IRC log for #debian on 20120531

00:01.24trystengrateful*
00:01.28Bluefoxicybecause the Minix and DragonflyBSD kernels are more interesting to me than Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and OpenBSD :p
00:01.31trystenhas grateing grammar
00:01.51abrotmanBluefoxicy: what does all of this have to do with Debian ?
00:02.04nsadminBluefoxicy, ohh, you actually want to run debian under that kernel... ok, I get it now
00:02.17Bluefoxicynothing at all, I was just looking for where to start to build a base system that's actually half useful to run on this kernel.
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00:02.29Bluefoxicyanyway, I'm out
00:03.05abrotmanthat was productive ..
00:03.17dvs!next
00:03.17dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building.
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00:03.49dondelelcarotrysten: no worries; glad that you figured it out
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00:07.24Cyclohexaneanyone have any experience with oidentd?
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00:08.13nsadminCyclohexane, works better if you describe your experience and the problem(s) you're having
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00:11.50Cyclohexanensadmin: simple - it won't do its job
00:12.08nsadminok, can you give more details?
00:12.32nsadmindid you install from apt/aptitude?
00:12.33Cyclohexaneconfigure /etc/oidentd.conf user shell-user { blah } etc.. restart it
00:12.48Cyclohexanei already had it installed working with other accounts
00:12.53Cyclohexanei tried to add another account to it
00:13.03Cyclohexaneand it simply won't work over irc (for the new account)
00:13.52nsadminso irc would claim what. when it looks for identd?
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00:14.16Cyclohexaneit just uses the shell account name
00:14.36nsadminand what you want it to do is?
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00:14.44Cyclohexaneuse the sbnc account name
00:15.07nsadminwhich is in that configuration stanza for oidentd?
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00:15.38nsadminwhat's sbnc?
00:15.53Cyclohexanehttp://wiki.shroudbnc.info/en/oidentd
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00:19.44nsadminhave you used ~you/.oidentd.conf?
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00:20.39Cyclohexanemm
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00:22.10nsadminor, did you put all the config in the global? (it shouldn't matter, but it would be good to know which)
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00:23.45nsadminwhile you're thinking about that, I'm going for some errands
00:23.50cardamonAnyone know what the difference in aptitude is between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade?  man page just says that full-upgrade is just less conservative than safe-upgrade.
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00:24.42dvscardamon: safe-upgrade will only upgrade already installed packages. full-upgrade will pull in new packages if necessary.
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00:25.35cardamondvs: Ah, that's a much better explanation.
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00:25.59abrotmanor remove them
00:26.06dvsthat too
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00:31.42gnarfacewon't safe-upgrade like, not update the kernel too?
00:32.08gnarfaceor am i mistaken about that?
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00:33.48Cyclohexanewhat permissions should /home/* be?
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00:34.08gnarface0700 if you want security
00:34.56gnarfacethe default 0755 allows everyone to read each other's shit.
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00:35.27Cyclohexanei changed it and fucked up software access to config files
00:35.39Cyclohexanechmod -R 755 /home/* right?
00:36.01gnarfaceno no
00:36.04gnarfaceyou don't want recursion
00:36.10gnarfacethat will change stuff IN the home directories too
00:36.20gnarfacetake off the -R
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00:37.33gnarfacebut you do want /home itself to also be 0755 or nobody can get into their own directories
00:37.47gnarfacemake sure /home is owned by root:root and the home directories themselves are owned by their own users
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00:53.31dvsgnarface: ???
00:53.47dvsdrwxr-xr-x   4 root  root   4096 Aug 14  2010 home
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00:55.43abrotmandvs: the -R
00:56.01dvscan't read today
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01:01.19Rayman65hallo can yuo read me?
01:02.00abrotmanyes
01:02.17Rayman65my prog say no contact
01:02.31abrotmanok
01:02.51Rayman65im from german
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01:03.06sideup66hey room
01:03.16Rayman65just in time i stay
01:03.20sideup66anyone know how to allow anyone to reboot the machine in debian squeeze
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01:03.49craigevilsideup66, make sure your user is in the powerdev group
01:03.54Rayman65frankfurt
01:03.56sideup66i notice that if another account happens to be active it will ask me to enter the root pass to reboot the system, any way to disable that lock (it will be a server to its sensible to make it do that.)
01:04.20abrotmansideup66: shutdown.allow is one method
01:04.20sideup66craigevil: will that affect from the greeter screen
01:04.58sideup66abrotman: hello again, by the way the problem last night seemed to be windows 7 in a virtual machine being stupid, debian was doing just fine with 7 authentication out of the box ;)
01:05.10abrotmansideup66: oh, awesome :)
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01:06.04sideup66abrotman: yes for some reason it would not allow me to copy/paste my passwords into the field but if typed they work, its authenticated via batch scripts anyways which work fine
01:06.07sideup66so im not losing sleep :)
01:06.28abrotmani should hope ont
01:06.47sideup66abrotman: so system.allow in what? gconf?
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01:07.03kevlarmanhow long is ia32-libs going to stick around?
01:07.30abrotmansideup66: is this with gnome?
01:07.48sideup66abrotman: yes, debian build is squeeze, 6.x
01:08.05abrotmansideup66: craigevil's solution is probably smarter .. also make sure your gdmsetup allows users to do that
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01:08.26kevlarmanthe libXi in ia32-libs is apparently too old to work with the current X in testing
01:08.50sideup66abrotman: where would i check the gdmsetup at? not to be that guy with 17 questions...
01:09.02kevlarmananything 32 bit using XIQueryDevice will crash atm
01:09.31kevlarmaninstalling libxi6:i386 seems to work around the issue, but if ia32-libs is going to be around for much longer it should probably get updated
01:10.09sideup66craigevil: powerdev group is mia in my system
01:10.21sideup66i do have a plugdev however
01:11.49abrotmansideup66: gdmsetup is a program to run
01:12.20sideup66abrotman: oh ok yeah you can prob smell me reeking with linux-noob :/
01:12.48abrotmanoh, he spelled it with two Os
01:13.13sideup66umm i only have a logon screen there, nothing else, but how to configure the login
01:13.28sideup66which is auto to my account (running teamviewer out to remote it when I need to occasionally ;) )
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01:15.29abrotmanit's a program you run, from the shell
01:15.41sideup66abrotman, i know
01:15.42sideup66i did
01:16.15sideup66just get a system dialog box, stating what to do when the logon screen loads
01:16.30sideup66and i have it logging into an account automagically
01:16.33sideup66but thats all i can really set
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01:17.00sideup66apart from adding a 30 second or whatever delay for other people to log in
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01:19.12sideup66no option to change restart options...
01:19.23abrotmanare you using GDM ?
01:19.39sideup66id think so, its installed
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01:20.40abrotmankind of important
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01:21.41abrotmansideup66: are you using gdm or gdm3?
01:21.41sideup66well yeah i know, im checking somthing i know gdm3 is installed as it uses the gnome interface, if that is in bed with xorg, that can be a problem as my system uses the proprietary nvidia driver...
01:22.08sideup66gdm3
01:22.25abrotmanmaybe try it with gdm instead
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01:22.56sideup66all gdm does is a greeter?
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01:24.59abrotmanyes
01:25.10abrotmanthe gdm.conf or gdm3.conf should have that optoin
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01:25.33sideup66_sorry i got kicked off playing with the restart button :x
01:25.40sideup66_anywho so all that is is a greeter?
01:26.12abrotmanoh, we gave you the solution while you were messing with stuff
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01:26.31daliasis there any way to have apt-get update work by rsync instead of the hideously slow pdiff system?
01:26.37sideup66_what was it...
01:26.48sideup66_sorry to be demanding
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01:27.48sideup66_lol there goes my old user
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01:27.55sideup66_:p
01:28.07abrotmandalias: you can turn off pdiff completely, download full files each time ?
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01:28.43abrotmansideup66_: did you try adding your user to the plugdev group ?
01:28.53sideup66_abrotman: it didnt exist in there
01:29.06abrotmanyou said it did ?
01:29.28sideup66_no it didnt, mustve misread unless i mistyped
01:29.33daliasabrotman, i did that at one point in the past, but it was always a toss-up for which was slower
01:30.20sideup66_i found it
01:30.21sideup66_oops
01:30.23daliasdoes apt-get's http backend use keepalive?
01:30.27sideup66_:/ ugh why didnt it show before
01:30.35daliasif not, i bet that's a big part of why pdiff is so slow...
01:30.44sideup66_abrotman: yup im in there
01:31.03daliasnew connection handshake for each pdiff is more overhead time than the actual transfer
01:32.15sideup66_and the other command as stated had nowhere to set controls for such a thing
01:34.28sideup66_i think the setting can actually be changed in consolekit
01:34.33sideup66_not sure where to start there however
01:34.46abrotmansideup66_: got it ?
01:35.04sideup66_why does linux insist on a atrocity like the windows registry :( im fixing someones box where they trashed that
01:35.26sideup66_abrotman: nope no command in there to do that, but when shutdown it pressed it lists a console kit policy that i think i can modify
01:35.29sideup66_just not sure how
01:36.36abrotmanthis sounds way too complicated
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01:37.13sideup66_it makes it sound like a simple boolean switch however
01:37.22daliassideup66_, don't blame linux. blame freedesktop.org
01:37.29daliasthey're the idiots imposing all this crap on everybody
01:37.53nsadmin-what did they do?
01:37.59abrotmandalias: you dn't hve to use X
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01:38.11daliasabrotman, exactly. that's why i said don't blame linux...
01:38.11sideup66_....the registry was just a stupid idea, guy im workin for killed his system once the idea of a registry "cleaner" got into his head
01:38.28sideup66_ah blamed the wrong guys
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01:39.22daliasthe idea of a registry appeals to you if you want to write unified tools that can piddle around with the settings for all sorts of things in a programmatic manner
01:39.38daliasthis is why desktop environment integration type people love it
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01:39.55daliasit makes their job (configuration/integration of look and feel, etc.) easier
01:40.05sideup66_ah so it does have its points
01:40.06daliasat the cost of making hell for everyone else
01:40.48daliasi can't stand it
01:41.04abrotmananyway .. back to Debian
01:41.19daliasevery time i upgrade, i have to worry about if my bluetooth network device is going to disappear and if/when it will come back...
01:41.32daliasand i've NEVER figured out where the configuration is actually stored...
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01:41.55n-iCeany idea? /lib/modules/3.2.0-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory.
01:41.58n-iCewhat is that folder
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01:42.19sideup66_abrotman: so how could i set in general the login greeter to have permission to reboot the stupid thing
01:42.31daliasi think it's supposed to be a link to the kernel source, if you have it installed...
01:42.36daliasbut i may be mistaken
01:42.41abrotmansideup66_: really, gdmsetup should do this!
01:43.28abrotmansideup66_: how did you install gnome ?
01:43.53sideup66_abrotman: from the debian install cd when installing I selected install graphical desktop environment
01:44.05sideup66_so it autoloaded at installtime, and im wondering now if gdm is missing somthing
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01:44.20abrotmansideup66_: aptitude install gnome xorg
01:44.21dudleyIs madwifi still in the testing repo?
01:44.24abrotmanmake sure it's all installed
01:44.27dudleyI'm reading here, that it's not.
01:44.32nvzwell if you had only cd1, then you didnt get all of gnome, thats for sure
01:44.34abrotmandudley: so you'd use ath5k ?
01:44.56dudleyIf Ath5k works for my card. WG311T
01:45.25nvzcd1 "desktop install" weighs in around 1.6gb where as doing apt-get install gnome via internet weighs in at like 2.8gb
01:45.35sideup66_i did take some nonessential stuff out of gnome
01:45.43sideup66_i do see gnome core listed
01:45.45sideup66_ll load that
01:45.50sideup66_others are just toplevel applications
01:45.52abrotmandudley: yes, it hsould
01:46.35abrotmansideup66_: no really, aptitude install gnome xorg
01:47.10sideup66_fine its going... :P
01:49.12sideup66_ok is loaded, run that command again?
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01:49.28abrotmanrestart your gdm, relogin
01:49.41sideup66_ok ill brb
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01:52.51sideup66ok rebooted to reload ( i know theirs a command, just rebooted anyways) same thing in that window, yes its gdm 3
01:53.34sideup66if i go to about gnome from system it states its version 2.30.2
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01:53.55MilosSo I typed apt-get install lighttpd and it installs apache, why?
01:55.05abrotmansideup66: no better at all?
01:55.31sideup66abrotman: nope
01:55.41sideup66what should my dialog show if its correct?
01:55.41abrotmansideup66: grep "dev" /etc/groups
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01:56.25sideup66no such file...
01:56.29nvzMilos: it should not have, perhaps you seen it install apache2-utils
01:56.39abrotmansideup66: /etc/group
01:57.19Milosnvz, http://dpaste.com/753619/
01:57.22Milosnvz, is it because of php5?
01:58.09sideup66plugdev:x:46:serveradmin,apps,laptopdad,laptopmom,natalie,vincent netdev:x:106:serveradmin
01:58.24sideup66thats what i get and serveradmin is the autologin (all other users are samba)
01:58.49nvzMilos: yes, php5 is a metapackage that pulls in libapache2-mod-php which pulls in apache2
01:59.00Miloswell how do I install it for lighttpd only?
01:59.23abrotmansideup66: which one are you in "plugdev" ?
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02:00.08sideup66serveradmin
02:00.15abrotmansure .. why not :)
02:00.42nvzMilos: php5-cgi package which is one of many dependencies of the php5 metapackage
02:00.59Milosah, I seeee! thank you
02:01.11abrotmansideup66: try installing gdm instead of gdm3
02:01.28sideup66ok does that affect gfx drivers by any chance
02:01.34nvzMilos: no problem.. I don't know squat about php, this was easily figured out using packages.debian.org
02:01.37abrotmansideup66: make sure that gnome-power-manager is running
02:01.40sideup66reason im asking is because this machines drivers gave me hell for no reason
02:01.50abrotmansideup66: or even installed
02:01.55Milosnvz, ahh right, thanks, I will definitely use that more, sorry for the simple question
02:02.55nvzMilos: not a problem, but googling "lighttpd php5 debian squeeze" also answered it.. I dont mind easy questions.. allows me to walk off and not feel like I left someone hanging when I can solve em quick
02:03.07MilosAw :)
02:03.21sideup66abrotman: hanks for help so far, service is alive and well
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02:04.02abrotmansideup66: it is running and set to start when you login?
02:04.46nvzMilos: you just get those philosophers in here who talk about teaching a man to fish and all that.. so I figured since the problem was easy I'd tell you how I solved it too. .heh
02:05.09MilosThank you I appreciate it!
02:05.14sideup66abrotman: that it is as well
02:05.30sideup66abrotman: i also note this is gonna take gnome off, umm i need gnome..
02:06.14sideup66ok im switching the default to gdm instead of gdm3
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02:06.19sideup66ill find out what happens...
02:06.26sideup66be right back, lemme restart the services again
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02:12.33sideup66ok back
02:12.41sideup66and wow the options are totally different
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02:13.37sideup66let me test the button
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02:16.49debmacWould it be hard to install Debian as the only OS on a MacBook Pro?
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02:17.33sideup66_woo! that worked as default :D
02:18.00abrotmanblames gdm3
02:18.11sideup66_now to set the autologin in there thanks abrotman
02:18.41abrotmaneh?
02:18.45abrotmanwhy would you want that?
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02:19.18debmacAnyone?
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02:20.23sideup66_what would perfect this is to have a reboot/shutdown button in my lock screen so there is no jumping back and forth :D
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02:22.01craigevilso add a button
02:22.21snuff-workis there a way to mount nfs shares from the debian cd when in 'rescue mode' ?
02:22.27gnarfacedebmac: typically no, although you'll run into less problems if its not a ppc mac
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02:22.53debmacgnarface: It's not.
02:23.11sideup66_to the lock screen?
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02:24.40abrotmangnarface: macbook is x86, powerbook is ppc
02:25.45gnarfacedebmac: the problems you're likely to run into are the same problems with any laptop then really; you'll want to know more about the specific make&model of your internal hardware, especially the ethernet/wifi cards and video card, as these may require manual configuration after installation to work optimally and the documentation to do so is typically device specific, not machine specific
02:25.57gnarfaceoh well
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02:26.56sideup66_oh well they click switch user
02:27.00sideup66_then go to session>rebot
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02:27.31sideup66_im sorry action>restart
02:27.38sideup66_i used basic, looks normal with the weird resolutions i get
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02:28.50sideup66_thanks again abrotman and for putting up with my noobness
02:29.00sideup66_i want to test the autologin, ill be right back
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02:36.06ragnar76hi all
02:36.16abrotmanPiggy: wb!
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02:38.09ragnar76i'm about to configure a dhcpd. is there any option to bind dhcpd to eth0 only?
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02:39.15nsadminyes, in fact you have to write subnet stanzas that cover each subnet (which might each be bound to a different subnet)
02:39.32nsadmindo you have a gateway?
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02:40.00ragnar76nsadmin: yes, i have at eth2
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02:40.30sideup66ok well it seems to work, thanks guys:)
02:40.36nsadminerr different q: is the box with the different interfaces your gw?
02:40.50sideup66also from the job im doing a word to the wise to people totell clients in comp industry or note for yourself
02:40.59nsadminlet me get you started while you consider these
02:41.18sideup66if you dont understand somthing, if its over your head, you dont get it, ask. learn..find out what needs to be done before you mess with it
02:41.21abrotmansideup66: congrats :)
02:41.34ragnar76nsadmin: yes it is
02:42.00sideup66abrotman: thanks! my server is basically done now
02:42.16nsadminok, and which dhcp server did you want? dhcp3?
02:42.17abrotmanragnar76: yes, the dhcpd conf file has a method to have it only listen on one interface
02:42.34abrotmansideup66: except it runs gnome? with autologin? :)
02:43.03ragnar76nsadmin: even here, yes. the only one i've found in the repos
02:43.29ragnar76abrotman: it looks like it is documented very well then ;)
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02:43.39abrotmanragnar76: is that sarcasm?
02:43.42nsadminok, you should install it, and then start reading man 5 dhcpd.conf
02:43.50ragnar76abrotman: bazinga
02:43.54sideup66abrotman: yeah, i know its lame but im still beginner limping a bit, i know a good one uses the shell
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02:44.48sideup66abrotman: autologin is used for a remote desktop app, the screensaver lock will be set to about 1 min
02:45.24nsadminragnar76, the first example (in figure 1) has only subnet stanzas, not interface...
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02:46.21abrotmanragnar76: though i should perhaps ask .. are all the network devices plugged into the same switch as the dhcp clients?
02:47.04sideup66abrotman: its also a home network
02:47.11abrotmanhome? network?
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02:47.37abrotmanragnar76: if you look at the /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server (i think that's the file), you may see an option for DHCPD args ?
02:47.42ragnar76abrotman: no. the box i have to configure get it's ip from another dhcpd. it should act as a gw between 2 networks
02:48.29abrotmangotcha
02:48.31ragnar76abrotman: that the point i was looking for
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02:48.41abrotmanragnar76: was that the correct file?
02:48.50ragnar76abrotman: yes it is
02:48.54abrotmanragnar76: good luck!
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02:49.05abrotmanragnar76: i think the man page for the actual dhcpd covers that, not the dhcpd.conf
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02:49.52abrotmanragnar76: http://linux.die.net/man/8/dhcpd
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02:50.26abrotmanugh
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02:51.00sideup66what happen?
02:51.03abrotmanseriously ...
02:51.10ragnar76abrotman: my thought was, similar to apache, it is in the config file
02:51.26abrotmanragnar76: different config file?! :)
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02:52.47ragnar76abrotman: yes, i liked the giant config files. not the splitted one these days
02:53.14sideup66did the server just fart 5 mins ago?
02:53.16abrotmanragnar76: well, that file is really daemon options .. not a true config file
02:53.27abrotmansideup66: no, i'm trying to keep JNSamuel from cycling
02:53.32abrotmani think he's done though
02:53.35JNSamuel?
02:53.39ragnar76however, see how it works
02:53.41JNSamuel...
02:53.48abrotmanJNSamuel: you just quit and joined about 10 times
02:53.51JNSamuelhow can you keep me from cycling?
02:53.55sideup66abrotman:oh
02:53.56abrotmanby banning you ?
02:54.01JNSamuelthat is not my fault.
02:54.02sideup66:/
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02:54.07abrotmanJNSamuel: yes, it is, it's your client doing it
02:54.17JNSamuelcorrection, that is my connection
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02:54.45sideup66ooo abrotman has root :D....
02:54.46nsadminragnar76, still looking for an interface spec for dhcpd.conf, haven't found it yet, and the man page is pretty long. if it's not present, you can use the subnet that's on the interface to identify it
02:54.59abrotmannsadmin: it's already solved ..
02:55.06craigevilis it better to use "stable" or the release name when running stable
02:55.14abrotmancraigevil: release name
02:55.33abrotmancraigevil: using "stable" can lead to "surprise" upgrades when the next version is released
02:55.36nsadminthen I want to know the solution he picked
02:55.43abrotmanhe did'nt "pick"
02:55.48ragnar76nsadmin: it's solved. the option i wass looking for was hidden in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server
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02:56.18nsadminragnar76, oh ok, did you have to change it?
02:56.28sideup66for whatever reason gnome doesnt like having my teamviewer install in there :/ yet gdebi loaded it
02:56.30ragnar76yes, to eth0
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02:56.46nsadminoh, it's the only setting in that file
02:56.49sideup66no problem re adding it
02:56.56sideup66just stupid stuff
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02:58.08sideup66i had more of an opinionated ? anyway, i was thinking with my home server its probably better just to let it run all the time (not sleep or anything) but wont it also wear out the hd faster?
02:58.18sideup66while its running like that its totally idle
02:58.29nsadminragnar76, thanks for letting me know... now, what does /etc/init.d/dhcp do with it...
02:59.01sideup66would it be wiser to figure why this thing doesnt sleep and make it sleep when idle?
02:59.08ragnar76nsadmin: looks like it's a command option at startup
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02:59.30abrotmansideup66: it's a server?
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02:59.47craigevilabrotman, you wouldnt by chance know of a doc that explains why you should use the release name?
02:59.52sideup66abrotman: home server, hosts samba, upnp right now, might add to it later
02:59.57abrotmancraigevil: i just told you!
03:00.08abrotmancraigevil: really, surprise upgrades are awful
03:00.27sideup66abrotman: i may add more stuff when im not in school and have time to play with it
03:00.28craigevillol i know why , trying to put together a forum post explaining it to someone
03:01.08abrotmancraigevil: explain what would happen if wheezy were to release, and they were pointing at stable .. things begin to get half upgraded to wheezy, the system is now in some limbo state, half oldstable/stable ..
03:01.29abrotmancraigevil: things may become unpredictable as those pieces are upgraded haphazardly
03:01.39g0dfreyJurkki: versions iceweasel
03:01.42craigevilnice
03:01.49g0dfreyJudd: versions iceweasel
03:01.50juddPackage: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.4esr-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; sid: 10.0.4esr-3; experimental: 12.0-7
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03:02.03abrotmancraigevil: and if your normal method is to run dist-upgrade/full-upgrade, that upgrade will happen in full without reading release notes .. who knows the results
03:02.10abrotmang0dfrey: /msg judd foo
03:02.14sideup66abrotman: my system i dont think will sleep anyway as its running on mediatomb for upnp
03:02.56abrotmancraigevil: make sense?
03:02.59g0dfreyabrotman: what's judd?
03:03.06abrotmang0dfrey: the bot you just talked to?!
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03:03.17abrotmang0dfrey: /msg dpkg versions iceweasel
03:03.19g0dfreyabrotman: what can it do?
03:03.21sideup66*abrotman beats sideup66 to it
03:03.35abrotmangives up
03:03.40sideup66echo *abrotman beats sideup66 to it*
03:03.47sideup66ugh how do you do that
03:03.55abrotmansideup66: /me foo
03:04.04craigevilyes thanks
03:04.15sideup66foo bangs head against wall
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03:04.20abrotmansideup66: not sure which IRC client you're using .. but most work with that
03:04.27abrotmansideup66: yes, like that
03:04.29sideup66abrotman: that worked
03:04.40sideup66abrotman: so its probably better to let this thing run
03:05.01abrotmansideup66: depends .. you can also have power settings power down the drives,etc when not in use .. enter a lower CPU usage state
03:05.47sideup66abrotman: i see, main thing was my old build (windoze) had a drive fail prematurely but i had an activity that was pretty I/O intense
03:05.54sideup66that i think did it in
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03:06.43sideup66abrotman: i do have that set
03:07.12sideup66abrotman: i think the system has trouble as i said before because of upnp, my uncle has a mybook appliance plauged by the same thing, wont sleep with upnp on
03:07.22sideup66its underpinning is slackware i believe
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03:07.25abrotmanoh
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03:07.31asarchWhere is busybox on testing?
03:07.56Jaggz-anyone here familiar with routers and network security/attacks?  someone's been attacking my server for a few days and I'm wondering if they might have corrupted our router
03:08.03Jaggz-in terms of network security
03:08.09Jaggz-or our switch
03:08.30sideup66jaggz: have they gotten in
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03:08.44nsadminasarch pretty sure busybox is just used in the installer
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03:09.17asarchI wonder why the installer can't find it
03:09.19ragnar76hm, somethings wrong "No subnet declaration for eth0 (no IPv4 addresses)."
03:09.23abrotmannsadmin: no it's not
03:09.34abrotmanasarch: you're using the testing installer, currently busted
03:09.41abrotmanasarch: use the stable installer, upgrade to testing
03:09.56asarchOh
03:11.01sideup66config is done! :D
03:11.03nsadmin, v busybox
03:11.04juddPackage: busybox on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.10.2-2; squeeze: 1:1.17.1-8; sid: 1:1.19.3-7; wheezy: 1:1.19.3-7; experimental: 1:1.20.0-2
03:11.13abrotmanonly in the installer eh ...
03:11.30nsadmin, rdepends busybox
03:11.37g0dfrey,v iceweasel
03:11.38juddPackage: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.4esr-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; sid: 10.0.4esr-3; experimental: 12.0-7
03:11.45abrotmang0dfrey: msg the bot
03:11.53abrotmannsadmin: you could do that too ..
03:11.54g0dfreyabrotman: OK
03:11.59abrotmang0dfrey: thank you
03:12.32sideup66people use iceweasel?
03:12.47abrotmansure, why not?
03:12.51sideup66i just got done with it because it just seemed so crippled that i just loaded firefox
03:13.04abrotmansideup66: you should have probably checked mozilla.debian.net first
03:13.06sideup66i think i went for plugins and it was seen as ancient firefox
03:13.07stewits the same as firefox
03:13.12stewbesides artwork
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03:13.26sideup66i know it is firefox essentially, just an old version
03:13.31abrotmansideup66: you should have probably checked mozilla.debian.net first
03:13.46sideup66i found a project that adds a synaptic repo essentially giving me ubuntu's firefox
03:13.50stewold versions of iceweaswel are old versions of firefox.  new versions of iceweasel are new versions of firefox
03:13.53g0dfreysideup66: old in squeeze only
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03:14.10sideup66g0dfrey: so wheezy has the latest one then
03:14.12stewsideup66: you should not install packages compiled for ubuntu onto debian
03:14.17abrotmansideup66: you should have probably checked mozilla.debian.net first
03:14.27sideup66abrotman: why
03:14.33abrotmansideup66: check it and see ..
03:14.35g0dfreysideup66: esr one
03:14.37sideup66and stew why not?
03:14.55abrotmansideup66: ubuntu and Debian are not hte same distro, packages meant for one rarely work on the other
03:15.06abrotmanor work well
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03:15.30nsadminunless the libs are the same, which is often not the case
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03:15.48sideup66i see, i did cheat on a few packages and so far got away with it, what I did was essentially find the debian equivalencies for the ubuntu dependenancies and things went smoothly
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03:16.02abrotmanfor now ...
03:16.04stewsideup66: because the ubuntu maintainer could very well be making assumptions that are not valid for your debian install.  upgrading packages in the future may have problems as debian mainatiners are not expecting their upgrade scripts to be run when upgrading from a ubuntu package
03:16.30sideup66all the repo I added is is a repo that takes stock firefox and packages it up in deb
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03:16.46abrotmanfor ubuntu, not debian ..
03:16.52nsadminsideup66, you may have to choose one or the other... meanwhile, keep your system backed, and your data (separately) backed up until you do decide
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03:17.12stewwhen the debian maintainer (who is also an upstream firefox contributor) is preparing packages specifically for your debian install, this is bound to be a better alternative
03:17.47nsadminthe other fragment of that, is it's going to be really hard to help you in the case nondebian packages are differently influencing your system
03:17.49sideup66i know, one of the apps i stole from ubuntu is slated to go into wheezy
03:17.53sideup66so it had support libraries
03:17.57sideup66as they are porting it
03:18.00abrotmanoh jeez
03:18.41sideup66so i figured it would be a smooth switch and the firefox well is stock firefox ported over
03:19.45sideup66if i get a doomsday mess, restore backup then remove the ubuntu packages
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03:19.47sideup66which are only 2
03:20.01dvsand it's dependencies
03:20.06sideup66to boot the system will be imaged
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03:20.15sideup66dvs: the dependancies are debian dependancies
03:20.17sideup66for debian
03:20.20sideup66not ubuntu
03:20.31sideup66because the one tool im using is being ported in officially
03:21.14sideup66its the samba config and firefox
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03:21.24sideup66im also hoping the peerblock guys push out a linux version
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03:21.34g0dfreysideup66: so why do you use debian but not ubuntu?
03:22.03sideup66g0dfrey: had mdadm problems with ubuntu, its a home server and didnt like when the system had a rude reboot/shutdown
03:22.04krisfremenwhy do you have lungs and not gills?
03:22.14nsadminso at least you're safe
03:22.34sideup66g0dfrey: it would always halt restart and not autostart a repair in mdadm under ubuntu
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03:22.58g0dfreysideup66: I see...
03:23.06sideup66so i made this a last minute change as ubuntu and debian are essentially the same
03:23.28sideup66and ubuntu can fill in the blanks where debian fell short, however that was few and far inbetween
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03:23.51sideup66because ubuntu likes shoving new crap on you soon as its out and rapidfiring releases and debian will take its time gettting stable first by what i read
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03:25.16g0dfreysideup66: How about Debian testing?
03:25.18sideup66id rather have slightly older, but more stable software :)
03:25.48sideup66g0dfrey: it sounded nice but being a home server id rather wait til testing is considered stable before transitioning
03:25.49g0dfreysideup66: Or squeeze-backports repos?
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03:26.34sideup66godfrey: again afraid of the newer stuff as this older stuff in squeeze i know is stable (things like gnome honestly look like old 8.04 ubuntu which wasnt half bad)
03:26.52sideup66and is still supported in squeeze
03:27.06sideup66the ubuntu guys are ready to ditch that version
03:27.18sideup66and 12.x didnt come out too long ago
03:27.28sideup66so id rather have somthing older thats stable then new and all over the place
03:27.39dvsexcept for firefox
03:27.52sideup66dvs: firefox rarely if ever gives me a headache
03:27.56stewdvs: yes. some server software needs to be current
03:28.01sideup66very little changes version to version at this point
03:28.22dvssideup66: iceweasel 12 wasn't good enough?
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03:28.34sideup66dvs: i dont think i had 12 honestly....
03:28.44sideup66and debian installed its files from the web repo, NOT cd
03:28.45dvssideup66: oh yes they do
03:28.58sideup66dvs: what does
03:29.13dvssideup66: http://mozilla.debian.net/
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03:29.51sideup66i know of this and realize they make a special version
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03:31.41sideup66does anyone know wheesey's eta?
03:31.49dvs!wwwr
03:31.49dpkgI don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help.  Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses.  The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012.  See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html
03:31.49sideup66or how its coming along in development
03:32.04stewsideup66: its not possible to estimate
03:32.21g0dfreyI'm wondering which one is more stable,ubuntu stable or Debian testing?Any ideas?
03:32.22sideup66oh i see, i was jsut curious as to its status, im not looking for a set date
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03:32.34sideup66debian testing.
03:32.37sideup66gotta be
03:32.49sideup66never used it but ubuntu pushes a relase every 6 mos
03:32.58sideup66debian as shown just now when i asked is out when ready
03:33.07stewsideup66: check the status of the release goals: http://release.debian.org/wheezy/goals.txt and the number of release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical
03:33.07sideup66not when someone says to pump a new build out
03:33.50g0dfreysideup66: If you use testing repos,you always get a new release
03:34.07stewsideup66: the freeze is still planned for june
03:34.30sideup66g0dfrey: so if you have testing even in squeeze your running wheezey essentially?
03:34.37sideup66stew: what freeze
03:34.41sideup66in ubuntu?
03:34.45stewsideup66: the freeze for wheezy
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03:35.12nsadminstew, do you know what they're working on last-minuteish?
03:35.30sideup66stew: so they have a upgrade planned for june?
03:35.31stewnsadmin: wh9o?
03:35.49g0dfreystew: the alpha one is build this month and how long it may take to release the final wheezy after its freeze?
03:36.00stewsideup66: no, the wheezy freeze is planned for june, which is when package transitions from unstable to testing stop being automatic and require hinting from the release managers
03:36.12sideup66oh i see
03:36.24nsadminrelease team
03:36.26stewg0dfrey: there is no such thing as an alpha for a debian release,  you are confusing this with the alpha release of the installer
03:36.42g0dfreystew: I see,3q
03:36.54Vasisthasideup66: prior to the freeze there are announcements going out to the developers saying "get your packages in if you want them in wheezy, because after the freeze it won't be very easy to get them in"
03:37.00stewg0dfrey: the time from freeze to release will be measured in months, it could be 3 months, it could be 20
03:37.04g0dfreystew: 3q = thankyou
03:37.06sideup66i see
03:37.08Vasisthausually it's like 6
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03:37.14Tordekhi
03:37.24sideup66so they do that to stop the inflow of packages, stabilize the build, then launch the sucker
03:37.46stewit depends on when the release goals are either met or punted, when the transitions are done and when the RC bug count is (essentially) zero, and we can get all the right people free for a weekend
03:37.58Tordekis it possible to boot without an initramfs? I'm on testing+unstable+sid
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03:38.19sideup66hmm ok
03:38.41stewthe inflow of packages doesn't stop per-se, as the only way to fix bugs is to get new packages, it just becomes manual instead of being "whenever britney thinks its ready"
03:38.51nsadminTordek, you will likely have to rebuild the kernel, but sure, it is possible
03:39.30stewnot likely but definately have to rebuild the kernel
03:39.39sideup66i see
03:39.55sideup66because packages get bug fixes
03:39.59sideup66so the inflow actually helps
03:40.04Tordekhmm, I was afraid of that
03:40.14Tordekis everything set to modules on the stock kernel?
03:40.34stewTordek: no
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03:40.43nsadminwhat stew is imolying, is there are -no- device drivers that are in the kernel (instead they are modules)... similar for filesystem modules, raid, lvm, sound
03:40.44stewTordek: but lots of things are
03:41.08Tordekby "everything" I meant "most things I'd need" ;P
03:41.13nsadminthe purpose of the initrd is to make available anything needed to mount /
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03:41.22stewnsadmin: i'm not only not implying that, i'm directly stating the opposite
03:41.40nsadminso, if you have all that in the kernel, you won't need an initrd
03:42.18nsadminstew, let's see, so the opposite would be that all that stuff is in the kernel?
03:42.35stewnsadmin: no, that's also false
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03:43.28dsptI'm trying to do a net install of Testing on my netbook, but I run into the problem of "The missing firmware files are: rt2860.bin, rtl_nic/rtl81683-2.fw"  I downloaded the firmware-ralink-0.35.deb but I cannot get the installer the find the .deb
03:43.34nsadminso, the minimal that could be considered the opposite, is at least one of those are compiled in
03:43.48dsptAnyone have advice on how I can get the installer to find the files it needs?
03:44.15dvsdspt: are you installing from a USB drive?
03:44.27sideup66is about to move alllooooot of data
03:44.37nsadmindspt, you could install without configuring networking, then install firmware after you reboot
03:44.54nsadminat that point you'll have a base-only install
03:45.11dsptdvs nsadmin Installing from usb, so I could just install the base then try installing the .deb after the system is up?
03:45.35dvsdspt:  yeah, that'll work.
03:45.49dsptOkay, I'll give that a try.  Thanks!
03:45.53sideup66anyone ever see a 30 meg linux appliane :D
03:45.56sideup66appliance
03:46.13dsptIs it looking for the .bin and .fw files and they are in the .deb so it can't find them?
03:46.20nsadminyou'll have just enough to fix core problems (like running file-system-check (fsck)) and install more packages
03:46.57dsptYah, I guess as long as dpkg is installed it should be fine.
03:47.53nsadminone thing you can try, is (before booting the usb installer) mount the usb, get the firmware tarball and untar it in the / of the usb
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03:48.53nsadminthat may depend on how you prepared the usb, mostly around whether there is enough space in the filesystem to untar the firmware tarball
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03:49.12Vasisthansadmin: I'm pretty sure what stew was saying is that there are some device drivers in the kernel (the opposite of "there are no device drivers") but not very many- most are modules
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03:50.26sideup66well thanks again for the help guys
03:50.33sideup66im off as this thing is now just copying files over
03:50.45sideup66ill probably be around again come upgrade time if i hit a snag
03:50.47nsadminVasistha, oh, ok... still, the principle applies: there is very likely not the device drivers in the kernel for his / filesystem or the disk controller
03:50.57sideup66and yes the system will be backed up when i go live, itll be imaged ;)
03:51.43Vasisthansadmin: hmm I don't know for sure but the answer may be "definitely not" ... I just don't know!
03:52.14ttyS1hello I'm trying to watch a movie but when I try to play the dvd Totem says. An error occurred could not read from resource
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03:53.19craigevildspt, is the flash drive that has the .deb on it partitioned?
03:53.53dsptI just dropped the .deb on the root directory.  It's just a standard FAT32 8gb drive
03:54.09nsadminVasistha, looking outside, I don't think there exists a reasonable default set
03:54.37nsadmindspt, there should be a .tar.gz of the firmware
03:54.52stewdspt: if you have a .deb, that is certainly easier than a .tar.gz
03:55.29stew(and a .deb would contain a .tar.gz)
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03:55.38craigevilmight try a smaller flash drive, i keep a tiny 256mb drive around for just this purpose, never had any issues
03:55.42Rusty1will the dependencies be included?
03:55.45nsadminbut maybe not rooted in the same place
03:56.51dsptI'm waiting on the install to finish them I'll just try to install the .deb
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03:57.22stewdspt: note that there are also unofficial netinsta images which include the firmware
03:57.26nsadmindspt, in any case once you install debian and reboot, you can find that .deb by mounting the usb drive again, and then installing it
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03:58.25dsptstew: Oh cool! Should I just google the firmware package I need + debian netinst?
03:58.38dsptnsadmin: The base install should have FAT32 support right?
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03:58.56stewdspt: this will have lots of info, and a link to the non-free installers: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
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03:59.50stewdspt: the kernel will be able to mount FAT32.  you won't have the dosfstools packages for things like mkfs.vfat
04:00.09dsptThanks a bunch!
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04:22.01fuzaihow do i tell apt to forget that repo?
04:22.09fuzaiother then sources.list
04:23.11fuzainm i got it now, i forgot to purge something
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04:26.06dpetrekhihos
04:26.36gnarfacedudley: what do you mean by "AMD proprietary" ?
04:26.47dpetrekwhy wont "mail" shell command send out any emails? how to troubleshoot this? i'm trying this: mail -s "Daily backup of $COMPUTER `date +'%F'`" "$email" < $tmpdir/maildata
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04:30.12nsadmindpetrek, generally mail is sent from a mail client to a mail transport agent, which could be running on the same machine as the client
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04:30.39nsadminif the client you're using (mail) is not reaching any MTA, there won't be any sending
04:31.32dpetrekso mail command is using local MTA
04:31.48dpetrekis there a way to debug this?
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04:32.21nsadminprobably the first thing, is watch the MTA log while you try to send
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04:33.24nsadminif the MTA doesn't do anything, then backtrack and look at the config of mail (this should all be set up for you; if you got mail and the MTA you're using from debian packages, you should be set
04:35.46nsadminif the MTA does do something, then look at the messages you see in the logs. especially pay attention to the timestamps, you may have to look at more than one mail log to see more details of what happened
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04:37.44dpetreknsadmin: mail.log does not show anything...dont understand
04:38.05nsadminok, try again using the mail.err
04:38.14nsadminwhat mail server are you using?
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04:38.48dpetrekpostfix
04:39.05nsadminok, is there a /var/log/postfix?
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04:40.18nsadminif so, try cd /var/log/postfix and see what's in there
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04:40.27dpetreknsadmin: no there isnt. i have mail.err, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn
04:40.48dpetreknsadmin: tried searching through all mail logs for email address i am sending out too, nothing there
04:41.07nsadmindpetrek. ok. ls --sort=time -l mail.*
04:41.12nsadminwhich one is latest?
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04:42.11dpetrekmail.info
04:42.16nsadminok, what date?
04:42.26dpetrektoday, minute ago
04:42.41nsadminahh :) you have found the latest log entry
04:42.49nsadmintake a look at the bottom of that file
04:42.51dpetrekyup but not the one from "mail"
04:42.53nsadminyou can tail
04:43.16nsadminbtw do you know about tail (and -f)?
04:43.28dpetrekyes
04:43.38nsadmincool :)
04:43.45dpetrekok i'll tail mail.logs and observe what happens when i start mail again
04:44.11nsadminone sec, first, we see there is a recent log... how recent are the other three?
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04:44.37nsadminwhich ones are (say) more than a day old? any?
04:44.52dpetrekhttp://pastebin.com/Dzh6JcqW
04:45.30nsadminso mail.err is from a coupla days ago
04:45.59nsadmindo you have nopaste installed?
04:47.50dpetrekno i dont have nopaste
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04:48.38nsadminok, could you: aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl
04:48.52nsadminyou might see a lot of -perl packages... they're all tiny
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04:50.22mjtis there a way to install gnome (wheezy) without networkmanager?
04:50.38dpetreknsadmin: done
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04:50.48mjtNM chokes on linux bridge and nothing network-related works once it is installed.
04:51.02Big_Brotherhow do I make sure the console is the correct resolution.
04:51.42stewmjt: its easier to leave it installed and disable it
04:51.49nsadmindpetrek, cool :) then, tail mail.info | nopaste
04:52.21nsadminBig_Brother, do you like the resolution?
04:52.23mjtstew: that's interesting idea, thanks!  Let me try...
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04:52.58nsadminmjt, it may be that "gnome" (maybe indirectly) depends on nm
04:53.06mjtyes it is
04:53.07stewits is certainly the case
04:53.13dpetrekroot@arthas:/var/log# tail mail.info | nopaste
04:53.15dpetrek<PROTECTED>
04:53.15dpetrekApp::Nopaste::Service::Pastie: Could not construct paste link. at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste.pm line 44.
04:53.15dpetrekApp::Nopaste::Service::ssh: No NOPASTE_SSH_SERVER set at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste.pm line 44.
04:53.15dpetrekhttp://gist.github.com/2841142
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04:53.43nsadmindpetrek, ahh, just the last thing, the http:// thing... I got it
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04:54.07Big_Brothernsadmin: it seems fuzzy right now. I think the correct resolution is 1024x768.
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04:55.00nsadmindpetrek, ahh, just the last thing, the http:// thing... I got it
04:55.12nsadminwere you trying to send to your gmail email?
04:55.39dpetrekyes
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04:56.32nsadminok, check your gmail... it said: sent
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04:56.42nsadminremember to check the spam folder
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04:59.30dpetreknsadmin: looks good. do you know how to change this address mail is comming from?
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05:00.04nsadmindpetrek, to the right or the left of the @?
05:00.17dpetrekboth
05:01.18nsadminto change the left side to (say) dpetrek, make a user called dpetrek and use mail from that user (one way, not the only way)
05:02.11nsadminto change the right side is fairly involved... the most accepted way is buy a domain name
05:02.40nsadminways other than that most likely involve spoofing the address
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05:03.08dpetreki would put @ipc.hr
05:03.23nsadmindo you own that name?
05:03.27dpetrekyup
05:03.40nsadminok, let me check it out for a moment...
05:03.53dpetreknow its full name: arthas.ipc.hr, i would put ipc.hr only
05:04.22Big_Brotherhow do I lock a process' ID? this synergyc program keeps changing ID everytime I try and kill it.
05:04.49daliasit's not "changing pid"
05:04.53daliassomething is restarting it
05:05.46Big_Brotherdalias: except, when I go to kill it with the process ID, it says there's no such process.
05:05.55nsadmindpetrek, first off, the authoritative servers (over ipc.hr) are working
05:06.05daliashm, well it could be rapidly forking to get a new pid...
05:06.13daliasis it malware?
05:06.54Big_Brotherno.
05:07.02Big_Brotherit's a software
05:07.06Big_BrotherKVM-type.
05:07.10nsadmindalias, one (legit) way it could be restarting like this, is the process exits fraction of second after starting
05:07.52daliasnsadmin, and then some other monitoring process restarts it?
05:08.41nsadminright, that's a somewhat typical method of serverdaemon keepalive
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05:09.13nsadminand it's working but the daemon is dying prematurely
05:09.33nsadminthat whole thing is a hypothesis you should check
05:10.18stewthe hypothesys is that when you try to send a signal to a process, it anticipates this and changes pid before kill is able to find the pid to send the signal to?
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05:10.53stewor that kill is broken and tells you that the process cannot be found even though it was found and successfully sent a signal?
05:10.54Big_BrotherI rebooted, no worries.
05:10.58nsadminno, simply that something is watching the pid, and when it disappears, the monitor restarts it (like daemontools)
05:11.14stewso the second one?
05:12.04nsadminthe inner part of the same hypothesis, is that the daemon stopping so soon is a problem that should be looked into
05:12.13stew<Big_Brother> dalias: except, when I go to kill it with the process ID, it says there's no such process.
05:12.22stewBig_Brother: the "it" there which says "no such process" is kill?
05:12.33nsadminalready gone... it's happening too fast
05:12.55stewi really doubt that kill is broken in such a fundamental way
05:13.10nsadminI don't think it's being killed
05:13.23stewdoean't really matter
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05:13.31nsadminI think it's mis-sometning, maybe misconfigured, and dies by itself
05:13.38Milos|NetbookI'm having a lot of trouble trying to install http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/wvstreams
05:13.45stewso back to the first one
05:13.49Milos|NetbookE: Unable to locate package wvstreams
05:13.58Milos|Netbookdeb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
05:14.07Milos|NetbookFor a deb-src, do I just copy everything?
05:14.15Milos|NetbookLike deb-src http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
05:14.17nsadminMilos|Netbook, yes
05:14.23Milos|NetbookOk, well I did that and it still says no such package
05:14.33nsadminthen you should be able to apt-get source it
05:14.34stewMilos|Netbook: what command is giving you an error?
05:14.38Milos|Netbookaaaaah source!
05:14.43Milos|NetbookI was trying install, sorry I'm new
05:14.46stewMilos|Netbook: wait, what are you actually trying to do?
05:14.52Milos|NetbookI need wvdial on armel
05:14.57Milos|Netbookso I have to compiel it myself
05:15.00Milos|Netbookit requires wvstreams dep
05:15.09nsadminnp, and normally I'd recommend aptitude, but I don't think it has source
05:15.21stewaptitude does have source
05:15.26stewMilos|Netbook: why do you have to compile it?
05:15.28Milos|NetbookI've never known the difference between apt-get and aptitude
05:15.37nsadminhe's backporting?
05:15.39Milos|Netbookstew, how else can I get an arm version
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05:15.53Big_Brotherstew: synergy is a software KVM with a server and clients. I was trying to start a client on a GUI-less debian box. I'm betting that the software went nuts and began restarting itself every few seconds but failing.
05:16.05stewMilos|Netbook: what version of debian are you running?
05:16.25Milos|Netbookroot@raspberrypi:~# cat /etc/debian_version
05:16.26Milos|Netbook6.0.5
05:16.40nsadminand rasberrypi is an arm?
05:16.44Milos|Netbookyes
05:16.46Milos|Netbookarmel
05:16.50nsadminok
05:16.51stewMilos|Netbook: you should NOT have a deb line for unstable then
05:16.58Milos|Netbookum yes I should
05:17.09Milos|Netbookas I need a recent openssl version
05:17.11nsadminyeah, not good idea ;) deb-src, not deb
05:17.12stewMilos|Netbook: no, unless you are trying to switch to unstable
05:17.22Milos|Netbookyes I am trying to switch to unstable.
05:17.27Milos|NetbookI don't really care about stability
05:17.44stewMilos|Netbook: then you don't want apt-get source or a deb-src line
05:17.52Milos|Netbookhm
05:18.01nsadmindo you want a cleaner method of switching?
05:18.16Milos|Netbookbottom line is I just want wvdial to work because it's such a simple thing
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05:18.24nsadmindpetrek, ok if I pm you?
05:18.26stewMilos|Netbook: you should be following a similar proceduare as you would for switching from one stable release to another
05:18.27Milos|NetbookI don't mind other components lagging behind meanwhile
05:18.43stewMilos|Netbook: like the lenny->squeeze procedure
05:19.14mjthow to start gnome3 from command line?  There are things like startxfce, or I can put something into .xsession but what?
05:19.29Milos|Netbookstartx?
05:19.52mjtstartx executes .xsession
05:20.02mjtmy question is what to put into it for gnome
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05:20.10nsadminMilos|Netbook, as long as you don't mind it... and are aware of the tree of consequences that result :)
05:20.20Milos|Netbook:P
05:20.39stewstartx runs .xinitrc not .xsession, i thought, but this could have changed sometime
05:20.40g4mbitgood morning!
05:20.48nsadminI'll take that as a "yes, I don't mind"
05:20.58mjtstew: it runs either, whichever exists
05:21.33stewok
05:21.35dpetreknsadmin: sure :)
05:21.44nsadminok, cool, one sec
05:22.18mjtI placed "exec gnome-session" into ~/.xsession, but it does not execute gnome-panel, or gnome-shell.
05:22.26mjts/execute/start/
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05:24.14stewmjt: is that an indication that your saved session doesn't have either of those started?
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05:24.26mjti don't have any saved sessions...
05:24.35mjti started with empty ~/
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05:28.45Leave_This_Placeso is it safe to assume that most Stable security fixes are fixed in lock-step with testing? usually 4/5 of them?
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05:29.37raptor67782do you kno wwhere is sensible-mda , i.e. packagename ?
05:29.52raptor67782ok got it.
05:30.10raptor67782why we need sensible-mda with mut and sendmail-bin? isnt it enough normally?
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05:32.50raptor67782I have installed mutt and sendmail-bin. it shall be enough normally. Why do it requires procmail and sensible-mda? I see that in /VAR LOG mail.info that it lacks by exec the sensible-mda
05:32.54raptor67782ehlp
05:33.04samba35what is difference in terminal and xterminal
05:33.54raptor67782terminal is maybe for $DISPLAY=""
05:33.58raptor67782and x for x11
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05:37.16mjtuhh. so gnome started. and reset all my settings for the touchpad, for the bell and other stuff, and there's no place in gnome control center to tweak these.
05:37.45mjtshould i move settings from my .xsession to .config/autostart/*.desktop somehow?
05:38.01mjtso they'll apply after gnome damages it not before?
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05:46.08mjtdconf-editor, /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/mouse/active = FALSE.
05:46.26mjt*sigh*. Opt-out, opt-out, Opt-Out, OPT-OUT, OPT-OUT!!!
05:46.48g4mbitxD
05:48.09mjtgconf-editor even
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05:53.47mjt..except it doesn't work since something has changed in gnome3 (that applies to gnome2).  In gnome3 there's much more obscure way to configure that stuff.
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06:05.48Miesco_I just updated all my packages in wheezy and I get: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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06:06.37Miesco_but that file is at /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so
06:07.01Miesco_No libraries are working...
06:07.17Miesco_I can't run anything
06:07.24Miesco_It says they libraries are not found
06:07.32nsadminMiesco_, you can't run anything?
06:07.40nsadminnot even cat?
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06:07.58Miesco_nsadmin: Well I can run cat
06:08.01Miesco_nsadmin: And irssi
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06:08.14Miesco_nsadmin: But not anything with a gui
06:08.23nsadminok, try aptitude -d install libc6
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06:08.40nsadmindoes that download anything?
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06:09.11Miesco_nsadmin: no
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06:10.10nsadminok, presumably that's latest. try this: aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl
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06:10.54nsadmin(since the next thing I want is cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste)
06:11.11nsadminthe very last line of the output will be a url
06:11.15nsadminshow that
06:11.22stew!uuoc nsadmin
06:11.23dpkghands nsadmin the "useless use of cat" award
06:11.44stewMiesco_: does "ldconfig" report errors?
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06:12.18nsadmin, names libusb
06:12.19juddSearch for libusb in squeeze/i386:
06:12.46Miesco_nopaste:command not found
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06:13.00Miesco_wait nvm
06:13.20Miesco_When I try to install nopaste I get: dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable.
06:13.38nsadmindoh, are you root when you do that?
06:13.42nsadmin-d
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06:14.36Miesco_http://paste.debian.net/172122/
06:14.42nsadmin:)
06:15.08stewMiesco_: is libc-bin installed?
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06:15.51Miesco_stew: Yea
06:15.58nsadminMiesco_: echo ". $PATH"
06:16.00stewMiesco_: what version?
06:16.17Miesco_stew: 2.13-32
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06:16.33nsadminthe . is for irc, it doesn't like / as first char
06:16.39Miesco_. /home/shawn/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/home/shawn/bin:/home/shawn/bin:/home/shawn/bin
06:16.41stewMiesco_: is /sbin on your path?
06:17.08nsadminlooks like no
06:17.21stewMiesco_: sorry, i mean for root, is /sbin on the PATH for root
06:17.42nsadmindoes whoami say root?
06:17.49stewno, it says shawn
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06:18.32Miesco_WHy isn't /sbin in my path?
06:18.38stewMiesco_: are you root?
06:18.39divbellbecause you aren't root
06:18.42Miesco_stew: no
06:18.44divbellsu
06:18.45Miesco_oh
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06:18.49stewMiesco_: /sbin is "stuff that only root uses"
06:18.54nsadminMiesco_, you need to be root for some of this stuf
06:19.33divbellmany people install the sudo package
06:19.42nsadminnot me :)
06:19.49divbellon single user systems, i usually do something like %sudo ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL
06:19.56nsadminbut then I'm not a many person...
06:19.56divbellin /etc/sudoers
06:20.02divbelland add my user to the sudo group
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06:20.08Miesco_nsadmin: I got nopaste when I used root to get it, if I sudo it doesn't have sbin
06:20.08Miesco_in path
06:20.17nsadminoh ok
06:20.25nsadminthat's weird :)
06:20.38nsadminbut, good enough, you have it
06:20.40DulakMiesco_: If you do 'sudo echo $PATH' /sbin is not listed??
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06:20.59divbellif your path isn't what you expect, check your home directory dotfiles like .profile, .bashrc, .bash_profile
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06:21.11divbellthen the system level versions in /etc
06:21.18Miesco_Dulak: no
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06:21.26stewDulak: realize that is the same as "echo $PATH" without sudo
06:21.29stewMiesco_: ignore Dulak
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06:21.58Dulakstew: No it isn't,  unless you have a setting in sudoers to pass the PATH, it defaults to root's path
06:22.20stewDulak: $PATH is expanded by the shell before deciding what to send as parameters to sudo
06:22.22Miesco_So I guess all the libraries work as root
06:22.51stewDulak: somehting like: «sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH'» on the other hand...
06:22.56nsadminDulak, but consider what the shell does: it looks at the lines for variables early (before execution of the command) and substitutes variables... see: info bash
06:23.22divbellsudo sh -c "echo \$PATH"
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06:23.45nsadminor 'echo $PATH'
06:23.57divbellmm, good
06:24.06Miesco_stew: That doesn't have /sbin
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06:25.33nsadminMiesco_, so being in as root already and looking at PATH is different from the su thing unless quptation rules are composed so as to get that behavior
06:25.36DulakMmmm, I have an error in my bashrc from that variable expansion bit, thanks for pointing it out.
06:26.00nsadminwhich implies that quoting rules need to be followed when running other commands
06:27.06stewnsadmin: what do you mean by "being in as root"?
06:27.17Miesco_stew: Any suggestions?
06:27.25nsadminstew, root shell started as login shell
06:27.47stewnsadmin: and what do you mean by "the su thing" and "quptation rules" ?
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06:28.04Miesco_libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:28.10nsadminfor the quoting rules, info bash
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06:28.15Miesco_I guess there is something wrong with a path
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06:28.32stewMiesco_: i believe you need to add secure_path to your sudoers file
06:28.45stewDefaults        secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
06:28.53stewMiesco_: for starters
06:29.13stewMiesco_: then I'd want to know if "sudo ldconfig" reports errors
06:29.33stewMiesco_: (assuming you are doing everything with sudo and not su)
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06:29.41nsadminMiesco_, you can be in as root with sudo bash -l
06:29.47Dulaksudo -i
06:29.52stewstop
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06:30.03stewlets fix his sudo setup first
06:30.13stewinstead of trying to work around it
06:30.15Miesco_I'm doing screen su
06:31.30DulakAhhh,  to get a good environment su -
06:31.32nsadminone question first: Miesco_, do you have sudo because you want it?
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06:31.43DulakJust su leaves you with the env from the login user
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06:32.02nsadminor from the env of the process that spawned the su
06:32.05Miesco_nsadmin: Well I don't want to login as root
06:32.17nsadminso, ok, that would be a yes
06:32.35nsadminbecause sudo is a way to avoid logging in as root
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06:34.14Miesco_sudo: >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 25 <<<
06:34.24Miesco_oh wiat
06:35.20stewMiesco_: check that you have the "secure_path" setting in sudoers that I mentioned before
06:35.23Miesco_I had "Defaults env_reset"
06:35.32Miesco_stew: Instead of env_reset?'
06:35.52stewMiesco_: in addition to
06:36.11stewMiesco_: also check that "grep ^ENV_SUPATH /etc/login.defs" returns a path containing /sbin
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06:36.39Miesco_stew: So Defaults env_reset secure_path=...
06:37.19stewMiesco_: one line should be "Defaults env_reset"  another line should be "Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin""
06:37.26Miesco_kk
06:37.26Miesco_done
06:37.33peterrooneythinks using BNF to present a new language is not an effective didactic method.
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06:38.04stewnow Miesco_ now «sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH'» should include /sbin
06:38.17Miesco_stew: It contains a path with sbin, the ENV_SUPATH thing
06:38.18nsadminpeterrooney, depends on the audience... for people new to computer languages, agreed
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06:38.40peterrooneyeven for experts, BNF should wait until you have the most common idioms down pat
06:38.44Miesco_stew: Yea it does
06:38.59stewMiesco_: now does "sudo ldconfig" succeed?
06:39.13Miesco_stew: Yea
06:39.28nsadminpeterrooney, bnf is mostly for parsers, and there is precedent for its use in primers
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06:40.07HellTigeris there a way to preserve timestamps in webdav folders? my rsync overwrites all the time.
06:40.12stewMiesco_: i don't remember what you originally were asking about, but I suspect that perhaps now everything is fixed?
06:40.21Miesco_stew: Its not fixed
06:40.32stewMiesco_: ok, what is still broken?
06:40.41Miesco_stew: When I run firefox I get: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:40.50nsadminpeterrooney, if you're saying it's not that readable (especially if it has to be modified to work with particular types of parsers), I'd agree to that as well
06:40.53Miesco_stew: ANd that file does exist
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06:41.08Miesco_but that file is at /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so
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06:41.43Miesco_stew: Its not suppost to be executable, is it?
06:41.46stewMiesco_: when you rn "firefox" are you actually trying to run iceweasel?
06:41.50stewor actually firefox?
06:41.57Miesco_stew: iceweasel
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06:42.07nsadminMiesco_, check ld.so.conf for /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/
06:42.18Miesco_and chromium: /usr/lib/chromium/chromium: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:42.44nsadminif not present, the contents of that folder will not be found unless it's listed in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
06:43.53Miesco_nsadmin: That variable isn't defined
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06:44.51nsadminMiesco_, so that's half of the conditions necessary to not be found
06:45.13Miesco_nsadmin: Where is LD_LIBRARY_PATH defined?
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06:45.39Miesco_I probably used an old config file when aptitude asked to use the maintainer's version
06:45.54Miesco_Maybe not
06:46.08nsadminturning that around, if you want a lib in /some/lib, and /some/lib is not in /etc/ld.so.conf, then you would define LD_LIBRARY_PATH
06:46.24stewnsadmin: are you just randomly guessing?
06:46.28caracalneed help: setting up a brand-new machine, and of course am putting wheezy on it ... but the new box has no internal speaker, so is there a way to send system beeps to the sound card?  sound works fine, just no beeps ... not using gnome or kde, so those won't help
06:46.47nsadminstew, what has you ask?
06:46.58stewnsadmin: i don't understand your question
06:47.12stewnsadmin: are you going to actually have him alter either ld.so.conf or LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
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06:47.44nsadminthat would be the only ways for the lib to be found
06:47.49Miesco_include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
06:47.51stewnsadmin: that is incorrect
06:48.00Miesco_Thats whats in ld.so.conf
06:48.12Miesco_and only /usr/local/lib is in the directory
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06:48.16Miesco_and some kernel libs
06:48.49Miesco_I mean multi arch support libs
06:48.53nsadminMiesco_, so, would you concur if we said "that's for system libraries"?
06:49.09Miesco_nsadmin: WHat is?
06:49.22nsadminwhat you just found
06:49.23stewwhat is a system library?
06:49.43Miesco_nsadmin: /usr/local/lib isn't for system libraries
06:49.51stewwhat is a system library?
06:50.11Miesco_stew: I don't know
06:51.16Miesco_Shouldn't I have way more files in /etc/ld.so.conf.d, then "i486-linux-gnu.conf  libc.conf"
06:51.22stewMiesco_: no
06:51.42Miesco_stew: Then why isn't xulrunner in the ld path?
06:52.38stewdo you mean /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0 ?
06:53.09nsadminand more to the point, if an official debian package placed the lib in that place, what method does it expect to find it with?
06:53.12Miesco_stew: Yea
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06:53.53Miesco_nsadmin: Iono
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06:53.58stewMiesco_: my belief is that it doesn't need to be explicitly on the path because it should only be needed by other binaries in /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0
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06:54.22stewnsadmin: do you have iceweasel running?
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06:54.30nsadminand how would they find it?
06:54.38nsadminstew: yeah
06:54.57Miesco_stew: Should the .so be binary?
06:55.14stewnsadmin: when you run "fuser /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so" does it return any process ids?
06:55.36nsadminsec
06:55.58nsadminSpecified filename /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so does not exist.
06:56.21Miesco_nsadmin: Maybe you have an earlier version of xulrunner?
06:56.40nsadminwhat's xulrunner a part of?
06:56.57mjtmozilla (firefox/thunderbird)
06:57.05stewnsadmin: when you run "lsof | grep libxul.so" does it return any matches?
06:57.13mjtas root
06:57.16mjt?
06:57.39Miesco_stew: Its not just xulrunner, chromium libraries don't load, same with vlc
06:57.54stewMiesco_: yes, i know
06:57.59nsadminyes
06:58.01nsadmintwo
06:58.06stewnsadmin: which?
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06:58.48stewnsadmin: when you run "grep -r xulrunner /etc/ld.so.c*" does it return any matches?
06:59.04Miesco_nsadmin: You use the mozilla apt reposoitory?
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06:59.15nsadminyep
06:59.22nsadminthat I do
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06:59.50stewnsadmin: do you see how I know that you are just guessing and "< nsadmin> that would be the only ways for the lib to be found" is false
07:00.24nsadminnot yet, because the actual method of locating the libs has not been exposed
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07:00.48stewreally?
07:00.50stewwhatever
07:01.17nsadminLD_LIBRARY_PATH could have been set
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07:01.32stewyou mean that on yours it must have been set
07:01.44nsadminthe only other thing I can think of is the path is hard coded into the binary
07:01.47stewnsadmin: what is your LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to
07:02.05Miesco_stew: THe program could of set it
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07:02.19Miesco_in a subshell
07:02.30nsadminor a sub process of any kind
07:02.40stewnsadmin: so what is your set to?
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07:03.46nsadminit's blank
07:03.46stewright
07:03.46stew...
07:03.46nsadminand, that's inconclusive
07:03.55stewin my mind it is conclusive
07:04.15stew02:59 < stew> nsadmin: do you see how I know that you are just guessing and "< nsadmin> that would be the only ways for the lib to be found" is false
07:04.20Miesco_How do I delete ld?
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07:04.36stewMiesco_: why on earth would you want to delete ld?
07:04.38nsadminMiesco_, that's in binutils
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07:04.52nsadminare you saying you don't want any compiler stuff?
07:04.53Miesco_stew: I dunno what else to do
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07:05.39nsadminMiesco_, ld isn't involved here
07:06.32Miesco_nsadmin: Why cant my programs find libraries?
07:06.57nsadminfirst, name a program that can, and another that can't
07:07.06Miesco_nsadmin: firefox can't, irssi can
07:07.20Miesco_nsadmin: pornview also can
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07:08.04nsadminok... look thru the output of ldd $(which irssi)
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07:08.31nsadminthose libs are all found
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07:08.49nsadminsame when you substitute pornview for irssi
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07:09.01Miesco_nsadmin: ah ha
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07:09.26nsadmindo you call the browser as "firefox"?
07:09.26Miesco_nsadmin: So thats the problem
07:09.33Miesco_nsadmin: Yea
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07:10.33nsadminhmm, there has been a legal disagreement between debian and netscape, which was resolved by netscape saying "you can distribute that code, but not under the name firefox"
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07:11.15nsadminthe sub-point here, is if that's still in effect, debian did not supply that
07:11.21Miesco_"not a dynamic executabl"
07:11.21stewexcept the names have been changed to protect the innnocent?
07:11.21Miesco_WHen I put firefox
07:11.36nsadminok, file $(which firefox)
07:11.44nsadminlet's see what it is
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07:12.05stewMiesco_: btw, you are now headed down a wild goose chase
07:12.08Miesco_nsadmin: It seems to be only libraries that are not part of the compiler
07:12.14Miesco_stew: Why?
07:12.33babilennetscape? mozilla rather :)
07:12.50stewMiesco_: because you are going to perhaps eventually find the iceweasel binary and determine it isn't linked against libxul.so anyway
07:13.19nsadminstew, so far, we haven't found anything called "iceweasel"
07:13.26stewnsadmin: yeah, iknow
07:13.35Miesco_stew: What should I do?
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07:13.42stewnsadmin: you will eventually, then you'll determine that it's not linked against the library anywaay
07:13.55stewMiesco_: i don't know
07:14.04stewMiesco_: but i'm not going to make you do random shit just because I don't yet know
07:14.06Miesco_ALl the programs that don't work say 'not a dynamic executable'
07:14.12nsadminMiesco_, one thing we could do... is get you an updated iceweasel
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07:14.20stewMiesco_: that's nsadmin's job
07:15.08Miesco_nsadmin: I looked it up, its the experiemental 'relealse' for debian.mozilla.org
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07:15.17Miesco_nsadmin: I looked it up earlier when I had a browser
07:15.33Miesco_I don't know the line
07:15.38nsadminMiesco_, what's your interest here? you want to go deeper into what could be called forensics (a looooong job with lots of thinking) or just get a browser that does what you want?
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07:16.11linkedinunsadmin,  i do have folder with subfolders and files how to compress it please with the command line
07:16.54nsadminlinkedinu, ok, and you want to compress them into a tar file? starting where?
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07:17.16linkedinuyes please
07:17.25nevynnsadmin: debian and mozillacorp
07:17.45linkedinunsadmin,  >?
07:17.54nsadminnevyn, those are the agree-to-disagree parties?
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07:18.29linkedinunsadmin,  i want to transefer my files from server to another new server
07:18.31nevynnsadmin: it was a dispute about trademarks on "firefox" and the trademarked logo
07:18.37nsadminlinkedinu, you say you have a "folder with subfolders"
07:18.40Miesco_nsadmin: I just want my libraries to work, I don't think it has anything to do with a specific application like firefox
07:18.42linkedinufrist want to compress them
07:18.46nsadminwhat;s the name of the folder?
07:18.51stewI don't believe there was an actual dispute
07:19.06stewthey revoked our trademark license, we stopped using their mark
07:19.09linkedinulinkin folder
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07:19.38nsadminright, I don't think it was any worse than mozilla saying "stop" and debian replying "ok"
07:19.55stewor netscape or whatever
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07:21.02gnarfaceThe Dude: Yes, Walter, you're right. There is an unspoken message here. It's "FUCK YOU, LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!"
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07:21.04linkedinunsadmin,  i want the extension to be tar.tgz
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07:21.57nsadminlinkedinu, that would be understood as a compressed tarfile containinng a tar file
07:22.11nsadmincontaining... somethign :)
07:22.35stewlinkedinu: tar.gz or tgz would be far more common
07:22.45nsadminand correctly understood
07:23.04gnarfaceonly windows cares
07:23.09linkedinuok what is the command please
07:23.14stewlinkedinu: but it wuold be "tar czf tarfilename file1 file2 file3"
07:23.31gnarfacestew: wouldn't he probably want czvpf?
07:23.34nsadminyou would then have files contained by a tar file, and that tar file is compressed
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07:24.00linkedinustew,  i want just one tgz file
07:24.04nsadmingnarface, and possibly --one-file-system
07:24.05gnarfacensadmin: not necessarily... you could name it tar.tar.tar.tar.fuckitallwanttodie.tgz and tar wouldn't care
07:24.32gnarfaceconventions are important to understand but thats different from when they're enforced
07:24.34nsadminI'm trying to be nice to the people who will read the file name... that would NOT :)
07:24.43Miesco_When I do: ldd /usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/xulrunner-bin, I get: http://pastie.org/4000160
07:24.44gnarfacefarir enough
07:25.20stewlinkedinu: right, tar can only create a single file at a time
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07:25.45nsadminso the libs on lines 2, 3 and 4 are not found
07:25.55Miesco_libxpcom.so => not foun
07:26.00gnarfacei'm gonna fork firefox and name it dirtweasel
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07:26.29Miesco_i'ma name mine dickweasel
07:26.32gnarfacehaha
07:26.38nsadminwe can just get you a browser that work :)
07:26.57nsadminfirefoxeatingmonstertruck
07:27.07Miesco_nsadmin: THen what about the video codec libraries that don't work?
07:27.34sxpert1http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2012/05/31/dell-commence-a-tester-en-grand-des-serveurs-a-base-de-processeurs-arm
07:27.37nsadminif they don't work now, they might not work then,,, you may need other versions?
07:27.40sxpert1want !
07:27.48gnarfaceMiesco_: i'd advise avoiding them
07:28.06Miesco_nsadmin: They worked before I updated wheezy
07:28.13Miesco_nsadmin: Is this a bug in wheezy?
07:28.15linkedinutar czvf allmyfiles.tar.gz *
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07:28.52stewlinkedinu: yes, that is the same as my command but you added a 'v' which means "show me which files you add explicitly (verbose)"
07:29.02gnarfacelinkedinu: don't forget 'p' ... you'd want to preserve permissions if you plan to extract it to a similarly uid'd debian system
07:29.13nsadminMiesco_, I'm not trying to throw a copout here... but, it's true that upgrades change things and may require adjustments to make things work again
07:29.33nsadminlinkedinu, what dir are you in?
07:29.56Miesco_nsadmin: What adjustments? :)
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07:30.18linkedinunsadmin,  i am in the /home and want to compress the /home/linkin
07:30.24Jaggz-how do I restrict DNS lookups to only within our network, while allowing authoritive lookups publicly?
07:30.30Jaggz-using powerdns
07:30.47stewlinkedinu: tar cvzf linkin.tgz linkin
07:31.03peterrooneyMiesco_: it sometimes happens that the new version of a program has different config syntax, or worse yet, defaults different from those you have come to expect.
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07:31.08linkedinustew,  ok
07:31.15stewlinkedinu: gnarface wants you to read "man tar" and decide if you want to change cvzf to cvzfp
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07:31.23Miesco_peterrooney: But wouldn't others experience these issues?
07:31.31stewwhich is a decent think to do
07:31.33gnarfacethanks stew
07:31.34peterrooneyMiesco_: we do experience it
07:31.38stewgnarface: :)
07:31.46nsadminand maybe not v
07:31.48linkedinuthanks all of you guys
07:31.50linkedinu:)))
07:31.53Miesco_Can someone search on google: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory wheezy
07:32.10nsadminif you want to see the files go by on your screen really fast... put the v in
07:32.13Miesco_I wish I had a browser
07:32.32Miesco_nsadmin: Whats the debian repository line for iceweasel?
07:32.38peterrooneyMiesco_: /msg dpkg search
07:32.54nsadmingetting it n ow
07:33.15stewMiesco_: its the same as the repository line for any other debian package
07:33.28Miesco_stew: No the mozilla repository
07:33.29nsadminMiesco_, running squeeze?
07:33.32Miesco_stew: Is what I meant
07:33.36Miesco_nsadmin: RUnning wheezy
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07:34.22nsadminyou get to try experimental packages! yay!
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07:34.34Miesco_nsadmin: Yea
07:34.55stewMiesco_: if you add a new user, does this work when you login as the newly added user?
07:35.16Miesco_stew: What work?
07:35.25stewMiesco_: iceweasel
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07:35.35stewMiesco_: anything that is not currently working
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07:35.52nsadminstew, about to give him the debian-mozilla-team sources.list line (which they say points to experimental)
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07:36.17nsadminwant me to do that now? or wait till he checks that?
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07:37.04Miesco_stew: I don't think so, I logged into the new account with 'su guesttest' thou0gh
07:37.23stewMiesco_: try again wth "su - guesttest" ?
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07:37.54Miesco_stew: No doesn't work
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07:38.03stewMiesco_: same error about libxul.so?
07:38.08Miesco_stew: Yea
07:38.35nsadminMiesco_, save these instructions into a text file...
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07:40.12stewMiesco_: i'd strace it
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07:40.33Miesco_stew: Oh yea good idea
07:40.38nsadminYou need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/: "deb http://your-mirror.debian.org/debian experimental main"  You can install it with the following commands:$ apt-get update then $ apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel
07:40.52nsadminMiesco_, put that in a text file
07:41.24stewthis is really not likely to be an iceweasel specific problem
07:41.36stewseeing as it is not specific to iceweasel
07:42.10Miesco_nsadmin: nvm I don't want to do that
07:42.26nsadminhe wanted the info... and yo're helping him find the problem
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07:45.51stewMiesco_: you wanted the sources.list line for which version of iceweasel?
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07:48.05nsadminstew, the line I gave is for the one called "release"
07:48.13linkedinu????:  now compressed file has been transfer to my other server and it is now in /home how to decompress the linkin.tgz please
07:48.52nsadminlinkedinu, what dir were you in when you ran the tar command?
07:49.17nsadmin(you may recall I asked the same question before)
07:49.19linkedinunsadmin,  i did not run it yet
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07:49.27stewlinkedinu: from /home run the same command you created it with but use x for extract instead of c for create
07:49.59linkedinustew,  nsadmin thank you
07:50.05Miesco_stew: How would I do strace firefox | nopaste
07:50.19Miesco_stew: I want to get the error output
07:50.20nsadminlinkedinu, by the way, great question: a backup is not useful if you cannot restore it
07:50.38stewMiesco_: strace -f firefox 2>&1 | nopaste
07:50.54linkedinunsadmin,  how to restore it and where?
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07:51.49Miesco_http://pastie.org/4000248
07:51.52Miesco_stew: ^
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07:52.38stewinteresting, it does open it once successfully first
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07:52.44nsadminthat depends on what dir you will be in when you run the tar c... command
07:52.50stewopen("/usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so", O_RDONLY) = 3
07:52.53stewthen sometime later
07:52.56stewopen("/usr/lib/libxul.so", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
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07:53.20nsadminstew, that would be a different file of coursae
07:53.39stewnsadmin: huh?
07:53.53nsadminlook at the two opens
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07:53.56nsadmintwo different files
07:54.01stewnsadmin: no shit
07:54.46nsadminso, as you say, it succeeds in loading the lib, but then, it tries to load a different file and fails
07:54.48stewnsadmin: notice that there are 12 other ones before it
07:55.02stew13 different files
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07:57.07initselfcan PuTTY run a command after it logs in, like 'cd some_dir'?
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07:57.40tralalayes, it can
07:57.50nsadminstew, would the $(dirname) of those file paths correspond to the dirs in ld.so.conf?
07:57.56Miesco_stew: I'll think this over while I sleep, I have to go to bed, i'll be on tommorow probably
07:58.22Miesco_nsadmin: Some of them
07:58.23initselftralala: standard PuTTY?  can you point me to where?
07:59.01initselfi thought it would be in the config somewhere
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07:59.11tralalainitself, yes standard. I can't check right now but it's in she SSH section iirc
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07:59.37initselfData to send to the server ... Remote command?
07:59.50initselfI tried putting 'test' in there and my session closed out.
07:59.52stewnsadmin: clearly not
08:00.04stewnsadmin: 03:52 < stew> open("/usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so", O_RDONLY) = 3
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08:00.24tralalainternat, try mutt or mail
08:00.36stewnsadmin: you've verified that this doesn't come from /etc/ld.so.c* from
08:01.05horsemorning all
08:01.38horsei'm having problems upgrading an old etch box to lenny, i keep getting asked for an etch CD?  anyone know why this might happen?
08:01.58stewhorse: because there is an etch cd listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
08:02.18horseah right stew, that would explain it
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08:02.55horsethanks man, am i right in thinking i only need a couple of sources, ie the main and secutiry archive?
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08:04.18nsadminthat particular one succeeded and was then ignored
08:04.24stewhorse: its been a long time since there was security support for eiterh etch or lenny
08:04.47stewhorse: only the http://archives.debian.org/debian entries are relevant anymore
08:05.52stewnsadmin: what are you talking about?
08:05.55nsadminhorse, the sources for lenny are the next thing you need (and that;s in archive.debian.org)
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08:14.00horsethanks nsadmin
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08:16.52nsadminhorse, if you have an etch machine and you want to upgrade to squeeze, you would first upgrade your etch to lenny (which is no longer on the mirrors), and then your new lenny to squeeze
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08:17.41nsadminfor the first upgrade, read the lenny release notes for upgrade instructions, for the second, read squeeze release notes
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08:20.56peterrooneyprobably  faster and easier to just install squeeze from scratch.
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08:21.09nsadminpeterrooney, right, and backup his /home
08:21.35nsadminit may actually depend on what he has and what the machine is for
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08:27.36nsadminoggydoo?
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08:27.50gnarfacedoom!
08:27.57gnarfacedoom, doom doom, and more doom!
08:28.06gnarfacewe're all doomed
08:28.23nsadminyou're pretty doom...
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08:28.57peterrooneyI'm not.  My hardware is.
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08:51.33florida-how to go to a certain line number in nano?
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08:52.36me__Hi. I am remotly connected via ssh -X to machine using openbox. How to 'switch' to running instance of wm?
08:53.19PerfDaveme__: Change $DISPLAY, probably to :0
08:53.25PerfDaveAnd possibly mess around with xauth
08:53.42florida-PerfDave, ?
08:53.59PerfDaveflorida-: ?
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08:54.17me__PerfDave: change display? Can you elaborate?
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08:54.52PerfDaveme__: What are you trying to achieve exactly? You're SSH'd into a machine, and you want to run programs through that SSH connection which display on the screen of the machine rather than your own?
08:55.42me__PerfDave: I would like to interact with my desktop, like running OS in vm.
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08:56.03me__*vbox
08:56.15florida-how to go to a certain line number in nano?
08:56.41florida-PerfDave, ^
08:56.45PerfDaveme__: Interact with how? Do you want your mouse and keyboard on the machine you're sat at, to work on the other machine? You might look at synergy for that, or x2x
08:56.57PerfDaveflorida-: Why are you asking me? If I knew I'd tell you, but I've never used nano.
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08:57.13me__PerfDave: I will look into that. Thanks.
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08:58.16peterrooneyflorida-: nano +line filename
08:58.32PerfDaveme__: Otherwise you could look at using x0rfb or similar to get a VNC session for your desktop, which you can access from your current system
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08:59.39no_al_nonnismome__: try vnc. tunnel vnc via ssh
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09:00.22no_al_nonnismoflorida-: i think nano has an option for that. try "nano --help" to find out.
09:00.37florida-thx
09:01.33babilen!tell me__ -about vnc
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09:03.21florida-no_al_nonnismo,  peterrooney what ports are used by irc. i need to unblock all.
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09:05.24no_al_nonnismoflorida-: 6667 (irc) and usually 6697,7500 for ssl IRC
09:06.05dokmasomething is fishy here.... rkhunter reported that hash of sudo has changed
09:06.10no_al_nonnismoflorida-: (btw i see you're not using ssl on irc, so 6667 could be enough )
09:06.20dokmahow can I verify if the hash is correct?
09:07.06florida-6667 and any other?
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09:07.38hichamhi
09:07.38petemcdokma: compare /var/lib/dpkg/info/sudo.md5sums
09:07.45hichamis there any channel for packaging help ?
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09:08.17florida-how much ram is actually used in mb?              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
09:08.18florida-Mem:        609960     598820      11140          0     195604     316480
09:08.18florida--/+ buffers/cache:      86736     523224
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09:09.21dokmapetemc: hmm.... it's unchanged according to that file
09:09.28dokmabut an attacker could have tampered with that
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09:09.30PerfDaveflorida-: "free -m" shows you figures in mb
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09:09.50dokmawhat did rkhunter compare it to when it found difference?
09:10.00florida-its not real PerfDave  . cant understand buffer/cache
09:10.00PerfDavedokma: I've got to admit, I get way too many false positives from rkhunter
09:10.19dokmaPerfDave: I see... so it might just be nothing....
09:10.27dokmaPerfDave: any good way to tell?
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09:10.48PerfDavedokma: Don't know whether your case is, I've not had it reporting that before.
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09:11.12lolcatCan I burn a cd while using a livecd?
09:11.30dokmaPerfDave: thank!
09:11.36dokmapetemc: thanks!
09:12.13florida-6667 and any other?
09:12.21hichamis there any channel for packaging help ?
09:12.29florida-no_al_nonnismo,
09:12.33florida-^
09:12.56XSlicerlolcat, yes
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09:14.33florida-what ports are used for irc
09:14.52XSlicer6110-6112, 7000 mostly
09:15.08XSlicereh I mean
09:15.12no_al_nonnismoflorida-: /etc/services says also 194 and 994 ports (but i've never seen those being used )
09:15.33XSlicer6666-6667, 6697, but for example Freenode uses 8001
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09:15.45no_al_nonnismoflorida-: many servers use ports from 6666 to 6669 also
09:16.00florida-hm
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09:16.18no_al_nonnismoXSlicer: i'm using 6697 on freenode o.O
09:16.21florida-freenode uses 6667 also ?
09:16.25XSlicer6697 is ssl
09:16.51no_al_nonnismoflorida-: 6667 is the default, but each server could add many other ports.
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09:17.16XSlicerAll freenode servers listen on ports 6665, 6666, 6667, 6697 (SSL only), 7000 (SSL only), 7070 (SSL only), 8000, 8001 and 8002.
09:17.25no_al_nonnismoXSlicer: i know. but havent freenode also 6667 ? (i've never heard about 8001 on freenode .. )
09:17.41no_al_nonnismoXSlicer: ah, ok
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09:18.21no_al_nonnismoflorida-: it depends. do you need to unlock the ports to access freenode or to access other networks?
09:18.53no_al_nonnismoflorida-: each network could set whatever ports it wants
09:19.17florida-hm
09:19.18florida-ok
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09:22.20florida-babilen,  thanks . great
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09:42.34no_al_no1nismoi'm installing debian with the netinstall. If i de-select "gui" in the software installation menu can i obtain *exactly* the same set of software using later "apt-get install gnome" ?
09:42.47no_al_no1nismois that menu choice == "apt-get install gnome" ?
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09:43.34PerfDaveno_al_no1nismo: No, because it installs X as well, and other things
09:43.57PerfDave!tell no_al_no1nismo about tasksel
09:44.05no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: how can i obtain that ?
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09:44.58PerfDaveno_al_no1nismo: Is there a reason you don't just select it in the installation menu?
09:45.02no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: ah, ok. So the only way is to install gui directly during the installatio stage
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09:45.47PerfDaveno_al_no1nismo: No, that's not the only way. I just want to know what you're trying to achieve and why.
09:46.17no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: i'd like to finish rapidly the installation. then i'll be able to use the console on tty2 (for example) while using another console (tty1 for example) to do the gui intallation (gnome)
09:47.15PerfDaveno_al_no1nismo: Fair enough. Finish the installation then run tasksel again to install the GUI, or install Gnome and Xorg outside tasksel.
09:47.16no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: the idea is also to be able to move the notebook , so i could use it in another place and use apt-get via wireless.
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09:47.50PerfDaveno_al_no1nismo: You'll probably want to install a GUI before you get on the wifi, if you want to use the nice GUI tools for connecting to wireless networks ;)
09:48.10no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: good. thanks. So the only thing i'll have to do is "apt-get install tasksel; tasksel" and select the gui.
09:48.33no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: no thanks ( xD ) . I have all my ifconfig + iwconfig scripts :)
09:48.49PerfDaveI expect tasksel will already be installed.
09:48.50no_al_no1nismo(i dont use network-manager)
09:48.53PerfDaveFair enough, if you like pain :)
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09:50.15no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: what pain? o.O i can easily switch between wire and wireless connection seaminglessly . I've never lose a tcp connection while doing switch eth0 -> wlan0 or wlan0 -> eth0 :)
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09:56.15PerfDaveno_al_no1nismo: BTW "tasksel --task-packages desktop" might be interesting
09:58.42no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: what does it do ?
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09:59.51no_al_no1nismoPerfDave: "desktop" ? but i use a notebook .. ?!?
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10:01.34no_al_no1nismolollo64it culo XD
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10:07.37metaphysician^ see the source of the svg
10:08.01amt0101Hello, has anyone successfully connected to freenode using debian+irssi+tor?
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10:22.50jackwebHave you met such situation? I enabled bootlog in /etc/default/bootlogd and the content of /var/log/boot is:
10:23.08jackweb(Nothing has been logged yet.)
10:23.40jackweb(I changed from No to Yes in the config file and rebooted the netbook.)
10:23.46jackwebDebian = wheezy/testing
10:24.56babilenjackweb: Did you install bootlogd? (And note that testing is typically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net)
10:26.17babilenjackweb: /etc/default/bootlogd shouldn't exist anymore (not quite sure about the situation in testing though, haven't checked)
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10:27.06jackwebbootlogd was not installed at all.. :(
10:27.21jackwebI thought that it is installed defaultly
10:28.10babilenjackweb: Well install it! Which version of initscripts do you have installed?
10:28.45jackweb2.88dsf-13.11
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10:28.51metaphysicianhttp://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc Only 3 developers from my country have added their coordinates. i would like to be the fourth. :)
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10:29.54babilenjackweb: Could you please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-get update ; aptitude search ~U" to http://paste.debian.net ?
10:30.07babilenjackweb: Ah, throw in "apt-cache policy initscripts" as well.
10:30.25jackwebwhy?
10:30.45babilenjackweb: I suspect that something is wrong with your system and I would like to verify that suspicion.
10:30.50jackwebok
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10:32.40babilenmetaphysician: Who are you? (e.g. what is your debian login?)
10:33.34babilenmetaphysician: Just log into https://db.debian.org/login.html and update your settings.
10:34.11metaphysicianbabilen: i don't have a debian login yet. But i would like to contribute to Debian in future
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10:34.40babilenmetaphysician: Ah, that map only shows the location of DDs. I guess you have to wait a little before *your* dot appears.
10:35.09clod89i'm trying to build the fglrx module from backports against the 3.2.0 kernel but it fails to build
10:35.53babilenis not surprised
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10:37.00babilenclod89: Where did you find a backport of fglrx-driver?
10:37.24babilenah, on bdo :)
10:37.45clod89babilen: in the squeeze backports
10:38.06babilenclod89: Yeah, just found it as well. I guess that you have fglrx-driver and the kernel installed from backports?
10:38.17clod89babilen: yes
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10:40.07babilenjackweb: Your system is not fully up-to-date. Please run "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Btw, you also have to run "apt-get update" as some repositories are still active (i.e. opera, google) that are *not* in your sources.list -- As you can see initscripts is outdated (among a couple of other packages)
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10:40.52babilenclod89: I am not entirely sure if the backported fglrx-driver is supposed to work with the backported kernel. What is the build error? Did you install the linux-header package from backports as well?
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10:41.12babilenclod89: Or in short: What did you do (exactly) and what error do you get?
10:41.17clod89babilen: yes i installed the linux-header from the backport as well
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10:42.28jackwebbabilen: the first aptitude's suggestion is to remove gnome-core :D
10:42.35babilenclod89: Just to satisfy my curiosity: Why do you want to use fglrx at all? The free radeon driver is typically much less hassle and might even work better most of the time.
10:43.05clod89babilen: generally i always had much worse performances on this card with the free radeon driver
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10:43.47babilenjackweb: I guess that you've removed a dependency of gnome (say evolution) -- I was also *not* suggesting to use aptitude, but apt-get. You have to select *all* packages you want to keep as manually installed. Did you remove any gnome related software? How did you install gnome?
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10:44.14babilenclod89: Are you sure that the firmware-package and libgl1-mesa-dri was installed? (that is needed for hardware acceleration)
10:44.14jackwebbabilen: ah, apt-get
10:45.03babilenjackweb: It shouldn't matter though. You can use aptitude, but it will remove unneeded packages automatically. Your definition of unneeded might be different though. Did you remove any gnome related software? How did you install gnome?
10:45.07clod89babilen: i'll give it as shot
10:45.15babilen!tell clod89 -about radeon
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10:45.45jackwebbabilen: I rembered that I had to remove gnome due to lots of conflicts after upgrade
10:46.00jackweband I had to install it again
10:46.28babilenjackweb: I have no idea what you did. You might want to "apt-get install gnome-session ; apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Paste the output to http://paste.debian.net so I can check if everything is fine now.
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10:46.50jackwebok
10:47.13jackwebbabilen: gnome-session is latest
10:47.41babilenjackweb: Is it marked as being manually installed?
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10:51.40jackwebbabilen: how to check it?
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10:54.15daniel-shi
10:54.21daniel-sare there very many people around?
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10:55.11jellyprobably not, daniel-s
10:55.19daniel-slol
10:55.35daniel-sI have a problem when compiling code
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10:55.47daniel-sI don't mind using ./compile make and make install
10:55.55jelly!ask
10:55.56dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:56.01jelly!paste
10:56.02dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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10:56.04daniel-sand installing some needed package if ./compile doesn't work
10:56.29daniel-sbut, I don't like that I don't have control over any piece of software I'm building and installing on the system
10:56.41daniel-swhere does it normally get installed and how do I control that software
10:57.00daniel-sie. update it, if I need to build a new version will it just overwrite the older one
10:57.12daniel-swhat is happening when I "make install"?
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10:58.17jellydaniel-s: in a binary-based packaging system, the cleanest way to replace software with newer versions is to use packages with newer versions., and build those packages if you have to
10:58.53daniel-swhat about software that isn't packaged in debian?
10:59.07jellyideally you'd package it yourself as well
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11:00.14nsadminthere are a small number of very many people
11:00.33jellydaniel-s: alternatively, you'd use a filesystem structure that does not clash with the OS, and install it there.  Eg. you might use /opt/vendorname for the build and installation prefix
11:01.02jelly!usrlocal
11:01.02dpkgWhen hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it.  For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage.  Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them.  See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb>
11:01.12jelly!/opt
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11:01.13dpkghmm... /opt is for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software.  See <usrlocal>, <FHS>
11:01.21jellysigh
11:01.54jackwebbabilen: jacek@debian:~$ apt-mark showmanual | grep 'gnome-session'
11:01.54jackwebgnome-session
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11:03.15nsadminyou could do as the usrlocal factoid, and --prefix=/usr/local/yourthingy
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11:04.16nsadminto use it, you'll need to add to both PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
11:04.41jellydaniel-s: an install target of a Makefile typically puts files under the install prefix, and performs other actions to make the software ready to use
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11:06.03daniel-snsadmin: is LD_LIBRARY_PATH to libraries what PATH is to regular executables?
11:06.28nsadminyes, I believe ld.so reads it
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11:16.13nsadminthe other way to ensure your software works as installed, is to install it in a system-wide path. /usr is one of those, and debian uses it, so it would be pretty easy for debian to overwrite your stuff and for you to overwrite debian;s... if you use /usr/local (which is the default), you wouldn't have to set PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH because /usr/local/bin is already in PATH and /etc/ld.so.conf has /usr/local/lib, the combina
11:16.14nsadmintion of which make /usr/local a known system-wide path
11:16.52[TheFlash]does anyone know why the audacious package is broken?
11:17.15nsadminit's working fine in stable
11:17.16[TheFlash]judd: versions audacious
11:17.16juddPackage: audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2.2-2; wheezy: 3.2.2-2
11:17.37[TheFlash]nsadmin: i'm getting a "E: Broken Package" error
11:18.01[TheFlash]nsadmin: oh, i have the backports repository
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11:18.10[TheFlash]nsadmin: maybe that's the problem?
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11:18.37nsadmindunno... what version is it?
11:19.01[TheFlash]audacious : Depends: libaudclient2 (= 2.3-2) but 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed
11:22.14[TheFlash]which parameter can i add to apt-get to select the repository?
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11:23.07[TheFlash]thanks, it works
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11:24.54[TheFlash]judd: versions tmux
11:24.55juddPackage: tmux on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.3-2+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.6-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.6-2; wheezy: 1.6-2; experimental: 1.7~svn2788-1
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11:26.23Agiofwshey
11:26.32die7I am looking for enterprise system management solution aka puppet or spacewalk, is there other exp or tools you can recoment for ca 400 server, tnx!?
11:26.35Agiofwsanyone here using icedove ?
11:26.40[TheFlash]the backports repository is really useful
11:27.18PerfDavedie7: cfengine2 is old but good. chef is trendy. puppet's an enormous pile of failwank.
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11:27.40[TheFlash]are packages from the backports repository considered "stable"?
11:27.46Agiofwsanyone ?
11:27.58nevyndisagrees that puppet is failwank
11:28.09Horace[]Hello, is there a meta package that will pull all necessary compiler tools to build from source? IE. apt-get install compilertools
11:28.12PerfDave[TheFlash]: I don't see how they could be. They change, and haven't been through the same testing process.
11:28.17PerfDaveHorace[]: build-essential
11:28.29Horace[]Thanks
11:28.55[TheFlash]PerfDave: hmm... is there any way I can get a list of all packages on my system and from which repository they came from?
11:29.07nevyndie7: spacewalk and puppet/chef/bcfg2/cfengine do different things
11:29.14PerfDave[TheFlash]: I'm sure there are aptitude runes to do that, but I don't know what they might be :)
11:29.22nsadminHorace[], that works as far as it goes... check the README and/or INSTALL files in the source to find the build requirements
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11:29.42[TheFlash]PerfDave: i'd like to use the stable repository as much as possible
11:29.51Horace[]Thanks
11:30.06PerfDave[TheFlash]: That's a sensible attitude :)
11:30.06Agiofwsanyone here using icedove ?
11:30.07die7nevyn: well I preffer one solution with RIS, patchmanagement and sysadmin, sure also monitoring
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11:30.54nevynRIS?
11:31.21die7nevyn: remote install server, deployment of systems
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11:31.29nevynok.
11:31.34nevynris is the windows term
11:31.45die7nevyn: :)
11:31.56Horace[]Yeah, I am pretty familiarize with building from  source, I build from source often... Just on this box I didn't have any compiler tools installed. It's nice to have the base meta package though, avoids unnecessary repetitive steps
11:32.05nevynso you have 400 debian systems?
11:32.28Agiofwshey whats the proper name for icedove ?
11:32.29die7nevyn: ca 200 red hat and 200 debs
11:32.35nevynok
11:32.36PerfDaveHorace[]: DOn't forget to install everything into /usr/local/ to avoid stamping on the packaging system.
11:32.40Agiofwscan't find many searches on it on google ?
11:32.47PerfDaveAgiofws: What do you mean? The proper name for Icedove is Icedove.
11:32.55nevynso spacewalk/satellite/blah is particularly good at stuff like cve -> affected systems
11:33.04Horace[]PerfDave, always :P xD
11:33.05[TheFlash]PerfDave: ok, i just replaced the backports audacious with the stable one
11:33.21Agiofwsi think PerfDave  theres been a fork  like iceweasel from firefox
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11:33.29gocuchocolatehello
11:33.44gocuchocolateI have a problem with the battery with Debian
11:33.48gocuchocolateIn Debian the battery lasts me less than other operating systems
11:33.50nevynpuppet/chef/etc are really about ensuring system uniformity in configuration
11:33.54PerfDaveAgiofws: Icedove is a rebranding of Thunderbird, but its "proper name" is still Icedove.
11:34.06Agiofwsall of the sudden my address book HAS Vanished ... can you help me ?
11:34.32nsadmingocuchocolate, do you think this is more related to disk or cpu?
11:34.34die7nevyn: satelite is already in use but for my opinion to complex
11:34.54PerfDavegocuchocolate: When you installed Debian, did you select the "laptop" task?
11:35.12gocuchocolatensadmin : The cpu cant be. I have it in powersave. Yes
11:35.13die7nevyn: so I lok for alternative
11:35.19nevyndie7: spacewalk IS satellite.
11:35.24nevynyou know that right?
11:35.46die7nevyn: sure open version from satelite
11:35.55gocuchocolateIt is one hour the time less
11:36.10nsadminout of how many hours?
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11:36.44nevyndie7: yes.
11:37.08gocuchocolateWith other 5-6 hours +-. And with Debian 4
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11:37.55babilengocuchocolate: What kind of hardware is this?
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11:38.55gocuchocolateIt is a netbook. It have one of the first intel atom
11:39.07stewgocuchocolate: see if powertop can help you trim the battery usage
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11:39.12nsadmingocuchocolate, do you notice a lot of disk access with debian that doesn't happen with others?
11:39.51gocuchocolatensadmin: No, less than the others. In debian is faster
11:40.05nevyndie7: so what's complicated about satellite?
11:40.10babilengocuchocolate: You might want to try a newer kernel (cf. "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"), tweak settings with powertop and it might even make sense to use a different governor (but on-demand is typically sensible)
11:40.21nevynwow that's ot for here actually
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11:41.34gocuchocolatePowertop in debian is diferent than in other distros, I cant change anything with it in debian
11:42.12stewgocuchocolate: you mean the stuff like "hit R in order to have me fix foo" doesn't work?
11:42.39babilengocuchocolate: You might have to run it with superuser privileges
11:42.47stew^^
11:43.17gocuchocolateWith other distros powertop have some tweaks, and in Debian no. Yes, I am with root
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11:43.32die7nevyn: admin have lack of knowledge :)
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11:44.27babilengocuchocolate: It is very hard to help you without knowing what you are referring to exactly. Do you mean that "other distro" (whatever that might be) ships powertop with patches that are not applied in Debian?
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11:44.52die7gocuchocolate: powertop forking fine and it will you provide suggestion
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11:45.39gocuchocolatepowertop in debian http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/powertop.png powertop in others https://01.org/powertop/sites/default/files/styles/home_highlights/public/highlights/powertop20_overview.png
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11:46.42babilengocuchocolate: You realise that these show different versions of powertop, don't you?
11:46.46babilen,v powertop
11:46.47juddPackage: powertop on i386 -- lenny: 1.10-2; squeeze: 1.11-1; wheezy: 1.97-2; sid: 1.97-2.1
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11:47.14gocuchocolatehow can I install the lattest?
11:47.43nsadminyou can install the one meant for your version of debian, or you can backport and install that
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11:48.09babilengocuchocolate: You can probably backport it from sid (cf. "/msg dpkg ssb"), but note that the version in sid is buggy at the moment. (just crashed for me and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=powertop)
11:48.31xyHello, i am trying to update a installation from lenny to squeeze. i updated sources.list but i get a gpg error now:
11:48.36babilengocuchocolate: What is it you are missing in the powertop version in squeeze exactly?
11:48.37gocuchocolateAnd can I compile the latest?
11:48.38xy"The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA
11:48.41xy"
11:48.57kskdo an safe-upgrade before you edit the source list
11:49.03kskin general follow:
11:49.04gocuchocolatebabilen : the tunable tab
11:49.05nevyndie7: staff sucking is something you need to address with training and development
11:49.09ksk!tell xy about lenny->squeeze
11:49.16kskyou can still impot the gpg key manually anyway
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11:50.33die7nevyn: sure I just was interesting on community exp to chose best tool
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11:51.16gocuchocolateI am going to install debian testing pakage
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11:52.11babilengocuchocolate: No, please don't do that. Just backport it yourself as detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" (mentioned that earlier)
11:52.23nevyndie7: so depending on your organisation, scale, risk appetite etc "best" changes
11:53.27gocuchocolatein backport is not powertop
11:53.39nevyndie7: also there's no best that covers all of installation, management, compliance/reporting, monitoring in one package
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11:54.24die7nevyn: what about chef can you recommend it?
11:54.42nevynI personally think chef is fundamentally broken
11:54.54gocuchocolatebabilen  : There is other way to install it updated?
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11:55.33die7nevyn: so you mean spacewalk/satelite shoud stay as solution?
11:55.36babilengocuchocolate: Did you read the <ssb> factoid? Please also re-read the "You can […] backport it yourself" part of an earlier message and pay close attention to the "yourself"
11:56.01babilengocuchocolate: And there I managed to misquote myself :)
11:56.10nevyndie7: no I mean to solve the whole problem you need more than satellite or chef/puppet
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11:56.45gocuchocolateI dont know how to do that
11:56.49babilengocuchocolate: The package is *not* in squeeze-backports, but you can create one yourself quite easily. Please note that powertop in sid is quite buggy and that it might or might not work.
11:57.08gocuchocolateand if I use this https://01.org/powertop/sites/default/files/downloads/powertop-2.0.tar.bz2
11:57.25die7nevyn: can you give me some points pls
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11:57.34nevyndie7: in my view you need ticketing, event managenet (nagios) capacity management (ganglia/munin) configuration managment (puppet/chef) orchestration etc
11:58.08die7nevyn: nagios, munin, monit is alrready in use
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11:58.35babilengocuchocolate: Then you use software that is completely unrelated to Debian. You surely can do that, but I would still recommend the Debian package. I am also not convinced that the problems with powertop are related to Debian's packaging, but guess that you'll have the same problems with the version from upstream. All that being said: Please make sure that you install locally compiled software to /usr/local
11:58.50die7nevyn: also fog server in test-phase
11:58.58babilengocuchocolate: Installation to /usr/local are convieniently managed with stow btw -- See "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage"
11:59.47gocuchocolatehow can I built it on a .deb?
12:00.01abrotmangocuchocolate: /msg dpkg nmg
12:00.09abrotmanbut powertop is already in Debian
12:00.19abrotman!tell gocuchocolate about uupdate
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12:04.09nevyndie7: so... what's the problem you want to solve?
12:04.17sulhHi. When installing a metapackage, can I tell apt to show the size of each individual package in addition to the total size?
12:04.57die7nevyn: system configuration as first, depoloyment of systems and patching
12:05.29nevyndie7: so what bit of system configuration?
12:05.49die7nevyn: services, security, user management
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12:06.14nevynok
12:06.20die7nevyn: package deployment
12:06.37nevynthose are all things that play into the chef/puppet wheelhouse
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12:07.15nevynretrofit is HARD
12:07.33nsadminbarbie thought so too...
12:07.34die7nevyn: cool well I will try this twos since I really miss a knowledge about this topic
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12:08.36die7nevyn: but definitely I can not run manually anymore
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12:09.57nevyndie7: the problem is
12:10.35nevyndie7: introducing configuration management into an existing environment requires different skills of your sysadmins
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12:10.56die7nevyn: the problem is lack of skills in this area
12:11.26die7nevyn: but we have some exp
12:11.35nevyndie7: configuration management requires many more software devlopment type skills
12:12.09die7nevyn: sure but we need to go trough
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12:13.52gocuchocolatebabilen : worked ^^ One last question, can I install libre office 3.50 in debian? It have 3.4
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12:14.01sulhAlso, can I always be on 'testing' regardless of the current testing distribution being wheezy, effectively using Debian as a rolling-release? is it advisable to do so?
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12:14.32themillsulh: you're in for a rough ride just after a release
12:14.43babilengocuchocolate: Not yet on stable. You can, naturally, backport the sid package yourself.
12:14.45abrotmanjudd: versions libreoffice
12:14.46juddPackage: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.6-2; sid: 1:3.5.3-5; experimental: 1:3.5.4~rc2-1
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12:15.07hje841does anybody know about login-security? If I am to use the first countermeassur mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_attack Am I then supposed to store passwords in plaintext in my server database?
12:15.15sulhthemill: should I keep wheezy then and wait to upgrade when things stabilize? maybe just reinstall keeping /home?
12:15.24hje841not sure if it's the right place, but I think you guys a wise enough
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12:15.25die7nevyn: is there some cool howtos you can recommend ?
12:16.06lasers`sulh: Your call, really.
12:16.08themillsulh: reinstalling wouldn't be necessary. Yes, it's sometimes worth avoiding testing for a few months after a release.
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12:16.41sulhlasers`, themill: thanks.
12:16.42gocuchocolatebabilen : How can I do it?
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12:17.13babilengocuchocolate: "/msg dpkg ssb" ;)
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12:17.54babilengocuchocolate: Note that you will *not* receive automatic updates and that you have to make sure to keep that package up-to-date.
12:18.09gocuchocolateok, thanks
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12:20.09gocuchocolatebut it will take hours to compile
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12:20.41abrotmanhours to compile powertop ?
12:20.56gocuchocolateno, libre office
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12:23.28stephan48hi what would be the best way to contact the maintainers of ldap2bind/ldap2zone?
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12:25.54stummistephan48, depends on your issue
12:26.09stummito report a bug just send it to the bts
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12:27.14stummiif you have something, which may needs some closure (e.g. critical security bugs) you could write a mail to the adress which is defined in the maintainer-field of the package
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12:29.06stephan48stummi: i got a patch which fixes 2 bugs and enhances ldap2bind/ldap2zone featureset a bit
12:29.43stummistephan48, send it to the bts
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12:30.08stephan48k
12:30.20stummistephan48, or if it also aplies to the upstream you could send it there. Thats your decission i think
12:30.32wo0fwhat bnc is best?
12:30.41stephan48irssi+mod_proxy
12:31.00stummiwo0f, i had used znc for a while, thats ok
12:31.41stephan48actually it is for upstream, it fixes a bug which makes the ldap2bin script unable to work 1. when fetching records from another host(not localhost) 2. when a base is required(f.e. on multi DIT openldap setups)
12:31.52stummistephan48, as i see he asked for a bouncer, not an irc client
12:32.27stephan48you can run it as bouncer and as irc client
12:32.29wo0fstummi, stephan48 hmmm. im checking out shroudBNC, web interface looks like a nice feat.?
12:33.51wo0fstummi, stephan48 but its not in the repo :O
12:33.52xyHello, i upgraded my lenny machine to squeeze.
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12:34.09xynow, when running passwd, it asks for a "kerberos password"
12:34.22xywhat is that? and how can i disable that?
12:34.34wo0fnb. ( http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sbnc )
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12:34.58stephan48wo0f: sry didnt use sbnc for ages
12:35.13wo0fstephan48, is it decent?
12:36.52stephan48wo0f: sbnc?
12:36.55stephan48i cant tell
12:37.42wo0fstephan48, oh sry thought you were an x user
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12:38.15trungHi Debians
12:38.47trungI want to start using debian again and use cobbler to allow me to provision many systems
12:39.19die7trung: same to me
12:39.22trungShould i, 1) download the DVD images or are there some repositories i can reposync for use with the netinstall?
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12:41.47babilentrung: I would recommend to setup apt-cache-ng or approx on a server and use that for the installation. Mirroring the complete archive is typically not necessary. Another approach would be to use a common web proxy. See "/msg dpkg apt-cache-ng", "/msg dpkg approx", "/msg dpkg squid deb caching" for details.
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12:43.01arcskyhow can i check what filesystem a USB drive run? i have tried with fdisk -l /dev/sdc but i cant find anything intressting there
12:43.22frostschutzarcsky: file -s /dev/sdc*
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12:44.30nkuttlerarcsky: or just mount
12:44.43arcskyfrostschutz: /dev/sdc: 1023120
12:44.44arcsky/dev/sdc1: 1023119
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12:45.16trungbabilen: i prefer to download before hand. as most of the day i work without an internet connection
12:45.31trungso i'd like to download the whole i386 repository if possible
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12:46.12babilentrung: On how many machines do you want to install?
12:48.03jackwebbabilen: now there is no package to install using dist-upgrade; all packages have been installed; thanks :)
12:48.06babilentrung: But look into debmirror is you *really* want to download the complete archive. (Please be aware that you will download a lot of software that you will never use) -- using, say, DVD1 for the installation might make more sense.
12:48.15babilenjackweb: Wonderful, enjoy!
12:48.56lasers`babilen: /msg dpkg apt-cache-ng -> i don't know
12:49.20themilllasers`: apt-cacher-ng (extra r)
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12:49.25babilenlasers`: It is "apt-cacher-ng" (note the "r" in cacher) -- Thanks for pointing that out.
12:49.30babilentrung: ^^^
12:49.34lasers`Ah. Thanks. :)
12:49.40trungbabilen: unknown at the moment, i want to use it with cobbler
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12:50.15trungi dont mind if i have a lot of software i dont use
12:50.19themilltrung: please don't waste donated bandwidth on packages you're never going to install. I'm yet to see a machine with more than ~8% of the available packages installed on it.
12:50.47trungthemill: appreciate the advice
12:51.10trungfortunately my isp peers with the mirror
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12:51.24babilentrung: I would strongly recommend to run a caching proxy on the server that runs cobbler. It is *very likely* that you'll download the same set of packages over and over again. You can even use DVDs as the primary source if the cobbler server is not connected to the internet.
12:51.27trunghow are the dvd's split? what is in dvd 2?
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12:51.50babilentrung: They are split by popularity.
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12:51.54babilen!tell trung about cd content
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12:52.18trunginteresting
12:52.30trungbabilen: i think i'll try dvd1 and the apt-cacher u recommended
12:52.47stewwhy would you download a dvd image if you have a good network connection?
12:53.05stewdvd images are intended for delivering packages to machines with no network connection
12:53.07babilenstew: Apparently trung is offline "most of the day"
12:53.18stewoh
12:53.20trungat home i have a good network connection, but at on the move i tether to my mobile.. not something i want to be downloading packages over
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12:54.00trungso not exactly offline, but 'transfer conscientious'
12:54.11babilenBut I have to confess that I don't quite understand how "My ISP peers with the mirror" and "as most of the day i work without an internet connection" fits together.
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12:54.58babilentrung: How is you walking around with your personal machine related to the cobbler server and the initial installation?
12:54.59trungMy ISP at home peers with the the mirror, which gives me some of the fastest speeds i can access in my whole country. aus.
12:55.30trungI have cobbler on my laptop which i tether to at work which is not too speedy
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12:56.59babilentrung: Ok just to clarify: You have a server running at location A and it has good network connection. You want to install N machines at location A and your personal laptop is one of them. You want N-1 machines to be able to use a local mirror/archive proxy and your personal laptop to be able to install software when you are on the road? Is that correct?
12:57.04babilenargh
12:57.07trungbabilen: i want to learn about debian and the type of integration needed with cobbler as a 'one-stop-shop' for managing different linux distros for linux server installation/provisioning
12:57.28trungbabilen: sorry if i am not clear, let me try to clarify
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12:57.39babilentrung: I think I understand now
12:58.40trungi have everything on the laptop, and at home i have a good internet connection, i run virtualbox vm running cobbler on centos6. I use that to provision other vms,
12:58.57trungi want to provision debian systems now in a vm with virtualbox
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12:59.08stewtrung: you are going to run a debian mirror?
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12:59.11trungi want to be able to do that anywhere and play around with debian
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12:59.23ecksunHow can I check the installation/upgrade time of a package?
12:59.32stewecksun: /var/log/dpkg.log
12:59.41ecksunthank you :)
12:59.57trungstew: i am considering that.. but under advice here, it may not be required just yet. but maybe in the future
13:00.15stewtrung: note that a debian mirror chnages by multiple gigs every day
13:00.25trungstew: wow
13:00.37stewmaybe 15 gigs a day?
13:00.42trungi found that reposyncing centos-6 and epel, i am able pretty much yum install anything anytime and explore and learn
13:00.56trungstew: crazy
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13:01.22stewhttp://ftp-master.debian.org/size-quarter.png
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13:01.49trungstew: whats a dinstall?
13:01.53trungdebian install?
13:02.05stewthe script which copies new packages into the master archive
13:02.11trungwhat happened between april and may?
13:03.17trungstew: are mirror changes due to the sheer amount of packages ?
13:03.24stewyes
13:03.44trungare old package deleted?
13:03.49stew4 times a day
13:03.52trungexcuse me for my ignorance, it's a new world for me
13:04.35trungthat's a great graph
13:04.41arcskyIf i got an USB drive (/dev/sdc) with an image and i want to copy that image first to my pc and after that to next USB drive (/dev/sdd). is this correct 1. dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=myimage.img 2. mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdd1 3. d if=/myimage.img of=/dev/sdd1
13:04.48trungwhoever produces that, well done
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13:05.28xandarcsky: mfks is not needed.
13:05.43xandare the disks the same size?
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13:06.03arcskyxand: yes same size
13:07.05xandI would copy /dev/sdd rather than sdd1
13:07.09arcskybut i get dd: writing to `/dev/sdd1': Input/output error
13:07.35xandeg. dd if=/dev/sdd of=file ; dd if=file of=/dev/sdd
13:07.47xand(sorry first one should be sdc)
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13:12.50ChrisHarcsky: I assume you get the "dd: writing to `/dev/sdd1': Input/output error" becuase there is no partion named sdd1... use the sdc/sdd device files, which will duplicate the partiontable too.
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13:17.38trungshame, australian aarnet mirror does not offer dvd mirror downloads
13:17.40trung:(
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13:18.55trungactually i cant even find the packages it mirrors. poking around in http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/ i only found repo indexes, etc
13:19.00themilltrung: cd (and dvd) images are on different networks.
13:19.06themill+mirror
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13:19.39trungthemill: different networks? can you give me a pointer?
13:20.00stewtrung: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors
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13:20.04stummiarcsky, of you have both sticks plugged in you also could just do "dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd
13:20.20stummiwhich should take half the time
13:20.26trungof course.. shame, they dont offer the cd/dvd images
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13:20.34stew"cp /dev/sdc /dev/sdd" would probably be even faster
13:20.45themilltrung: packages are in "pool". BTW last time I looked, use of aarnet like that wasn't as free as you seem to be implying it to be.
13:20.55babilentrung: :0 w
13:20.55babilen* ^List-Id: .*<level1people.inf.ed.ac.uk>
13:20.55babilen| $LDA -m ed.inf-general
13:21.00babilengna!
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13:21.04stummistew, realy? didn't knew yet that something like this works
13:21.09babilenapologises :-/
13:21.27trungthemill: aarnet peers with many aussie isps
13:21.43stewstummi: sure, and it attempts to actually be smart about the blocksize, instead of yours which uses a 512 byte blocksize
13:21.47trungincluding my isp, so it's unmetered
13:21.53babilentrung: That should have been http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-dvd/ (as an exmaple for an australian mirror that carries DVDs)
13:22.19steware you suggesting mirroring the debian archive using procmail ‽
13:22.22trungahh yes, iinet, not unmetered for me..
13:22.33trungsilly really, in australia we don't have unlimited transfer
13:22.39themilltrung: you can use jigdo to pull the .debs from aarnet and spin your own dvds if you want. Still don't know why you want to do that...
13:22.42stummistew, if i would had to guess i head said this will just override the device-node-file. But there are always new thinks to learn :)
13:22.43trungdon't be shocked
13:23.10babilenstew: Hehe :)
13:23.13trungthemill: interesting idea. i'll stick to the dvd approach for now :D
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13:23.31stewstummi: you can even just cat one onto the other, they all just do the same thing, "open both files, copy bytes until you run out of room on destination or run out of bytes on the source"
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13:24.20trungso jigdo is kind of like bittorrent but you can specify exactly where u want to download from, is this correct?
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13:25.33caraconanGood evening. I have in my /etc/apt/sources.list following line: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free . After an 'aptitude update' I tried 'sudo aptitude -t squeeze-backports install guestfish' but the package is not there. Any clue about how to install this package from backports? Thanks
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13:26.04PerfDavecaraconan: If it's not in the backports repo, you can't install it from the backports repo :)
13:26.13dvscaraconan: paste the output of "apt-cache policy guestfish"
13:26.24caraconansure 1 sec
13:26.41caraconanguestfish:
13:26.42caraconan<PROTECTED>
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13:27.25stewthat seems misguided
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13:27.41dvs!paste
13:27.42dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
13:27.46caraconan@dvs http://pastebin.com/WYL73Eyb
13:27.47altincan anyone suggest a vpn client for vpn connections in debian
13:27.47babilenjudd v guestfish
13:27.48juddPackage: guestfish on i386 -- wheezy: 1:1.16.21-1; sid: 1:1.18.0-1
13:28.00babilencaraconan: guestfish is not in bdo ^^^
13:28.00altinI will be using it for sms gatway
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13:28.14stewcaraconan: backports is a subset of the testing packages which are recompiled for stable.  guestfish is not a member of that subset.  however, you already have the testing package installed anyway
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13:28.46stewcaraconan: if you are running stable, you shouldn't have a testing pacakge installed, if you are running testing, its pointless to try to install from squeeze-backports
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13:29.11syllopsiumafternoon. Where's the log for the software update? I'm installing 414 updates and it's taking damned ages
13:29.35stewsyllopsium: /var/log/dpkg.log (and /var/log/aptitude if you are using aptitude)
13:29.40caraconan@stew thanks for the info
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13:29.54babilencaraconan: Please note that mixing stable and testing is not recommended. A saner approach would be to backport guestfish yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb", but you need to backport and install febootstrap before you can do that.
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13:30.25babilencaraconan: Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net please?
13:30.46syllopsiumstew: it appears to not have done anything since 13:10...
13:30.52PerfDavealtin: OpenVPN?
13:31.16altinPerfDave, ok im using this link http://library.linode.com/networking/openvpn/ubuntu-10.04-lucid#sph_configure-public-key-infrastructure-variables
13:31.24babilencaraconan: And the @ is typically not used on IRC. (this is not twitter) -- Just suffix nicknames with ":"
13:31.26syllopsiumit's logging the packages I've manually installed, but nothing from the system update tool
13:31.28altinbut I dont seem to figure out how to do the connection
13:31.32stewsyllopsium: nothing is going to be logged until a package is actually upgraded/installed/removed.  its not going to log progress of downloading a package, for instance
13:31.35PerfDavealtin: Are you using Ubuntu?
13:31.41altinI already reached Connect to the OpenVPN
13:31.48altinno im on Debian squeeze
13:32.02altinI just started the server but now I dont know how to do the connection
13:32.05PerfDavealtin: I'd use the OpenVPN docs that come with Debian then in /usr/share/doc/openvpn
13:32.17syllopsiumwell, that's a bit of a problem since it's only saying 'running'
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13:32.33caraconanbabilen: http://paste.debian.net/172189/
13:32.34syllopsiumand if I look at details it says 'This is a test update, and is not designed for normal use. Please report any problems or regressions you encounter.'
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13:33.00die7altin: check here http://jasminklipic.blogspot.de/2012/05/openvpn-debian-squeeze.html
13:33.44babilencaraconan: How did you install guestfish on your system?
13:33.54syllopsiumquits the update and restarts it
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13:34.11stewsyllopsium: what tool are you using to attempt an update?
13:34.23caraconanI download the .deb from the web, then dpkg -i, but missing dependencies and I don't want to go ahead
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13:36.01babilencaraconan: Ok -- Please do *not* download random .debs from the internet and install them manually as this will break your system. The sane way of installing software that is not (yet) in backports, but in testing is to backport it yourself. The process is detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb", but you have to backport (and install!) "febootstrap" before you can backport/install guestfish.
13:36.19babilencaraconan: I would recommend to purge guestfish with dpkg now and take it from there.
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13:36.42caraconanYes, I already did it. Many thnaks for the tip about backport, I'll have a look
13:36.51babilenHave fun :)
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13:37.48syllopsiumstew: 'software update' off gnome. it doesn't appear to be very good. would 'aptitude safe-upgrade' be a better bet?
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13:38.01stewsyllopsium: yes
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13:38.26sshmeHi. How to change user's initial group using command?
13:38.43syllopsiumta.. that's a vast improvement
13:38.50ksksshme: man aduser?
13:39.11mjtit can't be done by adduser
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13:39.30mjtbut can be using usermod
13:39.48die7sshme: usermod
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13:40.05sshmemjt I am trying to do it with usermod, but I keep failing.
13:40.16sshmeCan you deliver command + argument?
13:40.22mjthm. usermod chgrp's files in user's homedir. is this really safe?
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13:40.43mjt..no it is not.
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13:41.25die7sshme: sure usermod -g groupname username
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13:42.00sshmedie7: thanks.
13:42.10die7sshme: ;)
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13:43.06sshmedie7: the output is 'usermod: without changes'
13:43.31sshmeI am trying to set one user's initial group as others.
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13:44.05die7sshme: user is already in the group?
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13:44.35oo_sevenI have only ssh access to my server, how can I select which kernel I want to reboot to after restart? (sorry for asking again, I got disconnected)
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13:45.03die7sshme: to change initial group use command as send, for additionall group use -a -G Group user
13:45.18die7oo_seven: edit /etc/default/groub
13:45.24timemageoo_seven, in that case, you don't.
13:45.25sshmeDamn, mostly strange. The group is already changed.
13:45.30sshmeThanks anyway!
13:46.02die7timemage: ?
13:46.24die7timemage: he can change it
13:46.31mjtthere's also grub-set-default iirc.  /etc/default/grub is processed by update-grub, not by the bootloader code
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13:47.05die7timemage: exactly
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13:49.33timemagedie7, sure he can change his configuration files.  somehow, i think he knows that.
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13:50.30die7timemage: sure, also kexec is one solution in running system
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14:11.40altincan anyone tell me how to connect to a cisco vpn server
14:11.44znullhello, any ideea why is wrong with my /var partition? http://paste.debian.net/172195/
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14:13.06stummiznull, what an fs is /var?
14:13.07altinbecause I have here some info/parameters  that are not in openvpn configuration files (IKE parameters)
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14:13.08brehi all
14:13.16stewaltin: use the vpnc package
14:13.18iateadonuti run iostat constantly and keep the output in a logfile
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14:13.26iateadonutis there a better way to check on my resources?
14:13.32iateadonutalso, is there a log for 'free'
14:13.38altinstew can I please have more specific help if possible !?
14:13.42stewaltin: openvpn only useful for connecting to openvpn servers
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14:13.46fairwayI would like to point my domain www.mydomain.com to my debians IP's adress running apache2 on port 80. do I need to signup for nameservers?
14:14.01stewaltin: there is a package named vpnc, which specifically exists for connecting to cisco vpn servers
14:14.58stewaltin: after installing it see /usr/share/doc/vpnc/README.Debian.gz .../README.gz first
14:15.07babilenaltin: I'd recommend to take a look at network-manager-vpnc-gnome if you use network-manager
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14:15.47altinbabilen, no im on cli
14:16.00babilenaltin: Ok, follow stew's advice in that case.
14:16.48stewaltin: you'll want to copy /etc/vpnc/default.conf to /etc/vpnc/myrouter.conf and uncomment and edit the relevant parameters.  then "vpnc-connect myrouter" to connect, "vpnc-disconnect myrouter" to disconnect
14:17.07stewor I suppose you can just edit default.conf and use vpnc-connect and vpnc-disconnect
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14:17.57znullhello, any ideea why is wrong with my /var partition? http://paste.debian.net/172195/  :) thanks
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14:18.31stewznull: my guess is that there are deleted files which are still open
14:18.44stummiznull, which fs is that?
14:18.45stewznull: which i'll further guess are logfiles which you deleted, but are still being written to
14:19.22stewznull: if you delete a file that some process has open (like a daemon writing to a logfile), the file isn't actually removed from disk until the file is closed
14:19.44stewznull: perhaps check "lsof | grep -i deleted"
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14:20.41znullstew: true:) logs from nginx it seems logratate does not rotate thse
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14:21.14altinstew, thanks a lot I will try it now
14:21.18stewznull: if nginx is writing to a deleted logfile, i'd try sending it a HUP and if that didn't work, actually restart it
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14:23.06znullstew : also what is this? since i upgraded from 5.0 to 6.0 http://paste.debian.net/plain/172197
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14:24.23stewznull: i don't know, i'd check to see what the parent process is
14:25.47stewperhaps mlocate or similar
14:26.23themilldon't think mlocate runs as nobody though -- might be old findutils locate
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14:27.35themillznull: given the start time, I'd look in /etc/cron.daily/*locate
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14:30.50sulhHi. I'm having a bug with text rendering in Xorg where the text is distorted (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666998). As a fix, downgrading libcairo from squeeze backports is suggested as a temporal workaround. I've added backports to sources.list, how do I install libcairo from it and pin the package?
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14:32.29valerieI have a laptop with two OS: Linux and Windows.  I want to install Debian Wheezy instead of Linux, which is there now.  Can it be done safely?  Any precautions I need to take, besides not deleting partition with NTFS ?
14:32.31ThunderTree1Hi all, Can someone tell me: i have created a package to create other packages during the install process. Can a package install other packages during its process? I know of course i can use dependencies to install them first, but i am using the package to compile the sources and create a package from other things - if that makes sense...
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14:32.51stewsulh: "aptitude install -t squeeze-backports libcairo2", i don't believe there would be no reason to pin it
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14:33.40ThunderTree1valerie: should be straight forward enough. Like you said - just dont delete the ntfs partition :-)
14:34.12valerieThunderTree1, thanks, just wanted to make sure
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14:34.19sulhWouldn't pinning it to that old version prevent problems with future updates? (I'm new to Debian)
14:34.40ThunderTree1valerie: Back important stuff up first is always good though. Too late, your gone.
14:35.16stewsulh: the default without additional pinning would be to allow future updates from backports, if an updated libcairo2 is added to backports, would you want to update or stick with the version you are about to install?
14:35.32stewThunderTree1: I don't believe it would be possible for a package being installed to install other packages
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14:35.45ThunderTree1stew: thanks mate.
14:36.03stewThunderTree1: since the dpkg lock files will obviously be held
14:36.28babilenlikes the "Debian Wheezy instead of Linux" part :)
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14:36.36stewThunderTree1: this is all sounding kinda gross.  the packages cannot be compiled beforehand?
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14:36.53ThunderTree1stew: Yeah, thats my problem at the moment. Wondered if there was a no-lock option or something else someone had as a work around.
14:37.06stewThunderTree1: i suppose you could schedule the packages for a later install using the dselect mechanism
14:37.28stewbut then something would have to actually trigger them to be actually installed
14:37.35ThunderTree1stew: Yeah, i know its a bit rubbish. Its used in deployment. So it could be compiled on whatever system and will work on deployment.
14:37.50stewactually, probably --set-selections is giong to have the same problem
14:38.16ThunderTree1stew: yeah - i'd need an external non-.deb to finish it off.
14:38.27ThunderTree1stew: i could just use that script to do it all i guess. lol.
14:40.03sulhstew: I would like to keep the backport until a new fixed libcairo is in Wheezy if that's possible.
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14:40.39stewsulh: wait, what version of debian are you running?
14:40.54sulhstew: Wheezy.
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14:41.28stewsulh: backports are just wheezy packages recompiled for squeeze.  if you are runing wheezy, there is no point in using backports
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14:42.26sulhstew: the version of both packages is different (the one in Wheezy and the one in backports). The one in backports doesn't have the bug where the text is distorted.
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14:43.10themillsulh: is this working? I'd have thought the package from snapshots.d.o was more appropriate than the one from backports.d.o
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14:44.14ricalanyone had problems with libvirt and user permissions in debian testing? Trying to start a machine as a user and its refusing to create tun interface if I'm not root
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14:45.23ricalI can't figure out what is actually trying to create them. I'm gussing it's not tunctl in the libvirt case
14:45.27davidgulHi
14:45.38sulh(well, that was an unfortunate disconnection, sorry)
14:45.53davidgulSome one can give me intel graphics 3000 driver for debian?
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14:47.59ThunderTree1rical: actually, its probably this....
14:48.09ThunderTree1when you switching to root, your just doing su root right?
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14:48.47ThunderTree1try using su - root instead.
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14:49.52dvsdavidgul: You shouldn't need an external driver for HD 3000 video
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14:52.04ricalThunderTree1: I'm doing sudo virsh ...
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14:52.25ThunderTree1rical: dont. su into root with the -
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14:52.45ricalso you thing it has something to do with my enviroment, not the actuall permissions?
14:52.49ThunderTree1yep.
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14:53.09ricalstill, I don't want to be root when running it
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14:53.13davidgulDvs : the problem is that when i connect teo two monitors it says that the monitor is unknow and show the say pic on both the monitors
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14:53.46ricalthe virsh daemon is running as root, I would love if that would be enough
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14:54.04ThunderTree1rical: well, you can start there perhaps. I could be wrong. But at least you know.
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14:54.20stewdavidgul: what is the exact error? what do you do to produce the error? where do you see the error?
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14:55.14ricalThunderTree2: Hm, strange sudo -E virsh ... don't look for my machine in ~
14:55.24davidgulNot sure
14:55.26ricalmight be something broken here
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14:55.55davidgulI just plugged them in
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14:56.15stewdavidgul: where did you see the error?
14:56.41davidgulIs says that its unkown when i try to confogure them
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14:56.57stewdavidgul: exactly what says exactly what?
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14:57.01davidgulIn gnome
14:57.22stewgnome says what?
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14:57.50davidgulIt has a red box on yhe top left with unknown
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14:58.01davidgulBpth mpnotors
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14:58.09dizzylizzyi have been using 'ifconfig' to find out my local subnet IP, but it's annoying to have to log in as the super user in order to do this. What is the best way to find this information as a normal user?
14:58.13stewdavidgul: so you plug in a monitor, and a red box pops up that says nothing but "unknown" in it?
14:58.29themilldizzylizzy: /sbin/ifconfig (or use "ip")
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14:58.32petemcdizzylizzy: use the full path to ifconfig
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14:59.10davidgulWhen i lainch the comfig utility
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14:59.54davidgulYes stew
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15:00.16ThunderTree2dizzylizzy: add it to your path
15:00.24davidgulThe image is cloned on the two monitors
15:00.25stewdavidgul: can you put the output of "xrandr" into a pastebin?
15:00.33davidgulSure
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15:01.12davidgulWait i fony
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15:02.11davidgulI dont hane internet connected
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15:02.51stewdavidgul: what is your native language?
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15:03.28davidgulIt says failed to get size of gamma for output default
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15:04.29davidgulI write from my phone
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15:05.53stewdavidgul: does xrandr list multiple monitors as being "connected"?
15:06.00stewif so, which?
15:06.17stewperhaps "xrandr | awk '/ connected/{print $1}'"
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15:08.29davidgulNo it only show screen 0
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15:09.15outlaw84I am running a grep command on a bunch of files, it there someway to get grep open theses files for me in some editor? but like only the files that matched my search0
15:09.17stewit doesn't show ANY connected monitors?
15:09.18outlaw84?
15:09.54davidgulIs shows only one
15:10.12davidgulScreen 0
15:10.30stewoutlaw84: perhaps "grep -l <pattern> <listoffiles> | xargs editor" ?  some editors might be ornery about the tty
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15:10.38stewdavidgul: that's a screen not a monitor
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15:11.01davidgulWhats the difference
15:11.36stewdavidgul: a monitor is a physical thing that sits on your desk.  a screen is a local partition of your x display which groups a bunch of x clients
15:11.48stew^local^virtual
15:11.59outlaw84stew: hum, I already inside a find command, du you think the | xargs should be after the "-exec grep .... \;" or before the \;"?
15:12.17davidgul2 monitors and only 1 screen
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15:12.41stewoutlaw84: pipe a list of files to xargs.  if grep is listing matches, grep -l will make it list files instead of matches
15:12.55stewoutlaw84: so, after
15:13.12themilloutlaw84: be careful about filenames with spaces in them when you're doing this sort of thing.
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15:13.26outlaw84stew: both combinations give "Mottog SIGHUP eller SIGTERM
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15:13.46outlaw84stew: "find . -name '*.php' -exec grep -Hi ' split(' {} \; | xargs nano"
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15:14.28stewdavidgul: what are they called?  perhaps something like VGA1 and LVDS1 ?
15:14.46davidgulJust screen 0
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15:15.42stewwhat did you mean by "< davidgul> 2 monitors and only 1 screen" ?
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15:15.53stewi thought that was somehting you determined fromthe output of xrandr
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15:16.49revilhi guys! Can the iceweasel browser (whezy) playback html5 video with the h264 codec, after maybe some non-free codec installatioon?
15:16.58davidgul2 screens physically but sees only 1
15:17.02stewdavidgul: mine looks like: http://paste.debian.net/172206/ for example.  does yours really stop after the first line?  do you not have any lines saying "connected"?
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15:18.35stewrevil: yes, it can play html5 video with h264
15:19.04themilloutlaw84: "find . -name '*.php' -exec grep -li ' split(' {} + | xargs nano" is more likely what you want. But still... be careful of things with spaces in them. "rgrep -l ' split(' ." might be even simpler for you depending on whether you really need that find. (also, see ack-grep if what you're trying to do is avoid .svn directories)
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15:19.07revilstew, should it thus be able to play youtube html5?
15:19.10Doobie-420i'd just like to say how much I love debian, that is all
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15:19.43stewrevil: it can
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15:20.12davidgulBrb
15:20.25outlaw84themill: I keep getting "SIGTERM" back on that command :P
15:20.41revilstew, consider this sample video. In my case it doesn't play it.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q2T4SMY8i8 where do you think i should tart trouble shooting?
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15:20.59nsadminliver?!
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15:21.32outlaw84themill: I have never seen such thing, It just gives me "Received SIGHUP or SIGTERM" and the command terminates :P
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15:21.36davidgulHello
15:21.44davidgulAh, finally I'm on my computer
15:21.46nvzrevil: idk but for me youtube is flash, and requires flash player
15:21.51davidgulAnyway as I was saying it doesn't have a name
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15:22.12davidgulIt just says Screen 0
15:22.13revilnvz, it offers an option to use html5
15:22.22davidgulSeems like I'm lacking drivers.
15:22.24revilnvz, try youtube.com/html5
15:22.32stewrevil: hmm, now I'm confusing myself, and I'm no longer sure
15:22.43themilloutlaw84: might be that nano doesn't like that.... can't say I've ever used it that way. You could invert the command to have "nano $(find .... stuff ...)"
15:22.43Doobie-420yes, the youtube.com/html5 worked for me as well
15:22.48ThunderTree2revil: are you using gnash or adobe?
15:22.52revilstew, so it doesn't play it back with you, either?
15:23.19stewrevil: no, it works for me
15:23.21Sc0rianive tried to install phpize on debian6.. i have php5-dev installed but it just says "Cannot find config.m4."
15:23.45stewrevil: sorry, i started trying to look at the page to verify that i was really watching via html5 and saw some refrences to flash and got confused
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15:23.50nvzrevil: ah.. well it plays for me.
15:24.15themilloutlaw84: yeah, nano doesn't like that. vim will do it with complaints. Use either the "editor $(...) " or a shell loop construct for it.
15:24.24stewrevil: but it plays for me using html5
15:24.30revilnvz, does it play the video in an html5 player?
15:24.44reviloh.. :( I must do some troubleshooting then..
15:24.56revilMay i inquire the version of your firefox?
15:25.07stewSc0rian: is build-essential installed?  did you run "apt-get build-dep php5-dev" ?
15:25.08outlaw84themill: I used kate now and it worked :)
15:25.13outlaw84themill: thanks
15:25.14ThunderTree2revil: guessing iceweasel...
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15:25.30stewrevil: i'm using iceweasel 10.0.4esr-3
15:25.31themilloutlaw84: yeah, kate will fork off to an existing session if you want too.
15:25.44Iridosoutlaw84, it would be more useful if you said what you want to  do with the files... but fwiw
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15:26.09Iridosfor i in $(find . -name '*.txt' -exec grep -il ' s' {} +) ; do echo nano "$i"; done
15:26.35revilpurges pulseaudio to reinstall: the no 1 suspect
15:26.51outlaw84Iridos: I wanna replace split with explode in php but I wanna to do it manually to make sure that it does not replace some thing wrong
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15:27.16outlaw84Iridos: since split became deprecated :S
15:27.20Iridosoutlaw84, use sed to replace, then check afterwards?
15:27.50Iridosactually can just as well check beforehand that all lines are exactly what you expect them to be
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15:28.13Sc0riani have installed both stew
15:28.16Sc0rianbut it still says it
15:28.21stewhugs his emacs and M-x rgrep
15:28.45Sc0rianmy end point is to have php-pecl-json installed
15:28.50nvzrevil: on chrome yeah.. firefox says it doesnt have h264
15:28.52Sc0rianbut it needs phpize to install json
15:28.54outlaw84Iridos: that would be best, but it seams a bit to dangerous :/
15:29.20stewi'm not sure I want to know what phpize is
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15:30.11Iridosoutlaw84, nope
15:30.28Sc0rianhttp://pastie.org/4002351 stew
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15:30.38Iridosmore dangerous to do 100 edits manually and get bored after edit 20
15:30.44Iridosbut suit yourself
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15:31.10outlaw84Iridos: how would this command that you are suggesting look?
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15:31.31tgs3what tool should be used to most simply send small text email to given address?
15:31.35tgs3sendmail?
15:31.47stewSc0rian: is what you are trying to install different than what you'd get by installing the php-services-json package?
15:31.48RayStarhello
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15:31.54mjtecho text | mail -s foobar add@re.ss
15:32.08tgs3mjt: I don't have to have email server running to do that?
15:32.09RayStari need some help with a driver
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15:32.19mjttgs3: yes
15:32.21RayStarsomeone can help me?
15:32.43tgs3do I need exim4 or alike to receive local-mails, like the ones sent from cron and readable by "mail" cmd?
15:32.45stewRayStar: not without more information
15:32.52RayStarok ok
15:33.21mjttgs3: there are simpler alternatives. like nullmailer for example
15:33.24nvztgs3: need nullmailer minimum, and its required that you have an MTA to run a POSIX system, regardless
15:33.32nvzits not like you have the option of not using one.. heh
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15:33.59RayStari have debian squeeze 6.0.4 amd64
15:34.03mjtexcept of cron messages modern desktop system does not use/need mta
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15:35.08tgs3so.. just for 1) sending real emails to like gmail.com  2) delivering mails locally, like from cronjob to 'mail' of user  - can I have NONE exim4/mta at all, or should I install nullmailer
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15:35.26zinxtgs3: nullmailer or such
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15:35.50themilloutlaw84: I don't know that you'd be able to automagically turn split() into preg_split() there unless you are always splitting with the same characters so you can also replace the pattern too. (I assume you have this all in a version control system of some description so that you can revert attempts that don't quite work ;)
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15:36.08tgs3thanks zinx nvz mjt
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15:36.26RayStarand my video device is integrated the hardinfo information a read SIS 661 741 760 and i was wondering where can i found the driver
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15:36.39tgs3On one of computers ctrl-S is enabling ScrollLock in virtual terminal. huh? how to disable this?
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15:38.06TehRabbitt-Workanyone here have experience working with cacti and rrdtool?
15:38.15JordiGHI tried a simple sid backport of llvm-3.0, but now I have all of the llvm binaries with -3.0 appended to their name. I thought alternatives was supposed to setup appropriate symlinks, but I don't see them. Should I have done something special during the backport to get the update symlinks?
15:38.21stewtgs3: stty -ixon
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15:38.23tgs3zinx, I uninstalled exim4 on debian stable and still cron IS able to deliver messages to my user. So after all maybe it is not required to have any mt even nullmailer
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15:38.25JordiGHThe alternatives symlinks?
15:38.31nvzTehRabbitt-Work: I'm thinking you might, and perhaps even have a question about it
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15:39.05TehRabbitt-Worknvz: well yes, I was wondering what would cause graphs not to show up on a fresh install
15:39.06stewTehRabbitt-Work: just assume yes and get to the part where you ask your question
15:39.24outlaw84themill: yea, I don't think it could be safely don't automagically, sometimes you just need to get down for some manuall work :P atleast the site is working again :D
15:39.25TehRabbitt-WorkInstalled all required dependencies / using lighttpd as the httpd server
15:39.29zinxtgs3: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
15:39.46tgs3stew: that helped, thanks.  I wonder why only this 1 computer has this behaviour... maybe it's locales choosen in install
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15:39.54TehRabbitt-Workthe pages load, the poller (spine) runs...  permissions are all good...  but graphs just dont' show up
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15:40.08RayStarand my video device is integrated SIS 661 741 760 and i was wondering where can i found the driver? or if can i use this https://vejeta.sdf-eu.org/sis/
15:40.17tgs3zinx: exim4-daemon-light
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15:40.24zinxtgs3: so you have exim4 on that
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15:40.46tgs3nullmailer would be (a bit) more secure then exim4 to have?
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15:41.14zinxa bit less complexity, doubt anyone knows about security at this time :)
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15:42.12tgs3zinx: it asks me about mailname. it can be anything made up I guess?
15:42.33zinxidk i use exim and postfix tbqh
15:42.34stewRayStar: i'd guess you can find a driver in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/drivers/video/sis/sisfb.ko
15:42.43stewRayStar: and another in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/sis_drv.so
15:42.49stewRayStar: what are you actually trying to do?
15:42.59tgs3zinx: and nullmailer asks me about list of *remote* hosts to use.. huh. I guess I will back to exim4 too then
15:43.08ThunderTree2tgs3: i like nullmailer
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15:44.17tgs3thundertree2: I need only to send mails simply to say gmail  and otherwise to send/receive ONLY locally. would nullmailer be better for this considering security and removing not needed funcitons
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15:45.12RayStarexample i was trying play tuxracer and run 5 fps the same situatiation with other games
15:45.30tgs3raystar what card you have?
15:45.34ThunderTree2tgs3: yeah, but you need to point nullmailer to a mailserver to send the messages.
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15:46.13ThunderTree2i use it for example on alerting software, so it can send me things if something happens.
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15:46.39tgs3ThunderTree2: why you prefer it over just exim4 and mail?
15:47.09ThunderTree2tgs3: cos its really easy to install, and it works very cleanly.
15:47.17Miesco_A lot of libraries are not working for me: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, but I have that file, what should I do?
15:47.21tgs3I see
15:47.48ThunderTree2Miesco_: its in your library path?
15:48.05stewThunderTree2: its not and it shouldn't be in his library path
15:48.31ThunderTree2gets back in his box
15:48.45tharkunIs there some caveat to be taken care of when logrotate.conf is beeing modidfied. Will it get overwritten when a security update is needed?
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15:49.02RayStartgs3: "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter"  i use lspci
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15:49.06stewThunderTree2: sorry, i spent a lot of time with him already, and someone else wasted a bunch of time going down the path that you were about to go down, just trying to save everyone the effort :)
15:49.14n-iCehello
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15:49.34ThunderTree2stew: haha, its cool. Just saw the message - didnt realise :-D
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15:50.14stewThunderTree2: its loaded from /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so
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15:51.08stewThunderTree2: but not via the normal ld.so path afaict.  i don't see it in ldd /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin nor do I see that in ldconfig -p
15:51.23stewbut I do see that firefox-bin has it loaded
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15:53.20stewMiesco_: can you show us the output of 'ldconfig -p'? and the output of 'cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*'?
15:53.28stewi think you had just the single i486 file in there
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15:54.42tgs3RayStar: sorryI dont know much about this card... if nothing helps, write mailing lists. Debian. Maybe xorg. As last resort LKML list
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15:55.50Miesco_http://pastie.org/4002491
15:55.55RayStarok thanks
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15:56.02Miesco_stew: THats ldconfig -p
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15:57.17prsnI need to copy a large amount of text from an annoying javascript popup thingy on a webpage, and I don't know any other way to do it
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16:16.08arietiswhat's best way to reformat xfs to ext4?
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16:28.40stewarietis: are you trying to preserve data on the xfs filesystem?
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16:29.06arietisstew: i have nothing important on it so i'm ok to lose data
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16:29.53stewarietis: then why not just "mkfs.ext4 /dev/whatever" (make sure you have the correct /dev/whatever, of course)
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16:30.17tgs3arietis: well simpliest is to just reformat it.  what stew said, and unmount it first
16:30.37tgs3doubt there is any in place reformat, thats just for some ext conversions
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16:31.48arietisok, thanks
16:32.01arietisall my hd movies are gone :'(
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16:32.28arietisi just hope my external hdd will work now
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16:33.36blubberdiblubfstransform can convert filesystems in place (you'll still need to unmount them, of course)
16:33.56arietisi suppose i need a lot of memory for it
16:33.57ThunderTree2blubberdiblub: lol - bit late ;-)
16:34.44ThunderTree2real insteresting to know. Didnt realise that existed.
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16:35.17blubberdiblubit surfaced only recently in debian's repository, as far as i remember correctly
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16:36.06ThunderTree2blubberdiblub: will remember that. Sounds scarey!
16:36.54blubberdiblubin principle it's a bit like defragmenting a filesystem
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16:48.16Ryccardo|XFCEThe Xfce4 terminal emulator is apparently ignoring my settings... (see https://gist.github.com/2844685 )
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16:49.10tableshow do i change the resolution of gnome that comes with normal debian netinst?
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16:49.48ThunderTree2tables: ctrl+alt and + - used to work. I think.
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16:50.24tgs3tables: also in top menu in gome there are settings.  or use program like xrandr or better grandr
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16:51.47tablesctrl + alt and + - doesn't work
16:52.02ThunderTree2tables: sorry :-) Used to long time ago, heh.
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16:52.38tableswhat's xrandr syntax?
16:52.47ThunderTree2man xrandr :-)
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16:54.42tgs3tables or just use grandr it has nice gui
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16:54.56edjuUnattended update.  When I returned, I'm asked for a "DECnet network node name".  It seems that's related to VMS, though developed for Linux also.  Can I just hit "cancel" and leace it at that?
16:55.09tgs3what is preffered way to install pgsql 9.1 on debian stable?
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16:57.16tgs3edju: DEnet network? Are we sure accidentailly you didnt isntalled time machine :)
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16:57.25tgs3DECnet
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16:58.51edjutgs3, I know, that's why "cancel" is the thing to do?  Unattended, so I don't know what file's asking.
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16:59.50edjuAccording to wikipedia, it was orphaned in 2010.
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16:59.57themilledju: you want to get rid of the dnet-common, dnet-progs, libdnet packages
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17:00.56themill,v postgresql-9.1 --release squeeze-backports
17:00.57juddPackage: postgresql-9.1 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 9.1.3-2~bpo60+1
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17:01.01themilltgs3: ^^
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17:01.23edjuthemill, Won't affect anything?
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17:01.44cibegthi
17:01.47themilledju: if you don't know what it is and what it's for, you certainly don't want it
17:02.47edjuthemill, OK, then I don't want it.  Thanks.
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17:04.21cibegthave a problem with a pdf file, produced by latex, and evince
17:05.08cibegturls in references aren't shown in evince but xpdf shows them
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17:06.05Moggetcibegt: 1: debian channel, not latex channel. 2: read the manual. the manual actually tells you why this is happening.
17:06.29Moggeterr. manual for linking package in latex
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17:06.54cibegtMogget: it's not a latex problem, but a evince or ?
17:07.07themillcibegt: what do you mean by "urls in references aren't shown"?
17:07.22Moggetcibegt: No, its the fact that you did not do as the manual for the linking package says probably.
17:07.45Moggetcibegt: put the linking package as low as possible in the loading part, then it should show on all readers.
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17:08.43Moggetcibegt: \usepackage{hyperref} needs to be as low in the preamble as possible or else some readers will overlap it.
17:08.44cibegtthemill: look at this:
17:08.56cibegtthemill: http://paste.debian.net/172228/
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17:10.56themillcibegt: that (non-minimal) example doesn't actually show me anything
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17:11.51cibegtthemill: i wanted to show references to you; i mean \cite{foo1} and \cite{bar1}
17:12.10themillsure, I know what references are. But what does  "urls in references aren't shown" mean?
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17:13.24cibegtthemill: how can i send the produced pdf file to you?
17:14.09themillyou could use wikisend.com
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17:16.50cibegtthemill: http://wikisend.com/download/931164/test.pdf
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17:18.26cibegtthemill: the urls are shown as dashed line in my evince
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17:19.11themillcan you pastebin a screenshot? What release of debian is this, btw?
17:19.48cibegti'm using wheezy
17:19.55cibegta moment please
17:20.06themillI wonder if you're another candidate for downgrading libcairo2
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17:21.17Black_Princelibcairo2 1.12 should work with latest nouveau and intel drivers. I am not sure for radeon tough.
17:21.31Black_PrinceSince 1.12 works fine with Intel and Nouveau on my setup.
17:21.45Black_PrinceBut it didn't work fine untill intel driver 2.19.0 I think
17:22.03Black_Princejudd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
17:22.04juddPackage: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.18.0-2+b1; sid: 2:2.19.0-1
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17:22.33Black_Princeso, if you have intel gpu and you are using wheezy, congrats ... you are affected by the bug
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17:23.46cibegtthemill: http://wikisend.com/download/303896/test.png
17:24.01themillBlack_Prince: hmm... didn't know it was that well fixed, considering it's come up 5 times today :(
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17:24.25cibegtthemill: i'm back after 30 min
17:24.40Black_Princeheh
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17:24.51Black_PrinceI got xf86-video-intel 2.19.0 announce mail
17:24.53themillcibegt: sounds like grabbing the appropriate package from http://snapshot.debian.org/package/cairo/1.10.2-7/#libcairo2_1.10.2-7 and then using dpkg -i would work for you.
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17:25.13Black_Princeand it was mentioned that bug that recent cairo triggered was fixed in that one
17:25.33Black_PrinceAlthrough, LFS guys mentioned that it happens with radeon cards too
17:25.35craigevilon sid no problems with libcairo2 on radeon
17:25.51Black_PrinceGood then ...
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17:26.02themillperhaps pulling the relevant driver package from sid is a better move than downgrading cairo for most users.
17:26.17Black_Princewell, possibly
17:26.19tgs3how to record a CD from iso in cmd line?
17:26.33tgs3there was cdrecord in cdrecord pack but it no longer exists
17:26.36craigevillibcairo2:  Installed: 1.12.2-2  Candidate: 1.12.2-2
17:26.39Black_Princetgs3: use genisoimage
17:27.07Black_Princecdrecord is part of Schilling's cdrtools which aren't in Debian for a long time
17:27.25stewa fork of cdrtools is instead
17:27.34Black_Princeyes .... cdrkit
17:27.41Black_Princeand it is wodim, I think ... not cdrecord
17:27.50stewyes
17:27.57tgs3so... what will allow me to simply <command> -disk-at-once foo.iso ?
17:28.06stewtgs3: if you have an iso, and you want to burn it to a cd "wodim foo.iso"
17:28.39tgs3stew: ok.  Would it not be a good idea to cdrecord be a dummy package pulling in wodim?
17:28.59tgs3aptitude search makes it hard to find cd recording app not using google or asking
17:29.26Black_Princealso, 6 more days untill intel xorg driver is in wheezy
17:30.36stewtgs3: i dunno.  i woulnd't want to poke the schilly
17:30.42Black_Princenewer one, that is
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17:34.04Black_Princegui programs!
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17:34.41Black_Princenot sure about bashburn and xcdroast tough
17:35.14themillhugs "axi-cache search interface::commandline cd"
17:35.16craigeviltgs3, a nice guide for cd/dvd burning without a GUI, http://manual.siduction.org/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm#burn-no-gui-gen
17:35.37craigevilaxi-cache?
17:35.45themill!axi-cache
17:35.46dpkgrumour has it, axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program.  It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>.  Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered.  It is found in the apt-xapian-index package.  Also ask me about <aptitude search>.
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17:36.10craigevilnifty learn something new everyday
17:36.17tgs3thx craigevil
17:36.23themillits tab completion is awesome... gives you search suggestions based on words and on tags associated with the words you've already used
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17:42.58tdruskns-admin: what do you mean?
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17:46.15Cyclohexaneanyone know any good software for playing around with permissions (ability to revert changes) or would you just say VM?
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17:46.27Cyclohexaneinvert*
17:47.27kevlarmanCyclohexane: there's unionfs and the like, but honestly just use a vm
17:48.17stewCyclohexane: perhaps cowdancer
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17:49.43kbeezieI'm trying to find the correct package for adding east-asian (CJK?) language support to debian squeeze so that when I have files on the system with those characters they don't just show up as ???
17:50.24blubberdiblubmost important would probably be a font supporting the language in question
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17:50.39kbeeziewell it's purely CLI , no X or such
17:50.56blubberdiblubwell, okay, then you'd still need a console font with CJK chars
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17:51.09blubberdibluband an application that understands the particular encoding
17:51.12kbeezieiTerm2 should I'd imagine
17:51.22kbeezieunless I gota use the correct terminal emulation mode
17:51.46kbeeziegot it doing utf8 as the character encoding
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17:52.59blubberdiblubless should be able to display utf-8 file for instance, given the correct font (and a complying terminal)
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17:53.30stewkbeezie: what is iterm2?
17:53.43kbeeziehttp://www.iterm2.com/
17:53.57stewkbeezie: you are running iterm2 in debian squeeze?
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17:54.04themillkbeezie: I think we're missing the #debian connection here
17:54.09kbeezieno running it on OSX, I'm logging into debian via iterm
17:54.13kbeezie<PROTECTED>
17:54.39stewkbeezie: this sounds like a problem with OSX, not with debian
17:54.48themillahh... so fonts on your VPS have nothing to do with this
17:54.49stewor iterm2 or whatever
17:54.53kbeezieie: if a file on the debian vps has hiragana/katakana in it, it shows up as ??? in an ls output
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17:55.13kbeezieI can choose other terminal modes than xterm if you know one that supposibly works
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17:55.34themillkbeezie: are the filenames encoded in utf-8 or in some other legacy encoding?
17:55.36kbeeziesince in SFTP it seems the character does show correct there so probably just a terminal issue
17:55.43kbeezieshould be utf8
17:55.57themillkbeezie: sounds like you probably just need to pick a better font for your terminal emulator then
17:56.09stewthat's what it sounds like to me too
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17:57.33kbeeziewill look at that route then
17:57.51blubberdiblubkbeezie, you can force less to interpret a file as utf-8 if you suspect it to interpret it wrongly ( LESSCHARSET=utf-8 less yourfile ), but your probablem is most probably client side, not on the side of the VPS
17:58.04blubberdiblub-ab
17:58.38kbeezie343\203\273 , shows I guess the char values for where it was showing ???
17:58.44themillkbeezie: check that you have a utf-8 locale on the VPS (check the output of "locale") and that you have told the terminal that it should use utf-8 too.
17:58.57kbeezieecho $LC_CTYPE was blank
18:00.07themillmacos terminals sometimes send some strange nonsense for locales over the ssh connection
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18:01.08kbeezieguess they had some stuff in the FAQ http://www.iterm2.com/#/section/faq , mainly to update ~/.inputrc for metas and such, but ya going look into it, I probably just need to setup locales correctly on both ends
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18:01.41themillLC_CTYPE is one of the ones that the standard mac terminal client screws up. No idea about this other one you're using
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18:02.48themillkbeezie: anyway, first check the font, then pursue harder things to fix... "/msg dpkg mac locales" for how we recommend people fix the normal mac terminal program.
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18:04.20kbeeziewell LC_CTYPE is what I echo'd on the debian side not local
18:04.27kbeeziein case there was confusion on that
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18:05.18stewkbeezie: its not uncommong for LC_CTYPE to be unset,  the output of "locales" is what you should look at
18:05.22stewuncommon*
18:05.43kbeezieif you mean this /etc/default/locale, it's just a one line comment
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18:06.54vovkavLadies and Gentlemen! Does anyone know of a best (short , concise just-enough) instructions for building debian binary packages out of "make install" software for internal use? (I know how to write control-files, still only have a slight knoledge of makefiles)
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18:07.37themillkbeezie: no, the output of the command "locale"
18:07.39recurvovkav: There's a debian mentors channel you might want to check out (If I'm reading your message correctly)
18:07.58recurWhenever I have debian packaging issues, I get pointed there :)
18:07.59kbeezieI fixed it
18:08.05kbeezieexport LANG=en_US.UTF-8
18:08.13kbeezieand it shows up correctly in an ls output
18:08.14themillvovkav: if make is enough, "checkinstall" might be all you need. Otherwise, /msg dpkg nmg
18:08.35themillkbeezie: yeah, so broken macos locales propagated over ssh again. Do what dpkg said about "mac locales" to make that permanent.
18:09.10kbeeziedon't see mac locals, I just did locales-all
18:09.56stewdpkg: tell kbeezie about mac locales
18:10.05themillkbeezie: no, your Mac iTerm2 thing is sending the local MacOS locales settings through ssh to the Debian VPS. Unfortunately, the data it sends isn't sane and that leaves everyone confused.
18:10.20kbeezieooh I see
18:10.29kbeezieie: it's not telling the other end correctly what I'm set for
18:10.35raptor67782<PROTECTED>
18:10.59themillssh is trying to be clever by propagating your locales settings etc. But what its propagating is nonsense.
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18:12.55kbeeziefor the moment I just put the export into .bashrc til I figure it out on my mac's end
18:13.07kbeeziesince I'm only ever accessing it via terminal
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18:14.04stewraptor67782: no, it requires kde (and note that got removed from debian this week and won't be part of future debian releases)
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18:18.22vovkavthemill recur:  is checkinstall suitable if I want to include resulting debs on a custom install CD (used internally only) ?
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18:19.03themillcheckinstall makes poor quality packages. If they are good enough for you, then that's fine.
18:19.15stewvovkav: its suitable for "i just need to hack together a low quality deb that will make things easier to remove or upgrade, but i'm not really trying to do this right"
18:19.43themillif it were as easy as using checkinstall, then a lot of us would have a lot more free time...
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18:21.02vovkavstew themill recur: aha, thanks. and what kind of quality problems are that? (I am competent to write a good control file, but other fields..)
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18:22.26themillsticks files in silly places and doesn't integrate nicely into the rest of the system are the most common problems. Not declaring proper conflicts/replaces/etc to allow for proper upgrade paths.
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18:23.15stewvovkav: there is a good chance that "make install" doesn't install the package in a way which is debian compliant.  there will be no maintainer scripts, so the package won't be able to do things like create users if it has to,  it won't be able to clean up any temporary/variable files it creates upon package purge.  it won't be handling config files properly
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18:31.47raptor67782by the way, do you know the debian channel /join ##debian-for-geeks ?
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18:32.53ePaxIm trying to mount sony ericsson vivaz on my debian but not getting any ttyusb* i can see on lsusb that phone is connectet but there is no tty created
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18:34.07vovkavstew themill recur: could checkinstall-fabricated files be helpful in the future to use debuild correctly? what are other tools that will help me to crete skeletons for debian/* ?
18:34.14sKeithsi have asked in gnome about my issues with Screen_is_not_locked_after_resume but the assist they gave me involved dconf-editor which i can't find.  any debian specific ideas?
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18:36.18raptor67782stew:  too bad :( would you know if there is sthg for VOIP command line without X11 layer installed?
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18:37.03raptor67782stew:  I have a sheevaplug and control it with remote control. I would like to have a SIP phone of this mini box (headless of course), so I need a system for SIP / VOIP lighweight ....
18:37.35raptor67782thats also why there is debian-for-geeks
18:37.52raptor67782for difficult stuffs, and not trivial, one could log to this advanced channel
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18:38.22raptor67782ePax: bluetooh or irda ?
18:38.40vovkavraptor67782: linphone-nox ?
18:38.47raptor67782ePax: with x11 or with command line you r trying?
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18:38.57teratornwhich shell is used for deb package install scripts?
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18:39.09raptor67782vovkav: thanks so but but it seems that lineephone-nox is not available without x11
18:39.38vovkavraptor67782: ?????
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18:39.54raptor67782vovkav: strange... lets give again a try ..
18:40.02raptor67782vovkav: do you use it already?
18:40.35vovkavraptor67782: had it installed on previous stable, do not remember if had a chance to use
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18:40.53raptor67782sounds ok with x11 actually
18:40.59raptor67782no x11 required ;)
18:41.04raptor67782I miss sthg maybe once
18:41.31raptor67782I am wondering if really libpulse0 is necessary
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18:41.45ePaxraptor67782, usb... now i got ttyACM0
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18:41.53raptor67782I guess that this should have been a mistake during making the DEB ... maybe it should be put to testing ... .
18:41.54stewteratorn: whatever /bin/sh points to (which is often dash, might be bash)
18:41.56drecutehello good people
18:42.00ePaxraptor67782, trying to send sms with gsmsendsms
18:42.12drecuteplease I need help with this: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.networking/browse_thread/thread/269336a7c8a4c5ab
18:42.27teratornstew: well, the shell will run in "sh"-compat mode regardless, I assume?
18:42.28raptor67782ePax: I did it once with irda at that time (and no x11 required)
18:42.50teratornso standard POSIX sh is the only reasonble target for a deb pkg install/rm script?
18:43.07stewteratorn: yes, all scripts must be strictly posix by policy
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18:43.25ePaxraptor67782, i dont have X
18:43.26stewteratorn: (and this is automatically checked for)
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18:43.48teratornstew: ...hows that?
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18:44.38stewvovkav: i'd think that checkinstall generated stuff would be only mininmally useful if you already know how to write a control file.  read the nmg.  Often the best way to generate debian/* files is by plagarizing them from other packages
18:44.53jackjjdhi , is lightdm lighter than gdm ?
18:45.03abrotmanjackjjd: one would hope with a name like that
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18:45.31jackjjdabrotman: i know. but light could mean also "lighter than kdm" :)
18:45.48abrotmantry it and see
18:45.56jackjjd-_-
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18:46.13sKeithsi am missing SYSTEM->PREFERENCES->SESSIONS how do i get the menu item?
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18:47.47raptor67782jackjjd: forget ligtdm
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18:48.02tablesanyone use debian inside virtualbox?  i'm trying to make the screen size adjust
18:48.11raptor67782jackjjd: learn OPENBOX, nothing is faster than That !! really maybe twm or tinywm
18:48.21tablesi think i need to install virtualbox guest additions
18:48.35raptor67782abrotman: nothing faster than OPENBOX really guys
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18:51.55sKeithschange that. use open-vm-toolbox
18:51.59twobitspritedoes anyone know of a way to have the NFS client remap local users to different remote UIDs?
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18:52.57valerieI tried to install Debian Wheezy on laptop that had Windows and Linux.  During installation I only deleted partition with linux and swap.  Now, when installation is complete,  Debian Wheezy doesn't start at all and Windows (loader) is on /dev/sda1, and Windows Recovery Environment (loader) is on /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3 .  Any hope of Windows still being there?
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18:54.21twobitspritethis is nfsv3
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18:55.44blubberdiblubvalerie, might be a problem with the boot loader. where did you tell the debian installer to install grub? into the MBR or into the boot sector of one of the partitions? and yeah, windows is most probably fine, if you haven't overwritten its partition with some other filesystem
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18:58.00valerieblubberdiblub, into MBR
18:59.06blubberdiblubvalerie, hmm, that should actually be the best option. do you get into the grub boot menu at all? or does it print any messages? where exactly does the startup process fail?
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19:02.19Jef91When trying to connect to a network using nm-applet it fails and throws "gnome-keyring-daemon received signal 11" in terminal.
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19:05.51valerieI just tried to start Windows again and it is working.  Linux doesn't start at all, the screen is black
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19:07.31valerieblabberdiblum, I only get the screen where you can choose operating system
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19:08.42blubberdiblubvalerie, ah, i see. and debian definitely doesn't load at all? there's no disk activity whatsoever while the screen is black?
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19:11.31valerieblubberdiblub, this last time I tried to start Linux, there were some quick lines and now the screen is whit and black.  What would you call disk activity, the lines of writings?
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19:13.00cibegtthemill: that was the case
19:13.39cibegtthemill: is there a bug in libcairo2?
19:13.41valerieblubberdiblub, all I get "loading, please wait" and few more lines
19:13.58blubberdiblubvalerie, most laptops usually have an indicator light showing disk activity (the boot process should cause a lot of disk activity)
19:14.31cibegtthemill: anyway, thank you!
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19:15.53blubberdiblubvalerie, the reason is it might be booting, just the graphics mode could be incorrect, causing the blank or garbled screen
19:16.32themillcibegt: actually, it's a bug much further down the xorg stack (in the drivers!) but cairo only just recently exposed it, apparently.
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19:16.47valerieblubberdiblub, the disk light goes on and then turns off.  What should I do about graphics?
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19:17.34cibegtthemill: thanks for the info
19:18.17blubberdiblubvalerie, well, if the light stays off, it doesn't look like it's actually booting
19:19.02blubberdiblubvalerie, what kind of laptop is this?
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19:19.40valerieblabberdiblub, the light is staying off.  It is HP
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19:20.32abrotmanraptor67782: yes, there is, and by alot
19:20.36abrotmana lot
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19:21.41blubberdiblubvalerie, well, then my idea about the possible cause is probably wrong, sorry. looks like i can't help you much. did you have more luck with debian squeeze?
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19:24.13valerieblubberdiblub, the OS I tried to install was debian wheezy and I used the same CD to install it on another computer and it was fine.  Do you think I should try to install it again?  I there something I can do if I go into BIOS?
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19:26.37valerieblubberdiblub, before installation there was a message re firmware that should be installed with USB device, but it was ignored
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19:27.44blubberdiblubvalerie, well, i wouldn't know what to change in BIOS to improve the situation, sorry
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19:28.19valerieblubberdiblub, thanks
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19:31.07blubberdiblubvalerie, i would probably try starting grub in text mode and try different graphics mode parameters to the kernel in order to rule out the possibility that it's caused by a graphics problem
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19:31.54craigevilor figure out what the missing firmware is and install it
19:32.30valerieblubberdiblub, in other words I should try linux recovery mode?
19:33.44blubberdiblubvalerie, no, i meant the graphics mode it switches to as soon as the boot loader hands off to the kernel or as soon as the kernel starts booting, respectively. and even grub's graphics mode vs. text mode
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19:35.06valerieblubberdiblub, how do I start grub in text mode?
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19:36.33blubberdiblubvalerie, hum, that's a bit tricky. i know how to do that when you're actually able to boot. i'm not sure to how to switch it to text mode while on its menu/command line. you could start the rescue console from your installation media and configure grub to text mode there
19:38.56valerieblubberdiblub, I went to BIOS and hard disk was not one of the options for booting there.  Can it be a problem?
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19:40.01blubberdiblubvalerie, i don't think so. after all the boot loader and windows is also stored on your hard disk (i assume), and those 2 get successfully booted
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19:42.42vvcoderhi all
19:43.07vvcoderis zsh better than bash?
19:43.17valerieblubberdiblub, I am starting the installation from DVD again, but I never configured grug to text mode
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19:43.26WithheldI keep trying to use btrfs
19:43.32Doobie-420dash is faster than bash
19:43.36WithheldAnd I have to use a seperate /boot
19:43.45vvcoderDoobie-420: ???
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19:44.29Doobie-420vvcoder; i've never used zsh, but the dash shell is faster
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19:44.44Withheld_And every single time GRUB fails to install
19:44.50peterrooneyvvcoder: on what criteria?  also, /join #bash | /join #zsh
19:44.55Withheld_What do I have to do to make GRUB install?
19:45.22stewdash is faster because it assumes that its not going to be used interactively, and is stripped of features you probably want an interactive shell to have
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19:45.52blubberdiblubvalerie, i can walk you through doing that. just tell me when you are in the menu where you can select one of several installation stages/steps/actions
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19:45.58stewvvcoder: a lot of people prefer zsh.  try it and see if you like it
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19:46.41Withheld_Cannot find device /boot/grub
19:46.42vvcoderstew: thanks, let me try
19:46.44Withheld_What does it want form me?
19:46.54Withheld_Is /dev mounted?
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19:47.32karlpincfind zsh leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Why yet another shell variant? Shells suck anyway.
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19:48.01ebwHi there, how can I control, whether I
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19:49.31karlpincebw: Install the 386 arch then you have a 386 system (486 really).  Install amd64, then you've a amd64 system.  Is that what your asking?
19:49.34Withheld_I can't install LILO either
19:50.00stewWithheld_: are you booted via a rescue disk or something?
19:50.13stewWithheld_: are /proc and /dev  and /sys mounted?
19:50.25ebwkarlpinc: I don't know which one I installed ... I used cdebootstrap and didn't care .. know I don't know how to recognise, which one I have?
19:50.33Withheld_I'm booted with the mini.iso, and this only happens when I need a separate boot partition regardless of the iso I'm on
19:50.36valerieblubberdiblub, I think you are referring to the very first page of installtion.  I am now at detect network hardware and the message is 'some of yur hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate.  The firmware can be loaded from removable media... The missing firmware files are : brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw   I do not have any removable media.  Do I just ignore the message like last time?
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19:50.49karlpincebw: "uname -a" should show the arch.
19:50.54stewebw: what does "file /bin/ls" say?
19:51.06Withheld_stew: yep, all of them
19:51.29ebwstew: /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable. So I am 32 bit?
19:51.35stewWithheld_: is boot in /proc/mounts ?
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19:51.37_neilx_ebw: lsb_release -a
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19:51.44_neilx_uname -a
19:51.45stewebw: yes
19:51.49Withheld_stew: no
19:51.53blubberdiblubvalerie, it is probably not related to the boot problem. it's your broadcom wireless adapter
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19:52.04Withheld_stew: mount my boot partition there?
19:52.07stewWithheld_: is /boot a separate partition?
19:52.14Withheld_...
19:52.15Withheld_yes
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19:52.19stewWithheld_: no, that's not a mount point, that is a list of all the mounts the kernel knows about
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19:52.31stewdid you mount /boot before or after chrooting?
19:52.40_neilx_valerie: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
19:52.42stew(i'm at least assuming you are chrooted)
19:52.48blubberdiblubvalerie, there should be an option in the list that drops you to a rescue shell. or use Alt-F2
19:52.53Withheld_Boot is a separate portion...and how would I know, I'm installing debian
19:52.57ebwkarlpinc, _neilx_: neither lsb_release -a nor uname -a delivered that information
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19:53.06Withheld_I click menu items, stuff happens
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19:53.09stew_neilx_: note that on a 386 install, uname -a might very well be an amd64 kernel
19:53.12Withheld_Er, not click
19:53.15Withheld_but yeah
19:53.23stewoh
19:53.30stewWithheld_: you are still in the middle of the initial install?
19:53.34mithrophi everyone :)
19:53.38stewfor some reason I thought this was rescue
19:53.39Withheld_stew: yes
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19:53.46karlpincebw, stew : Yup, stew is right, uname -a is not the best choice.  Sorry.
19:53.55Withheld_I'm just trying to use btrfs....so I have to use  a seperate /boot
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19:55.00stewWithheld_: which installer are you using?  what version of debian are you installing?
19:55.09mithropI have a problem with aptitude upgrade. Actually, there are 30 upgrade which are never made. Somebody can help me about it ?
19:55.13Withheld_stew: stable, expert installer
19:55.24Withheld_mini.iso in a VirtualBox
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19:55.51stewnote that the btrfs support in that kernel was labeled "experimental, broken, don't use except for benchmarking"
19:55.57stewafaik
19:56.07_neilx_Withheld_: why not ext4? btrfs isnt support
19:56.11stewnot that I think that is related to your current problem
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19:56.23_neilx_stew: ok
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19:56.29valerie_neilx, I get apt-get not found
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19:57.01Withheld_btrfs is not the problem here just btw, the problem is having a separate /boot. I understand what I'm getting into with btrfs otherwise
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19:58.31_neilx_valerie: are you install debian, now?
19:58.46stewWithheld_: is the boot fs currently mounted?
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19:59.16_neilx_stew: is btrfs support in grub/lilo loader?
19:59.16Withheld_No it is not....
19:59.22Withheld_No
19:59.26Withheld__neilx_: no*
19:59.42Withheld_Which is why...I have a seprate ext3 /boot
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20:00.00valerieneilx, when the installation was completed, I could not start debian, so I was trying to install it again
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20:00.02_neilx_I make /boot whith ext3 only , not another forever
20:00.03blubberdiblubgrub2 does support btrfs, but only to a certain extern. that's why you should use a separate /boot partition
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20:00.41Withheld_I know this.....the problem is -installing grub with a seperate /boot-
20:00.42stewWithheld_: I don't recall if /boot should be mounted at the time when grub is about to install, but it seems reasonable
20:00.46wajasui got a debian-squeeze-netinstall.iso build to use my own preseed.cfg with no prompts, just fine, and I boot a qemu based install.  I only want to know if I can get the initial debian gui (with the logo and menu  Install,Graphical...) to preselect Install.  Is that before debian-installer? or can I preseed the answer?
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20:01.20stewWithheld_: installing with a separate boot is somehting that happens all the time.  its probably something that isn't being done for you automatically because you are doing an expert install
20:01.29_neilx_valerie: maybe you install boot loader not in /dev/sda
20:01.30stewWithheld_: perhaps like making sure /boot is actually mounted
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20:01.39Withheld_I just did...it still failed
20:02.02stewWithheld_: and is /boot actually populated?
20:02.09blubberdiblubstew, yes, /boot needs to be mounted
20:02.18Withheld_It's empty....
20:02.21stewthere you go
20:02.33Withheld_But why? What am I supposed too...?
20:02.44Withheld_I'v einstalled the base system, what did it do with it?
20:02.50stewWithheld_: it should have been mounted BEFORE the packages (like kenrel packages) were installed
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20:03.16Withheld_This is weird, normally I don't have to touch a console...
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20:03.25stewWithheld_: so /boot on the / filesystem has the files that should have gone into the /boot filesystem?
20:03.40Withheld_I'll look, sigh
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20:04.09Withheld_Nope, also empty
20:04.30Withheld_It seems to have downloaded it....and them promptly did absolutely nothing with the components
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20:04.43valerie_neilx, I also had Windows on that laptop and now it shows windows on /dev/sda  Is it a problem for Linux?
20:04.44stewWithheld_: is other stuff populated on /?  does /bin/cat exist?
20:04.57_neilx_Withheld_: you must / and directory /boot for mount dev in /boot
20:05.28Withheld_bluh...
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20:05.34stew(and, of course i mean that you should look at /target/bin/cat)
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20:05.48Withheld_Is this a bug? This in theory -should- have been done by the installer
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20:05.58_neilx_valerie: no
20:06.00Withheld_Shouldn't have to go into the console and mount stuff manually
20:06.52Withheld_Whatever, blanking the hard drive and trying again
20:07.30educr0wHello, I am migrating from arch to debian, I used to have only tint2 in openbox autostart.sh file and when openbox start, wicd icon was en tray, now I have to run wicd-client or wicd-gtk to have it. I am missing something?
20:07.34valerie_neilx, should I try installing debian again?
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20:08.50_neilx_valerie: check your partition
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20:09.26stewWithheld_: right, i'd expect that you could instead end up with them mounted using partman
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20:10.10valerie_neilx, how can I check partition, unless I go through installation again?
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20:11.30_neilx_valerie: start install - if you have got hard disk option - show me
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20:13.11_neilx_hdd have got partition - for your windows and another, you must install debian with min. 2 partitons, for example:
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20:13.40_neilx_/dev/sda1 - NTFS, you must (for example) make partiton for / and swap
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20:14.24_neilx_and install grub in /dev/sda (then you have chosen for two OS (windows/linux)
20:14.35mithropnobody can help me aout my never made upgrade, please ? :(
20:14.36jhutchins_wkswap can be done with a file instead of a partition.
20:15.20_neilx_jhutchins_wk: for valerie it is good
20:15.37_neilx_separate
20:15.38jhutchins_wkmithrop: What exact command did you use?
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20:15.57_neilx_my english isn't the best ;)
20:15.57arietiscan anyone check my kern.log and say if there is any problem? i can't make my device work and have no idea what's wrong https://gist.github.com/785135fa188d56b47600
20:16.16jhutchins_wkarietis: What is your device?
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20:16.36arietisjhutchins_wk: network hdd
20:17.02mithrop"# aptitude upgrade"  then I have this : "0 packages updated, 0 newly installed, 0 to delete et 35 not updated." (badly translated from french ^^).
20:17.23stewmithrop: and you want to know about the 35 not updated?
20:17.26jhutchins_wkmithrop: good enough.  What about full-upgrade?
20:17.38jhutchins_wkAh, stew will know what's up.
20:17.51stewmithrop: what version of debian is this?
20:18.04_neilx_mithrop: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? and check /etc/apt/sources.list
20:18.15babilenmithrop: Try "aptitude full-upgrade" and you can prefix the command with "LANG=C" if you want messages in English. ("LANG=C aptitude full-upgrade") -- You might also want to read "man aptitude" and in particular the discussion of safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
20:18.24stew_neilx_: that's not going to do anything different
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20:18.37babilenmithrop: Which version of Debian is this?
20:18.39stewthe fact that there are 35 not updated means this is probably not stable
20:18.45stewand I'm wondering if it is older or newer
20:18.48stewprobably older
20:18.51_neilx_stew: yes, maybe it good for him, we will see
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20:19.03valerie_neilx, #1 primary 208.7 MB B ntfs, #2 primary 255.3 GB ntfs, #5 logical 150 GB ext4, #6 logical 35 GB ext4, #7 logical 16 GB ext4, #8 logical 16 GB ext4, #9 logical 7.7 GB F SWAP, #3 primary 15.6 GB ntfs, unusable 4.3 GB unusable.     Looks like 150 GB  filesystem didn't get mounted at /
20:19.22mithropa Wheezy one. I remember I installed apt-listbugs and "disallow" a package one time.
20:19.44_neilx_stew: what are you prefer? apt-get or aptitude?
20:19.56stew_neilx_: aptitude
20:20.25stewmithrop: /msg dpkg held back
20:20.32jhutchins_wkarietis: I think you may need to install the multipath drivers or drivers specific to your SAN.
20:20.50stewmithrop: if you are using aptitude, I don't think it reports the held back packages, but you should be able to find them with "aptitude search '~U'"
20:20.54_neilx_aptitude rescue me more time, but I use apt-get
20:21.01valerie_neilx, I just wrote all the partitions and then accidently erased it.  Could you see it?  I can type it again, but looks like all ext4 filesystems were not mounted
20:21.02jhutchins_wkarietis: How is it shareing?  iscsi or fiberchannel?
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20:21.37Nach0zhey guys, I got a bit of a problem I need some help with
20:21.52mithropstew, with a aptitude search '~U', I have a lot of packages. Mainly xserver-* and one apt
20:22.03Nach0zI'm trying to apt-get install something on debian 5.0 but all the mirrors are returning 404... any ideas how to fix this?
20:22.28arietisjhutchins_wk: sharing what? it's ARM-based device with ethernet port
20:22.44stewmithrop: if you want to just simplly upgrade them use full-upgrade instead of upgrade or safe-upgrade.  if you want to investigate why exactly they are not being upgraded you now have a candidate list of pacakges to investigate using instruction from /msg dpkg held back
20:22.45valerie_neilx, I see I didn't erase it it afterall.  should I just mount 150 GB on / and that should solve the problem?
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20:22.54mithropbabilen, with a full-upgrade, it point out a conflict about dependencies
20:23.06jhutchins_wkSo it could be serving shares as NFS or Samba (or Apple), it could be doing iscsi.  It matters.
20:23.13stewNach0z: 5.0 is obsolete and no longer maintained, so the repository has been archived: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list
20:23.15_neilx_valerie:
20:23.30stewNach0z: its recommended that you upgrade to squeeze following chapter 4 of the release notes
20:23.53_neilx_valerie: if it is your first install and you haven't data on all ext4
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20:24.19babilenmithrop: Ok -- You are now aware why these packages can't be installed at the moment. You might have to break some ties manually, but it might also merely be the case that you have to wait. Could you paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ?
20:24.21kyon79hello people ! does someone know where I could find a repository for apt installation of httpd 2.4 on debian squeeze, please ?
20:24.36_neilx_valerie: delete all ext4 and swap, then create one for / with etx4 and one for SWAP
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20:24.39Nach0zalrighty, thanks
20:24.47jhutchins_wk,versions apache2
20:24.48juddPackage: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.2.22-5; sid: 2.2.22-6; experimental: 2.4.2-2
20:24.56babilenmithrop: Please also cycle through the other suggestions by aptitude (by entering "n" when asked if you accept this solution)
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20:25.10mithropbabilen, ok I'll do it right now. stew, the dependencies problems can be the solution, right ?
20:25.16kyon792.2 even on sid ? gosh...
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20:26.02stewkyon79: since we are so close to the freeze its not the right time to put a major apache upgrade into the next debian release
20:26.14valerie_neilx, thanks, I will do that
20:26.17stewkyon79: 2.4 will likely stay in experimental until after release
20:26.29educr0wI am migrating from arch to debian, I used to have tint2 and other stuff (nothing about wicd) in openbox autostart.sh file and when openbox started, wicd icon was in tray, now I have to run wicd-client or wicd-gtk to have it. I am missing something?
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20:26.41_neilx_valerie: after that you install debian and make install grub on /dev/sda
20:26.51_neilx_(with installer)
20:27.31kyon79stew : I understand the concern. I'm a bit annoyed cause 2.4 fixes a very stupid bug in dynamic virtual hosts configuration, and apache didn't bother to backport it to 2.2
20:27.36_neilx_wheeze in this year?
20:27.45stewkyon79: its possible that debian backported it
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20:27.56stewkyon79: is there a bug open in the debian bts for it?
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20:28.02h44lis there a chatroom where i can ask a question about buying a device that connects to a TV? im trying to decide on a device that switches between DVD palyers and other things connected to a TV
20:28.12stewh44l: try ##hardware
20:28.15kyon79no idea, let me check
20:28.18dvs???
20:28.49kyon79sorry, but I never looked at debian bts, where is it ? ^^;;
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20:28.58stew!bts
20:28.58dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber .  aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too.  Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS.  See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.  http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
20:29.09kyon79bugs.debian.org , no shortcut to httpd .?
20:29.15kyon79oh ok
20:29.31stewkyon79: there should hopefully be a bug tracking this issue in debian which should tell you which version of the debian package contains the fix
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20:31.02arietiswhich log should i check after kern.log if i have problems with getting server up after power failure?
20:31.26stewsyslog?
20:31.28kyon79I couldn't find it in bts, but maybe I'm looking it the wrong way. I found it in the apache bts, though : https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26052
20:31.32_neilx_arietis: check filesystem?
20:31.34jhutchins_wkarietis: Depends on the problems.
20:31.49valerie_neilx, I always added grub to boot master before.  Can't I do the same now?  If ext4 is not mounted, the OS is not going to work?  Sorry, I do not know some basics.
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20:32.20jhutchins_wkkyon79: Not sure exactly what you're up to, but on Debian apache is apache2, not httpd
20:33.08_neilx_valerie: bios have got protected boot sector?
20:33.41kyon79yeah, I just figured that -_- I was just looking  now to apache2 instead of httpd , but I don't find any bug involving VirtualDocumentRoot
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20:34.15kyon79or maybe not
20:34.32mithropbabilen, stew : http://paste.debian.net/172258/
20:35.17kyon79one bug involving VirtualDocumentRoot , but not fixed yet, and doesn't seem to be the same as mine
20:35.26arietissyslog is too big to watch in console -.-
20:35.39arietishow can i copy it if i connected via telnet?
20:35.43valerie_neilx, I do not know.  I should say that I never installed linux on that laptop before, but on other computers I always added grub to master boot
20:35.58kyon79anyway, I guess I'll wait for apache 2.4 to be available on debian. Thanks for your help !
20:35.58stewkyon79: i see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507999, but that's about it
20:36.00mithropsorry for the time, there is a lot of solutions given by aptitude and paste can't exceed 90kb...
20:36.24kyon79stew:  I found it myself
20:36.29jhutchins_wkkyon79: Thousands if not millions of websites are working just fine with apache2 right now - perhaps there is a problem with the configuration as opposed to a bug.
20:36.39_neilx_valerie: have you got grub installed?
20:36.50Doobie-420MILLIONS!!
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20:37.17kyon79jhutchins_wk, maybe they don't bother because the bug exists since 2004 and was fixed in apache 2.4.1 ;-)
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20:38.12valerie_neilx, I believe so
20:38.30kyon79so yes, it is probably not a big problem
20:38.49_neilx_valerie: if you boot laptop - are you see grub loader?
20:38.51jhutchins_wkkyon79: Most of the sites are running older versions rather than bleeding edgee.
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20:39.34kyon79it's just annoying for people using virtual subdomains -- having to create one config file for each of them to redefine DocumentRoot instead of having one VirtualDocumentRoot for them all
20:39.52_neilx_valerie: if yes - choose e - check root=
20:40.00kyon79but yes, definitively not preventing millions of people to use an older version of apache
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20:40.04valerie_neilx, yes, otherwise I would not see the choice of OS on the computer
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20:41.45babilenmithrop: You have a couple of independent issues in there. First of all: fglrx can't be used in wheezy/sid right now (and has been removed from wheezy) due to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320
20:41.52_neilx_valerie: root must with partition with /dev/sda* with / - what's up if you boot linux?
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20:42.18babilenmithrop: I would actually recommend to just remove fglrx and whatever configuration you have for it and switch to the free radeon driver *unless* you have a good reason to use fglrx.
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20:42.49stewbabilen: (or just sit back and wait?)
20:42.54jhutchins_wkkyon79: Yeah, I would guess that most experienced apache admins are used to defining each virtualhost complete with documentroot.
20:43.22mithropfglrx have better performances on my system... Only reason for now... Don't want to risk to break everything because all is working fine right now.
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20:43.32jhutchins_wkkyon79: I came from the single-file days, but I actually like debian's file-per-site method.
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20:44.24stewkyon79: work around it with copious mod_rewrite!
20:44.25babilenstew, mithrop: Yeah, that is definitely a solution as well. I would expect fglrx -5 to be uploaded soon™ to sid and it can be expected to hit testing in due course.
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20:45.02babilenmithrop: I am not entirely sure what is going on with your KDE setup there, but it looks as if you used some metapackage to install KDE and removed one of its depdencies. Do you use KDE?
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20:45.39babilenmithrop: What does "apt-get autoremove --purge -s" give you?
20:45.45mithropbabilen, yes, I use it :)
20:45.55valerie_neilx, I am in the process of installing debian now again and it is a very slow process out here.  But to answer your question, when I boot linux I get 'loading, please wait', and then garbled screen
20:46.16mithropbabilen, I am using aptitude. There is the same command to continue to use the same tool or should I try apt-get for this time ?
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20:46.59babilenmithrop: I woulnd't have mentioned apt-get if I didn't mean it. Don't worry as you can freely use apt-get and aptitude and therefore just pick the tool that is appropriate.
20:47.18mithropok :)
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20:48.10mithropbabilen, => "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 not upgraded."
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20:49.20jhutchins_wkmithrop: stew explained the problem to you half an hour ago at least.
20:49.36jhutchins_wkmithrop: /msg dpkg held back
20:49.45DeusExhowdy all
20:49.54babilenmithrop: Ok, that is good. I am pretty sure that mysql (and the proposed removal of mysql-common) brings the whole KDE installation to fall. (akanadi depends on it IIRC) -- I guess the sensible thing to do right now is to wait.
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20:49.55kyon79jhutchins_wk, actually, I like the method too, but a working virtualdocumentroot would have pleased me ;-)
20:50.02kyon79anyway thanks again for your time :)
20:50.09kyon79and you too, stew
20:50.12kyon79*yoursµ
20:50.15kyon79*yours
20:50.20jhutchins_wkkyon79: I can see how it would be useful.
20:51.34_neilx_valerie: try with another kernel? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
20:52.01mithropjhutchins, I understand what is a kept back packages. But I have 35 kept back packages and don't really understand what is the problem with them. I'm not actually a professionnal Debian user ;) So babilen told me to wait a little, so I'll do it if there is no better solution ;)
20:52.09arietisstew: jhutchins_wk: _neilx_: after looks like my device can't set up ip address properly
20:52.21arietisafter checking logs*
20:52.38arietisbut i wrote it manually in /etc/networ/interfaces
20:52.50arietishave no idea why it stopped get it from here
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20:54.41mithropbabilen, stew > thank you for your help :)
20:54.53stew:)
20:54.53babilenmithrop: You have 2 independent issues right now. Or rather not you, but wheezy. First and foremost fglrx-driver has been removed from wheezy due it not working correctly with the current X server. This problem has been fixed IIRC in a newer fglrx-driver version from upstream (.5) but that version has not yet been uploaded to Debian.
20:55.02_neilx_arietis: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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20:55.54else-how can i install an arm toolchain? i've added an emdebian repository, but there are lots of broken packages
20:56.06mithropbabilen, ok, I understood the problem. I'll just wait for the new package ;)
20:56.17babilenmithrop: The second is the mysql issue (haven't seen that, but you can probably find the root cause by digging deeper) -- mysql-common : Breaks: mysql-server-core-5.1 (< 5.5) but 5.1.62-1 is installed. -- This causes the removal of mysql-common and thereby the removal of a large chunk of your KDE installation.
20:56.31babilen,v mysql-server-core-5.1
20:56.32juddPackage: mysql-server-core-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; sid: 5.1.62-1; wheezy: 5.1.62-1
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20:56.38arietis_neilx_: https://gist.github.com/15bd0f99df1d7eb048c1
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20:57.29Lejdahey guys
20:57.41valerie_neilx, I am going to wait and see if this new installation will be successful first.  Do you think that not mounting any of the partitions was the cause of the problem?
20:58.22mithropbabilen, I'll take a look at the mysql issue...
20:58.40Lejdahow can i install additional keyboard ?
20:58.49LejdaDebian Desktop
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20:59.42_neilx_valerie: some laptop - new kernel is recommended
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20:59.59babilenmithrop: I guess that both of these issues will resolve themselves within some time. I don't know from the top of my head what changes to MySQL packages have been uploaded to Debian.
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21:00.10stewLejda: what do you mean exactly?  how about "just plug it in and start using it"?
21:00.24_neilx_i have got probook 4730s with Linux debian 3.2.2-skalmar6 ;)
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21:00.34Lejdano i installed xrdp
21:00.53Lejdawhen i create remote connection is disables my settings
21:01.07Lejdaso i need to install additional keyboard on system
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21:02.10stewLejda: what do you mean by "disables my settings"?
21:02.11valerie_neilx, thanks for your time
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21:03.28Lejdawhen i connect via xrd. my local keyboard set is 105 key tr Q,  but xrdp( installed machine) is uses 105 key en_US keyboard
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21:03.58_neilx_valerie - no problem, arietis: try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ Unknown device have you got
21:04.11else-"gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi : Depends: cpp-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi (= 4.4.5-8) but it is not going to be installed" can anyone help?
21:04.28else-cpp-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi depends on libgmp3c2, which itself is not available
21:04.38stewLejda: if you compare the output of "/lib/udev/findkeyboards" when run as root.  does it look like there is an additional keyboard attached when the remote user is attached?
21:04.41mithropbabilen, not a problem ^^ thank you very much for looking at my problem :)
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21:05.28Lejdastew thats looks my problem
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21:05.38stewLejda: is that a "yes"?
21:05.38Lejdaim trying thanks for your help
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21:05.42_neilx_arietis: i have got : # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169),
21:05.44bs0dHello everybody
21:06.00bs0dWhich version of Eclipse does debian have in its repositories? I need Eclipse for Java EE
21:06.20stewLejda: so you could tell udev to assign different maps to each keybaord as they are attched.  I have documented some of the stuff you'd need to do here: http://stew.vireo.org/blog/posts/Udev_and_multiple_keyboards/
21:06.35arietis_neilx_: i don't understand u :S
21:06.41stewLejda: but you wouldn't have to create your own keymaps, you should be able to use existing keymaps already present in /lib/udev/keymaps
21:06.52_neilx_bs0d: i prefer netbeans ;)
21:07.03stewjudd: versions eclipse-jdt
21:07.04juddPackage: eclipse-jdt on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.7.2-1; wheezy: 3.7.2-1
21:07.07stewbs0d: ^^
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21:09.43jhutchins_wkDid arietis ever solve the drive problem?
21:09.53stewLejda: i have to run, good luck.  if its not obvious, you get to skip the whole middle section about discovering scan codes and go right to the creating a udev rule part
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21:10.11_neilx_arietis: sudo update-pciids , check network card
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21:11.21arietisjhutchins_wk: trying to understand why device can't get ip at system start
21:11.37arietisjhutchins_wk: system is working but device is unreachable
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21:12.11stewarietis: "device" here is something running debian?
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21:12.20arietisstew: yes, debian arm
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21:13.23arietisit stopped working properly after power failure but it works if i boot kernel via tftp
21:13.52arietisin that case i'm setting up ip manually
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21:15.44_neilx_arietis: of course, it worked , but after power failure not
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21:19.37_neilx_arietis: /etc/network/interface : allow-hotplug eth0
21:19.43_neilx_or auto?
21:19.48arietisauto
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21:23.03_neilx_arietis: you haven't got gui like gnome?
21:23.12_neilx_with network-manager
21:23.19_neilx_like that
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21:24.04arietis_neilx_: nope, telnet only
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21:27.52nutronhow do I get a debian workstation to give precedence to assigned dns servers through dhcp?  "option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.2, 10.0.0.3" the old config has 10.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf...  if I take bind down on .1, dns no longer works but dig gets an answer if I tell it where to look.
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21:28.56nutronsorry, the option is in the dhcp server config
21:29.39arietishow does debian obtain ip at system startup btw?
21:29.53nutronarietis: asking me?  dhcp
21:30.01bs0dis Java EE present in Debian package repository? Im looking for it, but can't find an exact math. Can anybody help me?
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21:30.19arietisnutron: no, trying to fix my device :)
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21:30.23dvsarietis: it depends how you configure it
21:30.36arietisdvs: in my case it's static
21:30.38nutronarietis: ahh ok
21:30.45epsilonarietis: default is dhcp via network manager if gnome is installed
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21:32.49arietisi have such config https://gist.github.com/91bbdd5afa4efd8441b3
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21:33.54dvsarietis: So you need to do "ifup eth0" to activate it or put "allow-hotplug eth0" in your interfaces file
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21:34.17nutrondoes anyone know how to do what I'm asking?  or what to test / try next?
21:34.27arietisifup: command not found lol weird
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21:34.41dvsas rfoot
21:34.46dvsroot too
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21:36.57arietisdvs: i'm logged as root
21:37.37dvsarietis: I can run ifup as root no problem
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21:38.30joltcanarietis: ifup is probably not in your path as a regular user, or you removed /sbin from your $PATH
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21:39.30dvsis the ifupdown package installed
21:39.30arietisjoltcan: there is no ifup in /sbin directory
21:39.46dvsarietis: aptitude install ifupdown
21:39.49arietislooks like no
21:39.49xfire78xxsera
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21:40.43arietisi have it installed now, do i need to configure it somehow?
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21:41.09joltcanyou must habe broken your system pretty badly if that is missing :)
21:41.19dvsagrees
21:42.08joltcanWell, I'm off to bed
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21:42.33_neilx_..after reboot - check filesystem arietis
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21:43.01zophytornado5 is on it's way
21:43.09epsilonarietis: what do you have actually installed? Debian stable?
21:43.28epsilonnever seen debian install where ifup/down was unavailable
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21:44.10_neilx_epsilon: after reboot erietis have got a problem with eth
21:44.35arietisepsilon: i'm using sid
21:44.50_neilx_ehhh....
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21:48.34johnny53287hello, i setup a ubuntu server using kvm with lots of vms running on it. i use virt-manager for administration. now i have problems with booting vms with pxe. the vms sends dhcp discovers to the network and my dhcp server answers with a dhcp offer, but nothing more, no request and no ack. when i start a kvm vm from the cli, booting with pxe works, just virt-manager makes problems. maybe someone can give me a hint?
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21:52.52_neilx_thx for this day, shutdown ;)
21:55.03Lejdahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChNW7Ey7KkM
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22:12.57Armageddonthe terminal gets messed up on non-latin characters, any idea why would that happen ?
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22:21.30gnarfaceArmageddon: good chance wrong locale or a utf8 compatibility bug in the program you're using
22:21.37thewanderer1I have a process (php5-fpm) which forks off children (php workers). I want those to be placed into cgroups, based on their UID. how would I do that, seeing how cgred only assigns processes that use PAM or are executed via lxc-execute?
22:21.47Armageddongnarface, I'm using irssi
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22:22.18gnarfaceArmageddon: what does the output of "locale charmap" say?
22:22.57Armageddongnarface, ANSI_X3.4-1968
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22:23.56gnarfaceArmageddon: what debian version and platform is this?  thats one i haven't seen before
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22:24.06Armageddonlooks like all locale are disabled
22:24.49Armageddon6.0.4
22:24.58Armageddondebian 6.0.4
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22:25.46gnarfacewell you probably need some
22:26.08gnarfacei recommend en_US-utf8
22:26.09gnarfaceor whatever
22:26.12Armageddongnarface, sure, I'm asking the admin to enale those
22:26.15Armageddonenable*
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22:26.49gnarfaceArmageddon: keep in mind your terminal will also have to support unicode for this all to work
22:26.59gnarfaceArmageddon: most don't do it properly
22:27.04Armageddonit does, urxvt is called rxvt-unicode :p
22:27.22gnarfaceoh, yea that's the one i'd recommend using
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22:28.00gnarfaceonly one i've actually seen do everything right outside of os X sadly
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22:28.35Armageddongnarface, konsole is not bad, actually konsole can render RTL
22:28.37gnarfacei'm guessing i must never run into this problem because i always select expert install
22:29.31Armageddongnarface, as my host says, I'm not a debian user, it's just on the shell :p
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22:30.45gnarfaceah
22:30.55gnarfacewell, there's still time to save your soul
22:31.05Armageddonin other words, my only option is expert
22:31.12Armageddonsave my soul ? :P I'm loving it
22:31.23gnarfaceoh i misunderstood
22:31.34gnarfacei thought you meant "i didn't install this machine, i'm just remoting into it"
22:31.43Armageddonright, that's also what I said
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22:31.58Armageddongnarface, I let the admin enable a couple locales
22:32.08Armageddondo I need to close irssi ?
22:32.11Armageddonlogin and log back in ?
22:32.19gnarfacenot sure
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22:32.25Armageddonlet's test
22:32.26gnarfacelikely you need to at least restart urxvt
22:32.34gnarfacethat could be sufficient
22:33.01Armageddongnarface, urxvt is on my system not on the shell :p
22:33.11gnarfacei guess in theory you could be missing glyphs if you don't have the right fonts
22:33.32gnarfacedo you have unicode enabled locally as well?
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22:33.41ArmageddonI'll restart irssi
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22:33.44Armageddongnarface, of course ;)
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22:35.47oo_miguelHow can I minimize power usage on my notebook?
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22:36.12oo_miguelIs it possible to get the battery time close or even more than what I get on win7?
22:36.43gnarfaceoo_miguel: sure just turn shit off
22:36.54abrotmanhelpful ...
22:37.04abrotmanoo_miguel: lesswatts.org may have info you will find useful
22:37.17oo_miguelthanx
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22:39.16Armageddondidn't help
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22:42.40phorce1is there a way to force update-flashplugin-installer to use an existing flash-xxx.tar.gz from /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/ for installing rather than physically downloading the newest (I'm trying to downgrade from 11.2 to 11.1 since 11.2 is broken with nvidia and vdpau)
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22:43.19jordanmphorce1: there is a work-around for the broken
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22:43.55jordanmphorce1: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=0
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22:45.13phorce1jordanm: hmmm, I didn't find that one. Only found either recompiling vdpau-trace from gt or turning off hardware accel (<--- which makes 11.2 crash every 10 frames or so).
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22:46.21jordanmphorce1: are you having issues with blue people or sluggish problems?
22:46.24abrotmanphorce1: wait, you want more bugs?
22:46.30phorce1blue people
22:46.48jordanmphorce1: ah, I patched and recompiled vdpau for that one :\
22:47.03phorce1abrotman: 11.1 wasn't crashing or hanging for me
22:47.27phorce1jordanm: so the nvidia setting is for sluggishness?
22:47.38jordanmphorce1: yes
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22:47.55phorce111.2 is the last linux version so if it's broken, it's broken forever <sigh>
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22:48.24gnarfacephorce1: don't hold your breath for a fix
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22:48.54gnarfacephorce1: but they did say this about flash 7 once upon a time
22:49.25phorce1OK, so back to finding a way to make the flashplugin-nonfree package use the existing 11.1 tar.gz that I have downloaded so I don't have to pick through and move the files to their proper places by hand
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22:50.43abrotmanphorce1: it's only one file
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22:52.31phorce1abrotman: only the .so needs to be replaced? The update-flashplugin-nonfree script makes it look a whole lot scarier than that.  heh.
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22:53.18abrotmanphorce1: not sure about the md5 stuff .. but replacing the .so is sufficient
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22:55.05phorce1I looked at the script and it was like "twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
22:55.09phorce1and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one"
22:55.45divbellyou can get anything you want, at alice's restaurant
22:56.06abrotmanphorce1: did they put you on the bench with the father rapers?
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23:06.38educr0wI am migrating from arch to debian, I used to have tint2 and other stuff (nothing about wicd) in openbox autostart.sh file and when openbox started, wicd icon was in tray, now I have to run wicd-client or wicd-gtk to have it. I am missing something?
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23:08.22phorce1hah! no more blue people
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23:09.34rootanthai, do any of you guys use checkinstall? what's wrong with this command:
23:09.37rootantcheckinstall --type=debian -D --pkgname=qt-mobility --arch=i386 --pkgsource=/home/rootant/Pobrane/qt-mobility-opensource-src-1.2.0/ --pakdir=/root/ --gzman --review-control --install=no
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23:11.22abrotmanrootant: no errors?
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23:11.39rootantmake: *** Brak reguł do wykonania obiektu `install'. Stop.
23:11.46rootant\it's in polish
23:11.51rootantlemme get the same in english
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23:12.32rootantmake: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
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23:12.39rootantabrotman: ↑
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23:13.10Iridoswell... doesn't the error tell you what's wrong?
23:13.15Iridosnuffin to do with checkinstall
23:13.45rootantit worked previous time i've used it
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23:14.53Iridoshint, hint, a plain "make install" without all the checkinstall stuff gives you the same error
23:15.09rootantnope
23:15.19Iridosyes
23:15.22rootantah, yes
23:15.39Iridosdammit
23:15.43rootantso why it didn't build the package?
23:15.44Iridosjust wanted to bet a gazillion dollars with you
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23:15.53rootantwhat am i doing wrong
23:16.02rootantIridos: sorry
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23:16.33Iridosyou were supposed to be my pension plan!
23:17.07Iridosyou're (or checkinstall is doing it for you) running "make install" on a makefile that doesn't have instructions for "install"
23:17.08rootantso how to build a package with checkinstall properly?
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23:17.27rootantIridos: mhm
23:17.44rootantso i have to rrun configure script first
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23:18.28rootantand make
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23:18.42Iridosor give checkinstall instructions to run whatever command you're supposed to make instead of the default "make install"
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23:27.50codertuxhi, I'm having issues with a server hosted in a datacenter. it's running debian 6.0 and the network connection is bloody slow (~50KB/s). if I boot the same server in the rescue system (via netboot, also debian based) the same file downloads at 8MB/s. Any ideas how to troubleshoot this? reinstalling is not really an option
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23:30.42civilliancodertux: there could be many reasons
23:30.58civilliancodertux: what was the protocol used for the download?
23:31.00tharkunWhat does this mean "(firefox-bin:3914): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead" it appears on the screen that i launched iceweasel from
23:31.08codertuxcivillian: I bet, I just want to bounce some ideas around, maybe there's something I've missed
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23:31.42civilliancodertux: well in multi user mode, there could be other processes using the bandwidth
23:31.44codertuxcivillian: HTTP, but iperf, scp and git over ssh are just about as slow
23:32.11tharkuncodertux: mtr -r from both ends is allways a nice tool to have around
23:32.13codertuxcivillian: iftop confirms nothing's hogging the bandwidth
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23:33.34codertuxtharkun: i'll give mtr a shot
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23:36.56codertuxtharkun: home -> server http://paste.opensuse.org/55278707; server -> home http://paste.opensuse.org/26662317 not sure how to interpret it, besides no packet loss
23:40.51codertuxany more ideas? I'm about to pull off a hail mary and nuke everything
23:41.27civillianmeaning?
23:41.48codertuxcivillian: reinstall it
23:42.05civillian09:27 < codertux> ...reinstalling is not really an option
23:42.13civillianI think you're possesed.
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23:43.01civilliancodertux: sounds like a driver issue but I can't be sure
23:43.12civillianalso check duplex etc
23:43.22codertuxI have an identical server in the same datacenter running centos 5.4
23:43.30codertuxit's full duplex, checked
23:43.41codertuxthe centos server uses the same network driver
23:43.42civillianany collisions?
23:43.52civillianTCP window scaling issues?
23:44.15codertuxcivillian: ifconfig: http://paste.opensuse.org/2304215
23:44.37codertuxnot sure what you mean by tcp window scaling issues
23:45.10civilliancodertux: it's a networking issue that can affect throughput
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23:45.39codertuxcivillian: how can I test for it?
23:45.58civillianTCP window scaling is supposed to improve performance by allowing more data to flow between hosts before requiring an ACK for data already transferred
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23:46.21civilliancodertux: you'll need a protocol analyzer like wireshark
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23:47.15codertuxok, I have tshark installed
23:47.31civilliancodertux: look at the Win= part
23:47.37civillianthat's your window, in bytes
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23:49.41thewanderer1is DHCP broken in d-i of 6.0.5 netinst CD?
23:50.18codertuxcivillian: http://paste.opensuse.org/61175738 looks like it's 300-600 bytes?
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23:50.45civillianthat seems low
23:51.08codertuxcivillian: looks like there are lots of retransmitted packets
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23:51.39civillianthat will be why your window is shrinking
23:52.27civillianA healthy window should be around 65535, give or take
23:52.31codertuxok, seems fair... now what do I do about it?
23:53.09civillianhah, begin finding out why
23:53.19civilliantalk to your DC provider
23:53.35civilliantry a transfer to a  closer host
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23:53.38civillianetc
23:53.40civilliantry stuff
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23:54.26civilliantry a host on your local subnet if possible
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23:54.33valerieI am in the process of Installing linux to a laptop that has windows on it.   I am at the stage of installing  the GRUB boot loader.  The installer says it is not safe to install the GRUB boot loader to MBR if there is more than one OS.  How then should I install the GRUB boot loader, since if I choose /dev/sda, it will also install it to MBR?
23:55.10tharkuncodertux: hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzne is playing nasty
23:55.28codertuxcivillian: on the same host booting the rescue system off dhcp+nfs the speed is ok. I've already opened a ticket with them and they said they can't help me since it works there...
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23:56.30civillianbbiaf, smoko
23:56.38tharkuncodertux: check also that you don't have any limiting factors on your http server. also you can set up a different one on an alternate port and check fo it
23:56.47dvsvalerie: Really? I'd install it to the MBR and install os-prober afterwards
23:58.52valeriedvs, my first installation was not successful when I installed it to MBR.  I could not start linux.  Now if choose /dev/sda would not it be the same?
23:58.55codertuxtharkun: most protocols I've tried suffer
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23:59.18Samwanhi
23:59.30Samwanis there any way to change every user password at one time?
23:59.32dvsvalerie: It would be the same but I've installed GRUB to my MBR and it works for me.
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