| 00:01.24 | trysten | grateful* |
| 00:01.28 | Bluefoxicy | because the Minix and DragonflyBSD kernels are more interesting to me than Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and OpenBSD :p |
| 00:01.31 | trysten | has grateing grammar |
| 00:01.51 | abrotman | Bluefoxicy: what does all of this have to do with Debian ? |
| 00:02.04 | nsadmin | Bluefoxicy, ohh, you actually want to run debian under that kernel... ok, I get it now |
| 00:02.17 | Bluefoxicy | nothing at all, I was just looking for where to start to build a base system that's actually half useful to run on this kernel. |
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| 00:02.29 | Bluefoxicy | anyway, I'm out |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | that was productive .. |
| 00:03.17 | dvs | !next |
| 00:03.17 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 00:03.49 | dondelelcaro | trysten: no worries; glad that you figured it out |
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| 00:07.24 | Cyclohexane | anyone have any experience with oidentd? |
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| 00:08.13 | nsadmin | Cyclohexane, works better if you describe your experience and the problem(s) you're having |
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| 00:11.50 | Cyclohexane | nsadmin: simple - it won't do its job |
| 00:12.08 | nsadmin | ok, can you give more details? |
| 00:12.32 | nsadmin | did you install from apt/aptitude? |
| 00:12.33 | Cyclohexane | configure /etc/oidentd.conf user shell-user { blah } etc.. restart it |
| 00:12.48 | Cyclohexane | i already had it installed working with other accounts |
| 00:12.53 | Cyclohexane | i tried to add another account to it |
| 00:13.03 | Cyclohexane | and it simply won't work over irc (for the new account) |
| 00:13.52 | nsadmin | so irc would claim what. when it looks for identd? |
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| 00:14.16 | Cyclohexane | it just uses the shell account name |
| 00:14.36 | nsadmin | and what you want it to do is? |
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| 00:14.44 | Cyclohexane | use the sbnc account name |
| 00:15.07 | nsadmin | which is in that configuration stanza for oidentd? |
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| 00:15.38 | nsadmin | what's sbnc? |
| 00:15.53 | Cyclohexane | http://wiki.shroudbnc.info/en/oidentd |
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| 00:19.44 | nsadmin | have you used ~you/.oidentd.conf? |
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| 00:20.39 | Cyclohexane | mm |
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| 00:22.10 | nsadmin | or, did you put all the config in the global? (it shouldn't matter, but it would be good to know which) |
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| 00:23.45 | nsadmin | while you're thinking about that, I'm going for some errands |
| 00:23.50 | cardamon | Anyone know what the difference in aptitude is between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade? man page just says that full-upgrade is just less conservative than safe-upgrade. |
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| 00:24.42 | dvs | cardamon: safe-upgrade will only upgrade already installed packages. full-upgrade will pull in new packages if necessary. |
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| 00:25.35 | cardamon | dvs: Ah, that's a much better explanation. |
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| 00:25.59 | abrotman | or remove them |
| 00:26.06 | dvs | that too |
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| 00:31.42 | gnarface | won't safe-upgrade like, not update the kernel too? |
| 00:32.08 | gnarface | or am i mistaken about that? |
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| 00:33.48 | Cyclohexane | what permissions should /home/* be? |
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| 00:34.08 | gnarface | 0700 if you want security |
| 00:34.56 | gnarface | the default 0755 allows everyone to read each other's shit. |
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| 00:35.27 | Cyclohexane | i changed it and fucked up software access to config files |
| 00:35.39 | Cyclohexane | chmod -R 755 /home/* right? |
| 00:36.01 | gnarface | no no |
| 00:36.04 | gnarface | you don't want recursion |
| 00:36.10 | gnarface | that will change stuff IN the home directories too |
| 00:36.20 | gnarface | take off the -R |
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| 00:37.33 | gnarface | but you do want /home itself to also be 0755 or nobody can get into their own directories |
| 00:37.47 | gnarface | make sure /home is owned by root:root and the home directories themselves are owned by their own users |
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| 00:53.31 | dvs | gnarface: ??? |
| 00:53.47 | dvs | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 14 2010 home |
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| 00:55.43 | abrotman | dvs: the -R |
| 00:56.01 | dvs | can't read today |
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| 01:01.19 | Rayman65 | hallo can yuo read me? |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:02.17 | Rayman65 | my prog say no contact |
| 01:02.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:02.51 | Rayman65 | im from german |
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| 01:03.06 | sideup66 | hey room |
| 01:03.16 | Rayman65 | just in time i stay |
| 01:03.20 | sideup66 | anyone know how to allow anyone to reboot the machine in debian squeeze |
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| 01:03.49 | craigevil | sideup66, make sure your user is in the powerdev group |
| 01:03.54 | Rayman65 | frankfurt |
| 01:03.56 | sideup66 | i notice that if another account happens to be active it will ask me to enter the root pass to reboot the system, any way to disable that lock (it will be a server to its sensible to make it do that.) |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | sideup66: shutdown.allow is one method |
| 01:04.20 | sideup66 | craigevil: will that affect from the greeter screen |
| 01:04.58 | sideup66 | abrotman: hello again, by the way the problem last night seemed to be windows 7 in a virtual machine being stupid, debian was doing just fine with 7 authentication out of the box ;) |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | sideup66: oh, awesome :) |
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| 01:06.04 | sideup66 | abrotman: yes for some reason it would not allow me to copy/paste my passwords into the field but if typed they work, its authenticated via batch scripts anyways which work fine |
| 01:06.07 | sideup66 | so im not losing sleep :) |
| 01:06.28 | abrotman | i should hope ont |
| 01:06.47 | sideup66 | abrotman: so system.allow in what? gconf? |
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| 01:07.03 | kevlarman | how long is ia32-libs going to stick around? |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | sideup66: is this with gnome? |
| 01:07.48 | sideup66 | abrotman: yes, debian build is squeeze, 6.x |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | sideup66: craigevil's solution is probably smarter .. also make sure your gdmsetup allows users to do that |
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| 01:08.26 | kevlarman | the libXi in ia32-libs is apparently too old to work with the current X in testing |
| 01:08.50 | sideup66 | abrotman: where would i check the gdmsetup at? not to be that guy with 17 questions... |
| 01:09.02 | kevlarman | anything 32 bit using XIQueryDevice will crash atm |
| 01:09.31 | kevlarman | installing libxi6:i386 seems to work around the issue, but if ia32-libs is going to be around for much longer it should probably get updated |
| 01:10.09 | sideup66 | craigevil: powerdev group is mia in my system |
| 01:10.21 | sideup66 | i do have a plugdev however |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | sideup66: gdmsetup is a program to run |
| 01:12.20 | sideup66 | abrotman: oh ok yeah you can prob smell me reeking with linux-noob :/ |
| 01:12.48 | abrotman | oh, he spelled it with two Os |
| 01:13.13 | sideup66 | umm i only have a logon screen there, nothing else, but how to configure the login |
| 01:13.28 | sideup66 | which is auto to my account (running teamviewer out to remote it when I need to occasionally ;) ) |
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| 01:15.29 | abrotman | it's a program you run, from the shell |
| 01:15.41 | sideup66 | abrotman, i know |
| 01:15.42 | sideup66 | i did |
| 01:16.15 | sideup66 | just get a system dialog box, stating what to do when the logon screen loads |
| 01:16.30 | sideup66 | and i have it logging into an account automagically |
| 01:16.33 | sideup66 | but thats all i can really set |
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| 01:17.00 | sideup66 | apart from adding a 30 second or whatever delay for other people to log in |
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| 01:19.12 | sideup66 | no option to change restart options... |
| 01:19.23 | abrotman | are you using GDM ? |
| 01:19.39 | sideup66 | id think so, its installed |
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| 01:20.40 | abrotman | kind of important |
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| 01:21.41 | abrotman | sideup66: are you using gdm or gdm3? |
| 01:21.41 | sideup66 | well yeah i know, im checking somthing i know gdm3 is installed as it uses the gnome interface, if that is in bed with xorg, that can be a problem as my system uses the proprietary nvidia driver... |
| 01:22.08 | sideup66 | gdm3 |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | maybe try it with gdm instead |
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| 01:22.56 | sideup66 | all gdm does is a greeter? |
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| 01:24.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | the gdm.conf or gdm3.conf should have that optoin |
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| 01:25.33 | sideup66_ | sorry i got kicked off playing with the restart button :x |
| 01:25.40 | sideup66_ | anywho so all that is is a greeter? |
| 01:26.12 | abrotman | oh, we gave you the solution while you were messing with stuff |
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| 01:26.31 | dalias | is there any way to have apt-get update work by rsync instead of the hideously slow pdiff system? |
| 01:26.37 | sideup66_ | what was it... |
| 01:26.48 | sideup66_ | sorry to be demanding |
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| 01:27.48 | sideup66_ | lol there goes my old user |
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| 01:27.55 | sideup66_ | :p |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | dalias: you can turn off pdiff completely, download full files each time ? |
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| 01:28.43 | abrotman | sideup66_: did you try adding your user to the plugdev group ? |
| 01:28.53 | sideup66_ | abrotman: it didnt exist in there |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | you said it did ? |
| 01:29.28 | sideup66_ | no it didnt, mustve misread unless i mistyped |
| 01:29.33 | dalias | abrotman, i did that at one point in the past, but it was always a toss-up for which was slower |
| 01:30.20 | sideup66_ | i found it |
| 01:30.21 | sideup66_ | oops |
| 01:30.23 | dalias | does apt-get's http backend use keepalive? |
| 01:30.27 | sideup66_ | :/ ugh why didnt it show before |
| 01:30.35 | dalias | if not, i bet that's a big part of why pdiff is so slow... |
| 01:30.44 | sideup66_ | abrotman: yup im in there |
| 01:31.03 | dalias | new connection handshake for each pdiff is more overhead time than the actual transfer |
| 01:32.15 | sideup66_ | and the other command as stated had nowhere to set controls for such a thing |
| 01:34.28 | sideup66_ | i think the setting can actually be changed in consolekit |
| 01:34.33 | sideup66_ | not sure where to start there however |
| 01:34.46 | abrotman | sideup66_: got it ? |
| 01:35.04 | sideup66_ | why does linux insist on a atrocity like the windows registry :( im fixing someones box where they trashed that |
| 01:35.26 | sideup66_ | abrotman: nope no command in there to do that, but when shutdown it pressed it lists a console kit policy that i think i can modify |
| 01:35.29 | sideup66_ | just not sure how |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | this sounds way too complicated |
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| 01:37.13 | sideup66_ | it makes it sound like a simple boolean switch however |
| 01:37.22 | dalias | sideup66_, don't blame linux. blame freedesktop.org |
| 01:37.29 | dalias | they're the idiots imposing all this crap on everybody |
| 01:37.53 | nsadmin | -what did they do? |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | dalias: you dn't hve to use X |
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| 01:38.11 | dalias | abrotman, exactly. that's why i said don't blame linux... |
| 01:38.11 | sideup66_ | ....the registry was just a stupid idea, guy im workin for killed his system once the idea of a registry "cleaner" got into his head |
| 01:38.28 | sideup66_ | ah blamed the wrong guys |
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| 01:39.22 | dalias | the idea of a registry appeals to you if you want to write unified tools that can piddle around with the settings for all sorts of things in a programmatic manner |
| 01:39.38 | dalias | this is why desktop environment integration type people love it |
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| 01:39.55 | dalias | it makes their job (configuration/integration of look and feel, etc.) easier |
| 01:40.05 | sideup66_ | ah so it does have its points |
| 01:40.06 | dalias | at the cost of making hell for everyone else |
| 01:40.48 | dalias | i can't stand it |
| 01:41.04 | abrotman | anyway .. back to Debian |
| 01:41.19 | dalias | every time i upgrade, i have to worry about if my bluetooth network device is going to disappear and if/when it will come back... |
| 01:41.32 | dalias | and i've NEVER figured out where the configuration is actually stored... |
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| 01:41.55 | n-iCe | any idea? /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. |
| 01:41.58 | n-iCe | what is that folder |
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| 01:42.19 | sideup66_ | abrotman: so how could i set in general the login greeter to have permission to reboot the stupid thing |
| 01:42.31 | dalias | i think it's supposed to be a link to the kernel source, if you have it installed... |
| 01:42.36 | dalias | but i may be mistaken |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | sideup66_: really, gdmsetup should do this! |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | sideup66_: how did you install gnome ? |
| 01:43.53 | sideup66_ | abrotman: from the debian install cd when installing I selected install graphical desktop environment |
| 01:44.05 | sideup66_ | so it autoloaded at installtime, and im wondering now if gdm is missing somthing |
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| 01:44.20 | abrotman | sideup66_: aptitude install gnome xorg |
| 01:44.21 | dudley | Is madwifi still in the testing repo? |
| 01:44.24 | abrotman | make sure it's all installed |
| 01:44.27 | dudley | I'm reading here, that it's not. |
| 01:44.32 | nvz | well if you had only cd1, then you didnt get all of gnome, thats for sure |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | dudley: so you'd use ath5k ? |
| 01:44.56 | dudley | If Ath5k works for my card. WG311T |
| 01:45.25 | nvz | cd1 "desktop install" weighs in around 1.6gb where as doing apt-get install gnome via internet weighs in at like 2.8gb |
| 01:45.35 | sideup66_ | i did take some nonessential stuff out of gnome |
| 01:45.43 | sideup66_ | i do see gnome core listed |
| 01:45.45 | sideup66_ | ll load that |
| 01:45.50 | sideup66_ | others are just toplevel applications |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | dudley: yes, it hsould |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | sideup66_: no really, aptitude install gnome xorg |
| 01:47.10 | sideup66_ | fine its going... :P |
| 01:49.12 | sideup66_ | ok is loaded, run that command again? |
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| 01:49.28 | abrotman | restart your gdm, relogin |
| 01:49.41 | sideup66_ | ok ill brb |
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| 01:52.51 | sideup66 | ok rebooted to reload ( i know theirs a command, just rebooted anyways) same thing in that window, yes its gdm 3 |
| 01:53.34 | sideup66 | if i go to about gnome from system it states its version 2.30.2 |
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| 01:53.55 | Milos | So I typed apt-get install lighttpd and it installs apache, why? |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | sideup66: no better at all? |
| 01:55.31 | sideup66 | abrotman: nope |
| 01:55.41 | sideup66 | what should my dialog show if its correct? |
| 01:55.41 | abrotman | sideup66: grep "dev" /etc/groups |
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| 01:56.25 | sideup66 | no such file... |
| 01:56.29 | nvz | Milos: it should not have, perhaps you seen it install apache2-utils |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | sideup66: /etc/group |
| 01:57.19 | Milos | nvz, http://dpaste.com/753619/ |
| 01:57.22 | Milos | nvz, is it because of php5? |
| 01:58.09 | sideup66 | plugdev:x:46:serveradmin,apps,laptopdad,laptopmom,natalie,vincent netdev:x:106:serveradmin |
| 01:58.24 | sideup66 | thats what i get and serveradmin is the autologin (all other users are samba) |
| 01:58.49 | nvz | Milos: yes, php5 is a metapackage that pulls in libapache2-mod-php which pulls in apache2 |
| 01:59.00 | Milos | well how do I install it for lighttpd only? |
| 01:59.23 | abrotman | sideup66: which one are you in "plugdev" ? |
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| 02:00.08 | sideup66 | serveradmin |
| 02:00.15 | abrotman | sure .. why not :) |
| 02:00.42 | nvz | Milos: php5-cgi package which is one of many dependencies of the php5 metapackage |
| 02:00.59 | Milos | ah, I seeee! thank you |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | sideup66: try installing gdm instead of gdm3 |
| 02:01.28 | sideup66 | ok does that affect gfx drivers by any chance |
| 02:01.34 | nvz | Milos: no problem.. I don't know squat about php, this was easily figured out using packages.debian.org |
| 02:01.37 | abrotman | sideup66: make sure that gnome-power-manager is running |
| 02:01.40 | sideup66 | reason im asking is because this machines drivers gave me hell for no reason |
| 02:01.50 | abrotman | sideup66: or even installed |
| 02:01.55 | Milos | nvz, ahh right, thanks, I will definitely use that more, sorry for the simple question |
| 02:02.55 | nvz | Milos: not a problem, but googling "lighttpd php5 debian squeeze" also answered it.. I dont mind easy questions.. allows me to walk off and not feel like I left someone hanging when I can solve em quick |
| 02:03.07 | Milos | Aw :) |
| 02:03.21 | sideup66 | abrotman: hanks for help so far, service is alive and well |
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| 02:04.02 | abrotman | sideup66: it is running and set to start when you login? |
| 02:04.46 | nvz | Milos: you just get those philosophers in here who talk about teaching a man to fish and all that.. so I figured since the problem was easy I'd tell you how I solved it too. .heh |
| 02:05.09 | Milos | Thank you I appreciate it! |
| 02:05.14 | sideup66 | abrotman: that it is as well |
| 02:05.30 | sideup66 | abrotman: i also note this is gonna take gnome off, umm i need gnome.. |
| 02:06.14 | sideup66 | ok im switching the default to gdm instead of gdm3 |
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| 02:06.19 | sideup66 | ill find out what happens... |
| 02:06.26 | sideup66 | be right back, lemme restart the services again |
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| 02:08.08 | sideup66 | restarting, fingers crossed |
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| 02:12.33 | sideup66 | ok back |
| 02:12.41 | sideup66 | and wow the options are totally different |
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| 02:13.37 | sideup66 | let me test the button |
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| 02:16.49 | debmac | Would it be hard to install Debian as the only OS on a MacBook Pro? |
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| 02:17.33 | sideup66_ | woo! that worked as default :D |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | blames gdm3 |
| 02:18.11 | sideup66_ | now to set the autologin in there thanks abrotman |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | why would you want that? |
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| 02:19.18 | debmac | Anyone? |
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| 02:20.23 | sideup66_ | what would perfect this is to have a reboot/shutdown button in my lock screen so there is no jumping back and forth :D |
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| 02:22.01 | craigevil | so add a button |
| 02:22.21 | snuff-work | is there a way to mount nfs shares from the debian cd when in 'rescue mode' ? |
| 02:22.27 | gnarface | debmac: typically no, although you'll run into less problems if its not a ppc mac |
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| 02:22.53 | debmac | gnarface: It's not. |
| 02:23.11 | sideup66_ | to the lock screen? |
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| 02:24.40 | abrotman | gnarface: macbook is x86, powerbook is ppc |
| 02:25.45 | gnarface | debmac: the problems you're likely to run into are the same problems with any laptop then really; you'll want to know more about the specific make&model of your internal hardware, especially the ethernet/wifi cards and video card, as these may require manual configuration after installation to work optimally and the documentation to do so is typically device specific, not machine specific |
| 02:25.57 | gnarface | oh well |
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| 02:26.56 | sideup66_ | oh well they click switch user |
| 02:27.00 | sideup66_ | then go to session>rebot |
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| 02:27.31 | sideup66_ | im sorry action>restart |
| 02:27.38 | sideup66_ | i used basic, looks normal with the weird resolutions i get |
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| 02:28.50 | sideup66_ | thanks again abrotman and for putting up with my noobness |
| 02:29.00 | sideup66_ | i want to test the autologin, ill be right back |
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| 02:36.06 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | Piggy: wb! |
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| 02:38.09 | ragnar76 | i'm about to configure a dhcpd. is there any option to bind dhcpd to eth0 only? |
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| 02:39.15 | nsadmin | yes, in fact you have to write subnet stanzas that cover each subnet (which might each be bound to a different subnet) |
| 02:39.32 | nsadmin | do you have a gateway? |
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| 02:40.00 | ragnar76 | nsadmin: yes, i have at eth2 |
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| 02:40.30 | sideup66 | ok well it seems to work, thanks guys:) |
| 02:40.36 | nsadmin | err different q: is the box with the different interfaces your gw? |
| 02:40.50 | sideup66 | also from the job im doing a word to the wise to people totell clients in comp industry or note for yourself |
| 02:40.59 | nsadmin | let me get you started while you consider these |
| 02:41.18 | sideup66 | if you dont understand somthing, if its over your head, you dont get it, ask. learn..find out what needs to be done before you mess with it |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | sideup66: congrats :) |
| 02:41.34 | ragnar76 | nsadmin: yes it is |
| 02:42.00 | sideup66 | abrotman: thanks! my server is basically done now |
| 02:42.16 | nsadmin | ok, and which dhcp server did you want? dhcp3? |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | ragnar76: yes, the dhcpd conf file has a method to have it only listen on one interface |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | sideup66: except it runs gnome? with autologin? :) |
| 02:43.03 | ragnar76 | nsadmin: even here, yes. the only one i've found in the repos |
| 02:43.29 | ragnar76 | abrotman: it looks like it is documented very well then ;) |
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| 02:43.39 | abrotman | ragnar76: is that sarcasm? |
| 02:43.42 | nsadmin | ok, you should install it, and then start reading man 5 dhcpd.conf |
| 02:43.50 | ragnar76 | abrotman: bazinga |
| 02:43.54 | sideup66 | abrotman: yeah, i know its lame but im still beginner limping a bit, i know a good one uses the shell |
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| 02:44.48 | sideup66 | abrotman: autologin is used for a remote desktop app, the screensaver lock will be set to about 1 min |
| 02:45.24 | nsadmin | ragnar76, the first example (in figure 1) has only subnet stanzas, not interface... |
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| 02:46.21 | abrotman | ragnar76: though i should perhaps ask .. are all the network devices plugged into the same switch as the dhcp clients? |
| 02:47.04 | sideup66 | abrotman: its also a home network |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | home? network? |
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| 02:47.37 | abrotman | ragnar76: if you look at the /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server (i think that's the file), you may see an option for DHCPD args ? |
| 02:47.42 | ragnar76 | abrotman: no. the box i have to configure get it's ip from another dhcpd. it should act as a gw between 2 networks |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 02:48.31 | ragnar76 | abrotman: that the point i was looking for |
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| 02:48.41 | abrotman | ragnar76: was that the correct file? |
| 02:48.50 | ragnar76 | abrotman: yes it is |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | ragnar76: good luck! |
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| 02:49.05 | abrotman | ragnar76: i think the man page for the actual dhcpd covers that, not the dhcpd.conf |
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| 02:49.52 | abrotman | ragnar76: http://linux.die.net/man/8/dhcpd |
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| 02:50.26 | abrotman | ugh |
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| 02:51.00 | sideup66 | what happen? |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | seriously ... |
| 02:51.10 | ragnar76 | abrotman: my thought was, similar to apache, it is in the config file |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | ragnar76: different config file?! :) |
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| 02:52.47 | ragnar76 | abrotman: yes, i liked the giant config files. not the splitted one these days |
| 02:53.14 | sideup66 | did the server just fart 5 mins ago? |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | ragnar76: well, that file is really daemon options .. not a true config file |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | sideup66: no, i'm trying to keep JNSamuel from cycling |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | i think he's done though |
| 02:53.35 | JNSamuel | ? |
| 02:53.39 | ragnar76 | however, see how it works |
| 02:53.41 | JNSamuel | ... |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | JNSamuel: you just quit and joined about 10 times |
| 02:53.51 | JNSamuel | how can you keep me from cycling? |
| 02:53.55 | sideup66 | abrotman:oh |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | by banning you ? |
| 02:54.01 | JNSamuel | that is not my fault. |
| 02:54.02 | sideup66 | :/ |
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| 02:54.07 | abrotman | JNSamuel: yes, it is, it's your client doing it |
| 02:54.17 | JNSamuel | correction, that is my connection |
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| 02:54.45 | sideup66 | ooo abrotman has root :D.... |
| 02:54.46 | nsadmin | ragnar76, still looking for an interface spec for dhcpd.conf, haven't found it yet, and the man page is pretty long. if it's not present, you can use the subnet that's on the interface to identify it |
| 02:54.59 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's already solved .. |
| 02:55.06 | craigevil | is it better to use "stable" or the release name when running stable |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | craigevil: release name |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | craigevil: using "stable" can lead to "surprise" upgrades when the next version is released |
| 02:55.36 | nsadmin | then I want to know the solution he picked |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | he did'nt "pick" |
| 02:55.48 | ragnar76 | nsadmin: it's solved. the option i wass looking for was hidden in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server |
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| 02:56.18 | nsadmin | ragnar76, oh ok, did you have to change it? |
| 02:56.28 | sideup66 | for whatever reason gnome doesnt like having my teamviewer install in there :/ yet gdebi loaded it |
| 02:56.30 | ragnar76 | yes, to eth0 |
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| 02:56.46 | nsadmin | oh, it's the only setting in that file |
| 02:56.49 | sideup66 | no problem re adding it |
| 02:56.56 | sideup66 | just stupid stuff |
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| 02:58.08 | sideup66 | i had more of an opinionated ? anyway, i was thinking with my home server its probably better just to let it run all the time (not sleep or anything) but wont it also wear out the hd faster? |
| 02:58.18 | sideup66 | while its running like that its totally idle |
| 02:58.29 | nsadmin | ragnar76, thanks for letting me know... now, what does /etc/init.d/dhcp do with it... |
| 02:59.01 | sideup66 | would it be wiser to figure why this thing doesnt sleep and make it sleep when idle? |
| 02:59.08 | ragnar76 | nsadmin: looks like it's a command option at startup |
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| 02:59.30 | abrotman | sideup66: it's a server? |
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| 02:59.47 | craigevil | abrotman, you wouldnt by chance know of a doc that explains why you should use the release name? |
| 02:59.52 | sideup66 | abrotman: home server, hosts samba, upnp right now, might add to it later |
| 02:59.57 | abrotman | craigevil: i just told you! |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | craigevil: really, surprise upgrades are awful |
| 03:00.27 | sideup66 | abrotman: i may add more stuff when im not in school and have time to play with it |
| 03:00.28 | craigevil | lol i know why , trying to put together a forum post explaining it to someone |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | craigevil: explain what would happen if wheezy were to release, and they were pointing at stable .. things begin to get half upgraded to wheezy, the system is now in some limbo state, half oldstable/stable .. |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | craigevil: things may become unpredictable as those pieces are upgraded haphazardly |
| 03:01.39 | g0dfrey | Jurkki: versions iceweasel |
| 03:01.42 | craigevil | nice |
| 03:01.49 | g0dfrey | Judd: versions iceweasel |
| 03:01.50 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.4esr-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; sid: 10.0.4esr-3; experimental: 12.0-7 |
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| 03:02.03 | abrotman | craigevil: and if your normal method is to run dist-upgrade/full-upgrade, that upgrade will happen in full without reading release notes .. who knows the results |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | g0dfrey: /msg judd foo |
| 03:02.14 | sideup66 | abrotman: my system i dont think will sleep anyway as its running on mediatomb for upnp |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | craigevil: make sense? |
| 03:02.59 | g0dfrey | abrotman: what's judd? |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | g0dfrey: the bot you just talked to?! |
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| 03:03.17 | abrotman | g0dfrey: /msg dpkg versions iceweasel |
| 03:03.19 | g0dfrey | abrotman: what can it do? |
| 03:03.21 | sideup66 | *abrotman beats sideup66 to it |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | gives up |
| 03:03.40 | sideup66 | echo *abrotman beats sideup66 to it* |
| 03:03.47 | sideup66 | ugh how do you do that |
| 03:03.55 | abrotman | sideup66: /me foo |
| 03:04.04 | craigevil | yes thanks |
| 03:04.15 | sideup66 | foo bangs head against wall |
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| 03:04.20 | abrotman | sideup66: not sure which IRC client you're using .. but most work with that |
| 03:04.27 | abrotman | sideup66: yes, like that |
| 03:04.29 | sideup66 | abrotman: that worked |
| 03:04.40 | sideup66 | abrotman: so its probably better to let this thing run |
| 03:05.01 | abrotman | sideup66: depends .. you can also have power settings power down the drives,etc when not in use .. enter a lower CPU usage state |
| 03:05.47 | sideup66 | abrotman: i see, main thing was my old build (windoze) had a drive fail prematurely but i had an activity that was pretty I/O intense |
| 03:05.54 | sideup66 | that i think did it in |
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| 03:06.43 | sideup66 | abrotman: i do have that set |
| 03:07.12 | sideup66 | abrotman: i think the system has trouble as i said before because of upnp, my uncle has a mybook appliance plauged by the same thing, wont sleep with upnp on |
| 03:07.22 | sideup66 | its underpinning is slackware i believe |
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| 03:07.25 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:07.31 | asarch | Where is busybox on testing? |
| 03:07.56 | Jaggz- | anyone here familiar with routers and network security/attacks? someone's been attacking my server for a few days and I'm wondering if they might have corrupted our router |
| 03:08.03 | Jaggz- | in terms of network security |
| 03:08.09 | Jaggz- | or our switch |
| 03:08.30 | sideup66 | jaggz: have they gotten in |
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| 03:08.44 | nsadmin | asarch pretty sure busybox is just used in the installer |
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| 03:09.17 | asarch | I wonder why the installer can't find it |
| 03:09.19 | ragnar76 | hm, somethings wrong "No subnet declaration for eth0 (no IPv4 addresses)." |
| 03:09.23 | abrotman | nsadmin: no it's not |
| 03:09.34 | abrotman | asarch: you're using the testing installer, currently busted |
| 03:09.41 | abrotman | asarch: use the stable installer, upgrade to testing |
| 03:09.56 | asarch | Oh |
| 03:11.01 | sideup66 | config is done! :D |
| 03:11.03 | nsadmin | , v busybox |
| 03:11.04 | judd | Package: busybox on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.10.2-2; squeeze: 1:1.17.1-8; sid: 1:1.19.3-7; wheezy: 1:1.19.3-7; experimental: 1:1.20.0-2 |
| 03:11.13 | abrotman | only in the installer eh ... |
| 03:11.30 | nsadmin | , rdepends busybox |
| 03:11.37 | g0dfrey | ,v iceweasel |
| 03:11.38 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.4esr-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; sid: 10.0.4esr-3; experimental: 12.0-7 |
| 03:11.45 | abrotman | g0dfrey: msg the bot |
| 03:11.53 | abrotman | nsadmin: you could do that too .. |
| 03:11.54 | g0dfrey | abrotman: OK |
| 03:11.59 | abrotman | g0dfrey: thank you |
| 03:12.32 | sideup66 | people use iceweasel? |
| 03:12.47 | abrotman | sure, why not? |
| 03:12.51 | sideup66 | i just got done with it because it just seemed so crippled that i just loaded firefox |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | sideup66: you should have probably checked mozilla.debian.net first |
| 03:13.06 | sideup66 | i think i went for plugins and it was seen as ancient firefox |
| 03:13.07 | stew | its the same as firefox |
| 03:13.12 | stew | besides artwork |
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| 03:13.26 | sideup66 | i know it is firefox essentially, just an old version |
| 03:13.31 | abrotman | sideup66: you should have probably checked mozilla.debian.net first |
| 03:13.46 | sideup66 | i found a project that adds a synaptic repo essentially giving me ubuntu's firefox |
| 03:13.50 | stew | old versions of iceweaswel are old versions of firefox. new versions of iceweasel are new versions of firefox |
| 03:13.53 | g0dfrey | sideup66: old in squeeze only |
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| 03:14.10 | sideup66 | g0dfrey: so wheezy has the latest one then |
| 03:14.12 | stew | sideup66: you should not install packages compiled for ubuntu onto debian |
| 03:14.17 | abrotman | sideup66: you should have probably checked mozilla.debian.net first |
| 03:14.27 | sideup66 | abrotman: why |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | sideup66: check it and see .. |
| 03:14.35 | g0dfrey | sideup66: esr one |
| 03:14.37 | sideup66 | and stew why not? |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | sideup66: ubuntu and Debian are not hte same distro, packages meant for one rarely work on the other |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | or work well |
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| 03:15.30 | nsadmin | unless the libs are the same, which is often not the case |
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| 03:15.48 | sideup66 | i see, i did cheat on a few packages and so far got away with it, what I did was essentially find the debian equivalencies for the ubuntu dependenancies and things went smoothly |
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| 03:16.02 | abrotman | for now ... |
| 03:16.04 | stew | sideup66: because the ubuntu maintainer could very well be making assumptions that are not valid for your debian install. upgrading packages in the future may have problems as debian mainatiners are not expecting their upgrade scripts to be run when upgrading from a ubuntu package |
| 03:16.30 | sideup66 | all the repo I added is is a repo that takes stock firefox and packages it up in deb |
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| 03:16.46 | abrotman | for ubuntu, not debian .. |
| 03:16.52 | nsadmin | sideup66, you may have to choose one or the other... meanwhile, keep your system backed, and your data (separately) backed up until you do decide |
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| 03:17.12 | stew | when the debian maintainer (who is also an upstream firefox contributor) is preparing packages specifically for your debian install, this is bound to be a better alternative |
| 03:17.47 | nsadmin | the other fragment of that, is it's going to be really hard to help you in the case nondebian packages are differently influencing your system |
| 03:17.49 | sideup66 | i know, one of the apps i stole from ubuntu is slated to go into wheezy |
| 03:17.53 | sideup66 | so it had support libraries |
| 03:17.57 | sideup66 | as they are porting it |
| 03:18.00 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 03:18.41 | sideup66 | so i figured it would be a smooth switch and the firefox well is stock firefox ported over |
| 03:19.45 | sideup66 | if i get a doomsday mess, restore backup then remove the ubuntu packages |
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| 03:19.47 | sideup66 | which are only 2 |
| 03:20.01 | dvs | and it's dependencies |
| 03:20.06 | sideup66 | to boot the system will be imaged |
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| 03:20.15 | sideup66 | dvs: the dependancies are debian dependancies |
| 03:20.17 | sideup66 | for debian |
| 03:20.20 | sideup66 | not ubuntu |
| 03:20.31 | sideup66 | because the one tool im using is being ported in officially |
| 03:21.14 | sideup66 | its the samba config and firefox |
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| 03:21.24 | sideup66 | im also hoping the peerblock guys push out a linux version |
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| 03:21.34 | g0dfrey | sideup66: so why do you use debian but not ubuntu? |
| 03:22.03 | sideup66 | g0dfrey: had mdadm problems with ubuntu, its a home server and didnt like when the system had a rude reboot/shutdown |
| 03:22.04 | krisfremen | why do you have lungs and not gills? |
| 03:22.14 | nsadmin | so at least you're safe |
| 03:22.34 | sideup66 | g0dfrey: it would always halt restart and not autostart a repair in mdadm under ubuntu |
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| 03:22.58 | g0dfrey | sideup66: I see... |
| 03:23.06 | sideup66 | so i made this a last minute change as ubuntu and debian are essentially the same |
| 03:23.28 | sideup66 | and ubuntu can fill in the blanks where debian fell short, however that was few and far inbetween |
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| 03:23.51 | sideup66 | because ubuntu likes shoving new crap on you soon as its out and rapidfiring releases and debian will take its time gettting stable first by what i read |
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| 03:25.16 | g0dfrey | sideup66: How about Debian testing? |
| 03:25.18 | sideup66 | id rather have slightly older, but more stable software :) |
| 03:25.48 | sideup66 | g0dfrey: it sounded nice but being a home server id rather wait til testing is considered stable before transitioning |
| 03:25.49 | g0dfrey | sideup66: Or squeeze-backports repos? |
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| 03:26.34 | sideup66 | godfrey: again afraid of the newer stuff as this older stuff in squeeze i know is stable (things like gnome honestly look like old 8.04 ubuntu which wasnt half bad) |
| 03:26.52 | sideup66 | and is still supported in squeeze |
| 03:27.06 | sideup66 | the ubuntu guys are ready to ditch that version |
| 03:27.18 | sideup66 | and 12.x didnt come out too long ago |
| 03:27.28 | sideup66 | so id rather have somthing older thats stable then new and all over the place |
| 03:27.39 | dvs | except for firefox |
| 03:27.52 | sideup66 | dvs: firefox rarely if ever gives me a headache |
| 03:27.56 | stew | dvs: yes. some server software needs to be current |
| 03:28.01 | sideup66 | very little changes version to version at this point |
| 03:28.22 | dvs | sideup66: iceweasel 12 wasn't good enough? |
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| 03:28.34 | sideup66 | dvs: i dont think i had 12 honestly.... |
| 03:28.44 | sideup66 | and debian installed its files from the web repo, NOT cd |
| 03:28.45 | dvs | sideup66: oh yes they do |
| 03:28.58 | sideup66 | dvs: what does |
| 03:29.13 | dvs | sideup66: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 03:29.51 | sideup66 | i know of this and realize they make a special version |
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| 03:31.41 | sideup66 | does anyone know wheesey's eta? |
| 03:31.49 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 03:31.49 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html |
| 03:31.49 | sideup66 | or how its coming along in development |
| 03:32.04 | stew | sideup66: its not possible to estimate |
| 03:32.21 | g0dfrey | I'm wondering which one is more stable,ubuntu stable or Debian testing?Any ideas? |
| 03:32.22 | sideup66 | oh i see, i was jsut curious as to its status, im not looking for a set date |
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| 03:32.34 | sideup66 | debian testing. |
| 03:32.37 | sideup66 | gotta be |
| 03:32.49 | sideup66 | never used it but ubuntu pushes a relase every 6 mos |
| 03:32.58 | sideup66 | debian as shown just now when i asked is out when ready |
| 03:33.07 | stew | sideup66: check the status of the release goals: http://release.debian.org/wheezy/goals.txt and the number of release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 03:33.07 | sideup66 | not when someone says to pump a new build out |
| 03:33.50 | g0dfrey | sideup66: If you use testing repos,you always get a new release |
| 03:34.07 | stew | sideup66: the freeze is still planned for june |
| 03:34.30 | sideup66 | g0dfrey: so if you have testing even in squeeze your running wheezey essentially? |
| 03:34.37 | sideup66 | stew: what freeze |
| 03:34.41 | sideup66 | in ubuntu? |
| 03:34.45 | stew | sideup66: the freeze for wheezy |
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| 03:35.12 | nsadmin | stew, do you know what they're working on last-minuteish? |
| 03:35.30 | sideup66 | stew: so they have a upgrade planned for june? |
| 03:35.31 | stew | nsadmin: wh9o? |
| 03:35.49 | g0dfrey | stew: the alpha one is build this month and how long it may take to release the final wheezy after its freeze? |
| 03:36.00 | stew | sideup66: no, the wheezy freeze is planned for june, which is when package transitions from unstable to testing stop being automatic and require hinting from the release managers |
| 03:36.12 | sideup66 | oh i see |
| 03:36.24 | nsadmin | release team |
| 03:36.26 | stew | g0dfrey: there is no such thing as an alpha for a debian release, you are confusing this with the alpha release of the installer |
| 03:36.42 | g0dfrey | stew: I see,3q |
| 03:36.54 | Vasistha | sideup66: prior to the freeze there are announcements going out to the developers saying "get your packages in if you want them in wheezy, because after the freeze it won't be very easy to get them in" |
| 03:37.00 | stew | g0dfrey: the time from freeze to release will be measured in months, it could be 3 months, it could be 20 |
| 03:37.04 | g0dfrey | stew: 3q = thankyou |
| 03:37.06 | sideup66 | i see |
| 03:37.08 | Vasistha | usually it's like 6 |
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| 03:37.14 | Tordek | hi |
| 03:37.24 | sideup66 | so they do that to stop the inflow of packages, stabilize the build, then launch the sucker |
| 03:37.46 | stew | it depends on when the release goals are either met or punted, when the transitions are done and when the RC bug count is (essentially) zero, and we can get all the right people free for a weekend |
| 03:37.58 | Tordek | is it possible to boot without an initramfs? I'm on testing+unstable+sid |
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| 03:38.19 | sideup66 | hmm ok |
| 03:38.41 | stew | the inflow of packages doesn't stop per-se, as the only way to fix bugs is to get new packages, it just becomes manual instead of being "whenever britney thinks its ready" |
| 03:38.51 | nsadmin | Tordek, you will likely have to rebuild the kernel, but sure, it is possible |
| 03:39.30 | stew | not likely but definately have to rebuild the kernel |
| 03:39.39 | sideup66 | i see |
| 03:39.55 | sideup66 | because packages get bug fixes |
| 03:39.59 | sideup66 | so the inflow actually helps |
| 03:40.04 | Tordek | hmm, I was afraid of that |
| 03:40.14 | Tordek | is everything set to modules on the stock kernel? |
| 03:40.34 | stew | Tordek: no |
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| 03:40.43 | nsadmin | what stew is imolying, is there are -no- device drivers that are in the kernel (instead they are modules)... similar for filesystem modules, raid, lvm, sound |
| 03:40.44 | stew | Tordek: but lots of things are |
| 03:41.08 | Tordek | by "everything" I meant "most things I'd need" ;P |
| 03:41.13 | nsadmin | the purpose of the initrd is to make available anything needed to mount / |
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| 03:41.22 | stew | nsadmin: i'm not only not implying that, i'm directly stating the opposite |
| 03:41.40 | nsadmin | so, if you have all that in the kernel, you won't need an initrd |
| 03:42.18 | nsadmin | stew, let's see, so the opposite would be that all that stuff is in the kernel? |
| 03:42.35 | stew | nsadmin: no, that's also false |
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| 03:43.28 | dspt | I'm trying to do a net install of Testing on my netbook, but I run into the problem of "The missing firmware files are: rt2860.bin, rtl_nic/rtl81683-2.fw" I downloaded the firmware-ralink-0.35.deb but I cannot get the installer the find the .deb |
| 03:43.34 | nsadmin | so, the minimal that could be considered the opposite, is at least one of those are compiled in |
| 03:43.48 | dspt | Anyone have advice on how I can get the installer to find the files it needs? |
| 03:44.15 | dvs | dspt: are you installing from a USB drive? |
| 03:44.27 | sideup66 | is about to move alllooooot of data |
| 03:44.37 | nsadmin | dspt, you could install without configuring networking, then install firmware after you reboot |
| 03:44.54 | nsadmin | at that point you'll have a base-only install |
| 03:45.11 | dspt | dvs nsadmin Installing from usb, so I could just install the base then try installing the .deb after the system is up? |
| 03:45.35 | dvs | dspt: yeah, that'll work. |
| 03:45.49 | dspt | Okay, I'll give that a try. Thanks! |
| 03:45.53 | sideup66 | anyone ever see a 30 meg linux appliane :D |
| 03:45.56 | sideup66 | appliance |
| 03:46.13 | dspt | Is it looking for the .bin and .fw files and they are in the .deb so it can't find them? |
| 03:46.20 | nsadmin | you'll have just enough to fix core problems (like running file-system-check (fsck)) and install more packages |
| 03:46.57 | dspt | Yah, I guess as long as dpkg is installed it should be fine. |
| 03:47.53 | nsadmin | one thing you can try, is (before booting the usb installer) mount the usb, get the firmware tarball and untar it in the / of the usb |
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| 03:48.53 | nsadmin | that may depend on how you prepared the usb, mostly around whether there is enough space in the filesystem to untar the firmware tarball |
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| 03:49.12 | Vasistha | nsadmin: I'm pretty sure what stew was saying is that there are some device drivers in the kernel (the opposite of "there are no device drivers") but not very many- most are modules |
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| 03:50.26 | sideup66 | well thanks again for the help guys |
| 03:50.33 | sideup66 | im off as this thing is now just copying files over |
| 03:50.45 | sideup66 | ill probably be around again come upgrade time if i hit a snag |
| 03:50.47 | nsadmin | Vasistha, oh, ok... still, the principle applies: there is very likely not the device drivers in the kernel for his / filesystem or the disk controller |
| 03:50.57 | sideup66 | and yes the system will be backed up when i go live, itll be imaged ;) |
| 03:51.43 | Vasistha | nsadmin: hmm I don't know for sure but the answer may be "definitely not" ... I just don't know! |
| 03:52.14 | ttyS1 | hello I'm trying to watch a movie but when I try to play the dvd Totem says. An error occurred could not read from resource |
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| 03:53.19 | craigevil | dspt, is the flash drive that has the .deb on it partitioned? |
| 03:53.53 | dspt | I just dropped the .deb on the root directory. It's just a standard FAT32 8gb drive |
| 03:54.09 | nsadmin | Vasistha, looking outside, I don't think there exists a reasonable default set |
| 03:54.37 | nsadmin | dspt, there should be a .tar.gz of the firmware |
| 03:54.52 | stew | dspt: if you have a .deb, that is certainly easier than a .tar.gz |
| 03:55.29 | stew | (and a .deb would contain a .tar.gz) |
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| 03:55.38 | craigevil | might try a smaller flash drive, i keep a tiny 256mb drive around for just this purpose, never had any issues |
| 03:55.42 | Rusty1 | will the dependencies be included? |
| 03:55.45 | nsadmin | but maybe not rooted in the same place |
| 03:56.51 | dspt | I'm waiting on the install to finish them I'll just try to install the .deb |
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| 03:57.22 | stew | dspt: note that there are also unofficial netinsta images which include the firmware |
| 03:57.26 | nsadmin | dspt, in any case once you install debian and reboot, you can find that .deb by mounting the usb drive again, and then installing it |
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| 03:58.25 | dspt | stew: Oh cool! Should I just google the firmware package I need + debian netinst? |
| 03:58.38 | dspt | nsadmin: The base install should have FAT32 support right? |
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| 03:58.56 | stew | dspt: this will have lots of info, and a link to the non-free installers: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 03:59.50 | stew | dspt: the kernel will be able to mount FAT32. you won't have the dosfstools packages for things like mkfs.vfat |
| 04:00.09 | dspt | Thanks a bunch! |
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| 04:21.46 | fuzai | I used dotdeb's repos to install php 5.4 and now i'm trying to move back to php 5.3, i've tried to purge php5* and i've removed the conflicting repos from sources.list but it still wants to install the 5.4 even though it has no repo for it |
| 04:22.01 | fuzai | how do i tell apt to forget that repo? |
| 04:22.09 | fuzai | other then sources.list |
| 04:23.11 | fuzai | nm i got it now, i forgot to purge something |
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| 04:26.36 | gnarface | dudley: what do you mean by "AMD proprietary" ? |
| 04:26.47 | dpetrek | why wont "mail" shell command send out any emails? how to troubleshoot this? i'm trying this: mail -s "Daily backup of $COMPUTER `date +'%F'`" "$email" < $tmpdir/maildata |
| 04:26.47 | dpetrek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:30.12 | nsadmin | dpetrek, generally mail is sent from a mail client to a mail transport agent, which could be running on the same machine as the client |
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| 04:30.39 | nsadmin | if the client you're using (mail) is not reaching any MTA, there won't be any sending |
| 04:31.32 | dpetrek | so mail command is using local MTA |
| 04:31.48 | dpetrek | is there a way to debug this? |
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| 04:32.21 | nsadmin | probably the first thing, is watch the MTA log while you try to send |
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| 04:33.24 | nsadmin | if the MTA doesn't do anything, then backtrack and look at the config of mail (this should all be set up for you; if you got mail and the MTA you're using from debian packages, you should be set |
| 04:35.46 | nsadmin | if the MTA does do something, then look at the messages you see in the logs. especially pay attention to the timestamps, you may have to look at more than one mail log to see more details of what happened |
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| 04:37.44 | dpetrek | nsadmin: mail.log does not show anything...dont understand |
| 04:38.05 | nsadmin | ok, try again using the mail.err |
| 04:38.14 | nsadmin | what mail server are you using? |
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| 04:38.48 | dpetrek | postfix |
| 04:39.05 | nsadmin | ok, is there a /var/log/postfix? |
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| 04:40.18 | nsadmin | if so, try cd /var/log/postfix and see what's in there |
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| 04:40.27 | dpetrek | nsadmin: no there isnt. i have mail.err, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn |
| 04:40.48 | dpetrek | nsadmin: tried searching through all mail logs for email address i am sending out too, nothing there |
| 04:41.07 | nsadmin | dpetrek. ok. ls --sort=time -l mail.* |
| 04:41.12 | nsadmin | which one is latest? |
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| 04:42.11 | dpetrek | mail.info |
| 04:42.16 | nsadmin | ok, what date? |
| 04:42.26 | dpetrek | today, minute ago |
| 04:42.41 | nsadmin | ahh :) you have found the latest log entry |
| 04:42.49 | nsadmin | take a look at the bottom of that file |
| 04:42.51 | dpetrek | yup but not the one from "mail" |
| 04:42.53 | nsadmin | you can tail |
| 04:43.16 | nsadmin | btw do you know about tail (and -f)? |
| 04:43.28 | dpetrek | yes |
| 04:43.38 | nsadmin | cool :) |
| 04:43.45 | dpetrek | ok i'll tail mail.logs and observe what happens when i start mail again |
| 04:44.11 | nsadmin | one sec, first, we see there is a recent log... how recent are the other three? |
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| 04:44.37 | nsadmin | which ones are (say) more than a day old? any? |
| 04:44.52 | dpetrek | http://pastebin.com/Dzh6JcqW |
| 04:45.30 | nsadmin | so mail.err is from a coupla days ago |
| 04:45.59 | nsadmin | do you have nopaste installed? |
| 04:47.50 | dpetrek | no i dont have nopaste |
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| 04:48.38 | nsadmin | ok, could you: aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 04:48.52 | nsadmin | you might see a lot of -perl packages... they're all tiny |
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| 04:50.22 | mjt | is there a way to install gnome (wheezy) without networkmanager? |
| 04:50.38 | dpetrek | nsadmin: done |
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| 04:50.48 | mjt | NM chokes on linux bridge and nothing network-related works once it is installed. |
| 04:51.02 | Big_Brother | how do I make sure the console is the correct resolution. |
| 04:51.42 | stew | mjt: its easier to leave it installed and disable it |
| 04:51.49 | nsadmin | dpetrek, cool :) then, tail mail.info | nopaste |
| 04:52.21 | nsadmin | Big_Brother, do you like the resolution? |
| 04:52.23 | mjt | stew: that's interesting idea, thanks! Let me try... |
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| 04:52.58 | nsadmin | mjt, it may be that "gnome" (maybe indirectly) depends on nm |
| 04:53.06 | mjt | yes it is |
| 04:53.07 | stew | its is certainly the case |
| 04:53.13 | dpetrek | root@arthas:/var/log# tail mail.info | nopaste |
| 04:53.15 | dpetrek | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.15 | dpetrek | App::Nopaste::Service::Pastie: Could not construct paste link. at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste.pm line 44. |
| 04:53.15 | dpetrek | App::Nopaste::Service::ssh: No NOPASTE_SSH_SERVER set at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste.pm line 44. |
| 04:53.15 | dpetrek | http://gist.github.com/2841142 |
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| 04:53.43 | nsadmin | dpetrek, ahh, just the last thing, the http:// thing... I got it |
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| 04:54.07 | Big_Brother | nsadmin: it seems fuzzy right now. I think the correct resolution is 1024x768. |
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| 04:55.00 | nsadmin | dpetrek, ahh, just the last thing, the http:// thing... I got it |
| 04:55.12 | nsadmin | were you trying to send to your gmail email? |
| 04:55.39 | dpetrek | yes |
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| 04:56.32 | nsadmin | ok, check your gmail... it said: sent |
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| 04:56.42 | nsadmin | remember to check the spam folder |
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| 04:59.30 | dpetrek | nsadmin: looks good. do you know how to change this address mail is comming from? |
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| 05:00.04 | nsadmin | dpetrek, to the right or the left of the @? |
| 05:00.17 | dpetrek | both |
| 05:01.18 | nsadmin | to change the left side to (say) dpetrek, make a user called dpetrek and use mail from that user (one way, not the only way) |
| 05:02.11 | nsadmin | to change the right side is fairly involved... the most accepted way is buy a domain name |
| 05:02.40 | nsadmin | ways other than that most likely involve spoofing the address |
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| 05:03.08 | dpetrek | i would put @ipc.hr |
| 05:03.23 | nsadmin | do you own that name? |
| 05:03.27 | dpetrek | yup |
| 05:03.40 | nsadmin | ok, let me check it out for a moment... |
| 05:03.53 | dpetrek | now its full name: arthas.ipc.hr, i would put ipc.hr only |
| 05:04.22 | Big_Brother | how do I lock a process' ID? this synergyc program keeps changing ID everytime I try and kill it. |
| 05:04.49 | dalias | it's not "changing pid" |
| 05:04.53 | dalias | something is restarting it |
| 05:05.46 | Big_Brother | dalias: except, when I go to kill it with the process ID, it says there's no such process. |
| 05:05.55 | nsadmin | dpetrek, first off, the authoritative servers (over ipc.hr) are working |
| 05:06.05 | dalias | hm, well it could be rapidly forking to get a new pid... |
| 05:06.13 | dalias | is it malware? |
| 05:06.54 | Big_Brother | no. |
| 05:07.02 | Big_Brother | it's a software |
| 05:07.06 | Big_Brother | KVM-type. |
| 05:07.10 | nsadmin | dalias, one (legit) way it could be restarting like this, is the process exits fraction of second after starting |
| 05:07.52 | dalias | nsadmin, and then some other monitoring process restarts it? |
| 05:08.41 | nsadmin | right, that's a somewhat typical method of serverdaemon keepalive |
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| 05:09.13 | nsadmin | and it's working but the daemon is dying prematurely |
| 05:09.33 | nsadmin | that whole thing is a hypothesis you should check |
| 05:10.18 | stew | the hypothesys is that when you try to send a signal to a process, it anticipates this and changes pid before kill is able to find the pid to send the signal to? |
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| 05:10.53 | stew | or that kill is broken and tells you that the process cannot be found even though it was found and successfully sent a signal? |
| 05:10.54 | Big_Brother | I rebooted, no worries. |
| 05:10.58 | nsadmin | no, simply that something is watching the pid, and when it disappears, the monitor restarts it (like daemontools) |
| 05:11.14 | stew | so the second one? |
| 05:12.04 | nsadmin | the inner part of the same hypothesis, is that the daemon stopping so soon is a problem that should be looked into |
| 05:12.13 | stew | <Big_Brother> dalias: except, when I go to kill it with the process ID, it says there's no such process. |
| 05:12.22 | stew | Big_Brother: the "it" there which says "no such process" is kill? |
| 05:12.33 | nsadmin | already gone... it's happening too fast |
| 05:12.55 | stew | i really doubt that kill is broken in such a fundamental way |
| 05:13.10 | nsadmin | I don't think it's being killed |
| 05:13.23 | stew | doean't really matter |
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| 05:13.31 | nsadmin | I think it's mis-sometning, maybe misconfigured, and dies by itself |
| 05:13.38 | Milos|Netbook | I'm having a lot of trouble trying to install http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/wvstreams |
| 05:13.45 | stew | so back to the first one |
| 05:13.49 | Milos|Netbook | E: Unable to locate package wvstreams |
| 05:13.58 | Milos|Netbook | deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:14.07 | Milos|Netbook | For a deb-src, do I just copy everything? |
| 05:14.15 | Milos|Netbook | Like deb-src http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:14.17 | nsadmin | Milos|Netbook, yes |
| 05:14.23 | Milos|Netbook | Ok, well I did that and it still says no such package |
| 05:14.33 | nsadmin | then you should be able to apt-get source it |
| 05:14.34 | stew | Milos|Netbook: what command is giving you an error? |
| 05:14.38 | Milos|Netbook | aaaaah source! |
| 05:14.43 | Milos|Netbook | I was trying install, sorry I'm new |
| 05:14.46 | stew | Milos|Netbook: wait, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 05:14.52 | Milos|Netbook | I need wvdial on armel |
| 05:14.57 | Milos|Netbook | so I have to compiel it myself |
| 05:15.00 | Milos|Netbook | it requires wvstreams dep |
| 05:15.09 | nsadmin | np, and normally I'd recommend aptitude, but I don't think it has source |
| 05:15.21 | stew | aptitude does have source |
| 05:15.26 | stew | Milos|Netbook: why do you have to compile it? |
| 05:15.28 | Milos|Netbook | I've never known the difference between apt-get and aptitude |
| 05:15.37 | nsadmin | he's backporting? |
| 05:15.39 | Milos|Netbook | stew, how else can I get an arm version |
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| 05:15.53 | Big_Brother | stew: synergy is a software KVM with a server and clients. I was trying to start a client on a GUI-less debian box. I'm betting that the software went nuts and began restarting itself every few seconds but failing. |
| 05:16.05 | stew | Milos|Netbook: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:16.25 | Milos|Netbook | root@raspberrypi:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:16.26 | Milos|Netbook | 6.0.5 |
| 05:16.40 | nsadmin | and rasberrypi is an arm? |
| 05:16.44 | Milos|Netbook | yes |
| 05:16.46 | Milos|Netbook | armel |
| 05:16.50 | nsadmin | ok |
| 05:16.51 | stew | Milos|Netbook: you should NOT have a deb line for unstable then |
| 05:16.58 | Milos|Netbook | um yes I should |
| 05:17.09 | Milos|Netbook | as I need a recent openssl version |
| 05:17.11 | nsadmin | yeah, not good idea ;) deb-src, not deb |
| 05:17.12 | stew | Milos|Netbook: no, unless you are trying to switch to unstable |
| 05:17.22 | Milos|Netbook | yes I am trying to switch to unstable. |
| 05:17.27 | Milos|Netbook | I don't really care about stability |
| 05:17.44 | stew | Milos|Netbook: then you don't want apt-get source or a deb-src line |
| 05:17.52 | Milos|Netbook | hm |
| 05:18.01 | nsadmin | do you want a cleaner method of switching? |
| 05:18.16 | Milos|Netbook | bottom line is I just want wvdial to work because it's such a simple thing |
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| 05:18.24 | nsadmin | dpetrek, ok if I pm you? |
| 05:18.26 | stew | Milos|Netbook: you should be following a similar proceduare as you would for switching from one stable release to another |
| 05:18.27 | Milos|Netbook | I don't mind other components lagging behind meanwhile |
| 05:18.43 | stew | Milos|Netbook: like the lenny->squeeze procedure |
| 05:19.14 | mjt | how to start gnome3 from command line? There are things like startxfce, or I can put something into .xsession but what? |
| 05:19.29 | Milos|Netbook | startx? |
| 05:19.52 | mjt | startx executes .xsession |
| 05:20.02 | mjt | my question is what to put into it for gnome |
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| 05:20.10 | nsadmin | Milos|Netbook, as long as you don't mind it... and are aware of the tree of consequences that result :) |
| 05:20.20 | Milos|Netbook | :P |
| 05:20.39 | stew | startx runs .xinitrc not .xsession, i thought, but this could have changed sometime |
| 05:20.40 | g4mbit | good morning! |
| 05:20.48 | nsadmin | I'll take that as a "yes, I don't mind" |
| 05:20.58 | mjt | stew: it runs either, whichever exists |
| 05:21.33 | stew | ok |
| 05:21.35 | dpetrek | nsadmin: sure :) |
| 05:21.44 | nsadmin | ok, cool, one sec |
| 05:22.18 | mjt | I placed "exec gnome-session" into ~/.xsession, but it does not execute gnome-panel, or gnome-shell. |
| 05:22.26 | mjt | s/execute/start/ |
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| 05:24.14 | stew | mjt: is that an indication that your saved session doesn't have either of those started? |
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| 05:24.26 | mjt | i don't have any saved sessions... |
| 05:24.35 | mjt | i started with empty ~/ |
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| 05:28.45 | Leave_This_Place | so is it safe to assume that most Stable security fixes are fixed in lock-step with testing? usually 4/5 of them? |
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| 05:29.37 | raptor67782 | do you kno wwhere is sensible-mda , i.e. packagename ? |
| 05:29.52 | raptor67782 | ok got it. |
| 05:30.10 | raptor67782 | why we need sensible-mda with mut and sendmail-bin? isnt it enough normally? |
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| 05:32.50 | raptor67782 | I have installed mutt and sendmail-bin. it shall be enough normally. Why do it requires procmail and sensible-mda? I see that in /VAR LOG mail.info that it lacks by exec the sensible-mda |
| 05:32.54 | raptor67782 | ehlp |
| 05:33.04 | samba35 | what is difference in terminal and xterminal |
| 05:33.54 | raptor67782 | terminal is maybe for $DISPLAY="" |
| 05:33.58 | raptor67782 | and x for x11 |
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| 05:37.16 | mjt | uhh. so gnome started. and reset all my settings for the touchpad, for the bell and other stuff, and there's no place in gnome control center to tweak these. |
| 05:37.45 | mjt | should i move settings from my .xsession to .config/autostart/*.desktop somehow? |
| 05:38.01 | mjt | so they'll apply after gnome damages it not before? |
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| 05:46.08 | mjt | dconf-editor, /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/mouse/active = FALSE. |
| 05:46.26 | mjt | *sigh*. Opt-out, opt-out, Opt-Out, OPT-OUT, OPT-OUT!!! |
| 05:46.48 | g4mbit | xD |
| 05:48.09 | mjt | gconf-editor even |
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| 05:53.47 | mjt | ..except it doesn't work since something has changed in gnome3 (that applies to gnome2). In gnome3 there's much more obscure way to configure that stuff. |
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| 06:05.48 | Miesco_ | I just updated all my packages in wheezy and I get: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 06:06.37 | Miesco_ | but that file is at /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so |
| 06:07.01 | Miesco_ | No libraries are working... |
| 06:07.17 | Miesco_ | I can't run anything |
| 06:07.24 | Miesco_ | It says they libraries are not found |
| 06:07.32 | nsadmin | Miesco_, you can't run anything? |
| 06:07.40 | nsadmin | not even cat? |
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| 06:07.58 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Well I can run cat |
| 06:08.01 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: And irssi |
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| 06:08.14 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: But not anything with a gui |
| 06:08.23 | nsadmin | ok, try aptitude -d install libc6 |
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| 06:08.29 | Miesco_ | k |
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| 06:08.40 | nsadmin | does that download anything? |
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| 06:09.11 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: no |
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| 06:10.10 | nsadmin | ok, presumably that's latest. try this: aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 06:10.54 | nsadmin | (since the next thing I want is cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste) |
| 06:11.11 | nsadmin | the very last line of the output will be a url |
| 06:11.15 | nsadmin | show that |
| 06:11.22 | stew | !uuoc nsadmin |
| 06:11.23 | dpkg | hands nsadmin the "useless use of cat" award |
| 06:11.44 | stew | Miesco_: does "ldconfig" report errors? |
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| 06:12.18 | nsadmin | , names libusb |
| 06:12.19 | judd | Search for libusb in squeeze/i386: |
| 06:12.46 | Miesco_ | nopaste:command not found |
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| 06:13.00 | Miesco_ | wait nvm |
| 06:13.20 | Miesco_ | When I try to install nopaste I get: dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable. |
| 06:13.38 | nsadmin | doh, are you root when you do that? |
| 06:13.42 | nsadmin | -d |
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| 06:14.36 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/172122/ |
| 06:14.42 | nsadmin | :) |
| 06:15.08 | stew | Miesco_: is libc-bin installed? |
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| 06:15.51 | Miesco_ | stew: Yea |
| 06:15.58 | nsadmin | Miesco_: echo ". $PATH" |
| 06:16.00 | stew | Miesco_: what version? |
| 06:16.17 | Miesco_ | stew: 2.13-32 |
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| 06:16.33 | nsadmin | the . is for irc, it doesn't like / as first char |
| 06:16.39 | Miesco_ | . /home/shawn/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/home/shawn/bin:/home/shawn/bin:/home/shawn/bin |
| 06:16.41 | stew | Miesco_: is /sbin on your path? |
| 06:17.08 | nsadmin | looks like no |
| 06:17.21 | stew | Miesco_: sorry, i mean for root, is /sbin on the PATH for root |
| 06:17.42 | nsadmin | does whoami say root? |
| 06:17.49 | stew | no, it says shawn |
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| 06:18.32 | Miesco_ | WHy isn't /sbin in my path? |
| 06:18.38 | stew | Miesco_: are you root? |
| 06:18.39 | divbell | because you aren't root |
| 06:18.42 | Miesco_ | stew: no |
| 06:18.44 | divbell | su |
| 06:18.45 | Miesco_ | oh |
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| 06:18.49 | stew | Miesco_: /sbin is "stuff that only root uses" |
| 06:18.54 | nsadmin | Miesco_, you need to be root for some of this stuf |
| 06:19.33 | divbell | many people install the sudo package |
| 06:19.42 | nsadmin | not me :) |
| 06:19.49 | divbell | on single user systems, i usually do something like %sudo ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 06:19.56 | nsadmin | but then I'm not a many person... |
| 06:19.56 | divbell | in /etc/sudoers |
| 06:20.02 | divbell | and add my user to the sudo group |
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| 06:20.08 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: I got nopaste when I used root to get it, if I sudo it doesn't have sbin |
| 06:20.08 | Miesco_ | in path |
| 06:20.17 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 06:20.25 | nsadmin | that's weird :) |
| 06:20.38 | nsadmin | but, good enough, you have it |
| 06:20.40 | Dulak | Miesco_: If you do 'sudo echo $PATH' /sbin is not listed?? |
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| 06:20.59 | divbell | if your path isn't what you expect, check your home directory dotfiles like .profile, .bashrc, .bash_profile |
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| 06:21.11 | divbell | then the system level versions in /etc |
| 06:21.18 | Miesco_ | Dulak: no |
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| 06:21.26 | stew | Dulak: realize that is the same as "echo $PATH" without sudo |
| 06:21.29 | stew | Miesco_: ignore Dulak |
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| 06:21.58 | Dulak | stew: No it isn't, unless you have a setting in sudoers to pass the PATH, it defaults to root's path |
| 06:22.20 | stew | Dulak: $PATH is expanded by the shell before deciding what to send as parameters to sudo |
| 06:22.22 | Miesco_ | So I guess all the libraries work as root |
| 06:22.51 | stew | Dulak: somehting like: «sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH'» on the other hand... |
| 06:22.56 | nsadmin | Dulak, but consider what the shell does: it looks at the lines for variables early (before execution of the command) and substitutes variables... see: info bash |
| 06:23.22 | divbell | sudo sh -c "echo \$PATH" |
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| 06:23.45 | nsadmin | or 'echo $PATH' |
| 06:23.57 | divbell | mm, good |
| 06:24.06 | Miesco_ | stew: That doesn't have /sbin |
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| 06:25.33 | nsadmin | Miesco_, so being in as root already and looking at PATH is different from the su thing unless quptation rules are composed so as to get that behavior |
| 06:25.36 | Dulak | Mmmm, I have an error in my bashrc from that variable expansion bit, thanks for pointing it out. |
| 06:26.00 | nsadmin | which implies that quoting rules need to be followed when running other commands |
| 06:27.06 | stew | nsadmin: what do you mean by "being in as root"? |
| 06:27.17 | Miesco_ | stew: Any suggestions? |
| 06:27.25 | nsadmin | stew, root shell started as login shell |
| 06:27.47 | stew | nsadmin: and what do you mean by "the su thing" and "quptation rules" ? |
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| 06:28.04 | Miesco_ | libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:28.10 | nsadmin | for the quoting rules, info bash |
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| 06:28.15 | Miesco_ | I guess there is something wrong with a path |
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| 06:28.32 | stew | Miesco_: i believe you need to add secure_path to your sudoers file |
| 06:28.45 | stew | Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 06:28.53 | stew | Miesco_: for starters |
| 06:29.13 | stew | Miesco_: then I'd want to know if "sudo ldconfig" reports errors |
| 06:29.33 | stew | Miesco_: (assuming you are doing everything with sudo and not su) |
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| 06:29.41 | nsadmin | Miesco_, you can be in as root with sudo bash -l |
| 06:29.47 | Dulak | sudo -i |
| 06:29.52 | stew | stop |
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| 06:30.03 | stew | lets fix his sudo setup first |
| 06:30.13 | stew | instead of trying to work around it |
| 06:30.15 | Miesco_ | I'm doing screen su |
| 06:31.30 | Dulak | Ahhh, to get a good environment su - |
| 06:31.32 | nsadmin | one question first: Miesco_, do you have sudo because you want it? |
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| 06:31.43 | Dulak | Just su leaves you with the env from the login user |
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| 06:32.02 | nsadmin | or from the env of the process that spawned the su |
| 06:32.05 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Well I don't want to login as root |
| 06:32.17 | nsadmin | so, ok, that would be a yes |
| 06:32.35 | nsadmin | because sudo is a way to avoid logging in as root |
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| 06:34.14 | Miesco_ | sudo: >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 25 <<< |
| 06:34.24 | Miesco_ | oh wiat |
| 06:35.20 | stew | Miesco_: check that you have the "secure_path" setting in sudoers that I mentioned before |
| 06:35.23 | Miesco_ | I had "Defaults env_reset" |
| 06:35.32 | Miesco_ | stew: Instead of env_reset?' |
| 06:35.52 | stew | Miesco_: in addition to |
| 06:36.11 | stew | Miesco_: also check that "grep ^ENV_SUPATH /etc/login.defs" returns a path containing /sbin |
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| 06:36.39 | Miesco_ | stew: So Defaults env_reset secure_path=... |
| 06:37.19 | stew | Miesco_: one line should be "Defaults env_reset" another line should be "Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"" |
| 06:37.26 | Miesco_ | kk |
| 06:37.26 | Miesco_ | done |
| 06:37.33 | peterrooney | thinks using BNF to present a new language is not an effective didactic method. |
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| 06:38.04 | stew | now Miesco_ now «sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH'» should include /sbin |
| 06:38.17 | Miesco_ | stew: It contains a path with sbin, the ENV_SUPATH thing |
| 06:38.18 | nsadmin | peterrooney, depends on the audience... for people new to computer languages, agreed |
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| 06:38.40 | peterrooney | even for experts, BNF should wait until you have the most common idioms down pat |
| 06:38.44 | Miesco_ | stew: Yea it does |
| 06:38.59 | stew | Miesco_: now does "sudo ldconfig" succeed? |
| 06:39.13 | Miesco_ | stew: Yea |
| 06:39.28 | nsadmin | peterrooney, bnf is mostly for parsers, and there is precedent for its use in primers |
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| 06:40.07 | HellTiger | is there a way to preserve timestamps in webdav folders? my rsync overwrites all the time. |
| 06:40.12 | stew | Miesco_: i don't remember what you originally were asking about, but I suspect that perhaps now everything is fixed? |
| 06:40.21 | Miesco_ | stew: Its not fixed |
| 06:40.32 | stew | Miesco_: ok, what is still broken? |
| 06:40.41 | Miesco_ | stew: When I run firefox I get: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:40.50 | nsadmin | peterrooney, if you're saying it's not that readable (especially if it has to be modified to work with particular types of parsers), I'd agree to that as well |
| 06:40.53 | Miesco_ | stew: ANd that file does exist |
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| 06:41.08 | Miesco_ | but that file is at /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so |
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| 06:41.43 | Miesco_ | stew: Its not suppost to be executable, is it? |
| 06:41.46 | stew | Miesco_: when you rn "firefox" are you actually trying to run iceweasel? |
| 06:41.50 | stew | or actually firefox? |
| 06:41.57 | Miesco_ | stew: iceweasel |
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| 06:42.07 | nsadmin | Miesco_, check ld.so.conf for /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/ |
| 06:42.18 | Miesco_ | and chromium: /usr/lib/chromium/chromium: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:42.44 | nsadmin | if not present, the contents of that folder will not be found unless it's listed in LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 06:43.53 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: That variable isn't defined |
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| 06:44.51 | nsadmin | Miesco_, so that's half of the conditions necessary to not be found |
| 06:45.13 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Where is LD_LIBRARY_PATH defined? |
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| 06:45.39 | Miesco_ | I probably used an old config file when aptitude asked to use the maintainer's version |
| 06:45.54 | Miesco_ | Maybe not |
| 06:46.08 | nsadmin | turning that around, if you want a lib in /some/lib, and /some/lib is not in /etc/ld.so.conf, then you would define LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 06:46.24 | stew | nsadmin: are you just randomly guessing? |
| 06:46.28 | caracal | need help: setting up a brand-new machine, and of course am putting wheezy on it ... but the new box has no internal speaker, so is there a way to send system beeps to the sound card? sound works fine, just no beeps ... not using gnome or kde, so those won't help |
| 06:46.47 | nsadmin | stew, what has you ask? |
| 06:46.58 | stew | nsadmin: i don't understand your question |
| 06:47.12 | stew | nsadmin: are you going to actually have him alter either ld.so.conf or LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| 06:47.44 | nsadmin | that would be the only ways for the lib to be found |
| 06:47.49 | Miesco_ | include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 06:47.51 | stew | nsadmin: that is incorrect |
| 06:48.00 | Miesco_ | Thats whats in ld.so.conf |
| 06:48.12 | Miesco_ | and only /usr/local/lib is in the directory |
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| 06:48.16 | Miesco_ | and some kernel libs |
| 06:48.49 | Miesco_ | I mean multi arch support libs |
| 06:48.53 | nsadmin | Miesco_, so, would you concur if we said "that's for system libraries"? |
| 06:49.09 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: WHat is? |
| 06:49.22 | nsadmin | what you just found |
| 06:49.23 | stew | what is a system library? |
| 06:49.43 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: /usr/local/lib isn't for system libraries |
| 06:49.51 | stew | what is a system library? |
| 06:50.11 | Miesco_ | stew: I don't know |
| 06:51.16 | Miesco_ | Shouldn't I have way more files in /etc/ld.so.conf.d, then "i486-linux-gnu.conf libc.conf" |
| 06:51.22 | stew | Miesco_: no |
| 06:51.42 | Miesco_ | stew: Then why isn't xulrunner in the ld path? |
| 06:52.38 | stew | do you mean /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0 ? |
| 06:53.09 | nsadmin | and more to the point, if an official debian package placed the lib in that place, what method does it expect to find it with? |
| 06:53.12 | Miesco_ | stew: Yea |
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| 06:53.53 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Iono |
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| 06:53.58 | stew | Miesco_: my belief is that it doesn't need to be explicitly on the path because it should only be needed by other binaries in /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0 |
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| 06:54.22 | stew | nsadmin: do you have iceweasel running? |
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| 06:54.30 | nsadmin | and how would they find it? |
| 06:54.38 | nsadmin | stew: yeah |
| 06:54.57 | Miesco_ | stew: Should the .so be binary? |
| 06:55.14 | stew | nsadmin: when you run "fuser /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so" does it return any process ids? |
| 06:55.36 | nsadmin | sec |
| 06:55.58 | nsadmin | Specified filename /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so does not exist. |
| 06:56.21 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Maybe you have an earlier version of xulrunner? |
| 06:56.40 | nsadmin | what's xulrunner a part of? |
| 06:56.57 | mjt | mozilla (firefox/thunderbird) |
| 06:57.05 | stew | nsadmin: when you run "lsof | grep libxul.so" does it return any matches? |
| 06:57.13 | mjt | as root |
| 06:57.16 | mjt | ? |
| 06:57.39 | Miesco_ | stew: Its not just xulrunner, chromium libraries don't load, same with vlc |
| 06:57.54 | stew | Miesco_: yes, i know |
| 06:57.59 | nsadmin | yes |
| 06:58.01 | nsadmin | two |
| 06:58.06 | stew | nsadmin: which? |
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| 06:58.36 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.48 | stew | nsadmin: when you run "grep -r xulrunner /etc/ld.so.c*" does it return any matches? |
| 06:59.04 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: You use the mozilla apt reposoitory? |
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| 06:59.15 | nsadmin | yep |
| 06:59.22 | nsadmin | that I do |
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| 06:59.50 | stew | nsadmin: do you see how I know that you are just guessing and "< nsadmin> that would be the only ways for the lib to be found" is false |
| 07:00.24 | nsadmin | not yet, because the actual method of locating the libs has not been exposed |
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| 07:00.48 | stew | really? |
| 07:00.50 | stew | whatever |
| 07:01.17 | nsadmin | LD_LIBRARY_PATH could have been set |
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| 07:01.32 | stew | you mean that on yours it must have been set |
| 07:01.44 | nsadmin | the only other thing I can think of is the path is hard coded into the binary |
| 07:01.47 | stew | nsadmin: what is your LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to |
| 07:02.05 | Miesco_ | stew: THe program could of set it |
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| 07:02.19 | Miesco_ | in a subshell |
| 07:02.30 | nsadmin | or a sub process of any kind |
| 07:02.40 | stew | nsadmin: so what is your set to? |
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| 07:03.46 | nsadmin | it's blank |
| 07:03.46 | stew | right |
| 07:03.46 | stew | ... |
| 07:03.46 | nsadmin | and, that's inconclusive |
| 07:03.55 | stew | in my mind it is conclusive |
| 07:04.15 | stew | 02:59 < stew> nsadmin: do you see how I know that you are just guessing and "< nsadmin> that would be the only ways for the lib to be found" is false |
| 07:04.20 | Miesco_ | How do I delete ld? |
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| 07:04.36 | stew | Miesco_: why on earth would you want to delete ld? |
| 07:04.38 | nsadmin | Miesco_, that's in binutils |
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| 07:04.52 | nsadmin | are you saying you don't want any compiler stuff? |
| 07:04.53 | Miesco_ | stew: I dunno what else to do |
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| 07:05.39 | nsadmin | Miesco_, ld isn't involved here |
| 07:06.32 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Why cant my programs find libraries? |
| 07:06.57 | nsadmin | first, name a program that can, and another that can't |
| 07:07.06 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: firefox can't, irssi can |
| 07:07.20 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: pornview also can |
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| 07:08.04 | nsadmin | ok... look thru the output of ldd $(which irssi) |
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| 07:08.31 | nsadmin | those libs are all found |
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| 07:08.49 | nsadmin | same when you substitute pornview for irssi |
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| 07:09.01 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: ah ha |
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| 07:09.26 | nsadmin | do you call the browser as "firefox"? |
| 07:09.26 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: So thats the problem |
| 07:09.33 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Yea |
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| 07:10.33 | nsadmin | hmm, there has been a legal disagreement between debian and netscape, which was resolved by netscape saying "you can distribute that code, but not under the name firefox" |
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| 07:11.15 | nsadmin | the sub-point here, is if that's still in effect, debian did not supply that |
| 07:11.21 | Miesco_ | "not a dynamic executabl" |
| 07:11.21 | stew | except the names have been changed to protect the innnocent? |
| 07:11.21 | Miesco_ | WHen I put firefox |
| 07:11.36 | nsadmin | ok, file $(which firefox) |
| 07:11.44 | nsadmin | let's see what it is |
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| 07:12.05 | stew | Miesco_: btw, you are now headed down a wild goose chase |
| 07:12.08 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: It seems to be only libraries that are not part of the compiler |
| 07:12.14 | Miesco_ | stew: Why? |
| 07:12.33 | babilen | netscape? mozilla rather :) |
| 07:12.50 | stew | Miesco_: because you are going to perhaps eventually find the iceweasel binary and determine it isn't linked against libxul.so anyway |
| 07:13.19 | nsadmin | stew, so far, we haven't found anything called "iceweasel" |
| 07:13.26 | stew | nsadmin: yeah, iknow |
| 07:13.35 | Miesco_ | stew: What should I do? |
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| 07:13.42 | stew | nsadmin: you will eventually, then you'll determine that it's not linked against the library anywaay |
| 07:13.55 | stew | Miesco_: i don't know |
| 07:14.04 | stew | Miesco_: but i'm not going to make you do random shit just because I don't yet know |
| 07:14.06 | Miesco_ | ALl the programs that don't work say 'not a dynamic executable' |
| 07:14.12 | nsadmin | Miesco_, one thing we could do... is get you an updated iceweasel |
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| 07:14.20 | stew | Miesco_: that's nsadmin's job |
| 07:15.08 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: I looked it up, its the experiemental 'relealse' for debian.mozilla.org |
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| 07:15.17 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: I looked it up earlier when I had a browser |
| 07:15.33 | Miesco_ | I don't know the line |
| 07:15.38 | nsadmin | Miesco_, what's your interest here? you want to go deeper into what could be called forensics (a looooong job with lots of thinking) or just get a browser that does what you want? |
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| 07:16.11 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i do have folder with subfolders and files how to compress it please with the command line |
| 07:16.54 | nsadmin | linkedinu, ok, and you want to compress them into a tar file? starting where? |
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| 07:17.16 | linkedinu | yes please |
| 07:17.25 | nevyn | nsadmin: debian and mozillacorp |
| 07:17.45 | linkedinu | nsadmin, >? |
| 07:17.54 | nsadmin | nevyn, those are the agree-to-disagree parties? |
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| 07:18.29 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i want to transefer my files from server to another new server |
| 07:18.31 | nevyn | nsadmin: it was a dispute about trademarks on "firefox" and the trademarked logo |
| 07:18.37 | nsadmin | linkedinu, you say you have a "folder with subfolders" |
| 07:18.40 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: I just want my libraries to work, I don't think it has anything to do with a specific application like firefox |
| 07:18.42 | linkedinu | frist want to compress them |
| 07:18.46 | nsadmin | what;s the name of the folder? |
| 07:18.51 | stew | I don't believe there was an actual dispute |
| 07:19.06 | stew | they revoked our trademark license, we stopped using their mark |
| 07:19.09 | linkedinu | linkin folder |
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| 07:19.38 | nsadmin | right, I don't think it was any worse than mozilla saying "stop" and debian replying "ok" |
| 07:19.55 | stew | or netscape or whatever |
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| 07:21.02 | gnarface | The Dude: Yes, Walter, you're right. There is an unspoken message here. It's "FUCK YOU, LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!" |
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| 07:21.04 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i want the extension to be tar.tgz |
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| 07:21.57 | nsadmin | linkedinu, that would be understood as a compressed tarfile containinng a tar file |
| 07:22.11 | nsadmin | containing... somethign :) |
| 07:22.35 | stew | linkedinu: tar.gz or tgz would be far more common |
| 07:22.45 | nsadmin | and correctly understood |
| 07:23.04 | gnarface | only windows cares |
| 07:23.09 | linkedinu | ok what is the command please |
| 07:23.14 | stew | linkedinu: but it wuold be "tar czf tarfilename file1 file2 file3" |
| 07:23.31 | gnarface | stew: wouldn't he probably want czvpf? |
| 07:23.34 | nsadmin | you would then have files contained by a tar file, and that tar file is compressed |
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| 07:24.00 | linkedinu | stew, i want just one tgz file |
| 07:24.04 | nsadmin | gnarface, and possibly --one-file-system |
| 07:24.05 | gnarface | nsadmin: not necessarily... you could name it tar.tar.tar.tar.fuckitallwanttodie.tgz and tar wouldn't care |
| 07:24.32 | gnarface | conventions are important to understand but thats different from when they're enforced |
| 07:24.34 | nsadmin | I'm trying to be nice to the people who will read the file name... that would NOT :) |
| 07:24.43 | Miesco_ | When I do: ldd /usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/xulrunner-bin, I get: http://pastie.org/4000160 |
| 07:24.44 | gnarface | farir enough |
| 07:25.20 | stew | linkedinu: right, tar can only create a single file at a time |
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| 07:25.45 | nsadmin | so the libs on lines 2, 3 and 4 are not found |
| 07:25.55 | Miesco_ | libxpcom.so => not foun |
| 07:26.00 | gnarface | i'm gonna fork firefox and name it dirtweasel |
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| 07:26.29 | Miesco_ | i'ma name mine dickweasel |
| 07:26.32 | gnarface | haha |
| 07:26.38 | nsadmin | we can just get you a browser that work :) |
| 07:26.57 | nsadmin | firefoxeatingmonstertruck |
| 07:27.07 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: THen what about the video codec libraries that don't work? |
| 07:27.34 | sxpert1 | http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2012/05/31/dell-commence-a-tester-en-grand-des-serveurs-a-base-de-processeurs-arm |
| 07:27.37 | nsadmin | if they don't work now, they might not work then,,, you may need other versions? |
| 07:27.40 | sxpert1 | want ! |
| 07:27.48 | gnarface | Miesco_: i'd advise avoiding them |
| 07:28.06 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: They worked before I updated wheezy |
| 07:28.13 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Is this a bug in wheezy? |
| 07:28.15 | linkedinu | tar czvf allmyfiles.tar.gz * |
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| 07:28.52 | stew | linkedinu: yes, that is the same as my command but you added a 'v' which means "show me which files you add explicitly (verbose)" |
| 07:29.02 | gnarface | linkedinu: don't forget 'p' ... you'd want to preserve permissions if you plan to extract it to a similarly uid'd debian system |
| 07:29.13 | nsadmin | Miesco_, I'm not trying to throw a copout here... but, it's true that upgrades change things and may require adjustments to make things work again |
| 07:29.33 | nsadmin | linkedinu, what dir are you in? |
| 07:29.56 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: What adjustments? :) |
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| 07:30.18 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i am in the /home and want to compress the /home/linkin |
| 07:30.24 | Jaggz- | how do I restrict DNS lookups to only within our network, while allowing authoritive lookups publicly? |
| 07:30.30 | Jaggz- | using powerdns |
| 07:30.47 | stew | linkedinu: tar cvzf linkin.tgz linkin |
| 07:31.03 | peterrooney | Miesco_: it sometimes happens that the new version of a program has different config syntax, or worse yet, defaults different from those you have come to expect. |
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| 07:31.08 | linkedinu | stew, ok |
| 07:31.15 | stew | linkedinu: gnarface wants you to read "man tar" and decide if you want to change cvzf to cvzfp |
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| 07:31.23 | Miesco_ | peterrooney: But wouldn't others experience these issues? |
| 07:31.31 | stew | which is a decent think to do |
| 07:31.33 | gnarface | thanks stew |
| 07:31.34 | peterrooney | Miesco_: we do experience it |
| 07:31.38 | stew | gnarface: :) |
| 07:31.46 | nsadmin | and maybe not v |
| 07:31.48 | linkedinu | thanks all of you guys |
| 07:31.50 | linkedinu | :))) |
| 07:31.53 | Miesco_ | Can someone search on google: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory wheezy |
| 07:32.10 | nsadmin | if you want to see the files go by on your screen really fast... put the v in |
| 07:32.13 | Miesco_ | I wish I had a browser |
| 07:32.32 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Whats the debian repository line for iceweasel? |
| 07:32.38 | peterrooney | Miesco_: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:32.54 | nsadmin | getting it n ow |
| 07:33.15 | stew | Miesco_: its the same as the repository line for any other debian package |
| 07:33.28 | Miesco_ | stew: No the mozilla repository |
| 07:33.29 | nsadmin | Miesco_, running squeeze? |
| 07:33.32 | Miesco_ | stew: Is what I meant |
| 07:33.36 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: RUnning wheezy |
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| 07:34.22 | nsadmin | you get to try experimental packages! yay! |
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| 07:34.34 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Yea |
| 07:34.55 | stew | Miesco_: if you add a new user, does this work when you login as the newly added user? |
| 07:35.16 | Miesco_ | stew: What work? |
| 07:35.25 | stew | Miesco_: iceweasel |
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| 07:35.35 | stew | Miesco_: anything that is not currently working |
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| 07:35.52 | nsadmin | stew, about to give him the debian-mozilla-team sources.list line (which they say points to experimental) |
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| 07:36.17 | nsadmin | want me to do that now? or wait till he checks that? |
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| 07:37.04 | Miesco_ | stew: I don't think so, I logged into the new account with 'su guesttest' thou0gh |
| 07:37.23 | stew | Miesco_: try again wth "su - guesttest" ? |
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| 07:37.54 | Miesco_ | stew: No doesn't work |
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| 07:38.03 | stew | Miesco_: same error about libxul.so? |
| 07:38.08 | Miesco_ | stew: Yea |
| 07:38.35 | nsadmin | Miesco_, save these instructions into a text file... |
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| 07:40.12 | stew | Miesco_: i'd strace it |
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| 07:40.33 | Miesco_ | stew: Oh yea good idea |
| 07:40.38 | nsadmin | You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/: "deb http://your-mirror.debian.org/debian experimental main" You can install it with the following commands:$ apt-get update then $ apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 07:40.52 | nsadmin | Miesco_, put that in a text file |
| 07:41.24 | stew | this is really not likely to be an iceweasel specific problem |
| 07:41.36 | stew | seeing as it is not specific to iceweasel |
| 07:42.10 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: nvm I don't want to do that |
| 07:42.26 | nsadmin | he wanted the info... and yo're helping him find the problem |
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| 07:45.51 | stew | Miesco_: you wanted the sources.list line for which version of iceweasel? |
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| 07:48.05 | nsadmin | stew, the line I gave is for the one called "release" |
| 07:48.13 | linkedinu | ????: now compressed file has been transfer to my other server and it is now in /home how to decompress the linkin.tgz please |
| 07:48.52 | nsadmin | linkedinu, what dir were you in when you ran the tar command? |
| 07:49.17 | nsadmin | (you may recall I asked the same question before) |
| 07:49.19 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i did not run it yet |
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| 07:49.27 | stew | linkedinu: from /home run the same command you created it with but use x for extract instead of c for create |
| 07:49.59 | linkedinu | stew, nsadmin thank you |
| 07:50.05 | Miesco_ | stew: How would I do strace firefox | nopaste |
| 07:50.19 | Miesco_ | stew: I want to get the error output |
| 07:50.20 | nsadmin | linkedinu, by the way, great question: a backup is not useful if you cannot restore it |
| 07:50.38 | stew | Miesco_: strace -f firefox 2>&1 | nopaste |
| 07:50.54 | linkedinu | nsadmin, how to restore it and where? |
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| 07:51.49 | Miesco_ | http://pastie.org/4000248 |
| 07:51.52 | Miesco_ | stew: ^ |
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| 07:52.38 | stew | interesting, it does open it once successfully first |
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| 07:52.44 | nsadmin | that depends on what dir you will be in when you run the tar c... command |
| 07:52.50 | stew | open("/usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 07:52.53 | stew | then sometime later |
| 07:52.56 | stew | open("/usr/lib/libxul.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 07:53.20 | nsadmin | stew, that would be a different file of coursae |
| 07:53.39 | stew | nsadmin: huh? |
| 07:53.53 | nsadmin | look at the two opens |
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| 07:53.56 | nsadmin | two different files |
| 07:54.01 | stew | nsadmin: no shit |
| 07:54.46 | nsadmin | so, as you say, it succeeds in loading the lib, but then, it tries to load a different file and fails |
| 07:54.48 | stew | nsadmin: notice that there are 12 other ones before it |
| 07:55.02 | stew | 13 different files |
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| 07:57.07 | initself | can PuTTY run a command after it logs in, like 'cd some_dir'? |
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| 07:57.40 | tralala | yes, it can |
| 07:57.50 | nsadmin | stew, would the $(dirname) of those file paths correspond to the dirs in ld.so.conf? |
| 07:57.56 | Miesco_ | stew: I'll think this over while I sleep, I have to go to bed, i'll be on tommorow probably |
| 07:58.22 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Some of them |
| 07:58.23 | initself | tralala: standard PuTTY? can you point me to where? |
| 07:59.01 | initself | i thought it would be in the config somewhere |
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| 07:59.11 | tralala | initself, yes standard. I can't check right now but it's in she SSH section iirc |
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| 07:59.37 | initself | Data to send to the server ... Remote command? |
| 07:59.50 | initself | I tried putting 'test' in there and my session closed out. |
| 07:59.52 | stew | nsadmin: clearly not |
| 08:00.04 | stew | nsadmin: 03:52 < stew> open("/usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
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| 08:00.24 | tralala | internat, try mutt or mail |
| 08:00.36 | stew | nsadmin: you've verified that this doesn't come from /etc/ld.so.c* from |
| 08:01.05 | horse | morning all |
| 08:01.38 | horse | i'm having problems upgrading an old etch box to lenny, i keep getting asked for an etch CD? anyone know why this might happen? |
| 08:01.58 | stew | horse: because there is an etch cd listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:02.18 | horse | ah right stew, that would explain it |
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| 08:02.55 | horse | thanks man, am i right in thinking i only need a couple of sources, ie the main and secutiry archive? |
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| 08:04.18 | nsadmin | that particular one succeeded and was then ignored |
| 08:04.24 | stew | horse: its been a long time since there was security support for eiterh etch or lenny |
| 08:04.47 | stew | horse: only the http://archives.debian.org/debian entries are relevant anymore |
| 08:05.52 | stew | nsadmin: what are you talking about? |
| 08:05.55 | nsadmin | horse, the sources for lenny are the next thing you need (and that;s in archive.debian.org) |
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| 08:14.00 | horse | thanks nsadmin |
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| 08:15.05 | babilen | c |
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| 08:16.52 | nsadmin | horse, if you have an etch machine and you want to upgrade to squeeze, you would first upgrade your etch to lenny (which is no longer on the mirrors), and then your new lenny to squeeze |
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| 08:17.41 | nsadmin | for the first upgrade, read the lenny release notes for upgrade instructions, for the second, read squeeze release notes |
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| 08:20.56 | peterrooney | probably faster and easier to just install squeeze from scratch. |
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| 08:21.09 | nsadmin | peterrooney, right, and backup his /home |
| 08:21.35 | nsadmin | it may actually depend on what he has and what the machine is for |
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| 08:27.36 | nsadmin | oggydoo? |
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| 08:27.50 | gnarface | doom! |
| 08:27.57 | gnarface | doom, doom doom, and more doom! |
| 08:28.06 | gnarface | we're all doomed |
| 08:28.23 | nsadmin | you're pretty doom... |
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| 08:28.57 | peterrooney | I'm not. My hardware is. |
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| 08:51.33 | florida- | how to go to a certain line number in nano? |
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| 08:52.36 | me__ | Hi. I am remotly connected via ssh -X to machine using openbox. How to 'switch' to running instance of wm? |
| 08:53.19 | PerfDave | me__: Change $DISPLAY, probably to :0 |
| 08:53.25 | PerfDave | And possibly mess around with xauth |
| 08:53.42 | florida- | PerfDave, ? |
| 08:53.59 | PerfDave | florida-: ? |
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| 08:54.17 | me__ | PerfDave: change display? Can you elaborate? |
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| 08:54.52 | PerfDave | me__: What are you trying to achieve exactly? You're SSH'd into a machine, and you want to run programs through that SSH connection which display on the screen of the machine rather than your own? |
| 08:55.42 | me__ | PerfDave: I would like to interact with my desktop, like running OS in vm. |
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| 08:56.03 | me__ | *vbox |
| 08:56.15 | florida- | how to go to a certain line number in nano? |
| 08:56.41 | florida- | PerfDave, ^ |
| 08:56.45 | PerfDave | me__: Interact with how? Do you want your mouse and keyboard on the machine you're sat at, to work on the other machine? You might look at synergy for that, or x2x |
| 08:56.57 | PerfDave | florida-: Why are you asking me? If I knew I'd tell you, but I've never used nano. |
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| 08:57.08 | florida- | k |
| 08:57.13 | me__ | PerfDave: I will look into that. Thanks. |
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| 08:58.16 | peterrooney | florida-: nano +line filename |
| 08:58.32 | PerfDave | me__: Otherwise you could look at using x0rfb or similar to get a VNC session for your desktop, which you can access from your current system |
| 08:58.39 | florida- | k |
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| 08:59.39 | no_al_nonnismo | me__: try vnc. tunnel vnc via ssh |
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| 09:00.22 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: i think nano has an option for that. try "nano --help" to find out. |
| 09:00.37 | florida- | thx |
| 09:01.33 | babilen | !tell me__ -about vnc |
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| 09:03.21 | florida- | no_al_nonnismo, peterrooney what ports are used by irc. i need to unblock all. |
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| 09:05.24 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: 6667 (irc) and usually 6697,7500 for ssl IRC |
| 09:06.05 | dokma | something is fishy here.... rkhunter reported that hash of sudo has changed |
| 09:06.10 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: (btw i see you're not using ssl on irc, so 6667 could be enough ) |
| 09:06.20 | dokma | how can I verify if the hash is correct? |
| 09:07.06 | florida- | 6667 and any other? |
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| 09:07.38 | hicham | hi |
| 09:07.38 | petemc | dokma: compare /var/lib/dpkg/info/sudo.md5sums |
| 09:07.45 | hicham | is there any channel for packaging help ? |
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| 09:08.17 | florida- | how much ram is actually used in mb? total used free shared buffers cached |
| 09:08.18 | florida- | Mem: 609960 598820 11140 0 195604 316480 |
| 09:08.18 | florida- | -/+ buffers/cache: 86736 523224 |
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| 09:09.21 | dokma | petemc: hmm.... it's unchanged according to that file |
| 09:09.28 | dokma | but an attacker could have tampered with that |
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| 09:09.30 | PerfDave | florida-: "free -m" shows you figures in mb |
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| 09:09.50 | dokma | what did rkhunter compare it to when it found difference? |
| 09:10.00 | florida- | its not real PerfDave . cant understand buffer/cache |
| 09:10.00 | PerfDave | dokma: I've got to admit, I get way too many false positives from rkhunter |
| 09:10.19 | dokma | PerfDave: I see... so it might just be nothing.... |
| 09:10.27 | dokma | PerfDave: any good way to tell? |
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| 09:10.48 | PerfDave | dokma: Don't know whether your case is, I've not had it reporting that before. |
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| 09:11.12 | lolcat | Can I burn a cd while using a livecd? |
| 09:11.30 | dokma | PerfDave: thank! |
| 09:11.36 | dokma | petemc: thanks! |
| 09:12.13 | florida- | 6667 and any other? |
| 09:12.21 | hicham | is there any channel for packaging help ? |
| 09:12.29 | florida- | no_al_nonnismo, |
| 09:12.33 | florida- | ^ |
| 09:12.56 | XSlicer | lolcat, yes |
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| 09:14.33 | florida- | what ports are used for irc |
| 09:14.52 | XSlicer | 6110-6112, 7000 mostly |
| 09:15.08 | XSlicer | eh I mean |
| 09:15.12 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: /etc/services says also 194 and 994 ports (but i've never seen those being used ) |
| 09:15.33 | XSlicer | 6666-6667, 6697, but for example Freenode uses 8001 |
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| 09:15.45 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: many servers use ports from 6666 to 6669 also |
| 09:16.00 | florida- | hm |
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| 09:16.18 | no_al_nonnismo | XSlicer: i'm using 6697 on freenode o.O |
| 09:16.21 | florida- | freenode uses 6667 also ? |
| 09:16.25 | XSlicer | 6697 is ssl |
| 09:16.51 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: 6667 is the default, but each server could add many other ports. |
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| 09:17.16 | XSlicer | All freenode servers listen on ports 6665, 6666, 6667, 6697 (SSL only), 7000 (SSL only), 7070 (SSL only), 8000, 8001 and 8002. |
| 09:17.25 | no_al_nonnismo | XSlicer: i know. but havent freenode also 6667 ? (i've never heard about 8001 on freenode .. ) |
| 09:17.41 | no_al_nonnismo | XSlicer: ah, ok |
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| 09:17.55 | florida- | thx |
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| 09:18.21 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: it depends. do you need to unlock the ports to access freenode or to access other networks? |
| 09:18.53 | no_al_nonnismo | florida-: each network could set whatever ports it wants |
| 09:19.17 | florida- | hm |
| 09:19.18 | florida- | ok |
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| 09:20.08 | babilen | !tell florida- -about free ram |
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| 09:22.20 | florida- | babilen, thanks . great |
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| 09:41.06 | no_al_no1nismo | hi |
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| 09:42.34 | no_al_no1nismo | i'm installing debian with the netinstall. If i de-select "gui" in the software installation menu can i obtain *exactly* the same set of software using later "apt-get install gnome" ? |
| 09:42.47 | no_al_no1nismo | is that menu choice == "apt-get install gnome" ? |
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| 09:43.34 | PerfDave | no_al_no1nismo: No, because it installs X as well, and other things |
| 09:43.57 | PerfDave | !tell no_al_no1nismo about tasksel |
| 09:44.05 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: how can i obtain that ? |
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| 09:44.58 | PerfDave | no_al_no1nismo: Is there a reason you don't just select it in the installation menu? |
| 09:45.02 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: ah, ok. So the only way is to install gui directly during the installatio stage |
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| 09:45.47 | PerfDave | no_al_no1nismo: No, that's not the only way. I just want to know what you're trying to achieve and why. |
| 09:46.17 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: i'd like to finish rapidly the installation. then i'll be able to use the console on tty2 (for example) while using another console (tty1 for example) to do the gui intallation (gnome) |
| 09:47.15 | PerfDave | no_al_no1nismo: Fair enough. Finish the installation then run tasksel again to install the GUI, or install Gnome and Xorg outside tasksel. |
| 09:47.16 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: the idea is also to be able to move the notebook , so i could use it in another place and use apt-get via wireless. |
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| 09:47.50 | PerfDave | no_al_no1nismo: You'll probably want to install a GUI before you get on the wifi, if you want to use the nice GUI tools for connecting to wireless networks ;) |
| 09:48.10 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: good. thanks. So the only thing i'll have to do is "apt-get install tasksel; tasksel" and select the gui. |
| 09:48.33 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: no thanks ( xD ) . I have all my ifconfig + iwconfig scripts :) |
| 09:48.49 | PerfDave | I expect tasksel will already be installed. |
| 09:48.50 | no_al_no1nismo | (i dont use network-manager) |
| 09:48.53 | PerfDave | Fair enough, if you like pain :) |
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| 09:50.15 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: what pain? o.O i can easily switch between wire and wireless connection seaminglessly . I've never lose a tcp connection while doing switch eth0 -> wlan0 or wlan0 -> eth0 :) |
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| 09:56.15 | PerfDave | no_al_no1nismo: BTW "tasksel --task-packages desktop" might be interesting |
| 09:58.42 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: what does it do ? |
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| 09:59.51 | no_al_no1nismo | PerfDave: "desktop" ? but i use a notebook .. ?!? |
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| 10:01.34 | no_al_no1nismo | lollo64it culo XD |
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| 10:06.30 | metaphysician | DYK: the Debian logo (http://www.debian.org/logos/officiallogo.svg) has been generated using proprietary software (Adobe Illustrator 10.0). |
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| 10:07.37 | metaphysician | ^ see the source of the svg |
| 10:08.01 | amt0101 | Hello, has anyone successfully connected to freenode using debian+irssi+tor? |
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| 10:22.50 | jackweb | Have you met such situation? I enabled bootlog in /etc/default/bootlogd and the content of /var/log/boot is: |
| 10:23.08 | jackweb | (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
| 10:23.40 | jackweb | (I changed from No to Yes in the config file and rebooted the netbook.) |
| 10:23.46 | jackweb | Debian = wheezy/testing |
| 10:24.56 | babilen | jackweb: Did you install bootlogd? (And note that testing is typically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) |
| 10:26.17 | babilen | jackweb: /etc/default/bootlogd shouldn't exist anymore (not quite sure about the situation in testing though, haven't checked) |
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| 10:27.06 | jackweb | bootlogd was not installed at all.. :( |
| 10:27.21 | jackweb | I thought that it is installed defaultly |
| 10:28.10 | babilen | jackweb: Well install it! Which version of initscripts do you have installed? |
| 10:28.45 | jackweb | 2.88dsf-13.11 |
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| 10:28.51 | metaphysician | http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc Only 3 developers from my country have added their coordinates. i would like to be the fourth. :) |
| 10:29.14 | jackweb | (from dpkg -l) |
| 10:29.16 | metaphysician | s/3/4/ |
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| 10:29.54 | babilen | jackweb: Could you please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-get update ; aptitude search ~U" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:30.07 | babilen | jackweb: Ah, throw in "apt-cache policy initscripts" as well. |
| 10:30.25 | jackweb | why? |
| 10:30.45 | babilen | jackweb: I suspect that something is wrong with your system and I would like to verify that suspicion. |
| 10:30.50 | jackweb | ok |
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| 10:32.40 | babilen | metaphysician: Who are you? (e.g. what is your debian login?) |
| 10:33.34 | babilen | metaphysician: Just log into https://db.debian.org/login.html and update your settings. |
| 10:34.11 | metaphysician | babilen: i don't have a debian login yet. But i would like to contribute to Debian in future |
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| 10:34.40 | babilen | metaphysician: Ah, that map only shows the location of DDs. I guess you have to wait a little before *your* dot appears. |
| 10:35.09 | clod89 | i'm trying to build the fglrx module from backports against the 3.2.0 kernel but it fails to build |
| 10:35.53 | babilen | is not surprised |
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| 10:37.00 | babilen | clod89: Where did you find a backport of fglrx-driver? |
| 10:37.24 | babilen | ah, on bdo :) |
| 10:37.45 | clod89 | babilen: in the squeeze backports |
| 10:38.06 | babilen | clod89: Yeah, just found it as well. I guess that you have fglrx-driver and the kernel installed from backports? |
| 10:38.17 | clod89 | babilen: yes |
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| 10:40.07 | babilen | jackweb: Your system is not fully up-to-date. Please run "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Btw, you also have to run "apt-get update" as some repositories are still active (i.e. opera, google) that are *not* in your sources.list -- As you can see initscripts is outdated (among a couple of other packages) |
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| 10:40.52 | babilen | clod89: I am not entirely sure if the backported fglrx-driver is supposed to work with the backported kernel. What is the build error? Did you install the linux-header package from backports as well? |
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| 10:41.12 | babilen | clod89: Or in short: What did you do (exactly) and what error do you get? |
| 10:41.17 | clod89 | babilen: yes i installed the linux-header from the backport as well |
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| 10:42.28 | jackweb | babilen: the first aptitude's suggestion is to remove gnome-core :D |
| 10:42.35 | babilen | clod89: Just to satisfy my curiosity: Why do you want to use fglrx at all? The free radeon driver is typically much less hassle and might even work better most of the time. |
| 10:43.05 | clod89 | babilen: generally i always had much worse performances on this card with the free radeon driver |
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| 10:43.47 | babilen | jackweb: I guess that you've removed a dependency of gnome (say evolution) -- I was also *not* suggesting to use aptitude, but apt-get. You have to select *all* packages you want to keep as manually installed. Did you remove any gnome related software? How did you install gnome? |
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| 10:44.14 | babilen | clod89: Are you sure that the firmware-package and libgl1-mesa-dri was installed? (that is needed for hardware acceleration) |
| 10:44.14 | jackweb | babilen: ah, apt-get |
| 10:45.03 | babilen | jackweb: It shouldn't matter though. You can use aptitude, but it will remove unneeded packages automatically. Your definition of unneeded might be different though. Did you remove any gnome related software? How did you install gnome? |
| 10:45.07 | clod89 | babilen: i'll give it as shot |
| 10:45.15 | babilen | !tell clod89 -about radeon |
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| 10:45.45 | jackweb | babilen: I rembered that I had to remove gnome due to lots of conflicts after upgrade |
| 10:46.00 | jackweb | and I had to install it again |
| 10:46.28 | babilen | jackweb: I have no idea what you did. You might want to "apt-get install gnome-session ; apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Paste the output to http://paste.debian.net so I can check if everything is fine now. |
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| 10:46.50 | jackweb | ok |
| 10:47.13 | jackweb | babilen: gnome-session is latest |
| 10:47.41 | babilen | jackweb: Is it marked as being manually installed? |
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| 10:51.40 | jackweb | babilen: how to check it? |
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| 10:54.15 | daniel-s | hi |
| 10:54.21 | daniel-s | are there very many people around? |
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| 10:55.11 | jelly | probably not, daniel-s |
| 10:55.19 | daniel-s | lol |
| 10:55.35 | daniel-s | I have a problem when compiling code |
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| 10:55.47 | daniel-s | I don't mind using ./compile make and make install |
| 10:55.55 | jelly | !ask |
| 10:55.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:56.01 | jelly | !paste |
| 10:56.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 10:56.04 | daniel-s | and installing some needed package if ./compile doesn't work |
| 10:56.29 | daniel-s | but, I don't like that I don't have control over any piece of software I'm building and installing on the system |
| 10:56.41 | daniel-s | where does it normally get installed and how do I control that software |
| 10:57.00 | daniel-s | ie. update it, if I need to build a new version will it just overwrite the older one |
| 10:57.12 | daniel-s | what is happening when I "make install"? |
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| 10:58.17 | jelly | daniel-s: in a binary-based packaging system, the cleanest way to replace software with newer versions is to use packages with newer versions., and build those packages if you have to |
| 10:58.53 | daniel-s | what about software that isn't packaged in debian? |
| 10:59.07 | jelly | ideally you'd package it yourself as well |
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| 11:00.14 | nsadmin | there are a small number of very many people |
| 11:00.33 | jelly | daniel-s: alternatively, you'd use a filesystem structure that does not clash with the OS, and install it there. Eg. you might use /opt/vendorname for the build and installation prefix |
| 11:01.02 | jelly | !usrlocal |
| 11:01.02 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb> |
| 11:01.12 | jelly | !/opt |
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| 11:01.13 | dpkg | hmm... /opt is for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See <usrlocal>, <FHS> |
| 11:01.21 | jelly | sigh |
| 11:01.54 | jackweb | babilen: jacek@debian:~$ apt-mark showmanual | grep 'gnome-session' |
| 11:01.54 | jackweb | gnome-session |
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| 11:03.15 | nsadmin | you could do as the usrlocal factoid, and --prefix=/usr/local/yourthingy |
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| 11:04.16 | nsadmin | to use it, you'll need to add to both PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:04.41 | jelly | daniel-s: an install target of a Makefile typically puts files under the install prefix, and performs other actions to make the software ready to use |
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| 11:06.03 | daniel-s | nsadmin: is LD_LIBRARY_PATH to libraries what PATH is to regular executables? |
| 11:06.28 | nsadmin | yes, I believe ld.so reads it |
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| 11:16.13 | nsadmin | the other way to ensure your software works as installed, is to install it in a system-wide path. /usr is one of those, and debian uses it, so it would be pretty easy for debian to overwrite your stuff and for you to overwrite debian;s... if you use /usr/local (which is the default), you wouldn't have to set PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH because /usr/local/bin is already in PATH and /etc/ld.so.conf has /usr/local/lib, the combina |
| 11:16.14 | nsadmin | tion of which make /usr/local a known system-wide path |
| 11:16.52 | [TheFlash] | does anyone know why the audacious package is broken? |
| 11:17.15 | nsadmin | it's working fine in stable |
| 11:17.16 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions audacious |
| 11:17.16 | judd | Package: audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2.2-2; wheezy: 3.2.2-2 |
| 11:17.37 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: i'm getting a "E: Broken Package" error |
| 11:18.01 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: oh, i have the backports repository |
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| 11:18.10 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: maybe that's the problem? |
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| 11:18.37 | nsadmin | dunno... what version is it? |
| 11:19.01 | [TheFlash] | audacious : Depends: libaudclient2 (= 2.3-2) but 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed |
| 11:22.14 | [TheFlash] | which parameter can i add to apt-get to select the repository? |
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| 11:22.35 | nsadmin | -t |
| 11:23.07 | [TheFlash] | thanks, it works |
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| 11:23.27 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 11:24.54 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions tmux |
| 11:24.55 | judd | Package: tmux on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.3-2+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.6-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.6-2; wheezy: 1.6-2; experimental: 1.7~svn2788-1 |
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| 11:26.23 | Agiofws | hey |
| 11:26.32 | die7 | I am looking for enterprise system management solution aka puppet or spacewalk, is there other exp or tools you can recoment for ca 400 server, tnx!? |
| 11:26.35 | Agiofws | anyone here using icedove ? |
| 11:26.40 | [TheFlash] | the backports repository is really useful |
| 11:27.18 | PerfDave | die7: cfengine2 is old but good. chef is trendy. puppet's an enormous pile of failwank. |
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| 11:27.40 | [TheFlash] | are packages from the backports repository considered "stable"? |
| 11:27.46 | Agiofws | anyone ? |
| 11:27.58 | nevyn | disagrees that puppet is failwank |
| 11:28.09 | Horace[] | Hello, is there a meta package that will pull all necessary compiler tools to build from source? IE. apt-get install compilertools |
| 11:28.12 | PerfDave | [TheFlash]: I don't see how they could be. They change, and haven't been through the same testing process. |
| 11:28.17 | PerfDave | Horace[]: build-essential |
| 11:28.29 | Horace[] | Thanks |
| 11:28.55 | [TheFlash] | PerfDave: hmm... is there any way I can get a list of all packages on my system and from which repository they came from? |
| 11:29.07 | nevyn | die7: spacewalk and puppet/chef/bcfg2/cfengine do different things |
| 11:29.14 | PerfDave | [TheFlash]: I'm sure there are aptitude runes to do that, but I don't know what they might be :) |
| 11:29.22 | nsadmin | Horace[], that works as far as it goes... check the README and/or INSTALL files in the source to find the build requirements |
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| 11:29.42 | [TheFlash] | PerfDave: i'd like to use the stable repository as much as possible |
| 11:29.51 | Horace[] | Thanks |
| 11:30.06 | PerfDave | [TheFlash]: That's a sensible attitude :) |
| 11:30.06 | Agiofws | anyone here using icedove ? |
| 11:30.07 | die7 | nevyn: well I preffer one solution with RIS, patchmanagement and sysadmin, sure also monitoring |
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| 11:30.54 | nevyn | RIS? |
| 11:31.21 | die7 | nevyn: remote install server, deployment of systems |
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| 11:31.29 | nevyn | ok. |
| 11:31.34 | nevyn | ris is the windows term |
| 11:31.45 | die7 | nevyn: :) |
| 11:31.56 | Horace[] | Yeah, I am pretty familiarize with building from source, I build from source often... Just on this box I didn't have any compiler tools installed. It's nice to have the base meta package though, avoids unnecessary repetitive steps |
| 11:32.05 | nevyn | so you have 400 debian systems? |
| 11:32.28 | Agiofws | hey whats the proper name for icedove ? |
| 11:32.29 | die7 | nevyn: ca 200 red hat and 200 debs |
| 11:32.35 | nevyn | ok |
| 11:32.36 | PerfDave | Horace[]: DOn't forget to install everything into /usr/local/ to avoid stamping on the packaging system. |
| 11:32.40 | Agiofws | can't find many searches on it on google ? |
| 11:32.47 | PerfDave | Agiofws: What do you mean? The proper name for Icedove is Icedove. |
| 11:32.55 | nevyn | so spacewalk/satellite/blah is particularly good at stuff like cve -> affected systems |
| 11:33.04 | Horace[] | PerfDave, always :P xD |
| 11:33.05 | [TheFlash] | PerfDave: ok, i just replaced the backports audacious with the stable one |
| 11:33.21 | Agiofws | i think PerfDave theres been a fork like iceweasel from firefox |
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| 11:33.29 | gocuchocolate | hello |
| 11:33.44 | gocuchocolate | I have a problem with the battery with Debian |
| 11:33.48 | gocuchocolate | In Debian the battery lasts me less than other operating systems |
| 11:33.50 | nevyn | puppet/chef/etc are really about ensuring system uniformity in configuration |
| 11:33.54 | PerfDave | Agiofws: Icedove is a rebranding of Thunderbird, but its "proper name" is still Icedove. |
| 11:34.06 | Agiofws | all of the sudden my address book HAS Vanished ... can you help me ? |
| 11:34.32 | nsadmin | gocuchocolate, do you think this is more related to disk or cpu? |
| 11:34.34 | die7 | nevyn: satelite is already in use but for my opinion to complex |
| 11:34.54 | PerfDave | gocuchocolate: When you installed Debian, did you select the "laptop" task? |
| 11:35.12 | gocuchocolate | nsadmin : The cpu cant be. I have it in powersave. Yes |
| 11:35.13 | die7 | nevyn: so I lok for alternative |
| 11:35.19 | nevyn | die7: spacewalk IS satellite. |
| 11:35.24 | nevyn | you know that right? |
| 11:35.46 | die7 | nevyn: sure open version from satelite |
| 11:35.55 | gocuchocolate | It is one hour the time less |
| 11:36.10 | nsadmin | out of how many hours? |
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| 11:36.44 | nevyn | die7: yes. |
| 11:37.08 | gocuchocolate | With other 5-6 hours +-. And with Debian 4 |
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| 11:37.55 | babilen | gocuchocolate: What kind of hardware is this? |
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| 11:38.55 | gocuchocolate | It is a netbook. It have one of the first intel atom |
| 11:39.07 | stew | gocuchocolate: see if powertop can help you trim the battery usage |
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| 11:39.12 | nsadmin | gocuchocolate, do you notice a lot of disk access with debian that doesn't happen with others? |
| 11:39.51 | gocuchocolate | nsadmin: No, less than the others. In debian is faster |
| 11:40.05 | nevyn | die7: so what's complicated about satellite? |
| 11:40.10 | babilen | gocuchocolate: You might want to try a newer kernel (cf. "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"), tweak settings with powertop and it might even make sense to use a different governor (but on-demand is typically sensible) |
| 11:40.21 | nevyn | wow that's ot for here actually |
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| 11:41.34 | gocuchocolate | Powertop in debian is diferent than in other distros, I cant change anything with it in debian |
| 11:42.12 | stew | gocuchocolate: you mean the stuff like "hit R in order to have me fix foo" doesn't work? |
| 11:42.39 | babilen | gocuchocolate: You might have to run it with superuser privileges |
| 11:42.47 | stew | ^^ |
| 11:43.17 | gocuchocolate | With other distros powertop have some tweaks, and in Debian no. Yes, I am with root |
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| 11:43.32 | die7 | nevyn: admin have lack of knowledge :) |
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| 11:44.27 | babilen | gocuchocolate: It is very hard to help you without knowing what you are referring to exactly. Do you mean that "other distro" (whatever that might be) ships powertop with patches that are not applied in Debian? |
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| 11:44.52 | die7 | gocuchocolate: powertop forking fine and it will you provide suggestion |
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| 11:45.39 | gocuchocolate | powertop in debian http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/powertop.png powertop in others https://01.org/powertop/sites/default/files/styles/home_highlights/public/highlights/powertop20_overview.png |
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| 11:46.42 | babilen | gocuchocolate: You realise that these show different versions of powertop, don't you? |
| 11:46.46 | babilen | ,v powertop |
| 11:46.47 | judd | Package: powertop on i386 -- lenny: 1.10-2; squeeze: 1.11-1; wheezy: 1.97-2; sid: 1.97-2.1 |
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| 11:47.14 | gocuchocolate | how can I install the lattest? |
| 11:47.43 | nsadmin | you can install the one meant for your version of debian, or you can backport and install that |
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| 11:48.09 | babilen | gocuchocolate: You can probably backport it from sid (cf. "/msg dpkg ssb"), but note that the version in sid is buggy at the moment. (just crashed for me and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=powertop) |
| 11:48.31 | xy | Hello, i am trying to update a installation from lenny to squeeze. i updated sources.list but i get a gpg error now: |
| 11:48.36 | babilen | gocuchocolate: What is it you are missing in the powertop version in squeeze exactly? |
| 11:48.37 | gocuchocolate | And can I compile the latest? |
| 11:48.38 | xy | "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 11:48.41 | xy | " |
| 11:48.57 | ksk | do an safe-upgrade before you edit the source list |
| 11:49.03 | ksk | in general follow: |
| 11:49.04 | gocuchocolate | babilen : the tunable tab |
| 11:49.05 | nevyn | die7: staff sucking is something you need to address with training and development |
| 11:49.09 | ksk | !tell xy about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:49.16 | ksk | you can still impot the gpg key manually anyway |
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| 11:50.33 | die7 | nevyn: sure I just was interesting on community exp to chose best tool |
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| 11:51.16 | gocuchocolate | I am going to install debian testing pakage |
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| 11:52.11 | babilen | gocuchocolate: No, please don't do that. Just backport it yourself as detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" (mentioned that earlier) |
| 11:52.23 | nevyn | die7: so depending on your organisation, scale, risk appetite etc "best" changes |
| 11:53.27 | gocuchocolate | in backport is not powertop |
| 11:53.39 | nevyn | die7: also there's no best that covers all of installation, management, compliance/reporting, monitoring in one package |
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| 11:54.24 | die7 | nevyn: what about chef can you recommend it? |
| 11:54.42 | nevyn | I personally think chef is fundamentally broken |
| 11:54.54 | gocuchocolate | babilen : There is other way to install it updated? |
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| 11:55.33 | die7 | nevyn: so you mean spacewalk/satelite shoud stay as solution? |
| 11:55.36 | babilen | gocuchocolate: Did you read the <ssb> factoid? Please also re-read the "You can […] backport it yourself" part of an earlier message and pay close attention to the "yourself" |
| 11:56.01 | babilen | gocuchocolate: And there I managed to misquote myself :) |
| 11:56.10 | nevyn | die7: no I mean to solve the whole problem you need more than satellite or chef/puppet |
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| 11:56.45 | gocuchocolate | I dont know how to do that |
| 11:56.49 | babilen | gocuchocolate: The package is *not* in squeeze-backports, but you can create one yourself quite easily. Please note that powertop in sid is quite buggy and that it might or might not work. |
| 11:57.08 | gocuchocolate | and if I use this https://01.org/powertop/sites/default/files/downloads/powertop-2.0.tar.bz2 |
| 11:57.25 | die7 | nevyn: can you give me some points pls |
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| 11:57.34 | nevyn | die7: in my view you need ticketing, event managenet (nagios) capacity management (ganglia/munin) configuration managment (puppet/chef) orchestration etc |
| 11:58.08 | die7 | nevyn: nagios, munin, monit is alrready in use |
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| 11:58.35 | babilen | gocuchocolate: Then you use software that is completely unrelated to Debian. You surely can do that, but I would still recommend the Debian package. I am also not convinced that the problems with powertop are related to Debian's packaging, but guess that you'll have the same problems with the version from upstream. All that being said: Please make sure that you install locally compiled software to /usr/local |
| 11:58.50 | die7 | nevyn: also fog server in test-phase |
| 11:58.58 | babilen | gocuchocolate: Installation to /usr/local are convieniently managed with stow btw -- See "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage" |
| 11:59.47 | gocuchocolate | how can I built it on a .deb? |
| 12:00.01 | abrotman | gocuchocolate: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 12:00.09 | abrotman | but powertop is already in Debian |
| 12:00.19 | abrotman | !tell gocuchocolate about uupdate |
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| 12:04.09 | nevyn | die7: so... what's the problem you want to solve? |
| 12:04.17 | sulh | Hi. When installing a metapackage, can I tell apt to show the size of each individual package in addition to the total size? |
| 12:04.57 | die7 | nevyn: system configuration as first, depoloyment of systems and patching |
| 12:05.29 | nevyn | die7: so what bit of system configuration? |
| 12:05.49 | die7 | nevyn: services, security, user management |
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| 12:06.14 | nevyn | ok |
| 12:06.20 | die7 | nevyn: package deployment |
| 12:06.37 | nevyn | those are all things that play into the chef/puppet wheelhouse |
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| 12:07.15 | nevyn | retrofit is HARD |
| 12:07.33 | nsadmin | barbie thought so too... |
| 12:07.34 | die7 | nevyn: cool well I will try this twos since I really miss a knowledge about this topic |
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| 12:08.36 | die7 | nevyn: but definitely I can not run manually anymore |
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| 12:09.57 | nevyn | die7: the problem is |
| 12:10.35 | nevyn | die7: introducing configuration management into an existing environment requires different skills of your sysadmins |
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| 12:10.56 | die7 | nevyn: the problem is lack of skills in this area |
| 12:11.26 | die7 | nevyn: but we have some exp |
| 12:11.35 | nevyn | die7: configuration management requires many more software devlopment type skills |
| 12:12.09 | die7 | nevyn: sure but we need to go trough |
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| 12:13.52 | gocuchocolate | babilen : worked ^^ One last question, can I install libre office 3.50 in debian? It have 3.4 |
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| 12:14.01 | sulh | Also, can I always be on 'testing' regardless of the current testing distribution being wheezy, effectively using Debian as a rolling-release? is it advisable to do so? |
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| 12:14.32 | themill | sulh: you're in for a rough ride just after a release |
| 12:14.43 | babilen | gocuchocolate: Not yet on stable. You can, naturally, backport the sid package yourself. |
| 12:14.45 | abrotman | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 12:14.46 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.6-2; sid: 1:3.5.3-5; experimental: 1:3.5.4~rc2-1 |
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| 12:15.07 | hje841 | does anybody know about login-security? If I am to use the first countermeassur mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_attack Am I then supposed to store passwords in plaintext in my server database? |
| 12:15.15 | sulh | themill: should I keep wheezy then and wait to upgrade when things stabilize? maybe just reinstall keeping /home? |
| 12:15.24 | hje841 | not sure if it's the right place, but I think you guys a wise enough |
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| 12:15.25 | die7 | nevyn: is there some cool howtos you can recommend ? |
| 12:16.06 | lasers` | sulh: Your call, really. |
| 12:16.08 | themill | sulh: reinstalling wouldn't be necessary. Yes, it's sometimes worth avoiding testing for a few months after a release. |
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| 12:16.41 | sulh | lasers`, themill: thanks. |
| 12:16.42 | gocuchocolate | babilen : How can I do it? |
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| 12:17.13 | babilen | gocuchocolate: "/msg dpkg ssb" ;) |
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| 12:17.54 | babilen | gocuchocolate: Note that you will *not* receive automatic updates and that you have to make sure to keep that package up-to-date. |
| 12:18.09 | gocuchocolate | ok, thanks |
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| 12:20.09 | gocuchocolate | but it will take hours to compile |
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| 12:20.41 | abrotman | hours to compile powertop ? |
| 12:20.56 | gocuchocolate | no, libre office |
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| 12:23.28 | stephan48 | hi what would be the best way to contact the maintainers of ldap2bind/ldap2zone? |
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| 12:25.54 | stummi | stephan48, depends on your issue |
| 12:26.09 | stummi | to report a bug just send it to the bts |
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| 12:27.14 | stummi | if you have something, which may needs some closure (e.g. critical security bugs) you could write a mail to the adress which is defined in the maintainer-field of the package |
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| 12:29.06 | stephan48 | stummi: i got a patch which fixes 2 bugs and enhances ldap2bind/ldap2zone featureset a bit |
| 12:29.43 | stummi | stephan48, send it to the bts |
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| 12:30.08 | stephan48 | k |
| 12:30.20 | stummi | stephan48, or if it also aplies to the upstream you could send it there. Thats your decission i think |
| 12:30.32 | wo0f | what bnc is best? |
| 12:30.41 | stephan48 | irssi+mod_proxy |
| 12:31.00 | stummi | wo0f, i had used znc for a while, thats ok |
| 12:31.41 | stephan48 | actually it is for upstream, it fixes a bug which makes the ldap2bin script unable to work 1. when fetching records from another host(not localhost) 2. when a base is required(f.e. on multi DIT openldap setups) |
| 12:31.52 | stummi | stephan48, as i see he asked for a bouncer, not an irc client |
| 12:32.27 | stephan48 | you can run it as bouncer and as irc client |
| 12:32.29 | wo0f | stummi, stephan48 hmmm. im checking out shroudBNC, web interface looks like a nice feat.? |
| 12:33.51 | wo0f | stummi, stephan48 but its not in the repo :O |
| 12:33.52 | xy | Hello, i upgraded my lenny machine to squeeze. |
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| 12:34.09 | xy | now, when running passwd, it asks for a "kerberos password" |
| 12:34.22 | xy | what is that? and how can i disable that? |
| 12:34.34 | wo0f | nb. ( http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sbnc ) |
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| 12:34.58 | stephan48 | wo0f: sry didnt use sbnc for ages |
| 12:35.13 | wo0f | stephan48, is it decent? |
| 12:36.52 | stephan48 | wo0f: sbnc? |
| 12:36.55 | stephan48 | i cant tell |
| 12:37.42 | wo0f | stephan48, oh sry thought you were an x user |
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| 12:38.15 | trung | Hi Debians |
| 12:38.47 | trung | I want to start using debian again and use cobbler to allow me to provision many systems |
| 12:39.19 | die7 | trung: same to me |
| 12:39.22 | trung | Should i, 1) download the DVD images or are there some repositories i can reposync for use with the netinstall? |
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| 12:41.47 | babilen | trung: I would recommend to setup apt-cache-ng or approx on a server and use that for the installation. Mirroring the complete archive is typically not necessary. Another approach would be to use a common web proxy. See "/msg dpkg apt-cache-ng", "/msg dpkg approx", "/msg dpkg squid deb caching" for details. |
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| 12:43.01 | arcsky | how can i check what filesystem a USB drive run? i have tried with fdisk -l /dev/sdc but i cant find anything intressting there |
| 12:43.22 | frostschutz | arcsky: file -s /dev/sdc* |
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| 12:44.30 | nkuttler | arcsky: or just mount |
| 12:44.43 | arcsky | frostschutz: /dev/sdc: 1023120 |
| 12:44.44 | arcsky | /dev/sdc1: 1023119 |
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| 12:45.16 | trung | babilen: i prefer to download before hand. as most of the day i work without an internet connection |
| 12:45.31 | trung | so i'd like to download the whole i386 repository if possible |
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| 12:46.12 | babilen | trung: On how many machines do you want to install? |
| 12:48.03 | jackweb | babilen: now there is no package to install using dist-upgrade; all packages have been installed; thanks :) |
| 12:48.06 | babilen | trung: But look into debmirror is you *really* want to download the complete archive. (Please be aware that you will download a lot of software that you will never use) -- using, say, DVD1 for the installation might make more sense. |
| 12:48.15 | babilen | jackweb: Wonderful, enjoy! |
| 12:48.56 | lasers` | babilen: /msg dpkg apt-cache-ng -> i don't know |
| 12:49.20 | themill | lasers`: apt-cacher-ng (extra r) |
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| 12:49.25 | babilen | lasers`: It is "apt-cacher-ng" (note the "r" in cacher) -- Thanks for pointing that out. |
| 12:49.30 | babilen | trung: ^^^ |
| 12:49.34 | lasers` | Ah. Thanks. :) |
| 12:49.40 | trung | babilen: unknown at the moment, i want to use it with cobbler |
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| 12:50.15 | trung | i dont mind if i have a lot of software i dont use |
| 12:50.19 | themill | trung: please don't waste donated bandwidth on packages you're never going to install. I'm yet to see a machine with more than ~8% of the available packages installed on it. |
| 12:50.47 | trung | themill: appreciate the advice |
| 12:51.10 | trung | fortunately my isp peers with the mirror |
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| 12:51.24 | babilen | trung: I would strongly recommend to run a caching proxy on the server that runs cobbler. It is *very likely* that you'll download the same set of packages over and over again. You can even use DVDs as the primary source if the cobbler server is not connected to the internet. |
| 12:51.27 | trung | how are the dvd's split? what is in dvd 2? |
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| 12:51.50 | babilen | trung: They are split by popularity. |
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| 12:51.54 | babilen | !tell trung about cd content |
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| 12:52.18 | trung | interesting |
| 12:52.30 | trung | babilen: i think i'll try dvd1 and the apt-cacher u recommended |
| 12:52.47 | stew | why would you download a dvd image if you have a good network connection? |
| 12:53.05 | stew | dvd images are intended for delivering packages to machines with no network connection |
| 12:53.07 | babilen | stew: Apparently trung is offline "most of the day" |
| 12:53.18 | stew | oh |
| 12:53.20 | trung | at home i have a good network connection, but at on the move i tether to my mobile.. not something i want to be downloading packages over |
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| 12:54.00 | trung | so not exactly offline, but 'transfer conscientious' |
| 12:54.11 | babilen | But I have to confess that I don't quite understand how "My ISP peers with the mirror" and "as most of the day i work without an internet connection" fits together. |
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| 12:54.58 | babilen | trung: How is you walking around with your personal machine related to the cobbler server and the initial installation? |
| 12:54.59 | trung | My ISP at home peers with the the mirror, which gives me some of the fastest speeds i can access in my whole country. aus. |
| 12:55.30 | trung | I have cobbler on my laptop which i tether to at work which is not too speedy |
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| 12:56.59 | babilen | trung: Ok just to clarify: You have a server running at location A and it has good network connection. You want to install N machines at location A and your personal laptop is one of them. You want N-1 machines to be able to use a local mirror/archive proxy and your personal laptop to be able to install software when you are on the road? Is that correct? |
| 12:57.04 | babilen | argh |
| 12:57.07 | trung | babilen: i want to learn about debian and the type of integration needed with cobbler as a 'one-stop-shop' for managing different linux distros for linux server installation/provisioning |
| 12:57.28 | trung | babilen: sorry if i am not clear, let me try to clarify |
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| 12:57.39 | babilen | trung: I think I understand now |
| 12:58.40 | trung | i have everything on the laptop, and at home i have a good internet connection, i run virtualbox vm running cobbler on centos6. I use that to provision other vms, |
| 12:58.57 | trung | i want to provision debian systems now in a vm with virtualbox |
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| 12:59.08 | stew | trung: you are going to run a debian mirror? |
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| 12:59.11 | trung | i want to be able to do that anywhere and play around with debian |
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| 12:59.23 | ecksun | How can I check the installation/upgrade time of a package? |
| 12:59.32 | stew | ecksun: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 12:59.41 | ecksun | thank you :) |
| 12:59.57 | trung | stew: i am considering that.. but under advice here, it may not be required just yet. but maybe in the future |
| 13:00.15 | stew | trung: note that a debian mirror chnages by multiple gigs every day |
| 13:00.25 | trung | stew: wow |
| 13:00.37 | stew | maybe 15 gigs a day? |
| 13:00.42 | trung | i found that reposyncing centos-6 and epel, i am able pretty much yum install anything anytime and explore and learn |
| 13:00.56 | trung | stew: crazy |
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| 13:01.22 | stew | http://ftp-master.debian.org/size-quarter.png |
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| 13:01.49 | trung | stew: whats a dinstall? |
| 13:01.53 | trung | debian install? |
| 13:02.05 | stew | the script which copies new packages into the master archive |
| 13:02.11 | trung | what happened between april and may? |
| 13:03.17 | trung | stew: are mirror changes due to the sheer amount of packages ? |
| 13:03.24 | stew | yes |
| 13:03.44 | trung | are old package deleted? |
| 13:03.49 | stew | 4 times a day |
| 13:03.52 | trung | excuse me for my ignorance, it's a new world for me |
| 13:04.35 | trung | that's a great graph |
| 13:04.41 | arcsky | If i got an USB drive (/dev/sdc) with an image and i want to copy that image first to my pc and after that to next USB drive (/dev/sdd). is this correct 1. dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=myimage.img 2. mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdd1 3. d if=/myimage.img of=/dev/sdd1 |
| 13:04.48 | trung | whoever produces that, well done |
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| 13:05.28 | xand | arcsky: mfks is not needed. |
| 13:05.43 | xand | are the disks the same size? |
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| 13:06.03 | arcsky | xand: yes same size |
| 13:07.05 | xand | I would copy /dev/sdd rather than sdd1 |
| 13:07.09 | arcsky | but i get dd: writing to `/dev/sdd1': Input/output error |
| 13:07.35 | xand | eg. dd if=/dev/sdd of=file ; dd if=file of=/dev/sdd |
| 13:07.47 | xand | (sorry first one should be sdc) |
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| 13:12.50 | ChrisH | arcsky: I assume you get the "dd: writing to `/dev/sdd1': Input/output error" becuase there is no partion named sdd1... use the sdc/sdd device files, which will duplicate the partiontable too. |
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| 13:17.38 | trung | shame, australian aarnet mirror does not offer dvd mirror downloads |
| 13:17.40 | trung | :( |
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| 13:18.55 | trung | actually i cant even find the packages it mirrors. poking around in http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/ i only found repo indexes, etc |
| 13:19.00 | themill | trung: cd (and dvd) images are on different networks. |
| 13:19.06 | themill | +mirror |
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| 13:19.39 | trung | themill: different networks? can you give me a pointer? |
| 13:20.00 | stew | trung: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
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| 13:20.04 | stummi | arcsky, of you have both sticks plugged in you also could just do "dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd |
| 13:20.20 | stummi | which should take half the time |
| 13:20.26 | trung | of course.. shame, they dont offer the cd/dvd images |
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| 13:20.34 | stew | "cp /dev/sdc /dev/sdd" would probably be even faster |
| 13:20.45 | themill | trung: packages are in "pool". BTW last time I looked, use of aarnet like that wasn't as free as you seem to be implying it to be. |
| 13:20.55 | babilen | trung: :0 w |
| 13:20.55 | babilen | * ^List-Id: .*<level1people.inf.ed.ac.uk> |
| 13:20.55 | babilen | | $LDA -m ed.inf-general |
| 13:21.00 | babilen | gna! |
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| 13:21.04 | stummi | stew, realy? didn't knew yet that something like this works |
| 13:21.09 | babilen | apologises :-/ |
| 13:21.27 | trung | themill: aarnet peers with many aussie isps |
| 13:21.43 | stew | stummi: sure, and it attempts to actually be smart about the blocksize, instead of yours which uses a 512 byte blocksize |
| 13:21.47 | trung | including my isp, so it's unmetered |
| 13:21.53 | babilen | trung: That should have been http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-dvd/ (as an exmaple for an australian mirror that carries DVDs) |
| 13:22.19 | stew | are you suggesting mirroring the debian archive using procmail ‽ |
| 13:22.22 | trung | ahh yes, iinet, not unmetered for me.. |
| 13:22.33 | trung | silly really, in australia we don't have unlimited transfer |
| 13:22.39 | themill | trung: you can use jigdo to pull the .debs from aarnet and spin your own dvds if you want. Still don't know why you want to do that... |
| 13:22.42 | stummi | stew, if i would had to guess i head said this will just override the device-node-file. But there are always new thinks to learn :) |
| 13:22.43 | trung | don't be shocked |
| 13:23.10 | babilen | stew: Hehe :) |
| 13:23.13 | trung | themill: interesting idea. i'll stick to the dvd approach for now :D |
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| 13:23.31 | stew | stummi: you can even just cat one onto the other, they all just do the same thing, "open both files, copy bytes until you run out of room on destination or run out of bytes on the source" |
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| 13:24.20 | trung | so jigdo is kind of like bittorrent but you can specify exactly where u want to download from, is this correct? |
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| 13:25.33 | caraconan | Good evening. I have in my /etc/apt/sources.list following line: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free . After an 'aptitude update' I tried 'sudo aptitude -t squeeze-backports install guestfish' but the package is not there. Any clue about how to install this package from backports? Thanks |
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| 13:26.04 | PerfDave | caraconan: If it's not in the backports repo, you can't install it from the backports repo :) |
| 13:26.13 | dvs | caraconan: paste the output of "apt-cache policy guestfish" |
| 13:26.24 | caraconan | sure 1 sec |
| 13:26.41 | caraconan | guestfish: |
| 13:26.42 | caraconan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.42 | caraconan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.42 | caraconan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.42 | caraconan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.25 | stew | that seems misguided |
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| 13:27.41 | dvs | !paste |
| 13:27.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:27.46 | caraconan | @dvs http://pastebin.com/WYL73Eyb |
| 13:27.47 | altin | can anyone suggest a vpn client for vpn connections in debian |
| 13:27.47 | babilen | judd v guestfish |
| 13:27.48 | judd | Package: guestfish on i386 -- wheezy: 1:1.16.21-1; sid: 1:1.18.0-1 |
| 13:28.00 | babilen | caraconan: guestfish is not in bdo ^^^ |
| 13:28.00 | altin | I will be using it for sms gatway |
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| 13:28.14 | stew | caraconan: backports is a subset of the testing packages which are recompiled for stable. guestfish is not a member of that subset. however, you already have the testing package installed anyway |
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| 13:28.46 | stew | caraconan: if you are running stable, you shouldn't have a testing pacakge installed, if you are running testing, its pointless to try to install from squeeze-backports |
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| 13:29.11 | syllopsium | afternoon. Where's the log for the software update? I'm installing 414 updates and it's taking damned ages |
| 13:29.35 | stew | syllopsium: /var/log/dpkg.log (and /var/log/aptitude if you are using aptitude) |
| 13:29.40 | caraconan | @stew thanks for the info |
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| 13:29.54 | babilen | caraconan: Please note that mixing stable and testing is not recommended. A saner approach would be to backport guestfish yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb", but you need to backport and install febootstrap before you can do that. |
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| 13:30.25 | babilen | caraconan: Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:30.46 | syllopsium | stew: it appears to not have done anything since 13:10... |
| 13:30.52 | PerfDave | altin: OpenVPN? |
| 13:31.16 | altin | PerfDave, ok im using this link http://library.linode.com/networking/openvpn/ubuntu-10.04-lucid#sph_configure-public-key-infrastructure-variables |
| 13:31.24 | babilen | caraconan: And the @ is typically not used on IRC. (this is not twitter) -- Just suffix nicknames with ":" |
| 13:31.26 | syllopsium | it's logging the packages I've manually installed, but nothing from the system update tool |
| 13:31.28 | altin | but I dont seem to figure out how to do the connection |
| 13:31.32 | stew | syllopsium: nothing is going to be logged until a package is actually upgraded/installed/removed. its not going to log progress of downloading a package, for instance |
| 13:31.35 | PerfDave | altin: Are you using Ubuntu? |
| 13:31.41 | altin | I already reached Connect to the OpenVPN |
| 13:31.48 | altin | no im on Debian squeeze |
| 13:32.02 | altin | I just started the server but now I dont know how to do the connection |
| 13:32.05 | PerfDave | altin: I'd use the OpenVPN docs that come with Debian then in /usr/share/doc/openvpn |
| 13:32.17 | syllopsium | well, that's a bit of a problem since it's only saying 'running' |
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| 13:32.33 | caraconan | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/172189/ |
| 13:32.34 | syllopsium | and if I look at details it says 'This is a test update, and is not designed for normal use. Please report any problems or regressions you encounter.' |
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| 13:33.00 | die7 | altin: check here http://jasminklipic.blogspot.de/2012/05/openvpn-debian-squeeze.html |
| 13:33.44 | babilen | caraconan: How did you install guestfish on your system? |
| 13:33.54 | syllopsium | quits the update and restarts it |
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| 13:34.11 | stew | syllopsium: what tool are you using to attempt an update? |
| 13:34.23 | caraconan | I download the .deb from the web, then dpkg -i, but missing dependencies and I don't want to go ahead |
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| 13:36.01 | babilen | caraconan: Ok -- Please do *not* download random .debs from the internet and install them manually as this will break your system. The sane way of installing software that is not (yet) in backports, but in testing is to backport it yourself. The process is detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb", but you have to backport (and install!) "febootstrap" before you can backport/install guestfish. |
| 13:36.19 | babilen | caraconan: I would recommend to purge guestfish with dpkg now and take it from there. |
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| 13:36.42 | caraconan | Yes, I already did it. Many thnaks for the tip about backport, I'll have a look |
| 13:36.51 | babilen | Have fun :) |
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| 13:37.48 | syllopsium | stew: 'software update' off gnome. it doesn't appear to be very good. would 'aptitude safe-upgrade' be a better bet? |
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| 13:38.01 | stew | syllopsium: yes |
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| 13:38.26 | sshme | Hi. How to change user's initial group using command? |
| 13:38.43 | syllopsium | ta.. that's a vast improvement |
| 13:38.50 | ksk | sshme: man aduser? |
| 13:39.11 | mjt | it can't be done by adduser |
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| 13:39.30 | mjt | but can be using usermod |
| 13:39.48 | die7 | sshme: usermod |
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| 13:40.05 | sshme | mjt I am trying to do it with usermod, but I keep failing. |
| 13:40.16 | sshme | Can you deliver command + argument? |
| 13:40.22 | mjt | hm. usermod chgrp's files in user's homedir. is this really safe? |
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| 13:40.43 | mjt | ..no it is not. |
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| 13:41.25 | die7 | sshme: sure usermod -g groupname username |
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| 13:42.00 | sshme | die7: thanks. |
| 13:42.10 | die7 | sshme: ;) |
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| 13:43.06 | sshme | die7: the output is 'usermod: without changes' |
| 13:43.31 | sshme | I am trying to set one user's initial group as others. |
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| 13:44.05 | die7 | sshme: user is already in the group? |
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| 13:44.35 | oo_seven | I have only ssh access to my server, how can I select which kernel I want to reboot to after restart? (sorry for asking again, I got disconnected) |
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| 13:45.03 | die7 | sshme: to change initial group use command as send, for additionall group use -a -G Group user |
| 13:45.18 | die7 | oo_seven: edit /etc/default/groub |
| 13:45.24 | timemage | oo_seven, in that case, you don't. |
| 13:45.25 | sshme | Damn, mostly strange. The group is already changed. |
| 13:45.30 | sshme | Thanks anyway! |
| 13:46.02 | die7 | timemage: ? |
| 13:46.24 | die7 | timemage: he can change it |
| 13:46.31 | mjt | there's also grub-set-default iirc. /etc/default/grub is processed by update-grub, not by the bootloader code |
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| 13:47.05 | die7 | timemage: exactly |
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| 13:49.33 | timemage | die7, sure he can change his configuration files. somehow, i think he knows that. |
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| 13:50.30 | die7 | timemage: sure, also kexec is one solution in running system |
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| 14:11.40 | altin | can anyone tell me how to connect to a cisco vpn server |
| 14:11.44 | znull | hello, any ideea why is wrong with my /var partition? http://paste.debian.net/172195/ |
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| 14:13.06 | stummi | znull, what an fs is /var? |
| 14:13.07 | altin | because I have here some info/parameters that are not in openvpn configuration files (IKE parameters) |
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| 14:13.08 | bre | hi all |
| 14:13.16 | stew | altin: use the vpnc package |
| 14:13.18 | iateadonut | i run iostat constantly and keep the output in a logfile |
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| 14:13.26 | iateadonut | is there a better way to check on my resources? |
| 14:13.32 | iateadonut | also, is there a log for 'free' |
| 14:13.38 | altin | stew can I please have more specific help if possible !? |
| 14:13.42 | stew | altin: openvpn only useful for connecting to openvpn servers |
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| 14:13.46 | fairway | I would like to point my domain www.mydomain.com to my debians IP's adress running apache2 on port 80. do I need to signup for nameservers? |
| 14:14.01 | stew | altin: there is a package named vpnc, which specifically exists for connecting to cisco vpn servers |
| 14:14.58 | stew | altin: after installing it see /usr/share/doc/vpnc/README.Debian.gz .../README.gz first |
| 14:15.07 | babilen | altin: I'd recommend to take a look at network-manager-vpnc-gnome if you use network-manager |
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| 14:15.47 | altin | babilen, no im on cli |
| 14:16.00 | babilen | altin: Ok, follow stew's advice in that case. |
| 14:16.48 | stew | altin: you'll want to copy /etc/vpnc/default.conf to /etc/vpnc/myrouter.conf and uncomment and edit the relevant parameters. then "vpnc-connect myrouter" to connect, "vpnc-disconnect myrouter" to disconnect |
| 14:17.07 | stew | or I suppose you can just edit default.conf and use vpnc-connect and vpnc-disconnect |
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| 14:17.57 | znull | hello, any ideea why is wrong with my /var partition? http://paste.debian.net/172195/ :) thanks |
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| 14:18.31 | stew | znull: my guess is that there are deleted files which are still open |
| 14:18.44 | stummi | znull, which fs is that? |
| 14:18.45 | stew | znull: which i'll further guess are logfiles which you deleted, but are still being written to |
| 14:19.22 | stew | znull: if you delete a file that some process has open (like a daemon writing to a logfile), the file isn't actually removed from disk until the file is closed |
| 14:19.44 | stew | znull: perhaps check "lsof | grep -i deleted" |
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| 14:20.41 | znull | stew: true:) logs from nginx it seems logratate does not rotate thse |
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| 14:21.14 | altin | stew, thanks a lot I will try it now |
| 14:21.18 | stew | znull: if nginx is writing to a deleted logfile, i'd try sending it a HUP and if that didn't work, actually restart it |
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| 14:23.06 | znull | stew : also what is this? since i upgraded from 5.0 to 6.0 http://paste.debian.net/plain/172197 |
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| 14:24.23 | stew | znull: i don't know, i'd check to see what the parent process is |
| 14:25.47 | stew | perhaps mlocate or similar |
| 14:26.23 | themill | don't think mlocate runs as nobody though -- might be old findutils locate |
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| 14:27.35 | themill | znull: given the start time, I'd look in /etc/cron.daily/*locate |
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| 14:30.50 | sulh | Hi. I'm having a bug with text rendering in Xorg where the text is distorted (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666998). As a fix, downgrading libcairo from squeeze backports is suggested as a temporal workaround. I've added backports to sources.list, how do I install libcairo from it and pin the package? |
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| 14:32.29 | valerie | I have a laptop with two OS: Linux and Windows. I want to install Debian Wheezy instead of Linux, which is there now. Can it be done safely? Any precautions I need to take, besides not deleting partition with NTFS ? |
| 14:32.31 | ThunderTree1 | Hi all, Can someone tell me: i have created a package to create other packages during the install process. Can a package install other packages during its process? I know of course i can use dependencies to install them first, but i am using the package to compile the sources and create a package from other things - if that makes sense... |
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| 14:32.51 | stew | sulh: "aptitude install -t squeeze-backports libcairo2", i don't believe there would be no reason to pin it |
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| 14:33.40 | ThunderTree1 | valerie: should be straight forward enough. Like you said - just dont delete the ntfs partition :-) |
| 14:34.12 | valerie | ThunderTree1, thanks, just wanted to make sure |
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| 14:34.19 | sulh | Wouldn't pinning it to that old version prevent problems with future updates? (I'm new to Debian) |
| 14:34.40 | ThunderTree1 | valerie: Back important stuff up first is always good though. Too late, your gone. |
| 14:35.16 | stew | sulh: the default without additional pinning would be to allow future updates from backports, if an updated libcairo2 is added to backports, would you want to update or stick with the version you are about to install? |
| 14:35.32 | stew | ThunderTree1: I don't believe it would be possible for a package being installed to install other packages |
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| 14:35.45 | ThunderTree1 | stew: thanks mate. |
| 14:36.03 | stew | ThunderTree1: since the dpkg lock files will obviously be held |
| 14:36.28 | babilen | likes the "Debian Wheezy instead of Linux" part :) |
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| 14:36.36 | stew | ThunderTree1: this is all sounding kinda gross. the packages cannot be compiled beforehand? |
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| 14:36.53 | ThunderTree1 | stew: Yeah, thats my problem at the moment. Wondered if there was a no-lock option or something else someone had as a work around. |
| 14:37.06 | stew | ThunderTree1: i suppose you could schedule the packages for a later install using the dselect mechanism |
| 14:37.28 | stew | but then something would have to actually trigger them to be actually installed |
| 14:37.35 | ThunderTree1 | stew: Yeah, i know its a bit rubbish. Its used in deployment. So it could be compiled on whatever system and will work on deployment. |
| 14:37.50 | stew | actually, probably --set-selections is giong to have the same problem |
| 14:38.16 | ThunderTree1 | stew: yeah - i'd need an external non-.deb to finish it off. |
| 14:38.27 | ThunderTree1 | stew: i could just use that script to do it all i guess. lol. |
| 14:40.03 | sulh | stew: I would like to keep the backport until a new fixed libcairo is in Wheezy if that's possible. |
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| 14:40.39 | stew | sulh: wait, what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:40.54 | sulh | stew: Wheezy. |
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| 14:41.28 | stew | sulh: backports are just wheezy packages recompiled for squeeze. if you are runing wheezy, there is no point in using backports |
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| 14:42.26 | sulh | stew: the version of both packages is different (the one in Wheezy and the one in backports). The one in backports doesn't have the bug where the text is distorted. |
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| 14:43.10 | themill | sulh: is this working? I'd have thought the package from snapshots.d.o was more appropriate than the one from backports.d.o |
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| 14:44.14 | rical | anyone had problems with libvirt and user permissions in debian testing? Trying to start a machine as a user and its refusing to create tun interface if I'm not root |
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| 14:45.27 | davidgul | Hi |
| 14:45.38 | sulh | (well, that was an unfortunate disconnection, sorry) |
| 14:45.53 | davidgul | Some one can give me intel graphics 3000 driver for debian? |
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| 14:47.59 | ThunderTree1 | rical: actually, its probably this.... |
| 14:48.09 | ThunderTree1 | when you switching to root, your just doing su root right? |
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| 14:48.47 | ThunderTree1 | try using su - root instead. |
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| 14:49.52 | dvs | davidgul: You shouldn't need an external driver for HD 3000 video |
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| 14:52.04 | rical | ThunderTree1: I'm doing sudo virsh ... |
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| 14:52.25 | ThunderTree1 | rical: dont. su into root with the - |
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| 14:52.45 | rical | so you thing it has something to do with my enviroment, not the actuall permissions? |
| 14:52.49 | ThunderTree1 | yep. |
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| 14:53.09 | rical | still, I don't want to be root when running it |
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| 14:53.13 | davidgul | Dvs : the problem is that when i connect teo two monitors it says that the monitor is unknow and show the say pic on both the monitors |
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| 14:53.46 | rical | the virsh daemon is running as root, I would love if that would be enough |
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| 14:54.04 | ThunderTree1 | rical: well, you can start there perhaps. I could be wrong. But at least you know. |
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| 14:54.20 | stew | davidgul: what is the exact error? what do you do to produce the error? where do you see the error? |
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| 14:55.14 | rical | ThunderTree2: Hm, strange sudo -E virsh ... don't look for my machine in ~ |
| 14:55.24 | davidgul | Not sure |
| 14:55.26 | rical | might be something broken here |
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| 14:55.55 | davidgul | I just plugged them in |
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| 14:56.15 | stew | davidgul: where did you see the error? |
| 14:56.41 | davidgul | Is says that its unkown when i try to confogure them |
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| 14:56.57 | stew | davidgul: exactly what says exactly what? |
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| 14:57.01 | davidgul | In gnome |
| 14:57.22 | stew | gnome says what? |
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| 14:57.50 | davidgul | It has a red box on yhe top left with unknown |
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| 14:58.01 | davidgul | Bpth mpnotors |
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| 14:58.09 | dizzylizzy | i have been using 'ifconfig' to find out my local subnet IP, but it's annoying to have to log in as the super user in order to do this. What is the best way to find this information as a normal user? |
| 14:58.13 | stew | davidgul: so you plug in a monitor, and a red box pops up that says nothing but "unknown" in it? |
| 14:58.29 | themill | dizzylizzy: /sbin/ifconfig (or use "ip") |
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| 14:58.32 | petemc | dizzylizzy: use the full path to ifconfig |
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| 14:59.10 | davidgul | When i lainch the comfig utility |
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| 14:59.54 | davidgul | Yes stew |
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| 15:00.16 | ThunderTree2 | dizzylizzy: add it to your path |
| 15:00.24 | davidgul | The image is cloned on the two monitors |
| 15:00.25 | stew | davidgul: can you put the output of "xrandr" into a pastebin? |
| 15:00.33 | davidgul | Sure |
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| 15:02.51 | stew | davidgul: what is your native language? |
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| 15:03.28 | davidgul | It says failed to get size of gamma for output default |
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| 15:04.29 | davidgul | I write from my phone |
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| 15:05.53 | stew | davidgul: does xrandr list multiple monitors as being "connected"? |
| 15:06.00 | stew | if so, which? |
| 15:06.17 | stew | perhaps "xrandr | awk '/ connected/{print $1}'" |
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| 15:08.29 | davidgul | No it only show screen 0 |
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| 15:09.15 | outlaw84 | I am running a grep command on a bunch of files, it there someway to get grep open theses files for me in some editor? but like only the files that matched my search0 |
| 15:09.17 | stew | it doesn't show ANY connected monitors? |
| 15:09.18 | outlaw84 | ? |
| 15:09.54 | davidgul | Is shows only one |
| 15:10.12 | davidgul | Screen 0 |
| 15:10.30 | stew | outlaw84: perhaps "grep -l <pattern> <listoffiles> | xargs editor" ? some editors might be ornery about the tty |
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| 15:10.38 | stew | davidgul: that's a screen not a monitor |
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| 15:11.01 | davidgul | Whats the difference |
| 15:11.36 | stew | davidgul: a monitor is a physical thing that sits on your desk. a screen is a local partition of your x display which groups a bunch of x clients |
| 15:11.48 | stew | ^local^virtual |
| 15:11.59 | outlaw84 | stew: hum, I already inside a find command, du you think the | xargs should be after the "-exec grep .... \;" or before the \;"? |
| 15:12.17 | davidgul | 2 monitors and only 1 screen |
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| 15:12.41 | stew | outlaw84: pipe a list of files to xargs. if grep is listing matches, grep -l will make it list files instead of matches |
| 15:12.55 | stew | outlaw84: so, after |
| 15:13.12 | themill | outlaw84: be careful about filenames with spaces in them when you're doing this sort of thing. |
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| 15:13.26 | outlaw84 | stew: both combinations give "Mottog SIGHUP eller SIGTERM |
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| 15:13.46 | outlaw84 | stew: "find . -name '*.php' -exec grep -Hi ' split(' {} \; | xargs nano" |
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| 15:14.28 | stew | davidgul: what are they called? perhaps something like VGA1 and LVDS1 ? |
| 15:14.46 | davidgul | Just screen 0 |
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| 15:15.42 | stew | what did you mean by "< davidgul> 2 monitors and only 1 screen" ? |
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| 15:15.53 | stew | i thought that was somehting you determined fromthe output of xrandr |
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| 15:16.49 | revil | hi guys! Can the iceweasel browser (whezy) playback html5 video with the h264 codec, after maybe some non-free codec installatioon? |
| 15:16.58 | davidgul | 2 screens physically but sees only 1 |
| 15:17.02 | stew | davidgul: mine looks like: http://paste.debian.net/172206/ for example. does yours really stop after the first line? do you not have any lines saying "connected"? |
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| 15:18.35 | stew | revil: yes, it can play html5 video with h264 |
| 15:19.04 | themill | outlaw84: "find . -name '*.php' -exec grep -li ' split(' {} + | xargs nano" is more likely what you want. But still... be careful of things with spaces in them. "rgrep -l ' split(' ." might be even simpler for you depending on whether you really need that find. (also, see ack-grep if what you're trying to do is avoid .svn directories) |
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| 15:19.07 | revil | stew, should it thus be able to play youtube html5? |
| 15:19.10 | Doobie-420 | i'd just like to say how much I love debian, that is all |
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| 15:19.43 | stew | revil: it can |
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| 15:20.12 | davidgul | Brb |
| 15:20.25 | outlaw84 | themill: I keep getting "SIGTERM" back on that command :P |
| 15:20.41 | revil | stew, consider this sample video. In my case it doesn't play it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q2T4SMY8i8 where do you think i should tart trouble shooting? |
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| 15:21.32 | outlaw84 | themill: I have never seen such thing, It just gives me "Received SIGHUP or SIGTERM" and the command terminates :P |
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| 15:21.36 | davidgul | Hello |
| 15:21.44 | davidgul | Ah, finally I'm on my computer |
| 15:21.46 | nvz | revil: idk but for me youtube is flash, and requires flash player |
| 15:21.51 | davidgul | Anyway as I was saying it doesn't have a name |
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| 15:22.12 | davidgul | It just says Screen 0 |
| 15:22.13 | revil | nvz, it offers an option to use html5 |
| 15:22.22 | davidgul | Seems like I'm lacking drivers. |
| 15:22.24 | revil | nvz, try youtube.com/html5 |
| 15:22.32 | stew | revil: hmm, now I'm confusing myself, and I'm no longer sure |
| 15:22.43 | themill | outlaw84: might be that nano doesn't like that.... can't say I've ever used it that way. You could invert the command to have "nano $(find .... stuff ...)" |
| 15:22.43 | Doobie-420 | yes, the youtube.com/html5 worked for me as well |
| 15:22.48 | ThunderTree2 | revil: are you using gnash or adobe? |
| 15:22.52 | revil | stew, so it doesn't play it back with you, either? |
| 15:23.19 | stew | revil: no, it works for me |
| 15:23.21 | Sc0rian | ive tried to install phpize on debian6.. i have php5-dev installed but it just says "Cannot find config.m4." |
| 15:23.45 | stew | revil: sorry, i started trying to look at the page to verify that i was really watching via html5 and saw some refrences to flash and got confused |
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| 15:23.50 | nvz | revil: ah.. well it plays for me. |
| 15:24.15 | themill | outlaw84: yeah, nano doesn't like that. vim will do it with complaints. Use either the "editor $(...) " or a shell loop construct for it. |
| 15:24.24 | stew | revil: but it plays for me using html5 |
| 15:24.30 | revil | nvz, does it play the video in an html5 player? |
| 15:24.44 | revil | oh.. :( I must do some troubleshooting then.. |
| 15:24.56 | revil | May i inquire the version of your firefox? |
| 15:25.07 | stew | Sc0rian: is build-essential installed? did you run "apt-get build-dep php5-dev" ? |
| 15:25.08 | outlaw84 | themill: I used kate now and it worked :) |
| 15:25.13 | outlaw84 | themill: thanks |
| 15:25.14 | ThunderTree2 | revil: guessing iceweasel... |
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| 15:25.30 | stew | revil: i'm using iceweasel 10.0.4esr-3 |
| 15:25.31 | themill | outlaw84: yeah, kate will fork off to an existing session if you want too. |
| 15:25.44 | Iridos | outlaw84, it would be more useful if you said what you want to do with the files... but fwiw |
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| 15:26.09 | Iridos | for i in $(find . -name '*.txt' -exec grep -il ' s' {} +) ; do echo nano "$i"; done |
| 15:26.35 | revil | purges pulseaudio to reinstall: the no 1 suspect |
| 15:26.51 | outlaw84 | Iridos: I wanna replace split with explode in php but I wanna to do it manually to make sure that it does not replace some thing wrong |
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| 15:27.16 | outlaw84 | Iridos: since split became deprecated :S |
| 15:27.20 | Iridos | outlaw84, use sed to replace, then check afterwards? |
| 15:27.50 | Iridos | actually can just as well check beforehand that all lines are exactly what you expect them to be |
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| 15:28.13 | Sc0rian | i have installed both stew |
| 15:28.16 | Sc0rian | but it still says it |
| 15:28.21 | stew | hugs his emacs and M-x rgrep |
| 15:28.45 | Sc0rian | my end point is to have php-pecl-json installed |
| 15:28.50 | nvz | revil: on chrome yeah.. firefox says it doesnt have h264 |
| 15:28.52 | Sc0rian | but it needs phpize to install json |
| 15:28.54 | outlaw84 | Iridos: that would be best, but it seams a bit to dangerous :/ |
| 15:29.20 | stew | i'm not sure I want to know what phpize is |
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| 15:30.11 | Iridos | outlaw84, nope |
| 15:30.28 | Sc0rian | http://pastie.org/4002351 stew |
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| 15:30.38 | Iridos | more dangerous to do 100 edits manually and get bored after edit 20 |
| 15:30.44 | Iridos | but suit yourself |
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| 15:31.10 | outlaw84 | Iridos: how would this command that you are suggesting look? |
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| 15:31.31 | tgs3 | what tool should be used to most simply send small text email to given address? |
| 15:31.35 | tgs3 | sendmail? |
| 15:31.47 | stew | Sc0rian: is what you are trying to install different than what you'd get by installing the php-services-json package? |
| 15:31.48 | RayStar | hello |
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| 15:31.54 | mjt | echo text | mail -s foobar add@re.ss |
| 15:32.08 | tgs3 | mjt: I don't have to have email server running to do that? |
| 15:32.09 | RayStar | i need some help with a driver |
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| 15:32.19 | mjt | tgs3: yes |
| 15:32.21 | RayStar | someone can help me? |
| 15:32.43 | tgs3 | do I need exim4 or alike to receive local-mails, like the ones sent from cron and readable by "mail" cmd? |
| 15:32.45 | stew | RayStar: not without more information |
| 15:32.52 | RayStar | ok ok |
| 15:33.21 | mjt | tgs3: there are simpler alternatives. like nullmailer for example |
| 15:33.24 | nvz | tgs3: need nullmailer minimum, and its required that you have an MTA to run a POSIX system, regardless |
| 15:33.32 | nvz | its not like you have the option of not using one.. heh |
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| 15:33.59 | RayStar | i have debian squeeze 6.0.4 amd64 |
| 15:34.03 | mjt | except of cron messages modern desktop system does not use/need mta |
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| 15:35.08 | tgs3 | so.. just for 1) sending real emails to like gmail.com 2) delivering mails locally, like from cronjob to 'mail' of user - can I have NONE exim4/mta at all, or should I install nullmailer |
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| 15:35.26 | zinx | tgs3: nullmailer or such |
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| 15:35.50 | themill | outlaw84: I don't know that you'd be able to automagically turn split() into preg_split() there unless you are always splitting with the same characters so you can also replace the pattern too. (I assume you have this all in a version control system of some description so that you can revert attempts that don't quite work ;) |
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| 15:36.08 | tgs3 | thanks zinx nvz mjt |
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| 15:36.26 | RayStar | and my video device is integrated the hardinfo information a read SIS 661 741 760 and i was wondering where can i found the driver |
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| 15:36.39 | tgs3 | On one of computers ctrl-S is enabling ScrollLock in virtual terminal. huh? how to disable this? |
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| 15:38.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | anyone here have experience working with cacti and rrdtool? |
| 15:38.15 | JordiGH | I tried a simple sid backport of llvm-3.0, but now I have all of the llvm binaries with -3.0 appended to their name. I thought alternatives was supposed to setup appropriate symlinks, but I don't see them. Should I have done something special during the backport to get the update symlinks? |
| 15:38.21 | stew | tgs3: stty -ixon |
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| 15:38.23 | tgs3 | zinx, I uninstalled exim4 on debian stable and still cron IS able to deliver messages to my user. So after all maybe it is not required to have any mt even nullmailer |
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| 15:38.25 | JordiGH | The alternatives symlinks? |
| 15:38.31 | nvz | TehRabbitt-Work: I'm thinking you might, and perhaps even have a question about it |
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| 15:39.05 | TehRabbitt-Work | nvz: well yes, I was wondering what would cause graphs not to show up on a fresh install |
| 15:39.06 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: just assume yes and get to the part where you ask your question |
| 15:39.24 | outlaw84 | themill: yea, I don't think it could be safely don't automagically, sometimes you just need to get down for some manuall work :P atleast the site is working again :D |
| 15:39.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | Installed all required dependencies / using lighttpd as the httpd server |
| 15:39.29 | zinx | tgs3: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 15:39.46 | tgs3 | stew: that helped, thanks. I wonder why only this 1 computer has this behaviour... maybe it's locales choosen in install |
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| 15:39.54 | TehRabbitt-Work | the pages load, the poller (spine) runs... permissions are all good... but graphs just dont' show up |
| 15:40.08 | RayStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.08 | RayStar | and my video device is integrated SIS 661 741 760 and i was wondering where can i found the driver? or if can i use this https://vejeta.sdf-eu.org/sis/ |
| 15:40.17 | tgs3 | zinx: exim4-daemon-light |
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| 15:40.24 | zinx | tgs3: so you have exim4 on that |
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| 15:40.46 | tgs3 | nullmailer would be (a bit) more secure then exim4 to have? |
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| 15:41.14 | zinx | a bit less complexity, doubt anyone knows about security at this time :) |
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| 15:42.12 | tgs3 | zinx: it asks me about mailname. it can be anything made up I guess? |
| 15:42.33 | zinx | idk i use exim and postfix tbqh |
| 15:42.34 | stew | RayStar: i'd guess you can find a driver in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/drivers/video/sis/sisfb.ko |
| 15:42.43 | stew | RayStar: and another in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/sis_drv.so |
| 15:42.49 | stew | RayStar: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:42.59 | tgs3 | zinx: and nullmailer asks me about list of *remote* hosts to use.. huh. I guess I will back to exim4 too then |
| 15:43.08 | ThunderTree2 | tgs3: i like nullmailer |
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| 15:44.17 | tgs3 | thundertree2: I need only to send mails simply to say gmail and otherwise to send/receive ONLY locally. would nullmailer be better for this considering security and removing not needed funcitons |
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| 15:45.12 | RayStar | example i was trying play tuxracer and run 5 fps the same situatiation with other games |
| 15:45.30 | tgs3 | raystar what card you have? |
| 15:45.34 | ThunderTree2 | tgs3: yeah, but you need to point nullmailer to a mailserver to send the messages. |
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| 15:46.13 | ThunderTree2 | i use it for example on alerting software, so it can send me things if something happens. |
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| 15:46.39 | tgs3 | ThunderTree2: why you prefer it over just exim4 and mail? |
| 15:47.09 | ThunderTree2 | tgs3: cos its really easy to install, and it works very cleanly. |
| 15:47.17 | Miesco_ | A lot of libraries are not working for me: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, but I have that file, what should I do? |
| 15:47.21 | tgs3 | I see |
| 15:47.48 | ThunderTree2 | Miesco_: its in your library path? |
| 15:48.05 | stew | ThunderTree2: its not and it shouldn't be in his library path |
| 15:48.31 | ThunderTree2 | gets back in his box |
| 15:48.45 | tharkun | Is there some caveat to be taken care of when logrotate.conf is beeing modidfied. Will it get overwritten when a security update is needed? |
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| 15:49.02 | RayStar | tgs3: "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter" i use lspci |
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| 15:49.06 | stew | ThunderTree2: sorry, i spent a lot of time with him already, and someone else wasted a bunch of time going down the path that you were about to go down, just trying to save everyone the effort :) |
| 15:49.14 | n-iCe | hello |
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| 15:49.34 | ThunderTree2 | stew: haha, its cool. Just saw the message - didnt realise :-D |
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| 15:50.14 | stew | ThunderTree2: its loaded from /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so |
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| 15:51.08 | stew | ThunderTree2: but not via the normal ld.so path afaict. i don't see it in ldd /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin nor do I see that in ldconfig -p |
| 15:51.23 | stew | but I do see that firefox-bin has it loaded |
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| 15:53.20 | stew | Miesco_: can you show us the output of 'ldconfig -p'? and the output of 'cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*'? |
| 15:53.28 | stew | i think you had just the single i486 file in there |
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| 15:54.42 | tgs3 | RayStar: sorryI dont know much about this card... if nothing helps, write mailing lists. Debian. Maybe xorg. As last resort LKML list |
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| 15:55.50 | Miesco_ | http://pastie.org/4002491 |
| 15:55.55 | RayStar | ok thanks |
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| 15:56.02 | Miesco_ | stew: THats ldconfig -p |
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| 15:56.31 | prsn | is there a way to increase the size of the x clipboard buffers? |
| 15:56.46 | Miesco_ | http://pastie.org/4002495 |
| 15:57.17 | prsn | I need to copy a large amount of text from an annoying javascript popup thingy on a webpage, and I don't know any other way to do it |
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| 16:03.39 | Miesco_ | bbl |
| 16:03.47 | RyuGuns | No |
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| 16:16.08 | arietis | what's best way to reformat xfs to ext4? |
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| 16:28.40 | stew | arietis: are you trying to preserve data on the xfs filesystem? |
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| 16:29.06 | arietis | stew: i have nothing important on it so i'm ok to lose data |
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| 16:29.53 | stew | arietis: then why not just "mkfs.ext4 /dev/whatever" (make sure you have the correct /dev/whatever, of course) |
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| 16:30.17 | tgs3 | arietis: well simpliest is to just reformat it. what stew said, and unmount it first |
| 16:30.37 | tgs3 | doubt there is any in place reformat, thats just for some ext conversions |
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| 16:31.48 | arietis | ok, thanks |
| 16:32.01 | arietis | all my hd movies are gone :'( |
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| 16:32.28 | arietis | i just hope my external hdd will work now |
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| 16:33.36 | blubberdiblub | fstransform can convert filesystems in place (you'll still need to unmount them, of course) |
| 16:33.56 | arietis | i suppose i need a lot of memory for it |
| 16:33.57 | ThunderTree2 | blubberdiblub: lol - bit late ;-) |
| 16:34.44 | ThunderTree2 | real insteresting to know. Didnt realise that existed. |
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| 16:35.17 | blubberdiblub | it surfaced only recently in debian's repository, as far as i remember correctly |
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| 16:36.06 | ThunderTree2 | blubberdiblub: will remember that. Sounds scarey! |
| 16:36.54 | blubberdiblub | in principle it's a bit like defragmenting a filesystem |
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| 16:43.34 | RayStar | someone knows sisctrl amd64 drivers Debian 6.0.4, where can i get it? |
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| 16:47.42 | tgs3 | what small distro is good as secure livecd to have a computer to work like terminal to ssh from |
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| 16:48.16 | Ryccardo|XFCE | The Xfce4 terminal emulator is apparently ignoring my settings... (see https://gist.github.com/2844685 ) |
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| 16:49.10 | tables | how do i change the resolution of gnome that comes with normal debian netinst? |
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| 16:49.48 | ThunderTree2 | tables: ctrl+alt and + - used to work. I think. |
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| 16:50.24 | tgs3 | tables: also in top menu in gome there are settings. or use program like xrandr or better grandr |
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| 16:51.47 | tables | ctrl + alt and + - doesn't work |
| 16:52.02 | ThunderTree2 | tables: sorry :-) Used to long time ago, heh. |
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| 16:52.38 | tables | what's xrandr syntax? |
| 16:52.47 | ThunderTree2 | man xrandr :-) |
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| 16:54.42 | tgs3 | tables or just use grandr it has nice gui |
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| 16:54.56 | edju | Unattended update. When I returned, I'm asked for a "DECnet network node name". It seems that's related to VMS, though developed for Linux also. Can I just hit "cancel" and leace it at that? |
| 16:55.09 | tgs3 | what is preffered way to install pgsql 9.1 on debian stable? |
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| 16:55.27 | edju | *leace * leave |
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| 16:57.04 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:57.16 | tgs3 | edju: DEnet network? Are we sure accidentailly you didnt isntalled time machine :) |
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| 16:57.25 | tgs3 | DECnet |
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| 16:58.51 | edju | tgs3, I know, that's why "cancel" is the thing to do? Unattended, so I don't know what file's asking. |
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| 16:59.50 | edju | According to wikipedia, it was orphaned in 2010. |
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| 16:59.57 | themill | edju: you want to get rid of the dnet-common, dnet-progs, libdnet packages |
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| 17:00.56 | themill | ,v postgresql-9.1 --release squeeze-backports |
| 17:00.57 | judd | Package: postgresql-9.1 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 9.1.3-2~bpo60+1 |
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| 17:01.01 | themill | tgs3: ^^ |
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| 17:01.23 | edju | themill, Won't affect anything? |
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| 17:01.44 | cibegt | hi |
| 17:01.47 | themill | edju: if you don't know what it is and what it's for, you certainly don't want it |
| 17:02.47 | edju | themill, OK, then I don't want it. Thanks. |
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| 17:04.21 | cibegt | have a problem with a pdf file, produced by latex, and evince |
| 17:05.08 | cibegt | urls in references aren't shown in evince but xpdf shows them |
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| 17:06.05 | Mogget | cibegt: 1: debian channel, not latex channel. 2: read the manual. the manual actually tells you why this is happening. |
| 17:06.29 | Mogget | err. manual for linking package in latex |
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| 17:06.54 | cibegt | Mogget: it's not a latex problem, but a evince or ? |
| 17:07.07 | themill | cibegt: what do you mean by "urls in references aren't shown"? |
| 17:07.22 | Mogget | cibegt: No, its the fact that you did not do as the manual for the linking package says probably. |
| 17:07.45 | Mogget | cibegt: put the linking package as low as possible in the loading part, then it should show on all readers. |
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| 17:08.43 | Mogget | cibegt: \usepackage{hyperref} needs to be as low in the preamble as possible or else some readers will overlap it. |
| 17:08.44 | cibegt | themill: look at this: |
| 17:08.56 | cibegt | themill: http://paste.debian.net/172228/ |
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| 17:10.56 | themill | cibegt: that (non-minimal) example doesn't actually show me anything |
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| 17:11.51 | cibegt | themill: i wanted to show references to you; i mean \cite{foo1} and \cite{bar1} |
| 17:12.10 | themill | sure, I know what references are. But what does "urls in references aren't shown" mean? |
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| 17:13.24 | cibegt | themill: how can i send the produced pdf file to you? |
| 17:14.09 | themill | you could use wikisend.com |
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| 17:16.50 | cibegt | themill: http://wikisend.com/download/931164/test.pdf |
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| 17:18.26 | cibegt | themill: the urls are shown as dashed line in my evince |
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| 17:19.11 | themill | can you pastebin a screenshot? What release of debian is this, btw? |
| 17:19.48 | cibegt | i'm using wheezy |
| 17:19.55 | cibegt | a moment please |
| 17:20.06 | themill | I wonder if you're another candidate for downgrading libcairo2 |
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| 17:21.17 | Black_Prince | libcairo2 1.12 should work with latest nouveau and intel drivers. I am not sure for radeon tough. |
| 17:21.31 | Black_Prince | Since 1.12 works fine with Intel and Nouveau on my setup. |
| 17:21.45 | Black_Prince | But it didn't work fine untill intel driver 2.19.0 I think |
| 17:22.03 | Black_Prince | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:22.04 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.18.0-2+b1; sid: 2:2.19.0-1 |
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| 17:22.33 | Black_Prince | so, if you have intel gpu and you are using wheezy, congrats ... you are affected by the bug |
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| 17:23.46 | cibegt | themill: http://wikisend.com/download/303896/test.png |
| 17:24.01 | themill | Black_Prince: hmm... didn't know it was that well fixed, considering it's come up 5 times today :( |
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| 17:24.25 | cibegt | themill: i'm back after 30 min |
| 17:24.40 | Black_Prince | heh |
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| 17:24.51 | Black_Prince | I got xf86-video-intel 2.19.0 announce mail |
| 17:24.53 | themill | cibegt: sounds like grabbing the appropriate package from http://snapshot.debian.org/package/cairo/1.10.2-7/#libcairo2_1.10.2-7 and then using dpkg -i would work for you. |
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| 17:25.13 | Black_Prince | and it was mentioned that bug that recent cairo triggered was fixed in that one |
| 17:25.33 | Black_Prince | Althrough, LFS guys mentioned that it happens with radeon cards too |
| 17:25.35 | craigevil | on sid no problems with libcairo2 on radeon |
| 17:25.51 | Black_Prince | Good then ... |
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| 17:26.02 | themill | perhaps pulling the relevant driver package from sid is a better move than downgrading cairo for most users. |
| 17:26.17 | Black_Prince | well, possibly |
| 17:26.19 | tgs3 | how to record a CD from iso in cmd line? |
| 17:26.33 | tgs3 | there was cdrecord in cdrecord pack but it no longer exists |
| 17:26.36 | craigevil | libcairo2: Installed: 1.12.2-2 Candidate: 1.12.2-2 |
| 17:26.39 | Black_Prince | tgs3: use genisoimage |
| 17:27.07 | Black_Prince | cdrecord is part of Schilling's cdrtools which aren't in Debian for a long time |
| 17:27.25 | stew | a fork of cdrtools is instead |
| 17:27.34 | Black_Prince | yes .... cdrkit |
| 17:27.41 | Black_Prince | and it is wodim, I think ... not cdrecord |
| 17:27.50 | stew | yes |
| 17:27.57 | tgs3 | so... what will allow me to simply <command> -disk-at-once foo.iso ? |
| 17:28.06 | stew | tgs3: if you have an iso, and you want to burn it to a cd "wodim foo.iso" |
| 17:28.39 | tgs3 | stew: ok. Would it not be a good idea to cdrecord be a dummy package pulling in wodim? |
| 17:28.59 | tgs3 | aptitude search makes it hard to find cd recording app not using google or asking |
| 17:29.26 | Black_Prince | also, 6 more days untill intel xorg driver is in wheezy |
| 17:30.36 | stew | tgs3: i dunno. i woulnd't want to poke the schilly |
| 17:30.42 | Black_Prince | newer one, that is |
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| 17:34.04 | Black_Prince | gui programs! |
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| 17:34.41 | Black_Prince | not sure about bashburn and xcdroast tough |
| 17:35.14 | themill | hugs "axi-cache search interface::commandline cd" |
| 17:35.16 | craigevil | tgs3, a nice guide for cd/dvd burning without a GUI, http://manual.siduction.org/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm#burn-no-gui-gen |
| 17:35.37 | craigevil | axi-cache? |
| 17:35.45 | themill | !axi-cache |
| 17:35.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program. It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>. Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered. It is found in the apt-xapian-index package. Also ask me about <aptitude search>. |
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| 17:36.10 | craigevil | nifty learn something new everyday |
| 17:36.17 | tgs3 | thx craigevil |
| 17:36.23 | themill | its tab completion is awesome... gives you search suggestions based on words and on tags associated with the words you've already used |
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| 17:37.23 | nsadmin | replacement for apt-cache? |
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| 17:42.58 | tdrusk | ns-admin: what do you mean? |
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| 17:46.15 | Cyclohexane | anyone know any good software for playing around with permissions (ability to revert changes) or would you just say VM? |
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| 17:46.27 | Cyclohexane | invert* |
| 17:47.27 | kevlarman | Cyclohexane: there's unionfs and the like, but honestly just use a vm |
| 17:48.17 | stew | Cyclohexane: perhaps cowdancer |
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| 17:49.43 | kbeezie | I'm trying to find the correct package for adding east-asian (CJK?) language support to debian squeeze so that when I have files on the system with those characters they don't just show up as ??? |
| 17:50.24 | blubberdiblub | most important would probably be a font supporting the language in question |
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| 17:50.39 | kbeezie | well it's purely CLI , no X or such |
| 17:50.56 | blubberdiblub | well, okay, then you'd still need a console font with CJK chars |
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| 17:51.09 | blubberdiblub | and an application that understands the particular encoding |
| 17:51.12 | kbeezie | iTerm2 should I'd imagine |
| 17:51.22 | kbeezie | unless I gota use the correct terminal emulation mode |
| 17:51.46 | kbeezie | got it doing utf8 as the character encoding |
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| 17:52.59 | blubberdiblub | less should be able to display utf-8 file for instance, given the correct font (and a complying terminal) |
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| 17:53.30 | stew | kbeezie: what is iterm2? |
| 17:53.43 | kbeezie | http://www.iterm2.com/ |
| 17:53.57 | stew | kbeezie: you are running iterm2 in debian squeeze? |
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| 17:54.04 | themill | kbeezie: I think we're missing the #debian connection here |
| 17:54.09 | kbeezie | no running it on OSX, I'm logging into debian via iterm |
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| 17:54.39 | stew | kbeezie: this sounds like a problem with OSX, not with debian |
| 17:54.48 | themill | ahh... so fonts on your VPS have nothing to do with this |
| 17:54.49 | stew | or iterm2 or whatever |
| 17:54.53 | kbeezie | ie: if a file on the debian vps has hiragana/katakana in it, it shows up as ??? in an ls output |
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| 17:55.13 | kbeezie | I can choose other terminal modes than xterm if you know one that supposibly works |
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| 17:55.34 | themill | kbeezie: are the filenames encoded in utf-8 or in some other legacy encoding? |
| 17:55.36 | kbeezie | since in SFTP it seems the character does show correct there so probably just a terminal issue |
| 17:55.43 | kbeezie | should be utf8 |
| 17:55.57 | themill | kbeezie: sounds like you probably just need to pick a better font for your terminal emulator then |
| 17:56.09 | stew | that's what it sounds like to me too |
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| 17:57.33 | kbeezie | will look at that route then |
| 17:57.51 | blubberdiblub | kbeezie, you can force less to interpret a file as utf-8 if you suspect it to interpret it wrongly ( LESSCHARSET=utf-8 less yourfile ), but your probablem is most probably client side, not on the side of the VPS |
| 17:58.04 | blubberdiblub | -ab |
| 17:58.38 | kbeezie | 343\203\273 , shows I guess the char values for where it was showing ??? |
| 17:58.44 | themill | kbeezie: check that you have a utf-8 locale on the VPS (check the output of "locale") and that you have told the terminal that it should use utf-8 too. |
| 17:58.57 | kbeezie | echo $LC_CTYPE was blank |
| 18:00.07 | themill | macos terminals sometimes send some strange nonsense for locales over the ssh connection |
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| 18:01.08 | kbeezie | guess they had some stuff in the FAQ http://www.iterm2.com/#/section/faq , mainly to update ~/.inputrc for metas and such, but ya going look into it, I probably just need to setup locales correctly on both ends |
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| 18:01.41 | themill | LC_CTYPE is one of the ones that the standard mac terminal client screws up. No idea about this other one you're using |
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| 18:02.48 | themill | kbeezie: anyway, first check the font, then pursue harder things to fix... "/msg dpkg mac locales" for how we recommend people fix the normal mac terminal program. |
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| 18:04.20 | kbeezie | well LC_CTYPE is what I echo'd on the debian side not local |
| 18:04.27 | kbeezie | in case there was confusion on that |
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| 18:05.18 | stew | kbeezie: its not uncommong for LC_CTYPE to be unset, the output of "locales" is what you should look at |
| 18:05.22 | stew | uncommon* |
| 18:05.43 | kbeezie | if you mean this /etc/default/locale, it's just a one line comment |
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| 18:06.54 | vovkav | Ladies and Gentlemen! Does anyone know of a best (short , concise just-enough) instructions for building debian binary packages out of "make install" software for internal use? (I know how to write control-files, still only have a slight knoledge of makefiles) |
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| 18:07.37 | themill | kbeezie: no, the output of the command "locale" |
| 18:07.39 | recur | vovkav: There's a debian mentors channel you might want to check out (If I'm reading your message correctly) |
| 18:07.58 | recur | Whenever I have debian packaging issues, I get pointed there :) |
| 18:07.59 | kbeezie | I fixed it |
| 18:08.05 | kbeezie | export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 18:08.13 | kbeezie | and it shows up correctly in an ls output |
| 18:08.14 | themill | vovkav: if make is enough, "checkinstall" might be all you need. Otherwise, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 18:08.35 | themill | kbeezie: yeah, so broken macos locales propagated over ssh again. Do what dpkg said about "mac locales" to make that permanent. |
| 18:09.10 | kbeezie | don't see mac locals, I just did locales-all |
| 18:09.56 | stew | dpkg: tell kbeezie about mac locales |
| 18:10.05 | themill | kbeezie: no, your Mac iTerm2 thing is sending the local MacOS locales settings through ssh to the Debian VPS. Unfortunately, the data it sends isn't sane and that leaves everyone confused. |
| 18:10.20 | kbeezie | ooh I see |
| 18:10.29 | kbeezie | ie: it's not telling the other end correctly what I'm set for |
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| 18:10.59 | themill | ssh is trying to be clever by propagating your locales settings etc. But what its propagating is nonsense. |
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| 18:12.55 | kbeezie | for the moment I just put the export into .bashrc til I figure it out on my mac's end |
| 18:13.07 | kbeezie | since I'm only ever accessing it via terminal |
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| 18:14.04 | stew | raptor67782: no, it requires kde (and note that got removed from debian this week and won't be part of future debian releases) |
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| 18:18.22 | vovkav | themill recur: is checkinstall suitable if I want to include resulting debs on a custom install CD (used internally only) ? |
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| 18:19.03 | themill | checkinstall makes poor quality packages. If they are good enough for you, then that's fine. |
| 18:19.15 | stew | vovkav: its suitable for "i just need to hack together a low quality deb that will make things easier to remove or upgrade, but i'm not really trying to do this right" |
| 18:19.43 | themill | if it were as easy as using checkinstall, then a lot of us would have a lot more free time... |
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| 18:21.02 | vovkav | stew themill recur: aha, thanks. and what kind of quality problems are that? (I am competent to write a good control file, but other fields..) |
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| 18:22.26 | themill | sticks files in silly places and doesn't integrate nicely into the rest of the system are the most common problems. Not declaring proper conflicts/replaces/etc to allow for proper upgrade paths. |
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| 18:23.15 | stew | vovkav: there is a good chance that "make install" doesn't install the package in a way which is debian compliant. there will be no maintainer scripts, so the package won't be able to do things like create users if it has to, it won't be able to clean up any temporary/variable files it creates upon package purge. it won't be handling config files properly |
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| 18:31.47 | raptor67782 | by the way, do you know the debian channel /join ##debian-for-geeks ? |
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| 18:32.53 | ePax | Im trying to mount sony ericsson vivaz on my debian but not getting any ttyusb* i can see on lsusb that phone is connectet but there is no tty created |
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| 18:34.07 | vovkav | stew themill recur: could checkinstall-fabricated files be helpful in the future to use debuild correctly? what are other tools that will help me to crete skeletons for debian/* ? |
| 18:34.14 | sKeiths | i have asked in gnome about my issues with Screen_is_not_locked_after_resume but the assist they gave me involved dconf-editor which i can't find. any debian specific ideas? |
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| 18:36.18 | raptor67782 | stew: too bad :( would you know if there is sthg for VOIP command line without X11 layer installed? |
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| 18:37.03 | raptor67782 | stew: I have a sheevaplug and control it with remote control. I would like to have a SIP phone of this mini box (headless of course), so I need a system for SIP / VOIP lighweight .... |
| 18:37.35 | raptor67782 | thats also why there is debian-for-geeks |
| 18:37.52 | raptor67782 | for difficult stuffs, and not trivial, one could log to this advanced channel |
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| 18:38.22 | raptor67782 | ePax: bluetooh or irda ? |
| 18:38.40 | vovkav | raptor67782: linphone-nox ? |
| 18:38.47 | raptor67782 | ePax: with x11 or with command line you r trying? |
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| 18:38.57 | teratorn | which shell is used for deb package install scripts? |
| 18:39.05 | teratorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.09 | raptor67782 | vovkav: thanks so but but it seems that lineephone-nox is not available without x11 |
| 18:39.38 | vovkav | raptor67782: ????? |
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| 18:39.54 | raptor67782 | vovkav: strange... lets give again a try .. |
| 18:40.02 | raptor67782 | vovkav: do you use it already? |
| 18:40.35 | vovkav | raptor67782: had it installed on previous stable, do not remember if had a chance to use |
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| 18:40.53 | raptor67782 | sounds ok with x11 actually |
| 18:40.59 | raptor67782 | no x11 required ;) |
| 18:41.04 | raptor67782 | I miss sthg maybe once |
| 18:41.31 | raptor67782 | I am wondering if really libpulse0 is necessary |
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| 18:41.45 | ePax | raptor67782, usb... now i got ttyACM0 |
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| 18:41.53 | raptor67782 | I guess that this should have been a mistake during making the DEB ... maybe it should be put to testing ... . |
| 18:41.54 | stew | teratorn: whatever /bin/sh points to (which is often dash, might be bash) |
| 18:41.56 | drecute | hello good people |
| 18:42.00 | ePax | raptor67782, trying to send sms with gsmsendsms |
| 18:42.12 | drecute | please I need help with this: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.networking/browse_thread/thread/269336a7c8a4c5ab |
| 18:42.27 | teratorn | stew: well, the shell will run in "sh"-compat mode regardless, I assume? |
| 18:42.28 | raptor67782 | ePax: I did it once with irda at that time (and no x11 required) |
| 18:42.50 | teratorn | so standard POSIX sh is the only reasonble target for a deb pkg install/rm script? |
| 18:43.07 | stew | teratorn: yes, all scripts must be strictly posix by policy |
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| 18:43.25 | ePax | raptor67782, i dont have X |
| 18:43.26 | stew | teratorn: (and this is automatically checked for) |
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| 18:43.48 | teratorn | stew: ...hows that? |
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| 18:44.38 | stew | vovkav: i'd think that checkinstall generated stuff would be only mininmally useful if you already know how to write a control file. read the nmg. Often the best way to generate debian/* files is by plagarizing them from other packages |
| 18:44.53 | jackjjd | hi , is lightdm lighter than gdm ? |
| 18:45.03 | abrotman | jackjjd: one would hope with a name like that |
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| 18:45.31 | jackjjd | abrotman: i know. but light could mean also "lighter than kdm" :) |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 18:45.56 | jackjjd | -_- |
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| 18:46.13 | sKeiths | i am missing SYSTEM->PREFERENCES->SESSIONS how do i get the menu item? |
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| 18:47.47 | raptor67782 | jackjjd: forget ligtdm |
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| 18:48.02 | tables | anyone use debian inside virtualbox? i'm trying to make the screen size adjust |
| 18:48.11 | raptor67782 | jackjjd: learn OPENBOX, nothing is faster than That !! really maybe twm or tinywm |
| 18:48.21 | tables | i think i need to install virtualbox guest additions |
| 18:48.35 | raptor67782 | abrotman: nothing faster than OPENBOX really guys |
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| 18:49.59 | sKeiths | try virtualbox-guest-additions |
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| 18:51.55 | sKeiths | change that. use open-vm-toolbox |
| 18:51.59 | twobitsprite | does anyone know of a way to have the NFS client remap local users to different remote UIDs? |
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| 18:52.26 | twobitsprite | I've found some reference to a static_map option for the NFS mount, but it doesn't seem to be working, and some posts are suggesting that it no longer exists |
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| 18:52.34 | funkadelic | In a text file, how can I get all text after and including a line with a certain word in it? |
| 18:52.57 | valerie | I tried to install Debian Wheezy on laptop that had Windows and Linux. During installation I only deleted partition with linux and swap. Now, when installation is complete, Debian Wheezy doesn't start at all and Windows (loader) is on /dev/sda1, and Windows Recovery Environment (loader) is on /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3 . Any hope of Windows still being there? |
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| 18:54.21 | twobitsprite | this is nfsv3 |
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| 18:55.44 | blubberdiblub | valerie, might be a problem with the boot loader. where did you tell the debian installer to install grub? into the MBR or into the boot sector of one of the partitions? and yeah, windows is most probably fine, if you haven't overwritten its partition with some other filesystem |
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| 18:58.00 | valerie | blubberdiblub, into MBR |
| 18:59.06 | blubberdiblub | valerie, hmm, that should actually be the best option. do you get into the grub boot menu at all? or does it print any messages? where exactly does the startup process fail? |
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| 19:02.19 | Jef91 | When trying to connect to a network using nm-applet it fails and throws "gnome-keyring-daemon received signal 11" in terminal. |
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| 19:05.51 | valerie | I just tried to start Windows again and it is working. Linux doesn't start at all, the screen is black |
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| 19:07.31 | valerie | blabberdiblum, I only get the screen where you can choose operating system |
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| 19:08.42 | blubberdiblub | valerie, ah, i see. and debian definitely doesn't load at all? there's no disk activity whatsoever while the screen is black? |
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| 19:11.31 | valerie | blubberdiblub, this last time I tried to start Linux, there were some quick lines and now the screen is whit and black. What would you call disk activity, the lines of writings? |
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| 19:13.00 | cibegt | themill: that was the case |
| 19:13.39 | cibegt | themill: is there a bug in libcairo2? |
| 19:13.41 | valerie | blubberdiblub, all I get "loading, please wait" and few more lines |
| 19:13.58 | blubberdiblub | valerie, most laptops usually have an indicator light showing disk activity (the boot process should cause a lot of disk activity) |
| 19:14.31 | cibegt | themill: anyway, thank you! |
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| 19:15.53 | blubberdiblub | valerie, the reason is it might be booting, just the graphics mode could be incorrect, causing the blank or garbled screen |
| 19:16.32 | themill | cibegt: actually, it's a bug much further down the xorg stack (in the drivers!) but cairo only just recently exposed it, apparently. |
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| 19:16.47 | valerie | blubberdiblub, the disk light goes on and then turns off. What should I do about graphics? |
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| 19:17.34 | cibegt | themill: thanks for the info |
| 19:18.17 | blubberdiblub | valerie, well, if the light stays off, it doesn't look like it's actually booting |
| 19:19.02 | blubberdiblub | valerie, what kind of laptop is this? |
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| 19:19.40 | valerie | blabberdiblub, the light is staying off. It is HP |
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| 19:20.32 | abrotman | raptor67782: yes, there is, and by alot |
| 19:20.36 | abrotman | a lot |
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| 19:21.41 | blubberdiblub | valerie, well, then my idea about the possible cause is probably wrong, sorry. looks like i can't help you much. did you have more luck with debian squeeze? |
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| 19:24.13 | valerie | blubberdiblub, the OS I tried to install was debian wheezy and I used the same CD to install it on another computer and it was fine. Do you think I should try to install it again? I there something I can do if I go into BIOS? |
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| 19:26.37 | valerie | blubberdiblub, before installation there was a message re firmware that should be installed with USB device, but it was ignored |
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| 19:27.44 | blubberdiblub | valerie, well, i wouldn't know what to change in BIOS to improve the situation, sorry |
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| 19:28.19 | valerie | blubberdiblub, thanks |
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| 19:31.07 | blubberdiblub | valerie, i would probably try starting grub in text mode and try different graphics mode parameters to the kernel in order to rule out the possibility that it's caused by a graphics problem |
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| 19:31.54 | craigevil | or figure out what the missing firmware is and install it |
| 19:32.30 | valerie | blubberdiblub, in other words I should try linux recovery mode? |
| 19:33.44 | blubberdiblub | valerie, no, i meant the graphics mode it switches to as soon as the boot loader hands off to the kernel or as soon as the kernel starts booting, respectively. and even grub's graphics mode vs. text mode |
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| 19:35.06 | valerie | blubberdiblub, how do I start grub in text mode? |
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| 19:36.33 | blubberdiblub | valerie, hum, that's a bit tricky. i know how to do that when you're actually able to boot. i'm not sure to how to switch it to text mode while on its menu/command line. you could start the rescue console from your installation media and configure grub to text mode there |
| 19:38.56 | valerie | blubberdiblub, I went to BIOS and hard disk was not one of the options for booting there. Can it be a problem? |
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| 19:40.01 | blubberdiblub | valerie, i don't think so. after all the boot loader and windows is also stored on your hard disk (i assume), and those 2 get successfully booted |
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| 19:42.42 | vvcoder | hi all |
| 19:43.07 | vvcoder | is zsh better than bash? |
| 19:43.17 | valerie | blubberdiblub, I am starting the installation from DVD again, but I never configured grug to text mode |
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| 19:43.26 | Withheld | I keep trying to use btrfs |
| 19:43.32 | Doobie-420 | dash is faster than bash |
| 19:43.36 | Withheld | And I have to use a seperate /boot |
| 19:43.45 | vvcoder | Doobie-420: ??? |
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| 19:44.29 | Doobie-420 | vvcoder; i've never used zsh, but the dash shell is faster |
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| 19:44.44 | Withheld_ | And every single time GRUB fails to install |
| 19:44.50 | peterrooney | vvcoder: on what criteria? also, /join #bash | /join #zsh |
| 19:44.55 | Withheld_ | What do I have to do to make GRUB install? |
| 19:45.22 | stew | dash is faster because it assumes that its not going to be used interactively, and is stripped of features you probably want an interactive shell to have |
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| 19:45.52 | blubberdiblub | valerie, i can walk you through doing that. just tell me when you are in the menu where you can select one of several installation stages/steps/actions |
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| 19:45.58 | stew | vvcoder: a lot of people prefer zsh. try it and see if you like it |
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| 19:46.41 | Withheld_ | Cannot find device /boot/grub |
| 19:46.42 | vvcoder | stew: thanks, let me try |
| 19:46.44 | Withheld_ | What does it want form me? |
| 19:46.54 | Withheld_ | Is /dev mounted? |
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| 19:47.00 | Withheld_ | from* |
| 19:47.32 | karlpinc | find zsh leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Why yet another shell variant? Shells suck anyway. |
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| 19:48.01 | ebw | Hi there, how can I control, whether I |
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| 19:48.18 | ebw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.31 | karlpinc | ebw: Install the 386 arch then you have a 386 system (486 really). Install amd64, then you've a amd64 system. Is that what your asking? |
| 19:49.34 | Withheld_ | I can't install LILO either |
| 19:50.00 | stew | Withheld_: are you booted via a rescue disk or something? |
| 19:50.13 | stew | Withheld_: are /proc and /dev and /sys mounted? |
| 19:50.25 | ebw | karlpinc: I don't know which one I installed ... I used cdebootstrap and didn't care .. know I don't know how to recognise, which one I have? |
| 19:50.33 | Withheld_ | I'm booted with the mini.iso, and this only happens when I need a separate boot partition regardless of the iso I'm on |
| 19:50.36 | valerie | blubberdiblub, I think you are referring to the very first page of installtion. I am now at detect network hardware and the message is 'some of yur hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. The firmware can be loaded from removable media... The missing firmware files are : brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw I do not have any removable media. Do I just ignore the message like last time? |
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| 19:50.49 | karlpinc | ebw: "uname -a" should show the arch. |
| 19:50.54 | stew | ebw: what does "file /bin/ls" say? |
| 19:51.06 | Withheld_ | stew: yep, all of them |
| 19:51.29 | ebw | stew: /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable. So I am 32 bit? |
| 19:51.35 | stew | Withheld_: is boot in /proc/mounts ? |
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| 19:51.37 | _neilx_ | ebw: lsb_release -a |
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| 19:51.44 | _neilx_ | uname -a |
| 19:51.45 | stew | ebw: yes |
| 19:51.49 | Withheld_ | stew: no |
| 19:51.53 | blubberdiblub | valerie, it is probably not related to the boot problem. it's your broadcom wireless adapter |
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| 19:52.04 | Withheld_ | stew: mount my boot partition there? |
| 19:52.07 | stew | Withheld_: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 19:52.14 | Withheld_ | ... |
| 19:52.15 | Withheld_ | yes |
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| 19:52.19 | stew | Withheld_: no, that's not a mount point, that is a list of all the mounts the kernel knows about |
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| 19:52.31 | stew | did you mount /boot before or after chrooting? |
| 19:52.40 | _neilx_ | valerie: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:52.42 | stew | (i'm at least assuming you are chrooted) |
| 19:52.48 | blubberdiblub | valerie, there should be an option in the list that drops you to a rescue shell. or use Alt-F2 |
| 19:52.53 | Withheld_ | Boot is a separate portion...and how would I know, I'm installing debian |
| 19:52.57 | ebw | karlpinc, _neilx_: neither lsb_release -a nor uname -a delivered that information |
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| 19:53.06 | Withheld_ | I click menu items, stuff happens |
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| 19:53.09 | stew | _neilx_: note that on a 386 install, uname -a might very well be an amd64 kernel |
| 19:53.12 | Withheld_ | Er, not click |
| 19:53.15 | Withheld_ | but yeah |
| 19:53.23 | stew | oh |
| 19:53.30 | stew | Withheld_: you are still in the middle of the initial install? |
| 19:53.34 | mithrop | hi everyone :) |
| 19:53.38 | stew | for some reason I thought this was rescue |
| 19:53.39 | Withheld_ | stew: yes |
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| 19:53.46 | karlpinc | ebw, stew : Yup, stew is right, uname -a is not the best choice. Sorry. |
| 19:53.55 | Withheld_ | I'm just trying to use btrfs....so I have to use a seperate /boot |
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| 19:55.00 | stew | Withheld_: which installer are you using? what version of debian are you installing? |
| 19:55.09 | mithrop | I have a problem with aptitude upgrade. Actually, there are 30 upgrade which are never made. Somebody can help me about it ? |
| 19:55.13 | Withheld_ | stew: stable, expert installer |
| 19:55.24 | Withheld_ | mini.iso in a VirtualBox |
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| 19:55.51 | stew | note that the btrfs support in that kernel was labeled "experimental, broken, don't use except for benchmarking" |
| 19:55.57 | stew | afaik |
| 19:56.07 | _neilx_ | Withheld_: why not ext4? btrfs isnt support |
| 19:56.11 | stew | not that I think that is related to your current problem |
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| 19:56.23 | _neilx_ | stew: ok |
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| 19:56.29 | valerie | _neilx, I get apt-get not found |
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| 19:57.01 | Withheld_ | btrfs is not the problem here just btw, the problem is having a separate /boot. I understand what I'm getting into with btrfs otherwise |
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| 19:58.31 | _neilx_ | valerie: are you install debian, now? |
| 19:58.46 | stew | Withheld_: is the boot fs currently mounted? |
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| 19:59.16 | _neilx_ | stew: is btrfs support in grub/lilo loader? |
| 19:59.16 | Withheld_ | No it is not.... |
| 19:59.22 | Withheld_ | No |
| 19:59.26 | Withheld_ | _neilx_: no* |
| 19:59.42 | Withheld_ | Which is why...I have a seprate ext3 /boot |
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| 20:00.00 | valerie | neilx, when the installation was completed, I could not start debian, so I was trying to install it again |
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| 20:00.02 | _neilx_ | I make /boot whith ext3 only , not another forever |
| 20:00.03 | blubberdiblub | grub2 does support btrfs, but only to a certain extern. that's why you should use a separate /boot partition |
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| 20:00.28 | blubberdiblub | s/extern/extent/ |
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| 20:00.41 | Withheld_ | I know this.....the problem is -installing grub with a seperate /boot- |
| 20:00.42 | stew | Withheld_: I don't recall if /boot should be mounted at the time when grub is about to install, but it seems reasonable |
| 20:00.46 | wajasu | i got a debian-squeeze-netinstall.iso build to use my own preseed.cfg with no prompts, just fine, and I boot a qemu based install. I only want to know if I can get the initial debian gui (with the logo and menu Install,Graphical...) to preselect Install. Is that before debian-installer? or can I preseed the answer? |
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| 20:01.20 | stew | Withheld_: installing with a separate boot is somehting that happens all the time. its probably something that isn't being done for you automatically because you are doing an expert install |
| 20:01.29 | _neilx_ | valerie: maybe you install boot loader not in /dev/sda |
| 20:01.30 | stew | Withheld_: perhaps like making sure /boot is actually mounted |
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| 20:01.39 | Withheld_ | I just did...it still failed |
| 20:02.02 | stew | Withheld_: and is /boot actually populated? |
| 20:02.09 | blubberdiblub | stew, yes, /boot needs to be mounted |
| 20:02.18 | Withheld_ | It's empty.... |
| 20:02.21 | stew | there you go |
| 20:02.33 | Withheld_ | But why? What am I supposed too...? |
| 20:02.44 | Withheld_ | I'v einstalled the base system, what did it do with it? |
| 20:02.50 | stew | Withheld_: it should have been mounted BEFORE the packages (like kenrel packages) were installed |
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| 20:03.16 | Withheld_ | This is weird, normally I don't have to touch a console... |
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| 20:03.25 | stew | Withheld_: so /boot on the / filesystem has the files that should have gone into the /boot filesystem? |
| 20:03.40 | Withheld_ | I'll look, sigh |
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| 20:04.09 | Withheld_ | Nope, also empty |
| 20:04.30 | Withheld_ | It seems to have downloaded it....and them promptly did absolutely nothing with the components |
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| 20:04.43 | valerie | _neilx, I also had Windows on that laptop and now it shows windows on /dev/sda Is it a problem for Linux? |
| 20:04.44 | stew | Withheld_: is other stuff populated on /? does /bin/cat exist? |
| 20:04.57 | _neilx_ | Withheld_: you must / and directory /boot for mount dev in /boot |
| 20:05.28 | Withheld_ | bluh... |
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| 20:05.34 | stew | (and, of course i mean that you should look at /target/bin/cat) |
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| 20:05.48 | Withheld_ | Is this a bug? This in theory -should- have been done by the installer |
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| 20:05.58 | _neilx_ | valerie: no |
| 20:06.00 | Withheld_ | Shouldn't have to go into the console and mount stuff manually |
| 20:06.52 | Withheld_ | Whatever, blanking the hard drive and trying again |
| 20:07.30 | educr0w | Hello, I am migrating from arch to debian, I used to have only tint2 in openbox autostart.sh file and when openbox start, wicd icon was en tray, now I have to run wicd-client or wicd-gtk to have it. I am missing something? |
| 20:07.34 | valerie | _neilx, should I try installing debian again? |
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| 20:08.50 | _neilx_ | valerie: check your partition |
| 20:08.51 | _neilx_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:09.26 | stew | Withheld_: right, i'd expect that you could instead end up with them mounted using partman |
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| 20:10.10 | valerie | _neilx, how can I check partition, unless I go through installation again? |
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| 20:11.30 | _neilx_ | valerie: start install - if you have got hard disk option - show me |
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| 20:13.11 | _neilx_ | hdd have got partition - for your windows and another, you must install debian with min. 2 partitons, for example: |
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| 20:13.40 | _neilx_ | /dev/sda1 - NTFS, you must (for example) make partiton for / and swap |
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| 20:14.24 | _neilx_ | and install grub in /dev/sda (then you have chosen for two OS (windows/linux) |
| 20:14.35 | mithrop | nobody can help me aout my never made upgrade, please ? :( |
| 20:14.36 | jhutchins_wk | swap can be done with a file instead of a partition. |
| 20:15.20 | _neilx_ | jhutchins_wk: for valerie it is good |
| 20:15.37 | _neilx_ | separate |
| 20:15.38 | jhutchins_wk | mithrop: What exact command did you use? |
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| 20:15.57 | _neilx_ | my english isn't the best ;) |
| 20:15.57 | arietis | can anyone check my kern.log and say if there is any problem? i can't make my device work and have no idea what's wrong https://gist.github.com/785135fa188d56b47600 |
| 20:16.16 | jhutchins_wk | arietis: What is your device? |
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| 20:16.36 | arietis | jhutchins_wk: network hdd |
| 20:17.02 | mithrop | "# aptitude upgrade" then I have this : "0 packages updated, 0 newly installed, 0 to delete et 35 not updated." (badly translated from french ^^). |
| 20:17.23 | stew | mithrop: and you want to know about the 35 not updated? |
| 20:17.26 | jhutchins_wk | mithrop: good enough. What about full-upgrade? |
| 20:17.38 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, stew will know what's up. |
| 20:17.51 | stew | mithrop: what version of debian is this? |
| 20:18.04 | _neilx_ | mithrop: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? and check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:18.15 | babilen | mithrop: Try "aptitude full-upgrade" and you can prefix the command with "LANG=C" if you want messages in English. ("LANG=C aptitude full-upgrade") -- You might also want to read "man aptitude" and in particular the discussion of safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 20:18.24 | stew | _neilx_: that's not going to do anything different |
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| 20:18.37 | babilen | mithrop: Which version of Debian is this? |
| 20:18.39 | stew | the fact that there are 35 not updated means this is probably not stable |
| 20:18.45 | stew | and I'm wondering if it is older or newer |
| 20:18.48 | stew | probably older |
| 20:18.51 | _neilx_ | stew: yes, maybe it good for him, we will see |
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| 20:19.03 | valerie | _neilx, #1 primary 208.7 MB B ntfs, #2 primary 255.3 GB ntfs, #5 logical 150 GB ext4, #6 logical 35 GB ext4, #7 logical 16 GB ext4, #8 logical 16 GB ext4, #9 logical 7.7 GB F SWAP, #3 primary 15.6 GB ntfs, unusable 4.3 GB unusable. Looks like 150 GB filesystem didn't get mounted at / |
| 20:19.22 | mithrop | a Wheezy one. I remember I installed apt-listbugs and "disallow" a package one time. |
| 20:19.44 | _neilx_ | stew: what are you prefer? apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:19.56 | stew | _neilx_: aptitude |
| 20:20.25 | stew | mithrop: /msg dpkg held back |
| 20:20.32 | jhutchins_wk | arietis: I think you may need to install the multipath drivers or drivers specific to your SAN. |
| 20:20.50 | stew | mithrop: if you are using aptitude, I don't think it reports the held back packages, but you should be able to find them with "aptitude search '~U'" |
| 20:20.54 | _neilx_ | aptitude rescue me more time, but I use apt-get |
| 20:21.01 | valerie | _neilx, I just wrote all the partitions and then accidently erased it. Could you see it? I can type it again, but looks like all ext4 filesystems were not mounted |
| 20:21.02 | jhutchins_wk | arietis: How is it shareing? iscsi or fiberchannel? |
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| 20:21.37 | Nach0z | hey guys, I got a bit of a problem I need some help with |
| 20:21.52 | mithrop | stew, with a aptitude search '~U', I have a lot of packages. Mainly xserver-* and one apt |
| 20:22.03 | Nach0z | I'm trying to apt-get install something on debian 5.0 but all the mirrors are returning 404... any ideas how to fix this? |
| 20:22.28 | arietis | jhutchins_wk: sharing what? it's ARM-based device with ethernet port |
| 20:22.44 | stew | mithrop: if you want to just simplly upgrade them use full-upgrade instead of upgrade or safe-upgrade. if you want to investigate why exactly they are not being upgraded you now have a candidate list of pacakges to investigate using instruction from /msg dpkg held back |
| 20:22.45 | valerie | _neilx, I see I didn't erase it it afterall. should I just mount 150 GB on / and that should solve the problem? |
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| 20:22.54 | mithrop | babilen, with a full-upgrade, it point out a conflict about dependencies |
| 20:23.06 | jhutchins_wk | So it could be serving shares as NFS or Samba (or Apple), it could be doing iscsi. It matters. |
| 20:23.13 | stew | Nach0z: 5.0 is obsolete and no longer maintained, so the repository has been archived: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 20:23.15 | _neilx_ | valerie: |
| 20:23.30 | stew | Nach0z: its recommended that you upgrade to squeeze following chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 20:23.53 | _neilx_ | valerie: if it is your first install and you haven't data on all ext4 |
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| 20:24.19 | babilen | mithrop: Ok -- You are now aware why these packages can't be installed at the moment. You might have to break some ties manually, but it might also merely be the case that you have to wait. Could you paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 20:24.21 | kyon79 | hello people ! does someone know where I could find a repository for apt installation of httpd 2.4 on debian squeeze, please ? |
| 20:24.36 | _neilx_ | valerie: delete all ext4 and swap, then create one for / with etx4 and one for SWAP |
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| 20:24.39 | Nach0z | alrighty, thanks |
| 20:24.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions apache2 |
| 20:24.48 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.2.22-5; sid: 2.2.22-6; experimental: 2.4.2-2 |
| 20:24.56 | babilen | mithrop: Please also cycle through the other suggestions by aptitude (by entering "n" when asked if you accept this solution) |
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| 20:25.10 | mithrop | babilen, ok I'll do it right now. stew, the dependencies problems can be the solution, right ? |
| 20:25.16 | kyon79 | 2.2 even on sid ? gosh... |
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| 20:26.02 | stew | kyon79: since we are so close to the freeze its not the right time to put a major apache upgrade into the next debian release |
| 20:26.14 | valerie | _neilx, thanks, I will do that |
| 20:26.17 | stew | kyon79: 2.4 will likely stay in experimental until after release |
| 20:26.29 | educr0w | I am migrating from arch to debian, I used to have tint2 and other stuff (nothing about wicd) in openbox autostart.sh file and when openbox started, wicd icon was in tray, now I have to run wicd-client or wicd-gtk to have it. I am missing something? |
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| 20:26.41 | _neilx_ | valerie: after that you install debian and make install grub on /dev/sda |
| 20:26.51 | _neilx_ | (with installer) |
| 20:27.31 | kyon79 | stew : I understand the concern. I'm a bit annoyed cause 2.4 fixes a very stupid bug in dynamic virtual hosts configuration, and apache didn't bother to backport it to 2.2 |
| 20:27.36 | _neilx_ | wheeze in this year? |
| 20:27.45 | stew | kyon79: its possible that debian backported it |
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| 20:27.56 | stew | kyon79: is there a bug open in the debian bts for it? |
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| 20:28.02 | h44l | is there a chatroom where i can ask a question about buying a device that connects to a TV? im trying to decide on a device that switches between DVD palyers and other things connected to a TV |
| 20:28.12 | stew | h44l: try ##hardware |
| 20:28.15 | kyon79 | no idea, let me check |
| 20:28.18 | dvs | ??? |
| 20:28.49 | kyon79 | sorry, but I never looked at debian bts, where is it ? ^^;; |
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| 20:28.58 | stew | !bts |
| 20:28.58 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 20:29.09 | kyon79 | bugs.debian.org , no shortcut to httpd .? |
| 20:29.15 | kyon79 | oh ok |
| 20:29.31 | stew | kyon79: there should hopefully be a bug tracking this issue in debian which should tell you which version of the debian package contains the fix |
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| 20:31.02 | arietis | which log should i check after kern.log if i have problems with getting server up after power failure? |
| 20:31.26 | stew | syslog? |
| 20:31.28 | kyon79 | I couldn't find it in bts, but maybe I'm looking it the wrong way. I found it in the apache bts, though : https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26052 |
| 20:31.32 | _neilx_ | arietis: check filesystem? |
| 20:31.34 | jhutchins_wk | arietis: Depends on the problems. |
| 20:31.49 | valerie | _neilx, I always added grub to boot master before. Can't I do the same now? If ext4 is not mounted, the OS is not going to work? Sorry, I do not know some basics. |
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| 20:32.20 | jhutchins_wk | kyon79: Not sure exactly what you're up to, but on Debian apache is apache2, not httpd |
| 20:33.08 | _neilx_ | valerie: bios have got protected boot sector? |
| 20:33.41 | kyon79 | yeah, I just figured that -_- I was just looking now to apache2 instead of httpd , but I don't find any bug involving VirtualDocumentRoot |
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| 20:34.15 | kyon79 | or maybe not |
| 20:34.32 | mithrop | babilen, stew : http://paste.debian.net/172258/ |
| 20:35.17 | kyon79 | one bug involving VirtualDocumentRoot , but not fixed yet, and doesn't seem to be the same as mine |
| 20:35.26 | arietis | syslog is too big to watch in console -.- |
| 20:35.39 | arietis | how can i copy it if i connected via telnet? |
| 20:35.43 | valerie | _neilx, I do not know. I should say that I never installed linux on that laptop before, but on other computers I always added grub to master boot |
| 20:35.58 | kyon79 | anyway, I guess I'll wait for apache 2.4 to be available on debian. Thanks for your help ! |
| 20:35.58 | stew | kyon79: i see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507999, but that's about it |
| 20:36.00 | mithrop | sorry for the time, there is a lot of solutions given by aptitude and paste can't exceed 90kb... |
| 20:36.24 | kyon79 | stew: I found it myself |
| 20:36.29 | jhutchins_wk | kyon79: Thousands if not millions of websites are working just fine with apache2 right now - perhaps there is a problem with the configuration as opposed to a bug. |
| 20:36.39 | _neilx_ | valerie: have you got grub installed? |
| 20:36.50 | Doobie-420 | MILLIONS!! |
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| 20:37.17 | kyon79 | jhutchins_wk, maybe they don't bother because the bug exists since 2004 and was fixed in apache 2.4.1 ;-) |
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| 20:38.12 | valerie | _neilx, I believe so |
| 20:38.30 | kyon79 | so yes, it is probably not a big problem |
| 20:38.49 | _neilx_ | valerie: if you boot laptop - are you see grub loader? |
| 20:38.51 | jhutchins_wk | kyon79: Most of the sites are running older versions rather than bleeding edgee. |
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| 20:39.34 | kyon79 | it's just annoying for people using virtual subdomains -- having to create one config file for each of them to redefine DocumentRoot instead of having one VirtualDocumentRoot for them all |
| 20:39.52 | _neilx_ | valerie: if yes - choose e - check root= |
| 20:40.00 | kyon79 | but yes, definitively not preventing millions of people to use an older version of apache |
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| 20:40.04 | valerie | _neilx, yes, otherwise I would not see the choice of OS on the computer |
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| 20:41.45 | babilen | mithrop: You have a couple of independent issues in there. First of all: fglrx can't be used in wheezy/sid right now (and has been removed from wheezy) due to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320 |
| 20:41.52 | _neilx_ | valerie: root must with partition with /dev/sda* with / - what's up if you boot linux? |
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| 20:42.18 | babilen | mithrop: I would actually recommend to just remove fglrx and whatever configuration you have for it and switch to the free radeon driver *unless* you have a good reason to use fglrx. |
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| 20:42.49 | stew | babilen: (or just sit back and wait?) |
| 20:42.54 | jhutchins_wk | kyon79: Yeah, I would guess that most experienced apache admins are used to defining each virtualhost complete with documentroot. |
| 20:43.22 | mithrop | fglrx have better performances on my system... Only reason for now... Don't want to risk to break everything because all is working fine right now. |
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| 20:43.32 | jhutchins_wk | kyon79: I came from the single-file days, but I actually like debian's file-per-site method. |
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| 20:44.24 | stew | kyon79: work around it with copious mod_rewrite! |
| 20:44.25 | babilen | stew, mithrop: Yeah, that is definitely a solution as well. I would expect fglrx -5 to be uploaded soon™ to sid and it can be expected to hit testing in due course. |
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| 20:45.02 | babilen | mithrop: I am not entirely sure what is going on with your KDE setup there, but it looks as if you used some metapackage to install KDE and removed one of its depdencies. Do you use KDE? |
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| 20:45.39 | babilen | mithrop: What does "apt-get autoremove --purge -s" give you? |
| 20:45.45 | mithrop | babilen, yes, I use it :) |
| 20:45.55 | valerie | _neilx, I am in the process of installing debian now again and it is a very slow process out here. But to answer your question, when I boot linux I get 'loading, please wait', and then garbled screen |
| 20:46.16 | mithrop | babilen, I am using aptitude. There is the same command to continue to use the same tool or should I try apt-get for this time ? |
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| 20:46.59 | babilen | mithrop: I woulnd't have mentioned apt-get if I didn't mean it. Don't worry as you can freely use apt-get and aptitude and therefore just pick the tool that is appropriate. |
| 20:47.18 | mithrop | ok :) |
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| 20:48.10 | mithrop | babilen, => "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 not upgraded." |
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| 20:49.20 | jhutchins_wk | mithrop: stew explained the problem to you half an hour ago at least. |
| 20:49.36 | jhutchins_wk | mithrop: /msg dpkg held back |
| 20:49.45 | DeusEx | howdy all |
| 20:49.54 | babilen | mithrop: Ok, that is good. I am pretty sure that mysql (and the proposed removal of mysql-common) brings the whole KDE installation to fall. (akanadi depends on it IIRC) -- I guess the sensible thing to do right now is to wait. |
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| 20:49.55 | kyon79 | jhutchins_wk, actually, I like the method too, but a working virtualdocumentroot would have pleased me ;-) |
| 20:50.02 | kyon79 | anyway thanks again for your time :) |
| 20:50.09 | kyon79 | and you too, stew |
| 20:50.12 | kyon79 | *yoursµ |
| 20:50.15 | kyon79 | *yours |
| 20:50.20 | jhutchins_wk | kyon79: I can see how it would be useful. |
| 20:51.34 | _neilx_ | valerie: try with another kernel? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:52.01 | mithrop | jhutchins, I understand what is a kept back packages. But I have 35 kept back packages and don't really understand what is the problem with them. I'm not actually a professionnal Debian user ;) So babilen told me to wait a little, so I'll do it if there is no better solution ;) |
| 20:52.09 | arietis | stew: jhutchins_wk: _neilx_: after looks like my device can't set up ip address properly |
| 20:52.21 | arietis | after checking logs* |
| 20:52.38 | arietis | but i wrote it manually in /etc/networ/interfaces |
| 20:52.50 | arietis | have no idea why it stopped get it from here |
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| 20:54.41 | mithrop | babilen, stew > thank you for your help :) |
| 20:54.53 | stew | :) |
| 20:54.53 | babilen | mithrop: You have 2 independent issues right now. Or rather not you, but wheezy. First and foremost fglrx-driver has been removed from wheezy due it not working correctly with the current X server. This problem has been fixed IIRC in a newer fglrx-driver version from upstream (.5) but that version has not yet been uploaded to Debian. |
| 20:55.02 | _neilx_ | arietis: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 20:55.54 | else- | how can i install an arm toolchain? i've added an emdebian repository, but there are lots of broken packages |
| 20:56.06 | mithrop | babilen, ok, I understood the problem. I'll just wait for the new package ;) |
| 20:56.17 | babilen | mithrop: The second is the mysql issue (haven't seen that, but you can probably find the root cause by digging deeper) -- mysql-common : Breaks: mysql-server-core-5.1 (< 5.5) but 5.1.62-1 is installed. -- This causes the removal of mysql-common and thereby the removal of a large chunk of your KDE installation. |
| 20:56.31 | babilen | ,v mysql-server-core-5.1 |
| 20:56.32 | judd | Package: mysql-server-core-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; sid: 5.1.62-1; wheezy: 5.1.62-1 |
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| 20:56.38 | arietis | _neilx_: https://gist.github.com/15bd0f99df1d7eb048c1 |
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| 20:57.29 | Lejda | hey guys |
| 20:57.41 | valerie | _neilx, I am going to wait and see if this new installation will be successful first. Do you think that not mounting any of the partitions was the cause of the problem? |
| 20:58.22 | mithrop | babilen, I'll take a look at the mysql issue... |
| 20:58.40 | Lejda | how can i install additional keyboard ? |
| 20:58.49 | Lejda | Debian Desktop |
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| 20:59.42 | _neilx_ | valerie: some laptop - new kernel is recommended |
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| 20:59.59 | babilen | mithrop: I guess that both of these issues will resolve themselves within some time. I don't know from the top of my head what changes to MySQL packages have been uploaded to Debian. |
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| 21:00.10 | stew | Lejda: what do you mean exactly? how about "just plug it in and start using it"? |
| 21:00.24 | _neilx_ | i have got probook 4730s with Linux debian 3.2.2-skalmar6 ;) |
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| 21:00.34 | Lejda | no i installed xrdp |
| 21:00.53 | Lejda | when i create remote connection is disables my settings |
| 21:01.07 | Lejda | so i need to install additional keyboard on system |
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| 21:02.10 | stew | Lejda: what do you mean by "disables my settings"? |
| 21:02.11 | valerie | _neilx, thanks for your time |
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| 21:03.28 | Lejda | when i connect via xrd. my local keyboard set is 105 key tr Q, but xrdp( installed machine) is uses 105 key en_US keyboard |
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| 21:03.58 | _neilx_ | valerie - no problem, arietis: try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ Unknown device have you got |
| 21:04.11 | else- | "gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi : Depends: cpp-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi (= 4.4.5-8) but it is not going to be installed" can anyone help? |
| 21:04.28 | else- | cpp-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi depends on libgmp3c2, which itself is not available |
| 21:04.38 | stew | Lejda: if you compare the output of "/lib/udev/findkeyboards" when run as root. does it look like there is an additional keyboard attached when the remote user is attached? |
| 21:04.41 | mithrop | babilen, not a problem ^^ thank you very much for looking at my problem :) |
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| 21:05.28 | Lejda | stew thats looks my problem |
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| 21:05.38 | stew | Lejda: is that a "yes"? |
| 21:05.38 | Lejda | im trying thanks for your help |
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| 21:05.42 | Lejda | yes |
| 21:05.42 | _neilx_ | arietis: i have got : # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169), |
| 21:05.44 | bs0d | Hello everybody |
| 21:06.00 | bs0d | Which version of Eclipse does debian have in its repositories? I need Eclipse for Java EE |
| 21:06.20 | stew | Lejda: so you could tell udev to assign different maps to each keybaord as they are attched. I have documented some of the stuff you'd need to do here: http://stew.vireo.org/blog/posts/Udev_and_multiple_keyboards/ |
| 21:06.35 | arietis | _neilx_: i don't understand u :S |
| 21:06.41 | stew | Lejda: but you wouldn't have to create your own keymaps, you should be able to use existing keymaps already present in /lib/udev/keymaps |
| 21:06.52 | _neilx_ | bs0d: i prefer netbeans ;) |
| 21:07.03 | stew | judd: versions eclipse-jdt |
| 21:07.04 | judd | Package: eclipse-jdt on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.7.2-1; wheezy: 3.7.2-1 |
| 21:07.07 | stew | bs0d: ^^ |
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| 21:09.43 | jhutchins_wk | Did arietis ever solve the drive problem? |
| 21:09.53 | stew | Lejda: i have to run, good luck. if its not obvious, you get to skip the whole middle section about discovering scan codes and go right to the creating a udev rule part |
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| 21:10.11 | _neilx_ | arietis: sudo update-pciids , check network card |
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| 21:10.26 | _neilx_ | via lspci |
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| 21:11.21 | arietis | jhutchins_wk: trying to understand why device can't get ip at system start |
| 21:11.37 | arietis | jhutchins_wk: system is working but device is unreachable |
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| 21:12.11 | stew | arietis: "device" here is something running debian? |
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| 21:12.20 | arietis | stew: yes, debian arm |
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| 21:13.23 | arietis | it stopped working properly after power failure but it works if i boot kernel via tftp |
| 21:13.52 | arietis | in that case i'm setting up ip manually |
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| 21:15.44 | _neilx_ | arietis: of course, it worked , but after power failure not |
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| 21:19.37 | _neilx_ | arietis: /etc/network/interface : allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 21:19.43 | _neilx_ | or auto? |
| 21:19.48 | arietis | auto |
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| 21:23.03 | _neilx_ | arietis: you haven't got gui like gnome? |
| 21:23.12 | _neilx_ | with network-manager |
| 21:23.19 | _neilx_ | like that |
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| 21:24.04 | arietis | _neilx_: nope, telnet only |
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| 21:27.52 | nutron | how do I get a debian workstation to give precedence to assigned dns servers through dhcp? "option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.2, 10.0.0.3" the old config has 10.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf... if I take bind down on .1, dns no longer works but dig gets an answer if I tell it where to look. |
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| 21:28.56 | nutron | sorry, the option is in the dhcp server config |
| 21:29.39 | arietis | how does debian obtain ip at system startup btw? |
| 21:29.53 | nutron | arietis: asking me? dhcp |
| 21:30.01 | bs0d | is Java EE present in Debian package repository? Im looking for it, but can't find an exact math. Can anybody help me? |
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| 21:30.19 | arietis | nutron: no, trying to fix my device :) |
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| 21:30.23 | dvs | arietis: it depends how you configure it |
| 21:30.36 | arietis | dvs: in my case it's static |
| 21:30.38 | nutron | arietis: ahh ok |
| 21:30.45 | epsilon | arietis: default is dhcp via network manager if gnome is installed |
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| 21:32.49 | arietis | i have such config https://gist.github.com/91bbdd5afa4efd8441b3 |
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| 21:33.54 | dvs | arietis: So you need to do "ifup eth0" to activate it or put "allow-hotplug eth0" in your interfaces file |
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| 21:34.17 | nutron | does anyone know how to do what I'm asking? or what to test / try next? |
| 21:34.27 | arietis | ifup: command not found lol weird |
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| 21:34.41 | dvs | as rfoot |
| 21:34.46 | dvs | root too |
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| 21:36.57 | arietis | dvs: i'm logged as root |
| 21:37.37 | dvs | arietis: I can run ifup as root no problem |
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| 21:38.30 | joltcan | arietis: ifup is probably not in your path as a regular user, or you removed /sbin from your $PATH |
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| 21:39.30 | dvs | is the ifupdown package installed |
| 21:39.30 | arietis | joltcan: there is no ifup in /sbin directory |
| 21:39.46 | dvs | arietis: aptitude install ifupdown |
| 21:39.49 | arietis | looks like no |
| 21:39.49 | xfire78xx | sera |
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| 21:40.43 | arietis | i have it installed now, do i need to configure it somehow? |
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| 21:41.09 | joltcan | you must habe broken your system pretty badly if that is missing :) |
| 21:41.19 | dvs | agrees |
| 21:42.08 | joltcan | Well, I'm off to bed |
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| 21:42.33 | _neilx_ | ..after reboot - check filesystem arietis |
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| 21:43.01 | zophy | tornado5 is on it's way |
| 21:43.09 | epsilon | arietis: what do you have actually installed? Debian stable? |
| 21:43.28 | epsilon | never seen debian install where ifup/down was unavailable |
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| 21:44.10 | _neilx_ | epsilon: after reboot erietis have got a problem with eth |
| 21:44.35 | arietis | epsilon: i'm using sid |
| 21:44.50 | _neilx_ | ehhh.... |
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| 21:48.34 | johnny53287 | hello, i setup a ubuntu server using kvm with lots of vms running on it. i use virt-manager for administration. now i have problems with booting vms with pxe. the vms sends dhcp discovers to the network and my dhcp server answers with a dhcp offer, but nothing more, no request and no ack. when i start a kvm vm from the cli, booting with pxe works, just virt-manager makes problems. maybe someone can give me a hint? |
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| 21:52.52 | _neilx_ | thx for this day, shutdown ;) |
| 21:55.03 | Lejda | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChNW7Ey7KkM |
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| 22:12.57 | Armageddon | the terminal gets messed up on non-latin characters, any idea why would that happen ? |
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| 22:21.30 | gnarface | Armageddon: good chance wrong locale or a utf8 compatibility bug in the program you're using |
| 22:21.37 | thewanderer1 | I have a process (php5-fpm) which forks off children (php workers). I want those to be placed into cgroups, based on their UID. how would I do that, seeing how cgred only assigns processes that use PAM or are executed via lxc-execute? |
| 22:21.47 | Armageddon | gnarface, I'm using irssi |
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| 22:22.18 | gnarface | Armageddon: what does the output of "locale charmap" say? |
| 22:22.57 | Armageddon | gnarface, ANSI_X3.4-1968 |
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| 22:23.56 | gnarface | Armageddon: what debian version and platform is this? thats one i haven't seen before |
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| 22:24.06 | Armageddon | looks like all locale are disabled |
| 22:24.49 | Armageddon | 6.0.4 |
| 22:24.58 | Armageddon | debian 6.0.4 |
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| 22:25.46 | gnarface | well you probably need some |
| 22:26.08 | gnarface | i recommend en_US-utf8 |
| 22:26.09 | gnarface | or whatever |
| 22:26.12 | Armageddon | gnarface, sure, I'm asking the admin to enale those |
| 22:26.15 | Armageddon | enable* |
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| 22:26.49 | gnarface | Armageddon: keep in mind your terminal will also have to support unicode for this all to work |
| 22:26.59 | gnarface | Armageddon: most don't do it properly |
| 22:27.04 | Armageddon | it does, urxvt is called rxvt-unicode :p |
| 22:27.22 | gnarface | oh, yea that's the one i'd recommend using |
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| 22:28.00 | gnarface | only one i've actually seen do everything right outside of os X sadly |
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| 22:28.35 | Armageddon | gnarface, konsole is not bad, actually konsole can render RTL |
| 22:28.37 | gnarface | i'm guessing i must never run into this problem because i always select expert install |
| 22:29.31 | Armageddon | gnarface, as my host says, I'm not a debian user, it's just on the shell :p |
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| 22:30.45 | gnarface | ah |
| 22:30.55 | gnarface | well, there's still time to save your soul |
| 22:31.05 | Armageddon | in other words, my only option is expert |
| 22:31.12 | Armageddon | save my soul ? :P I'm loving it |
| 22:31.23 | gnarface | oh i misunderstood |
| 22:31.34 | gnarface | i thought you meant "i didn't install this machine, i'm just remoting into it" |
| 22:31.43 | Armageddon | right, that's also what I said |
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| 22:31.58 | Armageddon | gnarface, I let the admin enable a couple locales |
| 22:32.08 | Armageddon | do I need to close irssi ? |
| 22:32.11 | Armageddon | login and log back in ? |
| 22:32.19 | gnarface | not sure |
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| 22:32.25 | Armageddon | let's test |
| 22:32.26 | gnarface | likely you need to at least restart urxvt |
| 22:32.34 | gnarface | that could be sufficient |
| 22:33.01 | Armageddon | gnarface, urxvt is on my system not on the shell :p |
| 22:33.11 | gnarface | i guess in theory you could be missing glyphs if you don't have the right fonts |
| 22:33.32 | gnarface | do you have unicode enabled locally as well? |
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| 22:33.41 | Armageddon | I'll restart irssi |
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| 22:33.44 | Armageddon | gnarface, of course ;) |
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| 22:35.47 | oo_miguel | How can I minimize power usage on my notebook? |
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| 22:36.12 | oo_miguel | Is it possible to get the battery time close or even more than what I get on win7? |
| 22:36.43 | gnarface | oo_miguel: sure just turn shit off |
| 22:36.54 | abrotman | helpful ... |
| 22:37.04 | abrotman | oo_miguel: lesswatts.org may have info you will find useful |
| 22:37.17 | oo_miguel | thanx |
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| 22:39.16 | Armageddon | didn't help |
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| 22:42.40 | phorce1 | is there a way to force update-flashplugin-installer to use an existing flash-xxx.tar.gz from /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/ for installing rather than physically downloading the newest (I'm trying to downgrade from 11.2 to 11.1 since 11.2 is broken with nvidia and vdpau) |
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| 22:43.19 | jordanm | phorce1: there is a work-around for the broken |
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| 22:43.55 | jordanm | phorce1: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=0 |
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| 22:45.13 | phorce1 | jordanm: hmmm, I didn't find that one. Only found either recompiling vdpau-trace from gt or turning off hardware accel (<--- which makes 11.2 crash every 10 frames or so). |
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| 22:46.21 | jordanm | phorce1: are you having issues with blue people or sluggish problems? |
| 22:46.24 | abrotman | phorce1: wait, you want more bugs? |
| 22:46.30 | phorce1 | blue people |
| 22:46.48 | jordanm | phorce1: ah, I patched and recompiled vdpau for that one :\ |
| 22:47.03 | phorce1 | abrotman: 11.1 wasn't crashing or hanging for me |
| 22:47.27 | phorce1 | jordanm: so the nvidia setting is for sluggishness? |
| 22:47.38 | jordanm | phorce1: yes |
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| 22:47.55 | phorce1 | 11.2 is the last linux version so if it's broken, it's broken forever <sigh> |
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| 22:48.24 | gnarface | phorce1: don't hold your breath for a fix |
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| 22:48.54 | gnarface | phorce1: but they did say this about flash 7 once upon a time |
| 22:49.25 | phorce1 | OK, so back to finding a way to make the flashplugin-nonfree package use the existing 11.1 tar.gz that I have downloaded so I don't have to pick through and move the files to their proper places by hand |
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| 22:50.43 | abrotman | phorce1: it's only one file |
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| 22:52.31 | phorce1 | abrotman: only the .so needs to be replaced? The update-flashplugin-nonfree script makes it look a whole lot scarier than that. heh. |
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| 22:53.18 | abrotman | phorce1: not sure about the md5 stuff .. but replacing the .so is sufficient |
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| 22:55.05 | phorce1 | I looked at the script and it was like "twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles |
| 22:55.09 | phorce1 | and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one" |
| 22:55.45 | divbell | you can get anything you want, at alice's restaurant |
| 22:56.06 | abrotman | phorce1: did they put you on the bench with the father rapers? |
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| 23:06.38 | educr0w | I am migrating from arch to debian, I used to have tint2 and other stuff (nothing about wicd) in openbox autostart.sh file and when openbox started, wicd icon was in tray, now I have to run wicd-client or wicd-gtk to have it. I am missing something? |
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| 23:08.22 | phorce1 | hah! no more blue people |
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| 23:09.34 | rootant | hai, do any of you guys use checkinstall? what's wrong with this command: |
| 23:09.37 | rootant | checkinstall --type=debian -D --pkgname=qt-mobility --arch=i386 --pkgsource=/home/rootant/Pobrane/qt-mobility-opensource-src-1.2.0/ --pakdir=/root/ --gzman --review-control --install=no |
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| 23:11.22 | abrotman | rootant: no errors? |
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| 23:11.39 | rootant | make: *** Brak reguł do wykonania obiektu `install'. Stop. |
| 23:11.46 | rootant | \it's in polish |
| 23:11.51 | rootant | lemme get the same in english |
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| 23:12.32 | rootant | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
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| 23:12.39 | rootant | abrotman: ↑ |
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| 23:13.10 | Iridos | well... doesn't the error tell you what's wrong? |
| 23:13.15 | Iridos | nuffin to do with checkinstall |
| 23:13.45 | rootant | it worked previous time i've used it |
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| 23:14.53 | Iridos | hint, hint, a plain "make install" without all the checkinstall stuff gives you the same error |
| 23:15.09 | rootant | nope |
| 23:15.19 | Iridos | yes |
| 23:15.22 | rootant | ah, yes |
| 23:15.39 | Iridos | dammit |
| 23:15.43 | rootant | so why it didn't build the package? |
| 23:15.44 | Iridos | just wanted to bet a gazillion dollars with you |
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| 23:15.53 | rootant | what am i doing wrong |
| 23:16.02 | rootant | Iridos: sorry |
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| 23:16.33 | Iridos | you were supposed to be my pension plan! |
| 23:17.07 | Iridos | you're (or checkinstall is doing it for you) running "make install" on a makefile that doesn't have instructions for "install" |
| 23:17.08 | rootant | so how to build a package with checkinstall properly? |
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| 23:17.27 | rootant | Iridos: mhm |
| 23:17.44 | rootant | so i have to rrun configure script first |
| 23:18.01 | jelly-home | indeedy |
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| 23:18.28 | rootant | and make |
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| 23:18.42 | Iridos | or give checkinstall instructions to run whatever command you're supposed to make instead of the default "make install" |
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| 23:27.50 | codertux | hi, I'm having issues with a server hosted in a datacenter. it's running debian 6.0 and the network connection is bloody slow (~50KB/s). if I boot the same server in the rescue system (via netboot, also debian based) the same file downloads at 8MB/s. Any ideas how to troubleshoot this? reinstalling is not really an option |
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| 23:30.42 | civillian | codertux: there could be many reasons |
| 23:30.58 | civillian | codertux: what was the protocol used for the download? |
| 23:31.00 | tharkun | What does this mean "(firefox-bin:3914): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead" it appears on the screen that i launched iceweasel from |
| 23:31.08 | codertux | civillian: I bet, I just want to bounce some ideas around, maybe there's something I've missed |
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| 23:31.42 | civillian | codertux: well in multi user mode, there could be other processes using the bandwidth |
| 23:31.44 | codertux | civillian: HTTP, but iperf, scp and git over ssh are just about as slow |
| 23:32.11 | tharkun | codertux: mtr -r from both ends is allways a nice tool to have around |
| 23:32.13 | codertux | civillian: iftop confirms nothing's hogging the bandwidth |
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| 23:33.34 | codertux | tharkun: i'll give mtr a shot |
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| 23:36.56 | codertux | tharkun: home -> server http://paste.opensuse.org/55278707; server -> home http://paste.opensuse.org/26662317 not sure how to interpret it, besides no packet loss |
| 23:40.51 | codertux | any more ideas? I'm about to pull off a hail mary and nuke everything |
| 23:41.27 | civillian | meaning? |
| 23:41.48 | codertux | civillian: reinstall it |
| 23:42.05 | civillian | 09:27 < codertux> ...reinstalling is not really an option |
| 23:42.13 | civillian | I think you're possesed. |
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| 23:43.01 | civillian | codertux: sounds like a driver issue but I can't be sure |
| 23:43.12 | civillian | also check duplex etc |
| 23:43.22 | codertux | I have an identical server in the same datacenter running centos 5.4 |
| 23:43.30 | codertux | it's full duplex, checked |
| 23:43.41 | codertux | the centos server uses the same network driver |
| 23:43.42 | civillian | any collisions? |
| 23:43.52 | civillian | TCP window scaling issues? |
| 23:44.15 | codertux | civillian: ifconfig: http://paste.opensuse.org/2304215 |
| 23:44.37 | codertux | not sure what you mean by tcp window scaling issues |
| 23:45.10 | civillian | codertux: it's a networking issue that can affect throughput |
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| 23:45.39 | codertux | civillian: how can I test for it? |
| 23:45.58 | civillian | TCP window scaling is supposed to improve performance by allowing more data to flow between hosts before requiring an ACK for data already transferred |
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| 23:46.21 | civillian | codertux: you'll need a protocol analyzer like wireshark |
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| 23:47.15 | codertux | ok, I have tshark installed |
| 23:47.31 | civillian | codertux: look at the Win= part |
| 23:47.37 | civillian | that's your window, in bytes |
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| 23:49.41 | thewanderer1 | is DHCP broken in d-i of 6.0.5 netinst CD? |
| 23:50.18 | codertux | civillian: http://paste.opensuse.org/61175738 looks like it's 300-600 bytes? |
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| 23:50.45 | civillian | that seems low |
| 23:51.08 | codertux | civillian: looks like there are lots of retransmitted packets |
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| 23:51.39 | civillian | that will be why your window is shrinking |
| 23:52.27 | civillian | A healthy window should be around 65535, give or take |
| 23:52.31 | codertux | ok, seems fair... now what do I do about it? |
| 23:53.09 | civillian | hah, begin finding out why |
| 23:53.19 | civillian | talk to your DC provider |
| 23:53.35 | civillian | try a transfer to a closer host |
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| 23:53.38 | civillian | etc |
| 23:53.40 | civillian | try stuff |
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| 23:54.26 | civillian | try a host on your local subnet if possible |
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| 23:54.33 | valerie | I am in the process of Installing linux to a laptop that has windows on it. I am at the stage of installing the GRUB boot loader. The installer says it is not safe to install the GRUB boot loader to MBR if there is more than one OS. How then should I install the GRUB boot loader, since if I choose /dev/sda, it will also install it to MBR? |
| 23:55.10 | tharkun | codertux: hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzne is playing nasty |
| 23:55.28 | codertux | civillian: on the same host booting the rescue system off dhcp+nfs the speed is ok. I've already opened a ticket with them and they said they can't help me since it works there... |
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| 23:56.30 | civillian | bbiaf, smoko |
| 23:56.38 | tharkun | codertux: check also that you don't have any limiting factors on your http server. also you can set up a different one on an alternate port and check fo it |
| 23:56.47 | dvs | valerie: Really? I'd install it to the MBR and install os-prober afterwards |
| 23:58.52 | valerie | dvs, my first installation was not successful when I installed it to MBR. I could not start linux. Now if choose /dev/sda would not it be the same? |
| 23:58.55 | codertux | tharkun: most protocols I've tried suffer |
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| 23:59.18 | Samwan | hi |
| 23:59.30 | Samwan | is there any way to change every user password at one time? |
| 23:59.32 | dvs | valerie: It would be the same but I've installed GRUB to my MBR and it works for me. |
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