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| 00:00.12 | neomewmew | to be on the safe side |
| 00:00.49 | trysten | why did the chicken cross the road |
| 00:00.59 | trysten | to get to the dead |
| 00:01.01 | trysten | he dies |
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| 00:01.23 | trysten | that's why the chicken crossed the road. it was through living. |
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| 00:02.02 | Sw33NY | hi all |
| 00:02.08 | trysten | hi todd |
| 00:02.14 | themill | trysten: were you looking for #defocus? |
| 00:02.19 | else- | how can i prevent the application of patches when building a package with debuilder? |
| 00:02.42 | trysten | yes, themill. thank you. |
| 00:02.45 | else- | specifically, i'm trying to build a custom mutt package which uses some patches that don't get along with the mutt-patched patches |
| 00:02.48 | themill | else-: remove the patches from the source package; of course, there's a good chance that it will no longer build |
| 00:03.12 | neomewmew | anyway, off to bed while this upgrades. thsnks for the help |
| 00:03.33 | Sw33NY | I had a crash (and not the first :) ) I'm running on Sid and I using so more RAM than I have installed in my computer but I would love to know a thing, when my computer freeze, no mouse and screen action possible, after a few moment it kick one or all my virtual machine, can we set it ? |
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| 00:03.55 | Sw33NY | to it kick processus which using so more RAM to become safe ? |
| 00:03.58 | MistrX | exists an spanish channel for debian? |
| 00:04.07 | themill | dpkg: tell MistrX about es |
| 00:04.12 | else- | themill: it still tries to apply the patches ("Applying patch mutt-patched/sidebar") and fails. where is it told to do so? |
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| 00:05.07 | xispirito | Sw33NY, something like that have happened here times after on OpenBSD...i change fan and everything works good again |
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| 00:07.00 | themill | else-: you probably need to edit debian/patches/series (the mutt package is a pretty complicated one in the way it is set out....) |
| 00:07.47 | else- | themill: ty. i'll have a look at this. |
| 00:08.24 | Sw33NY | xispirito, the computer is busy because I use so more ressource but when I cannot use it because it is so more busy it kick one virtual machine to become safe... it's normal or it's just virtualbox which crash because it cannot do what it needed ? |
| 00:09.24 | jagginess | Sw33NY, sounds like you should use processor with intel-vt feature |
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| 00:10.08 | xispirito | Sw33NY, i can't 100% sure, but here happens like this, when i use a lot of processor, the machine freeze |
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| 00:11.01 | Sw33NY | jagginess, yes probably actually it's q6600 but I love it and just my question is, what happened?, is it secure system by debian which kick one processus so more busy or it's just virtualbox which crash because it has no more ressources ? |
| 00:15.00 | xispirito | i don't know if Debian do this or not, i don't do a resource about this...but OpenBSD do things like that, stop processes in prol of system safe, and sometimes, crash |
| 00:15.29 | Sw33NY | if Debian do this, it's really good thing :) |
| 00:16.12 | Sw33NY | then now, all time my computer freeze I'm not scared about lost work, just waiting a moment going toilet, going coffee :) |
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| 00:16.25 | xispirito | hahah |
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| 00:16.59 | Sw33NY | it's weird because my computer continue to forward the traffic but I cannot connect me on by ssh ... |
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| 00:19.44 | drecute | hi |
| 00:19.55 | drecute | please where can I find pam_nis module? |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | !tell drecute about apt-file |
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| 00:38.44 | valerie | My laptop has Atheros Communications AR928X WiFi adapter (PCI-express). I am trying to find out how to install drivers for it since WiFi connection is not working. Help? |
| 00:39.49 | sussudio | Sw33NY: i had a computer where both the cpu fan and the fan inside the powersupply died. it segfaulted, but kept forwarding everything... |
| 00:40.08 | nsadmin | when I upgraded, I lost my printer definition; this SHOULD NOT happen as I was upgrading from squeeze to squeeze... can someone help me reestablish the printer |
| 00:41.34 | mjmt | fg |
| 00:42.00 | Sw33NY | sussudio, you give me one question... from what segmentation fault could come ? |
| 00:42.01 | nsadmin | valerie, do you have networking other than the wireless connected to the machine with the atheros? |
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| 00:42.21 | Sw33NY | it's specific error or it could come from so more things... ? |
| 00:42.43 | sussudio | Sw33NY: from the hardware failing |
| 00:43.13 | valerie | nsadmin, thanks the WiFi is fixed now |
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| 00:44.28 | Jaggz- | what would make the Login: prompt show very quickly over SSH, but the "Password:" prompt take much longer than normal? |
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| 00:44.54 | nsadmin | Jaggz-, between two different machines? |
| 00:45.11 | nsadmin | if so, lack of reverse dns is the most common reason |
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| 00:45.22 | momina87 | ciao a tutti |
| 00:45.28 | momina87 | \list |
| 00:45.35 | momina87 | !list |
| 00:45.35 | dpkg | momina87: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 00:45.43 | \u03b5 | this is not a warez channel or network momina87 |
| 00:45.50 | nsadmin | momina87, debian has a lot of good stuff which is all free |
| 00:46.02 | nvz | everything including the kitchensync |
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| 00:46.15 | nvz | heh |
| 00:46.16 | nsadmin | and even sync |
| 00:46.23 | nvz | !info kitchensync |
| 00:46.23 | C-Kermit | Debian has better support for older releases. COOL. |
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| 00:46.52 | C-Kermit | less schizoid than openSuse |
| 00:47.00 | nvz | whistles and taps on the desk.. |
| 00:47.05 | Jaggz- | nsadmin, yeah.. it looks like dns is having a problem |
| 00:47.42 | nvz | well I know there is a f'n kitchen sync.. just dont know what the package name is |
| 00:47.44 | \u03b5 | hi, I'm attempting to update a few python packages and it involves removing python-pgsql. However, the uninstallation script tells me /usr/bin/python does not point to python2.6 and that I should make it happen. Yet update-alternatives and python --version tell me it is indeed python2.6 |
| 00:47.48 | nsadmin | Jaggz-, one of the more common situations, is you have an internal net and want to ssh between the machines inside |
| 00:47.52 | C-Kermit | openSUSE has turned into a hysterical old maid in old age |
| 00:48.08 | \u03b5 | what can I do to remove python-pgsql? (I don't use that module anyhow) |
| 00:48.14 | nvz | ,versions kitchensync |
| 00:48.15 | judd | Package: kitchensync on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-5 |
| 00:48.25 | nvz | apparently there isn't a kitchen sync anymore.. heh |
| 00:48.38 | \u03b5 | erm |
| 00:48.39 | nvz | needs a new joke |
| 00:48.53 | Jaggz- | external |
| 00:48.55 | \u03b5 | I'd tell you which version of debian I'm running, but lsb_release crashes *.* |
| 00:49.23 | nvz | \u03b5: cat /etc/debian_version or dpkg -l libc6 |
| 00:49.27 | nsadmin | \u03b5, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:49.38 | nvz | ,versions libc6 |
| 00:49.39 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-32; wheezy: 2.13-32 |
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| 00:50.06 | nsadmin | Jaggz-, so you're sshing out? |
| 00:50.10 | \u03b5 | 2.11.2-10 |
| 00:50.23 | \u03b5 | guess that's on the list of things to update |
| 00:50.25 | nvz | \u03b5: outdated squeeze ;) |
| 00:50.42 | nvz | else its not official debian.. |
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| 00:51.12 | \u03b5 | it might not be, not my image, runs on a vps |
| 00:51.17 | Sw33NY | okay sussudio there is some tips to know what causing segmentation fault ? |
| 00:51.27 | nvz | o.O |
| 00:51.45 | \u03b5 | but likely just outdated on the libc part |
| 00:52.11 | nvz | \u03b5: yeah well the problem with that theory is, stable debian releases don't change version numbers |
| 00:52.25 | Jaggz- | looks like my own ns might be messing up.. |
| 00:52.27 | nvz | \u03b5: only the part after the - would change |
| 00:52.41 | \u03b5 | ah |
| 00:52.51 | nvz | \u03b5: see the 2.1-18lenny7 above |
| 00:52.59 | Jaggz- | nsadmin, yeah.. but that just showed me there was a problem.. |
| 00:52.59 | \u03b5 | 6.0.2 in /etc/debian_version |
| 00:53.09 | Jaggz- | my dns is not working for some reason.. named is running.. |
| 00:53.33 | sussudio | Sw33NY: google for what you're getting on your screen |
| 00:53.34 | nvz | \u03b5: we'll just call it a dated squeeze and possibly slightly basterdized by the VPS company |
| 00:54.06 | Sw33NY | is segmentation fault is logged ? |
| 00:54.09 | nsadmin | Jaggz-, do you have an internal domain (like mine is something along the lines of nsadmin.internal)? |
| 00:54.18 | \u03b5 | well, there's a libc update in store, I'll see which that is |
| 00:54.19 | Jaggz- | no it's global.. |
| 00:54.49 | Sw33NY | I have remove 2x8GiB of ram and at the moment it seems to working great but if never it retry again ... |
| 00:55.07 | Jaggz- | I got an alert that a website of mine was having problems.. went to check on what was going on and noticed the login-password prompt slowdown.. checking out the nameserver and our isp's is working but ours isn't |
| 00:55.15 | nvz | \u03b5: if you do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it should be 2.11.3-3 |
| 00:55.30 | Jaggz- | I restarted named.. I can telnet to it (53) (I don't know dns protocol though).. :) |
| 00:55.33 | nsadmin | Jaggz-, oh, you have a really domain... ok |
| 00:55.44 | \u03b5 | 2.11.3-3 tells apt-cache indeed |
| 00:55.46 | Jaggz- | dig @myserver_ip -x my_ip doesn't work |
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| 00:56.21 | \u03b5 | now however I'm pretty sure I'll get stuck because of python-pgsql before apt can do any post-install stuff |
| 00:56.37 | sussudio | Sw33NY: have you ran memtest86? |
| 00:56.57 | nsadmin | Jaggz-, I'm pretty good with finding dns problems... if you want you could msg me the domain and I could see what's up |
| 00:57.08 | Sw33NY | sussudio, not, will doing this when reboot the computer |
| 00:57.24 | sussudio | Sw33NY: that's usually the first thing you try |
| 00:57.25 | nvz | \u03b5: a generic way to solve that sort of issue is to put "exit 0" at the top of the post-install script |
| 00:57.34 | \u03b5 | where is it stored? |
| 00:57.44 | nvz | \u03b5: may temporarily break the package and any depending on it, but it'll move things along |
| 00:57.52 | Sw33NY | sussudio, then segmentation fault is usually ram issue ? |
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| 00:58.49 | nvz | \u03b5: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 00:59.06 | nsadmin | I thought segfault was an access to memory that doesn't exist at the address accessed |
| 00:59.13 | nvz | \u03b5: will be names packagename.postinst or such |
| 00:59.48 | nvz | \u03b5: then just do dpkg --pending --configure , or apt-get -f install or dpkg --configure -a any of which should finish up and successfylly exit that script |
| 01:00.09 | sussudio | Sw33NY: that, or a bad driver, or maybe bad power supply |
| 01:00.21 | \u03b5 | yep, thanks, it's out of the queue now |
| 01:00.26 | Sw33NY | what ???? bad power supply |
| 01:00.56 | sussudio | the power supply is making it all work... if it's not okay, things will not work okay. |
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| 01:01.30 | Jaggz- | someone's attacking us |
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| 01:01.42 | sussudio | with squirrels? |
| 01:02.07 | nvz | sussudio: in soviet russia, you make power supply work.. |
| 01:02.14 | \u03b5 | might as well do the full upgrade now |
| 01:02.33 | Sw33NY | it's corsair gold 850w ax series |
| 01:02.35 | sussudio | in soviet russia, you have no power. |
| 01:03.09 | nvz | you do if you run on a giant hamster wheel |
| 01:03.40 | sussudio | all hamsters were sent to siberia. |
| 01:03.46 | redv | tarballs are suppose to be round like a ball.... but the help is saying it puts things in blocks?? |
| 01:03.59 | nvz | no wait.. thats right.. in soviet russia giant hamster wheel runs on you so.. |
| 01:04.09 | redv | http://i.imgur.com/9YOsV.jpg |
| 01:04.43 | nvz | redv: heh |
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| 01:05.09 | trysten | can i see what packages were installed last? maybe like a list off all packages in chronological order? |
| 01:05.20 | nvz | trysten: you can't |
| 01:05.24 | trysten | ok |
| 01:05.37 | nvz | the dpkg database doesn't keep install time/date |
| 01:05.41 | \u03b5 | you can figure it out from the logs at best |
| 01:05.58 | trysten | figured i'd check |
| 01:06.06 | trysten | maybe that should be an option though |
| 01:06.18 | nvz | yeah lots of people seem to think it'd be useful but nobody ever implemented it that I'm aware |
| 01:06.28 | \u03b5 | there are dates in /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 01:07.09 | nvz | the file is empty on my system |
| 01:07.31 | nvz | ah, logrotate.. |
| 01:07.51 | \u03b5 | mhm, log roulette |
| 01:08.11 | nvz | oh well, I learned something.. bedtime.. heh |
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| 01:13.20 | peterrooney | there's also dpkg.log; but my vote is for "cryptic" |
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| 01:17.58 | C-Kermit | Does "alpine" mail handler use directory spool, or file spool? anyone know? |
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| 01:26.36 | danols_trottage_ | hi all! |
| 01:28.10 | danols_trottage_ | can someone with some experience save my hair line? I setup dante socks proxy, now I want to secure it so a login is required, I can't not figure it out, if I use method = username none borwsers I tried (opera, IE, firefox) pop up a password box, also in logs I get: client offered no acceptable authenticationmethod |
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| 01:29.03 | danols_trottage_ | or should I be using a different proxy software ? |
| 01:29.50 | Pnoexz | hey, im debootraping and i mistakenly took the .udeb one. Im following 2 tutorials and both say to cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV generic. There isnt a MAKEDEV script on udeb (aparently). Will this be a problem? |
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| 01:34.21 | nsadmin | udeb? udev? |
| 01:34.46 | bardzusny | Pnoexz: Can you show these tutorials? I never stumbled upon using MAKEDEV, even though I'm close to debootstrap addict |
| 01:34.54 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: udev, aparently.. not only i grabbed the "wrong" image, i also misread the name |
| 01:35.06 | Pnoexz | bardzusny: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 01:35.07 | danols_trottage_ | anyone with proxy dante setup ? |
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| 01:36.35 | Pnoexz | so it seems udev loads /dev dynamically instead of statically.. i cant seem to find the performance difference between the two, does anybody know? |
| 01:36.44 | bardzusny | Pnoexz: the second one looks older than my notebook |
| 01:36.53 | bardzusny | and I assure you it's not so new |
| 01:37.10 | bardzusny | 2.4...not my era ;-) |
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| 01:38.06 | Pnoexz | bardzusny: well, its better explained than the one on debian.org, so im following both |
| 01:38.16 | bardzusny | I always used mount --bind when faced with chroot |
| 01:38.28 | bardzusny | mount --bind /dev/ /chroot/dev/ |
| 01:38.37 | bardzusny | the same for /sys/ and /proc/ |
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| 01:39.28 | youuuus | hi bonjour |
| 01:39.36 | Pirat | hi, anyone here to talk with? ;) |
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| 01:40.02 | bardzusny | Pirat: judd never ignores you, you can talk to him |
| 01:40.10 | Pnoexz | oh well, kinda too late for that now.. ill go wit udev, if its doesnt work, ill just switch to the other one and mount --bind |
| 01:40.10 | youuuus | :0 |
| 01:40.16 | youuuus | lol |
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| 01:50.21 | youuuus | #udernet |
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| 01:57.15 | WarTurkey | Before bothering to ask a question, I just wanted to know if anyone is actually on here (I'm getting a whole lot of messages about people quitting and such)? |
| 01:57.46 | WarTurkey | ...Or rather if this would be an appropriate place to even ask a question? |
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| 01:57.56 | vespakoen | You still have internet dude =P |
| 01:57.57 | vespakoen | go ahead |
| 01:58.40 | engla | WarTurkey: lots of people quitting is because lots of people are in the channel (1110 people) |
| 01:58.52 | WarTurkey | Ok, simple, I'm sure, but anyway, my understanding is that if I were to remove "exim4," that I may have some system issues, however it is really slowing my boot time down. |
| 01:58.55 | WarTurkey | I see. |
| 01:58.57 | engla | most of whom will be idle and silent |
| 01:59.09 | WarTurkey | I just did't see any actual chat, so I wondered if anyone was actually there. |
| 01:59.35 | WarTurkey | But, I'm running an old iBook w/ 160MB RAM, and it runs fine, minus the 2-3 mins to load exim4. |
| 01:59.48 | WarTurkey | is there anything I can change to make that go faster without breaking anything else in the background? |
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| 02:00.11 | engla | that's very little ram |
| 02:00.23 | engla | WarTurkey: what would break if you remove exim4? |
| 02:00.33 | engla | I think if you don't use it, it should be fine to remove |
| 02:00.44 | WarTurkey | Yea, I'm not sure how much I can put into it, but I only use the terminal anyway, I don't use a graphical environment |
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| 02:01.08 | engla | xfce maybe works |
| 02:01.22 | WarTurkey | I'm not sure, I have to admit that I have not read into the issue recently :\ but I was wondering if there's anyone knows of anything that is a dead givaway. |
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| 02:01.32 | WarTurkey | perhaps there really is no issue, and I am completely mistaken. |
| 02:01.46 | WarTurkey | ...Or perhaps it was just the fact that Debian complains about not having an MTA> |
| 02:02.00 | WarTurkey | You think it would run alright on PowerPC hardware, though? |
| 02:02.31 | lusers | WarTurkey: Maybe try disabling exim4 with update-rc.d -- Maybe you don't need it after all. Best to test it first before you remove it? |
| 02:02.50 | engla | sure debian is probably the best distro for powerpc. |
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| 02:03.42 | WarTurkey | Yea, I am no pro with Linux, but I'm not a complete idiot with terminals, and I can usually figure stuff out. |
| 02:03.59 | WarTurkey | I didn't know debian was any "good" on ppc. |
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| 02:04.20 | WarTurkey | I don't think I know of anything in particular that *would* be, however I never thought of debian as such. |
| 02:04.29 | WarTurkey | I'll try update-rd.c |
| 02:04.34 | WarTurkey | *update-rc.d |
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| 02:05.08 | engla | well debian has a powerpc port to begin with, and it has lots of arches so bugs concerning non-x86 are resolved too |
| 02:05.30 | Pnoexz | hey, i just finished installing debian with debootstrap and i just noticed it never asked me for a user |
| 02:05.42 | engla | don't know about the installer/boot support anymore, but it works fine on the ibook I have but don't use much anymore |
| 02:05.55 | engla | which though is probably a later model |
| 02:06.29 | WarTurkey | yea, I am surprised that I actually have Wheezy running on mine without any real problems. |
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| 02:06.55 | WarTurkey | It pretty much eats half of that 160MB without the graphics, but it's still rather fast for what I need it to do. |
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| 02:08.13 | WarTurkey | .....Aparently I never brought my iBook *home* with me...... |
| 02:08.30 | WarTurkey | Well, I suppose I shall correct the issue tomorrow! Thanks anyway! |
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| 02:12.42 | engla | Pnoexz: that's messy since the chroot can't have a user namespace separate from the host |
| 02:12.53 | engla | doesn't it just copy down the host users? |
| 02:13.51 | bardzusny | Pnoexz: chroot and 'adduser' |
| 02:14.14 | Pnoexz | engla: doesnt seem to be the same as in /etc/passwd |
| 02:14.23 | Pnoexz | bardzusny: what about root password? |
| 02:14.27 | engla | ok |
| 02:14.31 | bardzusny | Pnoexz: 'passwd' |
| 02:14.35 | bardzusny | it copies /etc/hostname |
| 02:14.40 | bardzusny | (from host) |
| 02:15.06 | bardzusny | which is a nuisance really, there should be command line option to set it manually |
| 02:15.15 | Pnoexz | oh, great, thanks |
| 02:15.59 | bardzusny | Pnoexz: if it's supposed to run as "normal" OS, not in chroot, remember to install grub and linux-image and stuff |
| 02:16.09 | bardzusny | sorry if your guides already spoke about that |
| 02:16.15 | Pnoexz | bardzusny: yup, already done |
| 02:16.30 | Pnoexz | theres no such thing as too many "dont forget to.." |
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| 02:27.52 | engla | update fstab etc |
| 02:29.06 | bardzusny | if you have your system on single partition, fstab is not neccessary |
| 02:29.14 | bardzusny | otherwise, yes |
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| 02:32.11 | fir31ight | does anyone know if aws ami-75287b30 has problems with ssh or need special setup? |
| 02:32.31 | fir31ight | first time trying to spin up a 64bit and having problems. |
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| 02:46.00 | ddalton | I'm having a problem where sound from root eg. my screen reader cuase im blind works, but user sounds eg. music etc. do not work. how can I fix this problem? is it pulseaudio causing this? |
| 02:46.14 | ddalton | I tried removing pulseaudio but it has a whole heap of dependencies including gnome-core |
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| 03:10.34 | asdfasdf | hi there, good night |
| 03:10.37 | yac | when building a package from source, is it possible to set package version other way than via changelog ? |
| 03:11.54 | asdfasdf | Is there a practical way to use disk encryption on a computer that must run unnatended (self poweron on power interrupt, will work as firewall)? |
| 03:12.29 | yac | asdfasdf: i dont think so |
| 03:12.54 | yac | maybe some magic via remote boot would work |
| 03:13.15 | yac | but then you depend on the remote connection |
| 03:13.28 | asdfasdf | yac: like network boot you mean? |
| 03:13.37 | yac | yup |
| 03:13.52 | asdfasdf | Hmmmmm nice idea, maybe its possible that way...... |
| 03:14.05 | yac | it has a fundamental issue that the machine needs to get keys _somehow_ |
| 03:15.03 | yac | _somehow_ usualy is that someone is attending the boot process, if you want that unattended you need to figure out other _secure way_, otherwise the encryption is useless |
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| 03:16.24 | asdfasdf | yac: Yes, Ive been thinking about it all day |
| 03:16.30 | yac | so, only thing that comes to mind is remote boot or kind of service boot which then obtains the keys via some network service |
| 03:17.00 | bardzusny | initrd with ssh sounds great and a lot of fun to set up |
| 03:17.08 | yac | but in this setup, you also need that box in a secure location, so you can refuse sending the keys when you know the whole eg. building has been compromised |
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| 03:18.16 | asdfasdf | initrd with ssh? hows that? |
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| 03:19.02 | yac | or some other measure to ensure you can send the keys, otherwise it is again almost no different than leaving the keys on the machine itself |
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| 03:19.32 | bardzusny | asdfasdf: you can quite easily add ssh client and/or server to initrd |
| 03:20.07 | bardzusny | for example to get keys from remote ssh server, and then mount filesystems using these keys |
| 03:20.20 | bardzusny | I don't know your exact case, but everything is possible |
| 03:20.56 | bardzusny | if you want it to stop working/booting, deny ssh access |
| 03:22.27 | yac | asdfasdf: i think, basicly you can never be sure its safe to reboot encrypted machine remotely. You can only set precautions to get higher probability it indeed is safe, depends on what other tools you have available (like secure building) and what is the threat (like, just somebody stealing the machine or somebody attacking on the data) |
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| 03:24.34 | irinix | Hi. So I'm setting up my first LVM Raid today, and I encountered this after install: mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found, then drops to busy box about 10 seconds later. I've googled the problem, and I see LOTS of answers, but I'm not quite sure which one fits my scenario, is anyone available to help? |
| 03:25.22 | asdfasdf | maybe I should keep as few services as possible on that machine and everything like logs and stuff should be written to a encrypted fileserver |
| 03:25.48 | asdfasdf | maybe encrypted filesystem on a FW is not a practical idea |
| 03:26.02 | yac | asdfasdf: depends if you need to RW or just W |
| 03:26.47 | yac | if you need R access, remote encrypted filesystem wont help you |
| 03:28.06 | asdfasdf | ok, please help me with that, how can I W but no RW? |
| 03:28.26 | yac | if you need W access, remote encrypted fs could work, but then you need a service to ensure you can append only |
| 03:28.57 | yac | otherwise compromised agent system could destroy existing data |
| 03:29.05 | yac | on the encrypted remote |
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| 03:29.22 | maurer | Anyone have a good way to switch to a cryptohome _post_ installation? |
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| 03:34.24 | irinix | mdadm --detail is showing that the disks are there, and that the raid is clean... |
| 03:34.32 | asdfasdf | Yes, I think maybe encrypted filesystem for a unnatended boot system is very complicated |
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| 03:35.01 | asdfasdf | everything is possible but maybe I should distribute services on other hosts so I don't need to implement that |
| 03:35.04 | asdfasdf | another issue... I want to create a really secure firewall, basicaly all my infrastructre will depend on it. I want some way to automaticaly "hash" or something my definitive system just before putting it online so any change will be noticed |
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| 03:35.42 | tsccof | I need to have SFTP support on PHP, but I can't find the right package.. can anyone help? |
| 03:37.02 | yac | asdfasdf: figure out what you want to protect against what |
| 03:38.38 | asdfasdf | I mean like someone getting into my fw and changing its behavior without me getting notice of it until is too late |
| 03:39.19 | yac | if the attackers gets in without reboot encryption wont help you |
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| 03:39.56 | bardzusny | you can do checksum of filesystem in initrd, before booting |
| 03:40.26 | jagginess | asdfasdf, check out dconf-editor.. |
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| 03:40.45 | bardzusny | I mean, when booting |
| 03:40.53 | bardzusny | but before init |
| 03:41.04 | asdfasdf | yac thats right, I didnt think about it :S |
| 03:42.22 | yac | asdfasdf: changing what - code or data? |
| 03:42.50 | asdfasdf | I can create checksums for specific partition and then checking configuration files only like /etc |
| 03:43.06 | asdfasdf | yac: changes on code will represent changes on data, i think |
| 03:43.32 | yac | code doesnt change once the machine is installed, data do |
| 03:43.42 | asdfasdf | I mean I want to check if my iptables config was changed, i.e. |
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| 03:43.52 | jagginess | data do doto? |
| 03:44.07 | jagginess | never seen data as a subject phrase |
| 03:44.20 | bardzusny | asdfasdf: place initrd and kernel on read-only medium, so only someone with physical access can modify it |
| 03:44.35 | bardzusny | i initrd run all kinds of checks you like to make sure nothing changed |
| 03:44.49 | bardzusny | in* |
| 03:44.56 | maurer | Is there a way that I can get an encrypted homedir ala ubuntu that mounts on login? |
| 03:45.14 | bardzusny | maurer: of course |
| 03:45.33 | maurer | bardzusny: And is there a resource I could use to do this? I've been googling and haven't found much of use. |
| 03:45.38 | bardzusny | post_installation...I hope you don't have too much data in /home/ right now |
| 03:45.52 | yac | maurer: i think there is something around cryptsetup |
| 03:46.20 | maurer | bardzusny: I've got a lot in /home, but I can copy it elsewhere, set it up, and copy it back if that's necessary |
| 03:46.44 | rypervenche | ,versions gimp |
| 03:46.45 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; wheezy: 2.6.12-1+b2; sid: 2.8.0-2 |
| 03:46.48 | bardzusny | maurer: I would opt for fresh install if I was you, installer can do it cleany and easily |
| 03:46.51 | bardzusny | cleanly* |
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| 03:47.18 | maurer | bardzusny: I have a custom kernel and a few other things on this machine, it would take a while to get it back to this state after a fresh install |
| 03:47.24 | maurer | yac: Do you know what it's called? |
| 03:47.43 | jagginess | maurer, data do? |
| 03:48.35 | bardzusny | maurer: http://stolowski.blogspot.com/2011/06/debian-60-encrypting-home-partition.html |
| 03:48.36 | maurer | jagginess: I don't understand the question |
| 03:49.06 | bardzusny | I thought it's tricky, but now I see it's only home dir |
| 03:49.14 | maurer | bardzusny: Not quite what I was looking for, but it'll do for now |
| 03:49.15 | craigevil | rypervenche, if you want gimp 2.8 on stable you will need to compile it yourself, see http://verahill.blogspot.com/2012/05/compiling-gimp-28-on-debian.html |
| 03:49.33 | rypervenche | craigevil: I'm on Testing. |
| 03:49.42 | bardzusny | maurer: what were you looking for exactly? |
| 03:49.48 | craigevil | version in sid should install ok |
| 03:49.50 | jagginess | http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem , http://www.google.ca/search?q=debian+wiki+encrypting+filesystem&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 03:50.07 | maurer | bardzusny: My goal is that I want it it to on login, decrypt and mount my user's home directory. On logoff, unmont it |
| 03:50.18 | maurer | I want it to do this keyed off my login password. |
| 03:50.20 | craigevil | maurer, truecrypt would probably be easier |
| 03:50.40 | maurer | craigevil: I opted against full drive encryption on this system as it is an SSD |
| 03:51.10 | bardzusny | maurer, I never thought about it this way |
| 03:51.12 | craigevil | truecrypt can encrypt /home or just individual directories |
| 03:51.22 | jagginess | maurer, the trim feature is suppored for SSD.. if your SSD drive has the trim feature then that's good |
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| 03:51.52 | bardzusny | if you could pass somehow password you enter on login to start-up shell script, that would be interesting |
| 03:52.05 | maurer | bardzusny: This is the implementation ubuntu uses, and it works nicely |
| 03:52.09 | jagginess | bardzusny, ya.. so? |
| 03:52.24 | jagginess | bardzusny, you can use "expect" too (a scripting tool) |
| 03:52.49 | maurer | jagginess: The problem is that the security implications of trim are unknown for encrypted filesystems - all the proofs are written with the assumption that the disk starts fully randomized and you can't tell what's been written to |
| 03:52.51 | rypervenche | craigevil: I can wait. I'm just curious why this says it's already in testing... http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gimp |
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| 03:53.06 | bardzusny | maurer: sorry, didn't use ubuntu in quite a *big* while, I see what you mean |
| 03:53.27 | jagginess | maurer, no. talking about the longetivity of the drive.. latest kernels are getting more trim support for ssd media |
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| 03:53.49 | maurer | bardzusny: Yeah, I switched off of it due to a too-much-magic issue, but figured there was a good chance debian had this particular magic. |
| 03:53.50 | craigevil | weird |
| 03:54.11 | asdfasdf | yac, bardzusny thanks!! |
| 03:54.32 | jagginess | maurer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM |
| 03:54.46 | bardzusny | http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/enchome |
| 03:55.21 | bardzusny | "Mounting at login" part, I think you can follow it after the thingy I linked earlier |
| 03:55.29 | jagginess | maurer, you can encrypt the whole system if you want on SSD.. but I'd use not a first-generation SSD drive without trim support |
| 03:56.10 | maurer | jagginess: The problem isn't TRIM support. I have TRIM fully working under ext4 here. I was just explaining why I wasn't doing a full encrypted system, namely that most cryptmounts do not play well with TRIM. |
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| 03:56.37 | jagginess | maurer, trim is irrelevant to filesystems.. has nothing to do with it.. |
| 03:56.43 | jagginess | rtfm. |
| 03:56.46 | jagginess | goes to sleep |
| 03:57.06 | engla | that's untrue |
| 03:57.55 | bardzusny | I never used SSD, but I'd consider encrypting everything except /usr/, which takes most space anyway |
| 03:58.23 | bardzusny | if you use swap you /definitely/ want it encrypted... but if you have SSD, you probably also have so much run that it's not your thing :) |
| 03:58.27 | bardzusny | s/run/ram |
| 03:59.09 | maurer | bardzusny: I don't have swap |
| 03:59.23 | lusers | To what point is swap unnecessary? 4GB? 8GB? 12GB? |
| 03:59.45 | maurer | lusers: I have found that at 8 GB it's unlikely to be necessary, at 12 GB completely unnecessary |
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| 04:00.48 | bardzusny | you guys make me envious, I have 2gb and rarely use swap |
| 04:00.48 | engla | It's good to be swapless. if something is snowballing memory, I want it too be oom-killed ASAP, not to start swapping |
| 04:01.47 | bardzusny | take note of syslogs in var and configuration files in etc, these are tiny but I think better to be encrypted |
| 04:02.03 | lusers | etc is like 15MB. |
| 04:04.23 | maurer | bardzusny: My primary purpose here is that I'm going to be flying internationally the next few days, and would rather my browser passwords and other similar shit doesn't end up in a database somewhere |
| 04:04.23 | bardzusny | logs can get heavy if you don't delete them (like me) |
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| 04:05.50 | bardzusny | I understand |
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| 04:06.33 | bardzusny | just one thing to mention, if you already have personal data on your disk, you need to shred it to be sure it's not there anymore |
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| 04:06.50 | bardzusny | as in 'shred' command... however I'm not sure how SSD's take it |
| 04:07.22 | maurer | bardzusny: This is one of the ways in which trim is good |
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| 04:07.54 | maurer | If I do a manual trim pass over my disk, the data will be gone, because ssd cells are actually 1-0-notpresent |
| 04:08.00 | bardzusny | Is trim something that helps with wear-leveling when using encrypted fs on ssd? |
| 04:09.12 | maurer | bardzusny: No, trim is something so you can tell an SSD it can drop the data from some portion of the disk |
| 04:09.36 | maurer | bardzusny: Which allows it to in turn do more efficient hardware wear leveling, and to increase speed due to scratchpad techniques used for writing |
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| 04:10.09 | bardzusny | funky hardware these days |
| 04:10.33 | bardzusny | off |
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| 04:10.40 | bardzusny | good luck with sweet encryption |
| 04:10.49 | lusers | I don't have SSD too -- but if you're only going to fly internationally for next few days, can't you deal with full encryption for next few days too? |
| 04:12.03 | engla | I'm more worried about ext4's discard support not being enabled by default because of lacking testing |
| 04:12.14 | engla | than of the crypt issues |
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| 04:12.52 | engla | it is probably safe, right? |
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| 04:14.47 | maurer | lusers: I could, but it would be a pita to pivot the entire system off when really I only need to deal with a small payload |
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| 04:16.35 | lusers | maurer: Have you seen this? http://wiki.debian.org/SSDoptimization |
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| 04:17.29 | maurer | lusers: Not that specifically, but I have similar options set |
| 04:17.56 | lusers | maurer: #lvm might be an excellent support for SSD since they deal with lvm (and sometimes cryptsetup). Sure, it's not LVM, but they might know something about SSDs. |
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| 04:29.21 | lusers | maurer: Let me know if that helped your situation. :) |
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| 04:30.31 | maurer | lusers: Not really. |
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| 04:39.29 | kenifanying | hi, I try to download linuxmint iso image via "aria2c ftp://ftp6.sjtu.edu.cn/linuxmint-cd/stable/13/linuxmint-13-cinnamon-dvd-32bit.iso", but I get some errors, see http://paste.debian.net/171335/ , my system is debian squeeze, is aria2c doesn't support ipv6? |
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| 04:45.19 | karlpinc | was most concerned about 4kb block alignment with my ssd. Mostly it'll be right, but if it's wrong it'll truely suck. |
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| 04:45.34 | karlpinc | !tell maurer about 4kb |
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| 04:52.45 | gyaresu | Crickets |
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| 05:09.18 | hakr | can anyone tell me how to get setup application to find the win32-loader file? |
| 05:09.26 | hakr | it's right next to it |
| 05:09.33 | hakr | gives me an error |
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| 05:10.55 | nsadmin | Hi. trying to get my cups which is running on a gateway to talk to my cups running on a not-gateway machine on one of two internal nets served by that gateway... |
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| 05:13.41 | nsadmin | hakr, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 05:14.44 | hakr | i'm trying to install it w/o a working cd drive |
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| 05:18.25 | nsadmin | hakr, install which? |
| 05:19.17 | hakr | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 05:19.22 | hakr | problem solved |
| 05:19.39 | nsadmin | oh, it's working? good enuf :) |
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| 05:42.05 | MO_Handes | I want to configure .profile to set the default desktop manager to KDE and Gnome alternatively so every time I login it loads KDE or Gnome by default |
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| 05:43.30 | sinorev | hello |
| 05:43.32 | MO_Handes | if x is even then set default desktop manager to gnome else set default desktop manager to kde > .profile |
| 05:43.42 | MO_Handes | any suggestion?! |
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| 05:52.03 | MO_Handes | what is the command or the file to edit to change the default desktop manager (KDE or Gnome)? |
| 05:53.13 | sinorev | it seems to be infinitely harder to get software raid 1 working in debian squeeze than it ever was in arch linux |
| 05:53.22 | sinorev | and I don't mean at the installer level |
| 05:53.36 | sinorev | for those of you that compile your own kernels |
| 05:53.48 | cantido | sinorev: mdadm is all you need.. |
| 05:53.54 | sinorev | yeah! that's what I thought! |
| 05:54.05 | sinorev | if you compile your own kernels |
| 05:54.23 | sinorev | do you have to use ramdisks in debian by default |
| 05:54.29 | cantido | why do you need to compile your own kernel? |
| 05:54.31 | sinorev | when running RAID |
| 05:54.44 | sinorev | I want the latest i915 support |
| 05:55.09 | sinorev | and support for my RaLINK wireless card |
| 05:55.15 | cantido | most modules are in the initramfs with the standard debian kernels.. you can build your own kernels with stuff compiled in if you really want |
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| 05:55.24 | sinorev | ah |
| 05:55.28 | cantido | sinorev: are you running stable? |
| 05:55.30 | sinorev | yes |
| 05:55.38 | cantido | get a kernel backport |
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| 05:55.56 | sinorev | I switched from arch because I got tired of upgrading most of my system every week |
| 05:56.10 | sinorev | here's my issue -- |
| 05:56.23 | sinorev | I am running the same RAID config in debian as I was in arch |
| 05:56.31 | sinorev | metadata=0.90 for compatibility |
| 05:56.44 | sinorev | all necessary filesystem support and RAID drivers built into the kernel |
| 05:56.52 | sinorev | kernel is built from same kernel config files |
| 05:56.55 | cantido | sinorev: write out your issue in a single message press enter |
| 05:57.00 | sinorev | sure |
| 05:57.31 | nsadmin | I'm guessing the debian installer can't see the raid array? |
| 05:57.49 | sinorev | Nope -- not running Debian installer, doing it after installation manually via mdadm |
| 05:58.30 | nsadmin | oh, ok, so some of your storage is not in any array, and you're using some of that to install debian onto? |
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| 05:58.44 | cantido | wonders why people do things the hard way and then blame debian :p |
| 05:59.08 | sinorev | When I set up the grub.cfg (through the /etc/grub.d/<files> directory, and then I do an grub-update... Everything works (no ramdisk) ONLY if I say root=(md0) and then linux /kernelpath root=/dev/sdc2 ro |
| 05:59.10 | nsadmin | if they blame debian, do they realize that's two people? :) |
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| 05:59.47 | cantido | nsadmin: I bet ian regrets naming it debian now he's divorced .. heh |
| 06:00.14 | sinorev | If I say linux /kernelpath root=/dev/md1 (raid 1 equivalent of /dev/sdc2) the kernel boot process will freeze shortly after the md1 drive is loaded |
| 06:00.17 | sinorev | cantido: heh |
| 06:00.49 | cantido | sinorev: do you get a panic? or does it hard lock? |
| 06:00.52 | sinorev | So from these results, I know my kernel was located and managed to be loaded to an extent |
| 06:00.56 | sinorev | no panic |
| 06:01.18 | cantido | if you dont have an initramfs and the kernel can't mount root you should get a panic |
| 06:01.37 | nsadmin | sinorev, you should boot again, then see if linux-image* is in /var/cache/apt/archive/ |
| 06:01.40 | cantido | if the kernel just locks up.. you have biffer issues |
| 06:01.45 | cantido | s/biffer/bigger/ |
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| 06:02.25 | sinorev | cantido: however, when I use /dev/sdc2 as /root I get unknown mdX partition table issues from mdadm but the same kernel boots successfully |
| 06:03.09 | sinorev | by locking up I mean, I have to hard reset, however, that's probably because my USB keyboard didn't get loaded yet. I wouldn't say it's a hard freeze though |
| 06:03.23 | cantido | sinorev: I would just try one of the backported 3.x series kernels ... |
| 06:04.10 | sinorev | is squeeze's grub still shaky with SATA RAID? and should I be running grub legacy, or grub 2? |
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| 06:04.48 | cantido | grub doesnt care IIRC.. it gets install to both drives for raid1 |
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| 06:23.04 | nsadmin | danmackay, figure out your connection |
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| 06:23.46 | nsadmin | danmackay, figure out your connection |
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| 06:33.22 | peterrooney | Like it lasts long enough to read your message... |
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| 06:41.57 | kingsley | !kingsley |
| 06:41.57 | dpkg | i heard kingsley is http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
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| 06:43.40 | MO_Handes | if /usr/sbin/gdm3 is the path to gdm executable what is the path to kdm ?! |
| 06:44.47 | krion | which kdm |
| 06:44.54 | nsadmin | try: which kdm and dpkg -L kdm |
| 06:45.12 | nsadmin | (latter only if you have it installed |
| 06:45.15 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 06:45.58 | MO_Handes | tnx |
| 06:46.00 | nsadmin | and if not you can: /msg judd file bin/kdm |
| 06:46.21 | nsadmin | the bot will msg you back |
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| 07:08.01 | sinorev | I am actually surprised that so many other linux users have told me to use the precompiled kernels |
| 07:08.25 | sinorev | when I first got into Linux around 1997, (tell me if I'm wrong), it was almost essential to compile your own |
| 07:08.37 | sinorev | but nowadays I'm guessing it's something of a waste of time? |
| 07:08.50 | gyaresu | sinorev: Depends what you're running on. Remember the compile times? :) |
| 07:08.51 | sinorev | unless you have very specialized needs |
| 07:08.56 | sinorev | god... yeah |
| 07:09.08 | sinorev | they were awful! |
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| 07:09.28 | sinorev | nowadays, this core i5 box with 16gb/ram will do a 3.2.x series kernel in around 5min |
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| 07:09.39 | gyaresu | sinorev: So kernel comes bundled with everything but due to hardware is not really a problem for a server or desktop |
| 07:09.50 | gyaresu | sinorev: Instead of overnight. |
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| 07:14.44 | lusers | "DISK FAILURE IS IMMINENT" :( |
| 07:15.04 | raptor67682 | hi |
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| 07:15.37 | raptor67682 | okay, so I have improved the code of a debian stable package by modifiying the orig.tar.gz. HOw can I upload my work ? |
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| 07:26.40 | ratatata | nu |
| 07:27.02 | Mogget | Is there some sort of standard Debian follows on what types of letters are allowed to be used in filenames? |
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| 07:29.35 | peterrooney | Mogget: which files in particular? User files are only limited by the filesystem |
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| 07:37.00 | Mogget | peterrooney: those are the ones I am talking about. |
| 07:37.19 | Mogget | OK, so look into the file systems that the program is going to run on. Thank you. |
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| 08:19.50 | raden | i keep getting a console message " INIT: id "co" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes " |
| 08:19.56 | raden | anyone know what that about ? |
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| 08:24.29 | skirmisha | guys |
| 08:24.39 | skirmisha | what is the problem with latest debian cron daemon |
| 08:24.49 | skirmisha | it does give me errors all the time with bad time etc... |
| 08:24.55 | nsadmin | raden, look in your /etc/inittab for an entry that starts co: |
| 08:24.59 | skirmisha | even though all is fine |
| 08:25.07 | raden | nsadmin, got it thanks :) |
| 08:25.13 | raden | stupid console |
| 08:25.22 | skirmisha | cron[1835]: Error: bad minute; while reading /etc/cron.d/ |
| 08:25.23 | nsadmin | that's the entry |
| 08:25.36 | skirmisha | how to fix it |
| 08:25.42 | skirmisha | is there update of cron daemon? |
| 08:25.46 | raden | nsadmin, yea serial port commented it out , its gone now |
| 08:26.08 | raden | skirmisha, i would presume by reading that error u have a bad entry , I could however be wrong |
| 08:26.44 | skirmisha | well entries are fine, i even comment out all entires and still get those errors |
| 08:27.04 | raden | let seee crontab |
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| 08:28.55 | skirmisha | must be something with cron.d directory |
| 08:29.06 | skirmisha | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555954 |
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| 08:31.20 | raden | skirmisha, i presume u tried removing crontab |
| 08:31.23 | raden | restarting cron |
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| 08:31.27 | skirmisha | yes |
| 08:31.27 | raden | and then redoing entried ? |
| 08:31.35 | raden | wow |
| 08:31.36 | raden | that sucsk |
| 08:31.39 | skirmisha | i commented all entires |
| 08:31.43 | skirmisha | stopped it and started it |
| 08:31.57 | skirmisha | upon start still gives me same errors even entires are commented out |
| 08:32.38 | skirmisha | must be cached somewhere |
| 08:33.04 | skirmisha | i presume all comes as i may have wrong date/time in first time but why now when all is deleted its still the same |
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| 08:33.26 | skirmisha | cron 3.0pl1-116 process scheduling daemon |
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| 08:39.24 | skirmisha | any ideas where to check |
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| 09:00.33 | fanaticgeek | hello everybody |
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| 09:01.35 | fanaticgeek | i am kind of struggling with my Debian VPS , i have drupal installed in it and it is taking lots of time to send any message . can you guys help me out with this ? |
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| 09:03.35 | doublehp | can an ARM binary run on an Intel CPU ? |
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| 09:04.45 | jelly-home | doublehp: only via an emulator+syscall translator like qemu |
| 09:05.07 | doublehp | no |
| 09:05.15 | doublehp | also possible via magic of bugs |
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| 09:05.57 | doublehp | jelly-home: I connect via ssh to an Intel server, start Iceweasel, go in help to see the version, and I am said that it's an ARM IceWeasel ... WTF ? |
| 09:06.26 | doublehp | tip: I had previously also started iceweasel from an other server which is ... ARM also via ssh X11 |
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| 09:07.01 | doublehp | still, how can I start an Intel Iceweasel without closing the Arm one ? |
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| 09:07.31 | jelly-home | doublehp: read "iceweasel -h" output, esp. -no-remote |
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| 09:08.05 | piklu | Hi guys |
| 09:08.10 | piklu | a little question |
| 09:08.14 | piklu | I need to buy a VPS |
| 09:08.25 | piklu | and this guy is giving me 16 times memory but a slower disk. |
| 09:08.41 | ompaul | piklu: we can't make a judgement for you on that |
| 09:08.45 | piklu | like usually i get 200 MB/sec but here he is providing 47 MB/sec |
| 09:08.45 | doublehp | if it's a remote issue, why did the ARM iceweasel not connect to any of the firefox previously open from the Gentoo workstation ? because FF is uncompatible with IW ? |
| 09:09.08 | jelly-home | doublehp: that sounds like a reasonable guess |
| 09:09.13 | piklu | so, debian......does it takes advantage of more RAM when it comes to serving files to webserver |
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| 09:09.37 | doublehp | explains why the arm one is still locking cli, while other ones gave hand back. |
| 09:09.49 | piklu | or a faster disk is better |
| 09:09.54 | piklu | with less ram |
| 09:10.37 | ompaul | piklu: the correct answer to that question is, what is your use case, does this suit your use case, if so you have to make a choice |
| 09:11.04 | piklu | ompaul : my use case is a heavy webserver, serving files |
| 09:11.15 | piklu | and php and node.js |
| 09:11.26 | ompaul | piklu: then you pay for testing for a month and then you know |
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| 09:12.09 | piklu | ompaul : he he |
| 09:12.16 | piklu | ompaul : smart answer |
| 09:12.18 | piklu | try them up |
| 09:12.57 | themill | doublehp: you might be interested in the -no-remote option to iceweasel/firefox |
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| 09:13.32 | doublehp | themill : jelly-home said that 3mn ago, but thanks. Yes that must be what I need |
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| 09:13.40 | doublehp | when was this feature introduced ? |
| 09:13.59 | themill | many years ago |
| 09:14.03 | doublehp | I created a bug in 2001 about this; the bug should probably be closed now ... |
| 09:14.33 | doublehp | I think it was with FF or TB <1.0 ... |
| 09:14.42 | piklu | doublehp : 2001 pre historic bug - not closed leads to debian hack |
| 09:14.43 | piklu | :) |
| 09:14.46 | doublehp | was firefox out in 2001 ? |
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| 09:15.00 | piklu | doublehp : yes they had it |
| 09:15.03 | jelly-home | doublehp: that was a feature in Netscape while it was still called that, and it carried over to mozilla |
| 09:15.07 | piklu | No |
| 09:15.08 | piklu | wait |
| 09:15.10 | piklu | may be not |
| 09:15.38 | doublehp | ah, Mozilla, that must be it |
| 09:15.40 | piklu | doublehp - 2004 birth |
| 09:15.45 | piklu | for firefox |
| 09:15.55 | doublehp | no, I reported the bug against Mozilla, that's right |
| 09:15.58 | piklu | 7 years of service |
| 09:16.17 | jelly-home | it's older than the phoenix/firebird/firefox browser |
| 09:16.28 | doublehp | gotta find my bug back, to close it :/ |
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| 09:18.25 | else- | since my last upgrade debian tries to bring up my eth0 device during boot (which takes long time), anyone knows why that might be? |
| 09:19.13 | yac | is there any generally agreed upon converter from python version to debian? |
| 09:19.17 | doublehp | else-: exim, or ntp* |
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| 09:19.34 | ompaul | ,versions python |
| 09:19.35 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; sid: 2.7.2-10; wheezy: 2.7.2-10 |
| 09:19.38 | doublehp | else-: it should timeout after 5mn |
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| 09:20.09 | doublehp | else-: you can speed it up many ways: remove NIC, or disable service start, or reconf the machine to not use them |
| 09:20.43 | else- | thanks, doublehp |
| 09:20.50 | cybrhuman1 | doublehp: reconfigure ntp? |
| 09:21.02 | doublehp | to not start :) |
| 09:21.06 | yac | ompaul: umm? |
| 09:21.45 | ompaul | yac: see judd the first couple of digits come from the package |
| 09:22.01 | themill | yac: I suspect that none of us understand what you've asked |
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| 09:22.40 | yac | those are just python version that are available |
| 09:22.40 | ompaul | yac: on sid for instance Python 2.7.3rc2 |
| 09:22.51 | ompaul | yac: correct |
| 09:23.24 | cybrhuman1 | doublehp: I don't get any questions from dpkg-reconfigure anymore... so I can't say when it should start. |
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| 09:23.31 | yac | i want an algorhitm for converting python versioning scheme to debian so it preservers sort ordering |
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| 09:23.47 | themill | yac: what does that mean? |
| 09:23.52 | ompaul | nothing to me |
| 09:24.37 | doublehp | cybrhuman1: ??? |
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| 09:26.19 | doublehp | so, I ask again: when you have 4 firefox windows, how to know which one is run by which computer ? |
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| 09:26.47 | else- | so, doublehp, i've just deinstalled my remaining exim4 and the ntp package, but it didn't help. the interface is brought up during "configuring network interfaces..." |
| 09:27.02 | ompaul | doublehp: in the title bar if you run it remotely it tends to have the name of the computer on the title bar |
| 09:27.13 | cybrhuman1 | doublehp: I assume you mean $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure ntp ? but that just stops and starts ntpd, may I ask where I should reconfigure ntp? |
| 09:27.20 | ompaul | doublehp: why FF shouldn't it be IW? |
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| 09:27.26 | doublehp | else-: reinstalling can't fix it; reinstall is always silent; for exim, try dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 09:27.49 | doublehp | else-: but you need to be sure which package made the freese: you have a logline just at unfreese time |
| 09:27.52 | ompaul | doublehp: what ubuntu does when that happens I have no idea, but in debian it carries the machine that it was started from |
| 09:28.05 | else- | doublehp: i do not have exim. i meant DEinstalling. |
| 09:28.07 | doublehp | ompaul: not in my case |
| 09:28.15 | Woet | why can't I adjust the /dev/ram0-15 sizes? I passed ramdisk_size to the grub line, but it's still 67 MB. |
| 09:28.39 | ompaul | doublehp: it works for me in the office sqeeze and sid boxes alike |
| 09:28.49 | doublehp | cybrhuman1: remove it from current runlevel, and remove anything that depends on it |
| 09:29.17 | ompaul | doublehp: I assume you put an individual host name on each box during the install |
| 09:29.46 | doublehp | ompaul: since gentoo won't have /etc/hostname : file:///etc/hosts :D |
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| 09:30.38 | themill | doublehp: most window managers put the remote hostname in the title bar of remote X clients |
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| 09:32.20 | cybrhuman1 | doublehp: ty :) |
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| 09:32.50 | doublehp | themill neither E17 nor E16 nor blackbox not fluxbox ... |
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| 09:40.17 | azertyu | hi |
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| 09:40.44 | azertyu | anyone ? |
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| 09:43.42 | azertyu | well this is the error what i got when i try to compile a package from my debian squeeze |
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| 09:47.53 | azertyu | heello |
| 09:47.57 | azertyu | anyoe ? |
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| 09:48.59 | themill | azertyu: I can't find any error message there |
| 09:48.59 | bensons | azertyu: i dont see any error there |
| 09:49.07 | bensons | :) |
| 09:49.40 | azertyu | line : 8722 |
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| 09:50.03 | bensons | azertyu: i just see warnings there |
| 09:50.05 | azertyu | Summary: There were 71 WARNING messages shown. |
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| 09:50.22 | themill | warning ≠ error |
| 09:50.51 | azertyu | if it 's there warning it should be for something |
| 09:51.19 | azertyu | i guess that the package not been completely compiled |
| 09:51.24 | azertyu | am i right ? |
| 09:51.32 | bensons | i think it compiled |
| 09:51.49 | bensons | check the warnings yourself and have fun removing them :) |
| 09:51.56 | jelly-home | azertyu: NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 3340 tasks of which 351 didn't need to be rerun and all succeeded. |
| 09:52.10 | jelly-home | azertyu: emphasis on "all succeeded" |
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| 09:54.02 | jelly-home | azertyu: you seem to be building an non-debian enviroment using non-debian scripts; perhaps try asking the opendreambox people what the warnings denote, if they worry you? |
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| 09:56.10 | azertyu | i can't find channel related with opendreambox |
| 09:56.13 | Mewmew0 | Hello |
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| 10:00.06 | mewmew0 | If I do apt-get uninstall on packages that I don't want, will it stop me if some other package has that as a dependency? |
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| 10:00.29 | mewmew0 | or whatever the specific command is, I can't remember |
| 10:00.31 | mewmew0 | new to aptitude |
| 10:00.36 | dawud | mewmew0: it will ask to remove all deps |
| 10:00.58 | dawud | mewmew0: ..and pkgs that depend on those too |
| 10:01.24 | mewmew0 | cool |
| 10:01.37 | dawud | mewmew0: in short: you can very much screw your box by forcibly uninstalling something |
| 10:01.58 | mewmew0 | as long as it lets me know that its a dependency, I'll be ok |
| 10:02.05 | dawud | mewmew0: so: review your changes very well before applying them |
| 10:02.11 | dawud | mewmew0: ok |
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| 10:02.46 | mewmew0 | Also, I just installed the nvidia driver and noticed that it pulled some gcc 4.6 packages. Will that conflict with the 4.7 packages that Wheezy ships with? |
| 10:03.33 | dawud | mewmew0: no. IIRC you can choose which gcc verion in un use through the alternatives system (let me check) |
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| 10:04.15 | dawud | mewmew0: yes, it can be done 'update-alternatives --config cc' |
| 10:04.27 | themill | the gcc version is not managed through alternatives |
| 10:04.58 | dawud | themill: I just learned. I have 4,6 and 4.7 but There is only one alternative in link group cc: /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 10:05.11 | mewmew0 | is it automatically handled? |
| 10:05.16 | themill | mewmew0: yes |
| 10:05.25 | mewmew0 | awesome. |
| 10:05.39 | mewmew0 | I'm normally a slackware user |
| 10:05.45 | themill | dawud: yep. that alternative is to allow you to select different compilers (gcc, tcc, clang, icc, ...) not to allow you to select different gcc versions |
| 10:05.48 | mewmew0 | trying debian for a while to see how I like automatic linux |
| 10:06.27 | mewmew0 | lets see, what else |
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| 10:06.45 | dawud | themill: I should have known better, I use hardening wrappers around gcc also |
| 10:07.30 | mewmew0 | vlc is in the official repos, I believe. If I add deb-multimedia to my sources.list and install vlc through apt, how does it know whether to pull 'official' vlc or deb-multimedia vlc? |
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| 10:08.33 | themill | mewmew0: depends on what pinning settings you have. I'd not recommend going to deb-multimedia for things like vlc that are already in debian. |
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| 10:10.24 | mewmew0 | Oh also, I installed debian 6.0.2 and upgraded to wheezy with dist-upgrade. I'm really not liking the gnome interface that comes with wheezy, can it be changed to the menu-based style that squeeze had? |
| 10:11.06 | maxy | After upgrading my debian testing, I see gdm3 and dbus-daemon take high amount of CPU. Using 'dbus-monitor --system' I see lots of messages with sender=org.freedesktop.DBus and NameOwnerChanged. Any clue what's going on, or how to find out more? |
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| 10:24.37 | djshotglass | off topic but i am confident most of you will be able to point me in the right direction. i have recently had some large companies take interest in my network skills mainly because we are in a rural area and their it guys fly in and cost them tens of thousdands im willing to work cheaper |
| 10:25.06 | djshotglass | i just don't know what type of hardware to buy, yeah cicso switches and routers load balancers all that |
| 10:25.15 | djshotglass | but what about the servers |
| 10:25.22 | djshotglass | should i run windows server in a vm? |
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| 10:25.40 | djshotglass | what brand of servers should i try first |
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| 10:26.12 | Woet | djshotglass: supermicro |
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| 10:29.35 | djshotglass | im thinking one beast linux server |
| 10:29.40 | djshotglass | everyting else needed in vms |
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| 10:31.37 | djshotglass | lol satellite internet compnaies are insane they start charing MORE per mb/s and gb a month i can get 4 dishes load balanced for $240 a month or one dish on a good package for $1000 a month same speeds and bandwidth |
| 10:32.23 | djshotglass | (240 for them all, 60 each) |
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| 10:33.53 | future | Hi, in debian stable compiz sometimes fails to activate it from the fusion ico, deactivated at random without asking, I would like someone to tell me what packages may be the cause of failure or conflict in compiz: http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
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| 10:35.27 | neomewmew | small problem, just installed the nvidia drivers with apt and rebooted, now when gdm should be loading i just get a blinking cursor in the top left corner. any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 10:35.51 | rootyourself | ctrl / f1 and reinstall |
| 10:36.04 | rootyourself | or remove rather and get gdm back up and running |
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| 10:36.22 | rootyourself | check log files for issues as well |
| 10:36.46 | rootyourself | ctrl / alt / f1 appearently |
| 10:36.49 | Calm | remove PARTS |
| 10:37.40 | neomewmew | booting into recovery mode |
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| 10:39.40 | future | Hello, I am used Debian stable and I have detected that when use an application of wine and close or I diminish the window of the application the bar of gnome disappears although later when insisting it returns to be visible and when active compiz fusion from the ICO-fusion button, copizfusion is deactivated without asking for it of random form: http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
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| 10:40.44 | Calm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.47 | Calm | [#debian] /ignore -servers JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS |
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| 10:41.09 | neomewmew | i cant remember the exact package name for nvidia. is there a list of installed packages somewhere? |
| 10:41.25 | rootyourself | dpkg -l |
| 10:41.25 | dpkg | Files in package rootyourself-pr0n: /srv/rootyourself-pr0n/rootyourself.jpg |
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| 10:42.37 | neomewmew | apt-get remove nvidia* should be safe, correct? |
| 10:42.47 | rootyourself | yup |
| 10:43.07 | themill | (apt uses regexes not globbing btw) |
| 10:43.08 | xand | you should put nvidia* in quotes |
| 10:43.17 | neomewmew | how do i reenable nouveau afterwards |
| 10:43.35 | nsadmin | in case there are files in . that start with nvidia |
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| 10:43.56 | rootyourself | just make sure noveau is reinstalled, the kernel will load modules for all detected (and known) hardware |
| 10:44.29 | rootyourself | if it doesn't you can modprobe modulename ... not sure what the nouveau module names are tho, requires a google |
| 10:45.09 | rootyourself | good points on the dpkg stuff above, i did not know that. thx. |
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| 10:46.30 | future | what version of packages should eliminate to avoid conflicts with the compiz? http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
| 10:46.51 | neomewmew | cool, seems to have worked, ty |
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| 10:47.05 | rootyourself | welcome |
| 10:47.10 | neomewmew | now to go rtfm on installing nvidia in debian |
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| 10:47.46 | nkuttler | future: what? |
| 10:48.21 | future | what version of compiz packages should eliminate to avoid conflicts with the compiz? http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
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| 10:48.55 | nkuttler | future: that image doesn't show anything useful to me. what's your problem? |
| 10:48.57 | blackshirt | Future, exactly what you mean? I don't understand your question |
| 10:49.43 | future | Hello, I am used Debian stable and I have detected that when use an application of wine and close or I diminish the window of the application the bar of gnome disappears although later when insisting it returns to be visible and when active compiz fusion from the ICO-fusion button, copizfusion is deactivated without asking for it of random form: http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
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| 10:52.24 | future | what version of compiz packages should eliminate to avoid conflicts with the compiz? http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
| 10:52.51 | nkuttler | !tell future about repeating |
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| 10:57.17 | future | Hi, what version of compiz packages should eliminate to avoid conflicts with the compiz? http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
| 10:57.30 | rootyourself | future: shut the fuck up |
| 10:57.32 | rootyourself | jesues |
| 10:57.34 | nsadmin | future, are you running stable? |
| 10:57.37 | rootyourself | can someone kick him? |
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| 10:58.35 | themill | rootyourself: please play nicely with the other kiddies... |
| 10:58.51 | rootyourself | everyone has already pinged him about the rules |
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| 10:59.32 | nsadmin | future, so you're not responding and I don't have time to wait |
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| 11:00.00 | future | yeah i ve debian stable |
| 11:00.26 | nsadmin | ok, normally conflicts arise when you try to install packages that are not for stable |
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| 11:01.37 | nsadmin | what package that you're trying to install is in conflict? |
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| 11:04.02 | nsadmin | future, (second try) please give an example of one package which is in conflict with a package already installed |
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| 11:06.47 | future | Hello, I am used Debian stable and I have detected that when use an application of wine and close or I diminish the window of the application the bar of gnome disappears although later when insisting it returns to be visible and when active compiz fusion from the ICO-fusion button, copizfusion is deactivated without asking for it of random form: http://trixarian.net/paste/7 |
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| 11:07.03 | rootyourself | some op pls, lets resolve the future problem |
| 11:07.24 | jpinx | what is the most likely to work .deb for downloading torrents for Squeeze ? |
| 11:07.43 | rootyourself | jpinx: what does your question actually mean? |
| 11:07.49 | rootyourself | are you looking for a torrent client? |
| 11:07.59 | rootyourself | apt-cache search torrent perhaps? |
| 11:08.01 | jpinx | yes - for squeeze - commandline only |
| 11:08.11 | rootyourself | oh great question |
| 11:08.47 | nsadmin | future, that does look like an auto post |
| 11:09.15 | rootyourself | jpinx: you know i have been using gui torrent clients, i now want to switch |
| 11:09.23 | nsadmin | future, I would have expected subsequent questions would be fed by new information |
| 11:09.29 | jpinx | re-arranges his braincells into a more rational matrix |
| 11:09.38 | themill | future: please answer the questions that people have asked you so that they can then help you. That image gives us no information. Please use "apt-get" or "aptitude" and pastebin the output. |
| 11:10.24 | rootyourself | jpinx: huh, i don't see too many command line clients for torrent |
| 11:10.55 | themill | jpinx: «axi-cache search protocol::bittorrent» turns up quite a few |
| 11:11.33 | jpinx | themill: rtorrent any good ? |
| 11:11.41 | themill | I've never used any of them |
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| 11:11.53 | nsadmin | themill, I dunno what to ask him. present guesses include... installing later versions, like from wheezy |
| 11:12.01 | rootyourself | rtorrent and ctorrent look good. neat |
| 11:12.41 | nsadmin | or conflicting packages in stable... but, they are guesses, and the next batch of questions are meant to resolve those guesses |
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| 11:13.06 | nsadmin | I think I tried rtorrent |
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| 11:13.52 | jpinx | !rtorrent |
| 11:13.53 | dpkg | rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based <BitTorrent> client. The format of session files for multi-file torrents changed at rtorrent 0.8.2-1, see /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/NEWS.Debian.gz to upgrade. http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ #rtorrent on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:14.10 | jpinx | !ctorrent |
| 11:14.29 | jpinx | rootyourself: where did you see ctorrent? |
| 11:14.36 | nsadmin | jpinx, give this a try... |
| 11:14.47 | rootyourself | i was googling because i loved your question |
| 11:14.49 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.50 | rootyourself | its in the repos |
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| 11:15.51 | jpinx | Hmm -- how to choose which one,,, ;) |
| 11:16.06 | rootyourself | jpinx: do like a 3 year old with legos and play! |
| 11:16.07 | rootyourself | :) |
| 11:16.09 | Trewas | rtorrent is the only popular commandline bittorrent client, currently azureus reports that about 2% of peers it has seen have been rtorrent... ctorrent as a project OTOH looks completely dead |
| 11:16.17 | jpinx | does and -s install to see sizes |
| 11:16.41 | nsadmin | yeah, I'll go along with that. the play gives you experience faster |
| 11:16.43 | jpinx | Trewas: cool - thanks for the info |
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| 11:21.55 | b4h4 | hi, i can't correct install virtualbox v.4.1 not OSE, in debian amd64 bit kernel, but in i386 i can by doing everything same |
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| 11:22.45 | nkuttler | !tell b4h4 about errors |
| 11:22.49 | themill | b4h4: squeeze? wheezy? |
| 11:23.37 | b4h4 | nkuttler, squeeze i can't tell you error messages wright now |
| 11:23.39 | truemove | b4h4: go to virual box homepage and download the .deb there and install it. |
| 11:23.43 | truemove | it worked for me |
| 11:24.01 | themill | or just use the debian packages... |
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| 11:24.34 | ompaul | themill: it is debian, why would you use something that was meant to be used on debian ;-) |
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| 11:24.44 | truemove | b4h4: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 11:25.05 | nkuttler | b4h4: well we can't help without knowing what the error is |
| 11:25.15 | nkuttler | b4h4: and do not install third party packages.. |
| 11:25.31 | truemove | and install sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 11:25.45 | truemove | After this, run the dpkg -i virtualbox-4.1... again. |
| 11:25.46 | ompaul | sudo ? |
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| 11:25.56 | ompaul | you assume something there? |
| 11:26.20 | nkuttler | is sudo in the default install nowadays? |
| 11:26.24 | themill | no |
| 11:26.27 | nkuttler | i thought so |
| 11:26.29 | b4h4 | truemove, i think problem in it linux-headers |
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| 11:27.07 | jelly-home | b4h4: are you using a 64bit kernel and 32bit installation? vbox does not support that |
| 11:27.32 | b4h4 | but why this problem did not appear in debian i386 |
| 11:27.50 | jelly-home | b4h4: do you have a 64bit installation? |
| 11:28.07 | jelly-home | b4h4: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
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| 11:28.57 | b4h4 | jelly-home, i386 |
| 11:29.01 | nsadmin | b4h4, this is pretty general... but, i386 is the oldest by far of all the arches |
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| 11:29.35 | jelly-home | b4h4: right. As said, Virtualbox does NOT support using a 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace on vbox host. |
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| 11:30.07 | nsadmin | having said that, something had to compile all the packages... and if that's the case, it's possible to compile anything and everything in main |
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| 11:31.10 | jelly-home | vbox used to build but break only at runtime... breaking at build time is probably for the better |
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| 11:34.34 | tvmaniac | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.57 | themill | no |
| 11:35.17 | b4h4 | jelly-home, i have Core 2 Duo, better if i install debian amd64 and then install virtualbox by dpkg -i virt.. |
| 11:35.20 | tvmaniac | :( |
| 11:35.25 | tvmaniac | so? |
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| 11:35.46 | jelly-home | b4h4: vbox does support running a 64bit kernel and a 64bit distro, yes |
| 11:35.53 | nsadmin | b4h4, then you have your choice between i386 and amd64 |
| 11:36.42 | truemove | or add this to you sources.list |
| 11:36.45 | truemove | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free |
| 11:36.47 | jelly-home | b4h4: note that it's possible to run 64bit guests on a 32bit host (at least, it used to be last time I looked at vbox) |
| 11:37.06 | jelly-home | truemove: he's already using the vendor's package |
| 11:37.20 | truemove | ok |
| 11:37.54 | jelly-home | their binaries, at least |
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| 11:41.05 | Mewmew0 | How do I get the bottom taskbar back in gnome after upgrading to wheezy? |
| 11:41.11 | jason____ | with such cheap hdd's, should i just start with raid6 and not consider raid5 and later migrate to raid6? |
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| 11:45.18 | mick_laptop | how can I directly run `screen -r` after ssh'ing into a specific box? |
| 11:45.32 | mick_laptop | instead of typing it in everytime |
| 11:45.39 | ompaul | mick_laptop: that is a bad idea |
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| 11:46.02 | ompaul | mick_laptop: create an alias for screen -r srN or something |
| 11:46.16 | mick_laptop | why is it a bad idea? |
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| 11:47.13 | mick_laptop | I have a box that I mainly use for irssi and whenever I ssh into that box, I run screen |
| 11:47.17 | ompaul | mick_laptop: suppose the shell is faulty / corrupt in some way - you log in you get into the shell but can't do anything else |
| 11:47.39 | mick_laptop | I have a VM manager that can get me into a shell |
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| 11:48.00 | ompaul | stick it in your .login or whatever your shell uses |
| 11:48.53 | mick_laptop | another thing that I was thinking was if it would be possible to do something like: ssh foo@bar 'screen -r' (I know this example doesn't work - but I figure something along those lines) |
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| 11:51.59 | ompaul | mick_laptop: something like ssh root@some-ip date -s \"$(date '+%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S')\" |
| 11:52.12 | themill | mick_laptop: autossh $1 -t "screen -d -R" |
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| 11:53.58 | mick_laptop | themill: thanks |
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| 11:54.08 | vespakoen | hey guys, what is the tool again to see what keys are entered? |
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| 11:56.00 | mewmew0 | How do I get the bottom taskbar back in gnome after upgrading to wheezy? |
| 11:56.01 | vespakoen | or keycombo's |
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| 11:56.40 | mick_laptop | mewmew0: gnome-panel ? |
| 11:56.41 | mewmew0 | and a minimize option on gnome windows would be nice too |
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| 11:56.54 | mewmew0 | cool ty |
| 11:57.13 | mick_laptop | mewmew0: give it a shot, no guarantees :) |
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| 11:57.24 | mick_laptop | let me know if it works though |
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| 11:57.31 | mewmew0 | I don't like the new gnome interface |
| 11:57.37 | mewmew0 | it feels like I'm using Android on my laptop |
| 11:57.49 | mick_laptop | I'm on gnome 2 for exactly that reason |
| 11:58.35 | mick_laptop | I feel like all desktop environments are going in a way that I don't like |
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| 11:59.22 | zukalk | hi. i'm trying to load a module that sensors-detect recommended for me, but i get 'Device or resource busy' from modprobe w83627ehf. what might cause this? i tried putting the module on /etc/modules and rebooting, but it still won't load |
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| 11:59.29 | mick_laptop | and the really cool ones- disappear |
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| 11:59.56 | mick_laptop | not sure if anyone else remembers the "java 3d desktop" or bumptop |
| 12:00.07 | mewmew0 | I've always been a KDE person |
| 12:00.17 | mewmew0 | KDE4 isn't terrible but I wanted a change |
| 12:00.22 | mick_laptop | zukalk: use lsof |
| 12:00.28 | mick_laptop | see what has it open |
| 12:00.44 | mick_laptop | mewmew0: I liked 3.5 |
| 12:01.31 | zukalk | mick_laptop, output is empty, except for 'WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system ~/.gvfs \n Output information may be incomplete.' |
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| 12:03.27 | mick_laptop | ok, so then it is looking for fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon but something isn't going as planned |
| 12:03.49 | mick_laptop | i don't really use fuse - so I won't be of much help :/ |
| 12:04.05 | mick_laptop | mewmew0: did your panel come back? |
| 12:05.14 | mewmew0 | gnome-panel is installed by default it seems. Couldn't find a configuration dialog for it |
| 12:05.34 | mick_laptop | did it work or didn't it |
| 12:05.45 | mick_laptop | I meant just run it from an xterm |
| 12:05.50 | mick_laptop | see if it comes back |
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| 12:06.17 | mewmew0 | it says gnome-panel is already running |
| 12:06.41 | zukalk | mick_laptop, running lsof as myself (the owner of that fuse virtual fs) instead of root simply returns blank (-1 exit code) |
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| 12:07.38 | mick_laptop | well didn't it look like it couldn't find ~/.gvfs ? |
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| 12:08.45 | zukalk | it can't stat it as root. i found some page on the web saying FUSE permissions are applied even root so this should be normal |
| 12:09.12 | jelly-home | zukalk: that stat() failure is normal for FUSE-based mounts; by default they don't allow access as root |
| 12:09.25 | zukalk | jelly-home, thanks |
| 12:09.52 | zukalk | so i guess this means lsof can't find anything that might be locking the module |
| 12:09.58 | zukalk | what now? |
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| 12:12.08 | mick_laptop | zukalk: have you tried turning it off and back on again? :) |
| 12:12.35 | zukalk | mick_laptop, turning what off/on? |
| 12:13.03 | mick_laptop | computer. it was a reference to the show "the IT Crowd" |
| 12:13.08 | zukalk | oh |
| 12:13.12 | zukalk | heh. i have |
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| 12:14.15 | mick_laptop | have you tried w/ modprobe -v -n --dry-run --show |
| 12:14.32 | mick_laptop | might give more info? dono |
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| 12:18.10 | zukalk | mick_laptop, just says insmod <path to my module> |
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| 12:20.11 | zukalk | however, i found this in dmesg after attempting to modprobe: http://pastebin.com/YhRzW3w2 |
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| 12:21.36 | mewmew0 | I'm having trouble getting vpn access to work in networkmanager |
| 12:22.02 | mewmew0 | the vpn window in Network Connections currently has all options grayed out |
| 12:22.05 | nsadmin | mewmew0, desktop machine? |
| 12:22.08 | mewmew0 | yep |
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| 12:22.14 | mewmew0 | well, laptop |
| 12:22.25 | axujen | do you have the right permissions for it? |
| 12:22.29 | nsadmin | vpn connection wants to be always up? |
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| 12:22.45 | mewmew0 | activated and deactivated as needed by me |
| 12:22.48 | axujen | are you using gnome or another wm/de? |
| 12:22.51 | mewmew0 | gnome |
| 12:22.55 | mewmew0 | on wheezy |
| 12:23.18 | nsadmin | mewmew0, do you also have a wireless card in the laptop? |
| 12:23.33 | mewmew0 | yes, that's how I connect. |
| 12:23.51 | mewmew0 | I'm just trying to access a vpn, not host a vpn server, so we're clear |
| 12:24.19 | nsadmin | definitely appreciate the clarity |
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| 12:28.08 | mewmew0 | only relevant group I see that I'm not already part of is proxy |
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| 12:28.13 | mewmew0 | and I don't think that's involved |
| 12:28.30 | nsadmin | so, correct me if I'm wrong, when you connect to the vpn, that connection goes over the library |
| 12:28.37 | nsadmin | shoot, |
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| 12:28.46 | nsadmin | over the wireless |
| 12:29.02 | mewmew0 | it will once I can set up the vpn |
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| 12:29.10 | mewmew0 | but as it is, the option isn't even available to me |
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| 12:29.43 | nsadmin | so the vpn you would try to connect to doesn't exist yet? |
| 12:30.00 | mewmew0 | Right. I can't enter the settings |
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| 12:31.03 | mewmew0 | actually I may have solved the problem |
| 12:31.32 | mewmew0 | I installed the pptp, etc packages, didn't realise there was networkmanager-specific plugins for those as well |
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| 12:32.29 | MrTorque | Hi. I am unable to configure my DNS correctly. can someone help me? (i want to use googlemail on my domain) |
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| 12:33.14 | mewmew0 | Okay that was my problem |
| 12:33.18 | mewmew0 | still learning debian. |
| 12:37.01 | nkuttler | MrTorque: configure dns? |
| 12:38.25 | g3orge | what would you guys recommend to someone just starting with sys-admin/linux, about scripting languages. Perl or Python. I know Python is the future but Perl is very much still in use... |
| 12:38.55 | g3orge | well, except bash of course. That's necessary |
| 12:38.59 | nkuttler | g3orge: depends on what you want to script |
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| 12:39.23 | axujen | from what i have seen python seems to be alot more popular than perl |
| 12:39.43 | g3orge | nkuttler: well, not CGI/web stuff... |
| 12:40.40 | g3orge | axujen: yeah, but TIL that apt-file is a single Perl script. I'd like to understand it, but I can't... |
| 12:41.34 | nkuttler | well perl isn't always easy to read. python is better for that |
| 12:42.38 | g3orge | nkuttler: that's what I'm saying, but it's very much in use |
| 12:43.42 | nkuttler | the whole perl6 fiasco didn't really help. i've got plenty of perl scripts i wrote on my boxes but i don't think i'll add any new ones |
| 12:45.22 | jelly-home | g3orge: python for writing your own, new apps |
| 12:46.35 | nkuttler | g3orge: do you know any other languages? |
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| 12:50.31 | g3orge | nkuttler: I'm programming for 3 years now. I know good C. Java, C++ and a little bit of Python |
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| 12:53.06 | debint | hello. I have a question about Debian Squeeze. When it is starting it says reading "early boot files" and in that line is too slow |
| 12:53.17 | debint | But I have optimiced debian |
| 12:53.21 | debint | what can I do? |
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| 12:54.37 | debint | nobody knows? |
| 12:55.50 | mcloy | $ ssh -i key.pem root@ec2-107-22-63-2.compute-1.amazonaws.com |
| 12:55.51 | mcloy | Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 13:03.06 | mewmew0 | do any of you use PlayOnLinux? |
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| 13:08.49 | thewanderer1 | okay, so I have a file with funny characters in its name and it displays as UTF-8 invalid character... |
| 13:09.09 | thewanderer1 | you can probably guess I want to remove it |
| 13:09.46 | whoknows | why don't you remove it then? |
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| 13:11.00 | thewanderer1 | `rm files/short/Zdj�cie0132.jpg` doesn't find the file - which is quite logical, since this is not the real name |
| 13:11.17 | thewanderer1 | I just don't have an idea how to type character \352 in the console... |
| 13:11.18 | whoknows | can you autocomplete on the file? |
| 13:11.21 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 13:11.32 | whoknows | can you move everything out of that directory |
| 13:11.35 | whoknows | then do rm -R |
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| 13:11.38 | whoknows | on the directory? |
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| 13:12.08 | thewanderer1 | heh, that worked, although not exactly what I wanted |
| 13:12.14 | whoknows | lol |
| 13:12.33 | whoknows | it could have been in a sensitive place where you were unable to move everything else |
| 13:12.42 | thewanderer1 | I just don't know what I'll do when a user uploads a file with a funky name and I need to get rid of it... |
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| 13:13.02 | whoknows | hmm |
| 13:13.05 | thewanderer1 | granted, I do have an automatic timed removal script with find and direct argv[] passing, but that's a last resort :P |
| 13:13.17 | whoknows | maybe sanitize names during the upload process |
| 13:13.58 | thewanderer1 | sounds tricky but viable |
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| 13:14.23 | whoknows | i bet you could have copy pasta with the mouse the file name |
| 13:15.13 | whoknows | or used a wildcard |
| 13:15.18 | whoknows | like Zdj* |
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| 13:19.03 | thewanderer1 | whoknows: yeah, the thing is, there were lots of Zdj* and pasting an invalid UTF-8 string would produce the transliteration... |
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| 13:19.25 | thewanderer1 | I think I've found a way to sanitize the input names in PHP, though |
| 13:20.20 | whoknows | if bla bla is not a-z1-0 then yell |
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| 13:22.22 | thewanderer1 | nah, I also accept "Zażółć gęślą jaźń.jpg" :P |
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| 13:23.42 | aguitel | i acept dolars |
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| 13:24.21 | thewanderer1 | that too :) |
| 13:24.23 | alex- | How can I apply firewall rules? |
| 13:24.37 | thewanderer1 | alex-: man iptables |
| 13:24.43 | alex- | erm |
| 13:24.46 | alex- | can't without access :D |
| 13:24.56 | thewanderer1 | well, what are you trying to do? |
| 13:25.04 | alex- | de-applying firewall rules |
| 13:25.05 | JoeHazzers | you can't use man without root? o.o |
| 13:25.16 | alex- | I enabled firewall |
| 13:25.18 | alex- | but wrong i think |
| 13:25.22 | thewanderer1 | alex-: I guess reboot the machine... |
| 13:25.22 | alex- | can't access it anymore |
| 13:25.24 | alex- | and then? |
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| 13:25.33 | JoeHazzers | oh it won't save |
| 13:25.49 | JoeHazzers | iptables rules get cleared on reboot unless you explicitly save them, then reload them after boot |
| 13:25.57 | JoeHazzers | like iptables-persist(?) |
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| 13:26.00 | alex- | they reload after reboot |
| 13:26.10 | thewanderer1 | alex-: then you've just screwed yourself |
| 13:26.20 | JoeHazzers | then you need to get KVM access to that machine |
| 13:26.37 | alex- | I have console access |
| 13:26.47 | JoeHazzers | then just remove the offending rule |
| 13:26.48 | alex- | but isn't working |
| 13:26.54 | alex- | I also can access the filesystem |
| 13:27.01 | thewanderer1 | alex-: then log on, and the iptables manual page will tell you that "flush" means to remove all rules |
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| 13:27.26 | alex- | i can't login |
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| 13:27.29 | thewanderer1 | "console access isn't working" how? |
| 13:27.45 | JoeHazzers | (this is why it's always a good idea to always have to explicitly save your firewall rules) |
| 13:28.00 | alex- | thewanderer1: it says an error |
| 13:28.15 | JoeHazzers | what error? |
| 13:28.34 | thewanderer1 | alex-: that kind of vague error message isn't going to help, you need to provide full error messages and output so that we can know what's going on |
| 13:28.43 | alex- | http://1.nl.eu.org/i/Gmg.png |
| 13:29.01 | thewanderer1 | is that an SSH client? |
| 13:29.11 | JoeHazzers | you need to choose password |
| 13:29.29 | JoeHazzers | and the password for the console access is MOST LIKELY not your password |
| 13:29.30 | alex- | thewanderer1: it's console access |
| 13:29.34 | JoeHazzers | it's most likely set by your host |
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| 13:29.36 | alex- | it's the password for the panel |
| 13:29.46 | JoeHazzers | what about username? |
| 13:29.52 | alex- | control panel username |
| 13:30.06 | JoeHazzers | well it's obviously wrong, or you're connecting to the wrong host |
| 13:30.09 | thewanderer1 | okay well, you need to regain access to the panel, and this is most certainly not managed by Debian |
| 13:30.37 | thewanderer1 | once you can log on as root, we'll work from there |
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| 13:34.22 | riot | dunno, if radvd-v6 related is right here, but: starting radvd, the machine tells me, i'd have to enable ipv6-forwarding, which _is_ enabled :/ |
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| 13:36.56 | mewmew0 | after doing apt-get update, how do you automatically update your installed packages if they need it? |
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| 13:38.06 | mynameisdeleted | so.. wikipedia says ext4 has a max file size of 16TB |
| 13:38.20 | mynameisdeleted | my root is at 12TB now and I'm likely to grow to 15TB |
| 13:38.30 | mynameisdeleted | if I span accross 2 boxes like that I'll have 30TB |
| 13:38.41 | mynameisdeleted | what happens if I try to create a 17TB file to put on that array? |
| 13:38.54 | mewmew0 | it would probably stop adding to the file once it hit the cap |
| 13:39.05 | mewmew0 | that's what happens on fat32 after 4 gb, anyway |
| 13:39.19 | mynameisdeleted | what happens if I save more than 4 bilion files? |
| 13:39.27 | PrickelPit | so go to something like fbsd and zfs or take xfs |
| 13:39.41 | mewmew0 | then it would tell you that the filesystem can't support any more files |
| 13:39.42 | mynameisdeleted | should I save source builds on loop devices maybe to reduce total file count? |
| 13:40.01 | mynameisdeleted | does zfs have a file size limit ? also does xfs? |
| 13:40.17 | mynameisdeleted | I know lustre works well over a network and has no size limits |
| 13:40.21 | PrickelPit | zetabyte filesystem ;) |
| 13:40.41 | JoeHazzers | cringes at the thought of FUSE |
| 13:41.01 | PrickelPit | you want it on fbsd if so |
| 13:41.14 | JoeHazzers | i ended up choosing btrfs |
| 13:41.14 | mynameisdeleted | lustre is native to linux |
| 13:41.21 | mynameisdeleted | most of the top100 supercomputers use it |
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| 13:42.31 | JoeHazzers | using a clustered filesystem on a single machine seems a little pointless imo |
| 13:42.37 | mynameisdeleted | ext4 has a max volume size of 16Eib just like btrfs |
| 13:42.45 | mynameisdeleted | I use 3 boxes in a cluster |
| 13:42.51 | mynameisdeleted | maybe I'll grow that |
| 13:42.58 | mynameisdeleted | right now I have nfs root from 1 box which runs raid |
| 13:43.34 | mynameisdeleted | when 3TB drives go to below 100 a pice I might buy an extra 12 to have 18 drives total at 3TB |
| 13:43.49 | mynameisdeleted | gluster over raid5 might be an option |
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| 13:44.21 | mynameisdeleted | the boot volume would be raid1 over network |
| 13:44.34 | mynameisdeleted | the data volume raid0 over network |
| 13:44.50 | mynameisdeleted | the main os has to boot if only one machine is up |
| 13:45.12 | alex- | How do I disable firewall? |
| 13:45.31 | alex- | mynameisdeleted: what are you storing? |
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| 13:45.56 | petemc | alex-: did you set up a firewall? |
| 13:46.07 | mynameisdeleted | lots of virtualmachine images and video |
| 13:46.25 | mynameisdeleted | and hard drive backups |
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| 13:46.36 | alex- | petemc: yes |
| 13:46.39 | alex- | mynameisdeleted: ah |
| 13:46.51 | petemc | alex-: how did you set it up? |
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| 13:47.13 | mynameisdeleted | as long as each host has redundancy I dont care too much if the drive images have host level redundancy |
| 13:47.22 | mynameisdeleted | as I can always move 1 hosts drives to another host if the host fails |
| 13:47.23 | alex- | petemc: https://paste.nl.eu.org/22FdeE0x |
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| 13:49.33 | petemc | alex-: iptables -F , iptables -X , then use same commands with any tables you used like iptables -t mangle -F , etc |
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| 13:49.37 | mynameisdeleted | raid0 over raid6 for 3*6 drives is 36 TB root which handles any 2 drive failures |
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| 13:49.52 | mynameisdeleted | probably a reasonably safe option for storage while allowing a large root |
| 13:50.06 | mynameisdeleted | I dont want to go over 30% of my disks beign for parity/redundancy |
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| 13:50.32 | mynameisdeleted | also.. nested raid5 probably has a lot of overhead |
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| 13:53.29 | alex- | do i need to setup destenation or source port when configuring firewall outbound? |
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| 13:55.39 | zophy | hi |
| 13:55.57 | zophy | merry christmas |
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| 13:56.33 | fasta | How do I add a postinstall script of my own when package foobar is installed/upgrade? |
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| 13:57.12 | zophy | ya know... Neil Young is like a singing star to me |
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| 13:57.45 | zophy | i think we should issue an official special Neil Young distro |
| 13:58.20 | xispirito | 0.0 |
| 13:58.24 | fasta | Someone asked for that 10 years ago already. |
| 13:58.29 | zophy | just a special named stable version |
| 13:58.39 | fasta | And at that point they said it 'had been discussed in the past'... |
| 13:59.14 | zophy | and one releases for jimi hendrix |
| 13:59.34 | zophy | we can have an art contest for the grub splash screen |
| 13:59.59 | zophy | mine people need an project |
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| 14:00.30 | zophy | as the king would say "Mine people need an enemy." |
| 14:01.13 | zophy | is there something more important that debian needs ? |
| 14:02.46 | anigma_ | what kind of image would I have to download to get debian with xfce? I noticed there are like 52 CD's available. |
| 14:03.30 | nkuttler | anigma_: will you have an internet connection after installing? |
| 14:03.42 | jelly-home | anigma_: the one that says CD1 or DVD1 and xfce |
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| 14:04.05 | anigma_ | nkuttler: depends on if my wireless card works... |
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| 14:04.14 | themill | zophy: please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future |
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| 14:04.59 | anigma_ | jelly-home: oh, I see there's a xfce+lxde CD. Is that xfce combined with lxde, or can you choose one of them? |
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| 14:06.04 | jelly-home | I have not tried it, anigma_ |
| 14:06.37 | jelly-home | !install xfce |
| 14:06.38 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
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| 14:07.23 | jelly-home | anigma_: WPA wireless won't work with default squeeze installer |
| 14:07.25 | fasta | How do you serialize site-local configuration changes between upgrades? |
| 14:08.07 | fasta | Take for example Firefox. If a user starts it for the first time it tells what's new. I don't even want to annoy people with such messages. |
| 14:08.27 | fasta | There are lots of application developers that think users care about those things. |
| 14:08.50 | fasta | (I am not starting a discussion as to whether you agree with those assertions.) |
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| 14:11.06 | fasta | jelly-home: do you have some kind of disability (or are you just IRC'ing on your phone considering that you are just about always here)? |
| 14:12.22 | mihi | is there a n option (or another tool) to produce output similar to `aptitude search ~i -F "%I# %V# %p#"` but use always bytes in the first column (install-size)? |
| 14:12.32 | nvz | fasta: most of us regulars keep a screen/tmux + irssi running somewhere with ssh access and idle a lot, and tend to look in periodically from wherever |
| 14:13.18 | nvz | mihi: what is it you want exactly? |
| 14:13.51 | mihi | I'd like to have a list that I can copy to a spreadsheet tool and do calculations with the size. "12.3 MB" is not very friendly for spreadsheets :D |
| 14:14.36 | nvz | mihi: well... hang on ;-P |
| 14:15.05 | mihi | I know I can use some ugly Perl substitutions to convert it back, but maybe there is an easier way :D |
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| 14:17.56 | mihi | (I know I can --sort by ~installSize) |
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| 14:18.48 | themill | mihi: have a look at the example in grep-dctrl(1) |
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| 14:25.43 | mihi | themill: thanks :D |
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| 14:27.26 | Knaldgas | Anyone know of any attempt to write up the Debian/Linux architecture? A comprehensive graphical architecture showing the structure and dynamics of key features like booting, hibernation, power management, interprocess communication, etc.? |
| 14:27.54 | axujen | Knaldgas: debian wiki? |
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| 14:28.48 | blackshirt | was ext4 support online resizing ? |
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| 14:30.58 | jelly-home | blackshirt: online growing yes, online shrinking no (not yet, I think) |
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| 14:31.35 | Knaldgas | axujen: So how do I find a graphical overview of the main activities during the boot process on the debian wiki? |
| 14:32.21 | axujen | Knaldgas: im not sure what you mean by graphical overviewm you mean like an infographic? |
| 14:32.51 | Lymia | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.51 | blackshirt | thanks jelly-home |
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| 14:33.05 | Knaldgas | axujen: Yeah, like an UML model of the process |
| 14:33.13 | blackshirt | jelly-home, what filesystem on linux support online resizing ? |
| 14:33.26 | themill | Lymia: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 14:33.51 | jelly-home | blackshirt: of the mainstream ones, ext3, ext4, xfs all support growing |
| 14:34.00 | a7x | someone runs cuda? |
| 14:34.15 | jelly-home | blackshirt: I have no idea about the others |
| 14:34.22 | blackshirt | jelly-home, thanks, i mean shrinking |
| 14:34.36 | jelly-home | blackshirt: why do you need online shrinking? |
| 14:34.55 | Knaldgas | I often find myself searching for information, and I find a *lot*, but to understand the grand scheme of things, I need to read a lot of (for the time being: unnecessary) information to get the overview. |
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| 14:35.10 | jelly-home | blackshirt: I don't know any fs type that supports it. |
| 14:35.22 | blackshirt | jelly-home: we need online resizing (shrinking) on running system |
| 14:35.36 | blackshirt | jelly-home: what about zfs |
| 14:35.38 | engla | blackshirt: btrfs supports it |
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| 14:36.03 | jelly-home | blackshirt: I don't have experience with zfs or btrfs. |
| 14:36.05 | b4h4 | why dpkg --print-architecture shows 'i386' if i've installed debian amd64 kernel |
| 14:36.11 | axujen | i couldn't find an infographic about a debian or even linux boot process but if you want to read about it then http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcess |
| 14:36.16 | blackshirt | engla: thanks, but my file system was ext4.. is there tool to convert ext4 to btrfs ? |
| 14:36.18 | jelly-home | b4h4: because you only installed a kernel. |
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| 14:36.38 | jelly-home | b4h4: the userspace has not changed. |
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| 14:37.23 | jelly-home | blackshirt: even if there was, it would not be online. How often do you plan to shrink your filesystems? |
| 14:37.31 | engla | blackshirt: yes, btrfs such a tool. but btrfs is not really ready for serious use yet.. |
| 14:37.38 | engla | *btrfs provides such a tool |
| 14:37.46 | Knaldgas | axujen: Yes, I looked at it, but I get a lot of detailed stuff (like how grub or lilo) works, and the overview kind of drowns in detailed information. I was wondering if it was worth to try to describe it graphically... |
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| 14:37.56 | b4h4 | surely, i have to install debian from debian amd386 cd not debian i386, right? |
| 14:38.11 | dawud | Knaldgas: you want bootchart? |
| 14:38.15 | jelly-home | b4h4: yes, you need to install amd64 |
| 14:38.21 | blackshirt | jelly-home: not often, maybe just for this time |
| 14:38.40 | jelly-home | blackshirt: so schedule downtime and do it offline. |
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| 14:38.54 | blackshirt | engla: look promizing .. |
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| 14:39.09 | blackshirt | jelly-home: thanks, i would argue to my boz :D |
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| 14:39.50 | Knaldgas | dawud: Bootchart is more for analysis of the boot process, I'm interested in a place where I can see the "masterplan" so to speak. I have a feeling that people are writing up a lot of information for each package, but very little of how things interact. |
| 14:39.56 | jelly-home | there's no supported, reliable online shrinking method that I know it |
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| 14:40.39 | axujen | Knaldgas: its really just one process starting another process untill you read you login manager |
| 14:40.39 | dawud | Knaldgas: with (some) risk of being soft-flamed, I'd take a look at systemd |
| 14:40.43 | b4h4 | jelly-home, but why when i install debian in expert mode from debian i386 dvd installer offer me amd64 kernel to? |
| 14:42.18 | jelly-home | b4h4: because your hardware supports it, and because it works around some limitations of 32bit kernels without performance loss |
| 14:42.18 | Knaldgas | axujen: I understand, and the entire thing might be so flexible that it is impossible/hard to get right, and maybe even harder to maintain. |
| 14:42.42 | jelly-home | b4h4: eg. having more than 3-4 GB RAM |
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| 14:44.44 | blackshirt | was there kernel with grsecurity patch on debian repos ? |
| 14:44.53 | koko_ | hello |
| 14:44.58 | b4h4 | jelly-home, thanks, as allways |
| 14:45.05 | Knaldgas | dawud: Again, a lot of information on systemd, but it seems to me that I have to read a lot of detailed info in order to get the overview. |
| 14:45.15 | jelly-home | blackshirt: no, there was not |
| 14:45.39 | dawud | Knaldgas: maybe. it is not an "easy" topic |
| 14:45.59 | blackshirt | jelly-home, why debian not included grsecurity patch for release ? |
| 14:46.06 | koko_ | i am on 2 pc , debian and xp how can i execute some dos command if i use smbmount for mount my c:\ |
| 14:46.20 | jelly-home | blackshirt: because noone wants to do that work |
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| 14:46.49 | Knaldgas | Please don't see it as critique, but a probe as to whether I'm the only one to want an easier way to get the overview. I'm considering if I could do something about it... |
| 14:46.51 | axujen | Knaldgas: overview: bios (your PC firmware) > bootloader (ie: grub) > ram disk > init scripts (shell, daemons, login manager...) |
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| 14:47.42 | blackshirt | jelly-home, that was community impact ? |
| 14:48.07 | jelly-home | blackshirt: Debian is a volunteer project. |
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| 14:49.23 | jelly-home | people work on things they want to, if there's noone to care about a specific kernel patch and tracking both upstream grsec, upstream kernel and debian kernel to make sure things work, it will languish |
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| 14:50.05 | Knaldgas | axujen: Yes, maybe the boot sequence would be a nice one to try to describe in a graphical way... |
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| 14:51.07 | axujen | Knaldgas: http://www.slackerbox.com/files/images/bootproc.gif |
| 14:51.52 | jelly-home | blackshirt: also, since grsecurity features like PAX break working software, that would need to be accounted as well, and ideally some methodology to apply chpax fixes used |
| 14:52.08 | axujen | Knaldgas: a more detailed one for ubuntu http://lh3.ggpht.com/kmbrandt/RpVjwTVQGkI/AAAAAAAAACc/rPHHqbWdDyk/s800/Ubuntu+Feisty+Fawn+Boot+Process+%282%29.jpeg |
| 14:52.13 | Knaldgas | axujen: Yes, that one is nice and simple, and would definitely be a nice first figure to describe the boot process :) |
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| 14:54.31 | mewmew0 | Are there any non-KDE blogging clients that are as good as Blogilo? |
| 14:54.53 | mewmew0 | I need something but Blogilo has way more dependencies than I care to install |
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| 14:55.36 | Knaldgas | axujen and dawud: I guess I'm just dreaming of a place where I can get the grand perspective of the system, find what part of this quite complex system I should concentrate on, and then link to these sites where the detailed documentation already exist |
| 14:56.20 | mewmew0 | you mean a place like debian.org? |
| 14:57.02 | axujen | Knaldgas: 3.bp.blogspot.com/_yGiwyEUrrKw/TS8A-lBl7sI/AAAAAAAAAoI/jXk4GxElOWc/s1600/LXF100.tut_bootfail.diagram.png lh3.ggpht.com/kmbrandt/RpVjwTVQGkI/AAAAAAAAACc/rPHHqbWdDyk/s800/Ubuntu+Feisty+Fawn+Boot+Process+%282%29.jpeg if thats not enough then you should READ up on it |
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| 14:58.20 | dawud | mewmew0: I heard good stuff about blosxom |
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| 14:59.47 | reavengrey | hey, what's the difference between getty and xterm? |
| 15:00.03 | Knaldgas | axujen: Yes, stuff like that would definitely help. But how to find it ;-) - And yes, if you know the magic words, Google would lead you right to it :) |
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| 15:00.11 | mewmew0 | dawud, thanks, I'll try it |
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| 15:00.30 | abrotman | reavengrey: they have man pages, have you read them ? |
| 15:00.47 | reavengrey | nope |
| 15:00.50 | Knaldgas | Again, the boot process was just an example. How about udev, hal and dbus (for instance) :) |
| 15:00.53 | reavengrey | I'm reading X documentation |
| 15:00.56 | reavengrey | \o/ |
| 15:00.56 | abrotman | reavengrey: that might be a good start, eh ? |
| 15:01.01 | reavengrey | abrotman: Nope |
| 15:01.04 | reavengrey | I'm reading X docs |
| 15:01.10 | reavengrey | I'll get tot eh man pages for those soon |
| 15:01.10 | abrotman | good luck |
| 15:01.17 | reavengrey | but a shortcut |
| 15:01.24 | reavengrey | is asking quickly in here |
| 15:01.24 | reavengrey | \o/ |
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| 15:03.58 | reavengrey | Kk, as I understand it so far: Kernel boots, then executes init; Init reads /etc/inittab, parses the entries for the runlevels, and switches to the "default runlevel" which on debian is 2; |
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| 15:04.24 | mewmew0 | odd, I installed it but it isn't appearing in my menus |
| 15:04.26 | reavengrey | Then one of the commands for runlevel2 is to run getty for the TTYs 1-7 |
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| 15:05.13 | reavengrey | One of the commands in /etc/rc2.d/ is the one to start X |
| 15:05.25 | reavengrey | Then X runs the default client, which is Xterm |
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| 15:06.12 | reavengrey | Hi, is that correct? |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | mewmew0: installed what? bloxsom ? |
| 15:06.54 | mewmew0 | yeah |
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| 15:07.14 | blackshirt | reavengrey: i think |
| 15:07.22 | DasEi | reavengrey: so far so right, but upstart was created some time ago, do many things can start as services in parallel |
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| 15:07.38 | reavengrey | Kk right, thanks :O |
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| 15:08.04 | abrotman | mewmew0: did you read the description? I thought you still needed a frontend to bloxsom |
| 15:08.14 | DasEi | reavengrey: inittab is still there and used, but upstart is more advanced, so more and more stuff went there |
| 15:08.20 | mynameisdeleted | does df show P if I get 250 4TB drives? |
| 15:08.23 | mynameisdeleted | and put in an array |
| 15:08.25 | mewmew0 | oh, that might be the case. I didn't read about, was just going to play with it |
| 15:08.29 | abrotman | what does upstart have to do with it? |
| 15:08.46 | reavengrey | abrotman: help me lol |
| 15:08.52 | reavengrey | I'm looking for the information :| |
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| 15:08.55 | reavengrey | If u know |
| 15:08.58 | reavengrey | y u no speak |
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| 15:09.04 | abrotman | reavengrey: please speak english |
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| 15:09.16 | reavengrey | If thou hast the knowledge I seek |
| 15:09.22 | ompaul | Knaldgas: the likes of apt-cache search boot | grep log can help http://paste.debian.net/171395/ people can start with their own machine etc |
| 15:09.34 | reavengrey | Pray tell my good man, why you turn down a humble request? |
| 15:09.41 | abrotman | reavengrey: i asked if you read the man page, that'd be a great start .. at least the first few paragraphs of each |
| 15:09.43 | ompaul | that is only three or so lines out of a lot |
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| 15:09.55 | ompaul | !u |
| 15:09.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:10.06 | abrotman | tells ompaul about tell ... |
| 15:10.10 | Knaldgas | ompaul: Yes |
| 15:10.14 | Knaldgas | Thanks |
| 15:10.17 | reavengrey | abrotman: Kk, I'll do that, but don't assume I don't RTFM: I've been reading every man page up to now, and I've personally read the init scripts, and all that myself |
| 15:10.25 | DasEi | mynameisdeleted: array I don't understand, raid as a stripe ? |
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| 15:11.13 | mynameisdeleted | i7:593 ~/Downloads> df -H / |
| 15:11.14 | mynameisdeleted | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:11.14 | mynameisdeleted | /dev/md0p1 12T 2.2T 9.3T 19% / |
| 15:11.21 | abrotman | reavengrey: yeah, but those man pages should make it obvious |
| 15:11.25 | mynameisdeleted | that shows 12T for the root partition which means 12TB |
| 15:11.32 | mynameisdeleted | 12PB woudl be petabytes |
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| 15:12.37 | DasEi | mynameisdeleted: yes, and md hints to a raid |
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| 15:12.57 | mynameisdeleted | it is |
| 15:13.05 | mynameisdeleted | they dont make 12TB individual drives |
| 15:13.12 | mynameisdeleted | if I go beyond 12-15TB |
| 15:13.25 | mynameisdeleted | I'll proably make it a nework distributed filesystem like gluster of somethign |
| 15:13.58 | DasEi | mynameisdeleted: your initial question then ? soory that I don't understand it |
| 15:14.13 | mynameisdeleted | if I get a petabyte filesystem.. will df -H show PB? |
| 15:14.22 | DasEi | mynameisdeleted: yes |
| 15:14.30 | mynameisdeleted | so it doesnt cut off at T or somethign |
| 15:14.33 | mynameisdeleted | waht about Eib? |
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| 15:14.37 | mynameisdeleted | will it show taht? |
| 15:14.44 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: do you know a filesystem that supports that size? |
| 15:14.54 | mynameisdeleted | ext4 goes up to 16Eib in a volume |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | then i'm sure it does |
| 15:15.06 | DasEi | mynameisdeleted: I simply say so, never had a Pbyte os btw |
| 15:15.24 | abrotman | SIZE may be (or may be an integer optionally followed by) one of following: KB 1000, K 1024, MB 1000*1000, M 1024*1024, and so on for G, T, P, E, Z, Y. |
| 15:15.33 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: see, man pages are good |
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| 15:15.44 | mynameisdeleted | actually pacific national labratory has a top500 supercomputer |
| 15:15.46 | mynameisdeleted | probably top100 |
| 15:15.49 | mynameisdeleted | with 3000 cores |
| 15:15.53 | mynameisdeleted | I bet that has PByte fs |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | not related ... |
| 15:16.05 | mynameisdeleted | we can run df on that and see if it shows correct |
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| 15:16.28 | mynameisdeleted | I dont like tha tI can df -g on debian |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | looks at the man page above he pasted that mynameisdeleted is ignoring |
| 15:16.43 | mynameisdeleted | only -m, -k |
| 15:17.22 | mynameisdeleted | osx has a -g option for df |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:18.05 | mynameisdeleted | df -B T or df -B G works though |
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| 15:19.06 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: are you actually reading, or just spouting crap into the channel? |
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| 15:21.26 | mynameisdeleted | so your right... it does support above MB blocks, but it doesnt have a shortcut for it that is nice like -g or -t ..-H or -h is the best option |
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| 15:21.50 | abrotman | you're |
| 15:22.00 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: did you try the "Human Readable" option ? |
| 15:22.09 | mynameisdeleted | that is -h or -?H |
| 15:22.10 | mynameisdeleted | -H |
| 15:22.17 | abrotman | LOOK AND TRY IT |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | stop being so lazy |
| 15:22.20 | mynameisdeleted | I did |
| 15:22.27 | mynameisdeleted | that was my first paste |
| 15:22.28 | mynameisdeleted | did you read that? |
| 15:22.44 | abrotman | the one that showed TB ? |
| 15:22.51 | mynameisdeleted | if you read the man page -H means human readable as does -h, but -H shows in powers of 1000 instead of 1024 |
| 15:22.53 | mynameisdeleted | yup |
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| 15:23.15 | abrotman | let me know when you have a Eb array to test |
| 15:23.20 | mynameisdeleted | absolutely |
| 15:23.56 | jelly-home | step 1) make an EB-sized sparse file |
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| 15:26.44 | saati | hi, is there an option for aptitude to not cache pkgs? |
| 15:26.49 | mynameisdeleted | I love loop fs |
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| 15:27.20 | abrotman | saati: you can set your cache size pretty low |
| 15:27.42 | saati | abrotman: where's that setting? |
| 15:27.44 | mynameisdeleted | http://i.top500.org/system/176078 |
| 15:27.50 | mynameisdeleted | that computer might be running debian as well |
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| 15:29.04 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: do you have something Debian related to talk about? |
| 15:29.44 | mynameisdeleted | I was just saying that debian might be the actual operating system on a few top500.org listed supercomputers |
| 15:29.57 | mynameisdeleted | with redhat being the other choice |
| 15:30.00 | abrotman | who cares? |
| 15:30.04 | abrotman | they're not here for support |
| 15:30.39 | abrotman | saati: in apt.conf IIRC |
| 15:31.19 | saati | abrotman: thank you |
| 15:31.31 | abrotman | saati: see the sample in /usr/share/doc/apt/ I believe |
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| 15:31.52 | mynameisdeleted | has anyone used openssi in debian before? |
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| 15:32.25 | themill | dpkg: tell mynameisdeleted about anyone |
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| 15:35.12 | jelly-home | it's not hard to create a virtual PB device and try things anyway |
| 15:36.09 | mynameisdeleted | is the virtual PB device limited on ext4 by its 16TB per file size limit? |
| 15:36.59 | jelly-home | mynameisdeleted: make a zillion (or, say, 128) 16TB files, turn them into /dev/loop*, use as LVM PVs |
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| 15:37.13 | jelly-home | or find some other way to concatenate |
| 15:37.26 | jelly-home | presto, LV Size 2.00 PiB |
| 15:37.35 | ompaul | mynameisdeleted: well now you said [16:14:54] <mynameisdeleted> ext4 goes up to 16Eib in a volume guess you answered your own question |
| 15:37.53 | mynameisdeleted | in a volume, not in one file |
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| 15:38.11 | mynameisdeleted | 16Eib per volume, and up to 16TB per file |
| 15:38.39 | jelly-home | mynameisdeleted: and the files have to be a bit smaller than 16TiB, so something like dd if=/dev/zero of=$i bs=1G seek=16383 count=0 |
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| 15:41.22 | jelly-home | figuring out the corrent mkfs.ext4 incantantion for it to actually do something on a device that large might be nontrivial |
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| 15:45.25 | mynameisdeleted | I'd be worried tha tmkfs would unsparse it |
| 15:45.37 | mynameisdeleted | that mkfs might unsparce all the files in the virtual PB device |
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| 15:46.20 | mynameisdeleted | in reality most PB file systems are on a cluster of some type |
| 15:46.21 | themill | that worry would highlight why this exercise is a bit of a waste of time... |
| 15:46.47 | mynameisdeleted | no one wants to loose a PB of data at whatever cost due to a single pc failure |
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| 15:47.23 | abrotman | themill: this topic, or the discussion in general? :) |
| 15:47.24 | mynameisdeleted | 250 drives for 200 each(4TB costs 200 right now as far as I can tell) |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: did you find an Eb filesystem yet? |
| 15:47.42 | mynameisdeleted | so 50k |
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| 15:48.10 | themill | tries to work out if mynameisdeleted was really looking for #defocus |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 15:48.36 | mynameisdeleted | is the defocus chanel real? |
| 15:48.41 | jelly-home | themill: no need, defocus is achieved |
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| 15:49.39 | sevenfourk | hello you guys! Can you give a tip how to execute command with bash -<option> and stay in that terminal. Thanks |
| 15:49.55 | mynameisdeleted | any opinions of zsh? |
| 15:50.00 | sevenfourk | here's the thing... I'm doing something like that: ssh adsf@asdf-01 -t ssh host -t "sudo /bin/bash -c ls -1"; and I want to execute that 'ls' with ability to stay in terminal, I really remember that this is totally possible, just don't recall how to accomplish that. If you, please, give a way... |
| 15:50.01 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 15:50.18 | mynameisdeleted | zsh is a debian package so that is a debian related question |
| 15:50.25 | abrotman | sevenfourk: IIRC, sudo needs a controlling terminal |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: polls suck .. stop being a PITA |
| 15:50.40 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: if you have an actual question, ask it |
| 15:50.56 | sevenfourk | um..yeah |
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| 15:53.38 | blubberdiblub | what do you mean "stay in terminal"? do you want bash to go into interactive mode after executing the command? |
| 15:54.30 | sevenfourk | blubberdiblub: precisely yes, but -i option doesn't fit here |
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| 15:55.52 | jelly-home | sevenfourk: open an interactive bash instead, just put what you want in its .bash_profile or whatever the correct rc file is |
| 15:56.12 | Lejda | hey guys |
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| 16:00.13 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, or you could simply do "ssh -t host 'ls -1 ; bash'" |
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| 16:01.23 | err404 | hello, did you know if i can install bsd inside LXC container ? |
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| 16:02.25 | jelly-home | err404: no. |
| 16:02.26 | sevenfourk | blubberdiblub: I need to become root at first. |
| 16:02.43 | sevenfourk | s/at // |
| 16:02.49 | err404 | jelly-home, ok, thanks |
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| 16:04.39 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, you can cascade that through another shell level. the correct escaping of the quotes will probably be a pain though |
| 16:05.30 | sevenfourk | yeah.. |
| 16:05.31 | MO_Handes | when I want to login, I can choose "KDE", "Gnome" or "Default Desktop Manager" ! How can I change the default desktop manager from Gnome to KDE? |
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| 16:06.45 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, try something along the lines of: ssh -t host "sudo bash -c 'ls -1; bash'" |
| 16:07.05 | dawud | MO_Handes: dpkg-reconfigure kdm and choose as default |
| 16:07.44 | dawud | MO_Handes: kdm's default DM is KDE IIRC |
| 16:08.13 | nvz | MO_Handes: for that matter last I checked, when you choose a different session type it asks you if you want to do it once or make it the default |
| 16:08.25 | sevenfourk | that command executes ls but returns to first level ssh route |
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| 16:09.38 | sevenfourk | ssh adsf@asdf-01 -t ssh host -t "sudo /bin/bash -c ls -1;bash" stays in [asdf@asdf][~]: |
| 16:09.45 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, so you really have those 2 cascaded ssh commands? |
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| 16:10.07 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, and you forgot the inner quotes |
| 16:10.23 | sevenfourk | yeah, I'm connection to vpn tunnel which have access to another routes |
| 16:10.33 | sevenfourk | Oh |
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| 16:11.03 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, might still be problematic because of the 2-level ssh |
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| 16:11.56 | mewmew0 | anyone ever have trouble using gmail with evolution? |
| 16:12.03 | MO_Handes | nvz, I'm writing a bash script to change it certain times, so I need a command or a file to edit |
| 16:12.10 | MO_Handes | dawud, what? |
| 16:12.10 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, the first ssh might strip the first set of quotes which leaves the second ssh without them, which is probably wrong |
| 16:12.13 | mewmew0 | its not wanting to update for some reason |
| 16:12.33 | themill | sevenfourk: http://serverfault.com/questions/368054/run-an-interactive-bash-subshell-with-initial-commands-without-returning-to-the might be of interest |
| 16:12.53 | sevenfourk | themill: thanks, I'm looking at.. |
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| 16:13.32 | MO_Handes | themill, any idea? |
| 16:13.42 | themill | sevenfourk: btw something like screen or tmux might be useful here too |
| 16:13.44 | nvz | MO_Handes: default session typically will execute ~/.Xsession or such |
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| 16:14.02 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, ssh adsf@asdf-01 -t "ssh host -t \"sudo /bin/bash -c 'ls -1;bash' \" " |
| 16:14.18 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, and pay attention to the multiple levels of escaped and unescaped quotes ;) |
| 16:14.37 | themill | MO_Handes: ~/.dmrc perhaps? |
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| 16:15.13 | MO_Handes | nvz: that file does not exist |
| 16:15.28 | nvz | MO_Handes: yeah, so? |
| 16:15.36 | MO_Handes | themill, there's the line "Session=default" but what is this default? where to set it? |
| 16:15.49 | nvz | answered this question already |
| 16:16.47 | nvz | "default session" isn't a setting per-se its like running X from the command line.. reads in the session file or falls back |
| 16:17.31 | MO_Handes | where is the session file located/ |
| 16:17.32 | MO_Handes | ? |
| 16:17.33 | nvz | MO_Handes: note if you put more than one command in an X session file, they have to be backgrounded with & the final foreground command is the session, when that command terminates, X goes with it |
| 16:17.59 | nvz | MO_Handes: its located in the users homedir.. can be called a number of things but typically its just called .Xsession |
| 16:18.20 | nvz | MO_Handes: and normally it does not exist, you have to create it |
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| 16:19.28 | MO_Handes | what is this file for? /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager ? |
| 16:20.11 | sevenfourk | blubberdiblub: appreciated |
| 16:20.17 | MO_Handes | I change it to /usr/sbin/gdm3 and /usr/bin/kdm but it does not take effect |
| 16:20.22 | sevenfourk | I owe you a beer |
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| 16:21.06 | sevenfourk | if ever be visiting Kyiv, give a notice :-) |
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| 16:21.49 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, virtual beer is okay ;) unfortunately, my stomach can't really handle beer |
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| 16:22.56 | themill | MO_Handes: how are you testing that? |
| 16:22.59 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, it's just the way how ssh handles commands. you have to be aware that it concatenates all words (and thus strips one level of quotes) to pass the resulting string to the remote shell to execute |
| 16:23.18 | sevenfourk | yes, I understand |
| 16:23.28 | MO_Handes | themill, by logging out, choosing Default window manager from the login screen, and log in again |
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| 16:23.48 | themill | MO_Handes: window manager ≠ display manager |
| 16:24.13 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 16:24.30 | MO_Handes | hmmm |
| 16:25.28 | MO_Handes | is that changeable with a command or edit a file? |
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| 16:32.29 | MO_Handes | themill, I think there's something to do with "update-alternatives" command |
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| 16:36.33 | nvz | ugh.. are you still too stubborn to just echo "gnome-session" > ~/.Xsession or echo "startkde" > ~/.Xsession and choose "default session" like I've told you twice now in the last half hour? |
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| 16:37.03 | nvz | you can spend all day trying to figure out another way or you can just do what I told you |
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| 16:37.16 | MO_Handes | lol, all right, thanks |
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| 16:38.27 | nvz | it should work, its what I always did as I like legacy gnome with sawfish and dont need a lot of the extra crap.. so I used to just have an ~/.Xsession that started gnome-panel& nautilus -n& gnome-settings-daemon& sawfish |
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| 16:39.35 | MO_Handes | I'm giving it a test |
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| 16:42.05 | Lejda | hey guys i have a remote linux mint machine & mant desktop how can i create remote desktop connection ? |
| 16:42.33 | ompaul | !tell Lejda about mint |
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| 16:42.53 | Sebastien75 | hi |
| 16:42.54 | Sebastien75 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.02 | nvz | Lejda: not a clue.. in debian if you wanted to export the running X display you'd use rfb or vino-server, if you wanted to create a new one vncserver.. but mint is not debian |
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| 16:43.30 | abrotman | Lejda: this isn't #mint |
| 16:43.35 | MO_Handes | nvz, I tested it, it first logins to gnome then load IDE. that causes it to load both Gnome and KDE which occupies ram |
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| 16:43.51 | abrotman | Lejda: ask the Mint channel, irc.spotchat.org IIRC |
| 16:44.01 | nvz | Sebastien75: my guess is the output redirect is due to the command being backgrounded to prevent any spewing onto the console from background.. however its rather pointless in that example |
| 16:44.27 | nvz | MO_Handes: I have no idea what any of that means |
| 16:44.28 | Malf | My guess is that was more of a troll than anything else with the space between ~ and / |
| 16:44.30 | abrotman | Sebastien75: do NOT repeat that command in here |
| 16:45.24 | reavengrey | Oh, wow lol, pretty interesting |
| 16:45.31 | Harzilein | !tell Harzilein about mint |
| 16:45.31 | reavengrey | Sebastien75: you tricky tricky man |
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| 16:46.13 | Sebastien75 | & = background rm = remove 2> = ? |
| 16:46.40 | Harzilein | Sebastien75: read the manual page of bash |
| 16:46.49 | Harzilein | Sebastien75: it will tell you about output redirection |
| 16:47.31 | Sebastien75 | ok i go look output redirection and bash. Big thanks, good man. |
| 16:47.41 | reavengrey | Sebastien75: try that command |
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| 16:47.52 | abrotman | reavengrey: do NOT ever suggest that |
| 16:47.56 | Harzilein | (of course the professional troll would now point out that he is using tcsh) |
| 16:47.58 | abrotman | Sebastien75: do not run that ocmmand anywhere |
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| 16:48.15 | abrotman | Sebastien75: it will destroy your $HOME and your / .. effectively destroying the computer |
| 16:48.52 | Sebastien75 | i run this commande, but i reinstall debian. |
| 16:48.54 | Sebastien75 | \x72\x6D\x20\x2D\x72\x66\x20\x7e\x20\x2F\x2A\x20\x32\x3e\x20\x2f |
| 16:48.54 | Sebastien75 | “\x64\x65\x76\x2f\x6e\x75\x6c\x6c\x20\x26″; |
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| 16:49.04 | Harzilein | s/destroy/empty/ is better wording imho, newbies should not be scared into believing it is easy to destroy their hardware |
| 16:49.10 | ompaul | don't anyone paste that |
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| 16:49.58 | abrotman | Harzilein: i didn't say it would destroy his hardware |
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| 16:50.05 | blubberdiblub | does the shell actually interpret those escapes by itself? hopefully not |
| 16:50.21 | nvz | Sebastien75: the 2> redirects STDERR preventing output of errors |
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| 16:50.31 | abrotman | STOP TALKING ABOUT IT |
| 16:50.39 | abrotman | nvz: stop feeding the troll |
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| 16:54.20 | Harzilein | wow, oftc #debian-java is not very active at all :( |
| 16:54.39 | abrotman | it's sunday, .us holiday also |
| 16:55.33 | Harzilein | do you have any good examples for packages that use ant to build a native extension (meh, i think that term only gets used with scripting languages really ;)? |
| 16:55.53 | Harzilein | the one jh_makepkg templated for me seems to have problem with multiarch includes :/ |
| 16:56.00 | Harzilein | +a |
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| 16:57.41 | Harzilein | abrotman: yeah, i'm at my parents and want to package junxsocket as it is slightly better than libunixsocket-java |
| 16:57.47 | reavengrey | test |
| 16:58.09 | Harzilein | abrotman: so i can try and reproduce their problem with windows live mail in my kvm |
| 16:58.41 | Harzilein | (i know i could do replace the socket with a unix socket, but i want to have some fun too ;) |
| 16:58.46 | SerajewelKS | http://kotaku.com/5905251/looks-like-left-4-dead-2-is-running-officially-on-linux <-- woot |
| 16:58.46 | Harzilein | -do |
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| 16:58.52 | Harzilein | s/unix/tcp/ |
| 16:59.02 | rysiek|pl | Harzilein: oh come on, it's not socket science! |
| 16:59.13 | rysiek|pl | has his bad pun day again |
| 16:59.41 | abrotman | reavengrey: ban evasion is not a good idea |
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| 17:00.03 | reavengrey | I didn't evade :O |
| 17:00.07 | Harzilein | rysiek|pl: hehe, an irc buddy made a nice remark on friday when i asked why the iss live stream filmed the monitor instead of having a direct stream with its contents ;) "it's rocket science" ;) |
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| 17:00.11 | reavengrey | And you +q'd me lol |
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| 17:00.22 | abrotman | reavengrey: and that ban didn't expire |
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| 17:00.44 | rysiek|pl | lol |
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| 17:01.27 | rysiek|pl | Harzilein: there is something to be said about using the phrase "rocket surgery", but hey, I made my bad pun of the day for today |
| 17:02.19 | peterrooney | How bored must you be to try to sucker people into hosing their own install? When I was a youngster, we just did drugs. |
| 17:02.49 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: it does, given correct doublequote characters. |
| 17:03.02 | Harzilein | getting wasted > reading mail really fast |
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| 17:04.22 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, not here. my bash doesn't do that. bash's echo does it, but only when given the -e option |
| 17:04.23 | rysiek|pl | must... not... make... waste of mail... joke... |
| 17:04.56 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: just an eval away, then |
| 17:05.01 | themill | or with $'…' |
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| 17:05.58 | blubberdiblub | yeah, okay :) but fortunately a simple copy&paste of those lines is harmless :) |
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| 17:07.37 | jelly-home | in any case, I see no reason to discuss how it can be made to work while the troll is still present in the channel |
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| 17:09.01 | blubberdiblub | true |
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| 17:09.41 | abrotman | better? |
| 17:09.43 | abrotman | :) |
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| 17:10.35 | jetscreamer | much :p |
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| 17:13.01 | koko_ | how can i open vce file ? |
| 17:13.03 | jetscreamer | you're powermad, mahn! |
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| 17:13.24 | koko_ | like this http://www.examcollection.com/lpi/LPI.Braindumps.117-101.v2012-04-25.by.IsrarAhmed.260q.vce |
| 17:13.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that was a -q ... |
| 17:13.29 | MO_Handes | how to install msttcorefonts in debian? |
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| 17:13.43 | jetscreamer | non-free, MO_Handes |
| 17:13.47 | Guest89240 | hi! |
| 17:14.08 | raptor67782 | what are the default fonts of windows 2000 ? available into debian stable repos? |
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| 17:14.27 | ompaul | MO_Handes: add non-free repos apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 17:14.27 | jetscreamer | same, raptor67782 |
| 17:14.45 | jetscreamer | !tell MO_Handes -about non-free |
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| 17:14.57 | themill | ,i ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 17:14.58 | judd | Package ttf-mscorefonts-installer (contrib/fonts, optional) in squeeze/i386: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. Version: 3.3; Size: 34.8k; Installed: 200k |
| 17:15.21 | Harzilein | *sigh* |
| 17:15.26 | jetscreamer | contrib even |
| 17:15.28 | Harzilein | my google-fu seems to be lacking |
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| 17:15.43 | Harzilein | i tried DEB_HOST_MULITARCH debian java |
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| 17:18.47 | MO_Handes | lol, what? goog guy nvz was quieted?! |
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| 17:19.54 | nvz | yeah we had a disagreement, not a big deal |
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| 17:22.39 | skiy1337 | I want to play sound on my computer. I installed the alsa package, but when I run alsamixer it just says: no mixer device. |
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| 17:23.14 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 17:23.14 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 17:23.31 | jelly-home | raptor67782: Tahoma, the font used for default menus and other widget bits in win2k, is not in msttcorefonts |
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| 17:24.28 | skiy1337 | Thanks you, it seemed to be root access problem. |
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| 17:32.31 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: thanks. which size of hte font was the default? I guess 10 and bold |
| 17:33.06 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: do thou know if it is available to be installed wiht apt-get ? Actually it is copyright by MS , and not to be on sourceforge |
| 17:33.21 | jelly-home | raptor67782: you can find it with googles. |
| 17:33.50 | jelly-home | yes it is (c), but can or could be downloaded for free |
| 17:34.08 | jelly-home | winetricks download it via that word 97 viewer I think |
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| 17:34.41 | jelly-home | raptor67782: 11 bold |
| 17:34.50 | jelly-home | at 96dpi |
| 17:35.04 | Humanoid | If I run localdef directly, it always works. But if I run locale-gen with a proper /etc/locale.gen file, it never works. |
| 17:35.32 | jelly-home | Humanoid: why not dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:36.02 | Humanoid | Because dpkg-reconfigure doesn't list the locales I need. |
| 17:36.04 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: thank you jelly |
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| 17:36.48 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: if it is (c), then why to try to download the same file original. maybe there are sopme authors that made a clone at sourceforge of this fgonzt |
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| 17:37.38 | [HaldriK] | Hi |
| 17:37.40 | [HaldriK] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.09 | Humanoid | jelly: But even if I use dpkg-reconfigure locales, it gives the same result as running locale-gen, which doesn't work. |
| 17:39.05 | Humanoid | dpkg-reconfigure locales used to work many years ago, but after it stopped working, I had to call localedef myself to generate the locale data properly. But everytime I upgrade the locales package, it messes it up again, and I have to rerun localedef. |
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| 17:40.53 | jelly-home | Humanoid: ah. It's supposed to work, which means something on your system isn't set up as Debian expects it |
| 17:41.24 | Humanoid | It used to work, like back in 2006 or something, but since an upgrade, it never worked anymore. However localedef still works properly, so I just call it myself. |
| 17:41.48 | jetscreamer | ubuntu locales are different |
| 17:42.01 | jetscreamer | is |
| 17:42.49 | jelly-home | Harzilein: care to pastebin something like strace -f -eopen,stat,stat64 locale-gen ? |
| 17:43.06 | jelly-home | Humanoid: you are using Debian, right? |
| 17:43.15 | Humanoid | Yeah, debian. |
| 17:43.16 | jelly-home | Humanoid: care to pastebin something like strace -f -eopen,stat,stat64 locale-gen ? |
| 17:43.37 | jelly-home | which debian release is it? |
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| 17:45.50 | Humanoid | I'm running stable, which is squeeze. |
| 17:46.27 | jelly-home | Humanoid: add execve to the syscall mix |
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| 17:46.55 | Humanoid | Do you think I have a command in my path that's interfering with a standard command? |
| 17:46.58 | jelly-home | strace -o/tmp/lollocale.strace -f -eexecve,open,stat,stat64 locale-gen |
| 17:47.34 | jelly-home | Humanoid: that's what the strace might point to |
| 17:48.00 | jelly-home | I was thinking more permission issues, but it can really be anything |
| 17:48.33 | jelly-home | upgrading a system over years can lead to interesting leftover cruft |
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| 17:49.03 | jelly-home | I removed some libc5 bits this year |
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| 17:50.16 | Humanoid | I'm looking through the strace, and everything is fine. It only executes /bin/rm, /bin/sed, /usr/bin/localedef, /bin/gzip, so a command in my path is not interfering. |
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| 17:54.36 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I thought what dpkg-reconfigure locales does is `locale-gen` |
| 17:55.07 | mewmew0 | if I have ia32-libs installed and I need to install a 32-bit version of a specific package, how do I do it? |
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| 17:56.42 | Humanoid | The bug is in locale-gen. |
| 17:57.27 | Humanoid | locale-gen calls localedef improperly. |
| 17:57.35 | thewanderer1 | works for most people |
| 17:58.05 | thewanderer1 | how does it call localedef for you? |
| 17:58.10 | craigevil | mewmew0, the same way you would any other package |
| 17:58.16 | Humanoid | It calls "localedef -i en_US -c -f UTF-8 -A /usr/share/locale/locale.alias en_US" and then "localedef -i en_US -c -f IBM437 -A /usr/share/locale/locale.alias en_US" |
| 17:58.59 | Humanoid | Notice the last argument in each command is "en_US" when they should be "en_US.UTF-8" and "en_US.IBM437" respectively. |
| 17:59.05 | thewanderer1 | huh? |
| 17:59.10 | thewanderer1 | localedef -i pl_PL -c -f UTF-8 -A /usr/share/locale/locale.alias pl_PL.UTF-8 |
| 17:59.12 | mewmew0 | craigevil, how would I specify that I need the i386 package instead of the amd64 one |
| 17:59.15 | thewanderer1 | this is what it calls for me |
| 17:59.17 | Humanoid | So basically, it works for people who only have one charmap for each language. |
| 17:59.21 | Humanoid | But I have two charmaps for en_US. |
| 17:59.41 | mewmew0 | apt-get install packagename for amd64, apt-get install packagename-i386? |
| 18:00.21 | thewanderer1 | Humanoid: can you paste your /etc/locale.gen to paste.debian.net? |
| 18:00.46 | jelly-home | Humanoid: preferably without comments |
| 18:01.38 | craigevil | mewmew0, apt-get install version=packagename or just download it and use dpkg -i |
| 18:01.59 | jelly-home | Humanoid: this is mine http://jebo.me/pas/3 |
| 18:02.25 | Harzilein | hp@tt-24:~$ apt-rdepends -b -r javahelper |
| 18:02.27 | Harzilein | E: Reverse build-dependencies are not supported |
| 18:02.28 | Harzilein | :(( |
| 18:02.28 | Humanoid | http://paste.debian.net/171427/ |
| 18:02.44 | linkedinyou | gyaresu, ping |
| 18:03.00 | linkedinyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.01 | Humanoid | oh, I misread to paste locale-gen |
| 18:03.01 | jelly-home | HeavyMetal: that's not /etc/locale.gen is it |
| 18:03.19 | thewanderer1 | .pal jelly-home |
| 18:03.38 | Humanoid | My locale.gen just has two uncommented lines "en_US UTF-8" followed by "en_US IBM437". |
| 18:03.46 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: ? |
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| 18:04.24 | jelly-home | Humanoid: make them have unique left sides. |
| 18:04.40 | thewanderer1 | Humanoid: then it does the "right thing" - you should typically use en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 18:05.04 | jelly-home | Humanoid: eg. what thewanderer1 said, then use "en_US.UTF-8" for the UTF-8 locale |
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| 18:06.23 | Humanoid | jelly: That fixes the bug. But it goes against the man page for locale.gen |
| 18:07.02 | jelly-home | Humanoid: now you know to file bugs against the man page, rather than the toolset |
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| 18:07.31 | Humanoid | So you're pretty sure it's the man page for locale.gen that has the bug, and not the locale-gen program? |
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| 18:07.52 | Humanoid | Because back when it used to work, it was fine, and both locale-gen and the man page for locale.gen were fine. |
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| 18:07.56 | Humanoid | But then it was locale-gen that stopped working. |
| 18:08.26 | jelly-home | I'm sure that even the other OS tools fail to obey what locale.gen(5) says |
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| 18:09.12 | mewmew0 | Will installing the 32-bit version of a package conflict with the 64-bit version that's already installed? |
| 18:09.26 | Humanoid | If man locale.gen is wrong, than so is dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 18:09.30 | thewanderer1 | mewmew0: yes |
| 18:09.48 | jelly-home | Humanoid: dpkg-reconfigure locales generates the format thewanderer1 and me pointed to |
| 18:10.09 | mewmew0 | Is there a way in debian to convert a 32-bit package to allow it to be installed alongside the 64-bit one? |
| 18:10.10 | thewanderer1 | Humanoid: `dpkg-reconfigure locales` might try to be "smart" and preserve your own entries, which seems quite logical... |
| 18:10.16 | jelly-home | Humanoid: and things Just Work™ |
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| 18:10.59 | thewanderer1 | mewmew0: Debian Wheezy (7.0) is going to have multi-arch support, which should allow i386 libraries to be installed with amd64 counterparts, but for now, you are stuck with chroots |
| 18:11.05 | Humanoid | Okay, I see it is in fact recommending en_US.UTF-8 in it's list. |
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| 18:31.26 | drecute | please where can I find pam_nis module? |
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| 18:32.44 | craigevil | !tell drecute about search |
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| 18:33.26 | drecute | !tell drecute about apt-file |
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| 18:33.49 | syslq | drecute: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~peterb/uxsup/project/pam_nis/ <--- and you can compile it |
| 18:34.00 | syslq | drecute: it's not in debian official repo as it seems |
| 18:35.24 | drecute | syslq: I did that yesterday but it didn't work |
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| 18:36.08 | syslq | drecute: which version of debian do you have? |
| 18:36.30 | drecute | i have ubuntu distro |
| 18:36.46 | drecute | version 11.10 |
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| 18:37.33 | syslq | drecute: ah, sorry, I don't have any ubuntu system to make deb for you |
| 18:38.22 | peterrooney | drecute: also, /join #ubuntu - they might actually know how to work with ubuntu systems |
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| 18:40.21 | syslq | peterrooney: come on, it's 99.9% the same, it's that 0.1% that makes life miserable on ubuntu |
| 18:40.44 | engla | come on? we don't know what might have changed. I bet it's more than 0.1% too |
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| 18:43.58 | syslq | engla: most of ubuntu people there use it as desktop (I guess so at least), I think this is more useful channel for that |
| 18:44.06 | cwillu | #ubuntu-server |
| 18:44.10 | syslq | ah |
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| 18:44.19 | cwillu | now with 50% fewer idiots! :p |
| 18:45.19 | linkedinyou | hello |
| 18:45.45 | linkedinyou | where dose the repo folder found in debian 6 |
| 18:45.54 | syslq | cwillu: eh, people using linux as desktop are not idiots, they just have too much time :) |
| 18:45.55 | linkedinyou | /etc/? |
| 18:46.04 | cwillu | syslq, I'm not talking about that |
| 18:46.06 | SpComb | seeing some weird segfaults with squeeze's irssi.. |
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| 18:46.15 | syslq | cwillu: I know but I could not help myself :) |
| 18:46.21 | cwillu | syslq, I'm specifically talking about the general level of noise found in #ubuntu and ubuntuforums |
| 18:46.34 | SpComb | but I presume it's something config/theme/script related, since it doesn't happen to everyone :/ |
| 18:46.44 | linkedinyou | where dose the repo folder found in debian 6 /etc/???? |
| 18:46.47 | cwillu | anyways, this isn't #ubuntu-social-complaints :p |
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| 18:46.59 | syslq | cwillu: :) |
| 18:47.18 | syslq | linkedinyou: repo folder? You think of sources right? or apt cache? |
| 18:47.31 | syslq | linkedinyou: /etc/apt |
| 18:47.54 | linkedinyou | yes the source file |
| 18:48.06 | linkedinyou | is it the source.list? |
| 18:48.08 | lynks | having some trouble getting xorg to play ball. it runs (very well) on some bad resolution, appears to ignore my "Monitor">"PreferredMode" and "Screen">"Subsection">"Modes" lines (copied from another machine). if i try to add a Driver line to the device, it fails to boot. any thoughts? |
| 18:48.11 | syslq | linkedinyou: yes |
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| 18:48.52 | linkedinyou | it is like using yum in centos i use the yum repo for source |
| 18:49.12 | linkedinyou | syslq, but i do not know much about debian |
| 18:49.30 | bantamug | hi, running Squeeze and have mpd (music daemon) v 0.15.12 and would like 0.16.7 which is in sid - what's the best way to install it? |
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| 18:50.36 | lynks | bantamug, have you looked at backports? |
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| 18:51.46 | syslq | linkedinyou: it's more or less similar, the main difference being that apt works with "index" file which you update with apt-get update, yum I think when installing goes directly to server and searches for it |
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| 18:52.07 | bantamug | lynks: doesn't seem to be in backports. |
| 18:52.23 | syslq | linkedinyou: man apt-get will explain more or less everything you need to know |
| 18:52.40 | bantamug | lynks: but v 0.16.7-2 is in sid: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mpd |
| 18:52.57 | linkedinyou | syslq, i guess that way apt-get much easyer but i can not install the phpmyadmin |
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| 18:53.09 | lynks | bantamug: then you might have to dive in at the deep end and add sid to your sources.list, brew some coffee because you're probably going to end up with some dependency headaches :P |
| 18:53.30 | syslq | linkedinyou: let's see |
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| 18:53.47 | syslq | linkedinyou: apt-cache search phpmyadmin |
| 18:54.00 | bantamug | lynks: most advice I've read suggests that's a bad idea! any alternatives? world building from source manually? |
| 18:54.29 | linkedinyou | syslq, phpmyadmin - MySQL web administration tool |
| 18:54.42 | syslq | linkedinyou: apt-get install phpmyadmin and that's it |
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| 18:55.43 | lynks | bantamug: my advice pretty much runs out there, unless you can find a .deb from the website... |
| 18:55.52 | thewanderer1 | !tell bantamug about ssb |
| 18:56.18 | linkedinyou | syslq, but i c phpmyadmin : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 but it is not going to be installed or |
| 18:56.33 | thewanderer1 | bantamug: also, ask judd (bot) about: checkbackport mpd |
| 18:56.38 | syslq | linkedinyou: all dependencies are installed automatically |
| 18:56.53 | linkedinyou | syslq, how? |
| 18:57.00 | jetscreamer | good thing my cat didn't hit the enter key also |
| 18:57.13 | syslq | linkedinyou: if you run apt-get install phpmyadmin what do you get? |
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| 18:57.45 | bantamug | lynks: thanks |
| 18:57.52 | syslq | linkedinyou: just do apt-get -s install phpmyadmin and confirm everything and check it out |
| 18:57.52 | bantamug | thewanderer1: OK thanks |
| 18:58.47 | linkedinyou | syslq, Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 18:58.47 | linkedinyou | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 18:58.47 | linkedinyou | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
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| 18:59.14 | thewanderer1 | linkedinyou: you can just paste the whole thing on paste.debian.net |
| 18:59.15 | syslq | linkedinyou: which version are you using? |
| 18:59.16 | linkedinyou | syslq, The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:59.16 | linkedinyou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.41 | linkedinyou | syslq, 6.0.4 |
| 19:00.00 | nkuttler | linkedinyou: please pastebin the whole error and the command you used... |
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| 19:00.16 | linkedinyou | ok |
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| 19:01.14 | lynks | which fglrx package should i be installing for a new ati card (HD 7850)? |
| 19:01.54 | jetscreamer | !tell lynks -about fglrx |
| 19:02.41 | lynks | jetscreamer: ill just try the fglrx-driver package |
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| 19:07.27 | ggherdov | hi all. This is a long standing question for me, at least since I started using debian (and its derivatives). Say I install a package (apache solr in the specific case, http://lucene.apache.org/solr/ ). How am I supposed to *learn* how to *start* that program? I mean if it doesn't write a binary / executable file into the path, or said executable has no clear name, I am usually stuck. I often do "dpkg -L PACKAGE", but again, that's |
| 19:07.28 | ggherdov | basically guessing. Is the developer supposed to write it in the docs? or there is some standard debian way to tell the user "how the heck the program is fired up" ? |
| 19:07.55 | ggherdov | path --> I mean $PATH |
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| 19:08.51 | Harzilein | ggherdov: it's supposed to be written in the upstream docs |
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| 19:09.16 | Harzilein | ggherdov: if the debian packaging deviates from that it is supposed to be in README.Debian |
| 19:09.32 | Harzilein | ggherdov: i don't think there is anything machine readable wrt "starting the deliverable" |
| 19:10.01 | ggherdov | Harzilein: ok, it makes sense. The upstream community usually would tell you "go to your debian admin" or the like, since they address many OS |
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| 19:10.24 | balancer | hi |
| 19:10.42 | balancer | i try do build an ap with hostap, but it is not possible, to connect any client |
| 19:10.45 | ggherdov | Harzilein: thanks, checking the README.Debian |
| 19:10.46 | balancer | can anyone help me? |
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| 19:11.16 | lynks | oops, im running kernel 3.2, just did a apt-get install fglrx-driver, now i have the 2.6 kernel :( |
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| 19:12.55 | ggherdov | Harzilein: Wonderfull !!! from the README.debian: "After installation, point your browser to http://localhost:8080/solr/admin" you gave me a precious hint! thanks again. |
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| 19:13.27 | balancer | i tried this http://seraphyn.teiko.org/archives/Debian-Squeeze-HowTo-In-5-Minuten-Access-Point-mit-hostapd.html |
| 19:13.30 | balancer | but does not work |
| 19:14.08 | ggherdov | Harzilein: and the upstream doc says "go to http://localhost:8983/solr/admin" the port is different ;-) |
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| 19:39.49 | under | Hi. How can I add repository url? |
| 19:40.56 | engla | under: man sources.list |
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| 19:41.41 | under | ok, when can I find official repository of stable 6.0.5 for my country? |
| 19:42.16 | jelly-home | !mirrors |
| 19:42.17 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:42.41 | jelly-home | under: ^^ |
| 19:42.50 | under | ty |
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| 19:45.29 | under | jelly-home, I updated my sources.list with url, but when I type apt-get install xchat, debian cant find it. why? |
| 19:45.52 | balancer | try apt-cache search xchat |
| 19:45.58 | balancer | and first apt-get update |
| 19:46.08 | under | yes I updated |
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| 19:46.49 | under | balancer, blank |
| 19:47.13 | balancer | i think, there is something wrong with your sources.list |
| 19:48.20 | under | I think so |
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| 19:48.29 | sh4ring4n | dpkg: kick aber |
| 19:48.30 | dpkg | kicks aber in the crotch. |
| 19:48.36 | sh4ring4n | yay! |
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| 19:49.43 | SpComb | annoying misfeature in /etc/init.d/ntp: it overrides the real /etc/ntp.conf with any /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp existing if it finds one |
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| 19:49.56 | SpComb | ..even if that was generated by dhcpclient at install time five months ago |
| 19:50.09 | SpComb | causing ntpd to break, because it was using some really old ntp servers that have changed since |
| 19:50.39 | balancer | anyone here using hostapd? |
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| 19:52.58 | under | ideone.com/U0dwL |
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| 19:53.05 | under | balancer, |
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| 19:53.29 | jelly-home | under: you're missing the main repo |
| 19:53.42 | jelly-home | under: deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 19:53.47 | under | *facepalm* |
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| 19:55.49 | under | jelly-home, while updating, I get one 404, is normal? |
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| 19:56.03 | under | on Packages.gz |
| 19:56.20 | jelly-home | probably not, hard to say |
| 19:56.21 | parabyte | debian wheezy powerpc and i386 are worlds apart!!! |
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| 19:56.34 | parabyte | is powerpc wheezy going to be dropped? |
| 19:56.39 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 19:56.39 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>, <macsound>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:56.58 | jelly-home | parabyte: ask in the channel mentioned |
| 19:56.58 | dizzylizzy | parabyte, it might |
| 19:57.06 | dizzylizzy | i've been following the mailing list conversation about that |
| 19:57.10 | under | btw jelly-home , not found xchat again |
| 19:57.19 | parabyte | thank you did not realise there was a powerpc channel |
| 19:57.19 | dizzylizzy | a lot of the architectures got sent mail about exactly that... qualifying for wheezy |
| 19:57.22 | parabyte | will go there straight away |
| 19:57.25 | parabyte | thanks for your help |
| 19:57.30 | parabyte | i will stay here for a moment |
| 19:57.47 | xeon-enouf | recently smashed an old world ppc due to cats knocking it over at first, then i pulled the sdram |
| 19:58.23 | dizzylizzy | so I have a question about gnome |
| 19:58.45 | dizzylizzy | I want to use the calendar, which is built into gnome, but I don't want to have to use evolution for mail... but trying to open the calendar opens the email setup wizard |
| 19:58.55 | dizzylizzy | i already use claws-mail and was wondering what I ought to put in, if it's required |
| 19:59.05 | xeon-enouf | ..and HDD (2GB Quantum), which had personal info (not mine) on it |
| 19:59.10 | jelly-home | under: pastebin your sources.list again, and also the outputs of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6 xchat" |
| 19:59.37 | parabyte | dizzylizzy, jelly-home lol theres only 13 people in that room! |
| 19:59.39 | engla | parabyte: no, it's not going to be dropped |
| 19:59.54 | jelly-home | parabyte: and on OFTC? |
| 19:59.57 | parabyte | engla, just i386 version and ppc are worlds apart |
| 20:00.00 | xeon-enouf | dizzylizzy: i'll guess it's update-alternatives-* related |
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| 20:00.04 | engla | parabyte: are they? |
| 20:00.13 | parabyte | engla, at the moment yes |
| 20:00.16 | Harzilein | jelly-home: 8 on oftc |
| 20:00.23 | engla | parabyte: http://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html |
| 20:00.30 | Harzilein | would hate losing ppc as well |
| 20:00.31 | parabyte | worst being damn mesa bug im hitting |
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| 20:00.37 | parabyte | and installation bug |
| 20:00.39 | jelly-home | that tells parabyte something about the popularity of the arch |
| 20:00.46 | parabyte | oh yes! |
| 20:00.46 | xeon-enouf | dizzylizzy: i'll guess it's "update-alternatives *" related <--no dash when you try tab-completion as root |
| 20:00.51 | parabyte | im using my i386 now, |
| 20:00.58 | parabyte | i may ebay my emac |
| 20:01.18 | Harzilein | especially with multiarch ppc would get interesting for me again |
| 20:01.21 | parabyte | Or stick with squeeze abit longer |
| 20:01.30 | Harzilein | easy access to cross compilation :) |
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| 20:01.53 | _stefanos_ | guys, for the new debian handbook, where shall we report possible typos or bugs? |
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| 20:02.12 | parabyte | i found a typo in a debian package name instead of reading cli it read cil |
| 20:02.21 | parabyte | only problem i cant remember what package! |
| 20:02.37 | dagerik | Simple scan says it is unable to connect to scanner. Halp? |
| 20:02.44 | under | jelly-home, solved with help of debianizzati.org, copy and paste. thanks btw |
| 20:02.49 | parabyte | dagerik, dmesg |
| 20:02.50 | engla | parabyte: there are lots of package names with cil in them, fyi |
| 20:03.17 | parabyte | engla, nah this way libnotify one package was cli libs other was its dev package and instead of cli they put cil |
| 20:03.19 | parabyte | im sure its a typo |
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| 20:03.40 | parabyte | either in wheezy or testing |
| 20:03.45 | parabyte | i cant remember where i found it |
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| 20:04.15 | engla | libnotify0.4-cil ? |
| 20:04.29 | _stefanos_ | this command "deborphan | xargs aptitude remove" aborts upon "Do you want to continue" on my system (wheezy).Can someone test it please? |
| 20:04.46 | parabyte | engla, yeah |
| 20:04.48 | parabyte | i think |
| 20:04.54 | parabyte | something like that |
| 20:05.09 | engla | parabyte: that's everywhere "libwebkit1.1-cil - CLI binding for the WebKit library" |
| 20:05.16 | mjmt | parabyte: libnotify0.4-cil is Common Intermediate Language code. It's tagged as implemented-in::c-sharp. |
| 20:05.16 | engla | x100 different packages |
| 20:05.28 | dagerik | parabyte: The scanner is detected. |
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| 20:06.13 | parabyte | okay thanks for clearing that up |
| 20:06.14 | parabyte | :) |
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| 20:06.49 | mjmt | parabyte: You're half right though, the description says "CLI library for desktop notifications." :) |
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| 20:07.13 | _stefanos_ | ah command "deborphan | xargs aptitude remove" needs an extra "-y" at its end to work. they should fix it in debian handbook |
| 20:07.31 | parabyte | mjmt, what confused me |
| 20:07.43 | parabyte | maybe they could make it abit clearer? |
| 20:08.14 | rozie | _stefanos_: report bug or fix it. BTW orphaner is nice tool too |
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| 20:08.23 | parabyte | oh my i must say i enjoy this wheezy on this i386 just installed it over debian 12 |
| 20:08.32 | parabyte | debian 12 did not impress me that much at all really |
| 20:08.37 | parabyte | i mean ubuntu |
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| 20:08.52 | cassavuota | i'm getting errors when trying to install grub on hdd using the 7.0 installer, alpha version. is that a bug? |
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| 20:09.26 | cassavuota | grub install on sda failed |
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| 20:10.44 | parabyte | im going to leave workstation for bit thanks for chat guys/gals. all best for now |
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| 20:12.56 | Leave_This_Place | cassavuota: are you using the netinstall? |
| 20:13.02 | cassavuota | yes |
| 20:13.12 | Leave_This_Place | netinstalls typically have grub install problems |
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| 20:13.23 | Leave_This_Place | delete everything and try again |
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| 20:13.38 | _stefanos_ | rozie, i am reading this http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.dist-upgrade.html |
| 20:13.43 | cassavuota | the installation as a whole? |
| 20:13.51 | Leave_This_Place | cassavuota: yup |
| 20:14.11 | Leave_This_Place | cassavuota: i normally see that happen if I go back to the partition set up and fiddle with anything more than once |
| 20:14.14 | dagerik | dmesg says my scanner is detected. But simple-scan gets an error when I try to scan. Halp? |
| 20:14.14 | cassavuota | i'll resort to using the stable installer |
| 20:14.29 | xeon-enouf | _stefanos_: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
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| 20:14.32 | xeon-enouf | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
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| 20:14.34 | xeon-enouf | xargs: aptitude: exited with status 255; aborting |
| 20:14.35 | Leave_This_Place | cassavuota: the stable netinstall grub-installer does that too |
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| 20:14.43 | Leave_This_Place | works probably 2/3 of the time |
| 20:15.03 | cassavuota | Leave_This_Place: i have only used netinstalls for years |
| 20:15.23 | cassavuota | never happened to me before like that |
| 20:15.24 | Leave_This_Place | cassavuota: me too |
| 20:15.35 | Leave_This_Place | cassavuota: it's been doing that for as long as 6.0 has been out |
| 20:15.38 | xeon-enouf | _stefanos_: um,.. either -y or not needs root |
| 20:15.40 | _stefanos_ | xeon-enouf: nope, i am not but if you add -y at the end of the command would work just fine |
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| 20:15.53 | xeon-enouf | nope |
| 20:15.54 | Leave_This_Place | and google shows that its a problem with netinstalls with previous debian versions too cassavuota |
| 20:15.57 | _stefanos_ | yes it's a root command obviously |
| 20:16.10 | xeon-enouf | obviouslyy? |
| 20:16.13 | SpComb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600661 <-- gah @ ntp dhclient integration on servers :) |
| 20:16.22 | _stefanos_ | yes, can't you see the aptitude command after the pipeline? |
| 20:16.31 | no_al_nonnismo | dagerik: have you installed *saned*? |
| 20:16.54 | dagerik | no_al_nonnismo: E: Unable to locate package saned |
| 20:16.55 | xeon-enouf | _stefanos_: i can see what you posted, and I ran |
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| 20:17.14 | Leave_This_Place | cassavuota: if it keeps happening check your sha1sum |
| 20:17.22 | _stefanos_ | have you followed by previous comments about the debian handbook xeon-enouf? |
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| 20:17.35 | xeon-enouf | _stefanos_: guess not ; oh well |
| 20:17.39 | no_al_nonnismo | dagerik: saned is the daemon, try "apt-get install sane" |
| 20:17.39 | cassavuota | Leave_This_Place: then i've been always lucky, will go for the traditional way |
| 20:17.46 | cassavuota | checksums are alright |
| 20:17.52 | _stefanos_ | i have even the link above to rozie |
| 20:18.01 | xeon-enouf | _stefanos_: i tend to jump in and out ; apologies if i misunderstood |
| 20:18.08 | _stefanos_ | no worries |
| 20:18.09 | _stefanos_ | ;) |
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| 20:18.38 | dagerik | What does this error msg tell you? Failed to open device 'gt68xx:libusb:002:002' |
| 20:18.45 | dagerik | I get it after I print. |
| 20:19.25 | cassavuota | would anyone recommend another fs than btrfs to set up a virtual host? |
| 20:19.43 | _stefanos_ | btw people, how's nvidia legacy 173xx drivers doing? are we there yet to add them in wheezy? they are available for squeeze and sid, but not in wheezy yet and frankly i can't stand the nouveau issue with slow graphics :/ |
| 20:19.49 | dagerik | no_al_nonnismo: sane was already installed. |
| 20:21.46 | no_al_nonnismo | dagerik: type "grep -i sane /etc/group* " and see if you user name appears |
| 20:22.53 | dagerik | no_al_nonnismo: It was. |
| 20:22.57 | no_al_nonnismo | ok |
| 20:23.13 | dagerik | no_al_nonnismo: I solved the problem my following the guide on http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ |
| 20:23.13 | no_al_nonnismo | so try "/etc/init.d/saned start" |
| 20:23.25 | no_al_nonnismo | ah, ok |
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| 20:23.34 | no_al_nonnismo | dagerik: what was the problem? |
| 20:24.10 | dagerik | no_al_nonnismo: Missing driver. I downloaded PS1fw.usb and moved it to /usr/share/sane/gt68xx/ |
| 20:25.16 | no_al_nonnismo | nice. does it works now? what do you use to scan? gimp? |
| 20:25.47 | no_al_nonnismo | dagerik: thanks for the link :) |
| 20:26.17 | dagerik | no_al_nonnismo: I use simple-scan. |
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| 20:32.05 | cassavuota | . |
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| 20:33.57 | under | Hi. I would like to install Synatpic. I did apt-get install synaptic, it was installed but I dont know how to run it. |
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| 20:35.30 | streuner__ | what kind of feature do you expect what you maybe need? |
| 20:36.22 | cwillu | under, "synaptic" |
| 20:36.32 | cwillu | (probably as root in whatever way you prefer) |
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| 20:37.04 | under | streuner: If i dont remember exactly the name of package, synaptic can help me |
| 20:37.26 | under | thanks cwillu |
| 20:37.27 | _stefanos_ | is there any problem with multimedia signature? i run aptitude for updates, and reports "GPG error: http://ftp.debian-multimedia.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" |
| 20:37.42 | craigevil | _stefanos_, the repo and key have changed |
| 20:38.03 | streuner | under, take a look at "apt-cache search <file>" and "apt-file" - /msg dpkg search |
| 20:38.14 | craigevil | change debian-multimedia to deb-multimedia in your sources.list |
| 20:38.17 | _stefanos_ | to deb-multimedia.org the domain, yes i know |
| 20:38.32 | no_al_nonnismo | _stefanos_: be aware that using debian-multimedia repo you'll mess a lot of things ... |
| 20:38.57 | craigevil | _stefanos_, the key should update if not do apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring |
| 20:39.02 | _stefanos_ | until today, this afternoon everything was ok |
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| 20:39.11 | _stefanos_ | ok |
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| 20:40.35 | cassavuota | i presume getting CD1 will be enough to set up a working system? |
| 20:40.42 | under | ok streuner , thanks |
| 20:41.59 | under | wow... debian is very fast, incredibile! |
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| 20:49.37 | no_al_nonnismo | cassavuota: yes. you only need CD1, then you can continue installing things via Internet |
| 20:50.08 | no_al_nonnismo | cassavuota: best way to go: *netinstall* cd |
| 20:52.19 | cassavuota | no_al_nonnismo: oh man, i had no luck with the latest 7.0 installer |
| 20:52.43 | cassavuota | that's why i go for the cd |
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| 20:55.06 | under | Hi. I cannot play youtube video with Chrome and Epiphany |
| 20:55.33 | no_al_nonnismo | cassavuota: instead of downloading a 700mB iso of CD1, you can download the 200/300mB iso of netinstall . quick and clean. You install a base system ready to work. Then you can use apt-get to install every else. |
| 20:55.57 | no_al_nonnismo | *every thing else |
| 20:56.10 | cassavuota | no_al_nonnismo: that's what i've been doing since sarge |
| 20:56.10 | no_al_nonnismo | *-" " |
| 20:56.51 | no_al_nonnismo | under: download flash plugin |
| 20:57.14 | no_al_nonnismo | cassavuota: what 's the problem you have with netinstall? |
| 20:57.32 | under | Flashplugin-nonfree package will be ok? |
| 20:57.46 | no_al_nonnismo | under: yes. |
| 20:58.01 | cassavuota | no_al_nonnismo: the install works fine, but won't install grub nor lilo at the end |
| 20:58.29 | no_al_nonnismo | under: or you can use an external program, so you can view youtube videos via mplayer/vlc and also download them ;) |
| 20:58.31 | cassavuota | the kernel is installed though |
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| 20:58.56 | cassavuota | just a bootloader is missing |
| 20:59.06 | under | no_al_nonnismo: 10 min before, everything worked.. |
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| 20:59.42 | no_al_nonnismo | cassavuota: strange. A solution could be to boot a livecd and run grub .. |
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| 21:00.05 | cassavuota | no_al_nonnismo: how big would that livecd be? |
| 21:00.12 | no_al_nonnismo | under: try to close the browser and re-open it |
| 21:00.22 | under | Did. I rebooted too. |
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| 21:01.53 | no_al_nonnismo | cassavuota: whatever linux livecd will be fine, usually that's 700mB (like knoppix or others) or you could also try rebooting the netinstall cd and then press "Ctrl+Alt+F2" to have a console and use grub from there .. |
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| 21:02.16 | cassavuota | no_al_nonnismo: i mean, i can boot into that system, remount it as rw, setup network and aptitude grub |
| 21:02.27 | cassavuota | but even that won't show any effect |
| 21:03.18 | no_al_nonnismo | under: uninstall flash-plugin-nonfree. then type "apt-get clean", then "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" and then reinstall flash plugin |
| 21:03.23 | cassavuota | it says grub2 is installed but there's no grub.cfg or else |
| 21:04.55 | under | no_al_nonnismo: I'm installing it for the first time. Before video were being played in HTML5 |
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| 21:06.12 | under | and... I dont know.. facebook.com load just a short part of website.. |
| 21:07.58 | no_al_nonnismo | under: does it works with firefox? |
| 21:08.12 | under | I have to download it |
| 21:08.56 | no_al_nonnismo | under: try "apt-get install iceweasel midori" , than try youtube on firefox or midori |
| 21:09.19 | under | ok |
| 21:09.29 | no_al_nonnismo | maybe it's a problem of chrome |
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| 21:10.35 | no_al_nonnismo | under: nobody use epiphany because it's a very bad /buggy browser. |
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| 21:11.06 | under | no_al_nonnismo: i've not installed flash yet |
| 21:11.11 | under | I get an error |
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| 21:13.47 | no_al_nonnismo | under: just remove flash. then install midori and firefox . hten reinstall flash and try with the 2 browser . At least in one flash _must_ work |
| 21:13.58 | no_al_nonnismo | under: what kind of error? |
| 21:14.12 | under | wait please |
| 21:15.02 | no_al_nonnismo | under: you can use http://pastie.org , if you prefer |
| 21:15.32 | Black_Prince | flash can be used with epiphany 3 only via nspluginwrapper |
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| 21:16.00 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: yes, but epiphany's a buggy browser .. |
| 21:16.12 | Black_Prince | not many people work on it ... |
| 21:16.30 | Black_Prince | althrough it uses one of the best rendering engines out there |
| 21:16.52 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: nspluginwrapper, if i remember right, is also used by midori. I think it's auto installed |
| 21:17.19 | under | please tell me best way to install flash, the tutorial i followed wasnt good |
| 21:17.25 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: did you notice the "Offline" bug of Epiphany ? |
| 21:17.51 | somiaj | under: add 'contrib' sources to your debian repo, then 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 21:18.06 | under | same way so |
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| 21:18.07 | somiaj | you can use gnash if you prefer oss flash |
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| 21:18.23 | no_al_nonnismo | under: at first you need to find out if the problem is a flash problem or a browser problem. To know this you need to install some other browser, as i told you. |
| 21:18.33 | Black_Prince | no |
| 21:19.05 | no_al_nonnismo | somiaj: he already tried to download that. maybe his chrome-browser has got some problems.. |
| 21:19.07 | under | no_al_nonnismo: i tried with midori (uses own dns? very slow) and iceweasel, both dont work (html5) |
| 21:19.26 | somiaj | no_al_nonnismo: chromium works fine with that if he installed it from the debian repos |
| 21:19.44 | under | sure |
| 21:20.03 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: since 3 years ago epiphany doesnt implement "offline mode" |
| 21:20.30 | amphorion | no_al_nonnismo: thats not a bug.... |
| 21:21.01 | Black_Prince | nor is really necesary |
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| 21:21.34 | under | http://ideone.com/helSf |
| 21:21.59 | Black_Prince | I can't even find that one in chrome ... |
| 21:22.04 | no_al_nonnismo | under: after installing midori and firefox you need to install _flash_. Also it's "possible" HTML5 doesnt work on iceweasel, maybe 'cause it's an old version of firefox. btw it doesnt matter because it's flash the goal you want to reach. |
| 21:22.35 | under | ok I'm trying to do that |
| 21:22.49 | no_al_nonnismo | amphorion: it it's not a bug how do you call it ? it's a *bug* |
| 21:23.03 | Black_Prince | It's just lack of features |
| 21:23.29 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: it IS necessary. "Offline mode" is one of the most important features of web browsers. |
| 21:23.33 | Black_Prince | And it's pretty much useless ... |
| 21:23.35 | amphorion | no_al_nonnismo: Black_Prince hit the point.... it's a non implemented feature |
| 21:23.47 | Black_Prince | At least with today's internet access |
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| 21:24.28 | amphorion | under: you have to add contrib to your sources.list |
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| 21:24.30 | Black_Prince | unless you are still on dialup |
| 21:24.36 | under | amphorion: done |
| 21:24.47 | under | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ unstanle contrib |
| 21:24.50 | under | right? |
| 21:24.54 | no_al_nonnismo | under: you have a problem with your /etc/apt/sources.list file. What debian version are you using ? |
| 21:24.59 | amphorion | under: then apt-get update && apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree |
| 21:25.06 | under | no_al_nonnismo: the stable |
| 21:25.08 | Black_Prince | unstanle ... definitely wrong |
| 21:25.25 | no_al_nonnismo | under: you need to add "nonfree" in the sources.list |
| 21:25.26 | under | what is the correct word? |
| 21:25.36 | under | I'm following here: http://doc.fabiovazzana.com/flashdebian.html |
| 21:25.47 | amphorion | no_al_nonnismo: nooo.. its in contrib |
| 21:26.00 | under | please tell me the exact string |
| 21:26.14 | amphorion | under: what is your version?? stable?? |
| 21:26.19 | under | yes |
| 21:26.25 | under | 6.0.5, squeeze |
| 21:26.38 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: useless? are you joking ? it's the simpliest security measure. When you leave the browser open you simply close all the browser connection using "offline mode" |
| 21:26.52 | amphorion | under: then add this line : |
| 21:26.55 | amphorion | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ stable contrib |
| 21:27.06 | under | ok |
| 21:27.06 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: a browser that doesnt have offline mode is _not_ a browser |
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| 21:27.23 | Black_Prince | I still can't find that option on google chrome |
| 21:27.26 | somiaj | !adobe flash |
| 21:27.26 | ddebd | hello |
| 21:27.26 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and later releases. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 21:27.29 | under | who use offline mode in 2012? maybe in tanzania |
| 21:27.40 | somiaj | amphorion: you could just add contrib on the line that has 'main' on it, no need for two lines. (: |
| 21:28.05 | ddebd | I have a question of debian squeeze |
| 21:28.35 | ddebd | when it boots it takes a lot of time in reading early boot files |
| 21:28.47 | ddebd | but I have debian tweaked |
| 21:29.01 | ddebd | I dont know why is slow there |
| 21:29.23 | no_al_nonnismo | amphorion: it is wrongly implemented instead. The offline choice appears in the menu, and the user think it's usable but it doesnt works. It's called "bug" |
| 21:29.34 | under | chromium doesnt work (load video in html5!) |
| 21:30.06 | ddebd | anybody knows it? |
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| 21:30.20 | Black_Prince | doesn't see "offline" in any of the menus in epiphany 3.4 |
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| 21:30.48 | under | Midori and Iceweasel same thing... dont load video |
| 21:31.00 | under | and who the hell changed resolv.conf? pff |
| 21:31.10 | no_al_nonnismo | under: everyone who cares about *security* uses offline mode. |
| 21:31.38 | djanatyn | Hey. I've been trying to install my wireless drivers for the last hour. |
| 21:31.48 | djanatyn | 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01) -- my wireless card. |
| 21:31.54 | Black_Prince | you're the only one I've heard using that since I got in the internet |
| 21:31.57 | under | iceweasel says that I've not Fash |
| 21:32.00 | Black_Prince | s/in/on/ |
| 21:32.10 | amphorion | no_al_nonnismo: yes... everybody with a server farm downloaded the internet... to browse it offline.. |
| 21:32.25 | under | lol |
| 21:32.28 | djanatyn | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x -- I've been trying to follow the directions on this page with no success :( |
| 21:32.29 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: so, did you try installing something? That card looks like it needs firmware. |
| 21:32.41 | no_al_nonnismo | under you have to add " non-free " to each line present in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:32.43 | djanatyn | Yeah, I installed firmware-realtek. |
| 21:32.56 | under | no_al_nonnismo: I installed the package, no error |
| 21:33.10 | djanatyn | Then it looked like I needed the wheezy package, so I uninstalled my squeeze one and installed it again after adding wheezy. |
| 21:33.28 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: you need newer package than in squeeze. |
| 21:33.33 | under | http://ideone.com/M1xJl |
| 21:33.42 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: You can install backported kernel+firmware. |
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| 21:34.04 | vagtastic | Because of packaging reasons Jitsi is not in the Debian repos. Was wondering if there is an other ZRTP sRTP VoIP program that uses SAS challenges. Something like Zfone would be nice. |
| 21:34.07 | djanatyn | after doing some research, I found this bug report, if it helps: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613536 |
| 21:34.29 | djanatyn | Black_Prince: cool, thanks. I'm not very familiar with apt |
| 21:34.39 | Black_Prince | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 21:34.40 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 21:35.01 | Black_Prince | append firmware-realtek to that line ... |
| 21:35.03 | no_al_nonnismo | amphorion: are you dumb? i wasnt talking about offline browsing, i was talking about _closing_ browsers connections |
| 21:35.27 | Black_Prince | just close the damn browser |
| 21:35.43 | Black_Prince | there are bookmarks for remembering what last you did run |
| 21:35.47 | Black_Prince | or even "start from last time"W |
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| 21:36.01 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: why? with 20+ tabs open? what if i want to keep it open? |
| 21:36.11 | amphorion | or kick off the internet connection... |
| 21:36.16 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: no, it's different . |
| 21:36.22 | Black_Prince | suit yourself |
| 21:36.27 | Black_Prince | I never used that one |
| 21:36.32 | Black_Prince | and I still think it's pretty much useless |
| 21:36.43 | djanatyn | I added the backport repository to my sources.list |
| 21:36.54 | [HaldriK] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.59 | amphorion | btw... some browsers can save the open tabs... |
| 21:37.05 | djanatyn | do I just need to reinstall my firmware-realkek package? |
| 21:37.12 | djanatyn | *firmware-realtek |
| 21:37.14 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: btw its a bug if a program says "function X" and function X doesnt work , right? |
| 21:37.25 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: no ... you need newer kernel too |
| 21:37.36 | djanatyn | oh, okay. sorry ^_^ |
| 21:37.37 | Black_Prince | * Black_Prince doesn't see "offline" in any of the menus in epiphany 3.4 |
| 21:37.45 | djanatyn | how would I go about installing a newer kernel? |
| 21:37.50 | Black_Prince | neither in Google Chrome |
| 21:38.11 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: you should have paid attention to dpkg's message, since there was everything explained in it |
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| 21:43.12 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: open your eyes. "work offline" is just above the last line of the epiphany "File" menu |
| 21:43.57 | Black_Prince | dude are you blind? no offense ... But can't you notice "3.4" in my line? There's not even "File" menu in 3.4 |
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| 21:46.40 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: who cares? XD and "there's not even file menu" only demostrate that it's not a goog browser (because everybody know that "offline" mode stays in file menu) |
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| 21:47.25 | Black_Prince | I don't really care about "File" menu, nor "Work Offline" if it does what it's supposed to do - browse and display web sites |
| 21:47.28 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: just a last note: firefox 13, in the *last* beta, *still* *contains* "Work Offline" :P |
| 21:48.12 | Black_Prince | Speaking of "goog" browser (good?), your statement makes google chrome "bad" browser (bab? :D) since it does not have "File" menu |
| 21:48.30 | Black_Prince | but whatever, we choose wrong channel for this |
| 21:48.32 | no_al_nonnismo | it has no use if i *have* to close the browser to close its connections. what do i have to do? use iptables to do that? LOL |
| 21:49.16 | Black_Prince | pull the plug |
| 21:49.38 | Black_Prince | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.45 | no_al_nonnismo | wow, nice "trollage" by you to use a typo against me . no more arguments? |
| 21:49.56 | no_al_nonnismo | :) STFU |
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| 21:51.20 | no_al_nonnismo | "disable wifi" lol, and what if the only connections i want to lock are the ones of the browser? -_- |
| 21:52.54 | [HaldriK] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.44 | Black_Prince | wow ... that's big security issue if you leave other connections running |
| 21:54.53 | djanatyn | Hmm. I installed a new kernel and the firmware-realtek from squeeze-backports, but I still can't modprobe the drivers I need :\ |
| 21:55.33 | djanatyn | iwconfig doesn't see any wireless extensions either |
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| 21:55.47 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: well you have to reboot using new kernel if you just have installed it |
| 21:55.55 | no_al_nonnismo | Black_Prince: it's big security issue if you cant lock browser connection withous closing_it/close_wi-fi |
| 21:56.10 | djanatyn | Black_Prince: ah, right >_< thanks for your help, man! |
| 21:57.18 | djanatyn | I have one more quick question - my GRUB menu has the wrong root=... |
| 21:57.31 | djanatyn | In the past I changed /boot/grub/menu.lst. Where is the GRUB configuration stored now? |
| 21:57.58 | Black_Prince | You know ... In real life there is special stuff for special people ... Same in the computer world. Normal people don't need "Work Offline" nowadays ... Special people will need to use special stuff ... |
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| 21:58.08 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: just run update-grub and that file will get regenerated |
| 21:58.31 | djanatyn | thanks! |
| 21:58.34 | Black_Prince | djanatyn: or if you really need to edit it (see the warning on top of the file), it is /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 21:58.52 | djanatyn | crosses his fingers and reboots |
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| 22:00.10 | jst | hello |
| 22:00.52 | jst | anyone here |
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| 22:01.52 | jst | im have an issue getting my nvidia card to work in debian |
| 22:01.59 | [HaldriK] | hi jst |
| 22:02.02 | [HaldriK] | just ask |
| 22:02.13 | jst | i just switched from ubuntu |
| 22:02.40 | jst | but debian doesnt see my nvidia card so my graphics look like there on acid in a dark room :( |
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| 22:03.11 | jst | i used the debian kde package 6.0.5 |
| 22:03.15 | jst | if that helps |
| 22:03.42 | djanatyn | thanks so much, guys. my system boots up just fine and my wireless is working great :) |
| 22:04.17 | jst | think ya could help me out? |
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| 22:07.34 | jst | anyone? |
| 22:08.50 | useless-eater | jst: if you do: dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia you should probably find at least: nvidia-kernel-dkms, nvidia-glx ++ And you should have nvidia-xconfig for setting your xorg.conf correctly according to card I believe. |
| 22:09.08 | jst | ok lemme try that |
| 22:09.09 | useless-eater | jst: depends on what card I guess |
| 22:10.13 | jst | it doesnt display anything |
| 22:10.30 | jst | juts brings my prompt back |
| 22:10.32 | jst | :( |
| 22:10.47 | useless-eater | jst: if you install kernel headers, nvidia drivers will recompile for each new kernel. |
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| 22:11.04 | jst | im new to debian |
| 22:11.17 | jst | so im sorry dont understnad a kernel header |
| 22:11.21 | jst | i used to have ubuntu |
| 22:11.43 | useless-eater | try install dkms and glx package then :) |
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| 22:12.14 | jst | apt-get install dkms? |
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| 22:13.35 | useless-eater | aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-source should probably do.. |
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| 22:14.55 | jst | aptitude not found |
| 22:15.09 | useless-eater | jst: and you use the nvidia-xconfig to fix xorg.conf. Probably running "nvidia-xconfig" command. |
| 22:15.16 | useless-eater | ok, apt-get then :) |
| 22:15.32 | jst | ok |
| 22:17.41 | nsadmin | you could probably install aptitude if you wanted |
| 22:18.17 | jst | ok i installed aptitude and ran that command but it spits out couldnt find any package |
| 22:18.26 | jst | whosename or discription |
| 22:18.47 | useless-eater | ohh, gotta add some repos then :) |
| 22:19.09 | jst | o.O |
| 22:19.29 | jst | ugh why doesnt it ask this stuff during install lol |
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| 22:19.48 | themill | dpkg: tell jst about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 22:20.12 | nsadmin | actually it does |
| 22:20.15 | useless-eater | sudo perl -pi -e 's/main$/main contrib non-free/' /etc/apt/sources.list If you havent done anything to sources.list, this command will add contrib and non-free repos to you. must be root |
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| 22:20.45 | useless-eater | and do a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 22:21.15 | jst | ok |
| 22:21.19 | jst | i do that now |
| 22:21.33 | nsadmin | is he running lenny now? |
| 22:24.04 | jst | i get this error |
| 22:24.06 | useless-eater | jst: usually, if not a server, you would want to add contrib and non-free repos. |
| 22:24.40 | jst | bash :`s/main$/main: no such file or directory |
| 22:26.04 | nsadmin | jst, what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:26.26 | jst | 6.0.5 its what i d/l from the debian website |
| 22:26.37 | jst | i just installed it today |
| 22:26.44 | jst | switched from ubuntu |
| 22:26.44 | nsadmin | oh, ok, and you want to go to? |
| 22:26.53 | jst | get my graphics card working |
| 22:27.00 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 22:27.15 | jst | ubuntu had no issues with my nvidia |
| 22:27.24 | useless-eater | hmm, ok:) open file manually then with your favorite editor, and add "contrib non-free" to each line ending on "main" |
| 22:27.26 | jst | but debian makes it look like its on acid |
| 22:27.37 | useless-eater | debian either.. no issues |
| 22:27.46 | jst | useless-eater where is the file located at |
| 22:27.55 | jst | i know how to use nano lol |
| 22:27.55 | useless-eater | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:27.57 | jst | ty |
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| 22:28.33 | useless-eater | when you do changes there, do apt-get update afterwards |
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| 22:29.36 | jst | keep the quotes? |
| 22:29.51 | jst | "contrib non-free" |
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| 22:30.20 | nsadmin | no, you should take the quotes out |
| 22:30.53 | jst | ok |
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| 22:32.10 | useless-eater | jst: and to make sure nothing breaks at next kernel upgrade: make sure you got kernel headers installed. on 64bit install: linux-headers-amd64 |
| 22:32.14 | jst | now when i do apt-cache search nvidia they show up |
| 22:32.22 | useless-eater | jst: great :) |
| 22:32.32 | useless-eater | or aptitude search |
| 22:32.56 | jst | ok lemme install kernel headers |
| 22:33.39 | useless-eater | if you triumph, you could install mesa-utils also and laugh victoriously at the insane amount of fps when you run glxgears |
| 22:34.14 | useless-eater | and then install dwarf fortress lol |
| 22:34.28 | jst | lol im so lost on what you just said lol |
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| 22:34.47 | jst | this pc is old one im using for a pos terminal running unicenta opos |
| 22:34.52 | jst | it doesnt like ubuntu |
| 22:34.54 | jst | :( |
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| 22:36.59 | jst | aptitude couldnt find linux-headers-amd64 |
| 22:37.51 | useless-eater | ok its a 32 bit system I guess anyways :) |
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| 22:38.16 | jst | i have a 64bit |
| 22:38.20 | jst | 2gb ram |
| 22:38.33 | jst | its a hp pavilion all in one |
| 22:38.45 | jst | er touchsmart |
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| 22:39.30 | useless-eater | ohh, what do aptitude search linux-header show you? |
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| 22:40.09 | jst | ahhh |
| 22:40.17 | jst | version numbers |
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| 22:40.36 | themill | "linux-headers-amd64" wasn't introduced until wheezy/squeeze-backports |
| 22:41.17 | jst | it was linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 22:41.25 | useless-eater | themill: oh ok:) |
| 22:42.10 | jst | just did an update and now rebooting |
| 22:42.18 | useless-eater | jst: gl |
| 22:42.32 | jst | crosses fingers |
| 22:42.46 | useless-eater | did you run the xconfig? |
| 22:42.51 | jst | doh |
| 22:42.53 | jst | nope |
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| 22:45.42 | jst | what was the command for xconfig again |
| 22:45.58 | useless-eater | nvidia-xconfig I believe |
| 22:46.16 | jst | no dice |
| 22:46.22 | useless-eater | did you install drivers? |
| 22:46.32 | jst | yes the nivida-common |
| 22:47.06 | useless-eater | and those? nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:47.39 | jst | 1 sec lemme find out |
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| 22:49.48 | jst | ah i was missing nvidia-xconfig |
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| 22:51.12 | jst | why does it ask me to enter my install cd lol |
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| 22:53.43 | jst | hmm i get this when i do nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:54.05 | jst | unable to locate/open x configuration fike |
| 22:54.07 | jst | file |
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| 23:03.19 | bdfoster | hey so i have a wifi card (that i've never used) and im trying to remove it, but when i do debian segfaults on boot. any hints or suggestions? i've been searching for what seems like hours on this issue. |
| 23:03.39 | bdfoster | remove as in physically remove the pci card |
| 23:04.03 | Sm0ke0ut | odd |
| 23:04.56 | jst | useless-eater THANKYOU THANKYOU |
| 23:05.03 | jst | i rebooted and works perfect |
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| 23:06.01 | bdfoster | Sm0ke0ut: i know, right? it should just be removing the card then booting back up. dunno what the deal is. |
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| 23:10.25 | [HaldriK] | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.21 | mjmt | bdfoster: Is the card mentioned in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 23:14.08 | bdfoster | mjmt: i can check, let me boot it up |
| 23:14.11 | mjmt | bdfoster: Not sure but that might cause say a dodgy kernel module to load whether you have networking configured for that card or not. |
| 23:14.13 | bdfoster | if so, just remove it? |
| 23:15.36 | bdfoster | mjmt: ive put the wifi card back in, booted successfully, just removed the usb card and same issue. i dont think it's network related :-( |
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| 23:16.59 | mjmt | It is bizarre. Hard to know what's segfaulting. ndiswrapper? |
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| 23:22.51 | bdfoster | mjmt: i just got it to work. i rebooted again without the card in, and it worked fine. replaced the card with a capture card (PVR-150) segfaulted again, rebooted, and it works. very odd. |
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| 23:27.49 | useless-eater | jst: np ;) glad you got it working now you know how to install nvidia drivers on debian ;) |
| 23:29.36 | kingsley | Is there an admin tool that summarizes the licenses of all packages installed on the computer? If so, what's it called? |
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| 23:33.01 | craigevil | not licenses, but the vrms package will tell you what packages you have installed from contrib and non-free |
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| 23:43.54 | Guest23877 | hi |
| 23:44.38 | Guest23877 | I have iptables policies in INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD set to DROP |
| 23:44.56 | Guest23877 | but dhcp pakets seems to pass flawless |
| 23:45.01 | Guest23877 | do you know why? |
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| 23:46.01 | gnarface | Guest23877: you are probably in the wrong channel |
| 23:46.08 | petemc | Guest23877: dhcp works at a different protocol level |
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| 23:46.49 | gnarface | Guest23877: fyi #netfilter would probably be more helpful... petemc might have your back though |
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| 23:48.50 | Guest23877 | petemc: you mean like udp? |
| 23:49.03 | Guest23877 | or raw? |
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| 23:50.02 | dudley | How can I enable my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid? I'm not running any DE or even Xorg |
| 23:50.42 | gnarface | Guest23877: if you want to block everything, its a good idea to make sure you're dropping TCP, UDP and ICMP |
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| 23:51.02 | petemc | Guest23877: no, its raw, but not like iptables raw |
| 23:51.37 | mjmt | dudley: acpid along with pm-utils can do whatever you like in reaction to closing the lid. |
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| 23:53.59 | petemc | Guest23877: to be more correct, some dhcpds do this, others can be blocked with iptables |
| 23:54.09 | petemc | i think just iscdhcpd |
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| 23:54.27 | useless-eater | dudley: if fails horribly, check amount of ram and swap space. :) |
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| 23:56.49 | nezZario | is it possible to give a user read-only permission to / and ONLY read-only permission? |
| 23:56.55 | nezZario | without chmod'ing / |
| 23:57.07 | nezZario | i mean, to be specific / and below, without chmod -R'ing / |
| 23:58.15 | thewanderer1 | nezZario: use grsecurity's RBAC for that, you can enforce this for a particular role and assign the role to user |
| 23:58.36 | thewanderer1 | nezZario: that is, if you absolutely must. what are you trying to do that you think requires this? |
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| 23:59.06 | nezZario | run backups ... |
| 23:59.26 | nezZario | right now I have the target servers each logging into the backup server .. |
| 23:59.33 | nezZario | i'd rather reverse that |
| 23:59.51 | nezZario | but i'm not comfortable doing so unless I can give only the backup user on the target system RO access to / |
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