| 00:00.03 | JJCale | boycottFB: no I don't. I know how to check it... with aptitude why... aptitude search ~Ddepends... aptitude search ~Drecommends, etc... This is a know bug of aptitude.... |
| 00:00.23 | boycottFB | JJCale, use /var/log/apt/history.log to find out what packages they are. then you can remove them using "apt-get remove packages" |
| 00:00.27 | bfig | solved my problem. /etc/resolv.conf had a bad nameserver registered >_> |
| 00:00.30 | bardzusny | JJCale: try to remove some of these "unneeded" packages manually...aptitude should warn you if they're actually needed |
| 00:00.42 | bardzusny | JJCale: known bug? any ticket? |
| 00:01.55 | boycottFB | i think it's not a bug |
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| 00:02.22 | JJCale | boycottFB: I know how to solve this manual. But I should not need to do this kind os things manually! Besides I can no longer trust apt-get and aptitude... And I don't want to keep a log os all installations I do as a means to unistall all the unused automatically packages in the future... That would be insane... |
| 00:02.49 | JJCale | boycottFB: It's a bug, and this kind of bug is affecting many packages, not just the k3b case... |
| 00:03.26 | boycottFB | peterrooney, thanks for the info. deborphan, i ' ll try it now :-) |
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| 00:03.41 | JJCale | boycottFB: There are a number of filled bug reports reporting this king os problems, that turn aptitude and apt-get completelly unusable packages... Debian package management is dead |
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| 00:04.01 | JJCale | boycottFB: you can try it for yourself... |
| 00:04.19 | boycottFB | do you use the 'debianmultimedia' repo? i know for sure it can cause very bad problems .. |
| 00:04.23 | indicator | abrotman, rebooting, wish me luck |
| 00:04.25 | bardzusny | JJCale: can you show me any of these bug reports? |
| 00:04.39 | JJCale | boycottFB: just chek google |
| 00:04.42 | JJCale | check |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | !bless indicator |
| 00:04.47 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child indicator, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 00:05.10 | indicator | LOL |
| 00:05.11 | bardzusny | he'll be fine |
| 00:05.16 | JJCale | boycottFB: debian packages.... aptitude... bug reports |
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| 00:05.59 | boycottFB | JJCale, what debian version are you using ? |
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| 00:06.54 | JJCale | boycottFB: besides you just need to try it for youself... you can trie it with k3b and you can test it with many other packages |
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| 00:07.31 | JJCale | boycottFB: debian testing, but this kind of problem is affecting aptitude for years... it affects sqeeze, for instance |
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| 00:07.47 | boycottFB | hehe if you tell me it's a mess why should i try it on my machine ? XD |
| 00:08.49 | JJCale | boycottFB: you can unistall the unused packages manually. The problem is not uninstall the unused packages one time, but the need to chek this anytime someone do an installation |
| 00:08.51 | boycottFB | eek! i'm using wheezy too :( |
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| 00:10.01 | JJCale | boycottFB: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495711 |
| 00:10.30 | JJCale | boycottFB: trust me... aptitude is seriously broken... |
| 00:10.56 | boycottFB | JJCale, now that i think about it .. last days i noticed strange behavior of apt, update installed much things and also some simple installs made my install a lot of packets .. |
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| 00:12.03 | JJCale | boycottFB: the bug lies on not removing automatically installed packages thar are no longer required by any installed packages |
| 00:12.06 | boycottFB | aptitude ? is it only aptitude or is it a general bug of APT ? |
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| 00:12.27 | boycottFB | btw i used squeeze and didnt noticed it |
| 00:12.48 | boycottFB | i noticed something strange only with wheezy |
| 00:13.01 | JJCale | boycottFB: I think is a general bug of apt, but since I used aptitude from the begining it is better for me no mixing apt-get with aptitude |
| 00:13.01 | bardzusny | in squeeze it's not broken for sure, squeeze is perfect and shiny always |
| 00:13.02 | bardzusny | :) |
| 00:13.12 | rainfyre | heh |
| 00:13.14 | rainfyre | yes it is |
| 00:13.15 | bardzusny | or rather not squeeze but stbale |
| 00:13.19 | JJCale | bardzusny: no it's not... |
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| 00:14.01 | rainfyre | boycottFB: I had lots of updates in squeeze and wheezy the past 3 days |
| 00:14.18 | boycottFB | rainfyre, me too |
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| 00:14.46 | indicator | I live |
| 00:14.57 | rootant | congrats |
| 00:15.00 | indicator | abrotman, however, still have the same stupid terminal issue |
| 00:15.05 | rainfyre | yeah no doubt, congrats |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | indicator: remember when i asked if you were fully up to date? |
| 00:15.17 | bardzusny | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432017 - isn't that the issue? |
| 00:15.24 | boycottFB | 25 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded. |
| 00:15.34 | boycottFB | from apt-get , _NOW_ |
| 00:15.40 | indicator | well hold on now, I cannot guarantee that I will not experience the wireless issue in due time |
| 00:15.46 | bardzusny | I just checked it, some packages indeed when 'aptitude purge'd want to die alone, instead of taking all the dependencies with them |
| 00:15.48 | boycottFB | (on wheezy) |
| 00:16.02 | JJCale | boycottFB: no, it's not that issue |
| 00:16.06 | indicator | wait, wtf.. why my date is wayyy off is beyond me |
| 00:16.32 | bardzusny | JJCale: the bug you posted is from 2008 |
| 00:16.47 | bardzusny | oh |
| 00:16.50 | bardzusny | mine is from 2007 |
| 00:16.50 | abrotman | indicator: is ntp installed ? |
| 00:16.52 | bardzusny | nevermind |
| 00:17.25 | JJCale | boycottFB: I already told... the automatically installed flag is not being removed... aptitude simply does not unistall the unused automatically installed packages when someone purges the package that brought all those automatically installed packages... |
| 00:17.51 | Tordek | I'm using ntp, and my ntp.conf lists serveral servers, but ntpq -pn only shows 10.42.42.2, which isn't even in the .conf |
| 00:17.54 | Tordek | help? |
| 00:18.03 | JJCale | boycottFB: you don't need to check bug reports. All you need to do is test the issue with some packages lol |
| 00:18.18 | indicator | abrotman, also, the terminal issue seems to be specific to gnome-terminal |
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| 00:18.43 | indicator | abrotman, ntpd is installed |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | indicator: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrae .. anything want to install ? |
| 00:18.55 | bardzusny | JJCale: you're right and it looks big |
| 00:19.01 | JJCale | boycottFB: aptitude is totally broken... 68 unused and not required packages not being purged.... This is nuts |
| 00:19.29 | bardzusny | 'aptitude purge gimp' tries to remove only gimp, same for chromium, xorg, others |
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| 00:20.30 | indicator | abrotman, just need to note right quick before answering your question, graphics driver must have updated.. Everything is super smooth |
| 00:20.32 | JJCale | boycottFB: I even have reported this issue here and some users had confiormed it. But now the situation is more dramatic, because with k3b we are talking about 68 unused packages not being automatically removed as they should!!! |
| 00:22.59 | JJCale | boycottFB: And I'm running lxde and I ever never installed a kde application, just k3b, a couple of houres ago... :) |
| 00:23.32 | indicator | abrotman, nothing to upgrade |
| 00:23.35 | boycottFB | what does it means when, installing something via apt-get, the package name ends with a "{a}" ? |
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| 00:24.09 | bardzusny | via aptitude it has {a} |
| 00:24.21 | bardzusny | I mean, the dependencies |
| 00:24.23 | JJCale | boycottFB: means it will be automatically intalled, as dependency or a recommended... |
| 00:24.24 | boycottFB | bardzusny, via "apt-get" |
| 00:24.25 | bardzusny | the package itself doesn't |
| 00:24.41 | boycottFB | like this: |
| 00:24.41 | bardzusny | also, it affects only some packages on my system (up to date sid) |
| 00:24.44 | boycottFB | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 00:24.44 | boycottFB | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | indicator: at all? |
| 00:25.31 | indicator | at all |
| 00:25.33 | boycottFB | note the {a} ----^ |
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| 00:26.02 | bardzusny | boycottFB: yes, I have something like this |
| 00:26.06 | peterrooney | where is the reference for those suffixes? |
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| 00:27.19 | boycottFB | bardzusny, JJCale, are you sure the {a} indicates the dependencies? i think i've not seen it so frequenly like last 5 days ... |
| 00:27.42 | boycottFB | almost never. |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | peterrooney: there's a huge aptitude manual |
| 00:28.15 | JJCale | boycottFB: it indicates the package will be automatically installed, obviously as a depends or recommends |
| 00:28.36 | bardzusny | I got these since forever, these are dependencies afaik |
| 00:28.54 | boycottFB | ah, ok. thanks |
| 00:28.56 | indicator | abrotman, I'm fairly confident my wireless issue is no longer :-) |
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| 00:29.07 | indicator | abrotman, now onto this stupid gnome-terminal issue |
| 00:29.21 | indicator | I wonder if compiz has something to do with it |
| 00:29.31 | thewanderer1 | it most probably does |
| 00:29.46 | indicator | false, it doesn't... |
| 00:29.53 | indicator | :( |
| 00:29.55 | peterrooney | abrotman: yes, there is, but it's not covered in there |
| 00:30.00 | thewanderer1 | that or the graphics drivers |
| 00:30.25 | indicator | thewanderer1, why only gnome-terminal and not xterm, or any other window for that matter |
| 00:31.54 | thewanderer1 | indicator: no idea, but on a related note, only doing pie charts in LibreOffice was so far able to hang my X.org. no games, no Flash animations. only silly charts... there must be something specific in it :P |
| 00:32.07 | thewanderer1 | indicator: what drivers are you using? |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | peterrooney: IIRC, it's in there somewhere, but it's not obvious |
| 00:32.18 | abrotman | thewanderer1: for his gnome-termianl ? |
| 00:32.34 | thewanderer1 | er, graphics drivers |
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| 00:33.11 | indicator | thewanderer1, open office always has issues for me so I stop using it. That sounds related to your graphics driver |
| 00:33.26 | indicator | thewanderer1, it's not my graphics driver. |
| 00:33.31 | thewanderer1 | indicator: I know, i915 is buggy as hell so I'm asking |
| 00:33.39 | indicator | ah |
| 00:33.45 | indicator | well let me see |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:34.53 | thewanderer1 | especially interactions between i915, rc6 (Sandy Bridge), frame buffer compression, and GTK can be surprising |
| 00:35.05 | thewanderer1 | one thing to rule out |
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| 00:35.25 | indicator | thewanderer1, using a 945gme chipset for whatever that entails |
| 00:35.38 | abrotman | i have an intel chipset, works fine here |
| 00:35.51 | indicator | I cannot see gnome-terminal having these issues specific to the driver |
| 00:36.00 | indicator | just doesn't make sense for the way gnome is built |
| 00:36.12 | thewanderer1 | indicator: well, does it happen with vesa driver, too? |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | indicator: have you tried as a different user? |
| 00:36.51 | indicator | thewanderer1, no idea.. I haven't bother switching out drivers as there's no correlation |
| 00:37.01 | indicator | abrotman, nope, let me see |
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| 00:38.01 | chowder | hello all. I'm having some trouble configuring my connection. I need to set the default gateway and do a few other things via the commandline that I'm not altogether familiar with. Can anyone help? |
| 00:40.05 | somiaj | chowder: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:40.13 | indicator | abrotman, with another user, the problem persists.. |
| 00:40.41 | somiaj | chowder: you can configure the defaults for a interfaces with that file then use debian's ifup/ifdown scripts. If you want to be more manual than using those simple scripts, man either ifconfig or ip |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | indicator: is the full 'gnome' packages installed? aptitude install gnome ? |
| 00:41.17 | chowder | somiaj: I've been at this for hours. I've tried ifconfig eth0 up followed by dhclient eth0. It doesn't get a lease. |
| 00:41.39 | chowder | somiaj: I've also tried using route and manually adding my default gateway but I'm getting nowhere |
| 00:41.42 | abrotman | indicator: this laptop is an up-to-date wheezy .. i'm not experiencing this |
| 00:41.44 | somiaj | chowder: put this following line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:42.12 | somiaj | chowder: "iface eth0 inet dhcp" -- then type "ifdown eth0" followed by "ifup eth0" |
| 00:42.25 | somiaj | chowder: the debian scripts will link it all together for you |
| 00:42.25 | chowder | already tried that |
| 00:42.40 | indicator | abrotman, gnome-core{a} seems to want to be installed o_o |
| 00:42.40 | thewanderer1 | chowder: can you paste the output of "ip link show" to paste.debian.net ? |
| 00:42.46 | abrotman | indicator: yay? :) |
| 00:42.47 | chowder | I have auto etho followed by the line you just wrote |
| 00:42.52 | indicator | abrotman, I hope so |
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| 00:43.15 | somiaj | chowder: and what is the result of "ifup eth0" -- it tries to get a dhcp lease but one isnt assigned to it? |
| 00:43.18 | chowder | thewanderer1: yea I'll do that. Please give me a moment I'm on my laptop but working on another PC (the one with connectivity issues) |
| 00:43.46 | peterrooney | abrotman: just read through both the man page and aptitude-doc-en; sadly, not there. |
| 00:43.48 | thewanderer1 | chowder: if you're going to be retyping, don't bother - just tell us if there's a "NO-CARRIER" written next to eth0 |
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| 00:44.03 | chowder | somiaj: it says no dhcpoffers received. no working leases in persistent databases |
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| 00:44.29 | chowder | thewanderer1: yea that's exactly what it says |
| 00:44.35 | abrotman | peterrooney: i've seen it somewhere ... |
| 00:44.54 | thewanderer1 | chowder: it means the cable is not detected or, in fact, is unplugged... |
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| 00:45.06 | chowder | thewanderer1: its plugged into my router |
| 00:45.25 | indicator | abrotman, hermm, well going to restart gnome.. See if some magic happens :-| Wish I could see more logs.. Would help me actually determine what the issues are |
| 00:45.28 | chowder | thewanderer1: and my router is connected to my cable modem. |
| 00:45.36 | indicator | installing/uninstalling is a poor solution |
| 00:45.40 | indicator | this isn't windows :-| |
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| 00:45.54 | abrotman | indicator: being out of date isn't generally good in a quickly moving release |
| 00:45.56 | thewanderer1 | chowder: does your router have a connectivity light next to its RJ-45 port which goes to your PC, that shows you whether the cable is connected? |
| 00:45.58 | peterrooney | abrotman: we seek either your wisdom or its citation. what _do_ the suffixes mean? |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | peterrooney: which ones? |
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| 00:46.51 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | peterrooney: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/aptitude-0.4.10-released/ |
| 00:47.20 | peterrooney | abrotman: the ones in braces after the package names during a non-ncurses aptitude invocation (eg aptitude install k3b) |
| 00:47.20 | chowder | thewanderer1: the display is on the front of the router but for some reason the corresponding light isn't on. It shows that its connected to the internet but the light for the ethernet jack isn't turned on. |
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| 00:47.37 | thewanderer1 | chowder: can you try another cable? |
| 00:47.45 | thewanderer1 | (and another port) |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | peterrooney: given the age of that blog post, should be in the docs somewhere |
| 00:48.13 | chowder | thewanderer1: its a brand new cat5e cable and I don't have another one. I could try another port, though. |
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| 00:49.23 | peterrooney | abrotman: you would think. I know I have never changed something without changing the docs. # Now I have to re-read and find out about which meaning of "tag" that blog post is using. |
| 00:49.29 | indicator | abrotman, nope |
| 00:49.34 | indicator | no go |
| 00:49.36 | peterrooney | is now working with a bent face |
| 00:49.53 | abrotman | indicator: ugh |
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| 00:50.01 | abrotman | indicator: going to have to suggest you poke the BTS |
| 00:50.54 | indicator | abrotman, maybe to give you some more detail, I'm using ncmpcpp to test input and such.. You can click on song titles to select them, so I tried that, I was able to select tracks based on mouse input but keyboard, nope.. I need to open another term via ctrl+shift+t |
| 00:51.04 | indicator | what could it be? |
| 00:51.35 | indicator | heh, I can scroll up and down with the mouse and but cannot use the keyboard |
| 00:51.49 | chowder | thewanderer1: I should mention that even though its connected to the router the corresponding light doesn't turn on. Another thing is that I can't ping the router or the modem which the router connects to. |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | indicator: bugs.debian.org/gnome-terminal .. see if anyone else has a similar issue |
| 00:52.29 | thewanderer1 | chowder: well, it's logical that you can't ping it without an IP address |
| 00:52.40 | chowder | thewanderer1: ifup eth0 gives me "already configured" |
| 00:53.01 | chowder | thewanderer1: of course, without the gateway it has no idea where to go. I apologize. I'm just burned out today. |
| 00:53.08 | thewanderer1 | chowder: the light staying off indicates that you're, in fact, not connected. and "configured" doesn't mean "the physical connection is fine". |
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| 00:53.28 | jedir0x | does anyone know how to enable gigabit ethernet speeds with the forcedeth driver? |
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| 00:53.53 | chowder | thewanderer1: idk what the issue is. I just checked and everything is connected. That cat5e was bought today. |
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| 00:54.16 | chowder | thewanderer1: the only thing I can think is that the ethernet card is bad but it shows up in lspci |
| 00:54.29 | thewanderer1 | chowder: it shows up as what? |
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| 00:54.31 | gnarface | chowder: it wouldn't be the first brand new ethernet cable that was dead on arrival |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | or a bad driver |
| 00:55.07 | chowder | gnarface: I see |
| 00:55.11 | thewanderer1 | missing firmware maybe |
| 00:55.26 | chowder | thewanderer1: Realtek Semiconductor. I think Linux supports this card. |
| 00:55.40 | gnarface | that's a brand not a card |
| 00:55.46 | gnarface | their chips are in more things than not |
| 00:56.16 | thewanderer1 | chowder: need a model number |
| 00:56.37 | gnarface | i like the ones with the little tiny picture of a robot crab on them |
| 00:57.02 | chowder | thewanderer1: RTL-8319/8319C/8319C+ that's part of what lspci spat out |
| 00:57.41 | dvs | I bet the numbers are wrong |
| 00:57.59 | thewanderer1 | chowder: not 8139C? (mind: eight one three nine...) |
| 00:58.07 | chowder | yea that's it. My mistake |
| 00:58.16 | thewanderer1 | most common card on the planet |
| 00:58.31 | thewanderer1 | chances are, it's the card or the cable |
| 00:58.49 | gnarface | could just be weak connections... i'd try wiggling the plug to try to get a link light |
| 00:58.52 | gnarface | look for rust on the contacts |
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| 00:59.04 | gnarface | loose connectors |
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| 00:59.08 | gnarface | or even broken wires near the jack |
| 00:59.12 | gnarface | (bend the cable a bit) |
| 00:59.17 | chowder | gnarface: the light on the actual PC is on but the routers light isn't. |
| 00:59.25 | thewanderer1 | huh... |
| 00:59.38 | gnarface | chowder: by on the actual pc, you mean the one on the card? if so, does it blink when you ping |
| 00:59.41 | gnarface | ? |
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| 01:00.07 | chowder | yea I mean the actual lights on the ethernet card are blinking |
| 01:00.27 | thewanderer1 | huh, and still says NO-CARRIER |
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| 01:00.46 | thewanderer1 | I'd blame the cable or the router port - btw. have you tried a different port yet? |
| 01:00.59 | chowder | thewanderer1: yep, nothing |
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| 01:01.24 | ADFENO | Hello everybody. |
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| 01:02.04 | chowder | I'm going to try another cable. I just installed Debian squeeze but it didn't have gnome's network manager or anything. I used CD1 since this machine has no DVD player. I don't know if it would be any different with a netinstall |
| 01:02.16 | ADFENO | I have Debian Squeeze, and I have problem... When I try to play .AVI files, I have no sound. |
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| 01:02.46 | thewanderer1 | chowder: the venerable rtl8139c should work with the most minimal install you can come up with |
| 01:03.36 | chowder | thewanderer1: yea I figured that too. I've never had problems with that card. I think I just borked something in terms of the configuration. |
| 01:03.40 | bardzusny | ADFENO: what player? sound works in other applications? |
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| 01:04.05 | thewanderer1 | chowder: by the way, during install, the installer normally asks you for network config... did DHCP work during install? |
| 01:04.16 | ADFENO | VLC... And no... .AVI files sound does not work in other applications. |
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| 01:04.54 | ADFENO | I tried to convert the audio to an .OGG/.OGA audio file, but it gets muted. |
| 01:05.11 | chowder | thewanderer1: that's the thing. At the time it wasn't connected to the router. Its my brother's computer and he connects to our wireless AP using a USB dongle. So I couldn't do a netinstall because the drivers require the use of ndiswrapper. |
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| 01:05.46 | ADFENO | I do not want to play around with debian-multimedia.org because last time I used it, I saw my distribution destroy itself. |
| 01:05.46 | bardzusny | ADFENO: in alsamixer, is anything muted? |
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| 01:05.50 | thewanderer1 | chowder: anyway, NO-CARRIER clearly indicates that the cable is not detected by the driver, and there's no misconfiguration I can think of that could cause that |
| 01:06.00 | nsadmin | ADFENO, just to clarify a question that may have been asked and answered... just making sure... you're saying sound does not work in anything? |
| 01:06.04 | thewanderer1 | other than, of course, a "physical" misconfiguration :P |
| 01:06.29 | nsadmin | configures a 2by4 in the middle of the chair |
| 01:06.30 | ADFENO | Well... I have sound in everything, just the .AVI files are muted. |
| 01:06.56 | chowder | thewanderer1: well I think I'm going to just call it a night. I've been on this all day and still nothing. I'll post on the forums or something. Thanks for all your help everyone |
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| 01:07.00 | ems_ | Is anyone here from Brazil? |
| 01:07.05 | nsadmin | so mostly, sound does work... ok, that rules out some things |
| 01:07.10 | abrotman | !tell ems_ about br |
| 01:07.10 | ADFENO | Me, I am from Brazil. |
| 01:07.24 | nsadmin | ems_, hi. welcome to debian support |
| 01:07.27 | peterrooney | welcome comment on aptitude suffix: |
| 01:07.29 | peterrooney | !aptitude suffix |
| 01:07.29 | dpkg | [aptitude suffix] The lowercase suffixes in braces {X} correspond to these actions: "Install", "Automatic", "Upgrade", "Downgrade","Remove", "Purge", etc. This list is certainly incomplete; see http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/aptitude-0.4.10-released/ and the aptitude-doc search term reference. |
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| 01:08.10 | Tordek | I'm using ntp, and my ntp.conf lists serveral servers, but ntpq -pn only shows 10.42.42.2, which isn't even in the .conf; any ideas what can be causing this? |
| 01:08.16 | ems_ | And you already work with Debian or just studying? |
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| 01:08.59 | thewanderer1 | ems_: general talk is best had in #debian-offtopic |
| 01:09.08 | ADFENO | I agree. :D |
| 01:10.06 | ADFENO | I have a fear that I cannot interact with .AVI files. :( |
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| 01:11.12 | gnarface | not all avi files were created equal |
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| 01:11.18 | ADFENO | If my friend's movie camera just had support for .OGG formats... This would turn things more easy. |
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| 01:11.53 | ADFENO | I will try to get other information from the files... |
| 01:11.58 | ADFENO | Just a minute. |
| 01:12.06 | gnarface | ADFENO: ffmpeg may be of use |
| 01:12.14 | ADFENO | Thank you. |
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| 01:18.21 | ADFENO | According to VLC, the audio codec is PCM MU-LAW (mlaw) mono at 11025 Hz with 16 bits. |
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| 01:19.40 | Diopter | ADFENO: If you're trying to play/convert that, install "sox" |
| 01:19.53 | ADFENO | Hm... :D |
| 01:19.59 | ADFENO | I will try. :D |
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| 01:20.02 | Diopter | It will convert nearly anything to anything else, as far as uncompressed or losslessly-compressed audio formats |
| 01:20.10 | Diopter | Just "sox infile.blah outfile.bleh" |
| 01:20.18 | Diopter | And choose .wav or whatever for the output |
| 01:20.23 | ADFENO | :D |
| 01:20.26 | Diopter | It's not a transcoder per-se, I don't think it knows many "codecs" |
| 01:20.31 | Diopter | But it knows a shitload of raw formats. |
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| 01:22.08 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I'm using aptitude, I have a list of properties of a packages, and I want to change available versions, but I can't figure out how. |
| 01:23.43 | Diopter | MouseTheLuckyDog: Um... aptitude install package=version |
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| 01:25.04 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Diopter I mean in the ncurses version. |
| 01:26.51 | ADFENO | Wow. |
| 01:27.02 | ADFENO | I found a solution, Audacity. :D |
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| 01:27.41 | Diopter | ADFENO: That works as well. But I figured since I saw discussion about ffmpeg, you wanted a commandline converter |
| 01:28.23 | ADFENO | Well... I try to avoid the command line when my parents are near. :D |
| 01:28.32 | ADFENO | They do not like it. :D |
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| 01:28.34 | Diopter | ... wut? |
| 01:29.01 | ADFENO | It is like a two-sided personality. :D |
| 01:29.37 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Is mlaw losy? If so and you chose a lossless codeec to transcribe to it may not be listenable. |
| 01:29.38 | Diopter | All I hear is "My parents are crazy" |
| 01:29.40 | ADFENO | Anyways... Here is a workaround for muted .AVI files. :D |
| 01:29.48 | Diopter | MouseTheLuckyDog: afaik, it is not. |
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| 01:30.23 | johnfg | hey guys |
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| 01:33.41 | adrakoa | hi all |
| 01:33.49 | Diopter | ohai |
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| 01:36.41 | boston8372 | lik me |
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| 01:45.45 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one .... any way i can get XFCE 4.8 on stable ? |
| 01:46.24 | Poopermex | CHIMPOUT OWNS FREENODE |
| 01:46.26 | gnarface | dpkg, tell cobra-the-joker about backports |
| 01:46.31 | Poopermex | JOIN US TODAY |
| 01:46.37 | Poopermex | JOIN US HERE HTTP://WWW.CHIMPOUT.COM/FORUM |
| 01:46.54 | Poopermex | THAT IS RIGHT! THE WORLD'S PREMIER NIGGERHATING FORUM IS HERE http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 01:46.58 | Poopermex | Join us today! |
| 01:47.04 | Poopermex | We are NOT white supremacists! |
| 01:47.07 | Poopermex | I myself am a Mexican! |
| 01:47.20 | gnarface | !ops Poopermex spamming, racism, all-caps |
| 01:47.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnarface complains about: Poopermex spamming, racism, all-caps |
| 01:47.23 | Poopermex | Basically, if you are not a NIGGER and you hate NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms! |
| 01:47.23 | lusers | Go away, Poopermex. :( |
| 01:47.27 | Poopermex | Join our forum today! |
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| 01:47.35 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 01:47.36 | abrotman | gnarface: thanks |
| 01:47.40 | gnarface | any time |
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| 01:49.24 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I'm using aptitude in (ui/curses) , I have a list of properties of a packages, and I want to change available versions, but I can't figure out how. |
| 01:49.41 | ADFENO | Well... This is strange... I am able to play the file using Audacity... But not with other players/editors. |
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| 01:50.04 | Diopter | ADFENO: Not that strange. Audacity has lots of support for odd formats. |
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| 01:50.43 | MouseTheLuckyDog | ADFENO, you should be able to export it from audacity. |
| 01:50.53 | ADFENO | I tried to cut the audio from the track, deleting the mono track and making a new stereo one. |
| 01:50.59 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Sorry, and play the exported part. |
| 01:51.17 | sergiufreenode | poopermex, there is not such sites as chimpot |
| 01:52.01 | nsadmin | ADFENO, can you play anything on (say) vlc? |
| 01:52.48 | Diopter | ADFENO: .... so you're not just using sox why? |
| 01:52.50 | ADFENO | I can actually play .OGG/.OGV files, I will test playing a .MP3 file. |
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| 01:53.06 | sergiufreenode | Hi niggers |
| 01:53.07 | abrotman | sergiufreenode: stop |
| 01:53.15 | dvs | just ban em |
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| 01:53.37 | abrotman | won't even ask about that |
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| 01:54.25 | nsadmin | had his !ops almost ready too :P |
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| 01:58.35 | ADFENO | VLC plays .MP3 files well. |
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| 01:59.21 | nsadmin | ah, ok |
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| 02:00.02 | gnarface | ADFENO: it is equally as likely that the problem is a bug in your current version of VLC as it is that the hardware in question is creating broken/non-standard files which Audacious happens to either not notice or have a built-in workaround for |
| 02:00.15 | gnarface | ADFENO: see what mplayer and xine think of the thing |
| 02:00.23 | gnarface | ADFENO: and i was serious about ffmpeg |
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| 02:02.50 | ADFENO | I think the problem might be the 11025 Hz of the .AVI files... I tried chaning it to 44100 Hz, but the time also changes. :D |
| 02:03.08 | gnarface | how did you try changing it, exactly? |
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| 02:03.34 | gnarface | ADFENO: you'd want to change that during transcoding, not playback |
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| 02:03.53 | gnarface | ADFENO: vlc does have built-in on-the-fly transcoding features but they're buggy as all fuck |
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| 02:04.12 | ADFENO | Hm... I happen to have an idea now. |
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| 02:04.33 | ADFENO | (Sorry... I am not a native American) :D |
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| 02:09.15 | ADFENO | Strange... Totem plays it. :D |
| 02:10.23 | gnarface | ADFENO: narrowing in on a VLC bug then. how come its so hard to get you to try the programs i'm actually suggesting? |
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| 02:11.17 | ADFENO | Sorry for my blindness... I am so familiar with VLC, I thought it could play everything. :D |
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| 02:13.06 | ADFENO | Thank you very much, I will keep a note of this bug, so that I can tell others how ti circunvent it. |
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| 02:13.35 | ADFENO | But now I lost the whole night (11:13 PM here). |
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| 02:13.49 | KlineMeNow | Are you sick of niggers? |
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| 02:13.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.223.113.68] by abrotman |
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| 02:14.05 | abrotman | ugh .. screw it |
| 02:14.13 | ADFENO | Me? No, I have nothing against niggers. |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | stop |
| 02:14.56 | johnfg | Hey guys, I'm running squeeze on this laptop, and would like to go to testing. Any special caveats? |
| 02:15.11 | abrotman | johnfg: yeah, stuff breaks sometimes |
| 02:15.13 | ADFENO | Sorry Abrotman, I was just answering his question. |
| 02:15.47 | abrotman | ADFENO: please don't |
| 02:15.51 | ADFENO | * his (KlineMeNow). :D |
| 02:16.14 | johnfg | ADFENO, pretty poor excuse to use the language back. |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | end of discussion, thanks |
| 02:16.55 | ADFENO | Agree... Sorry twice. |
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| 02:17.24 | ADFENO | Now I must get going, bedtime here. |
| 02:17.27 | johnfg | abrotman, I tried /msg dpkg squeeze > testing, but got nothing. got another suqgestion? |
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| 02:17.59 | cardamon | What would determine how often X sleeps the display? I don't have a gnomeshell or anything. |
| 02:18.08 | peterrooney | !squeeze->testing |
| 02:18.27 | s3phir0th115 | If you're one of the ones in charge abrotman, did you see my suggestion to add the new Debian Administrators handbook to the motd? |
| 02:18.33 | abrotman | johnfg: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: too long, perhaps add it to the wiki about docs/books ? |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: we barely have enough space for the stuff we have up there |
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| 02:19.43 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, understood |
| 02:19.46 | johnfg | s3phir0th115, I'm interested. Where's it at? |
| 02:19.53 | nsadmin | isn't it just a link? |
| 02:20.10 | optraz | i want to send email from local pc to mail server (example, gmail) do i need to setup mx domain? |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | nsadmin: just a link .. how many characters do you think that would take |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:20.14 | s3phir0th115 | http://debian-handbook.info/blog/ |
| 02:20.16 | nsadmin | put it in the faq :) |
| 02:20.37 | nsadmin | you know, |
| 02:20.42 | nsadmin | the one in the /topic :) |
| 02:20.53 | s3phir0th115 | It was released last Thursday. And from my readin gso far it's very comprehensive. |
| 02:21.11 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: it's been mentioned in many places .. including the Debian News IIRC |
| 02:21.12 | s3phir0th115 | I figured it'd be ideal to add to the help material people are presented with. |
| 02:21.39 | nsadmin | !dag |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | jesus ... |
| 02:21.51 | nsadmin | that could be ambiguous anyway |
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| 02:22.57 | s3phir0th115 | I'm kinda surprised it's not on the Debian news page. |
| 02:23.02 | s3phir0th115 | It really outta be |
| 02:23.04 | nsadmin | s3phir0th115, truthfully, when people first run debian and click on support, they get irc.oftc.net (an alias to that is irc.debian.org) |
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| 02:23.25 | confusid | I'm using tmux.. Question is.. When I enter into tmux it is small then the rest of the screen I had threw ssh has little .'s all over.. Is there a max size tmux can do? |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: which News page? |
| 02:23.43 | s3phir0th115 | On the debian.org mainpage |
| 02:23.49 | s3phir0th115 | You'd think it'd be mentioned, but it hasn't been. |
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| 02:24.23 | nsadmin | s3phir0th115, for that, you need to find the folks who maintain that |
| 02:24.27 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: have you submitted the news article? those articles are user supplied |
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| 02:25.13 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: and they're roughly bi-weekly, so i'd guess it will be there this week |
| 02:25.19 | abrotman | oh wait .. that was today |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: http://wiki.debian.org/ProjectNews/HowToContribute |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: enjoy! |
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| 02:26.21 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, sent them a mail |
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| 02:27.17 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, very good. Thanks |
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| 02:27.43 | optraz | i want to send email from local pc to mail server (example, gmail) do i need to setup mx domain? |
| 02:27.44 | N1ggerh8er | Are you tired of niggers? |
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| 02:27.47 | N1ggerh8er | Sick of theirm onkeyshines? |
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| 02:28.49 | abrotman | be nice if they're going to offer it if they had a better way to manage it |
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| 02:30.36 | MouseTheLuckyDog | How can I find the place where a package is to be downloaded from? |
| 02:31.20 | abrotman | apt-get --print-uris |
| 02:31.29 | nsadmin | MouseTheLuckyDog, usually it comes from one of your sources |
| 02:31.48 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Thanks abrotman |
| 02:32.15 | Diopter | Or apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 02:33.19 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: hey, you there? Remember the question I asked a couple of days ago about oom killer? |
| 02:35.39 | nsadmin | mefistofeles, you should just repeat the question |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | mefistofeles: you might do better to ask a general question .. he may see it later |
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| 02:40.10 | s3phir0th115 | So, forgive me if I'm being too nosey, but I'm rather curious. Why is it that many channels on freenode have the real ops blending in with the rest of the users, often with bots as the ops that are always shown? |
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| 02:41.01 | abrotman | i'm not a bot! |
| 02:41.20 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: some tasks can be automated .. as for being a chanop, generally they were users first |
| 02:41.23 | s3phir0th115 | I know you're not, I mean like debhelper and such |
| 02:41.30 | rainfyre | abrotman: oh, you know you are |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | :( |
| 02:41.45 | rainfyre | abrotman: all the bots say that |
| 02:41.47 | s3phir0th115 | Why not keep op on all the time, instead of selectively enabling it? |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | my mom said i can be a real boy if i'm good :) |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: freenode doesn't like that |
| 02:42.04 | rainfyre | heh |
| 02:42.25 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, interesting. |
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| 02:42.48 | abrotman | s3phir0th115: see freenode.net .. they talk about it somewhere |
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| 02:43.14 | s3phir0th115 | Yeah, I just googled it some |
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| 02:43.37 | s3phir0th115 | I find it interesting because it's one of the few networks I know that operates that way |
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| 02:44.13 | indicator | abrotman, it happened "kernel:[ 9128.217269] Disabling IRQ #17" |
| 02:44.16 | indicator | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/168869/ |
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| 02:44.54 | nsadmin | that's due to the irq responder not able to find something to respond to |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | indicator: your wifi issue you mean ? |
| 02:45.15 | indicator | yes |
| 02:45.28 | abrotman | took much longer though ? |
| 02:45.44 | nsadmin | then it shuts the irq down, and for example that could have the effect of putting the disk I/O on polling which slows things down by a factor of 100 |
| 02:46.15 | indicator | abrotman, yeah |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | indicator: maybe a freak thing .. i'd wait to see if it happens agian |
| 02:46.45 | indicator | it will... |
| 02:46.49 | indicator | it continues to do so |
| 02:46.51 | mefistofeles | nsadmin: abrotman yeah, thanks, I just wanted to tell him that I found the reason :P |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | indicator: can you change any of the parameters in the BIOS and/or kernel module ? |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | mefistofeles: you can tell him here! .. he'll see it eventually, or use msgserv |
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| 02:47.18 | mefistofeles | still, if anyone find it helpful, I found a good article on oom killer |
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| 02:47.20 | mefistofeles | http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ |
| 02:47.26 | kephra | whats the best way to downgrade fontconfig? |
| 02:47.27 | mefistofeles | dondelelcaro: http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ |
| 02:47.34 | kephra | on wheezy |
| 02:47.39 | indicator | abrotman, to what? I cannot think of any reason why I would need to mess with them being that I had never had to in the past |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | mefistofeles: that's an older, and great, article |
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| 02:47.49 | indicator | nsadmin, can you think of any direct causes? |
| 02:48.11 | mefistofeles | abrotman: now I have to find out how to make it automatic |
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| 02:50.23 | abrotman | mefistofeles: it's already supposed to be ? |
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| 02:50.58 | trysten | make: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found |
| 02:51.02 | trysten | what does it mean?! |
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| 02:51.28 | abrotman | it means that command isn't found |
| 02:51.32 | Diopter | trysten: Means you're trying to cross-compile, apparently, and are missing the cross-compiler specified in your makefile |
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| 02:51.37 | n-iCe | I have a problem I downloaded testing, and used unetbootin to make it bootable, but when I try to boot says, missing operating system and debian stable keeps booting, instead the one in the usb, any idea? can unetbootin doing it wrong? never happened this before, tried with two .iso's already |
| 02:51.49 | mefistofeles | abrotman: no, woudln't you have to manually mount cgroup "stuff" and configure it with the PID and such? As the article suggests |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | ranix: see what you started! |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | mefistofeles: ISTR that's a rather long article that covers a few things .. ? |
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| 02:53.21 | trysten | Diopter: where do i get cross compier binaries? |
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| 02:53.50 | nsadmin | indicator, no... but, in my case there was something I could do, which was turning on irqpoll in the kernel... I guess because the hardware was slightly broken, it couldn't connect which interrupt it was with the driver... so irqpoll tries to find what irqs should go with what drivers, so that fixed my situation right up |
| 02:54.12 | mefistofeles | abrotman: what's ISTR? (sorry my bad english) |
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| 02:54.42 | mefistofeles | abrotman: but yeah, the oom killer works automatically, the problem is "taming" it with cgroups |
| 02:54.45 | nsadmin | maybe irqpoll is worth a shot |
| 02:54.50 | indicator | nsadmin,irqpolling isn't enabled in the kernel by default? |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | mefistofeles: I Seem To Recall |
| 02:55.08 | nsadmin | nope, I guess it assumes good hardware |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | mefistofeles: ah okay, you want to tune it because standard workings aren't good for your situation .. got it |
| 02:55.42 | indicator | nsadmin, do you think my wireless chip has somehow become damaged? :( |
| 02:55.43 | Diopter | trysten: Don't know offhand, haven't cross-compiled on Debian |
| 02:56.04 | nsadmin | no |
| 02:56.18 | nsadmin | I don't think it's been changed like that |
| 02:56.53 | mefistofeles | abrotman: yeah, the problem is that I have a peice of softwre that could run for weeks, because of that it gets a oom_adj value of -17, eventually this process could consume quite a lot of RAM but oom wont kill it because of the oom_adj value |
| 02:56.58 | mefistofeles | *piece |
| 02:57.15 | kephra | when forcing fontconfig 2.8 back into system, i can not put those packages on hold - is there a command line tool to force a package on hold? |
| 02:57.29 | abrotman | !tell kephra about hold |
| 02:57.35 | indicator | nsadmin, the problem is just so sudden. So turning on irqpoll should aid in finding which interrupt requests point to which drivers? |
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| 02:57.46 | abrotman | mefistofeles: memory leak? or by design? |
| 02:57.52 | mefistofeles | abrotman: somebody told me I could change the vm.overcommit_ratio to 80 for better results, haven't tried that one yet... not really sure where to do it permanently |
| 02:58.05 | mefistofeles | abrotman: it's a scientific software, so... it happens heh |
| 02:58.22 | kephra | *ah* dpkg -set-selection, thanks abrotman |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | yay .. i think :) |
| 02:58.23 | nsadmin | indicator, sorry but I'm only saying it's worth a try (and for wireless cards, make sure you have the right firmware) |
| 02:59.07 | nsadmin | it should aid in that area, yes |
| 02:59.50 | indicator | nsadmin, It is worth a try. I just hope my hardware is not damaged. Anyhow, is there a linux source package in the repository or should I go vanilla? |
| 02:59.53 | kephra | abrotman, is there a way to automatically downgrade all packages who require fontconfig 2.9 to a package that require fontconfig 2.8? |
| 03:00.27 | indicator | linux-source-3.2? |
| 03:00.35 | nsadmin | indicator, what has you thinking it might be damaged? |
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| 03:01.28 | indicator | nsadmin, mainly because I had been using my netbook for months, hadn't updated or messed with anything core to the functionality of the system, and suddenly, I have odd issues like this |
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| 03:01.39 | indicator | That's all, haven't much of a postulate yet |
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| 03:01.48 | nsadmin | normally, to turn irqpoll on, you just feed the token irqpoll to the kernel command line |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | kephra: not that i'm aware of .. aptitude might be of some help .. but generally, downgrade isn't supported, and really not if the packages don't exist anymore in the repo |
| 03:03.26 | nsadmin | if you're running grub, look in /boot/grub/grub.conf and /etc/default/grub |
| 03:03.43 | nsadmin | the second link, not sure the exact name |
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| 03:04.16 | kephra | abrotman, *hm* thats the main drawback of Debian (compared to Gentoo) |
| 03:04.36 | indicator | nsadmin, I will sniff around and see what I can find. Do you think it's actually built into the kernel and disabled? If that's the case, should I not go and rebuild my kernel? |
| 03:04.40 | kephra | especially if a package breaks a mission crititical application |
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| 03:06.24 | shade34321 | How do I enable perl with apache, the a2enmod script doesn't seem to be able to find though it's installed |
| 03:09.16 | kephra | or is there a way to patch debian dependencies, e.g. blender requires fontconfig 2.9 - but works with fontconfig 2.8 also |
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| 03:12.31 | gnarface | kephra: 1) i suspect it matters more than you think 2) sure just make your own custom package |
| 03:12.40 | nsadmin | shade34321 I guess first you make sure mod_perl is installed |
| 03:12.56 | nsadmin | or do you want perl as a cgi language? |
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| 03:13.29 | shade34321 | apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 says it's at the newest version, I'm trying to get gitolite working with smart http so I'm assuming the latter but I think I got it |
| 03:13.31 | gnarface | cgi == slower, worse security inherently, more complicated to work with... WHY, juST WHY? |
| 03:13.58 | nsadmin | shade34321, what's gitolite? |
| 03:14.19 | gnarface | *cgi and pptp are on my list of "just don't" things |
| 03:14.21 | kephra | gnarface, so your suggestion is to compile fontconfig 2.8 myself and call it 3.0? |
| 03:14.41 | hstefan | I just downloaded a virtual machine from boinc project, and since it had etch I tried to upgrade to squeeze. Turns out that I managed to break dpkg (it says libc.so.6 was not found). Is there anything that I can do? |
| 03:15.11 | nsadmin | well aolserver and tcl has avoided cgi since like 1996 or thereabouts |
| 03:15.29 | kephra | the alternate would be to install fontconfig 2.9 - put it on hold - and just unpack the fontconfig 2.8 over it |
| 03:15.36 | gnarface | kephra: no, my suggestion is to just figure out what features of blender you overlooked require fontconfig 2.9, but i also mentioned in an off-handed sortof way that if you compile your own *blender* package you can set the requirements to whatever the hell you like, even stuff that is nonsensical or broken |
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| 03:15.48 | kephra | well - Gentoo has a much cleaner approach when it comes to such problems |
| 03:16.13 | gnarface | kephra: i will agree with you on that point too bad it comes at the inherent cost of being horrible in every other possible respect |
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| 03:17.08 | kephra | gnarface, I tried Gentoo for year and went back to Debian, because of Gentoo maintenance - now this one bug might drive me back to Gentoo |
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| 03:17.14 | gnarface | kephra: chances are if your blender package requires fontconfig 2.9 they had a good reason for it. also... what debian is this that you're even having this problem? blender just installs and works for me. did you start out with a bastardized fontconfig or what? |
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| 03:17.48 | gnarface | kephra: master carpenters never blame their tools. |
| 03:17.51 | kephra | gnarface, I upgraded my wheezy today - and Secondlife client broke - the reason is well known : fontconfig 2.9 is broken |
| 03:17.59 | gnarface | fuck second life |
| 03:18.00 | gnarface | not made here |
| 03:18.06 | gnarface | . |
| 03:18.38 | gnarface | oh shit sorry what i meant to say is ... maybe you should consult THEIR support channels? |
| 03:18.43 | kephra | gnarface, for me its mission critial, as its paying a good part of my bill |
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| 03:19.51 | gnarface | kephra: regardless of second life being broken or having insane/broken dependencies, there ARE relatively easy ways to deal with this in debian, the hard part is just the quest you must now go on for the documentation you require. |
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| 03:21.03 | gnarface | kephra: also most people in this channel fyi will more or less stop caring at "... upgraded wheezy..." "... broke..." "waaaaaah!" |
| 03:21.23 | gnarface | kephra: you were undoubtedly warned about wheezy or at least should have been. |
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| 03:22.01 | kephra | gnarface, wheezy is required by my graphic card - and yes - i tried with a mixed (squeeze + backport) before - this was a pain in the ass |
| 03:22.12 | gnarface | kephra: which graphic card was that? |
| 03:22.27 | kephra | nvidia 450 |
| 03:22.34 | gnarface | snort |
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| 03:23.18 | gnarface | dpkg, wheezy? |
| 03:23.18 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 03:23.26 | gnarface | dpkg, testing? |
| 03:23.26 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 03:23.49 | indicator | nsadmin, alright, I have enabled irqpoll |
| 03:24.04 | indicator | not certain that it's active or anything though |
| 03:24.10 | nsadmin | did that have any effect? |
| 03:24.16 | indicator | I cannot tell |
| 03:24.19 | kephra | gnarface, so this basically tells: dont use debian, with hardware newer than 2 years |
| 03:24.20 | gnarface | kephra: did you catch the part about 1) know debian already 2) expect a bumpy ride 3) don't fucking use this for anything that is mission critical? |
| 03:24.27 | indicator | I'll know if my wifi stops working |
| 03:24.40 | nsadmin | ok, do you get shutting down irq 17? |
| 03:24.51 | gnarface | kephra: you can interpret it like that but really it just means you need to know debian AND your hardware better than you already do. |
| 03:24.52 | nsadmin | so your wifi is working? |
| 03:24.52 | indicator | Not yet |
| 03:24.57 | indicator | it happens after some time |
| 03:25.13 | nsadmin | and, it's working now? |
| 03:25.33 | indicator | Yes, it always works for a while, then it stops working, kicking the error back to me |
| 03:25.48 | gnarface | kephra: fyi there's a #debian-next channel on OFTC for testing/unstable specific issues. you might get more traction there if you can go in with a bit less of a judgemental tone |
| 03:26.15 | gnarface | kephra: word of warning "but it works in gentoo" won't be a threat that motivates *anyone* |
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| 03:26.50 | nsadmin | indicator, so consistancy remains to be seen... |
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| 03:27.56 | gnarface | kephra: i'm still boggling at the part about how you're not blaming this on second life's jacked up greedware client |
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| 03:30.02 | cardamon | kephra: I have a newer nvidia card than that which worked just fine in squeeze. |
| 03:30.33 | kephra | cardamon, this might be because the PCI number of your card is old enough for the driver in squeeze |
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| 03:33.40 | amoxibos | i want to remove all files in a given direcotry hidden or unhidden |
| 03:33.56 | amoxibos | rm -R /pat/to/dir ? |
| 03:34.54 | Diopter | About the size of it |
| 03:35.18 | karlpinc | amoxibos: That'll remove the directory too. |
| 03:35.36 | cardamon | Hmm, Perhaps I lied, but I blame that on nvidia's lack of a sensible series sequencing. Hard to say though. From the specs the chief difference I see is more cores, SLI, and it takes up 2 slots while mine takes up one. |
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| 03:36.09 | amoxibos | yea i want to remove dir itself and everything in it |
| 03:36.09 | cardamon | But either way no production date. |
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| 03:36.27 | gnarface | suspects kephra's diagnosis of the problem is as inaccurate as his ideal view of how it should be fixed |
| 03:37.37 | cardamon | gnarface: I'm not up on it, but since it's nvidia related, I'm guessing free/non-free features somewhere in his confusion. |
| 03:38.01 | gnarface | also lacks much sympathy for someone who "needs" wheezy to pay bills but does updates without first doing a full backup |
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| 03:38.46 | gnarface | isn't really a good person |
| 03:39.12 | cardamon | Compared to me? you're a saint. |
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| 03:42.00 | cardamon | Oh hah. |
| 03:42.04 | cardamon | I scrolled up. |
| 03:42.07 | cardamon | I needed a laugh. |
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| 03:43.32 | indicator | nsadmin, my system became very unstable after that |
| 03:43.41 | indicator | had to reboot |
| 03:43.48 | indicator | wireless stopped working however |
| 03:44.40 | indicator | I keep going into my bios to find my date/time set at some odd time and wireless disabled. I set it and boot into linux and the reboot and it's back to what I just set it from |
| 03:44.56 | indicator | what's playing with my bios? o_O |
| 03:45.22 | cardamon | indicator: Your CMOS battery is dying/dead probably. |
| 03:45.51 | indicator | I've NEVER had this happen to me o_o |
| 03:46.16 | cardamon | Doesn't mean it cannot happen. |
| 03:46.29 | indicator | even if so, I reset everything many times, went to grub, hit alt+ctrl+delete, powered off, check bios, everything was fine |
| 03:46.41 | indicator | seems AFTER I boot into linux, this happens |
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| 04:03.00 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 04:03.51 | n-iCe | huge problem, I installed testing like u guys told me, but no desktop was installed nothing was installed |
| 04:04.26 | n-iCe | I'm installing from a usb I want to install wireless-tools but I can't because sources.list is pointing to a cdrom how can I make it to point to the usb? |
| 04:05.20 | n-iCe | The usb is mounted in /mnt/nice |
| 04:06.13 | Diopter | n-iCe: n-iCe Do you have a debian repository on the USB? If not... probably easiest to just dpkg -i /mnt/nice/<package>.deb |
| 04:06.29 | Diopter | n-iCe: Looks like wireless-tools only relies on libc6 and libiw30 |
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| 04:06.55 | n-iCe | I mean all the cd is in the usb |
| 04:07.39 | hstefan | I'm following this http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-upgrade-from-debian-etch-40-to-lenny-50.html to update etch to squeeze, but when I try to run aptitute install |
| 04:07.47 | n-iCe | There must be a way to set the usb instead cdrom |
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| 04:09.20 | Diopter | n-iCe: So find where the repository base is on the USB... and add "deb file:///mnt/nice/blah <target> main" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:09.28 | Diopter | apt-get update, apt-get install, etc |
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| 04:10.25 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 04:10.42 | n-iCe | where is it supposed to be I have the cd in the usb |
| 04:10.52 | n-iCe | can't find any package folder or sometthing |
| 04:11.07 | hstefan | I'm following this http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-upgrade-from-debian-etch-40-to-lenny-50.html to update etch to squeeze, but when I try to run "aptitute install dpkg aptitude apt" I get errors on libc-bin: "package user Breaks; not supported in this dpkg". How can I fix that? |
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| 04:12.34 | Diopter | n-iCe: I don't even know what you Have, let alone where your packages might be on it :P |
| 04:12.52 | Diopter | n-iCe: "I have the CD in the USB" could mean almost anything. We talking a .iso files? |
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| 04:14.23 | n-iCe | Yes |
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| 04:15.52 | Diopter | n-iCe: Fantastic. So now you need to mount the ISO. "mount -o loop /mnt/nice/<file>.iso /other/mount" Then point your repo line at where the packages are. Etc |
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| 04:16.56 | n-iCe | Wait I put the iso with unetbootin there is no iso anymore |
| 04:17.09 | n-iCe | I installed debian using my usb with unetbootin |
| 04:18.07 | n-iCe | I just want to install wireless-tools which must be in the usb!! |
| 04:18.09 | Diopter | ... |
| 04:18.25 | Diopter | Have you tried actually just... apt-get update && apt-get install wireless-tools? |
| 04:18.39 | n-iCe | What do you don't understand or am I not being clear? Sorry if I not but I'm in this crap blackberry trying to get an answer |
| 04:18.53 | n-iCe | of course I have tried! Iot point to the cdrom! |
| 04:19.10 | n-iCe | And says there is no cd inserted because there is no! I'm installing from a usb! |
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| 04:20.35 | n-iCe | Open ur sources list and you will see deb cdrom:[debian gnu/linux etc... |
| 04:20.39 | Diopter | Then like I said, find the repository on the USB stick |
| 04:20.49 | Diopter | And add a deb file:/// entry |
| 04:21.08 | n-iCe | I'm sure what I need to change is the cdrom but I have tried with the /dev/sdb1 where the usb is or where I mounted it /mnt/nice with no success |
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| 04:21.40 | n-iCe | Find the repo? |
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| 04:22.08 | Diopter | Yes. Using "ls" and "cd" and other assorted tools. Look around. Read the things on the screen. |
| 04:22.41 | Diopter | Probably directories like "dists" and "pool", which are often under a directory called "debian" |
| 04:22.50 | n-iCe | what are the wireless-tools dependencies you said? |
| 04:22.51 | Diopter | Which is where you'd point your file:/// URI at |
| 04:23.02 | Diopter | libc6, libiw30. At least on testing. |
| 04:23.02 | cardamon | "df" is a good one for finding things that are mounted |
| 04:23.14 | Diopter | cardamon: They know the mountpoint already, apparently. "/mnt/nice" |
| 04:23.47 | n-iCe | I'm in pool main |
| 04:23.56 | n-iCe | I see all thwe packages I see wireless_tools |
| 04:24.03 | n-iCe | but error trying to instasll |
| 04:24.09 | n-iCe | can't find the dependencies |
| 04:25.09 | proteus4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.09 | proteus4 | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1) |
| 04:25.52 | Diopter | n-iCe: Have you tried "find"? |
| 04:26.28 | n-iCe | find libc6* ? |
| 04:26.42 | n-iCe | says no such directory |
| 04:27.24 | Diopter | n-iCe: find /mnt/nice -name libc6 |
| 04:27.35 | Diopter | "man find" is handy. If a bit verbose |
| 04:27.59 | n-iCe | that did not give any ouput |
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| 04:30.11 | n-iCe | I think I did it |
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| 04:30.23 | craigevil | at this point it would probably just be quicker to download the packages from packages.debian.org, would already have them installed |
| 04:30.39 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 04:31.43 | n-iCe | ok |
| 04:31.51 | n-iCe | iwconfig works |
| 04:31.55 | n-iCe | io used iwconfoig wlan0 essid and key |
| 04:32.04 | n-iCe | how do I get automatically the ip? |
| 04:32.09 | n-iCe | dhcp? |
| 04:32.10 | Diopter | n-iCe: Is your network WEP? |
| 04:32.14 | n-iCe | what's the command? |
| 04:32.18 | n-iCe | yes wep |
| 04:32.19 | Diopter | dhclient wlan0 |
| 04:32.32 | n-iCe | let's seee |
| 04:32.38 | n-iCe | still no answeeeer |
| 04:32.42 | n-iCe | :D |
| 04:32.57 | n-iCe | but the card led is lightining |
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| 04:33.10 | n-iCe | don't now if it got stuck |
| 04:33.11 | aill | hi how can i show full permissions for a directory but HIDE the owner/group info? ls -lA works but shows root root (which i want to hide): drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4096 Aug 24 2011 myfolder |
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| 04:34.33 | somiaj | aill: you may have to run it though a script and strip out the owner/group |
| 04:35.12 | aill | yeah thanks... lol |
| 04:35.22 | aill | how please im a noob |
| 04:35.33 | Diopter | Actually, no... |
| 04:35.40 | Diopter | ls -lgo |
| 04:35.40 | n-iCe | I have interneeeet |
| 04:35.44 | Diopter | n-iCe: Grats! |
| 04:35.51 | n-iCe | what should I do know?! |
| 04:35.55 | aill | is here a max limit to the length of a group or username? |
| 04:35.58 | n-iCe | installa. Desktop? |
| 04:36.00 | Diopter | aill: ls -lgo |
| 04:36.10 | aill | so i know after position X on each line ... the file data starts |
| 04:36.26 | aill | u legend |
| 04:36.27 | aill | thank u |
| 04:36.41 | Diopter | Sure thing. Also... man pages. Info pages. Glorious documentations |
| 04:36.45 | n-iCe | how do I install a desktop? And what desktop do you recommend? |
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| 04:37.40 | craigevil | depends on the hardware. HD space, cpu, amount of ram |
| 04:37.43 | Diopter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.13 | n-iCe | how do I install gnome |
| 04:38.33 | craigevil | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 04:38.50 | n-iCe | package not found?! |
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| 04:38.57 | aill | i checked the ls man page but missed it |
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| 04:39.12 | craigevil | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. |
| 04:39.13 | Diopter | aill: Try searching :) |
| 04:39.25 | aill | how do u search man pages? |
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| 04:39.31 | Diopter | aill: If you don't know how, learn! Knowing how to find help is the most important skill you can have |
| 04:39.50 | craigevil | n-iCe, if you didnt have internet when you installed you most likely need to edit your sources.list |
| 04:39.55 | n-iCe | I thing I need to add repos to sources.lists |
| 04:40.07 | aill | i google'd it nothing came up, i didnt check the man page on the net i relied on man ls which i wasnt aware u could search, i guess so with grep |
| 04:40.10 | Diopter | aill: Depends on your default 'pager'. By default, it will be "less" |
| 04:40.13 | n-iCe | Yes, but how? Is there a way to do it automatically and add them? |
| 04:40.25 | Diopter | aill: Which uses mostly vi bindings, and thus '/' starts a search |
| 04:40.40 | craigevil | n-iCe, as root do nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:40.44 | n-iCe | something like reconfigure sources |
| 04:40.57 | n-iCe | craig I'm there |
| 04:40.59 | n-iCe | But no idea what to add |
| 04:41.02 | craigevil | n-iCe, nope gotta manually edit |
| 04:41.21 | n-iCe | Can you give me the ones to add? |
| 04:41.27 | craigevil | n-iCe, do you have a pc that browse the net? |
| 04:41.32 | Diopter | n-iCe: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian <target> main |
| 04:41.42 | Diopter | n-iCe: For some value of <target>, depending on if you're using squeeze, wheezy, etc |
| 04:41.51 | n-iCe | no I don't have just my phone |
| 04:41.59 | n-iCe | I'm using testing wheezy |
| 04:42.11 | n-iCe | I have two there wheezy/updates main |
| 04:42.41 | Diopter | Then you don't need to do much. apt-get update, apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment. Or run 'tasksel', and pick desktop environment. |
| 04:43.00 | Diopter | aill: You can also type "man man" |
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| 04:44.00 | craigevil | n-iCe, ok all your really need is deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 04:44.14 | n-iCe | But I have no repois to install |
| 04:44.31 | Diopter | craigevil: If n-iCe wants non-free things, that is. |
| 04:44.38 | Diopter | They're not required for the core desktop. |
| 04:44.46 | hstefan | I'm following this http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-upgrade-from-debian-etch-40-to-lenny-50.html to update etch to squeeze, but when I try to run "aptitute install dpkg aptitude apt" I get errors on libc-bin: "package user Breaks; not supported in this dpkg". How can I fix that? |
| 04:45.00 | craigevil | no but it doesnt hurt to have it there |
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| 04:45.17 | craigevil | n-iCe, you just need the one line, apt-get update, apt-get install gnome |
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| 04:45.39 | n-iCe | ok |
| 04:45.42 | n-iCe | updating |
| 04:45.52 | n-iCe | it is for 64 bits right? |
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| 04:46.09 | craigevil | n-iCe, same repo for either i686 or amd64 |
| 04:46.27 | n-iCe | Wow 900MB |
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| 04:46.37 | Diopter | Welcome to Gnome. |
| 04:46.55 | aill | i have seen -rw-r--r-- 1 and -rw-r--r-- 2 and -rw-r--r-- 3 what are those digits when doing an LS ? |
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| 04:47.06 | n-iCe | u use gnome? |
| 04:47.16 | n-iCe | what about xfce what do you guys think |
| 04:47.19 | craigevil | you could always install something lighter to begin with like lxde, then install gnome once you have a GUI |
| 04:47.26 | craigevil | or yeah xfce |
| 04:47.50 | hstefan | Or stick with xfce! |
| 04:47.54 | n-iCe | to install it? Xfce4 ? |
| 04:48.02 | Diopter | aill: Sounds like you should read an introduction to linux in general :) |
| 04:48.03 | craigevil | lowercase but yeah |
| 04:48.09 | n-iCe | great |
| 04:48.26 | n-iCe | 176MB huge difference |
| 04:48.42 | n-iCe | installing will take 14m io want a desktoooop |
| 04:49.03 | n-iCe | thanks you guys |
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| 04:49.26 | hstefan | You could install openbox, if you're that short on time |
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| 04:49.55 | somiaj | aill: "The second column is the number of links to the file i.e., (more or less) the number of names there are for the file. Generally an ordinary file will only have one link, but a directory will have more, because you can refer to it as ``dirname'', ``dirname/.'' where the dot means ``current directory'', and if it has a subdirectory named ``subdir'', ``dirname/subdir/..'' (the ``..'' means ``parent directory'')." |
| 04:50.26 | aill | why would a file have say 10 links? i just saw 1 |
| 04:50.32 | somiaj | directories |
| 04:50.35 | aill | i mean just saw a file with 10... |
| 04:50.45 | somiaj | symbolic linkns, hard links, etc |
| 04:50.48 | aill | oh, it is a directory you are right... |
| 04:50.50 | craigevil | n-iCe, if you ever need to redo your sources.list take a look at https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home |
| 04:50.59 | aill | is ther a way with the LS command to hide that info? |
| 04:51.00 | n-iCe | well I'm installoiong xfce already neve heard openbox before |
| 04:51.11 | somiaj | aill: mostly becaluse foo/ and foo/. are the same thing |
| 04:51.17 | n-iCe | what would the difference be? |
| 04:51.22 | craigevil | openbox is a lightweight window manager |
| 04:51.28 | Diopter | aill: Possibly. But... you seem like you're trying to hide all kinds of things. Why don't you just tell us what you want to Show |
| 04:51.32 | Diopter | craigevil: I disagree wholeheartedly! |
| 04:51.38 | Diopter | xmonad is much lighter than xfce, for instance |
| 04:52.00 | n-iCe | well I have a reat laptop core 2 duo 4 gb ram 320gb hd |
| 04:52.09 | craigevil | gnome/kde/xfce/lxde are desktop managers that come with a ton of apps |
| 04:52.10 | n-iCe | thin xfce will be ok, don't u think? |
| 04:52.29 | aill | i want to show lines like this: drwxr--xr--r 123456 filenameHere |
| 04:52.30 | n-iCe | xmonad?! |
| 04:52.39 | craigevil | n-iCe, hehe im running kde4 on an ancient thinkpad with a 1.3 pentium M |
| 04:52.46 | n-iCe | can I uninstall xfce4 in a future and change it? |
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| 04:53.25 | hstefan | Guys, I'm trying to upgrade from etch to squeeze but I'm stuck with dpkg saying it doesn't support "Breaks". I thought that maybe I could try downloading dpkg packagde from debian website, but I tried that before (another machine) and I ended up with a useless dpkg, unable to to anything because it couldn't find glibc.6.so. |
| 04:53.28 | n-iCe | how lighter is xfce over gnome? Because at least in mb I saw a huge difference |
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| 04:55.37 | hstefan | n-iCe: how do I measure how much lighter it is? haha |
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| 04:56.35 | craigevil | n-iCe, gnome and kde tend to have more services/processes running than xfce, plus they have way more packages/apps |
| 04:56.42 | hstefan | Guys, any idea with my issue? |
| 04:56.59 | craigevil | although gnome2 isnt much heavier than xfce |
| 04:57.04 | n-iCe | So I won't be able to use all the packages that gnome uses in xfce? |
| 04:57.35 | craigevil | hstefan, your best bet would be to go etch>lenny>squeeze, although it would probably be quicker to just install squeeze |
| 04:57.55 | craigevil | n-iCe, yes you can use gnome apps/ kde apps etc in any desktop or window manager |
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| 04:58.24 | hstefan | craigevil: yeah, but aren't lenny mirrors off? |
| 04:58.32 | n-iCe | ah |
| 04:58.33 | n-iCe | ok |
| 04:58.42 | craigevil | !archive |
| 04:58.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 04:58.46 | craigevil | crap |
| 04:58.56 | craigevil | hstefan, use archive.debian.org |
| 04:59.09 | n-iCe | well xfce is being installed |
| 04:59.17 | n-iCe | I will check other desktops later |
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| 05:00.47 | hstefan | n-iCe: if you want, arch linux wiki has a list of WM/DM https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Manager https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Window_Manager |
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| 05:01.11 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 05:01.27 | n-iCe | you know the lighter desktop environment available? |
| 05:01.28 | kephra | is it possible to tell a version number in a Provides: line? (to satisfy a Depends: line, that requires a specific version? |
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| 05:01.52 | craigevil | !equivs |
| 05:01.52 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 05:02.03 | hstefan | craigevil: sorry about the dumb question, but I'm relly new to debian. How could I upgrade using archis.debian.org? |
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| 05:02.48 | cardamon | This is weird. Youtube is blue. |
| 05:03.03 | kephra | craigevil, exactly - i need this for equivs |
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| 05:03.24 | aill | anyone know how to remove the 1 from ls output: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8327 Aug 24 2005 Config.inc |
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| 05:04.47 | craigevil | hstefan, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 05:05.09 | metaphysician | can someone confirm if ftp.jp.debian.org and ftp.jaist.ac.jp resolve to same ip address? |
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| 05:05.27 | kbar | ftp.jp.debian.org is an alias for cdn.debian.or.jp. |
| 05:05.27 | kbar | cdn.debian.or.jp is an alias for jp.cdn.araki.net. |
| 05:05.28 | kbar | jp.cdn.araki.net has address 150.65.7.130 |
| 05:05.57 | kbar | can't find the second domain name |
| 05:06.08 | kbar | wait |
| 05:06.10 | kbar | nvm typo |
| 05:06.11 | craigevil | ftp.jaist.ac.jp has address 150.65.7.130 |
| 05:06.11 | n-iCe | 1 minute left for the downloads |
| 05:06.16 | craigevil | same ip |
| 05:06.19 | kbar | ya same ip |
| 05:06.30 | kbar | wat download |
| 05:06.44 | metaphysician | then why does their mirro status differ? http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
| 05:06.49 | craigevil | although the second one seems to have ipv6, ftp.jaist.ac.jp has IPv6 address 2001:200:141:feed::feed |
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| 05:08.26 | craigevil | metaphysician, do host ftp.jp.debian.org , host ftp.jaist.ac.jp , that will show you the ip addresses |
| 05:09.02 | n-iCe | done |
| 05:09.12 | n-iCe | installing now, will it boot after the installation? |
| 05:09.29 | craigevil | n-iCe, just type reboot as root |
| 05:09.35 | n-iCe | ook |
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| 05:13.38 | kephra | my "Provides: libfontconfig1 (=2.9.0)" this works for equivs-build not to throw a syntax error, but I still get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: .... libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) but 2.8.0-2.1 is to be installed" |
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| 05:17.55 | n-iCe | if I used aptitude should I use always aptitude? |
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| 05:17.56 | proteus4 | no |
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| 05:17.56 | hstefan | craigevil: what should I use on that "secutity" entries? |
| 05:17.56 | hstefan | craigevil: on source.list |
| 05:17.56 | Lns | i never got used to aptitude. just always used apt-get.. although it's not like it's difficult. technically im sure you can go between the two (+dpkg) |
| 05:17.56 | n-iCe | ok booting |
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| 05:17.57 | n-iCe | xfce diod not started!? |
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| 05:18.43 | craigevil | hstefan, deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny contrib main non-free or something similar should work |
| 05:18.49 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Ever get your nic working/firmware installed? |
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| 05:19.33 | craigevil | n-iCe, installing xfce should have installed xorg, but just to be safe try doing apt-get install xorg |
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| 05:20.58 | karlpinc | craigevil: Last I looked xserver-xorg had to be installed separately. (I suppose you could have something else serving X, like, uh, xnest? ;-) |
| 05:21.53 | craigevil | kinda weird that installing a desktop wouldn't pull in xorg, but yeah the gnome factoid says to install xorg |
| 05:22.51 | hstefan | craigevil: I'm kinda confused, my current source.list has two lines in the end: "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib" and the same for deb-src. However, I get 404 with this mirrors, and archive.org/debian too. |
| 05:23.10 | hstefan | archive.debian.org/debian& |
| 05:23.12 | hstefan | * |
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| 05:23.32 | n-iCe | hello! I am in xfce! |
| 05:23.42 | n-iCe | but it does not boot automatically I need to write startx, why |
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| 05:24.07 | craigevil | hstefan, remove any other repos, try with only the archive repo, if you still get a 404 use a different mirror |
| 05:24.22 | craigevil | just follow the instructions on http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 05:24.23 | arvind_khadri | n-iCe, do you have xdm installed? |
| 05:24.30 | n-iCe | craigevil: how do I install network-manager if there is no network-manager-xfce |
| 05:24.50 | n-iCe | arvind_khadri: no, now is installed, should that be all? |
| 05:24.51 | aill | is there some way to make ls output specific width stuff? im trying to read info in and the file size makes the columns go in different spots |
| 05:24.55 | karlpinc | n-iCe: You just run network-manager-gnome and it doesn't matter you're running xfce. |
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| 05:25.12 | arvind_khadri | n-iCe, that should be all. |
| 05:25.20 | n-iCe | thanks arvind_khadri ! |
| 05:25.31 | n-iCe | what's the other desktop envirnment you were talking about guys? |
| 05:25.32 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Sure, you have a lot of extra stuff that's only needed to run network manager, but then, you need it. |
| 05:25.35 | n-iCe | lighter than lxde |
| 05:25.41 | arvind_khadri | aill, dont use ls. |
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| 05:26.23 | aill | i need to use a tool that is available everywhere |
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| 05:27.10 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Probably something like ratposion -- one of those tiling window managers. I imagine they take getting used to. |
| 05:27.28 | arvind_khadri | aill, ls is a tool for interactively looking at file information. Its output is formatted for humans and will cause bugs in scripts. Use globs or find instead. Understand why: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
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| 05:29.05 | karlpinc | aill: You could use stat, depending on what systems you're targeting. |
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| 05:30.40 | tapout | I want to get 9.2 postgresql ideally, or perhaps 9.1's latest on debian using apt but from some respository. Anyone know an official repo that carries at least 9.1 for SID? |
| 05:30.41 | n-iCe | uhm the browser in xfce does not start |
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| 05:32.18 | rootant | n-iCe: what browser? iceweasel |
| 05:32.20 | rootant | ? |
| 05:32.26 | n-iCe | well it does not say |
| 05:32.32 | rootant | run it from terminal and see what it tells |
| 05:32.55 | n-iCe | command not found |
| 05:32.55 | rootant | and you can always dl a build from the fx site and run it |
| 05:32.57 | aill | didnt even know it was possible to have new lines in files, what kind of retarded person decided to allow that... |
| 05:33.04 | aill | for file names i mean |
| 05:33.10 | rootant | n-iCe: what command? |
| 05:33.14 | rootant | what did you type? |
| 05:33.19 | n-iCe | iceweasel |
| 05:33.31 | rootant | what |
| 05:33.37 | n-iCe | that command, you told me |
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| 05:33.42 | rootant | what version of debian do you have? |
| 05:33.46 | n-iCe | testing |
| 05:33.49 | n-iCe | xfce |
| 05:33.50 | dizzylizzy | how bad of an idea would it be to try to do a dist-upgrade with strace through tor? |
| 05:33.59 | rootant | the try to install iceweasel with apt |
| 05:34.09 | n-iCe | ok |
| 05:34.18 | n-iCe | I'm installing network manager I will wait first |
| 05:34.24 | rootant | ok |
| 05:34.29 | dizzylizzy | i will keep my silliness to myself |
| 05:34.33 | rootant | s/the/then/ |
| 05:34.35 | n-iCe | xface does not have an option in mouse to enable the touch pad!?! |
| 05:34.49 | cardamon | n-iCe: What's update-alternatives --list x-www-browser say? |
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| 05:35.10 | rootant | i have stable (since few days) and it just works, dunno |
| 05:35.20 | n-iCe | says no alternatives |
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| 05:35.44 | cardamon | n-iCe: What browser do you want? |
| 05:35.57 | cardamon | my guess is you don't have one installed. |
| 05:36.13 | rootant | i use fx 12.0 on it from fx site |
| 05:36.23 | rootant | cardamon: weird as for debian |
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| 05:36.32 | rootant | unless it was installed from netinstall |
| 05:36.50 | n-iCe | Im not sure if I want xfce |
| 05:37.28 | rootant | n-iCe: did you install debian using netinstall image? |
| 05:37.34 | n-iCe | no |
| 05:37.35 | n-iCe | the testing iso |
| 05:37.39 | rootant | weird |
| 05:37.42 | n-iCe | but it did not even install a dkestop environment |
| 05:37.45 | karlpinc | tapout: Isn't there packages via pgdg/postgresg.org? |
| 05:37.51 | n-iCe | I needed to install xfce4 |
| 05:37.54 | metaphysician | n-iCe: get the firefox 12.0 tarball http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ , extract it and run firefox |
| 05:37.55 | rootant | ah, because you've chose to not install it |
| 05:38.05 | n-iCe | metaphysician: how do I get it without a broswr? |
| 05:38.13 | n-iCe | rootant: no there was no option |
| 05:38.20 | rootant | no? |
| 05:38.25 | n-iCe | rootant: used to ask me to install laptop or web server, etc |
| 05:38.32 | metaphysician | n-iCe: wget http://www.mozilla.org/products/download.html?product=firefox-12.0&os=linux&lang=en-US |
| 05:38.32 | rootant | i'm almost sure that it shouldb be |
| 05:38.34 | karlpinc | n-iCe: The testing installer is a work in progress, which is why we tell people to use the stable installer and upgrade. |
| 05:38.34 | n-iCe | but with testing it did not |
| 05:38.46 | n-iCe | oh |
| 05:38.52 | n-iCe | well, you guys did not tell me that |
| 05:38.53 | n-iCe | haha |
| 05:39.10 | n-iCe | the problem is that with stable mi built-in laptop mic does not work |
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| 05:39.29 | rootant | n-iCe: that's not necessary to install the browser |
| 05:39.49 | rootant | n-iCe: apt-get install links && download fx 12.0 |
| 05:39.49 | n-iCe | so you guys told me to move to testing |
| 05:40.01 | gnarface | most certainly did not |
| 05:40.04 | cardamon | n-iCe: You don't need to do what metaphysician said. |
| 05:40.05 | karlpinc | n-iCe: A newer kernel from backports would probably fix that. |
| 05:40.25 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Lots of people have <sns>, and they like to make it contagious. |
| 05:40.26 | cardamon | n-iCe: You can just install iceweasel from the package manager. |
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| 05:40.43 | cardamon | Only get a firefox tarball if you have a specific need for it. |
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| 05:40.46 | karlpinc | n-iCe: (A newer kernel for stable that is.) |
| 05:41.00 | rootant | idk fx 12.0 just works on squeeze |
| 05:41.04 | karlpinc | n-iCe: You need to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, particularly footnote 1. |
| 05:41.08 | rootant | i supose it should on testing as well |
| 05:41.35 | cardamon | Youtube is strangely blue http://i.imgur.com/6iUlE.jpg |
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| 05:42.02 | rootant | cardamon: turn off hw accel |
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| 05:42.13 | rootant | right click and it's on the first tab |
| 05:42.20 | imback | rootant you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
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| 05:42.55 | rootant | imback: congrats, who are you |
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| 05:43.08 | rootant | is this even legal here? |
| 05:43.29 | imback | I am your boyfriend asshol |
| 05:43.33 | imback | you are going to pay for what you did |
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| 05:44.42 | dizzylizzy | imback is still in the channel? |
| 05:44.43 | dizzylizzy | that's odd |
| 05:44.49 | imback | dizzylizzy you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
| 05:44.53 | craigevil | !ops imback troll |
| 05:44.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: craigevil complains about: imback troll |
| 05:44.55 | dizzylizzy | oh a bot |
| 05:44.55 | rootant | he must be important |
| 05:45.00 | cardamon | rootant: Don't feed the troll. |
| 05:45.02 | imback | craigevil you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
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| 05:45.22 | cardamon | Thank you. |
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| 05:45.31 | rootant | jesus |
| 05:45.31 | craigevil | rather rude bot |
| 05:45.34 | KeatonT | indeed. |
| 05:45.37 | rootant | yeah, bot |
| 05:46.00 | rootant | however |
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| 05:46.12 | rootant | he answered my question |
| 05:46.18 | g0dfrey | IRC botnet |
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| 05:47.01 | GoodBuns | G0dfrey you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
| 05:47.26 | KeatonT | new IP and everything. |
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| 05:47.33 | GoodBuns | keatont you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
| 05:47.37 | rootant | kill it with fire |
| 05:47.41 | rootant | ! |
| 05:47.47 | craigevil | cardamon, see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=79237 |
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| 05:49.27 | GoodBuns | craigevil you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
| 05:49.28 | metaphysician | yano: ban Good\ Buns too |
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| 05:50.11 | rootant | yalu: don't deop yourself pl0x |
| 05:50.17 | rootant | it may be back |
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| 05:50.53 | rootant | yano ↑ |
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| 05:50.55 | rootant | tabfail |
| 05:51.04 | LongDick | rootant you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
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| 05:51.18 | LongDick | optraz you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
| 05:51.23 | LongDick | |dz| you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
| 05:51.29 | optraz | wtf |
| 05:51.32 | optraz | someone ban him |
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| 05:51.50 | rootant | zeus ircbots? |
| 05:52.35 | optraz | i have pdns_recursor installed. i tried to google to find a documentaiton how doing resolve hostname locally in my intranet but it produce no result. What i want is basically resolve some of the host with my intranet to local ip, can anyone help please? |
| 05:52.37 | g0dfrey | is there any measures to avod that? |
| 05:52.55 | craigevil | they are using the webirc |
| 05:53.06 | rootant | yeah |
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| 05:56.58 | aill | With "find" whats the command to show if the listed file is a directory or file? |
| 05:57.39 | metaphysician | aill: man find ? |
| 05:57.41 | hiro_ | guys, I'm trying to run multiple pppd connections at the same time. ppp0 works, but as soon as I start the second ppp1 (without setting any route(I deleted /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/11route) even the old ppp0 connection stops working. Does anybody know why? Is this a routing issue or what? |
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| 05:58.08 | nice | damn networkmanager stopped all |
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| 05:58.28 | n-iCe | so, what was that thing about the backports to fix mi mic? |
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| 05:58.53 | craigevil | n-iCe, no backports if you are on testing, backports are for stable |
| 05:58.55 | civillian | hiro_: pastebin your routing table |
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| 05:59.10 | n-iCe | yeah, but they told me to install testing |
| 05:59.20 | n-iCe | I can install stable, indeed it was my first option thought and idea |
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| 05:59.39 | hiro_ | civillian: ip route output? |
| 05:59.50 | civillian | hiro_: yes |
| 06:00.01 | n-iCe | im installing iceweasel |
| 06:00.13 | n-iCe | I can download stable again, but how to make sure mi mic will work? |
| 06:00.28 | rootant | n-iCe: what can you see in alsamixer? |
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| 06:01.02 | arvind_khadri | tapout, 9.1 is there in squeeze |
| 06:01.09 | optraz | i have pdns_recursor installed. i tried to google to find a documentaiton how doing resolve hostname locally in my intranet but it produce no result. What i want is basically resolve some of the host with my intranet to local ip, can anyone help please? |
| 06:02.04 | hiro_ | civillian: normally just 213.20.58.133 dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src 77.13.28.46 |
| 06:02.21 | hiro_ | civillian: but when I run the second pppd it adds 13.20.58.133 dev ppp1 proto kernel scope link src 123.123.123.123 |
| 06:02.27 | n-iCe | rootant: well all the controls |
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| 06:02.36 | rootant | n-iCe: is there a mic? |
| 06:02.45 | civillian | hiro_: which one are you using as your internet connection? |
| 06:02.57 | hiro_ | the ppp0 |
| 06:03.25 | civillian | hiro_: so your first connection requires the default route |
| 06:03.29 | arvind_khadri | optraz, maybe you are looking for this http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/dhcp.dnsmasq |
| 06:03.38 | hiro_ | yeah, it is the default route |
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| 06:03.43 | hiro_ | and it works |
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| 06:03.57 | hiro_ | but when I run the second pppd it stops working |
| 06:03.59 | civillian | hiro_: what happens to that route when ppp1 comes up? |
| 06:04.06 | hiro_ | it stays default route |
| 06:04.12 | civillian | hiro_: over ppp0? |
| 06:04.15 | hiro_ | yes |
| 06:04.34 | n-iCe | rootant: yes in testing is working |
| 06:04.40 | civillian | you should be commenting out the defaultroute option under /etc/ppp/peers/xyz |
| 06:04.46 | civillian | for the ppp1 connection |
| 06:04.48 | hiro_ | I did |
| 06:04.51 | rootant | ok then i'm out |
| 06:04.55 | civillian | so what is this 11route you mentioned |
| 06:05.17 | n-iCe | rootant: but in stable does not work |
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| 06:05.18 | hiro_ | sits in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 06:05.25 | hiro_ | and creates that default route normally |
| 06:05.31 | rootant | n-iCe: i thought that you have testing |
| 06:05.35 | hiro_ | like this |
| 06:05.37 | hiro_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.40 | hiro_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.43 | civillian | hiro_: I've never heard of that script |
| 06:06.12 | hiro_ | perhaps I messed something up then |
| 06:06.14 | hiro_ | not sure |
| 06:06.21 | n-iCe | rootant: I have |
| 06:06.32 | optraz | arvind_khadri: thanks but i dont want dhcp server |
| 06:06.39 | civillian | hiro_: any route script like that would take into account multiple pppx interfaces and only create the route if defaultroute is set |
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| 06:06.57 | hiro_ | I must have created that script myself, lol |
| 06:06.59 | civillian | so hardcoding ppp0 looks to me like a custom home-made script |
| 06:07.10 | arvind_khadri | optraz, dnsmasq can just do dns, need not do dhcp |
| 06:07.18 | hiro_ | yes, anyway, I only do this manually for ppp0 |
| 06:07.34 | hiro_ | and I use nodefaultroute |
| 06:07.40 | optraz | arvind_khadri: yea, but i have pdns_recursor installed, dont wish to change though without knowing if it can do it. |
| 06:08.00 | arvind_khadri | optraz, aah ok |
| 06:08.08 | hiro_ | is there any other script which gets run when I run pon/pppd besides the obvious /etc/ppp/ip-up ? |
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| 06:08.48 | civillian | hiro_: not if you're including /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
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| 06:08.59 | hiro_ | mhm, then I don't get it |
| 06:09.02 | civillian | hiro_: just comment out defaultroute for the ppp1 |
| 06:09.09 | civillian | leave it as defaultroute for ppp0 |
| 06:09.16 | civillian | re-connect to ppp0 |
| 06:09.22 | gua | what are the files here and how would/does one use them?: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/web/ |
| 06:09.42 | hiro_ | as I said, I even put nodefaultroute into the ppp1 config |
| 06:09.51 | hiro_ | 08:09 < civillian> re-connect to ppp0 |
| 06:09.54 | hiro_ | why reconnect? |
| 06:10.16 | civillian | hiro_: those scripts are run at connection and disconnection, not inbetween |
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| 06:10.53 | hiro_ | ppp0 is always connected |
| 06:11.04 | hiro_ | any time I connect ppp1 ppp0 default route stops working |
| 06:11.06 | hiro_ | I don't get it |
| 06:11.20 | civillian | I've tried to explain it to you |
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| 06:12.58 | hiro_ | do I have to re-set defaultroute after ppp1 gets run? thus reconnect ppp0 so these scripts get run?! |
| 06:13.25 | civillian | each change to those scripts or the peers/xyz files require disconnect and reconnect |
| 06:13.34 | hiro_ | ok, that's obvious |
| 06:13.40 | civillian | not to you it seems |
| 06:13.49 | hiro_ | then you misunderstood me |
| 06:13.55 | civillian | I'm done |
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| 06:16.05 | hiro_ | ok will try out manually running everything |
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| 06:25.55 | aill | how do i use the find command but exclude any sub directories with a specific name? |
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| 06:26.40 | rootant | aill: i'd say a script |
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| 06:29.08 | jpinx | aill: did you read man find? there are many options ... |
| 06:29.18 | aill | i did |
| 06:29.22 | aill | but its gonna take me 3 hours to digest |
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| 06:29.37 | aill | the man page for find isnt the best laid out man page ive seen |
| 06:29.59 | jpinx | adds salt and pepper |
| 06:30.01 | gua | aill: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/programming-scripting/66523-how-do-you-exclude-files-find-command.html |
| 06:30.09 | rootant | jpinx: :-D |
| 06:30.11 | tralala | aill, you can search the man page too. Since you want to exclude subdirectories you could search for say... "exclude". |
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| 06:30.44 | gua | if there's documentation for what the files are here, anyone mind pointing me in the right direction? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/web/ |
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| 06:30.52 | aill | find . -type f -o -type d | grep -v "/folderToExclude" dont like using grep on top |
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| 06:32.12 | gua | aill: the regex option might work |
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| 06:33.59 | rootant | idk i use just -name all the time |
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| 06:35.34 | gua | aill: grep might be the best way |
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| 06:36.31 | aill | works good enough i guess yeah |
| 06:36.35 | puc | aill: find . \( -name 'folderToExclude' -a -prune \) -o -print |
| 06:36.46 | aill | puc what is the \ for |
| 06:37.13 | rootant | escape characters? |
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| 06:37.16 | ectospasm | aill: escaping the next character so the shell doesn't try to interpret it |
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| 06:37.24 | aill | oh right thanks |
| 06:37.27 | analwarts | ectoppasm you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
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| 06:37.50 | ectospasm | wha? |
| 06:38.11 | aill | he just called you a hoe |
| 06:38.12 | aill | lol |
| 06:38.17 | aill | its a bot |
| 06:38.24 | ectospasm | been called worse things, I guess. |
| 06:38.24 | metaphysician | ectospasm: it's a troll bot |
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| 06:38.51 | puc | the bot spelled ectospasm wrong |
| 06:38.52 | metaphysician | most probably funded by micr0s0ft |
| 06:39.28 | rootant | mexico |
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| 06:39.50 | tralala | most certainly funded by them - I can't imagine they have better things to do with their time and money |
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| 06:40.19 | rootant | previous one had also mexican ip |
| 06:40.34 | rootant | arriba |
| 06:41.11 | greenbergers | rootant you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
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| 06:41.27 | metaphysician | let's range block mexico |
| 06:41.34 | rootant | and yes, another mexican ip |
| 06:41.47 | tralala | It has /msg'ed me too |
| 06:41.56 | rootant | what did it say? |
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| 06:41.58 | rootant | same as here? |
| 06:42.05 | tralala | yes |
| 06:42.10 | rootant | :( |
| 06:42.12 | rootant | boring |
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| 06:42.54 | tralala | it makes up for a small off-topic conversation |
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| 06:44.01 | rootant | they pay for megabits in coke |
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| 06:44.37 | arvind_khadri | rootant, coke as in cocaine? |
| 06:44.41 | tijuanense | gry you faggot! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your punk ass, I am going to take a cialis and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
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| 06:44.46 | rootant | yes but j/k |
| 06:45.05 | rootant | ops, wrong person you bot |
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| 06:45.14 | rootant | time to smoke a cit brb o/ |
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| 06:45.21 | arvind_khadri | epic fail :) |
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| 06:45.47 | Rockj | Q: anyone with debian squeeze (stable) who can check http://www.w3schools.com/svg/tryit.asp?filename=trysvg_text with chromium and see if this text is actually red? |
| 06:46.09 | Rockj | it doesn't work on my computer, but does on my friends who's running ubuntu 10.10 with chromium and on my laptop running debian wheezy. |
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| 06:46.49 | gry | what chromium version? |
| 06:47.04 | Rockj | just wondering if I've managed something stupid on my work computer. |
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| 06:47.12 | Rockj | gry: the one in the default debian squeeze repositories |
| 06:47.17 | guglielmino | rockj you god damn queer! Thanks to your cheating I now have fucking venereal warts on my dick! I told you! When I find your bitch ass, I am going to take a viagra and smoke meth before fucking your god damn bitch ass raw until it is overflowing with semen... alll night long baby. That will teach you to cheat on me and get me infected! |
| 06:47.17 | Rockj | reports itself as 6.x something |
| 06:47.26 | aill | The command i have to list everything in the current directory is: find . -type f -o -type d which lists both files and directories which is good, but i have little way to accurately tell whats a directory and whats a file..help |
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| 06:49.27 | krion | no more web user ! :) |
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| 06:49.59 | bburhans | you also just banned a bunch of people who are already here on-channel and now cannot speak |
| 06:50.00 | Rockj | gry: which you get by simple typing apt-get install chromium-browser :-) |
| 06:50.15 | puc | aill: find . \( -type f -o -type d \) -ls |
| 06:51.21 | aill | epic all the columns are in perfect width? |
| 06:51.32 | abrotman | craigevil: remote X doesn't require a local X |
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| 06:52.17 | craigevil | ? |
| 06:52.43 | craigevil | abrotman, wrong tab-complete? |
| 06:53.04 | abrotman | you said "kinda weird installing a desktop wouldn't install X" .. not really, you can use remoteX to run the desktop |
| 06:53.28 | craigevil | ah ok |
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| 06:53.46 | tralala | and I'm certain there are three users who do that |
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| 06:54.01 | bookmark | hello |
| 06:54.16 | abrotman | tralala: i didn't agree with the idea of doing that .. just that it might be why it doesn't |
| 06:54.20 | abrotman | and i'm sure there are more than three :) |
| 06:54.34 | bookmark | if i am using debian live is there some way that i can use chroot to mount an installed linux that has a messed up grub? |
| 06:54.52 | bookmark | "mount" |
| 06:55.08 | abrotman | craigevil: generally, aptitude install xorg <WM/DE> <*DM> |
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| 06:55.14 | abrotman | just to ensure |
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| 06:55.37 | abrotman | bburhans: i'm aware, but the web irc has been abused all night |
| 06:55.38 | tralala | abrotman, yes that's why it doesn't - because you could run a desktop on a remote X. How useful that would be... we'd need to ask the _four_ users. |
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| 06:55.57 | rootant | bookmark: yes, run the prompt, mount the filesystems and chroot into it |
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| 06:56.08 | as001 | hi is there nodjs package on debian squeeze ? |
| 06:56.18 | as001 | java script server nodejs ? |
| 06:56.39 | tralala | ,versions nodjs |
| 06:56.40 | judd | No package named 'nodjs' was found in i386. |
| 06:56.44 | abrotman | nodejs ... |
| 06:56.53 | abrotman | as001: apt-cache search nodejs .. find anything ? |
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| 06:57.10 | abrotman | !nodejs |
| 06:57.10 | dpkg | node.js is probably an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine. Currently in sid and experimental only, see http://bugs.debian.org/611698 |
| 06:57.10 | as001 | no |
| 06:57.18 | as001 | ok thanks |
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| 06:58.30 | bookmark | rootant: but i want it mounted at / |
| 06:58.42 | rootant | why? |
| 06:58.42 | abrotman | that's probably a bit old .. but it'd maybe be in testing/unstable now |
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| 06:58.59 | bookmark | so i can run x |
| 06:59.16 | rootant | i'm done for now |
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| 06:59.31 | bookmark | rootant: or would i be able to run x? |
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| 07:00.00 | Sillencer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.30 | puc | aill: i guess you could also use -printf for different types. find . \( -type d -a -printf "\033[0;34m%p\033[0m" \) -o \( -type f -a -print \). would print directories as blue on ansi capable terminals. |
| 07:00.58 | bookmark | hmm i got a fatal error, cannot open virtual console 7 |
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| 07:02.11 | bookmark | anyone know how i can make virtual console 7? |
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| 07:03.22 | tralala | bookmark, when do you get the error? |
| 07:04.17 | bookmark | after i typed startx |
| 07:04.24 | tralala | as root? |
| 07:04.28 | bookmark | yeah |
| 07:04.32 | bookmark | i think |
| 07:04.46 | bookmark | yeah as root |
| 07:05.05 | bookmark | im running off debian live cd console version |
| 07:05.11 | bookmark | but it only goes up to tty6 |
| 07:05.15 | tralala | do you have X running already? |
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| 07:05.20 | bookmark | no |
| 07:06.48 | rootant | bookmark: try grml |
| 07:06.55 | bookmark | what is grml? |
| 07:07.16 | rootant | it's debian based and fully featured live distro, much more usable than debian's rescue cd |
| 07:08.06 | gry | why is it more usable? |
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| 07:08.26 | rootant | because it has lots of usable tools and for sure has tty7 |
| 07:08.41 | mah454 | I can not ssh to debian wheezy ! |
| 07:08.43 | bookmark | is it text based? |
| 07:08.47 | mah454 | receive this message : /bin/bash: No such file or directory |
| 07:08.58 | rootant | it's text + fluxbox optionally |
| 07:09.04 | bookmark | nice |
| 07:09.33 | bookmark | oh shizzle that reminds me |
| 07:09.42 | bookmark | i can access my cache |
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| 07:10.22 | gry | rootant, ahh, ok |
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| 07:13.39 | bookmark | damn i installed everything and i still get the same msg |
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| 07:19.31 | tralala | mah454, try ssh user@host /bin/sh |
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| 07:23.00 | rootant | http://xkcd.com/705/ |
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| 07:30.00 | impaktor | I have automatic login in gnome, but the keyring prompts me for password every time I start my computer. Anyone know how to disable this. |
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| 07:38.29 | dokma | I have a VERY strange problem. My mouse pointer gets deformed from time to time when passing from one monitor to the other. From a normal pointer it turns into something that you would get if you took 3 or 4 pixels of the top of the normal pointer and then just tile them beneath eachother about 15 or so times. |
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| 07:38.49 | dokma | The pointer still works and it's focus point is at the top of this weird structure... |
| 07:39.11 | dokma | Sometimes I can restore it back by passing the border between the two monitor repeatedly. |
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| 07:39.29 | dokma | It's on debian stable with XFCE4 |
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| 07:41.14 | rootant | dokma: i don't think that fileing a bug report would change something in this case |
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| 07:42.01 | dokma | rootant: it's probably really hard to replicate... |
| 07:42.23 | dokma | rootant: do you have any idea how to try cracking the cause? |
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| 07:42.41 | rootant | dokma: sry, not really, i don't even use dualhead |
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| 07:48.06 | aill | how to hide symlinks with find command ? |
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| 07:58.55 | Jimmothy | how can i remove KDE from my system? i'm currently installing gnome. |
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| 07:59.59 | rootant | Jimmothy: have you got the kde package installed on your system? |
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| 08:00.10 | rootant | the 'kde' package |
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| 08:00.57 | rootant | if you have than try apt-get autoremove kde |
| 08:01.01 | rootant | bbl |
| 08:01.04 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Jimmothy about remove kde |
| 08:01.43 | rootant | dpkg, remove kde |
| 08:01.44 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 08:02.05 | rootant | oh, isee |
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| 08:04.57 | Jimmothy | oh thanks guys thats brilliant |
| 08:05.06 | Jimmothy | i'll do that once gnome is complete |
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| 08:07.01 | gry | oh, that's a short line for removing kde, I wasn't thinking it's all it includes |
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| 08:08.04 | Jimmothy | time to log back in on gnome |
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| 08:13.03 | Slava_ | Hello all! Can anybody answer my questions about using mgetty? Or tell me, please, what of channel shall I join to make questions about mgetty? |
| 08:13.37 | Slava_ | sorry for my English, my native language is Russian |
| 08:13.53 | gry | Just ask here :-) |
| 08:13.54 | ectospasm | anybody know why the debian installer for wheezy can't mount my JFS partition? The F4 log doesn't show any errors, yet the partitioner fails to mount my existing JFS partition (/var) |
| 08:14.09 | Slava_ | ok, thanks :) |
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| 08:14.47 | ectospasm | ...my JFS partition was created when I installed squeeze on it. |
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| 08:15.41 | Slava_ | I need answer incoming call (with mgetty) in CSD mode, receive data from other modem and save this data to text file |
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| 08:16.48 | Slava_ | I think, I need run external script from /etc/mgetty/login.config |
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| 08:17.57 | Slava_ | it seems that my script runs, but I don`t understand, what I need to do with lock files |
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| 08:18.52 | emss | ectospasm: you can try manually mounting it |
| 08:19.04 | Slava_ | my script runs, but mgetty is locking serial port and my script cannot read data from this serial port. what I need to do? |
| 08:19.53 | ectospasm | emss: yes, and that fails (says "invalid argument") |
| 08:19.58 | ectospasm | I loathe busybox. |
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| 08:21.48 | emss | ectospasm: has there been any non backward compatible changes to JFS since sqeeze? |
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| 08:33.25 | ChrisH | Slava_: What do you want to achieve? From what I read from the short description mgetty is not the right approach |
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| 08:40.20 | Slava_ | I have remote modems that are calling to my "server". I need receive info from that modems and put it to text files. |
| 08:40.39 | cerjam | anyone got any experience with truecrypt commandline |
| 08:40.51 | Slava_ | My programming skills are poor and I decide to use mgetty |
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| 08:42.09 | ChrisH | Slava_: what protocoll do they use? It might be simpler to use mgetty/pppd and setup an IP over PPP connection and use scp/rsync/xxx to transfer the files. From my (only 10 years) experience with mgetty a script will not work there. |
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| 08:44.04 | Slava_ | they use self-written protocol, and I cannot change it -- modems are controlled by microcontrollers and firmware is made by other person. |
| 08:44.47 | Slava_ | so I cannot use PPP or other. I must use CSD-mode |
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| 08:53.38 | ghoulsblade | hi all, i used cfdisk to add a 3rd primary partition (750gb) to my /dev/sdb drive (2T), but /dev/sdb3 doesn't show up with dir /dev/sdb* , but it worked fine when i added the first two, any idea what could go wrong ? |
| 08:55.33 | ectospasm | I find cfdisk to be unreliable, even given its curses-y goodness... |
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| 08:56.02 | ghoulsblade | ok, i'll try fdisk directly then |
| 08:56.12 | ectospasm | figured out my problem, btw. Apparently my JFS partition was not unmounted cleanly |
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| 08:56.38 | tux765 | oh yeahh |
| 08:56.43 | tux765 | take it bitch |
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| 08:58.31 | ChrisH | Slava_: then it looks like mgetty is not the right approach. But while chgecking the wikipedia article on CSD, CDS only defines the transport mechanism not a protcoll. Do you have a mgetty log from such a connect attempt to paste somehwer? |
| 08:59.48 | ghoulsblade | ah, fdisk produces a useful error message : device busy, kernel still uses the old table, new table will be used at next reboot, that explained it, thanks =) |
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| 09:02.55 | adam_ | why when i have same repo, after update |
| 09:02.59 | adam_ | i dont have compiz?? |
| 09:03.00 | adam_ | X_X |
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| 09:08.51 | hstefan | Hey, I'm running debian on a virtual machine and the internet connection is veeeery slow on the vm, ping -c 3 www.google.com took over 16k ms. Already disabled ipv6, that apparently cause problems to some people. |
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| 09:09.26 | Slava_ | http://pastebin.com/qQGYwz1A -- here is the example of mgetty log |
| 09:10.17 | Slava_ | if mgetty is not the right approach, what should I do to manage incoming calls? |
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| 09:12.17 | Slava_ | about protocols: yes, CSD is only transport, remote modems are sending plain text with <CR><LF>'s |
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| 09:14.36 | Benkinooby | hi, a quick question of ext2 files permission. following setup: user11 in group1 owns a file file1.txt now he wants to give read permission to user21 in group2 but not to user22, who is in group2 too. how can that be solved? |
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| 09:15.01 | dsirijus | hey, i have no gcc or cc man pages |
| 09:15.11 | dsirijus | and apt-cache search gcc | grep doc gives me nothing |
| 09:15.20 | dsirijus | i've installed it all with build-essential |
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| 09:15.58 | dsirijus | it's wheezy |
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| 09:19.58 | Trewas | Benkinooby: not without creating another group for both user11 and user21, or using ACLs |
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| 09:21.42 | tux285 | Trewas! |
| 09:21.44 | tux285 | Oh jayne! Let me lick out that little browniehole of yours to get it loose for my dildo and then the tube that will fill your sweet asshole and colon with chocolate pudding. Then you will be forced to defecate it into my mouth before I ream your booty. |
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| 09:26.26 | rootant | mexico |
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| 09:26.59 | Poopermex | oh yeahh |
| 09:27.00 | Poopermex | bitch |
| 09:27.02 | Poopermex | take it |
| 09:27.07 | Poopermex | gheraint too |
| 09:28.21 | ChrisH | Slava_: interestingly the mgetty logfile shows a proper detection of the connet and mgetty does hand over to you perl script. IIRC that script should be able to read/write to STDIN/STDOUT now from/to the remote side. can you check/confirm that? |
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| 09:29.43 | tux527 | chrish Oh jayne! God damn! Let me lick out that little browniehole of yours to get it loose for my dildo and then the tube that will fill your sweet asshole and colon with chocolate pudding. Then you will be forced to defecate it into my mouth before I ream your booty. |
| 09:29.48 | tux527 | oh take it |
| 09:29.52 | tux527 | jayne you are my bitch |
| 09:29.54 | tux527 | going to fill your ass |
| 09:29.57 | tux527 | full of my semen |
| 09:30.01 | tux527 | violently |
| 09:30.04 | tux527 | after smoking that meth |
| 09:30.11 | tux527 | and taking a cialis, your ass will be pumped all night long |
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| 09:32.54 | ChrisH | Is there any chance to ask dpkg to kick such a spammer? |
| 09:33.20 | ayambit | I'm trying to make bootable usb stick as stated here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en . Well, stick boots and installer starts, but fails with "Incorrect CD-ROM detected" error message. |
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| 09:35.36 | Slava_ | ChrisH: my perl script is able to read from serial port ttyS0 and to write to log file. but its log file is empty :( so I think that mgetty locks serial port and script cannot use it. |
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| 09:36.39 | ayambit | uh, anyone? |
| 09:38.17 | ChrisH | Slava_: did you read my comment? STDIN/STDOUT! not /dev/serialline!!! |
| 09:38.32 | Slava_ | http://pastebin.com/Kpnhd7jc -- here is the test script |
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| 09:38.51 | tralala | ayambit, is your cpu 64bit? does the cd image have the correct checksum? |
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| 09:39.13 | ayambit | yes, it's 64bit |
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| 09:39.21 | ayambit | i checked checksum last time is was ok |
| 09:39.26 | Slava_ | ChrisH: OK, I will try with script reading STDIN/STDOUT, thanks |
| 09:39.27 | ayambit | wait a sec, i'll recheck |
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| 09:41.03 | ayambit | tralala: checksum is ok |
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| 09:41.31 | OlgaMaria | #flood |
| 09:41.36 | tralala | ayambit, which cd image are you using? |
| 09:41.39 | ayambit | debian-6.0.4-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 09:42.31 | tralala | do you have any cd in the cdrom? |
| 09:42.37 | ayambit | no |
| 09:42.51 | tralala | can you boot this image under a VM? |
| 09:43.22 | tralala | when do you get the message? before any menus show up or at some point during the installation process? |
| 09:43.44 | ayambit | tralala: debian installer lauches and i currently have it's menu onscreen |
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| 09:43.53 | ayambit | it has an option to detect and mount cd-rom |
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| 09:44.20 | ayambit | well, if i choose it it says that Incorrect CD-ROM detected |
| 09:44.36 | hstefan | Hey, I'm running debian on a virtual machine and the internet connection is veeeery slow on the vm, ping -c 3 www.google.com took over 16k ms. Already disabled ipv6, that apparently cause problems to some people. |
| 09:45.18 | tralala | ayambit, and if you skip it? |
| 09:45.39 | ayambit | i can't skip it |
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| 09:46.12 | ayambit | installer allows me to mount cdrom, execute a chell or abourt installation |
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| 09:47.40 | tralala | ayambit, does it behave the same in a VM? |
| 09:47.51 | ayambit | i can't check now |
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| 09:48.32 | tralala | ayambit, any logs an console 4? |
| 09:48.35 | tralala | at |
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| 09:50.19 | ayambit | it says devices: /dev/sr0 /dev/sr1, mount failed, ant then it trys to mount the /dev/sda and of course failes. i don't see it trying to use usb stick |
| 09:50.25 | ayambit | */dev/sda1 |
| 09:50.53 | tralala | isn't sda1 the stick? |
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| 09:51.51 | ayambit | ah, it indeed is, dmesg told me. |
| 09:52.47 | tralala | what happens if you try to mount it by hand? |
| 09:53.12 | ayambit | it mounts |
| 09:53.25 | tralala | btw how did you prepare the stick? dd? |
| 09:53.49 | ayambit | nope, mkfs.msdos then install-mbr and syslinux |
| 09:53.57 | ayambit | maybe i'm being just stupid |
| 09:54.11 | tralala | why don't you try dd |
| 09:54.15 | ayambit | i understood from debian manuals that i just need to place iso image on usb stick |
| 09:54.19 | tralala | dd has always worked for me |
| 09:54.22 | ayambit | i don't want to kill it |
| 09:54.30 | tralala | kill what? |
| 09:54.58 | ayambit | files on usb stick. even if i use dd now, it won't help me to make a usb stick with several images too boot from |
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| 09:56.13 | tralala | but it will help you to install debian |
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| 09:56.27 | ayambit | well, i can install it from cd anyway. |
| 09:56.28 | tralala | and figuring out how to make a multi-boot usb can take a while |
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| 09:57.41 | Slava_ | ChrisH: it seems I do something wrong. as test script I use the simplest: my $R = <STDIN>; print STDOUT $R; -- and see nothing |
| 09:58.08 | ayambit | i think if i should extract iso image onto usb stick |
| 09:58.13 | ayambit | or just place iso image? |
| 09:59.28 | tralala | ayambit, just copy it. Did you use the hd-media installer? |
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| 10:00.01 | ayambit | well, thanks, i guess it's me being stupid |
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| 10:00.11 | ayambit | because i didn't |
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| 10:03.18 | cardamon | Do KDE applications have a lot of overhead if you're a none-KDE user? |
| 10:03.27 | ChrisH | Slava_: can you dialin via another modem to test? Where are you located? |
| 10:03.59 | tralala | cardamon, they might start kde services |
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| 10:05.16 | hamid | cardamon: also loading kde modules |
| 10:05.31 | cardamon | will aptitude show <package> show me dependencies of dependencies, or just the immediate level? |
| 10:05.33 | Slava_ | ChrisH: I have self-written program for Windows, that works with these modems. But I need to use Linux on my server. I'm in Russia :-) |
| 10:06.18 | ayambit | tralala: well, thanks a lot. i just used hdimage installer and that worked. |
| 10:06.23 | cardamon | I want okular, it show a lot of libs as deps, which is fine...but phonon and kde-runtime are there too, so I'm guessing they'll probably want others. |
| 10:06.32 | tralala | ayambit, you're welcome |
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| 10:07.10 | tralala | cardamon, apt-get install will |
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| 10:08.05 | ChrisH | Slava_: OK, calling Russia from Germany might be a bit expensive. Do you have additional modems un Linux to dialout? |
| 10:08.58 | cardamon | Sometimes apt-get skips prompts. is there something like a --force-ask option? |
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| 10:10.04 | Slava_ | ChrisH: no, this is my first expirience with modems in Linux. My server is connected to local network via ethernet, so dial-out is impossible |
| 10:10.39 | tralala | in only skips prompts when it won't do any automatic installations |
| 10:10.41 | tralala | it |
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| 10:11.12 | leN00b | hi all |
| 10:11.32 | leN00b | ugh.. can anyone help? I reinstalled squeeze over wheezy/sid |
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| 10:11.49 | Slava_ | if there is another software to manage incoming calls -- tell me please about it. |
| 10:11.51 | leN00b | during the install grub failed to install and now i'm left with an incomptaible license error grub rescue prompt |
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| 10:12.33 | leN00b | i believe this is because wheezy had grub3 which is gpl and whatever version of grub is on squeeze is a different /liberal license.. how do i fix the problem? it's not possible to uninstall grub, right? |
| 10:12.35 | Slava_ | all that I need is get data from serial port and save to text file |
| 10:13.13 | tralala | leN00b, boot in rescue mode and re-install grub |
| 10:13.22 | tralala | that is the installer cd |
| 10:13.28 | leN00b | i'm in rescue mode . how do i reinstall grub? |
| 10:13.34 | tralala | grub-install |
| 10:13.46 | leN00b | ok |
| 10:13.47 | leN00b | uhm |
| 10:13.57 | leN00b | i should also mention i'm using an encrypted lvm |
| 10:14.18 | leN00b | i get auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/cygnus-root failed. |
| 10:14.18 | leN00b | :/ |
| 10:14.28 | tralala | is your boot partiton there? |
| 10:14.53 | aill | hi im doing something like this ssh root@myserver.com:22 ls * to get back a list of files, but it takes ages, would redirecting to a zip file and getting that back help or something? |
| 10:15.30 | leN00b | i don't know where my boot partition is |
| 10:15.51 | leN00b | with an encrypted lvm is the boot partition unencrypted/outside the lvm ? |
| 10:16.09 | tralala | it has to be |
| 10:16.11 | ChrisH | leN00b: normally it should be outside |
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| 10:16.44 | leN00b | is there a way of finding where it is ? |
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| 10:17.03 | leN00b | that auto detection failed error.. i ran the suggestions grub-probe command |
| 10:17.12 | leN00b | it picks some stuff up but at the end it's saying opening cygnus-root |
| 10:17.17 | leN00b | grub-probe: error: no such disk |
| 10:18.24 | tralala | fdisk -lu |
| 10:18.59 | ChrisH | Slava_: for testing you need another modem connected to the company PBX or at least access to a modem beeing able to dial to the modem connected to your server. Ugly idea: stop mgetty and run a cat /dev/ttyS0 ... there you might need to manually adjust the serial port speed using stty command |
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| 10:20.42 | leN00b | fisk -lu WARNING: GPT (GUID partition table) detected on /dev/sda - the util doesn't support GPT use GNU parted |
| 10:21.02 | leN00b | the only device is lists out then is /dev/sda1 start 1, id ee, system GPT |
| 10:21.17 | leN00b | is there a way i can just get it to accept the license? |
| 10:21.20 | tralala | go ahead and use parted |
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| 10:22.15 | codek` | hi, anyone know ejabberd? can help me? |
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| 10:22.30 | gry | with what? |
| 10:22.47 | codek` | i have a xmpp server (ejabberd) |
| 10:22.56 | codek` | and i want to add video and voice |
| 10:23.28 | codek` | if my users use Jitsi, can do video? or i need to add video modules to xmpp server? |
| 10:23.35 | Slava_ | ChrisH: Hmm... but log of mgetty shows that connection is established, so port settings are correct. I just need to obtain received data and save it. |
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| 10:25.25 | ChrisH | Slava_: ACK. from my understanding mgetty hand 2 or 3 filehandles to the called process. maybe you have to dig into gerd's mgetty.greenie.net docs |
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| 10:27.30 | Slava_ | ChrisH: thanks for the link, I will read the manual |
| 10:27.56 | leN00b | ok |
| 10:28.02 | leN00b | what am i looking for in the output of parted -l ? |
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| 10:28.27 | leN00b | it is listening a boot partitions but there's only a number associated with it .. no guuid or /dev/ path |
| 10:28.32 | leN00b | listening > listing |
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| 11:00.06 | yang_ | What is the "console" version of Emacs ? Whenever I start it it goes GUI |
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| 11:01.56 | hamid | yang_: emacs -nw i thingh |
| 11:02.02 | yang_ | ok |
| 11:02.02 | hamid | think* |
| 11:02.12 | hamid | yang_: also nano! :D |
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| 11:03.25 | yang_ | ;) |
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| 11:06.26 | fasta | My Xserver uses 100% CPU. Is there anything I can do to get a stack trace of the infinite loop? |
| 11:06.59 | CruX| | sure with gdb |
| 11:07.08 | CruX| | and if Xserver has debug info |
| 11:07.41 | fasta | CruX|: does that also work if I apt-get install the dbg info now? |
| 11:07.51 | Guest96458 | fasta: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging |
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| 11:09.38 | fasta | But it didn't actually crash. |
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| 11:09.54 | fasta | It's just an infinite loop. |
| 11:10.04 | aill | how to make find show hidden files? |
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| 11:10.39 | ChrisH | fasta: Did you confirm using strace it is not interacting with the system anylonger? |
| 11:11.05 | fasta | ChrisH: well, I was just using it and it became unusable. |
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| 11:11.27 | fasta | ChrisH: so, no. Can strace connect to running processes? |
| 11:11.51 | ChrisH | fasta: it can loop in userland, between userland and kernel and inside kernel... use strace -p PID |
| 11:12.26 | fasta | ChrisH: no output |
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| 11:12.48 | fasta | ChrisH: Process 181 attached - interrupt to quit |
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| 11:13.20 | fasta | ChrisH: uhm, how do I interrupt? C-c doesn't work. |
| 11:13.47 | ChrisH | fasta: if nothing els happens, your assumption was correct. It looks in userland -> continue using gdb control-c is expected to work |
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| 11:14.19 | fasta | ChrisH: control-c does nto work |
| 11:14.25 | fasta | ChrisH: kill -9? |
| 11:14.35 | fasta | (strace, I mean) |
| 11:14.48 | ChrisH | fasta: I would do a gcore in the X before killing anything! |
| 11:14.53 | ChrisH | s/in/on |
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| 11:15.37 | fasta | ChrisH: a gcore? |
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| 11:16.46 | fasta | ChrisH: I cannot attach now. |
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| 11:17.02 | fasta | ChrisH: it says that strace is already tracing it. |
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| 11:18.26 | dante___ | hi , I need help setting up danteD socks proxy |
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| 11:19.35 | dante___ | i console i've many " danted[21907]: block(0): tcp/connect [: xx:xx:xx:xx ] |
| 11:19.41 | dante___ | but no connection is forwarded |
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| 11:20.37 | ChrisH | fasta: puh... killing strace is the onlz way out, but it could bring down X as well. |
| 11:20.55 | fasta | ChrisH: it didn't. |
| 11:21.01 | fasta | ChrisH: so, now I am attached. |
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| 11:21.16 | fasta | ChrisH: or rather, it's in the process of attaching. |
| 11:21.19 | hroi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.26 | fasta | ChrisH: and it ... doesn't work. |
| 11:21.26 | hroi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps anybody got any exp on installing the nsca nagios plugin from repos in squeeze? |
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| 11:23.45 | fasta | ChrisH: still waiting for it to attach... |
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| 11:23.58 | fasta | ChrisH: what's the point of a debugger, if it doesn't work? |
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| 11:25.55 | ChrisH | fasta: what did you do? gdb or gcore -o file $PID |
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| 11:26.47 | fasta | ChrisH: gdb, but I am on a different machine. |
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| 11:27.02 | codek` | hello i have problems with debian squeeze, i dont understand why my machine renove DHCP all time :S |
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| 11:28.50 | fasta | ChrisH: gcore also hangs. |
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| 11:30.55 | ChrisH | codek`: can you pastebin the logs? |
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| 11:31.26 | fasta | ChrisH: any other ideas? |
| 11:31.29 | codek` | ChrisH, yes, but. what logs? |
| 11:31.43 | fasta | ChrisH: I would like to get on with my life again. |
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| 11:33.16 | codek` | ChrisH, what is the name of dhcp client logs? |
| 11:33.19 | codek` | i dont find it |
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| 11:33.40 | fasta | ChrisH: ok, time to kill X. |
| 11:34.10 | ChrisH | codek`: its in syslog or messages or daemon.log. cd /var/log ; grep -li dhcp * to get the filenames |
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| 11:55.37 | fasta | Uhm, why can't I kill -9 <pid of X server?> |
| 11:56.03 | fasta | I know it's busy with some systemcall, but I couldn't care less about that. |
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| 11:57.09 | saedelaere | hi |
| 11:57.19 | petemc | fasta: what state is the process in? |
| 11:57.29 | fasta | petemc: R |
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| 11:58.10 | saedelaere | I want to to reinstall open-ssh server so I get the original config file back for the ssh daemon. I am not sure if I messed it up :) |
| 11:58.15 | saedelaere | I tried like this |
| 11:58.15 | ChrisH | fasta: in R it is at least "reachable" for signals. a reboot might be faster :) |
| 11:58.16 | saedelaere | sudo dpkg -i --force-confmiss openssh-server |
| 11:58.25 | saedelaere | but this doesn't work |
| 11:58.32 | saedelaere | so how do I do it? |
| 11:58.34 | saedelaere | thanks |
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| 11:58.53 | ChrisH | saedelaere: I would have done: apt-get remove --purge openssh-server && apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 11:59.08 | babilen | !tell saedelaere -about confmiss |
| 11:59.16 | babilen | !tell saedelaere -about confnew |
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| 11:59.45 | fasta | ChrisH: I have a long running process running. |
| 11:59.59 | fasta | ChrisH: I don't want to kill it, unless I can store its state. |
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| 12:00.08 | fasta | ChrisH: is that possible? |
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| 12:00.21 | fasta | ChrisH: e.g. core dump and continue running. |
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| 12:01.39 | ChrisH | fasta: from my understanding this has to be implemented by the longrunning process. Wont that long running process not be killed if you kill X ? |
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| 12:03.02 | fasta | ChrisH: no |
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| 12:07.09 | ChrisH | fasta: then you could try a while true; kill -9 $PWD ; done loop |
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| 12:14.17 | superuser_ir1 | http://pastie.org/3914858 |
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| 12:16.21 | Guest7465 | hey everyone |
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| 12:16.52 | Guest7465 | a question for emacs |
| 12:17.36 | homes | then ask emss |
| 12:17.40 | homes | emacs* |
| 12:17.59 | babilen | #emacs that is |
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| 12:18.37 | Guest7465 | thx |
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| 12:20.41 | babilen | superuser_ir1: You LANGUAGE is set to an incorrect value (en_US:en) -- Try setting it to en_US.UTF-8 and make sure that you generate all locales in question. |
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| 12:21.16 | superuser_ir1 | i cant do it |
| 12:21.28 | babilen | superuser_ir1: Why not? |
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| 12:22.00 | superuser_ir1 | which com do it |
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| 12:23.47 | superuser_ir1 | babilen: which comn do it? |
| 12:24.22 | babilen | superuser_ir1: How/Where do you set the LANGUAGE environment variable? You can set it with, for example, "export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8" in the current shell, but you should fix it permanently. After you've done that run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and make sure that you select *all* locales that you use/want. (en_US.UTF-8 and fa_IR.UTF-8) -- (all that assuming that "comn" means "command") |
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| 12:28.48 | ChrisH | superuser_ir1: LANGUAGE = "en_US:en" <--- this setting is wrong |
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| 12:29.17 | superuser_ir1 | ChrisH:how fix it ? |
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| 12:38.41 | sje46 | what's the proper way to stop a program from running at boot? I mean stuff in /etc/init.d |
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| 12:38.58 | jbw | hi all |
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| 12:39.24 | ChrisH | superuser_ir1: babilen did answer that Q. export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 ; rerun the dpkg jobs and check if that fixed it permantly eg. reboot |
| 12:39.27 | gry | hello, jbw |
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| 12:39.56 | jbw | anyone have any idea of why "Jungle" has become my default font? |
| 12:39.56 | ChrisH | sje46: man update-rc.d |
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| 12:40.03 | superuser_ir1 | http://pastie.org/3914925 |
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| 12:40.22 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 12:40.30 | rocketmagnet | i've a question... |
| 12:40.31 | rocketmagnet | when i login to gdm3 my numpad does work normaly, but when i start an xterm then the numpad doesn't work anymore... has someone an idea what the problem can be - a hint - when i unplug the the keyboard and replug it into another usb-input it does work.... |
| 12:40.31 | ChrisH | superuser_ir1: please read before writing |
| 12:40.34 | jbw | webpages in chrome (google, gmail etc.) all are using Jungle (at least I think it's jungle) - things look crazy |
| 12:40.41 | babilen | superuser_ir1: Run "export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 ; dpkg-reconfigure locales" (make sure to enable *all* applicable locales) |
| 12:40.55 | babilen | superuser_ir1: And yes: Please *read* what I and ChrisH write. |
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| 12:42.23 | rocketmagnet | i |
| 12:42.30 | rocketmagnet | i'm using also a wacom tablet |
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| 12:42.46 | superuser_ir1 | babilen: iam of for 5 min,and i dont read what are you said, |
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| 12:43.48 | superuser_ir1 | bebilen :i cant enable all applicable locales |
| 12:44.08 | babilen | superuser_ir1: Why not? |
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| 12:46.13 | superuser_ir1 | bebilenrun ,"dpkg-reconfigure locales " then select all then none , |
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| 12:47.24 | babilen | superuser_ir1: Did you select en_US.UTF-8 and fa_IR.UTF-8 ? May I see the output? Did you run "export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8" before that? Which locale do you select as default? |
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| 12:52.41 | saedelaere | babilen: thanks! |
| 12:53.29 | sje46 | thanks ChrisH |
| 12:53.52 | sweb1 | how can i extract myfile.tar that all files and folders modified time by now |
| 12:54.01 | sweb1 | i cant find useful option in man |
| 12:55.02 | ChrisH | sweb1: check for -m, --touch |
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| 13:03.10 | jonaskoelker | is there some way to say "apt-get upgrade, but pin pkg1..pkgn to version v1..vn just this once"? |
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| 13:06.01 | toxboi | jonaskoelker: You can use wajig |
| 13:06.03 | themill | jonaskoelker: "aptitude upgrade package:" |
| 13:06.21 | Bac0n | i like to add -s <ip-address> to dhclient but i cant find where |
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| 13:06.59 | babilen | jonaskoelker: See "man aptitude" for a discussion of the : + - ... suffixes to package names. |
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| 13:09.08 | phrearch | hello |
| 13:09.55 | phrearch | i created a git user, but want to add some custom path directive to .bashrc/.bash_profile . these files are not executed though it seems |
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| 13:11.49 | dawud | phrearch: what does that have to do with your git user? |
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| 13:12.32 | dawud | phrearch: I mean, it is not informational. the same reasoning applies to any new user. |
| 13:12.33 | jonaskoelker | all useful suggestions, but apparently aptitude doesn't want to upgrade much (just remove two libraries). Have I set difference release targets for apt vs. -itude? |
| 13:13.04 | dawud | phrearch: and what is your question, btw? |
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| 13:14.15 | phrearch | dawud: its actually executed just fine. sorry for wasting your time. it was a simple mistake in the .bashrc file itself |
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| 13:14.44 | dawud | phrearch: no it's not. It is sourced. |
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| 13:20.08 | jonaskoelker | hmm... |
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| 13:20.32 | jonaskoelker | apt-get seems to completely ignore my /etc/apt/preferences. Why might that be? Which information should I dig up? |
| 13:21.32 | babilen | jonaskoelker: Please read "/msg dpkg bat" and paste *all* relevant information (sources.list, apt-cache policy, command output, ...) to http://paste.debian.net . Furthermore tell us what you *really* want to achieve and what happens instead. |
| 13:21.36 | dkr | jonaskoelker: apt-cache policy |
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| 13:23.15 | weox | can i convert a primiry partition to logical partition ?? |
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| 13:24.31 | [M4rk0] | Hello |
| 13:25.17 | converge | i wanna do a fresh install of postgresql, I removed it with --purge option, but the roles are still there, how could I remove it all for a clean install ? |
| 13:25.52 | [M4rk0] | Please tell me how can I completely reinstall package with maintainer config etc... e.g. php |
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| 13:25.59 | jonaskoelker | trace of http://paste.debian.net/168919/ is at http://paste.debian.net/168918/ |
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| 13:26.51 | jonaskoelker | sources.list at http://paste.debian.net/168920/ |
| 13:27.19 | acemi | converge: maybe you need to purge postgresql-common too |
| 13:27.20 | themill | jonaskoelker: you'd need to show us your preferences file and tell us what's not working about that too |
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| 13:28.02 | [M4rk0] | anyone? |
| 13:28.15 | converge | acemi: love u <3 |
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| 13:28.58 | babilen | jonaskoelker: First and foremost: You can specific "main contrib non-free" on a single line. (e.g. "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free"). |
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| 13:30.04 | jonaskoelker | themill: course :) http://paste.debian.net/168922/ <-- `apt-get upgrade' wants to upgrade python2.7 in contravention of my pinning |
| 13:30.05 | themill | [M4rk0]: purging the package and then installing it is the easiest way; alternatively, remove the config file and then /msg dpkg confmiss. In both cases, make sure you're looking at the right package -- use dpkg -S to check |
| 13:30.19 | babilen | jonaskoelker: Secondly: You shouldn't mix stable with anything but backports (/msg dpkg bdo) and you shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list as you *will* run into problems once the next version of Debian has been released. (and your suddenly run into an upgrade) |
| 13:30.23 | [M4rk0] | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.30 | [M4rk0] | themill, thanx |
| 13:30.51 | jonaskoelker | babilen: wrt same-lining: I don't want to, that makes my scripted generation of sources.list harder |
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| 13:31.28 | themill | jonaskoelker: # is not a comment character in preferences; that may or may not be the issue here |
| 13:31.30 | jonaskoelker | babilen: secondly---okay; why not? |
| 13:31.51 | jonaskoelker | themill: 'til end of line, right? Not end of file? |
| 13:31.57 | karlpinc | jonaskoelker: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, particularly footnote 1. |
| 13:31.59 | themill | jonaskoelker: not at all |
| 13:32.11 | xecycle | Hello, I'm now an Arch user, want to try Debian. Does we allow easily creating a SCM package like Arch? That is, each time I build it, it will checkout the latest software from upstream then build it. |
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| 13:32.48 | jonaskoelker | themill: "a or b? // no" :) |
| 13:32.52 | jonaskoelker | not at all what? |
| 13:33.00 | karlpinc | jonaskoelker: And wrt using "stable", because stable becomes the new stable at some point and the right way to upgrade from stable to stable is to follow the release notes. Doing otherwise invites problems. |
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| 13:33.28 | babilen | jonaskoelker: Because the packages in stable and testing/unstable are not meant to be used together and you might quite likely pull in changes that break the system. (e.g. multiarch) -- If you need newer versions of specific packages you can install them from backports or backport them yourself. (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 13:33.34 | themill | jonaskoelker: it is not a comment character at all. It is just a syntax error. |
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| 13:34.28 | karlpinc | xecycle: See the <ssb> and <uupdate> factoids. ("/msg dpkg ssb" in your irc client for a msg from the bot) You will also want to check out the <introduction> <stable> and <overview> factoids. |
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| 13:35.18 | jonaskoelker | themill: ah, I misread you. Anyways, I moved the non-comments out, same issue |
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| 13:35.32 | sfsf32 | hello |
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| 13:35.37 | xecycle | karlpinc: Thanks, reading these. |
| 13:35.39 | jonaskoelker | also, that's independent of whether I put the file at /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d/99myprefs |
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| 13:36.33 | jonaskoelker | so I should just upgrade to testing if I don't want to run old stuff? :-) |
| 13:36.47 | jonaskoelker | (going by the stereotype here, not to dis debian) |
| 13:36.51 | sfsf32 | iceweasel keep crashing in a fresh squeeze installation, i have no extension installed. If i run it from a terminal i get "segmentation fault" when it crashes. Any suggestion? |
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| 13:37.31 | themill | jonaskoelker: "old stuff" is what is tested and actually works well together. |
| 13:37.34 | karlpinc | jonaskoelker: If you're willing to have things break, and willing to go without security support. |
| 13:37.42 | babilen | jonaskoelker: That would be a saner option than mixing stable with testing/unstable. It is, however, associated with a number of problems as well. (e.g. no security support at all) |
| 13:38.38 | karlpinc | sfsf32: Check that your hardware is working with memtest86+, preferably run overnight in case the problem is heat related. |
| 13:38.41 | jonaskoelker | fair enough, I'll think about which _one_ horse I'll ride |
| 13:39.01 | jonaskoelker | anyways, about /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 13:39.12 | xecycle | karlpinc: The uupdate method seems to need a tarball. In case of SCM checkouts it's usually a waste of time to build a tarball from the tree, and, in most cases, a SCM checkout is quite different from a release tarball --- most are not providing the configure script, need to run autotools. |
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| 13:39.31 | sfsf32 | karlpinc, i'm sure the peroblem is not heat related |
| 13:39.45 | karlpinc | sfsf32: But is it hardware related? |
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| 13:40.12 | sfsf32 | karlpinc, i don't know i have no problems with other applications |
| 13:40.43 | jonaskoelker | which might apt ignore it? |
| 13:40.48 | jonaskoelker | s/which/why |
| 13:40.53 | karlpinc | xecycle: You could use the debtags package to search for alternatives, or see packages.debian.org. Better yet, tell us why you need the very latest and perhaps we can suggest a way to meet your need. |
| 13:41.56 | karlpinc | sfsf32: Iceweasel sucks ram, and so can be an indicator of ram problems. Run the tester and see. |
| 13:42.14 | sfsf32 | karlpinc, ok, i will try |
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| 13:42.21 | jonaskoelker | no ideas? |
| 13:43.21 | jonaskoelker | also, is mixing testing with squeeze-security-updates kosher? |
| 13:43.32 | karlpinc | jonaskoelker: No. |
| 13:43.39 | xecycle | karlpinc: E.g. I have been using the latest Emacs for quite some time; also, I built DBus from git, to add systemd support in my Arch Linux. I know in case of DBus I can extract out the patch, and with Emacs the pre-release package; but I also use some small utilities that haven't released a stable version yet. Those could be only obtained from their SCM. |
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| 13:45.16 | karlpinc | xecycle: I can't say. If you don't get an answer now try again later. |
| 13:46.05 | xecycle | karlpinc: Thank you anyway. I think this question is not very suitable for a mailing list, so am asking here. |
| 13:46.08 | karlpinc | xecycle: There is also <stow> and <stow usage>. YMMV. |
| 13:46.16 | deuterium | hia, in aptitude, when hitting 'g' and then it displays packages in magenta that will be removed, if then hitting "ok", will those be removed? how can i cancel this? ctrl-c? |
| 13:46.43 | Cryp71c | I have a driver looking (in various places) for libcrypto.so.10 (a red hat naming scheme, perhaps?) does anyone know if that is part of openssl 0.9.8 or openssl 1.0 ? (I'm on a debian system trying to get this to work properly) |
| 13:47.01 | xecycle | karlpinc: That symlink farm program? Hmm, seems like a choice. |
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| 13:47.51 | karlpinc | xecycle: Yah. Doesn't help to satify dependences but for something that sits on top of the toolchain (emacs) it should work. |
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| 13:48.01 | francio | Hi |
| 13:48.20 | xecycle | karlpinc: Yeah, with that I'll lose the package management features. |
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| 13:49.21 | francio | I can't get apt-get to work properly on the Xen DomUs on debian squeeze |
| 13:49.21 | francio | < may be a problem with ssl? |
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| 13:50.26 | esto | Cryp71c: 1.0 |
| 13:50.31 | esto | http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/445451-libcrypto-so-10-a.html |
| 13:51.02 | Cryp71c | esto, looks like debian doesn't have a package for libssl 1.0 in main, do I need to go to backports to that? |
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| 13:52.54 | dvs | !tell Cryp71c about ssb |
| 13:53.36 | themill | Cryp71c, dvs: I can't imagine backporting libssl will end well |
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| 13:55.57 | Cryp71c | themill, still getting back into the linux/debian side of things, so where should I go now if I need libssl 1.0? |
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| 13:56.55 | Llywelyn | Hello everybody |
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| 13:57.32 | esto | debian testing Cryp71c |
| 13:57.41 | esto | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openssl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 13:58.26 | themill | Cryp71c: I'm yet to understand why you need a newer ssl |
| 13:58.48 | Cryp71c | themill, I have a database driver which requires it? |
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| 13:59.10 | Cryp71c | I'm confused, why do most people need newer versions of packages other than they have stuff that depends on that newer package? |
| 13:59.14 | themill | sounds like it needs recompiling for the ssl that is in squeeze |
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| 13:59.55 | themill | Cryp71c: the usual reason is because they like bigger version numbers.... and 99% of the time, they're just making life hard for everyone (themselves and us) |
| 14:00.28 | Cryp71c | themill, I'm compiling it, actually..and it is asking for a libssl .so, I can softlink the .so file and give it 0.9.8, but since it was asking for 1.0 I wasn't sure that was a good idea. |
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| 14:00.41 | Cryp71c | Guess I'll give it a try |
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| 14:11.49 | GabrieleV | Hello, need a clarification on sudoers. Why this one is not valid ? http://pastebin.com/AqyWg6b5 |
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| 14:38.15 | ChrisH | phaidros: did you read man limits.conf ? |
| 14:39.37 | keith4 | There's a package that I have installed that includes an unwanted .htaccess file. I delete it every time I upgrade the package, since it keeps coming back. Is there a way to persist this deletion? |
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| 14:46.48 | secret_hamster | anyone here using ocfs2, particularly with respect to clustering using SANs |
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| 14:47.25 | secret_hamster | I'm trying to figure out why I have to manually start ocfs2 service |
| 14:48.05 | secret_hamster | if I try to mount the san partition after reboot I get this error-> mount.ocfs2: Unable to access cluster service while trying to join the group |
| 14:48.20 | secret_hamster | am I needing to use pacemaker? |
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| 14:57.17 | mjt | Hello. Got a system (wheezy) which has issues with audio. Pulseaudio is installed. First, all apps prefers HDMI output even if nothing is connected there, pavucontrol can be used to direct each new app to the right sound device but it is very annoying, and on reboot it restores to hdmi. And second, macromedia flash produce no sound at all. Any tips? |
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| 15:01.57 | ||arifaX | I want to have the IP-address of my VMs on the logon screen. Is that possible? - Tried a little bit with scripts and services but it did not work. Is there maybe something ready for primetime, already? |
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| 15:03.21 | babilen | mjt: For flash you need something like http://paste.debian.net/168933/ in /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc for flash. Not sure about the HDMI though but #pulseaudio might be able to help with that. Please note that we have #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for testing/unstable support. |
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| 15:03.54 | mjt | (this started when i upgraded to wheezy today :) |
| 15:04.09 | babilen | mjt: Welcome to wheezy and its brokenness! |
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| 15:05.19 | mjt | that file is provided by pulseaudio package as /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf -- it is broken in wheezy but has correction in sid |
| 15:05.28 | mjt | (that content not that file) |
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| 15:06.28 | mjt | I'd love to just remove pulseaudio, but quite something depends on it. |
| 15:06.50 | mjt | (locally i mean, not in debian) |
| 15:08.22 | mjt | ok. removed pulse (to test), and now both probs are gone :) |
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| 15:20.09 | ||arifaX | lost his scroll buffer Argh! |
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| 15:23.02 | __zero | I installed squeeze on a virtual machine while I was at uni using the net installer, when I came home and tested the connection it looks for the proxy that I set up during the installation, I want to turn it off but I can't find it. any ideas? |
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| 15:23.50 | ||arifaX | __zero, it is in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 15:23.53 | themill | __zero: should be in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 15:24.43 | __zero | ohh I see it, thank you guys |
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| 15:25.40 | cire | I am going to buy a new gaphics adapter, and want to connect 3 displays (2xDVI, 1xHDMI) with resolutions 1920x1080, 1920x1200 and 1280x1024. I only have pci express 1.1 with 16x lanes. I have no clue whether this should be fine or not. Do you think this may work? (also, most of the graphics adaptors have pci express 2.0 which should be downwards compatible, right?) |
| 15:25.52 | cire | ohhh, not a real debian related question, sorry |
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| 15:33.36 | hell_razer | when u change sata mode from ide to ahci, my sustem doenst boot, stoped at loading grub, will grub-install fix it? |
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| 15:41.24 | keith4 | hell_razer: that's not really something that you can change, unless you plan to restore/reinstall the entire system |
| 15:41.25 | keith4 | hell_razer: but grub-install is certainly worth a shot! |
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| 15:44.29 | T-Guy | installed "kde-plasma-desktop" on debian but when I log in to KDE it's not connected to internet and there's no place to choose wifi available networks. What the hell should I do? |
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| 15:45.09 | hyisck | open a terminal, T-Guy |
| 15:45.28 | T-Guy | then?! |
| 15:45.35 | hyisck | do "sudo ifconfig -a" |
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| 15:46.20 | T-Guy | is that all I should do? |
| 15:46.30 | hyisck | no. Do you see the wireless interface there? |
| 15:46.34 | hyisck | wlan* something, probably |
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| 15:47.08 | T-Guy | yes, there's wlan0 |
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| 15:47.30 | themill | T-Guy: squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 15:47.35 | T-Guy | squeeze |
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| 15:48.46 | themill | T-Guy: enable the squeeze-backports repo (/msg dpkg bdo) and then "aptitude update; aptitude -t squeeze-backports install plasma-widget-networkmanagement" you can then add the widget to your desktop or task bar by clicking on the plasma cashew and "Add widgets" |
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| 15:49.37 | T-Guy | so much to do :( |
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| 15:49.54 | hyisck | do what he says... I know squat about kde... |
| 15:50.29 | me-1 | hi...just installed Debian..when i try to log in i get "authentication failure" I can login as root in recovery mode btw |
| 15:50.47 | themill | T-Guy: I'm assuming that your wireless chip is otherwise working and we don't need to play a "get the firmware and build the driver" dance |
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| 15:51.07 | T-Guy | just typed sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-network management, seems it was not necessary to do all that repos stuff :) |
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| 15:51.36 | themill | it is |
| 15:51.59 | hyisck | you're getting the password wrong, me-1 |
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| 15:53.07 | me-1 | hyisck, i think i remember the pass word , I have reset it by "root passwd" still not working |
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| 15:54.23 | T-Guy | themill, the driver dance was necessary when I installed Debian. I did that to enable wireless on my gnome. but I KDE it doesn't work. The packages are now downloading. I'll test and tell you about it :D |
| 15:55.07 | themill | I can tell you that plasma-network-management in squeeze is unlikely to work well... just perhaps I had a reason for telling you to use the package from backports? |
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| 15:55.45 | T-Guy | ow, thanks, then let me try both |
| 15:56.07 | hyisck | I don't know, then, me-1... maybe check if /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- are the same... |
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| 16:01.40 | ihsw | how do i upgrade svn-1.6 to 1.7 |
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| 16:02.00 | hyisck | hdb2, man chmod ... read about sticky bit |
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| 16:02.55 | hdb2 | ah, thank you. I haven't spent any time with sticky bits. |
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| 16:16.52 | nice | hello |
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| 16:18.10 | n-iCe | I want to ask something again, I used Debian stable, and you guys could not help me, so a recommendation to upgrade to testing was given, it worked my laptop built-in mic works in testing, how can I make it work in stable? yesterday someone told me to upgrade the kernel what do you think guys? |
| 16:18.21 | me-1 | help me to login into gnome , I get authentication failure. I can login as root in recovery mode |
| 16:18.33 | T-Guy | any simple ways to install truetype fonts in Debian?! |
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| 16:20.46 | themill | !install font |
| 16:20.46 | dpkg | To install <fonts> for just one user, copy them into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <install font kde>, <install font gnome>). To install system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
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| 16:21.50 | dutchfish | n-iCe, have you compared the outputs of lspci -nn from stable and testing and compared to outcome of noth systems on 'lsmod | grep snd' ? |
| 16:21.58 | n-iCe | dutchfish: no |
| 16:22.03 | dutchfish | s/noth/both |
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| 16:22.20 | n-iCe | dutchfish: after comparing, what to do? |
| 16:22.40 | dutchfish | n-iCe, that would give us a clue, if it is kernel or userland |
| 16:23.00 | n-iCe | oh |
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| 16:23.08 | n-iCe | dutchfish: will you be around for a while? |
| 16:23.59 | dutchfish | n-iCe, prolly not, but i am daily on around this time. You can try, or others will help. |
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| 16:26.40 | n-iCe | dutchfish: ok, so what info should I Get to compare |
| 16:27.27 | dutchfish | n-iCe, compare 'lspci -nn' 'lsmod | grep snd' |
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| 16:28.31 | dutchfish | n-iCe, that will quickly reveal if it is kernel related |
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| 16:28.41 | n-iCe | what info should I Get to compare |
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| 16:28.54 | dutchfish | n-iCe, anything audio related |
| 16:28.58 | n-iCe | ok |
| 16:29.02 | n-iCe | sorry, that's was multiple |
| 16:29.08 | dutchfish | np |
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| 16:43.44 | n-iCe | dutchfish: I have it |
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| 16:43.50 | n-iCe | dutchfish: now I'm gonna reinstall stable, ok? |
| 16:44.14 | dutchfish | n-iCe, its alot i ask, but if you determined, yes. |
| 16:45.03 | dutchfish | n-iCe, or use a live cd |
| 16:45.28 | dutchfish | n-iCe, that safe you the trouble of a reinstall. |
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| 16:46.31 | n-iCe | anyone knwos the name of the sound record the package name? |
| 16:46.33 | n-iCe | can't find it |
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| 16:47.16 | dutchfish | n-iCe, you mean audacity ? |
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| 16:47.56 | n-iCe | not sure, let me install it |
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| 16:50.34 | n-iCe | the question is dutchfish how can I test my mic to know it is working |
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| 16:52.27 | dutchfish | n-iCe, several ways, it depends on you needs. You could use it in audacity, vlc, mumble and alot of ocmmandline tools |
| 16:52.32 | dizzylizzy | apt-cache searches are suddenly taking between 10-15 seconds to run, unless I su and run `apt-get check` immediately beforehand. Likely causes? |
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| 16:53.18 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 16:53.27 | dutchfish | n-iCe, http://linuxconfig.org/how-to-test-microphone-with-audio-linux-sound-architecture-alsa |
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| 17:02.51 | nsadmin | in apache2 sites-enabled, found one file whose first line is <VirtualHost *:80>... if I change the 80 to 8000, would that cause apache to listen at 8000 port instead? |
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| 17:03.24 | dutchfish | nsadmin, if and only if you have configured that port also in another config for apache2. |
| 17:03.35 | Diopter | Requires a listen directive, iirc |
| 17:03.52 | nsadmin | in debian, where would that be? |
| 17:04.09 | Diopter | Installing/greping ;P |
| 17:04.52 | dutchfish | nsadmin, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/bind.html |
| 17:04.53 | Diopter | nsadmin: Looks like /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
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| 17:05.17 | Diopter | nsadmin: NameVirtualHost *:80, Listen 80, and conditional Listen 443's |
| 17:05.41 | Diopter | nsadmin: Meaning you should only need to use <VirtualHost [host]:[port]> |
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| 17:06.10 | Diopter | Now to remove apache again and wash my hands ;P |
| 17:06.37 | nsadmin | thanks... appreciate your help |
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| 17:06.55 | Diopter | Sure thing |
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| 17:23.58 | jelly-home | nsadmin: "no". zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 17:32.54 | frdsfds | hmmm gnome or kde? |
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| 17:34.28 | Sm0ke0ut | that's a personal choice |
| 17:34.49 | Sm0ke0ut | there's no easy way to compare the 2 as it depends per individual :) |
| 17:35.03 | frdsfds | lol Ive been out of linux so long I dont know which is better, unity almost blinded me |
| 17:35.35 | frdsfds | Im like wow, ubuntu has really taken a step backwards, maybe time to check out debian again :D |
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| 17:36.01 | frdsfds | I dunno, a friend of mine is all like mint this, mint that, dunno |
| 17:36.30 | frdsfds | lol mint reminds of me of windows xp somehow |
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| 17:39.07 | hanswurscht | hi. I get the following error when reconfiguring sysv-rc: insserv: script vzreboot: service vzreboot already provided! |
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| 17:45.28 | dawud | hanswurscht: have you copied a sysv init script to use it with some other stuff? |
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| 17:51.08 | Mogget | Does Debian repositories have anything similar to mathlab? I would like software that shows me graphs of different calculations. |
| 17:51.32 | Mogget | It does not have to be as complicated, it just need to give me answers and graphs preferable. |
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| 17:52.05 | BigTuna- | debian default install.. can't get a beep from the console. Anyone know how to make this thing beep? |
| 17:52.21 | BigTuna- | I should say "minimal" install |
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| 17:52.56 | Diopter | BigTuna-: You'll likely need the pcspkr module installed, and may need to unmute the 'beep' mixer in alsa (alsamixer from the alsa-utils package) |
| 17:52.59 | hanswurscht | dawud: no |
| 17:53.03 | Diopter | BigTuna-: Then you can echo -e "\a" |
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| 17:53.37 | BigTuna- | yeah I tried the echo -e "\a" and got nothing |
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| 17:53.48 | BigTuna- | checked and made sure pcspkr was installed using the lsmod |
| 17:53.59 | Diopter | BigTuna-: Ok. So check your volumes. |
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| 17:54.43 | BigTuna- | through alsa-utils I assume? (installing package now) |
| 17:54.56 | Diopter | Yus. |
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| 17:55.25 | Diopter | alsamixer, hit F6 if needed to switch soundcards, 'm' mutes/unmutes a mixer |
| 17:55.45 | Diopter | Most modern systems don't have a separate individual speaker, they just implement system beeps through the soundcard |
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| 17:58.51 | BigTuna- | got it! |
| 17:58.57 | BigTuna- | well out of the headphone jack anyway |
| 17:59.02 | BigTuna- | which is the speaker |
| 17:59.10 | BigTuna- | now to get it to do that from my java program |
| 17:59.11 | BigTuna- | thanks |
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| 18:24.58 | pbase | i normally use the gui network manager. but when booting in rescue mode, i am not aware of how to start it |
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| 18:26.21 | GapingPenguin | jajaja Oh Ikonia! Going to fill that rectum full of clamato while I have you tied to my bedpost! Then I will fuck your ass all night on a meth and cialis binge until you bleed and are full of my cum! |
| 18:26.26 | pbase | also is it possible to change the default super admin account(root) name |
| 18:26.40 | GapingPenguin | jajajaja pbase Oh Ikonia! Going to fill that rectum full of clamato while I have you tied to my bedpost! Then I will fuck your ass all night on a meth and cialis binge until you bleed and are full of my cum! |
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| 18:27.22 | GapingPenguin | |dm| jajaja Oh Ikonia! Going to fill that rectum full of clamato while I have you tied to my bedpost! Then I will fuck your ass all night on a meth and cialis binge until you bleed and are full of my cum! |
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| 18:29.29 | frdsfds | wow gapingpenguin how do you really feel? |
| 18:29.38 | GapingPenguin | frdsfds Oh Ikonia! Going to fill that rectum full of clamato while I have you tied to my bedpost! Then I will fuck your ass all night on a meth and cialis binge until you bleed and are full of my cum! |
| 18:29.46 | frdsfds | lol |
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| 18:31.09 | TomLM | I keep getting "dd: opening `/dev/sr0': Read-only file system" when burning debian.iso to my dvd. |
| 18:32.02 | TrollinPenguin | hey is there like a launchpad.net equivalent for debian? |
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| 18:32.52 | Diopter | TomLM: Because you're trying to dd it...? |
| 18:32.59 | TomLM | Yes. |
| 18:33.03 | Diopter | TomLM: install wodim and quit doing it wrong :P |
| 18:33.08 | TomLM | Okay. |
| 18:33.13 | jelly-home | TomLM: use growisofs, or perhaps wodim |
| 18:33.27 | TomLM | Thanks. |
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| 18:33.38 | Na_Klar | which file system is suitable for large amounts of files (> 100k, avg. size 6mb)? |
| 18:34.16 | jelly-home | and hope you have the just right combination of kernel/burner/media to avoid frisbees |
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| 18:35.12 | Diopter | Na_Klar: I wouldn't call ~100k range large amounts, relatively speaking. Most current filesystems would handle that fine. |
| 18:35.26 | jelly-home | TrollinPenguin: which aspect of launchpad are you interested in? There are different venues for bug lookups, package information, development and source tracking |
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| 18:36.19 | Diopter | TrollinPenguin: I'm not sure why you would want a launchpad.net for debian. For one thing, lp is so slow if you're not careful, time will go backwards and all your commits will revert. |
| 18:36.34 | horelicious | diopter lol I have a fantasy about doxing the staffers and tracking them down one-by-one for a brutal raping! I will take a cialis beforehand and then smoke some meth so that after tying them down to their own beds, I can jizz in and out of their asses all night long until they bleed and their faces are covered in my cum! |
| 18:36.36 | Diopter | I'm pretty sure they inserted a "sleep 5" into every web page |
| 18:36.48 | Na_Klar | diopter, okay, which fs should I definately _not_ use for this purpose? (besides outdated ones) |
| 18:36.58 | horelicious | na_klar I confide in you that I have a fantasy about doxing the staffers and tracking them down one-by-one for a brutal raping! I will take a cialis beforehand and then smoke some meth so that after tying them down to their own beds, I can jizz in and out of their asses all night long until they bleed and their faces are covered in my cum! |
| 18:37.18 | Diopter | !ops horelicious |
| 18:37.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: diopter complains about: horelicious |
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| 18:37.49 | Diopter | Na_Klar: ext2/3 suck at large dirents (directories with lots of files). Uhm... UFS is probably not great at them. |
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| 18:38.36 | Diopter | Na_Klar: jfs, btrfs, xfs, ext4... even reiserfs (most recentish) shouldn't bat an eye at 100k files. |
| 18:38.48 | jelly-home | peterS: that's been going on all day long now |
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| 18:39.12 | TrollinPenguin | I used to do a lot of translations for ubuntu on launchpad actually |
| 18:39.36 | Diopter | TrollinPenguin: I like the general idea of LP, I just want them to upgrade the toaster cluster they're running it on. |
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| 18:39.41 | TrollinPenguin | but since ubuntu went sideways crazy I stopped using it completely |
| 18:40.02 | Na_Klar | diopter, okay ext4 sounds good. What about ntfs btw, just for the intrest? |
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| 18:40.14 | TrollinPenguin | ntfs ftw |
| 18:40.20 | Diopter | Na_Klar: Also handles them well, actually. So does HFS+. |
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| 18:40.28 | Na_Klar | fine .. thanks a lot |
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| 18:40.48 | jelly-home | Na_Klar: ntfs has no linux fsck, which can be problematic |
| 18:40.48 | Diopter | Na_Klar: Differences start to come out when you get to something more like 5 mil files in a single directory. 20 mil files across a partition... |
| 18:40.50 | Diopter | Etc |
| 18:40.56 | priapismo | diopter I have a fantasy about doxing the staffers and tracking them down one-by-one for a brutal raping! I will take a cialis beforehand and then smoke some meth so that after tying them down to their own beds, I can jizz in and out of their asses all night long until they bleed and their faces are covered in my cum! |
| 18:41.02 | digdilem | cpu overhead when mounting ntfs is HUGE |
| 18:41.06 | TrollinPenguin | true linux + ntfs isnt my face |
| 18:41.09 | TrollinPenguin | fave* |
| 18:41.11 | jelly-home | !ops priapismo |
| 18:41.12 | priapismo | trollinpenguin jajajaja I have a fantasy about doxing the staffers and tracking them down one-by-one for a brutal raping! I will take a cialis beforehand and then smoke some meth so that after tying them down to their own beds, I can jizz in and out of their asses all night long until they bleed and their faces are covered in my cum! |
| 18:41.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: priapismo |
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| 18:41.36 | Diopter | Neat. priapismo Is coming from a different IP than the previous troll-bot. Looks like they're botnetting |
| 18:41.42 | TrollinPenguin | not sure I care for cialis actually |
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| 18:47.56 | Na_Klar | jelly-home, diopter, yeah I see. Actually it is a partition which will temporary hold uncompressed image sequences of production films. |
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| 18:48.47 | dizzylizzy | wow i install a console audio player and it pulls in something that wants to change my MAC address o_o |
| 18:48.49 | jelly-home | Na_Klar: what kind of iops are you going to need there |
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| 18:49.01 | Diopter | Na_Klar: Then I would recommend ext4 or xfs. But if it's production film data, I presume you have a professional RAID controller with battery-backed cache |
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| 18:49.25 | Diopter | Na_Klar: In which case XFS is probably the better choice, assuming you correctly set the controll and drive caches on/off |
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| 18:49.59 | Na_Klar | jelly-home, 1.5gbit/sec |
| 18:50.12 | Na_Klar | write |
| 18:50.26 | jelly-home | Na_Klar: streaming? random io? n streams? |
| 18:50.29 | Diopter | Na_Klar: That's throughput. What kind of IOps? |
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| 18:50.39 | Diopter | I.e., how many sources of reading/writing simultaneously |
| 18:50.41 | jelly-home | Na_Klar: ext3 and xfs are the most mature options; I don't have personal experience with xfs but when tuned well it's supposed to be quite a bit faster than ext3 |
| 18:51.04 | Diopter | jelly-home: It is, but ext4 is vastly superior to ext3 and I would consider it as stable as XFS on Linux. |
| 18:51.27 | Diopter | ext4 and xfs are very close in performance with a lot of cores and large drive arrays |
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| 18:51.57 | Diopter | xfs makes some assumptions about caching that are important to get right on the drive/controller side |
| 18:52.05 | Diopter | Otherwise you can lose data in a power loss. |
| 18:52.30 | jelly-home | got bitten by ext4 as close as 2.6.36-ish |
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| 18:53.10 | Diopter | Oh I know. Me too. But xfs has some nasty warts that have been recent too. |
| 18:53.16 | jelly-home | if (two years passed) {retry ext4} |
| 18:53.44 | jelly-home | Diopter: meh. zfs then! :-D |
| 18:53.46 | Na_Klar | I don't get that iops question. Aren't they just a benchmark measurment? |
| 18:53.47 | Diopter | If you want a very stable modern high performance storage setup, you'll probably be using an embedded device that runs BSD inside and uses ZFS |
| 18:53.52 | Diopter | Na_Klar: No. |
| 18:53.53 | a-l-e_ | has anybody an idea how i can work around http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672684 |
| 18:54.06 | Diopter | IOps = I/O per second. Simultaneous streams of input and/or output. |
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| 18:54.32 | Diopter | Na_Klar: Throughput indicates the raw performance with the assumption that the drive head is Only reading or Only writing, one stream of data. |
| 18:54.41 | Na_Klar | The ssd will sequentially be written from one source till the disk ist full. then the space gets freed |
| 18:54.45 | Diopter | Na_Klar: IOps indicate parallel access, which makes access latency an issue |
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| 18:54.52 | Diopter | Ah. Well. You didn't say you had SSDs :) |
| 18:55.03 | eyaculado | diopter OMG pici... Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
| 18:55.06 | eyaculado | na_klar OMG pici... Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
| 18:55.09 | jelly-home | !ops eyaculado |
| 18:55.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: eyaculado |
| 18:55.21 | Diopter | Rotating storage has very limited IOps under high throughput. SSDs have ridiculous IOps, load or not |
| 18:55.38 | jelly-home | ramdisks are nice, too |
| 18:55.39 | Diopter | Na_Klar: If you had a traditional rotating storage system, it's a vital question to understand. SSDs not so much :) |
| 18:55.48 | Na_Klar | i see |
| 18:55.59 | burhan | which is the better "tool" to do command line text filtering - I'm not sure which to use awk or grep, basicaly I need to search the output of a command, by piping it into either awk or grep - and then find the string between the last pair of ( ) |
| 18:56.23 | Diopter | burhan: Is it multiline output? |
| 18:56.48 | esto | gawk -F'(|)' '{ print $NF}' |
| 18:57.03 | burhan | That's weird - it looks like it, but when I do tail -1 it prints the entire output :/ |
| 18:57.09 | burhan | which is why I am here. |
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| 18:57.18 | GNU\colossus | tail -n1 |
| 18:58.01 | Diopter | burhan: esto's given you a fairly simple solution. He set the field separator to ( or ), then printed the last field. |
| 18:58.18 | Diopter | There are other approaches, but they're going to be similar with awk/sed/grep |
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| 18:58.57 | culeado | OMG pici... Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
| 18:58.59 | culeado | jajaja |
| 18:59.24 | jelly-home | esto, burhan: if it's _between_ the last pair, and there's no stray ) or ( afterwards, should that not say $(NF-1) in place of $NF |
| 19:00.01 | esto | true |
| 19:00.02 | hyisck | I really, really wish I didn't speak Spanish =\. |
| 19:00.18 | jelly-home | heheh |
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| 19:01.01 | burhan | esto: that's not working :/ |
| 19:01.33 | Diopter | burhan: Can you paste the output somewhere and link us? |
| 19:01.39 | burhan | yeap doing it now |
| 19:01.40 | esto | sample line and expected output ? |
| 19:01.42 | Diopter | ^ |
| 19:02.22 | burhan | yeap |
| 19:02.23 | burhan | hold on |
| 19:04.18 | burhan | https://gist.github.com/2704234 |
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| 19:04.52 | dalias | since upgrading recently (older sid to current sid), network manager is broken |
| 19:05.05 | dalias | i get an error that i'm not authorized whenever i try to do anything using the applet |
| 19:05.08 | dizzylizzy | what's y'all's prefered way of reading the mailing lists? |
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| 19:05.26 | dalias | i am not using gdm |
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| 19:05.47 | mamon | dalias OMG pici... Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
| 19:05.49 | mamon | burhan OMG pici... Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
| 19:05.53 | hyisck | Use sed, burhan |
| 19:05.55 | jelly-home | !ops mamon |
| 19:05.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: mamon |
| 19:06.12 | TrollinPenguin | lol mamon I dont understand |
| 19:06.27 | burhan | hyisck: I was originally trying to use sed but I can't get the expression right. |
| 19:06.30 | hyisck | sed 's/.*(\(.*\))[^)]*$/\1/' <-- this should work |
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| 19:08.31 | hyisck | only an unmatched ) after the last () will break it |
| 19:08.34 | burhan | hyisck: with that I get the line including all the python stuff. |
| 19:08.51 | Diopter | burhan: cat test.txt | tail -n1 | sed -r 's|^.*\((.*)\).*$|\1|' <- works fine |
| 19:08.52 | burhan | but even then, I can't seem to cut it to get *just* the line itself. |
| 19:08.59 | hyisck | use -n and p |
| 19:09.04 | Diopter | burhan: Using tail simplifies your parsing logic. |
| 19:09.04 | hyisck | sed -n '.../p' |
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| 19:09.23 | hyisck | yes, do what diopter says |
| 19:09.35 | hyisck | p won't help 'cause other lines might also match the pattern |
| 19:09.50 | Diopter | nods |
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| 19:10.53 | burhan | I got to the point were the >>> ( and the trailing ) is stripped |
| 19:10.59 | burhan | using the last sed |
| 19:11.06 | burhan | but, I still get the Python 2.7.3 part |
| 19:11.24 | burhan | and I think this is something that may be redirecting to stderr |
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| 19:11.54 | Diopter | burhan: I copied your python output into my test.txt file and ran that command. If it's going to stderr, just combine it into stdout. pythong blah 2>&1 | tail ... |
| 19:12.30 | burhan | yeap, stderr was the trick! |
| 19:12.36 | hyisck | if it's the last line you don't really need tail |
| 19:12.38 | burhan | I had placed the redirection in the wrong end :/ |
| 19:12.54 | hyisck | you can use sed -n '$ s/.../\1/p' |
| 19:13.07 | Diopter | hyisck: True. Lots of ways to skin this cat :) |
| 19:13.19 | hyisck | yes... as often if the case with text processing =P |
| 19:13.23 | Diopter | hehe |
| 19:13.32 | hyisck | I'm not sure whether the $ address is a GNU extension or not, though |
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| 19:13.42 | Diopter | Don't believe so. |
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| 19:14.56 | hyisck | sed is so useful, though... it's well worth spending some time learning it |
| 19:15.02 | hyisck | just run away from its man page |
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| 19:15.09 | burhan | hrmm, now I need another sed to remove the ' ' and the , |
| 19:15.18 | burhan | but I'll try my hand at it first |
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| 19:16.54 | cryptic | ugh, for whatever reason, my second graphics card isn't being detected by X |
| 19:17.46 | burhan | okay I tried lol |
| 19:18.03 | burhan | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 19:18.21 | burhan | but I don't have any erroneous ( that aren't part of my capture group |
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| 19:18.35 | burhan | sed -r 's|^'(.*)',$|\1|' |
| 19:18.46 | hyisck | you want to escape those () |
| 19:18.49 | hyisck | \(\) |
| 19:19.01 | hyisck | you can't nest ' |
| 19:19.01 | Diopter | burhan: Don't need to with -r, which is why I used it. heheh |
| 19:19.06 | Diopter | It's the ' s |
| 19:19.10 | burhan | but it will understand I want that capture group? |
| 19:19.16 | burhan | ah yeah the ' |
| 19:19.49 | burhan | replaced the outermost ' with " |
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| 19:19.58 | burhan | but I get the same output as if the expression never ran :/ |
| 19:20.09 | hyisck | why the double quotes? |
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| 19:20.38 | Diopter | burhan: If you want to remove each instance of ' and , you'll need something slightly different and simpler. sed 's|[',]||' |
| 19:20.43 | SemenSalado | omg diopter OMG Dax! Hay que contarte algo importante.. Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
| 19:20.45 | SemenSalado | ooooooo |
| 19:20.47 | SemenSalado | jajajaja |
| 19:20.50 | SemenSalado | chinguen a sus madres |
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| 19:21.06 | hyisck | Holy ghost... |
| 19:21.09 | Diopter | burhan: By putting the $ in there, you're never going to match what you want to match. |
| 19:21.13 | hyisck | I need to unlearn spanish as quickly as possible. |
| 19:21.16 | burhan | yeah I realized that |
| 19:21.17 | Diopter | hyisck: lol |
| 19:21.26 | burhan | so I remved the ^ and the $ |
| 19:21.44 | burhan | Diopter: yeah why didn't I think of that! |
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| 19:23.08 | burhan | shouldn't that be ['|,] ? |
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| 19:23.20 | Devilholk | How do I specify a certain version of a packet? Latest version of pyqt4-dev-tools gives me segfault and people on forums says one should downgrade it. |
| 19:23.27 | Diopter | burhan: Also, you can combine the seds if you like. sed -r 's|^.*\((.*)\).*$|\1|; s|[',]||g' should work |
| 19:23.55 | Diopter | burhan: No pipe, [ ] specifies "or" already for the character set. And you need the g on the end to global (match all instances in the line) |
| 19:24.34 | Diopter | Devilholk: It's quite literally at the top of the manpage :) |
| 19:24.41 | Diopter | Devilholk: Can do it with apt-get or aptitude |
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| 19:24.49 | Devilholk | Diopter: Haha, ok, thanks =) |
| 19:24.57 | Diopter | Devilholk: You might end up needing to download it from an archive, though, depending on the age, and dpkg -i it. |
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| 19:25.42 | dalias | wtf is with networkmanager? :( |
| 19:25.50 | dalias | and how does one get it to work without gdm anymore? |
| 19:26.38 | Devilholk | Diopter: Thanks, I shouild have had man apt-get to begin with. I just didnt know where to look |
| 19:26.48 | Diopter | Devilholk: No worries |
| 19:27.24 | nsadmin | how is nm even related to gdm? |
| 19:27.46 | nsadmin | "they're both x clients"? |
| 19:27.59 | hyisck | he used both in the same sentence, that's how! |
| 19:28.12 | Diopter | nsadmin: My guess is they actually mean network-manager-gnome, or the nmapplet for a tray. Probably brings in gnome dependencies that snag gdm, or something |
| 19:28.32 | Diopter | I try to stay away from the whole ugly stack |
| 19:28.46 | hyisck | gnome, you mean? |
| 19:28.53 | Diopter | Correct |
| 19:28.57 | hyisck | yes, me too |
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| 19:29.37 | hyisck | most people only need 5 lines in their interfaces file and it's all good forever |
| 19:29.38 | hyisck | =P |
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| 19:29.41 | nsadmin | Diopter, oh, we're talking about deps... ok, good enuf :) |
| 19:29.45 | dialationstation | nsadmin OMG MrMist! Hay que contarte algo importante.. Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
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| 19:29.56 | dialationstation | OMG MrMist! Hay que contarte algo importante.. Tengo muchas ganas de violar tu culito apretado hasta que te desangres por el ano. Fumaré el cristal para poderme venir tantas veces hasta el punto de llenar tu puto recto con mi semen. ajajajaja Serás mi puto. :D |
| 19:30.19 | Diopter | hyisck: Pretty much. Unless you're showing off that snazzy new ultraportable at hip local coffee shops. |
| 19:30.31 | Diopter | Gots to have the wifis yo |
| 19:30.54 | hyisck | heh |
| 19:31.10 | fkm | Hi there. I wanted to remove a package which is indirectly needed by the kernel (cpio -> initramfs-tools -> linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64). I aborted the removal but now I have a "Status: deinstall" on the kernel package which has me worried. How can I change the status back to "install"? |
| 19:31.11 | hyisck | I've never brought a laptop to a coffee shop... |
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| 19:31.53 | dawud | fkm: aptitude reinstall cpio |
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| 19:31.57 | dialationstation | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.59 | dialationstation | llllll |
| 19:31.59 | dialationstation | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.03 | dialationstation | vayanse a la verga |
| 19:32.13 | mrmist | dialationstation: you realise this is utterly pointless, right? |
| 19:32.15 | dalias | somebody ban this idiot |
| 19:32.19 | dialationstation | el foro de chimpout es el dueño de freenode |
| 19:32.20 | dialationstation | jajajaja |
| 19:32.29 | dialationstation | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.31 | esto | mas tonto y no naces :D |
| 19:32.32 | dialationstation | ...... |
| 19:32.34 | dialationstation | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.36 | dialationstation | ..... |
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| 19:33.11 | karlpinc | !ops rogue bot here |
| 19:33.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: karlpinc complains about: rogue bot here |
| 19:33.35 | nsadmin | hairy bot? rogueain? |
| 19:33.56 | fkm | dawud: That doesn't help. Should I try aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64? |
| 19:34.09 | fkm | (Kernels scare me :-)) |
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| 19:34.26 | nsadmin | fkm, is it because of the noise when they pop? |
| 19:34.43 | dawud | fkm: ah yes, I misread it was cpio in deinstall state |
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| 19:35.23 | nsadmin | fkm, seriously tho... have you changed something? |
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| 19:35.32 | peterS | fkm: sure or, as I do, run aptitude interactively and fix the situation. it takes awhile to get used to the aptitude full-screen UI, but it's very nice once you do. |
| 19:35.34 | nsadmin | why reinstall, curious? |
| 19:35.42 | fkm | nsadmin: It's because I don't understand them at all. |
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| 19:35.56 | nsadmin | oh ok, that's understandable |
| 19:36.04 | wooster | is there any way to scan an automake-based source distribution for library dependencies, and have debian install the corresponding libraries which provide those dependencies? |
| 19:36.08 | wooster | if not, why not |
| 19:36.41 | peterS | wooster: not really, because automake doesn't just have a declarative way to supply a list of what it needs |
| 19:36.49 | peterS | also, did you mean autoconf? automake isn't really involved here |
| 19:36.57 | wooster | autoconf |
| 19:37.11 | wooster | it's not technically declared, but how hard is it to parse say, pkg-config checks or something |
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| 19:37.39 | peterS | wooster: what autoconf does is runs individual tests for "check to see if ____ is available" or "check to see how ___ behaves". These tests are sometimes done via macros that you could grep for, but not always. |
| 19:37.41 | wooster | im thinking of just writing this, i wanted to know if anything already exists first |
| 19:37.44 | nsadmin | fkm, is there something about kernels you want to understand? |
| 19:37.49 | wooster | yeah it wouldn't be foolproof |
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| 19:38.20 | peterS | wooster: you'll need to manually maintain some sort of mapping between a check someone writes for their configure.ac file, and a libfoo-dev package name. Have fun. |
| 19:38.21 | wooster | but it could be better than ./configure, search for dev package, install, repeat until works |
| 19:38.27 | nsadmin | and/or, fkm, is there something about kernels that if you did understand more about, you'd be less nervous? |
| 19:38.40 | wooster | can you query the package db to see what provides libraries? |
| 19:39.02 | wooster | is it possible to ask what package supplies yaml.h, or libyaml |
| 19:39.11 | abrotman | !tell wooster about apt-file |
| 19:39.21 | Diopter | apt-file ftw |
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| 19:39.54 | fkm | dawud, nsadmin peterS: Just reinstalled the kernel and the status is back to installed. Thank you for your feedback! :-) |
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| 19:40.24 | peterS | wooster: Also, if you're only concerned about configure.ac files that use 'pkg-config' to find stuff, you're ignoring most of the problem. most configure.ac files I've seen don't bother with pkg-config because, historically, it's still a pretty new facility and is not well supported on (a) existing Unix-like installations, and (b) upstream libraries |
| 19:40.28 | nsadmin | fkm, no worries :) |
| 19:40.30 | fkm | nsadmin: Maybe not. But the more I understand about some piece of software the less anxious I am normally about touching it. |
| 19:40.47 | nsadmin | also understandable. |
| 19:41.07 | wooster | okay |
| 19:41.19 | wooster | but |
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| 19:41.31 | wooster | i think you can scan for AC_CHECK_HEADER in configure.in, and parse out the names of all the header files it is checking for |
| 19:41.36 | peterS | wooster: end result: there's all sorts of configure.ac files out there that use all sorts of random ways to discover whether a given library exists and, if so, is at a new enough version to satisfy the requirements of the software in question |
| 19:41.36 | wooster | feed that into apt-file or whatever |
| 19:41.36 | nsadmin | so, what you have now, is: there are kernels of different versions, some of which can be installed, and if they are installed they appear on your grub menu |
| 19:41.46 | wooster | and get the names of the packages that need to be installed to provide the headers |
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| 19:42.04 | wooster | sure peters, it's not going to be perfect, but it'll save a lot of time in common cases |
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| 19:42.47 | peterS | wooster: also note: some configure.ac checks are optional and even mutually exclusive. E.g., do you want to use openssl or gcrypt for your crypto. it'll use the first one of these it finds. Your heuristic scanner would then be in danger of pulling in too _many_ build-deps. |
| 19:43.31 | wooster | true |
| 19:43.40 | wooster | wouldn't bother me, personally |
| 19:44.00 | peterS | wooster: so, feel free to play around with apt-file and see what you can come up with. but I remain skeptical that it will actually save much time in the cases I know about - the software I package. |
| 19:44.17 | wooster | ok |
| 19:44.22 | wooster | thanks |
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| 19:44.45 | wooster | is there a more programatic way to do what apt-file does? |
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| 19:44.55 | wooster | with perl and dpkg say |
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| 19:45.44 | nsadmin | fkm, another thing you have right now, is that a kernel functions to superimpose a personality (aka an interface, maybe an api) underneath and being used by the programs you run and/or are running as daemons |
| 19:45.46 | peterS | apt-file downloads a database of files in packages in the archive. you want apt-file itself in order to download this stuff. now whether there's some other way to _read_ that file at runtime, I'm not sure |
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| 19:47.03 | wooster | ok |
| 19:47.04 | wooster | thanks |
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| 19:48.11 | fkm | nsadmin: What? o.O |
| 19:48.31 | nsadmin | fkm, it's one thing a kernel "does" |
| 19:48.39 | fkm | Ah. Ok :-) |
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| 19:53.36 | nsadmin | fkm, if we now split the kernel into functional units, a kernel would manage... memory, processes (and switching between them), networking (incl somewhat unrelated iptables and its modules), and I/O. It knows about files and directories, and how they can be contained in different types of filesystems. modules when inserted into the kernel, run in "kernel space", which has privileges, and never gets swapped. |
| 19:53.52 | burhan | is there a shell command continuation character for bash? |
| 19:54.07 | karlpinc | burhan: \ It's posix i think. |
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| 19:54.11 | GNU\colossus | it is. |
| 19:54.17 | burhan | oh its posix? |
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| 19:54.25 | GNU\colossus | but only after a space and at the very last char on the line |
| 19:54.50 | absentia | hey everyone -- under debian -- I do "apt-get apache2" and I seem to get some apache2 stuff installed, but /etc/apache2 is fairly empty -- especially mods-available ... is taht normal ? |
| 19:54.53 | fkm | nsadmin: So it's the hub between the hardware and software. |
| 19:55.31 | nsadmin | fkm, now, it's not actually necessary for you to touch these things, but I'm roughly guessing that knowing a little, in the form of a short survey, may have a relieving effect |
| 19:55.44 | fkm | Indeed |
| 19:55.58 | absentia | I have debian 5.0.7? (that's what /etc/debian_release) says ... |
| 19:56.00 | nsadmin | fkm, in part, yes |
| 19:56.26 | nsadmin | absentia, there should also be /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:56.54 | fkm | But how does software interact with the kernel. How should I imagine this. As some sort of API like the ones I use with high-level programming languages (i.e. bindings)? |
| 19:56.59 | absentia | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:56.59 | karlpinc | absentia: Possibly. If so, follow the release notes to upgrade. Note that other distros often fail to remove/change the debian release info. |
| 19:56.59 | absentia | 5.0.7 |
| 19:57.19 | nsadmin | and, if that's your version, its (supported) life ended a coupla months ago, and you could upgrade to 6.x |
| 19:57.25 | absentia | is there anything else I need to do like "apt-get apache2-that-works" or "apt-get apache2-modules" |
| 19:58.00 | nsadmin | , versions apache2-that-works |
| 19:58.02 | judd | No package named 'apache2-that-works' was found in i386. |
| 19:58.10 | nsadmin | yes, I thought as much... |
| 19:59.03 | absentia | :-) |
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| 19:59.32 | karlpinc | absentia: You may not be able to install anything new without changing your <sources.list> file to archive.debian.org. In any case, you're out of security support and so should follow the release notes and upgrade. |
| 19:59.34 | nsadmin | apache2 does work in its original capacity as a web listener |
| 19:59.39 | absentia | I'm folloiwing this now -- http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/installation/debian-6-squeeze |
| 19:59.44 | absentia | all the other instructions seem to be from 2006 |
| 20:00.04 | absentia | out of security support? what's that mean ? |
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| 20:00.39 | karlpinc | absentia: It means there are no updates to your software that fix known security problems. |
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| 20:01.05 | fr0ggie | anyone doing Xen on debian/wheezy? |
| 20:01.08 | absentia | not sure I understand you ... just want an apache2 that I can recognize... strange that the system works with an empty httpd.conf |
| 20:01.29 | fr0ggie | I've got everything so far besides networking figured out |
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| 20:01.40 | karlpinc | !tell absentia about doesn't work |
| 20:01.45 | lost1_ | i am doing kvm/qemu on squeeze |
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| 20:02.21 | lost1_ | im having trouble chrooting my ssh server to limit people to only sftp/scp |
| 20:02.36 | karlpinc | absentia: If you're planning on having a box that the internet can see then it probably won't work for long because it'll be cracked. |
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| 20:03.41 | jelly-home | fkm: it's exactly an API. kernel has syscalls, functions that userspace can call to do stuff |
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| 20:04.10 | fkm | jelly-home: Ok. Thank you! |
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| 20:04.28 | karlpinc | fkm: You're not getting much response because you're not asking debian specific questions. You might want to continue on #debian-offtopic. |
| 20:04.48 | jelly-home | or ##linux |
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| 20:05.12 | lost1_ | do the makejail scripts work in debian squeeze? |
| 20:05.13 | fr0ggie | is there a debian/xen channel? |
| 20:06.16 | lost1_ | i am reading all this literature about jailing ssh in debian but they all seem outdated |
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| 20:07.09 | absentia | has been rtfm and smart questioned! love it. |
| 20:07.11 | absentia | thanks guys |
| 20:07.17 | mmnicolas | lost1_: LXC |
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| 20:07.24 | fkm | karlpinc: That's not a problem :-) My problem was with the dpkg status. The stuff about the kernel is nice to know, but not urgent knowledge ;-) I will read up on the subject another day. Today the priority is on a friends VPS and then I have a website, a framework and a Python server to worry about -.- |
| 20:07.28 | lost1_ | LXC? |
| 20:08.05 | mmnicolas | lost1_: wiki.debian.org/LXC |
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| 20:08.20 | lost1_ | ty mmnicolas |
| 20:09.25 | lost1_ | hmm i would more like to set up a standard chroot environment |
| 20:09.37 | lost1_ | since my machine is already virtualized |
| 20:09.39 | lost1_ | lol |
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| 20:09.46 | karlpinc | lost1_: Chroots are not secure. |
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| 20:10.09 | lost1_ | is LXC the preferred method then? |
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| 20:10.36 | karlpinc | lost1_: Yes, for some value of "preferred". |
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| 20:12.21 | karlpinc | fkm: I tend to use aptitude, which means dealing with the horror of html documentation in file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/. (Although the package status code are explained in "man aptitude".) |
| 20:12.56 | lost1_ | hmm |
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| 20:13.26 | fkm | karlpinc: I don't even know the difference. The reason I like APT is because it's the one I first used and because of apt-get moo :-) |
| 20:13.43 | lost1_ | apt-get is easier to type |
| 20:13.49 | karlpinc | !tell fkm about why aptitude |
| 20:13.52 | lost1_ | lazy hands |
| 20:14.01 | hyisck | tell me too, please |
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| 20:14.12 | karlpinc | !why aptitude |
| 20:14.12 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 20:14.18 | karlpinc | !msg the bot |
| 20:14.19 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 20:14.31 | lost1_ | so LXC uses CHROOTS? |
| 20:14.32 | hyisck | Hm. |
| 20:14.44 | hyisck | I still prefer apt-get, though. |
| 20:14.48 | fkm | Nice to know. Thank you karlpinc |
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| 20:16.57 | absentia | finally fn instaled without an error -- http://pastebin.com/DJkGkdUv |
| 20:17.56 | lost1_ | just to be clear, to restrict users to only having sftp/scp access and not ssh on debian squeeze i should be using LXC? |
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| 20:18.25 | absentia | yay! got a gdamn default / fresh clean config and have all modules listed... |
| 20:18.30 | dawud | lost1_: not mandatory |
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| 20:20.25 | absentia | is happy -- server is back. |
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| 20:21.08 | karlpinc | lost1_: I'm sure there's a way to prevent shell access. I'd start with "man sshd_config". If you don't want the users to see each other's home directories that's a matter of setting the permissions properly. But it gets tricker if you don't want the users to know of each other's existance. |
| 20:21.28 | mmnicolas | lost1_: you should just break their shells |
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| 20:22.25 | lost1_ | thats what i want to do i think, just break their shells |
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| 20:24.21 | mmnicolas | man usermod, something like usermod -s /bin/false username should do it |
| 20:24.54 | jelly-home | lost1_: if you limit that to just sftp and not scp, it's reasonably safe and not hard to configure just using sshd_config and some careful chown/chmod of user's homes. |
| 20:25.32 | lost1_ | i would prefer to have fine grained control over it so that some users can have full access and others do not |
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| 20:26.01 | jelly-home | lost1_: that's what groups are for |
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| 20:27.10 | dawud | lost1_: MatchUser and MatchGroup plus Subsystem sftp internal-sftp directives |
| 20:27.30 | jelly-home | something like http://blog.frands.net/sftp-only-chroot-users-with-openssh-in-debian-166/ |
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| 20:28.00 | dawud | lost1_: also ForceCommand internal-sftp in Match{User,Group} block |
| 20:28.04 | gasull | Hi. I'm using Debian testing. I did a dist-upgrade and graphics are messed up now. I can't really use Firefox as the text gets messed up randomly when I move the mouse and I can't read anything. |
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| 20:29.38 | gasull | How can I take a snapshot of firefox to show the problem? It's hard to explain what I see. |
| 20:30.21 | lost1_ | ty jelly that is very helpful |
| 20:30.30 | lost1_ | and everyone else, ty for your help |
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| 20:30.33 | jelly-home | gasull: you're probably hitting http://bugs.debian.org/658252 |
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| 20:31.33 | dawud | gasull: jelly-home : also #656893 |
| 20:32.08 | sako | hey guys when using reprepro, does the includedeb command copy over the deb file or just point to the path of the file? |
| 20:32.20 | sako | can i remove the .deb file after i includedeb/> |
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| 20:33.02 | jelly-home | gasull: or maybe not. in any case, people over in irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-next might know more |
| 20:33.41 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 20:33.41 | dpkg | #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 20:33.51 | gasull | jelly-home: yes, I think it's that bug. |
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| 20:34.33 | gasull | Pidigin is working correctly, so far. Firefox isn't. |
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| 20:46.35 | gasull | I already have the latest xserver-xorg-video-radeon as the bug suggest. What else can I do? What was the number of the bug again? |
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| 20:48.46 | gasull | found the bug |
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| 20:49.26 | alex- | dpkg tell alex- about guidelines |
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| 20:55.54 | pengol | hi there what is the best way to automatically switch gateway on failure if both gateways are on the same lan? |
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| 20:58.12 | Diopter | pengol: You can do a couple of things. Are you wanting to only use the other gateway(s) if the primary fails? Or do you want to load balance but skip any gateway(s) that are down? |
| 20:58.31 | incog | yes, hello |
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| 20:58.35 | xylon | Considering mograting from Parabola to Debian... I want to check if my favourite apps are packaged for it... is there a way I can browse the repositories before I install it? |
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| 20:58.53 | xylon | moreutils and numutils are two things I use that might not be in Deb |
| 20:59.04 | dokma | build-essential |
| 20:59.08 | xylon | will have to think if ther's anything else |
| 20:59.23 | Diopter | xylon: What binaries are in "numutils"? |
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| 21:00.57 | xylon | Diopter: these: http://yeeloong.t67.eu/pastes/dGjH.txt |
| 21:01.25 | xylon | and some man pages |
| 21:01.25 | Diopter | xylon: moreutils and num-utils are both in Debian. |
| 21:01.28 | Diopter | Appear to have the same tools. |
| 21:01.36 | xylon | Awesome! |
| 21:03.18 | xylon | I just received a spam PM from user `incog' |
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| 21:03.49 | Diopter | !ops incog |
| 21:03.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: diopter complains about: incog |
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| 21:08.01 | zleslie | Howdy |
| 21:08.12 | xylon | Howdy |
| 21:09.09 | zleslie | I want to install a package that is only available in sid. It wants to bring in two deps from sid, libc-ares2 and libv8-3.8.9.20. I am wondering how much impact this will have on my wheezy system. |
| 21:09.46 | zleslie | Also, is there a way that I can help push the package I am after (nodejs) into wheezy or squeeze backports sooner so that I don't have to do this? |
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| 21:10.04 | zleslie | The developers here are much more okay with running things from sid than I |
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| 21:11.30 | jelly-home | zleslie: make backports yourself, don't use binary builds from newer releases or even from sid |
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| 21:11.58 | jelly-home | zleslie: that said, sid to wheezy isn't really a bug issue until the freeze starts |
| 21:12.05 | dkr | zleslie: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nodejs |
| 21:12.08 | zleslie | having so few dependencies, I am hoping that backporting myself will be easy |
| 21:12.19 | jelly-home | a big* issue |
| 21:12.30 | zleslie | jelly-home: is freeze coming soon? |
| 21:12.50 | jelly-home | wishful thinking! |
| 21:12.59 | jelly-home | (no) |
| 21:13.32 | zleslie | dkr: cool! |
| 21:13.54 | Diopter | zleslie: nodejs has some disputes surrounding its official packaging strategy. It's probably best if you manage it yourself, as it's a fast-moving target. |
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| 21:14.06 | Diopter | Besides, you're going to install everything Else with npm anyway. |
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| 21:15.09 | zleslie | backporting nodejs myself means that I also have to backport libv8, true? If there is a hold up on libv8 getting into testing for packaging reason, then I will likely run into those same issue |
| 21:15.46 | Diopter | zleslie: libv8 is already in testing. But that may or may not be the version you want. |
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| 21:15.53 | zleslie | true |
| 21:16.36 | Diopter | zleslie: The main issue is that there's already a package called "node" in Debian that's been there forever. And the dispute as I understand it is over how package names should be derived from package binaries, or not |
| 21:16.47 | zleslie | backporting now means that when nodejs makes it into testing, there *may* be issues with a clean upgrade |
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| 21:17.06 | zleslie | Diopter: I see |
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| 21:20.31 | kephra | how to bring up an usb0 network interface automatically? "auto usb0" and "iface usb0 inet dhcp" result in "Failed to bring up usb0." and the usb0 does also not come up when I plug in - but needs an "ifup usb0" by hand |
| 21:20.57 | Diopter | kephra: Try adding "allow-hotplug usb0" |
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| 21:21.50 | zleslie | On that node, why is allow-hotplug the default for debian network interfaces? For me lately this has meant that networking restart does not work properly. |
| 21:22.17 | zleslie | Is there more to backporting that dget the dsc? |
| 21:22.22 | zleslie | *than |
| 21:22.36 | kephra | *w00t* thanks Diopter ! |
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| 21:23.30 | Diopter | kephra: You bet |
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| 21:26.57 | KeatonT | installed on the bone |
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| 21:40.34 | superdmp | what might I be missing? |
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| 21:45.35 | superdmp | here is an example: http://dpaste.com/748686/ |
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| 21:47.58 | __zero | if i add a rule with iptables will the change be permanent or does it reset at restart? |
| 21:48.13 | Diopter | superdmp: dpkg-reconfigure locales, enable the one(s) you want in the list, then pick the default you want |
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| 21:50.01 | superdmp | thanks Diopter |
| 21:50.24 | Diopter | yarp |
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| 21:51.23 | superdmp | I assume I simply need to choose a locale based on my needs while managing the server, and that this won't have any effect on for example on internationalisation in web application software I run |
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| 21:52.21 | Diopter | superdmp: That is almost certainly the case, yes. |
| 21:52.27 | superdmp | thanks a lot |
| 21:52.32 | Diopter | Sure thing |
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| 21:52.50 | dizzylizzy | apt-cache shows and searches take about 20 seconds to return anything, unless I *immediately* precede the activity with an 'apt-get check'. Then it operates normally. Any idea what might be causing this? |
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| 22:04.07 | KeatonT | Not easy at all :( |
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| 22:28.54 | barxool | I'm looking at a .deb "control" file, but i don't understand the "Depends:" line: http://pastebin.com/SFc9mjQC |
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| 22:29.36 | barxool | What does the "|" means ? Is it "package depends from dpkg OR install-info" ? |
| 22:29.36 | abrotman | what don't you understand ? |
| 22:29.40 | abrotman | it means OR, yes |
| 22:29.52 | Diopter | barxool: There are potentially multiple ways to satisfy a dependency. |
| 22:30.12 | abrotman | is pretty sure this is covered in the packaging guide |
| 22:30.28 | barxool | there is no requirements about install-info's version, it means all versions satisfy the dependancy ? |
| 22:30.37 | abrotman | sure |
| 22:30.45 | abrotman | !tell barxool about nmg |
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| 22:34.22 | barxool | one last question, the pipe in apt-cache depends has the exact same meaning ? (http://pastebin.com/JWwNax1T) |
| 22:34.40 | abrotman | it comes from the same source |
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| 22:36.07 | barxool | it means yes ? :D |
| 22:36.24 | abrotman | i'm an it ... :( |
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| 22:36.56 | nsadmin | yes, a | b always means: take STDOUT of a and connect it to STDIN of b |
| 22:37.08 | nsadmin | where a and b are programs |
| 22:38.14 | nsadmin | which means anything a prints goes to b's read |
| 22:38.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: wtf .. seriously |
| 22:38.36 | barxool | abrotman> not sure to understand you, but thanks anyway ! |
| 22:38.51 | abrotman | nsadmin: how is that related to his question at all? |
| 22:38.53 | nsadmin | barxool, was this useful, to understand what | does? |
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| 22:39.23 | abrotman | barxool: just ignore nsadmin .. he's not talking about anything related to your question |
| 22:39.28 | barxool | nsadmin> lol. man, maybe you should read questions before answering |
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| 22:40.04 | nsadmin | "<barxool> one last question, the pipe in apt-cache depends has the exact same meaning ? " |
| 22:40.26 | nsadmin | that's what I read. |
| 22:40.36 | abrotman | you'd still be wrong |
| 22:40.38 | abrotman | by a lot |
| 22:41.08 | abrotman | nsadmin: you don't have to answer every question .. |
| 22:41.47 | barxool | nsadmin: i was talking about the pipe in the output of apt-cache depends (exemple: http://pastebin.com/JWwNax1T) |
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| 22:42.15 | abrotman | the question he read was enough context .. his answer was completely unrelated |
| 22:42.33 | Areckx | abrotman:: ??? |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | Areckx: !!! |
| 22:42.51 | nsadmin | can people -please- get off the kick of using pastebin.com? |
| 22:43.00 | Areckx | code.bulix.com |
| 22:43.07 | abrotman | Areckx: and what? |
| 22:43.16 | Areckx | paste.ubuntu.com |
| 22:43.29 | barxool | what's wrong with pastebin ? |
| 22:43.37 | abrotman | can we get back to Debian ? |
| 22:43.58 | nsadmin | yes, there are so many, you don't have to use stuff in #debian that has ads and does other annoying stuff |
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| 22:44.11 | Areckx | get back to the basics |
| 22:44.18 | nsadmin | I thought there was a fairly strict rule against spamming |
| 22:44.30 | bardzusny | use paste.debian.org, it's #debian after all :) |
| 22:44.32 | Areckx | just because it's different, doesn't mean it's better |
| 22:44.40 | Areckx | bardzusny:: Thank you |
| 22:44.44 | bardzusny | paste.debian.net* |
| 22:44.50 | nsadmin | bardzusny, zacly, among others |
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| 22:45.05 | peterrooney | !pastebin.com |
| 22:45.05 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:45.23 | Areckx | It should be in the topic directly, people might not do !pastebin.com |
| 22:45.43 | abrotman | Areckx: it is .. no one reads it .. |
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| 22:45.58 | abrotman | apparently you included |
| 22:46.00 | Areckx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.55 | nsadmin | yeah, it's weakly there |
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| 22:47.05 | Areckx | Some users may not |
| 22:47.13 | Areckx | They may assume they mean pastebin |
| 22:47.21 | Areckx | and google it |
| 22:47.31 | abrotman | then just don't help people that use pastebin.com .. it's your choice to click the link |
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| 22:48.02 | nsadmin | anyway, it does not say specifically "please avoid pastebin.com" |
| 22:48.17 | abrotman | you have that option |
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| 22:50.02 | craigevil | pastebin.com has ads? gotta love adblockplus :) |
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| 22:50.31 | nsadmin | and other annoyances |
| 22:50.56 | abrotman | then don't click the damn links .. that's YOUR choice to help those people |
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| 22:52.07 | tharkun | abrotman: any aditional ideas about the printing problems. |
| 22:52.24 | abrotman | tharkun: you ran away .. i can't msg you if you're offline |
| 22:52.42 | tharkun | abrotman: I left the tharkun_ client |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | tharkun: looked, didn't see it .. |
| 22:53.19 | barxool | suppose i want to list all the dependencies of a package, i mean direct and indirect dependencies, how can i know which packet is actually used to satisfy a dependency when a OR is present in the Depends: line in apt-cache depends ? |
| 22:53.20 | abrotman | tharkun: anyway .. you've checked your ghostscript and cups settings? |
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| 22:53.37 | tharkun | abrotman: all of them are stock standard. I rechecked them this morning |
| 22:53.42 | barxool | It would be easy if there was no OR: recursively list dependencies of package |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | barxool: apt-cache + dotty may do that .. I've never tried to look for indirect |
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| 22:54.45 | abrotman | tharkun: I can't recall if I asked if you tried as a new user on both systems ? |
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| 22:55.41 | tharkun | No, you didn't mention that but I can try it asap |
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| 22:56.34 | abrotman | tharkun: so you can see if it's a system setting or a user setting |
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| 22:56.40 | barxool | abrotman> well the problem is exactly on the indirect :) I don't need an image, just a text list of packages. Thanks anyway |
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| 22:57.08 | abrotman | barxool: you can script it with apt-cache depends .. piping/looping etc |
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| 23:17.20 | tharkun | abrotman: Thanks for the idea. The user on that particular machine allready left the office so further testing will be made tomorrow. Thanks again for your time |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | tharkun: eh, okay! |
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| 23:48.52 | Alex-Musicman | hello, I have a problem to compile wine 1.4 on squeeze |
| 23:49.04 | Alex-Musicman | [...]ldt.c:73: error: SYS_modify_ldt undeclared (first use in this function)[...] |
| 23:49.14 | Alex-Musicman | somebody know to solve this issue? |
| 23:49.23 | bardzusny | Alex-Musicman: apt-source or directly from wine? |
| 23:49.49 | Alex-Musicman | directy wine site |
| 23:49.53 | Alex-Musicman | 1.4 stable version |
| 23:50.16 | karsten | juicy: Yes, you can, though you might want to ask on an ssh channel. |
| 23:50.28 | Alex-Musicman | repository version is old |
| 23:50.34 | karsten | juicy: I think what you're looking for is the 'Match' keyword in sshd_config(5). |
| 23:51.07 | karsten | juicy: http://serverfault.com/questions/285800/how-to-disable-ssh-login-with-password-for-some-users\ |
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| 23:51.12 | karsten | juicy: http://serverfault.com/questions/285800/how-to-disable-ssh-login-with-password-for-some-users |
| 23:51.31 | karsten | (added a backlash to the first URL). |
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| 23:52.14 | bardzusny | Alex-Musicman: first think I would try is googling the error |
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| 23:52.25 | bardzusny | assuming you've done this already, try apt-get build-dep wine |
| 23:52.28 | bardzusny | maybe some lib is missing |
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| 23:52.56 | karsten | Alex-Musicman: Do you have the dev libraries installed? |
| 23:53.04 | Alex-Musicman | yes |
| 23:53.13 | Alex-Musicman | I used build-dep |
| 23:53.15 | karsten | Alex-Musicman: auto-apt shell is also useful for this sort of thing. |
| 23:53.37 | bardzusny | Alex-Musicman: squeeze? |
| 23:53.44 | Alex-Musicman | yup, squeeze |
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| 23:55.32 | bardzusny | stable is stable is outdated, I would try compiling it on sid (debootstrap + chroot comes to mind, if you have quick connection it shouldn't take long) |
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| 23:58.54 | Alex-Musicman | I've other issue also: obex-data-server is crashing when I try get a file via bluetooth ftp in a mobile phone |
