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| 00:03.37 | ManoftheSea | I believe the systemd config file for bluetooth.service should have the line "ExecStartPost=/usr/bin/rfcomm bind all" |
| 00:03.50 | ManoftheSea | would it be correct to report this as a bug? |
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| 00:06.38 | tempguest | Hi |
| 00:06.51 | tempguest | can you please help me? Im having troubles with ntp |
| 00:07.20 | dvs | !ask |
| 00:07.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:08.17 | tempguest | ok basically I just dont know how to set it up. Timezone is set, ntp is installed and configured to default pool servers but it keeps showing wrong time |
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| 00:08.52 | jaggz | Can I setup an SSH tunnel to use for hiding my home IP when doing work? |
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| 00:10.07 | jaggz | I have managed to get it to connect to my work website's destination host with ssh -L 8080:work_server:80 admin@work_server |
| 00:10.17 | jaggz | but then I can only access the work server.. it's not a true proxy |
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| 00:19.10 | Ugly_Duck | FATAL: Error inserting ip_tables (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-xen-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko) |
| 00:19.24 | Ugly_Duck | is this a kernel thing, or a xen thing? |
| 00:19.27 | Ugly_Duck | or both |
| 00:20.09 | alfplayer | Ugly_Duck: I think you can get more info with dmesg |
| 00:21.15 | Ugly_Duck | alfplayer: not searching for the keyword iptables or ip_tables |
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| 00:28.25 | nsadmin | Ugly_Duck, that kernel seems early |
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| 00:30.06 | Ugly_Duck | nsadmin: Hmm |
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| 00:32.36 | nsadmin | Ugly_Duck, (cat /etc/debian_version ; echo "=====" ; apt-cache policy ; echo "=====" ; apt-cache policy libc6) > ~/a-paste.txt ; cat ~/a-paste.txt | pastebinit |
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| 00:39.35 | dvs | holds his nose |
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| 00:42.16 | nsadmin | I think it was etch that had .18 |
| 00:43.25 | nsadmin | Ugly_Duck, point being, person would need a great memory to remember the details of etch or whichever release had .18 |
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| 00:47.22 | dvs | it probably is etch |
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| 00:50.42 | nsadmin | Ugly_Duck, do you want to keep your installation where it is? |
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| 00:54.28 | craigevil | wow etch, time to upgrade or install squeeze, and yes 2.6.18 was the kernel in etch |
| 00:54.43 | craigevil | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Kernels |
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| 00:58.17 | dvs | it's over five years old! |
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| 00:59.19 | nsadmin | he hasn't been responsive in the last half hour |
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| 01:01.28 | acu | should I talk here about wheezy ? - I am installing in a intel i7 Laptop (HP DV7) an dnotheing works |
| 01:01.40 | dave1701 | hey how do I download debian |
| 01:01.43 | dave1701 | I am an idiot |
| 01:02.22 | Diopter | dave1701: Glad you cleared that up first thing |
| 01:02.40 | nsadmin | you have several choices; the one we most often recommend is netinstall cd image which you would most often write to a cd and boot |
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| 01:02.45 | dvs | next |
| 01:02.50 | dvs | !next |
| 01:02.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:02.51 | dave1701 | ok I am downloading one of them |
| 01:03.11 | nsadmin | which? what exact file name? |
| 01:03.24 | dave1701 | I did i386 beacuse |
| 01:03.29 | dave1701 | I have a 32 bit intel |
| 01:03.32 | dave1701 | but |
| 01:03.41 | dave1701 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:03.41 | nsadmin | ok, and the filename is? :) |
| 01:03.43 | dave1701 | look |
| 01:03.47 | dave1701 | those are a bunch of stuffs |
| 01:03.58 | dave1701 | CD-1, CD-2..... |
| 01:04.09 | dvs | so which one are you downloading? |
| 01:04.10 | nsadmin | you just want to install right now, yes? |
| 01:04.14 | civillian | look for netinst as you were told |
| 01:04.14 | nsadmin | nothing special? |
| 01:04.32 | dave1701 | debian 6.0.5-i386-CD1.iso |
| 01:04.38 | nsadmin | don't be pushing him around |
| 01:04.39 | dvs | aiht |
| 01:04.56 | dave1701 | is dat ok? |
| 01:05.02 | nsadmin | that will work |
| 01:05.16 | dave1701 | cool |
| 01:05.23 | dave1701 | 84% |
| 01:05.34 | nsadmin | try writing it directly to a cd, then boot |
| 01:05.40 | dave1701 | so will this run on this crappy old computer |
| 01:05.56 | nsadmin | that part I don't know :) |
| 01:06.03 | dave1701 | its a pentium 4 and a bit of ram |
| 01:06.10 | dvs | pulls out his crystal ball |
| 01:06.44 | nsadmin | cuts holes in the crystal ball and bowls a strike! |
| 01:06.56 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:06.57 | stew | dave1701: it runs on things older than the original pentium |
| 01:07.03 | stew | like 486 |
| 01:07.06 | dave1701 | ok so I should be good |
| 01:07.12 | stew | yes |
| 01:07.14 | nsadmin | how much ram? |
| 01:07.19 | stew | it might require as much as 64m of ram |
| 01:07.30 | dave1701 | NO WAY |
| 01:07.35 | dave1701 | I cant bear that much |
| 01:07.39 | dave1701 | jkjk |
| 01:07.41 | dave1701 | lame |
| 01:07.44 | dave1701 | well thanks |
| 01:07.52 | dave1701 | I'll be back after I cant get it to work |
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| 01:12.02 | dan408 | what's the process for submitting a package to debian? |
| 01:12.17 | dan408 | it is currently submitted to fedora |
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| 01:13.01 | stew | dan408: if you have a package prepared, and you think it complies with debian's policies and passes lintian checks, you start to look for a debian developer to sponsor your upload |
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| 01:13.21 | stew | dan408: you should have alredy filed a bug against the wnpp pseudo-package |
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| 01:13.40 | dan408 | stew: well fedora has a rule that it was dropped it wont be accepted |
| 01:14.02 | dan408 | it was dropped from redhat but not fedora so we got around that loophole |
| 01:14.08 | dan408 | link to the policies? |
| 01:14.16 | stew | i don't know anything about fedora other than it is somehow related to redhat |
| 01:14.24 | stew | dan408: google for the "debian policy manual" |
| 01:14.28 | dan408 | thanks |
| 01:14.38 | nsadmin | probably fedora or redhat policy is not included by reference :) |
| 01:14.47 | dan408 | well |
| 01:14.58 | dan408 | it was dropped from redhat before fedora existed |
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| 01:15.04 | dan408 | that's how we got in to fedora |
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| 01:15.11 | stew | dan408: you should be able to run "lintian -i whatever.changes" and have no errors, and a good reason for any warnings you might have |
| 01:15.12 | nsadmin | that's a long time ago |
| 01:15.17 | nsadmin | 15 years? |
| 01:15.23 | dan408 | 10 years |
| 01:15.33 | chipotle_ | can someone tell me if these two motherboards will work with an Intel G620 cpu please? i'd like to order them but i'm not sure... 1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 and 2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121508 |
| 01:15.36 | dan408 | stew: cool |
| 01:15.57 | dan408 | nsadmin: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=43610 <-- entertaining read |
| 01:16.14 | nsadmin | cool :) thanks |
| 01:16.15 | dan408 | 06-05-2001 |
| 01:16.16 | stew | dan408: once you think you are ready, http://lists.deban.org/debian-mentors is a mailing list for help or finding sponsors, or #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 01:16.26 | dan408 | stew: thank you |
| 01:16.28 | abrotman | chipotle_: you probably want ##hardware |
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| 01:16.44 | stew | dan408: that might be a tough one because of the horrible security track record it has |
| 01:16.47 | dan408 | stew: now, if it is in the debian repo will it automatically be in ubuntu and mint? or do i need to submit seperately to them? |
| 01:16.50 | chipotle_ | abrotman they don't know anything :/ |
| 01:17.01 | dan408 | stew: there were 2 CVEs that are ancient and are now fixe. |
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| 01:17.16 | stew | dan408: this isnt' the place to ask about ubuntu nor mint |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | chipotle_: they'd know more than an OS support channel .. or check the manuf website |
| 01:17.25 | dan408 | it's funny because the CVEs are against 1.1 and it's still in the freebsd ports tree |
| 01:17.33 | dan408 | this is for bitchx 1.2 |
| 01:18.07 | stew | dan408: where is upstream for it? |
| 01:18.20 | nsadmin | dan408, and as an actual answer to your question, inclusion in debian does not imply inclusion anywhere else |
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| 01:18.45 | dan408 | stew: http://www.github.com/BitchX/BitchX1.2 |
| 01:18.56 | dan408 | nsadmin: thanks. |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | ugh... |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | thought bitchx was dead upstream |
| 01:19.40 | dan408 | nope |
| 01:19.44 | dan408 | 1.2 started in 2004 |
| 01:19.50 | dan408 | it's been in development for 8 years |
| 01:20.00 | dan408 | still trying to get the lead dev to freeze the code so we can move on to 1.3 |
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| 01:22.02 | dave1701 | Help! |
| 01:22.08 | dave1701 | Debian Ate my computer! |
| 01:22.12 | dan408 | abrotman: would you like to test my deb package? |
| 01:22.15 | dvs | nom nom nom! |
| 01:22.54 | dave1701 | help!!! |
| 01:23.33 | dan408 | dave1701: omfg! |
| 01:23.42 | dvs | oh noes! |
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| 01:25.33 | dave1701 | it says something like "Undefined video something or other.... |
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| 01:26.06 | lasers | " |
| 01:26.31 | dave1701 | Just my luck |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | dan408: bitchx? not a chance |
| 01:27.43 | dan408 | lol ok |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | hardly lol, but good luck |
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| 01:28.56 | dan408 | eh it's just to make people's lives easier |
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| 01:29.11 | dan408 | they can just apt-get install it instead of having to compile it |
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| 01:29.45 | dan408 | i don't see anything about previously dropped packages here so that's good |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | dan408: FWIW, ISTR that irssi has a bitchx mode |
| 01:30.06 | dan408 | abrotman: that's nice. |
| 01:30.20 | dan408 | i've been using BitchX since 1995 |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | you're the only one :) |
| 01:30.34 | dan408 | not really |
| 01:30.43 | dan408 | considering irssi didn't exist back then |
| 01:31.24 | abrotman | in 95, no .. but since the mid 00s, yes |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | if not way earlier |
| 01:31.33 | dan408 | yes, i know. |
| 01:31.53 | abrotman | dan408: well, good luck getting it into Debian |
| 01:31.55 | dave1701 | undefined video mode number 314 |
| 01:31.59 | dan408 | thank you abrotman |
| 01:32.03 | dan408 | appreciate it |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | dan408: next, i expect you to package ircii :) |
| 01:32.21 | stew | I think it would really be up to the security team |
| 01:32.25 | dan408 | ircii? |
| 01:32.33 | dan408 | is that not already packaged? |
| 01:32.39 | abrotman | stew: i agree, given the record of bitchx |
| 01:32.45 | dan408 | 2 CVEs? |
| 01:32.51 | dan408 | how many CVEs has openssh had? |
| 01:33.00 | dan408 | 2 CVEs in 20 years? |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | oh jeez, ircii is still there |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | it's had more than that IIRC |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | oh, just had a few huge issues in 2007 |
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| 01:34.18 | dan408 | 2 big ones |
| 01:34.20 | dan408 | 5 total |
| 01:34.25 | stew | !dbugs 451373 |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | more than 2, but two huge ones |
| 01:34.29 | dpkg | DONE:#451373:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: ircii-pana -- RoQA; security issues, abandoned upstream, unmainted (); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:09:02 UTC [] |
| 01:34.40 | dan408 | yeah |
| 01:34.55 | dan408 | that is sad |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | stew: by abandoned, they mean moving at Enlightment pace :) |
| 01:35.13 | dan408 | well |
| 01:35.26 | dan408 | since i started working with caf (panasync's replacement) in January |
| 01:35.31 | dan408 | it is no longer moving at that pace |
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| 01:35.52 | dan408 | they cypress bug is interesting though |
| 01:35.57 | dan408 | cypress is a script |
| 01:36.02 | dan408 | not included with bitchx |
| 01:36.07 | dan408 | but I know caf uses it |
| 01:36.13 | dan408 | adds that to his "look into list" |
| 01:36.53 | dan408 | the rest of the CVEs do not apply to BitchX 1.2 |
| 01:38.01 | dan408 | http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=1915&product_id=&version_id=&page=1&hasexp=0&opdos=0&opec=0&opov=0&opcsrf=0&opgpriv=0&opsqli=0&opxss=0&opdirt=0&opmemc=0&ophttprs=0&opbyp=0&opfileinc=0&opginf=0&cvssscoremin=0&cvssscoremax=0&year=0&month=0&cweid=0&order=1&trc=5&sha=97d6d685ba0eb520aa9ac7374612073bb4a1b73b |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | ugly URL! |
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| 01:57.36 | LtL | dan408: tried your bitchx deb, shows installed but is nowhere to be found, doesnt run. |
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| 02:00.11 | LtL | dan408: correction, its running, case is everything, my screwup |
| 02:00.14 | dan408 | LtL: just type BitchX |
| 02:00.17 | dan408 | there you go |
| 02:00.24 | LtL | dan408: its running |
| 02:00.27 | dan408 | you can test Freenode SASL by doing this |
| 02:00.43 | dan408 | BitchX nickname irc.freenode.net::password -c #\channel |
| 02:00.52 | dan408 | there is a way to not have that in your command string |
| 02:01.01 | dan408 | thank you for testing |
| 02:01.10 | dan408 | you can also /detach |
| 02:01.10 | dan408 | and scr-bx |
| 02:01.16 | dan408 | to reattch (must be from same tty) |
| 02:01.24 | dan408 | you can also use screen |
| 02:01.27 | LtL | dan408: havent used it in so long i forget it :) |
| 02:01.36 | dan408 | UTF-8 output in X windows we are working on |
| 02:02.02 | dan408 | workaround right now is in terminal -> set charachter encoding -> IBM PC850 |
| 02:02.06 | dan408 | then you get all the ansi prettiness |
| 02:02.19 | dan408 | works fine in non X windows terminal |
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| 02:36.19 | LtL | dan408: one slight bug, cannot set/save `REALNAME` |
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| 02:36.41 | LtL | I'm offtopic, sorry. |
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| 03:03.43 | craigevil | acu, try using the kmuto installer |
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| 03:12.44 | Cyclohexane | !sequeeze |
| 03:12.53 | Cyclohexane | !squeeze |
| 03:12.54 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.5>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 03:13.09 | Cyclohexane | !lenny |
| 03:13.09 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 03:13.18 | dvs | !msg the bot |
| 03:13.18 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 03:15.34 | nsadmin | !msg the bot for helpers |
| 03:15.34 | dpkg | please tell people to /msg apt <factoid name> rather than use tell; then they do it once by their own choice. |
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| 03:17.24 | nsadmin | oh, I guess that was from when dpkg was on vacation |
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| 03:53.15 | cardamon | Hey guys, I need a way to write out some matrices and mathematical symbols in a document, I'm clueless on what packages are out there for libreoffice...or if that's even what I should use. |
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| 03:58.00 | aBound | cardamon, I would say use the tool called Latex but I can't say much if they have a package/addon for libreoffice. |
| 03:58.33 | cardamon | I know LaTeX markup. I use it a lot for mathbin.net |
| 03:58.38 | aBound | cardamon, http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/texmaths-1 |
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| 04:03.13 | adrakoa | hi all |
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| 05:13.01 | N-I-L | shakoo? |
| 05:13.36 | SomeoneWeird | can anyone help me get my card reader working? |
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| 05:14.45 | SomeoneWeird | oh nvm, looks like a problem with my sdcard |
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| 05:29.44 | sebas-debian | hi guys |
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| 05:30.16 | sebas-debian | hi |
| 05:30.58 | sebas-debian | 1120 guys connected and nobody writes |
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| 05:31.06 | sebas-debian | lol |
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| 05:32.41 | gnarface | sebas-debian: did you have a debian support question? |
| 05:35.09 | sebas-debian | gnaface: not at the moment. |
| 05:35.15 | sebas-debian | gnarface: why? |
| 05:36.06 | gnarface | sebas-debian: you should be happy, this means nothing is broken :) |
| 05:36.14 | sebas-debian | hahaha |
| 05:36.25 | sebas-debian | debian works good |
| 05:36.41 | gnarface | it works good if you follow the rules |
| 05:36.46 | gnarface | its a bit fragile if you don't |
| 05:36.46 | sebas-debian | but the games just runs to 60 fps |
| 05:37.07 | gnarface | gaming isn't its forte` |
| 05:37.15 | civillian | sebas-debian: vsync? |
| 05:37.15 | gnarface | that's a linux thing not a debian thing really |
| 05:37.30 | sebas-debian | civillian: I don't think so |
| 05:37.32 | gnarface | and its more a support issue than anything inherently wrong with linux (in *most* cases0 |
| 05:38.11 | sebas-debian | I got Intel HD Graphics Integrate |
| 05:38.12 | sebas-debian | d |
| 05:38.39 | gnarface | sebas-debian: there should be both driver-level and game-level settings for vsync... you want to make sure you have BOTH turned off |
| 05:38.57 | gnarface | sebas-debian: that's not what you'd call a performance video card though |
| 05:39.16 | gnarface | sebas-debian: what game? |
| 05:39.29 | sebas-debian | my english is not very good, sorry |
| 05:39.37 | sebas-debian | Urban Terror 4.1 |
| 05:39.44 | sebas-debian | runs 60 fps with luck |
| 05:40.00 | gnarface | hmm |
| 05:40.04 | gnarface | that's on the quake3 engine? |
| 05:40.14 | sebas-debian | yes |
| 05:40.33 | gnarface | but at what settings? |
| 05:40.55 | gnarface | resolution, texture quality, color depth, anti-aliasing, etc |
| 05:41.50 | sebas-debian | I setting the game without vertical sync |
| 05:41.53 | sebas-debian | that's sure |
| 05:42.11 | sebas-debian | but the graphic card I don't sure |
| 05:42.19 | civillian | I doubt the integrated chip would handle much AA |
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| 05:43.17 | sebas-debian | haven't got AA |
| 05:43.23 | gnarface | sebas-debian: man intel |
| 05:43.32 | gnarface | sebas-debian: XV_SYNC_TO_VBLANK maybe? |
| 05:43.40 | gnarface | sebas-debian: XV i think is for video though |
| 05:44.15 | sebas-debian | man intel | grep XV_SY |
| 05:44.16 | gnarface | sebas-debian: i don't think that video card has hardware OpenGL, so I think 60fps may be pretty good even in quake3, depending on what resolution and texture quality settings you are using |
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| 05:44.22 | sebas-debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.22 | sebas-debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.09 | gnarface | sebas-debian: maybe try setting that to 0 |
| 05:45.27 | sebas-debian | how? |
| 05:45.47 | gnarface | sebas-debian: it says how right above it |
| 05:45.59 | gnarface | sebas-debian: The driver supports the following X11 Xv attributes for Textured Video. You can use the "xvattr" tool to query/set those attributes at runtime. |
| 05:46.35 | sebas-debian | ok, installing |
| 05:48.59 | sebas-debian | XV_SYNC_TO_VBLANK is 1 |
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| 05:49.02 | sebas-debian | buddy |
| 05:51.03 | gnarface | sebas-debian: yea i think it probably won't actually affect quake3 but its something you can try |
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| 05:52.08 | gnarface | sebas-debian: do you get a better framerate if you set texture quality to "low" in quake3? |
| 05:52.51 | sebas-debian | no |
| 05:53.07 | sebas-debian | my resolution is 1920x1080 |
| 05:53.23 | sebas-debian | in Windows 7 Urban Terror runs to 70-90 fps |
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| 05:54.12 | gnarface | sebas-debian: oh... Option "SwapbuffersWait" "boolean" |
| 05:54.25 | gnarface | sebas-debian: that is enabled by default as well, disable that |
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| 05:55.02 | sebas-debian | how I can do it? |
| 05:55.40 | gnarface | sebas-debian: do you currently have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 05:56.17 | sebas-debian | no |
| 05:56.27 | sebas-debian | I should create it so |
| 05:56.41 | gnarface | sebas-debian: no, just create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf file |
| 05:57.21 | sebas-debian | mmm |
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| 05:58.52 | gnarface | sebas-debian: http://paste.debian.net/175201/ here put that in it, and restart X |
| 05:59.16 | gnarface | sebas-debian: you had no files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ previously right? |
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| 06:00.45 | mulenmar | icewm-themes has multiple themes containing registered trademarks, and one containing an image from a site that says, "Reproduction and copying forbidden". :( |
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| 06:01.24 | sebas-debian | gnarface: Thanks for the help buddy |
| 06:01.33 | gnarface | sebas-debian: did that improve your framerates? |
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| 06:02.44 | sebas-debian | gnarface: not yet, but I am researching that |
| 06:03.02 | gnarface | sebas-debian: check out "man intel" there is lots of good stuff in there |
| 06:03.28 | mulenmar | The latter I'm certain is against DFSG. And I think the trademark violations fall under "Free redistribution". Am I right, and should try to file a bug report? |
| 06:04.03 | gnarface | sebas-debian: those two settings i included in my example will definitely help your quake3/urban terror framerates though, and i'd like to find out by how much they do |
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| 06:05.05 | sebas-debian | oh, ok, I am trying buddy, thanks |
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| 06:08.17 | Guest85598 | k |
| 06:09.50 | askanjo | hi |
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| 06:09.57 | askanjo | is it possible to compile a kernel using the config file taken from the kernel i'm using (the config file in /boot ) ? |
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| 06:10.07 | askanjo | or will it be incompatible with the new kernel ? |
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| 06:10.29 | nevyn | askanjo: yes but you probably want to run make oldconfig and answer any new config questions |
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| 06:11.01 | Guest85598 | hi |
| 06:11.10 | nevyn | askanjo: so my process for making a config these days.. copy /boot/config-somekernel .config |
| 06:11.17 | nevyn | make oldconfig (answer the new questions) |
| 06:11.20 | nevyn | make menuconfig |
| 06:11.40 | nevyn | disable stuff I know I will never use. (my laptop will never be connected to SONET) |
| 06:11.52 | nevyn | or to fibrechannel |
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| 06:12.22 | askanjo | nevyn: that "make oldconfig" is used to upgrade the old config file ? (aka "create a new config file based on the old version + new options present in the new kernel i'm going to compile ? ) |
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| 06:13.28 | nevyn | yes |
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| 06:14.26 | askanjo | nevyn: thanks very much :) |
| 06:15.09 | sebas-debian | gnarface: bye buddy, maybe I coming later |
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| 06:34.00 | Silent | Hi :) |
| 06:34.35 | Silent | Guys, are HTTP speeds limited by default? I have like 70 MB/s upload, but am only getting to like 500 MB/s |
| 06:34.46 | Silent | When downloading a file that is |
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| 06:35.11 | zybiski | depends on the connection of the server |
| 06:35.51 | zybiski | all servers have a max download speed limit |
| 06:35.57 | Silent | How do I find it out? |
| 06:35.58 | Sm0ke0ut | most are on 100mbit |
| 06:36.02 | zybiski | its called their connection |
| 06:36.23 | Silent | Can I cancel that limit? |
| 06:36.27 | Sm0ke0ut | no |
| 06:36.37 | zybiski | you can hack into the server and kick every other client off |
| 06:36.37 | Sm0ke0ut | o_O |
| 06:36.41 | zybiski | so that its just you |
| 06:36.41 | Silent | And if I use multiple connecitons? |
| 06:36.44 | zybiski | and you get better speeds |
| 06:36.54 | Sm0ke0ut | lol. you're kidding I hope? |
| 06:37.00 | Silent | No. |
| 06:37.16 | zybiski | yes im joking |
| 06:37.16 | Sm0ke0ut | All nodes have a bandwidth limitation |
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| 06:37.25 | Sm0ke0ut | as you've 500/70 |
| 06:37.39 | Sm0ke0ut | another user can only download from you with 70mbit |
| 06:38.03 | Sm0ke0ut | and the speed would not be raised with more connections, in fact.. it would be splitted |
| 06:38.30 | gnarface | "it would be split" |
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| 06:41.47 | arcsky | if i want to RDP to my windows machine from my home how do i setup a tunnel with putty and make a tunnel to my debian box? putty screen: http://i.imgur.com/PattH.jpg |
| 06:42.23 | mulenmar | Don't know the answer, but why not use VLC? |
| 06:42.30 | mulenmar | Wrong name |
| 06:42.38 | mulenmar | Hold on |
| 06:42.39 | jelly-home | Silent: no, http is not bandwidth limited by the OS in Debian by default, same goes for any other networking protocol. Tuning Gbps / 10Gbps ethernet and the tcp stack for maximum bw usage is a different issue |
| 06:42.51 | Sm0ke0ut | VNC ? :P |
| 06:43.04 | mulenmar | VNC, yes |
| 06:43.07 | mulenmar | facepalms |
| 06:43.21 | Siphonblast | guys, what can I use to handle the god-awful .rar format? |
| 06:43.31 | jelly-home | ,i rar |
| 06:43.32 | Sm0ke0ut | unrar |
| 06:43.34 | judd | Package rar (non-free/utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Archiver for .rar files. Version: 2:3.9.3-1; Size: 543.7k; Installed: 1156k; Homepage: http://www.rarlabs.com/ |
| 06:43.46 | mulenmar | There's a program called GNOME-RDP, as well |
| 06:43.54 | Siphonblast | O.o you guys are fast. |
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| 06:47.42 | mulenmar | "You send me RAR files. And yet, if I kicked you in the shin for it, *I* would be the bad guy." |
| 06:48.06 | Siphonblast | I do hate them as well :( |
| 06:49.50 | mulenmar | I mostly use XZ, unless the difference between it and gzip is less than a couple of megabytes. Then I use gzip, for the faster compression/decompression. |
| 06:50.13 | Siphonblast | I was looking at XZ, it does seem pretty awesome. |
| 06:50.37 | Siphonblast | what's a good mirror for general repositories? |
| 06:50.38 | askanjo | is there a way to "decypts" syslog messages ? for example is there some glossary/manual/index_of_codenames i can use to understand *every* line i find in /var/log/syslog|messages|kern.log ? |
| 06:50.48 | askanjo | *"decrypts" |
| 06:50.54 | Siphonblast | I've been using ftp.debian.org and not only is it slow as hell, I'm a dick for using their bandwidth. |
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| 06:53.15 | mulenmar | Siphon: General rule is whatever mirror is closest to you. Don't remember if the rankmirrors script was for Debian or Arch |
| 06:53.31 | mulenmar | Ah, it's Arch. |
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| 06:53.58 | mulenmar | Hmm. There should be something that has an option to do the same thing in a GNOME software package program. |
| 06:55.09 | mulenmar | I'm not using Debian these days, I just came in to ask about whether those IceWM themes (other than the one with a do-not-copy-or-redistribute image) should get a bug-report. :P |
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| 06:55.59 | gnarface | Siphonblast: here, check out this list: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 06:56.51 | gnarface | Siphonblast: find one that's got good status that's near you. maybe waste bandwidth of some local university... they usually have lots |
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| 07:08.19 | nyuszika7h | Is there a way to install OpenJDK 7 or Oracle Java SE 7 on squeeze + squeeze-backports without dependency issues? |
| 07:08.38 | nyuszika7h | openjdk-7-jre from wheezy/sid depends on a newer version of many things including libc. |
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| 07:14.15 | cache_za_ | i find the local mirrors often give me errors |
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| 07:16.43 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 07:17.23 | cousin_luigi | What are the customary procedures for using a usb adsl modem on debian? |
| 07:17.39 | cousin_luigi | can only see cdc_ether being loaded, but no interface being created. |
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| 07:44.28 | balboah | Anyone have had problem with the e1000e network driver? It just crashed, maybe it's a combination with Xen. http://pastebin.com/mKcCwu4u |
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| 07:48.43 | nevyn | it's been pretty solid for me... |
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| 07:51.18 | nevyn | bts against the kernel team? |
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| 07:51.37 | nevyn | or ask them #debian-kernel on oftc |
| 07:52.13 | fredl | 'lo. I'm using deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free to try and install Skype but apparently that repository is gone, anybody know if there's a new one? |
| 07:52.27 | nevyn | nope. |
| 07:52.54 | fredl | you know that nobody knows whether there's a new one? :) |
| 07:53.04 | fredl | or do you not know? or is there none? |
| 07:53.55 | nevyn | there is no new one. |
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| 07:54.51 | balboah | nevyn: thanks, I found out there is an issue at redhat forums with my particular chipset 82574L |
| 07:55.09 | fredl | hmm ok tnx nevyn |
| 07:55.22 | fredl | is there another good way to install it? |
| 07:55.35 | allorder | http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 07:56.29 | fredl | thanks |
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| 08:28.15 | nevyn | I'm running sid and another distribution :) |
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| 08:29.16 | notze | what can i do if a process has 100% load (python) |
| 08:29.25 | notze | how can i find where it hangs |
| 08:30.30 | Knaldgas | Hmm, my update of mysql-server on Squeeze fails. mysqld version 5.1.63-0+squeeze1. Error message is: Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address. |
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| 08:38.05 | echo_mirage | i installed squeeze on an sd-card for armel arch, it asks for a root password i never set. where do i need to look for this in my install procedure? |
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| 08:44.09 | icarious | when will testing / wheezy get frozen ? |
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| 09:12.06 | micw | hi |
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| 09:12.21 | micw | how long are debian releases normally supported? |
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| 09:13.00 | micw | i need to set up a new server and need to decide between ubuntu 12.04 lts and debian squeeze... |
| 09:13.44 | puffisocks | micw: You want someone else to pick your OS? |
| 09:14.05 | micw | no i just want the question above answered ^^ |
| 09:14.38 | micw | what i found out that every 2 years a new release is made. but i don't know how long the "oldstable" is supported |
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| 09:14.51 | micw | another 2 years? |
| 09:15.23 | torale | intend to go mobile broadband. is debian support good? |
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| 09:15.50 | micw | usually i use gentoo on my systems so i have continuous updates without "versions" |
| 09:15.57 | micw | but it's lot of work with many servers |
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| 09:16.41 | puffisocks | micw: It freezes every two years yes |
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| 09:17.16 | torale | anyone here using mobile broadband? |
| 09:17.40 | ansgar | micw: The old release is supported for one year after the release of the new version. |
| 09:18.14 | micw | so if i use squeeze, i have to upgrade 2014? |
| 09:18.29 | ansgar | Or 2013. |
| 09:18.39 | micw | can i simply to a dist-upgrade and expect that everything keeps working? |
| 09:18.55 | ansgar | No. You should read the release notes when you upgrade. |
| 09:19.13 | ansgar | (But it mostly will keep working.) |
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| 09:21.30 | micw | sure, i'll read the docuzmentation ;) |
| 09:21.40 | micw | especially for productive systems |
| 09:21.56 | zw | Hi there. |
| 09:22.39 | zw | Small debian question. I am no redhat or centos fan, that must be clear. But they have a tool called spacewalk/redhatsattelite thingie for path management etc. Is there something like dat for debian to ? |
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| 09:30.38 | _ramok | hi |
| 09:31.01 | _ramok | how can i search for a string in all logfiles the OS has? is that possible? |
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| 09:38.11 | jaggz | ramok, you can do it in specified directories.. |
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| 09:38.47 | jaggz | you can also do it in /var/log which has a lot of them |
| 09:39.08 | jaggz | zgrep -r 'pattern to search for' /var/log/* |
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| 09:39.19 | jaggz | probably don't need the /* on the end there |
| 09:39.28 | apollo13 | do you guys happen to know if Chris Lamb is on irc and if yes under which name? |
| 09:39.38 | jaggz | oh.. actually you do.. and -r won't work.. |
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| 09:40.31 | g105b | I've installed squeeze onto a small flash drive and I'm having trouble loggin in via ssh in my lan ... is ssh enabled by default? |
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| 09:42.55 | nevyn | it's not installed by default |
| 09:43.26 | nevyn | zw: spacewalk has beta? debian support |
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| 09:44.30 | nevyn | https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/wiki/Deb_support_in_spacewalk |
| 09:46.10 | echo_mirage | i installed squeeze on an sd-card for armel arch, it asks for a root password i never set. where do i need to look for this in my install procedure? |
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| 09:47.27 | nevyn | http://bzed.de/posts/2012/04/working_on_spacewalk_support_for_and_in_debian/ <== more current zw |
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| 09:52.20 | shifty | As of this morning, when I do: 'aptitude show aptitude', I get this message: 'aptitude: relocation error: aptitude: symbol pthread_cond_timedwait, version GLIBC_2.3.2 not defined in file libpthread.so.0 with link time reference'. A similar error occurs when attempting to start evince. Any ideas what I am looking at here? I'm a little scared to reboot! |
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| 09:57.29 | efaistos | hello |
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| 09:57.38 | efaistos | did anyone had this message : E: Internal Error, No file name for libpam0g |
| 09:57.50 | efaistos | I cant install any new pkg :( |
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| 10:08.38 | esto | ,versions eclipse |
| 10:08.39 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.7.2-1; wheezy: 3.7.2-1; experimental: 3.8.0~rc3-2; experimental: 3.8.0~rc3-3 |
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| 10:11.22 | efaistos | any idea ? |
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| 10:25.36 | javierrr | hello |
| 10:26.02 | javierrr | do you know how can I install xfce 4.10 in debian wheezy? |
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| 10:27.06 | thewanderer1 | I'm using etckeeper to manage /etc - how to pass a commit message to it so that I can script it, instead of using a visual editor? |
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| 10:34.37 | Gh0sty | hello I was wondering where do I find the package database on-disk? I want to recreate a system which died and I have a backup from nearly the whole disk ... but I don't want to restore the backup but rather reinstall everything. |
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| 10:35.23 | Woet | Gh0sty: why don't you chroot yourself into the backup folder? then you can run things like 'dpkg --get-selections' |
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| 10:35.40 | Gh0sty | i did not backup /bin and /sbin :p |
| 10:36.03 | aladds | can someone recommend me a package which will allow me to convert between binary and intel hex file formats? |
| 10:36.20 | Woet | Gh0sty: just copy /bin and /sbin from a clean install |
| 10:36.30 | aladds | I can only find rubbish dos programs which only partially work in wine |
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| 10:44.04 | tralala | aladds, what's an intel hex format? |
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| 10:44.46 | aladds | it's a way of representing binary data as ascii |
| 10:44.47 | aladds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HEX |
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| 10:46.40 | thewanderer1 | aladds, it's for data only? and what binaries do you intend to translate into this format? |
| 10:47.48 | aladds | It's a program compiled with gcc/as |
| 10:47.52 | thewanderer1 | also, see eep24c |
| 10:48.05 | aladds | then I use objdump to get binary out of it |
| 10:48.15 | thewanderer1 | okay, so you have the addresses |
| 10:48.21 | aladds | but objdump's intel hex output mode only gives intelhex 8 |
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| 10:48.37 | thewanderer1 | shouldn't take much coding to translate it into other formats from intel hex 8, right? |
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| 10:49.52 | aladds | I can do it manually, sure, but if someone's already written a program to do it that would be way simpler |
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| 10:51.24 | DotHack | isnt there some package that fills my sources.lst like the installer? just choose a country and you get a list of mirrors? |
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| 10:52.46 | gnarface | aladds: i'm not sure i understand what you're looking for exactly... how did your intel hex format get into binary format to begin with? |
| 10:52.50 | ksk | hi |
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| 10:53.44 | ksk | if i have a structure like "etc root usr" etc in svn, is there an easy way to checkout the included files on a debian system right where i want em (etc root ...)? |
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| 10:54.40 | gnarface | aladds: if I understand you right you're just looking for a program that will convert hex files to ascii; something pretty much any hex editor will do and debian has quite a few good ones |
| 10:54.57 | aladds | gnarface: it's compiled with gcc/assembled with as/dumped to binary or ihex8 with objdump |
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| 10:55.06 | aladds | BUT |
| 10:55.09 | aladds | it needs to be ihex32 |
| 10:55.14 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, unfortunately, this is for binary files which define memory layout - it's not text :/ |
| 10:55.23 | aladds | yeah |
| 10:55.27 | thewanderer1 | aladds, go ahead and write a program/script for converting that |
| 10:55.34 | aladds | I think I might |
| 10:55.37 | aladds | since none seem to exist |
| 10:55.46 | thewanderer1 | can't see anything relevant in packages, everything does intel hex 8 |
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| 10:57.42 | thewanderer1 | btw. it's interesting that objdump would output the 16-bit format - I'm sure the object files can span more than 16-bit addressing in size |
| 10:58.03 | aladds | there's a workaround with record types I think |
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| 11:00.13 | thewanderer1 | if intel hex 32 is a supertype of the 8-bit, 8-bit being a subtype should work, no? |
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| 11:01.32 | aladds | it works, but due to the nature of the addressing mode, you can only address 4 words for every 16 words which exist |
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| 11:34.49 | sbarcteam | hi. |
| 11:35.41 | sbarcteam | I'm getting this strange message after the upgrade lenny->squeeze: http://paste.debian.net/175254/ |
| 11:36.02 | sbarcteam | I think that specific package came from outside debian (some external repository) |
| 11:36.12 | sbarcteam | is it safe to delete the whole section of that package ? |
| 11:36.26 | thewanderer1 | sbarcteam, AFAIK, yes |
| 11:36.34 | sbarcteam | that is to edit manually the file /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 11:36.49 | thewanderer1 | I've had to do that on some occasions, didn't bork the system |
| 11:36.53 | themill | sbarcteam: is that package purged from your machine? does it exist in some repo that your soureces.list points to? |
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| 11:37.40 | thewanderer1 | themill, dpkg actually holds the packages that were once installed but are no longer there, even if purged... which is pretty useless most of the time, and seems to be the case :P |
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| 11:38.15 | themill | if the package is not purged or in sources.list still, then it will come back into available at the next apt update |
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| 11:38.38 | sbarcteam | ok. |
| 11:38.42 | sbarcteam | I'll purge then... |
| 11:38.44 | sbarcteam | moment. |
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| 11:40.06 | sbarcteam | I hereby confirm: thewanderer1 is correct. |
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| 11:40.32 | sbarcteam | junk is being collected in the file /var/lib/dpkg/available even though there is no record of package source in sources. |
| 11:40.35 | sbarcteam | :( |
| 11:41.35 | themill | sure, we knew that. |
| 11:41.38 | themill | !available |
| 11:41.39 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
| 11:42.15 | sbarcteam | is dselect still around ? haven't heard from it since potato... |
| 11:42.53 | themill | I think dselect is the only thing that actually uses available |
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| 11:44.08 | superlinux-hp | hi. if i want to use SOCKS proxy on command line, which variable i should export? |
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| 11:44.59 | thewanderer1 | superlinux-hp, I think that depends on the program - every one needs explicit SOCKS support |
| 11:45.09 | superlinux-hp | ah ok |
| 11:45.17 | superlinux-hp | i thought it's like HTTP |
| 11:45.38 | thewanderer1 | well, programs need explicit HTTP proxy support too |
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| 11:45.59 | thewanderer1 | only they often use libraries which automate that |
| 11:45.59 | superlinux-hp | thewanderer1 ah true! |
| 11:46.21 | superlinux-hp | yes ! that came over my head |
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| 11:47.46 | themill | you can sometimes use something like tsocks to force a socks proxy into programs that don't have it natively. |
| 11:48.21 | superlinux-hp | ah ok |
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| 11:48.33 | thewanderer1 | it's a hack, too :P |
| 11:48.38 | themill | oh yes |
| 11:48.47 | superlinux-hp | themill, cos i want to use tor which uses socks |
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| 11:49.03 | superlinux-hp | my command => tor |
| 11:49.05 | themill | well, torify exists for that too |
| 11:49.10 | superlinux-hp | my command => tor => internet |
| 11:49.15 | superlinux-hp | ah ok |
| 11:49.21 | superlinux-hp | great |
| 11:50.41 | superlinux-hp | seriously, that makes me wonder who covers the costs of bandwidth of tor?1 |
| 11:50.58 | thewanderer1 | you (and many others) :) |
| 11:51.23 | superlinux-hp | how?! i am not paying a penny |
| 11:51.33 | superlinux-hp | or i have not paid |
| 11:51.50 | thewanderer1 | oh, you are - you are connected to the Internet and you probably run a node which routes traffic |
| 11:52.20 | thewanderer1 | => your bandwidth is used for routing others' data => true p2p architecture |
| 11:52.34 | superlinux-hp | thewanderer1, i am just a user behind a proxy |
| 11:53.04 | thewanderer1 | if you don't run a node... then others do, like I used to before I had to drop a few VMs from the system |
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| 12:10.00 | gnarface | sebas1: did the settings help you? |
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| 12:15.30 | superlinux-hp | hi. what is stopping debian from using ActiveTCL in there repositories? |
| 12:15.44 | superlinux-hp | *from adding it |
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| 12:17.52 | sontek | Does Debian use all runlevels are is it like Ubuntu where it have 2-5 as the same? |
| 12:18.28 | gnarface | sontek: to be completely clear, *Ubuntu* is "like" *Debian* |
| 12:18.39 | gnarface | sontek: don't get them in the wrong order |
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| 12:19.08 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, hi 5 |
| 12:20.38 | sontek | gnarface: well, what I meant was, I noticed Ubuntu was doing it weird, so wondered if they inherited that from debian |
| 12:21.04 | DotHack | sontek: weird? |
| 12:21.23 | DotHack | sontek: different != weird |
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| 12:21.41 | sontek | DotHack: they don't have the standard run levels for single user, multi-user, etc. 2-5 were all the same |
| 12:21.44 | gnarface | sontek: You mean its not doing it the way RedHat does it. Yes, well, Ubuntu did inherit that from Debian. |
| 12:21.46 | MAZ | hi all |
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| 12:22.10 | gnarface | sontek: but its not weird; RedHat is weird |
| 12:22.19 | MAZ | I want to install a deb package but it depends on a packaga called "python-application" |
| 12:22.41 | MAZ | with version >= 1.2.8 |
| 12:22.48 | gre | heya |
| 12:22.56 | MAZ | I have only the 1.2.4 version installed |
| 12:23.14 | sontek | gnarface: I'm only really familiar with Redhat, SUSE, Arch, and Slackware but they all had done it the way I've grown to know and love ;) |
| 12:23.15 | themill | MAZ: best not trying to install packages that aren't intended for your release |
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| 12:23.29 | themill | sontek: you're free to customise the runlevels however you choose. |
| 12:23.46 | MAZ | does anybody know how to upgrade this package ? |
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| 12:24.25 | gnarface | sontek: SUSE is a RedHat derivative so it would make sense for them to do it the same... |
| 12:24.38 | gre | damn, i got a message from grub2 : rescue mode (out of disk), i can't understand why really... once i installed debian squeeze it was good, no rescue mode and now i got this automatically (im now on fbsd in waiting to fix that problem, with fbsd no problem about it) |
| 12:24.57 | gre | any idea please? |
| 12:25.20 | abrotman | MAZ: you're mixing versions of Debian ? |
| 12:25.34 | boudiccas | greon what? you havent asked a sensible question! |
| 12:25.35 | MAZ | no |
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| 12:25.49 | MAZ | I have a squeeze 64 bit |
| 12:25.51 | sontek | gnarface: SUSE actually was derived from slackware |
| 12:25.57 | sontek | gnarface: but they both use rpm if thats what you mean |
| 12:26.09 | MAZ | I did an aptitude update |
| 12:26.22 | gre | boudiccas: id like to send to hel grub2, is it possible ? :) |
| 12:26.26 | gre | hell* |
| 12:26.28 | gnarface | sontek: it shares about as much in common with slackware as any distro |
| 12:26.35 | MAZ | and i don't find a package version greater than 1.2.4 |
| 12:26.35 | gre | this is my question boudiccas lol |
| 12:26.46 | themill | MAZ: no package designed for squeeze will have the dependency you describe |
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| 12:27.09 | gre | grub2 is a big shit :/ |
| 12:27.10 | sontek | gnarface: the point was slackware using the same inittab and thats where SUSE got it, not from RedHat |
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| 12:27.25 | MAZ | themill, What do you mean ? |
| 12:27.36 | themill | MAZ: where is this package from? |
| 12:27.46 | MAZ | I want to install mediaproxy and it depends on python-application |
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| 12:28.21 | themill | MAZ: and where is this mediaproxy package from? |
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| 12:28.35 | daniel-s_ | Oracle doesn't publish explinations of security fixes to Mysql? |
| 12:28.37 | MAZ | I get ths source of this package, build it, and hence obtained a deb package |
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| 12:28.38 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.54 | themill | MAZ: the deb you have made is not designed for squeeze |
| 12:29.12 | themill | daniel-s_: no, that would be too hard for their poor little brains. Another reason to love both Oracle and MySQL. |
| 12:29.25 | daniel-s_ | why? |
| 12:29.33 | MAZ | themill, but it is a deb packge |
| 12:29.46 | daniel-s_ | I just apt-get updated and got the update notes for mysql |
| 12:29.47 | MAZ | so i can install it in my squeeze |
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| 12:30.09 | themill | MAZ: No, it's designed for either ubuntu or wheezy by the sounds of it. just because it's a .deb doesn't mean it's designed for squeeze. |
| 12:30.10 | MAZ | but he doesn't find this dependency |
| 12:30.19 | themill | yeah, we've covered that |
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| 12:30.55 | themill | daniel-s_: please express your displeasure to Oracle. The more people who cluebat them the better... this is the second time they've done this in the last couple of months |
| 12:31.21 | MAZ | themill, So, I must rebuild an other package of mediaproxy with source corresponding to the squeeze distrib ? |
| 12:31.40 | daniel-s_ | so, what exactly happens, they release an update, don't say why, then leave it for anyone else to try to figure out? |
| 12:31.47 | themill | daniel-s_: yep |
| 12:32.08 | MAZ | I mean which depends on an "python-application" version less than 1.2.8 ? |
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| 12:32.23 | themill | depends on why it has that dependency |
| 12:32.31 | superlinux-hp | hi. what is stopping debian from adding ActiveTCL in the debian repositories? |
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| 12:32.51 | themill | MAZ: if it needs a newer version of the module, then you can't "just rebuild it". |
| 12:32.52 | superlinux-hp | there is a linux version of it |
| 12:33.35 | MAZ | themill, ?? |
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| 12:33.58 | thewanderer1 | superlinux-hp, maybe nobody has packaged it? perhaps there is nothing "stopping" Debian, it can be a matter of not "starting" doing it |
| 12:34.09 | superlinux-hp | ah ok |
| 12:34.12 | MAZ | in the control file it depends on version 1.2.8 |
| 12:34.24 | themill | MAZ: that doesn't say why |
| 12:34.25 | MAZ | od python-application package |
| 12:34.30 | superlinux-hp | there is TCL in the repos, but Active gives you more support |
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| 12:34.48 | superlinux-hp | Active is Activestate.com |
| 12:35.11 | superlinux-hp | everything is documented and there are libraries |
| 12:35.26 | superlinux-hp | and readily made commands |
| 12:35.55 | MAZ | themill, Sorry but I can't see why I can rebuild it when it show dependency of 1.2.8 |
| 12:36.28 | thewanderer1 | superlinux-hp, and it's not free software :P |
| 12:36.33 | MAZ | I will have the same deb package that I got before |
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| 12:37.01 | themill | MAZ: sure. As I said, you probably can't just rebuild it if that dependency is declared, but I have no way of knowing why that dependency is ther |
| 12:37.02 | themill | e |
| 12:38.13 | MAZ | themill, ok, I will delete this dependency and rebuild the package |
| 12:38.29 | themill | the chances of the application working are low.... |
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| 12:38.46 | themill | wonders how many other ways he can say the same thing |
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| 12:39.03 | LaptopBrain | hi, having problems upgrading mysql to patch security hole. |
| 12:40.05 | LaptopBrain | going to put it on pastebin in a sec |
| 12:40.24 | sunrai | use a spam free one pls |
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| 12:41.00 | LaptopBrain | http://nopaste.snit.ch/144450 |
| 12:41.18 | LaptopBrain | i assume this is quite a common thing, seems broken to me :/ |
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| 12:42.04 | LaptopBrain | hmmm i think i missed something obvious |
| 12:42.05 | LaptopBrain | brbb |
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| 12:42.35 | DotHack | LaptopBrain: show us some output of /var/log/daemon.log mysql isnt able to shut down |
| 12:42.41 | LaptopBrain | ok |
| 12:42.54 | DotHack | LaptopBrain: probably your debian-maint user password is wrong? |
| 12:43.32 | gnarface | LaptopBrain: uh... stop your currently running version first. the pasted output seems to make that pretty clear to me... |
| 12:44.03 | LaptopBrain | http://nopaste.snit.ch/144452 |
| 12:44.08 | LaptopBrain | i did stop it |
| 12:44.17 | LaptopBrain | and then i tried restarting it, it wont start any more. |
| 12:44.26 | LaptopBrain | you can see my attempts in that log |
| 12:44.37 | themill | Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' |
| 12:45.16 | LaptopBrain | i also get this when attempting to do standard apt-get upgrade... ok to do a 2 line paste here? |
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| 12:45.53 | LaptopBrain | i dont have that user, themill |
| 12:45.57 | LaptopBrain | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 12:45.58 | LaptopBrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.02 | LaptopBrain | i mean wtf :/ |
| 12:46.16 | themill | LaptopBrain: why don't you have that user in your database? |
| 12:46.50 | LaptopBrain | i never have had it |
| 12:46.56 | LaptopBrain | my databases are from my previous non-deb system |
| 12:47.12 | themill | ahh... so this problem has existed for a very long time |
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| 12:49.56 | LaptopBrain | themill: dont know, its a new debian install |
| 12:49.58 | LaptopBrain | i guess so |
| 12:50.14 | LaptopBrain | i think i overwrote the users when i imported my databases, not realising debian has some special admin user |
| 12:50.22 | themill | yeah |
| 12:50.29 | LaptopBrain | ive found the credentials for it in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and im resetting it |
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| 12:50.40 | LaptopBrain | seems to have worked. |
| 12:50.45 | LaptopBrain | thanks for the hints :) |
| 12:50.48 | themill | running "/var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.1.postinst configure" might be enough |
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| 12:51.54 | pfote | wonder where that 5.1.61 comes from .. squeeze-backports? |
| 12:51.59 | LaptopBrain | i take it everyone here has heard of the mysql hole then? |
| 12:52.08 | June19th | no? |
| 12:52.12 | pfote | sure |
| 12:52.17 | LaptopBrain | aka "doesnt matter if you dont know the password. just ask me enough times and i'll let you in" bug |
| 12:52.23 | themill | ,v mysql-server-core-5.1 --release squeeze-security |
| 12:52.24 | judd | Package: mysql-server-core-5.1 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.63-0+squeeze1 |
| 12:52.28 | themill | pfote: ^^ |
| 12:52.36 | LaptopBrain | basically if you get an incorrect password June19th just hit the server 300 times, one of the tries might let you in |
| 12:52.47 | June19th | lol |
| 12:53.51 | __gilles | :) |
| 12:53.59 | LaptopBrain | basically 1 in 256 chance that invalid password response becomes 'oh hello thar' |
| 12:54.14 | LaptopBrain | for any user |
| 12:54.17 | pfote | it's not THAT easy |
| 12:54.28 | LaptopBrain | seemed that way, if youre on linux with sse-enabled libc |
| 12:54.54 | pfote | only binaries with some special compiler flags set are affected |
| 12:55.02 | June19th | ok |
| 12:55.04 | LaptopBrain | what shocked me though is that oracle kept the details quiet till right at the last moment, rather than when the patch was available |
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| 12:55.19 | pfote | wait, i'll get the link again, before rumours are spread :-) |
| 12:55.26 | June19th | LaptopBrain: that suprised you? =D |
| 12:55.32 | June19th | pfote: thanks |
| 12:55.33 | LaptopBrain | pfote: i understood that it was affected if you had specific compiler flags in your libc, as it was an assumption on how they used memcmp |
| 12:55.50 | pfote | there you go: https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2012/06/11/cve-2012-2122-a-tragically-comedic-security-flaw-in-mysql |
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| 12:56.01 | June19th | thanks |
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| 12:56.34 | June19th | really |
| 12:56.38 | June19th | thats just horrible code |
| 12:56.46 | pfote | full ack |
| 12:57.11 | June19th | it might need some compiler flags etc but its really more serious than that |
| 12:57.17 | June19th | iw onder what more they have made stupid |
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| 12:57.46 | LaptopBrain | i bet a lot of gentoo users get stung by this one |
| 12:58.06 | LaptopBrain | as they build from source, are less likely to update as often and are likely to turn on optimization specific flag |
| 12:58.08 | LaptopBrain | flags* |
| 12:58.31 | pfote | mysql is full of hacks and clutches and workarounds .. there is more, i'm sure. maybe this helps some ppl to make up their minds and switch to postgres :-) |
| 12:59.47 | NiLon | LaptopBrain many gentoo users update in fast pace (reason they are using gentoo in first place) |
| 12:59.58 | June19th | pfote: i already drew the same conclussions but not from reading the code but using the shit for some projects. |
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| 13:00.16 | June19th | pfote: one can tell from its sql performance that its a hack |
| 13:00.22 | June19th | or one could tell :) |
| 13:00.28 | LaptopBrain | NiLon: that didnt always happen in my experience, as when i used it, updating was such a long winded chore that i did it less often |
| 13:00.31 | LaptopBrain | then when i came to do it, i was way behind |
| 13:01.11 | June19th | pfote: but speaking about postgres. whats the best ui for coding in postgres? in case you have experience :) |
| 13:01.12 | NiLon | LaptopBrain yeah well, that's maybe sign for that you should not be using gentoo :P |
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| 13:01.39 | June19th | (i started messing around with postgres under linux just some days ago, using pgadmin) |
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| 13:01.49 | morteza_ipo | hi |
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| 13:02.03 | mulenmar | " The major exception is when GCC uses SSE optimization" -- and who DOESN'T compile with SSE? |
| 13:02.12 | LaptopBrain | NiLon: yeah, i lost patience with it years ago. |
| 13:02.23 | June19th | why would you assume GCC in the first place? |
| 13:02.30 | June19th | does it compile correctly with vc++ ? |
| 13:02.33 | pfote | June19th: gui, hrm .. pgadmin3 probably, or navicat if you spend some bucks. i'm usually the shell type of guy, only using gui when doing ERMs |
| 13:02.41 | LaptopBrain | if it wasnt for the fact that customers require mysql, i'd take the plunge into postgres only |
| 13:03.05 | mulenmar | June19th: Check the "Exploitability" section, first paragraph. |
| 13:03.10 | June19th | pfote: ok ill stick to pgadmin then. console for sql? thats nasty ;) |
| 13:03.24 | Almtesh | Hi! |
| 13:03.32 | LaptopBrain | heh |
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| 13:03.39 | Almtesh | Anyone know how to grow a file in ext4 ? |
| 13:03.42 | LaptopBrain | to be honest my favourite database is mssql. |
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| 13:03.46 | June19th | mulenmar: couldnt find anythoing about vc++ |
| 13:03.47 | lolol3 | http://cur.lv/st0 help please, paste here |
| 13:03.51 | abrotman | Almtesh: put more stuff in it ? |
| 13:04.02 | Almtesh | abrotman, no, just grow it. |
| 13:04.04 | abrotman | lolol3: help with what? |
| 13:04.06 | LaptopBrain | there are no open source databases that have gui tools coming anywhere close as sql enterprise manager |
| 13:04.19 | mulenmar | June19th: I was answering your question about "why would you assume GCC in the first place?" |
| 13:04.20 | abrotman | LaptopBrain: and back to Debian ? |
| 13:04.26 | LaptopBrain | (thats a shame too... whats with tht joke of an app called mysql admin) |
| 13:04.29 | abrotman | LaptopBrain: try #debian-offtopic if you want to keep ranting |
| 13:04.41 | LaptopBrain | oooh, theres an offtopic? :D |
| 13:04.44 | June19th | mulenmar: yes. iam still curious why it was assumed to be compiled under gcc. |
| 13:04.59 | morteza_ipo | I wanna to connect to svn.debian , but I can't. that need RSA? |
| 13:05.15 | abrotman | lolol3: Are you going to describe your problem ? |
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| 13:05.26 | June19th | (what about clang or vc++) |
| 13:05.28 | lolol3 | http://cur.lv/st0 help please, paste here |
| 13:05.31 | Adya | Hi |
| 13:05.31 | mulenmar | Earlier in the article, it says that the problem only occurs on some platforms. GCC is part of the platform, if I understand my basic programming correctly. |
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| 13:05.49 | abrotman | lolol3: next time, descripbe your problem .. bye |
| 13:06.21 | pfote | uff .. a k-line? |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | not from me .. but he was spamming |
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| 13:07.00 | June19th | mulenmar: no it doesnt really say anyhting about anything else than gcc. they say its usually return a 8 bit signed integer but it doesnt say what "usually is". since they make no explicit statements one can only be sure its valid for gcc (but might be valid for other compilers aswell) |
| 13:07.15 | pfote | abrotman: k, tnx |
| 13:07.34 | marienz | (he was mentioning that url in several channels, and didn't seem interesting in talking about anything else or answering questions) |
| 13:07.37 | LaptopBrain | mulenmar: in short, it affects .... debian |
| 13:07.39 | LaptopBrain | :) |
| 13:07.41 | marienz | err, interest*ed* |
| 13:07.56 | June19th | mulenmar: and since its not valid C/C++ to assume its 8 bit I would expect more compilers to return prety much anything ;) |
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| 13:08.47 | pfote | marienz: i see .. was just suprised someone set a k line, thats a heavy club used by ircops only usually |
| 13:09.02 | abrotman | for spammers ... |
| 13:09.24 | pfote | abrotman: yeah, thats why i said "tnx" :-) |
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| 13:10.40 | cache_za_ | anyone here familiar with ath5k and debian squeeze ? |
| 13:10.59 | mulenmar | has a name for a new mace in his game project now -- K-line as a heavy club sounds awesome |
| 13:11.11 | abrotman | cache_za_: ask a real question |
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| 13:13.39 | Adya | What about wvdial for arm debian? |
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| 13:16.06 | abrotman | what about it ? |
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| 13:17.51 | csioktel | anyone know, how to use custom dns server with chromium? chromium version: "20.0.1132.27 Debian wheezy/sid (140692)" |
| 13:18.23 | petemc | csioktel: with only chromium? not system wide? |
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| 13:18.39 | csioktel | petemc: yes, only chromium |
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| 13:18.49 | csioktel | not /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:19.21 | csioktel | can i set any $ENV value to change it? |
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| 13:21.27 | dkr | csioktel: you could configure it you use a proxy, and that proxy can have its own dns server. as far as I know chromium use the systems dns resolver libs, so no way to change just for a particular process making those library calls |
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| 13:22.55 | stew | dkr: sure there is, but likely much more involved than he is going to do |
| 13:22.56 | dkr | ldd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser|grep resolv shows libresolv.so.2 => /lib/i686/cmov/libresolv.so.2 (0xb3378000) |
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| 13:23.53 | dkr | true, you can always hack the source code. :) |
| 13:23.58 | csioktel | dkr: yes, i already use a proxy, but when i use "dns prefetch" it use system dns server again. |
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| 13:24.03 | stew | dkr: no, i'm thinking of LD_PRELOAD |
| 13:24.24 | dkr | csioktel: ah |
| 13:24.29 | colo-work | can anyone please tell me the factoid's trigger for the excellent "create your own backport"-howto off of dpkg? |
| 13:24.54 | stew | colo-work: ssb |
| 13:24.59 | dkr | stew: I meant: you can always hack the source code, *too* ;) |
| 13:25.08 | stew | right :) |
| 13:25.10 | nevyn | colo-work: listkeys backport |
| 13:25.25 | nevyn | !listkeys backport |
| 13:25.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'backport' by key (14 of 44): #debian backport ;; #debian backports ;; #debian backports.org ;; #debian simple sid backport ;; _default backport ;; backports.debian.org contents ;; backports.debian.org lenny ;; backports.debian.org mirrors ;; backports.org ;; backports.org mirrors ;; debian backports ;; debian-backports ;; lenny backports ;; lenny-backports. |
| 13:25.43 | nevyn | !simple sid backport |
| 13:25.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 13:28.15 | colo-work | stew, nevyn: thanks a bunch! |
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| 13:29.55 | nevyn | was going with the teach to fish rather than give a fish... |
| 13:29.59 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 13:47.18 | MaXim_ | lol |
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| 13:49.32 | MaXim_ | because glibc uses vector maths all day long |
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| 13:50.48 | belak | Are there any simple guides to setting up a mail server? I'd like to have ssl... and possibly imap... other than that, it doesn't really matter |
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| 13:52.01 | MaXim_ | http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo |
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| 13:53.05 | raven737 | Hi, quick question: I have an old ProLiant DL360 G5 with an cciss raid controller. Does anyone know of a cli tool for this controller under lenny? TIA |
| 13:53.31 | dvs | !lenny |
| 13:53.32 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 13:54.18 | raven737 | yes, i'm trying to upgrade it, but for that i first need to know how it is set up without rebooting, hence the need for something like a cli tool for it |
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| 13:55.01 | pfrost_ | what's a good way to get a list of kernel versions available in squeeze-backports? It's looking to me that there are kernel-image-2.6 packages, but these depend on 3.2 kernels, and between the 7 flavors of kernels for 20 different archs, any searching i'm doing on packages.debian.org has a message that says "Your keyword was too generic, for optimizing reasons some results might have been suppressed". |
| 13:55.14 | MaXim_ | ACU-CLI? |
| 13:56.02 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
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| 13:56.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 13:56.09 | dvs | ah, beat me to it |
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| 13:56.23 | pfrost_ | or say i wanted a 3.2 kernel, is there no kernel-image-3.2-amd64? |
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| 13:57.19 | raven737 | MaXim_: yes, that, thank you. Did not know it existed. Thanks! |
| 13:57.26 | MaXim_ | i didnt either |
| 13:57.29 | dvs | pfrost_: it's called linux-image-amd64 now |
| 13:57.30 | MaXim_ | I googled it :p |
| 13:57.59 | pfrost_ | dvs: ah, thanks. |
| 13:58.07 | dvs | np |
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| 13:59.38 | MaXim_ | belak: try dovecot? |
| 13:59.44 | MaXim_ | never given me trouble |
| 14:00.18 | belak | MaXim_: I'm looking into dovecot + exim4 right now... postfix and courier both hate me |
| 14:00.45 | MaXim_ | i use dovecot and sendmail |
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| 14:00.55 | MaXim_ | but sendmail.cf is like going to hell and back |
| 14:01.00 | belak | Heh, yeah |
| 14:01.12 | MaXim_ | sweet once its up and running tho |
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| 14:20.02 | bardzusny | `inline-block |
| 14:20.05 | bardzusny | oops |
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| 14:22.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | anyone know why this would happen? I have a linux box with 2 NICs (VM) 10.5.1.251 and 10.5.1.252... I only had one of the NICs enabled last night, because 10.5.1.251 is assigned to the gateway for the internet / eventually it'll change... I had the interface powered off in ESXi as well in the linux guest (ifdown eth0)..... at 3:45 AM this morning, the machine decided to say FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU and start pushing out 10.5.1.251 traffic over eth1 with n |
| 14:23.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | it's debian btw. |
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| 14:25.31 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: Check all the logs and dmesg? |
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| 14:26.12 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: yep :-\ nothing out of the blue |
| 14:26.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | eth0's IP decided to use eth1 and attach itself |
| 14:26.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | so it turned out one MAC with 1 IPs... one IP being the gateway to the internet |
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| 14:28.13 | aubreyr | does a preceding = mean anything special to a shell argument or path? |
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| 14:29.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | has anyone ever heard of that happening? |
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| 14:29.30 | TehRabbitt-Work | if I have an IP statically assigned to eth0 |
| 14:29.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | it somehow becomes active on eth1 even though eth1 already has an IP assigned? |
| 14:29.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | could iptables do that? |
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| 14:30.28 | karlpinc | !70 |
| 14:30.28 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 14:30.54 | jordanm | TehRabbitt-Work: routing tables |
| 14:30.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | Hm |
| 14:31.03 | jordanm | both of your NICs are on the same network |
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| 14:31.10 | rumbert | Yes, that caused me big grief. Somehow it decided my ethernet should be eth1 and i couldn't figure out why for a long time. |
| 14:31.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | jordanm: Yes... but one of the NICS was physically disabled |
| 14:31.16 | karlpinc | jordanm: That sounds right. |
| 14:31.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | aka interface was shut off in esxi (disconnected cable basically) |
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| 14:31.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | but for whatever reason it decided "okay lets just use the other interface and put both IPs over it!" |
| 14:32.05 | TehRabbitt-Work | basically unintentional fail-over |
| 14:32.55 | jordanm | TehRabbitt-Work: your routing table would contain an entry saying that it can use eth1 to get to that network |
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| 14:33.08 | Niki90 | can i find girls with big boobies here? |
| 14:33.16 | dvs | see ya |
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| 14:33.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | jordanm: hm how could I check that |
| 14:33.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | route just has one route |
| 14:33.58 | steampunkey | can someone help me set up fan control? it used to be able to spin faster, but i can't get it to see temperature these days. i ran pwmconfig, and produced this file: http://paste.debian.net/plain/175290 but it's still overheating |
| 14:34.11 | jordanm | TehRabbitt-Work: netstat -rn |
| 14:34.12 | TehRabbitt-Work | 10.5.1.0, Gateway: *, netmask /24, Flags U, Iface eth1 |
| 14:34.24 | jordanm | TehRabbitt-Work: there you go |
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| 14:34.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | Ah |
| 14:34.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | .thx |
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| 14:36.40 | steampunkey | anyone else had fan troubles perhaps? |
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| 14:37.32 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: fan control is pretty much unique to each different model of PC, laptops especially. |
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| 14:38.02 | homes | shame we can't just fucking standardize |
| 14:38.12 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: Each manufacturer implements the APCI standards differently, and they are often different from model to model. |
| 14:38.17 | homes | it's not that hard, and i bet it would net savings |
| 14:38.40 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: how do i know what X and Y i need for hwmonX/device/tempY_input? |
| 14:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | The problem is they take shortcuts, then they distribute their own little control programs, so there's no standard they need to meet. |
| 14:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: You research your specific model and hope someone else figured it out. |
| 14:39.40 | steampunkey | :-) ok |
| 14:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: That or you get the specs from the manufacturer. |
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| 14:40.28 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: i'm not really sure what X or Y are, so can't associate them to any specs |
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| 14:44.55 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: i just realised `sensors` give me temperature, and temp3 does read something, however, the fan spins at a constant speed (i doubt it's max. speed) |
| 14:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: I used the cpufreq daemons on one of my laptops to reduce the thermal load. |
| 14:46.11 | Boom_Farmer | The installer froze. What should I do? I booted an i386 netinst image off of a 4GB Lexar stick onto an EEEpc 701 series 4G Surf. Pressed "Enter" on "Install" at the installer boot menu, now it's unresponsive. |
| 14:47.26 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: you set up a daemon to control your fan according to the frequency? |
| 14:47.48 | steampunkey | i don't know how to manually control fan speed |
| 14:47.57 | nkuttler | fancontrol? |
| 14:48.20 | steampunkey | is that a question? |
| 14:48.32 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: cpufreq |
| 14:49.06 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: They change from release to release, development for laptops and other portables is pretty active. |
| 14:49.15 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: cpufreq-aperf cpufreq-info cpufreq-set ? |
| 14:49.50 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: i really don't know what you did |
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| 14:50.08 | steampunkey | all i know is that cpufreq-info tells me whether the CPU is running full-speed |
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| 14:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: Read the docs. You can set various profiles that affect how the cpu clock is regulated. |
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| 14:53.01 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: What I did on Mandriva four years ago wouldn't be much use to you even if I remembered everything. |
| 14:53.24 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: i noticed you can regulate frequency via cpufreq-set, but i want to spin the fan faster :-/ |
| 14:53.33 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: Again, you're going to get farther searching forums and online resources than asking here, where finding somebody else with the same hardware is unlikely. |
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| 14:54.46 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: An alternative is to clock the CPU lower for normal duty so it doesn't make as much heat, but researching fancontrol for your specific model is probably a better idea. |
| 14:54.56 | jhutchins_lt | steampunkey: Have you looked to see if there's a fancontrol package? |
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| 14:56.27 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: afaik, it's for automatic management. calling fancontroll prints the config generated by pwmconfigure |
| 14:56.36 | steampunkey | *pwmconfig |
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| 14:57.10 | steampunkey | well, interprets it i guess |
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| 14:58.36 | jubo2 | I'm using Squeeze KDE and _still unable_ to install touchpad driver so it thinks it is a mouse on washing powder and crack and I've stuff to write. The minimum I need is that when kbrd is in use the whole touchpad is disabled for the duration of typing |
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| 14:59.25 | jubo2 | I'd be such a happy camper if I could have touchpad driver. It says "Touchpad driver too old or doesn't exist" or similar in Finnish |
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| 15:01.17 | Boom_Farmer | jubo2: As a workaround, cover your touchpad with a nonconductive material? |
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| 15:02.05 | jubo2 | but i need to make copy-pasta |
| 15:02.16 | jubo2 | occasionally |
| 15:02.38 | Boom_Farmer | So use your trackpad normally, and alter your typing hand positions to avoid the touchpad? |
| 15:02.51 | jubo2 | I had all the proper algos with Win 7, Xubuntu and Kubuntu |
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| 15:03.06 | jubo2 | but I want it to work on debian gnu/linukka |
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| 15:03.08 | Boom_Farmer | Or use arrow keys and shift keys to select the things you're copy-pasta-making. |
| 15:03.25 | Boom_Farmer | is not being very helpful, sorry. |
| 15:03.32 | jubo2 | Boom_Farmer: hackky feeble workaround dude |
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| 15:04.56 | iwkse | Hi, i'm trying to mount an external usb hd but i get, GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut, any hint? |
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| 15:05.11 | stew | jubo2: where do you see "Touchpad driver too old"? |
| 15:05.18 | stew | jubo2: synclient doesn't work for you? |
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| 15:06.12 | jubo2 | stew: synclient and syndaemon neither work |
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| 15:06.41 | steampunkey | thx... |
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| 15:07.01 | untrusted | terminal bell doesn't work in X anymore after recent update - any hints? |
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| 15:33.17 | Jareth3d | How I can add French support to apache2 (é à etc...) |
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| 15:37.46 | nkuttler | Jareth3d: um, what? |
| 15:38.30 | Jareth3d | I try to make my apache2 support ISO-8859-1 |
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| 15:38.56 | javiii | hello. I have Debian testing with xfce, how can I set adwita or other cursors for all? It uses the x mouse in the most applications |
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| 15:40.08 | nkuttler | Jareth3d: what does that mean? support how? |
| 15:40.15 | WordpressNoob | i updated debian lenny to squeeze. get to login prompt, login, and then i get a gray background and nothing happens |
| 15:40.16 | WordpressNoob | any ideas? |
| 15:41.00 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: i'd guess your DE is broken, try a different WM/DE |
| 15:41.17 | Jareth3d | well, actually my apache2 run as unicode utf-8, so Can't display "Acent" coreclly ( é |
| 15:41.27 | Jareth3d | é à ç etc.. |
| 15:41.29 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, could you point me in the right direction on how to go about that |
| 15:41.33 | nkuttler | Jareth3d: display *where*? |
| 15:41.47 | Jareth3d | any web site I run |
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| 15:41.57 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: well in the login screen you should have a dropdown with choices |
| 15:42.00 | nkuttler | Jareth3d: #html |
| 15:42.14 | stew | Jareth3d: is something generating the content? or is it serviing static html files? |
| 15:42.20 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, i did not notice that. i will check |
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| 15:43.12 | stew | Jareth3d: does the html have "<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"/>" in the <head>? |
| 15:43.15 | javiii | Pulseaudio dont work in Debian testing, can someone help me? |
| 15:43.26 | nkuttler | javiii: welcome to testing |
| 15:43.36 | nkuttler | !tell javiii about bts |
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| 15:43.50 | stew | javiii: does /etc/asound.conf exist? |
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| 15:44.26 | javiii | stew : no |
| 15:44.34 | stew | ok |
| 15:45.07 | stew | javiii: you've checked the bts? you should read "/msg dpkg doesn't work" |
| 15:46.20 | javiii | I dont know how to use it :S |
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| 15:46.45 | stew | ask better questions |
| 15:46.52 | untrusted | hmm xkbbell -force works - but terminal bell doesn't |
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| 15:50.44 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, is there any way to log out of this gray screen without restarting |
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| 15:51.48 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: did you try a right click? |
| 15:52.14 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: ctrl-alt-f1, login, /etc/init.d/gdm stop, assuming you use gdm |
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| 15:57.23 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, no dice on right clic |
| 15:57.27 | WordpressNoob | can i just ssh in and do that? |
| 15:57.38 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: sure |
| 15:57.53 | WordpressNoob | then restart it? |
| 15:58.19 | mulenmar | So, asked some hours ago, but wasn't answered: icewm-themes has a theme with a couple image from a site that states, "Reproduction and copying forbidden", and sever themes containing registered trademarks. |
| 15:58.34 | mulenmar | I know the first one is definitely a DFSG violation, but what about the second one? |
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| 16:02.03 | jordanm | !tell mulenmar about iceweasel |
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| 16:02.43 | themill | mulenmar: which image and which site? |
| 16:02.55 | tremon | jordanm: just in case, icewm != iceweasel |
| 16:03.16 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, started it again. no dice in login. i don't see anywhere to switch the desktops? |
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| 16:03.36 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: oh well i though gdm and kdm do that |
| 16:03.46 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: what are you using anyway? gnome, kde, ... |
| 16:04.15 | WordpressNoob | i believe gnome but i am not 100% sure |
| 16:04.34 | WordpressNoob | i assume so since gdm was what i stopped and started |
| 16:04.56 | stew | mulenmar: unless you are the trademark owner and you think that debian is infringing on your trademark, we are not going to investigate it |
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| 16:05.37 | stew | mulenmar: if you think there is a copyright violation, that we will certainly look into, but please actually provide specifics |
| 16:05.46 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: well as a last resort you can always move ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf* to a backup location and start with a fresh config |
| 16:05.56 | nkuttler | or does gnome use ~/.config now? |
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| 16:06.19 | mulenmar | The theme with the nonfree image is urbicandre, the site is |
| 16:06.34 | nkuttler | mulenmar: you should prbably write a bug report and let the developer sort it out |
| 16:06.35 | mulenmar | http://www.urbicande.be. |
| 16:07.02 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, how can i check? |
| 16:07.26 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: by trying what i said? |
| 16:07.43 | WordpressNoob | sorry i meant '[12:05] <nkuttler> or does gnome use ~/.config now?' |
| 16:07.46 | stew | mulenmar: i don't find any files with the name "urbicandre" nor any files containing that word |
| 16:07.53 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: yes |
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| 16:07.57 | stew | mulenmar: can you point me more specifically to where in the source I might find this? |
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| 16:08.13 | mulenmar | The other themes that have trademark violations are aquablue, jim-mac, slashdot, Slashdot, yamm (I think, it's Mozilla after all), fake95, GlamICE, and sortofaqua |
| 16:08.54 | stew | mulenmar: do you own any of these trademarks? |
| 16:09.27 | themill | stew: icewm-themes-1.2.26/Urbicande/urbicande-back.jpg I assume. I don't know where it is on that page and where its redistribution rights would be. That source package is ugly. |
| 16:09.53 | mulenmar | stew: It's the Urbicande theme in icewm-themes. |
| 16:10.20 | mulenmar | themill: You're telling me! I spent two months just analyzing and organizing all of those themes! |
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| 16:12.21 | mulenmar | stew: No, of course I don't. Apple and Microsoft do. |
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| 16:12.40 | mulenmar | I'm working on replacing the images that have the actual trademarks. |
| 16:12.42 | debbdeb | hello. I have debian testing without sound, how can I fix it? I installed pulseaudio but i didnt work |
| 16:12.46 | stew | mulenmar: then we will wait for them to contact us and evaluate then whether or not we are actually violating their trademarks |
| 16:12.47 | dave1701 | I installed debian |
| 16:12.54 | dave1701 | But I need some help |
| 16:13.30 | dave1701 | I told it to skip network setup in the installation gui |
| 16:13.45 | dave1701 | And now it won't go on the network |
| 16:14.14 | mulenmar | dave1701: Is the network device listed in the output of lspci? |
| 16:14.15 | format_c | dave1701, Have you read the release notes/installation instructions before? |
| 16:14.16 | dave1701 | I can't find the gui network setup thingy |
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| 16:14.49 | mulenmar | Oh, you're still in the setup program? |
| 16:15.06 | dave1701 | No |
| 16:15.14 | dave1701 | I am at the desktop |
| 16:15.32 | dave1701 | I tried |
| 16:15.42 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 16:15.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:15.56 | debbdeb | please help, I have not audio on testing |
| 16:16.05 | dave1701 | But I thought I could get by using gui |
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| 16:17.09 | dave1701 | What do I do to do an ipconfig |
| 16:17.35 | dave1701 | Oh great |
| 16:17.47 | mulenmar | Can't recall how to do it in the desktop, I always do it in a terminal. gnome-terminal, or whatever your desktop's terminal is. |
| 16:17.48 | dave1701 | It doesn't have an IP address |
| 16:17.59 | mulenmar | sudo dhclient eth0 |
| 16:18.16 | dave1701 | My other computers get an IP fine |
| 16:18.21 | dave1701 | Hmm |
| 16:18.26 | dave1701 | Ohhhhh |
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| 16:18.40 | mulenmar | You didn't tell the setup to skip network setup on the other computers, I'm guessing? |
| 16:18.41 | dave1701 | Maybe it is set to a static from install? |
| 16:18.59 | dave1701 | You don't need to setup anything on Windows |
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| 16:19.23 | mulenmar | It sets up automatically by default. You told it not to. ;) |
| 16:19.25 | format_c | dave1701, have you been asked to provide a drive for installing firmware files just before the network setup? |
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| 16:19.41 | dave1701 | Yes I believe so |
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| 16:19.58 | dave1701 | So what do I do |
| 16:20.05 | mulenmar | "(12:13:26 PM) dave1701: I told it to skip network setup in the installation gui" <-- because it asked for firmware? |
| 16:20.40 | dave1701 | No It said the network didn't have dhcp enabled and stuff |
| 16:20.44 | dave1701 | And to said skip |
| 16:20.57 | dave1701 | Because itnwasnt plugged in |
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| 16:21.29 | wunz | hi, i've installed the 'libmono2.0-cil' package for debian; however, when i run my tool, it still gives me: error while loading shared libraries: libmono-2.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:21.31 | mulenmar | That explains it. It normally configures that automatically, if the driver is available and the cable is plugged in. |
| 16:21.44 | debbdeb | please help :S, I dont have audio on debian wheezy |
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| 16:22.11 | dave1701 | How do I do an Ipconfig/release renew |
| 16:22.17 | echo083 | how to list packages containing a file |
| 16:22.37 | echo083 | how to list package containing *gtkrc* for example |
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| 16:23.19 | echo083 | dave1701, ifup ifdown |
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| 16:23.37 | echo083 | dave1701, man ifup |
| 16:23.41 | mulenmar | debbdeb: Is your audio device listed in lspci? |
| 16:23.42 | echo083 | dave1701, man ifdown |
| 16:24.00 | dave1701 | Ok |
| 16:24.12 | debbdeb | mulenmar : yes |
| 16:24.34 | debbdeb | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 16:24.40 | tremon | !tell debbdeb about alsa checklist |
| 16:25.14 | format_c | dave1701, Look: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation |
| 16:25.17 | debbdeb | but I have pulseaudio installed |
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| 16:25.46 | karlpinc | !tell echo083 about apt-file |
| 16:25.59 | echo083 | karlpinc, too late i just found it lol |
| 16:26.01 | karlpinc | echo083: Or, dpkg -S if the package is installed. |
| 16:26.07 | mulenmar | dave1701: http://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Client; I think dhcp-client is on the CD. |
| 16:26.10 | echo083 | karlpinc, dpkg -S i knew it |
| 16:26.16 | format_c | dave1701, you'd better off burning your netinst CD from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 16:26.28 | echo083 | karlpinc, thanks anyway ;) |
| 16:26.29 | format_c | Then the autoconfiguration should work out as expected. |
| 16:26.34 | dave1701 | I am confused |
| 16:27.00 | format_c | Describe why? |
| 16:27.21 | karlpinc | !tell dave1701 about firmware |
| 16:27.22 | mulenmar | debbdeb: Pulseaudio is an audio server; programs send sound to it, it mixes it and sends it to ALSA. If ALSA's not working, Pulseaudio can't output anything. |
| 16:27.53 | dave1701 | Why didn't this come with the os |
| 16:28.02 | mulenmar | debbdeb: Quick check to see if ALSA itself is outputting sound correctly: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
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| 16:28.30 | karlpinc | dave1701: Did you read the <firmware> factoid? |
| 16:28.41 | format_c | because of latest development of the Linux Kernel and the handling of closed source drivers not violating the GPL |
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| 16:29.04 | debbdeb | mulenmar: ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Conexión negada |
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| 16:31.03 | dave1701^ | ok my browser crashed |
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| 16:31.10 | dave1701^ | now Im on my desktop |
| 16:31.23 | dave1701^ | what do I do to make networking work? |
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| 16:31.31 | karlpinc | dave1701: The same reason why, e.g., adobe flash does not come with the os. It's closed-source. So, we provided facilities to install it but it is not part of the os. |
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| 16:31.43 | mulenmar | debbdeb: Odd. Was pretty sure aplay bypassed that. mplayer -ao alsa /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav play anything? That specifiically tells mplayer to use alsa directly. |
| 16:31.44 | dave1701^ | ok |
| 16:31.48 | dave1701^ | so what do I do? |
| 16:32.09 | mulenmar | debbdeb: If it's Pulseaudio itself, I can't help, except to suggest trying to remove it. |
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| 16:32.29 | karlpinc | dave1701^: So, you're installed and have no network. It's not configured at all? |
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| 16:32.36 | dave1701^ | I dont think so |
| 16:32.50 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Wireless? |
| 16:32.52 | debbdeb | mulenmar : I am going to remove and reboot and then I will came back here |
| 16:32.55 | dave1701^ | no ethernet |
| 16:33.03 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Ok. Ethernet is easy. |
| 16:33.20 | mulenmar | dave1701^: Did you try plugging in the ethernet cable and run the dhclient command I suggested? |
| 16:33.28 | dave1701^ | what command? |
| 16:33.33 | mulenmar | sudo dhclient eth0 |
| 16:33.39 | dave1701^ | I will try now |
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| 16:33.44 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Just for grins, let's start at the beginning and see if you need non-free firmware to run. (or try the dhclient command.) |
| 16:34.01 | mulenmar | If the driver is working, and your network has dhcp enabled (it probably does), that'll get you connected for now. |
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| 16:35.06 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Do you have access to your debian box and irc at the same time? |
| 16:35.20 | dave1701^ | yes |
| 16:35.29 | dave1701^ | the command did not work |
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| 16:35.56 | format_c | dave1701^ already mentioned, that he has been asked to define the location for the drive containing firmware for the networking device. |
| 16:35.57 | tremon | !not work |
| 16:35.58 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 16:35.59 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Ok. Look through the output of "lspci -nn" for the pciid. |
| 16:36.04 | dave1701^ | "Chown: failed to get attributes of '/etc/resolv.conf: no such file or directory |
| 16:36.05 | karlpinc | !tell dave1701^ about pciid |
| 16:36.21 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Oh. You need to be root to run dhclient. |
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| 16:36.42 | mulenmar | Thus the "sudo" |
| 16:36.44 | karlpinc | mulenmar: sudo is not enabled by default. |
| 16:36.57 | mulenmar | Ah, right. |
| 16:36.58 | tremon | how about "touch /etc/resolv.conf"? |
| 16:37.07 | karlpinc | tremon: no. |
| 16:37.21 | dave1701^ | I did lspci -nn |
| 16:37.26 | dave1701^ | a bunch of stuff cam up |
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| 16:37.45 | dave1701^ | the ethernet controller is listed |
| 16:37.57 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Type "su -" to become root. (Enter the root password.) Then try the "dhclient eth0" command. |
| 16:38.09 | TehRabbitt-Work | is it possible to change the terminal text color in debian from white to amber for *all* users? |
| 16:38.20 | karlpinc | dave1701^: The pciid looks like [xxxx:yyyy]. But see if the dhclient command works. |
| 16:38.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | (console) |
| 16:38.29 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: not easily |
| 16:38.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: :-| how hard? |
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| 16:38.54 | tremon | you can do it for all users that use bash in /etc/bash.bashrc, other shells may have similar files |
| 16:38.54 | mulenmar | Switch to a monochrome amber-on-black monitor? :D |
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| 16:39.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: i'm guessing as soon as the user logs in it'd reset PS1 etc? |
| 16:39.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | mulenmar: basically thats what I want it to emulate lol... long story |
| 16:39.25 | tremon | yes, and users can always override whatever defaults you set in /etc |
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| 16:39.40 | dave1701^ | how do I clear out of these terminals |
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| 16:39.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: how would I set the defaults in /etc |
| 16:39.49 | dave1701^ | I have a ton of terminals stacking up |
| 16:39.56 | debbdeb | mulenmar : dont worked :S |
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| 16:40.09 | TehRabbitt-Work | just /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 16:40.10 | karlpinc | dave1701^: "exit" |
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| 16:40.20 | mulenmar | TehRabbit-Work: Haven't tried, but maybe this'll help? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Color_Bash_Prompt#Generalizing_colors_for_all_users |
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| 16:40.40 | dave1701^ | su - |
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| 16:40.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | mulenmar: YES thank you. |
| 16:40.49 | mulenmar | debbdeb: Sorry, then. I'm out of ideas. :( |
| 16:40.57 | debbdeb | :S |
| 16:41.48 | dave1701^ | dhclient: command not found :( |
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| 16:42.28 | debbdeb | dave1701^ : root |
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| 16:43.36 | dave1701^ | my password isnt working! |
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| 16:46.44 | darsie | will tmpfs use swap? |
| 16:47.15 | dave1701^ | su: authenitcation faliure |
| 16:47.19 | dave1701^ | What do I do now |
| 16:47.20 | tremon | darsie: it may use swap |
| 16:47.37 | darsie | Yes, I meant, when physical memory is used up. |
| 16:47.38 | puffisocks | dave1701^: try harder to remember the password? |
| 16:47.55 | dvs | take the caps lock off? |
| 16:48.01 | dave1701^ | nope |
| 16:48.06 | dave1701^ | they are all numbers |
| 16:48.07 | puffisocks | dave1701^: numlock? |
| 16:48.14 | dave1701^ | numlock is on |
| 16:48.40 | puffisocks | dave1701^: roseary beeds? |
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| 16:49.01 | dave1701^ | its not working |
| 16:49.06 | dave1701^ | dammit!!@\ |
| 16:49.13 | Lartza | There is no php-fpm or spawn-fcgi-php or anything? :/ |
| 16:49.16 | puffisocks | dave1701^: I could sit here all day and try and guess your password? |
| 16:49.26 | dave1701^ | I am putting in the password! |
| 16:49.30 | dave1701^ | dammit |
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| 16:49.38 | puffisocks | dave1701^: unlikley the correct one. |
| 16:50.01 | dave1701^ | is it the same password that I login with? |
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| 16:50.01 | Lartza | Oh there is spawn-fcgi |
| 16:50.16 | dvs | dave1701^: No, root has its own password |
| 16:50.27 | dvs | separate from the normal user |
| 16:50.46 | dave1701^ | cRAP |
| 16:50.55 | dave1701^ | what if I left it blank |
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| 16:51.21 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Then it might be blank. Did you try just pressing return? |
| 16:51.22 | nvz | dave1701^: then root account is probably disabled and hopefully it enabled the ability to "sudo su" and use your normal password |
| 16:51.39 | nvz | dave1701^: it that doesnt work I could tell you how to hack into it and set a password |
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| 16:51.50 | puffisocks | hack the gibson |
| 16:51.54 | nvz | :-P |
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| 16:52.04 | dave1701^ | Ok I think it workd |
| 16:52.14 | dave1701^ | I did sudo su |
| 16:52.14 | nvz | dave1701^: # on the prompt? |
| 16:52.20 | dave1701^ | and put in my user pasword |
| 16:52.22 | dave1701^ | yes |
| 16:52.24 | dave1701^ | there is a # |
| 16:52.42 | nvz | then apparently it enabled sudo access |
| 16:52.43 | dave1701^ | now what command was I sposed to do |
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| 16:53.25 | nvz | I'd recommend doing passwd and setting a password, unless you're liabl e set it to something dumb. then you're better off the way it is |
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| 16:53.50 | dave1701^ | what command |
| 16:54.46 | dave1701^ | ok I did dhclient eth0 |
| 16:54.52 | dave1701^ | now what |
| 16:55.10 | mulenmar | Did it give you an ip address? |
| 16:55.36 | dave1701^ | how do I tell |
| 16:55.44 | dave1701^ | ipconfig |
| 16:56.11 | ircnode0 | should i mount sdb or sdb1? |
| 16:56.56 | dave1701^ | HEY IT WORKED |
| 16:56.59 | dave1701^ | IT LOADS GOOGLE |
| 16:57.01 | dave1701^ | THANKS |
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| 16:58.11 | mulenmar | Good. Now you should look up how to configure it to do that automatically at boot. ;) |
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| 17:02.48 | yang | In which package is the program "dquilt" ? |
| 17:02.55 | yang | apt-file can't locate it |
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| 17:04.48 | Daedeloth | greetings |
| 17:04.59 | Skandis | Trying to pick architecture for a t410 i5 dual core. Is amd64 the right choice? |
| 17:05.00 | Daedeloth | I have a server at home and my root partition is getting a bit full |
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| 17:05.35 | Daedeloth | now, I'm guessing it's not possible to change partition size over ssh? ^^ |
| 17:05.57 | jordanm | Daedeloth: if / is a logical volume, sure |
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| 17:06.45 | dave1701^ | what is a package manager? |
| 17:07.03 | Daedeloth | jordanm: it's not :) |
| 17:07.36 | dave1701^ | I am confused |
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| 17:07.39 | jordanm | Daedeloth: then depending on the on-disk location, it may require complete repartitioning and restore (offline) |
| 17:07.40 | dave1701^ | I need to install VNC |
| 17:07.52 | Daedeloth | hm, annoying. |
| 17:07.53 | dave1701^ | but this isnt as simple as windows |
| 17:08.01 | mulenmar | Windows? Simple? Ha. |
| 17:08.13 | dave1701^ | with windows all I have to do is click on the exe file |
| 17:08.23 | dave1701^ | with this thing I cant figure out what the heck to do |
| 17:08.30 | Daedeloth | but would it be possible to resize over ssh? first change the position & size of the second partition and then resize the first one? |
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| 17:09.00 | jordanm | Daedeloth: over SSH in a live cd, sure |
| 17:09.02 | dave1701^ | where is the program to run |
| 17:09.09 | dave1701^ | I am about to cry |
| 17:09.15 | Daedeloth | hm but I actually need to unmount / for that |
| 17:09.20 | Daedeloth | I guess |
| 17:09.25 | mulenmar | dave1701^: A package manger is used to download archives from a server -- Debian's, in this case -- and install them on your system. No hunting all over the net to find the program's and associated files you need. |
| 17:09.34 | Daedeloth | so let's say I can't unmount / |
| 17:09.36 | mulenmar | dave1701^: man apt-get |
| 17:09.40 | jordanm | Daedeloth: yes, it will need to be unmounted, use a livecd |
| 17:09.49 | dave1701^ | ok so what do I do to intsall VNC |
| 17:09.54 | mulenmar | dave1701^: Also, apt-cache search vnc |
| 17:09.55 | jordanm | Daedeloth: then you need to start deleting files :) |
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| 17:10.12 | Daedeloth | the / is 7gb big, that used to be okay but now it's a bit... small ;) |
| 17:10.21 | mulenmar | Or, if you prefer a GUI (you said you have a desktop environment), use Synaptic. |
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| 17:10.35 | Daedeloth | now, I can resize my /home partition, create a new partition and move part of the / over I guess |
| 17:10.40 | jordanm | Daedeloth: if its a server hosted in a datacenter or something, they can probably get it in a rescue environment for you |
| 17:10.46 | Daedeloth | but what part would be a good idea? |
| 17:10.58 | Daedeloth | well, it's a computer in my basement 1800km from here ;) |
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| 17:11.28 | jordanm | Daedeloth: you can symlink larger data locations to /home |
| 17:11.42 | Daedeloth | that's a nice idea as well |
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| 17:11.50 | sney | or mount them there |
| 17:11.57 | Daedeloth | yea, mounting them there sounds cleaner |
| 17:12.04 | Daedeloth | but in a seperate partition I guess? |
| 17:12.11 | sney | I have a 900something GB partition mounted under ~/data |
| 17:12.22 | Daedeloth | also, what's the biggest part of a debian filesystem? |
| 17:12.36 | jordanm | Daedeloth: depends on your usage |
| 17:12.49 | sney | depends on what the os is doing. on a lot of servers it's /var but on personal desktops it tends to be /home |
| 17:13.02 | Daedeloth | home is already on a seperate partition |
| 17:13.07 | sney | also, if you're full up and you haven't run apt-get clean in a while, you may as well |
| 17:13.08 | jordanm | Daedeloth: shopt -s extglob [ENTER]; du -sh /!(proc|sys|dev) |
| 17:13.31 | jordanm | [ENTER] being actually press enter |
| 17:13.55 | jordanm | du -sh /!(proc|sys|dev|home) |
| 17:14.01 | jordanm | you don't want to du /home either |
| 17:14.48 | Daedeloth | I think I also want to sort them |
| 17:16.01 | jordanm | Daedeloth: du -sk /!(proc|sys|dev|home) | sort -g |
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| 17:16.14 | Mmike | I'm cating a file to /usr/bin/mail, and i get base64 encoded file in body of message. How do I tell mail not to do so? (I'm sending a plain ascii .txt file) |
| 17:16.50 | jordanm | Mmike: mail -f <file> |
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| 17:17.26 | jordanm | oh, you are trying to send a plain text file |
| 17:17.39 | jordanm | mail < file.txt |
| 17:18.51 | Mmike | jordanm, tried that too, it's base64 encoded |
| 17:19.03 | tremon | Mmike: are you sure the file is 8-bit clean? |
| 17:19.21 | Mmike | funny thing is that if I do this: head -100 | mail -s bla-tra some@email.com, it comes ok |
| 17:19.22 | Mmike | hm |
| 17:19.31 | Mmike | 99%, i'ts a sql query digest |
| 17:20.07 | meLon | I am trying to add a kernel module (tun) that didn't seem to come with my kernel. What should I be looking up to learn how to add a kernel module without having to re-compile my entire kernel, or is this possible? |
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| 17:20.14 | tremon | 99% tends to not be enough for most programs :) |
| 17:20.21 | Mmike | yea, now that you mention it :) |
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| 17:21.01 | federico2 | meLon, the tun/tap support should be there since ages... are you sure it's missing? |
| 17:21.08 | jordanm | meLon: what version of debian? |
| 17:21.26 | jordanm | federico2: he is probably inside of an openvz/vserver container |
| 17:21.57 | meLon | I am *not* sure that it's missing. I am running a custom pre-compiled kernel for ppc64 (ps3) and get 'FATAL: Module tun not found'. I am trying to troubleshoot an issue with another program and its using sit0 instead of tun0. |
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| 17:22.23 | meLon | Linux 3.3.8 #1 SMP Tue Jun 5 18:18:00 CEST 2012 ppc64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:22.28 | sney | oh, custom pre-compiled. |
| 17:22.30 | jordanm | meLon: the debian ps3 port has been dead for a long time |
| 17:22.33 | tremon | meLon: sit is not a generic tunnel, it's ipv6 specific (iirc) |
| 17:22.47 | meLon | Yeah, thank god for the http://gitbrew.org team |
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| 17:23.02 | federico2 | find /lib -name 'tun.ko', IIRC |
| 17:23.03 | jordanm | meLon: that's not debian |
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| 17:23.16 | dave1701^ | ok this is wayyy too hard |
| 17:23.23 | dave1701^ | How do I instal VNC? |
| 17:23.31 | meLon | jordanm: gitbrew has provided OtherOS++, which allows the installation of debian on a ps3, sir |
| 17:23.58 | sney | dave1701^: aptitude search vnc, pick one from the list, aptitude install packagename |
| 17:23.59 | meLon | Thank you federico2, it returned no results |
| 17:24.09 | tremon | meLon: to rebuild modules for the current kernel, you need the compiled kernel headers |
| 17:24.21 | sney | dave1701^: as root, of course. it's like running things as administrator. required for things like installs |
| 17:24.24 | meLon | Looks like I'm compiling a kernel. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a less painful way. Thanks guys |
| 17:24.40 | dave1701^ | aptitiude search? |
| 17:24.56 | sney | it is a command that you run |
| 17:25.13 | tremon | dave1701^: or install synaptic, it has a window |
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| 17:25.22 | sney | there are gui tools to do these things, but the command line is a bit less cluttered |
| 17:25.42 | sney | !tell dave1701^ -about grounding |
| 17:25.47 | sney | !tell dave1701^ -about refcard |
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| 17:27.10 | dave1701^ | I typed aptitude search VNC |
| 17:27.15 | dave1701^ | and nothing came up |
| 17:27.33 | karlpinc | dave1701^: It probably wants lower case "vnc". |
| 17:27.59 | dave1701^ | I did |
| 17:27.59 | karlpinc | dave1701^: (I wonder why? We could probably submit a bug report....) |
| 17:28.10 | sney | yeah, you should see about 50 results. 'tightvnc' is a popular one, so is 'x11vnc' |
| 17:28.14 | dave1701^ | hmm |
| 17:28.15 | jelly-home | dave1701^: aptitude search syntax is complex. For simpler searches, just do "apt-cache search terms to search for" |
| 17:28.29 | dave1701^ | in the terminal? |
| 17:28.29 | nkuttler | both upper and lowercase works for me on testing and stable |
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| 17:28.32 | jelly-home | correct |
| 17:28.56 | nkuttler | would assume no sources or somethng |
| 17:29.02 | sney | of course, if your network wasn't connected during the install, you might not have apt set up |
| 17:29.13 | karlpinc | dave1701^: When it does not work, it'd be nice if you could tell us what it says. (Although if you have irc on another box I can understand not wanting to re-type.) |
| 17:29.17 | Mmike | http://pastebin.com/0Jc1D4sS <- could it be that the CR is making mail to use base64? |
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| 17:29.20 | dave1701^ | god damn it |
| 17:29.21 | nkuttler | dave1701^: run aptitude update |
| 17:30.42 | dave1701^ | apt-cache search vnc |
| 17:30.45 | dave1701^ | nothing at all |
| 17:30.50 | dave1701^ | nothing happens |
| 17:30.51 | nkuttler | dave1701^: run aptitude update |
| 17:30.56 | dave1701^ | I did aptitude update |
| 17:31.01 | jelly-home | Mmike: what does "cat filename | file -" say? |
| 17:31.03 | dave1701^ | and some stuff cam up there |
| 17:31.13 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Then you're probably setup to just get your packages from your install media, not from the net. |
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| 17:31.25 | dave1701^ | DAMMIT |
| 17:31.28 | dave1701^ | What the crap |
| 17:31.29 | Ormu1 | hello |
| 17:31.41 | sney | dave1701^: relax. it's a learning experience and you're doing pretty well |
| 17:31.44 | Ormu1 | any suggestions for a good dynamic DNS update client? |
| 17:31.50 | dave1701^ | What do I do now |
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| 17:32.25 | Ormu1 | I think inadyn should be good.. is it able to update every 4 days and every time the public IP changes? |
| 17:32.30 | karlpinc | dave1701^: You still have your install media? You seem frustrated with the command line. You could install and use synatptic to install more packages. (I'd guess synaptic is on your install media.) |
| 17:32.36 | tremon | karlpinc: not really surprising, if you tell the installer not to configure the network |
| 17:32.38 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:32.39 | Mmike | jelly-home, losing you here - whad to yu mean? |
| 17:32.47 | dave1701^ | sypaptic |
| 17:32.52 | dave1701^ | so I put that in the CD drive |
| 17:32.53 | nkuttler | but would synaptic automatically add sources? |
| 17:33.13 | jelly-home | Mmike: you're suspecting the file contents to be the cause. what does the "file" tool say about them? |
| 17:33.15 | karlpinc | dave1701^: We have a hard time supporting gui stuff. It's a whole lot easier to tell somebody to type "foo" than to use this, that and the other menu and then press the purple button. |
| 17:33.21 | nkuttler | dave1701^: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list if you're familiar with any editor |
| 17:33.47 | karlpinc | nkuttler, dave1701^: No, synaptic would not automatically add sources, but it would give him a gui interface to add sources. |
| 17:33.55 | dave1701^ | is still confused |
| 17:34.00 | Mmike | jelly, ah, neat! :) sec |
| 17:34.05 | dave1701^ | but pu tthe installation CD in there |
| 17:34.19 | Mmike | it says this: /dev/stdin: ASCII English text, with very long lines, with CRLF, LF line terminators |
| 17:34.46 | dave1701^ | OK I put the disk in |
| 17:34.48 | dave1701^ | now what |
| 17:35.21 | karlpinc | dave1701^: So, do you want to try to install synaptic and poke about the gui yourself to add sources. (Places from which debian packages are obtained - e.g. the internet.) or do you want us to talk you through the "textual way"? |
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| 17:35.43 | dave1701^ | Whatever is fastest |
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| 17:36.29 | dave1701^ | I gues the text way |
| 17:36.33 | dave1701^ | what do I do? |
| 17:36.53 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Type this (exactly): echo "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:37.03 | nkuttler | (as root) |
| 17:37.11 | karlpinc | oops |
| 17:37.19 | karlpinc | (as root) |
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| 17:38.19 | karlpinc | Crap. The <sources.list> factoid has that text, but it's debian.net! Is that going to work? |
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| 17:38.43 | nkuttler | don't worry, he'll get an error if not |
| 17:38.47 | sney | karlpinc: cdn.debian.net? yep, it works. ping it |
| 17:39.07 | sney | it uses your dns to determine your closest mirror dynamically, as I understand it |
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| 17:39.17 | simonlnu | yes it works. it's just a bunch of CNAMEs |
| 17:39.28 | simonlnu | exactly what it does |
| 17:39.33 | tremon | karlpinc: cdn is not yet an official debian component, hence the .net |
| 17:39.38 | simonlnu | but your geo-location |
| 17:39.39 | dave1701^ | nothing happened |
| 17:39.46 | nkuttler | dave1701^: that's good |
| 17:39.50 | dave1701^ | lol |
| 17:39.54 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Good. it worked. Now "aptitude update". |
| 17:39.56 | darsie | can I remount tmpfs to change its size without losing the data in it? |
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| 17:40.11 | tremon | darsie: yes. -o remount,size= |
| 17:40.15 | darsie | thx |
| 17:40.18 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Then, "aptitude search vnc" |
| 17:40.20 | simonlnu | yes |
| 17:40.36 | nkuttler | karlpinc: remember to add security sources as well |
| 17:40.37 | jelly-home | Mmike: what if you stabilize those line endings and try again |
| 17:40.38 | dave1701^ | ok now what |
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| 17:41.05 | karlpinc | dave1701^: aptitude search vnc should now work. |
| 17:41.11 | jelly-home | Mmike: ie. get rid of all the \r, or make sure there's only \r\n and no \n\n sequence at all |
| 17:41.12 | Mmike | jelly-home, how do I do that? |
| 17:41.13 | dave1701^ | nothing happened |
| 17:41.17 | Mmike | hm |
| 17:41.24 | Mmike | I'd like to avoid that part :/ |
| 17:41.30 | jelly-home | Mmike: that's an excellent question to ask a system programmer! |
| 17:41.34 | nkuttler | dave1701^: did you run aptitude update? |
| 17:41.43 | dave1701^ | yes |
| 17:42.04 | nkuttler | dave1701^: and? what happened? |
| 17:42.10 | dave1701^ | nothing |
| 17:42.25 | karlpinc | dave1701^: You have to be root doing all this. |
| 17:42.26 | nkuttler | dave1701^: what's the output of which aptitude |
| 17:42.38 | jelly-home | Mmike: tr -d '\r' |
| 17:42.41 | dave1701^ | I am |
| 17:43.22 | nkuttler | dave1701^: btw, nothing happened is useless. please say something like the command ran with no output |
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| 17:43.35 | dave1701^ | is something supposed to come up |
| 17:43.43 | nkuttler | if nothing happended... did you interrupt it or.. |
| 17:43.47 | nkuttler | dave1701^: from what? |
| 17:44.04 | threadlock | echo $? |
| 17:44.05 | dave1701^ | how am i supposed to know if it ran |
| 17:44.05 | simonlnu | from that echo command, nothing is ok |
| 17:44.11 | tremon | jelly-home, Mmike: that tr is dangerous |
| 17:44.38 | dave1701^ | no output from aptitude search vnc |
| 17:44.49 | tremon | file said that the original had CRLF, LF terminators, so removing all \r's will lose some line endings |
| 17:44.50 | jelly-home | tremon: his file already has mixed \r\n and \n, and he's sending it as mail message body. |
| 17:44.50 | nkuttler | dave1701^: what's the output of "aptitude --version"? |
| 17:44.51 | simonlnu | did he update? |
| 17:45.02 | nkuttler | simonlnu: not really clear. he says he did |
| 17:45.04 | jelly-home | tremon: it won't lose any line endings. |
| 17:45.06 | tremon | or is LF the \n? |
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| 17:45.19 | dave1701^ | stuff |
| 17:45.24 | karlpinc | dave1701^: "aptitude update" is support to spit out a bunch of lines explaining where it went to get lists of packages that can be installed. cdn.debian.net should be in there (toward the end). |
| 17:45.24 | tremon | ah crap, ignore me, thinko |
| 17:45.26 | jelly-home | tremon: yes. \r = CR, \n = LF |
| 17:45.29 | nkuttler | dave1701^: ok, i give up |
| 17:45.48 | simonlnu | update again, then try search again |
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| 17:46.02 | dave1701^ | aptitiude 0.6.3 compliled at aug 12 2011 |
| 17:46.05 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Have we tested to see if you can reach the net? does "ping -n -c 5 www.google.com" get you a response? |
| 17:46.17 | dave1701^ | yes I can browse the interwebs |
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| 17:46.47 | dave1701^ | apt version 4.10.1 |
| 17:47.04 | karlpinc | dave1701^: You could type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and see that the last line is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". |
| 17:47.23 | Mmike | jelly-home, thank you, makes sense |
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| 17:48.46 | dave1701^ | what am I looking for ? |
| 17:48.53 | Superlokkus | I have installed nasty for bruteforcing the passphrase of an old pgp-Key, but for every passphrase nasty trys, a prompt from gpg will appear, which orders me to type in the passphrase |
| 17:49.06 | karlpinc | dave1701^: The very last line, to see that it's right. |
| 17:49.41 | Superlokkus | ( this one )http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-closed/2010-03/msg00574.html |
| 17:49.58 | dave1701^ | it says deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 17:50.22 | Superlokkus | But I use gpg 1.4.2 instead of gpg 2 but I think the bug had never been resolved |
| 17:50.32 | karlpinc | dave1701^: I don't think you typed the echo command correctly. (You probably mis-spelled "sources.list".) |
| 17:50.39 | dave1701^ | ok |
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| 17:50.45 | dave1701^ | lemmie try again |
| 17:51.32 | karlpinc | dave1701^: (The tab key is your friend. Pressing it, more than once sometimes, will auto-type stuff for you. Feel free to experiment when you have time.) |
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| 17:52.45 | dave1701^ | ok I typed it again |
| 17:52.53 | dave1701^ | now what |
| 17:53.13 | karlpinc | dave1701^: Now the "aptitude update" and "aptitude search vnc" again, natch. |
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| 17:54.44 | dave1701^ | E: Type 'dev' is not known on line 19 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:54.51 | dave1701^ | it says that a bunch of tiems |
| 17:55.06 | sney | typo |
| 17:55.09 | sney | it should say 'deb' |
| 17:55.15 | dave1701^ | SHIII |
| 17:55.44 | karlpinc | Those computers. So picky. |
| 17:56.35 | karlpinc | wonders if dave1701^ can use an editor.... Wanders off to eat lunch. |
| 17:57.03 | nkuttler | dave1701^: can you? use an editor? |
| 17:57.21 | nkuttler | dave1701^: just nano /etc/apt/sources.list, it's not that hard |
| 17:57.54 | nkuttler | dave1701^: fix the line you added earlier AND add "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" for security fixes |
| 17:58.34 | dave1701^ | what the hell |
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| 17:58.48 | dave1701^ | I fixed it and it still says dev |
| 17:58.52 | dave1701^ | even though I typed deb |
| 17:58.59 | nkuttler | dave1701^: did you save the file? |
| 17:59.03 | dave1701^ | huh? |
| 17:59.22 | tremon | has a sneaking suspicion |
| 17:59.47 | dave1701^ | begins to question his compacity to use linux |
| 18:00.01 | jordanm | me too |
| 18:00.05 | dave1701^ | lol |
| 18:00.09 | dave1701^ | This is too damn hard |
| 18:00.14 | dave1701^ | Maybe I should just reinstall |
| 18:00.24 | jordanm | its not hard, but it is a lot to learn all at once |
| 18:00.31 | format_c | dave1701^, only on the beginning. Then you'll get addictive |
| 18:00.37 | dave1701^ | install windows server 2002 |
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| 18:00.58 | nkuttler | dave1701^: it would have taken less than a minute to fix this if you could have copy + pasted ;) |
| 18:01.04 | dave1701^ | I cant |
| 18:01.07 | dave1701^ | hey wait I can |
| 18:01.15 | dave1701^ | now that the thing is conected to the internet |
| 18:01.22 | nkuttler | dave1701^: not in the channel though |
| 18:01.38 | tremon | I'd start with sed -i s/^dev/d |
| 18:01.50 | tremon | hrm |
| 18:01.57 | tremon | that's /^dev/d |
| 18:02.02 | nkuttler | -ei, innit? |
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| 18:02.33 | tremon | don't think the -e is necessary, have used only -i before. Works with just one operation |
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| 18:03.24 | dave1701_ | ok so typing this from debian |
| 18:03.40 | dave1701_ | what do I copy and paste |
| 18:03.46 | tremon | dave1701_: are you still root? |
| 18:03.58 | dave1701_ | lets see |
| 18:04.10 | tremon | try whoami |
| 18:04.16 | dave1701_ | yes |
| 18:04.32 | dave1701_ | what do I do |
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| 18:05.17 | tremon | sed -i /^dev/d /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:06.13 | tremon | echo -e "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main\ndeb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ stable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:06.30 | tremon | aptitude update |
| 18:06.38 | dave1701_ | waut aminute |
| 18:06.40 | dave1701_ | which one |
| 18:06.45 | dave1701_ | and why wont copy and pasting work |
| 18:06.47 | stew | tremon: no not "stable"!! |
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| 18:07.21 | dave1701_ | can you not paste into terminal? |
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| 18:07.37 | dave1701_ | lovely |
| 18:07.47 | tremon | stew: oops, you're right. I copied from my box, but I have apt::default-release set... |
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| 18:08.48 | dave1701_ | I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.... |
| 18:09.19 | tremon | for stew's peace of mind: sed -i s/stable/squeeze/ /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:10.06 | tremon | dave1701_: can't paste? No mouse or no X? |
| 18:10.14 | stew | don't do it for my peace of mind. do it so the install doesn't get screwed up when wheezy is released |
| 18:10.33 | tremon | that's called job security :) |
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| 18:10.47 | dave1701_ | sed -i /^dev/d /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:10.53 | dave1701_ | see its in the clipboard |
| 18:11.00 | dave1701_ | but it wont paste into the console |
| 18:12.36 | dave1701_ | Ive wasted most of my day on this bullshit |
| 18:13.07 | boudiccas | dave1701_: sorting out your cockup |
| 18:14.23 | dave1701_ | I need a gui |
| 18:14.38 | Sevet | hi everybody, i have a bootable iso that mounts to show one set of files but boots with a different set of files - does anyone know how i can mount the ones it boots with? |
| 18:15.15 | dave1701_ | how do you run programs on linux? |
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| 18:15.47 | _ramok | hi |
| 18:15.50 | boudiccas | dave1701_: in gnome or kde? |
| 18:15.54 | tremon | Sevet: you probably want to extract the boot image (which can be an iso of itself). Can't help you further as I've never done that before |
| 18:15.56 | dave1701_ | I dont know |
| 18:16.07 | dave1701_ | Hey I managed to put this into the console |
| 18:16.08 | dave1701_ | sed -i /^dev/d /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:16.12 | dave1701_ | now what do I do |
| 18:16.19 | tremon | dave1701_: press enter? |
| 18:16.23 | dave1701_ | I did that... |
| 18:16.43 | stew | dave1701_: whenever you alter sources.list you should run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" |
| 18:17.02 | tremon | then try to paste the second line I posted |
| 18:17.08 | stew | oh |
| 18:17.13 | dave1701_ | E: Type 'dev' is not known on line 19 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 18:17.30 | dave1701_ | I really broke it now |
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| 18:17.52 | tremon | dave1701_: try this one: |
| 18:18.02 | tremon | echo -e "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main\ndeb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" > /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:18.32 | jelly-home | because overwriting config files is fun! |
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| 18:18.37 | nkuttler | it is! |
| 18:18.41 | dave1701_ | GOOD SIGN |
| 18:18.43 | tremon | it can be |
| 18:18.54 | dave1701_ | ITS DOING SHIT |
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| 18:18.59 | dave1701_ | I mean crap |
| 18:19.03 | tremon | shit is generally not a good sign |
| 18:19.10 | tremon | neither is crap |
| 18:19.11 | dave1701_ | well at least it did something |
| 18:19.15 | nkuttler | depends on it's consistency |
| 18:19.20 | dave1701_ | now what |
| 18:19.39 | nkuttler | dave1701_: which command 'did shit'? |
| 18:19.40 | dave1701_ | Current status: 19 updates [+19], 27418 new [+27418]. |
| 18:19.49 | dave1701_ | the aptitude update |
| 18:19.49 | nkuttler | dave1701_: aptitude search vlc |
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| 18:20.08 | dave1701_ | AW HAIL YEA |
| 18:20.24 | dave1701_ | I see the list |
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| 18:20.46 | dave1701_ | How do I get tightvnc server |
| 18:21.01 | nkuttler | dave1701_: aptitude search whatever, aptitude install thepackage |
| 18:21.09 | dave1701_ | huh |
| 18:21.15 | dave1701_ | install thepackage |
| 18:21.28 | nkuttler | dave1701_: aptitude search whatever, aptitude install whicheverpackageyouwanttoinstall |
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| 18:21.49 | dave1701_ | AW HAIL YEA |
| 18:21.55 | dave1701_ | its doing more shit |
| 18:21.55 | tremon | dave1701_: for our sake, please first aptitude install pastebinit |
| 18:22.00 | dave1701_ | too late |
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| 18:22.19 | dave1701_ | ok I think its done |
| 18:22.19 | dave1701_ | now what |
| 18:22.31 | nkuttler | dave1701_: type vlc and hit enter? |
| 18:22.39 | nkuttler | dave1701_: oh wait, don't do that as root... |
| 18:22.43 | tremon | nkuttler: tag |
| 18:22.47 | dave1701_ | ok |
| 18:22.51 | dave1701_ | why is there no icon? |
| 18:23.06 | nkuttler | there probably is one in the menu, or you need to restart this GUI stuff.. |
| 18:23.14 | dave1701_ | ok |
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| 18:23.16 | dave1701_ | so I reboot |
| 18:23.27 | dave1701_ | crap I hope that doesnt screw up my DHCP again |
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| 18:23.52 | dave1701_ | what did we do to fix that? |
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| 18:24.00 | dave1701_ | dhclient |
| 18:24.02 | dave1701_ | somethign |
| 18:24.20 | dave1701_ | its vnc |
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| 18:24.55 | dave1701_ | I dont see the icon |
| 18:25.07 | dave1701_ | what do I do |
| 18:25.15 | StuckMojo | hola. ISTR somewhere that you could get VMs with Lenny, Squeeze, etc installed already? |
| 18:25.45 | dave1701_ | ?? |
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| 18:26.12 | dave1701_ | I want dat vNC |
| 18:26.19 | dave1701_ | I guess Ill try rebooting |
| 18:26.37 | StuckMojo | dave1701_: eh? the only time you should need to reboot is to load a new kernel |
| 18:26.39 | StuckMojo | doh |
| 18:30.48 | nsadmin | if it's a new install that he had to tweak, it's good to see the tweaks work on reboot |
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| 18:32.23 | qwebirc9214 | help |
| 18:32.28 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: touche |
| 18:32.31 | sney | !ask |
| 18:32.31 | qwebirc9214 | i am dave |
| 18:32.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:32.53 | qwebirc9214 | what did i do before |
| 18:32.58 | sney | dhclient eth0 |
| 18:33.15 | nsadmin | I'm sorry dave... but I'm afraid I can't do that... |
| 18:33.17 | sney | and you'll probably want to install network-manager so you don't have to manually bring up your connection every time |
| 18:33.22 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: saw that coming ;) |
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| 18:33.25 | qwebirc9214 | thank you |
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| 18:34.34 | nsadmin | qwebirc9214, did that work? |
| 18:34.49 | qwebirc9214 | yes |
| 18:34.58 | nsadmin | cool :) |
| 18:35.28 | nsadmin | is it is a laptop? |
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| 18:35.43 | qwebirc9214 | no |
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| 18:36.12 | nsadmin | has wireless? you want to use wireless? |
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| 18:36.53 | Dave1701 | I need to fix that |
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| 18:36.59 | Dave1701 | but why cant I find VNC |
| 18:37.05 | Dave1701 | I installed it |
| 18:37.08 | Dave1701 | but its not there |
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| 18:37.23 | nsadmin | it's somewhere :) |
| 18:37.23 | nkuttler | Dave1701: you mean it's not in any menu? just launch it from a terminal then |
| 18:37.33 | Dave1701 | yea its not on the menu |
| 18:37.35 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, i did all this: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
| 18:37.39 | WordpressNoob | thinking it was the driver? |
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| 18:37.44 | Dave1701 | how do I launch it from the terminal |
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| 18:37.57 | WordpressNoob | but now it's just saying xserver already exists on :0 and when i say to try another display it errors out then gives me the same gdm problem |
| 18:37.58 | nkuttler | Dave1701: you type vlc and hit enter |
| 18:38.16 | nsadmin | vLc? |
| 18:38.26 | nkuttler | WordpressNoob: use a free driver install of fglrx? |
| 18:38.27 | nsadmin | that's a audio playuer |
| 18:38.29 | nkuttler | vLc? |
| 18:38.43 | Dave1701 | VNC |
| 18:38.53 | nsadmin | well some of you said vLc and some said vNc |
| 18:38.56 | nkuttler | oh he wants vnc now.. |
| 18:38.56 | Dave1701 | Virtual network computing |
| 18:39.07 | Dave1701 | I always wanted vnc |
| 18:39.09 | deever | anyone here with a 3TB HD? i don't get squeeze to recognize it properly... |
| 18:39.15 | Dave1701 | because I only have on ekeyboard |
| 18:39.22 | Dave1701 | THERE IS NO GUI |
| 18:39.23 | Dave1701 | ? |
| 18:39.26 | Dave1701 | What the crap!! |
| 18:39.33 | nsadmin | ting! |
| 18:39.37 | Dave1701 | lovely |
| 18:39.39 | nkuttler | so much noise |
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| 18:40.12 | Dave1701 | how do I get my IP adress |
| 18:40.19 | Dave1701 | what is the linux equivilant of Ipconfig |
| 18:40.22 | StuckMojo | ifconfig |
| 18:40.31 | StuckMojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.44 | Diopter | ip >>>> ifconfig |
| 18:40.48 | nsadmin | Dave1701, to see where most of the stuff in a pacage went, you can dpkg -L <thePackageName> |
| 18:40.51 | StuckMojo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.40 | nsadmin | you'll see all your interfaces whether they're up or not |
| 18:41.48 | Diopter | deever: What do you mean squeeze doesn't recognize your 3TB HD properly? |
| 18:41.59 | Diopter | deever: Do you mean you can't make a single partition that fills all 3TB? |
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| 18:42.52 | deever | Diopter: no, 'fdisk -l /dev/sde' just does nothing, and also gdisk can't create a GPT as it seems |
| 18:43.26 | StuckMojo | deever: that might have to do with MB bios |
| 18:43.47 | trebaum | does anyone have experience setting up multiple wireless devices on a single box? |
| 18:43.54 | StuckMojo | read the release notes for any newer bios that are available for your board |
| 18:44.10 | Diopter | deever: Sounds like your BIOS, or cables (data/power), or the HD itself. |
| 18:44.17 | deever | StuckMojo: ah, thank you |
| 18:44.30 | deever | Diopter: to you, too |
| 18:44.33 | deever | i'll check |
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| 18:44.45 | qwebirc31826 | ok this is bullshit |
| 18:44.53 | StuckMojo | deever: i'd recommend reading the notes rather than just flashing the latest |
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| 18:45.08 | StuckMojo | deever: sometimes it'll break more than it fixes ;) |
| 18:45.25 | dave1701^ | Why cant tightvnc just work like it does on windows???? |
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| 18:45.30 | dave1701^ | cries |
| 18:45.39 | dave1701^ | I WANT A GUI |
| 18:45.44 | dave1701^ | I NEED A GUI |
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| 18:45.54 | StuckMojo | statement 1 = true |
| 18:46.01 | StuckMojo | statement 2 = false |
| 18:46.19 | dave1701^ | noo |
| 18:46.25 | Diopter | dave1701^: You seem to have some serious misconceptions about what you want and how to achieve it. |
| 18:46.35 | Diopter | dave1701^: How abou we start with: what are you doing? What are you trying to do? |
| 18:46.39 | dave1701^ | Tight VNC |
| 18:46.43 | dave1701^ | I installed it |
| 18:46.46 | boudiccas | dave1701 aptitude install gnome |
| 18:46.49 | ompaul | !volunteers |
| 18:46.50 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 18:46.50 | StuckMojo | did he install a desktop version? i.e. does he even have gnome or kde or X installed? |
| 18:46.55 | Diopter | You installed what? |
| 18:46.59 | Diopter | What did you type? |
| 18:47.21 | StuckMojo | gotta run to work |
| 18:47.23 | StuckMojo | good luck |
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| 18:47.37 | Dave1701 | I installed tightvnc |
| 18:47.41 | jelly-home | thinks dave1701^ is pulling everyone's legs and has now reached a critical leg amount |
| 18:47.45 | Dave1701 | for remote acess |
| 18:48.17 | jelly-home | Dave1701: typically linux users have ssh for remote access |
| 18:48.34 | Diopter | Dave1701: Allowing remote access to this machine? Or remotely accessing some other machine from this one? |
| 18:48.43 | Diopter | Dave1701: I.e., a VNC server or client? |
| 18:48.51 | ompaul | vps or something else |
| 18:48.54 | Dave1701 | server |
| 18:49.00 | ompaul | Dave1701: what do you mean by server |
| 18:49.06 | deever | Dave1701: do you have X11 running at all? |
| 18:49.13 | Diopter | ompaul: Most likely the 'tightvncserver' package. |
| 18:49.26 | Diopter | But since Dave1701 refuses to tell us what he actually typed, it's a guessing game. |
| 18:49.28 | ompaul | debian version --- where is this box |
| 18:49.33 | WordpressNoob | nkuttler, sorry you lost me. free driver install? |
| 18:49.37 | ompaul | oh telepathy |
| 18:49.43 | Dave1701 | Oh my god |
| 18:49.44 | ompaul | I love telepathy |
| 18:49.56 | Dave1701 | TIGHTVNCSERVER |
| 18:50.09 | ompaul | Dave1701: you will have to work with us, we know nothing other than yiou keep saying a particular vnc server |
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| 18:50.14 | ompaul | we need a little more than that go on |
| 18:50.23 | Dave1701 | aptitude install tightvncserver |
| 18:50.25 | Diopter | Dave1701: Cool! Turns out there are many types of packages with many names that are or can be simlar. |
| 18:50.34 | Diopter | Dave1701: So telling us exactly what you typed/installed is, in fact, vital to know. |
| 18:50.38 | Dave1701 | I would assume that Tightvncserver would have a gui |
| 18:50.44 | Diopter | Why would you assume that? |
| 18:50.45 | ompaul | Dave1701: it doesn't |
| 18:50.46 | Diopter | It's a server. |
| 18:50.49 | ompaul | it attachs to one |
| 18:50.58 | ompaul | and allows people into it |
| 18:51.07 | Dave1701 | well why isnt it working |
| 18:51.09 | ompaul | Dave1701: where is this computer |
| 18:51.14 | Dave1701 | and how do I know if it is running |
| 18:51.20 | ompaul | home / office / data center |
| 18:51.21 | Dave1701 | The computer is sitting right next to me |
| 18:51.24 | ompaul | good |
| 18:51.25 | Dave1701 | in my home |
| 18:51.35 | ompaul | now what version of debian did you install on it? |
| 18:51.43 | Dave1701 | umm |
| 18:51.48 | Dave1701 | the latest one |
| 18:51.53 | ompaul | that makes no sense |
| 18:51.59 | ompaul | where did you get it fromn |
| 18:51.59 | Dave1701 | latest stable one |
| 18:52.02 | Dave1701 | bebian |
| 18:52.10 | ompaul | it's debian |
| 18:52.44 | Diopter | biebian? http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:52.46 | ompaul | has to go, you will have to answer a lot of short questions and people will help you, but you must be ready to also say "I don't know" so they can tell you how to get the data they need to help you |
| 18:52.54 | Dave1701 | 6.0.5 |
| 18:52.57 | Dave1701 | i386 |
| 18:53.34 | Dave1701 | what is this gnome I am installing? |
| 18:53.49 | Diopter | Dave1701: There are multiple Desktop Environments for Linux. |
| 18:53.54 | Diopter | Gnome is one of them. |
| 18:54.03 | boudiccas | dave1701 a desktop environment with a GUI |
| 18:54.08 | Dave1701 | ok |
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| 18:54.17 | Dave1701 | need |
| 18:54.21 | Dave1701 | well that is what I want |
| 18:54.36 | Dave1701 | but anyway |
| 18:54.42 | Dave1701 | why isnt VNC working |
| 18:54.52 | Dave1701 | how do I ping |
| 18:54.53 | stew | Dave1701: you shoudl try to hit <enter> less often. use puntuation instead |
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| 18:55.03 | Dave1701 | I am too tired |
| 18:55.31 | stew | Dave1701: ping is just "ping 1.2.3.4" or "ping some.host.name" |
| 18:55.44 | Dave1701 | how do I make it stop |
| 18:55.47 | WinstonSmith | ah i am too tired so i piss off the people on IRC i want help from... :/ |
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| 18:55.52 | stew | Dave1701: hit ctrl + c |
| 18:55.53 | Diopter | Control-C. |
| 18:55.56 | WinstonSmith | ^C |
| 18:55.59 | Dave1701 | k |
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| 18:56.09 | Dave1701 | but seriously though |
| 18:56.13 | Dave1701 | why isnt vnc working |
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| 18:56.20 | WinstonSmith | please don't use enter as punctuation. just write everything in one line, THEN press enter. |
| 18:56.59 | stew | Dave1701: did you show us errors somewhere? or describe better what is happening? |
| 18:57.18 | Dave1701 | I dont know how do do anything without a gui |
| 18:57.23 | Dave1701 | I need a gui |
| 18:57.48 | stew | Dave1701: if you have questions, just ask them |
| 18:58.01 | Dave1701 | how do I make debian more windows like |
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| 18:58.39 | Dave1701 | can I run programs just by clicking on them like I do in windows? |
| 18:58.40 | WinstonSmith | gets popcorn |
| 18:58.45 | stew | Dave1701: it sounds like you want a desktop environment? kde and gnome are the most full featured. you should be able to install either with "aptitude install kde" or "aptitude install gnome" |
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| 18:58.59 | Dave1701 | ok I am installing gnome |
| 18:59.10 | n-iCe | Dave1701: good idea |
| 18:59.18 | Dave1701 | BRB I have to go sand some wood |
| 18:59.21 | n-iCe | but |
| 18:59.28 | Dave1701 | go ahead |
| 18:59.43 | n-iCe | install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:59.47 | Dave1701 | SHIIIII |
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| 18:59.59 | Diopter | ... sand some wood... ok |
| 18:59.59 | Dave1701 | so I am installing the wrong thing? |
| 19:00.11 | stew | installing gnome includes gnome-desktop-environment |
| 19:00.18 | n-iCe | oh, really? |
| 19:00.19 | Dave1701 | oh ok |
| 19:00.23 | Dave1701 | whew |
| 19:00.23 | n-iCe | great |
| 19:00.36 | Dave1701 | Yea I am rebuilding this bech |
| 19:00.37 | Dave1701 | *beanch |
| 19:00.47 | Dave1701 | *bench |
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| 19:00.51 | Dave1701 | I have to sand it |
| 19:00.53 | stew | Dave1701: is there anything I'm going to be able to do to convince you to stop hitting enter so often? |
| 19:01.06 | Dave1701 | BRB |
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| 19:03.36 | deever | stew: /ig Dave1701 |
| 19:03.43 | deever | ;) |
| 19:04.03 | Dave1701 | bah its too hot |
| 19:04.15 | Dave1701 | good day for staying inside |
| 19:04.47 | LtL | Dave1701: what media did you install from originally? |
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| 19:05.06 | Dave1701 | LtL: CD |
| 19:05.53 | Dave1701 | this computer is going kinda slow |
| 19:05.55 | LtL | Dave1701: that should have installed a desktop for you if you let, which is why i ask. |
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| 19:06.08 | Dave1701 | I think I do have a desktop |
| 19:06.11 | Dave1701 | but it is no use |
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| 19:06.33 | Dave1701 | when I have to do everything from cmd |
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| 19:07.11 | Dave1701 | hey gnome finished |
| 19:07.24 | Dave1701 | now what do I do |
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| 19:07.45 | stew | Dave1701: now what to do is to retrain yourself to stop hitting enter so often |
| 19:07.51 | Dave1701 | .. |
| 19:08.16 | Dave1701 | I guess that means reboot |
| 19:08.18 | LtL | Dave1701: you can try 'startx' |
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| 19:08.39 | Dave1701 | hey how do I set it so I dont have to sy dhclient eth0 every time I reboot? |
| 19:08.58 | LtL | Dave1701: install network-manager |
| 19:09.02 | Dave1701 | how |
| 19:09.33 | stew | its installed now that you installed gnome |
| 19:09.39 | Dave1701 | ok |
| 19:09.43 | Dave1701 | So do I reboot? |
| 19:09.50 | stew | Dave1701: stop hitting enter so often |
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| 19:10.21 | LtL | Dave1701: get your desktop running, in the menu find 'synaptic' it's a GUI package manager. you can type `shutdown -r now` to reboot. |
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| 19:11.52 | dave1701^ | i dont see synaptic |
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| 19:12.51 | LtL | dave1701^: from the menu, system - administration - synaptic |
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| 19:13.06 | stew | dave1701^: however, I don't think you need it |
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| 19:13.51 | dave1701^ | crap |
| 19:14.11 | dave1701^ | how can i change a password ? |
| 19:14.31 | LtL | dave1701^: in a terminal, `passwd` |
| 19:14.43 | stew | dave1701^: if its a user password, 'passwd' as that user or 'passwd username' as root |
| 19:15.50 | dave1701^ | ok i am in synaptic |
| 19:16.01 | dave1701^ | what do i do? |
| 19:16.12 | LtL | dave1701^: be careful what you install |
| 19:16.22 | stew | dave1701^: nothing, he's trying to get you to install network-manager, which you already installed when you installed gnome. please stop hitting enter so often |
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| 19:17.10 | dave1701^ | rebooting |
| 19:17.13 | stew | why? |
| 19:17.37 | sturles | Gah! First grub-probe couldn't find a device when used with --target=device, so I wrote a wrapper to just echo /dev/sda1 when called with that argument. Now I'm finally getting further, but then grub-setup segfaults. This is on an Asus Eee 901 when istalling Debian wheezy. Any ideas? Known bugs? |
| 19:17.43 | dave1701^ | don't you have to after something like this ? |
| 19:17.46 | sturles | Is there a backports for wheezy yet? |
| 19:18.35 | rumbert | In Nautilus, if you do Ctrl+L to get to the address bar, how do you change it back to the directory buttons again? |
| 19:18.46 | stew | sturles: no, there wont' be backports until it is released |
| 19:19.09 | stew | dave1701^: you should typically only have to reboot if you are switching to a new kernel |
| 19:19.43 | stew | sturles: for known bugs: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:19.55 | deever | stew: you forgot to mention that he shouldn't press enter so often! ;) |
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| 19:20.12 | sturles | grub-setup -v says "info: changing current directory to pts." just before it segfaults. |
| 19:20.17 | dave1701^ | it's working |
| 19:20.35 | dave1701^ | how do i run a program |
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| 19:20.58 | LtL | stew: sorry, wasn't sure network-manager would be pulled in. |
| 19:21.15 | sturles | /dev/pts is special, isn't it? A filesystem in itself or something? |
| 19:21.25 | sturles | It is empty on this computer. |
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| 19:21.50 | dave1701^ | how do i get to "all programs" |
| 19:22.08 | stew | sturles: yes, a filesystem, typically: devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000) |
| 19:22.11 | LtL | dave1701^: menu, click on program. this isn't ms windows. |
| 19:22.27 | sturles | Yes! |
| 19:22.42 | dave1701^ | thereisnt program |
| 19:22.47 | sturles | mount -t devpts none /dev/pts did the trick! |
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| 19:23.03 | nsadmin | dave1701^, you can select it from some menu or you can type its name at a terminal |
| 19:23.24 | LtL | dave1701^: then it may not yet be installed. there are ways to find out. what do you want? |
| 19:23.46 | dave1701^ | it's installed |
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| 19:23.56 | stew | dave1701^: what exactly are you trying to run? |
| 19:23.59 | boudiccas | dave1701^: using linux requires a degree of intelligence, something you seem to be lacking! You know how to get synaptic from the mneu, so follow the same idea to get to your chosen program |
| 19:24.21 | stew | boudiccas: lets please keep this constructive |
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| 19:24.30 | sturles | Now, let's see if I can convince the installer to continue.. |
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| 19:24.52 | sturles | \o/ |
| 19:25.02 | sturles | Horray! |
| 19:25.16 | dave1701 | Congrats, boudiccas |
| 19:25.16 | sturles | does a little victory dance! |
| 19:25.24 | dave1701 | you are the first person to instult me today! |
| 19:25.37 | dave1701 | thats pretty god actually |
| 19:26.00 | LtL | dave1701^: she's only trying to make you aware of a new environment. |
| 19:26.01 | sturles | Let's see if this works now.. |
| 19:26.21 | dave1701 | its is obviously etremely forighn to me |
| 19:26.26 | sturles | Compressed btrfs on /.. |
| 19:26.31 | dave1701 | *foreghin |
| 19:26.42 | dave1701 | *forighen |
| 19:26.46 | dave1701 | *Whatever |
| 19:26.47 | LtL | dave1701^: you'll like it, its a steep learning curve but worth the effort. |
| 19:26.56 | sturles | Nooooooo! |
| 19:27.10 | LtL | dave1701^: stop smashing enter!!!! please |
| 19:27.15 | dave1701 | is there a place with a list of all the programs |
| 19:28.00 | LtL | dave1701^: any package manager, apt aptitude, or a gui, synaptic |
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| 19:28.43 | stew | dave1701^: do you mean all available packages? all available "programs", all currently installed programs? what exactly are you try to do? are you trying to launch some particular program? if so, which program? |
| 19:28.53 | dave1701 | I see that I have tightvncserver installed |
| 19:28.53 | stew | dave1701^: you have to ask more specific questions |
| 19:28.56 | dave1701 | how do I run it |
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| 19:29.08 | stew | dave1701^: you really need to stop using enter in place of punctuation |
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| 19:29.33 | LtL | dave1701^: most of us refer to the documentation. |
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| 19:30.01 | stew | dave1701^: the docs would be in /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 19:30.10 | dave1701 | I didint refer to the documentation for windows |
| 19:30.42 | pt | anybody helps me find out why I can not get access to my local web server through 192.168.1.100. Here is the output of ifconfig https://gist.github.com/2956024 |
| 19:30.49 | dave1701 | Where is the C drive? |
| 19:31.02 | LtL | dave1701^: I didn't either, take note of stew's suggestion. also.. google is your friend. |
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| 19:31.36 | LtL | dave1701^: drives are named differently, yours is probably /dev/sda |
| 19:31.37 | stew | dave1701^: what do you mean by "C drive"? |
| 19:31.45 | dave1701 | my hard drive |
| 19:32.06 | dave1701 | How do I freaking launch a program |
| 19:32.09 | dave1701 | why is this so hard? |
| 19:32.11 | stew | dave1701^: you want the hard drive itself, or some filesystem on the hard drive. like do you want the filesystem which is "C:" when you are booted into windows? |
| 19:32.29 | damian473 | Hi, if I got wheezy and want to install package from Squeeze repo, I first remove this package, then change wheezy to squeeze in etc/apt/sources.list do apt-get update and then install package again? |
| 19:33.11 | bardzusny | damian473: first of all, this should never happen |
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| 19:33.40 | damian473 | what you mean? |
| 19:33.41 | LtL | dave1701^: your GUI programs will be under the menu item 'applications' |
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| 19:33.53 | dave1701 | hmm |
| 19:34.02 | bardzusny | damian473: and if you're /really/ sure you want it, just add squeeze repo, apt-get update, apt-get install -t stable <packagename> |
| 19:34.04 | stew | dave1701^: please see my PMs |
| 19:34.10 | bardzusny | but why do you want it? |
| 19:34.23 | bardzusny | if anything, it's the other way around |
| 19:34.29 | LtL | dave1701^: you're not going to learn this all in one day :) |
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| 19:34.56 | damian473 | cause I've got problem with libstdc++ and I've read solution is to downgrade package to one form stable repo |
| 19:35.08 | dave1701 | what pms? |
| 19:35.20 | damian473 | so want to do that, thanks |
| 19:35.26 | stew | dave1701^: i sent you some private messages, or /query messages |
| 19:35.37 | dave1701 | no I am dave1701 |
| 19:35.38 | stew | dave1701^: perhaps they are in some other window in your irc client |
| 19:35.51 | sney | stew: check his ^ |
| 19:35.52 | dave1701 | no ^ |
| 19:36.32 | dave1701 | ok I just need to find a gui vnc server |
| 19:37.18 | stew | dave1701: i've started resending the private messages, please read them |
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| 19:38.38 | dave1701 | can I get a GUI vnc server program for linux?> |
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| 19:39.10 | bardzusny | dave1701: xtightvncviewer |
| 19:39.11 | bardzusny | oops |
| 19:39.13 | bardzusny | server? |
| 19:39.42 | dave1701 | yea |
| 19:39.50 | dave1701 | I want to acess the computer from my windows PC |
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| 19:42.08 | bardzusny | why gui? x11vnc is /very/ easy to set-up |
| 19:42.15 | bardzusny | I think just running the command is enough |
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| 19:45.56 | boudiccas | maybe dave1701 would be better off using ubuntu, as thats more up to his standard? |
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| 19:49.04 | LtL | dave1701: search for vnc in synaptic and read |
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| 19:49.25 | sney | xrdp might also be worth considering as it integrates a little better with windows |
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| 20:01.50 | icarious | can anyone tell me, when will wheezy get frozen? |
| 20:02.47 | bardzusny | I heard "soon" |
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| 20:04.33 | icarious | hmm waiting for it.. |
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| 20:05.18 | nvz | I got a computer here with a 1002:9712 ATI RS880M Mobility Radeon HD 4200 and it doesnt even run well enough to play bzflag, anyone know if there is alternate support to the free radeon drivers for this? |
| 20:05.19 | jelly-home | icarious: what are you going to do when it freezes? |
| 20:05.47 | sney | !tell nvz about fglrx dkms |
| 20:06.01 | icarious | jelly-home: use it instead of stable. as stable's nouveau is having problem with one of my pc's.. |
| 20:06.05 | icarious | plus. might report bugs |
| 20:06.09 | nvz | hmm I wonder if fglrx will support this |
| 20:06.14 | sney | nvz: check your messages, fglrx is ati's proprietary driver that supports the whole HD series. |
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| 20:06.29 | jelly-home | icarious: a frozen testing is often less usable than testing out of freeze. |
| 20:06.31 | kevlarman | sney: they dropped support for r700 and down recently |
| 20:06.45 | sney | kevlarman: perhaps, but that doesn't apply to the version that's in squeeze. |
| 20:06.47 | kevlarman | evergreen minimum on the new driver |
| 20:06.57 | icarious | is it? i thought the other way around..:S |
| 20:06.58 | sney | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 20:06.59 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-6~beta-1 |
| 20:07.22 | kevlarman | ugh, 10-9 |
| 20:07.28 | kevlarman | that was a terrible version |
| 20:07.52 | sney | whatever, it'll be quicker than radeon |
| 20:08.27 | kevlarman | sney: i know people who couldn't get fglrx to work at all on a 4200 |
| 20:08.32 | nvz | sney: yeah I'm familiar with fglrx but in my experience over the last 12 years it doesnt work fo anything |
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| 20:08.53 | nvz | I'm gonna try it though I suppose |
| 20:08.56 | sney | might as well |
| 20:09.12 | kevlarman | sney: and these are sysadmins and the like, not newbies |
| 20:09.48 | nvz | is far from a newbie.. asked because already checked Debian HCL that said to use radeon which is not doing the trick |
| 20:09.59 | nvz | not to mention as I said I've never seen fglrx work EVER on anything |
| 20:10.16 | kevlarman | nvz: i had it working on my 4670 |
| 20:10.23 | kevlarman | but it seems to hate the low end cards |
| 20:10.26 | nvz | damn it.. I just hosed this system |
| 20:10.40 | sney | nvz: although, did you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? radeon doesn't strictly require it, but it works better with than without. especially re: 3d performance |
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| 20:11.13 | nvz | should've went with my better judgement and not followed dpkg instructions verbatim |
| 20:11.21 | nvz | its uninstalling the whole damn system |
| 20:11.28 | nvz | cause aptitude is a piece of crap |
| 20:11.36 | sney | uh |
| 20:11.51 | ompaul | nvz: ja wot? |
| 20:11.52 | sney | you know, it tells you what it's going to do before it does it. so you can hit Y or N |
| 20:11.59 | nvz | I removed two gnome packages post install.. which causes aptitude to see all of the desktop system as not required |
| 20:12.00 | stew | nvz: its uninstalling because you says "yes, I accept this solution" instead of "no, find another solution" |
| 20:12.09 | nvz | because the metapackage isnt there anymore |
| 20:12.18 | stew | nvz: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
| 20:12.18 | sney | !unmarkauto |
| 20:12.19 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 20:12.26 | nvz | it never asked me that.. cause I'd remember typing out that phrase |
| 20:13.29 | nvz | ugh.. apparently it removed what I needed to get online and everything.. oh well.. putting it away now.. heh |
| 20:13.36 | stew | nvz: if you are telling us that aptitude is removing packages without warning you first, we're not going to beleive you |
| 20:13.57 | nvz | I wouldnt believe it either.. but it muste been a simple typical y not the whole phrase deal |
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| 20:14.04 | nvz | cause I know damn well I didnt type out that phrase |
| 20:14.07 | stew | nvz: yes, it was a y |
| 20:14.19 | stew | nvz: be reasonable... |
| 20:14.29 | nvz | this is why I never use aptitude cause it does things automagically |
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| 20:14.45 | nvz | I just seen the -r and thought it may have been important so I didnt substitute apt-get like I normally do |
| 20:15.11 | stew | nvz: it doesn't do things without telling you exactly what it is going to do |
| 20:15.29 | nvz | yeah well I'm multitasking on many computers.. so yeah I fudged it |
| 20:15.34 | stew | nvz: in any case, it seems like this link is for you: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
| 20:15.40 | nvz | I had holds in the package managers I used |
| 20:15.51 | nvz | aptitude doesnt respect them obviously |
| 20:16.39 | stew | i believe that is correct. (and vice-versa) |
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| 20:16.48 | ompaul | nvz: /var/log/apt is useful |
| 20:16.53 | scwizard | if you have multiple of the same dynamic website, how can you load balance between them? |
| 20:16.54 | nvz | stew: bookmarked.. I'll read that cause I do need to know how to do that sanely |
| 20:17.08 | ompaul | nvz: make a simple script to undo what you did |
| 20:17.20 | ompaul | apt-get install lots of foo |
| 20:17.38 | nvz | stew: I've had this problem more than once before cause i typically remove stuff like ekiga, epiphany..etc. for idiots who I know will never use that stuff and will be intimidated by tons of useless apps in the menu |
| 20:18.02 | nvz | ompaul: there is no apt-get anything cause my whole wifi interface is gone after it removed everything ;) |
| 20:18.38 | scwizard | for instance lets say you have an image gallery, that you're selling to people. So you have client1.mygallery.com client2.mygallery.com. How can you load balance this? |
| 20:18.40 | nvz | I already tried to apt-get install gnome.. gonna have to just put it down and walk away.. fool with it when I have a wired connection |
| 20:18.41 | ompaul | nvz: so the packages will still be in var/cache/apt/archives unless you been cleaning |
| 20:18.58 | nvz | I always clean after a fresh install |
| 20:19.03 | nvz | lots of wasted space there |
| 20:19.10 | ompaul | nvz: get bigger disks :) |
| 20:19.12 | nvz | this machine was never used since install until now |
| 20:19.13 | ompaul | not wasted |
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| 20:19.50 | nvz | it already has win7 on it.. there is plenty of disk space even with both OSes.. its just a common practice for me to apt-get clean after install |
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| 20:19.51 | yakamo | what the highest bit encryption i can use with ssh |
| 20:19.52 | yakamo | ? |
| 20:20.15 | nvz | cause people who dont know better dont know thats using all that space and I try forsee them running out of disk space |
| 20:21.09 | ompaul | yakamo: http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/ssh/ch03_09.htm |
| 20:21.25 | nvz | Until now, and even now, I dont really see a practical reason to have a large portion of the repo of already installed packages on a system |
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| 20:22.05 | nvz | I just dont currently have the time/patience/connection to fix this, and its not a priority as I merely put debian on this as an alternative to windows and its not used |
| 20:22.13 | ompaul | nvz: happy ethernet cable in that case |
| 20:22.37 | nvz | yeah.. if/when I get around to it.. all I was trying to do is play a game with this kid.. I will just use another computer at this point |
| 20:22.46 | nvz | or just install the game on the windows side |
| 20:22.59 | ompaul | now you're taunting me :P |
| 20:23.48 | nvz | if I can either find bzflag 2.0.16 for windows or 2.4 for ubuntu to upgrade mine, I can just do it that way |
| 20:24.23 | nvz | will probably need to set a day aside to both fix this debian box I just hosed as well as get debian on my own machine again |
| 20:25.00 | icarious | which packages should i install to force alsa entirely to resample audio to 48000 for better audio quality |
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| 20:26.12 | nvz | I really should know better than to try rush things.. been doing this far too long to do dumb stuff like this |
| 20:26.47 | WordpressNoob | after upgrading from lenny to squeeze, gdm won't load |
| 20:26.51 | stew | icarious: can resampling possibly improve quality? |
| 20:26.53 | WordpressNoob | X serve keeps saying can't find a display |
| 20:27.01 | WordpressNoob | i followed this guide http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
| 20:27.14 | WordpressNoob | did update and upgrade too |
| 20:27.19 | WordpressNoob | any ideas? |
| 20:27.38 | boudiccas | WordpressNoob: graphics drivers |
| 20:27.41 | nvz | WordpressNoob: would need to see the full x log or at least the error, if all else fails make a config with the radeon driver to get it up and working again |
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| 20:28.01 | nvz | no screens found is not the error portion of the log.. people always tell us that like it means anything |
| 20:28.07 | nvz | the error comes before that |
| 20:28.15 | WordpressNoob | the x log says the same thing |
| 20:28.18 | WordpressNoob | that it can't find a display |
| 20:28.22 | nvz | no, really it doesnt |
| 20:28.29 | nvz | thats not the relevant portion |
| 20:28.30 | WordpressNoob | ok then what should i be looking for |
| 20:28.35 | nvz | the EE part |
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| 20:28.46 | nvz | indicating the actual problem |
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| 20:29.16 | nvz | which given the additional context is probably your driver, but the log will tell you specifically what went wrong |
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| 20:29.39 | microcolonel | I'm not all that familiar with the debian package database. On a package page, does the dependencies section refer to what the package depends on, or what depends on the package? |
| 20:29.50 | WordpressNoob | nvz, (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 20:29.53 | WordpressNoob | is the only EE error |
| 20:29.54 | stew | microcolonel: what it depends on |
| 20:29.59 | microcolonel | ahh |
| 20:30.12 | nvz | WordpressNoob: then you're probably missing fglrx modules or something |
| 20:30.14 | microcolonel | Thank you, stew. |
| 20:30.33 | stew | microcolonel: if you have a running debian sysem "apt-cache show packagename" might be easier to read? |
| 20:30.53 | WordpressNoob | nvz, can you point me in the right direction to find that |
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| 20:35.56 | WordpressNoob | running 'aticonfig --initial' i get 'aticonfig: No supported adapters detected' |
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| 20:38.50 | lru | are there kfreebsd machines available to do test builds on? my package depends on ppp, but it seems that I need to allow freebsd-ppp as well, but I'd like to test the build, and make sure things are reasonable |
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| 20:42.10 | nvz | WordpressNoob: I've never gotten fglrx to work on anything ever, as far as I'm concerned both fglrx and ATI suck..big time.. if it were me I'd either set X to use the free radeon driver or I'd follow the debian instructions on installing fglrx |
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| 20:43.13 | nvz | WordpressNoob: /msg dpkg fglrx dkms |
| 20:43.25 | nvz | WordpressNoob: for instructions on setting up fglrx the debian way |
| 20:43.31 | stew | lru: yes, there are porter machines for this |
| 20:43.58 | lru | stew: is it possible for a mentor's maintainer to get access to one? |
| 20:44.07 | lru | er, mentored |
| 20:44.32 | stew | lru: i'm not sure, your sponsor is probably going to have to help |
| 20:44.41 | stew | hmm, it used to be http://io.debian.net |
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| 20:45.46 | lru | stew: is there documentation about those machines? |
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| 20:46.56 | stew | i'm not sure |
| 20:47.00 | Diopter | http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
| 20:47.03 | Diopter | Is a decent place to start |
| 20:47.13 | Diopter | http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=asdfasdf for instance |
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| 20:48.32 | lru | stew: I think I found a list... and there's a #debian-kbsd irc channel on irc.debian.org so I should probably check there :-) thanks! |
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| 20:48.59 | stew | lru: your sponsor should be able to loging to one of the porter boxes and do stuff in a chroot there for you |
| 20:50.34 | stew | though it actually looks like dchroot is not on either of the kfreebsd-i386 boxes. it is on the kfreebsd-amd64 box |
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| 21:02.05 | JordiGH | Where was that thing to see Debian patches to upstream source? |
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| 21:05.06 | stew | JordiGH: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ ? |
| 21:05.13 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 21:05.39 | stew | i totally guess correctly on my first guess with patches.debian.net (which had the redirect) |
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| 21:08.04 | microcolonel | I think I'm falling in love with debian, it says things like |
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| 21:08.05 | microcolonel | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
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| 21:08.05 | microcolonel | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' ?] |
| 21:08.16 | microcolonel | ^ it only says this when you try to remove APT |
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| 21:09.05 | xoz | or if you install file-rc |
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| 21:09.11 | stew | hah |
| 21:09.12 | shred805 | ls |
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| 21:09.28 | shred805 | wrong window |
| 21:09.40 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.48 | shred805 | lol |
| 21:09.48 | microcolonel | haha |
| 21:10.08 | microcolonel | ls -a |
| 21:10.26 | stew | .My Horse Pornography |
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| 21:10.36 | shred805 | find / -size +4g -name *ornogrophy* |
| 21:10.42 | Diopter | stew: Are you on my system?! |
| 21:10.43 | microcolonel | cd dev |
| 21:10.49 | microcolonel | ls -a |
| 21:10.55 | shred805 | ha |
| 21:10.57 | stew | Diopter: no, that is part of FHS |
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| 21:11.07 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.18 | Diopter | stew: Oh good. At least I know I'm Doing It Rite(tm) |
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| 21:11.31 | shred805 | if i am running the 3.4.1 kernel can i patch it with the 3.4.3 patch |
| 21:11.36 | shred805 | ive never patched before |
| 21:11.40 | microcolonel | my ssh is acting up, I think I did something nauty to my debian box |
| 21:11.56 | microcolonel | it's dropping characters |
| 21:12.13 | microcolonel | the slash character actually |
| 21:12.17 | microcolonel | wtf |
| 21:12.52 | microcolonel | well |
| 21:12.56 | microcolonel | that might be screen's doing |
| 21:12.59 | microcolonel | or irssi's |
| 21:13.02 | microcolonel | ugh |
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| 21:13.16 | microcolonel | can't even make directory jokes like this |
| 21:13.24 | microcolonel | bbiab, this is too much to deal with |
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| 21:15.05 | microcolonel | maybe it's screen's fault |
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| 21:15.09 | microcolonel | maybe it's irssi's |
| 21:15.11 | microcolonel | *sigh |
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| 21:16.43 | microcolonel | screen, why you do dis? |
| 21:16.53 | acu | I am installing Wheezy amd64 in a dv7 intel i7 laptop and past grub I get a constantly poping message udevd[395] timeoud: killing '/sbin/modprob -b pci:v00001002d00006740sv000103csd000165Abc03sc00i00' [438] ----- what is this message about, can I suppress it so I can do what I need to do ? |
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| 21:19.36 | stew | acu: do you know what device that is? |
| 21:19.40 | stew | or is that what you are asking? |
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| 21:20.45 | legov | i'm installing the latest testing build on my laptop and i want to encrypt it, does the debian installer use dm-crypt? |
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| 21:21.14 | sney | legov: it's rude to ask the same question in 2 places, at least wait for a response in one place first |
| 21:21.23 | stew | legov: what do you mean by "lastest testing build", are you actually using the testing installer? |
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| 21:22.43 | stew | acu: what does "grep -l v00001002d00006740sv000103csd000165Abc03sc00i00 /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/uevent | xargs grep PCI_ID" return? |
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| 21:22.51 | legov | stew: sorry about that - this image, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:23.12 | legov | i would say yes i belive i'm using the testing installer, non-graphical |
| 21:23.12 | acu | stew: sorry I was reading about it - first I want to stop those constant messages |
| 21:23.19 | stew | legov: did you read the errata? |
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| 21:23.46 | legov | stew: yes |
| 21:23.49 | microcolonel | does anybody have any idea why screen myght be filtering my slash key? |
| 21:24.00 | microcolonel | I can't join any other channels right now because I can't produce a slash |
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| 21:24.11 | microcolonel | #debian is my only hope |
| 21:24.22 | Diopter | microcolonel: Does ^A still interact with screen? |
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| 21:24.58 | microcolonel | yes |
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| 21:25.28 | microcolonel | Diopter: yes |
| 21:26.07 | Diopter | microcolonel: Exciting. Not sure then! Maybe you should detach your screen session and see if you can still type /'s in the underlying shell |
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| 21:27.08 | microcolonel | t1s either screen or irssi doing this |
| 21:27.41 | microcolonel | ^ that was sent from an ssh session on a completely different device |
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| 21:27.49 | acu | OK, I for HNf wrh0: no IPc6 routers present - why would it halt for that = just unbeleivable |
| 21:28.07 | microcolonel | I'll try a different screen window I guess |
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| 21:28.27 | shred805 | http://paste.debian.net/175355/ |
| 21:28.33 | shred805 | what am i doing wrong |
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| 21:31.26 | microcolonel | I guess it's irssi |
| 21:31.44 | microcolonel | Diopter: any idea why irssi would be filtering slashes? |
| 21:32.06 | Diopter | microcolonel: Maybe you have a keyboard binding accidentally. |
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| 21:32.42 | microcolonel | ugh |
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| 21:32.57 | microcolonel | that would be terribl |
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| 21:33.53 | OKTOKT | I'm trying to troubleshoot some startup events, I'm wondering where i shouold start to look for those scripts. Where would my login-manager "Slim" be first initiated on startup? |
| 21:34.02 | Diopter | microcolonel: Maybe check your .irssi/config or whatnot |
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| 21:34.58 | microcolonel | Diopter: it seems you were right |
| 21:35.03 | microcolonel | I set a keyboard binding by accident |
| 21:35.08 | Diopter | Exciting! |
| 21:35.12 | microcolonel | terrible :P |
| 21:35.40 | microcolonel | I can't unbind it now :P |
| 21:35.55 | Diopter | haha |
| 21:35.59 | Diopter | Go fix it in the config |
| 21:36.29 | microcolonel | ugh |
| 21:36.34 | microcolonel | will that update in realtime? |
| 21:36.40 | microcolonel | or will I have to restart irssi? |
| 21:36.51 | microcolonel | :S |
| 21:37.01 | microcolonel | the latter is more crappy |
| 21:37.06 | microcolonel | but probably more likely as well |
| 21:37.16 | microcolonel | I didn't set it in the config in the first place |
| 21:37.22 | Diopter | You'll have to restart. Although... if you have a fifo setup to let you talk to irssi already... you could echo the command into the socket |
| 21:37.27 | microcolonel | would it be there if I just killed irssi? |
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| 21:37.43 | Diopter | Depends on whether your config gets saved on quitting automatically or not |
| 21:37.57 | microcolonel | and no, actually, because the fifo would have the same issue with the command as I would through the keyboard |
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| 21:38.13 | microcolonel | the slash key is part of the bind |
| 21:38.27 | microcolonel | so no matter where the command comes from, the slash will be parsed |
| 21:38.29 | microcolonel | :( |
| 21:38.35 | Diopter | microcolonel: Nah, it shouldn't. The binding for the key should only affect typing in the actual processes tty |
| 21:38.41 | microcolonel | really? |
| 21:38.48 | microcolonel | wizardry, I tell ya' |
| 21:38.59 | Diopter | Otherwise, you would be able to *type* a /, and have it show up, but it wouldn't interpret it as you expect |
| 21:39.16 | Diopter | But it's not even letting it show up, so it's a readline/input issue; shouldn't be a command-parsing issue |
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| 21:40.54 | microcolonel | *sigh |
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| 21:44.23 | microcolonel | DigiDaz: thanks for disambiguating the issue |
| 21:44.45 | microcolonel | it probably would have been a few minutes before I bothered looking at the log |
| 21:44.52 | Diopter | microcolonel: Disambiguation is my middle name. They call me Dig for short. |
| 21:45.09 | microcolonel | :D |
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| 21:51.42 | acu | where I can disable the ipv6 search for routers |
| 21:52.06 | sney | !noipv6 |
| 21:52.06 | dpkg | From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 21:52.32 | acu | thanks sney |
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| 21:56.16 | markizano_werk | bah - I know this was a mistake. I'm just curious if I can make a few quick changes in /etc and it'll work like I know linux can do :) |
| 21:56.28 | markizano_werk | I installed 64-bit debian on my 32-bit machine (yes, I know I fubar'd :X) |
| 21:56.33 | markizano_werk | The installer loaded and installed fine. |
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| 21:56.37 | markizano_werk | surprisingly... O.o |
| 21:57.06 | superstraw | it was just letting you dig yourself into a hole |
| 21:57.12 | superstraw | then laughed at you |
| 21:57.20 | markizano_werk | Would i be able to fiddle with a few config files (especially in /etc/apt) and tell the system to switch over to 32-bit packages and build a custom kernel ? |
| 21:57.24 | markizano_werk | lol |
| 21:57.31 | markizano_werk | Seems Debian has been good at that as of late >_> |
| 21:57.48 | markizano_werk | I worded that wrong |
| 21:58.14 | markizano_werk | 1) Would I be able to build a kernel and tell the system to use that and 2) fiddle with files in /etc to make it use 32-bit instead. |
| 21:59.27 | phogg | markizano_werk: yes |
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| 21:59.55 | phogg | markizano_werk: are you using an all-64bit system now? |
| 21:59.56 | markizano_werk | I've not yet booted into the machine yet, so I don't think it's fully set in stone. |
| 22:00.12 | phogg | markizano_werk: you are still installing? |
| 22:00.16 | markizano_werk | phogg: Nah - the hardware is 32-bit. I just happend to have a 64-bit disk when I installed Debian. |
| 22:00.24 | markizano_werk | It's finishing up Grub :) |
| 22:00.33 | phogg | 64-bit disk? |
| 22:00.37 | phogg | is confused |
| 22:00.37 | markizano_werk | Yes :) |
| 22:00.39 | markizano_werk | lol |
| 22:00.46 | markizano_werk | 64-bit software + 32-bit hardware |
| 22:00.55 | markizano_werk | The software appears to work. |
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| 22:01.31 | phogg | markizano_werk: your hardware must be unusual or old to be 32bit only |
| 22:01.33 | _ramok | chi |
| 22:01.36 | _ramok | i mean, hi :) |
| 22:01.50 | _ramok | does anyone of you use the tool "atop" ? |
| 22:01.52 | Kizano_werk | Sorry about the nick. |
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| 22:02.06 | phogg | _ramok: cello |
| 22:02.10 | _ramok | i'm running a host machine with some virtual machines |
| 22:02.11 | phogg | _ramok: I mean hello |
| 22:02.13 | Kizano_werk | phogg: It's a Toshiba Satellite Pro SE8192. |
| 22:02.26 | Kizano_werk | i686 |
| 22:02.32 | _ramok | and atop is showing me a red line that starts with "MEM" |
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| 22:02.51 | phogg | Kizano_werk: what is the CPU? |
| 22:03.05 | Kizano_werk | phogg: Intel Core2 Duo |
| 22:03.39 | phogg | Kizano_werk: that cpu supports x86-64 |
| 22:03.47 | phogg | therefore, 64bit will work |
| 22:04.32 | Kizano_werk | o.O |
| 22:04.35 | Kizano_werk | :D |
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| 22:04.38 | Kizano_werk | Nifteh - thanks phogg :D |
| 22:04.38 | Diopter | Kizano_werk: What makes you think it's 32-bit only? |
| 22:05.05 | Kizano_werk | Diopter: I wasn't sure, actually... |
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| 22:05.23 | Kizano_werk | I didn't know there were processors that supported 32bit AND 64bit ... |
| 22:05.39 | phogg | Kizano_werk: almost every x86 processor sold in the last 5+ years is like that |
| 22:05.54 | gnarface | Kizano_werk: kerblam, welcome to 2006! |
| 22:05.58 | phogg | a few very low end ones are not, but it's typical |
| 22:06.00 | Kizano_werk | xD |
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| 22:06.42 | phogg | Kizano_werk: so congratulations, you can go all-64bit! |
| 22:06.57 | Kizano_werk | Indeed. |
| 22:06.57 | Kizano_werk | Thanks! |
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| 22:17.33 | StuckMojo | must i install 32bit debian in order to build debs for 32bit debian, or is it possible to build them on a 64bit install? |
| 22:18.13 | acu | my eth0 is down in wheezy, I tried to ip link set eth0 up but when I /etc/init.d/networking restart it does not get IP addres (v4) however it asks for IPV6 routers |
| 22:18.51 | Diopter | acu: What's your /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
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| 22:19.54 | acu | Diopter: yes I needed an bloody inet dhcp line (which was #) :) |
| 22:20.05 | Diopter | Woo |
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| 22:20.59 | acu | I am trying to install wheezy since two days on an Intel i7 Dv7 HP laptop and I cannot, now I barely got a cli, but gdm3 does not load, I use the non-free firmware version of wheezy, but no joy |
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| 22:21.19 | StuckMojo | is there a list somewhere of what's included in the various tasksel choices? |
| 22:21.31 | Diopter | StuckMojo: You can query tasksel for that |
| 22:21.32 | StuckMojo | i.e. what's in Standard Install that's not in core? |
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| 22:21.59 | StuckMojo | thanks |
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| 22:23.37 | reavengrey | hi, I'd like to get into helping to work on debian distros as a developer and bug fixer |
| 22:24.03 | reavengrey | I am good at C, C++, x86 ASM, and web languages |
| 22:24.27 | reavengrey | The reason for my interest is to get programming experience |
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| 22:24.36 | allorder | reavengrey: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 22:24.39 | reavengrey | How suitable is debian development to this foal? |
| 22:24.41 | reavengrey | *goal |
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| 22:26.47 | StuckMojo | probably pretty good, except for the c++ part |
| 22:27.06 | StuckMojo | outside of QT, there's not a lot of c++ in linux period |
| 22:27.29 | reavengrey | right |
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| 22:27.53 | reavengrey | k, so I'll look into it more then, thanks all :) |
| 22:29.34 | nvz | reavengrey: if you mean being a debian developer.. its less programming really and more just about maintaining code.. making sure it complies with debian policy, and builds/packages properly..etc |
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| 22:30.13 | reavengrey | I'm looking at getting into an exiting, challenging project that needs developers, where I can learn a moderate amount of stuff |
| 22:30.23 | reavengrey | I'm basically considering Wayland |
| 22:30.25 | reavengrey | or debian |
| 22:30.27 | nvz | not much actual development happens in debian, most all the tools are mature and arent even actively maintained really |
| 22:30.35 | reavengrey | right, I suspected that |
| 22:30.38 | reavengrey | So wayland? |
| 22:30.48 | nvz | idk what a wayland even is |
| 22:31.00 | nvz | but I think you're thinking too big if you're thinking distros |
| 22:31.01 | reavengrey | Ah, well it's a new gui server that's gaining traction now |
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| 22:31.13 | reavengrey | And it's being touted as a replacement for X |
| 22:31.22 | reavengrey | sounds really exciting and fun |
| 22:31.37 | reavengrey | So idk, I'll look into that too |
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| 22:31.55 | nvz | reavengrey: well if it interests you.. thats more the idea.. get into an actual software project.. debian is just a distribution of software.. its not really software itself |
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| 22:32.22 | nvz | reavengrey: you could do both, especially if you are doing something not currently in debian.. look into becoming a DD and package whatever you are interested in and working on for debian |
| 22:32.23 | reavengrey | right |
| 22:32.41 | reavengrey | nods, thanks, you've been really helpful |
| 22:32.43 | bardzusny | I can't wait for wayland, go there and get it delivered tomorrow |
| 22:32.49 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:33.20 | StuckMojo | reavengrey: have you looked at PostgreSQL? |
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| 22:33.34 | Siphonblast | yeah I want wayland too. |
| 22:33.39 | Siphonblast | X makes me want to punch babies. |
| 22:33.44 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 22:33.46 | reavengrey | Well, nope, but DBMS stuff deosn't sound fun lol >.> |
| 22:33.56 | StuckMojo | excellent community, some difficult problems, exciting advances made recently |
| 22:33.58 | StuckMojo | etc. |
| 22:34.22 | StuckMojo | extremely clean code, well managed... |
| 22:34.28 | Siphonblast | I wouldn't even know where to start with databases, honestly. |
| 22:34.31 | StuckMojo | however, if you don't like databases, then don't bother |
| 22:34.37 | nvz | reavengrey: you either have way too much ambition or a good bit of knowledge and experience to think about tackling something as big and complicated as something that could be considered an alternative to X11 |
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| 22:34.44 | StuckMojo | well, there are some easy things on the to-do list |
| 22:35.17 | Siphonblast | well, as in, aside from a name and the obvious concept of a database, I know nothing of databases. |
| 22:35.20 | Focalor | debian, apt-get, aptitude sms debsums are the key backbone to package management |
| 22:35.20 | Siphonblast | Is what I mean. |
| 22:35.36 | Siphonblast | apt-get <3 |
| 22:35.40 | reavengrey | nvz: I work on a hobby kernel project in my spare time, but I am in final year of my BSc and I can't walk out and look for a job in "kernel development", so I need to get experience in more general programming |
| 22:35.57 | Focalor | well I cannot type worth a monkey right now, I see |
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| 22:37.28 | nvz | reavengrey: ah.. well then I suppose a big project like that may be more suited to your needs. What I do and mind you I have no formal education on the matter, just the aptitude to be able to program, mostly I dabble and programming annoys me.. but what I do is sit in with the developers and observe for awhile see where they're at |
| 22:37.37 | Kindari | Hi guys and gals. I've been having netwroking issues, if I idle for about half an hour, eth0 disconnects. debian is configured to not sleep. I have tried keeping the network active with a cron job pinging another server every 5 minutes, which I have verified works via logging, but it continues to shut off. Ideas? |
| 22:37.55 | nvz | reavengrey: then I usually find things to discuss about the project and find somewhere I can help out |
| 22:38.38 | reavengrey | right, as long as it's satisfying :O |
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| 22:39.42 | Kindari | My /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/gd0FiMPs |
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| 22:41.09 | fasta | Is there some replacement for gs? |
| 22:41.44 | fasta | Gs is a program which still has infinite loops (in 2012!). |
| 22:42.20 | reavengrey | k, thanks, peace out |
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| 22:45.17 | Onionnion | is it just me, or is synaptic in wheezy outdated? |
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| 22:50.34 | stew | Onionnion: its one month old. there is one that is a week old in unstable that should move to testing in 3 more days |
| 22:50.39 | stew | !why is synaptic not in testing |
| 22:50.40 | dpkg | synaptic is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=synaptic |
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| 22:51.53 | nkuttler | oh, somebody fixed the script |
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| 22:54.03 | hbetts | exit |
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| 22:59.49 | iluminator105 | what you think is most linux compatible (replace android with debian or something although that lines) tablet out there, if you wanna primarily use it as a journal and reading |
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| 23:03.02 | nevyn | sparc? |
| 23:03.20 | nevyn | the kde4 thingy that aseigo was pimping for a while? |
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| 23:05.34 | Diopter | iluminator105: If you want to use it as a journal and reading device, the <insert Android device here> is the most Linux-compatible |
| 23:05.44 | Diopter | Seeing as <see above> runs Linux. |
| 23:06.06 | nevyn | not really |
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| 23:06.35 | nevyn | I'm pretty sure that stock kernel support for booting on most stuff is.. a WIP |
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| 23:06.56 | Diopter | nevyn: My point was actually that Android itself is a Linux. |
| 23:07.06 | nevyn | well it's a fork. |
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| 23:07.25 | sney | the kernel is a linux kernel but the rest is rather different |
| 23:07.28 | Diopter | Hardly. Drivers are the primary differentiation. |
| 23:07.38 | Diopter | sney: Right. Which doesn't preclude it from being a Linux. |
| 23:07.50 | Diopter | There's quite a few Linux distros that are very different userlands from more mainstream distros |
| 23:07.57 | Diopter | Especially in the embedded world |
| 23:08.27 | nevyn | the kernel is not a stock kernel |
| 23:08.47 | nevyn | the android kernel has all sorts of crack that's not in mainline linux.. (tho people are working to fix this) |
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| 23:08.57 | nevyn | in particular wakelocks |
| 23:09.05 | nevyn | is a remaining holdout |
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| 23:09.42 | iluminator105 | stock android is a spying device |
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| 23:10.23 | nevyn | splits the difference and runs CM |
| 23:11.00 | iluminator105 | nevyn, CM whats is that? |
| 23:11.06 | nevyn | cyanogenmod |
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| 23:11.17 | nevyn | it's a built from source community "distribution" of android |
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| 23:11.36 | nevyn | but it's still not DFSG free (oh so many blobs) |
| 23:13.29 | Diopter | Of course. |
| 23:13.32 | Diopter | Pretty much every driver :P |
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| 23:16.16 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 23:20.15 | dulynoted | i have a question and don't quick me as this would be completely unfair, just one simple question |
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| 23:20.56 | nevyn | Diopter: right. it sucks. |
| 23:20.59 | sney | !ask |
| 23:21.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:21.01 | dulynoted | what is a troll? i read the guidelines and it's not in there, the definition that i speak of 'troll' as i thought that was for trolling as in boating and i am confused as i have been called this unduly too many times and this needs to stop so uh could you please tell me? |
| 23:21.06 | ampharos | I recently installed squeeze, and when I rebooted to finish, I got a nice "out of disk" error. |
| 23:21.23 | dulynoted | ampharos that's because you don't have enough space |
| 23:21.25 | ampharos | grub was installed to mbr and debian into free space on /dev/sdb |
| 23:21.38 | nevyn | Diopter: it is for trolling as in fishing. |
| 23:21.38 | dulynoted | boot with your live distro and type $df |
| 23:21.49 | dulynoted | $df -h |
| 23:21.51 | sney | dulynoted: http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/18-types-of-internet-trolls |
| 23:22.05 | dulynoted | sney duly noted and thank you. |
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| 23:26.21 | ampharos | anyways, what can I do to fix my problem. I have free disk space; grub installed fine, debian instaleld fine into free space in sdb as I said |
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| 23:27.37 | ampharos | df just shows sr0 in rescue mode installer |
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| 23:28.22 | nsadmin | define "free space in sdb" |
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| 23:28.34 | bladezeroz | aint no way all there are all these rooms on this server........yet there is not anyplace for a man and woman to talk |
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| 23:29.19 | bladezeroz | 2012 ......that's all there is to do.........talk about stuff |
| 23:29.31 | ampharos | 25 GB of free space on /dev/sdb it made space in |
| 23:29.33 | bladezeroz | shouldn't be that way |
| 23:29.34 | sney | bladezeroz: try one of the other irc networks. www.searchirc.com |
| 23:29.34 | darsie | bladezeroz: Just open a query or a new channel. |
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| 23:29.54 | nsadmin | bladezeroz, right, it is unfortunate... meanwhile, welcome to debian support. how can we help you with debian today? |
| 23:30.00 | bladezeroz | there aint nothing on searchirc don't feed me that line |
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| 23:30.38 | sherl0ck | hi in linux i have a ipv4/ipv6 routes setup, when i apt-get, it uses the ipv6 route, how can i force it to use ipv4? |
| 23:30.38 | sney | "There are 456,055 people in 198,087 chatrooms right now!" <- aint nothing, apparently |
| 23:30.51 | bladezeroz | darsie....maybe you would like to stop talking about 'stuff' and initiate a chat with a guy.....it's just what 'noone' is doing at the moment |
| 23:31.05 | bladezeroz | we can be the only two |
| 23:31.11 | nsadmin | bladezeroz, if what you want is to meet women, go where they are and introduce yourself. how can we help you with debian today? |
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| 23:31.18 | darsie | bladezeroz: That's what #defocus is for. |
| 23:32.11 | ampharos | freenode a server for open-source |
| 23:32.21 | bladezeroz | there aren't any places to introduce myself to woman......I guess that's just what people in the world don't want to do for some apparant reason.....have a place for that sort of thing |
| 23:32.38 | ampharos | if you want romance, go to a different network |
| 23:32.45 | bladezeroz | there is no romance network |
| 23:32.54 | nsadmin | bladezeroz, have you perceived the hints I've been throwing your way? |
| 23:32.56 | ampharos | You're not going to find romance channels on an open-source software network |
| 23:33.04 | ampharos | EFNet probably has a meetup channel |
| 23:33.05 | dulynoted | I need everyone to know that I uh read the definitions for the science of trolls and it's rather interesting in perspective and you should all duly note that I am certainly none of those so uh if you ban me you are definately wrong in your accusations and that is a fact so I would appreciate a voice to speak as that is what we are all here for and I'm happy to be here as my name is Chas the space monkey and I'm here to stay so welcome me kin |
| 23:33.05 | dulynoted | dly I would appreciate it as this is a public forum thank you all very much as I intend to stay here day in and day out for a very long time! |
| 23:33.19 | sney | !ops bladezeroz and dulynoted |
| 23:33.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: bladezeroz and dulynoted |
| 23:33.33 | bladezeroz | so I mean people are just here to use to their time on this stuff all day....but not initiate man and woman contact |
| 23:33.34 | dulynoted | sney |
| 23:33.41 | dulynoted | "We'll look into it": |
| 23:33.41 | dulynoted | By the time the wheels make a full turn, we |
| 23:33.41 | dulynoted | assume you will have forgotten about it, too. |
| 23:33.45 | dulynoted | that is /usr/bin/fortune |
| 23:33.48 | dulynoted | do not ban |
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| 23:33.58 | sney | don't want ban? don't be an idiot |
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| 23:34.15 | themill | dulynoted, bladezeroz: perhaps you were looking for #defocus |
| 23:34.30 | ampharos | If we wanted to talk to the opposite gender intimately, we'd go to a bar |
| 23:34.39 | themill | sney: thanks |
| 23:34.42 | sney | np |
| 23:34.47 | ampharos | IRC might help you talk to a man pretending to be a woman |
| 23:35.00 | sney | (I met my wife on IRC. but it wasn't in a software support channel.) |
| 23:35.33 | ampharos | Romance at first fsck |
| 23:35.35 | marienz | themill: please don't redirect people to #defocus who'll then end up removed from it within minutes (#defocus isn't a dating channel much more than #debian is) |
| 23:36.07 | sney | better to redirect them to #debian-women on oftc so they'll be k-lined |
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| 23:37.25 | mentor | Can those remaining in the channel please re-engage their brains also? |
| 23:37.43 | ampharos | OK; grub out of hd, hd is perfectly fine |
| 23:38.19 | ampharos | debian is on /dev/sdb, and grub is on the mbr of /dev/sda, of which is taken by an NTFS partition |
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| 23:48.08 | nsadmin | ampharos, sda/sdb isn |
| 23:48.13 | nsadmin | t enough information |
| 23:48.27 | nsadmin | what partition specifically? |
| 23:48.43 | nvz | was there even a question or issue in there? heh.. I ran into a parse error trying to even comprehend what he was on about |
| 23:48.57 | nvz | seemed like he said there is an ntfs partition in his mbr.. |
| 23:49.11 | ampharos | /dev/sda is all ntfs (4 GB disk) |
| 23:49.12 | sney | it was an earlier question before the trolls |
| 23:49.17 | ampharos | and the grub mbr |
| 23:49.32 | ampharos | /dev/sdb is 40 GB disk: 15 GB fat32, the rest is ext3 and swap |
| 23:49.41 | nvz | ampharos: /dev/sda is a disk.. if its all ntfs you have no mbr, no partition table.. nothing |
| 23:49.45 | sney | ampharos: can you run 'fdisk -l' as root and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 23:50.58 | ampharos | I'm in rescue mode in the installer |
| 23:51.00 | nsadmin | grub is going to be harder to install if the os it's booting is not in a partition since it needs the chainload area |
| 23:51.06 | ampharos | and ircing on a seperate PC |
| 23:51.27 | nsadmin | is there a partition on sda? |
| 23:52.24 | ampharos | yes |
| 23:52.31 | nsadmin | its name? |
| 23:52.32 | ampharos | let me take a picture... |
| 23:52.50 | nsadmin | of fdisk -l /dev/sda, that would be good |
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| 23:54.00 | ampharos | I did both partitions |
| 23:54.46 | nsadmin | ok, take your time |
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| 23:57.14 | ampharos | http://i.imgur.com/aRN27.jpg |
| 23:58.01 | nsadmin | oh, so you do have sda1 |
| 23:58.07 | sney | wow, that disk is tiny |
| 23:58.31 | ampharos | it was the only disk that the bios wanted to boot from |
| 23:58.42 | ampharos | others just got me error loading operating system |
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| 23:59.06 | ampharos | it ran windows fine once I punched the C/H/S of the little disk, and it could read the big disk fine |
| 23:59.38 | nsadmin | does grub boot from sda? |
| 23:59.59 | ampharos | Grub boots into rescue mode. |
