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| 00:01.58 | civillian | how can my load be 20 when I only have 1 process in the 'running' state |
| 00:02.51 | Towzzer | the load is like the wait time for a cpu |
| 00:03.14 | Towzzer | if you have 1 process and 100000 network connections on it |
| 00:03.17 | xsappyx | civillian: maybe slow IO or something waiting for data back |
| 00:03.18 | Towzzer | that will cause a high load |
| 00:03.39 | civillian | xsappyx: I will check IO now |
| 00:04.04 | civillian | iowait 90% |
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| 00:05.05 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 00:05.46 | civillian | and this is a physical machine.... hmm |
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| 00:06.13 | xsappyx | civillian: san? lots of swapping? |
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| 00:06.21 | civillian | no san |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | civillian: anytihng in /var/log/syslog ? |
| 00:07.00 | civillian | could be swap, just noticed it has only 512 MB RAM.... it's a brand new server so I doubt that's realistic |
| 00:07.10 | abrotman | brand new? |
| 00:07.22 | civillian | so I am told |
| 00:07.54 | pfdotn | It's not a Raspberry Pi or some such? |
| 00:08.00 | civillian | lol |
| 00:08.02 | Towzzer | apple IIe |
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| 00:08.46 | pfdotn | civillian: What sort of storage is attached? |
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| 00:09.25 | xsappyx | civillian: iostat -x 1 might give you a clue to which device is in high wait |
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| 00:11.59 | civillian | sda seems the culpret |
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| 00:12.10 | civillian | 3000 rrqm/s |
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| 00:22.33 | Costanza | i am going to give up on debian.. so much troubles to get it running on my UEFI pc.. managed to boot it from efi shell using grubx64.efi , installed mate and lightdm now when i boot it just shows a "-", no gui no prompt where i can type commands :( |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | well, MATE isn't in Debian ? |
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| 00:23.38 | Costanza | if you use netinstall / cd and deselect DE, then you can install mate by adding the mate repo |
| 00:24.56 | abrotman | in Debian? |
| 00:25.02 | Costanza | i forgot.. maybe i should have installed xorg too... i don't remember how i did when i tested it in vmware.. |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | which netinst did you use? |
| 00:25.12 | Costanza | yes debian wheezy b4 netinstal |
| 00:25.15 | Costanza | netinstall* |
| 00:25.45 | Costanza | ok.. i used recovery mode.. now it shows a prompt |
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| 00:26.10 | Costanza | installing xorg now.. |
| 00:26.49 | abrotman | give me a few minutes |
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| 00:27.55 | safridzal | if im not using pure debian, can i still posting question here? im using lmde kde tracking sid and the package i'd like to ask is package from sid repo |
| 00:28.05 | abrotman | safridzal: no, you should ask the Mint channel |
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| 00:28.14 | Costanza | still does not work.. when i boot normal it just shows a "-" and no prompt.. only recovery mode takes me to promp.. and no GUI |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | safridzal: or ##linux if you don't want to ask them |
| 00:28.50 | doomwake | costanza |
| 00:28.51 | doomwake | pm |
| 00:29.20 | safridzal | abrotman: kay thanks |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | Costanza: which installer did you use? do you have the link? |
| 00:32.42 | Costanza | i used both debian wheezy b4 cd1 iso and netinstall iso.. trying something now.. |
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| 00:33.34 | safridzal | i've ask on #kde too but no reply yet, so i hope pple here can help me, my akregator cannot show "date" column,even if its checked. http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/04/akregator.jpeg |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | Costanza: that's why i'm asking for the link |
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| 00:34.07 | abrotman | safridzal: this channel does not support LMDE, I already told you this. Use the Mint support channel or ##linux |
| 00:34.59 | Costanza | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:35.16 | abrotman | Costanza: i just tried, it does not give you the option to install MATE |
| 00:35.42 | abrotman | MATE is not in Debian |
| 00:35.45 | roboman2444 | nevermind, got it working |
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| 00:36.21 | Costanza | you dont get it.. when you install debian you can install it without a DE then you can install mate yourself from the mate repo |
| 00:36.39 | abrotman | Costanza: right, that's not a Debian problem anymore .. good luck |
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| 00:37.37 | streuner__ | why is MATE a big problem in Debian, its not in Debian? |
| 00:37.49 | streuner__ | there is xfce |
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| 00:39.03 | streuner__ | Costanza: just use xfce (/msg dpkg xfce) |
| 00:39.31 | zzing | I am sure this is a common question, but I must ask anyways because I cannot find it: On a [web] server what is the best file system to use in general? (so, ability to come up quickly is very nice) |
| 00:40.01 | streuner__ | dpkg, filesystems |
| 00:40.01 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3> or <ext4>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:41.56 | civillian | zfs no mention.. |
| 00:42.11 | zzing | streuner__: thank you for that. I was considering ext4, noticed that the wiki page said it did not support sparse files - but I doubt a webserver in general needs to worry about that |
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| 00:42.29 | rryoumaa | no sparse files? wow. |
| 00:43.10 | streuner__ | zzing: i have no idea about webservers, but i would use the recommends of Debian... |
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| 00:43.32 | zzing | streuner__: I have no desire to be different :P |
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| 00:44.19 | zzing | I want something that works. |
| 00:44.57 | zzing | Also something that doesn't have race conditions with dump backups of live file systems. |
| 00:45.23 | pfdotn | civillian: Because ZFS isn't supported. |
| 00:45.57 | streuner__ | ext(x) usually works, and most of the time XFS, but i prefer IBM FS, no matter, you usually need backups anyways :-P |
| 00:45.57 | pfdotn | Also interesting that xfs is 'mostly reliable'. That should be changed to "reliable, if your hardware is." |
| 00:46.07 | streuner__ | nah |
| 00:46.31 | streuner__ | xfs could be a bitch, if you installed the wrong kernel ;-) |
| 00:46.54 | streuner__ | so, mostly realiable isnt that wrong... |
| 00:47.08 | pfdotn | I suppose that's true. |
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| 00:47.20 | zzing | This hardware is a 4 year old box (core 2 quad) that is likely a standard tower. I am reinstalling because of an above bug in a certain bsd. Our new server is *brand new* and rackmount. I will love that machine. |
| 00:47.21 | pfdotn | Everyone has their own horror stories with $fs-of-choice anyway. |
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| 00:47.43 | streuner__ | so, stay with it |
| 00:47.56 | streuner__ | you are familar with it... |
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| 00:48.44 | streuner__ | (never changhing a running system...) |
| 00:49.17 | pfdotn | zzing: Use whichever fs is the default. ext4 is a good choice, so is 3, and you're likely not going to need to worry about any of the others. |
| 00:50.51 | streuner__ | pfdotn: i have with ext(x) :-P |
| 00:51.01 | rryoumaa | btrfs has snapshots. perhaps zfs does. does ext4? |
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| 00:51.15 | streuner__ | pfdotn: and with xfs... |
| 00:51.47 | engla | rryoumaa: no for ext4 |
| 00:51.48 | dondelelcaro | rryoumaa: ext* can if you use lvm. |
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| 00:52.21 | rryoumaa | so if he requires them, he has to switch |
| 00:52.27 | rryoumaa | ah |
| 00:52.31 | pfdotn | streuner__: I've had issues with ext2 and 3 as well as xfs when I had power issues. Since I've had my machines sitting behind a UPS, filesystems have been rock solid. |
| 00:52.32 | streuner__ | its always so, the history got us, you need backups in *nix, IMO |
| 00:52.53 | pfdotn | streuner__: We'll see how that lasts now that I've just moved my home storage to ReFS on Windows Server 2012. |
| 00:52.54 | rryoumaa | i always wanted to avoid lvm because it's another layer, but snapshots would be nice |
| 00:53.01 | pfdotn | streuner__: At the end of the day, backup backup backup! |
| 00:53.24 | streuner__ | pfdotn: true power issues was every time an issue (Desktop system)... |
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| 00:55.44 | SmashingX | when I type compiz --replace my compiz functions work, but after I quit the terminal no my windows have no borders and I can't switch from window to window. how can I leave my windows the way it was before typing compiz --replace |
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| 01:00.37 | engla | rryoumaa: btrfs snapshots are much nicer than lvm in every way |
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| 01:30.58 | ccrnp | Hi guys, I am trying to install debian 6.0 with 3ware 9650SE card and the installation is not detecting disk drives any suggestion please? |
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| 01:34.13 | abrotman | ccrnp: fakeraid |
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| 01:35.49 | ccrnp | seriously ? |
| 01:36.14 | abrotman | that's my guess |
| 01:36.56 | ccrnp | it works with intel E11027-101 mother board but not with Quanta S45 |
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| 01:39.15 | abrotman | oh, maybe it is real raid |
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| 01:43.41 | civillian | Isn't there an option during install to preload essential modules, or such? |
| 01:44.32 | gnarface | only in expert mode |
| 01:44.45 | gnarface | optional installer components or something like that, its called |
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| 02:04.47 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 02:04.55 | vaillor | i have a problem with mozilla ff |
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| 02:05.31 | vaillor | when i need to search something to google i usualli write it on the address bar but sometime i get 404 with http://word to earch/ |
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| 02:48.28 | passstab | is there an advantage to using the hybrid live image over usb-hdd? |
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| 02:49.23 | dvs | !wayttd passtab |
| 02:49.23 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, passtab? |
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| 02:50.14 | passstab | put Debian on a live usb |
| 02:50.22 | Vasistha | I am trying to do mkfs.ext4 -m 0 /dev/sdb2, and I get "The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly?" But when I do fdisk -l /dev/sdb it shows up very clearly. Ideas? |
| 02:50.44 | dvs | passstab: I'd use the hybrid live image. |
| 02:50.59 | passstab | why? |
| 02:51.23 | Towzzer | vasis - ls /dev/sdb2 |
| 02:51.28 | Towzzer | does it exist? |
| 02:51.37 | frostschutz | Vasistha: if you just created the partition, maybe the partition table couldn't be reread (check /proc/partitions, try sfdisk -R /dev/sda). otherwise maybe udev is broke |
| 02:51.43 | dvs | passstab: because I know it works. I've never used the usb-hdd to make a bootable live image. |
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| 02:52.32 | Vasistha | Towzzer, frostschutz: hmm, it didn't complain about creating a similar partition on sdb1 |
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| 02:52.42 | passstab | is there no real difference? |
| 02:52.49 | Towzzer | does it exist sir? |
| 02:52.55 | Vasistha | ah but indeed, /dev/sdb1 exists but /dev/sdb2 does not |
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| 02:53.23 | frostschutz | Vasistha: is it in /proc/partitions? |
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| 02:53.38 | Vasistha | frostschutz: also not there |
| 02:53.48 | frostschutz | Vasistha: sfdisk -R /dev/sdb then |
| 02:54.14 | Vasistha | frostschutz: didn't change /proc/partitions or ls /dev/sdb* |
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| 02:55.12 | frostschutz | did it say couldn't re-read / disk in use / ? |
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| 02:55.27 | Vasistha | frostschutz: no, no such warning |
| 02:56.26 | Vasistha | maybe I should unplug and plug it in again though |
| 02:56.28 | frostschutz | Vasistha: but sfdisk -d /dev/sdb or parted /dev/sdb print shows the partition to actually exist? :-O |
| 02:56.37 | frostschutz | if you can unplug it - sure |
| 02:56.57 | frostschutz | but re-reading the partition table should work if the disk is not in use (and sfdisk warns you if it is) |
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| 02:57.40 | Vasistha | frostschutz: I wonder if a "primary" partition cannot start after the 2 TB boundary or something like that |
| 02:57.48 | Vasistha | maybe I'll repartition as logical |
| 02:57.52 | Towzzer | GPT or msdos |
| 02:58.00 | frostschutz | msdos partition doesn't support >2TB usually |
| 02:58.14 | frostschutz | maybe with logical 4k sectors? ;) |
| 02:58.14 | Vasistha | ohh ... I use cfdisk, does that only have msdos mode? |
| 02:58.19 | frostschutz | yes |
| 02:58.22 | Towzzer | use parted |
| 02:58.29 | Towzzer | best console partition tool ever |
| 02:58.39 | Towzzer | do you have data the drive? |
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| 02:59.15 | Vasistha | ok I'll use parted |
| 02:59.20 | Towzzer | mklabel GPT |
| 02:59.29 | Towzzer | this will destroy the partitions, |
| 02:59.41 | Towzzer | and make sure it starts at 1 |
| 02:59.50 | Towzzer | so like parted /dev/sdb mklabel gpt |
| 03:00.10 | Towzzer | parted also has a nice cli and everything you do is applied right away |
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| 03:00.13 | frostschutz | make a backup with sfdisk -d /dev/sdb > /somewhere/safe/sdb.partitions, and read some manuals/howtos before playing with gpt. if you need to boot from that disk etc. |
| 03:00.26 | baronobeefdip | Hello I need some help with dialplans in asterisk |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | there's an asterisk channel |
| 03:00.50 | baronobeefdip | on freenode? |
| 03:01.06 | Vasistha | Towzzer: mklabel or mktable? |
| 03:01.20 | Vasistha | I used the latter |
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| 03:02.56 | baronobeefdip | I can't join the asterisk channel it is asking me that I need to be identified with a service |
| 03:03.01 | baronobeefdip | i has never done that before |
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| 03:04.12 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: /msg nickserv help |
| 03:04.27 | gnarface | (or just pick a different name) |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | how would picking a different name help? |
| 03:04.46 | gnarface | its not a name collision stopping him from going into the room? |
| 03:04.57 | gnarface | must not understand how it works |
| 03:05.00 | baronobeefdip | how do i register |
| 03:05.18 | LtL | baronobeefdip: /msg nickserv help |
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| 03:05.46 | baronobeefdip | i know but how do I register, as in how do I put in commands into the the "nickserv" |
| 03:05.52 | abrotman | gnarface: no, the channel is only open to registered/identified users .. he has to register with nickserv, and make sure he identifies |
| 03:06.06 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: /join #freenode .. ask them for help registering your nick |
| 03:06.26 | LtL | baronobeefdip: /msg nickserv <command> |
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| 03:15.42 | Vasistha | Towzzer: thanks for the help, I got it sorted out! I'll remember to use parted from now on for big drives ... and maybe littler drives also |
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| 03:42.57 | hesco | are there any kindle readers which will run on a linux desktop without having to spend money on a kindle? |
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| 03:57.20 | mmnicolas | hesco: I bet there's an online service or something |
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| 03:58.25 | noiseflux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.45 | noiseflux | calibre works for everything, basically. |
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| 03:59.13 | noiseflux | It can convert most/all popular formats. lrf, epub, mobi etc |
| 03:59.41 | protist | I want to put Debian Wheezy on this laptop: http://store.vizio.com/ct14a0.html#support .... which image do I need? |
| 04:00.13 | noiseflux | 32 or 64 bit? |
| 04:00.30 | protist | corei3...I assume 64 |
| 04:00.30 | noiseflux | he netinstall of either of those is what I would use. |
| 04:00.36 | noiseflux | the* |
| 04:00.50 | mmnicolas | protist: I'd get the unoffical cd with firmware |
| 04:01.03 | protist | i fear the netinst because it has no ethernet port and i have no wireless internet....so i would have to use my usb ethernet adapter :/ |
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| 04:01.20 | noiseflux | Then grab the other one. |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | get the multiarch installer |
| 04:01.44 | protist | noiseflux: I am mostly confused by the list or architectures |
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| 04:02.12 | protist | abrotman: wouldn't i be better off to just get the right arch? |
| 04:02.38 | mmnicolas | protist: Intel processors except maybe Atom and Xeon uses amd64 |
| 04:02.43 | noiseflux | I think you want this torrent: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-standard.iso.torrent |
| 04:02.51 | abrotman | protist: it's i386 or amd64 .. the multiarch has both, and will only let you attemp tthe amd64 if your system supports it .. sounds dead simple to me, eh ? |
| 04:03.45 | mmnicolas | the Core series are all 64 bit capable |
| 04:03.55 | protist | abrotman: true...but i assume multiarch will be a massive download if i don't want netinst? |
| 04:04.06 | protist | noiseflux: you sure that will work for the laptop I linked? |
| 04:04.06 | mmnicolas | protist: amd64. |
| 04:04.23 | protist | mmnicolas: ah sweet |
| 04:04.30 | protist | mmnicolas: so noiseflux linked the right thing? |
| 04:04.47 | noiseflux | protist: hold on |
| 04:05.06 | protist | noiseflux: kk |
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| 04:06.05 | mmnicolas | protist: just get this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:06.13 | noiseflux | protist: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ <--- choose whichever desktop environment you want, and get the iso directly from the site. Hassel free. |
| 04:06.20 | protist | mmnicolas: i dont want netinst |
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| 04:06.56 | noiseflux | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 04:07.07 | mmnicolas | I linked to wheezy, this laptop probably wasnt even built when Squeeze came out |
| 04:07.15 | protist | noiseflux: i want KDE |
| 04:07.23 | hesco | noiseflux: thanks, will look into that |
| 04:07.25 | noiseflux | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso |
| 04:07.26 | noiseflux | Cheers. |
| 04:07.35 | protist | noiseflux: thank you sir |
| 04:07.42 | protist | and thank you all other sirs *tips hat* |
| 04:08.07 | protist | noiseflux: oh wait...that page is a list of things |
| 04:08.21 | noiseflux | The last thing I linked to is the KDE .iso |
| 04:08.23 | protist | noiseflux: sorry to be a nub about this...but i don't know what to do with that |
| 04:08.24 | noiseflux | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso |
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| 04:08.50 | noiseflux | copy and paste that link into your browser, or open a terminal and type wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso |
| 04:09.00 | protist | ah |
| 04:10.20 | Tejp | Is there no way to install Debian over wifi, with no ethernet connection? |
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| 04:11.08 | engla_ | Tejp: yes, if debian supports your wifi card you can supply firmware during the netinstall |
| 04:11.16 | Tejp | I have a wifi card using the rt73usb driver. |
| 04:11.22 | Tejp | You know if that works? |
| 04:11.24 | engla_ | you need the firmware packages on an usb stick or so |
| 04:11.52 | Tejp | How would I go about doing that? |
| 04:12.10 | Tejp | I know how to install the wifi-card after Debian is installed. |
| 04:12.13 | Tejp | But not before. |
| 04:12.52 | engla_ | you are supposed to put the firmware package on an usb stick. I don't know exactly how (it says in the installation manual) |
| 04:12.53 | mmnicolas | Tejp: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 04:13.30 | Tejp | How did you find that .iso? |
| 04:13.39 | Tejp | I've been looking like, forever. |
| 04:14.29 | Tejp | I'm trying to set up a server, is that the right kind of .iso to install or is there a more server dedicated one? |
| 04:15.09 | mmnicolas | Tejp: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 04:16.03 | mmnicolas | Tejp: just uncheck what you don't want during the tasksel, or choose Expert Install if you want to fine tune it even more |
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| 04:16.26 | mmnicolas | but I'd just do it the normal way and uncheck Graphical environment at tasksel |
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| 04:16.58 | Tejp | Ah, I see. dude, thanks. You're really helpfull man. |
| 04:17.15 | damo22 | how do i force configuration of dovecot-imapd to use ipv4 sockets? it failed to open an ipv6 socket, but i didnt get to choose |
| 04:17.31 | damo22 | $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure dovecot-imapd |
| 04:17.33 | damo22 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: dovecot-imapd is broken or not fully installed |
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| 04:17.52 | somiaj | damo22: dpkg --configure dovecot-imapd |
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| 04:17.59 | somiaj | damo22: sonds like it installed but wasn't fully configured |
| 04:18.10 | somiaj | damo22: dpkg -l dovecot-imapd (What are the frist two letters) |
| 04:18.17 | mmnicolas | damo22: probably the latter, "not fully installed" apt-get -f install |
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| 04:18.45 | damo22 | iF |
| 04:19.03 | damo22 | Error: service(imap-login): listen(::, 143) failed: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 04:19.13 | damo22 | i dont have ipv6 |
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| 04:20.10 | somiaj | damo22: what version of debian are you running? what is the first two letters of 'dpkg -l dovecot-imapd' |
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| 04:21.03 | damo22 | somiaj: raspbian wheezy, |
| 04:21.17 | damo22 | first two letters = "iF" |
| 04:21.31 | somiaj | damo22: this is not support of raspbian, go get correct support |
| 04:21.37 | damo22 | oh sorry |
| 04:21.53 | somiaj | damo22: iF means it isn't fully installed, I have to look up what F means |
| 04:22.03 | excalibr | How do change the matric of network interfaces? |
| 04:22.08 | excalibr | do you |
| 04:22.23 | mmnicolas | excalibr: man interfaces |
| 04:22.58 | damo22 | i know what the problem is, i just dont know how to force dpkg to not consider failure of starting the listeners as a Fatal error |
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| 04:23.28 | somiaj | damo22: there is something wrong with the postinst script not working in rasbian, You can try to figure it out, but this isn't a #debian issue |
| 04:23.36 | damo22 | okay |
| 04:23.38 | damo22 | ty |
| 04:23.42 | somiaj | damo22: not sure if it is yoursetup, or an error in the script running on rasbian |
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| 04:27.36 | somiaj | damo22: you could check the bts and see if there is an issue, but you can't report a bug there because the issue may not be in debian. |
| 04:28.15 | damo22 | somiaj: you have been very helpful ty, i am getting support in #raspbian |
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| 04:42.35 | K|NgGh0sT | is the start-stop-daemon removed in Wheezy? |
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| 04:45.20 | Arrowmaster | K|NgGh0sT: no |
| 04:45.29 | K|NgGh0sT | hmm |
| 04:45.36 | K|NgGh0sT | then weirdly enough it never installed on a fresh install |
| 04:45.39 | K|NgGh0sT | Time to fix that then |
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| 04:49.33 | K|NgGh0sT | still having issues. Must be the script |
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| 05:25.28 | Tejp | So, I selcted the non grafical option when installing Debian, I still get the GUI when I start up, why is that? |
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| 05:29.29 | mmnicolas | Tejp: Not choosing the graphical installer and not choosing to install a graphical environment are two different things |
| 05:29.48 | mmnicolas | is that what happenned ? |
| 05:30.07 | Tejp | I picked Install. |
| 05:30.25 | Tejp | The option below that said graphical install or something like than |
| 05:30.56 | mmnicolas | This only means the "installer" will be non graphical |
| 05:31.03 | Tejp | Well darn. |
| 05:31.17 | Tejp | How would I go about installing without a GUI then? |
| 05:31.21 | Tejp | Or can I disable it? |
| 05:31.21 | mmnicolas | the question of what component to install is at the end of the installer |
| 05:31.49 | Tejp | What does it ask? |
| 05:32.04 | Tejp | So I know what to check when reinstalling it. |
| 05:32.13 | mmnicolas | it's a list with checkboxes, File server, SSH Server, Graphical environment etc |
| 05:32.51 | Tejp | So at tasksel? |
| 05:33.04 | mmnicolas | yes |
| 05:33.04 | Tejp | Which one do I uncheck then? |
| 05:33.18 | r3m | Hi, I would like to download Android Notifier, they have their own repo but i can also download the package from the web site and install it via dpkg. I think the repo method is better cause future update would be managed automatically? |
| 05:33.40 | mmnicolas | Tejp: http://www200.pair.com/mecham/debian29.GIF |
| 05:33.57 | Tejp | Brilliant. |
| 05:34.00 | Tejp | Thanks a ton mate. |
| 05:34.09 | Tejp | Must have missed it. |
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| 05:35.30 | mmnicolas | Tejp: I'm pretty sure it shows up whatever way you run the installer, choose Expert install if it really does not |
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| 05:36.09 | sdcardo | I have a Nokia 5130c-2 mobile and would like to access the information stored on the sd card via bluetooth? how can achieve that on gnu/linux? |
| 05:37.53 | sney | you had me until bluetooth |
| 05:39.31 | mmnicolas | sdcardo: with an obex ftp client |
| 05:40.08 | sdcardo | sorry, i am a desktop newbie. i do not understand what you mean |
| 05:40.21 | pippuri | For once I'd like to have up-to-date radeon drivers. How am I supposed to approach compiling and installing the latest kernel, mesa, libdrm and radeon drivers without breaking everything? |
| 05:40.41 | mmnicolas | sdcardo: I'm just giving you the right keywords for your research |
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| 05:46.35 | sdcardo | mmnicolas, thanks |
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| 05:53.41 | sdcardo | btw, Happy GNU year! |
| 05:53.52 | Tejp | Haha |
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| 05:56.32 | engla_ | hopefully 2013 will finally be the year of the debian/gnu/hurd desktop |
| 05:57.12 | Tejp | Ubuntu will release a phone OS like, in a couple of days |
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| 06:04.03 | jagginess | Tejp, so? |
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| 06:42.14 | owen1 | is there a common path to put my web apps? /var/www maybe? |
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| 06:46.52 | gnarface | owen1: its common to put them in there somewhere, yes |
| 06:46.55 | owen1 | or maybe /home/app-user/appA |
| 06:47.07 | owen1 | and /home/app-user/appB |
| 06:48.33 | owen1 | gnarface: let's say i have multiple apps, i assume it would make sure to dedicate a user that will have access to read/write on /var/www, right? |
| 06:48.45 | owen1 | it=I |
| 06:49.56 | gnarface | you mean a developer user? |
| 06:50.02 | gnarface | not the user that the app runs as |
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| 06:51.07 | owen1 | gnarface: the user that deploys and runs the app |
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| 06:51.21 | gnarface | no |
| 06:51.28 | gnarface | the user that deploys the app shoudl not be the user that runs the app |
| 06:51.42 | gnarface | and the user that runs the app should not have write access to the directory the app runs in |
| 06:51.44 | protist | i tried to do this: dd if=/home/protist/DEBIANTEST/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso of=/media/usb/ |
| 06:51.51 | gnarface | anyone who tells you otherwise is a fucking idiot, or evil |
| 06:51.59 | protist | it doesn't work...it tells me /media/usb is a directory |
| 06:52.21 | gnarface | protist: of has to be a dev node |
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| 06:52.39 | owen1 | gnarface: so i should have 'deployer' user for the deploys. |
| 06:52.42 | protist | gnarface: how should i do this? |
| 06:53.00 | gnarface | protist: just use the /dev/whatever that you mounted onto /media/usb instead |
| 06:53.13 | gnarface | protist: you should not have it mounted when you do |
| 06:53.19 | protist | gnarface: hmmm |
| 06:53.26 | gnarface | owen1: yes. the user that runs web apps already exists |
| 06:53.28 | nevyn | after you backup the contents first |
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| 06:53.58 | protist | gnarface: how do i find out where it is mounted in /dev ? |
| 06:54.12 | gnarface | protist: no, its mounted in /media/usb |
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| 06:54.26 | owen1 | gnarface: what do u mean that the user already exist? |
| 06:54.26 | gnarface | protist: what you are looking for is the /dev/ file that represents the physical device |
| 06:54.30 | Gokee2 | protist, Type mount and see what device is mounted |
| 06:54.43 | gnarface | protist: usually its output to dmesg when you plug it in |
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| 06:55.26 | Gokee2 | protist, Then use the whole device rather then a partition. Keep in mind everything on the drive you dd to will be lost |
| 06:55.28 | protist | gnarface: this looks like it: /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=protist) |
| 06:56.25 | Gokee2 | protist, Then you want to umount that and dd to /dev/sdb |
| 06:56.49 | protist | Gokee2: why umount it? |
| 06:57.07 | protist | Gokee2: and what would the complete command look like to umount it? |
| 06:57.07 | Gokee2 | protist, Cause you don't want to dd onto an active device |
| 06:57.13 | EmleyMoor | protist: Because you don't want to obliterate a mounted filesystem |
| 06:57.36 | EmleyMoor | umount /media/usb0 |
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| 06:58.09 | protist | EmleyMoor: after that i dd if=/home/protist/DEBIANTEST/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdb1 ? |
| 06:58.22 | EmleyMoor | No... sdb, not sdb1 |
| 06:58.56 | joeyy | http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 06:59.13 | protist | EmleyMoor: |
| 06:59.23 | protist | EmleyMoor: /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=protist) |
| 06:59.32 | Gokee2 | protist, Make sure no other partitions are mounted from sdb as well if you currently have more then one part on the drive. They will all be lost after the dd command |
| 07:00.04 | EmleyMoor | protist: Yes, that's a partition, you want to dd to the whole thing, not a partition |
| 07:00.07 | joeyy | wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 07:00.16 | joeyy | dmesg |
| 07:00.21 | joeyy | find usb |
| 07:00.28 | protist | could I do this: dd if=/home/protist/DEBIANTEST/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso of=/media/usb0 ? |
| 07:00.32 | Gokee2 | protist, With the dd command you are writing a new partition table to the disk. Everything you have on the drive now will be gone. Hence why you can't write to an existing partition |
| 07:00.35 | EmleyMoor | protist: No |
| 07:00.42 | EmleyMoor | of=/dev/sdb |
| 07:00.48 | joeyy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:01.12 | protist | EmleyMoor: ok so i should dd if=/home/protist/DEBIANTEST/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdb ? |
| 07:01.14 | joeyy | where sdX – is your USB device name |
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| 07:01.30 | EmleyMoor | protist: Yes |
| 07:01.37 | joeyy | #mount /dev/sdX /mnt |
| 07:01.37 | joeyy | # cp <path/to/iso/image> /mnt |
| 07:01.37 | joeyy | #umount /dev/sdX |
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| 07:02.02 | protist | EmleyMoor: even though umount told me the thing was one sdb1 before? |
| 07:02.08 | protist | EmleyMoor: s/umount/mount/ |
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| 07:02.27 | EmleyMoor | protist: They are different, but related, things |
| 07:02.39 | protist | EmleyMoor: ok :) |
| 07:02.56 | joeyy | http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 07:03.00 | Gokee2 | protist, /dev/sdb is your drive /dev/sdb1 is your current first partition of that drive that's going to be destroyed when you dd over the while drive. |
| 07:03.13 | Gokee2 | s/while/whole/ |
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| 07:03.33 | joeyy | every one shut up |
| 07:03.43 | joeyy | let him look at the site |
| 07:05.24 | Gokee2 | joeyy, No thanks, I would rather give him good advice then send him to some unknown site. Perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb would be a better site anyway. |
| 07:05.42 | joeyy | Gokee2 ur so dumb |
| 07:05.51 | protist | i just ran this dd if=/home/protist/DEBIANTEST/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-kde-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 07:05.54 | protist | now to wait :) |
| 07:06.22 | protist | joeyy: i looked, the site looks alright :)...i need to ask people to feel sure of any of this, though |
| 07:06.47 | joeyy | Gokee2 uname -a for me |
| 07:06.58 | joeyy | lets see if u are current on the kernel.org |
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| 07:07.42 | joeyy | root@atom:~# uname -a |
| 07:07.43 | joeyy | Linux atom 3.7.1-1212272232-atom #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Dec 27 22:46:05 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:08.22 | EmleyMoor | joeyy: There really is no need for most people to be on that kernel. |
| 07:08.32 | joeyy | sure there is |
| 07:08.57 | protist | EmleyMoor: i am not sure if it is in the process of `dd'ing ...or if it is awaiting input lol |
| 07:09.09 | EmleyMoor | protist: It will be in the process... just wait |
| 07:09.11 | Gokee2 | protist, It will take a bit |
| 07:09.22 | joeyy | Linux plug 3.3.2-kirkwood-dg #1 Mon Apr 23 17:09:27 CDT 2012 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 07:09.30 | protist | EmleyMoor: Gokee2: kk :D |
| 07:09.51 | joeyy | i got a pogoplug with debian installed on it |
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| 07:10.55 | joeyy | why would any one use kde |
| 07:11.20 | joeyy | when little bit of editing openbox |
| 07:11.35 | joeyy | or fluxbox > |
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| 07:11.59 | protist | i might switch to xmonad or something |
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| 07:12.15 | protist | KDE should look nice on my new higher res screen though |
| 07:12.32 | Gokee2 | protist, BTW if you wanted to speed it up you can use a higher byte size. For example in the debian faq they use "dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync" http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb But I would just wait if I were you rather then starting over |
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| 07:13.38 | joeyy | Gokee2 what desktop manger u using |
| 07:13.42 | protist | Gokee2: ah I'm guessing that is just using the 4 character asm moving instruction or something |
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| 07:15.28 | Gokee2 | joeyy, Cause we feel like using our computers rather then spending lots of time setting them up... Hence why I use Debian as well instead of Arch, Gentoo or Linux From Scratch. As to what DE, I use mostly KDE on multi-monitor setups and LXDE on laptops |
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| 07:16.48 | joeyy | i use custom kernel because im on a 32 core system |
| 07:17.30 | protist | joeyy: wtf do you do with that computer? |
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| 07:19.24 | joeyy | complie |
| 07:19.28 | joeyy | build box |
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| 07:22.26 | Gokee2 | joeyy, And I just had to pull this uname for you: Kernal 2.2.14-6.1.1 #1 Thu Apr 13 20:01:58 EDT 2000 i686 |
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| 07:23.00 | Gokee2 | Anyway, off to bed |
| 07:23.07 | sdcardo | i have a SanDisk 16MB PCMCIA pc card ata. My bios does support booting from pcmcia. Is there a currently developed distro other than tinycore that can fit into a 16MB pcmcia card? How would a desktop newbie running Wheezy go about installing it? |
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| 07:29.49 | nevyn | sdcardo: you're dreaming. you MIGHT be able to fit /boot on a 16MB pcmcia card but.. no. just no. |
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| 07:30.43 | sdcardo | nevyn, why do you think it's a dream? |
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| 07:32.18 | zjhxmjl | hello,guys |
| 07:32.22 | joeyy | u could install openwrt on the card lol |
| 07:32.49 | zjhxmjl | how to boot to text mode instead of graphical interface |
| 07:33.27 | zjhxmjl | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 07:33.32 | joeyy | Gokee2 RedHat Kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1 |
| 07:33.48 | zjhxmjl | but this is error info: |
| 07:33.49 | zjhxmjl | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 07:33.54 | joeyy | how can u be on debian and have a redhat kernel |
| 07:33.55 | joeyy | lol |
| 07:34.11 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: should proabably use update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 07:34.12 | joeyy | busted for lies |
| 07:34.35 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 07:34.43 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: zlso that isn't an error it is just output. |
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| 07:35.38 | zjhxmjl | sorry i'am newbie for debian |
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| 07:35.58 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: the issue with 'remove' over 'disable' is if you reinstall/upgrade th elinks will be put back |
| 07:36.14 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: while disable keeps the links there, just puts them in a 'no run' state so they stay disabled even though upgrades |
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| 07:36.47 | omid8bimo | dpkg: ping |
| 07:36.47 | dpkg | pong |
| 07:36.47 | zjhxmjl | somiaj:thanks |
| 07:36.59 | zjhxmjl | but sudo update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 07:37.12 | zjhxmjl | this is error info |
| 07:37.13 | zjhxmjl | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 07:37.14 | zjhxmjl | update-rc.d: error: cannot find a LSB script for gdm |
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| 07:37.45 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: that is because you removed the links, update-rc.d gdm defaults first |
| 07:37.50 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: your remove worked, (: |
| 07:37.59 | zjhxmjl | omg |
| 07:38.22 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: what you did worked just fine, it just wouldn't stay removed if gdm was upgraded |
| 07:38.23 | zjhxmjl | but i still in graphical interface on boot |
| 07:38.44 | somiaj | zjhxmjl: maybe you arne't using gdm, have you followed the info in the factoid, /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 07:40.39 | protist | omg...GRUB is failing to install |
| 07:40.43 | protist | am I in trouble? |
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| 07:41.24 | protist | The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB book loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 07:42.26 | protist | LILO isn't working either |
| 07:42.39 | bniels | does your system use UEFI? |
| 07:42.40 | somiaj | protist: you can chroot into your install and fix it. Is this from a debian-live installer? |
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| 07:42.55 | protist | somiaj: yes |
| 07:43.41 | protist | somiaj: is there a way to avoid this without having to manually fiz it somehow? |
| 07:43.44 | somiaj | protist: yea I don't know whyit errors like that, but if you chroot into your install you can install grub-pc just fine. Unforntally you have to know a bit about a chroot |
| 07:43.45 | protist | fix* |
| 07:43.55 | somiaj | protist: I ran across it the two times i used a live debian installer |
| 07:44.02 | protist | somiaj: could you walk me through it? |
| 07:44.05 | somiaj | protist: I just fixed it, never tracked the error down |
| 07:44.08 | protist | somiaj: how long will you be here? |
| 07:44.13 | somiaj | protist: I guess |
| 07:44.29 | somiaj | protist: type df, do you see /target, /target/dev and /target/proc listed? |
| 07:44.43 | protist | somiaj: i will have to open a terminal |
| 07:44.52 | protist | somiaj: so i suppose i will have to finish the install first? |
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| 07:45.11 | somiaj | protist: well I think the install is just fine, we just need to get grub working is all |
| 07:45.15 | somiaj | protist: yes you will need a terminal |
| 07:45.25 | protist | somiaj: somiaj kk sec |
| 07:46.06 | protist | somiaj: ok i have a shell open....oddly it says it is ASH, not BASH |
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| 07:46.23 | somiaj | protist: umm, 'echo $SHELL' also what live images are you using? |
| 07:46.39 | bniels | i think the installer uses busybox ash |
| 07:46.56 | protist | somiaj: i think i have to "abort installation" to use the computer normally, and to open a normal terminal |
| 07:47.12 | protist | somiaj: the installer isn't exiting normally without first getting a boot loader |
| 07:47.29 | protist | somiaj: i have all the other parts...so i think i hould just abort now |
| 07:47.41 | somiaj | protist: I really have no clue where you are at. I just know when I used a debian-live image from live.debian.net it just errored out at the end with grub couldn't install. It was an easy fix from a chroot inside the /target installer |
| 07:47.50 | somiaj | protist: up to you |
| 07:48.39 | protist | somiaj: i just started up Konsole |
| 07:48.48 | protist | somiaj: we can do it from here, just the same, right? |
| 07:48.55 | somiaj | protist: yes |
| 07:49.00 | protist | somiaj: kk :) |
| 07:50.21 | protist | somiaj: alright tell me what to do :p |
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| 07:53.04 | somiaj | protist: type 'df' or 'mount' and do you see /target, /target/dev and /target/proc already mounted (this should have happened during the install) |
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| 07:54.21 | protist | somiaj: i don't see a /target :/ |
| 07:54.40 | protist | somiaj: i see /dev on /live/installer/dev |
| 07:54.50 | somiaj | protist: oh guess it put ti someplace well |
| 07:55.03 | somiaj | protist: do you konw what partition you installed on, was that partition mounted at /live/installer? |
| 07:55.19 | somiaj | protist: basically we need to mount the location of your install |
| 07:55.26 | protist | somiaj: i installed on the entire hard disk |
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| 07:55.57 | protist | somiaj: i didn't partition, i installed on the whole thing :/ |
| 07:56.00 | somiaj | protist: so it might be called /dev/sda1 (you need to know a little bit of stuff her or put the output of said commands at paste.debian.net) |
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| 07:56.10 | somiaj | protist: it would have made a swap parition during the install |
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| 07:56.55 | protist | somiaj: i see /dev/sdb ...but that appears to be my usb-drive |
| 07:57.27 | protist | somiaj: should i just restart my install? |
| 07:58.28 | protist | somiaj: i could install without running the usb as a live-usb, right?...if i were to select GUIinstaller or something? |
| 07:59.04 | bniels | if you didn't partition, it explains why grub wouldn't install. many filesystems don't leave enough unused space in the first couple of blocks to provide a place for grub to be installed to |
| 07:59.21 | somiaj | bniels: I think he picked 'use the whole disk' which automatically partitions it |
| 07:59.34 | somiaj | protist: most likely your install is fine, we just have to fix grub, up to you if you want to restart |
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| 07:59.39 | protist | somiaj: bniels: yes, i selected 'use the whole disk' |
| 07:59.40 | bniels | somiaj, well, hopefully. but it didn't sound like it |
| 07:59.49 | bniels | oh, okay then |
| 08:00.00 | protist | somiaj: I am not sure how to fix it from where it is |
| 08:00.15 | protist | somiaj: i don't see the directories you listed :/ |
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| 08:00.27 | somiaj | protist: can you put the output of 'mount' at paste.debian.net |
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| 08:00.58 | protist | somiaj: i don't have an internet connection on my other laptop...we don't have wireless...and the ethernetcabel is in this computer |
| 08:02.05 | protist | somiaj: i suppose i could switch over and apt-get irssi on the other comp real fast |
| 08:02.16 | protist | somiaj: if that doesn't work i'll get back on this one |
| 08:02.18 | protist | somiaj: kk? |
| 08:02.34 | somiaj | protist: I really don't want to walk you thought this, I think you need to know a bit more about linux for it to not be difficult |
| 08:02.59 | somiaj | protist: but if you can mount your install partitions you can chroot into your install and manually install grub from there |
| 08:04.00 | protist | somiaj: I'm going to switch over to the other comp |
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| 08:06.59 | protist | back...the other computer did not seem to recognize the ethernet |
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| 08:07.10 | protist | maybe i should just try installing again from scratch |
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| 08:07.49 | protist | if i do the install without using the live-installer...is there a chance of avoiding the problem? |
| 08:08.42 | somiaj | protist: seems if you use the 'text mode' installer on the live installer it works too |
| 08:08.48 | somiaj | protist: pleny of google hits about your problem |
| 08:08.55 | protist | somiaj: ah nice :D |
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| 08:09.13 | protist | somiaj: thank you so much...and sorry for badgering you...I was desperate to get my new laptop running :) |
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| 08:09.42 | protist | somiaj: ok im signing off to switch the cable over, cya later |
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| 08:27.41 | Dweeboh | #IMGROOTS.COM - FREE IMAGE HOSTING - 8MB PER IMAGE - 300 IMAGES PER UPLOAD - UNLIMITED UPLOADING. |
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| 08:30.41 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 08:32.47 | lancelot_of | since 2 days i find this message "SIOCGIFADDR: Cannot assign requested address" repeated in console when i bring up my network interfaces eth0 and wlan0, even if the interfaces work fine and connect through DHCP. That message is really annoying but don't know where they come from. Any suggestion?Please help |
| 08:33.04 | lancelot_of | i tried to google it but no useful information |
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| 08:33.54 | lancelot_of | moreover i tried also to stop/start /etc/init.d/networking, networking-routes with no success |
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| 08:42.42 | fantastic1 | hi |
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| 08:43.07 | fantastic1 | i have debian squeeze on dedi server and need to install programs |
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| 08:44.09 | fantastic1 | it is saying it needs super user priviliges |
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| 08:44.33 | fantastic1 | i am new to debian so not sure what to do |
| 08:44.59 | CookieJar | add sudo to the beginning of your command |
| 08:45.06 | CookieJar | it will ask you for the root password |
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| 08:45.10 | ksk | what kind of program? but yes, if you want to install something it needs root privileges |
| 08:45.19 | fantastic1 | webmin |
| 08:45.34 | ksk | CookieJar: no it will not, sudo asks for the users password |
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| 08:45.49 | ksk | ,version webmin |
| 08:45.51 | judd | No package named 'webmin' was found in i386. |
| 08:46.07 | CookieJar | ksk, I thought it asked for root, well blame me for using the same password for root and user |
| 08:46.13 | fantastic1 | command not found on sudo |
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| 08:46.42 | fantastic1 | webmin 1.610 |
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| 08:49.38 | fantastic1 | any help |
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| 08:52.07 | ksk | i guess you should read the debian users handbook |
| 08:52.24 | ksk | to get a overview about how linux/debian works. |
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| 08:55.03 | fantastic1 | ok |
| 08:55.14 | brime | anyone know of a undelete tool that will also give you back the directory structure of the deleted files? photorec is not cutting the mustard. |
| 08:55.32 | brime | Oh its ext4 |
| 08:56.22 | omid8bimo | brime: its a shame but i know good windows based tool call getdataback |
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| 08:58.34 | brime | it does ext4 as well? Hmmmm i might be able to do that.. i have two 1TB drives in a soft raid using the debian Disk Utility. |
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| 08:59.15 | brime | do you know if you can mount them as ext4 separately? |
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| 08:59.47 | brime | If so i have a Windows box here i can use |
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| 09:04.20 | brime | omid8bimo nvm i see that getdataback is fat and ntfs only. but it did point me to R-Studio for Linux |
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| 09:04.29 | brime | looks like it might work |
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| 09:12.10 | usman | Hello, i have a simple question, How i can check/debug if a service/daemon failed to start in Debian Linux ? |
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| 09:12.32 | zetheroo | what command will tell me the version of Debian that I am using? |
| 09:12.59 | usman | because there is a service which is not able to start via /etc/ini.d/myservice start |
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| 09:14.05 | usman | zetheroo: lsb_release -a |
| 09:14.37 | zetheroo | No LSB modules are available. |
| 09:15.47 | usman | cat /etc/issue |
| 09:15.49 | tombatone | zetheroo, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:15.58 | wols_ | !version |
| 09:15.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 09:16.16 | wols_ | !debian suite |
| 09:16.16 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 09:16.41 | lancelot_of | no help for me? |
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| 09:19.56 | ksk | lancelot_of: this can happen for example if the address is already configured |
| 09:20.02 | zetheroo | is there a way to tell when was the last time packages were installed or updated? |
| 09:20.26 | ksk | dpkg.log |
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| 09:21.10 | lancelot_of | ksk, so how to fix? |
| 09:21.25 | ksk | use a valid config :P |
| 09:21.43 | zetheroo | ksk: thanks |
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| 09:24.21 | ksk | is there a way to not use v6 for *anything* but having v6-addresses configured? (there is some config-option in RHEL which can archive this) |
| 09:24.28 | lancelot_of | ksk, could you be more detailed? |
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| 09:25.02 | ksk | eg exim would send out mails via v6 if i just setup an v6 adress and i dont like take a look at every single service |
| 09:25.28 | ksk | lancelot_of: im afraid no, because this error can have many reasons. as i said its most likely your /etc/network/interfaces is somehow bogous |
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| 09:25.42 | ksk | p |
| 09:25.49 | usman | yes kindly anyone knows ? :) |
| 09:26.10 | lancelot_of | ksk, it has always worked fine,i've never had this kind of messages... |
| 09:26.49 | ksk | usman: first of all you can execute the init script with "bash -x" to see whats happenin |
| 09:27.26 | ksk | (depending on what /bin/sh is on your system results may differ if you invoke those scripts with bash) |
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| 09:43.21 | ffrank | hi, i can't seem to find valid archive gpg keys for lenny. debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. am I Doing It Wrong? |
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| 09:45.07 | wols_ | ffrank: lenny is not supported anymore. EOL |
| 09:45.13 | wols_ | but the lenny repo should have the keys |
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| 09:46.31 | ffrank | oh i see - and since apt won't read the archive re: expired key, i cannot simply upgrade. nice... |
| 09:47.07 | wols_ | install the keyring deb with dpkg? |
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| 09:48.38 | ffrank | yeah, i'm trawling the repo right now. thanks for the hints! |
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| 09:49.09 | Townsend | Yey! Thanks guys :) |
| 09:50.26 | ffrank | no wait - 2010.08.28~lenny1 *is* the latest version on http://archive.debian.org - and won't work. bummer. |
| 09:50.47 | wols_ | maybe it's expired? as I said: lenny is EOL |
| 09:51.35 | ffrank | yeah, but makes me wonder - i even accessed etch archives about a year ago. which makes sense - people will need to install software on their obsolete boxen, eol or no... |
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| 09:52.58 | wols_ | !secure apt |
| 09:52.58 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 09:53.20 | wols_ | could be etch's apt was an earlier version without keys |
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| 10:01.12 | ffrank | so sid/wheezy have gotten a new archive keyring. i feel that it is an error that neither squeeze nor later have gotten an updated keyring package. |
| 10:03.37 | tuv | did package description format change to single-line, or is that just how aptitude present them? |
| 10:05.18 | ffrank | argh, never mind - i misread my errors. those are not for lenny/main but lenny/updates, which is indeed 100% obsolete. sorry for the noise. |
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| 10:06.24 | ffrank | tuv: there is a one line short description and a full description (as seen with aptitude show) |
| 10:07.01 | Aleksander | Hello. I have some problems with installing my Brother-DCP7030 scanner on Debian Sid - I've basically done everything I do in Ubuntu or Arch, and the system sees the scanner, xsane can open, but it can't access it, and chmoding doesn't change anything. |
| 10:07.32 | Aleksander | I've modified /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane.rules adding my scanner, but it doesn't change anything, either |
| 10:07.33 | tuv | ffrank: in wheezy, aptitude shows only "Homepage" in the information pane below. before it used to show a few paragraphs |
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| 10:08.16 | ffrank | tuv: ah, you mean the curses interface? i don't know jack about that, except that it's not quite common to use that at all ;) |
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| 10:08.41 | Aleksander | and it keeps telling me that it cannot access .cache/keyring-xpxzzI/pkcs11: No such file or directory |
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| 10:09.29 | tuv | ffrank: even apt-cache show |
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| 10:10.02 | tuv | ffrank: and i use aptitude all the time. it's powerful and convenient |
| 10:10.07 | ffrank | tuv: that's the package's fault then i assume, seeing as it Works For Me... |
| 10:10.21 | tuv | ffrank: do you have access to wheezy? |
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| 10:10.57 | ffrank | tuv: i'm on a sid box, "yes" |
| 10:11.04 | doomster | hi |
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| 10:12.47 | tuv | ffrank: for what package do you see a long description? |
| 10:13.05 | ffrank | tuv: say, debian-archive-keyring ;) |
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| 10:14.17 | tuv | apt-cache show debian-archive-keyring | grep -i description 2013.01.04 Fri 05:13 am |
| 10:14.20 | tuv | Description: GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 10:14.22 | tuv | Description-md5: 4ee78d6fd2292b9893b8eb4f5d5dd91d |
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| 10:15.12 | tuv | ffrank: that's all |
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| 10:16.21 | ffrank | well, if you grep it like that, no wonder... ;S |
| 10:16.25 | tuv | hmm.. this happens only on a freshly installed machine |
| 10:16.48 | tuv | ffrank: well, that was a demonstration. i looked the entire output |
| 10:17.03 | tuv | an older install does show longer descriptions! |
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| 10:17.34 | ffrank | different versions of apt packages? |
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| 10:18.09 | tuv | ffrank: no, but perhaps different stock config? |
| 10:18.23 | ffrank | tuv: right! that may very well be it |
| 10:19.04 | ffrank | so, time to check /etc/apt* i guess |
| 10:19.07 | tuv | if so, then that would not be a wise default |
| 10:19.17 | ffrank | :) |
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| 10:20.27 | tuv | can't find anything suspicious |
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| 10:20.59 | tuv | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660961 |
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| 10:22.14 | tuv | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657557 |
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| 10:26.19 | ffrank | i'm not sure that's related |
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| 10:27.12 | ffrank | tuv: ooh, but with the latest apt from sid i can reproduce your issue! |
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| 10:28.17 | ffrank | ...or maybe it was just my "apt-get update" and now the descriptions are missing from my package lists... |
| 10:28.34 | ffrank | err, sorry. lets pretend i used "aptitude update" ;p |
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| 10:33.16 | tuv | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=90081 |
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| 10:35.37 | tuv | and.. they're back |
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| 10:36.21 | tuv | Acquire::Languages "none"; --> Acquire::Languages "en" |
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| 10:38.31 | ffrank | weird, i don't have either flag set... |
| 10:38.59 | tuv | ffrank: i added that one myself |
| 10:39.28 | tuv | to reduce the number of 'Translation-*' items while apt-updating |
| 10:39.34 | ffrank | right. so it makes no sense for me to reproduce i guess... |
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| 10:39.54 | tuv | if you don't have it set to none, you're fine |
| 10:40.14 | ffrank | so i would think. but i'm not ;) |
| 10:40.45 | ffrank | ah. W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
| 10:40.48 | impaktor | For usb-install from debian.iso is it dd of=/dev/sdb or of=/dev/sdb1 ? Should it be mounted? |
| 10:40.49 | ffrank | nice ;) |
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| 10:40.56 | BadCodSmell | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 10:40.57 | tuv | ffrank: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=75047 |
| 10:41.03 | BadCodSmell | Are you telling me |
| 10:41.06 | BadCodSmell | I have to reboot? |
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| 10:41.10 | BadCodSmell | to change network settings? |
| 10:41.46 | tuv | BadCodSmell: ifdown <if>; ifup <if> |
| 10:41.54 | ffrank | BadCodSmell: nah, just that there's supposed to be a better way now |
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| 10:42.47 | BadCodSmell | Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
| 10:43.02 | doomster | I'm looking for a solution that helps me manage (i.e. scanning, OCRing and filing) of paper mails. Any suggestions? |
| 10:43.06 | tuv | BadCodSmell: are you using network-manager? |
| 10:43.21 | BadCodSmell | I have no X |
| 10:43.44 | tuv | BadCodSmell: that message means that eth0 is not in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:43.54 | BadCodSmell | Yes |
| 10:44.01 | BadCodSmell | It comes up though when the system boots |
| 10:44.37 | tuv | BadCodSmell: look for how that happens. ifup and ifdown use what's in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:45.19 | BadCodSmell | How can I change my perfered IP? |
| 10:45.35 | BadCodSmell | preferred* |
| 10:45.45 | tuv | BadCodSmell: the rude way is: ifconfig <if> <ip> |
| 10:46.27 | BadCodSmell | I am thinking through dhcp |
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| 10:46.49 | BadCodSmell | The thing is when I put it in interfaces, it lost its prefered ip |
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| 10:47.11 | tuv | set your dhcp server to do so |
| 10:47.13 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I need to create two users with the same UID and the same GID. Any ideas how to do that wihout messing and manually editing /etc/passwd and /etc/group files afterwards? |
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| 10:47.37 | BadCodSmell | Not an option |
| 10:47.42 | BadCodSmell | IT was working fine before |
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| 10:47.46 | BadCodSmell | except requiring a reboot |
| 10:47.49 | doomster | hid3: that sounds like nonsense, since the UID identifies the user |
| 10:47.58 | tuv | BadCodSmell: there is no such thing as preferred ip. it's either static (the local machine decides it) or dhcp (the dhcp server decides it) |
| 10:48.04 | doomster | hid3: what is it that you want to achieve with that? |
| 10:48.14 | tuv | dhcp server can fix the ip per mac address, though |
| 10:48.31 | hid3 | doomster: I'm setting up a rbldnsd mirror. One user will be dedicated to the daemon and paswordless ssh rsyncs and the other one would be for passworded management |
| 10:48.40 | ectospasm | hid3: useradd has the -o, --non-unique option... |
| 10:48.43 | hid3 | I'm actually following a manual which asks to do that |
| 10:48.47 | tuv | static leases, sometimes called |
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| 10:49.17 | ectospasm | hid3: I think it's a poor man's user alias thingy |
| 10:49.40 | hid3 | might be. Thanks, looks like -o is a part of what I need |
| 10:49.58 | ffrank | yes, shared uids can be worthwile |
| 10:50.00 | ectospasm | hid3: if you set it to be the same GID, they'll have the same primary group |
| 10:50.17 | ectospasm | ...that shouldn't break anything |
| 10:50.21 | doomster | that creates two different user/pass logins for the same user rather, if I understand that right... |
| 10:51.19 | ffrank | doomster: more or less... |
| 10:51.44 | ectospasm | as I said, effectively creating two aliases to the same account. |
| 10:51.48 | hid3 | Well, all this stuff is for the spamhaus mirror setup. I'm reinstalling mine |
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| 10:52.31 | tuv | BadCodSmell: do you want the machine to always use the same ip? |
| 10:52.53 | tuv | and do you know what ip is that? |
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| 10:54.15 | CookieJar | trying to copy files to a folder shared with samba, it keeps giving me "access denied" |
| 10:54.30 | CookieJar | config says writable = yes |
| 10:54.33 | CookieJar | for this share |
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| 10:59.02 | tuv | CookieJar: check the users configuration, and make sure they have smb passwords |
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| 11:04.05 | Haris | Hello all |
| 11:04.17 | Haris | booting into single user mode asks for root password or press Ctrl+D to continue. I need to recoover root password for this box. How do I do it |
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| 11:04.52 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 11:05.26 | Sm0ke0ut | Haris: try to google your question :) |
| 11:05.29 | ffrank | CookieJar: are you root? :) |
| 11:05.32 | Haris | does debian have a network-bootable rescue live cd |
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| 11:05.39 | ectospasm | Haris: how are you initiating single user mode? |
| 11:05.44 | Haris | Sm0ke0ut: already have |
| 11:05.56 | CookieJar | ffrank, tuv, figured it out with someone in offtopic |
| 11:05.58 | Haris | ectospasm: grub option #2 for bootup |
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| 11:06.07 | gypsymauro | there is a tool to manage a pool of debian server at once? to run maintanance tasks like apt-get update; dist-upgrade, installing a package that you want on all servers, configuring it and so on.. any hint? |
| 11:06.11 | Haris | which has (single user mode) in it |
| 11:06.31 | ectospasm | Haris: hmmm, I've never had any luck with the rescue image... try editing the main image and appending "single" to the kernel line. |
| 11:06.48 | ffrank | gypsymauro: puppet springs to mind. alternatives are cfengine or chef |
| 11:06.49 | Haris | ok |
| 11:07.31 | CosmicB | gypsymauro: take a look at cfengine or puppet . I use cfengine in my previous job, and we're using puppet in my new job, I'd recommend cfengine (better for editing conf files) |
| 11:07.33 | ffrank | Haris: i like passing init=/bin/bash for rooting a box :) |
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| 11:07.50 | Haris | ffrank: does it work |
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| 11:08.39 | ffrank | no i just made that up for trolling y'all ;p |
| 11:08.54 | Haris | ectospasm: that takes me to the default login prompt |
| 11:09.07 | Haris | I put a 'Single' at the end of the bootup option after ro |
| 11:09.20 | Haris | in line #2 for option #1 on grub boot screen |
| 11:09.31 | Haris | is that single or Single ? |
| 11:09.39 | ffrank | iirc, even in runlevel 1, you still need to login... |
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| 11:09.43 | Haris | does debian/grub differentiate |
| 11:09.59 | Haris | not on centos. Seems to be the case with debian |
| 11:10.28 | ffrank | seriously though, try init=/bin/sh or bash instead |
| 11:10.55 | CosmicB | says +1 on ffrank's advise |
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| 11:13.17 | gypsymauro | tanx ffrank CosmicB I'll check them (why cfengine is better than puppet?) |
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| 11:14.04 | CosmicB | gypsymauro chengine is very good at editing conf files. I know puppet can do it too, but I'm having a hard time making it work |
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| 11:15.28 | CosmicB | gypsymauro in my previous job I controlled about 70 servers using cfening, had classes for web servers, DB servers, shell servers and so on, controlled everything from which packages should be installed to how every service was configured |
| 11:15.28 | ffrank | puppet is really bad at that (never touched its augeas implementation), but if editing is not your primary concern, puppet has strong suits of its own |
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| 11:16.52 | ffrank | CosmicB: no offence, but i've noticed that it can be difficult for cfengine veterans to cope with puppet, because a whole different mindset must be applied to write effective code in this other paradigm. the reverse will probably hold true just as well... |
| 11:17.29 | jacklk | Hi, what package is needed to manage wireless networks in Gnome 2? I only have LAN working... |
| 11:17.52 | CosmicB | ffrank: yeah, you're right, I was about to add that :p + I think mabye, if one doesn't know either of them, that cfengine might be a bit more complicated to get started with (just a guess) |
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| 11:20.16 | ffrank | CosmicB: being comfortable with puppet (but having seen some cfengine2 from afar in my previous job), i wish i could second that sentiment, but puppet can be a harsh mistress itself ;) |
| 11:20.31 | CosmicB | :) |
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| 11:27.30 | theduke | hey guys, is there any way to boot the live cd into "live" mode directly, without requiring interaction in the boot menu? |
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| 11:27.46 | Guest26322 | I am kind of new to debian and would like to understand the difference between aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade. I understand that dist-upgrade installs new packages, but exactly why? |
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| 11:27.53 | netchip | hey |
| 11:28.06 | nevyn | Guest26322: update fetches new package index data |
| 11:28.10 | netchip | How can I build debian from source code for ARM? :) |
| 11:28.50 | ksuhku | jacklk, you need wpa-supplicant |
| 11:28.53 | nevyn | Guest26322: dist-upgrade installs the software referenced in that list on your system. |
| 11:29.31 | jacklk | ksuhku: Yes,that works. |
| 11:29.36 | jacklk | I'm installing an ATI driver on Debian, and it says this... "Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20120929-16:46' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter]." I have it on a USB stick, how do I get it on /media/cdrom? |
| 11:29.44 | CosmicB | Guest26322 example: apt-get upgrade might upgrade your existing kernel, while apt-get dist-upgrade will also install a newer kernel if one exists for your current distro version |
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| 11:31.51 | Guest26322 | nevyn, CosmicB thanks, it is more clear now |
| 11:32.20 | Haris | initrd contains the boot image |
| 11:32.24 | Haris | how can I put up the shell in it |
| 11:32.33 | Haris | do I append the shell part to it ? |
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| 11:35.50 | osfd | Hi there, do you know how I can get the content of this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-lib-committers/kicad/library/files/head:/library/ please |
| 11:36.17 | CosmicB | Guest26322 same goes if f.example you're upgrading distro from say squeeze to wheezy, debian upgrade instructions usually recommend doing a (after changing to wheezy in sources.list) apt-get upgrade, which will upgrade all the existing installed packages, THEN do a apt-get dist-upgrade which will add new packages belonging to the new distro as well as replace packages that for any reason replaces package x in a new distro vs. older distro |
| 11:36.19 | Haris | is there an alternative |
| 11:36.27 | Haris | or a network boot image ? |
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| 11:39.26 | Guest26322 | CosmicB, one more question, why are packages sometimes "held back" with 'update'? |
| 11:40.03 | CosmicB | Guest26322 I think that's usually because you need to issue dist-upgrade to install those |
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| 11:40.16 | doomster | if updating one requires installation of a new one, that isn't done without explicit consent |
| 11:40.28 | CosmicB | Guest26322 try apt-get dist-upgrade next time, it's probably install those held back |
| 11:40.34 | doomster | same when it requires deleting an installed package |
| 11:40.39 | CosmicB | +1 to doomster |
| 11:41.29 | doomster | ^^ |
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| 11:42.43 | Guest26322 | OK, doomter and CosmicB ,thanks, I will pay more attention next time when doing update and dist-upgrade |
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| 11:45.47 | safridzal | still devoiced? |
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| 11:48.54 | ectospasm | Haris: "single" not "Single" |
| 11:49.28 | ectospasm | ...and you need to make sure you save that change (temporarily, don't go back to the main Grub menu) |
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| 11:59.16 | Haris | ok |
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| 12:05.20 | Haris | booting with 'single' |
| 12:06.14 | Haris | it asks for root password |
| 12:06.21 | Haris | or says to press Ctrl+D to continue |
| 12:07.03 | nkuttler | Haris: and? |
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| 12:08.00 | Haris | and I don't get a bash prompt without root login credentials for recovering root passwd on this box |
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| 12:08.39 | Haris | which is what I'm trying to do |
| 12:08.47 | nkuttler | !i forgot root's password |
| 12:08.47 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 12:09.16 | Haris | aha! |
| 12:09.53 | Haris | do I leave the init line with the boot image as is ? |
| 12:10.07 | Haris | add a 4th line and put init=/bin/bash on it |
| 12:10.22 | nkuttler | Haris: no, on the kernel line |
| 12:10.23 | Haris | I know its a stupid Q |
| 12:10.26 | ectospasm | Haris: that's on the kernel line |
| 12:10.32 | Haris | ah ok |
| 12:10.37 | ectospasm | TIL |
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| 12:12.49 | Haris | aha! |
| 12:12.57 | Haris | finally. got the shell prompt |
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| 12:13.16 | Haris | I'v recently already run fsck when I rebootedf this box the first time :P |
| 12:13.37 | Haris | I'll skip that part |
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| 12:14.24 | gasoline | how do i install the kernel source files ? |
| 12:14.48 | pmo | apt-get ? |
| 12:14.56 | ectospasm | gasoline: aptitude install linux-headers... |
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| 12:15.12 | CosmicB | thumbs up for Haris |
| 12:15.29 | ectospasm | you'll need to replace "linux-headers..." with the proper version string, of course |
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| 12:15.59 | DelphiWorld | hey everyone |
| 12:16.11 | DelphiWorld | bniels ! |
| 12:16.13 | Haris | where's passwd at, at this stage ? shell says no such file or directory |
| 12:16.30 | CosmicB | gasoline apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` :p |
| 12:16.47 | SomeoneWeird | $ which passwd |
| 12:16.48 | SomeoneWeird | /usr/bin/passwd |
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| 12:17.38 | ectospasm | CosmicB: I suppose I assumed he'd pick whichever meta package he needed |
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| 12:18.05 | Haris | shell says the same. not present. which passwd returns empty |
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| 12:18.29 | CosmicB | ectospasm you're probably right, I just couldn't resist the urge for som command substitution :p |
| 12:19.14 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub |
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| 12:20.59 | ectospasm | CosmicB: I prefer $(..) format to `..`, easier to see |
| 12:21.07 | Haris | !passwd rescue |
| 12:21.11 | ectospasm | though not as portable |
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| 12:21.41 | ectospasm | Haris: is your root partition actually mounted? You may need to chroot into it after mounting it |
| 12:21.46 | CosmicB | ectospasm: actually me too :) |
| 12:22.35 | Haris | yes root is mounted in rw state |
| 12:22.39 | Haris | as per commands above |
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| 12:24.14 | DelphiWorld | guys while installing a dpkg package using dpkg -i something.deb |
| 12:24.15 | DelphiWorld | i get: |
| 12:24.29 | DelphiWorld | dpkg-deb: error: `darkice_0.20.1-3_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive |
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| 12:25.50 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: what does file darkice_0.20.1-3_i386.deb tells you? |
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| 12:26.21 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: how to check it ? |
| 12:26.29 | ChrisH | type it |
| 12:26.39 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: file command not found |
| 12:26.54 | ChrisH | apt-get install file |
| 12:27.25 | DelphiWorld | on the way, ChrisH |
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| 12:27.50 | dtcrshr | which is the "official" irc channel for debian, here or oftc |
| 12:27.51 | dtcrshr | ? |
| 12:28.22 | dtcrshr | or only the debian-next ? |
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| 12:29.36 | DelphiWorld | LOL LOL ChrisH |
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| 12:29.50 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: if you wanna laugh i can tel you the result |
| 12:29.50 | ksk | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines tells about both channels, so i would guess they are somehow equal |
| 12:30.01 | dtcrshr | thanks ksk |
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| 12:30.14 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: empty file ? |
| 12:30.31 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: i wish man... if was empty i could know LOL |
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| 12:33.38 | Haris | I'm not sure if my / fs is mounted |
| 12:34.37 | CosmicB | Haris what does 'mount' output ? |
| 12:35.23 | Haris | the first time it did give 1 line of info. now when I run the same command, it outputs nothing |
| 12:35.28 | Haris | just returnss shell |
| 12:35.54 | Haris | I can touch new file under / after running mount -o remount,rw / |
| 12:36.02 | Haris | but I can't find the passwd tool |
| 12:36.47 | CosmicB | Haris do you know which disk is your root partition ? is it f.example /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 12:37.02 | Haris | -> /dev/hda1 I believe |
| 12:37.12 | CosmicB | Haris if you know that, try 'mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 / |
| 12:37.32 | Delf | Is anyone able to download faster than 18 MB/s with approx? |
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| 12:38.21 | SNow | hi guys I have a problem with Pptpd and mppe |
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| 12:38.27 | SNow | I get ppp: compressor dropped pkt |
| 12:38.31 | SNow | What can be a solution |
| 12:38.33 | CosmicB | Haris if you don't know, issue 'mkdir /mnt/mabyeroot' then mount every sd[abc][12356] under /mnt/mabyeroot and see if you could find your root partition, don't forget umount'ing each partition after you've had a look |
| 12:38.49 | SNow | 3.0.23-1-amd64-vyatta |
| 12:39.03 | SNow | MTU 1400 |
| 12:39.07 | SNow | MRU 1400 |
| 12:39.40 | nkuttler | Haris: um, your / should be mounted after booting, unless you use a separate /boot partition? |
| 12:39.58 | nkuttler | Haris: and what does you can't "find" passwd mean? |
| 12:40.04 | CosmicB | Haris hda1 (?) you're on ata (?) , mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt or some other empty dir and take a look at it, if it's your root partition, issue mount -o remount, rw /dev/hda1 / |
| 12:40.17 | Haris | no passwd utility on / partition. no find utility on / partition |
| 12:40.33 | nkuttler | Haris: how do you figure that? |
| 12:40.33 | Haris | lookiung around at present |
| 12:40.47 | Haris | when I run them, shell says no such file or directory |
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| 12:40.58 | Haris | its not in /bin, in /usr/bin, in /sbin |
| 12:41.38 | SNow | Hi guys I have a problem with pptpd and mppe I get compressor dropped pkt, 3.0.23 kernel MTU/MRU are set to 1400. |
| 12:41.40 | CosmicB | Haris: yeah, you're either in some rescue shell, or you've remount'ed / to some partition with no /bin /sbin and so on, so you'd probably have to reboot with init=/bin/sh or what ever you did to get where you are |
| 12:42.05 | nkuttler | Haris: reboot, and read the kernel messages, that should tell you which partition is / |
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| 12:42.13 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH, thank a lot aguin |
| 12:42.13 | Haris | got it |
| 12:42.15 | nkuttler | Haris: or just run mount and see what's mounted where |
| 12:42.18 | CosmicB | Haris while you're at it, when editing grub in the boot menu, you'll see there which partition is your root partition |
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| 12:44.58 | Haris | ./dev/hda1 is the root alright |
| 12:45.43 | nkuttler | Haris: do you maybe have a separate /usr parition? |
| 12:45.44 | CosmicB | Haris did you boot with init=bin/sh or something ? |
| 12:45.47 | nkuttler | partition |
| 12:45.53 | Haris | yes |
| 12:46.04 | nkuttler | Haris: yes to what? |
| 12:46.06 | Haris | I'll need to check |
| 12:46.12 | CosmicB | he he |
| 12:46.18 | Haris | yes to CosmicB. I'll need to check to nkuttler |
| 12:46.29 | nkuttler | Haris: ls /usr/bin/passwd |
| 12:46.48 | Haris | yes, separate partition for /usr |
| 12:47.06 | nkuttler | Haris: mount it |
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| 12:48.33 | CosmicB | Haris yeah, nkuttler is onto it, just make sure you've mounted your hda1 to / when you're updating your root pass |
| 12:48.46 | Haris | found passwd tool |
| 12:49.05 | Haris | mount /dev/hda5 on /usr =) |
| 12:49.09 | Haris | mounted+ |
| 12:49.34 | Haris | passwd says -> passwd: Authentication token lock busy \n passwd: password unchanged |
| 12:50.38 | nkuttler | Haris: mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 12:52.09 | Haris | got it |
| 12:52.23 | Haris | how does one reboot without pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del |
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| 12:52.45 | pmo | shutdown -r ? |
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| 12:52.51 | Haris | running reboot tool gives me -> /dev/initctl: no such file or directory |
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| 12:54.56 | Haris | running shutdown -r -t 1 now gives the same msg as above. same output for shutdown -r 1 now too |
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| 12:57.09 | Haris | did a hard reboot. let's see if it works |
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| 12:58.55 | Haris | worked =) |
| 12:58.59 | Haris | thanks all! |
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| 13:01.05 | Haris | this is 5.0.4 |
| 13:01.21 | ectospasm | yeesh |
| 13:01.39 | Haris | its a PIII box, lol |
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| 13:02.32 | CosmicB | Haris stop it, I'm getting sentimental :p |
| 13:02.38 | Haris | :) |
| 13:02.40 | Haris | ok, time to get to work |
| 13:02.45 | Haris | talk to ya'all later |
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| 13:14.10 | impaktor | For usb-install from debian.iso is it dd of=/dev/sdb or of=/dev/sdb1 ? Should it be mounted? |
| 13:15.15 | Konomi | shouldn't be mounted |
| 13:16.18 | babilen | impaktor: It shouldn't be mounted and it should be /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 |
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| 13:17.27 | impaktor | Thanks. |
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| 13:20.27 | ksk | also, debian tells you to use cat, not dd :P |
| 13:20.41 | ksk | (but will work, too) |
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| 13:22.24 | babilen | Right, dd is suboptimal unless you use a better blocksize (cat will do that automagically) |
| 13:22.43 | babilen | The interface is also horrible, but meh |
| 13:23.07 | impaktor | So cat is better than dd when putting an ISO to USB? |
| 13:25.04 | ksk | just do it ;) |
| 13:25.14 | frostschutz | either is fine, with dd just add bs=1M |
| 13:26.43 | impaktor | ok |
| 13:26.44 | impaktor | thanks |
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| 13:43.58 | GabrieleV | Hello, is there a way to force password expiration on day 1 of every month ? |
| 13:44.37 | Ikarus | that would be "kill the sysadmin day" ? |
| 13:44.48 | OsteHovel | Olord i hate that |
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| 13:45.10 | Ikarus | I'd rather have people invest in proper security tech instead of relying on just passwords |
| 13:45.15 | Ikarus | (something you have preferably) |
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| 13:48.51 | abrotman | doesn't answer his question ? |
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| 13:50.06 | abrotman | GabrieleV: i'm not sure if there's a method to do it correctly, but you could just expire all the user accounts with a cron job |
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| 13:52.59 | abrotman | GabrieleV: otherwise, i only see passwd age in login.defs |
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| 13:54.55 | GabrieleV | abrotman, cronjob maybe good. No pam way to do this ? login.defs relies on age of the password, not on a fixed day. |
| 13:56.44 | abrotman | GabrieleV: right, but you can make a cron job that always happens on the first day of the month |
| 13:58.00 | GabrieleV | abrotman, I need a script that parses /etc/passwd, exclude system and other users, and run chage ... I wonder if there is no builtin way to do this :-( |
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| 13:58.40 | ChrisH | GabrieleV: Why do you want such an PW age feature? |
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| 14:00.00 | GabrieleV | it's a sort of cluster of machines, I need to have password expiring synched on them. I need to have separate auth databases (non NIS or LDAP) |
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| 14:00.36 | abrotman | GabrieleV: you could use ssh keys for the root account, have it login every 1st, set passwods |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | words |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | or hell, control /etc/shadow with puppet/chef/cfengine |
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| 14:02.05 | D-Boy | when doing a 'whois IP' i have instead of IP information this : Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program. |
| 14:02.06 | GabrieleV | abrotman, I already run cfengine, but I look for a builtin feature, if it exist. |
| 14:02.06 | ChrisH | uaaa.. I would prefer to use LDAP or NIS instead |
| 14:02.12 | D-Boy | how to update the whois database ? |
| 14:02.33 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, I can't, they are machines of different customers |
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| 14:03.36 | r3m | Hi, is there a difference between downloading android-notifier deb package on the website and using the repo in sources.list? the later is better cause a simple aptitude update/upgrade will update the package? |
| 14:03.49 | ChrisH | GabrieleV: but why do they than need to be synced? differnt customers different PWs |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | D-Boy: ask your registrar |
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| 14:04.09 | abrotman | GabrieleV: none of them are going to be built-in .. |
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| 14:04.27 | D-Boy | abrotman : that's not 'my ip', you mean the ip registrar ? |
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| 14:06.39 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, I need them to be synched, because I manage them. I want password expiration all on same date. |
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| 14:07.27 | ChrisH | GabrieleV: write a script to parse /etc/passwd, remove system user and passwd -e $USER |
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| 14:08.05 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, I wrote this lines ago :-) |
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| 14:09.05 | abrotman | no, i did? :) |
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| 14:09.41 | ChrisH | But I still do not understand why pw aging must be on the same day. I do not like PW aging at all |
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| 14:10.22 | abrotman | ChrisH: it's his requirement .. |
| 14:13.05 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, is not a TECH requirement, it's a policy requirement. Different people works on these machines, and we need to manage passwords. And yes, we use ssh keys to access them, password are useful for local job only (sudo, etc..) |
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| 14:19.17 | ChrisH | GabrieleV: usermod -e YYYY-MM-01 can be run on every 2nd of a month for next months expiration |
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| 14:21.56 | hetOrakel | hi all, how can i find out my partition type |
| 14:22.05 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, another scripting way. It's good too. Bit it fails if machine is powered off on that day :-( (anacron may fix?) Still looking for a "system" way tightened to the auth layer |
| 14:22.06 | hetOrakel | it should be on off ext2 ext3 or ext4 |
| 14:22.21 | GabrieleV | hetOrakel, sudo fidisk -l /dev/mydevice |
| 14:22.31 | GabrieleV | hetOrakel, Ah, you mean filesystem |
| 14:23.09 | hetOrakel | yes i do |
| 14:23.18 | GabrieleV | sudo blkid /dev/mydevice |
| 14:23.34 | GabrieleV | or mount |
| 14:23.41 | jhutchins_wk | GabrieleV: There are systems like puppet that help you manage groups of machines, but mostly you can just use bash "for" loops with sed and awk. |
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| 14:24.10 | hetOrakel | mount says ext4, but i'would rather check it in some way in the partion itself |
| 14:24.13 | hetOrakel | is that possible? |
| 14:24.38 | GabrieleV | jhutchins_wk, Yes, we discussed about scripts and config managers. But I prefer a pam or other way that does not rely on other tools |
| 14:25.35 | GabrieleV | hetOrakel, blkid i think look for the filesystem type, not for the mounted way. Try to mount an ext4 partition as ext3 and after as ext4 and see |
| 14:25.48 | GabrieleV | hetOrakel, man tune2fs |
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| 14:28.07 | hetOrakel | Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery extent flex_bg sparse_super large_file huge_file uninit_bg dir_nlink extra_isize |
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| 14:32.37 | joules | hi, can whats the manual way to resume a build? dpkg-buildpackage clobbers and starts again. |
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| 14:34.41 | engla | I don't think dpkg-buildpackage allows resume |
| 14:34.42 | ksuhku | hetOrakel, aren't extents ext4 only tech? |
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| 14:35.15 | opn1 | hi i've set up firefox which is replacing iceweasel and now i don't know how to create a symlink to x-www-browser. so firefox should be the default browser. i tried the following... |
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| 14:35.35 | opn1 | http://paste.org/59640 |
| 14:36.28 | babilen | opn1: Why are you using Firefox? Debian shops Iceweasel and there really shouldn't be a reason not to use it. |
| 14:37.44 | opn1 | i am using a crunchbang stable (debian) and there were several reasons not to use it |
| 14:38.09 | joules | engla: no it doesn't |
| 14:38.47 | opn1 | like audio streams not playing after a while |
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| 14:39.12 | joules | squeeze? |
| 14:39.59 | opn1 | also that was not really my question |
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| 14:40.55 | opn1 | mybe i did somethig wrong when symlinking (see paste) |
| 14:40.58 | babilen | opn1: First of all: We only support Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons and you want the crunchbang channel for Crunchbang support. I also don't see a single good reason to use FF on Debian, but you can discuss that with the CB people |
| 14:41.02 | babilen | !crunchbang |
| 14:41.02 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 14:41.46 | opn1 | no one is answering there -.- |
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| 14:42.21 | joules | opn1: man update-alternatives |
| 14:42.29 | babilen | opn1: Well, install pure Debian and enjoy support in here. The solution is still the same: use Iceweasel |
| 14:42.32 | babilen | joules: drop it |
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| 14:43.04 | joules | eh |
| 14:43.10 | opn1 | hmm |
| 14:43.47 | joules | drop what? |
| 14:43.54 | joules | my fist in ur face? |
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| 14:44.24 | opn1 | so iceweasel is making problems + i want the newest firefox version = no support? my problem is about symlinking i think |
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| 14:45.04 | Sm0ke0ut | still. you're asking for support in #debian while you're not using Debian |
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| 14:45.14 | opn1 | it should be the same procedure in debian!? |
| 14:45.22 | Sm0ke0ut | sure |
| 14:45.25 | babilen | opn1: Crunchbang is /not/ supported in here. Take it to #crunchbang or install Debian if you want help in here. (Seriously! We do /not/ support distributions based on Debian for a number of reasons, /msg me if you want to discuss it.) |
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| 14:45.45 | Sm0ke0ut | but with that argument you can also just ask in #linux or so |
| 14:46.31 | babilen | indeed, but lets move on :) |
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| 14:48.43 | opn1 | ok thanks anyway |
| 14:48.52 | babilen | opn1: good luck |
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| 14:50.16 | shomon | hi, I'm trying to install skype using the "multi" package and found the "not found" problem requiring me to reinstall libc6 |
| 14:50.27 | shomon | but now it says it wants libasound.. which is already the newest version |
| 14:50.43 | shomon | does anyone know how I fix it? Is it changing the symbolic links of some libraries? |
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| 14:50.49 | babilen | shomon: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 14:51.03 | shomon | sorry it's the latest testing. |
| 14:51.43 | babilen | shomon: Did you follow http://wiki.debian.org/skype and in particular the instructions for "On Debian 7.0" → amd64 → Multi-Arch ? |
| 14:51.57 | shomon | no, I went to skypes website :S |
| 14:51.58 | shomon | thanks! |
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| 14:52.42 | babilen | shomon: Please follow those instructions. Also note that we can't really support skype, but feel free to ask here (or even better in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org)) if you have problems with multiarch |
| 14:53.05 | shomon | sure, I'm sorry to have to ask about this proprietary stuff |
| 14:53.45 | shomon | is debian-next a copy of this? generic help, or for things like skype? |
| 14:54.04 | babilen | shomon: I /guess/ that you only have to enable i386 and run "apt-get -f install", but this is mere conjecture. Please paste output to http://paste.debian.net if you need further help |
| 14:54.07 | boudiccas | shomon: its for debain 7, to be |
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| 14:54.51 | babilen | shomon: #debian-next is the support channel for testing/unstable on Debian's official IRC network (irc.oftc.net) |
| 14:54.56 | babilen | (see /topic) |
| 14:54.58 | shomon | aah thanks :) |
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| 14:56.54 | surf | hi guys any good guide out there to compile a 3.x vanilla kernel? |
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| 14:58.04 | babilen | surf: The seminal documentation is http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html but you can quite easily install a 3.2 kernel (for squeeze) from backports by following "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" -- What are you /really/ trying to do? |
| 14:58.36 | surf | babilen, I would like to try a 3.7 |
| 14:58.46 | babilen | surf: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 14:58.55 | surf | wheezy |
| 14:58.58 | SNow | Hi guys I have a problem with pptpd and mppe I get compressor dropped pkt, 3.0.23 kernel MTU/MRU are set to 1400. |
| 14:59.16 | SNow | I think it's a problem with ppp_mppe.ko module.. Maybe I should use older? |
| 14:59.42 | babilen | surf: You can easily pull 3.7 from experimental (linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64) |
| 14:59.45 | babilen | ,v linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64 |
| 14:59.46 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64 on i386 -- experimental: 3.7.1-1~experimental.1 |
| 15:00.31 | babilen | surf: Don't forget to set the default release to wheezy before you do that (in particular not if you add sid to your sources.list too) -- Why do you need 3.7 ? |
| 15:00.32 | surf | babilen, ok thx I'll give it a try |
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| 15:00.54 | babilen | surf: Where is that kernel from? |
| 15:01.06 | babilen | err, ENICK |
| 15:01.08 | surf | babilen, I read that there are some energy improvement (HD audio and pci suspension) and I would like to test that |
| 15:01.12 | babilen | SNow: Where is that kernel from? |
| 15:01.36 | babilen | surf: Does that mean that you have problems with the 3.2 kernel in wheezy and you expect those to be fixed in 3.7 ? |
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| 15:02.00 | surf | babilen, kind of. Should I try or not? |
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| 15:03.11 | babilen | surf: Sure, give it a try if you want to. It would be appreciated if you could file a bug report against linux-2.6 (or the kernel package you use in wheezy) if 3.7 fixes those problems for you. We might want to port those patches to 3.2 to ensure that wheezy users take advantage of them. |
| 15:03.45 | surf | oh ok, I'll see what can I do |
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| 15:09.40 | babilen | SNow: ? |
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| 15:14.06 | jerng | hi folks! my system is spamming tty1... how to avoid this? |
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| 15:14.46 | jhutchins_wk | jerng: Don't look. |
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| 15:15.44 | jerng | jhutchins_wk: ;) |
| 15:15.51 | jhutchins_wk | jerng: seriously, look at what it's saying. |
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| 15:16.16 | tassmjau | hi, does anyone know how I can install gist for command line use in sid? |
| 15:16.44 | tassmjau | to upload files to gist I mean. I have it working on my ubuntu machine, but can't find it for debian :C |
| 15:16.54 | jerng | jhutchins_wk: afair, system is usually spamming at tty8 or something like that... is this just a settings-issue? |
| 15:17.00 | SNow | babilen: that's vyatta kernel... |
| 15:17.07 | SNow | downgraded to 2.6, will check |
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| 15:17.53 | jhutchins_wk | jerng: 1) Not spam. 2) There are different levels of logging that get sent to different places. If it's showing up on tty1 it's important to READ WHAT IT SAYS. |
| 15:18.20 | babilen | !vyatta |
| 15:18.20 | dpkg | Vyatta Community Edition is a Linux distribution based on Debian - containing <Quagga>, <OpenVPN> and other networking applications - with a standardized CLI/GUI management console. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.vyatta.org/ ##vyatta on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:18.24 | babilen | SNow: ^^^ |
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| 15:18.40 | jerng | ok, convinced. |
| 15:18.45 | jerng | jhutchins_wk: thx |
| 15:19.54 | jhutchins_wk | jerng: If you need help understanding what it says we'll be glad to try. |
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| 15:24.00 | SNow | babilen: now the problem persists but there is no error. |
| 15:24.07 | SNow | for exampel one websites are ok and other are not working |
| 15:24.22 | babilen | SNow: vyatta is /not/ supported in here - take it to ##vyatta or use Debian |
| 15:24.26 | SNow | sorry :) |
| 15:24.31 | babilen | np, good luck! |
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| 15:24.53 | jerng | jhutchins_wk: it's messages from the wireless module (powersave/busy traffic). i guess i have to recompile it with deactivated debugging messages... |
| 15:25.02 | Ubiquity4321 | good morning |
| 15:25.05 | Ubiquity4321 | all |
| 15:25.34 | Ubiquity4321 | I have a fresh netinstall of debian |
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| 15:25.59 | babilen | jerng: Which kernel are you using? |
| 15:26.13 | dodo_ | hey. is there any way to change the baud rate of a serial port? |
| 15:26.17 | Ubiquity4321 | after GRUB, i get a blank screen with a blinking cursor |
| 15:26.57 | jerng | babilen: 3.2.27, originally taken from a rasbian image |
| 15:26.58 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Which version of Debian did you install and did you leave any other operating system on the box? Where did you install the boot loader (that is: grub) ? |
| 15:27.19 | babilen | jerng: So this is on a raspberry pi with a raspbian kernel? |
| 15:27.45 | jhutchins_wk | jerng: You can configure options in the modules config files. |
| 15:28.18 | jerng | babilen: yep. just debootstrapped a "fresh" debian/rasbian and took the existing kernel |
| 15:28.23 | babilen | yeah, the module might have a corresponding setting (check "modinfo NAME-OF-THE-MODULE") |
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| 15:28.31 | jerng | jhutchins_wk: ok, where to find those files? |
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| 15:29.06 | jhutchins_wk | /etc/modules |
| 15:29.08 | babilen | jerng: Debian or Raspbian? Either way: I guess that you'll find much more people familiar with the raspbian kernel in #raspbian |
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| 15:29.16 | larst | hi all |
| 15:29.23 | babilen | (and we wouldn't support raspbian anyway) |
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| 15:29.38 | jhutchins_wk | jerng: That is a bit unusual for a production module. |
| 15:29.44 | Ubiquity4321_ | that was odd...it timed out or something... |
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| 15:29.48 | larst | how would be debian wheezy for my PC? |
| 15:29.59 | jhutchins_wk | larst: It would be testing. |
| 15:30.03 | jerng | babilen: jhutchins_wk: ok, i'll try that. anyways, thanks for your support! |
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| 15:30.06 | Ubiquity4321_ | so can anyone assist me with this problem? |
| 15:30.19 | babilen | larst: I don't quite understand your question ... |
| 15:30.34 | larst | well do you recommend it to meß |
| 15:30.39 | larst | i am looking for a system |
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| 15:30.55 | babilen | Ubiquity4321_: I asked you a number of questions -- We can continue if you answer them :) |
| 15:31.15 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: i am sorry, my connection timed out a minute ago |
| 15:31.24 | Ubiquity4321 | i had to restart the webchat |
| 15:31.24 | {her|bert} | Ubiquity4321: Is the screen really blank or something like Ubiquity4321@debian:~$ and cursor? |
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| 15:31.37 | Ubiquity4321 | blank, blinking cursor |
| 15:31.48 | Ubiquity4321 | i've tried a bunch of arguments |
| 15:32.06 | Ubiquity4321 | nomodeset, noacpi, noapic |
| 15:32.08 | babilen | larst: Sure, try it and check if you like it. Note that it hasn't been released and that we are still working on it. You can get installer images with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ and images that don't require you to be online (but that don't come with firmware) from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:32.21 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Which version of Debian did you install and did you leave any other operating system on the box? Where did you install the boot loader (that is: grub) ? |
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| 15:32.55 | Ubiquity4321 | grub is installed to whatever the default place is (mbr i think?) |
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| 15:33.07 | larst | babilen: thank you very much |
| 15:33.23 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: debian 6.06 netinstall |
| 15:33.26 | babilen | larst: You might also want to read http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual -- just ask if you have further questions. |
| 15:33.29 | Ubiquity4321 | downloaded yesterday |
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| 15:33.44 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: no other os's on the box |
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| 15:36.27 | jacklk | I think my graphics card totally doesn't work with Debian. It's a Radeon 6290, can someone help? I've had nothing but trouble. |
| 15:36.34 | jhutchins_wk | Ubiquity4321: The usual reason for this is that the device that grub was configured to use as /boot or / has a different ID than it did when grub was set up. |
| 15:37.11 | Ubiquity4321 | jhutchins_wk: how would I go about determining if this is the issue or not? |
| 15:37.13 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Is it an EFI box? |
| 15:37.39 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: How did you install Debian? Did you, by chance, install it from a USB stick? |
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| 15:38.04 | babilen | dpkg: fixmbr |
| 15:38.05 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 15:38.07 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: don't know what EFI is, so i don't think so. |
| 15:38.10 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Could you try ^^^^ |
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| 15:38.25 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: yes, actually. i installed from a usb stick |
| 15:38.33 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: How did you create that installer? |
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| 15:39.38 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: Universal_USB_Installer_1.9.2.1.exe on windows 7 |
| 15:39.52 | jacklk | I think my graphics card totally doesn't work with Debian. It's a Radeon 6290, can someone help? I've had nothing but trouble. |
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| 15:41.30 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Hmm, ok. I don't know that particular tool and we recommend the one linked in "/msg dpkg usb install" on Windows. Could you try the <fixmbr> procedure our bot just mentioned please? Windows 7 /might/ also imply that your computer does, in fact, use EFI -- Check your BIOS for that, but I would start with the fixmbr one. (install it to, say, /dev/sda and /not/ to a partition (/dev/sda1 or so)) |
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| 15:41.39 | babilen | jacklk: One moment please |
| 15:41.54 | babilen | jacklk: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 15:42.04 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: it is actually the OTHER computer sitting right here beside me |
| 15:42.11 | netchip | Hey |
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| 15:42.16 | jacklk | babilen: The latest Squeeze version, I downloaded it this morning. |
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| 15:42.18 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: not the one i am typing from |
| 15:42.19 | netchip | Will Android EGL binaries work for X11? |
| 15:42.26 | jacklk | Maybe 6.0.6, idk. |
| 15:42.57 | babilen | jacklk: Thank you - Give me a second |
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| 15:44.52 | babilen | jacklk: I guess that this graphic card is too new for the kernel/Xorg that comes with squeeze -- Is this for your personal machine and would you mind trying wheezy (i.e. testing, current frozen development release) ? |
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| 15:45.02 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: so what is the EFI all about? |
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| 15:45.57 | OsteHovel | dpkg: install openttd |
| 15:45.57 | dpkg | i don't know, OsteHovel |
| 15:46.02 | OsteHovel | ;-) |
| 15:46.17 | jacklk | babilen: Sure. |
| 15:46.29 | jacklk | I do prefer newever software anyway. |
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| 15:46.55 | babilen | jacklk: Ok, do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
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| 15:47.14 | jacklk | babilen: I guess so, but it's pretty slow -- 2Mb/s |
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| 15:47.45 | oo_miguel | I have over 100 kernel threads running, is this normal? |
| 15:47.48 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: EFI is about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface -- check your BIOS for EFI/Legacy. But give the "fixmbr" procedure a try first |
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| 15:48.21 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: could you walk me through fixing the mbr with that method? i'm not new to linux, but i'm not a sysadmin yet |
| 15:48.40 | Ubiquity4321 | yet... |
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| 15:49.30 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Sure -- Please boot into the Debian installer (or a live CD if you like) and change to the other console (ALT-F2) |
| 15:49.55 | jacklk | babilen: What iso should I download? |
| 15:50.32 | babilen | jacklk: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/ -- I would recommend to install a smaller desktop environment such as XFCE though, but that is entirely up to you. See "/msg dpkg install xfce" for instructions with that |
| 15:51.16 | babilen | jacklk: Is it a wired internet connection or a wireless? |
| 15:51.17 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: just a minute |
| 15:52.43 | jacklk | babilen: Both :P And yes, Xfce is my favourite DE anyway |
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| 15:52.54 | jacklk | I'll use LAN |
| 15:53.45 | babilen | jacklk: I would recommend to connect via ethernet during the installation -- Make sure to enable XFCE in the installer boot menu or /don't/ install the desktop task, but install XFCE4 later |
| 15:54.00 | jacklk | Okay |
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| 15:57.13 | jacklk | babilen: Is "firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent" correct to use? |
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| 15:58.34 | babilen | jacklk: That looks about right, but I would simply download the one I linked above directly from the mirror |
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| 15:59.01 | jacklk | babilen: Okay |
| 15:59.19 | jacklk | The tracker seems to be down for the torrent anyway? |
| 15:59.36 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: I'm sorry, I've got to go to work. Just got a call :( |
| 15:59.39 | OsteHovel | Stuid question, but anyway, is it posible to load another kernel ontop of the ones running at runtime? (not updating it, but like compleatly replacing it, like chainloading the windows bootloader in grub) |
| 15:59.48 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: will you be on later? or someone that can guide me through the install? |
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| 16:00.30 | jhutchins_wk | Ubiquity4321: Your best guides are the ones from the debian web pages/wiki, but there are people on here most of the time who can at least help with basic problems. |
| 16:00.52 | Ubiquity4321 | jhutchins_wk: thank you for your help |
| 16:00.59 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: and thank YOU for the help |
| 16:01.08 | Ubiquity4321 | cya |
| 16:01.10 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Enjoy and until later! |
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| 16:01.24 | babilen | jacklk: No idea about the torrent |
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| 16:01.54 | netchip | How to cross compile Debian for ARMv7a? |
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| 16:02.35 | jelly-home | netchip: why would you, armhf is already ~ ARMv7? |
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| 16:03.37 | netchip | jelly-home, I'm new to compiling Linux distros, although I'm using them for ~2 years. It's gonna run on my SGS3, don't I need to do a custom kernel compile for that? |
| 16:03.37 | shomon | is there a guide to updating drupal core? |
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| 16:03.53 | shomon | oops wrong window sorry |
| 16:04.04 | jelly-home | netchip: kernel, probably. Debian (= userspace), no |
| 16:05.07 | jelly-home | completely different code and approach for kernel (and uboot or whatever you use for booting and preparing the hardware for linux kernel) and for userspace |
| 16:05.40 | netchip | jelly-home, Ah, I have to create a vanilla Linux kernel with a initrd suitable for Debian, and then just dd an Debian ARM image to my root partition? |
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| 16:06.14 | jelly-home | no idea. Each embedded device is different |
| 16:06.14 | jhutchins_wk | jacklk: Try the regular download link. The torrents can be unreliable. |
| 16:06.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell netchip about arm |
| 16:06.42 | jelly-home | netchip: it's almost never as easy as that, tho |
| 16:06.45 | OsteHovel | netchip: You gonna run it on your Samsung Galaxy S3? |
| 16:07.18 | jhutchins_wk | netchip: Lots of Debian specific guides on teh interwebs. |
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| 16:09.20 | FigaroXXX | WWW.JIZZDAY.COM |
| 16:09.50 | Artemis3 | spambot... |
| 16:09.59 | netchip | OsteHovel, Yeah |
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| 16:10.29 | pmo | jizzaday would sound better :) |
| 16:10.40 | netchip | jhutchins_wk, jelly-home: this'd work? http://linux-sunxi.org/Debian :) |
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| 16:12.57 | jacklk | Does anyone know why downloads keep stalling when using Linux? I either have to pause the download, or in some cases I have to quit the program to get the download working again. |
| 16:13.11 | OsteHovel | torrent? |
| 16:13.17 | jacklk | No |
| 16:13.25 | OsteHovel | wget? |
| 16:13.47 | jacklk | Sometimes, and Firefox. It doesn't matter what program -- it is always the same. |
| 16:13.53 | OsteHovel | Strange |
| 16:13.56 | jacklk | They stall. |
| 16:14.26 | OsteHovel | Maybe your router is running hot |
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| 16:14.31 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 16:14.46 | jacklk | no |
| 16:14.47 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 16:14.52 | jacklk | it's only on Linux |
| 16:15.11 | OsteHovel | Strange, is it wired or wifi? |
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| 16:15.47 | ws2k3 | hi my free -m shows me 744 free buffered/cache but how should i read that in this image ? http://freegamehosting.nl/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/497x424xmemory-day.png.pagespeed.ic.5UcElFsJEJ.png |
| 16:15.55 | k0mbucha | hi |
| 16:15.55 | jacklk | Both I get the same issue |
| 16:15.58 | ws2k3 | i dont understand the legenda |
| 16:16.06 | k0mbucha | how can i install debian testing with kde? |
| 16:16.15 | k0mbucha | is there any guide on the net? |
| 16:16.50 | zykotick9 | k0mbucha: just install minimal, then install whatever DE you want after... just my suggestion... |
| 16:17.07 | k0mbucha | and is unstable branch likely to break? |
| 16:17.37 | jhutchins_wk | k0mbucha: certain to break. |
| 16:17.37 | k0mbucha | zykotick9: ok thanks...but how can i download directly testing version of kde? |
| 16:17.49 | jhutchins_wk | k0mbucha: That's what it's for. |
| 16:17.49 | Drager | When will wheezy be stable? |
| 16:17.56 | k0mbucha | jhutchins_wk: and testing? |
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| 16:18.24 | zykotick9 | !tell Drager about wwwr |
| 16:18.24 | jhutchins_wk | k0mbucha: testing is fairly mature but can still break and stay broken for days, especially as final fixes are worked out. |
| 16:18.43 | jhutchins_wk | k0mbucha: Testing also does not get prompt security updates. |
| 16:18.53 | ws2k3 | hi my free -m shows me 744 free buffered/cache but how should i read that in this image ? http://freegamehosting.nl/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/497x424xmemory-day.png.pagespeed.ic.5UcElFsJEJ.png which color is free |
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| 16:19.16 | jacklk | Is testing really that unstable, or is it perfectly usable for the average user? I am downloading it |
| 16:19.21 | k0mbucha | jhutchins_wk: ok...thanks for all |
| 16:19.30 | Artemis3 | jacklk, maybe try pinging your isp |
| 16:19.30 | boudiccas | \aatmm in testing logcheck is broken, theres a patch for it on the BTS but it doesnt work, its still broken even with the patch |
| 16:19.37 | k0mbucha | i will return if sthing in the installation goes bad |
| 16:19.41 | k0mbucha | thank you :) |
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| 16:20.04 | Wulf | is there any debian install image which fits on a 4 GB USB key? |
| 16:20.11 | jacklk | Artemis3: ? |
| 16:20.12 | Wulf | or should I just go for the CD version then? |
| 16:20.18 | jhutchins_wk | Wulf: Most of them should. |
| 16:20.29 | OsteHovel | netinstall? |
| 16:20.40 | jhutchins_wk | Wulf: The netinstall is the most efficient, only download what you use. |
| 16:20.59 | Wulf | I'm not sure if I will have internet connection :/ |
| 16:21.14 | k0mbucha | another question: how can i install proprietary nvidia drivers (free ones give lots of problems) |
| 16:21.20 | OsteHovel | netchip: You interested in running debian userland on SGS3? |
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| 16:22.10 | zykotick9 | !tell k0mbucha about nvidia dkms |
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| 16:24.30 | jesdoy | hello I am planning to install debian testing on my 64bit desktop computer, but I don't now which image I should download for a 64Bit computer amd64 or armel or kfreebsd, I don't know, can you help me? |
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| 16:25.02 | Grotesque | amd64 |
| 16:25.09 | jelly-home | jesdoy: amd64 (yes, even for an intel cpu) |
| 16:25.23 | jesdoy | thank you |
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| 16:26.54 | netchip | OsteHovel, Yeah, obviously. I have running it in a chroot, but native > chroot |
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| 16:28.02 | pippuri | I installed windows xp on a separate hdd and now my time is screwed up on debian, how can I fix this? |
| 16:28.30 | netchip | lol Debian, kiddin' me? |
| 16:28.49 | netchip | It has Graphic environment default ticked on while installing Debian |
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| 16:29.53 | format_c | Pip Set the tim properly in tue Bios original bett .se .TP |
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| 16:31.18 | pippuri | ok, I'll check |
| 16:32.00 | format_c | !tell pippuri about ntp |
| 16:32.30 | jhutchins_wk | format_c: Problem is that windows doesn't understand system clock set to UTC. |
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| 16:33.44 | Arrowmaster | so you have to tell debian that the system clock is in local time instead of UTC, the way to do this is different between squeeze and wheezy though |
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| 16:34.42 | pippuri | system time in bios looks ok |
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| 16:36.35 | pippuri | hey, my time is correct again! I wonder what fixed it :S |
| 16:37.03 | format_c | Good mood ? |
| 16:37.41 | format_c | :-) |
| 16:38.05 | pippuri | I guess :D |
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| 16:38.17 | kke05597 | ciao |
| 16:38.25 | kke05597 | !list |
| 16:38.25 | dpkg | kke05597: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 16:39.21 | kke05597 | !list |
| 16:39.22 | dpkg | kke05597: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:40.54 | format_c | kke05597 hi just ask |
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| 16:42.03 | frenbu | pippuri: try to boot win7 and then boot again debian, the time will probably scew up again |
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| 16:42.33 | frenbu | pippuri: win xp sry |
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| 16:45.57 | pippuri | I'll pass on that, already took out the other hard drive before I asked for help. I've had my fill of gaming for now |
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| 16:47.33 | jhutchins_wk | pippuri: The problem is that Windows doesn't usually know how to deal with a system clock set to UTC, so it "fixes" it. |
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| 16:48.09 | jhutchins_wk | pippuri: When you come back to linux, it applies the offset for your localle and squoosh - bad clock time. |
| 16:48.39 | loin | hello, i bought a new wifi card for my laptop but the new laptop won't accept it :(, it shows up just fine if i lspci, iwconfig it but it's hard blocked (rf kill), any ideas on what i could do? |
| 16:49.04 | pippuri | oh, so that explains it |
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| 16:50.11 | jhutchins_wk | loin: Do you suppose that might depend on what hardware it is? |
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| 16:50.42 | loin | jhutchins_wk, asus laptop, intel wifi |
| 16:51.26 | loin | i don't get it, it works on my two other laptops |
| 16:51.34 | loin | just that this one refuses to let it connect |
| 16:51.37 | jhutchins_wk | loin: What kind of "card"? |
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| 16:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | loin: Sounds like the system might think there's a hardware switch. |
| 16:52.04 | loin | jhutchins_wk, intel n 1000 half mini pci express |
| 16:52.07 | zykotick9 | loin: does "lspci | grep -i eth" show your wireless card? |
| 16:52.21 | loin | and there is a toggle, it just doesn't respond to it |
| 16:52.23 | loin | with that card |
| 16:52.42 | loin | zykotick9, wlan1, yes it does |
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| 16:52.46 | zykotick9 | loin: we want the pciid, which looks like [168c:001c], you need to use "lspci -nn | grep -i eth" to see ta |
| 16:53.43 | loin | zykotick9, i don't have it on right now, since i don't have a internet cable |
| 16:53.59 | loin | and it's not easy to get to it, i have to take everything out of my laptop |
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| 16:55.18 | loin | zykotick9, i think it's 8086:0084 |
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| 16:55.33 | zykotick9 | loin: side note. wlan1 - that's your second wireless, are you sure you setting up the right device? and not the default wlan0? |
| 16:55.36 | jelly-home | ,pciid 8086:0084 |
| 16:55.37 | judd | [8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 16:55.43 | jelly-home | yeah that'd be it |
| 16:56.45 | loin | zykotick9, wlan0 is my atheros card |
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| 16:56.59 | loin | zykotick9, when i replace that card with the intel one, i get wlan1 |
| 16:57.04 | loin | and no wlan0 |
| 16:57.16 | jhutchins_wk | is being schooled that intel is now using "centrino" for more than cpu naming. |
| 16:57.17 | zykotick9 | loin: ahh udev sees the mac change.. |
| 16:57.34 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: centrino had always been the whole platform |
| 16:58.05 | jelly-home | cpu+chipset+wifi+certain power mgt promises |
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| 16:58.34 | d[^_^]b | hiii everyone, i made a boo-boo and copied /etc/ from one server to a new one, overwriting some shadow file and now can't change passwords or authenticate with passwords, though SSH key auth still works |
| 16:58.47 | d[^_^]b | i've tried pwconv and pwck but it doesn't change the situation |
| 16:59.56 | jelly-home | d[^_^]b: the remedy is effectively the same as if you've forgotten the root password |
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| 17:00.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell d[^_^]b about ifrp |
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| 17:00.27 | loin | so... do you think there is any way to bypass the hard block? |
| 17:00.39 | d[^_^]b | i don't think it will help actually, i can login to root, and i'm able to type passwd but it doesn't want to change |
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| 17:01.17 | jhutchins_wk | d[^_^]b: Check ownership/permissions of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 17:01.30 | jhutchins_wk | d[^_^]b: Are you our KC guy? |
| 17:01.31 | jelly-home | d[^_^]b: do you have a backup of old /etc/shadow? What's the timestamp of /etc/shadow- ? |
| 17:01.54 | d[^_^]b | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1543 Jan 4 11:45 /etc/passwd |
| 17:01.54 | d[^_^]b | -r--r----- 1 root shadow 1027 Jan 4 11:45 /etc/shadow |
| 17:01.54 | d[^_^]b | -rw------- 1 root root 974 Jan 4 11:44 /etc/shadow- |
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| 17:02.47 | jelly-home | d[^_^]b: is this a Debian system? /etc/shadow ought to be writable by the owner. |
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| 17:02.56 | jelly-home | -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 2628 Sep 18 15:23 /etc/shadow |
| 17:02.58 | zykotick9 | d[^_^]b: shadow is missing w for root |
| 17:02.58 | koollman | d[^_^]b: missing write permisions on /etc/shadow, that may be the cause |
| 17:04.42 | jelly-home | the ownership and perms on the - file are incorrect as well, typically they'd be root:shadow and 0640 just like the current file |
| 17:04.45 | d[^_^]b | ah, that didn't help |
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| 17:05.30 | jelly-home | d[^_^]b: did you overwrite files in /etc/pam.d/ as well? |
| 17:05.59 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: my shadow- is root:root on wheezy |
| 17:06.07 | jelly-home | d[^_^]b: the obvious easiest thing to do is restore files from a backup |
| 17:06.21 | jelly-home | zykotick9: and 0600? well, mine's not |
| 17:06.31 | zykotick9 | -rw------- 1 root root 1042 Jan 2 01:51 shadow- |
| 17:07.16 | jelly-home | I think that's fine as well |
| 17:07.39 | jelly-home | doesn't really matter, that copy is not active |
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| 17:07.51 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: i'd assume that's default. new install and i haven't altered it. |
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| 17:10.17 | shmt_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/ heya, question - how do I know which ones I need? |
| 17:10.31 | jelly-home | zykotick9: could be. I've installed my testing systems before there was any testing. |
| 17:10.33 | Towzzer | are you installing a gui? |
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| 17:11.03 | shmt_ | Towzzer: yes, I read that the first is standard, but is there a litst? |
| 17:11.12 | Towzzer | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 17:11.15 | shmt_ | *list. |
| 17:11.17 | Towzzer | get DVD1 for now |
| 17:11.49 | zykotick9 | shmt_: cd1 is quasi-default install. but i'd recommend netinst really (assuming you have network during/after install) |
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| 17:12.17 | Towzzer | if your internet connection is fast the net install is a small download and will get the rest over the information super highway |
| 17:12.31 | shmt_ | zykotick9: I think I'm better off downloading at least part by myself, my internet connection isn't really fast :) |
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| 17:13.40 | zykotick9 | shmt_: too bad. netinst then installing only the packages you want, provides a cruft free system. enjoy debian. |
| 17:14.29 | shmt_ | but what I wanted to know, why are there so many cd/dvd's offered and is there a list of what exactly is inside? |
| 17:15.01 | Arrowmaster | theres so many because the entire archive is offered on dvd |
| 17:15.13 | zykotick9 | shmt_: you can in theory download the entire main repo on cd/dvd - but that's kinda pointless if you have an active network connection |
| 17:15.32 | shmt_ | aah I see! Thanks for the help :) |
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| 17:15.42 | Arrowmaster | either use the netinstall or dvd1 |
| 17:15.48 | zykotick9 | shmt_: good if you have NO network |
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| 17:16.25 | shmt_ | zykotick9: wouldn't downloading it by torrent be faster than whatever it uses to download it during install? Or torrent too? |
| 17:17.17 | zykotick9 | shmt_: i believe there is actually some apttorrent program/system. never bothered. apt + local apt-cacher servers work great for me ;) |
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| 17:18.36 | larstk | hi all |
| 17:18.44 | larstk | why do I need a EFI boot partition? |
| 17:19.47 | jhutchins_wk | larst: To replace some functions formerly performed by the BIOS. |
| 17:19.50 | jhutchins_wk | !efi |
| 17:19.51 | dpkg | efi is, like, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface |
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| 17:20.11 | jhutchins_wk | shmt_: Not usually. |
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| 17:21.01 | jhutchins_wk | shmt_: A netinstall is efficient because you only download what you actually use, but it downloads file-by-file, unlike torrent which does the whold iso. |
| 17:21.28 | larst | jhutchins_wk: yes but why a seperate partition? |
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| 17:21.37 | larst | jhutchins_wk: before i used ubuntu and i never had one |
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| 17:23.53 | shmt_ | jhutchins_wk: I see, thanks. Downloading the DVD for now, we'll see. Usual approach would be netinstall, I want to see if that's any faster |
| 17:23.57 | shmt_ | thanks for the answers :) |
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| 17:39.30 | joeytwiddle | if i accidentally open too many apps and fill up my memory, i find myself in swap hell. eventually Linux may kill one of the biggest processes. i wonder if i could make it more pre-emptive, so this happens sooner rather than later |
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| 17:40.58 | engla | joeytwiddle: you can make swap smaller |
| 17:41.02 | engla | or even disable it |
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| 17:48.04 | joeytwiddle | that might be the right move engla. i have 5gig memory and only 1gig swap anyway :) |
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| 17:52.30 | carrett | hi guys. when i try to load snd-hda-intel, i get this error (among others): snd_hda_codec: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_add. Consequently, can't load module i need and don't have sound. Any clues? |
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| 17:53.50 | jelly-home | carrett: looks as if someone tried building custom kernel or custom alsa-related modules for the current kernel |
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| 17:54.15 | jelly-home | carrett: which debian release is this, and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:55.21 | impiza | any one know how to create a .deb file |
| 17:55.38 | impiza | i just want to know how to configure rule file |
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| 17:56.36 | carrett | jelly-home: testing, uname says 3.2.0-4-amd64 (it's a stock debian kernel) |
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| 17:57.00 | carrett | impiza: that shit is hell of documented if you would just google for it |
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| 17:57.53 | impiza | which will be good search word |
| 17:57.57 | Gokee2 | joeyy, I use Debian on most of my computers. That computer mostly collects dust ATM but its got a more fun uname. |
| 17:58.15 | carrett | "how to create a debian package" |
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| 17:58.31 | jelly-home | carrett: really, "just google it" is not an acceptable answer -- you can assume users are not morons and have done their due diligence first |
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| 17:58.39 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell impiza about nmg |
| 17:59.08 | carrett | my b, i assume if i'm capable of just googling it, other people are as well |
| 17:59.22 | jelly-home | so you don't have to tell them that. |
| 17:59.33 | carrett | i assume i am the dumbest person in the room |
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| 18:00.26 | carrett | jelly-home: right, my point was that's how i did it, so when someone asks, that's what i tell them. but i won't say "just google it" anymore |
| 18:00.30 | jelly-home | carrett: which version of linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 is installed? Pastebin the output of "dpkg -l \*3.2.0-4-amd64", please |
| 18:00.32 | impiza | carrett: i have watched about 45 min videos in youtube but they dont say much about it thats why cam here sorry |
| 18:01.02 | carrett | impiza: no apologies necessary. 'tis i who should apologize |
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| 18:01.26 | carrett | http://pastie.org/5622246 |
| 18:01.33 | carrett | jelly-home: ^ |
| 18:01.58 | jelly-home | hm, that's the current one |
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| 18:02.51 | jelly-home | carrett: what about find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'snd*ko' -ls ? |
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| 18:04.57 | carrett | http://pastie.org/5622265 |
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| 18:06.12 | jelly-home | carrett: you have two snd.ko files in there, which package does /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/sound/acore/snd.ko belong to? |
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| 18:06.36 | carrett | not sure how to check :-/ |
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| 18:08.02 | carrett | looks like it shouldn't belong to anything...based on pdo results |
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| 18:10.14 | carrett | ok that is weird |
| 18:10.23 | jelly-home | dpkg -S /path/... |
| 18:10.24 | dpkg | There is no record of a /path/... package |
| 18:10.41 | jelly-home | that whole acore/ subdir seems a bit alien |
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| 18:11.12 | carrett | no query path found matching |
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| 18:11.29 | carrett | i guess maybe i installed alsa manually...i don't think so though |
| 18:11.38 | carrett | i could try removing it and running depmod? |
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| 18:13.46 | carrett | gotta go. trying it out. |
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| 18:15.00 | OsteHovel | netchip: May i ask you to join #debian-offtopic |
| 18:15.01 | OsteHovel | ? |
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| 18:17.33 | OsteHovel | !dpkg tell OsteHovel about offtopic |
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| 18:26.16 | queso | When doing a net install, is there a way to limit the download rate of the installer? |
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| 18:27.21 | smt | hi folks, i recently got a readynas and just apt-get upgraded it, but that process broke the users and groups, i found backupf files named group.org and passwd.org containing the correct data, how can i restore then? |
| 18:27.24 | smt | them |
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| 18:28.23 | somiaj | smt: you can just copy them back, might need to copy the shadow back too if passwords got messed up |
| 18:28.26 | somiaj | smt: of course back things up |
| 18:28.48 | smt | the shadow? |
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| 18:29.02 | somiaj | smt: /etc/shadow (where passwords usually are) |
| 18:29.32 | smt | hmm these backupfilse are in /etc |
| 18:29.38 | somiaj | smt: but I would look into why it was broke? What repo are you getting readynas from, my guess is you have an unoffical repo messing things up |
| 18:30.27 | somiaj | is the repo you use designed for the version of debian you are running. If it is not you may have more issues than messed up passwd and group files |
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| 18:31.02 | smt | i never changed the repos, so i guess they are what netgear supposed them to be |
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| 18:31.26 | OsteHovel | You find them at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:31.48 | somiaj | smt: what? I don't see any package named readynas in debian, so how did you install it or what is the package name? |
| 18:32.02 | somiaj | smt: what version of debian do you run, put your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 18:32.29 | smt | its the box.. its a netgear readynas nv+ nas system |
| 18:32.58 | somiaj | smt: ahh, well give us the copy of /etc/apt/sources.list and out it on paste.debian.net |
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| 18:33.28 | smt | the sources list contains www.readynas.com/packages 4.1.10 and archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 18:34.10 | somiaj | smt: sarge is way outdated, and we do not support the readynas.com repo. The fact that it messed up your system means you should conact their support |
| 18:34.11 | smt | nothing more |
| 18:34.36 | smt | yeah the box isnt the youngest anymore... |
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| 18:35.31 | smt | well ill give it a try to restore the backup files, otherwise ill reinstall the "firmware" |
| 18:35.43 | smt | thanks anyways |
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| 18:37.21 | somiaj | smt: well sarge has no securty support, but the archive.debian.org seems correct, as for what additional packages readynas.com is giving who knows what messed up the system |
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| 18:39.08 | JyZyXEL | whats a neat way to check if a variable contains a negative number and if so, make it 0? |
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| 18:39.41 | smt | somiaj: ill see, just rebooting the box |
| 18:40.08 | smt | luckily it didnt throw away the root login... |
| 18:40.23 | OsteHovel | ;-) |
| 18:40.36 | somiaj | the passwd, groups and shadow files are just that files and their backups can easily be coppied back or modified by hand |
| 18:40.44 | somiaj | or you can use the tools to modify them. Your choice |
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| 18:44.12 | smt | it worked, seems it broke nut too, but thats not a big problem, ill have another system watching it |
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| 18:48.21 | rubidious | Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to install the oracle virtualbox extension pack on debian |
| 18:48.47 | rubidious | but the latest version of virtualbox is 4.1.18_debian |
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| 18:49.25 | rubidious | is there a nice package for the oracle virtualbox extension pack for debian, or am I out of luck? |
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| 18:49.42 | somiaj | ,virtualbox |
| 18:49.45 | somiaj | ,v virtualbox |
| 18:49.46 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.18-dfsg-1.1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-1.1 |
| 18:49.46 | rubidious | it doesn't seem like oracle has the extension pack for the debian version |
| 18:50.10 | somiaj | you won't get a debian supported versin newer than 4.1.18 in testing/unstable |
| 18:50.38 | rubidious | I'm not looking for a new version of virtualbox, just a way to install the extensions |
| 18:50.38 | somiaj | you can install it from orcale (not supported by #debian but should work) or maybe /msg dpkg uupdate and make a package from the upstream source |
| 18:51.00 | somiaj | yea I'm unsure as I switched from virtual box to kvm |
| 18:51.01 | rubidious | I've tried installing from oracle, but I get a version mismatch (hence my question ) :P |
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| 18:51.18 | somiaj | yea you will hvae to match versions most likely |
| 18:52.07 | rubidious | oh nice I found one, they hid it quite well |
| 18:52.22 | somiaj | I see a virtualbox-guest-utils and a virtualbox-guest-additions-iso packages |
| 18:52.28 | somiaj | in debian |
| 18:52.37 | rubidious | yeah but I need oracle extension pack, not guest additions |
| 18:53.37 | jacklk | Gnome 3 always says it fails to start in Debian Wheezy, can someone help me installing the correct graphics driver? |
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| 18:53.54 | rubidious | yaaay, it lives! |
| 18:53.59 | rubidious | thanks for your help |
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| 18:58.14 | jacklk | Gnome 3 always says it fails to start in Debian Wheezy, can someone help me installing the correct graphics driver? |
| 18:58.36 | troybi | who knows assembly 8086? |
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| 19:02.58 | dondelelcaro | troybi: some of us do, but it's not on topic here. |
| 19:03.22 | dondelelcaro | troybi: try ##programming |
| 19:04.14 | mmnicolas | jacklk: pastebin your Xorg.0.log and the output of 'lspci -nn' |
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| 19:06.57 | troybi | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 19:09.11 | jacklk | http://paste.debian.net/221693/ |
| 19:09.19 | jacklk | http://paste.debian.net/221694/ |
| 19:09.27 | jacklk | Here. |
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| 19:13.27 | dsdeiz | hi all i did a dpkg-buildpackage -i -I but failed. i wanted to try again but it gives me errors saying things like 'cannot represent change to... binary file contents changed' |
| 19:13.47 | dsdeiz | is there a way to like 'clean' it? |
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| 19:15.21 | mmnicolas | jacklk: what is 'glxinfo | grep direct' saying ? |
| 19:15.58 | jacklk | "direct rendering: Yes" |
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| 19:16.51 | mmnicolas | try fglrx, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 19:18.09 | mmnicolas | use the same instructions as for Squeeze, add the non-free repo, install kernel headers fglrx-control & fglrx-driver |
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| 19:20.00 | Kaervan | anyone experience ibus not finding any input windows? (wheezy) |
| 19:20.27 | jacklk | Okay. |
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| 19:35.57 | smileee | byee :) |
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| 19:43.26 | matlock | have an issue. |
| 19:43.35 | matlock | my sound properties window doesn't look like it should |
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| 19:43.48 | matlock | it used to look like this |
| 19:43.51 | matlock | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_i85k04wopg/Tmt-Xo3VE1I/AAAAAAAABVo/T4eT-kUp8qo/gvolume1.jpg |
| 19:44.29 | matlock | but now it looks like this http://imgur.com/gvYHw |
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| 19:46.05 | sorressean | Anyone know what library dev package has gd.h? |
| 19:46.24 | nkuttler | !tell sorressean about search |
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| 19:47.18 | sorressean | nkuttler: thanks |
| 19:47.43 | foo | I am trying to install dropbox on debian but I'm getting this: zipimport.ZipImportError: can't decompress data; zlib not available - anyone else seen this? I've spent about an hour googling and have tried different things but I still seem to get this error. |
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| 19:49.25 | sorressean | ur. I tried apt-file search gd.h and apt-file list gd.h |
| 19:49.36 | sorressean | I also did an apt-file update |
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| 19:52.22 | peterrooney | ,file /gd.h |
| 19:52.26 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 19:52.31 | peterrooney | ,file gd.h |
| 19:52.36 | judd | Search for gd.h in squeeze/i386: libgd2-noxpm-dev: usr/include/gd.h; libgd2-xpm-dev: usr/include/gd.h; libg2-dev: usr/include/g2_gd.h; libwmf-dev: usr/include/libwmf/gd.h, usr/include/libwmf/gd/gd.h; libbotan1.8-dev: usr/include/botan/es_egd.h; libgupnp-igd-1.0-dev: usr/include/gupnp-igd-1.0/libgupnp-igd/gupnp-simple-igd.h; php5-dev: usr/include/php5/ext/gd/php_gd.h; libshogun-dev: |
| 19:52.37 | judd | usr/include/shogun/classifier/svm/SVMSGD.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/include/config/ide/gd.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686/include/config/ide/gd.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem/include/config/ide/gd.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-openvz-686: usr/src/linux- (2 more messages) |
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| 19:52.57 | peterrooney | Well, that could be very confusing. |
| 19:54.26 | foo | ah, got it |
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| 19:56.41 | sorressean | weird, thanks. not sure why apt-file didn't find it. :( |
| 19:57.34 | shmt|afk | hey,02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 19:57.52 | shmt|afk | am I supposed to use iwlegaccy or iwlwifi for this? |
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| 19:58.04 | shmt|afk | trying to install wireless drivers :) |
| 19:58.25 | jelly-home | shmt|afk: what's the pci id for that thing? (lspci -nn, with two -n, says what?) |
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| 19:59.00 | shmt|afk | Network Connection [8086:4229] ? |
| 19:59.01 | jelly-home | and just how do you type while being afk |
| 19:59.07 | shmt|afk | jelly-home: magic :P |
| 19:59.12 | jelly-home | ,pciid 8086:4229 |
| 19:59.13 | judd | [8086:4229] is 'PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4229 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 19:59.26 | jelly-home | looks like "iwlagn" eh? |
| 19:59.31 | shmt|afk | beautiful,thanks :) |
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| 20:01.54 | [TheFlash] | hi i'm having a problem with hibernating my notebook computer (running debian squeeze) |
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| 20:02.24 | [TheFlash] | hibernate succeeds, it never resumes (it just boots normally) |
| 20:03.01 | [TheFlash] | there is a swap partition, /dev/sda3, 2 GB |
| 20:03.27 | [TheFlash] | i tried running mkswap on it again, but it didn't work |
| 20:03.47 | [TheFlash] | the swap partition is listed in /etc/fstab |
| 20:04.20 | [TheFlash] | however, that partition does not end on a cylinder boundary (none of my partitions do) |
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| 20:06.23 | [TheFlash] | do i need to modify /etc/default/grub? |
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| 20:08.36 | [TheFlash] | oops, the /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume blkid wasn't correct |
| 20:08.43 | [TheFlash] | nevermind |
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| 20:14.02 | jelly-home | the best kind of users are those that answer their queries themselves |
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| 20:14.39 | jelly-home | joeyy: yes? |
| 20:15.49 | joeyy | miss click |
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| 20:17.01 | jelly-home | ah, np |
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| 20:22.17 | darsie | How can I make screen shots with the print screen key? |
| 20:24.19 | alkul | darsie: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 20:24.26 | darsie | gnome/e16 |
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| 20:35.55 | r3m | ,v screenfetch |
| 20:35.56 | judd | No package named 'screenfetch' was found in i386. |
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| 20:36.42 | somiaj | r3m: you can /msg judd v package_name |
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| 20:37.17 | somiaj | darsie: you can install the program 'scrot' and then make a keybinding in your wm/de to run that program when you hit the printscreen key |
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| 20:43.40 | darsie | works, thx. |
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| 20:57.55 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:58.29 | Posterdati | please I need help to install skype on wheezy amd64, it complains about ia32-libs that are not long installable! |
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| 20:59.03 | jelly-home | Posterdati: /msg dpkg multiarch howto |
| 20:59.13 | Posterdati | thanks |
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| 21:01.39 | Posterdati | please is anyone using a logitech unifying device with more than a logitech device? |
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| 21:02.30 | blixten | when using chroot, is this normal |
| 21:02.31 | blixten | /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:02.35 | dawud | in fedora/rhel/derivatives there's an option to allow for global passphrases when using LUKS devices, does this option exists in Debian? or is it something LUKS specific? |
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| 21:03.02 | dawud | exist* |
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| 21:05.08 | beboj | sorry guys I know its debian channel but my issue was exactly same on squeeze before, could someone give me just the right direction |
| 21:05.11 | beboj | http://askubuntu.com/questions/235859/running-sierra-wireless-gobi-2000-under-ubuntu |
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| 21:09.09 | Posterdati | jelly: would i386 packages interfere with my system performance? |
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| 21:09.23 | Posterdati | jelly-home: would i386 packages interfere with my system performance? |
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| 21:11.09 | matlock | Posterdati, i've seen someone use a unifying device with a mouse and keyboard |
| 21:11.15 | matlock | on xp |
| 21:11.22 | Posterdati | ah, no I mean on linux |
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| 21:11.29 | matlock | but.. if i recall it didn't work correctly |
| 21:11.46 | matlock | if i'm correct, those things are pos |
| 21:11.53 | jelly-home | Posterdati: I don't believe they would interfere in any perceptible way. |
| 21:12.04 | Posterdati | ok tx |
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| 21:12.25 | Posterdati | I did as stated in the howto, I hope it will work |
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| 21:12.41 | matlock | the only problem to using i386 packages i could see.. wouldn't they still have the 4gb memory cap? |
| 21:13.01 | matlock | but if it's related to your keyboard... i don't see how that would be an issue |
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| 21:13.41 | matlock | aah, just read back.. |
| 21:13.47 | Posterdati | I've got a keyboard + mouse combo, but I've got another mouse too (an mx) and I want to use it with the key only |
| 21:14.10 | matlock | and you don't wanna use two usb ports |
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| 21:14.17 | aah | matlock: yes? :) |
| 21:14.17 | Posterdati | no, only one |
| 21:14.30 | matlock | aah no not you..lol |
| 21:14.41 | Posterdati | matlock: yes I want to use only one usb port for both |
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| 21:15.08 | matlock | i'm not sure if a unifying device will recognize another mouse |
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| 21:15.24 | matlock | as i said before, even with a different model logitech mouse, it didn't see it on the setup i saw |
| 21:15.44 | Posterdati | matlock: logitech tells that if both uses unifying technology it is possible |
| 21:15.45 | matlock | i even reinstalled everything, reset the junk with the little buttons, and we still had to use the other dongle that came with it |
| 21:16.06 | aah | hehe :) |
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| 21:16.41 | matlock | Posterdati, that's exactly what we were running into, on the website and the packaging, everything said it should have worked |
| 21:16.52 | matlock | but in practice, it turned out to be different |
| 21:16.56 | Posterdati | lol |
| 21:17.04 | eptalon | i reid transcoding a movie from mkv to mp4, and tried to use optional subtitles (ie. selectable), using handbrake. Looks like it did not work. ideas? |
| 21:17.55 | somiaj | eptalon: I'd probabaly seek support from the software you are using. Get better luck there. |
| 21:18.12 | somiaj | eptalon: i.e. it is more a software issue and less a #debian issue. I use mencoder myself, but don't use that often to give much advise |
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| 21:18.52 | eptalon | somiaj: I am pretty agnostic, ultimately I want an mp4, with selectable subtitles ot watch on my blackberry. |
| 21:19.09 | eptalon | (which also plays avi, and a few other formats) |
| 21:20.00 | Kaervan | the more I poke at this IME issue, the worse it gets, hah. I switched from ibus to scim, and now it's not even showing the method engines. I have scim-mozc and scim-anthy installed, but neither show up in scim config |
| 21:20.19 | somiaj | eptalon: yea I would find a piece of software you like, and then use their support, read their documentation |
| 21:21.08 | eptalon | somiaj: thx for the advice. Avid debian user otherwise. |
| 21:21.37 | somiaj | eptalon: yea get software you can use on debian. Or maybe ask for software suggestions. Only one i know of is mplayer/mencoder |
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| 21:24.05 | frostschutz | Kaervan: scim/ibus needs certain env vars to be set, is that the case on your system? |
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| 21:27.09 | touki | Hi all, |
| 21:27.21 | touki | Do you know how to install dbfpy on debian ? |
| 21:27.42 | Kaervan | frostschutz: I've set XMODIFIERS, GTK_IM_MODULE, and QT_IM_MODULE in 74custom-scim_startup as suggested on the scim wiki |
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| 21:28.20 | Kaervan | oh, wait, I might not have LC_CTYPE set >.> |
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| 21:28.41 | touki | doesn't seem to exist a dbfpy package |
| 21:28.48 | touki | should I use easy_install ? |
| 21:28.56 | frostschutz | Kaervan: LC_CTYPE should be unimportant... but verify that the variables are actually set in your DE |
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| 21:32.04 | lys | Hi, If I want to compile asla sound drivers from source and keep updating them from source, is it best practice to uninstall alsa-base package first which comes with distribution? |
| 21:32.20 | lys | *alsa |
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| 21:33.58 | Towzzer | yes because maybe that package is updated |
| 21:34.11 | Towzzer | you type upgrade and depending on locations some stuff is overridden |
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| 21:34.47 | lys | thought so, thanks |
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| 21:38.21 | eptalon | lanfear |
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| 21:39.14 | nyuszika7h | hi, I'm looking for a program that runs a command and logs all file operations, to be rolled back later. is there something like that? |
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| 21:45.59 | samruger | im having an issue settiing up wpa_supplicant and roaming, ive been googling and reading man pages but i cant for the life of me figure out what im missing... ive followed several "tutorials" to no avail. will some one help me set this up please? |
| 21:46.38 | joltcan | nyuszika7h: Really good question, I haven't heard about that, I usually do regular backups instead, but I see the need for something like that |
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| 21:50.03 | p8m | nyuszika7h: That would probably have to be implemented at the filesystem/kernel level right? |
| 21:50.09 | nyuszika7h | not sure |
| 21:50.14 | nyuszika7h | but installwatch seems to be something like that |
| 21:50.17 | Kaervan | frostschutz: sorry for the delay. After getting into gnome, my env shows variables are set correctly |
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| 21:53.57 | p8m | nyuszika7h: Check out ionotify. It's a kernel feature that can track fs changes. |
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| 21:56.05 | p8m | nyuszika7h: btrfs has fs snapshots and rollback features. I don't know how mature they are. |
| 21:56.25 | nyuszika7h | interesting |
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| 22:22.05 | Innocentus | there is a test-server for testing, a build server for building, how should the debian system be named which is used for editing files? |
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| 22:23.12 | Kaervan | choose a hostname of a favorite author |
| 22:23.41 | Innocentus | Kaervan: what do you recommend ? :) |
| 22:24.34 | Kaervan | unfortunately, I don't. I haven't read many, if any, worthy litterary works. I also don't have the spare memory for the names of the authors :) |
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| 22:25.40 | Kaervan | besides, it would need to be a favorite of yours, not mine :) |
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| 22:28.45 | wols_ | Innocentus: Dewey. cause it's a library and holds files |
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| 22:41.01 | Innocentus | :) |
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| 22:49.42 | Posterdati | hi |
| 22:49.56 | Posterdati | how can I change my keyboard layout on wheezy? |
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| 22:53.48 | rudi_s | Posterdati: Use your desktop environment or setxkbmap or /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 22:54.30 | Posterdati | rudi_s: I'm using wheezy and a logitech mk520 keyboard, I need to remap Alt key |
| 22:54.57 | tezl | hi, I am having trouble finding the definition of struct addrinfo on Debian 6 Squeeze. It is defined in /usr/include/netdb.h, but for some reason whenever I include this file, it is left undefined. Here is a test case and my attempts so far: http://codepad.org/PQduwIuY - can anyone solve this strange problem? |
| 22:54.57 | rudi_s | Posterdati: In that case either your desktop environment tools or xmodmap |
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| 22:55.51 | rudi_s | tezl: man 3 getaddrinfo - include the three headers and it should be there. |
| 22:56.16 | tezl | rudi_s: it's not, that's the whole point - did you even look at my paste? |
| 22:56.23 | rudi_s | tezl: No. |
| 22:56.27 | tezl | ok, please do that |
| 22:57.11 | rudi_s | tezl: As the man page states, you need _POSIC_X_SOURCE >=1 or _XOPEN_SOURCE or _POSIX_SOURCE defined to use the function (and the struct). |
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| 22:58.15 | rudi_s | tezl: Btw. how do you compile the program? |
| 22:58.20 | rudi_s | It works fine for me. |
| 22:58.25 | rudi_s | (Without any defines.) |
| 22:58.42 | rudi_s | Oh, overlooked like 15 |
| 22:58.45 | tezl | rudi_s: $ gcc -Wall -Werror -Wextra -pedantic -std=c89 test.c |
| 22:58.53 | rudi_s | Yeah. In that case you need to define one of the macros. |
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| 22:59.11 | tezl | rudi_s: ah, ok |
| 22:59.15 | rudi_s | Because you ask gcc to force a strict language set, and getaddrinfo is specified in POSIX, etc. |
| 22:59.22 | tezl | rudi_s: aha, thank you :-) |
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| 22:59.53 | rudi_s | tezl: np - something like -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 for example. |
| 23:00.26 | lonewulf85 | Hello don't get all hgih and mighty I have a question about rhythmbox it will not play last.fm |
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| 23:01.35 | fourq | I installed my editer in opt/ should I always have to 'sudo <editor name>'? I usually install it in ~ and don't have this issue. |
| 23:01.50 | fourq | issue meaning having to sudo |
| 23:02.29 | rudi_s | fourq: Don't use sudo when you don't know why you need it! |
| 23:02.30 | tezl | rudi_s: where does 500 come from? |
| 23:02.42 | fourq | rudi_s: I know I need it to save my files |
| 23:03.35 | rudi_s | fourq: Do you "need" sudo to access the editor or save the files? |
| 23:03.52 | fourq | just to save |
| 23:04.20 | lonewulf85 | Please help with rhythmbox |
| 23:04.21 | fourq | I can open the editor fine without sudo, but it's all RO |
| 23:04.28 | rudi_s | fourq: What files? In your home directory? Then you've screwed up your access rights in your home. Doesn't have anything to do with the editor in /opt |
| 23:04.52 | fourq | rudi_s: the files are within my home dir |
| 23:05.04 | fourq | it's a fresh install |
| 23:05.25 | fourq | this is the case on both crunchbang and ubuntu 12.10 |
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| 23:06.35 | rudi_s | tezl: It specifies which system api standard is used, a good overview is here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5378778/what-does-d-xopen-source-do-mean |
| 23:06.52 | mullein | lonewulf85, does rhythmbox give any error? what last.fm stream are you connecting to? |
| 23:07.09 | rudi_s | fourq: This channel is for Debian only. But check the access rights of these files, e.g. with ls -al path/to/file |
| 23:07.12 | lonewulf85 | Rhythmbox does not and I am unsure |
| 23:07.29 | tezl | rudi_s: thank you |
| 23:07.33 | rudi_s | np |
| 23:07.40 | fourq | rudi_s: I was in crunchbang and they said to ask in here since it's debian based |
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| 23:07.53 | rudi_s | !debian based |
| 23:07.53 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 23:07.56 | rudi_s | fourq: ^ |
| 23:08.18 | fourq | yeah I know, i'm just looking for answers |
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| 23:08.44 | rudi_s | fourq: Well, I already gave you a few hints. Installing Debian is another good idea ... |
| 23:09.07 | fourq | well thanks |
| 23:09.09 | alkul | At least it is if you want Debian support... |
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| 23:21.38 | pbxbrian | Hello Debian peoples |
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| 23:23.50 | pbxbrian | Just put GigE network cards into 2 servers for a dedicated gig link for replication.. Getting 123 MB/s from one machine to the other and 16.4 MB/s the other direction… |
| 23:24.55 | pbxbrian | I've compiled and inserted the r8168-8.035.00 driver into the kernel and both sides are using it. |
| 23:25.18 | pbxbrian | The 2 cards are connected via cable both showing 1000Mbps |
| 23:25.25 | pbxbrian | how would I debug this? |
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| 23:26.36 | rgr | debug what? |
| 23:26.54 | rgr | oh the faulty reading? |
| 23:27.07 | pbxbrian | Why do you think its faulty? |
| 23:27.30 | pbxbrian | I'm using netcat to test. |
| 23:27.49 | rgr | I dont know. You havent told anyone what the error is. I cnt guess. |
| 23:27.54 | pbxbrian | sorry |
| 23:28.09 | pbxbrian | Two machines at 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 |
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| 23:29.57 | pbxbrian | If I run dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=1000 |netcat 10.0.0.2 1234 I get (1.0 GB) copied, 74.7665 s, 14.0 MB/s |
| 23:30.30 | pbxbrian | do it the other way: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=1000 |netcat 10.0.0.1 1234 (1.0 GB) copied, 8.58243 s, 122 MB/s |
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| 23:30.43 | pbxbrian | interupts? |
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| 23:31.17 | mullein | pbxbrian: through a switch, or crossover? |
| 23:31.33 | pbxbrian | mullein: direct connection crossover |
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| 23:31.43 | pbxbrian | eth2: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok |
| 23:31.51 | pbxbrian | same on both |
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| 23:34.22 | xsappyx | pbxbrian: both are /24? what is the netcat on the receiving end doing with the data? can you try a different cable? tcpdump the stream and check it for errors in wireshark |
| 23:34.42 | mullein | pbxbrian: and is the cable cat5e? |
| 23:34.51 | pbxbrian | xsappyx: I'm putting into /dev/null |
| 23:35.44 | frostschutz | pbxbrian: what's the mtu set to? |
| 23:35.55 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: I've set it to 9000 on both |
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| 23:36.54 | pbxbrian | mullein: cat5e yes |
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| 23:37.32 | frostschutz | you could test the cable by connecting it the other way around, if speed stays the same the cable isn't bad |
| 23:37.36 | xingu | pbxbrian: are both nic's the same driver? (ethtool -i) |
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| 23:37.55 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: Tried that ! |
| 23:38.14 | frostschutz | pbxbrian: also just for the sake of completeness, use random data and | md5sum on the receiving end just to verify that the data was actually received correctly |
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| 23:39.08 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: I was transferring using ftp and the data was fine in both directions but the speed was the same. I'm using net cat for handiness |
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| 23:39.54 | pbxbrian | xingu: drivers are same on both: driver: r8168 version: 8.035.00-NAPI |
| 23:40.11 | pbxbrian | os is squeeze btw. |
| 23:40.16 | xingu | pbxbrian: do both systems have the same amount of dram? |
| 23:40.34 | frostschutz | tx/rx errors? |
| 23:41.08 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 on tx/rx on both sides. |
| 23:41.26 | pbxbrian | xingu: yes |
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| 23:42.18 | xingu | pbxbrian: /dev/null hasn't suddenly become a very large _file_ on one of the two systems has it? |
| 23:42.41 | pbxbrian | xingu: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 4 22:40 /dev/null |
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| 23:42.48 | pbxbrian | xingu: same on both |
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| 23:42.59 | frostschutz | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=1000 of=/dev/null same on both too? |
| 23:43.30 | xingu | pbxbrian: let's have a look at the stats; ethtool -S eth0 on both systems (or whatever netdev name is relevant) |
| 23:43.54 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: 0.117086 s, 9.0 GB/s and 0.131966 s, 7.9 GB/s |
| 23:44.08 | xingu | pbxbrian: (pastebin of the output) |
| 23:44.15 | pbxbrian | xingu: yup one sec. |
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| 23:45.31 | frostschutz | you could use tcpdump to check that both are using the same packet size for sending |
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| 23:46.18 | pbxbrian | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/221775/ Lots of receive errors on the second machine… |
| 23:46.33 | pbxbrian | xingu: that didn't show up in ifconfig |
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| 23:47.10 | xingu | pbxbrian: yeah, it's interesting to see what counters on what drivers propagate upstack.... |
| 23:47.17 | xingu | pbxbrian: try switching back to 1500 mtu. |
| 23:47.26 | pbxbrian | xingu: moment |
| 23:48.20 | pbxbrian | xingu: :) |
| 23:48.21 | pbxbrian | |
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| 23:48.37 | pbxbrian | xingu: 8.97608 s, 117 MB/s |
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| 23:49.33 | pbxbrian | xingu: now the other machine is transmitting slower 69.9 MB/s |
| 23:49.52 | pbxbrian | xingu: so is the driver the problem? |
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| 23:50.59 | xingu | pbxbrian: that's my guess yes |
| 23:51.30 | xingu | pbxbrian: I don't seem to have an r8168 on this system; I do however have an r8169 driver that knows about r8168 firmware |
| 23:51.54 | xingu | pbxbrian: which makes me wonder... can you lsmod | grep r816 ? |
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| 23:52.57 | pbxbrian | xingu: r8168 229744 0 |
| 23:53.40 | xingu | pbxbrian: can you pastebin "modinfo r8168" somewhere for me just to satisfy my curiousity? |
| 23:54.00 | xingu | pbxbrian: ... but back to your problem; try turning off the various offload functions one at a time |
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| 23:54.51 | pbxbrian | xingu: Do you want me to try the r8169 driver? |
| 23:54.58 | xingu | pbxbrian: ethtool -k eth0 to show initial state; then ethtook -K eth0 .. off; I'd start with tso off, then gso off |
| 23:55.22 | xingu | pbxbrian: no, I'm just sort of curious to know why my own system here does not have r8168 at all |
| 23:55.39 | xingu | pbxbrian: was that grabbed from realtek by any chance? |
| 23:55.43 | pbxbrian | xingu: I compiled the r8168 driver and inserted it from real |
| 23:55.48 | pbxbrian | xingu: yes. |
| 23:55.50 | xingu | aah, gotchya. |
| 23:56.15 | aah | xingu: sorry? :) |
| 23:56.18 | xingu | pbxbrian: ok in that case trying the in kernel r8169 may be worth a shot too - see if it even binds to your hardware; nb, having the firmware will be useful |
| 23:56.23 | xingu | aah: hahahaha; sorry. :) |
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| 23:56.51 | aah | :) |
| 23:57.11 | xingu | pbxbrian: package for rtl firwmare is "firmware-realtek" |
| 23:57.46 | frostschutz | get a pair of intel cards *runs away now* |
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| 23:57.58 | xingu | or a pair of myricom ones ;) |
| 23:58.07 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: thanks... |
| 23:58.22 | pbxbrian | xingu: I'm going to load the r8169 driver again. I'll be back in a few. |
| 23:58.26 | xingu | pbxbrian: ok get firmware-realtek, then try the in-kernel r8169 |
| 23:58.38 | xingu | pbxbrian: retest; if it loads, happy days; test at mty1500 to keep things simple. |
| 23:58.40 | frostschutz | you could switch the cards, if the situation reverses then it's the card itself |
| 23:58.51 | xingu | I'm guessing these NIC's are onboard |
| 23:59.00 | xingu | rtl8168 is very, very common onboard chip. |
| 23:59.12 | frostschutz | "<pbxbrian> Just put GigE network cards into 2 servers" |
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| 23:59.28 | xingu | fair enough |
| 23:59.57 | xingu | in that case I'd definitely send them right back and source some e1000-ish things. |
