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| 00:03.32 | taniwha | any particular reason iceweasel would be starting up with a completely blank window (no widgets at all), but it seems to be responding to X events as it redraws the blankness when I move a window over it |
| 00:04.31 | nkuttler | taniwha: create a fresh profile? |
| 00:04.49 | taniwha | I did: same thing (moved .mozilla out of the way) |
| 00:05.10 | taniwha | it does the same thing, but with the start window/page |
| 00:05.17 | nkuttler | hrm, no idea then. |
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| 00:05.41 | nkuttler | didn't the webgl stuff get in recently? just a wild guess, but try a different video driver? |
| 00:06.04 | taniwha | it was fine the day before yesterday |
| 00:06.05 | nkuttler | taniwha: btw, is that stable or? |
| 00:06.09 | taniwha | sid |
| 00:06.26 | nkuttler | oh well then. restore your backup |
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| 00:12.58 | gaugedev | does someone know a channel to ask questions about glX* functions? |
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| 00:19.49 | taniwha | blah, all the stuff I'm finding so far assumes firefox/iceweasel even has a gui |
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| 00:21.06 | ngc0202` | Hey |
| 00:21.29 | ngc0202` | how do I give myself su powers in the graphical Debian? |
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| 00:22.19 | gnarface | ngc0202: you should have it by default. do you mean sudo? |
| 00:22.33 | ngc0202` | Like... |
| 00:23.15 | ngc0202` | I need to extract something in my /usr folder, but when I try, it says I don't have permissions |
| 00:23.22 | ngc0202` | How do I temporarily get permission |
| 00:23.25 | strdog | sudo file-rolller in terminal |
| 00:23.43 | ngc0202` | But in the graphical version |
| 00:24.06 | taniwha | start a terminal |
| 00:24.21 | strdog | by typing that command it'll start Archive Manager as root |
| 00:24.22 | ngc0202` | *facepalm* |
| 00:24.25 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202`: do you mean using nautilus? |
| 00:25.34 | ngc0202` | So I there's no way to give myself temporary root power? |
| 00:26.02 | strdog | you still need to use the terminal to start programs as root |
| 00:26.23 | ngc0202` | There are times when it'll come up with a box asking for root password |
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| 00:26.30 | ngc0202` | and it'll make a little key at the top |
| 00:26.39 | ngc0202` | that seems to be what I want to happen |
| 00:27.15 | strdog | that icon indicates that you're given temporary root permissions |
| 00:27.20 | ngc0202` | EXACTLY |
| 00:27.23 | ngc0202` | I want to do that! |
| 00:27.24 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202`: There are programs that use that GUI root power |
| 00:27.29 | ManoftheSea | Nautilus isn't one of them. |
| 00:27.41 | ngc0202` | The hell is Nautilus |
| 00:27.49 | ManoftheSea | the file manager in gnomnne |
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| 00:29.08 | ngc0202` | It's quite silly.... |
| 00:29.54 | strdog | most gui programs show their real names in the Help > About dialog |
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| 00:32.29 | taniwha | what's the use of the tags if apt-cache can't search them? :P |
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| 00:33.33 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202`: what are you trying to do as guiroot? |
| 00:33.53 | somiaj | taniwha: use aptitude, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 00:34.58 | taniwha | I prefer the command line |
| 00:35.19 | somiaj | aptitude is a command line program |
| 00:35.53 | somiaj | aptitude search ~Gtag |
| 00:36.27 | ngc0202` | ManoftheSea: Just extract something |
| 00:37.13 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202`: can't you extract to your home dir? |
| 00:38.26 | strdog | just type "sudo file-roller" it it'll open Archive Manager from there open your file (probably from /home/user/...) and extract to /usr |
| 00:40.06 | ngc0202` | strdog: That's just a silly solution |
| 00:40.30 | ManoftheSea | silly solution? |
| 00:40.34 | strdog | that's the way it works on linux |
| 00:40.37 | ManoftheSea | it works. |
| 00:40.54 | ngc0202` | Well it's silly |
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| 00:41.08 | ManoftheSea | please elaborate on why it's silly? |
| 00:41.30 | somiaj | ngc0202`: what do you want to extract into your /usr directory? |
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| 00:41.53 | ngc0202` | I think I'm gonna watch Lost now |
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| 00:42.09 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202`: having fun yet with Linux? |
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| 00:42.17 | somiaj | really you should only let dpkg add/remove stuff from /usr (for the most part). there are exceptions with /usr/local |
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| 00:42.42 | ngc0202` | ManoftheSea: No |
| 00:42.55 | ngc0202` | Well hell |
| 00:43.06 | ngc0202` | Oh, nevermind |
| 00:43.10 | ManoftheSea | hmm? |
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| 00:43.23 | ngc0202` | No, I wasn't wrong |
| 00:43.24 | ngc0202` | WELL HELL |
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| 00:43.37 | ManoftheSea | elaborate? |
| 00:43.37 | nsadmin | yeah, debian has the idea it owns /usr... and if you want it to continue to be debian, it's right |
| 00:43.58 | ngc0202` | Reading: http://www.howtogeek.com/119204/how-to-watch-netflix-on-linux/ |
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| 00:45.01 | taniwha | well, that was annoying |
| 00:45.05 | ngc0202` | Oh, run in a virtual machine |
| 00:45.16 | ngc0202` | Well, brb while I boot to Windows then |
| 00:45.17 | taniwha | I have no clue what it was (that's the annoying part), but rebooting fixed it) |
| 00:45.19 | ManoftheSea | ah soo... bye |
| 00:45.22 | somiaj | ngc0202`: My solution is watch netflix on my ps3...(: |
| 00:45.24 | ngc0202` | :/ |
| 00:45.27 | taniwha | 'twas a fresh boot, though :/ |
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| 00:45.35 | ManoftheSea | it's netflix's fault, though. |
| 00:46.06 | ngc0202` | somiaj: My only other option would be to use my phone with this annoying cover that makes it all weird and grainy, and two large blackholes in the screen |
| 00:47.10 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: you could also run android in virtualization |
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| 00:48.01 | somiaj | ngc0202`: yea you really don't have much of an option to watch netflix in linux. A virtual machine or dual boot is what is available right now. |
| 00:48.22 | ManoftheSea | I have a roku. |
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| 00:51.16 | martianlobster | is there a way of using dpkg, to get the minimal set of things I need to apt-get install on another box to get a similar installation? |
| 00:51.28 | martianlobster | dpkg -l, give way too much |
| 00:51.29 | dpkg | martianlobster: are you using Windows? |
| 00:51.57 | martianlobster | I almost started talking to the bot |
| 00:52.14 | nsadmin | !bot? |
| 00:52.15 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 00:52.44 | martianlobster | lol |
| 00:53.29 | somiaj | martianlobster: what do you mean by 'similar' install |
| 00:53.42 | martianlobster | I want to get all of the same major packages |
| 00:53.55 | martianlobster | g++, make, apache, emacs, etc |
| 00:54.10 | martianlobster | If I do dpkg -l, I will get tons of stuff |
| 00:54.14 | somiaj | martianlobster: well there really isn't a nice classification for 'mjaor' package |
| 00:54.18 | martianlobster | k |
| 00:54.25 | somiaj | you can use aptitude search for priority, but most things are 'optional' |
| 00:54.44 | martianlobster | I guess I need to do a dpkg -l, and then scan through the file, and do a manual install |
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| 00:55.38 | somiaj | martianlobster: I would ignore all libaries too, just let apt pull them in as needed |
| 00:55.49 | martianlobster | OK thanks |
| 00:55.58 | somiaj | martianlobster: is this for a squeeze system I hope? Or for testing? |
| 00:56.39 | martianlobster | my new box is squeeze |
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| 00:57.16 | martianlobster | digging up the version of my old box, lol |
| 00:57.28 | martianlobster | old box is an etc box |
| 00:57.34 | martianlobster | etch |
| 00:57.39 | somiaj | and your old box isn't? I was just gonna say you can copy the contents of /var/cache/apt/archive over so you don't have to download most the packages, but that only works if it is the same version |
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| 00:57.57 | taniwha | anyway, for anybody else that has problems with the firefox/iceweasel window being completely blank (no gui widgets at all): try rebooting |
| 00:58.10 | somiaj | yea you probabaly don't want to copy over a package list from etch to squeeze anways, there have been a good amount of remaning/changing of base packages. Just install things as you find you need them |
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| 01:05.15 | theShadowed | Hello. After a short while of sshing to my debian machine, I get a Write error: broken pipe, and a disconnect. What gives? |
| 01:05.46 | oneand0 | theShadowed: sounds like a timeout after no activity? |
| 01:06.14 | somiaj | yea my ssh sessions time out from time to time with no activity. There are some keepalive options, but they may not always work depending on the internet connenctsion of the two computers |
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| 01:06.34 | strdog | new packages are only added to the stable repository when a new major version is released? |
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| 01:07.07 | somiaj | strdog: no. stable is frozen (for the most part). Only security fixes and some bug fixes are backported to the version in stable |
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| 01:08.48 | somiaj | so versions in stable will not change except for the debian version as security/bugs are fixed |
| 01:09.23 | shavus | Does Debian start with SELinux and if yes, how do I disable it temporarily? |
| 01:09.39 | somiaj | shavus: you can use it, but I don't think it is required. |
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| 01:10.16 | ManoftheSea | shavus: I believe the kernel includes the necessary modules, but if you have no policy, it is disabled. |
| 01:10.18 | shavus | so it is disabled by default? |
| 01:10.25 | somiaj | I belive so |
| 01:10.27 | ManoftheSea | Otherwise, you can boot with selinux=0 on the cmdline |
| 01:10.32 | shavus | Thanks for the quick answer somiaj ManoftheSea |
| 01:10.36 | ManoftheSea | why do you ask? |
| 01:10.57 | shavus | trying to follow a tutorial. selinux is required to be turned off for it |
| 01:11.49 | ManoftheSea | yeah, SELinux is the sort of thing that you have to enable. |
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| 01:13.17 | Ugly_Duck | anyone able to assist in load balancing on squeeze? |
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| 01:15.18 | shavus | is there a way to use yum with debian? |
| 01:15.40 | somiaj | shavus: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:16.22 | shavus | well basically, i'm following a tutorial for centos and trying to translate it into debian |
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| 01:17.00 | shavus | nvm found it on debian |
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| 01:17.24 | strdog | somiaj: do you mean that from the release of debian 7.0 till its EOL it will have the same amount of packages in its repo? |
| 01:17.58 | somiaj | yea you really only want to install things on debian with apt/dpkg and not use other tools shavus |
| 01:18.48 | somiaj | strdog: correct, actually wheezy is now frozen so for the most part the versions in wheezy won't change to much from what they are now (except for as I said security/bugfixes) |
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| 01:20.24 | shavus | somiaj, ok |
| 01:20.39 | ManoftheSea | shavus: what's the tutorial? |
| 01:20.43 | somiaj | strdog: there are exceptions to this, but it is very rare that a package is removed/added or a updated to a newer major version. |
| 01:20.59 | ManoftheSea | Perhaps we can point you to an equivalent in Debian (the one true way's) method |
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| 01:21.21 | ManoftheSea | somiaj: this is sad, because we don't get Grub2.00 |
| 01:21.49 | somiaj | strdog: note that backports are now officaly a part of debian, so as time goes on certain packages will have backports made so users can opt to install a bit more up to date version of popular packages. |
| 01:22.31 | somiaj | ManoftheSea: I don't keep up with grub, but I thought grub2 was in debian just verionsed funny. |
| 01:22.38 | ManoftheSea | nah, only 1.99 |
| 01:22.52 | ManoftheSea | 2.00 proper was release a month ago, or so... |
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| 01:23.03 | somiaj | but I thought that was actually 2.0 -- ahh so 1.99 was just a rc this whole time |
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| 01:23.22 | ManoftheSea | no... 2.00beta4 was an rc |
| 01:23.26 | ManoftheSea | well, not even rc. |
| 01:23.43 | somiaj | I run sid cause I like breaking things, I'm sure I'll get that soon or later. :D |
| 01:24.34 | Losowski | somiaj: Same here, sid ftw |
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| 01:26.11 | somiaj | Losowski: speaking of witch I should update it more often, waiting 4-8 months between updates cause I got everythig working always makes for a fun night. (: |
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| 01:26.34 | ManoftheSea | Hmm, yeah, I prefer a little more stability. |
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| 01:26.45 | ManoftheSea | If I wanted it to break every 6 months, I'd use ubuntu. |
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| 01:26.47 | ManoftheSea | BURN! |
| 01:27.21 | Losowski | somiaj: That's quite a long update "gap". I keep mine updated as much as possible. |
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| 01:28.25 | Losowski | ManoftheSea: I'm surprised at how many Ubuntu users come on this channel...as if Ubuntu didn't have one? ;) |
| 01:28.45 | somiaj | ManoftheSea: I keep thinking about going to stable, I just have my sid install from 6+ yearrs ago when it was needed for a gaming machine. |
| 01:28.52 | ManoftheSea | Losowski: they expect better help here. |
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| 01:51.18 | tir | i read online that tar doesn't follow the symlinks, but it seems to with optinos cvf |
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| 01:52.45 | gnarface | tir: there should be an option, i'd check the man page and the info page (note that info pages are notoriously not properly installed on many setups) |
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| 01:53.12 | tir | there's an option to follow with -h |
| 01:53.17 | tir | but defalt is not supposed to follow |
| 01:53.26 | tir | it seems to be following though on my fresh squeeze |
| 01:53.27 | gnarface | weird |
| 01:53.32 | tir | yep |
| 01:53.41 | gnarface | check the bugs tracker? |
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| 01:54.07 | tir | if there was a way to preserve symblinks as symlinks when copying to dinwos that would hav been ideal |
| 01:54.16 | tir | when copying to windows |
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| 01:54.54 | gnarface | tir: really weird, should be the default... |
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| 01:55.36 | oldtopmanserver | I have a small question regarding my Nvidia GeForce 8400GS |
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| 01:55.44 | tir | do you know how i can make it not follow ? |
| 01:56.23 | oldtopmanserver | I'm running Debian 6.0.5 with the latest updates (64 bit). When I ran the nvidia-dkms command that dpkg suggested, the display does not come up (blinking cursor in upper left corner). |
| 01:56.46 | oldtopmanserver | I've had to remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.rules file to get my display back. |
| 01:56.54 | oldtopmanserver | How do I get the nvidia drivers up? |
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| 01:59.08 | tir | i find that tar is following symbolic links instead of ignoring with optin cvf, how to avoid making it follow (i know that -h makes it follow) |
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| 02:02.56 | Yukikaze | can one user have multiple valid passwords? |
| 02:04.16 | dondelelcaro | Yukikaze: yes |
| 02:04.18 | ManoftheSea | provisionally, yes |
| 02:04.30 | ManoftheSea | but now you want to know how. |
| 02:04.53 | ManoftheSea | have you tried adding more lines to /etc/shadow? |
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| 02:07.06 | dondelelcaro | tir: it follows symlinks regardless; -h means that it dereferences them |
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| 02:07.20 | dondelelcaro | tir: if you want to do something specific, you use find with tar instead of just tar itself |
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| 02:07.51 | tir | dondelelcaro: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/recursive-scp-w-o-following-links-658857/ says tar doesn't follow sym links |
| 02:08.01 | tir | dondelelcaro: how to i make it avoid do that with find or otherwise ? |
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| 02:09.09 | dondelelcaro | tir: tar -zc -f foo.tar.gz --null --files-from >(find -type f -not -type l -print0) |
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| 02:09.25 | dondelelcaro | tir: man tar; man file; for details |
| 02:09.51 | tir | that's a very big command |
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| 02:10.15 | tir | i did do a man on tar and it said to use -h to follow symbolic links. and i figured default shouldn't (alos found same online) |
| 02:10.24 | dondelelcaro | that's not what -h means |
| 02:10.28 | tir | tar -zc -f foo.tar.gz --null --files-from >(find -type f -not -type l -print0) |
| 02:10.39 | dondelelcaro | -h means that it dumps the content of symbolic links |
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| 02:10.44 | tir | where do i specify which directory ? |
| 02:10.52 | dondelelcaro | tir: in the find command |
| 02:11.07 | dondelelcaro | find . -type f is what it should read, actually |
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| 02:11.16 | dondelelcaro | but you can specify any arbitrary directory you want |
| 02:11.32 | tir | where do i put that in the find brackets ? |
| 02:11.33 | xreal | Is there a variable for systems fonts? (/usr/share/fonts/truetype) |
| 02:11.35 | kruz | tir, the "." is current directory, so you would specify the path there. |
| 02:11.50 | tir | tar -zc -f foo.tar.gz --null --files-from >(find . -type f -not -type l -print0) |
| 02:11.54 | tir | so as above ? |
| 02:11.56 | dondelelcaro | tir: yes. |
| 02:12.18 | dondelelcaro | tir: the >() thing is a process substitution |
| 02:12.31 | tir | which part of the find tells not to follow symlinks ? |
| 02:12.32 | tir | ok.. |
| 02:12.34 | dondelelcaro | err, that should be <() |
| 02:12.36 | dondelelcaro | not >() |
| 02:13.37 | tir | ok |
| 02:13.52 | tir | tar -zc -f etc_apache2.tar.gz --null --files-from <(find /etc/apache2 -type f -not -type l -print0) |
| 02:13.55 | tir | it gives erro : |
| 02:14.05 | xreal | Is there a variable for systems fonts? (/usr/share/fonts/truetype) |
| 02:14.09 | tir | never mind |
| 02:14.17 | tir | if i remove -z then it won't do gz correct ? |
| 02:14.49 | dondelelcaro | tir: right. |
| 02:15.59 | kruz | xreal, there's a way to do it programmatically : man xgetfontpath |
| 02:16.08 | xreal | kruz: thx |
| 02:16.09 | kruz | I'm not familiar with a system variable for it, but you can define your own. /: |
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| 02:16.36 | tir | dondelelcaro: its skipping entire directories if all that the dir contains is symlinks |
| 02:16.47 | tir | i thought it should at least have the dir if not its contents |
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| 02:17.59 | dondelelcaro | tir: yes. If you want the directories, then use tar -zc -f etc_apache2.tar.gz --no-recursion --null --files-from <(find /etc/apache2 -not -type l -print0) |
| 02:18.49 | tir | got it |
| 02:19.29 | tir | but still it should have got at least the dir without contents correct ? (with elarlier command ? |
| 02:19.48 | kruz | No |
| 02:19.59 | kruz | The find command was to find "-type f" it means files. |
| 02:20.25 | kruz | It did not find directories. So if all the directory contained was symbolic links, the "-not -type l" caused it not to include the directory in the list. |
| 02:21.07 | kruz | tir, You should try the find command by itself without the tar so you can see how it works. |
| 02:21.21 | kruz | all the <() is doing is sending the output of the find command to tar |
| 02:21.40 | tir | i got that part |
| 02:22.25 | tir | tar: Removing leading `/' from member names : i guess this isnormal |
| 02:23.01 | kruz | correct, it tars up the directories relatively |
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| 02:23.51 | anthalamus2 | hi! |
| 02:24.16 | kruz | hello |
| 02:24.18 | anthalamus2 | trying to install debian on my new laptop, i'm only getting a weird screen with colored letters on colored background seemingly at random |
| 02:24.24 | tir | dondelelcaro: is there a way to capture the symbolic information without following them ? |
| 02:24.26 | tir | kruz: ? |
| 02:24.35 | anthalamus2 | i got the boot.img file, boot on my usb mem from bios |
| 02:24.42 | sney | anthalamus2, sounds like the installer image got corrupted |
| 02:24.45 | sney | anthalamus2, if you' |
| 02:24.53 | anthalamus2 | when prompted for "boot:" wrote "boot.img" |
| 02:25.08 | sney | if you're using a usb drive, it's much easier to just write the netinstall iso to the usb drive |
| 02:25.17 | anthalamus2 | get a screen full of dots until it turns to that weird colored screen |
| 02:25.27 | anthalamus2 | i tried the netinstall too, same problem |
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| 02:26.17 | anthalamus2 | sney> do i have to empty the usb mem first so it only contains the boot.img file maybe? |
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| 02:27.45 | sney | anthalamus2, use something like https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/ to directly write the netinstall iso to your usb drive. |
| 02:28.35 | anthalamus2 | sney> that looks like a windows program though, i'm running ubuntu on the machine i'm on right now |
| 02:28.41 | tir | what's this option : |
| 02:28.43 | tir | -l, --check-links print a message if not all links are dumped |
| 02:28.44 | tir | in tar ? |
| 02:29.02 | tir | does it simply capture link information without following it ? i tried but doesn't look like it |
| 02:29.20 | sney | anthalamus2, ok, then use dd. for example dd if=debian-6.0.5-i686-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc , assuming /dev/sdc is your usb device. don't use /dev/sdc1 or anything like that, you want the whole device. |
| 02:29.43 | sney | anthalamus2, when it finishes, run 'sync' and then remove the usb drive, and then you can use it to install |
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| 02:30.41 | anthalamus2 | sney: ok, i'll give it a shot |
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| 02:32.10 | qubits | Hello, I am doing a netinst for debian and I would like to use encrypted lvm. How can I only use part of the space on my drive?? |
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| 02:38.25 | nsadmin | qubits, then you'd have to do manual partitioning... make the partition you want to use for the file storage and then pull down the "use as" and see what you can use it as |
| 02:39.29 | nsadmin | I'd suggest a small not-encrypted, not-in-lvm partition for /boot |
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| 02:39.48 | tir | what's this option in tar |
| 02:39.49 | tir | -l, --check-links print a message if not all links are dumped |
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| 02:39.53 | tir | does it simply capture link information without following it ? i tried but doesn't look like it |
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| 02:40.39 | nsadmin | maybe it checks the tarball content to see if the link target is contained in the tarball |
| 02:41.02 | kruz | tir, I didn't know that tar followed symbolic links. |
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| 02:42.47 | tir | kruz: it actually did, but with the previous commands with find it didn't |
| 02:42.57 | tir | but i want to preserve the fact that ther eis a symlink |
| 02:43.02 | tir | but not follow it |
| 02:43.06 | tir | how do i do it ? |
| 02:43.46 | kruz | tir, it doesn't on my system. Are you running Debian? |
| 02:43.52 | tir | yes |
| 02:43.53 | tir | squeeze |
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| 02:44.14 | tir | what does it to in your system |
| 02:44.18 | tir | doe sit preserve symlinks ? without following ? |
| 02:44.37 | kruz | http://pastebin.com/QrKtguUm |
| 02:44.42 | kruz | Please look at my paste bin |
| 02:44.45 | tir | i used tar cvf ............ |
| 02:45.03 | kruz | I have a link to the parent directory and a link to the same directory. The links are preserved but there is no following by default. |
| 02:45.20 | kruz | if there was, my tar would have forever been tarring itself because of it called the parent. |
| 02:46.18 | tir | i couldnt' make much of the pastebin, i see that you put a symlink goodbey |
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| 02:46.32 | kruz | here let me space it out so you can see what I did |
| 02:46.41 | tir | but what are the other symlinks there to illsturtae what ? |
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| 02:46.44 | tir | ok |
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| 02:48.40 | kruz | http://pastebin.com/t0Ke5DHf |
| 02:49.42 | kruz | I put the explanation in the pastebin so you can see my symlinks that point back to the parent and what not. |
| 02:49.46 | tir | what is the exact command you used ? |
| 02:49.54 | tir | tar -czvf symlink.tar.gz temp/ |
| 02:50.04 | kruz | yes where temp is the directory I wanted to tar |
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| 02:50.34 | tir | ok |
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| 02:50.43 | kruz | in your case, cd to / then do : tar -zcvf apache2.tar.gz etc/apache2/ |
| 02:50.49 | tir | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
| 02:50.53 | tir | is what i get when i try same |
| 02:51.00 | tir | tar -cvfz test /etc/apache2 |
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| 02:52.20 | tir | after it spits out a bunch of things |
| 02:52.20 | f0x90 | How do I only do partial encrypted lvm during setup with debian? I want to save space for another OS on the drive??? |
| 02:52.22 | kruz | Did you try to cd / ? then C&P my command |
| 02:52.38 | tir | i took the cvfz part |
| 02:52.55 | tir | i didn't get cd / ? |
| 02:53.18 | tir | what's wrong with tar -cvfz test /etc/apache2 ? |
| 02:53.22 | tir | why is it giving that error ? |
| 02:53.24 | kruz | try this command exactly: cd / ; tar -zcvf apache2.tar.gz etc/apache2/ ; ls -lah | grep apache |
| 02:53.27 | tir | i have a dir called /etc/apache2 |
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| 02:54.13 | tir | if i remove the - it works fine |
| 02:54.22 | tir | you used tar -cvzf |
| 02:54.34 | tir | kruz: but for me only tar cvzf is working |
| 02:54.36 | kruz | shrugs* |
| 02:54.48 | kruz | I'm on squeeze |
| 02:54.55 | tir | i am also on squeeze |
| 02:55.03 | kruz | calypso [hello] $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:55.04 | kruz | 6.0.4 |
| 02:55.10 | tir | how do i check that ? |
| 02:55.24 | f0x90 | Anyone please? I want to get this installation going. I just got this laptop |
| 02:55.29 | kruz | 32 bit... I don't know that makes a difference. I assumed you could put the - |
| 02:55.42 | tir | i tried with - and it gave that error above |
| 02:55.45 | tir | mine is also 32 bit |
| 02:55.52 | tir | 32 bit guest on 64 bit host |
| 02:56.01 | kruz | You didn't have a space after the - sign did you? |
| 02:56.02 | tir | but everything else works fine, why only tar with this - |
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| 02:56.05 | tir | nope |
| 02:56.36 | tir | oh wait ! |
| 02:56.39 | tir | it works with tar -czvf |
| 02:56.47 | kruz | [: |
| 02:56.51 | tir | but if i change order or czvf it doesn't !! |
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| 02:57.24 | tir | how do i untar ? |
| 02:57.40 | kruz | hmm.. I can tar with either. zcvf or czvf |
| 02:57.52 | tir | c also should be there ? |
| 02:58.05 | kruz | 'c' creates the archive |
| 02:58.07 | tir | -zcvf or just zcvf |
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| 02:58.14 | tir | but i am untarring, not creating |
| 02:58.18 | tir | so why c ? |
| 02:58.27 | kruz | You said you changed the order and it didn't work |
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| 02:58.34 | kruz | I was stating that I changed the order and it didn't matter |
| 02:58.50 | kruz | tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz <~ only include the z if you are using gzip |
| 02:59.00 | kruz | that will overwrite any existing files |
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| 03:00.04 | kruz | z gzip, x extract, v verbose, f use the file |
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| 03:01.01 | tir | kruz: ok |
| 03:01.03 | tir | i am going to use this |
| 03:01.08 | tir | tar -czvf test /etc/apache2 |
| 03:01.09 | tir | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.16 | tir | these are working nicely |
| 03:01.17 | tir | thanks very much ! |
| 03:01.20 | kruz | np |
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| 03:01.39 | kruz | tir, just a piece of advise. You may want to name the file test.tar.gz <~ so that you know it's a tar gzipped file |
| 03:01.47 | kruz | otherwise you might forget (: |
| 03:02.08 | kruz | of course, you can use the file command to find out if it is compressed or not. |
| 03:02.38 | kruz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.05 | tir | kruz: one last thing |
| 03:03.19 | tir | i tried to untar in windows and in place of the symlink it actually put the actual file |
| 03:03.40 | tir | but when i untar in linux it preserves the symlink |
| 03:03.46 | kruz | Windows doesn't support symbolic links. Symbolic links are files. |
| 03:03.59 | tir | mklink in windows seems to do that ? |
| 03:04.18 | kruz | just like a "shortcut" in Windows is a file with an extension which I forget right now |
| 03:04.23 | tir | when i untar is there a way to skip the symlinks ? |
| 03:04.34 | kruz | in GNU/Linux a Windows shortcut will not work the same way |
| 03:04.36 | tir | mklink is different from shortcut, anyway |
| 03:04.41 | tir | when i untar is there a way to skip the symlinks ? |
| 03:04.51 | kruz | I'm not familiar with that. |
| 03:04.57 | tir | ok |
| 03:05.00 | tir | thanks for the help |
| 03:05.03 | tir | bye |
| 03:05.06 | kruz | np |
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| 03:07.59 | simonlnu | f is actually indicating to tar that it is a file. without it it assumes a tape drive |
| 03:08.47 | simonlnu | kruz: robots.org |
| 03:09.00 | kruz | simonlnu, I have a specific question regarding bad bots. |
| 03:09.04 | simonlnu | (could be robotstxt.org) |
| 03:09.07 | kruz | Not those that follow the standards |
| 03:09.16 | simonlnu | block them? |
| 03:09.55 | kruz | I want to make a directory eg. honeypot and only list it in the 'Disallow' section. I was wondering if bots scrape the robots.txt for directories to scan too or if they only do it off historical links and current existing pages. |
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| 03:10.28 | pparadis | kruz: what are you really trying to accomplish here? |
| 03:10.30 | kruz | If that wasn't the case, I was wondering if I could put the link in javascript as a comment, so that no user should ever accidentally go there, but bots that do , I could log their IP and decide what to do with them |
| 03:10.37 | simonlnu | depends on the bot in question. assume "both" until behaviour indicates otherwise |
| 03:11.03 | simonlnu | yes, project honeypot deals with this |
| 03:11.11 | simonlnu | projecthoneypot.org |
| 03:11.43 | pparadis | still wonders what the real objective is. |
| 03:11.53 | simonlnu | you can also find out about the ip, the user agent used, etc. |
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| 03:12.29 | kruz | pparadis, I work for a web hosting company and I see a lot of servers go down because bad bots are ignoring robots.txt. I have also seen robots scan directories that I don't believe to be listed anywhere |
| 03:12.52 | kruz | I wanted to get a list of these IPs on my own webserver, so that I can check what bots they are and ban them if necessary. |
| 03:12.53 | simonlnu | it's called looking for an exploit. |
| 03:13.05 | pparadis | kruz: if that sort of behavior is causing servers to go down, you have much bigger problems. |
| 03:13.18 | simonlnu | ...those nonexistent directory scans |
| 03:13.21 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 03:13.30 | kruz | simonlnu, yeah, there's a difference between a bot scanning for "known directories" like wp-admin or something. but finding a directory I call "whatchadoinhere" is a little out there. |
| 03:13.40 | pparadis | kruz: you need to understand that if something is publicly accessible, it can and will be accessed at some point. you need to resolve your core issues with the setup your company is providing. |
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| 03:14.17 | simonlnu | must've picked it up from a link or a generated dir. index or such |
| 03:14.40 | pparadis | or just flat guessed. either way, it's a symptom, not a cause. |
| 03:15.21 | kruz | scanning for incorrect directories isn't what is causing the boxes to go down. It's the 200+ requests that the bots are sending every second on multiple domains on the same box. |
| 03:15.39 | pparadis | 200 requests per second shouldn't come anywhere close to taking a server out. |
| 03:15.40 | kruz | valid links which cause sites to access mysql etc... and cause the load to spike |
| 03:15.41 | k-man | is there a way to get a list of all installed packages on one machine and then install those packages on another machine? |
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| 03:15.48 | kruz | pparadis, depends on the server. |
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| 03:16.15 | simonlnu | ok, so start dropping those at a lower osi level. app level is only going to bring the machine(s) to its knees |
| 03:16.24 | pparadis | no, it really shouldn't. this is a case of bad design manifesting due to unexpected load, and will continue to happen until you address the core bad design issues. |
| 03:16.27 | simonlnu | !get-selections |
| 03:16.58 | simonlnu | !debian clone |
| 03:17.00 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 03:17.20 | k-man | simonlnu, lovely, thanks |
| 03:17.35 | simonlnu | you might inquire into fetching spamhaus.org data, e.g., and using that |
| 03:17.37 | kruz | pparadis, example: P4 with 1GB of RAM running a wordpress site that has several thousand rows of posts... yeah 200 requests coming in at the exact same second will cause the box to bog down. |
| 03:17.39 | simonlnu | k-man: np |
| 03:17.45 | k-man | !aptitude clone |
| 03:17.46 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 03:17.54 | pparadis | kruz: i can make that box do 4000 requests per second. |
| 03:18.00 | pparadis | kruz: you can too. you just haven't. |
| 03:18.09 | simonlnu | k-man: "/msg dpkg factoid" ;) |
| 03:18.23 | k-man | simonlnu, noted |
| 03:18.29 | simonlnu | :) |
| 03:19.14 | pparadis | hell, people are doing thousands of requests per second on systems with less resources than that, also running wordpress. |
| 03:19.27 | simonlnu | caching of various sorts, httpd optimising of various sorts, etc. network, ... |
| 03:19.54 | k-man | i hear good things about nginx |
| 03:20.01 | k-man | personally i have not tried it |
| 03:20.04 | simonlnu | uses it |
| 03:20.07 | pparadis | hell, people are doing thousands of requests per second on systems with less resources than that, also running wordpress, (2) the unsolvable problem you're trying to solve is causing you to ignore the actual problem, (3) people have solved the actual problem already. |
| 03:20.27 | pparadis | sorry, i accidentally up arrowed on the first part of that :) |
| 03:20.37 | kruz | when php is allowed to run with 64M of RAM. You are telling me that scripts that MAX out that amount of memory can handle 4000 requests? |
| 03:20.58 | anthalamus2 | sney> i went the dvd way...i think my usb is just malfunctioning..! |
| 03:21.14 | simonlnu | xcache would be something to consider ... |
| 03:21.16 | pparadis | kruz: you need to become acquainted with nginx, php/fastcgi and php-fpm, and memcache. |
| 03:21.30 | Diopter | php-fpm ftw. |
| 03:21.39 | Diopter | pparadis: Needs some varnish in there, for good measure |
| 03:21.40 | simonlnu | heck ya, heh |
| 03:21.41 | kruz | aside from php-fpm yeah I am |
| 03:21.47 | pparadis | Diopter: teehee ;) |
| 03:21.51 | Diopter | kruz: It's the most important piece, actually. |
| 03:22.17 | simonlnu | varnish looks awesome, but i haven't figured it out yet... |
| 03:22.19 | Diopter | It's a FastCGI Process Manager for PHP, and does a fantastic job of making PHP suck a lot less. |
| 03:22.23 | pparadis | i am positively in love with nginx these days. in fact, over the last couple of years, i've failed to deploy apache for any front end purposes. |
| 03:22.28 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 03:22.33 | simonlnu | Diopter: ^^ |
| 03:23.05 | simonlnu | i even avoid packages or projects that require you to have apache installed |
| 03:23.20 | strdog | anthalamus2: try unetbootin next time, maybe you'll save a few disks |
| 03:23.50 | pparadis | i've got a site that uses perl/fastcgi and nginx on a 1 GB VM with two cores, the entire thing being dynamic, that does 6000 requests per second. it also scales horizontally just by adding additional VMs. |
| 03:24.00 | pparadis | (postgresql DB backend on that one) |
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| 03:24.14 | simonlnu | oh nummy postgres |
| 03:24.35 | kruz | I am currently running a low level VPS... I mean really low level VPS. people trying to brute force the box has taken it down. I've already mitigated the majority of it. But idiots trying to scan the box for other exploits cause httpd to die when the box goes oom |
| 03:25.05 | kruz | I mainly use it for teamspeak but I use the webserver for managing subversion (I don't like git) |
| 03:25.15 | pparadis | i'm trying to tell you that if you just invest a little time investigating the stuff we're talking about, you could run most of your stuff on plug PCs and still get 10x the performance. |
| 03:25.20 | Diopter | svn D: |
| 03:25.40 | pparadis | also, and this is really important, you get what you pay for with hosting. |
| 03:25.51 | simonlnu | kruz: how about locking down most of your dirs with basic/digest auth? |
| 03:25.53 | pparadis | a $5 VPS will give you $5 worth of love. |
| 03:26.16 | simonlnu | money is not love, it's just sex ;p |
| 03:26.27 | kruz | pparadis, ^_^ my $5 VPS gets A scores and loads in fractions of a sec on gtmetrix |
| 03:26.29 | pparadis | well, it won't be loving long time ;) |
| 03:26.46 | pparadis | kruz: let's average that over two years and see how those numbers look. |
| 03:26.57 | kruz | I'm halfway there |
| 03:27.09 | pparadis | it does that when you're looking, btw. let's stretch it out to the full period and also start monitoring it every 60 seconds. |
| 03:27.11 | simonlnu | that's like a time limited hj or something... |
| 03:27.24 | simonlnu | </ot> |
| 03:27.30 | pparadis | you'll see a different picture. |
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| 03:28.45 | kruz | There's not really a way to monitor it every 60 seconds. You can do it, but there are always things that can get in the way. I'm sure you are familiar with how much latency and actual packets being dropped |
| 03:28.58 | kruz | I don't trust any monitoring services. |
| 03:29.05 | kruz | too many false positives |
| 03:29.23 | nsadmin | but... I like positive! |
| 03:29.26 | kruz | lol |
| 03:29.27 | Diopter | ... this and the subversion thing... it's too much D: |
| 03:29.27 | pparadis | kruz: seriously man, take a look at the stuff we've recommended. you're wasting your time trying to bolt on measures to stop things from knocking your stuff over when less time invested in making it perform better to start with can solve your issues. |
| 03:29.33 | kruz | Thanks for the suggestions guys |
| 03:29.42 | Diopter | My little engineer heart died a little |
| 03:29.49 | simonlnu | have fun kruz |
| 03:29.52 | kruz | pparadis, the robots was for a shared box that one of my project sites is on. |
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| 03:30.11 | anthalamus2 | strdog: i still used the netinst |
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| 03:30.21 | pparadis | kruz: nothing is perfect. nobody is saying that. i absolutely assure you that your super duper cut rate hosting just will not measure up over time, even allowing for false positives. i've been doing this too long, and have seen too much data from the inside of orgs like that. |
| 03:30.22 | kruz | pparadis, it can handle all of the bad bots like nothing. But when I move it over to a higher level VPS or a Dedicated solution, I'm worried about all of the bad bots taking down my site. (: |
| 03:30.23 | anthalamus2 | strdog: sney: thanks anyway guys, i'm off! |
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| 03:31.01 | simonlnu | pparadis: do you type like super fast or something? |
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| 03:31.09 | pparadis | simonlnu: yes. |
| 03:31.17 | Diopter | Typing fast isn't that difficult if you type for a living. |
| 03:31.23 | pparadis | that ^ |
| 03:31.29 | kruz | good night all |
| 03:31.31 | Diopter | 'night |
| 03:31.32 | pparadis | \o |
| 03:31.35 | simonlnu | g'night |
| 03:32.28 | pparadis | needs to go to bed too. lots to do in the morning. good night everybody :) |
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| 04:31.53 | initself | i'm having trouble with my rsync |
| 04:31.55 | initself | rsync --verbose --progress --stats --archive current_studio/ mike@10.10.10.12:/share/data/Studio |
| 04:32.17 | initself | i am pretty certain that current_studio contains identical files in Studio on the remove system |
| 04:33.52 | initself | if i rync them once |
| 04:33.57 | initself | the files don't repeat |
| 04:34.13 | initself | shouldn't i not have to run through all my files one time in order to get a copy |
| 04:34.25 | initself | shouldn't it recognize that i already have identical files and skip them? |
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| 04:37.07 | jparkton | so my desktop doesn't show my folders I have on there in the file system, do I need to link them or what? |
| 04:38.58 | initself | guess i needed --ignore-existing |
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| 05:33.42 | saint_ | Is there anywhere where I can get them to email me the moment Wheezy becomes stable? |
| 05:35.38 | sney | Sa[i]nT, sign up for debian-devel-announce |
| 05:36.30 | Sa[i]nT | ok done, thanks :) |
| 05:36.56 | simonlnu | lists.debian.org jic you don't know |
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| 05:37.18 | Sa[i]nT | Yeah, a quick googling revealed it. |
| 05:38.12 | peterrooney | just switched to bpo iceweasel, and I must say, while much is improved, some design decisions are brain damage broken - eg. let's hide the protocol of the URL from the user. I mean, nobody copies and pastes URLs, do they. |
| 05:38.33 | sney | peterrooney, yeah, that's upsteam silliness |
| 05:38.40 | Sa[i]nT | Just use chrome. |
| 05:38.48 | sney | I think it can be switched back in about:config. chrome does the same thing. |
| 05:38.48 | Sa[i]nT | runs great on squeeze. |
| 05:39.10 | simonlnu | yeh, about:config is your friend ;) |
| 05:39.11 | sney | though I think in both of them, when you copy a url, it does add the http:// to your buffer |
| 05:39.29 | joules | don't get chrome. |
| 05:39.32 | simonlnu | it does |
| 05:39.46 | simonlnu | ff/iw certainly |
| 05:39.48 | peterrooney | simonlnu: about:config is fussy about who its friends are |
| 05:40.53 | simonlnu | yeh like unix ;p |
| 05:42.07 | joules | at least its up front about it. |
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| 05:42.49 | peterrooney | sney: you are right, it can be changed from the default, (browser.urlbar.trimURLs) but that's...suboptimal. I would call this a -phigh debconf setting. I fear that five years from now, people I help won't even understand what a URL is anymore. |
| 05:43.22 | joules | wikipedia won't be around in 5 years? |
| 05:44.01 | peterrooney | occasionally wants to yell (all caps voice) "the web is not the internet!" |
| 05:45.04 | joules | what about web2.0? |
| 05:45.17 | peterrooney | joules: relax, I'm not going to use chrome. |
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| 05:52.27 | LordShiva | peterrooney, Well url bar with no http:// or https:// refix is borowed from chrome |
| 05:53.06 | LordShiva | In firefox if you try to copy url from url bar you will copy it with those hidden prefix |
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| 05:54.07 | LordShiva | Dont use chrome its slow its sloopy its memory eater its unstable |
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| 05:55.49 | LordShiva | peterrooney, use a firefox new release version or beta version download it from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/14.0.1/ and beta from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/15.0b1-candidates/build1/ |
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| 06:03.17 | simonlnu | LordShiva: 404 on the 15.0b1 |
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| 06:04.03 | LordShiva | what is 404 on 15.0b1 ? |
| 06:04.04 | jparkton | when I try to install python-glade2 it says already installed but I cant find it? |
| 06:04.27 | LordShiva | Actually I have problem with session restore on beta |
| 06:04.43 | LordShiva | It throw a Js frame error |
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| 06:05.13 | LordShiva | simonlnu, or you mean on that problem ? |
| 06:05.18 | jparkton | Namah Shivaya |
| 06:05.21 | jparkton | :P |
| 06:05.30 | simonlnu | The requested URL /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/15.0b1-candidates/build1/ was not found on this server. |
| 06:06.48 | LordShiva | well navigate to the /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/ and select beta candidates :) |
| 06:06.50 | simonlnu | you know, http error code 404... |
| 06:06.56 | LordShiva | It works for me |
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| 06:07.44 | LordShiva | simonlnu, try it again copy whole url ? |
| 06:07.53 | simonlnu | i did |
| 06:08.05 | simonlnu | they have a round robin... |
| 06:08.08 | peterrooney | LordShiva, whatever the origin, it is a user interface failure. |
| 06:08.31 | simonlnu | and it also involves "geo-dns" |
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| 06:09.14 | LordShiva | hmm ok tbut I dont think taht they have that much load to stop you from accessing page |
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| 06:11.43 | LordShiva | simonlnu, do you need a firefox beta ? I can send you link to appropriate build of firefox i686 or x86_64 if you have problem accessing it :) and you can try with wget maybe download will be available and only http access is overloaded |
| 06:12.46 | LordShiva | Hey to not forget to all sysadmins happy sysadmin day :) |
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| 06:14.36 | simonlnu | nah, i'll figure it out, thanks anyway |
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| 06:29.30 | simonlnu | got it |
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| 06:37.16 | simonlnu | bookmarked it... i just followed what their dns said ;) |
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| 06:42.12 | qt-x | hello |
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| 06:44.06 | qt-x | is there a way(relative simple) to install mantis plugins in debian 6.0.5 if mantis was install from debian repo ? (manti v1.1.8) |
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| 06:54.14 | somiaj | qt-x: don't know mantis, but things like that usually ahve a way you can just put the pulgin somewhere in your $HOME dir |
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| 06:56.44 | k-man | what's the meta package to install the whole gnome/desktop environment? |
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| 06:59.28 | qt-x | mantis is a web-server type app (bug tracker) |
| 06:59.29 | k-man | ah, nm, found it |
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| 07:01.04 | captbuzz | hmm |
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| 07:03.23 | zifnab | http://pastebin.com/Ruhn2ZCV |
| 07:03.35 | zifnab | any idea what would cause that? (error is in the last line) |
| 07:03.43 | zifnab | trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 07:06.23 | __zero | sorry if it is a bit offtopic but what could be the reason why I cant strace chromium-browser? it just doenst run |
| 07:07.38 | zifnab | i guess installing packages at random fixes it, nevermind |
| 07:08.04 | day | someone told me debian testing is considered as a "rolling release". but other sources say that its not a rolling release. what exactly is it? |
| 07:08.04 | zifnab | its rolling release |
| 07:08.04 | zifnab | mostly* |
| 07:08.18 | day | doesnt my testing become stable at one point? |
| 07:08.31 | nevyn | yes |
| 07:08.31 | day | or is it possible to break that cycle? |
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| 07:08.56 | nevyn | but then it's no-longer testing and there's a new testing |
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| 07:09.40 | day | is it possible to keep my testing testing? |
| 07:09.40 | zifnab | essentially, if you have your repos set to 'testing', and 'testing' becomes 'stable', you'd update to the new 'testing' |
| 07:09.40 | nevyn | so Stable <=release= testing <=automaticmagic= unstable |
| 07:09.40 | day | zifnab: ok |
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| 07:09.47 | zifnab | if your repos say 'testing' it happens more or less automatically, if they say 'wheezy' you'd have to update it to '<new name>' when 'wheezy' becomes stable |
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| 07:11.00 | zifnab | i wonder what the next name will be... |
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| 07:11.00 | ix_ | has wheezy been frozen? |
| 07:11.00 | zifnab | yup |
| 07:11.00 | ix_ | really? |
| 07:11.00 | day | zifnab: so all ive to do is remove the specific version name from my source.list and then its rolling forever? |
| 07:12.04 | zifnab | day: yup! as far as i know anyways |
| 07:12.04 | day | zifnab: sweet. thx |
| 07:12.04 | simonlnu | !wheezy |
| 07:12.04 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 07:13.08 | zifnab | technically there are still freezes before dist updates (ie, squeeze->wheezy) |
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| 07:13.08 | ix_ | I see |
| 07:13.08 | nevyn | right. |
| 07:13.08 | ix_ | great |
| 07:13.08 | ix_ | I didn't know |
| 07:13.08 | zifnab | so there are chunks of time where it isn't a rolling release, but its still close |
| 07:13.08 | zifnab | !slushy |
| 07:13.08 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 07:13.08 | zifnab | my new favorite page |
| 07:13.08 | nevyn | zifnab: but that's true of unstable too |
| 07:13.08 | zifnab | yup |
| 07:13.08 | zifnab | if you really want rolling releases, gentoo |
| 07:13.08 | ix_ | the freeze is not on the debian news, I wonder why |
| 07:13.09 | zifnab | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/06/msg00009.html |
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| 07:14.41 | ix_ | thank you |
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| 07:15.45 | zifnab | i wonder if this system will even boot after i'm done upgrading |
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| 07:22.38 | k-man | whats the command for modifying which services start and stop at boot time? |
| 07:22.38 | k-man | can't remember the name of it |
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| 07:22.53 | zifnab | update-rc.d? |
| 07:22.54 | Aure` | try insserv |
| 07:23.03 | zifnab | i'm wrong |
| 07:23.16 | scottj | Xorg is really fast for me in Ubuntu 12.04 with xvideo and xrandr working great, but when I use Debian testing neither of those work and everything is laggy. I have xserver-xorg-video-radeon/ati installed on both, no xorg.conf in either, and no fglrx in either, both appear to be xorg 1.11. Can anyone think what else might be different that I should check? |
| 07:23.55 | k-man | thanks Aure` |
| 07:24.02 | Aure` | np ;) |
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| 07:24.51 | zifnab | scottj: wish i could help, i gave up on ubuntu after they pushed out unity |
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