| 00:00.00 | epsas | sudden infant death |
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| 00:00.02 | nsadmin | is there a specific reason you're asking? |
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| 00:00.41 | nsadmin | suburbian indigo drawer |
| 00:01.22 | joseph__ | yes been running one of my development nodes in rotation on nginx proxy with SID and it seems fine |
| 00:01.46 | nsadmin | wait ten minutes |
| 00:02.00 | streuner | maybe devel, but not production server... |
| 00:02.23 | nsadmin | if it seems fine now, is it the case you will never dist-upgrade? |
| 00:02.23 | themill | joseph__: sid is a moving target and that doesn't make for a good server. It also doesn't necessarily receive timely security support. |
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| 00:03.16 | nsadmin | sid is allowed to break, and some breakages have been spectacular... a bad thing for servers... |
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| 00:03.25 | joseph__ | using iptables firewall upfront on nginx proxy and it seems to be quicker than the other 6core machines |
| 00:04.48 | streuner | joseph__: for a production server i expect, its just working, something cost you just money... |
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| 00:05.06 | streuner | joseph__: else* |
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| 00:05.36 | joseph__ | so far so good. |
| 00:05.53 | kevlarman | streuner: development servers that weren't created from the same image as production are a good way to waste a lot of time :( |
| 00:05.55 | joseph__ | do not update except on dev node out side of prod and test there... |
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| 00:06.43 | nsadmin | just wait till the next mirror pulse... you going to take on reading the source of EVERY PACKAGE THAT GETS UPGRADED and try to determine from that whether you should upgrade? |
| 00:06.49 | joseph__ | not if the entire build is from a script that builds it self and I just update versions on the dev. actually saves time |
| 00:07.03 | feanor | is wheezy far from stable? |
| 00:07.31 | streuner | feanor: /msg dpkg wir |
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| 00:07.44 | nsadmin | feanor, 10 miles, turn right, then drive 3/4ths of an inch |
| 00:07.51 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:08.13 | feanor | just wondering, cuz I have a mirror... |
| 00:08.26 | feanor | and everyday has to upload about 1Gb... |
| 00:08.51 | nsadmin | how many would you say use your mirror? |
| 00:08.54 | streuner | feanor: well, new package still arrive into testing |
| 00:09.06 | joseph__ | once every 3 months |
| 00:09.09 | themill | feanor: why are you mirroring? a cache would most likely be a much better option for you. (the freeze is still at least 5 months away) |
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| 00:09.40 | streuner | doesnt know that themill could see into future... |
| 00:09.54 | feanor | <nsadmin> I have to install debian in many computers, often, I got squeeze and wheezy in a local mirror. |
| 00:10.16 | nsadmin | so... the answer is then, 1? |
| 00:10.20 | feanor | no |
| 00:10.38 | jason404 | I followed some instructions to compile and install tranmission without using dpkg, using make. Is it possible to cleanly remove everything it did and go back to the debain build? |
| 00:10.47 | feanor | the answer is 5 to 10 |
| 00:11.38 | nsadmin | feanor, maybe a cache would be better if all 10 of you use it |
| 00:11.54 | feanor | how about new installs? |
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| 00:12.24 | kevlarman | jason404: if it uses autotools, you should be able to make uninstall |
| 00:12.38 | nsadmin | if you assume the cache is initially empty, you'll first get the installer udebs and the base of debian |
| 00:12.50 | feanor | If someone comes bothering "I need a deb install", It's hany to have that local mirror, 100 Mb/s |
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| 00:13.12 | nsadmin | and for the first machine, it pulls all that into the cache from the upstream mirror |
| 00:13.34 | nsadmin | subsequent installs, the cache doesn 't have to go out |
| 00:13.44 | feanor | Connection here is not very reliable, I need to have all packages here, just in case. |
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| 00:14.18 | nsadmin | you absolutely don't need to be using gig/day bandwidth |
| 00:14.28 | jason404 | kevlarman: I cannot see any file called autotools in the directory |
| 00:15.00 | kevlarman | jason404: if it has a file named configure in the source folder, then it's autotools |
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| 00:15.13 | nsadmin | if there's any way of saving that bandwidth you should at least explore it |
| 00:15.21 | jason404 | kevlarman: yes, it has. so what do I do now? |
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| 00:15.33 | kevlarman | jason404: make uninstall |
| 00:15.40 | jason404 | kevlarman: thank you |
| 00:15.43 | feanor | <nsadmin>, well I don't update my mirror everyday, I schedule it for night time. |
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| 00:16.31 | poincare101 | Hi everyone. How would I "loop" mail in Postfix? Basically, even if there is a emai like jason@whatever.com, it still redirects to localhost? |
| 00:16.42 | feanor | and not even everynight. at least with squeeze I didn't eed to check everyday. |
| 00:16.53 | nsadmin | true cost is going to be your bw cost plus the upstream mirror owner's cost |
| 00:17.12 | nsadmin | someone pays for that |
| 00:17.25 | nsadmin | maybe more than one someone |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | feanor: use a proxy/cacher .. having a full mirror is wasteful |
| 00:18.18 | feanor | ok, I'll consider that. |
| 00:18.41 | nsadmin | please do... the mirror owner will thank you |
| 00:18.42 | feanor | but with stable is not that painful |
| 00:18.52 | nsadmin | that's true |
| 00:18.57 | abrotman | feanor: and using a proxy, even better |
| 00:19.06 | abrotman | and more efficient |
| 00:19.20 | nsadmin | what has your connection being so unstable? |
| 00:20.14 | poincare101 | anyone for my question? |
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| 00:20.42 | feanor | <nsadmin>, whatever it is. |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | poincare101: i'd probably ask #postfix |
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| 00:20.52 | poincare101 | abrotman: okay. |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | poincare101: your question is kind of vague though |
| 00:21.21 | abrotman | poincare101: you want all mail to go back to your mail server? |
| 00:21.37 | poincare101 | abrotman: yes. |
| 00:21.39 | feanor | totally off-topic, but u gotta watch this: http://enenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/FD-132t.jpg |
| 00:21.47 | poincare101 | feanor: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | feanor: you're seriously working hard to get banned |
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| 00:22.56 | abrotman | poincare101: so you need all DNS to point to your own box ? |
| 00:23.10 | feanor | wau man, I didn't know there's an #off-topic channel! |
| 00:23.10 | poincare101 | abrotman: no, because I use the box for other things as well :( |
| 00:23.26 | poincare101 | feanor: yeah, and don't spell "wow" like that. |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | poincare101: yeah, i'd ask #postfix .. you're asking to do something odd :) |
| 00:23.37 | poincare101 | abrotman: alright, thanks :) |
| 00:24.00 | abrotman | poincare101: i know some (commercial) mail systems have wild card routing .. dunno if postfix can do that |
| 00:24.10 | poincare101 | abrotman: I'll check |
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| 00:27.16 | Name141 | if the admin to a debian server (removed?) finger, is it possible to tell when he last logged in as a general user? |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | Name141: last <user> ? |
| 00:27.52 | cerebral_monkey | I'm trying to install debian on my Acer Aspire One, and it needs rtl8105e1-fw. I downloaded the firmware-realtek package and put it on an external drive, but when I select "search for firmware on removeable media", the installer continues without letting me configure the wireless card. |
| 00:28.05 | cerebral_monkey | Anyone know how to get it to recognize my wireless card so that I can continue with the installation? |
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| 00:28.28 | Name141 | abrotman: last root -> "wtmp begins Wed Feb 1 08:35:56 2012" |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | Name141: and/or use stat to look and see when his ~/.bash_history was modified ? |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | Name141: man last .. |
| 00:28.50 | Name141 | abrotman: whatever a "wtmp" is.. |
| 00:30.17 | Name141 | abrotman: so he logged in sometime today at Feb 1 08 server time ? |
| 00:30.22 | abrotman | Name141: ls /var/log/wtmp* |
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| 00:31.23 | nkuttler | cerebral_monkey: relevant dmesg lines? |
| 00:31.51 | cerebral_monkey | nkuttler: I'm afraid I didn't capture the log... I suppose I ought to try again and save it |
| 00:31.54 | nkuttler | cerebral_monkey: are you sure you prepared the drive properly? |
| 00:31.59 | nkuttler | !tell cerebral_monkey about installer firmware |
| 00:32.10 | cerebral_monkey | ls shows that it properly mounted with mountmedia |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | !tell cerebral_monkey about firmware installer |
| 00:32.32 | nkuttler | cerebral_monkey: well just mounting isn't enough |
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| 00:32.42 | cerebral_monkey | nkuttler: What else do I have to do to it? |
| 00:33.29 | cerebral_monkey | Ah.. I see I have to put it in a directory called /firmware |
| 00:33.31 | cerebral_monkey | Thank you. |
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| 00:39.36 | teratoma | how can i automatically sign my debs that i create myself ? i have a passphrase for my gpg key. i know i am terrible but i just want it to get signed without me having to type in the passphrase |
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| 00:40.18 | abrotman | remove the passphrase? |
| 00:40.38 | teratoma | but that would be even worse |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | you asked .. |
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| 00:42.57 | jason404 | I've got a orig.tar.bz2 file. I want to edit a file within it. How do I do that? |
| 00:44.27 | jason404 | well, I now how to extract it actually, if that is the only way. It's just that I do not know how to archive it again afterwards |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | man tar |
| 00:44.51 | gnarface | debian is neat! |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | neat? |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | spiffy? |
| 00:45.02 | Woet | clean |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | gnarly? :) |
| 00:45.09 | Woet | cuddly |
| 00:45.10 | Woet | cute |
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| 00:48.22 | cerebral_monkey | abrotman: I moved the .deb to /firmware on the device after mounting it as per the instructions, but the installer still does not find it |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | cerebral_monkey: you have to unpack the .deb IIRC |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | cerebral_monkey: ar x foo.deb .. then tar -zxf data.tar.gz .. then find your firmware .. put it where you need it |
| 00:51.03 | cerebral_monkey | abrotman: Ahh, wonderful! I did not know that you could unpack a deb with tar. I'm on windows right now and I was afraid I'd have to drive to campus just to unpack it on my lab machine |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | cerebral_monkey: no, you unpack it with ar |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | cerebral_monkey: well .. see if 7-zip can do it |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | or grab cygwin ? |
| 00:52.35 | cerebral_monkey | abrotman: Is tar not available from the installer? |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | 'ar' |
| 00:52.56 | cerebral_monkey | ah |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | you can keep staying tar .. i'll keep saying ar :) |
| 00:53.03 | cerebral_monkey | :P |
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| 00:53.08 | abrotman | busybox has 'ar' |
| 00:53.45 | abrotman | and busybox has tar and gzip |
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| 00:54.33 | cerebral_monkey | abrotman: Well I'll try it out. Thank you so much for your help! |
| 00:55.06 | abrotman | wonders why he doesn't stay instead of joining/parting |
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| 01:17.20 | techie26 | lenny to squeeze on i386, I lost: /dev/ram0 . . . , can't find info on setting up ramdisk in squeeze. Where did ram0 go? |
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| 01:17.42 | nobody_ | hi, how can i encrypt whole hdd when i have only debian? |
| 01:17.47 | nobody_ | or debian and windows |
| 01:17.53 | nobody_ | can i do it when install debian? |
| 01:17.55 | nobody_ | or how |
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| 01:20.30 | manganese | nobody_: you set up encrypted LVM. There's an option for this in the installer when you get to disk partitioning. |
| 01:21.08 | manganese | nobody_: You can't encrypte the _whole_ hdd, though -- windows will still be unencrypted, and you'll need a small /boot partition that isn't encrypted |
| 01:21.17 | nobody_ | ok |
| 01:21.26 | nobody_ | but my data wanna encrypt |
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| 01:22.20 | nobody_ | but how do this? |
| 01:22.55 | nobody_ | can i use truecrypt for encrypt whole hdd? |
| 01:22.57 | nobody_ | 2 |
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| 01:33.26 | Sam_F | Hello. |
| 01:33.37 | Sam_F | I am trying to upgrade from debian squeeze to wheezy |
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| 01:34.06 | Sam_F | I've changed my sources file to testing rather than squeeze (using the same sources.list file I had on a computer where I upgrade to testing), and I have run apt-get update |
| 01:34.33 | Sam_F | When I run apt-get dist-upgrade, I get dependency problems. I run apt-get -f dist-upgrade and it only fixes some of them |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | you sohuld change them to wheezy .. |
| 01:35.52 | abrotman | but anyway .. you'll have to use a pastebin to show us |
| 01:35.53 | Sam_F | I go from 0/(about 1000 MB) left to use and 800 MB to install to about 0/600 MB left to and 300 MB left of disk space to install. I keep getting a dependency error that shows up that prevents me from finishing the install |
| 01:36.24 | Sam_F | It shows a bunch of packages and shows what isn't installed. It then does not install any more and makes the upgrade process impossible. |
| 01:38.00 | Sam_F | It also frequently shows "error processing *.deb". I can remove and redownload these, but then it just shows a bunch of dependency problems and recommends -f. I use -f and it doesn't fix it all. It only installs another few packages and goes back to being unfinished. |
| 01:39.14 | Sam_F | Is the x environment being used if I disable gdm3 and boot into single user mode? |
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| 01:40.13 | abrotman | Sam_F: did you try 'apt-get -f install' or 'dpkg --configure -a' ? |
| 01:40.35 | Sam_F | abrotman: No, I haven't. What do they do? |
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| 01:42.19 | nsadmin | Sam_F, that info is in the man pages for apt-get and dpkg |
| 01:43.09 | Sam_F | I just did both of them. |
| 01:43.16 | Sam_F | They both showed the same kind of dependency problems. |
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| 01:45.03 | abrotman | Sam_F: pastebin |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | Sam_F: if you're not going to show us . we'll just keep guessing |
| 01:45.33 | nsadmin | well you can :) |
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| 01:46.04 | raj | what're backports? |
| 01:46.07 | raj | regarding the repo |
| 01:46.12 | Sam_F | abrotman: I'm sorry. I can't pastebin. I'm trying to do the upgrade with gdm3 disabled because the dist-upgrade breaks my screen (icons mess up, stuff stops working)! |
| 01:46.29 | Sam_F | abrotman: I've been trying to do this for a month and still no progress |
| 01:46.39 | Sam_F | abrotman: I'm not joking either. :( |
| 01:46.45 | rypervenche | Sam_F: Do you have Internet access with the computer? |
| 01:46.46 | somiaj | !tell raj about backports |
| 01:46.50 | Sam_F | abrotman: Every day for a month |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | !tell Sam_F about pastebinit |
| 01:47.03 | Sam_F | rypervenche: Yes, I do. I have it when I make a new install though |
| 01:47.03 | somiaj | raj: backports are newer software comlied against the libaries in stable. You can either make your own or get a premade one. |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | Sam_F: or ssh in and get it |
| 01:47.32 | raj | what do you mean 'against'? |
| 01:47.51 | Sam_F | rypervenche: But since I tried to do the dist-upgrade, it breaks the gui (which I use to connect to a usb modem) and generally do most stuff on the computer |
| 01:48.31 | abrotman | raj: compiled for use with 'stable' |
| 01:48.49 | rypervenche | Sam_F: check PM |
| 01:49.17 | raj | abrotman, how does that work? |
| 01:49.37 | raj | if I do sudo apt-get whatever, it'll get the latest version of the software? |
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| 01:50.11 | raj | because the library owner "backported" |
| 01:51.01 | abrotman | raj: only for things that have been backported |
| 01:51.05 | abrotman | raj: why are you really asking? |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | have you read backports.debian.org yet? |
| 01:51.34 | somiaj | raj: if you add teh backported sources you need to tell apt-get to install from backports. 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install foo' -- this is due to default pinning keeping backported backages from automatically installing. |
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| 01:51.50 | somiaj | (provided of course someone made a backport for you to install) |
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| 01:52.35 | z28 | raj: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 01:52.54 | raj | thanks somiaj, abrotman |
| 01:53.00 | raj | and z28 |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | z28: Do you have a .. Bitchin' Camaro ? |
| 01:53.52 | z28 | abrotman: I sold it :( |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | thinks no one got the song reference .. :( |
| 01:54.23 | z28 | abrotman: yeah, i remember the song too. |
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| 01:55.22 | z28 | abrotman: it was a bitchin camaro, a z28 not just a camaro. /end off-topic && how did you know? |
| 01:55.44 | z28 | abrotman: of course the nick, nm. |
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| 01:56.04 | abrotman | Sam_F: heh |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | whoops |
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| 02:18.09 | jason404 | is it possible to unpack a .deb file and modify the source and repack it? |
| 02:18.34 | somiaj | jason404: why do you want to do this? |
| 02:18.44 | somiaj | jason404: as opposed to just recompile the source and pack a new custom deb. |
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| 02:19.33 | somiaj | also what do you mean by modify the source -- the binary deb won't contain the source code, so are you just wanting to modify some of the control/info fields? |
| 02:19.37 | dorp | When I add sshd: update-rc.d sshd defaults ... I get: update-rc.d: warning: sshd stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1) ... While Default-Stop: 0... I interpret "1" wrong? |
| 02:19.42 | jason404 | somiaj: I have have been trying to compile from source into a .deb (I've done it several times before) but thsi rogram is causing a lot of problems |
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| 02:20.12 | somiaj | jason404: well maybe explain what it is you really want to do/achive and you might get some decent advise. |
| 02:20.45 | somiaj | dorp: have you looked at the LSB header for the sshd init.d script? |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | jason404: which package is it ? |
| 02:21.00 | dorp | somiaj: Yes, Default-Stop: 0 |
| 02:21.19 | go^ | HI! |
| 02:21.23 | jason404 | somiaj: I have been trying to compile a recent version of transmission, but it has not been working out |
| 02:21.24 | jason404 | http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/transmission |
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| 02:21.54 | somiaj | jason404: what have you done? You are trying to make a backport of this for squeeze? |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | !tell jason404 about ssb |
| 02:22.14 | somiaj | what was the command to see if squeeze satisifys the build-dep for a backport |
| 02:22.23 | somiaj | ,backport transmission |
| 02:22.35 | jason404 | there is nothing in the backports |
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| 02:23.28 | somiaj | the bot here has a command that it searches though all the build-deps and sees if there are any noticable issues with compling that version on squeeze |
| 02:23.30 | jason404 | the reason I am doing this is because I have to build it from source anyway, to avoid this problem when running the web interface through HTTPS |
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| 02:23.55 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
| 02:23.58 | jason404 | so I thought I may as well comile a recent version rather than the really old version in the repository |
| 02:24.00 | somiaj | jason404: have you tried to follow the ssbp rules and just see if it works for the package from experiemential? |
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| 02:24.19 | Ronis_BR | I'm having noise in mic recording using debian. Problem doesn't exist with windows or ubuntu. I think it is related with noise canceling |
| 02:24.32 | jason404 | somiaj: no, I do not know what the ssbp rules are |
| 02:24.48 | somiaj | jason404: though usually backports come from testing or unstable -- if those versions are new enough you may have better luck backporting them. But the newest in experiemental probabaly backports just fine |
| 02:24.59 | somiaj | jason404: look at the factoid abrotman had dpkg send you (it should be in a /msg window) |
| 02:25.16 | jason404 | ok |
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| 02:27.12 | somiaj | Ronis_BR: if it works fine in ubuntu pay attention to the actual recodring software and/or sound module used/settings and then compare that to debian. Sometimes you can spot the difference to fix the problem. |
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| 02:28.02 | celthunder | can you use ipv6 in the debian netinstaller |
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| 02:28.09 | Ronis_BR | somiaj: It is difficult, since I need to reboot everytime... |
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| 02:29.14 | nsadmin | Ronis_BR, locate the problem |
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| 02:32.08 | jason404 | somiaj: so to uudate the old source from the repo, which file do I need to use out of these? |
| 02:32.09 | jason404 | http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/transmission |
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| 02:32.57 | somiaj | jason404: you need the 'source' package. choose the binary package you want and then find the name of its source package |
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| 02:33.38 | jason404 | somiaj: I have done... |
| 02:33.53 | jason404 | apt-get source transmission |
| 02:34.09 | jason404 | now don't I need one of the files on http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/transmission ? |
| 02:34.12 | somiaj | jason404: from there just follow the rules in that ssbp factiod (/msg dpkg ssbp) |
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| 02:34.30 | somiaj | you do need to add a deb-src line for the debian version you want to backport from. Read, think and experiement |
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| 02:37.01 | jason404 | somiaj: I have always had squeeze backports in the sources list |
| 02:37.02 | jason404 | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 02:37.33 | jason404 | do you mean I can use another version of debian's backports? |
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| 02:38.27 | simonlnu | there isn't any. he said "add a deb-src" |
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| 02:38.45 | simonlnu | that means, to add the source packages |
| 02:39.03 | jason404 | to the same soucres list file? |
| 02:39.10 | simonlnu | you simply copy that backports line, and instead of deb you put deb-src. just like the factoid says. |
| 02:39.22 | jason404 | ok |
| 02:40.11 | somiaj | well dont' copy it exctally, you need to replace 'squeeze-backports' with the debian version you wish to access the source from |
| 02:40.22 | simonlnu | you need to update afterwards. re-read the factoid please. |
| 02:40.34 | jason404 | simonlnu: but backports for squeeze is still the same version of the source that I have got from apt-get source |
| 02:40.35 | simonlnu | oh, yeh, sorry, my bad, but pretty much |
| 02:40.52 | jason404 | ok |
| 02:41.13 | simonlnu | blames the flu he has :P |
| 02:41.32 | jason404 | somiaj: and you say do not use experimental? |
| 02:41.54 | simonlnu | would be a good idea to not use that yes |
| 02:42.02 | jason404 | ok |
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| 02:42.19 | somiaj | if the version in wheezy or sid is upto date enough for you, you will have better luck whit those packages |
| 02:42.35 | jason404 | ok |
| 02:42.46 | somiaj | there is nothign wrong with grabing the exerimential source, but the binaries/source are put there because they dont' play nicely with sid (which is a feat in its own right) |
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| 02:43.16 | simonlnu | for sure. experimental the packaging is often... experimental, and the code it packs up often is too ;) |
| 02:43.38 | jason404 | it's the same version for sid and wheezy. shoudl I just add sid to the list, as other backports frim it are more likely to work in squeeze? |
| 02:43.42 | simonlnu | waits for his nginx build to finish |
| 02:44.12 | somiaj | jason404: you aren't seeing the difference between a 'source' package and a 'backport' or 'binary' package. |
| 02:44.30 | somiaj | jason404: you are not installing a backport from sid, you are compling one against sids version of the source. |
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| 02:44.45 | somiaj | well not against, with sids version of the source |
| 02:44.48 | jason404 | i see |
| 02:45.19 | somiaj | so it will make no difference if you use wheezy deb-src or sid deb-src for this source package since it is the same version |
| 02:45.33 | simonlnu | they'll work for squeeze if it's rebuilt for it. the dependencies are different, both in version and support or lack thereof for various things. that's why you backport it (build it on an older system) |
| 02:45.42 | somiaj | though most backports are taken from wheezy (as packages have had longer to mature in the debian system by the time they make it that far) |
| 02:45.53 | simonlnu | as to not break your squeeze ;) |
| 02:46.15 | simonlnu | yeh, that's true. the packaging bugs are ironed out too |
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| 03:03.15 | shinbatsu | Hello. I am getting some annoying warning messages. I'm pretty sure this is a quick fix but, I guess my understanding was not what I had expected. http://pastebin.com/9ZRjfHzV |
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| 03:04.46 | somiaj | shinbatsu: dpkg-reconfigure locales (and make sure you have that package installed) |
| 03:05.13 | somiaj | debootstrap seems to not install that package and I never actually cared to figure out why, I just know install it to fix locale problems. (: |
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| 03:06.29 | shinbatsu | somiaj, oh nice, thanks :-D But, after that ran, the same things came up |
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| 03:07.07 | somiaj | shinbatsu: what does 'locale' print? |
| 03:07.30 | somiaj | shinbatsu: when you did dpkg-reconfigure locales it did ask you questions about what ones to build and what one is default? |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | did he actually choose any to build ? |
| 03:08.21 | shinbatsu | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/DfgWhzj8 |
| 03:08.31 | shinbatsu | somiaj, it did |
| 03:08.46 | shinbatsu | well, it just gave me a prompt to select which ones I wanted to use |
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| 03:09.18 | somiaj | well make sure you build every locale in that list, you need en_US.UTF-8 and en_CA.UTF-8 (though strange you only use it in one place) |
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| 03:09.55 | somiaj | seems it is complaining about the LC_MESSAGES=en_CA.UTF-8 (the odd one in the list) |
| 03:10.37 | shinbatsu | ah, fixed |
| 03:10.42 | shinbatsu | yeah, that is strange |
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| 03:14.42 | jason404 | hunk? wtf is a hunk? |
| 03:14.55 | jason404 | Hunk #1 FAILED at 608. |
| 03:14.56 | jason404 | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file libtransmission/rpc-server.c.rej |
| 03:15.14 | jason404 | am I the hunk that failed? |
| 03:15.40 | somiaj | jason404: might want to paste bin the exact commands you wrote. One of the debian patches failed to apply to your source during the build, this is a build-bug. Did you grab the experimential or sid source? |
| 03:15.49 | somiaj | well exact commands and output |
| 03:16.47 | jason404 | I actually gave it a shot with the experimental first, as I have spent a whole night compiling dependencies for it and making symlinks to tham and crap like that |
| 03:17.27 | somiaj | well it could be a bug in the package, you aren't trying to also apply your own pathes beyond the ones that come with debian source? |
| 03:17.30 | jason404 | one of my sister's friends called me a hunk once, around 15 years ago |
| 03:17.33 | abrotman | jason404: why doesn't the transmission in squeeze work for you ? |
| 03:18.20 | jason404 | abrotman: the webui doesn't work through HTTPS, which is dumb |
| 03:18.33 | somiaj | abrotman: I belive it is he has to recompile it anyways for some feature, and wanted to compile a newer version. |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | jason404: can't you just use rtorrent and screen ? :) |
| 03:20.31 | jason404 | abrotman: once y0ou soend two whole days on some crap, there's no going back |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | path of least resistance ? |
| 03:21.10 | somiaj | its call stuborness, it usually isn't a good quality, but it gets thigns done one way or another |
| 03:21.12 | jason404 | no surrender |
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| 03:22.29 | jason404 | and what's more, I don't even torrent much at all |
| 03:23.05 | jason404 | I'm just really getting into networking stuff |
| 03:23.25 | jason404 | I have a Rackspace server in London and an Amazon EC2 server in the US |
| 03:23.36 | jason404 | they are VPN's together |
| 03:23.44 | jason404 | VPN'd |
| 03:23.55 | jason404 | 100 mmbit connections |
| 03:24.39 | jason404 | I want to see how blinding fast I can download stuff with two servers in different continents torrenting to eachother thorugh VPN and my VDSL connection at home |
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| 03:28.26 | jason404 | this is the last time I am going to compile anything in my entire life |
| 03:29.47 | loop- | you have a bright future ahead of you |
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| 03:30.44 | jason404 | loop-: I'll just pay you to do it for me |
| 03:31.33 | nsadmin | or howbout just use these things called precompiled packages |
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| 03:31.55 | jason404 | that, is the plan |
| 03:32.59 | jason404 | ok, I have the damn sid source list done, but how do I download the sid source? |
| 03:33.13 | abrotman | did you read the 'ssb' factoid ? |
| 03:33.18 | jason404 | yes |
| 03:34.12 | nsadmin | if you have failed hunks then either the patch is flawed or the source is not the source from which the patch was made |
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| 03:35.08 | nsadmin | perhaps you edited the code |
| 03:35.25 | abrotman | i think we're beyond that .. |
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| 03:37.22 | jason404 | it's failing on dependencies, but they are not ones I shoudl need, as I do not want to damn gui |
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| 03:38.01 | abrotman | it builds all of the packages |
| 03:38.22 | nsadmin | you'll need the build deps to do that |
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| 03:38.37 | haole | hello there... i have a minimal squeeze install on a server in which the network connection seems to be well configured (i can ssh into the machine, the address is in the range, etc) but i get no internet connection... i have dns in /etc/resolv.conf... what could be wrong? how do i debug this? |
| 03:38.39 | jason404 | so I need all the qt and gtk stuff installled?? |
| 03:39.06 | abrotman | haole: how did you configure the network ? |
| 03:39.17 | nsadmin | at least the subset of that which is needed by the thing you're compiling |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | jason404: or figure out how to have it not build those frontends |
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| 03:39.49 | haole | abrotman, its an installation using fai... it was probably with legacy network configuration (ifupdown and such) |
| 03:39.59 | nsadmin | much easier to install the deps :) |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | haole: /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 03:40.07 | nsadmin | otherwise you have to think about something :) |
| 03:41.17 | haole | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/fzkR5yG0 |
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| 03:41.45 | abrotman | haole: it has no address/netmask/gateway ? |
| 03:42.02 | haole | abrotman, no, but ifconfig shows the right stuff lol |
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| 03:43.08 | abrotman | haole: okay .. so how are you setting the IP? |
| 03:43.29 | abrotman | haole: so ... man interfaces .. setup the network correctly |
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| 03:43.57 | haole | abrotman, i'm not... it's probably some script during the installation that i still haven't bumped in... but i'm curious about this: the configuration looks correct in ifconfig, the gateway is correct, i have dns and no internet |
| 03:44.01 | haole | don't know how to debug this |
| 03:44.13 | abrotman | haole: you don't have a route ? |
| 03:45.55 | haole | abrotman, looks like i do... gonna pastebin |
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| 03:46.23 | haole | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/fkpj4DQG |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | and is that correct? |
| 03:47.21 | abrotman | can you ping your gateway ? |
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| 03:48.19 | haole | abrotman, yes, i can ping my gateway |
| 03:48.28 | haole | and i'm on the same network as this server and i have internet |
| 03:48.40 | haole | that's way i'm helpless about this |
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| 03:51.09 | z28 | haole: Is the last line in /etc/network/interfaces necessary? |
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| 03:52.00 | haole | z28, don't know... maybe not |
| 03:52.02 | z28 | haole: i.e., iface eth0 inet manual |
| 03:52.06 | abrotman | shuld probably be static or dhcp ? |
| 03:52.16 | z28 | haole: try commenting it out. |
| 03:52.27 | haole | z28, gonna try in a moment |
| 03:52.30 | z28 | hot-plug should suffice |
| 03:52.38 | haole | but i'm thinking about something |
| 03:52.42 | haole | my gateway is my router |
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| 03:52.53 | haole | but the dhcp is provided my my laptop (which i'm using right now) |
| 03:52.58 | haole | and the server gets the ip from the laptop |
| 03:53.24 | z28 | haole: ah, that may account for it then. |
| 03:53.28 | haole | hope this doesn't mess up the configuration |
| 03:56.06 | haole | i think dnsmasq is misconfiguring the gateway |
| 03:56.11 | haole | gonna read its documentation a bit more |
| 03:57.24 | haole | oh, dnsmasq was setting the gateway to my laptop :) |
| 03:57.26 | haole | that should explain it |
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| 03:59.20 | Blue1 | haole: this might help: http://pkill-9.com/making-ubuntudebian-linux-do-its-own-dns-domain-name-service/ |
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| 04:01.09 | haole | it worked... it was a misconfiguration in dnsmasq |
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| 04:01.10 | haole | thanks guys |
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| 04:06.52 | jason404 | these intstructions say do this: |
| 04:06.53 | jason404 | apt-get -b source packagename |
| 04:07.16 | jason404 | but does that use the modified source which I have already downloaded and modified? |
| 04:07.24 | yodaboy22 | hey guys, don't delete dpkg |
| 04:07.27 | yodaboy22 | like i did |
| 04:07.31 | jason404 | ok |
| 04:07.46 | civillian | yodaboy22: dpkg is over-rated? |
| 04:07.49 | jason404 | sounds like good adivice |
| 04:08.07 | simonlnu | wonders what prompted yodaboy22 to do that... |
| 04:08.34 | yodaboy22 | simonln: all i wanted was a c compiler to install firefox |
| 04:08.38 | simonlnu | that's ok, i once deleted /bin |
| 04:08.53 | jason404 | I am tempted to tell apt-get fucked |
| 04:09.02 | yodaboy22 | haha, so i just made a classic noob mistake then |
| 04:09.14 | simonlnu | c compiler to install firefox? |
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| 04:09.31 | yodaboy22 | wait, no |
| 04:09.34 | yodaboy22 | irrsi |
| 04:09.38 | jason404 | apt-get -b source packagename - this downlaod the soruce, yes? how do I do the same, but with the local modified source? |
| 04:09.40 | yodaboy22 | irrsi requires gnu |
| 04:09.47 | yodaboy22 | which wasn't installing |
| 04:09.58 | yodaboy22 | i thought updating dpkg would work |
| 04:10.03 | simonlnu | jason404: read man apt-get ? |
| 04:10.09 | yodaboy22 | so i though i had to remove the old dpkg |
| 04:10.31 | simonlnu | no. you don't have to. |
| 04:10.48 | simonlnu | packages are built with upgrading in mind |
| 04:10.50 | yodaboy22 | fuck |
| 04:11.06 | yodaboy22 | didn't know that; thanks |
| 04:11.15 | simonlnu | you can even downgrade, but it's not supported by the package system |
| 04:11.21 | yodaboy22 | as a first time debian user |
| 04:11.27 | simonlnu | you'll get warned, things might break |
| 04:11.30 | yodaboy22 | or linux user for that matter |
| 04:11.38 | yodaboy22 | i'm switching to mint |
| 04:11.56 | simonlnu | doesn't see what the difference would be |
| 04:12.04 | karlpinc | yodaboy22: As a first time debian user see the <introduction> and <overview> factoids. (E.g., type "/msg dpkg overview" into your irc client.) |
| 04:12.04 | simonlnu | other than distro |
| 04:12.18 | yodaboy22 | kk |
| 04:12.29 | yodaboy22 | someone told me mint was more usable |
| 04:12.57 | simonlnu | yodaboy22: the basic tools are all the same on .deb-based distros. libapt, dpkg, etc. like- .rpm-based distros have rpm |
| 04:13.08 | karlpinc | yodaboy22: Debian's emphasis is on free, as in freedom, so you must enable non-free stuff. See the <overview> factoid. That's why debian is "hard to use". |
| 04:13.13 | simonlnu | yodaboy22: you make up your own mind as to what's usable |
| 04:13.45 | simonlnu | try them all, stick with the one you like best. they all have their quicks, benefits, etc. |
| 04:13.55 | simonlnu | er, quirks even |
| 04:14.35 | simonlnu | i got 'lucky' and found the one i like best first |
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| 04:15.15 | simonlnu | (yes, this one ;) |
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| 04:15.45 | yodaboy22 | anyway, grub is still on ther |
| 04:15.55 | yodaboy22 | i burned win7 recovery on my usb |
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| 04:16.02 | simonlnu | you can still save it. take a bit of "CLI action" |
| 04:16.11 | yodaboy22 | ...CLI? |
| 04:16.21 | simonlnu | wget the right dpkg.deb, unpack it with ar and tar |
| 04:16.27 | simonlnu | command line interface |
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| 04:16.58 | simonlnu | or use your favourite brwoser to get it |
| 04:17.04 | simonlnu | browser* |
| 04:17.04 | yodaboy22 | on windows you say |
| 04:17.10 | simonlnu | no, debian |
| 04:17.16 | yodaboy22 | it's broken |
| 04:17.27 | yodaboy22 | like, it started deleting so much |
| 04:17.29 | simonlnu | is it only dpkg that's borked? |
| 04:17.34 | yodaboy22 | it went to a black screen |
| 04:17.35 | simonlnu | aah, i see |
| 04:17.35 | yodaboy22 | yeah |
| 04:18.08 | simonlnu | nm then. if it was only dpkg, then it would easier than a reinstall |
| 04:18.40 | yodaboy22 | well even if i try to reinstall |
| 04:18.47 | yodaboy22 | and boot from usb |
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| 04:18.51 | yodaboy22 | it still goes to grub |
| 04:19.24 | simonlnu | what do you mean by "goes to grub?" is that what it says? something like "grub>" ? |
| 04:19.47 | yodaboy22 | "Loading GRUB" "Welcome to GRUB" |
| 04:19.56 | yodaboy22 | then it goes to debian boot screen |
| 04:20.01 | simonlnu | ok |
| 04:20.29 | yodaboy22 | i have some choices, debian, debian recovery mode, something about a cookimmg kernel and win7 loader |
| 04:20.32 | nsadmin | which is a list of things to boot? |
| 04:20.42 | simonlnu | ok |
| 04:20.54 | simonlnu | doesn't see a problem so far |
| 04:20.59 | nsadmin | does the win7 loader boot windows? |
| 04:21.16 | jason404 | simonlnu: how do you compile from local source? |
| 04:21.36 | simonlnu | jason404: you need build tools. start with installing build-essential |
| 04:21.47 | jason404 | I have all of that |
| 04:21.48 | yodaboy22 | yeah it does |
| 04:21.51 | simonlnu | jason404: then, apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 04:21.59 | joseph__ | hi |
| 04:22.04 | jason404 | I have done that |
| 04:22.07 | simonlnu | might want to install debuild, and devscripts too |
| 04:22.30 | jason404 | I have installed everything |
| 04:22.32 | yodaboy22 | ah yes, when debian was working it couldn't find package build-essential |
| 04:23.08 | simonlnu | if your sources.list was broken, it means install was interrupted |
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| 04:23.45 | simonlnu | jason404: ok, so cd to the source, and run debuild -rfakeroot |
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| 04:23.54 | jason404 | I have the three source files and the unpacked modified source |
| 04:23.54 | simonlnu | !tell jason404 -about nmg |
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| 04:27.17 | jason404 | which is thew file I need to edit to stop it from building the GTK+ client? |
| 04:27.26 | jason404 | where are the options? |
| 04:27.32 | joseph__ | hi |
| 04:27.36 | simonlnu | i don't know. you need to find that out. |
| 04:27.49 | simonlnu | i don't even know what you're trying to build |
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| 04:33.47 | jason404 | I give up |
| 04:33.55 | bahaa | :o |
| 04:34.01 | jason404 | transmission is a steaming pile of shit |
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| 04:35.21 | simonlnu | ah, you're the one trying to build that =) |
| 04:40.29 | bahaa | jason404 tried qbittorrent? |
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| 04:40.59 | jason404 | so basically I have the option of using an old version of transmission, ahich also does not run its webui thorugh an apache HTTPS reverse proxy (nor does the latest version, althoiugh it has its own SSL support), or I can compile transmission using make, which results in non-debian locations and weird stuff going on |
| 04:42.20 | jason404 | bahaaL that appears to be a gui program |
| 04:42.32 | kevlarman | is there a quick way to downgrade everything from sid to testing? hunting down a bug and i have one person who says it works on testing |
| 04:43.01 | kevlarman | i'd just reinstall but it took me hours to find all the packages i need to actually make wine build |
| 04:43.12 | bahaa | jason404, and you want a command line one ? |
| 04:43.16 | kevlarman | i'd rather not repeat |
| 04:43.50 | jason404 | bahaa: yes. This is for an Amazon EC2 server |
| 04:44.04 | bahaa | jason404 , i see |
| 04:47.03 | bahaa | jason404 , https://answers.launchpad.net/qbittorrent/+question/10506 |
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| 04:48.37 | jason404 | bahaa: all that says is that it is a gui-only program |
| 04:48.42 | jason404 | a frontend for Libtorrent |
| 04:48.59 | bahaa | planned to have a CLI |
| 04:49.02 | Rusty1 | there are #transmission and #winehq channels FWIW |
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| 04:49.45 | jason404 | Rusty1: my issue is to do with compiling debian packages |
| 04:49.51 | bahaa | also you might want to check rTorrent (command line) with rtGUI (web interface for rTorrent) |
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| 04:50.25 | bahaa | http://code.google.com/p/rtgui/ |
| 04:50.29 | jason404 | bahaa: ok thanks, I'll consider that |
| 04:50.53 | bahaa | :) |
| 04:51.04 | bahaa | good luck |
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| 04:59.06 | Mephisto | hey bahaa |
| 04:59.09 | Mephisto | so you're here now |
| 04:59.34 | Mephisto | question: |
| 04:59.35 | nsadmin | it's good to be here now... just ask Ram Dass |
| 04:59.50 | Mephisto | one more time i'm asking this question but also providing a few more details |
| 04:59.51 | bahaa | hey Mephisto lya |
| 05:00.14 | nsadmin | that would be a good thing: |
| 05:00.18 | Mephisto | i've been experiencing this problem ever since started using linux. Though i have it only using Gnome and KDE. |
| 05:00.18 | bahaa | video card driver? |
| 05:00.19 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 05:00.19 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 05:00.35 | bahaa | font sharpening ? |
| 05:00.40 | Mephisto | i have a prob with reading some media |
| 05:00.41 | Mephisto | haha |
| 05:00.42 | Mephisto | no bahaa |
| 05:00.49 | Mephisto | i told you i've solved all of those |
| 05:00.59 | Mephisto | but i could never fix CD reading issue. |
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| 05:01.22 | nsadmin | exact symptoms? |
| 05:01.24 | bahaa | i see |
| 05:01.42 | bahaa | what media types? |
| 05:01.42 | Mephisto | ok.... here goes... ONLY when a CD was burned using some ISO image system freezes up on insertion and further mounting of such CD. |
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| 05:01.59 | Mephisto | it halts for about 30 seconds and then it's all fine and i can browse the media. |
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| 05:02.29 | bahaa | ony kde and gnome? |
| 05:02.31 | Mephisto | on Gnome i can still read such media after a little while. On KDE it never opens it up at all. On xfce/lxde and other lightweight WMs it's just fine. |
| 05:02.35 | Mephisto | on Windows as well. |
| 05:02.36 | Mephisto | yep. |
| 05:02.39 | Mephisto | only Gnome and KDE. |
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| 05:02.54 | bahaa | TDE? |
| 05:03.17 | Mephisto | there's something INSIDE of these WMs, something redundant that has problems identifying particular segments of file system |
| 05:03.19 | Mephisto | TDE - same thing. |
| 05:03.23 | Mephisto | doesn't matter. |
| 05:03.36 | Mephisto | people kept telling me before that it's either my disks or the drive. I'm saying: NO. |
| 05:03.37 | bahaa | weird |
| 05:03.43 | Mephisto | yeah, it's been always like this,. |
| 05:03.45 | jason404 | http://pastebin.com/4je2eB4d |
| 05:03.50 | Mephisto | only if a CD was burned using an ISO image. |
| 05:03.53 | bahaa | if its ok on lightweight |
| 05:03.58 | Mephisto | exactly. |
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| 05:04.05 | Mephisto | it's ok on xfce/lxde. Checked many times. |
| 05:04.15 | nsadmin | window managers have NOTHING (yes... that's NOTHING) to do with file systems |
| 05:04.17 | Mephisto | the difference is... on Gnome and KDE it does MORE than it's supposed to do. |
| 05:04.33 | Mephisto | listen.. i know what i'm saying, ok? It's either nautilus or something else |
| 05:05.12 | Mephisto | they DO have SOMETHING. And if you insist they don't then tell me what the heck this thing is. |
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| 05:05.22 | bahaa | dump gnome and kde =p |
| 05:05.35 | Mephisto | i'm not using KDE, that was just for info ;0 |
| 05:05.51 | Mephisto | as for gnome.. that's the only thing i like basically nowadays :) |
| 05:06.01 | Mephisto | the rest is not my thing.. |
| 05:06.09 | bahaa | ok |
| 05:06.16 | Mephisto | what are you doing here by the way? :) |
| 05:06.17 | Mephisto | so early.. |
| 05:06.26 | bahaa | tried the burnt on other gnome machine? |
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| 05:06.30 | bahaa | bunt cd* |
| 05:06.41 | Mephisto | nope, never. |
| 05:06.46 | Mephisto | but it'd probably be the same shit. |
| 05:06.48 | Mephisto | but i'll try |
| 05:06.53 | Mephisto | i have Ubuntu installed somewhere. |
| 05:07.11 | Mephisto | EVEN if it goes ok, i still insist there's something that can be turned off. |
| 05:07.14 | bahaa | i'm a night owl =p |
| 05:07.30 | Mephisto | i tried to track it down while freezup to iotop it in terminal |
| 05:07.41 | Mephisto | nothing comes out except for same thing always in dmesg |
| 05:07.55 | Mephisto | and here it is: |
| 05:08.05 | DynV | I'm not so good at the *nix thing so thanks for your guidance. I'm always wary that my internet connection might be lost so I strive for offline downloads. I see there's CD/DVD versions but I'm wondering which contain what so I could see which contain the most important packages for me along with their dependencies and download the least. Is there a list of the media contents? I'm mostly... |
| 05:08.06 | DynV | ...interested in IceCat, Kate, an AMP package, GCC & of course whatever's needed to go on the internet (cable & WIFI) ; optionally Inkscape & GIMP. Thanks! :) |
| 05:08.17 | Mephisto | bahaa, by the way.. i never told you about it cause it's not that big of a deal to me... but still, sometimes it's kinda annoying. |
| 05:08.36 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/2pLQsGnb |
| 05:08.43 | Mephisto | as for the font... i've fixed it completely ;) |
| 05:08.43 | bahaa | i see |
| 05:09.06 | Mephisto | now it's completely the same as on XP... as for the script i'm using.. it does not that much. Only substituting fonts when needed. |
| 05:09.13 | Mephisto | i've edited it |
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| 05:09.19 | Mephisto | turned off antialiasing. |
| 05:09.31 | Mephisto | it's all fine in all browsers |
| 05:09.37 | nsadmin | DynV what reason do you have to suspect your networking of being flaky |
| 05:09.52 | bahaa | how did you make it on bowsers too |
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| 05:10.19 | nsadmin | Bowser was the bass voice in ShaNaNa |
| 05:10.26 | JasonWoof | my mouse cursor gets broken in an interesting way every once and a while. it shows about the top 4 rows of pixels of the (correct) cursor, then repeats that 16 times in a vertical column |
| 05:10.50 | Mephisto | bahaa, like i said, i've edited the sharpfonts script i'm using :) |
| 05:10.51 | simonlnu | !cd contents |
| 05:10.52 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 05:10.53 | JasonWoof | so when it should show the normal arrow, it just shows the very tip of it (a little triangle) but 16 of them |
| 05:10.57 | DynV | nsadmin: it does happen ; and I do spend time in the countryside is 56k and only at night-time. |
| 05:11.00 | simonlnu | DynV: ^^ |
| 05:11.17 | Mephisto | bahaa, i've turned off antialiasing in one of the files.. locals.conf i think. |
| 05:11.18 | JasonWoof | I'm running radeon, xcompmgr... and I think it's triggered initially by geeqie |
| 05:11.28 | bahaa | ah i see |
| 05:11.31 | Mephisto | :) |
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| 05:11.45 | bahaa | can you pastebin the scipt? |
| 05:11.51 | JasonWoof | the mouse cursor changes as it should (to eg the text cursor or the hand/finger for web links) but all cursor icons are distorted in the same way |
| 05:11.55 | nsadmin | DynV, also look into apt-zip |
| 05:12.08 | DynV | simonlnu: 8) and I'd have to look at every package dependencies and their own (dependencies) 1 by 1 |
| 05:12.11 | DynV | ? |
| 05:12.23 | simonlnu | apt-zip like nsadmin suggested |
| 05:12.31 | Mephisto | bahaa, there are 4 or even 5 files man... |
| 05:12.33 | DynV | :) |
| 05:12.44 | simonlnu | !apt-zip |
| 05:12.44 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 05:12.45 | Mephisto | bahaa, i can give you the link to it. |
| 05:13.02 | bahaa | ok |
| 05:13.15 | Mephisto | bahaa, http://www.webupd8.org/2009/09/ubuntu-debian-script-to-install-sharp.html |
| 05:13.56 | bahaa | thats not your modified one |
| 05:14.04 | Mephisto | it is |
| 05:14.04 | DynV | so.. apt-zip looks better, personalized. is there a reason why I should instead use the method I first proposed (the official CDs) ? |
| 05:14.10 | Mephisto | that's the one i'm using. |
| 05:14.39 | Mephisto | or you mean if it's mine?? No, that's unedited one of course. |
| 05:14.51 | Mephisto | but i can tell you how to correct it easily. |
| 05:15.00 | bahaa | ya please |
| 05:15.04 | Mephisto | ok.. wait... |
| 05:15.36 | DynV | and what do I have to install for "base" ? fs, gui, everythign else for internet connection? |
| 05:16.01 | DynV | ^ s/gui/windowing system/ |
| 05:16.16 | Mephisto | bahaa, http://pastebin.com/37jLH3Ga |
| 05:16.24 | Mephisto | this is misc.conf actually, sorry. I forgot. |
| 05:16.45 | Mephisto | and look.. in the beginning there's !-- Antialias any font by default with autohint enabled, hintfull --> |
| 05:16.47 | bahaa | ok |
| 05:17.06 | Mephisto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:17.10 | Mephisto | and it should be "false" |
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| 05:17.21 | bahaa | false i see |
| 05:17.28 | Mephisto | thats what i did, before it was "true"./ |
| 05:17.31 | Mephisto | so there ya go |
| 05:17.38 | bahaa | thx :) |
| 05:17.41 | Mephisto | np |
| 05:18.20 | Mephisto | also, i'd suggest you installing some windows fonts additionally beside of microsoft fonts package in debian |
| 05:18.25 | JasonWoof | oh, also how do I change my mouse-cursor theme? I set it to comix in gnome-2, but gnome-2 is no longer |
| 05:18.32 | Mephisto | like Arial family, tahoma etc |
| 05:18.40 | JasonWoof | I installed gnome-3 last week, but I couldn't find a setting for mouse cursor theme |
| 05:18.47 | Mephisto | that'll make it look better. |
| 05:18.56 | bahaa | ok |
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| 05:19.08 | simonlnu | DynV: first cd is best. or you could get the dvds, if it'll boot off dvd, and install that way |
| 05:19.21 | Mephisto | cause if you have some fonts missing webpages will be displayed using ugly linux fonts that are not meant to be used without antialiasing as such. |
| 05:19.38 | Mephisto | windows fonts are all non-antialiased. |
| 05:19.40 | Mephisto | get it? |
| 05:19.54 | simonlnu | DynV: but, cd #1 + apt-zip is ok if you want to do it less "all at once" |
| 05:20.03 | DynV | simonlnu: so mostly everything "base" is in 1st CD and then I get everything else from apt-zip? |
| 05:20.42 | bahaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.43 | simonlnu | yeh, everything listed on cd #1 is both most common, and install/rescue media. cd #2, etc. |
| 05:20.49 | simonlnu | !popcon |
| 05:20.49 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 05:21.02 | simonlnu | how's the content are determined ^^^ |
| 05:21.06 | simonlnu | contents* |
| 05:21.06 | Mephisto | the thing is.... font stuff works like this, if one font in monospace is missing then another one is used automatically.. i DUNNO how it all works, i've only noticed such tendency. |
| 05:21.27 | simonlnu | yes, that's how it works, for all fonts |
| 05:21.35 | Mephisto | so normally only linux pages will be displayed kinda ugly (cause they're intended to use native linux fonts and anti-aliased by default) so that's ok. |
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| 05:21.46 | simonlnu | with fontconfig anyway |
| 05:21.48 | DynV | oh so CDs are grouped by categories? is there a list of those (categories)? |
| 05:22.16 | simonlnu | DynV: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 05:23.20 | Mephisto | bahaa, you wanna do it for Mint? |
| 05:23.47 | Mephisto | bahaa, don't forget, it works only for Debian-based stuff. So if you wanna try it on something else then you better not) |
| 05:24.03 | DynV | simonlnu: thanks but I don't see categories, ie: A #1, B #2, C #3-4, D #5-7, ... |
| 05:25.43 | bahaa | the script does nothing actually but installing font packages |
| 05:25.54 | Mephisto | it does. |
| 05:25.57 | Mephisto | log out and back in. |
| 05:26.01 | Mephisto | it tells you to. |
| 05:26.07 | Mephisto | and you'll see :) |
| 05:26.35 | bahaa | are you sure we're talking about the same script ? |
| 05:26.41 | Mephisto | of course. |
| 05:27.16 | Mephisto | just do it, and you'll see. |
| 05:27.18 | bahaa | nothing but installing two packages, and some fonts |
| 05:27.27 | Mephisto | did you do chmod stuff? |
| 05:27.31 | Mephisto | both? |
| 05:27.33 | bahaa | i'm not running the script |
| 05:27.40 | bahaa | i'm looking inside it |
| 05:27.46 | Mephisto | haha |
| 05:27.51 | Mephisto | well of course nothing's gonna happen |
| 05:27.56 | simonlnu | DynV: that's arranged differently |
| 05:28.04 | Mephisto | you must not look inside .sh file |
| 05:28.13 | Mephisto | it creates other files when you install it |
| 05:28.24 | bahaa | dude |
| 05:28.25 | Mephisto | in /etc/fonts folder i think |
| 05:28.26 | DynV | ok 8) |
| 05:28.37 | bahaa | what's written inside is code i understand, not magic |
| 05:28.39 | bahaa | ya |
| 05:28.47 | bahaa | it downloads two packages using apt-get |
| 05:28.51 | simonlnu | look in the script all you want. it's good practice in fact, for security (and curiosity) reasons |
| 05:29.05 | bahaa | and downloads fonts using wget and extracts them in /etc/fonts |
| 05:29.17 | simonlnu | into /etc/fonts? |
| 05:29.20 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 05:29.21 | Mephisto | bahaa, it also generates four or five files. |
| 05:29.24 | Mephisto | bahaa, that's what it does. |
| 05:29.35 | simonlnu | they go in /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 05:29.47 | Mephisto | that script puts it elsewhere. |
| 05:30.02 | bahaa | apt-get install -y cabextract ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 05:30.02 | bahaa | wget http://www.osresources.com/files/centos-windows-fonts/fontconfig.tbz |
| 05:30.02 | bahaa | tar xvjpf fontconfig.tbz -C /etc/fonts/ |
| 05:30.02 | bahaa | rm fontconfig.tbz |
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| 05:30.06 | simonlnu | that script is also broken ;) |
| 05:30.15 | Mephisto | it's not. |
| 05:30.19 | Mephisto | it's perfectly working. |
| 05:30.21 | Mephisto | trust me. |
| 05:30.25 | simonlnu | by definition |
| 05:30.25 | Mephisto | i've been using it for ages :) |
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| 05:30.35 | bahaa | these commands are what matters , the rest of the file is useless |
| 05:30.38 | Mephisto | bahaa, now stop right there and tell me one thing. |
| 05:30.53 | simonlnu | oh it's *functional*, but it's broken from a packaging standpoint |
| 05:31.01 | Mephisto | bahaa, go to /etc/fonts and tell me what you see. |
| 05:31.11 | bahaa | i am on mac now |
| 05:31.31 | bahaa | i'll boot up mint-debian in a minute |
| 05:31.39 | Mephisto | you must see there alias.conf, local.conf, misc.conf and msfonts-rules.conf |
| 05:31.42 | simonlnu | mint is not debian |
| 05:31.51 | Mephisto | he's using debian mint |
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| 05:31.55 | Mephisto | not ubuntu. |
| 05:31.59 | simonlnu | still not debian |
| 05:32.15 | Mephisto | same structure. It must be the same, at least for this script. |
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| 05:32.45 | simonlnu | duh. it's called the FHS |
| 05:32.51 | simonlnu | !mint |
| 05:32.51 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 05:32.58 | bahaa | FSH |
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| 05:33.07 | danols | hi all |
| 05:33.10 | danols | I don't have dpkg-checkbuilddeps installed |
| 05:33.13 | Mephisto | bahaa, and no, these commands are nothing if you ask me, you can do it yourself. What matters are those configuration files that it creates. |
| 05:33.14 | danols | which package contains it? |
| 05:33.21 | Mephisto | and that's exactly what you have missing man. |
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| 05:33.26 | simonlnu | !tell danols -about search |
| 05:33.40 | bahaa | simonlnu i am running LMDE |
| 05:34.37 | simonlnu | yes, and it's offtopic |
| 05:34.48 | Mephisto | now.. you see, fontconfig thing creates those rules |
| 05:35.33 | danols | ok none of the search options given to me by the dpkg bot pull up dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 05:35.53 | simonlnu | apt-file search not helping you? |
| 05:36.12 | danols | command not found for apt-file |
| 05:36.13 | danols | ? |
| 05:36.18 | danols | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/dpkg-dev/filelist |
| 05:36.31 | danols | but I am sure there is a better way then google |
| 05:36.51 | danols | @shared-hosting-1:~/freeswitch# apt-file |
| 05:36.52 | danols | -bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 05:37.16 | simonlnu | install it first... |
| 05:37.37 | danols | out of all the options is apt-file the default way to search for a specific file ? |
| 05:38.17 | simonlnu | no, but it works too |
| 05:38.33 | danols | hmm |
| 05:38.41 | danols | can i search with aptitude for a specific file ? |
| 05:38.42 | simonlnu | !search |
| 05:38.42 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags>. |
| 05:38.50 | simonlnu | danols: yes |
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| 05:38.54 | manganese | "dpkg -S $(which dpkg-checkbuilddeps)" says "dpkg-dev" (only works because I have it installed) |
| 05:38.55 | danols | omg ok |
| 05:38.56 | danols | cool |
| 05:39.01 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.59 | simonlnu | !search s,<debtags>,<debtags> <dlocate>, |
| 05:40.09 | simonlnu | !search =~ s,<debtags>,<debtags> <dlocate>, |
| 05:40.09 | dpkg | simonlnu: OK |
| 05:40.16 | simonlnu | might as well ;) |
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| 05:41.29 | danols | ok man aptitude doesn't advise how to search with aptitude search for a specific file in a package ? |
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| 05:42.28 | bahaa | sorry Mephisto , i was away, went to throw up |
| 05:42.34 | Mephisto | WHAT?! |
| 05:42.41 | Mephisto | what's wrong with you?.. |
| 05:42.44 | simonlnu | bahaa: you ok? |
| 05:42.51 | bahaa | i am sick, common cold |
| 05:42.52 | danols | beer? |
| 05:42.55 | Mephisto | hmmm |
| 05:42.57 | simonlnu | danols: aptitude-doc-en (or other language) |
| 05:43.09 | bahaa | much coughing irritates stomach |
| 05:43.13 | Mephisto | well cold is a little reason for that... oh well... bless you |
| 05:43.14 | bahaa | but nothing biggy |
| 05:43.15 | simonlnu | bahaa: i have a flu |
| 05:43.16 | Mephisto | i see. |
| 05:43.28 | simonlnu | getting over it now |
| 05:43.29 | Mephisto | everybody's sick these days... |
| 05:43.33 | danols | simonlnu: it is possible to search for a specific file in a package though yes? |
| 05:43.47 | bahaa | simonlnu comrade :) |
| 05:43.57 | simonlnu | the web access or apt-file are the best ways IMO |
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| 05:44.28 | bahaa | as for the files you mentioned and i don't have, they get created upon installing the two packages of apt-get |
| 05:44.35 | manganese | danols: apt-cache show apt-file |
| 05:44.52 | danols | ? |
| 05:45.09 | danols | k |
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| 05:45.25 | simonlnu | apt-file can have very verbose output, so be sure to narrow it down somewhat. it takes globs (and regex IIRC) |
| 05:45.28 | danols | but can I use aptitude to search fora specific file like 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps' in packages list |
| 05:45.42 | Mephisto | hm. |
| 05:45.45 | danols | i rather stick to aptitude if possible |
| 05:45.54 | manganese | danols: dunno. never used aptitude. The package you want is dpkg-dev |
| 05:45.58 | danols | i've been checking the docs but I seem to not see if it's possible to search for specific file |
| 05:46.10 | simonlnu | actually, i'm not sure, but i don't think so. but i'm no aptitude wiz either |
| 05:46.24 | simonlnu | ok |
| 05:46.51 | jalalsfs | How can I lock a folder with password in debian? |
| 05:47.27 | danols | why is there aptitude and apt-get why two ? |
| 05:47.42 | simonlnu | gpg encrypt it? |
| 05:47.43 | lstarnes | they serve slightly different purposes |
| 05:47.53 | lstarnes | apt-get is simpler and doesn't have the curses interface |
| 05:47.58 | danols | which one is official for debian ? |
| 05:48.02 | lstarnes | both |
| 05:48.04 | simonlnu | like aptitude better ;p |
| 05:48.07 | simonlnu | both are |
| 05:48.09 | danols | both developed by debian team ? |
| 05:48.12 | lstarnes | yes |
| 05:48.13 | simonlnu | yes |
| 05:48.16 | danols | k |
| 05:48.17 | simonlnu | lstarnes: :P |
| 05:48.33 | simonlnu | lstarnes: jinx! |
| 05:48.48 | danols | can one search for a specific file in a package using apt-get ? |
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| 05:48.54 | simonlnu | no |
| 05:49.10 | danols | is apt-get or aptitude going to be phased out ? |
| 05:49.14 | manganese | danols: no, use apt-file (or rapt-file) for that. |
| 05:49.18 | lstarnes | I think apt-file does that |
| 05:49.19 | bahaa | ah sorry Mephisto , not apt-get packages, the wget one |
| 05:49.26 | simonlnu | neither is going to be phased out TMK |
| 05:49.34 | somiaj | danols: in some cases one works slightly better than the other, for example certain ones sometimes work better than others during dist-upgrades. |
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| 05:49.51 | Lando-Uni | Hey |
| 05:50.00 | Mephisto | bahaa, hm... |
| 05:50.00 | simonlnu | apt-get build-dep doesn't miss things too |
| 05:50.02 | Lando-Uni | is 11.04 improved at all? |
| 05:50.08 | Mephisto | bahaa, i really dunno what you're doing there... |
| 05:50.11 | simonlnu | lstarnes: wrong channel |
| 05:50.14 | simonlnu | lstarnes: sorry |
| 05:50.19 | danols | just find it a little odd there is apt-get and aptitude for exactly the same thing, i prefer aptitude from a new user perspective though |
| 05:50.22 | Lando-Uni | lstarnes? Oh, the bane of the internet. |
| 05:50.24 | simonlnu | Lando-Uni: wrong channel |
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| 05:50.46 | jalalsfs | simonlnu, I want an easy way. Because I use just a laptop. |
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| 05:50.54 | Lando-Uni | But Debian is linux, right? |
| 05:51.10 | simonlnu | jalalsfs: what's a laptop got to do with that? |
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| 05:51.19 | manganese | jalalsfs: make the directory owned by you, with mode 0700. Then only you and root can read it. |
| 05:51.32 | simonlnu | Lando-Uni: 11.04 is an ubuntu version. this is #debian. you want #ubuntu |
| 05:51.53 | manganese | simonlnu: but linux is an ubuntu, right? |
| 05:51.58 | manganese | ducks fast and runs |
| 05:52.11 | simonlnu | !slapd manganese |
| 05:52.14 | simonlnu | !slap manganese |
| 05:52.14 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across manganese's face |
| 05:52.16 | somiaj | Langer_: debian usually appends GNU/Linux as the major release, but there are kfreebsd versoins of debian and hurd versions that still have a similar GNU package base. |
| 05:52.36 | simonlnu | damned ldap habits... :P |
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| 05:53.03 | bahaa | Mephisto , done, like i said, only the four commands i pasted what matters |
| 05:53.15 | bahaa | i'm gonna upload the two screenshots |
| 05:53.17 | Mephisto | ok |
| 05:53.18 | bahaa | before/after |
| 05:53.34 | simonlnu | manganese: he wanted a password, so i forgo the chmod |
| 05:53.45 | jalalsfs | manganese, That folder is in external hard-disk. |
| 05:53.48 | simonlnu | forgo? ugh, EGRAMMAR |
| 05:54.01 | manganese | simonlnu: and to read the directory, he'd have to be logged in, which requires a password :-P |
| 05:54.08 | simonlnu | heh |
| 05:54.23 | bahaa | hmm whats a good image upload site? |
| 05:54.28 | bahaa | other than imageshack.us |
| 05:54.41 | bahaa | tinypic is banned here |
| 05:54.46 | simonlnu | imgur.com |
| 05:54.53 | simonlnu | it is? |
| 05:55.17 | simonlnu | bahaa: is that network policy? |
| 05:55.25 | bahaa | isp policy ya |
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| 05:55.40 | simonlnu | oh, isp, not network (i meant this irc network) |
| 05:55.50 | simonlnu | weird |
| 05:56.01 | bahaa | ah no |
| 05:57.19 | bahaa | Mephisto |
| 05:57.27 | bahaa | before : http://i.imgur.com/bUeI3.png |
| 05:57.28 | Mephisto | ok |
| 05:57.38 | bahaa | after : http://i.imgur.com/K8xiB.png |
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| 05:58.05 | Mephisto | hm |
| 05:58.08 | Mephisto | no difference man |
| 05:58.09 | manganese | jalalsfs: Ah, so you really want encryption, not password. |
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| 05:58.19 | Mephisto | i mean.. there is maybe, but not the supposed one. |
| 05:58.27 | manganese | jalalsfs: you may find http://www.debianadmin.com/filesystem-encryption-tools-for-linux.html helpful |
| 05:58.32 | bahaa | no difference ? |
| 05:58.47 | bahaa | dude maximize the photo |
| 05:58.53 | bahaa | to it's extent |
| 05:58.54 | Mephisto | nahhh |
| 05:58.54 | Mephisto | hahaha |
| 05:58.56 | Mephisto | right |
| 05:58.57 | Mephisto | i did |
| 05:59.00 | bahaa | it is 1280 x 800 |
| 05:59.01 | Mephisto | yes. NOw you have sharpfonts |
| 05:59.04 | Mephisto | i understoofd |
| 05:59.04 | jalalsfs | manganese, Thank you a lot. |
| 05:59.13 | dragonfly | i'm not really paying much attention to the conversation here, but if you're looking for encryption, I have found Truecrypt to be pretty interesting |
| 05:59.21 | Mephisto | it just looks so similar to antialiased thing so i didn't even maximize it |
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| 05:59.26 | Mephisto | yep. Do you like it now? |
| 05:59.34 | bahaa | haha |
| 05:59.36 | bahaa | ya |
| 05:59.38 | bahaa | better now |
| 05:59.39 | Mephisto | no go to firefox |
| 05:59.45 | Mephisto | and tell me how is it. |
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| 05:59.50 | Mephisto | or iceweasel |
| 05:59.55 | Mephisto | whatever you got there... |
| 06:00.07 | Mephisto | did you change the line in the script by the way?.. |
| 06:00.09 | bahaa | ya |
| 06:00.21 | bahaa | it's sharp on firefox |
| 06:00.26 | bahaa | and chrome |
| 06:00.39 | Mephisto | yes, but sometimes there's bolded Arial thing which is blurry. |
| 06:00.40 | bahaa | terminal too |
| 06:00.42 | Mephisto | go to gmail |
| 06:00.52 | Mephisto | you got account there? |
| 06:01.03 | bahaa | ya |
| 06:01.30 | Mephisto | ok, log in and make a screen... and no, i don't wanna see what's inside your mailbox :) |
| 06:01.40 | Mephisto | it's just that there's arial and it's usually blurry. |
| 06:01.44 | Mephisto | arial bold. |
| 06:02.23 | Mephisto | also, choose Verdana font for all parts of your system. Well, you can leave Tahoma for desktop, just for little difference. That's my layout. |
| 06:02.27 | Mephisto | you may like it more. |
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| 06:02.58 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 06:03.46 | bahaa | http://i.imgur.com/nnYbo.png |
| 06:04.03 | Mephisto | hmm |
| 06:04.05 | Mephisto | looks fine |
| 06:04.11 | Mephisto | and you didn't change the line in misc.conf??? |
| 06:04.33 | bahaa | i did |
| 06:04.36 | Mephisto | aha, ok. |
| 06:04.38 | Mephisto | then it's fine. |
| 06:04.43 | Mephisto | well.. enjoy now :) |
| 06:04.50 | bahaa | thanks :) |
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| 06:04.56 | Mephisto | np |
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| 06:05.16 | bahaa | i might just want to disable anti-aliasing |
| 06:05.28 | bahaa | i'll try just disabling it on pcbsd |
| 06:05.32 | bahaa | without installing ms-fonts |
| 06:05.55 | Mephisto | do it, but trust me, most of the fonts on different pages will look ugly. |
| 06:06.16 | bahaa | will see |
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| 06:06.52 | Mephisto | actually, you can really just install ms fonts and disable antialiasing without a script and it'll be ok, but.. the script does something else too. Substitution... sometimes it picks better fonts than the offered ones. |
| 06:06.56 | gnarface | might run faster |
| 06:06.57 | Mephisto | that's why i prefer to keep it. |
| 06:07.24 | bahaa | Mephisto turst me |
| 06:07.31 | bahaa | trust* |
| 06:07.41 | Mephisto | :) |
| 06:07.42 | bahaa | the script does NOTHING but those four commands |
| 06:08.13 | Mephisto | ok, you got me. I'm gonna go and take a look inside of the script and i'll tell you. |
| 06:08.39 | bahaa | installing cabextract ( extrator of ms cabinet exe files), and ms-corefonts-installer (bunch of exe font cabinet files) |
| 06:08.41 | simonlnu | blinks |
| 06:09.10 | bahaa | and then adds pc bsd font configuration files in /etc/fonts |
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| 06:09.28 | Mephisto | listen, i installed ms fonts without a script many times. NO. It didn't do anything. |
| 06:09.38 | Mephisto | so i know what i'm talking about |
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| 06:10.06 | bahaa | i applied those four commands only |
| 06:10.17 | bahaa | did not need to run the entire script |
| 06:10.25 | bahaa | and it worked, as you saw |
| 06:10.26 | Mephisto | well yes, you're right, it downloads stuff. |
| 06:10.35 | Mephisto | i never bothered to look inside of it. |
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| 06:10.39 | Mephisto | so what? |
| 06:10.50 | Mephisto | it's still an operation |
| 06:11.01 | Mephisto | it downloads those things and puts them in /etc/fonts |
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| 06:11.38 | Mephisto | what does it matter even? |
| 06:11.50 | Mephisto | if it's the script that does something or it just downloads shit? |
| 06:12.03 | bahaa | haha |
| 06:12.11 | Mephisto | it downloads rules, well previously i thought that it generates it somehow etc |
| 06:12.16 | Mephisto | but still... same shit |
| 06:12.41 | bahaa | Mephisto if i ran that script on pc bsd, it won't work |
| 06:12.48 | bahaa | because in first 3 lines |
| 06:12.51 | bahaa | it checks system |
| 06:12.58 | bahaa | if it's not debian or ubuntu |
| 06:13.03 | bahaa | will halt |
| 06:13.05 | bahaa | but now |
| 06:13.08 | Mephisto | of course! But where do you think you gonna put those rules in, huh? |
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| 06:13.12 | bahaa | i know what packages it installs |
| 06:13.16 | Mephisto | do you KNOW where to put them on BSD? |
| 06:13.52 | Mephisto | and are you sure that those rules will work the same way on BSD? |
| 06:14.06 | bahaa | look at misc.conf file's 5th line |
| 06:14.10 | Mephisto | that they are actually compatible? Why do you think they made it only for Debian/Ubuntu |
| 06:14.27 | bahaa | says : <!-- PC-BSD - Fonts configurations v.12012006--> |
| 06:14.51 | Mephisto | i saw it |
| 06:14.56 | Mephisto | but tells me nothing yet. |
| 06:15.02 | Mephisto | you try it first and then we'll see. |
| 06:15.28 | Mephisto | maybe it's only misc.conf. maybe it's the only thing that will actually work :) |
| 06:15.36 | Mephisto | who knows! |
| 06:15.43 | Mephisto | anyway... do whatever you will... |
| 06:15.51 | Mephisto | it's good to experiment |
| 06:16.14 | Mephisto | i just don't understand why to make it for Debian/Ubuntu only if it's so easy ;) |
| 06:17.10 | manganese | Mephisto: Probably because the script uses apt-get. For redhat/fedora/centos, they'd use yum, for gento emerge and for BSD, the ports system |
| 06:17.20 | Mephisto | ah.... |
| 06:17.23 | Mephisto | yeah... right... |
| 06:17.37 | Mephisto | well... you got me there. I have nothing left to say. |
| 06:17.43 | Mephisto | do as thou wilt.. |
| 06:17.50 | Mephisto | and that shall be the whole of the law.. |
| 06:18.25 | bahaa | lool |
| 06:18.38 | bahaa | there is a panel for that |
| 06:18.50 | Mephisto | bowed and went to smoke |
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| 06:25.06 | bahaa | Mephisto http://i.imgur.com/IuhZa.png |
| 06:25.45 | Mephisto | i know that. |
| 06:26.01 | Mephisto | but i've told you before, that just disabling antialiasing doesn't do ALL. |
| 06:26.14 | bahaa | look to the right |
| 06:26.14 | Mephisto | of course you can just disable it and do the rest yourself. |
| 06:26.21 | bahaa | :) |
| 06:26.44 | Mephisto | so? I can install that package too and myself :) |
| 06:27.03 | Mephisto | i never said that installing microsoft fonts is a big mystery :) |
| 06:27.07 | bahaa | microsoft fonts on appcafe |
| 06:27.10 | danols | ok anyone here running freeswtich on debian system |
| 06:27.15 | danols | i've been at this for over 4 hours |
| 06:27.16 | Mephisto | i installed them long BEFORE i found that script |
| 06:27.28 | Mephisto | yeah, microsoft fonts can be found on any distro |
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| 06:27.43 | Mephisto | as for appcafe - it surprised me a way more with presence of skype and wine in it |
| 06:27.49 | Mephisto | now THAT was a thrill |
| 06:27.50 | bahaa | choose them and disable smoothing |
| 06:28.02 | Mephisto | done it many times :) |
| 06:28.11 | Mephisto | still not quite what i wanted. |
| 06:28.19 | bahaa | hmm ok |
| 06:29.31 | Mephisto | but you may do it your way. Delete the rules from /etc/fonts on Mint, then install more fonts beside of those provided by the MS-fonts collection |
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| 06:29.38 | Mephisto | and see what you get |
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| 06:30.28 | bahaa | i'm searching for misc.conf on bsd |
| 06:31.24 | Mephisto | brb |
| 06:31.27 | bahaa | k |
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| 06:33.13 | simonlnu | last warning: mint is offtopic in this channel |
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| 06:35.14 | bahaa | lol |
| 06:35.27 | bahaa | actually we were talking bout bsd |
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| 06:37.44 | simonlnu | that's also offtopic |
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| 07:04.52 | valdyn | takahiro: Xsession.d is a directory where you can create a new file without modifying a config file thats shipped by debian |
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| 07:12.11 | jnewt | keep in mind this works fine on all windows clients, without a password |
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| 07:23.05 | archetech | how can I change a partitions size and reclaim some space |
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| 07:41.17 | takahiro | why does it say that my sound card is Nvidia? |
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| 07:42.05 | skilz | takahiro, Because if it |
| 07:42.20 | skilz | Because if its a hdmi video card its sound also |
| 07:42.57 | takahiro | oooh |
| 07:43.15 | takahiro | sound working now :) |
| 07:43.24 | takahiro | i just typed: alsa reload |
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| 07:45.56 | Mephisto | ok, question.. |
| 07:46.13 | Mephisto | why do i have qt apps antialiased? |
| 07:46.16 | Mephisto | font i mean |
| 07:46.25 | Mephisto | even if i turn it off in gnome |
| 07:46.30 | Mephisto | it wasn't like that before |
| 07:47.02 | Mephisto | skype, goldendict, qt4config stuff - all has antialiased font |
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| 07:47.07 | Mephisto | where to look for these settings? |
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| 07:49.20 | jnewt | trying to mount a remote filesystem (zfs), shared via samba. fstab i have: //NAS2/zfile /media/zfile smbfs rw 0 0 and it doesn't mount, permission error. it mounts from windows clients without a username and password. |
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| 08:07.03 | docgnome_ | and where are the files to add "sessions" to the dropdown meny? |
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| 08:10.23 | bergers89 | whereis gdmsetup |
| 08:10.59 | docgnome_ | i don't think it does exist |
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| 08:20.18 | ChrisH | Bartzy, fusermount -u /tmp/a? umounting user fuse FS ? <-- correct |
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| 08:21.31 | yareckon | morning folks, hope I have a simple question |
| 08:22.12 | yareckon | in a kern.log Call Trace entry is it in chronilogical order or reverse chronological order? |
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| 08:22.40 | yareckon | in other words, if it were in reverse order, it would be a "backtrace" right? |
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| 08:23.52 | yareckon | do the timestamps to the left indicate what time the events occured, or when they were written to log? |
| 08:23.56 | yareckon | example data: |
| 08:23.59 | yareckon | Jan 9 06:32:07 myhost kernel: [6739940.783246] [<ffffffff80294693>] path_walk+0x46/0x8b |
| 08:24.00 | yareckon | Jan 9 06:32:07 myhost kernel: [6739940.783251] [<ffffffff802949bf>] do_path_lookup+0x158/0x1ce |
| 08:24.05 | yareckon | which comes first |
| 08:24.38 | ChrisH | Jan 9 06:32:07 gets added by syslog. I assume the 6739940.783246 is from kernel himself |
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| 08:25.34 | yareckon | looks like it is a forward log then I assume since the kernel stamps are incrementing |
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| 08:28.17 | ChrisH | yareckon log is forward time, but the kernel stuff must be a stacktrace. I just checked on one of my boxes and there I see the same incremental timestamps but the call-order is a backtrace |
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| 08:37.27 | yareckon | Thanks ChrisH |
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| 08:41.20 | java__ | When I installed debian, I had an old harddrive (sdb) in the machine as well. Grub was kind enough to list the OS on this disk as a boot option. I've cleared this disk now, and would like to clean up grub. Do I manually clean it, or will i.e grub-update take care of it ? |
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| 08:44.31 | snake | java__: grub-update will take care of it, |
| 08:44.45 | snake | if you have totally formated that sdb harddrive of your's |
| 08:44.53 | snake | grub-update and grub2-update |
| 08:45.05 | java__ | Yeah. I just gave it a shot and it worked ;) |
| 08:45.07 | java__ | Cheers mate |
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| 08:56.35 | snake | java__: cheers |
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| 09:05.41 | karsten | Gary: you're moving up in the world. Or at least the collate sequence. |
| 09:06.42 | Gary | am I? |
| 09:07.15 | karsten | Well, EBCDIC, at least. Not in ASCII. |
| 09:07.53 | karsten | curses l'il box designs for ruining a perfectly good joke. |
| 09:08.05 | lasers` | I'd like to add testing repo to install chromium-browser. Is this ideal? :) |
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| 09:09.25 | snake | lasers`: http://packages.debian.org/sv/squeeze/chromium-browser |
| 09:09.32 | snake | =) |
| 09:10.32 | lasers` | snake: It's at version 6.0 . Testing is at version 16.0 -- Google-Chrome.deb causes too many crash lately since the new updates. |
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| 09:10.50 | lasers` | =) |
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| 09:28.41 | karsten | lasers`: IIRC there's a Google repos that you can use to install recent Chromium builds on Debian as well. |
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| 09:29.18 | karsten | laslaserdeb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free main |
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| 09:29.31 | karsten | Gah. Lag. |
| 09:29.37 | karsten | lasers`: ^^ |
| 09:30.05 | lasers` | karsten: That's for Google Chrome. It's my default browser at the moment but it's really jerking around since the last update. |
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| 09:31.47 | karsten | OK. |
| 09:32.37 | lasers` | karsten: I'm trying to figure how to add testing repo, but make it non-default (apt-pinning). So I'd just use chromium-brwoser from testing repo. |
| 09:32.50 | lasers` | While everything else is on stable. |
| 09:32.52 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.37 | karsten | lasers`: Pinning is a bit funky. If you're comfortable with Debian packaging, I'd say just go testing. It's less stable than stable as far as packages go (they change) but the user experience is pretty good. |
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| 09:34.00 | karsten | My $0.02. And I'd talk more but it's past my bedtime. |
| 09:34.01 | lasers` | I have been on testing. I went back. :) |
| 09:34.09 | lasers` | Okay. Goodnight, karsten. |
| 09:34.12 | karsten | Heh. |
| 09:34.31 | karsten | Cheers |
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| 09:56.14 | comm22kHz | is linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem (3.2+42~bpo60+1) from backports really kernel 3.x? is anyone using it in squeeze? |
| 09:56.34 | simonlnu | yes. probably. |
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| 10:01.56 | themill | comm22kHz: that's not actually a kernel package though, that's just a transitional dummy package to make it easier to upgrade. |
| 10:02.10 | Tuxist | hi |
| 10:02.35 | Tuxist | where can i get documentation about about dak and buildd ? |
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| 10:03.03 | simonlnu | buildd.debian.org for starters |
| 10:03.38 | comm22kHz | so is there an actual 3.x kernel in backports? |
| 10:04.04 | themill | comm22kHz: yes; /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
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| 10:10.29 | Tuxist | and about dak ? |
| 10:11.16 | simonlnu | !dak |
| 10:11.16 | dpkg | dak (debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the Debian archives. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing (and from incoming to unstable) at {1,7,13,19}:52 UTC each day. |
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| 10:13.46 | woshty | i need some documentation on LC_TIME LC_ALL and similar - where and how to set? |
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| 10:44.27 | g105b | Is it possible to remove the passphrases from a public key without having to redistribute the key to where it's used? |
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| 10:49.40 | gnarface | so why does udisks-daemon breaks/freezes/locks up /dev/sdb (requiring as far as i can tell a full reboot to unfreeze it) when i mount a usb drive? |
| 10:49.49 | gnarface | er, scratch that, when i PLUG IT IN |
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| 10:50.15 | gnarface | hmm. or it might have been when i unplugged it from the last time |
| 10:51.18 | raj | how do I get the version of the nginx package currently in debian's repo? |
| 10:51.26 | sgn | I'm trying to get a dual 3TB RAID0 array up and running. It's an intel fakeraid, and parted can only find 1.6 of the terabytes. Some weird 4k-sector issue? |
| 10:51.30 | raj | version number |
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| 10:52.08 | themill | raj: apt-cache policy nginx. |
| 10:52.30 | themill | raj: if you've a particular need for a newer version than the version in the stable release, you can look at backports.debian.org |
| 10:52.36 | krion | raj: or packages.debian.org |
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| 11:00.04 | sgn | Can debian create and be installed to an mdadm software raid AT setup? |
| 11:00.34 | _KaszpiR_ | anyone remerber what package contains FreeSans.ttf ? |
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| 11:02.45 | _KaszpiR_ | nvm, found it |
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| 11:04.38 | ikonia | sgn: yes, |
| 11:04.40 | ikonia | sgn: I told you the installer would do it |
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| 11:06.07 | raj | can someone tell me how to put http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze-backports/nginx in my sources so I download this version of nginx? |
| 11:06.21 | themill | dpkg: tell raj about bdo |
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| 11:09.29 | raj | themill, do I add this line--> deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main if I want to use all available backports, or even for a single backport? |
| 11:10.02 | themill | yes |
| 11:10.27 | raj | there was an 'or' in there :) |
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| 11:12.13 | themill | raj: you'll not be using a "single backport"; you want apt to do the dependency work for you rather than doing it by hand; you presumably want to have security updates available to you. |
| 11:13.19 | raj | right |
| 11:13.32 | raj | k, thanks |
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| 11:17.44 | raj | themill, so where have I told it to update security issues? |
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| 11:21.08 | dannN | Hi, i'm looking for a debian software, with which i can make an backup of my whole linux server. Should the server crash, i want to reinstall this backup and the server should work again |
| 11:21.23 | dannN | is therefore rsnapshot an good idea? |
| 11:22.15 | themill | dannN: that's pretty much precisely what I use rsnapshot for (although I don't bother with /usr in the backups). |
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| 11:23.07 | themill | raj: the repository configuration tells apt to adopt pinning that, in the absence of any manual pinning, will automatically bring in updates to the packages you install from backports. |
| 11:23.53 | themill | raj: you would also subscribe to the backports users and backports security updates lists if this were important to you. |
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| 11:24.23 | raj | as in a mailing list? |
| 11:24.24 | dannN | themill: thank you |
| 11:24.37 | themill | raj: yes. Instructions are on the backports website |
| 11:24.53 | raj | gotcha |
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| 11:25.05 | raj | also, how do I check what my system time currently is? |
| 11:25.22 | comm22kHz | date |
| 11:25.30 | dannN | and is it better to mount an folder to an remote ftp and backup my /var/www folder as tar.gz directly into the mountet folder, or should i create the backup on the locale hdd and copy the files to the remote? |
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| 11:25.48 | Coudy | hello, I'm on debian testing, yesterday I did system upgrade, and now I can't use gnome-shell acceleration, I'm in safe mode. I have Ati RV730 with Gallium 0.4 driver, rendering is working : |
| 11:25.48 | Coudy | direct rendering: Yes |
| 11:25.48 | Coudy | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV730 |
| 11:26.11 | Coudy | I can't disable safe mode and run in native mode |
| 11:26.14 | raj | if using Debian as a server, is it important to switch to UTC? or can I leave it with Eastern Standard Time? |
| 11:26.18 | raj | as it currently is |
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| 11:26.54 | raj | or does this depend on how many redundant servers I have in different locations |
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| 11:33.07 | raj | themill, so in conclusion, I don't have to worry about the rss updates of nginx, cuz the way I installed it using backports, it'll auto-update for security updates? |
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| 11:35.35 | themill | rss updates from where? In general the backports and security teams are proactive in keeping up with security advisories for you, but if this is an internet facing service, you may wish to keep an eye on these things yourself too |
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| 11:38.28 | raj | themill, so I will still need to issue additional commands to receive the security updates from time to time |
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| 11:38.35 | raj | it's not some automatic updating |
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| 11:41.58 | themill | raj: you will need to "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" for apt to find out about and then install updated packages. You might be interested in cron-apt that will do this for you daily and then email you if there are packages to install (optionally downloading them so that the installation takes less of your time later). /msg dpkg cron-apt |
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| 11:44.01 | patrik83 | Hi, I have created RAID1 from two previously separatly used hdd's with capacity of 2TB each. I used fdisk to delete old partitions, created new ones and changed ID of partition to fd for raid. Now when RAID1 is created and filesystem over the RAID either, it says resyncing 2700 minutes using cat /proc/mdstat. Is it ok ? There are no data at the moment, so what is it doing exactly or even better said why is it doing ? Thank you very much. |
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| 11:50.08 | patrik83 | It is Icy box in JBOD mode connected over usb 2.0 interface to laptop. If in JBOD mode I put there one disk and create a partition over the disk, it creates a device in /dev and then I do the same with second disk and this way I get two devices in /dev which can be used to create RAID array. |
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| 11:51.11 | raj | themill, that is very clever |
| 11:51.13 | raj | thank you! |
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| 11:51.56 | raj | dpkg: tell raj about cron-apt |
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| 11:54.36 | ianliu | Is it possible to check what key was used to sign a debian package? |
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| 11:57.20 | themill | ianliu: individual debian packages aren't signed like that. What are you really trying to do? |
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| 11:58.28 | ianliu | themill: I've created a local repository with mini-dinstall and signed the *changes files with debsign. Now I added the local repo in my other machine, but it says it is untrusted, although I added my key with apt-key add |
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| 12:00.09 | themill | Your repo checks your keys on accepting the .changes files into the repo and then signs the release file with the repo's own key (this may or may not be same key as the one you used to sign the changes file -- that's up to you). So the thing to check is whether your repo has actually signed the Releases file or not. |
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| 12:01.25 | ianliu | themill: the releases files are the *dsc files? |
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| 12:03.04 | themill | no, dsc is the source package description. The Release file is for the entire repo. Release (and Release.gpg) |
| 12:04.18 | themill | The Release file is signed and points to a set of Packages (and Sources etc) files for each component (main, contrib etc) in the repository; the Packages files then talk about the .debs you have. I would imagine that your Release file is unsigned at present (no Release.gpg) |
| 12:04.23 | themill | !secure apt |
| 12:04.24 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
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| 12:05.05 | themill | (the wiki page has more details) |
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| 12:15.35 | comm22kHz | is it possible to have alsa v1.0.25 in squeeze - are there any packages available? |
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| 12:18.03 | themill | comm22kHz: no packages at all. If the source package hasn't changed too much, uupdate might work. /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 12:20.47 | comm22kHz | cant get VT1705 via audio codec to work, even after installing kernel 3.2 (which supposedly adds support for it) |
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| 12:32.21 | ksuhku | comm22kHz, is the module included? |
| 12:32.42 | ksuhku | try grepping /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 12:37.43 | comm22kHz | ok I'll see.. interestingly even 2.6.x recognizes it as vt1708S and I can turn the volume up and down (without effect) |
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| 12:50.18 | thewanderer1 | how does one type a Unicode character by its code under X, again? |
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| 12:51.40 | sgn | Is there a template LSB iptables script? |
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| 12:52.24 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i was not aware there was a universal way under X, like there is under windows. i was under the impression that the ctrl sequences are unique to every program/library (though most follow some subset of the vi or emacs line handling conventions) |
| 12:54.08 | thewanderer1 | huh ok... KDE way? |
| 12:54.31 | raj | where do debian packages install if not in /opt/? |
| 12:54.58 | thewanderer1 | raj, dpkg -L packagename ; will list all files with their full paths from a given package |
| 12:55.01 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i got nothing, sorry. the limit of my KDE experience is showing it to friends who insist linux is too different from windows, and ugly |
| 12:55.04 | nkuttler | raj: / |
| 12:55.22 | gnarface | usually /usr |
| 12:55.41 | comm22kHz | @ ksuhku grep for what? |
| 12:55.43 | raj | thank you |
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| 12:56.10 | raj | /usr is correct and the command was very useful too |
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| 12:57.24 | ksuhku | comm22kHz, now that's a good question, maybe the name or family of the card |
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| 12:57.56 | ksuhku | try using a search engine to find out the CONFIG_ name |
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| 12:58.28 | ksuhku | i.e. your card name/type and kernel config or something |
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| 12:58.56 | raj | hwat's kept in /etc/? |
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| 13:00.42 | ksuhku | raj, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_directory_structure |
| 13:01.25 | raj | thank you ksuhku |
| 13:01.29 | ksuhku | np |
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| 13:02.45 | thewanderer1 | actually, a good reference is `man hier` :P |
| 13:05.39 | sgn | Noone knows of a proper sample LSB firewall script? I've got my own rules, but I need the proper headres and syntax |
| 13:06.39 | thewanderer1 | sgn, /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
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| 13:07.45 | comm22kHz | well problem solved by disabling hdmi audio in bios - thanks anyway :-( |
| 13:07.52 | comm22kHz | err.. :-) I mean |
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| 13:11.01 | sgn | thewanderer1: Thats for daemons, iptables wont have a config or pidfile... |
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| 13:12.52 | thewanderer1 | sgn, so rip it out, it's not that hard. the script I use: http://paste.debian.net/154466/ (easy to figure out... /etc/firewall/N_x or stop) |
| 13:13.25 | thewanderer1 | obviously status is defunct, but it works for me :P |
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| 13:17.12 | RLa | hey, can i use netinst disk as rescue utility disk? |
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| 13:17.40 | RLa | i need to mount ide hard disk, usb hard disk and copy data |
| 13:17.51 | thewanderer1 | yes you can |
| 13:17.56 | RLa | very good |
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| 13:22.23 | somiaj | RLa: for the most part it has limited tools and an actual live system is sometimes better. The rescue utility is more designed to chroot into your system if you wanted a full set of recovery tools. But for a simple copy that is there. (: |
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| 13:23.59 | RLa | last time i did such recovery with slackware install disk |
| 13:25.07 | somiaj | yea the debian install disk has a limited set of tools (mostly things which will be needed during an install). I was just more pointing out you may not have more sophisicated tools such as rsync, etc. |
| 13:25.23 | somiaj | though I'm not sure exctaly what tools are there. |
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| 13:39.18 | alex- | Anyone can help me with installing this?: http://ajenti.org/ |
| 13:39.24 | alex- | I did the key installation |
| 13:39.26 | alex- | But how to install the software itself? |
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| 13:42.23 | alex- | nvm |
| 13:42.25 | alex- | had to do apt-get update |
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| 13:47.49 | sephii | I remember using some time ago a program to buffer the output of a command so that I can redirect it to the same file that's processed without messing it up but I can't find it anymore... any idea? |
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| 13:48.35 | engla | sephii: sponge from moreutils I think |
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| 13:50.01 | shaullx | does debian has a built in firewall or do i need to install something like shorewall? |
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| 13:50.33 | petemc | shaullx: you need to configure iptables or install shorewall, like you said |
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| 13:50.54 | sephii | engla: yes, thanks! |
| 13:51.03 | shaullx | petemc, for someone who isn't an expert on linux, shorewall would be the better option for me? |
| 13:51.07 | Primus | hmm why do I keep ending up here when I try to join #debian-devel? :P |
| 13:51.18 | petemc | shaullx: why do you need a firewall? |
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| 13:51.33 | engla | Primus: maybe you should look on oftc |
| 13:51.34 | shaullx | protect my server from DoS attacks |
| 13:52.10 | Primus | perhaps |
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| 13:52.43 | petemc | shaullx: you probably dont need it, just run the services you need and keep them up to date |
| 13:53.09 | shaullx | don't i need to set up filters to ignore big packets? |
| 13:53.18 | petemc | not im my experience |
| 13:53.37 | Primus | it doesnt help much to ignore them, they still reach your computer, and saturate your connection |
| 13:53.54 | shaullx | so what's the point of setting up a firewall/iptables? |
| 13:54.18 | petemc | i use it to forward ports and limit outgoing connectiosn |
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| 13:54.46 | Primus | you can selectively block access to ports, share your connection with other computers on your lan via NAT,e tc |
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| 13:55.28 | petemc | why run a service on a port and then use iptables to block it? just dont run the service, or choose which interfaces it listens on |
| 13:55.48 | Primus | maybe you want to run a service and only allow certain networks to connect to it? |
| 13:55.52 | petemc | maybe |
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| 13:56.32 | shaullx | The port i have open are a gameserver emulator running, apache2, and webmin |
| 13:56.37 | petemc | blithely installing a firewall and thinking it will protect is often less than useful |
| 13:56.40 | shaullx | don't i need a firewall to filter DoS packets? |
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| 13:57.13 | shaullx | oh and VNC server |
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| 13:58.23 | petemc | you will probably want to limit access to vnc port |
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| 13:59.02 | shaullx | i thought about limiting it to certain IPs, but my IP is dynamic so that's a problem |
| 13:59.36 | petemc | you can specify a range, or you can script something that updates the rules with your home ip address |
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| 14:00.03 | shaullx | should i do the same for webmin? |
| 14:00.15 | petemc | lots of people would recommend against running webmin |
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| 14:00.26 | petemc | but certainly if you do, make sure to secure it well, so yes |
| 14:00.33 | shaullx | for what reason if i may ask |
| 14:00.46 | petemc | !webmin |
| 14:00.47 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 14:01.34 | themill | shaullx: we had a guy here just the other day who had completely stuffed his system with webmin. It had screwed up ssh and then screwed itself up. Last I heard he was finding his credit card details to request a pair of hands to do a reinstall. |
| 14:01.37 | shaullx | any alternative you suggest? |
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| 14:06.49 | ksk | shaullx: why do you need this? if your not that "into" linux/whatever it might be easier to just get some vps somewhere (plesk etc - sucks too, but..) |
| 14:07.49 | shaullx | what does it have to do with anything? i'm running a dedicated server, i use webmin because it makes things easier for me to manage, i'm not an expert as i said |
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| 14:10.45 | thewanderer1 | hint hint: OpenSUSE has a built-in, supported control panel called YaST that doesn't require learning... |
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| 14:18.04 | lukicat | simple question |
| 14:18.15 | lukicat | wanna copy a file and see how long it takes |
| 14:18.21 | lukicat | and maybe also the speed |
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| 14:18.57 | tremon | http://shellscripts.org/project/ddprogress |
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| 14:19.23 | manganese | time cp foo bar |
| 14:19.24 | manganese | no? |
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| 14:20.29 | cupantae | hey, i'm trying to run a 32bit bin in 64bit squeeze. getting this error: |
| 14:20.31 | cupantae | ./pSX: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkglext-x11-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:20.38 | lasers` | rsync? no? |
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| 14:20.44 | lukicat | manganese time cp is great |
| 14:20.47 | lukicat | ty |
| 14:20.57 | lukicat | what you mean with foo bar? |
| 14:21.16 | cupantae | now, i have that installed (64bit version) in /usr/lib/. how do i know what arch and where it's looking? |
| 14:21.23 | lasers` | lukicat: time cp file_foo file_bar |
| 14:21.25 | himuraken | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar |
| 14:21.35 | manganese | lukicat: when you cp, you copy from one file to another. foo and bar are those files |
| 14:21.44 | lukicat | yeah |
| 14:21.45 | lukicat | okay ^^ |
| 14:21.50 | lukicat | i called it yource and target :P |
| 14:21.52 | lukicat | s |
| 14:22.00 | themill | cupantae: if it's compiled for i386 then the system library in /usr/lib for amd64 isn't going to help |
| 14:22.18 | manganese | cupantae: you probably don't have the corresponding ia32 lib installed |
| 14:23.10 | lukicat | working, but maybe there is any better way to test the cifs speed? u have an idea? |
| 14:23.15 | lasers` | Gnome have its stuffs that'll recognize and mount your hard drive according to their UUID (ie /media/$UUID/) -- Is there any command-line equilivant? |
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| 14:23.23 | cupantae | but how do i go about that? do i force install a 32bit package? |
| 14:23.32 | manganese | cupantae: No! |
| 14:23.44 | tremon | cupantae: a more generic answer to your question is ldd |
| 14:23.53 | manganese | cupantae: There are ia32 builds of x86_64. |
| 14:24.17 | manganese | er, make that ia32 packages for x86_64 |
| 14:24.20 | lasers` | cupantae: What are you trying to install? |
| 14:24.44 | cupantae | lasers`: it's a closed-source psx emulator called pSX |
| 14:25.07 | cupantae | notoriously poor support for linux, might not work even if i do all i can |
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| 14:26.33 | cupantae | ok, part of the problem: i have the squeeze version of ia32-libs installed, but the program depends on pretty old packages |
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| 14:26.57 | manganese | Although I don't see an ia32 libgtkglext (although I also haven't looked very hard) |
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| 14:27.45 | tremon | cupantae: if you're feeling adventurous, you might try the multi-arch enabled dpkg from http://people.debian.org/~kibi/dpkg/ -- but no guarantees that it won't try to eat your kittens |
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| 14:28.02 | themill | I wouldn't recommend doing that on stable |
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| 14:28.12 | sgn | crap. i forgot how i make apache default to index.php. anyone? |
| 14:28.19 | tremon | cupantae: (and don't do that if you're on stable) |
| 14:28.38 | cupantae | tremon: i think, after testing fucked up everything a couple of months ago, i'm not doing anything to threaten the base of the system |
| 14:28.50 | ksuhku | so run an emulator to... run the emulator! |
| 14:28.57 | manganese | lasers`: does autofs not do what you want? |
| 14:29.07 | lasers` | manganese: I'll look at that now. |
| 14:29.22 | cupantae | ksuhku: crashes on wine, but i might retry that if all else fails |
| 14:29.29 | ksuhku | :) |
| 14:29.32 | themill | cupantae: you could try running it inside an i386 chroot on your machine. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 14:30.37 | manganese | sgn: DirectoryIndex index.php # Sounds like what you men |
| 14:31.07 | cupantae | themill: i was looking into that. would multistrap be better for debian-in-debian? |
| 14:31.08 | manganese | s/men/mean/ |
| 14:31.42 | cupantae | ...in case i needed various dependencies. or would that matter? |
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| 14:32.12 | themill | cupantae: you can run i386 on top of amd64 without any issues. multistrap was more designed to handle arm on x86 sort of problems |
| 14:32.40 | cupantae | ok. thanks a million, everyone! i'm gonna go try some stuff |
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| 14:37.13 | jaggz | why can't my user remove a 0660 perm file? my user is not of the group but is listed as a member of the group in /etc/group |
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| 14:38.09 | ksk | guess you need rights on the dir to delete files in it? you should test this, im not sure |
| 14:38.12 | shaullx | is it possible to start a script using ssh, and keep it alive regardless to if i close the ssh connection? |
| 14:38.18 | jaggz | it's /tmp/ ... |
| 14:38.35 | tremon | jaggz: only the owner can remove files in /tmp |
| 14:38.40 | lasers` | manganese: I want to run... "hdd --unlock white_dog" which will luksOpen the HDD and mount the path, just like Gnome2 do with their GUI. I don't know if autofs could do that. |
| 14:38.47 | jaggz | ohhhh.. sticky bit right? |
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| 14:38.57 | lasers` | shaullx: screen, maybe? |
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| 14:39.12 | jaggz | thanks :) |
| 14:39.25 | shaullx | lasers, what do you mean by screen |
| 14:39.40 | ksk | !tell shaullx about screen |
| 14:39.46 | nyk2005 | Does anyone know what could be the reason that I have currently 5 instances of CRON running? After boot, it's just one, but now after 15 days uptime, it 5. |
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| 14:40.32 | ksk | nyk2005: use "pstree" or sth like that to see what the crons are doing (eg running a job) |
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| 14:40.42 | jaggz | that's all.. thanks a lot tremon |
| 14:40.44 | nyk2005 | Is it possible to find out what children each of the CRON have? |
| 14:41.00 | ksk | nyk2005: pstree |
| 14:41.02 | nyk2005 | ksk: ok, this sounds interesting! |
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| 14:41.23 | nyk2005 | ksk: thanks, I installing that... |
| 14:43.48 | threadlock | runlevel arguments not matching lsb values? |
| 14:43.55 | threadlock | where are these runlevel arguments set? |
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| 14:48.09 | nyk2005 | ksk: looks strange: http://pastebin.com/qM8Wb86b |
| 14:48.57 | thewanderer1 | nyk2005, it simply forks... nothing wrong with that |
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| 14:49.37 | Jef91 | What permissions does my normal user need to be able to mount removable media without sudo? |
| 14:49.37 | thewanderer1 | if it's stalled in that state, it might be that the programs executed by cron might have hung or be running too long |
| 14:49.39 | nyk2005 | ksk: so 3 instances of the "webcam_control" are somehow running? This is a script that should take only 10sec at max to run, and it's run every minute. strange that it has 3 instances |
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| 14:51.10 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 14:51.58 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: but I don't get why 3 instances of the "webcam_control" script are running instead of terminating. This program doesn't have any sleep or loop in it, it's supposed to check something, then terminate. |
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| 14:52.19 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: is there a way I can find out what it's doing? |
| 14:52.37 | thewanderer1 | nyk2005, maybe... you can attach to a program and ptrace() it - see strace tool |
| 14:52.46 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: and they show 0:00 running time in ps |
| 14:53.00 | pppoe_dude | I am having a problem with dnsmasq --- I think I figured out how to temporarily fix it, but here is what is happening: I have isc-dhcp-server installed, as well as firestarter, for internet sharing. The problem started yesterday. When firestarter tries to start, dnsmasq can't start and gives the error "dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket: Address already in use" -- it turns out the named is running and when I kill it, dnsmasq and fire |
| 14:53.00 | pppoe_dude | starter start fine. How can I resolve this problem so that I don't have to keep doing this in the future? |
| 14:53.06 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: does it make sense for a python script? |
| 14:53.20 | thewanderer1 | nyk2005, I don't know, ptrace() them and see |
| 14:54.23 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: ok I try. But lsof already showed something interesting! These processes are connected to some remote host and seem to hang in it |
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| 14:56.11 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: I think I have it: does urllib.urlopen (python) have an default of INFINITE time as time timeout? This would explain it. But would be kind of stupid default... :) |
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| 14:58.22 | thewanderer1 | nyk2005, I don't know, but it's quite likely... that's what most socket implementations do |
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| 14:58.46 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: wow, I had NO idea, thanks! |
| 14:59.00 | SeasluG | Any idea how to kill USB automount on Gnome ? |
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| 14:59.24 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: then it's obvious why this is causing so many CRONs... :) |
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| 15:06.07 | bigfoot- | Hi. I'm running Squeeze on a multiuser server, and just recently GDM started failing to login users properly with a non-en_US.UTF-8 locale. The user selects, e.g., Spanish, from the drop-down; GDM responds with "You will restart the login screen with the es_ES.UTF-8 locale." and displays a Spanish greeting afterwards. |
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| 15:07.18 | bigfoot- | but then logging in leads to an error message: "Language es_ES.UTF-8 does not exist; using System default". The session uses an en_US.UTF-8 locale then. |
| 15:07.59 | bigfoot- | Googling did not really give me an answer; /etc/locale.gen has es_ES.UTF-8 enabled, and I also re-ran locale-gen. |
| 15:08.30 | bigfoot- | I have no idea what's causing this, and where to look. Suggestions? |
| 15:10.44 | project2501a | during installation, is it possible to switch to tty2/3 and ask the installer to throw in a couple more packages? |
| 15:11.33 | bigfoot- | I guess you'd just get some error message stating that the aptitude package database is currently locked/in use ... |
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| 15:13.16 | tremon | project2501a: yes, use in-target apt-get install <pkgs>. But like bigfoot says, don't do it while another install is still running |
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| 15:14.00 | project2501a | aye. i just could not find apt-get in the shell, there was some other minimal apt clone? ada? |
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| 15:14.39 | tremon | project2501a: that's why you need in-target (and apt-get needs to be installed first). The installer environment only uses udpkg |
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| 15:15.25 | project2501a | which basically unpackages a list of packages on the hard drive. |
| 15:15.34 | project2501a | tremon: thank you :) |
| 15:15.49 | project2501a | we need more double cheeseburgers. |
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| 15:24.44 | shaullx | i remember having a vnc, that keeps the session alive even when the port is closed, could anyone tell me which one is that? |
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| 15:29.06 | krion | hey guys |
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| 15:29.24 | krion | is someone aware of a problemn with the newly dependancy based startup and drbd ? |
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| 15:30.02 | krion | the things is while debian squeeze is booting, if drbd can not connect (wfconnection) you cannot abort the connection |
| 15:30.18 | krion | i have to ssh into the host and do the drbd stop drbd start |
| 15:30.27 | krion | if not i can not get login and shell prompt |
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| 15:31.50 | tremon | krion: probably it's started too early. Do you know why it fails (i.e. on which service it depends)? |
| 15:32.43 | krion | tremon: hum it doesn't failed probably, but looks like the startup process is stop |
| 15:32.57 | project2501a | how do update the tassel tasks? apt-get update does not make tassel find med-tasks |
| 15:33.18 | tremon | project2501a: use dselect (iirc) |
| 15:33.34 | project2501a | :( |
| 15:33.36 | tremon | krion: why is it stopped? |
| 15:33.42 | krion | tremon: it failed because: 1) it cannot contact the other host, 2) i cannot type yes (i can type it but it doesn't get "evaluated) in order to abort waiting when it ask me "To abort waiting enter 'yes'" |
| 15:34.07 | tremon | krion: so it's an interactive startup script? |
| 15:34.21 | krion | not always, only if it failed |
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| 15:34.46 | krion | if the other host is up he doesn't ask question, but in this case, yes, the script is interactive |
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| 15:35.31 | krion | tremon: find the bug report |
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| 15:35.47 | krion | tremon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613654 |
| 15:35.49 | tremon | krion: I'm confused. If the startup script fails because the other host is unreachable, what fix are you looking for? |
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| 15:36.28 | krion | tremon: sorry if i'm not understable enough, my english is so bad |
| 15:36.52 | krion | tremon: the fact that i type yes should permit the boot process to continue |
| 15:37.01 | krion | tremon: i didn't have this behaviour with lenny |
| 15:37.13 | tremon | krion: it's not the english, I'm just unsure where the problem is |
| 15:37.32 | krion | tremon: if you're the bug report may be you'll understand |
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| 15:37.41 | tremon | and you have tried the patch in the bugreport? |
| 15:37.41 | krion | tremon: i guess it's easyly reproductible |
| 15:37.47 | krion | nop just found it |
| 15:37.54 | tremon | :) |
| 15:38.00 | krion | (sorry i like irc in order to tchit tchat |
| 15:38.14 | ratatata | nu |
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| 15:38.38 | JordiGH | Is it worth reporting problems with the backported linuxen? |
| 15:39.37 | pppoe_dude | is named installed by default on squeeze? |
| 15:39.51 | tremon | pppoe_dude: no |
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| 15:40.08 | tremon | JordiGH: I guess so, backports are an official part of Debian |
| 15:40.20 | pppoe_dude | tremon, i wonder what installed it in my system, because it is conflicting with dnsmasq |
| 15:40.58 | tremon | pppoe_dude: if it's an automatic dependency (improbable), aptitude why will tell you |
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| 15:41.46 | hyppias | is there a tool to generate an fstab from a live system? |
| 15:41.59 | krion | tremon: looks like the init script is just missing # X-Interactive: true at the beginning... |
| 15:42.06 | tremon | hyppias: cat /proc/mounts will get you started |
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| 15:42.39 | pppoe_dude | hmm, cant even find the name of the package |
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| 15:43.49 | Anubi | hi all, can someone helps me to set libata.dma parameter? In which file i'll write this |
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| 15:44.26 | tremon | pppoe_dude: bind9? |
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| 15:45.28 | pppoe_dude | hmm... |
| 15:45.48 | pppoe_dude | it says it is a dependency of autodns-dhcp |
| 15:45.55 | pppoe_dude | which is installed, but i don't know what installed that. |
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| 15:46.48 | pppoe_dude | and why this problem would start just today |
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| 15:49.18 | manganese | pppoe_dude: when did you last reboot? And the reboot before that? Is there anything pertinent in the dpkg logs between those two dates? |
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| 15:51.03 | pppoe_dude | manganese, looks like perhaps isc-dhcp-server installed it, though I remember installing isc-dhcp a while before taht |
| 15:51.39 | jhutchins_lt2 | ,versions clementine |
| 15:51.40 | judd | Package: clementine on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 0.5.3-1.3; squeeze-backports: 0.7.1+dfsg-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.1+dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.1+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:54.04 | manganese | pppoe_dude: presumably dnsmasq was running at the time. If you've rebooted since then (ie, today), and named started before dnsmasq, then today you'll have seen a problem that's always been there, but hidden. |
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| 15:55.50 | pppoe_dude | manganese, that makes sense. |
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| 15:57.58 | Sc0rian | http://pastie.org/3303169 |
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| 15:58.12 | Sc0rian | cannot work why im getting lost packets |
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| 15:58.18 | Sc0rian | can anyone help |
| 15:58.51 | HSorgYves | morning, getting a strange perl error: "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." |
| 15:59.12 | HSorgYves | tryed several "suggestions" from the hits i found on google, nothing helped |
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| 16:00.01 | themill | HSorgYves: what's the output of "locale"? |
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| 16:00.39 | HSorgYves | "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory", same thing for LC_ALL |
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| 16:01.41 | shaullx | is it possible to make a vnc server run without listening to connections on the port, until i tell him to? |
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| 16:02.07 | NishaKitty | if you use the iw command does that stop NetworkManager working? |
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| 16:04.53 | themill | HSorgYves: does "set|grep -e ^LC -e ^LANG" say anything? Also, how are you connecting to this machine? |
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| 16:05.54 | NishaKitty | basically I used iw command and it took me awhile to figure out what I broke and get backon the net so i am looking to see if anyone knows if iw disabled managed in NetworkManager.conf |
| 16:06.03 | HSorgYves | themill: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ; LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 ; using Terminal on Mac OS X |
| 16:06.53 | themill | HSorgYves: ok... so have you already enabled the en_US.UTF-8 locale via "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and then tried logging back in? |
| 16:07.08 | themill | !mac locales |
| 16:07.09 | dpkg | If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting from a Mac to a Debian host over ssh: (a) In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (b) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (c) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar). |
| 16:07.19 | jhutchins_lt2 | NishaKitty: You may want to restart the system to clear any settings you changed, but the iw command should not make any permanent changes. |
| 16:07.23 | themill | HSorgYves: ^^ that's the next thing to try if you've already done that. |
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| 16:07.26 | HSorgYves | themill: yes, its the only one activated in the first screen and selected in the second for dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:08.23 | NishaKitty | jhutchins_lt: idk what happened then cause when I visited NetworkManager.conf it was set to managed=false |
| 16:08.31 | NishaKitty | is that normal? |
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| 16:09.05 | shaullx | i need somehow to keep the vnc active, without the port being open, until i need it to :x, is that possible somehow? |
| 16:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | NishaKitty: It's not normal to manage the conf file manually. |
| 16:09.11 | NishaKitty | jhutchins_lt: I was tryping the key wrong too for my wifi so I've got mised up |
| 16:09.33 | NishaKitty | jhutchins_lt: I know but I thought I broke it so x.x |
| 16:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | NishaKitty: Whether an interface is managed is usually determined by whether it's configured in the /etc/network/interfaces file. If it is, NM leaves it alone. |
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| 16:10.46 | jhutchins_lt | I'm not finding a network-manager conf file on my squeeze system. |
| 16:10.54 | NishaKitty | I'm on wheezy |
| 16:11.10 | NishaKitty | well wheezy with some apt rules it's not all wheezy ^^; |
| 16:11.37 | NishaKitty | I'll set it back to false just in case |
| 16:11.40 | NishaKitty | that's the way I found it |
| 16:11.47 | NishaKitty | and I was probably just tryping my pin wrong -.- |
| 16:12.12 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, I see someone is ignoring the "no mixed case" rule... |
| 16:12.28 | NishaKitty | nah |
| 16:12.31 | NishaKitty | I jsut had the wrong key |
| 16:12.41 | NishaKitty | I changed it ahwile back and forgot so I was trying to use the old one -.- |
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| 16:12.46 | jhutchins_lt | NishaKitty: That what mine says, and KNM works fine. |
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| 16:13.04 | NishaKitty | jhutchins_lt: yeah it was probably just me typing the key wrong I've reverted the file |
| 16:13.15 | Clitoris | Hi, I'm trying to install Lesbian Linux but I keep getting core dumped. |
| 16:13.16 | Sc0rian | anyone got an idea why i get lost packets? (http://pastie.org/3303169) |
| 16:13.25 | NishaKitty | I was trying to bridge my ethernet with my wlan but then I read down and it wasn't working |
| 16:14.09 | NishaKitty | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the help |
| 16:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | Glad we figured it out. |
| 16:14.36 | NishaKitty | me too |
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| 16:14.55 | NishaKitty | I just switched to debian from windows I'm pretty compentent with PCs just a lot of new concepts to learn |
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| 16:15.03 | NishaKitty | I'm switching my eeepc at this moment |
| 16:15.27 | jhutchins_lt | Sc0rian: Not without a lot more information, like release, kernel, chipset, etc. |
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| 16:15.39 | AthomIk | hello |
| 16:16.06 | Sc0rian | 2.6.32-5-amd64, squeeze, driver: e1000e version: 1.2.20-k2 (using ethtool) |
| 16:16.12 | threadlock | can i use -ai386,amd64 with debuild? |
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| 16:16.18 | AthomIk | have a lot of NVRM: Xid (0000:01:00): 8, Channel 00000001 in my kern.log |
| 16:16.24 | AthomIk | and my system is buggy |
| 16:16.41 | Sc0rian | its a Intel Corporation 82574L |
| 16:16.50 | AthomIk | with 3.2x sid kernel or 3.2.2 compliled kernel |
| 16:17.35 | jhutchins_lt | You're running sid and your system is buggy. Situation normal and expected. |
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| 16:17.57 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: lot of buggy |
| 16:18.04 | bigfoot- | ... looks like my gdm/locale problem might be related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/185947 |
| 16:18.14 | AthomIk | it's a windows like systeme sid ? |
| 16:18.15 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: Sid is where the bugs live. |
| 16:18.17 | HSorgYves | themill: AcceptEnv is set to LANG LC_*; how to accept all LC_* besides LC_CTYPE? |
| 16:18.38 | AthomIk | hummm i must take nivida from nvidia web |
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| 16:18.58 | AthomIk | how i can suppress all debian nvidia packages ? |
| 16:19.07 | HSorgYves | or vice-versa: how to sent all LC_* besides LC_CTYPE? |
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| 16:19.26 | Sc0rian | jhutchins_lt anything else? |
| 16:19.33 | oselotti | Hi! I need to know what cd drive i have. How can I get that info? Command? I need it because of this: http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm |
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| 16:19.35 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
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| 16:20.08 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt possible to downgrad sid to wheezy ? |
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| 16:20.56 | Erik8 | Hello. |
| 16:21.06 | Erik8 | Have any of you used jigdo to go straight to testing? |
| 16:21.23 | Erik8 | I am in the process of downloading it right now and was wondering what you folks thought. |
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| 16:21.49 | Ronis_BR_ | when I try to install linux-headers-3.1.0-1-amd64 I got the problems here: http://pastebin.com/mBG1eQ8g |
| 16:22.14 | somiaj | Erik8: using the testing installer (that is deisgned to test new installer features) to install testing isn't advised, as the testing installer may have issues. |
| 16:22.55 | somiaj | Erik8: most would be better served using a businesscd image and install the base system from testing with that (the stable one). I'm still a fan of install a debian base stable system, upgrade from there. |
| 16:23.01 | Erik8 | somiaj: I have been having troubles upgrading from squeeze to testing on a particular computer. These troubles do not look like they can be overcome. |
| 16:23.24 | Erik8 | somiaj: In light of this fact, do you think jigdo would be good since I can get the wheezy iso straight without upgrading? |
| 16:23.27 | themill | HSorgYves: I suspect you've got to enumerate them all individually; changing your terminal preferences *might* be easier |
| 16:23.33 | somiaj | Erik8: even just upgrading a base system. You are of course welcome to test the new debian installer. I think it is working better than in past release (less changes that I know of) |
| 16:24.01 | HSorgYves | themill: works fine now; thx |
| 16:24.25 | somiaj | Erik8: as I said thw wheezy iso is a testing image for the debian installers, there could be other complications with the installer. I'd suggest using a businesscd stable installer and point it at testing sources. Or debootstrap from a liveCD/another linux parttion. |
| 16:24.39 | somiaj | Erik8: though feel free to test it out, it may just work. |
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| 16:25.38 | themill | !congratulate HSorgYves |
| 16:25.39 | dpkg | Huzzah HSorgYves, you did it! |
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| 16:26.16 | Erik8 | somiaj: Thanks for the advice. I'll keep those ideas in mind in case jigdo messes up. |
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| 16:27.25 | raz | hm.. why is the visual highlight color on the default install of vim still white-on-white |
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| 16:27.38 | raz | you'd think someone would fix that eventually... ;) |
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| 16:34.00 | somiaj | raz: are you sure it isn't an issue with your console |
| 16:34.22 | somiaj | raz: I thought the default was 'white text' and just uses the background of your current terminal. On xterms the default works just fine. (: |
| 16:34.41 | raz | somiaj: well, perhaps it's specific to me coming on on a white-on-black 256 color terminal |
| 16:34.52 | raz | still that doesn't seem to be so exotic a terminal ;) |
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| 16:35.22 | raz | iTerm here, fwiw |
| 16:35.27 | somiaj | hmm, well I use the vim defaults on many machines and have not noticed that, have you checked the bts |
| 16:35.37 | somiaj | but black background / grey text is a normal console I'm use to |
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| 16:36.44 | raz | perhaps this is really something screwy with my iterm settings related to reverse-video |
| 16:36.51 | raz | i'll investigate some more :) |
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| 16:37.28 | Ronis_BR | how can I correct this error: http://pastebin.com/mBG1eQ8g while installing linux-headers-3.1.0-1-amd64? |
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| 16:40.10 | stimpie | during an install I'am missing the bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-5.0.0.j3.fw driver, I copied the file firmware-bnx2_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb to an usb stick and hit the load from removable media key. But after a while I get the same prompt again. Any pointers? |
| 16:40.19 | Argafal | hi folks. is there a way of finding out about the IO operations of a process? In top I see 100% IO-wait for way too long and I am wondering what the process is actually doing. Any chance of finding out which file handles it has open in the moment, e.g.? |
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| 16:40.57 | betinho | I believe that believe that should be simple but anyone knows how to convert hexadecimal => binary base or decimal => binary using rpncalc v1.36? (i've tried everything but didn't work ...) |
| 16:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know of a stream player that will allow you to rewind to catch somethng you missed? |
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| 16:41.27 | stimpie | Argafal, /proc/PID/ provides lots of raw info |
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| 16:42.09 | manganese | stimpie: I believe you need to put the firmware image itself on the removable medium, not the .deb that contains it. |
| 16:43.08 | stimpie | manganese, ok lets try |
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| 16:59.21 | zul0 | hi! anyone can help me with make error in compact wireless? |
| 16:59.32 | rexer | <-- having issues booting after 1/28/2012 dist-upgrade. Black screen on Ati Radeon 6310 on HP DM1 netbook. Any helpful advice please. |
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| 17:00.48 | shaullx | is it possible to install x86 java on an x64 system? |
| 17:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | rexer: Which release/kernel? |
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| 17:02.12 | rexer | jhutchins_lt: squeeze/kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 17:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | rexer: What driver are you using for the radeon? |
| 17:04.45 | rexer | jhutchins_lt: i did install the catalyst and it worked fine..(as far as i know) when the display worked. |
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| 17:05.44 | Orphis | Hello, I've got a problem on some machines of mine |
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| 17:06.00 | rexer | jhutchins_lt: i even tried adding radeon.modeset=0 to kernel when booting. |
| 17:06.06 | rexer | jhutchins_lt: no change. |
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| 17:06.08 | Orphis | I've seen that the permissions of /dev/kvm is 660 but it belongs to root:root |
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| 17:06.32 | Orphis | So it's a big problem for qemu that runs as libvirt user in group kvm |
| 17:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | rexer: Sorry, I don't know enough specifics about the radeon drivers. You might find something useful in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:07.10 | Orphis | Do you have any idea why udev wouldn't change the group of /dev/kvm to kvm ? |
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| 17:07.34 | rexer | jhutchins_lt: how to view it when screen/keyboard no ssh or telnet to box.? |
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| 17:10.20 | nsadmin | rexer, if you don't have what's necessary to get into the machine, you can install it |
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| 17:10.37 | nsadmin | and word to the wise... NOT telnetd |
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| 17:12.07 | rexer | nsadmin: booting ends up in nonresponsive keyboard/black screen. |
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| 17:18.42 | kesroesweyth | How can I update my lenny server to squeeze using apt-get? |
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| 17:21.15 | themill | kesroesweyth: this is described in the release notes. "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" for a rough outline, but you should read the upgrading chapter (at least) from the release notes |
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| 17:21.29 | kesroesweyth | okay thanks |
| 17:22.23 | dkr | why is there java1-runtime, java2-runtime, java5-runtime, java6-runtime but not 3 or 4? |
| 17:22.56 | themill | dkr: because java can't count |
| 17:23.47 | threadlock | uhm.. i managed to build a i386.deb package with 64bit binaries? |
| 17:23.57 | jelly | !win threadlock |
| 17:23.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, threadlock! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 17:24.04 | dkr | I'm trying to access an old catalyst switch which uses java and it told me my 1.6_22 plugin is not right and it needs 1.3 or 1.4 |
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| 17:24.15 | threadlock | thought 'debuild -us -uc -ai386' would do it? |
| 17:24.36 | threadlock | no? |
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| 17:25.44 | ansgar | threadlock: No. Try a chroot (schroot) or sbuild. |
| 17:25.57 | jelly | dkr: I'd try updating to 1.6_26 or 1.6_30 before searching the depths of the interweb for old java. |
| 17:25.59 | threadlock | meh |
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| 17:26.09 | threadlock | ansgar: but thanks, i'll look into that |
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| 17:26.59 | dkr | jelly: ah, it actually is _26, I just braino-ed |
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| 17:27.37 | dkr | maybe I should just stick to using the cli |
| 17:27.50 | jelly | it's a sign from above |
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| 17:28.32 | dkr | or maybe not. telnet-ed to it and I get "Password required, but none set" "Connection closed by foreign host." |
| 17:28.43 | jelly | get your CCNA®™ now |
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| 17:34.00 | geekou | ser/win 3 |
| 17:34.06 | geekou | erf sorry |
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| 17:37.36 | raj | how do I switch the user? |
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| 17:39.08 | somiaj | raj: depends, if you just want to launch a shell in a terminal with a new user, use 'su user' or 'su - user |
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| 17:39.14 | somiaj | second one actually creates a new login shell |
| 17:39.28 | raj | i'm not sure what the difference is |
| 17:39.45 | somiaj | if you want to switch or run another xsession so the user has a full DE/xorg enviorment things like gdm/kdm have that ability |
| 17:40.05 | somiaj | if you just want to run something as root, dont switch to root, use sudo |
| 17:40.15 | raj | actually, I'm root now |
| 17:40.22 | raj | and I wanna switch to the user I just created |
| 17:40.34 | somiaj | are you loged in X as root (should avoid that) |
| 17:40.35 | raj | i'm working in my webserver and I thought it'd be best if I didn't stay on as root |
| 17:40.41 | raj | no X |
| 17:40.47 | raj | I ssh'd in |
| 17:40.50 | somiaj | you should probabaly log out and then ssh back in as the desired user |
| 17:40.57 | raj | ah, ok |
| 17:41.03 | somiaj | using su, though will make you that new user, when you 'exit' you will return to the root login |
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| 17:41.20 | somiaj | and if you plan on using sudo with that user add yourself to the sudo group firest |
| 17:41.23 | somiaj | first |
| 17:41.29 | raj | i do plan on |
| 17:41.32 | raj | how do I do that? |
| 17:41.36 | somiaj | adduser foo sudo |
| 17:41.54 | Squidy | hello.. I'm creating a .deb package of a script that I wrote.. However, is there a way to protect the config file when updating the version of package? |
| 17:41.58 | Squidy | how to do that? |
| 17:42.19 | raj | thank you somiaj |
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| 17:43.49 | themill | Squidy: if you're using packaging tools like debhelper and the script is in /etc then that happens automatically. (look up "conffile handling") |
| 17:44.13 | raj | outta curiosity, what can the root user do over a user that has sudo privileges? |
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| 17:44.57 | Squidy | themill: I'm using just "dpkg -b ..." |
| 17:45.10 | rexer | is there a url in sources.list for this >> E: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 17:46.08 | helo | anyone know why home/end don't work on machines i ssh into? just inserts ~ |
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| 17:47.25 | tremon | !tell rexer about non-free sources |
| 17:47.45 | meta-coder | !tell meta-coder about non-free sources |
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| 17:48.08 | themill | Squidy: then you perhaps want to consider building a package with more sophisticated tools. (You need to list the conffiles in DEBIAN/conffiles) |
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| 17:50.27 | Squidy | themill: humm.. ok.. thx |
| 17:50.27 | jkyle_ | my lvm volumes just disappeared on reboot in squeeze. lvdisplay and pvdisplay returns nothing. |
| 17:51.23 | Erik8 | Does anyone know how to tell how far along jigdo is? |
| 17:51.38 | Erik8 | I just see it downloading packages one at a time over and over again |
| 17:51.42 | jkyle | not even sure where to start trying to figure out how that happened. that's a pretty catastrophic failure |
| 17:51.45 | Erik8 | And the file size is staying roughly the same |
| 17:52.02 | rexer | how do i add the non-free and contrib components to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:52.09 | Argafal | hi, I got a question: I have a rather slow storage array. And TONS of main memory. And an application that does a lot of computation, then lots of disk writing, then lots of computation. So I am thinking, can I make it write to main memory, and while it computes write back to disk, on operating system/userland level without touching the application or doing it manually with ramdisks? |
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| 17:55.28 | Erik8 | Can I change my mirror in jigdo while it is running? |
| 17:55.37 | tremon | Argafal: look up linux vm tuning, swappiness and dirty parameters |
| 17:55.43 | Argafal | tremon: thank you. |
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| 17:56.14 | jkyle | can't find anything in my logs to indicate what happend. nary a mention of lvm besides the install |
| 17:56.35 | rexer | how do i add the non-free and contrib components to /etc/apt/sources.list in terminal.. X isnt working.. |
| 17:56.37 | Argafal | but swappiness doesn't seem to be related to my problem, or I don't see how, I think. |
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| 17:56.57 | Argafal | "A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache." |
| 17:57.00 | Argafal | (says dpkg) |
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| 17:57.16 | tremon | Argafal: not directly, no. You probably need to change the dirty_writeback parameter |
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| 17:58.10 | tremon | Argafal: but these parameters are global. I don't know how to do this per-process |
| 17:58.30 | Argafal | tremon: that would be ok. it's only that process running, or maybe the one running twice. |
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| 18:00.21 | Argafal | ok, i'm reading http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660. WHY on earth would someone use main memory to be swapspace and not simply add that main memory as more main memory? |
| 18:00.53 | Argafal | i thought swapspace is used when main memory is not sufficient anymore. so this article suggests to add more main memory, but not use it as such, but as swapspace insted. |
| 18:01.18 | Argafal | also what does it have to do with me wanting to cache writing to disk (files/plots being written) using main memory? I'm utterly confused, please explain. |
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| 18:02.14 | tremon | Argafal: increasing the swappiness factor makes more memory available for disk cache, thereby reducing the memory pressure caused by writes |
| 18:03.11 | rexer | nevermind.. found a sources.generator |
| 18:03.26 | Argafal | but i don't have any shortcoming of main memory. overall i need 72GB for my process and I got about three times as much. |
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| 18:04.19 | Argafal | my problem is the application that writes into a file. and this slows the whole thing down. it should cache this in main memory instead of spending time doing IO-wait, and then successively write it to disk during computations. |
| 18:04.42 | dondelelcaro | Argafal: there's no reason to do that |
| 18:05.14 | dondelelcaro | Argafal: the application may be calling sync or similar, and blocking while the file is written; it's not all that unusual |
| 18:05.46 | Argafal | no, it is not. |
| 18:06.01 | dondelelcaro | Argafal: well, exactly how is the file opened? how is it being written to? |
| 18:06.11 | Argafal | yeah, i think i need to find out about that. |
| 18:06.29 | tremon | Argafal: well, have you seen dirty_expire_centisecs and dirty_ratio? |
| 18:07.07 | Erik8 | I'm wondering if a download is messing up because of file size. Is "3.67 GB (3,942,791,232 bytes)" too large for fat32? |
| 18:07.25 | Erik8 | I know that fat32 is 4 GB, but I do not know if that is an approximation |
| 18:07.59 | Argafal | tremon: no, didn't get there yet, i'm still reading dpkg's swapiness info. |
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| 18:09.22 | dondelelcaro | Erik8: it's 2^32-1, so you should be ok, but it's certainly possible to have fat volumes which even that is too large |
| 18:09.38 | somiaj | Erik8: fat32 should be using the actual Giga so really that is 1024 kilo per bypte, 1024 mega per kilo, and 1024 giga per mega. so really the max is 4*1024*1024*1042 |
| 18:10.05 | Erik8 | somiaj: Thanks |
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| 18:10.27 | Argafal | tremon: yes, i think that's the right thing to look into, the dirty parameters. |
| 18:10.31 | Argafal | tremon: great. |
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| 18:11.16 | rawtaz | is there any particular reason the debian installer doesnt align partitions by default (when choosing auto partitioning of course :)? |
| 18:11.36 | rawtaz | i think it would be a good idea if it was |
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| 18:12.21 | rexer | <-- having issues booting after 1/28/2012 dist-upgrade. Black screen on Ati Radeon 6310 on HP DM1 netbook. Any helpful advice please. |
| 18:12.23 | lasers` | Hello all. Is it possible to have RSS sprouting out latest information with shortened URL? |
| 18:12.39 | rawtaz | rexer: got ssh? :) |
| 18:12.42 | rexer | ive booted recoverymode.. |
| 18:12.53 | rexer | rawtaz: now i do. |
| 18:12.58 | rawtaz | nice |
| 18:13.05 | rawtaz | well i have no idea why the problem is. |
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| 18:13.22 | rexer | (facepalm) |
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| 18:14.12 | cardamon | Hi. |
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| 18:14.27 | tremon | rexer: well, don't leave us in suspense? |
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| 18:14.50 | rexer | tremon: nice to see you... |
| 18:15.10 | rexer | tremon: ive booted in recoverymode.. and got nic up and installed ssh... |
| 18:15.29 | rexer | tremon: now booted and had to manualy get nic and ssh going... but at least i have a screen to work with. |
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| 18:17.01 | rexer | tremon: your link about http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article41/debian-amd-graphic-card says to install linux-firmware-nonfree. but when i do apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree returns Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 18:17.14 | ar | hi |
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| 18:17.44 | tremon | rexer: try firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:18.22 | rexer | tremon: firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 18:18.43 | tremon | ok, so that shouldn't be the issue then |
| 18:19.28 | cardamon | I'm trying to get ALSA to "share the card among multiple processes" so I can, should I deign to, hear two things at once. The wiki entry says to look at /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asound.conf_dmix. Well, I don't have one. I only have asoundrc.txt.gz (which I've looked at, and it doesn't seem to have anything dmix related, more of a gross template) |
| 18:19.31 | tremon | rexer: you're on squeeze (6.0), right? Can you try blacklisting the radeon module |
| 18:19.33 | nand` | Does anybody know if the open source radeon drivers support 10-bit video output? |
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| 18:20.11 | tremon | nand`: 10bit per-color? |
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| 18:21.08 | rexer | tremon: uname -a Linux rexfx 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux ; cat /etc/debian_version> 6.0.4 |
| 18:21.25 | tremon | nand`: I don't think they support hdmi deep color yet... |
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| 18:21.54 | ar | using the initramfs-tools, is it possible to mount tmpfs as / and populate it by unpacking a .tar using a script from "local-bottom"? |
| 18:21.56 | nand` | tremon: What about DisplayPort? (my monitor won't accept deep color over HDMI either way) |
| 18:22.01 | nand` | and yeah 10-bit per channel |
| 18:22.46 | ar | nand`: displayport support 10-bit channels, hdmi doesn't. dunno about it being supported at all on linux |
| 18:23.24 | tremon | ar: there used to be a safeguard in pivot_root that refused to pivot if the intended root was on tmpfs, you may need to patch that out |
| 18:23.26 | nand` | ar: HDMI does in later versions |
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| 18:23.43 | nand` | DisplayPort supports up to 16-bit, I know this. I'm just wondering whether there's any possibility to get a 10-bit workflow on linux |
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| 18:24.13 | nand` | on Windows I had to use the patched AMD Workstation drivers (Which worked for radeon HD cards as well) since the official drivers didn't support it (but the hardware does), but I don't know if that's doable on linux |
| 18:24.31 | cardamon | ,.pciid 1002:4383 |
| 18:24.48 | cardamon | ...I never remember how to do that or who to msg it to. |
| 18:25.05 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.12 | nsadmin | try that |
| 18:25.14 | tremon | rexer: it looks like the squeeze firmware-linux package doesn't have the HD6000 firmware. Please try with the backports version : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:25.27 | somiaj | cardamon: google is a good place too, don't have to always come here and use the bots. |
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| 18:27.02 | cardamon | somiaj: I'd been there first already. And the bot didn't have anything useful to say. |
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| 18:30.19 | rexer | tremon: so what needs to be added to sources.list? |
| 18:30.51 | nsadmin | cardamon, perhaps in order to have judd's output useful, you need additional knowledge? |
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| 18:32.16 | tremon | rexer: nothing, if you download it from the link I gave you. Otherwise, http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 18:32.18 | JodaZ | how would i reset my networking settings to debian default ? i have a problem with packet loss and booting a fresh system works |
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| 18:33.46 | tremon | cardamon: if I ask ddg for "\alsa dmix example", it gives me http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc which says "before ALSA 1.0.11 you generally needed one if you wanted to have more than one ALSA application output sound at the same time via the DmixPlugin, but current ALSA versions shouldn't need one." |
| 18:34.11 | cardamon | Okay, I think I see part of the forest through the trees. I want mutiple processes to have access to the soundcard. Hardware doesn't do it, so need mixing. dmix should work auto magically out of the box after alsa-1.0.9...but it's not. |
| 18:35.39 | rexer | :-/ |
| 18:35.43 | pushpop | Hi All, I trying to run a perl script from apache. I get the following error when I browse to the perl script Options ExecCGI is off in this directory |
| 18:36.01 | pushpop | any my webrowser returs You don't have permission to access /test.pl on this server. |
| 18:36.27 | kevlarman | cardamon: first, if you start up 2 speaker-tests at the same time, does it work? |
| 18:36.47 | kevlarman | or does the second complain about being unable to access the hardware |
| 18:37.17 | Harzilein | pushpop: you can modify the default location to use execcgi there. or add a .htaccess file to specify execcgi for individual directories |
| 18:37.21 | cardamon | I haven't looked at anything in console output. Just tried playing streaming video in a browser while mpd was playing. |
| 18:37.33 | cardamon | also some game as well. |
| 18:37.45 | cardamon | Which I think uses miles. |
| 18:37.55 | pushpop | Harzilein, where do I modify the defaut location? |
| 18:39.03 | Harzilein | pushpop: i meant the default config. for /var/www. in /etc/config/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 18:39.14 | pushpop | ahh ok |
| 18:39.17 | Harzilein | (or is it just "default" in squeeze?) |
| 18:40.06 | pushpop | default in squeeze? |
| 18:40.20 | nsadmin | cardamon, guessing is useless. find out exactly. |
| 18:40.24 | Harzilein | i'm not sure the filename is "000-default" in your release |
| 18:40.42 | rexer | tremon: do i need to uninstall any existing firmware packages? |
| 18:40.43 | pushpop | y |
| 18:40.58 | tremon | rexer: no, it's just an upgrade of the existing package |
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| 18:41.14 | cardamon | Okay, something crunchy then. This is what happens when mpd is pumping out through alsa and I run aplay on a wav. |
| 18:41.18 | cardamon | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 18:41.19 | rexer | welll im rebooting the box to see if any diff. |
| 18:41.20 | cardamon | aplay: main:666: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 18:41.49 | Harzilein | pushpop: that config should already have a directory stanza similar to what you want for /cgi-bin/ |
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| 18:42.12 | tremon | cardamon: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html#pcm_plugins_dmix ? |
| 18:42.13 | pushpop | Harzilein, yes -000-default does |
| 18:42.30 | nsadmin | !paste |
| 18:42.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 18:43.04 | rexer | nope no change. |
| 18:43.06 | Harzilein | pushpop: you can put the same statements that are inside the <Directory> tag for /cgi-bin/ into a .htaccess inside the directory where the cgis are |
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| 18:43.24 | pushpop | OK got cha let me try |
| 18:43.32 | cardamon | Last I checked 2 is less than more than 2. |
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| 18:43.50 | Harzilein | pushpop: you might still need to tell apache to read .htaccess files though |
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| 18:44.45 | cardamon | tremon: Unhelpful. |
| 18:44.54 | pushpop | Harzilein, what ever I did I can now download the pl file from the webbrowser |
| 18:44.55 | pushpop | haha |
| 18:45.31 | tremon | rexer: then we're stuck again. You really need to find out at which stage in the boot it is failing |
| 18:46.38 | rexer | tremon: so basicly i need to stop any ati firmware/drivers loading.. |
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| 18:47.06 | tremon | rexer: yes, and if that doesn't help the problem is not in the video driver |
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| 18:48.40 | Harzilein | pushpop: maybe you should make it executable? |
| 18:48.49 | pushpop | they are executable |
| 18:48.53 | pushpop | I checked that much |
| 18:49.08 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 18:49.26 | oy | nand`: 10-bit works server side with workstation cards and DP |
| 18:49.28 | Harzilein | but pl might no longer be a default extension recognized for cgis? -.- |
| 18:49.36 | Harzilein | haven't used cgi in ages |
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| 18:50.21 | oy | nand`: but clients might not be well prepared, newer Gtk is fine, Qt was fine until recently, Compiz is 16-bit anyway |
| 18:51.10 | nand` | oy: I'm mostly interesting in OpenGL which has had 10-bit support for considerably amounts of time |
| 18:51.25 | nand` | *considerable |
| 18:51.37 | nand` | oy: Do you know if it works with consumer cards eg. HD4890 |
| 18:51.43 | oy | nand`: I have a demo app supporting that, banding goes away |
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| 18:52.03 | Harzilein | pushpop: so you copied the contents of the <directory>-tag do a .htaccess in your script dir? |
| 18:52.09 | nand` | yeah, I made a demo app when I tested it on windows as well |
| 18:52.25 | oy | nand`: tested only a small Quadro with DP |
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| 18:52.48 | nand` | I see |
| 18:52.57 | oy | nand`: ATI say's they support it officially only in workstation cards; like nvidia |
| 18:53.02 | pushpop | Harzilein, my problem is i dont know what conf file to add the ExecCGI to so I can execute perl scripts from that directory |
| 18:53.14 | nand` | oy: yeah but it still works fine, and it's the same driver code either way |
| 18:53.16 | pushpop | Harzilein, nor do I know how to execute an .htaccess file |
| 18:53.23 | pushpop | or make it executable |
| 18:53.25 | Harzilein | pushpop: you just put it there |
| 18:53.26 | nand` | or mostly same |
| 18:53.35 | pushpop | oh ok |
| 18:53.36 | nand` | (on the hardware side of things) |
| 18:53.44 | Harzilein | pushpop: the /cgi-bin/ stanza already includes the +ExecCGI |
| 18:53.46 | pushpop | so I just place the .htaccess file where I need to excute perl |
| 18:53.55 | oy | nand`: ATI with consumer cards? |
| 18:53.58 | nand` | I'm guessing it would be relatively easy to hack in 10-bit support for consumer cards if it's already there for workstation cards |
| 18:54.01 | nand` | in the radeon drivers |
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| 18:54.26 | Harzilein | pushpop: you put it in the directory where the webserver will examine it before deciding what to do with a file residing in it. |
| 18:54.28 | oy | nand`: yeah, would be nice to have |
| 18:54.39 | nand` | oy: you can install the workstation drivers on consumer cards, all you need to change is hex edit one portion so it recognizes the card as valid |
| 18:54.57 | oy | nand`: funny |
| 18:55.07 | nand` | well, it's not possible on more recent cards |
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| 18:55.30 | nand` | but the HD4890, HD4870 and most of the 3xxx series shares the exact same chipset with some of the FirePro cards, so the drivers are compatible |
| 18:55.56 | pushpop | Harzilein, what permissions does the .htaccess file need? |
| 18:56.16 | Harzilein | it should be readable by the webserver |
| 18:56.20 | oy | nand`: I've no idea if the output tables are big enough for that |
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| 18:56.29 | pushpop | Harzilein, what permissions does the .htaccess file need? Is this OK? -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 153 Feb 2 13:57 .htaccess |
| 18:56.39 | Harzilein | yes |
| 18:56.49 | pushpop | still doesnt work |
| 18:57.31 | pushpop | Harzilein, this is what I have in the .htaccess file http://pastebin.com/K5tiEHWc |
| 18:57.42 | Harzilein | i said that maybe nowadays you need to explicitely inform the cgi handler that a pl extension indicates a cgi |
| 18:58.32 | Harzilein | pushpop: i tried hard to tell you that you want to have the _contents_ of that tag, not the tag itself |
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| 18:58.46 | pushpop | Harzilein, sorry |
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| 19:00.14 | nand` | oy: on the radeon chipset? or in the drivers? |
| 19:00.37 | Harzilein | generally you can put statements that are supposed to change options for a directory in a site config _with_ the directory tag (and an attribute that states which directory) or inside a .htaccess in the directory itself |
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| 19:01.33 | Harzilein | pushpop: if the config is for /var/www itself i suggest you change it in the main config |
| 19:01.57 | pushpop | Harzilein, I appreciate your help |
| 19:02.01 | pushpop | im getting close with your help |
| 19:02.03 | pushpop | thank you |
| 19:02.06 | pushpop | Ill figure it out |
| 19:02.44 | oy | nand`: no idea where the gamma tables are located |
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| 19:04.55 | cardamon | got sound working right |
| 19:04.57 | nand` | oy: they're 16-bit on windows so if they're hardware then they're 16-bit, if they're software then it doesn't matter |
| 19:05.44 | cardamon | mpd is now explicitly set to dmix, and gstreamer is set to use alsasink. Not sure what I did...but it's working. |
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| 19:07.05 | oy | nand`: promising |
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| 19:08.43 | N3M35I5 | hey guys, im using debian 6 on my dedicated server but after a few days use i run htop it shows all of my 2gb ram used in cache and closes my vnc etc, any deas why this is happening? i have to do: /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches to get it all back. thanks in advance guys |
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| 19:09.19 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: all of the ram should be used by caches. |
| 19:09.22 | cardamon | Spoke too soon. Old game doesn't like it. |
| 19:09.46 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: now, if things are being killed by the OOM killer, then something else is going on |
| 19:09.48 | N3M35I5 | dondelelcaro: why does it close my programs and vitualbox's when it's all used |
| 19:10.00 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: look at dmesg |
| 19:11.12 | N3M35I5 | its just full of [ 6427.188807] IPv6 addrconf: prefix with wrong length 56 |
| 19:11.46 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: you should see other things there, like the OOM killer being engaged if things are being killed off because you are running out of memory |
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| 19:12.03 | nand` | oy: Would certainly be lovely if it can be done, direct 10-bit video output would be a reason for me *not* to feel bad about losing madVR |
| 19:12.05 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: any memory that is being used by cache will be immediately reclaimed if it is needed. |
| 19:12.31 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: what are you doing with this server? |
| 19:12.35 | N3M35I5 | ahh ok, i just wasnt sure if that was the reason why. so its fine for all my ram to be cached. |
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| 19:12.51 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: yes. free ram is wasted ram. |
| 19:12.58 | N3M35I5 | i just installed gnome and use google crone, a few wine programs and transmission and apache2 |
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| 19:13.12 | oy | nand`: yes, if you can go for it |
| 19:13.20 | N3M35I5 | it says only 260mb of ram is being used out of 2000 |
| 19:13.28 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: what is the output of free? |
| 19:13.29 | oy | must prepare his FOSDEM talks now |
| 19:13.48 | N3M35I5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.49 | N3M35I5 | Mem: 2052608 1448360 604248 0 14960 1157240 |
| 19:13.49 | N3M35I5 | -/+ buffers/cache: 276160 1776448 |
| 19:13.49 | N3M35I5 | Swap: 1023192 108 1023084 |
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| 19:14.02 | N3M35I5 | oops lol |
| 19:14.15 | morphje | debhelper is unforgiving |
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| 19:16.22 | N3M35I5 | the main thing that gets killed is VNC |
| 19:16.40 | N3M35I5 | but i installed xrdp today and going to give that a whril see what happens |
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| 19:25.26 | zykotick9 | N3M35I5: you might be interested in http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 19:29.50 | hesco1 | what switch on ps will give me the complete path to a command in the process list? |
| 19:30.37 | SeasluG | ps -aux |
| 19:31.26 | somiaj | I prefer ps fax myself, though I use faux if I want user info. |
| 19:31.48 | jordanm | you need ww if the path is really long |
| 19:31.53 | hesco1 | SeasluG: thanks, I'm seeing a relative path: ./ssh-scan 300 |
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| 19:31.58 | hesco1 | on a cracked box. |
| 19:32.09 | hesco1 | locate fails to locate this binary |
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| 19:32.16 | hesco1 | any clues how to track it down? |
| 19:32.20 | jordanm | hesco1: ls -alh /proc/<pid>/cwd |
| 19:32.33 | hesco1 | thanks, will try |
| 19:32.41 | jordanm | hesco1: but really, if its rooted, there is no point. usually utilities like ls, ps, etc are replaced |
| 19:32.50 | jordanm | hesco1: and a program can write anything it wants to cmdline |
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| 19:34.07 | sephii | I installed iceweasel on a remote machine and enabled x11 forwarding. I can execute iceweasel remotely but then I get the profile of the local machine. Isn't that weird? |
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| 19:36.13 | Dulak | sephii: it's inheriting your local x environment, so it looks at the x env, then goes to the local machine's profiles. That is not weird, it's expected behavior |
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| 19:38.03 | nsadmin | then how would you get the expected behavior of getting the -remote- profile when I install onto a -remote- machine? |
| 19:38.04 | Dulak | sephii: when you forward X like that, everything you run remotely should act like it's local, except in regards to network activity, that should originate from the remote side, if you load up whatismyip.com on that iceweasel it should show the remote ip, not the local one, but in all other ways that matter, it should seem like a locally running copy. |
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| 19:38.59 | Dulak | sephii: I don't understand what you mean, if you are running iceweasel through forwarded X, iceweasel is installed on the remote end... |
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| 19:39.35 | sephii | Dulak: alright thanks for the clarification |
| 19:39.42 | sephii | Dulak: yes, iceweasel is installed on the remote end |
| 19:39.51 | sephii | Dulak: (but it's also on the local end) |
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| 19:40.37 | Dulak | sephii: yes, if it wasn't on the local end it would still use the local side for the storage of profiles, since that is based on the X environment, which when you forward is the local machine, not the remote one. |
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| 19:41.57 | sephii | Dulak: When I saw "X forwarding", I thought the X forwarding was done from remote to local, not the other way around :) but your explanation makes it clear |
| 19:42.29 | Dulak | sephii: yeah with X client/server are reversed from the way you expect, it confuses everybody at first I think |
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| 19:45.28 | sephii | Dulak: anyway thanks for the explanation |
| 19:45.28 | thewanderer1 | I'm trying to create an ext2 fs without large_file support. however, mkfs.ext2 -O ^large_file /dev/sda2 creates a FS with large_file *enabled*. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:46.16 | stephan48 | how can i put a ppp device(from ssh) into an bridge? |
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| 19:46.54 | Dulak | you mean like the command to run or how to make it automatic? |
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| 19:47.27 | stephan48 | Dulak: commands to run |
| 19:47.52 | Dulak | stephan48: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/set-up-the-bridge.html |
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| 19:47.58 | stephan48 | the whole thing i am trying is more or less a hack, so i am NOT determinated to make it somewhat automatic :) |
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| 19:49.05 | Dulak | stephan48: something like 'brctl addif bridgedevicehere pppdevicehere' |
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| 19:49.17 | iToast | :D! |
| 19:49.21 | Dulak | stephan48: there is a delif option too that works similarly |
| 19:49.23 | iToast | finally found debian's channel |
| 19:49.37 | iToast | I gotta reinstall debian on my server >_< |
| 19:49.38 | stephan48 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.39 | stephan48 | can't add ppp0 to bridge pppbr0: Invalid argumen |
| 19:49.46 | stephan48 | ooookey that starts good |
| 19:49.52 | iToast | what are the 32 libs |
| 19:49.53 | iToast | ? |
| 19:50.05 | Dulak | stephan48: you have to create the bridge device first, then add interfaces to it |
| 19:50.17 | iToast | "v" |
| 19:50.18 | stephan48 | yap i done so |
| 19:50.22 | iToast | "apt-get install 32-libs |
| 19:50.22 | iToast | apt-get update |
| 19:50.22 | iToast | apt-get upgrade' |
| 19:50.29 | iToast | What are the 32-libs O.o |
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| 19:50.34 | engla | iToast: I tihink it's ia32-libs |
| 19:50.37 | karsten | iToast: They're 32-bit compatible libraries. Generally installed on 64 bit architectures to support old, 32-bit, apps. |
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| 19:50.47 | iToast | karsten, Ah! |
| 19:50.49 | engla | 32-bit compat libs for 32-bit apps on amd64 |
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| 19:50.54 | iToast | k |
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| 19:50.59 | iToast | ima need thsoe for samp... |
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| 19:51.03 | karsten | iToast: Generally, for packaged stuff, they'll get installed if you need them, not if you don't. |
| 19:51.05 | stephan48 | Dulak: if the bridge doesnt exist the error looks different :) |
| 19:51.06 | iToast | my cpu is a amd... |
| 19:51.10 | karsten | iToast: Don't worry about them. |
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| 19:51.21 | iToast | sa-mp doesnt install them |
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| 19:51.25 | iToast | its just a packaged file... |
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| 19:51.37 | karsten | iToast: amd64 == 64 bit CPU. If you're running a 64 bit kernel, your default libs are 64 bit compatible. Hence the 32s if you need them. |
| 19:51.48 | iToast | karsten, i know XD! |
| 19:52.23 | iToast | Anyways, pure honesty here, i've never used / understood wget, can someone explain it in a nutshell |
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| 19:52.36 | thewanderer1 | iToast, wtf are you doing? |
| 19:52.42 | Dulak | iToast: if the package needs those 32bit libs but they didn't get installed when you install hte package, the package is not built with the correct dependencies. |
| 19:52.53 | iToast | Dulak, I said the package isnt installed |
| 19:53.03 | iToast | You don't insteall it, its just a 7z file |
| 19:53.13 | Dulak | iToast: then it's not a package |
| 19:53.20 | iToast | Dulak, i never said it was.. |
| 19:53.26 | Dulak | iToast: you said package, so I misunderstood |
| 19:53.34 | iToast | no >_< |
| 19:53.36 | hesco1 | jordanm: understood, thanks for that advice. I'm advising my client to rebuild this server from bare metal. |
| 19:53.46 | iToast | Anyways, can you explain wget in a nuttshell |
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| 19:53.55 | Dulak | iToast: man wget |
| 19:53.57 | hesco1 | I'm only trying now to stop the carnage long enough to harvest our data and configurations |
| 19:54.08 | iToast | Dulak, i screwed up my debian install |
| 19:54.23 | Dulak | iToast: google 'man wget' |
| 19:54.23 | iToast | I can't ssh in or do anything :/ im reinstalling it |
| 19:54.34 | iToast | Ty |
| 19:54.36 | karsten | iToast: ... the other option is you're installing third-party stuff. You'll have to manually resolve deps in that case, though some tools (notably apt-file) can help a lot. |
| 19:54.56 | karsten | iToast: wget --help |
| 19:55.05 | iToast | i dont have access to a linux terminal right now |
| 19:55.12 | iToast | my only linux machine is broken :P |
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| 19:55.32 | manganese | thewanderer1: I have no idea what you're doing wrong. It looks fine to me, but I get exactly the same results as you |
| 19:55.35 | iToast | Just a question, how does debain run on almost nothing;... |
| 19:56.34 | engla | the debian linux kernel + initrd is a pretty large package, around 100 MB. |
| 19:56.38 | engla | so it's more than nothing |
| 19:56.38 | iToast | Just so I'm not confused, wget is like a ftp client that requires no interaction one started, correctly? |
| 19:56.46 | thewanderer1 | manganese, on the other hand, it creates the fs without large_file if I specify the flags as "none"... and neither DuckDuckGo nor Google know anything :P |
| 19:56.52 | karsten | iToast: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi |
| 19:56.56 | karsten | iToast: Online manpages. |
| 19:57.13 | iToast | thats what i looked at |
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| 19:57.26 | manganese | thewanderer1: So it does. Blimey. You learn something new every day. |
| 19:57.31 | iToast | I wasent sure if i understood it correctly |
| 19:57.36 | Dulak | iToast: it's a web page/file grabber |
| 19:57.44 | karsten | iToast: Somewhat. wget is an internet file downloader supporting multiple protocols, including HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP. |
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| 19:57.46 | ghostlines | can I copy the the shadow password hash of a user from a linux system to freebsd to allow the user to not have to change their password? |
| 19:57.47 | iToast | That makes perfect sense |
| 19:57.55 | iToast | I've never used it... |
| 19:58.06 | iToast | i'd scp my files onto my linux machines |
| 19:58.09 | karsten | iToast: wget <url> |
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| 19:58.18 | iToast | karsten, you mocking me now :P |
| 19:58.22 | Dulak | ghostlines: I don't think the hash format is compatible |
| 19:58.27 | karsten | iToast: ... fetches some URL. If you want to output to a specific filename: wget -O filename <URL> |
| 19:59.00 | iToast | karsten, ty, it also sets permissions correctly, right? |
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| 19:59.10 | karsten | iToast: No, I have no fucking idea how informed or not you are, and I'm being pedantic. Really you can read the manpage or spin up a Linux instance (Knoppix, live/bootable disk, VirtualBox, etc.) pretty easily. |
| 19:59.15 | manganese | ghostlines: No idea. Check the BSD documentation for crypt and see if it understands the prefix magic for determining the hash and salt. |
| 19:59.29 | Dulak | ghostlines: you can always make a dummy user to test with a known password |
| 19:59.33 | iToast | ... |
| 19:59.36 | karsten | iToast: Um. No, it gets permissions from your environment and umask. |
| 19:59.49 | ghostlines | thanks guy's will test it out! |
| 19:59.57 | iToast | Ok, ima go reinstall using the netinstall image |
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| 20:00.09 | karsten | ghostlines: I'd have the user give you an ssh key and use that for login myself. |
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| 20:01.14 | Dulak | yeah I don't even have passwords enabled on my ssh anymore. You either go to the console, or you have a key for ssh login |
| 20:01.52 | seanjean718 | hi all, I'm having issues with getting gdm loaded properly at login. After I type in my login information, I only get a gray screen, and the desktop, icons, and menu bars don't load. I've check /var/logs/messages and /var/logs/X.org.log and I don't see anything that can explain this. Anyone has any ideas? |
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| 20:02.17 | jelly-home | seanjean718: does it also work that way with a fresh newly created user? |
| 20:02.22 | manganese | There are other uses for passwords (smtp-auth, imap auth, etc). Although there comes a point where you use kerberos so passwords can be managed in one place and don't need to be presented every five seconds. |
| 20:02.24 | karsten | Dulak: Neat hack I've seen is to use agent forward for sudo auth. It works great ... until your screen session gets detached and you lose your agent socket. |
| 20:02.36 | seanjean718 | jelly-home, that's a good point, I haven't tried |
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| 20:03.09 | seanjean718 | jelly-home, I did try 'startx' under my own account and I just get a black screen |
| 20:03.15 | karsten | seanjean718: your problem is your desktop environment isn't firing up properly. Try a different desktop or a "failsafe" session. Install twm and see if it fires up properly (very minimial desktop environment). |
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| 20:03.41 | seanjean718 | karsten, I tried the failsafe, but it starts up and I see icons, but I get no menu bars and all the menubars above the windows are missing |
| 20:03.44 | karsten | seanjean718: 'startx' will launch the specified X client, or ~/.xsession | ~/.xinitrc (if they exist). |
| 20:03.57 | Dulak | karsten: wonder if that's a bug or expected behavior, because that is a nifty idea |
| 20:04.07 | karsten | seanjean718: I don't recall what's in failsafe, but it sounds as if your GNOME desktop is in its natural state: fubared. |
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| 20:04.23 | seanjean718 | karsten, can you explain what fubared is ? |
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| 20:04.50 | seanjean718 | karsten, one of the users told me that he crashed the desktop by overfloowing the memory ... then he pressed the restart button on the machine ... and now its just like this |
| 20:04.56 | karsten | Dulak: Well, it's a matter of where ssh looks for the authentication socket. I suspect I could play with environment variables to get around it, but haven't been arsed yet. |
| 20:05.03 | karsten | seanjean718: fucked up beyond all recognition. |
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| 20:05.06 | karsten | !fubar |
| 20:05.07 | dpkg | i heard fubar is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer, or the failed unibus address register in some VAXen and PDP-11s. |
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| 20:05.13 | iToast | -Im a moron, i just used the ubuntu minimal installer instead of debain cuz they are both "mini" |
| 20:05.15 | seanjean718 | karsten, LOL, thanks .. but how do I unfubar it |
| 20:05.45 | karsten | seanjean718: I'm guessing his gconf database is in its natural state .... |
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| 20:05.56 | karsten | seanjean718: Install WindowMaker :) |
| 20:06.07 | karsten | seanjean718: ask #gnome. |
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| 20:06.12 | seanjean718 | karsten, what package is that? |
| 20:06.13 | seanjean718 | ok |
| 20:06.14 | seanjean718 | thanks |
| 20:06.29 | Dulak | seanjean718: all users have the problem or just one user? |
| 20:06.31 | karsten | seanjean718: WindowMaker == wmaker |
| 20:07.02 | Dulak | and wtf exactly is 'overflowed the memory'?? |
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| 20:07.22 | seanjean718 | Dulak, all users have the problem |
| 20:07.34 | karsten | seanjean718: If it's all users, you've got a system issue. If it's one user, their configs are hosed. GNOME is a tad bit complicated, but generally if you can find where the configs are and temporarily move them elsewhere (ranme files / directories) you can sort things out. |
| 20:07.34 | Dulak | seanjean718: then it's not a gconf issue |
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| 20:07.45 | karsten | Dulak: That's where you find a pool of it on the floor next to the computer. |
| 20:08.04 | karsten | seanjean718: Try booting the system single user and running diagnostics. |
| 20:08.25 | karsten | seanjean718: Smells like a hardware problem or package corruption at this point. |
| 20:08.33 | Dulak | seanjean718: is there a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf file on this machine? |
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| 20:09.02 | seanjean718 | Dulak, yes there is a 'custom' xorg.conf, if by that you mean we modified it for our system |
| 20:09.14 | seanjean718 | karsten, how do I boot as a single user? |
| 20:09.31 | Dulak | seanjean718: ok, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show anything interesting? |
| 20:09.44 | flami | Hi, so it seems that in wheezy there will be nomore openvz. I wanted to move To LXC a while agot but there seems to have been problems e.g. isolating /proc/ correctly so root in a container could reboot the entire box . Are those problems still present? |
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| 20:10.07 | Dulak | seanjean718: as root: telinit 1 but be on the console cuz it kills the network |
| 20:10.15 | seanjean718 | checking .. |
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| 20:10.24 | Dulak | seanjean718: no need to reboot, just switch to runlevel 1 with telinit |
| 20:10.33 | seanjean718 | Dulak, ok |
| 20:10.39 | seanjean718 | Dulak, let me see the vars first |
| 20:10.49 | seanjean718 | Dulak, I last read it and it didn't say much |
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| 20:11.17 | karsten | seanjean718: "single" option at GRUB boot prompt. |
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| 20:11.23 | karsten | seanjean718: You'll need the root password. |
| 20:11.40 | karsten | seanjean718: .... or what Dulak said. |
| 20:11.45 | Dulak | seanjean718: it's probably not an X problem, but like karsten said a bad package, maybe the reboot broke a file somewhere and one of the packages is hosed |
| 20:11.51 | karsten | Though I think you'll nstill need root's password. |
| 20:12.07 | Dulak | karsten: yes need root to run telinit |
| 20:12.13 | seanjean718 | Dulak, don't see it |
| 20:12.27 | seanjean718 | karsten, probably a bad package hmm ... you maybe right |
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| 20:12.50 | seanjean718 | karsten, is there a way to see what was the last apt-get install command ran or to check what the incomplete packages are? |
| 20:13.00 | karsten | seanjean718: Things to look at: check /var/log/messages and /var/log/kern.log for errors, especially disk, memory, or segfault. Check that the "mount" command output matches /proc/mounts (bad filesystems get remounted read-only, /etc/mtab won't get updated). |
| 20:13.17 | karsten | seanjean718: /var/log/aptitude if you're using aptitude instead of apt-get, as you should be. |
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| 20:13.27 | seanjean718 | karsten, Dulak I did a telinit 1 just now |
| 20:13.48 | karsten | seanjean718: 'dpkg --configure -a' or 'dpkg --configure --pending' will attempt configuring any partially configured packages. |
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| 20:14.36 | seanjean718 | karsten, Dulak I got in with telinit 1 |
| 20:14.48 | seanjean718 | karsten, Dulak what do I do now? I ran startx again on the console |
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| 20:14.57 | seanjean718 | karsten, Dulak nothing happen, black screen |
| 20:14.57 | fellipe | hi friends, I recently installed debian 6 but I cant open volume control in gnome, because I can't use microphone. Google it is being difficult, can someone help? |
| 20:15.02 | karsten | seanjean718: See above. |
| 20:15.09 | karsten | seanjean718: I gave you a set of things to look at. |
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| 20:15.33 | seanjean718 | karsten, thanks, I'll do those things |
| 20:15.35 | karsten | seanjean718: You can also look for /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the user's ~/.xsession-errors files |
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| 20:15.50 | fellipe | hi friends, I recently installed debian 6 but I cant open volume control in gnome, because I can't use microphone. Google it is being difficult, can someone help? |
| 20:16.05 | Dulak | seanjean718: you need debsums and a lot of patience, but you can have debsums check every file of every package and tell you what has changed, if any non-config file shows as changed you should reinstall the package |
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| 20:17.47 | rexer | <-- having issues booting after 1/28/2012 dist-upgrade. Black screen on Ati Radeon 6310 on HP DM1 netbook. Any helpful advice please. |
| 20:18.00 | seanjean718 | Dulak, the telinit 1 and startx froze the machine |
| 20:18.11 | seanjean718 | Dulak, and I can't get back to any of the tty*s |
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| 20:19.17 | rexer | all i can do now is boot into recoverymode... atleast i can get networking and ssh running... |
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| 20:22.21 | karsten | seanjean718: can you confirm that ctrl-alt-F1 did NOT return you to a virtual console (text console)? |
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| 20:22.51 | karsten | seanjean718: In that case, I suspect you've got an X-driver bug. When you reboot, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and tell us what your driver is. |
| 20:23.04 | karsten | seanjean718: nvidia, and some of the Intel drivers, frequently need updating. |
| 20:23.28 | fellipe | hi friends, I recently installed debian 6 but I cant open volume control in gnome, because I can't use microphone. Google it is being difficult, can someone help? |
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| 20:24.49 | DammitJim | I had mounted a cifs FS (NTFS) on my debian box (from a windows server) |
| 20:25.02 | DammitJim | then all of a sudden it gave me a permission denied |
| 20:25.09 | DammitJim | now I don't see the mount in df |
| 20:25.13 | DammitJim | nor can I remount it |
| 20:25.28 | DammitJim | what resource do I need to restart? |
| 20:25.35 | seanjean718 | karsten, where do I see the driver info in the log file? |
| 20:26.18 | seanjean718 | karsten, can confimr that after running telinit 1 on root, and startx, I could NOT get a virtual console with ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 20:27.37 | seanjean718 | karsten, I took a look at all of the above that you suggested and I don't see anything in the logs. I also did dpkg --configure -a and that had no output |
| 20:27.54 | seanjean718 | karsten, I took a look at /var/log/apt/history.log and the latest one was actually empty |
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| 20:28.47 | seanjean718 | karsten, the last thing that happen was apt-get install emacs on debian gnome |
| 20:28.58 | N3M35I5 | zykotick9: i'll take a look at that thnx |
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| 20:29.54 | thewanderer1 | how does one enable/disable a given keyboard LED under X.org? |
| 20:31.27 | thewanderer1 | setleds +caps </dev/tty7 works but it makes 2 kludgy assumptions: 1) I'm root 2) X is on tty7, and I want to avoid those |
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| 20:33.47 | seanjean718 | karsten, pretty sure my X.Org video driver is Nvidia ... |
| 20:33.55 | karsten | seanjean718: grep '^(II)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log should give you a sense of it. |
| 20:34.11 | karsten | seanjean718: If you've upgraded your kernel recently, that would do it. Might try an nvidia reinstall. |
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| 20:34.41 | seanjean718 | karsten, which package? just nvidia? |
| 20:34.59 | karsten | seanjean718: the "uprecords" package notes your booted kernel version. And I don't know, i try to avoid nvidia for reasons such as these. |
| 20:35.11 | karsten | seanjean718: Also gotta get busy. Ask channel. |
| 20:35.24 | seanjean718 | karsten, thanks a bunch |
| 20:35.27 | Dulak | seanjean718: sorry dude I should have said to switch to the console before you ran the telinit |
| 20:35.42 | seanjean718 | Dulak, I did switch to console :) |
| 20:35.55 | Dulak | seanjean718: and it blanked the screen? |
| 20:36.15 | seanjean718 | Dulak, it was black screen after I did startx once I ran telinit 1 |
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| 20:39.04 | Morgawr`mini | hello, I'm using debian testing and I noticed that I can install the kfreebsd kernel. I did "apt-get install kfreebsd<kernelversion>", however it doesn't show in the grub list at boot, how do I install it? |
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| 20:44.28 | seanjean718 | Dulak, anymore suggestions? maybe it is a package. I see that someone installed emacs |
| 20:44.42 | Erik8 | Why are .iso files on CDs smaller than on DVDs? I know that DVDs can hold more, but is the CD .iso missing something that the DVD .iso has? |
| 20:44.44 | seanjean718 | Dulak, I think it might have corrupted some config files...no ideas which though |
| 20:45.19 | dondelelcaro | Erik8: there are just more CDs than DVDs. |
| 20:45.27 | dondelelcaro | Erik8: so no. |
| 20:46.01 | Erik8 | dondelelcaro: So you might use several CDs instead of just one DVD? |
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| 20:47.06 | bfg | (nevermind i found out how to do what i wanted |
| 20:47.07 | Dulak | seanjean718: well the first place to look is in /lost+found see if any file fragments show up there, but really debsums and some time will show you most of the changed files on a system and you can start reinstalling things |
| 20:47.49 | Dulak | seanjean718: or you can skip the hours of trouble shooting and backup /home, then wipe it and reinstall |
| 20:48.00 | bfg | so i did the following: blasted my old home and swap partitions, resize my root partition, recreated swap and home. now i need to put fstab together. anything else i should do? |
| 20:48.36 | dondelelcaro | Erik8: if you wanted, sure; or you could just use the internet.. |
| 20:49.13 | seanjean718 | Dulak, I suspect its some package problems now ... =/ thanks ... I'll keep working at it. reinstalling is probably NOT a good idea as there are many users and I don' twant to be responsble for fubaring everything for all users |
| 20:49.32 | Dulak | seanjean718: that's why all user data is in /home. |
| 20:49.36 | seanjean718 | Dulak, nothing in lost+found |
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| 20:49.52 | Erik8 | dondelelcaro: What do you mean? Can the CD installer stand alone? When I asked if it had anything missing, it does, right? It just has less packages but can still function normally? |
| 20:50.05 | Dulak | seanjean718: literally you copy /home to another machine, wipe and reinstall then copy all user data back. |
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| 20:50.15 | rexer | <-- having issues booting after 1/28/2012 dist-upgrade. Black screen on Ati Radeon 6310 on HP DM1 netbook. Any helpful advice please. |
| 20:50.25 | seanjean718 | Dulak, no .. /home is part of /, there are no separate partitions |
| 20:50.29 | Dulak | seanjean718: I have done it hundreds of times on multi-user systems with hardly any issue |
| 20:50.33 | seanjean718 | ok |
| 20:50.43 | Kobaz | i want to upgrade some packages but i want to keep libperl5.10 otherwise lots of my stuff is going to break... what's a good way to do this? |
| 20:50.44 | seanjean718 | Dulak, I have several directories that have user data |
| 20:50.44 | Dulak | seanjean718: you can still copy it, it doesn't have to be a partition |
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| 20:51.31 | Dulak | seanjean718: this is exactly why you don't put user data dirs outside of /home |
| 20:51.56 | seanjean718 | dulak, well its too late now ... hmm what if I just tried to do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:52.32 | seanjean718 | Dulak, probably a bad idea and won't fix the current issue |
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| 20:53.17 | Kobaz | if i try and hold the package, apt will unhold it |
| 20:53.27 | Kobaz | it's really really annoying that apt keeps wanting to uninstall libperl5.10 |
| 20:53.54 | ghostlines | manganese, thanks for the tip I know know that FreeBSD uses md5 by default and Debian Wheezy sha512 with a salt, if I change the pam settings to mirror each other it should work |
| 20:54.36 | Dulak | seanjean718: you are in a bad spot, there is no easy fix, use debsums and reinstall packages that show modified non-config files, then if that doesn't fix it start working on packages related to X with config file changes. When you do debsums be sure to tee the output to a file as well as the screen so you can refer to it later |
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| 20:55.39 | seanjean718 | Dulak, thanks... I know I"m in a bad spot...story of my life. is it possible to fishy out packages that have modified config files instead of just non-config files? |
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| 20:56.05 | Dulak | seanjean718: you can run debsums with --config to only show config files |
| 20:56.14 | Dulak | seanjean718: that is a faster scan iirc |
| 20:56.25 | seanjean718 | Dulak, |
| 20:56.39 | seanjean718 | Dulak, so I just run debsums as root and redirect output to a file ? |
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| 20:56.47 | Erik8 | dondelelcaro: Is it just missing packages? |
| 20:57.28 | Dulak | seanjean718: pretty much, I would tee it myself instead of just redirect but whatever floats your boat, google for debsums, there are plenty of examples and docs |
| 20:58.58 | Dulak | seanjean718: if you end up having to reinstall, make sure you consolidate all user data under /home, cuz this should be an hour fix max next time if you do that |
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| 21:00.21 | seanjean718 | Dulak, ugh I just realized what else bad could have happened ... the sources.conf file was pointing to the current debian test rep .. so installing the new packages might have pulled in something that conflicted or broke the older packages (which are now stable) |
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| 21:01.01 | seanjean718 | Dulak, I think this might be a dist-upgrade option now to the new kernel and distribution of debian perhaps? |
| 21:01.22 | manganese | ghostlines: (AIUI) provided BSD crypt uses the same salt lengths and the same hash representation and prefixes as GNU crypt, the line in ./etc/shadow should just work without you worrying about PAM |
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| 21:02.41 | manganese | ghostlines: Although be aware that if your user changes passsword on one system, the change will not be reflected on the other. You may want to consider NIS, YP, Kerberos or some other system that allows passwords tobe shared, if having consistent passwords across systems is a requirement. |
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| 21:04.20 | Erik8 | Is the Intel64 architecture the same as AMD64 architecture? |
| 21:05.09 | seanjean718 | Dulak, running debsums --all now and see that its complaing about /etc/xdg/autostart/gnmoe-at-seesion.desktop |
| 21:05.29 | thewanderer1 | Erik8, nope... I don't think Intel64 even exists - it's Itanium 64 if anything :P |
| 21:05.32 | tremon | Erik8: no, ia64 is Intel Itanic |
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| 21:05.42 | manganese | Erik8: IA64 is not. x86_64 is. If you are asking about Itanium (or related device), the answer is no, otherwise it might be. |
| 21:06.43 | Erik8 | Thanks. |
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| 21:09.29 | JodaZ | how would i reset my networking settings to debian default ? i have a problem with packet loss thats fixed by booting a different system on the same machine |
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| 21:12.04 | phogg | JodaZ: depends on what "networking settings" you mean. Rewriting /etc/network/interfaces might be enough for some. |
| 21:12.46 | JodaZ | phogg, more like packet fine tuning |
| 21:13.04 | phogg | JodaZ: well, what have you changed? |
| 21:13.29 | JodaZ | i thought i changed nothing but aparently i did |
| 21:13.37 | phogg | if you haven't set up a script to re-configure things on boot then they reset on boot to the kernel default |
| 21:14.04 | phogg | JodaZ: anything pertinent in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
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| 21:14.48 | JodaZ | phogg, nothing at all |
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| 21:19.47 | dusf | i've just downloaded debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.img. how do i put it on usb exactly? can i just mount it and copy the files over or do i use unetbootin or something? |
| 21:19.47 | kazagistar | so I am trying to install missing firmware packages, but all the guides assume I memorized the 20 line message about which firmware was missing... how do I find out what is missing? |
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| 21:20.29 | kazagistar | dusf: are you on a linux system? cause if you are you can use dd and copy it straight over |
| 21:20.57 | dusf | kazagistar: on ubuntu unfortunately |
| 21:21.02 | dusf | kazagistar: what is 'dd'? |
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| 21:21.35 | kazagistar | dusf: it is a byte by byte low level data copy command |
| 21:21.45 | dusf | kazagistar: i can't just copy and paste? |
| 21:22.01 | dusf | through say... nautilus or thunar/ |
| 21:22.02 | dusf | ? |
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| 21:22.25 | kazagistar | not quite. The problem is that puts the file of the image inside the filesystem |
| 21:22.52 | nh2 | how do I build a selected package from a debian/control file? e.g. only okular from kdegraphics |
| 21:23.04 | dusf | kazagistar: i mean, i cannot just mount it and then copy and paste what's in mnt? |
| 21:23.38 | tremon | nh2: you only have the control file? That's not enough, you usually need debian/rules |
| 21:24.10 | nh2 | tremon: yes, I have them all - I got it via apt-get source |
| 21:24.15 | kazagistar | dusf: I dunno, that might work, but I dunno |
| 21:24.33 | tremon | nh2: then, it's dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:24.39 | kazagistar | dusf: you will want to do something like "sudo dd if=the_installer_image.img of=/dev/sdb" but be CAREFUL to select the device you want instead of /dev/sdb |
| 21:24.50 | dusf | ty |
| 21:24.54 | nh2 | tremon: my problem is that dpk-buildpackage builds _all_ the kde apps, which takes ages |
| 21:24.54 | kazagistar | and make sure it is unmounted |
| 21:25.02 | kazagistar | and it WILL delete EVERYTHING on the device |
| 21:25.19 | kazagistar | if you use the wrong device, it will overwrite your hard drive |
| 21:25.28 | JodaZ | how would i install the newest version of the e1000e driver ? people online are reporting problems with the one i currently have |
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| 21:25.40 | converge | is passive mode and promiscuous mode the same thing? |
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| 21:26.03 | z28 | converge: no |
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| 21:26.35 | nsadmin | promiscuous is something about IP networking, passive is something about ftp (two way wayyy different things) |
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| 21:27.00 | tremon | nh2: check debian/rules, maybe there is a way to build only one |
| 21:27.17 | Kobaz | you could be promiscuously passive-aggressive |
| 21:27.19 | tremon | then, use make -j debian/rules <target> to build the one you need |
| 21:27.33 | tremon | errr... make -f debian/rules that is |
| 21:30.21 | JodaZ | how do i remake my initrd ? |
| 21:30.42 | tremon | JodaZ: man update-initramfs |
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| 21:31.04 | ksuhku | Kobaz, let's |
| 21:31.34 | JodaZ | is there a deb source for up to date e1000e drivers ? |
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| 21:31.46 | nh2 | tremon: I don't really get it, rules is not a makefile |
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| 21:32.03 | nh2 | tremon: make -f debian/rules okular? |
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| 21:32.28 | dusf | ksuhku: "sudo dd ~/Downloads/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.img of=/dev/sdf"? not sure if i'm supposed to have if= in there somewhere or not? |
| 21:32.34 | Arrick | hey guys, if I dont know what arcitechture my blade system is (Its not under my direct control) what is the most common version of the iso downloads that is downloaded? (I want to run a console based web server) |
| 21:32.35 | tremon | nh2: could be, I'm not familiar with it (but yes, it is supposed to be a makefile) |
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| 21:32.52 | dusf | my bad, that was for someone else but they are gone |
| 21:33.02 | ksuhku | dusf, no worriet |
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| 21:34.58 | tremon | Arrick: the multi-arch netinst, I guess |
| 21:35.07 | Arrick | thanks |
| 21:35.10 | Morgawr`mini | can somebody please recommend me a very lightweight file manager (like metacity or thunar for example) that doesn't require several megabytes of dependencies? (I have very little drive space) |
| 21:35.25 | tremon | Morgawr`mini: mc |
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| 21:36.29 | Morgawr`mini | tremon: I'd love to have it on X/GUI.. I want it to be able to browse folders and open images or archives with double clicking |
| 21:36.33 | Morgawr`mini | like thunar does |
| 21:36.57 | mycae | Hello. I have a package that FTBFS on hurd-i386, and kfreebsd*. Is there a policy document that describes to what extent the less used arches are supported? |
| 21:37.53 | tremon | Morgawr`mini: I use thunar. Maybe check out lxde's file manager? |
| 21:38.17 | dusf | i have downloaded debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.img, can anyone tell me the best way to put it on usb and what format the flash drive should be? |
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| 21:38.25 | dondelelcaro | mycae: depends if the package ever built there, and on the release state of the architecture |
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| 21:38.38 | Morgawr`mini | the problem with thunar is that it takes a lot of space because I think it uses gnome (or something like that) dependencies... it's around 200ish MB of download |
| 21:38.56 | mycae | the package never built there. |
| 21:39.02 | mycae | its also very low popcon |
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| 21:46.08 | ksuhku | Morgawr`mini, see pcmanfm |
| 21:46.14 | rexer | how can i view boot up processes and figure out whats causing my screen to black out with keyboard not responding.? |
| 21:46.40 | arietis | can anyone tell me pls the name of the default ncurses package? |
| 21:46.54 | rexer | so far.. i can boot into recoverymode and start nic and ssh.. |
| 21:47.03 | arietis | it says i don't have it installed on my system |
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| 21:47.32 | arietis | missing libncurses.so or ncurses.h |
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| 21:48.38 | rexer | anybody ??? |
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| 21:49.10 | dondelelcaro | mycae: if it's never built there, then it's just a bug, and supporting it is best effort |
| 21:49.22 | mycae | ok |
| 21:49.23 | dondelelcaro | mycae: presumably the maintainer will accept patches if it's possible to build it there |
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| 21:49.26 | ksuhku | arietis, libncurses5 |
| 21:49.55 | dondelelcaro | mycae: also, it'd be ideal to get patches to help it build upstream. which package is this? |
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| 21:50.25 | mycae | well, the maintainer is me, so I have to either install and support it for the estimated 0.0383 people who would be using it. |
| 21:50.28 | mycae | I'm also upstream |
| 21:50.58 | arietis | ksuhku: thanks |
| 21:51.14 | mycae | tbh, I would "de-prioritise" the bug, as there are more pressing issues with the code base. Was just looking for the docs to see if I was doing a very bad thing (tm) |
| 21:51.53 | rexer | is there an rc.logger package so i see whats starting up wnat may have a problem? |
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| 21:53.27 | dondelelcaro | mycae: ah; yeah, that's pretty reasonable. It'd be ideal to have it fixed, but no one expects it to be a priority for leaf packages which have never built properly in release architectures |
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| 21:55.08 | rexer | <-- having issues booting after 1/28/2012 dist-upgrade. Black screen on Ati Radeon 6310 on HP DM1 netbook. Any helpful advice please. |
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| 21:59.34 | rexer | anyone |
| 22:00.59 | Kobaz | hmmmm |
| 22:01.23 | Kobaz | i think i need to make a package for perl5.10 |
| 22:01.37 | Kobaz | so that it can coexist peacefully with perl (which is 5.14) |
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| 22:02.05 | setner | hi everyone |
| 22:02.15 | rexer | nobody here wants to help? |
| 22:03.11 | jordanm | Kobaz: isn't there a perl 5 compatibility mode? is that not sufficient? |
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| 22:03.17 | setner | i'm installing debian testing and I get an error about missing hardware, in this case, brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw. I have this file on another usb stick, how can I mount it and copy this file to be used by the installer? |
| 22:03.22 | Kobaz | no, i need 5.10 specifically |
| 22:03.30 | jordanm | !usb firmware |
| 22:03.33 | Kobaz | and the packages just do not play well together |
| 22:03.36 | ksuhku | rexer, patience is a virtue |
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| 22:03.48 | rexer | ksuhku: 4 days now... |
| 22:03.55 | jordanm | !installer firmware |
| 22:03.55 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 22:04.01 | archetech | dist-upgrade fried your ati driver |
| 22:04.04 | Kobaz | what's the best way to rebuild a package |
| 22:04.10 | Kobaz | do i need apt-get source |
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| 22:04.14 | format_c | rexer: i think helping is not the issue. Maybe nobody here having a clue for your specific problem. |
| 22:04.15 | wald0 | is there a channel for git methods of debian building/maintaining/collaborating ? |
| 22:04.19 | jordanm | !tell Kobaz about package recompile |
| 22:04.19 | Kobaz | or can i extract and change the .deb |
| 22:04.29 | Kobaz | i don't need to rebuild the package from source |
| 22:04.34 | Kobaz | just change the package metadata really |
| 22:04.37 | jordanm | yes, you do |
| 22:04.48 | rexer | ok.. so what do i need to post here to let people have a clue? |
| 22:04.57 | Kobaz | all the files are in separate enough directories |
| 22:05.04 | setner | jordanm: thank you |
| 22:05.18 | Kobaz | perl5.14 stuff is in /usr/lib/perl/5.14.2 |
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| 22:05.52 | Kobaz | and perl 5.10 stuff is in /usr/lib/perl/5.10.1 ...etc |
| 22:05.56 | format_c | rexer: keep on asking. Maybe one time someone comes in able giving a tip. |
| 22:06.04 | rexer | <-- having issues booting after 1/28/2012 dist-upgrade. Black screen on Ati Radeon 6310 on HP DM1 netbook. Any helpful advice please. |
| 22:06.11 | Kobaz | the separations are already done, it's just the package dependencies don't like each other |
| 22:06.22 | Kobaz | and, certain files i wouldn't include, i just need the libs really |
| 22:06.36 | Kobaz | so is there like a .deb editor? |
| 22:07.04 | wald0 | rexer: add the boot parameter vga=normal , not sure if really exists but should disable framebuffer in the boot |
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| 22:07.19 | Kobaz | like a metadata editor |
| 22:07.20 | wald0 | Kobaz: define editor |
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| 22:07.36 | wald0 | Kobaz: try with "mc", but im not sure if just opens it |
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| 22:08.50 | rexer | wald0: same thing.. black screen after stuff flys by |
| 22:08.55 | Kobaz | like use alien to convert it to something, and then convert it back |
| 22:09.44 | wald0 | rexer: so is there a way to know to which step it boots? |
| 22:09.57 | wald0 | rexer: if you can ssh remotely you can do some things on it like a new upgrade |
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| 22:10.03 | wald0 | rexer: try a different kernel |
| 22:10.08 | dusf | can anyone confirm that this command is correct to load a live deb image to usb flash? |
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| 22:10.11 | dusf | sudo dd if=~/Downloads/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.img of=/dev/sdf1 |
| 22:10.15 | Kobaz | mmm |
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| 22:10.19 | Kobaz | dpkg -x extracts the file |
| 22:10.19 | dpkg | i don't know, Kobaz |
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| 22:10.39 | rexer | wald0: booted in recovery mode.. got nic up and ssh running.. |
| 22:10.42 | wald0 | dusf: i think that it needs to be do on the entire disk, not a partition (which includes boot sector) |
| 22:10.59 | wald0 | rexer: so try to install a different kernel, for example |
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| 22:11.16 | Kobaz | oh here we do |
| 22:11.21 | wald0 | Kobaz: what you need to do, exactly ? |
| 22:11.25 | Kobaz | dpkg --control dumps the metadata |
| 22:11.25 | dpkg | Kobaz: wish i knew |
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| 22:11.44 | Kobaz | wald0: change some dependencies and files to make perl-base 5.10 coexist with perl-base 5.14 |
| 22:11.44 | dusf | wald0: i think sdf1 is the entire disk |
| 22:12.04 | Kobaz | so that i can have libperl5.10 installed along with libperl5.14 |
| 22:12.10 | Kobaz | there's no reason i can't have both |
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| 22:12.16 | Kobaz | other than the maintainers decided not to support it |
| 22:12.21 | wald0 | Kobaz: use dpkg to extract the data AND the control and then dpkg-build for repack it |
| 22:12.25 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 22:12.31 | rexer | wald0: what kernel is stabler than 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 22:12.33 | Kobaz | wald0: that's the answer i was looking for |
| 22:12.37 | dusf | wald0: /dev/sdf1 1 1204 1920955+ 83 Linux |
| 22:12.45 | dusf | that's all that comes up for sdf with fdisk -l |
| 22:13.00 | dusf | wald0: also, is it okay it's formatted to ext4? |
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| 22:13.21 | silentpj | hi, anyone having trouble with last postgresql update in squeeze? |
| 22:13.31 | wald0 | rexer: kernels in debian should be stable in general, maybe is not stable for specific cases (like yours), this is why i say to use a different one, maybe try with the 486 version or just a different number if you have more than 3gb ram |
| 22:13.58 | wald0 | dusf: data will be removed, it will be reformated as a ISO filesystem like |
| 22:14.19 | rexer | wald0: 8gigs ram installed.. |
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| 22:14.29 | LordTrev | Okay, attempting to install -any- package yields the error 'E: Package '[package name]' has no installation candidate |
| 22:14.33 | LordTrev | And apt-get update is failing to fetch certain things, that other computers on the same repo are not |
| 22:14.36 | LordTrev | I'm at a loss here, and my system is currently basically broken |
| 22:14.54 | wald0 | rexer: well, try a different kernel then, check in /var/cache/apt/archives to see if you can reinstall a previous version |
| 22:15.08 | dusf | wald0: 2355200+0 records in; 2355200+0 records out; 1205862400 bytes (1.2 GB) copied, 202.487 s, 6.0 MB/s |
| 22:15.22 | dusf | will i try it, or start again replacing sdf1 with sdf? |
| 22:15.31 | wald0 | LordTrev: hardware problems ? do you have connection to internet on it ? |
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| 22:16.07 | rexer | waldo: in dir has linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-39squeeze1_amd64.deb and linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-41_amd64.deb |
| 22:16.17 | wald0 | dusf: if you dont replace sdf1 to sdf it will not boot, but remember that all the data of the disk will be erased, you need to reformat it again for have it again like a normal usb memory |
| 22:16.24 | Kobaz | wald0: is dpkg-build the actual program? |
| 22:16.28 | Kobaz | or is it dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:16.58 | wald0 | rexer: try to install manually the previous one, but warning with the dependencies, run later apt-get -f install |
| 22:17.05 | dusf | wald0: that's okay, it's only a <2gb flash drive and will be temporary until i choose a gui for deb |
| 22:17.09 | dusf | ty |
| 22:17.15 | wald0 | Kobaz: the second one |
| 22:17.33 | Kobaz | k |
| 22:17.46 | LordTrev | It's not a hardware error, it gets most of the packages, but apt seems to be broken in general |
| 22:17.47 | Kobaz | is there a way i can get it to not process the changelog? i don't see any options for it |
| 22:18.23 | wald0 | LordTrev: if you really dont have a hardware error its strange that it doesnt works correctly, what can have caused that state ? |
| 22:19.13 | LordTrev | Well, I'm on wheezy for one thing |
| 22:19.23 | rexer | wald0: i did a 'apt-get -f install ./linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-39squeeze1_amd64.deb' and got screens full of E: Release 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-39squeeze1_amd64.deb' for 'zope' was not found |
| 22:19.51 | LordTrev | Okay, changing my sources worked even though those sources are working on my server |
| 22:19.57 | LordTrev | will ponder this later |
| 22:20.01 | hyppias | if one wants to run Deb 6 in another runlevel, where would one set that ? |
| 22:20.05 | wald0 | Kobaz: sorry, i was confused of command, i think that is this one with this parameter: "dpkg-deb -b" |
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| 22:20.35 | wald0 | LordTrev: which sources has not worked previously ? cdn ? |
| 22:20.41 | Kobaz | yeah i found dpkg -b |
| 22:20.46 | Kobaz | that's more what i need |
| 22:20.49 | LordTrev | ftp.utexas.edu |
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| 22:20.51 | Kobaz | wow this is really easy |
| 22:20.56 | Kobaz | i should build packages more often |
| 22:21.02 | LordTrev | It's less then 50 miles from me which is why I was using it |
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| 22:21.28 | wald0 | Kobaz: the more correct way is to download the package and modify it with apt-get source |
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| 22:22.09 | n0yd | anyone seen enouf around? aka xeon-enouf. i have some info for him... |
| 22:22.13 | Kobaz | wald0: i don't want to rebuild perl, the binary is exactly the way i want it |
| 22:22.38 | Kobaz | i'm going to have the same end result, so why bother |
| 22:22.57 | Kobaz | spending a few hours compiling would be a waste to build with the exact same options |
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| 22:24.11 | dondelelcaro | Kobaz: what exatly are you trying to do? |
| 22:24.30 | Kobaz | make version 5.10 of perl-base coexist with version 5.14 of perl-base |
| 22:24.32 | Kobaz | with some changes |
| 22:25.02 | dondelelcaro | Kobaz: uh... you can't. |
| 22:25.06 | wald0 | Kobaz: right, dpkg-deb -b is a nice hack for your need, maybe you want to mark the package to not upgrade automatically in the future |
| 22:25.12 | dondelelcaro | Kobaz: recompile the packages that depend on libperl5.10 |
| 22:25.22 | Kobaz | wald0: that doesn't help |
| 22:25.33 | Kobaz | the hold on the package just gets removed by apt |
| 22:25.45 | wald0 | Kobaz: i mean, when you have your result done |
| 22:25.48 | wald0 | and installed |
| 22:26.12 | Kobaz | well the package i'll have will be my own and wont get upgraded since it wont exist in the repos |
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| 22:26.59 | wald0 | Kobaz: if has the same packagename, is possible that automatically upgrades, but this is a dangerous conflicting trick |
| 22:27.23 | Kobaz | it's not the same package name |
| 22:27.28 | Kobaz | i'm making perl-base-5.10 |
| 22:27.28 | dondelelcaro | Kobaz: perl-base is what actually contains the perl libraries; you can only have one of them installed |
| 22:27.41 | Kobaz | dondelelcaro: they are in their own directories |
| 22:27.50 | Kobaz | /usr/share/perl5.10 vs /usr/share/perl5.14 |
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| 22:27.56 | Kobaz | this will work, i just need to monkey the packages |
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| 22:29.05 | Kobaz | ii perl-base 5.14.2-6 minimal Perl system |
| 22:29.05 | Kobaz | ii perl-base-5.10 5.10.1-11 minimal Perl system |
| 22:29.05 | rhenani | Hello guys, just got this issue while updating: http://paste.debian.net/154550/ |
| 22:29.08 | Kobaz | yay.... step one |
| 22:29.27 | wald0 | Kobaz: this version doesnt exist in debian sid/experimental ? |
| 22:29.37 | Kobaz | which version of what? |
| 22:29.48 | rhenani | I hope someone can help me |
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| 22:30.09 | fredl | hey guys. anybody know why tcpdump on squeeze does not show vlan tags? |
| 22:30.12 | wald0 | rhenani: vmware package failing ? this is a package from debian ? |
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| 22:30.30 | Kobaz | You have searched for packages that names contain perl-base-5.10 in suite(s) stable, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results |
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| 22:30.42 | wald0 | Kobaz: i dont exactly know what are your goal, but looks like you are installing a different (updated) version of perl |
| 22:30.48 | streuner | wald0: wmware is in Debian? lol |
| 22:31.01 | Kobaz | wald0: perl5.14 is the new one |
| 22:31.04 | Kobaz | i don't want the new one |
| 22:31.25 | wald0 | streuner: from the time i remember, there's not open source |
| 22:31.26 | Kobaz | but the rest of the packages do... so be it... and i want to install slapd which wants libperl5.14 |
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| 22:32.01 | wald0 | Kobaz: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libperl5.14 |
| 22:32.09 | Kobaz | libperl5.14 can peacefully coexist with libperl5.10 BUT you can't install libperl5.10 because it depends on perl-base (version 5.10) which conflicts with perl-base (5.14) |
| 22:32.33 | dondelelcaro | Kobaz: it doesn't conflict; it's the same package, but different versions |
| 22:32.34 | ansgar | Kobaz: Then don't install slapd from testing/unstable on a stable system... |
| 22:32.40 | Kobaz | so i need *both* perl-base (versions 5.10 and 5.14) and libperl5.10 and libperl5.14 |
| 22:33.07 | wald0 | rhenani: if wheezy, try a kernel 3.1 maybe ? |
| 22:33.10 | Kobaz | the system is using repos unstable, but hasn't been updated in a while |
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| 22:33.40 | rhenani | wald0: I'm using squeeze |
| 22:33.42 | Kobaz | and i've been putting off recompiling my 200 perl modules for perl 5.14 |
| 22:33.44 | fredl | uhm. |
| 22:34.03 | fredl | instead of complaining about somebody asking about a package that's not in debian.... |
| 22:34.08 | streuner | rhenani: and wmware... |
| 22:34.12 | fredl | wanna help me with a package that is? :) |
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| 22:34.24 | NishaKitty | can anyone help my konsole is acting really weird it seems the space bar makes it act odd .-- |
| 22:34.25 | fredl | just... ya know, sayin' :P |
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| 22:34.37 | rhenani | streuner: vmware-work-station 8.1 compiled |
| 22:34.38 | wald0 | Kobaz: what about installing manually your own perl in /opt ? |
| 22:34.52 | NishaKitty | the cursor moves ahead but the text is displayed behind it when I press space -.- |
| 22:35.14 | wald0 | Kobaz: since you need both versions, you should have a separated version of perl only for this purpose |
| 22:35.17 | Kobaz | wald0: i will do that when i switch everything to 5.14 so i don |
| 22:35.24 | Kobaz | t have to do this again |
| 22:35.47 | Kobaz | this package shenanagins is a stopgap, i have a perl 5.14 switchover planned for next month |
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| 22:37.09 | wald0 | Kobaz: wait a month and dont lose your time now ? :) |
| 22:38.11 | Kobaz | i'm recovering from the flu |
| 22:38.31 | rhenani | wald0: what do you recomend? |
| 22:38.33 | Kobaz | so, i think i can screw this part much less than migrating boatloads of stuff |
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| 22:38.47 | wald0 | rhenani: remove vmware ? :) |
| 22:38.53 | fredl | how can I show vlan tags with tcpdump in squeeze??? |
| 22:39.37 | rhenani | wald0: what?? isn't there any other way? |
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| 22:40.10 | wald0 | rhenani: well, seems like to be the cause of your problem, remove it temporally and try to reinstlal it later, or use virtualbox that is blazing fast too |
| 22:40.33 | streuner | rhenani: why not just install Debian? |
| 22:40.45 | streuner | rhenani: *without wmware* |
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| 22:44.05 | fredl | okay, let me try to rephrase my question. I have a squeeze KVM host. It has eth1.19 and a br19 that uses eth1.19 as bridge port. KVM guests connect eth1 to br19. When guests transmit something on eth1, will br19 actually add a vlan tag? (as the guest obviously won't) |
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| 22:44.57 | archetech | #networking |
| 22:45.50 | fredl | yes, or #kvm, or #libvirt... *sigh* |
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| 22:47.21 | streuner | keep in mind, most of us use Debian and not vmware or kvm or whatever |
| 22:47.36 | streuner | we have no idea about problems about that |
| 22:48.08 | fredl | you're right, sorry. |
| 22:48.56 | fredl | that's why I asked about tcpdump first, but oh well. |
| 22:49.03 | civillian | fredl: did you setup eth1.19 using vconfig? |
| 22:49.17 | fredl | yes |
| 22:49.27 | fredl | well, ifup does that for me |
| 22:49.29 | civillian | that's the bit that adds the tag, not the bridge interface |
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| 22:50.01 | civillian | the kernel will add a tag on packets for that interface before it goes on eth1 wire |
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| 22:50.17 | fredl | hmm, strange. |
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| 22:50.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | anyone here good with postfix? |
| 22:50.44 | fredl | I seem to have no problem with eth1.19 <-> eth1.19 on the KVM host level |
| 22:51.11 | fredl | well actually br19 <-> br19 but anyway... |
| 22:51.21 | civillian | fredl: best be specific :) |
| 22:51.45 | civillian | fredl: do you have a switch that knows about vlans? |
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| 22:52.10 | fredl | civillian - yup, got Hybrid ports configured in multiple static vlans. |
| 22:52.35 | streuner | TehRabbitt-Work: #postfix 233 The Postfix MTA || See !debug and provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and "postconf -n" output before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?postfix |
| 22:52.53 | civillian | fredl: can you run something like show mac-address vlan 19? that will show you if you've got hosts in vlan 19 talking to the switch.. |
| 22:53.07 | fredl | civillian, what makes things a tad more complicated is that I cant seem to get tcpdump to show me the vlan tags. |
| 22:53.36 | streuner | TehRabbitt-Work: 233 users in #postfix who are only thinking about problems in postfix, they should know more... |
| 22:53.51 | arietis | i have installed libncurses5 but script is still asking for ncurses.h or libncurses.so |
| 22:54.01 | fredl | civillian, I can certainly try but have to dig through my switch manual first then :) |
| 22:54.02 | arietis | may be i need some other package? |
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| 22:54.27 | streuner | arietis: -dev |
| 22:54.34 | arietis | streuner: thanks |
| 22:54.59 | civillian | fredl: which interface are you testing with tcpdump? |
| 22:55.05 | abrotman | !tell arietis about apt-file |
| 22:55.17 | fredl | civillian, tried both eth1.19 and br19 |
| 22:55.26 | civillian | fredl: only eth1 will have the dot1q tags |
| 22:56.08 | fredl | that's what I thought yes, I tried tcpdump -ne -i eth1.19 |
| 22:56.25 | civillian | fredl: no, use tcpdump -ne -i eth1 |
| 22:56.41 | fredl | hmm oh... |
| 22:56.45 | civillian | if eth1.19 had tags, client applications would be presented with the tag |
| 22:56.49 | civillian | if you think about it... |
| 22:56.57 | civillian | which isn't what you want |
| 22:57.04 | fredl | aha, that makes sense in a strange #networking kinda way :P |
| 22:57.44 | fredl | hmm not seeing any packets that way |
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| 22:59.00 | fredl | oh wait, I see a lot of packets but dont seem to see any vlan tags in there, too much other traffic hrrmm |
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| 22:59.47 | cardamon | Anyone know how to figure out what an application is using for its sound? |
| 23:00.12 | fredl | aha now I see them civillian |
| 23:00.17 | amphi | fuser or lsof |
| 23:00.22 | fredl | ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100) |
| 23:00.26 | streuner | cardamon: ALSA or OSS4? |
| 23:00.35 | fredl | vlan 19 |
| 23:01.11 | streuner | cardamon: there arent any options, you use ALSA or OSS4... |
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| 23:01.40 | cardamon | streuner: I'm running ALSA. I got mpd to use dmix, and flash and anything else that uses gstreamer looks for alsasink now, so they're all playing nice, but this one old game won't share the soundcard |
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| 23:01.49 | amphi | with alsa, some things may use oss-emulation, which can block the snd device |
| 23:02.07 | amphi | at least that happened here, until I blacklisted the modules |
| 23:02.21 | fredl | civillian, so when I do 'tcpdump -ne -i eth1 host <second KVM host>' I see a bunch of vlan tagged traffic going back and forth and that works fine. |
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| 23:03.05 | fredl | civillian, but doing 'tcpdump -ne -i eth1 host <KVM guest on second KVM host>' I see traffic being *sent* but nothing comes back |
| 23:04.28 | streuner | cardamon: dmix is for using different apps. to use sound at the same time... |
| 23:04.35 | fredl | civillian, I see tagged ARPs coming in on eth1 on KVM host 2's eth1 iface |
| 23:04.53 | streuner | cardamon: so its not important about your problem |
| 23:04.56 | fredl | just... no replies from the guest. |
| 23:05.05 | cardamon | streuner: You're misunderstanding. |
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| 23:05.12 | cardamon | That's exactly the problem. |
| 23:05.33 | streuner | cardamon: hm, the problem is that the old game isnt supported? |
| 23:05.40 | cardamon | Audio works find individually, and almost all others mix together fine under dmix. |
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| 23:06.37 | cardamon | But it's not releasing the device to dmix. Ex: while running the old game, I test aplay and play a sound. |
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| 23:07.08 | cardamon | Which gives me the ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 23:07.11 | cardamon | aplay: main:666: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 23:07.58 | civillian | fredl: I've seen that before, it's an oddity that I never worked out |
| 23:08.18 | fredl | civillian, I think I see the problem here... |
| 23:08.37 | fredl | I try pinging from host 2 -> guest 2 |
| 23:08.47 | fredl | and that doesn't even seem to work! |
| 23:08.55 | fredl | bizarre.... |
| 23:09.00 | cardamon | I found a post from a few years back hinting that it might be trying to use OSS. |
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| 23:10.09 | zykotick9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.11 | fredl | this is just the strangest thing.... |
| 23:10.19 | fredl | scratches his jaw |
| 23:10.59 | streuner | cardamon: how old is this game, btw? |
| 23:11.18 | cardamon | The original Neverwinter Nights. |
| 23:11.48 | streuner | cardamon: and its still supported? |
| 23:11.50 | civillian | fredl: unless host2 is in vlan 19, that won't work |
| 23:12.01 | civillian | assuming guest2 is in vlan 19 |
| 23:12.13 | fredl | civillian, hrmmm ehm... the MAC address of the guest I'm trying to ping does not show in brctl showmacs br19 |
| 23:13.32 | cardamon | streuner: By Bioware? no. They had forums up until a year back when they got hacked and they just shut the thing down and never bothered to bring it up again, the master server that reports all the running servers and checks cdkeys and bans is gone, and about the only thing left is the gamespy interface that lets us actually find each other on servers. |
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| 23:13.49 | fredl | good lord help me, the interface isn't up on the guest, duh f'ing duh |
| 23:13.51 | cardamon | I have something to try. |
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| 23:15.05 | fredl | civillian, this looks like a bit of a bug to me though, I'm trying to up the eth1 interface on the guest through DHCP and I still dont see its MAC on the bridge. |
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| 23:17.45 | fredl | civillian, looks like libvirt has somehow made a wrong kvm cmd line, it has this argument in it: |
| 23:17.50 | fredl | -device virtio-net-pci,vlan=2,id=net2,mac=52:54:00:99:84:2d,bus=pci.0,addr=0x7 |
| 23:18.08 | fredl | that :2d is the mac of the iface that's supposed to be in vlan 19 |
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| 23:18.34 | em | Hey Gary are you here? |
| 23:19.42 | fredl | civillian, GRRR, rebooted the guest, now it's in the proper VLAN |
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| 23:20.36 | fredl | civillian, and now I can ping guest <-> guest :) thanks for you help! |
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| 23:26.38 | fredl | ayt, heartbeat and haproxy now also behave nicely again... |
| 23:29.33 | civillian | fredl: nice one :) |
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| 23:30.31 | fredl | it seems to be a bit of a problem as I need to reboot multiple guests on host 2 with the same problem |
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| 23:32.26 | hyppias | got the live version and want to find out where the boot procedure is located..? |
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| 23:33.07 | somiaj | hyppias: what do you mean by boot procedure? |
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| 23:33.31 | somiaj | hyppias: live.debian.net does contain manuals, though they are more for building a live system as opposed to using one. |
| 23:33.36 | hyppias | well... how does it boot .. the very first steps.. I get this colored menu... where is it? |
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| 23:34.00 | somiaj | hyppias: does it have various options like 'Live', 'Installer Text Mode'? |
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| 23:34.23 | hyppias | yes |
| 23:34.36 | somiaj | hyppias: so you have put your cd/usb into the machine and booted up off of it. I would choose either 'Live' or 'Live 686' for modern hardware |
| 23:34.40 | somiaj | hyppias: hit enter |
| 23:36.01 | hyppias | yes i tboots ok, but where are the scripts? |
| 23:36.18 | hyppias | not in /boot |
| 23:36.56 | hyppias | there seems to be no grub either |
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| 23:38.20 | somiaj | hyppias: on the usbdrive, a live image builds a virtual harddisk in ram and runs the os from there. |
| 23:38.58 | somiaj | hyppias: and if I recall it isn't like a normal system, things are set up so they are stored as packages/compressed to save size |
| 23:39.13 | somiaj | but I've never invegisted teh inner workings of the actual image |
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| 23:39.47 | accrob | . |
| 23:39.52 | hyppias | OMG |
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| 23:41.05 | hyppias | so that's why, when I install apache and MySQL and then reboot, the packages are gone.. |
| 23:41.06 | somiaj | yea actually the debian system is just stored as packages and the live system boots and extracts those packages into the virtual image |
| 23:41.08 | accrob | hello everybody, i'm trying to join arch channel and i've got refuse to voice, any ideas |
| 23:41.28 | hyppias | f.ck |
| 23:41.35 | somiaj | hyppias: correct, there are ways to make persenent live images, but in a case like that you might just be able to install the acutal system on the usb drive |
| 23:43.22 | somiaj | hyppias: http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2009/10/msg00026.html |
| 23:43.54 | accrob | help please, same network, diferent channel and cannot send problem |
| 23:44.04 | somiaj | accrob: /j #freenode |
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| 23:45.03 | accrob | i was trying, same shit coming |
| 23:46.10 | themill | accrob: you want #archlinux not #arch in any case |
| 23:46.11 | somiaj | either way, not really an issue for #debian. Nor could we help with another channel. |
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| 23:47.33 | accrob | themill > I joined archlinux normally but cant write on channel |
| 23:48.33 | accrob | thats why i'm asking here :) |
| 23:49.00 | themill | accrob: you should ask #freenode. You need to be registered -- /msg nickserv help register |
| 23:49.58 | accrob | thx, register, years done, thx again |
| 23:50.59 | themill | accrob: your nick is not registered and you are not identified to services. |
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| 23:52.55 | cardamon | Oh sweet. |
| 23:52.56 | cardamon | I got it. |
| 23:54.16 | cardamon | streuner: You know what it was? There's a script somewhere that runs this app that sends it to a local lib for SDL, rather than the system's |
| 23:54.23 | accrob | thats the problem, i'm just looking now for syntax to register, few years since my last time using irc, or smoething, sorry for my language :) |
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| 23:59.11 | accrob | thx guys, registered :) |
