| 00:00.32 | killsto | ok, that's what I thought. I didn't know abouth the wheezy in the sources.list |
| 00:00.36 | stew | so when it is released, it doesn't become "less frozen" it becomes "more frozen" |
| 00:00.56 | silverarrow | so, anyone filed a bugreport on it then? |
| 00:01.24 | stew | silverarrow: bug report on what? |
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| 00:01.40 | Mardus | stew: Yea, I haven't been using Debian for a long while. I don't remember having problems with a modern (6-series) Knoppix release with Flash and YouTube. Then again, the 6-series Knoppix is not much based on Debian, IIRC. |
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| 00:03.07 | Mephisto | isn't Knoppix just a liveOS? |
| 00:03.18 | silverarrow | on broken flash |
| 00:03.26 | Mardus | I was assuming that if Flash worked in Knoppix (actually installed it from Adobe), then Debian wouldn't have issues with it. |
| 00:03.29 | killsto | yeah. But the testing repos become unfrozen. Another question, does wheezy have wpa support upon installation? I coudln't install squeeze on my server (which happens to be a laptop) because it only let me select wep |
| 00:03.34 | themill | silverarrow: feel free to write to Adobe and tell them. |
| 00:03.53 | stew | silverarrow: well flash isn't in debian, so there isn't a place to report it there. i don't know if adobe has a public bug tracker, but I doubt it |
| 00:04.11 | stew | silverarrow: adobe has made it pretty clear that they don't care about linux |
| 00:04.29 | Mardus | Mephisto: Knoppix is both live and non-live. Klaus Knopper chose a different distribution for the 6.x branch, so it's not based on Debian anymore : ( |
| 00:04.50 | stew | with stuff like "never run any version of AIR older than version X. the only version available for linux is X-1" |
| 00:04.58 | silverarrow | stew: rather mean of them |
| 00:05.38 | Mardus | AFAIK, Adobe have older versions of Flash available, too. I don't care about AIR, though. |
| 00:06.07 | stew | older versions, in case you want less stuff to work? |
| 00:06.19 | themill | stew: more exploits work |
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| 00:06.32 | stew | ah, right |
| 00:06.43 | stew | that't the benefit of the older AIR |
| 00:06.47 | Frogec1 | Mardus: i`ll try this tomorow |
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| 00:06.52 | Mardus | stew: That depends. They still maintain Flash 9. |
| 00:07.09 | Mardus | Frogec1: Chances are that I won't be here tomorrow. |
| 00:07.33 | dvs | Uh oh |
| 00:07.34 | Frogec1 | i don`t think i`m gonna be awake as much as it needs to be |
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| 00:08.23 | Mardus | Frogec1: Older versions of flash I don't recommend. |
| 00:08.30 | themill | Frogec1: ignoring people who tell you lots of unrelated information about different operating systems and distributions and just fixing your problem would be much better |
| 00:08.46 | stew | themill: I really don't think his problem is fixable |
| 00:09.06 | Frogec1 | themill: i think i agree with stew |
| 00:09.21 | stew | (from anyone other than adobe, who probably is less concerned that some dude is having trouble watching porn in linux) |
| 00:09.31 | Mephisto | Mardus, thanks for the info |
| 00:09.35 | Frogec1 | like George Carlin said `something is fu**** up over here` |
| 00:09.38 | Mardus | Frogec1: Instead of Flash from repositories, uninstall flash-nonfree, and then download the Flash for Linux from Adobe and into your Iceweasel plugins directory. |
| 00:09.45 | themill | stew: I'm still yet to see something other than "it doesn't work". But maybe I lost it amongst all the noise. |
| 00:10.02 | stew | themill: he's tried flashplugin-nonfree, the one from marillat and gnash |
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| 00:10.05 | Mephisto | Mardus, so.. i can normally install Knoppix? Just like any other distro? Without geeky stuff? |
| 00:11.21 | Mardus | Frogec1: I mean, then download Flash for Linux from Adobe, and then if it's compress, uncomress it, or if it's an executable, execute it from the command-line and specify where to install it (the Iceweasel plugins directory). |
| 00:11.27 | stew | themill: i don't know what else I'd try. recently the only people offering him advice are people that don't even run debian |
| 00:11.46 | Mardus | themill: Frogec1 said that works in YouTube, but not on licentious websites. |
| 00:12.15 | themill | flash videos stopping working after a few seconds is usually sound-system related |
| 00:12.34 | Frogec1 | sometimes even youtube don`t work |
| 00:12.36 | Mardus | Mephisto: Knoppix is usually a live CD, I recommend Ubuntu if you want the non-geeky stuff. |
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| 00:12.59 | Frogec1 | themill: that was in windows XP |
| 00:13.01 | Mardus | stew: lol |
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| 00:13.10 | Mephisto | Mardus, i'm on Debian and happy about it. Just enquired a bit of info on any possible alternative OSs |
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| 00:13.29 | themill | stew: I also wouldn't trust that flashplugin-nonfree were correctly installed and were the flash player the browser was actually using. |
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| 00:13.41 | Mardus | Mephisto: Knoppix used to be based on Debian, but it's a LiveCD, like if you want to try it out or if Windows is so borked that you'd need it to fix something. |
| 00:14.18 | Mardus | Mephisto: If you're happy about Debian, then keep it. |
| 00:14.26 | Mephisto | Mardus, i know what it's for man.. and yeah, i know that it was used to be based on Debian. I was just curious if it's possible to install it as OS |
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| 00:14.35 | Mephisto | Mardus, yep, that's likely what i'll be doing. |
| 00:14.39 | Mardus | Mephisto: Yes, it is. |
| 00:15.35 | Mardus | Mephisto: Because when you run Debian, then you can legitimately get the best Linux advice here :-) |
| 00:15.48 | joulez | cjdavies: man postdrop |
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| 00:16.33 | Mephisto | Mardus, i'm aware of that, thanks) |
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| 00:17.00 | Mardus | Frogec1: If YouTube doesn't work in Firefox in Windows xp, assuming that you're using the latest version both Flash and Firefox, then Adobe recently fudged their Flash so that it crashes Firefox's plugin-container. Downgrade to 11.2, for example. |
| 00:17.26 | Mephisto | Mardus, so far i haven't been having any probs, except that i'm really dissappointed in latest DEs. |
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| 00:17.39 | Frogec1 | themill: i must say that flashplugin-nonfree is installed corectly, i know that because i have had help from a guy who uses ubuntu for 12-13 years |
| 00:17.50 | Mephisto | Mardus, i'm using Gnome 2 as shipped with Squeeze, and i feel like being lucky, but what's coming next freaks the hell outta me.. |
| 00:17.56 | Mardus | Mephisto: DE-s, like development enviornments? |
| 00:17.59 | NutellO | French here ? |
| 00:18.03 | Mardus | err, desktop evironments |
| 00:18.04 | themill | Frogec1: really? time traveller, was he? |
| 00:18.07 | Mephisto | Mardus, no, GUI.. desktop environments |
| 00:18.26 | Mardus | themill: lol |
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| 00:18.28 | Frogec1 | not ubuntu, linux |
| 00:18.32 | Frogec1 | my bad :) |
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| 00:19.53 | Mardus | Mephisto: You can choose another desktop environment, that's the freedom of having Debian. When I ran Debian in 2005-2006 on what at the time was a 6-year-old computer, then I used twm <: |
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| 00:20.17 | dvs | O_O |
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| 00:20.34 | Mephisto | Mardus, that's the problem, i don't like most of them |
| 00:20.46 | Frogec1 | Mardus: i think i`m gonna reinstall OS |
| 00:20.46 | Mephisto | Mardus, the only two DEs that i like are Gnome 2 and KDE3. The rest is like.. aaargh... |
| 00:21.29 | Mephisto | Mardus, KDE3 has been dead for a while although there's that Trinity revival project... as for Gnome 2 it's right on its way to oblivion. |
| 00:21.36 | Frogec1 | but first i`ll buy HDD and RAM |
| 00:21.36 | joulez | give kde4 a break |
| 00:21.40 | Mardus | Mephisto: I don't quite fancy LXDE, for example. |
| 00:21.47 | Mephisto | Mardus, me neither. Same goes for XFCE. |
| 00:21.50 | joulez | i'm really impressed with kde4.8 |
| 00:22.17 | Mardus | Mephisto: XFCE is better than LXDE. Oh, try out the current KDE. |
| 00:22.22 | Mephisto | Mardus, they're all... incomplete, raw... |
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| 00:22.30 | joulez | the most thing i hate about kde is the 'K' |
| 00:22.31 | Mephisto | i know, XFCE is a tiny bit better than LXDE. |
| 00:22.34 | Mephisto | still.. can't use it. |
| 00:22.36 | Mardus | Mephisto: KDE 4 has been maturing. |
| 00:22.54 | peterrooney_ | !start a desktop war |
| 00:22.55 | dpkg | KDE owns you and your dog. |
| 00:23.01 | Mardus | Mephisto: I've been using twm and occasionally IceWM and occasionally KDE 3.x |
| 00:23.04 | Mephisto | now.. as for Gnome 3... i don't even know what to say, but if there was a "the most shitty unix DE ever made" it'd be on very top of the shitlist |
| 00:23.05 | joulez | in earlier debian days i ran mostly windowmaker and e. |
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| 00:23.15 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 00:23.38 | joulez | debian wheezy comes with kde 4.8 |
| 00:23.44 | joulez | points to #debian |
| 00:24.02 | Mephisto | i dunno... i don't like kde4... 4.6 or 4.8.. it's still the same to me |
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| 00:24.18 | Mephisto | kinda slow.. ugly... looks like aero crap in Vista/Win7... |
| 00:24.45 | Mardus | Mephisto: So there you are: you can try out KDE 4.8. Before Windows Vista came out, there was this cool project to test people if they liked Windows Vista... So they put KDE 4.x on a computer and had people look at the "new" "Windows Vista" :> |
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| 00:25.34 | Mephisto | hehe |
| 00:25.35 | Mephisto | ok |
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| 00:27.32 | Mardus | Frogec1: It's superfluous to reinstall a well-installed operating system. You can try switching the user agent or uninstall flasplugin-nonfree, (disable) gnash, and install Flash for Linux from Adobe (this requires a few steps to do). |
| 00:27.52 | joulez | flash works for me. |
| 00:28.04 | joulez | it sux, but it works. |
| 00:28.23 | joulez | oh everyones covered this.. |
| 00:28.36 | Mardus | joulez: Frogec1 complained, that it works on Youtube, but not on licentious websites. I'd hazard a guess that it works on Oglaf. |
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| 00:29.17 | STS-125 | I hope flash will die soon... |
| 00:29.48 | joulez | sadly, it will hang about and rot. |
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| 00:30.02 | Getty | i got a problem which feels like some security system that is active. I made a "normal" install of Debian Desktop Environment, and now i install some stuff inside /opt/, like /opt/skype, where i have /opt/skype/skype, which is executable, and readable and looks clearly like binary ;) but when i wanna start it i just get "No such file or directory" error (also the same effect on firefox and other software i try to install "hard"). Yes i checked ldd, we talk abou |
| 00:30.03 | Getty | t mostly static here |
| 00:30.04 | craigevil | some sites including some facebook crap will give your flash is outdated message , only way to fix it is to run Chrome since it has 11.3 |
| 00:30.05 | Mardus | STS-125: This can happen, because when I used Knoppix 6.7.1 (ok-ok) and Iceweasel on YouTube playing HTML5 video, then I was in total awe. |
| 00:30.40 | craigevil | Getty: why not use the skype .deb it works |
| 00:30.42 | joulez | Getty: add it do your PATH |
| 00:30.42 | Getty | i bet its just some security package which prevents executing that stuff for users, but i dont know which one that could be 8-) damn preselection list |
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| 00:31.08 | Getty | joulez: oh, cause its not in the path security doesnt allow it to start? i mean i call it "directly" (so /opt/skype/skype) |
| 00:31.23 | joulez | nothing to do with security. |
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| 00:31.43 | Getty | then why i cant do: /opt/skype/skype ? |
| 00:31.50 | STS-125 | Mardus, youtube works without flash. but lots of other pages don't :/ |
| 00:31.50 | Getty | that shouldnt be totally not caring with the PATH |
| 00:32.06 | Getty | its btw testing, see that i forgot to mention this, wheezy is testing, right? |
| 00:32.17 | Mardus | STS-125: Yes, sad. |
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| 00:33.10 | joulez | Getty: executing /opt/skype/skype gives what error? |
| 00:33.34 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.03 | Getty | joulez: http://paste.debian.net/179553/ |
| 00:34.09 | Getty | then i dont know |
| 00:34.18 | joulez | craigevil: since when? |
| 00:34.31 | Getty | can we stop talking about PATH? ;) |
| 00:34.40 | joulez | Getty: No such file or directory |
| 00:34.44 | joulez | :) |
| 00:34.52 | Getty | joulez: yes, but you see the ls before? |
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| 00:35.10 | Getty | joulez: and no, those are no shellscripts, its binary |
| 00:35.15 | Mardus | Is Firefox not supposed to be in /opt but somewhere else instead? |
| 00:35.40 | Getty | if the binary is not started at all, i think firefox will not care in that moment where its not loaded |
| 00:35.46 | Getty | so can we come back to the system problem here ;) |
| 00:36.06 | stew | Getty: its not system problem, its a problem with firefox and skype |
| 00:36.11 | craigevil | for firefox see: http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html for skype use the .deb |
| 00:36.14 | stew | Getty: is there a reason you are using firefox instead of iceweasel? |
| 00:36.42 | Getty | stew: aehm, i want firefox not iceweasel |
| 00:36.50 | stew | Getty: iceweasel is firefox |
| 00:36.54 | Getty | stew: i wanna understand what is going on here |
| 00:37.03 | Lars_G_ | What group are DMs in aptitude under? |
| 00:37.05 | stew | Getty: they are trying to open a file that isn't found |
| 00:37.17 | Lars_G_ | section that is |
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| 00:37.27 | Getty | stew: i dislike that my unix doesnt behave like it does since the last decade |
| 00:37.29 | Getty | stew: but its there |
| 00:37.31 | stew | Lars_G_: gnome is in the gnome section, kde is in the kde section... |
| 00:37.31 | Getty | stew: you mean inside them? ok |
| 00:37.37 | Getty | stew: but that is strange, that both go out directly with that |
| 00:37.38 | stew | Getty: what is there? |
| 00:37.41 | Lars_G_ | stew: I get the idea |
| 00:37.49 | Getty | stew: lets take the next software, i just wanna execute some binary finally here |
| 00:37.59 | stew | Getty: which one? |
| 00:38.22 | Getty | ah yes good point is that google-chrome works in /opt ;) but that one was installed via package lol |
| 00:38.27 | Getty | i dont know, i actually really need skype |
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| 00:38.37 | stew | yeah, i relly don't want to help with that one though |
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| 00:39.07 | Getty | the point is that i dont get what the hell is going on, i dont think that firefox AND skype are having the same problem out of random |
| 00:39.28 | stew | its not random |
| 00:39.30 | Getty | thinking about trying to run it on my virtual machine lenny to see if its there running ;) i just wanna understand whats going on.... |
| 00:39.33 | joulez | hmm |
| 00:39.46 | Getty | yeah but what is it? if it would be just one of them, i wouldnt mind, but firefox AND skype? |
| 00:39.50 | joulez | I thought it was a noexe on the mount point, but would it give that error? |
| 00:39.56 | Getty | wait lets strace that stuff ;) |
| 00:39.59 | stew | you install randomly linked non-debian software and it can't find some stuff (probably stuff it is dynamically linked to, or trying to dynamically load) |
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| 00:40.07 | joulez | er noexec |
| 00:40.10 | Getty | stew: yeah as said, ldd checked, both static |
| 00:40.12 | joulez | *shrug* |
| 00:40.20 | stew | joulez: that would be permissions error not file not found |
| 00:40.23 | craigevil | the files have root permission, hence the file not found same thing happens when you try to run a root command as user |
| 00:40.24 | joulez | yeh. |
| 00:40.42 | stew | craigevil: no |
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| 00:41.13 | craigevil | firefox doesnt need any more depends than iceweasel, skype who knows, the .deb works |
| 00:41.16 | joulez | haven't tried it. |
| 00:41.27 | joulez | what permission error would it give? |
| 00:41.38 | joulez | craigevil: is your /opt a seperate partition? |
| 00:41.55 | craigevil | nope i am lazy only one partition |
| 00:42.04 | joulez | oh well i don't know. |
| 00:42.07 | Lars_G_ | stew: If the file is -r for o wouldn't it say file not found for non-owner/group ?? |
| 00:42.22 | stew | Lars_G_: no, it would be permission denied |
| 00:42.30 | stew | EACCESS |
| 00:42.32 | stew | not ENOENT |
| 00:42.35 | Getty | oh i see, actually i think see what disturbed me on the skype package install, i think that works now |
| 00:42.37 | Lars_G_ | hmm ok |
| 00:42.50 | Getty | but i still wanna find out whats wrong with the static binaries |
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| 00:43.59 | Getty | what the hell?.... arghl |
| 00:45.08 | joulez | Getty: well did you get the 64bit binary of firefox? |
| 00:45.16 | joulez | asuming you are running 64bi |
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| 00:50.13 | Getty | hehe yeah that would be easy, no on both cases its actually really missing libs, but i'm 100% sure that i checked yesterday with ldd on the binaries, must have been blind |
| 00:50.26 | Getty | which makes me a bit wild now ;) |
| 00:50.33 | joulez | umm |
| 00:50.57 | Lars_G_ | Getty: Make sure it actually was the binary, firefox comes with a wrapper script that sets things up |
| 00:50.58 | joulez | firefox comes in 64bit |
| 00:51.18 | joulez | nah hes got the 32bit version of firefox, won't work. |
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| 00:51.23 | stew | or just aptitude install iceweasel... |
| 00:51.30 | joulez | wins ESP award of the day. |
| 00:51.38 | Getty | Lars_G_: yeah thats not existing anymore, there have some "run-mozilla.sh" thing in there, but i dont get how this should be used LOL ;) |
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| 00:52.38 | joulez | Getty: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/13.0.1/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-13.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 00:52.41 | joulez | there u go. |
| 00:52.50 | dvs | old |
| 00:53.06 | Getty | joulez: he? |
| 00:53.09 | stew | or just follow the instructions on mozilla.debian.net and aptitude install iceweasel... |
| 00:53.15 | craigevil | nope 14 is the current release |
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| 00:53.30 | joulez | Getty: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/14.0.1/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-14.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 00:53.32 | Getty | joulez: its already solved, i have that |
| 00:53.33 | joulez | there u go. |
| 00:53.45 | Getty | joulez: i never said that i downloaded the wrong stuff or approved that to you ;) |
| 00:53.58 | joulez | aww |
| 00:54.03 | joulez | gives back ESP award. |
| 00:54.20 | craigevil | batteries in crystal ball must be going bad |
| 00:54.29 | joulez | he "no on both cases" ? |
| 00:54.40 | Getty | no, on.. |
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| 00:55.10 | joulez | we have lenny at work and have 13.0.1 in /usr/local/lib and it runs fine. |
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| 00:55.45 | Getty | i dont get what you talk about now ;) |
| 00:55.58 | joulez | Getty: if I d/l the 32bit and it gives me "File or directory not found" i will punch you in the face. |
| 00:56.04 | joulez | :) |
| 00:56.17 | Getty | joulez: why? |
| 00:56.21 | Getty | joulez: you are interpreting around ;) |
| 00:59.11 | Mardus | Getty: Why in the first place would you want to run Firefox instead of Iceweasel, especially if Iceweasel is based on almost exactly the same code as Firefox? |
| 01:00.08 | Lars_G_ | I think joulez was shot with rajadji |
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| 01:00.51 | joulez | i got shot would everything. |
| 01:00.54 | joulez | with |
| 01:00.55 | joulez | ugh |
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| 01:01.22 | craigevil | as long as its not a vaccine you are good |
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| 01:02.35 | joulez | no i got mercuy fillings as a kid, made me a bit insane. |
| 01:02.37 | snarkpit | I've changed my GNOME theme to darklooks, which uses white text on black background. However, no when I open up GNOME Help, it has black text on a black background. So it took the background change but not the text change. I also tried unchecking 'use system fonts' thinking it'd revert to balck text on white background, but no difference. What gives? |
| 01:02.46 | joulez | making me, as it slowly releases over time. |
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| 01:06.03 | Diopter | snarkpit: It's more likely that GNOME Help uses an HTML renderer, possibly xulrunner, which would require a custom CSS theme to override the text colorings |
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| 01:09.04 | snarkpit | Diopter - Definitely makes sense, but then how come I have the same problem when I uncheck the "use system fonts" box? On further inspection, it looks like its only the guides themselves that have this problem. Desktop Guide, Dasher Guide, etc. The main menu seems to use the default Help font (white on black) |
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| 01:09.58 | Diopter | snarkpit: Not sure Why, but I noticed the exact same issue in Firefox. Had to make explicit custom CSS with ! important to override actual webpage content for text color |
| 01:10.01 | Diopter | shrugs |
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| 01:11.04 | snarkpit | Diopter - How hard would it be to go about doing that for a newbie? |
| 01:11.46 | Diopter | snarkpit: There's some guides on it. Google it up, give it a try |
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| 01:12.10 | snarkpit | Diopter Thanks bub. |
| 01:12.26 | Diopter | Yarp |
| 01:12.34 | barhom | I have a curious weirdness in my setup and I have yet to understand why this is happening - I hope somebody can shed some light on this |
| 01:13.08 | Diopter | By jove! A curious weirdness? |
| 01:13.13 | Diopter | Pray tell old man |
| 01:13.18 | barhom | if I run "wget -O /dev/null http://mirror.cogentco.com/pub/linux/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-DVD-4.iso" my download starts at around ~1mb/s and speeds up to 25mb/s (I'm sitting on a 1gbit) |
| 01:13.19 | dvs | gets his magic 8 ball |
| 01:13.43 | barhom | This is on the debian computer that is acting as a router for the computers behind it |
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| 01:13.57 | Diopter | barhom: Sounds like general slow-start TCP behavior with QoS shaping. |
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| 01:14.07 | barhom | I didn't come to the error yet :D |
| 01:14.19 | barhom | that is good behaviour |
| 01:14.20 | Diopter | orite |
| 01:14.33 | barhom | now if I do the exact same thing on a client computer (behind the router) I get speeds of <1mb/s |
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| 01:14.53 | barhom | You'd think there is something wrong with the connection between client-router, right? |
| 01:15.12 | barhom | with "client" I mean another debian system |
| 01:15.14 | Diopter | Or you have some really slow and crazy netfilter shenanigans. |
| 01:15.43 | barhom | so I test wget of a 1000mb file from the router (not the internet) |
| 01:15.50 | barhom | you get speeds of 111mb/s |
| 01:16.18 | Diopter | Fantabulous |
| 01:16.29 | barhom | So the question now is, wait, you think the router can't route faster than 1mb/s because its routing the internet? |
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| 01:17.00 | barhom | so I try another mirror, one which is very close to me, in fact something like 3 hops instead of cogents mirror which is like 15 hops |
| 01:17.09 | Diopter | The internet is not like a truck, barhom. It's a series of tubes. |
| 01:17.30 | barhom | on the other mirror I get 70mb/s on both the router and the client |
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| 01:18.05 | Diopter | barhom: Are you actually routing through your router, or are you NAT'ing? |
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| 01:18.19 | barhom | ahm, Im NAT'ing |
| 01:18.21 | nevyn | does it even matter? |
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| 01:18.41 | barhom | "aim" was for exactly that nevyn ;) |
| 01:18.43 | Diopter | nevyn: Generally not, but I was curious if they Were routing if the client IP block was totally different. |
| 01:18.45 | barhom | *"ahm" |
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| 01:19.01 | Diopter | nevyn: Potentially throttled differently, routed over different upstream peers, blah blah |
| 01:19.19 | barhom | I only have 1 upstream provider and its taking the same route there |
| 01:19.29 | nevyn | but what's the upstream link speed from the router to the ISP? |
| 01:19.35 | barhom | gbit nevyn |
| 01:19.50 | barhom | I think I know "why" though, but I don't know if my hypothesis is any good |
| 01:19.54 | Diopter | barhom: Do tell |
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| 01:20.02 | nevyn | and what do you get from something hosted at the isp? |
| 01:20.06 | barhom | I think it has something to do with TCP-throttling and my managed switches |
| 01:20.35 | barhom | If I take anything that is close to me like 4 hops from me |
| 01:20.42 | barhom | I get the full speed on both router+client |
| 01:21.12 | barhom | however, if I take something further away from me the router is OK on speed but not the client |
| 01:21.13 | nevyn | so contention for your isp's links to other places. would be my guess. |
| 01:21.18 | nevyn | oh.. |
| 01:21.20 | nevyn | that's odd |
| 01:21.24 | barhom | exactly |
| 01:21.34 | nevyn | you're not doing anything stupid like blocking ICMP |
| 01:21.43 | barhom | Why would that matter? |
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| 01:21.47 | barhom | (Im not btw) |
| 01:21.59 | barhom | let me paste bin this for you |
| 01:22.01 | nevyn | path MTU discovery etc |
| 01:22.04 | barhom | its quite funny |
| 01:22.22 | barhom | cuz Im about to bang my head on the wall ;) |
| 01:25.32 | barhom | http://pastebin.com/UAdiB19S < Using a server thats close to me |
| 01:26.08 | barhom | if you take a look there, the router downloads the 1gb file at 54.9mb/s and the client at 44.6mb/s (=No problem), agreed? |
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| 01:28.38 | barhom | http://pastebin.com/VhPeAkFd < using a server thats further away |
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| 01:29.13 | barhom | the second paste bin shows the router finished the 1gb at 53mb/s and the client can barely download at 2.9mb/s |
| 01:29.31 | Mardus | barhom: Is the client's network adapter 10/100/1000 or just 10/100? |
| 01:29.35 | barhom | Now I *really* hope there is a good "tcp" explanation on to why and how is happening :O |
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| 01:30.08 | barhom | If you take a look at the first paste bin you notice that the client just downloaded something else at 50mb/s |
| 01:30.19 | Mardus | Ok... |
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| 01:31.04 | Mardus | barhom: Is it only the debian client that's so slow or have you tried the same with non-debian clients? |
| 01:31.06 | barhom | Diopter: nevyn shed some light if you can :D |
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| 01:31.55 | barhom | Mardus: the debian client is only slow to certain points, and I have no idea why |
| 01:32.01 | barhom | with points I mean, to certain hosts |
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| 01:32.24 | Mardus | barhom: Have you tried the same with a non-debian client? |
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| 01:33.28 | barhom | Why does that matter Mardus ? |
| 01:34.02 | Mardus | barhom: To tell if it's your debian client that's at fault or if the problem lies with the router or the ISP. |
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| 01:34.22 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 01:35.11 | barhom | nevyn: problems like this sometime makes me wanna quit computers completely :P (But there must be a logical explanation) |
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| 01:35.25 | barhom | you're seeing how weird it is, right? |
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| 01:35.44 | nevyn | it's definitly odd. |
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| 01:36.50 | barhom | Im not sure how "tcp" decides to increase/decrease its speed |
| 01:36.51 | nevyn | barhom: did you test the router again after the client? |
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| 01:36.54 | barhom | yeh, its fast |
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| 01:37.04 | Mardus | barhom: Suppose you run a LiveCD on that debian client, or if you connect another, non-debian client to the router, would you get the same results? |
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| 01:37.56 | barhom | Mardus: Please stop asking me to try another distro, thats clearly not the problem. |
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| 01:38.12 | Mardus | barhom: You haven't ruled it out. |
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| 01:39.52 | barhom | Mardus: Do you know what kind of problem I have? |
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| 01:40.00 | barhom | I can explain it to you again if you wish, |
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| 01:40.26 | stew | Mardus: since you've been here you really seem to only be offering wild unhelpful guesses to people |
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| 01:40.59 | barhom | Im fairly sure I have isolated the problem - but don't know why its happening |
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| 01:41.20 | dvs | yay |
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| 01:41.36 | Mardus | stew: You're exaggerating. |
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| 01:42.20 | barhom | Does anyone have any idea how managed switches can effect the flow of TCP downloads? |
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| 01:42.48 | stew | barhom: switches generally should't do anything but try to send everything |
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| 01:42.59 | stew | barhom: a router can send icmp packets to tell a tcp sender to slow down |
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| 01:43.14 | BLZbubba | how can i tell which source provided an already-installed package? |
| 01:43.19 | BLZbubba | apt-cache showpkg doesn't seem to |
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| 01:43.31 | dvs | BLZbubba: apt-cache policy <package_name> |
| 01:43.42 | stew | dpkg: listvals quench |
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| 01:43.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'quench' by value (1): rfc1016. |
| 01:43.48 | stew | dpkg rfc1016 |
| 01:43.48 | dpkg | somebody said rfc1016 was Something a host could do with source quench: The Source Quench Introduced Delay (SQuID). W. Prue, J. Postel. Jul-01-1987. (Format: TXT=47922 bytes) (Status: UNKNOWN) |
| 01:44.30 | stew | that's probably ancillary |
| 01:44.46 | stew | barhom: but there is an icmp source quench packet |
| 01:45.22 | BLZbubba | dvs: that doesn't seem to show which source |
| 01:45.31 | barhom | stew: Im asking because I just noticed this problem only seems to affect clients behind the 2nd switch (which is trunked to the 1st) |
| 01:45.33 | dvs | ???\ |
| 01:45.55 | dvs | BLZbubba: paste the output on pastebin |
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| 01:46.53 | stew | BLZbubba: dpkg -s packagename |
| 01:47.10 | stew | BLZbubba: if it doesn't list Source explicitly, it means the source package name is the same as the binary package name |
| 01:47.13 | dvs | facepalms |
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| 01:48.33 | stew | BLZbubba: oh, uh, did you mean source package? or do you mean repository? |
| 01:49.03 | BLZbubba | repository; it looks like maybe i installed this package without apt. it shows a 100 line but not a 500 |
| 01:49.15 | BLZbubba | all the other packages seem to have a 500 though. thanks for the clue |
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| 01:50.19 | stew | BLZbubba: what is the version string of the package. does it have some clue like bdo or dmm or something in the version string? |
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| 01:50.55 | dvs | BLZbubba: That suggests that the package is no longer available through your repos. |
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| 02:25.12 | dannyp | so I was looking at deluser today, and the while loop that getpwent() calls is actually O(n^2) or so with regards to number of users on the system; perl's getpwent calls getspnam() for each user in an array context |
| 02:25.33 | barhom | Fixed it! |
| 02:25.44 | Diopter | barhom: What was it? |
| 02:25.49 | dannyp | so you end up opening /etc/shadow and scanning it for each user |
| 02:26.05 | barhom | Diopter: Apparently there is something called "flow-control" that switches have |
| 02:26.17 | Diopter | barhom: Yes... |
| 02:26.57 | barhom | When it was disabled on the switch, Im guessing now btw, and the hops were far away, any download doesn't start fast and the switch "settles" on a initial speed it gets |
| 02:26.58 | dannyp | ultimately I'd call this a perl bug above all else, but the clean fix would not be backwards compatible there. So now I'm thinking about reimplementing deluser in C |
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| 02:27.34 | barhom | but when the "flow-control" was on, the switch tries to increase the throughput more and more |
| 02:28.11 | Diopter | barhom: Sounds like your switches are very odd. |
| 02:28.37 | barhom | I can't say, the whole aspect of flow-control is very new to me |
| 02:29.10 | barhom | I would say flow-control is usually always on as default if this is the behavior, but I don't know (Im gonna read more about flow-control tomorrow) |
| 02:29.14 | stew | barhom: hmm, sorry if i mislead you |
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| 02:29.36 | Diopter | barhom: Well "flow-control", per se, isn't odd. |
| 02:29.50 | Diopter | barhom: But I wouldn't expect it to be off if it affects throughput so drastically. |
| 02:30.30 | barhom | it only affected throughput so drastically in the scenario where your downloading something thats far away, but I agree, its weird |
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| 02:31.07 | barhom | stew: Cant remember where you mislead me ;o but its OK ^^ |
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| 02:31.58 | dannyp | barhom: it might be interesting to run wireshark and take a look at what packets are coming through the switch port |
| 02:32.21 | stew | barhom: i tried to steer you away from the switch as cause :) |
| 02:33.12 | barhom | hmm, there seems to be more to it |
| 02:33.22 | barhom | the flow control helped, but apparently not fully |
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| 02:35.38 | dannyp | you might want to try to benchmark your network with something besides TCP first |
| 02:36.19 | barhom | its all local with newly laid out cat6, so it should be fine, but I agree there are some hiccups |
| 02:36.34 | barhom | Im not seeing the kind of speed I want from the nfsroot Im using to boot some machines diskless |
| 02:37.05 | Diopter | barhom: You could iperf across your fabric |
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| 02:38.23 | dannyp | yeah, start at the lower layers, then work up. Test your bandwidth with something that uses UDP or ICMP first. it's entirely possible you are having issues with TCP scaling/flow control. Problems happen (cables go bad, interfaces develop bad connections, etc.) |
| 02:38.45 | dannyp | but NFS is also a bit tricky in and of itself |
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| 02:39.03 | barhom | but how do you explain how that its good when I download something from the internet but close to me? |
| 02:39.27 | dannyp | NFS tuning would explain that, no? |
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| 02:39.39 | dannyp | (I also just showed up mid conversation, so I'm not fully sure what I'm talking about here) |
| 02:39.46 | barhom | hehe yeh :D |
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| 02:40.30 | dannyp | I know the ubuntu default NFS mount parameters (not sure whether those are inherited from Debian) gave me rather poor performance on my home network |
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| 02:40.51 | dannyp | now I mount with these options, ro,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,nfsvers=3,bg and it works well for me. |
| 02:41.15 | barhom | dannyp: is there any hpdarm like thing for ifs? |
| 02:41.21 | Diopter | barhom: iperf |
| 02:41.42 | Diopter | Also, there's a Lot of TCP tuning options, particularly for when you're in the gigabit range |
| 02:41.47 | dannyp | wait, ifs? |
| 02:41.57 | dannyp | is that a typo to nfs, or are you using something besides nfs? |
| 02:41.59 | barhom | nfs :P |
| 02:42.05 | barhom | not sure what happened there |
| 02:42.12 | dannyp | ah heh no problem. Just making sure I'm not the confused one :) |
| 02:42.33 | Diopter | You could use bonnie++ if you want to test network file systems, since it's a file-based benchmark |
| 02:42.59 | dannyp | quickly googled up http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Testing_tools but I don't have experience with any of those tools |
| 02:43.16 | barhom | Diopter: yeh thanks, thats what I need to test |
| 02:43.43 | barhom | I think Im gonna quickly replace the 2nd switch I have to an unmanaged one to see if it solves my problem |
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| 02:44.06 | dannyp | A lot of this depends on how well you're trying to optimize it, too. If you just want something good enough it might be worth experimenting with mount options (that's what I did) until you find something that works well enough |
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| 02:44.32 | barhom | yeh, Im booting like 10 machines over NFSroot (diskless and pxe) so tuning NFS is a good place to start |
| 02:45.07 | dannyp | ah, yes, you're doing something with real load. Then you will probably want something more methodical than random testing of mount options :) |
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| 02:45.51 | barhom | not really that much load, its mostly computational so once it boots it dosnt do much disk I/O |
| 02:46.09 | dannyp | how large is the boot image that you're pulling? |
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| 02:47.09 | barhom | 2.4M/srv/tftp/pxe/streamer0/kernel/vmlinuz < ? |
| 02:47.25 | barhom | Not sure if thats what you meant |
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| 02:47.53 | barhom | but booting up over network is probably as fast as having a HDD |
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| 02:48.18 | barhom | oh wait, I have an initrd.img thats 9.3M |
| 02:48.22 | barhom | thats probably it |
| 02:49.06 | dannyp | Really what I mean is "how many bytes are each machine pulling" -- you could also just measure this from the server end. (what kind of throughput are you seeing?) |
| 02:49.21 | barhom | oh, nothing at all |
| 02:49.49 | barhom | it does some throughput when I run "ls", but the servers don't do anything on disk |
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| 02:50.22 | barhom | they exist because of their e3-1240v2 cpus to do some heavy cpu stuff |
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| 02:50.55 | barhom | having 1 HDD/server thats gonna use <1gb space wasn't an option |
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| 02:51.58 | dannyp | what is the aspect of the performance that's not good -- file read throughput? file write throughput? |
| 02:52.07 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm this is an issue |
| 02:52.08 | MachinaeWolf | $ hwclock --show |
| 02:52.08 | MachinaeWolf | hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 02:52.08 | MachinaeWolf | hwclock: Use the --debug option to see the details of our search for an access method. |
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| 02:52.45 | LtL | MachinaeWolf: as root, give it a shot. |
| 02:52.48 | barhom | dannyp: seems to be write, because when I download packages it doesn't install them as fast as I want them to be |
| 02:52.53 | MachinaeWolf | k |
| 02:53.11 | MachinaeWolf | yeah that worked |
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| 02:53.38 | dannyp | barhom: try measuring with dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/file.out bs=512 |
| 02:53.50 | dannyp | then try different blocksizes -- 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192. see if that changes anything |
| 02:54.24 | dannyp | the other thing to keep in mind is that latency can add up |
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| 02:55.10 | barhom | yeh, Ill try, I tried adding ,v3,tcp but that didn't help much |
| 02:55.11 | dannyp | installing packages can cause a large number of operations per second, and the network latency could be hurting that. |
| 02:55.27 | dannyp | what are the ping times? |
| 02:55.41 | barhom | 64 bytes from 10.0.0.1: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.034 ms |
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| 02:56.21 | barhom | The network topology is what should be considered the best for NFS performance, but I never played with tuning so it'll be fun to see what fixes it |
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| 02:56.29 | barhom | Im trying bonnie++ atm |
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| 03:01.24 | barhom | dannyp: what kind of throughput did you get over NFS? |
| 03:01.38 | barhom | bonnie didn't finish yet, but it seems to be running around 20mb/s write |
| 03:02.02 | dannyp | barhom: *shrug* the only NFS I'm responsible for maintaining has rather low requirements |
| 03:02.26 | Diopter | barhom: bonnie++ is particularly useful because it tries hard to do things that avoid caching and other ways of getting inaccurate results |
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| 03:02.37 | dannyp | 20 megabytes/s? |
| 03:02.43 | barhom | yes MiB |
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| 03:04.38 | dannyp | 160 Mbit/s is within an order of magnitude of your interface |
| 03:04.55 | dannyp | how many transactions per second is that? |
| 03:05.20 | barhom | at 20mb/s the problem isn't writing, its probably I/O when installation packages |
| 03:05.43 | Buttons840 | I've changed my PATH env var in .bashrc and .bash_profile but neither of these seem to effect the desktop environment; is there another file I need to edit? |
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| 03:06.29 | dannyp | Buttons840: what do you mean by "affect the desktop environment?" |
| 03:07.12 | Diopter | Buttons840: You're probably not starting your desktop environment from your user's shell, so login scripts aren't going to do much. |
| 03:07.17 | dannyp | (that is, which process's environment are you concerned with?) |
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| 03:07.56 | Buttons840 | Diopter: that's true; can I not modify the path for the desktop environment based on who logs in then? |
| 03:07.59 | dannyp | barhom: yeah as much as I enjoy doing things ilke figuring out performance characteristics from bare principles, using a tool designed for that purpose is a good idea :) |
| 03:08.28 | barhom | woah, trying to ssh to the server while bonnie is running is taking forever |
| 03:08.31 | Diopter | Buttons840: Things that apply to everything in the DE? Probably not easily. |
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| 03:08.46 | Buttons840 | dannyp: for example, I have a program in $HOME/bin which I can execute in terminal I open, but if I alt+f2 and try the same commands they don't work |
| 03:08.46 | Diopter | barhom: That's probably because it's saturating your CPU cores with I/O wait. |
| 03:08.53 | Diopter | barhom: It *is* a benchmark, after all |
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| 03:10.35 | dannyp | Buttons840: and alt-f2 does what? |
| 03:11.30 | Buttons840 | dannyp: alt+f2 give an error saying the program isn't available basically |
| 03:11.51 | dannyp | Buttons840: no, I mean, what does alt+f2 do in your windowing environment? I presume it doesn't start a terminal |
| 03:12.08 | Buttons840 | dannyp: it opens a run dialog |
| 03:12.26 | Buttons840 | dannyp: the "Run Application" dialog |
| 03:12.48 | dannyp | Buttons840: ah. Yeah, so you might want to consider doing something in your ~/.xsession |
| 03:13.07 | dannyp | Buttons840: you could source something from another script, too |
| 03:13.09 | Buttons840 | dannyp: i'll look it up |
| 03:13.43 | dannyp | Buttons840: this might be useful http://procrastiblog.com/2007/07/09/changing-your-path-in-emacs-compilation-mode/ |
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| 03:27.45 | Buttons840 | dannyp: I put "export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin" in my .xsession and I can't login and found a .xsession-errors file with lots of ugly stuff in it |
| 03:28.19 | Buttons840 | err, i can't login using the gui anyways; I could still login on another tty |
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| 03:30.18 | dannyp | Buttons840: what is your display manager? |
| 03:30.54 | stew | Buttons840: that type of thing probably belongs in ~/.profile ; you probably want $HOME/bin before the rest of the path. what else is in .xsession? |
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| 03:32.27 | Buttons840 | stew: nothing else was in ~/.xsession |
| 03:32.53 | Buttons840 | dannyp: GNOME; I'm just using standard Squeeze |
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| 03:33.01 | stew | Buttons840: that means that you want your entire X login session to last as long as it takes to modify the path |
| 03:33.21 | dannyp | Buttons840: I suspect that will source /etc/X11/Xsession which in turn will pull in everything else. you can take a look at it to see how it works |
| 03:33.27 | stew | Buttons840: you should be doing something like starting a DE or a WM in your .session |
| 03:33.36 | stew | err .xsession |
| 03:33.52 | Buttons840 | stew: sounds like .xsession is complicated |
| 03:34.10 | dannyp | Buttons840: yeah, sorry about my strange questions at time. I unfortunately (or fortunately) work with all sorts of unusual/custom forms of linux as part of my dayjob, which means I usually take very little for granted |
| 03:34.13 | Buttons840 | stew: can I just change my display managers path in .profile; would that work? (I'll try it and see) |
| 03:34.50 | dannyp | stew: you think the gnome launcher itself will source .profile? that would surprise me |
| 03:34.53 | stew | Buttons840: you could probably move this to .xsessionrc |
| 03:35.12 | Buttons840 | stew: now that you mention it, i think I've done that before |
| 03:35.13 | stew | dannyp: I don't know what the gnome launcher is. logging in sources .profile |
| 03:36.12 | dannyp | stew: neither do I, unfortunately, but it's something that is ultimately inheriting gdm (or whatever is processing the login these days)'s environment and there's no reason to think there's a shell between there |
| 03:36.24 | dannyp | logging in with gdm does? |
| 03:36.55 | dannyp | oh, yes, it totally does. /etc/gdm/Xsession |
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| 03:37.21 | Eediot | I can trigger memtest86 from the GRUB boot, right? |
| 03:37.25 | dannyp | I should probably be sleeping |
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| 03:38.11 | dannyp | so +1 to the ~/.profile suggestion |
| 03:38.12 | Isaac___ | Hi, whenever I boot it does the in it things and then goes to a black screen with a flashing - in the top left. All I can do is press the power button. Help please |
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| 03:38.44 | gnarface | Eediot: yes. i don't think its installed by default though |
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| 03:39.15 | Isaac___ | It happened after I used xkill, or used ctrl alt f1 |
| 03:39.44 | Buttons840 | actually, I'm trying .xsessionrc first |
| 03:39.48 | Buttons840 | brb |
| 03:40.34 | gnarface | Isaac___: have you tried alt f2? |
| 03:40.51 | Isaac___ | Yes. All through f7 |
| 03:41.38 | trysten | Isaac___: maybe you should power-down your computer for a while.. |
| 03:41.54 | Isaac___ | ? |
| 03:41.54 | dannyp | try booting single user, see if that's better |
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| 03:42.48 | Isaac___ | How do I do that? |
| 03:43.04 | gnarface | Isaac___: lets get this clear, when you boot "it does the in it things?" |
| 03:43.21 | Isaac___ | Init * |
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| 03:43.35 | gnarface | Isaac___: by that you mean it gets past grub and starts loading the linux kernel? |
| 03:43.39 | Isaac___ | Yeah. |
| 03:43.51 | gnarface | Isaac___: does it output any text? |
| 03:44.03 | Isaac___ | After it does this it would usually go to the login screen |
| 03:44.25 | Isaac___ | No just a flashing - |
| 03:44.42 | Isaac___ | And sometimes it'll disappear after a while |
| 03:44.48 | gnarface | Isaac___: how long have you waited? |
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| 03:45.01 | Isaac___ | 5 minutes ish |
| 03:45.22 | gnarface | Isaac___: how fast is the cpu? |
| 03:45.29 | Isaac___ | I can boot to recovery mode. |
| 03:45.34 | gnarface | oh |
| 03:45.43 | Isaac___ | The CPU is a i7 1.6ghz |
| 03:45.51 | Isaac___ | Quad core |
| 03:46.03 | gnarface | well maybe check to see if you have "quiet" as a linux kernel parameter in your grub config. i think its on by default in squeeze |
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| 03:46.42 | gnarface | when this happened to me it was because it was panicking but not telling me. once i removed "quiet" i was able to see the actual error and google it. |
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| 03:46.58 | Isaac___ | Where is the grub config? |
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| 03:47.18 | gnarface | Isaac___: find /etc/grub |
| 03:47.28 | Isaac___ | Thanks |
| 03:47.32 | gnarface | Isaac___: sorry find /etc/grub* |
| 03:48.31 | gnarface | Isaac___: unless you upgraded from lenny; i think if you did you might still have the old /boot/grub/ config |
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| 03:48.56 | gnarface | Isaac___: do you know if you're using grub-legacy? |
| 03:49.40 | Isaac___ | I upgraded from Lenny |
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| 03:50.03 | gnarface | Isaac___: check the output of: dpkg -l grub* |
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| 03:51.02 | gnarface | Isaac___: if grub-legacy is present and has a "un" next to it, or is missing entirely, you're OKAY |
| 03:51.06 | Mardus | stew: In principle, I was right in guessing that barhom's issue was not with his debian client. I admit I am not learned in barhom's field of work. Unfortunately, he did not tell or I was not aware (if I came in later into the discussion) as to what it was that he was actually doing just so others could help him. |
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| 03:51.09 | Isaac___ | No packages found matching grub.cfg. no packages found matching grubenv. |
| 03:51.24 | gnarface | Isaac___: dpkg -l grub* |
| 03:51.26 | gnarface | Isaac___: please |
| 03:51.31 | dannyp | his shell expanded grub* |
| 03:51.37 | gnarface | oh |
| 03:51.41 | dannyp | try dpkg -l grub\* |
| 03:51.53 | gnarface | or maybe dpkg -l 'grub*' ? |
| 03:51.56 | Isaac___ | That's an L right? |
| 03:52.00 | gnarface | yes |
| 03:52.37 | gnarface | Isaac___: hot tip for beginners; pick a font with distinct, fixed-width glyphs |
| 03:52.41 | Isaac___ | Lots of runs |
| 03:52.46 | Isaac___ | Uns |
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| 03:53.02 | gnarface | Isaac___: un just means uninstalled |
| 03:53.04 | Isaac___ | Grub legacy has one too |
| 03:53.21 | gnarface | Isaac___: so if that's the case you probably have an /etc/grub* config |
| 03:53.27 | Isaac___ | Grub is un too though |
| 03:53.31 | gnarface | Isaac___: oh |
| 03:53.33 | Isaac___ | Grub2 |
| 03:53.49 | Isaac___ | But grub2-common is ii |
| 03:53.59 | Isaac___ | So is this right? |
| 03:54.33 | gnarface | Isaac___: its called grub2-common ? |
| 03:54.49 | gnarface | Isaac___: paste that line |
| 03:54.50 | Isaac___ | I'll take a pic |
| 03:55.20 | gnarface | sighs |
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| 03:56.40 | Isaac___ | http://www.imgur.com/tpwgq.jpeg |
| 03:56.47 | Mardus | Omg, a jpeg |
| 03:57.14 | Mardus | Ok, it wasn't a screenshot. |
| 03:57.54 | Isaac___ | Idk how I would copy or paste or screenshot from not a GUI |
| 03:58.04 | gnarface | Isaac___: is that a backport or something? where did you get that grub2 package? |
| 03:58.09 | gnarface | Isaac___: have you been mixing distros? |
| 03:58.23 | Mardus | Isaac___: Well, yes, you were right to make a picture like that. |
| 03:58.41 | Isaac___ | I might have messed something up a little when I upgraded |
| 03:58.53 | gnarface | Isaac___: indeed |
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| 03:59.18 | Mardus | But 1944x2592 pixels is a bit much (OTOH, resizing would have taken its own time) |
| 03:59.41 | Isaac___ | But pretty sure this is unrelated. I think it might be caused by nvidia drivers or kernel, but how would I find out? |
| 04:00.00 | gnarface | Isaac___: fyi there is a tool to pastebin stuff from the command line; apt-get install pastebinit |
| 04:00.23 | Isaac___ | Oh useful |
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| 04:01.13 | Mardus | Isaac___: You can do it like this: yourcommand > output.txt |
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| 04:01.25 | Isaac___ | Ahh. Thanks. |
| 04:01.37 | Isaac___ | Ehh |
| 04:01.47 | Isaac___ | A thing popped up |
| 04:01.53 | Isaac___ | Sec |
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| 04:02.22 | gnarface | Isaac___: do me a favor and look in /etc/default/grub and see if you have this line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" |
| 04:02.29 | gnarface | Isaac___: or if the word quiet appears anywhere |
| 04:03.09 | Mardus | Isaac____: That way, output is sent into a text file and you can view it with a text editor (vi or vim being the most common, but there's also nano) |
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| 04:03.51 | Isaac___ | OK 1 sec. It said dpkg needed a thing done |
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| 04:05.13 | Isaac___ | gnarface: yes its there |
| 04:05.56 | Isaac___ | Remove it? |
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| 04:06.21 | gnarface | i think just change it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" |
| 04:06.34 | gnarface | (no space between the ") |
| 04:06.36 | Isaac___ | And I forgot how to vi, how do I switch to edit it again? |
| 04:06.41 | gnarface | i |
| 04:07.09 | gnarface | nano is probably a far friendlier choice |
| 04:07.16 | jagginess | Isaac___, yawn just use mcedit |
| 04:07.35 | gnarface | i like mg |
| 04:07.45 | Mardus | Isaac__: If you want to switchh from vi's edit mode to command mode, use Esc key. Nano is good for beginners, I used to use that often. |
| 04:08.16 | Isaac___ | OK using nano, much easier. How do I save? |
| 04:08.25 | Mardus | Isaac__: Ctrl+W |
| 04:08.39 | youlysses | Isaac___: C_x y? |
| 04:09.00 | Isaac___ | Is write out save? |
| 04:09.01 | LtL | ctrl-x say yes |
| 04:09.04 | Mardus | Isaac__: Yes |
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| 04:10.36 | Mardus | Isaac__: Nano is simpler, but vi and vim are advanced and require a learning curve; vim also has syntax highlighting, which is very useful. |
| 04:10.46 | youlysses | Nano is great when you don't have Emacs readily avalible. But really, not much compares to emacs. If you need a light/quick editor, Isaac___ nano surfices 9/10. |
| 04:10.50 | gnarface | Mardus: you missed him, he rebooted |
| 04:10.55 | youlysses | crap ... |
| 04:11.15 | youlysses | Mardus: Nano can have sytax higlighting. |
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| 04:11.48 | Mardus | youlysses: I didn't know that; The nano of the yore (on woody) didn't have that. |
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| 04:12.04 | Isaac___ | Sorry phone died |
| 04:12.35 | Mardus | Isaac__: You're running debian on your phone? |
| 04:12.43 | trysten | o.O |
| 04:12.52 | Isaac___ | No I'm o. Irc on my phone |
| 04:13.03 | Isaac___ | On |
| 04:13.38 | jagginess | I still say mcedit is easier. |
| 04:13.40 | Isaac___ | I have Ubuntu on my phone though |
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| 04:13.47 | gnarface | Isaac___: so you didn't reboot yet? |
| 04:13.52 | Isaac___ | Oh hey. It magically works |
| 04:13.57 | Mardus | Isaac__: Nano is simpler, but vi and vim are advanced and require a learning curve; vim also has syntax highlighting, which is very useful. |
| 04:14.09 | youlysses | Isaac___: Natively have ubuntu? |
| 04:14.09 | jagginess | can use ssh fully on his ipod |
| 04:14.33 | Mardus | Isaac__: And youlysses suggested that nano now supports syntax highlighting. |
| 04:14.52 | Isaac___ | Chroot and uses a vnc to see GUI |
| 04:14.53 | trysten | jagginess: can you press Fkeys? |
| 04:15.00 | youlysses | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.01 | youlysses | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.06 | jagginess | Mardus, you said exactly the same dam thing like 10 minutes ago.. yes we get it.. it's easier.. |
| 04:15.24 | trysten | so jagged |
| 04:15.27 | Mardus | jagginess: I said that to Isaac__, because he missed it. |
| 04:15.31 | Isaac___ | Thank you I guess removing quiet fixed it |
| 04:15.34 | jagginess | trysten, yes.. there's a quick Fn pulldown.. ctl keys, everything.. |
| 04:15.49 | trysten | jagginess: lucky. where'd you get that app? |
| 04:15.58 | jagginess | trysten, app store.. its free. |
| 04:16.02 | Mardus | Isaac__: What phone do you have, btw? |
| 04:16.06 | gnarface | Isaac___: fixed it!? that's ... interesting |
| 04:16.17 | jagginess | sees (vssh lite) |
| 04:16.18 | Isaac___ | I'm never using xkill again now ._. |
| 04:16.46 | Isaac___ | Mardus, Samsung galaxy nexus |
| 04:16.59 | Mardus | Isaac___: Cool. |
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| 04:17.32 | Mardus | Oh, cool, I just learned a new emoticon ._. |
| 04:17.34 | isaac_ | Yay, back on my computer. |
| 04:18.03 | isaac_ | Either, fixing dpkg, or removing quiet fixed it. Or also, it did a system check from being booted 30 times. So that could have fixed it too. |
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| 04:18.16 | youlysses | I'm still waiting for a (decent) phone with free-enough hardware to run debian natively on ... |
| 04:18.27 | isaac_ | youlysses, that would be awesome. |
| 04:18.36 | isaac_ | and thanks all for the help :) |
| 04:18.45 | Mardus | youlysses: I suggest Nokia N9, only because it's got MeeGo, but I am not sure about how free its hardware is. |
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| 04:20.02 | Mardus | youlysses: Oh wait, Nokia N9 runs Linux out of the box anyway, so there should be drivers for some of its hardware, too. |
| 04:20.32 | youlysses | Mardus: They never realeased them in the States, but I did really want one. I got a Galxaxy S "Blaze" recently, so I'm not in the market for a new phone, but I am in the market for a new toy. (I really want to help out on debian-mobile... !) |
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| 04:21.53 | Mardus | youlysses: Not releasing Nokia N9 in the U.S. (and other major markets) was all Elop's fault and my heart bleeds for Nokia :'( |
| 04:22.12 | youlysses | Am I still connected ...? |
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| 04:22.26 | Mardus | youlysses: Yes, it seems so. |
| 04:22.46 | dannyp | but who knows how long that might laNO CARRIER |
| 04:23.06 | youlysses | Mardus: I'm telling you man, I need a new battery for this thing. Like 2-5 minutes unplugged ... |
| 04:23.20 | youlysses | Better yet, a new laptop in general. :-/ |
| 04:24.06 | Mardus | youlysses: I've seen ads for very reasonably-priced Compaq pc's without Windows in them, and then there are specialized shops that sell lappies with Linux out of the box. |
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| 04:25.06 | dannyp | I'm rebelling against trends. My most recent personal machine is a big bulky desktop and I love it. |
| 04:25.11 | Mardus | youlysses: I don't know if hp still sell any of their notebooks with Linux on them not. They even had some models with Red Flag (Chinese) Linux. |
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| 04:26.22 | Mardus | youlysses: * ads for Compaq notebooks, actually. Those with Windows show the Windows logo on their screens, and those without show the manufacturer's logo. And I know some Lenovo notebooks came with MeeGo preinstalled. |
| 04:26.25 | youlysses | Mardus: I really wish Lennovo would release an x-series convertible without an OS installed. I'd really like a touch-screen to doodle on. My bambo is fine, but really not to portable. I'd love to contribute some more doodle to mediagoblin.com. :-) |
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| 04:26.47 | dannyp | I've had very positive experiences with IBM/Lenovo and running Linux on thinkpads (and decent ones on the cheaper lenovo clone) |
| 04:27.11 | jagginess | heard R.stallman's lenovo is sloowwwwwww |
| 04:27.38 | youlysses | I've heard nothing but good things from thinkpads dannyp :-) |
| 04:27.39 | Mardus | jagginess: Isn't RMS using Lenote instead of Lenovo? |
| 04:27.42 | gnarface | i'm compelled to remind you guys this is a debian support channel; please take off-topic discussion to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:27.51 | youlysses | jagginess: He's no-longer using it. |
| 04:27.52 | Mardus | jagginess: * Lemote |
| 04:27.53 | dannyp | have they changed MS licensing terms, or is lenovo still going to pay MS for a windows license whether they send you it or not? I thought the OEM licensing was based on total units sold, regardless of how they were sold |
| 04:28.01 | nevyn | yep |
| 04:28.04 | jagginess | one of them.. i never trusted whatever he uses.. read bad reports about it |
| 04:28.17 | youlysses | Mardus: I'm not sure if RMS is using a Leemote either. Wasn't that stolen? |
| 04:28.36 | Mardus | youlysses: Oh, stolen, like, from RMS? |
| 04:28.36 | dannyp | gnarface: thanks for the reminder. This is my first time spending more than 30 seconds reading this channel in almost a decade. |
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| 04:29.12 | Wyzard | jagginess: I've had several Thinkpads and they work fine with Debian... when ordering, just make sure to choose the Intel wifi rather than the default "Lenovo" wifi (which is probably a rebranded Broadcom or something) |
| 04:29.29 | youlysses | Mardus: I'm pretty sure? Did you not here about what happened in argintenia (I think that's where it was?) 2-3+ months back? |
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| 04:29.43 | Mardus | youlysses: No, what happened? |
| 04:30.46 | youlysses | Wyzard: I think the one big-rule when buying a linux-kernel based system is to go as intel as possible. |
| 04:32.02 | Mardus | (Actually, some former Nokia people who developed the N9 phone have started a new phone company, hopefully to get a MeeGo-based phone out sometime) |
| 04:32.18 | youlysses | Mardus: He got his bag filled with medicine, passport, and other-like things, along with his leemote, while letting it sit, preparing for one of his talks. |
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| 04:33.15 | Wyzard | had it stolen, you mean |
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| 04:33.30 | Mardus | youlysses: And what happened next? |
| 04:33.51 | youlysses | Wyzard: Oh correct. *He got it stolen. |
| 04:34.21 | Mardus | How could anyone be so greedy to have RMS's things stolen. |
| 04:34.58 | gratciAZ | http://highscalability.com/ |
| 04:35.11 | youlysses | Mardus: He was extremley upset, as one could imagine. Mardus are you from or aware of western-like cultures, and their gestures? |
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| 04:35.38 | Mardus | youlysses: Yes and no, I live in Estonia. |
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| 04:36.56 | stew | can we please move the off-topic discussion to #debian-offtopic ? |
| 04:37.26 | youlysses | I'll just pm Mardus. ;-) |
| 04:37.30 | Mardus | youlysses: So, you could reply at #debian-offtopic , for example |
| 04:37.52 | trysten | flips everyone the bird |
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| 04:40.30 | pparadis | trysten: bird is the word. |
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| 04:44.54 | youlysses | stew: Btw, good-job! |
| 04:45.45 | stew | youlysses: on? |
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| 05:33.47 | jk4-ohgod | hey folks. i've done a booboo trying to recover some documents with an ext3 partition and i really hope someone can help me fix it |
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| 05:34.50 | jk4-ohgod | tried a couple superblocks, but couldn't find remnents of the doc i wanted. saw the man page said if i suspect the superblocks are all corrupted to try mke2fs -S |
| 05:35.04 | jk4-ohgod | man also said to run e2fsck immediately after |
| 05:35.27 | jk4-ohgod | now after hours of e2fsck "fixing" everything, i've got an insane lost+found and no files anyplace else |
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| 05:35.43 | jk4-ohgod | am i royaly screwed? |
| 05:35.58 | pparadis | time to get your backups. |
| 05:36.08 | pparadis | you do have backups, right? |
| 05:36.19 | jk4-ohgod | will the old superblocks listed by mke2fs -n still be useful? |
| 05:36.53 | pparadis | did you make an image of the original partition before you started this processs? |
| 05:36.58 | pparadis | s/sss/ss/ |
| 05:37.23 | jk4-ohgod | sadly didn't think of that until the moment i hit enter. naturally |
| 05:38.07 | pparadis | this is, unfortunately, almost certainly a case of live and learn. make backups. make backups of your backups. back those up too, all in different places. lastly, before you touch anything in the manner you've described, make an image of the device or partition before you begin. |
| 05:38.30 | jk4-ohgod | anything i can try? hate to give up |
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| 05:38.50 | pparadis | aside from running strings on your disk to try to recover data that way, no. |
| 05:39.06 | pparadis | i forget which package strings is in. it's some -utils or dev package. |
| 05:39.07 | jk4-ohgod | running strings? as in grepping? |
| 05:39.18 | jk4-ohgod | hmm |
| 05:39.23 | pparadis | strings is a utility which searches for strings on raw data. |
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| 05:39.54 | pparadis | it's good or a laugh when you provision a VPS with a provider that doesn't zero their disk images before giving them to you with a fresh deployment. |
| 05:39.58 | pparadis | s/or a/for a/ |
| 05:40.08 | pparadis | sits up and stops typing at an angle. |
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| 05:41.15 | pparadis | but seriously, everything i listed earlier should be standard practice for anything you are not willing to lose Right Now. |
| 05:41.18 | pparadis | hence the live and learn. |
| 05:41.51 | joulez | binutils |
| 05:41.56 | pparadis | that's the one. |
| 05:42.03 | jk4-ohgod | yeah found it a moment ago |
| 05:42.13 | joulez | dpkg-query |
| 05:42.31 | pparadis | joulez: i wasn't gonna go that far :) |
| 05:42.52 | joulez | robots have feelings too. |
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| 05:43.05 | pparadis | joulez: i'm a real boy! |
| 05:43.32 | joulez | yes your a special boy. |
| 05:43.35 | joulez | you're |
| 05:43.40 | pparadis | :D |
| 05:44.07 | pparadis | cuddles with joulez. okay, maybe not. instead, i'll go have a smoke. |
| 05:45.03 | joulez | yes go have a smoke and have a think. |
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| 05:46.58 | joulez | Without my powers, I can't do a thing. I can't even break a little steal door! |
| 05:47.43 | Mardus | bye |
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| 06:15.45 | superlinux-hp | I have a flash drive Sony pendrive that is recognized by dmesg . but lsusb does not see it. the system does not mount it. this one has FM radio and a recorder and an MP3 player. what should I do? |
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| 06:27.39 | scientes | superlinux-hp, you probably need the modesetting daemon |
| 06:28.12 | scientes | superlinux-hp, try installing "usb-modeswitch" |
| 06:28.23 | scientes | http://packages.debian.org/sid/usb-modeswitch |
| 06:28.23 | superlinux-hp | scientes, it get disconnected just in time |
| 06:28.40 | superlinux-hp | I have squeeze+backports |
| 06:28.44 | superlinux-hp | i'll see |
| 06:28.59 | scientes | thats in both, you should use backports for usb-modeswitch-data |
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| 06:29.43 | superlinux-hp | scientes, thanks mate |
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| 06:35.09 | tuv | what's with apt-cacher-ng and Hash Sum mismatch errors?! i get them every day. and everytime, restarting apt-cacher-ng resolves the problem, until the next day :| |
| 06:37.17 | rozie | tuv: where do you see those errors? |
| 06:38.48 | rozie | I use apt-cacher-ng and never seen them. Maybe disk or memory errors? |
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| 06:48.33 | superlinux-hp | scientes, my flash drive gets disconnected as soon as i put it |
| 06:48.59 | scientes | superlinux-hp, you mean in dmesg? |
| 06:49.05 | superlinux-hp | yes |
| 06:49.05 | scientes | or tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 06:49.46 | superlinux-hp | scientes, it's more than looking at the logs.. |
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| 06:50.42 | superlinux-hp | scientes, do I have to define a udev rule for that? |
| 06:50.54 | superlinux-hp | i mean so I can capture the device? |
| 06:52.56 | superlinux-hp | brb |
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| 06:55.28 | scientes | superlinux-hp, it seems like this device doesn't have working linux support, supporting it might be a large undertaking----also, if you are still running squeeze, kernel, you could just try the 3.2 kernel from backports and see if that magically fixes it |
| 06:55.33 | cantido | I hate to ask an "anyone" question.. but has anyone running an armel machine had issues with the nfs daemons causing the machine to hard lock? |
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| 07:07.36 | tuv | rozie: while apt-update'ing |
| 07:07.49 | tuv | rozie: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677983 |
| 07:08.12 | tuv | rozie: also, using testing? are you? or are you using stable? |
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| 07:12.01 | youlysses | Would installing debian to a standard usb-2.0 thumb-drive be painfully slow? |
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| 07:12.52 | cantido | youlysses: It wouldn't be great for normal desktop use |
| 07:13.48 | youlysses | cantido: I'd like just something I could throw on my keychain, and maybe have a minimal x-session with a full-screen emacs24. :-P |
| 07:14.57 | hesco | Yesterday, for the first time, I set up an ssh tunnel for a production use, like so: |
| 07:14.57 | hesco | ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub -f mytunnel@my.dbserver.com -L 13306:127.0.0.1:3306 -N |
| 07:15.10 | hesco | Today I got the call it had gone down |
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| 07:15.37 | hesco | All attempts to identify a pid to kill come up empty. |
| 07:15.41 | c-aries | usb performance is bad, I suggest you use live mode then save the changes to AUFS |
| 07:16.05 | cantido | youlysses: there are debian live images on the mirrors IIRC |
| 07:16.14 | hesco | and attempts to recreate the connection fail as well. |
| 07:16.31 | hesco | How do you tear one of these things down, once you create it? |
| 07:16.52 | cantido | hesco: um.. the tunnel lasts for as long as ssh is running |
| 07:17.14 | youlysses | cantido: c-aries: Is there a minimal image of Debian-Live or is it just GNOME, KDE, ETC |
| 07:17.34 | hesco | so if I restart sshd, it will terminate and I have a clean slate? |
| 07:17.36 | wt0vremr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.48 | cantido | hesco: sshd where? |
| 07:18.06 | c-aries | youlysses, you can custom a Debian Live USB from scratch |
| 07:18.12 | jelly-home | hesco: restarting sshd does not terminate existing connections |
| 07:18.23 | cantido | hesco: the tunneling works over the ssh connection you create with ssh -L blah .. if you exit from ssh the connection is gone |
| 07:18.24 | hesco | I created the tunnel on the web server to encrypt the db traffic to a remote db server. |
| 07:18.41 | cantido | hesco: if you want long term connections use OpenVPN |
| 07:18.43 | youlysses | Is that the "standard" image? |
| 07:18.47 | wt0vremr | c-aries i saw such an image somewhere on whe Web, but of course it's unnoficiall. |
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| 07:20.39 | wt0vremr | youlysses, chech this: http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD/ |
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| 07:22.28 | youlysses | Doesn't seem to be on there, but I'll just assume. :-) |
| 07:22.35 | hesco | cantido: thanks. looks like a bit of a learning curve their. |
| 07:23.02 | hesco | there, rather |
| 07:23.19 | cantido | hesco: setting up a vpn between two machines with a pre-shared key is about 8 lines of config (4 for each end) and generating the key.. its very simple |
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| 07:24.22 | hesco | that I can face at this hour. Thanks for that. |
| 07:24.32 | hesco | Still looking for that recipe. |
| 07:25.04 | cantido | hesco: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/78-static-key-mini-howto.html |
| 07:25.22 | hesco | Once I did that, how much more difficult would it be to extend that to a small network of fewer than a dozen other machines? |
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| 07:25.41 | hesco | thanks, looking there now. |
| 07:25.42 | cantido | hesco: the openvpn site has all of the details you need.. |
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| 07:25.53 | hesco | yes, I noticed. |
| 07:26.11 | hesco | and then some. |
| 07:26.55 | cantido | hesco: are all of your machines in the same place? |
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| 07:29.59 | drigollier | hi all |
| 07:31.55 | hesco | afraid not. That is why I am exploring ways of encrypting the communication among them. |
| 07:32.01 | SiD- | http://pastebin.com/5p76nXeq all my zone get loaded but not the 2 last one any idea why? |
| 07:32.14 | hesco | cantido : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:32.42 | hesco | this looks doable. I'm trying this. |
| 07:33.08 | cantido | hesco: ok, openvpn is what you want then.. I wondered if you were encrypting traffic between machines on the same network |
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| 07:33.50 | hesco | my main question is about the choice of udp. aren't those packets considerably smaller than the tcp ones? |
| 07:34.07 | cantido | The docs say to use UDP if you can |
| 07:34.08 | hesco | seems you'd need many of them to carry the payload. |
| 07:34.23 | cantido | hesco: do you have any understanding of tcp/ip? |
| 07:34.29 | hesco | so is it an option? |
| 07:34.39 | cantido | the default is UDP IIRc |
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| 07:34.52 | hesco | some 256 bit packets, if memory serves, w/ a header for routing |
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| 07:34.59 | cantido | you only need TCP in certain situations (when you have a NAT in the way I think) |
| 07:35.13 | hesco | not an issue here. |
| 07:35.21 | cantido | do what it tells you to do |
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| 07:36.27 | hesco | though if I break down the barrier on pretending I do not understand enough about vpn to use or deploy it, I might get some wild ideas about hosting our desktops in the cloud or something. |
| 07:36.33 | hesco | ok, will do. |
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| 07:47.20 | SiD- | anyone can help me with bind? |
| 07:47.40 | SiD- | im pretty sure it's easy to fix.. but still I can't find why |
| 07:47.45 | SiD- | http://pastebin.com/5p76nXeq all my zone get loaded but not the 2 last one any idea why? |
| 07:47.53 | SiD- | im having those 2 zone loding fine in another box |
| 07:48.06 | SiD- | don't know why they dont load in that one |
| 07:48.06 | SiD- | :| |
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| 07:49.31 | ocx | root@debian:/var/log# mail -bash: mail: command not found what is the package to install the mail package |
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| 07:50.12 | SiD- | bsd-mailx |
| 07:50.19 | SiD- | i think |
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| 07:50.37 | ocx | bingo |
| 07:51.12 | SiD- | now who's helping me with bind9?:p |
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| 07:55.05 | ocx | i do |
| 07:55.07 | ocx | tell me |
| 07:55.32 | SiD- | http://pastebin.com/5p76nXeq all my zone get loaded but not the 2 last one any idea why? |
| 07:55.38 | SiD- | im having those 2 zone loding fine in another box |
| 07:55.47 | SiD- | i can't find why they dont load in that one |
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| 07:56.09 | SiD- | if you need more information let me know |
| 07:56.43 | SiD- | its doesn't even try to load those zone |
| 07:56.50 | SiD- | i have nothing about those 2 zone in my logs |
| 07:57.03 | SiD- | all other zone are there (in log) i see when bind9 load them |
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| 07:57.41 | ocx | e66 and e2750 ? |
| 07:57.49 | SiD- | exactly |
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| 07:58.10 | SiD- | all other zone are loaded, i can see them in logs file, but nothing about e.6.6 and e.2.7.5.0 |
| 07:58.13 | SiD- | kinda weirdos |
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| 07:59.29 | Fortron | does anyone know why chmod 600 fails with Putty where chmod 644 does not, i'm talking about the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file here |
| 08:00.38 | ocx | try : /usr/sbin/named-checkconf /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 08:01.37 | SiD- | root@Zlin:/etc/bind# /usr/sbin/named-checkconf /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 08:01.37 | SiD- | root@Zlin:/etc/bind# |
| 08:01.38 | SiD- | lol |
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| 08:01.47 | hesco | is their any default path and name which openvpn checks for conf files? Or must that always be specified on the cli? |
| 08:02.36 | ocx | file permissions are ok? |
| 08:02.38 | ocx | for the zones |
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| 08:02.58 | SiD- | the master share them with another box |
| 08:03.10 | SiD- | and share other zone with that box that dont wanna load those 2 zone |
| 08:03.35 | ocx | try to execute only these 2 zones |
| 08:03.39 | ocx | remove the ones working |
| 08:03.40 | SiD- | how? |
| 08:03.43 | SiD- | kk |
| 08:03.47 | SiD- | i tryed |
| 08:03.53 | SiD- | let me show you the result |
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| 08:05.57 | SiD- | 18-Jul-2012 04:05:24.529 general: managed-keys-zone ./IN/test: loaded serial 2 |
| 08:06.07 | SiD- | i made a named.conf.test |
| 08:06.15 | SiD- | and load it from named.conf |
| 08:06.19 | SiD- | add it in include |
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| 08:07.20 | davidguigui | bonjour à tous, |
| 08:07.34 | davidguigui | j'ai un souci de mot de passe que je n'arrive pas à résoudre |
| 08:07.45 | davidguigui | quelqu'un aurait cinq minutes ? |
| 08:08.04 | simonlnu | en anglais ici svp. il y a un chan francais. |
| 08:08.06 | hesco | Also, seems from my reading that openvpn is creating a virtual tun device and setting up ip addresses among peers. Is this going to be as simple as having mysql listen on the tun device on the db server for connections, while adding a couple of routes on each machine? |
| 08:08.07 | simonlnu | !fr |
| 08:08.07 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 08:08.09 | SiD- | lol |
| 08:08.12 | SiD- | du francais:D |
| 08:08.33 | davidguigui | sorry ciao |
| 08:08.45 | simonlnu | bonne chance |
| 08:08.50 | Fortron | no one knows why I get "Server refused our key" with cmod 600? |
| 08:09.51 | hesco | sorry, don't use putty myself. good luck with that though. |
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| 08:10.19 | Fortron | strange is that it works fine with cmod 644 |
| 08:10.38 | simonlnu | probably doesn't run as your user... |
| 08:10.48 | themill | Fortron: no-one has the slightest idea what you're talking about. |
| 08:10.49 | Fortron | been reading i should use cmod 600 on authorized_keys |
| 08:10.57 | simonlnu | ...as it's generally a windows app. |
| 08:11.07 | themill | ,i putty |
| 08:11.12 | judd | Package putty (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Telnet/SSH client for X. Version: 0.60+2010-02-20-1; Size: 298.2k; Installed: 740k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/putty |
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| 08:11.51 | Fortron | just like to connect from windows to the debian box thrue windows Putty client |
| 08:12.01 | simonlnu | (that's why i said "generally" ;) |
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| 08:12.26 | Fortron | so should the authorized_keys file be cmod 600? |
| 08:12.28 | bardzusny | I'm not sure how relevant this is, but keep in mind that putty uses different format for keys |
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| 08:12.54 | simonlnu | Fortron: try 640 |
| 08:12.58 | Fortron | morphis: I know but that is all setup correctly |
| 08:13.05 | simonlnu | not very nice, but i'm curious |
| 08:13.08 | Fortron | 640 works simonlnu |
| 08:13.26 | morphis | Fortron: ? |
| 08:13.35 | simonlnu | another reason to avoid it ;p |
| 08:13.38 | themill | both should work fine |
| 08:13.38 | Fortron | but why not 600 |
| 08:13.47 | themill | dpkg: tell Fortron about sshd debug |
| 08:13.56 | SiD- | ocx kinda weird right? |
| 08:14.09 | simonlnu | , putty |
| 08:14.13 | simonlnu | ,v putty |
| 08:14.15 | Fortron | well that is what i need to know, is 644 good to |
| 08:14.15 | judd | Package: putty on i386 -- lenny: 0.60-3; squeeze: 0.60+2010-02-20-1; sid: 0.62-8; wheezy: 0.62-8 |
| 08:14.39 | simonlnu | good to what? |
| 08:15.01 | Fortron | good as in protection |
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| 08:15.16 | Fortron | i'm green with debian |
| 08:15.26 | Fortron | so pardon me if i ask stupid things |
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| 08:16.15 | simonlnu | it's not even debian's or ssh's fault, it's putty's lameness |
| 08:16.38 | themill | I can't see how putty has anything to do with this. Either sshd accepts that file or it does not |
| 08:17.08 | Fortron | so it probally a bug in putty? |
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| 08:18.21 | bardzusny | Fortron you converted your keys to putty format? |
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| 08:18.25 | bardzusny | (puttygen.exe) |
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| 08:19.00 | bardzusny | http://www.linux-sxs.org/networking/openssh.putty.html |
| 08:19.03 | bardzusny | may be helpful |
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| 08:19.40 | Fortron | bardzusny: yes I did and that is all okay, I generated the key on debian and imported into puttygen then saved it in ppk format |
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| 08:22.21 | Fortron | but its not a big problem, if cmod 644 on authorized_keys if fine then it works well |
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| 08:34.50 | blackshirt | when the next debian scheduled to release? |
| 08:35.00 | aBound | blackshirt, I wonder the same thing. |
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| 08:37.33 | _ramok | hi |
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| 08:41.02 | Lasse- | hello |
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| 08:42.02 | Konomi | clear |
| 08:42.04 | Konomi | ops |
| 08:42.07 | rozie | tuv: stable here. probably that's why never seen this bug |
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| 08:43.24 | shadok | aBound: totally unofficial: end of year |
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| 08:45.21 | aBound | End of the year will be quite a while but oh well. |
| 08:45.39 | aBound | shadok, Thanks. |
| 08:45.43 | shadok | np :) |
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| 08:46.13 | aBound | :P |
| 08:46.21 | hesco | So I have openvpn running between two servers permitting me to ping their respective remote IP's. I UPDATE'd my mysql.user and mysql.table_priv tables to reflect the IP assigned to the tun device, and FLUSH PRIVILEGES; my.cnf listens 0.0.0.0. But still I am unable to make a mysql connection across the openvpn. What am I missing here? |
| 08:46.25 | aBound | Sleepy time. |
| 08:46.26 | aBound | :) |
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| 08:50.58 | e-anima | is it possible to somehow access achangelog of a package. im searching what changed in libgv-php5 stable/unstable. because have some problem with "canno tredeclare render()" bu tmaybe its fixed in dev |
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| 08:54.54 | blackroomboy | apt-get source <package name> |
| 08:55.00 | blackroomboy | the changelog should be in there |
| 08:55.04 | e-anima | ok thx |
| 08:56.29 | e-anima | ah i had a google string idea, appears to be here too: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/graphviz/graphviz_2.26.3-5/changelog |
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| 09:01.03 | blackroomboy | may be the better option, you can skip downloading the source |
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| 09:06.02 | boudiccas | i've removed clamav from my squeeze box and now wish to remove the clamav log to stop it running every morning. how do i remove /var/log/clamav please? i've tried with sudo rm /var/log/clamav but it just repleis with "it is a directory" and wont let me do it? |
| 09:06.22 | boudiccas | *replies |
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| 09:12.35 | bardzusny | boudiccas: rm -r |
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| 09:13.31 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 09:24.16 | guardian | hello |
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| 09:24.30 | guardian | when configuring the keyboard layout from gnome, where are settings stored on disc please? |
| 09:24.36 | krababbel | I tried sending a reply to a bugreport with reportbug. I fails with 'SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported'. I tried using my gmail account, any ideas please? |
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| 09:27.19 | CableNinja | does the CD version have all I'd need to reinstall? IE: do I need cd1 only or do I need all 12+? |
| 09:27.40 | boudiccas | cd1 is all thats needed |
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| 09:27.53 | krababbel | needs tls, works now |
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| 09:28.53 | CableNinja | boudiccas: am I to assume correctly that if I use a 6.0.1 net install that it will use 6.0.5 installations? |
| 09:29.39 | boudiccas | CableNinja: it may install 6.0.1 and you may have to update and upgrade to 6.0.5 afterwards |
| 09:29.51 | CableNinja | customer requesting 6.0.1 specifically |
| 09:30.06 | boudiccas | don't do a netinstall then |
| 09:30.12 | CableNinja | thats what I thought |
| 09:30.15 | CableNinja | throws the cd across the room |
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| 09:31.13 | SiD- | any bind9 pro? |
| 09:31.19 | SiD- | i have a weird problem |
| 09:31.30 | SiD- | log here http://pastebin.com/XBfsvZ1B zone here http://pastebin.com/5p76nXeq (2 last zone not loading) bind 9.8.1 on debian wheezy kernel 3.2.0 |
| 09:31.42 | SiD- | all my zone load fine but not the 2 last one... |
| 09:31.47 | SiD- | cant fix that |
| 09:31.51 | SiD- | trying for hours |
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| 09:37.58 | CableNinja | thanks for the info boudiccas |
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| 09:57.34 | ocx | why my session freezes when in screen and entering Ctrl+a S |
| 09:59.19 | engla | ocx: ctrl+s stops the terminal and ctrl+q resumes |
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| 09:59.26 | engla | it's a pretty useless thing |
| 09:59.37 | ocx | engla: i am trying to split my screen |
| 09:59.41 | ocx | not able to do so |
| 10:00.38 | SPF | engla: would be good if you could disable it by default |
| 10:00.58 | engla | ocx: ok this ctrl+s thing of mine is just a guess |
| 10:01.03 | SPF | like alias screen -no-stop-term |
| 10:01.20 | engla | stty -ixon |
| 10:01.28 | engla | I think |
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| 10:06.59 | SiD- | where can i get help with bind9? |
| 10:07.15 | SiD- | loading all zone in a file... like 20 zone... but ignoring 2 zone in that file |
| 10:07.23 | SiD- | im about to go crazy trying to fix that |
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| 10:12.52 | gnugr | SiD-:i hope this will help you: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 but you can also ask on #bind on irc.freenode.net |
| 10:12.55 | ksk | take a look at the logfile? :P |
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| 10:15.26 | SiD- | ksk the log file doesnt show anything about those 2 zone |
| 10:15.30 | SiD- | that arent getting loaded |
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| 10:20.16 | Pinchiukas | If I install ssmtp should mysql-server not install heirloom-mailx? Cause ssmtp is supposed to provide mail-transport-agent as I understand... |
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| 10:20.35 | Pinchiukas | But still after I install ssmtp and try to install mysql-server, apt-get wants to install heirloom-mailx. |
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| 10:25.42 | aswen | please have a look at http://pastie.org/4277146 and then please explain me what a capital W in the output means |
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| 10:30.04 | Dmitrijus | aswen: checkout the manpage for getfacl and search for -t, it means the permission is ineffective |
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| 10:37.27 | Psychonaut | Hi, is there any way when using cat to delete the lines I extracted ? |
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| 10:39.00 | themill | Pinchiukas: mailx is a MUA not an MTA. Something is wanting the "mailx" package to be able to send you mails about things that don't work. "aptitude why mailx" might tell you why (mysql packages don't require it) |
| 10:39.38 | ksk | Psychonaut: what? |
| 10:39.41 | Psychonaut | like cat oldfile | grep "some lines" > newfile |
| 10:40.06 | Psychonaut | so the extracted lines should be atomatically deleted |
| 10:40.12 | Psychonaut | *automatically |
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| 10:40.41 | themill | grep -v ? |
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| 10:42.17 | Psychonaut | I don´t know |
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| 10:43.02 | ectospasm | Psychonaut: or use sed -i 's/^MATCHING_STUFF$//' |
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| 10:43.10 | ectospasm | assuming you know the whole line |
| 10:43.19 | ectospasm | or grep -v will work too |
| 10:43.37 | ectospasm | grep -v "search_string" oldfile > newfile |
| 10:43.57 | ectospasm | (-v only prints nonmatching lines) |
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| 10:45.53 | ectospasm | Psychonaut: ^ |
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| 10:49.02 | squeezy | I just made the shift to testing, and am having trouble with applications connecting to the internet.Pidgin and Empathy aren't connecting whereas Xchat and Iceweasel and Chromium are |
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| 10:51.13 | squeezy | also, the network manager shows the wired network as 'unmanaged' |
| 10:51.46 | squeezy | and the options button is grayed out |
| 10:51.52 | squeezy | im on GNOME3 |
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| 10:52.41 | thewanderer1 | squeezy, use network-manager to connect, or disable it completely, otherwise apps assume that you're using n-m and that you're disconnected |
| 10:53.07 | krion | hi |
| 10:53.27 | krion | i was wondering why dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't set LC_ALL ? |
| 10:53.39 | squeezy | theres no such command as network-manager |
| 10:53.58 | engla | krion: why? |
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| 10:54.10 | [sr] | howdy |
| 10:54.18 | [sr] | guys, i need to enable php-services-json |
| 10:54.25 | [sr] | but i'm not sure how to do it or where |
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| 10:54.29 | [sr] | can someone light me up |
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| 10:54.42 | krion | engla: because one of my java dev say that's what it make troube into is sendemail apps |
| 10:54.53 | [sr] | wasn't supposed to have a module in usr/lib/php5/ |
| 10:54.55 | [sr] | ? |
| 10:55.12 | squeezy | thewanderer1, also could you help me enabling fallback mode? |
| 10:55.33 | squeezy | i go to settings then system then graphics |
| 10:55.58 | ectospasm | you need to enable fallback mode in GDM3 |
| 10:56.06 | ectospasm | ...when starting your GNOME3 session |
| 10:56.22 | squeezy | ectospasm, how exactly? |
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| 10:56.32 | ectospasm | logout, change your session, log back in |
| 10:56.43 | squeezy | change my session to what? |
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| 10:56.49 | ectospasm | GNOME Fallback |
| 10:56.56 | squeezy | okay |
| 10:56.59 | squeezy | ill try that |
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| 10:58.01 | squeezy | no such option as GNOME fallback |
| 10:58.23 | squeezy | i got GNOME and GNOME Classic |
| 10:58.37 | boudiccas | then try gnome classic |
| 10:58.45 | squeezy | okay |
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| 10:59.28 | ectospasm | oops, I was confused. I was referring to GNOME Classic (which is what I use with XMonad) |
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| 10:59.53 | squeezy | worked.thanks a lot |
| 11:00.18 | [sr] | boudiccas: do have any idea on my situation, on how to enable php-services-json ? |
| 11:00.21 | engla | krion: it doesn't make sense to me. configuring LANG is enough, check that you don't override with LC_* elsewhere |
| 11:01.25 | boudiccas | [sr]: no, i dont use wheezy |
| 11:01.37 | [sr] | boudiccas: in any level |
| 11:02.26 | Pinchiukas | themill: thanks, got mixed up. :) |
| 11:02.39 | krion | checked, thank for the advice, troubleshooting charset problem is so annoying... |
| 11:03.03 | squeezy | still cant get the network to work |
| 11:03.33 | thewanderer1 | [sr], why do you need php-services-json? does your PHP build not contain a built-in JSON encoder/decoder? |
| 11:05.31 | [sr] | thewanderer1: it doesn't seems to be enabled... |
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| 11:05.55 | [sr] | thewanderer1: i'm using the php5 packages from debian |
| 11:06.28 | thewanderer1 | [sr], so am I - and json is enabled |
| 11:06.50 | [sr] | thewanderer1: hum, im having a problem with joomla 2.5 |
| 11:07.03 | thewanderer1 | [sr], check your phpinfo() - there is a JSON section |
| 11:07.10 | [sr] | thewanderer1: sec |
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| 11:14.55 | aswen | Dmitrijus, thanks! |
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| 11:17.09 | [sr] | thewanderer1: ok it's enabled |
| 11:17.15 | [sr] | thewanderer1: version 1.2.1 |
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| 11:23.36 | thewanderer1 | [sr], then you don't need to install php-services-json, as the functions already exist |
| 11:23.58 | [sr] | thewanderer1: get it, thanks, have to figure why joomla says I don't have JSON |
| 11:23.59 | [sr] | :s |
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| 11:55.47 | jeredepp | hello everyone, nohup is supposed to return to the terminal immediatly right? i got a shellscript which executes another script, now when i run the initialscript it gives me the output of the script called in the script. Now when i runnohup ./initScript & it won't return to the terminal and instead waits for the script to complete, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 11:57.58 | bzed | jeredepp: don't use nohup for init scripts. use start-stop-daemon |
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| 11:58.48 | jeredepp | i just called it init script :), it's aascript wich checks if the script it has to call is allready running |
| 11:59.46 | jeredepp | if not it lets it run, if it's allready running, it exits |
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| 12:02.46 | e-anima | is it possible to compile a single cpp file to an *.so |
| 12:03.20 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i just accidently deleted an important folder ( just now ) ..... any way to restore it ? |
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| 12:04.54 | cantido | e-anima: do you understand how libraries work? |
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| 12:05.15 | e-anima | in code or that i can load them via, for example php.ini`? |
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| 12:05.54 | e-anima | cantido i only changed a single function name and want to recompile it. thats my aim |
| 12:05.54 | cantido | e-anima: read a tutorial about shared libraries.. |
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| 12:06.05 | e-anima | ok |
| 12:06.14 | cantido | e-anima: and it doesnt have anything with it build or docs on how to build it? |
| 12:06.30 | e-anima | sure, its the whole graphviz package src |
| 12:06.45 | cantido | so why not just rebuild the package? |
| 12:06.59 | e-anima | you mean the whole like ./configure and then make |
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| 12:07.13 | cantido | e-anima: is it a debian package? |
| 12:07.26 | e-anima | yep i got the source out of the squeeze repo |
| 12:08.53 | cantido | e-anima: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html .. you should be able to find what you need to rebuild the package in there |
| 12:09.00 | e-anima | thx |
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| 12:15.53 | boudiccas | cobra-the-joker: i'm not a guy but i'll still answer you, yes, restore from backup. you do have backups right? |
| 12:16.04 | cobra-the-joker | no i dont |
| 12:16.15 | boudiccas | cobra-the-joker: oops! |
| 12:16.25 | cobra-the-joker | no recover for all for linux ? |
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| 12:17.06 | e-anima | i guess when running dpkg-buildpackage and its shows dpkg-checkbuilddeps: libxaw7-dev bison flex pdksh libperl-dev libgd2-noxpm-dev (>= 2.0.35) lua5.1 l .. it need these packages to be installed wit aptitude right? |
| 12:17.07 | boudiccas | conrabye bye directory then |
| 12:17.16 | cobra-the-joker | :S |
| 12:17.21 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: which filesystem ? |
| 12:17.27 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman: ext4 |
| 12:17.37 | boudiccas | cobra-the-joker: bye bye directory then! |
| 12:17.52 | abrotman | eh .. NFC then .. ext2/3 had some level of undelete .. wonky at best .. not sure about ext4 |
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| 12:18.36 | cobra-the-joker | some one directed me to extundelete |
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| 12:20.21 | boudiccas | cobra-the-joker: how did you delete it? is it still in your trash can? |
| 12:20.36 | cobra-the-joker | shift + delete :S |
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| 12:21.10 | boudiccas | cobra-the-joker: its gone for good then |
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| 12:23.33 | vampirnata | the the same in windows though, if you shift delete it's pretty much gone without using undelete software |
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| 12:24.10 | vampirnata | cobra-the-joker: don't write anything else to the disk and then search google for undelete software |
| 12:24.22 | jogetwoo | Realtek ALC892 sound card does anyone normal recording:) |
| 12:24.35 | vampirnata | I believe there are a few live cd distros with an undelete utility |
| 12:26.04 | cobra-the-joker | vampirnata: ok |
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| 12:26.28 | jogetwoo | Realtek ALC892 sound card does anyone normal recording:) |
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| 12:31.07 | e-anima | hm if i try to install "libgd2-noxpm-dev" required for dpkg-buildpackage of the current src it wants to remove libgd2-xpm php5-gd. i do not want to remove my pgp5-gd support ... any tips? |
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| 12:31.59 | cobra-the-joker | omg ... that was fast |
| 12:32.08 | cobra-the-joker | extundelete worked very fast |
| 12:32.10 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 12:32.34 | boudiccas | cobra-the-joker: ah, good. but now you see the value of having backups ? |
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| 12:33.13 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
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| 12:34.24 | jelly | is sligthly surprised noone called cobra-the-joker on asking at the same time in ##linux as well |
| 12:34.57 | nsadmin | you can compare it to savegames in a 6-dvd rpg/shooter |
| 12:35.03 | boudiccas | jellynot in ##linux too so didnt know there was a multi-post |
| 12:35.26 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: it was an imergency ... i wasn't spamming |
| 12:35.36 | cobra-the-joker | but maybe someone here will say ... that's not a debian issue |
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| 13:01.07 | simonlnu | innit just snd-dummy (which you stick in /etc/modules) ? |
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| 13:02.48 | joar | gnome-shell won't start for me since a power outage. |
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| 13:03.08 | joar | I'm using ext3 on an SSD, but that doesn't have to be the problem. |
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| 13:03.25 | joar | it was weeks ago, and several apt-get dist-upgrades since last reboot |
| 13:03.43 | joar | gdm3 starts fine, but the gnome-shell won't appear. |
| 13:03.46 | boudiccas | joar: does it work with a reboot? |
| 13:03.55 | engla | also check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:04.19 | abrotman | joar: tried with a newly created user? |
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| 13:04.42 | simonlnu | or fscking? |
| 13:04.50 | joar | failed to execute child process update-notifier |
| 13:05.23 | abrotman | re-install package? |
| 13:05.34 | simonlnu | BIG_Yack: innit just snd-dummy (which you stick in /etc/modules) ? |
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| 13:06.07 | joar | also xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update |
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| 13:06.48 | joar | installing both xdg-user-dirs-gtk and update-notifier |
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| 13:07.34 | simonlnu | BIG_Yack: try modprobe snd-dummy first |
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| 13:08.45 | joar | "Unable to initialize Clutter: Unable to find suitable fbconfig for the GLX context" |
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| 13:09.08 | joar | found that one in my .xsession-errors |
| 13:09.13 | LittleFool | Hi, could someone point me to a howto build a kernal? Someone once gave me a good one but i lost it :/ |
| 13:09.32 | joar | engla: ^^ |
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| 13:11.27 | vampirnata | is slightly suprised that he didn't get a thank you for helping cobra-the-joker :p |
| 13:11.50 | abrotman | happens, people run off |
| 13:11.51 | joar | vampirnata: thank you! |
| 13:12.09 | abrotman | !tell LittleFool about kp mantra |
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| 13:12.27 | vampirnata | abrotman: I know ;) I didn't mean anything by it. |
| 13:12.40 | vampirnata | joar: It's a pleasure, who are you? |
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| 13:12.47 | simonlnu | and it's 'kernel'. only amiga had 'kernal' |
| 13:13.02 | TensaiNiNaru | Hey I am running Debian GNU/Linux wheezy and have this error in messages.log : WARNING: at /build/buildd-linux-2.6_3.2.9-1-amd64-KTPapN/linux-2.6-3.2.9/debian/build/source_amd64_none/net/ipv4/tcp_input.c:3439 tcp_ack+0x71b/0x1658() |
| 13:13.02 | TensaiNiNaru | Anyone seen it before ? |
| 13:13.09 | vampirnata | And Kentucky had another type of kernel |
| 13:13.21 | joar | vampirnata: A debian user, who might have forgotten to thank someone at one time, but always tries to do so appropriately. |
| 13:13.32 | vampirnata | :) |
| 13:13.33 | simonlnu | spelled 'colonel' ;p |
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| 13:13.45 | vampirnata | Kernel Sanders |
| 13:13.47 | vampirnata | :p |
| 13:13.52 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 13:14.12 | LittleFool | abrotman: can i do a 'makemenu' or something like that before? cos i need to active the hyper-v modules |
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| 13:14.24 | abrotman | LittleFool: why aren't you using the Debian kernel ? |
| 13:14.52 | abrotman | TensaiNiNaru: what is "uname -r" ? |
| 13:15.01 | LittleFool | abrotman: i need the hyper-v modules for scsi drives and network |
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| 13:15.12 | TensaiNiNaru | 3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 13:15.15 | abrotman | LittleFool: yes, you can use make menuconfig |
| 13:15.17 | vampirnata | abrotman: it's used to see what kernel you are using |
| 13:15.19 | abrotman | TensaiNiNaru: uhm, okay ... |
| 13:15.35 | abrotman | vampirnata: wtf are you talkinga bout |
| 13:15.46 | LittleFool | im currently on 2.6.32-5 cos my 3.* hyperv is broken but i cant mount my 2nd drive without |
| 13:16.12 | abrotman | vampirnata: I am not the one looking for help .. pay attention |
| 13:16.26 | vampirnata | Terribly sorry. |
| 13:17.15 | joar | I will try a reboot to solve my clutter GLX issue. brb. |
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| 13:21.00 | vaq | Hello, I am trying to limit bandwidth to 10mbit, using tc. This is my commands: http://pastebin.ca/2172155 however these rules limits the connection to 10kb/s for some reason. Any ideas? |
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| 13:21.56 | cobra-the-joker | vampirnata: thanx ... i was so thrilled by by the result that i fogot lol |
| 13:22.16 | julianoliver | i've got a server far, far away that isn't coming up fully. the last line in syslog is: Jul 18 14:57:41 server-hostname /usr/sbin/cron[3161]: (CRON) INFO (Running @reboot jobs) |
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| 13:22.30 | julianoliver | does that indicate it's stuck on reboot jobs? |
| 13:22.49 | e-anima | dpkg-buildpackage: error: error-exitstatus of fakeroot debian/rules binary war 2 hm any ideas hwo to resove this. compiling an existing package isnt as easy as i though |
| 13:22.52 | Bauer1 | guys, in mysql server on Debian, in my.cnf file, I have this note: note: if you are setting up a replication slave, see README.Debian - where do I find the readme file for mysql? locate README.Debian |
| 13:22.56 | e-anima | aslo tried: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/ |
| 13:23.21 | Bauer1 | all I find is /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.1/README.Debian.gz but I dont suppose its how I should be reading it |
| 13:24.06 | stew | Bauer1: zless /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.1/README.Debian.gz |
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| 13:25.31 | Bauer1 | thanks Stephenjy |
| 13:25.33 | Bauer1 | stew |
| 13:25.34 | jano | hello everyone. is it correct to place my own files in /etc/cron.d, or is it solely for dpkg packages? I want to separate my crontabs by topics for easier automation |
| 13:25.36 | TensaiNiNaru | I am running a server on 3.2.0-2-amd64 Debian GNU/Linux wheezy which has gone down about 5-7 times last 3 months, still not been able to find the cause in the logs (only thing I found was the a warning I posted above). I know for sure its not the internet since I can access the server through ILO which I have used to restart the server each time. I have not been able to comfirm if the whole system crasched or if its just the network failing on the machine. |
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| 13:25.44 | joar | reinstalling my graphics drivers. |
| 13:25.49 | joar | reboot didn't help |
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| 13:26.39 | stew | TensaiNiNaru: have you tried memtest86+? |
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| 13:27.31 | TensaiNiNaru | not tried memtest86+ yet |
| 13:27.36 | simonlnu | check net/ipv4/tcp_input.c line 3439 and see what it says |
| 13:27.40 | vampirnata | cobra-the-joker: no problem :) Glad you got them back, as someone said before, looking into getting a backup set up |
| 13:27.42 | stew | joar: its intended for packages, but there should be no reason for you not to also use it as long as you don't conflict with filenames that might come from packages. note that files in that directory have an extra user column compared to a normal crontab entry |
| 13:27.51 | simonlnu | TensaiNiNaru: check net/ipv4/tcp_input.c line 3439 and see what it says |
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| 13:28.47 | guardian | should I favor evdev.conf or xorg.conf to customize keyboard layout? |
| 13:28.55 | guardian | sounds like both are equal but I prefer asking |
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| 13:31.25 | stew | guardian: does xorg.conf even exist? usually it doesn't |
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| 13:31.58 | stew | i customized my keyboard layout using udev |
| 13:32.14 | guardian | stew: so in /etc/udev? |
| 13:32.17 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 13:32.40 | simonlnu | wonders how stew managed that |
| 13:32.59 | guardian | and no I don't have xorg.conf either |
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| 13:33.14 | stew | evdev is probably far easier, but I wanted different layouts for different keyboards |
| 13:33.30 | cobra-the-joker | didn't hear xorg.conf from the days of debian 4 |
| 13:33.48 | stew | http://stew.vireo.org/blog/posts/Udev_and_multiple_keyboards/ |
| 13:34.11 | simonlnu | clicks |
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| 13:36.33 | simonlnu | nice |
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| 13:38.00 | vaq | Hello, I am trying to limit bandwidth to 10mbit, using tc. This is my commands: http://pastebin.ca/2172155 however these rules limits the connection to 10kb/s for some reason. Any ideas? |
| 13:38.05 | DammitJim | fundamental question: How do I make a program run as a normal user? I'm looking at Putty and Wireshark |
| 13:38.18 | DammitJim | both of those, I have to normally run as root :( and I don't think that's right |
| 13:38.26 | abrotman | is your X running as root ? |
| 13:38.44 | DammitJim | no |
| 13:38.57 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
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| 13:39.20 | DammitJim | please hold |
| 13:39.37 | stew | DammitJim: putty runs as root what? |
| 13:39.58 | abrotman | root user |
| 13:40.00 | abrotman | hides |
| 13:40.10 | julianoliver | DammitJim: you can't run Wireshark as normal user and capture packets. it needs link-layer permissions. |
| 13:40.18 | DammitJim | when I try to use my regular logged in user, I get that it couldn't open the USB port (/dev/ttyUSB0) |
| 13:40.41 | DammitJim | julianoliver, yeah, but I remember a while back I gave my user permissions to access those things |
| 13:40.57 | DammitJim | I think I added my user to some group, but after an upgrade, I lost all that |
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| 13:40.59 | stew | DammitJim: what group owns /dev/ttyUSB0? |
| 13:41.22 | DammitJim | group dialout |
| 13:41.27 | stew | there you go |
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| 13:41.57 | stew | i believe wireshark is always going to need root |
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| 13:43.10 | DammitJim | ok, I am going to add my user to that group |
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| 13:45.51 | DammitJim | usermod -a -G dialout DammitJim |
| 13:46.02 | DammitJim | but that didn't grant me access to the port in Putty |
| 13:46.26 | stew | what does this have to do with putty? |
| 13:47.00 | stew | DammitJim: you'd have to logout and back in before you get the permissions. adding groups to a user doesn't affect existing sessions |
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| 13:47.32 | DammitJim | oh, thanks for reminding me |
| 13:47.34 | DammitJim | brb |
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| 13:49.17 | ronny | hi |
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| 13:49.36 | ronny | im using systemd as init, acpi-fakekey cant be uninstalled claiming some stop action fails |
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| 13:51.59 | ratatata | nu |
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| 13:56.35 | lluis | hi |
| 13:57.16 | lluis | what browser are installed by default installation of debian wheezy with gnome? the same as squeeze (iceweasel and epiphany) ? |
| 13:58.23 | bassliner | systemd even arrived in debian? the end is near. |
| 13:58.28 | abrotman | lluis: epiphany at least |
| 13:58.51 | stew | bassliner: its available in testing/unstable, its certainly not the default |
| 13:58.59 | DammitJim | that worked |
| 13:59.00 | DammitJim | :D |
| 13:59.03 | DammitJim | I didn't know it was that simple |
| 13:59.10 | DammitJim | wireshark is a different problem, I guess |
| 13:59.14 | fasta | Is there some universal interface to automate dpkg-reconfigure scripts? |
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| 13:59.27 | abrotman | fasta: debconf --set-selections |
| 13:59.36 | fasta | abrotman: and how do I know what to set? |
| 14:00.05 | jiphex | fasta, dpkg --get-selections |
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| 14:00.12 | stew | debconf-set-selections |
| 14:00.17 | jiphex | er, that |
| 14:00.20 | stew | jiphex: no, debconf, not dpkg |
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| 14:01.10 | bassliner | stew: i have FEAR. |
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| 14:01.26 | stew | !comfort bassliner |
| 14:01.26 | dpkg | There, there, bassliner. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:01.34 | bassliner | dpkg: <3 |
| 14:01.34 | dpkg | bassliner: i haven't a clue |
| 14:01.38 | bassliner | :( |
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| 14:02.26 | abrotman | why is everyone so afraid of systemd ? |
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| 14:02.46 | DammitJim | interesting... for wireshark one just needs to use setcap so that the UI code runs as a regular user and the capture part is done as root |
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| 14:08.32 | fasta | stew: after setting some variables via debconf-set-selections, to actually apply the variables, I just do dpkg-reconfigure packagename? |
| 14:08.51 | fasta | stew: (and then it will actually shut up?) |
| 14:09.19 | fasta | stew: setting the variables is the part which is clear, getting it to actually use variables is not. |
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| 14:12.28 | e-anima | i dont get it. recompiling a package seems a mystery, always errors. i read tsuff for hours now, like this was my last try: http://www.ducea.com/2008/03/06/howto-recompile-debian-packages/ |
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| 14:13.08 | abrotman | is that your error? or a HOWTO ? |
| 14:13.15 | SimonSapin | Hi. I’m running "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y --force-yes" but APT still asks questions and blocks. Is there a --really-force-yes-im-sure option? |
| 14:13.16 | SimonSapin | (This is a throw-away VM, I don’t care if postgres is not restarted after a libc upgrade) |
| 14:13.20 | e-anima | howto, one sec im pasting error to pastebin |
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| 14:13.46 | e-anima | error is here: http://pastebin.com/b1zsitrz |
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| 14:15.41 | themill | SimonSapin: exactly what question are you being asked? |
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| 14:16.35 | Jaleks | (e-anima: might even more understandable with a 'LANG=CC dpkg-buildpackage' for most people) |
| 14:16.48 | e-anima | ok i redo |
| 14:17.12 | SimonSapin | themill: when upgrading libc6: "Running services and programs that are using NSS need to be restarted, otherwise they might not be able to do lookup or authentication any more." |
| 14:18.06 | e-anima | error in US: http://pastebin.com/Pa26VtDb |
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| 14:19.00 | Jaleks | e-anima: 'LANG=C' of course, no double 'CC', sry |
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| 14:19.35 | e-anima | uh i already did LANG=US and that seems to okr |
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| 14:20.03 | e-anima | ok no uhm single C what is US then |
| 14:20.10 | e-anima | ah C |
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| 14:20.22 | e-anima | ok error is oo because he fell back to C |
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| 14:20.57 | themill | SimonSapin: that's not apt that is asking the question, it's the maintainer script via debconf and DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive should be enough to suppress that. |
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| 14:21.14 | SimonSapin | themill: apparently it’s not |
| 14:21.23 | oznt | hi everyone I can't get read of a lintian error, can someone help me with building a package? |
| 14:21.27 | fasta | debconf-set-selections talks about the 'name' of questions. Where can I find these names? |
| 14:22.01 | SimonSapin | themill: you can see the logs at http://travis-ci.org/#!/Kozea/WeasyPrint/jobs/1895338 (scroll to the bottom) |
| 14:22.15 | SimonSapin | the command is at line 208 |
| 14:22.46 | themill | fasta: debconf-set-selections(1) also tells you that. |
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| 14:23.02 | fasta | themill: yeah, ok, but how do I apply these variables now? |
| 14:23.07 | themill | SimonSapin: sudo failure. |
| 14:23.11 | fasta | themill: I can change the database. |
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| 14:23.34 | fasta | themill: but I want the same effect to happen as when I do dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 14:23.47 | fasta | themill: dpkg-reconfigure -u package doesn't seem to work. |
| 14:23.49 | SimonSapin | themill: does sudo not pass environment variables? |
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| 14:24.23 | themill | SimonSapin: no, that's quite deliberate |
| 14:25.05 | themill | fasta: it would be easier to deal with specifics rather than hypotheticals |
| 14:26.29 | SimonSapin | themill: can I do better than this? sudo sh -c 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get ...' |
| 14:26.50 | fasta | themill: I do debconf-set-sections, then I do dpkg-reconfigure -i packagename, and then I observe that not the same effect has happened as when I would have specified those same variables manually in the dpkg-reconfigure curses interface. |
| 14:27.05 | fasta | set-selections* |
| 14:27.24 | e-anima | oh great. googled again and now finding my own pastebin from above.. |
| 14:28.10 | themill | fasta: -i? That's also not very specific. |
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| 14:28.20 | fasta | themill: -u |
| 14:28.52 | themill | SimonSapin: you can use env for this or reconfigure debconf on that machine to use non-interactive always. (that's pretty common for throw-away VMs and chroots) |
| 14:28.54 | e-anima | any other manual, howtos on how to recompile a debian source? |
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| 14:28.59 | fasta | themill: I just want to automate the answering and applying of dpkg-reconfigure. |
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| 14:29.05 | twobitsprite | er... |
| 14:29.29 | fasta | themill: the debconf part is easy, but getting it to apply is seemingly impossible. |
| 14:29.44 | SimonSapin | themill: I can not reconfigure the machine, but I’ll talk to the Travis support. Thanks |
| 14:29.52 | themill | fasta: well you've got that answer and all you've said in reply is that it doesn't work.... feel free to show real commands and real output at any time. |
| 14:30.09 | fasta | themill: I just want to know what the 'contract' is. |
| 14:30.27 | fasta | themill: what is supposed to happen when I do dpkg-reconfigure -u package? |
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| 14:30.42 | fasta | themill: I expect it to fill in the answers using debconf and then apply it. |
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| 14:31.06 | fasta | themill: but apparently it doesn't do that, so either I am expecting the wrong thing or there is a bug. |
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| 14:31.45 | themill | fasta: please spend some time to put together real output so we can look at this properly... stop wasting our time. |
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| 14:36.25 | SimonSapin | themill: always non-interactive debconf, is that in /etc/debconf.conf ? |
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| 14:40.59 | themill | SimonSapin: I've always used debconf to reconfigure this, but yes, the frontend can be configured there too |
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| 14:41.31 | SimonSapin | themill: using debconf to reconfigure debconf? How? |
| 14:41.48 | themill | "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
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| 14:46.05 | e-anima | ha now i just got the source with "apt-get source graphviz" and the run "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc" ...fail http://pastebin.com/LnuWtJqa |
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| 14:46.49 | e-anima | so i am starting to think is only not working here. dunno why |
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| 14:48.59 | sney | e-anima: askin #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:49.09 | e-anima | ak ok, thx |
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| 14:49.34 | themill | well... #d-mentors is about making new packages, not just recompiling existing ones |
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| 14:50.05 | mroe | what is the correct way to rename a machine? |
| 14:50.17 | e-anima | well my intention was to modify the package BUT to be sure i didnt screw everything i just tried to recompile it |
| 14:50.55 | boudiccas | mroe: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:51.02 | mroe | rename a host |
| 14:51.09 | themill | !hostname |
| 14:51.09 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 14:51.16 | mroe | I did that |
| 14:51.23 | themill | mroe: ^^ you'll find there are lots of other places where the hostname is hidden away too |
| 14:51.23 | mroe | but syslog is still using the old hostname |
| 14:51.55 | stew | mroe: what does the "hostname" command return? |
| 14:52.07 | mroe | the new name |
| 14:52.09 | themill | e-anima: exactly which version of the graphviz package are you trying to compile here? |
| 14:52.12 | boudiccas | (15:51:51) boudiccas: i would imagine you have to reboot for the new name to take effect |
| 14:52.23 | mroe | boudiccas: did that |
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| 14:52.56 | e-anima | latest stable from squeeze, its 2.26.3-5 |
| 14:53.04 | stew | e-anima: did you run "apt-get build-dep graphviz"? |
| 14:53.09 | e-anima | yep |
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| 14:55.05 | themill | e-anima: and you're compiling this on a squeeze machine? |
| 14:55.12 | e-anima | yep |
| 14:55.17 | e-anima | everything squeeze |
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| 14:55.32 | e-anima | stable |
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| 14:56.30 | non0mito | Hi there, i have installed Debian 6.0.5-i386 CD1 only since the netinstall isn't |
| 14:56.30 | non0mito | possible in my case, and so it is becoming a headache that i have to install too many basic packages manually |
| 14:56.40 | non0mito | isn't there any way to automatically install them ? |
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| 14:57.31 | engla | non0mito: get more cds or dvds and add those as sources, then you can use apt |
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| 14:58.26 | Jaleks | non0mito: maybe 'tasksel' is an option for you |
| 14:58.44 | non0mito | the problem is that there was missing packages of the system that were already on the CD1 and had to install them manually |
| 14:59.21 | stew | non0mito: can you give us an example? |
| 14:59.30 | non0mito | gcc |
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| 14:59.52 | non0mito | gcc was already on the CD1 and had to install it manually |
| 14:59.59 | e-anima | what the hell is this dpkg source doing: cp: cannot stat `/usr/lib/graphviz/perl/libgv_perl.so': No such file or directory, he trys to stat stuff that the packae would create if one installs it |
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| 15:01.37 | Jaleks | non0mito, being on the cd does not mean it will automatically be installed, it's just a collection of often used and important packages on the cd. |
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| 15:04.19 | non0mito | Jaleks : are there anyway to get all those packages on the CD installed instead of 'dpkg --install' everytime ? |
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| 15:05.18 | stew | non0mito: no, you wouldn't want that, but you should be using something like "apt-get install packagename" not "dpkg --install /path/to/.deb" |
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| 15:05.40 | Jaleks | non0mito: there might bve ways, but why would you want that... but instead of dpkg for singel installtion you should use 'apt' via 'aptitude' or 'apt-get install PACKAGNAME' |
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| 15:06.13 | Jaleks | that will take all dependencies with it, when needed |
| 15:06.50 | docgnome | I'm running testing but i've installed the emacs24 package from unstable via apt pinning. I don't seem to have the manual for it though... does anyone know if this is in some separate package? |
| 15:07.32 | Jaleks | non0mito: and perhaps you still want to have a look at 'tasksel' for a quick start |
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| 15:08.45 | stew | omg, i didn't know emacs24 was in debian now |
| 15:09.06 | stew | docgnome: yes, the manual isn't in debian since it is non-free, but its in debian's non-free repository instead |
| 15:09.25 | stew | docgnome: emacs24-common-non-dfsg |
| 15:09.38 | docgnome | hrm. i just installed that and still no manual |
| 15:10.01 | docgnome | OH! there is. had to reload emacs. sorry |
| 15:10.05 | docgnome | stew: thanks |
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| 15:11.19 | themill | e-anima: the package built find for me in a clean build environment |
| 15:11.53 | non0mito | Jaleks, stew : i am not using apt-get because i don't have an internet connexion on that Debian machine and i am trying to install the critical sagem f@st modem |
| 15:12.23 | stew | non0mito: apt-get doesn't need an internet connection, it can use cds |
| 15:12.53 | Jaleks | non0mito: see 'man sources.list' |
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| 15:22.27 | e-anima | themill ok thx then its my system :( |
| 15:23.11 | themill | this might be a missing build-conflict, of course. |
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| 15:27.05 | waqstar | What is the command to bring a network interface up? |
| 15:27.25 | arvind_khadri | waqstar, ifup |
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| 15:28.45 | waqstar | Ifup gives this error. Ifup wlan0, ignoring interface wlan0=wlan0 |
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| 15:36.11 | e-anima | themill i did "apt-get build-dep graphviz" that should get alll deps. |
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| 15:38.37 | hiwk | I'm using gnome classic, and I'm trying to view the panel clock's location list, but it does not fit on the screen |
| 15:38.41 | hiwk | http://hiwk.se/~joel/scr.png see what I mean? |
| 15:38.44 | haole | what is the best way to make gtk apps look good in wheezy's kde? |
| 15:38.53 | hiwk | how can I make it more compact? like remove the analog clocks? |
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| 15:39.00 | sney | haole: it's considered rude to ask the same question in both #debian channels |
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| 15:41.43 | BabyCorporate | hi |
| 15:41.58 | sney | hi |
| 15:42.05 | BabyCorporate | i am trying to use wired and wireless networks for diff applications |
| 15:42.35 | BabyCorporate | now i got pidgin and irc working on wireless |
| 15:42.52 | BabyCorporate | but now seems like terminal is also using wireless lol |
| 15:43.00 | BabyCorporate | and so it ceweasel |
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| 15:43.16 | BabyCorporate | wat da hel |
| 15:43.39 | sney | what does 'ip route' say is the default? |
| 15:44.17 | BabyCorporate | wlan |
| 15:44.30 | BabyCorporate | then default eth0 |
| 15:45.32 | sney | what method are you using to send applications to one interface or the other? |
| 15:45.52 | BabyCorporate | well i basicly jus need xchat |
| 15:46.02 | BabyCorporate | on wlan |
| 15:46.16 | BabyCorporate | so i am using networks tab in preferences |
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| 15:49.33 | sney | you should be able to remove the default entry for wlan and only have a default for eth0, if xchat returns a 'no route to host' on connect you can make an entry for the wireless gateway, or if your wired and wireless networks both use the same gateway, the irc server itself |
| 15:50.00 | BabyCorporate | how :/ |
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| 15:50.24 | sney | 'man ip' |
| 15:50.37 | sney | a route entry is pretty self explanatory imho |
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| 16:09.01 | ocx | how can you restore a hidden screen region that was hidden using Control ^A Q |
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| 16:28.38 | keetonh | Is HAProxy a good choice for load balancing? |
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| 16:31.51 | xaionaro | keetonh: I prefer to use DNS round robin (multiple A-records for one domain name) |
| 16:31.54 | ksk | keetonh: dunno, but its a big name afaik. alternative would be "linux virtual server" and some toolchain like lvs+keepalived+ipvsadm |
| 16:32.13 | ksk | xaionaro: thats a different "leaque" imho :P |
| 16:32.17 | xaionaro | dns-rr + keepalived |
| 16:32.25 | xaionaro | ok :) |
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| 16:32.34 | stew | keetonh: sure |
| 16:32.47 | keetonh | Is this the right place for that question? |
| 16:32.50 | ksk | but, mhm, dunno. if you can control it with keepalived it may be worth a look. just thought it would not really be an option |
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| 16:35.22 | ocx | how can i restore the screen layout "regions" of my screen display when i use ControlA x |
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| 16:41.00 | superstraw | ocx: eh? what do you mean layout "regions"? I know some programs don't work nicely with screen, but it should resize automagically. |
| 16:41.04 | Jaleks | ocx: no idea what your are talking about ^^ |
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| 16:41.50 | superstraw | sounds like tmux issues |
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| 16:42.28 | Jaleks | ocx: what about 'C-a C-l'? |
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| 16:43.04 | ocx | i have 1 window that is split into several regions using control a S and control a | |
| 16:43.13 | ocx | now when i lock the window using control a x |
| 16:43.26 | ocx | the layout is not restored when i unlock |
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| 16:44.03 | tgs3_ | hi, using Debian 7, Alpha 1, 386 Net Install from today - no APT mirror works |
| 16:44.06 | tgs3_ | all are reported as bad |
| 16:44.07 | ocx | the regions are there but the layout is lost, means you can nagivate into "full screen" to each of the reach but you cannot see them all at once in the layou that was designed\ |
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| 16:44.21 | tgs3_ | is debian testing 7 alpha 1 installable or is that some bug? |
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| 16:44.45 | Devastator | tgs3_ did you get from devel dir? |
| 16:44.55 | somiaj | tgs3_: the standard way to install wheezy (or testing) is to use a stable netinstaller and then dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 16:44.58 | tgs3_ | Devastator: the iso image? |
| 16:45.11 | tgs3_ | somiaj: oh. |
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| 16:45.36 | boudiccas | tg3its is called 'testing' for a reason, because it is testing and not stabilised. some/all bits of it may be broken. maybe you found a broken bit? |
| 16:45.37 | somiaj | tgs3_: You could check the bug reports on the debian-installer, or check out #debian-next on irc.oftc.net if you really want to test the new installer. |
| 16:45.44 | ocx | Jaleks? |
| 16:45.53 | Devastator | tgs3_ yes |
| 16:45.53 | ocx | what is ca cl |
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| 16:46.28 | somiaj | tgs3_: but if you just want to install wheezy, use a stable netinstaller, install a base system, dist upgrade, then continue the install to pull in the software you want. |
| 16:46.44 | Jaleks | "C-a C-l (redisplay) Fully refresh current window." says the man page, but that will not be realted to the layout i am afraid |
| 16:46.59 | redux101 | help... did minimal net install, expert install, allowed root login, didn't create an account. but can't login as root from the fresh install. |
| 16:47.44 | tgs3_ | somiaj: thanks |
| 16:47.53 | tgs3_ | thanks for wasting 3 hours for me and my coworkers :) |
| 16:48.10 | tgs3_ | maybe someone should write in big letters to NOT get isos of debian-testing and instead use debian stable iso + update. |
| 16:48.14 | boudiccas | tgs3_: dont blame us for your trying to use a testing install |
| 16:48.29 | tgs3_ | boudiccas: what was I thinking trying to try debian testing. |
| 16:48.37 | Devastator | hehe, testing is write in big letters |
| 16:48.39 | tgs3_ | I expect some breakage but not not installing at all... |
| 16:48.53 | tgs3_ | again. some breakge, not expected it to be uninstallab |
| 16:49.36 | Devastator | oh, and the installer can't be tested? ok |
| 16:49.39 | tgs3_ | can we, on the debian Testing page, write in red letters to not download .iso but to instead install stable and then upgrade, as I just was told here? |
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| 16:49.49 | Jaleks | debian can be installed by any chicken in under 20 minutes, if not you are on testing/unstable ;-) |
| 16:50.10 | tgs3_ | Devastator: ok so is that a rare bug that I found, or is it "obvious" to install by stable+updating? |
| 16:50.36 | Devastator | tgs3_ testing installer works someday and others don't, it's in development |
| 16:51.01 | tgs3_ | I thought thats experimental... isnt testing going to be frozen and released |
| 16:51.27 | boudiccas | testing/wheezy is frozen, as of 30 june |
| 16:51.27 | stew | tgs3_: it was frozen already with the intention of eventually realeasing it, yes |
| 16:51.45 | redux101 | ummm... |
| 16:52.12 | Jaleks | frozen, yes - the release can then still last a while. the warnings that only stable is stable has always be taken serious (unfortunately) |
| 16:52.21 | tgs3_ | stew: so we found actuall bug? |
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| 16:52.41 | stew | tgs3_: huh? |
| 16:52.47 | Jaleks | redux101: after the reboot no login is impossible? debian stable? |
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| 16:53.02 | tgs3_ | stew: can't install debian testing from netinstall - all mirrors said that mirror is not working/broken |
| 16:53.12 | Jaleks | s/im// |
| 16:53.17 | somiaj | tgs3_: it is never suggested to install debian testing...the name itself is supose to say hey if you don't know about debian use the offical supported stable version. |
| 16:53.22 | stew | tgs3_: did you check the errata? |
| 16:53.38 | tgs3_ | stew: even debian.org mirror, as well as normal country mirrors, using it the normal way as always worked.. networking was working since "wget http://google.com" was working in ctrl-alt-f3 |
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| 16:53.51 | tgs3_ | stew: nope, which errata? |
| 16:54.00 | stew | tgs3_: you are using a testing installer? |
| 16:54.23 | tgs3_ | stew: yes, Alpha 1 Debian 7 386 netinstall iso |
| 16:54.47 | redux101 | Jaleks: stable. only root account set up: enabled and password created. no other account. can't login as root. |
| 16:54.55 | stew | tgs3_: right, the home page for the testing installer wans you to check the errata before downloading it |
| 16:55.10 | stew | tgs3_: but in any case, what mirror are you trying to use, and what exact error are you getting? |
| 16:55.54 | Jaleks | redux101: CAPS lock on password entry? ;-) for serious: is there an error message or does it just not accept the password? |
| 16:55.55 | somiaj | tgs3_: there is also an offical channel on irc.oftc.net (offical debian irc network) for discussing the testing installer. They may have more useful info for your issues if you want to actually test the installer. |
| 16:56.01 | tgs3_ | stew: used the mirror that always worked, and co uk mirror, and debian.org mirror, as it always works for us. Didnt write down message but it was the standard message that mirror does not work or is broken etc |
| 16:56.12 | stew | tgs3_: which mirrors are those? |
| 16:56.33 | tgs3_ | can not connect to mirror server etc |
| 16:56.39 | stew | which mirror server? |
| 16:56.40 | redux101 | Jaleks: no message, just "incorrect password" |
| 16:56.44 | tgs3_ | stew: the default (1st on list) for Poland, and then for UL |
| 16:56.48 | tgs3_ | stew: ..for UK |
| 16:56.51 | stew | which is that? |
| 16:57.04 | redux101 | Jaleks: or "incorrect" something, maybe "incorrect login", i'm re-installing |
| 16:57.35 | tgs3_ | stew: already installing again hmm don't remember it now |
| 16:57.39 | boudiccas | redux101: okay but please create a user |
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| 16:57.59 | stew | tgs3_: ok, so what exactly is your goal here? how can we help you? |
| 16:58.12 | Jaleks | redux101: might be the best, in that case, maybe take a simple pass at first... |
| 16:58.18 | tgs3_ | stew: well no, can I help you, by reporting this error |
| 16:58.26 | redux101 | boudiccas: i have no interest in creating a user account. i emphatically do not want one. |
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| 16:58.55 | stew | tgs3_: ok, did you report it? |
| 16:59.02 | redux101 | Jaleks: the password is simple. |
| 16:59.27 | stew | tgs3_: thnere is an installation-report package, and there is the debian-installer pseudo package |
| 16:59.51 | stew | tgs3_: however, you really need more specific information before you can report a useful bug |
| 17:00.00 | stew | tgs3_: not just "i was using some mirror and got some error" |
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| 17:00.15 | tgs3_ | stew: we will report it then |
| 17:00.36 | stew | tgs3_: you should verify that the mirrors work from some working install |
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| 17:01.12 | tgs3_ | stew: btw, we are quite sure it was ALL servers that do not work (tried over 10 servers) |
| 17:01.34 | stew | how would you know that? |
| 17:01.44 | tgs3_ | by trying 10 |
| 17:01.49 | FilipeMaia | Hi. Is there any mdadm mode where read errors are propagated to the user instead of triggering a disk being kicked out of the array. I'm trying to recover data from a failed RAID 5 and it's a pain to force assemble after every read error. |
| 17:01.49 | stew | that seems inconclusive |
| 17:01.54 | redux101 | Jaleks; boudiccas: using LILO.. and several custom settings in expert install, but i don't see how any setting could botch the login except the root setup details which are straightforward |
| 17:01.56 | tgs3_ | stew: ok, well, most |
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| 17:02.05 | tgs3_ | ok.. MANY to be precise |
| 17:02.07 | stew | tgs3_: did you check for errors in the console? |
| 17:02.18 | stew | tgs3_: did the machines have network connectivity at all? |
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| 17:02.45 | tgs3_ | stew: yeap as said already, wget http://google.com worked, so network connectivity was ok |
| 17:03.18 | tgs3_ | also we install debians few times a month as we just did the same thing as always but this time Testing Alpha1 instead stable |
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| 17:04.14 | stew | tgs3_: if your goal is to help test the development installer that is the way to go. if your goal is to actually install wheezy, our recommendation is to install squeeze and upgrade |
| 17:04.36 | Jaleks | redux101: never had any similar problems, sorry. last three install this months were also no problem (stable DVDs amd64). just do a basic reinstall, add a user at first, you still can delete it after all is done |
| 17:04.40 | redux101 | "Login incorrect" |
| 17:04.53 | abrotman | And that alpha1 installer is fairly old at this point |
| 17:06.16 | tgs3_ | abrotman: maybe new installer should be published to testing then? |
| 17:06.30 | abrotman | they have a daily image |
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| 17:06.56 | abrotman | but stew is still correct .. if you want to test the installer, you use those images, if you want to use testing, install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 17:07.57 | tgs3_ | abrotman: dist-upgrade will produce fairly usable system, as in, most things should rather work? because if enve installation failed does it not mean testing overall is very far from being ok for everyday use |
| 17:08.19 | abrotman | that's the idea .. if it doesn't, we're not doing our jobs |
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| 17:13.28 | ironm | hello. Is it possible to limit the number of cores for particular daemons (eg. mysqdl) ? |
| 17:13.41 | ironm | mysqld |
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| 17:14.18 | Jaleks | tgs3_: that can change from day to day i'd say. atm my wheezy/sid runs fine, no problem with any of my standard programs (except of gvidm) |
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| 17:14.51 | stew | tgs3_: testing is not intended for everyday use. the only reason it is still testing is that there are still hundreds of known release critical bugs |
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| 17:15.02 | abrotman | ironm: isn't that what cpusets are for ? |
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| 17:15.21 | rooisto47 | is there any IEs4Linux user ? I can't run it, I'm having error messages after choosing the IE version to run ... can anyone help me ? |
| 17:15.30 | abrotman | ironm: or taskset |
| 17:15.59 | ironm | abrotman, thank you. I will check both possibilities |
| 17:16.06 | boudiccas | rooisto47: internet explorer is just for ms windows, we dont support that here |
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| 17:16.53 | rooisto47 | boudiccas: well it's about IEs4linux (wich is an open source software made for linux as it's name says) |
| 17:16.57 | jordanm | rooisto47: its unmaintained... good luck |
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| 17:17.16 | jordanm | also, its not distributed by debian, and thus not supported here |
| 17:17.25 | rooisto47 | jordanm: yes :( |
| 17:18.10 | rooisto47 | jordanm: you think the errors are caused by new dependencies version |
| 17:18.12 | rooisto47 | ? |
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| 17:19.07 | Jaleks | rooisto47: maybe you have more luck with 'winetricks ie8' |
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| 17:24.27 | redux101 | Jaleks: sounds like a workaround. it doesn't seem right that i can't login as root. |
| 17:25.05 | Jaleks | redux101: agreed that it should work |
| 17:25.10 | rooisto47 | Jaleks: thanks I'll take a look |
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| 17:25.43 | redux101 | Jaleks: i selected "no" to "shadow passwords" |
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| 17:26.49 | redux101 | Jaleks: actually i think the password might've been too short |
| 17:26.50 | Jaleks | redux101: you shouldn't but it should work nevertheless. sorry i can't be helpfull |
| 17:27.15 | redux101 | Jaleks: but it didn't give me an error message, so i don't know |
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| 17:54.46 | jhutchins_wk | !forgot root password |
| 17:54.46 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 18:23.45 | karsten | So, there's stow, and a few other utilities that are used for managing third-party apps. But I forget names... |
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| 18:25.51 | karsten | Anyone? |
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| 18:32.59 | simonlnu | karsten: paco, check-install |
| 18:33.03 | dkr | karsten: dpkg-buildpackage? ;) |
| 18:33.23 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 18:36.24 | stew | rm? |
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| 18:47.41 | karsten | simonlnu: I think check-install may have been another one. |
| 18:47.53 | karsten | stew: That has been known to solve a great many problems. |
| 18:48.26 | karsten | dkr: And your suggestion really isn't a bad one. I'm a fan of packageing for, you know, package management. |
| 18:48.27 | jesselang | I'm seeing increased load after resuming from a suspend on Debian testing. Anyone have insight on this? |
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| 18:50.48 | jesselang | linux-image 3.2.0-2. |
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| 18:53.04 | himuraken | Afternoon all. Just ran a full install of the current Wheezy ISO and things went well. Now during boot, I make it past grub but it hangs and tosses a handfull of nouveau messages and hangs. From googling I can see that it is an issue, so I booted into rescue mode from install media, removed nouveau* and tried installing nvidia proprietary drivers. No luck, they wont install. |
| 18:53.19 | karsten | jesselang: What's on your run list? |
| 18:53.28 | himuraken | Any suggestions? |
| 18:53.46 | karsten | jesselang: ... any zombie processes? Could be something was talking over the network and is stuck. |
| 18:54.12 | himuraken | I checked apt-cache search nvidia while booted/mounted from install cd and nouveau is all that was returned that seemed relevant. TIA |
| 18:54.45 | DammitJim | is there a mips chatroom? I'm trying to cross compile stuff on Debian to mips, but I am struggling |
| 18:55.20 | jesselang | karsten, I'll start looking in that direction, thanks. |
| 18:55.43 | karsten | jesselang: netstat can be helpful there. |
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| 18:56.08 | karsten | jesselang: Generally, high load average without corresponding CPU usage means you've got tasks on the run queue blocking for IO. Generally disk or network. Look for those. |
| 18:56.20 | karsten | Given it's post-resume, my bet is on network. |
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| 18:57.01 | jesselang | linux-image 3.2.0-3 gives me an increased load after boot. Don't even need to suspend and resume. Of course, probably a different issue altogether. |
| 18:57.06 | karsten | If you can identify these with services, you might want to include a restart of these in your resume script. If it's some browser tab (try killing/restarting your browser session) it may be a badly-behaved Ajax app. |
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| 18:58.40 | jesselang | karsten, that's all very helpful. Thanks for the tips. |
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| 19:03.55 | jesselang | karsten, what tool should I use for checking for load caused by disk IO? |
| 19:04.53 | karsten | jesselang: vmstat is good for starters. 'vmstat 4' will show you iowait time (if disk activity is slowing you down). |
| 19:05.52 | karsten | There's also iotop which shows processes using disk, though gnerally what you want to look for is zombie processes in your process table (top, ps, htop, etc.). |
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| 19:07.31 | jesselang | I seem to be getting some blocking on the out side of disk. |
| 19:07.39 | jesselang | It's not real bad though. |
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| 19:08.26 | jesselang | I have an encrypted filesystem, so I suspect that's involved. But the load issue is certainly a newer one. |
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| 19:10.11 | dannyp | jesselang: also, iostat. works roughly like vmstat |
| 19:10.33 | dannyp | that'll get you throughput rates per device |
| 19:10.48 | jesselang | I have no zombies right now. |
| 19:11.31 | jesselang | But this isn't after a resume. |
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| 19:13.02 | dannyp | not sure why zombie processes are particularly relevant |
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| 19:21.21 | allan_wind | Is there a program to query sources.list? |
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| 19:21.35 | JPT | cat? |
| 19:21.38 | allan_wind | apt-cache policy is sorta kinda right but not |
| 19:21.40 | simonlnu | a pager |
| 19:21.52 | themill | allan_wind: what do you want to query? |
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| 19:22.26 | allan_wind | allan_wind: I dont' want to parse the file myself, but figure out what what to find "squeeze-updates" |
| 19:22.34 | allan_wind | (or whatever the release is) |
| 19:22.40 | JPT | cat /etc/issue? |
| 19:22.50 | allan_wind | allan@vent:~$ cat /etc/issue |
| 19:22.50 | allan_wind | Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l |
| 19:23.22 | themill | allan_wind: I'm still not sure what you're trying to do... |
| 19:23.39 | JPT | i'm guessing, too |
| 19:24.13 | allan_wind | I am trying to construct a new sources.list.d file to install percona tools specificailly |
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| 19:24.33 | allan_wind | this means I need to know which of various repos to use to support different versions |
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| 19:25.21 | JPT | sounds very hard to automate that. you could use a piece of /etc/issue (in case it's not messed up) to find out the release you're on. |
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| 19:25.31 | themill | allan_wind: I'm still missing the key information here... |
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| 19:26.01 | JPT | but it might be better to just tell the user what repos you provide and let him choose |
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| 19:26.40 | jordanm | allan_wind: use lsb_release. if the package installed, it will also become a facter in puppet, if you are using that |
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| 19:27.06 | allan_wind | I am trying to write a chef recipe to install the percona tools on a cluster of machines consisting of redhat, debian, and ubuntu machines. For debian percona makes a .list file available for each of the recent releaseas, and I want to install the right one |
| 19:27.20 | themill | ahh! |
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| 19:28.23 | themill | allan_wind: so you want to know what release of debian the box is running? lsb_release is the most sensible way of doing that, but it's possible to make a suitable mess of a system so that lsb_release doesn't output anything related to the system |
| 19:28.29 | jordanm | allan_wind: if chef has something like puppet facts, the use lsb_release to create a custom one |
| 19:28.51 | allan_wind | cool, thx |
| 19:29.34 | simonlnu | aah, makes sense now |
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| 19:38.55 | oops | after I log into my gnome3 desktop, it takes a while before I can use it. The top-bar, activities button and hot corner appears after about half a minute. |
| 19:39.01 | oops | How can I improve this? |
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| 19:39.18 | oops | I want the desktop to be functional as soon as I log in like in gnome 2 days. |
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| 19:44.31 | oops | after I log into my gnome3 desktop, it takes a while before I can use it. The top-bar, activities button and hot corner appears after about half a minute. How can I improve this? I want the desktop to be functional as soon as I log in like in gnome 2 days. |
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| 19:58.56 | dvs | !ask |
| 19:58.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:00.33 | stew | what is the mechanism that makes it so that ./foo.jar actually works for java packages? |
| 20:00.37 | stew | if they are +x |
| 20:00.56 | jhutchins_wk | oops: There's a reliable way to achieve that: Simply hide the desktop until the startup is complete. |
| 20:01.16 | jhutchins_wk | oops: Gnome 3 has a lot more stuff to do to bring it up, it's showing your hardware's age more than gnome 2 did. |
| 20:01.31 | oops | ok |
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| 20:01.42 | dvs | and it lets you do less than Gnome 2 |
| 20:01.43 | jhutchins_wk | oops: You can probably improve it by turning off features and effects and minimizing the things that start at login. |
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| 20:02.00 | oops | My hardware is 6 years old. |
| 20:02.15 | jhutchins_wk | oops: That's 40 computer years. |
| 20:02.23 | oops | How can I find a list of things it starts at login? |
| 20:02.35 | themill | stew: binfmt? |
| 20:02.42 | jhutchins_wk | oops: ps ax or watch top as it starts |
| 20:02.47 | jordanm | stew: http://www.wikihow.com/Run-a-.Jar-Java-File #2? |
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| 20:02.55 | somiaj | you can also look into lxde (a light weight desktop alternative) if you want something that isn't wanting newer hardware. |
| 20:03.04 | somiaj | or any other de/wm out there |
| 20:03.13 | jhutchins_wk | oops: I never liked gnome and have always used kde instead. |
| 20:03.31 | stew | themill: yes! |
| 20:03.39 | themill | (update-binfmts --display) |
| 20:03.39 | jhutchins_wk | oops: People who are dissatisfied with gnome and not quite ready for cinnamon commonly switch to xfce. |
| 20:03.59 | superstraw | yay xfce4 |
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| 20:10.37 | abb615 | How could I uh |
| 20:10.43 | Alir3z4 | I'm not trying to make molly war or something, but my question is "why choosing debian over archlinux" for production server ? |
| 20:10.49 | abb615 | get xfce4's menu in lxde |
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| 20:11.39 | stew | Alir3z4: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 20:12.43 | \Jan | I like lxde's panel and environment, but for some reason it's missing some of my programs in it's menu. I've tried editing some of the .desktop files, running update-menus, but it doesn't work |
| 20:12.51 | Smaug | hey all. I have a VPS which I access through a provided VNC. Trying to set it up, and although I know from using things like apt-get that it can access the internet, ping does not work. thoughts? this occurs even with a flush iptables with ACCEPT policy |
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| 20:13.36 | streuner__ | \Jan, you have problems |
| 20:14.09 | \Jan | The only way it mostly works is by using alacarte, but that leaves the menu item with a weird icon |
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| 20:14.24 | \Jan | I don't even know how I got alacarte on this machine |
| 20:14.32 | mns | How would I share a screen session with someone that is remote ? Would I have to give shell access to my system or can I have them directly connect to the screen session ? |
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| 20:17.09 | jordanm | mns: if you both login to ssh as the same user, you can connect to the same screen session |
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| 20:18.34 | kittonian | hi all |
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| 20:19.34 | kittonian | are there any high performance SAN solutions available for linux? right now we are running XSan but it has various issues with ACLs and data corruption and I'd much rather use something incredibly stable and solid on Linux |
| 20:19.39 | mns | jordanm: that's what I thought, I was just trying to eliminate the other person having shell access. I"ll see if I find anything else. |
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| 20:20.15 | jordanm | mns: what do they need to accomplish? |
| 20:21.43 | _-`user0 | Hi, i'm installing debian and dont know what filesystem to choose, it is for a machine whose will have an mysql database and will temporarly stock some bigs files with raid5 on 4*2TB(sata) what i should take ? |
| 20:22.59 | _-`user0 | we last stable as system |
| 20:23.01 | _-`user0 | with* |
| 20:23.33 | jordanm | _-`user0: dpm |
| 20:23.36 | atrigent | any change git 1.7.11 will be added to any repos any time soon? |
| 20:23.41 | jordanm | _-`user0: don't use raid5 for a database server |
| 20:23.50 | _-`user0 | jordanm: why ? |
| 20:24.12 | jordanm | _-`user0: http://www.miracleas.com/BAARF/ |
| 20:24.32 | jordanm | _-`user0: performance reasons |
| 20:25.10 | atrigent | s/change/chance/ |
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| 20:25.40 | jordanm | ,versions git-core |
| 20:25.42 | judd | Package: git-core on i386 -- lenny-volatile: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.1+b1~volatile1; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.2; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.3; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.7.10.4-1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1 |
| 20:25.50 | _-`user0 | jordanm: so i should take raid0 ? |
| 20:25.55 | jordanm | atrigent: ask the maintainer |
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| 20:26.16 | jordanm | _-`user0: typically, a raid10 |
| 20:26.37 | jordanm | _-`user0: if the usage is going to be low, like a wordpress blog, then it doesn't really matter though |
| 20:27.03 | oops | sometimes when I leave my laptop idle for a long time, the screen goes completely black and doesn't come back. Then I have to log into my laptop from another system via ssh and reboot. This issue started occurring very recently after I did an aptitude full-upgrade. I am using Wheezy. |
| 20:27.07 | _-`user0 | usage will be middle ... |
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| 20:27.23 | _-`user0 | H24 in use |
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| 20:33.33 | Savage- | hi, i need help why im installing debian lxde i cant install grub |
| 20:34.59 | youlysses` | Savage-: What image are you installing that lxde is the default wm/de? |
| 20:36.28 | Savage- | debian-live-6.0.4i386-lxde-desktop |
| 20:37.39 | youlysses` | Savage-: Where is it installing everything else to /dev/sda ? |
| 20:38.48 | youlysses` | Most of the time, especilly un 6.0, when there is grub problems, in my experience it's due to debian trying to install itself into /dev/sdb while grub is looking at /dev/sdb |
| 20:38.59 | youlysses` | *grub = /dev/sda |
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| 20:41.58 | penrod | greetings: this is the error message I am getting from a cronjob /bin/sh: mail:command not found, I thought it may have been from the default shell being dash, so I changed it to bash, but still the same error. I hope it isn't something obvious. |
| 20:42.32 | stew | penrod: is bsd-mailx installed? |
| 20:43.14 | mns | jordanm: they need to debug an application. |
| 20:43.23 | penrod | stew: good eye, actually it has rc, so I think I know what to do, thanks kindly |
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| 20:47.12 | penrod | stew: that was it, thanks again |
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| 20:47.49 | stew | :) |
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| 20:52.50 | fasta | In which groups do I have to be besides audio to play audio? |
| 20:52.58 | FilipeMaia | Is there any mdadm mode that will propagate read errors to the user instead of kicking out a disk? I'm trying to salvage data from a failed RAID5 and having to assemble the array after each read error quickly gets old. |
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| 20:53.47 | fasta | Running anything via kdesudo -u foo mplayer /tmp/foo.wav gets me silence. |
| 20:53.58 | captian_hindsigh | FilipeMaia: whats why you do not use raid 5 |
| 20:54.03 | captian_hindsigh | huh |
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| 20:54.16 | fasta | foo is in the audio group |
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| 20:54.20 | FilipeMaia | captian_hindsigh: i'm just trying to help save the situation, it's not even my array |
| 20:55.08 | stew | FilipeMaia: does the same disk keep getting kicked out? |
| 20:55.22 | FilipeMaia | stew: yes |
| 20:55.35 | stew | FilipeMaia: sounds like you should replace that disk |
| 20:55.37 | mwarg | FilipeMaia: you may be abble to dd this disk to an image |
| 20:55.42 | FilipeMaia | stew: I'm well aware |
| 20:55.51 | mwarg | and add this image to array |
| 20:55.54 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: yes but then i'll have silent errors inside |
| 20:55.57 | mwarg | dunno if this will actually work |
| 20:56.14 | stew | mwarg: its going to be a resync no matter what, there is no point in doing dd first, is there? |
| 20:56.14 | mwarg | but you may be able to salvage the data |
| 20:56.24 | mwarg | stew: there is |
| 20:56.30 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: but i'll not know what data is corrupted |
| 20:56.37 | stew | mwarg: what would be the differenced in doing dd first and not doing dd first? |
| 20:56.38 | mwarg | stew: dd all disks to images |
| 20:56.42 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: if I read from the filesystem it will tell me what files are bad |
| 20:56.49 | mwarg | assemble raid 5 from this images |
| 20:56.53 | mwarg | lost data is lost |
| 20:57.02 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: the question is i won't know which data is list |
| 20:57.03 | FilipeMaia | lost |
| 20:57.10 | FilipeMaia | if I just do a dd |
| 20:57.17 | stew | i don't understand why "replace the disk and move on" is not the answer here |
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| 20:57.24 | FilipeMaia | stew: it's a failed array |
| 20:57.34 | mwarg | to recover this failed array try |
| 20:57.39 | mwarg | 1) disassemble it |
| 20:57.47 | mwarg | 2) dd physical disks |
| 20:57.48 | fas3r | hello |
| 20:57.57 | mwarg | 3) assemble it from this dd |
| 20:58.07 | mwarg | you aren't losing anything, are you? |
| 20:58.25 | FilipeMaia | i don't know which files for corrupted |
| 20:58.25 | stew | FilipeMaia: is this stuff not backed up somewhere else? |
| 20:58.34 | FilipeMaia | stew: of course not |
| 20:58.44 | fas3r | I have a problem with NFS, i explain, after some times (various 5minutes, 1 hours) my NFS share is umount. Do you think that if I put it in the /etc/fstab it can be mounted automaticly if the NFS is umounted ? |
| 20:58.51 | FilipeMaia | stew: if there was a simple solution i would have done that before |
| 20:58.54 | mwarg | FilipeMaia: you told that you are unabe to copy data from this array |
| 20:58.58 | mwarg | is this true? |
| 20:59.06 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: I can copy but i hit read errors |
| 20:59.18 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: the read error causes a disk kick which causes array fail |
| 20:59.38 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: i can then remember not to copy that file again and force reassemble of the array |
| 20:59.49 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: but this is quite complicated to automate |
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| 21:00.02 | stew | FilipeMaia: so his idea of dd (but use ddrescue instead perhaps) might be a decent one, except that still, you'll never know what is corrupt |
| 21:00.09 | FilipeMaia | stew: exactly |
| 21:00.24 | mwarg | FilipeMaia: that's why i suggest dd |
| 21:00.30 | FilipeMaia | stew: if i do it by hand i can see which files are bad from the read errors |
| 21:00.50 | FilipeMaia | stew: the unforunate thing is that they cause the array to stop so I have to assemble it again each time i hit on of these |
| 21:01.05 | mwarg | one more thing |
| 21:01.23 | mwarg | bad disk may fail before you will be able to salvage data |
| 21:01.36 | mwarg | so disk images are good to have in this case |
| 21:01.39 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: i don't think it's going to fail comletely |
| 21:01.39 | mwarg | just to be safe |
| 21:01.42 | FilipeMaia | yea |
| 21:01.46 | FilipeMaia | thanks |
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| 21:02.22 | mwarg | FilipeMaia: but at least you will get ensurance from this |
| 21:02.43 | FluxD | For inspircd, does the main go before or after the inherited block ? |
| 21:02.49 | FilipeMaia | the person who was previously handlign this already did a dd actually |
| 21:02.56 | mwarg | and then you may try to automate rebuilding array and copying files using shell script |
| 21:03.06 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: that's what i'm about to embark on |
| 21:03.28 | mwarg | sounds not very har. find /array does work? |
| 21:03.40 | mwarg | or it crashes even on find? |
| 21:03.54 | drags | !/win 25 |
| 21:04.09 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: the problem is how to deal with the crash appropriately |
| 21:04.30 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: i'm not sure if the processing doing the copy is going to hang hard for example inside the kernel |
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| 21:04.46 | FilipeMaia | I think i'll have to try and see what happens |
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| 21:04.53 | artur | Hi |
| 21:04.56 | mwarg | the only way to find out |
| 21:05.05 | artur | It is possible to dowload pre compiled debian kernel images with Grsecurity enabled? I know http://kernelsec.cr0.org/ project, but it seems to be dead. |
| 21:05.16 | mwarg | becomes paranoid about his backups |
| 21:05.18 | artur | I need new, kernel 3.2.X version. |
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| 21:05.52 | stew | artur: debian doesn't supply pre-compiled grsec kernels |
| 21:05.54 | cocuneana73 | ciao |
| 21:05.58 | cocuneana73 | !list |
| 21:05.58 | dpkg | cocuneana73: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 21:06.03 | stew | cocuneana73: what are you looking for? |
| 21:06.09 | artur | I've patched it manually, but after reboot, my box don't detects any hdds. |
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| 21:06.17 | r3m | ,v irssi |
| 21:06.19 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-4~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.15-5; wheezy: 0.8.15-5 |
| 21:06.57 | mwarg | FilipeMaia: http://superuser.com/questions/387711/mdadm-raid5-read-error-not-correctable |
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| 21:07.05 | mwarg | seems like your data is foobar |
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| 21:07.21 | artur | stew: I understand, but maybe exists other 3rd party project of pre-compiled grsec kernels |
| 21:07.38 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: not completely |
| 21:07.44 | FilipeMaia | mwarg: 99% is salvageable |
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| 21:07.53 | stew | but you'll never know which 99% |
| 21:08.02 | FilipeMaia | stew: i do, from the read errors |
| 21:08.17 | stew | you have a history of all the errors that led up to this? |
| 21:08.23 | stew | what about the write errors? |
| 21:08.33 | FilipeMaia | stew: there are no write errors |
| 21:08.39 | stew | FilipeMaia: how do you know? |
| 21:08.44 | FilipeMaia | stew: from the parity checks |
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| 21:09.41 | mwarg | what kind of data it is? |
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| 21:09.46 | FilipeMaia | scientific data |
| 21:10.13 | mwarg | i mean, database or files? |
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| 21:11.07 | stew | FilipeMaia: wait, what raid level is this? |
| 21:11.11 | FilipeMaia | 5 |
| 21:11.19 | stew | and you lost two drives? |
| 21:11.50 | jhutchins_wk | It seems like raid drive failure notification still falls somewhat short. |
| 21:12.36 | stew | with a degraded raid 5 array, where one of the remaining drives is faulty. I think it is foolish to trust that you have good data |
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| 21:13.35 | sirrus | Hi |
| 21:14.02 | sirrus | Can someone give me some hints for misdn on debian wheezy? |
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| 21:16.22 | jhutchins_wk | sirrus: misdn? |
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| 21:16.35 | jhutchins_wk | ,info misdn |
| 21:16.36 | judd | No package named 'misdn' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 21:17.29 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions misdn |
| 21:17.30 | judd | No package named 'misdn' was found in i386. |
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| 21:32.08 | sirrus | judd - wheezy - not squeeze |
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| 21:33.21 | troulouliou_dev | hi is the .bash_login file read by bash when loging in ? |
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| 21:35.02 | beardy | troulouliou_dev: Yes. If it exists. |
| 21:36.01 | troulouliou_dev | beardy, i m testing atm it looks like it is ignored |
| 21:36.14 | frostschutz | troulouliou_dev: see the manpage. it's ignored in some cases (no login shell, or .bash_profile exists) |
| 21:36.16 | beardy | troulouliou_dev: It is equivalent to .bash_profile or .profile, that is, it is only read in a login shell. Use .bashrc to always do things, and include it in your .bash_profile. |
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| 21:36.41 | troulouliou_dev | frostschutz, ok no login shell .... thanks |
| 21:37.02 | troulouliou_dev | yes thanks al |
| 21:37.02 | beardy | troulouliou_dev: .bash_profile is the Debian default, so where did the .bash_login come from? |
| 21:37.44 | troulouliou_dev | beardy, from another distibution |
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| 21:39.48 | troulouliou_dev | gdm is not considered as a login shell ? |
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| 21:43.27 | Konomi | is there any way to tell aptitude to not do "versions" like "search" so when I do aptitude versions iceweasel I don't get 50 package versions? |
| 21:43.33 | ocx | how can i change the user mail directory? |
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| 21:46.54 | btorch | has anyone seen something similar before ? "Failed creating new socket and connecting to 10.191.208.41:8080 -- errno = 99: Cannot assign requested address" http benchmark testing |
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| 21:47.13 | eniac_petrov | Hello guys |
| 21:47.29 | eniac_petrov | I need packages.debian.org's source code |
| 21:47.33 | eniac_petrov | or an API |
| 21:47.43 | pzn | suppose I have hardware connectivity problem and too much tcp retries/wrong checksums... is there any "counters" in /proc where I could see this? using debian squeeze default kernel on amd64 |
| 21:47.51 | eniac_petrov | cannot find anything on Google |
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| 21:48.38 | jhutchins_wk | btorch: I would usually think that meant somethng else was using that port, or that whatever was running wasn't root. |
| 21:52.18 | jelly-home | btorch: figure out which system call failed, and then read its documentation |
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| 21:53.15 | btorch | well I was thinking more about some sort of ulimit that perhaps I may need to increase since it's failing on creating new socket ... |
| 21:53.16 | snarkpit | Is there a way to release/renew the ip address graphically in GNOME? I was goofing off with the ethernet adapter settings, trying to setup a static ip. Didn't work, which is no big deal, but when I set it back to dhcp, I couldn't renew the ip address. I had to restart the pc to get back online. |
| 21:53.55 | btorch | jelly-home: I may need to strace for that since it's a binary I guess |
| 21:54.01 | jelly-home | yup |
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| 21:56.39 | jelly-home | errno.h ... #define EADDRNOTAVAIL 99 /* Cannot assign requested address */ |
| 21:56.43 | ocx | postfix is configured to put emails for the user in /var/mail/user1, i want to move that mbox and make it continue putting emails in /home/user1/ instead of /var/mail/user1 , how can i do that? |
| 21:57.34 | jelly-home | btorch: I guess it's bind() failing |
| 21:57.54 | jelly-home | if not connect() |
| 21:58.52 | jelly-home | btorch: is it possible you exhausted the local tcp ports pool |
| 21:59.51 | petemc | does the machine have the ip address 10.191.208.41 ? |
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| 22:00.13 | btorch | yeah that's what I saw on some of the posts I've been looking at for the past couple of hours .. it's just strange that didn't happen yesterday but today is happening pretty often |
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| 22:01.01 | btorch | jelly-home: will check on that on the client side .. I know on the LB side I set net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range but probably not on the client |
| 22:01.21 | btorch | petemc: that's the LB ip that the client connects to |
| 22:02.27 | petemc | oh |
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| 22:06.46 | btorch | jelly-home: I think that was it |
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| 22:11.43 | chris_99 | hi, i'm using squeeze and am trying to get RTL8192CU wireless device to work so i'm using squeeze backports |
| 22:11.51 | chris_99 | the modules are loaded |
| 22:12.00 | chris_99 | but no device seems to be created |
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| 22:12.18 | jordanm | !rtl8192 |
| 22:12.18 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 22:12.32 | jordanm | !rtl8192cu |
| 22:12.32 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 22:15.06 | chris_99 | i got the firmware from here jordanm http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 22:15.16 | chris_99 | but it's boot.img/data.img and main.img |
| 22:15.59 | jordanm | chris_99: erm what? apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 22:17.07 | chris_99 | i've done that, and it looks like the module rtl8192cu is loaded |
| 22:17.19 | chris_99 | but no wireless device is created |
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| 22:33.41 | jordanm | chris_99: the firmware shouldn't be required for it to show up in ifconfig -a |
| 22:33.50 | jordanm | but it is required for it to actually function |
| 22:34.10 | chris_99 | hmm, i'll have a go with ifconfig -a didn't think about that |
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| 22:43.37 | tharkun | There is a factoid that states how to bacport upstream to a certain release. How is it called? |
| 22:44.04 | stew | !uupdate |
| 22:44.05 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
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| 22:44.21 | tharkun | !coffee stew |
| 22:44.21 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic Peruvian for stew, courtesy of tharkun |
| 22:44.28 | tharkun | Thanks |
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| 22:44.53 | tharkun | stew: uupdate will not aply debian packages right? |
| 22:45.06 | tharkun | s/packages/patches/ |
| 22:46.13 | stew | no, it just updates the source |
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| 22:46.27 | stew | but if the package contains patches, they will be applied as normal when you try to build the package |
| 22:47.12 | tharkun | stew: aplying patches to upstream is not necesarily a good idea. How can I skip that? |
| 22:47.40 | stew | depends on how the package does it's patching |
| 22:47.49 | tharkun | slapd |
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| 22:48.09 | tharkun | stew: What url am I missing? :-) |
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| 22:52.59 | jelly-home | the one where it says 389ds is finally in sid? |
| 22:53.01 | jelly-home | hides |
| 22:53.12 | tharkun | !lart jelly-home |
| 22:53.12 | dpkg | moos at jelly-home |
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| 22:56.10 | tharkun | ,versions 389ds |
| 22:56.11 | judd | No package named '389ds' was found in i386. |
| 22:56.23 | tharkun | jelly-home: answer that ^^ |
| 22:56.47 | themill | ,i 389-ds sid |
| 22:56.47 | stew | tharkun: what is the source format of that package? is it 3.0 (quilt)? |
| 22:56.48 | judd | Package 389-ds (net, optional) in sid/i386: 389 Directory Server suite - metapackage. Version: 1.2.11.7-3; Size: 14.5k; Installed: 56k; Homepage: http://directory.fedoraproject.org |
| 22:59.37 | tharkun | stew: upstream is a normal tgz Although for some reason i doubt that you need that information |
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| 23:00.20 | stew | tharkun: no, the debian source format from debian/source/format |
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| 23:01.46 | quebre | hi |
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| 23:02.01 | quebre | how do i install kernel on debian? i don't have it yet |
| 23:02.03 | quebre | ;) |
| 23:02.07 | stew | tharkun: right it's 1.0 format, but it build-depends on quilt. so there is a .diff.gz debian patch which WILL be applied to the new source BUT since they are using quilt the .diff.gz SHOULD only add stuff to the debian/ directory and not touch the rest of the source |
| 23:02.21 | stew | tharkun: you can verify this with "diffstat openldap_$version.diff.gz" |
| 23:02.54 | stew | tharkun: so the real patches to the source SHOULD be in debian/patches and managed with quilt. if you aren't familiar with using quilt you should get familiar |
| 23:03.16 | stew | tharkun: and know that you'll want to be running quilt with the QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches env var set |
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| 23:04.08 | tharkun | stew: ok, all is written down. and tonights read is man quilt. Thanks for your time |
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| 23:05.06 | quebre | how do i install kernel on debian? i don't have it yet |
| 23:05.21 | quebre | using yum / aptitude |
| 23:05.26 | quebre | i mean apt-get /aptitude ;) |
| 23:05.40 | stew | tharkun: a good starting point might just be to quilt push --a && quilt refresh ; to see if the patches can be made to easily apply cleanly |
| 23:05.54 | stew | quebre: what does "uname -r" say now? |
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| 23:06.22 | quebre | # uname -r |
| 23:06.22 | quebre | 3.4.4 |
| 23:06.33 | stew | ah, so a custom kernel |
| 23:06.44 | quebre | yeah and now i want to try the 'normal debian' kernel |
| 23:06.48 | stew | quebre: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 23:07.13 | quebre | amd64 |
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| 23:07.27 | quebre | 64bit ;p |
| 23:07.31 | stew | quebre: "aptitude install linux-image-amd64" would install the latest kenrel |
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| 23:07.37 | quebre | ok let me try |
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| 23:07.48 | quebre | haha |
| 23:07.51 | quebre | that was trivial |
| 23:07.51 | quebre | thx |
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| 23:08.37 | stew | it might have pulled in some specific package like linux-image-2.6.35-5-amd64". if it didn't, you already had it installed and this did nothing |
| 23:08.49 | quebre | nah |
| 23:08.51 | quebre | The following NEW packages will be installed: libuuid-perl{a} linux-base{a} linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64{a} linux-image-amd64 |
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| 23:08.54 | quebre | looks good |
| 23:08.59 | stew | right |
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| 23:40.38 | tharkun | stew: thanks for the information I'll take note and report back on what I think it is a bug. (/me hopes on beeing wrong) |
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| 23:53.43 | destroyah | Hi, when trying to install virtualbox guest additions, I get an installation error, I'm running 6.0.5, this is what I get: http://imgur.com/4iGg2 |
| 23:54.27 | nkuttler | wee. screenshots for text content |
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| 23:54.36 | nkuttler | destroyah: do you know how to copy and paste? |
| 23:55.35 | amiguete | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.14 | destroyah | I'm on Windows 7, that's what I get on the virtual machine, don't know how to copy paste between host and guest os's |
| 23:56.37 | nkuttler | destroyah: well iirc the error told you where the log with the error is |
| 23:56.42 | nkuttler | !tell destroyah about pastebinit |
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| 23:57.17 | destroyah | this is what it says in the log |
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| 23:58.40 | destroyah | /tmp/vbox.0/Makefile.include.header:97: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. |
| 23:59.13 | destroyah | I'm pretty sure this is beyond my skill level. |
| 23:59.28 | destroyah | I know I need to set an environment variable KERN_DIR to the proper value |
| 23:59.35 | nkuttler | destroyah: that's odd. you might have to install the linux-headers package that matches your kernel, though that dep should probably be pulled in automatically |
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| 23:59.57 | destroyah | nkuttler, how would I go about doing that? |
