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| 00:01.43 | phogg | abrotman: I blame xchat and its crazy tab completion policy |
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| 00:06.02 | abrotman | phogg: the default you mean? it supports both |
| 00:06.25 | squisher | Hi folks, I'm having some issues with acl and fakeroot to build debian packages. Does anyone by chance have a clue? |
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| 00:07.43 | phogg | abrotman: defaults are powerful, and it defaults to stupid mode |
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| 00:10.02 | abrotman | phogg: file a bug on the debian package to default to the other one? |
| 00:11.19 | nsadmin | phogg, I'd rather have how the shell does completion... |
| 00:11.43 | abrotman | that'd be annoying in a large channel possibly |
| 00:11.50 | phogg | not really |
| 00:12.02 | abrotman | hit 'r'<tab> a few times .. |
| 00:13.02 | phogg | Just did, instantly responds with 4 lines of text |
| 00:13.10 | phogg | in an 80char terminal it would be an issue, sure |
| 00:13.27 | abrotman | or on a mobile |
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| 00:14.14 | phogg | the alternative is to choose one and complete it as if it were the only result, which is unexpected behavior if you are familiar with tab completion elsewhere, and that choice is based on either (1) alphabetical order (2) recent activity |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | phogg: i'm sure you and nsadmin can code a patch and submit it |
| 00:14.57 | phogg | not necessary to patch it, just edit the config file |
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| 00:15.54 | nsadmin | I didn't mean that part... I meant how it will stop just before the end of the common keystrokes so you can fill it in... I think if someone wants a list, that should be a different keystroke |
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| 00:16.31 | phogg | the funny part of xchat is that for channels with a lot of users if you set completion_amount to 0 the CPU cost to build the list is enormous |
| 00:16.37 | nsadmin | the way xchat just provides one whole nick has been what I found annoying |
| 00:16.40 | phogg | like... locks up a modern CPU for minutes enormous |
| 00:20.05 | MestreLion | this might be a dumb question but... why the executables build by make and the one in the binary package are different, if they are compiled with exactly the same arguments? |
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| 00:20.25 | abrotman | MestreLion: different compiler options? |
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| 00:20.57 | Hydroxide | or even different compiler revision |
| 00:21.09 | Hydroxide | or a build process that cares about the current date/time/system |
| 00:21.10 | Hydroxide | etc |
| 00:21.24 | MestreLion | abrotman Hydroxide: but how, if debuild uses the same Makefile using the same options? |
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| 00:21.47 | nsadmin | nit picking... make doesn't actually build... it calls things that builds (which has make be more generally useful) |
| 00:22.30 | nsadmin | MestreLion, remember that in many cases the makefile is -generated- by a call to ./configure |
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| 00:23.14 | MestreLion | nsadmin: not this one.. I'm not using autotools, I made a simple Makefile by hand: http://sprunge.us/AIEb?makefile |
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| 00:24.30 | MestreLion | and debian/rules is also bare minimum: http://sprunge.us/IYBF?makefile |
| 00:24.37 | nsadmin | MestreLion, would it be fair to say that in that case, you had to create an (albeit simple) build system for a project that didn't have a completed one? |
| 00:25.31 | MestreLion | nsadmin: Yes, this is a C program made for windows, so it didn't even had a Makefile... I created a simple one from scratch |
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| 00:26.19 | nsadmin | MestreLion, oh, I guess that might have had some kind of ide project file |
| 00:26.47 | MestreLion | nsadmin: it did, for MS C#/.Net/whatever |
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| 00:27.04 | LittleFoot | ok gaize |
| 00:27.09 | LittleFoot | here iz gud 1 |
| 00:27.15 | LittleFoot | 1440p on debian |
| 00:27.19 | LittleFoot | hau!!! |
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| 00:28.06 | LittleFoot | plz help |
| 00:28.23 | LittleFoot | monitoer seting only list up to 640x480 lool |
| 00:28.24 | Moogs | I am thinking about getting a VPS with Debian. What is better for VPS 32 or 64 bit? |
| 00:28.36 | dondelelcaro | Moogs: depends on what you're doing |
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| 00:29.02 | nsadmin | also remember that calls to dh_make and friends can expand moreorless arbitrarily |
| 00:29.19 | Moogs | dondelelcaro: basically using it for ssh tunnel, and a little website creation |
| 00:29.35 | dondelelcaro | Moogs: doesn't really matter then |
| 00:30.03 | nsadmin | LittleFoot, that strongly depends on what monitor and also what video card you have |
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| 00:30.15 | Moogs | What is NS1 prefix mean |
| 00:30.23 | squisher | Moogs, I'd go with 64bit just cause it seems a bit more future proof |
| 00:30.29 | LittleFoot | nsadmin, i just got the crossover |
| 00:30.42 | LittleFoot | i hav nvidia gtx560 |
| 00:31.11 | nsadmin | is that card fully supported? (btw, I dunno what you mean by "crossover") |
| 00:32.09 | sney | I have a gtx 560, it works well enough with the proprietary driver (nvidia kernel dkms) |
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| 00:33.27 | MestreLion | nsadmin: is there any of the default dh_* called by a bare dh @ that modifies an executable without recompiling it? |
| 00:34.47 | nsadmin | the only thing I know of that modifies after the fact is strip |
| 00:34.47 | MestreLion | I'm looking at the build logs, it's a very small one... and executable is compiled only once... and then copied by make install to the debian/<package>/usr/bin |
| 00:35.11 | MestreLion | and is strip called by default hwn dh @ is used? |
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| 00:35.15 | MestreLion | when* |
| 00:35.16 | nsadmin | that sounds pretty basic, and also usual |
| 00:36.04 | MestreLion | oh, dh_strip |
| 00:36.21 | nsadmin | well policy for executables is to have them stripped unless it's the debug version |
| 00:37.11 | nsadmin | but, strip does modify the file, but not the code part... all strip does is remove the symbol table stored in the executable |
| 00:37.49 | MestreLion | nsadmin: but it didn't change the code.. .I said the executables are different, byse and size-wise... they both work |
| 00:38.09 | MestreLion | my Makefile does not distinghish debug/release... should I build a stripped one upfront? |
| 00:38.30 | LittleFoot | ok windows likes 1440p |
| 00:38.39 | LittleFoot | hau cum debian no! |
| 00:38.45 | LittleFoot | not even mint |
| 00:38.47 | LittleFoot | wtf |
| 00:39.08 | squisher | LittleFoot, are you sure your using the correct driver? |
| 00:39.25 | LittleFoot | well |
| 00:39.32 | LittleFoot | its not the stock driver |
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| 00:39.42 | LittleFoot | i had to update to 3.2 kernal |
| 00:39.55 | LittleFoot | then install a bunch of crap |
| 00:39.59 | nsadmin | LittleFoot, one thing that was said a while ago, sney said he was using nvidia's closed/proprietary driver |
| 00:40.04 | LittleFoot | like native nvidia stuff |
| 00:40.31 | squisher | LittleFoot, being a bit more specific would help. Did you use the debian packages or use nvidia's installer? |
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| 00:40.39 | squisher | also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:40.46 | MestreLion | nsadmin: should my Makefile generate stripped files? |
| 00:40.56 | LittleFoot | ok i know its not the nvidias .run |
| 00:41.00 | squisher | look for (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" |
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| 00:41.32 | LittleFoot | and its not the novou |
| 00:41.48 | LittleFoot | its has to be the dkms |
| 00:41.48 | nsadmin | you might be using nv or even vga |
| 00:41.49 | squisher | LittleFoot, just check the log file |
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| 00:41.54 | LittleFoot | okok |
| 00:41.56 | LittleFoot | leme reboot |
| 00:42.11 | LittleFoot | wait leme see counter strike |
| 00:42.15 | LittleFoot | in winbloz |
| 00:42.50 | LittleFoot | man this monitor is like a friken TV |
| 00:43.05 | LittleFoot | its like taking up all my desks |
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| 00:53.12 | garotosopa | Hi. Is anybody experiencing problems with SID on 64bits right now? I keep getting "Segmentation Fault __strcmp_ssse3 () at ../sysdeps/x86_64/multiarch/../strcmp.S:213 |
| 00:53.13 | garotosopa | " with some GTK 2 applications like thunar, transmission, xfdesktop. Any suggestions? |
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| 00:56.46 | squisher | garotosopa, I think I upgraded 1-2 days ago on sid and experience nothing of the sort |
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| 01:03.47 | garotosopa | I see. I'll just wait a few weeks and hope for the best. I tried gdb with thunar (although it happens with some other gtk 2 apps) but I couldn't guess anything useful out of it: http://pastie.org/4899965 |
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| 01:05.07 | squisher | garotosopa, __strcmp_ssse3 my guess is that's in libc. You should at least install its dbg symbols if you want to play around with gdb |
| 01:06.01 | linux2 | I've been having some trouble outputting 1920x1080 to my HDTV and was wondering if anyone had some input. I have another desktop also running debian which seems to not have the issue. Anyways, when I connect to the TV I have to add the resolution manually using cvt and xrandr. Once I've done that and i set the resolution to 1920x1080 I can see it on the TV, but it is off center with bars on the left and the right. I originally thought |
| 01:06.03 | linux2 | it was the cable, but it doesn't appear to be the case as all my vga cables do it. Any ideas? |
| 01:06.57 | linux2 | also, if I could get the laptop to actually detect the resolutions compatible with the monitor that would probably help, but whenever I plug in a monitor I get this error from dmesg: [drm:pch_irq_handler] *ERROR* PCH poison interrupt |
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| 01:11.40 | baronobeefdip | Is there a free IDE out there for C++ with MPI |
| 01:12.26 | baronobeefdip | I am starting out in writing programs for clusters with the MPI interface implemented and Netbeans doesn't recognize MPI C++ syntax I want an IDE that does |
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| 01:18.00 | Kvothe_ | is there anyway to dd the content of a .iso to a hard disk and boot it with grub or something? |
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| 01:19.34 | sney | some of the debian installer isos can be written to a disk that way and will boot |
| 01:19.58 | gnarface | i thought that only worked for usb? |
| 01:20.24 | gnarface | i thought for harddrive you have to unpack the iso or install d-i directly, no? |
| 01:20.30 | Zor | using the netboot installer for armel, can I drop to a shell instead of going through the installer? |
| 01:20.31 | sney | hm, I guess I haven't tried it over sata. I don't think it should make a difference though |
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| 01:20.48 | gnarface | sney: maybe you're right. i have not either though |
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| 01:21.18 | cusco | hi folks |
| 01:21.22 | gnarface | Zor: there is a shell in the installer but its highly limited. if you want full functionality you might want to consider a livecd (debian has them now too) |
| 01:21.50 | cusco | I installed python-mysqldb but I have a script stating: ImportError: No module named MySQLdb |
| 01:21.57 | gnarface | Zor: otherwise, you can get to it i think on alt-f4 (or maybe f4-f9 even?) |
| 01:22.07 | gnarface | Zor: you have to get a couple steps in before it lets you though i think |
| 01:22.11 | cusco | however if I run python, then import MySQLdb, no error |
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| 01:24.08 | squisher | cusco, does your script do weird stuff to the PYTHONPATH? |
| 01:24.24 | Zor | gnarface: I wasn't able to find any livecd for armel |
| 01:24.31 | squisher | also, is it maybe using a different python version? |
| 01:24.59 | MestreLion | nsadmin: you were right... dh_strip is the one changing the executable. Question: I tried to build an stripped executable using gcc -s, but dh_strip is still making the executable smaller. Is there a way to set GCC in a way that dh_strip has nothing else to strip? |
| 01:25.46 | gnarface | Zor: doh! yea sorry i spaced that out. armel support is still, shall we say... growing. |
| 01:25.56 | cusco | squisher: I don't think so, its mailman, with a extra script 'MysqlMemberships.py' |
| 01:26.14 | cusco | that MysqlMemberships.py has import MySQLdb |
| 01:26.21 | cusco | but no str like 'path' |
| 01:26.23 | gnarface | Zor: although i'd be curious to find out if the livecd can be built for armel and just isn't yet, or if its hard |
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| 01:27.41 | frankko | sudo halt |
| 01:27.42 | frankko | oops |
| 01:29.07 | cusco | squisher: how can I make it include /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ in its sys.path |
| 01:29.08 | cusco | ? |
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| 01:29.17 | squisher | cusco, that should be included by default |
| 01:29.41 | squisher | do you have any other python versions installed? |
| 01:29.43 | Zor | gnarface: in any case, alt-f4 seems to drop me to a shell, though not an interactive one (dmesg presumably?) |
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| 01:30.12 | cusco | squisher: only the ones from debian 2.6 and 2.7 I thinkl |
| 01:30.27 | squisher | and mysql is present in both? |
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| 01:30.55 | cusco | yes |
| 01:31.13 | cusco | /usr/share/pyshared/MySQLdb; /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MySQLdb; /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MySQLdb |
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| 01:32.05 | cusco | "What I did is I added the path of the module to the sys.path variable, in the file extend.py" in the last comment in http://loeki.tv/log/archives/81-Setting-up-Mailman-to-store-members-in-a-MySQL-database.html |
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| 01:32.14 | cusco | perhaps I should do the same |
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| 01:33.49 | chovy | i can't remove a script with update-rc.d -f redis_6379 remove |
| 01:33.52 | chovy | i get errors |
| 01:34.31 | cusco | squisher: error log from mailman shows: ['/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib', '/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/python2.7/', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages'] |
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| 01:34.34 | gnarface | Zor: its one of the others then. installer status goes to the first couple, one of them eventually (after you get far enough in to select locale and such probably) has no log output and just shows some message like "press enter to activate this terminal" then it becomes interactive |
| 01:34.37 | cusco | as sys.path |
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| 01:34.59 | cusco | has "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages" but no "/usr/lib/python2.7/disst-packages" |
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| 01:35.06 | squisher | that is odd, yeah |
| 01:35.09 | gnarface | Zor: just try alt-f2 though alt-f9 |
| 01:35.19 | gnarface | Zor: full disclosure, i only install in expert mode |
| 01:35.43 | gnarface | Zor: (so you could try that too, but i promise its in there somewhere) |
| 01:35.51 | Zor | ah, alt-f2 indeed |
| 01:36.20 | Zor | now to figure out if this installer ships with a partitioning tool of any kind |
| 01:37.01 | nsadmin | debian-installer? yes it does, it'spartman |
| 01:37.55 | Zor | cannot seem to find it there... |
| 01:37.58 | squisher | you can also load cfdisk as a module if you have net |
| 01:38.18 | squisher | (maybe it's also on the CD? not sure) |
| 01:38.49 | cusco | cfdisk ins in teh installer |
| 01:39.33 | Zor | 'find' lists neither partman, nor (c)fdisk), nor parted |
| 01:40.11 | Zor | maybe they haven't been fetched yet |
| 01:40.19 | Zor | runs the installer a bit further in |
| 01:41.26 | Zor | yeah, it just fetched partman :) that would explain |
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| 01:44.46 | Zor | is there any way I can point partman to an existing partition on the system so I can modify it? |
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| 01:46.53 | nsadmin | it should be listed |
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| 01:47.26 | Zor | just running 'partman' makes it ask whether I want to write my changes (...?) to disk or undo them |
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| 01:53.23 | nsadmin | how would I add http://si.te/~user/public_html functionality to apache? |
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| 01:56.59 | sney | nsadmin: it's something like mod_userdir. I don't remember precisely |
| 01:57.26 | cusco | nsadmin: yes mod userdir |
| 01:57.29 | cusco | a2enmod |
| 01:57.34 | cusco | userdir |
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| 01:57.46 | cusco | also php is disabled by default on ~userdir |
| 01:58.25 | cusco | comment the last ifmodul in /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf to enable it |
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| 02:20.30 | nsadmin | what's an editor that kinda looks and acts like kwrite (so, a text editor with an insertion point) would be installed with xfce? |
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| 02:28.16 | squisher | nsadmin, are you looking for a name? mousepad is the only one that's associated with xfce afaik |
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| 02:29.54 | ectospasm | nsadmin: does kate not do what you want? |
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| 02:31.01 | squisher | nsadmin, geany |
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| 02:32.29 | redwarriors25 | how can i have internet in debian |
| 02:32.49 | qak | redwarriors25: debian is optimized for the internet! |
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| 02:33.09 | drounse | is debian unstable more stable than arch? |
| 02:33.18 | redwarriors25 | dim using debian web server |
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| 02:34.11 | redwarriors25 | im using as a webs erver |
| 02:34.15 | wilee-nilee | drounse, there is stable and unstable versions of debian your question is basically moot in its form. |
| 02:34.17 | redwarriors25 | server* |
| 02:35.13 | wilee-nilee | drounse, Actually you can't really compare the two with any real answer, to many varibles. |
| 02:35.18 | drounse | wilee-nilee, well theres stable, testing and unstable, is debian unstable (sid) comparable to arch |
| 02:35.21 | drounse | why not? |
| 02:35.32 | drounse | does unstable break? |
| 02:35.47 | wilee-nilee | drounse, varibles, outliers...etc |
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| 02:36.08 | qak | doesn't know how stable arch is |
| 02:36.10 | wilee-nilee | drounse, your questions are to broad basically. |
| 02:36.31 | roe | is there a way to test a usb stick to make sure it is capable of booting? |
| 02:37.09 | wilee-nilee | roe, any working stick is most likely bootable id setup correctly. |
| 02:37.12 | wilee-nilee | if* |
| 02:37.26 | qak | roe: afaik it only depends on whether the computer (bios) allows booting from usb |
| 02:37.29 | roe | wilee-nilee, well I have done everything imaginable and I can't get it to boot |
| 02:37.36 | roe | the computer does |
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| 02:37.51 | drounse | roe, howd you get the iso on the usb? |
| 02:37.55 | roe | atleast the device shows up in the boot order |
| 02:38.04 | roe | drounse, I have tried cat and dd |
| 02:38.14 | qak | roe: where is the bootloader loaded from? |
| 02:38.16 | wilee-nilee | roe, Have you tries it on multiple computers? Are you familiar with using the outside of the bios boot from menu? |
| 02:38.24 | wilee-nilee | tried? |
| 02:38.39 | roe | qak, that's where I get stuck |
| 02:39.02 | roe | when I try to install grub I get a warning about the fs is an iso9550 or whatever |
| 02:39.44 | wilee-nilee | roe, are you installing the bootloader for the mbr or the whole grub package? |
| 02:40.00 | wilee-nilee | and where? |
| 02:40.06 | roe | I try to run grub-install /dev/sdx |
| 02:40.25 | qak | roe: google shows me this: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/grub_intro |
| 02:40.28 | wilee-nilee | roe, you know the x is the flash letter right? |
| 02:40.30 | nsadmin | squisher, is that "geany is a text editor automatically installed with xfce" or "a pretty good simple gui text editor I can install"? |
| 02:40.35 | roe | wilee-nilee, yes |
| 02:40.44 | roe | wilee-nilee, I didn't think it was important to write /dev/sdf |
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| 02:41.01 | wilee-nilee | roe, kit is |
| 02:41.03 | wilee-nilee | it* |
| 02:41.04 | squisher | nsadmin, mousepad is the (simple) editor that is installed with xfce (usually). Geany is a slim IDE loosly associated with xfce |
| 02:41.39 | wilee-nilee | roe, If the flash is f then it is grub-install /dev/sdf |
| 02:41.50 | roe | wilee-nilee, yes |
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| 02:42.33 | roe | the image itself is bootable |
| 02:42.38 | roe | I fired it up in qemu to test it |
| 02:42.52 | wilee-nilee | roe, So how are you loading the ISO to the flash? |
| 02:43.08 | roe | I tried using dd, but not go |
| 02:43.16 | roe | and I also tried cat |
| 02:43.32 | wilee-nilee | roe what is the ISO, can you use unetbootin? |
| 02:43.39 | nsadmin | squisher, and you can get to mousepad thru the lower left menu button? |
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| 02:43.53 | roe | wilee-nilee, the flash disk doesn't show up in unetbootin |
| 02:44.02 | roe | wilee-nilee, the iso is for asterisknow |
| 02:44.12 | squisher | nsadmin, sure, it's under accessories |
| 02:44.24 | wilee-nilee | roe, with what partition type? |
| 02:44.51 | drounse | roe, "sudo dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdX" where X is just the letter not the number |
| 02:44.53 | nsadmin | squisher awesome! thanks |
| 02:45.10 | roe | drounse, correct |
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| 02:46.33 | roboman2444 | so, anyone get glc or yukon to work in debian? |
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| 02:51.25 | wilee-nilee | roe, Have you looked on the web on loading this ISO to a flash? |
| 02:51.36 | roe | wilee-nilee, yes |
| 02:51.46 | roe | and they pointed me at using dd cat or unetbootin |
| 02:52.00 | roe | the first two completed fine, but didn't result in a bootable drive |
| 02:52.11 | roe | the third I can't seem to get the drive recognized |
| 02:52.18 | wilee-nilee | roe, I would see if there is a formatting problem then with getting unetbootin to see it. |
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| 02:52.51 | wilee-nilee | or try another flash |
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| 02:54.44 | roe | I don't have another flash |
| 02:54.47 | roe | that's kind of the problem |
| 02:55.24 | wilee-nilee | roe, So do you have access to gparted to format the flash in a fat 32? |
| 02:56.11 | redwarriors25 | how can i get have internet in debian |
| 02:56.24 | roe | wilee-nilee, sure |
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| 02:56.45 | wilee-nilee | roe, have you done this before trying unetbootin? |
| 02:56.54 | roe | yes |
| 02:57.42 | wilee-nilee | hmm strange that should work, unless there is some firmware on the flash causing a problem I had one that did this I forget the manufacturers name. |
| 02:58.17 | wilee-nilee | I had to wipe the firmware |
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| 03:00.49 | abrotman | unetbootin doesn't work very well for the debian netinst |
| 03:01.27 | wilee-nilee | abrotman, its not debian |
| 03:02.04 | acu | If I have two network cards and want both to be on at boot - should I have them allow-hotplug eth0 eth1 or should I do auto eth0 ? |
| 03:03.32 | redwarriors25 | how can i know where is eth |
| 03:03.48 | redwarriors25 | connected |
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| 03:04.58 | ArtVandalae | Is debian.org down for anyone? |
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| 03:05.12 | qak | ArtVandalae: not here |
| 03:05.44 | qak | redwarriors25: ip addr show |
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| 03:10.41 | acu | redwarriors25, at command line - you can type ip addr or /sbin/ifconfig - you will get IP address etc |
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| 03:14.04 | acu | redwarriors25, I might have missed your question, but for easyness and coherenece - usually you should give us - Hardware - OS version - Desktop - what are you trying to do, what is the error ? |
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| 03:14.15 | acu | !question |
| 03:15.02 | redwarriors25 | i mean |
| 03:15.27 | redwarriors25 | how can i know where ive put the lan wire or the active eth0 |
| 03:15.34 | redwarriors25 | because i have eth0 and eth1 |
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| 03:17.30 | redwarriors25 | where i can go to the priviledge\ |
| 03:17.31 | qak | redwarriors25: as root, do `mii-tool eth0` and so on for each interface |
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| 03:18.30 | redwarriors25 | i inserted another HD |
| 03:18.32 | redwarriors25 | but im nbot in priveledge |
| 03:18.34 | redwarriors25 | how can i go there |
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| 03:19.21 | redwarriors25 | how can i go there |
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| 03:24.23 | redwarriors25 | but im not in privelege mode how can i go there |
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| 03:27.02 | LtL | redwarriors25: type: 'su -' hit <enter> type root password. |
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| 03:27.46 | LtL | redwarriors25: no quotes |
| 03:29.14 | LtL | redwarriors25: are you there? type 'whoami' |
| 03:29.29 | redwarriors25 | a |
| 03:29.36 | redwarriors25 | im in root |
| 03:29.38 | redwarriors25 | already |
| 03:29.58 | LtL | redwarriors25: then i do not understand what you want to do. |
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| 03:30.48 | redwarriors25 | i want to copy a file to another hardrive but the problem is |
| 03:30.55 | redwarriors25 | im not in root privledge |
| 03:31.53 | LtL | redwarriors25: does the target hard drive has write permission enabled, what error |
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| 03:36.16 | awc737 | does anyone use debian for desktop / workstation? i'm tired of bugs with xubuntu |
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| 03:36.22 | awc737 | I just deleted my entire system basically thanks to tasksel |
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| 03:36.52 | squisher | awc737, there are plenty of people who use debian on their desktop |
| 03:37.10 | squisher | I do, for example, though I'm running sid which is not entirely recommended for the general public ;-) |
| 03:37.36 | awc737 | hmm its not recommended for the general public? or enterprise... |
| 03:37.48 | awc737 | I thought its the way to get recent and relevant software |
| 03:38.04 | squisher | and that's why I'm doing it |
| 03:38.21 | redwarriors25 | im not in priveledge mode |
| 03:38.31 | squisher | honestly in my, puh, 10 years or so of using sid on the desktop, there has been surprisingly little breakage |
| 03:38.39 | squisher | but that's of course no guarantee for the future |
| 03:38.45 | acu | awc737, install debian wheezy - it works well - and is modern |
| 03:38.48 | LtL | redwarriors25: that makes no sense if you are root. |
| 03:38.56 | awc737 | yeah i think i'll do wheezy |
| 03:39.07 | awc737 | wheezy beta 2 has xfce? |
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| 03:39.19 | redwarriors25 | i cant mount the hd i wwant copy |
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| 03:40.26 | acu | awc737, xfce 4.80.3 in wheezy |
| 03:40.54 | awc737 | can i easily get 4.10 |
| 03:41.02 | awc737 | and i'm having trouble finding a usb wheezy image lool |
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| 03:42.16 | acu | I use mostly gnome - I almost forgot to use kde, though I just setup few workstations with 4 monitors and GNOME3 did fallback mode - kind of sucks - and KDE I feel is really slugish |
| 03:42.24 | LtL | redwarriors25: is it formatted, do you know the device name |
| 03:42.32 | acu | I am talking about wheezy |
| 03:44.22 | awc737 | where does one download wheezy? |
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| 03:44.34 | awc737 | or should I install squeeze live usb, and update the sources? |
| 03:44.39 | acu | redwarriors25, you have to make directory then mount your partition into that directory then access your file - make sure the rights are OK - so mkdir mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/mydirectory if needed chmod -R 777 /yourfolder |
| 03:45.35 | acu | awc737, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:45.48 | awc737 | sweet thanks |
| 03:45.50 | acu | go for netinstall |
| 03:45.56 | awc737 | netinstall onto a usb? |
| 03:46.16 | awc737 | live usb is as far as my experience goes... |
| 03:46.18 | acu | you want to run it from usb - or install it from usb ? |
| 03:46.25 | ArtVandalae | I must be taking crazy pills: The Google DNS servers (8.8.8.8, 4.4.4.4) I get no response for debian.org. e.g. can anyone run dig from their system: dig @8.8.8.8 debian.org … I get no A record response |
| 03:46.29 | awc737 | install from usb |
| 03:46.45 | awc737 | ArtVandalae: the second one is 8.8.4.4 i believe |
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| 03:47.40 | acu | there is an instruction there at the bottom - how to make a usb bootable - and to copy that netinstall image into that usb stick - to my knowledge you are not going to be using that stick for anything else (of course unless format it) |
| 03:47.47 | LtL | ArtVandalae: dig @8.8.8.8 debian.org <-- yes, it answers. |
| 03:47.54 | ArtVandalae | awc737: You are correct |
| 03:48.10 | ArtVandalae | LtL: Thanks. Does it answer correctly? i.e. returns an IP address for debian.org ? |
| 03:48.41 | LtL | ArtVandalae: yes, it does |
| 03:49.06 | ArtVandalae | LtL: thanks |
| 03:49.07 | LtL | ArtVandalae: http://paste.debian.net/195586/ |
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| 03:50.10 | LtL | ArtVandalae: Yu're welcome naturally. |
| 03:50.38 | LtL | pounds keyboard into submission |
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| 03:52.21 | ArtVandalae | Okay. It looks like I'm not going crazy! Google is not resolving debian.org properly. Even though we're all accessing 8.8.8.8, I'm guessing Google has multiple machines that resolve as 8.8.8.8 depending on where in the world you are. I just checked with a machine in Japan |
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| 03:53.08 | Hydroxide | ArtVandalae: yes, google has many 8.8.8.8 machines, but they all ought to be able to resolve debian.org. bugs in Google Public DNS are uncommon but I'm never going to say it's impossible |
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| 04:28.01 | Bradford | hola |
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| 04:28.59 | Bradford | adios HIJOS DE PUTA |
| 04:29.03 | Bradford | CABRONES |
| 04:29.10 | Bradford | CUHUPENELO |
| 04:29.18 | Bradford | .l. |
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| 04:39.32 | mrbean | Hi. I want to replace sphider (web indexer) with a package, what should I use? htdig is orphaned. |
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| 04:41.56 | nsadmin | mrbean, packages.debian.org might be able to help, as it divides packages into categories |
| 04:42.32 | nsadmin | is there something wrong with the thing you've been using? |
| 04:43.18 | nsadmin | you could ask debian-devel@lists.debian.org to package the sphider thingy |
| 04:43.41 | epitamizor | anyone know how to remove emerge conflict? this is what I'm getting http://dpaste.org/T4WCw/ |
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| 04:44.17 | mrbean | It has not been updated in years. Yes I checked packages there's a "swish-e" but I wanted an opinion from someone using any of those. |
| 04:44.52 | mrbean | Thank you. |
| 04:45.00 | nsadmin | ok, I do have a resource, you might be able to get opinions on #web |
| 04:45.20 | nsadmin | no guarantees they're packages... is that important? |
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| 04:46.03 | mrbean | I'd rather have a maintained package. |
| 04:46.16 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': "Undelete File System > Recovery of deleted files is only available on ext2 file systems." Does »ext2 file systems« here include ext3 and ext4? |
| 04:46.29 | nsadmin | so, get a list of maintained packages, and then ask #web :) |
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| 04:46.48 | hanasaki | is there a debian package that provides ddwrt or similar functionality? |
| 04:46.48 | mrbean | I'll check thanks. |
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| 04:51.18 | nsadmin | , file ddwrt |
| 04:51.23 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 04:53.16 | hanasaki | thanks nsadmin - basically just need a box that runs deb and will function as a router/firewall with web browser interface and support 2 nics + wireless |
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| 04:55.13 | nsadmin | oh, so ddwrt is a router |
| 04:55.45 | nsadmin | I used an old thing called ipmasq that was removed before squeeze released |
| 04:56.15 | nsadmin | I like it, so I ported it so it does work in squeeze |
| 04:57.14 | nsadmin | the machine it's on has almost what you have, except it has three nics one of which connects to a wap |
| 04:57.43 | hanasaki | nsadmin: I use iptables for firewall rules I write... but ddwrt has a nice web based gui for folks that are not into linux |
| 04:58.29 | nsadmin | what's the gui do? |
| 04:59.05 | hanasaki | the admin |
| 04:59.14 | hanasaki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT |
| 04:59.19 | nsadmin | so you build the rules? |
| 04:59.36 | nsadmin | who would be the admin? |
| 04:59.41 | hanasaki | buffalo and asus use it on some of their hardware |
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| 05:00.26 | LtL | nsadmin: dd-wrt is a router firmware software |
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| 05:00.42 | hanasaki | hi LtL - |
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| 05:00.52 | LtL | it's very good too, hi hanasaki |
| 05:01.14 | nsadmin | what do you write the firmware to? |
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| 05:01.25 | LtL | nsadmin: nvram |
| 05:01.26 | hanasaki | from what I have seen.. ddwrt would seem to win over ipcop or pfsense |
| 05:01.56 | subb1 | Hi all. I'm trying to install stunnel from source. It has dependency "openssl-devel". Which is the debian equivalent for openssl-devel , as I'm not able to locate it from my repo. Thank |
| 05:02.09 | hanasaki | LtL: the idea is I would like ot run debian and an mta and apache and a few other things on a box including ddwrt like functionality also yet not integrate that functionality myself |
| 05:02.24 | hanasaki | and the box is higher end then a basic router w/ firmware |
| 05:02.57 | LtL | hanasaki: I've never seen anyone try that but it's a nice idea. |
| 05:03.07 | redwarriors25 | how can i browse to the internet |
| 05:03.45 | hanasaki | LtL: ya even a 1.8 gig with 4 gig ram is way overpowered for just firmware and routing and its under 200$ |
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| 05:05.08 | hanasaki | redwarriors25: use a web browser |
| 05:05.32 | redwarriors25 | i use static ip |
| 05:05.45 | epitamizor | anyone know how to remove emerge conflict? this is what I'm getting http://dpaste.org/T4WCw/ |
| 05:06.44 | hanasaki | isn't emerge a different distribution? |
| 05:06.46 | nsadmin | redwarriors25, so, you got an ip... |
| 05:07.10 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': "Undelete File System > Recovery of deleted files is only available on ext2 file systems." Does »ext2 file systems« here include ext3 and ext4? |
| 05:07.12 | hanasaki | redwarriors25: try "ifconfig" from the command line as root and pastbin it |
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| 05:07.53 | hanasaki | is getting an ajax headache :( |
| 05:08.16 | redwarriors25 | ok |
| 05:09.48 | nsadmin | hanasaki, stop eating ajax! |
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| 05:12.59 | hanasaki | nsadmin: lol that would be less painful |
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| 05:20.41 | gnarface | DOOM! |
| 05:20.43 | gnarface | that is all, thank you. |
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| 05:22.07 | gnarface | (also, its not fucking ajax its called dynamic html, which is also a misnomer. you have been warned.) |
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| 06:00.56 | nmschulte | hi all. Is the armhf port supported here? |
| 06:01.59 | nmschulte | Well, that's kind of irrelevant. I'm interested in using encryption on my embedded device, which boots from an SD card. Does that sound like a terrible idea? |
| 06:02.18 | nmschulte | The notion of using [F]DE on an SD card? |
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| 06:03.45 | gnarface | nmschulte: can't answer the other questions but i do know that debian has consolidated down to armel only (with i think the idea that most people should be able to use it as-is but i don't know what armhf was/is) |
| 06:04.08 | nmschulte | gnarface: really? armhf is "dead"? |
| 06:05.50 | gnarface | nmschulte: keep in mind i'm an AMD guy but yea, that's my general understanding. |
| 06:06.09 | nmschulte | armhf is/was -- ARM Hard Float -- using the FPU on the ARM devices; mondo fasto |
| 06:06.11 | gnarface | nmschulte: there is a debian-arm channel you might want to ask around in though |
| 06:06.31 | gnarface | !armel |
| 06:06.33 | dpkg | armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with Debian 5.0 "Lenny". http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. See also <armel vs armhf>. |
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| 06:06.44 | gnarface | !armel vs armhf |
| 06:06.44 | dpkg | Debian supports two different architectures of ARM processor: <armel> supports processes like the sheeva/guru/dreamplug and raspberry pi, while <armhf> supports newer chips. See /proc/cpuinfo for the exact details of your hardware. If «readelf -A /path/to/binary | grep Tag_ABI_VFP» returns anything then a binary is for armhf not armel. |
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| 06:07.41 | gnarface | nmschulte: hey you might be in luck; i might be wrong and maybe armhf is something newly introduced rather than whatever old thing i thought they'd merged out/obsolted |
| 06:07.47 | gnarface | *obsoleted |
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| 06:08.02 | nmschulte | gnarface: :) |
| 06:08.16 | nmschulte | Anyone for [F]DE on an SD card? Good, bad, indifferent? |
| 06:08.36 | gnarface | define "[F]DE" ? |
| 06:08.53 | awc737 | can't believe i was looking for a more desktop-oriented distro based on debian.. debian 7 is way sexier and equipped than ubu or other crap |
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| 06:09.05 | nmschulte | FDE == full disk encryption |
| 06:09.19 | gnarface | awc737: welcome to being smarter than the herd |
| 06:09.26 | nmschulte | [] == optional; so, yeah, that. |
| 06:10.04 | awc737 | thanks :) i've been using deb6 for a lot of command line web server stuff, but never expected it to be my desktop |
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| 06:10.12 | gnarface | nmschulte: yea, i follow now. i got nothing though. i would imagine it would not impact lifespan like using it for swap or journaling though |
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| 06:10.48 | awc737 | the deb7 netinstall took 3 times as long as mint / ubu, tho... |
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| 06:11.36 | gnarface | awc737: that is usually due to the distance between you and the mirror. |
| 06:12.07 | gnarface | awc737: if you want a real benchmark comparison between ubuntu and debian installs you need a local mirror (or at least caching proxy) of both |
| 06:12.08 | awc737 | could be, plus i selected a few 'bundles'. I think i generally update after the install |
| 06:12.24 | awc737 | deb7's install was nicer than ubu/mint 2 |
| 06:12.42 | foo357 | Hello, I've got a guestion about reading man pages (in terminal using 'man'). Is there some keyboard shortcut to go to the next ocurrence of a word/string. How can I generally become better at reading man pages? |
| 06:12.45 | gnarface | awc737: i'd gladly give up even 30 minutes extra time to not have to deal with ubuntu after install |
| 06:12.58 | awc737 | one curiosity I have tho... I thought deb 7 was going to ship with xfce. do most people stick with gnome 3? it still feels very counter-productive to me, but I know anything is at first |
| 06:13.16 | gnarface | foo357: yes! there is |
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| 06:13.42 | foo357 | what is it gnarface ? |
| 06:13.47 | gnarface | foo357: / |
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| 06:14.50 | gnarface | foo357: if you're not familiar with line control in VI though its gonna be cumbersome. there's a lot more to know than just that / is the first thing you type when doing an inline search |
| 06:15.16 | awc737 | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk |
| 06:15.20 | awc737 | uhh, that did not just happen? i have g3 |
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| 06:15.52 | gnarface | foo357: so, that in mind; 1) install less (just trust me, install it if you don't have it the tiny amount of disk space it wastes is worth it) and 2) emacs has a built-in man page renderer that is by far superior visually and navigationally (assuming you know emacs better than vi) |
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| 06:16.36 | foo357 | Ooo I'll check that out gnarface |
| 06:16.53 | burbuja | hi there, I use windows 7, but want to try the live DVD |
| 06:16.59 | burbuja | what have I to do? |
| 06:17.08 | burbuja | where can I get the iso file? |
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| 06:17.24 | burbuja | 64 bit |
| 06:17.32 | gnarface | dpkg tell burbuja about lived |
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| 06:17.43 | gnarface | woops my bad |
| 06:17.47 | gnarface | dpkg tell burbuja about livecd |
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| 06:18.02 | burbuja | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 06:18.09 | burbuja | I am downloading from here |
| 06:18.15 | burbuja | is it correct? |
| 06:18.21 | gnarface | burbuja: *shrug* probably? |
| 06:18.28 | crtxc | hi, I think that I found some information that should be added to the debian wiki. Can I do that? How? If so does someone want to take a minute to verity that it is correct? |
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| 06:19.27 | gnarface | awc737: um... yes debian 7 will be xfce by default i had also heard. its also not out yet. what is your actual problem? |
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| 06:20.00 | awc737 | gnarface, i installed deb7, gnome3 was default |
| 06:20.14 | gnarface | assumes awc737's actual problem is that he assumed debian 7 is already "out" because its "available" |
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| 06:21.01 | burbuja | gnarface: I am a stupid windows user |
| 06:21.12 | awc737 | not sure im going to disect the difference between those 2 synonyms, but ok |
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| 06:21.33 | awc737 | the points is, the change has not been yet made to debian, not in the lastest beta |
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| 06:21.36 | awc737 | i assume |
| 06:21.43 | burbuja | is debian a good OS for newbies? |
| 06:21.47 | gnarface | awc737: debian 7 is still in beta. by saying that i'm committing a semantic atrocity but its the best way for you to understand it |
| 06:22.03 | gnarface | burbuja: no |
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| 06:22.08 | awc737 | why is it an atrocity gnarface ? it is in beta |
| 06:22.14 | gnarface | burbuja: but, i can give you a link.. .stand by |
| 06:22.14 | burbuja | which one would you recommand me? |
| 06:22.22 | burbuja | ok |
| 06:22.43 | awc737 | brb xfce |
| 06:22.48 | gnarface | awc737: around here we don't use the word "beta", that's all. i'm over-simplifying it massively for you |
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| 06:23.18 | awc737 | oh, why not use the word beta? it is what it is, you didn't label it that |
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| 06:23.46 | awc737 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/ |
| 06:23.49 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': "Undelete File System > Recovery of deleted files is only available on ext2 file systems." Does »ext2 file systems« here include ext3 and ext4? |
| 06:23.58 | awc737 | alpha1, beta1, beta2, its what it is |
| 06:24.29 | gnarface | burbuja: oh. that's your problem; there are no pre-built debian 7 live images yet. only debian 6 so far. that doesn't mean its impossible for you to build one yourself but if you're as you say a "stupid windows user" i recommend that you just be patient and try out debian 6.0.5 for now instead. |
| 06:24.54 | awc737 | there are debian 7 images, just not live |
| 06:24.59 | awc737 | just install it :) wipe the windows |
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| 06:25.04 | gnarface | burbuja: and just so you know i'm not holding out on you; no, i do NOT know how to build a debian 7 live image manually, sorry. |
| 06:25.24 | gnarface | burbuja: but if you figure it out i'd love to know |
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| 06:26.41 | awc737 | ah xfce, now I don't feel so awkward |
| 06:26.52 | gnarface | bullgard4: uh... well probably at least ext3 (since its really just ext2++), not sure about ext4, since its an entirely new animal |
| 06:27.18 | awc737 | do people get used to gnome 3? productive people? not just general internet / app users? |
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| 06:27.46 | bullgard4 | gnarface: Hm. I will do further snooping. -- Thank you. |
| 06:28.28 | gnarface | awc737: that is the wrong question to ask in a support channel, since there's a negative bias on all new releases in here. what i can tell you from where we stand though is that gnome3 is a huge disaster and nobody who's come here asking about it asks anything other than "how do i uninstall/roll back to gnome2" and all we can tell them is... /me shrug dunno sorry |
| 06:28.37 | gnarface | bullgard4: good luck |
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| 06:29.10 | awc737 | that is a good answer to a wrong question gnarface , thanks :) ill stay away from it |
| 06:29.17 | awc737 | mind if I ask what you use gnarface ? |
| 06:29.37 | burbuja | sorry connection |
| 06:29.42 | burbuja | gnarface: do you have the link for me? |
| 06:29.46 | gnarface | awc737: at the moment e17 (just giving it another chance) but typically e16 because e17 is too buggy and bloated |
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| 06:30.07 | hanasaki | gnome3 converted me to kde |
| 06:30.24 | awc737 | gnarface, thats on top of debian? |
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| 06:30.32 | gnarface | awc737: yep |
| 06:30.49 | awc737 | hmm neat, i thought rhel was a whole other OS base... |
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| 06:31.39 | gnarface | burbuja: uh, what's the last thing you saw me say? did you see this: burbuja: oh. that's your problem; there are no pre-built debian 7 live images yet. only debian 6 so far. that doesn't mean its impossible for you to build one yourself but if you're as you say a "stupid windows user" i recommend that you just be patient and try out debian 6.0.5 for now instead. |
| 06:31.40 | gnarface | ? |
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| 06:32.31 | awc737 | gnarface, quite confused, thought el was an os |
| 06:32.38 | gnarface | awc737: to my knowledge rhel *is* a whole separate OS base. there are some of their key administration packages available in debian though. is that what you're upset about? |
| 06:32.45 | burbuja | gnarface: I am pissed off Windows 7 |
| 06:33.03 | gnarface | awc737: oh wait, to me "rhel" is a redhat thing. you're not talking about redhat, are you? |
| 06:33.09 | awc737 | neat != upset |
| 06:33.16 | awc737 | yeah sorry what is el |
| 06:33.17 | gnarface | burbuja: it took you till #7 to get pissed off? |
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| 06:33.31 | awc737 | lol |
| 06:33.32 | gnarface | awc737: i caught the sarcasm, just not the product reference |
| 06:33.35 | burbuja | gnarface: I loved xp |
| 06:33.53 | burbuja | now I have new notebook with preinstalled shit of win7 |
| 06:34.08 | burbuja | 2GHz, Asus |
| 06:34.08 | awc737 | 7>xp |
| 06:34.13 | gnarface | burbuja: but you forgave them for ME, NT 3.1 and 95, and 98? |
| 06:34.18 | burbuja | 3GB RAM |
| 06:34.41 | divbell | gnarface, 6.0.6 :p |
| 06:34.42 | burbuja | I had 3.11, milenium and xp |
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| 06:35.10 | burbuja | if, what distro would you recommand me? ubuntu? |
| 06:35.10 | gnarface | win98SE almost redeemed them in my eyes, for the month or two they actually supported it |
| 06:35.14 | burbuja | or Mint? |
| 06:35.24 | awc737 | yes mint 13 cinnamon, have fun |
| 06:35.32 | awc737 | gnarface, whats el7 |
| 06:35.45 | nsadmin | if x =3 and p = 2, 7 > xp |
| 06:35.57 | burbuja | awc737: Are you serious or ironic? |
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| 06:36.13 | awc737 | serious, its good. better than ubu. good for beginner, rich etc |
| 06:36.23 | burbuja | thank you |
| 06:36.34 | gnarface | burbuja: it depends a lot on your focus. if you want to continue to have a windows user mentality, go ubuntu all the way and just be angry when it fails you, like you are currently. otherwise, i'd say do a full from-scratch gentoo install. that's a great crash course in linux components. then, understanding that they are all very different and gentoo is for ricers, you can graduate to debian, if you are enlightened by then |
| 06:36.35 | burbuja | I am on a wifi, is it also supported? |
| 06:36.50 | awc737 | usually is supported |
| 06:37.14 | gnarface | burbuja: in debian wifi is only supported if it is encrypted by WEP or unencrypted entirely |
| 06:37.21 | nsadmin | for installing it's better to have a wired connection... you can get your wireless going leater |
| 06:37.29 | burbuja | gnarface: I tried Debian sid :( |
| 06:37.33 | awc737 | gnarface, le7... your secret, please :) |
| 06:37.35 | burbuja | it was a bad idea |
| 06:37.42 | gnarface | burbuja: i mean, in the *installer* ... you can afterwards upgrade to WPA/WPA2 using non-free addons |
| 06:38.07 | gnarface | awc737: sorry uh... e17 not el7 |
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| 06:38.24 | burbuja | are 2GHz enough for linux? |
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| 06:38.38 | gnarface | awc737: enlightenment 0.17, currently in sid as e17 i believe |
| 06:38.49 | gnarface | !enlightenment |
| 06:38.50 | dpkg | Enlightenment is a stacking <window manager> for X11. DR16 (Development Release) is packaged for Squeeze as e16, removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #619707. DR17 is packaged as e17 in <testing>. The Debian packages from packages.enlightenment.org are not supported in #debian. http://www.enlightenment.org/ #e on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:39.00 | gnarface | awc737: ^^^^^^ |
| 06:39.20 | awc737 | ah great thankyou |
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| 06:39.48 | awc737 | are there applications being developed for gnome 3 (gtk3+ ?) that might suffer in xfce or others? |
| 06:39.57 | gnarface | burbuja: fyi i'm on sid now but i would NOT recommend it to newbies. you want OLD hardware and squeeze, for your first try out. |
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| 06:40.07 | awc737 | or do other desktops use gtk3+ |
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| 06:40.43 | burbuja | I have no money for any hardware |
| 06:40.55 | gnarface | awc737: there are always some things for gnome that will only work in gnome. most of them in my opinion have fuck-all to do with getting work done, but i may be biased by what i do |
| 06:41.36 | gnarface | awc737: don't get misled though; gnome3 is no fucking iPhone app market; it just desperately wishes it were |
| 06:41.59 | awc737 | is gtk3+ exlusive to gnome3? |
| 06:42.20 | gnarface | awc737: no |
| 06:42.29 | gnarface | awc737: but most stuff outside of gnome3 is still on gtk2 |
| 06:42.49 | awc737 | ok thanks |
| 06:43.19 | gnarface | wow that was a flurry of fast questions; did anyone ask something i didn't respond to at all? |
| 06:43.46 | gnarface | if you weren't satisfied with my answer that's a separate issue; i just want to know if anyone was ignored accidentally |
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| 06:43.58 | gnarface | (had a long day) |
| 06:44.25 | awc737 | haha, nice job gnarface , you deserver... something! |
| 06:44.35 | gnarface | a sandwich, i think |
| 06:44.44 | gnarface | and i'm going to find one momentarily |
| 06:45.01 | awc737 | excellent choice! |
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| 06:51.16 | gnarface | burbuja: so, hardware in the 2-6 year old range is best supported by squeeze if its x86/amd64 |
| 06:51.46 | burbuja | thank you |
| 06:51.53 | gnarface | burbuja: newer debian releases typically target more current hardware than the old ones due to basic logistics |
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| 06:52.27 | gnarface | burbuja: but there ARE backports of kernels and other popular software to get squeeze running on lots of newer hardware, so worth reading this: |
| 06:52.31 | gnarface | !backports |
| 06:52.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 06:53.02 | gnarface | burbuja: but you don't sound like you want to have to deal with ANY of that, so i'd try squeeze first then if that fails try: |
| 06:53.03 | gnarface | !kmuto |
| 06:53.04 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 06:53.51 | gnarface | burbuja: and if THAT fails well... nothing i can tell you at that point other than "*shrug* mabye ubuntu but their IRC channel is useless and we won't support it here for you" |
| 06:54.00 | burbuja | well, my wife will kill me, if she will not be able to play facebook games |
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| 06:54.27 | gnarface | burbuja: well, to the best of my knowledge that is doable on ANY linux distro with a current version of flash and java |
| 06:54.46 | gnarface | burbuja: for modern facebook games, maybe just flash (don't some still require java? anyone know?) |
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| 06:55.04 | burbuja | yes it is flash only |
| 06:55.07 | burbuja | they are |
| 06:55.25 | gnarface | burbuja: but adobe just announced that 11.2 will be the last version of flash ever for linux (as macromedia had said about flash 7 right before adobe bought them) |
| 06:56.01 | gnarface | burbuja: so if your marriage hangs on this you might want to keep a spare windows install on disk somewhere.... |
| 06:56.16 | burbuja | are 2GHz enough for linux? |
| 06:56.29 | gnarface | for linux? yes. for flash? fuck no |
| 06:56.52 | Guest90325 | a 2GHz celery wont be for sure |
| 06:57.08 | burbuja | 64 bit |
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| 06:57.40 | gnarface | flash has serious performance problems at HD video (or anything above 320p honestly) in linux... regardless of 32/64-bit.... 2ghz is plenty for everything else though. i still run squeeze on some 0.350ghz computers |
| 06:58.16 | Guest90325 | i run an Intel Atom and thats fine unless at HD on youtube |
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| 06:58.25 | Guest90325 | its a 2.13GHz |
| 06:58.43 | awc737 | it still has issues. compared to windows, etc |
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| 07:00.13 | gnarface | Guest90325: 100% a flash problem only. all other video players can play HD on cpu-only with a 900MHZ processor. 300MHz (yes, 0.3hgz) is plenty sufficient if you've got a good video card |
| 07:00.34 | awc737 | in windows i could open ten tabs each playing youtube vid simultaneously. in linux 3 would hang. same specs |
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| 07:01.26 | awc737 | nice job wheezy, gimp 2.8 |
| 07:01.41 | gnarface | Guest90325: but for flash you wouldn't get linux playing HD video at full-framerate even if you had a 20GHZ processor; the engine is fundamentally flawed and caps out at around 3ghz without being able to do HD properly. Adobe is choosing to address this embarrassing performance deficiency by simply omitting linux from their support path |
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| 07:02.32 | gnarface | Guest90325: i recommend for you to try a copy of vlc with some HD divx/xvid-compatible content. be AMAZED |
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| 07:03.57 | Guest90325 | flash will be history in a few years if not before |
| 07:04.37 | gnarface | Guest90325: well, certainly if they can't make friends with arm hardware. same for windows. but the writing has been on the wall for the past 30 years for the rest of us. patience is sometimes more of a curse than a virtue. |
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| 07:14.04 | sven_ | is it possible to list packages by priority, for example all pks with priority 'important' or 'required'? |
| 07:14.12 | sven_ | i can't find any way with apt-cache |
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| 07:18.57 | sven_ | aha, just do what debootstrap does: fetch Release file to enumerate components, then fetch /debian/dists/<suite>/<component>/binary-<arch>/Packages |
| 07:19.00 | sven_ | and grep. |
| 07:19.03 | ARCADIVS | I'm installing Debian manually and I need to put an initramfs I made into my kernel. In Gentoo I just went to /usr/src/linux to custom build my kernel, but nothing is there. |
| 07:19.22 | ARCADIVS | Do I need to install a separate source package? |
| 07:19.32 | sven_ | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 07:19.47 | sven_ | also, you might want to fetch 'kernel-package', containing make-kpkg |
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| 07:20.48 | ARCADIVS | Thanks. |
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| 07:24.00 | ARCADIVS | Wow, kernel-package has a lot of dependencies. |
| 07:25.12 | Sm0ke0ut | ofcourse :) |
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| 07:34.56 | ARCADIVS | Something is telling me I need ncurses but there are so many ncurses packages I don't know which one to install. |
| 07:35.06 | ARCADIVS | What does a package with the suffix -dev mean? |
| 07:36.10 | jelly-home | ARCADIVS: headers and symbols required for compiling and building stuff |
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| 07:36.51 | ARCADIVS | Okay that makes sense I guess. |
| 07:38.29 | ARCADIVS | Apparently I have libncurses5 installed already. I'm not sure which ncurses I need for kernel configuration. o_O |
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| 07:39.39 | ARCADIVS | Oh it was libncurses-dev |
| 07:40.11 | ARCADIVS | That's strange because I don't expect to be compiling ncurses when configuring my kernel. |
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| 07:52.22 | frikinz | Hi! When having 2 nics, how is the default gw selected? I thought it was the one on the subnet of the last nic brought up but apperently its not always the case |
| 07:52.43 | xand | you should only have one default gateway, otherwise you'll have issues |
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| 07:54.52 | frikinz | I do. Just wondering which one is choosen. |
| 07:55.13 | xand | I don't think there's logic because it's not meant to happen, so could be either |
| 07:55.16 | frikinz | or "which one is put in the routing table" |
| 07:55.23 | sephii | I installed Debian testing on my new computer a few days ago and it crashed 3 times: the system freezes completely, even the magic keys don't work. I checked the logs but didn't find anything. I just noticed that it happened every time when I was browsing with Iceweasel, is it even possible that a simple user program makes the whole system crash like this? |
| 07:56.35 | frikinz | sephii: no, most probably a driver |
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| 07:57.44 | frikinz | sephii: did you try to ssh in ? |
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| 07:58.15 | benben159 | sephii, is there any message during the crash? Kernel panic |
| 07:58.16 | sephii | frikinz: no, I'll try that next time it freezes |
| 07:59.02 | sephii | benben159: nothing, X is just frozen |
| 07:59.28 | benben159 | have u tried nomodeset in the boot option? |
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| 08:00.52 | xand | frikinz: look at "ip route" to see. |
| 08:02.10 | frikinz | xand: thanks. in fact I have a nic to the company (subnetted network) and one to the interwebs. the default gw should be to the latter and routes to the internal network tightened (defining each subnet) |
| 08:02.15 | sephii | benben159: no, at the moment I just stopped using iceweasel and I didn't get any new crash.. the crash is random so it's quite difficult to use a "try and fail" approach, but I'll try it |
| 08:02.26 | benben159 | :| |
| 08:02.57 | benben159 | such crashes are hard to reproduce ._. |
| 08:03.04 | frikinz | sephii: or just ping constantly the machine, start iceweasel and see if ping timeouts |
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| 08:03.21 | frikinz | to see if its really X lockup or entire kernel |
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| 08:05.00 | frikinz | I'll bet on the latter |
| 08:05.03 | frikinz | :) |
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| 08:06.38 | ARCADIVS | I'm about to attempt to boot into my debian partition but I need to check that grub has my custom built kernel on the menu. I'm not familiar with grub2. Where do I look? |
| 08:07.24 | frikinz | ARCADIVS: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 08:07.54 | sephii | frikinz: me too since usually when X freezes the magic keys still work |
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| 08:08.50 | ARCADIVS | Thanks, frikinz. |
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| 08:09.25 | ARCADIVS | If I want to move my kernels into a different folder on my boot partition will grub still find it? |
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| 08:12.01 | gnarface | ARCADIVS: probably not but let me know if it does! |
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| 08:12.55 | benben159 | sephii, can you switch to virtual terminal by pressing ctrl+alt+f[2-6] |
| 08:13.04 | benben159 | when X freezes? |
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| 08:13.12 | benben159 | try it :D |
| 08:13.30 | ARCADIVS | I was hoping I could just move my kernels into the debian folder and grub-mkconfig would find it. |
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| 08:14.00 | ARCADIVS | If you have another distro installed you want its kernels in a separate folder. |
| 08:14.51 | sephii | benben159: nope, everything is really frozen. All i can do is press the power button to turn if off and on again |
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| 08:19.25 | arcsky | hello sometimes when i write something wrong in the terminal i get wierd chars , please take a look http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/terminalrov.jpg/ |
| 08:20.21 | gnarface | arcsky: are you gonna be ok? |
| 08:20.49 | arcsky | gnarface: ? |
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| 08:21.23 | Dewi | arcsky: you could avoid typing weird characters, if you want |
| 08:21.34 | Dewi | or keep typing them. It's up to you. |
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| 08:24.56 | ARCADIVS | I just tried booting into my Debian installation and got Grub error 15. |
| 08:24.59 | ARCADIVS | :| |
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| 08:31.13 | ARCADIVS | Anybody want to help me figure this out? |
| 08:32.25 | gnarface | ARCADIVS: what did google say? |
| 08:32.54 | ARCADIVS | Lots of stuff. I'm searching it vigorously. |
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| 08:36.16 | frikinz | ARCADIVS: Was there grub legacy before in the mbr? |
| 08:36.26 | ARCADIVS | Yes. |
| 08:37.12 | ARCADIVS | I just did a grub-install. I'm hoping that fixed it, but is there something else I should know, frikinz? |
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| 08:38.57 | frikinz | No, I wonder if grub2 stil has error code numbers. In this case it would mean that your getting this message from grub1. but its a long time I didn't run into problems with grub.. |
| 08:39.24 | ARCADIVS | Yeah maybe that's what happened. |
| 08:39.26 | frikinz | update-grub ; grub-install /dev/sdaX or whatever |
| 08:40.25 | ARCADIVS | You mean /dev/sda, right? You install grub to the device, not the partition, right? |
| 08:40.40 | frikinz | er yes |
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| 08:41.12 | ARCADIVS | I've made that mistake several times when manually typing out commands. |
| 08:42.03 | shtrb | how can I find what lib provide a missing directive for cmake ? I get Could NOT find SYNCEVOLUTION (missing: SYNCEVOLUTION_COMMON_LIBRARY SYNCEVOLUTION_DBUS_ |
| 08:42.08 | ARCADIVS | update-grub complains about not finding a list of partitions. I'm hoping it's harmless. I'm chrooted into Debian from Gentoo. |
| 08:42.23 | frikinz | and regarding your previous question, grub-probe (actually /etc/grub/10_linux) only looks for linux images in the root of /boot and not subdirs. So you could do a 11_mylinux and do a more detailed search (look at source of 10_linux) |
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| 08:43.33 | ARCADIVS | Thanks, frikinz :) |
| 08:43.49 | ARCADIVS | Attempting a reboot now. o_o |
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| 08:54.45 | jokerdino | hey guys, i need a little help with 404 error on sid updates. |
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| 08:55.43 | jokerdino | i get 404 on ftp.debian.org sid-updates/non-free amd64. so what should i edit my sources.list into? |
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| 08:57.00 | jokerdino | hm i am guessing there is no sid-updates. |
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| 08:58.57 | frikinz | good guess |
| 08:59.21 | frikinz | sid is in constant update :) |
| 08:59.24 | sherca | hi all, I am trying to use hostapd with a mini PC (wifi with rt3070), runing a Debian 2.6.32-5-686. lsmod shows that it is using rt2870sta. When hostapd is launched wlan0 is created. As well as mon.wlan0. IP settings seem correct. The SSID is broadcasted, other devices can see it. The issues : for wlan0 RX is always 0 byte (TX is growing); others devices can't connect (time out), even if a... |
| 08:59.26 | sherca | ...password is requested when hostpad is set to ask one. Can somebody help on this ? Thanks already |
| 08:59.36 | jokerdino | thanks frikinz. |
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| 09:00.06 | jokerdino | is the gnome-shell version in sid 3.4.2? |
| 09:00.20 | jokerdino | i was a little surprised debian's version is behind ubuntu's :\ |
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| 09:01.13 | joltcan | jokerdino: Well, Debian's relase cycle is much slower, so thats no news |
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| 09:04.35 | jokerdino | joltcan: i was of the opinion ubuntu imports from debian's repo. so obviously, i need to update myself on this |
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| 09:06.13 | pecisk | I'm on Squeeze...trying to enable Sid, but when I try to search for package which is in sid repo, I still get old version. apt-get update is done of course. What else can be wrong? I see severl Igored hits for apt-get update. |
| 09:06.29 | pecisk | ahhh |
| 09:06.38 | pecisk | dist-upgrade |
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| 09:07.23 | themill | pecisk: there's a reasonable chance on any given day that you can't sensibly upgrade from squeeze to sid. You should upgrade via wheezy. |
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| 09:12.48 | frikinz | jokerdino: http://www.loria.fr/~lnussbau/files/minidebconfparis2010-debian-ubuntu.pdf "Debian and Ubuntu" interaction, freeze, release cycle, etc.. |
| 09:13.02 | jokerdino | frikinz: thanks again |
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| 09:14.28 | jokerdino | so, ubuntu also pulls from upstream. that makes sense. |
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| 09:31.51 | redwarriors25 | may i ask the iso debian 6.06 it is ok to dl the part1 |
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| 09:32.35 | redwarriors25 | this one debian-6.0.6-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent or this debian-update-6.0.6-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 09:32.48 | Coweater | redwarriors25: usually the net install iso in recommended unless your machine won't have internet during install |
| 09:32.56 | code_ph0y | hey guys |
| 09:33.05 | redwarriors25 | i rather want dvd burn |
| 09:33.19 | redwarriors25 | this one debian-6.0.6-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent or this debian-update-6.0.6-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent is ok to download |
| 09:33.21 | code_ph0y | is there a place i can find info on support for wireless keyboard and mouse? |
| 09:33.25 | code_ph0y | debian 6 |
| 09:34.04 | code_ph0y | I don't wanna go out and buy one then it doesn't work kinda thing :S |
| 09:34.05 | code_ph0y | lol |
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| 09:35.12 | themill | redwarriors25: the "update" dvd contains only updates |
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| 09:36.33 | Coweater | code_ph0y: most wireless act as a normal usb keyboard and mouse |
| 09:37.12 | code_ph0y | nice so there will be support then? |
| 09:37.15 | redwarriors25 | ok ic |
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| 09:37.39 | redwarriors25 | that about this debian-6.0.6-i386-DVD-2.iso.torrent 1-8? |
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| 09:39.11 | themill | redwarriors25: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
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| 09:52.27 | nmschulte | Hi all. I've installed Debian Wheezy onto a BeagleBoard (TI OMAP 3530 ARMv7 Cortex-A8 CPU); the armhf port, not armel. Anyway, every now and then I'll see "/usr/sbin/cron" taking up 100% CPU. |
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| 09:52.44 | nmschulte | Both my user, and the root user's crontabs are empty. |
| 09:53.16 | nmschulte | Any ideas why that might be? |
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| 09:53.45 | Sm0ke0ut | also checked /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d/ ? |
| 09:54.14 | nmschulte | Sm0ke0ut: checking those now; thanks |
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| 09:56.43 | nmschulte | Sm0ke0ut: /etc/crontab has hourly/daily/weekly/monthly hooks, but this is running on the order of every minute. |
| 09:57.08 | nmschulte | Nothing in cron.d but '.placeholder', "DO NOT EDIT OR REMOVE" -- for dpkg -- only comments |
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| 10:01.09 | matlads1 | nmschulte: find out which user it is running as, then check that users crontab. |
| 10:01.33 | nmschulte | Sm0ke0ut: lsof on the cron process doesn't show anything crazy opened; /var/spool/cron, the bin and the libs, /dev/null 3 times, /run/cron.pid, /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive, and "/". |
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| 10:01.46 | nmschulte | matlads1: it's running as root, which I think is expected, right? |
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| 10:02.42 | woshty | how long will squeeze be serviced with updates after wheezy is released? |
| 10:02.58 | themill | !lifespan |
| 10:02.58 | dpkg | The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
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| 10:04.30 | woshty | themill: thx and eta for wheezy is most likely >1Y? |
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| 10:06.50 | themill | woshty: early next year at a guess |
| 10:07.00 | woshty | themill: k, thx |
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| 10:08.34 | nmschulte | the strange thing is that the process doesn't have any children... |
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| 10:10.00 | woshty | will kvm or virtualbox graphics be faster? |
| 10:10.13 | nmschulte | And it also seems related to using 'aptitude' -- a simple 'aptitude update' seems to cause the cron process to "eat" cpu |
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| 10:11.38 | nmschulte | but that could just be coincidental. |
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| 10:13.06 | ARCADIVS | When I attempt to boot into my lvm/encrypted root partition the automagically generated initramfs complains about missing lvm2 and dmcrypt modules, so I can't finish booting. I'm not used to such generous automagic configuration, so can anyone tell me how to make this automagically work? Automagic initramfs generation is all well and good, but I had a *my own* initramfs that the automagic initramfs generator |
| 10:13.08 | ARCADIVS | completely ignored and replaced with it's own. :| |
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| 10:13.59 | ARCADIVS | Please save me from the wizards of Debian. |
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| 10:14.23 | c0rnel | hello all |
| 10:15.18 | c0rnel | i'm trying to install squeeze on an old G3 powerpc mac, but it does not find the hard disk (western digital 40 GB PATA) |
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| 10:16.42 | ARCADIVS | c0rnel: I wonder if the live cd you're using has the correct modules for PATA installed in the kernel. |
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| 10:17.48 | ARCADIVS | If not you may need to roll your own live cd. |
| 10:18.05 | c0rnel | oh |
| 10:18.22 | c0rnel | there's no way to modprobe them during install time? |
| 10:18.35 | c0rnel | installer presents a list of modules ... |
| 10:18.52 | ARCADIVS | I don't know if it's there or not. It won't hurt to try and find it. |
| 10:19.06 | c0rnel | thank you |
| 10:19.08 | nmschulte | The system didn't have the date set properly; I'm going to assume this was confusing cron? |
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| 10:20.06 | ARCADIVS | That sounds like a way nmschulte. :) |
| 10:20.47 | zW | Hi. Is there a way to limit memory usage per user on linux ? |
| 10:20.48 | nmschulte | Still sounds like a bug, though. integer under/over flow issue. |
| 10:21.08 | zW | So I can say, user x is not allowed to use more memory then 300MB |
| 10:21.20 | ARCADIVS | frikinz: you wouldn't happen to still be there would you? :D |
| 10:21.21 | zW | _not_ based on processes. |
| 10:21.25 | nmschulte | zW: Unfortunately, I don't think the issue is that straight forward. |
| 10:21.36 | nmschulte | processes from different users can share libs, etc. |
| 10:21.42 | nmschulte | screwing up the "mem usage" count |
| 10:21.45 | Nurbs | I needed to patch a package and did apt-get source $PACKAGE; patch ...; dpkg-buildpackage ... This basically works fine, but aptitude wants to replace my version with the package mirror's version. Is there any way that I can tell it to prefer my local version or a simple way to adjust the package version of the package that I built? |
| 10:24.14 | babilen | Nurbs: The best way is to use "dch -l+local1" (or another suffix) to add a new entry to debian/changelog -- See "man dch" for details. Another way to deal with this is to "hold" the package, but that way you won't get new versions. |
| 10:24.23 | nmschulte | zW: apparently you can use "cgroups" -- http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34334/how-to-create-a-user-with-limited-ram-usage |
| 10:24.27 | nmschulte | zW: use your google-fu |
| 10:24.47 | babilen | Nurbs: If inclusion of the patch in Debian makes sense you might want to file a wishlist bug against the package. |
| 10:25.00 | babilen | !tell Nurbs -about hold |
| 10:25.22 | nmschulte | it looks like cgroups basically forces all user processes to run in a parent process (think: shell; without nohup and disown), and uses the restriction upon that parent process to enforce the "global process" memory limit. |
| 10:26.32 | nmschulte | ARCADIVS: cron process usage hasn't been touched since I got NTP working. Looks like it was some bug with unix epoch. |
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| 10:28.23 | babilen | Nurbs: You should note that if you use the +local1 suffix solution (which I recommend) your package will be replaced if a new version is uploaded. It is your responsibility to ensure that you keep "your" package up-to-date. |
| 10:29.12 | woshty | i am running wheezy .. somehow direct rendering on intel clarkdale seems to be broken .. glxinfo seg faults .. any ideas? |
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| 10:30.35 | nmschulte | woshty: check X.org log |
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| 10:31.40 | woshty | nmschulte: i did .. looks all very nice .. maybe i broke something .. |
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| 10:32.08 | woshty | nmschulte: i found a (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 10:32.20 | nmschulte | woshty: ldd `which glxinfo` |
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| 10:32.39 | nmschulte | woshty: did you have a proprietary driver installed at any point? |
| 10:32.51 | nmschulte | probably need to reinstall something like libmesa, etc. |
| 10:33.26 | woshty | nmschulte: jepp, amd/ati .. that was my suspicion also, but i thought i did that already .. will try it again |
| 10:34.02 | woshty | nmschulte: so mixing 3rd drivers and regular drivers is generally not possible? |
| 10:34.14 | nmschulte | woshty: "regular drivers"? |
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| 10:34.23 | woshty | nmschulte: the open source ones shipped |
| 10:34.31 | nmschulte | 3rd being 3rd party, and regular being "debian packaged"? |
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| 10:34.38 | nmschulte | (sorry, I read "3rd" as "3-D" |
| 10:34.49 | woshty | nmschulte: i am running a rather fragile multiseat setup with radeon and intel |
| 10:34.51 | nmschulte | Yeah, the problem is with libgl |
| 10:35.22 | nmschulte | there's only one copy, /usr/lib/libgl or such, and when you install proprietary drivers, they replace whatever is there with their own. |
| 10:35.42 | nmschulte | generally. it's a very well known problem, and the X.org and associated guys are working on a good long term solution |
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| 10:35.55 | nmschulte | I don't know what the short term one is, but I suspect one exists, and the folks here can help. |
| 10:35.59 | nmschulte | Perhaps not, though. |
| 10:36.21 | nmschulte | Whatever it is, it's probably very kludge and indecent, :). |
| 10:36.51 | woshty | nmschulte: so there is no workable way around that yet? i would really like to have the closed source amd driver because of 3d accel |
| 10:37.22 | nmschulte | woshty: I am by no means authoritative on the subject. |
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| 10:37.59 | nmschulte | woshty: I would ask others here (sorry for hijacking! I solved your problem though), or try #xorg (perhaps on OFTC and not freenode? I dn't remember). |
| 10:38.47 | woshty | nmschulte: thank you, yes, will fix it now i think .. go back to oss drivers for now .. and ask around |
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| 10:39.48 | woshty | amd and debian is annoying even without the libgl problems .. driver and X version not matching etc .. maybe i will switch to nvidia or sth as well |
| 10:39.48 | format_c | Hey guys |
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| 10:40.07 | Nurbs | babilen: Thanks for the info about dch. Thanks to "command-not-found" bash told me to install devscripts :-) I was previously holding, but I think forbid-version=installed-version also worked. I prefer to have it work with the changed version, though. Thanks! |
| 10:40.07 | nmschulte | woshty: yeah, that's an issue, especially if you're running sid. |
| 10:40.29 | woshty | nmschulte: whezzy, but i think it is the same problem |
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| 10:40.38 | ARCADIVS | I need to add modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and I need to make sure the names of the modules are correct. Where can I look? |
| 10:41.42 | Nurbs | babilen: The package version is not from an official Debian repository, I think I will wait for the upstream update of the package which fixes that. The Debian version of the package does not exhibit the behaviour for me. |
| 10:42.46 | Guest99948 | I have Gnome and KDE installed. The problem is with the terminal in KDE. It doesn't have a prompt, just black screen. I can not use it. Can it be fixed? |
| 10:44.11 | babilen | Nurbs: So essentially you are using unsupported third-party packages :) |
| 10:45.09 | Nurbs | babilen: Exactly. But that's better than maintaining my own version or using testing or unstable on the server. |
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| 10:45.54 | babilen | Nurbs: You know that you can quite easily backport packages yourself, don't you? (See "/msg dpkg ssb" and "/msg judd checkbackport PACKAGE" for information on this) |
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| 10:50.01 | Nurbs | babilen: This might admittedly make more sense once I have to start patching the packages. On the other hand, the packages that I use are already at 5.4.7 while unstable is only at 5.4.6. |
| 10:50.21 | babilen | Nurbs: Which package is this about? |
| 10:50.53 | Nurbs | babilen: PHP |
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| 10:51.28 | babilen | I knew it ... and you are using dotdeb? |
| 10:51.29 | ARCADIVS | I have lvm2 in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules but when I attempt to boot the kernel complains that the lvm module is not there at the initramfs stage. Why? |
| 10:51.33 | Nurbs | babilen: right. |
| 10:52.42 | babilen | Nurbs: Well, good luck with that. Backporting PHP is quite some work IIRC, but luckily I don't have to deal with PHP at all. |
| 10:53.00 | Nurbs | babilen: Indeed, lucky you. It's just ugly :) |
| 10:53.57 | Nurbs | You *want* the most recent version given all the things that won't work otherwise. |
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| 10:55.55 | Nurbs | I do imagine that debian might have patched PHP in unstable already given that I don't run into the same problems on my dev machine. |
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| 10:58.00 | dreamer | hmmm wth, I suddenly get grub error 22 on my squeeze install? (on a raid 10). it booted just fine yesterday (even rebooted a couple times). nothing changed in the setup .. |
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| 11:04.05 | frikinz | ARCADIVS: Yes I'm back. But I don't think I can help you with your problem, don't really remember how to do these things. But first of all, do you REALLY need to build your own kernel? You won't get support here for a self made kernel for example.. |
| 11:04.48 | frikinz | ARCADIVS: and is your module really into the initrd? AS A USER (not root!!) do this: mkdir -p /tmp/foo && cd /tmp/foo && zcat /boot/initrd.img-XXX | cpio -idv |
| 11:05.34 | frikinz | lvm.. isn't that better built directly in the kernel btw? |
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| 11:07.47 | DomeMaster | hello I'm trying to install gcc-multilib |
| 11:07.50 | DomeMaster | but I get |
| 11:07.51 | DomeMaster | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:07.52 | DomeMaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.52 | DomeMaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.06 | steve-dvb-master | hi |
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| 11:08.19 | DomeMaster | wow really getting kicked, I didn't know sorry |
| 11:08.51 | DomeMaster | anyway here is the output |
| 11:08.53 | DomeMaster | http://paste.debian.net/195714/ |
| 11:08.58 | DomeMaster | but I have gcc 4.7.1 |
| 11:09.25 | DomeMaster | anyone know what the problem is, or what I should investigate? |
| 11:09.37 | steve-dvb-master | i've a dvb (PCI) adapter. I know how to make it work on various distros. I only have to copy the firmware in /lib/modules and then i need to reboot. but: how can i make it work on a live system, like debian live? is there a way to make the system reload the firmware after i've copied the fw in the /lib/firmware directory? |
| 11:10.40 | frikinz | DomeMaster: give context: what release you are running and put the full output of aptitude not only the useless lines |
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| 11:11.27 | DomeMaster | ok thanks frikinz |
| 11:11.30 | DomeMaster | one sec |
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| 11:12.05 | woshty | harr, the fgrlx driver package left a blacklist radeon in modprobe.d |
| 11:12.25 | DomeMaster | there is full output with command |
| 11:12.25 | DomeMaster | http://paste.debian.net/195715/ |
| 11:12.32 | babilen | !tell DomeMaster -about bat |
| 11:12.56 | DomeMaster | Debian 2.30.2 |
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| 11:13.10 | frikinz | steve-dvb-master: maybe udevadm trigger |
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| 11:14.13 | babilen | DomeMaster: Could you show us your sources.list along with the output of "apt-cache policy gcc gcc-multilib gcc-4.4-multilib" please? |
| 11:14.43 | DomeMaster | ok one sec thanks |
| 11:15.24 | DomeMaster | ok running that command the output is http://paste.debian.net/195717/ |
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| 11:16.09 | babilen | DomeMaster: You have broken packages, what does "aptitude search ~b" give you? |
| 11:16.49 | DomeMaster | urm it gave me nothing |
| 11:16.55 | DomeMaster | it did something for a while, but the output didn't stay |
| 11:17.26 | DomeMaster | oh man I did mess around with my sources.list a while ago to get 4.7 working I think |
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| 11:17.58 | DomeMaster | this is my sources list |
| 11:17.58 | DomeMaster | http://paste.debian.net/195718/ |
| 11:18.06 | DomeMaster | I think I may have screwed up back then :( |
| 11:18.14 | DomeMaster | it was a while ago when I changed that file |
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| 11:18.48 | babilen | DomeMaster: Could you run: aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 11:19.00 | DomeMaster | ok |
| 11:19.09 | DomeMaster | syntax error ?not |
| 11:19.14 | DomeMaster | should I have the quotes? |
| 11:19.23 | babilen | sure |
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| 11:19.35 | DomeMaster | when I do that I get command not found |
| 11:19.40 | babilen | DomeMaster: And what do you mean by "mess around" and "to get 4.7" ? Did you install gcc-4.7 from testing and/or unstable? |
| 11:19.41 | DomeMaster | with the single quotes |
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| 11:19.46 | c0rnel | anybody knows how can i select the boot device on a Macintosh G3 400 ? |
| 11:20.06 | DomeMaster | I got it from wheezy |
| 11:20.06 | c0rnel | i have only a pc keyboard |
| 11:20.15 | thewanderer1h | I'm on Squeeze, the system is showing strange symptoms during high memory pressure conditions. I have 6 Iceweasel tabs running, each with some JS, images, and seldom bits of Flash. the disk is working all the time, and iotop shows high read throughputs... |
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| 11:20.31 | thewanderer1h | even though I have no swap defined! |
| 11:20.46 | babilen | DomeMaster: That command works -- Could you show me *your* command as well as its output. |
| 11:21.08 | DomeMaster | ok |
| 11:21.44 | thewanderer1h | so basically I'm trying to find out why my system's high memory pressure is producing lots of IO, or maybe what else is resulting in the IO |
| 11:21.45 | babilen | DomeMaster: Ok, given that you mixed releases your Debian is now broken. You should *never* mix stable with anything but backports. The most sensible course of action is either: 1. Reinstall and don't mess up again or 2. Upgrade complete to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
| 11:21.56 | DomeMaster | http://paste.debian.net/195719/ |
| 11:22.20 | DomeMaster | oh boy I thought it was my fault :( |
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| 11:22.34 | babilen | DomeMaster: The command is "aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" not "'?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" |
| 11:22.43 | DomeMaster | ok sorry |
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| 11:23.02 | thewanderer1h | for example, now I'm running under normal conditions (lots of free mem) - and there isn't any significant disk activity |
| 11:23.05 | DomeMaster | ok no output this time |
| 11:23.17 | DomeMaster | it did that funny quick output, but nothing left in the termainl |
| 11:23.22 | DomeMaster | terminal* |
| 11:23.26 | thewanderer1h | but when I get to the "100MB free/buffers" mark, stuff starts reading from the disk at 5MB/s, thrashing incredibly. |
| 11:23.48 | babilen | DomeMaster: What about "dpkg -l libc6 multiarch-support apt gcc-4.7" ? |
| 11:24.29 | DomeMaster | http://paste.debian.net/195720/ |
| 11:25.13 | babilen | !tell DomeMaster -about frankendebian |
| 11:25.16 | frikinz | thewanderer1h: disk not full? fsck -n returns no error? |
| 11:25.20 | oskie | DomeMaster: upgrade to wheezy and be happy IMHO |
| 11:25.26 | thewanderer1h | frikinz: the disk is not full, and the FS is alright |
| 11:25.35 | babilen | DomeMaster: Well, see what I said above. Is this a production box or just your personal playground? |
| 11:25.35 | thewanderer1h | why would that matter? |
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| 11:25.39 | DomeMaster | ok thanks for the help guys |
| 11:26.02 | DomeMaster | how do I upgrade to wheezy, should I just google it? |
| 11:26.08 | babilen | !tell DomeMaster -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:26.09 | DomeMaster | I don't want to get in more of a mess |
| 11:26.36 | DomeMaster | ok sweet |
| 11:26.38 | DomeMaster | ill do that thanks |
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| 11:27.14 | babilen | DomeMaster: But note that you are running a development release of Debian and that you *will* run into bugs/problems. |
| 11:27.25 | thewanderer1h | also, one thing is strange... kswapd is showing I/O activity in iotop under load, whereas it's completely inactive during norma use |
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| 11:27.40 | DomeMaster | ok - a reinstall sounds like a bit of a mission |
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| 11:27.59 | DomeMaster | can I keep my files unharmed if I do a reinstall? |
| 11:28.06 | thewanderer1h | so I think there is some inadverent "swapping" happening, even though I have no swap space defined... |
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| 11:28.29 | ARCADIVS | I can't seem to figure out why I'm getting the error "modprobe: module lvm2 not found in modules.dep" at boot. This error is fatal. I need lvm to boot. :( |
| 11:28.44 | steve-dvb-master | YES YES YES!!! it works great! udevadm trigger is the right one, thanks frikinz ! :) |
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| 11:29.54 | arcsky | hello got a question regarding screen. i connect to my shell with putty and type inside a screen window cat test.txt and it doesnt show my all the lines should be around 159 lines and i cant scroll it up... what could be the issue here? |
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| 11:30.25 | thewanderer1h | arcsky: putty |
| 11:30.29 | oskie | DomeMaster: 1) backup your files (most importantly /home I guess), 2) try upgrade to wheezy, 3) reinstall if upgrade failed |
| 11:30.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can you pb me the nvidia install oneliner with the kernel stuff? |
| 11:30.49 | ARCADIVS | arcsky: pipe it into less. |
| 11:31.23 | thewanderer1h | okay, so any ideas about memory pressure and why it causes lots of I/O? |
| 11:31.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | the sed one |
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| 11:32.13 | DomeMaster | ok cool willl do |
| 11:32.19 | ARCADIVS | arcsky: "cat test.txt | less" "less" can also be $PAGER. |
| 11:32.26 | DomeMaster | thanks for all the help |
| 11:32.40 | DomeMaster | by far and away the most support I've ever got from a chat room |
| 11:32.53 | ARCADIVS | arcsky: or if you like vim just "view test.txt" |
| 11:33.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | this one .. sed ’s,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,’‘ nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 11:33.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | but its broke or something.. |
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| 11:34.50 | Nurbs | arcsky: You can also do "less test.txt" or scroll up using screen in copy mode: C-a [ and scroll, then press ESC. |
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| 11:39.40 | frikinz | thewanderer1h: which kernel are you running? |
| 11:39.52 | thewanderer1h | frikinz: 3.6 |
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| 11:40.07 | frikinz | oh 3.6 is in the repo? |
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| 11:40.27 | thewanderer1h | enabled full preempt and optimization for Atom, amd64. the rest is copied from 3.2 Debian config (= almost all set to "m"). |
| 11:40.45 | arcsky | Nurbs: i want to be able to copy text from that file then i want to scrol up |
| 11:40.59 | thewanderer1h | it's my own compile... I used to use a Debian kernel, but the performance was even worse :/ |
| 11:41.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | can ya help me |
| 11:41.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/QIHI |
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| 11:42.54 | Nurbs | arcsky: There are a couple of tutorials on copying & pasting within screen around, just google for "screen copy paste". Also, the docs explain it in a more verbose way: http://web.mit.edu/gnu/doc/html/screen_11.html |
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| 11:43.52 | frikinz | thewanderer1h: humm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1055534 |
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| 11:43.58 | arcsky | Nurbs: thanks |
| 11:43.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | its a life saver |
| 11:44.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | screen copy |
| 11:44.08 | ARCADIVS | All right. I've given up on Debian automagically creating my initramfs, because it can't/won't do it right. How do I just give my custom kernel my custom initramfs like I wanted to do in the beginning? |
| 11:44.51 | thewanderer1h | frikinz: this may be another symptom of the same problem - I used to see disk thrashing on 3.1.0 as well. |
| 11:45.45 | ARCADIVS | So far I've only seen how Debian is more than willing to replace my initramfs with its own. |
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| 11:46.21 | thewanderer1h | ARCADIVS: what is Debian doing wrong in the process? |
| 11:46.49 | frikinz | grep initrd /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 11:48.34 | ARCADIVS | thewanderer1h: Here's my usual process: I put my initramfs in /usr/src/initramfs. I manually tell the kernel where that is when I'm doing "make menuconfig". Then I make and make install and everything would be fine except Debian replaces my initramfs with its own. |
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| 11:49.47 | ARCADIVS | frikinz: there is no kernel-img.conf |
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| 11:51.01 | thewanderer1h | hmm, it exists on my system |
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| 11:52.17 | ARCADIVS | I couldn't tell you why I don't have that. I've had to do a manual debian installation while running in Gentoo because last time I tried an installer cd, it couldn't handle existing encrypted partitions. |
| 11:52.45 | frikinz | because you didn't install ANY debian kernel package |
| 11:53.08 | ARCADIVS | Some things are probably broken/missing that the automagic installer would normally give me. No, I installed a linux package with aptitude. |
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| 11:54.23 | thewanderer1h | have you got initramfs-tools installed? |
| 11:55.01 | ARCADIVS | Yep. |
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| 11:55.57 | thewanderer1h | see update_initramfs=yes in /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf |
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| 11:56.13 | thewanderer1h | maybe that's what's causing initramfs to replace your custom image |
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| 11:56.28 | thewanderer1h | btw. you said you were having a problem with lvm2 not being loaded into the initramfs earlier... |
| 11:57.20 | ARCADIVS | Yeah and dm-crypt too. |
| 11:57.26 | thewanderer1h | if a module is missing, find out what it's called, then append its name to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 11:58.03 | thewanderer1h | this is not the perfect solution (I honestly don't know how the installer sets it up), but it has worked for a few people I helped |
| 11:58.09 | ARCADIVS | I have the modules in that file already, but it might help if I could check the names somehow to seem if they are spelled right. |
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| 11:58.26 | ARCADIVS | *to see if |
| 11:58.34 | thewanderer1h | if you manage to modprobe it at runtime, it's probably spelled right :P |
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| 12:00.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i found it~ |
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| 12:00.49 | thewanderer1h | btw. I don't know where the LVM config option went, but grep LVM /etc/config-$(uname -r) returns nothing on my kernel |
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| 12:02.00 | qdb | hello i have php-apc 3.1.3p1-2 in squeeze. in http://packages.debian.org/sid/php-apc i see other version - 3.1.13-1 should be ... why so ? |
| 12:02.14 | thewanderer1h | the module name is probably something counter-intuitive |
| 12:02.34 | frikinz | or its just dm |
| 12:02.46 | thewanderer1h | qdb: you're running Squeeze. you're looking at a package from Sid. |
| 12:02.47 | ARCADIVS | Well, thewanderer1h now that I know I can get a module listing in /lib/modules/3.2.23/modules.dep How do I get lvm in there? |
| 12:03.22 | qdb | thewanderer1thank you |
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| 12:04.06 | thewanderer1h | ARCADIVS: aha, it should normally be supported as long as you have dm_mod loaded |
| 12:04.21 | thewanderer1h | so it's dm_mod |
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| 12:05.19 | ARCADIVS | dm_mod? That should be /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
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| 12:05.29 | thewanderer1h | I think |
| 12:05.36 | thewanderer1h | and no "lvm2", since a module like that doesn't exist :P |
| 12:06.01 | ARCADIVS | That's not in my modules.dep though. It won't find it. Do I need to look for dm_mod while doing "make menuconfig"? |
| 12:06.32 | thewanderer1h | hmm, it should be provided by "Device mapper support" |
| 12:07.00 | thewanderer1h | the module might not exist if you have that set to "y" instead of "m" |
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| 12:07.06 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 12:07.24 | thewanderer1h | (in which case, the module would always be present, and thus the error is elsewhere...) |
| 12:07.30 | pzn | I need to discover where is my disk I/O bottleneck... help needed... any hints? http://pastebin.com/upS91SVL |
| 12:07.36 | Bartzy | I need to set permanently this: echo "975" > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth, can I do it with sysctl.conf, or there are some stuff it can't do ? |
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| 12:08.09 | ARCADIVS | thewanderer1h: yeah I just checked and it appears to be already compiled into my kernel. |
| 12:08.23 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: use sysfsutils |
| 12:08.27 | ARCADIVS | (Not as a module statically linked in.) |
| 12:08.44 | thewanderer1h | then the problem might be the userspace |
| 12:09.09 | ARCADIVS | Do I need to compile device mapper support as a module? |
| 12:09.20 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: sysfsutils is a better choice than just in rc.local ? |
| 12:09.28 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: yes :P |
| 12:09.36 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: Why? :P |
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| 12:09.42 | Bartzy | Just more organized ? |
| 12:09.48 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: exactly |
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| 12:10.09 | thewanderer1h | ARCADIVS: it should be fine as "y"... what exact error message do you get at boot? |
| 12:10.12 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Also - I have a SSD-only setup. I want to change the scheduler. Any difference if I do it with sysfsutils or in GRUB ? |
| 12:10.28 | Bartzy | I would prefer not to change GRUB stuff if I can do it with some more config stuff I'm doing in /sys anyway |
| 12:11.15 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: in sysfsutils, you can use any /sys paths - with kernel cmdline, you'd *have to* use a name such as sda, which can change over time |
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| 12:11.47 | thewanderer1h | and, if you're gonna have more sysfs settings, it's better to keep them all in one place, under control. |
| 12:11.54 | ARCADIVS | thewanderer1h: first the complaints about missing modules (as you know) and then I'm prompted with the cryptsetup passphrase input box which always fails. I assumed it had something to do with the missing modules. |
| 12:12.54 | thewanderer1h | hmm, then it looks like a missing dm_crypt |
| 12:14.00 | ARCADIVS | Aha! That one was disabled in my kernel config. |
| 12:14.12 | ARCADIVS | Thanks! |
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| 12:15.50 | babilen | .oO( Why are people putting up with errors like this if they could just use a Debian kernel? ) |
| 12:16.17 | frikinz | that was my initial question. I guess for learning |
| 12:16.38 | ARCADIVS | babilen: referring to me? |
| 12:17.02 | thewanderer1h | as far as custom kernels are concerned... if I disable swap in my config, should it help eliminate the CPU/IO load from kswapd0? |
| 12:17.11 | babilen | ARCADIVS: yes |
| 12:17.32 | thewanderer1h | cause now, I run into an I/O contention situation (5400rpm disk) every time the mem pressure is high |
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| 12:17.58 | thewanderer1h | GNOME becomes unresponsive, windows stop redrawing, disk suddenly starts reading/writing at 5MB/s (mostly reading) |
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| 12:18.08 | c0rnel | ARCADIVS, my problem was the jumper settings :) |
| 12:18.11 | frikinz | thewanderer1h: not sure if you will get an answer about what seems to me a bug in memory handling in the 3.6 kernel.. :) |
| 12:18.29 | thewanderer1h | frikinz: for reference, it was also present in 3.1... and quite possibly earlier |
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| 12:19.06 | c0rnel | ARCADIVS, but after i was unable to reach the "boot menu" or boot from cdrom, until i set cdrom drive as master and hdd as slave |
| 12:19.12 | thewanderer1h | I think kswapd0 is desperately trying to swap pages out, despite having no swap space... it's a loop, and it fails to acknowledge its own failure ;P |
| 12:19.37 | thewanderer1h | for now, I'll just disable swap support and recompile... |
| 12:20.01 | ARCADIVS | babilen: there's few things I like more than a good software wizard that does everything for me, but I already have an encrypted partition that I *can't* get rid of. Manual configuration is my only choice. Last time I tried a Debian installer it could not handle an already existing encrypted partition for root installation. |
| 12:20.42 | ARCADIVS | c0rnel: I'm glade you'll be getting a working operating system soon. |
| 12:20.55 | thewanderer1h | ARCADIVS: honestly, unless you have specific needs like me (messing around with memory management atm), the default kernels are just fine :P |
| 12:21.03 | babilen | ARCADIVS: Why does that prevent you from using a standard Debian kernel? |
| 12:21.13 | c0rnel | indeed, thank you, ARCADIVS |
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| 12:21.45 | ARCADIVS | babilen: I also installed one of those and it doesn't open my encrypted root partition. |
| 12:22.00 | c0rnel | now i'm thinking that i should've installed wheezy .... |
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| 12:22.49 | babilen | ARCADIVS: That would be a bug -- I am using LVM-on-LUKS for ages just fine ... Can you provide more information than "doesn't open" ? |
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| 12:23.07 | babilen | c0rnel: You can always upgrade to it -- "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
| 12:23.37 | c0rnel | thank you babilen |
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| 12:24.08 | ARCADIVS | babilen: I didn't try it many times, so I'm not even sure what the error messages said. |
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| 12:25.04 | ARCADIVS | I should be using my custom kernel just fine momentarily so I'm not too worried now. |
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| 12:25.55 | ARCADIVS | Do you realize how ridiculously bloated a generic kernel can be though? |
| 12:26.09 | ARCADIVS | It's just awful. |
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| 12:26.57 | thewanderer1h | to each his own... |
| 12:27.17 | haole | hey there... i'm trying to run dh-make-perl to make a debian package out of a CPAN module, but I need to pass some arguments to Makefile.PL... is there a way to do that with dh-make-perl? |
| 12:27.23 | ARCADIVS | I'm going to reboot now. |
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| 12:35.44 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Sorry for the long delay. What do you mean any /sys paths? I can set scheduler to be by default deadline, and not to a specific device ? |
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| 12:36.24 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: sure, you could set it globally. still, it's advised to do that using system config files, not grub... |
| 12:37.06 | thewanderer1h | unless there is no toggle for the default/global setting - then, the kernel cmdline comes in handy :P |
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| 12:38.06 | MagisterQuis | Is apt still the cool tool for package management? |
| 12:38.20 | Bartzy | MagisterQuis: Yes..? aptitude is cooler :) |
| 12:38.34 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Thanks :D |
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| 12:38.50 | MagisterQuis | Bartzy: Thanks. |
| 12:39.48 | babilen | MagisterQuis: You can use both and a lot of people do just that. I typically use apt-get for day-to-day administration unless I need some of aptitude's cool features. (interactive resolver, search functionality, ...) |
| 12:40.00 | MagisterQuis | Doesn't apt search? |
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| 12:40.10 | MagisterQuis | I'm a gentoo user. I just happen to have a VPS that runs debian. |
| 12:40.14 | MagisterQuis | It was that or ubuntu :( |
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| 12:41.57 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: I'm getting: Setting sysfs variables.../etc/init.d/sysfsutils: 71: cannot create /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth: Permission denied |
| 12:42.06 | Bartzy | When doing /etc/init.d/sysfsutils restart , after setting stuff in /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 12:42.15 | jelly | MagisterQuis: both apt and aptitude have use |
| 12:42.20 | babilen | MagisterQuis: You can search with "apt-cache search FOO", but aptitude's query functionality is vastly superiour. See http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html for example |
| 12:42.36 | jelly | babilen: s/superiour/complex/ |
| 12:42.54 | MagisterQuis | Woah. |
| 12:42.54 | MagisterQuis | Neat. |
| 12:43.11 | MagisterQuis | Still though, it's all binary packages… ;) |
| 12:43.23 | jelly | apt-cache search some string is typically Good Enough and searches thru package names and descriptions |
| 12:43.24 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: are you not doing it as root? |
| 12:43.26 | MagisterQuis | On the other hand, on a free VPS, that's all you have time for. |
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| 12:43.48 | MagisterQuis | jelly: It should be. I know what I want to install anyways. |
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| 12:43.52 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: I am. But this file (/sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth) has 444 permissions |
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| 12:44.14 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: and it works when you do it with echo from bash? |
| 12:44.24 | Bartzy | sec |
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| 12:44.43 | Bartzy | no, same permissions problem. |
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| 12:44.55 | babilen | MagisterQuis: As I said: I use apt-* most of the time unless I need another tool for something specific. (e.g. "All manually installed packages whose name begins with 'foo'") |
| 12:44.56 | thewanderer1h | what command are you executing, exactly? |
| 12:45.03 | Bartzy | echo "975" > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth |
| 12:45.10 | Bartzy | It's from LSI best practices for their RAID cards and SSDs. |
| 12:45.15 | Bartzy | http://kb.lsi.com/KnowledgebaseArticle16607.aspx |
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| 12:45.23 | Gregory__ | its possible to run a sendmail to local machine for test ? |
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| 12:45.48 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: what is the precise error message that you get when trying to echo "975" > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth ? |
| 12:46.25 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: -bash: /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth: Permission denied |
| 12:46.36 | thewanderer1h | are you root? |
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| 12:47.09 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Yes |
| 12:47.25 | thewanderer1h | well, it works for me, except that 975 is an invalid value! |
| 12:47.44 | Bartzy | Really? So maybe I should not follow any of their suggestions :\ |
| 12:47.51 | Bartzy | even though they made the card :p |
| 12:47.54 | Bartzy | -bash: echo: write error: Input/output error |
| 12:47.55 | abraao | hi all. im trying to use lun from a storage that my company got it, but having some troubles to create a disk device of it |
| 12:48.02 | Bartzy | I get that after trying to echo after doing chmod 644 |
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| 12:48.23 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: exactly... also, this file should have been 644 from the beginning |
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| 12:48.38 | thewanderer1h | that is not a valid value. valid values seem to be from 1 to 31... |
| 12:48.41 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: It's not for some reason - and this is a standard debian install. |
| 12:48.45 | abraao | i see "Attached scsi generic sg66 type 12" at my dmesg output, but no disks ("/dev/sd**") |
| 12:48.53 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: My default value from installation is 128 |
| 12:48.56 | abraao | someone can give me a clue? |
| 12:49.18 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: huh... if you cat the file, does it print 128? weirdness detected... |
| 12:49.51 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Yeah. |
| 12:50.02 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: According to stuff online, it can go above 31. |
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| 12:50.06 | Bartzy | http://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2004-February/msg00111.html |
| 12:50.16 | haole | hey there... in a trivial rules file (%: <line-break> dh $@) how do i pass arguments just to dh_auto_build? |
| 12:50.32 | thewanderer1h | well, it doesn't for me ;P |
| 12:51.27 | thewanderer1h | aha, it depends on nr_requests |
| 12:51.34 | thewanderer1h | you need to increase nr_requests first, I think. |
| 12:51.45 | MagisterQuis | Thanks for the help folks. |
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| 12:51.50 | babilen | haole: You probably want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- But you can override dh_auto_build -- See "man dh" and search for override |
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| 12:53.03 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Well, after changing nr_requests to 975 (as the KB says), and then changing permissions for queue_depth, I still get this when trying to set to 975: |
| 12:53.15 | Bartzy | -bash: echo: write error: Input/output error |
| 12:53.22 | Bartzy | This is not an "Invalid argument" error. |
| 12:53.31 | thewanderer1h | it means the same |
| 12:53.36 | haole | babilen: thanks |
| 12:53.37 | Bartzy | It's a "Can't find what you're looking for" error, isn't it ? |
| 12:53.54 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: the kernel devs can choose any return code for a function |
| 12:54.07 | thewanderer1h | so what it means depends on what the person writing this function had in mind ;P |
| 12:54.22 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: OK... |
| 12:54.27 | Bartzy | So do you have any idea why do I get this? |
| 12:54.40 | Bartzy | And if I should keep using 975 as nr_requests without queue_depth if I can't set it ? :\ |
| 12:54.42 | thewanderer1h | the value is probably invalid for your current configuration... |
| 12:55.03 | Bartzy | Also, do I need to change the scheduler and the other stuff for all the LVM devices I have too? Or only the (single) physical raid volume ? |
| 12:55.06 | thewanderer1h | now, I don't know how this works internally, but sure as hell I/O errors mean there is something wrong with the parameters |
| 12:55.24 | thewanderer1h | and I think you need to change the scheduler for all block devices you're using |
| 12:55.27 | aguitel | how restore pendrive to defaults settings ? thanks |
| 12:56.09 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Even the dm-0 dm-1? :\ |
| 12:56.40 | thewanderer1h | Bartzy: yes |
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| 13:02.28 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Are you sure? Why is that? |
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| 13:03.18 | thewanderer1h | because the scheduler operates on block devices that get accessed from userspace |
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| 13:03.43 | thewanderer1h | if there's any chance those would be touched by userspace, then do apply the scheduler to them :P |
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| 13:05.05 | Bartzy | and /dev/sda is only accessed from LVM (and /boot actually... but that is not that important) - so that means the scheduler doesn't really matter? :) |
| 13:05.09 | Bartzy | for sda, that is ? |
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| 13:06.40 | thewanderer1h | it is my understanding that it wouldn't really matter for /dev/sda if it's only used in-kernel... |
| 13:07.02 | thewanderer1h | since all writes would have been scheduled in the "upper layers" already |
| 13:07.30 | thewanderer1h | i.e. the scheduler essentially becomes a no-op, because it doesn't need to reschedule anything :P |
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| 13:10.49 | thewanderer1h | ok, let's test 3.6 with swap left out completely this time... |
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| 13:13.03 | Bartzy | OK, thakns thewanderer1h :) |
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| 13:15.03 | Bartzy | thewanderer1h: Sorry for bugging you, I understood why I can't write to queue_depth |
| 13:15.10 | Bartzy | because the driver of the raid card doesn't support NCQ. |
| 13:15.18 | Bartzy | Probably an old version - how can I check the version of a module ? |
| 13:15.22 | Bartzy | compiled module... |
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| 13:16.51 | kesroesweyth | Bartzy modinfo? |
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| 13:17.50 | Bartzy | version: 00.00.04.01 |
| 13:17.53 | Bartzy | That's the version? Weird :\ |
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| 13:20.15 | thewanderer1h | ok, I think I know what's happening... the system is evicting disk cache, and so all programs are now forced to resort to disk for their data |
| 13:20.25 | Bartzy | thanks kesroesweyth btw :) |
| 13:20.29 | thewanderer1h | thus the abnormal reads and thrashing... |
| 13:20.30 | kesroesweyth | Bartzy sure thing. |
| 13:21.15 | aguitel | i have pendrive booteable with linux ,when try to boot in pc it run fine,but when try in laptop it freeze ,(i try in different laptop) ,any tips ? |
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| 13:21.46 | kesroesweyth | aguitel we would need to know about the hardware in both machines |
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| 13:22.27 | kesroesweyth | I just got a job as a Linux Sysadmin at a local web hosting company! :D |
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| 13:22.36 | bullgard | aguitel: dmesg or dmesg.0 can probably tell you why. |
| 13:22.46 | thewanderer1h | I guess I'll limit the working set size to 800MB (got 1GB total) for user sessions, and see if that helps |
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| 13:22.57 | thewanderer1h | (don't want my cache to get evicted so soon...) |
| 13:23.20 | bmomjian | How do you use hdparm to turn off the write cache at boot time when removable drives are not installed? |
| 13:23.56 | bmomjian | do you use the hdparm setting when you pull out the drive from the cabinet? |
| 13:24.00 | aguitel | kesroesweyth, bullgard ,my question is how restore the pendrive to defaults factory settings ,coz in the beging it work in both devices |
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| 13:24.41 | alogeno_ITA | hi, in a perspective view it's safe to install dracut? debian uses (will use) udev? |
| 13:24.42 | kesroesweyth | aguitel how did you set it up originally? |
| 13:24.52 | alogeno_ITA | or should i stay with the old one |
| 13:25.17 | aguitel | kesroesweyth, with partitionmanager |
| 13:25.43 | kesroesweyth | aguitel if you want to go back to how it was set up when you first prepped the flash drive, why not just prep it again from scratch? |
| 13:25.44 | aguitel | kesroesweyth, i create and format to fat32 |
| 13:26.39 | kesroesweyth | afk |
| 13:27.02 | aguitel | kesroesweyth, any guide how do that for scratch |
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| 13:42.37 | no_gravity | Hello everybody! Do you know if I can connect a printer to an alice wlan modem and access it from the other computers? In other words - do wlan modems work as routers? |
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| 13:47.47 | joltcan | no_gravity: hard to say, each model is different |
| 13:47.57 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: If the modem gets a public IP, or one on your private lan, yes, that would work. |
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| 13:51.54 | mparodi_ | Hello |
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| 13:52.10 | mparodi_ | is there a way to know what executable a package created? |
| 13:52.27 | jhutchins_wk | mparodi_: dpkg -L <package> |
| 13:52.34 | wolf29 | I am trying to get an netwerk-solutions ssl cert installed on squeeze. Their documentation is awful. They expect me to have plesk. |
| 13:53.02 | mparodi_ | ok, thanks |
| 13:53.07 | oskie | wolf29: are you installing it for apache? |
| 13:53.22 | wolf29 | oskie: Yes, apache2 |
| 13:53.40 | oskie | wolf29: control question: do you have the private key? |
| 13:54.17 | wolf29 | I have a private key that I used to make the cert request, is that the one you mean? |
| 13:54.58 | AAYUSH | can I set a user's dir to /root/testing ? |
| 13:55.13 | wolf29 | oskie: I copied that key to /etc/ssl/private and chmodded it 600 |
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| 13:55.19 | oskie | wolf29: good, then you just need to place the cert in one file, intermediate etc in another, and point them out in the httpd cfg |
| 13:55.59 | wolf29 | They gave me several files but I do not know which one is which. |
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| 13:56.29 | wolf29 | AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt domainname.org.crt NetworkSolutions_CA.crt UTNAddTrustServer_CA.crt apache-plesk.txt |
| 13:56.29 | oskie | wolf29: you can use "openssl x509 -in FILE -text" to get more info on the cert files |
| 13:56.51 | wolf29 | oskie: thanks! |
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| 13:57.29 | oskie | wolf29: concat all but domainname.org.crt to get the final intermediate cert file (I think) |
| 13:58.13 | wolf29 | Is that then to be named domainname.pem? |
| 13:59.17 | oskie | wolf29: you can name the files anything you'd like, but domainname.pem probably refers to your certificate file, not the intermediate ones |
| 13:59.58 | oskie | wolf29: you don't need to place them in /etc/ssl, you can use any directory as long as the files are readable by the httpd |
| 14:00.35 | wolf29 | ok, thanks. |
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| 14:03.14 | wolf29 | oskie: would it cause problems to rename the domainname.crt file to what is already in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/virtualsite:https_stanza? |
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| 14:03.38 | wolf29 | or is it just better to edit the virtualsite file? |
| 14:03.46 | oskie | wolf29: I don't think there would be a problem renaming the file |
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| 14:04.44 | wolf29 | I am still getting certificate untrusted because issuer certificate is unknown |
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| 14:04.59 | wolf29 | on the browser test |
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| 14:06.05 | wolf29 | when I view the cert, the title is "Could not verify this certificate for unknown reasons" |
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| 14:08.31 | esing | Hi |
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| 14:08.41 | wolf29 | hi |
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| 14:08.52 | redwarriors25 | what is the counter part of lxde?? |
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| 14:09.02 | esing | hey wolf29 |
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| 14:09.26 | wolf29 | esing: are we having fun yet? |
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| 14:10.47 | esing | wolf29 Iam sorry, don't know what you mean |
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| 14:11.08 | wolf29 | esing: is your day going well? |
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| 14:11.32 | esing | wolf29 It could be better, but I always try my best |
| 14:11.37 | esing | wolf29 What about your day |
| 14:12.31 | wolf29 | esing: I am working on an ssl cert installation problem. Getting good advice, but still not clearing the issue. Otherwise, life is grand. |
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| 14:14.22 | AAYUSH | Could not chdir to home directory /root/vps/mta/mods/deathmatch/resources: Permi |
| 14:14.23 | AAYUSH | ssion denied |
| 14:14.23 | AAYUSH | -sh: /root/vps/mta/mods/deathmatch/resources/.profile: Permission denied |
| 14:14.23 | AAYUSH | admin@ks3100293:/$ |
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| 14:14.24 | wolf29 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.33 | AAYUSH | Oh sorry |
| 14:14.43 | AAYUSH | can anyone tell why this msg is comming? |
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| 14:15.42 | wolf29 | AAYUSH: are you trying to cd into a file :-) |
| 14:15.42 | cm13g09 | AAYUSH: it's possible that your user doesn't have read to /root |
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| 14:16.08 | cm13g09 | wolf29: looks like he's getting an error chdiring into the home folder |
| 14:16.15 | AAYUSH | cm13g09: how to add read perm to a user? |
| 14:16.20 | cm13g09 | followed by an error loding the .profile |
| 14:16.42 | cm13g09 | AAYUSH: do you really want another user to have read access to /root (it's generally not a good idea!) |
| 14:16.50 | jordanm | AAYUSH: my guess would be you put root specific stuff somewhere like /etc/profile |
| 14:17.00 | AAYUSH | I m installing proftpd FTP server D: |
| 14:17.22 | AAYUSH | and I cant add users with useradd cmd |
| 14:17.26 | AAYUSH | only ssh users work :/ |
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| 14:18.13 | AAYUSH | I would be really greatful if anyone tells me a Webpanel based FTP server which is good |
| 14:18.28 | oskie | wolf29: reload works most of the time in apache I think |
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| 14:19.25 | AAYUSH | cm13g09: U here? |
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| 14:19.54 | wolf29 | oskie: I still have some issue |
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| 14:21.34 | wolf29 | sokie: I always despise openssl when I screwed something up in the config |
| 14:21.49 | cm13g09 | AAYUSH: I am, but only sort-of |
| 14:21.55 | wolf29 | I do not use it enough to get good at it. |
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| 14:22.32 | cm13g09 | AAYUSH: Unfortuntately, I'm not a position at the moment to offer in-depth help as I'm midway through several assignments |
| 14:22.49 | AAYUSH | no problem |
| 14:23.09 | AAYUSH | can u just tell be a gui ftp server which is good? |
| 14:23.19 | AAYUSH | and has browser control panel |
| 14:23.22 | Rienzilla | hmm |
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| 14:23.27 | Rienzilla | this is stupid :) |
| 14:24.12 | cm13g09 | AAYUSH: most Linux FTP servers don't have a GUI |
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| 14:24.32 | cm13g09 | I suggest, as a starter, looking at, say, webmin |
| 14:24.40 | Nach0z | AAYUSH: If you can SSH into it you *might* be able to set up an NX server, but that's a bit of a kludge |
| 14:24.46 | AAYUSH | I have installed webmin and Proftpd is there but I dont know how to add users from that panel |
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| 14:25.21 | Nach0z | AAYUSH: webmin page -> System -> Users and Groups |
| 14:25.22 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: Updated the driver and now it's cool :D |
| 14:25.38 | Nach0z | "Create a new user" up at the top |
| 14:26.31 | AAYUSH | http://paste.debian.net/195760/ |
| 14:27.34 | AAYUSH | clicked create a new user |
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| 14:29.29 | Sevet | !tell AAYUSH about webmin |
| 14:29.30 | Sevet | !tell AAYUSH about free whcp |
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| 14:31.54 | Nach0z | weird |
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| 14:35.55 | d[^_^]b | hi there, i'm trying to use su -c and for some reason it's not letting me execute a shell or something |
| 14:36.18 | d[^_^]b | so i try su -c /bin/bash, or su -s /bin/bash and it just returns to the command prompt as the same user |
| 14:36.28 | d[^_^]b | even su -c visudo to try and edit sudo permissions doesn't work |
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| 14:38.06 | Nach0z | um |
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| 14:38.20 | Nach0z | d[^_^]b: does sudo -i work? |
| 14:38.23 | d[^_^]b | note; i defined a shell without using the full path and now 'su' doesn't work |
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| 14:38.40 | d[^_^]b | no, because it's not in sudoers |
| 14:38.49 | Nach0z | oh. yeah I got nothin then, sorry bud |
| 14:40.46 | damacus | does su -c id work? |
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| 14:41.46 | wolf29 | oskie: The solution ended up being concatenating all of the intermediate files into one, which I called domainname.pem, then going into the https stanza of my virtual site and adding the directive "SSLCertificateChainFile ssl/domainname.pem" |
| 14:41.52 | d[^_^]b | returns nothing |
| 14:42.21 | d[^_^]b | $? = return 127 |
| 14:42.21 | wolf29 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:43.43 | damacus | d[^_^]b: how about su -s /bin/sh -c id |
| 14:43.48 | oskie | wolf29: glad it worked out |
| 14:44.07 | d[^_^]b | nope :( |
| 14:44.23 | damacus | are you running squeeze? |
| 14:44.46 | damacus | if so, heres my su md5sum, care to confirm yours? |
| 14:44.47 | damacus | 6bfcc9ae2c94e55dcf09e84821d883b3 /bin/su |
| 14:45.00 | damacus | also maybe call /bin/su rather than just su |
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| 14:50.01 | d[^_^]b | cb697e6569feeacb720909c1f8e71f45 - running stable |
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| 14:50.54 | themill | the md5 is obviously going to vary between architectures too |
| 14:50.56 | zompix | hello, its my first time here, if i use a wrong channel please inform me! i use debian 6 from a couple of weeks now and i would like to know if it is possible to use irc with empathy client. |
| 14:51.22 | d[^_^]b | i686 |
| 14:51.41 | damacus | mine is also i6867 |
| 14:51.43 | damacus | -7 |
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| 14:52.31 | themill | i686 is not a debian architecture |
| 14:52.52 | d[^_^]b | ... |
| 14:52.56 | d[^_^]b | Linux DLC-GEN2 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 01:53:57 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:53.03 | themill | so that's i386 |
| 14:53.09 | damacus | i386, riight |
| 14:53.10 | d[^_^]b | semantics |
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| 14:53.36 | themill | d[^_^]b: um not really. not when people start trying to call amd64 i686 too |
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| 14:53.52 | d[^_^]b | i doubt this kernel would run on a 386 |
| 14:54.15 | themill | sure. neither would libc6. But look at the output of "dpkg --print-architecture" |
| 14:54.26 | themill | that being the actual piece of information that is relevant |
| 14:54.34 | d[^_^]b | if people are calling x86-64 "i686" then they have a unique problem unrelated to anything that we're trying to discuss here |
| 14:54.39 | d[^_^]b | you're just being pedantic |
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| 14:54.48 | damacus | i5686 and i386 are both 32bit kernels from the same arch, amd64 is 64 bit |
| 14:55.16 | damacus | while you are correct, i think its belaboring the point |
| 14:55.35 | themill | we still don't know what release this is supposed to be either |
| 14:55.45 | themill | oh, squeeze. |
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| 14:55.58 | themill | that's not a good md5sum for squeeze/i386 |
| 14:56.03 | d[^_^]b | you're being pretty defensive and in general i'd prefer you not try to "help" me, themill |
| 14:56.06 | d[^_^]b | thanks though |
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| 14:56.14 | damacus | d[^_^]b: i'm updating my packages, will check md5 again in a sec |
| 14:56.22 | d[^_^]b | i'm likely running an old version of su |
| 14:56.46 | themill | d[^_^]b: what's the output of "apt-cache policy login" |
| 14:56.57 | d[^_^]b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.59 | d[^_^]b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.10 | themill | that's not a great start |
| 14:57.15 | d[^_^]b | indeed |
| 14:57.38 | d[^_^]b | this is an old server that was managed by the previous admin, i haven't had a chance to eliminate his rubber bands and paperclips |
| 14:57.39 | jelly | the kernel architecture does not determine the userspace architecture -- you may have amd64 kernel running with either i386 or amd64 userspace |
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| 14:58.34 | themill | d[^_^]b: it sounds like it's half way through a lenny->squeeze upgrade. Would you have a broken PAM as a result? |
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| 14:59.07 | d[^_^]b | i didn't have any problems logging in or su'ing before i changed the shell |
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| 14:59.59 | themill | changed the shell? |
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| 15:00.13 | damacus | d[^_^]b: hopefully you have physical access to the machine -- you may need to reboot off a livecd/rescue and change it back |
| 15:00.40 | d[^_^]b | maybe its DRAC is plugged in |
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| 15:02.39 | Bartzy | themill: if I have a physical disk (sda) and LVM on top of it - should I change the scheduler for both the LVM devices and the physical device ? |
| 15:02.46 | Bartzy | Any idea? I'm getting mixed answers from the internets :) |
| 15:03.19 | jordanm | Bartzy: what is wrong with CFQ? |
| 15:03.25 | Bartzy | jordanm: I'm using SSDs |
| 15:05.08 | Bartzy | jordanm: Any idea? :) |
| 15:05.16 | AAYUSH | How to restrict users to their home dir? |
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| 15:07.44 | dementor | hy its posible to run debian ona HP t5520 ARM Procesor whit 128 ram ? |
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| 15:09.10 | damacus | AAYUSH: depending on what services you want to allow your users to use the ansewr varies from being simple to being impossible |
| 15:09.30 | AAYUSH | I moved a user to shell /bin/rbash |
| 15:09.46 | AAYUSH | but thats not allowing to open SFTP window |
| 15:10.03 | jordanm | Bartzy: I have never changed the I/O scheduler on LVM, so no |
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| 15:14.30 | kim-jong | hey folks, i have trouble installing asc |
| 15:14.34 | kim-jong | this is the errormsg i get |
| 15:14.35 | kim-jong | http://pastie.org/4902950 |
| 15:14.41 | kim-jong | but there's no kde installed :S |
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| 15:18.40 | nsadmin | kim-jong, hi (and welcome to debian support)... could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:19.07 | kim-jong | nsadmin: tyvm .. this is raspbian i have, i was referred to debian support |
| 15:19.34 | kim-jong | my sources.list says http://pastie.org/4902984 |
| 15:19.37 | themill | kim-jong: we can't and don't support raspbian here. Please ask the raspbian people not to do that |
| 15:19.40 | nsadmin | hmm... I don't know much about that |
| 15:19.42 | kim-jong | lol |
| 15:19.52 | themill | kim-jong: (they should know better...) |
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| 15:20.06 | nsadmin | that would be a typical kick msg) |
| 15:20.14 | jelly | !available |
| 15:20.15 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
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| 15:20.17 | joya | if one wants to, say, not have tools like cups autostarted, but merely start it with invoke-rc.d when needed, should one just manually delete the links in /etc/rc?.d/ or is there any special tool for it? |
| 15:20.50 | themill | kim-jong: I'd be slightly suspicious of your filesystem and/or SD card with messages like that |
| 15:20.58 | jelly | kim-jong: ^^ read and apply the above and hope for the best |
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| 15:21.06 | nsadmin | joya, you can use update-rc.d |
| 15:21.13 | kim-jong | dpkg: "dselect" not known |
| 15:21.14 | dpkg | no idea, kim-jong |
| 15:21.19 | jhutchins_wk | joya: You can turn it off with a tool like rcconf, then start it manually. |
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| 15:21.42 | jelly | kim-jong: I've seen at least one /var/lib/dpkg/status corruption on ras.pi in a different channel |
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| 15:22.09 | jhutchins_wk | joya: I'm in the habit of just executing the init.d script directly, /etc/init.d/cupsd start |
| 15:22.12 | nsadmin | you may or may not like using dselect... I'm an extreme example, I hated it until apt-get was born |
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| 15:22.22 | jelly | that was due to power loss |
| 15:22.43 | jelly | nsadmin: noone is suggesting actually using dselect |
| 15:22.46 | joya | jhutchins_wk: according to Debian Policy chapter 3, this is not the recommended way |
| 15:23.03 | joya | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 15:23.35 | joya | jhutchins_wk: sorry, I mean Debian Policy chapter 9.3 |
| 15:23.41 | frikinz | http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Problem_SD_Cards |
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| 15:24.15 | frikinz | kim-jong: ^^ |
| 15:24.23 | nsadmin | joya, are you familiar with the whole /etc/rc.d and init.d setup? |
| 15:24.32 | kim-jong | yeah, just read it ... seems apt is definitely broken now |
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| 15:24.59 | joya | nsadmin: no, I just recently read chapter 9 of the Debian policy and manpages of init tools |
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| 15:26.29 | themill | joya: update-rc.d is fine to use like that, but you should be using "disable" not "remove". See the man page paragraph starting "A common system administration error". |
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| 15:26.52 | kim-jong | hm, guess i'll have to pass on asc |
| 15:27.04 | kim-jong | thanks for the quick guides folks |
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| 15:29.04 | joya | themill: why should one not remove links when one always wants to start a specific service manually when needed? |
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| 15:29.34 | nsadmin | kim-jong, do you have your original raspberry os? |
| 15:29.34 | themill | joya: because the links will reappear on their own if they are missing |
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| 15:30.09 | kim-jong | nsadmin: you mean raspbian ? i had it run arch for a while but rolling release is no good for a server :S |
| 15:30.13 | Konsgn | man raspberry is awesome, im on irssi now via tethered smartphone |
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| 15:30.24 | joya | themill: ah right, is explained within what you referenced me to read ;) |
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| 15:31.15 | themill | joya: yeah |
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| 15:31.29 | nsadmin | kim-jong, your phoneis a server?? |
| 15:31.31 | kim-jong | hm dpkg's dselect trick seems to have worked :O |
| 15:31.39 | kim-jong | nsadmin: no, my raspberry is :D |
| 15:32.48 | nsadmin | confused |
| 15:33.14 | kim-jong | nsadmin: raspberry pi ... there's a phone named raspberry too ? |
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| 15:33.41 | themill | dpkg: tell nsadmin about raspberry pi |
| 15:33.46 | nsadmin | I think I got the wrong fruit |
| 15:34.01 | Bartzy | What is the difference between auto and allow-hotplug in the interfaces file ? |
| 15:35.10 | frikinz | Too bad standard debian will not work on the raspberry pi. Have to order one though. Here there's 3 to 5 weeks delay to get one RevB |
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| 15:35.26 | jelly | "Have to?" |
| 15:35.32 | nsadmin | Bartzy, I discovered that the main difference is that auto runs in foreground, and therefore boot does not proceed before auto interfaces are completely set up... allow-hotplug interfaces are set up in background |
| 15:36.01 | Bartzy | nsadmin: So for a server where network connectivity is a must (of course) - I should use auto ? |
| 15:36.02 | themill | frikinz: squeeze and wheezy work just fine on the rpi |
| 15:36.14 | jelly | frikinz: there are armhf-compatible 'droid sticks on the market for around $40 |
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| 15:36.21 | frikinz | themill: yes but just no FPU support from what I understood |
| 15:36.34 | themill | frikinz: the difference is minimal for many workloads |
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| 15:36.38 | frikinz | themill: although not a big deal |
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| 15:37.15 | themill | frikinz: it would be great if people would stop describing "not a big deal" as "will not work" ... |
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| 15:37.57 | frikinz | themill: yes. I already have an n800 which has no FPU and have had to move to integer only decoders for mp3 or ogg in xmms. but for example the equalizer calculations are too cpu intensive so not usable |
| 15:38.04 | kim-jong | you want something potent, i recommend the pandaboard |
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| 15:38.08 | nsadmin | bartzy, most likely. Here's how I discovered this... I "fore"ported an old package called ipmasq from lenny (from which it was dropped before squeeze was released), this involved making up the lsb headers which specify "when" ipmasq is to run |
| 15:38.11 | kim-jong | raspberry is neat but no real workhorse |
| 15:38.49 | kim-jong | kk, time to go home |
| 15:38.52 | Bartzy | nsadmin: Ah. So probably allow-hotplug is for laptops, where you don't always have network connectivity, and you don't want to make DHCP or whatever timeout before you can access the system ? |
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| 15:39.50 | themill | frikinz: playing mp3 and ogg works just fine under squeeze from my rpi. I just installed mplayer and let it happen. |
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| 15:40.00 | nsadmin | Bartzy, I'd say that's reasonable... before, I had been told "allow-hotplug iz gud" without knowing why,,, |
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| 15:40.08 | frikinz | what. everybody has one but not me! :) |
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| 15:40.29 | nsadmin | so everybody duznt haz one! |
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| 15:40.42 | frikinz | themill: so mp3 uses libmad maybe? or you are using software floating emulation? |
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| 15:41.13 | Desproges | Hi, does anyone know how to add a simple command return to logwatch ? I just want to add "cat /proc/mdstat" |
| 15:41.20 | themill | frikinz: nfc... whatever mplayer dragged in by itself. Can't say I did anything special. |
| 15:41.57 | jelly | frikinz: I ran mp3 decoding in realtime on a 50MHz sparcv7 ... a similar risc at 600MHz should bloody well do it without breaking a sweat |
| 15:42.03 | Desproges | the documentation speaks about perl, and service from /usr/sbin :s |
| 15:42.27 | Bartzy | nsadmin: Thanks! |
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| 15:42.31 | Wulf | Hi |
| 15:42.46 | nsadmin | on the other hand, if your laptop runs maybe a handful of stuff that needs the net up, then consider auto for the interfaces they bind to |
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| 15:43.10 | nsadmin | Bartzy, you're very welcome |
| 15:43.12 | Wulf | how can I disable optimization when recompiling a package? I.e. I want -O0 and not -O2. Looks like the package uses cdbs. |
| 15:43.38 | confusid | I'm poking around in my system and in /usr/bin I see thunar and Thunar same size just one with upper and other with lower case T. Can I delete one? |
| 15:43.40 | frikinz | I was the maintainer of xmms on n800 so I know that on this device, having ogg or an equalizer running would put the cpu at its limit... |
| 15:43.48 | nsadmin | Wulf, first: get the debianized source; then, look at the file debian/rules |
| 15:43.49 | Bartzy | I love the people in this channel :) Always helpful. |
| 15:43.53 | Wulf | nsadmin: done |
| 15:44.09 | frikinz | but the visuals would work nicely |
| 15:45.00 | Wulf | nsadmin: what comes next? |
| 15:47.02 | nsadmin | well, (thes are the same question really) does the package have configure? does debian/rules call configure? |
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| 15:47.35 | nsadmin | lots of times when there is a configure script, you can set options to gcc |
| 15:48.01 | nsadmin | if it just has a makefile and does not use auto*, look at the makefile |
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| 15:48.40 | nsadmin | one way it's done is to set the value of CFLAGS and/or LDFLAGS in the makefile |
| 15:48.48 | Wulf | nsadmin: the package has configure, it's called somewhere but not directly from debian/rules |
| 15:49.31 | nsadmin | ok take a look at the file that directly calls configure |
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| 15:50.01 | Wulf | nsadmin: I'm not sure where it is. I've not seen this "cdbs" before |
| 15:51.12 | nsadmin | ok, if you're not sure, what did you say about debian/rules again? |
| 15:51.32 | confusid | Does xfce install a version of thunar with it? |
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| 15:52.33 | wilee-nilee | confusid, should |
| 15:52.34 | babilen | confusid: Some of the xfce4 metapackages depend on thunar. See "apt-cache rdepends thunar" |
| 15:52.45 | jordanm | "xfce4" depends on it |
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| 15:53.02 | Wulf | nsadmin: debian/rules includes some cdbs files and sets some variables |
| 15:53.05 | jordanm | typically, you always want xfce4 and xfce4-goodies |
| 15:53.06 | confusid | I tried to install thunar but it said it was already installed so I went looking and found 2 installs of it. |
| 15:53.07 | nsadmin | confusid, I think so |
| 15:53.23 | jordanm | confusid: two installs or two menu entries? |
| 15:53.54 | confusid | one menu entrie but have /usr/bin/thunar and /usr/bin/Thunar same size files |
| 15:54.52 | jordanm | confusid: they are both provided by the thunar package |
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| 15:56.21 | nsadmin | Wulf, what vars are set? |
| 15:56.53 | nsadmin | I have to warn you... I have almost zero clue about cdbs except it's some kind of build system |
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| 15:57.07 | Wulf | nsadmin: http://codepad.org/4EOJ59pO |
| 15:57.14 | Wulf | nsadmin: that's debian/rules |
| 15:57.18 | confusid | jordanm: are both needed? they look like the same exe file. |
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| 15:58.05 | nsadmin | Wulf, mind referencing some of the lines? :) |
| 15:58.31 | awc737 | is there such thing as persistent IRC as a service, with irrc, and I can always ssh to? |
| 15:58.44 | nsadmin | nm, it's so short |
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| 15:59.52 | petemc | awc737: what is irrc? you can do what you want with a terminal irc client like irssi or weechat and screen |
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| 15:59.53 | sney | awc737: look at znc or irssi-proxy |
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| 16:00.43 | jbleau | Doing a dist-upgrade from stable to testing while in class on battery powre on my laptop. perhaps not a good idea. |
| 16:00.44 | nsadmin | ok, I can't tell at all from that how the configure script is called |
| 16:00.59 | awc737 | petemc, i'm wondering if theres an online service, like irc hosting |
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| 16:01.08 | jbleau | If my laptop shuts down halfway thru the dist upgrade install, which it may at this point, on a scale of 1-10 how boned am I, and how should I recover? |
| 16:01.09 | awc737 | and I can ssh into that, and it has irssi |
| 16:01.18 | petemc | awc737: irccloud |
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| 16:01.40 | jordanm | jbleau: depends on what stage its at, I would give it a blind 6 |
| 16:01.41 | petemc | irccloud is web based |
| 16:01.57 | awc737 | irccloud looks exactly what im after, except maybe not web based... |
| 16:01.59 | jbleau | jordanm, excellent |
| 16:02.02 | nsadmin | so if it is called, like you say it has to have been called from one of those includes |
| 16:02.11 | petemc | awc737: anyone that gives you shell access and a way to install apps like irssi can be used the way you describe |
| 16:02.19 | wilee-nilee | jbleau, If you are downloading you can stop it probably if installing you may be able to restart it, but not a smart move |
| 16:02.22 | jbleau | I guess I could just hibernate it. |
| 16:02.26 | jbleau | It's already installing :) |
| 16:02.27 | petemc | awc737: you could sign up for free aws tier and use that |
| 16:03.06 | nsadmin | and it must use some kind of defaults, there's no specificity about optimization or lack thereof |
| 16:03.08 | awc737 | install centos or something with aws tier and install irssi and ssh to it? |
| 16:03.21 | Wulf | nsadmin: yes, but I just can't find it |
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| 16:03.36 | Wulf | nsadmin: I read the cdbs docs, but nothing there helps me |
| 16:03.39 | Wulf | always uses -O2 |
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| 16:05.11 | awc737 | are there GUI irc clients that will ssh to a persistent irssi session? to get the gui benefits? |
| 16:05.27 | nsadmin | I am guessing here, but I think your best bet is to learn cdbs... look at the theory of operation or the introduction, then try to find exactly how and with what it feeds the compiler with the options |
| 16:05.57 | petemc | awc737: you can use a bouncer for that |
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| 16:06.08 | nsadmin | oh you did... so my guess is wrong, and the package is not swufficiently documented |
| 16:06.52 | awc737 | ok thanks |
| 16:07.34 | jordanm | cdbs seems to be getting phased out in favor of debhelper |
| 16:07.37 | jbleau | 35 minutes and we're on package python-gnome2, we may make it. :o) |
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| 16:08.01 | ZaSeal | helo boiz |
| 16:08.03 | ZaSeal | o/ |
| 16:08.07 | jbleau | \o |
| 16:08.22 | nsadmin | /\/\/\ |
| 16:08.24 | ZaSeal | so i blew up my debian last nite lol |
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| 16:08.33 | nsadmin | c4? |
| 16:08.38 | ZaSeal | by doing dist-upgrade |
| 16:08.42 | ZaSeal | looooooooooool |
| 16:08.45 | themill | jordanm: if only |
| 16:09.11 | ZaSeal | how come dist-up erases all my progs |
| 16:09.32 | ZaSeal | but first where do i get debian testing |
| 16:09.47 | ZaSeal | is there debian testing live? |
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| 16:10.07 | themill | ZaSeal: real output in a pastebin is necessary for anyone to know what you're talking about. Also, please try asking questions in one whole sentence rather than hitting enter after every 5 words. |
| 16:10.16 | nsadmin | what if you install stable base only, and upgrade just that much to testing |
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| 16:10.48 | ZaSeal | nsadmin: thats what ive been doing |
| 16:11.01 | ZaSeal | if im running 6.0.5 on kernal 3.2 |
| 16:11.06 | ZaSeal | where am i |
| 16:11.12 | nsadmin | there! |
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| 16:11.16 | ZaSeal | like what its called |
| 16:11.37 | nsadmin | 6.0,5 with the backport kernel? |
| 16:11.40 | ZaSeal | im using backports |
| 16:11.42 | ZaSeal | yes |
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| 16:11.56 | ZaSeal | bpo2 or something |
| 16:12.08 | nsadmin | so that's probably good enough name to call it |
| 16:12.26 | nsadmin | your uname -r will tell you |
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| 16:13.04 | ZaSeal | 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 16:13.23 | ZaSeal | but what stage on debian am i at? |
| 16:13.43 | nsadmin | now I have to back up, because themill wants to know stuff and I would also need to know what he's asking in order to know anything about what's going on... (but, so far so good) |
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| 16:14.37 | Wulf | nsadmin: found it. There's a command named "dpkg-buildflags". It provides some flags to the build system |
| 16:14.48 | nsadmin | ZaSeal, before you upgraded, you mention programs that debian has erased... were all of these from packages? |
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| 16:15.33 | nsadmin | Wulf, ahh :) if that's an executable, it should have a man page,,, if it has that AND it's well done, I'm wrong again :) |
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| 16:16.23 | Wulf | nsadmin: yes, there's a manpage and I managed to set my -O0 |
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| 16:16.55 | nsadmin | themill, thanks for the ras pi info |
| 16:17.14 | ZaSeal | yes |
| 16:17.18 | nsadmin | Wulf, oh, you did... great... was that all you needed? |
| 16:17.25 | Wulf | nsadmin: yes |
| 16:17.25 | ZaSeal | it basicly erased everything |
| 16:17.45 | Wulf | well, now I need to find the bug in the geoip lib :) |
| 16:17.47 | themill | ZaSeal: real output in a pastebin is the only way we can work out what you mean by that |
| 16:17.50 | nsadmin | ZaSeal, ok, could you pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:17.50 | ZaSeal | and i ended up with some very basic stuff |
| 16:17.56 | nsadmin | (in /etc/apt/) |
| 16:18.12 | ZaSeal | themill: i dont really want to go into it |
| 16:18.24 | ZaSeal | the system is done |
| 16:18.36 | ZaSeal | im need to start fresh anyways |
| 16:18.41 | themill | ... |
| 16:18.42 | nsadmin | so you mean you're going to try reinstalling? |
| 16:18.47 | ZaSeal | yes |
| 16:18.57 | ZaSeal | theres no way to recover from that |
| 16:19.09 | ZaSeal | i still have all the files |
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| 16:19.21 | nsadmin | so your not wanting to go into it comes from frustration moreorless? |
| 16:19.37 | ZaSeal | haha no cuz i m at work |
| 16:19.39 | confusid | Where would a proper install go to? |
| 16:19.48 | nsadmin | oh, I see |
| 16:19.54 | nsadmin | thanks for letting me know |
| 16:19.58 | confusid | /usr/bin ? 3rd party program I'm messing with |
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| 16:20.18 | ZaSeal | right now i just want to download debian wheezy |
| 16:20.34 | ZaSeal | i heard its about to be released |
| 16:20.48 | ZaSeal | and i want to use the beta2 |
| 16:21.05 | ZaSeal | is there a live usb version of debian 7 |
| 16:21.39 | nsadmin | confusid, if you're compiling something yourself (and not a debian package), you should not use /usr as prefix as debian "owns" that space... but not all of it, does not own /usr/local which -is- ok as a prefix |
| 16:21.57 | nsadmin | ZaSeal, |
| 16:22.01 | nsadmin | !live |
| 16:22.02 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 16:22.26 | confusid | nsadmin: ty! :) Here I go breakig things XD |
| 16:22.49 | nsadmin | confusid, does it have a configure? |
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| 16:23.08 | ZaSeal | confusid: ur not ready 4 za debiAn |
| 16:23.41 | ZaSeal | nsadmin: i know dooooooooooood i was asking if debian 7 beta is available in live |
| 16:24.07 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure the beta2 is the installer |
| 16:24.17 | ZaSeal | cool |
| 16:24.29 | confusid | nsadmin: I do not see a configure file. It is a unpack and use game |
| 16:24.38 | ZaSeal | can you show me the dl link |
| 16:24.40 | confusid | Not sure what za debian is. |
| 16:24.47 | nsadmin | and if you want to test and report your experinces with the installer, that would be great |
| 16:24.49 | ZaSeal | the one i found didnt work |
| 16:25.17 | ZaSeal | show me the .img i need for a usb stick |
| 16:25.53 | nsadmin | ZaSeal, dpkg should have given you a starting point to find the installers |
| 16:26.10 | themill | (there are no live images for wheezy yet) |
| 16:26.11 | ZaSeal | ? |
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| 16:26.33 | nsadmin | themill, so only netinsts? |
| 16:27.27 | themill | no, CD1 and DVD images exist too |
| 16:27.39 | ZaSeal | what the diff between iso and img |
| 16:27.49 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 16:27.57 | themill | ZaSeal: .img ? |
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| 16:28.33 | nsadmin | maybe an img is something you directly write to some media and it's not necessary an iso9660 filesystem |
| 16:28.46 | themill | nfc... but it's not anything debian uses |
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| 16:33.42 | awc737 | is there a list of common php5-modules i should apt-get with a new web server install? |
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| 16:36.23 | sliddjur | I put this script in my init.d http://pastebin.com/yTArhmXw .. chown to root:root and chmod ugo+x and then update-rc myscript defaults but it still only outputs startup of script. I then run shutdown -r, but i still dont get any output when it stops. only on boot. it works on ubuntu, but not on debian?! |
| 16:36.23 | nsadmin | awc737, the ones you need for your app :) |
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| 16:37.16 | awc737 | nsadmin, i'm not sure yet. im not building 'one' app |
| 16:37.31 | awc737 | its a web server. im curious if theres a list of commonly used extensions |
| 16:37.49 | nsadmin | one way, is read up on the app you want to use, and install what you need for that app |
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| 16:38.12 | awc737 | im not sure what this app is |
| 16:38.18 | awc737 | i build a lot of websites and apps |
| 16:38.56 | themill | dpkg: tell sliddjur about cross-post |
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| 16:39.14 | nsadmin | oh ok, and you just want to have a smattering of typical modules |
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| 16:39.44 | awc737 | yeah, i guess ill just do mysql and curl for now and research more when things break |
| 16:40.02 | nsadmin | spoken like a true php user :) |
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| 16:41.38 | canpolat | Hi. Is there a way to check that the apt proxy configuration is correct without downloading anything significant? |
| 16:41.50 | sliddjur | themill, sorry I thought it might have something to do with the raspberry pi itself on how it turns itself of/reboots but i wanted also to know if it has something to do with ubuntu-debian? |
| 16:41.50 | nsadmin | kidding... sortof... no offense, and I haven 't used php at all, but I see the complaints that come here, and the sum total of them suggests the language design and language development methodology leads to broken code every time a new php comes out |
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| 16:42.08 | awc737 | lol |
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| 16:42.25 | themill | sliddjur: well if you're using raspbian, you'd ask in #raspbian. If you're using debian, you'd ask in #debian. |
| 16:42.59 | awc737 | i guess that has generally been true, but php5+ is a lot more 'normal'. people just keep their predisposed opinions of php |
| 16:43.15 | G-Farkas | Hello, I have an strange (to me) network problem. I'm using two PCs. I wrote the /etc/network/interface file in one of them to get an static IP address. I copy this file to the other PC and only changed the address number. In the first PC all is ok. In the second PC now can connect to the router BUT can't go out to internet. Anyone can help me please? |
| 16:43.29 | awc737 | but with 5.4 and some nice frameworks (larevel), the language is just as elegant as ruby i'd say |
| 16:43.50 | nsadmin | awc737, again no offence meant. personally I use tcl/aolserver (these two names have some undeserved negative thoughts associated with them, but they actually rock :) |
| 16:43.51 | needle | G-Farkas: you have not default gateway set perhaps |
| 16:43.51 | themill | awc737: that's probably why I avoid ruby too |
| 16:44.24 | needle | G-Farkas: pastebin netstat -rn from your pc that does not work |
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| 16:45.00 | awc737 | haha, yeah anytime i hear aol, i have a flashback to the eighties in my head |
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| 16:45.13 | G-Farkas | needle, thanks for reply. I used gateway 192.168.0.1. I'll do. Even if I don't have Internet I can do ssh :) |
| 16:45.47 | wilee-nilee | awc737, the 80 big hair and fashion to forget. ;) |
| 16:45.57 | wilee-nilee | 80's* |
| 16:46.03 | awc737 | haha yup, thats aol in my mind |
| 16:46.32 | G-Farkas | needle, Here it is http://pastebin.com/bHUi146R |
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| 16:47.12 | Wulf | nsadmin: end of story: gethostbyname_r with "" argument as name. some libc function tries to access "" - 1. valgrind didn't complain in the real program because it uses a custom malloc |
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| 16:47.28 | needle | G-Farkas: routing is fine, can you traceroute f.e. 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 16:47.47 | needle | G-Farkas: however the loopback interface does not appear i notices 127/8 |
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| 16:48.13 | Jolein | hi everyone |
| 16:48.19 | canpolat | Hi. Is there a way to check that the apt proxy configuration is correct without downloading anything significant? |
| 16:48.30 | G-Farkas | needle, Excuse me. I don't understand what you say. ¿traceroute? |
| 16:48.37 | abrotman | canpolat: apt-get update ? or find a small package? |
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| 16:48.45 | abrotman | canpolat: robotfindskitten is tiny |
| 16:48.57 | needle | G-Farkas: traceroute is a application like ping is |
| 16:49.05 | nsadmin | awc737, I'm using a framework on top called openacs, which has a very well tested data model which allows most or all your database rows to be connected togeher in its object and permission system and (what I think is) a fantastic templating system |
| 16:49.15 | scottj | if I know I need the package that has libxslt/xslt.h, is there a faster way to get the package name than packages.debian.org? |
| 16:49.16 | Jolein | my sound cards keep switching places ..... 1 becomes 0 and 0 becomes 1 it apears to be random , this means i cant force one to be used couse the numbers keep switching , can anyone help ? |
| 16:49.17 | canpolat | abrotman: update may take a long time |
| 16:49.24 | abrotman | canpolat: see the second line |
| 16:49.32 | abrotman | !tell scottj about apt-file |
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| 16:49.41 | canpolat | abrotman: I'll check how long it takes to download robotfindskitten |
| 16:49.42 | G-Farkas | needle, I executed the netstat -rn in the PC that works and gave the same output. I'll try with traceroute |
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| 16:49.54 | nsadmin | scottj, that would be needed for building somethign |
| 16:50.03 | scottj | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:50.17 | Rienzilla | hmm anyone here know their way around wifi in debian? I am trying to make my linux machine an access point. I configured hostapd and the machine starts to act as an AP. Then I add the wlan interface in a bridge with my ethernet device and there is connectivity. Success, I thought, so I saved the configuration, and modified interfaces to reflect the new configuration. However, after booting the wlan interface is not added to the bridge. As it turns out, I |
| 16:50.34 | awc737 | nsadmin, what language is this? |
| 16:50.45 | needle | G-Farkas: if traceroute works (IP) so probably you are missing the /etc/resolv.conf configuriation on your pc, check that |
| 16:50.46 | AAYUSH | can we restrict user by letting them to upload and not download? |
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| 16:50.56 | abrotman | AAYUSH: in what? |
| 16:50.57 | nsadmin | awc737, tcl, sql, plpgsql for the most part |
| 16:51.00 | AAYUSH | debian |
| 16:51.09 | AAYUSH | in SFTP window |
| 16:51.10 | abrotman | AAYUSH: in what? |
| 16:51.43 | nsadmin | shell access is very difficult to restrict |
| 16:51.52 | abrotman | sftp is a shell ? |
| 16:52.04 | nsadmin | I'm just saying :P |
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| 16:52.15 | abrotman | AAYUSH: you could have a script monitor uploads and move them out of the way when they're not longer open ? |
| 16:52.17 | awc737 | nsadmin, and this is a PHP / Ruby substitute? (tcl?) |
| 16:52.29 | abrotman | awc737: wikipedia can tell you about TCL |
| 16:52.31 | nsadmin | not directly, |
| 16:53.03 | nsadmin | it uses somewhat different technology to do the things it does |
| 16:53.06 | G-Farkas | needle, The file exist but it is empty. I'll copy the values from the file of PC 1. :-D |
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| 16:53.14 | G-Farkas | needle, Thank you! |
| 16:53.17 | AAYUSH | I want some of my frds to upload Scripts to a game server but dont want them to download anything |
| 16:53.21 | needle | G-Farkas: you are welcome |
| 16:53.36 | nsadmin | it's a pluggable web application toolkit/framework |
| 16:53.54 | awc737 | crazy |
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| 16:54.12 | awc737 | i see |
| 16:54.28 | ZaSeal | ok i m jus gona netinstall debian 7 |
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| 16:54.42 | ZaSeal | i dont want to download 3 cds |
| 16:55.03 | ZaSeal | usually the usb iso is only 1Gig |
| 16:55.08 | needle | then use netinstall |
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| 16:55.18 | needle | if there is such cdrom |
| 16:55.19 | ZaSeal | ya buy netinstall takes forever to install |
| 16:55.30 | nsadmin | awc737, the templating system is a (core) plugin... demo: http://openacs.org/doc/acs-templating/ (and click on demo) |
| 16:55.34 | saban | hi. i changed dhcp to static ip.... but after some hours its changed back to dhcp? |
| 16:56.23 | needle | ZaSeal: then buy a set of CD-ROM's that are already with debian, then you do not need to download and do not need to use netinstall |
| 16:56.40 | ZaSeal | lol |
| 16:56.46 | ZaSeal | well ur no help mister |
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| 16:57.07 | needle | ZaSeal: you are not really looking for a solution mr |
| 16:57.25 | nsadmin | ZaSeal, get the beta2 wheezy netiinstall |
| 16:57.34 | nsadmin | for your desired arch |
| 16:57.53 | ZaSeal | nsadmin: i did |
| 16:58.15 | ZaSeal | but i wana live 1gig |
| 16:58.20 | nsadmin | oh ok... did you say you want to boot it from a usb? |
| 16:58.21 | ZaSeal | so much beta |
| 16:58.30 | ZaSeal | omg |
| 16:58.36 | ZaSeal | what is this 1970s |
| 16:58.37 | nsadmin | there's no live cd yet (so themill said) |
| 16:58.41 | ZaSeal | i kno |
| 16:58.45 | ZaSeal | :~~ |
| 16:59.01 | nsadmin | if you know, why are you asking for something you know doesn't exist? |
| 16:59.06 | ZaSeal | cuz |
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| 16:59.44 | themill | steals ZaSeal's enter key |
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| 17:02.05 | nsadmin | ZaSeal, you want to boot from usb? |
| 17:02.39 | nsadmin | oh that;s right, he has no enter key anymore |
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| 17:06.45 | nsadmin | saban, how did you change that? |
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| 17:08.19 | saban | nsadmin: ok i figure it out.. ther was a process running with dhcp.. i did reboot to check if the proccess will auto start and its gone now.. so the static ip works now... i changed ip in network/interfaces like i always do |
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| 17:10.19 | souffle | hello |
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| 17:10.44 | nsadmin | saban, ahh, I see... for that, if it's a local macine bring down its networkign before changing interfaces file |
| 17:11.03 | souffle | hi, i'm wondering if openvpn 2.3 beta is on any debian repository |
| 17:11.06 | nsadmin | if it's remote you have to be very careful |
| 17:11.08 | MarkS- | Hello, for a test I need a system with 32GB RAM to max. make 2GB available to linux to use for caching (read/write cache). Is there an option for this that doesn't require someone to really remove RAM from the system? |
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| 17:12.26 | nsadmin | you mean you want a machine with 30g ram (or a way to pretend that's so)? |
| 17:12.48 | nsadmin | , v openvpn |
| 17:12.49 | judd | Package: openvpn on i386 -- lenny: 2.1~rc11-1; squeeze: 2.1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2.2.1-8; wheezy: 2.2.1-8 |
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| 17:13.10 | nsadmin | souffle, hmm. doesn't look like it |
| 17:13.26 | saban | nsadmin: i usually do networkin restart.. but after new latest debian release networking restart doesnt work.. (service is restarted but not bringing eth0 up.. geaves an error) so i do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
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| 17:13.29 | MarkS- | nsadmin: the system has 32GB RAM, now I need it to see and use max. 2GB (or something similar small) |
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| 17:14.23 | nsadmin | MarkS-, howbout a virtual guest configured to use 2g? |
| 17:14.24 | jordanm | MarkS-: create a VM |
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| 17:15.10 | MarkS- | nsadmin and jordanm: a VM will give a speed penalty |
| 17:15.55 | damacus | depends on the CPU |
| 17:15.59 | jordanm | MarkS-: explain your real goal |
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| 17:17.10 | damacus | MarkS-: if you have a cpu with virtualization support and virtualize a modern install of linux with virtio, it's incredbily fast.. runs at practically bare-metal speed |
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| 17:19.09 | Rienzilla | hmm, what init scripts provide $time? |
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| 17:19.30 | nsadmin | maybe stuff like ntp (which needs network) |
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| 17:19.32 | txomon|nqas | hi, is there any way to send a bug report that doesn't involve mail? I would like to send it via web... |
| 17:19.35 | MarkS- | jordanm: we are testing some AOE storage from the system with 32GB RAM, however when we run a test it will first start at 60MB/sec and drop to 20MB/sec and the hardware vendor says it is caused by the amount of ram as they can only reproduce it with more than 30GB RAM |
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| 17:20.21 | jordanm | txomon|nqas: you can use webmail |
| 17:20.31 | Rienzilla | well, the thing is, I have a system with an application that depends on $time to start, but it gets started concurrently with ntp |
| 17:20.34 | Rienzilla | resulting in failure |
| 17:20.39 | txomon|nqas | jordanm, any tip? |
| 17:20.45 | jordanm | MarkS-: I would just pull out some sticks then |
| 17:21.07 | jordanm | txomon|nqas: have reportbug write to a file and then copy and paste it into a webmail client. send to submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 17:21.19 | format_c | Rienzilla: move your program after the startbof mtp. |
| 17:21.22 | nsadmin | txomon|nqas (you were given a coupla tips) why not mail tho? |
| 17:21.23 | format_c | Ntp |
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| 17:21.53 | txomon|nqas | nsadmin, because it is not working properly (delivery errors) on my machine |
| 17:21.53 | damacus | you dont even have to remove sticks |
| 17:21.53 | damacus | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-3.html |
| 17:21.53 | MarkS- | jordanm: that is difficult if the system is 200km away, but in that situation I will just do it when I'm there |
| 17:21.53 | damacus | set mem= in the grub settings |
| 17:21.57 | Konsgn | demarcus? |
| 17:21.58 | damacus | 3.3 |
| 17:22.18 | Rienzilla | format_c: that's what I'm trying to accomplish! |
| 17:22.25 | jordanm | MarkS-: if you have remote management like iLO or iDRAC, perhaps you can disable some RAM slots in the BIOS |
| 17:22.45 | damacus | jordanm: i think he can accomplish the memory ceiling using a kernel argument |
| 17:22.46 | jordanm | (if you don't, you should have an on-site tech) |
| 17:23.06 | Rienzilla | oh I think I got it |
| 17:23.13 | Rienzilla | /etc/insserv.conf has the mappings |
| 17:23.17 | fings | I've tried many flavors of linux and some bsd/solaris in the past as well ku/ubuntu for sure. but I'm wondering if there's any #fsf or similar flavor that someone would help recommend, as not a novice or expert, but intermediate. I'd appreciate it if you maybe could throw me a suggestion and a perhaps a link if there's something that you think could fit. ANy help is appreciated! |
| 17:23.45 | format_c | Just rename the symlink SXXyourprpg to something where XX is higher than that of the ntp symlink in /etc/rc.*d |
| 17:24.01 | Rienzilla | that won't do |
| 17:24.10 | format_c | Or use insserv |
| 17:24.28 | jordanm | fings: you mean a debian based distro that is recognized by the FSF as "free"? |
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| 17:25.31 | nsadmin | format_c, reaching into that by renaming could end up more trouble than it's worth... using insserv would be a good way to go, aka putting the lsb headers in there |
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| 17:25.45 | txomon|nqas | although I would like to use my real mail, not the one the machine creates |
| 17:25.59 | cassio | fings: http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html , gnewsense comes to mind if you mean what jordanm said |
| 17:26.25 | nsadmin | jordanm, that's an interesting relationship... it's like that escher painting with the stairs |
| 17:26.34 | fings | Jordanm, sorry i didnt come across, i try to come close to the license as possilbe i guess i meant |
| 17:26.44 | damacus | MarkS-: in /etc/default/grub, find GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX line if its there and add mem=28672m inside of it to limit to 28GB |
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| 17:26.55 | damacus | eg GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" mem=28672m " |
| 17:27.04 | damacus | and then run update-grub |
| 17:27.20 | dkr | fings: once you've made it to intermediate level and have tried several distros it seems to me that what distro you use should matter a whole lot less. just use debian and tweak whatever you want to be different. ;) |
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| 17:27.59 | jordanm | you can choose not to enable non-free, which AFAIK is the primary reason the FSF does not recognize debian as a free choice |
| 17:28.22 | fings | dkr you're probably right but you know its funny since I've never actually went the obvious route so i guess I was just trying to see what people thought :) |
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| 17:29.08 | MarkS- | damacus: I will do that |
| 17:29.14 | MarkS- | thanks for the idea with grub |
| 17:29.18 | RMSInterjection | eh imo simply the existence of a non-free repository doesnt make the OS non-free |
| 17:29.26 | nsadmin | jordanm, and the fsf is totally wrong... what it should do is divide it into two different things |
| 17:29.41 | dkr | yeah, that's kind of silly. you can add non-free stuff to anything |
| 17:29.42 | damacus | RMSInterjection: i think their problem was that the non-free was also hosted by debian and mentioend in the docs |
| 17:29.47 | fings | lol i'm sorry i mentioend the acronym lol |
| 17:29.59 | damacus | if the non-free sttuff was hosted off-debian and not prominent on the site, tehy'd be OK with it |
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| 17:30.04 | nsadmin | (fsf is just mad that debian doesn't think gnu is free in all cases, due to the "strategies" the fsf chooses to use) |
| 17:30.15 | RMSInterjection | ah I see. I still disagree with the logic behind it but I see where they're coming from |
| 17:30.19 | simonlnu | gfdl |
| 17:30.33 | damacus | I think that's unreasonable though since the non-free stuff is needed for some common hardware, and not making it easily avaialble is a disservice to the distribution and user-base |
| 17:30.45 | damacus | MarkS-: no prob, hope it works out for you |
| 17:30.51 | fings | fsf is extremely extremely like by the books to the ultra side of their definition |
| 17:31.00 | RMSInterjection | Non-free software can be easily installed on any distribution, so I don't get up in arms about it if a distribution offers a way to make it happen |
| 17:31.22 | nsadmin | damacus, gnu/fsf is pretty set in their ways |
| 17:31.27 | damacus | indeed |
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| 17:31.44 | fings | i agree with some of their points but i dont think i do with distributions |
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| 17:31.55 | fings | i mean, drm, etc |
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| 17:31.58 | nsadmin | they won 't listen, and if they do, you'll probably get an emotional rant from rms |
| 17:31.58 | abrotman | it's the way it is .. can't do anything about it |
| 17:31.58 | thewanderer1 | I'm running qemu-kvm-1.1.1+dfsg-1, and the wakeup count per second is very high (>1000). this is draining my laptop battery. why is KVM waking up so often? |
| 17:32.08 | cassio | damacus: yeah, I don't know why we have to install firmware separately to get hardware working |
| 17:32.19 | abrotman | !tell cassio about dfsg |
| 17:32.37 | netturu | can anybody tell me how to get wireless up and running on antix 12 |
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| 17:32.54 | abrotman | netturu: this channel is for Debian support |
| 17:32.59 | nsadmin | cassio, it's what the legal team thinks has to happen in order to be free |
| 17:33.04 | confusid | I installed virtualbox and virtualbox-ose and I get this :WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and the appropriate headers, most likely linux-headers-amd64. |
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| 17:33.08 | abrotman | netturu: try #mepis |
| 17:33.14 | nsadmin | or rather to have a free dist |
| 17:33.15 | netturu | thank you |
| 17:33.21 | abrotman | nsadmin: perhaps you should read the DFSG also .. |
| 17:33.29 | damacus | i think debian's methods are fine, and the most fair while staying true to their mission |
| 17:33.37 | nsadmin | has it changed? |
| 17:33.47 | damacus | in a practical sense though, i always prefer the firmware netinst |
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| 17:34.43 | fings | thanks for the light attitude it was actually pretty cool to talk to you guys and just get an outside opinion and i thank you |
| 17:34.50 | damacus | debian is less an issue than say clonezilla or other livecds that chose not to include firmware blobs and you have to take time to re-roll the initramfs with the right versions of the blobs |
| 17:35.15 | cassio | abrotman: I still think firmware should be an exception... at least it's simple enough to get it installed |
| 17:35.44 | nsadmin | cassio, the only problem with particular firmwares being their license |
| 17:35.46 | abrotman | cassio: you're welcome to start your own distro |
| 17:35.54 | damacus | lol noooooooo |
| 17:36.01 | abrotman | maybe this should be moved to #debian-offtopic .. |
| 17:36.06 | damacus | already have enough debian derivatives =) |
| 17:36.23 | simonlnu | YAD |
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| 17:43.08 | damacus | damn.. missed 2 for wheezy |
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| 17:53.36 | jbleau | score, dist-upgrade resumed happily from suspend to disk |
| 17:53.41 | jbleau | I was scurred. |
| 17:53.59 | ZaSeal | how come debian doesn have a good startupdiskmaker yet |
| 17:54.07 | ZaSeal | unetbootin is crap |
| 17:54.13 | ZaSeal | looks like poo |
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| 18:09.48 | sidewalk | libssl 1.0 coming soon to debian? :) |
| 18:09.57 | Sevet_ | yes |
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| 18:10.11 | Sevet_ | ,v libssl |
| 18:10.12 | judd | No package named 'libssl' was found in i386. |
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| 18:10.33 | Sevet_ | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
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| 18:11.34 | jelly-home | sidewalk: as soon as Debian 7 is released? |
| 18:11.48 | sidewalk | jelly-home: in a year? :) |
| 18:11.59 | jelly-home | something like that |
| 18:12.18 | Sevet_ | sooner if you help with bug squashing ;) |
| 18:12.46 | Sevet_ | as it'd be when the release blocking bugs are sorted |
| 18:12.59 | sidewalk | but i really want to help the folding@home team, but libssl1.0 is required for usage of the FAHClient |
| 18:13.07 | jelly-home | Sevet_: farnkly I don't believe in that "sooner if you help" thing any more |
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| 18:16.24 | Iridos | jelly-home, depends... at the beginning it's probably true... in the end it's mostly rather difficult licensing stuff and similar that's gotta be sorted out... and which just requires decisions from the maintainer where you can't do much about |
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| 18:16.38 | Sevet_ | sidewalk: try a slightly older version |
| 18:16.57 | sidewalk | Sevet_: does it support the graphical frontend? |
| 18:17.13 | simonlnu | whowhat? openssl? gui? heh |
| 18:18.58 | Iridos | I'm trying to connect to a wpa2 wireless network with my squeeze desktop at home... and the installed wicd network thingy failed... (says the pwd is incorrect) I guess some other network manager would do it... but hard to install one without internet what's probably the easiest way to get it to run? interfaces file? get packages from someplace else? |
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| 18:19.31 | Sevet_ | sidewalk: what version are you trying to use? |
| 18:19.39 | Sevet_ | fahclient_7.1.52_amd64.deb on their website depends on libssl0.9.8 |
| 18:20.10 | Sevet_ | which i assume is compatible with fahviewer_7.1.52_amd64.deb if that's the gui |
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| 18:20.52 | pmade | Iridos: does the network have a hidden SSID? I've seen that error before on networks that have hidden SSIDs. |
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| 18:22.41 | abrotman | Iridos: are you sure the driver supports it? |
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| 18:23.34 | sidewalk | Sevet_: it requires libssl.so.1.0.0 |
| 18:23.46 | Sevet_ | not on the version i just downloaded |
| 18:23.55 | Iridos | no, it's not hidden... but my maemo (debian clone) phone shows the correct name, the wicd shows some weird hex-looking string for the hostname |
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| 18:24.14 | Sevet_ | sidewalk: 'dpkg -I fahclient_7.1.52_amd64.deb' -> 'Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, libc6, bzip2, zlib1g, libexpat1, libssl0.9.8' |
| 18:24.24 | Iridos | abrotman, what do you mean... I used the wireless stick with wep at my parents home before... |
| 18:24.53 | Sevet_ | if that one's trying to load libssl.so.1.0.0 then the package is broken and you should let folding@home know |
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| 18:26.58 | pmade | Iridos: does `sudo iwlist scan' show the same weird hex name for the network? |
| 18:28.17 | sidewalk | Sevet_: indeed it requires libssl1.0, but it says that it depends on libssl0.9.8 |
| 18:28.23 | abrotman | Iridos: but not all drivers/firmware support wpa |
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| 18:28.40 | Iridos | pmade, no, that showed the normal name |
| 18:28.44 | G-Farkas | Hello. I have a problem when trying to mount an external file system via sshfs. I was not a problem till I use automatic authentication with ssh (using ssh-keygen and sshcopy_id). I get no error message but the directory where should be mounted is empty. Anyone can help? |
| 18:29.15 | Iridos | and I'm not at the machine now... as I got no internet... so only can try other stuff when I get back home |
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| 18:29.58 | abrotman | Iridos: do you know which driver the device uses? |
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| 18:30.14 | pmade | Iridos: I'd try manual configuration and see if you can get it working. If it works then you can try another network manager. |
| 18:30.30 | Iridos | hmm... I actually never set up wpa... the illusion of encryption that wep provides was usually enough (same as with locking your bike) |
| 18:31.04 | Iridos | abrotman, no... but will look up this evening, then can look up if that supports wpa if you tell me where |
| 18:31.19 | Iridos | I actually have 2 wireless usb sticks... can even take those here |
| 18:31.26 | pmade | Iridos: for putting packages on a USB stick and bringing them home try http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html |
| 18:31.36 | Iridos | (university uses some weird wpa2/pap authentification scheme, though) |
| 18:31.48 | FrostofSparta | G-Farkas: What is the command you are using the mount the filesystem |
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| 18:32.24 | Iridos | ok, thanks |
| 18:32.59 | Iridos | bah, seems I lost the usb-stick I had here yesterday or the day before, too :( |
| 18:33.15 | G-Farkas | Hello FrostofSparta, thanks for reply, right now, I'm using: mount /shared/phenom , (this is the directory where should be mounted and is specified in the fstab) |
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| 18:34.22 | FrostofSparta | G-Farkas: So from the local machine, you need something like this |
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| 18:34.33 | FrostofSparta | G-Farkas: sshfs -o idmap=user root@192.168.0.101:/home/backup /backup |
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| 18:35.14 | G-Farkas | FrostofSparta, In fstab I have: sshfs#phenom:/home/hernan /shared/phenom fuse uid=1003,gid=100,umask=0,allow_other,users 0 0 phenom is a short form a long dir, Im using "ssh phenom" to access to the external machine |
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| 18:35.27 | Sevet_ | sidewalk: examining FAHClient & FAHCoreWrapper you're right, i'd contact them and file a bug report |
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| 18:36.21 | FrostofSparta | G-Farkas: You should see if you can get it to mount with the command before setting in your fstab |
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| 18:37.22 | thewanderer1 | btw. something just occured to me... if users are capable of mounting FUSE fs, and the fs can present arbitrary content and permissions to the OS, it can also provide the user with SUID binaries, no? |
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| 18:37.46 | boudiccas | i'm trying to use the recent.c script as mentioned in bin/recent of http://planet.gnome.org/ by Fred Peters of todays post. I've saved it and coped it to /usr/bin/ but when i enter 'recent' into my terminal, it just says that command not found. do i need to reboot/restart please? |
| 18:38.12 | jelly-home | boudiccas: did you tell your shell to reread the PATH contents? |
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| 18:38.30 | boudiccas | jelly-home, no, how do i do that please? |
| 18:38.34 | jelly-home | boudiccas: hash -r, for bash |
| 18:38.43 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
| 18:38.45 | peterS | also, if you're talking about a file called "recent.c", it most likely is not a script, but a source file that needs to be compiled before you can run it |
| 18:38.46 | jelly-home | rehash for zsh |
| 18:38.49 | G-Farkas | FrostofSparta, I had a command there. Normally I what I did was: "mount -a" , this used to mount the filesystem after the entry of a password. Today I add some keys to avoid type passwords because I use ssh regulary. I tested that this connects ok with ssh, but the command "mount -a" didnt work anymore. |
| 18:39.02 | jelly-home | is assuming boudiccas knows what to do with C code |
| 18:39.16 | boudiccas | petersits a c compiled file, executable by all |
| 18:39.23 | peterS | also, Fred Peters highlights certain people who are not Fred Peters |
| 18:39.25 | Rienzilla | pff this sucks |
| 18:39.45 | jelly-home | haha |
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| 18:41.08 | abrotman | tells fred to change hisname |
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| 18:41.20 | jhutchins_wk | G-Farkas: Like he said, test using the specific mount command until you get the format correct. |
| 18:41.51 | jelly-home | peterS: I hate the android 4.1 release |
| 18:42.07 | peterS | oh? I'm not up on android technology |
| 18:42.14 | jelly-home | codename Jelly Bean |
| 18:42.19 | peterS | ahh (: |
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| 18:44.43 | sidewalk | so how does one find these folding@home people on the irc |
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| 18:45.37 | Kuloto | Hello. How to view list of packages which use particular package? (in my system) |
| 18:45.41 | peterS | maybe what we need is a distributed computation framework whose purpose is to locate folding@home people on irc |
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| 18:46.44 | peterS | Kuloto: I run aptitude interactively. find the package entry (scroll or search with "/"), hit Enter when you're on it. Then go down to the "Packages that depend on this one" section and expand it with the [ key |
| 18:47.15 | peterS | Kuloto: another approach is 'aptitude why {packagename}', but that doesn't show _all_ the dependencies, it just looks for at least _one_ reason something needs to be installed |
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| 18:49.38 | peterS | Kuloto: for example, on my system, 'aptitude why update-inetd' explains that slidentd depends on it. But the interactive 'aptitude' method makes it clear that I also have two other packages installed that depend on it, cups-bsd and openbsd-inetd. |
| 18:49.41 | remote | Kuloto: apt-get install apt-rdepends && apt-rdepends --build-depends <package name> |
| 18:49.57 | remote | that will list the packages that depend on <package name> |
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| 18:50.07 | jhutchins_wk | How do I set the secreensaver in xfce? |
| 18:50.29 | remote | jhutchins_wk: you can use xscreensaver, possibly start it via xfce's startup mechanism |
| 18:50.43 | remote | you can probably do it in .xinitrc actually |
| 18:50.52 | sidewalk | peterS: that would be swell! |
| 18:50.53 | peterS | remote: actually I think you've got it backwards. apt-rdepends shows forward dependencies - the 'r' means 'recursive', not 'reverse'. For reverse, see 'apt-cache rdepends'. |
| 18:51.16 | remote | jhutchins_wk: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XScreenSaver note that is not a distro-specific setup |
| 18:51.27 | peterS | remote: the problem with both apt-rdepends (in the one direction) and apt-cache rdepends (in the other direction) is that they don't show you specifically which of these packages you actually have installed. |
| 18:52.53 | remote | apt-cache rdepends libc6 | xargs dpkg -l | grep ^ii # does that do it? |
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| 18:53.43 | peterS | remote: hmmm, turns out apt-rdepends does have '-r' for reverse, and '-p' for print state, so you can 'apt-rdepends -r -p update-inetd | fgrep '[Installed]' |
| 18:54.21 | Kuloto | peterS: Thank you, I've tried search in aptitude. But for some reason it found only packages with -dbg in the end. |
| 18:54.21 | ZaSeal | umm |
| 18:54.30 | peterS | remote: ...but again, apt-rdepends is recursive, so you'll get indirect rdepends that way too |
| 18:54.34 | ZaSeal | so is debian 7 prety much usable |
| 18:54.39 | ZaSeal | or totaly not worth it |
| 18:54.47 | peterS | debian 7 is way better than debian vista |
| 18:54.50 | boudiccas | ZaSeal, i use it as a desktop |
| 18:54.51 | peterS | we all know that |
| 18:55.16 | ZaSeal | oh the nerdery |
| 18:55.24 | remote | right |
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| 18:56.08 | ZaSeal | boudiccas: wat do u think |
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| 18:56.29 | boudiccas | ZaSeal, sorry, what are you talking about? |
| 18:56.40 | boudiccas | !u |
| 18:56.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:56.47 | ZaSeal | d7 |
| 18:57.16 | ZaSeal | r u inept? |
| 18:57.29 | dkr | boudiccas: don't feed the trolls |
| 18:57.36 | boudiccas | ZaSeal, you'll hav eto be more explicit, so i'm sure of understanding what you're talking about |
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| 18:58.10 | ZaSeal | ok girls i dont have time to cover english 101 |
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| 19:01.34 | ZaSeal | will native nvidia drivers work on d7 |
| 19:02.09 | boudiccas | ZaSeal, there is no 'd7', it is known as 'wheezy' or 'testing' |
| 19:02.34 | ZaSeal | i get that genius |
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| 19:02.53 | abrotman | ZaSeal: if you want help, please try to be less abrasive |
| 19:03.07 | ZaSeal | can u friken answer a single question w out spawning into a tangent |
| 19:03.09 | babilen | ZaSeal: Yes, but it is not recommend. See "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" for the recommended way to install NVIDIA drivers. It also helps tremendously if you would be so kind to speak proper English and be nice to the helpers in here. |
| 19:03.39 | confusid | trying to apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl I get E: Unable to locate package ia32-libs-kde and ia32-libs-sdl is there a better way to try and run 32 bit programs on a 64? |
| 19:03.53 | abrotman | confusid: which version of Debian ? |
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| 19:04.07 | confusid | squeeze |
| 19:04.25 | confusid | uname -a |
| 19:04.25 | confusid | Linux porta 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 23 07:41:30 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:04.31 | abrotman | $/win 1 |
| 19:04.49 | confusid | I have the newer kernal and firm ware for nic and wifi installed rest is normal system |
| 19:04.51 | babilen | confusid: Where do you get the idea that ia32-libs-kde and ia32-libs-sdl exist in Debian? |
| 19:05.01 | hellowoooorld | hello guys.. can you help me with fstab? I have sdb1, I've configured rw,user in fstab.. I can mount the device as normal user, but I still can't write anything.. any solutions? |
| 19:05.04 | babilen | ,v ia32-libs-kde |
| 19:05.05 | judd | No package named 'ia32-libs-kde' was found in i386. |
| 19:06.10 | confusid | babilen: 4 game viewers I have tried to run all require 32 bit emulation and they say thats the most common thing neaded to work for Ubuntu and Debian based linuxes. |
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| 19:06.36 | abrotman | confusid: so why didn't you install 32bit Debian ? |
| 19:06.39 | abrotman | seems the logical idea |
| 19:06.45 | babilen | confusid: Those packages *might* exist in Ubuntu, but they are certainly not in Debian. |
| 19:07.03 | ZaSeal | confusid: you may just be out of luck |
| 19:07.13 | ZaSeal | unlike ubuntu debian likes to keep it clean |
| 19:07.21 | confusid | ok.. ty! |
| 19:07.34 | confusid | Could use wine >< lol |
| 19:07.36 | ZaSeal | there are some 32 libs for 64 |
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| 19:07.52 | ZaSeal | but ive also come across ur issue |
| 19:08.00 | abrotman | !wud |
| 19:08.00 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 19:08.13 | ZaSeal | but thats exactly why ubuntu is bloated |
| 19:08.18 | abrotman | confusid: you could also try a 32bit VM on top of your 64bit OS |
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| 19:08.41 | abrotman | confusid: or even a 32bit chroot |
| 19:08.44 | babilen | fwiw, I also can't find them in (current) Ubuntu releases |
| 19:09.01 | confusid | I've tried a couple kvm options and I'm able to get them running.. have errors and not able to track down the issues.. still googling on them |
| 19:09.12 | remote | !u > ZaSeal |
| 19:09.24 | abrotman | wrong bot .. |
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| 19:10.14 | ZaSeal | abrotman: im not even talking anymore lol |
| 19:10.41 | abrotman | i wasn't the one tha ttried to send it to you |
| 19:10.46 | abrotman | lolololololol |
| 19:10.53 | remote | !lol |
| 19:10.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 19:11.11 | RMSInterjection | lol |
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| 19:11.14 | ZaSeal | !omg |
| 19:11.14 | dpkg | i guess omg is Oh My God, or what people say when they see a printed copy of the <CORBA> specifications: "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". |
| 19:11.16 | abrotman | SDNWOTW |
| 19:11.27 | hellowoooorld | hello guys.. can you help me with fstab? I have sdb1, I've configured rw,user in fstab.. I can mount the device as normal user, but I still can't write anything.. any solutions? |
| 19:11.42 | damacus | chmod to be writable |
| 19:11.52 | abrotman | hellowoooorld: ls -ld /mount/point/ |
| 19:11.56 | damacus | user just allows users to mount/unmount, but permissions on the dev still matter AFAIK |
| 19:12.26 | remote | WWGFD? |
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| 19:12.49 | abrotman | can't wait for monday .. |
| 19:12.57 | babilen | hellowoooorld: Could you show us your fstab, along with the output of "mount" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 19:15.29 | hellowoooorld | I tried a chmod 777 /dev/sdb1 but still nothing.. here's my fstab http://pastebin.com/RLjKgKDE |
| 19:16.16 | ZaSeal | hahaha |
| 19:16.22 | xand | what. |
| 19:16.41 | toothrot | i'm having a little trouble with my laptop's keyboard layout.. most of the characters work, but when using some of the punctuation/special keys the input doesn't end up matching |
| 19:16.43 | damacus | dont chmod the device itself |
| 19:16.44 | xand | hellowoooorld: it is commented out |
| 19:16.48 | damacus | chmod it after its mounted |
| 19:16.50 | damacus | as root |
| 19:16.55 | xand | and don't chmod that |
| 19:16.59 | damacus | also better yet chown to your user |
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| 19:17.07 | hellowoooorld | I'm SORRY damacous, this is the right fstab: http://pastebin.com/wwFWUip8 |
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| 19:17.28 | damacus | ? |
| 19:17.39 | confusid | could this be due to user land restrictions? (insufficient resources for operation) |
| 19:17.53 | abrotman | hellowoooorld: i said the mount point .. not the device |
| 19:17.53 | babilen | hellowoooorld: What kind of device is that and how do you plan to use it? And could you please use http://paste.debian.net or another pastebin that is *not* pastebin.com |
| 19:18.05 | hellowoooorld | I'm working with ssh and the first fstab it's from arch linux.. the second one is correct: this :http://pastebin.com/wwFWUip8 |
| 19:18.17 | xand | what's wrong with pastebin.com? |
| 19:18.26 | abrotman | xand: ads and such |
| 19:18.36 | xand | oh, I don't see those :) |
| 19:18.47 | abrotman | though, i say, just dont' click the links if that's your issue .. |
| 19:19.29 | toothrot | nevermind! figured it out... sorry for the noise |
| 19:19.38 | hellowoooorld | ok, problem solved. I have typed chmod 777 /media/folder (that is the mountpoint) |
| 19:19.56 | abrotman | hellowoooorld: good, enjoy |
| 19:20.07 | ZaSeal | yes |
| 19:20.18 | hellowoooorld | thanks abrotman, you saved me a lot of time |
| 19:20.25 | ZaSeal | and me |
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| 19:20.46 | hellowoooorld | ps: for the ads on the internet I suggest ad block plus, a firefox's extension |
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| 19:21.28 | abrotman | or .. ignore then ? |
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| 19:22.22 | hellowoooorld | yes of course you can ignore them.. but with ABP or something like that, navigation is faster and less annoying (especially for me that I have a 640kbit) |
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| 19:23.52 | hellowoooorld | anyway, can you suggest me a way to remotely manage rtorrent without setting up an apache server?? thanks |
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| 19:25.51 | abrotman | hellowoooorld: screen + your console tool |
| 19:25.55 | abrotman | like rtorrtent |
| 19:26.01 | abrotman | but spelled correctly |
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| 19:26.28 | thewanderer1 | I think there's also a client called transmission, that can put up its own HTTP server if configured to |
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| 19:28.04 | hellowoooorld | thanks abrotman, at the moment I'm using screen + rtorrent. I found pyroTorrent which is written in python.. |
| 19:28.41 | hellowoooorld | thewanderer1, thanks but I haven't X installed |
| 19:28.56 | thewanderer1 | then it's screen for you :P |
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| 19:29.50 | hellowoooorld | I think it's the only solution! Be minimalist ;) |
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| 19:55.41 | tamatmatm | Someone here has gone through this problem to mount pen drive only as root, and even trying to edit the fstab to mount and ride, but still can not access the files? |
| 19:56.38 | tamatmatm | my pendrive is in /dev/sdb1 2048 7825407 3911680 b W95 FAT32 |
| 19:56.54 | damacus | is the physical rw switch set to ro? |
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| 19:57.19 | tamatmatm | /dev/sdb1 /mnt/pen1 vfat noauto,user,umask=0077 0 0 |
| 19:57.24 | tamatmatm | in fstab |
| 19:57.47 | tamatmatm | with sudo sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/pen not work |
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| 19:57.56 | tamatmatm | this work only root |
| 19:58.09 | tamatmatm | but is need run as user |
| 19:58.50 | tamatmatm | how to solve this? i search in google and not found soluction |
| 20:00.21 | tamatmatm | anyone know? |
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| 20:01.12 | cassio | tamatmatm: what are the permissions of /mnt/pen ? |
| 20:01.14 | nmschulte | I'm trying to use a pythong script that uses 'gi.repository'; specifically Notify and GObject (libnotify and libglib). I'm getting an import error; no module 'gi.repository'. |
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| 20:01.28 | nmschulte | I have python-gobject installed, along with all of its depends, and I'm still not having any luck. |
| 20:02.41 | tamatmatm | ls -l total 12 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Dez 31 1969 pen drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Abr 18 2011 pen1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Out 2 23:03 usb |
| 20:03.24 | tamatmatm | executed ls -l in /msn |
| 20:03.26 | tamatmatm | mnt* |
| 20:04.16 | tamatmatm | cassio? |
| 20:04.33 | cassio | tamatmatm: yes |
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| 20:04.56 | tamatmatm | this permission above |
| 20:05.20 | tamatmatm | how solve? |
| 20:05.43 | cassio | tamatmatm: can you post the output to pastebin so its more readable? |
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| 20:06.16 | tamatmatm | ok |
| 20:07.02 | tamatmatm | here http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DeHKEEC8 |
| 20:07.05 | ner0x | Debian should have postgresql-9.1 correct? If I do not, what would be the reason? |
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| 20:08.05 | cassio | tamatmatm: chown youruser.youruser pen1 |
| 20:08.44 | cassio | tamatmatm: you probably want chown -R youruser.youruser pen1/ also |
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| 20:08.53 | hellyeah | heyt |
| 20:09.03 | hellyeah | i like debian-unity more thats awesome |
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| 20:10.20 | tamatmatm | sudo chown -R strategy.strategy pen1 |
| 20:10.28 | tamatmatm | this not work |
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| 20:10.59 | thewanderer1 | tamatmatm: umount the pendrive, now mount with options: uid=1000,gid=1000 # or whatever your UID/GID are |
| 20:11.00 | cassio | tamatmatm: what do you mean? are you logged as user strategy and still cannot access the files after changing ownership as root? |
| 20:12.01 | jbleau | I'm currently running debian latest testing, and there's a package in experimental that I want. If I add the repository to my sources, how can I maintain that I only want this package from experimental, and keep the rest of my system in testing when I do things like apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:12.05 | tamatmatm | # chown -R strategy.strategy pen/ |
| 20:12.13 | schultza | i want to make an ubuntu like live-usb/iso that uses the online repositories for installation... live for the multiple driver support... installer with online repository for starting with a bigger package group than what the CD can handle... |
| 20:12.24 | schultza | debian edition,, not ubuntu |
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| 20:12.51 | tamatmatm | I get that the operation is not permitted, even as root. |
| 20:13.24 | cassio | tamatmatm: what error do you get? |
| 20:13.40 | tamatmatm | is this: operation is not permitted |
| 20:13.51 | tamatmatm | i run as root |
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| 20:16.52 | cassio | tamatmatm: try mounting the drive again as thewanderer1 said |
| 20:17.13 | tamatmatm | yes, i try |
| 20:17.20 | tamatmatm | but this error continue |
| 20:17.38 | cassio | are you running selinux? |
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| 20:18.10 | tamatmatm | debian |
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| 20:19.33 | cassio | tamatmatm: I know. selinux is not a distro, it's an implementation of access control. if you dont know about it and you installed the system then probably you dont have it |
| 20:20.18 | thewanderer1 | cassio: can you paste your output from `mount`, what you are trying to do, and the exact error afterwards, to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 20:21.27 | Spec | So, I have a sudoers entry to allow a user to run a single script, /usr/local/bin/test.sh as root with NOPASSWD:. This works fine, but I want it to use root's env when it runs the script (including umask setting). When I call "sudo -i /usr/local/bin/test.sh", however, it asks for a password. How can I accomplish this? |
| 20:21.34 | cassio | thewanderer1: tamatmatm is the one having issues |
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| 20:22.09 | ner0x | Someone could have just mentioned backports. |
| 20:22.14 | thewanderer1 | cassio: oops. ENICK. |
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| 20:23.27 | tamatmatm | thewanderer1 my pendrive work only root |
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| 20:23.51 | tamatmatm | i try edit fstab, mount and only root have permissions |
| 20:23.56 | thewanderer1 | tamatmatm: ok, can you still paste the info I requested to the site? |
| 20:24.15 | tamatmatm | ok |
| 20:24.24 | tamatmatm | /dev/sdc1 2048 7825407 3911680 b W95 FAT32 |
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| 20:24.39 | tamatmatm | is where pendrive is |
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| 20:25.58 | tamatmatm | /etc/fstab i edit with /dev/sdc1 /mnt/pen1 vfat noauto,user,umask=0077 0 0 |
| 20:26.42 | tamatmatm | also #mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/pen1 also not work for me |
| 20:26.44 | LtL | tamatmatm: umask=0022 might work |
| 20:27.19 | schultza | how do i make an installer script i have on a live usb install packages from the online repository instead of the local packages on the usb? |
| 20:27.23 | tamatmatm | i try umsak=0022 but not work |
| 20:27.47 | tamatmatm | /dev/sdc1 /mnt/pen1 vfat noauto,user,umask=0022 0 0 |
| 20:29.24 | LtL | tamatmatm: try chmod 777 /mnt/pen1 |
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| 20:32.35 | tamatmatm | ok |
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| 20:32.56 | LtL | tamatmatm: umask=0 may be persistent |
| 20:33.19 | tamatmatm | files of pendrive not apear |
| 20:34.07 | LtL | tamatmatm: try chmod 777 -R /mnt/pen1 |
| 20:34.45 | tamatmatm | i try and not work |
| 20:36.41 | LtL | tamatmatm: and chown -R user.user /mnt/pen1 doesn't work either? |
| 20:36.51 | tamatmatm | yes |
| 20:37.30 | woshty | why is there no wdm in squeeze? |
| 20:37.43 | LtL | tamatmatm: dmesg |grep -i selinux |
| 20:37.51 | tamatmatm | the problem can not be / dev/sdc1? |
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| 20:38.58 | tamatmatm | dmesg |grep -i selinux? not received no output from this command |
| 20:39.37 | LtL | tamatmatm: hmm |
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| 20:40.38 | tamatmatm | apt-get install selinux? |
| 20:40.40 | LtL | tamatmatm: try mounting with the -t vfat option |
| 20:40.43 | thewanderer1 | tamatmatm: I told you, you need to mount with appropriate uid and gid options |
| 20:40.43 | LtL | tamatmatm: NO |
| 20:41.11 | thewanderer1 | umount /dev/sdc1 && mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sdc /mnt/pen1 |
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| 20:41.44 | tamatmatm | umount: /dev/sdc1: não montado |
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| 20:41.56 | cihhan | Hi all! I need to make some changes in xentop.c for additional features we want. However, (I'm using Debian) I cant find xenstat library. So, I need to compile it again? I couldn't find the library files in any packages. Do you have any suggestions? |
| 20:42.15 | tamatmatm | this is ouput |
| 20:42.17 | joobie | guys what is the ip route command that shows the counters against each route? so i can see the number of packets that matched the route?? |
| 20:42.18 | tamatmatm | output |
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| 20:43.19 | thewanderer1 | tamatmatm: try only the second part, then... mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sdc /mnt/pen1 |
| 20:43.43 | tamatmatm | mount: você precisa especificar o tipo do sistema de arquivos |
| 20:43.59 | thewanderer1 | yeah yeah, give it -t vfat |
| 20:44.06 | tamatmatm | the translation is: you need to specify the type of the file system |
| 20:44.13 | thewanderer1 | (shouldn't it detect it itself, anyway?) |
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| 20:44.43 | tamatmatm | mount -o -t vfat uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sdc /mnt/pen1? |
| 20:44.58 | LtL | thewanderer1: you would think so, and uid gid oughta work too |
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| 20:45.14 | BW^- | installing debian on a PCI-E SSD, you do this by dmraid=true and all is fine? |
| 20:45.16 | BW^- | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 20:46.08 | thewanderer1 | mount -t vfat -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sdc /mnt/pen1 # note how the order matters |
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| 20:46.16 | LtL | tamatmatm: mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/pen1 or use uid/gid also |
| 20:46.26 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: why dmraid? O.o |
| 20:46.33 | LtL | tamatmatm: what thewanderer1 said :) |
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| 20:47.00 | BW^- | thewanderer1: any better thought? the ordinary installer does not do it by itself |
| 20:47.12 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: do *what*? |
| 20:47.41 | tamatmatm | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MdpUa8Kg |
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| 20:48.08 | BW^- | thewanderer1: use an USB stick to install Debian on a system whose main and only storage medium is a PCI-E SSD namely a Revodrive 3 |
| 20:48.35 | LtL | tamatmatm: use sdc1 provided it exists |
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| 20:48.48 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: but what does this have to do with fake RAID? |
| 20:49.08 | tamatmatm | mount -t vfat -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/pen1 |
| 20:49.12 | tamatmatm | also not work |
| 20:50.06 | nsadmin | tamatmatm does it work without the -o? |
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| 20:50.35 | tamatmatm | no |
| 20:50.47 | thewanderer1 | tamatmatm: you have typed /dev/sdc - this won't work... look at your paste. use /dev/sdc1. |
| 20:51.42 | tamatmatm | typed / dev/sdc1 and it did not work. |
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| 20:51.52 | tamatmatm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.38 | BW^- | thewanderer1: i believe you're right. apparentl this is a tricky card, requires some kernel patch, http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?95151-Linux-patch-support-for-RevoDrive3-RevoDrive3-X2-zDrive-R4 |
| 20:53.39 | blubberdiblub | tamatmatm, maybe it's not vfat filesystem? maybe it was formatted as ntfs? |
| 20:53.43 | tamatmatm | my kernel is Linux debian 3.2.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Mon Jul 23 03:50:34 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:54.15 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: crap. I was going to use this for my ZFS cache on OpenIndiana... not gonna happen ;P |
| 20:54.32 | thewanderer1 | tamatmatm: what was the kernel message? |
| 20:54.44 | thewanderer1 | read it out by `dmesg | tail` |
| 20:54.55 | BW^- | thewanderer1: hmm. are you sure it's not supported? |
| 20:55.28 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: sure? not. but if it requires a kernel patch on Linux... oh well |
| 20:55.50 | tamatmatm | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6uPvfLcp |
| 20:55.52 | blubberdiblub | tamatmatm, i think fat filesystems only support sizes up to 8GB. if it's larger than that, it's quite likely you're dealing with some other filesystem |
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| 20:56.58 | blubberdiblub | tamatmatm, try "file -s /dev/sdc1" on it to detect the used filesystem |
| 20:57.00 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: aha, the patch is trivial, only some PCI IDs |
| 20:57.47 | thewanderer1 | tamatmatm: there's something wrong with the filesystem on the pendrive... try fsck.vfat /dev/sdc1 |
| 20:58.32 | blubberdiblub | thewanderer1, please have tamatmatm detect the actual filesystem on the pen drive first |
| 20:58.42 | tamatmatm | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=id5VTAHJ |
| 20:59.27 | thewanderer1 | see? totally vfat :P |
| 20:59.30 | blubberdiblub | okay, it's actually vfat |
| 20:59.33 | blubberdiblub | yup |
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| 21:00.52 | blubberdiblub | i wouldn't trust mkdosfs, tho. mformat creates more compatible fat filesystems. will not work without properly set up mtools.conf, tho |
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| 21:02.02 | thewanderer1 | fsck.vfat actually works pretty well for most cases |
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| 21:02.43 | blubberdiblub | yup, that's a link to dosfsck. dosfsck is pretty neat |
| 21:07.06 | tamatmatm | strange that only root can read the files |
| 21:07.44 | LtL | tamatmatm: my thoughts exactly |
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| 21:08.24 | BW^- | thewanderer1: really.. how would you do to make this drive spin on Linux? |
| 21:08.27 | BW^- | \debian\ |
| 21:08.30 | BW^- | incl at install time |
| 21:08.39 | LtL | tamatmatm: how did you mount this time? |
| 21:08.44 | BW^- | we put dmraid=true and that made the harddrive finding step work |
| 21:08.51 | BW^- | but when it gets to the volumes step, it stops |
| 21:09.13 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: first of all, dmraid is not what you want |
| 21:09.19 | tamatmatm | with root? |
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| 21:09.28 | tamatmatm | i see with file manager |
| 21:09.41 | freestat1 | hi there |
| 21:11.16 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: if I were you, I would build a custom system with the newest possible kernel, boot that off a pendrive (or off another machine that you'll put the drive into), and install manually using debootstrap |
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| 21:11.51 | BW^- | thewanderer1: wow. that sounds pretty complex. is there any way i could do it easier? |
| 21:12.03 | BW^- | i mean, we don't have a debian install to start with even |
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| 21:12.55 | thewanderer1 | well, going for the bleeding edge was your choice... :P |
| 21:12.57 | LtL | tamatmatm: my last suggestion in fstab, mount /dev/sdc1 -t vfat /mnt/pen1 auto user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 21:13.19 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: you could try the testing Debian-Installer, maybe it has this patch integrated |
| 21:13.32 | BW^- | thewanderer1: where is it? |
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| 21:14.03 | BW^- | thewanderer1: so this one, "netinst amd64"? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:14.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok peeps i need the previous linux image linux-image-2.6.32-4 to install. |
| 21:14.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | got to go back cant use this new kernel.. |
| 21:14.25 | tamatmatm | my sistem is 1386 |
| 21:14.27 | tamatmatm | 32 x |
| 21:14.27 | BW^- | thewanderer1: can i get it to actually install sqeeze so i get like a provenly safe system, just benefit of the kernel from that one? |
| 21:14.57 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: maybe... |
| 21:15.05 | LtL | tamatmatm: i'm thinking /etc/mtab pr /proc/mounts is messing you up |
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| 21:16.11 | BW^- | thewanderer1: how much time would it take someone knowledgable with skills like you have to prepare a squeeze installer but with newest kernel (that's what you proposed right?)? |
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| 21:16.40 | thewanderer1 | I'd do a manual install... shouldn't be hard. a few hours. |
| 21:16.53 | BW^- | thewanderer1: maybe i could just open the .ISO file and replace the vmlinuz file ?? |
| 21:16.58 | BW^- | thewanderer1: what do you say? |
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| 21:17.14 | BW^- | hmm |
| 21:17.31 | BW^- | thewanderer1: maybe just using the newest testing debian, ought be safe enough? |
| 21:17.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats what i tought |
| 21:18.02 | BW^- | k |
| 21:18.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | safe from errors, most of the hassel.. |
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| 21:18.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | boy was i wrong, |
| 21:18.13 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: should be ok |
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| 21:18.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | xbmc is borked now. |
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| 21:18.37 | BW^- | eryn_1983_fl: so it shouldb e safe enoguH? |
| 21:18.40 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: apart from the fact that you'll be installing Wheezy, not stable ;P |
| 21:18.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 21:19.11 | thewanderer1 | I often do installs on laptops where I need to manually debootstrap from a system with a newer kernel, and install an updated kernel image outright |
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| 21:20.10 | BW^- | thewanderer1: right, though here the ultimate solution would be installing squeeze but for that the newer kernel is required, so i'd need to make a new ISO from scratch using that manual installer build process taking hours..? |
| 21:20.33 | BW^- | it's only for a private web server, the beta version should be safe enough. |
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| 21:21.09 | thewanderer1 | well, if you won't be using any GUI, lucky you - Wheezy is fine for this |
| 21:21.41 | tamatmatm | 'll settle in as a normal user view files. |
| 21:24.03 | laidback_01 | hey, this is not a debian specific question I know, but you guys know a bit about web goodies too; thought i'd ask. Okay, do you all recall Quanta? I used to really love that html/css/xhtml editor. I cannot seem to find anything as good, does anyone have any recommendations for something like it? |
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| 21:27.07 | hellyeah | it can be bluefish |
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| 21:32.10 | BW^- | thewanderer1: =) ok |
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| 21:32.41 | BW^- | thewanderer1: when weeze will actually be released and get security fixes and so on, will we not need to reinstallt he current one but just "aptitude update" to get the news? |
| 21:32.47 | BW^- | thewanderer1: why would GUI stuff be a prob? |
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| 21:33.34 | ner0x | Quick question. crontab entry to run scriptX.sh 12 AM mon-fri |
| 21:33.48 | ner0x | Which essensially would be tuesday 12:00 am and Saturday 12:00 AM correct? |
| 21:34.19 | ner0x | I currently have: 0 0 * * 2-6 myscript.sh |
| 21:34.38 | ner0x | Any help is much appreciated. |
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| 21:35.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright so where can i find linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64_2.6.32-46_amd64.deb? |
| 21:36.01 | LtL | ner0x: looks good |
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| 21:36.59 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: yeah, Wheezy will keep being Wheezy. and about GUIs... GNOME3. |
| 21:37.09 | LtL | ner0x: err, wait that might be 2 through 6, use a comma |
| 21:37.23 | ner0x | LtL: I want 2 through 6. |
| 21:37.35 | LtL | ner0x: oh, yeah its cool |
| 21:37.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok so is there some repo out there i can add or something? |
| 21:37.46 | ner0x | LtL++ # thank you sir. |
| 21:37.54 | LtL | ner0x: top of the hour, roger |
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| 21:39.53 | LtL | ner0x: welcome, was busy here :) |
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| 21:41.02 | BW^- | thewanderer1: apparently in the weeze beta installer, the installation does not work also. when getting to volume config it just scans forever |
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| 21:41.16 | BW^- | thewanderer1: maybe we should go to the bios and format the ssd from there first?? |
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| 21:41.55 | Ghormoon | hi guys :) do you have idea what i'm doing wrong when installing debian in virtualbox? after setting it for sid and dist-upgrading grub doesn't load :( just "GRUB loading." forever :( |
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| 21:42.35 | RMSInterjection | Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 21:42.37 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: huh, I wonder if a newer kernel would work |
| 21:42.49 | Ghormoon | yep :) even installing whole system twice xD |
| 21:43.06 | RMSInterjection | hmm well i'm out of ideas |
| 21:43.10 | Ghormoon | second time i've done grub-install and update-grub for sure and no help ... |
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| 21:50.24 | axisys | how to provide default answers to apt-get install libpam-ldap ? |
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| 21:53.22 | BW^- | thewanderer1: so, no luck with the newest installer |
| 21:53.34 | BW^- | thewanderer1: there are some .ko files that may work for this drive online. could we do the following?: |
| 21:53.51 | BW^- | thewanderer1: get the .ko file into the debian squeeze installer so we just like "mod_load thedriver.ko", |
| 21:54.14 | BW^- | thewanderer1: we add this .ko to /etc/modules on the installation made, and then then get debian put the kernel and GRUB on the usb stick, |
| 21:54.22 | BW^- | thewanderer1: and this way we have a fully functioning system? |
| 21:54.24 | LtL | axisys: apt-get -y for 'yes' ... there are others. |
| 21:54.56 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: no. a .ko file off the Web won't work. |
| 21:54.59 | BW^- | aha, so, "modprobe drivername.ko" |
| 21:55.07 | Ghormoon | anything to check before dist-upgrading and breaking grub 3rd time? :D |
| 21:55.07 | BW^- | thewanderer1: aha. hmh. why not? none of them? |
| 21:55.11 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: none. |
| 21:55.15 | BW^- | wow. |
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| 21:55.24 | BW^- | thewanderer1: so task is just ours to go and get another SSD really? |
| 21:55.28 | BW^- | i mean this is ridiculuous |
| 21:55.29 | thewanderer1 | those are modules compiled against a particular kernel |
| 21:55.36 | thewanderer1 | you need to compile for your kernel from source |
| 21:55.38 | BW^- | the ocz guys really did not work with linux compat at al |
| 21:55.55 | thewanderer1 | again, what I'd do, is a manual install, not using d-i |
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| 21:56.12 | thewanderer1 | this also allows you to bypass some bugs that might be lurking in debian-installer (remember, it's still testing) |
| 21:56.28 | axisys | LtL: i have to feed binddn for example |
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| 21:56.43 | diverdude | How do i downgrade ruby gems to ver 1.4.2? |
| 21:56.49 | BW^- | thewanderer1: where can i read about how to make a manual install? |
| 21:57.06 | Sm0ke0ut | diverdude: debian doesn't support downgrading |
| 21:57.13 | solstis | hello, would a complex Qt-based application have trouble running in XFCE? |
| 21:58.00 | solstis | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/rosegarden |
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| 21:58.02 | diverdude | Sm0ke0ut: i need to downgrade |
| 21:58.04 | solstis | in particular |
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| 21:59.39 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en this should be helpful |
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| 22:03.11 | LtL | axisys: not sure what you mean, two packages? depends? better check man apt-get i'm not sure what you need. sorry |
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| 22:05.20 | axisys | i need to feed a value to binddn during apt-get install libpam-ldap .. the value is a long dn like this |
| 22:05.23 | axisys | uid=sysldapq,ou=people,dc=mnet,dc=qintra,dc=com |
| 22:05.25 | axisys | LtL: ^ |
| 22:05.36 | axisys | also two ldaps:/// entries for uri value |
| 22:05.42 | yeehi | Hello! How is progress on the fully free, FSF endorsed spin of Debian coming along? |
| 22:05.53 | axisys | might be puppet the way to do it |
| 22:06.31 | last1 | is there an application that can do local port redirection ? |
| 22:06.41 | last1 | say forward port 3000 to 80 |
| 22:07.25 | LtL | axisys: that one is beyond me, hopefully someone else knows, sorry |
| 22:07.33 | diverdude | it says: If you really know what you are doing, you can still update rubygems by setting the REALLY_GEM_UPDATE_SYSTEM environment variable, but please remember that this is completely unsupported by Debian. so i do export REALLY_GEM_UPDATE_SYSTEM=1 and run sudo gem update --system 1.4.2 again but the same error occurs. what am I missing? |
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| 22:10.08 | Ghormoon | why i can't boot wheezy or sid in virtualbox? :( stable works ... but after dist-upgrading I'm stuck at "GRUB loading." :( |
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| 22:10.26 | axisys | last1: couple that I can think of, ssh/iptables/apache/nginx |
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| 22:10.35 | last1 | I picked port 80 at random |
| 22:10.48 | axisys | last1: still same answer |
| 22:10.49 | last1 | and it was for udp too |
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| 22:11.20 | axisys | for udp iptables most likely |
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| 22:11.51 | axisys | last1: for details on iptables i would ask in #netfilter |
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| 22:13.27 | last1 | I thought there might be a small app that does that |
| 22:13.32 | last1 | I use 'bounce' on FreeBSD for example |
| 22:14.00 | axisys | last1: iptables comes with most OS |
| 22:14.36 | axisys | last1: ipf for freebsd.. same idea.. but mostlikely one or two lines .. google or #netfilter |
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| 22:14.56 | last1 | ok, thank you |
| 22:14.59 | diverdude | any1? |
| 22:15.43 | axisys | last1: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-port-redirection-with-iptables/ |
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| 22:15.49 | axisys | last1: first match in google |
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| 22:16.21 | last1 | that's the one I'm on |
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| 22:16.55 | last1 | using this liner: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i lo -p tcp --dport 40569 -j REDIRECT --to-port 80 |
| 22:17.06 | last1 | no go |
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| 22:20.32 | diverdude | it says: If you really know what you are doing, you can still update rubygems by setting the REALLY_GEM_UPDATE_SYSTEM environment variable, but please remember that this is completely unsupported by Debian. so i do export REALLY_GEM_UPDATE_SYSTEM=1 and run sudo gem update --system 1.4.2 again but the same error occurs. what am I missing? |
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| 22:23.38 | confusid | How can I provoke the menu to see applications in xfce without rebooting? |
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| 22:27.07 | BW^- | thewanderer1: i have a 4GB usb stick. how do I get a debian installation running on it, where i can recompile the kernel with the Revodrive 3 patch onto that isntallation, as to then make a manual install to the Revodrive 3, and then put kernel & grub on the usb stick to use for boot device (so we know grub supports it)? |
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| 22:28.08 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: as for the install, do a normal install on the stick. it won't be fast, but should just work. that'll be your deployment environment... |
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| 22:28.53 | thewanderer1 | as for GRUB, I have no idea - but presumably there's some BIOS hand-over of drives to the loader... otherwise, GRUB would actually need support for all of today's controllers, which seems ridiculous |
| 22:29.31 | thewanderer1 | then, from deployment, follow the guide - installing a custom kernel is discussed elsewhere, but patching is easy |
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| 22:32.11 | schultza | how do i change the bootloader options on a debian live to add a live persistence as a menu entry |
| 22:32.34 | axisys | LtL: looks like I have to use preseed |
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| 22:36.02 | BW^- | thewanderer1: yeah, i'll just get the kernel sources, edit that file pasting that thing, compile kernel and make grub use that. |
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| 22:37.32 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: sounds like a plan... just remember to use the Debian way, and the file is a patch so you might want to `patch -p1 <revodrive.patch` |
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| 22:47.10 | birdpoop | Hi, im not sure this is the right place but im asking anyway. i have 2 domains when i head to ftp.domain1.ext i get asked for authentication, when i go to ftp.domain2.ext i get page not found. to my awareness i do not even have an ftp running or installed for that matter. is this possible or am i overlooking something? |
| 22:48.29 | Ghormoon | what i'm doing wrong? grub-install /dev/sda (even with specifying root diretory install grub succesfully, but I can't boot ("GRUB loading." forever), from super grub2 disk I can (it can find config on the right partition) |
| 22:48.35 | gnarface | birdpoop: you're overlooking that using 'ftp' in the hostname doesn't make you an ftp server. you're probably hitting the web server on port 80 |
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| 22:50.02 | gnarface | Ghormoon: sounds like your version of grub is too old/buggy for your hardware. did you try upgrading it? |
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| 22:50.06 | birdpoop | then why is it asking to authenticate? |
| 22:50.21 | gnarface | birdpoop: web sites can do this too. you're connecting to it via a web browser right? |
| 22:50.23 | Ghormoon | apt-get install grub2 doesn't update, so i think it's actual for wheezy :) |
| 22:50.29 | Ghormoon | and i'm running it in virtualbox |
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| 22:50.41 | birdpoop | yes |
| 22:51.30 | birdpoop | but i dont understand why it asks for the auth, it is my own website btw |
| 22:51.44 | gnarface | birdpoop: well then you should already know why it asks for auth... |
| 22:52.03 | gnarface | birdpoop: *i* sure as hell can only guess. |
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| 22:52.13 | BW^- | thewanderer1,*: The RevoDrive 3 makes the Debian installer freeze in the Find Volumes step. How, prior to going to that step, can I disable this entire device so that it will not freeze but instead just find the USB drive I have installed and want to install on? |
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| 22:53.01 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: hmm, try in the BIOS or take it out of the machine? |
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| 22:53.45 | birdpoop | i have no clue, if i just use no subdomain or www etc i do not get asked for auth |
| 22:54.04 | birdpoop | so why would it ask for auth on the ftp subdomain |
| 22:54.10 | birdpoop | hmmzzz |
| 22:54.38 | gnarface | birdpoop: it sounds like maybe you should check the webserver configuration and find out. you probably have more than one website running; how is it possible you weren't aware of that? |
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| 22:55.30 | birdpoop | well thats the strange thing i have the 2 domains set up exactly the same, though 1 gives me this the other gives 404:p |
| 22:56.02 | BW^- | thewanderer1: taken out of the machine, it doesn't boot anymore. BIOS .. hmmm.. k |
| 22:56.10 | gnarface | birdpoop: obviously they are NOT exactly the same then. you need to get over this logical fallacy first. |
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| 22:56.46 | birdpoop | haha i guess your right, thanks for help ill start digging:) |
| 22:56.50 | thewanderer1 | BW^-: if your machine fails to boot with a drive disconnected, something's going on :P |
| 22:57.05 | gnarface | birdpoop: good luck... |
| 22:57.33 | gnarface | birdpoop: could be a .htaccess file maybe or separate virtualhost configuration (keyed of DNS) |
| 22:57.49 | BW^- | =) |
| 22:58.07 | Ghormoon | I've replaced the grub with lilo and it works, but it's "loading linux ........." for quite long ... :( |
| 22:58.12 | gnarface | birdpoop: could be DNS misconfiguration too, in theory but less likely |
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| 23:10.31 | birdpoop | gnarface |
| 23:10.35 | birdpoop | thanks a lot man |
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| 23:11.01 | gnarface | birdpoop: find it? |
| 23:11.06 | birdpoop | yep |
| 23:11.07 | gnarface | birdpoop: no problem |
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| 23:11.17 | birdpoop | thank god you mentioned dns misconfiguration |
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| 23:11.21 | birdpoop | culd have searched for ages xD |
| 23:11.55 | birdpoop | i had and entry for ftp.domain that pointed to my registrars homepage |
| 23:12.00 | birdpoop | its a default setting:p |
| 23:12.03 | birdpoop | an* |
| 23:12.07 | gnarface | doh! |
| 23:12.11 | gnarface | happens to the best of us |
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| 23:13.07 | birdpoop | removed the record will take a little while before that would take effect right? |
| 23:13.19 | BW^- | thewanderer1: uuu WEIRD, the "scan disks" step stops even though we took out the revodrive 3 from the machine (!) |
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| 23:13.55 | BW^- | thewanderer1:what does it do in that step, scan the two USB memory sticks inserted?? |
| 23:13.59 | BW^- | that's all the storage media plugged in. |
| 23:14.07 | BW^- | or.. some kind of networked.. uh.. no can't be |
| 23:14.11 | b1gtuna | Hello can anyone tell me what debian-maintainers.org is for? |
| 23:14.22 | RMSInterjection | Maintaining debian. |
| 23:14.32 | b1gtuna | i'm trying to clone a git repo hosted from git.debian-maintainers.org, but I can't reach the server |
| 23:14.40 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: is it down at the moment? |
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| 23:14.58 | RMSInterjection | b1gtuna: It seems down on my end. |
| 23:15.11 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: hm..... it's been down for a while then |
| 23:15.30 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: i came back to this issue today. The first time I encountered was 2 weeks ago. |
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| 23:15.38 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: do you know if there is a mirror? |
| 23:16.44 | RMSInterjection | No... from what I can tell on google, it looks like this has been down for a long time. |
| 23:17.22 | RMSInterjection | Is this what you're looking for? http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-m/debian-maintainers.git;a=summary |
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| 23:17.58 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: i'm trying to get this: git://git.debian-maintainers.org/git/daniel/libdvdread.git |
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| 23:18.27 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: Which Google search result are you referring to btw? |
| 23:18.30 | v4nelle | Guys anybody with wheezy and ati 4850? |
| 23:18.50 | RMSInterjection | I just googled git and debian-maintainers.org |
| 23:19.23 | RMSInterjection | mplayer2? |
| 23:20.15 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: yes pretty much |
| 23:20.32 | RMSInterjection | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.angstrom.devel/5945 |
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| 23:22.07 | b1gtuna | RMSInterjection: hm ya that's still occuring |
| 23:22.20 | b1gtuna | it's a 9month old issue. Whoa.. |
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| 23:29.33 | nomadFaust | Debian is stuck at "Mounting fuse control filesystem" and won't boot even in recovery mode. I have tried "rmmod fuse" to no avail. What do I do? |
| 23:29.57 | nomadFaust | I don't see anything relevant in fstab |
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| 23:30.27 | nomadFaust | I don't think that fstab is the culprit |
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| 23:34.33 | BW^- | what can reasons be to why in the Squeeze installer, when it gets to the "Searching Volumes" step it just stops and never does anything.. can you see how fix? |
| 23:34.42 | BW^- | we unplugged all storage except for two USB sticks |
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| 23:36.07 | nomadFaust | What is the fuse module? Is it removable? |
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| 23:38.35 | MachinaeWolf | Where do I get the latest qt4? Apparently the version in wheezy isn't high enough for me to build the newest minitube :/ |
| 23:38.37 | gnarface | birdpoop: uh, yea but it varies depending on how many steps removed your DNS server is from the authoritative one. you should be able to query it directly (with dig or nslookup for example) to get the updated info immediately though; if not something went wrong (like you got to iterate the serial number, restart bind, etc) |
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| 23:46.42 | nomadFaust | I'm in a root shell, where is the path to apt-get? |
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| 23:47.10 | cihhan | Hi all! I can't find xenstat.h -- I have installed libxen-dev package as well. However, I still can't find the library anywhere. Any ideas? |
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