| 00:00.39 | abrotman | Craphter: no, it refers to your computer being a server to handle print jobs |
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| 00:01.12 | Craphter | Ok thanks |
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| 00:03.03 | awc737 | Why does my Debian Wireless say Unmanaged? |
| 00:03.42 | awc737 | and I don't see any of my networks |
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| 00:04.43 | xreyuk | abrotman: I forgot to ask |
| 00:04.51 | xreyuk | The package I was originally trying to install, am I okay to install that now? |
| 00:06.52 | xsappyx | awc737: did you mess around in your interfaces file? |
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| 00:07.43 | abrotman | xreyuk: whichpackage was that? probably |
| 00:07.50 | xreyuk | forked-daapd |
| 00:07.50 | awc737 | xsappyx i Haven't touched anything yet, it was fine yesterday |
| 00:08.37 | xsappyx | awc737: ok.. nothing changed at all? just doesn't work now? |
| 00:08.49 | abrotman | xreyuk: give it a whirl |
| 00:09.07 | xreyuk | cheers, it's working, just wanted to check it would be okay to install. |
| 00:09.09 | awc737 | right, I've never seen it say unmanaged |
| 00:09.14 | awc737 | well, my location changed |
| 00:09.21 | awc737 | I am at work now, not at home, but it should still show me networks |
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| 00:12.03 | awc737 | any suggestions? |
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| 00:12.54 | awc737 | I've modified my /etc/network/interfaces to be: http://paste.laravel.com/g2J |
| 00:13.24 | awc737 | wait dhcp said unable to obtain a lease |
| 00:13.41 | awc737 | so i have iface wlan0 inet manual |
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| 00:14.46 | awc737 | when I type iwlist scan, I see a list of all the networks |
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| 00:14.50 | awc737 | so I know it's working |
| 00:14.59 | awc737 | but up in Network Manager, I don't have the list, it just says "Unmanaged" |
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| 00:15.26 | cusco | hi |
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| 00:15.46 | cusco | how would i cross compile a .c file to x86, running on a amd64 arch |
| 00:15.46 | cusco | ? |
| 00:15.49 | cusco | architecture |
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| 00:19.27 | Viking667 | oops. It seems I missed this. |
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| 00:20.29 | ksdncv | cusco -m32 |
| 00:21.02 | ksdncv | you need multilib binutils and gcc installed tho |
| 00:21.57 | ksdncv | or may be not |
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| 00:22.26 | ksdncv | currently have only gcc multilib here and seems to work |
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| 00:34.25 | adh0c | How can I verify that awstats.pl is configured with a site? |
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| 00:45.46 | macaroni | I did a minimal install on my netbook from a thumbdrive, and built a fluxbox desktop up. Everything is working properly, except that in a terminal and at the command line the word "<live>" is always before my user name, i cant seem to find the variable or conf file where this is stored. Its not hurting anything just annoying that i cant find it. Any ideas? |
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| 00:46.15 | abrotman | macaroni: what's in /etc/passwd ? |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | macaroni: maybe show us in a pastebin ? |
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| 00:47.16 | macaroni | sorry im on a different pc |
| 00:47.37 | macaroni | thought maybe someone would know off the top of their head |
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| 00:48.31 | jeeves_moss | how do I allow everyone read access to a file? I'm trying to get www-data to be able to ONLY READ a log file, and I've tried chmod 755 on the file, but when I su to the ww-data user, I can't access it |
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| 00:49.01 | sviz | missing a w ;) |
| 00:49.19 | abrotman | macaroni: i can tihnk of a few things, but it'd be easier if you could look |
| 00:49.37 | macaroni | sure brb |
| 00:49.45 | jeeves_moss | sviz, was that to me? |
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| 00:50.07 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: did you miss the directory? |
| 00:50.35 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, I only want to allow the www-data user to read the /var/log/freeradius/radius.log file |
| 00:50.46 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: and? |
| 00:51.13 | meshuggah | hello, i am not sure it is the good place to ask, but as i am using debian i will ask here, can i convert my GPT hd (7 primary partitions ) back into MBR without losing anything and how, if u just can point me to a nice tutorial it would be great |
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| 00:51.18 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, when I did a "chmod 755" on radius.log and switched the user to the www-data user, I get a "premission denied" from the CLI |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | when you do what? |
| 00:51.39 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: what about the directory? |
| 00:51.47 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, and the premissions are as follows "-rwxr--r-- 1 freerad freerad 5051 Jan 26 22:13 radius.log" |
| 00:52.19 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, I don't want the www-data user to have any other premissions in the directory. just to that file |
| 00:53.34 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, sorry, that "chmod 744" |
| 00:54.16 | dvs | jeeves_moss: Well, it should be 644 because you don't want to execute the file. |
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| 00:54.51 | jeeves_moss | dvs, that's true. what I don't understand is when I do "su www-data", then do a "cat /var/log/freeradius/radius.log", I get the premission denied |
| 00:57.43 | dvs | jeeves_moss: Like abrotman said, the only thing I can think of is the permissions on the /var/log/freeradius directory. |
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| 01:01.08 | macaroni | abrotman: im looking at the /etc/passwd file on the other machine, it doesnt have an irc client installed, what entry am i looking for? |
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| 01:02.44 | abrotman | macaroni: the one for UID ? |
| 01:03.12 | jeeves_moss | dvs, I've tried that as well. no dice |
| 01:04.43 | macaroni | abrotman: closest thing i have in the list is a libuuid |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | macaroni: look for the PS1 defintion |
| 01:06.21 | macaroni | yeah i already tried changing the PS1 def, it reverted immediately |
| 01:07.10 | abrotman | it? |
| 01:07.23 | Tramp | PS1 set in PROMPT_COMMAND |
| 01:08.28 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, even when I chown the file www-data can't read it!!! I don't get it |
| 01:08.35 | macaroni | when i echo $PS1 i see the (live) text in the string, when i alter the PS1 variable, the PS1 variable reverts immediately to the string with the (live) text again |
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| 01:09.01 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: did you set the directory yet? |
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| 01:17.50 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, yes. I did the directory AND the file |
| 01:18.22 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, AND I tried to chown the file to the www-data user |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: use a pastebin to show us |
| 01:19.20 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, command you'd like run? |
| 01:19.43 | tharkun | jeeves_moss: is your http server running chrooted? |
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| 01:20.07 | jeeves_moss | tharkun, not that I'm aware of. it was installed via apt-get |
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| 01:21.07 | tharkun | for httpd to read files on different directories you need to tell it on the config file. Sometimes it is indeed easier to read some file by doing a soft link to the actual data directorie of the httpd server. |
| 01:21.32 | jeeves_moss | tharkun, ok, I'll try making a softlink in the /var/www/ directory first |
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| 01:23.00 | tharkun | Since this is a log file you can have an isue when it rotates. You will have to check how stuff works there. Please remember that log files are handled by rsyslog. If you screw them or your script screws them you will have rsyslog stop on you. |
| 01:23.11 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: pastebin please |
| 01:23.43 | tharkun | jeeves_moss: and as abrotman just stated a pastebin with actual facts on what is wrong is allways a good way to ask for help ;P |
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| 01:24.03 | tharkun | greets abrotman "Long Time no see me friend" |
| 01:24.03 | jeeves_moss | one sec |
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| 01:24.23 | abrotman | i've only asked .. four times |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | tharkun: hi |
| 01:24.46 | jeeves_moss | http://pastebin.com/hcb96ce3 |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | that's not useful |
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| 01:26.53 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, ok, what did you need? |
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| 01:28.23 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: something that shows all permissions in question and errors |
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| 01:29.05 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, what command would you like ran so I can get all the data you need? |
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| 01:29.43 | awc737 | woohooo I hacked facebook and its down |
| 01:29.53 | jeeves_moss | awc737, lol, yea right |
| 01:30.03 | awc737 | ok? see for yourself |
| 01:30.18 | jeeves_moss | awc737, works here |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | awc737: please make jokes elsewhere |
| 01:30.47 | awc737 | jeeves_moss, http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/facebook.com |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | awc737: stop already |
| 01:31.02 | jeeves_moss | awc737, you must have messed up your DNS or something |
| 01:31.19 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, anyways, what commands did you need to see to show you what you need? |
| 01:31.27 | awc737 | but then why would downforeveryoneorjustme say its also down? |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | awc737: STOP |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: i told you what i was looking for |
| 01:31.39 | awc737 | i'm honestly just asking now |
| 01:31.45 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, please retype |
| 01:31.49 | awc737 | i didn't hack it (duh) but it's down for me |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: scroll up |
| 01:32.30 | awc737 | why would downforeveryoneorjustme report it down, but it workes for jeeves_moss |
| 01:32.30 | themill | maybe you should shout "yippee! I'm free! and then go on and do something useful with your life |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | awc737: last warning |
| 01:32.51 | awc737 | jeeves_moss, its down, it must be your cache |
| 01:32.59 | awc737 | abrotman, i already admitted I didn't hack it |
| 01:33.00 | awc737 | i am just asking |
| 01:33.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 01:33.01 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@66-190-224-247.dhcp.klfl.or.charter.com] by abrotman |
| 01:33.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | awc737: this channel is for Debian support, not facebook support |
| 01:33.15 | Theoden | Thank you abrotman |
| 01:33.17 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, ok, I swithed to the www-data user, and I can't ls the directory |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: guess what .. i can't see it |
| 01:34.20 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, I know. I scrolled up and I can't see the command that you want ran to see what's going on. |
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| 01:37.07 | jeeves_ | abrotman, ok, I'm back. damn connection |
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| 01:41.52 | Master | hi |
| 01:42.33 | Master | i'm a noob and i need help to choose my distro |
| 01:42.39 | Master | :) |
| 01:42.44 | dvs | sigh |
| 01:42.55 | blixten | we vote for debian |
| 01:43.04 | Reaction|uK | no, really? :) |
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| 01:43.30 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@66-190-224-247.dhcp.klfl.or.charter.com] by abrotman |
| 01:43.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | Master: We will tell you Debian, if you would like an impartial answer, try ##linux |
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| 01:44.37 | Cyclohexane | If I run the following commands on virtualbox http://pastebin.com/vBz2V3M8 am I correct in thinking 10.0.2.2 is my physical computer? |
| 01:45.28 | Master | which is the best distro for a 2 year gnu/linuxnoob just tried ubuntu,mint ,backtrack........? i want learn linux with it...Debian , Arch, Gentoo...? |
| 01:46.05 | Master | which of them is the best dist for me? |
| 01:46.12 | dvs | Master: try ##linux |
| 01:46.22 | fcwlxd | Master: All OK. |
| 01:46.47 | Reaction|uK | BT's not a great idea to 'learn linux' it's got specific uses, I'll say that much. |
| 01:46.57 | Master | tanx for this nice guide! |
| 01:47.00 | Master | :D |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | Master: please go ask ##linux |
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| 01:47.37 | Cyclohexane | Anyone? :p |
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| 01:48.07 | awc737 | hello |
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| 01:48.37 | awc737 | does wheezy come with all intel HD 4000 drivers out the box? |
| 01:48.45 | digitalice | hi! |
| 01:48.47 | awc737 | or should i need to apt-get anything |
| 01:49.41 | awc737 | my second monitor looks horrible, green and blue distortion static, with hd 4000 |
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| 01:51.41 | macaroni | finally http://pastebin.com/xWtb7FUW |
| 01:51.58 | digitalice | Got a problem over here! I'm in debian squeeze using gnome and sometimes my mouse does double click when I do a single click. I looked at Xorg log, and seems to be ok: http://pastebin.com/udthJtf9 . Any idea? :D |
| 01:51.59 | pseubodot | pokes abrotman |
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| 01:52.22 | abrotman | gives pseubodot a taco |
| 01:52.25 | pseubodot | mmm |
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| 01:53.30 | pseubodot | is there a debian equivalent to 'rpm -qa <package-name>' to see the state of files on-system compared to files in-package (eg. comparing md5 sums etc)? |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | pseubodot: debsums |
| 01:53.56 | abrotman | i think is what you're asking |
| 01:54.00 | pseubodot | looks |
| 01:55.03 | pseubodot | abrotman: looks like it. thanks! |
| 01:55.31 | abrotman | pseubodot: party on wayne! |
| 01:55.51 | pseubodot | abrotman: party on garth! |
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| 02:02.55 | Tramp | digitalice: my guess would be: faulty hardware |
| 02:04.15 | digitalice | Tramp: mmmmm, maybe ... another mouse that I had use to do that. Any idea if when a mouse breaks, it does double click? |
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| 02:04.40 | krisfremen | digitalice: depends on how you broke it :D |
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| 02:05.29 | Tramp | digitalice: it's a common problem. In german it's called "prallen" - don't know the english term. Maybe "bouncing". It's simply wear on the contacts, I think |
| 02:06.24 | digitalice | Tramp: genau :P |
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| 02:08.04 | Reaction|uK | I've had a mouse or two do that when it was time to bin them, had a triple clicking one once >.> |
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| 02:18.43 | meshuggah | i installed debian, but after a few days, i found out it would be better to put it all in a lvm, do i need to reinstall, or can i convert it? |
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| 02:31.39 | drAvanti | hello sirs |
| 02:31.55 | drAvanti | im back again |
| 02:32.00 | dvs | runs |
| 02:33.32 | drAvanti | suppose I want to download a file from the internet onto a remote server coz the connection is faster than my local, how do I do this, for ex: like a youtube video which I just do a rt-click save as if I were on the server itself |
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| 02:34.42 | dvs | drAvanti: ssh onto that server then download using, like, wget |
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| 02:35.18 | drAvanti | @dvs: yes, I have ssh onto the server already |
| 02:35.35 | drAvanti | I mean if I want to download from commandline instead of via the browser |
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| 02:36.44 | abrotman | wget |
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| 02:37.23 | aimalk510 | hi guys |
| 02:37.27 | aimalk510 | new here |
| 02:37.36 | aimalk510 | love debian use it to run my webserver |
| 02:37.41 | dvs | haze him! |
| 02:37.57 | aimalk510 | but I have an issue with security any way to make sure its pretty secure |
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| 02:38.33 | abrotman | !tell aimalk510 about securing debian |
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| 02:39.19 | drAvanti | @abrotman: ok |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | drAvanti: this isn't twitter |
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| 02:59.00 | rombus1 | meshuggah |
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| 03:00.34 | rombus1 | 8 string guitars dude |
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| 03:17.47 | thieh | I need some help with konsole/bash -> I have installed wireless-tools to the latest version but konsole says iwconfig: command not found |
| 03:18.28 | fcwlxd | thieh: try with sudo or root. |
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| 03:18.40 | dvs | thieh: did you run it as root? |
| 03:19.18 | fcwlxd | thieh: yes.i think it in /sbin path as ifconfig. |
| 03:19.32 | thieh | ah... sudo iwconfig works. thanks (why would that shows command not found while others like apt-get shows some other things is beyond me) |
| 03:20.18 | fcwlxd | thieh: user couldnt user command in sbin. |
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| 03:22.46 | jinglejangle | Hello. I want to install Debian with XFCE on my netbook (lacking a cd rom). Can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 03:24.02 | jinglejangle | Can I just extract an image file from the top file on here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 03:24.12 | jinglejangle | and then put in on my flash drive and boot? |
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| 03:24.22 | abrotman | !tell jinglejangle about usb install |
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| 03:41.53 | dunkel2 | hello |
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| 04:13.34 | archl | hi, I m going to be blind with debian . |
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| 04:13.41 | archl | screen is flashing |
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| 04:14.52 | archl | any actions taken with X will cause this kind of trouble - it seems. |
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| 04:21.22 | Bsims | Well I am taking the sid plunge in my VM |
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| 04:23.15 | microcode | Bsims: no such plunge as far as I can tell |
| 04:23.21 | dunkel2 | hello, if I have a custom kernel, how can I use it with debian? |
| 04:23.29 | microcode | I've been running sid on this emac G4, and it's quite nice |
| 04:23.42 | microcode | dunkel2: what is it compiled for? |
| 04:23.46 | Bsims | microcode: yeah and its for a stupid reason... compiz is in stable and sid not testing |
| 04:23.47 | microcode | and have you tried just installing it? |
| 04:24.05 | dunkel2 | i want to use debian on an arm board, I already have the kernel (two files a BOOT.IN and a uImage) how can I put it on my installation? |
| 04:24.12 | Bsims | yeah sid is great untill there is a glibc new version out |
| 04:24.24 | microcode | dunkel2: was this kernel built for android? |
| 04:24.34 | dunkel2 | no |
| 04:25.01 | dunkel2 | I am following this steps |
| 04:25.01 | dunkel2 | http://arm.mini-box.com/index.php?title=Compiling_from_sources |
| 04:25.03 | microcode | what was it built for? |
| 04:25.05 | microcode | ahh |
| 04:25.08 | microcode | you have source? |
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| 04:25.22 | microcode | just compile it on debian |
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| 04:25.36 | microcode | if anything breaks, compare its config with debian's default config and fix discrepancies |
| 04:26.00 | microcode | everything should work quite finely and dandily |
| 04:26.06 | dunkel2 | so for example that says this: You can find a mini-box.com pre-patched 3.x kernel tree here |
| 04:26.13 | dunkel2 | i am downloading the tar file |
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| 04:26.30 | dunkel2 | i just need to do the "make" ? |
| 04:26.36 | microcode | they don't have it in a git repo? |
| 04:26.43 | microcode | what is this sketchy kernel distribution? |
| 04:26.51 | microcode | and why do you need it? |
| 04:27.11 | dunkel2 | its an arm development board |
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| 04:27.15 | dunkel2 | https://gitorious.org/picopc-kernel/kernel/commits/minibox-picopc-3.1 |
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| 04:29.02 | microcode | rather old kernel |
| 04:29.41 | microcode | dunkel2: clone the git repo or download the tarball |
| 04:29.43 | microcode | extract |
| 04:29.53 | microcode | make menuconfig to look over the config options |
| 04:30.03 | microcode | should work with debian |
| 04:30.11 | microcode | you may want to do make oldconfig |
| 04:30.17 | archl | booting into linux then all screen flashing |
| 04:30.19 | microcode | to pick up the debian config vars |
| 04:30.34 | archl | any advice to solve this problem? no problem in grub |
| 04:30.36 | microcode | archl: booting into which distribution of GNU/Linux? |
| 04:30.46 | archl | debian |
| 04:30.51 | microcode | and are you using proprietary drivers? |
| 04:31.00 | archl | wheezy just installed on intel |
| 04:31.00 | microcode | or have you not successfully booted the system before? |
| 04:31.22 | dunkel2 | let me try it microcode :D |
| 04:31.47 | archl | microcode: yes |
| 04:32.08 | archl | microcode: but I reformated all partition so it shall be fine. |
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| 04:33.00 | dunkel2 | i am now on chroot a debootstrap |
| 04:33.01 | microcode | you say it's flashing, can you switch into a TTY? |
| 04:33.03 | dunkel2 | and there is no git |
| 04:33.10 | dunkel2 | to clone the repo |
| 04:33.11 | microcode | (for archl ) |
| 04:33.30 | archl | microcode: same problem there |
| 04:33.59 | archl | its kind of X problem?/Driver bug? |
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| 04:34.57 | microcode | dunkel2 dunkel2: git clone git://gitorious.org/picopc-kernel/kernel.git |
| 04:35.04 | microcode | archl: are you capable of switching into a TTY? |
| 04:35.17 | microcode | if it's not possible to switch into a TTY, it's not an X problem |
| 04:35.20 | archl | microcode: ctrl+alt+F*? |
| 04:35.21 | dunkel2 | \u@\h:\w$ git clone git://gitorious.org/picopc-kernel/kernel.git |
| 04:35.21 | dunkel2 | /bin/sh: git: not found |
| 04:35.24 | microcode | archl: yes |
| 04:35.34 | microcode | dunkel2: what are you doing? |
| 04:35.37 | archl | microcode: screen flashing there |
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| 04:35.38 | microcode | right now |
| 04:35.50 | microcode | dunkel2: I suspect you built the kernel? |
| 04:35.58 | dunkel2 | i am on my armboard |
| 04:36.10 | dunkel2 | it has angstrom linux |
| 04:36.26 | microcode | ahh, install a toolchain to build the kernel, and git |
| 04:36.32 | microcode | tehn clone the git repository |
| 04:36.34 | Guest81894 | does KFreeBSD support atheros ar9285 wifi card? |
| 04:36.37 | microcode | s/tehn/then/ |
| 04:36.42 | dunkel2 | the steps made do this on a debian machine: debootstrap --arch=armel --foreign [stable|testing|unstable] <targetdirectory> |
| 04:36.58 | dunkel2 | then i chroot my usb |
| 04:37.04 | dunkel2 | in my arm baord |
| 04:37.08 | dunkel2 | then im trying to do that |
| 04:37.32 | dunkel2 | so I have to do allt his first? http://arm.mini-box.com/index.php?title=Installing_Toolchain |
| 04:37.44 | dunkel2 | the toolchain then the bootstrap and then building the kernel? |
| 04:37.47 | archl | microcode: i think i may have to upgrade to sid.. |
| 04:38.03 | microcode | dunkel2: you would do it in the chroot |
| 04:38.09 | microcode | you would bootstrap with the toolchain packages |
| 04:38.15 | Guest81894 | does anyone even know? |
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| 04:38.32 | dunkel2 | ok, at the end i will have a BOOT.IN and a uImage files? |
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| 04:40.04 | dunkel2 | microcode: what can I do if I dont have the git installed? looks like my chroot path doesnt have git |
| 04:41.04 | microcode | one sec, I'm not familiar with debootstrap, need to see if it supports adding additional packages at the bootstrap stage |
| 04:41.39 | microcode | ahh |
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| 04:41.53 | dunkel2 | when i try to use the apt-get install it says that it cant find the package |
| 04:41.55 | microcode | add --include=git,build-essential to your debootstrap line |
| 04:42.37 | microcode | I assume you have working networking in your chroot environment |
| 04:42.46 | dunkel2 | yes |
| 04:42.52 | dunkel2 | i can wget and ping google and stuff |
| 04:42.58 | dunkel2 | looks like i dont have sources |
| 04:43.00 | dunkel2 | for the apt-get |
| 04:43.45 | dunkel2 | how can I check that? |
| 04:44.13 | microcode | look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:44.15 | microcode | and check |
| 04:44.22 | microcode | if they're there, do an apt-get update |
| 04:44.32 | microcode | to get the manifest files |
| 04:44.38 | microcode | if that doesn't work, let me know |
| 04:44.56 | dunkel2 | is that a directory ? or a file? it that is a file, its empty |
| 04:45.09 | microcode | does the file exist ? |
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| 04:45.21 | microcode | do you have apt? |
| 04:45.29 | dunkel2 | yes it exists |
| 04:45.34 | dunkel2 | so is a sources.list.d |
| 04:45.40 | microcode | hmm? |
| 04:45.47 | microcode | hmm |
| 04:45.53 | microcode | I'm on debian unstable right now |
| 04:45.56 | microcode | let me check testing... |
| 04:45.57 | dunkel2 | apt 0.8.10.3 for armel compiled on Apr 15 2011 21:19:53 |
| 04:46.14 | dunkel2 | i did the debootstrap with the debian 7 |
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| 04:46.25 | microcode | weird |
| 04:46.39 | microcode | ahh |
| 04:46.40 | microcode | I see |
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| 04:46.51 | microcode | sources.list is where your sources lines are supposed to be |
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| 04:47.07 | dunkel2 | then i need to add my sources |
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| 04:47.29 | dunkel2 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 04:47.30 | microcode | my mirror is debian.mirror.iweb.ca, so my sources lines are deb http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ unstable main |
| 04:47.31 | dunkel2 | those? |
| 04:47.34 | microcode | deb http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ unstable main |
| 04:47.46 | microcode | whoopse |
| 04:47.52 | microcode | clipboard died |
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| 04:47.59 | microcode | shouldn't have added that patch |
| 04:48.02 | microcode | anyway |
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| 04:48.13 | dunkel2 | I have this on my desktop |
| 04:48.13 | microcode | dunkel2: just add normal sources to the sources.list I guess, and see if that works |
| 04:48.14 | dunkel2 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 04:48.14 | dunkel2 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 04:48.24 | dunkel2 | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 04:48.25 | dunkel2 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
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| 04:48.56 | microcode | dunkel2: those should work, chec 'em |
| 04:49.04 | dunkel2 | updating |
| 04:49.06 | dunkel2 | :D |
| 04:49.14 | dunkel2 | I really appreciate your help |
| 04:49.30 | microcode | no problem, I'm just an average debian user ;p |
| 04:49.38 | dunkel2 | ;D |
| 04:49.45 | microcode | I use it on my legacy machines and my servers |
| 04:49.53 | microcode | it serves me well |
| 04:50.23 | dunkel2 | its my first time on debian |
| 04:50.46 | dunkel2 | thats why i know almost nothing about this hehee and its more difficult because I want it on this development board |
| 04:50.56 | microcode | yeah |
| 04:51.10 | microcode | although you should be happy with how comparatively easy it is ;p |
| 04:51.38 | microcode | on a board like that, I would personally run arch |
| 04:52.52 | dunkel2 | yes well… i wanted arch too but there wasnt a tutorial for that :S |
| 04:53.03 | dunkel2 | i got at the end of the kernel the two files |
| 04:53.19 | dunkel2 | the boot.in and the uImage but then i dont know what to do with those files |
| 04:53.28 | microcode | haha |
| 04:53.28 | microcode | I see |
| 04:53.31 | microcode | \ |
| 04:53.59 | microcode | pico-SAM9G45 has an interesting form factor |
| 04:54.00 | dunkel2 | sorry for the noob question but, are those 2 files the kernel? |
| 04:54.22 | microcode | I'm not sure |
| 04:54.33 | microcode | I suspect they're specific to u-Boot |
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| 04:54.49 | microcode | although one of them may have a kernel image in it |
| 04:54.56 | dunkel2 | the building the kernel section says |
| 04:54.57 | dunkel2 | Required Packages |
| 04:54.58 | dunkel2 | build-essential -- GCC etc |
| 04:54.59 | dunkel2 | uboot-mkimage -- uboot's mkimage |
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| 04:55.08 | microcode | hah |
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| 04:55.15 | microcode | haha |
| 04:55.22 | dunkel2 | damns! |
| 04:55.23 | microcode | doesn't like it when you speak too quickly ;p |
| 04:55.24 | dunkel2 | damn! |
| 04:55.37 | microcode | you should add those two packages then |
| 04:55.51 | microcode | uImage is likely created at the end of the kernel build process for your specific case |
| 04:55.59 | dunkel2 | yes |
| 04:56.05 | microcode | boot.in is probably a config file |
| 04:56.08 | dunkel2 | but then the tutorial doesnt mention what to do |
| 04:56.12 | dunkel2 | with that |
| 04:56.22 | microcode | you put it where your bootloader expects it |
| 04:56.46 | dunkel2 | and where is it |
| 04:56.47 | dunkel2 | :S |
| 04:57.21 | dunkel2 | the uboot-mkimage whats that? |
| 04:57.34 | microcode | uboot-mkimage prabably compiles the uImage file |
| 04:57.46 | microcode | which is used to store the kernel binaries for uboot |
| 04:57.48 | microcode | your bootloader |
| 04:58.07 | microcode | take a look in /boot on your arm board |
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| 04:58.31 | dunkel2 | the angstrom part? or the /boot of the debain chroot? |
| 04:58.36 | microcode | angstrom |
| 04:58.55 | microcode | not sure how uboot handles boot files |
| 04:59.06 | microcode | but I'd be willing to say there's a uImage file somewhere in there |
| 04:59.11 | dunkel2 | uImage uImage-2.6.32.9 |
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| 04:59.20 | microcode | ls -la that |
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| 04:59.32 | microcode | and uImage is probably a symlink to uImage 2.6.32 ? |
| 04:59.37 | dunkel2 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Oct 3 10:34 uImage -> uImage-2.6.32.9 |
| 04:59.38 | dunkel2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2347200 Sep 28 13:56 uImage-2.6.32.9 |
| 04:59.40 | microcode | yup |
| 05:00.01 | microcode | so basically, uboot follows the symlink on uImage, and that's the default uImage file for booting it up |
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| 05:00.13 | microcode | I suspect also that it'd allow you to select an alternative if it's in there |
| 05:00.38 | dunkel2 | and the boot.in |
| 05:00.55 | microcode | anyway |
| 05:01.00 | microcode | your uImage will go in /boot |
| 05:01.24 | microcode | as uImage-3.1 |
| 05:01.26 | microcode | or something |
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| 05:01.49 | microcode | and you will symlink uImage to uImage-3.1 |
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| 05:02.30 | microcode | dunkel2: make sense? |
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| 05:04.24 | dunkel2 | yes |
| 05:04.27 | dunkel2 | im installing the git |
| 05:04.32 | dunkel2 | now that i have the sources |
| 05:04.34 | dunkel2 | working :D |
| 05:04.40 | microcode | cool |
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| 05:05.17 | microcode | I'm busy getting systemd running exclusively on an eMac from 2003 running debian unstable :) |
| 05:05.21 | dunkel2 | i just dont know what to do with that BOOT.BIN |
| 05:05.28 | microcode | hmm? |
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| 05:05.46 | microcode | is there a boot.bin in your /boot directory on your angstrom install? |
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| 05:09.15 | dunkel2 | no |
| 05:09.26 | dunkel2 | and i did a find -name 'BOOT.BIN' |
| 05:09.29 | dunkel2 | and nothing appears |
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| 05:13.53 | LtL | dunkel2: try find / -iname 'boot.bin' |
| 05:14.41 | dunkel2 | /media/mmcblk0p1/BOOT.BIN |
| 05:15.22 | dunkel2 | there is one |
| 05:15.25 | dunkel2 | :O |
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| 05:25.17 | Monotoko | hey guys... not sure I'm in the right place, if not can you point me somewhere to help? I'm trying to take a backup of a few deb repos, they aren't mine but I suspect my mirrors will come in useful in the next couple of days |
| 05:25.32 | Monotoko | question I have... is how do I take a backup of an entire repo? |
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| 05:26.28 | Debsky | Hello. I am a gnu/linux casual user, and even though I'm not the most learned on programming, it seems to me that there is general agreement that a microkernal is superior to a macrokernal. Is it due to increased processing power, or security? |
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| 05:27.18 | zykotick9 | Monotoko: mirroring repos is a pretty big investment of space/bandwidth. personally i think apt-cacher style repos make more sense for individuals (locally mirror the packages you actually use, rather then everything) |
| 05:27.40 | Debsky | So to me it is almost a logical thing for emphasis to be placed on the development on the hurd microkernal. |
| 05:28.00 | geggam | troll much Debsky ? |
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| 05:32.52 | Monotoko | zykotick9, it will only be up for a week or so... just as an overflow |
| 05:33.16 | Monotoko | (the iPhone 5 jailbreak is coming soon, and the official repos are going to be hit so hard) |
| 05:34.20 | geggam | how does the US law impact that jailbreak repo ? ... if at all ? |
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| 05:34.56 | Monotoko | geggam, not quite sure... I'm from the UK :P |
| 05:35.38 | geggam | well... here in the land of the "free" i cant get a phone worth a damn |
| 05:35.40 | gnarface | Debsky: this is a support channel. bring you hyperbolic fishing expedition to #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:40.02 | gnarface | i believe we support Hurd ostensibly though... |
| 05:40.03 | gnarface | !hurd |
| 05:40.04 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not officially released), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:40.08 | gnarface | i could be wrong |
| 05:41.07 | gnarface | there are a lot of good legal reasons to consider switching to Hurd, and logistical reasons tangential to that, but currently there are very few practical reasons to switch to it unless you're actually developing for it. |
| 05:42.13 | gnarface | some day long long after Linus is dead, its possible that Linux quality and freedom will begin to suffer. at that point we'll still have Hurd. |
| 05:42.25 | gnarface | (hopefully by then it will also be ready) |
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| 05:44.50 | Arrowmaster | its older than linux, and it looks like we cant joke that it will be ready when steam comes to linux now so maybe it will be ready when open source graphics drivers give better 3d performance than closed source ones |
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| 05:46.14 | gnarface | as for the thing about microkernels vs macrokernels, well... that's a complete straw man argument. see Mac OS X for a great example of why the microkernel myth is just that - a myth (OS X suffers about a 10% drop in I/O highspeed throughput on equivalent hardware to Linux) |
| 05:47.05 | gnarface | really unacceptable if you're doing performance critical disc access (like streaming video/production) |
| 05:47.17 | gnarface | but i digress |
| 05:47.19 | gnarface | way off topic |
| 05:47.35 | gnarface | appropriate questions would be "how to i install hurd?" |
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| 05:47.46 | telx85 | hi guys |
| 05:47.55 | telx85 | anyone able to help me out please? |
| 05:48.11 | Arrowmaster | do you need help installing hurd? |
| 05:48.14 | gnarface | telx85: don't ask permission to ask. tell us the problem you're having |
| 05:48.41 | telx85 | ok I'm trying to install openchange, sogo, samba4 bundle |
| 05:48.54 | telx85 | part of the tutorial asks for the following packages to be installed |
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| 05:49.02 | telx85 | apt-get install dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-dev dovecot-ldap |
| 05:49.11 | telx85 | however it can't find dovecot-ldap |
| 05:49.21 | Arrowmaster | ,v dovecot-ldap |
| 05:49.23 | judd | Package: dovecot-ldap on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:2.1.7-6; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-6 |
| 05:49.23 | telx85 | please be aware that this tutorial is for ubuntu |
| 05:49.32 | gnarface | telx85: chances are the tutorial is out-of-date or just wrong. show us the link to the tutorial... gack! |
| 05:49.38 | telx85 | ok |
| 05:49.45 | Arrowmaster | you must be on squeeze |
| 05:49.46 | telx85 | http://www.openchange.org/developers/backends/sogo/dovecot.html |
| 05:49.46 | gnarface | telx85: that was your first mistake; using a tutorial for the wrong distro |
| 05:49.51 | telx85 | i am on squeeze |
| 05:49.56 | telx85 | debian 64bit |
| 05:50.01 | telx85 | 6 squeeze |
| 05:50.12 | telx85 | latest apt-get update && apt-get ugprade |
| 05:50.14 | Arrowmaster | first step here is setting up backports |
| 05:50.18 | telx85 | ok |
| 05:50.51 | gnarface | telx85: if you type in this channel: /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:50.58 | gnarface | telx85: then the bot will tell you all about it |
| 05:51.49 | Arrowmaster | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ is what you want |
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| 05:53.17 | telx85 | thank you guys... |
| 05:53.25 | telx85 | one other question though: |
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| 05:53.53 | telx85 | I tried to install dovecot-core.deb with dpkg -i <filename>.deb |
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| 05:54.10 | telx85 | now any apt-get install fails with unmet dependencies |
| 05:54.19 | telx85 | how can I purge that? |
| 05:54.22 | telx85 | or clean? |
| 05:54.27 | gnarface | telx85: dpkg --purge [package name] |
| 05:54.35 | gnarface | telx85: or apt-get --purge remove [package name] |
| 05:55.21 | gnarface | telx85: (in general you want to avoid mixing packages from other distros or even other versions of debian into your install, even if it appears to work initially, because it causes these types of chain dependency breaks in your package tree) |
| 05:55.40 | telx85 | understood |
| 05:55.52 | telx85 | thank you... I will attempt to correct my blunder :) |
| 05:55.59 | gnarface | good luck! |
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| 05:57.36 | telx85 | ok no luck |
| 05:57.39 | telx85 | this is what I do |
| 05:57.55 | telx85 | root@server2:/tmp# apt-get install dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-dev dovecot-ldap |
| 05:57.57 | telx85 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 05:57.58 | telx85 | Building dependency tree |
| 05:58.00 | telx85 | Reading state information... Done |
| 05:58.01 | telx85 | dovecot-ldap is already the newest version. |
| 05:58.03 | telx85 | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 05:58.04 | telx85 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:58.06 | telx85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.07 | telx85 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 05:58.29 | telx85 | but a purge results in dpkg saying its not installed |
| 05:58.34 | telx85 | which makes sence |
| 05:58.36 | telx85 | *sense |
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| 05:59.19 | rwp | telx85, Your /etc/apt/sources.list file is probably pointing to the wrong place. Fix it and then 'apt-get update'. |
| 06:00.45 | telx85 | while that is possible I don't think so... I copied it direct from the website of debian official |
| 06:00.50 | telx85 | anyway here it is http://paste.debian.net/229951/ |
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| 06:02.19 | gnarface | telx85: i'm suspecting you still have some packages yet to be purged, but it would help if you had debian-specific documentation to start with |
| 06:02.50 | telx85 | i totally agree... however they haven't been able to help me with that as they use ubuntu and fedora |
| 06:03.27 | telx85 | what I would like is to make a tutorial for them, another guy is making a complete install script for the whole process but is stuck here too. |
| 06:03.49 | gnarface | telx85: also, generally contrib relies on non-free; you should include both or neither. starting with one in and then removing it while you still have packages installed from there that rely on packages in main that you have installed legitimately is a common cause for this type of problem as well |
| 06:05.08 | rwp | telx85, "dovecot-ldap : Depends: dovecot-core (= 1:2.1.7-6)" means that you have Testing Wheezy on your system. But your sources.list pastebin showed only Stable Squeeze. |
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| 06:06.12 | gnarface | telx85: yea, what rwp said. :-/ mixing wheezy with your squeeze system is equally as dangerous as mixing ubuntu with it |
| 06:06.50 | rwp | telx85, I agree with gnarface. Look for dovecot packages installed on your system that are beyond Squeeze. I would remove them. |
| 06:06.50 | gnarface | telx85: if you had started from a fresh squeeze install and just tried installing directly from backports you might have succeeded on the first try. you have sortof painted yourself into a far corner now though. |
| 06:07.11 | telx85 | lol |
| 06:07.14 | telx85 | thats just great |
| 06:07.39 | telx85 | I started this from a fresh install didn't touch anything in sources.list except to turn of the DVD request |
| 06:07.50 | rwp | telx85, I would also look at "apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate" and see what it says. If you see "newer than version in archive" then need to examine those. Probably remove them and re-install the Stable versions. |
| 06:08.28 | rwp | Probably need to install apt-show-versions since it is a supplemental package. |
| 06:09.05 | telx85 | lol I can't because it keeps coming up with dependencies of the dovecot-core |
| 06:09.17 | telx85 | have a bricked it? |
| 06:09.24 | gnarface | telx85: no, not necessarily. |
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| 06:10.00 | gnarface | telx85: but you will have to follow probably a long chain of "oh, so i can't remove Y because it depends on X, ok so i'll remove X first... oh, but i can't remove X because it depends on Z... ok then i'll remove Z first instead.... etc etc) |
| 06:10.21 | rwp | Can always be saved. But is tedious to describe if you are not familiar. |
| 06:10.35 | rwp | But understanding what packages are causing the problems is the first step. |
| 06:10.54 | gnarface | telx85: eventually you'll climb up the tree to the problem package, probably something you downloaded and installed with dpkg -i naively, or got from the ubuntu repo or something... |
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| 06:11.27 | telx85 | ok I used aptitude instead and it removed the problem - its was dovecot-ldap (weird because thats what I'm trying to install) |
| 06:11.35 | gnarface | telx85: but i won't lie to you. its entirely possible based on no specifics i'm aware of about your system that it would be faster now to just start a fresh install over; especially if you have a local apt proxy or repo, or a really fast net connection and a small install |
| 06:11.51 | telx85 | after that I installed apt-get install apt-show-versions |
| 06:11.55 | telx85 | it worked |
| 06:12.09 | gnarface | telx85: oh good, that's good news. yes the point of aptitude is that its supposed to be smarter about recovering intelligently |
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| 06:12.11 | telx85 | running apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate comes up with nothing |
| 06:12.17 | Craphter | babilen: It worked. :') |
| 06:12.20 | telx85 | :) |
| 06:12.24 | telx85 | its a good day |
| 06:12.32 | telx85 | but the issue remains |
| 06:12.41 | rwp | Everything is up to date? But that is in conflict with your previous data about dovecot-ldap. |
| 06:12.44 | telx85 | root@server2:/tmp# apt-get install dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-dev dovecot-ldap |
| 06:12.46 | telx85 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 06:12.48 | telx85 | Building dependency tree |
| 06:12.49 | telx85 | Reading state information... Done |
| 06:12.51 | telx85 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 06:12.52 | telx85 | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 06:12.54 | telx85 | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 06:12.55 | telx85 | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 06:12.57 | telx85 | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 06:12.58 | telx85 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:13.00 | telx85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.01 | telx85 | E: Broken packages |
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| 06:13.14 | gnarface | telx85: please use paste.debian.net from now on |
| 06:13.21 | telx85 | ok |
| 06:13.37 | rwp | Different data this time since last time. Version now is 1:2.1.7-2~bpo60+1 from backports. Was 1:2.1.7-6 from testing. So definitely sources.list was changed. |
| 06:13.46 | rwp | Have you updated? apt-get update |
| 06:13.49 | telx85 | yes |
| 06:13.52 | telx85 | twice |
| 06:13.55 | telx85 | to make sure |
| 06:14.08 | rwp | :-) Once should be sufficient. But doesn't hurt to do it more often. |
| 06:14.24 | telx85 | if I include dovecot-core it complains that it will break dovecot-common |
| 06:15.06 | gnarface | telx85: chances are if you install one dovecot package from backports, all of them must also come from backports |
| 06:15.10 | rwp | I just tested this on a stable machine with backports added and it worked okay for me. |
| 06:15.24 | gnarface | telx85: that suggests you still have wheezy packages in there or something |
| 06:15.27 | rwp | Yes definitely. Because of the hard (= version) dependencies. |
| 06:15.35 | rwp | apt-get -s install -t squeeze-backports dovecot-ldap |
| 06:15.54 | rwp | Well... -s for simulate dry-run for testing. Remove to fire for effect. |
| 06:15.56 | telx85 | ok how is that possible? and where can I look to confirm this |
| 06:16.30 | gnarface | telx85: it should tell you the version for dovecot-common it claims will break. it should be fairly evident by asking the judd bot in channel whether that package version is from wheezy or not |
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| 06:17.08 | gnarface | telx85: its probably easier just to purge it first and reinstall it from backports now that you've got them enabled |
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| 06:17.18 | telx85 | dovecot-core : Breaks: dovecot-common (< 1:2.0.14-2~) |
| 06:17.27 | rwp | gnarface, Please tell me about "judd bot"? Sounds useful and interesting. |
| 06:17.42 | gnarface | !judd |
| 06:17.43 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
| 06:18.07 | gnarface | rwp: just: /msg judd v [package name] |
| 06:19.23 | rwp | gnarface, Cute! I would typically use either apt-cache policy or the packages.debian.org web site. |
| 06:19.41 | gnarface | rwp: i am lazy. i make robots do my dirty work whenever possible |
| 06:19.47 | telx85 | ok how do i purge my system? |
| 06:20.01 | telx85 | technically no dovecot packages should be installed |
| 06:20.11 | gnarface | telx85: just start by purging that one package. it would help if you were honest with us about where it really came from. |
| 06:20.12 | rwp | telx85, When you go to install from backports are you adding the -t squeeze-backports option? |
| 06:20.52 | telx85 | gnarface: I am honest, but I don't understand what you mean by "where it came from"?? |
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| 06:21.15 | telx85 | rwp: no i'm not, so backports require that option after apt-get |
| 06:21.34 | rwp | telx85, Yes. As documented. That will certainly be the root of the problem. |
| 06:21.45 | telx85 | I will give it a try |
| 06:21.57 | rwp | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 06:22.28 | telx85 | ok no difference... |
| 06:22.52 | telx85 | I have to go visit a client, thanks for the help, I will be back later. |
| 06:23.46 | rwp | Here is a good trace from my machine: http://paste.debian.net/229953/ |
| 06:24.00 | gnarface | telx85: what i mean is that version number isn't listed in any version of debian the judd bot just told me. this suggests you started from a debian install that was EONS out-of-date and failed (tragic error in judgment) to properly bring it fully up-to-date before installing anything else *or* you got packages from a non-official source |
| 06:24.36 | gnarface | telx85: or some other similar mess-up |
| 06:24.52 | gnarface | telx85: its nothing to be ashamed of. it happens to the best of us when we don't know the rules yet |
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| 06:31.16 | gnarface | sighs |
| 06:31.35 | gnarface | would save them all from themselves if he could, but only ever gets asked *after* its too late... |
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| 06:32.09 | Lis | what is the best way to run 32bit software on a 64bit system? |
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| 06:34.07 | gnarface | Lis: if you're not using an Itanium chip, that should work natively without extra hassle. note that though if your question is actually "how to run 32-bit OPENGL SOFTWARE" on a 64-bit system the most common fuck-up is forgetting that nvidia's 32-bit and 64-bit opengl libraries must *both* be installed for that to happen, and we all know you're now using wine to play video games (because that's 99% of people who care about this m |
| 06:34.07 | gnarface | inor packaging snafu) |
| 06:34.31 | gnarface | Lis: but don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that to judge you, i'm just saying it to warn you there will be open prejudice from non-gamers for a wine-only agenda |
| 06:35.21 | gnarface | Lis: if i assume correctly and you're trying to play WoW or Starcraft in wine or the like, you just need to say "yes" to the "install 32-bit opengl compatibility drivers?" option next time you install your nvidia card's drivers |
| 06:36.17 | Lis | gnarface, i did install that libraries i do not want to play wow i just want to test out the new steam beta for linux |
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| 06:37.18 | Lis | gnarface, i installed the package with dpgk -i --force-architecture now i get complaints about missing x11 libraries |
| 06:37.32 | gnarface | Lis: like i said, i'm not judging. in theory, if you've got those 32-bit compat libraries installed, everything should work. steam beta is kindof still a hack to get it installed in debian though. i think it relies on components from experimental. |
| 06:37.33 | Lis | how do i install the 32bit versions of the x11 libs? |
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| 06:38.29 | gnarface | Lis: are you on wheezy or sid and you have multi-arch enabled? |
| 06:40.37 | gnarface | Lis: if so, it should be the same as installing the 64-bit version but with :i386 after the package name. if you use the packaged nvidia drivers they would in theory pull in all the related dependencies |
| 06:42.08 | rwp | gnarface, (reacting to your sigh) Yes. And it is frustrating when these things are simple things and work for us but to see other people struggle with them so much. |
| 06:42.31 | Lis | gnarface, ok i just found the documentation for multiarch and read it |
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| 06:43.23 | gnarface | Lis: chances are if you had not explicitly enabled i386 as an arch, it was not on by default and then skipped pulling in relevant i386 dependencies automatically, its as simple as installing whatever it complains about manually |
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| 06:43.36 | c0rnel | hello all |
| 06:43.54 | c0rnel | who is the creator of wpa_supplicant |
| 06:43.55 | c0rnel | ? |
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| 06:44.35 | Lis | man wpa_supplicant and scroll to the bottom |
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| 06:48.30 | c0rnel | Lis, thank you, is not there, but it's written here: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/testing/i686/wpa_supplicant/ |
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| 07:14.42 | JNSamuel | wishes everyone a good night |
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| 07:39.32 | SimpleBlue | is there a ports-like system in debian that would allow compiling from a source tree like in bsd or gentoo? |
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| 07:42.00 | peterrooney | source code for each package is manageable with apt and friends |
| 07:42.16 | peterrooney | ,apt-src |
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| 07:43.17 | peterrooney | I use the apt-src package myself, other solutions are available. |
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| 07:44.56 | SimpleBlue | peterrooney, i've seen this way of doing it: apt-get -b source packagename .... but i'd prefer there be a tree and just issue a make command |
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| 07:58.08 | peterrooney | the man page for apt-src has this quickanddirty simple snippet: apt-src install foo ; cd foo-version ; patch <~/my-foo-patch ; apt-src build --installdebs foo |
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| 08:14.34 | bolt | any chance of fuse 2.9.2 making it into wheezy? this bug is pretty bad: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=29670048 |
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| 08:15.05 | bolt | encfs is unusable at high load |
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| 08:19.08 | ChrisH | ,v fuse |
| 08:19.09 | judd | Package: fuse on i386 -- wheezy: 2.9.0-2+deb7u1; sid: 2.9.2-3 |
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| 08:19.50 | ChrisH | bolt: did you check debian bug tracking? is there a Debian bug open? |
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| 08:22.16 | telx85 | gnarface: I'm back |
| 08:22.40 | telx85 | sorry I had to bail, but when clients call, I need to go :) |
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| 08:24.08 | bolt | ChrisH: i'll try and find out |
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| 08:25.52 | bolt | ChrisH: can't see any outstanding bugs that look related |
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| 08:27.56 | telx85 | gnarface: while I appreciate your help and I have no problem in accepting that I'm wrong or did something noobish everything you said is untrue. I DID use a Virtual Machine export that I just import and change to suit my new test environment. But I ALWAYS update to the latest. Even this time. Here is proof: http://paste.debian.net/229975/ |
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| 08:28.45 | bolt | installs reportbug |
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| 08:29.51 | ChrisH | bolt: that will increase the chance :) |
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| 08:33.14 | Leoneof | hello, i have only one resolution 1280x800 in the menu list for nvidia-setting, and same problem in the "Display and Monitor" for KDE, why? |
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| 08:36.05 | telx85 | gnarface: The only time sources.list was changed was to reflect the commenting out of DVD drive for sources. The next time I changed it was when asked to by this IRC to add another repository. Just saying... So either my method is flawed or there is something amiss... |
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| 08:37.10 | Leoneof | anybody? |
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| 08:48.40 | victrons | how to set full permission for some directory and all recursive files and directories ? |
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| 08:49.02 | wols | Leoneof: check your Xorg.0.log why there are no more |
| 08:49.09 | wols | probably a EDID problem |
| 08:49.18 | wols | !tell victrons about permissions |
| 08:49.56 | victrons | I already know that |
| 08:49.59 | Leoneof | wols: but why i haven't seen this problem before? it's fresh installation. |
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| 08:50.26 | victrons | wols: I'm looking for something practical than chmod |
| 08:51.07 | wols | victrons: english please |
| 08:51.07 | victrons | I don't wanna set permissions manually for all files I need |
| 08:51.27 | jelly-home | victrons: why would you set them manually? |
| 08:51.38 | wols | you can easily set permissions with chmod for everything and its children |
| 08:51.41 | victrons | cz there are lot of files who need |
| 08:51.54 | wols | wildcards are a wonderful thing |
| 08:52.23 | jelly-home | victrons: I mean, why not use chmod's recursive option and add needed permissions with symbolic syntax? |
| 08:52.59 | victrons | jelly-home: give me a sample of this usage? |
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| 08:53.34 | Leoneof | wols: i see "27.661] (--) RandR disabled" this is a problem? |
| 08:53.49 | wols | Leoneof: you use nvidia, so no |
| 08:53.50 | victrons | jelly-home: just -R ? |
| 08:53.59 | bolt | To request fuse 2.9.2 in wheezy, or to at least patch the 2.9.0 version with the commit by "Miklos Szeredi" on 2012-08-14, do I file a bug against fuse 2.9.0? 2.9.2? something else? |
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| 08:54.39 | wols | bolt: wishlist feature bugs at this point in time won't get in |
| 08:54.39 | Leoneof | wols: yes nvidia |
| 08:54.46 | jelly-home | victrons: to enable recursion yes, but read "info coreutils chmod" and "info coreutils 'Symbolic Modes'" |
| 08:55.22 | victrons | thx friend jelly-home |
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| 08:56.21 | Leoneof | wols: i see alot of lines like this "(**) NVIDIA(0): Using HorizSync/VertRefresh ranges from the EDID for display device cPATH (DFP-0) (Using EDID frequencies has been enabled on all display devices.)" |
| 08:56.26 | bolt | wols: it makes encfs crash under heavy io load on wheezy. it made encfs unusable for me. had to backport fuse 2.9.2 to fix it. |
| 08:56.58 | jelly-home | victrons: eg. to give everything under foo/ directory read permissions for everyone, chmod -R ugo+r foo |
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| 08:58.24 | wols | Leoneof: it typically tells you which resolutions it allows and which not, and why not |
| 08:58.34 | victrons | jelly-home: thank you very much |
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| 08:58.52 | Leoneof | wols: do you want xorg.log? |
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| 08:59.26 | bolt | wols: basically, this happens: http://code.google.com/p/encfs/issues/detail?id=146 (not my post, but same issue) |
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| 09:00.16 | bolt | wols: the patch mentioned in that thread is the one that got into fuse 2.9.2 on the commit i mentioned |
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| 09:01.10 | _martin | greetings, I can reach my NAS from the local area network, but the nas did not got internet. when executing apt-get update i get Could not resolve 'archive.debian.org' |
| 09:01.10 | _martin | But my PC in the lan got internet |
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| 09:01.52 | wols | _martin: fix your DNS resolver then |
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| 09:03.16 | bolt | wols: so should i submit a bug against 2.9.0? 2.9.2? elsewhere? or just shut up, use 2.9.2 on wheezy and move along? |
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| 09:06.16 | ChrisH | _martin: does your NAS run debian? If yes, please pastebin to paste.debian.net the following commands output: netstat -rn; nslookup www.debian.net 8.8.8.8 ; ifconfig -a |
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| 09:26.48 | buscon | hi |
| 09:26.58 | buscon | I have a new external monitor for my laptop |
| 09:27.07 | buscon | and the monitor is slightly flickering |
| 09:27.35 | buscon | the monitor is ok, so i'm trying to understand what can be the problem |
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| 09:27.54 | buscon | any ideas? |
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| 09:28.31 | c0rnel | refresh rate? |
| 09:28.37 | bolt | buscon: VGA? |
| 09:28.51 | buscon | bolt, yes, it's VGA |
| 09:29.07 | bolt | buscon: use DVI. with a HDMI->DVI connector if necessary |
| 09:29.17 | bolt | buscon: also avoid upscaling. run correct resolution |
| 09:29.19 | buscon | c0rnel, maybe, I set up the monitor in gnome, how can I change the refresh rate? |
| 09:29.31 | buscon | bolt, my laptop has just VGA |
| 09:29.51 | tralala | buscon, the monitor properties of gnome allow you to select refresh rate |
| 09:29.53 | buscon | and yes, resolution looks good :) |
| 09:30.10 | bolt | it looks good, or it's correct for the monitor? |
| 09:30.15 | tralala | use the native resolution and refresh rate of the display |
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| 09:30.39 | buscon | bolt, ok, i'll look for the correct one |
| 09:30.48 | buscon | tralala, I have no refresh rate options... |
| 09:31.20 | bolt | To request fuse 2.9.2 in wheezy, or to at least patch the 2.9.0 version with the commit by "Miklos Szeredi" on 2012-08-14, do I file a bug against fuse 2.9.0? 2.9.2? something else? |
| 09:31.41 | tralala | buscon, could you post a screenshot somewhere? |
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| 09:32.14 | tralala | bolt, a wishlist bug against the source package |
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| 09:33.00 | bolt | why is something that breaks encfs on load just wishlist? |
| 09:33.01 | tralala | however there isn't much of a chance for wheezy |
| 09:33.17 | buscon | tralala, ok, I will, resolution is the right one |
| 09:34.53 | tralala | bolt, I assumed you simply wanted a newer version packaged. If the bug is serious, select the appropriate severity. Still unless it's RC I don't think it will be fixed for wheezy. |
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| 09:35.38 | bolt | tralala: so i file an important, or something, bug against the fuse source package in wheezy? |
| 09:35.44 | buscon | tralala, here http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2013-01-29_10_34_59-dwzETy30.png |
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| 09:36.15 | tralala | bolt, no, against the version that has the bug. Let the maintainer find the appropriate way of fixing the bug. |
| 09:36.23 | bolt | tralala: the issue is encfs crashes under heavy load, leaving you with a message saying "transport endpoint is not connected" on most requests |
| 09:36.37 | bolt | tralala: alright. thanks. |
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| 09:38.06 | tralala | buscon, hmm, gnome3... try xrandr -q from a terminal |
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| 09:39.27 | buscon | tralala, ok, how can I change the refresh rate? |
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| 09:39.39 | tralala | buscon, what is the current one? |
| 09:40.04 | buscon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.11 | buscon | resolution is correct |
| 09:40.34 | tralala | refresh rate is 60Hz which is correct too |
| 09:41.04 | buscon | ok |
| 09:41.05 | tralala | perhaps it's a hardware issue, try the display on another computer |
| 09:41.26 | buscon | i did, and it looks good there... |
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| 09:43.09 | tralala | then it must be the laptop's fault, either the resolution is too high or there's something wrong with the video card |
| 09:43.14 | eni23 | hello at all. does someone know how to use an playstation3-controller in debian. im running squeeze with backports. |
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| 09:54.42 | milligan | How can I request a new IP on IPv6? I want to test if I have managed to configure my gateway correctly. |
| 09:54.44 | colo-work | how's Intel Ivy Bridge integrated graphics performing on wheezy? |
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| 10:08.47 | babilen | milligan: You could run "dhclient [-6] IFACE" with IFACE being the interface in question ... |
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| 10:11.11 | tdn | In RedHat I can install both a 64 bit and 32 bit version of a RPM pacakge on the same system. Is this possible on Debian? |
| 10:11.37 | tdn | What is the equivalent Debian package to Redhat's libXp? http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libXp |
| 10:11.44 | tdn | X.Org X11 libXp runtime library |
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| 10:16.53 | babilen | tdn: That feature is called multiarch and is supported since wheezy (the currently frozen testing) and you can read about it on: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO (and http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch) |
| 10:17.07 | tdn | Ok. |
| 10:17.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell tdn -about search |
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| 10:17.42 | tdn | babilen, I have tried searching for libXp. That is why I was asking. |
| 10:17.45 | tdn | I cannot find it. |
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| 10:18.48 | babilen | tdn: Any idea what is in it? You could then use apt-file to search for actual files. Debian does not necessarily use the same packages as RH to ship files. (heh, obvious really) :) |
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| 10:19.39 | tdn | It provides libXp.so.6 |
| 10:20.06 | blubberdiblub | the questions is more like what does the library do |
| 10:20.31 | TomyLaptop | sudo apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libXp.so.6 |
| 10:20.32 | blubberdiblub | anyway, try libxp6 |
| 10:20.33 | tdn | I just know that it is a pretty basic X.org runtime lib. |
| 10:20.48 | babilen | judd: file libxp.so |
| 10:20.53 | judd | Search for libxp.so in squeeze/i386: libxp-dev: usr/lib/libXp.so |
| 10:20.58 | ubd | is there an altenative to xorg? |
| 10:21.02 | babilen | tdn: There you go ^^^^ |
| 10:21.04 | tdn | So if Debian has a metapackage that will install requirements needed to be able to start X applications that run on a remote X server. That is what I need. |
| 10:21.18 | babilen | ubd: There is wayland, but it wasn't quite ready last time I checked |
| 10:21.25 | ubd | ty ill check it |
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| 10:22.15 | babilen | ubd: That is, however, not the package you need for what you intend to do. What was that though? Give me a second, it'll pop into my mind soon. |
| 10:22.53 | tdn | Will installing the ia32-multiarch package get me a copy of all basic libraries in 32 bit versions? |
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| 10:23.39 | babilen | tdn: Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 10:24.16 | tdn | babilen, squeeze, or a newer if need be. |
| 10:24.31 | babilen | And I have never heard of ia32-multiarch. Where is that package from? (apt-cache policy ia32-multiarch → http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 10:25.25 | babilen | tdn: There are the ia32-* packages that provide some 32bit libraries and you can install whatever package you need in 32bit on amd64 on wheezy by using multiarch (cf. http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO) |
| 10:25.39 | tdn | babilen, maybe it was ia32-libraries or something. |
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| 10:25.41 | tdn | Will check. |
| 10:25.58 | tdn | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
| 10:26.11 | babilen | tdn: Yeah, there are ia32-* packages (cf. "aptitude search '~n^ia32'") |
| 10:26.16 | tdn | ia32-libs |
| 10:26.37 | babilen | The modern way to do it is to use Multiarch (for which you need wheezy though) |
| 10:26.58 | tdn | Ok. |
| 10:27.20 | sq9 | hi, i have a Debian 6 Server that is constantly losing it's time settings, i don't know the correct technical term for this, but heres what happens - suppose i set the correct time using ntpdate at 6am by 2pm the servers time would behind the correct time by ~3 hours |
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| 10:28.23 | TomyLaptop | tdn "Package names must only consist of lower case letters, digits (0-9), plus (+) or minus (-) signs, and periods (.)" |
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| 10:28.32 | TomyLaptop | for the next time you're searching for a package :) |
| 10:28.49 | tdn | TomyLaptop, ok. |
| 10:29.06 | ChrisH | sq9: setup a constant ntp do not use ntpdate now and then |
| 10:29.22 | babilen | !tell sq9 -about ntpdate |
| 10:29.40 | sq9 | i have ntpd running on the machine, even without ntpd shouldn't the machine be able to keep its own time settings correct? It is a VM, the host machine's time settings are working fine. The time zone on the VM is set right. |
| 10:29.41 | babilen | sq9: Just use ntp in lieu of the unmaintained and obsolete ntpdate |
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| 10:30.07 | babilen | sq9: You /do not/ run NTP on VMs. The host machine provides the time and should run NTP. |
| 10:30.09 | sq9 | @babilen: do i need ntp for the server to be able to keep track of time? |
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| 10:30.29 | babilen | (and this isn't twitter, the @ is not needed :) |
| 10:30.37 | ChrisH | sq9: NO ntpd on VMs! Never |
| 10:30.51 | sq9 | babilen: ChrisH: ok :) |
| 10:30.56 | sq9 | i didn't know that |
| 10:31.08 | sq9 | but even without ntp the VM would keep slowing down |
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| 10:31.17 | sq9 | i mean the time on it would keep slowing down |
| 10:31.31 | babilen | Argh, what was the name of that package that you have to install to be able to install X using software on a remote server without installing a full-blown Xorg? |
| 10:31.36 | sq9 | running ntp hasn't fixed the issue |
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| 10:31.59 | babilen | sq9: Do you run NTP on the host? What do you use to virtualise? |
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| 10:32.11 | jelly | babilen: actually... ntpd can and does run quite well on ESX or vSphere |
| 10:32.28 | sq9 | babilen: this is just a test machine, the host is Win2k3, running Oracle VirtualBox |
| 10:32.33 | jelly | ChrisH, babilen: stop using inferior solutions! |
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| 10:33.10 | ChrisH | jelly: -v please |
| 10:33.17 | babilen | jelly: Ah, noted and could you elaborate? |
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| 10:34.12 | jelly | babilen: the vendor provides decent documentation to make ntp work well. |
| 10:34.52 | jelly | that's all there is to say, I don't have a link ready |
| 10:34.57 | sq9 | is it possible that the server could be having too much load, and thats causing it to lose sync on time? |
| 10:35.33 | colo-work | how's Intel Ivy Bridge integrated graphics performing on wheezy? |
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| 10:39.28 | babilen | colo-work: There are some bugs regarding it in the BTS, but IIRC you could simply use a newer kernel (3.7 from exp) to handle those. But check yourself! |
| 10:40.18 | colo-work | babilen, thanks, that's all I need to know to be comfortable enough to get one instead of Sandy Bridge :) |
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| 10:41.18 | ubd | i have a question about a rather unimportant issue: when i install debian, it detects my screen(tv) as 1920*1080, and i use a very nice "tty" terminal or what is it wcalled. on the next boot, it reverts to 800 600 i think and the tv scales it. do you know why does it happen |
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| 10:42.34 | babilen | colo-work: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686538 + http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689268 + ??? (search yourself) |
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| 10:49.06 | ledoktre | Using wheezy and setting up my desktop, and am trying to figure out how to have it boot straight into debian without showing the grub menu. Tried the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT option, but cant get it to work. Anyone know where to begin? Thanks... |
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| 11:02.36 | Knaldgas | Hmm, what would be the easy way to cronjob stuff (4 times per day), but only if the user is logged in at the time of execution? |
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| 11:04.50 | nkuttler | Knaldgas: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 11:06.30 | wols | bolt: wheezy is frozen, so you probably have to compile it yourself and use it |
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| 11:06.53 | wols | bolt: backport fuse 2.9.2 from sid |
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| 11:07.57 | ledoktre | anyone here know how to hide the grub2 menu when booting up? I can't seem to get GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to work |
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| 11:10.55 | Knaldgas | nkuttler: I want to bring up a weather forecast on my background, and the forecast is done at 00:10, 06:10, 12:10, 18:10 UTC, but I only want it executed when a specific user is logged in. |
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| 11:11.24 | Knaldgas | nkuttler: Actually when he logs in, the update would be needed too, but that's easy :) |
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| 11:13.37 | ChrisH | sq9: I mixed up two tings. VM and Solaris Zones. Inside VMs I do run ntpd and inside zones I cannot run them. |
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| 11:14.21 | ChrisH | sq9: So you have ntpd configured, it should create log entires. Can you show ntp.conf and ntpq -p output on paste.debian.net |
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| 11:16.26 | nkuttler | Knaldgas: you can use who |
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| 11:17.21 | Knaldgas | nkuttler: And then just cronjob a script that checks who? |
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| 11:17.31 | Knaldgas | before executing |
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| 11:28.38 | drAvanti | good day all, |
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| 11:30.14 | [z_z] | I changed my sources list and did an apt-get dist-upgrade. It looks like everything went through fine, with the exception of gedit. when i select open and browse for a file. I get strange colors and highlighting. any idea whats going on? |
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| 11:31.23 | babilen | "changed my sources.list" -- We need /much more precise/ information. Changed what to what? Did what afterwards? ... (i'll be back in some time) |
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| 11:33.37 | [z_z] | I wanted to change to testing, so I changed the sources.list to: http://pastebin.com/SVhLNsiW |
| 11:34.05 | [z_z] | I then did an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:34.55 | babilen | [z_z]: The upgrade procedure is detailed in http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html -- I would recommend to investigate the output of "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search ~N" and also check the BTS ( http://bugs.debian.org ) for relevant reports. Try using gedit as a new user too ... |
| 11:35.07 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:35.07 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
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| 11:36.31 | babilen | [z_z]: And please don't use ftp.debian.org (but either ftp.de.debian.org /or/ http.debian.net). See "/msg dpkg make wheezy sources.list" and "/msg dpkg http.debian.net" and http://http.debian.net for more information. See you later! |
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| 11:37.20 | babilen | [z_z]: But I would investigate gedit's behaviour as a new user first. :) |
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| 12:07.38 | bolt | wols: i thought freezes didn't stop people from fixing broken stuff |
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| 12:08.18 | bolt | wols: but yeah, i did backport the 2.9.2 to fix the issue, and to verify that the patch applied to 2.9.2 will indeed resolve it |
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| 12:52.20 | Uninstall | hello |
| 12:52.42 | Uninstall | I have just one question: does anyone know which samba4 version will be release with debian wheezy? |
| 12:52.50 | Uninstall | *released |
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| 12:54.58 | wols | ,versions samba wheezy |
| 12:54.59 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-4 |
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| 12:57.07 | osfd | Hi. Can you tell me about a tutorial to install a new debian system with dm-crypt, pleaase |
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| 12:59.15 | nkuttler | ,v samba4 |
| 12:59.17 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; experimental: 4.0.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 12:59.20 | ChrisH | osfd: With Debian installer its pretty easy. |
| 12:59.22 | nkuttler | Uninstall: ^^ |
| 12:59.26 | fnmueller | ,versions roundcube |
| 12:59.27 | judd | Package: roundcube on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.3.1-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.2-5; sid: 0.7.2-6 |
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| 13:11.15 | Uninstall | nkuttler: the point is about what they are going to release |
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| 13:11.35 | Uninstall | nkuttler: I hope they will not release alpha2 on wheezy because alpha2 is broken |
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| 13:13.13 | osfd | ChrisH: like I go for classical install and then sometimes during the process it'll propose me to so it ? |
| 13:13.36 | osfd | s/to so it/to do it |
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| 13:14.45 | ChrisH | osfd: Atleast during manuall disk setup you can choose use for encrytion. Its a while agi I did it, but its easy to find. |
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| 13:16.24 | Criten | Hey guys, I just upgraded to wheezy and when i resize my putty window GNU screen flipps out and throws |
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| 13:16.34 | nkuttler | Uninstall: well wheezy is frozen, so only security fixes get in, and a few for critical bugs |
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| 13:16.40 | Criten | 'Invalid message (magic 0x6d736702).' |
| 13:16.58 | Uninstall | nkuttler: ok, but alpha2 is currently broken... |
| 13:16.59 | ChrisH | osfd: using google I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9pn2PYbDdA looks fine at the first glance |
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| 13:17.09 | Uninstall | ans a stable release has been released |
| 13:17.44 | Uninstall | I wound how they can provide support and security updates based on an old alpha2 release |
| 13:17.50 | Uninstall | I *wonder |
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| 13:19.09 | nkuttler | Uninstall: ask them http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSambaGroup |
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| 13:30.53 | shomon | hi |
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| 13:31.14 | shomon | since I installed debian I have some strange keyboard settings that are a bit annoying |
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| 13:31.47 | shomon | like the shift + ctrl + arrow keys in a text box used to hilight that word for cut & paste.. now it doesn't |
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| 13:32.16 | shomon | any way to configure that.. seems small but it's annoying if you're a pusher of bits around a screen |
| 13:33.11 | babilen | shomon: Works fine here, Where do you try it? |
| 13:33.38 | babilen | shomon: Which version of Debian is this btw? |
| 13:33.40 | shomon | well now in this window for example.. in webchat.. |
| 13:33.47 | shomon | oh hmm, latest... |
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| 13:33.50 | shomon | latest testing |
| 13:33.53 | babilen | latest being? |
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| 13:33.57 | shomon | with xfce |
| 13:33.59 | babilen | wheezy? |
| 13:34.05 | shomon | let's see.. |
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| 13:34.49 | babilen | shomon: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you and what do you have in your sources.list? Which browser did you use? I've just tested it in Chromium's address bar fwiw |
| 13:34.51 | txomon | hi, where did the debian maintainer guide said that make deb-pkg should be used instead of make-kpkg? |
| 13:34.58 | shomon | aah that's good thanks |
| 13:35.00 | txomon | can't find the ine |
| 13:35.06 | shomon | I was about to ask where do I poke around in /var/proc |
| 13:35.09 | txomon | line* |
| 13:35.23 | shomon | 7.0 |
| 13:35.32 | babilen | txomon: I don't think it is discussed in the maintainer's guide (do you mean the New Maintainer's Guide), but it is being discussed in the kernel handbook |
| 13:36.00 | shomon | babilen: it's not just in chrome or fff. it's also in bash terminals.. using gnome-terminal |
| 13:36.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell txomon -about kernel handbook |
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| 13:36.50 | shomon | ha we have similar sounding nicks |
| 13:36.54 | shomon | in catalan at least.. |
| 13:37.06 | babilen | shomon: I don't use gnome-terminal. Both Chrome and Firefox are neither packaged for nor support by Debian. Could you try Chromium and/or Iceweasel please? Why do you use Firefox? |
| 13:37.39 | shomon | babilen: I only have 4 lines in sources.list - standard ones I think.. for wheezy |
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| 13:37.46 | shomon | sorry chromium |
| 13:37.49 | shomon | and iceweasel |
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| 13:38.10 | shomon | I'm used to translating those words for non techies... |
| 13:38.26 | txomon | babilen, ty! |
| 13:38.33 | shomon | same with xterm |
| 13:39.04 | babilen | shomon: Just tested it in gnome-terminal where it does not work. Well, please be precise in what you say. Chrome is not Chromium and there are some differences between IW and FF (apart from the name these are mostly about integration into the system) |
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| 13:39.38 | babilen | shomon: xterm does not work here too. I can, however, do what you want to do in Chromium's address bar. (I never use that feature, so I haven't tested much) |
| 13:39.57 | shomon | precision is in the eye of the beholder ... ah so it's not some obscure keyboard setting... |
| 13:40.24 | shomon | it's the same in some distros where they got rid of selecting by just hilighting things with a mouse, and pasting by clicking a middle button |
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| 13:40.51 | babilen | shomon: That is my main mode of operation (I would miss it dearly) |
| 13:40.54 | shomon | ah well thanks for checking babilen |
| 13:41.12 | shomon | yeah I think it's mint.. I was like a fish out of water |
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| 13:41.15 | shomon | okay bye |
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| 13:41.24 | babilen | shomon: Sorry, let me know if you want me to test more. But just to check: It does /not/ work for you in Chromium's address bar? |
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| 13:41.48 | babilen | shomon: Works in gedit too fwiw, check that please |
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| 13:44.16 | shomon | okay checking.. sorry chatting too :) |
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| 13:44.40 | shomon | no, not in gedit |
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| 13:46.28 | shomon | not in chromium |
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| 13:51.24 | babilen | shomon: weird, but unfortunately I have no idea what might cause this. How did you install wheezy? Is it up-to-date? Could you try it with a new user? How do you start XFCE? (display manager (which?), startx, ...) Could you test it in a window manager such as fluxbox or awesome? |
| 13:52.08 | shomon | display manager... and I installed wheezy then got tired of gnome 3 and put in xfce via apt |
| 13:52.18 | shomon | not sure how to test in fluxbox? |
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| 13:53.02 | shomon | wheezy was by making a usb with the latest version and installing with that.. |
| 13:53.57 | shomon | about being up to date, I was very lazily contented in ubuntu by the update manager.. is there a simliar thing in debian, or do you have to keep track of certs? |
| 13:54.13 | shomon | I mean keep track of security advisories |
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| 14:03.31 | slacky | Hi everyone. I wanted to know where to lodge complaints against IRC users. Prefer an e-mail address. Do not worry, no one in this channel. |
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| 14:05.21 | Towzzer | slacky, go to the freenode website but nothing will probably happen |
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| 14:06.16 | shomon | slacky |
| 14:06.21 | shomon | go to #freenode |
| 14:06.34 | shomon | they can explain how at least |
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| 14:07.08 | LVLAaron | Gents, if anyone can help with softare r1 installation... http://serverfault.com/questions/473464/fresh-debian-squeeze-software-raid-install-wont-boot |
| 14:07.09 | slacky | Towzzer: shomon: Thanks |
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| 14:08.03 | babilen | shomon: Show me your sources.list and the output of "apt-get update ; aptitude search '~U' |
| 14:08.09 | babilen | " please |
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| 14:08.32 | shomon | sure |
| 14:09.07 | babilen | shomon: Also which display manager do you use? gdm3? You could test in fluxbox by installing it (apt-get install fluxbox) and then choosing it as a session in your display manager. |
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| 14:10.01 | shomon | not sure... |
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| 14:11.42 | babilen | shomon: No problem :) -- What does "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" give you? |
| 14:12.28 | shomon | http://pastebin.com/TnCAHrsE |
| 14:12.45 | shomon | gdm3 |
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| 14:13.24 | shomon | brb |
| 14:13.38 | babilen | shomon: I would start by upgrading those packages (apt-get dist-upgrade) and take it from there. |
| 14:13.42 | babilen | shomon: See you later |
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| 14:19.00 | Shadur | ... Need a quick favor. Can someone check the DNSSEC status of e-cc.nl? One verifier still gives me two errors, the other says A-ok. |
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| 14:19.34 | telmich | good day |
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| 14:20.04 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 14:20.20 | telmich | I'm trying to figure out which is the correct way to install solr with jetty on debian; having solr-jetty installed created a broken link /var/lib/jetty/webapps/solr to /usr/share/solr/webapp, which does not exist |
| 14:20.42 | telmich | any hint on this one / how it is supposed to be after a apt-get install solr-jetty? |
| 14:20.46 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.55 | bluesm | hi |
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| 14:22.18 | bluesm | My ethernet start to light when i down my ethernet iteface |
| 14:22.21 | bluesm | interface |
| 14:22.46 | bluesm | When I tur it up this stop to light |
| 14:23.35 | bluesm | It is strange.,. |
| 14:23.35 | erob | what |
| 14:23.43 | erob | what kind of ethernet ? |
| 14:24.07 | erob | type? |
| 14:24.21 | erob | model? |
| 14:24.24 | bluesm | The RJ port. |
| 14:24.37 | erob | RJ? |
| 14:24.50 | bluesm | erob: RJ - 45... |
| 14:25.06 | erob | is that a dual mode ethernet ? |
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| 14:25.45 | erob | ie my router can both do wlan and lan... but i disable the wlan part |
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| 14:28.07 | bluesm | Hmm. |
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| 14:28.12 | bluesm | It's not that |
| 14:28.13 | _Rocky_ | Hi guys. When will wheezy become the new stable? |
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| 14:28.22 | ChrisH | bluesm: Just to confirm. You unplug the cable and then some light switches on? Are lights on while the cable is plugged? It should have LINK on and activity blinking |
| 14:28.52 | bluesm | erob: I have 17 other computers working. |
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| 14:29.15 | bluesm | ChrisH: I do ifconfig eth0 down (light switches on) |
| 14:29.34 | bluesm | ChrisH: I do ifconfig eth0 up (light switch off). |
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| 14:29.54 | erob | bluesm: cool |
| 14:30.16 | erob | why not use ifup/ifdown ? |
| 14:30.42 | bluesm | erob: What's difference ? |
| 14:30.46 | ChrisH | bluesm: What does ifconfig eth0 shows during these commands? Is there a managed switch behind? |
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| 14:31.49 | erob | i think ifup/ifdown are recommended unless you don't mind to skip the proper initialization |
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| 14:32.55 | bluesm | ChrisH: I have "device Intterupt 54 base 0x8000 (on the ifconfig eth0) |
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| 14:34.04 | bluesm | ChrisH: managed switch ? |
| 14:34.21 | bluesm | ChrisH: This controller works under Windows... |
| 14:34.54 | shomon | thanks babilen |
| 14:35.17 | ChrisH | bluesm: managed switch means: The network cable is connected to a switch you can connect to, via web or ssh and check each port setting. Sounds more like you do not have such a part. |
| 14:35.53 | erob | that called a router where i live.. |
| 14:35.58 | erob | imho :) |
| 14:36.27 | babilen | shomon: Did upgrading the rest of the packages solve your issue? |
| 14:36.39 | ChrisH | erob: router has more functions... but these days switches and routers are similar. |
| 14:36.45 | bluesm | ChrisH: As I've said this works under Windows. |
| 14:36.55 | shomon | it's just in the middle of upgrading now.. But I'll be back here if nothing changes |
| 14:37.18 | shomon | is there something like update-manager in debian? to just show me when something new has come through? |
| 14:37.19 | erob | any hints where i should find the typedef for DRIContextFlags ? |
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| 14:38.09 | erob | xf86dri.h ? |
| 14:38.10 | straterra | I'm trying to install snmp on two new Debian servers, but I keep getting.. snmp : Depends: libsnmp15 (>= 5.4.3~dfsg) but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:38.14 | straterra | E: Broken packages |
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| 14:39.11 | erob | straterra: try apt-get -f install |
| 14:39.18 | babilen | shomon: update-manager is IIRC simply something that comes with synaptic, but *shrug* never use it |
| 14:39.24 | straterra | erob: no go |
| 14:39.52 | erob | straterra: that you issue... apt is all messed up |
| 14:40.00 | StFS | Hello. I have some packages (X, Y and Z) installed that depend on either package A or B and I currently have package A installed. How do I install package B and remove package A in a single pass with apt-get without having to worry about dependency problems for X, Y and Z? |
| 14:40.23 | straterra | I'm also running a few packport packages, but none related to snmp |
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| 14:40.36 | ChrisH | bluesm: I did not ask for windows... The only idea I have would be paste to paste.debian.net the following. ifconfig -a ; ifconfig eth0 down ; ifconfig -a ; ifconfig eth0 up ; lcpci; dmesg |
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| 14:43.15 | bluesm | lspci ? |
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| 14:43.42 | ChrisH | bluesm: lspci ! |
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| 14:44.39 | blackmir1oxx | does anybody know how to responsd in the ssh login process -> after the pw question -> an "opt-md5 ... Respnse : ___<cursor" appears |
| 14:45.11 | bluesm | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/230100/ |
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| 14:45.51 | TheWarden | Hi, do I need to be concerned about this message after I did the kernel update from backports, https://gist.github.com/6e987e278a7915ab3994? The NIC, video and audio is working fine so not sure exactly what this would be required for. |
| 14:45.53 | ChrisH | blackmir1oxx: You should be shown some data and will have a second authentication to answer. You need to ask the admin. |
| 14:47.06 | blackmir1oxx | @ChrisH thx ok look like a second authentication - I will ask the admin - makes sense ;-) |
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| 14:47.30 | bluesm2 | :] |
| 14:47.32 | ChrisH | bluesm: fedoraproject.org ? What kind of Debian system is that? And I cannot see eth0 as your example told us |
| 14:47.40 | erob | lol |
| 14:48.10 | justmeh | lol |
| 14:48.13 | bluesm | Right. Is fedora. |
| 14:48.22 | justmeh | bluesm, try #fedora #rhel #centos |
| 14:48.59 | babilen | scowls at bluesm |
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| 14:50.56 | ChrisH | Is "managed switch" an unusal word? |
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| 14:52.46 | rozz | Can someone help me install something? It is LinReg 2.06 at http://www.physics.pomona.edu/sixideas/sicpr.html partway down the page. I downloaded it and extracted it and couldn't figure it out. |
| 14:52.55 | wols | ChrisH: it's perfectly cromulent |
| 14:53.02 | rozz | If someone could download it, extract, and look at it for a second, that'd help a ton. |
| 14:53.04 | flami | Hi there, I am trying to build my own dbg kernel ( e.g. linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg ) . so I used make-kpkg linux_image linux_header_linux_debug. however it seems that I do not get a /usr/lib/debug/boot/vmlinux... directory liek the downloadable package has. |
| 14:53.09 | flami | am I messing up? |
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| 14:53.21 | erob | wow |
| 14:53.40 | erob | i didn't even know there was a make-kpkg for building kernels :) |
| 14:53.56 | flami | it builds you kernel pacakges :p |
| 14:54.00 | flami | easy ey? |
| 14:54.08 | wols | rozz: chmod it to set it executable and run it |
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| 14:55.53 | justmeh | !debian way |
| 14:55.53 | dpkg | well, debian way is a Good Thing[tm], or generally sticking to one branch (stable XOR testing XOR unstable), compiling kernels using make-kpkg, using Debian-specific ways of doing tasks like using update-rc.d, a2enmod and m-a. |
| 14:56.02 | rozz | wols: Thanks. |
| 14:56.18 | ChrisH | Right now a part of my KDE Desktop failed. How can I restart the KDE start button? Also the Applications on the Destop changed their apperance. ( I did not yet google, as I do not know how this KDE start button is named correctly) |
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| 14:57.04 | flami | is that kde 4? |
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| 14:58.02 | flami | the start button is just a widget on your task bar, so you can right click it and add an applicatio launcher . ( if I remeber the name right) |
| 14:58.08 | ChrisH | flami: squueze kdebase-apps is 4:4.4.5-2 I assume its KDE 4 |
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| 14:59.04 | flami | well yeah that kinda came to my mind a little later |
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| 14:59.31 | flami | if you mean that your start button is gone, you can add it again, or anywhere you want , just like any other widget |
| 14:59.31 | ChrisH | flami: right click, "application launcher settings" --> missing icons inside.. could that be plasma desktop missing? |
| 14:59.46 | flami | woot? |
| 14:59.53 | flami | so you got a button ? |
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| 15:00.21 | flami | Oh you dont have an icon for the launcher? |
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| 15:00.55 | flami | I got kde 4.9 but there should be a "general" section in the application launcher sttings where you can chose the icon |
| 15:02.01 | justmeh | ChrisH, a bit of history how you got to this point might help? |
| 15:02.15 | justmeh | so we start with a good install of (stable?) kde. then what? |
| 15:02.20 | justmeh | how do we get to where your at |
| 15:03.30 | ChrisH | Iceweasel crashed and a second later my desktop changed. The "Icons" on the Desktop only have their text line and no more image. The KDE Start button (lower left bottom) is missing. Logs are clean. System uptime is 85 days and till now all was well. |
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| 15:03.56 | justmeh | ok |
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| 15:04.15 | justmeh | anything in your .xsession-errors? |
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| 15:05.27 | ChrisH | justmeh: yes... tons of undated lines like that: plasma-desktop(19223): Failed to lock file "/var/tmp/kdecache-chris/kpc/kde-icon-cache.lock" , last result = 2 |
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| 15:06.38 | justmeh | my first instinct would be logging out and in of X |
| 15:06.47 | justmeh | but i really don't know what killed it based on this much info |
| 15:06.49 | ChrisH | errno 2 -> ENOENT and there is no such file. |
| 15:07.03 | justmeh | did you change any packages lately? |
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| 15:08.03 | ChrisH | justmeh: I wanted to avoid restarting KDE. from /var/log/apt/history last update was January 1st 2013 |
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| 15:08.19 | justmeh | yeah then your gonna need more help :) |
| 15:08.48 | ChrisH | justmeh: therefore I was asking here ;) |
| 15:08.52 | justmeh | yup |
| 15:08.57 | tharkun | What is the name of the program that makes a nice chroot for building purposes? |
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| 15:09.05 | justmeh | was flash running when the browser crashed? |
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| 15:11.23 | Hans_Henrik | any plans to include php5-fpm in squeeze? |
| 15:11.31 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: debootstrap |
| 15:12.55 | wols | Hans_Henrik: squeeze is stable. there won't be any changes |
| 15:13.19 | wols | Hans_Henrik: you can check for a backport |
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| 15:13.35 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: Thanks :-) |
| 15:13.56 | justmeh | wols, would you consider pinning supported in debian? |
| 15:14.08 | wols | !pinning |
| 15:14.08 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 15:14.14 | justmeh | yeah thought so |
| 15:14.19 | justmeh | i know about it |
| 15:14.23 | justmeh | and i know about that artical |
| 15:14.28 | justmeh | was just wondering what your opinion was |
| 15:14.29 | justmeh | lol |
| 15:14.34 | wols | then why did you ask? PS: your enter key is broken |
| 15:15.13 | justmeh | 'cause earlier in another chan someone tried to say differently |
| 15:15.54 | wols | read the frankendebian factoid. it's the typical outcome of pinning |
| 15:17.46 | ChrisH | justmeh: Flash running before icewasel crashed. |
| 15:18.37 | justmeh | flash can indeed crash X, doesnt get you closer to your solution, but might be something to look at |
| 15:19.09 | themill | if anything crashes X it's a bug in X. |
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| 15:22.56 | mino | hi, maybe a package maintainer here nows a answer to my question on askubuntu.com which is related to git and package building? http://askubuntu.com/questions/248994/howto-handle-packaging-and-development-in-one-git-repository |
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| 15:24.42 | themill | mino: you don't have to use "master" and "upstream" you can use different branch names and configure gbp to use them. You might like to ask either #ubuntu-devel (on this network) or #debian-mentors (on irc.oftc.net) depending on which distribution you're targetting. |
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| 15:29.55 | mino | themill, thanks i will try in the ubuntu devel channel |
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| 15:30.55 | mino | themill, i know that i dont have to use master or upstream but i have to somehow use git tags which gbp needs, but i dont see any documentation here |
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| 15:33.06 | ChrisH | justmeh: restarted kdm, now its OK |
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| 15:35.14 | themill | mino: I don't believe that gbp requires tags; it *can* tag things and that's probably a good idea |
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| 15:39.41 | TheWarden | within /etc/network/interfaces does one need to specify network and broadcast? |
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| 15:42.59 | wols | do you set up a static iP? |
| 15:43.05 | ksk | no, why should one. |
| 15:43.22 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: You do need to set the netmask, you don't need to set broadcast (I think you can, but it should calculate it correctly if you don't.) |
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| 15:43.59 | TheWarden | yes when setting a static IP. I didn't think it would be necessary to have network and broadcast but just asking to make sure what is right or wrong. |
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| 15:44.29 | hsnmck | hello, I have two netowrk interfaces, is there a way to force firefox to use one interface and chrome to use the other one? thanks. |
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| 15:46.00 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: address + netmask determines network. |
| 15:46.31 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: okay, thanks! |
| 15:46.33 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: These days the DHCP server will fail if you don't set ranges correctly - begin a range in the middle of a subnet or something. |
| 15:47.05 | TheWarden | Do I need to be concerned about this message after I did the kernel update from backports, https://gist.github.com/6e987e278a7915ab3994? The NIC, video and audio is working fine so not sure exactly what this would be required for. |
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| 15:48.53 | wols | it might not be as fast as normally. and you can always install the firmware from non-free if you want |
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| 15:53.50 | TheWarden | wols: what may not be as fast as normal? |
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| 15:54.03 | wols | the NIC |
| 15:54.41 | TheWarden | oh mmm, I wonder is it worth installing the firmware then. Not sure what to do about this. |
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| 15:57.06 | TheWarden | do I install them all? I'm trying to locate the package at http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ |
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| 15:59.49 | Hans_Henrik | situation: i would like unattended-upgrades because of security updates. problem: i need to custom-compile a few of the packages myself.. can i make unattended-upgrades download -src versions and compile & install, on specific packages? |
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| 16:01.44 | TheWarden | Is this the package I would install, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek? |
| 16:01.54 | TheWarden | To resolve https://gist.github.com/6e987e278a7915ab3994 |
| 16:02.24 | devios | what is the appropriate http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall image for an AMD Opteron 2210 64-Bit processor? Is there any documentation that would have helped me answer this question on my own? |
| 16:02.27 | wols | yes |
| 16:02.53 | wols | devios: the amd64 one |
| 16:03.07 | wols | devios: install guide maybe. /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:03.17 | TheWarden | well to be on the safe side I guess its best I install that package, I don't want the NIC to fail or be slow. |
| 16:03.34 | wols | TheWarden: only matters in a gbit network if that |
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| 16:03.49 | Hans_Henrik | TheWarden: guess u could try.. wget http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1_all.deb; dpkg -i firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1_all.deb |
| 16:03.54 | TheWarden | wols: oh really, mmm okay well I'll see then if I'll do it. |
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| 16:04.22 | Zeeflo | would jelly-home happen to be here? :) |
| 16:05.02 | TheWarden | Hans_Henrik: ahh that seems like more work then necessary when I could just use apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek |
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| 16:06.57 | Hans_Henrik | TheWarden: guess you're right |
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| 16:07.51 | martoss | hey folks, what's the recommended tool to build debian packages for powerpc on x86/amd64? |
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| 16:08.30 | jelly | Zeeflo: nope |
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| 16:08.54 | gnat_x | hi folks. is there a way to search a package suite with aptitude, similarly to the way you can search tags with something like: aptitude search ~Gtag emacs |
| 16:08.57 | gnat_x | ? |
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| 16:08.59 | Zeeflo | Is jelly here then? |
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| 16:09.25 | jelly | maybe |
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| 16:10.15 | jelly | !tell Zeeflo about ask |
| 16:10.22 | themill | gnat_x: what do you mean by "suite" in this context? |
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| 16:11.11 | Zeeflo | jelly, whats wrong with this picture? http://postimage.org/image/rgtmzla6z/ |
| 16:11.13 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 16:11.38 | jelly | apart from the abyabtu? |
| 16:11.47 | Zeeflo | Im just asking if jelly is here, cause now I am gonna try the sarge install on this mofo! |
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| 16:12.17 | Zeeflo | no, squeeze.. |
| 16:12.30 | Towzzer | cool bios |
| 16:12.34 | Towzzer | but isn't that a bit dated |
| 16:12.35 | jelly | Zeeflo: looks like you have a power supply failure or a missing PS |
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| 16:12.46 | gnat_x | themill: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mailcrypt right before the "Other Packages Related..." heading there is "Suite: Emacs." I want a listing of everything in that "suite" (which is something i myself just noticed for the first time) |
| 16:12.48 | Zeeflo | theres 2 power sups, i have only connected 1 |
| 16:13.06 | jelly | why? |
| 16:13.21 | Zeeflo | it works with one? |
| 16:13.27 | Zeeflo | is two needed? |
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| 16:13.48 | jelly | the point of having redundant power supplies is to have both running |
| 16:13.58 | Zeeflo | I know |
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| 16:14.10 | Zeeflo | When im done installing debian on it, itll get hooked up x2 |
| 16:14.17 | themill | gnat_x: ahh... suite::emacs is a debtag, I understand now. aptitude search ~Gsuite::emacs |
| 16:14.18 | Zeeflo | its just while i have it here on the table |
| 16:14.38 | jelly | Zeeflo: well then, I guess that message is to be expected |
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| 16:14.54 | themill | gnat_x: axi-cache search suite::<tab><tab> may also be of interest. |
| 16:15.07 | Zeeflo | So jelly , first thing this needs is the bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-5.0.0.j3.fw |
| 16:15.16 | gnat_x | themill: ahh thanks. that worked! |
| 16:15.22 | jelly | Zeeflo: yes I know. |
| 16:15.29 | Zeeflo | can I put that on a fat formatted pen drive and wooptidoo? |
| 16:15.35 | jelly | Zeeflo: use the firmware images. |
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| 16:15.50 | Zeeflo | jelly, can you point me in the direction of it? |
| 16:15.59 | jelly | I did, yesterday |
| 16:16.11 | jelly | Zeeflo: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 16:17.09 | Zeeflo | My log doesnt go that far back for some reason.. |
| 16:17.10 | Zeeflo | thanks |
| 16:17.50 | Zeeflo | AMD64 correct? |
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| 16:18.37 | unit3 | Hey all. Anyone know how to debug resolvconf? |
| 16:19.02 | unit3 | I've got a dnsmasq on 127.0.0.1, and also a dns server provided via DHCP, but for some reason I only end up with 127.0.0.1 on update. |
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| 16:19.22 | unit3 | Even when the update is triggered via the dhclient (via networkmanager). |
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| 16:22.15 | bjwebb | does the dfsg apply to non-software in debian? |
| 16:22.52 | Zeeflo | jelly, is it normal for the server to have a looong warmup/startup time before even bios options are available? |
| 16:23.31 | Zeeflo | boot options |
| 16:24.15 | Towzzer | server boards often wipe the memory before even going to a bios screen |
| 16:24.24 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 16:24.43 | Zeeflo | im used to homebuild stuff.. |
| 16:24.47 | Zeeflo | never had a server like this |
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| 16:27.57 | jelly | Zeeflo: G7 and G8 have a longish POST time, 5-8 minutes, yes |
| 16:29.00 | Zeeflo | you have to wait for good things to happen :D |
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| 16:29.15 | jelly | Zeeflo: after all it needs to dive into the SEA OF SENSORS |
| 16:29.20 | jelly | ... |
| 16:29.22 | themill | bjwebb: depends what you mean by "non-software". I'd say that everything in a package is considered by debian to be software |
| 16:29.24 | wols | bjwebb: yes, which is why FDL is not compatible with debian (invariant parts) |
| 16:29.49 | bjwebb | so, any documentation that is only availible as a pdf should not be in main, for example? |
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| 16:30.07 | themill | bjwebb: normally -- do you have a specific case in mind? |
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| 16:30.26 | jelly | bjwebb: the container format is less important than the actual license |
| 16:30.41 | unit3 | Zeeflo: our brand new IBM servers have about a ~10m POST time (including add-in cards and stuff). Servers do a lot more diagnostics at power on. |
| 16:30.44 | bjwebb | jelly: i meant since pdf is obviously not the source format |
| 16:31.02 | unit3 | However, we've been able to cut the time by switching to UEFI-only boot mode, since then the add in cards don't do their whole sequence, as it's handled by UEFI. |
| 16:32.18 | devios | wols: thanks |
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| 16:32.36 | bjwebb | themill: yes, sextractor. one of the pdfs is particularly concerning as it has afaict non-free licensed comics in it |
| 16:32.54 | tharkun | Is sda1 (hd0,0) on grub notation, How can I be sure about this? |
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| 16:33.50 | Zeeflo | MY GOD its sooo fast! |
| 16:33.55 | Zeeflo | This is unbelieveable |
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| 16:34.46 | unstable | I've been cross-compiling code using a virtual machine. My development environment is a Debian Squeeze on a 64 bit PC and I'm targeting a 32 bit Red Hat 5 with libc 2.5. I'd like to get rid of the VM. What's the right way to go? Set up a chroot environment? Is it as simple as copying all the files in my VM into a directory and chrooting there? |
| 16:35.47 | themill | bjwebb: oh, and yet another embedded copy of levmar ftw. |
| 16:35.54 | zinx | unstable: yes, you can install 32-bit RH to a VM in 64-bit Debian |
| 16:35.55 | koollman | unstable: a chroot would work fine, since it's x86-64 and x86 . it's probably the easiest way. And yes, a simple copy should work |
| 16:35.59 | zinx | unstable: erhh chroot, not VM :X |
| 16:36.11 | zinx | unstable: you will need to do more than copy the files :P |
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| 16:36.23 | jelly | unstable: if their glibc version works with debian's kernel, yes, that might be an efficient option |
| 16:36.36 | zinx | unstable: you need to have a 32-bit userland inside the chroot, you need to have /proc, /sys, and possibly /dev mounted inside it as well |
| 16:36.52 | koollman | to compile, you probably don't need all of them :) |
| 16:37.03 | Zeeflo | what kind of file system should i use? |
| 16:37.08 | zinx | Zeeflo: ext4 |
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| 16:37.21 | jelly | zinx: a 32bit (or any-bit) gcc needs none of those. |
| 16:37.27 | Zeeflo | for sas discs? |
| 16:37.30 | zinx | Zeeflo: (there are other godo options, but if you are asking, the answer is ext4 :) ) |
| 16:37.31 | Zeeflo | just ext4 |
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| 16:37.40 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 16:38.00 | zinx | Zeeflo: btrfs and some other alternatives are not as mature as ext4 right now |
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| 16:38.13 | jelly | ext3 is more mature than ext4! |
| 16:38.13 | Zeeflo | i was thinking reiserfs |
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| 16:38.19 | jelly | Zeeflo: don't. |
| 16:38.22 | zinx | jelly: yes, but it doesn't do extents and such |
| 16:38.23 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 16:38.28 | Zeeflo | ext4 it is |
| 16:38.30 | zinx | Zeeflo: don't even think about reiserfs, bad bad idea |
| 16:38.33 | jelly | zinx: extents schemextents |
| 16:38.36 | zinx | jelly: :P |
| 16:38.38 | unit3 | IMO XFS. |
| 16:38.45 | unstable | I see. |
| 16:38.48 | unit3 | I mean, yes, if you don't know, ext4 is more familiar. |
| 16:38.48 | unstable | Thanks! |
| 16:38.51 | zinx | unit3: xfs is not so great on Linux |
| 16:39.16 | bjwebb | themill: hmm, how should that one be handled? |
| 16:39.18 | unit3 | zinx: not sure what you base that on? In our rather extensive testing, it's far more mature, better designed, reliable, performant, etc than extX. |
| 16:39.34 | Zeeflo | noatime for /boot as well? |
| 16:39.35 | unit3 | It's been around since (IIRC) 93, they've had time to get it right. |
| 16:39.40 | jelly | Zeeflo: doesn't matter. |
| 16:40.37 | zinx | unit3: shrug |
| 16:40.37 | Zeeflo | reserved blocks? |
| 16:40.49 | zinx | unit3: it was for IRIX back then |
| 16:41.14 | Zeeflo | now, the system has 48GB RAM |
| 16:41.15 | themill | bjwebb: please file a serious bug against the source package. Justification: policy §2.1 "The program must include source code". Please also file a second bug against the binary package that Guide2source_extractor.pdf contains non-redistributable material. |
| 16:41.20 | Zeeflo | do I need a SWAP area? |
| 16:41.46 | unit3 | zinx: yeah, but it's been in Linux since 2002. That's over a decade of integration. It's fine now. ;) |
| 16:41.52 | zinx | Zeeflo: noatime reduces disk access when files are accessed (read) |
| 16:42.01 | zinx | Zeeflo: you do need swap on any normal system |
| 16:42.03 | unit3 | Zeeflo: unless you have crazy ram, you'll need swap. |
| 16:42.11 | zinx | you need swap even with crazy ram tbqh |
| 16:42.14 | unit3 | and even then, it can still help. |
| 16:42.15 | unit3 | yeah. |
| 16:42.17 | bjwebb | themill: okay. but i'm not sure I see the levmar problem, since that one is built from source |
| 16:42.23 | Zeeflo | so 2gb swap? |
| 16:42.31 | zinx | Zeeflo: sounds reasonable |
| 16:42.35 | Zeeflo | just to be safe |
| 16:42.37 | Zeeflo | yea |
| 16:42.48 | zinx | (depending on your intended workload) |
| 16:42.55 | Zeeflo | media encoding |
| 16:42.59 | Zeeflo | (ffmpeg) |
| 16:43.01 | zinx | if you're running a server with 64GB of ram and enough programs to make use of that, you'll want more swap :) |
| 16:43.10 | zinx | a workstation with the same, 2GB is fine |
| 16:43.19 | themill | bjwebb: ignore levmar... it's just a pain in the backside little library that is designed to be embedded inside other works rather than being used as a proper library... meaning that there's probably about a dozen different copies of it in the archive all incompatible and all different versions. |
| 16:43.27 | Zeeflo | its only gonna be used for ffmpeg |
| 16:43.34 | zinx | Zeeflo: how much ram do you have? |
| 16:43.39 | Zeeflo | MAYBE samba as well |
| 16:43.53 | Zeeflo | 48GB DDR3 Advanced ECC 10600 |
| 16:43.55 | Zeeflo | something |
| 16:43.56 | zinx | Zeeflo: the swap is actually primarily for swapping out long-running programs so that the ram can be used for buffers/caches instead |
| 16:43.58 | bjwebb | themill: ah, figured it might be that, but was looking for a standalone version, which as you suggest doesn't exist |
| 16:44.10 | Towzzer | zinx is so right |
| 16:44.12 | zinx | Zeeflo: yeah you should be fine |
| 16:44.17 | Towzzer | most people get so confused about swap |
| 16:44.19 | Towzzer | and turn it off |
| 16:44.24 | zinx | yeah, bad idea |
| 16:44.27 | Zeeflo | I have always used swap |
| 16:44.36 | Zeeflo | I was just asking cause of this monster server.. |
| 16:44.37 | themill | bjwebb: there's a half-baked version of a shareed object version of levmar provided by upstream that I looked at packaging for debian some years ago. I ran away in horror. |
| 16:44.43 | Zeeflo | Never had one like this |
| 16:44.51 | bjwebb | themill: oh, what fun |
| 16:45.14 | zinx | Zeeflo: so the basic idea for swap tunage is this: estimate how much memory will be used by programs and not frequently accessed, make your swap at least that large |
| 16:45.34 | unit3 | Given you've said ffmpeg encoding (which doesn't use a ton of RAM by itself), it'll probably be fine. |
| 16:45.35 | Towzzer | my swap file is in ramfs |
| 16:45.37 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.42 | Zeeflo | i dont think ffmpeg will go that much above 500/1000mb ram |
| 16:45.48 | Zeeflo | its mostly CPU |
| 16:45.48 | unit3 | Kernel will automatically use free RAM for the block cache on the stuff you're loading from disk and encoding. |
| 16:45.49 | zinx | Zeeflo: for a typical debian workstation, 2GB should be pretty decent |
| 16:45.50 | unit3 | yep |
| 16:45.53 | unit3 | should be grand. |
| 16:46.02 | jelly | Zeeflo: no swap. |
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| 16:46.16 | Zeeflo | WHAaHT? |
| 16:46.16 | Zeeflo | jelly, no swap? |
| 16:46.19 | jelly | no. swap. at. all. |
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| 16:46.22 | zinx | jelly: ? |
| 16:46.45 | jelly | if your machine starts swapping, either change the workload or buy more memory. |
| 16:46.56 | zinx | sigh |
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| 16:47.17 | themill | bjwebb: if you happen to know where the tex files for those manuals can be found, please mention it in the bug report. |
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| 16:47.27 | jelly | zinx: it's not a workstation. it's a noisy 1U server that's goinf to stay in a rack somewhere |
| 16:47.53 | zinx | jelly: doesn't sound like it's going to have a typical server workload on it |
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| 16:48.02 | themill | bjwebb: (their svn seems to just have the PDFs checked in... nice work) |
| 16:48.04 | zinx | jelly: and if it did, i would be recommending more swap, not none. |
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| 16:48.16 | jelly | zinx: we have dozens of transcoding servers in the DC |
| 16:48.29 | bjwebb | themill: I strongly think they haven't been released. there's a related bug about building html documentation, where someone tried to ask for it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399759 |
| 16:48.31 | jelly | ok... a single dozen. |
| 16:48.32 | themill | bjwebb: ahh... please include http://www.astromatic.net/wsvn/public/listing.php?repname=public+documents.sextractor_doc&path=%2F& |
| 16:48.43 | zinx | jelly: did you read what i said about what swap is used for? |
| 16:48.44 | Zeeflo | whats the worst case scenario without swap? |
| 16:48.56 | Zeeflo | hanging server? |
| 16:48.59 | zinx | Zeeflo: nothing should happen, you will just have less stuff cached. |
| 16:49.05 | jelly | zinx: yeah, and it's useless |
| 16:49.10 | zinx | Zeeflo: if you're running out of ram, then you really should get more |
| 16:49.19 | Zeeflo | 48GB RAM, run out? |
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| 16:49.23 | Zeeflo | for encoding 720p? |
| 16:49.23 | zinx | Zeeflo: if you do run out, Linux will start killing processes that are taking too much. |
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| 16:49.30 | zinx | Zeeflo: yeah, i don't think you will run out. |
| 16:49.47 | jelly | Zeeflo: but srsly, you can add a swap file after the fact if you need it |
| 16:49.52 | zinx | yes, you can |
| 16:49.59 | Zeeflo | Maybe if I was gonna use it for for 10 VPC |
| 16:50.04 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 16:50.06 | Zeeflo | No swap then |
| 16:50.19 | Zeeflo | so I have a 1 gb /boot |
| 16:50.22 | zinx | (you can also tweak the size) |
| 16:50.25 | Zeeflo | any other recommendations? |
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| 16:50.53 | jelly | how are you going to do backups? |
| 16:51.06 | Zeeflo | I dont need backups |
| 16:51.09 | jelly | o.o |
| 16:51.13 | Zeeflo | not on this machine |
| 16:51.22 | zinx | Zeeflo: i have /var, /run, /etc, /home, /tmp on different parts here but that may be more work than you are interested in :) |
| 16:51.26 | EmleyMoor | Many a person has said that and gone on to regret it... |
| 16:51.31 | Towzzer | "Backups? We don't need no stinkin' backups" |
| 16:51.38 | Zeeflo | Dont get me wrong |
| 16:51.46 | jelly | Zeeflo: so you're going to install it from scratch and waste time configuring it again if it dies? |
| 16:51.47 | Zeeflo | my WWW servers are backed up once an hour |
| 16:51.52 | zinx | Zeeflo: harder to resize with multiple partitions (and LVM2 strongly recommended if you do) |
| 16:51.54 | Zeeflo | but this is for encoding video files.. |
| 16:51.59 | Zeeflo | If it crashes, so what? |
| 16:52.11 | Zeeflo | install debian again and continue.. :) |
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| 16:52.20 | jelly | Zeeflo: it's never just "debian" |
| 16:52.29 | Zeeflo | Hmm |
| 16:52.39 | jelly | you install and configure apps, create users and services |
| 16:52.45 | Zeeflo | nope |
| 16:52.51 | ry|an | I'd like to interject for a moment here |
| 16:53.01 | ry|an | I am a massive homosexual and enjoy sucking dicks |
| 16:53.05 | Zeeflo | ? |
| 16:53.06 | jelly | !ops ry|an |
| 16:53.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: ry|an |
| 16:53.06 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 16:53.13 | ry|an | Whait |
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| 16:53.25 | Zeeflo | WELL |
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| 16:53.39 | Zeeflo | I mean, isnt a backup better offsite anyways?= |
| 16:53.47 | Zeeflo | And I have a 100GB backup offsite at Hetzner.de |
| 16:53.54 | jelly | Zeeflo: ok, my rule of thumb is... if anyone will spend more than 2-3 hours reconfiguring the machine again, it needs a backup |
| 16:54.14 | jelly | human time spent is expensive |
| 16:54.26 | Zeeflo | couldnt I just do a backup to DVD when the server is finished installing? |
| 16:54.32 | Zeeflo | then Ill have the image forever |
| 16:54.37 | zinx | jelly: takes longer than that to unpack a backup here.... though, it doesn't have to be watched :) |
| 16:54.38 | Zeeflo | dd if= etc |
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| 16:54.53 | jelly | Zeeflo: you could do whatever you want, that's why I asked _how_ do you plan on doing it |
| 16:55.05 | Zeeflo | either to a dvd or offsite |
| 16:55.14 | jelly | Zeeflo: eg. LVM enables and facilitates consistent image backups |
| 16:55.16 | Zeeflo | if the harddrives fail, the backup locally is gone anyways.. |
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| 16:55.56 | jelly | but it also introduces a very slight performance penalty |
| 16:56.03 | Zeeflo | what does? |
| 16:56.05 | jelly | lvm |
| 16:56.11 | Zeeflo | should I have used lvm? |
| 16:56.20 | jelly | you tell me |
| 16:56.25 | Zeeflo | never ever used it before |
| 16:56.45 | Zeeflo | so, i dont know what it will benefit me |
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| 16:57.18 | jelly | it makes it easy to do snapshot images of filesystems online |
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| 16:57.34 | Zeeflo | ah ok |
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| 16:57.57 | Zeeflo | well. As long as I can DD once or twice to a DVD, im good! |
| 16:58.06 | Zeeflo | This really is not a critical server.. |
| 16:58.22 | Zeeflo | But you are right, it would be nice to just put in a DVD and then its running again |
| 16:58.22 | jelly | no need to bother with it then |
| 16:58.34 | themill | bjwebb: please let me know the bug numbers when you get them, btw. |
| 16:58.42 | Zeeflo | :) |
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| 16:58.53 | Zeeflo | ok, ill move on with 1 gb /boot and the rest to / |
| 16:59.07 | Zeeflo | bith ext4 |
| 16:59.09 | Zeeflo | both* |
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| 16:59.59 | Zeeflo | its warning me to make swap |
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| 17:00.02 | Zeeflo | ignore? |
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| 17:00.55 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: I add an LVM based volume as swap, allways. |
| 17:01.02 | quechec | sorry, I still didn't got it... What is the tiniest .iso image I need for a base install with no network connection? Is it netinst? |
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| 17:01.19 | Zeeflo | or business cars |
| 17:01.21 | Zeeflo | card |
| 17:01.26 | themill | yes, the netinst is sufficient |
| 17:01.48 | Zeeflo | regarding that.. |
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| 17:02.20 | Zeeflo | I always wondered, how come it works perfectly with a 168mb netinstall when theres like... 16 dvds |
| 17:02.22 | quechec | it's just so confusing that for the "netinst" image I don't need an internet connection for a base install and for a business card install I do... |
| 17:02.26 | Zeeflo | whats on all those dvds? |
| 17:02.54 | quechec | Zeeflo: all the packages of the whole archive :) |
| 17:02.58 | themill | Zeeflo: all the other packages on debian that you've not (yet) installed |
| 17:03.10 | ChrisH | quechec: netinst menas Internet connection needed. |
| 17:03.14 | Zeeflo | wow.. thats alot.. |
| 17:03.14 | themill | no |
| 17:03.19 | themill | quechec: the names are crap, yes. |
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| 17:03.39 | themill | the business card images are also going away, so that helps solve that problem |
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| 17:04.03 | quechec | ChrisH: as I said, it's NOT needed! only for business card install |
| 17:04.35 | Zeeflo | crap |
| 17:04.45 | Zeeflo | I forgot to set the dns :D |
| 17:04.54 | Zeeflo | oh well |
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| 17:07.02 | ChrisH | quechec: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst.en.html This method of installing Debian requires a functioning Internet connection during installation. |
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| 17:07.47 | Zeeflo | First Boot :D |
| 17:07.52 | debianrootfsfail | hello, first time i install debian |
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| 17:07.57 | debianrootfsfail | and o got error |
| 17:08.04 | Zeeflo | what error? |
| 17:08.06 | ChrisH | quechec: Maybe CD or DVD1 will be sufficient for you. |
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| 17:08.10 | debianrootfsfail | VFS unable to mount root fs wn-block(0,0) |
| 17:08.52 | themill | ChrisH: if you don't select any packages at the tasksel stage, it does not require a network connection. Try it out yourself in a VM if you want. |
| 17:09.02 | debianrootfsfail | i install on hd0 |
| 17:09.05 | debianrootfsfail | or sda |
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| 17:10.02 | ChrisH | themill: if a customer pays for it :) But good to know. I normally install at places were apt-cachers exists. |
| 17:10.04 | haole | is there a channel for emdebian related stuff? |
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| 17:10.16 | themill | dpkg: tell haole about emdebian |
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| 17:10.31 | quechec | ChrisH: the topic we have already closed up is that one does not need a network connection in order to install a base install from a netinst image |
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| 17:11.31 | debianrootfsfail | Zeeflo, do you know what to do? |
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| 17:12.57 | Zeeflo | debianrootfsfail, no, I have never encountered that before |
| 17:13.08 | Zeeflo | but it sounds like a kernel panic of some sort |
| 17:13.19 | debianrootfsfail | yes |
| 17:13.22 | debianrootfsfail | kernel panic |
| 17:13.42 | Zeeflo | what does your command df say? |
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| 17:14.11 | debianrootfsfail | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.21 | Zeeflo | 100% ? |
| 17:14.27 | ChrisH | debianrootfsfail: most times the initrd is not OK. Was there any error during grub install? |
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| 17:14.38 | debianrootfsfail | no error |
| 17:14.47 | debianrootfsfail | wait to go in rescue mode |
| 17:15.00 | Zeeflo | its probably your linux-image thats screwed |
| 17:15.00 | debianrootfsfail | am on phone now |
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| 17:16.45 | bjwebb | themill: i went and got stuff the wrong way round. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699275 |
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| 17:17.15 | themill | bjwebb: thanks for filing it! |
| 17:17.26 | Zeeflo | pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.conf |
| 17:17.34 | Zeeflo | is that still valid to load iptables on boot? |
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| 17:18.32 | Zeeflo | Also, is the allow-hotplug needed? |
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| 17:20.10 | debianrootfsfail | zeeflo |
| 17:20.21 | Zeeflo | yes? |
| 17:20.28 | debianrootfsfail | i run rescue mode in dev sda1 |
| 17:20.32 | debianrootfsfail | an type df |
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| 17:20.41 | debianrootfsfail | dev/sda i / |
| 17:20.47 | debianrootfsfail | how to check |
| 17:20.53 | debianrootfsfail | i see booy dir in / |
| 17:21.06 | jhutchins_wk | !enter |
| 17:21.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 17:21.58 | Zeeflo | debianrootfsfail, im not familiar enought with that kind, I am afraid I dont have any answers except try to get a new linux-image |
| 17:22.02 | cuqa | hey. there is probably a way to get more ma apt-get |
| 17:22.04 | Zeeflo | thats my best guess.. |
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| 17:22.19 | debianrootfsfail | how zeeflo? |
| 17:22.32 | debianrootfsfail | can i do this in rescue |
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| 17:23.09 | cuqa | hey. there is probably a way to get unstable packages in wheezy, but for the benefit of getting some packages at all.. anyone can tell me how this works or where I should look |
| 17:23.16 | Zeeflo | debianrootfsfail, what does your uname -a command say? |
| 17:23.36 | debianrootfsfail | debian 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 17:23.45 | debianrootfsfail | i686 |
| 17:23.52 | Zeeflo | debianrootfsfail, what does this command say? : dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image- |
| 17:24.47 | debianrootfsfail | 2.6-686 |
| 17:25.00 | debianrootfsfail | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:25.09 | quechec | Zeeflo: it gives you installed packages having "linux-image-" in its name |
| 17:25.54 | Zeeflo | debianrootfsfail, i would try deleting your 2.6.32-5-686 image and use the 2.6-686 instead |
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| 17:26.11 | debianrootfsfail | mhm |
| 17:26.15 | debianrootfsfail | how to do this |
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| 17:26.52 | themill | Zeeflo: ? |
| 17:27.04 | Zeeflo | apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.32-5 blabla |
| 17:27.11 | Zeeflo | debianrootfsfail, wait! |
| 17:27.15 | Zeeflo | themill, ? |
| 17:27.27 | themill | no, don't do that.... removing the kernel doesn't sound like a good plan |
| 17:27.29 | debianrootfsfail | iam waiting :D |
| 17:27.35 | quechec | sorry, if I am bugging with primitive questions; I have been using Debian for years but one thing I am permanently stumbling at is finding the Debian image I am looking for... can you please tell me what is the newest official wheezy netinst .iso for i386 and, more importantly, how does one find it? |
| 17:27.36 | Zeeflo | debianrootfsfail, ask themill |
| 17:27.42 | Zeeflo | hes far better then me |
| 17:27.51 | Zeeflo | This is just the only solution I could think of |
| 17:27.52 | debianrootfsfail | themill what to do :-[ |
| 17:27.54 | Zeeflo | like i said.. |
| 17:28.02 | themill | dpkg: tell quechec about install wheezy |
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| 17:28.31 | quechec | themill: I mean the netinst image. Normal CD image is easy... |
| 17:28.33 | themill | debianrootfsfail: I've not been paying close attention to this... |
| 17:28.46 | themill | quechec: dpkg just gave you the link |
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| 17:28.47 | debianrootfsfail | i can boot debian |
| 17:28.55 | persondatlols | hero boiz |
| 17:28.56 | debianrootfsfail | vfs cannot boot root fs |
| 17:29.02 | debianrootfsfail | kernel panic |
| 17:29.12 | persondatlols | o panic? |
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| 17:29.15 | debianrootfsfail | wn-block 0,0 |
| 17:29.25 | mtn | quechec: they are pretty easy to find at debian.org |
| 17:29.29 | quechec | themill: mini.iso 19MB? |
| 17:29.31 | persondatlols | wat haz u dun w poor debian |
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| 17:30.09 | persondatlols | k so yesterday i find out dat xfce sux ballz |
| 17:30.18 | persondatlols | dont use it as default |
| 17:30.19 | Zeeflo | if i remember correctly, its no longer possible to do a networking restart |
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| 17:30.28 | Zeeflo | whats the correct procedure these days? |
| 17:30.40 | quechec | themill: got it, thanks |
| 17:30.47 | Zeeflo | ifup && ifdown etc? |
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| 17:31.04 | themill | Zeeflo: if that's what you actually, want, yes. |
| 17:31.14 | debianrootfsfail | i dont know what to do now |
| 17:31.18 | debianrootfsfail | iam stuck |
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| 17:32.18 | quechec | themill: but just for interest: How to get that link (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) over the website? I mean not all people who want this link connect to IRC and ask the bot dpkg... |
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| 17:33.13 | Zeeflo | themill, its just easier then rebooting |
| 17:33.17 | mtn | quechec: they go to debian.org and look? |
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| 17:33.39 | quechec | funny mtn :) I have done that for hours |
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| 17:34.06 | mtn | quechec: takes me a few minutes, not really very funny if you can't find them. :P |
| 17:34.22 | themill | quechec: there's the news item or development->installer. Remember that you're installing the development version that's designed for developers to test out... (yes it could be slightly more visible at this stage of the release cycle) |
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| 17:35.36 | mtn | quechec: first link google search: debian wheezy netinstall iso |
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| 17:35.55 | mtn | quechec: it is amazing how that search thing can work. :P |
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| 17:36.27 | quechec | themill: so it doesn't work via `Getting Debian' |
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| 17:37.47 | themill | quechec: there are already too many ways of installing debian... getting rid of all but one cd/dvd image and the netinst would be a good start... then a lot of this could be presented much better |
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| 17:38.35 | arafel | quechec: if I google that, the first link is debian.org/distrib, followed by the various sub-bits (network install, pre-installed, live install images etc) |
| 17:38.43 | Zeeflo | thats wierd.. I have a GB router, both servers are connected with 1gb |
| 17:38.50 | Zeeflo | but its only moving files with 100mbit |
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| 17:39.10 | debianrootfsfail | nobody can help me ? |
| 17:39.19 | dysoco | aww... Emacs 24 isn't in Debian Testing repos. |
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| 17:39.49 | themill | debianrootfsfail: did you install on an encrypted lvm or similar? How did you partition your disks? |
| 17:40.20 | debianrootfsfail | no i do clean install on whole part |
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| 17:40.27 | quechec | dysoco: it's because when emacs24 was stable enough for testing, testing has already been frozen |
| 17:40.27 | debianrootfsfail | now i do blkid |
| 17:40.53 | dysoco | quechec, Oh... so Testing repos do freeze. |
| 17:40.54 | debianrootfsfail | o have install in dev sda1 sec type ext2 type ext3 |
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| 17:41.03 | debianrootfsfail | maybe this is problem? |
| 17:41.57 | quechec | dysoco: yes. Look on this site for `freeze': https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
| 17:42.11 | debianrootfsfail | dev sda1 is hd0 right? in grub i have hd0,msdos1 |
| 17:42.22 | debianrootfsfail | as root |
| 17:42.32 | quechec | dysoco: and this http://release.debian.org/wheezy/freeze_policy.html |
| 17:42.37 | olytibar | hey, ip route looks fine, but I can still only access my network, not the internet: http://pastebin.com/S6D74QeL any ideas? |
| 17:42.48 | debianrootfsfail | sda5 is swap and sdb1 is ntfs |
| 17:42.50 | wols | debianrootfsfail: so you get the VFS panic when booting your debian from disk? |
| 17:42.58 | dysoco | ah I see then, I thought Debian Testing was like every other Rolling Release, not used to Debian you see :P |
| 17:42.59 | debianrootfsfail | yes |
| 17:43.33 | debianrootfsfail | wols do you know what is problem |
| 17:43.40 | wols | olytibar: what is the error message when you try to e.g. ping google.com or ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 17:43.58 | wols | debianrootfsfail: answer themill first |
| 17:44.11 | debianrootfsfail | idk |
| 17:44.16 | debianrootfsfail | i answer |
| 17:44.20 | wols | debianrootfsfail: do you have encrypted partitions? |
| 17:44.30 | debianrootfsfail | i think no |
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| 17:44.40 | debianrootfsfail | i go in install on whole partition |
| 17:44.49 | debianrootfsfail | i didnt select any ebcription |
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| 17:45.43 | debianrootfsfail | this is problem or what? |
| 17:45.54 | olytibar | wols: dns works due to my router, so it even resolves google.com, but I don’t get any output for ping. Same for traceroute/mtr |
| 17:45.54 | wols | no |
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| 17:46.12 | wols | olytibar: how far does traceroute get? |
| 17:46.22 | debianrootfsfail | can i fixit today :D |
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| 17:46.32 | olytibar | wols: I can see only stars |
| 17:46.35 | debianrootfsfail | somehow? |
| 17:46.46 | wols | olytibar: and how do you set up your network? |
| 17:46.49 | onionsoup | Can someone help me find a workaround to a hardware wireless switch error? Am using acer aspire one hardware, it has a fn+button combo for wireless swich |
| 17:46.59 | onionsoup | yet debian and other distros all seemingly at random disable it |
| 17:47.03 | onionsoup | and the combo does not work |
| 17:47.11 | wols | debianrootfsfail: there is more in the output than that. e.g. does it detect a sda1? |
| 17:47.24 | debianrootfsfail | no, just this |
| 17:47.30 | wols | debianrootfsfail: there is more |
| 17:47.37 | onionsoup | is there an easy way I can reprogram this, or create a keyboard shortcut to execute the 'switch' mechanism? |
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| 17:47.38 | wols | onionsoup: tried to play with rfkill? |
| 17:47.39 | debianrootfsfail | where to look? |
| 17:47.49 | onionsoup | wols, no I'll check it out |
| 17:47.51 | onionsoup | thanks |
| 17:48.05 | wols | debianrootfsfail: what is the line in your grub.cfg for your kernel? |
| 17:48.34 | onionsoup | wols this looks perfect, you're a life saver. Thankyou :) |
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| 17:48.49 | olytibar | wols: well this is simply a server (192.168.80.10) behind a router (192.168.80.1), which is definitely working, I can access my cable modem outside of it, which is still in 192.168.0.0/24. |
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| 17:49.13 | olytibar | * 192.168.80.0/24 |
| 17:49.16 | wols | olytibar: how did you configure your system? |
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| 17:49.47 | wols | e.g. did you use the interfaces file, do you use dhcp, is it a LAN, is it a WLAN, etc? |
| 17:49.49 | debianrootfsfail | linux boot vmliniz 2.6.32-5 root= someuid ro quiet |
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| 17:50.26 | debianrootfsfail | and initrd and initrd.img kernel ver |
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| 17:51.26 | wols | remove the "quiet". and you can also change the root= to root=/dev/sda1 |
| 17:51.38 | wols | without the quiet you get more technical info from the kernel |
| 17:52.51 | olytibar | wols: oh, it is a LAN, I use dhcp but this computer has a fixed ip. I used the interface file to enable wol. |
| 17:53.32 | wols | what is in your interfaces file then? |
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| 17:54.31 | lind | Hi is there a command like wget for getting a file of the web via shell that is only like hitting a button and then save? |
| 17:54.49 | lind | would be very useful |
| 17:55.05 | debianrootfsfail | no filesistem coul mount root fs tried kernel pabic vfs unable to mount root fs ob unkbown blocl wb-block 0,0 pid 1 com swaper not tainted |
| 17:55.26 | olytibar | wols: http://pastebin.com/2f38iRSZ I didn't change the file for a long time, I don’t see a reason why it suddenly stopped working. |
| 17:55.27 | debianrootfsfail | need more? |
| 17:55.29 | wols | debianrootfsfail: with /dev/sda1 ? |
| 17:55.33 | debianrootfsfail | yes |
| 17:55.51 | wols | debianrootfsfail: file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 17:55.54 | lind | I may not have phrased that right I mean like in web browser clicking link in order to dl file |
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| 17:56.13 | debianrootfsfail | what is this wolf |
| 17:56.14 | lind | I just want to do this only on the command line |
| 17:56.15 | debianrootfsfail | wols |
| 17:56.18 | dysoco | How should I install the Virtualbox guest additions in Debian? What package do I get? |
| 17:56.22 | debianrootfsfail | wait to go in rescue |
| 17:56.24 | dysoco | or do I build it from the VBox iso? |
| 17:56.26 | wols | debianrootfsfail: a command |
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| 17:56.55 | wols | dysoco: get the version of guest additions of the vbox you run. |
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| 17:57.12 | wols | dysoco: so which vbox version did you install on your host OS? |
| 17:57.28 | Zeeflo | this is bad :/ |
| 17:57.34 | debianrootfsfail | can j run rescue in live or sda1 |
| 17:57.38 | wols | dysoco: and you need to install kernel headers and build-essential before installing guest additions |
| 17:57.53 | lind | does anyone know a shell command to use like wget http://site.com/filebutton.html |
| 17:57.54 | wols | debianrootfsfail: you are in rescue mode right now right? |
| 17:58.03 | debianrootfsfail | no im runnig |
| 17:58.10 | debianrootfsfail | but where to run |
| 17:58.15 | Zeeflo | this server is actually outperformed by a server with an i7 990x single CPU with 8 cores... :/ |
| 17:58.19 | debianrootfsfail | on sda1 or from live |
| 17:58.23 | Zeeflo | this proliant aint "all" that.. |
| 17:58.26 | wols | debianrootfsfail: what linux are you running right now that has access to this debian installations? |
| 17:58.34 | wols | Zeeflo: duh! |
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| 17:58.43 | debianrootfsfail | debian 6 |
| 17:58.57 | debianrootfsfail | now iam on phone |
| 17:59.06 | Zeeflo | :/ |
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| 17:59.24 | wols | debianrootfsfail: and how did you boot this debian 6? |
| 17:59.29 | lind | Does anyone know how to download via shell a file that just includes clicking a button then save in a web browser |
| 17:59.35 | Zeeflo | i had better hopes for this server... |
| 17:59.41 | Zeeflo | its costs 5 times as much |
| 17:59.49 | debianrootfsfail | i install on sda1 with netinstall |
| 17:59.54 | debianrootfsfail | from live cd |
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| 18:01.03 | debianrootfsfail | can i run rescue on live cd on sda1 to input this command you give me |
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| 18:01.07 | lind | It seems rather counter productive to dl to home machine and then upload via scp sftp then directly to server |
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| 18:01.19 | wols | debianrootfsfail: you should be able to open a terminal and run it then |
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| 18:02.17 | debianrootfsfail | linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data uid |
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| 18:02.53 | debianrootfsfail | but in grub i have ext2 |
| 18:03.00 | debianrootfsfail | maybe this is problem |
| 18:03.03 | debianrootfsfail | or not |
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| 18:03.39 | wols | grub is not a problem your linux kernel is panicking, not grub |
| 18:03.46 | tmmunq | im trying to install debian 6 on a server with broadcom 5720. im trying to load the firmware from usb, but debian cant read the device? it loads fine on my desktop, which is also debian 6. any suggestions? |
| 18:04.02 | [z_z] | lind... you want what? if there is something you want to download to your server. ssh to the server and do a wget on the url. |
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| 18:04.10 | debianrootfsfail | what to do thwn wols |
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| 18:04.56 | wols | check the kernel output for "sda1" or any other harddisk related messages |
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| 18:05.13 | debianrootfsfail | how |
| 18:05.19 | debianrootfsfail | iam noob bro |
| 18:05.22 | debianrootfsfail | lol |
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| 18:06.08 | wols | what system is this? what motherboard? lspci -nn |grep controller shows what? |
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| 18:06.57 | debianrootfsfail | show some via |
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| 18:07.06 | debianrootfsfail | snd ati graphic |
| 18:07.14 | debianrootfsfail | via audio |
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| 18:07.42 | debianrootfsfail | nothing else |
| 18:07.50 | boudiccas | how can i get root to use $USERS .bashrc please? is there a 'global .bashrc'? |
| 18:08.13 | wols | boudiccas: /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 18:08.25 | Zeeflo | Would my server perform better if I upgraded the image or to wheezy? |
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| 18:08.38 | boudiccas | wos#lsbrilliant, thanks |
| 18:08.45 | wols | Zeeflo: define "better" |
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| 18:08.59 | Zeeflo | encode with ffmpeg faster |
| 18:09.06 | debianrootfsfail | wols do you have any solution :-[ |
| 18:09.12 | jelly | Zeeflo: no. |
| 18:09.51 | jelly | Zeeflo: the correct answer to that is "benchmark with your real workload, then come back and tell us the answer" |
| 18:10.22 | Zeeflo | i get around 70fps less |
| 18:10.26 | Zeeflo | then the i7 server |
| 18:10.28 | wols | Zeeflo: for that you want more cores at a higher clock basically. aka: new hardware |
| 18:10.33 | boudiccas | bugger! wrong question! lets try again. |
| 18:10.50 | Zeeflo | jelly, which CPU's could I replace the ones in it, with? |
| 18:11.05 | jelly | I have no idea, sorry |
| 18:11.33 | boudiccas | how can i get ROOT to be able to use $USERS .bash_aliases please? |
| 18:11.38 | jelly | Zeeflo: how many streams are you encoding at a time? |
| 18:11.51 | Zeeflo | jelly, 1 |
| 18:11.55 | jelly | Zeeflo: why? |
| 18:12.05 | Zeeflo | 1 video and 1 audio stream |
| 18:12.12 | Zeeflo | to 1 output file |
| 18:12.13 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: just copy it over into /root if you want. Or set it system wide for shells with PS1 defined. |
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| 18:12.21 | Zeeflo | jelly, why what? |
| 18:12.39 | jelly | Zeeflo: why not run multiple jobs in parallel |
| 18:12.50 | jelly | why just one |
| 18:13.13 | Zeeflo | so you mean, tell ffmpeg to use 8 threads and then have 2 jobs at the time? |
| 18:13.18 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: thanks. it helps if you ask the right question boudiccas ! :) |
| 18:13.24 | Zeeflo | using all 16 at a time? |
| 18:14.16 | jelly | Zeeflo: something like that |
| 18:14.43 | wols | jelly: encoders are embarrassinly parallel, no? |
| 18:14.45 | Zeeflo | would that not just lower the fps per job resulting at 70fps in the end anyways? |
| 18:14.51 | jelly | wols: not really |
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| 18:15.01 | jelly | Zeeflo: benchmark it and tell us! |
| 18:15.04 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 18:15.31 | wols | jelly: so where is the limit? |
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| 18:15.58 | jelly | wols: at least the free ones (ffmpeg) have recent multithreading capabilities, not fully exploited yet |
| 18:15.59 | lind | [z_z]: sorry was looking on web I am in SSH on server and wget just get the "button html" before the save option |
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| 18:16.26 | jelly | wols: but I don't work with them, so that's just hearsay |
| 18:17.00 | jelly | Zeeflo: also see what happens if you disable voltage and frequency scaling from the proliant bios. |
| 18:17.09 | lind | this seems like a trivial problem that should be a easy option on wget or something to hop through the link and save on shell |
| 18:17.21 | Zeeflo | jelly, it drops to around 38-40fps with only 8 threads |
| 18:17.34 | themill | lind: I don't think anyone has any idea what you mean by "button html" |
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| 18:17.37 | jelly | 38*2=76 |
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| 18:17.51 | Zeeflo | its at 44 |
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| 18:17.55 | wols | is using handbrake x264. and I haven't heard anyone even telling me about a better h264 codec yet. but I don't know much about codecs except that videocards don't work very well. fast but bad quality |
| 18:17.57 | Zeeflo | im starting second job now |
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| 18:18.35 | jelly | wols: not free ones |
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| 18:18.51 | wols | even payware |
| 18:19.07 | lind | themill: when you don't have a direct link to a file on the web |
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| 18:19.26 | themill | lind: so what does this button do? it is javascript? is it a POST? |
| 18:19.33 | lind | you first click a link to get the option to save the file in a GUI environment |
| 18:19.41 | Zeeflo | jelly, I get 40fps steady on each job |
| 18:19.51 | Zeeflo | thats a 10fps increase total |
| 18:20.09 | Zeeflo | should I disable the things you just said and return with an answer? |
| 18:20.11 | lind | POST maybe not javascript |
| 18:20.29 | jelly | Zeeflo: now try 4 jobs! (etc etc, obviously there's room for testing things) |
| 18:20.41 | themill | lind: curl can quite happily construct the POST |
| 18:20.50 | Zeeflo | the load average is around 5 |
| 18:20.59 | Zeeflo | memory usage is only 1GB though |
| 18:21.00 | jelly | Zeeflo: that's bad |
| 18:21.02 | lind | how would I do the curl command? |
| 18:21.11 | lind | curl -O? |
| 18:21.19 | Zeeflo | load average: 4.67, 4.07, 3.35 |
| 18:21.25 | themill | lind: also look at -F |
| 18:21.32 | jelly | Zeeflo: a fully loaded 16 core would have a loadavg of about 16 |
| 18:21.48 | Zeeflo | i should be able to do 2 more jobs then |
| 18:21.54 | Zeeflo | atleast |
| 18:21.54 | jelly | Zeeflo: this means around 12 cores sit idle |
| 18:22.08 | Zeeflo | not if I look at htop :D |
| 18:22.15 | Zeeflo | theyre all working like crazy |
| 18:22.30 | Zeeflo | but, ill try a third job now |
| 18:22.51 | jelly | you'll probably hit a sweet spot at 8-12 jobs, since threading apparently doesn't get you much with ffmpeg-dmo |
| 18:23.51 | lind | okay I want to via shell download this service pack for office http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=26622 |
| 18:23.59 | Zeeflo | loadaverage with 3 jobs is 8 |
| 18:24.01 | jelly | Zeeflo: did you build your own ffmpeg or are you using the old one from squeeze |
| 18:24.04 | Zeeflo | 9 |
| 18:24.13 | Zeeflo | im using Bureks build |
| 18:24.14 | lind | this is the "button" url http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/confirmation.aspx?id=26622 |
| 18:24.18 | Zeeflo | standalone build |
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| 18:25.09 | jelly | good |
| 18:25.11 | Zeeflo | the jobs are at around 35fps |
| 18:25.28 | Zeeflo | 105fps total |
| 18:25.31 | Zeeflo | ~ |
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| 18:25.45 | Zeeflo | starting 4th job now |
| 18:26.27 | Zeeflo | loadaverage is roughly 15 now |
| 18:26.32 | Zeeflo | 16 |
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| 18:26.42 | lind | themill: any idea? |
| 18:27.00 | Zeeflo | steady at 16 |
| 18:27.02 | lind | and for the record I dislike M$ |
| 18:27.09 | Zeeflo | I dont thinj it should handle more jobs! |
| 18:27.11 | Zeeflo | think |
| 18:27.18 | themill | lind: good luck, you'll need it. |
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| 18:27.37 | lind | it seems very trivial |
| 18:27.56 | jelly | Zeeflo: well, there's no need for a blow-by-blow. I'd test with more jobs and then reduce the thread count and do it all again |
| 18:28.20 | Zeeflo | im hitting 25fps pr job now |
| 18:28.23 | lind | well it's almost done after a slow upload |
| 18:28.28 | themill | lind: if they wanted you to be able to download it directly with wget or curl, they would have given you a nice link. They don't do that because they want you to jump through hoops. |
| 18:28.42 | Zeeflo | loadaverage is 19 now |
| 18:28.55 | lind | well it's just about done |
| 18:29.15 | lind | doing it the dumb way and dled and finishing upload |
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| 18:31.25 | _martin | hi I created a dep package and it asks me to write a description for the package. When i Press enter it makes an enter in the shell/description but my description is finish |
| 18:31.35 | _martin | how can i tell him that i want to step to the nex command? |
| 18:32.26 | themill | _martin: how are you creating this package? dh-make or something? |
| 18:32.38 | _martin | checkinstall -D make install |
| 18:32.46 | [z_z] | probebly an escape like a . on an empty line or something. |
| 18:32.54 | themill | or ^D |
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| 18:33.33 | _martin | ah thanks |
| 18:33.36 | _martin | works |
| 18:34.37 | _martin | hm it fails to build the package. I got here /usr/bin/checkinstall: line 1763: /usr/bin/sensible-pager: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.09 | _martin | so the command sensible-pager doesnt exist? |
| 18:35.49 | themill | do you have the sensible-utils package installed? |
| 18:36.39 | _martin | no i will get them now thanks |
| 18:37.05 | themill | what sort of debian is this? |
| 18:37.10 | _martin | sarge |
| 18:37.16 | themill | pfft |
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| 18:48.13 | babilen | _martin: You are well aware that sarge is /ancient/ and that you should have upgraded to something supported (squeeze, maybe wheezy) quite some time ago. Let us know if you need help with this, but "/msg dpkg sarge" might contain some pointers. (I would also consider a new install) |
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| 18:49.05 | ViStefan | Hello. Day or two ago i've asked here about starting of using Debian on HP Laptop. There were some guys, that helped me, and i decided to try Debian Live Image, to make sure, that my hardware is really compatible with Debian. After test, i see that driver of network adapter (wireless too) is not compatible with my laptop, so i can't browse internet in debian now. Also i've troubles with... |
| 18:49.07 | ViStefan | ...keyboard driver (there is some multimedia keys like volume setting or brightness, and LED indicators on such keys like CapsLock). I tried Ubuntu Live Image too. In Ubuntu there was no troubles with Network and less troubles with keyboard, but was some troubles in other pieces too. So, i tried to google some useful guide for drivers in debian, but can't found. Help by link, if you know, please. |
| 18:49.26 | _martin | okay thanks babilen |
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| 18:54.00 | RICCARDO | hi |
| 18:54.00 | Criten | How do you had a group to a user? |
| 18:54.08 | RICCARDO | list! |
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| 18:54.52 | canvon | Criten: "adduser USER GROUP", possibly |
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| 18:55.26 | canvon | but you had most probably to login again after the change. you can check with "id" what groups the running session has |
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| 18:56.00 | kimia | my wireless does not work in debian 6 |
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| 18:57.18 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: sorry, copying and saving $USERS .bash_aliases to root doesn't let root use the aliases, which is what i want to do |
| 18:58.37 | kimia | please help: how to detect wireless network in debian 6? |
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| 18:59.39 | dFence | hey guys, my debian squeeze doesn't load firmware. udev seems to request it properly, but it's not loaded... (didn't change the rules or anything). any ideas? |
| 19:00.28 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: uh... of course it will. |
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| 19:00.52 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: you just stick it in /root/.bash_aliases, and source it from /root/.bashrc or whatever is appropriate |
| 19:00.53 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: well i tried it and $USER uses it , but root cant |
| 19:01.15 | lind | Any idea around when debian 7 will be released. Just curious. |
| 19:01.28 | dondelelcaro | !wir |
| 19:01.28 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 19:02.11 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: by default (i believe) taht root's .bashrc doesn't source .bash_aliases |
| 19:02.16 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: i saved it to to root's directory, restarted roots page in terminal but it cant use the same command as $USER |
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| 19:02.47 | boudiccas | zykotick9: is there anyway round it then such that root can use the aliases please? |
| 19:03.12 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: use a paste site to show us the contents of /root/.bashrc and /root/.bash_profile. |
| 19:03.15 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: compare your user's .bashrc with roots - then make necessary changes |
| 19:03.22 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: it's pretty trivial |
| 19:03.23 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: k |
| 19:05.03 | fjfalcon | и |
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| 19:06.45 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: what doi you mean by .bash_profile please? neither root nor $USER has one under that name |
| 19:07.45 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: http://dpaste.com/898916/ |
| 19:08.14 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: so add a line like ". ~/.bash_aliases" to ~/.bashrc |
| 19:08.25 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: and you probably also want to create a ~/.bash_profile with the same line in it |
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| 19:15.31 | _martin | has anyone a idea how i can solve this problem http://pastebin.com/FZF1rqeD ? |
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| 19:16.34 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: thanks, its working now. |
| 19:16.49 | dondelelcaro | _martin: uh... why are you trying to use checkinstall to install that version of gcc? |
| 19:17.07 | _martin | because on sarge is no newer gcc avaibel |
| 19:17.15 | dondelelcaro | _martin: why are you running sarge? |
| 19:17.33 | _martin | its a netgear readynas machine |
| 19:17.52 | _martin | they installed also some lenny packages because of security issues |
| 19:18.17 | _martin | so its mixed with packages of diffrend debian version :> |
| 19:18.53 | dondelelcaro | _martin: well, then in that case, the right solution is to backport a more recent version of gcc, and compile it instead of using checkinstall |
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| 19:20.01 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, you can work on whatever fixes are necessary to get a more recent kernel to work on that hardware |
| 19:20.16 | dondelelcaro | (but frankly, it's a sparc, and probably not worth the hassle) |
| 19:20.21 | _martin | :/ |
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| 19:24.01 | prodnix | Hi all I am looking for help with bcache. I know Im not in the right channel but I thought Id ask as I am running wheezy and maybe someone could point me right. I have a 60G SSD as cache for 2 500G backing disks. After about 2 mins of very fast transfer it all goes south. Im quite lost with the documentation. Its a little raw and tough to understand. Anyone have any ideas or advice would be appreciated |
| 19:26.01 | jelly-home | prodnix: 30 seconds of googling says there's a #bcache channel over on OFTC |
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| 19:26.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | WOW htop lets me mouse click and select amazing... |
| 19:26.56 | jelly-home | prodnix: OFTC, incidentally, is the same network that irc.debian.org is, and there's a #debian-next channel in there too for users of testing |
| 19:28.15 | prodnix | jelly-home: thank you :) |
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| 19:30.05 | prodnix | jelly-home: do you know of a linux storage channel? Bcache is not in debian yet so i doubt theyd care to help, I have custom kernel and custom xen so I doubt they will. |
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| 19:30.57 | jelly-home | not really |
| 19:31.06 | prodnix | thanx for your time |
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| 19:33.10 | jelly-home | that #bcache channel is upstream's, not debian's, btw |
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| 19:35.21 | xsappyx | prodnix: have you looked at the troubleshooting doc? is this on heavy read or heavy write? |
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| 19:36.01 | prodnix | xsappyx: heavy write |
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| 19:36.49 | awc737 | my wireless usb keyboard/mouse cuts out for 10-20 seconds about every 30 seconds |
| 19:37.15 | awc737 | I know the signal / hardware is good, because I just was using it on the same computer with Windows |
| 19:37.16 | prodnix | xsappyx: dont know how i missed the troubleshooter. Ill have a look through |
| 19:37.17 | xsappyx | prodnix: are you running it in writeback mode? maybe you're just filling up the cache and it slows down to your rotating disk size? are you writing anywhere near that 60G? |
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| 19:37.51 | epsilon | awc737: check syslog first |
| 19:37.53 | prodnix | xsappyx: yes writeback, Im getting nowhere near the usage of the SSD. |
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| 19:38.57 | awc737 | epsilon, which one? |
| 19:39.23 | awc737 | I am not familiar with syslog do I need to install anything |
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| 19:39.28 | prodnix | xsappyx: my setup, 2 x 500G 7200RPM 16M cache > bcache 60G SSD > LVM2 > host |
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| 19:40.28 | xsappyx | prodnix: id poke through the "TROUBLESHOOTING PERFORMANCE" section and see if any of those help.. maybe start looking at stats through dstat / iostat on those disks too and see what is fast and what is slow |
| 19:40.45 | prodnix | xsappyx: it slows down to 6MB/s and runs very unresponsively, gui freezes all the time |
| 19:41.02 | prodnix | xsappyx: thank you for your time |
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| 19:41.35 | xsappyx | prodnix: where though? is it the ssd, are the 500g disks still running constant? are any of these encrypted partitions you're writing to? |
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| 19:43.01 | prodnix | xsappyx: I know what your sayin, didnt mean the last response. Would have responded if I saw it :) |
| 19:43.13 | prodnix | wouldnt* |
| 19:43.19 | prodnix | thank you :) |
| 19:43.40 | Leoneof | hey, in wheezy + xfce, i see programs like gedit and others are without themes gtk3 , how to fix this? |
| 19:43.55 | canvon | awc737: in a terminal window, try "less /var/log/syslog". perhaps as root |
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| 19:48.46 | awc737 | lol canvon that worked but how do I skip to the bottom of this dang log |
| 19:49.40 | canvon | awc737: press "G" (shift+G). press "h" to get a help screen, "q" to exit that help screen, and another "q" to exit less alltogether |
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| 19:52.02 | awc737 | canvon, thanks |
| 19:52.19 | awc737 | canvon, epsilon , I don't know exactly what I'm looking for relating to the mouse, but here is the last few minutes |
| 19:52.19 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/g77 |
| 19:52.26 | awc737 | it definitely happened a few times within that log |
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| 19:56.43 | canvon | awc737: looks like you'd have a hardware USB problem, to me. or a buggy driver. never seen something like that before |
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| 19:58.37 | awc737 | canvon, can you tell which areas are relevant to the USB? |
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| 19:59.57 | canvon | awc737: those ehci_hcd, xhci_hcd lines. and especially those "usb 3-2: reset full-speed USB device" ones |
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| 20:00.13 | canvon | the latter probably is when your wireless keyboard hangs |
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| 20:05.53 | xsappyx | awc737: is that donged attached to a hub or directly in? maybe try different port(s) |
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| 20:40.03 | Leoneof | where's compiz in wheezy? |
| 20:40.05 | Leoneof | !compiz |
| 20:40.05 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:24.45 | justinh | Hi there folks. Hopefully somebody can help. I'm literally pulling my hair out trying to configure postfix, sasl, mysql & dovecot. Basic unauthenticated email is fine, but add auth to the mix & things aren't working as they should. It probably doesn't help that I'm trying to make it work with Thunderbird too, but hey.. anybody know of an *authoratative* howto for Squeeze ? Some I found seem to miss out important inform |
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| 21:26.07 | justinh | then there are the 'control panel' methods which have worked *great* for email but I really don't like their installation method (copy some tmp directory onto / !) - and their uninstall methods can be no better. yeah, dropping a database *can* be achieved by wiping out /var/lib/mysql but er.. I'd rather not |
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| 21:28.02 | nkuttler | justinh: do you have a specific question? |
| 21:30.45 | justinh | nkuttler: just if anybody knows of a howto for setting up a mail server with authenticated login for virtual domains/users which actually worked for them |
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| 21:31.45 | nkuttler | justinh: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> the problem with howtos/tutorials is that they are often out of date or promote bad practices |
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| 21:32.13 | justinh | nkuttler: yes, that's been my experience from starting out to where I am now |
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| 21:32.23 | nkuttler | justinh: so check the packaged docs |
| 21:32.50 | justinh | ah good ole man. Great idea, so often overlooked. |
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| 21:34.54 | genoobie | hey all |
| 21:35.03 | genoobie | I was experimenting with different *nixes |
| 21:35.33 | genoobie | and there are basically two options |
| 21:35.41 | genoobie | 1) minimal install / add stuff |
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| 21:35.53 | genoobie | 2) expanded install / optimize and trim |
| 21:36.04 | genoobie | what do people think of this general strategy? |
| 21:36.14 | nkuttler | genoobie: 1. |
| 21:37.12 | genoobie | nkuttler assuming I have good network access, what debian would you recommend |
| 21:37.17 | justinh | modern linuxes can come with a lot of unwanted stuff, and if you care about disk space much.. it'd be better to start with a minimal base & only add what you need |
| 21:37.29 | genoobie | I have an older PIII 800MHz with some quirky hardware |
| 21:37.34 | genoobie | lots of disk space |
| 21:37.37 | genoobie | 384MB ram |
| 21:37.40 | nkuttler | genoobie: what are the choices? |
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| 21:37.52 | genoobie | and I'd like it to be smooth / with few hiccups |
| 21:37.53 | nkuttler | i prefer 1. no matter how powerful the box is |
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| 21:38.02 | justinh | another vote for 1. |
| 21:38.07 | larks | 1 here too |
| 21:38.13 | zykotick9 | more 1 here |
| 21:38.19 | justinh | not that I care much about HDD space. storage has never been cheaper :-) |
| 21:38.20 | larks | I always do 1, no matter what I install |
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| 21:38.27 | genoobie | okay, easier to add stuff than remove |
| 21:38.53 | zykotick9 | debian's netinst provides a cruft free base on which to build |
| 21:38.58 | genoobie | okay, so I have PIII 800 MHz, Laptop, Savage S3 video, b43 legacy wireless pcmcia |
| 21:39.24 | streuner__ | well, throw that piece of shit to trash |
| 21:39.30 | genoobie | 384MB ram and a intell 440 mobo I think |
| 21:39.30 | justinh | wouldn't expect to be able to play youtube fullscreen then ;-) |
| 21:39.35 | genoobie | no |
| 21:39.36 | genoobie | not really |
| 21:39.38 | streuner__ | sorry, but its the truth |
| 21:39.38 | genoobie | :) |
| 21:39.57 | justinh | it might make an OK terminal |
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| 21:40.03 | genoobie | streuner, actually I am running "puppylinux" and I can stream youtube 240p |
| 21:40.12 | genoobie | nothing fancy for my kids, it'll work |
| 21:40.28 | genoobie | but I was thinking that I'd like to get a bit more oout of it |
| 21:40.33 | streuner__ | genoobie: its not enough to run Debian in these days |
| 21:40.37 | genoobie | so I was thinking debian |
| 21:40.41 | genoobie | oh |
| 21:40.53 | genoobie | streuner_ why do you say? |
| 21:41.05 | genoobie | this is jwm and openbox de |
| 21:41.09 | genoobie | I think it's decent |
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| 21:41.29 | genoobie | can't have a million windows open, but the fact it can run flash |
| 21:41.33 | nkuttler | genoobie: use it as a thin client? assuming lan |
| 21:41.53 | genoobie | nkuttler you mean have a server somewhere? |
| 21:41.57 | genoobie | like an xclient? |
| 21:42.12 | genoobie | sounds like a bit of a headache... |
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| 21:42.33 | nkuttler | genoobie: never mind if you need video |
| 21:42.46 | genoobie | I'm pretty sure a minimal install + twm would work fine |
| 21:42.50 | genoobie | slackware maybe? |
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| 21:45.06 | genoobie | oh well |
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| 21:47.09 | Leoneof | where's compiz for wheezy? |
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| 21:56.27 | mmnicolas | Leoneof: not there |
| 21:56.47 | Leoneof | mmnicolas: why? |
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| 21:56.54 | mmnicolas | Leoneof: not cool enough |
| 21:57.02 | Leoneof | what! |
| 21:57.17 | genoobie | streuner_ are you still here? |
| 21:57.35 | mmnicolas | yep, unfixed bugs and all, in the end it was deemed unsuitable for debian |
| 21:57.51 | streuner_ | genoobie: sure |
| 21:58.09 | genoobie | why is that hardware "not enough to run debian" these days |
| 21:58.20 | Leoneof | mmnicolas: so it will be in stable when possible? |
| 21:58.41 | mmnicolas | Leoneof: I think it's still is in sid |
| 21:59.18 | Leoneof | mmnicolas: yes, but if they fixed bugs, it will be in stable? |
| 21:59.28 | canvon | it is, see output of "rmadison compiz" |
| 21:59.30 | mmnicolas | Leoneof: no |
| 21:59.48 | canvon | *it is in sid |
| 21:59.49 | mmnicolas | Leoneof: may eventually be available as a backport when wheezy is released |
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| 22:00.04 | Leoneof | ok, thanks for info :D |
| 22:00.08 | streuner_ | genoobie: if you want to use that hardware for a desktop system , it isnt enough, IMO |
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| 22:01.14 | mmnicolas | depends on what kind of desktop use |
| 22:01.41 | streuner_ | genoobie: the reasons are caused by modern browsers nowadays, thats the main reason, IMO |
| 22:02.06 | mmnicolas | yea, you need at least a dedicated core and 2gb of ram to run flashplayer |
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| 22:02.28 | mmnicolas | as I often say, Adobe's Flashplayer is one of the best stress test out there |
| 22:02.33 | tmyklebu | is there a command like 'apt-get fetchdeb' or something like that? |
| 22:03.07 | streuner_ | tmyklebu: what do you mean by "apt-get fetchdeb"? |
| 22:03.28 | tmyklebu | streuner_: i say apt-get fetchdeb libc6 and i get a libc6-*.deb in the cwd. |
| 22:03.32 | mmnicolas | tmyklebu: as in "download only" ? there is --download-only |
| 22:03.36 | tmyklebu | oh. |
| 22:04.02 | tmyklebu | mmnicolas: that seems to pull in all of the dependencies. |
| 22:04.10 | streuner_ | tmyklebu: that, or just use packages.debian.org/<package> |
| 22:04.15 | tmyklebu | aha. |
| 22:04.25 | jhutchins_wk | tylkas: I believe you can also specify where the packages will be downloaded, check the manpage. |
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| 22:06.23 | tmyklebu | streuner_: thanks a bunch. |
| 22:06.33 | streuner_ | you are welcome |
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| 22:09.00 | genoobie | I mean I run a flash app with a bit of lag |
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| 22:10.08 | streuner_ | flash is a PITA in Linux, but if you havent enough RAM it becomes a nightmare |
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| 22:12.08 | streuner_ | genoobie: youtube-dl |
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| 22:23.03 | masterkorp | Hello |
| 22:23.20 | masterkorp | Can I use the debian CD to boot to a USB stick |
| 22:23.33 | masterkorp | I am trying to install debian on a old computer |
| 22:23.42 | masterkorp | I downloaded debian 6 |
| 22:23.49 | masterkorp | but i dont have a cd burner |
| 22:24.16 | masterkorp | I tough have a old debian 5 cd |
| 22:24.54 | Xizor | you can used the floppy http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 22:25.23 | masterkorp | no floppy eithe |
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| 22:25.43 | masterkorp | *either |
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| 22:28.42 | masterkorp | Any help ? |
| 22:30.01 | frakk | Hi! I have just installed a fresh debian installation, but I'm having trouble with wireless. I am able to connect to my wifi, but I am unable to communicate with internet. No browser, no ping, no nothing. Any idea what the problem might be? |
| 22:30.42 | larks | can you ping the router? |
| 22:31.12 | BenNZ | frakk: perhaps you need to install firmware or a driver for your device |
| 22:31.35 | frakk | larks: no, actually not :o |
| 22:32.06 | EmleyMoor | frakk: Do you know which wireless chipset you have? |
| 22:32.08 | larks | I doubt you're connected to the wifi then, how are you trying to connect? |
| 22:32.17 | frakk | BenNZ: I did the netinstall and debian promted me to insert my non-free drivers. I did this during installation and everything seemed to be fine |
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| 22:35.47 | frakk | EmleyMoor: not sure. how do i find out? |
| 22:36.02 | frakk | (I seem to be missing the commands I would use in Ubuntu) |
| 22:36.16 | EmleyMoor | frakk: lspci -nn maybe... |
| 22:36.58 | frakk | The non-fre drivers I inserted during installation was iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode and iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode btw |
| 22:37.12 | frakk | EmleyMoor: command not found :) |
| 22:37.20 | frakk | alas, that was the command I was thinking of |
| 22:37.36 | EmleyMoor | Ah... so it's an Intel 5000... |
| 22:38.27 | frakk | how is it possible that I'm connected to my wifi, but can't even ping the router? |
| 22:38.48 | EmleyMoor | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 22:39.21 | EmleyMoor | If you're using the wrong driver or firmware, it can be "partially working" |
| 22:39.38 | masterkorp | any ideas ? |
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| 22:40.04 | frakk | would think that the netinstall should guide me to the correct ones (probably main reason I chose that route) :P oh well, I will try this |
| 22:40.08 | frakk | thanks! |
| 22:40.14 | frakk | I'll let you know how it turned out |
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| 22:45.26 | frakk | it worked! |
| 22:45.53 | frakk | strange thing though.. the software was already installed |
| 22:46.06 | frakk | I just did the modprobe stuff and reconnected and voila |
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| 22:51.13 | hammed | openvz unable to start init, someone know why that? |
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| 22:57.38 | CuBe0wL | hi all! how common is to create a new user group for a command in /usr/sbin, so I can allow a normal user to run it without sudo? |
| 22:58.13 | CuBe0wL | I'd like to make a simple shellscript to send my pc to sleep with rtcwake |
| 22:58.26 | CuBe0wL | but that's in /usr/sbin |
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| 22:59.13 | CuBe0wL | I thought if I make a new usergroup eg. rtcwake, allow that group to run the command, and add my normal dekstop user to that group |
| 22:59.27 | CuBe0wL | that should work without much pain, right? |
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| 23:04.03 | rhot | Im trying to install debian 7.0 from a USB drive but only GRUB command line appears. What happened? |
| 23:04.17 | rhot | GRUB version is 1.99 |
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| 23:05.48 | zykotick9 | rhot: grub on the usb? what image are you using, not the regular ISO i take it (follow up question is, why not?) |
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| 23:06.30 | rhot | zykotick9, I downloaded it from http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 23:07.21 | zykotick9 | rhot: i don't think grub is on the usual iso? i can't explain what you are experiencing. |
| 23:07.37 | rhot | I have no idea if it is regular or not, I managed to write it the USB drive by mounting it. |
| 23:07.54 | rhot | hmm |
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| 23:08.07 | zykotick9 | rhot: "mounting it" you'd typically use cat (or dd) to put the image on usb... |
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| 23:09.18 | rhot | zykotick9, first mount USB drive, then mount iso image, and then just copy from one to another. |
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| 23:09.35 | zykotick9 | rhot: that's probably NOT gonna work. |
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| 23:10.04 | rhot | why not? GRUB is loaded |
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| 23:10.20 | zykotick9 | !tell rhot about usb install |
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| 23:10.43 | rhot | zykotick9, just it doesn't show any entries as usual |
| 23:11.19 | zykotick9 | rhot: you should NOT be seeing grub on the cd (usb in your case) |
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| 23:13.57 | rhot | zykotick9, then I am lost. |
| 23:14.28 | zykotick9 | rhot: yes you are. you should create teh USB using the directions provided by debian. |
| 23:16.19 | rhot | zykotick9, how do I know if my debian DVD installer is isohybrid? |
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| 23:16.43 | zykotick9 | rhot: if it's squeeze or later (wheezy in this case) = it is. |
| 23:18.03 | zykotick9 | rhot: the real answer is "file -k foo.iso" you should see "x86 boot sector" listed |
| 23:18.25 | rhot | ok, I used dd command before, but without syns. Does it make sense? |
| 23:18.34 | rhot | sync* |
| 23:18.56 | zykotick9 | rhot: seeing as you don't want to follow the given directions = i can't help you. best of luck. |
| 23:19.45 | rhot | zykotick9, I didn't know about sync! Now I know it. |
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| 23:20.10 | neon__ | I have a problem that sound sometimes can't be shared between two apps |
| 23:20.14 | zykotick9 | rhot: and is dd the same as cat? (in this case it should work, but you want to do things your own way) |
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| 23:20.40 | neon__ | like if youtube runs, then I can't hear sound from wine apps |
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| 23:21.30 | zykotick9 | neon__: that's a common problem for me as well, when i use alsa. it's less then perfect at sharing, i guess it didn't learn that as a child ;) |
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| 23:21.53 | Androidfan349 | hello |
| 23:22.03 | erob | yo |
| 23:22.55 | erob | Androidfan349, do you like the waves when they pass into your cranium cavity? |
| 23:23.36 | erob | just sayin, Androidfan349 |
| 23:24.10 | Androidfan349 | that,s |
| 23:24.15 | Androidfan349 | is creppie men |
| 23:24.27 | blixten | yey creppie men! |
| 23:24.47 | erob | perhaps its because i have empathy for you, even though i have no idea if you're my enemy or not. |
| 23:24.49 | Androidfan349 | i want learn linux |
| 23:25.15 | erob | sure, you come to the right place. |
| 23:25.27 | Androidfan349 | ;D |
| 23:25.38 | Androidfan349 | where are u from |
| 23:25.54 | erob | Earth, in some distant galaxy. |
| 23:26.05 | Androidfan349 | haha |
| 23:26.14 | erob | u? |
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| 23:26.50 | Androidfan349 | Peru |
| 23:26.56 | Androidfan349 | sudamerica |
| 23:27.26 | erob | cool... a warm place near the equatorial line i believe... i wish to go there one day |
| 23:27.29 | Androidfan349 | u are stoned???? |
| 23:27.50 | erob | not very much.. im afraid.. |
| 23:28.08 | erob | do you smoke pot in Peru? |
| 23:28.26 | veryape | no, that is unheard of in peru.. no-one does it |
| 23:28.33 | veryape | oO |
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| 23:28.39 | wolfmitchell | On debian wheezy and debian squeeze's installers, when configuring apt-get, I get that the mirror does not support the specified release in VT4... |
| 23:28.41 | erob | okay |
| 23:28.44 | wolfmitchell | thats on every mirror |
| 23:29.04 | erob | kewl |
| 23:29.11 | Androidfan349 | -cd erobplace |
| 23:29.32 | Androidfan349 | doesn't work |
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| 23:29.51 | themill | erob, Androidfan349: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with? |
| 23:29.52 | erob | :D |
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| 23:30.12 | erob | themill: why, i suppose its because u want to ban me.. if so go ahead my friend |
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| 23:30.24 | erob | you're living in a free world! |
| 23:30.49 | streuner | thats a wrong answer |
| 23:30.57 | erob | but thinking about about.. i might have a few deb questions.. |
| 23:31.09 | streuner | so, go ahead |
| 23:31.13 | erob | okay |
| 23:31.36 | erob | first, is there any xorg-server devel pre built package somewhere ? |
| 23:31.44 | Androidfan349 | why i cant play dota 2 in my debido?. |
| 23:31.57 | Androidfan349 | debían? |
| 23:32.00 | erob | whats dota2? |
| 23:32.13 | Androidfan349 | moba game |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | Androidfan349: which version of Debian do you have? |
| 23:33.08 | Androidfan349 | 6.0 |
| 23:33.22 | abrotman | need a bit more |
| 23:33.30 | erob | does it cost anything to play dota2? |
| 23:33.52 | Androidfan349 | if u want play, u need a betaket |
| 23:34.09 | erob | a what |
| 23:34.16 | erob | :) |
| 23:34.17 | krisfremen | beta key |
| 23:34.19 | abrotman | an english lesson |
| 23:34.27 | erob | okay.. |
| 23:34.44 | Androidfan349 | yup i have bad english |
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| 23:35.09 | Androidfan349 | so abrot |
| 23:35.15 | erob | i wish there could be better game development for linux.. most games looks horrible when they release it for free |
| 23:35.29 | abrotman | erob: so what are you waiting for? start coding |
| 23:35.33 | Androidfan349 | if i upgrade my deb |
| 23:35.41 | Androidfan349 | i can play dota 2 |
| 23:35.57 | Androidfan349 | ? |
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| 23:36.27 | abrotman | try it, let us know |
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| 23:36.44 | erob | abrotman: trying to learn c++... not sure this is useful... perhaps sticking with c after all is enough |
| 23:36.58 | Androidfan349 | steam for linux need a ley? |
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| 23:37.05 | Androidfan349 | key# |
| 23:37.12 | abrotman | ask them, not us |
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| 23:37.50 | irule | hi, I would like to create a fat link using linux, a regular network switch and 5 adsl gateways, is this possible? how? tips? tricks? |
| 23:38.05 | abrotman | irule: a bonded interface ? |
| 23:38.12 | abrotman | irule: or failover? |
| 23:38.55 | irule | abrotman what do you recommend? |
| 23:39.22 | irule | I want to use all 5 connections so bonded sounds better? :s |
| 23:39.25 | abrotman | irule: they're different |
| 23:39.34 | irule | load balancing |
| 23:39.36 | abrotman | irule: do all five dsl lines belong to different ISPs? |
| 23:40.03 | irule | 2 are the same ISP, then another ISP pair and then 1 from another ISP |
| 23:40.27 | geggam | cant find a switch with lacp ? |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | have you discussed having two connections with those ISPs? |
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| 23:41.01 | irule | they are big companies, the salesmen are morons basically |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | irule: that's not the point .. |
| 23:41.21 | irule | I am in a rural area, only these connections arte available :s |
| 23:41.45 | irule | what does it have to do with my goal? |
| 23:41.53 | abrotman | they may terminate your acconut |
| 23:42.39 | geggam | find a switch with lacp irule and bond the interfaces |
| 23:42.45 | geggam | get multiple nics |
| 23:43.43 | geggam | but abrotman is correct.. .the ISP's might cancel the service |
| 23:44.14 | irule | why? :s ..anyways, if I get a cancellation there are always options |
| 23:44.35 | irule | I would still like to focus on technical terms :D |
| 23:45.36 | abrotman | thinks that's a pretty technical term .. |
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| 23:48.25 | dondelelcaro | irule: if it's the same ISP and the same network in that ISP, you can usually bond them. If it's different ISPs, you have to do something else. See http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html for details. |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | in this case, seems to be a mix |
| 23:49.39 | abrotman | But not all ISPs are going to let him sustain two connections |
| 23:49.51 | dondelelcaro | right; that's for you and your ISP to figure out |
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| 23:50.10 | dondelelcaro | notes that he's done this sort of thing before, but usually with the ISP knowing |
| 23:50.32 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, if they sell you two different services to the same physical address, they really should know...) |
| 23:50.33 | irule | what are the ISP's point of view? |
| 23:51.16 | irule | actually, I think they know because I am sitting right by the 5 modems he |
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| 23:52.39 | abrotman | irule: they may not expect you to use them at the same time .. |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | irule: i'm just saying you should clarify this with them before you end up with 1 ADSL line |
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| 23:56.15 | kryl | hi, what about backup ntfs partition (with win vista) I used dd to backup & restore like normal. And don't touch the master boot record. But for the second time when I boot after restoring this partition win stay locked on the logo. Any advices please ? What am I doing wrong ? |
| 23:57.38 | streuner | kryl: dual boot? |
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| 23:59.58 | streuner | kryl: its just a windows question :-P |
