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| 00:00.09 | nsadmin | maybe that form of chown passes the buck to chgrp |
| 00:00.22 | kaio | nsadmin: and also for the webusers group thing i intended that bob was in the webusers group , obviously |
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| 00:01.22 | nsadmin | bob's primary group is bob? |
| 00:01.22 | kaio | nsadmin: ah. for what i knew i thought it was chgrp that passed always the buck to chown . isnt chgrp a "chown-based tool" ? |
| 00:01.53 | nsadmin | maybe each calls the appropriate lib call |
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| 00:02.05 | nsadmin | that would make the most sense |
| 00:02.48 | kaio | nsadmin: i think it isnt important witch is the primary group. The important thing is for bob to be part of the group used in the chown. (for example my user primary group is *not* adm) |
| 00:02.58 | nsadmin | and if chown is asked to change both the user and the group of the target, it makes two lib calls |
| 00:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | Would there be any reason to prefer xfsdump | xfsrestore to rsync in cloning an xfs partition? |
| 00:04.12 | kaio | nsadmin: i'm not sure but i think it could be possible to use chown to change *only* the group (so to use only *1* lib call) |
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| 00:04.33 | nsadmin | kaio, right, if your user is youruser, then the primary group by default (of adduser) should also be youruser |
| 00:05.01 | nsadmin | kaio, yes, that would make sense |
| 00:06.10 | kaio | nsadmin: i 've just tried "chown :user 0" and now the file 0 has "user" ad groupname. So i think that in the bob case it could be enough to use "chown -R :webusers /var/www/file" |
| 00:06.21 | kaio | */var/www/ |
| 00:07.02 | kaio | *as |
| 00:07.09 | cyberia | i'm on a fresh squeeze server install and i'm trying to install samba but i keep getting Depends: libwbclient0 (=2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8) but 2:3.6.3-2 is to be installed. can anyone help me resolve the dependency? |
| 00:07.52 | blackshirt | cyberia, are you using mixed sources.list? |
| 00:08.51 | cyberia | the only thing i've added is deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free |
| 00:09.03 | stew | judd: versions libwbclient0 |
| 00:09.04 | judd | Package: libwbclient0 on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.5-7; sid: 2:3.6.6-2 |
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| 00:09.18 | stew | cyberia: afaict 2:3.6.3-2 has never been in debian |
| 00:09.29 | nsadmin | you don't need the -R for that first chown |
| 00:09.33 | stew | ah, no it was in march |
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| 00:10.03 | stew | cyberia: so sometime in late march or early april you installed some samba packages from either testing or unstable |
| 00:10.26 | stew | (and maybe other, non-samba packages) |
| 00:10.30 | nsadmin | in fact... I have this rule, I form the whole chown command first... then count to ten... then I add the -R |
| 00:10.49 | kaio | nsadmin: you need it to chown the subdirectories. |
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| 00:11.06 | blackshirt | cyberia, you mixed your repo release, from stable and testing... |
| 00:11.14 | stew | or maybe unstable |
| 00:11.19 | nsadmin | right. and I don't add it until after I form the command amd make sure it's right |
| 00:11.43 | nsadmin | it's almost as dangerous as rm with -r and f |
| 00:11.58 | cyberia | stew, not that i remember but how do i get back to normal? |
| 00:12.04 | kaio | nsadmin: there's no problem in using -R because the only changed ones will be the files of bob |
| 00:12.11 | cyberia | its a fresh install i suppose i could re-install it |
| 00:12.13 | stew | cyberia: if not you, then someone else |
| 00:12.30 | kaio | (and btw the files in /var/www *have* to be of webusers group) |
| 00:12.35 | stew | cyberia: get a list of packages which are newer than currently available for stable using apt-show-versions |
| 00:12.40 | nsadmin | kaio, yeah well I still have that rule :) |
| 00:13.05 | stew | cyberia: then decide which can be safely downgraded (some things cannot, becuase the upgrade scripts don't take downgrading into account) |
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| 00:15.21 | kaio | nsadmin: in general it is a good rule, but this time there's no risk of damage :) |
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| 00:15.42 | cyberia | stew, could i also change my sources.list to testing any try to install? |
| 00:16.26 | blackshirt | cyberia, maybe better remove testing from sources.list and rerun update |
| 00:16.27 | stew | cyberia: testing is a bad idea if it is internet facing, or required to be stable (in either sense of the word) |
| 00:16.42 | stew | blackshirt: that wouldnt' be enough to fix his current problem |
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| 00:17.16 | blackshirt | stew, remove samba first maybe... |
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| 00:30.35 | jhutchins_lt | cyberia: You do NOT want to mix releases. |
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| 00:30.52 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: it's a bit too late for that. |
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| 00:31.15 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Oh. Well, clean install is the usual solution to that. |
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| 00:33.03 | jhutchins_lt | !partial downgrade |
| 00:33.04 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 00:37.26 | nsadmin | maybe "got nothing to lose" should be a factoid suggesting full backup |
| 00:38.52 | freebird | please, how do I enable the option, 1024x768 in my xorg.conf ? |
| 00:39.22 | freebird | I've added the line Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 00:39.44 | freebird | but wont work, please, it disappeared when I changed gnome to xfce4 |
| 00:42.25 | freebird | when I go to preferences -> system -> screens, it's not in there anymore, anyoone ? for days already, 800x600 sucks too much |
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| 00:44.17 | Devastator | freebird squeeze? |
| 00:44.22 | freebird | yes |
| 00:44.34 | Devastator | ,versions xfce |
| 00:44.35 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 00:44.37 | freebird | and I know it goes 1024x768 because that's how it was before |
| 00:44.42 | freebird | Devastator, |
| 00:44.45 | dvs | ,v xfce4 |
| 00:44.46 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
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| 00:45.34 | Devastator | what exactly you did to change from gnome to xfce? |
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| 00:48.38 | freebird | well, removed gnome, and installed xfce4 |
| 00:48.40 | freebird | Devastator, |
| 00:49.11 | Devastator | aptitude remove gnome? |
| 00:49.20 | freebird | Devastator, apt-get remove --purge |
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| 00:49.52 | Devastator | right, why use more harmless methods if you can actually screw things up? |
| 00:50.05 | freebird | Devastator, not sure, that's how I know how to do it |
| 00:50.24 | freebird | Devastator, I think maybe it's not xorg.conf the right config file |
| 00:50.39 | freebird | Devastator, maybe I'm editing the wrong file, because it works without xorg.conf |
| 00:52.53 | Devastator | freebird i think since squeeze there's no xorg.conf, but other files to edit manually... |
| 00:53.25 | Devastator | freebird for the record, you don't need to remove an window manager to use other.. |
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| 00:54.21 | freebird | Devastator, I see, how should I proceed ? |
| 00:54.28 | freebird | to get the 1024x768 back man ? |
| 00:55.14 | Devastator | check your apt logs to see what was in fact removed, maybe videocard drivers?! don't know |
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| 01:03.11 | freebird | it's only a matter of adding the option |
| 01:03.24 | freebird | in the config file, which file is in use ? do you know ? |
| 01:03.25 | freebird | Devastator, |
| 01:03.44 | freebird | checking the logs, will be crazy, |
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| 01:05.49 | adam_ | hellloooooooo |
| 01:06.05 | adam_ | how to enable numlock light in gdm ? |
| 01:06.26 | adam_ | i installed numlockx it enables the number pad but the light is off |
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| 01:08.31 | Yeretik | Can anybody tell me what's happen with ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk in Sid 64bits ? |
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| 01:10.04 | Yeretik | In my yesterday's upgrade, they were uninstalled and i can't install them again (looks like they are not more at the repo) and i can't use Skype that depends of them |
| 01:10.41 | nsadmin | for sid, I have no idea... |
| 01:11.12 | nsadmin | , v ia32-libs-gtk --arch=amd64 |
| 01:11.13 | judd | Package: ia32-libs-gtk on amd64 -- lenny: 2.7+lenny1; squeeze: 20120102; wheezy: 20120102; sid: 20120616 |
| 01:11.19 | engla | Yeretik: ia32-libs was updated to use multiarch dependencies (while ia32-libs-gtk hasn't been updated) |
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| 01:12.21 | Yeretik | engla, So what you recommend me in order to recover my skype ? I need it to work |
| 01:12.33 | g0dfrey | skype can be installed with multiarch |
| 01:12.43 | Yeretik | g0dfrey, How ? |
| 01:13.01 | Yeretik | I don't use multiarch yet |
| 01:13.08 | engla | Yeretik: since you are using sid, you should know yourself :-) easiest would be to restore the old version of ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 01:13.27 | nsadmin | Yeretik, you're running sid which uses multiarch |
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| 01:13.40 | Yeretik | nsadmin, By default ? |
| 01:13.45 | engla | nsadmin: multiarch must be enabled by adding foreign arches |
| 01:14.07 | Yeretik | engla, dpkg --add-architecture i386 ? |
| 01:14.14 | nsadmin | so the system is changed to use multiarch the first time you do that? |
| 01:14.36 | engla | nsadmin: if you add i386, you can install 386 packages via apt |
| 01:14.46 | adam_ | nsadmin, soon there will be a unical debian release there won't be a i386 or an amd64 ? |
| 01:14.56 | engla | Yeretik: you can do that but if you don't know what you are doing you will not have an easy time solving this |
| 01:15.09 | engla | adam_: no |
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| 01:15.29 | adam_ | engla, ok it was just to know |
| 01:15.34 | engla | adam_: multiarch is just for libraries so far |
| 01:15.51 | Yeretik | engla, What's your suggestion ? |
| 01:15.55 | g0dfrey | Yeretik: dpkg --add-architecture i386 and install skype i386 packiage |
| 01:16.02 | adam_ | engla, ok !! thanks |
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| 01:18.08 | dioz | eyes nsadmin curiously |
| 01:18.11 | Yeretik | g0dfrey, Installing dependencies... |
| 01:18.18 | dioz | are you sure you're qualified to be here? |
| 01:18.41 | Yeretik | dioz, r u tlkn 2 me ? |
| 01:18.46 | dioz | no no |
| 01:18.47 | dioz | nsadmin |
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| 01:18.55 | Yeretik | dioz, :P |
| 01:19.02 | dioz | ;] |
| 01:19.20 | multiHYP | how can I send a running process to the background while its running and outputting? |
| 01:19.23 | g0dfrey | Yeretik: I have 4 i386 apps installed on my amd64...Livestation,Packettracer,Wine,Skype... |
| 01:19.28 | nsadmin | dioz |
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| 01:20.39 | dioz | wut up nsadmin? |
| 01:21.03 | nsadmin | engla, I see,,, so you enable each arch separately |
| 01:21.32 | engla | nsadmin: yes. once you enable i386 you get more package lists downloaded by apt-get update etc |
| 01:21.32 | nsadmin | dioz, the top note on my bass |
| 01:21.54 | nsadmin | can you also remove them? |
| 01:22.10 | dioz | facepalms |
| 01:22.15 | nsadmin | and, what's the status of multiarch on squeeze? |
| 01:22.39 | Yeretik | g0dfrey, 24.5 Mb of i386 dependencies... |
| 01:22.51 | g0dfrey | Yeretik: libs only |
| 01:23.06 | Yeretik | g0dfrey, Yes, libs |
| 01:23.59 | nsadmin | Yeretik, yes, incl libc |
| 01:24.10 | Yeretik | A question: Now with multiarch support, can be possible to have the same library installed twice? For both archs ? |
| 01:24.45 | engla | Yeretik: yes, that's the core of the thing.. libc6:amd64 and libc6:i386 in parallel |
| 01:24.50 | engla | and other libs |
| 01:25.06 | Yeretik | good |
| 01:25.10 | nsadmin | one lib per arch, yes |
| 01:25.15 | Yeretik | Yeah ! I have my Skype again ! |
| 01:25.18 | Yeretik | Thanks boys ! |
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| 01:25.31 | nsadmin | so if you have three, you'd get three per |
| 01:25.52 | stew | nsadmin: is that possible? |
| 01:25.52 | g0dfrey | Yeretik: you may see too directories under /lib and /usr/lib :x86_64-linux-gnu and i386-linux-gnu |
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| 01:26.30 | nsadmin | stew, three archs, you mean would the cpu run them all? |
| 01:26.38 | stew | three arches |
| 01:26.57 | engla | nsadmin: possibly with qemu or so(?) |
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| 01:27.32 | \3TATUK | What does a 'c ' indicate at the beginning of `aptitude search ` lines indicate? (removed but not purged?) [And, what's the difference [between purge/remove] ?] |
| 01:28.13 | nsadmin | stew, would you install a -really- foreign arch in order to do cross builds? |
| 01:28.24 | stew | nsadmin: me? |
| 01:28.34 | stew | nsadmin: is that possible? |
| 01:28.37 | nsadmin | or anyone, goes to "is it possible" |
| 01:28.59 | jagginess | \3TATUK, c is the 3rd letter of the latin alphabet |
| 01:29.07 | stew | \3TATUK: removed but not purged |
| 01:29.27 | nsadmin | c means config files still present |
| 01:30.00 | jagginess | since on topic, is it possible to purge those config files after an apt-get remove ? |
| 01:30.18 | nsadmin | yes, you would just purge |
| 01:30.21 | jagginess | ok |
| 01:30.33 | jagginess | (i think i tried once in the past i think i'm wrong about it) |
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| 01:32.07 | stew | jagginess: in the past it was imposssibe with apt-get (but possible with aptitude or dpkg) |
| 01:32.17 | \3TATUK | Is there a way to search for all 'c ' (removed but not purged) packages? |
| 01:32.22 | nsadmin | stew, you tell me... (I been wrong a lot today_ |
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| 01:33.38 | multiHYP | wow got my .toprc file going :D |
| 01:33.54 | multiHYP | this thing can do way more than I thought. |
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| 01:40.24 | stew | \3TATUK: aptitude search '~c' |
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| 02:19.23 | qw | hi, i am trying to use putty with keys and get the connection closed error (server unexpectedly closed the connection) |
| 02:19.26 | qw | any suggstions ? |
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| 02:21.22 | nsadmin | look at the server and client logs and see what happens when you connect |
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| 02:30.47 | qw | nsadmin: i couldn't find any entry in the syslog |
| 02:31.09 | qw | nsadmin: i read that it has to be in one line, must be in openssh format etc. i took care of that too |
| 02:31.22 | qw | ssh-rsa AAA... |
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| 02:34.08 | qw | in my sshd_config file it suggests logging should be done in /var/log/syslog, but am unable to find anything there |
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| 02:36.34 | kaio | hi @ everyone. Is it normal for me to have ~60 process like this: "/usr/bin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon" running? i've seen them via htop but if i do "ps aufx|grep somePID" i cant see none of them. what does it mean? |
| 02:36.55 | kaio | *any of them |
| 02:37.58 | craigevil | yep |
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| 02:40.23 | kaio | craigevil: so why cant i see them with ps ? and why *60* when i have only a few process running at the moment ? o.O |
| 02:41.00 | opakavic | fellows, help me with integrated intel graphics and radeon, by default intel kms loaded, i need to switch to radeon, and another my laptop is getting heat quick |
| 02:41.22 | opakavic | gdm3, i can't see xorg.conf too |
| 02:41.22 | kaio | do the number of console-kit-daemon processes depend on how many logins/terminals i open? |
| 02:42.45 | opakavic | even i gone through ati wiki by debian, no result |
| 02:46.01 | kaio | opakavic: are you using bumblebee? i use it for the switch (intel <---> nvidia) and it works good. |
| 02:47.04 | opakavic | kaio: its hp pavillion g4, in bios, there is dynamic and fixed mode for graphics, i have fixed right now |
| 02:47.31 | opakavic | this is AMD radeon 7xxx series |
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| 02:48.03 | opakavic | my laptop is getting head quick, this is not happen when i wa using win7 |
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| 02:48.58 | qw | my ssh log shows error: key_read: uudecode when i tried to use keys to login |
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| 02:49.43 | oneand0 | opakavic: you using cpufreqd cpufrequtils ? --heat issues could be cpu not scaling right |
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| 02:50.21 | opakavic | oneand0: i'm not using any of that |
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| 02:51.02 | oneand0 | opakavic: you might want to try that ? helps me -- core i5 |
| 02:51.33 | opakavic | yes me too having i5, oneand0 |
| 02:51.50 | opakavic | so after installing that, what should i do |
| 02:52.52 | kaio | opakavic: i have a laptop like that (asus) , in the bios i can choose if i want to also enable the nvidia card or if i want only use the intel card. it is designed for win7 , to enhance battery life. bumblebee is an opensource software for linux , to allow the usage of the *non* intel card on linux. try to google bumblebee or ask #bumblebee, give it a try :) |
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| 02:53.33 | oneand0 | /etc/default/cpufrequtils, edit reload script, opakavic |
| 02:53.54 | J_Rey | I wonder if systemd is targeted for wheezy or sid |
| 02:54.44 | kaio | opakavic: what do you mean with "getting head quick" ? also have you tried using glxspheres to test if the fps has changed ? there're chances that you're non really using the non-intel (aka radeon) card. if you dont use bumblebee that card is unused. |
| 02:55.13 | opakavic | let me try, kaio |
| 02:56.18 | Arrowmaster | J_Rey: wheezy is frozen so it wont have systemd |
| 02:56.57 | kaio | *that you are not really |
| 02:57.20 | J_Rey | oh too late then, ok |
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| 02:59.02 | kaio | opakavic: what debian version are you using? |
| 02:59.27 | opakavic | amd64 squeeze, kaio |
| 02:59.38 | stew | J_Rey: what do you mean by "targetted for wheezy"? |
| 03:00.09 | stew | Arrowmaster: why wouldn't wheezy have systemd? |
| 03:00.17 | kaio | what bios setup are you using now? intel card or radeon card ? |
| 03:00.42 | J_Rey | ok actually included with the base install not a separate package |
| 03:00.56 | stew | no, it won't be in the base install |
| 03:01.06 | Arrowmaster | thats what i assumed he ment |
| 03:01.08 | J_Rey | looks like there's a wheezy package so can at least be optional without worry of breaking squeeze too much |
| 03:01.23 | stew | (but even if it were, it would be a separate package) |
| 03:01.31 | stew | breaking squeeze? |
| 03:01.35 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it will ever be used by default |
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| 03:02.33 | opakavic | kaio: bumblebee for ati? |
| 03:02.34 | J_Rey | I don't have SSD but on-demand starting of daemons sounds like would be worth it right there |
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| 03:04.52 | kaio | opakavic: bumblebee is used to solve the problem of 2 graphic card (integrated: intel. and discrete: nvidia/radeon/etc) . this is what i know. i use it for the infamous nvidia optimus problem. It *could* maybe be used for ati too. but you have to google for it and visit their site to see if this is the tool you need. |
| 03:04.55 | stew | J_Rey: it not supporting all the arches is a problem |
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| 03:07.28 | J_Rey | oh really? specifically doesn't work with some of the official ports then? |
| 03:07.52 | stew | yes, it doesn't work on the non-linux arches, and the systemd author is strongly opposed to fixing that |
| 03:09.06 | J_Rey | ah, nothing at http://wiki.debian.org/systemd about that |
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| 03:10.28 | J_Rey | I heard about it from someone at our local Linux User Group |
| 03:11.41 | demonax | Hello, I successfully installed openjdk-6-jre and icedtea6-plugin. I ran a java applet (a fairly complex one) one time on iceweasel. However, I cannot repeat this. Somehow it no longer works. I would appreciate any insight. |
| 03:11.49 | J_Rey | oh and thanks a lot for clarifying |
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| 03:14.49 | J_Rey | I think I remember POSIX-compliance & BSD support being mentioned now that you mention it |
| 03:15.23 | z28 | demonax: /msg dpkg java dpkg is a bot. |
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| 03:16.21 | z28 | demonax: consider backporting iceweasel |
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| 03:19.20 | demonax | z28: I have the same problem when using epiphany (gnome-browser). |
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| 03:20.05 | z28 | demonax: yeah thats not unusual, i never bother with epiphany |
| 03:20.11 | stew | demonax: when you go to "about:plugins" in iceweasel, do you see icedtea? |
| 03:21.24 | demonax | z28: I do see it. |
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| 03:21.47 | stew | demonax: what des "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
| 03:21.59 | stew | demonax: what happens when you try to view and applet? |
| 03:22.25 | Leolo_3 | I have a plug-pc that's running 5.0.3 |
| 03:22.43 | Leolo_3 | when I try apt-get install smbclient, I get a bunch of 404s |
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| 03:23.08 | demonax | stew: it returns /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java |
| 03:23.14 | stew | Leolo_3: becuase 5.x stopped being supported a while ago. its off the main mirrors and now hosted at archive.debian.org |
| 03:23.29 | Leolo_3 | i guessed as much |
| 03:23.42 | stew | Leolo_3: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
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| 03:23.51 | stew | Leolo_3: consider upgrading to the current stable |
| 03:24.10 | Leolo_3 | this is a plug-pc |
| 03:24.11 | demonax | stew: when I view an applet it loads the applet and then it fails to run it |
| 03:24.36 | stew | demonax: does it work with appletviewer? |
| 03:27.13 | peterrooney | dpkg: tell Leolo_3 about lenny->squeeze. |
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| 03:28.08 | holycow | hi guys |
| 03:28.27 | holycow | i am following this tutorial: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/message.jspa?messageID=67414 |
| 03:28.35 | Leolo_3 | again, I don't think you folks realise what a plug PC is |
| 03:28.36 | demonax | stew: Unfortunately I have not loaded/installed appletviewer yet. I will try (hopefully there's a free/open source one since I am dunning the free/ openjdk |
| 03:29.38 | holycow | in step 3 he says: "we need to make some devices" once in the chrooted environment. none of the step 3 information makes any sense to me. can someone more knowledgeable look and tell me if that is actually instructing me to do anything other than mkdir? |
| 03:29.39 | Leolo_3 | 512mb RAM, 512mb flash, Feroceon 88FR131 CPU |
| 03:29.39 | peterrooney | Leolo_3: why do you think that we don't? |
| 03:29.47 | stew | demonax: its /usr/bin/appletviewer, and you already have it |
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| 03:30.39 | Leolo_3 | because doing apt-get upgrade is pretty much guaranteed to fail on a computer w/ only 270mb free on / |
| 03:30.43 | peterrooney | Leolo_3: so, you may have to purge a _lot_ of packages before doing the upgrade |
| 03:30.52 | Leolo_3 | i'll pass |
| 03:30.53 | holycow | all of the instrudtions are so basic i cannot figure out what is going on in that bloody step |
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| 03:31.12 | stew | Leolo_3: i know what a plug pc is. I don't know what about them makes you not want to get secuirty updates for it |
| 03:31.47 | holycow | stew: what ever it is, he is up to no good! |
| 03:31.48 | holycow | :) |
| 03:31.49 | demonax | stew: funny, dpkg -get--selections | egrep -i appletv yielded no result, however, I will try. |
| 03:32.01 | demonax | stew: not on my machine. |
| 03:32.21 | peterrooney | holycow: on no debian system is MAKEDEV in sbin. |
| 03:32.39 | demonax | stew: I'll get it in a min. |
| 03:33.17 | holycow | peterrooney: peterrooney well that gets even more bizarre then. do you have any clue what he would be wanting anyone to do in that step at all? |
| 03:33.23 | stew | demonax: perhaps you need to be running update-java-alternatives |
| 03:33.39 | craigevil | demonax, its in the openjdk-6-jdk package |
| 03:34.06 | holycow | is he actually creating devices with makedev or something? why is mounting /proc then cd'ing to /dev and then running /sbin/makedev *** in some random fashion? |
| 03:34.36 | peterrooney | holycow: probably what's meant is, " mount /proc; cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV console ; ./MAKEDEV std ; ./MAKEDEV generic" but he explicitly states the instructioins are for etch... |
| 03:34.52 | stew | demonax: run "update-java-alternatives --list", pick one, like "java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64" then run "update-java-alternatives --set java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64" |
| 03:35.14 | peterrooney | MAKEDEV has pretty much been supplanted by the udev framework since etch |
| 03:35.19 | holycow | oh! |
| 03:35.27 | holycow | ahhhh , i see what you are getting at. |
| 03:35.35 | holycow | that would make sense for etch. okay right. |
| 03:36.00 | demonax | craigevil, stew: thanks getting it. |
| 03:36.17 | holycow | peterrooney: thank you kindly for the soundboard. that really helped. |
| 03:36.54 | peterrooney | holycow: you're welcome. |
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| 03:41.23 | z28 | stew: you have a good memory, i didn't want to paste all that java stuff in the channel, thanks |
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| 03:42.15 | kaio | demonax: dont use epiphany. it's buggy. |
| 03:43.44 | demonax | z28: I agree stew has good memory. I'm glad to be here. |
| 03:44.00 | genoskill | Hi how can i massively remove the annoying lyrics3v2 tags from audio files |
| 03:44.13 | demonax | kaio: recommendations? |
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| 03:45.55 | z28 | demonax: iceweasel 13.0.1 rocks, you might consider it.. backports or msg dpkg |
| 03:46.05 | Leolo_3 | HOT DAMN, IT'S WORKING |
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| 03:51.44 | z28 | demonax: galeon is an alternative, i don't use that much either, and theres chromium but it's dated. |
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| 03:54.25 | kaio | dpkg: tell me about lenny->squeeze |
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| 03:55.00 | kaio | !Leolo_3 plug PC |
| 03:56.37 | demonax | z28: thank you I will try the "unstable/testing" version of iceweasel in squeeze |
| 03:57.07 | z28 | demonax: uh, i dunno aboiut that |
| 03:57.21 | z28 | demonax: use backports |
| 03:58.25 | kaio | peterrooney: isnt MAKEDEV in /dev (and it points to /bin/true ) |
| 03:58.41 | z28 | demonax: we're possibly talking about the same thing, but go the backports route, a slight edit in sources.list there are explicit directions |
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| 03:59.20 | kaio | holycow: MAKEDEV *is* in /dev/ |
| 04:00.41 | kaio | demonax: just use firefox. for example find the last version ad mozilla.org |
| 04:00.44 | peterrooney | kaio: wow, things really HAVE changed. I think it would be better to point it at /bin/false, anything relying on the old MAKEDEV should probably be re-written. |
| 04:00.49 | kaio | *stable version |
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| 04:04.54 | kaio | peterrooney: right :) |
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| 04:31.01 | \3TATUK | stew: Thanks |
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| 05:05.14 | demonax | z28: I am getting a malformed line in source list when I tried updating after adding debian backports to the sources list directory. I had the same problem when I tried updating the sources list file in /etc/apt. |
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| 05:06.22 | blackshirt | malformed mean your sources.list contain error |
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| 05:08.00 | demonax | blackshirt: yes. it did after I added the debian backports. Then I reverted, no error. Then I added a backports.list file in the sources.list.d directory and got the same error. |
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| 05:10.05 | sney | demonax: you likely have a typo in the backports line you are trying to add |
| 05:10.09 | sney | look at it again, carefully |
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| 05:10.44 | demonax | sney: will look carefully again. Thanks. |
| 05:12.36 | demonax | sney: heredeb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze |
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| 05:12.59 | sney | demonax: well that's right so far, but you have to have more than that |
| 05:13.15 | sney | at least 'main' at the end there |
| 05:13.25 | sney | look at your other sources.list lines |
| 05:14.32 | demonax | sney: you are correct: deb http://linux.dropbox.com/debian squeeze main |
| 05:14.50 | z28 | demonax: /etc/apt/sources.list -> http://paste.debian.net/177780/ |
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| 05:14.59 | sney | z28: I think he's got it anyway |
| 05:15.52 | z28 | demonax: follow this procedure, http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 05:16.00 | z28 | sney: k |
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| 05:19.02 | demonax | z28, sney: Thank you kindly, I had followed the debian backport instructions (missing " main"); should have observed more carefully though. |
| 05:19.26 | z28 | demonax: welcome, hope it goes smooth for you. |
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| 05:21.28 | Ariii | Is there anything like startx except you can specify the window manager when you do it? |
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| 05:42.25 | ilius | http://bpaste.net/show/ZIMJNicca0J3KRS6hbSM/ |
| 05:42.43 | ilius | i can't dist-upgrade |
| 05:43.18 | ilius | and /var/log/dist-upgrade folder does not exist |
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| 05:46.32 | ilius | and here is my source.list http://bpaste.net/show/TK3aNVGcmRwimwy5YwgE/ |
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| 05:48.26 | z28 | ilius: you've mixed 'testing' |
| 05:49.30 | peterrooney | a mix of stable, testing, and mint... |
| 05:50.33 | z28 | double-whammy, i missed that, testing was bad enough. |
| 05:50.47 | peterrooney | still... |
| 05:51.02 | z28 | peterrooney: no, you're right |
| 05:51.04 | ilius | z28: yes |
| 05:51.20 | ilius | z28: i added testing while i had stable |
| 05:51.26 | ilius | z28: what should i do? |
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| 05:51.41 | z28 | ilius: thats not good to mix testing and mint with stable, whatsoever. |
| 05:52.19 | alfplayer | Ariii: in man pages, there's an example to launch twm, you customize and change "twm" to the one you want |
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| 05:52.39 | z28 | ilius: manually resolve those dependancies, and who knows what else. |
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| 05:52.48 | alfplayer | Ariii: in startx man page |
| 05:53.41 | peterrooney | ilius: it looks like you've placed a hold on gcc. try aptitude unhold gcc-4.4 |
| 05:53.59 | z28 | ilius: first delete the testing and mint repo's, try apt-update && apt-upgrade and go from there |
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| 05:54.45 | peterrooney | !break |
| 05:54.46 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see <ben break>, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873#10 |
| 05:55.58 | ilius | I disabled stable and trying again, let me see what happens |
| 05:56.27 | z28 | ilius: no no, stable is correct, delete testing and mint |
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| 05:58.06 | streuner__ | ilius: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
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| 05:58.55 | ilius | i streuner__: ii libc6 2.11.3-3 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:59.07 | streuner__ | , versions libc6 |
| 05:59.08 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-33; sid: 2.13-34 |
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| 06:02.36 | ilius | z28: then how should I update to testing? re-enable again, apt-update, upgrade and dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:02.45 | ilius | z28: thats what i did |
| 06:04.59 | z28 | ilius: squeeze = stable, you would change squeeze to testing as far as i know. i run stable squeeze. |
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| 06:05.50 | z28 | ilius: if you have to ask, testing is a bad idea, all due repect. |
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| 06:11.12 | z28 | ilius: i'll correct myself, i would think you would replace squeeze with wheezy, but i may be wrong. |
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| 06:13.22 | ilius | z28: yes, i want to replace squeeze with wheezy |
| 06:14.21 | streuner__ | dpkg, wheezy |
| 06:14.22 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. (see <freeze>) |
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| 06:15.34 | streuner__ | ilius: if you have no experiences, we recommend stable/squeeze |
| 06:16.07 | ilius | experiences with what? |
| 06:16.14 | streuner__ | Debian |
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| 06:16.42 | ilius | i was using ubuntu and arch before, i hope i can handle it |
| 06:16.51 | ilius | (actually i escaped from both) |
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| 06:18.38 | streuner__ | well, just use wheezy, its frozen and it should has the (almost) newest stuff then..., IMO |
| 06:18.46 | opocot | people..how do i mount partition so normal users can read and write it without root priv? |
| 06:19.09 | streuner__ | vfat or NTFS? |
| 06:19.12 | opocot | ext4 |
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| 06:20.55 | demonax | z28, sney: I successfully installed iceweasel 10.0.5; thank you; However, now it loads the applet and crashes when running it. Also, when running update java alternatives, I get an error stating that there are no alternatives for appletviewer, et-al(ii) |
| 06:21.34 | nevyn | opocot: there's a couple of ways... |
| 06:21.42 | z28 | demonax: did you follow this http://mozilla.debian.net/ you should end up with 13.0.1 |
| 06:22.15 | nevyn | opocot: you could set the permissions to something evil (666) and then use eattrs to make it so that those permissions propagate as people make directories etc. |
| 06:22.37 | nevyn | opocot: if it's a usb device there's some problems with that tho. |
| 06:22.38 | demonax | z28: started with 3.5 ended up with 10.0.5 |
| 06:23.26 | ilius | opocot: in ext*, you should mount normally, and fix permissions |
| 06:23.27 | ilius | opocot: in vfat/ntfs, you can't fix permission so that you have to specify permissions while mountinh |
| 06:23.31 | ilius | *mounting |
| 06:23.50 | nevyn | ilius: the problem is "fix permissions" is tricky. |
| 06:23.56 | nevyn | particularly for cases like |
| 06:24.09 | ilius | how? |
| 06:24.13 | nevyn | alice makes a directory a then bob wants to create something inside a |
| 06:24.21 | z28 | demonax: did you add this line in sources.list, deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
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| 06:24.44 | nevyn | ilius: umask creation of directories the lack of inheritance make this.. tricky |
| 06:24.54 | nevyn | you can fix it with eattrs tho |
| 06:25.00 | demonax | z28: I did. I will re attempt the whole process. |
| 06:25.13 | z28 | demonax: then apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel and install the signing key first |
| 06:25.38 | ilius | if its single user system, uid=1000 probably (on most of system), you should make it owner. and define groups as you like |
| 06:25.47 | ilius | nevyn: you mean like acl2? |
| 06:26.20 | ilius | i haven't seen anyone using that on normal desktop system |
| 06:26.51 | nevyn | no like using extended attrs on the mount to make odd things happen with permission propagation on directories |
| 06:26.56 | nevyn | not acls. |
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| 06:27.49 | ilius | vfat/ntfs are odd themselves :D |
| 06:28.07 | ilius | he doesn't have those anyway |
| 06:29.16 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:29.23 | nevyn | actually you can do it with setfacl |
| 06:30.33 | nevyn | http://serverfault.com/questions/349145/can-i-override-my-umask-using-acls-to-make-all-files-created-in-a-given-director |
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| 06:33.15 | opocot | hm interestingg :) |
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| 06:37.08 | nevyn | opocot: so I format most external storage that I intend to connect anywhere else fat32... |
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| 06:58.08 | stew | ws2k3: libncurses5 (which is a Priority: required package, so you really should already have it) |
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| 07:03.50 | opakavic | This is laptop core i5, which has integrated graphics intel hd and AMD radeon hd 7 series card which is switchable ! .. last night i installed debian squeeze and aticonfig not working |
| 07:04.10 | opakavic | lsmod said, loaded with i915 ! |
| 07:04.38 | opakavic | my laptop is getting heat quick |
| 07:04.55 | opakavic | stcuk up with that |
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| 07:05.18 | opakavic | even i follwed ATI wiki for installing ATI drivers |
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| 07:05.28 | opakavic | still i915 loaded |
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| 07:24.13 | simoncpu | hi, it's been a long time since i've last debian |
| 07:24.26 | simoncpu | n00b question here: how can I enable ssh on boot? |
| 07:24.54 | simoncpu | (i.e., I need to mount the SD card and change its settings so that I can SSH into my headless box) |
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| 07:28.58 | Freejack | Anyone have a problem with AptDaemon requesting a shutdown? |
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| 07:29.33 | demonax | z28, et-al, thanks for all your help. Although I'm still in limbo I made some conceptual progress. Everything with backport seems to work, including the key ring, but apt-get and aptitude report that I have the latest version of iceweasel. I updated icedtea6-plugin openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-lib (was required) but the browser still crashes when running applets. ... |
| 07:29.35 | demonax | ...Maybe oracle jre would work(?) |
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| 07:31.02 | Freejack | Checked my system log and it says..."AptDaemon: INFO: Shutdown was requested" |
| 07:31.24 | Freejack | This isn't a laptop either. |
| 07:32.11 | opakavic | Freejack: you pointing me? |
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| 07:33.34 | Freejack | opakavic: Huh? |
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| 07:41.43 | buschhardt | Hallo, I use fail2ban - I switch my sshd port to 443, must I change the port in the jail.conf? Because port=ssh (say nothing to me 22?) |
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| 07:46.10 | xH_ | Hello. |
| 07:46.17 | xH_ | How are you guys? |
| 07:46.22 | buschhardt | fine |
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| 07:56.28 | buschhardt | is there a manual about jail.conf of fail2ban ? |
| 07:57.33 | nevyn | !bumblebee |
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| 08:02.08 | Whiskey | Can you get xrdp to login to realvnc i thinked about so you can get console mode |
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| 08:07.30 | checcoxxx | ciao |
| 08:07.34 | checcoxxx | !list |
| 08:07.34 | dpkg | checcoxxx: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 08:08.57 | hanibana | The last line of "Supported link modes" in "ethtool eth0" output for two servers is: 1000baseT/Full . So with this, what should be the max transfer rate of a one-way scp between these two servers, given no processing power and disk throughput limitations? |
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| 08:17.23 | tralala | hanibana, maximum theoretical throughput - 1000Mbps |
| 08:18.03 | tralala | (minus protocol overheads - ethernet, TCP, IP, SSH) |
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| 08:24.53 | bigsky | why i cannot uninstall the package named gforge-db-postgresql |
| 08:24.58 | bigsky | http://iyanwu.com/pastebin/showthread.php?tid=565&pid=955#pid955 |
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| 08:25.40 | wfq | hi guys |
| 08:26.25 | wfq | has anyone ever installed Debian on an Asus ultrabook such http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-ux31e-13-3-ultrabook-silver-11452369-pdt.html? |
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| 08:26.56 | cobra-the-joker | wfq: what problem you are facing ? |
| 08:27.02 | hanibana | tralala: two sides are powerfull HP servers. The partition which data be copied on is an idle SAN partition with more than 150 MB/sec write speed (tested locally with dd). But, with these, I get just less than half of this 1000 Mbps: 50MB/sec. |
| 08:27.54 | hanibana | tralala: does this seem normal? |
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| 08:29.01 | wfq | cobra-the-joker, none. I am about bying one and just want to make sure I will have no problems installing Debian on it. I mean reasonable problems, I don't feel like getting back to old days of recompiling the kernel |
| 08:29.09 | wfq | *my old days I mean |
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| 08:30.06 | tralala | hanibana, no it seems that something is slowing down the transfer |
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| 08:30.20 | cobra-the-joker | search if there is any reported errors on that one ... but seeing it ... dont have external Video card and well known wireless card .... shouldn't cause any problem |
| 08:30.27 | cobra-the-joker | wfq: ^ That was for you |
| 08:31.15 | Pontus | hanibana, SCP withouth encryption, is it a singel large file or loads of small files? |
| 08:32.51 | hanibana | Pontus: no a large file. The default is with encryption, yeah? |
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| 08:33.31 | Pontus | hanibana, yes it's default but should not cause losing 100MB/s |
| 08:33.48 | hanibana | tralala, Pontus, another point, the LAN switch which servers connect to, is Procurve 2824 with 10/100/1000 ports. From its specs, I read "1000Base-T: full ONLY"!. |
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| 08:35.49 | Pontus | if the servers did not link up with 1000Mbit you should have linked up in 100Mbit and that would limit ya to around 12MB/s |
| 08:36.57 | hanibana | Pontus: exactly, it was the case, when one of server was connected to a 2610 HP switch with fast eth ports. |
| 08:38.07 | wfq | cobra-the-joker, thanks. There seems to be some problems. |
| 08:38.41 | tralala | hanibana, test the network throughput with nc |
| 08:38.42 | wfq | wiht the wi-fi card in the stable version. I don't mind at all installing testing. I will keep researching and see. |
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| 08:41.11 | wfq | it'd be interesting whether someone did it already. |
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| 08:42.11 | tralala | hanibana, use /dev/zero as input to eliminate disk IO |
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| 08:45.40 | Keram | Hello. I have problem with automounting partitions. I have two discs (let's call them I and II as physical drives) which sometimes changes their /dev designations. one time disc 'I' is sda, and 'II' is sdb, while at next reboot 'I' is sdb and 'II' is sda - this made installation harder (messed with grub) and now messes with my /etc/fstab settings. any help please? |
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| 08:47.21 | hanibana | tralala: seems like /dev/zero does not work with scp. But, /dev/null works for destincation file. |
| 08:47.42 | tralala | hanibana, use nc, not scp |
| 08:48.37 | hanibana | yeah ok. |
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| 09:02.13 | hanibana | tralala: by nc, measured about 62 MB/sec. |
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| 09:03.00 | tralala | so it's narrowed down to CPU or network throughput |
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| 09:03.12 | hanibana | yeah |
| 09:03.38 | tralala | what does top say during the transfer? |
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| 09:05.19 | hanibana | wait... |
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| 09:10.15 | hanibana | with "yes" command piped to nc: at source server: Cpu(s): 7.4%us, 2.5%sy, 0.0%ni {yes process :~ 70 %, nc process :~ 20%}. Destincation: Cpu(s): 0.1%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni . {nc: ~ 15 %} |
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| 09:11.20 | tralala | hanibana, yes puts unnecessary stress on the CPU |
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| 09:11.35 | tralala | and perhaps piping too |
| 09:12.33 | hanibana | I got it from a tutorial. So what data and how to send through nc? |
| 09:12.53 | tralala | nc dest port < /dev/zero |
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| 09:13.45 | hanibana | tralala: so sorry, I had forgotten /dev/zero.... |
| 09:14.23 | ws2k3 | when i run apt-get upgrade i get this message e strict when passed a DATE() function value as their |
| 09:14.23 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.23 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.23 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.23 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:14.38 | ws2k3 | how should i continue? |
| 09:15.35 | ws2k3 | anyone ? |
| 09:16.16 | hanibana | tralala: 112 MB/sec |
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| 09:16.36 | hanibana | seems normal ? |
| 09:16.56 | SPF | ws2k3: I'm sorry, we didn't get the full problem description, please put it on pastebin |
| 09:17.04 | ws2k3 | i hit apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:17.49 | ws2k3 | and i get this message |
| 09:17.49 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/AyTXVHyV |
| 09:17.55 | PCChris | I can't seem to load modules.../proc/modules is always empty. Looking for help on how to fix. |
| 09:17.57 | ws2k3 | how can i say yes or conitue or so |
| 09:18.02 | tralala | hanibana, you couldn't ask for more |
| 09:18.23 | ecolitan | ws2k3: you can read it and press q |
| 09:18.27 | PCChris | Linux 3.0.17+ armv71 |
| 09:19.13 | ecolitan | ws2k3: but first think about if the incompatibilities are going to affect you |
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| 09:20.30 | tralala | hanibana, now add disk throughput to the picture by dd | nc |
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| 09:20.56 | ws2k3 | it dont effemt me |
| 09:21.01 | ws2k3 | but when i press q it quits |
| 09:21.05 | ws2k3 | how can i let it update |
| 09:21.07 | ws2k3 | upgrade |
| 09:21.10 | hanibana | tralala: yeah :) |
| 09:21.40 | wfq | guys, we are a small company and need to buy microsoft office licenses (around 4). What should we be looking at? We will have regular presentations but I don't think we need have a master degree on it |
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| 09:22.34 | tralala | wfq, you've come to the right place. |
| 09:22.49 | tralala | #debian is all about MS products |
| 09:22.50 | ecolitan | wfq: I think you should install the new windows version named "Debian Squeeze" |
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| 09:23.23 | ecolitan | wfq: you get the licences by donating to the FSF |
| 09:23.59 | aidalgol | wtf? |
| 09:24.33 | tralala | s/FSF/debian |
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| 09:27.00 | PCChris | I also have no /lib/modules/3.0.17+/ directory |
| 09:28.56 | tralala | PCChris, maybe your kernel has no modules support |
| 09:29.31 | PCChris | tralala, that is what I am afraid of...how can I check? |
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| 09:30.51 | wfq | guys, sorry it has been the wrong channel :) |
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| 09:31.31 | hanibana | tralala: 45 MB/sec |
| 09:31.35 | wfq | god, this is embarrasing |
| 09:32.10 | tralala | PCChris, the only way I can think of involves the .config file which you probably lack. |
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| 09:32.40 | PCChris | tralala, hmmm...ok |
| 09:32.58 | tralala | wfq, don't take it too deep - this is irc - it will be forgotten before it scrolls off the screen. |
| 09:33.10 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 09:33.15 | ws2k3 | my debian machine was upgrading |
| 09:33.21 | ws2k3 | and now my ssh session is timed |
| 09:33.41 | ws2k3 | aah its not timed just slow |
| 09:34.10 | tralala | are you upgrading over ssh and not using screen or tmux? |
| 09:34.30 | ws2k3 | how you mean ? |
| 09:34.33 | ws2k3 | tmux? |
| 09:34.54 | tralala | !tmux |
| 09:34.54 | dpkg | tmux is a terminal multiplexer. It enables a number of terminals (or windows) to be accessed and controlled from a single terminal and is intended to be a simple, modern, BSD-licensed alternative to programs such as GNU <screen>. http://tmux.sf.net/ |
| 09:35.42 | tralala | ws2k3, amongst other things, it keeps your shell alive even if the line disconnects |
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| 09:36.33 | tralala | a very wise thing to do when doing things remotely and doubly so when upgrading remotely |
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| 09:38.34 | hanibana | tralala: with dd if=/dev/zero (disk not involved, yeah?), it was around 50MB/sec too (dd had some CPU usage). |
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| 09:40.26 | hanibana | BTW, more than 50% speed drop! disappoiting! I don't know what these Xeop Quad/.../Core processors do ;) ! |
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| 09:41.06 | hanibana | tralala: I really really enjoyed and learnt useful stuff... thanks so much :-). |
| 09:41.10 | tralala | try nc < bigfile |
| 09:41.12 | g105b | Hi, I'm getting the 'No space left on device' error and I can't work out why. The hdd is 10GB, and I'm definitely not using 10GB on such a small machine. I run ncdu to check the largest folders, which states total disc usage to ~600mb, but df -h shows my /dev/xvda1 as 100% usage... Can someone help? |
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| 09:43.56 | tralala | g105b, what's the output of "mount" |
| 09:44.02 | tralala | and "df -h" |
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| 09:44.31 | tralala | hanibana, maybe piping (IPC) overhead is too much |
| 09:44.35 | siyb | does anyone know if 3.2.0-2-686-pae is affected by the recent mdadm metadata delete bug? |
| 09:45.30 | g105b | tralala: http://pastie.org/4203447 |
| 09:46.17 | tralala | g105b, /dev/xvda1 9.4G 8.9G 0 100% / tells the story |
| 09:46.23 | tralala | you're out of space |
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| 09:46.51 | g105b | tralala: But that's what I'm asking. I obly have 600mb of files on the machine. Where is this 9.4G coming from? |
| 09:46.58 | tralala | "du -sh /*" will tell you what's eating it |
| 09:47.53 | g105b | tralala: http://pastie.org/4203454 |
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| 09:48.47 | g105b | tralala: I still cant see where the files are that are taking up the space |
| 09:49.58 | tralala | ls -alh / |
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| 09:50.51 | g105b | tralala: http://pastie.org/4203458 |
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| 09:51.34 | tralala | maybe the file system is corrupt |
| 09:51.40 | g105b | I hope not! |
| 09:51.42 | EvOox- | Hi guys |
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| 09:51.49 | tralala | you haven't happen to mount it outside the VM, have you? |
| 09:51.59 | ix_ | so I want to change the GDM theme, I've downloaded a theme, what do I do with it? |
| 09:52.03 | EvOox- | I have made a tool to backup gmail mails |
| 09:52.16 | EvOox- | do you know how I can promote it on internet ? |
| 09:52.17 | hanibana | tralala: yes. IPS was the point. With <bigfile it was about 100 MB/sec. It was for disk reads. Now I'm going to add disk writes too. |
| 09:52.32 | g105b | tralala: I have accessed it via ssh on an ubuntu machine. |
| 09:53.07 | tralala | g105b, is this a remote machine? |
| 09:53.15 | tralala | a VPS? |
| 09:53.25 | g105b | tralala: yeah, its a rackspace cloud instance |
| 09:53.54 | hanibana | * IPC |
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| 09:54.12 | tralala | g105b, is there any way you can get a copy of the disk image? |
| 09:54.12 | g105b | EvOox-: you've reinvented Google Vault? |
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| 09:54.30 | g105b | tralala: yeah, I can download it whenever |
| 09:54.37 | EvOox- | g105b: oh yeaaaaaaah :d |
| 09:55.03 | g105b | EvOox-: I'd suggest copying how Google sell Vault, and asking in #marketing |
| 09:55.18 | tralala | hanibana, yep, if the write is good too, then the only bottleneck remaining is scp |
| 09:55.42 | tralala | g105b, have you rebooted at all? |
| 09:56.17 | g105b | tralala: I don't want to, because it's running a server that's in use ... I can do it but I'll annoy some people :) |
| 09:56.49 | pkkm | Which one has more clean configuration: nginx or Apache? |
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| 09:57.10 | g105b | pkkm: nginx is much lighter in terms of memory, but Apache is well supported |
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| 09:57.54 | tralala | g105b, given that the fs tools don't show where the disk usage is, I can only think of fs corruption. |
| 09:58.06 | tralala | to rule that out fsck has to run |
| 09:58.23 | g105b | tralala: I guess I'll just have to reboot |
| 09:58.46 | tralala | you could run it online, but it's best to do it when the fs is unmounted |
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| 10:00.21 | g105b | tralala: ok I rebooted, and the usage is back to 10% ... but now I'm waiting for the phone to start ringing with angry people on the end ... |
| 10:00.56 | g105b | I'm curious to what caused this though ... don't want to have to keep rebooting every so often just to keep the disc space down. |
| 10:00.57 | tralala | g105b, in your shoes I'd rather worry about what caused this behaviour. |
| 10:01.09 | tralala | exactly |
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| 10:01.42 | g105b | Well this server is set up exactly like 3 others, and this one is much younger than the others. The others have had no problem for years. |
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| 10:02.49 | tralala | it's very unlikely that the corruption is caused by normal operation |
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| 10:03.46 | tralala | the reason is probably unclean shutdown or simultaneous mounts (I don't know if that's possible in your case) |
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| 10:05.07 | VanDerSpar | As there are no users in the cron channel, would this be the place to ask? |
| 10:05.58 | tralala | for a debian system, yes |
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| 10:06.03 | VanDerSpar | Alright |
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| 10:06.50 | VanDerSpar | Can you tell me, in cron-tab, what exactly the $MAILON directive is? I might have overseen it, but I simply can't find it |
| 10:07.31 | VanDerSpar | Using Squeeze, to clear that out |
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| 10:08.42 | tralala | VanDerSpar, what's the whole line? |
| 10:08.48 | VanDerSpar | I currently got it sending me mails for whenever there's a new update, but I also want to include how to update it |
| 10:09.09 | VanDerSpar | http://pastebin.com/0jvnBDuB |
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| 10:11.39 | tralala | VanDerSpar, what's the name of this file? |
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| 10:14.06 | VanDerSpar | /etc/cron-apt/config |
| 10:15.05 | tralala | this is a cron-apt thing, not a cron thing - try the cron-apt docs |
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| 10:28.53 | hanibana | tralala: I've two partitions on destination server (where nc listens and writes to a file). First one is on a regular SAS drive and second one is on SAN. With just dd (dd if=/dev/zero of=/drive/somefile) on this server, I get 70MB/sec for SAS and 260MB/sec for SAN as write speeds. But, the tranfer rate when using nc writing to SAS disk and another time to SAN, is completely different! I get about 100MB/sec for SAS and 80 MB/sec for SAN! I repeated tests |
| 10:28.55 | hanibana | more than five tims... |
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| 10:30.43 | icecdocorp | I'm facing a similar issue. HP EVA, fiberchannel, connected ti Fiberchannel switch, connected to host. Can get aprox 80Mbps |
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| 10:33.37 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 10:34.32 | MaxFrames | what's the correct method to remove an older kernel when you are 100% sure that the new kernel gives no problems? so to free up disk space and clean up the grub2 menu? using squeeze |
| 10:34.46 | siyb | apt-get remove |
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| 10:36.23 | tralala | hanibana, 100MB is the limit of the lan and the 80MB (higher) might be due to caching |
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| 10:36.51 | MaxFrames | first remove the image and then the headers? or the other way round? |
| 10:37.25 | tralala | hanibana, my guess is that if you keep the SAN busy long enough the 80MB will drop |
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| 10:39.05 | tralala | hanibana, so what does scp do when it copies a single big file to a fast destination? |
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| 10:40.05 | moty66 | is there anyway to make a phone call from command line? |
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| 10:41.18 | hanibana | tralala: but what about SAS ? write speed with dd: 70MB, with nc: 100 MB! If this 100MB is for caching, why it does not work with dd? (anyway caching type is not clear for me). |
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| 10:41.55 | hanibana | I'll test scp and SAN long busy.... |
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| 10:44.29 | tralala | oh I was confused thinking it was 70MB dd and 80MB nc |
| 10:45.28 | tralala | a jump from 70 to a 100 is a bit too big to be caused by caching |
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| 10:47.23 | hanibana | tralala: scp: to SAN:~ 55MB, to SAS:~ 57MB |
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| 10:49.58 | tralala | single big file, right? |
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| 10:50.48 | hanibana | tralala: Yes |
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| 10:51.43 | tralala | so scp is doing something wrong or encryption is causing too much CPU/IO overhead. |
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| 10:52.10 | tralala | probably the latter |
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| 10:53.56 | tralala | what does iftop say when during scp operation? |
| 10:54.04 | tralala | s/when// |
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| 10:55.52 | hanibana | negative nc rcvd number means what? |
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| 10:57.02 | tralala | uh... a bug I guess |
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| 10:58.06 | f00 | hello |
| 10:58.12 | f00 | I have a question about this code : |
| 10:58.14 | f00 | http://pastebin.com/qCzhgiLa |
| 10:58.37 | hanibana | anyway in one test, your guess about SAN be busy long was correct. It was dropped under 20MB! |
| 10:58.43 | hanibana | for iftop.... |
| 10:58.50 | f00 | Why the cursor of $city array are not modified after the next() call ? |
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| 10:59.07 | f00 | if php work on a copy of array, why data as modified when we use reference ? |
| 10:59.46 | tralala | hanibana, 20MB drop or 20MB/s actual transfer speed? |
| 10:59.58 | f00 | hum |
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| 11:00.00 | hanibana | 20MB/s actual transfer speed. |
| 11:00.18 | f00 | sorry bad chan, but i thinks i have my answer |
| 11:00.19 | f00 | :) |
| 11:00.34 | hanibana | I will repeat it... |
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| 11:01.14 | tralala | hanibana, that's not what I expected. I expected it to settle close to the array throughput speed. |
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| 13:38.16 | gsouque2 | i want to configure multiple ethernet card on same subnet for an iscsi network storage with multipath |
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| 13:38.33 | raidghost | sounds fun gsouque2 ;) |
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| 13:38.44 | kajo | thewanderer1: poison? |
| 13:38.44 | gsouque2 | but only 1 interface work at the same time |
| 13:38.45 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: there are ru_UA and uk_UA locales available |
| 13:38.55 | gsouque2 | i played with this kernel options with no success: |
| 13:39.03 | gsouque2 | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore = 1 |
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| 13:39.14 | gsouque2 | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_announce = 2 |
| 13:39.15 | raidghost | thewanderer1: i dont seem to renember what the package is named. so i wonder what the package name was again |
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| 13:39.49 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: there is no package - in Debian, all languages come installed by default, besides KDE and some browsers |
| 13:39.55 | gsouque2 | http://pastebin.com/rMTX4KZ9 |
| 13:39.55 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:40.04 | raidghost | then it would be ukraine all the way ? |
| 13:40.16 | bassliner | what do i want to install in order to get the "host" command on debian stable? bind9-host? |
| 13:40.27 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: you might also need additional packages for iceweasel or chromium, they like to separate languages into packages |
| 13:40.35 | raviks | dpkg, hi |
| 13:40.35 | dpkg | moin moin |
| 13:41.01 | boudiccas | raviks: you like chatting to a bot? |
| 13:41.45 | raviks | sometimes |
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| 13:43.06 | Cottus | i have stable and testing repos, i need php5-suhosin, but needs phpapi-20090626 which is virtual |
| 13:43.27 | raidghost | thewanderer1: |
| 13:43.30 | thewanderer1 | Cottus: nobody needs suhosin |
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| 13:43.40 | Cottus | i'll send you my "mail" |
| 13:43.54 | raidghost | root@test-lab:~# dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 13:43.54 | raidghost | Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 13:44.01 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: locales |
| 13:44.03 | raidghost | aah my wrong |
| 13:44.51 | thewanderer1 | Cottus: php5-suhosin support has been dropped in Debian |
| 13:45.23 | Cottus | then, can you help me with this mail : http:/sprunge.us/hYaX ? |
| 13:45.33 | raidghost | guess that uk_UA.UTF8 UTF-8 should be enought |
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| 13:46.27 | Steve973 | hello. does apticron contain the ability to send emails, or does it use something like postfix? |
| 13:46.34 | thewanderer1 | Cottus: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:46.47 | Cottus | get rid of the last mail.. |
| 13:47.01 | stew | Cottus: "aptitude search '~Pphpapi-20090626'" should find packages providing this virtual package |
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| 13:47.14 | Cottus | thnx |
| 13:47.16 | thewanderer1 | Cottus: and you need to install suhosin in order to delete a mail? something is not right :P |
| 13:47.26 | Cottus | :D |
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| 13:48.17 | thewanderer1 | I see you have lots of warnings in the logs regarding missing suhosin. it just doesn't exist anymore in Wheezy, deal with it and remove it from your php.ini or PHP's conf.d :P |
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| 13:49.22 | raidghost | thewanderer1: so to get gnome language into ukraine |
| 13:49.28 | raidghost | i guess there is a desktop language package |
| 13:49.36 | Cottus | there's a suhosin.ini in /etc/php5/conf.d |
| 13:49.54 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: I think GNOME comes with them all installed by default |
| 13:49.57 | tremon | raidghost: most login managers have a language selector |
| 13:50.08 | raidghost | tremon: then i give it a shoot;) |
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| 13:50.38 | vixus | So I installed firmware-realtek, but no modules appear to have been built for my rtl8188ce card. |
| 13:50.45 | vixus | The module I was expecting is rtl8192ce |
| 13:50.51 | vixus | and also rtlwifi, probably |
| 13:51.00 | thewanderer1 | vixus: firmware packages don't contain module sources, only binary firmware blobs |
| 13:51.18 | vixus | thewanderer1: how do I build the modules then? |
| 13:51.33 | thewanderer1 | vixus: aren't they included with the kernel by default? if not, perhaps you need a newer kernel... |
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| 13:52.15 | Steve973 | Does apticron use an email agent to send emails or does it have that functionality internally? Mine's not sending me an email. |
| 13:52.28 | vixus | thewanderer1: I have the 3.2 (liquorix) kernel, |
| 13:52.45 | thewanderer1 | vixus: if you're using a liquorix kernel, ask liquorix about the modules :P |
| 13:53.07 | vixus | thewanderer1: is there a way of listing available modules? |
| 13:53.47 | thewanderer1 | vixus: they typically reside in /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VERSION/kernel/ |
| 13:54.10 | raidghost | thewanderer1: it says language not found. using default |
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| 13:54.26 | raidghost | i did select ukraine in the gnome login screen. |
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| 13:56.03 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: which language did you select? |
| 13:56.09 | raidghost | ukraine |
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| 13:57.08 | Bunnyh | does anyone know if the -1 option to dhclient in wheezy can be controlled somehow? it's just causing problems for me, though i can imageine it being useful in some cases |
| 13:57.25 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: check if this file exists: /usr/share/locale/uk/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-session-2.0.mo |
| 13:57.27 | Bunnyh | exiting the dhclient if the dhcp server happens to be down momentarily isn't a very good idea in my books |
| 13:58.44 | tremon | thewanderer1: /uk/ ? |
| 14:00.03 | thewanderer1 | tremon: I think that's the Ukrainian locale, yes |
| 14:00.19 | Steve973 | Do I need to install an MTA to use in conjunction with apticron, or does it have its own agent internally? |
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| 14:00.56 | thewanderer1 | Steve973: it uses the same facility as the normal cron, which is the local MTA |
| 14:01.09 | thewanderer1 | ("whatever you have installed") |
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| 14:01.48 | Steve973 | thewanderer1: ok, that's definitely the problem then. I have whatever is installed by default in ubuntu. Thanks for the response! |
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| 14:02.12 | tremon | ok, I thought I understood it was ua, but I'm only keeping half an eye on irc. Don't mind me ;) |
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| 14:05.35 | boudiccas | makes mental note not to support steve973 in future, damned ubuntu users! |
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| 14:06.26 | Steve973 | boudiccas: that's the spirit! |
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| 14:08.29 | stew | Steve973: #ubuntu is the correct channel for ubuntu support, not here |
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| 14:09.29 | Steve973 | stew: if you saw my question, you'd understand that I didn't need support for that particular distribution. Also note that I asked in both places, since apticron is used on both distributions. |
| 14:09.51 | stew | Steve973: doesn't matter, this is the wrong channel, if you don't want ubuntu, you can try ##linux |
| 14:10.46 | Steve973 | stew: nah, it's a fine channel to ask about apticron. |
| 14:11.23 | stew | Steve973: no, it's not. please take your questions elsewhere |
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| 14:16.47 | UltraMC | Hi im installing Java JDK 1.7, and when unpacking I get: |
| 14:17.07 | UltraMC | ~# tar -zxvf jdk-7-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 14:17.07 | UltraMC | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 14:17.07 | UltraMC | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 14:17.07 | UltraMC | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
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| 14:17.48 | UltraMC | Hi im installing Java JDK 1.7, and when unpacking I get: http://pastebin.com/fH45xMFf - how to unpack it? |
| 14:17.49 | dkr | UltraMC: maybe it's mis-named. try: file jdk-7-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 14:18.04 | UltraMC | jdk-7-linux-x64.tar.gz: HTML document text |
| 14:18.13 | dvs | O_O |
| 14:18.17 | dkr | well, there you go. probably an error message regarding the download |
| 14:18.27 | UltraMC | Huh? |
| 14:18.33 | UltraMC | How to unpack it? |
| 14:18.37 | kajo | i 've got an interrupted ssh session. there's a " Received disconnect from myclientip: 2: Packet corrupt" message in /var/log/auth.log. what could have caused this? that session is used for VNC tunneling and is nont the only session i have with that server. the other sessions are still running fine . The client and server distance is 3 meters (and the connection atm is via wireless). any clues ? |
| 14:18.45 | dkr | you've got an html document name jdk-7-linux-x64.tar.gz. so something went wrong when you downloaded it |
| 14:18.47 | dvs | UltraMC: you can't! It's an HTML file |
| 14:18.55 | UltraMC | Hmm |
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| 14:19.29 | kajo | *is not |
| 14:19.30 | digdilem | UltraMC, you downloaded the download page rather than the file you wanted, most likely. |
| 14:19.41 | thewanderer1 | UltraMC: you probably downloaded it with wget from a link, thinking that it would lead you directly to the tarball. silly, this is the era of shiny Flash landing pages :P |
| 14:19.45 | Ariii | Hi! |
| 14:19.55 | digdilem | I miss the days when a link was a link. |
| 14:19.57 | UltraMC | How to download JDK from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-se-jdk-7-download-432154.html directly to my Debian? |
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| 14:20.21 | UltraMC | thewanderer1, yes I did |
| 14:20.26 | stew | UltraMC: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:20.31 | UltraMC | Squeeze 6 |
| 14:20.56 | kajo | also, this sort of problem appears sometime when i transfer big files from client to server (via wired connection, distance: 1meter) o.O |
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| 14:21.15 | stew | UltraMC: is there a reason you want the non-free oracle java instead of the free openjdk? |
| 14:21.37 | UltraMC | I need JAVA "JDK 1.7.0" |
| 14:22.03 | stew | i'm not sure how to interpret that |
| 14:22.23 | UltraMC | I had 1.6, purged it, need 1.7 |
| 14:22.24 | UltraMC | Over |
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| 14:22.39 | stew | UltraMC: what about my question? |
| 14:22.40 | dkr | (it still grates my eyes to see "oracle java" :) |
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| 14:22.49 | UltraMC | stew: http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/optimize-java-for-minecraft-in-a-extreme-way-p-need-feedback-thx-i-am-back.25994/ |
| 14:22.57 | nsadmin | maybe he;s doing android stff |
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| 14:24.06 | intore | hi, i can't print from my debian to an epson stylus sx130. this morning i installed the drivers from epson site, after many trials it printed but now it still not printing |
| 14:24.06 | UltraMC | I need JAVA "JDK 1.7.0", how to get it on my Debian? |
| 14:24.20 | LordShiva | Huh |I have problem because I though my machine was hacked I install harden packages and now I cant connect to my webserver apache nor with browser nor with telnet |
| 14:24.47 | boudiccas | LordShiva: sounds like you need to reinstall |
| 14:24.52 | nsadmin | UltraMC doesn't the oage say? |
| 14:24.55 | intore | could you help me please? |
| 14:24.57 | UltraMC | Sorry, what? |
| 14:25.14 | LordShiva | And I didnt install harden clients |
| 14:25.15 | nsadmin | UltraMC doesn't the oage say? |
| 14:25.28 | UltraMC | What;s oage? |
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| 14:25.37 | LordShiva | How to check if my webserver is working when I cant connect to it ? |
| 14:25.44 | LordShiva | on 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:25.44 | UltraMC | I do not see any oages here :) |
| 14:26.03 | UltraMC | lordshiva ping it? |
| 14:26.43 | nsadmin | UltraMC, this page: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-se-jdk-7-download-432154.html |
| 14:27.33 | stew | LordShiva: if you cannot connect to it, doesn't that mean it is not working? |
| 14:27.50 | LordShiva | nope nothing in error log |
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| 14:28.22 | LordShiva | I think I have some problem with local name resolution actually not I cant connect on number IP 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:28.47 | LordShiva | Ping not work for localhost 100% loss |
| 14:28.59 | UltraMC | nsadmin, how to download it? wget gets the wrong file |
| 14:29.12 | stew | LordShiva: what does "getent hosts localhost" return? |
| 14:29.16 | nsadmin | try clicking the link |
| 14:29.53 | LordShiva | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 14:30.18 | LordShiva | from the moment I install harden packages I cant connect to webserver |
| 14:30.32 | LordShiva | Probably is some settings changed |
| 14:30.33 | stew | LordShiva: can "netstat -plnt | grep :80" show that apache is listening to port 80 on some ip address? |
| 14:31.16 | nsadmin | UltraMC, scroll down, accept agreememt, pick which one, click that |
| 14:31.18 | kajo | UltraMC: start the download via browser (firefox). then copy the link from the "Downloads" window and use it with wget. as alternative you can simply download the file via firefox. |
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| 14:32.52 | LordShiva | yeap it listen on all interfaces 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 14:33.20 | stew | LordShiva: but "telnet localhost 80" doesn't connect? |
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| 14:33.43 | LordShiva | no not even telnet 127.0.0.1 80 |
| 14:34.12 | stew | what happens? connection refused? timeout? |
| 14:34.36 | LordShiva | nothing just stay without answer |
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| 14:34.40 | nsadmin | UltraMC, and have a lot of fun with that... my turtle just texted me, it needs to be walked |
| 14:34.44 | LordShiva | trying 127.0.0.1 80 ... |
| 14:35.02 | LordShiva | this is output of command for listening port |
| 14:35.05 | LordShiva | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6249/apache2 |
| 14:35.19 | LordShiva | should it listen on 127.0.0.1:80 or on all |
| 14:35.35 | nsadmin | right now it is listening on all |
| 14:35.44 | stew | LordShiva: sounds like there is a firewall |
| 14:36.01 | stew | LordShiva: can you pastebin the output of "iptables-save" ? |
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| 14:36.20 | LordShiva | ok |
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| 14:36.56 | LordShiva | I have firestarter as firewwall and it is easy for settings |
| 14:37.25 | stew | so set it to allow you to connect to apache? |
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| 14:40.58 | UltraMC | How to download it to my Debian: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-se-jdk-7-download-432154.html ? |
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| 14:41.09 | UltraMC | nsadmin, fuck you |
| 14:41.25 | UltraMC | kajo ty, checking right now |
| 14:41.30 | boudiccas | UltraMC: that was uncalled for! |
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| 14:42.00 | stew | UltraMC: take a 10 minute breather. please keep things civil when you return |
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| 14:46.26 | LordShiva | ok here it is |
| 14:46.52 | LordShiva | it look like it have some rules prior to usual port filter rules |
| 14:46.54 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/yyfrmk1x |
| 14:48.04 | LordShiva | This are probably some snort rules ? |
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| 14:50.00 | stew | LordShiva: I don't see anything allowing port 80 |
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| 14:51.00 | LordShiva | I have set it out as connect from host 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:51.09 | LordShiva | and all for port 80 |
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| 14:54.06 | LordShiva | what is all in that mangle part ? I didnt do the homework and dont know everything about iptables |
| 14:54.23 | LordShiva | that part dont apear when I run iptables -S |
| 14:54.26 | LordShiva | show |
| 14:54.59 | H4x012 | what do you wanna do? |
| 14:55.59 | LordShiva | who H4x012 ? me ? |
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| 14:56.20 | H4x012 | yeah |
| 14:56.35 | stew | LordShiva: its changing the TOS bits of the packets, those bits are meant to give hints to routers about how the packets should be treated wrt QoS |
| 14:56.46 | LordShiva | I just want to make my apache be possible to connect again |
| 14:56.48 | LordShiva | too |
| 14:57.07 | LordShiva | aha ok |
| 14:57.18 | stew | LordShiva: so its saying that port 22 (ssh) should be treated as interactive, for minimum delay, ports 6000-6015 for maximum throughput, and the other for maxumum reliability |
| 14:57.39 | LordShiva | ok thx |
| 14:57.47 | stew | yeah, it does look like lo should get through |
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| 14:59.26 | LordShiva | ok here it is new paste I allowed port 80 to all |
| 14:59.27 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/dKLZR0iq |
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| 14:59.59 | LordShiva | again nothing nor telnetnor web browser |
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| 15:01.07 | stew | LordShiva: and the lo interface is actually up? |
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| 15:27.30 | LordShiva | sorry I was busy out of machine for a while |
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| 15:27.41 | LordShiva | Yeap it is lo is not configured |
| 15:27.54 | colo-work | is it possible that squeeze's udev config is ill-equipped to create device nodes for iscsi devices? |
| 15:28.00 | LordShiva | damn it I was removed lo from interfaces I just now get that |
| 15:28.54 | fasta | svn tells me: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale. How can that be fixed? |
| 15:29.00 | LordShiva | everything work fine now with apache |
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| 15:29.54 | stew | fasta: is this in an ssh session coming from a mac? |
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| 15:33.27 | LordShiva | how to get rid of many IP messages in my syslog ? |
| 15:33.28 | fasta | stew: no, from a chroot coming from Ubuntu |
| 15:33.43 | LordShiva | thxstew |
| 15:33.49 | LordShiva | thx stew |
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| 15:34.40 | dschuett | when trying to install debian-multimedia-keyring i get the following error "deb-multimedia-keyring but it is not installable" |
| 15:34.43 | dschuett | any ideas? |
| 15:34.51 | dschuett | using deiab wheezy |
| 15:34.56 | dschuett | debian* |
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| 15:35.22 | fasta | stew: locale -a doesn't show a lot of them, so I suppose I have to generate some. |
| 15:36.29 | sney | !tell dschuett about bat |
| 15:37.05 | stew | LordShiva: see that the last rule in both outgoing and incoming goes to LSI and LSO logging rules |
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| 15:37.28 | stew | LordShiva: after a trip through the emtpy LOG_FILTER which perhaps exists to limit the things that are logged |
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| 15:39.06 | intore | hi, i can't print from my debian to an epson stylus sx130. this morning i installed the drivers from epson site, after many trials it printed but now it still not printing. could you help me please? |
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| 15:39.32 | sney | intore: what print server are you using |
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| 15:41.05 | intore | sney, i installed cups |
| 15:41.42 | sney | intore: can you print a test page from the cups interface? |
| 15:42.02 | intore | sney, no |
| 15:42.33 | sney | restart the cups daemon and try again |
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| 15:42.47 | intore | sney, i send the command to print a test page but it doesn't do nothing |
| 15:43.06 | sney | that is 'service cups restart' as root |
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| 15:45.21 | intore | sney, the same beahavior. any answer |
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| 15:45.40 | sney | intore: what does the cups page say for the printer status |
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| 15:46.41 | intore | sney, Processing - "Processing page 1..." |
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| 15:47.24 | nsadmin | intore, are all those test page jobs still in the queue? |
| 15:47.43 | intore | nsadmin, no, i deleted them |
| 15:47.48 | fasta | How can I control dpkg-reconfigure locales non-interactively? |
| 15:47.55 | nsadmin | so they were there... |
| 15:48.01 | fasta | I.e. obtain the same effect, without running dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 15:48.25 | intore | no, after every trial i deleted |
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| 15:49.03 | nsadmin | oh ok... the jist of my question was to see if most of cups is working, and it seems to be |
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| 15:49.22 | intore | sney, nsadmin, i installed the driver from epson site |
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| 15:49.32 | sney | that's the one recommended by openprinting |
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| 15:49.44 | sasi | Hello,, how do I upgrade python3 .. |
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| 15:49.55 | sney | intore: try disconnect / reconnect the printer |
| 15:50.06 | sasi | repo seems to have only 3.1,, I need 3.2 |
| 15:50.18 | sney | ,versions python3 |
| 15:50.19 | intore | sney, ok |
| 15:50.20 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3~rc2-1; sid: 3.2.3-1 |
| 15:50.21 | nsadmin | , v python3 |
| 15:50.22 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3~rc2-1; sid: 3.2.3-1 |
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| 15:50.26 | sqrrl | i'm installing debian and it asks if i want to install "file server". there's nodescription whatsoever; what could this mean? ftp? scp? |
| 15:50.30 | sney | ,checkbackport python3 |
| 15:50.31 | judd | Backporting package python3 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 15:51.06 | randolf1956 | i have a goflex home with archlinux installed on it, how can wipe it clean and install debian ? |
| 15:51.08 | sney | sqrrl: I think popcon defines that as samba or nfs - or you can just leave it unchecked and install your fileserver of choice once the system is running |
| 15:51.15 | sney | randolf1956: what's a goflex home |
| 15:51.26 | randolf1956 | its a plug computer |
| 15:51.33 | randolf1956 | with marvell kirkwood proccy |
| 15:51.37 | tremon | fasta: man locale.gen |
| 15:51.46 | sasi | Well, thanks, I didnt get an answer from crunchbang.. maybe I though try in debian. |
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| 15:51.58 | randolf1956 | archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-goflex-home |
| 15:52.05 | sasi | ty |
| 15:52.07 | sqrrl | sney: well, thanks... |
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| 15:52.09 | randolf1956 | have this distro atm |
| 15:52.16 | sney | sasi: note: crunchbang is not supported here, so instructions for debian... argh |
| 15:52.19 | intore | sney, nothing, the same. uff |
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| 15:52.27 | sney | intore: printers are pretty awful |
| 15:53.01 | intore | sney, i hate the printers |
| 15:53.02 | nsadmin | which is it? pretty or awful? |
| 15:53.31 | sney | randolf1956: should be as simple as putting an installer iso on $media and booting with it, #debian-arm may have specifics for you, but if it already runs arch it shouldn't need anything special. |
| 15:53.34 | tremon | randolf1956: I'd ask in #debian-arm on oftc. Often these arm machines have special needs... |
| 15:53.48 | sney | ha. right, on oftc. I never remember which one I'm on |
| 15:53.59 | randolf1956 | sure thanks for redirecting me :D |
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| 15:54.09 | madtux | Hi to everyone |
| 15:54.29 | madtux | anyone has familiarity with the certificate with puppet & co? |
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| 15:54.48 | sney | !anyone |
| 15:54.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:55.09 | intore | sney, the strange thing is the absence of error message. it doesn't print, simply |
| 15:55.28 | sney | this is unfortunately how it usually goes |
| 15:55.31 | randolf1956 | tremon: is it on freenode ? |
| 15:55.40 | boudiccas | intore: check teh connections |
| 15:55.43 | tremon | randolf1956: oftc.net |
| 15:55.54 | sney | (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 15:56.14 | nsadmin | wht do the cups logs have to say? |
| 15:56.23 | intore | boudiccas, it's connected |
| 15:56.34 | nsadmin | well none of these jobs completed |
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| 15:57.27 | randolf1956 | thanks tremon sney |
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| 16:00.53 | intore | nsadmin, sney, the status is still "Processing" until i'll delete the jobs |
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| 16:04.18 | nsadmin | intore, what if you disconnect the printer and try |
| 16:04.21 | nsadmin | cups should see this, so let's see if it does |
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| 16:06.45 | mavez | nein |
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| 16:08.47 | intore | nsadmin, mmm, interesting! is the same: processing and before sending test page printing it was ready |
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| 16:15.45 | Some_Person | What is the best way to allow users write access to /var/www? |
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| 16:16.47 | intore | nsadmin, have you got advices? |
| 16:17.05 | mtl | eminem |
| 16:17.13 | mtl | real slim shady |
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| 16:17.53 | ksk | Some_Person: take a look at apaches mod_userdir, ppl can use ~/public_html then, and access via $domain/~$username |
| 16:17.53 | trysten | Some_Person: i think the www-data group. usermod -Ga www-data <user> |
| 16:18.10 | trysten | that's a better idea. |
| 16:18.11 | Some_Person | ok, thanks, will look into it |
| 16:18.22 | dkr | Some_Person: multiple people editing the same files? sounds like a job for a revision control system. they can all edit the files locally on their own systems. commit to repo, and then they can be pushed to production /var/www by a sudo svn update on the server |
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| 16:18.33 | ksk | if you really want to give them access to that one folder do create a new group and dont use www-data |
| 16:19.02 | trysten | ksk: what is that for? |
| 16:19.14 | Some_Person | ksk: Why use a different group? |
| 16:19.45 | dkr | Some_Person: so that code run by the web server can't overwrite the files |
| 16:19.52 | nsadmin | intore, so it apparantly is well before the job would get sent to the printer |
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| 16:21.17 | nsadmin | and maybe that means the driver was never involved |
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| 16:22.02 | intore | nsadmin, so, must reinstall it? for the third time?!?!? |
| 16:22.27 | nsadmin | reinstall what? |
| 16:22.39 | intore | nsadmin, the printer |
| 16:23.04 | nsadmin | well maybe edit the printer object |
| 16:23.29 | intore | nsadmin, how? |
| 16:23.31 | nsadmin | maybe make sure the driver is working |
| 16:23.48 | intore | nsadmin, i don't know how |
| 16:23.58 | nsadmin | maybe thru the web interface |
| 16:24.21 | ksk | trysten, Some_Person they have access to some files of the running server, see "find / -user www-data" |
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| 16:25.04 | trysten | ksk: oh my.. |
| 16:26.12 | kajo | hi @ * |
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| 16:28.39 | gsouque2 | need help for configurint multiple interface on same network for iscsi and multipath |
| 16:28.50 | gsouque2 | it have tried this without success |
| 16:29.00 | kajo | if i have 2 user on a machine and i want userA to be able to access it via ssh but i want to avoid userB to be able to access (via ssh) how can i do? i 've read /etc/ssh/sshd_config but there i can only disable root access. how can i avoid userb to connect directly via ssh. userb must to access the machine only via su. (the goal: usera access via ssh, usera use "sudo bash" and then he use that root access to do "su userb" ) |
| 16:29.06 | kajo | *2 users |
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| 16:29.48 | BtbN | just disallow login vis password and only give usera an authorized public key. |
| 16:29.50 | intore | nsadmin, my knowledge of cups and printers in generally is little- i'll wrote on the forums |
| 16:30.19 | gsouque2 | net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter=0 |
| 16:30.20 | gsouque2 | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_filter = 1 |
| 16:30.20 | gsouque2 | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_announce = 2 |
| 16:30.20 | gsouque2 | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore = 1 |
| 16:30.20 | gsouque2 | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_accept = 0 |
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| 16:30.35 | kajo | BtbN: how can i do that? do i have to change "x" with "*" in /etc/passwd ? |
| 16:30.55 | BtbN | just configure your sshd correctly. |
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| 16:31.04 | gsouque2 | http://pastebin.com/mKJ3uGnE |
| 16:31.57 | LordShiva | Well since today I upgraded fglrx i dont have 2d and 3d rendering |
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| 16:36.48 | nkuttler | LordShiva: broken in wheezy |
| 16:37.18 | kajo | BtbN: the ssh config is ok. it is a general config, it doesnt allow per user configuration. |
| 16:37.55 | nkuttler | kajo: man 5 sshd_config |
| 16:39.04 | BtbN | kajo: if it allows login via password, it's obviously not ok, if you want to disable login via password. |
| 16:39.09 | nkuttler | kajo: btw, this is all explained in the securing debian manual. you still didn't read it? |
| 16:39.40 | kajo | found: AllowUsers |
| 16:39.49 | LordShiva | yeap can I downgrade it ? |
| 16:40.00 | nkuttler | !tell LordShiva about snapshot |
| 16:40.07 | BtbN | kajo: still uses password login. |
| 16:40.07 | kajo | nkuttler: i cant read a manual in half hour :P |
| 16:40.10 | BtbN | which is insecure. |
| 16:40.29 | nkuttler | yeah, looking up ssh in the index is so hard .oO |
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| 16:41.14 | kajo | BtbN: how can passwordless login be secure? if somebody get the key file security is 0 |
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| 16:42.33 | BtbN | yeah, loosing a keyfile is so much easier than loosing a short password... |
| 16:42.52 | BtbN | and he still has to break the encryption on the key file |
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| 16:44.22 | kajo | who talked about *short* password? not me |
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| 16:45.07 | nkuttler | kajo: read about key auth. it *is* more secure |
| 16:45.17 | nkuttler | we're actually trying to help you, not to mislead you |
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| 16:46.03 | kajo | nkuttler: but copying someone's key one could be able to access to the server with that account. right? |
| 16:46.11 | stew | kajo: even with a very long password, it is likely to take far less time then to brute force a key |
| 16:46.14 | nkuttler | kajo: if done wrongly |
| 16:46.21 | BtbN | kajo: so you're using a 2048 bits long password, which is not possible to get, even with full access to the server? |
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| 16:46.55 | stew | kajo: if you are in a situation where a malicious user has access to places where people store their keys, you probably already lost |
| 16:46.59 | LordShiva | anyone know work around or versions of packagesforfglrx and xorg |
| 16:47.26 | BtbN | storing a key unencrypted is also very dumb. |
| 16:47.31 | kajo | stew: i often check /var/log/auth.log, i could notice someone's attempt to access who try to find the right password |
| 16:47.34 | BtbN | so you have to get the keys password first |
| 16:47.36 | daemonkeeper | whistles something about http://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 16:47.48 | nkuttler | sighs |
| 16:47.59 | BtbN | kajo: yeah, because of that it's a good idea to disable password login completely. |
| 16:48.26 | kajo | BtbN: it's easier to get a key file in ~/.ssh/ than a password from the ram. |
| 16:48.37 | BtbN | ... |
| 16:48.54 | stew | kajo: seriously, if you have malicous users snooping around in ~/.ssh, its already game over |
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| 16:49.23 | BtbN | kajo: the stuff in authorized_keys on the server is just public keys |
| 16:49.35 | BtbN | without the matching private key, you can't login |
| 16:50.13 | BtbN | and if a user stores an unencrypted private key which is world reabable on his machine, than he'd also do this with his password. |
| 16:50.36 | BtbN | pubkey auth is superior to password login in all cases |
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| 16:51.59 | kajo | daemonkeeper: LOL |
| 16:52.01 | {g} | Hello! One of my bootable partitions does not show up in my boot menu. Any idea what I can do? |
| 16:52.34 | nkuttler | kajo: what is the reason you reject every advice you ask for? |
| 16:52.45 | nkuttler | oh, never mind.. you read the comic.. |
| 16:53.00 | stew | heh, I figured it was going to be this one: http://xkcd.com/538/ |
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| 16:53.20 | z28 | {g}: run `os-prober`? |
| 16:53.29 | nkuttler | stew: oh, that's what i was thinking as well |
| 16:53.39 | nkuttler | seems more relevant |
| 16:53.47 | {g} | z28: i did "update-grub" and now its in the menu! |
| 16:54.26 | z28 | {g}: superb |
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| 16:54.51 | {g} | z28: one of the partitions is like 10 times in the boot menu. how do i get rid of it? |
| 16:55.01 | kajo | nkuttler: i didnt reject. i'm sorry if i give you that impression. thanks @ * for the advice, i'll switch to key-only authentication. :) |
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| 16:57.17 | sqrrl | i've just installed debian and i'm trying to set some preferences (get root access). how do i get some help in "system settings"? f1 doesn't do anything |
| 16:57.32 | z28 | {g}: possibly edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg and update grub again but that's just a guess. |
| 16:57.33 | EmleyMoor | XKCD/806 and 936 - two to live |
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| 16:58.43 | {g} | z28: on which partition? i have 3 linux partitions now. |
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| 17:00.05 | z28 | {g}: the partition the boot menu is using, i really don't know. |
| 17:00.42 | {g} | z28: yeah, but i have no clue which one it is using. |
| 17:01.06 | kryptoz | Hi all, is there a way using rsync I can take a incremental backup but without keeping full snapshop in the backup destination ? like keep a delta of the full snapshot and use that for the diff/rsync ? |
| 17:01.40 | {g} | z28: since i did the "update-grub" while running my debian 6 partition, maybe i should do it on that one. |
| 17:02.05 | kryptoz | *snapshot |
| 17:02.08 | digdilem | kryptoz, have you considered backup-manager or backuppc ? |
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| 17:02.20 | z28 | {g}: that makes sense |
| 17:02.31 | kryptoz | digdilem, I will check both of them, |
| 17:02.40 | kryptoz | digdilem, thanks |
| 17:02.40 | stew | {g}: it shows you many duplicate entries? or the same entry with different kernels? |
| 17:03.02 | digdilem | kryptoz, np. both will use rsync and the former incremental |
| 17:03.03 | stew | {g}: its likely that editing that file will only do what you want until the next time update-grub is run |
| 17:03.09 | digdilem | latter too, but different |
| 17:03.15 | nsadmin | {g}, if I were to install another debian, I would run update-grub from the first debian |
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| 17:03.53 | {g} | stew: not sure, will have to rebbot to see what it shows exactly. |
| 17:04.53 | {g} | installed the OSes in this order: ubuntu 8, debian 6, ubuntu 12. |
| 17:05.06 | kryptoz | digdilem, thanks once again. So far I have backup-manager, backuppc, duplicity and rdiffdir to checkout if any of those helps. :) |
| 17:05.24 | stew | kryptoz: a strategy used by some backup tools is to use rsync against a hardlink forest. your files are hardlinks with files in another location, rsync can do its thing and replace the hardlinks with new files when files have changed |
| 17:05.36 | {g} | kryptoz: i use rdiff-backup and love it. |
| 17:06.39 | nsadmin | stew, interesting... what creates the forest? |
| 17:07.37 | kryptoz | stew, thanks, but does that mean I need to keep the full snapshot somewhere in the backup destination ? |
| 17:07.55 | stew | nsadmin: i've used dirvish and backuppc which do this, i assume others are doing the same |
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| 17:08.18 | kryptoz | I wanted them to be taken to the tapes and removed from the harddisk, and still keep taking incremental backup for a week before another full snapshot. |
| 17:08.27 | nsadmin | stew, would creating the forest be a one-time initialization step? |
| 17:09.00 | kryptoz | {g}, thanks for the pointer. Will ponder that option too :) |
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| 17:09.31 | stew | kryptoz: you'd always need at least one full tree on disk to rsync against |
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| 17:10.07 | stew | nsadmin: you can do a backup by taking some previous backup, duplicate the entire thing using hardlinks, then rsync against that duplicate |
| 17:10.17 | stew | nsadmin: but the backup tools are doing far more sophisticated things |
| 17:10.23 | kryptoz | stew, yes thats what I understood so far, but wondering if we can, instead of files, keep a delta of it to compare against and do the incremental. That will save a lot of space in the destination machine :D |
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| 17:11.29 | kryptoz | I have a commercial app (netvault) that does something similar. It does not keep the fulll snap shot for the comparison if I remember correctly |
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| 17:11.44 | {g} | kryptoz: from all the tools i have seen to do incremental backups i like it most. another option that i did not dig in too much, but that might also be good is to use git. |
| 17:11.54 | kryptoz | and still takes the incremental, I think amanda also does that. but its not viable for me |
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| 17:13.19 | kryptoz | {g}, thanks, but isnt git a version control system ? sorry if that was a stupid remark ! |
| 17:13.26 | {g} | kryptoz: yes, it is. |
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| 17:14.28 | {g} | kryptoz: a vcs i mean. not a stupid remark :) |
| 17:15.24 | kryptoz | i got it. I think it wont help me in my specific aim of saving space for incremental backup by not keeping the previous full backup in the destination disk |
| 17:16.10 | kryptoz | I guess I will look at rdiffdir first if that helps I can use it with any of the backup solutions you all mentioned I guess. If it works :) |
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| 17:24.02 | {g} | kryptoz: i think rdiff-backup is the only thing you need. |
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| 17:24.05 | kryptoz | will check that definitely :) thanks a lot {g} for the help :) |
| 17:24.05 | gnarface | bah netvault |
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| 17:24.06 | gnarface | what a piece of shit |
| 17:24.06 | gnarface | overpriced shovelware backed by a team of monkeys wearing intelligent-looking costumes |
| 17:24.06 | kryptoz | gnarface, it is.. but it does the job somehow :) |
| 17:24.07 | gnarface | that was not my experience with it, kryptoz |
| 17:24.07 | gnarface | (that it "does the job" somehow or anyhow) |
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| 17:24.07 | kryptoz | what do you use now |
| 17:24.08 | gnarface | a ~20 line bash script i wrote. i call it not_netvault.sh |
| 17:24.09 | kryptoz | :) very wise |
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| 17:24.09 | gnarface | but i'm not going for incrementals |
| 17:24.11 | kryptoz | yes, we have around 500GB of data backed up every 2 days.. and incremental is a must :( |
| 17:24.12 | gnarface | yea, i still get away with using tarball snapshots of selected important directories (/home, /etc) because that makes it easier for the plebes to find and restore their shit using only windows gui tools... |
| 17:24.12 | fasta | kryptoz: how much would you be willing to pay for something which worked? |
| 17:24.15 | fasta | There are so many backup solutions which don't work. |
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| 17:24.15 | engla | bup is cool. Not sure if it works, though |
| 17:24.15 | kryptoz | we already have something that could work, in gnarface's opinion (and most of mine too) a piece of shit, and I can spend less for extra client licenses and get the job done. But I wanted to not depend on them as I find the support is a mess |
| 17:24.16 | gnarface | kryptoz: i think rdiff-backup is a hot tip. i think you should wrap that in a bash script and go |
| 17:24.16 | fasta | The ones that do 'work' are impossible to configure or don't scale to PBs of data. |
| 17:24.16 | kryptoz | and I want to use less of the commercial applications, so the answer is nothing :) |
| 17:24.17 | kryptoz | sure gnarface, with much thanks to {g}, will work on it :) |
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| 17:24.18 | fasta | kryptoz: I mean based on some flat fee for your organization. |
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| 17:24.20 | fasta | I have the impression everyone wants to pay nothing and in the end everyone ends up with a crappy solution. |
| 17:24.20 | nsadmin | stew, another topic, you asked whether it was possible to have three arches... I want to learn what's up with this; will you help me? |
| 17:24.24 | dondelelcaro | kryptoz: I'd personally try out obnam |
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| 17:24.30 | dondelelcaro | kryptoz: that's actually what I've switched to now |
| 17:24.38 | mlt- | When creating a package, how can I exclude package version from the file name? Version name is gonna be a part of package name. Like with kernels? I can't seem to hit right keywords with google :( |
| 17:24.40 | kryptoz | fasta, managing a 60-100 backup scripts would definitely need some commercial help. but for making it work for score of backups, I dont think it will be a big deal with free apps |
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| 17:25.05 | dondelelcaro | mlt-: you can't |
| 17:25.12 | stew | mlt-: with kernels the version is included in the file name |
| 17:25.15 | nsadmin | mlt-, you can't, it's part of how the packaging system works |
| 17:25.24 | fasta | kryptoz: I don't think I can quite parse that sentence. |
| 17:25.36 | mlt- | then.. how can I install multiple versions of my package without replacing one another? |
| 17:25.50 | stew | obnam is on my list of things to look at. that list I never find time to service |
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| 17:26.06 | stew | mlt-: by changing the package name |
| 17:26.27 | kryptoz | fasta, I was trying to say its not always a crappy solution most of us endup with, even when we dont want to pay anything. |
| 17:26.31 | nsadmin | mlt-, if the version of the package is in the name of the package, it will be a separate package |
| 17:26.35 | mlt- | right now I get pacakge-version_version.i386.deb as a result of debuild ... I just don't want for version to appear twice |
| 17:27.01 | kryptoz | anyway thanks a bunch guys got a few names to check on their reputation ;) |
| 17:27.04 | fasta | kryptoz: if it requires any user-interaction, it's a crappy solution. |
| 17:27.05 | kryptoz | *app names |
| 17:27.09 | nsadmin | mlt-, according to your statement of what you want, you can't help that |
| 17:27.10 | stew | mlt-: this is how it works... for instance, you'll see that kernel packages are named like linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64_3.2.20-1_amd64.deb |
| 17:27.20 | trysten | is there some way to give cpio a destination? |
| 17:27.25 | stew | nsadmin: what should I do to help? |
| 17:27.31 | mlt- | stew: hm... then I was looking somewhere at the wrong place :-) |
| 17:27.36 | kryptoz | oh everything needs an eye on it. You cannot completely forget anything that you guess will work trouble free |
| 17:27.42 | fasta | kryptoz: by that, I mean that perhaps the very idea of 'backup' and 'restore' as operations a human needs to do is already going down the wrong path. |
| 17:27.46 | mlt- | ok... so I got to have version twice in the file name |
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| 17:27.53 | mlt- | thanks |
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| 17:28.49 | kryptoz | oh I am backing up hundreds of human and computer hours in a 1 or 10GB tarball. It does makes sense dont you think ? |
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| 17:29.42 | nsadmin | stew, thanks for responding... first, could you give one example of an arch you could not install if the cpu is amd64xN |
| 17:29.54 | stew | nsadmin: no idea |
| 17:30.24 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: what were you using before obnam and why did you switch? |
| 17:30.34 | nsadmin | ok, less hypothetical, could an arm arch be installed (perhaps to support cross builds) |
| 17:30.35 | kryptoz | dondelelcaro, thanks for pointing me to obnam. will check that too :) |
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| 17:32.47 | nsadmin | is an arch like a completely separate installation with its own packages? |
| 17:33.33 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: duplicity |
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| 17:34.06 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: I switched because duplicity takes forever, doesn't deduplicate across many clients, and tends to have huge local cache files |
| 17:34.11 | gnarface | nsadmin: for the most part yes, i think |
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| 17:34.41 | gnarface | nsadmin: i thought there are a few packages that are not arch specific, but i'm not actually sure |
| 17:34.46 | stew | nsadmin: no |
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| 17:35.04 | stew | nsadmin: it just means you can start pulling packages from another arch, not a completely separate install |
| 17:35.31 | SpaceAviator | I have to boot with either noapic or nolapic - can someone tell me what exactly am I missing out on with those disabled? |
| 17:35.36 | stew | gnarface: there are tons of packages which are not arch specfic. note that he is asking specifically in the context of multiarch |
| 17:35.48 | gnarface | stew: ah |
| 17:36.06 | dvs | SpaceAviator: power management |
| 17:36.44 | SpaceAviator | dvs: that's APCI, no? |
| 17:36.54 | SpaceAviator | ACPI* |
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| 17:37.22 | dvs | SpaceAviator: Yeah, so when you say "noapic", you disable the power management features. |
| 17:37.42 | SpaceAviator | dvs: how does A-P-I-C disable APIC? |
| 17:37.44 | SpaceAviator | fuck |
| 17:37.52 | SpaceAviator | let me fix it |
| 17:37.55 | SpaceAviator | dvs: how does A-P-I-C disable ACPI? |
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| 17:38.43 | nsadmin | stew, ok, here's a weird example... say I have an amd64 cpu and I want to try xfce from i386 and xfce from amd64... can they coexist? |
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| 17:39.12 | engla | nsadmin: no, only library packages can be installed in parallel with multiarch |
| 17:39.25 | engla | nsadmin: a complete crossarch system can be installed with debootstrap, however |
| 17:39.25 | nsadmin | ohh, so that's the limitation |
| 17:39.42 | dvs | SpaceAviator: Oops, you're right. APIC controls the interrupts |
| 17:39.47 | dvs | Sorry |
| 17:40.30 | gnarface | dvs, SpaceAviator isn't the advice to disable both though, when having certain types of trouble booting a certain era of hardware? |
| 17:40.40 | gnarface | noapic noacpi |
| 17:40.44 | tremon | SpaceAviator: the fun part is that noapic does disable acpi deep sleep states, because they require reprogramming the interrupt controller too |
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| 17:41.22 | SpaceAviator | tremon: weird. my power functions work like suspend and cpu throttle when running on noapic... :/ |
| 17:41.27 | tremon | at least that's what's been explained to me once |
| 17:41.45 | gnarface | i have always seen noapic and noacpi together |
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| 17:42.27 | nsadmin | engla, would it be the case that each full crossarch would be installed by one more invocation of debootstrap? |
| 17:43.09 | stew | nsadmin: so for the question of "can I also add arm"? I don't see how that would be usable, there is no kernel that could deal with arm + {i386,amd64}. I don't know if dpkg prevents you from doing this broken thing or not |
| 17:43.39 | tremon | stew: don't forget qemu as binfmt wrapper ;) |
| 17:43.44 | stew | nsadmin: i belive there are a bunch of pairs that make sense for multiarch like i386 and amd64, or i386 and ia84, but I do not believe their are any triplets |
| 17:43.57 | stew | tremon: i don't know what that means |
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| 17:44.16 | nsadmin | engla, either way, how would you select which arch you're running from? |
| 17:44.23 | ekontsevoy | When installing pdnsd via apt-get it asks interactive questions. How do I give it defaults from a command-line? I have looked at dpkg-preconfigure but could not find the way to do it. |
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| 17:44.49 | ekontsevoy | Actually, this applies to any package with an interactive config. How to pass options via command line and make it shut up? Thanks. |
| 17:44.50 | sqrrl | probably this question is incredibly stupid but i can't find out my gnome version. there's no "system" menu, no gnome-about and gnome-panel --version says "unknown option". what can i do? |
| 17:44.52 | engla | nsadmin: debootstrap installs into a subdirectory |
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| 17:45.05 | mcsmurf | hi, I upgraded from Debian 5 to Debian 6 and now I have this problem when I want to start Xemacs: http://paste.debian.net/177859/ |
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| 17:45.15 | mcsmurf | basically I get "Unable to load any usable fontset" and then xemacs crashes |
| 17:45.35 | stew | mcsmurf: does "xemacs -q" work? |
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| 17:45.39 | mcsmurf | I already searched the web, but I found no solution that works :/ (only some workaround, setting LANG=C "fixes" xemacs) |
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| 17:46.01 | ekontsevoy | sqrrl: run gnome-system-monitor and look at the 1st tab |
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| 17:46.20 | mcsmurf | stew: nope |
| 17:46.51 | mcsmurf | I've read this is related to some legacy font loading problem, but I don't know that much about how X and xemacs works.. |
| 17:46.57 | mcsmurf | +that |
| 17:46.58 | sqrrl | ekontsevoy: thanks, that worked |
| 17:47.15 | nsadmin | mcsmurf, how did you install xemacs? is this related to a non-english install which requires specific fonts to display the glyphs of the language you want? |
| 17:47.46 | mcsmurf | normal apt-get way |
| 17:47.51 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 17:48.16 | mcsmurf | I thought someone here might have already solved this problem for him/her ;) |
| 17:48.30 | hyper_ch | hmmm, is there a command to have installed packages re-installed? |
| 17:48.50 | nsadmin | you could find out by checking the bts... then you're not limited to only the people here |
| 17:49.25 | mcsmurf | probably it's related to me using LANG=de_DE.UTF8 in some way.. (as LANG=C makes xemacs work) |
| 17:49.38 | nsadmin | so, German |
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| 17:49.43 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 17:49.44 | mcsmurf | but this is stuff I don't know about, I don't know anything about X font loading :) |
| 17:49.44 | mcsmurf | yes |
| 17:50.23 | nsadmin | (I'm going to need help here gang :P keep watch) |
| 17:50.33 | mcsmurf | what is bts? |
| 17:50.45 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.47 | zecrazytux | mcsmurf: If i were you I owuld have a try to installing fonts (apt-cache search iso8859 | grep font) |
| 17:50.50 | stew | mcsmurf: the solution is probably going to be "install more fonts" |
| 17:51.00 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 17:51.13 | mcsmurf | stew: the funny thing is I've found some solution on the web where someone solved this problem |
| 17:51.17 | stew | and if its helvetical, doesn't that have to come from microsoft? |
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| 17:51.18 | mcsmurf | by uninstalling fonts |
| 17:51.19 | zecrazytux | mcsmurf: or change to utf8 :) |
| 17:51.37 | stew | xemacs needs to just go ahead and die already! :P |
| 17:51.38 | zecrazytux | mcsmurf: do you have a link ? |
| 17:51.48 | nsadmin | helvetica was on mac long LONG before it ever got to m$ |
| 17:52.01 | zecrazytux | who's still using xemacs, anyway ? (/me runs far away) |
| 17:52.05 | mcsmurf | zecrazytux: link to the solution you mean? |
| 17:52.08 | stew | helvetical is non-free, right? |
| 17:52.10 | zecrazytux | mcsmurf: yes |
| 17:52.14 | mcsmurf | I certainly don't, but one of my users does :o |
| 17:52.18 | mcsmurf | 60 years old.. ;) |
| 17:52.53 | nsadmin | stew, I noticed the 'l' at the end of helvetica... is that significant? |
| 17:52.56 | mcsmurf | die-hard xemacs user |
| 17:54.00 | stew | that was a typo |
| 17:54.04 | zecrazytux | mcsmurf: can't he use emacs ? he certainly does not need buttons and mouse |
| 17:54.07 | zecrazytux | ;) |
| 17:54.08 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:54.34 | nsadmin | I remember using helvetica with pagemaker when it was aldus |
| 17:55.22 | nsadmin | stew, while I'm thinking of more stuff to ask, thanks for so far |
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| 17:56.10 | mcsmurf | oh look http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=133607 |
| 17:56.12 | zecrazytux | as we are talking of fonts:: what do you guys recommend as a nice monospace font with good utf-8 support ? |
| 17:56.21 | mcsmurf | " xemacs21-mule: xemacs-mule segfaults because of "missing charsets"" |
| 17:56.29 | mcsmurf | Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:48:01 UTC |
| 17:56.31 | mcsmurf | oooold bug |
| 17:56.41 | mcsmurf | or at least it occurs again and again |
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| 17:56.54 | zecrazytux | wow; your guy should have switch to vim already ! |
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| 17:57.40 | mcsmurf | if he was the admin, he would have stayed with Debian 3 forever ;) |
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| 17:57.54 | mcsmurf | software updates, security fixes? noone needs that! |
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| 17:58.15 | gnarface | zecrazytux: bitstream vera mono? |
| 17:58.47 | mcsmurf | ah well, I'll just tell him the LANG=C fix for now |
| 17:58.48 | _N1x | hi guys , i have problem with VNC , when im connecting some key-s isn't working "s" "m" ... when i pressing each , some windows is closed etc... |
| 17:58.56 | mcsmurf | already spent too much time on this |
| 17:59.11 | zecrazytux | gnarface: that's what i'm using right now; seems to be a good choice then, thanks |
| 17:59.16 | mcsmurf | to get some ancient program working.. |
| 17:59.36 | stew | mcsmurf: try installing ttf-mscorefonts-installer from contrib |
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| 17:59.43 | mcsmurf | thanks, I'll try |
| 17:59.54 | stew | or figuring out why it wants helvetica at all |
| 17:59.58 | stew | and switch it to a free font |
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| 18:00.26 | gnarface | zecrazytux: *shrug* its always the default |
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| 18:00.31 | nsadmin | mcsmurf, it is pretty ancient... it's a good thing you have your user's back |
| 18:01.16 | gnarface | zecrazytux: tried this? apt-cache search ^ttf |
| 18:01.31 | mcsmurf | usually I can solve almost all the strange problems "my" users have, but some are just too difficult :) |
| 18:01.32 | stew | mcsmurf: does helvetica appear in .Xresources? |
| 18:01.35 | zecrazytux | gnarface: hmm I'm not sure; i use netbsd there and I believe that the default is the fixed font. i could be wrong though, haven't installed a new system for a while |
| 18:01.39 | _N1x | any ideas?! |
| 18:02.17 | gnarface | zecrazytux: oh i thought you were on debian squeeze. i meant debian |
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| 18:03.54 | mcsmurf | still crashing with ttf-mscorefonts-installer installed; no .Xresources file for me |
| 18:03.54 | zecrazytux | gnarface: I do use debian 'on production' but not on my own desktop. the question was general though; "apt-cache search ^ttf" <-- they aren't all monospace, are they ? |
| 18:04.09 | mcsmurf | (no such file exists in my home directory) |
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| 18:04.31 | gnarface | zecrazytux: no but like bitstream-vera many of them contain a monospace font |
| 18:04.34 | zecrazytux | mcsmurf: .Xdefaults maybe ? |
| 18:04.50 | mcsmurf | but that reminds me: some user fixed this bug by including "emacs*font: 7x14" in his .Xdefaults file |
| 18:04.54 | mcsmurf | (not for me though) |
| 18:04.57 | zecrazytux | gnarface: ok, will have a try; thanks |
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| 18:05.04 | gnarface | zecrazytux: each one is a whole group of fonts, bold, italic, etc |
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| 18:05.50 | gnarface | zecrazytux: or, different types of the same font i think it would be more accurate to say |
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| 18:08.09 | Tom01 | How can I connect with vnc to the start user selection screen? |
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| 18:12.01 | zecrazytux | Tom01: configure gdm to start x11vnc |
| 18:12.16 | Tom01 | zecrazytux: where? |
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| 18:12.27 | zecrazytux | might be /etc/gdm/Init/Default |
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| 18:12.55 | zecrazytux | Tom01: hmm read that : http://flukylogs.blogspot.fr/2009/11/setting-up-vnc-for-gdm-login.html |
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| 18:13.03 | Tom01 | ok, thanks |
| 18:13.14 | zecrazytux | Tom01: beware of security issues |
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| 18:18.03 | SumYunGai | hai |
| 18:18.17 | SumYunGai | how can i install svn in deby |
| 18:18.34 | trysten | SumYunGai: probably apt-get install subversion |
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| 18:18.49 | SumYunGai | ah |
| 18:18.54 | SumYunGai | i tried install svn |
| 18:19.02 | zecrazytux | uh ah :) |
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| 18:20.50 | mgj | SumYunGai, do yourself a favor, apt-get install git instead :P |
| 18:20.56 | SumYunGai | zomg |
| 18:21.00 | SumYunGai | i already haz it |
| 18:21.03 | SumYunGai | heehee |
| 18:21.10 | SumYunGai | its for my work |
| 18:21.20 | SumYunGai | we are PCI compliant mess |
| 18:21.44 | SumYunGai | its really annoying the crap out of me |
| 18:22.02 | SumYunGai | the IT person came down and started flipping out that i installed debian |
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| 18:22.14 | mcsmurf | ok, one last idea about my font problem: I noticed I have no FontPath in my xorg.conf might this be related to my problem? |
| 18:22.17 | SumYunGai | and told me to install windows |
| 18:22.29 | mcsmurf | as xemacs is a bit older and might load fonts that way..? |
| 18:22.55 | SumYunGai | how the eff is windows more PCI than linux |
| 18:22.56 | SumYunGai | durrrr |
| 18:23.08 | mgj | I'd have flipped out too. |
| 18:23.15 | SumYunGai | ? |
| 18:23.39 | SumYunGai | explain |
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| 18:24.05 | mgj | You cannot run an IT department efficiently if you allow everyone to do whatever the fsck they want. Impossible to maintain, impossible to support |
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| 18:24.22 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: what's 'PCI' ? |
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| 18:24.31 | SumYunGai | well i maintain my own system |
| 18:24.40 | kevlarman | SumYunGai: that's reason for IT to flip out |
| 18:24.50 | SumYunGai | im smarter than IT |
| 18:24.57 | mgj | Apparently not :P |
| 18:25.00 | SumYunGai | so why would i have them do stuff for me |
| 18:25.05 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: you still ask how to install svn ;) |
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| 18:25.18 | SumYunGai | i jus asked for package name |
| 18:25.25 | SumYunGai | stupido |
| 18:25.31 | titleless | I guess GLIBC 2.16 will not make it into wheezy, right? Were nice for its ISO C11 compliance... |
| 18:25.55 | jordanm | SumYunGai: did you try "apt-cache search svn"? |
| 18:26.06 | zecrazytux | jordanm: returns a lot of stuff :) |
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| 18:26.44 | SumYunGai | Jordanm its more fun to ask here |
| 18:26.52 | SumYunGai | and yes i know how to use apt-cache |
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| 18:27.00 | mcsmurf | omg, xemacs is working now, now I need to find out how to make this change permanent |
| 18:27.13 | zecrazytux | smarter guy is chatty then :) |
| 18:27.35 | mcsmurf | I did "xset fp default" to reset the font path to the X server default |
| 18:27.40 | engla | titleless: it will not enter wheezy, that's for sure |
| 18:27.41 | mcsmurf | looks like this changed something |
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| 18:28.30 | SumYunGai | ur jus sad lol |
| 18:28.34 | titleless | engla: how sad... |
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| 18:29.12 | SumYunGai | how do i check if my videocard suport opengl |
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| 18:29.33 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: what's 'PCI' ? that must be a well known acronym for you but there it stands for a bus :) |
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| 18:30.09 | SumYunGai | zecrazytux, wat do u mean? |
| 18:30.24 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: 20:25 < SumYunGai> we are PCI compliant mess |
| 18:30.29 | zecrazytux | I don't get it |
| 18:30.42 | SumYunGai | oh |
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| 18:30.56 | SumYunGai | i was saying our IT ppl are annoying |
| 18:31.08 | SumYunGai | well just one guy actually |
| 18:31.31 | SumYunGai | i guess he doesnt know that linux is way more secure than windows |
| 18:31.34 | engla | titleless: none of the big things of C11 are available though? (multithreading) |
| 18:31.35 | SumYunGai | so he was freaking out |
| 18:31.41 | zecrazytux | What does the 'PCI' acronym stands for ? |
| 18:32.01 | SumYunGai | its a series of steps toward securing ur network |
| 18:32.11 | SumYunGai | for payment processing |
| 18:32.53 | kevlarman | hates pci |
| 18:33.00 | zecrazytux | security is not just a matter of operating system... far, far from that |
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| 18:33.04 | pparadis | zecrazytux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard |
| 18:33.10 | kevlarman | i already have to deal with hipaa, not doing another one |
| 18:33.14 | zecrazytux | pparadis: thanks :) |
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| 18:33.47 | SumYunGai | ppl jus tend to flip out when they are unsure of something |
| 18:34.03 | mgj | zecrazytux, what do you mean? I run linux. Ofcourse i install alpha versions of everything, and set up tunnels directly to my pc. Perfectly secure. Its not like its windoze, lulz |
| 18:34.36 | pparadis | what |
| 18:34.42 | mgj | sarcasm |
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| 18:34.54 | SumYunGai | its much easier to pci a linux box |
| 18:34.56 | pparadis | i was hoping so, but sometimes it's hard to tell in this channel :) |
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| 18:35.03 | SumYunGai | and its more secure |
| 18:35.17 | SumYunGai | why do u think the core server linux |
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| 18:36.00 | zecrazytux | mgj: lulz, I haz linux and I set my birthday as passwordz. linux has a firewall ! |
| 18:36.12 | mgj | secure! |
| 18:36.32 | SumYunGai | ok mgj |
| 18:36.37 | SumYunGai | just start hacking my system |
| 18:36.44 | SumYunGai | im done arguing |
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| 18:37.10 | SumYunGai | :D |
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| 18:38.09 | mgj | SumYunGai, by introducing an unsupported platform to the network you also introduce a potential attack vector. If IT lets everyone do that, it will be entirely impossible to say anything about the security of the network as a whole. Dont. Do. It. Do your job, and let IT do theirs, honestly |
| 18:38.57 | SumYunGai | that part i agree w |
| 18:39.06 | zecrazytux | and get a new job if you can't bear windows (that's what i'll do) - but don't tell people are ignorant, they might be more knownledgeable about the issue than you are |
| 18:39.33 | mgj | zecrazytux, you'd quit a job if you were not allowed to use linux? Hardcore :) |
| 18:39.51 | SumYunGai | hardcore? |
| 18:40.04 | kevlarman | mgj: i wouldn't take it in the first place |
| 18:40.09 | SumYunGai | mgj are u passionate about ur work? |
| 18:40.17 | SumYunGai | or u jus flip pizza |
| 18:40.31 | mgj | Its just an operating system... Yes, im passionate about my job. At least more passionate about it than any single OS |
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| 18:40.51 | trysten | there's like 4 more |
| 18:40.51 | kevlarman | mgj: even with relatively little experience i have enough choice in the matter |
| 18:40.53 | SumYunGai | ur not passionate about anything man |
| 18:41.00 | trysten | hey now |
| 18:41.06 | GNU\colossus | mgj, so would I. what kind of bullshit (IT) job would THAT be? |
| 18:41.18 | zecrazytux | mgj: I'm a system engineer and I have no barely no knowledge of windows; I just cannot work in a full m$ environment; I choose unix-only environment if I can (and I can, actually) |
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| 18:41.48 | zecrazytux | mgj: not that hardcore :) |
| 18:41.59 | zecrazytux | depend son your job |
| 18:42.02 | mgj | GNU\colossus, Im not sure, i've never experienced it personally. I just think i could prefer using windows (cmon, its really not that bad these days), compared to being unemployed |
| 18:42.03 | SumYunGai | besides the IT is doing nothing all day if they cant friken add linux to the supported list |
| 18:42.27 | GNU\colossus | mgj, there's always a job open for someone proficient with GNU/Linux |
| 18:42.36 | GNU\colossus | I have always been able to pick where I would like to work |
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| 18:43.09 | PaulePanter | Since June 24 I have unknown in the output of `last`. Do you see that to? It might be related to the GDM 3.4.1 update. |
| 18:43.09 | zecrazytux | GNU\colossus: right; but IT has its reason to exist: users |
| 18:43.10 | GNU\colossus | I actually quit one job because they wanted me to use OS X, and one because they were extending and advancing their Microsoft-based strategies |
| 18:43.28 | stew | i'm certianly at a point in my life where I'd rather be unemployed than have to run windows. |
| 18:43.32 | SumYunGai | our IT dept has no clue about linux |
| 18:43.33 | GNU\colossus | thankfully, I don't have to deal with users too often ;) |
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| 18:43.42 | SumYunGai | they told me that themselves |
| 18:43.50 | SumYunGai | they said none of us know linux |
| 18:43.51 | GNU\colossus | that's sad, but apparently not too rare. |
| 18:43.55 | SumYunGai | SAAAAD! |
| 18:43.55 | kevlarman | GNU\colossus: i even saw a bunch of applications from people with 10 years windows experience last time i saw the resumés my company was looking at |
| 18:44.08 | kevlarman | (and they went straight to the bottom of the pile) |
| 18:44.15 | SumYunGai | how does entire IT team not know linux |
| 18:44.16 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
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| 18:44.30 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: at some point you may ask yourself what's your place in the company, if you are left alone with using anything else than what IT and all users do |
| 18:44.43 | kevlarman | SumYunGai: please tell me the servers aren't windows at least |
| 18:44.51 | zecrazytux | well, imo, of course; |
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| 18:45.19 | mcsmurf | will I kicked from this channel when I say I use Windows for my private PC and Linux at work? 8-) |
| 18:45.38 | kevlarman | mcsmurf: nope |
| 18:45.43 | SumYunGai | kevlarman, severs r linux |
| 18:45.45 | mcsmurf | yay :) |
| 18:45.46 | SumYunGai | thats my point |
| 18:45.53 | SumYunGai | IT is idiots end of story |
| 18:45.56 | mgj | Now if my job forced me to never use a whiteboard, that would be reason to quit... :) |
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| 18:46.32 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: the IT point is that you may not be someone who will care much about security (or be knowledgeable enough) |
| 18:46.47 | dawud | FWIW, I got myself the only Debian used in the whole 20.000 employees company for my personal use. IT revenged not letting me inside thier crappy AD. They said: "not possible" |
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| 18:47.38 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: I do work with people who care muc, much less about security than I do. I can understand IT when it comes to be their job |
| 18:47.39 | trysten | totally possible |
| 18:47.56 | dawud | I know, of course |
| 18:48.02 | mgj | IT will have to take responsibility if something ever goes wrong... I can understand them being strict |
| 18:48.24 | zecrazytux | dawud: do you mean that they refused to give you a login:password ? |
| 18:48.25 | dawud | strict is one thing, plain ignorant quite another |
| 18:48.38 | SumYunGai | right |
| 18:48.39 | dawud | zecrazytux: yep. I'm banned from their AD |
| 18:48.39 | mgj | I dont believe they are ignorant |
| 18:48.48 | SumYunGai | doood i rest my case |
| 18:49.00 | chubba | Hi chan. I've got an older pc with debian-3.1 (sarge?) on it. What is a good way to upgrade it to stable? I have remote access only |
| 18:49.26 | zecrazytux | I don't believe in anything. depends on the cases; there are f**king ignorant, there are people doing their jobs |
| 18:49.35 | dondelelcaro | chubba: you want to first upgrade to etch, then lenny, then squeeze |
| 18:49.47 | dondelelcaro | chubba: but you should have some sort of remote access in place before you do that |
| 18:49.52 | mgj | I'd prefer ignorant over lazy any day of the week |
| 18:49.58 | dondelelcaro | chubba: and you should read all of the release notes |
| 18:50.04 | chubba | adjusting sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:50.33 | dawud | zecrazytux: but no hard feelings, my whole department has to authenticate against an LDAP/KRB5 I administrate to be able to access the GNU/Linux boxes =) |
| 18:50.33 | stew | chubba: the release notes for each of etch, lenny, squeeze tell you the best way to upgrade in chapter 4 |
| 18:50.35 | dondelelcaro | chubba: yes, and then rebooting into a new kernel each time. [Well, maybe not required for etch->lenny, but I can't remember] |
| 18:50.51 | zecrazytux | wow, sarge to squeeze ? impressive upgrade... |
| 18:51.08 | zecrazytux | dawud: ahah :) |
| 18:51.09 | dondelelcaro | chubba: but the release notes are what you want to read, because they document specific things that you might have to do for your setup |
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| 18:51.27 | chubba | dondelelcaro: yes, I'm totally afraid of loosing the ssh connection at one of those steps |
| 18:51.40 | dondelelcaro | chubba: well, that's why you need a serial console or similar |
| 18:51.45 | dondelelcaro | chubba: get that set up first |
| 18:51.59 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why you don't do remote administration without it |
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| 18:52.46 | SumYunGai | i shud just barge into IT room w out knocking |
| 18:52.52 | SumYunGai | to find them spanking it |
| 18:53.01 | SumYunGai | to pornz |
| 18:53.30 | chubba | dondelelcaro: wtf is serial console? |
| 18:54.27 | dondelelcaro | chubba: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_console |
| 18:54.37 | dondelelcaro | chubba: specifically in this case, you want a remote serial console |
| 18:54.59 | dondelelcaro | chubba: generally you get that by some sort of kvm over ip or ilo or rac or similar. |
| 18:54.59 | SumYunGai | u kno they jus wach pornz all day |
| 18:55.11 | dondelelcaro | SumYunGai: uh... whatever your IT department does isn't on topic here. |
| 18:55.21 | SumYunGai | sory |
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| 18:55.34 | SumYunGai | can some one help me install opengl |
| 18:55.35 | chubba | dondelelcaro: I don't think I can arrange that |
| 18:55.50 | SumYunGai | or find if my card suports it |
| 18:55.56 | dondelelcaro | chubba: well, without it you may end up needing it and wishing you had it |
| 18:56.03 | chubba | dondelelcaro: remains to hope that each upgrade goes well |
| 18:56.23 | zecrazytux | SumYunGai: what if you were securing your desk instead of spitting at your IT department ? |
| 18:56.31 | zecrazytux | ;) |
| 18:56.37 | dondelelcaro | chubba: well, it should, but if your machine hasn't been rebooted since sarge (or kernel upgraded), then it's quite possible that it won't boot at all. |
| 18:56.49 | dondelelcaro | chubba: but only you can decide whether that's worth the risk |
| 18:57.01 | SumYunGai | how do i secure my desk |
| 18:57.11 | abrotman | SumYunGai: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 18:57.12 | zecrazytux | chubba: why the upgrade ? what's running on it ? |
| 18:57.15 | tensorpudding | nail it to the floor |
| 18:57.18 | SumYunGai | thx abrotman |
| 18:57.19 | abrotman | zecrazytux: try not to feed it .. |
| 18:57.37 | SumYunGai | thx tensorpudding |
| 18:57.43 | zecrazytux | abrotman: you're right; appologies |
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| 18:58.17 | tensorpudding | opengl is supported on like...every video chip used in a wintel pc for the past 15 years |
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| 18:58.38 | chubba | dondelelcaro: don't know. some garbage. Actually, an upgrade isn't that urgent. I just thought that it's better to get a newer supported version of everything |
| 18:58.52 | SumYunGai | hey abrotman its intel sandy brige integrated controler |
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| 18:59.04 | SumYunGai | i installed kernel 3.2 |
| 18:59.12 | abrotman | from where? |
| 18:59.15 | SumYunGai | and that improved resolution |
| 18:59.24 | SumYunGai | but still no opengl |
| 18:59.25 | dondelelcaro | chubba: yeah, it is, because you're vulnerable to known remote root exploits... but without a remote console, it's pretty much impossible to upgrade things |
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| 18:59.30 | SumYunGai | what can i do? |
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| 18:59.35 | abrotman | SumYunGai: did you check with glxinfo to see if it's working ? |
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| 19:00.15 | tensorpudding | is this some kind of vps setup where you don't have physical access? |
| 19:00.16 | SumYunGai | its telling me missing display 0.0 |
| 19:00.23 | chubba | dondelelcaro: there was something like "safe-upgrade" wasn't it? or was that ubuntu? |
| 19:00.55 | Gummer | Hi. I'm mounting a netapp trough nfs3, the mount works but when I cd to the mountdir my box freezes and I get nfs unavailable errors. Other boxes do work with the same configuration, no firewall in between. |
| 19:01.02 | Gummer | Any clues ? |
| 19:01.04 | SumYunGai | extension glx missing |
| 19:01.39 | tensorpudding | SumYunGai, it sounds like you're not using the right graphics driver or something |
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| 19:01.50 | Gummer | The mount is there when I run df or mount, but I can't read anything ... an ls just freezes |
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| 19:02.04 | abrotman | tensorpudding: or running the command as teh wrong user |
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| 19:02.20 | dondelelcaro | chubba: that won't really help you |
| 19:02.30 | chubba | Linux analyzer-3 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux -- does that mean that the kernel is customized and there is a risk that in the distribution kernel might be lackingsome drivers? |
| 19:03.13 | tensorpudding | wow, it really is from sarge |
| 19:03.14 | zecrazytux | chubba: that's with aptitude, afaik |
| 19:03.18 | chubba | dondelelcaro: an upgrade -> 4.0 is running. we'll see :) |
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| 19:03.42 | taime1 | hello all |
| 19:03.45 | zecrazytux | chubba: but that won't help you anyway |
| 19:03.52 | chubba | zecrazytux: oh, yes, that's aptitude probably. that's why I thought ubuntu |
| 19:03.54 | taime1 | is this the channel for debian server questions? |
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| 19:04.19 | abrotman | taime1: sure |
| 19:04.20 | tensorpudding | taime1, it's for all debian support questions |
| 19:04.24 | taime1 | great |
| 19:04.40 | pkkm | Are the following sources.list lines equivalent? |
| 19:04.40 | pkkm | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:04.40 | pkkm | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:04.54 | taime1 | my qustion is: does debian handle user authentication without an active directory server in the building? |
| 19:05.09 | abrotman | taime1: it can, yes |
| 19:05.13 | zecrazytux | chubba: looks like a custom kernel to me |
| 19:05.24 | abrotman | taime1: you may want to be more specific |
| 19:05.24 | tensorpudding | analyzer-3 sounds like it's custom |
| 19:05.31 | taime1 | im using freenas but it has its limitations. for example, i either must use an active directory, or i must make all users on the freenas system match those of the client machine |
| 19:05.35 | abrotman | tensorpudding: isn't that the name of the box? |
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| 19:05.48 | abrotman | taime1: so this is a samba question? |
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| 19:05.55 | taime1 | i suppoes so |
| 19:06.05 | tensorpudding | no, you're right, so maybe it's not |
| 19:06.12 | taime1 | abrotman: forgive me for being a bit wet behind the ears |
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| 19:06.33 | chubba | zecrazytux: I can't find any sources on this machine but maybe it's been compiled elsewehe |
| 19:06.33 | abrotman | taime1: the more specific you are, the easier it would be fore us to point you toward docs or help you |
| 19:06.45 | tensorpudding | you probably should try to reinstall and migrate to the newest debian |
| 19:06.57 | keith4 | that's a standard debian kernel.... from 2006 |
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| 19:07.23 | tensorpudding | sarge used a 2.6 kernel by default though |
| 19:07.29 | ompaul | keith4: unsupported eh? |
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| 19:07.44 | zecrazytux | chubba: upgrading to etch will give you a 2.6 kernel anyway. |
| 19:07.53 | chubba | debian 4 is not supported anymore isn't i? |
| 19:08.11 | zecrazytux | tensorpudding: by default or did it ask for a choice ? can't remember |
| 19:08.19 | zecrazytux | chubba: no |
| 19:08.26 | tensorpudding | i don't think it was a choice but i can't say for sure either way |
| 19:08.31 | zecrazytux | chubba: lenny neither |
| 19:08.44 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.03 | zecrazytux | chubba: that's in the topic :) |
| 19:09.05 | chubba | zecrazytux: yeah, 2.6.18 if i recall correctly |
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| 19:09.35 | chubba | zecrazytux: oh, sorry. i was too excited to read the topic |
| 19:09.40 | ompaul | 6 is the supported stable |
| 19:09.49 | keith4 | ompaul: looks like 2.4.27 was in 3.1 ;-) |
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| 19:10.29 | SumYunGai | yey opengl :DDDDDDDDDD |
| 19:10.36 | SumYunGai | im a jenius |
| 19:10.47 | zecrazytux | :') |
| 19:10.48 | SumYunGai | dun ask me how i did it |
| 19:10.59 | taime1 | abrotman: okay sure. here is the scenario: i have 50 machines and about that many employees. i want to setup shares that are owned by groups so that i can allow some people to access files, and others not, ultimately giving each user his or her own folder on the network, but having a few "shared" folders between users. this is why i created shares owned by groups in freenas. and this method is near perfect, except that freenas re |
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| 19:11.39 | keith4 | taime1: maybe a question for #freenas? |
| 19:12.03 | taime1 | keith4: how is that a question for freenas? im asking if i can do this with debian |
| 19:12.26 | zecrazytux | taime1: what's your question, finally ? |
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| 19:12.37 | keith4 | taime1: i'm not sure what "this" is, sorry. |
| 19:12.59 | chubba | how big is actually a minimal installation of current stable? i've just realised that thing has 500MB total disk (flash?) space |
| 19:13.13 | ompaul | 550 |
| 19:13.30 | ompaul | you may be able to shave that down |
| 19:13.43 | zecrazytux | ompaul: hmm, really ? |
| 19:13.48 | ompaul | !tell chubba about chroot |
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| 19:14.18 | ompaul | zecrazytux: trying to remember why that number jumped out at me |
| 19:14.24 | chubba | ompaul: you mean I copy everything and then chroot locally? |
| 19:14.56 | SBKch | hi, i have problem with byobu in debian wheezy - can't disable bindings - ctrl+a,! gives only short message: Can't break with only one pane |
| 19:15.00 | taime1 | zecrazytux: in debian, can i setup shares owned by groups, and access those shares through authentication (user on the server for example who is part of that group) without having to have an active directory or literally matching the users on the servers with the users on the clients? i want to be able to walk up to any machine in the building, click on a share that i am allowed to access and have it prompt me everytime |
| 19:15.23 | zecrazytux | 500MB is not that much actually. I do run wheezy on an arm embedded board, and that is feeeeew for debian |
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| 19:15.25 | ompaul | chubba: no and I can't remember |
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| 19:16.55 | zecrazytux | taime1: I elieve you can do that with plain debian and samba. i believe there is support for ACLs. Haven't played with it for a while though |
| 19:17.09 | ompaul | chubba: what I was thinking of but my brain missed some beats was /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 19:17.28 | zecrazytux | taime1: but yeah you shouldn't have to deal with an AD |
| 19:17.31 | titleless | is it worthwhile to print out the debian-handbook or is it heavily being worked on? |
| 19:17.53 | taime1 | zecrazytux: sorry for the complicated question.. i just didnt know how to better explain it without comparing it to freenas |
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| 19:18.18 | taime1 | zecrazytux: and i actually would like to use debian server (unless you think debian alone would be sufficient) |
| 19:18.27 | zecrazytux | ompaul: iirc last times I used debootstrap it was around 200MB, but my memory may be wrong |
| 19:18.27 | keith4 | taime1: yes, samba will use username/groups on the local box |
| 19:18.33 | simonlnu | taime1: that should be pretty easy to implement |
| 19:19.01 | taime1 | keith4: simonlnu: is this limitation specific to freenas then and not to samba? |
| 19:19.14 | simonlnu | i don't know freenas |
| 19:19.17 | taime1 | i see |
| 19:19.21 | keith4 | no idea |
| 19:19.24 | taime1 | haha |
| 19:19.28 | zecrazytux | freenas used to be freebsd based, right ? then switched to debian |
| 19:19.36 | keith4 | unless you're talking about NFS? |
| 19:19.42 | taime1 | its still freebsd |
| 19:20.09 | zecrazytux | to me, freenas is "only" an integration and an interface to free softwares |
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| 19:20.20 | zecrazytux | yes, you can do the same "by hand" |
| 19:20.21 | taime1 | odd that it requires AD or matching usernames to client machine's usernames |
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| 19:20.43 | zecrazytux | i'm surprised freenas requires such a thing |
| 19:20.44 | ompaul | taime1: what are you asking about in freebsd in a debian channel and AD ... that's openldap |
| 19:21.08 | ompaul | notes he left out the qualifier |
| 19:21.15 | simonlnu | 389 entered sid... last week i think? |
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| 19:21.44 | taime1 | ompaul: nah, i was just wondering if debian or debian server would allow me to setup shares owned by groups and then prompt me for access no matter what client machine im on, and no matter what user name the client machine uses |
| 19:22.04 | zecrazytux | taime1: what is 'debian server' ? |
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| 19:22.28 | zecrazytux | taime1: yes it would |
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| 19:22.49 | taime1 | zecrazytux: i was under the impression that debian had a server edition like ubuntu or others do |
| 19:22.57 | keith4 | you were misinformed |
| 19:22.58 | zecrazytux | taime1: not at all |
| 19:22.59 | simonlnu | no it does not |
| 19:23.02 | taime1 | oh i see |
| 19:23.05 | taime1 | sorry fellas |
| 19:23.07 | taime1 | really |
| 19:23.27 | taime1 | i guess thats just a silly ubuntu thing |
| 19:23.32 | simonlnu | debian is what you want it to be. all depends on what you want/need |
| 19:23.46 | simonlnu | and do accordingly |
| 19:23.51 | taime1 | simonlnu: i actually use debian on my two main systems |
| 19:23.58 | taime1 | i love it |
| 19:24.09 | kevlarman | taime1: the server edition is just a different set of initially installed packages |
| 19:24.16 | kevlarman | like all their other versions |
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| 19:24.19 | taime1 | never had a real problem, thus ive never been in here |
| 19:24.31 | taime1 | ahh like all the other *buntus |
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| 19:24.59 | ompaul | taime1: you seem to have a fascination with that word / distro |
| 19:25.20 | taime1 | how so? because i referred to it? |
| 19:25.22 | zecrazytux | taime1: the thing is: you probably run freenas with the web interface, clicking around to setup things quickly and without having a deep understanding of how it runs underneath. using debian, you'll have to setup all of that by yourself |
| 19:25.30 | taime1 | i also said debian more than twice as much |
| 19:25.44 | taime1 | zecrazytux: actually you are wrong |
| 19:25.50 | taime1 | i am using ssh |
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| 19:26.06 | zecrazytux | taime1: nice to hear, really :) |
| 19:26.10 | ompaul | taime1: the challenge here is for you to sit down and decide what you actually want to use. You also need to discover what this "freenas" can provide as exported partitions |
| 19:26.29 | zecrazytux | taime1: so, the differences are: linux:debian instead of freebsd |
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| 19:26.36 | taime1 | ompaul: i have no interest in freenas.. which is why i am here, seeking an alternative |
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| 19:27.07 | zecrazytux | taime1: the filesystem won't be the same, user/acl management will be different, but samba will be the same |
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| 19:27.57 | ompaul | taime1: given your introduction to the problem you have misstated the requirements, it would have been much more profitable to say "I have hardware X, can I use debian on it" |
| 19:28.02 | taime1 | zecrazytux: freenas uses zfs and ufs |
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| 19:28.12 | karlpinc | taime1: Just be sure to setup ntp. samba does not like it when the clocks are off. |
| 19:28.18 | taime1 | ompaul: thats not at all my question |
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| 19:28.30 | taime1 | karlpinc: excellent. got it |
| 19:28.38 | zecrazytux | taime1: I bet it does; they are 'the two' freebsd fs ;) |
| 19:28.44 | taime1 | oh haha |
| 19:28.45 | ompaul | taime1: somehow every attempt I have made to parse your question has failed. |
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| 19:29.21 | taime1 | well, i suppose it doesnt matter realy what filesystem i use, as long as we can have shares owned by groups to keep people out of them' |
| 19:29.45 | taime1 | ompaul: i have already asked my question and got my answer, im not sure why you are still talking to me |
| 19:29.53 | zecrazytux | taime1: you suppose so, ut in some cases, it could have its matter |
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| 19:30.26 | zecrazytux | taime1: what's the reason for using debian ? because you love it ? |
| 19:30.30 | taime1 | zecrazytux: in your opinion, a building with 50 women should have no trouble with performance in debian while accessing those shares would they? |
| 19:30.35 | zecrazytux | like it more than freebsd / freenas ? |
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| 19:30.49 | zecrazytux | taime1: they should not |
| 19:31.01 | zecrazytux | taime1: but it depends on many parameters |
| 19:31.25 | taime1 | zecrazytux: no. i didnt say i wanted to use it because i like it. i just need to be able to share and authenticate without an AD and i happen to know of debian as being a rock solid distro |
| 19:31.29 | abrotman | it depends on what is on the shares |
| 19:31.59 | taime1 | abrotman: mostly word docs and a few pictures. maybe a few short videos |
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| 19:32.11 | taime1 | they dont need to stream anything tho |
| 19:32.16 | zecrazytux | taime1: they should if all of them try to access different files located on different parts of a same and only disk at the same moment :) |
| 19:32.27 | zecrazytux | on a 10MB ethernet link :) |
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| 19:32.35 | abrotman | taime1: just making sure it wasn't a scratch box for editing 2hr videos :) |
| 19:32.56 | taime1 | oh yeah, no its not.. just simple file sharing |
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| 19:33.29 | zecrazytux | taime1: you probably want to keep your freenas setup for a while and experiment your own setup with debian in parallel |
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| 19:33.41 | taime1 | zecrazytux: great idea |
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| 19:34.56 | zecrazytux | taime1: freenas does not require m$ AD, but might use openldap (or another directory); this is not mandatory for such a setup; if freenas requires it, well, yeah,can you setup your own box with debian |
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| 19:35.54 | taime1 | zecrazytux: i am unfamiliar with openldap. will this require a dedicated machine such as AD does? |
| 19:36.07 | abrotman | hehe .. no |
| 19:36.11 | abrotman | L=Lightweight |
| 19:36.26 | zecrazytux | taime1: AD is basically an LDAP directory with m$ things around |
| 19:36.31 | taime1 | abrotman: i see.. it seems i have some reading to do then |
| 19:36.37 | abrotman | taime1: LDAP is pretty light .. you could probably run an LDAP server on a PII |
| 19:36.39 | zecrazytux | abrotman: huhu :W |
| 19:36.42 | zecrazytux | :D* |
| 19:36.42 | abrotman | (for a hundred people) |
| 19:37.06 | taime1 | so it will require a seperate machine tho |
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| 19:37.30 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
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| 19:37.39 | abrotman | i'm just saying that it has low resource requirements |
| 19:38.07 | abrotman | taime1: i ran a samba box on a lowe-end PII to serve about 30-40 people, and the backend auth was an NT4 box |
| 19:38.22 | zecrazytux | taime1: using LDAP or another account storage is up to you |
| 19:38.22 | abrotman | taime1: it got pretty heavy use too |
| 19:38.24 | janvdl | hi everyone |
| 19:38.48 | janvdl | i'm trying to set up a proxy for debian squeeze on my raspberry pi, to retrieve packages via apt-get |
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| 19:39.14 | janvdl | currently i have the following in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:39.29 | janvdl | export http_proxy=http://192.168.1.123:6588/ |
| 19:39.31 | taime1 | abrotman: ldap is a service that can be run on the same freenas box? im so sorry that i dont entirely understand |
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| 19:39.47 | janvdl | where the ip is the local machine on my network that i proxy through with the rest of my windows machines |
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| 19:40.22 | janvdl | I've also tried to add that information to apt.conf |
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| 19:40.36 | abrotman | taime1: on the same Debian box you mean? |
| 19:40.36 | janvdl | but normally it gives me an error saying it can't connect through 6588:80 |
| 19:40.44 | janvdl | why is it messing up the port like that? |
| 19:40.55 | janvdl | i'm pretty sure i'm doing something stupid with the syntax |
| 19:41.08 | zecrazytux | taime1: do you even know what you're using at the moment ? |
| 19:41.28 | taime1 | abrotman: i see.. i misunderstoof you all. i thought you were offering me a solution to keeping the freenas setup. i thought that i didnt need to use ldap if just sharing with samba on debian |
| 19:41.39 | zecrazytux | taime1: you keep talking of AD: it is really an AD that stores your accounts at the moment ? |
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| 19:41.54 | abrotman | taime1: i know nothing about freenas on a technical level |
| 19:42.02 | taime1 | zecrazytux: no. we do not have an AD. hence my freenas woes |
| 19:42.30 | taime1 | abrotman: i just thought you were saying that openldap was an alternative to AD. i just misunderstood |
| 19:42.31 | ompaul | janvdl: are you really using port 6588 for your server? if you are that should work without the trailing slash |
| 19:42.40 | zecrazytux | taime1: then your freenas either uses classic unix account, or an LDAP directory (maybe anything else but that's unlikely) to store accounts |
| 19:43.09 | janvdl | alright let me try it without the trailing slash. I've got some obscure little proxy program, which is hardwired to 6588 :/ |
| 19:43.10 | taime1 | zecrazytux: it can certainly use ldap, i just thought that would require a seperate machine as AD does. |
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| 19:43.25 | zecrazytux | taime1: no, it does not :) |
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| 19:43.56 | taime1 | zecrazytux: then you and abrotman actually did just open my eyes to a way i can keep the freenas setup |
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| 19:44.18 | abrotman | well, congrats to us .. or something :) |
| 19:44.21 | janvdl | ompaul: no luck on bash.bashrc, will add to apt.conf too |
| 19:44.34 | taime1 | zecrazytux: abrotman: the whole idea is to do this with just one machine and not introduce a complicated server setup |
| 19:44.49 | ompaul | janvdl: what is in your browser? |
| 19:44.50 | abrotman | taime1: i didn't suggest another system .. |
| 19:44.53 | zecrazytux | taime1: the choice of the backend is up to you. ldap can be a good choice when having a lot of accounts, a lot of services to authenticate with, a need for separate interface for the user to change its personal information.... but it is not mandatory |
| 19:45.01 | j0llt | Mmh |
| 19:45.04 | ompaul | janvdl: can you give me a screenshot from a working browser? |
| 19:45.33 | ompaul | janvdl: also proxies on none standard ports that can't be changed looks wrong, smells of de feet |
| 19:46.33 | zecrazytux | taime1: you can see openldap as a database wich is optimized for reading |
| 19:46.49 | janvdl | ompaul: added to apt.conf, still not working |
| 19:47.04 | ompaul | janvdl: is it working? |
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| 19:47.08 | taime1 | zecrazytux: i see.. its just that unfortunately, freenas absolutely requires me to use AD or LDAP unless i want to go through the trouble of setting up each client with a unique login name and password (which they either will have to change or add) that matches the usernames i create on the freenas machine |
| 19:47.14 | janvdl | ompaul: i'm actually in the terminal at the moment, putty-ing through to my pi. not connected to a screen :) |
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| 19:47.37 | taime1 | and so i thought a nice refuge from that would be to run debian as a server if it would allow me to bypass that method |
| 19:48.08 | zecrazytux | taime1: using an LDAP backend should not require having unix accounts |
| 19:48.15 | janvdl | ompaul: however, the error message has changed. the ip and port is now correct |
| 19:48.31 | ompaul | janvdl: well I have to assume it's dead because that is the right syntax export http_proxy=http://some-server:port-number is the correct syntax (I have to use it often enough) |
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| 19:48.48 | tehrabbitt | Hey, Trying to figure this slight issue I have with iptables.... I have a program that "probes" the network using UDP packets to discover connected servers that are listening on port 8080 automatically, the problem is, the server that is listening is on 10.1.1.0/24 and the devices that are listening are on 172.16.1.0/24 and the linux box between the two are connecting the two networks using NAT. |
| 19:48.54 | tehrabbitt | any ideas? |
| 19:48.58 | janvdl | ompaul: quickly restarted the proxy service on the windows machine, pi now reports that it is waiting for headers when running apt-get update :) |
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| 19:49.19 | janvdl | ompaul: pretty sure it's now connecting through the proxy, although no data seems to be received |
| 19:49.22 | taime1 | zecrazytux: i see.. well, thats just the way they designed freenas i guess.. like i said, it has its limitations, which is why i was hoping debian would be a "cleaner" solution |
| 19:49.28 | ompaul | janvdl: apt-get update |
| 19:49.44 | janvdl | ompaul: yep that's what i'm currently running |
| 19:49.46 | ompaul | on the command line after source /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:49.57 | zecrazytux | taime1: have you tried asking help on this concern on #freenas ? |
| 19:50.00 | ompaul | janvdl: it must return something |
| 19:50.25 | bolt | how can I install build-dependencies ignoring ones that fail? I want to backport sid's version of chromium to squeeze, but apt-get build-dep chromium-browser fails because it can't find g++-4.6. want to try building without that |
| 19:50.37 | janvdl | should i run the command "source .... /apt.conf" |
| 19:50.41 | taime1 | zecrazytux: yes. the answer is: "you must either use active directory or ldap, or you must have the freenas users match the clients" |
| 19:51.09 | janvdl | ompaul: that source command just returns: -bash: Acquire::http::Proxy: command not found |
| 19:51.11 | janvdl | weird |
| 19:51.17 | alfplayer | bolt: not possible, that's the compiler |
| 19:51.21 | zecrazytux | taime1: OR. then: are you _sure_ that your ldap users _must_ match unix accounts ? |
| 19:51.24 | ompaul | janvdl: so the proxy is not doing anything |
| 19:51.27 | taime1 | zecrazytux: however, until you all brought it to my attention, i was unaware of what ldap was.. i thought it was like AD and would require me to have yet another box for it |
| 19:51.27 | janvdl | ompaul: it does seems to be connected to it though |
| 19:51.31 | bolt | alfplayer: but it might compile fine on an earlier version, which i have |
| 19:51.40 | ompaul | janvdl: it's broken and not going out? |
| 19:51.47 | bolt | alfplayer: especially if i change a thing or two it borks on |
| 19:52.03 | janvdl | ompaul: can't be. the windows machines can connect through it |
| 19:52.04 | bolt | alfplayer: i just want to get the rest of the build deps |
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| 19:52.42 | taime1 | zecrazytux: i dont understand your question.. i dont currently use ldap as i have no clue how to. i just know that unless you use ldap or ad in freenas, you MUST match users to the clients machine's |
| 19:52.43 | ompaul | janvdl: let it straight out - I wonder if this little animal wants a browser string but we kjnow the command is right, we know the windows software is not working so it's not a debian issue |
| 19:52.43 | tehrabbitt | eth0 == DHCP address given by the main network, eth1 == runs tftp + dhcpd + it's own subnet which is nat'ed to eth0.... the devices connected to a switch on eth1 |
| 19:52.57 | zecrazytux | taime1: i don't know much of m$ products, but i wouldn't be surprised if they require separate boxes for separate services? that ain't the case for free software: do what you xant. your only concerns are security, isolation, performances... |
| 19:53.00 | janvdl | ompaul: do you maybe know of a decent proxy app i can install on my main pc to let other computers connect via it? |
| 19:53.20 | ompaul | janvdl: use debian and squid |
| 19:53.25 | janvdl | ompaul: I'm currently using AnalogX Proxy |
| 19:53.35 | taime1 | zecrazytux: did my last post make sense? |
| 19:53.36 | ompaul | janvdl: I won't even look that up - it runs on windows |
| 19:53.38 | tehrabbitt | so all the devices on eth1, get an IP lease from the debian box need to be able to pass the UDP "Probe" to the eth0 network. |
| 19:53.41 | tehrabbitt | how can I do this |
| 19:53.55 | zecrazytux | taime1: you said that your problem with freenas was that it requires that your LDAP accounts _shall_ match unix account. am I wrong ? |
| 19:53.57 | janvdl | ompaul: best is probably to just get an adsl connection and dump the 3g dongle |
| 19:54.09 | ompaul | janvdl: that would be good |
| 19:54.10 | janvdl | ompaul: it's the root of all my problems currently |
| 19:54.17 | janvdl | ompaul: oh wait! |
| 19:54.23 | janvdl | ompaul: it's updating |
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| 19:54.38 | janvdl | ompaul: was just stuck on 0% for a LONG time |
| 19:54.46 | taime1 | zecrazytux: yeah thats wrong. i was saying that freenas requires me to either use ldap/ad OR to manually create users that match the client's |
| 19:54.56 | janvdl | ompaul: thanks so much for your help, i'm still a noob with these things ;) |
| 19:55.18 | keith4 | taime1: you manage 50 workstations without any sort of directory service? |
| 19:55.27 | taime1 | zecrazytux: and since i am clueless in this area (AD vs LDAP), i thought my only options were to do it the hard way in freenas, or switch to debian |
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| 19:55.51 | taime1 | keith4: i know.. i know.. but its not my building, and the owners arent friendly enough to take my advice |
| 19:55.57 | alfplayer | bolt: there's something about it on debian rules file, AVOID_GCC_... |
| 19:56.45 | bolt | alfplayer: what debian rules file? |
| 19:56.45 | keith4 | taime1: also, I'm not sure I believe you about the "MUST match" part |
| 19:57.13 | taime1 | keith4: i swear it. i didnt want to believe it either but i verified it in the documentation AND in the support channel |
| 19:57.24 | alfplayer | bolt: it's the main debian build script, on debian/ directory |
| 19:57.41 | keith4 | taime1: is that just because your Windows users don't know how to connect with a different username/password? |
| 19:57.47 | zecrazytux | taime1: well, take a box, install debian, samba on it, have a good play, and let's see how it goes ;) |
| 19:57.58 | taime1 | zecrazytux: aye :) |
| 19:58.04 | taime1 | keith4: what do you mean? |
| 19:58.07 | bolt | alfplayer: you're at having the source downloaded already. i still need to get apt-get to grab the build-deps without borking on not finding g++-4.6 |
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| 19:58.23 | ompaul | 10 points to zecrazytux and 5 to keith4 for reading zecrazytux first |
| 19:58.38 | alfplayer | bolt: right... |
| 19:58.55 | bolt | alfplayer: i tried adding the --ignore-missing option, but that obviously did nothing and it still wants to find g++-4.6 and refuses to get what other build-deps there might be without having that |
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| 19:59.33 | spaceone | hi |
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| 20:00.17 | spaceone | i have a bug, which prevents me logging in... |
| 20:00.19 | taime1 | keith4: they all use each others machines... (i hate it but it's a reality) and so i would have to setup all 50 users on all 50 machines.. its not even an option. they just refues to have an AD server |
| 20:00.23 | spaceone | Jul 5 21:40:01 vserver496 CRON[20073]: PAM pam_parse: expecting return value; [...common-session-noninteractive] |
| 20:00.24 | spaceone | Jul 5 21:40:01 vserver496 CRON[20073]: PAM (cron) no module name supplied |
| 20:00.26 | spaceone | Jul 5 21:40:01 vserver496 CRON[20073]: PAM (other) illegal module type: @include |
| 20:00.28 | spaceone | Jul 5 21:40:01 vserver496 CRON[20073]: PAM pam_parse: expecting return value; [...common-auth] |
| 20:00.30 | spaceone | Jul 5 21:40:01 vserver496 CRON[20073]: PAM (other) no module name supplied |
| 20:00.32 | spaceone | Jul 5 21:40:01 vserver496 CRON[20073]: PAM (other) illegal module type: @include |
| 20:00.34 | spaceone | omg |
| 20:00.46 | keith4 | spaceone: paste. bin. |
| 20:01.01 | ompaul | spaceone: a laggy bot might kick you for what doesn't seem to make sense |
| 20:01.07 | spaceone | i thought about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511684 but the line in /etc/pam.d/cron is already fixed |
| 20:01.16 | spaceone | ompaul: keith4 yep sorry |
| 20:01.32 | bolt | how can I make apt-get build-dep ignore dependencies it can't find and proceed with getting the others? |
| 20:02.12 | chubba | strange. just dist-upgraded from 3.1 to 4 but kernel is still 2.4 |
| 20:02.20 | spaceone | chubba: reboot |
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| 20:02.34 | chubba | spaceone: done of cource |
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| 20:02.40 | spaceone | chubba: check grub entries |
| 20:02.52 | keith4 | taime1: ouch |
| 20:03.01 | keith4 | taime1: where in the docs do you see this, btw? |
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| 20:03.23 | chubba | spaceone: oh yeah, probably no automatic grub-install |
| 20:03.27 | taime1 | ompaul: keith4 abrotman zecrazytux, thank you all very much for your time and patience. your input is greatly appreciated |
| 20:03.42 | spaceone | so can anybody help me fixing that PAM issue |
| 20:04.09 | taime1 | keith4: http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Windows_%28CIFS%29_Shares#Configuring_Local_User_Access configuring local user access |
| 20:04.16 | bolt | bleh. i'll just go with chrome :/ updated chromium is just too much of a hassle |
| 20:05.12 | alfplayer | bolt: you can try asking on oftc network |
| 20:06.09 | keith4 | taime1: hardly convincing |
| 20:06.23 | taime1 | keith4: yeah but i verified it in the channel |
| 20:06.30 | taime1 | keith4: i thought it seemed stupid too |
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| 20:06.37 | keith4 | taime1: pretty sure it's *just* samba, which doesn't have that problem |
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| 20:06.39 | taime1 | keith4: if not for that, id be done today |
| 20:07.26 | taime1 | keith4: but sadly, i have tried it both ways, and it really does only work if you match the user names to the client or use AD/LDAP. total bummer |
| 20:07.28 | zecrazytux | taime1: anyway, that's not #freenas there; either install debian and have a try, or ask to #freenas people what you can do |
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| 20:07.51 | el_divertido | hola |
| 20:07.52 | taime1 | zecrazytux: yeah i was done.. sorry for entertaining keith4 |
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| 20:19.17 | zecrazytux | chubba: are you done with the upgrade finally ? running squeeze now ? |
| 20:19.22 | keith4 | mum0l: yes |
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| 20:19.37 | keith4 | mum0l: ask in #cacti |
| 20:19.43 | chubba | zecrazytux: yes |
| 20:20.10 | chubba | zecrazytux: that was easier than i expected |
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| 20:20.59 | zecrazytux | chubba: great :) I'ld have had wet hands doing such an upgrade on a production machine. nice to hear that it worked flawlessly :) |
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| 20:21.51 | Silversong | Hi peepz. Just want to learn some most basic terminal commands. Say I have a file within the Public/files/programName folder (given that path), and the filename is called "start-file_EN", what do I need to do within the terminal to open that file? |
| 20:22.06 | Silversong | Because cd Public doesn't work |
| 20:22.31 | Silversong | May someone please teach me how to do that please :)? |
| 20:22.41 | Silversong | Still new to Linux |
| 20:22.57 | zecrazytux | Silversong: define "doesn't work" |
| 20:23.44 | sneex | boke ? |
| 20:24.03 | Silversong | well I can't just type files/programName/start-file_EN within Publics$ |
| 20:24.28 | Silversong | I suppose cd Public works, but commands after that doesn't work, better way to say it. |
| 20:24.46 | mgj | Silversong, is it an executable? ./program |
| 20:24.46 | Silversong | then again probably my terminal command is wrong -__ |
| 20:24.52 | chubba | zecrazytux: i wouldn't do that on a production machine :) this machine will be kind of home server at my grandmas home. I've picked it up at the university garbage dump |
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| 20:25.00 | Silversong | the program I'm trying to run is Tor |
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| 20:25.13 | Silversong | it's just called start-tor_en-US |
| 20:25.19 | Silversong | there's no extensions |
| 20:25.30 | zecrazytux | chubba: that might explain the lack of serial or ipmi console :) |
| 20:25.37 | mgj | there doesnt have to be |
| 20:25.42 | Silversong | mgj: shell script (application/x-shellscript) |
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| 20:26.06 | mgj | Silversong, try ' ./files/whatever/start ' |
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| 20:26.10 | mgj | see what happens |
| 20:26.12 | Silversong | okay |
| 20:26.17 | Silversong | what is the . for? |
| 20:26.31 | mgj | for executing |
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| 20:26.37 | mgj | ./<program> is the syntax |
| 20:26.40 | oss117 | current directory maybe |
| 20:26.43 | oss117 | =) |
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| 20:26.58 | Silversong | mgj yes it worked. Thanks :) |
| 20:27.13 | mgj | oss117, but just '/some/dir/file' does not execute |
| 20:27.17 | Silversong | I am still learning about linux lol. Embarrassing questions, those were... |
| 20:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xfsdump |
| 20:27.31 | judd | Package: xfsdump on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.48-1; squeeze: 3.0.4; sid: 3.0.6; wheezy: 3.0.6 |
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| 20:27.51 | zecrazytux | to be more precise, . is for relative path |
| 20:28.05 | chubba | zecrazytux: well, now I just have to visit the postfix channel :) take care |
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| 20:28.13 | zecrazytux | ./whatever : relative; /whatever: absolute path |
| 20:28.26 | mgj | what the hell, you can execute using absolute paths? |
| 20:28.28 | zecrazytux | . is current directory |
| 20:28.56 | zecrazytux | mgj: i think so... let me check the docs :) |
| 20:29.11 | mgj | i'll be damned |
| 20:29.15 | mgj | i never knew |
| 20:29.16 | sneex | >< |
| 20:29.21 | mgj | it seems to work fine |
| 20:29.28 | zecrazytux | mgj: does it ? |
| 20:29.54 | mgj | i think so, yes. Just created a dummy script and ran it using absolute path |
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| 20:30.29 | mgj | It makes sense, i just.... never considered it. =/ |
| 20:30.45 | zecrazytux | Silversong: anyway, you should have a look to tutorials; it'ld be too long and boring to explain everything otherwise, not to be mean |
| 20:31.00 | Silversong | zecrazytux I will :) |
| 20:33.33 | zecrazytux | mgj: do i make too much ? :/ |
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| 20:33.55 | mgj | huh? |
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| 20:41.26 | jhutchins_lt | A file has to be marked executable to be run from an arbitrary path. It also needs a "magic number" or "hashbang" that says what interpreter should run it, such as #! /bin/bash or #! /bin/ksh |
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| 20:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | If it's not marked executable you can run it (for instance) with bash <path/to/file> |
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| 20:42.53 | arokux_h | for an item in change log, how do I find a correspondent change/patch to the original package? Thanks. |
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| 20:43.31 | kajo | hi. what does it change if i put a ":*:" instead of an ":x:" in an user line in /etc/passwd file? will the user be able to use the account only by using "su" via root ? |
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| 20:44.37 | alex12 | hey folks |
| 20:44.50 | alex12 | where can I download live cd with pppoe support built it? |
| 20:44.52 | alex12 | in |
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| 20:45.20 | kajo | alex12: just download the debian netinstall |
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| 20:45.30 | alex12 | kajo there are no net |
| 20:45.37 | alex12 | net via pppoe |
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| 20:46.01 | mgj | jhutchins_lt, thank you |
| 20:46.04 | kajo | you'll have to choose pppoe support where it ask you. (use the *expert* install option) |
| 20:46.42 | alex12 | cool |
| 20:46.45 | kajo | alex12: when you boot the cd choose: "Advanced > " and then choose "expert install" |
| 20:46.52 | alex12 | ok ok |
| 20:47.31 | kajo | then, right after the phase "loading installation tools/components" you can choose addictional stuff |
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| 20:49.42 | kajo | ok, i put the question in another way ... is there a way to access to a man page for the /etc/passwd file? "man passwd" talks only about the command |
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| 20:51.30 | kajo | (lol there's no way to 'RTFM' XD ) |
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| 20:51.37 | ompaul | kajo: on the foot of that page it says see also so there is |
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| 20:51.45 | ompaul | kajo: man 5 passwd |
| 20:51.55 | ompaul | that will tell you what you want - then there's man 5 shadow |
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| 20:53.14 | barhom | I have followed this tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall to successfully start the Debian installer out of PXE boot and TFTP. Now there is only one thing missing, its the fact that my clients booting via PXE are diskless and I would want the root fs to be either NFS or iSCSI (nfs is probably the better choice) - Anyone know where I can read more on how to mount my roots over NFS? |
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| 20:54.51 | kajo | ompaul: ok. so it seems that if i put an * instead of an x it will consider that as an ecrypted password o.O In fact it's strange, because as i remember also privoxy sets the user with an * instead of x and it is not accessible via login (only via su) ... |
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| 20:55.12 | kajo | boh maybe it's ok this way |
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| 20:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | kajo: the command "apropos passwd" will show any relevant manpages. |
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| 20:56.40 | ompaul | barhom: you need to find information about NFS and export --- danger don't run really old stuff and new stuff the difference in versions can be "interesting" mounting old stuff on new hardware |
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| 20:57.03 | barhom | ompaul: I know how to share NFS and export, but Im unsure where to tell the boot loader to mount |
| 20:57.34 | keith4 | zecrazytux: sorry to beat the dead horse, and this will be the end of it... but I just want to set the record straight: that guy was full of crap. you can use whatever local accounts you want with FreeNAS. |
| 20:57.40 | barhom | http://pastebin.com/ZCQjtr3u < this is what I currently have |
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| 20:57.47 | kajo | jhutchins_lt: yes, indeed it is man 5 passwd. but it's an incomplete page .. whatever. but it's ok , i think * could be right :) thanks |
| 20:57.51 | drags | what is the script that runs when a command is not found (and offers suggestions and the packages that contain them) and how can I disable it? |
| 20:58.00 | ompaul | barhom: firstly make sure your nfs is up before you go amounting or mount again after nfs is alive |
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| 20:58.30 | kajo | drags: it uses python and start with a "z" |
| 20:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | kajo: Incomplete? |
| 20:58.54 | kajo | (sorry i dont remember the name, try "aptitude search z$" ) |
| 20:59.07 | barhom | ompaul: I haven't setup NFS yet on this setup, but Ive done that hundreds of times. I don't have a problem getting the NFS up and running - its getting the debian installer to mount it when it loads the boot loader over PXE |
| 20:59.40 | ompaul | barhom: ahh so that's part of the image so it boots with an nfs-client |
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| 21:00.09 | ompaul | barhom: I don't know if this is useful but have a poke at LTSP |
| 21:00.13 | jhutchins_lt | kajo: This might be useful: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Shadow-Password-HOWTO.html |
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| 21:00.22 | kajo | jhutchins_lt: some programs, like privoxy, use "*" instead of "x" in the passwd file. I think it's used to avoid login . access to that account seems to be possible only via a "su" used by root. The man page says nothing about that. so i think it's incomplete |
| 21:00.25 | ompaul | barhom: it is used in your case |
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| 21:01.33 | barhom | ompaul: yeh I read that, Im gonna try that after I get this up and running to see which is easier. Im trying to learn over virtual box atm. Its working great, 1 VM running the dhcp server and PXE and the other VM booting from the first one |
| 21:01.46 | barhom | great way to learn how stuff works |
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| 21:02.20 | ompaul | barhom: that's all you want - how you get there is not interesting :) |
| 21:02.29 | ompaul | once you are there what you do is interesting |
| 21:02.34 | kajo | jhutchins_lt: that is about shadow file, *not* about "passwd and password access disabling" |
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| 21:04.04 | jhutchins_lt | kajo: Nonetheless, I believe it answers your question, as does man shadow. |
| 21:05.09 | kajo | ok, i like enigms/quiz :) |
| 21:05.19 | zecrazytux | keith4: I would have been very surprised otherwise. i get your point; just don't want to spend my night on that :) |
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| 21:09.00 | kajo | ok, found . there was a part of passwd man page inserted in the shadow man page. It seems that an * in the shadow file means that the user cant directly login to the system. someone maybe forgot to put that very same explanation in the passwd man page , so i think that also an * in the passwd file means "no access at all" (if not via a su by root ) |
| 21:09.10 | kajo | problem solved !!!! |
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| 21:10.07 | pkkm | Are the following sources.list lines equivalent? |
| 21:10.08 | pkkm | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 21:10.10 | pkkm | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:10.14 | jhutchins_lt | kajo: The passwd system can be used without the shadow system (as you would see if you read the howto). |
| 21:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | The problem is not with the man pages but with reading them. |
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| 21:14.15 | kajo | jhutchins_lt: " The passwd system can be used without the shadow system" dont you say ? -_- |
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| 21:15.22 | MO_Handes | when I change my keyboard language to my native, keyboard shortcuts don't work (ctrl+alt+L for locking works in English but not in my native lang) ! is it usual? |
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| 21:17.23 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
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| 21:17.30 | kajo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | Indeed. |
| 21:18.00 | kajo | *anything |
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| 21:18.29 | kajo | *encrypted |
| 21:18.33 | karlpinc | MO_Handes: I woudln't think that would be normal. How are you changing the layout? |
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| 21:19.15 | kajo | MO_Handes: what is your language ? |
| 21:19.31 | karlpinc | kajo: See "man passwd" the -l option. |
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| 21:20.00 | MO_Handes | karlpinc, I change the layout using Alt+Shift shortcut or using the gnome 3 gui top bar. and my language is Persian (fa) |
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| 21:21.05 | karlpinc | !locales |
| 21:21.05 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 21:21.15 | kajo | karlpinc: thanks. btw :*: instead of :x: is better |
| 21:21.42 | karlpinc | MO_Handes: I'd say you want "dpkg-reconfigure locales". |
| 21:22.06 | karlpinc | MO_Handes: To change things globally. But I don't really know what I'm doing so take care. |
| 21:22.41 | kajo | MO_Handes: try to find in the menu the keyboard settings. that window has a tab containing all shortcuts, maybe locale change has modified some of them |
| 21:22.42 | karlpinc | MO_Handes: Using debian? |
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| 21:28.08 | bolt | why doesn't any single browser do things well? :( |
| 21:28.34 | MO_Handes | karlpinc, yes, Wheezy |
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| 21:29.08 | MO_Handes | just a couple of days upgraded to Wheezy, I think I didn't have this problem in Squeeze |
| 21:30.06 | nkuttler | MO_Handes: hrm, maybe the shortcuts are bound to other keys? |
| 21:31.34 | MO_Handes | nkuttler, Ctrl+Alt+L just works in English. and Ctrl+Alt+T (which I manually set for gnome-terminal), too |
| 21:32.51 | kajo | MO_Handes: have you checked if the shortcuts configuration has changed ? |
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| 21:38.57 | MO_Handes | let me see |
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| 21:40.22 | MO_Handes | there's no problem with the shortcuts. Lock Screen is set to Ctrl+Alt+L |
| 21:40.38 | MO_Handes | I think I'm going to `dpkg-reconfigure locales` |
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| 21:42.32 | MO_Handes | not fixed :| |
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| 21:44.58 | ilius | Hi |
| 21:45.03 | ilius | I have installed my wireless via package firmware-brcm80211, and I have "wlan0" in my ifconfig output, But I can't connect to my wireless router using wicd (i can connect with cable), I event disabled encryption (on both sides) still i can't connect, anyone has any clu? |
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| 21:46.00 | abrotman | ilius: for which device? |
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| 21:46.53 | ilius | abrotman: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01) |
| 21:47.47 | jhutchins_lt | Why am I getting "Operation not permitted" trying to remove files from lost+found on a drive? |
| 21:47.54 | ilius | wicd even lists wl networks, driver seems good |
| 21:47.57 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: not root? :P |
| 21:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: root. |
| 21:49.04 | jhutchins_lt | I'm reformatting the partition (created by clonezilla), but it's still odd. |
| 21:49.32 | jhutchins_lt | I really should take a backup before I do any more of this. |
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| 21:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | I'm overwriting my previous backup. |
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| 21:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | I also need to boot to a CD to do the rsync instead of screwing with a live system, but this will save me an hour or so copying files. |
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| 21:56.02 | LaptopBrain | hmmm |
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| 21:56.10 | LaptopBrain | does anyone here use nessus to scan their debian boxes? |
| 21:56.29 | pparadis | !anyone |
| 21:56.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:56.38 | LaptopBrain | i have a debian squeeze box that is up to date with the very latest stuff from apt and nessus is saying bind is out of date and has tons of holes in it. i think its just not picking up the debian patchlevel on the version |
| 21:56.53 | pparadis | that's likely what's happening. |
| 21:57.00 | jhutchins_lt | pparadis: Knowledge of nessus is a reasonable thing to check for before asking about it here. |
| 21:57.26 | LaptopBrain | i take it they dont have any presence here since they closed their source, either :/ |
| 21:57.33 | engla | checking before doesn't work on irc, regardless of what the question is |
| 21:57.35 | pparadis | jhutchins_lt: i really disagree there. his actual question was much more informative, and it's policy to avoid asking "does anyone use [$x]" in the first place. |
| 21:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | Security tools often complain about Debian versions being "too old". |
| 21:58.19 | LaptopBrain | on a related note does debian's bind config allow me to spoof the version number, or would that be a question for #bind etc |
| 21:58.47 | LaptopBrain | im trying to be 'prepared' just in case one of my customers ever wants a PCI compliant box, as i have first hand experience of how much of a pain that is |
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| 21:58.51 | pparadis | LaptopBrain: this is a problem in general with many tools, as jhutchins_lt just pointed out. for example, many "pci vendors" |
| 21:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | They often assume that if there IS a newer version, the old version must be bad. |
| 21:58.59 | pparadis | wow, you just nailed what i ws going to say :) |
| 21:59.07 | LaptopBrain | yeah, thats what im expecting to be up against some time in the future. |
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| 21:59.38 | LaptopBrain | on a box in my day job, we just put all services except httpd on a different host, and anyone wanting pci compliance we put them on a dedicated ip that only had httpd on it ;) hax. but its compliant |
| 21:59.41 | pparadis | it's a PITA. you can explain to some auditors what you're actually running, and they'll get it, and others are absolutely stupid and won't care, they'll just keep saying "fail" |
| 22:00.20 | LaptopBrain | yeah, in my day job its a windows box. even more of a pain |
| 22:00.25 | LaptopBrain | but thats way OT |
| 22:01.10 | pparadis | if your pci-dss "compliance auditor" turns out to be the stupid variety, you might speak with management about working with your merchant processor to find one that isn't that stupid. |
| 22:03.37 | LaptopBrain | hmmm |
| 22:03.43 | LaptopBrain | its saying i have an open smtpd too :/ |
| 22:03.49 | LaptopBrain | that cant be right, surely. *goes to check* |
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| 22:06.13 | LaptopBrain | hmm, its fibbing. *goes to remove my ip from the allowed relay list* bbl |
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| 22:09.11 | haumea | I'm a new crunchbang user, and I have an issue with the Alsa mixer |
| 22:09.22 | haumea | I can't run it through a terminal |
| 22:09.32 | haumea | and when I run it through super+v |
| 22:09.54 | haumea | I have no control over the master volume |
| 22:09.55 | gnarface | !crunchbang |
| 22:09.56 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 22:10.26 | _alpha_ | hi all, I'm attempting to upgrade an old VPS running lenny to squeeze; the debian.org instructions seem to suggest I add the squeeze entries to my sources.list; then apt-get update & upgrade; and then do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:10.47 | _alpha_ | is that right? I've done a few ubuntu upgrades before so just checking if the process here is a little different |
| 22:10.52 | jagginess | hi, i have a dumb question.. if smtp is specified as a transport, what ports are used for destination? 25, +587? (Is port 587 implied as part-smtp?) (debian-exim) |
| 22:10.58 | gnarface | _alpha_: yes, that should work assuming your lenny is current enough already |
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| 22:11.09 | gnarface | _alpha_: but you should read the release notes if this is anything important |
| 22:11.19 | gnarface | _alpha_: there are a couple gotchas |
| 22:11.34 | petemc | jagginess: mtas use port 25 to talk to each other, clients use 587 to submit mail to mtas |
| 22:11.41 | gnarface | _alpha_: by gotchas i mean things you need to do *after* if you are running certain software |
| 22:11.53 | _alpha_ | ok, thanks |
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| 22:12.04 | gnarface | _alpha_: i'd recommend a fulll backup too |
| 22:12.12 | _alpha_ | yeah have done that |
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| 22:22.20 | jagginess | petemc, are you saying the only way to go for port 587 is to use exim as a mua_wrapper? |
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| 22:30.21 | SumYunGai | hai frindz |
| 22:30.39 | SumYunGai | how do i reinstall the networking icon in taskbar |
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| 22:30.59 | SumYunGai | after i updated to 3.2 kernil it stopped working |
| 22:31.06 | SumYunGai | it now has a lil x on it |
| 22:31.16 | SumYunGai | but the internet works |
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| 22:39.55 | eliasp | hi |
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| 22:40.41 | eliasp | I have trouble using an ECDSA pubkey when connecting to debian hosts via SSH? it works just fine between all my Gentoo boxes, so I never thought it wouldn't work somewhere else, but now I could reproduce this issue on several Debian hosts |
| 22:41.43 | eliasp | the debug output of the server doesn't look very promising when connecting: http://paste.kde.org/513224/ |
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| 22:42.06 | eliasp | it doesn't mention anything about the ECDSA key which is offered by the client |
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| 22:42.21 | pparadis | eliasp: you might trying sshd at higher verbosity. |
| 22:42.26 | pparadis | s/trying/try/ |
| 22:42.53 | eliasp | pparadis: there's something higher than 'DEBUG'? |
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| 22:43.16 | pparadis | or use "ssh -v -v -v" on the client side. |
| 22:44.18 | pparadis | eliasp: also see "LogLevel" here --> http://man.he.net/man5/sshd_config |
| 22:44.43 | pparadis | eliasp: short answer, yes, DEBUG2 and DEBUG3 are higher than DEBUG. |
| 22:44.58 | eliasp | pparadis: thx, missed this |
| 22:45.01 | pparadis | np |
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| 22:48.10 | eliasp | client: http://paste.kde.org/513236/ server: http://paste.kde.org/513242/ |
| 22:48.49 | eliasp | still doesn't tell me anything about the key being rejected on the server side… not even anything about getting the offer at all |
| 22:49.05 | eliasp | that's weird… is OpenSSH on debian built without ECDSA at all? |
| 22:49.34 | eliasp | running Debian 6.0 with OpenSSH_5.9p1-hpn13v11lpk |
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| 22:56.59 | gnarface | anyone got tips for fixing horizontal scrolling in iceweasel ? |
| 22:57.12 | nkuttler | fixing? |
| 22:57.12 | gnarface | should it work by default? |
| 22:57.38 | SumYunGai | icewazel lol |
| 22:57.45 | SumYunGai | who maed dat name lol |
| 22:57.49 | SumYunGai | :O |
| 22:58.27 | SumYunGai | why cant my dell laptop detect harddrive in debian |
| 22:58.30 | SumYunGai | plz help |
| 22:58.34 | nkuttler | !tell SumYunGai about why iceweasel |
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| 23:02.35 | judgen | one big problem is in jscript image handling in iceweasel. Just go to gnome-look.org and look at a screenshot. the scrollbars does not work. |
| 23:02.46 | judgen | scrollbars on the image preview |
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| 23:07.51 | eliasp | pparadis: ok, problem "solved"… Debian's OpenSSH is simply fucking old: OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze2, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010 |
| 23:07.57 | drathir | anybody maybe know how to statically set interface to wirless card if have to one builit in and second with usb plug..? |
| 23:07.58 | eliasp | pparadis: ECDSA was introduced in 5.7 |
| 23:08.28 | eliasp | drathir: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 23:11.05 | LaptopBrain | i cant set the auth type of phpmyadmin to 'http' using the debian installed version. the only google suggestions are to edit a file that is potentially unsafe to edit by hand: http://useranswer.com/answer/setting-http-auth-type-in-phpmyadmin-on-debian/ - can someone please suggest a workaround thats less dangerous? |
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| 23:11.36 | SumYunGai | hi gaize whats the diff between adding user to sudoers file and ading user to wheel in groups file |
| 23:11.51 | LaptopBrain | lots |
| 23:11.54 | LaptopBrain | :p |
| 23:12.00 | oss117 | light a candle ? =) |
| 23:12.24 | LaptopBrain | if you add them to the wheel group they can su but usually theres only one root user, they all use the same password to su up. if you add them to sudoers then they all use their *own* password to elevate privileges |
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| 23:13.29 | LaptopBrain | plus, you can do a lot more with sudo than with simple su, along with all kinds of useful auditing |
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| 23:18.34 | drathir | eliasp: thanks this also works with wireless cards not only with etharnet cards? |
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| 23:18.58 | eliasp | drathir: yes |
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| 23:25.22 | SumYunGai | LaptopBrain adding to sudoers is safer and more corect rite ;/ |
| 23:26.47 | LaptopBrain | personal taste |
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| 23:33.36 | Volkswagner | greetings |
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| 23:36.11 | Volkswagner | I'm not understanding "preserve links" while using tar. I'm trying to free space on limited hard drive by moving /usr/share/doc directory to a second disk mounted at /var |
| 23:36.30 | Volkswagner | here is the command I issued tar cf - doc | (cd /var/usr/share && tar xfp - ) |
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| 23:37.23 | adam_ | i need wine 1.4.1 on my debian squeeze how to do ? |
| 23:37.26 | Volkswagner | after the above command is run symbolic links are "followed" and copied as a directory |
| 23:37.49 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, ok, mount the storage somewhere... done? |
| 23:38.17 | Volkswagner | since /usr/share/doc contains several symlinks within the same dir my destination is now larger than original |
| 23:38.37 | Volkswagner | how can I make tar copy the link and not convert it to the pointed directory |
| 23:39.14 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, oh, so if you don't "follow symlinks" that means make links instead of copying what's at the link |
| 23:39.36 | nsadmin | do you want all of /usr/share? |
| 23:39.42 | nsadmin | or just /usr/share/doc? |
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| 23:40.04 | Volkswagner | Just /usr/share/doc at the moment |
| 23:40.22 | nsadmin | ok. what do you want to copy it to? |
| 23:41.28 | Volkswagner | the destination is in the above command destination = /var/usr/share/doc |
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| 23:41.32 | tms | win 2 |
| 23:41.51 | nsadmin | so it's already mounted then, yes? |
| 23:42.21 | nsadmin | (you actually want that to be stored on the /var partn?) |
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| 23:43.41 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, yes it is already mounted, /var is my only other disk or mount point to choose from |
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| 23:43.46 | marsfligth | Hi to all. Hi made a disaster on Debian 64-bit. I managed the passwd to add users on my samba server following a guide on the net and after the reboot it don't accept the right password. In more, I have the home directory encrypted (EFS) only this '/home/myusername'. Have you idea how to get access to my account? Thanks |
| 23:44.04 | Volkswagner | once done, I'll symlink /usr/share/doc to /var/usr/share/doc |
| 23:44.25 | Volkswagner | but for now I'm just trying to eliminate the duplicate directories |
| 23:45.02 | adam_ | marsfligth, you can"t even log as root ? |
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| 23:45.31 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, ok, [ -d /var/usr/share/doc ] && echo yes |
| 23:45.38 | nsadmin | that say yes? |
| 23:45.57 | adam_ | open question, can i dist upgrade to wheezy ? |
| 23:46.10 | adam_ | i mean is it a good idea |
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| 23:46.36 | nsadmin | well wheezy is frozen... |
| 23:46.49 | engla | adam_: for wine, I'd recommend playonlinux since it makes it easy to use multiple wine versions and separate prefixes |
| 23:46.50 | adam_ | nsadmin, what does it mean ? |
| 23:47.09 | adam_ | engla, yes i already had this idea but playonlinux is stuck with the default wine of the system |
| 23:47.16 | nsadmin | wheezy has stopped most development activity |
| 23:47.26 | nsadmin | now, it's bug fixing |
| 23:47.28 | adam_ | engla, even if i install an other wine version from playonlinux |
| 23:47.28 | engla | adam_: it shouldn't be, playonlinux can download newer versions |
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| 23:47.40 | nsadmin | it just started |
| 23:47.41 | engla | adam_: hm ok. I'm using the version in wheezy |
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| 23:48.18 | adam_ | engla, in playonlinux i go in configure i select a virtual disk and change the wine version to use but the change is not saved |
| 23:48.36 | adam_ | engla, ok thanks for the info i'll wait the official release before upgrading |
| 23:48.47 | adam_ | nsadmin, ok thanks for the info i'll wait the official release before upgrading |
| 23:50.22 | nsadmin | adam_suggest you monitor the situation and the opinions of folks... in maybe 6 months, there could be a significant improvement |
| 23:50.30 | marsfligth | adam_: i tried in single user mode, but passwd make 2 errors. First typing 'passwd username' dont offer to change the password, just skips all. Second, whe I try 'passwd --delete username' it says that is unable to lock the 'shadow' |
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| 23:50.44 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, so, does that thing say yes? |
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| 23:51.32 | adam_ | nsadmin, ok i'm not pressed i'll just recompile wine of my own |
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| 23:51.53 | phogg | marsfligth: is / rw? |
| 23:52.11 | nsadmin | adam_, cool... btw, before any upgrade, consider backing up your entire storage |
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| 23:52.34 | phogg | marsfligth: from single user mode passwd username should work. What error message do you get? Worst case: You can hand-edit /etc/shadow with any text editor |
| 23:53.00 | adam_ | nsadmin, maybe i made succeed to build wine on my squeeze box i could propose the packages on backports ? |
| 23:53.53 | adam_ | marsfligth, you can log as root and execute passwd username and set the password you want |
| 23:54.00 | nsadmin | adam_, maybe :) |
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| 23:54.14 | adam_ | nsadmin, what is the process to propose a package on backports ? |
| 23:54.27 | marsfligth | phogg: I don't get any error. It is like if on prompt I'd press enter w/o any command |
| 23:54.42 | phogg | marsfligth: strange |
| 23:55.13 | phogg | marsfligth: you can always edit shadow yourself. Just copy a password you know (e.g. root's) and put that in for your user. |
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| 23:56.14 | marsfligth | phogg: I changed passwd and shadow to 'chmod 777' to test, but nothing is changed. Im interested on editing the 'shadow' file. What can I do? |
| 23:56.47 | phogg | marsfligth: that's not good. You definitely do not want shadow to be world readable |
| 23:57.22 | phogg | marsfligth: man shadow. This will describe the format. |
| 23:57.50 | marsfligth | phogg: I forget to say to you that in single user mode I was unable to change permissions. To do that I used a live cd |
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| 23:58.22 | phogg | marsfligth: is the live cd also what you used to run passwd? |
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| 23:59.43 | marsfligth | phogg: very interesting, I don't knew that password was in uncrypted into a plain text file |