| 00:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1181] by debhelper |
| 00:00.27 | *** join/#debian jdolan (~jdolan@146.115.163.236) |
| 00:01.03 | *** join/#debian gentz (ilab@ancient.webfoundation.net) |
| 00:01.17 | *** join/#debian arif-ali_ (~arif-ali@94-192-24-56.zone6.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:01.40 | *** join/#debian Rick_T (b8e28dff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.226.141.255) |
| 00:01.44 | Rick_T | Hello |
| 00:01.59 | Rick_T | I'm assuming that the weekly testing build CD 2 has gnome on it? CD 1 did not for the installation .iso files. |
| 00:02.05 | *** join/#debian aguitel (~aguitel@200.3.187.120) |
| 00:02.18 | Rick_T | Does anyone know if gnome is on disk 2? |
| 00:02.22 | *** join/#debian phorce1 (~gvl2@76.210.229.177) |
| 00:02.22 | *** join/#debian phorce1 (~gvl2@pdpc/supporter/active/phorce1) |
| 00:03.22 | themill | Rick_T: most of gnome should be on disc 1 with the remainder on disc 2. But weekly builds of the testing iso can be hit and miss. You're usually better to install stable and upgrade. |
| 00:03.23 | epicfail | okey guys my sources.list is crashed and oviously bejond repair |
| 00:03.59 | Rick_T | themill: Due to other problems, I can't go from stable and upgrade. |
| 00:04.29 | Rick_T | themill: So I am trying to go straight there and am wondering where gnome is on the list of CDs. (slow internet connection and must deliberately choose which ones) |
| 00:04.34 | *** join/#debian chasckbv (~debian-b@190.167.35.217) |
| 00:04.38 | *** join/#debian bs0d (~kvirc@sa-175-178.saturn.infonet.ee) |
| 00:04.38 | simonlnu | *blink* |
| 00:04.50 | *** join/#debian mstsc (mstsc@46.246.71.61) |
| 00:05.36 | bs0d | Hello guys. Before running NVIDIA driver installer, which packages and build-dependencies need to be installed from apt in order for the build to run successfully? |
| 00:06.16 | kevlarman | bs0d: it's generally not a good idea to install something behind dpkg's back |
| 00:06.19 | mstsc | who needs Dedicated server write me! |
| 00:06.55 | epicfail | okey i can see ur oviously not willing to help me... have fun in your "support" channel i try to find one where people are willing to help |
| 00:06.58 | *** join/#debian archetech (~noota@108-203-131-125.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:07.02 | bs0d | kevlarman: I think there is no way to tell dpkg about those nvidia drives. There is an installer script, which builds the driver and installs it. |
| 00:07.15 | *** join/#debian elbing (~elbing@231.pool85-60-0.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 00:07.23 | Rick_T | epicfail: What do you need help with? |
| 00:07.26 | kevlarman | bs0d: there's also a package in non-free that downloads and builds the drivers |
| 00:07.38 | themill | Rick_T: he needs help with reading; he's also quit. |
| 00:07.41 | mackminer | guys, im getting an unable to export display when using xhost + on the command line, I've no idea whats going on here. |
| 00:07.49 | kevlarman | bs0d: failing that, at least use checkinstall |
| 00:07.50 | Rick_T | Oh. |
| 00:07.53 | bs0d | kevlarman: those are too old :( In stable, at least. 200.1 is needed |
| 00:08.11 | *** join/#debian tsdedst (~tsdedst@a95-92-116-133.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 00:08.25 | kevlarman | bs0d: and install it first anyway, it'll at least get you sane dependencies |
| 00:08.26 | *** join/#debian nh2 (~nh2@87-194-86-240.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:08.41 | kevlarman | bs0d: or maybe build-dep |
| 00:11.08 | *** part/#debian ggoes (~user@fsf/member/ggoes) |
| 00:12.23 | *** join/#debian epicfail (~asdf@chello084113015143.2.12.vie.surfer.at) |
| 00:14.06 | *** join/#debian phogg (~phogg@173-10-190-217-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 00:14.25 | *** join/#debian arif-ali_ (~arif-ali@94-192-24-56.zone6.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:15.22 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.74.16) |
| 00:16.47 | *** join/#debian S0lo (~S0lo@unaffiliated/s0lo) |
| 00:16.57 | *** join/#debian jdolan_ (~jdolan@146.115.163.236) |
| 00:17.05 | epicfail | wine still does not work and i cant ever upgrade my system again! thx |
| 00:17.42 | *** join/#debian floe_ (~flo@e179006091.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:17.49 | themill | epicfail: you do really well at providing just enough information for everyone to know that you're here making noise and not enough information for anyone to help you. |
| 00:17.50 | *** join/#debian theGanymedes (~theGanyme@46.197.61.151) |
| 00:18.05 | theGanymedes | hi everyone |
| 00:18.13 | theGanymedes | can anyone describe me shortly |
| 00:18.20 | theGanymedes | what 's the difference between |
| 00:18.31 | theGanymedes | /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/available files? |
| 00:18.46 | *** join/#debian zaslan (~zaslan@h-28-96.a328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 00:18.46 | *** join/#debian ceed^ (~irssi@76-253-64-19.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:18.57 | *** part/#debian mstsc (mstsc@46.246.71.61) |
| 00:19.28 | themill | theGanymedes: dpkg(1) covers this in the "Files" section |
| 00:19.32 | theGanymedes | thank you |
| 00:19.51 | *** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@46.226.184.245) |
| 00:19.58 | *** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@unaffiliated/mentor) |
| 00:20.19 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~0bitcount@213.37.203.30.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 00:20.30 | theGanymedes | it says "available" shows the lists of available packages |
| 00:20.38 | theGanymedes | but it's empty in my system |
| 00:20.43 | theGanymedes | and yet still apt does show |
| 00:20.48 | theGanymedes | available packages |
| 00:20.58 | epicfail | themill the only things i heared were good luck and read the entire interent. |
| 00:21.10 | theGanymedes | so dpkg still works if available file is empty? |
| 00:21.28 | theGanymedes | I'm asking, because I'm writing a front-end for APT |
| 00:21.34 | themill | theGanymedes: available is only a cache and if I remember correctly is only used by dselect these days. /msg dpkg available |
| 00:21.47 | theGanymedes | oh, thank you |
| 00:21.54 | epicfail | themill, my apt-get tries to upgrade to backports now and i dont know how to set it back to "never automatically upgade to backports" |
| 00:22.26 | themill | theGanymedes: the world doesn't need a new frontend to apt btw. It could do with some improvements to the existing ones though |
| 00:22.38 | theGanymedes | I'm writing it for Android, so.. |
| 00:22.42 | *** join/#debian master_of_master (~master_of@p57B52E4C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:22.47 | theGanymedes | I don't think anyone did that :) |
| 00:22.52 | themill | epicfail: I'm sure we've been through this before. full command and full output in a pastebin |
| 00:23.42 | theGanymedes | themill: thanks a lot for your help, you saved me hours |
| 00:23.53 | simonlnu | !bo |
| 00:23.53 | dpkg | i heard bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 00:24.33 | themill | theGanymedes: but if you're writing a frontend for libapt, you don't need those details anyway. BTW python-apt may be of interest to you too... |
| 00:25.40 | *** join/#debian briain (~briain@89.100.21.66) |
| 00:26.02 | epicfail | themill, full paste? its just a normal apt-get showing the upgrates and waiting for a "y" or "n" but the list is full with upgrades from backports... |
| 00:26.29 | themill | epicfail: You can now have the "have fun on your own" answer from me too. Well done. |
| 00:27.36 | epicfail | themill, http://www.pasteall.org/28789 |
| 00:28.00 | epicfail | themill, here you go... |
| 00:28.24 | theGanymedes | themill: no, actually, I cross compiled apt and using it to distribute some stuff; however since it's a command-line tool, I also needed to write a GUI for it |
| 00:28.53 | theGanymedes | and since the system is Android, I just simply relay commands to apt on the back |
| 00:29.13 | theGanymedes | didn't check the libapt though, does it offer the functionality of APT to programs? |
| 00:29.23 | themill | theGanymedes: apt-get is a command-line tool, but you'll see that it's actually just a very thin layer on top of libapt-pkg. |
| 00:29.25 | *** join/#debian Benkinooby (~Benkinoob@unaffiliated/benkinooby) |
| 00:30.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1175] by debhelper |
| 00:30.18 | theGanymedes | themill: omg! than I can use libapt for all the functionality, instead of trying to parse the output of apt-get (and others) ? |
| 00:31.20 | *** join/#debian drinkycrow (~whoreface@c-68-58-76-30.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:32.09 | themill | theGanymedes: yes. That's what it's there for. (And things like python-apt are a set of python bindings for the library that might be suitable for you -- I don't know if that fits in your constraints) |
| 00:32.34 | *** join/#debian arif-ali (~arif-ali@94-192-24-56.zone6.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:32.56 | theGanymedes | themill: I have to use slightly modified Java, but I think it's possible to call C library functions from it. Thank you a zillion, you really saved me from a great misery :D |
| 00:33.05 | *** join/#debian emss (emss@d27-96-124-124.nap.wideopenwest.com) |
| 00:33.11 | *** join/#debian LjL (~ljl@unaffiliated/ljl) |
| 00:33.25 | theGanymedes | themill: I was trying so hard to figure a way for that - didn't even thought of libapt :D |
| 00:34.13 | themill | yeah, talking to others about a problem is often handy just to get a different perspective. I don't envy you the hacked about java though... |
| 00:36.15 | nutron | Which package writes /etc/hosts upon installation? Is there a reconfigure I can do or should I simply change it all by hand on 100 stations? |
| 00:37.28 | themill | nutron: what info are you putting in there? |
| 00:38.02 | *** join/#debian elbing (~elbing@214.pool85-54-224.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 00:38.48 | nutron | themill: the current hostname. machines got moved around, and dhcp got the workstation names wrong, so for example the workstation's name is provided by dhcp as 'ws12' but 'ws999' is in the hosts file pointing to 127.0.0.1. |
| 00:39.04 | nutron | ws999 is a cheesy default because things were broken at the time |
| 00:40.19 | *** join/#debian delvalle26 (~delvalle2@62.82.191.250.static.user.ono.com) |
| 00:40.33 | *** join/#debian buribu (~buribu@unaffiliated/buribu) |
| 00:42.09 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 00:43.32 | themill | nutron: hmm... netbase creates it but it doesn't really give a great interface to fixing it. Perhaps a little sed via pssh (or puppet or chef or...) will be necessary here for you. |
| 00:43.48 | nutron | aye puppet indeed. |
| 00:44.29 | *** join/#debian jmper (~jmper@unaffiliated/jmper) |
| 00:44.37 | *** join/#debian nim__ (~nim@178.128.168.33.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) |
| 00:44.40 | *** part/#debian jmper (~jmper@unaffiliated/jmper) |
| 00:46.18 | *** join/#debian cerettala_ (~IceChat9@cpe-66-68-87-18.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 00:46.21 | *** join/#debian iceflatline (~iceflatli@ip68-100-130-114.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 00:46.50 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~michael@99.148.206.187) |
| 00:47.04 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 00:47.36 | *** join/#debian SoUkSoU (~souksou@unaffiliated/souksou) |
| 00:47.56 | ksx4system | anybody has an idea how to make Tor work just like on this diagram? http://paste.debian.net/plain/154750 |
| 00:49.46 | *** join/#debian bananasdoom (~quassel@122-149-149-150.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 00:52.15 | *** join/#debian westoztux (~daz@203.59.28.84) |
| 00:53.10 | *** join/#debian choonming_ (~choonming@210.195.25.2) |
| 00:55.07 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:56.16 | *** join/#debian linusoleander (~linus@banan.olf.sgsnet.se) |
| 00:56.34 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@117.192.196.248) |
| 00:56.34 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 00:57.17 | linusoleander | My system clock is off by 3 hours and 10 something minutes. I've change it 3 times today, but It changes – different times every time. Anyone know what the problem may be? |
| 00:57.23 | *** join/#debian xiangfu (~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com) |
| 00:57.42 | linusoleander | Running "date" returns "Sat Feb 4 03:41:15 CET 2012" |
| 00:58.17 | *** join/#debian sterNiX (~LessIsMor@unaffiliated/nu253r/x-0655220) |
| 00:58.17 | linusoleander | Changing it using date -s "Sat Feb 4 01:58:15 CET 2012" works for a while |
| 00:58.24 | MrFrood | linusoleander: use ntp |
| 00:58.34 | linusoleander | MrFrood: I think I'm |
| 00:58.48 | *** join/#debian cerettala_ (~IceChat9@cpe-66-68-87-18.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 00:58.51 | linusoleander | MrFrood: ntpq -p list a bunch of servers |
| 00:59.00 | linusoleander | MrFrood: How do I know if it works? |
| 00:59.00 | MrFrood | http://wiki.debian.org/NTP |
| 01:00.13 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-457112ca.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:00.24 | MrFrood | the time should not need adjusting if it works |
| 01:00.25 | nutron | linusoleander: as an aside, it could be that you're running an i386 kernel on an amd64 machine. Also known to be a problem with the RTC on VIA chipset motherboards. |
| 01:00.35 | bananasdoom | I want to start mincraft server with o gui in the command line and then switch to console later on but still be able to manage the server how do i do this ? |
| 01:00.43 | nutron | But MrFrood is right, ntp it and forget it. |
| 01:01.03 | bananasdoom | can anyone point me towards a gude explaining how to do this |
| 01:01.06 | linusoleander | nutron: I've not changed anything on the server, everything has been working fine for 2 years |
| 01:01.25 | *** join/#debian r4co0n (~r4co0n@ip-90-187-33-208.web.vodafone.de) |
| 01:01.32 | linusoleander | MrFrood: How do I know if it works |
| 01:03.09 | *** join/#debian LDungeon (~llama@cpe-174-102-147-31.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 01:03.21 | nutron | linusoleander: is it a VIA chipset? |
| 01:03.37 | linusoleander | nutron: It's running on a VPS |
| 01:03.38 | MrFrood | linusoleander: grep to see if the ntp daemon is running |
| 01:03.54 | *** join/#debian Zyferus (~zyferus@c-67-162-190-88.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 01:04.02 | linusoleander | MrFrood: Yepp, it's up |
| 01:04.14 | nutron | linusoleander: bah, chalk one up for bare metal |
| 01:04.41 | nutron | is it an i386 kernel? |
| 01:05.27 | *** join/#debian bentkus (~quassel@dslb-092-073-089-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:05.30 | linusoleander | nutron: I should be i64 |
| 01:05.34 | linusoleander | *It |
| 01:05.54 | nutron | uname -a shows? |
| 01:06.16 | linusoleander | → sudo ntpdate -b prrr.se |
| 01:06.17 | linusoleander | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.17 | linusoleander | Wtf?! |
| 01:06.34 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 01:06.55 | linusoleander | Where in the world is the clock of by 15 min? |
| 01:07.40 | *** join/#debian CoilDomain (~jasonruiz@pool-173-65-93-96.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:08.24 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 01:09.02 | linusoleander | I'm I missing something? |
| 01:10.20 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~michael@99.148.206.187) |
| 01:10.56 | *** join/#debian alex- (~alex-@unaffiliated/local-host) |
| 01:11.17 | alex- | How can I install on a system that doesn't haves USB boot install a debian installation without a cd? |
| 01:12.32 | *** join/#debian DeeEff (~DF@S0106002401e59e07.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 01:13.12 | *** join/#debian wren (~me@219.70.221.138) |
| 01:13.56 | bananasdoom | alex: flopy:P |
| 01:14.04 | *** join/#debian krake (~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:14.13 | nkuttler | alex-: pxe |
| 01:14.17 | simonlnu | linusoleander: stop ntpd, then run that... |
| 01:14.36 | simonlnu | socket, it means tcp/udp socket |
| 01:14.44 | simonlnu | (udp in this case) |
| 01:14.57 | nkuttler | !tell alex- about ig |
| 01:15.38 | simonlnu | rube goldberg, or net/pxe booting |
| 01:15.52 | linusoleander | simonlnu: Hmm, that worked. |
| 01:16.02 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 01:16.07 | linusoleander | Does that mean that the ntp server that I'm using it off sync? |
| 01:16.20 | simonlnu | what means that? |
| 01:16.57 | *** join/#debian sghe (~sghe@87.19.32.167) |
| 01:18.39 | *** join/#debian chasckbv (~debian-b@190.80.142.41) |
| 01:19.55 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 01:21.01 | *** join/#debian ricardopontes (~ricardo@201.75.246.24) |
| 01:22.01 | *** join/#debian nsadmin (~nsadmin@unaffiliated/nsadmin) |
| 01:22.27 | *** join/#debian Daemonik1 (~user@static-173-55-114-2.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:23.04 | Mephisto | is there any way i can turn that "smart" window placing in gnome for some apps? |
| 01:23.12 | Mephisto | like for terminal? It always appears in top left corner |
| 01:23.44 | *** join/#debian chasckbv_ (~debian-b@190.80.142.41) |
| 01:24.09 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 01:27.08 | *** join/#debian Erik5 (a378460a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.163.120.70.10) |
| 01:27.28 | z28 | Mephisto: gconf-editor maybe, very sketchy at best. |
| 01:27.58 | Mephisto | well.. actually i've tried that.. but i didn't notice anything there.. |
| 01:27.58 | *** join/#debian lindenle_ (~lindenle@c-24-23-246-58.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:28.38 | Mephisto | besides... this thing works only for specific apps.. |
| 01:28.51 | Erik5 | Hello. |
| 01:29.23 | Erik5 | If I download the first 4 installation CDs for debian testing, I will almost certain have gnome available when I take the .iso files home? |
| 01:30.18 | simonlnu | probably not every single app in gnome section. it's sorted by usage |
| 01:30.22 | simonlnu | !cd contents |
| 01:30.22 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 01:31.08 | z28 | Erik5: cd1 .iso alone will get you a full desktop including gnome, not sure about testing. |
| 01:31.09 | Erik5 | Thanks simonlnu, that was exactly what I was looking for. |
| 01:31.36 | Erik5 | Well, I just ran the first testing cd and it didn't automatically install gnome; I thought that if it was on the first cd it would install normally like it does on the normal installer |
| 01:32.04 | Mephisto | when i tried installing Testing i always ended up not having the kernel for it. |
| 01:32.18 | Mephisto | as if i had to have it in advance stored somewhere. |
| 01:32.30 | Erik5 | Mephisto: Well, mine worked and booted just had no de |
| 01:32.35 | simonlnu | well, it's a testing cd. it's to *test* it. if there's problems, you report them. |
| 01:32.37 | Mephisto | weird. |
| 01:32.50 | Mephisto | it happened two times. |
| 01:33.07 | Mephisto | that's how i never got to see Testing :) |
| 01:33.16 | Mephisto | and ended up using stable, which i actually love. |
| 01:33.36 | Mephisto | the best thing ever for me. |
| 01:33.38 | Erik5 | Mephisto: I spent a month trying to find a solution to an xorg problem or something with my video card. I just recently found that they have .iso files |
| 01:33.42 | Erik5 | Mephisto: for testing that is |
| 01:33.52 | Mephisto | what kind of video prob did you have? |
| 01:34.00 | Mephisto | you couldn't get a higher resolution for your LCD? :) |
| 01:34.54 | Erik5 | Mephisto: I'm really not sure. I tried to get help on the forums but it was too difficult. About a dozen installs and failures later, here I am with a simple solution to just try the cds |
| 01:35.07 | Mephisto | odd. |
| 01:35.26 | Mephisto | i did have probs with stable even... video, audio.. but they were always the same, and i solved all of them my own ways. |
| 01:35.31 | Erik5 | Mephisto: Yeah |
| 01:36.26 | somiaj | stable has backported packages for xorg and for the kernel if you happen to need newer drivers than are in squeeze by default. |
| 01:37.12 | *** join/#debian black-rose (~black-ros@178.73.222.101) |
| 01:37.21 | Mephisto | i know |
| 01:37.23 | Erik5 | Thanks everyone! :) |
| 01:37.27 | BoyOfWuHan | any help,,,I use rsync and got this ,rsync: failed to set times on XXXX,,,,cant transfer files from client to server |
| 01:37.27 | Mephisto | but i'm not using it personally. |
| 01:37.30 | Erik5 | Off to try the cds |
| 01:37.36 | Mephisto | unfortunatelly i prefer proprietary stuff. |
| 01:38.02 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: what file system / permissions do you have on the server you are copying to? |
| 01:38.06 | Mephisto | it's always better despite what them raging linuxoids say. |
| 01:38.31 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj ext3 |
| 01:38.34 | somiaj | Mephisto: it depends on what you mean by better. |
| 01:38.44 | Mephisto | better in all the ways. Just better. |
| 01:39.00 | BoyOfWuHan | client is ext3 ,and server is ext2 |
| 01:39.42 | *** join/#debian sghe (~sghe@87.19.32.167) |
| 01:39.44 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj,any guaidlines? |
| 01:40.15 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: first link in google suggested adding a |
| 01:40.29 | Mephisto | i've tried free linux drivers for both ATI and Nvidia... both didn't work the way desired.. |
| 01:40.49 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj, have google a lot ,but cant sovle this problem... |
| 01:41.06 | Mephisto | i mean they worked, but not entirely good. Maybe i had to set it up or something, i dunno... but i just ended up using proprietary drivers. |
| 01:41.24 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj,folder on server is 755 |
| 01:41.39 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: '-O' or '--omit-dir-times', that may get it to work, though there is something wrong with the file system / rsync if it cannot set times |
| 01:43.22 | Mephisto | as for backported stuff... it's not always 100% reliable. Their stuff has bugs sometimes. So it's more like.. for experienced users. |
| 01:43.30 | Mephisto | i'm using backported kernel 2.6.38. |
| 01:44.19 | Mephisto | seems to be ok, but sometimes on network connection restart it brings an error. Saying "kernel failed" or something... though that doesn't reflect much on anything... but i'm just saying that some things are a bit glitchy there. |
| 01:44.26 | dvs | not 3.2? |
| 01:44.28 | somiaj | Mephisto: do you have an actual debian support question? And yes backported packages are for if you need them, but don't go though the same testing / stability / bug fixes as the normal packages. Unforntally not all hardware is supported by default in squeeze. |
| 01:44.38 | *** join/#debian nutron (~nutron@unaffiliated/nutron) |
| 01:44.47 | Mephisto | i know. |
| 01:45.35 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj,,cant tell me more details to do this,,,,I'm a newie |
| 01:46.04 | Mephisto | but i upgraded kernel from backports not because i had some probs with particular hardware... but just in case. Though i did have an annoying issue reported by dmesg... something about acpi... it never really bothered me, i just didn't wanna see that thing. when i got 2.6.38 it dissappeard. Oh well, at least something good :) |
| 01:46.45 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: I don't know the inner workings of your setup and why you are having trouble writing file times. I would have to know detials about which files were having trouble and try to look at it on both the client and server |
| 01:46.55 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/667992/rsync-error-failed-to-set-times-on-foo-txt-operation-not-permitted -- that is the page I was reading the suggestions from |
| 01:47.06 | Mephisto | as for questions... i still have one and i never got an answer to it :) |
| 01:47.06 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 01:47.17 | Mephisto | i have problems with some CDs. |
| 01:47.22 | Mephisto | not with all, but some. |
| 01:47.29 | Mephisto | and no, it has nothing to do with the quality of such. |
| 01:47.44 | Mephisto | and no, i can read them perfectly. |
| 01:48.03 | *** join/#debian Emmanuel_Chanel (star2@L057107.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 01:48.03 | Mephisto | it's just that as soon as they get mounted my system gets frozen for about 30 seconds. |
| 01:49.33 | Mephisto | Then it's all fine, i can read it without a prob. I still can't understand it. AND... it happens only on Gnome. On lightweight WMs no such thing. On windows no such thing. All fine. On KDE though it doesn't open such disks at all, though it never halts, it just never shows the contents of it, as if there was no CD in the drive at all. |
| 01:50.49 | Mephisto | and people usually keep saying the same stuff.. it's either my drive or disks... |
| 01:51.03 | Mephisto | i've tried the same even on other distro... on Suse 11.4 with gnome 2.32. Same shit. |
| 01:51.19 | *** join/#debian mute_ (~mute@c-24-98-152-239.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 01:51.32 | Mephisto | the thing is.. sometimes i manage to OPEN the troublesome media BEFORE it halts. |
| 01:52.08 | Mephisto | it has nothing to do with reading it... it's like.. there's a bit of info on those CDs that hangs system up for a while. |
| 01:52.25 | Mephisto | i can still do some stuff, but most of it gets stuck.. like icons dissappear from the desktop etc... |
| 01:53.19 | *** join/#debian lasers` (~lasers@unaffiliated/lasers) |
| 01:54.06 | Mephisto | actually that's been very annoying so i wish i could find a solution. that DVD drive i have is SATA. |
| 01:56.11 | Mephisto | and strangely it happens to CDs only... usually it has binary info on it, not just any data. |
| 01:56.32 | Mephisto | those that just have movies and music on it are never troublesome. |
| 01:57.17 | Mephisto | but if there are games, or any other kinda stuff usually with autostart things etc then yeah, it freezes up... |
| 01:58.42 | *** join/#debian kamelot324 (~kamelot31@24-230-236-214.hy.cgocable.ca) |
| 01:59.37 | *** join/#debian bs0d (~kvirc@sa-175-178.saturn.infonet.ee) |
| 02:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1166] by debhelper |
| 02:00.06 | bs0d | NVIDIA driver installer complains that it cannot find linux kernel source .. which package do I need to install from apt to get one? |
| 02:00.13 | *** join/#debian chasckbv1 (~debian-b@190.167.54.180) |
| 02:00.15 | *** join/#debian chasckbv2 (~debian-b@190.167.54.180) |
| 02:00.39 | simonlnu | uh, linux-source ? |
| 02:01.38 | bs0d | it contains linux-source for 3.1 kernel, but I have 2.6 |
| 02:01.41 | Mephisto | i guess the only thing i can do is: a) to try another drive, b) to try the whole thing on a different PC. |
| 02:01.42 | somiaj | bs0d: probabaly just the headers for the source. |
| 02:02.04 | somiaj | bs0d: also are you installing the nvidia drivers from nvidia's website or though the nvidia-dkms packages? |
| 02:02.11 | bs0d | somiaj: could you tell the the name of the package that I could seach for in apt? |
| 02:02.22 | Mephisto | i got my nvidia drivers from backports as well. |
| 02:02.26 | bs0d | I am trying to run the nvidia installer from the offsite |
| 02:02.27 | Mephisto | they seem to be perfectly fine. |
| 02:02.45 | bs0d | Mephisto: they must be outdated, which version have you got? |
| 02:02.58 | Mephisto | vice versa, they must be quite new. At least not old. |
| 02:03.01 | Mephisto | hang on... |
| 02:03.15 | Mephisto | 275.36 |
| 02:03.18 | *** join/#debian frodation (~user@frodation.org) |
| 02:03.19 | *** join/#debian wren (~me@219.70.221.138) |
| 02:03.28 | Mephisto | no matter what, i'm fully satisfied with this driver. |
| 02:03.50 | bs0d | I need 290.1, because otherwise wine does not run my favourite game :P |
| 02:03.57 | *** join/#debian prbz (~prebz@c83-254-51-59.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 02:04.12 | somiaj | bs0d: linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 02:04.12 | bs0d | I wonder where I can get the kernel source tree for 2.6 kernel |
| 02:04.23 | Mephisto | what kinda games you wanna run? |
| 02:04.31 | Mephisto | maybe video driver is not your only prob ;) |
| 02:04.54 | *** join/#debian ICEBreakPoint (~d3mux32@89.181.43.137) |
| 02:04.54 | Mephisto | cause running windows games on Wine is pain in the ass |
| 02:05.15 | somiaj | bs0d: you need far more paticular source than that, you need the source tree your kernel was made from. Debian packages the headers for the kernels in a different package, but if you install that package you can compile stuff against that kernel which is the same as having the source tree. |
| 02:05.16 | bs0d | Mephisto: of course, latest wine compiled from source is required as well :) I wanna run MFSX in wine |
| 02:05.24 | Mephisto | and it's usually a whole lot of other probs than video one |
| 02:05.28 | Mephisto | MFSX? |
| 02:05.35 | somiaj | Mephisto: I have been a gamer running windows games in wine for 10+ years now. It works just fine (provided you get game with wine support) |
| 02:06.23 | bs0d | installer is still complaining about missing source tree for kernel 2.6 |
| 02:06.30 | Mephisto | somiaj, well maybe you've been a lucky one as well, 'cause not all games run smoothly on wine. Maybe your prefferences fit just right in. |
| 02:07.02 | Mephisto | for example, you can't run Resident Evil 2 on Wine. No sound, and annoying error message. |
| 02:07.10 | Mephisto | i read that on the website, and i got exactly the same thing. |
| 02:07.16 | Mephisto | though firstly i got it and then i went to read. |
| 02:07.37 | somiaj | Mephisto: no I only play games which work well in wine, as in I understand the issues with running a windows binary on linux. So I make sure the game has good support before playing it. Again this has little to do with #debian. |
| 02:07.46 | bs0d | somiaj: yes, you are right, installer did not like just headers. Do you know where I can get the required sources for 2.6.32-5 kernel? |
| 02:07.54 | Mephisto | somiaj, sure. |
| 02:08.26 | *** join/#debian kruz (~kruz@cpe-72-182-28-220.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 02:08.34 | *** join/#debian drinkycrow (~whoreface@c-68-58-76-30.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 02:08.37 | somiaj | bs0d: there are linux-source packages for that version too, though you should only need the headers. What nvidia card do you have? |
| 02:08.54 | bs0d | somiaj: 8800 GT |
| 02:09.31 | pepperoni | I'm not too familiar w/ debian-live, but how does debian-live deal w/ the root fs and I've been told there's something about a cow overlay that I might be interested in |
| 02:09.43 | pepperoni | can anyone help me understand that in brief |
| 02:10.45 | somiaj | bs0d: the drivers in squeeze should support that card just fine and only need to do things via apt wich will cause you less of a headache than using the ones form nvidia |
| 02:11.06 | Mephisto | anyway, you didn't react on my other question but yet your criticize me for offtopic :) |
| 02:11.11 | somiaj | bs0d: just install the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms package (along with the headers package for your current kernel) |
| 02:11.55 | somiaj | Mephisto: you didn't really have another question. Your cd issue soudns like something wrong with gnomes/kde's auto mounters, are they windows game cds that pause the system? |
| 02:12.06 | somiaj | pepperoni: have you tried the documentation on live.debian.net |
| 02:12.17 | Mephisto | somiaj, yep, windows games. |
| 02:12.38 | Mephisto | somiaj, but it's not only games though. Even Debian installation CD acted like that :) |
| 02:12.41 | somiaj | Mephisto: so yea, the binaries will not run by default. If you have some crazy setup that tries to have wine automatically run things when you plug them in stop it. |
| 02:12.44 | Mephisto | any installation CD in fact. |
| 02:12.52 | *** part/#debian Kittie (~Ash@unaffiliated/ashhh) |
| 02:12.54 | Mephisto | its not wine. |
| 02:12.59 | Mephisto | it does it even without Wine. |
| 02:13.01 | Mephisto | i think. |
| 02:13.22 | Mephisto | even on naked installed system. |
| 02:13.27 | somiaj | well I don't run gnome or kde nor have cd's do anything automatically on my computer so I can't be of help in guessing what their auto mounters / runners may or may not do |
| 02:13.34 | Mephisto | i see. |
| 02:13.35 | Mephisto | ok. |
| 02:13.46 | somiaj | personally you seem to have lots of issues I don't run across. (: |
| 02:13.52 | *** join/#debian em (~em@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 02:14.03 | Mephisto | i feel like there's something redundant, not that it lacks something... but the other way around... something that shouldn't really kick in. |
| 02:14.09 | Mephisto | not lots of issues... |
| 02:14.16 | Mephisto | just some. |
| 02:15.00 | somiaj | Yea I like linux because I can turn off automatic thinking for me and configure thigns to work like I want it. (: |
| 02:15.04 | pepperoni | somiaj: i've been looking through it, but i haven't found anything about a cow overlay which I'd like to understand |
| 02:15.18 | somiaj | pepperoni: really I don't know it that well to understand what a cow overlay is |
| 02:16.11 | somiaj | pepperoni: what I know about the live system is all the data is stored as debian packages on the usb/cd image and at boot a memory file system is created and tools are set up such that the actual binaries and the likes are extracted from teh packages at run time and stuck into the memory file system to be run. |
| 02:16.14 | pepperoni | somiaj: neither do i, but i was told that somehow debian live handles the mounting of the rootfs from the init scripts, and something about a cow overlay |
| 02:16.50 | Mephisto | some things tend to work different for the others :) |
| 02:16.51 | somiaj | pepperoni: so maybe the cow overlay is the overlay that is able to take the data from the packages on the actual live medium (cd/usb) and put them into the virtual root filesystem it built |
| 02:17.21 | *** join/#debian TheRedOctober (~administr@pool-96-250-107-106.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 02:17.50 | Mephisto | by the way, even if i turn all automounting off and stuff it would still act the same way :) |
| 02:18.20 | somiaj | pepperoni: so really waht debian-live is is a set of init scripts and a kernel that can then take a collection of packages from debian that include all their dependenicies and boot up from it and run it in a live system. The docs on live.debian.net actualyl explain how to create your own custom live images (basically debian package list) with this framework/tools. |
| 02:18.51 | somiaj | pepperoni: again this is a very nieve understanding as I really haven't played with it to much |
| 02:19.08 | somiaj | though I have always wanted to get unlazy and build an debian+fvwm live image |
| 02:19.25 | pepperoni | somiaj: i'll take anything i can get, thanks for the info |
| 02:20.24 | *** join/#debian bentkus (~quassel@dslb-092-073-089-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:21.05 | *** join/#debian soya (~user@61.131.73.10) |
| 02:22.32 | *** join/#debian Virtualmix (~Virtualmi@60-240-178-181.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:23.03 | *** join/#debian shogunx (~shogunx@rrcs-67-79-182-232.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 02:24.21 | somiaj | pepperoni: hope it can be of use, if you come back by during the week you may catch someone who has more knowledge of the live system |
| 02:24.38 | D-Boy | how to scp to a server which it doesn't have the 'regular' ssh port ? AServer(SShSession) ==>BServer(SShPort:xxx) scp file distantuser@BServer -P xxx doesn't work |
| 02:25.46 | somiaj | D-Boy: I'd use sftp or rsync, but scp has a '-P port' flag |
| 02:26.02 | nkuttler | D-Boy: yes it does, see also -vvv or the logs on the remote box |
| 02:26.14 | somiaj | D-Boy: scp doesn't have an RSA standard so sometimes it just doen't work as epxected while rsync via sftp do |
| 02:26.27 | *** join/#debian sta19 (~rick@98.124.75.195) |
| 02:27.02 | D-Boy | flag ? like a conf on the remote server to tell scp which port to use ? |
| 02:27.45 | somiaj | D-Boy: option flag, scp -P foo src dest |
| 02:28.40 | somiaj | what is a 'regular' ssh port, does this just mean the ssh server is bound to a differnt port on the remote machine (or some strange routing to a different port). Or does this mean ssh is running in say sftp only mode and not allowing actual login. |
| 02:28.45 | *** join/#debian stefunz (~stefunz@port-92-204-86-159.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 02:30.05 | D-Boy | somiaj : regular port : 22, i'm curious about how to scp TO a box with ssh port different than 22 |
| 02:30.25 | somiaj | D-Boy: scp -P port source dest |
| 02:31.21 | *** join/#debian ajikeshi_ (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi) |
| 02:32.11 | kruz | D-Boy, it's just like somiaj is saying. Example if my server was on port 2222. $ scp -P 2222 ./mylocalfile user@hostname:~/path/on/server |
| 02:32.11 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.74.16) |
| 02:32.21 | D-Boy | somiaj : thx, i was misunderstanding the whole command ^^ |
| 02:33.57 | *** join/#debian Darkelfjuggalo (~darkelfju@64.134.31.26) |
| 02:34.01 | D-Boy | kruz : yep, i thought the -P port have to be 'near the dest declaration so i did scp source dest -P port |
| 02:34.37 | kruz | D-Boy, understood. It happens (: although man scp does say [port] at the front of the command |
| 02:35.05 | D-Boy | kruz : indeed |
| 02:35.10 | somiaj | D-Boy: most command line argument options are parsed before the main list of files and stuff |
| 02:35.30 | D-Boy | somiaj : i'll try to keep that in mind |
| 02:35.42 | somiaj | D-Boy: i.e. more like command -opt1 -opt2 -opt3 foo bar jar mar dar |
| 02:35.55 | somiaj | as opposed to command foo bar jar mar dar -opt1 -opt2 |
| 02:35.59 | somiaj | some can read either way, but most can't |
| 02:36.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | I was looking at a Software list for Linux on Make use of, and noticed there were Anti-virus software... to my understanding I won't have to use an antivirus, so I was curious what they point it of having AVG and suck linux compatible? |
| 02:36.46 | *** join/#debian z28 (~irssi@unaffiliated/ltl) |
| 02:36.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | and such^ |
| 02:37.07 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: viruses are sent via file systems, http sites, email, etc. so it is nice to have an email server find them |
| 02:37.20 | *** join/#debian v116v (~v116v@79.108.241.20.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 02:37.37 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I use to work tech support and it was nice to take a hard drive out of a windows box, connect it via usb to my linux work station, do a completely virus scan on any data I recover from it before reinstalling the os |
| 02:37.54 | somiaj | so there are reason to want to check files for viruses despite not being on windows |
| 02:38.08 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 02:38.15 | D-Boy | somiaj : i thought also that scp worked between 2 remote servers(never tried) i guess not ? |
| 02:38.19 | kruz | Darkelfjuggalo, you may not receive a virus, but if you send your friends a file from your computer, you can infect them all because you have viruses that don't affect you. |
| 02:38.43 | manganese | D-Boy: In addition to kruz's answer, you can also populate $HOME/.ssh/config with host definitions to make certain hosts default to a specific port, meaning you do not need to remember which host listens on which port. |
| 02:38.52 | kruz | D-Boy, it does username@host:path username@hostpath |
| 02:38.56 | somiaj | D-Boy: use rsync, scp really is a hack of a program that doens't have clear protocol and if you even try to use it to non openssl ssh servers could run into issues |
| 02:39.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok my Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail do this already... should I install a detection software to my Webbrowser to do this also for non email downloads? |
| 02:39.41 | D-Boy | okey, thx guys |
| 02:40.02 | *** join/#debian l4ng1t (~DonnyMV@124.81.92.226) |
| 02:40.48 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: it depends, what sort of downloads are you getting and then distributing to others. You could leave it in the hands of the others to run decent virus protection. But if you just have a web server serving stuff you wrote no need to have a virus scanner, but if you have something setup where people can upload random files and distribute them, a virus scanner is nice to ensure someone isn't distruibting virus over your system. |
| 02:41.23 | *** part/#debian z28 (~irssi@unaffiliated/ltl) |
| 02:42.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok thank you... I typically just give a link to a site i download from, I can't work torrents well, and just learned how to handle RAR files. |
| 02:42.18 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: so sites that are distributing stuff to peole (like email on gmail/yahoo/etc) will go the extra step to scan for virus as most people don't. But if you have a site that is just a blog of text you write, really nothing to worry about getting a vrius, though maybe you are extra paanoid |
| 02:44.30 | Darkelfjuggalo | im not... I just happened to see that when i was browsing anf wanted to clarify it with people that have more exp than i do |
| 02:44.40 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: most linux desktop users don't need to go the extra step and run virus protection, most just pointing out the virus protection software has a different use on linux systems. |
| 02:44.49 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 02:47.48 | *** join/#debian rossmohax (~parallels@217.158.143.75) |
| 02:47.56 | *** join/#debian z28 (~irssi@unaffiliated/ltl) |
| 02:48.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | MAinly I'm looking for an art program that is better than GIMP[which i like personally] for minor Video game Artwork maps... I know Photoshop is WINE Compliant, but the Master Collection it comes in as a hole isn't and I want to be able to get a feel for all of the software, or one with the features before I start taking classes and I do not want to have to get a new windows machine to do that [dreading the idea of having to run dual OS simply bc I' |
| 02:48.02 | *** join/#debian sterNiX (~LessIsMor@unaffiliated/nu253r/x-0655220) |
| 02:48.05 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 02:48.34 | kruz | Darkelfjuggalo, If you want to be able to draw like in illustrator, look at InkScape |
| 02:48.49 | kruz | Darkelfjuggalo, as far as manipulating raster images, GIMP is going to be your best bet IMO. |
| 02:49.03 | freaky[t] | hi all. im getting: mysqldump: Got error: 1044: Access denied for user 'backup'@'localhost' to database 'information_schema' when using LOCK TABLES can anyone help me? the user backup HAS lock tables previleges. On Debian 6 |
| 02:49.11 | kruz | You can use Blender3D for 3D sculpting |
| 02:49.39 | somiaj | freaky[t]: has your user authenticated correctly, have you flused the tabel primissions since you gave him lock privalges? |
| 02:50.01 | kruz | information_schema is a database that the user probably doesn't have access to. |
| 02:50.14 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 02:50.32 | kruz | freaky[t], what's the command you are using to mysqldump? |
| 02:51.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok, a freind of mine is about 2 years into a bachelors in the major, and she has to do 4 different maps on everything... should i be able to use these programs for the maps that would be needed? |
| 02:51.11 | freaky[t] | somiaj i did using phpmyadmin so i think it did that |
| 02:51.34 | *** join/#debian ZitZ (~paul@h14.173.101.208.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 02:51.38 | freaky[t] | it worked before updating to debian 6 |
| 02:51.47 | *** join/#debian pullphing (pullphing@c-24-13-71-78.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 02:52.17 | kruz | freaky[t], make sure you are just dumping the database that you want. It sounds like phpmyadmin is trying to pull the information database too. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=information%20schema%20mysql&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdev.mysql.com%2Fdoc%2Frefman%2F5.0%2Fen%2Finformation-schema.html&ei=6ZwsT_jKIO7ksQLqrIy8Dg&usg=AFQjCNGDF6zYCsgtMhSYL70mQC48tXpyqg |
| 02:52.28 | nkuttler | Darkelfjuggalo: maps sound more like a vector drawing thing to me |
| 02:52.41 | freaky[t] | kruz wait im getting u the mysqldump command |
| 02:52.47 | kruz | Darkelfjuggalo, what format is the map in? |
| 02:52.59 | nkuttler | Darkelfjuggalo: you might get useful advice in channels like #design |
| 02:53.00 | kruz | freaky[t], okay. |
| 02:53.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | idk the terms yet, i pic up a bit here and there from her |
| 02:53.35 | freaky[t] | kruz mysqldump --opt -e -F -u$DBUSER -p$DBPW $i > /root/.mysqlbackup/`date +%Y%m%d`-DATABASE-$i.sql |
| 02:53.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | im checking with her on the map formats |
| 02:55.02 | *** join/#debian allan_wind (~allan@lifeintegrity.com) |
| 02:55.03 | Darkelfjuggalo | maps she has to do in the maya program are targa or tiff files |
| 02:56.15 | allan_wind | Hi guys... I need to upgrade a harddrive and don't want to go through a reinstall this time. clonezilla seems to be able to do. How would I go about booting multiple ISOs (including the clonezilla one) from a flash drive? |
| 02:57.11 | somiaj | allan_wind: what is on the hardrive you need to move over, do you have more than just a debian os? |
| 02:57.14 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 02:57.22 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 02:57.27 | kruz | freaky[t], I'm not too sure on all of the other flags. Normally when I dump a database I use : mysqldump $DATABASE -u$DBUSER -p$DBPASS > $DATABASE-`date +%Y%m%d`.sql |
| 02:57.45 | somiaj | allan_wind: because with rsync from a live image, you could just copy over the data, then fix grub and be running on the new drive with out using special software |
| 02:57.53 | allan_wind | allan_wind: laptop single 100gb drive that I need to replace with a 500gb; laptop only takes a single drive but I have usb drive around somewhere to store data on or other hosts |
| 02:58.45 | somiaj | allan_wind: can you get both the drives (source and dest) on the same computer even if it is a desktop or do you have to copy to the usb drive as a middle step? |
| 02:58.50 | allan_wind | allan_wind: duh... responded to myself, that was for somiaj. I don't have both drives live at the same time |
| 02:59.04 | freaky[t] | kruz what do u do if u want to backup all databases on your mysql server? |
| 02:59.20 | *** join/#debian chasckbv (~debian-b@190.167.30.217) |
| 02:59.35 | kruz | freaky[t], usually I use root ]: but that's cause I work for a webhosting company |
| 02:59.43 | somiaj | allan_wind: do you have windows or any other os besides debian you need to worry about? |
| 02:59.54 | freaky[t] | hm ok thanks |
| 02:59.59 | allan_wind | somiaj: hmm... what about firing up a live cd, tar'ing everything and store it somewhere (attached disk), swap drive, then boot live again and untar |
| 03:00.12 | allan_wind | somiaj: only debian |
| 03:00.28 | somiaj | allan_wind: that will work, though I prefer rsync. this is what i would do |
| 03:00.52 | allan_wind | allan_wind: how do I get a live 'cd' on a usb drive? |
| 03:00.59 | allan_wind | argh... tired, I guess. |
| 03:01.11 | somiaj | allan_wind: 1) boot up on a live image from live.debian.net, 2) mount any partition on your old drive and mount your usb drive (make sure your usb drive uses a unix file system such as ext2) |
| 03:01.33 | allan_wind | somiaj: and how do i do step 1)? |
| 03:01.34 | somiaj | allan_wind: 3) rsync the data onto the backup drive, 'rsync -av /path/to/root /path/to/backup' |
| 03:01.58 | somiaj | allan_wind: 4) do the process backwards to get the data back onto the new drive, 5) chroot into your new root partition and update-grub to install it into the mbr |
| 03:02.16 | somiaj | allan_wind: down load any of the isos (I suggest the lxde one but gnome, kde, xface are all good) |
| 03:02.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone here ever use backintime? |
| 03:02.35 | allan_wind | allan_wind: and how do I go from an iso to a bootable usb drive? |
| 03:02.41 | somiaj | allan_wind: cat or dd the image onto your usb. 'dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sd?' where ? is the device of your usb stick |
| 03:02.52 | *** join/#debian culpower (~culpower@75-161-172-241.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 03:02.56 | somiaj | allan_wind: note this will wipe the partition table and any data on that stick |
| 03:03.16 | allan_wind | somiaj: any way to keep the drive usable for other things? I only have a 32gb drive available and seems kinda of a waste |
| 03:03.54 | somiaj | allan_wind: if your computer supports it (most modern ones do) grab a hdd-usb image, After you write the image to the drive it creates a single partition, and leaves the rest of the drive blank |
| 03:04.11 | *** join/#debian chasckbv_ (~debian-b@190.167.30.217) |
| 03:04.21 | somiaj | allan_wind: from there you can make a second partion on the drive and put a file system on it. Note you will hae to backup any data on the drive before you do this, but you can make it so the rest of the drive can be used for something else |
| 03:04.43 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 03:05.19 | allan_wind | somiaj: so dd the hdd-usb image to usb drive, first it up, partition the rest? is there anything that can do fat32 partitions on that live cd? |
| 03:05.32 | allan_wind | s/first/fire/ |
| 03:05.55 | somiaj | allan_wind: there are dosfsutils to mess with fat32, but one thing is you won't be able to use a fat32 filesystem to backup your install too |
| 03:06.30 | somiaj | allan_wind: because that file system doesn't support unix file permissions, you have to have a unix file system to use this method (though you could try and tar, but fat32 as a file size limit so if your tar is bigger than a few gigs this won't work either) |
| 03:06.48 | allan_wind | somiaj: ..,. yeah, if you use tar I could though |
| 03:06.50 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 03:07.11 | somiaj | allan_wind: I'd suggest writing a file system inside a file, but still you will be stuck with the 2gig or so file size limit on fat32 |
| 03:07.26 | allan_wind | somiaj: might just put ext4 on there anyways. awesome, that was very helpful |
| 03:09.18 | somiaj | allan_wind: ext2 may be good enough if you don't need jourling |
| 03:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1160] by debhelper |
| 03:11.09 | *** join/#debian shogunx (~shogunx@rrcs-67-79-182-232.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 03:14.48 | el_seano | hey #debian: mutt or sup? |
| 03:15.16 | allan_wind | el_seano: sup is dead (and too buggy for me to even start using) |
| 03:16.20 | el_seano | ah, man, really? |
| 03:16.25 | el_seano | it sounded really promising. |
| 03:16.37 | el_seano | is sick and tired of thunderbird/icedove |
| 03:16.56 | el_seano | mutt seems like a can of worms though, so I'm digging for excuses to not have to learn it. |
| 03:17.17 | allan_wind | el_seano: yeah, they are working on some rewrite with grander vision. mutt is really very good. there is a mutt + notmuch merge but old version of notmuch |
| 03:17.34 | somiaj | el_seano: mutt is very nice and powerful, but many don't like cli applications and config files |
| 03:17.59 | somiaj | el_seano: what about ecllipse, can't really think of other email clients, I use mutt on my server and icedove on my home machine witn no complaints |
| 03:18.15 | *** join/#debian un214 (~un214@adsl-75-45-4-106.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:18.26 | *** join/#debian fisted (~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 03:19.16 | *** join/#debian raphaelt (~Raphaelt@ret08-1-88-182-200-157.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 03:20.46 | *** join/#debian ploo (~lbz@c-71-196-252-82.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 03:21.12 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 03:21.37 | *** join/#debian lcafiero_ (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:21.57 | el_seano | somiaj: I've been using thunderbird/icedove for quite a while now, and I'm just kind of sick of it. I generally live in the console, and it would be nice to keep a mua parked on one of my servers. |
| 03:22.13 | el_seano | when possible, I tend to prefer console applications. |
| 03:22.40 | somiaj | mutt is a really nice application, defaults are simple and work, and with a correct config you can get a lot from it |
| 03:22.46 | somiaj | problem is writing the config file to suit your needs |
| 03:22.59 | el_seano | yeah, I'm reading up on how to add multiple imap accounts |
| 03:23.55 | allan_wind | el_seano: you are better off using another app to download your email (at least if you have a lot of email) than using mutt as a imap client |
| 03:24.41 | somiaj | fetchmail is good at that, then it just pulls email from all your servers and puts it on your local machine from there you just have mutt connenct to the local machine and sort |
| 03:25.17 | *** join/#debian trbs (~trbs@2001:470:d2ad:1:4a5b:39ff:fe7d:1623) |
| 03:25.35 | allan_wind | el_seano: getmail4 is slow, offlineimap (at least bleeding edge with idle support and sqlite backend) is unstable and lost mail |
| 03:25.44 | el_seano | see, my setup right now is procmail on one mail server and maildrop on another. I tend to access my e-mail from multiple machines, and I get a lot of it, so IMAP is really preferable for me right now. |
| 03:25.50 | *** join/#debian th0r (~th0r@adsl-070-147-061-228.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:25.58 | el_seano | allan_wind: gah! That's discouraging. |
| 03:26.13 | allan_wind | el_seano: fetchmail is fine, it just doesn't do a two way sync |
| 03:26.25 | el_seano | hmm... |
| 03:26.48 | el_seano | I could always just write a script to launch a screen session with two mutts pointed in different directions. |
| 03:27.51 | *** join/#debian Commander1024_ (~Commander@ip-109-91-237-97.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 03:28.09 | allan_wind | el_seano: you can absolutely use imap it's just the sync back to the imap server that is an issue. don't write off offlineimap... I had a lot of mail that I wanted to sync and wanted bleeding edge (from git) to get idle support and sqlite backend for speed (lot of mail as in years; 700k messages) |
| 03:28.41 | allan_wind | el_seano: the only other thing that I know of in debian is isync which I just about to test |
| 03:29.27 | allan_wind | el_seano: here's the imap config you need for mutt if you want to try it out (# is comments so obviously you want to remove those): |
| 03:29.29 | allan_wind | #set imap_user=allan |
| 03:29.29 | allan_wind | #set imap_pass='...' |
| 03:29.29 | allan_wind | #set folder='imaps://imaps.lifeintegrity.com' |
| 03:29.29 | allan_wind | #set spoolfile='imaps://imaps.lifeintegrity.com/INBOX' |
| 03:29.29 | *** kick/#debian [allan_wind!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
| 03:29.39 | *** join/#debian allan_wind (~allan@lifeintegrity.com) |
| 03:30.19 | *** join/#debian lenswipe (~robert@95.146.90.125) |
| 03:30.26 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:30.36 | lenswipe | can someone help me with something? |
| 03:30.46 | lenswipe | i installed netbeans on my squeeze box and its disappeared |
| 03:30.54 | lenswipe | locate finds nothing, neither does whereis or find |
| 03:31.13 | lenswipe | and yet i cant re-install because the netbeans installer says "All the components are installed, please click cancel" |
| 03:31.22 | allan_wind | el_seano: <http://paste.debian.net/154763/> |
| 03:31.45 | allan_wind | lenswipe: how do you install it? |
| 03:31.52 | LtL | lenswipe: updatedb ? |
| 03:32.15 | lenswipe | allan_wind, i downloaded the .sh script from netbeans.org and ran it as root to install it on the whole system rather than just for me as i always do |
| 03:32.29 | lenswipe | allan_wind, as for where i installed it to, i cant remember |
| 03:32.33 | lenswipe | LtL, ? |
| 03:32.52 | lenswipe | allan_wind, i generally dont take note of these things because this generally doesnt happen :p |
| 03:32.56 | kruz | lenswipe, locate works off a db, updatedb will update it |
| 03:32.57 | *** join/#debian ReTFEF (JS@cpe-173-88-110-115.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 03:32.57 | *** join/#debian ReTFEF (JS@unaffiliated/thetfef) |
| 03:33.02 | LtL | lenswipe: run updatedb, see if it shows up after that |
| 03:33.14 | lenswipe | LtL, updatedb: can not open a temporary file for `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db' |
| 03:33.44 | LtL | lenswipe: log out/in |
| 03:33.50 | allan_wind | lenswipe: if your system is not too huge find / -ctime -3 (or however many days ago since you installed it) should find it |
| 03:33.53 | lenswipe | i did it as root |
| 03:34.11 | lenswipe | LtL, i ran updatedb with sud |
| 03:34.14 | lenswipe | sudo* |
| 03:35.24 | *** join/#debian gary_golden (~gg@33-5-191-213.fttb.ur.ru) |
| 03:35.51 | LtL | lenswipe: that shouldn't matter I don't think. reboot as last resort or kill the process using that file, lsof |
| 03:36.09 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 03:36.15 | lenswipe | locate seemed to work this time |
| 03:36.42 | LtL | lenswipe: it just took time |
| 03:36.51 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 03:36.52 | allan_wind | lenswipe: /opt? |
| 03:36.54 | lenswipe | LtL, yep |
| 03:36.56 | lenswipe | allan_wind, ? |
| 03:37.07 | lenswipe | /usr/local/netbeans7.1/ |
| 03:37.17 | lenswipe | ill just make a launcher now |
| 03:37.18 | allan_wind | lenswipe: ah.. that would have been my 2nd guess |
| 03:37.21 | lenswipe | by the way guys |
| 03:37.27 | lenswipe | i have 1 HDD in my machine |
| 03:37.34 | lenswipe | its a 1TB HDD configured with encrypted LVM |
| 03:37.45 | *** join/#debian daemonkeeper (~Arno@unaffiliated/metalfoo) |
| 03:37.55 | lenswipe | why do i see "Filesystem" and "1000GB Unrecognised" in "Computer" |
| 03:38.32 | lenswipe | if i try and mount "1000GB Unrecognised" i get an error box saying: "One or more block devices are holding /dev/dm-0" |
| 03:38.47 | allan_wind | lenswipe: probably the encrypted piece and whatever presents the info in 'Computer' look on the disk to figure out what it is |
| 03:38.51 | lenswipe | its not impairing the operation of the machine in anyway |
| 03:38.53 | lenswipe | its just puzzling |
| 03:38.54 | lenswipe | allan_wind, i cant |
| 03:38.57 | lenswipe | see above |
| 03:39.25 | lenswipe | the whole disk is encrypted, there isnt an "encrypted peice" |
| 03:39.29 | LtL | lenswipe: take a look at 'df -h' |
| 03:39.31 | *** join/#debian daniel-s (~daniel-s@CPE-58-161-122-154.okql1.lon.bigpond.net.au) |
| 03:39.35 | lenswipe | it asks me for my decrypt passphrase at boot |
| 03:39.37 | lenswipe | ok |
| 03:40.03 | lenswipe | LtL, http://pastebin.com/FncKYRuA |
| 03:40.11 | allan_wind | lenswipe: you are seeing your current file system |
| 03:40.20 | lenswipe | allan_wind, what do you mean? |
| 03:40.33 | *** join/#debian Iridos (~boo@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 03:40.54 | allan_wind | lenswipe: you said you had 1 tb drive, right? The thing you are seeing is the same drive. It both a physical drive, and a md drive that is encrypted |
| 03:41.29 | kruz | general question for everyone. What do you guys use for sound? I've got alsa configured right now, but only 1 device can output to my USB device. |
| 03:41.44 | allan_wind | kruz: pulseaudio will take care of that |
| 03:42.04 | kruz | allan_wind, I know, I had a bad taste from the time I used ubuntu and pulseaudio was crap. that was at least 3 years ago though |
| 03:42.07 | allan_wind | kruz: you can also ask alsa to mix for you, but I found it to be very noise (poor quality) |
| 03:42.17 | allan_wind | kruz: it's good now (imho) |
| 03:42.26 | kruz | allan_wind, I'll try it. Thanks |
| 03:42.39 | allan_wind | kruz: pulse -> alsa |
| 03:42.55 | allan_wind | (alsa -> hardware) |
| 03:43.26 | lenswipe | allan_wind, so im seeing it unencrypted "File System" and encrypted "1000GB Unrecognised" |
| 03:43.31 | lenswipe | is that it? |
| 03:44.03 | LtL | lenswipe: I think that's the reason, yes |
| 03:44.27 | lenswipe | ok |
| 03:44.30 | LtL | lenswipe: although I've used encrypted fs |
| 03:44.36 | somiaj | dmix is decent on some sound cards but not on others, I just wish it wasn't such a pita to configure, if you need a configuation other than the defults. |
| 03:44.38 | lenswipe | LtL, do you know where i could go about finding the netbeans icon for th elauncher? |
| 03:44.38 | LtL | lenswipe: although I've never used encrypted fs |
| 03:44.43 | allan_wind | lenswipe: the drive is /dev/something, it sounds like you have that configured as md/lvm which means it is also a /dev/md$number |
| 03:44.50 | lenswipe | ok |
| 03:45.06 | allan_wind | somiaj: yeah, dmix was crap for me |
| 03:45.19 | LtL | lenswipe: it may have installed the icon in /usr/share/icons/ |
| 03:45.25 | lenswipe | k |
| 03:46.04 | somiaj | allan_wind: it works great on my laptop default settings for an intel hda chipset. But if I change my default sound card to hdmi when its pluged into a tv, I loose dmix on both devices, and couldn't ever figure out a nice configuration to switch between the two. |
| 03:46.22 | Kunda | anyone configure postfix here on debian with virtual address maps (postfix as a relay, doesn't store email on the server) ? |
| 03:46.28 | allan_wind | somiaj: I got an external usb audio interface, been in sound heaven since... not even that expensive |
| 03:46.31 | LtL | lenswipe: you may want to guess the name and use the find command,there's a lot of icons in there. |
| 03:46.55 | LtL | lenswipe: wildcards are your friend. |
| 03:46.56 | allan_wind | Kunda: yeah |
| 03:47.01 | lenswipe | LtL, i used "locate netbeans | grep ".png" " |
| 03:47.11 | lenswipe | found it straight away :) |
| 03:47.12 | kruz | lenswipe, worse case scenario, download an icon from the web (; |
| 03:47.28 | Kunda | allan_wind, does it work with vhosts emails ? |
| 03:47.29 | lenswipe | kruz, ^ |
| 03:47.40 | allan_wind | Kunda: yes, it does |
| 03:48.00 | Kunda | oh, you don't know how happy that makes me |
| 03:48.01 | somiaj | allan_wind: on my desktop I have been using the same sblive since 1998, card is wonderful, sure do love hardware mixing. |
| 03:48.01 | LtL | lenswipe: more like find /usr/share/icons/ -iname '*beans*' # i think thats correct syntax |
| 03:48.31 | Kunda | allan_wind, can i ask you some questions about that ? |
| 03:48.36 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 03:48.44 | allan_wind | Kunda: I have only have a partial config of what you are trying to do, but maybe a start. /etc/postfix/main.cf: virtual_alias_maps = cdb:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias |
| 03:48.53 | lenswipe | LtL, mine worked so... :) |
| 03:49.08 | LtL | lenswipe: cool, cheers! |
| 03:49.20 | lenswipe | :) |
| 03:49.28 | allan_wind | Kunda: then virtual_aliases something like: domain: anything\nabc@something: def@something_else |
| 03:49.28 | lenswipe | thanks guys :D |
| 03:49.35 | *** join/#debian valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 03:49.52 | allan_wind | Kunda: postfix site has good docs, just need a while to figure out what it really means |
| 03:50.28 | Kunda | allan_wind, /etc/postfix/main.cf: virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual |
| 03:51.00 | Kunda | yea..i have that virtual file set up as well.. |
| 03:51.09 | allan_wind | Kunda: hash is fine too, cdb is just faster. and for hash you need to do postmap to create the .db |
| 03:51.18 | *** join/#debian Guest8383 (~Geek@41.141.252.98) |
| 03:51.32 | Kunda | allan_wind: i know this because I can get my FQDN mail to relay. But if i send to a vhost, it automatically rejects |
| 03:52.00 | allan_wind | Kunda: what's the mail.info line? |
| 03:52.31 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 03:52.54 | *** join/#debian unseensoul (~animainvi@a79-169-152-46.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 03:53.15 | Kunda | allan_wind, i'll find it for you in a moment |
| 03:53.39 | allan_wind | Kunda: make sure you have the just $somedomain: anything in your hash. anything can be anything but $somdomain is what you are trying to alias for |
| 03:54.10 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 03:54.41 | *** join/#debian yodaboy22 (~pocketirc@184.239.147.61) |
| 03:55.20 | *** join/#debian D-Boy (~Geek@unaffiliated/cain) |
| 04:01.51 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 04:02.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | If i ever had a notion to return to Windows... #Design reminded me why i left... |
| 04:02.36 | kruz | lol |
| 04:03.20 | yodaboy22 | Darkelfjuggalo: is there a reason why you don't need windows at all? |
| 04:03.29 | yodaboy22 | I mean, do you just browse internet |
| 04:03.35 | yodaboy22 | not needing extra software |
| 04:03.50 | unseensoul | The volume applet on the top right corner of the panel in Gnome 3 disappeared after I upgraded it. How can I get it back? |
| 04:03.53 | kruz | Darkelfjuggalo, I only use Windows for Gaming. Not all of the games I like to play run well on GNU/Linux. Right now for instance I have this annoying bug. If I play WOW on -opengl it won't connect with the network. if I run it with Direct3d/DirectX it will run but I can't see most of the graphics. |
| 04:03.53 | *** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug) |
| 04:04.24 | *** join/#debian TasteOfDeath (~tod@i59F4C3BA.versanet.de) |
| 04:04.38 | Darkelfjuggalo | Last windows machine I used i spent 6 or so months having to use safe mode becuase regular mode wouldnt open, and this is with up to date Virus portection |
| 04:06.20 | Darkelfjuggalo | i actually had to have HP take remote access day 2 od having it becuase everything locked up just logging in to facebook and my Yahoo email[no emails to read when i got in] |
| 04:06.52 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 04:07.58 | *** join/#debian jello (~joe@debian/developer/jello) |
| 04:11.06 | allan_wind | Last version of windows I used was 3.51 and it blue screened on very first boot :-) |
| 04:11.29 | *** join/#debian jschall (~quassel@208-53-70-85.portola.ca.digitalpath.net) |
| 04:11.40 | yodaboy22 | I find Windows incredibly useful for the variety of applications it has |
| 04:12.03 | yodaboy22 | but I want to stick with Linux primarily |
| 04:12.11 | yodaboy22 | because i rarely use those programs |
| 04:12.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | Those applications would be better on a Linux itstead of having to use 3rd party software to mimic it or wine to make it transition better |
| 04:13.25 | yodaboy22 | Darkelfjuggolo: but remember that about 1% of pc users are linux users |
| 04:13.33 | yodaboy22 | so software for linux is rarer |
| 04:13.40 | *** join/#debian noahfx_ (~noahfx@190.148.122.229) |
| 04:13.57 | kruz | yodaboy22, that's changing with all of the android users (: |
| 04:13.58 | *** join/#debian xaitax (~xaitax@p4FDD6790.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:13.58 | *** join/#debian xaitax (~xaitax@pdpc/supporter/student/xaitax) |
| 04:15.05 | *** join/#debian kleanchap_ (~kleanchap@p5B118E5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:15.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | Andriod is based off the linux foundation isn't it? |
| 04:15.40 | *** join/#debian MmikeDOMA (~msplival@cpe-188-129-105-118.dynamic.amis.hr) |
| 04:16.23 | Hydroxide | Darkelfjuggalo: android is based on linux, yes, but with enough differences outside the most core components that android software and other linux software are almost entirely separate |
| 04:17.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | yeah... it's primarily for mobile use, but i beleive the ChromeBook Laptop uses a Desktop version of the Andriod OS, doesn't it? |
| 04:18.50 | *** join/#debian helpless (~jotham@unaffiliated/jotham) |
| 04:19.00 | helpless | any idea why my usb drives aren't automounting? mount -a works fine, and my fstab has /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb ext3 rw,auto 0 0 in it |
| 04:22.02 | *** join/#debian metap0d (~rantic@unaffiliated/metap0d) |
| 04:22.21 | ploo | whats the best way to encrypt your fs on debian? |
| 04:22.38 | allan_wind | helpless: auto mount usb is black magic as far as I am concerned. udisks is what I did to get it working I think |
| 04:23.07 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 04:24.56 | Hydroxide | heh, am going to add amavis+clamav+spamassassin now. why now. :) |
| 04:24.58 | Hydroxide | err, wrong window |
| 04:25.06 | Hydroxide | (and typo) |
| 04:25.39 | *** join/#debian zaki (~guest@93.98.105.182) |
| 04:26.06 | *** join/#debian Shirakawasuna (~Shirakawa@67-40-10-91.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 04:26.57 | metap0d | Hi everyone, I'm trying to follow this short bumblee tutorial (http://suwako.nomanga.net/) but the first step keeps failing on me with (http://pastebin.com/YZRvuxTa) any ideas? |
| 04:28.01 | allan_wind | metaph0d: does `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' exist? |
| 04:28.27 | *** join/#debian jschall (~quassel@208-53-70-85.portola.ca.digitalpath.net) |
| 04:28.28 | metap0d | yep |
| 04:28.48 | allan_wind | metap0d: ah... you need to run apt-get as sudo |
| 04:28.57 | allan_wind | apt-key even |
| 04:29.08 | allan_wind | metap0d: .. sudo apt-get add - |
| 04:29.21 | allan_wind | wget doesn't have to run at root with sudo |
| 04:30.12 | metap0d | allan_wind, I'm really really new to this ... I tried to run sudo apt-get add - but it says "E: Invalid operation add" |
| 04:30.38 | allan_wind | my bad... apt-key not apt-get |
| 04:30.48 | allan_wind | (my keys are spell correcting) |
| 04:31.15 | *** part/#debian Darkelfjuggalo (~darkelfju@64.134.31.26) |
| 04:31.19 | allan_wind | metap0d: wget -O - http://suwako.nomanga.net/suwako.asc |sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:31.25 | *** join/#debian kevlarman (~kevlarman@lt3.astro.Princeton.EDU) |
| 04:32.55 | *** join/#debian kevlarman (~kevlarman@tremulous/officialdevannoyer/kevlarman) |
| 04:33.27 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 04:35.27 | metap0d | allan_wind, That fixed it : ) I got past the step about updating my sources.list and issued a sudo apt-get update without any errors |
| 04:35.50 | allan_wind | metap0d: I got lucky this time I guess :-) |
| 04:35.55 | *** join/#debian binaryhat (~binaryhat@c-69-180-111-78.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 04:36.09 | metap0d | however the apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia says: http://pastebin.com/21y3bNH9 -- haha : ( |
| 04:37.20 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 04:38.47 | allan_wind | sorry, can't help you with that one |
| 04:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1154] by debhelper |
| 04:42.04 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (~Rusty1@cpe-74-70-66-191.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 04:45.05 | metap0d | hm |
| 04:46.32 | *** join/#debian sterNiX (~LessIsMor@unaffiliated/nu253r/x-0655220) |
| 04:48.06 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 04:50.35 | *** join/#debian arvind_k (~arvind@117.192.209.207) |
| 04:50.40 | *** join/#debian Mac102 (~Mac@host109-154-112-103.range109-154.btcentralplus.com) |
| 04:51.28 | *** join/#debian osdearia (~mizerydea@cpe-65-30-35-48.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 04:51.49 | *** join/#debian arvind_k (~arvind@117.192.209.207) |
| 04:54.04 | *** join/#debian basso (~quassel@pc5103.stdby.hin.no) |
| 04:54.26 | basso | hello! |
| 04:54.51 | basso | i have a strange plan on getting debian 6 running on my laptop, but i need a never kernel to get ethernet working |
| 04:54.54 | *** join/#debian krisfremen (~Kris@unaffiliated/krisfremen) |
| 04:55.00 | *** join/#debian LordTrev (~levi@cpe-66-25-253-171.gt.res.rr.com) |
| 04:55.01 | basso | where can i find deb packages for never kernels? |
| 04:55.39 | allan_wind | basso: you can install kernels from source kernel.org, however are you trying to just get going? Then maybe an unstable iso is what you really need |
| 04:56.43 | basso | allan_wind: unstable sounds too scary for me, how can i install from source when i have no internet? :P |
| 04:57.14 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 04:57.15 | allan_wind | allan_wind: download to usb, cd when you have internet |
| 04:57.34 | basso | ah wait i can use a tarball |
| 04:57.42 | allan_wind | basso: yeah, sure |
| 04:58.56 | basso | that would probably not work when i think about.. i most likely would need some packages to be able to compile the kernel |
| 04:59.26 | allan_wind | basso: what image did you dl and try to boot from? |
| 05:00.05 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 05:00.45 | basso | allan_wind: i havent tried yet, but i do know with "stable" i dont have any ethernet, thats why im trying to figure out how to get a new kernel. Then i could just install with DVD and include newer kernel debs in a usb |
| 05:01.27 | allan_wind | basso: not sure if netinstall has everything you need, but the complete image might |
| 05:01.40 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philipbal@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 05:01.50 | basso | allan_wind: no, it has a too old kernel for my network card, its not supported in the stock kernel |
| 05:02.13 | basso | i need to find debian kernel .debs |
| 05:02.39 | jello | basso: if you have windows on the machine, you could try the win32-installer |
| 05:02.42 | allan_wind | basso: you are on the internet now, use that computer to download full iso, and a newer kernel from kernel.org. boot on iso, get machine running, now compile kernel that you donlwnloaded |
| 05:02.52 | jello | basso: experimental has newer kernels |
| 05:03.05 | allan_wind | basso: I don't know if there is newer kernels if you want to want to stay on stable |
| 05:03.11 | jello | you should be able to add them to your install media |
| 05:03.13 | allan_wind | (as debs) |
| 05:05.41 | jello | http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64_3.2.2-1_amd64.deb |
| 05:06.27 | jello | basso: that url is the latest kernel from sid |
| 05:07.27 | basso | uhhhh |
| 05:07.34 | basso | this might work! |
| 05:08.57 | *** join/#debian mr-satan (~androirc@184-77-113-49.war.clearwire-wmx.net) |
| 05:09.38 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@unaffiliated/thecoffemaker) |
| 05:12.33 | *** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@123.116.122.197) |
| 05:12.38 | *** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157) |
| 05:12.44 | basso | will do a dvd install, then install the new kernel |
| 05:12.49 | basso | and bang, i get interwebs! |
| 05:13.47 | *** part/#debian allan_wind (~allan@lifeintegrity.com) |
| 05:15.38 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@0209ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 05:15.38 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@unaffiliated/vooze) |
| 05:16.05 | *** join/#debian clone_of_saturn (~visitant@c-75-72-240-113.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 05:17.09 | clone_of_saturn | has anyone successfully installed gnome3 inside a chroot? |
| 05:20.33 | *** part/#debian pullphing (pullphing@c-24-13-71-78.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 05:22.52 | clone_of_saturn | i thought i'd check it out in a vm, but that doesn't support opengl so you just get the horrible "fallback" system |
| 05:23.30 | *** join/#debian laodie (~user@pool-72-87-186-246.lsanca.btas.verizon.net) |
| 05:24.14 | nsadmin | with horrible fallback you can hurt your head |
| 05:25.24 | clone_of_saturn | actually it DID hurt my head |
| 05:27.37 | *** join/#debian BlastHardcheese (chris@pool-108-38-184-177.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:27.38 | *** join/#debian BlastHardcheese (chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese) |
| 05:28.47 | *** join/#debian CoolDuke (~CoolDuke@i59F704CE.versanet.de) |
| 05:29.32 | *** join/#debian locojay_ (~locojay@s15433397.onlinehome-server.info) |
| 05:30.00 | *** part/#debian laodie (~user@pool-72-87-186-246.lsanca.btas.verizon.net) |
| 05:30.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1147] by debhelper |
| 05:30.25 | *** join/#debian bsytko (~bsytko@c-67-162-211-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:35.36 | *** join/#debian Kaede (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede) |
| 05:37.04 | *** join/#debian soya (~user@61.131.73.10) |
| 05:39.38 | *** join/#debian mah454 (~mah454@95.82.59.250) |
| 05:40.23 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 05:43.02 | *** join/#debian CarlyShae (4c1450c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.20.80.193) |
| 05:43.47 | *** join/#debian ianthius__ (ianthius@y0u.co.cc) |
| 05:43.52 | ploo | how do I switch squeeze over to unstable/sid? |
| 05:44.19 | CarlyShae | i am trying to create a public accessible folder in debian 5.0.9 and need to know how and where to do it |
| 05:44.24 | *** join/#debian jokar (~mohsen@188.75.84.162) |
| 05:44.44 | *** join/#debian prbz_ (~prebz@c83-254-51-59.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 05:44.47 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.245.141) |
| 05:46.05 | CarlyShae | anyone know this one? |
| 05:47.08 | CarlyShae | i am trying to create a public accessible folder in debian 5.0.9 and need to know how and where to do it |
| 05:47.12 | p_quarles | CarlyShae: how public? |
| 05:47.56 | CarlyShae | for those with login rightsd to the local box and/or network |
| 05:48.01 | *** join/#debian handygandy (~handygand@76.193.165.222) |
| 05:49.36 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 05:49.42 | somiaj | CarlyShae: one approach I do is make a dir like /home/users -- then create a group that has ownership of that dir. From there chmod 1775 /home/users [this gives the group write permissions with the sticky bit], that is for someone who loged onto that box. If you need it across multple machines set up a nfs/cifs network mount |
| 05:49.50 | p_quarles | CarlyShae: for the local box, you would need to set read and execute permissions to "all'; also set write permissions to "all" if you want everyone to be able to edit content as well; for the network, it probably depends on what other OSes are on the net |
| 05:50.18 | *** part/#debian ianthius_ (ianthius@y0u.co.cc) |
| 05:51.15 | CarlyShae | thanks p_quarles, where would be a good place on the disk to put such a folder? |
| 05:51.42 | p_quarles | CarlyShae: like somiaj suggested, in a new folder in /home |
| 05:52.07 | *** join/#debian mrmowgli (~andre@c-71-198-142-25.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:52.32 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@117.192.203.154) |
| 05:52.37 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 05:53.16 | CarlyShae | OK, can someone tell me procedure to do this in kde 3.5 or gnome? |
| 05:53.26 | mrmowgli | Anyone now how to start up networking from single user (Safe) mode? |
| 05:53.32 | somiaj | note the sticky bit is nice, what this does is files in the dir will start to appear with the user who wrote them owning them. This way users own files they can write to and erase, but the sticky bit will prevent users from deleteing other users file |
| 05:53.44 | *** join/#debian amphi (~amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) |
| 05:55.11 | *** join/#debian Rosha (~rosha@89.165.109.139) |
| 05:55.39 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 05:55.46 | CarlyShae | OK all let me logout, try thids on the box and if all elsw fales come back for more help... thanks again everyone for the assist! |
| 05:56.29 | p_quarles | mrmowgli: /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 05:56.58 | nsadmin | misread that as stinky bit |
| 05:57.07 | mrmowgli | p_quarles: that only starts the networking deamon, but doesn't do network device discovery, nor does it start up dhclient on my box |
| 05:57.32 | *** join/#debian xConMz (~xConMz@static.ghost.cjmz.eu) |
| 05:58.21 | somiaj | mrmowgli: you are thinking of network-manager, that brings up devices by the interfaces file. Do you have to modprove the actual modules then use ifconfig or the interfaces file to bring them up manually? |
| 05:58.21 | mrmowgli | Perhaps it is designed to keep me from loading those, but rebooting into normal kernel mode gets me an invalid xorg conf and no root console logins |
| 05:58.35 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 05:58.35 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 05:58.57 | somiaj | mrmowgli: (echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager) should prevent a dm from starting and get you to a console |
| 05:59.11 | mrmowgli | somiaj: ah that'll do it |
| 05:59.56 | *** join/#debian burnettj-hm (~burnettj@99-165-53-105.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:00.56 | ploo | I switched my sources.list to unstable and then did an update and dist-upgrade and get an error on libwmf0.2-7_0.2.8.4-10_amd64.deb |
| 06:01.01 | ploo | any ideas? |
| 06:01.29 | somiaj | yes, sounds like you shouldn't be running unstable. check the bts, try to read the error and fix ityourself |
| 06:01.32 | somiaj | !sid |
| 06:01.32 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 06:04.41 | *** join/#debian bwana147 (~cbouvi@82.101.21.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 06:05.47 | clone_of_saturn | you mean i don't get to keep the pieces when stable breaks? |
| 06:05.48 | *** join/#debian sauvin (~sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin) |
| 06:05.48 | *** join/#debian Ninkasi (~Kt@zimbra.imrua.org) |
| 06:05.51 | *** join/#debian luappnorr (~chatzilla@71-38-157-163.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 06:06.34 | p_quarles | you do, but people are more inclined to help you put them back together |
| 06:06.57 | MrFrood | clone_of_saturn: stable does break unless you apply a very big sledghammer ;) |
| 06:07.22 | MrFrood | "dose not" |
| 06:07.35 | somiaj | usually stable breaks when people install something from outsid of stable with no stable sources |
| 06:08.04 | somiaj | or outside of |
| 06:08.13 | p_quarles | I've been using Stable since Etch, and I can't think of any time something just randomly broke on me |
| 06:08.45 | *** join/#debian lcafiero (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:09.08 | MrFrood | both etch had issues with changing the lacale settings |
| 06:09.29 | MrFrood | s/both// |
| 06:09.41 | *** join/#debian snozek (~szonek@unaffiliated/szonek) |
| 06:09.47 | snozek | hi |
| 06:09.52 | mrmowgli | So why does the upgrade to kernel 3.x restrict firmware updates to nouveau? |
| 06:10.39 | *** join/#debian Rosha (~rosha@89.165.109.139) |
| 06:10.58 | snozek | is it safe to move /lib/module/`uname -r` to different folder in order to make space for new kernel? |
| 06:11.19 | snozek | i don't have enough space to have two sets of modules |
| 06:11.24 | somiaj | do you not have enough space on your partition to just install a new kernel snozek |
| 06:11.34 | snozek | nope |
| 06:11.45 | somiaj | it would be better to just remove old kernels, don't want kernsl you can boot up on your system with out their module tree, makes the kernel not function |
| 06:12.11 | snozek | i know |
| 06:12.26 | snozek | but i only have current kernel installed |
| 06:12.31 | snozek | and want to update to new one |
| 06:12.34 | somiaj | snozek: biggest issue is if you do that, try and reboot off the new kernel and it fails, you don't have a fall back since you are missing the module tree |
| 06:13.03 | snozek | somiaj: i can move back the modules folder |
| 06:13.20 | snozek | but if it's the biggest issue than i can handle that :) |
| 06:13.36 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to find out how risky it is to enable java script in iceweasel? |
| 06:13.46 | somiaj | you may need a live system to do that though, not sure if missing those modules will cause a panic or the kernel to not boot correctly |
| 06:13.46 | mrmowgli | define risky |
| 06:13.56 | mrmowgli | do you also have flash installed? |
| 06:14.03 | kingsley | For example, is have firefox's developers written a web page defining the risk? |
| 06:14.38 | mrmowgli | javascript by itself isn't really risky, flash is |
| 06:15.00 | mrmowgli | cross site scripting is risky, but most sites won't function without some javascript |
| 06:15.37 | kingsley | mrmowgli: That's a fair request. By "risky", I was alluding to java script letting malicious authors deliver scripts to run on a client computer via the web. |
| 06:15.39 | *** part/#debian helpless (~jotham@unaffiliated/jotham) |
| 06:15.54 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 06:15.59 | mrmowgli | so really make sure you pay attention where you go, and perhaps create different profiles in Firefox one with JS enabled one without |
| 06:16.12 | *** join/#debian s3phir0th115 (~s3phir0th@pool-72-66-229-252.ronkva.east.verizon.net) |
| 06:17.00 | kingsley | wonders if firefox's developers have written a web page defining the risk. |
| 06:17.17 | mrmowgli | Most JS engines are very safe now a days, so payloads for bad stuff are aimed at the browser itself, or flash |
| 06:17.47 | *** join/#debian LordTrev (~levi@cpe-66-25-252-49.gt.res.rr.com) |
| 06:18.54 | mrmowgli | kingsley: do a search for "cross site scripting" and read up on it |
| 06:19.02 | *** part/#debian mrmowgli (~andre@c-71-198-142-25.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:20.06 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 06:22.26 | *** join/#debian r4co0n (~r4co0n@ip-90-186-176-92.web.vodafone.de) |
| 06:23.31 | *** join/#debian Flechmen_disconn (flechmen@66.85.155.60) |
| 06:24.50 | *** join/#debian Rosha_ (~rosha@89.165.109.139) |
| 06:26.51 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 06:27.30 | *** join/#debian lampe2 (~micha@f054143131.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 06:28.04 | lampe2 | hey i got a problem with dspam it ads something like this to every email: !DSPAM:4f2ccf6541211465223968! how can i change this ? |
| 06:30.09 | *** join/#debian Rosha__ (~rosha@89.165.109.139) |
| 06:32.15 | *** join/#debian gartt (~gart@ip68-0-204-106.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 06:33.26 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|2 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:700e:a17b:4ac:e079) |
| 06:33.28 | simonlnu | i guess he realised it was a dumb question ;) |
| 06:34.32 | *** join/#debian Rosha__ (~rosha@89.165.109.139) |
| 06:34.59 | kingsley | I'm happy to report that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Security says "Firefox uses a sandbox security model, and limits scripts from accessing data from other web sites based on the same origin policy." |
| 06:36.04 | simonlnu | yes |
| 06:36.25 | *** join/#debian CoilDomain (~jasonruiz@pool-173-65-93-96.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:36.50 | *** join/#debian jetblack (~jetblack@99-32-20-118.uvs.evtnil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:36.57 | *** join/#debian philipballew (~philipbal@ubuntu/member/philipballew) |
| 06:38.50 | *** join/#debian Rosha__ (~rosha@89.165.109.139) |
| 06:44.16 | *** join/#debian MisterFluffy (~MisterFlu@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 06:45.44 | *** join/#debian lostson (~lostson@cpe-107-10-102-196.new.res.rr.com) |
| 06:45.45 | *** join/#debian rmrf (~rmrf@183.81.16.231) |
| 06:47.46 | *** join/#debian Kakadu (~kakadu@217.71.235.218) |
| 06:47.59 | *** join/#debian nowz (~nowz@204.104.127.78.rev.sfr.net) |
| 06:48.07 | *** join/#debian Flechmen_disconn (flechmen@66.85.155.60) |
| 06:49.54 | *** join/#debian soya (~user@61.131.73.10) |
| 06:50.06 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 06:54.16 | *** join/#debian hypnocat (~hypnocat@unaffiliated/hypnocat) |
| 06:54.36 | hypnocat | is there a way to find out which files will be installed by a given package without first installing that package? |
| 06:55.02 | *** join/#debian a (~slv@c-71-233-237-67.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 06:55.03 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (~mike@pool-173-69-166-175.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:55.06 | *** join/#debian andrewwest (~andrew@2001:8b0:be18:efd8:7271:bcff:fe63:1443) |
| 06:55.06 | *** join/#debian andrewwest (~andrew@sblug/member/andrewwest) |
| 06:56.03 | *** join/#debian xConMz (~xConMz@static.ghost.cjmz.eu) |
| 06:57.33 | archetech | hypno rpm |
| 06:58.40 | somiaj | hypnocat: there are various ways, dpkg -c will list the contents of an archive, you can use apt-file if you haven't downloaded the deb yet and get that from a sources cache, and packages.debian.org also contains list of files in a package |
| 06:59.35 | *** join/#debian ploo (~lbz@c-71-196-252-82.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 06:59.40 | somiaj | hypnocat: though are you more just intersted in apt-file and searching for a package which contains a paticular file? |
| 06:59.55 | ploo | is flashplugin available for in sid? |
| 07:00.16 | hypnocat | somiaj: no, i know the name of the package i'm interested in.. i just want to know which files it would install if i installed it |
| 07:00.18 | *** join/#debian SleepyFloyd (~sleepy@p5DC6928A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:00.42 | somiaj | not directally, but there is a 'contrib' package that is a script which will download it for you call 'flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 07:00.50 | somiaj | ploo: ^^ |
| 07:00.57 | *** join/#debian mwallacesd (~mwallaces@unaffiliated/mwallacesd) |
| 07:02.02 | *** join/#debian xConMz (~xConMz@static.ghost.cjmz.eu) |
| 07:04.24 | *** join/#debian Cavedude (~quassel@cpc11-finc13-2-0-cust520.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 07:04.58 | *** join/#debian skorzen (~skorzen@a89-154-189-103.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 07:06.35 | *** join/#debian burnettj-hm (~burnettj@99-165-53-105.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:06.46 | *** join/#debian debian_noob (~kash@122.163.61.245) |
| 07:08.30 | hypnocat | looks like "apt-file list PACKAGENAME" is what i needed |
| 07:08.30 | debian_noob | how do i autoconfigure a kernel for my system? like adding all drivers which are required and omit the ones that arent? |
| 07:08.34 | hypnocat | thanks for your help |
| 07:08.35 | *** part/#debian hypnocat (~hypnocat@unaffiliated/hypnocat) |
| 07:09.00 | *** join/#debian ludmar (~ludmar@host-217-172-255-11.lodz.mm.pl) |
| 07:10.07 | simonlnu | debian_noob: nowadays you don't have to do that, mostly. |
| 07:10.27 | debian_noob | simonlnu, i have the 3.10 kernel but its quite big |
| 07:10.39 | simonlnu | what 3.10 kernel? |
| 07:11.10 | debian_noob | i dont want all unnecessary drivers like accelerometer and all |
| 07:11.15 | simonlnu | you mean 3.1.10 i guess |
| 07:11.16 | debian_noob | i mean 3.1 |
| 07:11.21 | debian_noob | yeah |
| 07:11.44 | simonlnu | you mean when you're building it? |
| 07:11.45 | *** join/#debian davidisko (~davidisko@nat-88-212-37-51.antik.sk) |
| 07:12.15 | simonlnu | or run time? |
| 07:12.23 | debian_noob | building it |
| 07:12.56 | *** join/#debian zen_monkey (~hg@r190-132-246-62.dialup.mobile.ancel.net.uy) |
| 07:13.01 | somiaj | I've never seen an autoconfigure tool, if you don't want a premade kernel you'll have to go though and turn on/off the modules/features you want in and out of your kernel |
| 07:13.13 | simonlnu | eh, there's no real autoconfig for building. there was one like last year, 2 years ago, but it was rather buggy. |
| 07:13.16 | somiaj | what is wrong with a premade kernel, just don't like the size of /lib/modues/ker-ver |
| 07:13.24 | simonlnu | i guess |
| 07:13.57 | debian_noob | too many additional drivers |
| 07:13.59 | somiaj | the kernels themselves are still actually quite small |
| 07:14.19 | somiaj | debian_noob: copy /boot/config-`uname -r` to .config, start removing things you don't need in menuconfig |
| 07:14.29 | zen_monkey | how different is treated a thumbdrive from an usb-hdd? i am trying to use the 2nd but got access denied on anything as a normal user |
| 07:14.31 | *** join/#debian Klowner (~klown@65-103-59-245.dvnp.qwest.net) |
| 07:14.34 | simonlnu | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.6M fév 1 10:45 vmlinuz-3.2.0-1-686-pae |
| 07:14.37 | simonlnu | e.g. |
| 07:14.44 | somiaj | though the extra modules just take up hd space and don't bloat your actual kerenal a noticable amount |
| 07:14.54 | debian_noob | somiaj, okay |
| 07:15.13 | debian_noob | they arent loaded until modprobed right? |
| 07:15.31 | simonlnu | if they're in lsmod, they're loaded into kernel memory, yes |
| 07:15.35 | somiaj | zen_monkey:sounds more like file system issue, is the file system vfat (fat32) on the hdd? |
| 07:15.46 | *** join/#debian CVirus (~GoD@41.130.239.118) |
| 07:15.49 | simonlnu | otherwise, nope, nada, zilch |
| 07:16.03 | zen_monkey | somiaj, ext2 actually, tried btrfs also... |
| 07:16.12 | somiaj | debian_noob: udev does a lot of autodetecting but is only loading modules for hardware you have, if it isn't in lsmod or if extra stuff is loading there that hsouldn't be you can blacklist the modules |
| 07:16.34 | somiaj | zen_monkey: so you have to treat the file system like a reagular ext2 filesystem, have you given correct ownsership/primisions to the parts you want your users to be able to write to? |
| 07:17.06 | *** join/#debian MortenTemp (~morten@0x5da31f08.boanqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 07:17.07 | *** join/#debian matheus__ (~matheus@186.219.239.21) |
| 07:17.33 | debian_noob | i get scared by looking at the extracted size of the kernel - 420 MB |
| 07:17.38 | xploitx | whazzyo |
| 07:17.45 | xploitx | whazzup* |
| 07:17.56 | zen_monkey | somiaj, i've just pluged the drive on the usb port, it appears on /media/ and nothing else happends... |
| 07:18.05 | somiaj | debian_noob: what kernel? That seems extra large unless you are talking about the kernel-source |
| 07:18.26 | debian_noob | somiaj, yeah the source |
| 07:18.39 | debian_noob | and it takes damn long to build |
| 07:18.51 | debian_noob | my processor's not that recent |
| 07:19.13 | somiaj | zen_monkey: well its an ext2 filesystem so it isn't like vfat that when it is automounted is given the gid/uid of your user. You will have to chown the file system to the user you want to give prmisions to. |
| 07:19.40 | somiaj | debian_noob: well the modules dir is about 100megs, so all the hassle of compling this kernel is goin to do is save that space on your hdd, and with modern hdds, 100megs is nothing |
| 07:19.42 | xploitx | what's the best filesystem, somiaj? |
| 07:19.56 | xploitx | I use ext3 here but it seems too slow... |
| 07:20.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1153] by debhelper |
| 07:20.14 | simonlnu | best for? |
| 07:20.17 | somiaj | xploitx: depends on what you want to do, there are some nice benchmarks between xfs/ext2/ext3,4/btfs you can look up. I personally just use ext4 nowdays |
| 07:20.32 | somiaj | ext4 is quite a bit faster than ext3 in various cases |
| 07:20.39 | zen_monkey | somiaj, so i chown what, /dev/hdX, partition or mounted resource (/media/...) ? |
| 07:20.48 | simonlnu | media/foo |
| 07:20.50 | somiaj | zen_monkey: you chown the file system, not the device |
| 07:20.54 | simonlnu | /media/foo |
| 07:21.00 | *** join/#debian th0mz (~th0mz@me.unleaked.com) |
| 07:21.07 | somiaj | zen_monkey: if you want to not give the user access to the whole drive, make him a directory on the drive and chown that. |
| 07:21.29 | somiaj | just treate the file system like any other linux file system cause it is, so follows the same rules |
| 07:21.34 | xploitx | somiaj I have a laptop and I use only at home, no heavy tasks... |
| 07:21.38 | streuner | dpkg, filesystems |
| 07:21.38 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3> or <ext4>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:21.48 | xploitx | its an i3 core |
| 07:22.19 | streuner | s/probably/ / |
| 07:22.22 | somiaj | I'd suggest ext4 for most |
| 07:22.31 | debian_noob | xploitx, could try xfs |
| 07:22.32 | somiaj | though ext2 is just fine if you don't want journaling |
| 07:22.41 | debian_noob | if you copy large amounts of files |
| 07:23.10 | streuner | debian_noob: it worked here some time, but one day, you'll get problems... |
| 07:23.22 | debian_noob | streuner, never till now |
| 07:23.30 | xploitx | debian_noob, yeah i think i will |
| 07:23.46 | debian_noob | anyone daring enough to use zfs? |
| 07:23.58 | debian_noob | needs 4 GB memory |
| 07:24.27 | xploitx | at works we use zfs |
| 07:24.32 | xploitx | we a solaris server |
| 07:24.39 | xploitx | we have a solaris server& |
| 07:24.41 | debian_noob | xploitx, how much memory? |
| 07:24.53 | xploitx | 8gb |
| 07:25.31 | xploitx | I'm so pissed... |
| 07:25.48 | xploitx | I installed FreeBSD at my home desktop |
| 07:26.01 | somiaj | why not debian Kfreebsd? |
| 07:26.37 | debian_noob | xploitx, going good? :D |
| 07:27.14 | xploitx | i didnt even know that distro somiaj |
| 07:27.24 | somiaj | xploitx: debian has a freebsd port |
| 07:27.34 | somiaj | xploitx: uses the bsd kernel with the debian gnu software |
| 07:28.02 | xploitx | debian_noob. nop, i'll install debian squeeze 6.0 tomorrow |
| 07:28.02 | *** join/#debian SleepyFloyd (~sleepy@p5DC6A533.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:28.09 | xploitx | somiaj, i'll try that |
| 07:28.26 | *** join/#debian TheBadShepperd (xelda@galaxy.8bitrebellion.net) |
| 07:28.39 | xploitx | i'm installing debian squeeze right now in my virtualbox |
| 07:28.49 | Mac102 | hi noob here if i run fsck.ext3 and it noly returns: 14080/61054976 files (16.6% non-contiguous), 100433908/244189751 blocks |
| 07:28.54 | *** join/#debian r4co0n (~r4co0n@ip-90-186-176-92.web.vodafone.de) |
| 07:28.55 | somiaj | http://www.debian.org/ports/index.en.html -- there is a 386 and amd64 version of the kfreebsd port |
| 07:28.59 | Mac102 | that mean nothin was wrong and everythings grovy? |
| 07:28.59 | *** join/#debian bool (~bool@89-151-199.95.3p.ntebredband.no) |
| 07:29.33 | simonlnu | that's fine yes |
| 07:29.43 | bool | I want to install debian on a flash drive.. I know windows 7 do everything automatically, like aligning and optimizing etc. What about debian? |
| 07:29.46 | simonlnu | though you have a bit of fragmentation |
| 07:30.00 | xploitx | windows 7 = shit |
| 07:30.22 | simonlnu | windows does tires? |
| 07:30.29 | zen_monkey | debian_noob, am looking to buil a home fileserver on zfs... any advice? |
| 07:30.43 | bool | xploitx: why? |
| 07:30.57 | debian_noob | zen_monkey, you need at least 4GB if you want it to be smooth |
| 07:30.59 | simonlnu | zen_monkey: use something stable like ext* |
| 07:31.04 | xploitx | just finished installing debian on my virtualbox |
| 07:31.07 | xploitx | holyshit |
| 07:31.10 | xploitx | nice boot img |
| 07:31.14 | debian_noob | bool, http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB |
| 07:31.28 | debian_noob | bool, be warned, it will take a long time |
| 07:31.31 | zen_monkey | i was dragged by the corruption check and auto healing... |
| 07:31.36 | bool | debian_noob: i ment ssd drive... not usb-stick |
| 07:31.41 | zen_monkey | any other on such features? |
| 07:31.48 | debian_noob | bool, thats fine then |
| 07:31.52 | zen_monkey | hdds are untrustable |
| 07:31.53 | zen_monkey | :p |
| 07:32.16 | debian_noob | zen_monkey, yeah the journaling is very good |
| 07:32.25 | debian_noob | bool, usb? |
| 07:32.26 | somiaj | bool: there are some various sites out there that suggest things you can do to increase the life of an ssd on a linux or even debian system. |
| 07:32.27 | simonlnu | zen_monkey: you'll want software raid and maybe lvm on top of that, plus some stable filesystem |
| 07:32.38 | *** join/#debian Kakadu (~kakadu@217.71.235.218) |
| 07:32.40 | *** join/#debian Stupendoussteve (~Stevie@pdpc/supporter/student/stupendoussteve) |
| 07:33.08 | xploitx | somiaj, debian recognize my wireless drive on virtualbox, you think it will work if i install this on my hd? |
| 07:33.09 | zen_monkey | simonlnu, lvm over sraid? how that will work? |
| 07:33.19 | bool | debian_noob... you just gave me a link to a install debian on usb |
| 07:33.20 | simonlnu | very well, heh |
| 07:33.31 | debian_noob | bool, well you did say flashdrive |
| 07:33.33 | *** join/#debian Kakadu (~kakadu@217.71.235.218) |
| 07:33.35 | somiaj | xploitx: just recall that lots of wireless cards require non-free firmware. |
| 07:33.36 | debian_noob | for an SSD |
| 07:33.40 | *** join/#debian Virtualmix (~Virtualmi@60-240-178-181.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:33.50 | debian_noob | i think booting up the CD installer should be good enough |
| 07:33.54 | zen_monkey | i mean isn't the raid in charge of cloning the drive? what is lvm for? |
| 07:33.56 | *** join/#debian JuRiJ (~Havis@bband-dyn38.178-41-72.t-com.sk) |
| 07:33.59 | zen_monkey | in this case |
| 07:34.22 | xploitx | this is shit |
| 07:34.30 | bool | debian_noob: i know that.. but there are optimizations you can do to ssd drives to increase life time and speed |
| 07:34.40 | simonlnu | easier resizing of partitions. that's why i said optional, since this is going to be a file server. you're not likely to be needing to resize the system partitions much. |
| 07:34.51 | xploitx | well, i think I'll have to spend sometime trying to configure this then hahaa |
| 07:35.13 | Mac102 | simonlnu, ah thx but thought fragmentation wasnt an issue on ext3? |
| 07:35.20 | xploitx | 1st think I installed archlinux I spend the whole night trying to make the wifi connection works hahaha |
| 07:35.28 | zen_monkey | simonlnu, do you have any link on s-raid and lvm setuo so i can read a bit? |
| 07:35.32 | simonlnu | otoh, the partitions you'll be putting stuff are going to be a lot bigger than the system partitions |
| 07:35.41 | *** join/#debian the-M (~the-M@TK212017102073.teleweb.at) |
| 07:35.53 | simonlnu | zen_monkey: the installer can handle this. "guided partitioning" |
| 07:35.54 | *** join/#debian nsadmin (~nsadmin@unaffiliated/nsadmin) |
| 07:36.39 | simonlnu | Mac102: generally not, but 16% is rather large. you mst've been doing a lot of deleting/moving lately ^_^ |
| 07:37.22 | zen_monkey | simonlnu, say i have 3 drives, should i use all on the raid/lvm setup or the system is better outside that thing? |
| 07:38.27 | simonlnu | hmm. depends what your priorities are. |
| 07:39.07 | simonlnu | if you're more paranoid about the served data, then i'd raid that, and leave the system alone, and maybe lvm that |
| 07:39.21 | simonlnu | there's a bunch of options you can do =) |
| 07:40.16 | zen_monkey | well... it's a tinkering machine... main would be unload the laptops drive to somewhere trusty, some backup stuff |
| 07:40.25 | *** join/#debian cygnus011 (~janik@xdsl-83-150-84-65.nebulazone.fi) |
| 07:40.58 | zen_monkey | but also need a place to play with squid setup and more as it comes |
| 07:41.44 | simonlnu | yeh, definitely raid that |
| 07:42.31 | zen_monkey | also comes to mind... download server, maybe media serv... :D |
| 07:42.42 | zen_monkey | so all disks raid |
| 07:42.54 | zen_monkey | right? |
| 07:43.05 | *** join/#debian Slydder (~Chuck@dslb-178-005-213-048.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:43.34 | freaky[t] | what do i do if i get strange characters arround the filename of wget when running wget (not on the actual file on hd) it seems it is some wrong locale or wrong setup which causes some âs to appear arround the filename - how can i fix this? |
| 07:43.34 | simonlnu | yeh. and consider investing in some drives for failed drives |
| 07:43.41 | *** join/#debian hid3 (~arnoldas@78.157.71.116) |
| 07:44.31 | zen_monkey | before your suggestion i've considered drive 1 for the os/download/tinkering and 2,3 in raid for things that i want safe... |
| 07:44.56 | zen_monkey | it's a temporary meassure as it's made of abandoned hardware hehe |
| 07:46.17 | xploitx | hahaha i downloaded only the 1st cd of debian |
| 07:46.23 | xploitx | shit.. |
| 07:46.30 | xploitx | i should download the dvd |
| 07:46.41 | xploitx | apt-get doesnt work |
| 07:47.39 | zen_monkey | somiaj, thanks for the advice on chmods, i've done that before but couldn't remember... |
| 07:48.34 | *** join/#debian McMAGIC--Copy (~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy) |
| 07:48.36 | zen_monkey | simonlnu, am going to do some further reading on raid setups, interesting topic, thanks for the idea |
| 07:49.00 | zen_monkey | xploitx, doesn't have sources? |
| 07:49.11 | *** join/#debian rossmohax (~parallels@217.158.143.75) |
| 07:49.29 | *** join/#debian bier (~bier@p5085E457.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:49.40 | *** join/#debian A_J (~A_J@117.195.21.98) |
| 07:49.52 | simonlnu | zen_monkey: np. just use something stable for the fs and os (yeh squeeze ;), and you won't see much problems |
| 07:51.01 | A_J | Need some help installing, I.boot up the cd snd click gui some green and colourful bars come on the top like text.then it hangs |
| 07:51.06 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 07:51.26 | zen_monkey | simonlnu, i got the netinstall right beside me hehe, btu will have to wait until tomorrow... actually today in a few more hours, need to catch some sleep :P |
| 07:52.07 | A_J | Any help ? |
| 07:52.55 | *** join/#debian DerPate (~dominik@85.183.99.23) |
| 07:53.25 | A_J | Umm.... |
| 07:53.30 | *** join/#debian dagget_ (~dagget@178.219.244.155) |
| 07:53.48 | zen_monkey | A_J, not familiar with the gui install, how about the text version? |
| 07:55.19 | A_J | Zen well I click it same thing happens, on the top a green text comes says somethin abt a video.mode |
| 07:55.46 | A_J | Undefined video mode ,319 |
| 07:56.04 | A_J | Then colourful text.comes |
| 07:56.22 | zen_monkey | A_J, wich video card do you have? (am going beyond my knowledge here :D) |
| 07:57.07 | *** join/#debian prbz (~prebz@c83-254-51-59.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 07:57.07 | A_J | None,.onboard it's a old pc |
| 07:57.43 | A_J | Really old. Intel 845 p4 |
| 07:58.35 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@85-127-131-227.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 07:58.37 | A_J | The installer is stuck again |
| 07:59.32 | A_J | zen_monkey ? |
| 07:59.45 | *** join/#debian Sbidicuda (~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:59.58 | *** join/#debian valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 08:00.12 | *** join/#debian A_J (~A_J@117.195.21.98) |
| 08:00.16 | zen_monkey | A_J, how familiar with changing boot parameters are you? am reading on something that might solve that |
| 08:00.36 | A_J | Via the bios ? |
| 08:00.52 | zen_monkey | no, at boot on grub |
| 08:00.56 | *** join/#debian huglester (~quassel@78.157.71.116) |
| 08:01.00 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~ben@118-93-150-56.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 08:01.05 | zen_monkey | when the splash screen comes up... |
| 08:01.40 | A_J | Not that familiar. Installing debian for the first time |
| 08:01.42 | *** join/#debian aidaho (~aidaho@91.224.168.10) |
| 08:01.54 | *** join/#debian technologov_ (~technolog@bzq-79-176-149-205.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 08:02.05 | A_J | If.you can link me to a tutorial |
| 08:02.14 | zen_monkey | A_J, let me see |
| 08:02.42 | A_J | Kk |
| 08:02.49 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 08:03.31 | *** join/#debian A_J (~A_J@unaffiliated/a-j/x-0012945) |
| 08:05.36 | *** join/#debian morphje (~morphje@morphje.xs4all.nl) |
| 08:06.07 | A_J | I have an ide hhd and cd drive if that matters. |
| 08:06.28 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~ben@118-93-150-56.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 08:07.00 | A_J | Bingo |
| 08:07.33 | A_J | Vga 771.worked |
| 08:07.55 | zen_monkey | A_J, was about to suggest vga=normal |
| 08:08.20 | bool | what is the kernel version of debian 6.0.4? |
| 08:08.28 | zen_monkey | that were the boot parameters i talked about |
| 08:08.53 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@0209ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 08:08.53 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@unaffiliated/vooze) |
| 08:09.06 | NapHtaKeRoSene | hi |
| 08:09.08 | NapHtaKeRoSene | if i do fabs(doublevar) then is it possible doublevar be < 0 ? i believe i am getting negative float value after clamping |
| 08:09.28 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~ben@118-93-150-56.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 08:14.44 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-199.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 08:14.49 | *** join/#debian techie26 (~techie26@bas21-toronto12-1242364276.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 08:18.02 | *** join/#debian liz_shanghai (~liz@124.78.134.99) |
| 08:18.54 | A_J | Thanks zen |
| 08:20.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1159] by debhelper |
| 08:24.33 | *** join/#debian kollapse (~kollaps@79.116.223.192) |
| 08:24.33 | *** join/#debian kollapse (~kollaps@unaffiliated/kollapse) |
| 08:24.50 | *** join/#debian wroos (~wroos@h-62-8.a259.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 08:25.30 | *** join/#debian shifty (~user@114-198-43-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 08:27.07 | zen_monkey | A_J, no problem, being my first helped in a few days... now i've fulfilled my task :P hehe |
| 08:27.25 | *** join/#debian zymurgy (~Ben@c-98-213-67-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 08:27.49 | *** join/#debian Gilde (~Gilde@dslb-092-076-144-239.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:28.36 | *** join/#debian e1z0 (~null@pdpc/supporter/7for7/e1z0) |
| 08:31.45 | *** join/#debian bocaneri (~sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin) |
| 08:32.40 | *** join/#debian sterNiX (~LessIsMor@unaffiliated/nu253r/x-0655220) |
| 08:33.32 | *** join/#debian jonko (~jonko@acgb166.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:44.29 | cerales | somiaj: /wc |
| 08:44.33 | *** part/#debian cerales (~cerales@125.7.122.5) |
| 08:45.05 | bool | should I select web-server at install time if i want to run wamp (a local web-server)? |
| 08:45.41 | *** join/#debian McMAGIC--Copy (~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy) |
| 08:47.14 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@ip-89-102-236-54.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 08:51.06 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 08:52.25 | *** join/#debian TheBadShepperd (xelda@galaxy.8bitrebellion.net) |
| 08:53.16 | *** join/#debian bfgun (~b_fin_g@r186-48-221-67.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 08:53.19 | *** join/#debian wren (~me@219.70.221.138) |
| 08:55.41 | *** join/#debian oCean (~oCean@ubuntu/member/ocean) |
| 08:57.47 | *** join/#debian shogun12341 (~neo@118-168-66-123.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 08:57.51 | *** join/#debian arjun_ (~asdf@122.165.225.85) |
| 08:57.56 | *** join/#debian hajosattila (~alucard@77.242.152.79) |
| 08:57.56 | *** join/#debian hajosattila (~alucard@unaffiliated/hajosattila) |
| 08:58.01 | *** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-78-144-99-103.as13285.net) |
| 08:58.02 | *** join/#debian aixenv (~aixenv@cpe-76-174-196-241.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 08:58.08 | *** part/#debian shogun12341 (~neo@118-168-66-123.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 08:58.29 | aixenv | anyone around that's using postfix +sasl +pam (to mysql) on debian squeeze? |
| 09:00.36 | *** join/#debian zhao (~zhao@114.248.174.204) |
| 09:00.46 | *** join/#debian morphje (~morphje@morphje.xs4all.nl) |
| 09:02.17 | *** join/#debian Cyanure (~Cyanure@212-198-164-39.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 09:05.11 | *** join/#debian Miss_Anthropie (~blob@gssn-5f754069.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 09:05.26 | *** join/#debian Yuqian (~Yuqian@116.113.84.195) |
| 09:05.54 | *** join/#debian geekosopher (~nitesh@unaffiliated/mistrynitesh) |
| 09:06.04 | *** join/#debian bwana147 (~cbouvi@82.101.21.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 09:06.20 | *** join/#debian kuhkatz (~kuhkatz@gateway/tor-sasl/kuhkatz) |
| 09:06.42 | *** join/#debian qwebirc68796 (50e61796@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.230.23.150) |
| 09:09.23 | aixenv | anyone around? |
| 09:09.41 | *** join/#debian zymurgy (~Ben@c-98-213-67-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1166] by debhelper |
| 09:11.39 | Yuqian | Hello!everyone here.I have some trouble. |
| 09:12.20 | *** join/#debian SleepyFloyd (~sleepy@p5DC69349.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:12.49 | *** join/#debian Carmivore (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore) |
| 09:14.16 | *** join/#debian Whitesquall (~notwhites@109.225.37.144) |
| 09:16.34 | *** join/#debian ksuhku (~urmom@193-64-22-175-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 09:17.31 | *** join/#debian xingu (~xingu@cl-1387.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net) |
| 09:17.53 | *** part/#debian kollapse (~kollaps@unaffiliated/kollapse) |
| 09:18.01 | *** join/#debian streuner (foobar@mnhm-4d01b4b4.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 09:21.01 | *** join/#debian Zylius (ae4f6386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.79.99.134) |
| 09:25.38 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 09:28.58 | *** join/#debian ballcutter (~admin@172.sub-174-253-66.myvzw.com) |
| 09:30.19 | bool | i think everyone is sleeping |
| 09:31.04 | aixenv | i guess |
| 09:31.50 | overclucker | just flashed my wrt54gs router |
| 09:32.13 | simonlnu | something like that |
| 09:32.21 | overclucker | and then spent the last 4 hourse playing with pxe booting |
| 09:32.27 | overclucker | *hours |
| 09:33.01 | *** join/#debian Jussi__ (~jussi@c217.20.60.10.shm.nrdc.dk) |
| 09:33.12 | *** join/#debian nemysis (~nemysis@unaffiliated/nemysis) |
| 09:34.11 | *** join/#debian reinal (~info@178-20-56.dynamic.cyta.gr) |
| 09:34.21 | *** join/#debian BarthezZ (~bart@2001:41d0:2:9d0c::2) |
| 09:35.27 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 09:36.52 | *** join/#debian delby (~chatzilla@5ac28a4c.bb.sky.com) |
| 09:37.31 | *** join/#debian Whitesquall (~notwhites@31.172.205.105) |
| 09:38.00 | *** join/#debian AkhIL_ (~akhilman@2002:5efb:3dca::1) |
| 09:38.36 | *** join/#debian yweb (~yweb@se167-2-88-172-168-116.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:40.01 | delby | hi. i am using squeeze with openbox (no DE). i have installed thunar and was considering thunar-volman for volume management. is it a problem that thunar-volman depends on hal (which is deprecated)? for example, does it clash with udev? |
| 09:41.50 | *** join/#debian matheus_ (~matheus@186.219.239.21) |
| 09:42.33 | matheus_ | morning |
| 09:42.50 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@79.109.213.221.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 09:42.50 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 09:45.26 | *** join/#debian grapsus (~grapsus@2a01:e35:8acb:36e0:c2cb:38ff:fe62:b4ba) |
| 09:45.31 | *** join/#debian harovali1 (~harovali@r186-52-112-129.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 09:45.36 | *** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-98-97-3.as13285.net) |
| 09:45.36 | simonlnu | delby: i think they'll be switching to udev soonish |
| 09:46.25 | *** join/#debian levi501d (~th3m4d0n3@173-8-248-29-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 09:46.52 | simonlnu | hal works with udev, doesn't it? i don't remember now. |
| 09:50.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1159] by debhelper |
| 09:50.25 | *** join/#debian Zylum (ae4f6386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.79.99.134) |
| 09:52.36 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 09:55.45 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 09:56.45 | *** join/#debian CoolDuke (~CoolDuke@i59F704CE.versanet.de) |
| 09:57.09 | *** join/#debian ciao (mik@ppp-170-24.26-151.libero.it) |
| 09:57.22 | ciao | !lista |
| 09:57.30 | ciao | !list |
| 09:57.30 | dpkg | ciao: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 09:58.23 | *** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) |
| 09:58.26 | *** join/#debian balboah (~balboah@h-35-153.a336.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 09:59.16 | *** part/#debian ciao (mik@ppp-170-24.26-151.libero.it) |
| 09:59.51 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~0bitcount@213.37.202.19.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 09:59.58 | *** join/#debian Worf (~worf@chello080109200187.3.sc-graz.chello.at) |
| 10:01.51 | *** join/#debian sterNiX (~LessIsMor@unaffiliated/nu253r/x-0655220) |
| 10:02.01 | *** join/#debian ndrs__ (~andres@86-40-36-58-dynamic.b-ras3.chf.cork.eircom.net) |
| 10:02.20 | *** join/#debian bint (bint@cable-static-220-208.intergga.ch) |
| 10:03.22 | *** join/#debian Commander1024 (~Commander@ip-109-91-237-97.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 10:07.22 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (~wil@unaffiliated/dutchfish) |
| 10:08.01 | *** join/#debian Iamonthissong (~iamonthis@TestWiki/Iamonthissong) |
| 10:08.22 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~michael@99.56.172.57) |
| 10:08.25 | *** join/#debian tertiary (b27853a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.120.83.161) |
| 10:08.50 | *** join/#debian omeringen (~ircap@88.236.155.19) |
| 10:09.09 | *** join/#debian desti (~desti@dslb-188-109-027-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1170] by debhelper |
| 10:12.12 | *** join/#debian Kunda (~Kunda@76-253-76-173.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:12.50 | delby | simonlnu: thanks |
| 10:13.06 | *** join/#debian gusnan (~gusnan@h205n3c1o269.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 10:13.32 | *** part/#debian ksuhku (~urmom@193-64-22-175-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 10:13.57 | *** join/#debian streuner (foobar@mnhm-4d01b4b4.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 10:14.09 | *** join/#debian ksuhku (~urmom@193-64-22-175-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 10:14.16 | *** part/#debian ksuhku (~urmom@193-64-22-175-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 10:14.19 | *** join/#debian ksuhku (~urmom@193-64-22-175-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 10:14.38 | *** join/#debian Qazjap11 (~Qazjap11@85.65.226.211.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 10:14.56 | *** join/#debian faber (~faber@ppp-158-11.26-151.libero.it) |
| 10:15.14 | *** join/#debian technologov__ (~technolog@109.65.167.187) |
| 10:15.18 | simonlnu | ok |
| 10:15.33 | *** join/#debian Aldus (~aldus@2-227-210-17.ip187.fastwebnet.it) |
| 10:15.36 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.245.95) |
| 10:16.57 | *** join/#debian ayambit (~aya@128-68-40-183.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 10:18.21 | *** join/#debian Commander1024 (~Commander@ip-109-91-237-97.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 10:20.06 | *** join/#debian matheus_ (~matheus@186.219.239.21) |
| 10:20.12 | *** join/#debian CanolaOil (~CanolaOil@189.223.38.147.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 10:23.05 | *** join/#debian Cyanure (~Cyanure@212-198-164-39.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 10:25.38 | *** join/#debian nixmaniack (~muneeb@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3) |
| 10:26.07 | *** join/#debian th0mz (~th0mz@me.unleaked.com) |
| 10:26.52 | NapHtaKeRoSene | can somebody recommend a usable nonbloated crap window system like X11 ? |
| 10:27.12 | *** join/#debian Jurkki (jukka@a91-156-170-251.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 10:27.55 | *** join/#debian admin_ (~admin@pool133-73.cable.tolna.net) |
| 10:28.02 | *** part/#debian p4l1 (pali@gentoo.informel.pl) |
| 10:28.05 | *** join/#debian p4l1 (pali@gentoo.informel.pl) |
| 10:28.08 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments |
| 10:28.37 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, maybe xfce? |
| 10:29.01 | NapHtaKeRoSene | thanks |
| 10:29.08 | NapHtaKeRoSene | i'm migrating from this piece of shit |
| 10:29.28 | NapHtaKeRoSene | it leaks all my memory after a few days of use and hoggs my system resources |
| 10:29.47 | *** join/#debian Dropkickert (~Coffee_ma@178-85-3-2.dynamic.upc.nl) |
| 10:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1176] by debhelper |
| 10:30.27 | NapHtaKeRoSene | i have to killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop once in a few days to limit it somewhat |
| 10:30.38 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, well, it depends alot on what you want and how much resources you want to offer to it |
| 10:30.57 | *** join/#debian SeasluG (~JoeBloggs@41-132-194-146.dsl.mweb.co.za) |
| 10:30.57 | *** join/#debian SeasluG (~JoeBloggs@unaffiliated/joebloggs) |
| 10:31.09 | *** join/#debian NoNaMeNo (~NoNaMeNo@tb213-185-227-85.cust.teknikbyran.com) |
| 10:32.32 | *** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@170.Red-88-26-182.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:32.38 | *** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 10:33.08 | *** join/#debian parallels (~parallels@cpc14-enfi16-2-0-cust190.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:37.30 | *** join/#debian SeasluG (~JoeBloggs@unaffiliated/joebloggs) |
| 10:41.02 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 10:41.47 | *** join/#debian n3lThon (~n3lThon@2.82.127.25) |
| 10:42.06 | *** join/#debian mastro (~mastro@host233-68-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:43.14 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, and cat /proc/meminfo is your friend, i have not found many memleaks, most is due to other causes, interpreting linux memory consumption is a topic to delve in further |
| 10:43.32 | *** join/#debian rdponticelli (~Bitcoin@200-081-038-086.wireless.movistar.net.ar) |
| 10:44.14 | NapHtaKeRoSene | dutchfish<< when i see plasma-desktop eating >30% memory in top it gets suspicious |
| 10:45.09 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, with 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sync && sync' you can study this behavior along with the cat /proc/meminfo |
| 10:45.22 | NapHtaKeRoSene | no it does not help |
| 10:45.25 | NapHtaKeRoSene | it is leaked. |
| 10:45.50 | dutchfish | in any case, if so, report it, it is a bug after all |
| 10:45.55 | NapHtaKeRoSene | kde is thrashing my system |
| 10:46.00 | themill | presumably some plasmoid that you've added to it; plasma itself is quite well behaved. |
| 10:46.15 | NapHtaKeRoSene | i don't use anything |
| 10:46.26 | NapHtaKeRoSene | i have removed everything i could |
| 10:46.46 | NapHtaKeRoSene | this is just a 2.2GHz amd64 with 1GB ddr400 memory |
| 10:47.20 | NapHtaKeRoSene | only capable of creating sha512sum of raw hdd content at 90MB/s with 45% cpu load |
| 10:47.31 | dutchfish | more then enough, i run a full blown kde on debian/stable x86_64, with less then 600mb consumed |
| 10:47.57 | NapHtaKeRoSene | it wokrs a few days after a clean reboot |
| 10:48.01 | matheus_ | dude, i'm in a netbook with 1.6ghz intel n455 with 1gb ram and i'm running xchat with 3 open tabs, chromium with 6 open tabs, listening amarok and coding at eclipse. it's taking 500 mb of memory lol |
| 10:48.08 | NapHtaKeRoSene | then it starts to be slower and slower, and leaking all my memroy |
| 10:48.15 | BenNZ | NapHtaKeRoSene: i use xfce with similiar specs , only use about 130mb at idle |
| 10:48.24 | *** join/#debian XLV (~XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) |
| 10:48.28 | NapHtaKeRoSene | benf<< nice |
| 10:48.33 | NapHtaKeRoSene | BenNZ<< |
| 10:48.41 | NapHtaKeRoSene | what is your config? |
| 10:48.52 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 10:49.10 | BenNZ | NapHtaKeRoSene: which config? |
| 10:49.21 | NapHtaKeRoSene | what software you have ? |
| 10:49.29 | dutchfish | sure, xfce is less demanding, but it boils down to your needs, in any case 1GB should be more then enough even for KDE |
| 10:49.48 | matheus_ | KDE isnt that heavy... |
| 10:49.52 | BenNZ | NapHtaKeRoSene: you mean running at the moment? |
| 10:49.59 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@host86-131-203-101.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:50.19 | NapHtaKeRoSene | BenNZ<< i was intereested in how to reproduce your 130MB result |
| 10:50.29 | NapHtaKeRoSene | you know, i have a clean computer |
| 10:50.50 | NapHtaKeRoSene | then partition, put on a bootloader, and ... |
| 10:50.54 | *** join/#debian skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) |
| 10:51.46 | BenNZ | NapHtaKeRoSene: ok thats just at idle , i removed the xfce panel and replaced it with tint2 , i use conky , but just a simple config , and 'tweaked' the startup apps a bit |
| 10:51.58 | matheus_ | I can't assimilate what you mean. I swar, i'm trying... |
| 10:52.07 | matheus_ | swear* |
| 10:52.36 | *** join/#debian kaziem (~devnull@184.120.216.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 10:52.38 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 10:52.54 | NapHtaKeRoSene | downloading a debian installer then use a default config will definitely not result in that |
| 10:52.57 | *** join/#debian fahad_ (~fahad@2.89.185.210) |
| 10:54.06 | *** join/#debian DragonSlay (~DragonSla@59.92.41.211) |
| 10:54.06 | *** join/#debian DragonSlay (~DragonSla@unaffiliated/dragonslay) |
| 10:54.57 | NapHtaKeRoSene | kde never again thanks |
| 10:55.07 | matheus_ | BenNZ i'm thinking in put xfce here or lxde. could you take a print of your desktop for me to see how it works? |
| 10:55.40 | BenNZ | matheus_: a screenshot? |
| 10:56.02 | matheus_ | yeap |
| 10:56.27 | fahad_ | Hello there I have a problem I can not run Wi-Fi |
| 10:56.32 | BenNZ | matheus_: ok give me a few mins |
| 10:56.54 | matheus_ | fine |
| 10:57.20 | matheus_ | fahad_, whats your debian version? |
| 10:58.00 | fahad_ | linuxmint debian |
| 10:58.13 | fahad_ | linuxmint debian 12 |
| 10:58.16 | matheus_ | fahad_, and whats your wifi driver? |
| 10:58.44 | *** join/#debian JuLiiieN (~Julien@sat78-3-89-80-110-48.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 10:59.06 | fahad_ | Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) |
| 10:59.30 | fahad_ | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) |
| 10:59.49 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@0209ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 10:59.49 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@unaffiliated/vooze) |
| 11:00.20 | matheus_ | try this command on console has root |
| 11:00.25 | matheus_ | as root* |
| 11:00.27 | matheus_ | sudo aptitude install network-manager network-manager-gnome |
| 11:00.37 | BenNZ | matheus_: http://imagebin.org/197220 |
| 11:00.50 | bassliner | i fail to see how that enables a driver for a wifi adapter, but hey. |
| 11:01.18 | skilz | bassliner, Do you have wireless-utils installed? |
| 11:01.42 | matheus_ | BenNZ, holy fuck thats awesome |
| 11:01.53 | *** join/#debian [SkG] (~SkG@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) |
| 11:02.26 | bassliner | BenNZ: what gtk theme are you using? |
| 11:02.31 | BenNZ | matheus_: doesnt take that long to set up either |
| 11:02.34 | somiaj | fahad_: you should really be asking question in #mint or what ever the irc chan is for mint. |
| 11:02.37 | *** join/#debian Rosha__ (~rosha@89.165.109.139) |
| 11:02.53 | matheus_ | somiaj, I was going to say that... |
| 11:02.56 | *** join/#debian EyesIsMine (~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine) |
| 11:03.00 | bassliner | #linuxmint probaby |
| 11:03.01 | bassliner | +l |
| 11:03.18 | BenNZ | bassliner: xfce-smooth |
| 11:03.24 | bassliner | and well, installing network manager will not install kernel modules needed for accessing a wifi-card. |
| 11:03.26 | somiaj | in debian you'd have to worry about non-free firmware from firmware-realtek in the non-free repo, linux mint may not split things up but have other issues/tools |
| 11:03.33 | *** join/#debian Nielsen (Doc@x1-6-00-1f-d0-9f-e2-1c.k973.webspeed.dk) |
| 11:03.46 | BenNZ | somiaj: where you meaning me , the mint channel thing |
| 11:04.04 | bassliner | BenNZ: so what did you do to the panel to make it look like that? |
| 11:04.08 | BenNZ | somiaj: never i see |
| 11:04.14 | *** join/#debian Scr4tchY (~Scr4tchY@AOrleans-652-1-175-249.w86-221.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:04.22 | BenNZ | bassliner: its the tint2 panel |
| 11:04.25 | somiaj | BenNZ: no I mean the person who said they are running linux mint, (: |
| 11:04.27 | bassliner | ah |
| 11:04.49 | BenNZ | somiaj: yeah i saw that sorry |
| 11:04.53 | *** join/#debian e-anima (~eanima@p4FF8A18B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:05.24 | BenNZ | fahad_: there is no lmde 12 , either just lmde or mint 12 based on ubuntu |
| 11:06.28 | fahad_ | Already developed a problem there in the channel and I can not find answer or reply |
| 11:07.18 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 11:07.44 | somiaj | well this isn't the place for support, as we won't be familar with who linux mint deals with their kernels / core networking. I'd personally goto their documentation such as user manuals, isntall guides and look up their networking section |
| 11:07.52 | *** join/#debian mrtn86 (~mrtn@21.40.235.80.sta.estpak.ee) |
| 11:08.01 | matheus_ | wow, i just closed chromium |
| 11:08.21 | matheus_ | http://imagebin.org/197221 |
| 11:08.26 | somiaj | luckly it is easy to recover closed tabs in chromium |
| 11:08.29 | matheus_ | look the ram |
| 11:08.42 | matheus_ | I think i'm in love with linux... =/ |
| 11:09.01 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 11:09.26 | somiaj | I have had a single chormium tab eat up about 2gigs of ram due to stupid video adds on it I didnt' notice. But close the tab (and not the whole of chromium) was enough to recover all that memeory |
| 11:09.44 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.74.16) |
| 11:10.00 | mrtn86 | Is it possible to restore initial system integrity after manually removing many essential packages in order to fix broken APT package dependencies ? I mean is there a list of essential packages which are required at least to boot up the system? |
| 11:10.05 | *** join/#debian MarKsaitis (~MarKsaiti@cpc4-rdng22-2-0-cust932.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 11:10.15 | BenNZ | matheus_: 285 , thats good for kde |
| 11:10.21 | matheus_ | yeah, when i let chromium opened for 2 or 3 hours it's eats like 800 mb |
| 11:10.44 | somiaj | mrtn86: you can look up the packages labeled essential in various ways, but you may have better luck at this point backing up the user data / config files and reinstalling |
| 11:10.57 | *** join/#debian engla (~engla@90-229-236-112-no153.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 11:10.58 | *** join/#debian engla (~engla@wikipedia/Sverdrup) |
| 11:10.59 | matheus_ | BenNZ: hell yeah! |
| 11:11.13 | somiaj | mrtn86: that way you won't have any artifiacts laying around. Also what did you do to cause apt to break in such a way you had to remove essential packages to fix it? |
| 11:11.16 | matheus_ | i'll configure xfce in arch when I get home |
| 11:11.31 | matheus_ | then we'll see how much it eats... |
| 11:11.44 | somiaj | matheus_: it is more just stupid web page design, but alas I think we are going to be plagued with that far longer than stupid browsers |
| 11:11.50 | BenNZ | matheus_: im using 48 mg of ram on this laptop , with xchat open |
| 11:12.27 | *** join/#debian skilz (~skilz@101.169.184.8) |
| 11:12.38 | *** join/#debian skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) |
| 11:12.51 | matheus_ | somiaj, firefox with 1 tab eats 300mb here |
| 11:13.00 | matheus_ | BenNZ, sweet! |
| 11:13.08 | *** join/#debian alexxio (~kvirc@adsl-ull-47-85.45-151.net24.it) |
| 11:13.12 | matheus_ | BenNZ, are you running debian? |
| 11:13.13 | alexxio | hi |
| 11:13.17 | *** join/#debian milosn_ (~milosn@5ac48559.bb.sky.com) |
| 11:13.22 | alexxio | i'm running a debian without X |
| 11:13.40 | BenNZ | matheus_: nah the laptops running mint 9 xfce at the moment |
| 11:13.55 | *** join/#debian babilen (~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen) |
| 11:14.08 | mrtn86 | somiaj, ok, I see. However, as this is a remote server, I'll try to repair option first. In addition, at the moment I managed to fix all the dependencies: http://pastebin.com/VFv0b7Tm |
| 11:14.11 | somiaj | matheus_: fully, or has it reseved that amount of ram is using less. Chromium here has 480 megs reservered for the number of tabs I have open, but only about 50megs is being used. |
| 11:14.39 | alexxio | but how can i see what X configuration am i running? i mean, which file commands the way i see the shell character on the monitor right now? (think i'm on login screen without X) |
| 11:14.42 | somiaj | mrtn86: still what did you do that required you to remove core dependencies as conflicts, sounds like you are mixing stable and testing or messing with some other unoffical source. |
| 11:14.48 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@host86-131-203-101.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:15.02 | mrtn86 | somiaj, it was caused by VMware bug and my lack of patience to read throughly what atp-get wrote :) |
| 11:15.06 | matheus_ | BenNZ, whats your laptop config? how much memory? |
| 11:15.34 | somiaj | alexxio: X configuration is mostly automatic so there is no file, but /var/log/Xorg.0.log will contain the log telling you what was detected. |
| 11:15.43 | matheus_ | somiaj, iceweasel has the same problem also |
| 11:16.18 | somiaj | matheus_: well iceweasel is firefox, it really has no imporvments, just rebranding. But it is common for web browsers to reserve more memeory than they actually need |
| 11:16.26 | *** join/#debian rdponticelli (~Bitcoin@200-081-044-045.wireless.movistar.net.ar) |
| 11:16.31 | mrtn86 | somiaj, how to you list all the "essential" packages? |
| 11:16.45 | *** join/#debian valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 11:16.57 | somiaj | mrtn86: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 11:16.59 | BenNZ | matheus_: 256mg of ram , 1.4 celeron , it runs a 3.0 kernel |
| 11:17.02 | babilen | mrtn86: aptitude search ~E |
| 11:17.04 | somiaj | mrtn86: use the super cow powers of aptitude to search |
| 11:17.31 | *** join/#debian dschoepe (~dschoepe@unaffiliated/dschoepe) |
| 11:17.38 | mrtn86 | somiaj, babilen: thanks! |
| 11:17.43 | babilen | yw |
| 11:17.46 | somiaj | matheus_: but since I'm running on 12gigs of ram here and rarely ever use over 1gig (and most of that is just reserved by chromium not actually being used) I don't stress to much. (: |
| 11:18.01 | matheus_ | BenNZ, do you ever tried linux mint debian edition? |
| 11:18.28 | matheus_ | somiaj, with 12gb of ram you cant complain at ALL |
| 11:18.31 | matheus_ | haha |
| 11:18.49 | BenNZ | matheus_: yes i have that too |
| 11:19.24 | matheus_ | BenNZ, is that safe? i dont like *buntus-based distros |
| 11:19.30 | *** join/#debian dedeibel (~dedeibel@manz-590f18c8.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 11:19.35 | matheus_ | linux mint is a *buntu-based right? |
| 11:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1186] by debhelper |
| 11:20.01 | BenNZ | matheus_: linux mint debian edition or lmde is based on debian testing |
| 11:20.18 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@0209ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 11:20.18 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@unaffiliated/vooze) |
| 11:20.21 | babilen | matheus_: You are better off asking in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org btw -- Mint is not supported in here. |
| 11:20.27 | BenNZ | matheus_: but the numbered versions ie mint 9, 10, 11 , 12 are ubuntu based |
| 11:20.58 | matheus_ | babilen thats ok |
| 11:21.03 | matheus_ | BenNZ, got it |
| 11:21.17 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 11:21.33 | babilen | BenNZ, matheus_: See also "/msg dpkg mint" :) |
| 11:21.37 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.148.226) |
| 11:22.56 | BenNZ | babilen: do i type that here? |
| 11:23.23 | somiaj | BenNZ: its an irc command, you are sending a private message to the bot which returns a programed message |
| 11:23.28 | somiaj | also known as a factoid |
| 11:23.44 | babilen | BenNZ: Yes -- "/msg dpkg" will send a private message to our bot (dpkg). It will tell you about the <mint> factoid. See also <msgthebot>. |
| 11:23.49 | BenNZ | somiaj: ok cheers |
| 11:24.07 | BenNZ | babilen: ok cheers |
| 11:24.46 | BenNZ | i think i type it wrong , nothing happened |
| 11:24.55 | *** join/#debian gusto (~gusto@88.128.178.64) |
| 11:24.56 | somiaj | matheus_: actually I guess I have two chormium proccess together are taking up 1500megs of virt memory, but only 120m in res. |
| 11:25.04 | BenNZ | nevermind i see |
| 11:25.23 | somiaj | depending on your irc client it opens up a different window/tab/foo |
| 11:25.25 | babilen | BenNZ: It should have opened another tab/windows/whatever -- You also don't type the " |
| 11:25.30 | babilen | !tell BenNZ -about irc tutorial |
| 11:25.34 | babilen | BenNZ: Can we help you with something Debian related? (/me just joined) |
| 11:26.35 | BenNZ | babilen: actually whilst im here can you tell me how to edit the keyrings so i dont have to enter the password everytime i check my email in evolution |
| 11:27.11 | *** join/#debian SeasluG (~JoeBloggs@unaffiliated/joebloggs) |
| 11:27.31 | babilen | BenNZ: Is that in Gnome on Debian? Which version? The gnome-keyring-daemon should handle that and you should be able to edit various keyrings on your system with seahorse. |
| 11:27.34 | somiaj | evolution doesn't have a way to store it's own passwords, that is what icedove does here. |
| 11:28.08 | *** join/#debian huglester (~quassel@78.157.71.116) |
| 11:28.18 | babilen | I am not sure how exactly evolution accesses or uses the keyring though, but I would be mildly surprised if it wouldn't use Gnome's keyring infrastructure |
| 11:28.19 | *** join/#debian Sbidicuda (~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:28.35 | BenNZ | babilen: xfce , and gnome-keyring |
| 11:28.50 | alexxio | someone can switch on a remote monitor running without X? (vbetool, xset and others are not working) |
| 11:29.45 | BenNZ | babilen: ok cheers ill give seahorse a go |
| 11:30.09 | babilen | BenNZ: Is gnome-keyring-daemon running? (ps aux|grep gnome-keyring-daemon) |
| 11:30.16 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@host86-131-203-101.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:31.05 | BenNZ | babilen: yes |
| 11:31.45 | babilen | BenNZ: Should work in that case provided that evolution does indeed use it -- Lets see if there are reports about this behaviour. |
| 11:31.49 | *** join/#debian windz (evil@box.logiktech.net) |
| 11:32.36 | BenNZ | babilen: the odd thing is it doesnt do it with slim , the only problem with using slim is the sound doesnt work |
| 11:33.18 | babilen | BenNZ: You only see this (evolution) behaviour with slim? |
| 11:33.39 | BenNZ | babilen: with gdm , doesnt ask for the password when i use slim |
| 11:33.58 | BenNZ | babilen: so that led me to believe pam authentication maybe? |
| 11:34.08 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@unaffiliated/m4ggus) |
| 11:34.11 | mrtn86 | somiaj, babilen: is there a similar search possibility to "aptitude search ~E" in apt-get as well? In addition "aptitude search ~E" didn't list for example grub, which I know I'm missing.. |
| 11:34.59 | babilen | BenNZ: That is indeed weird -- slim is known for causing problems like this (e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579295) |
| 11:35.48 | babilen | mrtn86: grub is not essential but optional and apt-get does not provide the same search functionality |
| 11:36.17 | BenNZ | mrtn86: apt-get cache search grub ? |
| 11:36.23 | babilen | BenNZ: Could you try to reproduce the problem with gdm3? |
| 11:36.31 | mrtn86 | babilen, ok, I see. |
| 11:36.46 | babilen | !tell mrtn86 -about standard |
| 11:36.59 | *** join/#debian dualboot (~seggers@2002:5799:3864:0:20c:29ff:fe9a:9b32) |
| 11:37.05 | somiaj | mrtn86: you don't need grub to have a running debian system, i.e. it could live in a chroot env or be booted another way, so it really isn't essential |
| 11:37.05 | alexxio | console resolution without X is linked to bios boot configuration? |
| 11:37.24 | BenNZ | babilen: how do you mean sorry |
| 11:37.33 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 11:38.06 | babilen | BenNZ: Install gdm3 and use that instead of gdm -- I'd be interested if the bug is reproducible with that login manager as well. |
| 11:38.58 | matheus_ | brb |
| 11:38.58 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.148.226) |
| 11:39.00 | BenNZ | babilen: ok i might purge slim and gdm then install gdm3 , |
| 11:39.11 | matheus_ | i'm trying to make apt-get works out in new debian here... |
| 11:39.21 | matheus_ | dont install ANY PROGRAM |
| 11:39.23 | babilen | alexxio: IIRC you still need a proper driver (i.e. X one) for KMS (/msg dpkg kms) to work -- You can set the resolution you want in /etc/default/grub (read: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration') |
| 11:39.37 | matheus_ | dont even install synaptic |
| 11:39.45 | babilen | !tell matheus_ -about show sources.list |
| 11:40.17 | babilen | matheus_: Please paste the output of the command dpkg just told you about to http://paste.debian.net along with that of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy synaptic" |
| 11:40.20 | BenNZ | matheus_: sudo apt-get install synaptic ? what errors do you get? im assuming that its better to use pastebin.com or similiar here |
| 11:40.34 | matheus_ | yeah, gimme a sec |
| 11:40.52 | babilen | BenNZ: We typically recommend http://paste.debian.net as it does *not* pester users with captchas and word pretty reliable. |
| 11:41.09 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 11:41.44 | babilen | s/word/works |
| 11:41.56 | BenNZ | babilen: ok good to know , i know some irc prefer certain sites , others dont care as long as you use one |
| 11:42.31 | *** join/#debian fr33k (~fvb@546B3855.cm-12-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 11:42.39 | babilen | BenNZ: Yeah, that is generally speaking the case here as well. I just very much dislike entering captchas when I am helping people here. |
| 11:43.41 | matheus_ | http://paste.debian.net/154810 |
| 11:43.44 | BenNZ | babilen: that can annoying |
| 11:43.49 | somiaj | agreed, I also dont' like pages riddeled with adds as well |
| 11:44.06 | babilen | +1 |
| 11:44.17 | somiaj | matheus_: you don't have any offical squeeze sources |
| 11:44.23 | babilen | matheus_: Yeah, you are missing the main repositories |
| 11:44.32 | babilen | !tell matheus_ -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 11:44.34 | somiaj | matheus_: probabaly should remove the cdrom course, and then add an offical squeeze repo so you have full access to all packages |
| 11:44.47 | *** join/#debian asakura (~asakura@gateway/tor-sasl/asakura) |
| 11:44.48 | babilen | matheus_: Let us know once you are done, have questions or want us to take a look. |
| 11:44.56 | matheus_ | ok, thank u |
| 11:45.03 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, if you are still determined enough to find a memleak and its owner take a peak at http://lwn.net/Articles/121656/ |
| 11:45.11 | *** join/#debian dnai23_ (~daniel@HSI-KBW-109-193-130-042.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 11:45.36 | *** join/#debian epicfail (~asdf@chello084113015143.2.12.vie.surfer.at) |
| 11:45.38 | NapHtaKeRoSene | dutchfish<< thanks, i'm migrating to xfce |
| 11:45.45 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@178.163.157.213) |
| 11:45.46 | dutchfish | ok, gl |
| 11:45.47 | *** join/#debian ruif13 (~drako@a89-153-246-245.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 11:45.55 | NapHtaKeRoSene | this whole bloat makes me upset |
| 11:46.01 | *** join/#debian [uM]Cyberdemon (~cyd@p54A9D633.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:46.08 | NapHtaKeRoSene | distracted |
| 11:46.10 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (angel@188.214.222.57) |
| 11:46.14 | ruif13 | hia anyone have emacs+geben+xdebug working? |
| 11:46.30 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, well, upsetting does not help, carefully unwinding the problem with lot's of determination, does ;) |
| 11:47.07 | NapHtaKeRoSene | dutchfish<< there are too many bloats in kde, i do not need 90% of it |
| 11:47.20 | NapHtaKeRoSene | also it doesn't work correctly |
| 11:47.21 | *** join/#debian k0t0 (~k0t0@46.146.8.180) |
| 11:47.21 | BenNZ | babilen: i think thats fixed it , cheers , gdm i suppose is too old now |
| 11:47.44 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, i have a hard time believing that, but as someone else poited out, it can be as simple as some dumb plugin, not even inside the distro |
| 11:48.12 | *** join/#debian asias (~asias@ishoppink.com) |
| 11:48.14 | NapHtaKeRoSene | i have added nothing |
| 11:48.17 | babilen | BenNZ: Great! That might be the case, but this is still a bug. Given that gdm has been removed post-squeeze I am not sure how much sense it makes to report it. |
| 11:48.33 | NapHtaKeRoSene | disabled and deleted everything i don't need |
| 11:48.47 | NapHtaKeRoSene | and it's still bloated |
| 11:48.49 | *** join/#debian LordDeath (~LordDeath@cable-81-173-164-18.netcologne.de) |
| 11:49.09 | NapHtaKeRoSene | (at least i tried to delete what i don't need) |
| 11:49.23 | dutchfish | NapHtaKeRoSene, well, i gave you a hint to find out what is the culprit, that's th ebest i can do atm |
| 11:49.45 | matheus_ | i'm trying to find the official links but i dont find it |
| 11:49.46 | *** join/#debian ompaul (~ompaul@unaffiliated/ompaul) |
| 11:50.00 | NapHtaKeRoSene | dutchfish<< hopefully when i install xfce the problem will be solved |
| 11:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1197] by debhelper |
| 11:50.08 | *** join/#debian digitalmortician (~digitalmo@cafe.interxion.wlan.hotspot.nexellent.net) |
| 11:50.10 | BenNZ | babilen: ok , it was a minor issue with an easy fix , the fact slim worked was good , and i know why audio doesnt work in slim , or at least i think i do |
| 11:50.28 | valdyn | slim has audio? |
| 11:50.46 | BenNZ | valdyn: when i use slim the audio doesnt work |
| 11:51.03 | valdyn | BenNZ: coincidence |
| 11:52.00 | BenNZ | valdyn: i thought so , until i changed 3/4 times between gdm and slim |
| 11:52.11 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 11:52.15 | matheus_ | hahaha holy shit i forgot how nice aptitude is hahaha |
| 11:52.24 | matheus_ | so fun |
| 11:52.30 | *** join/#debian dju` (~dju`@home.dju.elegiac.net) |
| 11:52.32 | valdyn | BenNZ: the fact that slim might start a different X Session is that coincidence |
| 11:52.55 | matheus_ | BenNZ, i downloaded the debian with gnome, there's no problem if i install xfce right? |
| 11:53.17 | valdyn | matheus_: right |
| 11:53.22 | babilen | matheus_: No, not at all. In fact, you can use every Debian images to install XFCE in the first place. |
| 11:53.37 | babilen | !tell matheus_ -about install xfce |
| 11:53.44 | matheus_ | yeah i know that, but here in brazil internet connections sux at all |
| 11:53.58 | matheus_ | i suffered just to download a 700mb iso img hahaha |
| 11:54.03 | dju` | Hi! Can someone help me find out what is going wrong with my root-over-LVM-over-RAID1 boot? The boot sequence ends up early, no service are started, the root is mounted read-only... thanks |
| 11:54.14 | *** join/#debian jonas_g (~jonasg@c83-254-93-179.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 11:54.23 | valdyn | dju`: if you give us more information |
| 11:54.46 | *** join/#debian pierrep__ (~pierrep@bdv75-2-81-57-250-70.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:54.49 | *** join/#debian XiL (~BSD@188.126.73.232) |
| 11:54.59 | babilen | matheus_: The fact that Ubuntu uses a different name for their releases that install a different desktop environment by default is maybe easier for new users, but confuses intermediate ones. You can install all desktop environments at the same time and choose which one you want to use in your login manager. (Session setting) |
| 11:55.01 | *** join/#debian floe_ (~flo@e179020048.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:55.05 | valdyn | dju`: this sounds more likey root is not mounted at all and youre in the initrd busybox shell |
| 11:55.22 | dju` | valdyn: no, that is what surprises me |
| 11:55.28 | matheus_ | yeap |
| 11:55.41 | dju` | valdyn: /dev/mapper/vgsata-root is mounted on / |
| 11:55.52 | dju` | this is debian stable |
| 11:55.55 | valdyn | dju`: how do you know? |
| 11:56.01 | dju` | because mount says so |
| 11:56.19 | BenNZ | valdyn: then what would cause it not to work on slim? |
| 11:56.37 | valdyn | dju`: mount just reads /etc/mtab, it doesnt know |
| 11:56.52 | valdyn | dju`: try /proc/mounts instead |
| 11:56.55 | babilen | guesses that slim doesn't initialise pulseaudio correctly (provided that BenNZ is using that) |
| 11:57.02 | dju` | yeah but /etc/mtab links to /proc/mounts |
| 11:57.08 | valdyn | dju`: ok |
| 11:57.10 | matheus_ | babilen i know |
| 11:57.42 | dju` | actually it is mounted read-only over "rootfs" |
| 11:57.45 | babilen | matheus_: Good, not everybody does :) |
| 11:58.01 | BenNZ | babilen: i thought it might have been something similiar |
| 11:58.25 | *** join/#debian Phil (~phil@217.13.139.100) |
| 11:58.36 | mrtn86 | babilen, somiaj: it came as a surprise to me that aptitude has functionalities that apt-get doesn't. I always thought that apt-get, apt-cache etc are superior utilities than aptitude.. |
| 11:58.53 | matheus_ | i runned apt-get update && upgrade has been 6 minutes and still updating hahaha |
| 11:58.59 | BenNZ | babilen: but why would it be different between slim and gdm? |
| 11:59.12 | *** join/#debian tenthirteen (~ten13@unaffiliated/tenthirteen) |
| 11:59.14 | matheus_ | babilen, sure, you guys make a great job helping and teaching people here =] |
| 11:59.40 | *** join/#debian slacks (~slacks@p549EB69A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:00.36 | somiaj | mrtn86: aptitude now has super cow powers |
| 12:00.46 | matheus_ | gotta go smoke while it's updating |
| 12:01.22 | dju` | valdyn: but I guess the boot sequence stops (dunno why) before really mounting / rw by reading /etc/fstab |
| 12:01.23 | *** join/#debian FnorZ (~cthulhu@unaffiliated/fnorz) |
| 12:01.46 | dju` | valdyn: actually it seems that initscripts are not run at all |
| 12:04.10 | *** join/#debian Woet (~Woet@unaffiliated/woet) |
| 12:04.50 | *** join/#debian e1z0_ (~null@84.32.72.198) |
| 12:05.22 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 12:05.57 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 12:06.05 | XiL | I wrote a script that will should save some things when I power down my system. Deb is not really like archlinux here. Was wondering if I should put it in rc0.d?? |
| 12:06.39 | valdyn | dju`: can you post a screenshot? |
| 12:07.02 | valdyn | XiL: thats a bad idea anywhere |
| 12:07.29 | *** join/#debian lampe2 (~micha@f054130158.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:07.35 | dju` | valdyn: of the boot sequence ? |
| 12:07.52 | valdyn | XiL: you put the script into /etc/init.d/ and create symlinks or even better use a proper header in that script and use insserv |
| 12:08.13 | lampe2 | hey iam using dspam for spam scanning but it adds to every email something like this:!DSPAM:4f2d1f6b41211654016068! how can i disable that ? |
| 12:09.09 | *** join/#debian pfsmorigo (~pfsmorigo@189.54.225.222) |
| 12:09.15 | *** join/#debian Phil (~phil@217.13.139.100) |
| 12:09.17 | valdyn | dju`: yes |
| 12:09.24 | dju` | ok |
| 12:10.10 | XiL | valdyn since I am using a ssd I have put my tmp into a noexec tmpfs. Would like to rsync to the disk on shutdown. Could you elaborate a little on what you mean with a proper header. |
| 12:11.06 | valdyn | XiL: look at an init script shipped by debian: It lists depends for the script in a way that lets insserv create the proper symlink(s) in /etc/rc*.d automatically |
| 12:12.13 | dutchfish | lampe2, Preference "signatureLocation=headers" # can be 'message' or 'headers' |
| 12:12.14 | XiL | valdyn wicket nice. looking for some info on that |
| 12:12.43 | dju` | valdyn: mmm. don't know what happened but now the boot sequence goes further - but I get a lot of ext4 errors |
| 12:12.44 | valdyn | XiL: why does /tmp content need to be saved though? |
| 12:12.44 | *** join/#debian berserkr (~david@212.122.111.205.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 12:13.11 | lampe2 | thx dutchfish |
| 12:13.11 | jelly-home | is there a way to make gnu tar add files to archive in alphabetical order instead of directory entry order? |
| 12:13.15 | dju` | valdyn: resulting in services not starting correctly |
| 12:13.20 | *** join/#debian mikkidog (~william@bas16-ottawa23-845424428.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 12:13.51 | XiL | valdyn since I setup my system to multi-seat and I like to know what others are up to. Times they log in etc. |
| 12:14.09 | *** join/#debian Penix (~wenas@unaffiliated/penix) |
| 12:14.14 | dju` | is ext4 safe with stable? |
| 12:14.24 | XiL | dju yes |
| 12:14.30 | *** join/#debian parallels (~parallels@cpc14-enfi16-2-0-cust190.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 12:14.35 | dju` | I have doubts |
| 12:14.46 | *** join/#debian w00t (~null@84.32.72.198) |
| 12:16.06 | *** join/#debian juliuswea (~jlsvllnd@r2.studentenwerk-goettingen.net) |
| 12:17.00 | *** join/#debian aguitel (~aguitel@200.3.187.120) |
| 12:17.05 | *** join/#debian xett (~simpleirc@c114-77-79-9.brodm3.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 12:17.09 | *** join/#debian k1ng (~k1ng@unaffiliated/k1ng) |
| 12:17.16 | *** join/#debian grandie (~thomas@p57ACE88D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:17.40 | *** join/#debian zeroheroDeb (~zerohero@84-217-142-26.tn.glocalnet.net) |
| 12:18.05 | *** part/#debian juliuswea (~jlsvllnd@r2.studentenwerk-goettingen.net) |
| 12:18.48 | dutchfish | dju`, you could disabled the journaling, that way bitmapped is used as in ext3, but to my findings switching back and forth between ext3 and ext4 makes more problems then it is worth, ext4 is quiet capable of reataining integrity when configured right. |
| 12:19.13 | dutchfish | dju`, even in debian stable |
| 12:19.19 | valdyn | dutchfish: ext3 and 4 have the same journaling? |
| 12:19.25 | valdyn | dutchfish: or did you mean ext2 ? |
| 12:19.25 | dutchfish | valdyn, nope |
| 12:19.33 | dutchfish | valdyn, nope again |
| 12:19.40 | dju` | ok, then I guess I have hw problems |
| 12:19.56 | valdyn | dju`: hw problems should show as such |
| 12:19.56 | dutchfish | valdyn, but, ext4 can be configured to act on ext3 and leave ext3 intact |
| 12:20.07 | valdyn | dutchfish: yea |
| 12:20.25 | valdyn | it leaves it in tact by default iirc |
| 12:20.32 | dutchfish | valdyn, my point was that ext4 just adds benifits |
| 12:20.57 | dutchfish | valdyn, but converting ext3 to ext4 can have impact on performance |
| 12:21.13 | dutchfish | valdyn, at least for a long while on file seldom used |
| 12:21.16 | dju` | does the squeeze installer has a shell and can act as a rescue disc? |
| 12:21.33 | valdyn | dutchfish: yes i know, its a huge difference in some things, like large files |
| 12:21.48 | XiL | dju the way the journaling/inodes works makes things like fsck really fast and clean. Its actually hard to get rid of info...rm a file and use a program like photorec an its still there. Btrfs is damn nice but not yet safe. |
| 12:22.23 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-187.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 12:22.25 | dju` | ok |
| 12:22.39 | XiL | dju nothing wrong with ext3 just that ext4 has some extra bonuses |
| 12:22.53 | valdyn | I like btrfs, except that it still had problems with latency recently |
| 12:23.04 | dutchfish | valdyn, so recreating the volume from scratch with ext4 and restoring the backup is the best option; and using e4defrag inside debian stable is a no no for now. |
| 12:23.25 | XiL | btrfs will be a lot better with Linux 3.2 but I still would not use it on a server. |
| 12:23.32 | jelly-home | btrfs is useless at this point without valid backups |
| 12:23.43 | XiL | yes true |
| 12:24.05 | valdyn | hmm, so everywhere since everyone does backups ;) |
| 12:24.16 | dutchfish | i do |
| 12:24.17 | jelly-home | I'm still not using ext4 on servers unless I have to |
| 12:24.25 | XiL | rsync is your friend valdyn =) |
| 12:24.44 | *** join/#debian e1z0_ (~null@84.32.72.198) |
| 12:24.56 | dutchfish | ext4 over iscsii is my curent preferred way, at least at the newer kernels |
| 12:25.39 | dutchfish | and i use ext3 when performance is not a concern |
| 12:25.51 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 12:26.36 | *** join/#debian PsiKlops (~Trebor@46.115.35.159) |
| 12:27.23 | *** join/#debian e1z0 (~null@pdpc/supporter/7for7/e1z0) |
| 12:28.36 | *** join/#debian Phil (~phil@217.13.139.100) |
| 12:28.50 | nand` | Where can I learn more about how ls determines how to color things? Sometimes, files are inexplicably colored differently, even if the permission is the exact same (and neither are a symlink) |
| 12:29.16 | dutchfish | nand`, cat ~/.bashrc ? |
| 12:29.18 | nand` | Furthermore, ls decides to color all of my ntfs folders with a green background which makes them very unreadable, and I have no idea why, since the permissions don't reveal anything (at least not to me) |
| 12:30.05 | nand` | dutchfish: it's aliased as ls --color=auto |
| 12:31.21 | dutchfish | nand`, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Color_Bash_Prompt |
| 12:31.54 | XiL | Talk about file systems. I once actually found my root pw with photorec. One thing I would like to see is that swap is segmented and encrypted. When a file is deleted that segments key is trashed. OpenBSD works like this. |
| 12:31.58 | bassliner | dutchfish: that is just wrong, and has nothing to do with ls colours. |
| 12:32.34 | bassliner | dutchfish: apart from the fact that the arch wiki is an excellent place to get documentation. |
| 12:33.09 | bassliner | dutchfish: and apart from the fact that i would recommend the arch wiki for almost any other distribution, since arch seems to be the only distro with an excellent wiki out there |
| 12:33.20 | dutchfish | bassliner, maybe i misudertood then, you can tweak any aspect for ls, not only by auto coloring it, what do you mean? |
| 12:33.27 | nand` | oh, I figured out why some files were colored differently: it's because of the extension |
| 12:33.28 | XiL | bassliner the arch wiki is annoying good. dont know how they do it. |
| 12:33.37 | bassliner | XiL: by the community. |
| 12:33.43 | nand` | Either way, I still don't know what the green background is supposed to mean |
| 12:33.43 | bassliner | dutchfish: yes you can, but not with a bash prompt. |
| 12:33.57 | bassliner | dutchfish: and the bash prompt has nothing to do with ls. |
| 12:34.02 | dutchfish | bassliner, i lost you |
| 12:34.06 | *** join/#debian ryankey (~jebus@adsl-69-230-76-251.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 12:34.07 | bassliner | hm. |
| 12:34.13 | *** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@ip-89-102-236-54.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 12:34.31 | bassliner | nand`: as a workaround you can always unalias ls. |
| 12:34.50 | bassliner | nand`: like "unalias -a" (that will unalias everything tho) and just work on a plain shell. |
| 12:34.50 | *** join/#debian e1z0_ (~null@84.32.72.198) |
| 12:34.57 | nand` | bassliner: that's a work-around, I want to fix the issue |
| 12:35.05 | nand` | and note: I don't mean “I want to change the colors” |
| 12:35.07 | *** join/#debian nythrow (~nythrow@80.50.228.98) |
| 12:35.08 | bassliner | nand`: then check what ls is aliased to. |
| 12:35.09 | *** join/#debian osdearia (~mizerydea@cpe-65-30-35-48.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 12:35.13 | nand` | I want to find out why ls is telling me something and fix the underlying issue |
| 12:35.17 | nand` | so that it gets displayed with normal colors |
| 12:35.39 | nythrow | Hello guys. When I stop installing some packages aptitude marks it as packages to install. Is it possible to disable it? |
| 12:35.41 | bassliner | nand`: don't you think trying to find out *why* ls colours specific things would be a good starting point then? :) |
| 12:35.52 | nand` | bassliner: but I've already known that before I came here |
| 12:35.55 | nand` | so that's redundant |
| 12:36.06 | nand` | you're leading me around in circles |
| 12:36.21 | bassliner | nand`: ok seems like i really can't help you with that then. good luck. |
| 12:36.41 | *** join/#debian Woet (~Woet@unaffiliated/woet) |
| 12:36.55 | *** join/#debian tomboy_ (629c345d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.156.52.93) |
| 12:37.07 | *** join/#debian Phil` (~phil@217.13.139.100) |
| 12:37.20 | nand` | well, maybe you can help me with this: how do I find out the numeric code for a certain color? Is there some sort of script which will show them all next to their numbers? |
| 12:37.41 | *** join/#debian can-o-worms (~patrick@49.179.31.135) |
| 12:37.43 | XiL | valdyn looking around on the net. |
| 12:37.50 | *** join/#debian nyuszika7h (nyuszika7h@unaffiliated/nyuszika7h) |
| 12:38.58 | XiL | valdyn did you have any init script in mind? |
| 12:40.05 | XiL | found some stuff from 2004 |
| 12:40.16 | bassliner | nand`: http://paste.debian.net/154824/ |
| 12:40.33 | can-o-worms | Can someone please help me config Xorg to accept remote connections, I have removed -nolisten tcp but nmap gives me this -> 6000/tcp open X11 (access denied) |
| 12:41.30 | *** join/#debian sghe (~sghe@host97-133-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:42.32 | dutchfish | nand`, in the link i have are most of the colours, however you can always look at the source of binutils to figure out how ls works http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/coreutils.html |
| 12:43.09 | dutchfish | nand`, just dget -x http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/coreutils/coreutils_8.5-1.dsc |
| 12:44.01 | *** join/#debian hyppias (~hyppias@ip4da7fca5.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 12:44.33 | hyppias | how does aptitude know where to look for packages? in other words: where is that config file? |
| 12:45.12 | hyppias | cd etc |
| 12:45.24 | XiL | Seems to be some nejs and hech yeah as far as having noexec in fstab for tmp. I have it set for no. Yesterday will compiling ffmpeg I bumped into a problem (first time ever) with it. What is the Debian recommendation there? |
| 12:45.25 | robokop | hyppias: /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 12:45.34 | *** join/#debian r3c4ll (~r3c4ll@186.91.109.173) |
| 12:45.43 | *** join/#debian e1z0 (~null@pdpc/supporter/7for7/e1z0) |
| 12:46.57 | *** join/#debian HarryS (H@unaffiliated/harrys) |
| 12:48.09 | *** join/#debian pox456 (~pox@mne69-7-82-243-144-62.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:48.57 | *** join/#debian pse (~pse@91.204.209.133) |
| 12:48.57 | *** join/#debian pse (~pse@pdpc/supporter/active/pse) |
| 12:49.53 | dutchfish | nand`, inside src/ls.c are the references (and epxlanation) how LS_COLORS are being used, within the package source. |
| 12:50.02 | *** join/#debian trifolio6 (~h@84.127.74.155.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 12:50.09 | *** join/#debian grandie (~grandie@p57ACE88D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:50.29 | dutchfish | nand`, also the termcap colors are explained |
| 12:50.34 | *** join/#debian project2501a (~gmarselis@109.171.130.211) |
| 12:50.44 | *** join/#debian b_52globe (~b_52globe@41.249.94.230) |
| 12:50.45 | dutchfish | nand`, i hope this helps a bit |
| 12:50.53 | nand` | dutchfish: I managed to get rid of the offending color, chmod 700 fixed it |
| 12:51.23 | dutchfish | nand`, sure, but that altered the file in q |
| 12:51.29 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 12:51.29 | nand` | yeah |
| 12:51.32 | nand` | that's exactly what I was trying to do |
| 12:51.37 | nand` | set up the permissions so that it wouldn't occur |
| 12:51.53 | dutchfish | oh, then i completely misunderstood you, my mistake |
| 12:51.58 | nand` | no problem |
| 12:52.02 | nand` | that being said, I have more permission issues |
| 12:52.40 | nand` | how do I set up /etc/fstab so that my mounted file belongs to root:nand and has permissions 750? |
| 12:52.55 | nand` | Whenever I sudo mount -a, the permissions on the mount points get overwritten |
| 12:53.08 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 12:53.17 | dutchfish | bassliner, and sorry if i confused more then needed, i just was tired to be helpfull, my mistake. |
| 12:53.30 | dutchfish | s/tired/trying |
| 12:54.38 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@46.208.78.8) |
| 12:56.03 | nand` | and I can't just chmod the resulting mount points because they're read only |
| 12:56.30 | *** join/#debian lnxslck (~lnxslck@bl6-120-2.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 12:57.43 | dutchfish | nand`, not sure, if i get it right, but nouser prevents non root users |
| 12:58.13 | dutchfish | nand`, see man fstab |
| 12:58.48 | *** join/#debian Xanthine (~xanthine@rrcs-71-40-155-170.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 12:58.56 | dutchfish | nand`, you can't alter user privilidges with mount, but you can alter them when it is mounted as rw |
| 12:59.01 | nand` | ah, didn't realize fstab had a man pae |
| 12:59.03 | nand` | page* |
| 12:59.09 | bassliner | dutchfish: no worries. was just trying to not lead ppl in circles. :P |
| 12:59.11 | nand` | that helps, the option I was looking for was gid= and umask= |
| 12:59.25 | dutchfish | bassliner, no harm done, we just all do our best |
| 12:59.38 | *** join/#debian hartzie (~hartzie@dynamic-agbs-26.informatik.uni-bremen.de) |
| 12:59.55 | dutchfish | nand`, yes, but bare in mind you can;t filter what is not there |
| 13:00.25 | nand` | oh, does umask not work as I expected? |
| 13:00.48 | bassliner | dutchfish: to really point out where the colors come from: $LS_COLORS |
| 13:01.00 | nand` | seems it does not, umask=050 but the resulting permissions are “505” |
| 13:01.05 | *** join/#debian nythrow (~nythrow@80.50.228.98) |
| 13:01.16 | nythrow | Guys; what do you recommends to use? Aptitude or apt? |
| 13:01.22 | dutchfish | nand`, user ID however can point to non existing users, if it was mounted on another system with users that to excist there like 1004->someuser and curent system ha sno user for ID 1004 |
| 13:01.40 | *** join/#debian republic (~eko@112.215.64.73) |
| 13:01.45 | dutchfish | nand`, be carefull with that |
| 13:01.57 | nand` | oh |
| 13:02.02 | nand` | umask is inverted, I set it to “505” |
| 13:02.05 | nand` | and the resulting mode is 050 |
| 13:02.08 | nand` | perfect |
| 13:02.08 | dutchfish | yes |
| 13:02.19 | dutchfish | it's a mask |
| 13:02.24 | nand` | dutchfish: what's dangerous? gid=nand,umask=505 |
| 13:02.41 | nand` | this way only I (the only user of group nand) can read and browse the mounted partitions |
| 13:02.41 | dutchfish | no, i was talking about user ID's |
| 13:02.46 | nand` | and nobody can modify it since uid=root |
| 13:02.51 | dutchfish | (it depends on you FS) |
| 13:02.52 | nand` | oh |
| 13:02.54 | nand` | fs is ntfs |
| 13:03.01 | dutchfish | ok |
| 13:04.11 | dutchfish | also delve in (if available on your system) user mount options, per example if you want users to have read access |
| 13:04.38 | nand` | I want the partitions mounted automatically on boot, if that's what you meant |
| 13:04.45 | nand` | so the “user” flag doesn't help |
| 13:04.50 | nand` | hmm |
| 13:04.51 | dutchfish | yes |
| 13:05.05 | nand` | is it possible with ntfs to distinguish between directories and files? I want directories to have mode 050 and files to have mode 040 |
| 13:05.14 | *** join/#debian Okazaki-san (~Ota-kun@adsl-76-200-152-179.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:05.40 | dutchfish | i do not know, since i nver tried that |
| 13:06.17 | dutchfish | i normally mount through nfs those ntfs systems or use samba |
| 13:06.31 | dutchfish | which have there own ways of solving that |
| 13:07.01 | *** join/#debian lexoplex (~bwahaha@m60s19.vlinux.de) |
| 13:07.11 | *** join/#debian verwilst (~verwilst@2001:6a8:1100:cafe:8a53:2eff:fe0e:f72c) |
| 13:07.30 | dutchfish | prolly through extended file atributes |
| 13:08.27 | nand` | oh, ntfs accepts fmask |
| 13:08.32 | nand` | seems it's undocumented |
| 13:08.43 | dutchfish | nand`, also take a peak here http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:08.58 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@adsl-108-204-212-73.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:08.59 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 13:09.25 | dutchfish | nand`, specially acl's |
| 13:09.56 | *** join/#debian MrJ0NeS (~ffdsafs@65.87.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 13:10.10 | nand` | yeah, thanks for the link. I don't think I'll need it since I'm the only user on the system who should be able to read the NTFS partitions (apart from root) |
| 13:10.20 | dutchfish | ok, good luck |
| 13:10.27 | nand` | but it's good to keep in mind if I ever want to set up something more complex |
| 13:10.34 | dutchfish | nods |
| 13:10.56 | *** join/#debian n3lThon (~n3lThon@bl21-127-25.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 13:12.07 | n3lThon | hi, I removed all files under /etc/asterisk, but now apt-get dont copy the files again during the reinstall. How can I force apt-get to copy files again |
| 13:12.14 | *** join/#debian bs0d (~bs0d@sa-175-178.saturn.infonet.ee) |
| 13:12.59 | bs0d | Hello everybody. Is wheezy branch also discussed here or not? |
| 13:14.37 | *** join/#debian att (~att@186.213.46.191) |
| 13:16.13 | somiaj | bs0d: /topic #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is prefered but you can ask your question here. |
| 13:16.22 | somiaj | bs0d: usually answer is check the bts first |
| 13:17.27 | dutchfish | somiaj, this is a nice link for a global drill down overview http://edos.debian.net/weather/ |
| 13:17.59 | *** join/#debian hivemind (~hivemind@91.149.109.26) |
| 13:18.55 | *** join/#debian Kaede_ (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede) |
| 13:19.14 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 13:19.40 | *** join/#debian mezod (~nnscript@e181030191.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 13:19.40 | *** join/#debian mezod (~nnscript@unaffiliated/mezod) |
| 13:19.52 | *** join/#debian StefandeVries (~stefan@unaffiliated/stefandevries) |
| 13:19.53 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@adsl-108-204-212-73.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:19.53 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 13:20.07 | dutchfish | s/somiaj/bs0d |
| 13:20.24 | *** join/#debian bodom (~quassel@2001:470:1f0b:ac0::2) |
| 13:20.29 | *** join/#debian Iridos (~boo@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 13:20.47 | *** join/#debian Kull (~neo@bas1-london47-1279597594.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 13:20.48 | somiaj | dutchfish: I think I like the rain |
| 13:21.30 | somiaj | thundershowers mostly. |
| 13:21.59 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@c114-77-11-48.brasd3.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 13:22.00 | *** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 13:22.35 | *** join/#debian sk99 (~sk99@ti0060a340-dhcp0342.bb.online.no) |
| 13:22.39 | bs0d | somiaj: I think I like rain too, if compared to damned cold we have in here..freezing |
| 13:23.00 | *** join/#debian vandal- (~van@ip-37-85.zax.pl) |
| 13:23.22 | somiaj | bs0d: I was commenting on dutchfish link, Im' running sid amd64, have been for years. |
| 13:23.27 | shaullx | guys i have a problem on my server, fdisk -l outputs that i have 2 devices of 120gb and one of 108gb, yet only one of them boots (i only have 100gb space atm), how do i boot the others? |
| 13:23.57 | bs0d | shaullx: use boot loader? grub / lilo ? |
| 13:24.11 | *** join/#debian grazymax (~grazymax@host52-26-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:24.24 | *** join/#debian hubutm20 (~hubutm20@79.114.15.36) |
| 13:25.33 | shaullx | i don't really have any idea on how to do that, don't wanna screw anything up, how about the linux raid configuration in webmin? there's a create RAID device option there, would this be what i need? |
| 13:25.54 | Iridos | what? |
| 13:26.27 | Iridos | I don't think you yet (really) said what you want to achive |
| 13:27.38 | *** join/#debian Cain (~Geek@unaffiliated/cain) |
| 13:27.41 | shaullx | my server is suppose to have x2 120GB SSD devices, yet i only see 100gb, and 10gb swap |
| 13:27.50 | shaullx | yet fdisk -l lists 3 devices it seems |
| 13:27.58 | shaullx | 2 for 120gb and one for 100gb |
| 13:28.08 | Iridos | that's got nuffin to do with booting |
| 13:28.18 | shaullx | so how come i don't see them? |
| 13:28.24 | *** join/#debian nagarkot (~nagarkot_@202.33.100.220.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 13:29.04 | *** join/#debian nagarkot (~nagarkot_@202.33.100.220.dy.bbexcite.jp) |
| 13:29.05 | Iridos | well... depends :) |
| 13:29.46 | shaullx | on what? :o |
| 13:29.47 | Iridos | either you just haven't mounted it, or it could be a mirroring raid |
| 13:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1207] by debhelper |
| 13:30.05 | shaullx | how would i check which one is it |
| 13:30.24 | *** join/#debian oh-12581 (~oh-12581@2a01:4f8:100:3ffc:dead:beef:caff:2) |
| 13:30.41 | Iridos | how do you "see" the drives now? Type "mount" and see what drives you see there |
| 13:31.25 | *** join/#debian mavhc (~mavhc@cpc3-basf10-2-0-cust617.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 13:32.04 | *** join/#debian zir0faive (~zir0faive@rc137-1-82-233-159-60.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 13:32.15 | *** join/#debian oh-12581_ (~oh-12581@2a01:4f8:100:3ffc:dead:beef:caff:2) |
| 13:32.18 | shaullx | Iridos, http://pastebin.com/EAUaQRpN |
| 13:32.21 | *** join/#debian hartzie (~hartzie@eduroam-pool6-0064.wlan.uni-bremen.de) |
| 13:32.44 | *** join/#debian lovesnow (~user@59.172.71.117) |
| 13:32.53 | *** join/#debian phorce1 (~gvl2@pdpc/supporter/active/phorce1) |
| 13:33.07 | *** join/#debian BorisR (~boris@91.212.239.215) |
| 13:33.09 | *** join/#debian carandraug (~carandrau@octave/developer/carandraug) |
| 13:35.18 | *** part/#debian lovesnow (~user@59.172.71.117) |
| 13:39.26 | *** part/#debian BorisR (~boris@91.212.239.215) |
| 13:39.50 | *** join/#debian DragonSlay (~DragonSla@unaffiliated/dragonslay) |
| 13:40.12 | *** join/#debian phorce1 (~gvl2@76.210.235.160) |
| 13:40.13 | *** join/#debian phorce1 (~gvl2@pdpc/supporter/active/phorce1) |
| 13:40.14 | DragonSlay | print to file not working in firefox, how can i enable it? |
| 13:40.29 | xand | there is no firefox in debian |
| 13:40.39 | *** join/#debian asias (~asias@ishoppink.com) |
| 13:41.07 | DragonSlay | i downloaded the tar.gz file from firefox website |
| 13:41.23 | xand | I'm afraid that's not supported in here... |
| 13:41.38 | xand | ask in the firefox channel? |
| 13:41.52 | shaullx | so could anyone help me with my problem? :x |
| 13:42.08 | DragonSlay | but printer problems relate to debian right? |
| 13:42.42 | xand | print to file is not printing |
| 13:42.47 | xand | it is creating a file |
| 13:43.00 | xand | shaullx: er, you want to mount your other harddisks? |
| 13:43.15 | shaullx | yup |
| 13:43.53 | DragonSlay | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/<create a directory> |
| 13:44.55 | *** join/#debian pLk (~mail@xdslap018.osnanet.de) |
| 13:46.14 | shaullx | so currently i have only sda1 mounted? |
| 13:46.31 | DragonSlay | do you have gparted? |
| 13:46.35 | shaullx | and once i mount sdb1 would it auto mount on each boot? |
| 13:46.36 | shaullx | nope |
| 13:46.41 | valdyn | DragonSlay: why do you think its not working anyway? |
| 13:47.05 | DragonSlay | valdyn: bcoz the option didn;t show up in print menu |
| 13:47.09 | shaullx | installing gparted :3 |
| 13:47.46 | DragonSlay | shaullx: to mount it everytime , ou need to enter them in fstab |
| 13:47.56 | valdyn | DragonSlay: you could use cups-pdf |
| 13:48.06 | valdyn | DragonSlay: just install it |
| 13:48.28 | *** join/#debian kotrcka (~Peter@ip-78-45-59-145.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 13:48.36 | shaullx | DragonSlay, in gparted, both sda and sdb show the exact same info |
| 13:48.38 | DragonSlay | valdyn: ok then? |
| 13:48.50 | DragonSlay | shaullx: same info? |
| 13:48.59 | shaullx | same partitions |
| 13:49.23 | shaullx | same used/unused space |
| 13:49.28 | shaullx | same label |
| 13:49.38 | shaullx | only partitions are different (sdb1/sda1 etc) |
| 13:49.42 | *** join/#debian echo-area (~user@123.120.240.233) |
| 13:49.49 | *** join/#debian mstsc (mstsc@46.246.71.159) |
| 13:49.53 | mstsc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.06 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|2 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:d148:47c9:b8ea:f639) |
| 13:50.10 | Iridos | shaullx, well, it's set up in a raid in some way - and as it's only 2 disks, it should be a mirroring raid. That means everything you write to disk is written to both disks and if one of them fails, it can be replaced and restored from the other |
| 13:50.20 | xand | mstsc: run along. |
| 13:50.39 | Iridos | <--- gorn |
| 13:50.43 | shaullx | oh, so the other one is sorta like a backup disk? |
| 13:50.54 | Iridos | yes, but only "sorta" |
| 13:51.02 | shaullx | i see |
| 13:51.04 | echo-area | Hi, after upgrading to keyboard-configuration, the XKBOPTIONS doesn't work on console. My setting is XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:swapcaps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp". Does anyone know how to make it work? Thanks |
| 13:51.15 | Iridos | only protects you somewhat from disk failure, not from overwriting/deleting data |
| 13:51.25 | shaullx | yeah i understand |
| 13:51.27 | shaullx | thanks |
| 13:52.05 | *** join/#debian zendeavor (zendeavor@pool-71-179-255-41.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 13:53.18 | *** join/#debian drac_h (~drac@2001:ad0:901:1:54ca:e07b:9b5f:4630) |
| 13:53.38 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 13:53.50 | shaullx | also, i'm wondering if there's any tool or command to show me all my publicly open ports? |
| 13:54.09 | *** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.245.95) |
| 13:54.24 | *** join/#debian Jman|laptop (~Jguylapto@c-71-201-148-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 13:54.38 | shaullx | my OVH manager lists a bunch of ports which aren't open, like vino which i removed and a few other stuff, i'd like to make sure what's open and what's not |
| 13:55.13 | Cain | shaullx : netstat -lntpu |
| 13:56.10 | shaullx | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5900 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5504/vino-server |
| 13:56.14 | shaullx | how is it still running |
| 13:56.16 | shaullx | i removed it |
| 13:56.17 | shaullx | :3 |
| 13:56.41 | *** join/#debian floe_ (~flo@e179017033.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 13:57.11 | xand | I guess the remove didn't stop the service. you can delete a file that is open and it will remain open/there till it closes |
| 13:57.24 | NapHtaKeRoSene | ahaha kill it with fire! http://screenshots.lunar-linux.org/lunar-screenshots/users/DesktopImage |
| 13:57.44 | shaullx | also, why do i have perl listening? o.o |
| 13:58.10 | *** join/#debian Knorre`BNC (~Knorre3@217.18.70.242) |
| 13:58.14 | ompaul | shaullx: did you shut it down first? |
| 13:59.07 | Kuifje111 | shaullx: kill -9 5504 |
| 13:59.12 | DragonSlay | valdyn: not working |
| 13:59.43 | jelly-home | shaullx: some service init scripts are buggy enough not to confirm the service processes are actually stopped, but merely telling them to die |
| 13:59.59 | shaullx | Kuifje111, thanks |
| 14:00.30 | shaullx | if the address at the netstat lists as 0.0.0.0 means it's listening publicly right? |
| 14:00.41 | *** join/#debian poincare101 (~dhaivat@CPE-65-27-96-82.new.res.rr.com) |
| 14:01.49 | *** join/#debian kuhkatz (~kuhkatz@gateway/tor-sasl/kuhkatz) |
| 14:01.52 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~michael@99.56.172.57) |
| 14:04.34 | ompaul | shaullx: well what it means is that it is listening on all interfaces modems lancards wireless whatever is there and available - iptables might be saying deny access to all outsiders |
| 14:05.11 | ompaul | shaullx: so netstat sees the listen but knows nothing of the deny from iptables if they are in operation |
| 14:06.29 | shaullx | i don't have any iptables setup at the moment :3 |
| 14:06.33 | shaullx | don't know much about setting it up |
| 14:07.06 | shaullx | afraid i would mess stuff up :3 |
| 14:08.06 | *** join/#debian buscon (~buscon@e179069175.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 14:08.46 | *** join/#debian kotrcka (~Peter@ip-78-45-59-145.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 14:09.02 | *** join/#debian wildc4rd (~nick@213-152-46-159.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) |
| 14:09.33 | *** join/#debian engla (~engla@90-229-236-112-no153.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 14:09.33 | *** join/#debian engla (~engla@wikipedia/Sverdrup) |
| 14:10.44 | *** join/#debian MariusKarthaus (~phpIDE.ne@5418654F.cm-5-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 14:11.14 | *** join/#debian drinkycrow (~whoreface@c-68-58-76-30.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 14:12.09 | *** join/#debian Veemon_ (~Veemon@unaffiliated/veemon) |
| 14:12.15 | *** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-98-97-3.as13285.net) |
| 14:13.13 | *** join/#debian v116v (~v116v@79.108.241.20.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 14:13.26 | *** join/#debian bocaneri (~sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin) |
| 14:14.49 | *** join/#debian deadalnix (~deadalnix@APuteaux-651-1-96-69.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:15.10 | *** join/#debian wrksx (~wrksx@ip-199.net-89-2-252.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 14:15.24 | *** join/#debian morphje (~morphje@morphje.xs4all.nl) |
| 14:17.10 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~michael@99.56.172.57) |
| 14:19.11 | *** join/#debian davidisko (~davidisko@nat-88-212-37-34.antik.sk) |
| 14:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1214] by debhelper |
| 14:20.27 | wrksx | dudes my box is able to send mails, what package is responsible for that ability ? |
| 14:21.07 | wrksx | I just added a mailadress in my cron and it sends cron results to my mail |
| 14:21.43 | *** join/#debian bsdnux (~markus@93-82-113-33.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 14:21.59 | *** join/#debian pullphing (pullphing@c-24-13-71-78.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 14:22.03 | thewanderer1 | wrksx, by default exim4... but it depends on the MTA you're using |
| 14:22.27 | wrksx | thewanderer1, i belive i use the default since I didn't install any mta |
| 14:22.46 | thewanderer1 | that's it, then |
| 14:23.02 | wrksx | thewanderer1, is there many differences beetween exim and postfix ? |
| 14:23.53 | thewanderer1 | I don't use exim4 on a daily basis, so I wouldn't know about maintenance... they have vastly different configuration capabilities, though |
| 14:24.17 | *** join/#debian Phil (~phil@2001:0:4137:9e76:28df:22cf:26f2:749b) |
| 14:24.58 | wrksx | thewanderer1, I assume they can both assume the basics mta functionnality |
| 14:25.12 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 14:25.17 | wrksx | like receive and send mail |
| 14:25.31 | thewanderer1 | it's about integrating with other stuff like dovecot, SQL servers, LDAP data sources etc |
| 14:25.35 | *** part/#debian DragonSlay (~DragonSla@unaffiliated/dragonslay) |
| 14:25.37 | wrksx | ok |
| 14:25.45 | bsdnux | my backup script uses lvm snapshots. today i noticed that a snapshot wasn't removed after completing the backup, and i can't remove it manually, it claims to be open (can't remove open logical volume xxx). dmsetup remove volume--snapshot fails too (device-mapper: remove ioctl failed: device or resource busy). |
| 14:25.51 | wrksx | thewanderer1, what are you using as a mta ? |
| 14:25.58 | *** join/#debian asarch (~asarch@187.171.206.63) |
| 14:25.59 | thewanderer1 | wrksx, postfix |
| 14:26.03 | wrksx | ah lol |
| 14:26.21 | wrksx | what is the functionality that exim misses for your usage ? |
| 14:26.54 | *** join/#debian takisd (~takisd@60-241-76-191.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 14:27.01 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, see what's holding it open, then (fuser or lsof) |
| 14:27.07 | thewanderer1 | wrksx, mostly "having a comprehensive yet comprehensible howto on plugging it into a greater system" |
| 14:27.44 | *** join/#debian SeySayux_ (~SeySayux@libsylph/developer/seysayux) |
| 14:27.44 | thewanderer1 | I simply would have no idea how to do that (virtual mailboxes, aliases etc) in exim :P |
| 14:28.01 | bs0d | thewanderer1: btw fuser and lsof hows what holding open, but how to unlock, if for example some process has locked the device? |
| 14:28.11 | wrksx | thewanderer1, ok thanks for your help I gotta go now, but you gave me some cool hints =) |
| 14:28.13 | bsdnux | thewanderer1, fuser and lsof don't tell me anything... |
| 14:28.16 | bs0d | are there any tools, like unlocker for windows? |
| 14:28.32 | thewanderer1 | bs0d, it's called "kill"... |
| 14:28.42 | *** join/#debian Xix19 (~opera@188.26.149.241) |
| 14:28.43 | *** join/#debian Mollynezu (~sdfsd@tmo-106-98.customers.d1-online.com) |
| 14:28.53 | *** join/#debian calbasi (~joan@197.221.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 14:29.05 | bs0d | thewanderer1: once I have encountered a problem that even kill did not help.. it did not kill the hanged process. This was weird |
| 14:29.14 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, so nothing is holding it open according to the system, but it has an "active" flag? hmm... what does lvdisplay say? does it list it as open? |
| 14:29.54 | thewanderer1 | bs0d, if a process is in D state, you can't kill it and that's it - this should never happen, and if it does, you have to wait till it exits the I/O syscall or reboot |
| 14:30.03 | *** join/#debian floe_ (~flo@e179006230.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 14:30.15 | thewanderer1 | should never happen for prolonged periods of time, I should say |
| 14:30.40 | *** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@2001:4dd0:fc0c:0:6e62:6dff:fe4a:e47d) |
| 14:30.44 | *** join/#debian MrJ0NeS (~ffdsafs@228.87.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 14:31.19 | bs0d | thewanderer1: yes, thats true. I've met such condition only once. Quite rare occasion |
| 14:31.32 | Xix19 | between gentoo and debian, which is better to host a web server? |
| 14:32.11 | bsdnux | thewanderer1, it says LV snapshot status: active destination for xxx, LV Status available. none of my lvs displays a "open" flag... |
| 14:32.12 | thewanderer1 | Xix19, we're not distro arbiters... besides, what do you expect in #debian channel? :P |
| 14:32.23 | *** join/#debian bocaneri (~sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin) |
| 14:32.25 | morphje | Xix19, i would say suse XD |
| 14:32.31 | thewanderer1 | oh come on :P |
| 14:32.37 | *** join/#debian _Mikey (~mikey@5e014a52.bb.sky.com) |
| 14:32.46 | themill | Xix19: if you want a stable platform that just works, then you don't want a moving target. |
| 14:32.48 | Xix19 | thewanderer1: yeah, but you could give me objective differences between the 2 as they relate to the daily runings of a web server |
| 14:32.52 | *** join/#debian chasckbv (~debian-b@186.149.129.223) |
| 14:33.07 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, so #open says 0 on the LV? |
| 14:33.31 | Xix19 | command-line operated only |
| 14:33.34 | Xix19 | no UI is needed |
| 14:33.39 | bs0d | Xix19: If you want something stable and just working out of the box - then debian is a good choice. Gentoo is good if you like to tweak your system and love the building process and masochism that comes with that :P |
| 14:33.42 | bsdnux | thewanderer1: ah, now i see it… thought it was a comment because of #.. *facepalm*. open says 4 |
| 14:33.48 | morphje | Xix19, go figure. debian is known to use stable software, but lacks frequent update to the lastest version. Gentoo the other way around. do you prefer cutting edge or stable stuff ? |
| 14:33.51 | *** join/#debian tomboy__ (629c345d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.156.52.93) |
| 14:34.00 | thewanderer1 | Xix19, debian has binary updates, on Gentoo you compile them. you'll likely get different software versions on Gentoo and Debian, too... that's almost all :P |
| 14:34.12 | Xix19 | morphje: I prefer stable over cutting-edge |
| 14:34.23 | morphje | then your choice is easy isn't it ? |
| 14:34.41 | *** join/#debian Aiwass (~user@188.27.117.229) |
| 14:34.52 | morphje | and better yet, you don't want a compiler on your webserver for that matter ;) |
| 14:35.05 | Xix19 | is that the only difference? software updates slower? (which is a bit good for me) |
| 14:35.07 | *** part/#debian Aiwass (~user@188.27.117.229) |
| 14:35.13 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, then it looks like it's opened by 4 processes... hmm, did you call lsof as root? it should show something (or maybe it's mounted?) |
| 14:35.17 | Xix19 | morphje: I do want a compiler |
| 14:35.18 | tomboy__ | I'm installing dictd and want to peek at what installing all available databases along with it would cost. How do I do this? |
| 14:35.21 | *** join/#debian dagget_ (~dagget@178.219.244.155) |
| 14:35.26 | themill | Xix19: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 14:35.31 | morphje | Xix19, well that's not only it, just the most important difference |
| 14:35.37 | Xix19 | morphje: I want to write my own scripts to run on it, and maybe compile them for speed |
| 14:35.41 | *** join/#debian Cybertinus (~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl) |
| 14:35.42 | thewanderer1 | Xix19, you have a compiler on Debian :P |
| 14:35.43 | bsdnux | thewanderer1, yes, i called it from root, and no, it's not mounted |
| 14:35.56 | themill | tomboy__: cost? |
| 14:35.58 | Xix19 | thewanderer1: good |
| 14:36.24 | tomboy__ | themill: What dependendices will be installed and how much space it will all "cost", take up. |
| 14:36.26 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, do other snapshots depend on this one? i.e. do you have snapshots of this snapshot? O.o |
| 14:36.58 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 14:36.59 | Xix19 | how does the softare update? automatically? |
| 14:37.05 | themill | tomboy__: aptitude -s install dictd dictd-jargon (etc etc). |
| 14:37.19 | Xix19 | or do I have to tell it to update through some command? maybe add this command to a cron? |
| 14:37.26 | tomboy__ | themill: And -s is "pretend" or something? |
| 14:37.51 | morphje | Xix19, congrats you've just answered your own question ;) |
| 14:37.51 | thewanderer1 | !tell Xix19 about unattended-upgrades |
| 14:37.57 | *** join/#debian Miss_Anthropie (~blob@gssn-5f754069.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 14:37.58 | bs0d | Xix19: as you cofigure apt. You can configure it for automatic updates, and for manual ones .. anyway .. update norification will come and manual update is as just run one single update command |
| 14:38.08 | bsdnux | thewanderer1, no, i don't do double snapshots… lol. this snapshot is created by a script that is run daily to backup stuff using rsync and then it should be deleted again. |
| 14:38.20 | themill | tomboy__: simulate. (man aptitude) |
| 14:38.24 | Xix19 | morphje: nice |
| 14:38.36 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, it's interesting that it has open count at 4, though... I've never managed to bump it over one. clearly, something is going on... |
| 14:39.47 | tomboy__ | themill: Thanks, but how do I tell it to just just install all available databases? There are quite a lot to type in. |
| 14:40.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1223] by debhelper |
| 14:40.43 | tomboy__ | thinks... starts to realize this command probably doesn't exist.... |
| 14:41.36 | hyppias | installing Debian 6 on an usb stick. which filesystem is the file boot.img.gz? |
| 14:42.00 | *** join/#debian chasing`Sol (~cS@197.132.138.160) |
| 14:42.00 | ompaul | tomboy__: -s does |
| 14:42.03 | hyppias | vfat? ext2? |
| 14:42.10 | themill | tomboy__: aptitude's search syntax can be used on the install line too: "aptitude -s install dictd ~n^dict-." /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 14:42.49 | *** join/#debian Python1320 (~python132@2001:470:dd3b:1ee7:e881:acbb:be02:accf) |
| 14:42.49 | *** join/#debian Python1320 (~python132@unaffiliated/python1320) |
| 14:42.51 | *** join/#debian Archtivity (~Archtivit@static62-99-203-150vienna-neutor-xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:42.53 | *** join/#debian albech (~thomas@1503033774.dong.dbnet.dk) |
| 14:43.50 | *** join/#debian raz (~raz@unaffiliated/raz) |
| 14:44.00 | *** join/#debian rage7 (~rage@AAmiens-157-1-87-109.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:44.16 | bsdnux | thewanderer1: now i found it, losetup -a has it listed 4 times |
| 14:44.21 | *** join/#debian jkfod (~Greg_od@79.140.10.117) |
| 14:44.59 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 14:45.06 | *** join/#debian erikja (~erikja@0x57393315.abnqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 14:45.09 | *** join/#debian skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) |
| 14:45.27 | tomboy__ | themill: Yea, me globbed through half of it :D |
| 14:45.40 | bsdnux | thewanderer1: might be because it's a ntfs partition that's loop mounted with an offset and somehow not "unlooped" on failure. |
| 14:45.43 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, yeah well, having 4 loop devices open can't be good (why loopback, anyway? O.o ) |
| 14:45.47 | thewanderer1 | aha |
| 14:45.48 | tomboy__ | themill: 77 mb, not bad. |
| 14:46.10 | bsdnux | xen domU running windows, that's why |
| 14:46.58 | themill | tomboy__: it's not actually globbing but a regexp btw. Aptitude wanted 135MB for me -- I guess you already have some installed. |
| 14:46.58 | bsdnux | loop: can't delete device /dev/loop0: Device or resource busy |
| 14:46.59 | bsdnux | dammit |
| 14:47.03 | *** join/#debian err404 (~err404@2a01:e35:8a1c:7b20:214:85ff:fe32:af1d) |
| 14:47.15 | thewanderer1 | bsdnux, now at least you have a string for lsof (or mount) grepping |
| 14:47.46 | *** join/#debian panthrodeb (~paolo@200.58.70.4) |
| 14:47.48 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 14:48.14 | morphje | bsdnux, how does that run btw? haven't used xen since 3.1 orso |
| 14:48.17 | *** join/#debian ring0 (~ring0@unaffiliated/ring0) |
| 14:48.30 | morphje | (except for that frozen loop device offcourse) |
| 14:48.46 | bsdnux | morphje, xen 4 runs fine. i just recently upgraded from 3.1 |
| 14:49.04 | morphje | i was referring to that windows guest ;) |
| 14:49.18 | tomboy__ | themill: So cool! I'm getting like 30 dictionaries at the press of a button! |
| 14:49.40 | bsdnux | morphje, using the gnu pv drivers it runs like a charm (it's still windows though). |
| 14:49.43 | *** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@201.78.17.110) |
| 14:49.44 | *** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632) |
| 14:49.53 | *** part/#debian takisd (~takisd@60-241-76-191.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 14:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1232] by debhelper |
| 14:50.06 | *** join/#debian calbasi (~joan@197.221.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 14:50.17 | morphje | bsdnux, yeah well it's still a poorly debugged set of device drivers, but we still have to occupy this imperfect world ;) |
| 14:51.24 | morphje | i kinda abondoned xen when releases were only citrix sided and would cost loads of money. only recently took a new interest in it again |
| 14:51.43 | morphje | public releases were pretty poor for a while |
| 14:51.47 | bsdnux | i also upgraded the domU to win 2008r2, used 2003 before. no complaints so far. transition was more or less smooth to (i simply mirror mounted the lv from the old host using iscsi on the new machine and waited til sync finished). |
| 14:51.48 | *** join/#debian v116v (~v116v@79.108.241.20.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 14:52.32 | *** join/#debian sukkel (~sukkel@92.66.67.153) |
| 14:52.37 | *** join/#debian SFENCE (~SFENCE@a04-0936a.kn.vutbr.cz) |
| 14:52.38 | *** join/#debian sukkel (~sukkel@unaffiliated/sukkel) |
| 14:52.44 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 14:53.48 | bsdnux | alright, can i simply kill the loops? because apart from listing the process ids i don't get much info from lsof... |
| 14:54.38 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 14:55.01 | *** join/#debian prbz (~prebz@c83-254-51-59.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 14:55.03 | *** join/#debian overnout (~nnn@cpe-159760.ip.primehome.com) |
| 14:55.17 | *** join/#debian ndrs__ (~andres@86-44-167-217-dynamic.b-ras3.chf.cork.eircom.net) |
| 14:55.30 | *** join/#debian geekosopher (~nitesh@unaffiliated/mistrynitesh) |
| 14:55.36 | *** join/#debian Eulex (~alex@h-234-179.a189.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 14:56.00 | morphje | you could umount -f |
| 14:56.11 | *** join/#debian dysoco (~dylan@host154.201-252-47.telecom.net.ar) |
| 14:56.52 | bsdnux | the problem is, that it's not mounted... |
| 14:56.56 | bsdnux | umount: /dev/loop0: not mounted |
| 14:57.01 | morphje | errr.... |
| 14:57.02 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 14:57.18 | morphje | and killing the process ? |
| 14:57.43 | *** join/#debian ceed^ (~irssi@76-253-64-19.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 14:58.00 | bsdnux | does nothing... |
| 14:58.48 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 14:58.57 | morphje | http://panoskrt.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/xen-guest-and-and-loop-device-being-already-used/ |
| 14:59.09 | *** join/#debian lnxslck (~lnxslck@bl6-120-2.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 15:00.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1239] by debhelper |
| 15:00.24 | *** join/#debian asias (~asias@ishoppink.com) |
| 15:00.24 | *** join/#debian Flechmen_disconn (flechmen@66.85.155.60) |
| 15:01.03 | *** join/#debian skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) |
| 15:01.05 | bsdnux | i'm not really using this snapshot in a xen domU. it somehow got stuck because of a bad offset or something. (dmesg: NTFS-fs error (device loop0): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary boot sector is invalid.) and now it got looped 4 times but not mounted... |
| 15:01.27 | *** join/#debian wooden (~anon@user-1087hp5.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 15:01.27 | *** join/#debian wooden (~anon@pdpc/supporter/active/wooden) |
| 15:02.48 | morphje | but since it is snapshotted to a disk, the xenstore could still lock it somehow as in the article at the end. Worth a shot to me |
| 15:03.45 | morphje | aaaaarghhh. never knew that there that many pieces of blogsoftware. i should never have tried to google that |
| 15:04.17 | *** join/#debian boudiccas (~boztu@host-92-20-150-11.as13285.net) |
| 15:04.18 | *** join/#debian boudiccas (~boztu@unaffiliated/boudiccas) |
| 15:04.23 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 15:04.25 | *** join/#debian Sweetshark (~bjoern@port-91536.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 15:04.25 | *** join/#debian Sweetshark (~bjoern@canonical/sweetshark) |
| 15:05.52 | *** join/#debian edog (~edog@178.163.157.213) |
| 15:07.04 | *** join/#debian MarKsaitis (~MarKsaiti@cpc4-rdng22-2-0-cust932.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 15:07.25 | dysoco | I've heard that Testing and Sid are bad these days, is that true ? |
| 15:08.04 | SFENCE | Hello everbody. I have problem with link library. I have dynamic library in directory /usr/local/lib and if I exec program, this program cannot find this library. I read file /etc/ld.so.conf and there is "include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf". In file /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf is "/usr/local/lib". I know, that I can use command "env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ./myProgram", but I want to use only easy command "./myProgram". Is there anybody who knows |
| 15:08.10 | *** join/#debian HeXiLeD (~H3X@69.196.165.41) |
| 15:08.10 | *** join/#debian HeXiLeD (~H3X@unaffiliated/hexiled) |
| 15:08.21 | *** join/#debian shaullx (Dunamis@31.210.186.211) |
| 15:10.13 | *** join/#debian ia (~ia@89.169.161.244) |
| 15:12.11 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.148.226) |
| 15:12.24 | *** part/#debian Xix19 (~opera@188.26.149.241) |
| 15:13.21 | *** join/#debian Commander1024_ (~Commander@ip-109-91-237-97.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 15:15.05 | *** join/#debian Ealdor (~Ealdor@211.Red-79-144-67.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:16.14 | *** join/#debian streuner (~streuner@mnhm-4d01b4b4.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 15:16.50 | *** join/#debian gamer1990 (~znc@unaffiliated/gamer1990) |
| 15:17.32 | *** join/#debian lnxslck (~lnxslck@bl6-120-2.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 15:18.07 | *** join/#debian mezood (~nnscript@e181012228.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:19.23 | *** join/#debian bwana147 (~cbouvi@82.101.21.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 15:19.51 | bsdnux | ah well, i'll simply change my backup script to use another lvm label and wait for another reason/opportunity to reboot for now… |
| 15:20.05 | *** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br) |
| 15:20.17 | *** join/#debian Mephisto (~Mephisto@89.28.122.14) |
| 15:21.06 | *** join/#debian qelsi (~qelsi@184.Red-83-36-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:22.13 | themill | tomboy__: yeah, debian's great like that ;) and aptitude is a powerful tool to let you do things |
| 15:22.49 | bs0d | I have a question on upgrading squeeze. When running aptitude dist-upgrade, aptitude shows me the list of packages "to be removed" |
| 15:22.55 | *** join/#debian zykes- (~zykes@32.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) |
| 15:23.09 | bs0d | why doesn't it remove them itself? I get a broken upgrade, until I remove those packages manually |
| 15:23.20 | bs0d | I thought aptitude should handle this on its own... and it doesn't |
| 15:23.24 | *** join/#debian drinkycrow (~whoreface@c-68-58-76-30.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 15:23.37 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@unaffiliated/vooze) |
| 15:23.49 | themill | bs0d: what do you mean by "broken upgrade"? |
| 15:24.12 | themill | (yes, aptitude should do this for you; sometimes apt-get handles big dist-upgrades better than aptitude) |
| 15:24.37 | *** join/#debian chattr (~mike@137.167.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 15:24.44 | bs0d | if to agree to the solution aptitude suggests, it does not remove the necessary packages, it starts downloading new ones and I get errors about unmet dependencies and dependency cycles. |
| 15:25.11 | *** part/#debian SFENCE (~SFENCE@a04-0936a.kn.vutbr.cz) |
| 15:25.12 | bs0d | themill: only if I remove the packages aptitude wants to remove manually, then run dist-upgrade - its ok |
| 15:25.13 | *** join/#debian raphaelt (~Raphaelt@ret08-1-88-182-200-157.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:25.32 | bs0d | aptitude should remove packages, before downloading new ones ... but it does not do so for some reason :( |
| 15:25.40 | bs0d | I cant understand why |
| 15:27.13 | *** join/#debian Malmis_ (malmis@c-938072d5.014-208-73746f25.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:27.23 | themill | it would normally download first then do all removes/upgrades/instals |
| 15:27.28 | dvs | bs0d: You are following the release notes to upgrade. right? |
| 15:27.40 | bs0d | dvs: yes |
| 15:28.09 | themill | bs0d: hang on,... what are you upgrading from and to here? |
| 15:28.28 | *** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br) |
| 15:28.46 | bs0d | themill: I have reinstalled Debian, now got a 6.0.3 squeeze and want to upgrade to wheezy |
| 15:28.48 | *** join/#debian ayambit (~aya@2a02:6b8:0:40d:8a9f:faff:fefa:579c) |
| 15:29.05 | themill | ahh... you'll probably find that's an upgrade that apt-get does better than aptitude. |
| 15:29.20 | *** join/#debian streuner (~streuner@mnhm-590e7f6e.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 15:30.42 | *** join/#debian zykes- (~zykes@32.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) |
| 15:30.51 | *** join/#debian k42b3 (~k42b3@p5B05C0C3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:35.07 | *** join/#debian Ergo^ (~ergo@hyp-p-107.pabianice.msk.pl) |
| 15:36.50 | *** join/#debian MaxLanar (~user1@82.229.207.48) |
| 15:36.59 | *** join/#debian meta-coder (~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder) |
| 15:37.47 | *** join/#debian Texou (~Texou@unaffiliated/texou) |
| 15:37.48 | bs0d | as a general question, is it ok to upgrade from 6.0.3 to wheezy, or I should first upgrade to 6.0.4 squeeze and then upgrade to wheezy? |
| 15:38.34 | *** join/#debian nixmaniack (~muneeb@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3) |
| 15:39.24 | hyppias | I want to move /var, /tmp and /home to another partition. how and where would I arrange that ? Must be very early in the boot proecess, idoes it not? |
| 15:40.21 | *** join/#debian Commander1024 (~Commander@ip-109-91-237-97.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 15:41.27 | *** join/#debian salvin_ (~salvin@93-46-22-92.ip105.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:41.34 | *** part/#debian pmjdebruijn (~pascal@overlord.pcode.nl) |
| 15:42.57 | *** join/#debian deftly (~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) |
| 15:43.03 | *** join/#debian LuvMySubi (~LuvMySubi@75-40-18-81.lightspeed.brlnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:43.05 | *** join/#debian fisted_ (~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 15:43.31 | *** join/#debian splinux (~splinux@fedora/splinux) |
| 15:43.55 | *** join/#debian jason404 (~jason404@31-222-188-155.static.cloud-ips.co.uk) |
| 15:45.00 | *** join/#debian ewl (~ewl@cpe-76-178-234-42.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 15:46.00 | themill | bs0d: in general, updating to the most recent packages in one release before moving to the next is a good plan. In this specific case it shouldn't make any difference |
| 15:47.59 | *** join/#debian Ninkasi (~Kt@zimbra.imrua.org) |
| 15:48.19 | *** join/#debian TheCoffeMaker (~TheCoffeM@unaffiliated/thecoffemaker) |
| 15:48.56 | *** join/#debian wvmac (~wvmac@c-98-236-81-160.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 15:49.29 | *** join/#debian g105b (~g105b@cpc3-derb14-2-0-cust187.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 15:49.46 | *** join/#debian AlexC_ (~alexc@tangocms/founder/alexc) |
| 15:49.49 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
| 15:50.28 | *** join/#debian mechanik (~mechanik@v2201111104746581.yourvserver.net) |
| 15:50.44 | *** part/#debian bsdnux (~markus@93-82-113-33.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 15:50.51 | hyppias | for a partition to be accessible from Windows , which filesystem must be used? |
| 15:51.04 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 15:51.06 | *** join/#debian faber (~faber@adsl-ull-4-193.50-151.net24.it) |
| 15:51.06 | AlexC_ | I've configured sshd ClientAliveCountMax and ClientAliveInterval to 1 and 10 respectively, however my connections are still not timing out after even that short amount of time. I can't for the life of me figure out why it's not timing out - any ideas? |
| 15:51.10 | hyppias | by way of samba, I mean |
| 15:51.37 | bs0d | hyppias: Windows type partition, NTFS or FAT-32 partition I suppose |
| 15:52.13 | bs0d | hyppias: and if you have ext2fsd installed in Windows, then ext* patitions as well should be fine |
| 15:53.08 | *** join/#debian ratatata (~nu@88-222-70-216.meganet.lt) |
| 15:53.35 | *** join/#debian jemt (~jemt@0x5550950d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 15:53.37 | jemt | Hi. Are php/text files "tagged" with a specific encoding, or is the encoding given by the characters used in the document? If the latter is the case, how does programs determine what charset to use to interpret the content? Trial and error ? |
| 15:54.22 | *** join/#debian sukkel (~sukkel@unaffiliated/sukkel) |
| 15:54.25 | jemt | The reason I ask, is because gEdit always saves data as UTF-8, unless changed when I choose "Save As..". I don't want the program to change the character encoding of my files |
| 15:54.44 | jemt | Now I'm nearly trying to understand if this is actually a problem - that my files are being saved as UTF-8 |
| 15:54.45 | bs0d | jemt: afaik, the etters are displayed in the same encoding as they are in the document. No encoding transition / interpretation occurs. |
| 15:55.09 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:55.30 | bs0d | jemt: why dont you like utf8? |
| 15:55.51 | themill | jemt: most file formats don't have any explicit encoding specified. Many programs will try to guess based on the byte sequences in the file. The only way to sanely deal with this is to always use utf-8. |
| 15:56.43 | bs0d | UTF8 with BOM sequence I'd say |
| 15:56.52 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@46.208.78.8) |
| 15:56.58 | *** join/#debian bluenemo (~bluenemo@g225085160.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:56.58 | *** join/#debian bluenemo (~bluenemo@unaffiliated/bluenemo) |
| 15:57.01 | themill | dislikes BOM |
| 15:57.19 | *** join/#debian Xizor (~Xizor@aqu33-7-78-232-32-5.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:57.28 | jemt | bs0d: I use ISO-8859-1 for backward compatibility. But that's not important. I'm trying to understand how this works |
| 15:57.57 | jemt | So if I save "ABC" in a text file using gEdit, and save a copy as ISO-8859-1, and another copy as UtF-8, the two files will be exactly identical, right ? |
| 15:58.39 | themill | if the contents are just "ABC", then yes, that would be the same, (unless the program has decided to stick a BOM in there.... which it shouldn't) |
| 15:58.55 | *** join/#debian LDungeon (~llama@cpe-174-102-147-31.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 15:59.00 | jemt | googling BOM |
| 15:59.07 | themill | byte-order-mark |
| 15:59.48 | *** part/#debian ewl (~ewl@cpe-76-178-234-42.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 15:59.51 | jemt | Oh, exactly what I was afraid of. But I suppose that depends on the text editor I use |
| 15:59.52 | themill | I doubt that gedit inserts a BOM. It's a thing that editors for certain legacy operating systems seem to like. |
| 16:00.08 | jemt | Okay, sounds good |
| 16:00.29 | themill | but your life will be less painful if you use UTF-8 everywhere™ |
| 16:00.47 | *** join/#debian grandie (~grandie@p57ACD2E3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:00.53 | bs0d | agrees with themill |
| 16:01.01 | bs0d | +1 |
| 16:01.36 | jemt | themill, I will as soon as it is properly supported in PHP. I don't want to use specific MB functions |
| 16:02.31 | themill | jemt: specifically what bits are you having trouble with in php? Most of the support required from php has been in place for 7 or 8 years. |
| 16:02.32 | *** join/#debian yogurt2ungue (~yogurt2un@host144.181-1-107.telecom.net.ar) |
| 16:02.49 | *** join/#debian pundit (~gopal@mk089144206158.a1.net) |
| 16:03.09 | jemt | "Most of" - exactly the problem :) |
| 16:03.20 | bs0d | jemt: does your browser displat the text in correct encoding? |
| 16:03.24 | jemt | When I started writing the application in question, MB support was terrible in PHP |
| 16:03.34 | *** join/#debian hubutm20 (~hubutm20@79.114.15.36) |
| 16:03.56 | themill | jemt: sure -- I can't say that for the sorts of stuff I've ever done I found that to be a restriction though. |
| 16:04.01 | jemt | Yes, the browser is instructed to decode the text as ISO-8859-1 - that's why it's important that the file content is ISO-8859-1 |
| 16:04.10 | bs0d | the problem may be that you used ISO encoding, but browser default is utf and it tries to display the page as utf encoding, check your encoding settings in browser |
| 16:04.21 | bs0d | ah, ok |
| 16:05.32 | jemt | themill: My application is fairly large. Changing to MB is not something done over a couple of weeks. So for now, I need to ensure that the charset is handled properly :) |
| 16:05.35 | *** join/#debian mechanik (~mechanik@v2201111104746581.yourvserver.net) |
| 16:05.38 | *** join/#debian ndrs__ (~andres@86-45-178-14-dynamic.b-ras3.chf.cork.eircom.net) |
| 16:07.13 | *** join/#debian Dagger3 (~dagger@sawako.haruhi.eu) |
| 16:07.22 | themill | jemt: my point is that I've never found the need to convert anything at the php end (only db connections, schema, templates). But I tend not to be doing things like strlen() that need to know about characters vs bytes. |
| 16:07.50 | *** join/#debian dadall (~lolilol@2a01:e35:8ad1:f220:225:b3ff:febf:a607) |
| 16:08.13 | bs0d | themill: did you ever have a need to use utf-16 or utf-32? |
| 16:08.35 | *** join/#debian hotfloppy (~n0@113.210.224.3) |
| 16:09.09 | *** join/#debian omeringen (~ircap@88.241.229.6) |
| 16:09.39 | wolfric | i'm looking for a debian aws image. any ideas where to look? |
| 16:09.52 | wolfric | ubuntu has some official ones on their wiki page named out, can't find the same for debian |
| 16:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1245] by debhelper |
| 16:10.03 | bs0d | did you look in backports? |
| 16:10.22 | wolfric | bs0d: are you talking to me..? |
| 16:10.28 | *** join/#debian nesmit (~textual@e178020040.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:10.30 | jemt | themill, Okay. I'd probably look into moving my application to UTF-8 sometime in the future. But for now, I just need to finish my current release before deadline :) |
| 16:10.40 | bs0d | yes, sorry, I should type your nick |
| 16:10.49 | wolfric | bs0d: do you know what aws is..? |
| 16:11.00 | bs0d | wolfric: never met this package. What is it? |
| 16:11.10 | wolfric | bs0d: it's not a package.. |
| 16:11.18 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:11.19 | wolfric | bs0d: aws is amazon web services... amazon cloud |
| 16:11.39 | jemt | Thanks guys for all the help. Much appreciated :) |
| 16:12.42 | *** join/#debian iceflatline (~iceflatli@ip68-100-130-114.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 16:12.55 | bs0d | wolfric: google tells me there is aws for etch and lenny. No idea about squeeze though. |
| 16:13.04 | *** join/#debian Cybertinus (~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:13.10 | bs0d | wolfric: but try take it from there |
| 16:14.23 | wolfric | ... |
| 16:14.32 | wolfric | aws is not a package for debian |
| 16:14.46 | wolfric | aws is a platform that you can run debian on, i was looking for an official debian build for aws |
| 16:16.10 | bs0d | wolfric: Oh, sorry. I didnt understand. |
| 16:16.32 | *** join/#debian black-rose (~black-ros@178.73.222.101) |
| 16:16.52 | *** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-98-97-3.as13285.net) |
| 16:17.14 | thewanderer1 | KDE can't seem to mount my vfat partition (sdb1) of a USB storage... on the other hand, it handles the ext3 part just fine. it's been happening to me on GNOME and KDE on both Squeeze and Wheezy. any solutions yet? |
| 16:17.15 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves (~HSorgYves@unaffiliated/pi/x-000000001) |
| 16:18.25 | thewanderer1 | a simple `mount` by root (no special parameters, nothing fancy) just succeeds at mounting, but somehow KDE and GNOME have problems with that |
| 16:19.31 | thewanderer1 | http://paste.debian.net/154871/ is the error I'm getting |
| 16:20.03 | thewanderer1 | of course, dmesg indicates that all possible filesystems are tried *except for* vfat which I need |
| 16:21.57 | themill | jemt: no worries, happy hunting |
| 16:22.49 | *** join/#debian M1kkke_ (~apf@240.Red-88-26-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:23.44 | *** join/#debian Kull (~neo@unaffiliated/kull) |
| 16:24.38 | thewanderer1 | aha! it *was* a PEBKAC error... I had /dev/sdb1 in fstab and somehow UDisks was trying to use it [facepalm] |
| 16:25.16 | *** join/#debian daveo (~daveo@97.73.171.234) |
| 16:25.30 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@99.196.114.123) |
| 16:25.34 | *** join/#debian trifolio6 (~h@84.127.74.155.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 16:26.17 | *** join/#debian dominusceo (~ricardo.c@187.152.134.98) |
| 16:26.34 | *** join/#debian QuikNik (~QuikNik7@50.71.117.183) |
| 16:27.12 | *** join/#debian admin_ (~admin@pool133-73.cable.tolna.net) |
| 16:27.24 | *** join/#debian I_Died_Once (~I_Died_On@unaffiliated/idiedonce/x-1828535) |
| 16:27.26 | QuikNik | hey guys, i've been looking through it but does rsync on debian have a way to fully sync directory trees like robocopy /MIR does on windows? aka it will delete them as well as create |
| 16:28.13 | *** join/#debian JimLesta (~user@197.177.76.36) |
| 16:28.15 | thewanderer1 | QuikNik, hmm, unison? |
| 16:28.22 | I_Died_Once | anyone know of a good video editor that will allow me to snag five minutes of footage from the middle of a thirty minute video? |
| 16:28.42 | *** join/#debian Chillator (Willey@91.150.225.13) |
| 16:28.56 | QuikNik | thewanderer1: that a separate utility? I don't quite understnad |
| 16:28.59 | QuikNik | *understand |
| 16:29.34 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 16:29.47 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 16:29.54 | celthunder | I_Died_Once: Cinelerra |
| 16:30.02 | thewanderer1 | kdenlive too |
| 16:30.40 | QuikNik | thewanderer1: okay thanks i'll check it out |
| 16:30.48 | *** join/#debian tenthirteen (~ten13@unaffiliated/tenthirteen) |
| 16:31.30 | *** join/#debian mwallacesd (~mwallaces@unaffiliated/mwallacesd) |
| 16:32.03 | *** join/#debian dominusceo1 (~ricardo.c@201.137.178.183) |
| 16:32.27 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 16:32.49 | *** join/#debian NikLP (~is@drupal.org/user/71221/view) |
| 16:33.09 | *** join/#debian CowboyNeal (~pater@unaffiliated/cowboyneal) |
| 16:33.58 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 16:35.24 | *** join/#debian CowboyNeal (~pater@unaffiliated/cowboyneal) |
| 16:35.52 | *** join/#debian huglester (~quassel@78.157.71.116) |
| 16:36.56 | *** join/#debian sukkel (~sukkel@unaffiliated/sukkel) |
| 16:37.42 | shaullx | guys, i added a failover ip to the network interfaces, but it won't restart it, getting the following error |
| 16:37.45 | shaullx | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 16:37.46 | shaullx | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 16:37.48 | shaullx | :x |
| 16:40.55 | *** join/#debian CowboyNeal (~pater@unaffiliated/cowboyneal) |
| 16:42.19 | AlexC_ | I've configured sshd ClientAliveCountMax and ClientAliveInterval to 1 and 10 respectively, however my connections are still not timing out after even that short amount of time. I can't for the life of me figure out why it's not timing out - any ideas? |
| 16:42.57 | *** join/#debian p3rror (~mezgani@41.249.15.103) |
| 16:43.03 | p3rror | hello |
| 16:43.37 | p3rror | i have some when i run apt-get http://paste.debian.net/154873/ |
| 16:43.41 | p3rror | please can you help |
| 16:43.56 | *** join/#debian admin_ (~smica@pool133-73.cable.tolna.net) |
| 16:44.31 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@athedsl-4383093.home.otenet.gr) |
| 16:44.36 | *** join/#debian smica (~smica@pool133-73.cable.tolna.net) |
| 16:45.04 | *** join/#debian lachouffe (~La@gre92-7-82-243-130-13.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:45.17 | *** join/#debian berserkr (~david@212.122.111.205.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 16:45.26 | *** join/#debian ervis (~ervis@79.106.109.35) |
| 16:45.42 | *** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230) |
| 16:45.43 | ervis | Hi all |
| 16:46.03 | p3rror | Hi ervis |
| 16:46.45 | ervis | hi p3rror |
| 16:47.11 | ervis | do you know if debian has any plan to upgrade pootle |
| 16:47.21 | ervis | from 2.0.5 to 2.1.6 |
| 16:48.02 | *** join/#debian prbz_ (~prebz@c83-254-51-59.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 16:48.15 | *** part/#debian pullphing (pullphing@c-24-13-71-78.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 16:48.34 | p3rror | ervis, i can not find pootle in wheezy |
| 16:48.45 | *** join/#debian LuvMySubi (~LuvMySubi@75-40-18-81.lightspeed.brlnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 16:49.00 | p3rror | ervis, http://packages.debian.org/sid/pootle |
| 16:49.20 | bs0d | Where can I see the squeeze -> wheezy upgrade instructions? |
| 16:49.30 | ervis | yes but is old |
| 16:49.41 | bs0d | I am reading through release notes currently, no upgrade instructions detected |
| 16:50.09 | *** join/#debian calbasi (~joan@197.221.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 16:51.39 | *** join/#debian maltzsama (bd26a3c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.38.163.200) |
| 16:52.12 | Trewas | bs0d: wheezy release is more than half a year away, no wonder if the release notes are incomplete |
| 16:53.04 | bs0d | Trewas: I cannot make a correct upgrade from squeeze to wheezy :( |
| 16:53.31 | bs0d | I have done Debian 6.0.3 reinstall ... did not succeed in upgrading to wheezy ... can someone help me do an upgrade correctly? |
| 16:55.08 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 16:55.16 | *** join/#debian WormDude (~wormfood@211.148.80.16) |
| 16:55.37 | *** join/#debian emorris (~emorris@cpc17-shef11-2-0-cust147.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 16:56.00 | celthunder | what went wrong when you upgraded the first time |
| 16:57.04 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-457112ca.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:57.33 | bs0d | celthunder: I get errors about unmet dependencies and dependency cycles. Cannot copy the exact error message, as I have made a fresh stable reinstall by now. |
| 16:57.44 | *** join/#debian CowboyNeal (~pater@unaffiliated/cowboyneal) |
| 16:58.27 | bs0d | celthunder: the upgrade process is editing the sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade? No more preparations needed before running dist-upgrade? |
| 17:00.26 | *** join/#debian mechanik (~mechanik@v2201111104746581.yourvserver.net) |
| 17:00.51 | bs0d | celthunder: I used aptitude wile upgrading first time, and aptitude printed me the list of packages "to be removed", but started downloading and configuring new ones, and did not remove anything, and afterwards I got the error about unmet deps. Maybe that's the reason, and I should remove those packages manually, before running dist-upgrade |
| 17:01.08 | *** join/#debian sguselnikov (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 17:01.18 | *** join/#debian pullphing (pullphing@c-24-13-71-78.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 17:01.32 | *** join/#debian lassiethebrave (~esundin@c-c97ce255.031-161-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:03.00 | *** join/#debian chasing`Sol (~cS@197.132.121.101) |
| 17:03.37 | *** join/#debian chrstphrhrt (~chrstphrh@modemcable006.138-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:03.50 | *** join/#debian philipballew_ (~philipbal@192.147.249.189) |
| 17:04.16 | *** join/#debian Alam_Squeeze (quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org) |
| 17:04.19 | *** join/#debian JurassicJon|TV (~JurassicJ@d24-141-32-175.home.cgocable.net) |
| 17:04.45 | bs0d | Can anyone help me make an upgrade to wheezy? |
| 17:05.33 | JurassicJon|TV | what kinda update? |
| 17:06.47 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 17:06.52 | *** part/#debian lassiethebrave (~esundin@c-c97ce255.031-161-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:06.57 | *** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br) |
| 17:07.08 | nsadmin | bs0d what are you running now? |
| 17:07.28 | nsadmin | (I guess you know wheezy is a moving target at the moment) |
| 17:07.33 | bs0d | nsadmin: I have made a fresh installation of 6.0.2 squeeze |
| 17:08.04 | nsadmin | that should be fairly easy... how long ago? |
| 17:08.37 | bs0d | half an hour ago install finished. I didn't install anything on it, so it is clean installation of stable debian now |
| 17:08.48 | nsadmin | and what's your arch? |
| 17:08.57 | bs0d | nsadmin: amd64 |
| 17:09.30 | *** join/#debian dimaursu16 (~dimon@host-static-109-185-158-136.moldtelecom.md) |
| 17:09.47 | *** join/#debian JurassicJon|TV (~JurassicJ@d24-141-32-175.home.cgocable.net) |
| 17:09.52 | *** join/#debian phogg (~phogg@173-10-190-217-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 17:09.54 | nsadmin | ok, so the first thing, let's just make sure... first get yourself a root shell... then run aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:10.07 | nsadmin | most likely no packages will be installed |
| 17:10.49 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 17:11.00 | bs0d | nsadmin: I think it will upgrade to 6.0.4 ( I got 6.0.3 ). Let me run it |
| 17:11.26 | nsadmin | so, from a cdrom? |
| 17:11.40 | JurassicJon|TV | the funny thing is, i just installed Debian and it auto updated me to 6.0.4 during update |
| 17:11.44 | bs0d | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:12.06 | nsadmin | oh ok... is this machine connected to the net? |
| 17:12.43 | nsadmin | JurassicJon|TV, that sounds reasonable... the netinstall will use the net if it can, otherwise it reads the installer and debian base from the cd |
| 17:12.48 | thewanderer1 | bs0d, enable sid repos too and turn on apt-pinning - wheezy has some dependencies on sid |
| 17:12.56 | *** join/#debian SleepyFloyd (~sleepy@p5DC6AAF7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:13.21 | bs0d | in my case install updated to 6.0.4 as well, as /etc/debian_version sais |
| 17:13.30 | nsadmin | it does?? hmm, is today a good day to upgrade? |
| 17:13.36 | bs0d | I'll pastebin /etc/sources.list that Im going to use |
| 17:13.42 | *** join/#debian Alam_Squeeze (quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org) |
| 17:13.57 | nsadmin | ok, good... |
| 17:14.13 | nsadmin | so the machine is connected to the net? |
| 17:14.29 | nsadmin | would be if you're using it to talk to us now |
| 17:14.43 | *** join/#debian echo083 (~adam@84.5.198.21) |
| 17:15.22 | bs0d | nsadmin: yes, it has an internet connection. But Im talking from a notebook, as upgrade process usually breaks the system ( in my case, every time I have tried to make an upgrade ) |
| 17:16.17 | themill | bs0d: you're going to get conflicting advice if you ask in more than one place at a time ;) |
| 17:16.31 | *** join/#debian sammyc (~sam@70-36-145-220.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 17:16.40 | *** join/#debian SeasluG (~JoeBloggs@unaffiliated/joebloggs) |
| 17:17.14 | nsadmin | themill: I'm about to tell him to upgrade kernel, reboot, upgrade perl-base, apt, aptitude, dpkg, then dist-upgrade |
| 17:17.20 | nsadmin | how's that sound? |
| 17:17.51 | nsadmin | one of those should pull in also libc |
| 17:18.19 | themill | nsadmin: I've no idea if the two-step upgrade is required or not, but it should work; but there are others working on this problem in #debian-next too... |
| 17:18.43 | *** join/#debian tsdedst (~tsdedst@a95-92-116-133.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 17:19.07 | nsadmin | you mean devwise or enduser-wise? |
| 17:19.46 | nsadmin | I'm also suspecting his current sources.list has cdrom sources |
| 17:20.41 | *** join/#debian Alam_Squeeze (quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org) |
| 17:20.44 | nsadmin | now that I remember, he says it upgraded him to 6.0.4, maybe the cdrom sources are gone |
| 17:21.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone know of a good imaging software for linux that can backup everything to an image file on a separate hard drive? |
| 17:21.39 | nsadmin | tar? |
| 17:21.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | sorry |
| 17:21.59 | bs0d | my sources.list file .. http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?zvu68llql8he is it ok? |
| 17:22.22 | THE_GFR|WORK | sorryanyone know of a good imaging software for linux that can backup everything to an image file on a separate hard drive automatically with automatic cleanup that is similar to Acronis True Image Home on windows? |
| 17:23.29 | *** join/#debian kotrcka (~Peter@ip-78-45-59-145.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 17:23.39 | nsadmin | bs0d, for the moment comment the last two lines, not sure yet if there are security updates for wheezy |
| 17:23.59 | nsadmin | and while it won't be used, you might as well correct line... |
| 17:24.02 | Iamonthissong | bs0d: wheezy-proposed-updates is sid, as i know |
| 17:24.12 | nsadmin | 12 |
| 17:24.57 | bs0d | so comment out wheezy-proposed-updates lines both for deb and deb-src? |
| 17:25.03 | *** join/#debian amikrop (~amikrop@adsl-249-105.diodos.auth.gr) |
| 17:25.06 | nsadmin | for the moment |
| 17:25.17 | bs0d | nsadmin: got it done |
| 17:25.25 | amikrop | Hello. The right less heavy (CD-wise) choice from netinst, is download 55 CDs? |
| 17:25.30 | themill | Iamonthissong: no, w-p-u and sid are two different repositories for entirely different things. |
| 17:25.40 | Iamonthissong | themill: ah, thnx |
| 17:25.54 | bs0d | nsadmin: so now I should run aptitude update? |
| 17:25.55 | nsadmin | ok... so, this would be the last chance to dance... do you want to back up first? downgrades are not possible |
| 17:26.24 | bs0d | nsadmin: no, no need for backup. I have a fresh installation, no impotant data on the system |
| 17:26.37 | *** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br) |
| 17:26.42 | nsadmin | ok. good enuf. do the update. |
| 17:26.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | any ideas anyone? |
| 17:27.02 | mwallacesd | Hi guys good morning/afternoon! If I edit the file /etc/sysctl.conf and add the line vm.swappiness=10 is it intructing the system to use how much swap according my RAM??? |
| 17:27.23 | bs0d | nsadmin: Current status: 1040 updates [+1040], 9716 new [+9716] |
| 17:27.58 | nsadmin | ok, good... apt-cache search linux-image |
| 17:28.02 | nsadmin | pick one |
| 17:28.14 | nsadmin | and show me the one you pick |
| 17:28.31 | bs0d | nsadmin: linux-image-3.1.0-1-amd64 should be fine |
| 17:28.38 | *** join/#debian lenswipe (~robert@95.146.93.106) |
| 17:28.40 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 17:28.41 | *** join/#debian Souchiro (~yuuji@unaffiliated/souchiro) |
| 17:28.41 | nsadmin | ok, install that |
| 17:29.02 | lenswipe | my debian machine has 2 soundcards and its chosen the wrong one |
| 17:29.03 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 17:29.08 | *** part/#debian Souchiro (~yuuji@unaffiliated/souchiro) |
| 17:29.13 | nsadmin | could pull other stuff; that would be good |
| 17:30.07 | *** join/#debian nas (~nas@d50-99-227-121.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 17:30.13 | nsadmin | lenswipe when you say "chosen the wrong one" I think you might mean "chosen the wrong one to be card0" |
| 17:30.34 | nas | anybody know some software to use an ipod touch in debian |
| 17:30.39 | nand` | Is there a debian port of the “archey” program for reporting environment details with a nice debian logo? I've seen it in some screenshots, but I don't know if it's actually a project somewhere or whether those were manual ports |
| 17:31.14 | nsadmin | alsa driver modules take an index= parameter; the one you want should be index=0; the other shoud be index=1 |
| 17:31.37 | bs0d | nsadmin: hmm I see a package configuration window saying, that I need firmware files for nouveau ( 16 files ) to install linux-3.1.0-1-amd64. |
| 17:31.38 | lenswipe | nsadmin, something like that |
| 17:31.41 | lenswipe | nsadmin, how do ichange that? |
| 17:31.56 | lenswipe | i have the normal motherboard soundcard and i have a USB mixing desk |
| 17:32.03 | lenswipe | its chosen the mixing desk to be card0 |
| 17:32.19 | lenswipe | i want the normal HDA one to be card0 - is there a way to select this? |
| 17:32.29 | lenswipe | i know there is in windows, but in linux this doesnt seem to be so simple |
| 17:32.34 | *** join/#debian mehrdad (~mehrdad@130.255.212.146) |
| 17:32.39 | bs0d | nsadmin: it tells me "you may need to reconfigure the package manager to include the contrib and non-free sections of the package archive before you can install the firmware files" ... but AFAIK I have included contrib and non-free in sources.list |
| 17:32.58 | *** join/#debian mangas (~mangas@a89-154-169-57.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 17:33.19 | nsadmin | lenswipe, not sure... maybe in /etc/modules? |
| 17:33.25 | lenswipe | nsadmin, ??? |
| 17:33.59 | lenswipe | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/8k2HXUp6 |
| 17:34.11 | nsadmin | I can't do a step-by-step with you lenswipe; busy now |
| 17:34.38 | nsadmin | bs0d, looks like that's true |
| 17:34.44 | lenswipe | nsadmin, im not asking you to do a step by step with me, although if you're busy shouldn't you be doing whatever you have to do rather than larking around on IRC? :p |
| 17:34.56 | nsadmin | can you install an earlier kernel for the moment? |
| 17:34.58 | lenswipe | brb |
| 17:35.04 | *** join/#debian sukkel (~sukkel@92.66.67.153) |
| 17:35.04 | *** join/#debian sukkel (~sukkel@unaffiliated/sukkel) |
| 17:35.43 | *** join/#debian ParadoxG (~lgunsch@S0106001d7eb8c00d.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 17:35.48 | nsadmin | lenswipe, there are other people here :) |
| 17:36.54 | celthunder | THE_GFR|WORK: dd |
| 17:37.40 | bs0d | nsadmin: I've installed 2.6.32-5-amd64. same version, as I had, but from new repository. Shall I reboot the system into the new kernel now? |
| 17:37.55 | nsadmin | yes |
| 17:38.13 | bs0d | nsadmin: ah, it did not install anything .. it told me no packages will be installed .. because I have it already |
| 17:38.15 | *** join/#debian zymurgy (~Ben@c-98-213-67-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 17:38.31 | celthunder | nsadmin: isn't the current kernel 3.? |
| 17:39.02 | nsadmin | celthunder someone said something about there being sid depends in wheezy right now |
| 17:39.30 | nsadmin | we're trying to avoid those :) |
| 17:40.12 | celthunder | i'm not a dev so i could be wrong but uh wheezy shouldn't depend on sid... |
| 17:40.13 | *** join/#debian ompaul (~ompaul@unaffiliated/ompaul) |
| 17:40.28 | celthunder | anyway i'll shut up now |
| 17:40.29 | nsadmin | you're right about that... |
| 17:40.46 | nsadmin | and, its probably something they're working on |
| 17:41.05 | themill | which packages is this? |
| 17:42.12 | nsadmin | I think it's the nouveau firmware? but triggered by trying to install linux-image-3.1.0-amd64 |
| 17:42.31 | bs0d | nsadmin: hmm maybe its worth running aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64? Then it will reinstall from the wheezy repository |
| 17:43.05 | thewanderer1 | KDE's network manager applet can't seem to issue DHCP requests on eth0 (wired), it only offers me an "ad-hoc" network (IPv4 stateless autoconf)... why? |
| 17:43.15 | nsadmin | not sure that's in the wheezy repo... your apt cache should contain packages you've installed, many of which come from squeeze |
| 17:43.18 | *** join/#debian blast_hardcheese (~blast_har@unaffiliated/blast-hardcheese/x-0199635) |
| 17:43.48 | bs0d | nsadmin: so nothing to do with the kernel at this point, what should I do as a next step? |
| 17:44.22 | nsadmin | I was thinking I'm curious about the apt-cache search linux-image output |
| 17:44.38 | nsadmin | could you pastebin that? a helper is pastebinit |
| 17:44.43 | *** join/#debian _Christophe_ (~Christoph@mtl93-12-88-189-21-207.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:44.53 | bs0d | nsadmin: one moment |
| 17:45.33 | nsadmin | likewise... where's the coffee or tea around here... |
| 17:46.53 | bs0d | nsadmin: http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?bpiyw617i0ej |
| 17:46.55 | themill | thewanderer1: n-m isn't involved in the actual dhcp request. BTW you may find plasma-widget-networkmanagement and n-m from backports works a lot better than the squeeze versions |
| 17:47.42 | *** join/#debian nomad (~Ident@pool-72-70-201-36.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:47.48 | thewanderer1 | themill, I think I'm on the wheezy one... |
| 17:48.02 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I think I've found the issue |
| 17:48.20 | *** join/#debian Fragggy (~Fragggy@bitsplit.de) |
| 17:48.42 | thewanderer1 | someone thought it'd be smart to only enable an ad-hoc connection by default in the package config instead of DHCP O.o |
| 17:48.55 | *** join/#debian Cavedude (~quassel@cpc11-finc13-2-0-cust520.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 17:49.04 | *** join/#debian aguitel (~aguitel@200.3.187.120) |
| 17:49.19 | themill | thewanderer1: which package? |
| 17:50.03 | aguitel | how to restore to default the kde menu ? |
| 17:50.05 | thewanderer1 | themill, plasma-widget-networkmanagement... I don't know if it's network-manager config or this one's, but the obvious choice of DHCP was missing by default |
| 17:50.29 | *** join/#debian sghe (~sghe@host30-230-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:51.20 | *** join/#debian nomad (~Ident@pool-72-70-201-36.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:52.35 | *** join/#debian m4v (~znc@unaffiliated/m4v) |
| 17:52.50 | nsadmin | bs0d, could you also show apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 17:53.44 | *** join/#debian GiBa (~jpborgna@unaffiliated/giba) |
| 17:54.46 | thewanderer1 | or maybe, just maybe, I deleted the DHCP option... but I don't drink tea that strong |
| 17:54.58 | bs0d | nsadmin: http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?4ljkxy5xuy32 Seems, that it is going to be taken from wheezy repos |
| 17:55.43 | *** join/#debian Tom01 (~Tom@p5DDFFA68.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:56.06 | *** join/#debian wald0 (~wald0@208.Red-83-43-42.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:56.08 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:56.19 | *** join/#debian death1010011010 (~death1010@77-236-4-173.home.aster.pl) |
| 17:56.25 | nsadmin | try installing that... I am guessing you'll get the same issue as before |
| 17:57.21 | bs0d | nsadmin: yes, you are totally right. Same issue with missing firmware files for nouveau. Is it bad? |
| 17:58.00 | *** join/#debian oops (~oops@unaffiliated/oops) |
| 17:58.10 | nsadmin | if you noticed, you see it wanted to install the 3.1 kernel |
| 17:58.37 | oops | I am unable to record sounds using the internal mic today. it used to work fine yesterday. if I increase the "Internal Mic Boost" to maximum then I can record a very broken voice. |
| 17:58.44 | oops | how do I troubleshoot this? |
| 17:58.57 | nsadmin | thewander1, how would he add the sid source protected by pinning? |
| 17:58.59 | bs0d | nsadmin: exactly! Actually it tried to install both, linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 17:59.13 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:59.32 | bs0d | nsadmin: I found a workaround for this |
| 17:59.47 | nsadmin | describe it :) |
| 18:00.13 | nsadmin | btw do you have this nouveau hardware thing? |
| 18:00.13 | bs0d | nsadmin: aptitude purge linux-image-and64 linux-image-2.6-amd64 && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 - kernel installed from wheezy repo ( I think so ) |
| 18:00.26 | fasta | How can I configure ntp? I get an error when I do dpkg-reconfigure ntp: http://paste.debian.net/154882/ |
| 18:00.48 | bs0d | nsadmin: I have the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT and plan to install the official driver from the offsite, so do not plan to use the nouveau at all |
| 18:00.59 | fasta | Technically it is warning, but I don't get any interface to configure anything. |
| 18:01.26 | fasta | (and a bunch of internal warnings seems like a bug to me) |
| 18:02.37 | nsadmin | bs0d, you'll see some dirs named for various uname -r in /lib/modules |
| 18:02.40 | nsadmin | maybe only one |
| 18:02.47 | nsadmin | what do you see? |
| 18:02.48 | *** join/#debian wHATEver (~andrew@mx2.admin.tomsk.ru) |
| 18:02.58 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@46.208.78.8) |
| 18:03.21 | JurassicJon|TV | that reminds me, i need to see if there is an official graphics card driver from the manufacturer |
| 18:03.23 | themill | nsadmin, bs0d: what precisely is the problem you're trying to solve here? |
| 18:03.33 | bs0d | nsadmin: 2 directories: 2.6.32-5-amd64 and 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
| 18:03.44 | nsadmin | ahh! it worked |
| 18:03.53 | nsadmin | themill: getting the kernel |
| 18:04.00 | bs0d | themill: trying to upgrade from 6.0.4 squeeze to wheezy |
| 18:04.22 | bs0d | nsadmin: everything is ok by now? |
| 18:04.23 | themill | bs0d: I mean the current step. |
| 18:04.31 | *** join/#debian awaxa (awaxa@a.awaxa.com) |
| 18:04.34 | bs0d | themill: reinstalling the kernel from wheezy repos |
| 18:04.37 | nsadmin | apparantly it wouldn't install if the old kernel was present |
| 18:04.48 | nsadmin | so he purged the kernel and tried to install again |
| 18:04.54 | *** join/#debian Tramp (~mt@xdsl-188-155-40-225.adslplus.ch) |
| 18:04.57 | JurassicJon|TV | is there a quick and easy way to find out what version of Xorg i have? |
| 18:05.03 | *** join/#debian Tramp_ (~mt@xdsl-188-155-40-225.adslplus.ch) |
| 18:05.04 | nsadmin | which apparantly worked |
| 18:05.25 | *** join/#debian splinux (~splinux@fedora/splinux) |
| 18:05.39 | nsadmin | X --version? |
| 18:05.57 | bs0d | JurassicJon|TV: or Xorg -version |
| 18:06.07 | themill | nsadmin: I can't actually see that failing in any of the pastes |
| 18:06.17 | nsadmin | themill, so the next step would be to reboot into the new kernel |
| 18:06.23 | JurassicJon|TV | that worked bs0d |
| 18:06.25 | JurassicJon|TV | thanks |
| 18:06.33 | *** join/#debian reinal (~info@178-20-56.dynamic.cyta.gr) |
| 18:06.37 | nsadmin | so the dep on nouveau was only a recommend? |
| 18:06.37 | themill | nsadmin: installing firmware packages first if needed |
| 18:06.47 | themill | p3rror: I'm working on updated pootle packages right now, actually. |
| 18:07.15 | nsadmin | he doesn't actually want to use the firmware in nouveau, he wants the nvidia drivers |
| 18:07.38 | bs0d | themill: yes, I am going to run the NVIDIA installer script afterwards |
| 18:07.58 | bs0d | themill: it gives me 290.1 version of driver |
| 18:07.58 | nsadmin | themill, so I'm about to say "reboot into 3.1" |
| 18:08.00 | p3rror | themill, great |
| 18:08.43 | themill | p3rror: they rely on some fixes to translate-toolkit first so they're not quite ready to upload |
| 18:08.59 | JurassicJon|TV | dang, the graphics card drivers are way out of date. i don't even want to try using them on this version of Debian |
| 18:09.10 | nsadmin | he's irc-ing from a different box and it's just a fresh squeeze install |
| 18:09.14 | *** join/#debian Iridos (~boo@unaffiliated/iridos) |
| 18:09.38 | nsadmin | so maybe we can be a bit more aggressive/experimental than if he were protecting data |
| 18:11.02 | awaxa | does anyone know if the dm-crypt multithreading patch is in the 2.6.39 squeeze-backports kernel or wheezy? my primary goal is stability/uptime, i'd appreciate any other suggestions too |
| 18:11.16 | nsadmin | bs0d, what do you think, do you want to try rebooting into 3.1? |
| 18:12.00 | themill | p3rror: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-l10n-devel/2011-November/001463.html Feel free to contact me in #pootle or by mail if you have testing feedback. |
| 18:12.32 | bs0d | nsadmin: lets give it a try. Hope the boot will be successful |
| 18:12.44 | *** join/#debian archetech (~noota@108-203-131-125.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:12.45 | *** join/#debian lasers (~lasers@unaffiliated/lasers) |
| 18:12.53 | *** join/#debian symptom (~symptom@unaffiliated/symptom) |
| 18:12.53 | nsadmin | one thing I'm wondering is wheter the nouveau thing will enable the card at all, and without it, no video... |
| 18:12.59 | jason404 | how can I force dpkg to reinstall all files from a package? when I reinstalled it did not |
| 18:13.00 | jason404 | replace the init.d script which I stupidly deleted manually |
| 18:13.23 | nsadmin | !confmiss |
| 18:13.24 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 18:14.43 | jason404 | nsadmin: thanks |
| 18:15.03 | *** join/#debian wald0 (~wald0@25.Red-88-7-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:15.09 | jason404 | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename |
| 18:15.20 | *** join/#debian jkfod (~Greg_od@85-238-118-169.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) |
| 18:15.21 | jason404 | that looks really werid to me |
| 18:15.37 | nsadmin | well replace $packagename |
| 18:15.45 | bs0d | nsadmin: successful boot into 3.1.0-1-amd64 kernel |
| 18:15.48 | jason404 | and what about ::Options:: ? |
| 18:15.55 | nsadmin | ok, good... |
| 18:16.01 | *** join/#debian pullphing (pullphing@c-24-13-71-78.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:16.13 | *** join/#debian zykes- (~zykes@80.202.203.32) |
| 18:16.16 | nsadmin | jason404, use that verbatim |
| 18:16.25 | jason404 | nsadmin: ok. thank you |
| 18:16.33 | *** join/#debian nixmaniack (~muneeb@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3) |
| 18:17.08 | nsadmin | bs0d, ok, now, aptitude install perl-base perl dpkg aptitude apt |
| 18:17.18 | nsadmin | which should pull in more than just those |
| 18:17.29 | jason404 | nsadmin: excellent. sorted now. cheers |
| 18:17.44 | nsadmin | have fun :) |
| 18:18.18 | *** join/#debian Sergevg (~serge@antares.ginsys.net) |
| 18:19.50 | *** join/#debian glebihan (~glebihan@brc29-2-89-95-29-161.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 18:19.58 | bs0d | nsadmin: aptitude provided me the list of packages to be installed, to be upgraded, recommended but not being installed and a bunch of packages with unmet dependencies. |
| 18:20.19 | *** join/#debian MrMovl (~Null@232-150-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de) |
| 18:20.23 | MrMovl | hi |
| 18:20.38 | bs0d | nsadmin: As a solution it suggests to keep perl (5.10.1-17squeeze3), perl-base and perl-modules intact, same versions |
| 18:20.47 | bs0d | nsadmin: and asks y/n/q/? |
| 18:20.56 | nsadmin | try it |
| 18:21.11 | *** join/#debian wald0 (~wald0@232.Red-83-63-238.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:21.21 | *** join/#debian ajcc (~ajcc@s83-181-62-171.cust.tele2.se) |
| 18:21.27 | nsadmin | (this was an unusual day to upgrade) |
| 18:21.43 | nsadmin | we may yet need that sid source |
| 18:21.45 | *** join/#debian floe__ (~flo@e179023164.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:22.17 | bs0d | nsadmin: upgraded, 1034 updates, no errors till now. |
| 18:22.28 | *** join/#debian ceed^ (~irssi@76-253-64-19.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:22.28 | ajcc | Hi guys, I have an odd question. How do I change the background and text color in the Linux Console? (The one you access with e.g Ctrl+Alt+F1). |
| 18:22.33 | bs0d | and those perl packages were kept intact, were not touched |
| 18:22.51 | nsadmin | ok, that probably has to change... |
| 18:22.57 | *** join/#debian silver_hook (~hook@unaffiliated/silver-hook/x-2625033) |
| 18:23.02 | *** part/#debian silver_hook (~hook@unaffiliated/silver-hook/x-2625033) |
| 18:23.10 | *** join/#debian nemysis (~nemysis@unaffiliated/nemysis) |
| 18:23.28 | ParadoxG | How do I set the resolution of a TTY? |
| 18:23.35 | nsadmin | I'm thinking we've gone as far as we can without the sid source |
| 18:23.45 | nsadmin | ttys don't have resolutions |
| 18:24.18 | nsadmin | what is it you actyally want to set the res of? |
| 18:24.19 | ParadoxG | well, I mean the console, like if I press ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 18:24.29 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 18:24.46 | nsadmin | try booting with VGA=ask |
| 18:24.52 | MrMovl | hi. is this the right place to ask people about general debian questions and the LinuxMINT-Debian edition? or is this a strict suport-chat? |
| 18:25.04 | *** join/#debian rciovati (~rciovati@dynamic-adsl-94-36-157-245.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 18:25.08 | nsadmin | strictly support |
| 18:25.28 | nsadmin | you can probably ask that on #debian-offtopic |
| 18:25.52 | JurassicJon|TV | there is an off topic channel... me joins :P |
| 18:26.02 | *** join/#debian DeeEff (~DF@S0106002401e59e07.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 18:27.59 | *** join/#debian nemysis (~nemysis@unaffiliated/nemysis) |
| 18:28.55 | MrMovl | ok, thanks |
| 18:29.29 | nsadmin | you can ask general debian questions here, limited by comparisons to other dists |
| 18:29.47 | themill | MrMovl: you want #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org; #debian-offtopic is a social channel, not a support channel. |
| 18:31.17 | *** join/#debian the-M (~the-M@TK212017102073.teleweb.at) |
| 18:31.18 | nsadmin | themill, how do you add a sid source with pinning? |
| 18:31.29 | nsadmin | it's looking like we might need it |
| 18:33.47 | *** join/#debian LordDeath (~LordDeath@cable-81-173-164-18.netcologne.de) |
| 18:34.08 | oops | what is the difference between "Capture" and "Digital" in the "Recording" section of gnome volume control? |
| 18:35.28 | Iridos | capture should be the mic, no idea what digital is supposed to be... and they're actually the alsa devices, you see the same ones with alsamixer and they change from kernel-driver to kernel-driver |
| 18:36.05 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@adsl-108-204-213-73.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:36.05 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 18:36.11 | skilz | How can I remove a program and its config files and install it again |
| 18:36.20 | oops | Iridos, how do I know which is my kernel driver? |
| 18:36.27 | nsadmin | remove it with purge |
| 18:36.34 | oops | aptitude purge <package> |
| 18:36.36 | nsadmin | man aptitude for details |
| 18:36.55 | MrMovl | themill, #linuxmint-help doesn't even exist but thanks......... |
| 18:37.06 | Iridos | oops, will be shown in dmesg output when you boot, or /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 18:37.13 | themill | MrMovl: different network. |
| 18:37.21 | nsadmin | MrMovl, it's on a different irc net |
| 18:38.08 | Iridos | oops, but my point was just that it varies with driver and/or hardware, so not everyone necessarily has "digital" ... actually, now that I check on mine, I do have it |
| 18:38.10 | *** part/#debian ajcc (~ajcc@s83-181-62-171.cust.tele2.se) |
| 18:38.37 | *** part/#debian MrMovl (~Null@232-150-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de) |
| 18:38.41 | oops | My internal mic has stopped working today and I am trying to figure how to troubleshoot it. |
| 18:38.42 | nsadmin | bs0d, can you add irc.oftc.net, connect there and join #debian-next |
| 18:38.56 | oops | what is #debian-next about? |
| 18:38.59 | *** join/#debian buribu (~buribu@unaffiliated/buribu) |
| 18:39.06 | nsadmin | next debian |
| 18:39.11 | Iridos | dpkg, tell oops about alsa checklist |
| 18:39.32 | Iridos | oops, that might be a good start... obviously, as it worked before you can skip some |
| 18:39.47 | bs0d | nsadmin: I am there |
| 18:39.56 | oops | Iridos, okay. |
| 18:40.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1235] by debhelper |
| 18:40.25 | *** join/#debian uliyneron (~neron@95-37-220-181.dynamic.mts-nn.ru) |
| 18:40.25 | bs0d | nsadmin: what do you think of trying to do same trick with perl? I mean purge and reinstall |
| 18:41.14 | oops | I have oss-compat installed. is it necessary? |
| 18:41.21 | nsadmin | you don't want to remove perl... it's used in the installer stack |
| 18:41.22 | *** join/#debian DerPate (~dominik@85.183.99.23) |
| 18:41.40 | *** join/#debian Iamonthissong_ (~iamonthis@TestWiki/Iamonthissong) |
| 18:41.52 | nsadmin | oops, if you have programs that only know about oss |
| 18:42.14 | oops | then I can't uninstall it? |
| 18:42.27 | nsadmin | didn't say that |
| 18:42.43 | oops | okay |
| 18:43.09 | *** join/#debian sk99 (~sk99@ti0060a340-dhcp0342.bb.online.no) |
| 18:43.35 | nsadmin | if no program you have is unaware of alsa, you could remove it and maybe you wouldn't have to do anything else |
| 18:43.37 | *** join/#debian dspider (~dspider@86.126.24.156) |
| 18:43.48 | *** join/#debian valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 18:43.56 | *** join/#debian Shirakawasuna (~Shirakawa@67-40-10-91.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 18:44.01 | *** join/#debian jkfod (~Greg_od@85-238-118-169.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) |
| 18:44.19 | *** part/#debian harovali1 (~harovali@r186-52-112-129.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 18:44.47 | *** join/#debian meta-coder (~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder) |
| 18:45.10 | *** join/#debian rciovati (~rciovati@dynamic-adsl-94-36-157-245.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 18:45.25 | *** join/#debian jargon- (~dayo@unaffiliated/jargon-) |
| 18:45.44 | bs0d | nsadmin: how to upgrade perl in my case? Maybe the reboot will help? Or some sid sources in sources.list? |
| 18:46.22 | *** join/#debian Sbidicuda (~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:46.42 | nsadmin | we have to be careful with sid sources... adding one without making sure it's pinned properly would cause you to upgrade to sid |
| 18:48.17 | *** join/#debian skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) |
| 18:49.27 | bs0d | nsadmin: in channel #debian-next jelly-home suggests to make a safe-upgrade from here.. is this safe to do now? |
| 18:49.49 | *** join/#debian Neo (~Administr@opennic/Neo) |
| 18:49.53 | jelly-home | please don't use multiple channels at the same time. |
| 18:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1241] by debhelper |
| 18:50.41 | *** join/#debian pLk (~mail@xdslap018.osnanet.de) |
| 18:51.03 | jelly-home | it splits the conversation, making it harder to track |
| 18:51.46 | *** join/#debian quinput (~quinput@p5494F6A7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:51.46 | *** join/#debian quinput (~quinput@pdpc/supporter/active/quinput) |
| 18:51.48 | *** join/#debian Vin100|Home (~vincent@AAmiens-152-1-47-59.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:52.04 | *** join/#debian DURgod (~DURgod@2001:470:1f11:e4d:9127:7fd5:c550:7be0) |
| 18:54.32 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@87.112.207.10) |
| 18:56.03 | *** join/#debian p01s0nb1t (53adb4d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.173.180.210) |
| 18:56.39 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 18:57.20 | *** join/#debian BoyOfWuHan1 (~debi6@58.49.26.22) |
| 18:58.01 | *** join/#debian Greyscale (~quassel@ks392820.kimsufi.com) |
| 18:58.17 | Greyscale | So, like, I have a debian machine |
| 18:58.30 | Greyscale | I've installed the gnome desktop item in tasksel |
| 18:58.35 | *** join/#debian FreeNET (~X@unaffiliated/freenet) |
| 18:58.39 | Greyscale | but it doesn't start up the gnome gui |
| 18:58.53 | Greyscale | and startx doesn't work: /usr/bin/X not found |
| 18:59.41 | *** join/#debian Malmis (malmis@c-938072d5.014-208-73746f25.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:59.45 | Iridos | well, perhaps it's not installed? |
| 18:59.48 | Iridos | dpkg, install x |
| 18:59.48 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 19:00.11 | Greyscale | Ta Iridos |
| 19:00.16 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 19:00.34 | *** part/#debian BoyOfWuHan1 (~debi6@58.49.26.22) |
| 19:00.52 | *** join/#debian CoilDomain (~jasonruiz@pool-173-65-93-96.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:02.28 | *** join/#debian John_K_ (441f851d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.31.133.29) |
| 19:02.34 | *** join/#debian ceed^ (~irssi@76-253-64-19.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:03.47 | John_K_ | I just started gnome for the first time and got an error message saying that some features were disabled since I probably didn't have the right drivers. I am not seeing the error anymore but it still doesn't look like gnome3 entirely (Applications menu and places menu instead of activities menu) |
| 19:03.57 | *** join/#debian cccc828 (~hjgh@91-114-225-214.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 19:03.59 | John_K_ | How can I get an open source driver and fix the problem? |
| 19:06.43 | Greyscale | Iridos: how do I install gdm? its not "apt-get install gdm" any more |
| 19:06.50 | *** join/#debian CoilDomain (~CoilDomai@pool-173-65-93-96.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:07.09 | John_K_ | Greyscale: Maybe apt-get install gdm3 |
| 19:07.20 | John_K_ | Greyscale: With the 3 at the end |
| 19:07.41 | *** join/#debian skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) |
| 19:08.10 | *** join/#debian Malmis (~malmis@c-938072d5.014-208-73746f25.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 19:08.39 | Greyscale | aha! |
| 19:08.46 | Greyscale | John_K_: I spotted it just when you said too |
| 19:08.52 | *** join/#debian [cC] (~fuckoff@unaffiliated/-cc-/x-0375068) |
| 19:10.25 | *** join/#debian dimaursu16 (~dimon@host-static-109-185-158-136.moldtelecom.md) |
| 19:11.57 | John_K_ | Greyscale: I just installed gdm3 but am trying to make it look like it should. :P |
| 19:12.15 | Greyscale | How _should_ it look? |
| 19:12.42 | John_K_ | Greyscale: Well, mine is looking too much like gnome 2 and I got an error when I first started it saying something about features are disabled on account of drivers |
| 19:13.29 | Greyscale | I got MATE. So gnome2 looking is better |
| 19:13.30 | Greyscale | :D |
| 19:13.36 | Greyscale | doesn't help you though |
| 19:13.39 | John_K_ | Greyscale: But the error isn't showing up anymore and I don't know what to do. I just know that it doesn't look like gdm3 on my other computer. |
| 19:13.56 | John_K_ | Greyscale: I had heard about MATE |
| 19:14.00 | *** join/#debian buribux (~buribu@unaffiliated/buribux) |
| 19:14.05 | Greyscale | God, gnome 3 is a farce trying to work with it |
| 19:14.17 | Greyscale | "lol virtualbox has disappeared, go relaunch all your vms" |
| 19:14.21 | Greyscale | "lol, this time its chrome!" |
| 19:14.35 | Greyscale | "you have a message on pidgin.. but you can't click it to open it AHAHAHA" |
| 19:14.43 | Greyscale | Its genuinely a user-hating pile of ass |
| 19:15.01 | Greyscale | Without MATE I'd be stuck forever on an old version |
| 19:16.02 | *** join/#debian blocktree (~lubos@115-64-70-201.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 19:16.54 | Greyscale | How does one get the current firefoxes? |
| 19:17.04 | *** join/#debian Qazjap11 (~Qazjap11@85.65.226.211.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 19:17.19 | Greyscale | dpkg: install firefox |
| 19:17.19 | dpkg | Greyscale: wish i knew |
| 19:17.25 | Greyscale | ... :| |
| 19:17.35 | *** join/#debian Ridout (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 19:17.48 | ompaul | Greyscale: iceweasel is debian's ff |
| 19:18.03 | Greyscale | ompaul: thats great, but its a million years out of date |
| 19:18.05 | ompaul | Greyscale: iceweasel is debian's build of ff to be more accurate |
| 19:18.20 | Greyscale | and plugins drop a duece last time I checked |
| 19:18.25 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 19:18.26 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-12; wheezy: 9.0.1-1; sid: 10.0-1 |
| 19:18.36 | *** join/#debian a (~slv@c-71-233-237-67.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:18.37 | Greyscale | Wheezy has 9.0.1? |
| 19:18.49 | Greyscale | Either way, I can't really run a non-standard version |
| 19:18.52 | nand` | Greyscale: I just grabbed the binary off nightly.mozilla.org |
| 19:18.54 | nand` | works out of the box if you have the libraries |
| 19:18.59 | Greyscale | so off I go to unpack the tar into /opt |
| 19:19.00 | a | hmm |
| 19:19.09 | skilz | How to undo sudo add-apt-repository ppa:madnessmike/madnessmike |
| 19:19.12 | skilz | I want to remove it |
| 19:19.14 | ompaul | grab stable from FF 10 is around |
| 19:19.23 | ompaul | if you are going outside of debian |
| 19:19.38 | *** join/#debian slvmchn (~slv@c-71-233-237-67.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:22.40 | *** join/#debian bit0 (~jantonio@61.Red-80-24-119.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:22.49 | *** join/#debian Bartzy (~bar@82.166.200.207.fix.netvision.net.il) |
| 19:23.14 | *** join/#debian dominusceo (~ricardo.c@189.137.253.39) |
| 19:23.40 | *** part/#debian ParadoxG (~lgunsch@S0106001d7eb8c00d.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 19:24.07 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 19:24.14 | *** join/#debian syslq (~syslq@91.185.207.168) |
| 19:24.32 | HSorgYves | how to find out which package dependency blocks if "25 not upgraded" in aptitude? these 25 packages have a priority of 1111 to downgrade for lenny... |
| 19:24.38 | skilz | please |
| 19:24.41 | skilz | How to undo sudo add-apt-repository ppa:madnessmike/madnessmike |
| 19:24.52 | skilz | I keep getting errors when i use apt now |
| 19:25.07 | ompaul | ppa is ubuntu |
| 19:25.27 | John_K_ | Yay! |
| 19:26.05 | John_K_ | For once the problem was easily installed. I just downloaded linux-firmware-nonfree from a different computer, moved it via flash drive, and used dpkg then restarted |
| 19:26.07 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 19:26.10 | John_K_ | And gnome is working fine |
| 19:27.23 | *** join/#debian joshsmith (~joshsmith@c-174-60-6-232.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 19:27.37 | skilz | oh oops |
| 19:27.41 | lasers | skilz: In a nutshell, you borked your system. Go ahead and play with it. Install packages from openSUSE. Also, Archlinux. :) |
| 19:27.58 | bit0 | HSorgYves, Hello, to solve problems I use apt-get -f install |
| 19:28.14 | lasers | skilz: Sarcasm, I know. Sorry. |
| 19:29.22 | *** join/#debian ballcutter (~admin@172.sub-174-253-66.myvzw.com) |
| 19:29.24 | jelly-home | skilz: inspect the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files, find the offenders and comment it out or remove it. Then do an "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" again. |
| 19:30.27 | *** join/#debian flypp (~flypp@216.pool85-57-69.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 19:31.58 | *** join/#debian GiBa (~jpborgna@unaffiliated/giba) |
| 19:33.16 | HSorgYves | bit0: what should a fix-broken install help??? |
| 19:33.42 | *** join/#debian ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) |
| 19:34.09 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 19:34.10 | *** join/#debian nemysis (~nemysis@unaffiliated/nemysis) |
| 19:34.24 | bit0 | HSorgYves, That's only a tip, "apt-get -f install" is the swiss-knife I use |
| 19:34.47 | HSorgYves | bit0: ok, thx, doesn't help |
| 19:35.12 | bit0 | HSorgYves, sorry, good luck! |
| 19:37.28 | *** join/#debian marchlew (~mmt@afoy51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:38.00 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 19:38.57 | *** join/#debian nemysis (~nemysis@unaffiliated/nemysis) |
| 19:40.33 | *** join/#debian D3814N (~D3814N@31-17-13-5-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 19:45.15 | somiaj | HSorgYves: did you upgrade or full-upgrade? |
| 19:45.28 | somiaj | HSorgYves: there are different upgrade commands and they do differnt things, read the man page. |
| 19:46.02 | somiaj | HSorgYves: also is this a lenny -> squeeze upgrade? |
| 19:46.44 | skilz | Is there a way to change my monitor color profile? like in windows and os x? |
| 19:47.08 | *** join/#debian gRoTsK (~tAiNtEd@162.pool80-103-145.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 19:47.26 | somiaj | you mean change the colors of your DE/WM? |
| 19:48.06 | skilz | No my monitor color laptop monitor color |
| 19:48.32 | somiaj | Then what is a monintor color profile? |
| 19:48.48 | somiaj | you want to change the colors of the windows, pannels, menus, etc? |
| 19:48.50 | skilz | like contrast, color, rgb ect |
| 19:49.23 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 19:50.23 | *** join/#debian iceflatline (~iceflatli@ip68-100-130-114.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 19:50.35 | JurassicJon|TV | does anyone know how to change the Debian 6.0.4 graphics driver to something else. i tried finding the xorg.conf file but i've read from an article they took that out in the newer versions of Debian |
| 19:51.03 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.148.226) |
| 19:51.12 | jhutchins_lt | WTF is the editor that's used for vi in lenny's rescue mode? |
| 19:51.24 | somiaj | skilz: if you have gnome or kde it is probabaly in one of their system tools for display |
| 19:51.42 | JurassicJon|TV | i'll check it out |
| 19:52.00 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: nano is the default editor (the one that has the bar across the bottom with things like ^X ^C commands)? |
| 19:52.08 | *** join/#debian adev (~adev@2001:1af8:3100:b000:216:3eff:febe:3d4) |
| 19:52.19 | skilz | nah fluxbox |
| 19:52.22 | *** join/#debian MaxLanar (~user1@vai69-2-82-229-207-48.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:52.27 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think it likes my USB keyboard. LOOKS like vi. |
| 19:52.50 | somiaj | hmm, I figured it would just be nano. |
| 19:53.26 | *** join/#debian Ridout (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 19:55.53 | HSorgYves | somiaj: DOWNgrade ;-) |
| 19:56.00 | HSorgYves | found a solution by now |
| 19:56.26 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~ben@118-92-95-249.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 19:57.15 | *** join/#debian floe__ (~flo@f052102101.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:57.20 | *** join/#debian ctp (~ctp@dslc-082-082-134-240.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:57.41 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 19:57.42 | *** join/#debian Ambagasdowa (~leviathan@189.190.94.180) |
| 19:58.51 | *** join/#debian cardamon (~mute@c-24-98-152-239.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 19:59.18 | *** join/#debian ron-slc (~Ron@173-165-129-125-utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 20:00.16 | somiaj | you are downgrading squeeze to lenny, that just sounds hard and not worth it since lenny EOL is in 2 days |
| 20:02.56 | HSorgYves | somiaj: i am downgrading php from 5.3 to 5.2 which works nice |
| 20:03.08 | *** join/#debian s3phir0th115 (~s3phir0th@pool-72-66-229-252.ronkva.east.verizon.net) |
| 20:03.27 | *** join/#debian Draecos (~Draecos@w-143.cust-11471.ip.static.uno.uk.net) |
| 20:03.30 | somiaj | HSorgYves: you won't get any security/bug fixes for that version and with php that can be imporant |
| 20:03.49 | *** join/#debian vandal- (~van@ip-37-85.zax.pl) |
| 20:03.50 | hyppias | If I have a complete USB stick from which I can boot, how can I pull a boot image from it that I can copy to another stick? |
| 20:03.53 | HSorgYves | somiaj: i know, but it HAD to be done |
| 20:04.12 | HSorgYves | How to check the runtime status of systems variables set in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 20:05.00 | simonlnu | sysctl ... |
| 20:05.04 | *** join/#debian truehumandesign (~drsatan@pD952274E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:05.30 | HSorgYves | simonlnu: was too obvious, thx |
| 20:05.32 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-187.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 20:05.39 | simonlnu | yep |
| 20:06.57 | *** join/#debian vizzord (~exn@195.49.206.202) |
| 20:06.59 | jhutchins_lt | Strange. The rescue CD can find the root partition, but grub says error 18. |
| 20:08.17 | *** join/#debian StefandeVries2 (~stefan@ip90-6-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 20:08.53 | *** join/#debian Supernova (~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine) |
| 20:08.56 | jetscreamer | hyppias: dd |
| 20:09.11 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: did you mount the root partition, and then say put proc and dev inside of it and run grub-update from there? |
| 20:09.24 | somiaj | well chroot first, or are you trying to just use grub from the resuce cd |
| 20:09.37 | *** join/#debian Malmis_ (malmis@c-938072d5.014-208-73746f25.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:09.47 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid for that iirc |
| 20:09.54 | sKeiths | anyone know why /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp :0 -auth /tmpserverauth.Xkeyyjblnwq8 is using 100% cpu? |
| 20:09.59 | jetscreamer | but i don't rc what the keyword is |
| 20:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1247] by debhelper |
| 20:10.24 | *** join/#debian hoarycripple (~hoarycrip@c-24-218-179-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:10.33 | *** join/#debian D-Deck (~stefan@unaffiliated/stefandevries) |
| 20:11.06 | somiaj | sKeiths: it could be a program that X is trying to run more than X itself |
| 20:11.20 | jhutchins_lt | Grub error 18 implies that the grub on the MBR does not see the drive as the same device as grub-install did, correct? |
| 20:11.24 | *** join/#debian symptom (~symptom@unaffiliated/symptom) |
| 20:11.36 | NishaKitty | I give up trying to make NetworkManager work with mobile broadband *goes back to wvdial* x.x |
| 20:12.05 | *** join/#debian ckt1g3r_ (~ckt1g3r@bl14-209-142.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 20:12.05 | jetscreamer | #grub mebbe... never worked for me though |
| 20:12.22 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: Didn't mount proc and dev, just used the shell p0rovided by the rescue disk. |
| 20:12.31 | *** join/#debian milothebuthar (~ecco@187.65.237.174) |
| 20:12.32 | jetscreamer | you can hit e and use grubshell and find out if that is the case |
| 20:12.39 | *** join/#debian GiBa (~jpborgna@unaffiliated/giba) |
| 20:12.46 | jetscreamer | err c for shell, e for edit |
| 20:13.01 | *** join/#debian UltimediaOS (~Ultimedia@i5387B846.versanet.de) |
| 20:13.24 | jhutchins_lt | jetscreamer: I don't have a menu, so e's not gonna work. |
| 20:13.25 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: ahh, I usually just mount my system, and chroot into it and then use grub from there (after i put dev and proc inside so it can see thd evices) |
| 20:13.42 | *** part/#debian milothebuthar (~ecco@187.65.237.174) |
| 20:13.48 | *** join/#debian farkbarn (~farkbarn@186.93.185.41) |
| 20:15.16 | jetscreamer | yeh you gotta do it that way |
| 20:15.29 | *** join/#debian pixel8ed (~pixel8ed@123.209.38.255) |
| 20:16.05 | somiaj | the rescue cd is very minimial and isn't like a live system that contains a full set of tools, it is mostly a way to boot into your install if your kernel/grub/init scripts are broken |
| 20:16.52 | *** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.148.226) |
| 20:17.15 | *** join/#debian buntunub (~quassel@c-68-50-157-179.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 20:17.53 | *** join/#debian frotz47 (~matthew@cpe-74-75-57-187.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 20:18.06 | *** join/#debian jelly (~jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 20:18.07 | *** join/#debian republic (~eko@112.215.63.225) |
| 20:18.12 | *** join/#debian marchlew (~mmt@afoy51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:19.28 | *** join/#debian ICEBreakPoint (~d3mux32@89-181-35-167.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:19.36 | jhutchins_lt | It gives me a chroot but the terminal type (bterm) is unknown and plays hell with vi |
| 20:20.44 | *** join/#debian silvertip257_ (~silvertip@c-174-55-225-44.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 20:20.45 | *** join/#debian silvertip257_ (~silvertip@unaffiliated/silvertip257) |
| 20:21.56 | simonlnu | yeh, bterm will do that |
| 20:22.31 | *** join/#debian Redjack1964 (~quassel@78.241.60.193) |
| 20:22.34 | simonlnu | you can *sometimes* get around it with setting TERM different (e.g. linux), but expect problems |
| 20:22.52 | simonlnu | generally it behaves better after |
| 20:23.25 | *** join/#debian y3llow_ (~y3llow@114-36-238-228.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 20:23.49 | *** join/#debian octeris (~remd@user-9654ea.user.msu.edu) |
| 20:24.18 | *** join/#debian Kunda (~Kunda@76-253-76-173.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:24.21 | *** join/#debian reinal (~info@178-20-56.dynamic.cyta.gr) |
| 20:24.42 | *** join/#debian parallels1 (~parallels@cpc14-enfi16-2-0-cust190.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 20:26.31 | *** join/#debian Coudy (~Coudy@nezmar.jabbim.cz) |
| 20:26.33 | *** join/#debian y3llow (~y3llow@114-36-238-228.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 20:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I set the CD to slave, the HD to master, and now I get "no such device" (looks like a UUID) and rescue mode. |
| 20:28.29 | jhutchins_lt | At least it's different. |
| 20:28.33 | *** join/#debian eeemsi (msi@shell.noname-ev.de) |
| 20:28.43 | eeemsi | hi there |
| 20:28.53 | *** join/#debian y3llow (~y3llow@114-36-238-228.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 20:29.03 | *** join/#debian mag_ (~good6743@pat-ip-129-15-127-247.fennfwsm.ou.edu) |
| 20:29.37 | Gm4n | I've had a disk failure in my mdadm raid 6 - it was bound to happen eventually. However, I realize I have no idea how to tell which disk that is. Any ideas? |
| 20:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1253] by debhelper |
| 20:30.18 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 20:30.26 | *** join/#debian Redjack1964_ (~quassel@ss859-2-78-241-60-193.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:30.35 | *** join/#debian NishaKitty (~Nisha@unaffiliated/nisha) |
| 20:30.36 | *** join/#debian veebull (~veebull@66.172.107.27) |
| 20:30.38 | eeemsi | i am trying to use approx and face this problem: sources.list -> deb http://atom:9999/i3 sid main … … approx.conf -> i3 http://build.i3wm.org/debian/sid |
| 20:31.05 | eeemsi | all it does is to return W: Failed to fetch http://atom:9999/i3/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 20:31.09 | *** join/#debian zymurgy (~Ben@c-98-213-67-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:31.10 | *** join/#debian y3llow (~y3llow@114-36-238-228.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 20:31.11 | *** join/#debian TheBadShepperd (xelda@unaffiliated/thebadshepperd) |
| 20:31.42 | eeemsi | any hint? |
| 20:32.14 | *** join/#debian xtr (~058452959@64-46-16-152.dyn.novuscom.net) |
| 20:32.28 | *** join/#debian StefandeVries (~stefan@unaffiliated/stefandevries) |
| 20:32.39 | *** join/#debian NishaKitty (~Nisha@unaffiliated/nisha) |
| 20:32.44 | simonlnu | um, it says not found. |
| 20:32.44 | *** join/#debian S0lo (~S0lo@host-89-242-178-43.as13285.net) |
| 20:32.46 | *** join/#debian S0lo (~S0lo@unaffiliated/s0lo) |
| 20:32.59 | somiaj | 404 error, seems like a problem with the mirror. |
| 20:33.03 | simonlnu | !debian-next eeemsi |
| 20:33.03 | dpkg | eeemsi: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 20:33.46 | *** part/#debian ar (arachnist@paludis/monkey/arachnist) |
| 20:34.23 | iveqy | hi, I'm trying to install debian but grub install tries to install grub at /dev/sda (which is the install usb, not the sata drive). Lilo does install on /dev/sdb as it should, but boot fails. I guess because of "wait for root" is not set |
| 20:34.27 | iveqy | how to fix this? |
| 20:34.49 | ompaul | Gm4n: might give you a clue on it's page - basically umount it all and mount the combinations thereafter to see what went dead it should be reporting some segment which you could if you took your time with fstab mount and so on map to the section on raid 6 here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 20:34.52 | *** join/#debian rozie (~rozie@rozie-1-pt.tunnel.tserv28.waw1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 20:35.05 | simonlnu | iveqy: tell grub-install to install to /dev/sdb in one of the VTs |
| 20:35.29 | *** join/#debian nemysis (~nemysis@unaffiliated/nemysis) |
| 20:35.44 | jetscreamer | still same behavior eh |
| 20:36.17 | iveqy | simonlnu: how to do that? I tried to run grub-install but that command was not found |
| 20:36.21 | Gm4n | ompaul: I know which device failed (sdd), I just have no idea how to figure out which physical drive that is =/ |
| 20:36.23 | iveqy | guess i need to chroot somewhere? |
| 20:36.40 | simonlnu | chroot to it |
| 20:36.48 | ompaul | Gm4n: what does mount and /etc/fstab tell you |
| 20:36.50 | simonlnu | it's /target usually |
| 20:36.55 | somiaj | Gm4n: usually they are detected in order, so it would be the 4th on the sata raid device or whatever |
| 20:36.55 | BenNZ | iveqy: sudo mount /dev/sdxx /mnt && sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb |
| 20:37.06 | BenNZ | iveqy: from the livecd |
| 20:37.49 | Gm4n | Unfortunately, my system definitely does not detect them in order - my boot volume ranges from sda to sdh :( |
| 20:37.52 | iveqy | thanks, I'll try |
| 20:38.02 | simonlnu | even better =). ty BenNZ |
| 20:38.24 | simonlnu | though the sudo is useless ;) |
| 20:38.42 | somiaj | yea I find myself typing it all the time when I'm root too |
| 20:38.50 | iveqy | simonlnu: well, I still need to do it from a VT in the installation |
| 20:38.59 | BenNZ | simonlnu: force of habit i guess |
| 20:39.10 | simonlnu | iveqy: yes |
| 20:39.16 | iveqy | I've a usb stick with ~80 MB free space and installed debian with ext4 |
| 20:39.17 | simonlnu | alt-f2 or f3 |
| 20:39.19 | Coudy | hi, I'm trying to understand apt pinning, is there difference between |
| 20:39.19 | Coudy | Pin: release a=testing or Pin: release n=testing (a or n are just variables or what ? ) |
| 20:39.30 | iveqy | there's no live dist that I can use that way =( |
| 20:39.34 | simonlnu | man apt_preferences |
| 20:39.54 | somiaj | Coudy: first what different sources are you pinning, as you do not want to mix debian versions |
| 20:40.13 | somiaj | Coudy: basically the higher number gets priority when deciding what package to install |
| 20:41.20 | *** join/#debian tomboy_ (629c345d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.156.52.93) |
| 20:41.24 | Coudy | somiaj, yes, but somewhere I see n=unstable and elsewhere a=unstable, is it same or not ? |
| 20:42.38 | somiaj | Coudy: have you read the apt_preferences(5) manpage |
| 20:42.48 | Coudy | somiaj, reading, slowly... |
| 20:42.49 | *** part/#debian raz (~raz@unaffiliated/raz) |
| 20:42.54 | *** join/#debian Rob_2 (6b1b371b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.27.55.27) |
| 20:43.21 | somiaj | they are different flags in the package database |
| 20:43.22 | Coudy | somiaj, I found it, a= archive, n = codename |
| 20:43.27 | *** join/#debian JurassicJon|TV (~JurassicJ@d24-141-32-175.home.cgocable.net) |
| 20:43.28 | somiaj | n applys to code---correct |
| 20:43.32 | Gm4n | in answer to my own question - using smartctl -x /dev/sdd shows me information about the device including serial number, which will (hopefully) be written on the disk somewhere |
| 20:43.55 | somiaj | Coudy: but I guess the real question is what you are pinning and why, usually you shoudlnt' need this and it can put your system into a broken state |
| 20:44.08 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l too |
| 20:44.23 | *** join/#debian pse (~pse@pdpc/supporter/active/pse) |
| 20:44.35 | jetscreamer | ls -lA /dev/disc/by-<TAB> |
| 20:45.00 | Coudy | somiaj, this is my apt preferences list http://paste.jabbim.cz/5558 , i don't understand why apt-get upgrade want to upgrade kernel to 3.2 version |
| 20:45.00 | Gm4n | cool, thanks jetscreamer |
| 20:45.04 | Gm4n | I'll keep those in mind too |
| 20:45.10 | *** join/#debian myp (~andrew@mx2.admin.tomsk.ru) |
| 20:45.11 | somiaj | Coudy: apt-cache policy <pkgname> is useful |
| 20:45.13 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_lt2 (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 20:45.17 | Gm4n | now time to figure out what the failure mode is - smartctl isn't showing anything wrong |
| 20:45.34 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 20:45.34 | dpkg | i heard metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 20:45.57 | jetscreamer | you probably have a kernel metapackage but i'm guessing |
| 20:45.57 | *** join/#debian drinkycrow (~whoreface@c-68-58-76-30.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:46.06 | somiaj | Coudy: really if you have stable, testing, unstable and experiemntal sources in your sources.list you are just asking for trouble. Almost all debian packages have libc6 and other core thigns as dependencies and you do not want to upgrade that on a stable system. |
| 20:46.36 | *** join/#debian Ridout (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 20:46.41 | *** join/#debian caravel (~caravel@98.Red-81-32-255.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:47.04 | somiaj | ,versions libc6 |
| 20:47.05 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; wheezy: 2.13-24; sid: 2.13-26 |
| 20:47.55 | somiaj | for example your tramission-daemon you have pinned at 1100 will pull in libc6 version 2.13 from wheezy or sid and start to have unknown effects on many of the binaries on your system |
| 20:48.08 | somiaj | Coudy: look into backports. |
| 20:48.12 | Coudy | somiaj, aptitude accept apt pinning too ? or not ? because when I use apt-get upgrade everything is ok, but aptitude upgrade try upgrade kernel to 3.2 |
| 20:48.29 | somiaj | they both use apt_preferences though they have different logic |
| 20:48.30 | jetscreamer | !bp |
| 20:48.35 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 20:48.42 | dvs | !bpo |
| 20:48.42 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
| 20:48.44 | somiaj | Coudy: really You need to think about what you are doing, is your core system debian stable? |
| 20:48.45 | dvs | ?? |
| 20:48.49 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 20:48.52 | jetscreamer | i suck |
| 20:48.54 | dvs | np |
| 20:48.59 | *** join/#debian sghe (~sghe@host111-247-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:49.01 | simonlnu | heh |
| 20:49.09 | Coudy | somiaj, yes, stable, and I want to upgrade only transmission to latest version |
| 20:49.20 | jetscreamer | !ssb |
| 20:49.20 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:49.27 | somiaj | Coudy: that is bad bad juju, do not do what you are doing. Make a backport, I repeate make a backport |
| 20:49.42 | somiaj | Coudy: if you must run that experiemntal package upgrade to wheezy |
| 20:50.00 | jetscreamer | compile it in local |
| 20:50.01 | *** join/#debian nathwill (~nathwill@c-71-237-233-16.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:50.05 | somiaj | though sid is probabaly best base to be at if you want to pull in experimential binaries, but backporting them is a totally different issue |
| 20:50.06 | jetscreamer | don't run experimental |
| 20:50.28 | joar | somiaj: Would this help me too? I long fglrx 12, which is only in unstable at the moment. |
| 20:50.33 | somiaj | Coudy: it isn't the tranmission package that matters, it is it will pull in either whezzy or sids version of libc6 and other variours core packages that effect dpkg. |
| 20:50.43 | jhutchins_lt2 | He could just wait for the package to make it out of experimental. |
| 20:51.11 | somiaj | joar: yes, though I have never tried to backport fglrx. |
| 20:51.36 | *** join/#debian dspider (~dspider@188.25.147.157) |
| 20:51.59 | *** join/#debian _stefanos_ (~stefanos@46.21.62.128) |
| 20:52.07 | joar | somiaj: Do you have any resource on this? I just dropped in and lack a bit of context to search for it on my own |
| 20:52.15 | somiaj | !tell joar about ssbp |
| 20:53.05 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt2: not really going to do him much good if he is running stable, he just needs to backport it. |
| 20:53.34 | joar | thank you somiaj, although I must tell you that it seems like the bot only provides placeholders for links and not the actual links |
| 20:53.53 | somiaj | the <foo> are other factoids |
| 20:54.01 | somiaj | just tell the bot foo and it will spit you out more info |
| 20:54.01 | *** join/#debian vooshy (~vooshy@host109-153-171-189.range109-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:54.08 | somiaj | (in the msg window preferably) |
| 20:54.18 | jetscreamer | no those are other factoid keys |
| 20:54.28 | jetscreamer | just type one in the msg window |
| 20:54.36 | jetscreamer | no <> |
| 20:55.20 | somiaj | just type things and watch dpkg yell at you, that is fun to |
| 20:55.32 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 20:55.32 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:55.53 | dvs | smack |
| 20:56.01 | joar | somiaj: all right, thank you ;) |
| 20:56.44 | joar | dpkg has a lot of easter eggs, it seems :) |
| 20:56.45 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, joar |
| 20:56.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | So why would grub not find the device UUID that update-grub sets in the menu? |
| 20:56.58 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@unaffiliated/m4ggus) |
| 20:57.11 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 20:57.26 | joar | jhutchins_lt2: does it change? |
| 20:57.39 | jhutchins_lt2 | Dunno. Swapped motherboards. |
| 20:57.46 | somiaj | I've had the uuid change before, that could be it |
| 20:59.05 | somiaj | they aren't supose to change, but changing a mobo could change them..I forget exctaly what info they are generated from. |
| 20:59.12 | somiaj | s/forget/never knew/ |
| 20:59.23 | jetscreamer | when you create the fs |
| 20:59.46 | *** join/#debian ellic (~ellic@66-90-198-31.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 20:59.59 | somiaj | jetscreamer: so the uuid is stored in the FS headers? |
| 21:00.15 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 21:00.16 | somiaj | I thought it was generated based on serial numbers and the likes |
| 21:00.39 | jetscreamer | when you create the partition, not the fs, sorry |
| 21:00.50 | jetscreamer | i dunno where't it's stored onthe hd |
| 21:01.05 | somiaj | I always though it was generated, woudln't think the mbr partition table had room for more info like that |
| 21:01.07 | jetscreamer | damn wait |
| 21:01.26 | Mogget | Is it possible to lock down a screen process with processes running in that screen? I wish to turn of my computer without loosing the running screens |
| 21:01.27 | somiaj | so as long as your hardware / partition scheme doesn't change it always generates the same id. |
| 21:01.33 | jhutchins_lt2 | Can anybody point me to instructions for booting grub from the "grub rescue>" prompt? |
| 21:01.50 | jetscreamer | it's the hd, i'm just trying to remember fs or partition |
| 21:02.09 | somiaj | yea its like hd(0,2) or somethign like that, I forget grubs syntax....I'd have to use google |
| 21:02.16 | jetscreamer | partition |
| 21:02.28 | *** join/#debian Woet (~Woet@535572CA.cm-6-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 21:02.29 | jetscreamer | tab complete is your friend in grubshell |
| 21:02.37 | *** join/#debian Woet (~Woet@unaffiliated/woet) |
| 21:02.50 | somiaj | Mogget: what do you mean restore your screens, of course when you shutdown reboot (unless you supsend or hibernate which most modern machines do just fine) you have to restart all your processes |
| 21:02.59 | *** join/#debian Woet (~Woet@unaffiliated/woet) |
| 21:03.05 | *** part/#debian vooshy (~vooshy@host109-153-171-189.range109-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:03.05 | *** part/#debian Kunda (~Kunda@76-253-76-173.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:03.07 | jetscreamer | root hd(0,0) or whatever |
| 21:03.18 | jetscreamer | then kernel vmlin<TAB> |
| 21:03.38 | jetscreamer | you can root hd(<TAB> too |
| 21:03.52 | *** join/#debian alta189 (~alta189@199.180.129.71) |
| 21:04.00 | jetscreamer | err |
| 21:04.07 | jetscreamer | damn i'm suckin i |
| 21:04.11 | *** join/#debian delYsid (~user@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at) |
| 21:04.15 | jetscreamer | it's kernel /boot/vmlin<TAB> |
| 21:04.29 | *** join/#debian delYsid (~user@debian/developer/mlang) |
| 21:04.30 | jetscreamer | then initrd /boot/init<TAB> |
| 21:04.36 | jetscreamer | then type boot |
| 21:04.55 | jetscreamer | oh add root=/dev/whatever after you tab complete the vmlinuz |
| 21:05.11 | Coudy | somiaj, ok, when package isn't in backports, what should be next logical step ? |
| 21:05.12 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (~streuner@mnhm-4d018cad.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 21:05.23 | *** part/#debian eeemsi (msi@shell.noname-ev.de) |
| 21:05.25 | jetscreamer | compile it yourself in /usr/local is one way |
| 21:05.45 | *** join/#debian fdsfsaf (~ffdsafs@64.87.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 21:05.47 | somiaj | Coudy: /msg dpkg ssbp though you were told this already |
| 21:06.10 | somiaj | Coudy: or yea if you dont' want to go though the hassle of making a debian package, just grab the upstream source and compile it, keep the source around so you can 'make uninstall' |
| 21:06.15 | *** join/#debian dspider (~dspider@86.126.24.71) |
| 21:06.17 | jetscreamer | !tell Coudy -about ssb |
| 21:06.17 | somiaj | if you do a lot of software that way, stow can be nice |
| 21:06.18 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@87.112.207.10) |
| 21:06.31 | Mogget | somiaj: i actually mean suspend/hibernate. They don't work on this machine for some reason |
| 21:06.41 | *** join/#debian barxool (~barxool@ver78-5-88-160-138-128.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:07.01 | somiaj | Mogget: well then the processes are stored, what are you using to suspend or hibernate -- you know the difference in the two right? |
| 21:07.06 | Coudy | somiaj, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid or for my current release ? |
| 21:07.22 | jhutchins_lt2 | jetscreamer: I appreciate the guess, but the rescue mode doesn't accept the root command. |
| 21:07.30 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@0209ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 21:07.38 | *** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@unaffiliated/vooze) |
| 21:07.46 | jetscreamer | not a guess, you need to hit c from a grub menu |
| 21:07.50 | somiaj | Coudy: for the release you want the source from. |
| 21:07.59 | Coudy | somiaj, ok |
| 21:08.05 | jetscreamer | or just edit the lines you have |
| 21:08.16 | somiaj | Coudy: note if the version in wheezy is new enough better to pcik that than sid |
| 21:08.17 | Mogget | somiaj: i have no idea what the difference is. All I know is that if I do suspend or hibernate from the "shutdown" menu in lxde. i have to force reboot by taking out the battery |
| 21:08.52 | somiaj | Coudy: mostly because packages are more mature in wheezy and this means any build/packaing bugs have been ironed out |
| 21:09.14 | *** join/#debian ayambit (~aya@128-68-40-183.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 21:09.22 | somiaj | Mogget: suspend is to ram (so your machine needs power to keep the data), hibernate writes the memeory to the swap partition, you can loose power and still recover from this. It takes longer and your swap needs to be big enough |
| 21:09.23 | Coudy | somiaj, but I'm running on squeeze |
| 21:09.35 | jetscreamer | jhutchins_lt2: where did you get the 'grub-rescue' prompt from.. sorry i didn't read the 'prompt' word |
| 21:09.38 | somiaj | Coudy: correct, but you are building from the source in a newer distro |
| 21:09.41 | jetscreamer | you booted... |
| 21:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1244] by debhelper |
| 21:10.03 | *** join/#debian zophy (~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net) |
| 21:10.22 | somiaj | Coudy: I'm just saying the source packge in wheezy is more mature than sid, and thus could have less issues, but that is just a comment, you need to pick one or the other to compile |
| 21:10.25 | Coudy | somiaj, i'm lost, .. |
| 21:10.27 | *** join/#debian minsa (~minsa@c-24-130-176-55.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:10.41 | somiaj | Coudy: do you understand the difference between source code and a binary? |
| 21:10.58 | barxool | to all vim masters: when i do "my", then go down a few lines and then type "y'y", the cursor go back where i typed "my". Is it possible to configure vim so that the cursor doesn't move on "my" ? thx |
| 21:11.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | Something to do with a squeeze install USB being present. I get something like "unable to locate <UUID>", and it goes to a rescue which sees the HD as hd1. |
| 21:11.01 | Coudy | somiaj, yes, I compiled some app from source.. |
| 21:11.04 | oops | seems like there are two display managers in wheezy now. gdm and gdm3. what is gdm3? |
| 21:11.04 | Mogget | somiaj: so how do i know how much swap i need for hibernation? |
| 21:11.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | If I remove the stick I get "Error 18" and no further options. |
| 21:11.39 | Coudy | somiaj, so you are telling me, than I can use binary packages from squeeze, but I can use source packages from wheezy ? |
| 21:11.40 | jetscreamer | oops: i didn't like it personally.. it's like gdm evolved or whatever |
| 21:11.45 | jetscreamer | it's the next version |
| 21:11.53 | oops | is it GNOME 3 you mean? |
| 21:11.56 | jetscreamer | use the source luke |
| 21:12.16 | oops | what is source luke? |
| 21:12.21 | somiaj | Mogget: at least as much as your ram |
| 21:12.25 | Coudy | Mogget, system ram + 20% |
| 21:12.42 | oops | is gdm3 = GNOME 3? |
| 21:13.03 | somiaj | Coudy: yes the reason you cannot use a binary package from wheezy (or sid) is because they are compiled against the libaries (other parts of your os) that are the wheezy versions, so the binary is expecting certain things called dependencies |
| 21:13.28 | *** join/#debian emss (emss@d27-96-124-124.nap.wideopenwest.com) |
| 21:13.45 | somiaj | Coudy: so the idea of a backport is to instaed of just install the binary (since the binaries aren't compiled for your version of debian) is download the source code and comiple it on your machine so you don't have to worry about the dependenices in the wrong debian version |
| 21:14.03 | somiaj | Coudy: just follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ssbp to do this, its a 3-4 step process that works with many packages |
| 21:14.24 | *** join/#debian ofsemisanddinos (~ofsemisan@pool-71-246-127-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:14.47 | jhutchins_lt2 | I'm thinking it might be an error in fstab |
| 21:14.50 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|3 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:d148:47c9:b8ea:f639) |
| 21:14.57 | Mogget | somiaj: i think i know why this is not working. when doing df and mount my swap doesn't show. So when i do cfdisk on the disk i get "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder" |
| 21:15.36 | somiaj | Mogget: still suspend shouldn't matter if you have swap or not, I suspend my desktop with 12gigs of ram and no swap all the time |
| 21:15.44 | somiaj | but hibernate does |
| 21:15.53 | *** part/#debian ofsemisanddinos (~ofsemisan@pool-71-246-127-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:16.02 | iveqy | that still didn't worked. Now the system boots, but just into grub. I get a grub terminal |
| 21:16.08 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|3 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:d148:47c9:b8ea:f639) |
| 21:16.23 | Mogget | somiaj: ok, ill try something here. brb |
| 21:16.28 | jhutchins_lt2 | iveqy: WHat prompt? |
| 21:16.36 | *** join/#debian genschi (~genschi@ivr94-3-82-226-12-202.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:16.50 | *** part/#debian genschi (~genschi@ivr94-3-82-226-12-202.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:17.45 | *** join/#debian PhilSli3 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:d148:47c9:b8ea:f639) |
| 21:17.48 | *** join/#debian rciovati (~rciovati@dynamic-adsl-94-36-157-245.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 21:18.14 | *** join/#debian benf (benf2004@c-98-223-49-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 21:18.14 | *** join/#debian benf (benf2004@unaffiliated/benf2004) |
| 21:18.39 | somiaj | Mogget: I am going to supend my machine and head out, hopefully others can help you further, best of skill |
| 21:19.00 | iveqy | jhutchins_lt2: grub> |
| 21:19.05 | Coudy | somiaj, and what if source package is still older than latest package ? |
| 21:20.59 | *** join/#debian ofsemisanddinos (~ofsemisan@pool-71-246-127-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:21.51 | jelly-home | Coudy: then also read about /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 21:22.53 | *** join/#debian PhilSli3 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:d148:47c9:b8ea:f639) |
| 21:23.09 | *** part/#debian ofsemisanddinos (~ofsemisan@pool-71-246-127-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:23.13 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@87.112.207.10) |
| 21:23.37 | *** join/#debian fdsfsaf (~ffdsafs@17.87.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 21:23.39 | *** join/#debian PhilSli3 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:d148:47c9:b8ea:f639) |
| 21:24.20 | *** join/#debian merethan (~merethan@alfredvaneeuwijk.demon.nl) |
| 21:24.25 | merethan | Hi all |
| 21:24.37 | *** join/#debian `Assassin (~blank@gateway/tor-sasl/assassin/x-99323140) |
| 21:24.54 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 21:25.24 | *** join/#debian PhilSli3 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:d148:47c9:b8ea:f639) |
| 21:26.18 | merethan | I am running into a problem during installing Debian on my OpenMoko Freerunner. The problem is as follows: Due to having two packages defining the same file dpkg exits. How can I solve this the most easy way? Is there a config option for dpkg to overwrite files by default? |
| 21:27.09 | *** join/#debian Valtam (~Valtam@219-89-200-72.adsl.xtra.co.nz) |
| 21:27.09 | *** join/#debian Valtam (~Valtam@unaffiliated/valtam) |
| 21:27.13 | Coudy | somiaj, uupdate is script or package ? my system can't find it |
| 21:27.14 | jetscreamer | force |
| 21:27.15 | merethan | Because the whole shebang is called from scripts and all, I prefer having it done using a dpkg conf file rather than cmdline arguments.. |
| 21:27.29 | simonlnu | that would be foolish to have them overwrite each other by default. it's possible, but can break things. |
| 21:27.37 | merethan | Possibly |
| 21:27.46 | merethan | But it is likely the exact same file. |
| 21:27.55 | jetscreamer | what's openmoko freerunner |
| 21:28.02 | merethan | The packager made a mistake by including it twice I think. |
| 21:28.16 | merethan | Openmoko Freerunner is the open source gsm phone |
| 21:28.17 | simonlnu | edit the script and file a bug with them? |
| 21:28.24 | simonlnu | ah |
| 21:28.35 | merethan | Yes, that would be the next step |
| 21:28.45 | merethan | But this script is long and complicated. |
| 21:28.55 | merethan | And I am not fluent in bash shell code |
| 21:29.12 | *** join/#debian skorzen (~skorzen@a89-154-189-103.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 21:29.14 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@87.112.207.10) |
| 21:29.30 | simonlnu | yes, but the package has a name ;). vim script.sh then /packagename |
| 21:29.44 | merethan | ... |
| 21:29.58 | simonlnu | if you see it twice (press n to find next occurence) then rwemove one |
| 21:30.02 | merethan | No way to make dpkg overwrite files by default? |
| 21:30.18 | *** join/#debian k1ng (~k1ng@unaffiliated/k1ng) |
| 21:30.27 | simonlnu | edit the conf in /etc/dpkg/ |
| 21:30.41 | merethan | BTW, you don't get the problem. The problem is two independent .deb files having the same file in them. |
| 21:30.58 | simonlnu | i take no responsibility in you're doing that |
| 21:31.02 | merethan | The packager made a mistake and included the same file twice |
| 21:31.09 | merethan | Yes i know. |
| 21:31.21 | *** join/#debian Erik8 (6b1b371b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.27.55.27) |
| 21:31.24 | simonlnu | and that would be fixed with later updates i bet |
| 21:31.36 | jetscreamer | restore from backup after you hose it |
| 21:31.36 | simonlnu | good luck |
| 21:31.38 | *** join/#debian tomboy_ (629c345d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.156.52.93) |
| 21:31.53 | jetscreamer | s/after/if/ |
| 21:31.56 | Erik8 | Hello. For gnome 3 on debian, all I need for network manager is just the package network-manager-gnome, right? |
| 21:33.23 | merethan | simonlnu, what config key would I need for having dpkg overwrite files by default? |
| 21:33.35 | merethan | For in the config file |
| 21:33.45 | simonlnu | overwrite; man dpkg |
| 21:33.46 | *** join/#debian willj (~willj__@24.145.85.1) |
| 21:34.01 | merethan | Let's have a look. |
| 21:34.21 | Coudy | jelly-home, hi, what to do if my system can't find uupdate ? |
| 21:34.26 | simonlnu | i want nothing more to do with this |
| 21:34.41 | simonlnu | Coudy: install it |
| 21:34.48 | *** join/#debian Carmivore (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore) |
| 21:34.56 | *** join/#debian Mike632T (~Mike632T@host86-174-40-63.range86-174.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:35.15 | Coudy | simonlnu, aptitude search uupdate show nothing |
| 21:35.59 | *** join/#debian ballcutter (~admin@172.sub-174-253-66.myvzw.com) |
| 21:36.03 | *** join/#debian nomadtacos (~nomad@ip68-101-219-249.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 21:36.11 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 21:37.04 | nemysis | hello to all I will install now Debian on mine other PC, how big is needed Partition, about 10GB is enough I think |
| 21:37.13 | *** join/#debian DF (~DF@S0106002401e59e07.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 21:37.20 | *** join/#debian Bartzy (~bar@82.166.200.207.fix.netvision.net.il) |
| 21:38.56 | *** join/#debian GuindowsHalp (3e632455@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.99.36.85) |
| 21:39.33 | *** join/#debian arietis (~arietis@89.112.11.107.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 21:40.25 | *** join/#debian marcl (~quassel@dsdf-5d82e046.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 21:40.25 | *** join/#debian jasonwert (~w3rt@97-83-100-41.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) |
| 21:40.26 | Erik8 | I installed debian with gnome off a cd, but network manager isn't working like it should. Any ideas? I did apt-get install network-manager-gnome from one of the cds I had, but it isn't showing up like it does on a different wheezy install that I have. |
| 21:40.38 | *** join/#debian matheus_ (~matheus@201.55.158.1) |
| 21:40.43 | matheus_ | night |
| 21:40.50 | *** join/#debian Natureshadow (~nik@201.249-200-80.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:42.57 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@46.208.90.91) |
| 21:43.24 | *** join/#debian Draecos (~Draecos@w-143.cust-11471.ip.static.uno.uk.net) |
| 21:43.25 | *** join/#debian mwallacesd (~mwallaces@unaffiliated/mwallacesd) |
| 21:44.11 | mwallacesd | Hi everibudy! How can I change the vm.swappiness value in Debian Squeeze? |
| 21:45.08 | Erik8 | Is there some sort of driver that I should get to go along with network-manager-gnome? |
| 21:45.54 | *** join/#debian hivemind (~hivemind@91.149.109.26) |
| 21:46.18 | *** join/#debian prince_j1mmys (~mischa@pool-71-247-254-237.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:46.23 | p01s0nb1t | mwallacesd: permanently? see /etc/sysctl.d/README.sysctl (I use local.conf) |
| 21:46.47 | *** join/#debian patterson (~null@c-24-4-180-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:46.51 | *** join/#debian tigran (~tigran@208.87.67.185) |
| 21:46.53 | mwallacesd | Thanks p01s0nb1t |
| 21:47.18 | *** join/#debian phik (~phik@cpc3-lewi16-2-0-cust477.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 21:47.19 | Coudy | jelly-home, simonlnu now what ? Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libevent-dev ( 2.0) and 7 other packages |
| 21:47.19 | p01s0nb1t | mwallacesd: you can edit /etc/sysctl.conf too, but that can make future upgrades have more "diff" work |
| 21:47.24 | *** join/#debian bwana147 (~cbouvi@186.102.21.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 21:48.17 | tigran | to dl the installer, do I just need http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent ? there are 52 cds here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 21:48.55 | czaja | yes, you need only first cd |
| 21:48.56 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|2 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:ecd9:ab91:9215:fb1e) |
| 21:50.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1237] by debhelper |
| 21:50.43 | mwallacesd | I already change that file, add the line vm.swappiness=10 but does not take any effect, whe I run the command # sysctl -q vm.swappiness it is displaying that the value is 10 let me see your recomendation in /etc/sysctl.d/README.sysctl |
| 21:50.44 | tigran | k ty |
| 21:51.30 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|2 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:ecd9:ab91:9215:fb1e) |
| 21:51.53 | p01s0nb1t | mwallacesd: that dir is loaded just at boot time, you can use sysctl -p thatfile |
| 21:52.32 | *** join/#debian v116v (~v116v@79.108.241.20.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 21:53.03 | mwallacesd | I found the file /proc/sys/vm/swappiness it is set as 10 value if I change it will take effect p01s0nb1t ? |
| 21:53.20 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|2 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:ecd9:ab91:9215:fb1e) |
| 21:53.39 | p01s0nb1t | yes, it's the same, you can write to /proc, but that change will be loose at reboot if you do not edit some file in /etc |
| 21:53.45 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport transmission |
| 21:53.47 | judd | Backporting package transmission in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libevent-dev (>= 2.0), libnotify-dev (>= 0.7), qt4-linguist-tools, libnatpmp-dev (>= 20110808). |
| 21:54.34 | mwallacesd | Ok, thanks again p01s0nb1t |
| 21:54.41 | p01s0nb1t | np |
| 21:54.45 | jelly-home | Coudy: well, you can try replacing them with versions that ARE available, or try disabling the bits of functionality that ask for those |
| 21:55.31 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 21:55.41 | jelly-home | Coudy: also, you can try recursively backport some or all of those. Probably not a good option for qt4* |
| 21:55.57 | Coudy | jelly-home, and where I can disable that bit ? |
| 21:56.13 | *** join/#debian Flechmen_disconn (flechmen@66.85.155.60) |
| 21:56.26 | *** join/#debian JohnA (~jla@173.246.2.181) |
| 21:56.56 | jelly-home | Coudy: the unpacked package source has a debian/ directory, the most interesting parts are debian/control and debian/rules |
| 21:57.41 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:57.53 | jelly-home | Coudy: debian/controls lists the build dependencies; debian/rules typically controls how the source is built |
| 21:58.06 | *** join/#debian quinput (~quinput@p5494F6A7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:58.07 | *** join/#debian quinput (~quinput@pdpc/supporter/active/quinput) |
| 21:58.31 | *** join/#debian rciovati (~rciovati@dynamic-adsl-94-36-157-245.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 21:59.00 | *** join/#debian zozeo (~zozeo@ppp-2-85-38-12.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:00.03 | *** join/#debian Tramp (~mt@46-127-15-209.dynamic.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:01.20 | *** join/#debian mangas (~mangas@a89-154-169-57.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:02.02 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-119322.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:03.15 | *** join/#debian krion (~seb@unaffiliated/krion) |
| 22:04.03 | *** join/#debian ERik8_ (6b1b371b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.27.55.27) |
| 22:05.21 | *** join/#debian smica (~smica@pool133-73.cable.tolna.net) |
| 22:07.33 | *** join/#debian amoxibos (~amoxibos@188.127.108.2) |
| 22:07.43 | *** join/#debian skorzen (~skorzen@a89-154-189-103.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:08.00 | *** join/#debian tlab (~tlab@c-98-223-22-156.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 22:09.44 | *** join/#debian drac_h (~drac@2001:ad0:901:1:54ca:e07b:9b5f:4630) |
| 22:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1231] by debhelper |
| 22:11.46 | *** join/#debian bch (~bc@pD9EE8862.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:12.26 | p3rror | i've an error with apt-get http://paste.debian.net/154873/ |
| 22:13.37 | *** join/#debian ballcutter (~admin@172.sub-174-253-66.myvzw.com) |
| 22:14.23 | *** join/#debian Guest40216 (yang@jazz.linuxshell.org) |
| 22:14.28 | *** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem) |
| 22:14.32 | *** join/#debian shifty (~user@114-198-43-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:14.48 | Guest40216 | Which package would be suitable to install additional fonts for program "gimp" |
| 22:16.42 | *** join/#debian lcafiero (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:17.11 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@46.208.90.91) |
| 22:17.51 | *** join/#debian oops (~oops@unaffiliated/oops) |
| 22:18.01 | *** join/#debian Woet (~Woet@unaffiliated/woet) |
| 22:18.32 | oops | while upgrading wheezy, I got a warning about tigon/tg3_tso5.bin, tigon/tg3_tso.bin and tigon/tg3bin missing. It said that they are non-free. What is this tigon thing? |
| 22:19.06 | dvs | !firmware |
| 22:19.07 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:19.31 | tvm | oops: it's network card driver, if i remember right |
| 22:19.39 | oops | but my wifi works. |
| 22:19.45 | *** join/#debian lumines (~lumines@v2201112109206926.yourvserver.net) |
| 22:19.46 | *** join/#debian Carmivore (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore) |
| 22:19.50 | dvs | oops: some versions do not need it though. |
| 22:19.52 | tvm | could be ethernet |
| 22:19.55 | *** part/#debian lumines (~lumines@v2201112109206926.yourvserver.net) |
| 22:20.03 | *** join/#debian keck0f (~keck0f@g226114064.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:20.06 | keck0f | hi |
| 22:20.07 | merethan | The network card needs firmware, but to cut costs it does not have an flash or eeprom to store it |
| 22:20.31 | merethan | If it really is a network card though.. |
| 22:20.43 | keck0f | ist there a way to get X running on squeeze with AMD zacate Fusion 350? |
| 22:21.33 | tvm | tom@debian ~ % apt-cache show firmware-linux-nonfree | grep -i tigon |
| 22:21.34 | tvm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.44 | tvm | so, yeah, install that package if you want it |
| 22:22.08 | oops | i can't understand where all the apps disappear in GNOME 3. |
| 22:22.23 | oops | and xchat no more has a minimize button in gnome3. how do I minimize this window? |
| 22:22.35 | *** join/#debian someg (4382a6af@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.130.166.175) |
| 22:22.59 | zinx | oops: i dunno. i took one look at gnome 3 and dropped gnome entirely. |
| 22:23.03 | dvs | oops, in Gnome 3, you don't |
| 22:23.17 | JurassicJon|TV | i got minimize in xchat on gnome 3 |
| 22:23.19 | someg | I want to install lua socket... luasocket did nothing but take up space... http://pastebin.com/EMpMXebu |
| 22:23.20 | *** join/#debian skorzen (~skorzen@a89-154-189-103.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:23.26 | oops | JurassicJon|TV, how? |
| 22:23.28 | JurassicJon|TV | at least i think i'm running gnome 3 |
| 22:23.39 | JurassicJon|TV | oops, i just had it |
| 22:23.54 | JurassicJon|TV | didn't even know i couldn't have it |
| 22:24.36 | HSorgYves | How is the hostname set on boot? |
| 22:25.45 | wuffi600 | ls |
| 22:26.30 | *** part/#debian someg (4382a6af@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.130.166.175) |
| 22:26.35 | *** join/#debian neorubenx (~rga_@107.176.216.87.static.jazztel.es) |
| 22:26.39 | *** join/#debian ceed^ (~irssi@76-253-64-19.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:26.46 | Erik8 | Anyone here familiar with NetworkManager? |
| 22:26.59 | dvs | !anyone |
| 22:26.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:27.07 | neorubenx | Hi, if a tar has a manpage.1 (with extension .1) how can I read it using man? |
| 22:27.23 | Gm4n | neorubenx: man 1 tar, possibly? |
| 22:27.35 | neorubenx | Gm4n: no, I mean package.1 |
| 22:27.47 | Gm4n | ah, don't know then :) |
| 22:27.53 | dvs | neorubenx: man 1 package |
| 22:27.59 | oops | If a package name has 'c' infront of it, what does it mean? |
| 22:28.19 | dvs | oops: uninstalled but config packages remain |
| 22:28.51 | *** join/#debian zymurgy (~Ben@c-98-213-67-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:28.53 | neorubenx | sorry my english, I mean, for example some custom packages that have files like manual.1, how can I read it? only cat manual.1? |
| 22:29.23 | neorubenx | if the manual.1 is not in manpath etc. |
| 22:29.24 | manganese | neorubenx: nroff -man package.1 | less |
| 22:29.39 | *** join/#debian jimcooncat (~jim@pool-72-65-107-75.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) |
| 22:29.40 | *** join/#debian n3lThon (~n3lThon@bl21-127-25.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 22:29.41 | manganese | or manual.7, or whatever |
| 22:29.53 | neorubenx | manganese: this works!, thanks guys :) |
| 22:30.21 | *** join/#debian Neo_ (~Administr@opennic/Neo) |
| 22:31.01 | *** join/#debian BenNZ (~Ben@118-92-95-249.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 22:32.46 | oops | if I try to install iceweasel how do I know which repo is it going to come from? |
| 22:33.39 | dvs | oops: apt-cache policy iceweasel |
| 22:33.48 | *** join/#debian lcafiero_zareaso (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:33.59 | *** join/#debian flower (~d@178-25-10-1-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 22:34.11 | joar | somiaj: Ironically, fglrx is a non-free package, so building from source doesn't really work :) |
| 22:34.55 | oops | okay, I got the output of apt-cache policy iceweasel. http://pastebin.com/5QJ5fURb what does it mean? |
| 22:35.41 | somiaj | joar: there isnn't non-free sources for it. I personally think the radeon driver is just fine for most uses. I have backpored the nvidia packages before, and they are non-free |
| 22:36.10 | somiaj | joar: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/fglrx-driver -- there is a source package for it |
| 22:36.32 | somiaj | joar: note it will build every fglrx package in non-free and you may not want to install all the variants to build the kernel module |
| 22:38.10 | joar | somiaj: I was using "fglrx" for the build-dep command, my fault :/ |
| 22:38.55 | somiaj | yea you have to use sorce package names, and that is sometimes different than the package name in a case like there were one source package builds numerous binaries |
| 22:39.45 | *** join/#debian Miss_Anthropie (~blob@gssn-4d0021aa.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 22:40.07 | *** join/#debian slvmchn (~slv@c-71-233-237-67.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:40.53 | joar | oh well, building fglrx-driver |
| 22:41.32 | *** join/#debian garryo (~g@host-92-29-128-44.as13285.net) |
| 22:43.22 | joar | by the way, is there any logic to debian's various version names? |
| 22:43.44 | joar | I always thought sid was upd, but now I am under the impression that it is the same as unstable. |
| 22:43.51 | joar | s/upd/old/ |
| 22:44.56 | ompaul | joar: sid is unstable, and the other names come from the film toy story |
| 22:45.11 | ompaul | as does sid but that is a whole other story |
| 22:45.15 | ompaul | !sid |
| 22:45.16 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 22:47.04 | oops | why is my iceweasel not getting installed: http://pastebin.com/piWCAgZM ? |
| 22:48.49 | *** join/#debian PhilSliderS|2 (~kvirc@2a01:e35:87c9:44d0:ecd9:ab91:9215:fb1e) |
| 22:50.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1224] by debhelper |
| 22:50.25 | oops | can anyone help me get this iceweasel installed? |
| 22:51.41 | ompaul | ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:51.42 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-12; wheezy: 9.0.1-1; sid: 10.0-1 |
| 22:51.51 | ompaul | ,versions xulrunner |
| 22:51.52 | judd | Package: xulrunner on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1.8.1.14-3.1 |
| 22:51.59 | *** join/#debian Ambagasdowa (~leviathan@189.190.94.180) |
| 22:52.30 | *** join/#debian caedespe_ (~caedespeu@bas15-toronto63-1177891016.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 22:52.30 | oops | I have pasted the apt-cache policy for iceweasel here as well: http://pastebin.com/piWCAgZM |
| 22:52.49 | ompaul | oops: post /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 22:52.49 | jelly-home | oops: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libnss3-1d xulrunner-11.0" |
| 22:53.12 | *** part/#debian Coudy (~Coudy@nezmar.jabbim.cz) |
| 22:53.19 | ompaul | all of the above are good |
| 22:53.28 | ompaul | for posting |
| 22:53.48 | *** join/#debian rodrigods (~rodrigods@unaffiliated/rodrigods) |
| 22:54.01 | *** join/#debian Scr4tchY (~Scr4tchY@AOrleans-553-1-83-96.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:54.25 | jelly-home | oops: are you SURE you used the correct repos for wheezy (testing) from mozilla.debian.net? |
| 22:54.49 | oops | jelly, http://pastebin.com/739DhzCN |
| 22:55.23 | jelly-home | oops: you're mixing wheezy and a repo for squeeze. That won't work. |
| 22:55.37 | oops | okay |
| 22:55.46 | *** join/#debian dvs (~me@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 22:55.58 | jelly-home | use the correct line from mozilla.debian.net form. |
| 22:56.01 | *** join/#debian hando (~radu@ip72-222-166-227.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 22:56.41 | *** join/#debian sudoman (~sudoman@pool-108-49-0-23.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:57.56 | *** join/#debian anddam (~anddam@151.70.36.229) |
| 22:57.58 | anddam | hello |
| 22:58.11 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:58.25 | anddam | do debian packages append their debian version to the program's upstream version?= |
| 22:58.56 | *** join/#debian _apostate_ (~adrian@46.208.90.91) |
| 22:59.23 | anddam | I was searching the bug discussed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621997 but I cannot see anything called tiemu-3.02-1.2 on tiemu site, there's a single 3.02 version |
| 22:59.41 | *** join/#debian drac_h (~drac@2001:ad0:901:1:54ca:e07b:9b5f:4630) |
| 23:00.23 | sudoman | sometimes there are patches applied by debian, so special version numbers are used at the end of the file |
| 23:01.15 | sudoman | *usually |
| 23:01.31 | anddam | but that's in turn taken from ubuntu on lp: right? |
| 23:01.32 | *** join/#debian jkfod (~Greg_od@31.31.100.76) |
| 23:01.46 | jelly-home | anddam: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 23:01.51 | anddam | I'm actually searching for the patch file to patch macports' package |
| 23:01.56 | sudoman | anddam: ubuntu is derived from debian, not the other way around |
| 23:02.11 | anddam | sudoman: I'm not sure why you're saying that |
| 23:02.17 | sudoman | remembers macports :) |
| 23:02.28 | anddam | doesn't ubuntu have maintainer of its own? |
| 23:02.48 | oops | mozilla.debian.net suggests me this command: apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 23:02.55 | oops | how do I run this using aptitude? |
| 23:03.03 | anddam | sudoman: anyway I was referring to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621997#19 |
| 23:03.18 | oops | aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel => E: The value 'experimental' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 23:03.19 | jelly-home | oops: it also tells you to enable the experimental repo. |
| 23:03.22 | *** join/#debian CowboyNeal_ (~pater@adsl-99-29-198-222.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:03.26 | anddam | it says ": use updated patch 01_gtk_disable_deprecated.dpatch from Ubuntu / Andreas Moog" |
| 23:03.31 | anddam | jelly-home: reading |
| 23:03.33 | sudoman | anddam: they use the packages from debian and patch them further, and choose wich versions of packages to put togethter into an os release |
| 23:03.47 | oops | jelly-home, I've added deb http://your-mirror.debian.org/debian experimental main to my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:03.53 | oops | and I have done aptitude update as well |
| 23:03.56 | *** join/#debian BinaryLinux (~Dick@pool-68-162-62-173.nwrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:03.59 | sudoman | anddam: i suggest you take a look at launchpad.net |
| 23:04.13 | jelly-home | oops: not LITERAL "your-mirror.debian.org", replace with the mirror you usually use! |
| 23:04.20 | anddam | sudoman: been there, I'm not used to it |
| 23:04.22 | oops | *facepalm* |
| 23:04.27 | oops | I just copy pasted that blindly. |
| 23:04.33 | anddam | jelly-home: read, straightforward |
| 23:04.36 | anddam | thanks |
| 23:05.01 | sudoman | anddam: what is the package you are trying to patch in macports? |
| 23:05.07 | anddam | tiemu, ofc |
| 23:05.13 | sudoman | oh fun :) |
| 23:05.31 | anddam | but I'm probably just going to upgrade it, 3.03 seems to be already patched in that regard |
| 23:05.45 | anddam | anyway didn't come to discuss that, I understand that's OT |
| 23:05.56 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~BW~Merlin@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:06.05 | jelly-home | oops: you do need both of those deb lines, because packages in "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ experimental iceweasel-aurora" require dependencies from experimental part of debian |
| 23:06.09 | *** join/#debian noahfx (~noahfx@190.149.117.176) |
| 23:06.51 | sudoman | anddam: OT? |
| 23:07.36 | sudoman | anddam: take a look at this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+package/tiemu |
| 23:07.49 | jhutchins_lt2 | When trying to boot to a lennuy partition from grub2, I get "error: out of disk. \n error: you need to load the kernel first." |
| 23:07.58 | sudoman | download the source package, it might have the patch you are looking for |
| 23:08.13 | anddam | thanks |
| 23:08.29 | anddam | I'm reading the diff from bdo |
| 23:09.16 | *** join/#debian ron-slc (~Ron@173-165-129-125-utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:09.47 | anddam | source package it is |
| 23:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1216] by debhelper |
| 23:11.27 | *** join/#debian drinkycrow (~whoreface@c-68-58-76-30.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:12.31 | sudoman | jhutchins_lt2: is the disk full? try "df -h" from a recovery partition/media |
| 23:12.36 | jhutchins_lt2 | Nope. |
| 23:12.43 | *** join/#debian BWMerlin (~BW~Merlin@142.45.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:12.47 | sudoman | do you have a separate /boot partition? |
| 23:13.42 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 23:13.49 | *** join/#debian rectec (~rectec@75-139-196-172.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com) |
| 23:14.16 | NishaKitty | does anyone know why full screen video stops kde minmising windows via the taskbar panel? |
| 23:14.50 | *** join/#debian ruif13 (~drako@a89-153-246-245.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:15.37 | *** join/#debian Chowzzf (~nomad@ip68-101-219-249.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:15.38 | jhutchins_lt2 | NishaKitty: full screen video in what? |
| 23:15.53 | NishaKitty | jhutchins_lt2: any of my video players does it from smplayer to dragon player |
| 23:16.04 | *** join/#debian fr33k (~fvb@546BEC2E.cm-12-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 23:16.05 | *** join/#debian lcafiero_zareaso (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:16.08 | NishaKitty | soon as I make them full screen I can no longer minimise a task in the taskbar panel by clicking it |
| 23:16.19 | jelly-home | how can you even access the panel if a video is taking the full screen at the same time |
| 23:16.23 | NishaKitty | soon as I take the video player off full scren it works as expected |
| 23:16.28 | NishaKitty | dual scereen? |
| 23:16.32 | *** join/#debian barvarietats (~feanor@203.Red-88-29-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:16.33 | NishaKitty | I have more than one screen |
| 23:17.18 | barvarietats | hi there, I got wheezy, and my front mic is not working, I'd like to know how can I restart audio without having to boot every time, I have to test different Inter HDA models. |
| 23:17.53 | *** join/#debian ozie (~x@p57A1EA1E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:18.33 | jelly-home | NishaKitty: it could the the fault of the window manager not fully supporting multiple screens, or it could be the video player steals focus |
| 23:18.35 | *** join/#debian abchirk_ (~abchirk@f052200099.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:18.46 | somiaj | barvarietats: you have to remove the sound modules (rmmod) and then bring them back (modprobe) |
| 23:18.58 | dvs | !rmmod |
| 23:18.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r foo' instead. See also <modprobe>. |
| 23:19.13 | NishaKitty | jelly-home: I'll try making a window rule to prevent it stealing focus |
| 23:19.17 | jelly-home | rmmod is still shorter to type than modprobe -r |
| 23:19.26 | somiaj | and rmmod isn't a script to do that, figured it was the same thing |
| 23:19.45 | barvarietats | extra extra! ERROR: Removing 'snd': Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 23:20.03 | NishaKitty | no change sadly |
| 23:20.25 | somiaj | probabaly just need to remove/reload the snd-intel-hda module since that is the only one you have changed the paramters to as oposed to the whole alsa module system |
| 23:20.27 | jelly-home | twas just a guess |
| 23:20.29 | barvarietats | FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use. |
| 23:21.05 | jhutchins_lt2 | Is there an "aptitude reinstall all" or "aptitude reinstall *"? |
| 23:21.34 | somiaj | Bry8Star: 'lsmod' look at how some modules depend on other modules, don't remove lower modules first |
| 23:21.40 | somiaj | barvarietats: |
| 23:21.41 | somiaj | Bry8Star: sorry |
| 23:22.02 | jelly-home | barvarietats: you'll probably want to unload all the snd modules from "lsmod" list, in that order |
| 23:22.22 | *** join/#debian tehrabbitt (47ac59bf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.172.89.191) |
| 23:22.40 | arietis | how can i check version of installed package? |
| 23:22.41 | jelly-home | barvarietats: something like... "lsmod |awk '$1~/snd|soundcore/ {print $1}' | xargs -n1 echo modprobe -r" |
| 23:22.45 | tehrabbitt | hey, trying to get my debian system sending / receiving mail but i'm not sure why it can't receive but can only send. |
| 23:22.59 | tehrabbitt | I am behind a PFSense firewall if that is part of it, (port fowarding?) |
| 23:23.04 | ruif13 | hi i need to remove all install of apache php and mysql |
| 23:23.44 | streuner_ | arietis: man dpkg |
| 23:23.44 | ruif13 | but appears when i try appears an error with php5-memcache |
| 23:23.50 | ruif13 | anyone can help? |
| 23:23.59 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt: you WILL need to expose its smtp service on port tcp/25 if you want to receive mail via SMTP. |
| 23:24.01 | tehrabbitt | (what is php5-memcache) just curious |
| 23:24.05 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: Ah okay |
| 23:24.12 | barvarietats | <jelly-home>, and then for loading? |
| 23:24.18 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: was unsure of if it was port 25 or a diff port |
| 23:24.23 | tehrabbitt | brb |
| 23:24.49 | oops | in gnome3 can I pin some of the frequently used apps as shortcuts somewhere? |
| 23:24.54 | ruif13 | tehrabbit dono what is that php5-memcache |
| 23:25.06 | ruif13 | it's the msg when i try to uninstall |
| 23:25.07 | jelly-home | barvarietats: just load back snd-hda-intel with your desired options |
| 23:25.11 | *** join/#debian gnugr (~vangelis@ppp046177107044.dsl.hol.gr) |
| 23:25.16 | barvarietats | <jelly-home>, thanks |
| 23:25.56 | ruif13 | anyoen can help |
| 23:25.57 | *** join/#debian ballcutter (~admin@203.sub-174-253-85.myvzw.com) |
| 23:26.08 | sudoman | oops: i know you can in fallback mode :) |
| 23:26.23 | oops | what is the fallback mode? |
| 23:26.44 | sudoman | ruif13: what if you try apt-get remove php5-memcache ? |
| 23:27.16 | sudoman | ruif13: also, telling us the error might give a hint |
| 23:27.36 | sudoman | oops: in fallback mode, you can alt-right click a panel and add to it. |
| 23:27.59 | ruif13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.07 | ruif13 | sudoman |
| 23:28.16 | oops | sudoman, how do I go to fallback mode? |
| 23:28.27 | sudoman | oops: it looks like gnome2, and doesn't have the gnome shell |
| 23:28.50 | *** join/#debian cerettala_ (~IceChat9@cpe-66-68-87-18.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 23:29.28 | sudoman | oops: you can select it from the gdm login window below your password |
| 23:29.33 | jhutchins_lt2 | ,versions libavcodec51 |
| 23:29.34 | judd | Package: libavcodec51 on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 |
| 23:30.07 | NishaKitty | asked in kde see if I get an answer x.x |
| 23:30.45 | *** join/#debian pikaro (~vinter@p508F7373.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:31.18 | *** join/#debian prbz (~prebz@c83-254-51-59.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:31.29 | sudoman | ruif13: maybe try "apt-get install --reinstall php5-memcache", then try uninstalling it. |
| 23:31.49 | ruif13 | done |
| 23:32.05 | sudoman | :) |
| 23:32.07 | ruif13 | i create an memcache.ini |
| 23:32.16 | *** join/#debian Silent__ (~Silent@103.122.4.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 23:32.16 | *** part/#debian I_Died_Once (~I_Died_On@unaffiliated/idiedonce/x-1828535) |
| 23:32.20 | ruif13 | in the php5/conf.d/ |
| 23:32.31 | ruif13 | and remove |
| 23:32.33 | ruif13 | ;) |
| 23:33.13 | sudoman | the problem with that solution is that there may have been other necessary steps to remove parts from your system. or maybe it was just to reconfigure php5, i don't know. |
| 23:33.27 | pikaro | hi! quick question. i'm just copying a large file to my phone, which was automounted when i plugged it in through usb. from former experiences with usb mass storage (manually mounted) i know that a proper unmount is necessary to ensure that the receiving medium is not corrupted when unplugging it. normally, i would do a sync, then a proper unmount, then unplug the device. is this procedure also applicable and/or necessary with automounted devic |
| 23:33.28 | pikaro | es? |
| 23:33.36 | ruif13 | yap |
| 23:33.48 | sudoman | ruif13: those steps were likely in memcache.ini, according to the error |
| 23:33.48 | *** join/#debian philipballew_ (~philipbal@209.144.63.76) |
| 23:34.14 | rypervenche | pikaro: Yep, sync then unmount. |
| 23:34.18 | pikaro | copying with rsync --prograss, btw. |
| 23:34.23 | pikaro | *progress |
| 23:34.43 | pikaro | ok, thanks :) good to be sure. |
| 23:34.54 | sudoman | rypervenche: is the sync step necessary? |
| 23:35.09 | ruif13 | in forum debian doesnt have a tutorial to install lamp with xdebug |
| 23:35.10 | ruif13 | :/ |
| 23:35.41 | rypervenche | sudoman: Nope, but it's just to make sure. |
| 23:35.45 | *** join/#debian phik (~phik@cpc3-lewi16-2-0-cust477.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 23:35.50 | sudoman | cool |
| 23:36.28 | rypervenche | I add sync at the end of my backup script, just to be sure. I sometimes add a shutdown command after the script completes, so I know nothing will go wrong since sync went off. |
| 23:36.44 | *** join/#debian rectec (~rectec@75-139-196-172.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com) |
| 23:36.57 | rectec | does anyone know how i can rotate the screen? |
| 23:37.32 | sudoman | rectec: in gnome? you can look at the displays configurator, there's an option there |
| 23:37.46 | sudoman | (though that's not what it's called.) :) |
| 23:38.07 | rectec | lxde |
| 23:38.16 | rectec | or is there a terminal cmd? |
| 23:38.26 | rectec | i cant find that option in lxrandr |
| 23:38.31 | sudoman | btw, i just noticed that option seems to be gone from gnome3 |
| 23:39.19 | *** join/#debian fortress (~Tom@S0106001e58286754.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 23:40.00 | *** join/#debian Owner_ (~Owner@209.49.181.24) |
| 23:40.00 | *** join/#debian Owner_ (~Owner@unaffiliated/owner) |
| 23:40.03 | *** join/#debian patterson_ (~null@c-24-4-180-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:41.07 | *** join/#debian palehorse (~palehorse@46.235.233.46) |
| 23:41.22 | *** join/#debian tensorpudding (~michael@99.56.172.57) |
| 23:41.35 | *** join/#debian vader- (vader@c-68-83-57-218.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:41.35 | *** join/#debian folivora_ (out@46.19.34.64) |
| 23:41.38 | *** join/#debian Tabstar (tabmow@freenode/staff/tabmow) |
| 23:41.38 | *** join/#debian lcafiero_zareaso (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:41.50 | *** join/#debian KaiSforza (~KaiSforza@dhcp48.sewn1.iit.edu) |
| 23:42.02 | *** join/#debian zinx_ (~zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 23:42.03 | *** join/#debian el_seano_ (el_seano@reaver.cat.pdx.edu) |
| 23:42.06 | *** join/#debian zendeavr (zendeavor@pool-71-179-255-41.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:42.21 | *** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) |
| 23:42.43 | *** join/#debian dromer (~henk@fedora/dreamer) |
| 23:42.44 | *** join/#debian jeremy_c_ (~jeremy@cowgar.com) |
| 23:42.51 | *** join/#debian dutchfish_ (~wil@unaffiliated/dutchfish) |
| 23:43.10 | *** join/#debian abrotman_ (~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 23:43.22 | *** join/#debian lcafiero_ (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:43.39 | *** join/#debian Virindi (~jess@pool-71-191-251-76.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:43.43 | *** part/#debian Virindi (~jess@pool-71-191-251-76.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:43.45 | *** join/#debian Justin_ (~justin@irssi.datacomm.albany.edu) |
| 23:43.46 | *** join/#debian CrazyGir_ (~jason@li14-82.members.linode.com) |
| 23:43.47 | *** join/#debian awaxa` (awaxa@a.awaxa.com) |
| 23:44.02 | *** join/#debian puc_ (~uux@pool-71-251-173-188.bflony.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:44.26 | *** join/#debian ice799_ (~ice799@67-23-10-49.static.slicehost.net) |
| 23:45.00 | *** join/#debian przemoc86 (~przemoc@unaffiliated/przemoc) |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#debian anoNxeRo (~LessIsMor@unaffiliated/nu253r/x-0655220) |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#debian oconnore (~eric@38.111.17.245) |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#debian pexapor (~rj@tdream.lly.earlham.edu) |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#debian imelkor (~melkor@chaosgate.angband.eu) |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#debian zErOaCid (acid@222.127.25.69) |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#debian ghenry (~ghenry@ghenry.plus.com) |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#debian jameswhite (~whitejs@odin.websages.com) |
| 23:45.22 | *** join/#debian ghenry (~ghenry@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/ghenry) |
| 23:45.22 | *** join/#debian piezo- (~piezo@your.mom.just.got.hacked.jp) |
| 23:45.22 | *** join/#debian Ticho (~Ticho@unaffiliated/ticho) |
| 23:45.22 | *** join/#debian zErOaCid (acid@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) |
| 23:45.22 | *** join/#debian big_g (~gary@pool-71-126-39-92.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:45.31 | *** join/#debian Posterdati_ (~tapioca@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 23:45.34 | *** join/#debian [E]sc (~armani@cm218-252-220-28.hkcable.com.hk) |
| 23:45.35 | *** join/#debian sudoman (~sudoman@pool-108-49-0-23.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:45.36 | *** join/#debian nand` (~nand@static.102.126.46.78.clients.your-server.de) |
| 23:45.38 | *** join/#debian zykotick9 (~ZykoticK9@66.11.174.71) |
| 23:45.42 | *** join/#debian frotz47 (~matthew@cpe-74-75-57-187.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 23:45.46 | *** join/#debian sta19 (~rick@98.124.75.195) |
| 23:45.47 | *** join/#debian BaW (BaW@unaffiliated/baw) |
| 23:45.59 | *** join/#debian keith4 (~keith@greed.cc.lehigh.edu) |
| 23:46.01 | *** join/#debian kmmndr (~tomtom@bro67-2-82-227-110-8.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:46.09 | *** join/#debian brolin_empey (~quassel@66.199.140.123) |
| 23:46.50 | *** join/#debian HeXiLeD (~H3X@unaffiliated/hexiled) |
| 23:46.58 | *** join/#debian hpa (~hpa@terminus.zytor.com) |
| 23:48.06 | *** join/#debian Driver (sbnc@37.218.73.94.ip.orionnet.ru) |
| 23:48.51 | anddam | bye |
| 23:48.55 | *** part/#debian anddam (~anddam@151.70.36.229) |
| 23:49.42 | *** join/#debian drac_h (~drac@2001:ad0:901:1:54ca:e07b:9b5f:4630) |
| 23:50.08 | somiaj | rectec: man xrandr |
| 23:50.13 | *** join/#debian LjL (~ljl@unaffiliated/ljl) |
| 23:51.06 | rectec | thanks |
| 23:51.25 | *** join/#debian CannedCorn (~textual@74.113.160.178) |
| 23:53.06 | *** join/#debian puc (~uux@pool-71-251-173-188.bflony.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:53.55 | *** join/#debian Droolio (~drool@87-194-15-41.bethere.co.uk) |
| 23:54.07 | *** join/#debian debiantonio (rixs_@187.81.163.100) |
| 23:55.01 | *** join/#debian debhelper (~debhelper@crito.ucr.edu) |
| 23:55.21 | *** join/#debian debhelper (~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper) |
| 23:55.21 | *** mode/#debian [+o debhelper] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.20 | *** join/#debian tjigi-fo (~AMD64@c-50-128-145-17.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:56.27 | *** join/#debian dgm_077 (~dgm_077@ip-109-42-28-177.web.vodafone.de) |
| 23:57.29 | *** join/#debian GiBa (~jpborgna@190.221.82.113) |
| 23:57.29 | *** join/#debian ianthius (~shell@unaffiliated/ianthius) |
| 23:57.38 | *** join/#debian GiBa (~jpborgna@unaffiliated/giba) |
| 23:57.51 | *** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@rincevent.net) |
| 23:57.51 | *** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus) |
| 23:58.49 | *** join/#debian AntiSpamMeta (~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.) |
| 23:59.00 | *** part/#debian frotz47 (~matthew@cpe-74-75-57-187.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 23:59.12 | *** join/#debian magnus_ (~magnus@c80-217-204-44.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:59.44 | *** join/#debian gusto (~gusto@ip-109-43-0-72.web.vodafone.de) |