| 00:00.06 | nsadmin | either be specific or I'm out |
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| 00:00.28 | Juest | ypu make it haaaaard |
| 00:00.46 | KsM | Cyclohexane: Well I went from debian wheezy to a reinstall of it in a day, both were at the latest, I don't see why this problem has been happening |
| 00:00.50 | nsadmin | what if I weren't here? how would that change anything so far? |
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| 00:01.13 | KsM | I'm not sure if it's since the new install, as I wasn't really checking dmesg or anything then |
| 00:01.16 | Juest | someone else will answer i guess |
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| 00:01.56 | Cyclohexane | KsM: are you experiencing anything dodgy or just noticed the messages? |
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| 00:02.09 | calrogman | KsM: make sure you've not been pressing both buttons when it's doing this mysterious pasting ;) |
| 00:02.16 | BrickViking | Juest: given I haven't seen the previous message, I'm totally lost. |
| 00:02.29 | KsM | just noticed; looking through syslog gz logs now |
| 00:02.46 | Juest | uh |
| 00:02.53 | KsM | calrogman: I don't press -any- buttons, that's the weird part, I sometimes just run my fingers over the trackpad and it does things |
| 00:03.13 | BrickViking | KsM: hmm. sounds like it's treating it as clickmoves |
| 00:03.18 | KsM | I close my lid even (I don't put it to sleep if it's charging) and all my terminals are scrolled up |
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| 00:03.20 | Cyclohexane | KsM: check your kernel config for CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV |
| 00:04.07 | KsM | Cyclohexane: it's compiled as a module apparently, I'll unload it and see what happens |
| 00:04.15 | calrogman | don't do that D: |
| 00:04.16 | nsadmin | right, or not... so, right now my presense isn't affecting you one way or the other, except to suggest to you that if we get really good information from you, we might be able to help. anyway, my turtle just spoke to me, saying he needs walking... |
| 00:04.52 | reuf | why use debian and not ubuntu - pros and cons? |
| 00:04.58 | Cyclohexane | KsM: is it loaded? |
| 00:05.02 | BrickViking | removes the bottle of dried green frog pills from nsadmin's hands... no, you CAN'T give him more than 1 |
| 00:05.02 | calrogman | at the very least, make sure you have the synaptics and keyboard input modules for Xorg loaded before you do, KsM |
| 00:05.35 | KsM | calrogman: I have synaptics loaded for the mouse |
| 00:05.39 | KsM | er, trackpad |
| 00:05.48 | nsadmin | I really do hope you get your issues addressed; this also implies that I hope that you actually have a conversation |
| 00:06.04 | KsM | also it won't let me remove it, it says it's in use |
| 00:06.21 | Cyclohexane | KsM: you don't want to remove it :p |
| 00:06.42 | Cyclohexane | I just wanted to check it was loaded |
| 00:07.12 | KsM | well I removed evbug, evdev is still there, what now? |
| 00:07.28 | calrogman | evbug is what was writing to the log |
| 00:07.53 | calrogman | without it, evdev will continue to give you random pasting and scrolling, but the errors won't be getting put in your logs |
| 00:07.55 | BrickViking | ah well. I'm going to wait for more packages to download and install. |
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| 00:08.04 | ironm | somiaj, are you still around? I have got it working for the first VM - thank you very much. Config details are in kvm-networking-wheezy.txt |
| 00:08.04 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/201990/ |
| 00:08.34 | ironm | the second VM doesn't get an IP ... I missing something there |
| 00:08.43 | KsM | Blah, I just closed my lid to move the laptop and irssi's terminal got scrolled up and the terminal next to that got about 4 lines of text hilighted |
| 00:09.09 | KsM | Cyclohexane: is evdev used by the kernel or by X or what, can I just kill X and then remove the module? |
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| 00:12.18 | Cyclohexane | KsM: it's part of the kernel |
| 00:12.29 | calrogman | evdev is used by X to do input using the kernel's generic event devices, adding automatic support for devices the kernel knows about, including most mice, keyboards, tablets and touchscreens. conflicts can arise when it's used in conjunction with more specialised X drivers, like the synaptics driver. try killing X, removing the module then starting X up again. |
| 00:13.01 | KsM | ok |
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| 00:13.15 | calrogman | Cyclohexane: it's actually in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko :) |
| 00:13.44 | Juest | help me, why mirror is not supporting me? archdetect says i386/generic |
| 00:14.19 | AdmV0rl03 | is it just me or is cut n paste in wheezy on raspi 'tricky'? |
| 00:14.26 | Juest | syslog is saying mirror doesn't support squeeze |
| 00:14.28 | Juest | WHY? |
| 00:14.39 | Juest | Anyone? |
| 00:14.45 | Cyclohexane | calrogman: yeah a kernel module.. |
| 00:14.59 | calrogman | don't mean to offend, Juest, i just want to help you get help, is english your first language? |
| 00:14.59 | Juest | GUYS? |
| 00:15.36 | calrogman | your sentences are a bit broken, and if you're more proficient with another language, there are other-language help channels available |
| 00:15.55 | Juest | calrogman: no, Native Spanish and fluent English |
| 00:16.28 | calrogman | !es |
| 00:16.29 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 00:16.30 | Juest | calrogman: why us mirror is rejecting me? |
| 00:16.43 | calrogman | because it doesn't have the squeeze distro mirrored, i'd guess |
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| 00:20.25 | KsM | hm |
| 00:21.09 | calrogman | hm? |
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| 00:21.46 | KsM | I removed the "SendCoreCommands" (or whatever the SendCore____ line was) in /etc/xorg.conf and it worked now |
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| 00:23.12 | calrogman | strange that that would make any real difference, but congrats :) |
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| 00:32.01 | sevenfourk | fellas anyone using xcompmgr? I'm curious is that possible to disable compositing while watching movies? maybe someone digged that |
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| 00:35.14 | jhasldfkj | is it possible to install compiz on wheezy |
| 00:36.51 | jhasldfkj | anyone? |
| 00:36.58 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: just set up a keybinding to toggle it on off |
| 00:37.21 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: what WM are you using? |
| 00:37.23 | sevenfourk | MrFrood: I thought of automation |
| 00:37.25 | sevenfourk | dwm |
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| 00:37.45 | rainfyre | jhasldfkj: I don't see why it wouldn't be |
| 00:37.58 | KsM | jhasldfkj: I went to http://snapshot.debian.org/ and downloaded the .debs for compiz and got the dependencies myself, and this is working for now |
| 00:38.09 | KsM | rainfyre: compiz is no longer in the wheezy repos |
| 00:38.30 | rainfyre | KsM: ahh ok |
| 00:38.47 | MrFrood | ok, I did the toggle keybinding in dwm once but it was a while ago so all I can say is it can be done |
| 00:38.54 | jhasldfkj | ok thanks |
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| 00:39.48 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: also if you don't mind compiling take a look at compton (xcompmgr fork with lot of bug fixes) |
| 00:40.38 | sevenfourk | MrFrood: yeah, during asking I have figured xcompmgr no longer maintained. |
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| 00:40.51 | sevenfourk | compiling is ok |
| 00:41.09 | sevenfourk | debian doesn't have it shipped in repos yet? |
| 00:42.09 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: there is a whishlist request |
| 00:42.31 | sevenfourk | good. |
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| 00:47.35 | ironm | hello. May I ask what is the correct syntax for the second tap device? (tap1) ... the follwoing config doesn't do what I expect |
| 00:47.55 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/201995/ |
| 00:48.06 | ironm | thank you in advance for any hints |
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| 00:50.58 | damaxus | you could try inserting before line 23, auto br0.1 and iface br0.1 inet manual |
| 00:51.30 | damaxus | but i don't know really what you're doing, just that I suspect you can't replicate those commands under a single interface |
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| 00:52.26 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: one thing you could do is alias mplayer (or whatever you use) to a command/script that disables compositing before starting mplayer |
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| 00:53.29 | sevenfourk | MrFrood: I thought of it and almost did, but that's ridiculous |
| 00:53.44 | ironm | thanks a lot damaxus .. I will try it |
| 00:54.13 | sevenfourk | MrFrood: "compton" looks nice |
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| 00:54.38 | MrFrood | thinks that if sevenfourk thinks that is ridiculous he must not of seen some of the scripts MrFrood runs |
| 00:55.05 | MrFrood | it is, got playing nicly with openbox here |
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| 00:56.20 | MrFrood | *got it* |
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| 00:59.18 | sevenfourk | MrFrood: I did that: http://paste.debian.net/201997/, but for some reason it hags my X, haven't figured why.. |
| 00:59.29 | sevenfourk | s/hags/hangs |
| 01:00.16 | sevenfourk | bot needs substitution feature :-) |
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| 01:04.14 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: try "pkill xcompmgr &" |
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| 01:05.47 | sevenfourk | I don't understand why that happends to that code |
| 01:06.24 | MrFrood | and just start xcompmgr normally at the end of the script eg: "xcompmgr -c &" |
| 01:06.47 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: your code or pkill ? |
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| 01:09.08 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: try putting an ampersand at the end of the "killall -s SIGSTOP xcompmgr" line |
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| 01:10.35 | sevenfourk | my code/function |
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| 01:11.40 | MrFrood | try the an "&" at the end of the first line, but I got be honest I also am not sure why it's not working |
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| 01:11.59 | Texou | hi |
| 01:12.14 | MrFrood | hello |
| 01:13.07 | Texou | could someone tell me why with Evolution on squeeze, when I'm on Sent folder, I have "40 messages" written, but I don't see them? |
| 01:14.00 | MrFrood | no idea as I use alpine but someone here must use evolution... |
| 01:14.46 | gnarface | Texou: probably because you forgot to give the proper path to your IMAP Inbox directory in your Evolution config but i'm just guessing (i don't use evolution either) |
| 01:15.21 | Texou | ok thanks. I use gmail in pop |
| 01:15.41 | MrFrood | Texou: gmail offers imap |
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| 01:16.08 | Texou | yes but with Evolution I've never managed to make it work |
| 01:16.38 | MrFrood | is happy that he stuck with pine/alpine |
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| 01:17.15 | Texou | :) |
| 01:17.18 | sevenfourk | what about mutt |
| 01:17.28 | Texou | I'm limitated in GUI soft for accessibility issues |
| 01:17.41 | deadalnix | trace:wgl:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering enabled: False |
| 01:18.00 | deadalnix | how do I get the direct rendering for 32bit in 64bit testing ? |
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| 01:18.07 | deadalnix | with nvidia drivers ? |
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| 01:20.51 | MrFrood | Texou: double check the pop settings is about all I can suggest unt an evolution user pops in |
| 01:21.13 | MrFrood | s/unt/until/ |
| 01:21.15 | Texou | ok |
| 01:21.39 | Texou | thanks |
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| 01:23.50 | gnarface | Texou: i use icedove, fyi. maybe it'll be easier to configure? or mabye just at least give more useful error messaging... |
| 01:25.11 | Texou | gnarface: yes some people use it with a screen reader, but for a beginner it's not excellent with a screen reader (orca). That's why I suggested Evolution, but... it has bugs I have not with my lenny :( |
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| 01:27.46 | MrFrood | Texou: if you get no joy here try the debian users mailing list |
| 01:28.03 | Texou | ah yes ok |
| 01:28.09 | Texou | I had not thought of them |
| 01:28.12 | LtL | Texou: i use evolution, my sent mail shows up fine |
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| 01:29.00 | Texou | LtL: well if I copy Sent folder anywhere, I see contents. But in the folder itself, the messages don't appear. I really don't see why |
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| 01:29.42 | LtL | Texou: in edit/preferences accounts, edit gmail look at default tab, be sure sent mail go to sent folder. it should by default |
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| 01:29.57 | MrFrood | Texou: when you say "see" you are talking about the screenreader? |
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| 01:31.00 | Texou | MrFrood: actually the screen reader reads the title bar. And I see "Sent (8 sent)". If I send a new message, I get "9 sent)" in title bar when I am on the folder. |
| 01:31.19 | Texou | but they don't appear. They are hidden and I cannot undo that |
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| 01:31.39 | LtL | Texou: i've never had that problem, muliple machines |
| 01:31.53 | Texou | it's the 1st time for me too |
| 01:32.18 | Texou | I could reset Evolution but it's hard ... :( |
| 01:32.36 | Texou | at least settings |
| 01:33.23 | LtL | Texou: hrm, i have three email accounts, everything works |
| 01:33.51 | Texou | usually it works for me too :( |
| 01:34.07 | LtL | Texou: yeah, that's very strange |
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| 01:34.31 | aristarchus | is there a way to use ustream.tv on linux? |
| 01:34.33 | Texou | I guess it's a display problem |
| 01:34.36 | aristarchus | it doesn't detect my player |
| 01:34.51 | Texou | as even with some sight we see the folder doesn't scroll down |
| 01:35.04 | LtL | Texou: very possible, does deleted mail show up? |
| 01:36.05 | Texou | LtL: I see trash contents yes. I'm not sure the checkbox "Show deleted mails" is checked. I do Enter on it but it doesn't check, it probably run a command I guess |
| 01:36.25 | MrFrood | aristarchus: what browser and what media player plugin? |
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| 01:37.17 | aristarchus | MrFood: iceweasel, i'm not sure of the player, it is from the default install, debian x86_64 |
| 01:37.50 | Texou | I'll try removing the folder |
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| 01:38.40 | MrFrood | aristarchus: I've not used the site you mentioned bbut iceweasel + the flash plugin + gmplayer plugin has never let me down yet |
| 01:39.20 | aristarchus | MrFood: i have tried multiple links on it, and none of them seem to work |
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| 01:39.35 | aristarchus | MrFood: i'm only interested because of a livestream event |
| 01:39.58 | MrFrood | did you install a media player pugin? |
| 01:40.11 | MrFrood | s/plugin |
| 01:41.31 | aristarchus | well, youtube works |
| 01:41.44 | Areckx | I am having problems with qt5. I tried to install qjoypad and it asked for qt version > 4.2, so I download qt5 from git and just finished make and make install, restarted,m and ./configure in qjoypad's src directory still says I need version ? 4.2 |
| 01:41.48 | aristarchus | and some other flash sites, so obviously i have flash |
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| 01:42.20 | MrFrood | aristarchus: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gecko-mediaplayer |
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| 01:43.17 | Juest | Hi, Why my installer is saying bad archive mirror????? |
| 01:43.36 | Juest | netinstall |
| 01:43.40 | Juest | Anyone???? |
| 01:43.43 | MrFrood | which mirror? |
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| 01:44.10 | MrFrood | (easy solution use another mirror) |
| 01:44.17 | aristarchus | MrFood: ok, i've installed that now |
| 01:44.18 | Juest | Any, tried with Argentina uba and debian us |
| 01:44.20 | Juest | usa |
| 01:44.27 | Juest | MrFrood |
| 01:44.49 | Juest | so? |
| 01:45.01 | MrFrood | so same issue with two mirrors? |
| 01:45.07 | Juest | What do i do? deal with cd and try later? |
| 01:45.25 | Juest | Yes, seems like mirror update or something |
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| 01:45.32 | karlpinc | Areckx: There are better approaches. (And take note of footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware.) You should probably backport it yourself (see the <ssb> factoid), but let's look. |
| 01:45.43 | karlpinc | !versions qt5 |
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| 01:45.46 | MrFrood | Juest: cd1 or netinstall cd |
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| 01:46.05 | Juest | idk, maybe because i already used these mirrors? |
| 01:46.12 | Juest | netinstal |
| 01:46.19 | Juest | MrFrood |
| 01:46.47 | Juest | idk, the next Argentina one succeed |
| 01:46.56 | Juest | wrll |
| 01:47.03 | Juest | it's any mirror |
| 01:47.12 | Juest | MrFrood: Any mirror |
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| 01:47.55 | Juest | MrFrood: syslog says mirror doesn't support squeeze |
| 01:48.02 | sevenfourk | MrFrood: I partly figured why my function hangs X, because I'm stoping xcompmgr, which is like overlay for X, so yes, better to use just killing |
| 01:48.09 | MrFrood | CD1 will install without mirrrors, I think it good be an issue with your network - have you checked that your nic works with the default squeeze kernel? |
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| 01:48.22 | deadalnix | ok people, I need your help. I need libxvmc1 both in 32 and 64 bits |
| 01:48.25 | karlpinc | Juest: That's strange. |
| 01:48.26 | deadalnix | how can I do that ? |
| 01:48.31 | MrFrood | sevenfourk: well done |
| 01:48.42 | Juest | MrFrood: using netinstall..... |
| 01:48.49 | Juest | j |
| 01:49.15 | Juest | karlpinc: a few hours ago i had no trouble accessing mirrors |
| 01:49.20 | gnarface | deadalnix: you can't yet. nvidia dragging their feet on a fix. current unstable package just drops libxvmc1 requirement (still leaks memory by the boat load though) |
| 01:49.30 | Juest | ...... |
| 01:49.32 | Juest | Hey |
| 01:49.46 | karlpinc | Juest: Yes? |
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| 01:49.55 | Juest | ^^ |
| 01:50.04 | deadalnix | gnarface, why does this have something to do with nvivia ? |
| 01:50.26 | karlpinc | Juest: You could try accessing the mirrors from a web browser and see if that works. You can look in the dist/ dir, iirc to see supported releases. |
| 01:50.27 | MrFrood | Juest: what chipset does your network card (nic) use? |
| 01:50.28 | Juest | What should ii do? |
| 01:50.32 | deadalnix | that lib isn't done by nvidia |
| 01:50.45 | karlpinc | Juest: And be patient, there's no poing in bugging the people in this channel. |
| 01:50.52 | Juest | karlpinc: squeeze dir exist |
| 01:50.54 | karlpinc | *point* |
| 01:51.00 | gnarface | deadalnix: so you're saying you need libxvmc1 installed for 32 and 64 bit and you need that because of something OTHER than a nvidia driver component? |
| 01:51.09 | Juest | because it says not suppirted |
| 01:51.20 | Juest | supported* |
| 01:51.26 | deadalnix | gnarface, no because of the nvidia driver |
| 01:51.40 | Juest | darn, now cdrom gone |
| 01:51.47 | MrFrood | Juest: what chipset in your nic? |
| 01:51.47 | deadalnix | but still, what do nvidia can do here ? |
| 01:51.49 | Juest | into io error |
| 01:51.52 | deadalnix | it seems like a debian problem |
| 01:51.54 | karlpinc | Juest: And about MrFrood's question about the nic chipset? |
| 01:51.55 | gnarface | deadalnix: you mean *yes* because of the nvidia driver???? |
| 01:52.13 | Juest | CD just gone io error :( |
| 01:52.14 | Texou | 'night guys and thanks |
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| 01:52.20 | karlpinc | deadalnix: Nivida has the source code, to everything. Debian does not. |
| 01:52.21 | deadalnix | yes because of the nvidia driver |
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| 01:52.39 | Juest | there it unbugged |
| 01:52.56 | deadalnix | what does the fact that nvidia have the source of their driver have somethign to do with the fact that this lib conflict with itself ? |
| 01:52.58 | Juest | how's that nic thing??? |
| 01:53.13 | karlpinc | Juest: Hardware problems? Perhaps run memtest86++, I think it's something that can be started from the netinstall cd on boot. (Could be wrong.) |
| 01:53.27 | Juest | ummm |
| 01:53.29 | Juest | no |
| 01:53.33 | gnarface | deadalnix: i don't really know. i suspect they broke it all on purpose just to spite everyone who didn't upgrade to a 600 series card yet. |
| 01:53.45 | karlpinc | deadalnix: Perhaps nothing. I'm not paying full attention. |
| 01:53.51 | jetscreamer | which installation version/flavor would i use for a macbook pro |
| 01:53.52 | Juest | lol |
| 01:53.54 | ironm | damaxus, thanks a lot! .. I've got it working .. with the following config and different MAC addresses for every VM ... http://paste.debian.net/plain/202002 |
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| 01:54.15 | gnarface | deadalnix: you know they resent that they can't just quietly cease all linux support without us complaining loudly on slashdot about them, thus lowering their stock prices, right? |
| 01:54.21 | jetscreamer | -686? |
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| 01:54.35 | ironm | damaxus, br0:1 gave me an error message ... br0.1 too |
| 01:54.42 | Juest | MrFrood: ummm, nic=lan? no, no probs, it worked fine a few hours ago |
| 01:54.44 | deadalnix | gnarface, I still don't see the point |
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| 01:54.53 | Juest | today |
| 01:54.53 | deadalnix | nvidia have a 32 and 64 bits blob |
| 01:55.06 | Juest | all day fine till now..... |
| 01:55.10 | gnarface | deadalnix: that's because you're mistaken about the origin of libxvmc1 and its purpose as well as who is responsible for maintaining it. |
| 01:55.22 | MrFrood | Juest: with debian? |
| 01:55.31 | gnarface | deadalnix: stop assuming i'm wrong about everything and it may start all making more sense to you |
| 01:55.32 | Juest | Yes, with installer |
| 01:55.44 | deadalnix | gnarface, I don't assume you are wrong |
| 01:55.48 | deadalnix | just explain me :D |
| 01:56.15 | gnarface | deadalnix: libxvmc1 is part of the nvidia driver package(s) and is only used by them |
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| 01:56.28 | Juest | probably internet is sucking, it's not a new issue...., happened |
| 01:56.30 | LtL | Juest: the installer has worked all day, thats a bit weird you know |
| 01:56.39 | Juest | lol yes |
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| 01:56.44 | Juest | til now |
| 01:56.50 | MrFrood | Juest: if it is NOT an unsupported nic then I've really no idea - sorry |
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| 01:57.01 | LtL | Juest: the install is complete then, yes? |
| 01:57.02 | deadalnix | gnarface, ok, but they provide a 32 and 64bits version of it |
| 01:57.09 | Juest | imma try internet restart |
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| 01:57.29 | gnarface | deadalnix: yea the nvidia drivers need both 32-bit and 64-bit libraries if you want to play 32-bit games on 64-bit hardware |
| 01:57.30 | Juest | LtL: nope, been having problems and restarted it |
| 01:57.32 | karlpinc | Juest: AU has odd internet, but FWIW I always find the best servers in Germany. IIRC Germany has the worlds biggest nap, which might or might not have something to do with it. |
| 01:57.44 | Juest | im in Argentina |
| 01:57.57 | karlpinc | Juest: Oops. |
| 01:58.03 | Juest | lol |
| 01:58.04 | LtL | Juest: restarted the installer? |
| 01:58.19 | Juest | alot of times, still bad |
| 01:58.23 | gnarface | deadalnix: its my understanding that libxvmc1 is only used by very old cards though so why they don't just ditch it and merge the one or two functions left in use into the main code base to simplify this recurring nightmare is anyone's guess - but you can bet its not a problem on windows. |
| 01:58.36 | Juest | two times already |
| 01:58.42 | Juest | LtL ^ |
| 01:58.55 | Juest | 10 ti |
| 01:59.05 | Juest | 10 times today |
| 01:59.07 | LtL | Juest: where and when does it fail with what error |
| 01:59.19 | Juest | many things |
| 01:59.24 | Areckx | karlpinc, what does that mean? |
| 01:59.52 | deadalnix | gnarface, that may be bad engeneering, but still, the problem here is that debian don't handle both 32 and 64 bit version of it, both provided. |
| 01:59.54 | deadalnix | http://twolife.be/debian/todo/xvmc/ |
| 01:59.59 | deadalnix | seems to fix it |
| 02:00.01 | deadalnix | I'll try |
| 02:00.03 | Juest | cancel cuz gpt to msdos switch, cd io error, crash |
| 02:00.17 | LtL | Juest: wipe the disk with a utility cd, start clean. i think you have connectivity issues or hardware |
| 02:00.29 | Juest | LtL, i had started xlean |
| 02:00.32 | Juest | clean |
| 02:00.40 | Juest | formatted many ti |
| 02:00.43 | Juest | times |
| 02:01.08 | Juest | Imma try restarting internet |
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| 02:04.00 | gnarface | deadalnix: lemme know if that fixes the memory leak gout in wine |
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| 02:05.47 | daniel-s | hi, in the debian installer when creating a partition there is an option to assign labels to a partition |
| 02:06.04 | daniel-s | what does that option change/do? |
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| 02:07.20 | deadalnix | gnarface, I will |
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| 02:09.27 | damaxus | ironm: nice :) |
| 02:09.36 | Ithrendil | Hi |
| 02:10.14 | Ithrendil | My last kernel version on my werbserver is 3.2.13, maybe i must to upgrade it ? |
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| 02:11.23 | damaxus | Ithrendil: you dont have to be running the latest and greatest kernel. |
| 02:12.05 | Ithrendil | ok so, that's not a problem if my webserver don't run the latest kernel ? |
| 02:12.17 | damaxus | not at all |
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| 02:12.27 | damaxus | debian stable currently includes 2.6.32 |
| 02:12.33 | LtL | Ithrendil: 3.2 is latest enough plenty |
| 02:13.18 | Ithrendil | ok thx at all :) |
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| 02:17.05 | zxcvbn | Hello! My Debian Installer doesnt want to see cdrom device and install fails (im installing from usb stick, theres no cdrom device on target machine). Solution is to mount usb stick manually. My usb stick is /dev/sda. What I do wrong? http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/1210/c9/21d9b02cde36.jpg |
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| 02:18.41 | WaterRatj | what would be an easy way to give a user access to another users home directory and vice-versa? |
| 02:19.34 | KsM | add them to the same group and chown the home directory to that group |
| 02:19.41 | KsM | and set permissions accordingly |
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| 02:20.28 | KsM | well, that would be most secure, easiest would be to just change permissions |
| 02:20.39 | damaxus | to expand on KsM's answer, you can create a new group, or put each user into the others' group, eg usermod -a -G user1 user2 && usermod -a -G user2 user1 |
| 02:20.48 | damaxus | and chmod 775 /home/user{1,2} |
| 02:20.57 | damaxus | assuming you want full r/w of the full homedirs |
| 02:23.13 | deadalnix | gnarface, it kind of fix the problem with the lib, but I still can't run wine apps |
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| 02:23.43 | WinstonSmith | are debian isos all hybrid? |
| 02:24.29 | damaxus | at least squeeze+ are |
| 02:24.44 | WinstonSmith | damaxus: thanks |
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| 02:24.53 | damaxus | zxcvbn: if you wrote the iso to the USB, you should just be able to boot the USB and not manually mount anything |
| 02:25.01 | nsadmin | hybrid in what sense? |
| 02:25.18 | damaxus | isohybrid |
| 02:25.47 | nsadmin | you mean like joliet + iso? |
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| 02:26.23 | WinstonSmith | meaning they are dd'able to a usb stick |
| 02:26.33 | damaxus | apparently it puts the iso9660 inside of a partition |
| 02:26.36 | WinstonSmith | that is the only definition of hybrid i ever ehard |
| 02:26.44 | zxcvbn | damaxus: I am able to boot from USB. And installer works, but on step 3 it says "Cannot find cdrom device" and installation fails. |
| 02:26.51 | damaxus | "The ISO 9660 filesystem is encapsulated in a partition (which starts at offset zero, which may confuse some systems.) This makes it possible for the operating system, once booted, to use the remainder of the device for persistent storage by creating a second partition. " |
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| 02:27.44 | damaxus | zxcvbn: i'm not sure what step 3 is, but was there an option to install from a folder or network install? |
| 02:27.52 | damaxus | assuming that was asking you about installation source or something |
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| 02:30.28 | BrickViking | quick question, I don't know if you lot can answer it. |
| 02:30.31 | zxcvbn | damaxus: it was, but somehow there is no such option in my case :( |
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| 02:31.09 | nsadmin | then why ask here? |
| 02:31.13 | BrickViking | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.26 | zxcvbn | i've asked on #linux but they sent me here. |
| 02:31.42 | nsadmin | because that's tne nature of dependencies |
| 02:31.46 | zxcvbn | My problem is still on using "mount" command |
| 02:32.05 | BrickViking | I ask because (1) I don't have a bluetooth dongle and (2) I don't have any printers |
| 02:32.34 | nsadmin | so you're really asking a different question |
| 02:32.57 | nsadmin | you're asking why the devs have placed those deps |
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| 02:33.29 | confusid | I tried to play a mp4 that I recoreded from my camera and it will not play video in vlc. Do I need to download codecs or use another player for that? |
| 02:33.45 | nsadmin | maybe they are "recommends" not deps |
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| 02:34.32 | JyZyXEL | how come when i do: mount.nfs -W nas:/srv/test /root/test and then try to touch /root/test/test.txt i get: touch: cannot touch `test.txt': Permission denied |
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| 02:34.35 | damaxus | if they were recommends wouldnt it install without wanting to pull the others? |
| 02:34.47 | LtL | BrickViking: i just disable them with update-rc.d |
| 02:34.50 | WaterRatj | damaxus, thanks but for the second line the user{1,2} confuses me a bit (not to keen in linux) |
| 02:34.50 | JyZyXEL | im logged on as root |
| 02:34.56 | JyZyXEL | how the hell can it give me permission denied |
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| 02:35.34 | damaxus | WaterRatj: that's equivalent to /home/user1 /home/user2 |
| 02:35.36 | scwizard | I'm wondering, can you build new stuff with current libraries? |
| 02:35.40 | scwizard | like if I'm on wheezy can I build apache 2.4? |
| 02:35.51 | scwizard | or will it be all like "the libraries are the wrong version" |
| 02:35.54 | BrickViking | nsadmin: that could indeed be the case. Thankfully they're wrapper packages, and not full distro-core packages in their own right. |
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| 02:36.06 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, you're not root on the other machine, are you? |
| 02:36.17 | JyZyXEL | what other machine? |
| 02:36.21 | damaxus | scwizard: you can get the library source (blah-dev) and you'll have the libraries there to link the new software against current libraries |
| 02:36.31 | nsadmin | I guess the nas thing |
| 02:36.34 | BrickViking | JyZyXEL: the one providing the NAS service |
| 02:36.40 | damaxus | scwizard: you can do apt-get build-dep apache2 iirc |
| 02:36.41 | JyZyXEL | i am? |
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| 02:36.57 | damaxus | and it'll fetch all the library headers at least the current version of apache was built against |
| 02:37.03 | WaterRatj | so chmod 775 /home/john && chmod 775 /home/doe ,, would do it? |
| 02:37.03 | damaxus | so you can then try compiling a new version |
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| 02:37.08 | scwizard | daniel001: apt-get build-dep apache2 will get the dependencies for 2.22 |
| 02:37.09 | nsadmin | so if you're not, just because you're root on your own machine doesnt mean anything about any other |
| 02:37.09 | damaxus | WaterRatj: yeah |
| 02:37.13 | WaterRatj | thanks! |
| 02:37.18 | JyZyXEL | what does it matter? |
| 02:37.31 | damaxus | it matters whether the remote host is doing a root squash |
| 02:37.47 | JyZyXEL | hmm |
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| 02:37.57 | JyZyXEL | well i added a basic export line in /etc/exports as root |
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| 02:38.01 | damaxus | there's an nfs export option no_root_squash that allows remote root users to have root access to the volume |
| 02:38.04 | Juest | guys, the bad archive error was because net not configured sorry |
| 02:38.15 | Juest | now |
| 02:38.17 | Juest | help |
| 02:38.25 | nsadmin | specifics |
| 02:38.30 | JyZyXEL | ill add that |
| 02:38.35 | BrickViking | Juest: so, what WAS the question you originally asked, seeing as I've missed you twice now. |
| 02:38.37 | tedada | . |
| 02:38.38 | WaterRatj | hmm when i try to download a file trought browser to the other users dir says insudffecient permission |
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| 02:38.54 | JyZyXEL | now i have: /srv/test miner(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 02:38.58 | Juest | because the netinstaller is not listing all categories |
| 02:39.03 | JyZyXEL | and i just sudo mkdir /srv/test |
| 02:39.11 | JyZyXEL | and then restarted nfs-server |
| 02:39.14 | JyZyXEL | i thought that would be enough |
| 02:39.19 | damaxus | no |
| 02:39.29 | damaxus | JyZyXEL: add no_root_squash to the list |
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| 02:39.33 | JyZyXEL | ill add the no_root_squash |
| 02:39.50 | damaxus | and do be aware of the security implications of that :) |
| 02:39.50 | nsadmin | Juest, install the base from the cd, reboot, configure the net, correct your sources.list, install what you want |
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| 02:40.11 | JyZyXEL | what security implications? |
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| 02:40.19 | Juest | BrickViking: it goes like this, been having problems with netinstall, cd fails and now setup is not giving me all categories |
| 02:40.20 | JyZyXEL | i don't care what happens to /srv/test/ |
| 02:40.51 | BrickViking | define "all categories".. See, you're not being anywhere near specific enough. |
| 02:40.54 | damaxus | http://blog.serverbuddies.com/why-we-should-not-use-the-no_root_squash-option/ |
| 02:40.58 | Juest | nsadmin: no prob, it was human fault, i had not done config network |
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| 02:41.21 | damaxus | JyZyXEL: you can use it in secure networks or test scenarios, but be aware that it's a risk otherwise |
| 02:41.25 | Juest | BrickViking: ssh server and std system utils is all i see |
| 02:41.32 | BrickViking | heh. That'll be a good killer there. |
| 02:41.35 | JyZyXEL | well what shouldi do then? |
| 02:41.41 | JyZyXEL | chown nobody.nobody /srv/test? |
| 02:41.42 | Juest | ..... |
| 02:41.43 | WaterRatj | damaxus, do I need to reboot or something? |
| 02:41.44 | BrickViking | Ahh, what it can get off the cd image, I guess. |
| 02:41.46 | damaxus | use proper permissions |
| 02:41.55 | JyZyXEL | what is the proper permission? |
| 02:42.11 | damaxus | WaterRatj: do a chmod -R g+w /home/usernames |
| 02:42.20 | BrickViking | I had print server, file server, web server, SQL server etc etc in addition when I defined the network properly |
| 02:42.49 | damaxus | JyZyXEL: on the remote server, chmod 777 /srv/test for example |
| 02:42.51 | Juest | Yea, i definitely defined network but before it was showing it all, now less |
| 02:43.00 | damaxus | or use whatever groups / permissions make sense on the folder. |
| 02:43.17 | BrickViking | Juest: sigh. |
| 02:43.18 | JyZyXEL | but what does it matter what permissions are on the remote system? |
| 02:43.23 | confusid | just used apt-get install libreoffice and it gave me some text saying deps not installed and wont be.. but then I use apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice it works. What/how is this setup? there are parts in the normal repo and if the rest is not found it will not install it unless you tell it to look else where? |
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| 02:43.32 | JyZyXEL | what does NFS use to access the share? |
| 02:43.37 | JyZyXEL | it uses root? right? |
| 02:43.50 | WaterRatj | still insufficient permissions |
| 02:43.51 | JyZyXEL | so every share should be root.root? |
| 02:43.58 | damaxus | if you connect as root, without no_root_squash, it uses nfsnobody or nobody |
| 02:44.18 | damaxus | which means permissions on the remote side depend on the 'other' permissions |
| 02:44.28 | damaxus | unless the share folder is owned by that nfsnobody user for example |
| 02:44.46 | JyZyXEL | god damn this is so confusing |
| 02:44.56 | JyZyXEL | now i have absolutely no idea what the right thing to do is |
| 02:44.58 | damaxus | you can specify the user to connect with as an option to the mount command |
| 02:45.07 | damaxus | just use no_root_squash for now to play around with |
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| 02:45.22 | damaxus | play around with it, and read some HOWTOs |
| 02:45.33 | JyZyXEL | i read some howto and it had NOTHING about ANY of this |
| 02:45.34 | peterrooney | JyZyXEL: do you want whoever's connecting via NFS to ever have equivalent-to-root access to said machine? |
| 02:45.46 | WaterRatj | damaxus, still insufficient permissions |
| 02:45.52 | JyZyXEL | peterrooney: well of course not |
| 02:46.08 | JyZyXEL | i want the machine connectiong to have access to /srv/test |
| 02:46.11 | JyZyXEL | nothing else |
| 02:46.19 | JyZyXEL | thats the whole point... |
| 02:46.29 | damaxus | JyZyXEL: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s06.html |
| 02:46.53 | damaxus | there's a whole section about this on a prominent google hit for NFS HOWTO |
| 02:47.18 | damaxus | short answer: use no_root_squash and you're fine. just don't assume you always want to use no_root_squash :) |
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| 02:47.36 | damaxus | it'd be a bigger issue if you were exporting a volume that was going to be used for netbooting |
| 02:47.55 | damaxus | where a bad actor on the network could write nasties into your clients' boot environment |
| 02:48.14 | JyZyXEL | i just want to host some space on my nas for another computers root user u_U |
| 02:48.28 | damaxus | right, so export with no_root_squash and you're good to go. |
| 02:49.40 | JyZyXEL | now i have write permission yay |
| 02:50.04 | damaxus | cool beans =) |
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| 02:50.29 | nsadmin | beans aren't that good when cool |
| 02:51.01 | BrickViking | Funny that. |
| 02:51.04 | Armand | What about java beans? |
| 02:51.26 | damaxus | locks in the freshness |
| 02:51.33 | damaxus | mm mm |
| 02:51.56 | Armand | I hate beans... unless we're talking coffee. ¬_¬ |
| 02:52.56 | damaxus | WaterRatj: log out and log back in for group changes to take affect |
| 02:53.11 | BrickViking | hm. Wonder why iceweasel is required... |
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| 02:54.43 | damaxus | WaterRatj: https://pastee.org/xka6x |
| 02:55.30 | confusid | is OpenOffice installed by default? |
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| 02:55.56 | damaxus | in a system installed with the desktop package, yes |
| 02:56.00 | damaxus | but in a core debian install, no. |
| 02:56.12 | damaxus | err, debian tasksel |
| 02:56.42 | confusid | ok, I had an icon for OpenOffice never clicked on it.. Just installed libreoffice and now OpenOffice icon is missing from the menu |
| 02:57.23 | BrickViking | That's because libreoffice sort of conflicts with openoffice. |
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| 02:57.45 | BrickViking | And debian is providing openoffice upgrades that get updated to libreoffice |
| 02:57.53 | BrickViking | (or seems to be, anyhow) |
| 02:58.00 | confusid | so it uninstalled it? or do I still need to use apt-get remove or purge openoffice? |
| 02:58.11 | BrickViking | I'd rerun the purge anyhow. |
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| 02:58.16 | confusid | ty |
| 03:00.19 | confusid | hmm.. it is telling me it is not here.. but I never removed anything for openoffice. |
| 03:00.34 | BrickViking | hm. apt must have done the cleanup already |
| 03:00.55 | BrickViking | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.32 | confusid | apt-cache search is used to list installed packages? |
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| 03:02.52 | damaxus | i generally use dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:03.00 | confusid | ty |
| 03:03.32 | confusid | ha 4 packages installed still :) |
| 03:04.05 | WaterRatj | damaxus, works when i do it all ine one terminal then the touch works, from the moment i close the terminal and start another, i get permission erros again |
| 03:06.14 | confusid | ty libre office is the only one left :) |
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| 03:06.33 | damaxus | WaterRatj: run id and ls -al in a folder and paste somewhere, redacting as needed |
| 03:07.08 | damaxus | from a terminal where it doesnt work |
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| 03:07.53 | Juest | How i undo mbr changes made by grub? |
| 03:08.12 | Juest | installation ran sda, not sdb |
| 03:08.14 | Juest | why? |
| 03:08.24 | Juest | Help |
| 03:08.38 | damaxus | unless you backed up your MBR and whatnot, you can't. |
| 03:08.52 | damaxus | as for why it wrote to the wrong device.. dunno. it asks you if you want to, and you said yes. |
| 03:08.55 | Juest | damaxus: had windows 8 mbr, |
| 03:09.10 | damaxus | normally you want grub on the first hdd |
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| 03:09.25 | deadalnix | gnarface, it does work but I have to sleep right now |
| 03:09.33 | deadalnix | I'll tell you back how it worked later |
| 03:09.39 | tedada | Juest: u could use rescatux iso to rewrite mbr |
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| 03:11.26 | WaterRatj | damaxus, http://pastebin.com/bbM8hxTn , stragne that id doesn't have the group added, did that command already twice you told me |
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| 03:12.29 | damaxus | WaterRatj: in the id command you can see that you aren't in hlds's group |
| 03:12.47 | damaxus | the perms on hlds folder are good |
| 03:12.51 | WaterRatj | i know bit why does't it add me? i did the usermod thingy twice already |
| 03:12.59 | damaxus | grep hlds /etc/group |
| 03:13.06 | damaxus | does it show waterratj? |
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| 03:13.20 | damaxus | if so, then you just need to close the shell and/or log out / back in |
| 03:13.34 | damaxus | so id reflects that you're in the hlds group |
| 03:14.11 | WaterRatj | let me reeboot real quick brb |
| 03:14.22 | phogg | or newgrp |
| 03:15.25 | damaxus | hah. didn't know about that command.. nice =) |
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| 03:16.21 | WaterRatj | ok back let me try id now |
| 03:16.55 | WaterRatj | seems i'm not in the group |
| 03:16.58 | WaterRatj | *now |
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| 03:18.57 | damaxus | paste output of grep hlds /etc/group |
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| 03:19.21 | damaxus | i bet it's missing your username |
| 03:19.47 | damaxus | if i had to bet, you added hlds to your group rather than the other way around |
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| 03:20.17 | damaxus | eg, you did usermod -a -G waterratj hlds |
| 03:20.20 | damaxus | instead of the other way around |
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| 03:36.01 | emerson_ | hi |
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| 03:37.14 | confusid | I never checked before but i have 12mb left on my / I have the 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 kernel installed and guessing it is from that. Can I remove the old one without issues? |
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| 03:56.40 | sevenfourk | why you keep old kernel installed? |
| 03:57.32 | blackshirt | nothing problems with old kernel just keeped |
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| 03:59.50 | sevenfourk | nothing..but why to keep them if you're not using them |
| 04:00.28 | sevenfourk | it's like owning a lot of cars and driving just one every day |
| 04:00.37 | damaxus | its the default behavior |
| 04:00.51 | sevenfourk | I usually remove old ones |
| 04:01.06 | sevenfourk | after successfuly start, of course |
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| 04:01.29 | sevenfourk | s/successfuly/successful |
| 04:01.41 | somiaj | I like to keep the stable one around when using one from backports. But the kernel + the headers if you install those (optional) isn't that big of a package |
| 04:02.28 | sevenfourk | yeah, that's the way you may not have your system to be broken |
| 04:02.30 | somiaj | if you are having space issues I would look eslewhere for the culprit |
| 04:03.02 | sevenfourk | his guess was some kind of a blind pick |
| 04:03.24 | somiaj | du -h /var/cache/apt/archives -- see how much downloaded packges you have |
| 04:03.52 | damaxus | somiaj: / might just be boot and a few other things |
| 04:04.01 | damaxus | so it may be necessary to focus on kernels |
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| 04:04.29 | damaxus | somiaj: http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/11/how-to-remove-unused-old-kernels-on.html and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-kernel.en.html (section 10.5) should be of use |
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| 04:21.06 | Juest | How i kill a D process? |
| 04:21.34 | Juest | and why apt is stuck on 1105 of 1116? |
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| 04:21.53 | Juest | it seems like Get stuck |
| 04:22.01 | nsadmin | disk space? |
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| 04:22.47 | Juest | nsadmin: no, 160gb free, and apt say less than 1gb |
| 04:23.10 | nsadmin | specifically, apt downloads packages to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:23.11 | Juest | 150gb partition actually |
| 04:23.34 | nsadmin | it's downloading, yes? |
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| 04:23.39 | Juest | and how i get packages to download list? |
| 04:23.50 | pclov3r | Any idea where i can get the source to coretemp to compile a kernel mod? |
| 04:23.50 | Juest | yes, but no get msg on syslog |
| 04:24.10 | Juest | the last get is 1104 |
| 04:24.17 | pclov3r | i'm running 2.6.32-5 and there is no coretemp support |
| 04:24.33 | nsadmin | ok, you can interrupt aptitude if it's downloading |
| 04:24.35 | Juest | and gui says retrieving 1115 |
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| 04:25.30 | Juest | nsadmin: and where i get the packages? should i finish install? or it will result in error and i can redo? |
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| 04:25.49 | Juest | nsadmin: it's on netinstall |
| 04:25.56 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:25.58 | nsadmin | dodm |
| 04:26.01 | Juest | ? |
| 04:26.12 | Juest | so? |
| 04:26.17 | Juest | what i do? |
| 04:26.19 | nsadmin | didn't realize that |
| 04:26.22 | Juest | kill aptitude? |
| 04:26.52 | nsadmin | do you see your overall network activity? |
| 04:26.57 | Juest | no |
| 04:27.14 | nsadmin | oh, how are you connecting? |
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| 04:27.49 | Juest | lol, configured it, im connecting to irc from smartphone |
| 04:28.28 | nsadmin | how are you connecting for package download? |
| 04:28.42 | nsadmin | also thru the phone? |
| 04:29.06 | Juest | lol, LAN, network config with indtaller |
| 04:29.14 | Juest | installer* |
| 04:29.40 | nsadmin | ok, can you see the router on the lan? its activity light? |
| 04:30.02 | nsadmin | that's one way to know something somewhere is happening somehow |
| 04:30.04 | Juest | well, im directly in internet, using a switch |
| 04:30.25 | Juest | i can see it activity |
| 04:30.47 | Juest | but probably is caused by isp isp |
| 04:31.09 | Juest | so, no real activity i guess.... |
| 04:31.25 | Juest | nsadmin |
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| 04:32.39 | Juest | that's it, lag |
| 04:32.44 | Juest | probably |
| 04:33.03 | nsadmin | I see, so overall you're seeing some activity and you don't necessarily know what it is (whether isp or something in your lan), the last package it tried to get is about 10 from the last, and that describes your present situation? |
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| 04:33.33 | Juest | i don't get it, but i gueds |
| 04:33.36 | Juest | guess* |
| 04:33.45 | Juest | it's doing nothing |
| 04:34.09 | Juest | it's like stuck of what package to download |
| 04:34.26 | AlexLikeRock | how can i change my wallpaper everi XX time on gnome3? |
| 04:34.30 | nsadmin | is there something you can put on the lan to check connectivity? |
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| 04:34.53 | Juest | well, is not lan, im behind a switch, i told you |
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| 04:35.20 | nsadmin | can you put something else on the same side of the switch as your debian install? |
| 04:35.56 | Juest | how i figure my ip? |
| 04:36.17 | Juest | btw, i have chroot to the target.... |
| 04:36.22 | Juest | can* |
| 04:36.33 | nsadmin | go to second vd (alt-F2) |
| 04:36.47 | Juest | Yea, i got a cli already |
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| 04:36.48 | nsadmin | does it say "hit enter to activate"? |
| 04:37.02 | nsadmin | ok, try ifconfig |
| 04:37.03 | Juest | no, i said i have cli already |
| 04:37.30 | Juest | you try, 190.105.167.8 |
| 04:37.44 | AlexLikeRock | start her http://wiki.debian.org/Network |
| 04:37.57 | Juest | ? |
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| 04:38.22 | Juest | Network is ok, is aptitude stuck |
| 04:38.30 | Juest | it's * |
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| 04:38.54 | nsadmin | oh, if you have a shell prompt, try ping yahoo.com |
| 04:39.09 | Juest | Ping works, tried already |
| 04:39.45 | AlexLikeRock | http://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Client |
| 04:39.53 | nsadmin | ok, that's good... on alt-F1 is there a way to cancel? |
| 04:40.06 | nsadmin | I'm just asking the question |
| 04:40.11 | nsadmin | not asking you to |
| 04:40.12 | Juest | umm.., nothing is giving me a solution |
| 04:40.12 | nsadmin | yet |
| 04:40.24 | Juest | btw, im on expertgui |
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| 04:40.31 | sickgut | hello, i am running debian squeeze, but i am having trouble finding some web tv software like freetuxtv (freetuxtv is available for wheezy and sid, not squeeze). Can anyone suggest some other program that is kind of like freetuxtv but is available for squeeze? |
| 04:40.33 | Juest | No Cancel |
| 04:40.49 | nsadmin | ok |
| 04:40.54 | Juest | sickgut: probably you can build it |
| 04:40.58 | nsadmin | which release is this an install for? |
| 04:41.42 | Juest | nsadmin: should i kill aptitude and will it fail and give me a try to start it over? |
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| 04:41.53 | sickgut | k ill try to compile it |
| 04:41.56 | nsadmin | that's what I'm thinking |
| 04:41.59 | Juest | Squeeze, netinstall |
| 04:42.08 | Juest | .. |
| 04:42.09 | Juest | . |
| 04:42.22 | nsadmin | before you do any of that... |
| 04:42.34 | nsadmin | I get curious as to where it downloaded the packages |
| 04:42.43 | Juest | lol, using US mirror |
| 04:43.08 | Juest | Debian official mirror |
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| 04:43.17 | nsadmin | I mean where on your machine, are they in /target/var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 04:43.27 | Juest | it haves ~183ms ping |
| 04:43.31 | Juest | probably |
| 04:43.38 | Juest | i tjink so |
| 04:43.51 | nsadmin | that seems slow, but that'snot definitive |
| 04:43.57 | Juest | most of the install is chroots |
| 04:43.59 | nsadmin | could you check? |
| 04:44.04 | Juest | ? |
| 04:44.12 | Juest | what thing? |
| 04:44.33 | nsadmin | go to the cli, and see if you see lots of .debs |
| 04:44.38 | Juest | ok |
| 04:44.43 | nsadmin | in /target/var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 04:46.03 | nsadmin | if not there try |
| 04:46.12 | nsadmin | in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:46.52 | Juest | Yes |
| 04:47.09 | Juest | so it's almost done, they dloaded |
| 04:47.20 | Juest | ofc thsy did! |
| 04:47.23 | Juest | clxD |
| 04:47.31 | Juest | nsadmin |
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| 04:47.53 | AlexLikeRock | how to change periodically the wallpaper under Gnome 3 |
| 04:47.57 | AlexLikeRock | how to change periodically the wallpaper under Gnome 3?? |
| 04:48.37 | Juest | AlexLikeRock: there's no way, unless u use the sets that have clock icon |
| 04:49.20 | Juest | nsadmin: what'sthe point of the debs? |
| 04:49.32 | Juest | Obviously they dloaded |
| 04:49.43 | Juest | so? |
| 04:49.46 | nsadmin | those are what are gonna be installed |
| 04:49.50 | Juest | yeah |
| 04:49.55 | Juest | so!? |
| 04:50.00 | nsadmin | which dir are they in? |
| 04:50.09 | AlexLikeRock | juest what "sets"? |
| 04:50.27 | Juest | in target, because installation chroots there |
| 04:50.45 | Juest | AlexLikeRock: the icons, actually |
| 04:50.49 | nsadmin | gotcha, so they are in /target/var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:51.00 | Juest | Yes |
| 04:51.28 | nsadmin | you may wish to back them up so that you could place them there instead of redownloading |
| 04:51.42 | Juest | btw, i have two processes in D state |
| 04:52.05 | Juest | then how i install all them in one shot? |
| 04:52.43 | Juest | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.20 | nsadmin | maybe you could put them (INCLUDING /target/var/cache/apt/archives/partial) away somewhere, then start the install again, copy them back |
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| 04:53.39 | nsadmin | I dunno if you want to do this, but if you have to restart it could save you some time |
| 04:53.50 | Juest | should i restart install or kill apt? |
| 04:54.02 | Juest | aptitude* |
| 04:54.03 | nsadmin | I dunno what else to do |
| 04:54.20 | nsadmin | we've ruled out any network problems |
| 04:54.34 | nsadmin | ruled out interfaces and cables |
| 04:54.45 | Juest | Will a kill make step fail and give me a chance? |
| 04:54.57 | Juest | ... |
| 04:55.07 | nsadmin | that's a good thought |
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| 04:55.23 | pclov3r | is there a backport for the nivida propitary driver? |
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| 04:55.34 | Juest | so, what i do? |
| 04:55.34 | pclov3r | for the 3.2 kernel |
| 04:56.02 | Juest | Why squeeze is 2.6? GRRRR |
| 04:56.30 | nsadmin | would you be willing to start over and have the netinstall only install "standard" from the task selector? |
| 04:56.43 | Juest | ? |
| 04:57.25 | Juest | well, i don't want to restart again, a pain cuz i have to format because of install base system step |
| 04:57.27 | Juest | Doh |
| 04:57.51 | Juest | well, what i can do? |
| 04:58.05 | nsadmin | you would have to set up the partitions |
| 04:58.13 | Juest | alot of time and it still stuck |
| 04:58.31 | nsadmin | and, it will see they were formatted |
| 04:58.36 | Juest | Yes, that's why nsadmin, i will have to start over :( |
| 04:58.47 | Juest | Yes, but it won't mount |
| 04:59.15 | Juest | well, i mount, but it comes a warning on the install base system |
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| 04:59.26 | Juest | and it will fail |
| 04:59.44 | nsadmin | if you install less packages, it might succeed |
| 05:00.08 | nsadmin | in fact if you install only base, then reboot to install the rest, you'd be up sooner |
| 05:00.12 | Juest | damn, but it doesn't let me choose but in categories |
| 05:00.33 | Juest | and idk what's the rest! |
| 05:00.35 | nsadmin | as you knw this is an extreme action... ask the others for advice first |
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| 05:00.39 | Juest | Dann |
| 05:00.45 | Juest | Damm |
| 05:00.49 | Juest | lol |
| 05:00.51 | nsadmin | you can run tasksel afterward |
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| 05:01.14 | Juest | well, i just want to find a way to finish right here |
| 05:01.38 | Juest | ... |
| 05:01.50 | nsadmin | you could try your "kill apt"idea |
| 05:01.52 | Juest | So? |
| 05:01.53 | Juest | ok |
| 05:02.31 | Juest | imma kill tasksel actually |
| 05:02.57 | nsadmin | I'd still like you to consider mounting an extrapartition and putting the debs and partial/ there |
| 05:03.24 | Juest | Which process is the father of tasksel? |
| 05:03.33 | simonlnu | that'd be a good idea, if anything just to keep from re-downloading that stuff |
| 05:03.39 | simonlnu | Juest: look for PPID |
| 05:03.46 | Juest | so, how do i do? |
| 05:03.50 | nsadmin | maybe the installer gui |
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| 05:04.03 | simonlnu | and in the jargon, it's 'parent', not 'father' |
| 05:04.21 | Juest | lol |
| 05:04.30 | simonlnu | (just so people know what you're referring to in the future :) |
| 05:04.58 | nsadmin | int hooz_yer_daddy(int pid) |
| 05:05.01 | Juest | What's the parent pid column? |
| 05:05.07 | simonlnu | nsadmin: hehe |
| 05:05.18 | simonlnu | Juest: in top it's not shown by default |
| 05:05.22 | Juest | which * |
| 05:05.24 | Juest | on ps |
| 05:05.47 | Juest | .... |
| 05:05.49 | Juest | hey |
| 05:06.13 | LtL | Juest: first |
| 05:06.31 | Juest | LtL: mm?? |
| 05:07.00 | Juest | What? |
| 05:07.08 | simonlnu | first column |
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| 05:07.15 | LtL | Juest: first column is the pid |
| 05:07.21 | Juest | oh |
| 05:07.31 | Juest | Yes |
| 05:07.33 | Juest | and? |
| 05:07.48 | Juest | How i find out parent pid in ps? |
| 05:07.53 | simonlnu | that's not shown in ps auxw. he wants the PPID |
| 05:07.58 | LtL | i have not been following |
| 05:08.13 | simonlnu | do ps -ef, then it's the 2nd |
| 05:08.15 | Juest | or how do pstree? |
| 05:08.47 | nsadmin | I don't see a ppid col in ps aux |
| 05:09.26 | simonlnu | whoah, the help changed a lot in the wheezy/sid version |
| 05:09.45 | simonlnu | it does with -ef |
| 05:09.58 | Juest | i see whos the main ;) |
| 05:10.10 | Juest | how i tree kill? |
| 05:10.37 | nsadmin | you want to kill a whole subtree?? |
| 05:10.58 | Juest | Yes, all children |
| 05:11.23 | Juest | Tadah, got it |
| 05:11.34 | Juest | now i can retry |
| 05:11.37 | Juest | xD |
| 05:11.46 | simonlnu | heh |
| 05:12.18 | Juest | i wonder why now i see OK entries |
| 05:12.32 | simonlnu | what's their status? |
| 05:12.35 | Juest | lol? |
| 05:12.46 | simonlnu | S, Z, R, etc. |
| 05:12.51 | Juest | it only says OK |
| 05:12.57 | Juest | simonlnu: lol |
| 05:13.01 | simonlnu | no, state, running state |
| 05:13.13 | nsadmin | maybe their status is "mediocre" |
| 05:13.15 | Juest | i mean on the install |
| 05:14.10 | Juest | S, and seems like is still there but i made installation report fail |
| 05:14.21 | Juest | How i tree kill? |
| 05:14.41 | simonlnu | XXXXX nnnnn 0.0 0.0 9008 1488 ? S oct19 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd << e.g., here, it means it's sleeping, not active. (man ps) |
| 05:14.41 | Juest | . |
| 05:14.47 | Juest | lol |
| 05:15.16 | simonlnu | wonders what's so funny |
| 05:16.05 | Juest | :P |
| 05:16.09 | nsadmin | hes been trying to do this for a long time... maybe he's frustrated and zoomed out, seeing amusement |
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| 05:16.28 | simonlnu | oh, it matters which signal you send those processes, too. avoid -9/-KILL unless you have to |
| 05:16.30 | pclov3r | So no backport exists for the nvidia driver? |
| 05:16.36 | pclov3r | the propitarty one |
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| 05:17.02 | simonlnu | "proprietary" maybe? :) |
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| 05:17.10 | pclov3r | doesn't look like it |
| 05:17.25 | Juest | Ready, killed huerfan processes |
| 05:17.26 | pclov3r | and yes, |
| 05:17.26 | simonlnu | dunno about wheezy, but sid has |
| 05:17.36 | pclov3r | i need and want the propitarty driver |
| 05:17.51 | simonlnu | ,i xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 05:17.53 | judd | No package named 'xserver-xorg-video-nvidia' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 05:18.02 | simonlnu | ,i xserver-xorg-video-nvidia --release sid |
| 05:18.03 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (non-free/x11, optional) in sid/i386: NVIDIA binary Xorg driver. Version: 304.48-2; Size: 1981.8k; Installed: 12283k; Homepage: http://www.nvidia.com |
| 05:18.03 | Juest | .. |
| 05:18.09 | Juest | So? |
| 05:18.12 | Juest | nsadmin |
| 05:18.28 | pclov3r | simonlnu, is that wheezy? |
| 05:18.36 | simonlnu | no |
| 05:18.40 | simonlnu | ,i xserver-xorg-video-nvidia --release wheezy |
| 05:18.41 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (non-free/x11, optional) in wheezy/i386: NVIDIA binary Xorg driver. Version: 304.48-1; Size: 1980.8k; Installed: 12283k; Homepage: http://www.nvidia.com |
| 05:18.47 | Juest | uhhhhhhh |
| 05:19.06 | pclov3r | that should work with the 3.2 kernel? |
| 05:19.11 | pclov3r | backport |
| 05:19.27 | simonlnu | the one in wheezy yes. there's a package for the kernel mod |
| 05:19.36 | Juest | Dang, installer crash |
| 05:19.43 | pclov3r | okay |
| 05:19.46 | pclov3r | need coretemp |
| 05:19.50 | pclov3r | thats my main problem |
| 05:19.56 | pclov3r | 2.6.32-5 doesn't have it |
| 05:20.03 | simonlnu | ,i nvidia-kernel-dkms --release wheezy |
| 05:20.03 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms (non-free/kernel, optional) in wheezy/i386: NVIDIA binary kernel module DKMS source. Version: 304.48-1; Size: 6704.3k; Installed: 26712k; Homepage: http://www.nvidia.com |
| 05:20.24 | simonlnu | ,i nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-686-pae --release wheezy |
| 05:20.25 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-686-pae' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 05:20.25 | pclov3r | wonder when wheezy comes out? |
| 05:20.58 | simonlnu | as soon as the number of rc bugs is satisfactory enough for the release team |
| 05:21.10 | pclov3r | wonder how long that will be |
| 05:21.12 | simonlnu | and they say, "make it so!" |
| 05:21.40 | Juest | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.44 | pclov3r | How would i run a script after x starts? |
| 05:22.05 | Juest | why grub is legacy? |
| 05:22.08 | simonlnu | stick it in .xsession or .xinitrc |
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| 05:22.22 | simonlnu | Juest: because that's grub1 |
| 05:22.23 | Juest | why debian uses such old software/backports!? |
| 05:22.37 | pclov3r | Why is debian so stable? |
| 05:22.38 | Juest | Legacy is not support |
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| 05:22.43 | Juest | lol |
| 05:22.45 | simonlnu | grub2 is without the legacy |
| 05:22.58 | simonlnu | !sns |
| 05:23.00 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 05:23.05 | Juest | umm, |
| 05:23.08 | Juest | WTF |
| 05:23.20 | pclov3r | lmao |
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| 05:23.44 | Juest | actually i don't mind |
| 05:23.48 | pclov3r | I wonder what is more stable CentOS or Debian? |
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| 05:24.05 | Juest | but for me debian seems to be old software |
| 05:24.08 | pclov3r | both seem very close |
| 05:24.13 | simonlnu | pff, i couldn't answer that. i only hear stuff second hand |
| 05:24.16 | Juest | 2.6 kernel, etc |
| 05:25.02 | simonlnu | Juest: i'd rather have stable software that doesn't crash than have a crashy server. |
| 05:25.13 | Juest | lol |
| 05:25.28 | simonlnu | "gee, the thing hits a bit of load, and it dies" |
| 05:25.34 | Juest | Why no KMS? |
| 05:25.41 | simonlnu | !kms |
| 05:25.42 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 05:26.11 | simonlnu | (i.e., it's there) |
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| 05:27.15 | Juest | i have radeon hd 6250 |
| 05:27.35 | Cyclohexane | Juest: still struggling? :p |
| 05:27.37 | simonlnu | !radeon |
| 05:27.39 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 05:28.12 | Juest | Yeah, at least im inst done, but still packages missing |
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| 05:29.50 | simonlnu | fyi, those <foo> things in the bot's factoids are other factoids you can ask the bot about in /msg |
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| 05:32.02 | Juest | How i install in one shot ftom files? |
| 05:32.08 | Juest | from * |
| 05:32.28 | Juest | Hey |
| 05:32.42 | LtL | Juest: dpkg -i packagename |
| 05:32.56 | Juest | can it accept wildcards? |
| 05:33.00 | LtL | no |
| 05:33.05 | Juest | Uhhhhhh |
| 05:33.14 | Juest | how do i do then? |
| 05:33.49 | LtL | i have no idea what you are missing Juest |
| 05:34.17 | Juest | i have alot of debs ready to install |
| 05:34.25 | LtL | Juest: do you have net |
| 05:35.10 | Juest | Yes, but i had finished installation and i had canceled download because it got stuxk |
| 05:35.14 | Juest | stuck |
| 05:35.14 | LtL | Juest: start installing, read errors, install depends first |
| 05:35.18 | Juest | and Yes |
| 05:35.35 | Juest | and damn, i think i lost syslog or something |
| 05:35.46 | Juest | syslog said |
| 05:36.01 | Juest | Started task sel |
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| 05:38.09 | simonlnu | yes it can |
| 05:38.21 | Juest | lol, |
| 05:38.25 | pclov3r | hum .xinitrc ddidnt' work |
| 05:38.31 | pclov3r | so i used .xprofile and it worked |
| 05:39.03 | simonlnu | ok |
| 05:39.18 | pclov3r | it was commands to set the fan speeds |
| 05:39.19 | pclov3r | of my video cards |
| 05:39.40 | Juest | btw, i don't know to use aptitude |
| 05:39.46 | Juest | how i start sshd? |
| 05:39.57 | pclov3r | service sshd start? |
| 05:40.13 | Juest | Not recognized |
| 05:40.17 | simonlnu | service ssh start |
| 05:40.28 | pclov3r | is it sshd or ssh on debain? |
| 05:40.39 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 05:40.40 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 05:40.45 | Juest | Fake stat |
| 05:40.49 | nsadmin | j/k |
| 05:41.01 | Juest | ...... |
| 05:41.08 | Juest | so? |
| 05:41.19 | pclov3r | ! sns |
| 05:41.20 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 05:41.21 | Juest | anyone? |
| 05:41.22 | pclov3r | i love that lol |
| 05:41.26 | Juest | Doh |
| 05:41.34 | Juest | JUST TELL ME |
| 05:41.38 | LtL | pclov3r: ssh |
| 05:41.45 | nsadmin | 42! |
| 05:41.46 | Juest | how to start sshs? |
| 05:41.49 | pclov3r | you see what CentOS has done to me lol |
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| 05:42.03 | simonlnu | 'service ssh start' |
| 05:42.16 | nsadmin | aptitude install openssh-server first? |
| 05:42.18 | Juest | simonlnu: says fake start |
| 05:42.21 | simonlnu | i prefer invoke-rc.d, personally |
| 05:42.42 | simonlnu | you're probably still in the installer, or has installer binaries still there |
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| 05:43.18 | Juest | i don't know how to use aptitude |
| 05:43.25 | Juest | -.- |
| 05:43.27 | Juest | darn |
| 05:43.39 | nsadmin | whatg's the status of your install? |
| 05:43.49 | Juest | at least it's installing |
| 05:43.57 | nsadmin | are you still in the installer, or ? |
| 05:44.07 | Juest | done Finish and gone :P |
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| 05:44.29 | nsadmin | so you;'re rebooted into your new debian? |
| 05:44.32 | Juest | Ye |
| 05:44.48 | nsadmin | great! that deserves congratulations |
| 05:44.53 | Juest | lol |
| 05:44.57 | Juest | Haaard |
| 05:45.12 | nsadmin | it's the truth :P |
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| 05:45.40 | Juest | and im not familiar with cli btw |
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| 05:45.51 | Juest | not with aptitude |
| 05:45.56 | Juest | Duuhhh |
| 05:46.08 | nsadmin | aptitude install openssh-server |
| 05:46.22 | Juest | lol, i used tasksel |
| 05:46.40 | nsadmin | is tasksel running now? |
| 05:46.59 | Juest | Yes, aptitude |
| 05:47.11 | pclov3r | i keep seing Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 05:47.14 | pclov3r | should i worry about it? |
| 05:47.38 | Juest | ... |
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| 05:47.43 | Juest | eh |
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| 05:48.15 | Juest | nsadmin |
| 05:49.02 | nsadmin | what I'm asking you now, is: is tasksel running? or did it finish? |
| 05:49.22 | Juest | its running |
| 05:49.37 | Juest | im on aptitude |
| 05:49.46 | Juest | doing what it didn't do |
| 05:50.00 | Juest | i |
| 05:50.11 | nsadmin | oh ok... if it's installing, you can't run another one (it grabs a lock so you can't) |
| 05:50.11 | Juest | doing what i interrupted * |
| 05:50.15 | Juest | lol |
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| 05:50.21 | nsadmin | and that's working? |
| 05:50.25 | Juest | and i saved archive.... |
| 05:50.26 | Juest | lol |
| 05:50.30 | Juest | ye |
| 05:50.31 | nsadmin | great |
| 05:50.32 | Juest | lol |
| 05:50.56 | nsadmin | when it's done, you may still need to install openssh-server |
| 05:55.18 | nsadmin | just let it finish... you can't do any package installs while tasksel has that lock |
| 05:55.19 | Juest | it will install.... |
| 05:55.54 | nsadmin | maybe tasksel will install ssh and openssh-server as part of what it's doing now |
| 05:56.22 | nsadmin | and since you have a live debian now, as soon as it configures the package, it will start it by itself |
| 05:56.28 | Juest | Yes |
| 05:56.42 | Juest | SSH category is choosen |
| 05:57.20 | nsadmin | ok, it should be done soon then |
| 05:57.50 | Juest | Better ssh me to finish this? |
| 05:58.00 | Juest | Holy pain debian is givin |
| 05:58.47 | nsadmin | well I'll have to tell ya... the more you learn the less pain you go thru |
| 05:59.29 | Juest | Yes, im too new into ye old stable software/backpotrs |
| 05:59.35 | Juest | im a fedora user |
| 05:59.36 | ZekeS | Could be worse - went to install testing on my old ibook the week they broke installing pata_macio. The installer and bootloader worked fine, but once the kernel tried to take over >.> |
| 06:00.05 | nsadmin | is that a ide controller driver? |
| 06:00.14 | Juest | Now wheezy=squeeze like? |
| 06:00.34 | nsadmin | wheezy is squeeze + 1 |
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| 06:00.39 | Juest | lol |
| 06:00.48 | Juest | but because it got frozen |
| 06:00.52 | Juest | im sayin |
| 06:01.10 | nsadmin | they want to turn wheezy upside down to shake out the bugs |
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| 06:01.37 | Juest | weh, wat i do? Paaaaain! |
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| 06:02.06 | nsadmin | since you used fedora, I assume you know something about what dirs have what stuff? |
| 06:02.14 | Juest | Yes, at least |
| 06:02.27 | Juest | and had experienced apt, on Ubuntu |
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| 06:03.09 | Juest | installing debian on ext hdd as backup os lol |
| 06:03.10 | ZekeS | nsadmin: yeah - ppc macs require that module to use the hdds. |
| 06:03.36 | Juest | ZekeS: macbook before intel? |
| 06:03.38 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 06:03.46 | nsadmin | yep |
| 06:04.14 | Juest | wait, is that MacBook from before intel i mean |
| 06:04.15 | Juest | ? |
| 06:04.19 | ZekeS | nsadmin: aside from that I found the debian install relatively painless though (I've also used Ubuntu Server and Arch. Picked Debian for this as it seemed to be the best binary distribution that still supported PPC32. For the most part it was a wise decision :) |
| 06:04.28 | nsadmin | Juest, yes |
| 06:04.35 | nsadmin | it's a ppc macbook |
| 06:05.10 | ZekeS | Juest: yeah, it's an ibook g3 clamshell (Oh right, one other thing: dear Debian packagers - there has been a bug about needing a ppc mplayer without altivec instructions for ages :/) |
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| 06:05.33 | Juest | ZekeS: i had too much pain with netinstaller struggled today alot |
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| 06:06.19 | Juest | ~15 startovers PHEW! |
| 06:06.53 | ZekeS | Rebuilding mplayer takes approximately forever on this thing :/ | Juest: ouch, hope you were able to at least use something useful from the experience :/ |
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| 06:07.53 | Juest | Yeah, finally now i finished netinst and doing tasksel because apt got stuck in select and install..... |
| 06:08.29 | Juest | ended up killing and hitting finish after inst app crash |
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| 06:10.23 | Juest | do grub tune work? |
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| 06:11.36 | Juest | ... |
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| 06:15.27 | ZekeS | ... welp, wonder how much static linking would bloat binary size ... |
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| 06:18.43 | Juest | umm, still doing :P |
| 06:19.22 | Juest | Hey |
| 06:19.39 | ZekeS | wb Juest |
| 06:19.46 | Juest | :P |
| 06:20.18 | Juest | just to know, where's SSH config? |
| 06:20.34 | Juest | and menu.lst in /boot/grub? |
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| 06:21.31 | nsadmin | menu.lst is regenerated by update-grub |
| 06:21.46 | Juest | ok.. |
| 06:23.20 | Juest | Hey |
| 06:23.32 | Juest | nsadmin |
| 06:23.41 | nsadmin | when you install a kernel it automatically regenerates that file |
| 06:23.47 | Juest | lol ok |
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| 06:23.53 | jagginess | Juest, ?????????? |
| 06:23.56 | Juest | and where's SSH config? |
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| 06:24.02 | jagginess | Juest, what makes you think ssh's config has anything to do with grub? |
| 06:24.25 | Juest | Nothing, it's just a question, unrelated |
| 06:24.34 | jagginess | well ask 1 question at a tim! |
| 06:24.36 | nsadmin | he's asking about maybe 2 - 5 things at once to keep us hoppin |
| 06:24.37 | jagginess | time! |
| 06:24.38 | Juest | and do grub beeps actually work? |
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| 06:24.51 | jagginess | Juest, ave maria |
| 06:25.05 | Juest | Yea, Get the rhythm |
| 06:25.06 | jagginess | Juest, you should listen to Katherine Jenkins.. she sings really nice |
| 06:25.11 | Juest | lol |
| 06:25.14 | nsadmin | he's fairly demanding too :P |
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| 06:25.19 | jagginess | :) |
| 06:25.28 | Juest | just tell me, do grub beeps work? |
| 06:25.44 | nsadmin | grubeep! |
| 06:25.52 | jagginess | Juest, that pretty girl was also on Dancing with the stars.. (nice) |
| 06:26.06 | Juest | Yeah, is that the command nsadmin? |
| 06:26.09 | jagginess | apt-cache search Katherine Jenkins |
| 06:26.11 | Juest | jagginess: WTF |
| 06:26.59 | Juest | What gnome it got? |
| 06:27.16 | Juest | which kde and which xfce and lxde? |
| 06:27.19 | nsadmin | lawn gnomes |
| 06:27.30 | Juest | lolwat? |
| 06:27.31 | Juest | cmon |
| 06:27.42 | Juest | don't joke me please |
| 06:28.00 | Juest | Guys |
| 06:28.06 | nsadmin | ok, http://packages.debian.org |
| 06:28.11 | AlexLikeRock | how to add gatget for twitter foar a gnome3 ? |
| 06:28.55 | jagginess | Juest, if you change your name to KatherineJenkins, I will help you |
| 06:29.01 | jagginess | :) |
| 06:29.02 | Juest | lol |
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| 06:29.07 | Juest | Sure? |
| 06:29.14 | jagginess | maybe |
| 06:29.29 | Katherine_Jenkin | lol |
| 06:29.30 | jagginess | life is about risks right :) |
| 06:29.40 | jagginess | you added an underscore.. you broked the rules |
| 06:29.49 | jagginess | too late :) |
| 06:29.58 | KatherineJenkins | <--jagginess |
| 06:30.01 | KatherineJenkins | Cmon |
| 06:30.03 | jagginess | you see.. you don't listen Juest.. Ask 1 question at a time |
| 06:30.06 | KatherineJenkins | Sorry for that |
| 06:30.25 | jagginess | and you have a problem following directions too :) (even the girl i'm in love with) |
| 06:30.28 | KatherineJenkins | for the nick thing, lol |
| 06:30.34 | jagginess | that was a test |
| 06:30.45 | jagginess | and i can see you have a problem following a simple task! :) |
| 06:31.05 | KatherineJenkins | heh, dude, i don't have aa prob, just like to have fun :P, but i really follow |
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| 06:32.09 | Juest | eth |
| 06:32.11 | Juest | ummm |
| 06:32.32 | jagginess | apt-cache searches sane people with sane questions(sic)/question |
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| 06:34.24 | jagginess | wonders if he should ask Juest to use his name as Peeweeherman but decide he wouldn't. |
| 06:34.29 | jagginess | ssh'ds config is in /etc/ssh |
| 06:34.32 | Juest | hehe |
| 06:34.51 | jagginess | (that's 1 question answered) -- list of ssh's relevant files can be found with -> dpkg -L opensssh-server<enter> |
| 06:34.59 | jagginess | (i'll be taking a break now :) |
| 06:35.04 | Juest | k, thk |
| 06:35.44 | jagginess | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard |
| 06:35.52 | aidalgol | Why would Iceweasel be making connections to servers for which I don't have any tabs open? |
| 06:36.21 | nsadmin | truthfully you try to pressure people into doing what you want... here, that's not so welcome, we're all volunteers and we can help if we want |
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| 06:37.25 | itsrachelfish | hey #debian, you guys are smart in here, right? |
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| 06:37.30 | ZekeS | no |
| 06:37.32 | nsadmin | nope |
| 06:37.32 | itsrachelfish | oh. |
| 06:37.39 | itsrachelfish | oh well, probably still smarter than #ubuntu |
| 06:37.39 | nsadmin | dumb as a rpcl |
| 06:37.59 | nsadmin | nope, ubuntu is only as dumb as a prawn |
| 06:38.08 | itsrachelfish | I opened my laptop to find myself at a black screen |
| 06:38.13 | itsrachelfish | my mouse moves around but I can't log back in |
| 06:38.16 | Juest | debian= Ubuntu's grand father |
| 06:38.26 | itsrachelfish | normally I just kill gnome-session and that restarts everything |
| 06:38.34 | itsrachelfish | but that's annoying, I don't want to open everything back up |
| 06:38.36 | Juest | lol |
| 06:38.47 | Juest | itsrachelfish: xkill? |
| 06:38.58 | nsadmin | so, something controlled by gnome-session is somehow blanking the screen |
| 06:39.06 | Juest | itsrachelfish: kill screenserver |
| 06:39.09 | itsrachelfish | I also tried killing yeah |
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| 06:39.13 | nsadmin | see? dumb as a rock |
| 06:39.34 | Juest | itsrachelfish: dude, it's not session gnome-screensaver |
| 06:39.43 | itsrachelfish | Yes I killed that already |
| 06:39.44 | Juest | itsrachelfish ^^^^ also |
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| 06:40.20 | nsadmin | itsrachelfish, don't take it to heart, just got out of a session where there was a lot of overwhelm and pressure |
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| 06:42.38 | Juest | u don't know how to use aptitude! !! |
| 06:42.42 | Juest | i* |
| 06:42.47 | Juest | lol |
| 06:42.53 | ZekeS | You'll learn |
| 06:43.04 | Juest | wtf |
| 06:43.56 | Juest | rsyslogd not available , why? |
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| 06:45.13 | Juest | no kms still :( |
| 06:45.31 | Juest | Still missing packages help me? |
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| 06:46.41 | Juest | guys |
| 06:46.46 | otend | ...and, for some reason, I can't manage to get MPD to read my music library |
| 06:46.48 | otend | fun. |
| 06:47.57 | Juest | i need help here, there's stuff not installed still, help me |
| 06:48.00 | nsadmin | Juest, first, I want for you, that you can run what you want. |
| 06:48.21 | nsadmin | what I want for me is no more pressure |
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| 06:48.40 | Juest | nsadmin: well, it's the last thing, |
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| 06:48.45 | nsadmin | I feel your want for information way too strong |
| 06:48.59 | Juest | lol |
| 06:49.06 | Juest | cannot start ssh still |
| 06:49.22 | nsadmin | try telnet localhost 22 |
| 06:49.25 | Juest | and services fail to start still |
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| 06:50.11 | Juest | telnet is not installed, worse |
| 06:50.17 | nsadmin | so, is debian what you want to run? |
| 06:50.30 | Juest | Yes, is what i got |
| 06:50.53 | Hanmac | hy i have a question about dpkg ... is it possible to grep all installed lib*-dev packages and mark the libs that they require as "automatic installed"? |
| 06:51.15 | nsadmin | ok, there's an awful lot of stuff under the hood |
| 06:51.24 | Juest | the other thing i got is fedora 16, but i don't want to install to do 16 -> 17 upgrade -.- |
| 06:51.54 | pclov3r | how would you disable xrandr? |
| 06:51.59 | Juest | nsadmin: what i got to do? |
| 06:52.00 | nsadmin | and you don't need to know all of it right now, and you're pulling really hard... truthfully, I can't hang |
| 06:52.19 | nsadmin | spend about 2 weeks learning the basics |
| 06:52.22 | Juest | so what i do? |
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| 06:52.26 | nsadmin | then see where you are |
| 06:52.47 | Juest | im in the top of the iceberg |
| 06:53.03 | nsadmin | the desire I see more than anything else is you want control over your env |
| 06:53.43 | nsadmin | you need to invest time in order to slowly build control |
| 06:53.47 | Juest | yes, too bad packages don't seem to install or whatever on here ..... |
| 06:53.51 | nsadmin | we all had to do it |
| 06:54.04 | nsadmin | do you want to use debian? |
| 06:54.08 | Juest | well, idk how to use aptitude :( |
| 06:54.17 | nsadmin | you can use apt-get |
| 06:54.19 | Juest | Yes, it's what i got, sadly |
| 06:54.31 | nsadmin | are you saying you are sad? |
| 06:54.37 | Juest | lol |
| 06:54.41 | Juest | no |
| 06:54.53 | Juest | and i prefer a package manager .. |
| 06:55.25 | nsadmin | not sure what that means; you have lots |
| 06:55.50 | Juest | X works but in 4:3 res, what do i do? (ran xinit) |
| 06:56.24 | nsadmin | you need time to discover stuff |
| 06:56.50 | nsadmin | you're pulling on people really hard, and they will just burn out, ignore you or both |
| 06:56.57 | Juest | text is too big on gui oh fie |
| 06:57.05 | Juest | so? |
| 06:57.10 | Juest | what i can do? |
| 06:57.18 | nsadmin | get to know what you have |
| 06:57.35 | nsadmin | learn your shell to start with |
| 06:57.52 | Juest | i know basic linux at least |
| 06:58.00 | nsadmin | that's where 90% of the expressive power of debian is |
| 06:58.02 | ZekeS | At some point, you will have to put forth the effort to sit down and actually parse the documentation given you. Debian's docs are really pretty good. (on that note off to the docs to figure out where in the heck -maltivec is coming from) |
| 06:58.28 | Juest | i don't like to read boring docs |
| 06:58.54 | nsadmin | so you know some of that, that's a good start... you need to build on that start, you need to DROP the habit of hard-edged begging for help, and go to the docs first |
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| 06:59.31 | Juest | very basic linux, and it's the GNU userland, not Debian's unquire one |
| 06:59.36 | nsadmin | not liking to read the docs, is something everyone goes through |
| 06:59.45 | Juest | well |
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| 06:59.59 | nsadmin | it's very common |
| 07:00.00 | Hanmac | can someone help me with my dpkg question? |
| 07:00.09 | cizra | Hi. I'm running Debian Stable (mostly, with a few mix-ins from backports and testing). I want to have a more recent Wine than 1.0. What are my options? I tried installing the multiarch wine:i386, and even got it to install (after lots of tinkering), but in the end the ALSA sound module failed to install, because the 64-bit libasound2 conflicts with the libasound2:i386. |
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| 07:01.04 | fprophet | not sure where to ask this question, but I am trying to change the desktop icon label of my xfce desktop but the .gtkrc-2.0 changes doesn't seem to apply |
| 07:02.03 | nsadmin | Hanmac, you can do things like that with aptitude |
| 07:03.19 | nsadmin | Juest, one thing that's very clear from what you are saying is you have CHOSEN debian |
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| 07:03.56 | nsadmin | (your machine, you can choose anything you want) |
| 07:04.06 | nsadmin | debian comes with stuff :) |
| 07:04.19 | Juest | yeah, because it's what i got :( |
| 07:04.26 | nsadmin | and it will take you time to get used to them |
| 07:04.34 | nsadmin | do you want something else? |
| 07:04.44 | damaxus | boring docs, eh? |
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| 07:05.07 | Juest | Why default got big fonts? |
| 07:05.08 | Hanmac | nsadmin, yeah but i need to do it with aptitude from hand right? i mean for each package extra? i am looking for some kind of shell script |
| 07:05.17 | damaxus | how much time have you spent on IRC that could've been spent going through a cohesive document to get you to a baseline? |
| 07:05.20 | nsadmin | it's less about docs and more about what he wants to run |
| 07:05.40 | Juest | how do i configure X properly? |
| 07:05.48 | nsadmin | Hanmac, I don't know the details, but aptitude can use wildcards and can do searches |
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| 07:09.57 | Juest | Where i find flavors meta packages? |
| 07:11.19 | Juest | eh |
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| 07:11.33 | pato83 | Juest: what do you want to do first. It is about priorities. |
| 07:11.57 | pato83 | Juest: finish one thing and than start the other |
| 07:12.06 | KsM | Does debian install suggests and recommends by default? |
| 07:12.28 | Juest | the last i say is what i want to do, im a multitasking user |
| 07:12.39 | pato83 | KsM: It can, but you are the boss of your system, so you can decide whether or not. |
| 07:13.08 | nsadmin | pato83, his first priority is to actually choose debian to the point he's willing to invest time to learn |
| 07:13.10 | KsM | Ah, I never actually noticed |
| 07:13.22 | nsadmin | just so ya know :) |
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| 07:13.45 | pato83 | nsadmin: I can see that very well. |
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| 07:15.34 | KsM | Also, how does byobu and other programs (notification things in in ubuntu and such) know when there are updated packages? Is there a (human-readable) file somewhere that lists what packages are outdated? |
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| 07:17.19 | pato83 | KsM: they most probably chceck servers in your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ in an time interval. |
| 07:18.01 | pato83 | KsM: in the background |
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| 07:23.53 | Hanmac | nsadmin i get the dev packages with ?and\(?installed,?name\(-dev\),?not\(?automatic\)\) ... now i need the lib that this package depends ... :/ |
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| 07:28.21 | nsadmin | just install the package |
| 07:28.28 | nsadmin | that's what depends are for |
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| 07:31.50 | apm1 | does sid have an efi installer like wheezy beta 3 ? |
| 07:32.02 | Hanmac | nsadmin the packages i want are installed, i yust want to mark them as automatic |
| 07:32.37 | apm1 | and are no dvd images for sid ? |
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| 07:33.39 | apm1 | i only found a business card and a netinstall images , now that might be an obstacle for me :( |
| 07:34.22 | nsadmin | are they not marked as automatic now? |
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| 07:36.09 | ompaul | apm1: bend with the wind - sid is there to test the installer not for you to install from - start with stable and dist-upgrade |
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| 07:36.52 | Hanmac | nsadmin yeah, thats my problem currnetly i get the list with aptitude search ?and\(?installed,?not\(?automatic\),?reverse-depends\(?and\(?installed,?name\(-dev\),?not\(?automatic\)\)\)\) |
| 07:36.53 | Hanmac | i only need an way to mark them as automatic |
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| 07:37.37 | apm1 | ompaul, so i must change the sources.list to sid repos and then "apt-get update " and "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 07:37.50 | ompaul | yes |
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| 07:38.30 | apm1 | ompaul, i must say that wouldn't have struck me on my own , thanks for the solution :) |
| 07:38.36 | ompaul | apm1: but using and supporting uefi at this point may be more interesting than you are willing to cope with, most people don't use it yet, so it is not well understood. Being on the bleeding edge and all alone is not a nice place. |
| 07:39.31 | apm1 | ompaul, the efi installer on testing beta 3 is great , i am typing this from my mac running beta 3 , booting via EFI :) |
| 07:40.05 | apm1 | ompaul, note EFI and UEFI are 2 distinct kinds of firmware :) |
| 07:40.51 | tinykuai | good |
| 07:40.59 | ompaul | ah I thought you'd missed the u when typing |
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| 07:42.37 | Colin969 | On VSFTPD: Have had it fine on CentOS before, but I can't seem to get it to let me login as root on Debian. Anyone got a config I can use? Mine seems to be a clusterfuck now. |
| 07:42.38 | apm1 | EFI = by apple , UEFI = the open firmware group and microsoft :) |
| 07:42.56 | fprophet | I'm getting "Failed to load module 'canberra-gtk-module' whenever I tried to open some applications. how do I fix this? |
| 07:43.11 | ompaul | well EFI is an intel thing from before 05 |
| 07:43.41 | ompaul | and you don't hear too much about it - apple I wouldn't give them money to shine my shoes cos they'd claim they owned my feet after that |
| 07:43.59 | ompaul | we supply isocks for your ifeet |
| 07:44.03 | apm1 | ompaul, yeah right but apple was the first to massproduce machines using it |
| 07:44.42 | Colin969 | Prophet, just missing http://puu.sh/1gHtd ? |
| 07:44.45 | ompaul | apm1: perhaps, but as you may have noticed from what something I implied I know nothing of apple and want to know less ;-) |
| 07:44.54 | apm1 | just like they hugely use thunderbolt which was designed and owned by intel in 2010-present , but it's only avalible on a mac |
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| 07:45.19 | apm1 | ompaul, sorry i was busy typing didn't notice |
| 07:45.31 | fprophet | colin969: I don't know |
| 07:45.41 | fprophet | colin969: how do I check |
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| 07:46.27 | Colin969 | apt-cache search keyword |
| 07:46.40 | Colin969 | Will bring up a list of packages containing it you can install. |
| 07:47.00 | Colin969 | That was just a list from apt-cache search canberra, is all. |
| 07:47.50 | Colin969 | Is anyone available to help me sort out my vsftpd.conf? |
| 07:47.59 | Colin969 | Im uploading it somewhere, one sec... |
| 07:50.13 | Colin969 | Trying to get it to allow root logins |
| 07:50.14 | Colin969 | http://pastebin.com/62w0PMPN |
| 07:50.42 | Colin969 | Keep getting a login incorrect error, have local_enable=YES though .-. |
| 07:50.44 | ompaul | Colin969: you insane? |
| 07:50.53 | Colin969 | You could say that |
| 07:50.55 | ompaul | use scp |
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| 07:51.05 | Colin969 | Its only between me and 2 other people |
| 07:51.16 | ompaul | if it is facing the internet you are asking for tonnes of abuse |
| 07:51.27 | Colin969 | Server doesnt even have a domain name, nobody else will be looking at it, so insecurity doesnt bother me. |
| 07:51.48 | nsadmin | he has intent... that's not insanity, that's something else :) |
| 07:52.02 | ompaul | nsadmin: you don't say ... oh wait |
| 07:52.28 | Colin969 | cant be that bad |
| 07:52.29 | nsadmin | I -do- say! |
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| 07:52.37 | Colin969 | Had to reinstall absolutly everything yesterday |
| 07:52.55 | ompaul | Colin969: fair nuf ... may I suggest that the other boxes get psftp or scp or rsync and sort it out for the others |
| 07:53.01 | Colin969 | Accidently did rsync -av --delete /home / and hit enter before finishing the full dir. |
| 07:53.19 | ompaul | Colin969: step away from the keyboard and go for a walk :) |
| 07:53.29 | Colin969 | Nah XD |
| 07:53.45 | Colin969 | Cmon, it cant be that hard for someone to find out where I've gone wrong. |
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| 07:54.30 | Colin969 | Well, enabling root login would be one method |
| 07:54.54 | Colin969 | The other is to have my /var/www/ controlled by a group, but it refuses to be nice. |
| 07:55.05 | boudiccas | Colin969, ever heard of 'sudo'? |
| 07:55.12 | nsadmin | using any form of authenticated original ftp on a direct internet-facing box... on PURPOSE... |
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| 07:55.37 | Colin969 | This servers just for personal use |
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| 07:55.45 | Colin969 | Not for anything special |
| 07:55.50 | ompaul | Colin969: on a private network? |
| 07:55.54 | Colin969 | Mainly just to test things with |
| 07:56.00 | ompaul | and not facing the internet? |
| 07:56.05 | Colin969 | Hiring it out. |
| 07:56.16 | Colin969 | Or would to "hiring it in"? |
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| 07:56.29 | ompaul | I refuse to do the google search vsftpd add root user and you will be hacked |
| 07:56.50 | Colin969 | Whos going to start brute forcing every IP they can find? |
| 07:56.57 | ompaul | they do already |
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| 07:57.09 | nsadmin | you will be found, no matter how many domains you don't have :) |
| 07:57.14 | Colin969 | Well all they will find is index.php |
| 07:57.26 | Colin969 | Bah |
| 07:57.31 | nsadmin | Colin969, now you're startng to get it |
| 07:57.32 | ompaul | Colin969: php yay and the the port for ftp |
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| 07:57.40 | nsadmin | they are already doing that |
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| 07:57.48 | Colin969 | ;-; |
| 07:57.53 | ompaul | you were told |
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| 07:58.19 | Colin969 | Welp |
| 07:58.21 | ompaul | Colin969: your solution is less than sub optimal, now give them scp / sftp / rsync |
| 07:58.37 | ompaul | Colin969: and please stop asking us to make one more box hackable on the internet |
| 07:58.53 | Colin969 | Its pretty much purely for moving files between my home and school folders |
| 07:58.59 | fprophet | I have a silly question. When I try using ptrace in my c program it works, and then again in the same program it some times fails. whats up with that? |
| 07:59.06 | nsadmin | by now there are massive trees of botnets |
| 07:59.08 | Colin969 | Since my school blocks, FTP, SFTP, VNC Ports etc |
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| 07:59.36 | nsadmin | fprophet yoj might want to look at lcling |
| 07:59.40 | nsadmin | err lcling |
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| 07:59.49 | nsadmin | argh :P |
| 07:59.51 | Colin969 | And whilst it would be fine having an anon user to download, its a mac, and it fails miserably |
| 07:59.54 | nsadmin | lclint |
| 08:00.06 | ompaul | Colin969: and I'm a 49 year old IT manager so kindly take a clue and go study stuff and learn why your approach is not good. |
| 08:00.09 | fprophet | nsadmin: whats that |
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| 08:00.51 | nsadmin | it;s a static c program parser you give hints to in the source code, that checks it for correct usage |
| 08:00.55 | Colin969 | Bah, ill go internet SFTP and follow "some-long-winded-yet-probably-better-than-where-I-am-now" tutorial. |
| 08:01.01 | Colin969 | Well obviously I know why its bad |
| 08:01.12 | Colin969 | Sending my root password over in plaintext is hardly good for me |
| 08:01.14 | Colin969 | But yeah. |
| 08:01.30 | ompaul | that's the wrong problem it's one problem but the wrong one |
| 08:01.52 | Colin969 | Now im curious. |
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| 08:02.54 | ompaul | you will be found, your machine taken and all data about the attack they will carry out against some .gov will be removed, but they ip from which the attack came from will be yours well done as someone with body armour batters down your front door |
| 08:02.54 | fprophet | nsadmin: I'm not sure if that's what I'm looking for. ptrace with PTRACE_PEEKDATA works, for the first call. the second, nope. the third, yes |
| 08:03.29 | ompaul | Colin969: you have a computer, and you don't understand risk. Let me get you some "light reading" |
| 08:03.30 | fprophet | I'll take a look though |
| 08:04.26 | nsadmin | if you give it the hints it will help you find pointer and allocation issues |
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| 08:05.52 | ompaul | Colin969: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ http://www.schneier.com/ http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2012/09/10/chip-and-skim-cloning-emv-cards-with-the-pre-play-attack/ just to let you know nothing is safe :) |
| 08:06.10 | fprophet | nsadmin: oh, I get it |
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| 08:10.35 | nsadmin | fprophet, for example you might have a func that allocates a chunk of ram and instead of just using it and dealocating before it returns, it returns a pointer to it... you would give lclint a hint to that effect... |
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| 08:11.42 | nsadmin | you might have a function that accepts a pointer to what's expected to be allocated mem, which it just uses in some way (does not deallocate)... another hint |
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| 08:13.51 | nsadmin | and you might have a func that takes a pointer to a slab and (among other things) deallocates it... another hint. now lclint can use the hints to make sure there's not going to be memory leaks related to situations where ram is not returned to the heap |
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| 08:15.10 | fprophet | alright |
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| 08:22.06 | Colin969 | God fudgjawudjadamnsonofa.... |
| 08:22.20 | Colin969 | http://puu.sh/1gHPx |
| 08:22.33 | Colin969 | Cant see anything in the options to help me ;-; |
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| 08:23.47 | jelly-home | Colin969: what application are you trying to use to connect to that ssh service? |
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| 08:27.41 | Colin969 | Wait |
| 08:27.42 | Colin969 | Idiot me |
| 08:27.53 | Colin969 | Didnt change it round from FTP to SFTP from before. |
| 08:28.08 | Colin969 | Let me just punch myself in the face, and go for a short walk. |
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| 08:30.31 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:47.35 | graham1 | how do i go about purging transmission daemon and reinstalling? |
| 08:47.52 | graham1 | i want to run it as "user", not "root" |
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| 08:50.21 | boudiccas | graham1, i used to use transmission but i've found that deluge is better, and retains its links and feeds even through a reinstall and backup to the home dorectory |
| 08:50.35 | boudiccas | directory |
| 08:51.31 | boudiccas | graham1, apt-get remove transmission, and then apt-get purge, then apt-get update and reinstall |
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| 08:52.02 | boudiccas | and possibly an apt-get clean in the recipe somehwere before updating |
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| 09:01.27 | graham1 | how do i run it as a particular user? |
| 09:01.30 | graham1 | i dont want to run it as root |
| 09:02.33 | format_c | graham1, sudo -U<user> <command> |
| 09:02.53 | graham1 | sudo doesn't seem to be on this debian squeeze box |
| 09:03.27 | format_c | su -c '<command>' user |
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| 09:06.07 | graham1 | su -c apt-get install transmission-daemon user |
| 09:06.11 | graham1 | you think that would work? |
| 09:06.16 | graham1 | or i gotta put it in ' '? |
| 09:06.21 | format_c | graham1, put the command in '' |
| 09:06.34 | format_c | otherwise install will be intrepreted as the username |
| 09:06.53 | graham1 | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 09:06.54 | graham1 | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
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| 09:07.16 | graham1 | now what? :/ |
| 09:07.21 | format_c | If that is the command u want to run, you need root permissions. |
| 09:07.27 | Kyperf | graham1: you should use apt-get as root |
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| 09:08.46 | graham1 | k thx. how do i make transmission-daemon able to write to a particular directory? |
| 09:09.08 | graham1 | it was working fine before then everything got screwed up while trying to fix it since it randomly broke |
| 09:09.41 | petemc | graham1: last night you said you changed the user transmission ran as, that doesnt seem random |
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| 09:10.07 | format_c | mhh sorry I'm not aware of transmission-deamon. But maybe someone else. |
| 09:10.36 | xion | i was wondering if anyone had a general jist of how the debian/tails distro is able to make it so no internet communcations happen on the box unless its through tor |
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| 09:10.54 | graham1 | that isn't what stopped t:d from being able to write to /home/user/downloads . some other unknown thing did |
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| 09:15.48 | nvz | graham1: permissions is the only thing other than quota or space that could do that really |
| 09:16.01 | graham1 | i cant connect to transmission after reinstalling it |
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| 09:16.32 | boudiccas | graham1, install transmission, set up the download directry in the preferences and then just start it working, it will handle any daemon it needs |
| 09:16.43 | graham1 | ./etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json is the settings file i thought |
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| 09:24.33 | graham1 | any ideas why i cant connect to the t:d? |
| 09:24.45 | graham1 | it says its running according to pgrep trans |
| 09:25.36 | boudiccas | graham1, why do you need to connect to it, the programme 'transmission' is controlling it all, doesnt need intervention by you |
| 09:26.05 | graham1 | i cant connect to the web interface |
| 09:26.22 | boudiccas | what web interface? |
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| 09:26.46 | graham1 | transmission daemon has a web interface to let me choose what to download |
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| 09:27.27 | boudiccas | just use the transmission programme and its interface with the GUI |
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| 09:27.48 | graham1 | lol no |
| 09:27.53 | graham1 | i want the web interface for a reason |
| 09:28.00 | boudiccas | sounds like you're over-complicating things |
| 09:28.01 | graham1 | it was working perfectly before |
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| 09:28.54 | graham1 | the way i see it, the point of transmission-daemon is to setup a web based torrent UI |
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| 09:29.02 | graham1 | i dont care if i can use it from command line |
| 09:29.13 | graham1 | anyway |
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| 09:30.21 | fairway | hi all. I would be very pleased if someone can provide me with an exim4 configuration where I can use my iphone with smtp auth to send mail over my debian mail box. I tried to get smtp auth working since 2 days. but unsuccessfull |
| 09:30.42 | boulet101010 | somebody ever heard about a "tail" program that support the "+" option instead of "-n" ? i must run a script that writes tail +$number and it exits with no such file... |
| 09:31.52 | boudiccas | graham1, if you start the transmission GUI go to preferences and the tab of 'web' you can tick a box for interacting with the daemon, maybe thats what your looking for? |
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| 09:33.19 | graham1 | im looking for mozilla to be able to connect to the webbased UI |
| 09:34.44 | graham1 | why is it every time i try changing the settings.json file, and then restart transmission-daemon , the settings.json file reverts to what it was before? |
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| 09:35.39 | graham1 | im trying to remove the ip whitelist . change it to false instead actually |
| 09:36.02 | boudiccas | graham1, because the daemon gets its rulings frpm the gui which overwrites your conf file |
| 09:36.49 | zykes- | sudo apt-get update |
| 09:36.52 | zykes- | wrong window ;p |
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| 09:38.49 | graham1 | heh. so how do i have it not keep writing over it? |
| 09:38.58 | graham1 | changing the conf file is easy |
| 09:39.01 | graham1 | how do i even start the gui? |
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| 09:46.16 | nvz | LABEl=swap swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 09:46.26 | nvz | is there something wrong with that fstab line/ |
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| 09:46.45 | nvz | cause I just had to "swapon LABEL=swap" |
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| 09:47.42 | boudiccas | graham1, its in the 'internet' section of your main menu |
| 09:48.42 | graham1 | dont even know how to get to the "main menu" |
| 09:48.55 | graham1 | but anyway, i thik if i stop t:d then edit, then restart it seems to not overwrite |
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| 09:49.45 | julius_ | hi |
| 09:49.58 | nvz | hmm.. wonder why my swap didnt get turned on at boot |
| 09:51.47 | julius_ | ive got a debian 6 running in virtualbox, tried "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" and changed the keyboard layout to german, but even after a restart i have the wrong keyboard layout in kde/konsole. any ideas? |
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| 09:52.40 | format_c | nvz, dmesg | grep swap |
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| 09:54.33 | v4nelle | Guys, i try to install gnome shell extensions via gnome site unsuccessfully.. I am using debian testing... Why? |
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| 09:59.31 | ompaul | v4nelle: and what version of gnome are you using? |
| 09:59.59 | ompaul | ,versions gnome |
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| 10:00.00 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.4+4; wheezy: 1:3.4+4 |
| 10:00.16 | v4nelle | The default version of testing |
| 10:00.42 | v4nelle | I am not on the pc right now |
| 10:01.31 | ompaul | v4nelle: no idea, I was going to ask you questions based on when was the last time you ran dist-upgrade on that? |
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| 10:02.45 | v4nelle | So there is not a known problem about installation via extensions.gnome.org.... |
| 10:03.02 | ompaul | not that I am aware of, however I run KDE cos I can't stand gnome :) |
| 10:03.14 | ompaul | however it doesn't stop me from knowing things |
| 10:03.22 | v4nelle | ; -) |
| 10:03.36 | v4nelle | Ok.. Thx for your time |
| 10:03.40 | graham1 | anyway. how do i make "user" able to delete the files/folders that belowing to transmission-daemon? |
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| 10:03.48 | graham1 | transmission daemons download directory is /home/user/downloads |
| 10:04.31 | ompaul | v4nelle: do this to keep in step apt-get install gnome-shell-extensions |
| 10:04.42 | boudiccas | graham1, are you saying that $USER cant delete programmes in their own directory? |
| 10:04.44 | ompaul | it will work :-) usually you are better staying with your own version etc |
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| 10:05.06 | graham1 | yes, it was created by "debian-transmission" |
| 10:05.19 | graham1 | (the user) |
| 10:05.39 | v4nelle | Ok ompaul... I will try it! I hope to be so simpme |
| 10:05.45 | v4nelle | Simple |
| 10:05.52 | boudiccas | graham1, sounds liek transmission-daemon wasnt set up right then, but just chown them |
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| 10:07.35 | graham1 | what will chowning them do? |
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| 10:08.04 | graham1 | i just want transmission-daemon user to be able to write to /home/user/downloads/ , AND "user" to be able to delete in /home/user/downloads |
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| 10:11.15 | pato83 | graham1: what about running "man chown" ? chown wont do any magic, but what is written in man pages. |
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| 10:12.58 | graham1 | after quickly reading man chown i dont see how it would help |
| 10:13.20 | graham1 | transmission-daemon is going to be repeatedly creating new directories in /home/user/downloads that are owned by user "transmission-daemon" |
| 10:13.34 | graham1 | surely what i want to do is allow another user to have write access, not simply change ownership? |
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| 10:13.59 | visof | hello |
| 10:14.19 | visof | how can i know linux use swap partition ? |
| 10:15.08 | MaxLanar | visof: free |
| 10:15.26 | boulet101010 | does this file libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 means anything to anybody? |
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| 10:17.09 | Hanmac | about the swap size what is an good ratio swap / RAM ? |
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| 10:21.53 | graham1 | can somebody explain to me how chown would help in making all new created directories by daemon-transmission deletable by user inside /home/user/downloads? |
| 10:21.54 | graham1 | [11:16] <alankila> graham1: it sounds like you need probably setgid bit on the directory to make new directories created there inherit the right permissions. |
| 10:21.57 | graham1 | does this make sense to anyboy? |
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| 10:24.13 | krasnozer | hi, when installing from the netinstall 6.0.6 disk the installer freeze at "configuring apt sources" step, any idea how to diagnose the issue? |
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| 10:26.22 | graham1 | how do i give write permissions to "user" to all subdirs within /home/user/downloads/ ? |
| 10:26.30 | jelly-home | boulet101010: sounds like an old libstdc++, why do you ask |
| 10:26.47 | graham1 | all subdirs within /home/user/downloads are created by daemon-transmission at the moment, so "user" cant delete them |
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| 10:27.22 | boulet101010 | wolfenstein linux binaries needs them |
| 10:28.07 | jelly-home | boulet101010: you'll have to dig in and find packages from around 2007 or so |
| 10:28.13 | jelly-home | gcc 2.95 |
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| 10:28.44 | jelly-home | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Tra 20 2007 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so |
| 10:28.59 | jelly-home | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
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| 10:29.57 | smhar | I have been suffering from my current debian installation for more than 3 months now. This is a new dell inspiron i5 laptop. I installed debian amd64 from netinst. debian keep freezing at different times. sometimes at kde login, sometimes after login, sometimes after one hour of using. there is no clear reason. |
| 10:30.41 | boulet101010 | apt-file isn't good so i think so too |
| 10:30.42 | smhar | when the system freezes, everything including caps and numlock freeze. only a hard reset will solve it. |
| 10:31.42 | smhar | this is a dual boot with windows 7 which works fine. I tested with memtest and memtest+ and had no issues reported |
| 10:31.58 | specing | "dell" |
| 10:32.03 | smhar | any idea how I can diagnose the issue |
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| 10:32.33 | otend | just for kicks |
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| 10:32.58 | otend | kill wireless on it for a while. see how it goes. I'm not saying that this'll be the ultimate diagnostic, but if nothing else, it can knock down one possibility. |
| 10:33.17 | graham1 | chmod -R a+wx /home/user/downloads/ |
| 10:33.22 | graham1 | can somebody tell me what this would do? |
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| 10:33.50 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 10:33.50 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 10:34.10 | smhar | otend, wireless is off already as I could not make it run under debian yet. this is wheezy btw |
| 10:34.13 | lewis | i'm trying to install rvm |
| 10:34.21 | graham1 | ive read that, can you just confirm that all users would be able to write/delete/read from /home/user/downloads AND all its later created subdirs? |
| 10:34.33 | lewis | source ~/.rvm/scripts/rvm does not work |
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| 10:34.56 | otend | mmkay. honestly, the only reason I threw that idea out is because I had a netbook that kept doing that due to it using the network with a faulty driver. |
| 10:36.16 | smhar | I keep getting a feeling that a 32bit debian will not have this issue. I do not know if I should switch. I want to see what to check first. |
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| 10:38.17 | lewis | graham1: write and execute |
| 10:39.02 | jelly-home | graham1: you would want to give them read permissions as well, then, not just write and executable |
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| 10:42.54 | graham1 | chmod -R a+rwx /home/user/downloads/ should work then? |
| 10:43.47 | jelly-home | that's what you asked for, yes |
| 10:43.50 | graham1 | this should allow transmission to continue writing to /home/user/downloads (as daemon-transmission user) and allow "user" to delete any dirs made by daemon-transmission? |
| 10:44.14 | graham1 | it would be great if i could find a way of running transmission as another user, but seems that is impossible for me |
| 10:44.24 | graham1 | changing USER=newuser seems to break transmission |
| 10:44.35 | graham1 | if somebody can let me know why that breaks transmission would be appreciated |
| 10:44.43 | jelly-home | why not run it as the same user whose home that it |
| 10:44.45 | jelly-home | that is* |
| 10:44.49 | graham1 | because i dont know how |
| 10:44.54 | graham1 | changing the init.d/trans script doesnt work |
| 10:44.58 | graham1 | it breaks tranmission |
| 10:45.04 | nvz | heh |
| 10:45.22 | jelly-home | graham1: does it have no configuration file in /etc/default, or no documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ ? |
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| 10:45.42 | jelly-home | does it have logs? |
| 10:46.05 | jelly-home | when it breaks, it ought to tell why it happened somewhere |
| 10:46.34 | graham1 | there is a config file in /etc/default yes, but yesterday i tried adding USER=newuser there and it broke transmission aswell |
| 10:46.49 | graham1 | dont know where the logs are |
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| 10:46.58 | graham1 | dont know linux at all. i just want a working seedbox like before |
| 10:47.06 | graham1 | it just randomly stopped working (Yes it did lol) |
| 10:47.12 | graham1 | maybe it was an autoupdate dont know |
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| 10:47.38 | nvz | this can be easily done with most router appiances these days |
| 10:47.50 | nvz | tomatousb firmware has it all there already |
| 10:47.58 | graham1 | actually, it randomly started writing dirs as "daemon-transmission" user instead of "user". so user couldn't delete downlods anymore. then somebody suggested something which ended up fuckin everything up |
| 10:48.17 | apm1 | i just added the backports repo to my sources.list , now which package do i need to install linux 3.2 bpo ? |
| 10:48.41 | nvz | uses a Netgear WNR3500L for these tasks |
| 10:48.47 | jelly-home | apm1: apt-cache search linux-image-3.2 ought to give some results |
| 10:49.30 | jelly-home | apm1: also, /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 10:49.34 | apm1 | jelly-home, it gave so many results back which all look identical that i am confused :p |
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| 10:50.51 | nvz | graham1: my best advice is to take learning linux more seriously, or go the easier route and buy a standalone appliance with web interface to do this for you |
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| 10:51.09 | graham1 | any idea how i can run transmission-daemon as another user? |
| 10:51.14 | Kye | hello |
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| 10:52.19 | nvz | honestly I wouldnt attempt to help ya with anything despite being a regular transmission user because you seem hell bent on not understandig it and breaking stuff :-P |
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| 10:53.05 | nvz | what you need is some network appliance with an easy web interface or to take a breath and comit to understanding wht youre workng with |
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| 10:54.12 | graham1 | meh its working fine anyway. thanks |
| 10:54.20 | graham1 | what should i read about to get a better understanding? |
| 10:54.41 | graham1 | everywhere on google says just change USER= or maybe add it to /etc/default/trans but both those suggestions to change the user for transmission break it |
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| 10:57.00 | conditionzero | Hello i have a question how can i install a pkg that is not in the repository??? |
| 10:59.14 | jelly-home | graham1: take a look at the package contents (dpkg -L packagename), try to find the logs. If you can't, my wild-ass guess would be to verify whether any directories or files in the package are currently owned by the separate user, and then change them to be owned by the user you wish to run the service as. |
| 11:00.10 | jelly-home | graham1: it's possible the service logs to syslog, try to grep for it in /var/log/daemon.log or any /var/log/*log |
| 11:00.21 | valdyn | graham1: why do you want to run it as another user? |
| 11:00.44 | graham1 | because right now "user" cant delete files in /home/user/downloads since they are owned by "debian-transmission" user |
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| 11:01.17 | valdyn | graham1: so change the directory permissions properly |
| 11:01.42 | nvz | graham1: google is great, but you gotta understand you're presumably using debian.. a software dist notorious for documenting things even the upstream devs dont document, read the provided docs before reading random stuff online |
| 11:01.53 | nvz | cause another thing about debian is that we do things differently than most |
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| 11:02.30 | valdyn | graham1: thats the right path, not breaking transmission |
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| 11:04.25 | nvz | I'm suggesting you backup and learn the basics of debian and linux, and getting support.. cause I'm telling you as a supporter of about 12 years with nothing better to do than solve your issue, that I been sitting here doing nothing but reading it, and wont comment simply because I can see you could tie me up all day and we'd never resolve anything |
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| 11:05.18 | nvz | transmissiond is not rocket science.. and your problem is likely file permissions as I and everyone said a million times |
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| 11:09.17 | graham1 | k thanks |
| 11:09.37 | graham1 | what annoys me is that transmission-daemon randomly started writing new files as daemon-transmission instead of user about 5 days ago |
| 11:09.39 | graham1 | and i didn't change a thing |
| 11:09.40 | graham1 | but anyway |
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| 11:14.46 | apm1 | i have installed the package " linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64" do i need anything else to make squeeze more compatible with my hardware ? |
| 11:15.13 | fairway | hi all. I would be very pleased if someone can provide me with an exim4 configuration where I can use my iphone with smtp auth to send mail over my debian mail box. I tried to get smtp auth working since 2 days. but not successfull |
| 11:15.46 | apm1 | apt suggested "linux-firmware-free" should i install it as well ? |
| 11:16.07 | nvz | even as a linux certified professional with over a decade of experience, I find time and time again I think the software is wrong, and I did nothing.. and turns out I'm wrong.. its the stress that clouds your understanding in times of trouble |
| 11:17.07 | daniel-s | i |
| 11:17.23 | daniel-s | hi |
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| 11:17.35 | daniel-s | I just installed the 3rd beta of wheezy |
| 11:17.51 | daniel-s | I'm on an ipv6 network and appear to only have access to the ipv6 internet |
| 11:18.21 | nvz | .. an den? |
| 11:19.33 | apm1 | daniel-s, that is a weird problem , i never heard anyone say i can access ipv6 but not ipv4 :p |
| 11:20.17 | ompaul | nvz: One neuron said to another "that gap there between your impression of that world, and how you'd like it to be, we call that stress" |
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| 11:20.57 | ompaul | apm1: eh I thought you were on Apple stuff |
| 11:20.58 | nvz | apm1: helps to mention what hardware you're talking about... you could just use the hcl and paste your lspci -nn output and it'll tell you what you need |
| 11:21.07 | nvz | !hcl |
| 11:21.08 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 11:21.37 | ompaul | apm1: firewall working on ipv4 not 6 |
| 11:21.38 | nvz | for special cases like apple hardware there is often a wiki dedicated entirely to it |
| 11:21.58 | apm1 | ompaul, i have 3 laptops |
| 11:22.07 | ompaul | daniel-s: so have you an ipv4 firewall |
| 11:22.33 | apm1 | 1)thinkpad x201s 2)macbookpro 13" 3)thinkpad x120e :p |
| 11:22.50 | nvz | all of which have didicated wiki pages IIRC |
| 11:22.57 | apm1 | out of these the thinkpad x120e works the worst with squezze |
| 11:23.01 | ompaul | apm1: you need to state what you are using in that case, and be explicit, I am this Chipset with this much ram and disk and that's just the start lspci |
| 11:23.11 | ompaul | apm1: how old is it? |
| 11:23.19 | apm1 | 1 year |
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| 11:23.30 | apm1 | lspci coming up in a moment |
| 11:23.56 | ompaul | ok so use the bpo kernel and firmware-linux-nonfree use apt-cache search thinkpad and install the additional little bits that make it better |
| 11:24.20 | nvz | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Debian http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad are the resources come to mind for thinkpads |
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| 11:24.59 | daniel-s | ompaul: the install is on virtualbox with bridged network adapter |
| 11:25.16 | daniel-s | ifconfig shows no ipv4 address |
| 11:25.20 | apm1 | my lspci output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1291875/ |
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| 11:25.35 | daniel-s | none of the other VMs have problems with ipv4 |
| 11:25.57 | daniel-s | although, I think they were all connected using NAT connections |
| 11:26.11 | ompaul | daniel-s: now you are having new and unique fun please pastebin the consequences of iptables -L for that v-box |
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| 11:26.44 | ompaul | apm1: did you choose that pastebin because you like orange? http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:26.47 | profligacy | what is Debian? |
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| 11:27.09 | ompaul | profligacy: a GNU/Linux distribution and K/FreeBSD one also |
| 11:27.41 | apm1 | ompaul, no because it was a bookmark on my browser from my *buntu days :p |
| 11:27.58 | ompaul | apm1: well I strongly suggest you use the debian one |
| 11:28.16 | ompaul | apm1: mostly so people don't make comments about orange |
| 11:28.21 | apm1 | from now on |
| 11:28.26 | apm1 | i will |
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| 11:29.12 | format_c | Does somebody know if the game 0 A.D. is available via apt? |
| 11:29.27 | format_c | Don't know what the packagename is |
| 11:29.37 | daniel-s | ompaul: http://dpaste.com/815854/ |
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| 11:29.47 | ompaul | format_c: 0ad |
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| 11:31.08 | ompaul | daniel-s: paste.debian.net ... is it really that hard? and for the box that the vm is on - please include the ip for the vm |
| 11:31.11 | daniel-s | http://dpaste.com/815855/ |
| 11:31.18 | ompaul | you said bridged - forget |
| 11:31.20 | ompaul | it |
| 11:31.48 | format_c | ompaul, can't find it. Do I need special sources in sources.lst? |
| 11:32.20 | ompaul | format_c: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 11:33.02 | ompaul | I'll assume it's not debian then |
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| 11:33.21 | ompaul | which makes it offtopic for here :) |
| 11:33.29 | kaste | hey this should be easy i guess but i have trouble getting routing to work right |
| 11:33.52 | apm1 | ompaul, i am missing this non free firmware |
| 11:33.57 | apm1 | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 11:33.57 | apm1 | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 11:34.12 | ompaul | apm1: add in the contrib non-free into your sources.list |
| 11:34.21 | kaste | i have explicitely added a route to 10.149.178.136 but when i then try ip route add 204.11.33.59 via 10.149.178.136 it tells me network unreachable and i just don't get why |
| 11:34.27 | ompaul | apm1: obviously then you do apt-get update |
| 11:34.29 | apm1 | i already did |
| 11:34.51 | apm1 | i did that too |
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| 11:35.13 | ompaul | apm1: I guess you want to pastebin ALL of your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 11:35.15 | krababbel | kaste: do you have a route back |
| 11:35.27 | apm1 | ompaul, i need to reboot , brb |
| 11:35.43 | format_c | ompaul, Squeeze |
| 11:36.10 | kaste | hmm i use source nat on 10.149.178.136 that should push those answer packets back to me no? |
| 11:36.21 | ompaul | kaste: run the command route paste it into paste.debian.net |
| 11:36.30 | ompaul | ,versions 0ad |
| 11:36.31 | judd | Package: 0ad on i386 -- wheezy: 0~r11863-2; sid: 0.0.11-1 |
| 11:36.40 | omid8bimo | hello. im trying to assign a user to bunch of groups without changing its primary group. whats the command to do it? |
| 11:36.44 | ompaul | format_c: it does not exist for squeeze so there you go |
| 11:36.53 | format_c | thanks. |
| 11:37.01 | format_c | I'll try to use backport |
| 11:37.20 | ompaul | format_c: remembering it may not be there for reasons of libraries |
| 11:37.34 | format_c | even not because I'm using amd64 |
| 11:37.34 | kaste | ompaul: i used route -n http://paste.debian.net/hidden/06ba9d78/ |
| 11:37.37 | ompaul | format_c: wheezy will be along (soon) |
| 11:37.44 | format_c | anyway thanks though |
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| 11:38.32 | omid8bimo | hello. im trying to assign a user to bunch of groups without changing its primary group. whats the command to do it? |
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| 11:39.18 | kaste | http://paste.debian.net/202054/ this is the entry on the router |
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| 11:40.14 | ompaul | kaste: that looks very complex for a single machine ... my two lines here ## default 192.168.25.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 ## 192.168.25.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 11:40.38 | ompaul | kaste: firstly what is 10.153.59.0 |
| 11:40.44 | kaste | the local lan |
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| 11:41.20 | kaste | well it is complicated because this local lan has no real boundaries within the bigger 10.0.0.0 lan but they belong to the same entity |
| 11:42.01 | ompaul | kaste: why is there no default way off that box? |
| 11:42.31 | kaste | i want them to snat through the router for certain adresses, so i tried to debug this by trying it with whatsmyip.org which is the 204... |
| 11:43.03 | kaste | there is, the first rule is the default. Route -n outputs that as 0.0.0.0 -> |
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| 11:45.12 | ompaul | kaste: pastebin your ifconfig -a please |
| 11:46.04 | apm1 | the bpo kernel was a disaster , the screen was so pixalated , i couldn't see anything but a million small rainbows , had to but with 2.6 again |
| 11:46.16 | kaste | http://paste.debian.net/202058/ |
| 11:46.19 | apm1 | *boot |
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| 11:46.43 | apm1 | if this was bpo i might as well remove it :p |
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| 11:47.49 | ompaul | kaste: delete that route to 10.153.59.0 the default should look after it |
| 11:48.17 | apm1 | ompaul, should i remove the bpo kernel ? |
| 11:48.22 | ompaul | apm1: well done, you stick your tongue out at people who might help you |
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| 11:48.41 | Rix | if a file has ownership root:web why cant a user that has been added to group web access that file |
| 11:48.42 | apm1 | stick my tounge out ? |
| 11:48.46 | Rix | file permissions are 770 |
| 11:48.51 | ompaul | apm1: :p |
| 11:49.12 | ompaul | apm1: I suddenly forgot everything I ever knew :P |
| 11:49.23 | apm1 | ompaul, what ? |
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| 11:50.00 | ompaul | apm1: you telling me you don't know what you typed? (I'll try not to laugh too loud) <apm1> if this was bpo i might as well remove it :p |
| 11:50.34 | ompaul | apm1: so what kind of video drivers are you using |
| 11:50.47 | ompaul | did you install some kind of blob from ati or nvidia |
| 11:50.53 | apm1 | ompaul, amd/ati raedon 6130 |
| 11:51.07 | apm1 | no no proprietary drivers yet |
| 11:51.31 | kaste | ompaul: i doubt it how would it find the default route target then? |
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| 11:52.41 | ozz1_ | any1 with beowulf cluster expiriendes ? |
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| 11:53.23 | ompaul | kaste: ok lets do this a slightly different way, default 192.168.25.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 so the door way to my lan and my routing say nothing of my machine - but we do see the gateway there |
| 11:53.36 | ompaul | kaste: where is your line that equals that? |
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| 11:53.58 | ompaul | kaste: you don't show your gateway afics |
| 11:54.08 | kaste | ompaul: that works because your router and your box sit on the same physical part of the lan |
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| 11:55.19 | kaste | well ok nvm my reasoning is wrong, if i delete the line, then it would mean that the boxes in the same office sitting next to each other all would have to traverse 10.153.59.126 |
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| 11:55.37 | kaste | that would put unnecessary strain on that router |
| 11:55.38 | DarkUranium | hey guys... how do I get trac to read from the global trac.ini file? |
| 11:55.52 | DarkUranium | I've tried putting it in both /etc/trac.init and /etc/trac/trac.ini, neither seem to be read. |
| 11:56.06 | DarkUranium | going off of these instructions: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/python-apps/packages/trac-git/trunk/debian/README.Debian?view=markup |
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| 11:57.29 | ompaul | kaste: http://paste.debian.net/202060/ might help you a bit |
| 11:58.32 | ompaul | kaste: that's my router - my boxes then sit on other lans (no you can't see how 25 gets there cos that's ssh - different network) if you want I can give you a server that sits onthe 1.0 network |
| 11:59.38 | kaste | are those all vpn connections then? |
| 12:00.07 | ompaul | mostly the 1.0 is local |
| 12:00.19 | ompaul | straight to the internet external is 87X |
| 12:00.43 | ompaul | which carries the 10. |
| 12:01.41 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, perhaps you have an overriding ~/.trac.ini? |
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| 12:03.19 | ompaul | kaste: this is a box on the lan http://paste.debian.net/202061/ |
| 12:03.56 | ompaul | kast actually I need to clean that router up .. just saw a lan I no longer support :) there's no wire going there any more |
| 12:04.51 | ompaul | kaste: I can't read - I already cleaned it up ... forgot about a new network |
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| 12:09.41 | ompaul | waves at bwalton |
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| 12:09.41 | apm1 | ompaul, i will just run wheezy beta 3 on the x120e as well :) |
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| 12:09.41 | apm1 | rather than chasing squeeze+bpo :) |
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| 12:09.46 | ompaul | apm1: I don't think you are ready for wheezy but then I said that 5 hours ago and it never stopped you yet, it depends on if you can live with problems that may occur |
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| 12:10.28 | apm1 | ompaul, can squeeze work with an SSD OTB ? |
| 12:11.05 | apm1 | or do i need to change anything for an ssd |
| 12:11.26 | nkuttler | otb? |
| 12:11.33 | xion | hey, can someone help me test out a server real quick i setup on tor? wanted to see if someone wanted to test connecting to my server's .onion address in ssh |
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| 12:11.48 | ompaul | apm1: I'll join nkuttlerin that what is otb |
| 12:11.52 | apm1 | otb = out of the box |
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| 12:12.06 | ompaul | it shouldn't be an issue |
| 12:12.16 | nkuttler | apm1: you might want to disable atime and similar tweaks |
| 12:12.45 | ompaul | apm1: you might want to look at what people who use it say about it before you head blindly into it |
| 12:12.50 | nkuttler | apm1: like http://wiki.debian.org/SSDoptimization |
| 12:12.57 | ompaul | apm1: and +1 on nkuttler's comment |
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| 12:13.45 | apm1 | ok thanks |
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| 12:15.41 | ompaul | apm1: rather than messing with three computers the better approach would be to do one and get it exactly right, you can then apply whichever lessons apply to shorten time spent on the other boxes |
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