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| 00:00.39 | slidesinger | Ah, maybe glib-2.0 == libglib2.0-0? |
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| 00:09.38 | crash_ | slidesinger: Yeah glib and glibc is not the samething :) |
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| 00:11.36 | simonlnu | slidesinger: yes |
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| 00:12.36 | qdb | is it possible to set shortcuts like ctrl+1 for en ctrl+2 for ru ctrl+3 for ar etc keymaps ? |
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| 00:14.49 | simonlnu | there's ways to do layout switching yes |
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| 00:39.06 | funkadelic | Is there a way to let a regular user run a program on port 80 for extra security? |
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| 00:39.14 | funkadelic | instead of root |
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| 00:40.14 | simonlnu | daemons usually drop rivs once they've bound to port(s) |
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| 00:40.19 | simonlnu | privs* |
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| 00:41.32 | funkadelic | the documentation for this program strongly recommends I run it as a nonroot user http://www.subsonic.org/pages/installation.jsp#debian |
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| 00:42.37 | knob | Hello everyone =) |
| 00:43.26 | crash_ | hey knob :) |
| 00:44.06 | knob | How you doing? |
| 00:44.18 | knob | I'm getting started with Debian over here... using a Dreamplug! =) |
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| 00:44.49 | Rox64 | Dreamplug? |
| 00:45.47 | knob | Yeah, from Globalscale TEch... lemme get a link |
| 00:46.06 | knob | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-dreamplugdetails.aspx |
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| 00:47.44 | Rox64 | That looks nice. |
| 00:49.59 | knob | Yeah! Final "what I want to achieve" is to get a video file saved... and have the dreamplug pull it from an IP camera |
| 00:50.14 | valerie_ | I have a hard disk with bad sectors. There is no OS there right now. I have a live GParted CD, which also has a text interface. What would be the best utility to use to scan the disk and hopefully install Debian there? |
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| 00:51.00 | knob | I... would think you would have to backup the files off-disk first, install Debian... then dump everything back |
| 00:51.07 | knob | My n00b 0.02 |
| 00:51.42 | sney | valerie_: you want to install an OS to a bad drive? why? |
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| 00:52.45 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: a drive with bad sectors will rapidly go bad. |
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| 00:53.04 | Blue1 | yeah hard drives are in the 50-100 range |
| 00:53.15 | sney | you can partition around the bad sectors but it's a losing battle. |
| 00:53.28 | valerie_ | sney, can't I scan the disk and avoid the bad sectors when partitioning and installing Debian? |
| 00:53.58 | sney | you can avoid the bad sectors that it has _now_ but it will continue to fail and develop more bad sectors |
| 00:54.08 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, what is badblocks utility is then for? |
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| 00:54.33 | sney | triage |
| 00:54.46 | knob | guys, any link you can send me to for Debian basic network info? |
| 00:54.56 | knob | I'm googling, yet what comes up isn't... Debian specific |
| 00:54.59 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: a few bad blocks? ok. A lot of bad blocks? disk on the decline. |
| 00:55.34 | sney | knob: what do you mean basic network info? |
| 00:56.04 | funkadelic | I uninstalled apache2 with apt-get purge apache2, but it's still in init.d and it starts when the computer boots. Should I just delete it from init.d? |
| 00:56.12 | jagginess | knob, there's probably an interfaces example in /usr/share/doc/iproute2/examples |
| 00:56.21 | ManoftheSea | knob: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ but claims to be obsolete |
| 00:56.28 | sney | interfaces is documented in 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 00:56.33 | ManoftheSea | So... I dunno lol |
| 00:57.33 | sney | I think if we know what he wants, then we can actually help, rather than just guessing at a vague request |
| 00:57.43 | knob | Headed over there... basic info, I mean... status of eth0 and eth1... |
| 00:58.06 | knob | It's just that out of the box, the dreamplug should be set for DHCP... yet I can't get it to connect to my router using neither of its ethernet ports |
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| 00:58.20 | simonlnu | ip link sh dev eth0 e.g. |
| 00:58.20 | knob | it doesn't "get" an IP... and I don't see it in the router's Client List |
| 00:58.33 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, I had one bad sector, which I avoided when installed Debian. Now I think there is another one. I deleted all the partitions and would to make use of the hard drive for at least a while, but I am not quite sure what would be the best approach |
| 00:58.33 | knob | on my way =) |
| 00:58.35 | simonlnu | ip addr sh dev eth0, etc. |
| 00:59.29 | sney | the programs mii-diag and/or ethtool might also be useful for directly querying the NICs |
| 00:59.39 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 00:59.54 | jagginess | mii-tool says if its half-duplex or full |
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| 01:00.13 | jagginess | (your rj45 should do full-duplex, if not, then change the cable) |
| 01:00.13 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: if you're getting more bad blocks... Well, it's your data. |
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| 01:03.07 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, can I even check for bad sectors when there is nothing on the disk, just free space? |
| 01:03.13 | knob | I've tried like 4 cables... |
| 01:03.25 | knob | One I crimped my self... not sure whats up |
| 01:03.32 | knob | connecting to the box now to check on the commands |
| 01:03.49 | knob | and, would there be a file, like a eth0.conf or something, where the settings are located/ |
| 01:03.50 | knob | ? |
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| 01:04.58 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: you can do a destructive test. |
| 01:05.03 | funkadelic | I uninstalled apache2 with apt-get purge apache2, but it's still in init.d and it starts when the computer boots. Should I just delete it from init.d? |
| 01:05.11 | sney | knob: that's /etc/network/interfaces, you can read the manual for it with 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 01:05.16 | ManoftheSea | Normal cycle is read, write, read or something. |
| 01:05.23 | knob | Thank you! |
| 01:05.36 | ManoftheSea | But a destructive test would write multiple patterns, for full coverage |
| 01:05.52 | sney | funkadelic: apache2 is just the metapackage, the http server is still installed. it'll be called apache2-mpm-something |
| 01:05.59 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, how do I do a destructive test? |
| 01:07.35 | funkadelic | that's weird, I'm purging apache2-mpm-itk and it's autoinstalling new packages |
| 01:08.22 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: man badblocks. But it's the -w option. |
| 01:08.37 | sencha | debian offers security updates for testing? |
| 01:08.42 | sencha | didn't know this o/ |
| 01:08.51 | ManoftheSea | sencha: it does? |
| 01:08.56 | sney | sencha: well, there's a wheezy-security repo, but it's not going to see much activity before the release |
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| 01:09.15 | sney | focus right now is on bug squashing rather than security fixes |
| 01:09.16 | sencha | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 01:09.19 | ManoftheSea | I thought that was a placeholder for when it releases |
| 01:09.34 | sencha | "Currently Debian offers security updates for testing but not for unstable," |
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| 01:10.27 | funkadelic | sney: the default apache page is still up after uninstalling apache2-mpm-itk |
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| 01:10.46 | crash_ | knob: i'm doing ok, just watching some tv :) and you? |
| 01:10.55 | knob | I'm going to download the latest release, and install it on a virtual machine at my main computer... so I can play with it there too |
| 01:10.58 | slidesinger | crash simonlnu: Thanks. |
| 01:11.07 | knob | Awesome crash over here! |
| 01:11.11 | simonlnu | np |
| 01:11.14 | crash_ | slidesinger: np : |
| 01:11.17 | crash_ | :) |
| 01:11.25 | knob | Any "ideal" download for a Virtual Machine? |
| 01:11.28 | crash_ | knob: that is awesome to hear :) |
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| 01:11.50 | Fortunado | hey i have a brand new computer that has internet troubles...i put in an adapter, but my internet speed is only at 50% or less of what it normally is on my other computers |
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| 01:12.03 | Fortunado | and the network card already in it does even poorer |
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| 01:12.12 | Fortunado | does anybody know whats wrong with it? |
| 01:13.34 | crash_ | Fortunado: Are you using wireless or ethernet? maybe you are not using full duplex on your ethernet? |
| 01:13.39 | Fortunado | wireless |
| 01:13.58 | Fortunado | The Asus guy wants me to RMA it back after trying two things |
| 01:13.59 | Fortunado | lol |
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| 01:14.22 | Fortunado | all the drivers are up to date, and the BIOS settings are fine |
| 01:14.27 | crash_ | Fortunado: I see what kind of chipset does your wifi have? |
| 01:14.40 | Fortunado | I even tried to see if it was caching and DNS and that wasnt it |
| 01:14.44 | Fortunado | um how would I know that? |
| 01:14.55 | crash_ | try lspci -nn :) |
| 01:15.29 | Fortunado | it was still trying to download google chrome |
| 01:15.33 | Fortunado | its been really cute today |
| 01:15.37 | Fortunado | was a lot better yesterday lol |
| 01:15.48 | crash_ | hehe |
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| 01:15.52 | Fortunado | whats the command? |
| 01:16.09 | crash_ | just open a terminal and run lspci -nn |
| 01:16.33 | Fortunado | it isnt working as a command |
| 01:16.39 | Fortunado | oh |
| 01:16.42 | Fortunado | i have windows i am on |
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| 01:16.51 | crash_ | that is why :) |
| 01:16.53 | Fortunado | :P |
| 01:17.01 | Fortunado | do u know how to find it on windows? |
| 01:17.06 | crash_ | u need to reboot |
| 01:17.10 | Fortunado | (kind of hard to install linux or anything when internet is so poor) |
| 01:17.13 | Fortunado | okay |
| 01:17.17 | Fortunado | and go to bios or what? |
| 01:17.27 | LtL | Fortunado: system information |
| 01:17.32 | Fortunado | F1? |
| 01:17.36 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, the command sudo badblocks -w gives me adescription of the command usage. Am I missing something in the commND? |
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| 01:17.51 | Fortunado | sorry, i havent tinkered with computers in a long time lol |
| 01:17.55 | Fortunado | is it F1? |
| 01:18.04 | LtL | Fortunado: menu, accessories, system tools, system info iirc |
| 01:18.11 | Fortunado | oh |
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| 01:18.32 | sney | windows shows pci ids in msinfo32, it's tougher to find but it looks like VENxxxx&DEVxxxx or something like that, where the xxxx are the PCI ID numbers |
| 01:18.41 | Fortunado | okay |
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| 01:18.59 | crash_ | you can look under control panel,network adapters |
| 01:19.03 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: man badblocks. But the location would help |
| 01:19.10 | ManoftheSea | You probably want to point it at something |
| 01:20.17 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, thanks a lot |
| 01:20.18 | crash_ | knob, Are you using virtual box or vmware? |
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| 01:20.32 | Fortunado | What is it? PCI Express Root Port? |
| 01:20.40 | knob | vmware |
| 01:21.02 | Fortunado | opps mispelled it lol |
| 01:21.04 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, my disk is empty. What location should I refer to? |
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| 01:22.52 | Fortunado | oh you want what my adapter is |
| 01:22.56 | Fortunado | or what my network card is? |
| 01:23.04 | crash_ | yeah :)¨ |
| 01:23.08 | crash_ | -" |
| 01:23.08 | Fortunado | lol |
| 01:23.09 | Fortunado | oh |
| 01:23.16 | Fortunado | i feel so stupid |
| 01:23.17 | Fortunado | lol |
| 01:23.26 | Fortunado | took me like a minute and i went...duh |
| 01:24.04 | Fortunado | here is the computer |
| 01:24.06 | Fortunado | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220162&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_- |
| 01:24.07 | Fortunado | one sec |
| 01:24.10 | Fortunado | let me pop up |
| 01:24.12 | Fortunado | the adapter |
| 01:24.39 | Fortunado | Atheros PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller is the port |
| 01:24.57 | Fortunado | I have Dynex N wirless adapter working right now |
| 01:25.12 | Fortunado | and some realtek shit for network card |
| 01:25.35 | Fortunado | which we all know is a great product *rolls eyes* |
| 01:26.19 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: to the disk. Though, I feel if you didn't know that, you might not want to use a destructive test. |
| 01:27.10 | Fortunado | so got anything crash_? |
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| 01:27.54 | knob | Here's what my interfaces file says http://pastebin.com/Zbm6q1cs |
| 01:28.02 | knob | Should the computer grab an IP with that? |
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| 01:28.40 | mooglenorph | Hi, so, I realize this is a long shot, but is there a software package somewhere in debian that will let me build graphs and count paths in them? |
| 01:28.52 | mooglenorph | Preferebly with some kind of interactive interface. |
| 01:28.58 | jagginess | knob, you're missing hotplug -> http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 01:29.00 | Fortunado | there is a software, i think its OpenOffice |
| 01:29.10 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, is 'sudo badblocks -w /dev/sda' is close to be correct? |
| 01:29.10 | Fortunado | but I havent used that in a whil |
| 01:29.17 | Fortunado | so I cant remember if it does Graphs |
| 01:29.26 | knob | On my way! |
| 01:29.29 | knob | thanks jagg |
| 01:29.37 | Smaug | hey all. what is the current way to restart the network services? I thought it was "invoke-rc.d/networking restart", but when I execute it it gives me a message saying, "running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated [etc] (warning)". it also causes errors in some circumstances |
| 01:29.48 | Fortunado | does graphics and presentationsa |
| 01:29.53 | Fortunado | mine as well give it a try |
| 01:29.54 | Smaug | *invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 01:30.03 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: that should write various patterns to the whole disk, destorying anything on sda |
| 01:30.10 | ManoftheSea | And then check that they read back properly. |
| 01:30.14 | ManoftheSea | It will take a while. |
| 01:30.25 | Fortunado | http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html |
| 01:30.26 | ManoftheSea | At the end of it, you get a list of bad blocks. |
| 01:30.32 | crash_ | Fortunado, Dynex seems to be a bc43 card but i'm not 100% sure. |
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| 01:30.38 | ManoftheSea | You might want to write that somewhere, such as with the tee command. |
| 01:30.47 | ManoftheSea | good luck |
| 01:30.53 | Fortunado | Yeah but it works so that cant be the problem |
| 01:31.03 | Fortunado | crash_, you got any clue what it is? |
| 01:31.47 | jagginess | ManoftheSea, there's -o . |
| 01:31.48 | LtL | Smaug: don't use invoke-rc.d for that, simply /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:32.06 | Smaug | ok. even though it is allegedly deprecated? |
| 01:32.20 | LtL | Smaug: ah everything is deprecated |
| 01:32.28 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: I've suggested the man page a couple times. I don't know badblocks' options that well. |
| 01:32.33 | LtL | Smaug: still works |
| 01:33.03 | LtL | Smaug: i doubt you'll see that message. |
| 01:33.05 | peterrooney | badblocks itself recommends not calling it directly |
| 01:33.21 | Smaug | LtL: oh no I still see the deprecation message. |
| 01:33.36 | Smaug | why do you recommend using, out of curiosity? |
| 01:33.51 | LtL | Smaug: hrm, last time i tried it didn't, does it work? |
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| 01:34.57 | valerie_ | Manofthesea, I have no data on the disk |
| 01:35.06 | jagginess | peterrooney, it does? where does it say that? |
| 01:35.08 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: then you should be okay. |
| 01:35.16 | ManoftheSea | just don't point it wrong. |
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| 01:35.50 | ManoftheSea | peterrooney: would you suggest a better tool then? How should it be used? |
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| 01:36.55 | knob | I'm trying to restart the networking services, via /etc/init.d |
| 01:37.05 | knob | networking restart ..... yet it tells me that the command not found |
| 01:37.13 | knob | am I in the right directory? |
| 01:37.30 | knob | Scratch that... I messed up |
| 01:37.39 | knob | now it ran when I did the entire line /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:37.52 | Smaug | LtL: kind of....maybe it partially restarts the network? I can ping my server from another computer, but not ping from it. not sure yet what is causing that. Further, I have a "route" command in a Bash script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d that gives errors when in the script and executed upon network restart but gives no errors when run at command line |
| 01:37.56 | jagginess | ManoftheSea, the e2fsck commadn can call it, but the badblocks can be used separately with -o, then the output file can be used with e2fskck's -l |
| 01:38.03 | jagginess | valerie_, ^ |
| 01:38.11 | Smaug | and both types of restarting give the same kind of errors or lack thereof |
| 01:39.05 | frostschutz | try to avoid network restart, it usually fails |
| 01:39.09 | jagginess | valerie_, but in your case e2fsck with -l doesnt apply because you have no partitions made, .. actually scratch the last thing i mentioned, because there's no partitions made.. |
| 01:39.27 | peterrooney | jagginess right at the end of badblock's DESCRIPTION section. "...For this reason, it is strongly recommended that users not run badblocks directly, but rather use the -c option of the e2fsck and mke2fs programs." |
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| 01:39.34 | knob | hotplug worked! |
| 01:39.35 | knob | thanks |
| 01:39.40 | jagginess | good! |
| 01:40.28 | valerie_ | jagginess, what would apply in my case? |
| 01:40.48 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: mke2fs -c -c -other options location |
| 01:40.59 | jagginess | "If the output of badblocks is going to be fed to the e2fsck or mke2fs programs, it is important that the block size is properly specified, since the block numbers which are generated are very dependent on the block size in use by the filesystem." |
| 01:41.10 | jagginess | ^ if she doesnt specify the blocksize properly.. |
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| 01:41.21 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: man mke2fs, look for -c |
| 01:41.22 | jagginess | thing is she has nothing on the drive, no partition or filesystems.. |
| 01:41.45 | karlpinc | runs badblocks all the time -- but _only_ to exercize a new disk before use, just in case there's a problem from the factory. |
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| 01:44.51 | valerie_ | jagginess, so if there are no partitions, I can not scan for bad blocks? |
| 01:45.08 | jagginess | peterrooney, would you happen to know if found badblocks are absolute ? |
| 01:45.45 | jagginess | valerie_, no, it's due to my concern if the badblock #'s are relative.. then it would seem like you'll have to calculate an offset.. and this would be awful |
| 01:45.50 | peterrooney | jagginess: no clue off top of my head |
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| 01:46.10 | jagginess | valerie_, relative to say, badblocks from the start of a partition vs the start "0" of the harddrive |
| 01:46.59 | ManoftheSea | you're going to be creating an ext filesystem, right? |
| 01:47.10 | valerie_ | jagginess, maybe I should make partitions? |
| 01:47.41 | ManoftheSea | valerie_: remember we've already advised you not to use a disk that's going bad. |
| 01:47.59 | ManoftheSea | After that, create partitions, make filesystems with -c to e2fs |
| 01:48.01 | pparadis | nod, much better used as a paperweight. |
| 01:48.02 | ManoftheSea | mke2fs |
| 01:48.02 | jagginess | valerie_, you can, but i cant be of any help if you start doing lvm or advanced stuff.. i never looked into badblocks.. my experience is minimal in this.. |
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| 01:48.55 | pparadis | if the hard drive must be used, parted can give you the offset in bytes for each partition, but yeah... a drive that is going bad really should just be replaced. |
| 01:48.59 | valerie_ | manofthesea, jagginess, thanks. |
| 01:49.55 | jagginess | valerie_, "running the program with a new drive for several days will test the whole surface" << crazy.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badblocks |
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| 01:50.23 | jagginess | valerie_, i guess there's speedier test and more vigourous tests.. |
| 01:51.14 | pparadis | has seen some outfits go from doing backblocks on all new drives to just skipping it, after realizing that the time and labor investment in it was more than the labor required to replace a failed drive in a RAID array when it happens. |
| 01:51.24 | pparadis | s/backblocks/badblocks/ |
| 01:52.04 | pparadis | also, one of these days i'll finally break the habit of saying "RAID array" ... it's like "ATM machine" :) |
| 01:52.08 | valerie_ | jagginess, this is helpful, but I think I will look into it tomorrow. It's getting late here. |
| 01:52.37 | jagginess | hopes valerie_ dreams about him |
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| 01:54.20 | pparadis | be careful what you wish for... valerie is a common male name in some countries ;) |
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| 01:54.57 | pparadis | unless you're down with that, in which case i suppose it would work out great. |
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| 01:57.21 | ManoftheSea | DREAMS? |
| 01:57.37 | ManoftheSea | kinda creepy. |
| 01:57.59 | jagginess | i'm sort of the attitude that debian is my debra :).. ahh |
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| 01:58.21 | ManoftheSea | I sort of understood you. |
| 01:58.32 | ManoftheSea | But I'mma take it to offtopic |
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| 02:24.46 | iluminator105 | does anyone know a good tutorial on turning pics of a book into a digitial book? |
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| 02:36.41 | himuraken | Does anyone have a default /etc/network/interfaces they could paste/send to me? |
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| 02:38.13 | LtL | himuraken: http://paste.debian.net/180164/ |
| 02:38.19 | himuraken | LtL, thanks! |
| 02:38.28 | LtL | himuraken: welcome |
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| 02:38.50 | himuraken | Was mucking about with bridging etc and network manager now hates me :-) Thanks again. |
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| 02:54.57 | peterrooney | network-manager has no business being on anything other than a laptop. |
| 02:55.44 | ManoftheSea | ok |
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| 03:25.08 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 03:25.35 | LtL | johnfg: greetings |
| 03:25.40 | sencha | flash seems to bring chromium to a crawl |
| 03:25.43 | sencha | I didn't notice this on slackware |
| 03:25.54 | johnfg | I'm having trouble *again* with evolution on debian squeeze. Question: how well would the latest work on squeeze from backports? |
| 03:26.08 | Derpian | sencha, do you have the latest flash and latest chromium build? |
| 03:27.30 | sencha | Derpian, I'm using whatever comes on -testing |
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| 03:28.28 | johnfg | squeeze uses 2.30.3-5 (stable), but the latest stable version of evolution itself is: Stable: Evolution 3.4.3 |
| 03:29.31 | johnfg | I'm wondering if the current stable version would fix my problems, if it's available through backports. |
| 03:31.09 | Derpian | sencha, Alright. I don't use testing |
| 03:31.30 | sencha | Derpian, thanks anyway |
| 03:31.31 | sencha | :) |
| 03:32.03 | nomicon_ | hey everyone |
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| 03:44.26 | sencha | gstreamer0.10-alsa is a dependency of xfce4-mixer, yet it doesn't get installed when the mixer does; any idea why? |
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| 03:46.04 | dohgparted | aaaargh ! i think i 've lost my data with gparted :( |
| 03:46.20 | sencha | dohgparted, what happened? |
| 03:46.24 | sencha | and backups++ |
| 03:46.55 | dohgparted | does gparted erase by default (aka zeroed) the data inside a partition when i recreate it ? |
| 03:47.26 | sencha | I wouldn't think so, but I don't know for sure |
| 03:47.29 | dohgparted | sencha: yes , backup++. problem is: i have a backup of / partition, but i lost /home |
| 03:47.45 | sencha | /home is the most important partition to backup! |
| 03:48.10 | jagginess | dohgparted, yes |
| 03:48.11 | dohgparted | i thought it was like using fdisk. but i think it filled the zone with zeros :( |
| 03:48.21 | jagginess | dohgparted, resizing does not delete data |
| 03:49.00 | jagginess | dohgparted, well in any case, you're always supposed to backup data anyways |
| 03:49.16 | jagginess | dohgparted, so you played a risk and paid a heavy price for it |
| 03:49.57 | dohgparted | jagginess: and that is good, since i resized that partition (shrinked) some days before, and i havent yet filled that space. so i am using dd now , to try to recover part (10 or 20 GB , where the entire partition was 90GB ) |
| 03:50.09 | jagginess | tsk |
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| 03:51.34 | dohgparted | jagginess: is there a tool like photorec to allow me to recover: avi, pdf, ascii txt, c sources and zip files ? |
| 03:51.52 | jagginess | dohgparted, there's nothing wrong that gparted did. btw. Gparted doesnt only touch the partition table, it creates a filesystem too. |
| 03:52.12 | jagginess | dohgparted, you lost the superblock table.. |
| 03:52.56 | jagginess | dohgparted, it's possible you might be able to retrieve a backup one but I highly doubt it.. i believe a backup table gets initialized too when creating a filesystem |
| 03:54.33 | jagginess | dohgparted, good luck in trying to use forensic tools-- you can't rely on the existing superblock.. gparted by default doesnt do a full zeroing of the partition.. so you'll have to use advanced forensics on picking up magic numbers.. good luck in that.. |
| 03:54.57 | dohgparted | jagginess: if i get the raw data (via dd) will i be able to recover files? i know that photorec can recover images and videos . Is there a similar tool able to recover ascii text files and pdf files you recommend ? |
| 03:54.58 | jagginess | dohgparted, you can spend weeks trying to recover stuff without a filesystem table.. it'll consume your time |
| 03:55.36 | jagginess | dohgparted, this stuff is trial and error, you definitely wont be able to get back alot |
| 03:56.00 | dohgparted | jagginess: no, gparted DID a fullo zeroing. On ~90GB partition i only have 3 MB that are data (aka "non 00") |
| 03:56.18 | Diopter | dohgparted: You probably told gparted a filesystem when you recreated the partition. |
| 03:56.37 | Diopter | dohgparted: Which is how you inform it to partition And format in one step. |
| 03:57.04 | jagginess | dohgparted, i'm assuming you chose a filesystem, did you? |
| 03:57.19 | jagginess | dohgparted, otherwise you can just search for the superblock and use losetup |
| 03:57.24 | jagginess | and you'll be able to mount it |
| 03:58.02 | jagginess | thinks dohgparted said "recreated" implying he chose a "filesystem" |
| 03:58.09 | Diopter | dohgparted: If you really do have mostly zeros, the only remaining step for potential data recovery is SEM forensics. |
| 03:58.23 | ManoftheSea | tens of thousands of dollars. |
| 03:58.27 | Diopter | dohgparted: Of course, that is assuming that you don't have a backup. Which you should always have. |
| 03:58.51 | Diopter | dohgparted: And if you don't, then I hope this is your first time experiencing why you should always have a backup. |
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| 03:58.58 | Diopter | Only took one for me :P |
| 03:58.59 | jagginess | Diopter, 90 gigs |
| 03:59.02 | Diopter | Yes. |
| 03:59.11 | jagginess | can't blame gparted for that.. |
| 03:59.17 | Diopter | Know how much it costs to buy an external hard drive to put 90GB on? |
| 03:59.18 | jagginess | always backup your data |
| 03:59.28 | ManoftheSea | Diopter: probably about the same as a 1TB hdd |
| 03:59.31 | Diopter | If you can even Find one that's smaller than 1TB these days, it'll put you out maybe $50-100 |
| 03:59.32 | jagginess | they dont even make 90gig drives |
| 03:59.44 | ManoftheSea | that's what I was saying |
| 03:59.48 | Diopter | Know how much it costs to lose data that you can't replace? |
| 03:59.52 | Diopter | A lot more than $100. |
| 04:00.07 | dohgparted | Diopter: the problem: i was using dd to dump a partition from a disk to another. instead (error) i gave dd the wrong disk letter (sda2 instead of sdc2) so it started writing on sda2 (logical partition). sda2 contains swap and the /home partition (ext3). so i rebooted with gparted cd and when i saw there was no longer a partition i tried to recreate it to start recovery. but my problem consisted in assuming that gparted behaves like fdisk (and i learned |
| 04:00.07 | Diopter | In time, resources, etc |
| 04:00.07 | epsilon | regexp anyone? from apache: <FilesMatch \.(?i:gif|jpe?g|png)$> what does the ?i: stand for? |
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| 04:00.30 | Diopter | epsilon: Optional occurrence of preceding character. |
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| 04:00.43 | jagginess | dohgparted, sda2 contains "swap and the home partition" ? |
| 04:00.48 | jagginess | dohgparted, ^ not possible |
| 04:00.50 | Diopter | epsilon: Which is... wrong in that regex. |
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| 04:01.12 | jagginess | dohgparted, unless you mean you're using a "swap file" on a home partition |
| 04:01.37 | jagginess | dohgparted, you actually only made it worse with gparted |
| 04:01.41 | Diopter | jagginess: They said sda2 was a logical partition. That's actually how they work. In a MSDOS partition table, you get 4 primary slots. |
| 04:01.50 | Diopter | If you want to use "logical" partitions, that takes up a primary slot |
| 04:01.59 | Diopter | And there's a subtable stored inside it |
| 04:02.23 | Diopter | So you can absolutely have, say, sda5 and sda6 be swap and /home inside sda2. |
| 04:02.32 | Diopter | Just that linux usually doesn't show the sda2. |
| 04:02.51 | Diopter | Also, logical partitions make me D: |
| 04:02.54 | dohgparted | jagginess: sda2 is an extended partition. is was used by other two partitions: swap and /home |
| 04:03.17 | jagginess | dohgparted, ok |
| 04:03.22 | jagginess | dohgparted, you lost the EMBR |
| 04:03.35 | epsilon | Diopter: thats why i'm wondering... it's from apache.org and I dont understand what they mean with ?i: |
| 04:03.42 | jagginess | dohgparted, you probably didnt lose anything for /home.. how big is the swap partition and when did you do "ctl-c" ? |
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| 04:04.59 | dohgparted | jagginess: the dd thing against sda2 stopped at the instant (error was something like end-of-file reached , i suppose it is because it was an extended partition) |
| 04:05.01 | jagginess | dohgparted, did the "swap" partition come first or the /home one ? |
| 04:05.08 | Diopter | epsilon: Ostensibly they were attempting to match gif, jpg, jpeg and png. So that'd be more like <Files Match \.(gif|jpe?g|png)$>. No idea why the ?, i and : are stuck in there. |
| 04:05.28 | jagginess | dohgparted, then you lose everything.. |
| 04:05.43 | jagginess | dohgparted, there's nothing to recover.. |
| 04:05.48 | dohgparted | but then i have the problem of gparted , and with that error (using gparted instead of fdisk to recreate the partition) i totally killed /home data. |
| 04:06.11 | dohgparted | jagginess: i thinks it comes before (not sure). |
| 04:06.21 | Diopter | dohgparted: I believe gparted can recreate a partition without formatting. You just have to tell it the filesystem is unformatted, or raw, or similar. |
| 04:06.48 | Diopter | Obviously not much use now, just saying for future reference. |
| 04:06.54 | jagginess | dohgparted, well theres' nothing to recover, the end-of-file was reached.. and i bet it was way more than 2 gigs.. which is typically the size of a swap partition |
| 04:07.15 | Rusty1 | throws in http://lde.sourceforge.net/ , old, may not be usefull and theres gpart (not gparted) as well |
| 04:08.23 | jagginess | Diopter, for future use, he should always backup his data. he was just naive |
| 04:08.37 | jagginess | says "it can happen to you" |
| 04:08.40 | Diopter | ^^^^^^ +9001 |
| 04:08.45 | dohgparted | jagginess: there is something to recover! as i told before: i shrinked /home partition just some days before the cataclism. then i created (in the freed space ) a new partition where i installed another wheezy (small partition). so i still have something like 10 or 20 GB free that werent used after the shrink operation. i could recover some pieces from that ... |
| 04:08.58 | Diopter | dohgparted: photorec time |
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| 04:09.44 | jagginess | dohgparted, but the two partitions were contiguous? how big was the dd transfer, and how big were the partitions in /dev/sda2 ? |
| 04:10.28 | dohgparted | jagginess: the end-of-file thing means that dd have written only very few data (less then 1 MB) . Just what's needed to kill the extended partition making /home disappear in the partition table.. btw |
| 04:10.58 | Court | Say, does anyone have any recommendations for a remote network monitoring/management/security suite taht has a web interface? |
| 04:11.00 | Diopter | dohgparted: Why aren't you running testdisk on this? |
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| 04:11.53 | jagginess | dohgparted, as i said.. you can try to scan for the superblock, use losetup then mount /home |
| 04:11.59 | jagginess | dohgparted, you lost the EMBR.. |
| 04:12.20 | Diopter | Testdisk. Testdisk? Testdisk! |
| 04:12.26 | jagginess | no.. |
| 04:12.28 | Diopter | And if that fails, photorec |
| 04:12.32 | jagginess | i can tell him how to mount /home :) |
| 04:12.32 | Rusty1 | Court: there are a few, mrtg, nagios come to mind |
| 04:12.44 | dohgparted | Diopter: i tried testdisk but it's of no use. Also , as i said. that zone is GONE. i simply need to concentrate on the few GB that were untouched after the resize i did some days before. |
| 04:12.44 | jagginess | dohgparted, i'll get you the command to scan for the superblock.. |
| 04:13.17 | Diopter | Rusty1: MRTG and Nagios aren't for management or security. |
| 04:13.18 | jagginess | says dohgparted is likely to still mount home, provided the superblock still exists |
| 04:14.14 | jagginess | dohgparted, only thing you have to know if you did a "format" on /dev/sda2 or did you recreate hte logical partitions and create a format on those two logical partitions? |
| 04:14.25 | jagginess | dohgparted, ^ ? |
| 04:14.48 | dohgparted | Diopter: jagginess : also , when using gparted, when i noticed that it was zeroing the data i stopped it (some seconds after the start). problem is: this is and SSD disk :( so , on 90GB i have only 2MB of raw data. |
| 04:14.53 | jagginess | dohgparted, if you did #2, then you can't scan for the superblock i was talking about |
| 04:15.08 | jagginess | dohgparted, did you do #1 or #2 ? |
| 04:16.14 | jagginess | dohgparted, you're saying you only made an extended partition, and try to do a make swap but cancelled the formatting for the swap partition? |
| 04:16.29 | dohgparted | jagginess: i never removed/recreate the extended partition. i simply recreated the home partition inside it. |
| 04:16.29 | Rusty1 | Diopter: true enough |
| 04:16.56 | jagginess | dohgparted, "recreate" means you had to make a 2nd logical partition, there's also swap |
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| 04:18.02 | jagginess | dohgparted, so in the extended partition, you only tried to make /home ? |
| 04:18.20 | jagginess | dohgparted, and from what offset inside the extended partition did you try to recreate it? |
| 04:18.30 | sencha | should I be running the -rt kernel or the regular one? |
| 04:18.57 | dohgparted | jagginess: ok, i 've just checked: swap and /home were gone. so i recreated an ext3 partition there, to be able to easyly access it via dd for recovery. |
| 04:19.01 | jagginess | cant help without answerws |
| 04:19.22 | jagginess | dohgparted, what is "there"? |
| 04:19.38 | dohgparted | so, while creating that partition gparted zeroed the swap zone and the /home zone. |
| 04:19.49 | jagginess | dohgparted, you had empty unallocated space in front of this ext3 ? |
| 04:20.43 | jagginess | dohgparted, dont explain things.. you'll confuse me what you were trying |
| 04:20.51 | dohgparted | jagginess: i used ALL the extended partition (there was no more a swap partition) |
| 04:21.29 | dohgparted | jagginess: 'there' means : inside the external partition |
| 04:21.35 | jagginess | dohgparted, and this is the operation you cancelled after a very short time too .. is this the operation you're talking about? |
| 04:22.03 | dohgparted | i did that because i didnt even remember how big was swap partition. |
| 04:22.29 | jagginess | dohgparted, but before all this, just a last question, was the "swap" before the "home" (do you remember?)? |
| 04:23.50 | dohgparted | jagginess: yes , it is. the gparted recreation thing. So now that zone of the disk is full of zeroes (i checked with dd + xxd ). |
| 04:23.51 | jagginess | dohgparted, ok so you dont remember, try searching the superblock, you may be able to mount it after using losetup |
| 04:25.30 | dohgparted | jagginess: i think swap was before home. yes, it *must* be. This because i then shrinked (last week) /home and then i shrinked the extended partition to be able to use some space to create another partition. |
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| 04:28.00 | dohgparted | jagginess: i 'll not be able to mount it because that zone is *GONE* . It is full of *ZEROS*. So the 90GB partition is GONE. All i need now is to try to recover some data from the zone at the end of the disk. That zone is unused at the moment , but last week it was part of the /home partition. |
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| 04:28.27 | jagginess | dohgparted, hexdump -v /dev/sda2 | grep EF53 |
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| 04:29.03 | jagginess | dohgparted, you'll get some count near the beginning, but if there's some magic number much later you may be able to mount it (with the help of losetup) |
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| 04:30.20 | dohgparted | so: if i have a dd image full of data what program do you advice me to use to recover as much files i can? |
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| 04:30.31 | dohgparted | jagginess: that command gives nothing |
| 04:30.38 | jagginess | dohgparted, you're saying "home" is also in a "dd" image? |
| 04:30.49 | Diopter | Nothing like uploading new firmware to a switch over a serial cable using ymodem |
| 04:30.51 | dohgparted | sda2 is the extended partition, it doesnt contains EF53 string |
| 04:30.53 | jagginess | dohgparted, hexdump has to be installed |
| 04:31.20 | jagginess | thinks dohgparted is greedily stubborn |
| 04:31.28 | jagginess | he cant answer my questions i give up |
| 04:31.46 | dohgparted | jagginess: i did an image of all the involved zone (the zone inside the extended partition) and i found out that it is full of zeroes except of 2 megabytes. |
| 04:32.21 | dohgparted | jagginess: i'm using backtrack-forensic for recovery. it contains hexdump |
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| 04:33.56 | dohgparted | jagginess: what questions? i answered to all questions. i said that EF53 string IS NOT FOUND. claro? |
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| 04:34.30 | jagginess | that command would take hours to run |
| 04:34.33 | jagginess | bye |
| 04:35.35 | dohgparted | jagginess: no, that command takes 2 secs to run. because SDA2 IS AN EXTENDED PARTITION. it does contains NO DATA. it contains ONLY metadata about the contained partitions. |
| 04:36.17 | dohgparted | what a moron. |
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| 04:38.37 | brolin_empey | Has anyone here successfully used the Debian GNU/Linux package of wput to upload a file to an FTP server which requires TLS/SSL connections? |
| 04:39.52 | dohgparted | jagginess , in case you read logs: maybe you typoed that command? the right one could be "hexdump -v /dev/*sda3* |grep EF53" where sda3 is the *home* partition ( and *not* the external one of your wrong command) |
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| 04:40.16 | Diopter | brolin_empey: You really shouldn't use FTP. |
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| 04:41.10 | dohgparted | brolin_empey: have you tried sshfs instead? (sftp) |
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| 04:44.13 | dohgparted | thinks jagginess it greedily dumb [for the logs :) ] |
| 04:44.19 | dohgparted | bye |
| 04:44.42 | dohgparted | thanks Diopter i'll try photorec |
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| 05:54.12 | Diopter | Quite |
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| 06:00.34 | raptor67682 | a question. how to konwo that you have been hacked? on my apache, all files have been deleted. |
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| 06:02.08 | Diopter | raptor67682: That's a pretty good indication. |
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| 06:03.15 | raptor67682 | Diopter: why they do such a thing? it seems that it is only on the website, and they didnt get the password. maybe my website, ( I mean my PHP ) , was not sufficiently secured |
| 06:03.41 | Diopter | PHP is hard to secure. |
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| 06:04.24 | sweb | what's mean of http://pastie.org/private/itshhcrnbwzomdfkh1qbkg |
| 06:04.28 | raptor67682 | Diopter: you may think that PHP could be the issue? I had it, - the website, relatively simple |
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| 06:05.47 | raptor67682 | Diopter: not too much php code, simple frames, ... How can a hacker pass-through the PHP and get allowance to delete everything? Is it really possible? I believed that my website had no security hole |
| 06:06.28 | Getty | ok |
| 06:06.31 | Getty | apeiron has +o |
| 06:06.35 | Getty | and crazedpsyc has +f |
| 06:06.35 | raptor67682 | Diopter: so if you keep it simple, only html, and simple webiste, you might increase your chances of security and avoiding breaches, no? |
| 06:06.43 | Getty | oh sorry, wrong channel 8-) |
| 06:08.01 | Getty | raptor67682: if you have only static pages, served by a decent webserver (like nginx), then you can be pretty sure that noone brakes in through this way |
| 06:08.19 | simonlnu | raptor67682: weaknesses in code - bugs/exploits/insecure file/dir perms, etc. any number of things. |
| 06:08.38 | simonlnu | s/brakes/breaks/ |
| 06:08.58 | raptor67682 | simonlnu: yeah , but on all my packages, I did put a index.html so they could never see the all files, did they/he/she? |
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| 06:09.58 | simonlnu | dirindex/listing disabled, that would be moot (but good practice anyway) |
| 06:10.12 | Getty | i dont trust apache, but thats just personal ;) (on old apache you were able to brake through the http auth protection of htaccess just by hitting return often enough....) |
| 06:10.16 | simonlnu | security is layered |
| 06:10.31 | simonlnu | s/brake/break/ |
| 06:10.52 | raptor67682 | simonlnu: how to check this dirindex disable? on the server apache, you mean, or in the website creation? |
| 06:11.08 | simonlnu | the httpd of course |
| 06:11.21 | simonlnu | uses nginx |
| 06:11.56 | raptor67682 | I guess that it is disabled... |
| 06:12.21 | raptor67682 | ahhh maybe there ... .htaccess this is pretty loosy, no ? |
| 06:12.39 | raptor67682 | .htaccess is nowadays very easy to break, isnt it? |
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| 06:15.12 | softrom | ciao |
| 06:15.16 | softrom | !list |
| 06:15.16 | dpkg | softrom: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 06:15.51 | project2501b | during apt-get install, can you tell apt *not* to include some packages? |
| 06:16.39 | sencha_ | apt-get install -package_you_don't_want_installed |
| 06:16.43 | nsadmin | project2501b, you can tell it to not install recommends or suggests, not depends |
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| 06:17.19 | project2501b | nsadmin , ok but sometimes apt is just wrong |
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| 06:17.31 | project2501b | like if you install mediawiki, it wants to install mysql-server as well |
| 06:17.45 | project2501b | and that's a dependency not a recommend :( |
| 06:17.49 | nsadmin | it's not apt that's wrong, if anything it's the data it receives |
| 06:18.01 | nsadmin | what are the packages involved? |
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| 06:18.29 | project2501b | nsadmin: mediawiki , latest version |
| 06:18.35 | project2501b | pulls in mysql server |
| 06:18.57 | pparadis | no |
| 06:18.59 | pparadis | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mediawiki |
| 06:19.05 | pparadis | rec: mysql-server |
| 06:19.18 | nsadmin | doesn't mediawiki need a way of storing content? |
| 06:19.31 | nsadmin | so that's a recommend |
| 06:19.44 | project2501b | yes, it does, but say, i got the db already on another machine |
| 06:20.02 | project2501b | why do i need to pull mysql-server as del? |
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| 06:20.28 | sencha_ | project2501a, it's probably compiled with support for mysql, whatever that means |
| 06:20.37 | simonlnu | mediawiki can do postgres too |
| 06:20.43 | nsadmin | project2501b, you can tell apt to not pull in recommends |
| 06:20.56 | pparadis | mysql-server is not a requirement. it is a recommend. |
| 06:21.03 | simonlnu | default is mysql |
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| 06:21.47 | sweb | is debian have packages for more aliases in console ? |
| 06:21.59 | sweb | for example `ll` instead of `ls -la` |
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| 06:22.07 | project2501b | hm |
| 06:22.11 | project2501b | ok guys thank you |
| 06:22.13 | project2501b | off to rowk |
| 06:22.16 | project2501b | work, even |
| 06:22.23 | pparadis | project2501b: --no-install-recommends |
| 06:22.27 | pparadis | for apt-get |
| 06:22.30 | nsadmin | yue can rowk at work |
| 06:22.32 | pparadis | there's a similar option for aptitude |
| 06:22.34 | project2501b | it's 47 degrees here in saudi arabia |
| 06:22.52 | project2501b | nsadmin: i think i will keep on reading the make manual. |
| 06:22.56 | simonlnu | sweb: not really. there's various around to set some up for you, on the web. |
| 06:23.12 | Konomi | sweb: do nano .bashrc |
| 06:23.24 | Konomi | you'll find the alias you just menitoned commented in there |
| 06:23.25 | simonlnu | e.g. oh-my-zsh for zsh |
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| 06:23.33 | nsadmin | project2501b, do you have the info pages? perhaps they turn out more enjoyable |
| 06:23.56 | Konomi | well nano ~/.bashrc |
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| 06:28.16 | nsadmin | project2501b, aptitude install make-doc then try info make |
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| 06:42.49 | raptor67682 | how to install debian on a harddisk that has cluster defects (given same). basides my hdd will not die soon, it is over many years liek this |
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| 06:43.21 | raptor67682 | the command is to create manually maybe a ext3, to fsck with cluster check, and then to get it installed no? |
| 06:44.05 | Devastator | installation should take care of it automatically |
| 06:45.53 | raptor67682 | Devastator: are you really sure ? I never saw that teh debian installer (with dialog cli way) does care about clusters checking ... |
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| 06:46.25 | raptor67682 | I am kinda sure that it is impossible to ask debian-installer for bad cluster check, ... furthermore for the SWAP |
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| 06:46.47 | boudiccas | where do i find logs of my firewall please in squeeze? i've looked at /var/logs/dmesg but couldnt see any messages from it |
| 06:47.02 | Devastator | raptor67682 well, when it writes to disk, it will know what's the available area |
| 06:47.10 | raptor67682 | (at least etch version of debian-installer) |
| 06:47.37 | raptor67682 | Devastator: yeah, and it takes ages writing on teh bad cluster, and then when you boot it nothing works |
| 06:48.05 | boudiccas | raptor67682: tias |
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| 06:48.37 | raptor67682 | With etch, I did create the partition ext3 empty, then, I did ask to debian - installer to copy the files onto the already " fsck - ed " (cluster removed from list) harddisk (parittions) |
| 06:48.52 | raptor67682 | the problem is that the fsck does not work with swap to remove bad clusters |
| 06:49.24 | Devastator | ok, perhaps someone can answer better |
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| 06:50.31 | dizzylizzy | all right. I run wheezy usually but I am trying to install Squeeze right now on a separate partition. When booting from the install CD, it stalls at the initial ISOLINUX statement. This happens for all linux CDs I burn not just for squeeze. One site said it might be a bad burn, so I burned it at 16x instead of maximum, with the same results. bad discs perhaps? I mean, I can access the data from inside an OS without a problem. Any ideas? |
| 06:52.03 | raptor67682 | Devastator: I believe you. On etch, installing normally never worked.. I had to make it myself with another booting and pendrive debian live |
| 06:52.49 | Devastator | after etch, we had sarge, then lenny, and now squeeze |
| 06:53.15 | Devastator | what i mean is, a lot of things changed since etch |
| 06:53.50 | dizzylizzy | like gaim -> pidgin, ha, i still remember that |
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| 07:01.27 | raptor67682 | Devastator: I am entered the installer... I am looking for a piece of hardware. lost somewhere in my drawer. I let you know if that worked |
| 07:01.50 | Devastator | raptor67682 great! |
| 07:01.54 | Devastator | good luck |
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| 07:02.36 | boudiccas | where do i find logs of my firewall please in squeeze? i've looked at /var/logs/dmesg but couldnt see any messages from it |
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| 07:03.38 | simonlnu | need to set up logging in the rules first |
| 07:04.35 | dizzylizzy | would it be possible to create a little partition on my hard drive to host the contents of the install CD, boot into that, and install in other free space from there? |
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| 07:05.10 | dizzylizzy | i've never heard of anybody doing that but these CDs are terrible it seems, I can't even get to the kernel |
| 07:05.41 | dizzylizzy | would copying the files from the CD to an empty ext3 be enough |
| 07:06.05 | Devastator | i think it's possible |
| 07:06.12 | Devastator | debootstrap?! |
| 07:06.21 | dizzylizzy | i've heard of that before... i should google |
| 07:06.28 | boudiccas | i've got logging set up in my firewall, '-A OUTPUT -j LOG --log-prefix "Unknown Output" --log-level 6 ' , but where do i find the log output please? |
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| 07:09.03 | dizzylizzy | wow a lot of these instructions remind me of linuxfromscratch |
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| 07:09.09 | dizzylizzy | thank you Devastator |
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| 07:12.09 | Devastator | dizzylizzy is this what you want? :) |
| 07:12.12 | simonlnu | boudiccas: you then conf your syslogd to capture those messages |
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| 07:13.56 | qw12 | i am trying assign swap space |
| 07:14.04 | qw12 | but only partitions it shows is home boot etc. |
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| 07:14.46 | simonlnu | swapon -s will show you active swaps |
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| 07:15.54 | project2501a | swapon |
| 07:15.56 | project2501a | swapoff |
| 07:16.04 | project2501a | faster, daniel-san |
| 07:16.47 | \Jan | "swap on, swap off, the swapper!" |
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| 07:17.01 | \Jan | From the people who brought you "the clapper" |
| 07:18.56 | qw12 | its a fresh install and i am trying to create partitions |
| 07:19.15 | qw12 | it shows mount points as / /home /boot etc. but not anyting relating to swap |
| 07:20.07 | \Jan | I don't think swap shows up as a mount |
| 07:20.13 | qw12 | ok |
| 07:20.25 | qw12 | how do i assign some free unpartitioned disk space as swap ? |
| 07:20.43 | qw12 | during squeeze installation ? |
| 07:20.52 | \Jan | format it as swap |
| 07:21.11 | project2501a | set the partition to be formatted as swap from the partition manager you are using |
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| 07:21.27 | qw12 | i don't think it gave an optoin |
| 07:21.34 | project2501a | if a partition manager is not showing up, then please select one from the modules to be loaded |
| 07:21.35 | qw12 | it asked if you want to create a partition and i said yes |
| 07:21.42 | project2501a | parted is a bit more user friendly |
| 07:21.43 | qw12 | then it asked for mount point and presented a few options |
| 07:21.56 | qw12 | i am using SQUEEZE INSTALLATION DVD |
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| 07:22.15 | qw12 | so stuck with whatever tools it gives |
| 07:23.02 | cantido | Is there any way to make tar update directories with the files from the tar instead of nuking the existing directories? I tried -k as that seemed like what I wanted but it still removed the existing files |
| 07:23.21 | \Jan | qw12: is 'none' an option |
| 07:23.22 | \Jan | ? |
| 07:23.43 | qw12 | no |
| 07:23.48 | qw12 | well yes i can leave it umounted |
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| 07:25.43 | project2501a | qw12: swap partitions do not get mounted |
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| 07:26.38 | qw12 | yeah i already got that |
| 07:26.53 | qw12 | what i am trying to do is create a swap partition during debian installation using the DVD |
| 07:27.16 | qw12 | should i leave it unmounted finish the installation and then come back to debian and create it then ? |
| 07:27.22 | Phiscribe | i always make my swap partition pre-installation |
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| 07:28.06 | qw12 | Phiscribe: how do to that with debian squeeze installatoin dvd ? |
| 07:29.06 | Phiscribe | i use a live cd and a parition manager |
| 07:29.21 | qw12 | and how do designate as swap ? |
| 07:29.31 | Phiscribe | format as swap |
| 07:29.32 | qw12 | so once you designtate you use the debian install cvd ? |
| 07:29.43 | \Jan | As far as I know, adding the line to /etc/fstab and having the drive present is enough |
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| 07:29.53 | fredl | 'morning |
| 07:30.09 | Phiscribe | i set the partitions before i start the instalation, i never use the installer to muddle with my partitions |
| 07:30.22 | \Jan | Pretty sure there's thing in the debian wiki about how to add it post install |
| 07:30.27 | qw12 | and the installer picks up and knows which is swap automatically ? |
| 07:30.37 | fredl | when I look in /etc/rc2.d there's a whole bunch of services that have S02... |
| 07:30.47 | fredl | how's it determined which one starts first? |
| 07:30.49 | boudiccas | whats a good program to use with streaming radio please on squeeze? |
| 07:30.57 | Phiscribe | you can install without a swap partition, is the os that uses the swap not the installer |
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| 07:31.03 | raptor67682 | Devastator: well, in the pottato there was some options to check tghe bad clusters, and then it has been removed |
| 07:31.22 | \Jan | http://wiki.debian.org/Swap |
| 07:31.22 | qw12 | Phiscribe: that's 0 information and irrelevant |
| 07:31.23 | Devastator | raptor67682 maybe because they implement something better or automatic |
| 07:31.36 | raptor67682 | Devastator: maybe in sarge or etch, this option of checking bad clusters has been decided to be removed, so I do not believe that it ought to be there still |
| 07:31.41 | qw12 | Phiscribe: obviously that's the case, the question is how to make the installer create one |
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| 07:31.56 | Phiscribe | or you dont comprehend is another option |
| 07:32.01 | Devastator | raptor67682 have you tested squeeze's netinstall? |
| 07:32.10 | qw12 | Phiscribe: i am aware of that option, i need the swap space |
| 07:32.17 | fredl | it looks like my S02pdns starts *before* my S02mysql, which is kinda unwanted as I use pdns's mysql backend |
| 07:32.31 | qw12 | Phiscribe: i see why you said that, but yes i do need the partition as my memory is low |
| 07:32.33 | raptor67682 | Devastator: I have netinstall squeeze now , on the installer |
| 07:32.52 | Devastator | raptor67682 is it installing? |
| 07:33.37 | Phiscribe | i dont remeberer the setup program, the debian install, the install tool, whatever, having much of any options for setting up swap, thats why i set it up pre-install, i havent ran the installer lately, i think if a swap partiont is there, the installer my list it but you can install with our without swap, its not required to install linux or debian |
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| 07:33.52 | fredl | would I simply put $mysql in the Required-Start line for pdns? |
| 07:34.40 | qw12 | Phiscribe: can i use a file for swap partition after installing debian, the file being a file on the root partition (or something) of course |
| 07:35.13 | simonlnu | qw12: yes, called a swap file |
| 07:35.24 | Phiscribe | ok, my suggestion is to set up a swap partition pre-install, you probably can do it after install, but i dont think during install, thats all i can add, sorry i have no more |
| 07:36.19 | simonlnu | fredl: i had to stick some LSB stuff in to /etc/insserv/overrides/ for pdns and bind9 |
| 07:36.23 | qw12 | simonlnu: ok, thanks |
| 07:37.22 | simonlnu | np |
| 07:37.50 | fredl | simonlnu, oh the startup sequences is not calculated by the requires/provides then? |
| 07:38.07 | raptor67682 | the problem is that with debian-installer |
| 07:38.28 | raptor67682 | once it automatically create the partitions, then it starts to copy, and I guess would be suited to ask y/n cont |
| 07:38.36 | raptor67682 | then i could fsck it for bad clusters |
| 07:40.12 | simonlnu | fredl: it is, but sometimes it orders them a little off. most of the time it's ok, but special cases need more attention. |
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| 07:40.41 | simonlnu | i have to order pdns and bind9 a special way e.g. |
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| 07:57.19 | \Jan | okay so, I can use apt-get -b source <package> to get the sources and compile a package easily, but how do I specify other things like optimization level and such? |
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| 07:57.26 | \Jan | just messing around and curious |
| 07:58.51 | nsadmin | \Jan, sure... or leave out the -b if you want to look at the source first |
| 07:59.19 | nsadmin | have your curr dir be somewhere writable and enough space to build |
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| 07:59.36 | \Jan | nsadmin: but how do I specify build options for it? |
| 07:59.47 | nsadmin | look at debian/rules |
| 08:00.02 | nsadmin | and there are also env vars that are influential |
| 08:00.59 | nsadmin | the -b won't allow you to specify much if anything... it just gets the source and builds the package |
| 08:01.41 | \Jan | ah okay |
| 08:02.05 | nsadmin | you may wish to get the build requirements too, |
| 08:02.26 | nsadmin | for that you can try apt-get build-dep <pkgname> |
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| 08:03.17 | oops | Is each line of a GNU Makefile target run in parallel? |
| 08:03.31 | nsadmin | no, I don't think so |
| 08:03.41 | nsadmin | they're each run in their own shell |
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| 08:04.08 | nsadmin | unless you subshell and separate with ; or && |
| 08:04.16 | \Jan | so then is there similarly super-easy way to build it after you've edited debian/rules? |
| 08:04.35 | nsadmin | I like: |
| 08:04.42 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 08:04.46 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 08:04.52 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 08:05.18 | nsadmin | if everything goes well, the package(s) will be in .. |
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| 08:07.11 | \Jan | nsadmin: well according to the manpage, the Configuration item for -b is APT::Get::Compile |
| 08:07.51 | \Jan | so can I do something like uh `apt-get -b source <package> -o APT::Get::Compile=-Some-make-option |
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| 08:08.05 | matlads | Im getting this deboostrap warning when using the debian-6.0.5-amd64-DVD-1.iso: mount_2.17.2-9_amd64.deb was corrupt |
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| 08:08.10 | Mamsik | hi neegers |
| 08:08.14 | matlads | has anyone of us run across this? |
| 08:08.32 | nsadmin | \Jan, that may or may not be influencial... check debian/rules |
| 08:08.36 | Mamsik | what? |
| 08:08.50 | pparadis | Mamsik: do you have a debian support question? |
| 08:09.29 | nsadmin | considers !ops mamsik hate speech |
| 08:09.52 | Mamsik | beeber loh! |
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| 08:10.34 | Mamsik | beeber fuck! |
| 08:10.48 | pparadis | !ops Mamsik needs to go |
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| 08:22.02 | simonlnu | nsadmin: Siberia Branch of OJSC MegaFon internal route. |
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| 08:22.40 | simonlnu | mnt-by: MEGAFON-RIPE-MNT |
| 08:22.41 | simonlnu | remarks: Also known as Kris Werewolf |
| 08:23.15 | simonlnu | adds a netblock to the drop list |
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| 08:25.14 | nsadmin | simonlnu, not sure I understand |
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| 08:25.29 | simonlnu | whois for the idiot troll |
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| 08:25.36 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 08:29.35 | psiklops | hi. when i want to start gparted from commandline $ sudo gparted , i get this error: (gpartedbin:2199): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 && what do i have to configure to get gparted to be displayed |
| 08:30.31 | pparadis | psiklops: what version of debian are you using? |
| 08:30.49 | psiklops | squeeze (stable) |
| 08:31.34 | pparadis | you probably need to use gksu or gksudo |
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| 08:33.10 | simonlnu | huh, he said probably</beavis & butthead> |
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| 08:34.39 | pparadis | simonlnu: enjoy --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCF3ywukQYA#t=1m3s |
| 08:34.50 | dizzylizzy | ohh i wanted ch04s04.html.en |
| 08:35.01 | pparadis | let's get some shoes. |
| 08:35.04 | simonlnu | pparadis: :) |
| 08:35.08 | pparadis | <3 |
| 08:35.36 | psiklops | thanx |
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| 08:49.39 | simonlnu | pparadis: "sheus" |
| 08:50.21 | simonlnu | (before yt was google-ised...) |
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| 09:03.10 | mallxs | hi, can i make gvim to open a file in a tab if i click on a file in Nautilus ? |
| 09:05.10 | ronny | hi |
| 09:05.36 | ronny | i wonder - is there a repo of the latest vanilla kernel versions, so i dont have to compile myself? |
| 09:06.54 | project2501a | is the MIT license compatible with the debian guidelines? |
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| 09:07.50 | _doomster_ | good morning! |
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| 09:11.25 | nsadmin | project2501a, the dfsg guidelines ought to be somewhere, shows what a license can and can't restrict to still be dfsg-free... also has examples of licenses that are |
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| 09:13.18 | simonlnu | !dfsg |
| 09:13.18 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 09:15.44 | Damie | I need to reinstall my computer, but back up first to an usb exturnal drive. which is better to use tar or dd ? |
| 09:16.05 | nsadmin | tar |
| 09:16.25 | nsadmin | do you have multiple partitions? |
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| 09:17.00 | Damie | yes one windows and one linux |
| 09:18.01 | Damie | will be using 2x drives 1 for each partition |
| 09:18.57 | nsadmin | oh ok, so one tarball for the linux partition... cd / ; tar --one-file-system cfp /path/to/backup/file.tar |
| 09:19.20 | nsadmin | as far as the windows partition, dunno |
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| 09:20.01 | Damie | what is dunno ? |
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| 09:20.12 | nsadmin | I do not know about how to back up windows |
| 09:20.41 | nsadmin | and the tar command needs a . at the end |
| 09:21.12 | Damie | ok I am mainly want the linux part |
| 09:21.30 | Damie | thank you for the help |
| 09:21.38 | nsadmin | this will not backup anything outside of the / partition like chainloaders (for windows or grub) |
| 09:23.00 | Damie | that should be fine, because I am reloading it with a root, home part this time |
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| 09:23.34 | nsadmin | if you're going to reinstall anyway, the backup will probably not do much more than peace of mind |
| 09:23.49 | nsadmin | it's good in case of disaster |
| 09:24.06 | nsadmin | also are you considering lvm for the linux side? |
| 09:25.05 | Damie | lvm that's the new way of partitioning ? I have not learn how to yet. |
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| 09:29.06 | MO_Handes | I've downloaded Debian Wheezy Iso file. Now how to make a bootable usb flash? (I'm on Wheezy now) |
| 09:30.01 | nsadmin | "the new way"? no, -a- -different- way, and not of partitioning... you'd make a fairly big partition for storage (using normal way of partitioning, you would "use as" "LVM physical volume"... I would recommend you make a /boot partition that's in a regular primary partition, then make the lvm physical volume partition, then "configure lvm", make an lvm volume group, and add / and /home (not partitions but) LVM logical volumes |
| 09:30.58 | nsadmin | Damie, it would be better if you have time to experiment with all this... if not, probably better if you do everything the partition way |
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| 09:32.25 | nsadmin | MO_Handes, what is the exact name of the iso file you downloaded |
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| 09:34.02 | MO_Handes | nsadmin, debian-wheezy-DI-a1-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 09:34.31 | Damie | Ok I need to experiment first, use the partition for now. Thank you for your help. |
| 09:35.14 | nsadmin | Damie, cool. look for some of the options I mentioned so you know where they are |
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| 09:37.06 | nsadmin | MO_Handes, what's your cpu? |
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| 09:38.22 | MO_Handes | nsadmin, Atom i386 |
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| 09:43.04 | MO_Handes | nsadmin, ? |
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| 09:43.32 | nsadmin | you probably picked the right arch... I dunno much about Atom |
| 09:43.59 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.17 | MO_Handes | now how to make a bootable flash out of this Iso? |
| 09:44.36 | nsadmin | find the wheezy install guide |
| 09:44.55 | MO_Handes | ok |
| 09:44.59 | nsadmin | it shows how to do that and offers choices |
| 09:45.10 | MO_Handes | thx |
| 09:45.31 | nsadmin | np |
| 09:47.14 | nsadmin | it could end up that all you have to do is dd the iso to the usb device (warning, all other data would be erased from the usb) |
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| 09:55.50 | ompaul | MO_Handes: if you can lose all data on the box do this cat my-debian.iso > /dev/sdX where X is the letter of the device - unmounted and not a partition sdb1 just sdb for example |
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| 10:10.21 | MO_Handes | ompaul, isn't cat for text files? will it make it bootable? what is the difference with dd? |
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| 10:12.56 | ompaul | MO_Handes: it works for me - dd is block by block copy |
| 10:13.02 | ompaul | cat is stick it in there |
| 10:13.17 | hasdf | dd > cat |
| 10:13.33 | Cybertinus | pparadis: Yesterday we talked about that # bug in ssmtp. I have fairly good reason to believe I've found the piece of C code that causes this bug :D. I'm gonna grab something to eat now, but when I come back, I'm gonna try to write a patch for it. It doesn't look that hard to fix |
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| 10:30.40 | tuv | few days ago, i 1) started seeing the following message in syslog: 'TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 33001. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counters.' 2) started having frequent system reboots occuring on their own. seems to me the two symptoms are related. how do i get rid of the SYN flood messages? is there some limit i should increase? |
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| 10:31.45 | future | #debian-es |
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| 10:34.22 | krababbel | Is .xsession used in Debian? I have XDM installed. |
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| 10:36.24 | krababbel | I guess yes, according to man |
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| 10:42.44 | jjjwwss | hello |
| 10:43.08 | cyoz | any suggestions for a good font like consolas? |
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| 10:45.48 | future | Hi, could you recommend a wireless keyboard with integrated mouse function compatible for use with a debian stable connected to a TV 40 "crt ? |
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| 10:50.20 | capiira | hi i have a problem with encfs on debian, for some reason i cant decrypt my files, encfs decrypts the filename but not the file content, any hints ? |
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| 10:51.00 | capiira | I used the --reverse to transfer files to my cloud storage |
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| 10:52.01 | capiira | and then created a encfs decrypted view to restore but no way to restore the content |
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| 11:04.34 | xreal | Is there a good shellbased IRC client? |
| 11:04.46 | Mikla | xreal, irrsi |
| 11:04.57 | xreal | Milka: ok |
| 11:05.05 | Mikla | correctio n irssi |
| 11:05.14 | micket | xreal: or weechat |
| 11:05.25 | xreal | micket: thans |
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| 11:07.06 | xreal | How can I export variables, which I've defined in a shell script? |
| 11:08.00 | nsadmin | you mean an irc client coded in sh?! |
| 11:08.35 | nsadmin | xreal, you would have to source the file (not "execute" it) |
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| 11:09.15 | xreal | nsadmin: hehe, no. I mean smthg like irrsi and weechat. |
| 11:09.20 | xreal | nsadmin: source myscript.sh ? |
| 11:10.14 | nsadmin | yes, and you should probaly put exports in myscript.sh |
| 11:11.24 | nsadmin | if you simply run the script, what you get is a new process for the interpreter, which sees the var setting... then, when that process goes away so do the vars |
| 11:12.54 | xreal | ah okay. thanks! |
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| 11:14.46 | freezer | hi |
| 11:14.57 | freezer | how can i boot into rescue mode on 6.x? |
| 11:15.08 | freezer | kernel option 'rescue' seems to have no effect |
| 11:15.16 | nsadmin | you -might- want to factor myscript.sh into vars.sh (which myscript sources) to limit the number of vars that "leak" into the shell to only the ones you want |
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| 11:24.05 | nsadmin | there is a normal boot and a maintainance mode |
| 11:24.36 | freezer | how to get into maintainance mode? |
| 11:24.38 | nsadmin | if you reboot, you'll see pairs of lines for each kernel (if you have just one kernel, you will see two lines) |
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| 11:25.04 | nsadmin | the second line is maint mode, the first is normal boot |
| 11:25.36 | freezer | i'm on a embedded system, i enter the kernel line manually in U-Boot |
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| 11:27.23 | freezer | and i only have serial console |
| 11:27.37 | freezer | which does not come up with a login prompt in normal mode |
| 11:27.57 | freezer | was hoping to get one in rescue mode, since i still see the debian init.d messages |
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| 11:30.33 | nsadmin | so you don't see grub menu in the serial console? |
| 11:30.56 | freezer | no |
| 11:31.34 | nsadmin | you could hang a getty on the serial console in the inittab |
| 11:31.46 | project2501a | hangs himself |
| 11:32.51 | freezer | well, then i first have to get access to that ;) |
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| 11:33.08 | Mori | hi |
| 11:33.15 | freezer | setenv bootargs console=ttyS0,115200 ip=dhcp root=/dev/sda2 rw debug |
| 11:33.22 | freezer | this are the bootargs |
| 11:33.23 | Mori | my /dev/sda1 in changed to /media/dir |
| 11:33.33 | nsadmin | freezer, you should be able to ssh in |
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| 11:33.36 | freezer | which option for maintenance mode? |
| 11:33.40 | freezer | nsadmin, no sshd running |
| 11:33.42 | Mori | I wanna to reture back |
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| 11:35.02 | nsadmin | this is a remote on a static IP? |
| 11:35.16 | freezer | ip via dhcp at the moment |
| 11:35.30 | freezer | but i know the ip, but it doesn't help since there is no remote login server |
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| 11:35.54 | nsadmin | can you see the grub menu on the serial console? |
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| 11:36.26 | boudiccas | has anybody managed to get darkstat to run in squeeze? i've totally failed and would love some help |
| 11:36.40 | boudiccas | ,v darkstat |
| 11:36.41 | judd | Package: darkstat on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.708-2; squeeze: 3.0.713-2; sid: 3.0.715-1; wheezy: 3.0.715-1 |
| 11:37.05 | nsadmin | well there it is... what's wrong? |
| 11:37.33 | freezer | You may override the default runlevel with kernel parameter. When the boot menu is displayed, select the edit option. Then locate the kernel line and append space and the desired runlevel number. E.g. "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30 root=/dev/sda2 ro 3" would boot to runlevel 3. |
| 11:37.42 | freezer | i will try runlevel 1 |
| 11:37.43 | boudiccas | the database isnt constructed when its started as a daemon so consequently tehrte is no output |
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| 11:39.13 | nsadmin | boudiccas, hmm. that seems like the packaging is broken... |
| 11:40.00 | boudiccas | nsadmin: i've tried twice to install it, i've tried from source and failed, i'm at my wits end with it! |
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| 11:40.34 | nsadmin | I can try to help under the caveat that I have no idea for it at this moment |
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| 11:41.04 | nsadmin | willing to accept help under that condition? |
| 11:41.16 | boudiccas | nsadmin: thanks, i've configured it and started the service, so the daemon should be running but it doesnt show in top |
| 11:41.49 | freezer | Give root password for maintenance |
| 11:41.51 | freezer | yaa! :) |
| 11:41.57 | freezer | i'm in |
| 11:42.16 | boudiccas | nsadmin: thats a yes :) |
| 11:42.18 | nsadmin | freezer, now install openssh-server |
| 11:42.36 | nsadmin | boudiccas, ok. I'll try to install it |
| 11:42.37 | krababbel | Is OpenCL included in the nvidia binary driver? |
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| 11:43.35 | freezer | nsadmin, yes |
| 11:43.52 | freezer | will it be enabled by default? |
| 11:44.09 | nsadmin | it should start right up |
| 11:44.54 | nsadmin | but keeo the console login while you try to ssh in |
| 11:45.06 | freezer | tar: ./conffiles: time stamp 2012-02-21 22:16:14 is 367153208.656901249 s in the future damn wrong time |
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| 11:46.25 | freezer | alright, ssh login works |
| 11:46.32 | freezer | will boot into normal mode again |
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| 11:47.15 | r15 | hi |
| 11:47.16 | nsadmin | just hit ctrl-d |
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| 11:48.22 | r15 | recently I purchased a latest hp notebook pc, i have to install supported kernel of debian, could someone give me a link? |
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| 11:49.12 | freezer | Processor: Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l) |
| 11:49.12 | freezer | BogoMIPS: 789.70 |
| 11:49.23 | greybox | I seem to have a strange issue with glusterfs. One node and two clients, the speed between the client and the node on the glusterfs volume is only 1.2MB/s.. If I mount the share through sshfs I get 10M/s, any ideas? |
| 11:49.27 | r15 | i installed debian squeeze, network card(link is going up and down), screen is freeze, wireless is not detected, last time it worked when I installed a PDO kernel i believe. |
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| 11:50.36 | r15 | i dont remember exactly, but that new kernel worked nicely on an another notebook of same model, |
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| 11:52.26 | r15 | I am having dv6 hp, could someone point me to have supported kernel of debian squeeze? |
| 11:52.44 | boudiccas | nsadmin: any joy so far with darkstat installation? |
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| 11:53.47 | r15 | sound card/wireless is not detected after the installation of squeeze, |
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| 11:54.51 | r15 | and network connection is getting disconnected every few seconds, and then its automatically connects, |
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| 11:56.08 | blackshirt | is it possible to use multiple connection simultaneously using network manager applet? |
| 11:56.11 | nsadmin | is distracted... |
| 11:56.17 | r15 | I had the same issue with dv6 model of hp, which worked fine after I installed some other kernel (using apt) however I forgot what exactly i had installed :( |
| 11:56.30 | nsadmin | boudiccas, magical! just remembered the package name! :) |
| 11:56.47 | boudiccas | nsadmin: lol |
| 11:58.29 | nsadmin | ok, installed it, it gave me the warning |
| 11:58.58 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, to configure darkstat.cfg |
| 11:59.18 | nsadmin | it installed a man page, reading that |
| 12:00.04 | r15 | it was bdo, be right back, booting back to debain to have bdo enabled. |
| 12:00.07 | nsadmin | boudiccas, can you give me an idea of your status |
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| 12:00.19 | boudiccas | nsadmin: status? |
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| 12:01.39 | nsadmin | yeah, didn't you say you installed the package and edited the config file, and restarted |
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| 12:03.16 | boudiccas | nsadmin: ah right. yes, installed, configured, service started and 'darkstat -i eth0 ' run, but could not run it as user have to run as root. when try to show results as user darksta command not found. no darkstat.db found in /var/libs/darkstat/ |
| 12:05.15 | nsadmin | boudiccas, when you say "darkstat -i eth0" run, did you run that manually or did the /etc/init.d file do that? |
| 12:05.48 | boudiccas | nsadmin: i ran teh ini.d file first and then ran it manually |
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| 12:06.28 | nsadmin | aha, ok, checking something |
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| 12:07.53 | nsadmin | is darkstat (also) a web server? |
| 12:08.18 | boudiccas | nsadmin: dont think so, just a bandwidth sniffer |
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| 12:09.05 | blubberdiblub | but doesn't it server its stats as web pages? |
| 12:09.09 | blubberdiblub | *serve |
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| 12:09.50 | boudiccas | nsadmin: http://localhost:666/ is where you see the results |
| 12:10.27 | nsadmin | eeevilport! |
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| 12:14.04 | nsadmin | boudiccas, ok, my netstat -a |grep 666 is no output |
| 12:14.33 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, thats because there is no 'darkstat.db' |
| 12:14.42 | boudiccas | its not created for some reason |
| 12:14.47 | nsadmin | ok |
| 12:15.45 | nsadmin | it's probably the packaging, let's see what's in /usr/share/doc/darkstat |
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| 12:18.19 | lgp171188 | Hi, I am trying to package a small CLI game that I have written, for debian. Which is the right debian- channel to ask for help? |
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| 12:18.42 | ronny | hi |
| 12:18.52 | ronny | again - is there a repo of the latest vanilla kernel versions, so i dont have to compile myself? |
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| 12:19.49 | boudiccas | lgp171188: i think its #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net but i'm not sure |
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| 12:20.15 | lgp171188 | boudiccas: Let me try that channel. Thanks for the pointer. |
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| 12:21.32 | nsadmin | boudiccas, docs I'm looking at show nothing related to creating the db |
| 12:21.39 | nsadmin | so, |
| 12:22.39 | nsadmin | this should mean the packaging creates the db... since it does not, the packaging is broken |
| 12:23.09 | boudiccas | nsadmin: so we file bugs against it then? thanks btw |
| 12:23.16 | nsadmin | well |
| 12:23.19 | nsadmin | not yet |
| 12:24.09 | nsadmin | let's find out if others have reported this or anything |
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| 12:24.24 | Kobzar | hiall |
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| 12:25.10 | Kobzar | i am used wheezy x64. install wine, but whan i tryed run exe file i have a error bad exe format file. how i can fix this? |
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| 12:29.29 | nsadmin | boudiccas, there are three bugs, one important involving ppp0 and the other two minor |
| 12:29.40 | nsadmin | none talk about no database |
| 12:29.56 | nsadmin | let's look at the file list of the package |
| 12:29.56 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, i've just found the page, but nothing about installation problems |
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| 12:31.19 | nsadmin | about to read /usr/share/doc/darkstat/README |
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| 12:33.07 | nsadmin | red or white? |
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| 12:33.44 | nsadmin | kidding :) sec |
| 12:35.21 | nsadmin | boudiccas, its home page suggests the darkstat binary would do everything |
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| 12:35.52 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, i've evn tried installing from source, which failed |
| 12:36.24 | nsadmin | for the same reason? |
| 12:37.03 | boudiccas | nsadmin: no, it was looking for /var/libs/empty in teh config file and failed becvause it couldnt find it |
| 12:37.36 | boudiccas | would teh darkstat package from lenny work do you think? |
| 12:37.59 | nsadmin | hmm, it chroots? |
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| 12:38.30 | boudiccas | nsadmin: dunno, i know nothing nor experineced anyhting of chroots |
| 12:38.31 | nsadmin | look at /etc/init.d/darkstat in the case statement |
| 12:40.10 | nsadmin | boudiccas, essentially, what you run in a chroot has no access to anything outside the chroot... sec |
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| 12:41.10 | nsadmin | I wonder if the chrooting is making it unable to access the dir where the db is supposed to be |
| 12:42.01 | boudiccas | nsadmin: something is stopping the daemon from running because it doesnt show in top |
| 12:42.02 | nsadmin | it chroots to /var/lib/darkstat |
| 12:42.32 | nsadmin | and this is true when you try running it manually? |
| 12:42.38 | boudiccas | yes |
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| 12:45.14 | nsadmin | 667? 666? |
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| 12:45.40 | nsadmin | found it, it's working |
| 12:45.49 | nsadmin | on port 667 |
| 12:46.03 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 12:47.18 | nsadmin | you confirm? |
| 12:47.38 | boudiccas | nsadmin: so the documentation is at fault by saying port 666, instead of 667 . yes, i confirm its running |
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| 12:47.50 | boudiccas | but i dont know where its darkstat.db is |
| 12:47.51 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 12:48.02 | nsadmin | same here |
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| 12:49.47 | boudiccas | nsadmin: /var/lib/darkstat where the database should be is empty |
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| 12:50.17 | nsadmin | yep same here |
| 12:51.13 | nsadmin | and it's chrooting to that dir, so the db file in the --import and --export params should be relative to that dir |
| 12:51.57 | boudiccas | i've just done a 'locate darkstat' and there is /no/ darkstat.db showing anywhere! |
| 12:52.49 | nsadmin | and updatedb? |
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| 12:53.07 | boudiccas | did it first |
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| 12:53.13 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 12:53.33 | nsadmin | so darkstat never created it |
| 12:54.01 | boudiccas | or its got another name |
| 12:54.14 | nsadmin | right |
| 12:54.23 | ronny | hi |
| 12:54.38 | nsadmin | it wouldn't make much sense if the idea is to have the setup be understandable |
| 12:54.48 | ronny | anyone aware of builds for latest mozilla iceweasel that dont conflict with i386 packages? |
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| 12:55.32 | boudiccas | nsadmin: its weird, i dont understand it at all |
| 12:56.02 | nsadmin | ronny, look at mozilla.debian.net |
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| 12:57.17 | ronny | nsadmin: thats where i am, the aurora builds completely conflict |
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| 12:57.37 | nsadmin | what is that aurora thing anyway? |
| 12:58.27 | ronny | nsadmin: latest version |
| 12:58.42 | nsadmin | what about the latest stable? |
| 12:58.49 | nsadmin | what does it conflict with? |
| 12:59.15 | ronny | nsadmin: about a hundred :i386 packages on my usually amd64 system |
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| 13:00.01 | nsadmin | would that by any chance be all of them? ui |
| 13:00.08 | nsadmin | are you running squeeze? |
| 13:00.22 | ronny | wheeyz |
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| 13:01.20 | Ztatik | Uhh ... was compiz dropped from wheezy ? |
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| 13:01.31 | tabbot | hello, I've installed nginx-full and ruby-passenger, but nginx says passenger_root is an unknow directive, where is the nginx module for passenger? please tyvm |
| 13:02.01 | nsadmin | maybe the packages in mozilla. are not adjusted for multiarch? |
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| 13:03.37 | ompaul | ronny: did you dist-upgrade or some other thing? |
| 13:04.23 | ronny | ompaul: nop |
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| 13:06.41 | ronny | ompaul: basically i get the dependency mes when doing a install -t experimental of iceweasel |
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| 13:07.50 | Ztatik | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/compiz |
| 13:07.51 | ompaul | ronny: ahh you experiment and you wonder the outcome, no you should experiment and understand the outcome, metrics are useful |
| 13:07.51 | Ztatik | 404 |
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| 13:08.28 | Ztatik | but unstable/sid/experimental all have it |
| 13:08.41 | nsadmin | Ztatik, try searching for it from packages.debian.org |
| 13:09.01 | ompaul | Ztatik: asking the same question in two places is not considered good manners |
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| 13:09.44 | Ztatik | nsadmin: uh, that's the site i just pasted |
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| 13:10.19 | ronny | ompaul: basically all i want is a firefox 15 without pain |
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| 13:10.46 | Ztatik | ompaul: it's perfectly fine. it reaches a wider audience which don't necessarily have the same people, and so is not spamming. Saying the *SAME THING* to the *SAME PERSON* multiple times, as you have, is extremely stupid |
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| 13:11.28 | ompaul | Ztatik: don't be such a foll |
| 13:11.32 | ompaul | fool |
| 13:11.51 | ompaul | Ztatik: as I said |
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| 13:12.42 | WinstonSmith | crossposting is rude |
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| 13:12.56 | ompaul | BTW I was going to show you where you can find that package, but now you gone and rained on your own parade - spamming me on two networkss with notices ctcp and pms |
| 13:13.09 | Ztatik | as if i can't *find* it? |
| 13:13.11 | boudiccas | nsadmin: thanks for the help with darkstat, so its runnign but we dont know why or where it stores its database, weird :) |
| 13:13.14 | Ztatik | that's not even what i asked. |
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| 13:13.50 | ompaul | Ztatik: you get a troll badge |
| 13:14.04 | nsadmin | boudiccas, some dd is doing somethinhg... erm, "clever" |
| 13:14.34 | tabbot | r/quit |
| 13:14.42 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yesm just wish i knew what it was, but at least its running |
| 13:14.53 | nsadmin | boudiccas and not documenting it |
| 13:15.44 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, even the man page is wrong, and so is teh online documenation thati've found. so i'll blog it and put the correct ort in, hopefully it will help others too |
| 13:15.49 | Ztatik | ompaul: okay, you bog dogan paddy |
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| 13:17.13 | nsadmin | well maybe a database is not needed if darkstat uses itself as web server? |
| 13:17.21 | nsadmin | boudiccas ^ |
| 13:17.43 | boudiccas | nsadmin: but its not showing in top anywhere, so i dont know what is running |
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| 13:18.11 | nsadmin | I see it when I ps aux | grep dark |
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| 13:19.24 | Hawkie | Failed to fetch http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mtools/mtools_3.9.11-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 153.19.251.221 80] |
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| 13:19.30 | Hawkie | can anyone guide me through how to get rid of this? |
| 13:19.33 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, i see 2 instances, presumably because i started it from teh init.d and manually too |
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| 13:20.17 | nsadmin | boudiccas, I thought that too, I stopped using init.d, both gone, started, both back |
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| 13:20.41 | boudiccas | nsadmin: oh!dont know then |
| 13:21.00 | nsadmin | yeah meetoo |
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| 13:26.24 | dutchfish | oops |
| 13:26.38 | oops | dutchfish, ? |
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| 13:27.02 | dutchfish | i think mtools is at on i386 -- lenny: 3.9.11-1; squeeze: 4.0.12-1; sid: 4.0.17-1; wheezy: 4.0.17-1 |
| 13:28.05 | dutchfish | (that was for Hawkie) |
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| 13:28.22 | brontosaurusrex | is this the correct way to block apt? http://pastebin.com/haHqpj3K |
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| 13:30.24 | proby | hi , when i am downloading whatever file with chrome or wget , it starts but then the download rate decreases until 0 kb/s this problem is only occuring on my deb-box |
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| 13:30.59 | boudiccas | proby: try with iceweasel |
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| 13:34.03 | hyppias | which kernel for an atom processor? |
| 13:34.03 | boudiccas | Hawkie: the problem is that you're running lenny which is now EOL, you are advised to upgrade to squeeze, /msg dpkg lenny>squeeze |
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| 13:35.33 | Hawkie | ok |
| 13:35.37 | proby | boudiccas, this is an os problem not application |
| 13:36.06 | Hawkie | boudiccas how to ask dkpg about lenny squeeze? |
| 13:36.07 | xtreme678 | hello guys, i have installed windows, so i have lost my debian. the boot drive is seperate 100mb partition. so how can i restore by debian |
| 13:36.16 | xtreme678 | i had did it before, but i cant the wiki |
| 13:36.49 | boudiccas | Hawkie: type into the text entry box of your irc program /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 13:37.03 | Calinou | hyppias, i386 |
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| 13:37.13 | Calinou | Hawkie, /msg dpkg thing |
| 13:37.16 | Hawkie | ok |
| 13:37.42 | xtreme678 | anyone? |
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| 13:40.23 | xtreme678 | hello |
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| 13:41.13 | Hawkie | boudiccas GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 13:41.17 | Hawkie | now I am getting this error |
| 13:41.22 | nsadmin | xtreme678, mostly it's easy... |
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| 13:41.39 | nsadmin | I want food... so this isn't gonna be me :) |
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| 13:45.01 | nsadmin | Hawkie, you can try this... |
| 13:45.19 | nsadmin | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 473041FA <enter> gpg -a --export AED4B06F473041FA | apt-key add - |
| 13:46.04 | ManoftheSea | xtreme678: you accidentally a whole word. Download a Debian CD and reinstall |
| 13:46.48 | xtreme678 | ManoftheSea: huh? |
| 13:46.55 | xtreme678 | i just need to recover boot |
| 13:46.58 | xtreme678 | i mean grub |
| 13:47.06 | xtreme678 | why should i install the whole debian |
| 13:47.25 | nsadmin | !fix mbr |
| 13:47.25 | dpkg | takes mbr to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 13:47.41 | nsadmin | !fix-mbr |
| 13:47.56 | nsadmin | !grub |
| 13:47.57 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 13:48.11 | dvs | xtreme678: The install has an option to reinstall GRUB |
| 13:48.34 | nsadmin | that factoid needs updating :) |
| 13:49.12 | dvs | no kidding! |
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| 13:52.14 | ManoftheSea | !fixmbr |
| 13:52.15 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 13:52.45 | ManoftheSea | xtreme678: do that. |
| 13:53.07 | nsadmin | while that looks like it'd work, isn't there a menued way in the newer installers? |
| 13:54.18 | __file__ | Any good suggestion on a debian-like distro that take less disk space? I have a device with only 880 megs availabe, and the smallest debian installation takes 650mb. |
| 13:54.27 | __file__ | that takes* |
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| 13:58.02 | ManoftheSea | __file__: LFS |
| 13:58.15 | ManoftheSea | or, I suppose, openWRT. |
| 13:58.49 | ManoftheSea | __file__: what do you intend to do with the device? Much of that space is desktop environment. |
| 14:00.03 | jelly-home | __file__: the base system should not take that much, did you remember to deselect all the tasks at installation time? |
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| 14:00.20 | WinstonSmith | coughs: DSL |
| 14:00.40 | WinstonSmith | if you need a DE |
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| 14:01.01 | jelly-home | wonders how the hell do LFS or DSL resemble debian |
| 14:01.34 | jelly-home | openwrt at least has some sort of a packaging system in place |
| 14:01.41 | cantido | jelly-home: all distros are exactly the same ;) |
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| 14:02.38 | cantido | __file__: what arch is this machine? |
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| 14:03.11 | WinstonSmith | jelly-home: DSL has a package manager, although i have to admit it is not debian-like |
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| 14:04.51 | __file__ | ManoftheSea: I actually need it as a server, but even if i deselect everything besides the ssh server it still takes up to 650mb, can I do something about it? |
| 14:05.13 | __file__ | And I need synaptics |
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| 14:05.59 | nsadmin | which means you need X |
| 14:06.02 | ManoftheSea | __file__: well... dropping X is going to save you a lot of space. Sorry, I don't know how to help you reduce that any more |
| 14:06.08 | nsadmin | this is a server? |
| 14:06.27 | __file__ | nsadmin: sorry, I ment aptitude |
| 14:06.45 | nsadmin | __file__, ok, you don't need x for that |
| 14:06.49 | ManoftheSea | jelly-home: LFS was a joke answer, sorry. |
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| 14:07.18 | __file__ | I need the most basic linux that can run aptitude |
| 14:07.52 | nsadmin | what purpose for the server? |
| 14:08.17 | __file__ | nsadmin: it is a server that analyzes ethernet traffic, the process that does this is written by me and uses libpcap |
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| 14:09.07 | __file__ | but i need aptitude to setup my environment, all my deployment scripts use the apt-get command already. |
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| 14:09.27 | Calinou | why don't you have aptitude? |
| 14:09.43 | __file__ | I have aptitude, but with a distro of 650 mb |
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| 14:09.51 | nsadmin | the base doesn't have aptitude (at least squeeze) |
| 14:10.25 | nsadmin | if your deployment scripts use apt-get, why do you need aptitude? |
| 14:10.38 | ManoftheSea | apt-get install aptitude |
| 14:10.42 | WinstonSmith | clean the apt cache after install? |
| 14:11.03 | nsadmin | WinstonSmith, that;s a good thought |
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| 14:11.23 | Calinou | apt-get FTW anyway |
| 14:11.37 | ManoftheSea | I like using aptitude to look at what's available |
| 14:11.40 | WinstonSmith | it may be a lot of MBs right after install |
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| 14:12.13 | __file__ | isn't apt-get a part of aptitude? |
| 14:12.17 | nsadmin | __file__, you have this server now? |
| 14:12.20 | nsadmin | no |
| 14:12.26 | r4co0n | doesnt apt-get autoclean do exactly that, clean the cache? |
| 14:12.29 | nsadmin | it's separate and uses the apt libs |
| 14:12.46 | __file__ | nsadmin: yes, I have the server here. |
| 14:13.04 | nsadmin | __file__, ok, look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:13.08 | __file__ | nsadmin: so I need to rephrase my questions again, I need the smallest distro that can run apt-get |
| 14:13.14 | proby | __f |
| 14:13.22 | proby | __file__.doc |
| 14:13.23 | proby | :p |
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| 14:13.35 | __file__ | proby: lol |
| 14:13.41 | proby | :) |
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| 14:13.48 | nsadmin | __file__, have you looked in that dir? |
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| 14:13.59 | WinstonSmith | r4co0n: yes |
| 14:14.49 | __file__ | nsadmin: sorry, I already formatted the harddrive trying to install something else, but I can reinstall debian. |
| 14:15.26 | r4co0n | WinstonSmith, i thought you were saying that is what people need aptitude for, autocleaning... probably wrong |
| 14:15.45 | WinstonSmith | r4co0n: no, you got that wrong :) |
| 14:15.49 | nsadmin | never mind :P (if you have deployment set up, would you have another? |
| 14:16.04 | __file__ | I will now |
| 14:16.51 | __file__ | nsadmin: I currently have only one of this servers here (it is a special small box with atom cpu). |
| 14:17.06 | nsadmin | you looking to sell these things as appliances? |
| 14:18.07 | __file__ | nsadmin: as an addon to another product |
| 14:18.20 | nsadmin | __file__, anyway, as mentioned earlier, you can run apt-get clean which will remove the files debian was installed from |
| 14:18.47 | nsadmin | that could account for a substancial amount of space |
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| 14:21.16 | nsadmin | __file__, can the drive be larger, say 1-2g? |
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| 14:23.28 | __file__ | nsadmin: Currently I get these with a 1gb cf cards, which only gives me a total of about 800megs at the end |
| 14:24.02 | __file__ | and this is before I install my application on it |
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| 14:24.50 | nsadmin | how much ram? |
| 14:25.03 | __file__ | If I will be very space efficient with my needs I will have only 50 megs free, which is a little bit scary. |
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| 14:25.55 | __file__ | 1gb |
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| 14:26.24 | nsadmin | so one gb ram and 1gb disk? |
| 14:26.47 | __file__ | nsadmin: yep :) |
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| 14:27.23 | nsadmin | had you ever run apt-get clean before? |
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| 14:27.43 | __file__ | no I am reinstalling debian as we speak to check it. |
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| 14:32.04 | xfire78xx | giorno |
| 14:32.21 | nsadmin | oh noooo! NO !LIST!! |
| 14:32.33 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: what? |
| 14:32.41 | ManoftheSea | It looks like your list is on fire. |
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| 14:33.26 | nsadmin | he's gonna do it |
| 14:33.33 | Miesco | With grub2, is it possible to make a custom kernel? |
| 14:33.51 | nsadmin | yes |
| 14:33.58 | nsadmin | and you don't need grub2 for that |
| 14:34.05 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: your question is odd. Custom Debian kernel? |
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| 14:34.18 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: no, vanilla |
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| 14:34.29 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: get the sources you want, run make menuconfig; make-kpkg |
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| 14:34.48 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: kk thanks |
| 14:34.49 | ManoftheSea | make-kpkg will give you a debian package for the kernel you build. |
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| 14:34.57 | ManoftheSea | check the man page for invokation options |
| 14:35.03 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: a debian package? |
| 14:35.12 | nsadmin | it's in kernel-package |
| 14:35.13 | ManoftheSea | just got done installing Linux 3.5 vanilla |
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| 14:35.45 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: Should I use make-kpkg if i'm developing the kernel? |
| 14:36.00 | ManoftheSea | If you're using it on debian, hells yeah. |
| 14:36.07 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: Okay |
| 14:36.14 | ManoftheSea | It allows you to have multiple versions of the same kernel, managed by the package manager |
| 14:36.33 | ManoftheSea | dpkg -i linux-image-3.5local-20120722.deb |
| 14:36.34 | dpkg | installs linux-image-3.5local-20120722.deb into manofthesea's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 14:36.35 | ManoftheSea | etc. |
| 14:36.35 | nsadmin | it replaces all the build stuff after make menuconfig |
| 14:36.47 | ManoftheSea | oh.... kay. |
| 14:36.51 | ManoftheSea | a bone saw. |
| 14:37.00 | dvs | ManoftheSea: you asked for it! ;-) |
| 14:37.08 | nsadmin | and gives you a .deb |
| 14:37.16 | ManoftheSea | I didn't realize people were executing my inane babbles. |
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| 14:37.40 | nsadmin | dpkg, ar you a people? |
| 14:37.43 | dpkg | nsadmin: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:38.16 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: you can also tell the package to re-run initrd scripts. |
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| 14:38.31 | ManoftheSea | So you don't forget to update-initramdisk, etc. |
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| 14:39.14 | nsadmin | oh, he would need --initrd for that |
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| 14:40.27 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: I use "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision $date --append_to_version local --initrd -j 5 kernel_image" |
| 14:40.37 | ManoftheSea | where date gets replaced with the day I build it. |
| 14:40.49 | ManoftheSea | But I don't build more than once a day. |
| 14:41.04 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: Well then why not use `date`? |
| 14:41.25 | ManoftheSea | that sounds too intelligent. |
| 14:41.49 | nsadmin | $(date) might work :) |
| 14:42.02 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: Well I don't have a $date variable |
| 14:42.12 | nsadmin | $(date) might work :) |
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| 14:42.17 | Miesco | kk |
| 14:42.23 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: `date` returns "Sun Jul 22 10:44:37 EDT 2012" |
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| 14:42.27 | ManoftheSea | That's... not it. |
| 14:42.45 | nsadmin | howbout $(date --iso) |
| 14:42.58 | dvs | ManoftheSea: date +%m%d%y ? |
| 14:43.10 | ManoftheSea | I didn't see --iso in the man page |
| 14:43.35 | ManoftheSea | dvs: year month day. |
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| 14:43.43 | nsadmin | sortable |
| 14:43.45 | ManoftheSea | It's a serial number, and should be big-endien |
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| 14:44.05 | ManoftheSea | but yes, I am adjusting my script to use this. |
| 14:44.06 | nsadmin | bendian! |
| 14:44.11 | dvs | ManoftheSea: date +%Y%m%d then |
| 14:44.16 | ManoftheSea | date +%Y%m%d |
| 14:44.18 | ManoftheSea | right |
| 14:44.29 | ManoftheSea | geez, let me discover SOMETHING on my own. |
| 14:44.38 | dvs | ManoftheSea: We think for you! |
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| 14:45.04 | nsadmin | we ALLLL bundle! |
| 14:45.59 | nsadmin | no one likes to discover on their own anymore |
| 14:46.20 | dvs | no, they want spoon feeding! |
| 14:46.29 | jelly-home | ManoftheSea: discover date -I on your own |
| 14:46.41 | nsadmin | so I feed them about a thousand spoons |
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| 14:46.53 | ManoftheSea | make me a sammich |
| 14:47.08 | Calinou | sudo rm -rf ManoftheSea |
| 14:47.14 | ManoftheSea | make sammich > //manofthesea/dev/mouth |
| 14:47.27 | ManoftheSea | Calinou is not in the list of sudoers. This will be reported |
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| 14:47.56 | Hawkie | w00_: GPG error: http://ftp.pl.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 14:47.59 | Miesco | Why do I have to /bin/date +%Y%m%d |
| 14:48.03 | Hawkie | how do i fix that |
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| 14:48.14 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: that was for me. |
| 14:48.27 | ManoftheSea | Because I date my local kernels, so the latest has the largest number |
| 14:48.43 | ManoftheSea | dkpg -r calinou |
| 14:49.01 | Hawkie | any idea about my problem ManoftheSea ? |
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| 14:49.49 | Miesco | You can use '-' in a filename? |
| 14:49.55 | ManoftheSea | Hawkie: you don't have the signature in your keyring. you can use gpg to get it, but I forget exactly how. |
| 14:50.00 | Calinou | yes Miesco. |
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| 14:50.26 | ManoftheSea | something like gpg --recv-key $KEYSTRING --key-server pgp.mit.edu |
| 14:50.48 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: yes, but you shouldn't use it in your kernel version. |
| 14:50.52 | ManoftheSea | it's a seperator there. |
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| 14:51.21 | jelly-home | Hawkie: which debian release are you using? Which version of debian-archive-keyring package is installed? |
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| 14:51.38 | jelly-home | ,v debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:51.39 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- lenny: 2010.08.28~lenny1; squeeze: 2010.08.28; sid: 2012.4; wheezy: 2012.4 |
| 14:51.43 | Hawkie | jelly-home: Linux 2.6.26-itf-l7 #1 SMP Tue Dec 29 14:07:50 CET 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:52.00 | ManoftheSea | that was... uname -a? |
| 14:52.21 | jelly-home | !tell Hawkie about debian suite |
| 14:52.40 | Miesco | alias mcommand='fakeroot make-kpkg --revision $(/usr/bin/date -I) --append_to_version local --initrd -j 5 kernel_image' |
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| 14:53.08 | Hawkie | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 14:53.09 | Hawkie | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 14:53.17 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: that date format may give you problems, and you might want to change local to something meaningful for you |
| 14:53.18 | dvs | !lenny |
| 14:53.19 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 14:53.40 | ManoftheSea | If you're working on a scheduler, you might use --append_to_version mysched |
| 14:54.38 | Hawkie | jelly I changed lenny to squeeze in that sources list but I am getting that error now |
| 14:54.49 | Hawkie | w00_: GPG error: http://ftp.pl.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 14:54.51 | Hawkie | w00_: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 14:54.59 | Miesco | alias mcommand='fakeroot make-kpkg --revision $(/usr/bin/date -I) --append_to_version miesco --initrd -j 5 kernel_image' |
| 14:55.24 | ManoftheSea | Miesco: I recommend you change the "-I" to "+%Y%m%d" |
| 14:55.50 | Miesco | ManoftheSea: K don't know why though |
| 14:56.31 | ManoftheSea | you'll get a package "linux-image-3.5.0local_2012-07-22_arch.deb |
| 14:56.40 | ManoftheSea | Actually, I guess the dashes are okay. |
| 14:56.48 | ManoftheSea | As the underscores are the seperators there. |
| 14:56.51 | ManoftheSea | nvm |
| 14:57.20 | jelly-home | Hawkie: did you read /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ? |
| 14:57.29 | Hawkie | yes |
| 14:57.50 | jelly-home | Hawkie: go back to lenny, run apt-get update, install lenny's latest debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:58.01 | jelly-home | !tell Hawkie about lenny sources.list |
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| 15:11.47 | Hawkie | jelly-home W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1337087218 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 15:11.50 | Hawkie | I am getting the same error |
| 15:13.16 | jelly-home | nah, it's slightly different (and I forgot that lenny archive is broken) |
| 15:13.36 | jelly-home | Hawkie: just go and install debian-archive-keyring, then |
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| 15:15.05 | Hawkie | you fixed my problem jelly |
| 15:15.09 | Hawkie | jelly-home |
| 15:15.12 | Hawkie | can I smooch you? |
| 15:15.42 | jelly-home | dunno if you're my preferred gender, but go ahead |
| 15:15.52 | Hawkie | i am male |
| 15:15.55 | Hawkie | kisses jelly |
| 15:15.56 | Hawkie | kisses jelly-home |
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| 15:16.21 | ManoftheSea | lol awkward. |
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| 15:17.45 | Calinou | throws a mundane potion at ManoftheSea |
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| 15:19.58 | ManoftheSea | becomes mundane? |
| 15:20.42 | c0uin | hello all. I get a problem to install debian testing. I get an error can't install busybox on install base system. |
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| 15:22.52 | ompaul | c0uin: what is the exact error? |
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| 15:23.45 | ompaul | c0uin: also please be aware that the testing iso is for testing the installer it may break the "debian way" to get testing installed is to install stable and upgrade from there. |
| 15:24.02 | boudiccas | nsadmin: re the darkstat problem, i've blogged it at http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/ so hopefully it will help others |
| 15:24.34 | boudiccas | nsadmin: thanks for all your help with it |
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| 15:35.54 | __file__ | When installing debian, what does "Standard system utilities" contain? |
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| 15:38.12 | sergiu-dev | Hi |
| 15:38.16 | sergiu-dev | can anyone answer me |
| 15:38.32 | sergiu-dev | does zotac support to change computer components |
| 15:38.34 | boudiccas | sergiu-dev: just ask your question |
| 15:38.36 | sergiu-dev | zotac computer* |
| 15:39.09 | ManoftheSea | sergiu-dev: is this debian related? |
| 15:39.23 | sergiu-dev | i would like to install debian on it |
| 15:39.31 | sergiu-dev | :D |
| 15:39.45 | Calinou | probably not |
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| 15:39.55 | Calinou | __file__, all stuff that spies you! *sarcasm* |
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| 15:41.57 | sergiu-dev | Does the linux debian support my videocard for gaming? Radeon HD 6470M |
| 15:42.01 | hyppias | how can i install aptitude? |
| 15:42.05 | hyppias | wget |
| 15:42.09 | hyppias | ? |
| 15:42.13 | Calinou | sergiu-dev, gaming on linux is pointless |
| 15:42.20 | rozie | hyppias: apt-get install aptitude? |
| 15:42.27 | Calinou | > only some games are compatible (most of them being free, "small" games) |
| 15:42.36 | Calinou | > drivers often suck. the proprietary one is often better |
| 15:42.43 | ManoftheSea | Calinou: don't be like that. |
| 15:42.44 | boudiccas | hyppias: sudo apt-get install aptitude |
| 15:42.48 | ManoftheSea | There's nexuiz |
| 15:42.54 | ManoftheSea | um... |
| 15:42.55 | Calinou | nexuiz is dead since long time ago |
| 15:42.57 | Calinou | it's not an AAA game at all |
| 15:42.58 | ManoftheSea | there are others. |
| 15:43.00 | rozie | Calinou: it depends. there are some games for Linux |
| 15:43.01 | ManoftheSea | somewhere. |
| 15:43.01 | Calinou | (talking about the "GPL" version) |
| 15:43.10 | Calinou | rozie, I know, as a free (as in price) game player |
| 15:43.14 | Calinou | mostly FPSes |
| 15:43.27 | reuf | whats a back keyboard shorcut for chrome on debian? |
| 15:43.35 | Calinou | alt+left arrow |
| 15:43.35 | ManoftheSea | alt-left? |
| 15:43.39 | Calinou | same as on windows |
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| 15:44.59 | rozie | Calinou: and some RTS games. and some strategy games. and wine... |
| 15:45.11 | Calinou | wine, lol |
| 15:45.20 | Calinou | still, the driver issue is present |
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| 15:47.19 | __file__ | When installing debian, what does "Standard system utilities" contain? |
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| 15:48.41 | ManoftheSea | __file__: it's probably important. Where do you see it? Aptitude? |
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| 15:50.22 | themill | dpkg: tell __file__ about standard task |
| 15:51.26 | ManoftheSea | dpkg: tell ManoftheSea about standard task |
| 15:51.41 | themill | ManoftheSea: you can just /msg dpkg |
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| 15:51.54 | ManoftheSea | yeah, realized afterward. |
| 15:52.08 | ManoftheSea | herpin th' derp |
| 15:52.42 | __file__ | ManoftheSea, when installing debian. |
| 15:53.18 | ManoftheSea | like, as part of a tasksel list? As part of an aptitude list? You should pick yes. |
| 15:53.28 | ManoftheSea | You can remove things later. |
| 15:53.50 | __file__ | When I am being asked if I want to install ssh server, desktop environment etc... |
| 15:54.06 | __file__ | will I have apt-get if I deselect it? |
| 15:54.17 | ManoftheSea | you will always have apt-get |
| 15:54.19 | ManoftheSea | it's essential |
| 15:54.36 | ManoftheSea | that's a tasksel list |
| 15:54.45 | ManoftheSea | you want standard, but no desktop. |
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| 15:55.45 | __file__ | I don't need aptitude, I need a bare linux server, and the ability to compile using g++, do you still think it is required for me? |
| 15:56.34 | ManoftheSea | well, then say no. At worst, you reinstall. |
| 15:56.40 | ManoftheSea | And probably, you can just select it later. |
| 15:57.06 | __file__ | thanks, I'll do that. |
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| 16:05.49 | oops | Can someone help me to understand why I don't see the exit code of the program in the output: http://codepad.org/bIyEFXm7 ? |
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| 16:13.32 | themill | jparkton: it's on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 16:14.12 | jparkton | oh derp lol |
| 16:14.19 | jparkton | wrong network lol |
| 16:14.57 | boudiccas | idjit! :) |
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| 16:38.40 | nyuszika7h | Hi, how can I make localepurge also work with /usr/local/? |
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| 16:40.14 | rue_mohr | X isn't working on a debian system, do you claim I talk to ##xorg and ##xorg says I talk to you? |
| 16:40.42 | Calinou | rue_mohr, O_o what? |
| 16:40.58 | jparkton | ahhh the ol "Its not us it's them circular debate" |
| 16:41.09 | rue_mohr | X says it cant find screens, how do I configure X (officially)? |
| 16:41.11 | jparkton | been there done that |
| 16:41.13 | boudiccas | rue_mohr: is x installed? |
| 16:41.16 | rue_mohr | yes |
| 16:41.23 | Calinou | xorg-configure :P |
| 16:41.40 | rue_mohr | part of which package? |
| 16:42.00 | Calinou | don't know |
| 16:42.00 | jparkton | x11? |
| 16:42.10 | rue_mohr | apt-file cant find xorg-configure |
| 16:42.30 | boudiccas | thats because its a command and not a file |
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| 16:42.40 | rue_mohr | x isn't working, I'm on command line |
| 16:42.53 | rue_mohr | wait, what |
| 16:42.57 | rue_mohr | its an option? |
| 16:42.59 | rue_mohr | of what? |
| 16:43.02 | jparkton | so type xorg-configure and press enter |
| 16:43.08 | boudiccas | tias |
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| 16:43.11 | boudiccas | !tias |
| 16:43.12 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 16:43.14 | rue_mohr | xorg-configure: command not found |
| 16:43.28 | jparkton | apt-get install X11 |
| 16:43.31 | rue_mohr | apt-file search xorg-configure |
| 16:43.38 | rue_mohr | X11 is installed |
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| 16:43.47 | jparkton | ok apt-cache policy x11 |
| 16:44.01 | boudiccas | rue_mohr: have you installed a desktop? like gnome, kde, etc |
| 16:44.16 | rue_mohr | gnome |
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| 16:44.25 | rue_mohr | it was working, I upgraded, and its broken |
| 16:44.34 | _deadmund_ | I'm trying to upgrade my debian stable ppc laptop to debian testing. I went in and changed the /etc/apt/sources.list but I got a tonne of errors so I used this: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ and I am still getting the same errors. Specifically: when I apt-get update: "import apt_pkg Import Error: no module named apt_pkg" looks like a python error to me |
| 16:44.35 | jparkton | heres yur sign |
| 16:44.41 | boudiccas | rue_mohr: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:44.58 | rue_mohr | wheezy/sid |
| 16:45.09 | rue_mohr | (as per /etc/debianversion) |
| 16:45.18 | boudiccas | rue_mohr: so testing and you may have found a broken package |
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| 16:45.34 | jparkton | yurp |
| 16:45.43 | rue_mohr | damn, I must have folishly gone up to stable instead of backporting everything |
| 16:45.55 | rue_mohr | er testing |
| 16:45.58 | rue_mohr | arg |
| 16:46.17 | rue_mohr | wait tho, it just says that there are no screens found |
| 16:46.28 | _deadmund_ | apt-get update gives me a bunch of errors like this: "Err: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main powerpc Packages, Undetermined Error [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 16:46.32 | jparkton | install screen |
| 16:46.33 | rue_mohr | thats an xorg.conf problem isn't it? |
| 16:46.35 | jparkton | lol |
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| 16:46.59 | rue_mohr | jparkton verry funny... |
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| 16:47.12 | jparkton | _deadmund_ press up and enter a few times |
| 16:47.14 | rue_mohr | cmon, where is the utility that sets up X for debian? |
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| 16:47.20 | jparkton | it usually resolves itself |
| 16:47.27 | _deadmund_ | jparkton: what? |
| 16:47.37 | boudiccas | rue_mohr: have you tried rebooting?# |
| 16:47.38 | jparkton | press le up button |
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| 16:47.47 | jparkton | it happened to me a few times |
| 16:47.51 | rue_mohr | boudiccas yes, I dont boot into X tho |
| 16:47.56 | _deadmund_ | jparkton: Ohhh, you mean on the command line. I thought you meant in xchat :P |
| 16:48.01 | jparkton | lol |
| 16:49.38 | rue_mohr | oh I see a new thing in the log, says it needs udev for detecting devices.... |
| 16:49.45 | rue_mohr | I dont think udev works on this thing |
| 16:49.47 | _deadmund_ | jparkton: not really helping. Still getting lots of repo hit errors and the same "apt_pkg" module missing |
| 16:49.57 | _deadmund_ | ran apt-get update several times now |
| 16:50.13 | jparkton | that is odd |
| 16:50.21 | _deadmund_ | jparkton: I could try a different mirror? |
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| 16:50.37 | jparkton | I am installing a clean wheezy atm, let me get it up and I will check |
| 16:50.44 | jparkton | yeah |
| 16:50.46 | _deadmund_ | jparkton: ppc ? |
| 16:50.51 | boudiccas | deadmund; try aptitude or synaptic |
| 16:50.58 | jparkton | pay per click? |
| 16:50.59 | jparkton | lol |
| 16:51.05 | _deadmund_ | jparkton: lawl, powerpc |
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| 16:51.23 | jparkton | nahhh its crappy |
| 16:51.26 | incruiser | Hello fellas! |
| 16:51.27 | jparkton | :P |
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| 16:53.38 | _deadmund_ | same problem on uchicago |
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| 16:53.58 | boudiccas | deadmund; what? |
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| 16:54.30 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: What is confusing about that? |
| 16:54.50 | boudiccas | deadmund; what is 'uchicago'? |
| 16:54.58 | boudiccas | ,v uchicago |
| 16:54.59 | judd | No package named 'uchicago' was found in i386. |
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| 16:55.13 | _deadmund_ | university of chicago is a university. they have a debian mirror |
| 16:55.23 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: Read what I've said in the channel in the last 5 minutes |
| 16:55.56 | boudiccas | deadmund; i have been reading it, but that comment seemed out of context and irrelevant |
| 16:56.13 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: I switched repos to the university of chicago mirror and I have the same problems. |
| 16:56.48 | boudiccas | deadmund; did you try what i also suggested? of aptitude or synaptic? |
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| 16:57.06 | daemon | hey all is there a example system startup script anywhere |
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| 16:57.42 | daemon | I want to run /bin/authnetwork on system start, it does not by default detach |
| 16:59.44 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: Don't have synaptic installed (and repos are down) so I can't do that. What do you want me to do with aptitude? What does it do that doesn't call apt-get stuff? |
| 16:59.56 | nsadmin | boudiccas, you;re welcome... as per our initial agreememt, I was clueless at first |
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| 17:00.06 | jelly-home | daemon: /etc/init.d/skeleton is an example, if your software does not daemonize by itself you might have to wrap it with aptly named "daemon" tool |
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| 17:00.17 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: aptitude update gives the same errors... |
| 17:00.23 | nsadmin | want to hear how I found out the port? |
| 17:00.30 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/authnetwork |
| 17:00.34 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 17:00.38 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/authnetwork --release sid |
| 17:00.43 | judd | No packages in sid/i386 were found with that file. |
| 17:00.46 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: you used a needle and magnet and held it near the ethernet port |
| 17:01.15 | nsadmin | ManoftheSea, that's how I find floppies and hds |
| 17:01.15 | boudiccas | nsadmin: please? |
| 17:01.24 | ManoftheSea | ah. my mistake. |
| 17:01.35 | jelly-home | daemon: if it's a custom tool or binary, you might want to put it someplace it does not mix with packaged files, /usr/local/sbin or /usr/local/bin |
| 17:01.37 | Cybertinus | I've found a bug in ssmtp. I wrote a patch for it, to fix the problem. Where can I report the bug? On bugs.debian.org or does ssmtp have a seperate bugtracker somewhere? |
| 17:01.39 | ManoftheSea | cmd-cloverleaf-butterfly? |
| 17:01.49 | nsadmin | boudiccas, so the service was running, and I ran again... it said it couldn't bind port 667 as it was in use |
| 17:02.08 | boudiccas | nsadmin: what did you run again? |
| 17:02.19 | nsadmin | one sec |
| 17:02.43 | nsadmin | got it... |
| 17:03.13 | nsadmin | so I started with init.d then I ran darkstat -i eth0 |
| 17:03.16 | nsadmin | and it said |
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| 17:03.31 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.53 | peterrooney | daemon: other candidate locations are /usr/local/bin/ and /opt/usr/bin |
| 17:03.55 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: debian maintainers are supposed to send upstream bugs to original authors, even if some packages prefer you to send reports directly upstream |
| 17:03.57 | _deadmund_ | Strangest thing: one of my repos throwing the error is : 35.9.37.225 has a debian/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz |
| 17:04.04 | boudiccas | nsadmin: ah right, thanks. it was a most informative exercise |
| 17:04.25 | nsadmin | can't get better than that |
| 17:04.27 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: as far as I know, ssmtp is maintained by Debian :) (I'm running it on Gentoo ;) ) |
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| 17:04.57 | nsadmin | it works... AND we both learn a shitload of stuff |
| 17:05.09 | boudiccas | deadmund; aptitude or synaptic both use apt-get slightly differently and i'm never sure which it is |
| 17:05.13 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: but, if I hear you correctly: just place the bugreport on bugs.debian.org? |
| 17:05.23 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: well it didn't help :( |
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| 17:06.07 | nsadmin | at least apt-get uses the apt libs |
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| 17:07.20 | peterrooney | is not sure synaptic even uses dpkg |
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| 17:07.42 | boudiccas | deadmund; tough, we're all volunteers so stop whining! |
| 17:07.57 | _deadmund_ | alright :P |
| 17:07.59 | _deadmund_ | sorry |
| 17:08.07 | jparkton | breaks a coconut open on _deadmund_'s head |
| 17:08.08 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, probably better to give the bug report to a special email client called reportbug |
| 17:09.07 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: true. But I run Gentoo on my desktop. I doubt it has reportbug in it's packagemanager :p :) |
| 17:09.08 | xreal | Can I find "toast" in any package? |
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| 17:10.05 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, you're trying to file a debian bug? |
| 17:10.06 | jparkton | gentoo == debian? |
| 17:10.34 | nsadmin | jparkton, it is if he verifies the bug exists in debian and then reports it :) |
| 17:10.55 | Cybertinus | yes, I'm trying to report a bug at Debian, because I found a bug in a program that the Debian Project maintains (ssmtp). |
| 17:11.06 | jparkton | ahhh I see what ya mean |
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| 17:11.08 | Cybertinus | but that program also runs on Gentoo offcourse :) |
| 17:11.22 | jparkton | right |
| 17:11.26 | nsadmin | jparkton, he's reaching out tryin to help us :) |
| 17:11.35 | jparkton | and buntu, backtrack, puppy a few others lol |
| 17:11.46 | jparkton | jep |
| 17:12.00 | Cybertinus | but I don't know if I should use bugs.debian.org to report this bug or that ssmtp has it's own bugtracker somewhere :) |
| 17:12.11 | jelly-home | ,v ssmtp |
| 17:12.12 | judd | Package: ssmtp on i386 -- lenny: 2.62-3; squeeze: 2.64-4; sid: 2.64-7; wheezy: 2.64-7 |
| 17:12.25 | Cybertinus | indeed nsadmin :). I'm trying to help you :) (I even got the patch to fix the problem ;) ) |
| 17:12.28 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, it would be cool of you to see if the bug exists in the wheezy ssmtp and the sid ssmtp |
| 17:12.36 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: that doesn't look like a native package, and you sure Debian maintains it? |
| 17:13.06 | Cybertinus | when I look ssmtp up in the package manager of Gentoo I get the following homepage: |
| 17:13.07 | Cybertinus | Homepage: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/ssmtp/ |
| 17:13.16 | Cybertinus | that pretty much tells me Debian maintains it :p |
| 17:13.17 | jelly-home | hah |
| 17:13.31 | Cybertinus | but |
| 17:14.02 | Cybertinus | I can install Debian 6 (don't know the codename for it, although I'm a big Toy Story fan :p) in a VirtualBox |
| 17:14.06 | Cybertinus | comfirm the problem |
| 17:14.07 | Diopter | Squeeze |
| 17:14.09 | Cybertinus | and then use reportbug |
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| 17:14.16 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: indeed, debian's package says Homepage: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/ssmtp.html |
| 17:14.34 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: that would work, if you're willing to go that extra mile |
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| 17:15.04 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, that would be good :) maybe you could install wheezy instead? |
| 17:15.14 | jelly-home | why |
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| 17:15.17 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: sure. A netinstall is done quickly. And I don't need to setup anything on it. Just install ssmtp |
| 17:15.28 | jelly-home | it's simpler and easier to install stable than mess with wheezy |
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| 17:16.02 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: well, that only is a small change in /etc/apt/sources.list and an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot |
| 17:16.03 | Cybertinus | :) |
| 17:16.13 | daemon | jelly-home, peterrooney thank you |
| 17:16.15 | nsadmin | true... anyway, we probably get that patch in the bug report |
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| 17:16.40 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, he's right about the effort... the least effort is to install stable |
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| 17:17.15 | nsadmin | what version of ssmtp is your patch against? |
| 17:17.29 | Cybertinus | 2.64 |
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| 17:17.47 | Cybertinus | the latest version I could find on the Homepage Gentoo provided me with :) |
| 17:18.03 | Cybertinus | I've used the sourcecode of the orignal package to write the patch |
| 17:18.04 | nsadmin | so probably any would be fine |
| 17:18.20 | nsadmin | all of the debian releases have that version too |
| 17:18.20 | Cybertinus | not the sourcecode Gentoo provides me with, and put a few patches on from itself ;) |
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| 17:18.56 | boudiccas | deadmund; so you're running stable and trying to upgrade to wheezy? is that right? |
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| 17:19.23 | Cybertinus | downloading the 6.0.4 amd64 netinstall iso now |
| 17:19.30 | Cybertinus | err, 6.0.5 offcourse |
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| 17:19.37 | nsadmin | the easiest thing to do is just see if it's a bug in the ssmtp in stable |
| 17:19.38 | colun | Hello all, I have a big problem on Wheezy with Gnomint : http://pastebin.com/T8L2HmEU |
| 17:19.44 | Cybertinus | (I already have the 6.0.4 amd64 iso downloaded :p) |
| 17:20.11 | gele | Hello, after upgrading to Wheezy with the latest PAE kernel my system seems to get stuck on "[...] Waiting for /dev to be fully populated" when booting. After a minute or so it prints "udevd[386]: timeout: killing '/sbin/modprobe -b acpi:IFX0102:PNP0C31:' [439]" and continues booting. Everything seems to work once it's booted, but I'd like to get rid of that minute's wait. |
| 17:20.13 | gele | Any ideas? |
| 17:20.18 | karlpinc | Cybertinus: It does not matter. Any 6.x install cd will install the same thing. |
| 17:20.21 | nsadmin | abd note in the bug report to check for the bug in wheezy and sid, and to try the patch |
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| 17:20.48 | karlpinc | gele: Look through the <bts>. If it's not there, then file a bug. |
| 17:21.40 | Cybertinus | karlpinc: ok |
| 17:22.15 | Cybertinus | I'm going to install Debian in a VirtualBox now, and then verify the bug (of which I'm sertain it is in there, I just fixed the code :p) and then use reportbug to report it |
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| 17:22.37 | Cybertinus | and in the mean time I'll shut up, so other people can ask questions :) ;) |
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| 17:23.35 | gele | karlpinc: OK. Any hints what package I should be looking at in the bug tracker? |
| 17:24.40 | _deadmund_ | Is there anyway to go from testing to stable (I don't think there is). |
| 17:24.41 | karlpinc | gele: I'd guess the kernel. If you file and bug and that's wrong they'll send it where it belongs -- perhaps. You could check udev too. |
| 17:24.53 | karlpinc | !tell _deadmund_ about downgrade |
| 17:25.00 | boudiccas | deadmund; sorry, there isnt safely |
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| 17:25.08 | _deadmund_ | I thought so :( |
| 17:25.10 | karlpinc | _deadmund_: The recommended way is to reinstall. |
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| 17:25.57 | _deadmund_ | I think the problem is regarding apt_pkg which is a python 2.5 || python 2.6 module but my system only has python 2.7 Maybe I can install 2.6 and make it the default :/ |
| 17:28.03 | boudiccas | ,v apt |
| 17:28.04 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.9.7.1; sid: 0.9.7.2 |
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| 17:28.39 | boudiccas | deadmund; could your apt be corrupt? maybe you could try installing it anew with dpkg? |
| 17:29.18 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: I'll try that. I think the issue is apt_pkg and this python 2.7 issue though. First I'm going to try installing python2.6 |
| 17:29.35 | _deadmund_ | I have to download packages from the web site on a different computer and transfer them over. It's slow. |
| 17:29.45 | boudiccas | deadmund; i hope you have good backups? good luck! |
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| 17:30.15 | _deadmund_ | there is nothing important on this system. It will be a pain to reinstall because it is a powerpc and needed a lot of configuration |
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| 17:31.09 | boudiccas | deadmund; can you manually backup your conf files to another drive which would help with reinstallation? |
| 17:31.26 | _deadmund_ | boudiccas: maybe, good idea :) |
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| 17:32.34 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:32.52 | nsadmin | the stuff in /etc isn't so big that you can't have it in another hd partition while you install |
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| 17:35.58 | _deadmund_ | fuck |
| 17:36.01 | boudiccas | that doesnt sound good |
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| 17:37.09 | _deadmund_ | hahaha |
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| 17:37.27 | _deadmund_ | First I'm gonna try with a debian testing powerpc installer CD (cd 1) as a repo source |
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| 17:38.28 | _deadmund_ | This is a bug BTW. All I did was switch my sources and update |
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| 17:42.17 | boudiccas | ,version catalyst |
| 17:42.18 | judd | No package named 'catalyst' was found in i386. |
| 17:43.16 | boudiccas | Kurogane: it appears that your 'catalyst' is supported in debian, so you should contact them. |
| 17:43.28 | boudiccas | insupported |
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| 17:43.39 | boudiccas | meaning unsupported, dammit! |
| 17:43.57 | _deadmund_ | I have a separate /home :) |
| 17:44.14 | MO_Handes | how to get a list of installed applications? how to exclude libraries from the list? is there a way to get a tree like dependency based list of packages? |
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| 17:49.54 | triad- | how i get installed java on LMDE ? |
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| 17:50.08 | Calinou | apt-get install java> then tab-complete? |
| 17:50.09 | jhutchins_wk | MO_Handes: I don't think anybody's found it worth while to do that kind of analysis, let alone build a tool for it. |
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| 17:50.19 | boudiccas | triad-: sorry we dont support linux mint here, try there channel |
| 17:50.35 | jhutchins_wk | MO_Handes: dpkg -l | grep -v lib would give you a vague approximation. |
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| 17:52.50 | psiklops | Hi. I have Squeeze installed. I am looking for a Program to generate paper strips to glue onto a sphere such as ppmglobe |
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| 17:53.44 | psiklops | ppmglobe supposed to be a package within Netpbm |
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| 17:54.08 | psiklops | but i cannot find pnmglobe |
| 17:54.16 | boudiccas | ,v netpbm |
| 17:54.17 | judd | Package: netpbm on i386 -- lenny: 2:10.0-12+lenny1; lenny-security: 2:10.0-12+lenny1; squeeze: 2:10.0-12.2+b1; sid: 2:10.0-15+b1; wheezy: 2:10.0-15+b1 |
| 17:54.20 | psiklops | ppmglobe |
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| 17:54.34 | boudiccas | ,v ppmglobe |
| 17:54.35 | judd | No package named 'ppmglobe' was found in i386. |
| 17:55.07 | psiklops | jepp |
| 17:55.11 | psiklops | http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/ppmglobe.html |
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| 17:58.38 | psiklops | found something on it here: http://www.gensthaler.de/index.php?Projekte:Globemap |
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| 18:13.39 | Resilience | I'm using debian testing, I'm using the interactive version of aptitude, and when I'm trying to update the packages selected the interface tries to delete a lot of packes for not been used ()--\ Packages being removed because they are no longer used (353) , but they are used (gnome, and all thongs gnome and like that... why is it happening and how can I avoid it? |
| 18:14.37 | karlpinc | Resilience: Have you done an "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" lately? |
| 18:15.05 | Resilience | karlpinc, yes, becuase someone told me so, but the problem arised before doing it |
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| 18:15.44 | johndoe | i accidentaly my locales |
| 18:15.50 | johndoe | can i fix this somehow? |
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| 18:16.04 | johndoe | /usr/share/i18n/locales |
| 18:16.06 | karlpinc | Resilience: Have you looked at the topic of #debian-next on irc.oftc.net? It often has recent bugs. |
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| 18:16.48 | zonk1024 | anyone got a second to help me setup a router running debwrt? i just need to know how to route traffic from the br-lan interface to the wan |
| 18:16.51 | jelly-home | johndoe: dpkg -S that path and reinstall all the packages |
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| 18:17.46 | johndoe | jelly-home: thank you sir, it works ^^ |
| 18:17.47 | yoshio | I just bought a Lenovo G570 laptop and installed Wheezy. Under Wheezy, the battery runs down until a critical level, then the laptop hibernates (even though the power adapter is connected). How do I get the battery to charge under Wheezy? If I boot into Win7, it will charge properly. |
| 18:18.05 | karlpinc | yoshio: It's not polite to cross-post here and oftc.net. |
| 18:18.25 | karlpinc | zonk1024: What is debwrt? |
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| 18:18.48 | zonk1024 | karlpinc: OpenWRT + Debian |
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| 18:18.50 | Resilience | karlpinc, it says nothing, and I don't think it be a bugm but soethig malfunctioning (a cascade of deletions) I only want to know hot to configure the intnerfac from aptitude to not delete AUTOMATICALLY the orphaned packages.. becasuse I have configured to do so but it does not obey... |
| 18:19.21 | zonk1024 | karlpinc: http://www.debwrt.net |
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| 18:19.47 | karlpinc | Resilience: I use "aptitude unauto somepackage" to take away the "auto" mark. |
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| 18:20.04 | karlpinc | (I think it's unauto. "man aptitude") |
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| 18:20.29 | Resilience | karlpinc, but I'm having trouble with the intractive interface, the oe with ncurses when you run only "aptitude" that's what's wrong... |
| 18:20.58 | zonk1024 | so, anyone got an iptables rule or a route command for br-lan -> wan |
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| 18:21.39 | karlpinc | Resilience: So, don't use it. I don't, so can't help with that. |
| 18:22.18 | Resilience | karlpinc, well, I use it, I like to use it in that way, thanks for your time, but "not to use it" is not an option ;D |
| 18:23.06 | karlpinc | Resilience: Someone here may be able to help but we tend to support the command line. Talking through gui/curses interfaces can be painful on irc. |
| 18:23.19 | epzil0n | hi, is there anyone that has run debian and pcbsd in dualboot, if so i wonder if it's better to first install debian and then add pcbsd manually as i understand that grub wont detect it du to the filesystem? |
| 18:23.36 | epzil0n | or freebsd ofc.. |
| 18:24.00 | karlpinc | Resilience: You could read the instructions to find out how to unauto in the curses interface. It's in html format in file:///usr/share/doc/ |
| 18:24.10 | Resilience | karlpinc, I understand that, but my problem is with the curses interface.... I don't pretend that you solve my problem but "don't use it" is not an option, sorry |
| 18:24.23 | Resilience | karlpinc, ah, that is waht I was asking for, thanks :) |
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| 18:26.50 | nsadmin | karlpinc, in fact it;s so hard that the only way to do it with confidence is to (possibly install the thing and) be looking at what they[re seeing |
| 18:27.06 | yoshio | Resilience: "man apt.conf" "zless /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz" |
| 18:27.56 | Resilience | yoshio, thanks |
| 18:28.57 | zonk1024 | how do i construct an iptables forward rule for br-lan -> wan? |
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| 18:31.43 | zonk1024 | guess it's 'sudo iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -i br-lan -o wan', but it didn't work :-/ |
| 18:32.15 | yoshio | Resilience: man page for apt-get: --auto-remove If the command is either install or remove, then this option acts like running autoremove command, removing the unused dependency packages. Configuration Item: APT::Get::AutomaticRemove. |
| 18:33.09 | Cybertinus | nsadmin, jelly-home: It all worked out OK :). I've reported my bug (well, it was reported already, so I created a comment to the correct bugreport) and attached my patch :). The bug I'm talking about: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544018 Thnx for helping me :) |
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| 18:34.14 | Resilience | yoshio, my problem is with aptitude.. and wat I want is NOT autoremove... |
| 18:35.22 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, thanks for helping us |
| 18:35.49 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: yw :). I hope the patch is applied this time :) ;) |
| 18:36.23 | yoshio | Resilience: create a file called /etc/apt/apt.conf - put one line in it - APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "false"; (with semicolon), see if that works. |
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| 18:36.59 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, if the bug is filed against stable, it might take some manual things before it gets to the attn of maints who are presently testing testing... |
| 18:37.29 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: ah, yes. I can understand that :) |
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| 18:38.33 | Resilience | yoshio, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d exists... where do I create the file? |
| 18:38.39 | nsadmin | maybe a good thing to do is track for about 10 days, and if no action see if you can email him and get him to talk to you |
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| 18:38.55 | innociv | How do I make ssh run on a different core? |
| 18:38.56 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, so you found that the problem does exist in squeeze? |
| 18:39.05 | innociv | I keep having cpu used up 100% on one core and locked out form ssh |
| 18:39.11 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: yup, it exists in squeeze |
| 18:39.16 | yoshio | Resilience: ok, create a file called /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/resilience (any name really) |
| 18:39.25 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: I've just updated my test Debian to Wheezy, to verify it there too |
| 18:39.42 | nsadmin | that would be great |
| 18:39.59 | nsadmin | the ssmtp in wheezy is the same one in sid |
| 18:40.21 | Cybertinus | ok |
| 18:40.28 | Cybertinus | but it's a different version in Squeeze? |
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| 18:40.41 | nsadmin | , v ssmtp |
| 18:40.42 | judd | Package: ssmtp on i386 -- lenny: 2.62-3; squeeze: 2.64-4; sid: 2.64-7; wheezy: 2.64-7 |
| 18:41.03 | Cybertinus | ok, those are a bit newer |
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| 18:41.43 | Resilience | yoshio, mm that's a directory which is full of files.. can I make a file with the name that I like? |
| 18:41.56 | yoshio | Resilience: yes, any filename |
| 18:42.25 | nsadmin | the -4 and -7 are the number maintainer uploads (same version, perhaps newly patched_ |
| 18:42.28 | nsadmin | ) |
| 18:42.58 | nsadmin | so the wheezy one had 3 updates over the one in squeeze |
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| 18:43.47 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: well, it could be that it is fixed then |
| 18:43.58 | Cybertinus | but, only one way to find out :) |
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| 18:44.16 | Cybertinus | the apt-get dist-upgrade is still running on my test Debian, so I have to wait a bit before I can test it |
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| 18:45.13 | Resilience | yoshio, : Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/100mio:2: Extra junk at end of file??? |
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| 18:45.19 | btr | hello. are debian developers using the debion gnome3 desktop? im seriously asking. how do you manage many terminal windows? |
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| 18:46.50 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: it is also broken in Wheezy. Send another comment to the bug to add this piece of information? |
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| 18:46.55 | nsadmin | btr, either tabbed or separate windows |
| 18:47.30 | nsadmin | Cybertinus you may wish to grab the source to see if the patch applies cleanly |
| 18:47.54 | nsadmin | it looks like there are other patches against the upstream |
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| 18:48.19 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: hmm, ok. Let me see how I can do that... |
| 18:48.25 | btr | nsadmin: thanks |
| 18:48.26 | nsadmin | and also see if the problem goes away if you build the package |
| 18:48.54 | yoshio | Resilience: the file contents is just: APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "false"; (with semicolon) ? |
| 18:49.13 | nsadmin | I like to put package source in its own dir (where .debs will go if I build): |
| 18:49.36 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.55 | cacho | hi!, anyone uses/knows a good debian mips box?, planning to use it as low end server |
| 18:49.57 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.11 | yoshio | Resilience: the :2: makes it sound like the second line of the file, you just have one line, correct? |
| 18:50.22 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.56 | nsadmin | then you have the debianized source and the build requirements are installed, you can build at will |
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| 18:51.41 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: ah, nice. Thnx. Gonna do that |
| 18:52.13 | nsadmin | at that point I would copy the source dir |
| 18:52.20 | nsadmin | then apply the patch to one |
| 18:52.58 | jagginess | cacho, a low end server in what? |
| 18:53.03 | Resilience | yoshio, I have the line bad written, there were errors, now it is right and it works, thank you very much... this solves th eproblem but leaves one question.. why is it happening? |
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| 18:53.46 | cacho | jagginess: probably git + ircd, not much usage, but I need it full time up |
| 18:53.49 | drigolli3r | hi all |
| 18:53.54 | cacho | o/ |
| 18:54.50 | nsadmin | you mean like a commit notifier bot? |
| 18:54.58 | SiDz | screen -d -m -S tcpdumproot tcpdump -i eth0 > bla |
| 18:55.02 | SiDz | i never have nothing in bla |
| 18:55.04 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: pfff, I'm glad I've got a seperate Debian install for this in Virtualbox, and that I didn't thought "ah, well, lets use my Debian VPS for this". That machine runs all my e-mail and stuff, and my IRC bouncer, everything. I want to keep that thing clean ;) |
| 18:55.04 | jagginess | cacho, dunno if an nslu2 can handle that, but i have one running a dns cache server for years 24/7 .. never failed on me once |
| 18:55.06 | SiDz | i dont understand why |
| 18:55.31 | yoshio | Resilience: when you install a package with aptitude, it flags it as manually installed, and any dependencies as automatically installed. when the manually installed package is removed, any dependencies are automatically removed -see man page for aptitude, "markauto, unmarkauto" |
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| 18:55.48 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, yeah, glad you did too... never change the production server :) |
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| 18:56.07 | robokop | SiDz: you redirect the output of screen, not tcpdump |
| 18:56.10 | Resilience | yoshio, yes but.. why would be gnome be removed? and 354 more packages? |
| 18:56.30 | robokop | SiDz: try: screen -d -m -S tcpdumproot 'tcpdump -i eth0 > bla' |
| 18:56.49 | SiDz | ho |
| 18:56.50 | SiDz | thx |
| 18:56.50 | SiDz | :P |
| 18:57.10 | jelly-home | gives SiDz a -w option for tcpdump |
| 18:57.21 | jelly-home | and a -n at that |
| 18:57.36 | cacho | jagginess: looks pretty good, gonna look for something similar, thanks |
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| 18:57.44 | yoshio | Resilience: if you look at the aptitude man page, there is a "why" and "why-not" keyword, not sure if that helps. what command line were you using that would cause gnome to be removed? |
| 18:57.49 | SiDz | -n for tcpdump? |
| 18:57.55 | rue_house | odd question, how do I find out what window manager I'm looking at? |
| 18:58.11 | Resilience | yoshio, not command line it gets rmven in the curses interface |
| 18:58.15 | SiDz | screen -d -m -S tcpdumproot 'tcpdump -i eth0 > bla' that command isn't working |
| 18:58.18 | SiDz | screen wont start |
| 18:58.41 | yoshio | Resilience: ok, what package were you trying to install/remove from the ncurses aptitude |
| 18:58.59 | jagginess | cacho, i'm actually waiting for my raspberry-pi to come..(it'll be weeks), it's supposedly low powered and a sellout (you have to be on a waiting list for a scheduling time-to-order) |
| 18:59.26 | Resilience | aptclone and others, but I have just reinstalled the system fresh 2 dsaya ago.. and it happened me with the system before... |
| 18:59.30 | cacho | jagginess: yep, but I need it mips hehe |
| 18:59.55 | jagginess | cacho, it's cost is advertised as 25$.. but in reality it turned out to be 45 usd$ .. |
| 19:00.04 | cacho | too much demand |
| 19:00.30 | SiDz | nohup tcpdump -n -i eth0 > tcpdump.txt & |
| 19:00.32 | SiDz | that is working:) |
| 19:00.36 | jagginess | cacho, btw, there's a debian release for it right off their website.. so it may tailor to your needs.. |
| 19:00.44 | yoshio | Resilience: are you on squeeze or wheezy, and do you have multiple sources (squeeze, wheezy, unstabled, experimental, outside repos, etc) |
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| 19:01.03 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: my patch applyed without problems. And after which the problem is fixed. |
| 19:01.17 | hyppias | where can apt-get find gallery2 ???? |
| 19:01.35 | jagginess | hyppias, apt-cache does searches, |
| 19:01.40 | yoshio | ,v gallery2 |
| 19:01.41 | judd | Package: gallery2 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.3.1.dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.3.2.dfsg-1 |
| 19:01.42 | Resilience | yoshio, I'm on "testing" wahtever it be called now (I find easier to call the differente version for waht they are, stable, testing experimetnal and wahtever) and I don't have multple souces |
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| 19:02.42 | yoshio | ,v aptclone |
| 19:02.43 | judd | No package named 'aptclone' was found in i386. |
| 19:02.51 | yoshio | ,v apt-clone |
| 19:02.52 | judd | Package: apt-clone on i386 -- sid: 0.2.2; wheezy: 0.2.2 |
| 19:02.59 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, yay! thank you so much! |
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| 19:03.15 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: I think I'll add that information to the bug too ;) |
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| 19:04.01 | cacho | jagginess: cool |
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| 19:04.28 | irinix | Hi guys, I have a small problem. My install is to a raid, I used LVM during the Debian installer to get things started, when I try to boot my server I get what looks like a common error, regarding a lack of my volume group, could somebody give me some input? |
| 19:04.35 | Resilience | yoshio, apt-clone |
| 19:05.26 | nsadmin | So, Cybertinus is a guy who came to us not running debian at all, and wanted to report a bug to us... so he installed debian, installed the package, and determined the problem still present under squeeze... then he installs wheezy and makes sure the problem is there, applies his patch, finds the problem is then gone, and is now adjusting the bug report |
| 19:05.44 | SiDz | 15:03:51.745265 IP 31.25.89.21.45149 > 204.45.80.37.53: 49116+ [1au] TXT? wdez.com. (37) my tcpdump is getting flooded by line like that |
| 19:05.48 | SiDz | always the same ip |
| 19:05.53 | SiDz | can it be a form of ddos? |
| 19:05.56 | yoshio | Resilience: sometimes when you install a package, it pulls in dependencies, and those will force you to upgrade or remove software to satisfy those dependencies. This sometimes causes disruptions, so the admins try to manage this - http://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition |
| 19:05.57 | bzed | irinix: whts the exact message and what kind of storage/harddisk do you use? |
| 19:06.19 | jelly-home | SiDz: is 31.25.89.21 your ip? |
| 19:06.23 | SiDz | nope |
| 19:06.26 | SiDz | 204. is mine |
| 19:06.57 | irinix | bzed, my disk is a raid 0 array on an adaptec card, (give me a minute and I'll be able to get the model, need to reboot) |
| 19:06.59 | Resilience | yoshio, the packes were automatically removed becuase there were no packages which referred to that ones.. it was not a software deletion, but it was triggered by orphaned... |
| 19:07.03 | SiDz | im getting ddosed since this morning |
| 19:07.06 | bzed | irinix: wait |
| 19:07.08 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: well, yeah :). Other then the fact that I'm running Debian on my VPS your summary is pretty exact :) |
| 19:07.09 | jelly-home | SiDz: did you accidentally configure your dns server to allow recursion? |
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| 19:07.23 | SiDz | i allow recursion only for internal zone |
| 19:07.25 | SiDz | not external |
| 19:07.45 | SiDz | now i cant connect to vps, someone is ddossing it |
| 19:07.48 | nsadmin | I'm just saying... I shouldn't be the only one to thank you |
| 19:07.48 | bzed | irinix: add rootdelay=30 as boot option (press e in grub and put it to the kernel options) and then try to boot |
| 19:07.59 | irinix | bzed, tried that |
| 19:08.03 | irinix | same results |
| 19:08.04 | jelly-home | SiDz: are you running a game server on it? |
| 19:08.11 | SiDz | nope jelly |
| 19:08.20 | bzed | irinix: is there some complaint about missing firmware? |
| 19:08.22 | irinix | I will try again to confirm |
| 19:08.23 | jelly-home | SiDz: those are very prone to ddos by angry kids |
| 19:08.26 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: well, you are welcome :) |
| 19:08.27 | irinix | bzed no,. |
| 19:08.31 | SiDz | sound like ya |
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| 19:08.39 | SiDz | ill see the log when i can log back in the vps |
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| 19:09.02 | bzed | irinix: then i'm out of wild guesses :) is the adaptex card and the disc(s) being detected at boot time? |
| 19:09.15 | irinix | bzed yes. |
| 19:09.28 | irinix | right up until the grub screen apparently |
| 19:09.34 | bzed | irinix: do you have /boot on the lvm device, too? |
| 19:09.51 | irinix | bzed, I think I might. I only have the two drives in the array |
| 19:10.08 | bzed | irinix: okay that is your issue I would guess |
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| 19:10.16 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, did you write the code that ended up being that patch? |
| 19:10.21 | bzed | irinix: I doubt grub will handle it properly, grub is a mess anyway :) |
| 19:10.32 | irinix | bzed, what should I do to fix? |
| 19:10.34 | yoshio | Resilience: better pages http://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 19:10.49 | bzed | irinix: I would suggest you reinstall and create partitions on the device you boot from, a 200M partition for /boot and one with the rest |
| 19:10.53 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: and I'm seriously thinking about ditching Gentoo and continue with another distro. And that other distro is probably gonna be Debian-based (Mint Debian flavor or something) ;) |
| 19:11.06 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: yes, I've written the new code myself |
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| 19:11.21 | bzed | irinix: and then add lvm on the second partition and install everything else there |
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| 19:11.39 | nsadmin | you should definitely send the maint a hello |
| 19:11.44 | irinix | bzed, do the drives NOT need to be identical then? |
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| 19:12.22 | dalias | *sigh* what is the right name for kernel packages now? |
| 19:12.24 | bzed | irinix: for lvm? no. it just concats devices |
| 19:12.34 | dalias | i can't find any linux-image packages newer than 3.2 ... |
| 19:12.37 | bzed | dalias: linux-image-architecture |
| 19:12.38 | dalias | and that can't be right |
| 19:12.39 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, it would at minimum be a good thing to run the same os as on your remote |
| 19:12.54 | Resilience | yoshio, well, but when I do aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade it does NOT tries to erase anything for being orphaned.. why the curses interface tris to do so? |
| 19:12.56 | bzed | dalias: that is right. wheezy will ship with 3.2 as it is the current long term support kernel |
| 19:12.58 | jelly-home | dalias: why not? 3.2 is the choice of kernel for wheezy. |
| 19:13.03 | dalias | i'm using sid |
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| 19:13.03 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 19:13.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 19:13.09 | dalias | and 3.2 is very broken |
| 19:13.10 | irinix | okay I will try that tonight, are you going to be around at about 1830/1900 PST? |
| 19:13.17 | bzed | dalias: no its not. |
| 19:13.28 | jelly-home | dalias: you won't get a newer one in sid for quite a while |
| 19:13.34 | bzed | dalias: and I assume you've reported every bug you found. |
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| 19:13.53 | bzed | irinix: no :) but there will be others here |
| 19:13.54 | jelly-home | dalias: /msg dpkg slushy |
| 19:14.03 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: well, maybe :). But running Gentoo isn't a big problem when running Debian on the server. At my work I run OS X on my desktop and 95% of the servers we maintain is CentOS :). Also not a problem ;) |
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| 19:14.35 | dalias | bzed, the bug is known but i didn't see a fix. it's rt2790 wifi randomly using 100% cpu in kernelspace processes and taking down the system (not to mention the network) |
| 19:14.40 | dalias | happens almost daily with 3.2 |
| 19:14.50 | dalias | so i'm still using an old 2.6 kernel |
| 19:14.55 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: my prive VPS is the only Debian machine in the entier virtualisation enviroment we have build ourselfs :p. The rest is CentOS |
| 19:15.56 | freezer | how can i check the temp of my HDD? |
| 19:16.08 | yoshio | Resilience: I'm looking through http://bugs.debian.org/aptitude to see if there are any reported bugs like yours |
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| 19:16.36 | freezer | i turned off the fan and am worried |
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| 19:17.08 | jagginess | freezer, put it in the freezer |
| 19:17.08 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: pfff, and now this ssmtp bug is fixed, I thought I could continue my work on my new backup-script. But then my imap server stops working, all of a sudden :S |
| 19:17.09 | dizzylizzy | i have a brand new fresh installation of squeeze next to my wheezy installation. I had issues setting up an encrypted /home during installation, so now I have a 15 GB partition mounted at / and an unused fully ready-to-use empty LUKS partition. how would I go about putting /home there instead? also would this be easier if I weren't running the squeeze installation and instead in wheezy? |
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| 19:17.23 | freezer | jagginess, funny |
| 19:17.58 | dalias | hmm experimental has it.. |
| 19:18.07 | dalias | (3.4) |
| 19:18.10 | dalias | sid is just stuck on the old one |
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| 19:20.13 | freezer | hddtemp says 49C |
| 19:20.28 | freezer | how much is okay? |
| 19:20.53 | jelly-home | freezer: rule of thumb? up to ~40 for a desktop disk, ~45-50 for a laptop 2.5" one |
| 19:21.01 | jelly-home | anyt |
| 19:21.19 | freezer | it's a 3.5" desktop |
| 19:21.32 | freezer | only 40? |
| 19:21.38 | jelly-home | invest in a separate fan blowing over disks |
| 19:21.49 | yoshio | Resilience: in the ncurses mode, hit CONTROL-T, use the right arrow to go to Preferences, go to the "Dependency Handling" section, hit RETURN to open it up, and uncheck "remove unused packages automatically" |
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| 19:22.39 | jelly-home | freezer: it's a rule of thumb. at ~50 you can expect a bit more errors, a bit more reallocated sectors, and the disk dying a year or two earlier |
| 19:22.49 | Resilience | yoshio, I did that, but it stil tries to remove them :( |
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| 19:23.59 | nsadmin | Cybertinus, anyway, I'm gonna wander around running errands |
| 19:24.06 | freezer | jelly-home, who keeps hardware more than 2years anyway? |
| 19:24.14 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: ok. I found my imap problem, back to my backupscript :) |
| 19:24.19 | freezer | http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_7200_10.pdf well according to this up to 60 is okay |
| 19:24.24 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: hf, and thnx for all the tips and advice |
| 19:24.37 | freezer | but i agree, more temp will probably not increase the lifespan |
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| 19:25.04 | jelly-home | freezer: I know people using 10+ years old hw |
| 19:25.17 | freezer | but it might increase my lifespan, since i'm less stressed because of the stupid 40mm fan ;P |
| 19:25.30 | jagginess | or just put it in the freezer |
| 19:25.32 | jelly-home | 40mm? I've put a 120mm blowing over disks |
| 19:25.46 | freezer | it's a D-LINK NAS |
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| 19:25.54 | freezer | tiny case for 2x 3.5" |
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| 19:25.58 | dizzylizzy | what sort of activity heats disks up that much |
| 19:26.12 | funky | iotop is your friend |
| 19:26.13 | jelly-home | not much place then |
| 19:26.21 | freezer | http://jamie.lentin.co.uk/devices/dlink-dns325/ <--- AND i just put debian on it :) |
| 19:26.22 | innociv | Is there something I can put in .bashrc to make all processes I start have -5 nice or something? |
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| 19:26.38 | freezer | jelly-home, yes but i only put one drive in |
| 19:26.50 | jelly-home | funky: I have something similar, but I keep it half-open and only run it on weekends |
| 19:27.01 | freezer | two without a fan might be deadly |
| 19:27.10 | Sabadoooooo | http://%6d%65%61%74%73%70%69%6e%2e%63%6f%6d |
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| 19:27.30 | jelly-home | eh. !ops sabad |
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| 19:27.53 | danners | hey i installed clang on the debian raspberrypi wheezy image. when i try to compile something i get this: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory does somebody know how to fix that? |
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| 19:28.43 | jagginess | danners, #raspberrypi |
| 19:29.04 | jagginess | danners, wheezy image for raspberry pi? |
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| 19:29.44 | freezer | yes it has been released |
| 19:29.47 | danners | jagginess: yep came out some days ago |
| 19:30.19 | jelly-home | danners: are you sure that's an official image? URL? |
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| 19:30.20 | yoshio | Resilience: let me ask you this - why wouldn't you want dependencies to be automatically removed if the parent package is removed? if you want to keep a package, you can mark it as manually installed at any time, so then it won't be deleted automatically |
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| 19:30.41 | danners | jelly-home: well its from the raspberry guys not from debian directly... |
| 19:31.00 | jagginess | freezer, danners, raspberry pi is a unique build for the SOC |
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| 19:31.18 | danners | jagginess: oh okay so they rebuild every package? |
| 19:31.20 | jagginess | ("based on the Raspbian optimised version of Debian") |
| 19:31.20 | Resilience | yoshio, becuase the system is going worng, becuase it tries to remoev 354 packages that I'm uisng, packages like gnome, gnome-games and things such that.. so obviusly it is going wrong |
| 19:31.26 | jagginess | !raspberrypi |
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| 19:31.54 | jagginess | danners, yes |
| 19:31.56 | jelly-home | danners: if it's raspbian, then yes, it's a rebuild for an architecture that does not exist in Debian yet |
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| 19:32.17 | jagginess | it even says on the download page |
| 19:32.21 | danners | jelly-home,jelly-home: ah okay didnt know that thanks |
| 19:32.23 | Coweater | Resilience: gnome and gnome-games are meta-packages, they only exist to depend on real packages so things get installed together |
| 19:32.37 | jagginess | is even waiting for his raspberrypi in the mail, and wouldnt ask for help on #debian for it |
| 19:32.59 | yoshio | ,p apt-clone |
| 19:33.02 | jagginess | it may look and appear similar, but it's meant to be used for people who know what to do with it |
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| 19:33.43 | intent | Can anybody please like my Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Face-The-Book/127817240694024 |
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| 19:35.37 | jelly-home | makes me wish I had a Facebook account, to report the spam |
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| 19:36.02 | user1 | exit |
| 19:37.04 | jagginess | intent, doesn't work. don't ask me about facebook ever. |
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| 19:38.06 | kephra | what flash version is installed by flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 19:38.25 | jelly-home | kephra: the latest Adobe provided for download |
| 19:38.26 | jagginess | kephra, use the mouse and do that rt-click |
| 19:39.00 | jagginess | is tired of disguised help advertisements |
| 19:39.45 | jagginess | well there's facebook, adobe, what's next.. |
| 19:40.08 | jagginess | I CAME HERE TO HELP FOR DEBIAN. |
| 19:40.09 | dvs | jagginess: Can you help me? My Coke Zero keeps crashing on me. ;-P |
| 19:40.11 | yoshio | Resilience: maybe an old unresolved bug: http://bugs.debian.org/299009 |
| 19:40.20 | simonlnu | google plus and twitter.... |
| 19:40.54 | simonlnu | dvs: dump the thing into an incinerator |
| 19:41.01 | dvs | heh |
| 19:41.19 | jagginess | I couldn't give a tweet for a dot, it'll steal all my roots |
| 19:41.24 | jelly-home | dvs: I've tried other sodas, but only Coke Zero works for me when I hack on Debian! |
| 19:41.40 | innociv | Is there something I can put in .bashrc to make all processes I start have -5 nice or something? Anyone? I want sshd and anything I start myself to have a higher priority. |
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| 19:44.22 | GNU\colossus | innociv, you're not supposed to start sshd yourself |
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| 19:44.35 | innociv | well |
| 19:44.50 | innociv | I want everything I start to be a higher priority, and I want sshd to be a higher priority. |
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| 19:45.28 | frostschutz | innociv: .bashrc runs with your own user permissions, and users aren't allowed to give their own processes a higher priority (usually). you could do something with renice; like sudo renice -n -5 -u yourusername |
| 19:45.51 | innociv | That actual line in bashrc? |
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| 19:46.14 | frostschutz | although that'd renice all your processes all at once, which might be overkill. not sure how to get the pid of the current shell |
| 19:46.23 | innociv | Or I just put that as a command and new processes will have that? |
| 19:47.19 | yoshio | Resilience: maybe there are two separate problems, the first one being orphaned files being removed (which was solved for the command line, but not in ncurses), and the second one where it wanted to remove gnome. For the second problem: from the command line, it gives a suggested course of action, which you can say yes/no to, if you say "no", it will try a different solution - don't know how to do that from the ncurses interface. |
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| 19:48.17 | Resilience | yoshio, thanks, is a bug, only that, but a very anoying bug (it invalidates completely the ncruses intrface.. so...) |
| 19:48.23 | Resilience | annoying* |
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| 19:48.32 | VampsDaBeast | any one have an idea why the installer for 6.0.5 would hang on scanning disk during partitioning? |
| 19:50.45 | frostschutz | innociv: ah, shell's pid is $$ so: sudo renice -n -5 $$ would probably do it for bash |
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| 19:51.05 | innociv | just put sudo renice -n -5 $$ at the end of .bashrc? |
| 19:51.27 | frostschutz | innociv: although it might mess with thing if you want to start something nicely, e.g. nice somescript.sh might run it as -5 anyway then, not sure |
| 19:51.44 | innociv | What is wrong with script.sh being -5? |
| 19:52.55 | yoshio | Resilience: you can file a "wishlist" bug on the aptitude package (see http://bugs.debian.org), saying that you want the command line feature of alternative dependency resolution, maybe including a sort of flow diagram on how you want the interface to look. The aptitude/dpkg maintainers are low on man-power, so don't get your hopes up. |
| 19:54.16 | Resilience | yoshio, interface? what interface make for a bug? when you do nothing and the autoremove feature wants to erase 354 packages there are no interfaces, there is a bug in soewhere, a real bug |
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| 20:01.48 | yoshio | Resilience: if you set flags to remove/install packages and change your mind, you can type "aptitude keep" to cancel all changes. If you have an option like "automatically upgrade installed packages" enabled (under Options->Misc) or "Automatically fix broken packages before install/upgrade", I can see it trying to remove packages to satisfy those depends |
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| 20:03.09 | innociv | Even with ssh having nice -9, I'm getting locked out from it. |
| 20:03.42 | yoshio | VampsDaBeast: did you try ALT-F2, ALT-F3, etc to see any debug messages? |
| 20:03.58 | innociv | How can I make sshd run on a different core? |
| 20:04.02 | innociv | On my 2nd core |
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| 20:09.55 | Bogus8 | what am I over looking? I'm mounting an external USB hard drive (NTFS, brand new)... mounting it -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=1000 and it is giving me "permission denied" when I try to right to it. It shows that it's owned by my user/group and everything. |
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| 20:10.13 | confined | I'm trying to update from lenny->squeeze and apt-get update is saying "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80]" |
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| 20:12.43 | innociv | Can someone please help me so that SSH will stay open when my server is attacked and 100% of one cores CPU is used? I keep getting locked out during the attacks and can't see what's going on. |
| 20:12.43 | edgy | Hi, I failed to make unattended-upgrades update from all the repos in my sources.lst. I need help on how to track why |
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| 20:13.03 | edgy | innociv: use screen |
| 20:13.13 | innociv | Use it in what way, exactly? |
| 20:13.51 | edgy | innociv: screen will allow you to reconnect in case you are disconnected |
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| 20:14.00 | edgy | innociv: you can see the previous session |
| 20:14.04 | confined | i have no clue what this ip is 64.50.236.52 for.. strange host. it's when apt-get update is trying to get squeeze/updates/main |
| 20:14.31 | innociv | How does that help, though? |
| 20:14.38 | innociv | I can reconnect by reconnecting sshd |
| 20:14.40 | innociv | ssh* |
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| 20:15.12 | confined | someone flooding your server? smurf attack? |
| 20:15.20 | innociv | It's only using up cpu not network |
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| 20:15.33 | innociv | They were attacking with a ton of spoofed ips earlier, but now it's something else |
| 20:15.46 | confined | dns server? |
| 20:15.53 | innociv | ? |
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| 20:15.58 | innociv | It's a web server |
| 20:16.00 | edgy | innociv: if you reconnect using ssh you cannot see what happened during the period which you are disconnected, right? |
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| 20:16.17 | innociv | If I reconnect with screen how can I see what happened during the period? |
| 20:16.29 | confined | can have tcpdump running, in screen |
| 20:16.34 | confined | or whatever |
| 20:16.37 | innociv | eh |
| 20:16.42 | innociv | I need to see what process is using all the cpu.. |
| 20:16.50 | edgy | innociv: you do screen -r and it would attach to your previous session |
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| 20:17.00 | confined | why can't you see it when you reconnect? |
| 20:17.11 | innociv | How could I? |
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| 20:17.24 | innociv | The attack will have stopped and not show what is using up all the cpu when i can reconnect.... |
| 20:17.25 | confined | i'm not sure if the 100% cpu is the part which kills your ssh |
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| 20:17.36 | innociv | Well it coincides with it |
| 20:17.52 | confined | but maybe you want to run some type of top and have it log |
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| 20:18.14 | edgy | innociv: you launch screen, then you launch the tool that monitors your system like dstat, then if you get kicked, you do screen -r and you will get all the previous stats |
| 20:18.28 | edgy | can any one help me in unattended-upgrades? |
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| 20:19.52 | Bogus8 | what am I over looking? I'm mounting an external USB hard drive (NTFS, brand new)... mounting it -o gid=1000,uid=1000 and it is giving me "permission denied" when I try to right to it. It shows that it's owned by my user/group and everything. |
| 20:20.22 | Bogus8 | I can read the directory just fine |
| 20:21.07 | yoshio | Resilience: does using the --safe-resolver option in aptitude help? it tries to resolve deps without deletions. |
| 20:21.17 | edgy | Bogus8: what are the permissions on the mount point? |
| 20:21.29 | confined | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:21.33 | Bogus8 | edgy: read/write by my user |
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| 20:22.03 | edgy | Bogus8: please paste the output of the mount and ls /mnt/your_folder |
| 20:22.20 | confined | hmm.. how do you grep for a high number.. I guess I can do it alphanumerically instead of numerically |
| 20:22.33 | confined | innociv, you still here? |
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| 20:22.59 | innociv | Yes |
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| 20:23.09 | innociv | wouldn't it be better to use a program that reports when a program uses over 70% cpu or something? |
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| 20:23.19 | innociv | I really want sshd to not lock out. I had that working before on ubuntu :/ |
| 20:23.22 | innociv | I forgot what I did, though |
| 20:23.29 | Bogus8 | edgy: /dev/sdf1 on /home/gilligan/raid/LutherExt type ntfs (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000) |
| 20:23.44 | Bogus8 | edgy: drwx------ 1 gilligan gilligan 4096 Mar 9 2011 . |
| 20:24.07 | edgy | innociv: check the log file may be there is a timeout set for you |
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| 20:25.01 | confined | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.36 | edgy | Bogus8: what's the output of mount -v not fstab |
| 20:26.46 | innociv | confined, what is that? |
| 20:26.58 | Bogus8 | edgy: that is from the mount command |
| 20:27.00 | innociv | at the moment I still can't get into ssh to change these |
| 20:27.01 | innociv | I'll reboot |
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| 20:27.22 | edgy | Bogus8: then mount -v |
| 20:28.59 | Bogus8 | edgy: http://pastebin.com/vfrFexzF |
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| 20:29.32 | confined | that shows current processes sorted by %cpu usage and outputting only those 70 or higher in usage |
| 20:29.48 | edgy | Bogus8: do you have ntfs-3g installed? |
| 20:30.12 | Bogus8 | edgy: I certainly should... I didn't even tell it -t. Let me double check though. |
| 20:30.39 | jagginess | Bogus8, i got / on raid here :p |
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| 20:30.58 | Bogus8 | edgy: Hmm... seems like it wasn't. Must have been using built in ntfs support. |
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| 20:31.13 | edgy | Bogus8: which I guess is ro |
| 20:31.19 | Bogus8 | jagginess: I have no need for my root here... I have a few other servers with hardware cards and raid 1's on / |
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| 20:31.30 | Bogus8 | edgy: it does say it's mounted rw though... od |
| 20:31.31 | Bogus8 | odd* |
| 20:31.52 | edgy | Bogus8: it's mounted rw if you have the proper tool to write to it maybe |
| 20:31.54 | edgy | ;) |
| 20:32.08 | jagginess | Bogus8, dpkg -l|grep -i ntfs , or modinfo ntfs , it should say ntfs-3g somewhere |
| 20:32.10 | Bogus8 | edgy: Word... Thanks a bunch, that did it! |
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| 20:32.42 | edgy | Bogus8: you are welcome, now hope some one will help me making unattended-upgrades work ;) |
| 20:33.15 | Bogus8 | jagginess: yeah, I just went a head and did a apt-get install and it showed up that it needed to install so that was enough. ;) |
| 20:33.26 | confined | LOGFILE=/tmp/highcpu; if ps ax o "pcpu pid ppid lstart comm" --sort=pcpu | egrep '^ *(100|[0789].[0-9])' > "$LOGFILE"; then cat "$LOGFILE" | mail -s 'High CPU found' youraddress@whatever.com; fi |
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| 20:33.38 | Bogus8 | edgy: that is definitely beyond my ability... I don't really do upgrades. |
| 20:33.41 | confined | anything wrong with putting that in a cronjob to run every 5 minutes? |
| 20:34.12 | confined | oh.. fix the regex.. I made it show extra :) |
| 20:34.22 | edgy | Bogus8: don't worry |
| 20:34.27 | confined | LOGFILE=/tmp/highcpu; if ps ax o "pcpu pid ppid lstart comm" --sort=pcpu | egrep '^ *(100|[789][0-9])' > "$LOGFILE"; then cat "$LOGFILE" | mail -s 'High CPU found' youraddress@whatever.com; fi |
| 20:34.37 | jagginess | confined, /tmp is kinda dumb to store log files.. dunno why you chose this place instead of /var/log/apath/logfile.log |
| 20:35.03 | yoshio | Resilience: you said you had lots of files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d - did you have deborphan in there? if so, you can try removing the deborphan package, and see if the ncurses aptitude removes stuff on installing a package. |
| 20:35.04 | confined | because it's a temporary file |
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| 20:35.24 | confined | not a log |
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| 20:35.54 | innociv | confined, but how does that help when I can't run it when it's using up all the cpu? |
| 20:36.16 | confined | it'll be running on its own and hopefully catch the high cpu load before something happens |
| 20:37.05 | jagginess | confined, doesnt hurt to >> append, (what if the mail command fails?) |
| 20:37.06 | confined | also, can't you set max cpu usage somehow ? .. can't think of how.. ulimit doesn't seem to say anything about that |
| 20:37.37 | innociv | Is there no way to way to make sshd run on core2?... |
| 20:37.38 | confined | logging isn't a dumb idea |
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| 20:38.28 | confined | innociv, not sure.. did you look into the ssh timeout issue too? |
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| 20:40.30 | confined | the 100% cpu usage is just one process, innociv? |
| 20:40.31 | innociv | You think ssh timeout is too short? |
| 20:40.36 | innociv | But I can't open new ssh sessions eithe |
| 20:40.36 | innociv | r |
| 20:40.42 | innociv | I don't know. I want to know that so badly |
| 20:41.07 | confined | so you don't know what's actually gobbling the cpu? or haven't seen it? |
| 20:41.27 | confined | that's why you run a logging thing like this.. or have some tcpdump analysis in screen |
| 20:41.28 | innociv | Correct, since I can't top to look when it's being used up |
| 20:41.43 | innociv | I doubt tcpdump will say much as network usage is low |
| 20:41.48 | innociv | Only using mass cpu |
| 20:42.04 | innociv | Is there no way to make sshd run on core2?... |
| 20:42.07 | edgy | yoshio: when are the scripts you put in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d executed? |
| 20:42.12 | innociv | Only core1 is being used up |
| 20:42.22 | confined | I believe a new process will go to the lower cpu |
| 20:42.27 | confined | lower usage |
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| 20:42.53 | confined | but if sshd is running itself, it may be on 1. I'm not sure offhand how to see what core a process is on |
| 20:43.05 | confined | you could try to run sshd through inetd instead of standalone |
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| 20:43.24 | innociv | Run sshd through inetd? |
| 20:43.29 | confined | not sure if that'll help or not |
| 20:43.40 | confined | often sshd is its own server, waiting for connections |
| 20:43.52 | yoshio | edgy: presumably when you do an install/remove, maybe even update |
| 20:44.28 | confined | I *think* you can set it up in (x)inetd so that's listening and spawns off the sshd child instead of the sshd standalone server listening on your ssh port |
| 20:44.30 | edgy | yoshio: and I guess the number like 02perioidic just indicates the order or priority, right? |
| 20:44.42 | confined | but it's still either sshd or inetd listening and spawning |
| 20:44.48 | yoshio | edgy: I think so |
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| 20:45.28 | jelly-home | innociv: the kernel cpu scheduler will put sshd on the more idle cpu unless you've explicitely bound it to a specific code in advance |
| 20:45.35 | confined | if it's just core0 .. hm.. maybe you want to re-start sshd with something gobbling up core0 .. fake it .. or find out how to deliberately run a process on a particular core |
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| 20:46.00 | jelly-home | specific core* |
| 20:46.19 | confined | http://ocaoimh.ie/2009/07/06/run-a-program-on-one-cpu-core-in-linux/ |
| 20:46.20 | jelly-home | there's no need to do that if only one core is hogged |
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| 20:46.35 | edgy | yoshio: I tired to execuse /etc/cron.daily/apt by running it maually it takes a looong time, I want to know what that scripts do and which files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d it reads, do you have an idea how to do that simply |
| 20:47.14 | innociv | jelly, then how come when I try to open a new ssh connection, I can't get in? |
| 20:47.23 | innociv | when only one cpu core seems to be maxed out |
| 20:47.30 | roboman2444 | how do i correctly install java7... |
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| 20:47.34 | confined | interesting.. you can set a running process's cpu affinity? |
| 20:47.42 | roboman2444 | i installed the packages, but java -version or whatever still shows as 6 |
| 20:48.14 | VampsDaBeast | anyone have an idea why the partitioning package would stall at 50% during base install from a usb? |
| 20:48.41 | jelly-home | innociv: how do you know it's only one core that gets maxed out? |
| 20:48.58 | innociv | Well, the cpu monitor on Amazon says 50% |
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| 20:49.18 | jelly-home | innociv: oh, it's a vm? |
| 20:49.33 | innociv | Yeah |
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| 20:49.40 | jelly-home | who know what amazon tracks and how it really looks like inside the vm |
| 20:50.00 | jagginess | roboman2444, you'll want to install jdk, it includes the jre+plugin |
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| 20:50.17 | roboman2444 | still on 1.6 though |
| 20:50.38 | edgy | yoshio: I see now there is a command sleep $TIME in the /etc/cron.daily/apt do you have any idea what's that? |
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| 20:51.02 | jagginess | roboman2444, but you're not ready to program java.. you'll have to learn emacs properly before considering using the jdee plugin |
| 20:51.10 | jelly-home | ,versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 20:51.12 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7~u3-2.1.1-1; wheezy: 7~u3-2.1.1-1 |
| 20:51.18 | yoshio | edgy: man sleep |
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| 20:51.52 | edgy | yoshio: I know what sleep do, but why that script wants to sleep for 30min is my question |
| 20:52.07 | confined | because it's been working hard |
| 20:52.16 | jagginess | edgy, because the computer gets tired |
| 20:52.18 | edgy | confined: haha |
| 20:52.48 | confined | I guess it depends on where the sleep is and what it did before/after the sleep |
| 20:53.14 | edgy | confined: can you please take a look on that file |
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| 20:53.24 | jagginess | edgy, the computer is like a horse, when it runs alot, eventually it's going to want to take a break to protect itself |
| 20:53.35 | confined | it says why in my script: # sleep random amount of time to avoid hitting the mirrors at the same time |
| 20:53.48 | confined | like a horse.. heh |
| 20:53.59 | edgy | jagginess: not my computer, I just called MSI and they told me yours is special |
| 20:54.01 | confined | does anyone know why my computer is thirsty and covered with a sweaty foam? |
| 20:54.15 | confined | I miss horses |
| 20:54.36 | confined | one of the horses I used to know is trying to keep in touch on facebook |
| 20:54.51 | VampsDaBeast | does any know why the debian squeeze 6.0.5 installer would stall out at 50% during partitioning/scan disks? |
| 20:55.02 | jagginess | edgy, msi you say.. that sounds like microsoft's install shield.. whatta do? |
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| 20:55.09 | yoshio | edgy: maybe to prevent multiple users all over the world to hit mirrors at the same time. otherwise, I don't know |
| 20:55.22 | edgy | jagginess: exactly |
| 20:55.37 | confined | vamps, ew.. no. I'm no expert in these things but can you go to another terminal to examine error messages? alt+F2 or higher? |
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| 20:56.16 | VampsDaBeast | confined, i can break to a terminal but i seen no error |
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| 20:56.52 | confined | not necessarily break, but I think debian keeps its processes outputting to a text console somewhere |
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| 20:57.01 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, maybe squeeze cant squeeze itself into the drive.. or maybe you went ctrl-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 20:57.06 | VampsDaBeast | the deb installer is on a 4 gb usb drive, |
| 20:57.07 | confined | if you're in a GUI you might have to hit alt+shift+f2 |
| 20:57.28 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, how did you make the installer? |
| 20:57.36 | confined | to get to one of the text terminals.. then you can freely alt+fkey between them to look for one where processes are outputting.. IF they continue to do that.. I'm really not sure. |
| 20:57.45 | VampsDaBeast | thru windows universal usb installer |
| 20:57.51 | VampsDaBeast | pendrivelinux |
| 20:57.55 | edgy | yoshio: sh /etc/cron.daily/apt gives permission denied though I am root, how can I tell what |
| 20:58.02 | edgy | yoshio: is wrong |
| 20:58.20 | confined | edgy, what's wrong? |
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| 20:58.29 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, debian6+ ,, you can make the usb like this-> cat <debian.iso> > /dev/<usbdrive> (usb drive eg: /dev/sda .. dont use this, this is an example ) |
| 20:58.39 | edgy | confined: I am getting permission denied when I try to sh /etc/cron.dailyapt |
| 20:58.42 | edgy | confined: I am getting permission denied when I try to sh /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 20:58.43 | makeio | hi! |
| 20:58.45 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, no special usb maker needed... |
| 20:59.04 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, may be usb maker tool screwed something up.. (and if you use that cat command, it wipes out everything on the usb) |
| 20:59.05 | VampsDaBeast | full path for iso? |
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| 20:59.20 | makeio | what's the differnece between put at sources.list stable or squeeze?? |
| 20:59.43 | confined | mine's got the executable bit set |
| 20:59.47 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, cat /home/myuser/whereever/debianfile.iso > /dev/sda (don't use this, this is just an example) |
| 21:00.01 | confined | what are the file's perms, edgy? |
| 21:00.09 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, btw |
| 21:00.19 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, yes? |
| 21:00.20 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, if you need to do it under windows there's a tool for there too |
| 21:00.23 | yoshio | makeio: either way, but when wheezy becomes stable, you'll be very surprised to have lots of updates, stick with the code names (squeeze) |
| 21:00.28 | edgy | confined: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15399 Apr 20 13:21 /etc/cron.daily/apt |
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| 21:00.46 | confined | and head -1 /etc/cron.daily/apt says? |
| 21:00.56 | yoshio | edgy is it 755? |
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| 21:01.08 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, maybe i will copy the deb.iso to the Documents folder to simplify the path. |
| 21:01.11 | edgy | yoshio: yes |
| 21:01.38 | edgy | confined: $ head -1 /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 21:01.38 | edgy | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:01.40 | makeio | yoshio, thanks |
| 21:01.47 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, you using mswindows or linux currently? |
| 21:01.59 | VampsDaBeast | ubuntu current |
| 21:02.38 | confined | and you just get a plain ol' "Permission denied" error when you type: sh /etc/cron.daily/apt ? |
| 21:03.15 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, just long enuf to get deb as the primary |
| 21:03.47 | yoshio | edgy: you can do MAILTO=edgy@somewhere.com (or just edgy) to send you the output. "set -x" will print every statement before executing it http://aymanh.com/how-debug-bash-scripts |
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| 21:04.02 | confined | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 199.6.12.70 80] |
| 21:04.03 | yoshio | edgy: the MAILTO thing is in the cron man page |
| 21:04.05 | curveater | A little musical break: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfVz17wSUD4&feature=youtu.be or www.myspace.com/4smartfeminity |
| 21:04.11 | confined | why am I getting that when trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 21:05.47 | yoshio | confined: I have: deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib and deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib -- do you have a typo? |
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| 21:07.31 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, would /media/PENDRIVE work? |
| 21:08.11 | confined | hmm.. quite likely something like that yeah |
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| 21:09.07 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, you have the iso? |
| 21:09.25 | jagginess | confined, ,/that// |
| 21:09.29 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, yes.. currently sittin in my documents folder |
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| 21:09.47 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, mount<enter> says what? (use pastebin) |
| 21:10.15 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, also give me the output of-> fdisk -l <enter> (use another pastebin) |
| 21:10.27 | VampsDaBeast | sure.. one min |
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| 21:11.27 | VampsDaBeast | http://pastebin.com/grnWwVwz |
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| 21:12.08 | VampsDaBeast | no output on fdisk |
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| 21:12.33 | VampsDaBeast | not sure why though.. it should output |
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| 21:14.25 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, would df -h help |
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| 21:15.34 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, http://pastebin.com/mVkrErVS |
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| 21:17.25 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, what does fdisk -l /dev/sdd <enter> say? |
| 21:17.40 | yoshio | edgy: did you check /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades - what are the symptoms of the original problem? |
| 21:18.08 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, Cannot open /dev/sdd |
| 21:18.15 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, try with sudo |
| 21:18.27 | VampsDaBeast | i get auth failed when i sudo |
| 21:18.32 | jagginess | sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
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| 21:19.16 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, /dev/sdd1 * 8064 7831551 3911744 b W95 FAT32 |
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| 21:19.30 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, so just that 1 line? |
| 21:19.43 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, let me paste bin |
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| 21:20.27 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, http://pastebin.com/Qimg6A1c |
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| 21:21.53 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, /dev/sdd1 must be your debian installer you tried.. you can unmount that with-> unmount /dev/sdd1 (use sudo if needed) |
| 21:22.07 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, and then "mount <enter>" to check if it has been unmounted |
| 21:22.33 | yoshio | edgy: type "sh -x /etc/cron.daily/apt", where does it fail? |
| 21:22.48 | VampsDaBeast | unmounted |
| 21:22.53 | jagginess | ,/umount/unmount |
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| 21:23.07 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, where's the path to the iso? (with iso filename) |
| 21:23.29 | jagginess | btw, how did you unmount /dev/sdd1 ? |
| 21:23.32 | jagginess | (exactly) |
| 21:24.08 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, /home/richie/Documents/debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso and umount |
| 21:24.27 | VampsDaBeast | exactly umount /dev/sdd |
| 21:24.37 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, did you have to use sudo or are you using the superuser accont? |
| 21:24.38 | VampsDaBeast | err umount /dev/sdd1 |
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| 21:24.56 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, no need for sudo and not super |
| 21:25.15 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, login as the superuser for this.. ->su -l<enter> |
| 21:25.55 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, then-> "cat /home/richie/Documents/debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdd" <enter> (dont type quotes of course :) |
| 21:26.05 | VampsDaBeast | what's the cmd for password for SUPER change |
| 21:26.13 | VampsDaBeast | passwd -r? |
| 21:26.28 | yoshio | passwd root |
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| 21:26.45 | VampsDaBeast | yoshio, thanks |
| 21:26.55 | yoshio | passwd by itself should work if you're root |
| 21:27.25 | VampsDaBeast | yea..i'm wanting to change root pw not my user |
| 21:28.28 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, are able to use sudo? |
| 21:28.44 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess, let me try |
| 21:28.54 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, did you get my pm? |
| 21:29.15 | VampsDaBeast | yes i did.. let me check ti |
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| 21:30.43 | yoshio | VampsDaBeast: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo |
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| 21:34.59 | ompaul | VampsDaBeast: su - and then passwd |
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| 21:46.52 | djdduty_ | hello, I am trying to install these packages and I am getting errors, I am thinking it is related to me having backports 3.2 kernel, but not sure anyone have any idea? |
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| 21:47.54 | innociv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.09 | innociv | Looks like a malicious process is using my cpu |
| 21:48.48 | yoshio | innociv: I have a ksoftirqd/0 process on squeeze |
| 21:48.51 | innociv | That's the last I saw before being locked out of ssh. I had top running |
| 21:49.04 | innociv | "From the man page, ksoftirqd is a per-cpu kernel thread that runs when the machine is under heavy soft-interrupt load." |
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| 21:50.04 | yoshio | djdduty_: what packages |
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| 21:50.23 | innociv | So far that's my only clue to how this attack is making my cpu get maxed out and I'm locked from ssh |
| 21:50.38 | djdduty_ | yoshio: bullet libboost-all-dev libogre-dev libois-dev |
| 21:52.15 | yoshio | djdduty: what is the error msg? |
| 21:52.24 | innociv | How can I log what is using all the cpu? |
| 21:52.29 | innociv | As I'm locked out from ssh and unable to view top |
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| 21:52.46 | djdduty_ | Failed to fetch http://mirror.rit.edu/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry non/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 21:56.11 | djdduty_ | yoshio: ^ |
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| 21:56.28 | djdduty_ | synaptic package manager is working fine |
| 21:56.45 | djdduty_ | but I cannot find bullet in there |
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| 21:57.25 | yoshio | ,v bullet |
| 21:57.26 | judd | No package named 'bullet' was found in i386. |
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| 21:59.07 | yoshio | djdduty_: in squeeze: libbulletml-dev - C++ library to handle BulletML easily - de |
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| 21:59.57 | yoshio | djdduty_: I added rit.edu to my sources.list, it works fine, so try again |
| 22:00.44 | yoshio | ,f libbulletml |
| 22:01.00 | yoshio | ,v libbulletml-dev |
| 22:01.01 | judd | Package: libbulletml-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.0.6-3; squeeze: 0.0.6-4; sid: 0.0.6-5; wheezy: 0.0.6-5 |
| 22:01.15 | djdduty_ | to handle bulletml - bullet markup language. |
| 22:01.53 | innociv | Anyone? I need help so bad. Someone is ddos'ing my system. It's hardly using any network, but is maxing out my cpu to where I'm locked out of ssh and thus can't see what process is using all the cpu |
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| 22:03.44 | pparadis | innociv: can you access your system via remote console? |
| 22:03.50 | pparadis | (not ssh, actual remote console) |
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| 22:03.57 | innociv | I'm not sure what that is |
| 22:04.20 | pparadis | it's an out of band means of accessing a server through either a physical or virtual serial console, as if you were sitting at a keyboard connected to it. |
| 22:04.31 | pparadis | various VPS providers offer this, as do many dedicated server providers. |
| 22:04.43 | pparadis | who is your hosting provider? |
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| 22:05.32 | innociv | Amazon |
| 22:05.49 | djdduty_ | yoshio: still not working |
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| 22:06.25 | innociv | They have a java ssh console which I also get locked out from |
| 22:06.39 | pparadis | right, that's the same as your normal ssh. |
| 22:06.45 | yoshio | innociv: if your remote sys has two nics, you can access the system from the inside network address |
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| 22:07.30 | pparadis | yeah, i don't believe amazon has ever offered console access to their stuff. yoshio's suggestion is a good one, if it applies to you. |
| 22:07.42 | pparadis | actually, never mind, that likely won't work either. |
| 22:07.57 | innociv | I'm not sure what that means. There is a private IP, but I don't think I can connect via that |
| 22:07.58 | pparadis | what you're experiencing is almost certainly something hammering on sshd. |
| 22:08.18 | yoshio | innociv: bring up a second instance, and connect to the first's by the first's inside address |
| 22:08.26 | pparadis | yoshio: that almost certainly won't work for him. |
| 22:08.44 | innociv | I have a connlimit and hashlimit on connections to ssh, but I'll block all but my IP to it.. |
| 22:08.46 | pparadis | innociv: can you please pastebin what you're seeing when you try to connect to your instance via ssh. |
| 22:08.51 | innociv | Times out |
| 22:08.54 | innociv | That's it |
| 22:09.11 | pparadis | are you trying to hit it via DNS or by IP? is this possibly a DNS issue instead of what you think it is? |
| 22:09.19 | pparadis | what's the IP you're trying to access? |
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| 22:09.36 | pparadis | (and no, IP addresses are not private information, telling us what it is will only help troubleshooting) |
| 22:09.38 | innociv | well right now i can. I took the ip off to look at something |
| 22:09.42 | innociv | And by ip |
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| 22:10.16 | pparadis | on a side note, what sort of services are you hosting on this server? |
| 22:10.40 | pparadis | would it be possible to just spin up a new instance and move your stuff to it? |
| 22:10.58 | pparadis | wait, what does "took the IP off" mean? |
| 22:11.55 | yoshio | innociv: maybe do ssh ec2-user@IP "service apache2 stop" if you think it's apache that's being dos'd |
| 22:12.00 | pparadis | are you saying you deconfigured the server's IP address, as in removed it from the server's network interfaces? if so, that would make it rather difficult to access the server. |
| 22:12.20 | innociv | It's nginx that I use, but i'd like to know instead of guess. |
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| 22:12.28 | innociv | pparadis, you can attach and detach ips to a server |
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| 22:13.07 | pparadis | yes, i'm aware, but if it doesn't have an IP attached presently, he can't accesss it by IP. i know it sounds like a crazy question, but i have to ask since i've seen people do that and then ask why they can't ssh to their server any more. |
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| 22:13.21 | pparadis | (yes, people really have done that) |
| 22:13.27 | innociv | "-A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s myip --dport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 22:13.27 | innociv | ; -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP" Do those two lines look right to only allow my ip? |
| 22:13.37 | innociv | No, I didn't do that. |
| 22:13.48 | pparadis | did this all start after you started playing with iptables rules? |
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| 22:14.00 | innociv | No |
| 22:14.10 | innociv | It happens when amazon says my cpu usage is 50% or 100% |
| 22:14.10 | pparadis | also, please tell us that actual IP instead of "myip" |
| 22:14.13 | pparadis | as i said before. |
| 22:14.21 | innociv | I will tell you once i put it back to that ip and it's attacked again |
| 22:14.43 | pparadis | does the server actually have an IP address configured right now? |
| 22:14.44 | pparadis | wait a second |
| 22:14.53 | innociv | Yes, but I changed it from the one that was attacked |
| 22:15.00 | innociv | So I can get into ssh. I'll swap back in a moment |
| 22:15.15 | pparadis | is that the total of your iptables rules? |
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| 22:15.49 | innociv | No |
| 22:15.50 | innociv | moment |
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| 22:17.46 | innociv | http://pastie.org/4302601 |
| 22:17.57 | innociv | the ssh limit is dedundant there, I know. |
| 22:18.03 | innociv | But I left it there anyway. |
| 22:18.15 | djdduty_ | yoshio: it's the update that is broken |
| 22:18.32 | djdduty_ | not the packages |
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| 22:19.00 | domenico | ciao |
| 22:19.04 | domenico | !list |
| 22:19.04 | dpkg | domenico: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 22:19.19 | innociv | But the problem here is very high cpu usage. |
| 22:19.30 | yoshio | djdduty_: try ftp.us.debian.org in place of mirrors.rit.edu |
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| 22:20.54 | sneex | how do I get mbr to point back to Win7? |
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| 22:21.54 | djdduty_ | yoshio: |
| 22:21.55 | djdduty_ | yoshio: I will after tha packages install |
| 22:21.56 | innociv | Amazon's local ssh thing(is it local?) is called MindTerm I guess. |
| 22:22.03 | innociv | I can't use it when i can't use putty, either |
| 22:22.26 | pparadis | innociv: even with CPU pegged at 100% you should still be able to ssh into the system. i've run distributed computing projects on VMs that kept CPU completely pegged all the time, and did not have any issues using ssh. |
| 22:22.47 | innociv | Yeah, I even have ssh runing at higher priority... |
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| 22:23.02 | innociv | But why would an attack targetting ssh use up 100% cpu? |
| 22:23.11 | innociv | Unless they are getting ssh to disable independantly from that.. |
| 22:23.34 | yoshio | djdduty_: I had no trouble with an update from mirrors.rit.edu . are you going through a proxy? |
| 22:23.41 | pparadis | i'm curious why you have stuff in those iptables rules that appears to be intended to limit ssh activity if you're only allowing connections from yourself anyhow. |
| 22:23.57 | innociv | innociv> the ssh limit is dedundant there, I know. <- |
| 22:24.07 | pparadis | ah, gotcha, missed that earlier. |
| 22:24.09 | innociv | I just added that rule and there isn't much point in removing the other. |
| 22:24.14 | innociv | It goes top to bottom anyway |
| 22:24.17 | pparadis | yeah, because it jumps to accept anyhow. |
| 22:24.31 | innociv | It's dropping before there is anything else to accept |
| 22:24.49 | pparadis | the -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED isn't needed there, either. |
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| 22:25.16 | pparadis | if the source IP is you, just jump to ACCEPT, no additional processing needed. |
| 22:25.42 | innociv | Don't even need port either, really. |
| 22:25.46 | pparadis | in fact, i'd say the --dport 22 isn't needed either |
| 22:25.47 | pparadis | haha |
| 22:25.49 | pparadis | yep |
| 22:26.14 | brontosaurusrex | my ffmpeg compiling "tutorial" changed into political debate about why ffmpeg is bad (or good) |
| 22:26.21 | brontosaurusrex | is that normal for crunch forums? |
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| 22:26.30 | pparadis | brontosaurusrex: that's kinda normal for the internet ;) |
| 22:26.34 | brontosaurusrex | tottaly offtopic |
| 22:26.44 | funabashi | which flash plugin do you use for firefox |
| 22:26.53 | pparadis | i don't. |
| 22:27.19 | pparadis | !tell funabashi about flashplayer |
| 22:27.56 | brontosaurusrex | wrong channel ... |
| 22:28.05 | pparadis | innociv: what sort of services are you offering on this system? |
| 22:28.34 | yoshio | djdduty_: maybe try to fsck your disks? or look through /var/lib/apt/lists/* - do the files look corrupted? |
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| 22:29.12 | pparadis | innociv: have you looked at your logs for messages like "ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet"? |
| 22:29.21 | innociv | syslog? |
| 22:29.33 | pparadis | either syslog or your firewall log. |
| 22:29.41 | pparadis | if you're logged that stuff elsewhere, that is. |
| 22:29.45 | pparadis | s/logged/logging/ |
| 22:30.45 | innociv | Well I just restarted and no new attack yet. hopefully it comes soon |
| 22:31.03 | innociv | i have this in cat /proc/interrupts http://pastebin.com/2cU90wkw |
| 22:31.17 | innociv | firewall log for me should go to syslog iirc |
| 22:31.24 | pparadis | nod |
| 22:31.34 | innociv | I have a super high connlimit though. Like 2.5mil |
| 22:31.41 | innociv | Or 250k |
| 22:31.52 | pparadis | can you please check your ip_conntrack limit again? |
| 22:32.06 | pparadis | it's somewhere under /proc/sys/net or /proc/net iirc. |
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| 22:33.03 | innociv | sys/net/something.. |
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| 22:33.53 | innociv | 65536 |
| 22:34.04 | pparadis | you probably want to increase that. |
| 22:34.44 | innociv | sysctl -w net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max=255000 or what? |
| 22:35.00 | pparadis | that looks right, try it and see. |
| 22:35.07 | innociv | yeah |
| 22:35.26 | pparadis | (and keep in mind that it gets reset on reboot, so you'll want to make sure that value gets reapplied after reboots) |
| 22:36.06 | innociv | Wait really? |
| 22:36.16 | pparadis | the bigger problem here is that if something wants to D[D]oS your services, they will find a way to do it regardless. what sort of stuff are you serving on this system? |
| 22:36.24 | pparadis | set, that gets reset at reboot. |
| 22:36.30 | pparadis | s/set,/yes,/ |
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| 22:37.06 | innociv | nginx, node.js |
| 22:37.17 | pparadis | innociv: you can throw an entry for it in /etc/sysctl.conf or just toss the command in /etc/rc.local |
| 22:37.29 | pparadis | either way, that will set it to the desired value on boot. |
| 22:37.58 | pparadis | yes, i know you're doing nginx and node.js, i'm asking what kind of stuff you're serving from there to get an idea of why someone would want to whack you :) |
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| 22:38.39 | innociv | Oh, it's an RP site. So yeah, it's something people may always care to attack. |
| 22:38.42 | innociv | People get banned, etc. |
| 22:41.05 | innociv | how do i apply the /etc/sysctl.conf changes without restarting? |
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| 22:41.22 | pparadis | with the command you pasted here earlier. |
| 22:42.05 | innociv | sysctl /etc/sysctl.conf ? or sysctl -w /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 22:42.39 | pparadis | you can just do this: echo 225000 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max |
| 22:42.54 | frostschutz | innociv: sysctl --help, "load file" |
| 22:43.07 | pparadis | yarly, that'll work too. |
| 22:43.26 | innociv | Thanks |
| 22:43.27 | pparadis | i just echo stuff to the desired location usually :) |
| 22:44.07 | pparadis | so it is saved in your /etc/sysctl.conf now, right? |
| 22:45.55 | pparadis | if you're curious, you might wish to use tcpdump or tcpstat on a temporary basis to log stats on connections per second hitting your server. just run that in the background logging to a file, and at least you might get an idea of whether it's just one IP whacking your server periodically. |
| 22:46.27 | pparadis | if it is, there's a chance it's some kid with a VPS or actually sitting on his home connection doing it. you can at least file an abuse report on it; it may not do any good, but it won't hurt to give it a shot. |
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| 22:46.52 | pparadis | just note that if you go that route, the provider responsible for the IP will want those logs, or they'll tell you to pack sand. |
| 22:47.13 | gnarface | hey anyone happen to know the ffmpeg or avconv flag to tell it to convert non-square pixels (like from an NTSC 16:9 aspect ratio DVD) into square pixels on transcode, so cheap stupid video players (like the one on my cheap stupid cellphone) will handle it without squishing everyone's head? |
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| 22:49.55 | aidalgol | xbch |
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| 22:50.01 | aidalgol | oops... |
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| 22:52.12 | yoshio | innociv http://www.hashemian.com/blog/2011/08/syn-flood-ddos.htm - maybe try netstat -punta if you can get in, and see if you have lots of half open connections |
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| 22:52.32 | innociv | Yeah, I already did those things. |
| 22:52.36 | innociv | That happened with the big network attacks |
| 22:52.49 | innociv | But this is something using virtually no network that uses all my cpu and locks me out of ssh |
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| 22:57.03 | btr | hi. why isn't there a wheezy package for pidgin-libnotify? http://packages.debian.org/sid/pidgin-libnotify . thanks |
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| 23:01.59 | yoshio | ,v pidgin-libnotify |
| 23:02.00 | judd | Package: pidgin-libnotify on i386 -- lenny: 0.13-2; squeeze: 0.14-4; sid: 0.14-8 |
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| 23:02.14 | themill | ,bug 651056 |
| 23:02.16 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/651056 in pidgin-libnotify (open): «pidgin-libnotify: notifications crash or restart gnome-shell»; severity: grave; opened: 2011-12-05; last modified: 2011-12-18. |
| 23:02.19 | themill | btr: ^^ |
| 23:02.43 | pparadis | innociv: with network attacks, it's sometimes less about the traffic volume and more about the number of connections per second. |
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| 23:03.07 | innociv | Yeah, I have hashlimit and connection limit |
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| 23:05.36 | btr | lol.. i don't use gnome-shell.. great |
| 23:05.39 | btr | thanks :) |
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| 23:07.45 | Ariii | Hi! |
| 23:08.07 | Brustofski-Fan | whats the better package manager apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 23:08.19 | gnarface | hi Ariii |
| 23:08.26 | innociv | Okay, pparadis looks like it's doing it agian |
| 23:08.37 | gnarface | Brustofski-Fan: its a matter of opinion. aptitude came second. |
| 23:09.28 | Ariii | Brustofski-Fan: They're mostly alike, though I don't like how aptitude displays everything in the same line. |
| 23:09.48 | Brustofski-Fan | gnarface: i know that.. i read that aptitude can handle things better |
| 23:10.10 | gnarface | Brustofski-Fan: the idea behind aptitude is primarily that it is supposed to try to resolve conflicts on its own a bit. apt-get will basically just give up at the first sign of adversity. |
| 23:11.00 | gnarface | Brustofski-Fan: personally i have little need for it though i've tried it in desperation once or twice generally i use apt-get because i had already figured out how to resolve conflicts more reliably on my own by the time aptitude was created |
| 23:11.29 | gnarface | Brustofski-Fan: (it helps to not cause conflicts in the first place) |
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| 23:13.16 | Brustofski-Fan | gnarface: Some times the distro can cause them... But i noticed aptitude does solve better... When needed.. But there both the same in speed wise of installing packages right |
| 23:13.56 | gnarface | Brustofski-Fan: i would imagine yea once it starts downloading the packages from there its pretty much the same as apt-get. i could be wrong though |
| 23:14.36 | Phiscribe | aptitude is better when you got scrwed up packages |
| 23:15.03 | Brustofski-Fan | Right now im in mint 13... asked that ? in there... why would someone tell me to check wedmin secuirty |
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| 23:19.14 | Ariii | Oh, I'm giving my 1 GHz Aluminum PowerBook G4 to my little sister, and Mac OS X 10.5.8 is not running well with 512 MB RAM, and she thinks it's too expensive to upgrade to 2 GB. She also knows nearly nothing about technology. Should I stick with Leopard or use Debian? |
| 23:19.53 | Ariii | Also, I can't afford an actual copy of Mac OS X 10.5.8, and I got the PowerBook used for $65 off eBay. |
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| 23:20.16 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 23:20.49 | johnfg | I've got trouble with the evolution on my debian squeeze, 32 bit. |
| 23:20.49 | Ariii | johnfg: Hi! |
| 23:21.04 | johnfg | Any known problems in installing the latest from backports on my squeeze machine? |
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| 23:24.12 | edgy | yoshio: sorry I was away, are you still here? |
| 23:24.29 | yoshio | edgy: yes |
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| 23:25.12 | yoshio | johnfg: install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs to find out |
| 23:25.21 | abrotman | johnfg: is there a backport for evolution for squeeze? |
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| 23:26.00 | yoshio | ,v evolution |
| 23:26.01 | judd | Package: evolution on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.30.3-5; sid: 3.4.3-1; wheezy: 3.4.3-1 |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | thought not |
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| 23:26.27 | johnfg | abrotman, Looks like it, but I'm gonna install what yoshio recommended. |
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| 23:26.44 | abrotman | there isn't a backport |
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| 23:26.54 | peterrooney | Ariii: if licensing costs are an issue, debian is one solution. also, /join #debianppc because debian on powepc is rarely straightforward to set up, and laptops are their own special brand of hell. that said, I have an ibook running debian. |
| 23:26.55 | edgy | yoshio: sh -x is great, I didn't know that let me try it |
| 23:27.45 | johnfg | Right, I misunderstood this: Package libreoffice-evolution, which is only evolution addressbook support for libreoffice. |
| 23:28.20 | johnfg | Want me to post my problem again and see if anyone has a solution, since backport not available? |
| 23:28.27 | yoshio | johnfg: install apt-show-versions also - "apt-show-versions -a evolution" shows me whats in experimental/unstable (because I have unstable and experimental in my sources.list) |
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| 23:29.11 | Ariii | peterrooney: I think I have enough experience to set it up (I got it running on an iBook clamshell and was able to correct most problems) but I didn't want to risk losing OS X. |
| 23:29.40 | johnfg | yoshio, I've got backports, but not unstable and experimental. For abrotman too, you think that one of them would install on squeeze? |
| 23:30.04 | edgy | yoshio: let me explain my problem in more details, there is a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades , I edited added to the first lines |
| 23:30.27 | edgy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.27 | edgy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.59 | edgy | yoshio: so I want every update from /etc/apt/sources.lst including the virtualmin repo |
| 23:31.23 | abrotman | johnfg: there is NO backport for evolution for squeeze |
| 23:31.30 | abrotman | johnfg: i can tell you that four more times |
| 23:32.07 | edgy | yoshio: the I followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/automatic-updates.html |
| 23:32.15 | johnfg | K., I got it. Did you see my problem, that I posted yesterday? |
| 23:33.03 | edgy | yoshio: now I ran the apt script many times but still it didn't install the updates from virutalmin because if I do apt-get dist-upgrade it's telling me there is an update. I don't know whether it works for the others because there is nothing to test with now |
| 23:33.45 | djdduty_ | hmm, why does cmake tell me there is no library named sfml? |
| 23:34.03 | djdduty_ | wait, wrong channel |
| 23:34.22 | abrotman | johnfg: did i respond yesterday? :) |
| 23:34.38 | djdduty_ | I mean |
| 23:34.45 | djdduty_ | no library named xrandr |
| 23:34.50 | djdduty_ | xrandr isn't a library? |
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| 23:35.03 | edgy | yoshio: and this is Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) |
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| 23:37.07 | yoshio | djdduty_: aptitude search xrandr -- shows libxrandr-dev (you need this if you are compiling against it) |
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| 23:38.04 | djdduty_ | yoshio: oh, thanks |
| 23:38.11 | edgy | yoshio: is my problem clear to you now? |
| 23:38.32 | djdduty_ | yoshio: and, I cannot get > 2.8.2 cmake in the repos, anyway else to get it? |
| 23:38.42 | yoshio | ,v cmake |
| 23:38.43 | judd | Package: cmake on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.0-6; squeeze: 2.8.2+dfsg.1-0+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.8.7-4~bpo60+1; sid: 2.8.9~rc1-1; wheezy: 2.8.9~rc1-1 |
| 23:39.27 | yoshio | djdduty_: are you running squeeze? if so, use squeeze-backports |
| 23:39.37 | djdduty_ | ah, ok thanks |
| 23:39.50 | djdduty_ | I have bpo kernel 3.2 :) |
| 23:39.51 | yoshio | edgy: whre is the repo for virtualmin? |
| 23:40.15 | edgy | yoshio: deb http://software.virtualmin.com/gpl/debian/ virtualmin-squeeze main |
| 23:40.15 | edgy | deb http://software.virtualmin.com/gpl/debian/ virtualmin-universal main |
| 23:40.48 | edgy | yoshio: I will really appreciate it if you would try it yourself |
| 23:41.56 | WebDawg | I setup a bridge in debian using the bridge guide and I cannot contact the static ip set on eth0 or the new bridge interface. |
| 23:42.47 | WebDawg | If I log into the box the ips are there. |
| 23:43.02 | yoshio | djdduty_: did you try "aptitude search sfml" - maybe you want one of the -dev packages |
| 23:43.28 | yoshio | edgy: hold on, let me try that repo |
| 23:43.42 | edgy | yoshio: thanks |
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| 23:47.04 | djdduty_ | and how do I obtain bullet, do I have to get it and compile myself? I don't see a package for it. |
| 23:47.26 | abrotman | or you could create a package for it |
| 23:51.18 | yoshio | edgy: when you do an aptitude update, does it complain about not having a gpg key? |
| 23:51.43 | edgy | yoshio: no |
| 23:53.09 | edgy | yoshio: I install it by running this script http://software.virtualmin.com/gpl/scripts/install.sh and it automatically adds the repos and the keys |
| 23:55.04 | WebDawg | I am on debian and guides are telling me not to assign an ip addy on eth0. Bridge interfaces are fine. Can anyone tell me why? |
| 23:55.22 | WebDawg | I am trying to create a bridge. |
| 23:55.36 | WebDawg | If I set eth0 to have an ip the bridges do not work. |
| 23:55.42 | pparadis | WebDawg: the IP gets assigned to br0 |
| 23:56.00 | pparadis | what are you trying to do, set up a virtualization environment? |
| 23:57.19 | WebDawg | pparadis, but why can I not have a bridge and still keep my eth0. |
| 23:57.27 | WebDawg | Yes. pparadis. |
| 23:57.28 | pparadis | eth0 gets bridged. |
| 23:57.39 | pparadis | WebDawg: are you trying to set up a virtualization environment based on KVM? |
| 23:57.45 | WebDawg | pparadis, no xen. |
| 23:58.00 | pparadis | either way, VMs will communicate over the bridge, and eth0 needs to be assigned to it. |
| 23:58.09 | pparadis | set a moment. |
| 23:58.10 | WebDawg | I am using /etc/network/interfaces. If I want multiple bridge interfaces I can just keep bridgeing to eth0 right? |
| 23:58.13 | pparadis | just a moment, rather. |
| 23:58.15 | *** join/#debian blackshirt (~blackshir@112.215.44.255) |
| 23:59.10 | *** join/#debian aBound (~Diazo@cpe-76-169-9-64.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:59.18 | WebDawg | I just tested pparadis it looks like that is how I do it. |
| 23:59.26 | *** part/#debian aBound (~Diazo@cpe-76-169-9-64.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:59.30 | pparadis | WebDawg: just a second. |
| 23:59.35 | pparadis | i'm prepping something for you. |