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| 00:01.05 | Devastator | great, now I'm gonna reformat and try again without 3.2.15 kernel |
| 00:01.23 | Devastator | I don't think my old P3 can't handle 3.x kernels.. |
| 00:01.40 | nvz | no machine can handle a bad case of sns syndrome |
| 00:02.39 | Devastator | i don't have sns yet hah |
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| 00:04.03 | nvz | denial is the first stage.. heh |
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| 00:04.45 | nvz | then comes broken systems.. which you seem to be experiencing already |
| 00:04.48 | Devastator | just wondering, on an old p3, should I install kernel -486 or 686? |
| 00:05.11 | Devastator | nvz no, I'm just testing |
| 00:05.12 | nvz | Devastator: it should run fine on either |
| 00:05.19 | lcafiero | What nvz said |
| 00:05.35 | lcafiero | Though I don't think there's a 486 version |
| 00:05.50 | nvz | uh, sure there is |
| 00:06.01 | Devastator | nvz I have an old Semprom 2600+ (754) that I'm using as guinea pig |
| 00:06.13 | nvz | ,versions linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 00:06.14 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6-486 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+44; wheezy: 3.2+44 |
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| 00:06.34 | streuner | !k7 |
| 00:06.34 | dpkg | K7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD x86-compatible processors beginning with the Athlon and includes the Duron, Thunderbird, early Sempron and Athlon XP. It does not include the Athlon 64, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64 X2, Opteron, Turion 64 and later Sempron (all K8) or older processors (K5, K6). Use a 686 kernel as k7 kernels are no longer available, see <k7 dropped>. |
| 00:08.43 | themill | Devastator: btw, #671564 is your fault :) |
| 00:08.51 | nvz | Devastator: *shrug* I rolled 3.0.0 when it came out just to see, it didn't boot, and I've seen no reason to continue fooling with it |
| 00:08.52 | Devastator | hum?! |
| 00:09.05 | themill | !dbugs 671564 |
| 00:09.10 | dpkg | #671564:I[src:xtables-addons] src:xtables-addons: Fails to build twice in a row (); Fri, 04 May 2012 23:57:01 UTC [] |
| 00:09.15 | dvs | nvz: The kernel package works for me. |
| 00:09.41 | Devastator | themill I'm sure I didn't report it hehe |
| 00:09.45 | nvz | when wheezy comes out I may start messing with 3.x again |
| 00:10.00 | Devastator | themill what I will report is a recommendation to backport iptables to at least 1.4.12 |
| 00:10.30 | mongo | with app armor, if you give rw access to a block device does it give access to the parent in /devices too? |
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| 00:10.45 | mongo | err wrong # |
| 00:12.17 | Devastator | themill the guy was right in one thing, the clean target did leave a lot of files, I had to remove tmp.src a few times manually |
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| 00:12.39 | themill | Devastator: I know. It's most annoying. |
| 00:13.34 | Devastator | themill let me know if there's anything i can do to help, I'm not a programmer but I like to help finding things, testing etc |
| 00:13.47 | Devastator | it's the only way I know to give something back |
| 00:14.02 | jordanm | Devastator: filing bug reports like the one themill just filed is a good start |
| 00:14.12 | jordanm | fixing them is even better |
| 00:14.36 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, how do i write a cd image to a usb and make it bootable......the cd itself is bootable |
| 00:14.45 | themill | jordanm: :) |
| 00:15.00 | Devastator | jordanm yes, when I backported xtables-addons almost 2 years ago, I filled a bug report, let me see if i can find it |
| 00:15.10 | mongo | FYI the linux-image-2.6-486 kernel is for amd geode based systems etc... anything with a P90 and higher is fine with the i686 |
| 00:15.40 | calrogman | paranoidphreak: dd if=/path/to/cd/image.iso of=/dev/sdb, adjust sdb to fit the device you want to write to |
| 00:16.21 | Devastator | jordanm, sorry, it was iptables: #567066 |
| 00:17.03 | paranoidphreak | calrogman: thanks |
| 00:17.36 | calrogman | paranoidphreak: No problem. Just don't get if and of the wrong way around. That's how dd earned the nickname "data destroyer". |
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| 00:25.00 | Devastator | jesus, I forgot to close a bug report from november 2011 |
| 00:25.14 | Devastator | shame on me |
| 00:25.38 | Devastator | themill is lenny udev already? I really can't remember |
| 00:30.25 | streuner | packages.debian.org/udev should show you |
| 00:30.44 | streuner | judd, versions udev |
| 00:30.45 | judd | Package: udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; sid: 175-3.1; wheezy: 175-3.1 |
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| 00:37.04 | mongo | ahhhah!!! I think I found out why dm-multipath is not using the multipath device for /dev/disk/by-id/wwn* the 60-persistent-storage.rules will only do type "disk" I wonder if setting /sys/devices/virtual/block/dm* to the disk type is safe in the 91-permissions.rules |
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| 00:40.06 | lolasd | hi lol |
| 00:40.20 | lolasd | sry guys, just left debian for arch |
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| 00:40.40 | lolasd | all of these constraints about free software were so stressful |
| 00:41.01 | lolasd | and, seriously, icedove and iceweasel are kinda crap compared to the originals |
| 00:41.02 | calrogman | Well that was stupid. Have you not heard of `non-free'? |
| 00:41.18 | calrogman | They're essentially exactly the same bar branding. |
| 00:41.55 | lolasd | yes, but i went through some compatibility issues with some plug-ins |
| 00:42.03 | streuner | lolasd: you are a lame troll, please waste your time somewhere else. |
| 00:42.14 | lolasd | just chattin' |
| 00:42.30 | calrogman | Sure you did. Do you have anything useful to say or did you come in here to just generally be a shit? |
| 00:43.22 | lolasd | indeed, i love free software. But I don't get the point on forking entire projects just for, isn't it, some copyright isues? |
| 00:43.32 | calrogman | Trademark. |
| 00:43.47 | lolasd | i've been using debian for more than 5 years now, it was absolutely amazing |
| 00:43.49 | streuner | lolasd: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
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| 00:44.11 | lolasd | what do you think about it? |
| 00:44.18 | Devastator | thanks streuner |
| 00:45.38 | calrogman | I think the Mozilla Foundation were well within their rights and the Debian Project will just deal with it. |
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| 00:46.22 | mongo | forks happen...thank goodness we are in the era of git(1) |
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| 00:47.23 | lolasd | fair enough. Anyway, arch has a nice community as well. But, of course, you get all the negative things of having such small repos acqually being mantained. |
| 00:48.00 | craigevil | lolasd, i have the same add-ons/plugins in Iceweasel 12 as I do in Firefox 12, Iceweasel is Firefox http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=73796 |
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| 00:48.03 | lolasd | It's a small distro, anyway, but has a really good documentation, even, if I can say, better than Debian's under some aspects |
| 00:48.56 | lolasd | the last problem I had, was with enigmail in icedove |
| 00:49.03 | mongo | my main issue with debian is tha it is hard to contribute fixes to mentors.debian.net :) |
| 00:49.12 | calrogman | Gonna let you finish lolasd but FreeBSD has a better maintained repo, better documentation and a less elitest douchey user-base. |
| 00:49.52 | mongo | if you think of ports as a repo :) |
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| 00:50.08 | lolasd | FreeBSD? |
| 00:50.36 | calrogman | mongo: You get my meaning, which is what matter. :-) |
| 00:51.01 | lolasd | i'd love to try it, indeed. I'm trying to test as many distro as I can, but I've only got a netbook now, it's not that easy. |
| 00:51.34 | lolasd | which is the main reason why u're currently using debian? |
| 00:51.42 | lolasd | the thing you like the most |
| 00:51.44 | mongo | I came back to debian because I got sick of bugs in ubuntu sitting there with no movement because it was "upstream" |
| 00:52.28 | mongo | I love deb packages, much nicer than RPM and miles above ports |
| 00:53.06 | lolasd | I really loved the philosophy under it, but pushed to a certain extent, it starts losing usability. Unfortunately. |
| 00:53.38 | lolasd | i'm really looking forward to an era of just opensource software around. But I guess mine are just dreams |
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| 00:59.23 | Devastator | I think debian improved a lot when they turn backports official |
| 00:59.46 | Devastator | you can run a stable system with recent packages |
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| 01:00.18 | dvs | agrees |
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| 01:01.37 | mongo | It would be awsome if it was easier to contribute back |
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| 01:02.17 | Devastator | speaking of contribute back, where's the best place to suggest a backport? mailing list? |
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| 01:02.58 | joecool | need someone to test a page in chromium or chrome, https://xwaretech.tk please let me know if ssl validation fails |
| 01:03.39 | dvs | joecool: The w3.org site can verify the page for you. |
| 01:03.41 | craigevil | joecool, no problem using Chrome stable |
| 01:04.11 | joecool | dvs: i'm trying to narrow down if we have a distro but over @ gentoo, this is a bit of a process to narrow down what libraries are causing the issue |
| 01:04.19 | joecool | *distro issue |
| 01:04.35 | krisfremen | joecool: looks good to me |
| 01:04.50 | joecool | craigevil, krisfremen: thank you, what release of debian are you using? |
| 01:05.03 | krisfremen | Comodo sucks... |
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| 01:05.08 | krisfremen | Is it just because it's cheap? |
| 01:05.23 | craigevil | sid, with Chrome 18.0.1025.168-r134367 |
| 01:05.46 | joecool | would you be able to tell me what version of nss your system has too, i'm eying that as a possible troublemaker |
| 01:05.46 | krisfremen | joecool: debian squeeze with chromium 6.0.472.63 |
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| 01:06.58 | karlpinc | Devastator: Check out the backports site, there might be something there. If not you can always contact the site maintainer and tell them to add something. |
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| 01:07.27 | krisfremen | joecool: 3.12.8-1+squeeze4 |
| 01:08.16 | Devastator | thanks karlpinc! |
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| 01:11.53 | joecool | krisfremen: THANK YOU |
| 01:12.04 | joecool | confirmed nss 3.13 breaks shit |
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| 02:20.55 | MachinaeWolf | Can someone tell me where the repo pubkey/keyring files are located? |
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| 02:21.26 | MachinaeWolf | trying to get a debootstrapped chroot system working and it needs the files |
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| 02:26.32 | stercor | How do I replace OpenOffice with LibreOffice? |
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| 02:27.04 | MachinaeWolf | apt-get uninstall openoffice then apt-get install libreoffice |
| 02:27.14 | MachinaeWolf | spell them with the proper capitals or whatnot though |
| 02:27.25 | hanasaki | have a production box running squeeze... what's the best way to get a jdk7 on it? |
| 02:27.28 | stercor | MachinaeWolf: OK. I'll try it again. |
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| 02:33.54 | tidux | does the kernel in squeeze-backports (2.6.38 iirc) have a DisplayLink driver? |
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| 02:35.26 | tidux | I'm looking to use one of these |
| 02:35.28 | tidux | http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Universal-DisplayLink-1920x1080-High-Speed/dp/B002PONXAI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1335904746&sr=8-3 |
| 02:35.36 | tidux | with a Sheevaplug running Squeeze armel |
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| 02:40.00 | lasers | Hi. Why does Debian-Testing have missing packages? (such as pwsafe) |
| 02:40.37 | tidux | Testing packages disappear when they're broken |
| 02:40.48 | tidux | when they reappear, the problem has presumably been fixed |
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| 02:44.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there some wiki or reference material to see the tools that the official CD/DVD/BDR discs are made with? |
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| 02:46.34 | MachinaeWolf | http://pastebin.com/VFx39igN <- anyone know where to get those? |
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| 02:48.20 | lasers | tidux: I don't think. It should be there for us to test... but from what I'm reading.. Dead upstream? |
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| 02:49.17 | MachinaeWolf | http://pastebin.com/fvUH5tdH <- where do I get those? (fixed pastebin) |
| 02:49.34 | lasers | "RoQA; dead upstream, orphaned, alternatives exist" ? |
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| 02:57.10 | dondelelcaro | lasers: the maintainer orphaned it, it's dead upstream, there are other packages which are alternatives, and QA asked for it to be removed. |
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| 02:58.51 | MachinaeWolf | Any ideas on the pubkey stuff? |
| 02:59.13 | lasers | dondelelcaro: QA? I'm trying to find CLI alternatives right now. (I don't know any other alt?) |
| 02:59.20 | dondelelcaro | lasers: QA=Quality Assurance |
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| 02:59.58 | lasers | dondelelcaro: Icic. Thank you. I'll have to look for an alt one. Thank you. |
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| 03:00.11 | dondelelcaro | lasers: yapet, zsafe, etc. there are tons. |
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| 03:02.53 | lasers | dondelelcaro: Debian QA's Popularity Contest Statistics show pwsafe to be very high over yapet and zsafe. That will dramatically change when wheezy is released. :P |
| 03:03.17 | lasers | (over both packages combined) |
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| 03:03.57 | dondelelcaro | lasers: *shrug* |
| 03:04.11 | dondelelcaro | lasers: if you want it to stay around, feel free to maintain it |
| 03:04.28 | lasers | dondelelcaro: I don't know how to. :P |
| 03:05.12 | lasers | Maybe somebody will... when wheezy got released. |
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| 03:37.49 | GG111 | Where can I find the ncurses chess game "cboard" for Debian ? |
| 03:38.34 | arvind_khadri | GG111, did you try the debian repos? |
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| 03:39.24 | GG111 | arvind_khadri: mm.. I did apt-cache search cboad, with no success, i'm liminted with lynx as a browser, so I cannot use of that. |
| 03:40.20 | arvind_khadri | GG111, there is no package called cboard, anyways. http://packages.debian.net |
| 03:42.23 | GG111 | arvind_khadri: thank you, well, I'm getting a 500 browser error, when trying to look, weird, that uses to be a somewhat popular one. But I never found it on Debian, I know there are some rpm' |
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| 03:43.38 | arvind_khadri | GG111, sorry for the wrong link, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages :) |
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| 03:43.55 | arvind_khadri | maybe you can find the source and compile it :) |
| 03:44.49 | GG111 | arvind_khadri: thank you, I ran a search, 0 results, too bad I guess, I want to be able to play chess on my system withoug running X |
| 03:45.07 | craigevil | try cutechess |
| 03:46.03 | arvind_khadri | GG111, maybe you should search for ncurses + chess |
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| 03:46.39 | GG111 | craigevil: apt did not find that one |
| 03:47.34 | GG111 | arvind_khadri: sorry, that argument did not yield resutls as well, there must be something out there ! |
| 03:48.04 | arvind_khadri | Google for those terms |
| 03:48.06 | GG111 | I love my TTY too much then too boot into a graphical ... |
| 03:49.43 | arvind_khadri | you can use w3m |
| 03:49.53 | taxman | a cli die-hard |
| 03:50.05 | arvind_khadri | that supports JS, or you can run konquerer |
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| 03:51.01 | taxman | what's the best distro for cli? how fo you think? |
| 03:51.12 | GG111 | arvind_khadri: w3m is also a text based browse, right ? |
| 03:51.22 | GG111 | taxman: well, debian :) |
| 03:51.36 | taxman | wow |
| 03:51.48 | GG111 | I'm a centos type a guy.. but lately been working with debian |
| 03:51.49 | taxman | let GG111 pass |
| 03:52.09 | pawz | let him pass after a lobotomy perhaps |
| 03:52.14 | yuler | GnuFlash in Iceweasel doesn't render Flash all to well, want to switch to proprietary. Use apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 03:52.42 | taxman | is there such thing? |
| 03:53.13 | arvind_khadri | GG111, yes w3m is terminal browser, Konquerer is also one, it has got emacs key bindings and all, iff you like emacs you would like it |
| 03:53.33 | GG111 | arvind_khadri: I'm a VIM person :) |
| 03:53.38 | taxman | i have tried debian live 6.0.3, they worked like a charm to watch youtube |
| 03:53.49 | arvind_khadri | GG111, :) |
| 03:54.08 | arvind_khadri | yuler, yes |
| 03:54.11 | taxman | gg = surrender in SC2 |
| 03:54.51 | GG111 | well, Google did not yield much, there must be a way to get it done |
| 03:55.05 | taxman | when you are going to lose, just send the 'gg' message |
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| 03:58.27 | Rusty1 | wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cutechess/cutechess_20111114+0.4.2+0.0.1-1_i386.deb |
| 03:59.10 | boudiccas | how long should i leave amarok updating the system configuration please?+ |
| 03:59.20 | GG111 | Rusty1: thank you, checking it now |
| 03:59.56 | taxman | is amarok still alive? |
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| 04:00.11 | yuler | arvind_khadri: that cmd said "package not available, but package is referred to by another". suggestions? |
| 04:00.38 | boudiccas | taxman: apparently so |
| 04:01.08 | taxman | i am curious, that's all |
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| 04:06.37 | GG111 | Rusty1: getting some trouble with installing, dependencies, etc, but, I shuld keep trying. |
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| 04:08.44 | Rusty1 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/cutechess wget the deps |
| 04:08.50 | GG111 | libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1) is needed.. |
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| 04:09.51 | Rusty1 | wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqtcore4_4.8.1-1_i386.deb |
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| 04:10.38 | GG111 | Rusty1: it says that the interface is X11, still going to work on TTY ? |
| 04:11.24 | Rusty1 | dunno says cutechess is cli |
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| 04:12.37 | GG111 | I see, well, I have more then enough info, I'll log this and will go to a GUI system so I can browse better and get all the pieces together. |
| 04:13.17 | Rusty1 | aptitude install cutechess ? |
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| 04:15.03 | GG111 | Rusty1: "No candidate version found for cutechess" |
| 04:15.40 | GG111 | That's fine, If you got me this far, I'll just boot into GUI, (I don't like doing that:), sign of failure,) but, when you must, you must. |
| 04:15.58 | GG111 | Oh, how I miss the days that all the information was in plain text. |
| 04:16.06 | Rusty1 | try aptitiude update |
| 04:16.24 | arvind_khadri | yuler, flashplugin-installer? |
| 04:16.24 | Rusty1 | then aptitude install cutechess |
| 04:16.36 | GG111 | Rusty1: "No candidate version found for cutechess" |
| 04:16.38 | GG111 | still |
| 04:16.54 | GG111 | I hope I'm spelling cutechess right :) |
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| 04:18.27 | arvind_khadri | yuler, you need to have non-free enabled in your sources.list |
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| 04:18.37 | arvind_khadri | !tell yuler about flash |
| 04:19.01 | yuler | thanks, I've read that |
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| 05:24.26 | rainfyre | is there a way to connect to a wireless network from the command list WITHOUT using iwconfig? |
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| 05:24.49 | rainfyre | I have a fresh squeeze install, no wired connection (only wifi) and want to connect to it |
| 05:24.54 | rainfyre | and have no gui |
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| 05:29.41 | rainfyre | does anyone know what package name I would want to download and install to give me iwconfig ? can I download it as a .deb? |
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| 05:36.11 | somiaj | wireless-tools, though I thought it was part of the base system on the net installer |
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| 05:38.38 | rainfyre | somiaj: thank you |
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| 05:41.36 | Devilholk | I got myself a bit lost in the jungle of window managers and other related things. The window manager only manages windows and any bars that show what applications that are currently running would be a program separate from the WM? |
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| 05:44.48 | somiaj | depends on what you mean by separate, most WM's come with additional things such as pannels/docks and the likes people will sometimes consider part of the wm |
| 05:45.06 | Devilholk | That may cause some of my confusion |
| 05:45.37 | Devilholk | The thing is that I tried a bunch of window managers and desktops and didnt find any combination that appealed to me in full |
| 05:46.22 | somiaj | I'm an fvwm user, and lots of its docs/menus and the likes are modules that can only be run with fvwm. Many other wms are this way, so I would consider them part of the wm...but at the same time some things in docs like clocks, batery monintors, applets, systrays and stuff may not be officaly part of the wm |
| 05:46.31 | Devilholk | So I'm pondering taking some WM and either modify it or just make some applications to extend it (like panels and stuff) |
| 05:47.25 | somiaj | fvwm is a wm that provides an interface. You can configure almost any aspect of that wm (including script your own docks and the likes) |
| 05:47.39 | somiaj | but it can take a while to create the config file. |
| 05:49.14 | Devilholk | I'm trying openbox now |
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| 05:49.35 | Devilholk | But there is no trays or anything in this, just window decorations |
| 05:49.47 | somiaj | Devilholk: http://zensites.net/fvwm/screenshots/mediabuttons.png -- all of those pannels (including the media player and menu that goes with it) were created with scripts and fvwm. |
| 05:50.37 | Devilholk | I'm not a fan of scripting for GUI |
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| 05:51.11 | Devilholk | Actually I'm right between the camp of GUI should be effective and functional and GUI should be eye candy |
| 05:51.25 | Devilholk | I guess I can take some eye candy as long as it is not wasting resources |
| 05:51.42 | somiaj | well its more a config, most of the scripts are already provided. But yes do you configure everything with a text file. There are to many options. In the end you get the gui you want. But you can talk ot me in #fvwm if you care to know more. Just a suggestion since you said you wanted something you could combine programs together and configure yourself |
| 05:52.44 | somiaj | damn been drinking to much, to many options to have a decent gui configure tool. |
| 05:52.49 | Devilholk | I'll check out fvwm first before deciding. There are so many choices. I'm not sure if I should start with something bare or if I should use something with lots and lots of features and put it together/config it right |
| 05:53.28 | Devilholk | The main object is to have a memory and cpu efficient GUI though |
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| 05:53.58 | somiaj | fvwm is very minilstic to start. The pannels can be as simple or complicated as you like (depends on if you want to swallow lots of other apps) |
| 05:55.02 | Devilholk | I should screen my irssi so I can switch window manager without killing irssi |
| 05:55.13 | rainfyre | Devilholk: good idea :p |
| 05:55.27 | somiaj | you can switch a WM on the fly without quiting X |
| 05:55.35 | somiaj | the xterm with irssi in it should be killed |
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| 05:56.32 | Devilholk | I would like it if I could just disconnect a started bash from its terminal and move it to another one (sort of like screen but without starting screen prior to it) |
| 05:56.55 | freaky[t] | hi all. i have problems using nice. i added "user - nice -19" to /etc/security/limites.conf but the user is still not allowed to use nice, says permission denied. root can change niceness of processes. can anybody help me? |
| 05:57.01 | rainfyre | but that's what screen is.. |
| 05:57.29 | Devilholk | rainfyre: Yeah I know but still, I'd like that functionality built in sort of =) |
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| 05:57.53 | Devilholk | I guess I could make sure a screen session is always started whenever a shell is executed |
| 05:58.08 | rainfyre | Devilholk: :) I get it |
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| 06:04.55 | peterrooney | Devilholk: you also might look into retty |
| 06:05.18 | Lns | How could I possibly use a usb gamepad button to trigger a bash script in Linux? Are there any userspace programs for this? |
| 06:07.12 | Devilholk | peterrooney: Thanks, by the looks in the docs I suspect it wont help people who forget to start their screen sessions and want to kill the parent processes though =) |
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| 06:08.27 | Devilholk | By the way, is there something like screen but for X-sessions? |
| 06:08.34 | peterrooney | Devilholk: you're welcome. in all fairness, retty doesn't really seem to handle pagers or editors all that consistently. |
| 06:09.30 | peterrooney | Devilholk: I don't know. |
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| 06:27.15 | anon | How can I find out if a certain image or movie was accessed and most important when? |
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| 06:28.01 | Dulak | anon: stat filename |
| 06:30.27 | anon | Dulak, any way to show actions? I forgot to password protect the screen and now I have to know if someone was at my computer and what programs where opened and what files viewed. It is very important. How can I accopmplish that? |
| 06:30.40 | anon | Which log files would show that? |
| 06:30.54 | anon | Only during the last two hours. |
| 06:32.17 | Dulak | anon: unless you have something setup to log more than the defaults you aren't going to see actions like that. You can use find to find all the files accessed in the last two hours though. |
| 06:33.48 | anon | Dulak, how do I interpret stat? |
| 06:33.51 | Dulak | anon: find / -amin -120 |
| 06:34.41 | Dulak | anon: Access: is the last access time, Modify is the last modification, and Change should be whichever of those 2 is the last operation |
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| 06:35.28 | anon | Dulak thank you. How can I only find images and videos that where accessed during the last 120 minutes. I left my computer screen unprotected and I have an extremely jealous girlfriend. |
| 06:36.39 | anon | Dulak, so access time is the time when a picture was last viewed or a movie opened? |
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| 06:37.18 | Dulak | anon: yes, unless you have atime turned off for that filesystem, which defaults to on |
| 06:37.42 | anon | Dulak, how can I find out if that is the case? |
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| 06:38.17 | Dulak | find / -name '*.avi' -o -name '*.jpg' -amin -120 |
| 06:38.45 | Dulak | anon: you'd have to put more file extensions in there to cover all image and movie extensions but that is an example |
| 06:39.23 | Dulak | anon: to check if atime is disabled on a fs, type 'mount' and look for 'noatime' in the output, if that is there, access times are not tracked for that filesystem |
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| 06:40.41 | anon | Dulak, it is not set. Luckily. |
| 06:40.55 | anon | Will the query find / -name '*.avi' -o -name '*.jpg' -amin -120 change the access time however? |
| 06:41.39 | Dulak | anon: nope, find won't change the access time |
| 06:41.53 | anon | Dulak, thx so much |
| 06:42.03 | Dulak | np, g'luck with crazy chick. |
| 06:42.33 | anon | Dulak, not crazy, she has reason to believe I met another girl |
| 06:42.47 | Dulak | None of my business man |
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| 06:43.32 | anon | Dulak find /home/me -name '*.avi' -o -name '*.jpg' -amin -120 would find all files in my home dir and all subdirs? |
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| 06:44.03 | Dulak | anon: yes, but there are many more extensions for movie and pic files, I just picked 2 as an example |
| 06:44.32 | Dulak | anon: you'd add more -o name '*.ext' options to that list to catch them all |
| 06:44.56 | Dulak | err -o -name '*.ext' |
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| 06:47.58 | anon | Dulak, if I look at the recent documents entries that do not match with the output of your command |
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| 06:50.17 | Dulak | anon: I just checked and it shows properly for me, I see at least 2 movies I watched in the last halfhour in my browser cache, as well as the documents I have been editing all night, not sure what to tell you except perhaps the recent documents were accessed more than 120 minutes ago |
| 06:50.48 | Dulak | -amin -120 means accessed within the last 120 minutes |
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| 06:51.46 | anon | But why wouldn't the documents accessed in the last two hours now show up in recent documents. |
| 06:53.27 | Dulak | recent docs is populated by programs voluntarily, like the video player, or an editor, it is not automatic, meaning if the program doesn't report them as recently opened correctly they don't show up there, This is why say video files that you watch in the browser do not show up as recent docs, since the browser doesn't report recent docs at all. |
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| 06:56.21 | anon | Dulak find /home/me -name '*.avi' -o -name '*.jpg' -amin -120 returned a file, and that files stat time is Access: 2012-05-02 09:27:34.247410611 +0200 |
| 06:57.17 | Dulak | what is the current time set to? I am not seeing anything like that when I run it |
| 06:57.37 | Dulak | everything stats as accessed in the last 120 minutes |
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| 06:59.38 | anon | The calender is gone says May 5 8:59 |
| 06:59.47 | anon | The calender in gnome |
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| 07:03.00 | Dulak | anon: Ahh I see the problem, you need -and -amin -120 |
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| 07:03.41 | anon | atime is usually in days i think http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-findinglocating-files-with-find-command-part-1.html |
| 07:03.42 | Dulak | anon: the -o means or, so find /path -name '*.avi' -o -name '*.jpg' -and -amin -120 |
| 07:03.59 | Dulak | anon: -atime is in days, -amin is in minutes |
| 07:04.08 | anon | oh |
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| 07:04.10 | anon | true |
| 07:04.19 | Dulak | The problem was the or without the and wasn't forcing the atime to match |
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| 07:06.48 | anon | find /path -name '*.avi' -o -name '*.jpg' -and -amin -120 still returns files accessed on May 2nd |
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| 07:08.56 | Dulak | Just do them one at a time then, it's not forcing the amin match. find /path -name '*.jpg' -amin -120 |
| 07:09.42 | Dulak | That's weird because I test stuff before I paste it and it has been working perfectly for me each time |
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| 07:14.53 | Zeranoe | How can I view and modify the things that boot with Debian? |
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| 07:17.40 | Dulak | Zeranoe: you mean services started at boot? |
| 07:18.25 | Zeranoe | Dulak: Yes |
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| 07:19.14 | Dulak | Zeranoe: if you want something easy and graphical install the sysv-rc-conf package: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
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| 07:25.48 | Zeranoe | Duker: Thanks a lot |
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| 07:27.55 | Zeranoe | Duker: How do I run the application, it isnt showing up under that name? |
| 07:28.53 | Dulak | Zeranoe: services are started/stopped with the service command. as root: service name start |
| 07:29.30 | Dulak | Zeranoe: so apache2 would be: service apache2 start |
| 07:29.47 | Zeranoe | i see only root can run it, that was my issue |
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| 08:03.22 | oops | Any good screen-recording software? I want to make videos by capturing what's happening on my desktop. |
| 08:05.37 | anon | Dulak, still there? |
| 08:06.13 | raptor67782 | hello how to make a readom of a dvd that has scratches (damaged) ? |
| 08:06.49 | anon | Dulak, Can I use the command find /path -name '/' -amin -120 to find out what directories where accessed in the last 120 minutes? |
| 08:07.15 | anon | Is there any log file or way to find out what directories a user accessed in the last 120 minutes? |
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| 08:11.24 | krion | oops: what you want is a screencasting software afik |
| 08:12.21 | krion | you could have a look at recordmydesktop which is packaged |
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| 08:12.43 | anon | krion, talking to me? |
| 08:13.06 | oops | krion, thanks. |
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| 08:13.49 | anon | Why can I not use find /path -name '/' -amin -120 to find all directories that were accessed in the last 120 minutes? |
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| 08:16.50 | sauvin | anon: try -type d |
| 08:17.53 | DaveNull | anon : i don't understand you -name '/'... try find /path -type d -amin -120 |
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| 08:39.07 | anon | DaveNull, thank you. Is there a way to only find files that were accessed by a user and not the system? |
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| 08:42.53 | DaveNull | anon: i don't think so... |
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| 09:25.11 | MarkG1234 | Can someone help me out. I followed the guide on app pinning, as my version of Transmission in Squeeze REALLY old. Problem is, when it updates, it removed Opensshclient and server and replaces it with libssl instead. I can't access my server via putty anymore! (I have a single open connection, so I still have a chance to fix things). How do I keep both? |
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| 09:38.27 | bitHipy | is there a way to add the link "http://wertarbyte.de/apt/gc2latex/" to /etc/apt/sources.list and have it work? |
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| 09:41.16 | streuner | bitHipy: try to add "./" at the end of the line |
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| 09:43.50 | bitHipy | streuner: i added "deb http://wertarbyte.de/apt/gc2latex/ ./" and there were no errors reported by "aptitude update" |
| 09:44.05 | bitHipy | but I could not find the package with apt-cache search |
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| 09:46.53 | streuner | bitHipy: thats no wonder |
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| 09:47.33 | streuner | (usually those infos are stored in Packages.gz...) |
| 09:47.53 | streuner | and it simply doesnt exist... |
| 09:48.03 | robin_sz | Hi, where are paper sizes set up? Somewhere there must be a list, and it seems to have "letter" (whatever that is) at the top of it |
| 09:48.17 | robin_sz | and I'd like to delete it |
| 09:48.24 | Gentoo64 | /etc/papersize ? |
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| 09:48.31 | bitHipy | ok, so is my best route to download the deb file manually, and use dpkg -i? |
| 09:48.50 | robin_sz | nope, that just has A4 in it |
| 09:49.09 | streuner | nope, you should be able to use apt-get/aptitude as well |
| 09:49.37 | robin_sz | I'd really like to solve this, "letter" is forever finding its way into things, and we just don't have such a thing in our country |
| 09:49.39 | themill | bitHipy: if you wanted to use that repo, you'd remove "gc2latex" from that url |
| 09:50.08 | streuner | http://wertarbyte.de/apt/ ./ |
| 09:50.25 | themill | robin_sz: what's the output of "locale"? |
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| 09:50.38 | bitHipy | themill: ah, thanks! |
| 09:51.03 | robin_sz | themill, en_GB.UTF-8 for everything |
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| 09:51.26 | themill | robin_sz: hmm... and what programs are picking up "letter"? |
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| 09:52.17 | robin_sz | varies, just now it raised its head in printer properties under admin as defualt booklet page |
| 09:52.49 | robin_sz | when I see it, I change it, but just making it cease to exist would be nice |
| 09:52.59 | themill | Would your printer/ppd be telling things that it has letter loaded? |
| 09:53.50 | robin_sz | printer is set for A4. |
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| 09:57.02 | jubo2 | Hello. Shukran, shukran Debian devels.. |
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| 09:57.27 | robin_sz | and ... if I print from Document Viewer, even if I check carefully that "plain" is specified, it sends something to tell the printer to use "Labels" type paper, all other programs work fine, but Document Viewer needs a walk over to the printer to press the "use standard paper" button |
| 09:58.01 | robin_sz | ever since I once printed on labels, it reuses to let me forget that fateful day |
| 09:58.08 | jubo2 | What was the command to turn the touchpad off when typing on the keyboard.. And what can be done about 'syndaemon' saying "unable to find a synaptics device" ( [X|K]ubuntu detects the touchpad ok ) |
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| 10:00.44 | casper001 | it? |
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| 10:03.21 | themill | robin_sz: it sounds a lot like some combination of cups and printer is very confused |
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| 10:24.51 | jubo2 | running 'syndaemon' gives "Unable to find a synaptics device." |
| 10:24.57 | jubo2 | what to do ..? |
| 10:25.31 | nsadmin | what do you want to do? |
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| 10:26.44 | jubo2 | nsadmin: enable algorithms to eliminate fake-tapping on the touchpad when typing on the kbrd and the sides of my thumbs touch the touchpad. To enable two-finger scroll. To configure the speed and acceleration etc. etc. |
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| 10:27.26 | jubo2 | I have looked throught the debian wiki on synaptics to no avail |
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| 10:28.29 | nsadmin | so your overall goal is to enable these algorithms |
| 10:29.34 | jubo2 | nsadmin: the easies medicine for my troubles with the touchpad would be to just lock the touchpad on keystroke and open the touchpad 1.5 secs after stopping hitting the kbrd |
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| 10:29.48 | jubo2 | I've heard there is a program for that but I do not recall what it was called |
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| 10:29.54 | nsadmin | and the way you're going about it is to try to start this program... is this something you built yourself? normally debian packaging would start this thing |
| 10:30.13 | jubo2 | nsadmin: I installed the thing with aptitude |
| 10:30.59 | nsadmin | there would be a file in /etc/init.d/ and you should be able to start the daemon (is it a daemon?) with the script |
| 10:31.03 | jubo2 | nsadmin: On startup of Debian there is an error message which goes something like "Unable to start / detect a synaptiks device" ( I think it says synaptiks,not synaptics ) |
| 10:31.10 | nsadmin | maybe it tried |
| 10:32.55 | jubo2 | "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices" gives 'N: Name="PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"' |
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| 10:33.24 | jubo2 | nsadmin: I look in /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:33.47 | nsadmin | what is the name of the package? |
| 10:34.12 | jubo2 | nsadmin: 'synaptiks' or 'synaptics' ... I'm not sure |
| 10:34.42 | nsadmin | , versions synaptics |
| 10:34.43 | judd | No package named 'synaptics' was found in i386. |
| 10:34.58 | nsadmin | , versions synaptilks |
| 10:34.59 | judd | No package named 'synaptilks' was found in i386. |
| 10:35.09 | nsadmin | , versions synaptlks |
| 10:35.10 | judd | No package named 'synaptlks' was found in i386. |
| 10:35.35 | nsadmin | , versions synaptiks |
| 10:35.36 | judd | No package named 'synaptiks' was found in i386. |
| 10:35.42 | babilen | , synaptic |
| 10:35.43 | jubo2 | so no.. |
| 10:35.46 | babilen | , v synaptic |
| 10:35.47 | judd | Package: synaptic on i386 -- lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.70~pre1+b1; wheezy: 0.75.9; sid: 0.75.10 |
| 10:35.53 | babilen | nsadmin: That ^^^ ? |
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| 10:36.10 | nsadmin | maybe, let's see. thanks babilen |
| 10:36.14 | babilen | ,v xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 10:36.15 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics on i386 -- lenny: 0.14.7~git20070706-3; squeeze: 1.2.2-2; squeeze-backports: 1.4.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.5.99.904-1; sid: 1.5.99.904-2 |
| 10:36.21 | babilen | or that ^^ ? |
| 10:36.25 | jubo2 | nsadmin: that's installed also |
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| 10:36.58 | nsadmin | there's a daemon of some sort that runs algorithms that do a similar thing to debouncing |
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| 10:41.39 | jbee | hi folks, my btmp begins later than the last reinstallation, should i be worried or is it normal for this to be trimmed/rotated(?)? |
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| 10:44.29 | jbee | same with wtmp |
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| 10:47.57 | jubo2 | here's the error I get for 'sudo Xorg :1 -configure' - http://pastebin.com/aLftt10x |
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| 10:48.52 | valdyn | jubo2: theres no relevant error |
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| 10:50.14 | jubo2 | I'm looking at /root/xorg.conf.new .. |
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| 10:50.50 | jubo2 | There is no mention of a synaptics device or touchpad device.. it detects the touchpad as a mouse.. |
| 10:51.03 | robin_sz | themill, probably .. cups has always been a bit of a closed book to me |
| 10:52.13 | robin_sz | themill, the Document Viewer printing in Labels paper ... I really wish I could reset that, you think removing and re-install doc viewer might do it? |
| 10:52.20 | robin_sz | or is it more liekly a cups thing? |
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| 10:57.51 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 10:58.02 | ZenWalker | any channel on freenode about debian hurd? |
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| 11:02.01 | jubo2 | how do I restart X to see if the modifications I made to the conf file have effect ? |
| 11:02.26 | jubo2 | In the 90's I'd use startx, but I hear that's deprecated |
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| 11:05.28 | nsadmin | you say X is started now? |
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| 11:06.37 | jubo2 | I'm seeing a GUI so ain't it running then ? |
| 11:07.00 | jubo2 | nsadmin: How do I restart X so I can look at the logs about what it says ? |
| 11:07.06 | nsadmin | yep |
| 11:07.28 | jubo2 | I don't think 'yep' is a valid command .. ;) |
| 11:07.54 | nsadmin | maybe you asked a yes-or-no question... |
| 11:08.42 | jubo2 | There must be some way to re-read the config and apply it short of rebooting the OS .. |
| 11:09.18 | themill | robin_sz: you don't have some sort of ~/.cups/lpoptions do you? |
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| 11:10.03 | nsadmin | try logging out |
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| 11:10.48 | robin_sz | themill, nope, no ~/.cups |
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| 11:13.58 | Q| | Hey guys. I'm trying to install Proxmox VE (based on Debian Squeeze) onto a Dell Latitude e5510. All good, but getting wireless to run fails. I already figured from the debian wiki that I need the brcm80211 driver, but it seems that the kernel sources provided by Proxmox VE don't have it at all. /usr/src/linux/drivers/staging/brcm80211 is not there. Any chance to "add" this driver source and compile just this module? kernel is 2.6.32-11-pve |
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| 11:27.02 | jubo2 | here is what /var/log/Xorg.0.log says about synaptics upon loadup - http://pastebin.com/7tjGiwjG |
| 11:27.29 | jubo2 | This would be such a sueet OS if the touchpad config just could be h4xed |
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| 11:31.18 | jbee | jubo2: man synclient |
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| 11:38.30 | jubo2 | /var/log$ synclient -l |
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| 11:52.38 | becks` | hi, after doing this tutorial, I still have PHP 5.3 instead of 5.2.... how can I debug what's going wrong? http://www.rocko.me/?p=213 |
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| 11:53.07 | wenom | hi |
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| 11:54.08 | themill | becks`: because the information in that tutorial is incorrect. Additionally, php 5.2 is not receiving any security support so it's not a great idea to do that anyway. |
| 11:54.09 | wenom | i have a 2007ish etch debian system and my sources list wont work, any clue from where to get those? i used google but i failed |
| 11:54.27 | themill | dpkg: tell wenom about etch sources.list |
| 11:54.32 | Q| | how can I tell dpkg / apt, that a package is installed, even though it's not? It is installed, just by another name, but the dependency for another package requires another name |
| 11:54.47 | becks` | themill well my mediawiki stopped working with it's old plugins, so that'd be the easiest option |
| 11:55.04 | themill | wenom: (1) update etch (2) upgrade to lenny (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) (3) upgrade to squeeze (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) |
| 11:55.07 | tremon | Q|: look into equivs |
| 11:55.15 | Q| | tremon: will do, thx |
| 11:55.25 | wenom | but sir, all i wanna do is install firefox on this |
| 11:55.28 | becks` | themill which information is incorrect in the tutorial? |
| 11:55.35 | wenom | and update wont work lol |
| 11:55.42 | themill | becks`: so you have unmaintained php code as well as an unmaintained php interpreter... really.. don't do that. |
| 11:56.08 | nkuttler | wenom: you want an outdated web browser with no security support? |
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| 11:56.15 | wenom | sure |
| 11:56.44 | themill | wenom: well dpkg has given you all the information you need for that. Good luck. |
| 11:56.52 | themill | (you'll need it) |
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| 11:57.07 | wenom | i have 20 of them, these will only run some drivers license tests, and the issue is they updated some tests and the iceweasel wont recognise some stuff from there |
| 11:58.55 | themill | Q|: btw that implies mixing packages designed for different releases. This almost always ends in tears. Please seek support from your own distribution rather than hoping that #debian won't accidentally break your installation with advice that's not applicable to your derivative. |
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| 12:01.12 | Q| | themill: It's not that dramatic. I'm running Proxmox VE (based on squeeze) and just trying to get my wireless card running. I followed the debian wiki on installing the wl.ko driver with module-assistant, but unfortunately, this tool expects properly named dependecies for kernel image and modules, while the Proxmox folks for some reason decided to name their kernel image package outside of the naming conventions |
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| 12:05.26 | wenom | one more question, this upgrade, how much do you rekon it would take on one system? |
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| 12:06.05 | wenom | time wise that is |
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| 12:09.08 | wenom | oh well |
| 12:09.14 | wenom | thanks for the help people |
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| 12:09.48 | yakamo | hi, i noticed "su - username -c startx" doesnt work in squeeze anymore, is there another solution for autologin and to startx |
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| 12:11.19 | tremon | yakamo: man getty |
| 12:11.50 | yakamo | ive tried that but it ends up saying i dont have permission to run X which the user im using does |
| 12:13.10 | tremon | so, logging into a console and typing startx works? |
| 12:13.20 | yakamo | manually yes it works |
| 12:13.28 | yakamo | but i just found nodm, im going to check this out |
| 12:13.38 | yakamo | im setting up a kiosk for surfing the internet at work |
| 12:13.51 | tremon | ok |
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| 12:16.14 | themill | yakamo: to let other users run startx, you probably need "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" |
| 12:16.16 | calrogman | yakamo: When you specifiy the `-' argument to su, it has to be the last argument. Otherwise, use `-l' |
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| 12:16.34 | yakamo | calrogman: i tried it with -l as well |
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| 12:16.47 | calrogman | yakamo: Fair enough. |
| 12:16.48 | yakamo | came to the same results of not haivng the correct permission |
| 12:17.05 | yakamo | something in squeeze is different from lenny |
| 12:17.12 | yakamo | i remember doing it in lenny no prob |
| 12:17.28 | calrogman | yakamo: worksforme on Sid |
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| 12:18.30 | yakamo | im wondering if something else i have installed is conflicting with it, i doubt it but would not supprise me |
| 12:18.42 | yakamo | im looking into nodm it seems like a nice option |
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| 12:20.02 | calrogman | yakamo: nodm has serious security implications. Don't use it unless you've got your system locked up tighter than a badger's arse. |
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| 12:20.45 | vma | Hi ! is it possible to set up a dhcp server on a bridge with tagged interfaces ? |
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| 12:22.09 | vma | I have 3 nics with 1 normal bridge br0 (eth1,eth2,eth3) and one vlan bridge br1 (eth1.10, eth2.10, eth3.10) |
| 12:22.09 | valdyn | apt-cache search nodm |
| 12:22.14 | valdyn | hah, oops |
| 12:22.53 | vma | and I want 2 different dhcp pools for br0 and br1. |
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| 12:24.55 | koko__ | hello |
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| 12:25.47 | koko__ | I recently added a Debian squeeze partition to my existing Windows 7 system and Debian boots up and runs fine. However, I don't get a choice at boot up time to boot my Windows 7 system |
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| 12:26.25 | dokma|2 | koko__: did you update-grub? |
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| 12:29.16 | aspiers | anyone know offhand which package I need to install on my remote server so that I can run basic X stuff like xev/xeyes over an ssh tunnel? |
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| 12:31.32 | nkuttler | aspiers: xev/xeyes come to mind |
| 12:31.36 | nkuttler | !tell aspiers about sshx |
| 12:31.46 | koko__ | i upgrade debian after installing |
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| 12:31.51 | calrogman | aspiers: You'll need to enable X forwarding in your sshd_config. |
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| 12:32.07 | aspiers | calrogman: it's already enabled |
| 12:32.40 | nkuttler | aspiers: so you get an error? |
| 12:32.45 | aspiers | nkuttler: I already have xev and xeyes installed :) |
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| 12:32.52 | aspiers | nkuttler: $DISPLAY isn't getting set |
| 12:33.07 | calrogman | aspiers: You'll need an X server as well. |
| 12:33.15 | aspiers | calrogman: obviously :) |
| 12:33.20 | nkuttler | on the local machine |
| 12:33.21 | themill | koko__: do you have the package "os-prober" installed? |
| 12:33.31 | calrogman | aspiers: Just covering all the bases. :-) |
| 12:33.38 | nkuttler | aspiers: check the msg the bot sent you |
| 12:33.56 | koko__ | i make os-prober |
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| 12:34.13 | aspiers | nkuttler: yes, I've run Linux as my desktop since 1995 ;-) |
| 12:34.14 | koko__ | and i didnot get answer |
| 12:34.28 | tremon | aspiers: do you have xauth? |
| 12:34.39 | aspiers | tremon: that's probably the missing piece |
| 12:34.41 | aspiers | checks |
| 12:34.53 | tremon | not sure if you need it locally or on the server |
| 12:34.54 | aspiers | nope, xauth is there |
| 12:34.58 | aspiers | both ends |
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| 12:35.09 | tremon | then it's not the missing piece :) |
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| 12:35.19 | aspiers | I've been in this situation before, I just can't remember which packages are needed |
| 12:35.21 | themill | !sshx |
| 12:35.21 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>. |
| 12:35.42 | aspiers | themill: thanks but that's all the first stuff I checked |
| 12:35.54 | themill | aspiers: yeah, that should be enough. |
| 12:36.06 | aspiers | I have a feeling some basic X11 libs are needed or something |
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| 12:36.20 | aspiers | well, x11-apps depends on some I think |
| 12:36.26 | koko__ | it's ok |
| 12:36.30 | koko__ | ? |
| 12:36.40 | koko__ | apt-cache policy grub-common |
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| 12:37.18 | aspiers | ah! it was due to my use of ControlPersist |
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| 12:37.40 | aspiers | I had an old ssh master still running which didn't have X11 forwarding enabled |
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| 12:38.00 | koko__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.04 | rgr | apsiers check the solution at the end here : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/x-forwarding-though-ssh-not-working-$display-not-set-879365/ |
| 12:38.15 | aspiers | rgr: already solved it, see above |
| 12:38.25 | rgr | kewl |
| 12:38.40 | aspiers | ControlPersist is probably more trouble than it's worth :-/ |
| 12:38.48 | GNU\colossus | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/fprint - I guess there's no alternative to that in Debian? |
| 12:38.50 | rgr | googles ControlPersist |
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| 12:39.24 | themill | GNU\colossus: fprint is in debian |
| 12:39.37 | GNU\colossus | themill, not in stable though? |
| 12:40.04 | GNU\colossus | apparently. |
| 12:40.05 | GNU\colossus | a pity. |
| 12:40.10 | themill | oh... I thought it was. |
| 12:40.12 | GNU\colossus | guess I'll disable my reader again then ;) |
| 12:40.30 | GNU\colossus | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fprint&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all - it's in wheezy |
| 12:40.49 | themill | GNU\colossus: it looks backportable if you want to try |
| 12:40.53 | rgr | you might be able to pull it in. |
| 12:41.15 | GNU\colossus | themill, how would I go about that? is there a howto you can point me to? |
| 12:41.22 | themill | dpkg: tell GNU\colossus about ssb |
| 12:41.42 | rgr | Although as that german fella proved on youtube, relying on finger prints for your laptop is pretty poor if you have sensitive data. |
| 12:42.00 | aspiers | rgr: URL? |
| 12:42.05 | themill | GNU\colossus: I'm guessing you need to backport libfprint then libpam-fprint |
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| 12:42.20 | rgr | google.com ;) I'd have to too .. hang on, I'll look for you... |
| 12:42.31 | GNU\colossus | rgr, I'd actually like to have my fingerprint be my second auth factor |
| 12:42.44 | GNU\colossus | themill, thanks, I'll look into that over the weekend |
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| 12:46.35 | rgr | hmm, cant find the video I watched last year when I had finger print enabled on my T60. In fact some of the howtos have been taken down. |
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| 12:47.51 | GNU\colossus | dammit; forgot to switch to ethernet before mounting that NFS share. now _that_ explains the terrible slowness :) |
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| 12:51.15 | koko__ | I recently added a Debian squeeze partition to my existing Windows 7 system and Debian boots up and runs fine. However, I don't get a choice at boot up time to boot my Windows 7 system |
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| 12:51.35 | Q| | Anyone experience with equivs? It's telling me this: parsechangelog/debian: warning: debian/changelog(l9): found eof where expected first heading |
| 12:51.58 | Q| | I left the changelog field commented in the control file, which was provided by equivs-control filename |
| 12:52.08 | hacermacer | i need root user who gime me pls ? |
| 12:52.12 | Q| | The error is coming from equivs-build btw |
| 12:52.14 | rgr | koko, rerun update-grub from debian. |
| 12:52.23 | rgr | that fixed it for me on my netbook. |
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| 12:54.40 | GNU\colossus | I'm starting to lose track of my VM images... |
| 12:54.56 | GNU\colossus | can't for the life of mine figure out which I used to do some android development... |
| 12:55.19 | GNU\colossus | is there a usable qemu/kvm frontend that is based on gtk+ in squeeze? |
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| 12:57.43 | hacermacer | who give me a shell ? |
| 12:57.50 | koko__ | update-grub Generating grub.cfg ... Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 done |
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| 12:58.16 | tremon | koko__: os-prober installed? |
| 12:58.28 | koko__ | yeah it is |
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| 12:59.08 | themill | hacermacer: not a chance... and also the wrong channel to ask such questions |
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| 12:59.49 | nkuttler | hacermacer: install debian and get a shell for free |
| 13:00.01 | nkuttler | GNU\colossus: i like virtualbox |
| 13:00.20 | tremon | koko__: then you need to find out why os-prober isn't detecting your win7 partition. Start by tracing /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober |
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| 13:00.25 | hacermacer | :) |
| 13:00.35 | GNU\colossus | nkuttler, I don't want to change hypervisors. also, vbox' gui frontend is Qt4 based :) |
| 13:00.43 | hacermacer | can i have windows and linux on the same computer ? |
| 13:00.47 | nkuttler | oh it is? anyway.. |
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| 13:01.11 | GNU\colossus | hacermacer, in parallel using virtualization, or sequentially, using a multi-boot system |
| 13:01.54 | hacermacer | :) i need to learn so more |
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| 13:05.04 | Q| | I have a custom kernel provided by my distribution, as well as the sources. There's one specific driver missing. I also have the original debian kernel sources of the same version as my distributors kernel, which is based on these original sources anyways. The debian sources HAVE the driver I need. How can I use these sources to create the module for the distributor kernel? |
| 13:05.13 | tremon | koko__: no one expected you to get a message, that's why I told you to trace it, not run it (sh -x) |
| 13:05.49 | Q| | I guess it's not as easy as copying over the sources directory for the driver in question and restart make menuconfig? |
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| 13:07.06 | themill | Q|: please ask your distribution. They may have disabled it for reasons we don't know about or may be able to point you to a newer kernel that already works. |
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| 13:08.06 | koko__ | i run tremon |
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| 13:10.00 | Q| | themill: I can, and will do this, but it'll take a couple of days until I get my response. Until then, I'd like to test it out myself. It's more out of curiosity if I can get it to work (it's a dev box, ready to be re-installed if I feel like) |
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| 13:11.11 | themill | Q|: experiment away. But support for proxmox goes to proxmox, not #debian. |
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| 13:17.39 | Hans_Henrik | loft1293:/home/hanshenrik# sudo iptables-apply E: cannot read /etc/network/iptables |
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| 13:19.32 | Q| | themill: This is more a basic question as to how to compile a kernel module the debian way rather then being related to proxmox. The why's and whatnot related to the proxmox kernel is something I'll redirect to them, but I'd like a pointer to "compiling kernel modules the debian way". Or is that pretty much a standard procedure not specific to debian? I'd ask the #linux guys then in this case |
| 13:19.57 | aguitel | how upgrade to xfce 4.10 ? |
| 13:20.27 | themill | dpkg: tell Q| about make-kpkg |
| 13:20.34 | themill | Q|: you get to keep both bits when it breaks |
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| 13:21.48 | Q| | themill: Allright. That looks like the information I need for this task, thanks a lot :) |
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| 13:23.01 | dpkg | feudov: vede http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:38.18 | wqe | hi how are you |
| 13:38.37 | wqe | #debian-es |
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| 13:58.05 | mynameisdeleted | so........ multiple machines on shared filesystem + multiple users + multiple concurent logins based on kde + nepomuk enabled + raid resyncing at the same time = bad news |
| 13:58.24 | mynameisdeleted | nepomuk does not seem multi-user network env friendly |
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| 13:58.52 | mynameisdeleted | whats a good alternative thats friendly to multiple users on multiple computers sharing the same root fs? |
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| 13:59.58 | tremon | mynameisdeleted: desktop virtualization |
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| 14:00.12 | mynameisdeleted | which does? |
| 14:00.23 | mynameisdeleted | does it index al files on my computer wihtout reading or writing to the disk as much? |
| 14:00.41 | tremon | how do you index without reading? |
| 14:00.56 | mynameisdeleted | I was hoping to only have root do indexing |
| 14:01.01 | Trewas | mynameisdeleted: wouldn't it be easiest to just disable nepomuk? it is not doing anything useful anyway |
| 14:01.02 | mynameisdeleted | and everyone else reads indexes made by root |
| 14:01.06 | mynameisdeleted | like locatedb |
| 14:01.08 | tremon | kde itself is already not nfs-friendly, which I assume you're using |
| 14:01.10 | mynameisdeleted | but with contents of some files |
| 14:01.18 | mynameisdeleted | I disabled nepomuk now |
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| 14:01.32 | mynameisdeleted | is gnome more nfs-friendly |
| 14:01.44 | mynameisdeleted | also does glusterfs handle that better than nfs? |
| 14:02.00 | mynameisdeleted | without nepomuk kde seems to work fine for me |
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| 14:02.17 | mynameisdeleted | with many dirs mounted as tmpfs on the boot script for network clients |
| 14:02.25 | mynameisdeleted | so like dbus is seperate on a per system basis |
| 14:02.46 | mynameisdeleted | rsh and ssh are set to DISPLAY gets sent directly if its between machiens on the same network |
| 14:02.52 | hacermacer | bye m gone |
| 14:02.57 | tremon | not sure about current gnome. I've never bothered with apps or system over nfs |
| 14:03.17 | mynameisdeleted | I think kde is freindly enough for me withotu nepomuk |
| 14:03.25 | mynameisdeleted | I just kill it and moved all service files |
| 14:03.28 | mynameisdeleted | so no user can enable it |
| 14:03.59 | mynameisdeleted | sound is based on jackd and pulseaudio |
| 14:04.05 | mynameisdeleted | so... 1 set of speakers per room |
| 14:04.08 | mynameisdeleted | any computer can use them |
| 14:04.16 | tremon | I'd rather use managed local installs or remote X sessions than system-over-nfs personally |
| 14:04.17 | mynameisdeleted | printer is shared too |
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| 14:04.21 | mikul | if i would like to try the new gimp 2.8 from source code, should I then remove the old gimp 2.6 first? |
| 14:04.33 | tremon | also, can't you confine nepomuk to only scan a user's home dir? |
| 14:04.51 | mynameisdeleted | that might be a solution |
| 14:04.59 | mynameisdeleted | I put tons of data in my home dir |
| 14:05.05 | mynameisdeleted | so I'd rather keep it just off |
| 14:05.25 | mynameisdeleted | why buy 3TB drives to make the array if you have to keep home dirs small/ |
| 14:05.53 | mynameisdeleted | 6*3TB for a couple users only seems like a waste if home dirs are size limited |
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| 14:07.59 | somiaj | mikul: it depends. Once you compile the source code you have to install it. with things like uupdate you could probabaly compile the source code into a debian package and then install/remove it with dpkg (in which case it will upgrade the installed gimp) |
| 14:08.03 | moty66 | discovered sshfs |
| 14:08.26 | tremon | wrt your earlier question, desktop virtualisation moves the desktop and its apps into your datacenter, and leaves the client with a dumb terminal (again). It's no different than teletype or X terminals of yore |
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| 14:08.35 | somiaj | mikul: some source code packages you can run right in the source tree (no installing it on the system). Some you can install in /usr/local -- in which case it can be instaled beside your current version. |
| 14:08.55 | somiaj | mikul: note if you use 'make install' to install it in /usr/local make sure the souce code has a make uninstall or use something like gnu stow |
| 14:09.35 | tremon | with the obvious benefit that app->file accesses are local again, instead of travelling between the user's desktop and the server(s) |
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| 14:15.00 | mikul | somiaj, installing into /usr/local sounds like a good solution =) |
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| 14:15.37 | mikul | Will try that.. Just gonna look trough so i have all dependencyÂ’s |
| 14:15.44 | somiaj | mikul: note that since /usr/local is in the path before /usr, it should be teh prefered gimp to run. There could possibaly be conflict, but it usually works. building your own debian package is the best bet |
| 14:15.54 | somiaj | mikul: look into uupdate and apt-get build-dep gimp |
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| 14:16.29 | somiaj | !uupdate |
| 14:16.29 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
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| 14:17.07 | plotino | hello everybody |
| 14:17.18 | plotino | i have just installed debian 6.0 |
| 14:17.23 | plotino | on my desktop |
| 14:17.32 | plotino | but i have some issue with video card |
| 14:17.48 | plotino | i have an old nvidia geforce4 mmx |
| 14:18.21 | plotino | with 23'' monitor that i would be working in 1920x1080 resolution |
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| 14:19.26 | mikul | somiaj, okey, will look into that.. sounds like that may be easier maybe =) |
| 14:19.44 | plotino | how to install the non-free nvidia driver on my system?? |
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| 14:19.52 | plotino | anybody can help me? |
| 14:20.39 | somiaj | mikul: it will be easier to deal with a .deb (or collection of them) at the end of the compile more than mixing/matching debs/source installs |
| 14:21.06 | mikul | plotino, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:21.17 | somiaj | mikul: it will probabaly be slighty more complicated than just compiling. Espically if you are new to making debs (the tools are mostly automatic if things are nice, but it is slightly different than just './configure && make' |
| 14:21.22 | plotino | alredy read |
| 14:21.26 | plotino | but get me confised |
| 14:21.30 | plotino | confused |
| 14:21.34 | somiaj | I'd think the nouveau would work fine with that card |
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| 14:21.41 | plotino | i have to run the .run script |
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| 14:21.46 | plotino | thats all? |
| 14:22.00 | plotino | infact somiaj |
| 14:22.03 | somiaj | install the drivers from debian. Don't use the nvidia run script |
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| 14:22.26 | plotino | at the moment "lspci -k" shows im using that driver ... |
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| 14:22.33 | mikul | somiaj, yeah im kinda new to compailing my own debd, so the eyasiest soulution is probably the best one =) |
| 14:22.45 | plotino | somiaj, how to do that? |
| 14:22.56 | plotino | there is a package in synoptic? |
| 14:22.59 | somiaj | plotino: that page you were linked tells you how to do that |
| 14:23.18 | somiaj | its one of the nvidia-kernel-dkms-legacy and nvidia-glx-legacy packages |
| 14:23.24 | somiaj | not sure which one is best for a gforce4 |
| 14:23.38 | somiaj | mikul: time to learn. For the most part you don't do much different. |
| 14:23.50 | somiaj | plotino: so my guess is you didn't read that page you said you did |
| 14:24.11 | plotino | frankly not completely |
| 14:24.18 | plotino | it's very long |
| 14:24.22 | leto | Hi, I'm doing a fresh install of debian, but I'm facing a fatal error because grub can't be installed. Any idea to solve it please? :) |
| 14:24.35 | plotino | im italian and it's written in english |
| 14:24.42 | somiaj | damn its out dated to, you shouldn't need module-assistance anymore. use the kernel-dkms packages |
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| 14:27.44 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 14:28.50 | johnfg | Is there a file/log written somewhere that tells what has been installed when? Something I installed/updated, which used a newer resolvconf, has screwed up my dns. |
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| 14:30.49 | johnfg | I've removed the resolvconf package, but want to remove the program that needed resolvconf too. |
| 14:31.30 | calrogman | johnfg: /var/log/apt/history.log* |
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| 14:32.29 | johnfg | calrogman, Thanks. I'll check it out. |
| 14:33.23 | mynameisdeleted | I prefer local graphics in some cases ot local files |
| 14:33.27 | lasers | Hi. Anybody here use rxvt-unicode-* here? |
| 14:33.38 | lasers | (Meh. No need for twice here. D'oh!) |
| 14:33.40 | mynameisdeleted | google earth and secondlife and quake4 are 3 examples of applicaitons that dont like remote graphics |
| 14:33.53 | mynameisdeleted | infiniband gives all the disk I/O you need |
| 14:33.55 | mynameisdeleted | to the server |
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| 14:33.59 | nkuttler | !anybody |
| 14:34.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:34.09 | mynameisdeleted | so N apps running 1 one box has the same disk I/O as on many boxes |
| 14:34.46 | lasers | nkuttler: Okay okay. :) |
| 14:34.55 | mynameisdeleted | virtualization on one system vs multiple boxes over infiniband-based network file system just creates a lower cpu bottle-neck |
| 14:35.29 | lasers | To those using rxvt-unicode, is it possible to change settings on the live? Or is it common practice to make changes, xrdb .Xdefaults, open a new terminal? |
| 14:35.55 | lasers | (And how do I disable underline for links) |
| 14:36.06 | mynameisdeleted | also virtualization on one box doesnt really benifit from distcc or pvm or mpi apps |
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| 14:38.59 | mynameisdeleted | I love to be able to dispatch 20 jobs at a time |
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| 14:41.50 | abdelix | how to set proxy system wide? |
| 14:42.00 | mynameisdeleted | I gues I can expand 20 cores over nfs further by attaching thin-clients to them segmented to different boxes |
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| 14:53.49 | Izual | Hi, I have a debian VM and I have the following weird situation: I have setup apache and the download speed was extremly low (3-4 KB/s), then installed lighttpd to ensure it wasn't apache's problem but I have the same situation, so I thought it is OS related. Is there any way or hint to check it? |
| 14:54.13 | johnfg | I can ping my ftp.mydomain.org (name changed), but I'm getting connection refused. |
| 14:54.30 | johnfg | The rest of the network I think I have back to normal. |
| 14:54.41 | johnfg | Would resolvconf have changed something else? |
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| 14:56.19 | johnfg | Well, I think I've got the network mostly back to normal, but not all. |
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| 14:57.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any directions to take a reprepro created repository and make a DVD repository disc from it? |
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| 14:57.54 | Jacruth | Hi there, I think this is not the best place to ask it, but I have updated my Debian-based OS and now my keyboard shortcuts doesn't work. Do you know what daemon or thing does manage it or what should I reinstall in order to bring it back? |
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| 14:58.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Jacruth: Maybe tell us the actual distro and we can point you to the right location? |
| 14:58.49 | johnfg | Jacruth, What DE/WM are you using? And did you update stable? Or did you go from lenny > squeeze? |
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| 14:59.57 | Jacruth | I'm using Damn Small Linux |
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| 15:00.20 | Jacruth | I updated stable |
| 15:01.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | Damn Small Linux is no longer in active development. |
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| 15:03.52 | Jacruth | rebooting |
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| 15:07.51 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 15:10.41 | lancelot_of | i've some huge files on a server i must get on my machine but i can access this server only through another one "gateway". how to use sftp in this case?os whichever other tool?please help |
| 15:10.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | I created a repository DVD using reprepro and I ran "apt-cdrom add" and it asked me what to call my DVD, so I typed in Debian-Multimedia. But I want to change this. But I tried removing it from the sources.list file and adding it back but it doesnt ask me for a new name. Where is this old source name saved to so I can edit it? |
| 15:11.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh NM there is a apt-cdrom -r (rename option) doh |
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| 15:16.27 | lancelot_of | no suggestions for me? |
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| 15:17.27 | calrogman | lancelot_of: Use SSH tunneling? |
| 15:17.54 | lancelot_of | calrogman, in other words?could you explain me? |
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| 15:21.55 | calrogman | lancelot_of: There are no other words. Look at man ssh. |
| 15:22.10 | tvmaniac | hi all i need help using tv device (wintv pvr 150) & VLC |
| 15:22.25 | themill | lancelot_of: you can either use ssh's ProxyCommand to set up the tunnel first or you could play with something like sshuttle. |
| 15:22.26 | lancelot_of | calrogman, so no use of sftp? |
| 15:22.41 | themill | lancelot_of: sftp is using ssh |
| 15:22.43 | tvmaniac | when i do cvlc v4l2:////dev/video0 -vv |
| 15:22.43 | tvmaniac | it says segmentation falt |
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| 15:23.58 | lancelot_of | themill, so using sftp user@gateway plus some options for tunneling?or directly ssh/sshuttle? |
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| 15:26.20 | themill | lancelot_of: if you stick the ProxyCommand config in your .ssh/config then you don't need to specify anything different on the commandline for ssh/sftp/scp/rsync than you normally would if there were no intermediate hop required. sshuttle is slightly different in that it creates a poor-man's-vpn so you'd sshuttle to the intermediate in one window and then just ssh/sftp/etc in another |
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| 15:29.51 | lancelot_of | themill, sorry but i'm not expert of networking on linux. could you please show me an example, considering i must get files on server 2 which i can reach only through a gateway server 1?consider now to work i've to: ssh -XYC user@server 1 then from there ssh -XYC sameuser@server2 and files are in server2/somedir |
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| 15:30.39 | pjc_ | hi |
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| 15:32.28 | johnfg | Where would ftp write its log files? |
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| 15:33.11 | calrogman | lancelot_of: ssh -n -f user@gateway -L 12345:behind.gateway:22; sftp gateway -P 12345 |
| 15:33.26 | calrogman | lancelot_of: It's not hard to work this out if you RTFM carefully. |
| 15:33.29 | themill | lancelot_of: «ssh -o "ProxyCommand ssh -W server2:22 server1" user@server2» should do it. |
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| 15:34.24 | johnfg | Any idea why my ftp is refusing connections? |
| 15:34.45 | johnfg | As I stated earlier, I can ping it, np, so the port's open. |
| 15:34.47 | calrogman | I imagine it would be logging in /var/log like everything else. |
| 15:35.01 | johnfg | calrogman, It's not in syslog. |
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| 15:35.12 | calrogman | johnfg: I didn't say it was. I said /var/log |
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| 15:36.07 | johnfg | calrogman, Ok, I mean /var/log/syslog; it's not in there, and it's not anywhere when I do from /var/log, and ls -R|grep ftp. |
| 15:36.15 | johnfg | s/mean/meant/ |
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| 15:36.49 | calrogman | Okay, what ftp server are you using? |
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| 15:38.24 | tremon | johnfg: grep -ir ftp /var/log ? |
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| 15:41.03 | johnfg | tremon, Ok, that got the info I needed. Thanks. |
| 15:41.17 | johnfg | tremon, Now, just to understand what happened. |
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| 15:47.11 | o11c | How can I override the version of gcc used when building a package? |
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| 15:47.57 | tremon | o11c: depends on the build system. Generally, CC=gcc-to-be-used |
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| 15:48.15 | o11c | I tried that, but debuild is unsetting it from the env |
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| 15:48.48 | tremon | can you set it in debian/rules (or the like)? |
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| 15:49.23 | CuteAlien | Hi! Some trouble with my new debian system. I have right now 2 debian systems connected at my dsl-modem over lan. And the new one constantly drops the connection after a short time. So if I just run a ping it starts again after a while, but running the ping for a minute it drops again. Starting it again it takes a little then starts again, etc. |
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| 15:49.54 | CuteAlien | syslog tells me "eth0: link up" not more. |
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| 15:50.04 | CuteAlien | And I'm not really sure where I should look to fix this. |
| 15:50.29 | CuteAlien | syslog tells me that on each connection I mean (so every 1-2 minutes) |
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| 15:51.07 | CuteAlien | Modem on the other hand never mentions a disconnect |
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| 15:51.32 | tremon | CuteAlien: do you see "link down" messages too? I'd still blame the modem |
| 15:51.41 | CuteAlien | no link down - only link up |
| 15:51.42 | tremon | try different wiring or different modem port |
| 15:52.07 | CuteAlien | tremon, I don't think it's the modem - having another OS running I don't have the problem. |
| 15:52.12 | o11c | kind of nasty, but yay, it's building! |
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| 15:52.45 | tremon | CuteAlien: that's kind of essential information you know :) |
| 15:53.22 | tremon | CuteAlien: see if you can alter the speed negotiation settings (I think you need ethtool for that) |
| 15:53.32 | CuteAlien | tremon, yeah. Could still be it just starting having the trouble so I'd have to double-check other OS. But I think it's some timer-setting rather. |
| 15:53.33 | o11c | note to self: since the whole reason I'm doing this is because of binary incompatibility between gcc 4.6 and 4.7, do NOT leave this package installed on the system |
| 15:54.23 | tremon | o11c: Debian preferred "note to self" system is "at", not "irc" |
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| 15:55.33 | CuteAlien | ping error I get when it starts failing is "Destination Host Unreachable" by the way. |
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| 15:56.03 | tremon | CuteAlien: also, if it's a recent nic, check whether you need firmware and whether you have the most recent version |
| 15:56.09 | o11c | :P |
| 15:56.35 | CuteAlien | It's a fresh install. I might need all kind of stuff, I just don't know yet _what_ I might need.... |
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| 15:57.04 | CuteAlien | I was wondering if there is maybe some other log-file with more info than var/log/syslog for this. |
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| 15:57.52 | tremon | CuteAlien: /var/log/debug, but I don't expect it to have more information on this topic |
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| 15:58.58 | o11c | gah, now cmake is ignoring me |
| 15:59.02 | CuteAlien | hm, last message there from login-time. No IPV6 routers present. Maybe it wants IPV6 by default? |
| 15:59.34 | tremon | ipv4 vs ipv6 wouldn't produce link-state messages |
| 16:00.05 | tremon | it's really to do with either the nic itself (firmware), the other end (modem) or the wiring |
| 16:00.16 | blinton | Why when I try to install "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" on debian squeeze I get a message "Package sun-java6-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:00.17 | blinton | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 16:00.18 | blinton | is only available from another source"? I know this package requires a license agreement, does that have something to do with it? Or do I need to add another package repository? |
| 16:00.20 | tremon | or the driver of course |
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| 16:01.11 | tremon | blinton: the official jre is only available from oracle, but there may still be a download script in contrib, similar to how flashplayer is handled |
| 16:01.27 | blinton | thanks tremon |
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| 16:07.26 | CuteAlien | Guess I'll just run ping for a while. Seems so far it always shuts every 3 minutes for a few seconds before it connects again. |
| 16:07.54 | CuteAlien | Could there be any timer for something like this somewhere in a new install? |
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| 16:15.12 | lancelot_of | calrogman, themill great!thank you very much! |
| 16:15.15 | lancelot_of | it works! |
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| 16:15.34 | CuteAlien | tremon, ok, seems there are known driver problems for my chipset, damn :-(. Thanks anyway, you pushed me in the right direction, guess I'll just have to get a network card (installing custom driver is also a solution it seems, but that's always painful in the long run in my experience). |
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| 16:16.04 | Gm3 | Hello people, How can i lock users to their home directory, so they can't even do "ls -l /", just restrict them to only use commands on/in their directory |
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| 16:17.30 | dawud | Gm3: use rbash, but you'll have to take other measures also |
| 16:17.52 | dawud | Gm3: that if you don't want to chroot them |
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| 16:18.05 | rhom | is it possible to use apt/dpkg in redhat based systems ? |
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| 16:18.46 | dawud | rhom: I don't think so. The other way round is possible, though |
| 16:19.03 | Gm3 | What's the easiest way? since i have to make a remote script to do it |
| 16:19.37 | dawud | Gm3: depends on what you want to implement |
| 16:20.23 | Gm3 | oke if i have the user atw, and i want him restricted to /home/atw/ and he can't come any higher |
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| 16:20.49 | Gm3 | what can be the fastest way? |
| 16:21.27 | rhom | dawud: any + info about other way around? |
| 16:21.27 | dawud | Gm3: rbash does that, but you need to tweak users' PATH and provide one yourself for those users, i.e. they can't call bash themselves |
| 16:21.52 | dawud | rhom: other way round I meant using rpm/yum in debian systems |
| 16:22.05 | calrogman | Asking questions like "what is the fastest" or "easiest" way to restrict permissions is not a very good approach to security. |
| 16:22.05 | Gm3 | oke that sounds pretty logic, could you tell me where i can find some information about it, or could give me an small example ? |
| 16:22.25 | Gm3 | i know i know, wasn't good to say, i ment fastest secured way ofc |
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| 16:22.45 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 16:23.04 | rhom | dawud: I don't mean using alien . I mean using the packet manager itself! |
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| 16:23.30 | o11c | well, it turns out it's a bug in gcc 4.7 |
| 16:23.38 | dawud | rhom: and that's what I mean. yum and rpm are available as deb packages |
| 16:24.12 | rhom | dawud: check this http://apt-rpm.org/ |
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| 16:24.39 | Xtreme | guys how to remove universal access from my taskbar, near system clock?? |
| 16:24.55 | Gm3 | And is there any package to download rbash? |
| 16:25.30 | o11c | rbash is just bash |
| 16:25.52 | dawud | rhom: kinda stalled... (Roadmap (updated 08.08.2010)) |
| 16:25.55 | o11c | but when called with that name, it implies the -r option |
| 16:26.07 | Xtreme | anyone? |
| 16:26.18 | rhom | dawud: yup! :| |
| 16:26.24 | o11c | Xtreme: right-click on it? |
| 16:26.39 | Xtreme | no option after right clicking on it |
| 16:27.06 | o11c | Xtreme: this is probably not the best place for asking that kind of question, though ... not sure where the best place would be, though |
| 16:27.16 | wuffi600 | where can i find documentation about how to use debian installer of kfreebsd . I'v been struggling around for 2 hours but can not get it run. My System has got only one disk. I would like the entire disk as a raw-device for a zpool, then install debian inside a single zfs. is there documentation that could help me? |
| 16:27.30 | tharkun | W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 16:27.38 | Xtreme | well this is debian chat support room right? |
| 16:27.47 | Xtreme | ollc |
| 16:27.52 | o11c | Xtreme: oh, it's not off-topic |
| 16:27.55 | Xtreme | o11c: ^^ |
| 16:28.05 | o11c | just, the kind of people who hang around on irc ... |
| 16:28.26 | tharkun | Xtreme: which wm are you using? |
| 16:28.44 | Xtreme | tharkun: gnome |
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| 16:29.20 | tharkun | Ok, hang around someone will know your answer and come to the rescue, just be a little patient. |
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| 16:45.30 | omeringen | hi |
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| 16:45.42 | omeringen | is there any debian KDE edition ? |
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| 16:46.02 | omeringen | i mean, i want directly KDE on installing progress |
| 16:46.09 | themill | dpkg: tell omeringen about install kde |
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| 16:46.46 | themill | omeringen: there's an installer image that will install kde straight off, or you can use any other installer image with what dpkg told you |
| 16:47.18 | omeringen | can i do this via "netinst" images |
| 16:47.35 | babilen | Sure -- It is explained in the factoid dpkg (our bot) just sent you in a private message. |
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| 16:47.55 | omeringen | oky, gonna check it out on my virtual machine |
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| 16:49.36 | CuteAlien | I know there's at least a live DVD (with installer) with KDE. But still KDE 4.4.5 I think - you might want to test the Live-DVD first, at least on my last system it worked horrible (which is why I switched to gnome now despite being a KDE-fan). |
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| 16:50.16 | omeringen | testing on wheezy netinst image now |
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| 16:53.47 | omeringen | i am using linux mint 12 KDE now, just wanted to use debian :) maybe i can install it on an extra partition |
| 16:54.25 | CuteAlien | Yeah, my problem as well. Would like KDE, but also want to stay on Debian *sigh*. |
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| 16:55.52 | CuteAlien | But maybe it works better for you, could be I was just unlucky with last system. |
| 16:56.27 | omeringen | mint is working fine at the moment, dunno i am gonna try debian in next days if i got some more free time |
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| 16:58.30 | sauvin | has been using KDE on debian for years almost exclusively |
| 16:59.39 | nkuttler | hasn't |
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| 17:00.32 | nomicon | kde between 1998-2003, then gnome ever since |
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| 17:01.26 | CuteAlien | I've also used it for years, but 4.4.5 had clipping-errors, crashes and some strange settings, so I have up one day. |
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| 17:01.41 | CuteAlien | s/have/gave |
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| 17:01.59 | CuteAlien | Will go back to it next debian release maybe. |
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| 17:02.45 | omeringen | i really tried to use cinnamon/mate etc. but i couldn't manage to get used to them. |
| 17:03.43 | omeringen | i liked KDE, maybe because i newly started to use linux on my computer nowadays. Still have MSWindows habbits |
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| 17:03.52 | omeringen | :P |
| 17:03.54 | Trewas | um isn't the only point of mate that you don't have to get used to anything newer than gnome 2.something? |
| 17:04.12 | CuteAlien | I get used to anything as long as it works. Problem was that it simply didn't do that. |
| 17:04.16 | Iridos | how about ratpoison... you could try to get used to that |
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| 17:04.40 | CuteAlien | Once the desktop starts crashing on you regularly it's time to leave. |
| 17:05.01 | omeringen | ratpoison ? do i need to laugh to that |
| 17:05.04 | omeringen | -.- |
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| 17:05.23 | CuteAlien | ratpoison... healthy name :-) |
| 17:05.25 | Iridos | CuteAlien, I thought that's the point where you try to get it fixed |
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| 17:06.11 | omeringen | wTh, 1187 users |
| 17:06.13 | CuteAlien | Iridos, I got enough to fix already in the projects in which I'm involved :-) |
| 17:06.15 | omeringen | loL |
| 17:08.26 | Iridos | CuteAlien, ah, I see... stuff crashes on you |
| 17:08.29 | CuteAlien | Actually the problems had already been fixed mostly (or so others told me), but in newer KDE. So for now all I can do is wait until Debian switches to that (or get away from stable, but I love stable otherwise) |
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| 17:09.07 | Iridos | so what do I need to bring when I want to get a pgp key signed |
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| 17:16.57 | tparcina_ | Why is Debain using Debbugs as bug tracking system? |
| 17:17.14 | tparcina_ | As far as I see it, it isn't user frendly. |
| 17:17.37 | ompaul | patches welcome |
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| 17:17.50 | themill | tparcina_: it's very user friendly -- you just fire off an email to submit a but, no registration necessary. |
| 17:17.55 | aguitel | anyway to upgrade xfce 4.8 to xfce 4.10 ? |
| 17:18.17 | tparcina_ | ompaul: I don't think it needs patches, I think it needs to be changed for something else. |
| 17:18.22 | themill | aguitel: no. not for the forseeable future. |
| 17:18.52 | o11c | assuming it lets you send email |
| 17:19.22 | tparcina_ | themill: It is missing features that other bug tracking system have - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue_tracking_systems |
| 17:19.26 | themill | o11c: reportbug will offer to use a debian MTA if you don't have one locally configured. |
| 17:19.46 | themill | tparcina_: and every other bug tracker I've seen misses lots of features that the bts has. Now what? |
| 17:19.47 | tparcina_ | themill: One of them is web interface. |
| 17:19.50 | o11c | well, in my experience it just went into a black hold |
| 17:19.56 | themill | tparcina_: it has a web interface. |
| 17:20.04 | aguitel | themill, when will be avaleable ? |
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| 17:20.38 | themill | aguitel: no idea. You could try searching the developer's mailing list as they have probably discussed this. |
| 17:20.52 | aguitel | ok |
| 17:20.56 | tremon | ,versions xfce4 |
| 17:20.57 | aguitel | thaks |
| 17:20.57 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 17:21.44 | tremon | aguitel: if you're running testing/sid, you can get it from experimental. Otherwise, wait until the next debian release |
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| 17:22.10 | tparcina_ | themill: Can you please inform me what are those features? |
| 17:22.45 | tremon | tparcina_: how is this helpful to others on this channel? |
| 17:23.07 | themill | tparcina_: user tagging and integration with the rest of the debian archive are probably the most important two. And I can't see any uses *for debian* for the rest of features listed there as "missing". |
| 17:23.29 | aguitel | tremon, i am in testing |
| 17:23.50 | tparcina_ | themill: Yes, but in that web interface you can't edit. |
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| 17:24.36 | themill | tparcina_: that's the one and only feature that *might* be an advantage to have in debbugs from that list. But the debian developers who actually have to use the thing don't agree with you. |
| 17:25.00 | aguitel | tremon, how i get from experimental |
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| 17:25.37 | tremon | aguitel: add a new sources.list entry for experimental and run apt-get update |
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| 17:26.00 | aguitel | Trellmor, i did but no new upgrade found |
| 17:26.20 | aguitel | tremon, i did but no new upgrade found |
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| 17:26.24 | tparcina_ | tremon: There is other channel that is more apropraite to talk about bug tracking system that Debian uses? |
| 17:26.28 | aguitel | Trellmor, sorry |
| 17:26.58 | tremon | tparcina_: imho, #debian-offtopic might be more appropriate |
| 17:27.34 | tremon | aguitel: you should be very happy that apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade your system to experimental. Have you tried apt-get install xfce4/experimental? |
| 17:27.53 | aguitel | tremon, no |
| 17:27.53 | tremon | you'll probably have more success with aptitude |
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| 17:28.23 | aguitel | tremon, i add this line:deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 17:28.29 | themill | tparcina_: this is a user support channel -- if you want to help with improving debbugs then join their developer channel. If you have a coherent and well thought-out strategy on how to switch to a different bug tracker and not break the rest of the debian infrastructure, then suggest it on the debian-devel mailing list. If you're just here to whinge that you want a web ui for reporting bugs, then I'm afraid that discussion has happened enough times. |
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| 17:29.00 | tremon | aguitel: that's good |
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| 17:29.19 | aguitel | tremon, i will try again |
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| 17:29.33 | rainfyre | hey everyone. I just (re)installed debian onto an old powerbook last night, loaded my wifi drivers and got everything working. now that I've rebooted I can't connect to my wifi. |
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| 17:30.03 | rainfyre | there isn't a wifi light on my computer and I think that my wireless card isn't being recognized. how can I tell if it's working? |
| 17:30.04 | tparcina_ | themill: Thank you. I'll switch to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:30.56 | dawud | rainfyre: start by lspci and see if it's there |
| 17:32.16 | rainfyre | dawud: it's there, and I just did an iwlist wlan0 scan and that's working |
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| 17:33.39 | rainfyre | dawud: just connected |
| 17:33.52 | dawud | rainfyre: ok. problem solved then? |
| 17:34.17 | rainfyre | dawud: yes, had to do /etc/init.d/network-manager stop :p |
| 17:34.21 | rainfyre | now it's working |
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| 17:34.56 | dawud | rainfyre: you should either configure nm properly or disable it for the next restart (insserv/chkconfig) |
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| 17:37.18 | rainfyre | dawud: thank you, I'm still putting this thing together |
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| 17:37.53 | GNU\colossus | themill, backporting the packages went fine, however, I had to find that my fingerprint reader wasn't supported by libfprint anyway, because the manufacturer won't provide specs. :( |
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| 17:37.59 | GNU\colossus | makes me a sad panda |
| 17:38.08 | themill | ;( |
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| 17:40.42 | metaphysician | Why is that the squeeze repository has a version of package which is later than the version of the same package in the squeeze-updates repository? |
| 17:40.55 | themill | metaphysician: which package? |
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| 17:41.15 | metaphysician | themill: for instance linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 17:42.25 | tharkun | May 5 12:33:26 merry kernel: [14170.817197] cupsd[1246]: segfault at 0 ip b749e5b0 sp bfefc0a8 error 4 in libc-2.11.3.so[b742b000+140000] ?? |
| 17:42.35 | themill | metaphysician: squeeze, squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates (security.d.o) are separate repos -- packages in squeeze-updates may be superseded by a package from squeeze/updates and then the updated package gets copied into squeeze at the time of a point release. |
| 17:42.39 | mynameisdeleted | quick question |
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| 17:42.43 | mynameisdeleted | sudo mdadm --grow -l 5 /dev/md0 |
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| 17:42.55 | mynameisdeleted | will that work on a runtime level1 raid array thats mounted? |
| 17:43.03 | mynameisdeleted | says it should in man page |
| 17:43.10 | metaphysician | themill: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 http://fpaste.org/Pj75/ |
| 17:43.16 | mynameisdeleted | also mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd2 shoudl work too as far as I can tell |
| 17:43.25 | themill | metaphysician: ideally, having out-of-date packages in "updates" repos shouldn't happen but the archive kit requires someone to sort-of-manually decruft situations like this. |
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| 17:43.30 | tharkun | What is wrong with cups, it segfaulted on two different machines with two different kernels i386 and amd64 anyone have an idea on how to look for the offender? |
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| 17:43.34 | mynameisdeleted | then the onyl part htat requires reboot is resize2fs |
| 17:43.51 | themill | metaphysician: (just to confuse you further, there's also a newer package still in squeeze-proposed-updates!) |
| 17:43.52 | mynameisdeleted | which can be passed as an init parameter to the boot comand |
| 17:44.14 | mynameisdeleted | or run from within my initrd manually before I run a mount and pivot_fs and exec /sbin/init command to resume boot normally |
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| 17:45.06 | metaphysician | themill: but during a point release, isn't the squeeze-updates repository emptied? |
| 17:45.24 | themill | packages are copied; I don't believe they are "moved". |
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| 17:45.33 | Iridos | tharkun, stop it, run with gdb --args /usr/sbin/cupsd -f #type "run", provoke crash, type "bt", see if it's useful or if you have to recompile with debugging symbols |
| 17:46.14 | Iridos | actually I guess I could make a "backtrace" factoid? |
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| 17:48.27 | tharkun | Iridos: feel free to make the backtrace factoid. And sorry for the spamming it is one of those heavy days at the office and i don't need my phone ringing because the damn printer ain't working. Anyway thanks |
| 17:49.02 | Iridos | spamming? |
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| 17:49.18 | Iridos | oh, you said stuff before... :P only followed #d with one eye, really doing something else |
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| 17:50.36 | Iridos | tharkun, oh, and that already seems to contain at least some of the info (or lack thereof) you gain with gdb |
| 17:51.54 | Iridos | tharkun, crash happens somewhere in libc-2.11.3.so but can't say in what function because you're missing debugging symbols |
| 17:52.58 | tharkun | Ok, now i understood your full statement. It is going to get tricky to pinpoint the problem. Anyway. so gdb is the "Path to Enlightment" I'll research on how to use it. Thanks |
| 17:53.03 | Iridos | if you want to know what function it's in, install libc6-dbg |
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| 17:53.43 | Iridos | tharkun, well, dunno if you really want to debug it this way forever... I would think most likely cause to be mixing distributions in some way... |
| 17:53.46 | Iridos | judd, versions libc6 |
| 17:53.47 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-32; wheezy: 2.13-32 |
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| 17:54.04 | Iridos | judd, versions cups |
| 17:54.05 | judd | Package: cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny10; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny10; squeeze: 1.4.4-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.4-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.5.2-5; sid: 1.5.2-10 |
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| 17:54.31 | tharkun | Iridos: no, Since both machines where fresh installs there is no way they could have mixed releases |
| 17:54.38 | Iridos | hm |
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| 17:54.56 | Iridos | dpkg, segfault |
| 17:54.56 | dpkg | [sig11] Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ Also ask me about <memtest>. |
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| 17:55.42 | Iridos | if new machines, suspect the RAM? |
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| 17:56.14 | Iridos | I dunno... weird in any case you see that with two different machines and amd64/i386 |
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| 17:56.39 | tharkun | Iridos: no, both are quite sturdy machines. But neither have UPS so it might have been a powersurge |
| 17:56.45 | Iridos | and I would very much doubt that those crashes happen for everyone else, too... they surely didn't happen for me |
| 17:57.32 | tharkun | As for the time involved they where near at the same time so everythings points to a powersurge |
| 17:57.36 | Iridos | well... _something_ is the cause |
| 17:57.55 | Iridos | well... but shouldn't then the whole system crash |
| 17:58.10 | Iridos | and not just one puny process, also both times the same process and in the same library? |
| 17:58.32 | Iridos | oh, but so you're saying you can't really reproduce the segfault |
| 17:58.48 | tharkun | precisely. |
| 17:58.49 | ompaul | tharkun: you should look in /var/log/syslog for the segfault |
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| 17:59.19 | tharkun | ompaul: That is where i got the segfault from originally |
| 17:59.39 | tharkun | Cups just died on two machines. I'm as puzzled as anyone. |
| 18:00.08 | Iridos | well... if it doesn't repeat there's no problem |
| 18:00.21 | Iridos | probably just gremlins |
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| 18:00.37 | tharkun | Iridos: is it ok if i route my phone directly to yours ? :D |
| 18:00.40 | ompaul | tharkun: cups is known in older versions for that on a non debian downstream of debian |
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| 18:01.38 | tharkun | ompaul: Let me take a look at all the cups servers around. Maybe it is a cascade effect of some other machine |
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| 18:02.23 | ompaul | tharkun: how many cups servers have you got, how many printers per server just to have a picture |
| 18:02.39 | ladowacharpuny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ui1kw7Hm - how can i delete this BBB subkey? |
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| 18:03.46 | tharkun | ompaul: There should be at least two cups server with 4 to 8 printers each. One is Debian (I fully control) the other one i get to ask for fixing. (out of my control) |
| 18:06.45 | ompaul | tharkun: I have a few cups servers but one of them sitting on the side of a 40 multi user desktop box - in the process of moving from it, it controls about 15 printers, get one box to do "all cups" the other one to call it as a client, (see client.conf) then if one goes the other one could be "enabled" |
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| 18:07.20 | ompaul | call it as a client means make one a cups server and serve to the whole network via the other |
| 18:07.37 | ompaul | woops via s/the other/from one server/ |
| 18:08.00 | ompaul | tharkun: that way it is obvious where the issue lies |
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| 18:10.15 | rtr- | hi |
| 18:10.45 | rtr- | anyone here could help me how i could convert my date in form "01.01.2011 00:44:01" to epoch / timestamp? |
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| 18:10.59 | tharkun | ompaul: Nice setup. I will propose it. It seems a smb client screwed the other server wich in turned pulled all connected servers down. Which lluckily where only two clients. |
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| 18:11.35 | ompaul | tharkun: smb and cups |
| 18:11.39 | ompaul | insanity |
| 18:11.41 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 18:11.51 | ompaul | it can be done |
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| 18:12.50 | tharkun | !beer ompaul |
| 18:12.50 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Gulden Drak for ompaul |
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| 18:20.08 | acx0 | how would you explicitly install a package from debian-multimedia? up until now I've just done 'aptitude install <pkg>' and I think it installs the multimedia version (if it exists) |
| 18:20.25 | metaphysician | why isn't the list of binary packages created from linux-2.6 source package in the squeeze-updates repository listed at http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze-updates/linux-2.6 like it is done for other repositories? |
| 18:20.29 | acx0 | i know with releases you can do 'aptitude install -t <release-branch> <pkg>', but that doesn't seem to work for this |
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| 18:24.06 | metaphysician | acx0: you can do that using apt preferences (Pin: origin). see apt_preferences(5) man page |
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| 18:25.02 | acx0 | metaphysician: okay thanks |
| 18:25.13 | tharkun | ompaul: UPDATE the machine which pulled everything down has some major Windows Virus infection. The windows camp are working on it now |
| 18:25.38 | ompaul | tharkun: awww, care to run samba so they don't have to provide services :) |
| 18:25.55 | lars_ | i have a usb/bluetooth keyboard and have to change udev rules for it to work, but when i boot in safe mode it does not apply, how do i make this change to apply in safemode too please? |
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| 18:27.54 | tharkun | ompaul: If it weren't for some Government dependencies that live and die by MS I would have switched everyone to some flavor of *nix |
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| 18:31.45 | omeringen | don't we have an update manager on wheezy KDE edition ? |
| 18:32.38 | metaphysician | acx0: be careful, increasing the priority of the multimedia repository may have undesirable effects |
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| 18:33.39 | acx0 | metaphysician: yeah after some reading I think I might just remove it, or maybe just use it for the flash plugin package only |
| 18:33.49 | acx0 | as of now i use it for mplayer and vlc as well, but i'm not sure why |
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| 18:53.13 | kidoARG | im having problems adjusting my monitor's resolution, someone could help me please? |
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| 19:05.57 | GTRsdk_ | How do I rescue my Debian computer? |
| 19:06.20 | GTRsdk_ | I was installing Wheezy updates (powerpc), and then it froze. Not sure if it was still installing or not |
| 19:06.30 | GTRsdk_ | but now I can't login via SSH or even TTY |
| 19:06.52 | GTRsdk_ | it says I've logged in, then it goes right back to logout (almost like an automatic exit) |
| 19:08.11 | nsadmin | GTRsdk_, hmm. so, you're logging in at a graphic screen? or a termina;-looking thing? |
| 19:08.22 | GTRsdk_ | nsadmin: TTY |
| 19:08.48 | GTRsdk_ | I don''t recall seeing gdm3 starting in the boot output |
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| 19:09.16 | GTRsdk_ | but for soem reason, I get lots of "Inbound" output at the TTY |
| 19:09.23 | nsadmin | ok... when you run df, does it look like you've reached any limits? |
| 19:09.48 | GTRsdk_ | How can I run it when it kicks me out as soon as I log in? |
| 19:09.48 | nsadmin | that sounds like iptables logging, can't be sure |
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| 19:10.07 | nsadmin | so root logins are the same? |
| 19:10.40 | Dephenom | What is the best way to add an entire /64 to Squeeze? All of the pages on I have checked on Google talk about adding individual v6 IP's, same with the page on the Debian Wiki |
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| 19:10.55 | GTRsdk_ | Yeah. |
| 19:12.45 | nsadmin | hmm, yeah, something is definitely weird... can you reboot into single user mode? aka maintaince mode, if it's grub you should have two menu entries for each different kernel, maintaince mode is the second one |
| 19:13.26 | GTRsdk_ | I have yaboot and a first stage loader of some sort (that only says to do x for osx or l for linux or c for cd) |
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| 19:13.43 | nsadmin | and obviously, but I'll ask anyway, you're using a different machine to talk here? |
| 19:14.01 | GTRsdk_ | Yes. |
| 19:14.13 | nsadmin | yaboot, that's for a ppc? |
| 19:14.19 | GTRsdk_ | Yes |
| 19:15.09 | nsadmin | can you edit in yaboot? |
| 19:16.02 | nsadmin | see, a freeze, that makes me think, is the ram good? cpu? video? motherboard? |
| 19:16.22 | nsadmin | or, did the machine get really hot? |
| 19:16.26 | GTRsdk_ | It was working okay until today when I had installed the updates |
| 19:16.42 | nsadmin | updates to? |
| 19:16.57 | GTRsdk_ | updates for the newest wheezy updates |
| 19:17.02 | Devastator | nsadmin just for you to know, themill solved my dependency problem, I had to edit xtables-addons-common.install :) |
| 19:17.03 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 19:17.48 | nsadmin | Devastator, oh great, I'm glad themill was able to help you |
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| 19:18.23 | nsadmin | you were trying to backport something from wheezy that was altered for multiarch? |
| 19:18.34 | Devastator | nsadmin yes, from sid |
| 19:18.49 | Devastator | nsadmin lib path is different |
| 19:19.19 | nsadmin | Dephenom, I did hear you, kinda busy atm |
| 19:19.33 | Devastator | in squeeze it's /usr/lib/lib*.so.*, in wheezy/sid it's /usr/lib/<arch>/lib*.so.* |
| 19:19.38 | GTRsdk_ | at yaboot I can type help and get some basic usage info, but not enough to figure out how to recover the install or go into singlu user mode |
| 19:20.16 | Dephenom | nsadmin, thats ok, whenever your free, but im just popping out for about 20 mins, getting some food :P |
| 19:20.38 | GTRsdk_ | Oh and.... when the system is booting,, I get lots of "Segmentation fault" output |
| 19:20.45 | nsadmin | Dephenom, cool thanksfor letting me know |
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| 19:21.44 | nsadmin | GTRsdk_, this is starting to sound more and more like hardware and/or heat |
| 19:22.02 | nsadmin | does macos work? |
| 19:23.48 | GTRsdk_ | Mac OS X boots on it just fine |
| 19:24.06 | nsadmin | that would rule out hardware |
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| 19:26.00 | nsadmin | so this is an installation you've had for awhile. do you keep backups? |
| 19:26.18 | GTRsdk_ | I don't have much for backups |
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| 19:27.51 | andyjpb | hello |
| 19:28.31 | andyjpb | I see that lenny is not on mirrors any more. I have a lenny here that I want to upgrade and I need to do the final lenny apt-get upgrade before changing the sources.list |
| 19:28.52 | andyjpb | any idea what I can put in /etc/apt/sources.list to get the last lenny? |
| 19:29.18 | themill | andyjpb: if you've been keeping up-to-date-ish, then there won't be any last minute lenny updates to get anyway, but you can /msg lenny sources.list |
| 19:29.23 | nsadmin | GTRsdk_, do you have a separate /home? |
| 19:29.38 | andyjpb | themill: I haven't been keeping up |
| 19:29.38 | GTRsdk_ | nsadmin: No. |
| 19:29.43 | andyjpb | I think I'm on 5.0.3 |
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| 19:30.02 | nsadmin | do you have enough unpartitioned space on your disk to make one? |
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| 19:30.42 | nsadmin | are you using lvm? |
| 19:30.47 | GTRsdk_ | nsadmin: I don't think so. |
| 19:31.02 | nsadmin | spare hd? |
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| 19:31.42 | GTRsdk_ | well I might be able to erase the OS X hard drive and put soemthing on it. Or is there a drive shrink tool? |
| 19:32.09 | nsadmin | there probably is... I have intel hardware myself |
| 19:32.23 | TheBearF8 | hi I'm trying to update and I'm getting the following dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-41squeeze2_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 19:32.25 | TheBearF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.27 | TheBearF8 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.12 | nsadmin | so I don't know much (but, I just inherited a mac yesterday, may be setting it up soonish) |
| 19:33.24 | andyjpb | themill: where can I /msg lenny ? I can't see that nick on freenode or OFTC |
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| 19:33.44 | themill | dpkg: tell andyjpb about lenny sources.list |
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| 19:33.45 | nsadmin | TheBearF8, maybe /usr or / |
| 19:33.53 | themill | andyjpb: sorry -- forgot the bot's name in there :( |
| 19:33.58 | N1x_ | hi guys , how i can change xrander configuration? i'm losing very reboot time |
| 19:33.59 | andyjpb | themill: thanks |
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| 19:34.02 | Devastator | andyjpb he forgot dpkg before lenny |
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| 19:34.26 | TheBearF8 | nsadmin: anyway to tell or temp change the unpack to another location ? |
| 19:34.52 | nsadmin | themill, can you hwlp GTRsdk_? |
| 19:35.51 | themill | GTRsdk_: #debianppc might have more clue than the fairly x86-oriented world in here... |
| 19:36.10 | AllStruck | Does anyone have an opinion to share about using Debian vs centos for a public lamp server? |
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| 19:38.13 | Floyd42 | Having used both, I'd say that hardware compatibility is better with CentOS while there are a LOT more packages available for Debian. |
| 19:38.24 | Floyd42 | AllStruck: Having used both, I'd say that hardware compatibility is better with CentOS while there are a LOT more packages available for Debian. |
| 19:38.47 | themill | AllStruck: this is #debian, so I can imagine you already know what we're going to say. /msg dpkg why debian; you might want to double check the recent record of security support from centos too. |
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| 19:39.04 | Floyd42 | Stability wise, both are pretty good. I'd also recommend checking out Scientific Linux, another RHEL clone. |
| 19:39.09 | AllStruck | Well im not too worries about hardware support hopefully on rackspace cloud servers |
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| 19:39.46 | AllStruck | I've been rocking Lenny a while and obviously need to upgrade like ASAP |
| 19:40.17 | GTRsdk_ | themill: would it be possible to mount the drive on an x86 machine? |
| 19:40.51 | Floyd42 | AllStruck: CentOS has had some issues with pushing out updates on time recently. Scientific Linux is backed by CERN, so you can be assured of timely updates. I'm using SL right now. The only negative thing about it is that packages might be outdated, and unlike Debian, there is no way to add backports or upgrade to testing/unstable. |
| 19:41.37 | AllStruck | Ill check that out on a local box Floyd42 thansks! |
| 19:41.52 | Floyd42 | AllStruck: you're welcome |
| 19:41.58 | andyjpb | themill, Devastator: thanks... now I'm cooking.353MiB updates ;-) |
| 19:42.29 | nsadmin | AllStruck, well... most likely yes. you should upgrade... and, there could be reasons to not do it yet, depending on what your situation is and the purpose of the machine |
| 19:42.51 | AllStruck | Thanks themill too, my choice has been made im staying with debian |
| 19:42.56 | Dulak | The real question is how close to bleeding edge do you need? The closer to bleeding edge the further from 'stable' distros. |
| 19:43.30 | themill | AllStruck: upgrading lenny->squeeze in place should be mostly pretty painless. Do read the release notes and /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 19:43.34 | GTRsdk_ | I didn't encrypt the drive, so would home folders load up so I could backup data? |
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| 19:43.48 | AllStruck | nsadmin: These are public web servers on rackspace cloud servers |
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| 19:44.22 | nsadmin | ugh |
| 19:44.35 | AllStruck | themill: Thats my plan, waited this long hopin to avoid any upgrade bugs |
| 19:44.39 | mongo | so can anyone think of any good reason why lvm scans all of /dev by default vs being limited to /dev/disk + maybe /dev/loop* ? |
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| 19:45.06 | nsadmin | that was a good plan too |
| 19:45.22 | AllStruck | Was? |
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| 19:45.42 | karlpinc | AllStruck: You're out of security support. |
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| 19:45.45 | nsadmin | AllStruck, and I suppose they're in production ("was" meaning you already waited) |
| 19:46.00 | themill | AllStruck: testing things out in a VM is always feasible to save surprises. |
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| 19:46.41 | karlpinc | AllStruck: I find the kinks that are going to be fixed are worked out in the first few months after release. |
| 19:46.53 | mongo | I think the only issue I had on any machine from lenny -> squeeze was due to php versions and one alix box that was running this nasty voyage linux |
| 19:47.05 | AllStruck | I have one for deelopment that ill start on so I can test everything working publicly |
| 19:47.24 | Dephenom | nsadmin, back, when your free |
| 19:47.28 | nsadmin | while lenny-> squeeze is mostly a solved problem, your situation requires more care |
| 19:47.49 | AllStruck | My only main concern is that rackspace cloud servers are all vms |
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| 19:48.12 | karlpinc | AllStruck: So long as it's a real vm and not a vps it shouldn't matter. |
| 19:48.12 | mongo | AllStruck: what is the main app on the servers? |
| 19:48.28 | Floyd42 | I'm trying to do a Debian netinst on virtualbox. After configuring everything and downloading like over a thousand packages, during installation, it gives me an error saying that there was a problem while installing the packages. Any suggestions? |
| 19:48.29 | AllStruck | Just lamp |
| 19:48.40 | AllStruck | Apahe 2 |
| 19:48.53 | rainfyre | hey everyone. I have a fresh squeeze install on my mac powerbook, however when I boot up, I have no network manager icon in my panel. What do I need to do to have that working? |
| 19:48.56 | mikul | I upgraded to debian testing today and everything seams to be okey except one thing. Flash videos are in the wrong colors. Red is blue and blue is red.. anyone knows why and/or how to fix it? |
| 19:48.57 | AllStruck | Sorry for the typos btw |
| 19:49.01 | mongo | Floyd42: alt-F4 and see what the real error was |
| 19:49.07 | nsadmin | basically anything that's remote and which could require a reboot is going to require some additional care... do you have an ssh console so you can cause boot from there? |
| 19:49.18 | simonlnu | rainfyre: launch it, or install it |
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| 19:49.23 | omeringen | hi |
| 19:49.26 | zykotic10 | mikul: see if you can disable HW Acceleration in flash |
| 19:49.35 | karlpinc | rainfyre: I hear you need to install network-manager-gnome. Is it installed? |
| 19:49.37 | rainfyre | hey simon! How do I do that? |
| 19:49.44 | rainfyre | karlpinc: I'll check right now |
| 19:49.49 | AllStruck | nsadmin: Ya I have root |
| 19:49.49 | _Chats_ | How can I prevent Debian from turning off my laptop's LCD and monitors connected via VGA when I close the lid? |
| 19:49.53 | mikul | zykotic10, how and ehere do i do that? |
| 19:49.53 | Floyd42 | mongo: I closed the installation process and tried doing it again. Same error. Not sure what is going on. I tried going to advanced mode too but same problem and no info. |
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| 19:50.04 | zykotic10 | mikul: try right clicking in a flash window |
| 19:50.09 | omeringen | isn't there a update manager or software manager on debian KDE ? i couldn't find it. . . |
| 19:50.16 | mongo | Floyd42: open a terminal and look at the /var/log/syslog file |
| 19:50.34 | mongo | omeringen: try synaptic |
| 19:50.44 | rainfyre | simonlnu: karlpinc it isn't installed :) |
| 19:50.46 | mongo | iirc thats what they use |
| 19:50.48 | nsadmin | AllStruck, I get that... and I'm asking a different question: does your isp provide a way to show the machine's console, perhaps thru a different IP? |
| 19:50.56 | Floyd42 | mongo: hmm ok. i should try that. i deleted that debian and installed ubuntu lucid instead. |
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| 19:51.25 | mongo | Floyd42: it's hard for use to debug a install issue if you delete the logs ;) |
| 19:51.28 | omeringen | mongo: oh i need to install it manually, there is no installed one on clean install, right ? |
| 19:51.28 | Floyd42 | mongo: problem is that it takes ages for the netinst to download and start installation. and there is no livecd-nonfree available .. |
| 19:51.30 | mongo | err help debug |
| 19:51.47 | AllStruck | nsadmin: Hmm maybe, I just always use the terminal and have changed ssh ports |
| 19:52.26 | nsadmin | if not, the moments of reboot when you're praying to get ping replies again can be mitigated if you know there's someone in the building you can get to |
| 19:52.28 | mongo | omeringen: I don't use graphical package tools sorry |
| 19:52.32 | Floyd42 | mongo: haha, i know right. i was just frustrated. i'm running a rhel clone where the packages are super outdated and i get dependency hell when trying to install new ones. so, i wanted a newer linux os on vbox. i guess ubuntu lucid is new enough .. |
| 19:52.58 | mongo | Floyd42: why lucid? that is pretty old now |
| 19:53.04 | AllStruck | nsadmin: Rackspace can always help 24/7 luckily if needed but.... |
| 19:53.10 | karlpinc | Floyd42: You should get some specific message in the log in the alternate vt. |
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| 19:53.56 | mikul | zykotic10, cant find anything like that |
| 19:53.57 | Floyd42 | mongo: two reasons: 1) it's newer than SL. 2) it's the last supported ubuntu that still uses gnome-2 |
| 19:53.59 | mongo | AllStruck: if losing a cloud host will lose your site I would highly recommend considering backups if you upgrade or not |
| 19:54.06 | karlpinc | AllStruck: I've done plenty of remote upgrades, but it's always nervous-making. |
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| 19:54.10 | nsadmin | AllStruck, at least there's that... things should go well... so you want to try this now on your dev one? |
| 19:54.23 | Floyd42 | mongo: i tried running unity on vbox and i guess the hardware wasn't supported on vbox |
| 19:54.23 | mongo | AllStruck: if you are using a cloud host why not spin up a new stack, set up the site and change dns? |
| 19:54.27 | AllStruck | nsadmin: I do plan on making a server image backup before I start in case an upgrade process totally kills the box |
| 19:54.28 | mikul | zykotic10, isnt there a config file or anything i could turn it of in? |
| 19:54.30 | zykotic10 | mikul: sorry, don't know then (i don't have flash on this system, so can't check) |
| 19:54.43 | nsadmin | oh good, definitely do that |
| 19:54.44 | mikul | zykotic10, ok |
| 19:54.44 | Floyd42 | karlpinc: yeah, but i deleted the vbox drive out of frustration .. |
| 19:54.54 | karlpinc | AllStruck: Follow the release notes carefully and make sure you load any required non-free firmware for your nic. |
| 19:55.11 | karlpinc | Floyd42: It's a bit hard to help in any detail then. |
| 19:55.14 | AllStruck | mongo: I suppose that would work too, I can even create the new server from an image |
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| 19:55.18 | Floyd42 | karlpinc: i spent hours waiting for netinst to download and begin installation when it gave me an error. |
| 19:55.35 | mongo | rackspace should be virtio nics |
| 19:55.36 | karlpinc | Floyd42: If you've another box you can run apt-cacher (apt-cacher-ng, etc.) and avoid download delay. |
| 19:55.44 | Floyd42 | karlpinc: yeah, i know .. that's why i installed ubuntu 10.04 instead .. |
| 19:55.44 | nsadmin | karlpinc, let's find out if he has a hardware nic or a virtual one provided by rackspace |
| 19:55.50 | AllStruck | Is the upgrade going to reset my modules? |
| 19:56.16 | Floyd42 | karlpinc: that sounds like a useful thing, but sadly i don't have another box :( |
| 19:56.17 | mongo | nsadmin: rackspace is mostly kvm, they are the ones behind openstack |
| 19:56.43 | nsadmin | AllStruck, for one, you're about to get a new kernel, which comes with its set of (versioned) modules |
| 19:56.53 | AllStruck | Ah |
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| 19:57.13 | nsadmin | if you have something that loads a particular set of modules, |
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| 19:57.29 | nsadmin | well I would find and back that up |
| 19:57.39 | AllStruck | So the autodetection may not be so great and I need to check that my hardware is accounted for before reboot |
| 19:58.01 | mongo | AllStruck: do you rsync your webtree to a backup location? |
| 19:58.05 | omeringen | ah okay i should get them manually -> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=378469#p378469 |
| 19:58.16 | AllStruck | I could start up a new squeeze install fresh and check which modules they have loaded ya? |
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| 19:58.45 | nsadmin | AllStruck, that would be a very good thing to do. Additionally, I recommend keeping a (paper notebook) journal |
| 19:58.49 | mongo | AllStruck: run lspci on your current host, does it say virtio? |
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| 19:58.57 | nsadmin | maybe one for the dev and one for the production |
| 19:59.04 | AllStruck | mongo: Not rsync no I use Wordpress and have a plugin backup db and files |
| 19:59.35 | AllStruck | nsadmin: Evernote is my paper :/ |
| 20:00.02 | mongo | oh if you are on wordpress you need to update asap |
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| 20:00.07 | nsadmin | ok, that's fine as long as you can access it while you're working under the hood of your remotes |
| 20:00.18 | AllStruck | Yep |
| 20:00.21 | AllStruck | And yep |
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| 20:01.01 | AllStruck | mongo: Im contemplating skipping the upgrades and just migrating to fresh installs |
| 20:01.17 | mongo | AllStruck: yes, I would do a new stack and do an import |
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| 20:01.49 | karlpinc | AllStruck: You know best. (I find the fact that upgrades work well on debian to be one of it's big strengths.) |
| 20:02.04 | nsadmin | AllStruck, if you do that, I recommend you ask rackspace for a pair of temporary machines so you can copy stuff across |
| 20:02.08 | mongo | karlpinc: the problem is that wordpress doesn't :) |
| 20:02.28 | AllStruck | karlpinc: Its less to avoid the upgrade than to keep my servers clean and secure |
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| 20:02.36 | karlpinc | mongo: How do you ever upgrade then? dump/restore? |
| 20:02.50 | mongo | karlpinc: with a VM yes |
| 20:02.52 | mongo | http://codex.wordpress.org/Moving_WordPress |
| 20:02.52 | AllStruck | nsadmin: I can set up temporary machines billed by hour |
| 20:02.58 | karlpinc | AllStruck: A nice new install _is_ squeeky clean. :-) |
| 20:03.12 | mongo | s/nsadmin/karlpinc |
| 20:03.22 | mongo | err s |
| 20:03.33 | AllStruck | Ya since I let these go past the supported stage im worried about brining over any rogue stuff |
| 20:03.34 | mongo | heh ctl^l makes things readable again |
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| 20:04.36 | mikul | zykotic10, i got it! thanks! disabled hw acceleration and it worked.. The problem was that i couldnt change anything in the settings window cuz i frose, but in fullscreen i could change it so thank you verry much =) |
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| 20:05.02 | zykotic10 | mikul: nice :) glad you got it fixed |
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| 20:05.18 | mikul | zykotic10, cheers! =) |
| 20:05.31 | karlpinc | mongo: http://codex.wordpress.org/Moving_WordPress does not look like there's any provisions for changes to the db structure. Oh well, maybe they never do. |
| 20:05.52 | AllStruck | karlpinc: Think again |
| 20:05.54 | nsadmin | AllStruck, maybe the bottom line here, is that since you're creating image backups before doing anything, you have a wide range of choices, you can mess up and (fortunately) just restore |
| 20:06.10 | AllStruck | nsadmin: Exaclty |
| 20:06.36 | AllStruck | never goes anywhere without a solid plan b |
| 20:07.07 | karlpinc | AllStruck: You might want to read the <readme.debian> and other doc contents in the squeeze wordpress package. |
| 20:07.19 | karlpinc | !tell AllStruck about readme.debian |
| 20:07.21 | mongo | karlpinc: for most things wordpress does flat files would be fine |
| 20:07.39 | AllStruck | karlpinc: Thanks I do! |
| 20:07.56 | karlpinc | AllStruck: Sometimes there's really handy upgrade instructions. |
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| 20:08.14 | synchrone | hi everyone |
| 20:09.01 | synchrone | should i even bother creating a swap partition on a desktop machine with 12Gb ram ? |
| 20:09.41 | mongo | AllStruck: I put my webservers into a local git repo and push it to a remote repo to back up |
| 20:09.56 | mongo | the DB dumps are rsynced |
| 20:10.29 | nsadmin | synchrone, do you typically make your dev machine identical (incl. databases) to your production before trying something like an upgrade? |
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| 20:10.32 | AllStruck | mongo: Interesting... I might need to do that too, no sure how solid these server images are |
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| 20:10.50 | karlpinc | synchrone: If you want to use all your ram, yes. It also means that if you do have problems you'll see slow degradation instead of suddenly having processes killed. |
| 20:11.20 | mongo | although a 2GB swapfile is fine for that too |
| 20:11.37 | mongo | if you get 12G into swap you are going to wish OOM would start working |
| 20:12.07 | AllStruck | Id just do 2GB swap fwiw |
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| 20:12.28 | synchrone | nsadmin: erm... no. actually i wanna install debian to be closer to them |
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| 20:13.31 | nsadmin | oh, oops, sorry synchrone... wrong nick :) |
| 20:13.49 | nsadmin | AllStruck, do you typically make your dev machine identical (incl. databases) to your production before trying something like an upgrade? |
| 20:14.09 | mongo | nsadmin: I have 3 stacks, dev, test and prod. All dev work happens on dev which is pushed to test for QA, if it passes it is pushed to prod |
| 20:14.13 | AllStruck | nsadmin: Yes |
| 20:14.47 | synchrone | karlpinc: how come i wouldn't be able to use all my ram without swap ? 0o |
| 20:14.54 | nsadmin | AllStruck, then maybe you don't need the extra rackspaces |
| 20:15.03 | mongo | IMHO that is the correct way to do it, dev and test should drive the prod config, not the other way around |
| 20:15.23 | mongo | AllStruck: are you on managed hosting with them or in their cloud? |
| 20:15.37 | AllStruck | Just cloud servers not managed |
| 20:16.03 | AllStruck | They have manage level cloud servers too |
| 20:16.08 | karlpinc | synchrone: Because programs setup data structures that are rarely used. So, swap it out and recover the ram. Of course it all depends on what you're running, but if you let libreoffice sit for a week, why have it in ram? |
| 20:16.47 | synchrone | i'm gonna use it as the usual development\browsing\whatever desktop machine |
| 20:16.56 | karlpinc | mongo: Lordy, people do it the other way around? Tell me why in #debian-offtopic if you wish. |
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| 20:16.58 | synchrone | also turning it off at night |
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| 20:17.31 | synchrone | maybe leaving on for downloading bulky stuff |
| 20:17.48 | mongo | karlpinc: heh I will but if you have to sync from prod you are |
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| 20:18.21 | karlpinc | synchrone: Turning it off sounds harsh. (I've not paid attention to whether it really saves much on power. It's not worth my time getting things started up again.) |
| 20:18.45 | synchrone | karlpinc: i'm sleeping in the same room |
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| 20:19.10 | karlpinc | synchrone: Ah. I use a thin client. |
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| 20:19.52 | synchrone | good for you, but this here is a usual workstation PC |
| 20:20.10 | synchrone | so do i need any swap, and if yes, then how much ? |
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| 20:20.19 | BenBE | I'm having some trouble with courier-imap(-ssl): authlib says found matching password but courier-imap just hangs up the client connections after a few seconds. |
| 20:20.27 | karlpinc | synchrone: You don't _need_ any. But if you make some 2G is enough. |
| 20:20.41 | BenBE | synchrone: No; but doesn't hurt to have a few gigs ;-) |
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| 20:21.04 | nsadmin | I'm getting ready to install debian on an older (pentium 4) machine, via usb since I can't burn right now. If I want to keep the files on the usb media, can I use "flexible method"? |
| 20:21.21 | parcs` | why does debian, even debian experimental, have such an old version of wine? |
| 20:21.30 | nvz | nsadmin: use unetbootin, it doesn't format |
| 20:21.43 | BenBE | parcs`: Since nobody went and packaged a newer one ;-) |
| 20:21.50 | mongo | parcs`: they are waiting for you to build and test a new version and subit it |
| 20:21.52 | karlpinc | synchrone: (I keep the usual workstation pc in the basement.) |
| 20:22.02 | BenBE | Also have a look at PTS for reasons why newer versions might have been blocked. |
| 20:22.02 | nsadmin | oh ok... does it take the stuff out of the iso and write it to the media? |
| 20:22.07 | Dulak | parcs`: wine broke pretty badly in testing and the maintainer didn't do anything about it. There is a need for a new maintainer of wine. |
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| 20:22.20 | nsadmin | (to nvz) |
| 20:22.34 | nvz | nsadmin: yes, and creates a grub bootloader.. |
| 20:22.52 | synchrone | karlpinc: unfortunately not all of debian users live in their houses |
| 20:23.13 | karlpinc | nvz: The installer really messes with the usb stick content? Oh, you mean when you dd to the stick, right? |
| 20:23.33 | synchrone | also: will debian 6.0.3 loader work with Win7 bootmgr ? |
| 20:23.41 | BenBE | Dulak: Not just for wine; php-geshi is 2 years behind ... |
| 20:23.43 | nvz | karlpinc: I don't mean anything other than use unetbootin, it doesn't format.. which is what I said |
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| 20:23.59 | nvz | karlpinc: I've used it MANY times with data on the thumbdrive and it did not bother it |
| 20:24.19 | karlpinc | synchrone: You can always load the debian booloader from another bootloader. Figuring out how to tell MS Windows to do anything at all is another matter. Last time I did it it took all day. |
| 20:24.23 | nsadmin | on the usb? gotcha... hmm, I think I'm going to back it up... it's my phone, and earlier I replaced my 2g microsd with a 32g... I put the 2g back in, and I think I'll back it up as an image |
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| 20:24.53 | nvz | hah, installing from a phone is next to impossible.. |
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| 20:25.09 | nvz | hard to get it into usb mass storage mode when the machine boots |
| 20:25.09 | karlpinc | nvz: Yes, yes. I see what you mean now. |
| 20:25.29 | nvz | though I think there may be apps that keep it in that mode |
| 20:25.57 | Dulak | depends on the phone, as soon as I plug mine in it lets me choose charge only or media access |
| 20:26.01 | nsadmin | nvz, it's either that or my voice recorder :) |
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| 20:27.19 | nsadmin | it should work, it seems to provide raw sector access to the media... it's an android |
| 20:27.36 | nvz | has done this before |
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| 20:27.52 | nsadmin | on an android? |
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| 20:28.05 | nvz | when the machine reboots it disconnects and reconnects the phone.. android by default makes you click a button to turn on USB storage when it does this |
| 20:28.20 | BenBE | wonders who might want to run Debian on an android phone ... |
| 20:28.22 | nvz | but the BIOS wants it to already be in that mode so it can detect it and make it a boot device |
| 20:28.56 | nsadmin | so I have to change a setting (the phone has android-2.2) |
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| 20:29.15 | karlpinc | nvz: But, I believe, he only wants to backup the stick _content_ to the phone before the install. Then he can dd the stick and restore it after the install. Or am I wrong? |
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| 20:29.17 | synchrone | anyway thanks guys |
| 20:29.31 | BenBE | synchrone: You're welcome. |
| 20:29.42 | karlpinc | synchrone: Good luck. |
| 20:29.45 | nvz | shrugs |
| 20:30.08 | nsadmin | where is that setting? |
| 20:30.37 | nvz | there isn't one |
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| 20:30.46 | nvz | it comes up on the screen when you plug it in which is my point |
| 20:30.56 | nsadmin | so using the phone is not possible? |
| 20:30.57 | nvz | it thinks the host rebooting is a disconnec/reconnect |
| 20:31.04 | nvz | its possible.. just difficult |
| 20:31.12 | nvz | I have this app called usb mass storage watcher |
| 20:31.27 | nvz | which is suppose to keep the machine in UMS mode when it connects |
| 20:31.29 | nsadmin | ok, I'll do it on the recorder (which is 1g) |
| 20:31.56 | nsadmin | nvz, thanks for the headsup |
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| 20:32.18 | nvz | you can find the USB Mass storage watcher on the android market |
| 20:32.45 | nvz | I haven't really tested that.. when I did it I just kept rebooting until I managed to get it in time manually |
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| 20:33.02 | nvz | my USB is flaky on my phone.. so I never had a chance to test the app |
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| 20:33.17 | nsadmin | as you may have thought, it's more trouble than it's worth if you have other sticks you could use |
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| 20:34.12 | nvz | yeah an android device works fine as a flash drive, its just a pain to use it to boot from |
| 20:34.13 | nsadmin | now where is that thing... |
| 20:34.29 | nvz | without some means of keeping it in UMS mode persistently |
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| 20:34.58 | nvz | by default there is no way to control that, it connects as an ACM device |
| 20:35.31 | nvz | has to be manually switched to UMS which is very difficult to do before the BIOS already removes USB from the boot options because it found nothing to boot from |
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| 20:37.43 | Guest83348 | What is the name of the main c package for debian that includes make? |
| 20:38.07 | BenBE | Guest83348: Try apt-file find make |
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| 20:39.00 | Guest83348 | 60 pages come up with that match |
| 20:39.09 | AllStruck | ok I'm back, my IRC client died... |
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| 20:39.56 | nvz | Guest83348: generally you can install build-essential which will pull in various things you'll require to build something |
| 20:40.03 | Guest83348 | Main c compiler package name? |
| 20:40.16 | nvz | gcc |
| 20:40.16 | BenBE | Guest83348: Yeah; had to look through it; short filter for /make$ with grep returns make: /usr/bin/make which should be what you want. |
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| 20:40.38 | jadew | hello, are there any settings for power management for the usb controller? I have a weird problem with an external hdd that keeps getting disconnected from time to time |
| 20:40.56 | jadew | problem is that it doesn't come back unless I unplug it and then plug it back in |
| 20:40.58 | BenBE | And for a C compiler try gcc. |
| 20:41.05 | BenBE | Guest83348: And for a C compiler try gcc. |
| 20:41.31 | nvz | jadew: check dmesg, if its something like a cable shorting or such the kernel will spew messages from the USB hub via the driver |
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| 20:42.09 | nvz | jadew: its more likely its hardware such as a cable, hub, port, or the device itself going to sleep.. there is nothing of the sort in debian or linux kernel |
| 20:42.28 | jadew | I see |
| 20:42.36 | jadew | thank you |
| 20:42.39 | Guest83348 | gcc-4.3-base? |
| 20:43.48 | BenBE | Guest83348: Just gcc should be fine and will install the most recent GCC alongside. gcc-4.3-base is horribly outdated. If insisting on using the gcc-4.?-base packages at least use 4.5 or 4.6 |
| 20:44.35 | Guest83348 | Ty |
| 20:44.44 | nvz | or he could just install build-essential like I told him which is a package that pulls in the tools essential for building |
| 20:45.12 | BenBE | Jep. But that'd be much TOOOO easy ;-) |
| 20:46.15 | nvz | just wait.. will be asking about other things shortly.. which all are satisfied by build-essential |
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| 20:46.58 | karlpinc | jadew: Does it have it's own power supply? |
| 20:47.12 | jadew | karlpinc, yes |
| 20:47.42 | BenBE | k, now for some debugging: What's the best way to debug an auth problem with courier, if: 1. SSL/TLS enforced, 2. authlib logs 'matched password successfully', 3. connections hangs a few seconds before it's disconnected by the server without response. 4. Problem only happens with courier-imap, but courier-pop3 works just fine. |
| 20:47.43 | karlpinc | jadew: Dunno about your problem then. As said, check the logs. |
| 20:47.47 | Guest83348 | I typed apt-get install gcc but it did not install make |
| 20:47.52 | jadew | karlpinc, thanks |
| 20:48.01 | nvz | imagine that |
| 20:48.10 | BenBE | Guest83348: Type apt-get install build-essential gcc make ;-) |
| 20:48.24 | nvz | ,depends build-essential |
| 20:48.25 | judd | Package build-essential in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5). |
| 20:48.28 | Guest83348 | Ty |
| 20:48.33 | nvz | thats redundant |
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| 20:48.42 | nvz | all he had to do is what I've said like 3 times now |
| 20:48.51 | karlpinc | BenBE: Any way to crank up the logging verbosity (on both ends)? |
| 20:49.38 | karlpinc | nvz: He's not listening. |
| 20:49.43 | nvz | obviously |
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| 20:50.12 | nvz | which is why I first gave him the answer to the question he didn't ask, then answered the one he did, which was the wrong question |
| 20:50.19 | BenBE | karlpinc: I tried openssl s_client -starttls ... on the client speaking IMAP by hand; also set logging verbosity to max on authdaemonrc for the auth daemon. yet IDK where to set it for courier-imap and courier-pop3 in their respective config files. |
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| 20:50.47 | karlpinc | BenBE: You could try watching with tcpdump/wireshark, just to be sure there's no firewall in the middle sending a RST or something, but that's sorta a crazy choice... |
| 20:51.06 | mongo | BenBE: is your client trying to do sslstart or is it using the ssl imap port? |
| 20:51.21 | BenBE | karlpinc: Tried this, butunfortunately I get a srv_hello can't find cipher suite 0x84 in Wireshark --> Thus no SSL decoding. |
| 20:52.01 | BenBE | mongo: Tried both: STARTTLS on 143 and SSL/TLS on 993. |
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| 20:52.23 | Q| | Anyone ever did this? http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC First thing I miss there is the password for the network. Does this work with wpa at all? Not sure what a wireless network bridge without wpa would be good for though |
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| 20:53.26 | BenBE | mongo: Using Thunderbird on Ubuntu; but other people using the server which had previously working setups reported the problem too. |
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| 20:56.13 | mongo | BenBE: I would check the imap password type |
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| 20:57.26 | BenBE | mongo: Using authuserdb which works just fine with the same settings if using POP3 instead of IMAP (but otherwise everything set identically on the client) |
| 20:57.27 | karlpinc | BenBE: You could run the server manually and strace it, but surely that's the wrong choice. |
| 20:57.59 | mongo | BenBE: imapd can accept plain/encrypted/sasl passwords |
| 20:58.17 | mongo | if you send the wrong type it will just hang |
| 20:58.58 | karlpinc | BenBE: Nothing in dmesg, or /var/log/messages -- like the oom killer deciding it does not like you? Just a thought. |
| 20:59.09 | BenBE | mongo: Tried with "Normal password" and "Encrypted password" settings in thunderbird; should correspond to plain/encrypted methods. |
| 20:59.53 | BenBE | karlpinc: Nope, more than 3GB of free memory and already did various restarts of all the courier-* services. |
| 20:59.56 | mongo | I agree with karlpinc it is time for wireshark |
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| 21:00.19 | karlpinc | mongo: How to you get wireshark to decrypt? |
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| 21:00.39 | mongo | karlpinc: you can still see the traffic |
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| 21:00.55 | BenBE | karlpinc: Open wireshark, load the pcap, in pref goto protocols --> SSL and enter the necessary priv key information. |
| 21:00.56 | karlpinc | mongo: Right, and look for, say RSTs. |
| 21:01.12 | karlpinc | BenBE: Cool. |
| 21:01.15 | BenBE | karlpinc: No RSTs present. The flows all are normal. |
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| 21:02.12 | BenBE | karlpinc: But as mentioned earlier I already tried this and Wireshark couldn't decrypt the traffic due to an unknown cipher suite (in my case RSA_CAMELLIA_256_SHA. |
| 21:02.16 | mongo | karlpinc: if you have the private key it can decrypt btw |
| 21:02.31 | mongo | BenBE: but you see the handshake? |
| 21:02.44 | BenBE | But I could reproduce the problem by running openssl s_client -starttls -connect server:port |
| 21:02.58 | BenBE | mongo: Yes; and multiple packets containing application data. |
| 21:03.19 | BenBE | mongo: No abnormal termination conditions though. |
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| 21:03.24 | karlpinc | BenBE: Right. Tells me that there's nothing more to be learned on the client side; could be wrong. |
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| 21:04.44 | BenBE | karlpinc: Think so too. Are there -dbg packages readily available for courier-imap? |
| 21:05.40 | mongo | BenBE: you could use lsof to make sure the daemon you think is running ontehre is |
| 21:07.05 | BenBE | mongo: What to look for in lsof? |
| 21:07.58 | mongo | BenBE: try lsof -i4 and look for the imap port |
| 21:08.01 | calrogman | BenBE: Your daemon... Trim the output by doing lsof -i 4 |
| 21:08.51 | BenBE | mongo: -i4 returns nothing, but -i6 returns one socket. |
| 21:09.24 | BenBE | Ohhh, wait ... |
| 21:09.48 | BenBE | Nothing returned on both; yet I still get a connection on imap ... |
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| 21:11.21 | calrogman | BenBE: Run lsof as root, or you'll only get the sockets your user has opened. |
| 21:11.27 | BenBE | It's late ... If doing it right it properly finds two PIDs: One for courier-imap (*:imap2 (LISTEN)) and oner for courier-imap-ssl (*:imaps (LISTEN)) |
| 21:12.08 | BenBE | calrogman: I know and did run it as root; just happened to use the wrong argument to grep ^^ |
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| 21:24.32 | BenBE | Another try: Tried to disable IMAP_MAILBOX_SANITY_CHECK for a moment. No change. |
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| 21:35.23 | Tegy | Is there a way to abort a foreced fsck at startup? |
| 21:35.41 | Tegy | While checking a partition my server shuts down |
| 21:35.49 | leo-unglaub | hi, what is the best way of getting feedback from the user during the installation of a package? |
| 21:36.00 | leo-unglaub | is there a special format for that? |
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| 21:37.19 | Tegy | Anyone? |
| 21:38.06 | leo-unglaub | Tegy: set the last param in the fstab to 0 |
| 21:38.30 | Tegy | len-unglaub: how can I do this when the server doesn't boot? |
| 21:38.48 | leo-unglaub | Tegy: oh, after it happened? |
| 21:39.02 | leo-unglaub | Tegy: sorry, no idea |
| 21:39.06 | Tegy | Ah, I just canceled it with CTRL+C |
| 21:39.28 | Tegy | Do you know what may cause this? At a certain partion fsck just shut downs the server |
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| 21:39.40 | Tegy | The server has a software mirror raid |
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| 21:44.23 | andyjpb | hello. I'm upgrading lenny->squeeze. I've just done the kernel and now I'm doing udev |
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| 21:44.54 | andyjpb | when I do 'apt-get install udev' I get some whinging... |
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| 21:45.25 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: What's the exact error message? |
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| 21:45.36 | andyjpb | http://paste.call-cc.org/paste?id=bdb3a30c13f1b1b0984207c1e3db88cf8274d6cf |
| 21:45.42 | andyjpb | Floyd42: sorry.. jus tpasting |
| 21:46.00 | andyjpb | some fishng led to '$ aptitude -Ds install udev' |
| 21:46.03 | andyjpb | which says |
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| 21:46.55 | andyjpb | http://paste.call-cc.org/paste?id=bdb3a30c13f1b1b0984207c1e3db88cf8274d6cf#a1 |
| 21:47.02 | andyjpb | is that a reasonable thing to rerun as root? |
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| 21:47.12 | andyjpb | or do I have Other Problems? |
| 21:47.52 | BenBE | mongo karlpinc calrogman : Did some more testing: strace doesn't provide any useable information; ltrace doesn't output anything at all ... |
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| 21:52.05 | tremon | andyjpb: I don't see much wrong in the package removal list, other than possibly the tp-mapi-modules |
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| 21:52.31 | andyjpb | $ dpkg -l tp-mapi-modules |
| 21:52.32 | andyjpb | No packages found matching tp-mapi-modules. |
| 21:52.36 | andyjpb | tremon: weird |
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| 21:52.51 | tremon | tp-smapi-modules-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 21:52.59 | andyjpb | ah.. sorry |
| 21:53.13 | andyjpb | ...even weirder... |
| 21:53.16 | andyjpb | $ dpkg -l tp-smapi-modules |
| 21:53.17 | andyjpb | ... |
| 21:53.22 | andyjpb | un tp-smapi-modules <none> (no description available) |
| 21:53.25 | andyjpb | what are they? |
| 21:53.46 | tremon | it's a bit odd that it needs to remove lsb-release, but that's harmless |
| 21:53.47 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: hmm. I don't understand why those packages need to be removed. Even though there's probably not gonna be any problems if you do. |
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| 21:54.14 | tremon | don't know what they are, smapi doesn't ring a bell either |
| 21:54.27 | andyjpb | Floyd42: I started with a "clean" 5.0.10 ... i.e I'd run apt-get {update,upgrade,dist-upgrade} and there was nothing more to do |
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| 21:54.35 | tremon | at a guess: trusted platform security module? |
| 21:55.00 | tremon | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi |
| 21:55.29 | andyjpb | now those pacakges seem to want to be removed. I don't know why either |
| 21:55.32 | tremon | doesn't appear to be mission-critical, just upgrade then reinstall |
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| 21:55.41 | andyjpb | tremon: ah..perhaps. I think I've got tp switched off |
| 21:55.42 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: I assume you've made a backup before attempting upgrading, right? If so, I think there should be no problem in continuing .. |
| 21:55.51 | andyjpb | Floyd42: I have a backup |
| 21:56.07 | andyjpb | Floyd42: contine with that aptitude command and then retry apt-get install udev |
| 21:56.08 | andyjpb | ? |
| 21:56.38 | andyjpb | tremon: it seems to be marked as 'un' in dpkg anyeay |
| 21:56.41 | andyjpb | anyway* |
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| 21:57.52 | tremon | andyjpb: I don't see why you should rerun the apt-get command, since aptitude will already do it for you |
| 21:58.07 | tremon | what's your current kernel? 2.6.32 already? |
| 21:58.10 | andyjpb | tremon: true... |
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| 21:58.18 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: Actually, before upgrading, see this thread: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=607 |
| 21:58.19 | andyjpb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.28 | andyjpb | reads |
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| 21:58.37 | plop | Hello all, I'm completely lost with DNS etc... I just wanted to know how to configure my apache : when i type my name domain it goes to my website, is there a good tutorial to do that? Thanks |
| 21:58.47 | andyjpb | I'm not going to sid.. I'm doing lenny->squeeze. perhaps it's relevant anyway... |
| 21:59.10 | andyjpb | plop: tell us more about your config. where's DNS, where's apache? |
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| 21:59.25 | BenBE | Regarding the log output: http://benny-baumnn.de/tmp/courier-imap.log |
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| 22:00.19 | andyjpb | Floyd42: that's interesting. hopefuly my keyboard won't break. i have an external one if needs be tho... |
| 22:00.20 | tremon | Floyd42: that thread is about 2011's sid, which is still current testing. andyjpb is doing lenny->squeeze (right?) so that thread doesn't apply |
| 22:00.29 | andyjpb | enpresses the button |
| 22:00.46 | andyjpb | tremon: that's right |
| 22:00.52 | Floyd42 | andyjpb termon: oh, if that's the case, then you're right |
| 22:01.40 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: i think you can go ahead with the upgrade .. and there won't be any need to install udev separately because it's part of hte install process .. |
| 22:01.51 | andyjpb | Floyd42: ok.. thanks... here it goes |
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| 22:02.07 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: fingers crossed :) |
| 22:02.24 | andyjpb | Floyd42: better than having wires crossed ;-) |
| 22:02.35 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: ha |
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| 22:06.44 | cantoma | guys using dd to create a bootable usb from iso such as "dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync" The question is does the device needs to be mounted or not? |
| 22:07.33 | tremon | cantoma it must not be mounted |
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| 22:08.16 | Floyd42 | cantoma: why don't you just use unetbootin? |
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| 22:12.32 | andyjpb | right. that's done. reboot time. thanks for your help chaps |
| 22:12.50 | cantoma | Floyd42, well let me see if dd works. if not i will use unetbootin as you suggest |
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| 22:16.15 | _Alex- | Hi, I need help, the ifconfig dont work with ipv6. I use: ifconfig eth0 3ffe:2a00:100:7b88:1::3/80, but dont accept |
| 22:16.24 | calrogman | Floyd42: How about, "because unetbootin's success rate is dodgy at best", in my experience. |
| 22:16.50 | Dagger2 | _Alex-: ... 3ff3?? |
| 22:16.54 | Dagger2 | er, 3ffe |
| 22:17.11 | _Alex- | daemon, example, I use 2002::1 |
| 22:17.26 | Floyd42 | calrogman: well, i have to differ there. i've had a 100% success rate with it. |
| 22:17.26 | calrogman | _Alex-: Um, take the /80 bit off the end? |
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| 22:17.45 | Dagger2 | well, you can try `ip a a 3ffe:2a00:100:7b88:1::3/80 dev eth0` |
| 22:17.52 | andyjpb | well, I'm back |
| 22:18.01 | Dagger2 | (/80 is also pretty broken of course; you should use /64s everywhere so that SLAAC works) |
| 22:18.18 | Floyd42 | andyjpb: all good after the update? |
| 22:18.18 | _Alex- | The problem it, the ifconfig dont show link-local, global , nothing ipv6 |
| 22:18.43 | andyjpb | udev has an absolute spaz at boot time.. complaining with screen-fulls of |
| 22:18.44 | andyjpb | /var/log/daemon.log:May 6 00:08:55 lago udevd[9439]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules:71 |
| 22:18.47 | _Alex- | I go ping the ipv |
| 22:18.56 | Dagger2 | ah, if it doesn't even list link-locals then you have no IPv6 support; you can try `modprobe ipv6` |
| 22:19.08 | tremon | Dagger2: how would you do a dmz with only a /64? |
| 22:19.10 | andyjpb | /var/log/syslog:May 6 00:08:55 lago udevd[9439]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/024_hpmud.rules:26 |
| 22:19.15 | _Alex- | Dagger2, I can use ping6 ::1 |
| 22:19.25 | _Alex- | Dagger2, I can use ping6 2002:xxxx:xxxxx:xxxxx |
| 22:19.41 | Dagger2 | _Alex-: ... does `ifconfig | grep inet6` list anything? |
| 22:20.00 | tremon | andyjpb: that's only a warning and expected since you've yet to upgrade |
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| 22:20.02 | _Alex- | yes, anything |
| 22:20.09 | Dagger2 | tremon: erm... just don't put a firewall in place? |
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| 22:20.19 | andyjpb | tremon: ah ok.. I hoped that would go away in good time |
| 22:20.31 | tremon | yeah that's great advice :? |
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| 22:20.32 | _Alex- | Dagger2, inet6 is missing T_t |
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| 22:21.15 | andyjpb | empresses the button |
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| 22:21.52 | Dagger2 | tremon: I don't see what the subnet size has to do with whether or not you put a firewall on it |
| 22:22.04 | BenBE | karlpinc mongo calrogman Found the problem: libgamin claims to provide libfam0 (which is correct) but it seems it doesn't do completely. I had installed libgamin because some older courier-imap* packages had problems with "file system errors" reported by mail clients which could be solved by switching to libgamin. Unfortunately it seems libgamin misses some features which courier-imap blindly expects to find and thus breaks internally without proper notification |
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| 22:23.14 | tremon | Dagger2: well, 1) a dmz isn't non-firewalled, in some cases it's more heavily firewalled (outbound) than the internal network 2) if you only have one /64, how are you going to use it for both a dmz and and internal subnet |
| 22:23.20 | Dagger2 | _Alex-: if there's no inet6 addresses at all, I don't see how `ping6 2002:bleh` can work |
| 22:23.46 | Dagger2 | tremon: ah, I see. the answer is that if you need more than one subnet, get more than one subnet from your upstream |
| 22:24.04 | Dagger2 | tremon: if they won't give you more than one, replace them with someone who will |
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| 22:24.33 | _Alex- | http://pastebin.com/Wvc5yyj9 |
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| 22:25.33 | tremon | Dagger2: yeah, that's why I responded to your comment that the usage of /80 was "pretty broken". Just pointing out that that's not a general rule |
| 22:27.14 | Dagger2 | _Alex-: ah. that's... strange. I've never seen `ifconfig` fail to report v6 addresses when `ip` does |
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| 22:28.13 | ladowacharpuny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ui1kw7Hm - how can i delete this BBB subkey? |
| 22:28.28 | Dagger2 | tremon: if your provider only gives you a single /64, particularly when you ask for more, then that *is* pretty broken |
| 22:29.46 | Dagger2 | (I realize it's entirely technically possible to use whatever prefix lengths you want, and they'll work, but administratively you're supposed to be getting multiple subnets, and if you aren't then it's your provider's fault) |
| 22:30.49 | tremon | agreed, I hope to never meet a provider that gives its customers only a single /64, but I fully expect many will |
| 22:31.06 | andyjpb | ladowacharpuny: are you using gpg --edit-key <keyid> |
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| 22:32.06 | Dagger2 | tremon: I suspect my ISP will be among them, if they ever do IPv6 at all :( |
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| 22:33.00 | Dagger2 | _Alex-: well... you should be able to use something like `ip addr add 2001:db8::1/64 dev eth0`, but I'm not sure what's up with your `ifconfig` |
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| 22:33.21 | Dagger2 | _Alex-: is this on an OpenWRT/DD-WRT/other embedded system? |
| 22:33.53 | _Alex- | no, its Debian Squeeze |
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| 22:34.33 | Dagger2 | ... of course, we're in #debian, that would make sense |
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| 22:35.39 | _Alex- | :D:DD:D |
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| 22:41.03 | Iridos | Dagger2, amazing the things one can sometimes imply :) |
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| 23:02.56 | ladowacharpuny | has anyone tried to go back in time with kernel 3 :P? |
| 23:05.22 | andyjpb | ladowacharpuny: did you delete your subkey? |
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| 23:07.58 | ladowacharpuny | andyjpb: yes, now work |
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| 23:22.03 | nutron | hmm, my / file system just went readonly. Is there a way to force it back to rw without rebooting the machine? |
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| 23:23.37 | andyjpb | nutron: why did it go readonly? that should only happen if something bad is going down |
| 23:24.36 | nutron | andyjpb: dmesg isn't telling me much, other than an md error... =/ which is: |
| 23:24.42 | nutron | [4924554.961473] ERROR: (device md0): diRead: i_ino != di_number |
| 23:25.06 | andyjpb | I'd advise against it. but mount -oremount,rw / might work |
| 23:25.11 | andyjpb | why can't you reboot? |
| 23:25.24 | andyjpb | sounds like you need to make a backup asap |
| 23:25.34 | nutron | fsck and md resync will take hours... all workstations are nfs home mounted to this box. |
| 23:25.40 | nutron | essentially ending the business day |
| 23:26.08 | nutron | aye backup is good and done this morning.. just an operability issue atm |
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| 23:28.00 | nutron | touch: cannot touch `/hi': Read-only file system |
| 23:28.20 | nutron | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.20 | nutron | mount: / not mounted already, or bad option |
| 23:28.43 | nutron | hmm... looks I'm sending everyone home... |
| 23:28.57 | BinaryLinux | Should be a space between -o remount ? |
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| 23:29.16 | nutron | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 23:29.17 | nutron | mount: / not mounted already, or bad option |
| 23:29.35 | nutron | if I take remount out, it says mtab already reports that / is mounted |
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| 23:30.18 | nutron | sorry thought anything over 2 lines was bad |
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| 23:31.27 | nkuttler | nutron: output of mount? |
| 23:31.44 | nkuttler | oh wait... yeah, backup |
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| 23:32.31 | andyjpb | nutron: sounds like important data... can you afford to lose it? |
| 23:32.58 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/167479/ <-- output of mount |
| 23:33.03 | andyjpb | what filesystem is it? |
| 23:33.12 | andyjpb | why is /home on the same slice anyway? |
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| 23:33.34 | nutron | andyjpb: well I have a successful backup from this morning, other than having to install the machine from scratch ... i guess i could |
| 23:33.37 | andyjpb | nutron: looks like / is already rw |
| 23:34.20 | andyjpb | looks like the /dev/md0 block device has gone readonly: not the filesystem |
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| 23:34.42 | nutron | andyjpb: /home is on the same slice b/c I lost a fight with the boss ... 2 tb drives are "meant" to be system drives... long story, but a secondary server is being built to fix these issues. |
| 23:34.45 | andyjpb | what's in dmesg other than that one line? |
| 23:35.18 | andyjpb | well, we'll have to work with what we've got... it's no thing |
| 23:35.29 | andyjpb | what does 'touch /hello' do? |
| 23:35.41 | nutron | andyjpb: dmesg is now full of jfs call traces |
| 23:35.50 | andyjpb | can I see them? |
| 23:35.59 | nutron | yep, one sec |
| 23:36.24 | BenBE | karlpinc: mongo calrogman Thanks again for the support earlier. Filed the problem as #671690 in Debian BTS against libgamin0 which was the culprit. |
| 23:36.43 | karlpinc | BenBE: That'll be interesting to look at. |
| 23:36.50 | nutron | andyjpb: http://paste.debian.net/167480/ |
| 23:37.07 | nutron | that's only part of it as it's filling up now :/ |
| 23:38.11 | andyjpb | looks like it's in a real pickle |
| 23:38.17 | andyjpb | seems to be struggling to remount |
| 23:38.40 | andyjpb | jfs won't take ages to fsck tho... it's journalled so should only be a few seconds |
| 23:38.53 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/167481/ |
| 23:39.01 | andyjpb | do you have ECC memory on that machine? |
| 23:39.08 | nutron | that's what's before those call traces |
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| 23:39.50 | nutron | andyjpb: unfortunately ... no it's non ecc |
| 23:39.55 | andyjpb | what's iowait time lik ein top? |
| 23:40.27 | BenBE | karlpinc: I guessed ;-) Found the issue incidentially. Especially interesting if taking #438552 into account which asks if the Conflicts line is still necessary ;-) I wish happy debugging :P |
| 23:40.38 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/167482/ that's top output |
| 23:41.20 | andyjpb | what does '# touch /hello' do? |
| 23:41.51 | nutron | touch /hello; touch: cannot touch `/hello': Read-only file system |
| 23:42.25 | nutron | hmm maybe mdadm can do something to start a resync? bah, looks like a reboot anyway |
| 23:42.33 | andyjpb | I don't think you've got much choice about a reboot right now |
| 23:42.38 | andyjpb | what's the md configuration? |
| 23:42.44 | andyjpb | don't reboot yet tho |
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| 23:43.23 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/167483/ <-- md config |
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| 23:43.34 | nutron | gah gotta hit the john... brb |
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| 23:46.02 | mynameisdeleted | Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] |
| 23:46.02 | mynameisdeleted | md0 : active raid5 sdb2[0] sdc2[2] sdd2[1] |
| 23:46.02 | mynameisdeleted | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.02 | mynameisdeleted | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.02 | mynameisdeleted | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:46.33 | mynameisdeleted | hi all |
| 23:46.38 | mynameisdeleted | finally have raid5 reshaping |
| 23:46.41 | mynameisdeleted | [>....................] reshape = 0.4% (13147048/2930166648) finish=3983.0min speed=12205K/sec |
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| 23:47.05 | mynameisdeleted | when thats complete after a long long time I shoudl be able to repartition my gpt root and resize2fs my ext4 root to be 6TB |
| 23:48.23 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: Did you notice the bag of rice which just fell over? |
| 23:48.38 | mynameisdeleted | which bag? |
| 23:48.56 | andyjpb | nutron: I don't understand why your config shows three devices but there should be 4 but none appear to have failed |
| 23:49.20 | BenBE | Well, the one sitting on top of your hard drive ;-) |
| 23:49.25 | mynameisdeleted | haha |
| 23:49.37 | mynameisdeleted | rice is a good moisture absorber if you wet your cell-phone by mistake |
| 23:49.47 | mynameisdeleted | yeah... it sounds crunchy too |
| 23:49.54 | nutron | andyjpb: i marked one as failed ages ago, didn't bother to put it back b/c I forgot =/ |
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| 23:50.06 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: Just wanted to make you aware of the fact that your paste needed some context to be viable to the general folks following this channel ... |
| 23:50.08 | mynameisdeleted | once reshape happens the device size shouldbe double that of raid1 2 drive |
| 23:50.08 | andyjpb | nutron: that explains that then |
| 23:50.30 | mynameisdeleted | I'm sorry |
| 23:50.33 | andyjpb | looks like something bad is up and you should stop it spreading |
| 23:50.35 | nutron | andyjpb: indeed, I don't understand the failure at all |
| 23:51.00 | andyjpb | a reboot shouldn't take long |
| 23:51.19 | mynameisdeleted | 2217 mins.. is that like a day or so? |
| 23:51.22 | nutron | andyjpb: aye, just told 'em all to go home... I'll try to rsync the changed data for today and reboot to see if that fixes it |
| 23:51.38 | nutron | mynameisdeleted: divide by 60? |
| 23:51.40 | andyjpb | why have you sent them home? |
| 23:51.40 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: No big deal; just something for you to pay attention to when using the channel. |
| 23:51.42 | andyjpb | what time is it there? |
| 23:51.43 | mynameisdeleted | 1.53 days or 36.9 hours |
| 23:51.57 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: 1440 mins are one day, thus 2217 should be around 1.5 days. |
| 23:52.01 | mynameisdeleted | some time tomorrow or the day after I'll be able to use my new size |
| 23:52.09 | nutron | andyjpb: 4:51pm close at 9 |
| 23:52.15 | mynameisdeleted | its crazy how long it takes to manage raid5's made of 3TB drives |
| 23:52.44 | mynameisdeleted | once resize happens I can parted (using sectors as units so I Can match start exactly) |
| 23:52.50 | mynameisdeleted | and fillll the entire disk with my root |
| 23:52.55 | mynameisdeleted | then resize2fs and fsck |
| 23:52.57 | BenBE | mynameisdeleted: Personally I'm using raid6 with 6 times 1 TB ... |
| 23:52.59 | mynameisdeleted | then reboot on 6TB root |
| 23:53.42 | andyjpb | nutron: you think you'll be down for more than an hour or so? |
| 23:53.50 | mynameisdeleted | if I add a disk I can mdadm reconfigure raid5 to raid6 |
| 23:53.55 | mynameisdeleted | but for 3 drives raid5 is best |
| 23:54.01 | mynameisdeleted | 4 I do raid5 with a spare |
| 23:54.05 | mynameisdeleted | or raid6 |
| 23:54.07 | BenBE | The root is a plain old 8GB thumb drive sitting in one of the USB slots as there was no more SATA connector available. |
| 23:54.08 | mynameisdeleted | then I start gowing |
| 23:54.14 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: you have a battery backed raid controller? |
| 23:54.28 | mynameisdeleted | all software raid in linux |
| 23:54.34 | andyjpb | don't use raid5 then |
| 23:54.35 | mynameisdeleted | with initrd's that scan for raid partitions |
| 23:54.48 | mynameisdeleted | I have battery backed computer |
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| 23:54.53 | nutron | andyjpb: the backup may take some time, I'm guessing an hour, and if the md resyncs... the workstations are basically hung until its done... 2 tb takes a loooong time to resync |
| 23:55.20 | mynameisdeleted | raid6 is better? |
| 23:55.22 | BenBE | andyjpb: Any details on the raid5 thing you mentioned? Just curious. |
| 23:55.22 | andyjpb | nutron: you want to rsync before reboot rather than just shutdown and take out one side of the mirror? |
| 23:55.33 | andyjpb | BenBE: google for raid 5 write hole |
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| 23:56.11 | BenBE | andyjpb: thx. |
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| 23:57.27 | mynameisdeleted | I most never shut down badly with my backup |
| 23:57.35 | mynameisdeleted | but if I do I can afford to loose a single file and recreate it |
| 23:57.45 | mynameisdeleted | as long as I verify files written correclty are read correctly |
| 23:57.57 | nutron | andyjpb: good point ... though the resync will take some time |
| 23:58.32 | mynameisdeleted | if a file is half written the file is bad on any raid level |
| 23:58.42 | mynameisdeleted | regardless of whether raid handled a partial read correctly or not |
| 23:58.43 | andyjpb | mynameisdeleted: you can't verify that with raid5 |
| 23:58.48 | andyjpb | (sw raid5) |
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| 23:59.05 | andyjpb | nutron: that depends on when you reinsert the other half of the mirror |
| 23:59.09 | mynameisdeleted | so.. startup script... find all files with modification date of the last shutdown |
| 23:59.24 | mynameisdeleted | then I just apt-get install --reuinstaall whatever package has that file |
| 23:59.31 | mynameisdeleted | and the rest are clean |
