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| 00:17.07 | silentz0r | hey, why can't i use dpkg --add-architecture on my 64 bit? |
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| 00:21.49 | abrotman | you're using squeeze? |
| 00:22.39 | silentz0r | i'm using debian based mint abrotman |
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| 00:22.54 | Devastator | !mint |
| 00:22.54 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 00:22.57 | fleeky | im a bit confused , should i try to use dhcp , dhcp3 , or isc-dhcp? |
| 00:23.11 | iuser | blacklisted linux mint |
| 00:23.48 | silentz0r | Devastator: but i'm using the debian based edition. Anyway nvm, thanks |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | fleeky: the latter |
| 00:24.15 | fleeky | so just dhcp ? |
| 00:25.11 | Devastator | the latter should mean isc-dhcp |
| 00:25.11 | silentz0r | anyway what would i be missing if i didnt have this specific option |
| 00:25.19 | Devastator | opss |
| 00:25.26 | abrotman | silentz0r: this channel is for Debian support, not LMDE support. |
| 00:25.41 | fleeky | Devastator, doh |
| 00:26.00 | Devastator | fleeky sorry heh |
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| 00:26.47 | silentz0r | abrotman: okay, imagine i'm using debian and i have this problem. What's your advice? |
| 00:26.56 | abrotman | silentz0r: but you're not, that command works on deiban |
| 00:27.03 | fleeky | k, one other question. mount problem upon boot i have an external hardrive using fuse , it doesnt mount on boot. i used to modprobe fuse and then mount -a to get it up but even with having modprobe loaded on boot i still have to mount -a to get the drive up ? |
| 00:27.06 | silentz0r | abrotman: okay just installed debian |
| 00:27.10 | fleeky | checked dmesg didnt see much |
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| 00:27.19 | abrotman | silentz0r: please use the LMDE support channel, this isn't it |
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| 00:27.41 | fleeky | er modprobe loaded should read fuse loaded on boot |
| 00:27.42 | fleeky | doh |
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| 00:29.57 | marcm | Will suhosin be put back into Wheezy or will it be left out for good? |
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| 00:30.56 | abrotman | marcm: is it htere now ? |
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| 00:31.35 | marcm | abrotman nope, but looking over the RC bug reports, there is a desire to be put back. Personaly, I don't care much for suhosin... |
| 00:31.48 | marcm | abrotman I wish they would just leave it out |
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| 00:39.15 | abrotman | marcm: if it's not there now, i can't imagine it would magically appear before release |
| 00:39.39 | marcm | abrotman -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=no&pkg=php5-suhosin |
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| 00:40.18 | marcm | abrotman I wanted to set up a couple of production servers with Wheezy, to save me the pain of upgrading from Squeeze when Wheezy is released... |
| 00:40.34 | abrotman | production server? wheezy? .. you know there's no security support, right ? |
| 00:40.38 | nsadmin | its not that painful |
| 00:41.15 | ralu | why would you do that? |
| 00:41.25 | nsadmin | if you install your own stuff just make sure they're not in areas debian wants to own and you'll be file |
| 00:41.32 | nsadmin | err fine |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | ... |
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| 00:42.02 | abrotman | marcm: are they internal or external? |
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| 00:42.44 | marcm | abrotman they are for hosting 2 websites and a mail severs, so basically your run of the mill LAMP stack |
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| 00:43.04 | marcm | abrotman and of course postfix+dovecot for the mail server :D |
| 00:43.18 | nsadmin | oh. what php version do you need? or, are you coding all the phop yourself? |
| 00:43.20 | abrotman | marcm: i'll reiterate .. there is currently *zero* security support for testing |
| 00:44.31 | marcm | nsadmin I don't really need 5.4, plus I can compile PHP from source, I even know how to deploy multiple versions with FastCGI |
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| 00:45.01 | marcm | abrotman That makes sense, since bug squashing takes precedence over providing security patches :) |
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| 00:45.24 | abrotman | marcm: something like that ... |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | notes that's not the reason :) |
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| 00:46.36 | nsadmin | ok, does that mean you could survive with squeeze? for production, that's pretty much the only recommendation, unless you're ok with taking full responsibility for that (if this is for work, that responsibility would extend to folks like your boss, his boss, etc) |
| 00:46.37 | marcm | abrotman - then again I have hardware DDoS protection and proper firewalls, so I am less concerned with security and more concerned with features :) - not to go off-topic, but I prefer Debian over Ubuntu for many reasons |
| 00:47.04 | marcm | nsadmin I am the boss, and have no other boss :D |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | marcm: right, be you should realize that your PHP and your Apache may have remote security issues |
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| 00:47.33 | nsadmin | ok, so then the responsibiilty is yours alone (and not debian developers) |
| 00:47.45 | j4jackj | Hello everyone - good evening. |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | !tell marcm about tracker of doom |
| 00:48.46 | marcm | abrotman - I realize that, but then again I look around and see so many 3rd party repos for other distros with up to date packages, and I can't imagine that their security is really shining... when compared to Debian for sure not. I like Debian because of its high quality |
| 00:48.54 | j4jackj | Hi, my Debian system right next to me (I'm on LinuxMint at the moment) is HOSED. |
| 00:49.09 | abrotman | marcm: i don't recommend you use those third party repos |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | j4jackj: HOSED needs context |
| 00:49.20 | j4jackj | It is stuck in a reboot loop over filesystem checker FSCK.EXT2. The filesystem is EXT3. |
| 00:49.24 | jparkton | nice j4jackj |
| 00:49.32 | nsadmin | j4jackj, does that mean you want now to install debian (which is not mint)? |
| 00:49.37 | marcm | abrotman I experimented with DotDeb... lets just say it breaks things badly |
| 00:49.41 | j4jackj | I've just given context |
| 00:49.53 | marcm | abrotman and what happens if the repo maintainer quits? |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | marcm: we're aware |
| 00:50.07 | marcm | abrotman thanks for the tracker infp |
| 00:50.12 | marcm | abrotman thanks for the tracker info* |
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| 00:51.11 | j4jackj | nsadmin: hahahah! I'm on a Linux Mint system and a Debian system essentially at the same time. My Debian system is hosed in a reboot loop over FSCK_EXT2. |
| 00:51.59 | j4jackj | Same thing every time. Unattached 0-length inodes starting with 2507100. |
| 00:52.34 | iuser | your ssd is breaking |
| 00:52.41 | ralu | didy oyu fsck-ed disk? |
| 00:53.03 | ralu | i also found out that SSD disks are prety faulty |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | j4jackj: can you mount the filesystem from a liveCD ? |
| 00:53.20 | ralu | i havent seen that many broken disks latley |
| 00:53.22 | j4jackj | Hang on. It's a disc drive. It was sent par avion to my current residence. My laptop was sent par avion with me to carry it on board. |
| 00:53.34 | iuser | you may write 1 on it, but it read as 0 |
| 00:53.42 | j4jackj | Hang on, let me burn a Linuxmint live CD |
| 00:53.50 | talexb_ | I have a headless system that I just did an aptget upgrade and update on, and linux-base_2.6.32-46_all.deb was added .. I suspect a reboot's required. Is there a way to find that in the filesystem since I don't have a desktop to signal me? |
| 00:53.51 | iuser | this is possible for poor ssds |
| 00:53.52 | j4jackj | Or a Debian one! |
| 00:53.52 | j4jackj | Will do |
| 00:54.16 | ralu | i had some issues running debian-live |
| 00:54.21 | j4jackj | IT IS NOT AN SSD. IT IS A HARD DISK DRIVE |
| 00:54.36 | iuser | lol, it must be a seagate |
| 00:54.38 | ralu | disk-s , usb-s and eth didnt work |
| 00:54.45 | jparkton | HDD cannot be SSD? |
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| 00:55.44 | dvs | !++iuser |
| 00:56.03 | nsadmin | j4jackj, you might want to wander over to #mint to tell them the details (like which filesystem is screwing up and the exact text of the messages it gives)... note that mint could have different versions of fsck and its minions... in order to help you with specifics, people would have to study the differences, and that's less efficient for both #debian and #mint as poopsed to having you add #mint as a primary source of info... having said that, you |
| 00:56.03 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.30 | j4jackj | LOOK. I'm diagnosing a Debian system that is hosed. |
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| 00:57.02 | jparkton | j4jackj: I think you need to repeat your first statement |
| 00:57.13 | jparkton | about being on mint fixing a debian box |
| 00:57.21 | j4jackj | Hi, my Debian system right next to me (I'm on LinuxMint at the moment) is HOSED. |
| 00:57.30 | jparkton | once you mention another distro in any distro room all hears shut down |
| 00:57.52 | j4jackj | I'm fixing a Debian box but I'm on Mint. I'll record in my mind the exact failtime of FSCK. |
| 00:58.29 | dvs | why, pray tell, are you fixing a Debian system with Mint? |
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| 00:58.45 | j4jackj | Hang on! |
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| 00:59.31 | nsadmin | ok, could you be more specific about the machines involved, for example, let's get machine names (even made up ones for just this conversation)... so, you are running debian on the machine named what? |
| 01:00.03 | jparkton | machineOne is working correctly running MINT, machineTwo is broke running Debian |
| 01:00.20 | j4jackj | 90% is the stoppage on Deli (the Debian machine) followed by 94.5 and then it bombs out. It says ******** REBOOT LINUX****** and I'm not halfway booted yet! |
| 01:00.24 | nsadmin | ok, and two is maybe a remote? |
| 01:00.31 | j4jackj | I'm on Noona. |
| 01:00.44 | j4jackj | Deli is right next to me, physically. |
| 01:00.59 | j4jackj | Remember. Noona the mint and Deli the Deb. |
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| 01:01.08 | nsadmin | ok, thanks :) |
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| 01:01.30 | JonLimitless | Does anyone know how to fix this gosa error: "Mailbox 'user/someone@exchange.89hosting.com' doesn't exists on mail server" |
| 01:01.32 | j4jackj | Same thing every time. Unattached 0-length inodes starting with 2507100. |
| 01:01.54 | nsadmin | and that number never changes? |
| 01:02.02 | Devastator | JonLimitless message is pretty clear, user doesn't exist |
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| 01:03.02 | JonLimitless | Devastator : It seems that everytime I add mail settings to the user in gosa it pops up with a couple of error message relating to the mailbox |
| 01:03.08 | j4jackj | The starting number never does, I don't know about the others (there's circa 10 of them) but the start inode number never changes in the bombout. Still taking about Deli. |
| 01:03.36 | j4jackj | Deli is known as radio-player.local - does this have anything to do with it? Also, it was AIRMAILED. |
| 01:04.10 | jparkton | oh |
| 01:04.12 | Devastator | j4jackj I think airmail screwed your hdd |
| 01:04.17 | nsadmin | j4jackj, one thing you could do is boot deli with a debian live cd (or other live at your choice, and if other, find out what its main support path is( |
| 01:04.21 | jparkton | that might be the issue |
| 01:04.38 | squisher | j4jackj, did you run smartctl -a to see what the stats are on the disk? |
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| 01:05.03 | j4jackj | Radioactivity up there? And no, I can;t run smartctl, it's doing this at boot time and bombing out. Then it restarts after 5 seconds of being frozen. |
| 01:05.10 | Gabtendo | does *anybody* here know how to remove an architecture if "dpkg --remove-architecture i386" isn't working because it complains that "dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database" when I definitely do not have any i386 packages installed on my system? |
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| 01:05.31 | nsadmin | also make sure the live has a kernel that's very close to what you are running to eliminate weird stuff |
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| 01:06.28 | nsadmin | Gabtendo, make sure you understand which database it refers to |
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| 01:06.32 | j4jackj | If I cancel FSCK using ^C it continues to boot, and then stops completely well before reaching GDM or LightDM (It escapes me what I have) |
| 01:06.55 | nsadmin | which partition is it checking? |
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| 01:07.11 | nsadmin | and what mount point does that partition have? |
| 01:07.38 | j4jackj | slash. |
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| 01:07.57 | j4jackj | /dev/sdb6 - the main partition (sda6 at install time) |
| 01:08.08 | nsadmin | hmm... is / the only mount you have? |
| 01:08.16 | j4jackj | no, sdb2 is clean and is /home. |
| 01:08.28 | nsadmin | whew :) |
| 01:09.06 | j4jackj | I'm torrenting the standard 6.0.5 live iso (command line) now. |
| 01:09.19 | j4jackj | I will soon be able to porperly fix the FS. |
| 01:09.19 | JonLimitless | Does anyone know how to fix this gosa error: "Mailbox 'user/someone@exchange.89hosting.com' doesn't exists on mail server" |
| 01:09.29 | nsadmin | would you say that / has much data on it which is original? (songs/databases/recipes/stuff that you or others created after installing) |
| 01:10.30 | nsadmin | that sounds good... do you have backups for / (sda or b 6)? |
| 01:10.37 | j4jackj | I just want to save the install. I'm going to start with trying to save it, and if it's fallen into 666's hands, then I'll reinstall. But only after working this out. |
| 01:11.11 | j4jackj | I have no backups. I cannot back out of trying to save the install. I will move all originals to /home and reinstall if needs absolutely be. |
| 01:11.17 | nsadmin | due to your foresight, you won't lose /home |
| 01:11.18 | j4jackj | This was last used over 3 months ago. |
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| 01:12.00 | j4jackj | I never saw myself doing this, I just did it because it's good practice if you're making a computer that may or may not become a server computer. |
| 01:12.11 | j4jackj | *installing Debian on instead of making. |
| 01:12.28 | j4jackj | I never saw myself doing this, I just did it because it's good practice if you're installing Debian on a computer that may or may not become a server computer. |
| 01:12.30 | abrotman | JonLimitless: create the mailbox? |
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| 01:13.14 | JonLimitless | abrotman: yes I've created every possible folder for the user. it just seems that the cyrus isn't working |
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| 01:13.26 | j4jackj | postgres? |
| 01:13.37 | j4jackj | ETA for ISO 53sec |
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| 01:14.07 | nsadmin | hmm, are you using postgres? is it running? you should make some dumps as soon as possible (man pg_dump) |
| 01:14.24 | nsadmin | and pg_dumpall |
| 01:14.33 | j4jackj | Sorry, I was trying to suggest something to JonLimitless. |
| 01:14.40 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:14.54 | nsadmin | postgres rocks btw :) |
| 01:15.14 | JonLimitless | j4jackj: yes its postgres |
| 01:15.24 | j4jackj | Although I think it is a mail server, so when I get into live I'll see if I can save it. |
| 01:15.34 | j4jackj | And it reset again! |
| 01:16.20 | Gabtendo | nsadmin: I don't know what database? |
| 01:16.59 | nsadmin | while downloading the iso? or is that going on another box? |
| 01:17.12 | j4jackj | You see, i'm a bit of a Flightgear junkie. Does it matter? No, because I'm trying to fix the desktop. |
| 01:17.20 | j4jackj | You see, i'm a bit of a Flightgear junkie. Does it matter? No, because I'm trying to fix Deli. |
| 01:17.33 | nsadmin | Gabtendo, try putting that message into google |
| 01:17.36 | j4jackj | nsadmin, the Deli reset while stuff happened. |
| 01:18.26 | Gabtendo | nsadmin: I did |
| 01:18.31 | nsadmin | hopefully you can restart the download from where it left off |
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| 01:18.42 | nsadmin | Gabtendo, what did you learn? |
| 01:18.44 | Gabtendo | just some irrelevant bugs |
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| 01:18.48 | j4jackj | No ,the download waqs on Noona. |
| 01:19.00 | Gabtendo | if I could solve it on Google I wouldn't have come here - trust me |
| 01:19.09 | nsadmin | oh, cool :) and that's going good then? |
| 01:19.09 | Gabtendo | trying to get help on IRC is eons harder than Googling |
| 01:19.22 | j4jackj | Noona is working A-OK. |
| 01:19.25 | Gabtendo | the problem is when the latter isn't useful |
| 01:19.47 | Gabtendo | it can be nearly impossible to get help sometimes - it's quite sad |
| 01:19.59 | j4jackj | Brasero bombed, and XFburn bombed. Heh? |
| 01:20.07 | nsadmin | Gabtendo, did you get any sense of what that message means from your googling? |
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| 01:21.53 | Gabtendo | if I did, I wouldn't be here |
| 01:21.58 | nsadmin | also, is having the i386 arch causing anything troublesome? |
| 01:23.12 | j4jackj | I just reset Deli. |
| 01:23.44 | j4jackj | I'm putting deli into a recovery shell to try to flip the sparse superblock bit. |
| 01:23.48 | Gabtendo | nsadmin: longer apt-get updates? |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | Gabtendo: did you read the dpkg man page? |
| 01:25.55 | j4jackj | Is the only way to fix my problem with Deli to rm rf/ the lot? |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | that's not a fix |
| 01:26.20 | j4jackj | *laughs compendiously* |
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| 01:27.26 | j4jackj | Don't you know what I mean? |
| 01:27.32 | dvs | well, it's like "fixing" a dog |
| 01:27.33 | nsadmin | j4jackj, it looks like the filesystem is damaged, and it's to be seen whether you can fix it with the live cd... I hope so |
| 01:28.10 | nsadmin | or fixing a hole where the rain gets in... and stops my mind from wandering... where it will go... |
| 01:28.18 | j4jackj | Soon I'll have the error in full view for 65 million years. I'll pastebin it. |
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| 01:28.52 | j4jackj | Root's crashed. Now I have to livecd it. |
| 01:29.12 | nsadmin | does it seem like the damage is increasing? |
| 01:29.21 | LtL | nsadmin: lend me your ear and i'll sing you a song and i'll try not to sing out of key. /end OT :) |
| 01:29.23 | j4jackj | I can't put in my password (which is correct) correctly. |
| 01:30.05 | j4jackj | It does seem like it's loosing function. Minutes ago, I could bring the error into full view. |
| 01:30.09 | nsadmin | this would be your root pw? or encrypted-filesystem passwd? |
| 01:30.18 | wizkid057 | Hi. I've been using Debian installed on a mini-pc with dual ethernet adapters to act as a simple nat router... however, occasionally it seems to decide to just not route outbound LAN data, or will route the outbound, but not route the reply packets back to the LAN..... any off the top of the head suggestions? |
| 01:30.19 | j4jackj | root pw |
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| 01:30.39 | abrotman | wizkid057: and when this happens, how do you fix it ? |
| 01:31.06 | wizkid057 | abrotman: i dont. seems to fix itself after an unspecified amount of time. could be 2 minutes could be 2 hours. |
| 01:31.43 | nsadmin | I wonder if the dhcp from your provider is changing your IP |
| 01:31.48 | wizkid057 | and it doesnt do this to all traffic. for example, I'm on IRC through it right now, yet, I cant ssh into a remote box from a lan machine (but I can from the router) |
| 01:31.55 | wizkid057 | nsadmin: nope, static |
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| 01:32.45 | wizkid057 | like, right now, if I try to SSH into this remote machine from my LAN machine, the router sees the initial SYN from my machine (tcpdump), but does not spit it out the other interface |
| 01:32.47 | nsadmin | so your routing is also static? during the times when it breaks, can you ping the upstream gateway? |
| 01:32.51 | wizkid057 | yet, my IRC traffic is working |
| 01:33.25 | wizkid057 | nsadmin: yeah, can ping the gateway fine. Like I said, all traffic always works directly from the router itself |
| 01:33.46 | nsadmin | the router is a linux box? |
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| 01:34.00 | wizkid057 | nsadmin: the router in question is the Debian Linux box, yes |
| 01:34.28 | j4jackj | I've shut down Deli for now, it hangs when I cancel the FSCK |
| 01:34.40 | j4jackj | Now only noona's running. |
| 01:34.54 | nsadmin | hmm. so really, the physical connection works as evicenced by the ping but some services are being blocked? |
| 01:35.05 | nsadmin | evidenced |
| 01:35.32 | abrotman | j4jackj: can you mount it read-only? |
| 01:36.00 | j4jackj | I used to be able to. |
| 01:36.13 | j4jackj | slash and home are on the same drive. |
| 01:36.17 | j4jackj | Hang on. |
| 01:36.19 | wizkid057 | nsadmin: ok, let me reexplain. The physical connection to the net is rock solid. Works perfectly. Can make all connections I want *directly from the router*. However, the router decides to not route NAT traffic from the inside LAN through it for random connections for some reason. For example, I am on IRC right now through it with no issues. Yet, I cant ssh into this one remote box from |
| 01:36.19 | wizkid057 | my lan machine, but I can from the router directly. |
| 01:36.41 | dvs | j4jackj: it's called "root" not "slash" |
| 01:36.50 | j4jackj | ok! |
| 01:37.08 | j4jackj | don't butt in without help. |
| 01:37.09 | wizkid057 | tcpdump -i eth1 shows the attempt from my LAN connected machine, yet, tcpdump -i eth0 does NOT show the request routed over the internet connection.... but does show my irc traffic and other traffic |
| 01:37.23 | dvs | butts out |
| 01:37.25 | wizkid057 | no iptables rules would block the ssh traffic |
| 01:37.49 | j4jackj | looks at Deli and sees what the he** is going on |
| 01:38.17 | wizkid057 | conntrack shows the outbound connection as "UNREPLIED", yet it never sent the packet over the internet in the first place |
| 01:38.45 | j4jackj | /dev/sdb6 contains a file system with errors, check forced. OVER AND OVER. |
| 01:39.17 | nsadmin | j4jackj, remember, he's a volunteer and you ain't payin nuthin... btw, you're running the live cd now? |
| 01:39.24 | j4jackj | no |
| 01:39.33 | j4jackj | it won't burn |
| 01:39.56 | nsadmin | got a spare usb stick (that you can totally erase)? |
| 01:40.13 | j4jackj | why? and no. |
| 01:40.56 | nsadmin | you may have been able to write the live image to it, and boot from that usb stick |
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| 01:41.49 | iuser | then you may waste a lot of space |
| 01:42.08 | iuser | and it's not not multi-booting |
| 01:42.12 | nsadmin | yes, but that's temporary |
| 01:42.16 | j4jackj | hang on, let's see if i have a dvd drive in deli |
| 01:42.39 | jrgill | I'm not too familar with System V; what do "?" and "-" indicate when I pass hte option --status-all? |
| 01:42.52 | nsadmin | could you give more info on "image does not burn"? |
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| 01:43.08 | j4jackj | it hangs at creating checksum. |
| 01:43.28 | nsadmin | so it never starts writing |
| 01:43.53 | nsadmin | is that correct? |
| 01:45.46 | future28 | Hey guys, package manager is reminding me of an update which is from 3.2+45 to 3.2+46 (linux image amd64) and a linux image 3.2.0-bpo.4-amd64; Just wondering, is this a kernel upgrade, or just an update? I'm unsure about wether I want to do these installations |
| 01:46.18 | dvs | future28: just some fixes |
| 01:46.31 | dvs | possibly security fixes |
| 01:46.48 | abrotman | check the changelog |
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| 01:47.23 | future28 | thanks dvs, abrotman |
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| 01:47.43 | j4jackj | yes that is the case. |
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| 01:56.52 | j4jackj | Hey, i've cobbled something together with cdrecord. It should work. |
| 01:57.24 | nsadmin | cool :) yaknow, I was wondering what you're using to burn it |
| 01:57.41 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 01:58.09 | nsadmin | and, what's a good buring frontend for gnome? |
| 01:58.16 | nsadmin | burning |
| 01:58.18 | abrotman | brasero |
| 01:58.23 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 01:59.41 | j4jackj | My system has booted in read-only mode. I should be able to hack my way to a fix. |
| 01:59.42 | j4jackj | I'll now have the errors in front of me. |
| 01:59.43 | j4jackj | nsadmin? |
| 01:59.44 | j4jackj | My system has booted in read-only mode. I should be able to hack my way to a fix. |
| 01:59.44 | j4jackj | I'll now have the errors in front of me. |
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| 02:00.27 | j4jackj | i'lll eject the disk, pop it in deli, and explode. |
| 02:01.16 | j4jackj | for some reason, pass 1 is the issue at boot time, but at runtime, it passes through pass 1 problemless. my mum's computer was in the same box, it had it's side cover on and it survived airmail. |
| 02:01.56 | j4jackj | I'll list the unattached 0length inodes. |
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| 02:02.16 | nsadmin | yes... I'm here as are many folks who may also be able to help |
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| 02:02.47 | nsadmin | does it say anything about what it's doing with those inodes? |
| 02:02.56 | nsadmin | it=fsck |
| 02:03.07 | poincare101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.57 | nsadmin | "next action of user: use" |
| 02:04.54 | j4jackj | 2507100, 2507285, 2507293, 2507294 2507357, 2507358, 2507359 asks me to clear all of them, a whole bunch of WHAT? it asks me to fix, then free blocks count wrong for several groups. |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | inode |
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| 02:05.44 | iuser | html5 can read your mice move in time |
| 02:05.57 | iuser | so they know what you will do |
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| 02:06.14 | poincare101 | nsadmin: huh? |
| 02:06.15 | j4jackj | then it asks for inode bitmap differences WHAT? then free inodes again. |
| 02:06.51 | poincare101 | nsadmin: I meant on the filesystem |
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| 02:07.23 | nsadmin | ok, sounds promising... I keep wondering if there is something physical wrong with the disk... hope not... and, hope this gets you somewhere |
| 02:07.38 | j4jackj | then when i run fsck again it says clean. hang on, I'll reboot. |
| 02:09.03 | j4jackj | if it says clean at boot then I'll say veni vidi faildi vici. |
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| 02:09.53 | nsadmin | good luck |
| 02:10.24 | j4jackj | contains file system with errors. It comes up with the same errors as in when i could boot it into RO multi user mode. |
| 02:10.25 | nsadmin | it should say clean at boot if the fsck invocation wrote the changes to the fs |
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| 02:11.23 | j4jackj | and yes it wrote the changes. |
| 02:11.29 | j4jackj | i think. |
| 02:11.34 | nsadmin | question, this thing was installed before airmailing? I'd be looking at replacing the drive right now |
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| 02:12.21 | j4jackj | nsadmin, it was installed before airmail, and the computer is around 7 years old - I got it at a computer salvage at the tip.# |
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| 02:13.21 | nsadmin | you could try to get that live image written to, well, something :) and try to boot |
| 02:13.33 | j4jackj | i'm booting on the live image. |
| 02:14.28 | nsadmin | great... and it's booting? you should be able to run the fsck from that |
| 02:14.34 | j4jackj | so far |
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| 02:17.58 | j4jackj | it's the same errors each time. |
| 02:18.27 | j4jackj | lets see about on the livecd. |
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| 02:20.10 | j4jackj | knows he is in Seconds from Disaster: Debra and Ian |
| 02:21.16 | j4jackj | 'By rewinding the events on that illfated computer, we can reveal exactly what sent Jack into a meltdown.' |
| 02:21.41 | j4jackj | I'm running a preen. |
| 02:22.01 | j4jackj | Should I flip the sparse superblock bit and back again? |
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| 02:24.50 | j4jackj | I have less unattached 0length inodes. But there still is some. i'm doing an -f -p on /dev/sdb6 on Deli. |
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| 02:29.13 | j4jackj | hello!!!? |
| 02:30.31 | j4jackj | Same thing every time. Unattached 0-length inodes starting with 2507285. |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | so fix them ? |
| 02:30.57 | j4jackj | They get cleared each time and they're stilol there. |
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| 02:32.17 | j4jackj | each time it's an inode at 2507***. |
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| 02:35.37 | j4jackj | it likes sdb6 now. it seems to be saved. |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | FSVO saved .. |
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| 02:38.11 | Snafu777 | Anyone here have practice maintaining a .deb repo of their own? |
| 02:38.20 | Snafu777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.29 | Snafu777 | Would appreciate some input if anyone has it =) |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | verions of packages? |
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| 02:39.59 | Snafu777 | yeah |
| 02:40.06 | Snafu777 | 0.2, 0.3, etc.. |
| 02:40.18 | Snafu777 | Looking for a way to gpg the repo |
| 02:40.30 | Snafu777 | but allow for multiple versions to be called and apt-cache show'd |
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| 02:41.17 | acu | anyone good in plone in here ? I found some themes, but I do not know if they are forward compatible - those for 3 can work for 4.2 ? |
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| 02:42.44 | abrotman | acu: you sohuld ask them, it's unsupported here |
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| 02:57.00 | cardamon | Huh. If you don't shadow root's password, your user isn't in sudoers by default? |
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| 02:57.50 | somiaj | cardamon: your user isn't put into sudo group by default in general. This has nothign to do with shadowing passwords or not. |
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| 03:00.03 | cardamon | The behvior of debian-installer seems to be that if you shadow, it puts your user in sudoers...or the suod group. Not sure which. I'm not at the machine that I last did that on. |
| 03:01.05 | abrotman | cardamon: not quite .. |
| 03:01.50 | cardamon | Also I apologies for the typing...this comcast modem/router is a POS. I have to call tomorrow to get it setup in breidge mode so I can use a router that won't stutter when all I'm doing is tunneling from one machine to another . |
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| 03:03.24 | abrotman | cardamon: it sets you up in the sudoers file if you choose not to set a root passwd .. AIUI anyway |
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| 03:04.47 | cardamon | There we go. Ghosted my other connection. |
| 03:05.00 | cardamon | No tunnel, so no stutter. |
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| 03:07.27 | suhaib | clear |
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| 03:10.33 | Uuni | Goodnight friends |
| 03:10.55 | suhaib | Uuni: Good night :-) |
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| 03:12.58 | damo22 | is there a channel that discusses the pros and cons of various GNU/Linux distributions? |
| 03:13.31 | damo22 | or at least one which considers it to be on topic |
| 03:14.18 | abrotman | damo22: ##linux |
| 03:14.31 | damo22 | abrotman, thanks |
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| 03:37.46 | j4jackj | hello again. my computer A (deli) is broken again. No inittab file found. Enter runlevel: |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | didn't we just fix it?/ |
| 03:39.40 | j4jackj | yup! |
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| 03:40.44 | j4jackj | And when I enter S, it says something about sulogin. |
| 03:41.09 | j4jackj | When I enter 2, it says no more processes |
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| 03:43.00 | pskosinski | Is there any transparent way to colorize apt output? Transparent as in I'm executing still same commands but output is colored… I found something about rcg but can't find ready rules. |
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| 03:46.03 | TadekMocarzzzz | !ops [R] Nigger, he invented holocaust, ban him |
| 03:46.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tadekmocarzzzz complains about: [R] Nigger, he invented holocaust, ban him |
| 03:46.42 | sney | o_o |
| 03:47.02 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 03:47.03 | dvs | checks to see what day it is |
| 03:47.29 | TadekMocarzzzz | i hate php co,mpany niggers, why they made something that shi,tty like Bi,tch PHP nig,ger |
| 03:47.32 | TadekMocarzzzz | why php company cant be holocausted just like the jews? |
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| 03:47.36 | *** kick/#debian [TadekMocarzzzz!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
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| 03:48.17 | Snafu777 | wow |
| 03:48.20 | Snafu777 | Interesting... |
| 03:48.26 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 03:48.53 | pskosinski | Isn't he from Poland? >.> |
| 03:49.06 | abrotman | please discuss it elsewhere, thank you |
| 03:49.57 | pskosinski | Are there any plans to add support of colorizing output to apt? ^^ |
| 03:50.12 | abrotman | are you submitting a patch? |
| 03:50.15 | pskosinski | no |
| 03:50.26 | Tramp | I'd like mine periwinkle blue |
| 03:50.26 | simonlnu | Patches Welcome! ™ |
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| 03:54.54 | pavlz_ | hi |
| 03:55.06 | pavlz_ | sorry for the disturb and for the off topic |
| 03:55.19 | pavlz_ | i got a ness for you: http://dpaste.com/833112/ |
| 03:55.31 | abrotman | a ness? |
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| 03:56.14 | abrotman | pavlz_: please find the appropriate channel, this isn't the channel for that sort of nonsense |
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| 04:06.19 | findme | how do i get unzip 6 |
| 04:06.23 | findme | how do i get unzip 5 sorry |
| 04:06.33 | findme | apt, unzip 5 |
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| 04:06.58 | j4jackj | can someone help me? when I ls /etc (of Deli's hard disk) in the livecd it's red. |
| 04:07.11 | j4jackj | Which links back to: |
| 04:07.17 | j4jackj | hello again. my computer A (deli) is broken again. No inittab file found. Enter runlevel: |
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| 04:10.03 | j4jackj | HELP |
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| 04:11.15 | j4jackj | abrotman, pavlz_ has a funny story to share. |
| 04:11.30 | Dirkson | Is there a way to blacklist packages? I.e. Never install pulseaudio, even if something thinks it needs it, even if the moon will fall from the sky if pulseaudio doesn't poison my system. |
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| 04:35.38 | tregeagle | I have a directory on my local machine I recursively chown'd it and chmod 777 but I still cannot read it. Think I'm going mad... |
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| 04:46.01 | LtL | tregeagle: your machine or a hosted one? try chmod 755 instead |
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| 04:47.39 | tregeagle | Hi LtL: I just sussed it out. A directory higher up in the chain had the wrong permissions. Only slightly mad after all. |
| 04:47.57 | LtL | tregeagle: :) |
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| 04:51.12 | findme | how to get unzip 5.5.2 |
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| 04:53.25 | somiaj | ,v unzip |
| 04:53.26 | judd | Package: unzip on i386 -- lenny: 5.52-12; squeeze: 6.0-4; sid: 6.0-7; wheezy: 6.0-7 |
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| 04:53.44 | somiaj | findme: what do you want that version of unzip? Why not use 6.0? |
| 04:53.53 | somiaj | findme: sorry why do you want that paticular version |
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| 04:54.24 | findme | somiaj, Applications install wants unzip 5.2 |
| 04:54.32 | findme | somiaj, oracle applications R12 |
| 04:55.11 | somiaj | seems strange they want that old of a version. Are you sure it is not 'at least version 5.2' |
| 04:55.37 | findme | somiaj, yes i am sure |
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| 04:55.49 | somiaj | I don't know about oracle applications, but seems like strange requirment. You can look on arcive.debian.org to grab source versions of debian packages from pivious release, or goto unzip directally and download that version and compile your own custom package |
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| 04:56.43 | simonlnu | archive* :) |
| 04:57.44 | somiaj | findme: sure it isn't version 5.52 (the version in lenny -- which also seems to be the version in centos 5/rhel which would to me seem like a more sane requirement -- though hopefully orcale provides other means besides rhel/centos packages to install the software you awnt) |
| 04:58.33 | findme | somiaj, thanks still hunting for it |
| 04:58.47 | findme | somiaj, http://archive.debian.net/bo/i386/unzip/download |
| 04:59.12 | somiaj | personally I would go ask orcale why the hell they want such an old version of unzip. Something is strange with that and we here at #debian probabaly aren't the best support. talk to oracle |
| 04:59.31 | somiaj | 5.20 is not the same as 5.2 |
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| 04:59.41 | somiaj | also down load the source package (not the deb) and compile it |
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| 05:02.07 | findme | somiaj, not that smart to download source.... yeah pain in the a$$ oracle |
| 05:02.18 | findme | somiaj, do you have a link for the source |
| 05:02.23 | findme | where to download and install please. |
| 05:02.56 | civillian | are we raging at oracle? I'm in... |
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| 05:05.12 | findme | civillian, awesome |
| 05:05.20 | findme | civillian, lunch on me |
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| 05:11.55 | somiaj | findme: why isn't it that smart to download the source. No I do not know where to get that old version of unzip. Make sure they don't mean 5.52 (from lenny) |
| 05:12.16 | findme | somiaj, ok thanks . |
| 05:12.45 | somiaj | source is the prefered way to install stuff that is not available for your version of debian (either port a debian source package and build a .deb or use the upstream source) |
| 05:14.32 | somiaj | s/port/backport/ |
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| 05:24.26 | cybes | i can't get custom smileys working by extracting it to smileys dir in .purple as a normal user... |
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| 05:24.46 | cybes | of pidgin :( |
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| 05:25.57 | diverdude | is it possible to run raid-z on a debian machine? |
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| 05:26.34 | squisher | diverdude, raid-z as in zfs? yes, if you choose the freebsd kernel ;-) |
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| 05:26.48 | squisher | there's also some linux project around, but I doubt it's in debian |
| 05:27.22 | diverdude | hmm :/ |
| 05:27.46 | squisher | this has nothing to do with debian... there just isn't code in the linux kernel for zfs |
| 05:28.08 | nevyn | so there's crazy ports... but the licencing makes it unredistributable |
| 05:28.32 | nevyn | http://zfsonlinux.org/ |
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| 05:29.06 | squisher | cybes, did you check in tools -> preferences -> themes? |
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| 05:29.56 | cybes | squisher:yes but there is only two theme small and large |
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| 05:30.21 | cybes | i've downloaded a theme from pidgin site and extracted it to smileys dir in . |
| 05:30.28 | cybes | .purple |
| 05:30.52 | squisher | cybes, just downloaded one from somewhere else and it worked. Do you have a "theme" file in that subdirectory? |
| 05:31.39 | cybes | no |
| 05:31.50 | squisher | well, that's why ;-) |
| 05:31.58 | squisher | try another theme? |
| 05:32.12 | cybes | there was nothing in "smileys "dir..wheere should i extract it tto? |
| 05:32.41 | squisher | no, you extract in .purple/smileys. Then you should get some subdirectory with a bunch of png files and a file called "theme" |
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| 05:33.32 | cybes | squisher: sorry there is this theme file and all .png icons |
| 05:33.40 | cybes | i thought theme was a folder |
| 05:34.14 | squisher | ok, permissions possibly? |
| 05:34.37 | squisher | odd people use tar to store permissions when they redistribute.... |
| 05:34.38 | cybes | i'm a normal user no root access |
| 05:34.42 | cybes | :( |
| 05:34.50 | squisher | just check -- ls -l |
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| 05:35.54 | cybes | only root has permission nothing for others |
| 05:36.14 | squisher | cybes, seems like you should chown to your user :) |
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| 05:36.34 | cybes | squisher: please tell me how to |
| 05:36.50 | cybes | chown |
| 05:36.55 | k1ng | can anyone help me with rsync, i want to copy everything except upload dir and config.php |
| 05:36.58 | k1ng | how do i do that? |
| 05:36.58 | diverdude | squisher: but i can run raid5 software in debian right? |
| 05:37.11 | squisher | cybes, run: sudo chown -R MYUSER:MYUSER ~/.purple/smileys |
| 05:37.15 | squisher | diverdude, sure |
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| 05:37.28 | diverdude | squisher: using md? |
| 05:37.34 | squisher | softraid, yeah |
| 05:37.56 | squisher | diverdude, what do you you want to achieve? |
| 05:38.33 | cybes | squisher: cybes is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 05:38.44 | squisher | software raid5 tends to be not the most efficient, personally I'd go with a raid1 if you want redundancy and lvm otherwise |
| 05:39.13 | diverdude | squisher: i want to use raid5 in my hp microserver with 4 disks to keep me a bit safe, while running a debian system |
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| 05:39.38 | squisher | cybes, ah, ok, use 'su' first to become root, then run 'chown -R MYUSER:MYUSER /home/MYUSER/.purple/smileys' |
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| 05:40.10 | squisher | diverdude, yeah with 4 disks raid5 may be your best bet |
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| 05:40.34 | cybes | squisher: i've no root access ..i'm not root |
| 05:40.37 | cybes | :( |
| 05:41.03 | cybes | and admin won't give this privilege |
| 05:41.12 | squisher | cybes, oh then how come your smileys are owned by root? |
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| 05:42.05 | squisher | cybes, how did you extract your download? |
| 05:42.12 | cybes | yeah |
| 05:42.22 | cybes | tar -zxvf package |
| 05:42.35 | cybes | to .purple/smileys |
| 05:42.39 | diverdude | squisher: is it easy to setup raid 5 on debian? |
| 05:43.05 | squisher | cybes, try sticking a --no-same-owner --no-same-permissions into the tar |
| 05:43.31 | cybes | squisher: ok i'll try that |
| 05:43.40 | cybes | squisher:BB |
| 05:43.58 | squisher | diverdude, I think it's easy... I don't usually set up softraid using the installer, but it may even be a supported option |
| 05:45.26 | squisher | diverdude, there's an open bug report complaining that it doesn't work ;-) So the option must be present! :D |
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| 05:46.17 | diverdude | squisher: that raid 5 dont work? |
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| 05:47.01 | squisher | diverdude, yeah, but just give it a shot -- I was just googling because I wasn't sure |
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| 05:48.00 | diverdude | squisher: hhmm yeah i need to invest like 700$ on hdd equipment first hehe |
| 05:49.07 | squisher | well hw raid5 is much better, yeah ;-) Not sure you need to spend $700 these days, but definitely some if you want good performance |
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| 05:50.29 | diverdude | squisher: seems 3 tb hdd is around 150$ |
| 05:50.38 | diverdude | so yeha ok |
| 05:50.41 | diverdude | yeah ok |
| 05:51.06 | diverdude | maybe not 700 :) |
| 05:51.20 | squisher | I do know some people who keep a ton of data on a software raid5, so it does work :) |
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| 05:51.36 | sney | yeah, md is quite good |
| 05:52.05 | diverdude | squisher: using md? |
| 05:52.12 | k1ng | can anyone help me with rsync, i want to copy everything except upload dir and config.php. how do i do that? |
| 05:52.33 | squisher | k1ng, --exclude ? |
| 05:52.51 | k1ng | can you show me how do i write the pattern? |
| 05:53.00 | squisher | k1ng, and specially try "--dry-run" first :) |
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| 05:53.16 | squisher | if they're top level, then just the names will do |
| 05:54.02 | k1ng | like --exclude=upload, config.php? |
| 05:54.15 | squisher | no, --exclude=upload --exclude=config.php |
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| 06:02.22 | k1ng | squisher, i did rsync -avn --exclude=upload --exclude=config.php /home/stuffinabox.net/public_html/sims /root/test |
| 06:02.25 | k1ng | nothing happened |
| 06:02.51 | k1ng | total size is 41139033 speedup is 621.57 (DRY RUN) |
| 06:02.54 | k1ng | wth |
| 06:03.31 | squisher | k1ng, that's intended :) the "dry run" or '-n' part will not do anything but output the correct infos |
| 06:03.40 | squisher | so you can check if your exclude patterns worked as intended |
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| 06:03.58 | k1ng | the -n is dry run? |
| 06:04.00 | squisher | actually with your flags it may not be needed, but you really want to use it with -delete |
| 06:04.02 | squisher | yeah |
| 06:04.19 | k1ng | what is delete for? |
| 06:04.33 | squisher | to remove files from the destination that don't exist at the source |
| 06:04.50 | k1ng | oh i dont wanna do that now |
| 06:05.37 | k1ng | rsync -av --exclude=upload --exclude=config.php /home/stuffinabox.net/public_html/sims /root/test works great :D |
| 06:06.23 | squisher | :) |
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| 06:07.51 | rryoumaa` | will debian work with any normal 27" monitor? |
| 06:08.04 | Infiltrator | rryoumaa`: Why not? |
| 06:08.05 | k1ng | yeah why not? |
| 06:08.32 | Infiltrator | rryoumaa`: A monitor is just an output device and in no way affects the actual computer. |
| 06:08.45 | rryoumaa` | just wanted to confirm, thanks |
| 06:09.10 | rryoumaa` | i thought there might be handshaking with x or something |
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| 06:12.00 | cybes | squisher: i tried extracting that using --no-same-owner --no-same-permissions |
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| 06:12.30 | cybes | but can't find any theme in pidgin tools-preference |
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| 06:13.59 | cybes | ping squisher |
| 06:14.04 | cybes | oops sorry |
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| 06:15.11 | rryoumaa` | does testing get security support? |
| 06:15.45 | rryoumaa` | (i am specing a box and want to make sure it's good for debian) |
| 06:15.56 | Infiltrator | rryoumaa`: wheezy does. |
| 06:16.12 | k1ng | squisher, you still there? |
| 06:16.13 | rryoumaa` | is that testing? |
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| 06:16.41 | rryoumaa` | ah i guess if jessie is sid then wheezy must be testing |
| 06:16.41 | Infiltrator | !tell rryoumaa` -about testing security |
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| 06:17.11 | k1ng | squisher, rsync checks if file source different, right? |
| 06:17.15 | rryoumaa` | slow bot :) |
| 06:17.34 | rryoumaa` | ah got it |
| 06:17.35 | rryoumaa` | Infiltrator: thanks, |
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| 06:18.45 | Banago | gm |
| 06:18.49 | Infiltrator | !tell rryoumaa` -about security |
| 06:18.56 | Infiltrator | rryoumaa`: See also ^ |
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| 06:19.30 | rryoumaa` | so my take from those bot blurbs is that wheezy is testing and (1) has security support but (2) does not have /full/ security support |
| 06:19.49 | sney | rryoumaa`: right. most package fixes are bug fixes. |
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| 06:30.32 | j4jackj | hello? |
| 06:30.45 | j4jackj | i've had two abortive installs so far. |
| 06:31.21 | sney | !ask |
| 06:31.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:34.38 | j4jackj | OK. two abortive installs. my desktop is hosed. I'm on my laptop. I thought I fixed it a few hours ago, but I didn't. The errors just kept coming. What do I do? I expected to progress through partitioning, but it bombed by saying about uncorrected errors with me having to escape from partitioning and abort to desktop |
| 06:35.26 | sney | actual error messages are needed, here |
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| 06:36.06 | j4jackj | I can't recall exactly, but it said that it found uncorrected errors in the filesystem of SDB2. |
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| 06:38.38 | sney | j4jackj: probably a corrupted partition table. if you wipe it completely and start over it should be ok. if it isn't, check the drive fitness with a vendor tool |
| 06:39.41 | j4jackj | It lands up with an Error reading block YHINSFZN (random number) (Attempt to read block from filesystem short read) while getting next inode from scan. The part table is fine, I edited it a few minutes ago and it's shape is holding. |
| 06:40.08 | sney | bad blocks |
| 06:40.18 | sney | got another disk? |
| 06:40.46 | j4jackj | to the 1st one. YES, I'M NO DUMBO and to the second, no. |
| 06:41.44 | j4jackj | I'm checking the smart data |
| 06:43.11 | j4jackj | SMART Status in Palimpsest: GREEN Disk has a few bad sectors. |
| 06:43.58 | j4jackj | It's been powered up for nearly 3 years, and has survived a flight aboard DHL (I think) |
| 06:44.35 | sney | that's a lot of hours for a desktop drive. you may be able to partition around the bad sectors; badblocks can help with this. but that's a temporary solution at best |
| 06:46.15 | j4jackj | My laptop drive had survived a ride in the overhead bins and has no SMART status due to being on a USB dongle. It's a desktop SATA - I presume it has a few bad sectors too. |
| 06:46.33 | j4jackj | I'm having fsck remap the bad blocks. |
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| 06:46.47 | cybes | i've extracted using --no-same-owner --no-same-permissions for pidgin smileys ....but i can't find new theme in tools |
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| 06:49.36 | j4jackj | My desktop disk is PATA - we'll call the desktop Deli and my laptop Noona. |
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| 06:59.03 | j4jackj | good night |
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| 07:04.26 | simonlnu | cybes: ~/.purple/smileys |
| 07:04.35 | simonlnu | extract there |
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| 07:21.19 | pclov3r | Has there been progress made on Debian 7? |
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| 07:25.36 | ectospasm | pclov3r: yes |
| 07:25.53 | ectospasm | pclov3r: its release will be "when it's ready" |
| 07:25.58 | ectospasm | which should be soon |
| 07:26.12 | ectospasm | I find it to be quite stable (I use it at work) |
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| 07:26.18 | ectospasm | (I use sid everywhere else) |
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| 08:02.55 | zetheroo | there seems to be a bit of debate regarding haw to keep time synced ... |
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| 08:03.52 | ectospasm | zetheroo: ntp works well for me |
| 08:04.01 | ectospasm | that's the only method I recommend |
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| 08:04.10 | ectospasm | anything else is a serious kludge. |
| 08:04.18 | brontosaurusrex | decent on-screen keyboard? |
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| 08:12.32 | zetheroo | does ntp check only on system boot? |
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| 08:15.08 | somiaj | depends, ntp is a protocol, there is ntpd (that keeps synced from a daemon) |
| 08:15.15 | somiaj | there are then tools like ntp-date that sync only at the time they are run |
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| 08:17.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 08:17.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | going to go talk to dpkg first brb |
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| 08:19.04 | brontosaurusrex | how do i check what version of glibc i have? |
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| 08:19.27 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
| 08:19.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how accurate is os-prober with lvm2? very? |
| 08:19.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | or am i gonna have to manual stuff? |
| 08:20.09 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: have you tried it? You may have to mount the partions if it doesn't look though them. |
| 08:20.18 | brontosaurusrex | somiaj: thanks |
| 08:20.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | not yet still installing squeeze |
| 08:20.38 | somiaj | I don't have to much experience, but it won't hurt to try, you can just look at the /boot/grub/menu.list (I think) to see if it detected it |
| 08:21.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | i had a raid lvm2 setup but i wanted windows too, so i install windows and borked my boot and i couldnt get it back so i moved everything of the raid and now they are just lvm and i am reinstall sqeeze now.. |
| 08:21.07 | osfd | How can I know, what will be automatically done if I plug a USB dongle and stop/purge/remove this automatic execution ? |
| 08:21.09 | osfd | please |
| 08:21.09 | somiaj | it isn't that difficult to add a custom script in /etc/grub to manually configure partitions, but I have no data on to how accurate os-prober is |
| 08:21.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 08:21.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hlaf way done now.. |
| 08:22.20 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: you probabaly ddin't have to reinstall to fix your boot. (: |
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| 08:23.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried doing grub-instal but it couldnt find it.. |
| 08:24.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | i ried doing it through rescue gui and no workie..l |
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| 08:24.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | the onlything i can think of is tat i got a lvm2 /root and no lvm or ext2 boot since i want it in mbr. |
| 08:24.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | or it dosnt like sdb bineg windows or something... |
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| 08:35.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | it appears to have worked... i did nothing on grub2 setup.. i think it did sda |
| 08:35.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok it booted woindows... |
| 08:35.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i need to switch which disk it tried first |
| 08:35.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | but atleast i can play my game now |
| 08:35.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | thank guh |
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| 08:38.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
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| 08:41.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | got it woohoooo |
| 08:41.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | yah |
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| 08:43.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | oop |
| 08:43.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | forgfot to add a user.... |
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| 08:48.33 | jerem` | please I removed files from mysql-server package and would like reinstall package with these files |
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| 08:49.02 | jerem` | I tried --reinstall install mysql-server but not working |
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| 08:49.54 | simonlnu | jerem`: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 08:50.02 | simonlnu | in here |
| 08:50.26 | simonlnu | next time make backups and use etckeeper |
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| 08:51.34 | intore | good mornin. Could you tell me how can i do a completely backup of a remote server that contains a dhcp server, samba, ldap, dansguardian on an hd and the users home dir on another hd? |
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| 08:53.45 | invariant | How can I mount the location /home/foo in location /foo without using symbolic links? |
| 08:54.36 | simonlnu | bind mounting. man mount |
| 08:55.56 | formorer | mount --bind /source /target |
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| 08:56.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | pardon me while i go thak the gnome peeps for smething |
| 08:57.49 | petn-randall | intore: ldap you'll need to put a dump somewhere to back it up |
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| 08:58.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | back |
| 08:58.32 | petn-randall | intore: If you want the big thing, you can go with bacula. It's some work to install, but worth it. |
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| 08:58.56 | petn-randall | intore: The other possibility is to use rdiff-backup (I use that for private backups to HDD). |
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| 09:00.31 | intore | petn-randall, but maybe is better have a clone. isn't it? |
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| 09:01.37 | nfh | intore, rdiff-backup is better, because every day it creates an incremental backups and you can restore everything back in time with a minimum hdd usage |
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| 09:02.16 | nyuszika7h | can someone explain what the hell is this spam? https://privatepaste.com/c7f346b54e |
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| 09:04.02 | intore | petn-randall, nfh, my needs are differents i think. I need to the completely system to install in case of problems, like an iso with every service, every application. To install and to have the same system |
| 09:04.15 | petn-randall | nfh, intore : bacula can, too, but's it's more work to set-up. |
| 09:04.37 | petn-randall | intore: Bare metal recovery? Uh, that's a lot more of work. |
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| 09:06.15 | cybes | simonlu:i've extracted to the .purple/smileys but can't see the new theme |
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| 09:06.48 | cybes | *simonlnu sorry |
| 09:07.57 | nfh | intore, dump/restore utility is also a choice |
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| 09:12.14 | intore | petn-randall, nfh. Am connected to this server using ssh. People that live in the country where server is installed haven't the knowledge to repair or reinstall the system. So i'd like to give them the possibility to reainstall all the system easily |
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| 09:13.15 | boudiccas | MATE on wheezy is very good, I'm impressed by it |
| 09:13.27 | petn-randall | intore: You can always get them to install a bare system to the point of having SSH. From there you can restore your backup onto the system. |
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| 09:14.30 | petn-randall | intore: Do you want to only do a backup once and restore to that state? Or are you doing regular backups that your want to be able to restore to? |
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| 09:14.52 | useless-eater | whats needed for avahi-daemon to broadcast things? avahi runs. /etc/avahi/services is filled with printers |
| 09:15.06 | ChrisH | I need some tips on finding the bad guy. Since Friday (I did install the latetest wheezy updates including Kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64) my system is awfully slow. Load is higher then before top - 10:11:25 up 2 days, 17:06, 9 users, load average: 6,33, 6,58, 6,54; a few minutes ago it was over 11. In top no obviuos CPU eaters. Ho to I find the blocking/blocked processes? |
| 09:15.54 | boudiccas | ChrisH: install 'atop', you may have better luck at finding then there |
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| 09:16.12 | intore | petn-randall, I want only to restore to actual state. Not regular backups |
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| 09:17.43 | petn-randall | intore: I can't help you with that one, don't have any experience with that, sorry. Maybe someone else knows how to easily spin your own Debian DVDs. |
| 09:17.59 | ChrisH | boudiccas: normally its my suggestion to install atop :) What does this meanin the CPU lines? avgf 2.12GHz | avgscal 99% |
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| 09:19.08 | boudiccas | ChrisH: dont know what avgf is cepot its avg something, but avgscal i take to mean average scale, if that makes sense |
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| 09:21.42 | ChrisH | boudiccas: from man atop it looks like, the CPUs did run in full speed mode for 99% in the past 2 days |
| 09:22.10 | boudiccas | thats a heck of a lot! |
| 09:22.31 | ectospasm | are there major advantages of using atop or htop vs. the venerable top? |
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| 09:23.28 | boudiccas | ChrisH: what does your avg1, avg5 show? mine is showing CPL | avg1 0.34 | avg5 0.39 | avg15 0.74 atm |
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| 09:24.39 | intore | petn-randall, Ok thanks anyway. I have another question: how could i run a fsck on a secondary hd on next boot time? |
| 09:26.32 | boudiccas | intermshutdown -Fr will force a fsck on bootup |
| 09:26.35 | ChrisH | boudiccas: especially extrem load as it was left idle over the weekend. |
| 09:26.56 | ChrisH | cpu | sys 69% | user 13% | irq 0% |
| 09:27.06 | ChrisH | CPL | avg1 1.67 | avg5 1.93 | avg15 3.79 | | | csw 18630 | intr 9769 | | numcpu 2 | |
| 09:27.39 | petn-randall | intore: Either you pass it to the reboot command, or you touch a file called 'forcefsck' on the root of the file system. |
| 09:27.48 | boudiccas | ChrisH: and its still running 'idle' too? |
| 09:28.05 | petn-randall | intore: so 'touch /forcefsck' will force a fsck on your root partition. |
| 09:28.16 | boudiccas | intore: shutdown -Fr will force a fsck on reboot |
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| 09:29.01 | intore | petn-randall, in my case the root partition is on /dev/sda but i need to fsck to /dev/sdb |
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| 09:29.43 | petn-randall | intore: You don't have partitions on those HDD? |
| 09:30.05 | petn-randall | intore: just touch a file called 'forcefsck' on that partition then. Mount it if it isn't. |
| 09:31.50 | intore | petn-randall, i have three partitions on sdb |
| 09:32.47 | intore | petn-randall, you mean that creating /forcefsck it will check every sd*? |
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| 09:34.41 | boudiccas | intore: shutdown -Fr for forcing a fsck on reboot |
| 09:34.41 | boudiccas | What that does is essentially "touch /forcefsck && shutdown -r now". |
| 09:35.08 | j4jackj | intore: create /forcefsck for every partition. as in, /mnt/sdb1/forcefsck, /mnt/sdb2/forcefsck and so forth. |
| 09:36.35 | intore | j4jackj, boudiccas petn-randall. Thanks, i understand. I messed up! |
| 09:36.52 | j4jackj | How? |
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| 09:38.10 | jerem` | thanks simonlnu |
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| 09:43.37 | intore | j4jackj, i was confused about the partition. Thaks you i understood! |
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| 09:45.10 | j4jackj | I know this sounds funny, but a Debian machine right next to me has had far too many software fires. What's quicker for remapping bad blocks nondestructively than e2fsck -f /dev/sdb2? |
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| 09:47.40 | boudiccas | j4jackj: software fires? what are they please? |
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| 09:48.15 | j4jackj | basically where computer software loses function very quickly, like an airplane fire but not deadly. |
| 09:48.38 | boudiccas | oh! first time I've heard of that, thanks |
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| 09:49.28 | Leoneof | just curious question, what happens if i mount a partition in /root folder ? |
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| 09:52.40 | ectospasm | Leoneof: nothing, except other users may not be able to access the partition |
| 09:53.00 | ectospasm | Leoneof: I meant, nothing bad. |
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| 09:53.14 | ectospasm | ...though it's not a common place to mount anything. |
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| 09:54.02 | intore | guys, I launched fsck -a /dev/sdb3 directly and these are last lines: could you take a look please and give me advices? http://pastebin.com/mszgUv3n |
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| 09:55.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got a list of packages i want to install.. how do i get them into aptitude or apt-get or freaking dpkg |
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| 09:55.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have been trying for an hour.. |
| 09:55.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | --set-selections hates me |
| 09:56.28 | ChrisH | intore: rerun: fsck -y /dev/sdb3 Its the only way I know to get a clean filesystem, despite from newfs and restore. |
| 09:56.39 | kombi | when I set a gateway for eth2, eth1 is unreachable. Doesn't each nic/network need it's own gw? |
| 09:56.48 | formorer | Eryn_1983_FL: whats the problem with --set-selections ? |
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| 09:57.08 | jackki | http://schilderijvanhetjaar.nl/paintings/vote_for_painting/628 |
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| 09:57.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | what format does the stupid file have to be in.. i tried install packagename and Install package name. |
| 09:57.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | it dosnt like just packagename |
| 09:57.41 | formorer | same as dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:57.47 | ChrisH | formorer: no |
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| 09:57.55 | formorer | sure. |
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| 09:58.46 | formorer | dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --set-selections ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 09:58.46 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, formorer |
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| 09:58.52 | ChrisH | formorer: aehm... each network will have its own gateway. see netstat -rn and you will see a gateway for the "own" network. pastebin netstat -rn; ifconfig -a |
| 09:59.14 | formorer | netstat? I was talking about dpkg |
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| 09:59.28 | Desproges | Hi, is that possible that the ssh service start automatically on reboot without anything in the /etc/rcX directories ? |
| 09:59.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | formfor i got no old machine to run that on just alist.. |
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| 09:59.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | so how do i | or > it into set |
| 09:59.47 | ChrisH | formorer: oh man.. mixed 2 lines |
| 09:59.54 | formorer | Eryn_1983_FL: cat list | xargs apt-get install |
| 10:00.01 | ChrisH | kombi: each network will have its own gateway. see netstat -rn and you will see a gateway for the "own" network. pastebin netstat -rn; ifconfig -a |
| 10:00.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok trying that formorer |
| 10:00.15 | formorer | if its just one package per line |
| 10:00.38 | kombi | ChrisH: coming up.. |
| 10:00.46 | kettlecooked | Our webhost's shared hosting env. has the whole /etc folder readable by any customer, is that a security vulnerability, and if so do you have an example why? We're not sure, but it feels wrong. |
| 10:01.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
| 10:01.09 | formorer | kettlecooked: world readable shadow? |
| 10:01.23 | formorer | world readable my.cnf? |
| 10:01.34 | formorer | yeah, passwords and mysql for everybody |
| 10:01.39 | kettlecooked | formorer: what's the shadow? I'll see if I can find my.cnf |
| 10:01.54 | formorer | kettlecooked: /etc/shadow |
| 10:02.14 | formorer | kettlecooked: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 10:02.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | that works. |
| 10:02.26 | kombi | ChrisH: http://pastebin.se/jS8rvZTC |
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| 10:02.37 | KiFunStuS | intore: run it manually fix it , then reinstall mozzila |
| 10:02.49 | KiFunStuS | gawd i was scrolled up sorry |
| 10:02.49 | formorer | kombi: two default gateways are a bad idea. |
| 10:02.59 | formorer | unless you are familiar with policy based routing |
| 10:03.18 | kettlecooked | formorer: no, both debian.cnf and shadow are root only, set specifically, so I guess they might know what they're doing? |
| 10:03.40 | kombi | formorer: how do I make them non-default? |
| 10:03.44 | formorer | then its not the whole folder. |
| 10:03.58 | formorer | kombi: dont set them as a default gateway |
| 10:04.12 | intore | KiFunStuS, ChrisH. This last check has been succesfully terminated |
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| 10:04.37 | kombi | formorer: I wonder how that is done in network/interfaces syntax... |
| 10:04.41 | jasper^off | hej guys. I connect with filezilla and ssh to my server...but both timeout quite quicklyu.. |
| 10:04.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i need my apt from before |
| 10:04.46 | jasper^off | is this a setting I can fix somewhere? |
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| 10:05.09 | formorer | kombi: don't add a default gateway line... |
| 10:05.22 | kombi | formorer: ;)... |
| 10:05.36 | kombi | formorer: I'll check that |
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| 10:05.57 | formorer | take care that you have at least one default gateway after you finished |
| 10:06.33 | kombi | formorer: so you mean only the last counts? |
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| 10:07.17 | formorer | its alway hard to say what will happen if you have multiple default gateways with the same priority |
| 10:07.29 | formorer | there its usually a bad idea to have multiple of them |
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| 10:08.53 | kombi | formorer: maybe take a look at these http://pastebin.se/PXUiqw29 |
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| 10:09.20 | formorer | urgs : interfaces. |
| 10:09.31 | j4jackj | i'm pretty sure my hard disk is weeks to failure. Error readiing block, short read while getting next inode from scan. |
| 10:09.35 | formorer | kombi: I can't say what is your correct setup. I don't know your network |
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| 10:11.45 | kombi | formorer: I'll check the network/interfaces syntax to see how to set network specific gateways |
| 10:12.09 | formorer | kombi: you don't need a gateway per network. |
| 10:12.24 | formorer | that usually doesn't make sense |
| 10:12.30 | kombi | formorer: no? I was under that impression... |
| 10:13.08 | formorer | why should you need one? for which type of packages? |
| 10:13.13 | kombi | formorer: I need rp_filter switched off then though I guess |
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| 10:13.50 | kombi | formorer: I'm with you, allthough there must have been some reason I put it there then |
| 10:13.57 | jasper^off | does anyone know how I can prevent my putty from timing out all the time? |
| 10:14.00 | jasper^off | it's kind of annyoing |
| 10:14.18 | kombi | that is probaby not putty |
| 10:14.26 | ectospasm | jasper^off: maybe an SSH session timeout. |
| 10:14.27 | formorer | jasper^off: http://blog.nth-design.com/2010/05/10/using-keepalive-in-putty/ |
| 10:14.28 | jasper^off | no it's the server |
| 10:14.39 | jasper^off | ectospasm the same happens with proftpd though |
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| 10:15.06 | ectospasm | could be a border gateway session timer. |
| 10:15.13 | ChrisH | jasper^off: then it sounds more like a session timeout from a firewall between |
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| 10:15.31 | formorer | anyhow keepalive should help then |
| 10:15.40 | ectospasm | at work they had something that would timeout every ten minutes... made video conferences suck ass. |
| 10:16.07 | ChrisH | tcp and or server keepalive... I needed to learn tcp keep alive does not help in all cases. |
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| 10:18.22 | jasper^off | I'll give that a try anyways |
| 10:18.28 | jasper^off | maybe proftpd has a timeout function also? :P |
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| 10:20.32 | jasper^off | I figured filezilla has a keep alive also |
| 10:20.34 | jasper^off | I"ll just use that |
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| 10:30.46 | Guest17520 | How do I identify the driver / module associated to a certain major number e.g 5 |
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| 10:33.29 | niels1 | Guest17520, look at /proc/devices |
| 10:35.23 | Guest17520 | niels1 : It tells only the device name |
| 10:35.55 | Guest17520 | What would be the driver / module name registered with major number e.g.4 |
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| 10:37.04 | nru | Hi |
| 10:38.32 | nru | I built a custom debian-installer (by taking the official netboot initrd and replacing /lib/modules and serving the stock debian kernel on TFTP) |
| 10:38.39 | nru | and it crashes during installation |
| 10:38.56 | nru | how can I debug the debian-installer? |
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| 10:49.23 | pskosinski | Wicd says Couldn't detect a wireless interface |
| 10:50.03 | pskosinski | Ifconfig is nit showing interface, what is wrong? |
| 10:50.16 | unixSnob | pdf cropping seems to involve guesswork on the coordinates. What tool would help graphically determine the cropping region? |
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| 10:54.39 | cantoma | guys, any skype client for amd64 squeeze ?? |
| 10:55.18 | boudiccas | cantoma: skype isnt supported under debian, its proptietary |
| 10:55.50 | cantoma | boudiccas, any good alternative? |
| 10:56.05 | unixSnob | cantoma: SIP is open |
| 10:56.21 | cantoma | considering that the other person might use windows |
| 10:56.21 | boudiccas | i think empathy but i could be wrong |
| 10:56.22 | cantoma | or mac |
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| 10:56.55 | unixSnob | cantoma: SIP is very widespread.. you can get SIP clients on anything.. even phones |
| 10:57.02 | unrar | hi |
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| 10:57.36 | cantoma | unixSnob, so if my friend is using windows and i am using debian .. which clients shall we both use? |
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| 10:58.16 | unixSnob | cantoma: not sure, i don't have a need for this myself. |
| 10:58.19 | ChrisH | cantoma: I use the skype package downloadable from sype webpage. Works for all 3 systems I installed it on. 2x amd64 1x i386 |
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| 10:58.39 | boudiccas | cantoma: you want something that is compatibke with both machines like 2 cans with a bit of string in between :) |
| 10:58.52 | cantoma | boudiccas, yes |
| 10:58.59 | pskosinski | Nobody using wicd for WLAN? |
| 10:59.03 | cantoma | ChrisH, so is skype supported by debian? |
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| 10:59.24 | ChrisH | cantoma: no. skpye is supported by skype |
| 10:59.27 | cantoma | so guys, my friend wants to skype he has a windows pc and a mac computer |
| 10:59.45 | cantoma | i need to tell him that instead of skype lets use this one ... |
| 11:00.15 | boudiccas | cantoma: best ask in #windows and/or #mac then |
| 11:00.41 | ChrisH | cantoma: go to your local skpye webpage and download the deb file from there. and off you go |
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| 11:01.02 | cantoma | boudiccas, if they know of any SIP clients |
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| 11:01.36 | ChrisH | boudiccas: language question: Is "and off you go" impolite or does it mean what I wanted to say? install it, use it, as it works |
| 11:02.03 | cantoma | ChrisH, is it the dynamic package? |
| 11:02.08 | boudiccas | ChrisH: no, its not impolite, slightly colloquial though |
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| 11:02.30 | cantoma | ChrisH, there is a debian wheezy one but i use squeeze |
| 11:03.19 | ChrisH | cantoma: how do you define "dynamic package"? I use the Debian 7 version from http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/ |
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| 11:03.48 | cantoma | ChrisH, i just went here www.skype.com/ |
| 11:03.51 | cantoma | and then to downloads |
| 11:03.59 | cantoma | in downloads i select linux |
| 11:04.18 | cantoma | then there was ubuntu debian (wheezy) and others and the last one was dynamic |
| 11:04.46 | ChrisH | mine shows Debian 7.0 (multiarch) |
| 11:05.11 | cantoma | ChrisH, but that is for wheezy .. it will work in squeeze? |
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| 11:05.58 | pskosinski_ | Wkurza mnie nie co że w dokumentacji: "Zainstal7j będzie działać" |
| 11:06.06 | pskosinski_ | A mi tu samo z siebie nie działa dosłownie nic |
| 11:06.14 | ChrisH | cantoma: I did simply install it last week in squeeze, without thinking about it. worked out of the box |
| 11:06.23 | pskosinski_ | Shit, wrong channel, sorry. >.> |
| 11:06.24 | cantoma | ok |
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| 11:07.15 | ChrisH | cantoma: I cannot verify the version currently, the installed systems is suspended. but tomorrow same time I can do it it does not work. and I assume I still have the deb around then |
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| 11:08.16 | cantoma | ChrisH, it says: package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) any ideas? |
| 11:08.49 | rainfyre | I just added the skype repository to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and did apt-get install skype |
| 11:09.01 | rainfyre | I'm running 64 bit squeeze |
| 11:09.08 | rainfyre | ugh, sorry, wheezy |
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| 11:09.38 | cantoma | rainfyre, let me just try to fix the package error |
| 11:09.41 | ChrisH | last week it was 4.0.0.8-1 I downloaded, then we had 2 versions i386 and amd64 |
| 11:09.53 | ChrisH | Today its skype 4.1 |
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| 11:10.43 | rainfyre | cantona I had the same issue |
| 11:11.04 | cantoma | rainfyre, which line did you add to your repo? |
| 11:11.16 | cantoma | i will have to type squeeze |
| 11:11.45 | rainfyre | cantoma: I tried both versions too, got the wrong architecture error, and added the source |
| 11:12.08 | rainfyre | I added the skype repo line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 11:12.12 | cantoma | rainfyre, so can you show me the line you added? |
| 11:12.53 | rainfyre | cantoma: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
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| 11:13.27 | rainfyre | cantoma: sudo apt-get update && sudo install skype. Pulled in all the dependencies, installed, works. Debian is slick. |
| 11:13.28 | cantoma | rainfyre, it says here: W: Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 11:13.49 | cantoma | after apt-get update |
| 11:15.05 | rainfyre | cantoma: Maybe I shouldn't be advising you, I am running Wheezy and it may handle multi-arch issues differently. |
| 11:15.22 | rainfyre | cantoma: just saw that you're trying to install skype and I did it last night |
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| 11:15.55 | cantoma | well does anyone has "debian squeeze amd64" and could successfully install skype ?? EVER ?? |
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| 11:17.05 | rainfyre | cantoma: google is your friend here |
| 11:17.35 | cantoma | rainfyre, many post speak of wheezy :( |
| 11:17.40 | zafir | it's possible to work with 10gb/s with the same rj45 cable ? |
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| 11:18.31 | yvesD | well take wheezy then? |
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| 11:19.20 | ChrisH | looks like skype only build a 32bit version from the support forum requests |
| 11:19.44 | ChrisH | zafir: depends on the cable type |
| 11:21.07 | zafir | ChrisH what should be the diference between cables? |
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| 11:23.35 | cantoma | ChrisH, they should try to expand their software through other architectures |
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| 11:25.04 | ChrisH | zafir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair CAT6 and better is specified for 10GBit/s |
| 11:26.03 | ChrisH | cantoma: ACK, especially if they (M$) switch off hotmail messagaing |
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| 11:28.06 | waqs | Morning all! |
| 11:28.47 | nsadmin | yeah, it seems like squeeze doesn't do multiarch |
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| 11:29.12 | waqs | A lady at my workplace said to me computers are useless, everyone wants an iPad. I wanted to cry |
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| 11:29.29 | nsadmin | ipads are computers |
| 11:29.39 | nsadmin | waqs, welcome to debian support |
| 11:29.41 | zafir | ChrisH, thank you |
| 11:29.54 | waqs | She was trying to say pcs |
| 11:30.12 | waqs | nsadmin: thanks!! |
| 11:30.12 | rainfyre | nsadmin: squeeze and wheezy handle multiarch differently, right? |
| 11:30.13 | nsadmin | got it, and she's quite wrong |
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| 11:30.35 | jelly | rainfyre: correct. squeeze doesn't handle it at all, really |
| 11:30.56 | waqs | Exactly, I wanted to punch her. PCs being replaced by ipads. Damn |
| 11:31.02 | rainfyre | jelly: morning/afternoon/evening :) Wheezy seems to be handling it just fine |
| 11:31.05 | nsadmin | rainfyre, as far as I've seen, very differently... (as jelly said, it's not really doing anything in squeeze) |
| 11:31.17 | nsadmin | yes wheezy does seem fine |
| 11:31.23 | cantoma | well maybe the google talk could be a good alternative to skype |
| 11:31.31 | rainfyre | nsadmin: I've only used Squeeze on PPC machines, |
| 11:32.14 | rainfyre | nsadmin: No Skype for ppc. Never ran into multiarch issues |
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| 11:33.17 | porton | I updating to Wheezy risky for system stability and reliability? |
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| 11:34.28 | porton | In other words, is Wheezy already stable enough? |
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| 11:35.00 | nsadmin | porton, for max reliability (which you may or may not need), the recommendation is stable |
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| 11:35.15 | nsadmin | it might be, but obviously that depends on what you need |
| 11:35.17 | porton | nsadmin: Latest Skype does not work with stable |
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| 11:36.12 | babilen | porton: The question that you have to answer is: "Whatfor?" -- And testing is by definition not stable (i.e. "unchanging" / /msg dpkg stable). |
| 11:36.17 | babilen | !tell porton about rc bugs |
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| 11:37.01 | ChrisH | porton: It depends on your needs. I typically install testing on my desktop systems and stable on server systems. I even run unstable on my On-call Notebook. |
| 11:37.24 | porton | ChrisH: It is my desktop. I have no notebook |
| 11:37.25 | nsadmin | are we talking about you having a major dns server serving 10s of thousands of domains? |
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| 11:38.48 | format_c | Chris Roman? |
| 11:39.03 | format_c | German i mean |
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| 11:39.26 | babilen | porton: It is IMHO fine to use *but* there are and will be problems with it. Take a look at the list of RC bugs that our bot told you about and read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable (lots of tips in there apply to testing too) |
| 11:39.59 | format_c | Germans typically call laptop a notebook :-) |
| 11:40.39 | ChrisH | format_c: It's a probook :) But yes I am german |
| 11:40.57 | babilen | (we are all Germans) |
| 11:41.28 | waqs | I like Germans! |
| 11:41.51 | format_c | Probably at that time |
| 11:41.56 | porton | I edited my sources.list and ran "apt-get update" |
| 11:42.08 | nsadmin | I think I'm turning Germanese, I think I'm turning Germanese, I really think so |
| 11:42.19 | porton | To switch to Wheezy run "apt-get distupgrade"? |
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| 11:42.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell porton -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:42.43 | nsadmin | you'll probably like wheezy |
| 11:43.03 | babilen | porton: There are a couple of problems that you might run into during the upgrade and some of them are quite hard to fix. How old is that installation? |
| 11:43.08 | pskosinski | I don't. >.> |
| 11:43.19 | waqs | Which kernel is wheezy going to use? |
| 11:43.23 | babilen | 3.2 |
| 11:43.35 | waqs | Awesome. I like 3.2 |
| 11:43.36 | babilen | waqs: 3.2 (+ backported patches) |
| 11:43.42 | porton | babilen: I don't remember how old is it |
| 11:44.16 | nsadmin | you like 3.2 germans?! |
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| 11:44.27 | babilen | porton: Ok, fair enough. Well, try the upgrade. We can probably help you if you run into problems. I take it that you have backups? |
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| 11:44.39 | waqs | Nsadmin: haha. No I like Germans and 3.2 kernel. |
| 11:44.49 | porton | babilen: I have backup of my /home |
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| 11:45.14 | nsadmin | wonders about the 0.8 German waqs doesn't like... |
| 11:45.20 | nsadmin | feels sad... |
| 11:45.22 | waqs | I'm British but have German friends. I'm turning germanese too |
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| 11:45.58 | mebus | Hi! what do i have to install in debian to get x to work in a spice guest? |
| 11:45.59 | waqs | Nsadmin: haha. |
| 11:46.09 | format_c | Gut |
| 11:46.22 | nsadmin | waqs which word do you like better, and, or but? |
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| 11:47.00 | format_c | But #debian.de is quite silent though |
| 11:47.06 | waqs | Nsadmin: hmm. Not but! Better! |
| 11:47.45 | nsadmin | but kinda acts like and, and has the side effect of negating what it follows |
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| 11:48.53 | waqs | Nsadmin: To find security vulnerabilies in debian, does the security team keep testing after release or does it scan forums, hacker forums etc, or both?? |
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| 11:49.17 | Shadow` | security.debian.org |
| 11:50.48 | babilen | waqs: Well, "normal" channel such as CVEs (cf. http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/) + bug reports mostly. |
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| 11:52.18 | nsadmin | so, presently we have lenny (oldstable and end of lifed early february) which had its last security update in march, just to make sure things are closed off. then there is squeeze, current stable which has security support from security.d.o, then there is wheezy which has no security support at all from security.d.o, and maybe security bugs would simply be fixed by their maints. |
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| 11:52.32 | sonne | greetings! |
| 11:52.47 | nsadmin | sonne, hi, welcome to debian support |
| 11:53.19 | sonne | oh, i just noticed this isn't debian-devel - is it still a godo place to ask for packaging? |
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| 11:53.22 | waqs | What is cve? |
| 11:53.44 | sonne | waqs, usually it identifies a vulnerability |
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| 11:54.42 | babilen | waqs: Take a look at the website that I linked. CVEs are "Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures" ... The standardised way in which security problems are tracked and categorised. |
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| 11:55.31 | nsadmin | also wheezy is currently frozen, so it's harder for packages (or bugfixes or other updates to get into wheezy without a person saying yes |
| 11:55.33 | waqs | Nsadmin: kewl what's security.d.o? |
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| 11:55.43 | nsadmin | .debian.org |
| 11:55.58 | waqs | Oh haha |
| 11:55.59 | ChrisH | waqs: example http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-2122 |
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| 11:56.21 | babilen | waqs: http://security.debian.org and http://security-tracker.debian.org are worth a look |
| 11:56.35 | waqs | Nice thanks |
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| 11:57.04 | nsadmin | welcome. |
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| 11:57.11 | waqs | Im doing a uni project in threat intelligence. See how security Intel is gathered. Thanks a lot. |
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| 11:57.33 | babilen | waqs: The CVE linked by ChrisH is tracked on http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-2122 in Debian |
| 11:58.27 | waqs | I heard of exploitdb and things like that but not cve thanks!! |
| 11:59.27 | waqs | That's really helpful. |
| 11:59.40 | babilen | waqs: CVEs are the industry standard ... exploitdb looks like some script kiddy resource ;) |
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| 12:00.37 | AndChat|598241 | Sorry. Got disconnected. |
| 12:01.02 | AndChat|598241 | My name as changed as well!!! :( |
| 12:01.09 | AndChat|598241 | its waqs. |
| 12:01.42 | nsadmin | waqs will take a moment to finally leave... |
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| 12:02.39 | ectospasm | is it weird that I connect to IRC via SSH to my VPS? |
| 12:03.28 | nsadmin | we'd never notice that in real time... |
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| 12:04.13 | AndChat|598241 | Ectospasm. I do that! |
| 12:04.25 | cusco | hi folks |
| 12:04.39 | ectospasm | AndChat|598241: then what's up with the funky autogen'd nick? |
| 12:04.40 | cusco | what would be the lightest vpn protocol to have as a client on a debian server? |
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| 12:05.00 | AndChat|598241 | I'm on my phone atm lol |
| 12:05.00 | ectospasm | cusco: OpenVPN or SSH, take your pick. |
| 12:05.20 | ectospasm | cusco: SSH is probably lighter |
| 12:05.47 | cusco | our router can have openvpn, pptp, l2tp, sstp.. no ssh tho |
| 12:05.50 | ectospasm | cusco: though standard X forwarding over the WAN (or even LAN) is more painful than it should be. |
| 12:05.54 | formorer | in fact ssh as protocol is pretty heavy... |
| 12:06.34 | formorer | if you really want to do vpn and you don't have to server random embedded clients (mobile phones, other routers and so on) use openvpn |
| 12:07.04 | cusco | ok |
| 12:07.06 | formorer | otherwise you have to use ipsec |
| 12:07.25 | formorer | s/server/serve/ |
| 12:07.39 | cusco | im going to look at ovpn thn |
| 12:08.11 | bad_jelly | Question: I can press multimedia keys on laptop to increase volume, on/off wifi etc. It works okay, but howto modify? Which package or system implements that plz - coz I'd like to add/modify the default behavior. Thx. |
| 12:08.24 | boudiccas | What light-weight text editor is availkable foir gnome3/xfce that has spell check facilities please? |
| 12:08.38 | babilen | boudiccas: vim |
| 12:08.42 | porton | bad_jelly: The worst thing here is that incidental pressing Power key shuts down the system! |
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| 12:08.59 | boudiccas | babilen: okay, medium weight then? :) |
| 12:09.07 | babilen | boudiccas: vim-gtk |
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| 12:09.35 | ChrisH | [xl]emacs 8MB should be OK these days :) |
| 12:09.44 | shevy | question - when there are two different versions of a program, bluefish-1.0.7 and bluefish-2.2.2, the default apt-get installs the latest. is there a way to specify to install the older bluefish? |
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| 12:10.06 | ChrisH | shevy: yes |
| 12:10.14 | porton | boudiccas: gedit? |
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| 12:10.38 | formorer | shevy: apt-get install package=version |
| 12:10.52 | shevy | ah cool, thanks to you two |
| 12:11.05 | boudiccas | porton: gedit is just a bit too heavy, overkill maybe. i want something lighter |
| 12:11.44 | porton | boudiccas: Why your computer is so weak? |
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| 12:11.54 | day | boudiccas: scite is nice too. not sure how heavy tho |
| 12:12.20 | boudiccas | porton: its a 2003 vintage with 512mb ram, ancient but runnign wheezy quite happily |
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| 12:12.34 | waqs | Yay |
| 12:12.42 | porton | boudiccas: Why don't you upgrade your hardware? |
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| 12:14.03 | boudiccas | porton: why should I? it still works very well and dooesn't need consignign to landfill yet |
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| 12:14.51 | ChrisH | boudiccas: adding memeory might be a cheap and easy improvment |
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| 12:15.26 | day | ChrisH: heck even a raspberrypi might be an upgrade ioi |
| 12:15.36 | boudiccas | ChrisH: not the sort of ram this takes, when i last investigated it , it would've cost an arm and a leg! Plus I haven't got the finances for it |
| 12:15.38 | porton | Is it true that Debian works on ancient i386 computers? |
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| 12:15.58 | boudiccas | porton: yes, its working here |
| 12:16.17 | nsadmin | no, they've been dropping support for old machine periodically |
| 12:16.37 | Infiltrator | porton: I would say give it a shot; but no guarantees. :) |
| 12:16.53 | nsadmin | boudiccas, oh? what did you have to do to get it to work? |
| 12:16.57 | porton | nsadmin: But does x86 version of Debian use features of modern processors to be even faster? |
| 12:17.34 | boudiccas | nsadmin: plug it in, and install squeeze. or maybe this isnt what you term 'ancient i386 computer' then? |
| 12:17.59 | nsadmin | what processor do you have? |
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| 12:18.18 | nsadmin | so it's not actually a 386 I take it? |
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| 12:18.48 | nsadmin | I remember when debian removed support for 486 |
| 12:19.02 | waqs | Boudiccas: if you need any hardware let me know. I'll give it to you. Like ram. |
| 12:19.07 | babilen | porton: Debian packages are compiled for 586. So Debian won't run on every 386 .. |
| 12:19.18 | boudiccas | nsadmin: Processor Information |
| 12:19.18 | boudiccas | Socket Designation: Socket A |
| 12:19.18 | boudiccas | Type: Central Processor |
| 12:19.18 | boudiccas | Family: Duron |
| 12:19.18 | boudiccas | Manufacturer: AMD |
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| 12:19.52 | babilen | nsadmin: AFAIU it was a mistake. Read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/05/msg00614.html |
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| 12:21.02 | boudiccas | nsadmin: Version: AMD Athlon(tm)Voltage: 3.3 VExternal Clock: 100 MHzMax Speed: 1500 MHz |
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| 12:23.39 | boudiccas | waqs: Have you got any 'Type: Other SDRAM' please? Going spare? How muchdo you want for a 256mb stick? shall we take it to #debain-offtopic? |
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| 12:24.49 | dax | If I have a hard disk containing Windows 7 and an SSD containing nothing, and I tell debian-installer to install Debian on the SSD, is it going to do something sane and semi-automatic to make them dual-boot, or do i have to go read documentation and ponder it for an hour beforehand? |
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| 12:25.02 | dax | (and yes, I have backups) |
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| 12:26.12 | ChrisH | day: For me it worked twice in that combination. Both time with having Win7 resize its partition |
| 12:26.34 | dax | well, they're on two separate disks, so my thought was that I can just leave the Win7 partition as it is and have all the Linux stuff on the SSD |
| 12:26.36 | waqs | I'll give it to you free if in England. Otherwise can you pay the shipping? |
| 12:26.47 | boudiccas | waqs: i'm in kent |
| 12:27.04 | waqs | Nice. |
| 12:27.23 | waqs | I'll let you when I get hold of it. |
| 12:27.38 | omid8bimo | hello, how can i increase the max_open_files for a daemon such as apache? i see the limit in /proc/$PID/limits but i dunno how to increasae it for a specific daemon? |
| 12:27.59 | omid8bimo | i put "ulimit -n ulimited" on their /etc/init.d script but didnt work |
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| 12:30.33 | joltcan | omid8bimo: I seem to recall that I modified /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 12:30.45 | joltcan | but I can't double check that right now |
| 12:32.06 | omid8bimo | joltcan: yeah i know that but that wont work properly. i recall i could do it by putting ulimit command in their startup script or /etc/defaults configures but didnt work |
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| 12:38.28 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: check with ulimit -aS and ulimit -aH in the startup script for Soft and Hard limits set |
| 12:39.02 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: all right. let me test |
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| 12:41.27 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: what arguments ulimit -aS must get? ulimit -aS unlimited wont work |
| 12:41.32 | unixSnob | can any debian packages show a PDF file the same way ghostscript sees it? |
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| 12:41.58 | unixSnob | ghostscript thinks my document is sideways, but xpdf shows it upright |
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| 12:42.22 | hramrach_ | hello |
| 12:43.01 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: both must be used without additional argument. Both will show the limit setting only! |
| 12:43.41 | cusco | well I went off using pptp client as requires no encryption.. now using interfaces file, to start up, should I have a post-up command in eth0? |
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| 12:44.07 | cusco | command being pon tunnel |
| 12:44.27 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: ok but which line is for open files? |
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| 12:45.37 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: the one starting with "open files" |
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| 12:45.53 | babilen | :-D |
| 12:45.56 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: ChrisH i thought so but i dont have it |
| 12:46.15 | chah_ayu | :* |
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| 12:46.49 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: http://paste.debian.net/210682/ |
| 12:47.49 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: the limits from ulimit -aS get assigned to a process upon process creation if the parent does not inherit a different setting |
| 12:47.51 | unixSnob | how can debian not have GGV? a ghostscript-based viewer is pretty basic, no? |
| 12:48.03 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: ok which part of /etc/init.d/xx script you did put that two lines? |
| 12:49.33 | omid8bimo | i did put the after case ... start .. log_daemon_msg... |
| 12:49.39 | LV-426 | hello, why is debootstrap failing due to 'unknown key AED4B06F473041FA' despite it showing in gpg -k ? |
| 12:49.40 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: I did call it from commandline.... args... seems like ulimit has not binary on Linux. It's a shell-builtin |
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| 12:50.45 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: yes it is a shell built-in. but via these, i can see the current values for max open file; still how can i set it? |
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| 12:53.16 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: ulimit -n 4096 (or whatever your application needs) in the start stanza of the init-script. I personally would add another ulimit -a afterwards to verify the setting got active |
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| 12:56.16 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: i put it in case funtion. right under start) but its not working |
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| 13:00.23 | boudiccas | Can somebody please confirm that this .. http://dpaste.com/833259/ .. is a pc133 168 pin sdram stick please? |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | boudiccas: ##hardware |
| 13:01.20 | boudiccas | abrotman: okay, thanks |
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| 13:02.01 | abrotman | boudiccas: /msg dpkg whats my hardware .. olook at some of the other tools |
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| 13:05.40 | niels1 | omid8bimo, maybe this helps: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615632#10 |
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| 13:11.39 | omid8bimo | niels1: hmmm...! |
| 13:11.59 | omid8bimo | niels1: but my apache is 2.2.20 |
| 13:12.21 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:13.15 | abrotman | zetheroo: ntp |
| 13:13.42 | babilen | omid8bimo: Is that version in Debian? Could you show us the "apt-cache policy PKG" output for your Apache package on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:13.58 | zetheroo | abrotman: I thought ntp was something that just did a time sync on boot |
| 13:14.15 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:15.24 | zetheroo | is that just a matter of installing ntp? |
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| 13:16.12 | jelly | zetheroo: for a server or a machine 24/7 on, pretty much |
| 13:16.14 | abrotman | install it, read the docs .. generally, that's enough |
| 13:16.30 | abrotman | unless you have some network issues or special needs |
| 13:16.50 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.09 | niels1 | zetheroo, ntpdate is a one-shot time sync, but ntp is a daemon that keeps a system permanently synced |
| 13:17.17 | abrotman | please don't use ntpdate |
| 13:17.35 | jelly | zetheroo: VMs may have other issues, but usually your VM vendor will provide the recommended settings to make ntpd work well |
| 13:18.21 | niels1 | abrotman, i just wanted to explain to zetheroo what program s/he probably remembered |
| 13:18.50 | zetheroo | the VM's are running on KVM servers ... which are running Debain Wheezy |
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| 13:19.01 | omid8bimo | babilen: i've upgraded to 2.2.22 now |
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| 13:19.28 | niels1 | omid8bimo, you still need to edit your /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 13:19.53 | nsadmin | what's wrong with ntpdate? you run it once then start ntpd |
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| 13:20.16 | omid8bimo | niels1: i guess so! i wanna test it now |
| 13:20.22 | abrotman | nsadmin: no, it doesn't work like that |
| 13:21.20 | nsadmin | what do you mean? that's what it's for |
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| 13:21.37 | abrotman | if you say so .. but you're wrong |
| 13:21.46 | nsadmin | explain why |
| 13:22.07 | nsadmin | are you saying it cannot work? |
| 13:22.30 | zetheroo | I installed ntp but the time is still on ... do I have to initiate a sync? |
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| 13:23.03 | abrotman | zetheroo: it takes time, it does not slew the clock by default .. it will start correcting it slowly |
| 13:23.11 | zetheroo | I see |
| 13:23.25 | nsadmin | you'd be dead wrong on that, I've done it several times on machines that weren't initially within 1024 secs (which ntp doesn't sync) |
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| 13:24.05 | porton | After upgrading squeeze -> wheezy cursors in Iceweasel became black. How to return to old white cursors? |
| 13:24.10 | zetheroo | will it take a day or so for it to get into sync? |
| 13:24.22 | abrotman | zetheroo: how far is it out? |
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| 13:24.37 | JackyCheng | Hi |
| 13:24.42 | zetheroo | about 45 seconds or so |
| 13:24.50 | abrotman | perahps .. |
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| 13:25.24 | JackyCheng | Quick question - I need to grant access to a file owned by root.root to another user, the second user is a member of the root group, the file is chmod'ed 755 but the user can't access |
| 13:25.31 | JackyCheng | anything I could do to grant access? |
| 13:25.48 | imolit1 | i have several python modules in a directory for a program i've written. some modules are for the server part, some are for the client part. for various reasons tehy need to be in the same directory. is it possible to generate two separate .deb-files with this setup? if so, how? i haven't been able to find a good way. :( |
| 13:25.56 | nsadmin | ok, I see, you're recommending against an instantaneous sync and instead correct slowly |
| 13:26.23 | abrotman | wonders what nsadmin is on today .. |
| 13:27.06 | unrar | brb |
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| 13:34.46 | newworld | hello out there.. |
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| 13:37.29 | nsadmin | newworld, hi, welcome to debian support |
| 13:37.47 | newworld | im pretty new to deian and try to connect an IRC via Xchat, but it stuck.... |
| 13:37.58 | abrotman | which IRC, stuck how? |
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| 13:38.14 | newworld | xchat. |
| 13:38.47 | nsadmin | I think he might want to know which irc net |
| 13:38.56 | nsadmin | (you already said xchat) |
| 13:39.18 | newworld | stuck everywhere... |
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| 13:40.13 | nsadmin | newworld well except here, right? |
| 13:40.42 | newworld | also here @ the moment use Webchat... |
| 13:41.00 | mcfrisk | Q: In wheezy installer , is it possible to install grub to a separate partition? Trying /dev/sda5 (logical /boot partition) fails with "cannot read /grub/core.img correctly" |
| 13:41.31 | nsadmin | on that machine, ping yahoo.com |
| 13:41.38 | nsadmin | does it return replies? |
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| 13:43.43 | newworld | yes. no timeout |
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| 13:44.07 | nsadmin | great... so nothing is wrong with your network or name resolution |
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| 13:44.42 | zetheroo | ntp seems to have done the trick! :) |
| 13:44.47 | nsadmin | so you're going to have to describe what you do and what you get in more detail |
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| 13:46.39 | newworld | thee is no error message. just getting: Conected and Login in progress.... |
| 13:47.09 | newworld | but can´t get far from here |
| 13:47.11 | nsadmin | and does it repeat that phrase? |
| 13:47.16 | nsadmin | or just stop? |
| 13:47.27 | newworld | just stop. |
| 13:47.36 | nsadmin | ok, so no retries |
| 13:47.47 | newworld | yes |
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| 13:50.04 | nsadmin | how exactly do you try to connect? |
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| 13:52.11 | newworld | open xchat. take freenode from list (was already there) only setting is marked is this one with Global Nick settings. |
| 13:53.19 | nsadmin | is your nick registered? |
| 13:53.24 | newworld | no |
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| 13:53.28 | newworld | so also cannnot connect with other IRC-Clients. |
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| 13:54.43 | alesan | hey how do I use apt-get -t option to install from the "real" debian repository instead of emdebian? |
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| 13:55.08 | babilen | alesan: #emdebian might know |
| 13:55.31 | alesan | babilen, OK but this is a generic question, not related to emdebian |
| 13:55.48 | alesan | if you were to specify wheezy in the -t of apt-get, what would you put? |
| 13:55.54 | babilen | alesan: I have no idea about their archive layout and all I know is that Debian installs from Debian by default. You could, for example, paste your "apt-cache policy" output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:56.08 | nsadmin | #embdebian still might know (and maybe some here do not) |
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| 13:56.18 | alesan | ok sure |
| 13:56.21 | babilen | alesan: Well, it *is* specific to emdebian in that Debian behaves differently :) |
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| 13:56.57 | nsadmin | not saying "go away", stay on here if you want to, just saying there might be better info |
| 13:57.00 | raz | hrm, how do i clean out my package list cache. i once had debian-multimedia in the sources.list. now it's removed but it still seems to try to source packages from there. |
| 13:57.14 | alesan | oh ok thanks babilen , that helped |
| 13:57.29 | alesan | apt-cache policy gave me the info I needed |
| 13:57.47 | niels1 | newworld, maybe your ISP or something else is blocking the IRC port, try a different port. i think at least freenode should have more than just 6667. try 6666, 6665 or 8000 |
| 13:59.13 | abrotman | raz: aptitude clean |
| 13:59.15 | newworld | nielsl, already tryed other Ports. & same network with a Win7 client is no Problem. |
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| 13:59.43 | alesan | hey which package in debian has icons for ... you know, terminal, etc? |
| 13:59.55 | alesan | I have a "bare" installation of xfce and it has basically no icons |
| 13:59.57 | raz | abrotman: doesn't work. the pkg in question is ffmpeg, dpkg -p still shows the deb-multimedia version. |
| 13:59.58 | alesan | not even for xterm |
| 14:00.31 | raz | abrotman: apt-cache policy strange shows squeeze/main .. i wonder wtf is going on here |
| 14:00.46 | abrotman | raz: do you still have debian-multimedia in your sources.list? |
| 14:00.51 | raz | abrotman: no |
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| 14:01.26 | abrotman | and you've run apt-get update? |
| 14:01.47 | raz | abrotman: yes. it updates squeeze/main and security |
| 14:01.55 | raz | and squeeze/non-free .. nothing else |
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| 14:02.31 | nsadmin | newworld, if you don't have a regd nick, it doesn't make sense for xchat to "log in"... could the profile you're using specify that xchat is to log in under the profile you're using? |
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| 14:03.04 | mastroWork | ah.. installing from cups (localhost:631) worked.... weird |
| 14:03.04 | LV-426 | had to share a very cool way to install Debian - http://www.diogogomes.com/2012/07/13/debootstrap-kvm-image/ |
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| 14:04.47 | nsadmin | newworld, also you can consider #freenode to be an additional source of info; they may be able to help you with your profile, reging your nick and other things. |
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| 14:07.02 | newworld | nsadmin, there isn´t an option to do "no login" xchat is trying the name you have choosen if this one is in use they add _ |
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| 14:07.39 | alesan | is there a way for me to search all packages that put files in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps ?? |
| 14:07.46 | alesan | PS not limited to the packages I have installed |
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| 14:13.15 | abrotman | alesan: apt-file perhaps |
| 14:13.18 | abrotman | or dpkg -S |
| 14:14.02 | babilen | (or |
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| 14:14.05 | nsadmin | check on #freenode as they are familiar with xchat, look for the checkboxes in the settings and the profile... |
| 14:14.06 | babilen | hmm |
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| 14:14.10 | babilen | "dlocate -S" |
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| 14:14.41 | newworld | nsadmin, i installed Firewall configuration over Software Center. But it didn´t open anything after the promt for root acsess. so i deinstalled it. could this do problems? |
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| 14:16.49 | newworld | nsadmin, so is not a specific Xchat problem, also tryed other Clients. but also asking @ #freenoe @ the moment |
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| 14:17.10 | nsadmin | newworld, could you aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 14:17.27 | Delf | Which packages do I need in order to make ping MachineOnLan.local work? |
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| 14:20.00 | nsadmin | you mean as opposed to ping 123.45.67.89 |
| 14:20.03 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 14:28.37 | niels1 | Delf, aptitude install avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd libnss-mdns |
| 14:29.31 | newworld | nsadmin, whatever it does i installed it XD |
| 14:29.48 | nsadmin | great... lots of perl modules I bet |
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| 14:32.40 | nsadmin | could you now... (apt-cache policy ; echo ----- ; apt-cache policy libc6} | nopaste |
| 14:33.35 | nsadmin | and after that, could you show the output of uname -r |
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| 14:37.30 | qube | hello :) i want to install debian along with my windows 7. but i heard debain will start using xfce instead of gnome at next versions. what do you advice me? should i wait debian for the next version of it, or install this last stable one. but really it annoys me, assume that i installed debian's last version now and later a new one came up with xfce to install everyting from the start again. hmm? |
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| 14:38.11 | wdouglass | you'll still be able to install gnome, it just won't be default |
| 14:38.14 | engla | qube: just install debian. you decide which packages to install, no one else |
| 14:38.44 | qube | why they're leaving gnome? |
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| 14:39.26 | engla | qube: nothing suggests debian is leaving gnome |
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| 14:40.10 | qube | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | qube: Debian will still have gnome for wheezy .. the Desktop task in tasksel is going to change (or may have already) |
| 14:40.21 | engla | qube: ignore phoronix |
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| 14:41.07 | abrotman | qube: that article overdramatizes it .. you can choose any desktop you like |
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| 14:41.41 | qube | ok, but will i able to update my gnome to xfce when debian's new version came with xfce without losing any of my settings and programs installed? |
| 14:41.51 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | if you like gnome, use gnome |
| 14:42.17 | qube | abrotman: i am really new to this, but i like debian over other linux distros. |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | okay .. Debian has probably 100 different Window Managers and Desktop Environments .. you can choose to use whichever you prefer |
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| 14:43.35 | qube | abrotman: assume that i installed debian gnome now, a new version came with xfce default, i want to update my system. ok.. what now? will i lose all the info i have and i need a very clean installation of the new version, at that time? |
| 14:44.16 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:44.26 | abrotman | qube: you don't have to use XFCE, no one is forcing you |
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| 14:44.56 | nsadmin | he wants to know if it will change to xfce if he upgrades |
| 14:44.57 | qube | i know abrotman but i only follow debian defaults. |
| 14:45.44 | abrotman | qube: Do you even use Tasksel when you install? |
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| 14:46.21 | qube | nsadmin: of course it will change to xfce when i update, but i wonder it will remain same while updating this stable version (now, at the moment) to a new one with xfce? |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | no, iut won't change |
| 14:46.43 | qube | abrotman: last i installed debian from the GUI. |
| 14:46.52 | abrotman | if you install squeeze with gnome, it will not install xfce when you upgrade to wheezy |
| 14:47.08 | qube | hah. |
| 14:47.25 | abrotman | indeed. |
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| 14:47.43 | qube | i want to use xfce with wheezy but also i want to remain my programs documents videos etc everyting the same. is it possible at that time? |
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| 14:48.15 | abrotman | why do you want to use XFCE? |
| 14:48.33 | qube | because debian center makes it default in the next version. |
| 14:48.35 | abrotman | you were using gnome a momoent ago ... |
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| 14:48.40 | abrotman | qube: no, it does not |
| 14:48.52 | abrotman | qube: use whatever WM/DE you're comfortable with |
| 14:49.01 | abrotman | doesn't even know what 'debian center' is |
| 14:49.06 | qube | which one you're using abrotman? |
| 14:49.15 | abrotman | qube: gnome3, but who cares what i use |
| 14:49.20 | abrotman | qube: use the one you know and you like .. |
| 14:49.23 | qube | lol the people makes decisions for debian's future. |
| 14:49.49 | qube | abrotman: you're not changing it to xfce when wheezy stable? |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | qube: the people that use tasksel generally only use it when they install the first time |
| 14:50.00 | engla | so qube is clearly uncomfortable with making independent decisions |
| 14:50.01 | abrotman | qube: Why would I change what I prefer to use? |
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| 14:50.24 | qube | i don't know. :) |
| 14:50.52 | qube | engla: maybe.. but i said i am completely new to *nix but i want to explore :) |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | I'm not a fan of taking polls, but i'd guess very few people use every default Debian has |
| 14:51.09 | abrotman | qube: xwinman.org .. go explore .. choose one you like |
| 14:51.30 | abrotman | although, that page is pretty outdated at this point |
| 14:51.40 | abrotman | it still thinks KDE is 2.x |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | oh, 3.4 |
| 14:52.17 | abrotman | qube: just use what you like, no one is forcing you to use anyth |
| 14:52.18 | EmleyMoor | I didn't like Gnome 3 when I first saw it - but it's grown on me |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | anything |
| 14:52.30 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i personally quite like it |
| 14:52.35 | qube | acutally i can get rid of windows 7 completely. but i didn't like the alternatives for adobe products on linux. |
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| 14:55.23 | pskosinski | wine >:) |
| 14:55.47 | pskosinski | photoshop has no alternative |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | not entirely true .. |
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| 14:56.39 | abrotman | if you only know photoshop, you may think that, but there are many F/OSS programs for working with raster images |
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| 14:57.05 | pskosinski | Well, for me GIMP is much more than enough but friends workign with graphics are saying that GIMP lacks some things… |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | they may just not know how to do it .. |
| 14:57.24 | pskosinski | maybe |
| 14:57.26 | qube | i need dreamweaver on linux. i wish i had dw cs5 working on linux. |
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| 14:58.39 | abrotman | qube: not to be a jerk, but HTML is pretty simple. You really don't need Dreamweaver .. |
| 14:58.47 | abrotman | does Mozilla still have the designer? |
| 14:58.53 | qube | also i am doubtfull about using windows programs with wine on linux fromt he point of 'performance'. |
| 14:59.15 | engla | performance is not the problem, just compatibility |
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| 14:59.29 | qube | abrotman: not to being jerk friend. but i am using it for years now and you know, habbits .. |
| 14:59.57 | pskosinski | You can play TF2 through wine so I doubt that you would have problems with Dreamweaver when comest o performance… |
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| 15:00.30 | abrotman | qube: i know, but not all habits are good :) |
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| 15:00.46 | abrotman | qube: mozilla had a designer tool, also, bluefish may do that now |
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| 15:00.57 | engla | you need to make new hobbits when switching to debian |
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| 15:01.37 | boudiccas | bluefish is the html programme of choice nowadays fro debain, works very well |
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| 15:01.47 | qube | engla: switching to debians is definitely a *thing* for me. :) |
| 15:02.28 | qube | ok.. i will look around. |
| 15:02.49 | qube | read a lot i guess, xfce or gnome, bluefish or dreamweaver ... |
| 15:02.57 | qube | windows or debian maybe? haha. |
| 15:03.02 | abrotman | qube: perhaps look at iceape |
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| 15:03.04 | qube | thank you for the kind replies. |
| 15:03.21 | engla | abuse the package repositories and try everything you can muster |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | not sure if they still develop it .. but it has a WYSIWYG HTML editor |
| 15:03.35 | qube | by the way do you have a good tutorial installing debian along with windows with pictures? |
| 15:03.59 | boudiccas | you mean "Debain for Dummies"? |
| 15:04.17 | jhutchins_wk | qube: There's an install guide. Install windows first. |
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| 15:04.28 | _KaszpiR_ | hehe |
| 15:04.35 | boudiccas | or do you mean a "Haynes Manual"? |
| 15:04.46 | qube | bufs, i am just new, for dummies? eh. |
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| 15:04.59 | jhutchins_wk | If you really need pictures ... Linux may not be for you. |
| 15:05.15 | qube | in time, jhutchins_wk .. |
| 15:05.22 | jhutchins_wk | !ig |
| 15:05.23 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 15:05.33 | qube | ok. |
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| 15:06.10 | starryeyed | hello all |
| 15:06.23 | starryeyed | I want to seed debian over bittorrent |
| 15:06.23 | confusid | Whats the best VM host application to use? |
| 15:06.35 | starryeyed | which one should I seed out of this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 15:06.43 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: VMWare |
| 15:06.58 | abrotman | confusid: for what? |
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| 15:07.13 | abrotman | confusid: vbox generally works pretty well, KVM and Xen are also very popular |
| 15:07.28 | abrotman | starryeyed: CD1 and the netinst |
| 15:07.36 | starryeyed | If I understand right from this sentence: "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system." The first listed "debian-6.0.6-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent" is the most commonly downloaded one, right? |
| 15:07.48 | confusid | abrotman: need to run a windows 2003 and xp vm. |
| 15:07.52 | confusid | Work related |
| 15:08.19 | abrotman | confusid: virtualbox would probably work .. |
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| 15:08.30 | confusid | abrotman: ty |
| 15:08.36 | abrotman | confusid: i recently had Win8 in vbox, minus the lack of RAM, worked well enough |
| 15:08.42 | starryeyed | abrotman, thanks... so people don't need CD2 and the rest? this is slightly confusing, usually in such downloads the CDs merge together after downloadign |
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| 15:08.57 | abrotman | starryeyed: they do need the rest, but CD1 and the netinst are the most popular |
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| 15:09.35 | abrotman | starryeyed: let me put it this way .. if i were downloading all the CDs for some silly reason, i'd torrent CD1 and probably download the rest directly |
| 15:09.55 | Shadow` | you can let the installer itself download the other CD's basically |
| 15:10.32 | abrotman | right, if you're using http sources .. i said if i were downloading all 526 CDs or whatever it is now |
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| 15:11.09 | starryeyed | :) ty for the advice, I'm a fan of the netinstall, I'm downloading it now and will keep seeding |
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| 15:11.56 | abrotman | starryeyed: just remember to check back to see if they've updated to 76.0.7 |
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| 15:12.01 | abrotman | uh .. 6.0.7 |
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| 15:12.14 | starryeyed | cool! sure.. |
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| 15:12.44 | engla | I think the most used one must be the i386/amd64 hybrid linked from the front page of debian.org |
| 15:13.21 | engla | but it's directly linked to the .iso file in fact |
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| 15:15.50 | nrs_ | does anyone here have any experience with 4K-sector advanced format drives? |
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| 15:28.38 | boudiccas | confusid: boxes on whezy |
| 15:28.45 | boudiccas | wheezy |
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| 15:34.37 | confusid | boudiccas: boxes? |
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| 15:35.26 | damacus | !ask |
| 15:35.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:35.32 | boudiccas | confusid: yes, thats what it says in the menu. and when i ran it it stated that it would install a system to operate otehr operating systems on it |
| 15:36.27 | confusid | boudiccas: oh so it is a vm host application then. will google it. |
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| 15:37.23 | boudiccas | confusid: thats what wheezy is calling it |
| 15:37.29 | confusid | ty |
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| 15:37.44 | boudiccas | you're welcome |
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| 15:38.57 | ManoftheSea | Boxes is for VMs and Remote Desktops... "All the systems that aren't this one." |
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| 15:44.15 | pskosinski | Maybe stupid questions… How to change volume when I have PulseAudio? I can't using alsamixer |
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| 15:44.26 | touki | Hi |
| 15:45.08 | touki | I have a problem to run a program through vncviewer the message error is : Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable. |
| 15:45.32 | touki | I don't get how to fix it, neither what servers display variable ? |
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| 15:46.15 | pingec | What do you do when you remove a lib with "apt-get remove lib" and compile and install yourself a patched version but then apt-get stops working for everything because of "unmet dependencies". Is there a way to have apt-get working while having a manually installed lib? |
| 15:46.24 | pingec | touki what is the command you used? |
| 15:46.43 | Shadow` | touki: maybe the display is diff, try "printenv DISPLAY"? |
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| 15:49.19 | touki | pingec: I just launched a program |
| 15:49.45 | touki | Shadow: I did export to modify it |
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| 15:51.31 | Rikle_S | Hi |
| 15:51.39 | ManoftheSea | touki: the command might start with pa. pamixer? pactl? maybe? |
| 15:51.47 | confusid | installed vbox and this is the error I get when I try to run it. http://paste.debian.net/210729/ uname -a shows 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.32-1~bpo60+1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:52.05 | Rikle_S | can someone help me on the first start. Xorg don't run after drivers install |
| 15:52.05 | ManoftheSea | er, sorry... pskosinski: pamixer or some other pa<tab> command |
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| 15:52.35 | pskosinski | ManoftheSea: thanks :) |
| 15:53.51 | touki | ManoftheSea: I have to check pactl file ? |
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| 15:54.58 | touki | I don't get what you said |
| 15:55.09 | Rikle_S | in logs, it says : number of created screens does not match number |
| 15:55.25 | wols_ | pingec: look at equivs. but it would be better if you'd compiled your version to a normal package. but since you didn't, you can fake it with equivs. apt-cache show equivs |
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| 15:56.02 | babilen | pskosinski: You want pavucontrol |
| 15:56.21 | pskosinski | babilen: I don't |
| 15:56.31 | babilen | pskosinski: And why can't you use alsamixer? It should expose PA as "main" card if pulseaudio was configured correctly. |
| 15:56.40 | babilen | pskosinski: Why not? Don't you want to change mixer levels? |
| 15:56.57 | pingec | wols_ I will look into that thanks |
| 15:57.06 | pskosinski | My fault, maybe I can use alsamixer... |
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| 15:57.36 | uu | hands babilen a gold-like pa conf file |
| 15:57.43 | babilen | pskosinski: But for pulseaudio you definitely want to use pavucontrol for changing mixer levels (among other things). Why are you so adamant that you don't want it? |
| 15:57.48 | pskosinski | I have intel hd graphics 3000, drivers installed, I have no acceleration in opengl apps, any tip? |
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| 15:58.13 | pskosinski | babilen: Firt of all I'd like to remove everything connected with PA. But I kinda need sdl… |
| 15:58.18 | wols_ | pskosinski: xorg and kernel from backports |
| 15:58.32 | pskosinski | ah, I have wheezy ^^ |
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| 15:58.35 | babilen | uu: It doesn't really take much more than a /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asound.rc in which pulseaudio is configured to be the default. |
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| 15:58.51 | wols_ | pskosinski: then it should be fine. check your Xorg.0.log then |
| 15:59.20 | uu | pskosinski, glxinfo |grep rendering |
| 15:59.29 | babilen | pskosinski: I answered your question "Maybe stupid questions… How to change volume when I have PulseAudio? I can't using alsamixer" -- I wouldn't necessarily recommend to remove PA unless you are sure that your hardware supports mixing |
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| 16:00.03 | babilen | pskosinski, uu: Make that: glxinfo|grep -E "render(er|ing)" |
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| 16:00.19 | uu | lol |
| 16:00.32 | pskosinski | "yes", and there are no errors in Xorg.log |
| 16:00.32 | babilen | uu: You can have "direct rendering: Yes" and still use a software rasterizer |
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| 16:00.38 | babilen | pskosinski: ^^^ |
| 16:00.43 | Rikle_S | can someone help me please ? |
| 16:00.52 | Rikle_S | i need help on Xord=g$ |
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| 16:00.56 | Rikle_S | Xorg |
| 16:01.18 | pskosinski | babilen: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile |
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| 16:01.36 | uu | the rest thing depends on your graphic card |
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| 16:02.00 | uu | if it's newer, gallium3d works |
| 16:02.05 | Rikle_S | can someone help me please ? |
| 16:02.10 | wols_ | Rikle_S: just describe your problem |
| 16:02.38 | Rikle_S | i've done this |
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| 16:02.39 | Rikle_S | http://wiki.debian.org/fr/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Pilotes_non-libres |
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| 16:02.46 | Rikle_S | and since i've reboot |
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| 16:02.58 | Rikle_S | Xorg doesn't run |
| 16:02.59 | uu | pskosinski, what's your fps in glxgears? |
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| 16:03.11 | tgs3 | how to record damn .iso from command line? :< |
| 16:03.27 | pskosinski | uu: 400 FPS |
| 16:03.31 | tgs3 | why aptitude search record doesnt show anytihng |
| 16:03.32 | uu | what? |
| 16:03.36 | pskosinski | uu: Now 667… |
| 16:03.41 | babilen | pskosinski: That looks fine |
| 16:03.43 | engla | glxgears doesn't tell you much |
| 16:04.14 | pskosinski | But game is using still software rasterizer, no idea why… |
| 16:04.18 | uu | pskosinski, test the fps at lowest cpu clock |
| 16:04.20 | babilen | !tell Rikle_S -about nvidia dkms |
| 16:04.24 | _KaszpiR_ | okay, question |
| 16:04.35 | _KaszpiR_ | 27G /var/cache/apt |
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| 16:04.44 | babilen | Rikle_S: You might have to install the nvidia-kernel-dkms package from backports though. (if the version in squeeze doesn't support your card) |
| 16:04.45 | _KaszpiR_ | what the hell happened |
| 16:04.48 | uu | pseubodot, if you have about 600, it's normal |
| 16:04.48 | engla | pskosinski: what game is it? |
| 16:05.00 | pskosinski | engla: Every. :P |
| 16:05.10 | TomyLaptop | gcc upgrade successful, yay |
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| 16:05.45 | babilen | Rikle_S: For that: Enable backports as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo" and install the nvidia drivers with "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r nvidia-kernel-dkms" -- Make sure that you create the (minimal) /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf in both cases. |
| 16:05.51 | pskosinski | engla: Looks like every game using openGL… Sauerbraten, Red Eclipse, Assault Cube, Xonotic… |
| 16:06.00 | engla | pskosinski: assuming you are on wheezy/amd64, are the games native amd64 packages? |
| 16:06.03 | engla | ok |
| 16:06.07 | pskosinski | engla: yes |
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| 16:07.11 | babilen | Rikle_S: You can check which driver version supports which cards on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ → Version → README → README.txt -- For example the version in squeeze-backports ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.59/README/README.txt |
| 16:07.44 | Rikle_S | babilen: i'm downloadling nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:08.06 | _KaszpiR_ | looks like my debian hogged hundreds of the temp files in /var/cache/apt |
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| 16:09.25 | engla | _KaszpiR_: apt-get can clean that out |
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| 16:09.51 | pskosinski | uu: Any tip how to do it? |
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| 16:10.56 | uu | fix the clock of your cpu then launch your glxgears |
| 16:11.29 | pskosinski | how to fix the clock? ^^ |
| 16:11.46 | uu | pskosinski, don't you have a cpu freq tool on the taskbar? |
| 16:11.58 | pskosinski | I don't have taskbar. I'm using dwm |
| 16:12.17 | uu | dwm = puppy? |
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| 16:13.02 | pskosinski | uu: puppy…? It's a window manager… |
| 16:13.03 | uu | puppy has a tool for cpu freq, just in the menu |
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| 16:13.34 | uu | it's default wm of puppy linux |
| 16:13.39 | confusid | How do I go about trouble shooting this? It said to install virtualbox-ose-dkms and I did then run modeprobe vboxdrv did that also. confusid@porta:/etc/init.d$ sudo /etc/init.d/virtualbox-ose start "Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed!" |
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| 16:14.33 | pskosinski | I am using Debian… and dwm != puppy. |
| 16:14.58 | harkon | what could be a possible reason for ping 127.0.0.1 returning "Destination Port Unreachable"? |
| 16:15.15 | harkon | I am using Tails, which is a Debian Live based distribution and I am trying to figure out what have they configured so I can't even ping localhost... |
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| 16:16.14 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 16:16.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:16.22 | j4jackj | Debian install has locked up on checking the partition. |
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| 16:17.39 | abrotman | j4jackj: you're still dealing with that? |
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| 16:18.52 | Rikle_S | babilen: i'm sorry |
| 16:19.01 | j4jackj | oui, mon capitain. I'm going to ask my Mum (I'm 3 to 4 months away from being 13 so chill) if she can get me a 200 GB HDD for my desktop named Deli. |
| 16:19.08 | Rikle_S | babilen: doesn't work :/ |
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| 16:20.38 | ManoftheSea | j4jackj: how will you get so small a disk? |
| 16:21.02 | j4jackj | cause it needs to be cheap. |
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| 16:22.22 | abrotman | j4jackj: the HDD light isn't flashing? |
| 16:22.23 | Rikle_S | someone else ? |
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| 16:22.58 | j4jackj | now it's locked up, hdd light off, on resizing sdb2! |
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| 16:23.33 | j4jackj | ManoftheSea: ebay, will take two weeks and a lot of convincing but it will do. |
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| 16:24.01 | jparkton | j4jackj: still messin with deli huh |
| 16:24.22 | confusid | I used apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 and now dpkg shows "deinstall" next to it. Does that mean it was removed correctly? |
| 16:24.57 | abrotman | confusid: sure should be |
| 16:25.11 | abrotman | j4jackj: is there any data left? |
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| 16:25.32 | petn-randall | confusid: apt-get remove normally leaved config files back |
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| 16:26.04 | petn-randall | confusid: apt-get purge will also delete those. Though in this case I don't think it makes a difference since linux-image-* don't have config files (AFAIK) |
| 16:26.12 | abrotman | confusid: if you look at dpkg -l <pkgname> .. you should see it in a 'rc' state |
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| 16:27.17 | j4jackj | abrotman YES |
| 16:28.10 | abrotman | is somewhat skeptical :) |
| 16:28.22 | j4jackj | I haven't formatted it. |
| 16:28.53 | confusid | abrotman: this is what I see. http://paste.debian.net/210739/ |
| 16:28.57 | j4jackj | why is there a #debian-overflow ? |
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| 16:29.29 | abrotman | j4jackj: join limit on the channel, anti-bot meaure |
| 16:29.31 | abrotman | measure |
| 16:29.32 | nru | j4jackj: to prevent invasions |
| 16:29.43 | j4jackj | gotta go to school now. |
| 16:29.44 | j4jackj | bue |
| 16:29.46 | j4jackj | bye |
| 16:29.47 | abrotman | confusid: that's correct, the conf files remain, package has been removed |
| 16:30.06 | confusid | could I still use --purge now or have to manualy go in and remove then now? |
| 16:30.22 | abrotman | confusid: dpkg -P <pkgname> |
| 16:30.34 | confusid | ty |
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| 16:31.32 | confusid | now only the linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 and linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 remain. :) |
| 16:31.33 | jparkton | I have a python script I need to copy over to the directory I want it to work in everytime I use it. How can I make it so I can run from any dir and not need the ./thing to run it but just use script file.whatever command |
| 16:31.35 | cusco | so I added pon tunnel as a post-up in interfaces file... |
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| 16:32.19 | cusco | so I added pon tunnel as a post-up in interfaces file... |
| 16:32.37 | cusco | so it connects pptp client after bringing eth0 up |
| 16:32.39 | cusco | right? |
| 16:32.43 | boudiccas | I've copme to the conclusion that on this wheezy box with gnome and some kde and XFCE, its more responsive using MATE than it is under XFCE, but is still rock solid and stable |
| 16:33.49 | boudiccas | come |
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| 16:37.15 | cusco | so I added pon tunnel as a post-up in interfaces file... |
| 16:37.18 | cusco | so it connects pptp client after bringing eth0 up |
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| 16:37.26 | cusco | right? |
| 16:37.36 | cusco | now can I add another post-up to add a route? |
| 16:37.40 | cusco | ip route add .... |
| 16:37.47 | cusco | or how should I do it? |
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| 16:39.12 | babilen | Rikle_S: What "doesn't work" ? Which card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) -- Did you check that the version of nvidia-kernel-dkms supports your card in the README.txt that I pointed you at? |
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| 16:39.31 | babilen | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:39.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.64-2; experimental/non-free: 310.14-1+exp1 |
| 16:39.53 | crypticmofo | hello babilen |
| 16:41.10 | crypticmofo | wow this weekened is going to be so short for me |
| 16:41.17 | crypticmofo | im off wed, thrus,friday,sat lol |
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| 16:41.38 | Rikle_S | babilen: VGA compatible controller 0300 : nVidai Corporation Device 10de:0fc6 rev a1 |
| 16:42.55 | Rikle_S | i don't find this in your link |
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| 16:44.41 | crypticmofo | ,pciid 10de:0fc6 |
| 16:44.42 | judd | [10de:0fc6] is 'Unknown device' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0fc6 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 16:44.50 | zykotick9 | Rikle_S: is this a portable with hybrid graphics nvidia/intel? does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" show 2 replies |
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| 16:45.42 | crypticmofo | i've always wanted to do that |
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| 16:50.34 | joar | I'm getting this error: trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libqtwebkit4/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libqtwebkit4:i386 |
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| 16:55.58 | Rikle_S | zykotick9: no |
| 16:56.02 | Rikle_S | juste 1 reply |
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| 16:57.15 | zykotick9 | Rikle_S: ok, just checking. best of luck. |
| 16:58.00 | Rikle_S | zykotick9: what do you mean ? |
| 16:58.25 | engla | joar: that's the multiarch incompatibility with bin-NMU issue |
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| 16:58.32 | zykotick9 | Rikle_S: if you had 2 entries (ie. 2 graphics cards) you'd need to use bumblebee. |
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| 16:59.00 | Rikle_S | i have 1 entries |
| 16:59.02 | Rikle_S | entrie |
| 16:59.45 | zykotick9 | Rikle_S: right, so it doesn't apply to you. |
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| 17:01.36 | joar | engla: is there any solution to it? |
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| 17:01.52 | rryoumaa | if i shop for motherboards, will it matter whether they have that secure boot stuff? |
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| 17:07.45 | frikinz | Hi. In wheezy was it the init system used? |
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| 17:09.07 | engla | joar: it has been solved, the package must just migrate from unstable to testing. You could use the unstable packages |
| 17:09.24 | engla | frikinz: same as before |
| 17:09.55 | engla | frikinz: that said, wheezy will have systemd in the repositories |
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| 17:13.19 | frikinz | engla: ah I always mix up release name (I run sid myself..). I meant squeeze :) |
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| 17:13.37 | frikinz | engla: background: it looks like a script I've put in rcS never gets launched |
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| 17:14.11 | frikinz | normally its rcS and then rc2 right? |
| 17:14.26 | joar | engla: which one of the packages should I pull from unstable? |
| 17:15.01 | engla | the qtwebkit package |
| 17:15.06 | engla | for both arch |
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| 17:20.15 | joar | ok. |
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| 17:21.15 | BrixSat | Hello, is there any daemon with webinterface for network monitor? |
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| 17:23.33 | babilen | Rikle_S: Do you know which card you have? It looks as if it is a rather new one and it would help to know the model. Unfortunately I don't have time to talk you through this, but I would check on the NVIDIA README.txt which driver version you need. |
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| 17:24.01 | joar | BrixSat: munin does some network monitoring. |
| 17:24.21 | joar | BrixSat: example: http://linode02.wandborg.se/munin/wandborg.se/linode02.wandborg.se/index.html#network |
| 17:24.33 | babilen | Rikle_S: You might also have to use a newer kernel and Xorg -- I would personally recommend to just install wheezy. You can get images that support firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta3/ |
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| 17:25.44 | babilen | Rikle_S: If you'd rather like to upgrade your current installations follow the steps in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" -- The NVIDIA driver version in experimental is also *much* faster than the one in wheezy/sid and you might want to install that. |
| 17:25.49 | jeffrin | is anyone from debian install team here ? |
| 17:26.09 | babilen | jeffrin: What's the Debian install team? Are you looking for debian-installer developers? |
| 17:26.42 | babilen | jeffrin: You can also ask here, but you find those in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 17:27.06 | jeffrin | oh |
| 17:27.33 | babilen | !oftcmove |
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| 17:27.46 | babilen | !oftc move |
| 17:27.46 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 17:30.31 | BrixSat | joar: to basic, not show destination and source of connection |
| 17:30.41 | joar | BrixSat: what? |
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| 17:31.20 | BrixSat | the munin is to amateur for network monitor |
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| 17:34.24 | _KaszpiR_ | engla nope |
| 17:34.36 | _KaszpiR_ | had to manuwally remove files |
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| 17:36.10 | joar | BrixSat: try https://www.icinga.org/ |
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| 17:36.18 | _ramok | hi |
| 17:36.23 | _ramok | how can i remove the first line of a file? |
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| 17:37.30 | jparkton | I am trying to remove epiphany and it is saying it is not installed, but anytime I click a link it opens epiphany |
| 17:37.34 | jparkton | how do I remove |
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| 17:37.51 | BrixSat | joar: loking at it |
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| 17:38.55 | BrixSat | by the name.... open source monitoring and icinga vs nagios, i would tell it is more like an alerter when something is down than a analyser. |
| 17:38.57 | yvesD | apt-get purge epiphany? |
| 17:38.59 | mtn | jparkton, are you using synaptic? |
| 17:39.05 | pskosinski | _ramok: open in vim and press dd ^^ |
| 17:39.11 | jparkton | cli |
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| 17:39.25 | _ramok | it's sed -i '1d' filename |
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| 17:39.33 | mtn | jparkton, try synaptic |
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| 17:40.18 | jparkton | is that some spammy trick? disguise the pkg name and make it unremovable |
| 17:40.19 | jparkton | lol |
| 17:40.34 | BrixSat | joar: i need to know where my computer is spending traffic (to where and what), i think icinga is like nagios alerts me when something is down |
| 17:40.55 | mtn | jparkton, well, you do need to know the package name, for sure. :p |
| 17:42.44 | jparkton | and when I select epiphany it wants to remove gnome |
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| 17:44.20 | petn-randall | _ramok: open it with an editor of your choice, delete the first line. |
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| 17:44.48 | jparkton | if I select to remove epiphany-browser it wants to remove a lot of needed files and apps |
| 17:44.55 | jparkton | how can I remove this browser? |
| 17:45.02 | moty66 | during the installation, partman is taking so much time to format a 32gb compact flash memory (about 30 min) with swap and / root , is this normal?? |
| 17:45.07 | mtn | jparkton, why do you need to? |
| 17:45.17 | _ramok | petn-randall: it's quite a big file, like 1 gig |
| 17:45.23 | _ramok | sed did the job |
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| 17:45.45 | jparkton | mtn: because it is my computer, and I choose to not have this cruddy browser installed |
| 17:45.51 | petn-randall | _ramok: you won't get around rewriting the whole file, anyway. |
| 17:46.02 | jparkton | is there some socialist agenda between debian and epiphany? |
| 17:46.05 | mtn | ok, good luck |
| 17:46.06 | jparkton | lol |
| 17:46.17 | jparkton | oh |
| 17:46.21 | jparkton | apparantly so |
| 17:46.24 | petn-randall | jparkton: Then deinstall it. It will offer to deinstall all unused libraries. If you want to keep them anyway, mark them as manually installed. |
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| 17:46.40 | jparkton | petn-randall: not too simple to do in cli |
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| 17:47.18 | petn-randall | jparkton: It is! apt-get purge epiphany-browser |
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| 17:47.34 | cusco | hi I'm still looking in how to connect pptp client at startup, should I have a post-up command ? |
| 17:47.36 | petn-randall | jparkton: 'epiphany' is a game |
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| 17:48.00 | cusco | I added post up command with pon tunnel |
| 17:48.02 | cusco | it works |
| 17:48.03 | petn-randall | cusco: configure your interface in /etc/network/interfaces, mark it as 'auto' |
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| 17:48.37 | cusco | petn-randall: will it read /etc/ppp/options.pptp ? |
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| 17:48.41 | jparkton | petn-randall: Im sorry, I was using the name that displays in my menu |
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| 17:49.39 | petn-randall | cusco: It will basically call pon, but it's more configurable. Also then your system knows about those interfaces. |
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| 17:50.00 | cusco | but how does it know wich profile to connect? |
| 17:50.13 | jparkton | when using apt-get purge epiphany-browser it still wants to remove gnome and about 120 other packages |
| 17:50.31 | jparkton | why would the devs have epiphany-browser preinstalled? |
| 17:50.34 | jparkton | such a pita |
| 17:50.46 | cusco | iface inet ppp0 dhcp |
| 17:50.47 | cusco | ? |
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| 17:51.09 | mtn | jparkton, man aptitude or man apt-get or do some searching on manually vs automatic installed |
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| 17:51.49 | jparkton | mtn: why is that? |
| 17:51.58 | moty66 | I need help installing debina on flash memory drive |
| 17:52.05 | moty66 | the installer can't format it |
| 17:52.08 | mtn | jparkton, so you can learn how to solve your problem |
| 17:52.26 | moty66 | sometime the system hags after doing the partitions |
| 17:52.49 | moty66 | any idea? i have two partitions, swap and root |
| 17:52.53 | jparkton | the real problem is why would anyone include this browser preinstalled (however you want to call it) I did not personally apt-get this browser it came default |
| 17:52.53 | mtn | jparkton, I have done what you are trying to do, but don't remember how and that is what I would have to do to find out. |
| 17:53.06 | jparkton | meh |
| 17:53.09 | zykotick9 | jparkton: blame gnome |
| 17:53.10 | mtn | heh |
| 17:53.12 | jparkton | ill just break it |
| 17:53.28 | jparkton | yeah gnome is becoming a huge pita |
| 17:53.35 | jparkton | why is debian still allowing them? |
| 17:53.44 | mtn | zzzzzz |
| 17:53.46 | ManoftheSea | jparkton: I want to get rid of transmission, and use the remote trans-gui. |
| 17:53.52 | ManoftheSea | Can't do that without removing gnome either. |
| 17:53.59 | petn-randall | jparkton: jeez, 'gnome' is a meta-package. It depends on *all* gnome packages. It's not gonna remove your desktop. |
| 17:54.01 | jparkton | such stupidity |
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| 17:54.11 | jparkton | why would gnome be like that? |
| 17:54.19 | mtn | why ask why? |
| 17:54.20 | ManoftheSea | petn-randall: it will if all the other packages are Automatic. |
| 17:54.32 | jparkton | petn-randall: oh, well that makes sense |
| 17:54.32 | ManoftheSea | jparkton: because they believe in a default set. |
| 17:54.57 | qube | is it possible to install gnome 3.x versions for DE with debian squeeze 6.0 stable? |
| 17:54.57 | petn-randall | jparkton: make sure to have gnome-core installed, and every other package you'd like to keep, then deinstall epiphany-browser and 'gnome' |
| 17:55.09 | zykotick9 | qube: i wouldn't... |
| 17:55.11 | jparkton | gnome says "fine dont want one small .000003% of our software? We are going home and you cant have none of our tools" |
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| 17:55.31 | qube | zykotick9: what do you mean? |
| 17:56.01 | zykotick9 | qube: i wouldn't even try to use gnome3 on squeeze. i have, in the past tried, didn't work out too well. |
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| 17:56.27 | buenaventura | Hi, with 'apt-get source', I can download the sources of debian's kernel and it's config? |
| 17:56.27 | qube | okay then. |
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| 17:57.28 | jparkton | and it still shows epiphany browser in my menu |
| 17:57.31 | jparkton | sheesh this thing |
| 17:57.42 | jparkton | is never supporting gnome |
| 17:57.54 | buenaventura | s/I can/Can I/g |
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| 17:58.13 | Guest76469 | ciao |
| 17:58.14 | buenaventura | mmm, sorry for my english.. |
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| 17:58.36 | Guest76469 | list |
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| 18:01.00 | sc_ | lol |
| 18:01.04 | sc_ | ciao atuti |
| 18:01.43 | Guest76469 | come faccio cerco pes 2013ita xbox |
| 18:01.57 | Guest76469 | grazie |
| 18:02.03 | boudiccas | !it |
| 18:02.04 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:07.05 | fosap2 | Hi. Something is waking the hdd of my debian about every 20 seconds. I made /var/log and /tmp tmpfs. The access seems to be very short, iotop does not help. How to i find the anyoing programm? |
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| 18:07.26 | petn-randall | buenaventura: Have you tried it yet? |
| 18:07.34 | fosap2 | I tried laptop mode btw, it did not help, it seems to read something that is is not cached |
| 18:07.45 | boudiccas | fisainstall atop and run that, you may see whats happening there |
| 18:08.25 | boudiccas | fosap2: install atop and run that, you may see whats happening there |
| 18:08.36 | petn-randall | fosap2: I think the package laptop-mode-tools has a tool for finding things like that |
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| 18:08.57 | petn-randall | fosap2: lm-profiler |
| 18:09.57 | buenaventura | yes, but from a vm with no sufficient space in the filessytem, and it fails :(... |
| 18:10.36 | buenaventura | I'll try again, with a new vm |
| 18:11.01 | fosap2 | ok, i hope i'll know more in 5 minutes |
| 18:11.08 | fosap2 | thanks |
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| 18:13.27 | fosap2 | So far i seems there are only write accesses. |
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| 18:13.46 | fosap2 | I thought with a high writeback time these would be cached |
| 18:14.59 | nrs_ | does anyone here have any experience with 4K-sector advanced format drives? |
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| 18:16.40 | phox | Can anyone explain why the kernel package maintainer retards think it makes sense to have an unusable kernel image in tree? |
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| 18:17.03 | phox | My understanding is that this is actually intentional, somehow. |
| 18:17.23 | dondelelcaro | phox: what exactly are you talking about? |
| 18:17.36 | dondelelcaro | phox: and please stop calling people names; it's not helpful. |
| 18:17.43 | gnarface | phox: it must be usable for *someone* but their definition of use may not be the same as yours |
| 18:18.10 | phox | dondelelcaro: deliberately not having an installable kernel-headers package |
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| 18:18.21 | phox | dondelelcaro: which makes the image useless, which makes inclusion of the image in the package tree pointless |
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| 18:18.53 | phox | gnarface: it's not unstable. it actually can't be booted _directly due to the decisions of those maintaining the package tree_. |
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| 18:19.12 | dondelelcaro | phox: which kernel image are we talking about here? |
| 18:19.15 | phox | 3.6 |
| 18:19.56 | dondelelcaro | phox: it's in experimental. |
| 18:20.03 | fredb_ | Guys, I am looking at using the BeagleBone as the basis for a new hardware platform. Our current platform uses Debian Lenny with the 2.6.32 kernel. The BeagleBone only supports fairly recent kernels, see github.com/beagleboard/kernel so does anyone know if Lenny would work with these newer kernels? |
| 18:20.29 | dondelelcaro | fredb_: lenny is no longer supported with security updates. You should be updating to a newer release of Debian. |
| 18:20.43 | gnarface | phox: shame on you |
| 18:20.47 | engla | phox: You'll have to go back and check again |
| 18:20.56 | boudiccas | fredb_: lenny is out of support, its EOL, so you may not get much support here |
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| 18:21.03 | engla | phox: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/linux |
| 18:21.53 | fredb_ | @don yes we know Lenny is old and we do plan to upgrade to a newer dist. soon but we'd have to re-QA the whole software build |
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| 18:22.33 | gnarface | fredb_: you should just try it once |
| 18:22.34 | dondelelcaro | fredb_: well, you're going to have to re-qa it slightly, because newer kernels require a newer udev, but yes, it is possible to run newer kernels on lenny. |
| 18:22.36 | phox | dondelelcaro: so? so what? |
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| 18:22.52 | phox | dondelelcaro: so I'm supposed to roll my own kbuild stuff because somehow a stable kernel isn't stable because someone is on glue? |
| 18:22.55 | dondelelcaro | phox: not everything in experimental is working immediately. And as has already been pointed out to you, the headers packages are there. |
| 18:22.57 | phox | this is totally illogical. |
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| 18:23.09 | dondelelcaro | phox: feel free to return when you're feeling less confrontational. |
| 18:23.22 | fredb_ | @don thanks for the advice. I'll try using one of their latest kernels |
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| 18:24.22 | fosap2 | Ok, jbd2/sda1-8 seems to wake up the disk in 60 second intervalls. That does not make any sense for me. What is it flushing if no other programms are running? |
| 18:24.31 | cusco | having eth0 and ppp0 in interfaces, eth0 with allow hotplug, and ppp0 with auto |
| 18:24.36 | cusco | how do I make ppp0 connect after eth0 |
| 18:24.37 | cusco | ? |
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| 18:25.23 | boudiccas | !beaglebone |
| 18:25.29 | ogzy | i am getting Module::Build version 0.3601 required--this is only version 0.340201 error message when i try to install a module via cpan at squeeze, any solution? |
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| 18:26.43 | bitcycle | Hey all. I'm wondering if its possible to have a local route on a debian vm that routes foo.bar.com to localhost:8888. How would one go about doing that? |
| 18:28.02 | GNU\colossus | since IP doesn't know the concept of port numbers, no, you cannot do that by routing. |
| 18:28.08 | GNU\colossus | you can, however, do that with netfilter |
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| 18:28.45 | bitcycle | GNU\colossus: Do you happen to know of a good tutorial that outlines how to go about doing that? |
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| 18:28.58 | cusco | debian says: failed to bring up ppp0 while booting |
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| 18:29.27 | cusco | Configuring network interfaces...Cannot find device "ppp0" |
| 18:29.45 | GNU\colossus | bitcycle, nope, just google for "iptables port forwarding" or something like that |
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| 18:31.53 | grzeslaw | hello guys, I am wondering why I have no entry in rsyslog.conf for audit.log - is it normal in debian, and I need to create it manualy ? |
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| 18:35.20 | qube | to install debian alongside windows 7, do i need to make the disk area 'unallocated space' for debian installer to see while installing? i have 450gb approx and want to install debian on 300gb of it. |
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| 18:36.41 | gnarface | qube: probably |
| 18:36.41 | grzeslaw | qube: yes, or you could create manualy partitions ext* or other by yourself. |
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| 18:37.23 | qube | gnarface: are you sure the debian installer can see the unallocated space? if so, ok then. |
| 18:38.20 | gnarface | qube: i think you need to ask that question in a windows support channel |
| 18:38.50 | qube | i don't like them. |
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| 18:39.34 | gnarface | me either |
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| 18:40.37 | _ramok | hi, can i grep for exampl 10 rows from a found word? for example: i use for the term "postfix" in a file an from that found the next 5 lines should be outputted |
| 18:40.52 | cusco | -A5 |
| 18:40.54 | cusco | a for after |
| 18:40.57 | cusco | or -B5 |
| 18:40.59 | cusco | b for before |
| 18:41.09 | cusco | or -C5, 5 up and 5 down |
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| 18:42.18 | _ramok | cusco: was that an answer to my issue? :) |
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| 18:42.50 | julius__ | hi |
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| 18:43.29 | cusco | _ramok: yes |
| 18:43.40 | julius__ | whats the default debian way to only built the i386 kernel from the sources? my doc says: AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-FLAVOUR but binary-i386 for example doesnt work, whats expected here? |
| 18:44.23 | _ramok | cusco: how would the command look liek " grep *postfix* -A5 file ? |
| 18:44.33 | cusco | yes |
| 18:44.41 | cusco | grep 'postfix' -A5 log.txt |
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| 18:46.20 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 18:46.36 | Prior | hi. I am continuing having problems with my debian squeeze to connect tomy router, can anyone help me please? I am trying to figure this out since days now :/ |
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| 18:47.33 | Prior | both (router and server) are completly fresh installed, after installation of samba on the debian an approx. 12 minutes it again lost the networkconnection during a wget |
| 18:47.34 | _ramok | cusco: is it the same search if i just have a part of a term?? |
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| 18:48.16 | Prior | if I power off the machine AND unplug the power cable it worksfor a while but then - again loses connection |
| 18:48.27 | Prior | ifdown eth; ifup eth0 says something like: |
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| 18:48.59 | Prior | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 192.168.1.1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 intervalx |
| 18:49.03 | Prior | but struggles there |
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| 18:49.45 | Prior | the router is definitly on,working, i tried several network-cables and all other computers are working fine |
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| 18:50.37 | bluesm | What is the, tool to find out all connection from the system |
| 18:50.46 | bluesm | Say skype connection ip ? |
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| 18:51.14 | l1|0O8BS5 | ngrep or tcpflow maybe |
| 18:51.43 | solidus-river | i have a problem using stdlib for making debians out of python setup.py's |
| 18:52.00 | solidus-river | i think there is a bug with a package has multiple recursed config files |
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| 18:53.27 | bluesm | Thanks! |
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| 18:53.45 | bluesm | What does mean "x" in vboxusers:x:122: in /etc/group ? |
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| 18:54.43 | treffnixAT | bluesm: its the group password .. man group ;) |
| 18:56.07 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.27 | bluesm | "the (encrypted) group password. If this field is empty, no password is needed." |
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| 18:57.18 | treffnixAT | bluesm: typically shadow passwords are enabled, so /etc/gshadow superseeds |
| 18:57.40 | treffnixAT | bluesm: i agree that the man page does not mention the meaning of x |
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| 19:00.22 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.42 | j4jackj | bluesm x means see shadow for encrypted passwd |
| 19:00.55 | treffnixAT | bluesm: i'd expect x means there is no group password set |
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| 19:04.59 | bronaugh | hey; I seem to recall there's a tool you can point at a kernel source tree and it'll build a kernel The Debian Way, making packages, etc, that can be installed, and building a proper initrd etc. |
| 19:05.07 | bronaugh | am I right about this, and if so, what's the name of the tool? |
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| 19:05.53 | treffnixAT | bluesm: man 5 passwd seems to explain in detail, seems to be missing from the group(5) manpage |
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| 19:07.18 | bronaugh | ok, so make-kpkg configure; make-kpkg binary? |
| 19:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, not just at any source... at a debian kernel package |
| 19:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
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| 19:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bronaugh |
| 19:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, sorry :) |
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| 19:08.14 | bronaugh | CutMeOwnThroat: don't think so based on make-kpkg docs. |
| 19:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, make-kpkg |
| 19:08.16 | dpkg | i guess make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 19:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bronaugh, maybe... haven't used it for ages |
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| 19:09.03 | bronaugh | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, well, neither have I. debian kernels mostly do it for me. |
| 19:09.49 | bronaugh | but since the 3.6 kernel from experimental is broken (lacking kbuild-3.6, so we can't install kernel-headers, so we can't use our dkms module for zfs) I can't just pull that and use it trivially. |
| 19:09.53 | bronaugh | so... build-our-own time. |
| 19:09.55 | apm1 | is away: math and code seem like a pursuit for the esioteric brotherhood |
| 19:10.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, compiling everytime you would just upgrade is a drag |
| 19:10.33 | bronaugh | CutMeOwnThroat: preaching to the choir here. however, we need to test specific functionality with infiniband from the latest kernel. |
| 19:10.36 | bronaugh | so yeah. |
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| 19:10.59 | bronaugh | kinda stuck either a) using the experimental kernel, which we can't do because it's broken, or b) building own. |
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| 19:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember with horror spending hours selecting options for the kernel ~10 years ago... and then you'd compile it and it'd fail because you were able to choose incompatible options |
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| 19:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckily that is much less of a problem with the debian sources as you can start from that configuration and usually only have to change very few things |
| 19:12.10 | bronaugh | CutMeOwnThroat: lol, never had that happen, though I did build plenty of kernels. |
| 19:12.21 | bronaugh | I probably built half of the 2.5 kernels. |
| 19:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, suffice to say, I'll never forget "if you don't know what this is, choose <blablabla>" |
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| 19:13.22 | bronaugh | yup. |
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| 19:14.36 | Jonte | Hey, I'm trying to load an X keyboard layout for swedish. Shouldn't "setxkbmap se" work? I'm also trying "setxkbmap us", but I get the same error: "Error loading keyboard description". |
| 19:14.52 | bronaugh | yeah I'd expect it to work. |
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| 19:15.07 | bronaugh | so something's gotta be broken. try strace'ing setxkbmap us |
| 19:15.13 | bronaugh | see what files it tries to open. |
| 19:15.41 | bronaugh | then dpkg -S <file>, see if anything's providing it. if not, go to packages.debian.org, search contents of packages for the file. |
| 19:15.48 | bronaugh | install package. |
| 19:16.09 | bluesm | treffnixAT: What does mean 5 in "man 5 passwd" and "group(5)" ? |
| 19:16.40 | zykotick9 | bluesm: see "man man" |
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| 19:17.44 | PrinceAMD | when i run dpkg -l, there is "ii"/"rc" before the package name, what is the meaning of "ii" and "rc" |
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| 19:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jonte, do you have them installed at all? |
| 19:18.10 | zykotick9 | PrinceAMD: ii is installed, rc is resource configuration (config files present) |
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| 19:18.57 | PrinceAMD | thanks zykotick9 |
| 19:19.01 | Jonte | CutMeOwnThroat: I haven't installed them myself, I assumed they were there per default? Also, strace doesn't show anything useful. It reads some rules, and everything seems to succeed. |
| 19:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jonte, see what this looks like: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:19.51 | bronaugh | Jonte: so if you strace setxkbmap us > dump; grep "open" dump - you don't get anything failing to read? |
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| 19:21.14 | qube | wish me luck :) |
| 19:21.17 | qube | good evening .. |
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| 19:22.26 | bluesm | zykotick9: Could you give me a clue what is it the parameter (I mean this 5) what's the name. |
| 19:22.56 | zykotick9 | bluesm: man pages are divided into sections, the 5 refers to one of those sections... |
| 19:24.12 | zykotick9 | bluesm: from "man man" it appears 5 is "File formats and conventions eg /etc/passwd" |
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| 19:25.24 | Jonte | Yes, I do actually.. But it seems to find the same file under a different path. The file (/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg-C) isn't listed in dpkg -S either.. |
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| 19:25.53 | Jonte | CutMeOwnThroat: The US locale is checked there, I also checked the swedish locale. But this doesn't help.. |
| 19:26.18 | zykotick9 | bluesm: see the difference between "man passwd" and "man 5 passwd" the 5, deals with files |
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| 19:28.29 | Jonte | CutMeOwnThroat: Are the layouts in some package I need to install? How can I find out? |
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| 19:28.47 | haylo | bronaugh: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en this is the guide i use to compile the debian kernel. It does basically what you are explaining |
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| 19:29.30 | bronaugh | haylo: ok, thanks. |
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| 19:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jonte, mmh, ops, this was keyboard config, not locale |
| 19:29.44 | yonk | within an unstable chroot I have installed the package mediathekview, but whenever I try to run the application I get the standard run-detectors error one usually gets when running foreign code: "run-detectors: unable to find an interpreter for /usr/bin/mediathekview". Host and chroot's arch is both amd64. Any idea or do I need to post the schroot.conf? |
| 19:29.48 | ThunderTree | Hi all. Anyone able to suggest a good tool to create a custom respository while also being a mirror to download requested ones as a cache? |
| 19:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, keymap |
| 19:29.49 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 19:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, the canned memory of dpkg has is uncannily better than mine :P |
| 19:30.32 | yonk | CutMeOwnThroat: please whisper to dpkg with /msg dpkg |
| 19:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yonk, that would not fulfill the purpose of answering Jonte with dpkgs reply |
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| 19:31.35 | bluesm | zykotick9: Thank you very much! |
| 19:32.00 | yonk | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry; I meant telll him by "!tell <user> about <topic>" |
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| 19:32.30 | Jonte | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah, nice.. That looks very correct.. But still it doesn't work :) |
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| 19:32.47 | Jonte | Well.. I have to get some work done.. I will have to fix this some other way! |
| 19:32.56 | Jonte | Thanks a lot for the help however |
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| 19:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | yonk, while I could do that, I sometimes prefer to have the factoids out in the open... and if that becomes a longer discussion, we could move it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:40.23 | nitrohax | test |
| 19:40.34 | nitrohax | how does one change the password for root? |
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| 19:40.47 | nitrohax | exit |
| 19:40.51 | zykotick9 | nitrohax: log in as root and run passwd |
| 19:41.02 | nitrohax | thank you. |
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| 19:44.10 | jimcooncat | ThunderTree: I've never seen those done together, and it makes sense to keep them separate. |
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| 19:45.21 | jhutchins_wk | jimcooncat: Oh, I have. The primary purpose is usually the local mirror, plus you add a custome repo for in-house packages or whatever. |
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| 19:46.39 | jhutchins_wk | Jim we do that with RH here in a very clumsy way. |
| 19:46.42 | jimcooncat | jhutchins_wk: I've played with a bunch of these, and like ThunderTree, would be interested in your opinion (and others here) of what works well |
| 19:46.57 | jhutchins_wk | RH5 & 6 + VMWare + Dell OpenMange. |
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| 19:47.27 | jhutchins_wk | er, OpenManage. |
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| 19:48.14 | jimcooncat | I've used approx and apt-cacher before, was kind of disappointed. Ubuntu had a custom squid setup, but I don't believe they pushed it up into debian. |
| 19:49.14 | gnarface | apt-cacher-ng was really easy and seems fast |
| 19:49.28 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 19:51.43 | bluesm | If I have pawel:$6$HUOHtg5I$cxtEkiNl8iziztt0/EAEEYq3lc8rmIWvEERDJdgQwh20SX3XrCiA5ruPfI8A90xaHUPw2ysAMW94EDvdByIdv.:15606:0:99999:7::: |
| 19:51.54 | bluesm | (I've changed some letters) |
| 19:51.54 | jimcooncat | gnarface: apt-cacher-ng was what I was going to put on this network, but I saw that squid-deb-proxy which intrigued me. Just found the debian bug report on it, it was requested to package but that's as far as it got. |
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| 19:52.23 | bluesm | What is the salt part (not hashed) and what is the hash part (with salt) |
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| 19:52.35 | ThunderTree | jimcooncat: jhutchins_wk: is right - its kinda what im looking for. |
| 19:52.39 | jimcooncat | As far as the local repository part, I use a trivial repository setup, but wanted something more robust (but not confusing). |
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| 19:53.07 | ThunderTree | there seems a few options - but not sure what serves my purpose best. |
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| 19:53.38 | ThunderTree | I host a lot of debian machines, and a few packages of my own. So would be good to incorporate the two |
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| 19:55.03 | bluesm | ? |
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| 20:01.45 | simonlnu | bluesm: salt is the second one, hashed pw is the third. see the $ ? those are where it "breaks". |
| 20:01.47 | ThunderTree | jimcooncat: Must say - apt-cacher-ng looks very simple. |
| 20:02.36 | simonlnu | bluesm: the first one is the type of hash, which happens to be SHA1 IIRC |
| 20:03.37 | jimcooncat | ThunderTree: only thing I found lacking was that there was no invisible proxy -- you do have to seed proxy information in an install. But even that's not very difficult nowadays |
| 20:04.23 | bluesm | simonlnu: It's sha512 |
| 20:05.11 | bluesm | simonlnu: Say my password is "MyPassword" |
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| 20:05.52 | bluesm | So I should get this hash by hashing sha512 -> "HUOHtg5IMyPassword" ? |
| 20:06.09 | ThunderTree | jimcooncat: I'll give it a try - thankyou. |
| 20:06.26 | simonlnu | something like that yeh ;) |
| 20:06.37 | simonlnu | is a little tired, memory suffering |
| 20:06.39 | ThunderTree | jimcooncat: Can i also add my own packages? |
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| 20:07.29 | jimcooncat | ThunderTree: I don't believe you can. Just set up a simple repository, and then tell apt-cacher-ng about it. |
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| 20:08.21 | ThunderTree | Cool. Thanks for that. |
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| 20:11.29 | porton | In Gnome3 how to make start Skype after each login? |
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| 20:12.56 | porton | ... Or more generally how to start an app after each login? |
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| 20:16.58 | Synthead | what's the best way to install debian to a drive attached to a debian server? |
| 20:17.11 | simonlnu | the question is, why would you want to? i can think of very few more unpleasant things to greet me on login to my x session. |
| 20:17.26 | wdouglass | Synthead: debootstrap? |
| 20:17.38 | wdouglass | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 20:17.40 | simonlnu | porton: ^^^^. make your DE save your session, or include it in a startup |
| 20:18.02 | Synthead | wdouglass: excellent! that's exactly what I need; thanks! |
| 20:18.05 | porton | simonlnu: How? |
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| 20:18.56 | wdouglass | Synthead: sure! |
| 20:20.18 | jirka_on_d | hello all, could somebody give me recommendation where to ask when I've got problems with connecting bluetooth device as /dev/ttyUSB* please? (I'm running debian testing with kernel 3.3.1) |
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| 20:22.41 | simonlnu | porton: to make it start - you'd make a .desktop file for it. dunno if that pos provides one or not, but you can try finding it, like "applicationame.desktop" or similar. put that in ~/.local/share/applications/ . dunno if gnome3 supports that still. they removed a lot of stuff.... at worst, you could insert it into your ~/.xsession (if you have one). |
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| 20:24.28 | jparkton | where is my jvm installed on deb? |
| 20:24.35 | abrotman | depends which one you installed |
| 20:24.39 | jparkton | I keep getting an error when trying to install i2p |
| 20:24.52 | jparkton | there isnt one default? |
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| 20:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | ThunderTree: I'm not sure about apt, but for RPM you can add packages and run their create_repository tool and it adds them to the RH packages already cached. They might not be in some of the meta-information files like package groups and such. |
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| 20:36.20 | yonk | jhutchins_wk: glad you're deeper into RPM than apt ;) |
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| 20:38.58 | jparkton | to install jvm on my machine do I need this one? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javasebusiness/downloads/java-archive-downloads-jvm-419420.html |
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| 20:39.54 | jhutchins_wk | yonk: All my own stuff is Debian now, but I've got probably ten more years experience with RH & Mandriva. |
| 20:40.29 | tremon | jparkton: I'd recommend using default-jre |
| 20:40.43 | abrotman | jparkton: debian has java already |
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| 20:40.51 | jparkton | is there a way to install it from apt? |
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| 20:41.20 | tremon | apt-get install default-jre would be my guess |
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| 20:41.44 | abrotman | !tell jparkton about install java |
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| 20:42.45 | jparkton | E: Unable to locate package default-jre-headerless |
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| 20:43.47 | LtL | jparkton: this may be what you want, sun-java6-jre |
| 20:44.20 | yonk | why don't you recommend openjdk ? |
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| 20:48.42 | Dan39 | is there an easy to to block network traffic from a specific process name or pid? |
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| 20:49.59 | tremon | Dan39: the netfilter "owner" match, iirc. Not sure if it can match on process name, but it can match on user |
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| 20:51.42 | jparkton | Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK. |
| 20:51.42 | jparkton | It is currently set to "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.26/jre" |
| 20:52.01 | jparkton | ok so it installed but when I try to export to the jvm it gives me that error |
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| 20:56.04 | psiklops | Hi. I have 2 nVidia Cards. 1=Onboard (C51 [GeForce 6150 LE]) and the other PCI-E: (G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS]) |
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| 20:56.36 | psiklops | i am trying to get both reconized at the same time: lspci | grep VGA |
| 20:56.52 | psiklops | but only the PCI-E is reconized |
| 20:57.15 | psiklops | eventhough i set to use Onboard in BIOS |
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| 20:57.28 | psiklops | and the Onboard doesnt show in lspci |
| 20:57.41 | psiklops | but if i take out the PCI-E card |
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| 20:57.53 | psiklops | the Onboard runs fine |
| 20:58.31 | psiklops | what is the catch to getting them 2 reconize at the same time ? |
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| 21:01.21 | psiklops | when i replace the PCI-E card after shutdown reboot again, the Onboard Card is the only one reconized in lspci |
| 21:01.30 | psiklops | and so n and so on |
| 21:01.37 | psiklops | :-/ |
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| 21:05.47 | Syburg | Hello together, did anyone of you ever tried to set up an dedicated openarenaserver with the default package "openarena-server" from the debian repository? |
| 21:06.02 | abrotman | have you?! |
| 21:06.48 | gnarface | Syburg: openarena blows. use ioquake3 |
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| 21:07.49 | abrotman | helpful .. |
| 21:07.55 | Syburg | yes i did, sorry for the metaquestion, my problem is, i cant get it to set dedicated to "2", so it sends heartbeats to the masterserver. the guys from #openarena said its only possible throught a command line argument. but openarena-server is a deamon. how can i set parameters for that? |
| 21:09.09 | abrotman | Syburg: check the init script .. is there a $DAEMON_OPTS or osmething ? |
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| 21:09.28 | abrotman | doesn't even know what openarena is .. |
| 21:09.28 | Syburg | abrotman: wait a sec |
| 21:09.41 | Syburg | its a quake 3 arena clone |
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| 21:09.53 | Syburg | gnarface: and that would be more smooth to set up? |
| 21:10.31 | abrotman | never played quake3 .. |
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| 21:11.04 | Synthead | can I have an ext4 rootfs on debian 6? |
| 21:11.06 | Syburg | abrotman: if i get the server running you can have the access password and play a round or two with me... :D |
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| 21:11.32 | Syburg | it does have DAEMON_OPTS in the init script |
| 21:11.44 | abrotman | Syburg: seems like the place to try your config option |
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| 21:12.29 | Syburg | abrotman: where can i set it permaently? :) |
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| 21:14.07 | abrotman | Syburg: in the script, where does it read those values from ? |
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| 21:15.23 | Synthead | I can't seem to mount ext4 in debian 6: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' why is this? |
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| 21:17.55 | Syburg | abrotman: i think i can edit the script, it takes all the variables from the headser section, but i think thats not a clean solution is it? |
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| 21:19.41 | abrotman | Synthead: you can, ti's a conf file |
| 21:19.43 | jhutchins_wk | Synthead: Which release? Which kernel? How did you install? |
| 21:19.57 | abrotman | bah, wrong person |
| 21:20.09 | abrotman | Syburg: you can, it's a conf file .. paste the whole init script in a pastebin |
| 21:20.17 | abrotman | Synthead: what's uname -r ? |
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| 21:20.30 | Synthead | abrotman: 2.6.21.7-2.fc8xen |
| 21:20.39 | abrotman | taht's fedora |
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| 21:20.42 | abrotman | and old |
| 21:20.42 | jhutchins_wk | Well, there's your problem. |
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| 21:21.09 | Synthead | abramart: hm :/ |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | abrotman ... |
| 21:21.34 | abrotman | wonders when abramart will get tired of that and change his nick :) |
| 21:21.40 | engla | abramart: haha |
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| 21:22.17 | Syburg | abrotman: this is it: http://pastebin.com/10p1kd9u |
| 21:25.11 | simonlnu | abrotman: hehe |
| 21:25.33 | simonlnu | engla: =;) |
| 21:25.53 | simonlnu | ROFL |
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| 21:32.15 | cheasee | hi |
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| 21:33.29 | ThunderTree | jhutchins_wk: Thanks. Im gonna set up reprepro for now for the stuff i have, and then will look to append a mirror separately if i need to. |
| 21:33.33 | cheasee | how/where do i have to set hosts_treat_as_local in a typical debian/testing exim4 configuration? i tried in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf but that didnt work, also tried "dc_hosts_treat_as_local"... |
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| 21:34.34 | Syburg | abrotman: im close, i defined the variable DAEMON-OPTS so far. The option is "+set dedicated 2". ps w -A shows the only option given is "+set"... do i net to add escaped quotation marks? |
| 21:34.53 | simonlnu | ack-grep -a hosts_treat /etc/exim4/conf.d/ |
| 21:34.58 | Cyclohexane | Is there an option in ls that says what each column is? |
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| 21:35.51 | simonlnu | no. look it up. |
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| 21:44.40 | abrotman | Syburg: did you restart the app ? |
| 21:45.12 | Syburg | abrotman: yes... i already tried the escaped quotation marks also... |
| 21:45.22 | basket | trying to fix this error with my (old) logitech usb cam. it works without any modifications but suffers from going "too dark" after about 10-15 seconds. the issue doesn't happen when using cheese or mplayer. so, i am trying to load the v4l2convert.so as many people online are suggesting. this is the error i receive: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 21:47.56 | yonk | Logitech has deliberately sabotaged its hardware for years. That's why their stuff scraps so fast. Example: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1543143 |
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| 21:48.40 | basket | yonk, the camera will work well. i just need to get it to load that driver when starting the jitsi program :) |
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| 21:49.31 | basket | i can't seem to find the v4l2convert.so file when manually searching and 'whereis' and 'which' return no results. i am starting to believe it is not on my system. even after installing v4l-utils |
| 21:49.36 | yonk | basket: I just hope to have achieved some anti-advertisement |
| 21:49.41 | yonk | ;) |
| 21:49.47 | basket | yonk ;) |
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| 21:50.25 | basket | on the other hand, turtle beach makes a great headset and has superb customer service ;) |
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| 21:50.30 | basket | :P |
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| 21:50.45 | guardian | hi |
| 21:50.55 | guardian | when doing ssh -f -N, when is the connection closed? |
| 21:51.10 | basket | when you type 'exit'. am i correct? |
| 21:52.09 | talexb | When the bits get stale? |
| 21:52.19 | yonk | guardian: Ctrl + D should also work |
| 21:52.38 | basket | guardian what do i win for the first, correct answer? :P |
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| 21:53.03 | guardian | I mean I learnt at some point I can tunnel with ssh -f -N host.com -L:xxx:anotherhost:yyy |
| 21:53.12 | guardian | but I'm wondering for how long is the tunnel kept? |
| 21:53.20 | guardian | reading mans without much success so far :/ |
| 21:53.32 | talexb | guardian, I think you got an answer .. until you close it. |
| 21:53.53 | talexb | Or are you wondergin about a timeout? |
| 21:53.59 | guardian | when I close what? -f -N doesn't open a login shell on the other end |
| 21:54.07 | basket | guardian i think timeout is determined by the host |
| 21:54.13 | guardian | it's TCP timeout? |
| 21:54.22 | jimcooncat | There is a TCPKeepAlive option |
| 21:54.23 | guardian | or sshd timeout on the other end? |
| 21:54.36 | basket | guardian if you are trying to keep it active, there are ways to do that :) |
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| 21:54.45 | hanasaki | I installed a package built by hand . how do I keep apt-get update from replacing the package when there is an apt-get dist-upgrade ? ie: lock it |
| 21:54.48 | talexb | I please ignorance .. don't use -N option at all. |
| 21:54.50 | basket | guardian are you needing a vpn? |
| 21:55.03 | talexb | Er, I *plead* ignorance. Phew. |
| 21:55.15 | guardian | well no I'm ok :) I'm happily opening tunnels and that's fine |
| 21:55.18 | basket | hanasaki, i don't believe apt-get will update any manually built packages... |
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| 21:55.40 | hanasaki | basket: sorry its "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:55.55 | guardian | I was just wondering, when I do ssh user@example.com -L8080:192.168.1.1:80 |
| 21:55.56 | basket | guardian i was only going to make a recommendation ;) not sell you one :P |
| 21:56.02 | guardian | but then connect nothing on localhost:8080 |
| 21:56.06 | guardian | for how long does the tunnel stay |
| 21:56.12 | guardian | that's my question |
| 21:56.21 | basket | guardian until you close/exit it... |
| 21:56.49 | basket | hanasaki i don't believe anything will update any manually built packages. |
| 21:57.03 | guardian | at that point I'm lost. when I do ssh user@example.com -L8080:192.168.1.1:80 then I'm logged into example.com and the tunnel stays as long as I keep the terminal opened |
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| 21:57.10 | Syburg | abrotman: are you still there? |
| 21:57.12 | basket | hanasaki i believe you must manually update them unless they were installed using apt-get |
| 21:57.13 | guardian | but with -f -N it goes in background, and executes no command |
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| 21:57.27 | guardian | so how do I close/exit it? |
| 21:57.32 | hanasaki | basket: seems it is ... installed a build of squid with ssl support built in as a .deb ... the upgrade replaced it with the repository downlaod |
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| 21:57.58 | basket | guardian i guess that's what talexb was suggesting to not use -N |
| 21:58.28 | guardian | so what's better? |
| 21:58.32 | guardian | -f -C sleep 10? |
| 21:58.51 | basket | hanasaki when you install a .deb package it is automatically updated as it is added to your repository, etc... |
| 21:59.40 | basket | guardian i believe more information about what you are attempting to do with the ssh will lend more to the solution. at this point i believe we are too blind to what you are attempting to accomplish |
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| 22:00.03 | hanasaki | basket: exactly - the downlaod and build produced a .deb installed locally "dpkg -I ...." I do not want the dist-upgrade to replace it with the repository version without --enable-ssl flag I did locally |
| 22:00.48 | basket | hanasaki there is a command to exclude it from any upgrades. i don't have the command memorized :\ |
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| 22:01.05 | hanasaki | basket: thanks.. I looked online however did not find it |
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| 22:01.37 | basket | hanasaki type 'linux update all but one program' or something similar to that. it should get you started :) |
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| 22:03.42 | guardian | basket: really I got my answer I guess. here is a typical use case though: "-f -N" keeps ssh opened in the background until I kill it. while "-f -C sleep 10" gives me 10 seconds to connect through the tunnel (like with remote desktop) and after 10 seconds if no connection has been made through the tunnel then ssh exits. or ssh exists when I finally close remote desktop client |
| 22:03.49 | guardian | thx for the answers |
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| 22:05.13 | hdx | what's the name for firefox in debian now? |
| 22:05.17 | hanasaki | basket: "echo "squid3-dbg hold" | dpkg --set-selections" |
| 22:05.40 | Syburg | hdx: iceweasel |
| 22:05.41 | basket | hanasaki :D |
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| 22:05.54 | hdx | thought so, it's version 10 though in sid |
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| 22:06.07 | basket | iceweasel uses firefox plugins without issue :D |
| 22:06.07 | hdx | does it no longer match firefox release versioning ? |
| 22:06.19 | Syburg | hdx: 10 is a ESR release |
| 22:06.40 | Syburg | hdx: which means it gets supported longer and fits better to debians philisophy |
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| 22:07.22 | hdx | i see |
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| 22:07.26 | hdx | thanks |
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| 22:08.19 | Syburg | hdx: you can add the repository of the firefox developers for the laters versions, follow this guide http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:08.55 | hdx | ok thanks |
| 22:09.04 | OryHara | hi guys, I've got raspberry pi running on ubuntu through qemi and vnc, but I can't get my pi to connect to the internet and thus -- no apt-get, how can I get it connected to the internet? |
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| 22:09.06 | Syburg | no problem |
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| 22:09.37 | sney | OryHara: ask in #ubuntu |
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| 22:10.09 | Syburg | OryHara: i recommend installing raspian on your device, its optimized for the raspberry pi |
| 22:10.17 | brotherSand | Howdy |
| 22:10.19 | sney | or that |
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| 22:10.43 | OryHara | Syburg, I don't have a raspberry pi yet, that's why I'm testing with qemo -- I need to test some stuff before I know whether or not the Pi will actually be of use :/ |
| 22:10.49 | jimcooncat | brotherSand: 1309 Debian users say Howdy back |
| 22:11.11 | sney | OryHara: in any case, ubuntu isn't supported in #debian |
| 22:11.15 | aezx | ^ |
| 22:11.37 | brotherSand | hehe |
| 22:11.49 | Syburg | OryHara: what do you want to do with it, i already own one and try to get openarena-server running, maybe i can answer your question |
| 22:11.53 | OryHara | sney, I'm pretty sure the raspberry pi is running debian |
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| 22:12.22 | sney | OryHara: <OryHara> hi guys, I've got raspberry pi running on ubuntu |
| 22:12.46 | OryHara | yes sney, the ubuntu is the host os that is virtualizing the raspberry pi |
| 22:13.04 | OryHara | well Syburg, it's not really a question, I plan on writing a working script for it and I wanted to test it first |
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| 22:13.14 | brotherSand | So, I ran into a little issue. I'm installing debian to a Dell Precision T3500. The video card is HDMI only. The install went fine, and I get the grub boot menu, but as soon as it goes past that the screen goes dark. I know it's running I just cannot see anything. |
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| 22:13.33 | brotherSand | so, how do I get the IP info from the Grub menu? |
| 22:13.45 | sney | OryHara: if it really is running debian, then you need to say so, but just saying you have a raspberry pi doesn't imply debian, since it's just hardware that can run any armv6 OS. anyway, you probably have a routing problem, which may be the fault of your host or your guest OS. |
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| 22:13.50 | brotherSand | because then I could ssh in at least |
| 22:13.58 | Syburg | OryHara: why shouldnt it work? |
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| 22:14.59 | OryHara | Syburg: it's a good question, it probably will. But if it can go wrong, it probably will! |
| 22:15.08 | rainfyre | brotherSand: if you're sure it's hooked up to your network, you can run netdiscover to find out what the local ip is |
| 22:16.00 | brotherSand | rainfyre: how do I run netdiscover? From the grub command line that is an unknown command. |
| 22:16.34 | rainfyre | brotherSand: from a different computer on your network |
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| 22:17.01 | rainfyre | brotherSand: once you've booted up the one that goes black |
| 22:17.06 | Syburg | OryHara: i don't know how it is in your country but in mine you can send back things you bought online two weeks after arrival, so maybe you can try it this way |
| 22:17.08 | rainfyre | brotherSand: is it wireless or wired? |
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| 22:17.24 | brotherSand | wired |
| 22:17.31 | OryHara | Syburg: it is definitely not like that in my country |
| 22:17.37 | rainfyre | brotherSand: run netdiscover from the one that you're using to ssh in from |
| 22:17.43 | brotherSand | I mean there are hundreds of machines up and running. I won't know which one is mine. |
| 22:17.59 | OryHara | and the markup is insane, something like $50 |
| 22:18.12 | OryHara | if you're lucky |
| 22:18.12 | brotherSand | I don't know what the IP of my system is, and as soon as it boots the screen goes dark because there is no HDMI support |
| 22:18.24 | rainfyre | brotherSand: gotcha |
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| 22:19.29 | rainfyre | brotherSand: I don't know what to tell you, keep asking, someone here with more experience than me will undoubtedly help you |
| 22:19.32 | Syburg | brotherSand: if you have access to the dhcp server look at the matching mac-address |
| 22:19.44 | rainfyre | there you go |
| 22:20.10 | Syburg | OryHara: too bad, but the raspberry is nice ;) just buy it and do something funny with it :P |
| 22:20.19 | marcm | Is anyone here using Wheezy in production on a server? |
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| 22:20.36 | brotherSand | Syburg, yeah I don't really have that level of access |
| 22:20.45 | brotherSand | no way to get ip info from grub then? |
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| 22:21.26 | JimmyGulp | brotherSand: If the RPi doens't detect a proper HDMI connection on boot, it'll use the composite video out (yellow plug) instead, why not boot using that instead? |
| 22:21.37 | basket | anyone have experience with jitsi and loading video codecs? |
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| 22:21.50 | brotherSand | JimmyGulp, because there is none. |
| 22:22.02 | brotherSand | The machine _only_ has HDMI ports |
| 22:22.10 | basket | i'm getting this error: 'ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l2convert.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.' and don't know why |
| 22:22.10 | Syburg | brotherSand: i don't know so much about grub, but i don't think it already has a full blown ip stack with ssh. Linux does that, not grub |
| 22:22.11 | brotherSand | no VGA, no DVI |
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| 22:22.38 | JimmyGulp | brotherSand: ah, sorry, didn't see that, must have scrolled past it :( |
| 22:22.41 | brotherSand | Syburg: That was sort of my fear. Thanks. |
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| 22:23.44 | brotherSand | JimmyGulp: no sweat. Yeah, it's a real pain. The install went fine. Everything was visible during install. But even if I instruct it to go to runlevel 3 the screen still goes dark. |
| 22:23.51 | Syburg | brotherSand: another thing, if linux is configured to use dhcp. get yourself a laptop, install a dhcp server for the lan interface connect the two machines directly. do your actions and when you're done get it in the real network |
| 22:24.07 | Syburg | is that a solution? |
| 22:24.26 | brotherSand | I know the system boots fine because I can "Ctrl-Alt-F1" and "Ctrl-Alt-Del" to reboot. |
| 22:24.30 | JimmyGulp | brotherSand: assuming you're booting linux of some sort, the dhcp client should request the address it had before, a tcp dump might show that up |
| 22:24.32 | brotherSand | Hmmm, maybe. |
| 22:25.19 | rainfyre | brotherSand: what do you get with ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 22:25.24 | Syburg | brotherSand: another thing, you can use serial console, if it has a serial port, with a "null-modem-cable" this is a thing you can tell the kernel via grub. |
| 22:26.18 | Syburg | has the charme that you can configure the machine in the real network that it will be in after you're done |
| 22:26.50 | simonlnu | basket: try /usr/lib/libv4l/ - there is no /usr/lib32/ |
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| 22:27.48 | brotherSand | rainfyre, ctrl-alt-f1 switches to one of the consoles. I can't see anything then either, but when that is up ctrl-alt-del will reboot. Otherwise it has no effect. |
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| 22:28.11 | brotherSand | Syburg, it does have a serial port. I'll see if I can find a cable like that. |
| 22:28.32 | basket | simonlnu 'ls /usr/lib32/libv4l' returns: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l2convert.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 22:28.32 | basket | ov511-decomp ov518-decomp v4l1compat.so v4l2convert.so |
| 22:28.52 | brotherSand | Anyone know what I have to do to get it to support HDMI video? |
| 22:29.03 | simonlnu | ffs. did you not read what i said? |
| 22:29.14 | brotherSand | I'm assuming a module |
| 22:29.25 | simonlnu | brotherSand: not you, sorry |
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| 22:29.54 | basket | simonlnu i am running 64bit and no codecs exist in the folder you are speaking of. i am not here to be made a fool |
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| 22:30.26 | brotherSand | simonlnu, hehe, didn't think you were talking to me. |
| 22:30.33 | simonlnu | basket: there. is. no. /usr/lib32. |
| 22:30.35 | basket | simonlnu i have done much research before resorting to asking here. this is why i know that the folder you speak of doesn't exist. |
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| 22:31.03 | basket | simonlnu are you retarded or are you on 32bit system? |
| 22:31.43 | basket | simonlnu there. is. /usr/lib32 |
| 22:31.54 | simonlnu | name calling won't get you anywhere. *plonk* HAND |
| 22:31.56 | Syburg | brotherSand: before you worry about this, i would work on the first problem of accessing the machine. Im sorry i have to go to bed now. Good luck :) |
| 22:31.57 | basket | now i am wasting time trying to prove a moot point |
| 22:32.11 | brotherSand | Thanks Syburg |
| 22:32.54 | Syburg | abrotman: thank you for your help, good night |
| 22:33.41 | basket | simonlnu i am concerned. so i asked. i need an explanation as to why you insist that something doesn't exist when in fact, it does exist. i have explained as to why you may not think it exists, however you did not state whether you use 32 bit and continue to claim that it doesn't exist. there is no other way to explain your actions... this is why i ask. :) |
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| 22:35.28 | basket | simonlnu i appreciate your attempt to lead me in the right direction. however, providing information that is not correct or misleading has only taken up 10 more minutes of my time ;) |
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| 22:37.10 | streuner_ | you treat people without respect, even now you didnt realise what you did wrong... |
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| 22:38.47 | simonlnu | basket: i can readily admit i made a mistake if i did, but calling people names is not only pointless, but childish. get off your high horse. |
| 22:39.08 | simonlnu | </ot> |
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| 22:40.02 | Xaapyks | hi! |
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| 22:40.12 | Xaapyks | any user os backup-manager here? |
| 22:40.16 | Xaapyks | *of |
| 22:40.43 | basket | simonlnu i haven't called you any names. i simply asked a question. sorry if you took offense to my question |
| 22:41.43 | KsM | 23:31.03 < basket> simonlnu are you retarded or are you on 32bit system? |
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| 22:43.23 | abrotman | he left! |
| 22:43.32 | streuner_ | good |
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| 22:46.22 | abrotman | not that one |
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| 22:52.09 | keith4_ | simonlnu: there is if you install lib32v4l-0 ;-) |
| 22:52.35 | simonlnu | well see, i did not know that. thank you clarifying. |
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| 22:53.25 | keith4_ | simonlnu: I don't think you're a retard, though, fwiw |
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| 22:55.21 | simonlnu | thanks. i may act that way sometimes (but often on purpose for giggles). :P |
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| 22:56.49 | keith4_ | he must have put something like "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l2convert.so" in his bashrc or something weird, though. probably in an attempt to get skype working |
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| 23:00.50 | simonlnu | i'd just make a wrapper script |
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| 23:02.04 | g0to | hello! |
| 23:03.08 | g0to | I'm trying to configure a new device in fstab with no luck until now |
| 23:03.27 | streuner_ | what kind of device? |
| 23:03.29 | g0to | this is the output of 'mount -a' -> http://pastebin.ca/2253266 |
| 23:03.44 | g0to | streuner_, it is a USB flash drive |
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| 23:04.24 | streuner_ | g0to: does cat /proc/partitions show it? |
| 23:04.57 | g0to | streuner_, yes. I can see it |
| 23:05.09 | g0to | sda and sda1 are listed |
| 23:05.24 | streuner_ | g0to: well, its easy to mount it then, to be fair, i use not automount... |
| 23:05.50 | g0to | streuner_, here is my fstab file -> http://pastebin.ca/2253267 |
| 23:06.28 | g0to | streuner_, but I need the drive to be mounted at boot time |
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| 23:07.36 | streuner_ | streuner_> g0to: well, its easy to mount it then, to be fair, i use not automount... |
| 23:07.53 | streuner_ | what didnt you unterstand? |
| 23:08.26 | streuner_ | g0to: there are ways to use automount in Linux, but i dont trust them |
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| 23:09.06 | g0to | streuner_, so, what's your suggestion to get it mounted at boot time? |
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| 23:09.16 | g0to | sorry, but I'm not getting it |
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| 23:09.33 | streuner_ | g0to: sure :-/, maybe an udev rule |
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| 23:10.20 | streuner_ | g0to: if its always stick into the USB port, its easy then |
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| 23:10.58 | g0to | streuner_, yeah, it will. It is a fixed external storage |
| 23:11.05 | simonlnu | g0to: for an usb device like that, you can use the UUID or the USB ID + udev |
| 23:11.17 | simonlnu | uuid of the partition i meant |
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| 23:13.21 | g0to | simonlnu, so, whose the UUID 'blkid' returns? |
| 23:14.09 | simonlnu | g0to: you mean whatver blkid returns for the relvant partition? (if so,) yes |
| 23:14.13 | g0to | I just changed the first column, using LABEL instead of UUID and it worked :S |
| 23:14.15 | simonlnu | whatever* |
| 23:14.29 | simonlnu | be careful with LABEL |
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| 23:14.50 | simonlnu | the LABEL thing will work if the usb thingy has one ;p |
| 23:14.51 | g0to | simonlnu, I see it could be a security hole |
| 23:15.10 | simonlnu | e.g., or just plain error-prone |
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| 23:16.50 | g0to | what's your suggestion to obtain the USB UUID, not the partition's? |
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| 23:17.55 | simonlnu | usb id > lsusb ; *not* an uuid at all. similar to pci ids |
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| 23:21.19 | g0to | ok, I just spotted the problem |
| 23:21.36 | g0to | from the fstab man -> "Note that mount(8) uses UUIDs as strings. The string representation of the UUID should be based on lower case characters." |
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| 23:22.05 | future28 | Hey all. I have done 2 kernel updates and now when I boot, I have 6 options; each kernel version and its recovery mode. Should I delete the other versions or is it fine to leave them? How much room are they taking up? |
| 23:22.20 | g0to | I lower cased the letter characters of the UUID because of that |
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| 23:23.13 | g0to | and they have to be the same way 'blkid' lists them |
| 23:23.20 | g0to | lesson learned |
| 23:23.25 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 23:23.40 | simonlnu | uuids have a certain format too |
| 23:24.12 | simonlnu | run uuidgen a few times |
| 23:24.46 | simonlnu | a nradom uuid always has the thrid group's first alnum as 4 |
| 23:24.52 | simonlnu | a random* |
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| 23:28.15 | simonlnu | future28: you may want to remove the oldest one, but do keep one just in case your "usual" one breaks |
| 23:28.34 | future28 | Can you give me a quick rundown on how to remove them? |
| 23:28.56 | abrotman | man aptitude |
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| 23:36.35 | future28 | Done, thanks. They take up a lot less room than I expected1 |
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| 23:36.48 | simonlnu | nods |
| 23:37.24 | simonlnu | it's after it's done building all that it takes up a lot of room ;) |
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| 23:42.22 | yvesD | isnt it possible to rename mail-directory in claws? |
| 23:42.32 | yvesD | i read everything i could find now |
| 23:42.51 | yvesD | but this is not mentioned anywhere |
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| 23:43.10 | yvesD | apparently it is only possible to delete the folder |
| 23:43.31 | yvesD | and make a new one with the name you want it. plain rename is not possible amirite? |
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| 23:45.09 | g0to | cls |
| 23:45.21 | g0to | sorry :/ |
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| 23:47.28 | phix | g0to: hehe |
| 23:47.45 | phix | the command is /clear though |
| 23:48.17 | phix | cls is a dos thing which should never be uttered in a linux channel :P |
| 23:48.28 | Armand | 10 cls |
| 23:48.31 | Armand | 20 goto 10 |
| 23:48.37 | Armand | ducks |
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| 23:50.21 | g0to | phix, I am a clear screen addicted, so I softlink 'clear' to 'cls' in all my systems or use Ctrl+l if the terminal allows it |
| 23:51.24 | g0to | I find 'clear' a long typing for all the times I use it |
| 23:51.56 | uu | this is not basica |
| 23:52.28 | phix | hehe |
| 23:52.36 | phix | uu: <3 |
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| 23:53.09 | phix | g0to: fair enough, are you one of those people that maps dir to ls as well? |
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| 23:53.32 | phix | copy to cp? move to mv? |
| 23:54.52 | Armand | fdisk to fdisk.... *do'h!* |
| 23:54.52 | g0to | phix, 'ls' is short enough. I like it that way with a pinch of '-l' using alias |
| 23:55.28 | g0to | Armand, you forgot the good old chkdsk ;) |
| 23:55.38 | Armand | I nearly had... thanks.. ¬_¬ |
| 23:56.12 | Armand | I remember attending an interview and talking about ifconfig, rather than ipconfig. >_< |
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| 23:57.20 | g0to | Armand, XD |
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| 23:57.35 | g0to | something like using semicolon at the end of a python line |
| 23:57.41 | uu | does ipconfig work in win8? |
| 23:57.56 | Armand | My brother told me it's gone from Win7. O.o |
| 23:58.02 | uu | lol |
| 23:58.16 | g0to | uu, maybe the right question is "does win8 works?" |
| 23:58.57 | uu | breaking news! window phones = randomly rebooting, don't buy |
| 23:59.48 | continuohm | people....were going to buy them? |
| 23:59.54 | g0to | I think Microsoft did their best to make 2013 the, yes this time, Linux Desktop year |