| 00:00.19 | readme | :| I bought a regular ethernet cable. |
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| 00:00.38 | readme | This could still be done if I configured routing, right |
| 00:00.39 | thewanderer1 | well, if the computers are modern enough they can cross it automagically |
| 00:00.46 | readme | no kidding ehn |
| 00:00.57 | readme | well, it didn't work |
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| 00:01.03 | thewanderer1 | routing won't fix layer 2 problems :P |
| 00:01.08 | readme | when I bridged wlan0 to eth0 and tried to dhclient br0 I lsot my connection |
| 00:01.10 | thewanderer1 | layer 1, even |
| 00:01.40 | readme | huh, but if I plug into a linksys or something I don't need a crossover cable. |
| 00:01.49 | readme | isn't there a way to get that behavior on this computer? |
| 00:01.51 | thewanderer1 | that's because they cross it automatically |
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| 00:01.56 | readme | Oh |
| 00:02.02 | readme | This is a fairly new dvd player |
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| 00:02.05 | readme | I wonder if it does that |
| 00:02.26 | readme | in any event, bridging is out because I can't get my connection to come back up |
| 00:02.35 | amoffat_ | hi, is there any trick to including an auxiliary folder inside the DEBIAN folder, to house utility scripts for postinst to use? |
| 00:02.36 | thewanderer1 | DHCP works just fine on bridges |
| 00:02.47 | readme | as you said, i think it might be the wireless driver |
| 00:03.01 | readme | the driver I'm using uses ndiswrapper and only works on 32 bit so I think it's probably on the wonky side |
| 00:03.21 | thewanderer1 | uhh, I wouldn't count on ndiswrapper to do anything sensible in this case :/ |
| 00:03.38 | readme | hm, I guess I'll try with the eeepc again |
| 00:03.39 | readme | :D |
| 00:05.19 | amoffat_ | is anyone familiar with creating debian packages? i need to include a utility script alongside my preinst/postinst/etc, but when dpkg unpacks the .deb, it doesn't unpack that utility script. any ideas? |
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| 00:06.30 | cbmuser | I need to recompile a Debian stock kernel with just one additional option enabled |
| 00:06.47 | cbmuser | when I edit debian/config to enable the option, it's not honored during build |
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| 00:06.51 | cbmuser | what am I missing? |
| 00:07.00 | Moebius | babilen, hey man |
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| 00:07.09 | Moebius | thanks for suggesting free radeon drivers |
| 00:07.23 | Moebius | i've restored my system and used only those... i think i got rid of all my probs! |
| 00:07.29 | thewanderer1 | amoffat_, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 00:07.35 | babilen | cbmuser: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 00:07.41 | Moebius | now i really don't understand why proprietary drivers exist.... nobody needs them. |
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| 00:07.45 | amoffat_ | thewanderer1, thanks |
| 00:08.13 | babilen | Moebius: Ah, glad to hear that. :) -- Upon my return I feared that you did not manage to get back into your system. |
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| 00:08.54 | babilen | Moebius: The flickering is gone? Did you install the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri for hw 3d acceleration? |
| 00:08.55 | Moebius | babilen, well, i couldn't really restore THAT OS... but i got an image of it which was made quite recently, so it didn't matter. |
| 00:09.00 | Moebius | babilen, yeah, i think it's gone! |
| 00:09.06 | babilen | splendid |
| 00:09.17 | Moebius | babilen, yep, libgll-mesa-dri was installed automatically. Actually i got all those from backports. |
| 00:09.29 | Moebius | babilen, they seem to be really good. |
| 00:09.41 | babilen | Good call - Well, enjoy flicker free movies then :) |
| 00:10.09 | Moebius | babilen, hahah, thanks. And also... LCD monitor didn't matter! I checked it on my old CRT one - same thing, it's just less noticeable due to smaller screen size |
| 00:10.17 | Moebius | babilen, that's why i probably never noticed it before |
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| 00:10.36 | Moebius | babilen, now no flickering whatsoever... brightness/contrast work as well! |
| 00:10.38 | LinuxApprentice | what can i install so i can view/manipulate .so files? |
| 00:10.40 | Moebius | thanks :) |
| 00:10.57 | readme | thewanderer1: ended up working out with the ip_forward routing solution but was no dice on bridge |
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| 00:11.05 | readme | thanks for the help (netflix time) |
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| 00:12.07 | thewanderer1 | LinuxApprentice, what would you need that for? O.o |
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| 00:12.50 | cbmuser | babilen: slight problem, the option doesn't show in menuconfig |
| 00:12.55 | cbmuser | even though it's there |
| 00:12.59 | cbmuser | CONFIG_LOCK_KERNEL |
| 00:13.15 | LinuxApprentice | thewanderer1: i want to look at the code of a certain .so file |
| 00:13.21 | TheCox | thewanderer1: so it turns out i'm running 32 bit binaries even though my kernel is 64 bit. not sure how that happened, but at least i know what's wrong now |
| 00:13.23 | cbmuser | I don't want to jump through all questions with 'config' |
| 00:13.35 | LinuxApprentice | thewanderer1: wait, .so is a compiled file? so i would need the source? |
| 00:13.43 | nkuttler | cbmuser: / and search for it |
| 00:13.46 | thewanderer1 | LinuxApprentice, it's compiled, you can't look at its code - unless you want Assembler? :P |
| 00:14.03 | babilen | cbmuser: Which kernel is that? |
| 00:14.03 | Moebius | babilen, still, that was a good lesson, before installing a whole buncha xorgs and xservers i deleted xorg.conf and everything related to fglrx. This time it worked at once :) So yeah, thanks a lot. |
| 00:14.16 | babilen | Moebius: You are welcome |
| 00:14.17 | cbmuser | babilen: 2.6.38 from bpo |
| 00:14.25 | LinuxApprentice | thewanderer1: assembler? |
| 00:14.26 | babilen | .39 surely?! |
| 00:14.31 | cbmuser | what I need: a 2.6.38 where blcr compiles |
| 00:14.43 | babilen | cbmuser: Ah, disregard that -- bdo has .38 as well. |
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| 00:14.48 | thewanderer1 | LinuxApprentice, yeah well, close to machine code. you should get the source in a more readable language like C... |
| 00:14.49 | cbmuser | yes |
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| 00:14.55 | cbmuser | it's just because of blcr |
| 00:15.05 | cbmuser | they don't support anything newer than 2.6.38 |
| 00:15.15 | cbmuser | and the 2.6.38 has CONFIG_LOCK_KERNEL disabled |
| 00:15.16 | LinuxApprentice | thewanderer1: ahhh |
| 00:15.25 | cbmuser | thus, even blcr 0.8.4 fails to build |
| 00:15.28 | babilen | ,versions blcr-dkms |
| 00:15.30 | judd | Package: blcr-dkms on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.2-15; wheezy: 0.8.2-15; sid: 0.8.4-1 |
| 00:15.41 | babilen | cbmuser: Are you perhaps looking for ^^^ |
| 00:16.15 | cbmuser | I don't think so |
| 00:16.30 | cbmuser | anything newer than 2.6.38 isn't supported by blcr upstream |
| 00:16.58 | cbmuser | the blcr in Debian works with the Squeeze stock kernel only |
| 00:18.16 | jelly-home | the package from sid says: * blcr-dkms still lacks support for 2.6.39/3.x kernels, but is useful to: |
| 00:18.16 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.16 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.43 | LinuxApprentice | where can i download the source for 'audacious-plugins' ? |
| 00:18.49 | Moebius | gotta tell you somethin... .38 seems to be a bit better than .39. Personally i had some audio issue with the latter. When recording and talking on skype sound is kinda scratchy, with annoying background noise. I dunno why it'd be related to kernel... but that's my experience. |
| 00:18.57 | babilen | There is also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638339 |
| 00:19.16 | cbmuser | Moebius: funny that you mentioned that! |
| 00:19.24 | Moebius | cbmuser, why? |
| 00:19.28 | Moebius | cbmuser, you had the same? |
| 00:19.39 | cbmuser | I have had some Professor whose voice turned into Mickey Mouse with Skype on 2.6.39 |
| 00:19.45 | cbmuser | reverting to 2.6.38 fixed it |
| 00:19.47 | Moebius | hmm.... |
| 00:19.47 | cbmuser | not kidding |
| 00:19.51 | cbmuser | it was hilarious |
| 00:19.51 | Moebius | i believe ya. |
| 00:20.00 | cbmuser | first call always went fine |
| 00:20.10 | cbmuser | second call, he was Mickey Mouse |
| 00:20.13 | Moebius | well, i didn't get no Mickey Mouse voice nor Donald Duck's... but people heard me sound scratchy... some static shit.. |
| 00:20.16 | jelly-home | cbmuser: sometimes usb-audio (microphone on a webcam) can do that |
| 00:20.25 | Moebius | there's definitely some audio bug in kernel .39 |
| 00:20.26 | cbmuser | jelly-home: exavtly, USB-Webcam |
| 00:20.36 | Moebius | or some incompatibility with older ALSA |
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| 00:22.39 | cbmuser | jelly-home: coming back to blcr, I don't know how it should compile with anything beyond 2.6.38 |
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| 00:23.06 | cbmuser | it depends on the big kernel lock which does not exist anymore from 2.6.39 onwards |
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| 00:24.19 | jelly-home | cbmuser: it won't, just saying you might fetch it from debian and use the dkms system to build the module if you prefer |
| 00:24.45 | cbmuser | there is no way to compile the module with DKMS |
| 00:24.51 | cbmuser | it simply fails |
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| 00:55.29 | aindilis | are you supposed to have a trailing return or not after crontab entries, I forget, but I think it matters |
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| 00:57.28 | TheLifelessOne | How can I install Mozilla-branded Firefox? |
| 00:58.00 | dondelelcaro | aindilis: it's ok to have them, but it shouldn't matter. |
| 00:58.21 | eevo | TheLifelessOne: what for? |
| 00:58.31 | TheLifelessOne | eevo: what d'you mean? |
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| 00:58.46 | forgotten | TheLifelessOne: you can't apt-get firefox, its called iceweasel |
| 00:58.52 | TheLifelessOne | Yes, I know. |
| 00:58.56 | eevo | for what reason would you need to install a mozilla-branded version? |
| 00:59.05 | TheLifelessOne | I'm just weird like that, |
| 00:59.21 | forgotten | you have to download from mozilla |
| 00:59.26 | forgotten | then just run the binary |
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| 00:59.28 | forgotten | from its location |
| 01:00.05 | forgotten | like in fluxbox i do: |
| 01:00.06 | forgotten | [exec] (firefox) {/home/forgotten/firefox/firefox}<> |
| 01:00.22 | TheLifelessOne | Ok. |
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| 01:00.44 | TheLifelessOne | Why is it even rebranded as Iceweasel? |
| 01:01.53 | jelly-home | !why iceweasel |
| 01:01.53 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 01:02.09 | TheLifelessOne | I see. |
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| 01:13.00 | jasonsmr | hello debian |
| 01:13.41 | jasonsmr | Question how can I install a debian x86_64 system using a i386 live cd? |
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| 01:16.12 | gnarface | jasonsmr: uh... is that a trick question? |
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| 01:16.39 | gnarface | jasonsmr: short answer: no |
| 01:16.40 | trist4n | lol. interesting |
| 01:16.41 | trist4n | maybe! |
| 01:16.59 | trist4n | by livecding then download a new cd from the livecd |
| 01:17.01 | somiaj | jasonsmr: There should be an install option, on the lxde version it was right on the desktop |
| 01:17.08 | gnarface | jasonsmr: long answer: yes, just boot from the live cd then continue with the installation process as normal (by going to debian.org and downloading the *right* iso this time) |
| 01:17.37 | somiaj | jasonsmr: oh sorry, yea missed your instructions. I guess you could use debootstrap on the livecd to do it, but this way dosen't have a guided installer. |
| 01:17.57 | trist4n | its going to be pretty rubbish either way. |
| 01:18.03 | trist4n | you dont have aanother cd to burnt eh right iso? |
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| 01:31.05 | nze | i'm in the process of reinstalling my home-server; i'll use a software raid1. is there a reason /not/ to put everything onto lvm? |
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| 01:32.28 | karlpinc | nze: I like lvm, but: 1) another level of complexity -> 2) It's a lot harder to trace errors back to a physical block on the hd. |
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| 01:34.03 | nze | karlpinc: but basically everything should *just work*? even putting /boot on there? |
| 01:34.55 | karlpinc | nze: I think grub2 does lvm, but I tend to make a separate /boot that's not lvm. |
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| 01:38.33 | nze | alright.. any other thoughts? I'll go and toy with my vm then |
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| 01:41.30 | karlpinc | nze: Have backups. A single lvm pv disappearing will trash all the vgs that use it. That's one reason why it's nice to have lvm on top of raid. |
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| 01:45.07 | p01s0nb1t | I can't download Debian N.N enterprise from megaupload, why ? |
| 01:45.28 | p01s0nb1t | just readed the news |
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| 01:46.25 | nze | karlpinc: well I was wondering about risks coming with lvm. IIUC tying /home on the raid together with the additional 1.5TB disk would eliminate the benefits of the raid (for that partition)? |
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| 01:47.28 | p01s0nb1t | different RAID different benefits.... which raid ? 0 Vs lvm? 1 Vs lvm ? 5? 10? |
| 01:47.46 | nsadmin | p01s0nb1t, lots of places to download debian |
| 01:48.10 | Moebius | p01s0nb1t, if i were you i'd just get it from official mirrors |
| 01:48.28 | jasonsmr | I want to somehow use a usb harddrive and install ** the netinstall weezy x86_64 image into that hard drive then choot into it and run the install from there, unless its easyer than that? |
| 01:48.28 | nsadmin | if you have real, -hardware- raid, it can make sense to put lvm on top of it |
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| 01:48.35 | p01s0nb1t | was just joking/trolling... no worry about Debian downloads |
| 01:48.36 | jasonsmr | being that the knoppix live cd that I am using is i386 not the desired x86_64 that I want though I dont know what effect that has? |
| 01:48.41 | Moebius | p01s0nb1t, dunno about N.N enterprise though. First time hear that name. |
| 01:48.47 | p01s0nb1t | :) |
| 01:49.58 | nsadmin | if it's not actually debian, some here will complain about the traffic related to it being off topic |
| 01:50.08 | nsadmin | I'm not complaining, just saying |
| 01:50.21 | p01s0nb1t | jasonsmr: why are you using knoppix live? you may use debian-live to work with Debian chroots |
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| 01:50.43 | p01s0nb1t | or even debian-installer |
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| 01:51.34 | nsadmin | good point... so you're looking to build a chroot actually? or? |
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| 01:51.58 | nsadmin | with a chroot you'd have to mount some things manually to properly continue |
| 01:52.15 | aLeTz | hi |
| 01:52.17 | p01s0nb1t | usually i386 can't chroot to a 64bit /target/bin/bash |
| 01:52.33 | nsadmin | ohh, good point |
| 01:52.34 | nze | p01s0nb1t: nsadmin: well i have fake raid on my mainboard, but i think i'll go with software raid |
| 01:52.38 | aLeTz | how i can get znc version 0.202 in squeeze, |
| 01:52.43 | trist4n | installing it |
| 01:52.45 | nze | raid1, that is |
| 01:52.59 | p01s0nb1t | raid1 is hard to compare to lvm |
| 01:53.04 | p01s0nb1t | raid0 maybe |
| 01:53.12 | nze | i'm not comparing anything |
| 01:53.23 | jasonsmr | chroot build? I guess so, |
| 01:53.45 | jasonsmr | I would rather chroot yes its faster, and I cant really use qemu can I? IDK |
| 01:53.48 | nsadmin | well, ok... so what do you really want to do? :) |
| 01:54.07 | jasonsmr | it should be possable to use qemu the x86_64 install? |
| 01:54.22 | jasonsmr | I want to install a x86?64 into a new hard drive |
| 01:54.25 | nsadmin | you want to have both running? |
| 01:54.33 | jasonsmr | I have an aux drive attached to usb |
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| 01:54.42 | nsadmin | aha, want to try a plain install? |
| 01:54.42 | jasonsmr | im booted into a knoppix live cd |
| 01:54.48 | aLeTz | how i can get znc version 0.202 in squeeze, |
| 01:54.57 | trist4n | get the tarball and install it |
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| 01:55.01 | trist4n | znc has instructions on their wiki |
| 01:55.05 | jasonsmr | plain install? |
| 01:55.24 | jasonsmr | I think I can not boot from usb |
| 01:55.26 | aLeTz | trist4n i wanna install from apt-get but only install a old version |
| 01:55.28 | p01s0nb1t | aLeTz: if it's not in repos... option a) backport from testing, sid, unstable option b) use the source, luke |
| 01:55.39 | nsadmin | it sounds like you have an end purpose and I'm not sure you've stated it yet |
| 01:55.42 | trist4n | i guess. |
| 01:55.48 | trist4n | its easier to do it from source imo. |
| 01:56.04 | p01s0nb1t | aLeTz: ah, old version... maybe search in archive.debian.org... or again use the source, luke |
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| 01:56.35 | nsadmin | , versions znc |
| 01:56.36 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.202-2; wheezy: 0.202-2 |
| 01:56.40 | nze | i have 3 disks, two the same size which will be used to hold /boot, and a lvm for /, /var, /usr and probably /home. the third disk is larger, but putting /home across the raid1 and the other disk defies the point of protecting user data from disk failure. |
| 01:56.53 | nsadmin | you can backport from wheezy or sid |
| 01:57.23 | p01s0nb1t | the /boot doesn't need to be separated since squeeze |
| 01:58.02 | nsadmin | but, you still can |
| 01:58.39 | nsadmin | what';s on your main internal hd? |
| 01:59.12 | p01s0nb1t | personal opinion... maybe system in the "different" disk, and data in raid 1 in the equal size disks (?) |
| 01:59.59 | p01s0nb1t | system is easy to reconstruct (preseed + late_coomand powa!) big data is not easy if there is not redundancy or backups |
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| 02:02.08 | nze | i don't think there's a reason not to put the system on the raid, it'll hardly take up more than 2% |
| 02:02.32 | nsadmin | p01s0nb1t, I think he does want to protect the data |
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| 02:03.16 | pjwaffle | Hi |
| 02:03.18 | p01s0nb1t | well, then maybe raid1 for everything, and use the "different" disk as /backup and use power management to preserve its life (?) |
| 02:03.26 | pjwaffle | How do I set my display resolution on FluxBox + GDM3? |
| 02:03.28 | p01s0nb1t | just guessing about remote needs |
| 02:03.32 | pjwaffle | Just installed Debian Squeeze |
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| 02:03.42 | pjwaffle | (With XChat :P) |
| 02:03.48 | jasonsmr | better question would debbootstrap work even if the currently booted system is a i386? |
| 02:03.54 | pjwaffle | I'd like to make it 1600x900 |
| 02:04.06 | jasonsmr | plowdie |
| 02:04.18 | p01s0nb1t | pjwaffle: is that supported in the output of xrandr -q ? |
| 02:04.22 | nsadmin | does the monitor and card support that res? |
| 02:04.26 | pjwaffle | p01s0nb1t, Let me check |
| 02:04.43 | pjwaffle | Nope... But I have nouveau installed!!! |
| 02:04.47 | pjwaffle | Why isn't it working? |
| 02:04.58 | pjwaffle | (I have a Nvidia GTX 460M) |
| 02:05.12 | p01s0nb1t | if not, research hardware specs as someone I don't want to blink said |
| 02:05.16 | pjwaffle | (And after this, I'd like to inquire about NTFS support (haven't tested it yet)) |
| 02:05.22 | nze | p01s0nb1t, nsadmin: I want to keep user data such as mails save, and a system crash would be a PITA (i run (offsite-) backups once per day, still). |
| 02:05.30 | p01s0nb1t | maybe the monitor that does not support what the card supports |
| 02:05.38 | pjwaffle | p01s0nb1t, No, it does |
| 02:05.46 | pjwaffle | p01s0nb1t, On windows 7 and fedora it did >_> |
| 02:05.50 | pjwaffle | (And fedora used nouveau too) |
| 02:06.06 | p01s0nb1t | if you're sure, you can add modes using xorg.conf.d or xrandr |
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| 02:06.11 | pjwaffle | OK, thanks |
| 02:06.26 | nze | i was just looking for some experiences with lvm, especially for / and /boot, and on the safety of lvm in general |
| 02:07.09 | p01s0nb1t | nze: I've some laptops running all / in lvm since squeeze, until now no problems... I don't know how dist-upgrade to wheezy will work :) |
| 02:07.10 | nsadmin | well I can't comment much on safety, however... I have been running lvm for years, but always -ever- on one single hd |
| 02:07.56 | p01s0nb1t | lvm over mdadm used here too and not problems... I only remember mdadm issues upgrading from lenny |
| 02:08.08 | nsadmin | for me, I'd only ever run lvm on multiple disks if they were in a good, solid, real, hardware raid |
| 02:08.10 | pjwaffle | p01s0nb1t, How? It said it couldn't get the gamma? |
| 02:08.51 | pjwaffle | Furthermore, I believe the problem may be with the support for the graphics card, not xrandr |
| 02:08.57 | pjwaffle | I'll try getting the nvidia drivers |
| 02:08.59 | p01s0nb1t | pjwaffle: well adding modes in xrandr is a bit of dark science for me, I just needed it one time and used copy/paste form the censored internet |
| 02:09.10 | nsadmin | it's not a comment on relative safety, and I do notice lotsa moving parts |
| 02:09.26 | infinity_ | lol gotta love btrfs. shutdown using 100% CPU. |
| 02:09.27 | infinity_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.29 | nze | from what i understood, even just a single hd crash blows all the volume groups that make use of that device. lvm on each single disk doesn't seem to have drawbacks though |
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| 02:10.06 | Moebius | question on Firestarter |
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| 02:10.14 | pjwaffle | Haha, censored? |
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| 02:10.47 | Moebius | when the system boots up i get a message that firestarter failed to run.. whereas it actually works on the background when system is loaded. What's up with that? |
| 02:10.55 | p01s0nb1t | it is all about money and govs |
| 02:11.01 | nsadmin | nze, I wasn't aware of that specifically... but it is what I meant by moving parts :) |
| 02:11.02 | Moebius | how do i properly set it up? |
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| 02:11.40 | nsadmin | first find out why it failed |
| 02:11.44 | p01s0nb1t | Moebius: do you have more details about the error message ? maybe some dependency is not ready at boot time |
| 02:12.11 | Moebius | p01s0nb1t, erm... where do i look up bootup logs? |
| 02:12.21 | nsadmin | p01s0nb1t, yeah, that's what I'm thinking too |
| 02:12.27 | nsadmin | dmesg for one |
| 02:12.29 | p01s0nb1t | dmesg from kernel, enable bootlogd for userspace |
| 02:12.49 | p01s0nb1t | in /etc/default/bootlogd (No => Yes) |
| 02:12.55 | Moebius | alright. |
| 02:13.45 | p01s0nb1t | after the Yes, boot userspace messages goes to /var/log/bootlogd |
| 02:13.47 | Moebius | ok, done. |
| 02:14.00 | Moebius | hm... |
| 02:14.04 | Moebius | ok |
| 02:14.08 | Moebius | so i have to restart now anyway? |
| 02:14.10 | nsadmin | having heard all this, I would think that the deps would be calculated already |
| 02:14.12 | Moebius | for logs to be generated? |
| 02:14.14 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 02:14.21 | Moebius | alright... in a minute |
| 02:14.29 | p01s0nb1t | is complex your fw setup ? |
| 02:14.52 | pjwaffle | NVidia won't work now |
| 02:14.59 | pjwaffle | As in, nvidia-glx won't install |
| 02:15.05 | pjwaffle | It gives some phony dependency suggestion or something |
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| 02:15.39 | pjwaffle | Ah, nvidia-kernel-common is missing |
| 02:16.09 | Moebius | p01s0nb1t, huh? |
| 02:16.26 | pjwaffle | OK it's in contrib |
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| 02:16.57 | p01s0nb1t | Moebius: I mean... does it depend in any vpn interface, or ppp or something that meybe run from init ? |
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| 02:17.05 | innociv | Can someone look at this before I mess something up? Here is my current pam.d/common-password http://pastebin.com/nJf2ZELk The way this site says to change it makes me fearful that it'll be messed up http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/mysqluser.html (down at the common-password part) |
| 02:17.17 | pjwaffle | Nope, still not working |
| 02:17.30 | pjwaffle | wait, forgot apt update |
| 02:17.46 | innociv | Should I really removed "password [success=1 default=ignore] pam_unix.so obscure sha512" and replace it with "password sufficient pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=5 max=12 md5"? |
| 02:18.01 | pjwaffle | There we go! |
| 02:18.29 | Moebius | p01s0nb1t, sorry, i dunno what you mean |
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| 02:19.37 | p01s0nb1t | Moebius: iptables rules should not fail to load... maybe it's some sanity check about interfaces, ips, etc that the firestarter does before loading the fw rules |
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| 02:20.02 | Moebius | p01s0nb1t, hm... perhaps. I can tell you only one thing, i'm using a router. |
| 02:20.16 | lv_ | howdy. anyone aware of a fix for this bug in the netinst image? http://osdir.com/ml/debian-boot/2011-05/msg00213.html |
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| 02:20.31 | lv_ | hangs at 'partman-lvm; |
| 02:20.34 | innociv | "And edit /etc/libpam-mysql.conf to your liking. The default assumes no |
| 02:20.34 | innociv | password for root to use mysql and simply uses the mysql accounts. |
| 02:20.34 | innociv | " What? That makes it sound like it disables standard linux accounts and just uses mysql ones. |
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| 02:20.59 | pjwaffle | OK, so nvidia-glx isn't loading my graphics card |
| 02:21.04 | pjwaffle | What now? |
| 02:21.19 | p01s0nb1t | nouveau |
| 02:21.30 | gnarface | innociv: yea that's pretty much what it sounds like to me too |
| 02:21.36 | pjwaffle | Yeah, it COMES with nouveau |
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| 02:21.40 | nsadmin | maybe mysql took one of millions of steps toward wisdom and gives you a way to not run any part of mysql as root |
| 02:21.42 | innociv | That is scary. I'm so scared. |
| 02:22.01 | gnarface | innociv: you think that's scared you should see ldap |
| 02:22.07 | gnarface | innociv: at least mysql has sufficient documentation |
| 02:22.17 | gnarface | s/scared/scary |
| 02:22.24 | innociv | Well this is mysql used for pam auth. |
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| 02:22.29 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:22.39 | lenswipe | how do i install the unico theme engine for GTK3 on my machine? |
| 02:22.50 | gnarface | innociv: yea you can use ldap for that too. you can use lots of stuff for it presumably |
| 02:22.56 | innociv | Yeah |
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| 02:23.08 | nsadmin | find its package name, use aptitude to install it |
| 02:23.18 | lv_ | hi, anyone dealt with this 'partman-lvm' hang on instal ? |
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| 02:23.22 | lv_ | thinkpad x220 |
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| 02:23.44 | pjwaffle | Thanks p01s0nb1t it worked! |
| 02:23.50 | pjwaffle | I used nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:23.59 | pjwaffle | Perfect resolution :) |
| 02:24.05 | pjwaffle | Now for sound... What's the general steps for that? |
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| 02:24.11 | p01s0nb1t | I did nothing, I'm inocent |
| 02:24.14 | nsadmin | lv_, describe your situation |
| 02:24.14 | pjwaffle | lol |
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| 02:24.31 | nsadmin | first get a sound card :) |
| 02:24.43 | pjwaffle | Derp, I have one |
| 02:24.45 | pjwaffle | It's a laptop |
| 02:24.49 | lenswipe | how do i install the unico theme engine for GTK3 on my machine? |
| 02:25.01 | pjwaffle | I'm also pleased to know that wireless works, supposedly |
| 02:25.05 | nsadmin | ok, so you have taken a general step towards sound :) |
| 02:25.07 | pjwaffle | (according to ifconfig) |
| 02:25.09 | nsadmin | ok, let's see |
| 02:25.11 | pjwaffle | lol |
| 02:25.23 | ymas | for some reason, today, when I was trying to install a package, I get the following from apt: http://pastebin.com/U8wtvmaT |
| 02:25.25 | nsadmin | exists /proc/asound? |
| 02:25.38 | ymas | surely some of those packages should not be auto-removed |
| 02:25.38 | pjwaffle | Yep |
| 02:25.41 | pjwaffle | nsadmin, Yep |
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| 02:25.49 | nsadmin | look at /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:25.50 | innociv | Oh |
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| 02:25.56 | innociv | pam_unix.so is the standard unix one |
| 02:26.03 | pjwaffle | HDA INTEL PCH |
| 02:26.18 | nsadmin | maybe you're already good |
| 02:26.23 | pjwaffle | Hmm |
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| 02:26.29 | pjwaffle | How can I configure volumes and such? |
| 02:26.36 | nsadmin | try alsamixer |
| 02:27.01 | lv_ | nsadmin: first thing i did was toggle my sata bios settings from ahci to compatability. i've been running fedora16 on this machine with no issues since purchase. i miss the deb world and wanted to come back. there is no cdrom in this system, so i create a bootable usb.. done it with dd and unetbootin... everythign boots fine but about 5 steps into the install process, it gets to scanning disks and hangs at 50% .. the possible 'bug' is de |
| 02:27.28 | jasonsmr | anyone want to talk about why debian is so great |
| 02:27.41 | lv_ | nsadmin: togged the sata settings just to rule it out.. i look at tty4 , and it just says partman-lvm: no volume groups found.... and acts as if it's waiting for input |
| 02:27.46 | pjwaffle | Sure - it supports a minimal installation, if used properly. |
| 02:27.58 | p01s0nb1t | lv_: can you erase partition table(s) ? or do you need to preserve other O.S.s ? |
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| 02:28.28 | lv_ | p01s0nb1t: i've already wiped the partition tables, and did a ddd if=/dev/urandom to the disk |
| 02:28.29 | nsadmin | debian is so great cause it's so big |
| 02:28.31 | lenswipe | how do i install the unico theme engine for GTK3 on my machine? |
| 02:28.33 | nsadmin | lotta packages |
| 02:28.34 | jasonsmr | I need a pick me up on Linux , Im installing it on my main server, and I want, looking like need some pointers or pep |
| 02:28.39 | jasonsmr | its big allright |
| 02:28.54 | jasonsmr | thats one, it has so many repos to choose from. |
| 02:28.57 | pjwaffle | Jasonn, Debian is small - if you use the net install and stick with core packages |
| 02:29.09 | lenswipe | anyone kno? |
| 02:29.11 | lenswipe | know* |
| 02:29.12 | pjwaffle | My full install uses 1.8GB |
| 02:29.22 | pjwaffle | And ~137MB of RAM |
| 02:29.32 | pjwaffle | (With FluxBox) |
| 02:29.33 | nsadmin | lenswipe, find which package it's in, install that package |
| 02:29.38 | ymas | jasonsmr, what is the purpose of your server? |
| 02:29.40 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i cant find it |
| 02:29.40 | jasonsmr | allright debian is also small, I have and am using it in a mips router! |
| 02:29.45 | lv_ | i'm going to try todays sid netinst build... maybe they've addressed this issue |
| 02:29.57 | jasonsmr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.00 | jasonsmr | good |
| 02:30.01 | nsadmin | then you're still in the first step :) |
| 02:30.04 | lenswipe | nsadmin, if i could find it i wouldnt have to come in here and behave like an annoying cockwaffle ;p |
| 02:30.58 | jasonsmr | the server Im using this time is for xen and for business , so that clients and users in my company can use their favorate applications safly with out a slowdown from other users |
| 02:31.11 | pjwaffle | How do I edit my clock format on FluxBox to 12 hours? |
| 02:31.33 | jasonsmr | also its safe, and its also easyer to keep track of whos using what hardware |
| 02:31.46 | jasonsmr | xen or kvm |
| 02:31.48 | pjwaffle | Yep |
| 02:32.52 | ymas | jasonsmr, how are you planning on deploying xen/kvm, build from source or using apt? |
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| 02:33.35 | p01s0nb1t | too many issues... I'm going to my offline-ultra-stable-non-versionitis-network bye have a nice life |
| 02:33.45 | nsadmin | lv_, just to make sure I understand... you're presently installing? and, on a disk that has pvs and vgs already? |
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| 02:34.14 | lv_ | nsadmin: did.. had the error then.... so then i wiped it, and tried again with the same result |
| 02:34.34 | innociv | Kind of wishing I didn't have to do this. It's confusing. :\ I'm trying to make sftp accounts for a shared hosting type thing. Each account needs its own user, chrooted, for apache to run under for each users directory. It doesn't look like pam_mysql is going to create the users dir and such |
| 02:35.26 | ymas | innociv, I've used scponly (with chrooted accounts) with good results |
| 02:35.28 | lv_ | innociv: if you have shared hosting why don't you just do it through the cpanel or whatever? |
| 02:35.50 | innociv | I have a dedicated server. I'm making shared hosting on it... |
| 02:35.55 | lv_ | ah, understood |
| 02:35.58 | innociv | I wouldn't be talking about pam on shared hosting. |
| 02:36.08 | lenswipe | pjwaffle, you might want to try #fluxbox? |
| 02:36.09 | nsadmin | innociv, in your user table you could add a flag which is true if user's dir set up... |
| 02:36.29 | lv_ | innociv: sorry i had a flashback of my admin work at a webhost ahahah.. |
| 02:36.32 | innociv | And make them manually? Sigh. |
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| 02:36.37 | nsadmin | then write a script that takes all rows where that flag is false and sets up their dir |
| 02:36.57 | pjwaffle | OK lenswipe |
| 02:36.58 | pjwaffle | Thanks |
| 02:37.04 | innociv | But I don't really trust myself in writing something that has those sort of permissions, nsadmin. |
| 02:37.08 | nsadmin | oh, and when each dir is set up, you should set the flag |
| 02:37.21 | innociv | Like I COULD do it in php if I gave php permission to add users, chmod, etc. |
| 02:37.43 | jasonsmr | I hope to use apt, however in order to get the necessary features that I want I will use a src build |
| 02:37.57 | nsadmin | ok, here's a different (but still scripting) way: |
| 02:38.11 | innociv | What is the difference between scp and sftp? I'm looking at a page and it mentions sftp. |
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| 02:38.18 | jasonsmr | I may need some newer patches not yet in the kernel-kvm or kernel-qemu-km |
| 02:38.46 | nsadmin | same setup, but the script instead of actually doing the work, writes a perl or shell or python script that actually does the dir creation and set up |
| 02:38.58 | innociv | And with scponly, I still need the user accounts and dirs... |
| 02:39.16 | ymas | jasonsmr, in that case, can I suggest building a custom *nix system |
| 02:39.18 | innociv | I haven't used perl/shell/python. |
| 02:39.50 | jasonsmr | ymas, Quote : "in that case, can I suggest building a custom *nix system" what do you imply here? |
| 02:40.01 | ymas | LFS |
| 02:40.03 | jasonsmr | well I can say that I was using suse |
| 02:40.06 | jasonsmr | oh |
| 02:40.13 | jasonsmr | LFS |
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| 02:40.22 | jasonsmr | havent tried that |
| 02:40.23 | ymas | Linux From Scratch |
| 02:40.39 | nsadmin | I had a cat named Scratchy |
| 02:40.55 | ymas | Virtualization is not as simple as you think |
| 02:40.56 | nsadmin | named for her functionality |
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| 02:41.29 | valdyn | lfs certainly does not make it easier |
| 02:41.39 | ectospasm | no it doesn't |
| 02:41.42 | jasonsmr | I have followed many of the recommendations in there, before working with debian based system Ubuntu last year |
| 02:41.47 | lv_ | nsadmin: yeah this is hanging in wheezy at the partman-crypto mod |
| 02:41.54 | nsadmin | it makes it to where you have to learn everything about it |
| 02:41.55 | jasonsmr | I familure with LFS |
| 02:42.10 | ectospasm | I went from Slackware, to LFS... ran away screaming to Gentoo |
| 02:42.16 | nsadmin | how can anyone be?! each lfs is different! |
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| 02:42.51 | innociv | I've been dicking around with how to create new users and their dirs automatically for a few days and I'm on the verge of just giving php those sorts of permissions. |
| 02:43.06 | nsadmin | I went from sls to slack, a and d series only, everything else scratch |
| 02:43.15 | innociv | How exactly does php get compromised? |
| 02:43.16 | jasonsmr | I like the idea of LFS it is very good system to learn everything about a *nix os |
| 02:43.19 | ymas | it depends on what you need |
| 02:43.35 | ymas | I wouldn't do a LFS for "fun" for example |
| 02:43.41 | nsadmin | replaced some lib, lotsa things stopped werkin, I think it was libc4 |
| 02:44.03 | valdyn | innociv: a programming language does not get compromised |
| 02:44.17 | innociv | php is a VM, I thought. |
| 02:44.50 | valdyn | innociv: the developers "decide", which bug they introduce to make it compromisable |
| 02:44.53 | nsadmin | well php would have its enviroment |
| 02:45.05 | nsadmin | but it's just a process and its ram |
| 02:45.12 | jasonsmr | I can imagine myself doing a LFS, sometime. right now I think debian will be allright, Im pretty familiar with visualization, whatever it seems that your correct I would learn more |
| 02:45.16 | innociv | I don't see anything on that page. Do I need to restart some service to make the pam.d/common-* changes take place? |
| 02:45.29 | jasonsmr | particularly what patches I current have*! |
| 02:45.32 | innociv | What are the dangers of allow php to useradd/adduser, chmod, etc? |
| 02:45.36 | innociv | allowing* |
| 02:45.52 | ymas | jasonsmr, it depends on what you need |
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| 02:46.15 | nsadmin | well php is questionable if only because it changes incompatibly fairly often |
| 02:46.18 | ymas | jasonsmr, remember, if you don't know that you need a feature then you probably don't |
| 02:46.55 | nsadmin | take a language like tcl... hated by some, but it's been rock solid for years and years |
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| 02:47.11 | nsadmin | and almost NEVER introduces incompatible changes |
| 02:47.12 | innociv | ... so there isn't really any danger except for someone executing a file they've modified on the server by having write access to it? |
| 02:47.40 | nsadmin | innociv, right, and even then, the modifier could be you |
| 02:47.49 | jasonsmr | well Im looking to add hardware in the neer future, to allow myself to give access to this said hardware to guests (users) passthrough is a virtualization feature not yet complete and still* underer regular update |
| 02:47.56 | jasonsmr | I need that |
| 02:48.13 | nsadmin | simply meaning in your own case it's not a purposeful danger |
| 02:48.32 | innociv | There's no way to compromise the php vm and execute code through it directly? Or get control of that user? People advised against me simply doing useradd through php when I'd have had that done long ago. |
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| 02:48.52 | innociv | I'm the only one that uses that php-cgi/httpd. |
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| 02:49.14 | jasonsmr | the types of networking and other hardware features that accompany and are * linked to this virtualization feature, are beond me just now, as the types of passthrough that I will be using will develop as the system grows in size (ie adding hardware) |
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| 02:50.51 | innociv | Welp. Thanks guys. |
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| 02:52.16 | fdbalder | you're welcome |
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| 02:57.56 | nsadmin | innociv, try writing a script in any language you know that takes a user name and a home root dir (like /home) and creates what you want |
| 02:58.13 | nsadmin | you can test it where you want |
| 02:58.18 | innociv | Yeah I can write it in php no problem, after I've given phps user such permissions. |
| 02:59.40 | ymas | innociv, php's user is whoever is running the script, are you thinking of enabling the web server to create users? |
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| 02:59.52 | innociv | Yes. |
| 03:00.09 | ymas | innociv, have you considered using a job server for that? |
| 03:00.15 | innociv | user as in, the linux user php is running over. |
| 03:00.22 | innociv | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.45 | ymas | innociv, if your web server is running the PHP script then the "php user" is www-data (under debian for example) |
| 03:00.48 | innociv | Oh someone expressed concern that passwords are going to be visible in processes when a user is created. :/ |
| 03:00.57 | innociv | Yes. www-data. |
| 03:01.14 | ymas | are you sure you want www-data creating system accounts? |
| 03:01.19 | innociv | Why not? |
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| 03:01.35 | ymas | personally, I wouldn't take the risk |
| 03:01.42 | ymas | I would delegate the task to a job server |
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| 03:02.18 | innociv | I don't have another server. |
| 03:02.29 | ymas | innociv, a server is a piece of software |
| 03:02.34 | ymas | not a "box" |
| 03:03.05 | ymas | you can install a job server on the same box if you have enough resources |
| 03:03.08 | innociv | Oh. Um. Well I can use php-cli and run it every half hour or something through cron |
| 03:03.20 | ymas | yeah, cron is also an option |
| 03:03.35 | ymas | but then there could be a delay |
| 03:03.46 | innociv | Yeah 30 minute delay is okay. |
| 03:03.58 | ymas | then cron is good :) |
| 03:04.29 | innociv | But um... how should I actually be setting the users password when I create the user? |
| 03:05.02 | innociv | simply "useradd foo -G sftp -p foopass"? |
| 03:05.22 | innociv | No one is going to be able to see that password? It's encrypted, whatever? |
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| 03:06.24 | ymas | innociv, just make sure that the connection is encrypted when the user registers, if you're concerned about plain text passwords existing "locally" clear the logs routinely |
| 03:07.39 | ymas | alternatively, use a different authentication method |
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| 03:12.11 | innociv | erm can I supply an encrypted one on the useradd command? |
| 03:12.41 | innociv | It looks like -p is plaintext to me. |
| 03:14.21 | ymas | innociv, that wouldn't be helpful, if you supply an encrypted password, how will the system be able to authenticate the original password? |
| 03:14.59 | innociv | Does debian store passwords as plain text? What keeps another user from reading them? |
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| 03:15.34 | ymas | innociv, no, it does not store them in plain text |
| 03:16.23 | ymas | but if it encrypts an "encrypted password", then the user will not be able to authenticate with the originally supplied password |
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| 03:19.07 | innociv | Thanks |
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| 03:22.48 | ymas | innociv, if you're thinking of offering PHP 5.3, then be aware that this bug is still in the Debian Squeeze Build: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=52668 |
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| 03:27.30 | boylove | what distro is the best for encrypting child porn? |
| 03:28.19 | ectospasm | this one |
| 03:28.30 | ectospasm | LFS |
| 03:28.32 | boylove | YAY. thanks. |
| 03:32.21 | jasonsmr | hello chann , question how large is needed in Gb or MB in a standard BOOT partition? given - I need at least two diffrent kernels |
| 03:32.34 | jasonsmr | s/diffrent/different |
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| 03:33.26 | ectospasm | jasonsmr: like 200MB, not even that |
| 03:33.36 | jasonsmr | what distro is the best for encrypting child porn? the distro where you forgot who you were what you were doing and then ended up hating your race enough to die in that said** race event in a bout one inch of water |
| 03:33.37 | ectospasm | I don't use a boot partition anymore in Debian, though. |
| 03:33.53 | jasonsmr | or given substrate probably Aol-Ch |
| 03:34.12 | ectospasm | only distro I know of that still requires a /boot partition is Fedora, maybe Red Hat too |
| 03:34.33 | jasonsmr | Im using a non lukes LVM |
| 03:34.47 | jasonsmr | non encrypted BTW |
| 03:35.25 | ectospasm | should be OK, but then again I can't remember what "non-lukes" LVM partition is... |
| 03:35.43 | jasonsmr | if you or otheres want LVM for encryption that is a different story |