| 00:00.12 | nvz | maher: using kmuto's debian hardware compatability check in the link above |
| 00:00.53 | nvz | maher: update-pciids downloads the latest locally on your machine |
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| 00:02.09 | nvz | the device being there doesnt mean it works but it not beig there means its not very likely it works. heh |
| 00:02.34 | maher | nvz: thanks - I don't seem to be able to find a driver... |
| 00:03.14 | nvz | probably best bet with bluetooth on linux would be a cheap usb dongle Id imagne |
| 00:03.44 | nvz | but I've never really fooled with it. the stuff is pricey and not very impressive |
| 00:04.46 | maher | nvz: i am addicted to the apple wireless keyboards |
| 00:04.53 | nvz | hah |
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| 00:05.27 | nvz | so you like paying 4x what a keyboard costs than the normal 2x of most bluetooth ones? |
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| 00:06.37 | maher | nvz: cheaper than heroin |
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| 00:07.01 | nvz | sounds like a personal problem |
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| 00:08.11 | maher | nvz: they're not that expensive and they're very sturdy so they survive being dragged around in my backpack... |
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| 00:09.07 | rainfyre | maher: you carry a keyboard around in your backpack> |
| 00:09.11 | rainfyre | ? |
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| 00:10.34 | maher | rainfyre: sometimes - if i'm travelling and need to do a lot of typing... |
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| 00:16.28 | rainfyre | maher: :) sometimes I wish I had an external keyboard for my droid |
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| 00:17.12 | dvs | looks at the name of the channel |
| 00:17.30 | rainfyre | dvs: sorry :p |
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| 00:18.26 | dvs | well, it does use a Linux kernel, it just doesn't run Debia |
| 00:18.31 | dvs | n |
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| 00:21.14 | rainfyre | heh |
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| 00:25.16 | dvs | ???? |
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| 00:28.17 | rainfyre | dvs: actually I have squeeze installed on my droid x |
| 00:30.07 | dvs | How does that even work without a keyboard? |
| 00:30.25 | ekaj | would anyone happen to have a reason as to why I keep getting permission denied on my debian squeeze box when I try to SSH to localhost? |
| 00:31.19 | rainfyre | dvs: I have a terminal app and it runs ina chroot |
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| 00:31.37 | rainfyre | dvs: and I can connect to it via ssh or with the android sdk |
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| 00:31.59 | dvs | nice |
| 00:32.08 | nachos | Hi, with multiple versions of GCC, how do i select which one i would like to use? |
| 00:32.53 | rainfyre | dvs: yes but just about totally impractical :) |
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| 00:33.23 | dvs | ekaj: Trying to log in as root |
| 00:33.39 | dvs | ? |
| 00:33.54 | ekaj | dvs: yes |
| 00:33.58 | LtL | ekaj: a bad /etc/hosts file perhaps |
| 00:34.01 | ekaj | and PermitRootLogin (or whatever) is yes |
| 00:34.10 | ekaj | and none of the files should be bad, I haven't modified any |
| 00:34.15 | LtL | ekaj: make that no |
| 00:34.24 | ekaj | No? |
| 00:34.25 | dvs | ekaj: And the daemon was restarted? |
| 00:34.31 | ekaj | dvs: yes |
| 00:34.32 | LtL | ekaj: absolutely |
| 00:34.35 | ekaj | 1 second |
| 00:34.51 | LtL | ekaj: but that's not your problem. |
| 00:35.35 | ekaj | I want to look in as root. |
| 00:35.40 | ekaj | *log |
| 00:35.47 | ekaj | What do you think the problem is? |
| 00:36.05 | LtL | ekaj: you still can locally i -think- |
| 00:36.21 | ekaj | I am trying to log in locally |
| 00:36.24 | LtL | ekaj: try ssh 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:36.29 | ekaj | (I am trying to set up a reverse ssh) |
| 00:36.47 | ekaj | permission denied, again |
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| 00:37.08 | rainfyre | ekaj: ssh root@127.0.0.1? |
| 00:37.18 | LtL | localhost should answer, netstat -tunap be certain 22 tcp is listening |
| 00:37.28 | ekaj | I am logged in as root, I am doing ssh localhost -p 34638 |
| 00:37.33 | nachos | hey |
| 00:37.40 | nachos | what's the best way to switch GCC version? |
| 00:37.54 | ekaj | and I have 34638 added to the sshd_config file... 22 is in use because I am SSHing to the machine I want to SSH to |
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| 00:40.11 | ekaj | netstat tunap has 127.0.0.1 listening on 22 and 34638 |
| 00:40.30 | LtL | ekaj: ssh -p 34638 maybe |
| 00:40.45 | LtL | ekaj: ssh -p 34638 localhost maybe |
| 00:40.54 | ekaj | I already tried ssh localhost -p 34638 |
| 00:41.05 | ekaj | access denied.. |
| 00:42.15 | LtL | ekaj: gotta be syntax, i dunno |
| 00:42.27 | LtL | it looks right. |
| 00:42.33 | ekaj | if it was syntax the sshd wouldn't restart |
| 00:43.24 | damacus | what do logs indicate? |
| 00:43.32 | LtL | ekaj: i meant, ' ssh -p 34638 localhost ' but i dont think thats right anyway |
| 00:43.58 | ekaj | nah, the syntax I posted is the right one... let me check damascus |
| 00:44.03 | ekaj | *damacus |
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| 01:06.56 | ekaj | WOO a friend helped me solve the problem. |
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| 01:24.36 | LtL | ekaj: what was it |
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| 01:38.21 | nachos | Hi, how do i install python 2.7? |
| 01:38.36 | nachos | ive added testing to my apt-sources but it seems like its not available in aptitude |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | aptitude does't do sourcdes |
| 01:38.54 | jagginess | nachos, try using synaptic, may be easier for ya |
| 01:39.19 | nachos | abrotman: aptitude doesn't do sources? |
| 01:39.24 | nachos | jagginess: ill just use apt-get |
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| 01:39.35 | jagginess | apt-cache search, search btw |
| 01:39.53 | nachos | thanks |
| 01:40.03 | nachos | also... uh... apt-get doesn't show python2.7 |
| 01:40.09 | nachos | maybe my repo doesnt have the testing branch? |
| 01:40.13 | abrotman | it won't |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | it's searching binary packages |
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| 01:40.52 | nachos | isn't there a binary of python27? |
| 01:40.58 | nachos | that's what im after |
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| 01:41.04 | abrotman | you shouldn't mix like that |
| 01:41.07 | abrotman | it'l break things |
| 01:41.11 | nachos | fek |
| 01:41.11 | nachos | okay |
| 01:41.12 | nachos | thanks |
| 01:41.44 | nachos | how do i get python 2.7 then? |
| 01:41.51 | nachos | installed along side 2.6 |
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| 01:42.22 | un214 | isn't that when you add a deb-source entry and do apt-get build-dep and apt-get -b source ? |
| 01:43.14 | dvs | ssb? |
| 01:43.38 | dvs | ,v python-2.7 |
| 01:43.39 | judd | No package named 'python-2.7' was found in i386. |
| 01:43.53 | nachos | this is awful, sorry. |
| 01:44.06 | nachos | a little frustrated. sorry guys. |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | judd: versions python2.7 |
| 01:44.38 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-2.1; sid: 2.7.3-5 |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | like that? |
| 01:47.11 | nachos | how do i add the wheezy branch |
| 01:48.11 | dvs | nachos: you don't mix versions |
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| 01:50.26 | nachos | okay. so short question: how do i install python-2.7 |
| 01:50.41 | nachos | or do i have to use 2.6 to avoid a shitstorm of problems |
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| 01:53.23 | engla | what will you use py2.7 for? |
| 01:53.34 | nachos | development |
| 01:53.57 | nachos | hopefully it wont make much off a difference |
| 01:54.01 | nachos | ill stick with 2.6 |
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| 01:54.15 | engla | well that's vague, but sure there is no easy way since squeeze doesn't support 2.7 |
| 01:55.22 | abrotman | just don't change the system symlink |
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| 01:59.13 | momin9009 | hello everyone, how can i install debian from hard drive |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | the install manual covers this |
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| 02:08.49 | un214 | I've only ever done it by debootstrap |
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| 02:15.39 | ekaj | LtL I should have used "ssh ekaj@localhost -p 34638" on the host that wasn't remote |
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| 02:31.01 | LtL | ekaj: ah, good deal |
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| 02:32.06 | dvs | ekaj: But that's not root |
| 02:32.08 | cbeust | when does the next debian come out? |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | cbeust: in maybe six months |
| 02:32.33 | cbeust | abrotman: ah ok |
| 02:32.40 | cbeust | abrotman: so like march? |
| 02:32.41 | ekaj | I said I was reverse SSHing, I didn't know what I was doing wrong. |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | cbeust: if we're lucky |
| 02:33.20 | cbeust | the next debian relies on luck/ |
| 02:33.22 | cbeust | ? |
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| 02:34.32 | abrotman | cbeust: march, the release time ... |
| 02:35.00 | cbeust | so debian will be released in march? |
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| 02:35.08 | bolt | if we're lucky |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | cbeust: there is no defined time .. |
| 02:35.28 | cbeust | no defined time in march? |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | or ever |
| 02:35.39 | abrotman | !wwwr |
| 02:35.39 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 02:36.18 | cbeust | ok, there is no defined time, but it will be march |
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| 02:36.37 | abrotman | no |
| 02:36.44 | cbeust | what? |
| 02:37.10 | cbeust | <abrotman> cbeust: march, the release time ... |
| 02:37.32 | abrotman | it will be released when RC bugs reach 0 .. this may be in march, it could be in June |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | could be four years from now |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | Debian does not release on a schedule |
| 02:37.51 | cbeust | so you don't know |
| 02:37.57 | cbeust | but you tell me march |
| 02:38.12 | abrotman | right .. based on the number of bugs, and past history .. ti's a reasonable estimate |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | but there is no defined date |
| 02:38.26 | cbeust | ok |
| 02:39.28 | cbeust | and the next debian will still be gnome by default? |
| 02:40.34 | cbeust | i'm not sure how I feel about the new gnome these days |
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| 02:41.00 | abrotman | you can use any DE you like |
| 02:41.06 | bolt | cbeust: you are free to run a base install and use whatever desktop environment you like |
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| 02:42.04 | bolt | cbeust: nobody is forcing anything on you, and debian tutorials and support generally doesn't rely on a specific desktop environment |
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| 02:42.59 | cbeust | sure but if debian is going to set me up with a gnome desktop, and another is going to set me up with a kde desktop, i might sa well use the other one if I want kde |
| 02:43.19 | bolt | unless you actually care about which distro you're on... |
| 02:43.46 | bolt | debian doesn't "set you up" with anything you don't select at install time |
| 02:43.59 | cbeust | oh, i thought it was gnome |
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| 02:44.11 | abrotman | the Desktop task will install XFCE in wheezy |
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| 02:47.12 | Dewi | abrotman: wow. what was it before? |
| 02:47.19 | abrotman | gnome |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | but honestly .. who uses tasksel .. come on .. |
| 02:47.40 | Dewi | yeah I never have, but it's still quite surprising to me |
| 02:48.03 | Dewi | as a person who doesn't like X, xfce seems like the least bad option to me most of the time... |
| 02:48.13 | ska | i finished an rsync, but I cant umount it immediately. |
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| 02:48.25 | ska | do I need to "sleep 20" ? |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | Dewi: i'd have chosen lxde i think |
| 02:48.58 | ska | icewm rules |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | FSVO rules ... |
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| 02:51.18 | ska | selection rules |
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| 02:56.52 | abrotman | edit your dhclient.conf |
| 02:56.54 | bolt | awesome wm! |
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| 02:58.32 | bolt | if you "don't like x", just use a bunch of tiled console windows in awesome vm. it's.. awesome :) |
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| 03:06.41 | grothendieck | Nobody likes X |
| 03:06.44 | grothendieck | We're just stuck with it |
| 03:07.06 | grothendieck | Such is life |
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| 03:12.29 | zeptis | Hello #debian. I am attempting to install Libffi6, which is marked as an experimental/buggy package. In order to get it, I have added Sid repos to /etc/apt/sources.list, and have done apt-get update. Libffi6 remains unfound by apt-get; what should I do to get apt-get to download this library? |
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| 03:19.25 | ewbs | experimental is a different repo than sid/unstable i do believe |
| 03:20.15 | zeptis | thank you kindly, ewbs. |
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| 03:24.16 | ewbs | pzn, if i remember correctly, either the pvscan or lvscan command accomplishes this |
| 03:24.41 | pzn | ewbs, I'll try them, tks! |
| 03:27.11 | pzn | ewbs, worked as expected :-) |
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| 03:27.55 | ewbs | pzn, i think i also vgchange might need to be involved in 'activating' it. been a while since i've used it =) |
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| 03:36.29 | cbeust | pzn: vgchange -a y |
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| 03:40.37 | |johnny| | Thanks to you guys who were helping me. I got Debian KFreeBSD to work but I find that its too glitchy for me. |
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| 03:42.33 | |johnny| | Only Gnome 2 works on it and it doesn't seem to work that well. It sort of is a huge step back. Reminds me of Hardy Heron the way its functioning. LXDE wouldn't work it froze and when Gnome 2 started up it started with a bunch of power errors and some other ones. |
| 03:43.02 | |johnny| | I'm not sure if I should stick with it or switch to something else. |
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| 03:53.53 | simonlnu | gnome is designed for linux. freebsd kernel/userspace is more of an afterthought (lxde too). |
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| 04:00.30 | nsadmin | I'm looking for a nonwireless usb kbd, with fairly high quality key actions that lasts a long time... the actions should not be too stiff |
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| 04:05.40 | Rusty1 | ##hardware nsadmin never know |
| 04:07.26 | grothendieck | nsadmin: I sent you some recommendations in a query |
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| 04:08.33 | nsadmin | thanks Rusty1, grothendieck |
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| 04:09.51 | grothendieck | np |
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| 04:10.59 | nsadmin | Rusty1, I'll try #haardwaare, and in the pastthey've been a bit cliquish (aka nonresponsive to unknowns) |
| 04:11.05 | nsadmin | and... let' |
| 04:11.10 | nsadmin | s see |
| 04:11.55 | Rusty1 | nsadmin: always can browse newegg.com and read the reviews |
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| 04:13.05 | nsadmin | grothendieck, I'm using a logitech classic kkeyboard 200, keys are doing that plastic binding thing, occasional errors due to me not pressing the key all the way down |
| 04:13.21 | nsadmin | Rusty1, good pt, the reviews |
| 04:13.57 | grothendieck | That is a treacherous road |
| 04:13.59 | grothendieck | be careful |
| 04:14.09 | grothendieck | Hours later you will conclude that all keyboards suck |
| 04:14.35 | grothendieck | Or are too expensive |
| 04:15.16 | grothendieck | At least that's what happens every time I start looking for a new keyboard because this one is getting old and is only a matter of time until I will need to replace it |
| 04:15.33 | grothendieck | Its some kind of HP from like 2007, PS/2 not USB though |
| 04:15.49 | Rusty1 | if i could type worth a damn it would matter |
| 04:16.04 | grothendieck | Other than having stupid buttons like "internet" and "help" and "hp club" it is a good keyboard |
| 04:16.08 | grothendieck | loud as hell :) |
| 04:16.37 | Guest40191 | I am a front end web devloper looking for a linux distro. Is debian good for the desktop. I herd its strong point is the sever side of things |
| 04:16.43 | Rusty1 | best i ever had was one from a sparcstation c. 1990 |
| 04:17.11 | grothendieck | Guest40191: Yes, Debian is great for desktop |
| 04:17.28 | grothendieck | Stable as hell |
| 04:17.59 | grothendieck | Powerful without being needlessly complicated |
| 04:18.18 | Guest40191 | actually I read that the term stable refers mainly too how much debian changes. Although I also herd that its a rock solid distro |
| 04:18.21 | grothendieck | Main selling point though is "it isn't ubuntu" (i.e., a commercial project) |
| 04:19.03 | grothendieck | new features don't come the stable release very quickly, but you can always backport them from testing |
| 04:19.24 | Guest40191 | herd of backports. are they repos? |
| 04:19.29 | grothendieck | or just run testing, which is also pretty solid but is more prone to bugs coming along with new features |
| 04:19.43 | grothendieck | backports lets you install packages from the testing release on the stable release |
| 04:20.07 | grothendieck | firefox in testing is ancient, for example, so you install the backport from testing |
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| 04:20.13 | grothendieck | firefox in stable is ancient* |
| 04:20.25 | grothendieck | !backports |
| 04:20.26 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:20.43 | nsadmin | !mozilla |
| 04:20.45 | dpkg | Mozilla Application Suite (originally Mozilla) is an unmaintained set of Internet-oriented applications, succeeded by SeaMonkey. The <Mozilla Foundation> is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird development. See also <seamonkey>, <firefox>, <thunderbird>. |
| 04:20.58 | scshunt | Hey guys. Is there a way to provide a list of packages and get a list of all packages on the system that *don't* depend on one of those? |
| 04:21.00 | nsadmin | wait, not that... |
| 04:21.11 | nsadmin | mozilla.debian.net |
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| 04:21.32 | jeep | scshunt: dpkg can do what your asking i think |
| 04:21.40 | grothendieck | I msg'ed dpkg |
| 04:21.43 | Guest40191 | will debian work on my hardware. Its not new but not old either |
| 04:21.44 | grothendieck | to tell him |
| 04:21.52 | grothendieck | Then it should work fine |
| 04:21.55 | Guest40191 | amd quad core 4gb ram |
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| 04:22.25 | grothendieck | I'm running it fine on quad core i5, 8GB ram, low-end nvidia card |
| 04:22.37 | grothendieck | also ran it fine on an old pentium 4... |
| 04:22.40 | Guest40191 | what DE do you use |
| 04:22.42 | Guest40191 | ? |
| 04:22.44 | grothendieck | xfce |
| 04:22.55 | Guest40191 | because of you video card? |
| 04:23.03 | grothendieck | because it's the only one I think doesn't suck |
| 04:23.05 | grothendieck | ;) |
| 04:23.37 | Guest40191 | I also am in Desktop hell. After gnome 3 and unity I have been lost and confused |
| 04:23.49 | grothendieck | 90% of my time on computer is in terminal essions anyway |
| 04:23.52 | Guest40191 | currently running kde but I love gnome apps |
| 04:23.59 | Guest40191 | GTK apps that is |
| 04:24.09 | grothendieck | screen with mutt, emacs, shell, irssi... |
| 04:24.17 | Guest40191 | wow. |
| 04:24.27 | Guest40191 | I am def not that type of user |
| 04:24.35 | Guest40191 | not yet at least |
| 04:24.57 | grothendieck | I use xfce simply because it gets in my way the least |
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| 04:25.01 | jeep | xfce is the best i think very functional but way lighter on resources |
| 04:25.02 | grothendieck | and has the nicest terminal emulator I think |
| 04:25.21 | Guest40191 | what about mate? |
| 04:25.26 | grothendieck | never tried it |
| 04:25.34 | Guest40191 | its good |
| 04:25.39 | grothendieck | cool I'll check it out |
| 04:26.15 | grothendieck | also GNOME breaks all the time and the devs are IMHO way out of touch with user base |
| 04:26.19 | grothendieck | and I've never understood KDE |
| 04:26.24 | grothendieck | too many bells and whistles |
| 04:26.52 | grothendieck | feels like a grumpy old man |
| 04:27.09 | Guest40191 | as a web dev I deal with the lastest in browers flash, ect... I know debian does not include them. |
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| 04:27.28 | grothendieck | not by default |
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| 04:27.33 | grothendieck | legal reasons |
| 04:27.47 | grothendieck | you can install them by enabling contrib and non-free repositories |
| 04:27.53 | grothendieck | no big deal |
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| 04:28.21 | grothendieck | same with codecs you need to stream video and stuff |
| 04:28.28 | grothendieck | they can't be installed by default |
| 04:28.33 | cardamon | There's a syntax to make apt-get match all files containing a term when it searches, but I forget what it is. |
| 04:28.46 | grothendieck | brb |
| 04:29.16 | cardamon | Like I want to remove everything with eclipse in the package name, for example. |
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| 04:30.18 | jeep | dpkg -l | grep eclipse should only be a few packages |
| 04:30.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep eclipse should only be a few packages |
| 04:30.29 | Guest40191 | just a question here but why should I chose a distro that requirs me to add essetial features for a desktop that other distros like linux mint include out of the box. same goes for fedora. Whats the benifit in that? |
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| 04:31.02 | cardamon | jeep: five. Six if you count the one I already pulled out. |
| 04:31.17 | Guest40191 | sorry ment that fedora also doesnt inculude flash ect... |
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| 04:31.47 | cardamon | Point is there's a syntax that'll I can give to apt-get remove that'll pull out anything with the matched term in the name...and I don't remember it. |
| 04:31.49 | jeep | Guest40191: one day those other distros "could" be sued debian plays safe and leaves it to the individual |
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| 04:32.43 | cardamon | That's a troll question, and a troll response. |
| 04:32.52 | Guest40191 | i gotta say i love how active this IRC is. In on openSUSE know and HATE the irc. Its dead and I thought this waas a huge distro |
| 04:33.14 | Guest40191 | Im** |
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| 04:35.49 | |johnny| | Do you guys think Debian Kfreebsd will ever become more usable? |
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| 04:40.12 | grothendieck | that would be great |
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| 04:40.24 | grothendieck | but not enough people seem to be using it or working on it |
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| 04:41.15 | scshunt | anyone know how to make dpkg think I have a package installed even if I don't? I maintain my TexLive install separately |
| 04:41.23 | nsadmin | what;s the biggest thing that makes it unusable (or less usable (less than what?))? |
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| 04:41.41 | grothendieck | it's pretty usable |
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| 04:43.05 | nsadmin | scshunt, look into equivs |
| 04:43.22 | grothendieck | native ZFS is a huge plus |
| 04:43.27 | grothendieck | there are some major bugs |
| 04:43.48 | nsadmin | native zfs is on which? |
| 04:44.10 | grothendieck | deb/kfreebsd |
| 04:44.23 | grothendieck | via bsd kernel... |
| 04:45.30 | grothendieck | No ALSA is possibly a pain for some people |
| 04:46.04 | grothendieck | Java support is pretty much non-existent |
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| 04:47.31 | grothendieck | the installer is really buggy... |
| 04:48.02 | nsadmin | alsa is a pain too |
| 04:48.06 | grothendieck | yeah |
| 04:48.26 | nsadmin | so you factor out alsa and no alsa... and you're left with pain |
| 04:51.29 | grothendieck | they have salsa |
| 04:51.33 | grothendieck | on kfreebsd |
| 04:51.38 | cardamon | Having some trouble with path completion. I shoved eclipse into /opt, then a symlink to its binary into /usr/local/bin, which is in my path, then source /etc/profile to refresh...still can't run it from that symlink or tab complete it. It's lrwxrwxrwx. |
| 04:52.07 | cardamon | s/path\ completion/path\ and\ completion/ |
| 04:52.07 | nsadmin | and I have chips! what a great coincidence! anyone with some good guac? |
| 04:52.14 | nsadmin | what's salsa? |
| 04:52.47 | cardamon | nsadmin: a new alsa frontend? |
| 04:53.04 | nsadmin | a front end? hmm |
| 04:53.08 | cardamon | shrugs |
| 04:53.09 | grothendieck | salsa is http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/liboss4-salsa-asound2 |
| 04:53.11 | cardamon | Just guessing. |
| 04:53.22 | cardamon | Little help on my completion issue? |
| 04:53.29 | grothendieck | It's a binary compatibility layer for ALSA |
| 04:53.30 | cardamon | completion/path |
| 04:53.33 | yakko | hey guys, I've had it with Ubuntu trying to be user-friendly. I'm at Debian's website, what should I download for a desktop version with Gnome? |
| 04:53.39 | grothendieck | cardamon: what does `which eclipse` return |
| 04:54.10 | nsadmin | write a func that adds dirs to your path, and another that adds dirs to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 04:54.17 | grothendieck | yakko: just download netinstall or the CD-1 and select "graphical desktop environment" during installation |
| 04:54.20 | nsadmin | or take the ones I wrote |
| 04:54.39 | yakko | grothendieck: what are the other CDs for? do I need to download them? |
| 04:54.47 | nsadmin | yakko, what's your actual goal? |
| 04:54.54 | cardamon | grothendieck: zip. |
| 04:55.04 | grothendieck | No you will not need them unless you do not have an internet connection |
| 04:55.11 | yakko | nsadmin: get rid of Ubuntu's UI and still have my apt-get |
| 04:55.35 | grothendieck | The CDs contain all the packages for debian |
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| 04:55.42 | cardamon | yakko: While I'm not Ubuntu's biggest fan, you know you can change the environment. |
| 04:55.43 | grothendieck | you only need CD-1 to do a base install |
| 04:55.49 | nsadmin | howbout zoom out one or two levels and talk about your goal? |
| 04:56.12 | nsadmin | you only need netinstall to do a base install :) |
| 04:56.15 | grothendieck | the others are there if you need packages but cannot fetch from teh repos |
| 04:56.15 | grothendieck | right |
| 04:56.27 | grothendieck | CD1 will just grab more from the CD |
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| 04:56.40 | grothendieck | and I don't remember if netinstall has the graphical installer |
| 04:56.54 | cardamon | If you're deciding one what distro to use because you don't like the Window Manager and desktop environment that it uses by default, you're gonna have a bad time. |
| 04:56.55 | nsadmin | it might or might not... |
| 04:56.58 | yakko | cardamon: it's not about Gnome or KDE, it's about Ubuntu recently trying to be user-friendly, they help my porn files to be found, among other shit =) |
| 04:57.09 | grothendieck | speaking of...is it possible to use kickstart with debian installs? |
| 04:57.19 | grothendieck | I've only seen it used on RHEL based systems |
| 04:57.27 | nsadmin | yakko, can you say a little more about your -overall- goals? |
| 04:57.32 | grothendieck | lol |
| 04:57.41 | grothendieck | hiding porn files |
| 04:57.48 | grothendieck | what more reason is there to switch to debian |
| 04:58.14 | grothendieck | can we make that Debian's new slogan? |
| 04:58.16 | cardamon | grothendieck: It does, not that it matters. The experience is the same regardless in the installer method, although non-graphical is the way to go if you have an issue with X out of the gate. |
| 04:58.39 | yakko | Debian - Hide Your Porn |
| 04:58.42 | grothendieck | "Debian -- The Linux Distro That Lets You Hide Your Porn" |
| 04:58.43 | grothendieck | lol |
| 04:58.59 | cardamon | yakko: That's because it's indexing. Turn off the indexer, or restrict what it indexes. Yeesh. |
| 04:59.11 | cardamon | KDE has an indexer that'd do the same thing if you let it. |
| 04:59.14 | yakko | I'm a developer so I should keep the same environment locally as on my files, and I want to keep apt-get :) |
| 04:59.20 | cardamon | neopemuk or something. |
| 04:59.50 | yakko | cardamon: like I said, it's about Ubuntu's tendencies to be user-friendly |
| 04:59.56 | cardamon | grothendieck: which eclipse returns nothing by the way. |
| 04:59.59 | nsadmin | ahh, what kinds of stuff do you develop? what languages? |
| 05:00.07 | nvz | wow, what a nightmare I'm havig. |
| 05:00.15 | grothendieck | cardamon: permissions on /opt are what? |
| 05:00.38 | yakko | nsadmin: I believe debian will support the ones I use =) |
| 05:00.40 | nvz | so I would like to run the installer to install to my 2tb hdd off this 160gb ubuntu drive is all I got to boot from.. ideas? |
| 05:01.09 | grothendieck | brb |
| 05:01.13 | nvz | I know I could use debootstrap but id prefer to actually load the d-i |
| 05:01.31 | cardamon | grothendieck: drwxrwsr-x 9 messagebus users 4096 Jun 14 13:43 eclipse ; drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Oct 19 00:22 opt |
| 05:01.46 | cardamon | grothendieck: That user/group may have something to do with it. tarball did that. |
| 05:01.53 | grothendieck | yeah |
| 05:01.55 | grothendieck | there ya go |
| 05:01.57 | grothendieck | chown that shizz |
| 05:02.59 | linux-fox | ? |
| 05:03.02 | linux-fox | hi ,all |
| 05:03.15 | yakko | I'm gonna need to format 2 servers soon, so I might as well go all Debian =) |
| 05:03.30 | linux-fox | i begin to learn python , which ide should i use in windows xp ? |
| 05:04.15 | cardamon | grothendieck: chown it to root, but still nothing. |
| 05:05.06 | freaky[t] | i got a question. my server lags every minute or so a few seconds. i wonder whats causing this. how can i find out whats causing it? |
| 05:05.08 | cardamon | linux-fox: troll harder |
| 05:05.36 | cardamon | freaky[t]: define "lags" |
| 05:05.45 | freaky[t] | the server "freezes" for a short time |
| 05:06.00 | freaky[t] | like, my minecraft server, stops responding |
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| 05:06.14 | freaky[t] | i already disabled all plugins etc. its still lagging, changed server software, still the same lag |
| 05:06.18 | freaky[t] | so i think its caused by the system |
| 05:06.22 | cardamon | what's htop look like? |
| 05:06.23 | ewbs | cardamon, in your launch script (/usr/local/bin), does the file have executable permissions? |
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| 05:06.30 | freaky[t] | cardamon only 14% or so |
| 05:06.31 | steve464646 | cardamon, google it - it's cool |
| 05:06.32 | freaky[t] | cpu usage |
| 05:06.36 | steve464646 | oops hah |
| 05:08.07 | cardamon | ewbs: It's a symlink, it's target is executable. |
| 05:08.14 | steve464646 | Guys, I've just installed xfce4 on top of <testing>. I haven't installed a Display Manager. If I can, I'd rather just sign in as whatever user I want in a terminal and <startx> *if I want to*. Does anyone see any issues with doing it this way? |
| 05:08.51 | steve464646 | In other words will I be any less safe/stable by choosing not to use a Display Manager (lightdm, gdm, etc) |
| 05:09.14 | cardamon | ...I think I of got it. I did something dumb and had it pointing in the wrong place. |
| 05:09.35 | yakko | hey guys, does Debian support add-apt-repository ??? |
| 05:09.57 | cardamon | steve464646: Any method is only as as safe your method of authentication. |
| 05:10.17 | steve464646 | yakko, you want to change your sources.list? |
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| 05:10.36 | yakko | steve464646: add-apt-repository ppa:chris-lea/node.js |
| 05:10.51 | steve464646 | cardamon; right, but is there any downside/penalty for not using a Display Manager? |
| 05:10.51 | cardamon | IE: Any access they have with one, they have with the other...although having a DM automatically log you in is of course less secure than not having it. |
| 05:10.58 | freaky[t] | is there anything like a gui system profiler which shows me spikes or why the system freezes for a short time or whatever? |
| 05:11.31 | steve464646 | yakko; sorry not sure about adding ppas in debian - have only done it in ubuntu |
| 05:11.35 | cardamon | steve464646: Easier to switch users/environments with a DM. |
| 05:12.04 | yakko | steve464646: is there a way to check witch version of nodejs it's going to intall if I run apt-get install ? |
| 05:12.30 | steve464646 | yakko: yes i think apt-get or aptitude has a 'pretend' command |
| 05:12.31 | steve464646 | let me look |
| 05:12.45 | yakko | steve464646: thx :) |
| 05:12.56 | steve464646 | yakko: or just check the package version for whatever 'release' you're runnning |
| 05:13.21 | steve464646 | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nodejs |
| 05:13.34 | yakko | steve464646: I really don't understand |
| 05:13.49 | steve464646 | cardamon: mostly a speed thing - this is a slow-ish netbook and sometimes I might only want to get into vim or something |
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| 05:13.59 | steve464646 | yakko: which version of debian are you running |
| 05:14.11 | yakko | steve464646: 6 |
| 05:14.31 | peterrooney | yakko: apt-get --recon install # there is also apt-cache show <package> |
| 05:14.33 | ewbs | yakko, assuming nodejs is the package name (can't find in squeeze), 'apt-cache policy nodejs' will give you what you seek |
| 05:14.33 | steve464646 | hmmm, I only see it listed for <unstable> |
| 05:14.56 | steve464646 | maybe someone who is more familiar with backports can help |
| 05:15.14 | yakko | steve464646: on the link you gave me, nodejs is version 0.6, but on their website, it's 0.8 |
| 05:15.38 | yakko | steve464646: I guess I'll just have to add repos manually =) |
| 05:15.44 | steve464646 | for <unstable> , which is more recent than you are running, that is the package that is in the repository |
| 05:16.15 | steve464646 | yakko: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager might be worth looking at |
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| 05:16.37 | cardamon | heh, node. |
| 05:16.59 | steve464646 | kicked him right in the node |
| 05:17.10 | yakko | steve464646: yeah, I'm following that very page |
| 05:17.21 | cardamon | node was the subject of some drama recently. |
| 05:17.35 | yakko | steve464646: I was just wondering if there was a quicker way, but I'm totally fine with it =) |
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| 05:17.47 | yakko | steve464646: thanks for the support =) |
| 05:18.02 | steve464646 | yeah yakko, just keep in mind when you manually install things like that their updates won't be handled by apt-get or aptitude |
| 05:19.07 | yakko | steve464646: which is even better, since I don't want my server to install new stuff that I haven't ran my tests on |
| 05:19.09 | yakko | :) |
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| 05:19.16 | steve464646 | awesome |
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| 05:22.26 | yakko | steve464646: why does Debian suggest me download 53 CDs? |
| 05:22.41 | steve464646 | yakko; is this your first install? |
| 05:22.54 | yakko | steve464646: yeah, I'm migrating from Ubuntu |
| 05:23.17 | steve464646 | yakko: First off, way to be, I'm proud of you :D Second, you only need that first CD |
| 05:23.26 | steve464646 | OR you can use the netboot iso |
| 05:23.29 | steve464646 | OR the business card |
| 05:23.31 | steve464646 | doesn't really matter |
| 05:23.42 | yakko | steve464646: I don't have a fast internet :( |
| 05:23.58 | steve464646 | Those 53 CDs are essentially ALL of the packages available for Debian (over 20,000) |
| 05:24.06 | steve464646 | yakko: tell me what kind of system you want to set up |
| 05:24.18 | cardamon | yakko: We don't. Just get the netinst anyway. Since you need to download something, logically, why download packages you don't need in grabbing the iso? |
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| 05:25.07 | yakko | steve464646: a virtualized debian 32 desktop to work, and a debian 32 server |
| 05:25.30 | cardamon | wat |
| 05:25.39 | steve464646 | so Ubuntu will still be your *host* operating system? |
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| 05:26.15 | yakko | steve464646: I might get banned if I speak the name of my host OS in this channel ;) |
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| 05:26.38 | steve464646 | No worries |
| 05:26.51 | yakko | steve464646: it's because of hardware shit, I swear! |
| 05:26.52 | steve464646 | I thought you were going to do a physical install - doesn't matter |
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| 05:27.03 | yakko | nah, virtual box |
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| 05:27.12 | steve464646 | get the i386 netinstall |
| 05:27.21 | steve464646 | I think it's like ~200 megs |
| 05:27.53 | steve464646 | there's a text-based install and a graphical install for whatever you're comfortable with (they're really the same, one just lets you use a mouse if you want) |
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| 05:28.29 | steve464646 | and one of the steps in that process will allow you to select some software you might want on the machine by category : ex. |
| 05:28.47 | yakko | steve464646: so it installs debian-server than let's me pick gnome/kde and downloads in the fly? |
| 05:28.54 | steve464646 | "Desktop Environment" "ssh server" "file server" "laptop utilitites" |
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| 05:29.06 | steve464646 | well, it depends on how you run the installer |
| 05:29.24 | steve464646 | at that step i'm talking about (the process itself is <tasksel>) you get to choose |
| 05:29.42 | steve464646 | the bottom entry is "Standard System utilities" which is kind of the base debian system |
| 05:29.50 | steve464646 | let me see if i can find you a good installer doc |
| 05:29.57 | yakko | steve464646: will it say "hey, hit some key to download stuff", or will it require me to do it manually? |
| 05:30.26 | steve464646 | it will ask you what you want installed, I think it differs from the ubuntu desktop installer in that respect |
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| 05:31.04 | yakko | yeah, Ubuntu lets you try the UI without installing, which is pretty sweet for total noobs :) |
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| 05:31.16 | steve464646 | actually! there is a liveCD |
| 05:31.19 | steve464646 | for debian |
| 05:31.22 | steve464646 | do you want to try that? |
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| 05:31.33 | steve464646 | it will probably be a ~700mb download |
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| 05:31.58 | yakko | Debian looks just like what Ubuntu used to like 4 years ago, I don't really need to evaluate it, as long as I have apt-get :) |
| 05:32.44 | steve464646 | well, this is a whole different discussion, but ubuntu 12.04 can be made to look like the old gnome, you just have to install the package gnome-classic |
| 05:33.02 | steve464646 | and then at the Display Manager/logon screen you select that desktop "Gnome Classic" |
| 05:33.25 | yakko | BTW, everytime I use "sudo" on my server as root, it says the command doesnt exist |
| 05:33.30 | Dewi | yakko: more like 2 years ago |
| 05:33.41 | yakko | am I missing some critical diff in here or is it just cause I'm root? |
| 05:33.51 | Dewi | yakko: do you have sudo installed? |
| 05:33.54 | steve464646 | don't need sudo if you are root |
| 05:34.08 | steve464646 | and yeah, if you're doing a minimal install, might need to install the package |
| 05:34.10 | yakko | yeah, I'm used not to NEEDING it, but it says it's not installed |
| 05:34.10 | Dewi | steve464646: sudo has other uses than becoming root |
| 05:34.27 | yakko | oh, cool, I'll install it |
| 05:34.30 | steve464646 | dewi: why would you need it |
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| 05:34.57 | Dewi | steve464646: to become another user |
| 05:35.00 | yakko | cool, I installed sudo lol |
| 05:35.13 | steve464646 | isn't that just su <user> ? |
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| 05:35.51 | Dewi | steve464646: sure, but sudo might be more compatible |
| 05:35.58 | Dewi | depending on what you're doing |
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| 05:36.59 | steve464646 | How would I go about getting the artwork for the current Gnome of <testing>? |
| 05:37.08 | steve464646 | If I'm on xfce |
| 05:37.16 | steve464646 | I want one of the backgrounds from that desktop |
| 05:37.48 | ewbs | apt-get install gnome-backgrounds ? |
| 05:38.01 | steve464646 | but any idea where that might unpack to? |
| 05:38.07 | jeep | steve464646: /usr/share usually |
| 05:38.51 | Dewi | steve464646: look up the package on packages.debian.org |
| 05:39.03 | yakko | hey guys, is there any virtual training online for sysadmins on Debian? I'd really like to study it deeper, my background is on YOU-KNOW-WHAT servers |
| 05:39.07 | Dewi | steve464646: or if it's installed, there's a dpkg command to list the contents |
| 05:39.08 | ewbs | /usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds/gnome |
| 05:39.21 | Dewi | yakko: redhat? |
| 05:39.33 | steve464646 | puppy linux |
| 05:39.40 | steve464646 | ubuntu satanic edition |
| 05:39.44 | yakko | Dewi: no, the one that's not Unix-based |
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| 05:39.58 | steve464646 | Windoze |
| 05:40.19 | steve464646 | thanks ewbs |
| 05:40.20 | Dewi | yakko: OS/2 Warp? |
| 05:40.21 | yakko | steve464646: everytime somebody speaks it's name a fair dies |
| 05:40.26 | Dewi | :) |
| 05:40.40 | steve464646 | minix |
| 05:40.46 | steve464646 | Nothing wrong with Windows man |
| 05:43.51 | yakko | steve464646: yes there is :) |
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| 05:43.52 | yakko | steve464646: so, it should just be CD1 from this list, right? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 05:43.52 | steve464646 | yes |
| 05:43.52 | steve464646 | if you want a gnome desktop |
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| 05:44.37 | steve464646 | are you familiar with the hash commands? |
| 05:44.40 | steve464646 | md5sum? |
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| 05:44.49 | steve464646 | to check the integrity of the download |
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| 05:45.37 | yakko | steve464646: cool, hey, tell me about xfce desktop, u like it? |
| 05:46.21 | bolt | "ubuntu satanic edition"... brilliant. but is it just a stock ubuntu with a dark theme, some wallpapers and some free metal mp3's? guess that's enough to troll the christian ubuntu edition people. |
| 05:46.22 | uuu84 | i get the following error chroot: failed to run command `export': No such file or directory when i run chroot /mnt/ export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
| 05:46.23 | steve464646 | yakko: I really do like XFCE a lot |
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| 05:46.48 | steve464646 | xfce is not so different to gnome, and actually even has a couple of features i prefer |
| 05:46.53 | yakko | steve464646: how should I install it for debian? |
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| 05:47.17 | steve464646 | bolt: haha yeah i believe so just minor tweaks - still enough to unsettle people $$$ :D |
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| 05:47.32 | yakko | steve464646: assume I'm using that CD |
| 05:47.37 | steve464646 | yakko, there is an .iso in that list for XFCE or LXDE |
| 05:47.43 | steve464646 | since you're virtualizing, try them all out |
| 05:48.01 | steve464646 | just to get a taste of XFCE, trying xubuntu is always a good idea |
| 05:48.14 | steve464646 | it comes 'out of the box' a little more configured and nicer to look at |
| 05:48.25 | steve464646 | just so you can see a little of how it *can* look |
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| 05:48.44 | yakko | steve464646: cool, just to check, that CD is the whole intalation, right? I don't need both |
| 05:48.53 | steve464646 | then you come back to debian and have something rock-solid and configure the appearance a little |
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| 05:49.16 | steve464646 | yakko: really any of the CDs can be used to install any desktop, but that's going to complicate things |
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| 05:49.45 | steve464646 | for now you might just want to get the regular iso for installing gnome or the other isos for those desktops |
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| 05:51.05 | steve464646 | but if you have some linux juice and feel comfortable, all of the documentation exists if you just want to use the netinst iso and manually specify what to install |
| 05:51.08 | yakko | steve464646: yeah, just checking |
| 05:51.44 | fprophet | Any suggestions for an X application that will install .deb packages? |
| 05:51.53 | yakko | steve464646: weird, I can't use auto-resize with my Ubuntu 12.04 inside VBox |
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| 05:52.23 | yakko | I gotta go to bed |
| 05:52.33 | yakko | steve464646: thansk a lot man :) |
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| 05:52.42 | yakko | really appreciate it |
| 05:52.44 | steve464646 | yakko: have a good one |
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| 05:53.01 | steve464646 | fprophet: i think gdebi - let me look |
| 05:53.34 | steve464646 | yeah, that should be it |
| 05:53.49 | steve464646 | ls |
| 05:53.54 | fprophet | steve464646: I'll take a look |
| 05:54.02 | steve464646 | oops -ls |
| 05:54.27 | ZekeS | a terminal emulator with dpkg? *ducks* |
| 05:55.17 | steve464646 | to me? |
| 05:55.30 | steve464646 | my ls was a *wrong keyboard* |
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| 05:56.59 | fprophet | steve: gdebi is for gnome? I'm running xfce |
| 05:57.13 | steve464646 | i think it doesn't matter - it's GTK |
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| 05:57.44 | steve464646 | let me see what dependencies it has |
| 05:58.59 | steve464646 | yeah it looks like it only has two |
| 05:59.04 | steve464646 | err one* |
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| 06:02.06 | visof | MBR is 512 in size of the first part of the disk, right?, and MBR contain the boot loader or part of the boot loader to load the kernel, ok?, when multiboot two different systems should i install MBR for both systems ? |
| 06:02.10 | visof | or what ? |
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| 06:02.55 | steve464646 | visof: you only need one instance of grub installed in the MBR |
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| 06:03.26 | steve464646 | visof: from that one grub you will choose which operating system you want to boot (if more than one is installed) |
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| 06:40.24 | nmschulte | Is there anyway to resize the root FS from single usermode? |
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| 07:11.37 | nvz | what can I use to copy stuff off a disk where I know there will be i/o errors and have it automatically skip those files? |
| 07:12.29 | bolt | nvz: if there will be io errors, make an image with dd. mount that, copy from the mounted image |
| 07:12.39 | bolt | nvz: why would you have io errors anyway? |
| 07:12.49 | nvz | that requires a LOT of space |
| 07:12.53 | nvz | the disk is dying |
| 07:13.01 | bolt | aaaand no backups? |
| 07:13.20 | nvz | no I just want whatever I can get and not have to watch it |
| 07:13.38 | nvz | did this once already then due to huge clusterfuck had to start over |
| 07:13.47 | nvz | so I already know whats not gonna make it |
| 07:14.01 | nvz | dont wanna have to sit here and watch it to tell it to skip for hours |
| 07:14.27 | nvz | I have the space to do the imagething but that means copying over100gb twice |
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| 07:14.52 | nvz | couldnt find anything in rsync or cp manpages to just skip automatically |
| 07:15.31 | bolt | though i'm sure some specialized tool exists, i'd suggest just using find and calling cp for each file |
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| 07:15.34 | nvz | with 512mb ram things are complicated..thats how I screwed up first time madeawhole 2tb partition asroot fs |
| 07:15.51 | nvz | its too big for me to even fsck without running out of memory |
| 07:15.59 | nvz | had to repartition and start over |
| 07:16.06 | ChrisH | nmschulte: LVM involved? With LVM its possible even in multi user |
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| 07:16.48 | bolt | nvz: something like "find /mount/point -type f -exec cp '{}' /my/new/drive/ \;" will try and copy each file, continuing if one fails |
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| 07:17.21 | bolt | nvz: you might want to create directories recursively. perhaps the --parents option for cp will do so? never tried it |
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| 07:18.02 | ChrisH | bolt: I would not use mv but cp ; In case something fails on the new disk all data is gone. |
| 07:18.17 | bolt | did i use mv? |
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| 07:18.31 | nvz | obviously not going to use mv |
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| 07:18.39 | nvz | thats not even an option |
| 07:18.47 | nvz | I'm running off the disk now |
| 07:18.47 | bolt | doesn't recall recommending mv |
| 07:19.09 | nvz | yeah thats a no brainer and not an option.. he's just not paying attention.heh |
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| 07:19.39 | nvz | the find thing is interesting but doesnt seem like it'll preserve directory structure |
| 07:19.52 | bolt | nvz: that's what i suggested --parents might do |
| 07:19.57 | ChrisH | bolt: Sorry... too early in the morning. saw mv where cp was. |
| 07:20.22 | nvz | hmm.. idk |
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| 07:20.41 | nvz | I'm debootstrapping the 2tb drive now could wait and do this from that drive |
| 07:20.53 | nvz | not real sure how to setup grub properly from here |
| 07:21.00 | bolt | nvz: or you could be more elaborate and call mkdir "$(dirname '{}')" first |
| 07:21.02 | ChrisH | nvz: I asume neither md nor LVM in place... |
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| 07:21.11 | nvz | could figger it out if i used lilo or something old.. heh |
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| 07:21.35 | nvz | nope no md or lvm |
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| 07:22.43 | nvz | I had the vast majority of it copied and the 2tb drive setup and working but had to hose it because I realized it was too big for my rootfs and it locked up resizing it down so I could make another partition and couldnt fsck to get it back |
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| 07:23.34 | nvz | screwed up and orderred the wrong ram so I'm working with only 512mb and only swap I could make was on this dying drive.. fsck of 2tb inthat scenario will take 6mo |
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| 07:24.49 | nvz | cant handle partitions that big with no memory and no swap partition so I had to start over :-P |
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| 07:25.00 | ChrisH | I add md and LVM even on a single disk setup to be prepared for such situtions. mdadm --add or pvmove. But this does not help you now... ddreescue to get an image even with read errors? tried that? |
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| 07:25.43 | nvz | yeah the dd method seems curious but as I said that has me copying over 100gb data twice with 512mb ram |
| 07:26.03 | nvz | I.e. can't multitask on this machine.. if I'm doing that for hours I can't use the pc |
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| 07:27.31 | nvz | sure itll be a lot faster the 2nd time but still |
| 07:28.03 | nvz | if there is a tool that can ignore the errors and just copy it normally to a new fs thats what I need |
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| 07:28.43 | nvz | otherwise I'll just wait and do it later |
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| 07:31.41 | Miklos | Hmm, anyone tried running squeeze on AMD G Series APU? The console works fine with normal kernel but when I use the bpo 3.2 kernels my console is distorted in a pixel risotto |
| 07:31.55 | Miklos | Grub works fine in all resolutions I've tried - it's right after 'waiting for /dev to get populated' and there is a mode switch |
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| 07:34.26 | nvz | Miklos: use nomodeset and various options to disable it |
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| 07:34.45 | Miklos | I've tried nomodeset without luck - do you have any other grub suggestions :) |
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| 07:35.06 | nvz | nomodeset, nofb , vga=normal |
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| 07:35.17 | nvz | there are lots of related options |
| 07:35.38 | Miklos | and these options are passed on after grub hands off? |
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| 07:37.31 | nvz | Miklos: theyre passed to the kernel command line from grub |
| 07:38.37 | Miklos | thanks |
| 07:39.08 | graham1 | hi, how do i make sure that all of /home/user/downloads/ is deletable by "user"? |
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| 07:39.24 | graham1 | for some reason some folders are deletable and some aren't!? |
| 07:40.12 | ChrisH | graham1: why is it not deletable by user? BTW I have my brwosers download to /tmp ... can you pastebin id -a ; ls -l from /home/user/downloads/ to paste.debian.org ? |
| 07:40.42 | graham1 | it just says "permission denied" when i delete from sftp |
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| 07:40.48 | lewis | hi |
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| 07:40.52 | lewis | how can i install vim |
| 07:41.02 | nvz | graham1: chmod -r 700 /home/user; chown -R user:user /home/user |
| 07:41.34 | nvz | graham1: chmod -R 700 /home/user; chown -R user:user /home/user |
| 07:41.46 | graham1 | second one? what does that do exactly? |
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| 07:42.22 | nvz | graham1: sets the entire homedir and all its contents to be owned by the user and full access for that user and nobody else |
| 07:42.36 | nvz | which is how it should be |
| 07:42.46 | nvz | use 755 to allow it to be read by others |
| 07:42.53 | nvz | erm |
| 07:43.04 | nvz | yeah |
| 07:43.12 | graham1 | why would some folders be deletable and some not? |
| 07:43.26 | nvz | apparently someone did something as another user |
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| 07:43.36 | ChrisH | graham1: as long as you do not show us the requested output we can only guess... |
| 07:43.40 | nvz | it happens |
| 07:44.11 | nvz | just set the whole homedir permissions and be over it |
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| 07:45.05 | nvz | hmm.. for some reason I'm getting really crappy download speeds from the mirrors |
| 07:45.24 | nvz | slightly above dialup speeds |
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| 07:46.48 | nvz | need to get antennas for this router so I can just use it as a bridge |
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| 07:47.50 | rainfyre | nvz: what kind of speeds? |
| 07:48.03 | nvz | for whatever reason it works in WDS+AP mode here but not as Ethernet bridge cause its too weak a signal |
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| 07:48.33 | nvz | 60kb/s roughly from any of mirrors.kernel.org us.debian.org or security |
| 07:48.47 | nvz | gonna take 2hrs to install and its been going awhile.. |
| 07:49.05 | lewis | how to i install vim from the packet manager |
| 07:49.06 | rainfyre | oh man that's crazy |
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| 07:49.13 | lewis | is it just "vim" |
| 07:49.20 | rainfyre | aptitude search vim |
| 07:49.54 | rainfyre | looks like it is |
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| 07:50.53 | lewis | rainfyre : does apt-get has a similar command? |
| 07:51.02 | nvz | goes to check the routers |
| 07:51.03 | ChrisH | lewis: apt-cache search |
| 07:51.04 | lewis | rainfyre: and how do you know this is the right one to pick |
| 07:51.40 | lewis | ChrisH: never mind, aptitude has a better output layout |
| 07:52.10 | ChrisH | lewis: ACK, I only use aptitude for searching and apt-* for the rest |
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| 07:53.23 | lewis | ChrisH: why do people prefer apt-get over aptitude |
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| 07:54.38 | ChrisH | lewis: I do not know why others do... but I personally do not understand the output from aptitude install XYZ completetly and therefore use apt-get which clearly tells me why it cannot do something I requested |
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| 07:55.09 | graham1 | sorry back thanks for help |
| 07:55.15 | Sm0ke0ut | I do undestand the output but it's automatism for me to use apt-get |
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| 07:57.09 | lewis | which brings me to the next question |
| 07:57.14 | graham1 | how do you think the permissions for "user" could have been changed anyway? all of them were written to that directory from transmission daemon? |
| 07:57.15 | lewis | why bother having two packet manager |
| 07:57.41 | lewis | installed by default* |
| 07:57.52 | ChrisH | lewis: why not? The backen is dpkg for both |
| 07:57.58 | rainfyre | lewis: apt-get is a little quicker |
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| 08:00.39 | rainfyre | lewis: they used to handle package management conflicts differently |
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| 08:04.39 | nevyn | aptitude still handles reccomands and complex conflicts better imho |
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| 08:05.19 | nevyn | in particular allowing choice of how a particular conflict is resolved aptitude handles better |
| 08:05.46 | rainfyre | that's a good point |
| 08:06.05 | rainfyre | I use aptitude by habit, but on my slower machines apt-get is noticibly faster |
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| 08:07.40 | Stummi | Hi, iam trying to create an udev rule to recnoize an usb-device as an usb-to-serial converter (FTDI) if the vendor-id matches to one i specifiy. |
| 08:07.45 | Dewi | nevyn: I thought that stuff got backported into apt-get? |
| 08:07.59 | Dewi | nevyn: like a couple of stables ago |
| 08:08.18 | Dewi | or maybe aptitude has again improved since then? |
| 08:08.45 | Stummi | however, i don't get it.. somebody here who already did something like this before and can give me some hints? |
| 08:08.50 | nevyn | I also prefer the aptitude curses tui to apt-get for tricky things |
| 08:08.59 | nevyn | try doing something like changing jack with apt-get |
| 08:09.17 | rainfyre | that's a good point too |
| 08:09.25 | rainfyre | synaptic won't do that either |
| 08:09.31 | nevyn | so there are two jackd's in debian only one of which can be installed |
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| 08:10.00 | nevyn | jack2 which requires libjack2 and blah and jackd which requires libjack |
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| 08:10.34 | nevyn | and if you've got a bunch of apps installed and want to switch them aptitude is the only thing I've seen that can do it without pulling out all your jack dependant apps |
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| 08:11.04 | nevyn | also this is a really good test for packaging bugs. because if an app insists on one implementation or the other it's broken |
| 08:12.02 | lewis | After reading quick notes about aptitude and apt-get , I think that most people have no idea what the difference is - aptitude is apparently a frontend to aptget management infrastructure with more features |
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| 08:12.43 | nvz | Stummi: udevadm info --attribute-walk --path=/sys/bus/usb-serial/devices/ttyUSB0 |
| 08:12.49 | Dewi | lewis: aptitude has both, it's not just a frontend |
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| 08:13.29 | nvz | Stummi: create a file /etc/udev/rules.d/USB_FTDI.rules |
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| 08:13.32 | Stummi | nvz, it says device path not found |
| 08:13.36 | Dewi | lewis: I mean it's an alternative to apt-get AND a frontend |
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| 08:13.51 | Stummi | nvz, the device isn't recnoized as ttyUSB yet. this is what i try to reach |
| 08:14.07 | nvz | Stummi: well load the ftdi_sio drive |
| 08:14.21 | Stummi | where? |
| 08:14.31 | nvz | modprobe ftdi_sio |
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| 08:14.48 | nvz | you generally get something to work before you write rules for it |
| 08:15.18 | Stummi | nvz, i have the module already loaded. It is not recognoized as ttyUSB cause it doesn't has the FTDI-VendorID i think but an other |
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| 08:15.36 | boudiccas | lewis, this morning wheezy had a load of updates with some held back with apt-get , but aptitude quitre happily went ahead and downloaded them all. when you cant use one, then try the other! :) |
| 08:16.07 | Stummi | nvz, with the last firmware-version the device worked on my machine under /dev/ttyUSB0.. the new firmware-version has another vendorID (not FTDI but the vendorID of the Device-Vendor) |
| 08:16.17 | Stummi | and it doesn't work anymore |
| 08:16.55 | Dewi | lewis: that said, apt-get has backported the functional aptitude improvements in the past so I'm not actually sure how they differ now |
| 08:17.29 | lewis | Dewi: a frontend would be an alternative |
| 08:18.08 | lewis | Dewi: are you telling me that the documentation on debian.org is outdated |
| 08:18.11 | Dewi | lewis: frontend implies a different UI, not a different function |
| 08:18.38 | Dewi | aptitude, at least for some of its history, *functioned* in a more sophisticated way, didn't just look different |
| 08:18.48 | lewis | Dewi: that is why is said that this is a front end to apt-get with more features* |
| 08:18.51 | Dewi | (tracking auto-installs etc) |
| 08:19.26 | lewis | this is why I* |
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| 08:22.30 | Stummi | nvz, to specify my problem: I have an vendor id and product which is unknown to linux but a default usb-serial-converter |
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| 08:22.57 | Stummi | nvz, my linux already can use usb-serial-converters, but only if it "knows" that this device is an usb-serial-converter |
| 08:23.09 | Stummi | so i have to tell it, that this special vendor/producID is one |
| 08:23.25 | afidegnum | hi, good mornig, I think this is about change or ownership or change group, I don't know but how do I run this command dtc:dtcgrp |
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| 08:23.55 | ChrisH | afidegnum: most probably chown dtc:dtcgrp FILENAME |
| 08:23.56 | frikinz | Stummi: I've done exactly the same with ftdi. But some time ago and haven't kept my notes. As nvz said, you only have to write a rule that matches your vendorid. As the vendorid is reflashable, yes, you will have to create your custom rule that applies to your device. In my case, i used this to ... |
| 08:24.01 | frikinz | ... differenciate both device (I have 2 ftdi interface) |
| 08:24.08 | afidegnum | ah, ok, |
| 08:24.56 | afidegnum | please have a look at this context for me "I've installed php5-fpm via apt-get and nginx from source and configured them to run as dtc:dtcgrp" |
| 08:25.30 | afidegnum | nginx is not made as a single folder as you might know |
| 08:26.28 | Stummi | frikinz, exactly. but what do i have to write into this rule? 'ACTION=="add", ATTR{idVendor}=="<vendorid>"' to select it, but i can't find out how to say "this is a usb-serial-device" than |
| 08:27.17 | afidegnum | how do I confiure php5-fpm and nginx to run as dtc:dtcgrp |
| 08:27.49 | nvz | Stummi: google it.. I had the info but shit hit the fan here |
| 08:28.08 | nvz | udev rule usb serial |
| 08:28.20 | afidegnum | ChrisH: any idea? |
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| 08:28.43 | no_gravity | Hello! On my Debian 6 machine, can I easily update icedove to the latest thunderbird? |
| 08:29.10 | Stummi | nvz, already tried. this only gives me some "howtos" to give already known devices an persistent name |
| 08:29.13 | KsM | Isn't `whois` supposed to come with the package bsdmainutils? |
| 08:29.32 | ChrisH | afidegnum: I do not understand what your question is. You wrote "I've installed...and configured them to run as dtc:dtcgrp" So you did it already!? |
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| 08:30.17 | afidegnum | no, I asked a configuraiton question in a forum and someone answered it, I am looking up to how to configure it |
| 08:30.36 | nvz | Stummi: I know for a fact the answer is in the first 3 results I just saw it before this machine locked up |
| 08:31.00 | nvz | showed exactly how to match the vendor id and set it to load the ftdi driver |
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| 08:33.03 | nvz | I got my irc cient running on a router appliance and my coputer is all fubar right now so I'm in and out.. heh.. gotta be resourceful |
| 08:33.06 | ChrisH | Stummi: My experience with udev were more disappointing and rebooting did work better on changes than any reload, re-trigger actions. reboot on each change to my rules made me less unhappy |
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| 08:34.08 | Stummi | nvz, the first three google results just tell me how to give an persistant name to an alread known converter. this is not what i want |
| 08:34.14 | Stummi | *already |
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| 08:36.14 | mooperd | Anyone got some ideas how I can probe nfs statistics beyond nfsstat. It just seems to give operation stats but I want to know what the buffers and queues are doing etc |
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| 08:37.55 | Stummi | nvz, may to rephrase my problem another way: i want to say "handle the vendor id $foobar exactly as you would handle the vendorID from FTDI" |
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| 08:38.13 | Stummi | cause my device is an FTDI with a reflashed vendorID |
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| 08:41.11 | strk | where's ntop configuration file ? |
| 08:41.24 | ChrisH | Stummi: did you find the standard FTDI udev File? |
| 08:42.15 | Stummi | ChrisH, i found /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-serial.rules. But iam not sure if this is the right thing |
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| 08:43.39 | nvz | ah there we go.. now I should be slightly more stable from here on in.. heh |
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| 08:46.00 | nvz | ah shit... heh |
| 08:46.06 | nvz | can't believe I seriously just did that |
| 08:46.18 | darsie | Do I need pulseaudio or jackd to capture video with sound with xvidcap? |
| 08:46.24 | ChrisH | Stummi: 60-persistent-serial.rules |
| 08:46.26 | nvz | apparently i booted with both / and /home mounted to / |
| 08:46.35 | nvz | I have no clue what I just fubared |
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| 08:47.26 | nvz | or how to fix it other than rewrite fstab and reboot |
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| 08:47.50 | ChrisH | Stummi: 60-persistent-serial.rules defines a SUBSYSTEMS=="usb-serial" that muste be a starting point.. but as said I experience with udev was negative |
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| 08:48.12 | Stummi | okay |
| 08:48.28 | ChrisH | Stummi: I was only able to get it to work once with a similar problem, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631278 |
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| 08:49.39 | Stummi | ChrisH, i will see, thanks |
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| 08:55.42 | frikinz | Found my code. in fact I didn't even play with udev rules. I used ftdi_init() and then ftdi_set_interface and then ftdi_usb_open_desc(p_ftdic, 0x0403, 0xBCDA, desc.c_str(),SERIAL1) to get a ref to the first device. Same with SERIAL2 to get the second device |
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| 08:56.38 | frikinz | that was to use bitbang mode (GPIO like) |
| 08:57.26 | nvz | nothing like whackin your bits when you're home alone |
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| 08:58.40 | frikinz | and in the end, it worked amazingly well :) had to search a little because on init (ie when the machine booted) the driver would change the state of the output and that was unacceptable for the remote system |
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| 09:16.25 | nvz | hmm apparently cp doesn't halt and ask on i/o errors just copies what it can and moves on |
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| 09:19.53 | prooz | How can i use cut or awk to print everyting after a certain column/field? |
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| 09:20.51 | TexasHoldem | prooz awk '{print $3}' |
| 09:21.02 | TexasHoldem | prooz would print the 3'rd column |
| 09:21.28 | prooz | Yeah, but i also want the 4th, 5th and everything left |
| 09:21.54 | prooz | But the number of columns vary |
| 09:21.57 | nvz | prooz: cut -d " " -f 4 |
| 09:22.04 | TexasHoldem | prooz: off the top of my head, and this is not the pest answer use mor then one print.. so print $1 $2 $3 $4 |
| 09:22.15 | nvz | change " " if the delimiter is not a space |
| 09:22.38 | prooz | Delimiter is a space, but when using that command will only print field 4 |
| 09:22.44 | TexasHoldem | brb |
| 09:22.46 | TexasHoldem | exit |
| 09:22.49 | TexasHoldem | lol |
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| 09:23.21 | nvz | prooz: will it be the same number of chars inthe first 3 fields you dont want? |
| 09:23.43 | prooz | nvz: Unfortunately, no |
| 09:24.22 | nvz | prooz: then use -f 4- |
| 09:25.11 | prooz | nvz: Ah, that did the job. Thanks. |
| 09:25.20 | nvz | i.e. ls -l / | cut -d " " -f 2- |
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| 09:27.03 | nvz | this disk isn't too bad I have copied 25GB so far and only had two I/O errors |
| 09:28.01 | TexasHoldem | nvz :: i'll cross my fingers for you |
| 09:28.16 | nvz | not concerned I just want whatever it'll get |
| 09:28.50 | nvz | already have a pretty good idea where the bad spots are and there are very few files that arent gonna copy |
| 09:29.03 | nvz | just rathered it skipped them than copied em incomplete |
| 09:29.07 | nvz | now I gotta kep |
| 09:29.13 | nvz | keep track and delete em |
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| 09:29.58 | TexasHoldem | nvz : shouldn't e2fsck repaid it anyway |
| 09:30.03 | TexasHoldem | *repair |
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| 09:30.33 | nvz | na the disk is damaged.. its a really old notebook drive I lugged around hiking in a netbook for years then used in a laptop for almost a year |
| 09:30.34 | Miklos | nvz: I tried the settings you suggested for Grub earlier - it only worked on first boot after installing 3.2 bpo3 on a fresh squeeze |
| 09:30.48 | Miklos | all boots after the screen is still garbled |
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| 09:31.04 | phet | Hi |
| 09:31.04 | Miklos | even with gfxpayload=text in grub |
| 09:31.24 | nvz | phet: not yet, but we're working on it |
| 09:31.58 | phet | I installed w7 in my disk, leaving 30 gigs of free space. Then I installed debian wheezy in that free space. Everything is ok but the installator in the grub part doesnt recognize the other OS. It says "this is the only OS in the system" |
| 09:32.01 | phet | nvz: is that for me? |
| 09:32.09 | nvz | phet: yep |
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| 09:32.32 | nvz | phet: you said hi and I said, not yet, but we're workig on it |
| 09:32.42 | nvz | clearly that joke isn't for everyone |
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| 09:32.52 | Miklos | I wonder what happens after /dev gets populated - and there is a mode change of sorts |
| 09:32.53 | phet | nvz: ahh well maybe you can help me with my boot problem |
| 09:32.53 | TexasHoldem | nvz: you seem to know aht your talking about, at least with block copies. You know anything about udev, i'm trying to get a new nic to pickup but it doesn't seem to want to do so.. how to I generate the rule.d file or verify the kernel has loaded the nic |
| 09:33.10 | Miklos | even with nofb fb=fale nomodeset in grub_linux_cmds |
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| 09:33.54 | nvz | TexasHoldem: I'm no udev guru.. got a small problem with mine right now udev is renaming it eth3 for who knows what reason |
| 09:34.12 | nvz | will fix it later when I'm done installing and migrating data and can f'n google it.. heh |
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| 09:34.35 | TexasHoldem | nvz: you should just be able to rename it |
| 09:35.07 | nvz | TexasHoldem: yeah well I'll only ever have one network device on this machine just want it to be eth0 all the time |
| 09:35.44 | nvz | this is why I bought the Netgear WNR3500L.. it makes my onboard nic everything it wants to be.. heh |
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| 09:36.23 | mooperd | Is there anyway to see tcp buffer metrics? |
| 09:37.05 | nvz | if I had any idea what tcp buffer metrics were I might know |
| 09:37.21 | mooperd | Well, you have tpc buffers |
| 09:37.26 | mooperd | How full are they |
| 09:37.29 | nvz | I do? |
| 09:37.49 | mooperd | nvz: I hope so |
| 09:38.36 | TexasHoldem | nvz:lol |
| 09:38.41 | mooperd | Im trying to work out what is strangling nfs on my clients |
| 09:39.03 | mooperd | I want to understand more about the various buffers and queues |
| 09:39.06 | nvz | mooperd: /proc/net/tcp of any use? |
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| 09:39.16 | nvz | mooperd: shows tx/rx queue info |
| 09:40.12 | nvz | mooperd: everything in the kernel gets exposed in the filesystem info is found in /proc or the more modern /sys |
| 09:40.19 | mooperd | nvz: ah |
| 09:40.26 | ChrisH | mooperd: I saw your request several times... I assume you checked nfsstat -c for retransmissions |
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| 09:42.13 | beardy | mooperd: cat /proc/net/sockstats, I thought NFS used UDP though. |
| 09:42.16 | ChrisH | mooperd: What is your problem seen? |
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| 09:43.34 | phet | I think my problems are with UEFI. It seems the installer cannot work with it |
| 09:43.36 | phet | am I right? |
| 09:44.07 | Lasse- | GRUB2 does support UEFI. |
| 09:44.24 | phet | Lasse-: Debian does not detect it |
| 09:44.37 | phet | the installer says: nothing is here |
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| 09:45.14 | Lasse- | I myself have UEFI turned off anyway |
| 09:45.21 | Lasse- | since I use syslinux which for now doesn't support UEFI. |
| 09:45.35 | Lasse- | So no idea how to proceed with GRUB2 UEFI, sorry. |
| 09:46.03 | Lasse- | In my personal opinion syslinux is a lot easier to set up & use |
| 09:46.13 | nvz | would be nice if it just moved on when it starts throwing IO errors rather than waiting to throw a dozen of em..heh |
| 09:46.25 | nvz | and skipped copying the file |
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| 09:46.57 | phet | Lasse-: the installer only allows me to install grub or lilo |
| 09:47.19 | beardy | nvz: dd can be talked into doing just that |
| 09:47.32 | Lasse- | phet: Yeah, most installers do. |
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| 09:47.43 | mooperd | retrans = 0 |
| 09:47.44 | nvz | beardy: yeah but I didnt want to have to make and mount an image and copy it all over again out of the image |
| 09:47.46 | beardy | phet: You need to go in and fix things manually. |
| 09:47.55 | phet | beardy: how? |
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| 09:48.36 | mooperd | ChrisH: Well, not really a particular problem but I have a very high performance nfs box and an infiniband connection. |
| 09:48.39 | beardy | phet: Boot something, mount and chroot to your installed system and install the proper GRUB version, and run update-grub. |
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| 09:48.51 | mooperd | Im hammering the hell out of it with 16k block direct IO |
| 09:48.57 | phet | beardy: I have done that, and it does not detect windows |
| 09:49.03 | phet | beardy: even with os-prober |
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| 09:49.16 | nvz | its copied 40GB of about 140 so far and only had io errors on 5 files so far |
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| 09:49.32 | beardy | phet: Then it's the wrong GRUB version, or it really doesn't support UEFI/EFI properly. |
| 09:49.40 | nvz | I'm goin to sleep.. heh... will take it as itis when I wake up |
| 09:49.46 | beardy | phet: What brand of box? |
| 09:49.56 | phet | box? |
| 09:50.06 | beardy | phet: Did you install Wheezy or Squeeze? |
| 09:50.07 | beardy | Yes? |
| 09:50.11 | beardy | Computer. |
| 09:50.27 | Lasse- | beardy: wheezy |
| 09:50.38 | mooperd | I am seeing some Retransmission Timeouts but I dont know what is a lot |
| 09:50.43 | beardy | phet: Which UEFI/EFI crap in particular? |
| 09:50.51 | Miklos | the graphic corruption in console is doing my head in |
| 09:51.04 | Miklos | only happens in 3.2 kernels from bpo |
| 09:51.17 | Miklos | Could it be KMS related? |
| 09:51.33 | nvz | nomodeset is the option to disable kmsIIRC |
| 09:51.34 | phet | beardy: I dont know. How can I know? can I disable UEFI and use bios? |
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| 09:51.48 | phet | I dont want this UEFI shit, I have happy with bios. Everything was easier |
| 09:51.49 | Lasse- | phet: If you disable UEFI, your Windows 7 needs a reinstall sadly. |
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| 09:51.55 | beardy | phet: You must know what motherboard you have, or who manufactured your computer? |
| 09:52.01 | phet | Lasse-: that's fine. I can reinstall it |
| 09:52.12 | phet | gygabyte |
| 09:52.16 | Lasse- | Then go for it and while you're at it, manually install syslinux, so much easier. |
| 09:52.32 | phet | how can I use bios instead of uefi |
| 09:52.48 | Lasse- | Detects boot-partition simply by having boot-flag enabled for the partition and such, nice |
| 09:52.52 | beardy | phet: I agree. It's a mess. Such times.. browser/web wars and now this. |
| 09:52.59 | beardy | Again. |
| 09:53.12 | Lasse- | phet: Get your exact motherboard model |
| 09:53.22 | Lasse- | Then you can get the manual of it from Gigabyte's site |
| 09:53.29 | phet | beardy: I have installed several times a system with dual boot, and it was straight forward. Now so far I've lost 3 days with this |
| 09:53.30 | Lasse- | and look for the place to switch UEFI off |
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| 09:53.38 | nvz | may you live in interesting times, may you come to attention of those in authority, may you find what you're looking for.. :-P |
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| 09:54.09 | Lasse- | I generally find GRUB2 a horrible mess, maybe it's just me and my lack of knowledge |
| 09:54.18 | beardy | phet: Did you upgrade when you chrooted? My grub on this particular machine, a macbook, with it's UEFI/EFI variant, found other EFI partitions in this version, IIRC it didn't before so.. see if there's an updated GRUB package you haven't installed yet. |
| 09:54.38 | phet | Intel H61 Chipset is this possible? |
| 09:54.39 | nvz | Lasse-: its pretty nasty.. but I liked things simple like they were in lilo |
| 09:55.14 | Lasse- | phet: What you mean with "possible" |
| 09:55.27 | Lasse- | It's the chipset your motherboard has. |
| 09:55.29 | nvz | Lasse-: i figured out adding menu entries to grub2 but getting rid of or changng them is a whole different story.. in general Im not a huge fan of the automagic stuff or conf.d style configs |
| 09:55.45 | Lasse- | nvz: syslinux is the best bootloader i have ever used. |
| 09:55.51 | Lasse- | :) |
| 09:56.13 | nvz | conf.d/ is apparently some sick bastards way of saying hah.. hunt through entire trees of recursive configuration to find what youre lookig for! |
| 09:56.22 | Lasse- | I don't get why they have made configuring GRUB2 so layered |
| 09:56.30 | specing | < Lasse-> I generally find GRUB2 a horrible mess, maybe it's just me and my lack of knowledge |
| 09:56.31 | Lasse- | just have a simple config-file that has simple & easy to read entries |
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| 09:56.33 | specing | indeed |
| 09:56.39 | Lasse- | and that's it. |
| 09:56.51 | Lasse- | not stupid multilevel bullshit and commands to run to get the config to actually install |
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| 09:57.36 | phet | gigabyte ga-h61m-s2pv |
| 09:57.55 | phet | this is it |
| 09:58.00 | Lasse- | ok, phet, wait |
| 09:58.05 | nvz | Lasse-: if it got any better than the good ol' days we wouldn't still be referring to them as the good ol' days |
| 09:58.10 | nvz | heh |
| 09:58.18 | Lasse- | phet: http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-h61m-s2pv_e.pdf |
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| 09:58.27 | Lasse- | or http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-h61m-s2pv_e.pdf |
| 09:58.30 | Lasse- | if you're American |
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| 09:58.50 | phet | Lasse-: what I am supposed to do with it? |
| 09:58.58 | beardy | Read it. |
| 09:59.00 | Lasse- | and what's up with motherboard manufacturers having horribly slow fileservers always |
| 09:59.08 | Lasse- | yeah, look for the way to disable UEFI |
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| 09:59.13 | Lasse- | in settings, unless you already know it |
| 09:59.19 | phet | Lasse-: is there one? |
| 09:59.32 | Lasse- | should be. |
| 09:59.42 | phet | in the bios? |
| 09:59.45 | beardy | Not necessarily and likely no. |
| 09:59.50 | Lasse- | In my Asrock, that I burned with overclocking there was one |
| 09:59.54 | Lasse- | and now on my Asus there's one too |
| 10:00.09 | Lasse- | but Asrock had P67 chipset and Asus has Z77 |
| 10:00.12 | Lasse- | more advanced than H61 |
| 10:00.29 | phet | the manual only talks about bios |
| 10:00.32 | Lasse- | so there might not be one |
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| 10:01.23 | phet | actually it says nothing about EFI |
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| 10:01.35 | Lasse- | Then there might not be a selection :( |
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| 10:02.24 | phet | if it says nothing about efi, why I am using efi |
| 10:02.35 | Lasse- | Because it's forced on. |
| 10:02.45 | Lasse- | I guess. |
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| 10:04.35 | phet | EFI CD/DVD BOOT OPTION |
| 10:04.38 | phet | may this be it? |
| 10:04.43 | Lasse- | I doubt it. |
| 10:05.11 | Lasse- | Happily, in sense of future, there's http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gummiboot |
| 10:05.15 | Lasse- | Upcoming simple UEFI bootmanager |
| 10:05.28 | Lasse- | That just does it's job and that's it. |
| 10:05.31 | Lasse- | without stupid crap |
| 10:05.50 | phet | Set this item to EFI if you want to install the operating system to a hard drive larger than 2.2 TB. Make sure the operating system to be installed supports booting from a GPT partition, such as Windows 7 64- bit and Windows Server 2003 64-bit. Auto lets the BIOS automatically configure this setting depending on the hard drive you install. (Default: Auto) |
| 10:06.03 | phet | Lasse-: I think that may be it |
| 10:06.11 | Lasse- | Try out and see. |
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| 10:06.23 | phet | Lasse-: but what do you think? |
| 10:06.39 | Lasse- | It sure sounds like it could be it. |
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| 10:08.02 | _martin | hi how do i get the information where openssl installed the headers? |
| 10:08.09 | _martin | i compiled openssl by my self |
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| 10:08.26 | _martin | openssl itself is located in usr/bin/ |
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| 10:10.05 | Lasse- | _martin: /usr/include/openssl/ |
| 10:10.33 | _martin | this dir doesnt exists in include |
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| 10:11.50 | Lasse- | Did you install the right package |
| 10:11.54 | Lasse- | libssl-dev |
| 10:12.02 | _martin | i compiled openssl from source |
| 10:12.04 | frikinz | the clean way is that the install created a .pc file in /usr/share/pkgconfig or its equivalent in /usr/local.. |
| 10:12.09 | Lasse- | ah sorry |
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| 10:12.33 | _martin | i re install it maybe the path will be displayed |
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| 10:16.05 | phet | Lasse-: my bios is different to the one displayed in that manua |
| 10:16.06 | phet | l |
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| 10:16.20 | Lasse- | Oh? |
| 10:16.39 | phet | GIGABYTE UEFI DualBios |
| 10:16.53 | Lasse- | http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-h61m-s2pv_v2.0_e.pdf |
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| 10:16.57 | Lasse- | Take a look on this then |
| 10:17.08 | Lasse- | It's for the rev2.0 version of the motherboard |
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| 10:17.19 | Lasse- | maybe that's what you got, earlier one was for rev1 |
| 10:17.30 | irinix | is there any fairly effecient way to read the character at x/y on a given shell, im running an ncurses game in a screen and need to know the color and character at position x/y repeatedly, quickly and in real time |
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| 10:17.58 | Lasse- | phet: Yeah that's it |
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| 10:20.19 | phet | Lasse-: I am reading it, but can you help me, please? How should I google it? |
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| 10:21.30 | babilen | _martin: fwiw, make absolutely sure that you install to /usr/local -- might I ask *why* you compile openssl yourself? |
| 10:21.31 | Lasse- | Let me take a look |
| 10:21.51 | babilen | _martin: (it is almost certainly a very bad thing to do) |
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| 10:22.16 | _martin | dont aks me plz... i'm compiling it on a netgear readynas duo with sparc |
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| 10:22.39 | elmo_ | Hi. I'm running Debian Stable (mostly, with a few mix-ins from backports and testing). I want to have a more recent Wine than 1.0. What are my options? The backports version seems to need to upgrade dpkg or something to support multiarch. |
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| 10:22.43 | babilen | _martin: OpenSSL is packaged for Debian, so why don't you just install the package? |
| 10:22.43 | _martin | netgear shipped the nas with a broken debian sarge |
| 10:22.52 | _martin | because apt-get is broken |
| 10:23.10 | _martin | netgear shipped this debian with packages from sarge, lenny and other version |
| 10:23.19 | _martin | its mixed thats why apt-get isnt working |
| 10:23.30 | Lasse- | Way to go for Netgear if that's true :D |
| 10:23.34 | Lasse- | morons |
| 10:23.38 | _martin | :D |
| 10:24.00 | Lasse- | One doesn't simply combine different Debian versions |
| 10:24.11 | babilen | _martin: Sounds like a broken based-on-debian-and-broken distribution. I would *strongly* suggest to reinstall a clean Debian (if possible) or sort out the problems ... Did you contact netgear about that? |
| 10:24.17 | _martin | I tried to reinstall debian on the nas but there is no option to get the display output |
| 10:24.48 | _martin | babilen no, because netgear dont care. they know this issue |
| 10:24.49 | babilen | _martin: You can ssh into the installer. You can preseed it until then and probably perform a netboot ... |
| 10:25.10 | _martin | hmm |
| 10:25.36 | _martin | i have to do this when i got more freetime :D |
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| 10:26.01 | babilen | _martin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#network-console |
| 10:26.06 | babilen | !tell _martin -about preseed |
| 10:26.40 | babilen | _martin: You probably want a different architecture though (no idea) |
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| 10:27.44 | _martin | and how do i get the debian on the nas? |
| 10:27.55 | _martin | i mean i got only a usb slot |
| 10:29.01 | babilen | _martin: Can you boot from that? |
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| 10:30.12 | babilen | _martin: My netgear router can be flashed with custom firmware - I have no experience whatsoever with readynas hardware, but am under the impression that they do *not* use a realâ„¢ Debian, but some horrible in-house Frankendebian. |
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| 10:32.03 | babilen | _martin: But talk to Netgear - This looks like expensive kit and you really don't want to lose warranty on it. It appears as if they have forums in which this topic is discussed and you might find better help there. |
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| 10:33.06 | _martin | ok thanks babilen |
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| 10:35.48 | _martin | got it # ./configure --build=sparc-linux --with-ssl-headers=/usr/local/ssl/include/ --with-ssl-lib=/usr/local/ssl/lib/ |
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| 10:46.02 | frikinz | _martin: did it install a .pc file in the pkgconfig directory? |
| 10:46.24 | _martin | i dont think so |
| 10:46.32 | _martin | why? is this important |
| 10:47.11 | frikinz | well, it is the answer to your question. if another tool wants to know which flags to use, it queries a .pc file |
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| 10:47.35 | _martin | aha |
| 10:47.46 | frikinz | debian package does and I see include go in normal include dir and then source depending on it would include openssl/blah.h |
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| 10:48.35 | frikinz | pkg-config --cflags --libs openss --> -lssl -lcrypto |
| 10:49.08 | _martin | this debian is really weired... because the new compiled software will be installed in user/local/ and not in /usr/ ... so some libs are in usr/lib/ and the nwer one in /usr/local/lib ... bzw. /usr/local/software/lib / include |
| 10:49.36 | _martin | i should set the configure flag for this problem... |
| 10:49.36 | frikinz | it is in /local unless an AC flags in config.in(?) overrides PREFIX |
| 10:49.55 | frikinz | if your prefix is not taken, its a bug |
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| 10:52.09 | frikinz | having a .pc are part of the details for which I love debian.. |
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| 10:53.02 | war4head | I wont connect on my remote PC and start iceweasel on local PC (ssh -X user@remotepc), ok that is ok, but when I wont to print some web pages I can't to see my local printers (see only printers on remotepc), any idea how to se local printers on x11 app? |
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| 11:01.23 | Stummi | nvz, ChrisH jfyi, i got it now. I had to write the vendor and product id from my device to /sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers/ftdi_sio/new_id. Now it works. thanks for your help |
| 11:01.52 | ChrisH | Stummi: Nice to hear you got it to work |
| 11:01.53 | Stummi | finally it was such simple. But you have to know that once |
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| 11:03.14 | ChrisH | war4head: quick Idea if Cups is involved, tunnel the cups port to and have the remote cupsserver poll your local one... but maybe printing to a file and doing a manual filetransfer and do a local lp is more easy. |
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| 11:06.54 | war4head | ChrisH, ok problem is simple "Have x11 application and need to print result on my laptop - on laptop have cups and my printer connect), idea of copy print file from remote pc to local pc sound laike fix, but not for reslov problem |
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| 11:08.44 | war4head | ChrisH, I think ..need to to map my cups port on local pc 631 on remote pc, and then print from remote. |
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| 11:15.48 | frikinz | ssh me@remote.org -L 631:local.org:631 -g |
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| 11:17.23 | frikinz | not -L but -R |
| 11:18.12 | ChrisH | war4head: add BrowsePoll remote-system:631 or do the ssh-tunnel |
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| 11:26.45 | nachos | Hi, I managed to wipe out /boot, how do i repopulate it with the kernel images? |
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| 11:27.49 | Stummi | nachos, from your backup |
| 11:27.55 | nachos | I have none. |
| 11:28.08 | apm1 | squezze can't detect my 3g dongle , what do i do ? |
| 11:28.10 | Stummi | than its not an important machine |
| 11:28.22 | nachos | ugh, wipe it and reinstall is not a decent answer |
| 11:28.38 | Stummi | nachos, you could try a reinstall of your kernel and grub |
| 11:28.45 | Stummi | s/grub/bootloader/ |
| 11:28.45 | apm1 | the box of the dongle says debian 5.0 and higher is supported |
| 11:28.52 | Stummi | i am not sure if this is "clean", though |
| 11:29.00 | nachos | nah, ill just go gentoo |
| 11:29.04 | nachos | maybe |
| 11:29.07 | nachos | i need time to install it |
| 11:29.09 | babilen | nachos: Try reinstalling grub-common and kernel images. Not sure if that'll take care of everything. And create backups! |
| 11:29.14 | apm1 | lsusb also shows the 3g modem |
| 11:29.23 | nachos | im trying to convert a MBR disk to GPT and boot that |
| 11:29.29 | nachos | looks like debian hasnt even thought about GPT |
| 11:29.32 | nachos | i mean UEFI |
| 11:29.49 | apm1 | but it never appears in network manager :( |
| 11:29.54 | babilen | apm1: How do you check if "squeeze" detects you 3g dongle? |
| 11:30.06 | apm1 | babilen, lsusb |
| 11:30.42 | babilen | apm1: The problem is that it is *not* working in network-manager though not that it is not listed in lsusb, isn't it? |
| 11:30.48 | nachos | I'm shocked debian doesnt have a UEFI installer |
| 11:30.54 | apm1 | babilen, yes |
| 11:31.00 | nachos | is it even in wheezy |
| 11:31.08 | babilen | nachos: beta3 for wheezy probably has it (haven't checked, but it is in work) |
| 11:31.17 | babilen | apm1: Ah, it might be that you need a newer version of NM - You can get it from squeeze-backports (/msg dpkg backport ; /msg dpkg bdo) |
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| 11:32.18 | babilen | nachos: Yeah, beta3 has it -- "* Add EFI support for 64-bit PCs (amd64), allowing installation in EFI mode instead of using the legacy BIOS. This does *not* include any support for UEFI Secure Boot -- that will come later." |
| 11:32.30 | nachos | thanks |
| 11:32.32 | nachos | where do i get this? |
| 11:32.54 | apm1 | steves blog |
| 11:33.00 | babilen | nachos: http://lists.debian.org/<20121018161719.GA31942@mraw.org> (or what is "this" ?) |
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| 11:33.07 | nachos | thanks |
| 11:33.20 | nachos | ill be back to get the url again |
| 11:33.21 | nachos | thanks guys |
| 11:33.26 | babilen | np |
| 11:33.39 | nachos | is it easy to upgrade wheezy -> debian 7.0 |
| 11:33.51 | nachos | ill probably have to wait 5 years for that lmao |
| 11:34.04 | babilen | nachos: I don't quite follow ... Wheezy will be Debian 7.0 |
| 11:34.15 | nachos | yeah, but im saying, can you upgrade easily |
| 11:34.36 | babilen | nachos: You don't have to upgrade to wheezy if you are running wheezy already |
| 11:34.38 | nachos | all good, ill be back |
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| 11:37.47 | war4head | ChrisH, my local laptop don't have fix ip addess (I see in doc need fix ip: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.4/sharing.html ) |
| 11:38.44 | ksk | hi. is there any additional port (as in TCP:) needed for ssh pubkey-authentication? i just setup some iptables rules and it (key auth) stopped working |
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| 11:43.21 | tryy3 | is there any command similiar to du -ch but that doesn't haft to print out everything? and only print out the total? |
| 11:44.01 | ksk | du -sch - maybe? |
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| 11:44.32 | ksk | *-sh |
| 11:44.32 | babilen | tryy3: "man du" + /-s |
| 11:45.26 | tryy3 | well s wont paste the lines, but it still takes time before i get the total, is that something that work to fix? |
| 11:45.56 | babilen | tryy3: Sure it takes time -- It has to actually traverse the directory structure and add the size. |
| 11:46.00 | tryy3 | its for a script, and i got multiple lines of du commands, so it takes quite a while |
| 11:46.15 | tryy3 | aw ok |
| 11:48.13 | babilen | tryy3: You might also want to look at the various tools that come up when you run "apt-cache search disk usage" |
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| 11:49.23 | tryy3 | babilen thanks, gonna find one that suits me :D |
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| 11:51.00 | tryy3 | o.O i gonna start using apt-cache more often :D |
| 11:52.19 | oskie | anyone seen this before? (icinga-web apt-get upgrade) debconf: Unable to load Debconf::Element::Dialog. Failed because: Can't locate Debconf/Element/Dialog.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 32) line 2, <GEN6> line 19. |
| 11:53.13 | themill | tryy3: if you're running du on the same file set multiple times then caching will probably make subsequent runs faster |
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| 11:53.29 | themill | oskie: can you stick the full output in a pastebin for us? |
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| 11:54.11 | tryy3 | themill ye tryed that, but i dont know how to catch 1 directory and not catch the sub directories |
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| 11:56.17 | lancelot_of | in kernel 3.6.2 using powertop i see that some usb and radio devices are sucking a lot of power,this doesn't happen on 3.2 kernel. In particulare the integrated camera,which instead does not work (no dev found).Moreover a lot of BAD issues (in the second image) in tunables. How to correctly fix?How to set all those autosuspend and PM runtime for PCIs definetely properly?http://imgur.com/2HezR,T5Vfi#0 |
| 11:56.20 | oskie | themill: http://paste.debian.net/201795/ - that's the output from dpkg --configure icinga-web |
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| 11:59.25 | oskie | themill: i solved it by adding some hack to Debconf/Element/Dialog.pm ... I think there's a problem in either icinga-web or dbconfig |
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| 12:00.43 | themill | that file doesn't exist in any debian distribution though. What version of the debconf package do you have installed? |
| 12:01.43 | tryy3 | not sure if this is right place to ask, but direct me if it is wrong place, i installed phpsysinfo and all its depends, but i dont get any file in my /var/www that is phpsysinfo related, what should i do? |
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| 12:03.12 | safridzal | I try to install systemd but the synaptic alwas complain about sysvinit.. my dmseg is ~75 sec.. and I think if i install systemd, it will boot faster.. |
| 12:03.22 | themill | tryy3: debian packages don't install stuff into /var/www. You might like to look at documentation provided in the package and config files provided by the package ("dpkg -L phpsysinfo" will show you files in /etc/ and /usr/share/doc) |
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| 12:04.14 | themill | tryy3: I would guess you'll also need to configure your web server to serve those pages with an alias. |
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| 12:08.49 | apm1 | babilen, won't wvdial work if network manager doesn't ? |
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| 12:09.32 | tryy3 | themill in an installation guide for phpsysinfo it said it would be in the default apache folder so i thought they ment /var/www cuz thats the only folder i can access from default :P |
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| 12:14.29 | tryy3 | update-rc.d: warning: apcupsd start runlevel arguments (1 2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) |
| 12:14.29 | tryy3 | update-rc.d: warning: apcupsd stop runlevel arguments (0 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 6) |
| 12:14.33 | tryy3 | is those warnings bad? |
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| 12:26.33 | phet | I have windows installed on EFI. I do confirm |
| 12:28.12 | moxie | my windows is on UEUEUEUEFFFFFIIII |
| 12:28.18 | moxie | im from the futre |
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| 12:39.53 | Desproges | Hi, I want to make a file undeletable by root, but editable is ok. I tried "chattr +u foo" but I still can "sudo rm foo". Any idea ? |
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| 12:41.31 | jelly-home | Desproges: I'm not sure you can do that |
| 12:42.43 | ChrisH | Desproges: did you test +i ? |
| 12:42.50 | Desproges | this is a file containing a timestamp (one line) written by a script. Maybe the alternative is to let the script use chattr -i / +i , but I'm not sure if it's a good idea |
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| 12:43.30 | Desproges | +i make the file immutable, so that works, but I need "echo "bar" > foo" too |
| 12:43.56 | no_gravity | Hello! Can I copy a running debian partition with "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sda2" even if /dev/sda1 is mounted as /? |
| 12:43.58 | ChrisH | Desproges: You might tell more about the goal, maybe someone has a beteer idea |
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| 12:44.26 | jelly-home | Desproges: why do you want to stop root from deleting it? |
| 12:44.28 | ChrisH | no_gravity: you can, but do not expect its bootable and consitent afterwards |
| 12:44.37 | pato83 | no_gravity: If you are worried, you can remount / as readonly and make a copy |
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| 12:44.57 | no_gravity | ChrisH: why? wouldnt it in the same state if i just unplugged the computer from power? |
| 12:45.09 | no_gravity | pato83: im not so worried, so ill start dd now... |
| 12:45.33 | pato83 | no_gravity: i am talking about consistency of data in its copy. |
| 12:45.46 | ChrisH | no_gravity: If LVM is in place you can create a snaphot and copy it using tar. Its inconsistent as the content will change during you are reading the source. |
| 12:45.49 | no_gravity | pato83: you mean user data? |
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| 12:45.56 | no_gravity | ChrisH: no lvm |
| 12:46.02 | ChrisH | no_gravity: Filesystem consistency |
| 12:46.24 | ChrisH | no_gravity: at least one fsck is needed before you are able to mount it |
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| 12:47.04 | no_gravity | 321MB/s I like SSD drives... |
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| 12:47.19 | jelly-home | no_gravity: do not expect a valid copy, though |
| 12:47.20 | no_gravity | ChrisH: i will try to boot it... that will be fun :) |
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| 12:47.27 | no_gravity | jelly-home: i will report if it works... |
| 12:47.33 | Desproges | jelly-home: in case of someone with sudo rights do something like "sudo rm * " by mistake . I don't know well all scripts launched on that server, My boss just tell me to "never erase it" (there is a file in that directory named "important do not erase the file lastrestat.txt, thanks") |
| 12:47.36 | ChrisH | no_gravity: fsck first |
| 12:47.38 | jelly-home | no_gravity: if it works you merely got lucky |
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| 12:47.50 | no_gravity | ChrisH: i copied it. should i fsck now? |
| 12:48.00 | no_gravity | the destination is a luks encrypted partition by the way. |
| 12:48.01 | jelly-home | Desproges: if an admin makes a mistake, use your backups |
| 12:48.07 | Desproges | Almost all script are runned as root by the way, I know I've to change that |
| 12:48.21 | no_gravity | what command shall i use to fsck? fsck /dev/mapper/partition? |
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| 12:48.37 | ChrisH | no_gravity: I would fsck /dev/sda2 your of= target |
| 12:48.56 | no_gravity | ChrisH: my of= target was actually /dev/mapper/partition |
| 12:49.07 | no_gravity | ChrisH: which is an encrypted partition |
| 12:49.14 | jelly-home | Desproges: set up and verify bakcups work. If important data gets deleted, restore it. That's what backups are for. |
| 12:49.17 | pato83 | Desproges: So just keep copy always and/or change atributes on demand. well, it is just my opinion. |
| 12:49.41 | jelly-home | Desproges: chattr +i is not meant to manage policy |
| 12:49.47 | no_gravity | ok, fscked and fixed a bunch of stuff.. now rebooting :) |
| 12:49.49 | Desproges | jelly-home: this file is used to check the last time a script has been run, to do some data mining. If it's erased and the script is runned, the script recalculate everything for 3 years , or something |
| 12:50.54 | no_gravity | how can i create a new boot partition from a running debian? |
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| 12:51.29 | somiaj | no_gravity: do you have the free/space partition set up or do you need to resize some existing partitions? |
| 12:51.37 | jelly-home | Desproges: make a wrapper around the script -- if the file is absent, do NOT run it at all and alert the admins. |
| 12:51.43 | pato83 | Desproges: So, as I said befor, just keep copy of, keep it updated and you can make your script reading your copy, if the original one is not found. |
| 12:51.45 | no_gravity | somiaj: i have a 1 gig partition already for it |
| 12:52.10 | somiaj | no_gravity: really you just need to put an os on that partition (debootstrap howtos may help you if you want it for debian) and then configure grub to boot from it |
| 12:52.23 | Desproges | good idea jelly-home thanks, and pato83 that's a good idea too :) |
| 12:52.29 | no_gravity | somiaj: i have an os but on another (encrypted) partition. |
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| 12:52.44 | no_gravity | somiaj: so now i need a way to boot it |
| 12:52.54 | somiaj | no_gravity: so you can use somethign like os-prober and if that doesn't work you may have to write a small script to put a manual entry into your grub menu. |
| 12:52.59 | pato83 | Desproges: it is the same idea as i can see. jelly-home is quicker. |
| 12:53.21 | Desproges | not exactly, but yeah |
| 12:53.21 | no_gravity | somiaj: os prober will create a boot partition for me? |
| 12:53.25 | somiaj | no_gravity: just look into how to configure grub on debian |
| 12:53.26 | Desproges | thanks all anyway :) |
| 12:53.37 | no_gravity | somiaj: isnt os prober only configuring grub? |
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| 12:53.48 | jelly-home | Desproges: yes we did, I just called it "make backups" |
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| 12:53.55 | somiaj | no_gravity: what do you mean by 'boot partition'? Grub is your boot loader, so you have to configure it to boot from this other partition |
| 12:54.08 | somiaj | no_gravity: yes, os-prober helps autmoatically generte entries for grub |
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| 12:54.46 | no_gravity | somiaj: well, i need an unencrypted boot partition, right? by now i only have an encrypted partition with the os. |
| 12:55.02 | somiaj | no_gravity: so create an small unencrypted boot partition. |
| 12:55.22 | somiaj | no_gravity: a boot partition is nothing special. It is just a partition with a file system on it. What makes it bootable is making grub boot from it |
| 12:55.49 | Desproges | oh, in fact the +u may works, man chattr : "When a file with the `u' attribute set is deleted, its contents are saved. This allows the user to ask for its undeletion." |
| 12:56.03 | no_gravity | somiaj: but doesnt it need some files? it needs to be able to init luks and stuff..,. |
| 12:56.03 | Desproges | but your solutions seems better |
| 12:56.16 | somiaj | no_gravity: of course it needs to contain the contents of /boot |
| 12:56.51 | no_gravity | somiaj: aha. so i copy /boot over to the boot partition... ok... |
| 12:57.08 | ksk | hi. is there any additional port (as in TCP:) needed for ssh pubkey-authentication? i just setup some iptables rules and it (key auth) stopped working |
| 12:57.28 | somiaj | that is what a /boot partition is. It is the files in /boot -- now you may need to configure the initrd image in that partition to know about your encrypted partition. I'm sure any good howto on encrypted partitions will explain this to you |
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| 12:58.25 | RxDx | I installed Debian on a soekris router... when i run hostapd, it drops my wlan1 connection (that one that should be the AP).. why? |
| 12:58.31 | no_gravity | somiaj: ok, i did "mount /dev/<boot> /mnt/tmp/; cp -r /boot/* /mnt/tmp/". |
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| 13:00.18 | no_gravity | no i dont know what to do :) |
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| 13:02.42 | no_gravity | ok.. lets start over... |
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| 13:03.29 | ChrisH | no_gravity: To me it looks more like you do not know what you did... and you did not explain what you want to achive. You did not mention encryption on your initial question |
| 13:04.25 | no_gravity | ChrisH: well, i tried to clone an unencrypted debian into an encrypted partition. |
| 13:04.55 | no_gravity | gave up on it now. |
| 13:06.00 | ElDiabolo | no_gravity, Just entered. What made you give up? |
| 13:06.03 | ChrisH | no_gravity: I would have started an installer onto the free partition and copy over the data and config changes later from the unencrypted. creating an initrd with crypt and co is not easy |
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| 13:07.24 | Guest62876 | ciaoo |
| 13:07.27 | ElDiabolo | no_gravity, I usually use encrypted /home and swap only. |
| 13:07.41 | ElDiabolo | no_gravity, This is however for desktop boxes. |
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| 13:08.50 | no_gravity | ElDiabolo: i have copied (dd) the partition into the encrypted partition. i copied the contents of /boot into a boot partition. now i dont know what to do. i somehow have to make the boot partition use the encrypted partition i guess. but i dont know how. |
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| 13:10.30 | ChrisH | no_gravity: I am not sure if dd'ing is the correct approach here. I would suggest to rsync or tar it, meaning copy on filesystem level not below. |
| 13:10.58 | no_gravity | ChrisH: could be an option. still i would have to set up the boot partition. and i dont know how to do that. |
| 13:11.22 | ChrisH | no_gravity: /boot: therefore I suggest to install onto the new partition and have installer setup /boot new |
| 13:12.00 | no_gravity | ChrisH: yeah thats what im trying now |
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| 13:13.29 | no_gravity | unfortunately installing so far never resulted in a working debian on this system. |
| 13:13.45 | no_gravity | maybe i should try the new beta 3 installer with firmware? is there something like that? |
| 13:14.10 | ChrisH | no_gravity: Where is the connection between firmware and encryption? |
| 13:14.33 | no_gravity | ChrisH: nowhere. i just always use encryption. |
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| 13:14.56 | no_gravity | ChrisH: im trying to install debian on my new machine. working on it the second day now. no success so far. |
| 13:15.07 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 13:15.32 | no_gravity | abrotman: hangs while booting |
| 13:15.38 | ChrisH | no_gravity: It might be a good idea to tell us the complete story not only a few sentences from a few chapters |
| 13:15.46 | abrotman | hangs for how long? |
| 13:15.57 | no_gravity | ChrisH: i can do when i try the next installation. |
| 13:16.02 | abrotman | you waited a inute? 30 minutes? |
| 13:16.14 | no_gravity | abrotman: forever. i think it turns of the computer after 10 minutes or so. |
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| 13:18.23 | jelly-home | no_gravity: where exactly does it hang, is there any output? |
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| 13:19.11 | safridzal | I make a custom rules on /etc/udev/rules.d/ and after install systemd, it not working anymore.. any suggestion?? |
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| 13:20.09 | jelly-home | doesn't systemd take over udev functionality as well? |
| 13:20.23 | jelly-home | one ring to bind them all |
| 13:20.27 | safridzal | dont know.. lol |
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| 13:20.39 | safridzal | so, what to do now? |
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| 13:20.49 | jelly-home | read the docs |
| 13:20.54 | no_gravity | jelly-home: i have to install it again to tell. right now im fiddling with it manually. |
| 13:20.56 | safridzal | aghhh |
| 13:21.01 | safridzal | okay.. |
| 13:21.04 | safridzal | brb |
| 13:21.09 | jelly-home | safridzal: then come back and tell us if this is normal |
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| 13:22.57 | no_gravity | Can the boot partition be an EXT4 file system? |
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| 13:23.48 | Sm0ke0ut | yes |
| 13:23.51 | no_gravity | ok |
| 13:24.18 | geekbri | As long as your boot loader supports it. I believe grub2 does. |
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| 13:24.59 | Sm0ke0ut | squeeze works fine with boot partition on ext4; from wheezy it's even set by default |
| 13:25.00 | tryy3 | update-rc.d: warning: apcupsd start runlevel arguments (1 2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) |
| 13:25.03 | tryy3 | update-rc.d: warning: apcupsd stop runlevel arguments (0 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 6) |
| 13:25.04 | tryy3 | is those warnings bad? |
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| 13:26.23 | grothendieck | I don't think so |
| 13:26.50 | tryy3 | ah ok |
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| 13:27.19 | geekbri | If I remember correctly that just means whatever start and stop values you have set for that particular service don't match the ones listed in the init script. |
| 13:27.20 | safridzal | jelly-home: need a clue here.. i cant understand a word.. i'm reading http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/ |
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| 13:28.00 | grothendieck | ok which word |
| 13:28.54 | safridzal | systemd-udevd listens to kernel uevents. For every event, systemd-udevd executes matching instructions specified in udev rules. from http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-udevd.service.html |
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| 13:29.29 | fairway | hi all |
| 13:29.48 | jelly-home | safridzal: I don't know much about systemd, apart from it being the kitchen sink |
| 13:29.51 | fairway | installing a web servery is easy. what is the easiest way to install an imap mail server on wheezy? |
| 13:30.08 | ChrisH | fairway: use apt-get or aptitude |
| 13:30.15 | grothendieck | exim + dovecot |
| 13:30.18 | grothendieck | bbl |
| 13:30.28 | fairway | I dont want to conf tons of conf files |
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| 13:39.14 | dkr | there is an option when you install it to use the tons of conf files versus consolidated |
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| 13:48.16 | fairway | how to add a new user to dovecot? |
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| 13:50.12 | babilen | fairway: http://wiki.dovecot.org/VirtualUsers and #dovecot |
| 13:50.44 | babilen | fairway: Make that http://wiki2.dovecot.org/VirtualUsers |
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| 13:53.33 | ratcheer | What is the Debian way to modprobe a module automatically at startup? |
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| 13:54.19 | no_gravity | Ok, im ready to give debian another try... is there a installer beta3 with firmware? |
| 13:54.46 | apm1 | no_gravity, not yet we are all waiting ;) |
| 13:54.48 | nkuttler | ratcheer: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 13:55.03 | no_gravity | apm1: but beta3 is out, right? |
| 13:55.05 | nkuttler | ratcheer: see man 5 modprobe.d |
| 13:55.11 | apm1 | no_gravity, really ? |
| 13:55.17 | ratcheer | nkuttler: Thanks. |
| 13:55.27 | aguitel | when grub menu appears i do not see any os ,just only debian how recover the other os ? |
| 13:55.31 | apm1 | no_gravity, you gotta be shiting me :p |
| 13:55.59 | no_gravity | apm1: at least thats what i heard. |
| 13:56.14 | apm1 | where did you hear that ? |
| 13:56.18 | no_gravity | apm1: here |
| 13:56.38 | apm1 | nah i am absolutely cerain it's still wheezy beta 2 |
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| 13:57.18 | apm1 | no_gravity, can you do a netinstall ? |
| 13:57.22 | alesan | hi, what do I need to instal to be able to mount a NTFS? |
| 13:57.33 | no_gravity | apm1: here it says 3: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:58.14 | no_gravity | But where is the version with firmware? |
| 13:58.26 | apm1 | "efi-reader: Build on amd64 and i386." |
| 13:58.29 | nkuttler | alesan: mounting should just require the ntfs kernel module, so mount -t ntfs |
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| 13:58.48 | apm1 | well that should take care of my macbookpro's EFI |
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| 13:59.20 | alesan | nkuttler, wasn't NTFS handled by fuse and a userspace program? |
| 13:59.49 | boudiccas | apm1, wheezy D-I beta 3 came out a couple of days ago |
| 14:00.44 | apm1 | boudiccas, i am waiting for the weekly generated dvd image to include EFI installer |
| 14:01.14 | boudiccas | dpmhave fun :) i stick with upgrading from squeeze |
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| 14:01.51 | apm1 | boudiccas, do you run squeeze on a mac ? |
| 14:02.03 | boudiccas | apm1, no, wheezy on a pc |
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| 14:03.15 | apm1 | boudiccas, i wanna run wheezy(EFI boot) on my mac , i already have squeeze on my thinkpad :) |
| 14:03.24 | no_gravity | So is there a version of beta3 with firmware? Yesterday someone showed me an iso for beta2. Is there one for beta3? |
| 14:03.46 | apm1 | no_gravity, i too am waiting for that iso |
| 14:03.59 | boudiccas | apm1, you like living dangerously? :( install squeeze and upgrade, its far more sensible |
| 14:04.04 | no_gravity | apm1: how will you notice when its released? |
| 14:04.05 | austriancoder | hi all - is there a howto or tutorial on how to backport a debian package? |
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| 14:05.16 | babilen | no_gravity: No, there is not (yet) |
| 14:05.40 | apm1 | babilen, when will the beta 3 dvd images be ready ? |
| 14:05.46 | boudiccas | My new phone, a Sony Miro, is far more powerful than my computer, which is now 10 years old! |
| 14:05.49 | Cyis-work | Anyone tried installing on a HP Proliant DL385 G8 with the HP SmartArray P420i ? |
| 14:06.21 | apm1 | no_gravity, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/efi-development/upload4/ |
| 14:07.04 | apm1 | ^that works on my macbookpro :) |
| 14:07.04 | no_gravity | apm1: what is efi? |
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| 14:07.14 | babilen | apm1: Now?! http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta3/amd64/iso-dvd/ -- But why would anybody use those? Just use the netinst and download what you need during the installation. |
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| 14:07.51 | babilen | apm1: beta3 comes with efi support -- See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20121018 |
| 14:07.54 | apm1 | babilen, i don't have wifi or ethernet that's why i need network manager |
| 14:08.37 | babilen | apm1: You don't have wifi or ethernet? Are you saying that you don't have internet? |
| 14:09.00 | babilen | apm1: Are you running your connection on pidgins or penguins? |
| 14:09.02 | apm1 | babilen, i have mobile broadband 3G , rings a bell ? :p |
| 14:09.12 | babilen | apm1: rings a bell, yeah :D |
| 14:09.18 | ratcheer | nkuttler: Actually, it seems the only thing I need to do is add my module to file /etc/modules |
| 14:09.30 | babilen | apm1: And you are falling into the "network-manager-gnome is not on CD1 trap" ? |
| 14:09.54 | apm1 | babilen, sadly yes i fell into that 1 year ago :( |
| 14:09.56 | fairway | if I will send a mail to my debian box, is it dovecot or exim who will receive it? |
| 14:10.21 | fairway | I think exim can only send mails |
| 14:10.25 | daemonkeeper | err |
| 14:10.26 | daemonkeeper | no |
| 14:10.27 | daemonkeeper | Whatever you configured. |
| 14:11.12 | daemonkeeper | Dovecot surely not however. Dovecot is not a mailserver. |
| 14:11.18 | babilen | apm1: Yeah, there are (heated) debates about the best way to deal with this problem. One suggestion was to ditch CD sized images altogether and offer 1GB, 2GB, ... ones. |
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| 14:11.45 | fairway | local user transport = dovecot |
| 14:11.45 | apm1 | babilen, well the dvd works for me :p |
| 14:11.46 | fairway | it should work |
| 14:11.49 | Cyis-work | Debian 0 … Ubuntu 1 |
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| 14:12.19 | apm1 | Debian > Ubuntu |
| 14:12.35 | babilen | apm1: Well, as would a BD, but the trick is to find a good compromise of size and usability |
| 14:12.43 | babilen | Cyis-work: Play elsewhere, thank you. |
| 14:12.45 | Cyis-work | apm1: sure… as long as you're not installing on a HP Proliant DL385 G8 |
| 14:12.54 | specing | puny little humans fighting over which distro is the best |
| 14:12.57 | fairway | I dont get it dovecot+exim :) |
| 14:13.03 | apm1 | Cyis-work, i am installing on a mac , sir |
| 14:13.09 | Cyis-work | 6.0.4 and 6.0.6 won't detect the RAID logical volumes |
| 14:13.23 | babilen | Cyis-work: haven't you been here some days ago? |
| 14:13.28 | Cyis-work | just tested Ubuntu 12.04 and it detects the volumes |
| 14:13.36 | Cyis-work | babilen: nope… haven't been in here in awhile |
| 14:13.38 | babilen | !tell Cyis-work -about kmuto |
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| 14:14.15 | apm1 | is a Debian fanboy and no logical argument can make him doubt his distro of choice Debian :p |
| 14:14.22 | babilen | Cyis-work: Must have been someone else. IIRC you need a newer kernel and firmware than the one that comes with squeeze. The kmuto installer provides that (from backports) while still installing stable. Try that please. |
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| 14:15.31 | babilen | Cyis-work: I am not 100% sure, but I seem to remember someone asking about that server and Debian some days ago. Could you give me the pciid of the controller? (lspci -nn) |
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| 14:16.10 | Cyis-work | babilen: According to http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SCSI_HPSA.html it's supports.. it's the P420i |
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| 14:16.46 | Cyis-work | vendor: 103c device: 323b subvendor: 103c subdevice: 3354 |
| 14:16.54 | babilen | Cyis-work: "found in Linux kernels: 2.6.33–2.6.39, 3.0–3.4, 3.6, 3.7-rc+HEAD" -- Why do you think that it is supported by the .32 in squeeze? |
| 14:16.54 | specing | I have no idea why debian still ships 2.6.32 kernel, its like OVER 3 YEARS OLD!! |
| 14:17.08 | babilen | !tell specing -about stable |
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| 14:17.12 | Guest71616 | o |
| 14:17.13 | Cyis-work | No it's not in squeeze … kernel wise it is |
| 14:17.20 | babilen | specing: That is the definition of "stable" |
| 14:17.37 | babilen | Cyis-work: hence my suggestion to use the kmuto installer which comes with a 3.2 kernel from backports. |
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| 14:17.40 | specing | Well not that I care, I run Gentoo everywhere important |
| 14:17.42 | babilen | !tell Cyis-work -about backports |
| 14:17.45 | Cyis-work | babilen: link? |
| 14:17.53 | mns | !kmuto |
| 14:17.53 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 14:18.01 | specing | Also the 3.2 I run is stable, very stable |
| 14:18.14 | babilen | Cyis-work: I've had the bot sent you that factoid via private message earlier |
| 14:19.04 | babilen | specing: Well, you learned something now. It is not that it is some kind of conspiracy or anything. It is *very* easy to use newer kernels on Debian's stable releases if the need arises. |
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| 14:21.57 | somiaj | specing: might want to look into the advantages of a frozen system. The idea is to not force people to upgrade to a newer kernel but provide security support for multiple years for the kernel released with stable. |
| 14:22.13 | somiaj | of course someone choosing to run a newer kenrnel works just fine. |
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| 14:22.49 | Cyis-work | thanks babilen I wasn't aware of the kmuto images… looks like it should be what I'm looking for.. Unfortunately I've facing resistance but the team using these servers to actually upgrade the base OS |
| 14:22.56 | fairway | outcome email works but not incoming |
| 14:23.08 | tryy3 | is there any irc chat for apache2 for debian? or should i maybe ask this quick question here? |
| 14:23.35 | somiaj | tryy3: depends is it a debian issue or an appache issue. There are seperate channels for both. |
| 14:23.38 | specing | tryy3: read the docs |
| 14:23.51 | zach23 | What tools are available to help us investigate why load goes up to 100… |
| 14:23.52 | somiaj | tryy3: but yea try to ask here if you want. You may get better support in apaches channel |
| 14:24.15 | tryy3 | somiaj not really an issue, more how to do :D |
| 14:24.45 | somiaj | tryy3: google can easily find numerous howto's. |
| 14:25.07 | tryy3 | well, problem is i dont even know what iam supposed to google after :P |
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| 14:25.20 | babilen | Cyis-work: Waht kind of resistance are you facing? As far as I can tell: You *need* a newer kernel on that hardware. Getting one from backports is IMHO the best solution to that as *the entire rest of the system* stays the same. (well, modulo kernel headers, and linux-base, ) |
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| 14:25.50 | tryy3 | i probly found the document about what i needed :D |
| 14:26.03 | babilen | tryy3: Start by reading /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz and take it from there. |
| 14:26.32 | tryy3 | babilen didn't help me much more then give me links to what i possibly needed :D |
| 14:26.39 | Cyis-work | babilen: resistance in they don't like anything changing … Just getting them to upgrade these systems from 6.0.0 to 6.0.5 was like being an alligator dentist |
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| 14:28.04 | babilen | Cyis-work: Seriously? Ah well, I can see that you have problems. I am sure that you made them aware of all the security fixes they are missing out (cf. release announcement and http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/) |
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| 14:28.43 | shal3r | apache is running as www-data:www-data and i changed permissions for /var/www/ to root:www-data 740, but apache cannot read it. Why if owner group is www-data and group got +r ? |
| 14:29.05 | somiaj | shal3r: you hae to be able to excute a directory to get into it |
| 14:29.18 | Cyis-work | babilen: LOL security updates have only started being applied since we took over administration… it was a challenge nonetheless as they feared their code would break which was why they don't like updating anything once they've deployed |
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| 14:29.39 | somiaj | shal3r: so if the group www-data cannot execute the directory it won't be able to look inside of it |
| 14:29.40 | Cyis-work | not my preference obviously… my personal servers are kept updated |
| 14:29.44 | fairway | is debian using mbox or Maildir? |
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| 14:30.04 | somiaj | fairway: you have the choice to configure your mail server/clients to use either |
| 14:30.16 | shal3r | somiaj, thanks, it'ws working now |
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| 14:30.22 | babilen | Cyis-work: I understand -- But it *really* doesn't make sense to use your servers as a paperweight because you are not allowed to use (an officially supported!) kernel ;) |
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| 14:30.33 | babilen | Cyis-work: Good luck! |
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| 14:31.23 | Cyis-work | babilen: preaching to the choir… right now "Ops" is hated by "R&D" because we want to upgrade everything |
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| 14:38.10 | confusid | I just installed squeeze amd64 on my lappy and this install and others.. When the system boots up and starts gdm the video has lines and static on the screen before it goes into the gdm screen is this normal or is there a way to get rid of that? |
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| 14:41.10 | somiaj | confusid: but it is fine once gdm fully boots and you login to X? |
| 14:41.24 | somiaj | confusid: do you see the same thing if you disable your display manager and boot directly into a text console? |
| 14:42.17 | confusid | somiaj: if I go to text mode the text changes from one font to another as it does when it is going to go into gdm.. but once gdm is up .. video is ok |
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| 14:42.44 | confusid | just when it first say's starting gdm then the screen changes to the static lines then blanks then gdm is there |
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| 14:43.39 | somiaj | sounds like a framebuffer/switching video modes issue. I wouldn't worry about it if it is fine in console land and fine in X |
| 14:43.52 | confusid | ok ty |
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| 14:44.29 | confusid | wasn't sure if it was something to worry about. |
| 14:44.47 | somiaj | so yea when your system boots it changes the video once to load the console framebuffer, then again to load the xvideo drivers for gdm. My guess is those changes are causing the issue, but I don't seeit as being a problem. Could be just the video card you are using or the video drivers for it |
| 14:45.14 | tryy3 | what does this mean: cp: omitting directory `/usr/share/phpsysinfo' ? |
| 14:45.15 | confusid | it is an intel driver.. on a lappy :/ |
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| 14:45.26 | somiaj | tryy3: cp doesn't copy directories and it omitied it |
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| 14:45.45 | somiaj | tryy3: use the -r option, cp -r (for recursive) if you want to copy directories |
| 14:45.54 | tryy3 | somiaj oh ok |
| 14:46.22 | tryy3 | somiaj thanks |
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| 14:56.36 | FilipeMaia | Hi. How can I define autofs to get auto.master from yellow pages? |
| 14:56.47 | FilipeMaia | I changed nsswitch.conf but it didn't seem to take effect |
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| 14:57.53 | bcv | Hi all. Is there a way to read the contents of console screen remotely via ssh ? say something got printed as output of a program. Is it possible to read corrent contents of the console ? |
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| 14:59.47 | nkuttler | bcv: you can ssh host command > log.txt, or use gnu screen, etc |
| 15:00.17 | kbc | nvidia driver installer complains about my kernel source tree not found |
| 15:00.31 | kbc | i downloaded and extracted the correct tarball to /usr/src, but it still complains |
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| 15:00.47 | kbc | what have i missed |
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| 15:00.57 | nkuttler | kbc: install the kernel-source and/or -headers package |
| 15:00.58 | babilen | kbc: Which version of Debian do you use and which card do you have? |
| 15:01.05 | nkuttler | linux-source that is |
| 15:01.27 | kbc | i have debian 6.0.6 x86 and VGA is 8600 GT |
| 15:01.46 | nkuttler | kbc: btw, how are you trying to install the nvidia driver? |
| 15:01.57 | bcv | Hi all. Is there a way to read the contents of console screen remotely via ssh ? say something got printed as output of a program. Is it possible to read corrent contents of the console ? (lost the connection... connected back ... retrying if someone responded... ) |
| 15:02.16 | nkuttler | bcv: ssh host command > log.txt; ttyrec; gnu screen, etc |
| 15:02.18 | kbc | nkuttler: downloading the binary from nvidia site and running it from CLI |
| 15:02.25 | nkuttler | !tell kbc about nvidia dkms |
| 15:02.29 | babilen | kbc: Please don't do that |
| 15:02.43 | babilen | nkuttler: Did you check that the card is supported by the driver in squeeze? |
| 15:02.50 | bcv | nkuttler: yes that was my mistake. I must have started it under screen which I extensively use But this time I forgot ! |
| 15:02.53 | babilen | was about to do it, but that might not be necessary |
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| 15:02.59 | nkuttler | kbc: see also http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:03.04 | kbc | nkuttler: uh huh, thanks |
| 15:03.07 | bcv | babilen: there is no X in the system. Just plain consoles |
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| 15:03.22 | kbc | i might also tell you that this is a virtual machine running in ESXi |
| 15:03.38 | babilen | takes that as a "No" and will check for nkuttler and kbc |
| 15:03.45 | nkuttler | babilen: it is |
| 15:04.02 | babilen | yup |
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| 15:04.55 | babilen | kbc: Just follow the factoid the bot just sent you and *never* use their installer. In fact: Wheneever you find yourself using anything but apt-get/aptitude to install something come here and ask if there is a better way ;) |
| 15:05.23 | kbc | babilen: yes i am currently going by the bot instructions |
| 15:05.51 | kbc | thank you for your help |
| 15:06.03 | kbc | ... more questions will be coming later :) |
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| 15:15.43 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.22 | nvz | damn apparently that cp ended shortly after I went to sleep and didnt get a lot of data cause it didnt copy dotfiles |
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| 15:20.33 | ChrisH | nvz: What did you do? rsync now? |
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| 15:21.46 | derric | Hi, why would chrt fail and report operation not permitted when attempting to elevate the policy and priority of a process? |
| 15:22.04 | nvz | ChrisH: cp /mnt/home/nvz/* the * is what did it |
| 15:23.03 | nvz | technically the oher 90gb is in /mnt/home/nvz/.000/ which contains many hasty backups of previous homedirs |
| 15:23.10 | ChrisH | nvz: rsync might be the fastest fix... rsnyc -nav /mnt/home/nvz/ /some/where/else -n does a dry run |
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| 15:24.39 | nvz | copied 49GB and only I/O error on 19files 17 of which were pictures.. nothing important |
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| 15:26.27 | nvz | just another roughly 90GB in that ../.000/ where there are several other previous homedirs yet to copy |
| 15:27.09 | nvz | dont really need any other dotfiles other than that one and any inside it |
| 15:27.20 | nvz | already copied .ssh so |
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| 15:29.56 | Jerald | Hi. I have a VPS running debian, which is allocated 1GB of ram. However, free -m says I have over 8TB, and I have tested, and I do indeed only have 1GB. Is there anyway to tell debian it's wrong? |
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| 15:30.21 | nvz | ..and the install was hung at debconf heh..not much got done while I was asleep |
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| 15:32.00 | nvz | Jerald: I'd start by repeatedly slapping yourself in the face until you realize debian is not wrong and even if it were you dont want to be right in that case |
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| 15:32.34 | Jerald | I know it's weird. I don't want it to be wrong. |
| 15:32.45 | Jerald | By I was getting mem errors after using 1GB ram |
| 15:33.40 | nvz | i think you're delusional and someone setup the vps wrong |
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| 15:34.10 | ChrisH | Jerald: can you pastebin what you do see? II cannot believe free -m shows over 8TB RAM! |
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| 15:35.12 | abrotman | it's a VPNS ? |
| 15:35.22 | Jerald | Ok. I contacted my host, and they assured me it was right, but looking at it now, it is using 1190 MB ram, which is over 1024, so |
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| 15:35.28 | Jerald | idk what a vpns is |
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| 15:35.46 | Jerald | http://pastebin.com/esHWeZrF |
| 15:35.54 | Jerald | included -g |
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| 15:36.21 | themill | nice. I want one |
| 15:36.36 | Jerald | lol. it's supposed to have 1gb :S |
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| 15:37.28 | ChrisH | still does not believe it... lshw -short does show how many DIMMs? |
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| 15:37.54 | nvz | ChrisH: 1000 or more supposedly...heh |
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| 15:38.06 | Jerald | lemme install it |
| 15:38.06 | austriancoder | did any one used pbuilder and can help me? |
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| 15:38.41 | valerie_ | hey guys - I am trying to make a bootable USB stick and install wheezy from it - I am trying to download boot.img.gz from -http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/ and it is SLOW - 1kb/sec - is there anything wrong ? |
| 15:38.49 | Jerald | personally i like yum better, but i have to use debain for my software |
| 15:39.23 | nvz | they musta robbed the aliens that made the pyramids and took elvis |
| 15:39.30 | Jerald | http://pastebin.com/tnpSecMy |
| 15:39.35 | Jerald | -short |
| 15:39.40 | Jerald | running full now |
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| 15:40.24 | Jerald | http://pastebin.com/52vR5rr8 |
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| 15:40.49 | nvz | valerie_: are you doing this to test the installer or to have wheezy? |
| 15:41.11 | valerie_ | nvz: I just want to install wheezy |
| 15:41.26 | valerie_ | so I want a usb stick instead of burning a CD |
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| 15:41.54 | nvz | valerie_: no you dont you wanna install squeeze and upgrade..cause wheezy hasnt been released and its installer is a testing installer |
| 15:41.58 | abrotman | not the hd-media, use the netinst iso |
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| 15:42.41 | nvz | and yes hdmedia means you have all the cds on the hdd iirc |
| 15:42.50 | valerie_ | abrotman: but I want to create a bootable usb stick - what are the steps for it _ I know I would need to download .iso file for netinstall - but I need to make the usb bootable |
| 15:43.14 | abrotman | valerie_: the install guide covers this .. zcat foo.iso > /dev/usbstick ; sync |
| 15:43.17 | valerie_ | so I dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb (/dev/sdb/ is my usb stick |
| 15:43.32 | abrotman | you don't have to zero it out |
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| 15:44.33 | valerie_ | abrotman: I already started zeroing - so now I need to create a new file system before zcat foo.iso |
| 15:44.42 | abrotman | no |
| 15:44.43 | valerie_ | ? |
| 15:44.53 | abrotman | you can keep doing what you think is right, or do it the way i said |
| 15:45.00 | valerie_ | OK, let me stop it and go straight to zcat |
| 15:45.04 | abrotman | you don't need to dd anything |
| 15:45.15 | abrotman | the zcat will overwrite stuff anyway |
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| 15:45.37 | kbc | i am following this guide to install: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Use_DKMS and 'cd /usr/src/linux && make xconfig' fails with "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/Makefile.build:44: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory" |
| 15:45.53 | kbc | and, sure enough, there is no Makefile |
| 15:46.02 | Jerald | did you run ./configure? |
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| 15:46.15 | Jerald | that creats the makefile |
| 15:46.20 | nvz | heh |
| 15:46.25 | kbc | umm.. no |
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| 15:46.30 | Jerald | try that |
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| 15:46.59 | kbc | should have known that |
| 15:47.08 | sney | Jerald: the linux kernel does not have a configure script. |
| 15:47.20 | Jerald | oh |
| 15:47.21 | Jerald | k |
| 15:47.22 | nvz | he likes yum, its not his fault.. |
| 15:47.29 | Jerald | i compile things |
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| 15:47.43 | Jerald | i compile things i want to fine tune |
| 15:47.55 | Jerald | like apache, php, mainly server thing |
| 15:47.56 | kbc | i need to "make menuconfig" then, i presume |
| 15:48.06 | sney | kbc: are you trying to use dkms? the dkms section of that wiki is very short, it really is that easy. building a custom kernel is probably overkill if you just want to install the nvidia driver |
| 15:48.14 | nvz | furthermore its not the kernel its the headers we're talking about |
| 15:48.16 | kbc | sney: just following the guide |
| 15:48.21 | Jerald | but i prefer to let the thing that knows what it's doing not f*** up my system |
| 15:48.31 | kbc | sney: i dont specifically *want* the DKMS |
| 15:48.41 | sney | kbc: the "guide" is a few different methods on one page, you're meant to choose which one makes sense for you |
| 15:48.49 | themill | kbc: so, umm.. why are you following that method then? |
| 15:48.55 | kbc | themill: not sure |
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| 15:49.17 | Jerald | question, i am normally a RH user, but do you need kernel headers? |
| 15:49.31 | Jerald | @kbc |
| 15:49.35 | nvz | heh wow |
| 15:49.38 | sney | Jerald: yes, as the page says right there. |
| 15:49.46 | Jerald | i didn't look. :S |
| 15:49.54 | sney | "All you need to do is install the kernel headers package for the Linux image that you're running (usually named linux-headers-<version> where <version> is whatever version of kernel you're running) and then install nvidia-kernel-dkms or the nvidia-kernel-legacy-...-dkms package for the legacy version of the drivers that you need. " |
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| 15:50.19 | sney | !tell kbc about nvidia dkms |
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| 15:51.10 | kbc | the 'nvidia-kernel-dkms' wasnt found |
| 15:51.11 | sney | that NvidiaGraphicsDrivers wiki page really is an unfortunate mess |
| 15:51.32 | sney | kbc: you have to enable non-free. |
| 15:51.35 | kbc | i did |
| 15:51.38 | kbc | and contrib |
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| 15:51.45 | sney | and run 'apt-get update' after editing sources.list |
| 15:51.45 | kbc | and aptitude update |
| 15:51.52 | kbc | yes |
| 15:52.20 | sney | can you paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net/ and link here please |
| 15:52.46 | kbc | http://paste.debian.net/201869/ |
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| 15:53.49 | sney | ok, that's fine, make sure you spelled the package name correctly |
| 15:53.53 | sney | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 15:53.54 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.48-2; experimental/non-free: 310.14-1 |
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| 15:54.07 | kbc | i just came from ubuntu where i was successfull in both binary driver installation and apt-get style |
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| 15:55.17 | kbc | dont i need to install some package for nvidia-kernel-dkms to be available? |
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| 15:56.05 | Cyclohexane | how can i count how many files are in a dir? |
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| 15:56.34 | kbc | Cyclohexane: ls /directory/ | wc -l |
| 15:56.45 | wkhan113 | hi I am trying to connect to wireless, using wicd. It says connection failed: bad password, can someone help! |
| 15:56.51 | zxq | Hello, I tried to install Debian Stable (latest version) but have many issues. Firstly, there appears to be no network manager after installing, my screen is streched out and no graphic drivers fix it. |
| 15:56.52 | themill | kbc: that won't work very well |
| 15:57.15 | Cyclohexane | kbc: I mean recursively (all files in subdirs too) |
| 15:57.15 | kbc | themill: yes, it depends how ls prints its output |
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| 15:57.20 | themill | Cyclohexane: can you promise that there aren't any files with newlines in their names? |
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| 15:57.58 | kbc | Cyclohexane: du |
| 15:58.25 | sney | kbc: debian and ubuntu approach the 3rd party driver thing very differently, so your experience on ubuntu isn't relevant |
| 15:58.45 | sney | kbc: nvidia-kernel-dkms is available immediately after you enable non-free. |
| 15:58.46 | kbc | sney: yes, it seems that something is done differently :P |
| 15:58.52 | kbc | sney: it's not for me |
| 15:59.50 | zxq | Hello, I tried to install Debian Stable (latest version) but have many issues. Firstly, there appears to be no network manager after installing, my screen is streched out and no graphic drivers fix it. |
| 15:59.53 | themill | Cyclohexane: you need to decide if/how you count hardlinks and empty directories too. |
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| 16:00.42 | sney | !bat |
| 16:00.43 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:00.45 | sney | kbc: ^ |
| 16:01.21 | themill | kbc: did you run "apt-get update" after editing your sources.list |
| 16:01.25 | kbc | yes i did |
| 16:03.15 | zxq | Hello, I tried to install Debian Stable (latest version) but have many issues. Firstly, there appears to be no network manager after installing, my screen is streched out and no graphic drivers fix it. |
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| 16:04.14 | themill | zxq: do you have a working network connection from that machine now? |
| 16:04.15 | McLovin | is back (gone 00:07:05) |
| 16:04.22 | themill | McLovin: please disable that |
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| 16:05.07 | McLovin | all I did was go away and then come back, wether or not shows in in the wettings on your client |
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| 16:05.30 | kbc | http://paste.debian.net/201880/ here is the apt-get update |
| 16:05.32 | McLovin | wettings=settings |
| 16:05.49 | themill | McLovin: umm, no. You have a plugin that is doing an /me is away; /me is back. Please disable that. |
| 16:06.17 | McLovin | I don't have a plugin, I marked myself as away on my own as I had to go do something realy quick |
| 16:06.26 | kbc | and apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/201881/ |
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| 16:07.15 | themill | McLovin: what irc client are you using? the setting is at your end, not in the clients of every other person in this channel |
| 16:07.23 | McLovin | hexchat |
| 16:07.33 | McLovin | all I do is /away |
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| 16:08.08 | themill | McLovin: perhaps ask in #hexchat how to disable away messages then. |
| 16:08.15 | Armand | Who is staff/ops in here? |
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| 16:08.43 | themill | Armand: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 16:09.08 | Armand | Ok, thanks |
| 16:09.10 | McLovin | if you don't like it, then don't pay attention to it, I use it cuz I'm an op in a bunch of other channels, and sometimes the other ops need to know if one of us goes to away or not |
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| 16:09.30 | themill | dpkg: tell McLovin about away |
| 16:09.46 | McLovin | wahtever, this is a stupid thing to argue about |
| 16:09.53 | themill | McLovin: I'm not arguing. I'm telling. |
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| 16:10.28 | valerie_ | abrotman and al. I am trying to do zcat debian-wheezy-DI-b3-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync ---- and I get this - gzip: debian-wheezy-DI-b3-amd64-netinst.iso: not in gzip format - what should I do ? |
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| 16:13.00 | ksuhku | valerie_, apparently zcat only eats gzips |
| 16:13.11 | ksuhku | use dd instead |
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| 16:13.46 | kbc | hmmh, all of a sudden, nvidia-kernel-dkms is there |
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| 16:14.16 | kbc | now we are back on the track |
| 16:15.19 | babilen | valerie_: Just use cat or cp (or dd if you *really* have to, but adjust the blocksize to 1024 if you do so (bs=1024)) |
| 16:15.54 | ksuhku | what's wrong with dd? |
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| 16:16.57 | babilen | ksuhku: It doesn't dynamically adjust its blocksize while copying large amounts of data. |
| 16:17.16 | engla | dd is hard to use |
| 16:17.20 | themill | ksuhku: more people get the syntax wrong with dd than any other tool you could use |
| 16:17.31 | babilen | and that |
| 16:17.58 | kbc | why "sudo echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" complains about permission denied for the file, but same command as straight root doesnt? |
| 16:18.13 | kbc | same command without sudo of course |
| 16:18.19 | themill | kbc: because you've caught the sudo disease.... |
| 16:18.35 | Armand | sneezes on themill |
| 16:18.40 | Armand | Excuse me.. |
| 16:18.47 | kbc | themill: i know, i normally dont sudo either, it's just the bad habit from ubuntu i've been using for a few days now |
| 16:18.48 | themill | kbc: you need to think very carefully about what > means in that command and who executes the > |
| 16:19.23 | babilen | kbc: You run the echo as root, but the redirect lacks the permission |
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| 16:19.38 | kbc | okay |
| 16:19.40 | themill | and the echo doesn't need to be run as root, the redirection does |
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| 16:19.48 | babilen | yup |
| 16:19.49 | kbc | yes, obviously |
| 16:20.11 | Bradipo | Is it possible to make build a package so that it does not claim ownership of top level directories? |
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| 16:20.39 | babilen | Bradipo: I don't quite follow. Could you explain your problem in more detail please? |
| 16:20.43 | Bradipo | For example, if I build a package and have Files: list that looks like: file1 /opt/file1, it claims that the package owns /opt |
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| 16:21.24 | Bradipo | dpkg -S /opt shows that my package owns /opt, which means if my package is uninstalled it will remove /opt, I don't want that. |
| 16:21.24 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /opt shows that my package owns /opt, which means if my package is uninstalled it will remove /opt, I don't want that.! |
| 16:21.35 | themill | dpkg: shush |
| 16:21.36 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 16:21.46 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
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| 16:24.19 | Bradipo | Basically, I don't want my package to claim ownership over any files that I don't explicitly list as files. |
| 16:24.36 | kbc | hmmh, i did the tricks by the bot and rebooted, now all i get is black screen and quickly and randomly flashing text cursor |
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| 16:26.01 | Juest | Hello, will putting debian on a external HDD work if i put it in a normal pc? |
| 16:26.20 | Juest | why no kernel 3.x yet? |
| 16:26.37 | Bradipo | Juest: If by work, you mean boot, as long as it supports booting from USB, it should work. |
| 16:26.40 | babilen | !tell Juest -about backports |
| 16:26.43 | babilen | !tell Juest -about bdo kernel |
| 16:27.19 | Juest | Bradipo: using IDE disk |
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| 16:28.03 | babilen | Bradipo: I would suggest to take it to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- I have to leave now and I don't see the problem with what you describe. |
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| 16:30.27 | Juest | does debian have kms? |
| 16:30.46 | Juest | it didn't set my native res |
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| 16:31.51 | Juest | Anyone? |
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| 16:35.45 | Juest | do netinstall require CD? |
| 16:36.00 | Juest | sr0 ioerrors :( |
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| 16:37.02 | scientes | Juest, no they do not |
| 16:37.07 | valerie_ | babilen thanks - cat works like a charm :) the usb stick boots and gives the installation screen - thanks a bunch :) |
| 16:37.12 | scientes | Juest, and the smaller netinst loads entirely into ram |
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| 16:38.48 | anomaly | is there a way to figure out when a command was last run, by time ideally or date? |
| 16:38.50 | Juest | scientes: im using netinst now and it's giving sr0 io error |
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| 16:40.39 | Juest | how i choose each package? not in categories? |
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| 16:40.59 | Juest | Hey |
| 16:41.23 | grothendieck | install the packages after installation? |
| 16:41.39 | Juest | Why is not letting me use netinst without cd? |
| 16:41.46 | grothendieck | ? |
| 16:42.00 | grothendieck | What do you mean? |
| 16:42.03 | anomaly | because a netinst.. is by nature.. for internet installation |
| 16:42.15 | anomaly | the netinst is just enough to boot and let the network grab the rest |
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| 16:42.32 | Juest | well, if i remove cd it ask for it |
| 16:42.49 | Juest | so? |
| 16:42.54 | grothendieck | What exactly is the problem? |
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| 16:43.19 | grothendieck | You have to mount the installation media, run the installer to get base system from the repositories, when the installer is finished, reboot and unmount installation media |
| 16:43.34 | grothendieck | then install whatever packages you want on top of the base system you installed |
| 16:44.00 | grothendieck | where is the point of confusion between booting the netinst disc, installing debian, and booting the base system? |
| 16:44.04 | Juest | 1) had io errors at some part of inst 2)if i remove cd it ask for it..... |
| 16:44.44 | Juest | grothendieck: i have no choice on picking what packages i want? |
| 16:44.52 | Juest | which* |
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| 16:45.06 | grothendieck | I think there is a way to doit |
| 16:45.36 | Juest | grothendieck: using expertgui |
| 16:45.41 | grothendieck | but if you need specific packages to be there at install time or for the installer to even finish working...maybe netinst is not the right choice |
| 16:46.12 | Juest | won't work on wifi? |
| 16:46.28 | Juest | well, idm actually |
| 16:46.43 | valerie_ | abrotman: thanks for your help, I just used cat instead of zcat - but your advise was useful - thanks again |
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| 16:47.53 | Juest | i have acerao722-bz454 with bios 1.08, it's uefi? will grub boot debian on gpt disk? |
| 16:47.56 | boudiccas | anomaly, use 'history' in a terminal |
| 16:47.57 | grothendieck | Is it absolutely necessary to do the installation over wifi? |
| 16:48.03 | Juest | lol |
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| 16:48.20 | Juest | no, but is possible? |
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| 16:50.02 | Juest | is good idea to have just rootfs and swap? |
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| 16:51.53 | ratcheer | Juest: It has good points. |
| 16:52.06 | Juest | ? |
| 16:52.07 | Juest | lol |
| 16:52.26 | dsdeiz | hi, i'm trying to install chromium-browser from testing. i have debian squeeze atm. i'm getting this error though. any ideas? http://pastebin.com/T7qAbMAW |
| 16:52.31 | lewis | does anyone use sublime text |
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| 16:52.45 | Juest | Why netinst don't have kms? (it didnt set native res) |
| 16:52.57 | ratcheer | Juest: I boot to a gpt disk with grub on Debian. |
| 16:53.20 | lewis | what text editor do you use |
| 16:53.32 | Juest | well, but will my bios boot the drive? |
| 16:53.44 | boudiccas | dsdeiz, dont mix repos and distros, leave the wheezy stuff for the wheezy setup, and stick with squeeze, otherwise you're creating problems for when you upgrade when wheezy becomes 'stable' |
| 16:54.14 | Juest | why it haves so many backports? |
| 16:54.27 | dsdeiz | so i guess if i would want a later version of chromium-browser i need to build it from source? |
| 16:55.08 | Juest | dsdeiz: see launchpad, there's chromium, bot managed ppa |
| 16:55.30 | boudiccas | dsdeiz, how you get it is up to you, but dont mix wheezy with squeeze, you'll create a mess that noone can help you with |
| 16:55.37 | dsdeiz | got it, thx |
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| 16:56.39 | boudiccas | Juest, please dott advise people to use ppa and ubuntu launchpad, it just creates problems |
| 16:57.09 | boudiccas | dont |
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| 17:16.11 | Juest | hey, everything in squeeze is backports of stable software??? |
| 17:16.27 | dondelelcaro | Juest: no |
| 17:17.04 | Juest | umm, what packages are backports? is debian really 2012? |
| 17:17.10 | dondelelcaro | Juest: squeeze is software which was stable enough to be RC bug free at the time of release, and we have only fixed security bugs and other major bugs since then. |
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| 17:17.40 | dondelelcaro | Juest: what Debian calls backports are packages in the backport archive, where a newer version of the package was compiled to work on the stable release. |
| 17:18.00 | Juest | oh, a bug free distro with backports of old src. |
| 17:18.18 | nkuttler | Juest: no |
| 17:18.21 | dondelelcaro | not bug free, no. |
| 17:18.37 | Juest | why it doesn't use 3.x kernel? |
| 17:18.37 | nkuttler | Juest: Debian is 2012. Stable is stable |
| 17:19.01 | dondelelcaro | Juest: because 3.x wasn't stable when we released stable. Current versions of Debian do, and there are backports of 3.. |
| 17:19.25 | Juest | and what kernel should i choose? ( i have acerao722-bz454 {go guess specs}) |
| 17:19.48 | dondelelcaro | Juest: if you're installing the stable version, use the stable kernel unless you have specific requirements |
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| 17:19.59 | Juest | well, which is? |
| 17:20.16 | jelly-home | Juest: if it's a sandybridge or newer chipset and intel graphics, you might need backported kernel and xorg/video drivers |
| 17:20.24 | Juest | i choosed 686 2.6.35... |
| 17:20.43 | Juest | my gpu is ati radeon hd 6250 |
| 17:21.00 | jelly-home | has no clue about ati or amd |
| 17:21.04 | Juest | amd c50 cpu |
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| 17:22.25 | Juest | Why i see (EE) FBIDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument? |
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| 17:22.50 | Juest | on f1 in netinstall expertgui |
| 17:22.50 | justin_ | Juest: post the entire X log not just a single line |
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| 17:23.23 | Juest | can't, how do i post it when doing netinst? |
| 17:23.49 | justin_ | don't use the gui netinst |
| 17:24.25 | Juest | why? and is kms on? (it didn't set native res) |
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| 17:24.52 | justin_ | why? it's not working. easiest thing to do when optional things are not working is to not use them |
| 17:25.02 | Juest | doh |
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| 17:25.58 | Juest | what are the five biggest packages in the main repo? |
| 17:26.17 | justin_ | Juest: why? |
| 17:26.24 | gele | is there any support for accelerated graphics with atom n2600 systems yet? |
| 17:26.43 | Juest | openoffice.org-core package is taking very long |
| 17:26.57 | justin_ | Juest: it's a big package. |
| 17:27.04 | Juest | how big? |
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| 17:27.29 | justin_ | 50M or so |
| 17:28.05 | Juest | Doh |
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| 17:28.56 | Juest | says 8h remaining...... |
| 17:29.06 | jacobw | you need more networks |
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| 17:30.02 | Juest | lol? |
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| 17:30.05 | jacobw | yes |
| 17:30.20 | Juest | how i can skip package |
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| 17:31.16 | justin_ | Juest: why are you doing a network install if your connection is so slow? |
| 17:31.19 | Juest | ... |
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| 17:31.28 | Juest | is not slow |
| 17:31.32 | lewis | I tried to installed a text editor following these 3 simple steps https://gist.github.com/2716568. now that I type the command sublime_text, bash does not recognize it |
| 17:31.36 | Juest | 2mb download |
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| 17:31.51 | Juest | downloading from cdn.debian.org..... |
| 17:32.04 | Juest | net* |
| 17:32.10 | Juest | cdn.debian.ney |
| 17:32.11 | justin_ | 2 megabit? that is slow |
| 17:32.13 | Juest | net * |
| 17:32.16 | Juest | lol |
| 17:32.21 | Juest | 40megabits |
| 17:32.31 | Juest | that's my rx,tx |
| 17:32.39 | justin_ | then downloading a 50M file should not take 8 hours |
| 17:33.02 | Juest | lol, 1,469kb took too long |
| 17:33.15 | justin_ | perhaps cdn.debian.org doesn't know where you are and you can re-try manually selecting a faster mirror |
| 17:33.16 | Juest | maybe because my internet id bad? |
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| 17:33.20 | nkuttler | Juest: use something like apt-spy or apt-netselect |
| 17:33.28 | Juest | congestion probably? |
| 17:33.49 | Juest | im on netinst expertgui nkuttler |
| 17:34.11 | nkuttler | Juest: i see. i only install the core with the installer, no idea |
| 17:34.17 | Juest | says 4:50 now.... |
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| 17:36.50 | Juest | is squeeze a selinux systemd kernel? |
| 17:37.00 | Juest | ... |
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| 17:38.09 | Juest | 300 packages to go..... |
| 17:38.18 | Juest | 500* |
| 17:38.24 | Juest | Hello? |
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| 17:41.57 | D-Boy | how can i execute this command whenever the server reboot ? --> autossh -M port -f -D localhost:port -p 22 user@host.tld -N |
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| 17:42.33 | Juest | is squeeze a sysv or systemd system!? |
| 17:42.55 | Innocentus | where can I find a good channel for network (hardware, switches)? |
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| 17:43.23 | Juest | Innocentus: #network? |
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| 17:43.48 | Juest | ##hardware,##networking ? |
| 17:44.42 | D-Boy | (found it ! @reboot on a crontab ^^) |
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| 17:48.15 | owen1 | what app can create a debian usb boot? (for mac) |
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| 17:53.29 | Juest | how long can take netinstall? |
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| 17:54.38 | boudiccas | Juest, its your fault for doing a netinst on a slow connection, stop whining |
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| 17:55.15 | Juest | well, idk why is slow |
| 17:55.26 | Juest | and it's all i got :( |
| 17:55.36 | Juest | Really, |
| 17:56.14 | Juest | i |
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| 17:56.38 | Juest | have no choice, because i lack cds to burn |
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| 17:57.36 | joehillen | Juest: what about usb? |
| 17:57.38 | Juest | So? |
| 17:57.49 | Juest | well, i got none |
| 17:58.07 | joehillen | bummer |
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| 17:58.14 | Juest | lol? |
| 17:58.35 | Juest | joehillen: wat? why im? |
| 17:58.49 | digdilem | is finding this channel hard work right now |
| 17:59.44 | Juest | joehillen: i have sticks in use now... |
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| 18:00.10 | Juest | i mean, i don't / won't format my sticks |
| 18:00.55 | joehillen | then I guess you're SOL, unless you want to try and iso mount in grub. Assuming you already have grub installed. |
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| 18:01.29 | Juest | no, i don't have grub, |
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| 18:01.46 | shak3zula | change your mirror |
| 18:02.04 | tictacbum | hello, I need to compile wine on debian wheezy amd64 |
| 18:02.11 | shak3zula | some of them are dastardly slow for netinst |
| 18:02.27 | Juest | and im installing debian on an ext hdd, and my laptop disk is unusable |
| 18:02.30 | joehillen | tictacbum: talk to the wine guys |
| 18:02.31 | tictacbum | normally I would install ia32-libs-dev, but it is the way to go on multiarch? |
| 18:02.42 | Juest | and im using cdn.debian.net |
| 18:03.08 | Juest | and i can't change mirror in the middle of install |
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| 18:03.38 | shak3zula | ha, true, guess you're stuck waiting then! |
| 18:04.22 | Juest | does netinstall allow me to resume interrupted installs? |
| 18:05.05 | joehillen | Juest: I doubt it. How far are you in? |
| 18:05.32 | Juest | 277 of 630 select and install |
| 18:05.50 | Juest | 284* |
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| 18:06.25 | boudiccas | Juest, still whining? |
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| 18:07.41 | Juest | well, is a pain, and my inernet is fast but it's giving bad speeds, actually it's having high-lows and in downloading from cdn.debian.net and im in Argentina |
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| 18:10.30 | tictacbum | joehillen: my doubt is about multiarch and ia32-libs-dev |
| 18:10.38 | Juest | ... |
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| 18:11.32 | dondelelcaro | tictacbum: yes, multiarch is the way to go |
| 18:11.52 | dondelelcaro | tictacbum: ia32-libs et al. was a pretty collossal hack until we got real multiarch support |
| 18:12.01 | tictacbum | dondelelcaro: what is the ia32-libs-dev equivalent? |
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| 18:12.51 | dondelelcaro | tictacbum: there isn't one; you just install the -dev packages and the libraries you need from i386 |
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| 18:13.04 | ben1066 | I presume that Mono 3.0 was in time for Wheezy? |
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| 18:13.13 | dondelelcaro | ben1066: no |
| 18:13.18 | boudiccas | ,v mono |
| 18:13.19 | judd | No package named 'mono' was found in i386. |
| 18:13.24 | tictacbum | dondelelcaro: can I use apt-get build-dep ? |
| 18:13.37 | ben1066 | blegh, that's gonna such, means I'll have to use backports straight awawy |
| 18:13.41 | dondelelcaro | tictacbum: I'm not actually sure about that |
| 18:14.21 | tictacbum | dondelelcaro: ah just found, -a <arch> I'll try |
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| 18:14.38 | dondelelcaro | tictacbum: yeah, for building packages, I actually use a real i386 chroot with pbuilder. |
| 18:14.49 | dondelelcaro | tictacbum: since that way I don't have build deps floating around at all |
| 18:14.53 | dondelelcaro | but whatever works |
| 18:15.38 | Juest | should i go Debian's irc? |
| 18:16.42 | dondelelcaro | Juest: not sure what you mean; most people who are answering questions on irc.debian.org are here too |
| 18:16.51 | tryy3 | is there any bad "security" stuff i should know of if i wanna connect a VNC client to my dedi? |
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| 18:21.52 | justin_ | tryy3: what is a dedi? |
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| 18:22.09 | tryy3 | justin_ dedicated server |
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| 18:22.24 | justin_ | could have fooled me... |
| 18:22.28 | Juest | lol, rly u guys don't know that? |
| 18:22.31 | justin_ | tryy3: use vnc over ssh |
| 18:22.57 | joehillen | justin_: smart |
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| 18:23.12 | justin_ | Juest: yes, I only speak english. |
| 18:23.15 | tryy3 | k |
| 18:23.32 | boudiccas | !u |
| 18:23.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:23.39 | Juest | lol, and dedi IS english |
| 18:23.45 | tryy3 | justin dedi is a short name for dedicated that is an english word |
| 18:23.47 | Juest | WTF! |
| 18:23.58 | justin_ | the CLI vncviewer even supports that as an option.. vncviewer -via server localhost:1 |
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| 18:24.22 | themill | Juest: umm... no. Also remember that for a lot of people here, English is not their first language so slang makes it much harder for them to help |
| 18:24.38 | Juest | weh |
| 18:24.49 | Juest | i only speak English and Spanish |
| 18:25.04 | Juest | native Spanish and fluent English |
| 18:25.20 | justin_ | Juest: stay in school |
| 18:25.25 | joehillen | justin_: lol |
| 18:25.30 | Juest | im 18 |
| 18:25.39 | joehillen | Juest: could have fooled me |
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| 18:25.50 | Juest | wtf |
| 18:26.02 | themill | ... perhaps we could get back to user support now |
| 18:26.11 | joehillen | Juest: how's that install coming? |
| 18:26.12 | boudiccas | justin_, can you please take your social chit-chat to #debian-offtopic, as its offtopic here |
| 18:26.30 | boudiccas | Juest, sorry, that was for you |
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| 18:26.58 | Juest | joehillen: 323 of 630 |
| 18:27.02 | Juest | lol |
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| 18:27.53 | Pnoexz | hey, how do i know if im using alsa or pulse? |
| 18:28.01 | justin_ | Pnoexz: pulse runs on top of alsa. |
| 18:28.24 | Pnoexz | justin_: aah, thanks |
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| 18:28.34 | justin_ | you can use alsa without using pulseaudio, but you're always using alsa |
| 18:28.47 | Pnoexz | yeah, it makes sense |
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| 18:29.36 | joehillen | phenom: pulseaudio --check && echo $? |
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| 18:30.04 | joehillen | phenom: err, actually: pulseaudio --check -v |
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| 18:30.42 | Juest | joehillen: freeparts 29mb package |
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| 18:31.20 | joehillen | totally cares about Juest's install progress |
| 18:31.44 | Juest | lol |
| 18:32.02 | Juest | says 2h remaining |
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| 18:32.52 | joehillen | Juest: keep watching the loading bar, it will go faster that way. Don't let your eyes leave it for a second |
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| 18:33.15 | Juest | lol |
| 18:33.18 | Juest | No |
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| 18:33.36 | Juest | it won't |
| 18:33.45 | joehillen | yes it will |
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| 18:34.06 | Juest | ~5h passed since started netinstall |
| 18:34.27 | joehillen | cause you weren't watching it |
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| 18:35.33 | Juest | I guess im wasting time, is to test if my netbook have uefi |
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| 18:40.40 | fairway | hi all |
| 18:41.01 | ratcheer | fairway: ! |
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| 18:41.21 | fairway | SMTP auth with exim4 is a nightmare |
| 18:42.17 | ratcheer | I am sorry to hear it. |
| 18:42.38 | ratcheer | mail? |
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| 18:44.21 | fairway | yes |
| 18:44.31 | fairway | I am trying to connect to smtp auth with my iphone |
| 18:44.33 | tryy3 | this start to get annoying, does anyone know how to fix this, iam in a screen (and its only in this screen) and when i press delete button, it prints out ^H so i haft to press ctrl + delete button to delete the symbols, how can i fix this? |
| 18:44.34 | fairway | hopeless |
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| 18:44.56 | jmd | What answers do I have to give to dpk-reconfigure keyboard-configuration to get a keyboard that plays nicely with emacs ? |
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| 18:47.26 | ratcheer | tryy3: Is it a terminal window? |
| 18:47.35 | tryy3 | ratcheer ssh |
| 18:47.52 | tryy3 | ratcheer so ye :D |
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| 18:48.17 | Pnoexz | tryy3: is it just you who has this problem? |
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| 18:49.20 | tryy3 | Pnoexz i dont know, its only my self that are accessing the server so :D |
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| 18:50.33 | Pnoexz | tryy3: i use Guake and in the preferences theres a compatibility tab which shows... backspace key generates: and the options are.. ascii del, escape sequence and control-h |
| 18:50.44 | Pnoexz | im guessing your terminal should have a similar configuration |
| 18:51.08 | Pnoexz | if it does, just switch control-h to ascii del |
| 18:51.11 | tryy3 | Pnoexz iam using MobaXterm but gonna check the preference |
| 18:52.19 | tryy3 | but the weird thing is that it works for the other screens (the program screen) but not this screen and this is my general screen |
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| 18:53.06 | n^ | aah, it must be on the server side |
| 18:53.23 | n^ | i cant help much.. but maybe skel? |
| 18:53.45 | lewis | I'm in a folder trying to execute a file but I'm unable to do so. also the tab shortcut doesn't actually work |
| 18:54.07 | n^ | lewis: is the file marked as executable? |
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| 18:54.21 | lewis | n^: totally |
| 18:54.37 | n^ | also, if the file is inside the current directory, you need to prepend ./ in front of it |
| 18:54.45 | tryy3 | n^ skel? what is that? |
| 18:55.17 | n^ | !skel |
| 18:55.27 | n^ | what was the name of the bot here? i forgot |
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| 18:55.32 | tryy3 | dpkg |
| 18:56.04 | lewis | n^: http://pastebin.com/B8LKfp83 |
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| 18:56.22 | lewis | n^: your nicknae is unique in his own way by the way lol |
| 18:56.40 | lewis | nickname* its* grr |
| 18:56.47 | n^ | lewis: try ./sublime_test |
| 18:56.50 | n^ | trext* |
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| 18:57.33 | n^ | whoops |
| 18:57.33 | Juest | lewis: Yeah, u were frogetting that, |
| 18:57.47 | Juest | exec didn't worked for him |
| 18:58.21 | lewis | n^: oh thanks so much it worked. |
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| 18:58.36 | n^ | lewis: no problem |
| 18:58.39 | lewis | n^: do I always have to prepend ./ for executable |
| 18:58.46 | lewis | I don't remember doing that on ubuntu |
| 18:58.53 | n^ | lewis: unless the directory is included to $PATH, yes |
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| 19:01.20 | n^ | and i do remember having to do that on ubuntu |
| 19:01.34 | rainfyre | lewis: did you end up installing squeeze? |
| 19:01.35 | lewis | i created a symbolic link to the usr/local/bin folder, so I should be able to type sublime_test anywhere and get it to open, no? n^ |
| 19:01.37 | n^ | in fact, i always forget to do it |
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| 19:02.12 | n^ | lewis: i believe so |
| 19:02.18 | n^ | TIAS |
| 19:02.23 | lewis | rainfyre: yes i did, why =) |
| 19:02.31 | Juest | lewis: try cding out of there |
| 19:02.40 | rainfyre | lewis: curious after all the apt-get/aptitude questions last night :) |
| 19:02.55 | n^ | aptitude > apt-get |
| 19:03.09 | lewis | n^: so i followed those exact steps and it didn't work |
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| 19:03.18 | lewis | n^: https://gist.github.com/2716568 - 3 lines |
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| 19:04.22 | lewis | rainfyre: that wasn't me buddy |
| 19:04.46 | n^ | lewis: theres nothing on bin there |
| 19:04.56 | n^ | oh, wait |
| 19:05.16 | atrepp | hi, i just updated ubuntu to the latest version and i can not start asterisk correctly it says |
| 19:05.20 | atrepp | [2012-10-19 20:59:31] WARNING[27367] loader.c: Error loading module 'app_stack.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/app_stack.so: undefined symbol: ast_agi_unregister |
| 19:05.21 | atrepp | [2012-10-19 20:59:31] WARNING[27367] loader.c: Error loading module 'app_speech_utils.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/app_speech_utils.so: undefined symbol: ast_speech_dtmf |
| 19:05.23 | atrepp | [2012-10-19 20:59:31] WARNING[27367] loader.c: Error loading module 'res_config_odbc.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/res_config_odbc.so: undefined symbol: _ast_odbc_request_obj2 |
| 19:05.25 | atrepp | [2012-10-19 20:59:31] WARNING[27367] loader.c: Error loading module 'pbx_ael.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/pbx_ael.so: undefined symbol: ael2_parse |
| 19:05.26 | atrepp | [2012-10-19 20:59:31] WARNING[27367] loader.c: Error loading module 'res_fax_spandsp.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/res_fax_spandsp.so: undefined symbol: ast_fax_state_to_str |
| 19:05.28 | atrepp | [2012-10-19 20:59:31] WARNING[27367] loader.c: Error loading module 'app_voicemail.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/app_voicemail.so: undefined symbol: ast_smdi_mwi_set |
| 19:05.29 | atrepp | [2012-10-19 20:59:31] WARNING[27367] loader.c: Error loading module 'res_agi.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/res_agi.so: undefined symbol: ast_speech_change |
| 19:05.37 | dioz | nice long paste |
| 19:05.41 | dioz | should use pastebin for that |
| 19:05.47 | n^ | atrepp: NEVER paste multines here.. EVER |
| 19:05.49 | Juest | Lol |
| 19:05.51 | atrepp | ok sorry |
| 19:06.02 | lewis | lol |
| 19:06.23 | fairway | 2012-10-19 21:09:11 SMTP call from [91.137.72.169] dropped: too many syntax or protocol errors (last command was "?g?k?3?9????? |
| 19:06.31 | fairway | iPhone SMTP auth |
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| 19:06.40 | damaxus | atrepp: #ubuntu |
| 19:06.58 | n^ | lewis: `ln -s /opt/sublime-text-2 /usr/local/sublime-text-2` <= that should have failed |
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| 19:07.06 | n^ | oh wait |
| 19:07.19 | justin_ | fairway: is it trying to do SSL on a non-ssl port? |
| 19:07.26 | n^ | it should work.. did you get any errors? |
| 19:07.27 | fairway | maybe :) |
| 19:07.38 | rainfyre | lewis: wow, different lewis |
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| 19:08.45 | Juest | how do i cancel debian netinstall? im in select and install retieve portion |
| 19:08.46 | lewis | rainfyre: I remember saying that most people don't know the difference between aptitude and apt-get or something like that |
| 19:08.49 | n^ | lewis: what does `which sublime_text` say? |
| 19:09.15 | Juest | ..... |
| 19:09.17 | lewis | n^: it returns nothing |
| 19:09.36 | Juest | ..... |
| 19:09.41 | Juest | anyone? |
| 19:09.52 | n^ | lewis: find /usr | grep "sublime_text" |
| 19:09.57 | n^ | Juest: no, go away |
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| 19:10.27 | n^ | we dont like to be .....'d.. we are not your employees |
| 19:10.45 | lewis | lol |
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| 19:11.27 | owen1 | i am installing netinst on my desktop and see: 'no installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources'. any tips? |
| 19:11.42 | Juest | n^: Why? i need to canel it because it's worthless/a waste of time/have to switch to msdos part table |
| 19:11.47 | lewis | n^: it returns /usr/local/bin/sublime_text , shouldn't it return /usr/local/sublime_text too |
| 19:11.54 | n^ | Juest: not my problem |
| 19:12.10 | owen1 | it's amd64, btw |
| 19:12.16 | fairway | SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from |
| 19:12.19 | Juest | just, How i cancel the installation!? |
| 19:12.20 | fairway | a nightmare |
| 19:12.57 | n^ | lewis: dont think so |
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| 19:13.30 | damaxus | Juest: what are you talking about, have to change to msdos partition? anyway, some stuff can't be cancelled, eg partition changes or files already copied.. otherwise, uhhh.......... reboot. |
| 19:13.36 | irinix | Question: A friend and I are coding an AI to PLAY a curses based game from a seperate terminal |
| 19:13.46 | Juest | is wifi supported on netinstall (consider i don't have Ethernet / lan available) |
| 19:14.04 | irinix | is there a way to interpret the ansi stream without the built in curses ansi color coding? |
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| 19:14.21 | irinix | Note: The Color of each character IS important |
| 19:14.24 | Juest | damaxus: im on select and install software retrieve portion, how i exit from there? |
| 19:14.29 | damaxus | some wifi is supported on netinstall, but you'll have best luck if you use a non-free netinst disk that includes firmware |
| 19:14.39 | irinix | I just want to read the curses output without any ansi shit |
| 19:14.53 | Juest | .... |
| 19:14.55 | damaxus | Juest: if you want to cancel the whole install, reboot the computer without the media inserted |
| 19:14.59 | damaxus | ...... |
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| 19:15.19 | n^ | what is wrong with you people? |
| 19:15.31 | owen1 | i am installing netinst amd64 on my desktop and see: 'no installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources'. any tips? |
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| 19:15.33 | Juest | k, but it's safe? |
| 19:15.38 | n^ | lewis: well, try running the binary with the absolute path |
| 19:15.51 | lewis | n^: how come? I created a symbolic in both /usr/local/sublime_text and /usr/local/bin/sublime_text (although I'm not sure why) |
| 19:15.52 | irinix | owen1, what arch is your machine? |
| 19:15.59 | owen1 | 64bit |
| 19:16.02 | owen1 | irinix: ^ |
| 19:16.12 | irinix | owen1, intel or amd |
| 19:16.18 | n^ | amd |
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| 19:16.22 | owen1 | irinix: intel |
| 19:16.28 | Juest | lol |
| 19:16.30 | n^ | didnt you just say amd? |
| 19:16.39 | n^ | (04:12:10 PM) owen1: it's amd64, btw |
| 19:16.41 | owen1 | n^: the netinst is amd |
| 19:16.45 | damaxus | Juest: by itself, yes it's safe. if you've already altered eg partitoning, it depends on how you've changed itl. |
| 19:16.48 | n^ | why? |
| 19:16.53 | irinix | owen1, you're using the wrong netinst |
| 19:16.54 | damaxus | you're probably ok. |
| 19:16.57 | n^ | why do you use amd installer? |
| 19:17.04 | irinix | owen1, give me a second |
| 19:17.13 | owen1 | irinix: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 19:17.18 | owen1 | where is the correct one for me? |
| 19:17.22 | Juest | damaxus: well i added 150gb ext4 and 10gb swap |
| 19:17.28 | irinix | thanks for the link, saved me a trip to the site |
| 19:17.31 | n^ | lewis: to be honest, i never used /usr/local.. ive always used ~/bin |
| 19:17.44 | owen1 | n^: is it the i386 |
| 19:17.46 | owen1 | ? |
| 19:17.48 | irinix | yeah |
| 19:17.49 | Juest | was an empty hdd where i switched to gpt |
| 19:17.53 | owen1 | is i386 = 64 bit? |
| 19:17.59 | irinix | that's the one I would start with the i386 |
| 19:18.02 | pato83 | owen1:no, it is not!!! |
| 19:18.05 | n^ | yes owen1, if you have a i368, use thee 368 one |
| 19:18.07 | owen1 | pato83: ok. |
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| 19:18.15 | owen1 | i have intel z200 |
| 19:18.16 | irinix | he can't use the ia64 |
| 19:18.17 | Juest | owen1: x86_64 IS intel x64 |
| 19:18.23 | owen1 | intel xeon |
| 19:18.24 | damaxus | Juest: so in that case, no issues there. |
| 19:18.30 | Juest | ;) |
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| 19:18.36 | lewis | n^: root@S0106386077d95284:/opt/sublime-text-2# /usr/local/bin/sublime_text |
| 19:18.38 | lewis | bash: /usr/local/bin/sublime_text: is a directory |
| 19:18.50 | owen1 | Juest: i don't see x86_64 here: |
| 19:18.56 | owen1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 19:18.57 | pato83 | owen1: if you have intel or amd with 64-bit instruction set support, you should use amd64 installation. |
| 19:19.21 | pato83 | owen1: It has nothing to do with your cpu whatsoever. |
| 19:19.25 | owen1 | pato83: right. that's the one i use. and get 'no installable kernel' |
| 19:19.30 | n^ | lewis: looks like you made a mistake on those slinks |
| 19:19.43 | n^ | lewis: do you still have the commands you used? |
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| 19:20.21 | n^ | or maybe that howto was written for a particular version, then they changes the tree of the .tar |
| 19:20.22 | owen1 | debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:20.36 | justin_ | owen1: if the installer booted it was the right architecture.. |
| 19:20.45 | lewis | n^: yes I do. ln -s /opt/sublime-text-2/ /usr/local/sublime-text-2 and ln -s /usr/local/sublime-text-2 /usr/local/bin/sublime_text |
| 19:21.00 | owen1 | justin_: ok. i am ok to use bigger iso |
| 19:21.12 | owen1 | if the netist is not working |
| 19:21.15 | pato83 | owen1: that is the right iso if you have 64bit capable processor. |
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| 19:21.34 | n^ | lewis: the second one is wrong, first parameter should end in /sublime_text |
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| 19:21.47 | n^ | ln -s /usr/local/sublime-text-2/sublime_text /usr/local/bin/sublime_text |
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| 19:22.04 | owen1 | pato83: awesome. but if there is no kernel, i can't do anything. i continued with the install anyway and found my self in a terminal with GRUB> |
| 19:22.11 | fantasy | Hey |
| 19:22.16 | owen1 | (after restart) |
| 19:22.17 | Juest | owen1: have/had installed x64 os earlier or something? |
| 19:22.28 | owen1 | Juest: it's a desktop with no OS |
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| 19:22.43 | owen1 | Juest: i think. it came from helpdesk |
| 19:22.46 | pato83 | owen1: switch to tty4 during the installation, it could show you more about that problem. |
| 19:22.47 | owen1 | (company) |
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| 19:23.20 | Juest | owen1: get x64 os inst media and try |
| 19:23.40 | owen1 | pato83: i am in a tty. i see busybox v1.17.1 |
| 19:23.46 | pato83 | owen1: it would not eve boot up the installation medium, if you did not have cpu with 64 bit support. |
| 19:23.50 | lewis | n^: : oh shoot. thanks man. is it going to override the symbolic link i mistakenly created if i do it over |
| 19:24.06 | n^ | lewis: i think it would, but not sure |
| 19:24.09 | pato83 | owen1: go to /var/log/ |
| 19:24.11 | owen1 | Juest: btw, i use usb for installing |
| 19:24.14 | fantasy | Can somebody help me to configure my crontab correctly? |
| 19:24.33 | n^ | fantasy: dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 19:24.44 | owen1 | pato83: i am there |
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| 19:24.54 | owen1 | Xorg.0.log, partman, syslog |
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| 19:25.32 | fantasy | Kay... I set up a cron as root with this content : 5 5 * * * root /sbin/shutdown -r now |
| 19:25.43 | fantasy | But there is a mistake |
| 19:26.26 | fantasy | Because my crontab isn't working |
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| 19:26.38 | owen1 | pato83: in syslog i see: 'gpgv: can't check signature: public key not found' |
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| 19:26.41 | n^ | define isnt working |
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| 19:26.54 | pato83 | owen1: you see, you can do that. :) |
| 19:26.55 | owen1 | pato83: error while runnnig apt-cdrom |
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| 19:27.12 | n^ | owen1: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:27.21 | n^ | comment out the c-rom lines |
| 19:27.26 | pato83 | owen1: the last you wrote is more interesting for us. |
| 19:27.29 | n^ | cd-rom* |
| 19:27.34 | n^ | usb installs always do that |
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| 19:27.54 | fantasy | ... you mean which person? |
| 19:27.55 | owen1 | E: package 'locales' has no installation candidate |
| 19:28.13 | n^ | owen1: seems like your sources are bad |
| 19:28.16 | owen1 | localechooser: error: the command 'validlocale' is not available |
| 19:28.31 | owen1 | n^: i use usb install (unetbootin) |
| 19:28.37 | owen1 | not sure if it's relevant |
| 19:28.48 | n^ | i know, the usb sources are wrong |
| 19:29.02 | owen1 | i also see: base-installer: info: found kernels '' |
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| 19:29.14 | n^ | because they are meant to be load from a cd along with the repository.. so apt is told to look in the cd |
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| 19:29.27 | n^ | but since you dont have a cd, you need to manually edit the sources |
| 19:29.30 | owen1 | n^: so i should burn the netinst on a cd? |
| 19:29.39 | pato83 | owen1: you dont need any unetbootin (although it should fine ). Netinstall is great in a way, that you can just download it and use dd to copy it to usb. It works flawlessly. |
| 19:29.45 | n^ | no, you can edit the sources just fine owen1 |
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| 19:30.02 | owen1 | n^: oh. ok. vim /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:30.10 | n^ | owen1: yessir |
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| 19:30.24 | pato83 | owen1: most probably nano , but i might be wrong. |
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| 19:30.41 | n^ | doesnt matter which editor you use, as long as its available |
| 19:30.52 | n^ | (and vim probably isnt) |
| 19:30.53 | pato83 | owen1: n^ of course, i agree. |
| 19:31.04 | owen1 | i don't have apt folder |
| 19:31.07 | pato83 | n^: of course, i agree |
| 19:31.34 | n^ | owen1: how are you doing this? |
| 19:31.40 | owen1 | maybe i should continue with the install? i am in tty |
| 19:31.46 | owen1 | cd /etc |
| 19:31.48 | owen1 | ls |
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| 19:32.29 | n^ | wrong window? :P |
| 19:32.30 | lewis | n^: please take a look. http://pastebin.com/ezafFA0q |
| 19:32.42 | owen1 | pato83: i didn't know i can use netinst iso file and put it into a usb! |
| 19:32.59 | owen1 | that's cool |
| 19:33.10 | owen1 | n^: so where is my apt folder? |
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| 19:33.20 | n^ | lewis: rm /usr/local/bin/sublime_text/sublime_text |
| 19:33.38 | n^ | owen1: it SHOULD be on /etc |
| 19:34.32 | n^ | lewis: creating a new slink on top of another slink didnt overwrite it, so you need to remove it manually |
| 19:34.40 | owen1 | n^: it's not there. i see all kind of folders and files but not apt |
| 19:35.00 | lewis | n^:...things your learn while learning |
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| 19:35.47 | n^ | lewis: things you learn while helping other people ;) |
| 19:36.15 | blast_hardcheese | Howdy all! |
| 19:36.22 | n^ | owen1: i dont know what else to tell you.. other than `find / | grep apt` |
| 19:36.25 | pato83 | n^: it should be there, but in /target/etc/apt , if he is installing the system right now. It might be in /etc/apt , but i am not sure that apt is available . |
| 19:36.29 | blast_hardcheese | How does one get aptitude (apt?) from resolving dependencies like this: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2012-10-19/aptitude.txt ? |
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| 19:37.34 | n^ | blast_hardcheese: start by dividing what you are tryng to install.. instead of doing them all together, do them one by one |
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| 19:38.03 | n^ | identify the one whos messing everything up |
| 19:38.18 | blast_hardcheese | n^: No, that much is fine; Scroll all the way down |
| 19:38.20 | n^ | which is probably perl-base |
| 19:38.39 | blast_hardcheese | perl was the culprit; All I needed to do was suggest it upgrade perl and all the conflicts went away |
| 19:38.50 | owen1 | n^: it's in /target |
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| 19:39.01 | owen1 | n^: my sources.list is emtpy |
| 19:39.20 | owen1 | pato83: ^ |
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| 19:40.02 | n^ | owen1: these are mine.. they will probably be too slow for you, but if you cant find anything better.. http://pastebin.com/0uPRH5Qi |
| 19:40.07 | pato83 | owen1: /target will become / in your new system . During the installation is not used in any way. |
| 19:40.21 | owen1 | pato83: ok. |
| 19:40.41 | n^ | owen1: maybe go back to the step where you choose the repository to download from |
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| 19:40.58 | owen1 | n^: oh. i don't remember being asked that |
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| 19:41.34 | n^ | how far in are you in the install process? owen1 |
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| 19:41.55 | owen1 | n^: install base system, i think |
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| 19:42.04 | owen1 | go to 'detect and mount cd-rom' ? |
| 19:42.17 | n^ | no |
| 19:42.23 | owen1 | (btw, i didn't add repos to sources) |
| 19:42.23 | lewis | n^: haha ...thanks by the way |
| 19:42.29 | n^ | i dont remember the installer |
| 19:42.32 | lewis | n^: please take a look http://pastebin.com/xHpUKRCr |
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| 19:43.07 | Shutdown | where i can find a good explanation for the chroot command? i understand the "raw", but i want to know more about chroot |
| 19:43.33 | n^ | lewis: what do you get if you run it from /opt with full path? |
| 19:43.41 | n^ | Shutdown: man chroot |
| 19:43.59 | n^ | oh wait |
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| 19:44.12 | owen1 | n^: how about 'load installer components from CD' |
| 19:44.28 | n^ | owen1: thats exactly what you are trying to avoid |
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| 19:44.46 | n^ | should say something like "mirrors" |
| 19:44.51 | owen1 | n^: i'll write down all the items on the menu |
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| 19:45.13 | lewis | n^: root@S0106386077d95284:/usr/local/sublime-text-2# /opt/sublime-text-2/sublime_text |
| 19:45.15 | lewis | bash: /opt/sublime-text-2/sublime_text: No such file or directory |
| 19:45.15 | n^ | owen1: did you know you can do the install process from SSH? |
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| 19:45.30 | owen1 | n^: no |
| 19:45.35 | Shutdown | n^: thanks for the point, but "man chroot (and even man 2 chroot)" only explain the command syntax, and i want a more detailed explantation |
| 19:45.45 | n^ | lewis: this has gotten too messy, maybe start again? |
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| 19:45.49 | Juest | do i need the cd for netinst? |
| 19:45.49 | owen1 | i see this menu item: 'configure the package manager' |
| 19:45.55 | owen1 | n^: |
| 19:46.03 | n^ | Shutdown: i know, i just checked and noticed the same.. try google |
| 19:46.08 | n^ | owen1: that one |
| 19:46.09 | Juest | i don't see the partitioning option |
| 19:46.18 | owen1 | n^: and 'select and install software' |
| 19:46.30 | n^ | owen1: not that one yet |
| 19:46.35 | Juest | ... |
| 19:46.42 | lewis | n^: right. it looks like it dissapeared..i remember earlier i went into the file and use ./sublime_text |
| 19:46.55 | owen1 | n^: do u want me to read all the items on the list? |
| 19:46.57 | n^ | owen1: i do suggest you to use ssh, makes it much easier, you can copy/paste, take screenshots, etc etc |
| 19:47.05 | Juest | i just started install, do i need cd? |
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| 19:47.17 | Juest | hey |
| 19:47.18 | owen1 | n^: sure. do u want me to ssh to my box? |
| 19:47.22 | Shutdown | n^: anyway, thanks for the help |
| 19:47.27 | Juest | guys |
| 19:47.35 | pato83 | owen1: just do configure package manager as n^ suggested. |
| 19:47.56 | owen1 | pato83: oh. i didn't realize he said it |
| 19:47.57 | Juest | do i need the cd for netinst? |
| 19:48.04 | pato83 | owen1: it is where you can choose netwrok mirrors to use. |
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| 19:48.18 | owen1 | pato83: u'r saying to click on 'cofigure the package manager'? |
| 19:48.40 | Juest | What the best mirror i can use? i live in Argentina |
| 19:48.42 | n^ | owen1: yes, go to configure the package manager |
| 19:48.42 | pato83 | owen1: click or press the enter, it wont bite you. :) |
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| 19:48.54 | owen1 | pato83: when i go there i see: this step depends on the following step: 'install the base system' |
| 19:49.07 | n^ | pato83: i got bitten once by the installer |
| 19:49.08 | owen1 | pato83: so finish the 'base system' first, right? |
| 19:49.12 | Juest | anyone? please |
| 19:49.20 | pato83 | owen1: yes, exactly. |
| 19:49.24 | n^ | Juest: stop spamming, mañoso |
| 19:49.40 | Juest | n^: then, can answer |
| 19:49.42 | Juest | ? |
| 19:49.43 | owen1 | pato83: ok. installing base system (with no kernel, i guess) |
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| 19:50.20 | pato83 | Juest: you dont need cd as a medium, you can use usb stick for example. |
| 19:50.41 | Juest | well, i mean do i need a physical media? |
| 19:51.03 | n^ | owen1: how did you get that netinst in the usb btw? |
| 19:51.14 | owen1 | n^: it's a usb. yes |
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| 19:51.24 | n^ | but how did you do it? |
| 19:51.24 | Juest | and what the best mirror i can use? i live in Argentina |
| 19:51.33 | Juest | ....... |
| 19:51.34 | owen1 | n^: from ubuntu. i used unetbootin |
| 19:51.39 | Juest | guys |
| 19:51.43 | lewis | n^: any idea why the file dissipated though? |
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| 19:51.56 | n^ | Juest: stop spamming your questions dude, dont make me get an admin |
| 19:52.11 | n^ | lewis: not at all, i got lost, to be honest |
| 19:52.18 | Juest | SO PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME DAMNIT!!!!!!!! |
| 19:52.39 | owen1 | n^: pato83 now when go to 'configure the package manager' i see "an attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from CD failed' continue? |
| 19:52.54 | Juest | n^: i seem to be ignored |
| 19:53.07 | pato83 | owen1: i've never seen such message, but try. |
| 19:53.08 | owen1 | hitting continue ask me to use a network mirror. yes/no |
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| 19:53.34 | Juest | n^ |
| 19:53.35 | pato83 | owen1: see, that is great, so choose one for you and install the kernel. |
| 19:53.48 | owen1 | pato83: ok. hitting 'yes' |
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| 19:54.06 | owen1 | no proxy, i hope |
| 19:54.17 | owen1 | i chose the us |
| 19:54.17 | Juest | guys! |
| 19:54.34 | pato83 | owen1: feel free to choose any |
| 19:54.35 | owen1 | Juest: just pick a mirror |
| 19:55.06 | Juest | i just want to know if i require a medium to do netinst |
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| 19:55.23 | owen1 | pato83: ok. it's installing software. should i go back when it's done to the step that warned me about no kernel? |
| 19:55.24 | n^ | geez dude, try it yourself and see |
| 19:55.44 | pato83 | owen1: no, dont do that, just install the kernel. |
| 19:55.47 | Juest | I HAVE QUESTIONS AND I SEEM TO BE IGNORED! THAT'S THE QUESTION SPAM REASON n^ |
| 19:55.56 | LtL | Juest: yes you need the netinstall iso on bootable media |
| 19:56.11 | n^ | abrotman: ping |
| 19:56.15 | owen1 | it asked me for software. i only need ssh and standard. |
| 19:56.29 | Juest | Thanks |
| 19:56.30 | pato83 | owen1: you need KERNEL !! |
| 19:56.35 | LtL | Juest: i suggest cd1 but thats me |
| 19:56.38 | owen1 | pato83: what do u mean by 'install the kernel'? |
| 19:56.44 | digdilem | fs, is he still going? |
| 19:57.01 | Juest | and what mirror i should use? im in Argentina and have not so sucky internet |
| 19:57.06 | Juest | LtL ^ |
| 19:57.09 | owen1 | pato83: i see checkboxes. file server, mail server, etc |
| 19:57.10 | n^ | i havent been here in forever, dont remember whos an admin lol |
| 19:57.13 | lewis | Juest[##linux] that noob you are lewis? (a few hours back) - I return you the question |
| 19:57.17 | owen1 | pato83: nothing about kernel. |
| 19:57.28 | LtL | Juest: you can google debian mirrors and take your pick |
| 19:57.29 | n^ | owen1: thats the tasksel thingy, i think youve gone too far |
| 19:57.42 | owen1 | n^: too far? |
| 19:57.50 | n^ | yes |
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| 19:57.55 | Juest | n^: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
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| 19:58.07 | owen1 | n^: i am in 'configure the package manager' |
| 19:58.11 | lewis | lol |
| 19:58.47 | n^ | owen1: when i get stuck like you are now, i usually start over |
| 19:58.58 | Juest | LtL: but idk what's a good mirror i can use, i had slow connection with cdn.debian.net |
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| 19:59.11 | fairway | openssl s_client -crlf -connect 192.168.0.36:465 |
| 19:59.12 | fairway | connect: Connection refused |
| 19:59.12 | fairway | connect:errno=61 |
| 19:59.15 | fairway | hey all |
| 19:59.19 | fairway | it means TLS cannot work? |
| 19:59.26 | owen1 | n^: should i remove the content of the usb and just put the iso file instead? |
| 19:59.45 | xand | fairway: that means there is nothing listening on port 465 |
| 19:59.56 | n^ | owen1: maybe the usb doesnt have the kernel.. what does ls <path to usb> say? |
| 19:59.59 | LtL | Juest: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list # pick one close to you. |
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| 20:01.38 | lewis | is there a recycling bin folder concept in unix system |
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| 20:01.52 | n^ | lewis: yes there is |
| 20:01.55 | Juest | :O, no primary mirror in Argentina |
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| 20:02.12 | lewis | n^: I tried /root/.Trash |
| 20:02.16 | n^ | Juest: use the uba one |
| 20:02.26 | LtL | Juest: so i'm guessing you need to pick another! |
| 20:02.53 | Juest | n^: which is? |
| 20:02.54 | pato83 | owen1: n^ might be right about starting over, but if base system is installed you should be able to chroot /target and use apt-get install linux-image-amd64 and than back to instalator and finish it with installing grub. |
| 20:03.00 | n^ | but hey, if he has been stuck 20 minutes considering which mirror to use, i dont wanna be him while choosing how to partition! |
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| 20:03.06 | owen1 | n1x0n: autorun.inf, css, dists, doc, g2ldr, g2ltr.mbr, install, install.amd, isolinux, md5sum.txt, menu.c32, pics, pool, setup.exe, syslinux.cfg, tools, ubnfile1.txt, ubninit, ubnkern, ubnpath1.txt, win32-loader.ini |
| 20:03.28 | fairway | strange. what port does exim4 listen then for TLS? |
| 20:03.33 | owen1 | n^: ^ |
| 20:03.34 | n^ | win32-loader.ini? huh? |
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| 20:03.53 | n^ | do you have a windows partition there? |
| 20:03.59 | epsilon | fairway: smtp? 25 |
| 20:04.03 | n^ | working partition* |
| 20:04.07 | owen1 | n^: i don't know |
| 20:04.08 | Juest | n^: which is uba one? |
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| 20:04.34 | n^ | Juest: ffs dude, stop asking questions and pick a damn server already, daaaaaaamn |
| 20:05.21 | n^ | owen1: i mean in the pc you are installing in |
| 20:05.49 | LtL | Juest: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 20:06.00 | owen1 | n^: i got it from our helpdesk. i don't know if it has windows partition. probably not. |
| 20:06.05 | Juest | oh |
| 20:06.07 | Juest | lol |
| 20:06.24 | owen1 | they were happy i want linux since thay don't need to install windows. |
| 20:06.39 | Juest | owen1: go patitioning, what you see there? |
| 20:06.46 | n^ | owen1: i dont know much about doing that.. but the installer doesnt seem to be complete |
| 20:07.45 | fairway | epsilon: I think tls should run on 485 |
| 20:07.50 | fairway | sorry 465 |
| 20:08.00 | fairway | tls_on_connect_ports = 465 |
| 20:08.02 | owen1 | n^: i tried installing twice and had the same 'kernel' error so not sure what to try next. |
| 20:08.51 | owen1 | pato83: do i think i should try removing the content of the usb and just putting there the iso file? |
| 20:08.52 | n^ | owen1: these are the contents of my puppy linux usb live.. http://pastebin.com/iqXCYPcd |
| 20:09.10 | n^ | i dont think your usb has the capabilities necessary to run the installer smoothly |
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| 20:09.23 | n^ | you should have initrd.gz and vmlinuz |
| 20:09.36 | n^ | i believe vmlinuz is the temporary kernel it uses, but im not sure |
| 20:09.50 | Juest | owen1: try doibg integrity check |
| 20:09.53 | epsilon | fairway: that too, but starttls works also via 25 |
| 20:09.55 | fairway | but on my iPhone it says SMTP port 587 |
| 20:09.56 | owen1 | n^: pato83 told me i can put the iso file there and debian will understand what to do with it. |
| 20:09.56 | Juest | doing* |
| 20:10.06 | owen1 | Juest: how? |
| 20:10.21 | n^ | owen1: in theory, yes.. i never got it to work though |
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| 20:10.27 | Juest | Check cd integrity option |
| 20:10.30 | n^ | might be because my hardware is quite old |
| 20:10.38 | Juest | maybe is expert only option |
| 20:10.39 | owen1 | justin_: i run md5 on the iso |
| 20:10.45 | Juest | try expert mode |
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| 20:12.06 | owen1 | i see MD5 (debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso) = 00585d63f8a560a73540bd718263319a |
| 20:12.16 | owen1 | not sure what to do with it |
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| 20:12.45 | owen1 | that's the command i run: md5 debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:13.33 | n^ | md5sum <filename> |
| 20:13.41 | n^ | then compare to the one in the mirror |
| 20:13.59 | n^ | if they are the same, the file is the same |
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| 20:14.12 | pato83 | owen1: dd if=netinstall.iso of=/dev/usb_device bs=512 |
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| 20:14.17 | owen1 | n^: whare is the mirrored ? |
| 20:14.37 | owen1 | pato83: what are u talking about? |
| 20:14.40 | pato83 | owen1: i always do it this way. CD can not be updated. |
| 20:14.42 | Juest | should i use ext4 or 3? |
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| 20:14.56 | Juest | .... |
| 20:15.08 | pato83 | owen1: well, how to put netinstall on usb stick and install debian from it |
| 20:15.15 | LtL | Juest: ext3 unless your are the adventurous type |
| 20:15.45 | graham1 | how do i list all users that have an account on my debian squeeze box? |
| 20:15.54 | Juest | LtL: lol? why not ext4? |
| 20:15.58 | owen1 | pato83: i still don't understand what are the actions i should take. is that a command i can enter somewhere? |
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| 20:16.05 | Juest | graham1: basic linux: users |
| 20:16.14 | owen1 | or is it part of a config file i can tweak? |
| 20:16.15 | n^ | owen1: dd is a command to copy everything from a source to a destination.. and i mean EVERYTHING |
| 20:16.17 | Juest | well, idk |
| 20:16.22 | LtL | graham1: cat /etc/passwd |
| 20:16.30 | pato83 | owen1: 1. download netinstall (done as i can see) |
| 20:16.33 | Juest | graham1: ^^ |
| 20:16.53 | n^ | owen1: md5 is something you use only to check the integrity of downloaded files |
| 20:16.55 | owen1 | pato83: the iso, right? |
| 20:17.01 | graham1 | why cant transmission daemon write torrents to a particular directory anymore? any quickfix? |
| 20:17.04 | pato83 | owen1: yes |
| 20:17.08 | n^ | its not necessary, but its useful |
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| 20:17.12 | Juest | umm, what's better? ext3 or 4 and why? |
| 20:17.14 | owen1 | pato83: ok. got it |
| 20:17.22 | graham1 | yesterday i noticed that "user" couldn't delete files from a particular directory. some dirs were deletable, some werent |
| 20:17.30 | owen1 | pato83: wrost case, i can install from cd |
| 20:17.33 | Juest | LtL |
| 20:17.35 | owen1 | worst |
| 20:17.39 | pato83 | owen1: of course. :) |
| 20:17.47 | graham1 | so i did a chmod -R 700 /home/user; chown -R user:user /home/user |
| 20:17.52 | n^ | graham1: sounds like permissions issues |
| 20:17.54 | pato83 | owen1: but this is better and more eco friendly. :) |
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| 20:17.59 | graham1 | would this affect transmission daemons write access? |
| 20:18.07 | owen1 | pato83: so what's next? i got the iso. |
| 20:18.26 | Juest | umm |
| 20:18.31 | n^ | graham1: most likely, if the daemon runs on other user than user, it wont be able to write |
| 20:18.36 | pato83 | owen1: 2. choose usb stick and make sure there no data you would ever need. dd will overwrite everyting as n^ has mentioned. |
| 20:18.40 | LtL | graham1: yes that only gives access to the owner |
| 20:19.02 | Juest | LtL: what's better? ext3 or 4 and why? |
| 20:19.07 | n^ | graham1: `ps aux | grep transmission` will tell you which user is running the daemon |
| 20:19.20 | pato83 | 3. connect usb stick to you computer |
| 20:19.34 | pato83 | owen1: 3.^ |
| 20:19.44 | LtL | Juest: i never used ext4 some say its better, its not perfect, ext3 is proven to be good |
| 20:19.47 | Juest | guys, Which linux fs is better? |
| 20:19.51 | graham1 | thanks. root seems to be running transmission. |
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| 20:20.14 | owen1 | pato83: i am on a mac, btw |
| 20:20.18 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions mediatomb |
| 20:20.19 | judd | Package: mediatomb on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.0-3; squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-6.1; sid: 0.12.1-4; wheezy: 0.12.1-4 |
| 20:20.34 | damaxus | Juest: btrfs |
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| 20:20.41 | graham1 | surely if transmission is running as root, then the transmission user should be able to write to /home/user ? i guess not though |
| 20:20.52 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions ltsp |
| 20:20.53 | judd | No package named 'ltsp' was found in i386. |
| 20:20.55 | Juest | damaxus: Why? |
| 20:20.56 | Losowski | Juest: ext4 |
| 20:21.04 | graham1 | i dont have time to rtm atm :/ whats the quick fix to let transmission daemon write to /home/user ? |
| 20:21.13 | pato83 | owen1: I dont see any problem, if there is dd, which is indeed. |
| 20:21.15 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions ltsp-server |
| 20:21.16 | judd | Package: ltsp-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.1.10-2; lenny-backports: 5.2.4-2~bpo50+2; squeeze: 5.2.4-2; sid: 5.4.2-2; wheezy: 5.4.2-2 |
| 20:21.28 | Juest | which fs is the best and why? |
| 20:21.35 | damaxus | google.com |
| 20:21.39 | owen1 | pato83: pato83 ok. do i neeed to move the iso file into the empty usb? |
| 20:22.04 | Pnoexz | owen1: i feel your pain, ive just dealt for 3 days with the installer myself.. i wish you the best luck with it |
| 20:22.09 | Pnoexz | see you guys later |
| 20:22.10 | LtL | Juest: your questions should have been asked and researched before you began the install. |
| 20:22.12 | Juest | should i enable user_xattr? |
| 20:22.18 | owen1 | Pnoexz: (: |
| 20:22.19 | Juest | LtL: ok |
| 20:22.21 | pato83 | owen1: 4. find out which device in /dev/ represents your usb stick . |
| 20:22.22 | Juest | ... |
| 20:22.27 | Juest | and? |
| 20:22.37 | jhutchins_wk | !tell owen1 about ig |
| 20:22.45 | jhutchins_wk | owen1: You really should read the install guide. |
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| 20:23.19 | Pnoexz | LtL: dont say that man, its uncool.. as somebody needing help it is very frustrating to hear that |
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| 20:23.23 | Pnoexz | but well, he deserves it |
| 20:23.26 | jhutchins_wk | owen1: Pnoexz could probably have saved his 3 days of pain if he had. |
| 20:23.53 | pato83 | owen1: 5. when you find out, than you can run dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/device bs=512k |
| 20:24.18 | pato83 | owen1: i will be back in couple of minutes. |
| 20:24.19 | graham1 | so i did a chmod -R 700 /home/user; chown -R user:user /home/user ... how do i make it so that transmission daemon (which runs as root) is able to write to that directory? |
| 20:24.40 | graham1 | because that seems to have broken transmissions write access, since im guessing that only user can write to user now..not even root?! |
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| 20:24.58 | Pnoexz | jhutchins_wk: well, not really.. to sumarize.. cancelled download of extra packages, had to start again.. then installed with usb on which was taken as sda and my hd on sdb.. everything went downhill from there.. i am familiar with the ig, but stuff happens |
| 20:25.22 | Juest | guys, which is the best fs and why? |
| 20:25.29 | Pnoexz | not to mention i was mourning over the loss of an HD |
| 20:25.31 | grothendieck | graham1: chmod 755 /home/user |
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| 20:25.52 | grothendieck | Juest: depends on your needs... |
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| 20:25.55 | roboman2444 | what is up now... |
| 20:25.56 | grothendieck | ext3 is good |
| 20:26.02 | roboman2444 | did an apt-get upgrade |
| 20:26.08 | roboman2444 | which upgraded xserver |
| 20:26.11 | confusid | is there a way to turn off video buffering from the getgo of a boot? |
| 20:26.13 | grothendieck | reiserfs is good |
| 20:26.15 | roboman2444 | and now shiz dun work |
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| 20:26.23 | roboman2444 | X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) |
| 20:26.23 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.23 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.23 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.23 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.24 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:26.27 | Juest | grothendieck: i just want a great fs with no bad cons |
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| 20:26.36 | damaxus | Juest: go troll somewhere else. |
| 20:26.36 | owen1 | pato83: /dev/disk1s1 on /Volumes/Untitled (msdos, local, nodev, nosuid, noowners) |
| 20:26.46 | roboman2444 | no im serious |
| 20:26.49 | roboman2444 | whats up with that? |
| 20:26.56 | Juest | damaxus: im not trolling, seriously |
| 20:27.05 | grothendieck | just use ext3 |
| 20:27.08 | damaxus | ^ |
| 20:27.17 | grothendieck | that's a ridiculous question |
| 20:27.18 | Juest | Ok.. |
| 20:27.27 | jhutchins_wk | Juest: They all have their own advantages. Stick with the default ext3 if you don't know why you want somethign else. |
| 20:27.33 | Juest | lol grothendieck, why it's? |
| 20:27.36 | dondelelcaro | Juest: if you don't know which filesystem, use ext3 or ext4. Otherwise, test them. The right filesystem depends on exactly what you're doing. |
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| 20:28.02 | grothendieck | because that's like asking "what is the best car" |
| 20:28.05 | Juest | ah thanks for the best real answer |
| 20:28.17 | shakezula | by the way, what's the best car? |
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| 20:28.23 | pato83 | owen1: dd if=/path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=512k |
| 20:28.25 | graham1 | chmod 755 didn't help |
| 20:28.27 | graham1 | still permission denied |
| 20:28.28 | damaxus | tata nano, of course |
| 20:28.29 | grothendieck | the answer will be different if you live in a city or on a farm.. |
| 20:28.36 | damaxus | for everyone everywhere |
| 20:28.38 | damaxus | all the time |
| 20:28.39 | pato83 | owen1: are you realy sure that disk1 is usb stick ? |
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| 20:29.00 | Juest | my needs are just use and have little cons, i just don't care much, just performance and stability and support |
| 20:29.03 | owen1 | pato83: /volumes/untitled is my usb |
| 20:29.05 | owen1 | yes |
| 20:29.10 | pato83 | owen1: you MUST be 100% sure, if it is your system disk, you will break your system. I mean mac. |
| 20:29.17 | grothendieck | what do you consider to be a con |
| 20:29.28 | grothendieck | you should ask a more specific question |
| 20:29.32 | fairway | giving up exim4 SMTP auth with iPhone 4S |
| 20:29.35 | grothendieck | to get a more reasonbale answer |
| 20:29.36 | grothendieck | but honestly |
| 20:29.38 | pato83 | owen1: so just what i wrote earlier. i gotto go. |
| 20:29.39 | grothendieck | ext3 |
| 20:29.44 | grothendieck | do your own homework and ask more about file systems |
| 20:29.50 | roboman2444 | so, nobody has an idea why my xserver update broke glx? |
| 20:29.52 | owen1 | pato83: yeah |
| 20:29.56 | grothendieck | I Will be happy to discuss them if you know what you are talking about |
| 20:30.02 | owen1 | pato83: and after the dd, what's next? |
| 20:30.28 | Juest | grothendieck: something like lacking support, or low performance, can make errors,etc |
| 20:30.39 | grothendieck | ext3 |
| 20:30.48 | Juest | ;) |
| 20:30.49 | grothendieck | is the default for a reason |
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| 20:31.12 | Juest | for amd c-50 i should use 686 kernel? |
| 20:31.25 | owen1 | pato83: thanks for the help. i can't remember what's my next step ): |
| 20:31.26 | grothendieck | facepalm |
| 20:31.51 | grothendieck | No. Use a 64-bit OS on your 64-bit processor |
| 20:32.02 | Juest | Imma use 2.6.32-5-x86 |
| 20:32.09 | grothendieck | Do whatever you like |
| 20:32.26 | shakezula | good grief, i've read some dumb things on irc in 20 years |
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| 20:32.32 | LtL | Juest: thats a 64 bit chip use amd64 kernel |
| 20:32.47 | grothendieck | Let him use i686 architecture |
| 20:32.51 | grothendieck | Who cares |
| 20:32.58 | grothendieck | I already told him |
| 20:33.00 | Juest | grothendieck: reason im using 32bits: i have only 2gb of memory, and 64-bits eat alot of mem |
| 20:33.01 | LtL | nod, /me hides |
| 20:33.18 | shakezula | ha, sure it does |
| 20:33.29 | shakezula | like pacman eats dots |
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| 20:33.48 | Juest | prefers 32-bits on 64cpu because less memory is required |
| 20:33.53 | grothendieck | gonna do some work til trolling dies down |
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| 20:34.06 | Juest | ... lol |
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| 20:34.14 | Shutdown | i saw my boss using IE yesterday! Sad... |
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| 20:34.18 | lewis | n^: i started it over |
| 20:34.59 | Juest | do i need any extra drivers for my acer ao722-bz454? |
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| 20:35.31 | justin_ | Juest: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 20:36.13 | confusid | <msg> |
| 20:36.23 | graham1 | any ideas why transmission daemon cant write to /home/user/downloads even after doing a chmod 755 /home/user? do i have to specify to all subdirs aswell? |
| 20:36.26 | Juest | to have all keys available, should i use us or us alt international? and what about the dead keys? what the dead keys thing mean? |
| 20:36.32 | owen1 | i try to copy iso into my usb but get: dd: /dev/disk1s1: Resource busy |
| 20:36.35 | owen1 | any tips? |
| 20:36.37 | graham1 | it looks like i do |
| 20:37.07 | justin_ | owen1: eject it first |
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| 20:37.29 | Juest | which layout i should use to have every key available? (characters) |
| 20:37.32 | owen1 | justin_: thanks. but now mount doesn't show it anymore. i guess it's ok? |
| 20:37.50 | justin_ | owen1: in theory. I've never written an image on a mac |
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| 20:38.00 | justin_ | i'm sure there is a nice GUI that does it for you :) |
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| 20:38.09 | roboman2444 | eh hold on, i fixed it |
| 20:38.23 | nsadmin | graham1 ls -ld /home/user/downloads |
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| 20:39.03 | grothendieck | justin_: see the ubuntu help page or whatever for making an ubuntu disk on a mac |
| 20:39.05 | owen1 | justin_: when i eject it i get: dd: /dev/disk1s1: Operation not supported |
| 20:39.07 | grothendieck | you have to use some weird tools |
| 20:39.16 | grothendieck | or owen1 |
| 20:39.21 | grothendieck | I did it a while ago and it worked |
| 20:39.27 | justin_ | yes, owen1 has the mac :) |
| 20:39.27 | grothendieck | just used the debian iso instead of ubuntu |
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| 20:39.58 | owen1 | grothendieck: sudo dd if=/Users/ogolan/Downloads/debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk1s1 |
| 20:39.59 | grothendieck | wrote it to an external hdd |
| 20:40.26 | owen1 | dd: /dev/disk1s1: Resource busy |
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| 20:40.48 | grothendieck | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles#Mac_OS_X |
| 20:40.55 | graham1 | nsadmin: i figured out that change permissions to 755 to /home/user doesn't change it for /home/user/downloads . i did it manually for /home/user/downloads ..but i still have write permission errors. |
| 20:41.17 | grothendieck | follow the ubuntu instructions just use the debian iso |
| 20:41.18 | Juest | Help, installer is crashing |
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| 20:41.34 | lewis | any idea why the symbolic link is not working ? http://pastebin.com/4GXnfHYF - 3 lines |
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| 20:41.51 | grothendieck | graham1: christ -- give chmod the -R flag |
| 20:42.06 | grothendieck | RTFM!! :O |
| 20:42.13 | nsadmin | be very careful with -R |
| 20:42.22 | graham1 | ah, i really was about to say it was something to do with subdirs lol. -R means applies for all dirs right |
| 20:42.23 | grothendieck | HE was already not careful with -R |
| 20:42.25 | grothendieck | :P |
| 20:42.25 | graham1 | i know i will i will lol |
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| 20:42.42 | nsadmin | he didn't use it... |
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| 20:43.03 | nsadmin | btw, I'm probably going to order one of those kbds you suggested |
| 20:43.16 | grothendieck | IIRC he did chmod -R 700 ; chown -R user:user |
| 20:43.33 | grothendieck | to some path and now bt client can't write to files there |
| 20:43.34 | nsadmin | oh, he did? |
| 20:43.35 | grothendieck | nice :) |
| 20:43.38 | nsadmin | I see |
| 20:43.41 | grothendieck | yah see above |
| 20:43.43 | owen1 | grothendieck: bash: unmountDisk: command not found |
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| 20:43.52 | owen1 | grothendieck: oh. sorry |
| 20:43.56 | grothendieck | I am pretty sure there is a mac channel |
| 20:44.11 | owen1 | grothendieck: i forget diskutil |
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| 20:44.13 | grothendieck | ;) |
| 20:44.30 | graham1 | i just did a chmod -R 755 /home/user and t:d still cant write there.. |
| 20:44.48 | grothendieck | reboot |
| 20:45.25 | graham1 | i have to reboot a box to make permission changes apply?! |
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| 20:46.04 | grothendieck | I have no idea |
| 20:46.09 | grothendieck | check the logs for the transmissions |
| 20:46.13 | grothendieck | transmission* |
| 20:46.23 | grothendieck | is it still running |
| 20:46.26 | owen1 | grothendieck: it's doing something.. waiting... |
| 20:46.26 | grothendieck | are there lock files |
| 20:46.37 | grothendieck | what does lsof -D /home/user/whatever tell you |
| 20:46.50 | graham1 | i actually want to find out why a few days ago a bug appeared which meant only /certain/ directories were deletable in /home/user/downloads. previously it was working fine |
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| 20:47.09 | graham1 | thats what let me to the chmod -R 700 ; chown -R user:user workaround, which meant user could delete all directories as he wanted |
| 20:47.20 | graham1 | but now even chmod -R 755 /home/user doesn't fix write acccess for t:d |
| 20:47.23 | graham1 | im rebooting now |
| 20:47.26 | grothendieck | uhh |
| 20:47.33 | grothendieck | ok cool good luck |
| 20:47.34 | owen1 | grothendieck: btw, i saw 2 entries - disk1 and disk1s1 |
| 20:47.44 | owen1 | grothendieck: i chose the first one...i hope it's ok |
| 20:48.15 | grothendieck | disk1s1 is slice one of disk1 |
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| 20:48.18 | grothendieck | its like |
| 20:48.21 | grothendieck | /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 |
| 20:48.26 | owen1 | good. |
| 20:48.32 | graham1 | rebooting hasn't fixed it |
| 20:48.34 | grothendieck | BSD calls partions slices... |
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| 20:48.56 | grothendieck | graham1: ok |
| 20:48.57 | owen1 | i think it's still doing stuff |
| 20:49.05 | grothendieck | lsof -D $path |
| 20:49.08 | grothendieck | tells you what |
| 20:49.09 | pato83 | owen1: it takes a while. |
| 20:49.13 | grothendieck | what files are open...etc |
| 20:49.24 | grothendieck | ps fauwx | grep transmission | grep -v grep |
| 20:49.25 | grothendieck | get pid |
| 20:49.29 | grothendieck | lsof -p $pid |
| 20:49.34 | grothendieck | basic stuff man |
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| 20:50.20 | graham1 | i know. tbh i dont have time to learn much about linux now. i just wanted to get a seedbox running and it was working fine with no problems but then suddenly the sftp permissions messup happened |
| 20:50.22 | grothendieck | if it runs as a daemon under uid 0 then it should be able to read/write |
| 20:50.38 | pato83 | owen1: you could possibly run kill -SIGINFO dd_pid |
| 20:50.51 | pato83 | owen1: in other terminal |
| 20:51.19 | owen1 | pato83: i see a message: 'the disk you inserted was not readable by this computer' |
| 20:51.21 | pato83 | owen1: dd_pid is pid of dd obviously, which you can find out running "ps xau | grep dd" |
| 20:51.24 | elmo_ | Hi. I'm running Debian Stable (mostly, with a few mix-ins from backports and testing). I want to have a more recent Wine than 1.0. What are my options? I tried installing the multiarch wine:i386, and even got it to install (after lots of tinkering), but in the end the ALSA sound module failed to install, because the 64-bit libasound2 conflicts with the libasound2:i386. |
| 20:51.49 | pato83 | owen1: it would show you a progress in copying the image to usb stick |
| 20:52.01 | owen1 | pato83: 176160768 bytes transferred in 322.081586 secs (546945 bytes/sec) |
| 20:52.14 | owen1 | 344064+0 records in. 344064+0 records out |
| 20:52.19 | pato83 | owen1: so you are ready to start installation |
| 20:52.25 | owen1 | pato83: yeah! |
| 20:52.28 | graham1 | 106 365 1.9 2.6 170988 13824 ? Ssl 22:46 0:05 /usr/bin/transmission-daemon --config-dir /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info was the output of that. which one is the pid? |
| 20:52.43 | graham1 | sorry for pre-noob questions |
| 20:52.51 | shakezula | 13824 |
| 20:53.08 | owen1 | inserting it to my desktop |
| 20:53.28 | graham1 | lsof -p $13824 doesn't do anything |
| 20:53.33 | graham1 | has no output |
| 20:54.09 | justin_ | lsof -p 13824 |
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| 20:54.41 | owen1 | pato83:it already look different. blue background instead of white for the installation. it's 'scanning CD-ROM' now. |
| 20:54.50 | graham1 | i tried that too still didn't output anything |
| 20:55.18 | justin_ | oh, yes, well, that's not the PID. |
| 20:55.26 | pato83 | owen1: that is just a theme, but made it with getting the image on usb, which is great. ;) |
| 20:55.27 | justin_ | 365 is the pid |
| 20:55.46 | justin_ | this is why one should use pgrep and not ps + grep |
| 20:56.06 | fairway | (msg dpkg freeze |
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| 20:57.46 | owen1 | pato83: guided partitioning? use entire disk? |
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| 20:59.05 | owen1 | partitioning scheme - all files in one partition |
| 20:59.07 | owen1 | ? |
| 20:59.08 | owen1 | pato83: ^ |
| 21:01.26 | pato83 | owen1: it is purely up to you. |
| 21:01.45 | pato83 | owen1: if you choose guided and use entire disk, it will create 3 partitions |
| 21:01.53 | pato83 | owen1: / /home and swap |
| 21:01.54 | owen1 | ok. wanted to make sure i am doing the right thing. |
| 21:02.06 | pato83 | owen1: if you are happy with that, go for it. |
| 21:04.08 | owen1 | ok. installing base system now. |
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| 21:04.14 | pato83 | owen1: great |
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| 21:07.48 | graham1 | justin: i did a lsof -p 365 and a whole load of things that went over my head appeared! |
| 21:08.02 | justin_ | graham1: what exactly are you trying to do again? |
| 21:08.04 | graham1 | if it helps, user is listed as "transmission-daemon" |
| 21:08.15 | graham1 | im trying to make transmission daemon have write access to /home/user/downloads |
| 21:08.27 | justin_ | graham1: run transmission-daemon as $user |
| 21:08.29 | graham1 | transmission daemon is installed as root afaik. i dont want to resinstall right now |
| 21:08.53 | graham1 | i dont see why i should have to. everything was working fine a few days ago |
| 21:09.16 | justin_ | having a system wide daemon write directly to a users home directory is not sane |
| 21:09.27 | nsadmin | what user is transmission running as? |
| 21:09.31 | graham1 | root |
| 21:09.43 | justin_ | false |
| 21:09.52 | justin_ | the package adds a debian-transmission user |
| 21:10.16 | justin_ | (at least in squeeze) |
| 21:10.21 | joehillen | graham1: I have a downloads group and add debian-transmission to that group |
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| 21:10.56 | graham1 | so how do i let debian-transmission user atleast write to that dir? |
| 21:11.05 | graham1 | i dont understand why it cant be something very simple |
| 21:11.15 | pato83 | owen1: how is it going ? |
| 21:11.18 | justin_ | graham1: it is something very simple |
| 21:11.21 | joehillen | graham1: chmod g+w /path/to/dir |
| 21:11.51 | graham1 | what about -R? not needed there? |
| 21:12.07 | joehillen | graham1: if that's what you want, it is |
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| 21:12.25 | graham1 | -R mean it applies to all subdirs? yes i want that |
| 21:12.35 | graham1 | chmod -R g+w /home/user/ then? |
| 21:12.36 | joehillen | then do that |
| 21:12.47 | joehillen | yikes! |
| 21:12.55 | joehillen | is that really what you want? |
| 21:13.11 | joehillen | I think that will break login if you do that |
| 21:13.26 | graham1 | lmfao |
| 21:13.26 | joehillen | like ssh key auth will fail because of incorrect perms |
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| 21:13.42 | joehillen | etc |
| 21:13.46 | graham1 | i just want t:d to be able to write (in all ways) to /home/user/* (and any subdirs t:d makes) |
| 21:13.58 | justin_ | graham1: no, you don't |
| 21:14.17 | joehillen | yeah, dude just make a new place in the filesystem for downloads |
| 21:14.23 | owen1 | pato83: awesome. booting now |
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| 21:14.53 | graham1 | i did a chmod -R g+w /home/user/ ..permission still denied |
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| 21:15.11 | joehillen | or at least be explicit about which dirs you want it to allow right access |
| 21:15.13 | justin_ | graham1: you need to understand the commands you are running before you run them. |
| 21:15.14 | graham1 | i have made /home/user/downloads .why isn't that good enough? |
| 21:15.15 | joehillen | *write |
| 21:15.38 | graham1 | you are right i need to. but right now im under time pressure unfortunately |
| 21:15.40 | justin_ | graham1: because at no point did you set the permissions to the correct values to accomplish what you want |
| 21:15.50 | joehillen | graham1: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/filepermissions.html |
| 21:15.51 | graham1 | then why was it working fine 5 days ago? |
| 21:15.59 | owen1 | pato83: i see 'loading, please wait' but it takes too much time |
| 21:16.25 | justin_ | graham1: probably because you were running transmission under your user account |
| 21:16.26 | owen1 | pato83: done. |
| 21:16.30 | justin_ | which is what you should be doing |
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| 21:17.03 | owen1 | pato83: going to install xorg and awesomeWM |
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| 21:17.18 | pato83 | owen1: feel free to do anything you like. |
| 21:18.03 | owen1 | pato83: thanks a lot! |
| 21:18.20 | graham1 | i didn't reinstall anything or change any settings. one day user logged into sftp couldn't delete only /certain/ dirs. i made a workaround which simultaenously fixed users write access through sftp , but broke t:ds permissions to write to /home/user/downloads |
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| 21:18.55 | justin_ | graham1: that explains it then. it was working, you did something, and you broke it. What was this "workaround" |
| 21:18.55 | pato83 | owen1: you are welcome. I am glad you made it. |
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| 21:19.34 | graham1 | it doesn't explain it because the only reason i did the wokaround in the first place is because something /randomly/ (without any of my intervention) stopped working |
| 21:19.50 | graham1 | it explains why t:d cant write though sorry |
| 21:19.50 | justin_ | things don't randomly stop working :) |
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| 21:20.20 | graham1 | well thats whats annoying me. i dont understand why certain directories weren't deletable by user, but others were. all inside the /home/user/downloads dir |
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| 21:20.38 | justin_ | graham1: what user? |
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| 21:21.12 | graham1 | user called addamn |
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| 21:21.27 | justin_ | graham1: if you made directories in /home/user/downloads owned by the transmission user, and transmission makes more directories under it, then you can't delete them |
| 21:21.48 | justin_ | because they aren't your directories |
| 21:22.03 | graham1 | then whose are they?! |
| 21:22.11 | joehillen | transmission's! |
| 21:22.34 | joehillen | ls -al /home/user/downloads, dude |
| 21:22.34 | graham1 | then why was user able to previously delete transmissions directories? |
| 21:23.15 | joehillen | he's a fix: sudo rm -rf /home/user |
| 21:23.15 | justin_ | graham1: unless you can state what the premissions where before, and what you did as part of this workaround, no one can answer that |
| 21:24.11 | Losowski | joeDeuce: * |
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| 21:24.23 | Losowski | joeDeuce: Dangerous! |
| 21:24.28 | graham1 | ok forget what caused the problem then. i just want t:d to be able to write obviously , and for user to be able to read/delete/write |
| 21:24.39 | graham1 | write=delete i guess |
| 21:25.15 | joehillen | graham1: then you need to use group permissions |
| 21:25.18 | joehillen | read up! |
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| 21:25.28 | justin_ | graham1: why do you not just run transmission as your user? |
| 21:25.37 | justin_ | graham1: you are making this complicated. |
| 21:25.57 | graham1 | alright i forfeit. i dont see why i have to if it was working fine before |
| 21:25.58 | nsadmin | one question tho... why would "chmod 755 ;" do anything? |
| 21:26.03 | joehillen | justin_: probably because it didn't come installed that way |
| 21:26.05 | graham1 | can you quickly explain why its important anyway? |
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| 21:26.16 | graham1 | good point coz i googled and 755 was execute. dont see how that helps |
| 21:26.24 | justin_ | graham1: because you don't know how file permissions work and you are just running random commands until it works |
| 21:26.38 | justin_ | graham1: and you are going to break it even more if you continue doing so |
| 21:26.45 | joehillen | graham1: RTFM or GTFO! |
| 21:27.08 | nsadmin | joehillen, not helping |
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| 21:27.20 | justin_ | graham1: and because the only thing you need to do to fix this mess is run transmission from the user account where you want the files to go |
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| 21:28.41 | graham1 | i found a lame workaround which doesn't require me to even find out how to run t:d as user |
| 21:28.44 | graham1 | which was chmod a+x testfile |
| 21:28.59 | graham1 | which was chmod a+x /home/user |
| 21:29.00 | justin_ | and I think the only thing you need to do to fix that is edit /etc/default/transmission-daemon and add |
| 21:29.03 | justin_ | USER=whatever |
| 21:29.19 | graham1 | why is my workaround lame? |
| 21:29.31 | justin_ | graham1: do you know what that command does? |
| 21:30.13 | graham1 | apparently it makes write permissions work for 10 seconds then fail |
| 21:30.28 | graham1 | i guess its lame because it means everybody can write there |
| 21:30.30 | graham1 | not just the group |
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| 21:30.34 | justin_ | graham1: that is why it is lame. You are just running random commands and hoping it will fix things |
| 21:31.29 | graham1 | oh wait thats only execute anyway |
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| 21:33.50 | Woet | I have two txt files with words and if a word appears in the second one, I want to remove it from the first one. any clue? |
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| 21:37.05 | themill | Woet: grep -v -F -f foo bar |
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| 21:38.15 | Woet | nice themill, thanks |
| 21:38.23 | themill | (also look at comm(1)) |
| 21:38.36 | veryhappy | Hi Guys, does someone of you know any possibility to use vdr with analog tv and w_scan? |
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| 21:41.03 | grothendieck | #hardware |
| 21:42.10 | graham1 | all adding USER=user did to /etc/default/transmission-daemon was apparently break my ability to connect to it . not sure why. is there another way of running t:d as user? |
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| 21:42.39 | veryhappy | grothendieck: thanks |
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| 21:43.40 | graham1 | anyway im rtming |
| 21:43.49 | graham1 | and it seems like chmod a+wx /home/uesr should work |
| 21:44.27 | graham1 | a+w should work too i think ..fingers crossed |
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| 21:44.53 | LtL | wow, lo and behold, channel #transmission exists, go figure. |
| 21:44.58 | jhutchins_wk | There's still analog TV somewhere? |
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| 21:46.24 | themill | graham1: there is no way that setting those permissions on your home directory is the right thing to do. |
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| 21:48.55 | graham1 | themill: why not? surely that means all users can write to that directory? including t:d? |
| 21:49.10 | graham1 | or do i need to make it apply to all subdirs too? |
| 21:49.21 | themill | all users should not be able to write to your home directory |
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| 21:49.57 | graham1 | its not an issue on this box |
| 21:51.22 | themill | you'll find bits of software will either refuse to work or ignore your config settings if $HOME is writeable like that. |
| 21:51.34 | LtL | graham1: #tranmission just might have your answers. just a suggestion. |
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| 21:52.25 | LtL | graham1: #transmission spelling error excuse me. |
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| 21:53.13 | graham1 | thanks for suggestion |
| 21:53.43 | LtL | graham1: hope you succeed. |
| 21:53.46 | ironm | hello. Hopefully you can give short hint or a link about setting kvm networking on debian wheezy. Thank you in advance. |
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| 21:53.56 | ironm | +me |
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| 21:54.37 | ironm | I am not successful with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking |
| 21:54.40 | somiaj | ironm: you have to build the bridge. I found all the info I needed for /etc/network/interfaces on the debian wiki |
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| 21:55.18 | ironm | somiaj, do you have maybe the link? |
| 21:55.21 | somiaj | that link isn't working for me, so can see why you have trouble |
| 21:55.24 | somiaj | ironm: I used google |
| 21:55.25 | graham1 | ok thanks for tip themill. still dont understand why t:d wouldn't be able to write there anyway? |
| 21:55.28 | ironm | thank you very much |
| 21:55.30 | graham1 | ill do it for /home/user/downloads instead then |
| 21:56.02 | somiaj | ironm: http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Networking |
| 21:56.04 | ironm | somiaj, I have set the bridge .. but I am not able to reach the VM |
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| 21:56.16 | somiaj | ironm: what is the ip on the vm? |
| 21:56.17 | ironm | great .. thanks a lot somiaj :) |
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| 21:56.25 | ironm | 10.0.2.15 |
| 21:56.35 | somiaj | ironm: what happens if you try to ping it, what do you get? |
| 21:56.36 | ironm | the host has 192.168.1.204 |
| 21:56.41 | ironm | no answer |
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| 21:57.13 | ironm | I will check the link you gave me somiaj |
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| 21:57.41 | graham1 | how do i run tranmission daemon as a particular user? its running as root or transmission-daemon at the moment. not sure which. |
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| 21:58.16 | ironm | from this VM I can use firefox for surfing in internet .. but not to get a ping answer from "external" host |
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| 21:59.12 | somiaj | graham1: why do you want it to run as another user. You may have to actually modify the /etc/init.d/ script that starts the daemon |
| 21:59.33 | somiaj | ironm: do you have /etc/resolv.conf set up right on the guest so you can say ping google.com |
| 21:59.34 | graham1 | i dont really /want/ to run it as a user. it just seems to be the solution that people offer |
| 21:59.40 | graham1 | right now all i want to do is let t:d actually write files |
| 22:00.03 | graham1 | im not sure why chmod a+wx /home/uesr wouldn't work. it might be lame but security isn't a big problem on this box |
| 22:01.12 | ironm | somiaj, I can say "ping www.heise.de" and can see it's IP .. however not any ping answer |
| 22:01.45 | ironm | somiaj, my current bridge config looks different than this one in your link |
| 22:02.09 | somiaj | ironm: well can your host ping that site and hear back? Just make sure that it isn't the site you picked drops pings |
| 22:02.27 | somiaj | but yea it could be a routing issue then if packets are not returning correctly |
| 22:02.38 | pclov3r | what was your question? |
| 22:02.41 | pclov3r | maybe i can pitch in |
| 22:03.06 | ironm | somiaj, I am getting ping answers (on the host .. from www.heise.de ) |
| 22:03.32 | ironm | somiaj, I use the following live image for my test: http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/.databases/live-wheezy-amd64-lxde-public-databases-20121016.iso |
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| 22:04.13 | ironm | somiaj, there is kvm installed and I can run VMs ... only the network setting doesn't work as I expect |
| 22:05.09 | graham1 | [22:59] <somiaj> graham1: why do you want it to run as another user. You may have to actually modify the /etc/init.d/ script that starts the daemon |
| 22:05.28 | graham1 | where is this init.d script? doesn't seem to exist here |
| 22:06.31 | pclov3r | arent all the init.d scripts in /etc/init.d? |
| 22:06.32 | lasers | /etc/init.d/trans* |
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| 22:07.23 | ded | Where can I find the source code for the `column` command used in debian? |
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| 22:09.54 | wooster | if i build a more recent version of a package, how can i tell debian to not try and install the package? |
| 22:10.06 | graham1 | ok i have changed init.d script to user instead of the default "transmission-daemon" |
| 22:10.17 | graham1 | firstly, a ps fauwx | grep transmission | grep -v grep as root doesn't output anything |
| 22:10.18 | wooster | i want to install glew which requires mesa, i built mesa from source and installed it, i don't want to install the debian mesa |
| 22:10.24 | wooster | but i want to install debian glew |
| 22:12.18 | graham1 | how do i know if tranmission is running at all? surely if i change the init.d script to run as "user" instead of "transmission-daemon", and then do a /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon start ...transmission should start? |
| 22:12.21 | graham1 | (im logged in as root) |
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| 22:14.21 | pclov3r | lm_sensors wont show me my core temps. |
| 22:14.34 | pclov3r | I had to compile a custom mod to get it working but i guess it doesn't support that? |
| 22:14.49 | nsadmin | rather than start the daemon using the init.d script, you might write your own script which you would run as you (not root) which would start it |
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| 22:15.37 | graham1 | right now instead of automating things i just want 1) transmission to work 2) transmission to be able to write ...just as before |
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| 22:15.58 | graham1 | how do i even know if transmission is technically running? im guessing it isn't because i cant connect to it |
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| 22:16.12 | graham1 | and ps fauwx | grep transmission | grep -v grep doesn't output anything |
| 22:16.13 | lasers | graham1: "pgrep trans" |
| 22:16.28 | lasers | graham1: Nothing turns up? It's not running. |
| 22:16.34 | graham1 | so how do i start it? |
| 22:16.55 | lasers | graham1: "sudo /etc/init.d/trans<tab-complete> start" |
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| 22:17.20 | lasers | "sudo service trans<tab-complete> start" can work too. |
| 22:17.45 | graham1 | i did it without the sudo, and it worked |
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| 22:18.02 | graham1 | but pgrep trans shows up with nothing |
| 22:18.11 | graham1 | so it looks like its still not running? |
| 22:18.36 | lasers | graham1: Install htop so you can get better idea of all running processes. |
| 22:20.16 | graham1 | i dont want to install anything else right now . how do i just really simply find out if t:D is running or not |
| 22:21.04 | graham1 | why would pgrep trans not output anything, but it actually be mystically running in the background? |
| 22:21.44 | nsadmin | you could just browse thru ps aux | more |
| 22:21.51 | lasers | graham1: if "pgrep trans" or "ps aux | grep transmission" does not display anything -- then it's not running. |
| 22:22.23 | graham1 | the latter displays: root 807 0.0 0.1 7552 828 pts/0 S+ 00:22 0:00 grep transmission |
| 22:22.26 | graham1 | wth does that mean? :/ |
| 22:22.34 | nsadmin | the process is the grep |
| 22:23.13 | joeDeuce | Losowski: long time no see |
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| 22:23.27 | graham1 | so my priority right now is to get transmission to start |
| 22:23.43 | Losowski | Hey joeDeuce ! |
| 22:23.44 | graham1 | Starting bittorrent daemon: transmission-daemon seems to be a lie |
| 22:24.04 | nsadmin | graham1, ps lists the processes that are going on in the machine... if you tell it you want all processes, what you get is -everything- the machine is doing, granulated by these units called "processes" |
| 22:24.08 | pclov3r | whats the package name for mono? |
| 22:25.14 | graham1 | could it be because im typing "/etc/init.d/transmission-daemon start" while logged in as "root", while init.d specifies it shold run as "user"? |
| 22:25.56 | lasers | graham1: No. |
| 22:26.19 | nsadmin | graham1, one extreme action you may wish to consider is reinstalling debian... this is definitely an extreme action and as such should be considered carefully |
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| 22:27.40 | lasers | Purge transmission-daemon and reinstall. Start again. You did something baddddd. |
| 22:29.13 | nvz_ | one thing I dont understand about this drive is, how I can view say a certain photo that won't copy and I can even script imagemagick to load them and save them on another disk but I cant copy them.. heh |
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| 22:30.10 | nvz_ | you'd think if it was too fubar to copy the file you can't do this |
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| 22:30.49 | graham1 | all i did to change transmission from connectable but not able to write to /home/user was change USER= in /etc/init.d/trans* |
| 22:31.11 | graham1 | but i cant remember what it was before now |
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| 22:31.38 | graham1 | i still cant find a straight answer to why chmod -R a+wx /home/user wont fix transmissions problem of not being able to write there? |
| 22:31.50 | graham1 | i dont care if its a lame solution |
| 22:32.00 | graham1 | anyway right now i want to get transmission running again without reinstalling. just for the sake of it |
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| 22:33.59 | dondelelcaro | graham1: it may fix the problem, but you'll cause yourself a few hundred others. |
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| 22:40.58 | Shylow | is it okay to install debian 7? |
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| 22:41.24 | ratcheer | Shylow: Sure |
| 22:41.53 | Shylow | even though it says alpha? |
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| 22:42.17 | lasers | Shylow: Backups. Make them first. |
| 22:42.27 | Shylow | i messed up my server lol |
| 22:42.32 | Shylow | i need to reinstall :( |
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| 22:46.53 | nsadmin | Shylow, there is not yet a debian 7 released... what there is, is "testing" which is presently "wheezy" which when released will be debian 7 |
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| 22:47.22 | Shylow | so just grab 6.0 then |
| 22:47.31 | nsadmin | also wheezy is presently frozen to shake out final bugs |
| 22:48.30 | nsadmin | Shylow, 6.0 has been released as the present 'stable" release of debian |
| 22:49.34 | Shylow | cant believe i just forked my system :( |
| 22:49.39 | Shylow | 258days without errors :( |
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| 22:50.52 | engla | aww |
| 22:51.19 | nsadmin | you might want to consider what you want in a dist |
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| 22:51.51 | Shylow | Debain is great for me :) |
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| 23:30.27 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, can anyone tell me how to rsync a sparse file' |
| 23:30.28 | PhoenixSTF | ?? |
| 23:31.05 | nsadmin | you must mean something beyond that |
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| 23:31.26 | nsadmin | otherwise the answer is "just like any other file" |
| 23:33.53 | PhoenixSTF | if i do it like any other file, ie. the sparse file has only 1Gb, but it can be 100Gb, so rsync wont copy 1Gb, it will copy 100Gb |
| 23:34.12 | PhoenixSTF | and the --sparse wont fix the issue |
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| 23:34.51 | nsadmin | plus, anything beyond that probably means looking at something about the file to determine if and how it is "sparse" in order to produce a sparse file on the other side |
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| 23:36.30 | nsadmin | so rsync has --sparse? |
| 23:36.37 | PhoenixSTF | yes |
| 23:36.47 | PhoenixSTF | or -S |
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| 23:37.21 | nsadmin | ok, the first thing to do if you haven't already is check the man page for the exact details of --sparse |
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| 23:39.17 | PhoenixSTF | nothing explicit on man pae |
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| 23:42.20 | Cyclohexane | how could i check connectivity to another server on a specific port? |
| 23:42.36 | bakanek0 | Cyclohexane: telnet lol |
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| 23:42.44 | nsadmin | ok, how is it you can have a sparse file stored where it is now? |
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| 23:43.27 | Juest | help, i had troubles with install, cd error, and now arch not supported |
| 23:43.42 | bakanek0 | Cyclohexane: telnet example.com 4209 |
| 23:44.01 | Juest | it worked before.... |
| 23:44.04 | Cyclohexane | bakanek0: yeah I get you :p |
| 23:44.13 | nsadmin | worked before what? |
| 23:45.03 | bakanek0 | guys, btw I'm writing a new irc client with twisted |
| 23:45.22 | PhoenixSTF | buy |
| 23:45.25 | bakanek0 | but it's kinda doesn't work ok |
| 23:45.37 | Juest | nsadmin: i had troubles with install, cd error, and now arch not supported <- this |
| 23:46.03 | bakanek0 | so if you may want to join, you can do this RIGHT NOW |
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| 23:46.14 | bakanek0 | you HAVE TO DO THIS |
| 23:46.19 | Juest | wtf |
| 23:46.36 | bakanek0 | you MUST JOIN MY DEVELOPEMENTS |
| 23:46.52 | Juest | Why is so hard to help me? |
| 23:47.15 | bakanek0 | https://bitbucket.org/magic_cookie/twisted-irc-client |
| 23:47.17 | nsadmin | because you are not being specific about any of your issues |
| 23:47.18 | bakanek0 | here it is |
| 23:47.52 | Juest | using net install |
| 23:48.05 | Juest | and cmon it's common sense! |
| 23:48.12 | bakanek0 | Juest: it's better to use unetbootin |
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| 23:48.38 | Juest | wtf |
| 23:48.41 | bakanek0 | Juest: it will download debian automatically |
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| 23:49.11 | bakanek0 | and will create a bootable image on your flashstick |
| 23:49.20 | nsadmin | Juest. you can drop the requirement that it be "common sense" because it's not |
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| 23:50.12 | Armand | Personally, I find there is very little I would regard as "common sense" in the IT field... |
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| 23:50.38 | BrickViking | quick question. I'm at the debian installer for wheezy. It just asked me if I wanted popularity-contest installed, I told it no. |
| 23:50.44 | BrickViking | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.48 | BrickViking | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:51.15 | zhvtar | Armand: agreed |
| 23:51.50 | Armand | BrickViking, It's not a requirement. :) |
| 23:52.25 | nsadmin | he just needs to give more details... he started in his first comment, he should continue with more and more and more information |
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| 23:52.54 | nsadmin | that is the part that could be considered common sense :) |
| 23:53.13 | BrickViking | Armand: My point is, if I say "no" to something, then the installer should NOT install it. Principle of least surprise. |
| 23:53.25 | Armand | OOoohhhhh.... sorry.. |
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| 23:53.42 | Armand | My bad.. I thought you meant 'installed the OS' |
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| 23:53.45 | Armand | -_- |
| 23:53.49 | calrogman | man, i remember being good at solving problems |
| 23:53.54 | BrickViking | I'm part way through installing it now. |
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| 23:54.25 | BrickViking | (the OS, that is) |
| 23:54.32 | calrogman | i'm a novice (at best) with C, but i decided i needed something that would take a string, perform a substitution cipher against it, then print it back out |
| 23:54.39 | nsadmin | BrickViking, since you've said no, it will probably install the package but not connect it |
| 23:54.43 | Armand | Is it even a package?? I have no idea, to be honest.. I thought it was just a stats gathering thing. |
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| 23:55.00 | BrickViking | It's a package that does stats collecting. |
| 23:55.03 | calrogman | so i wrote a substitution function that took a character, did a big switch-case against it, then returned a different character |
| 23:55.08 | BrickViking | nsadmin: how do you mean, not connect it? |
| 23:55.10 | calrogman | the function was 186 lines long |
| 23:55.18 | nsadmin | it is a package, yes; debian delivers all software as packages |
| 23:55.19 | BrickViking | nsadmin: as in, don't set a server in the config? |
| 23:55.25 | calrogman | i rewrote it today with two arrays and a seven line function |
| 23:55.29 | Armand | I opted for 'No' too.... and just forgot about it. :P |
| 23:55.35 | nsadmin | BrickViking, right |
| 23:55.42 | nsadmin | and, you can uninstall it later |
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| 23:56.49 | calrogman | on the upside, i got to use vim's visual mode which made me feel much better about my obvious inadequacies |
| 23:57.42 | nsadmin | s/inadequacies/attributes/ |
| 23:57.47 | KsM | dmesg is full of these [ http://paste.debian.net/201988/ ] and I sometimes have my trackpad doing weird things like making right clicking and entering text (sometimes text that's not even in my clipboard, but somehow "pasted" over from another program) |
| 23:57.59 | KsM | making right clicks* |
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| 23:59.08 | KsM | my syslog is filled entirely with those messages too; Oct 19 17:58:50 core kernel: [17892.036866] evbug: Event. Dev: input0, Type: 1, Code: 34, Value: 0 |
| 23:59.28 | Juest | uhhhh, i don't like to be VERY specific, that's why |
| 23:59.33 | Cyclohexane | KsM: check for driver updates? |
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| 23:59.42 | Juest | begin with the obvious |
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| 23:59.49 | nsadmin | Juest, can't deal with that. |
| 23:59.59 | Juest | Why not? |