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| 00:01.35 | jhutchins_lt | dnewbie: Why do you assume everybody uses a database? |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | dnewbie: I prefer PostgreSQL |
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| 00:02.39 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: It would appear that sql workbench is platform independent. |
| 00:02.51 | jhutchins_lt | mysql workbench is from Oracle. |
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| 00:03.37 | abrotman | okay .. is sql workbench free software? |
| 00:03.42 | abrotman | DFSG |
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| 00:04.07 | abrotman | anyway .. |
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| 00:08.24 | project2501a | FUCK YEAH |
| 00:08.27 | project2501a | RT IS UP |
| 00:08.35 | project2501a | now, to configure exim |
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| 00:12.44 | iluminator101 | google voice on volume is too loud any solutions |
| 00:12.57 | linduxed | is there some system variable or something like that that clearly states "DEBIAN" if i'm on a debian system? |
| 00:14.06 | project2501a | linduxed: /etc/debian_version |
| 00:14.19 | linduxed | project2501a: ok |
| 00:14.22 | linduxed | project2501a: thx |
| 00:14.22 | project2501a | there is a downside to it |
| 00:14.23 | streuner_ | linduxed: or just use "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 00:14.29 | project2501a | that too |
| 00:14.35 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101, you should be able to configure per-application volumes in paprefs or sth like that |
| 00:14.40 | abrotman | linduxed: lsb_release -a |
| 00:14.45 | linduxed | streuner_: in this case, a file will be better |
| 00:15.01 | linduxed | i just need a quick check for my zsh to know what distro i'm using |
| 00:15.04 | abrotman | linduxed: that file is not reliable |
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| 00:15.21 | abrotman | that file could read almost anything for a dpkg-based system |
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| 00:16.00 | streuner_ | linduxed: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
| 00:16.09 | linduxed | abrotman: lsb_release -a is not reliable for me, in archlinux for instance it doesn't give any sensible output |
| 00:16.09 | kraehe | why does /etc/debian_version on squeeze tell me wheezy/sid ... and on squeeze it tells 6.0.3 |
| 00:16.32 | thewanderer1 | linduxed, if Arch doesn't support lsb_release then it's broken :P |
| 00:16.34 | streuner_ | kraehe: squeeze is 6.x |
| 00:16.34 | linduxed | streuner_: 2.13-21 |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | linduxed: what does it say in arch ? |
| 00:16.43 | technologov | because numbers are only for stable versions |
| 00:16.48 | streuner_ | linduxed: please show us the whole output |
| 00:16.55 | linduxed | thewanderer1: there i get n/a on four lines and (none) on the middle one :-P |
| 00:17.08 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 00:17.09 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-2; wheezy: 2.13-23; sid: 2.13-24 |
| 00:17.10 | linduxed | ii libc6 2.13-21 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:17.17 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 00:17.18 | technologov | wheezy is a moving target |
| 00:17.18 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-2; wheezy: 2.13-23; sid: 2.13-24 |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | linduxed: so you're not using Debian either ? |
| 00:17.30 | iluminator101 | thewanderer1, i am not following paprefs or sth ??? |
| 00:17.34 | linduxed | abrotman: wheezy |
| 00:17.47 | abrotman | linduxed: why is your libc6 out of date? |
| 00:17.53 | linduxed | abrotman: is it?? |
| 00:18.01 | streuner_ | sure |
| 00:18.02 | abrotman | doesn't see how showing hte libc6 version proves it's debian .. |
| 00:18.03 | linduxed | abrotman: i'm pretty bad at updating i take it |
| 00:18.20 | linduxed | abrotman: me neither really |
| 00:18.35 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101, paprefs, a program for configuring PulseAudio... or something else :P |
| 00:18.37 | streuner_ | abrotman: if its matches, its an indiz, not a fact, sure. |
| 00:18.49 | abrotman | lsb_release -a is the closest .. the /etc/debian_release isn't useful either |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | anyone on a RH system could create that file |
| 00:18.57 | linduxed | abrotman: why not? |
| 00:19.13 | linduxed | oh wait... |
| 00:19.19 | linduxed | for starters i don't have that file... |
| 00:19.42 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:19.46 | linduxed | that's weird... |
| 00:20.36 | linduxed | oh man... 185 updates |
| 00:20.49 | streuner_ | just update libc6 |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:21.25 | streuner_ | hehe :-) |
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| 00:21.48 | linduxed | man, this might mess up things :-P |
| 00:22.07 | streuner_ | badboy__: please dont IRC as root, logout and come back as user. |
| 00:23.53 | streuner_ | well, another indiz is the sources.list |
| 00:24.17 | streuner_ | if you using debian repos, you should running Debian |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | no, that's not really valid either |
| 00:24.34 | linduxed | i'm starting to think that a weekly update of packages might be in order :-) |
| 00:24.59 | streuner_ | abrotman: "should"... |
| 00:25.36 | linduxed | i think i'll settle for knowing what hostname has what system |
| 00:25.44 | linduxed | that might be the easiest way |
| 00:26.09 | linduxed | add an if-statement in my .zshrc that goes through my hostnames |
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| 00:26.48 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I need a link to an up-to-date reference for making udev rules. Specifically, I want to change the group /dev/usb/bus/* devices are created under |
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| 00:27.06 | Pegasus_RPG | rather, the group that gets permissions to them |
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| 00:28.50 | Tramp | !udev rules |
| 00:28.51 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html (removed at udev v151), or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 00:29.02 | Tramp | Pegasus_RPG: ^^ maybe that helps |
| 00:29.22 | technologov | Q about GNU LIB C: Standard C library uses only POSIX API ? or Linux API ? |
| 00:29.57 | Pegasus_RPG | Tramp: ok thanks |
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| 00:35.22 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:37.58 | qwd | Can someone tell me the difference between Skip and Abort under the progress bar when for example copying a file in Midnight Commander? |
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| 00:38.40 | streuner_ | if its only 1 file? |
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| 00:39.11 | qwd | streuner_: well right not it's several, I think it looks the same with 1. Pretty sure I get the same option when deleting stuff or moving. |
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| 00:39.54 | streuner_ | with skip, it tries to copy the next file, with abort it finish the process |
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| 00:40.42 | qwd | streuner_: thanks! |
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| 00:54.38 | nickermi1e | anyone running squeeze? I'm havin a real hard timd installing radeon drivers |
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| 00:55.15 | nkuttler | !tell nickermi1e about errors |
| 00:55.18 | streuner_ | never needed ATI support, but /msg dpkg ati (maybe that helps |
| 00:55.45 | WormFood | why would I be able to see my wireless interface with iwconfig or ifconfig, but when I try to bring it up (with ifup) it just says "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." |
| 00:55.48 | nkuttler | my ati cards never worked :\ at least the current one should work when the packages are fixed |
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| 00:56.30 | streuner_ | nkuttler: when the packages are fixed... |
| 00:56.41 | thewanderer1 | nickermi1e, do the default drivers not work in some way? |
| 00:56.45 | PerfDave | WormFood: Because ifup looks for lines in /etc/network/interface |
| 00:56.54 | streuner_ | nkuttler: true |
| 00:56.56 | nickermi1e | I just can't use 3d acceleration |
| 00:57.03 | nickermi1e | so no gaming of any sort |
| 00:57.10 | nickermi1e | which isn't terrible |
| 00:57.15 | nkuttler | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649346 in my case |
| 00:57.19 | streuner_ | complain at ATI |
| 00:57.28 | streuner_ | or better AMD, nowadays |
| 00:57.29 | nkuttler | not that i really care much, don't need 3d. but accelerated video would be nice |
| 00:57.38 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 00:57.43 | thewanderer1 | nickermi1e, so you're installing fglrx from the repositories? |
| 00:58.08 | nickermi1e | yes and then when i modprobe -R radeon it say its in use |
| 00:58.19 | nickermi1e | and i can't for the life of me figure out how to disable it |
| 00:58.38 | nickermi1e | so i can follow the debian proprietary directions on the site |
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| 00:58.52 | streuner_ | nickermi1e: laptop? |
| 00:58.55 | nickermi1e | yes |
| 00:59.01 | streuner_ | great |
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| 01:00.52 | streuner_ | nickermi1e: try /msg dpkg laptops, in some cases there are some trics and HOWTOs, sometimes it doesnt help much |
| 01:01.26 | nickermi1e | ok |
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| 01:02.34 | thewanderer1 | guys, any way to toggle scrolling in Chromium like you could do in Iceweasel a few years ago: by clicking the middle mouse button? |
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| 01:02.50 | thewanderer1 | or any other way that would be convenient with a tablet? |
| 01:03.20 | nickermi1e | i guess i just wanted to talk to a human lol |
| 01:03.49 | JoshuaP | how can i view who is connected to port 22? |
| 01:04.14 | thewanderer1 | nickermi1e, you're not able to unload radeon when X is running for the same reason you can't remove an engine from a running car... |
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| 01:04.30 | streuner_ | nickermi1e: yes, to a human who using the same hardware and solved everything, but keep in mind, about 20-30 users are active here... |
| 01:04.40 | thewanderer1 | JoshuaP, do you want to see who is logged onto a system? the command is `who` (or `w) |
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| 01:05.48 | JoshuaP | thanks |
| 01:06.09 | nickermi1e | i shut off gdm3 |
| 01:06.19 | nickermi1e | I'll keep looking |
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| 01:08.13 | JoshuaP | How do I kill them out? |
| 01:08.25 | thewanderer1 | ,info slay |
| 01:08.27 | judd | Package slay (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Kills all of the user's processes. Version: 2.7.0; Size: 12.9k; Installed: 84k |
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| 01:11.39 | pumafyre | hello all |
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| 01:11.59 | pumafyre | I'm wondering how to get use the b43 driver by default instead of the wl driver |
| 01:12.02 | thewanderer1 | JoshuaP, in case you're wondering, that "slay" package was an allusion :P |
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| 01:12.15 | pumafyre | *how to use |
| 01:12.21 | thewanderer1 | pumafyre, first of all, there is no "wl" driver in Debian by default... |
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| 01:13.39 | pumafyre | thewanderer1: hi! |
| 01:13.49 | thewanderer1 | if you've installed it, you should have a clue how you disabled b43, no? :P |
| 01:13.57 | JoshuaP | Lol |
| 01:14.14 | JoshuaP | Well how do you kill someone off your system? |
| 01:14.16 | pumafyre | thewanderer1: yep, in put it in there myself.. |
| 01:14.31 | pumafyre | thewanderer1: can't get my laptop to use b43 again now, other than by modprobe -r wl ; modprobe b43 |
| 01:14.43 | pumafyre | thewanderer1: every time I reboot it's using wl instead of b43 |
| 01:14.44 | thewanderer1 | JoshuaP, "slay thewanderer" and look, head chopped off in a professional and hassle-free manner |
| 01:15.13 | thewanderer1 | pumafyre, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf there you go |
| 01:15.35 | pumafyre | thewanderer1: heh :) thanks |
| 01:16.20 | pumafyre | hummmmmm |
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| 01:56.51 | Na_Klar | fsck says /dev/sda1 has errors. Is it just because sda1 is mounted (main disk) or is the filesystem corrputed indeed? Restarting with -F didn't change anything |
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| 01:57.54 | streuner_ | Na_Klar: fsck with a mounted FS? |
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| 01:58.06 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, try SMART first... |
| 01:58.20 | Na_Klar | what's smart? (let's google this ...) |
| 01:58.32 | streuner_ | smartmontools |
| 01:58.40 | streuner_ | dpkg, smart |
| 01:58.40 | dpkg | somebody said smart was the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure; ask me about <smartd>. S.M.A.R.T. can also be unreliable, no reason to believe it blindly without further testing. http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 01:58.44 | streuner_ | omg |
| 01:58.47 | thewanderer1 | smartctl -a /dev/sda and look if you see any failures |
| 01:59.17 | streuner_ | Na_Klar: but anyway, did you fsck a mounted FS at all? |
| 01:59.31 | Na_Klar | streuner_ fsck -n, yeah |
| 01:59.40 | streuner_ | DUH |
| 02:00.05 | streuner_ | Who told you that? |
| 02:00.17 | streuner_ | (never fsck a mounted FS...) |
| 02:00.25 | blackshirt | Is it possible to send python output continuously to a web browser? |
| 02:00.29 | Na_Klar | nobody, i jsut saw some weird entries in /var/log/fsck/checkfs |
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| 02:01.06 | abrotman | blackshirt: seems like a #python question |
| 02:01.08 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, run Python as FastCGI and set no timeout... |
| 02:01.13 | thewanderer1 | or CGI |
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| 02:03.02 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, smartctl ends with "No Errors Logged". So fsck filesystem errors on the mounted disk is meaningless? |
| 02:03.38 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, check further up, look in the WHEN_FAILED column |
| 02:04.37 | thewanderer1 | or maybe paste the whole thing... |
| 02:04.50 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, any entry in the when_failed entry is "-". I'll paste in addition |
| 02:05.31 | Na_Klar | http://codepad.org/TFNQfkex |
| 02:06.38 | blackshirt | abrotman: yeah, exactly python-apt... |
| 02:06.42 | thewanderer1 | the disk is fine... which doesn't matter your fsck didn't hose the filesystem :D |
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| 02:07.05 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: what you mean with set no timeout ? |
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| 02:07.31 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, allow scripts to execute till infinity... |
| 02:08.29 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, ic .. well I am still working on my "server blackout issue". Just thought that could be a track ... but obivously isn't |
| 02:09.20 | blackshirt | thewanderer1, okey.. i have try implement python-apt on the web-based app with some python framework, but i got stuck on this problem.. output show at console, not on browser |
| 02:09.48 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, redirect STDERR to STDOUT? |
| 02:10.10 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, have you already enabled audit? |
| 02:10.55 | jnewt | trying to get my mouse to work, it's been a while since i used x, apparently lsmod | grep mouse should return some loaded modules, which it does not, not sure how to use modprobe mousedev, command not found is what i get |
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| 02:11.43 | streuner_ | jnewt: what kind of mouse do you use? |
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| 02:12.02 | jnewt | old, standard, ps2 cord / ball / two buttons |
| 02:12.19 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, not yet but it is on my list. I had trouble to find related information so I posponed it. (Should have stored your message ^^) |
| 02:12.35 | jnewt | streuner: it's setup in xorg.conf from before, I can see where i changed it |
| 02:12.46 | superstraw | woot ball mouse lint! |
| 02:12.51 | jnewt | but plugging it in and starting x doesn't do anything |
| 02:12.55 | streuner_ | you changed it? |
| 02:13.04 | streuner_ | why? |
| 02:13.17 | superstraw | wouldn't a ps2 mouse being plugged in require that the computer be rebooted? |
| 02:13.17 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, audit is the single most badly documented subsystem of the kernel, you have to look for examples and the manpage sucks. but RedHat or SUSE webpages should know something... |
| 02:13.45 | jnewt | streuner_: i changed the original xorg.conf way back when, don't remember why, but I had it working 9 months ago, and haven't needed to use it since |
| 02:13.48 | streuner_ | superstraw: no |
| 02:14.01 | jnewt | superstraw: don't know, but a reboot can be done |
| 02:14.04 | thewanderer1 | technically, PS/2 is not hotplug |
| 02:14.04 | superstraw | weird, my computer has to be rebooted when i plug in ps2's... |
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| 02:14.05 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: are you mean sys.__stderr__ ?? how to do that ? |
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| 02:14.27 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, I got that impression, too ^^. But generally I have understood right: We are talking about the userspace component to the linux auditing system, aren't we? |
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| 02:14.31 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, well, does python-apt echo data to stderr? you could try capturing all output somehow |
| 02:14.38 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, yes, auditctl |
| 02:14.50 | Na_Klar | okay .. thanks for now ^^ |
| 02:15.07 | streuner_ | jnewt: i would just purge the whole X and reinstall it |
| 02:15.18 | jnewt | streuner_, i have options "Protocol" "auto" and "Device" "/dev/input/mice" in xorg.conf |
| 02:15.36 | un214 | warning: following standard input indefinitely is ineffective |
| 02:15.50 | jnewt | streunder_: it didn't work at all when originally installed, I don't want to go through that again |
| 02:15.56 | jnewt | wouldn't even start |
| 02:15.58 | streuner_ | jnewt: well, the new Xorg should always be able to detect your mouse, IME |
| 02:16.26 | streuner_ | jnewt: what about Knoppix? |
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| 02:16.44 | streuner_ | jnewt: does it work in a LIVE-CD? |
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| 02:17.44 | jnewt | no idea, i don't have knoppix or a live cd, i have lenny, and he's been good to me for two years, just a little cranky right now and needs to be fixed a bit |
| 02:18.20 | jnewt | rebooted, login says my eth0 is promiscuous...just how I like 'em |
| 02:18.39 | superstraw | lol |
| 02:18.52 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 02:18.56 | superstraw | naughty eth0 |
| 02:19.17 | streuner_ | naughty whole system :-P |
| 02:19.28 | jnewt | ah, mouse works after reboot, superstraw 1, streuner_ 0 |
| 02:19.30 | un214 | playing with a packet sniffer jnewt? |
| 02:19.42 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: yeah, |
| 02:19.44 | streuner_ | what else |
| 02:20.00 | jnewt | un214 I have |
| 02:20.06 | superstraw | whew i keep $1.00 |
| 02:20.13 | un214 | I've heard of a couple of defective instances that worked when switched to promiscuous |
| 02:20.53 | un214 | (apparently the hardware filter forgot what the mac address was) |
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| 02:22.34 | un214 | is dist-upgrade on wheezy currently safe (I'm already on wheezy) |
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| 02:24.32 | jnewt | streuner_: what do i need to change so i can run X as my user instead of having to do sudo startx. I'd guess there are lots of dependencies that would need permission changes? |
| 02:24.41 | nevyn | !safe |
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| 02:24.43 | un214 | 460kb/sec ... |
| 02:24.53 | streuner_ | un214: dist-upgrade should be in theory the better option :-P |
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| 02:25.16 | streuner_ | un214: but how it should be safe in testing? :-P |
| 02:25.32 | un214 | I'm presuming somebody knows if the repositories are crit-broken |
| 02:25.48 | jnewt | nevyn: no sh!t |
| 02:26.19 | technologov | Q: if ZFS exists in BSD why is it a license problem to import it to Linux ? |
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| 02:26.34 | jnewt | because the bsd license is diff than the linux one |
| 02:26.38 | un214 | does ZFS in BSD use the BSD license? |
| 02:26.46 | technologov | (including Debian GNU/kFreeBSD) |
| 02:26.54 | un214 | BSD-1 is not compat with GPL2, BSD-2 is |
| 02:26.56 | streuner_ | un214: dist-upgrade in order to upgrade to another branch, why do you use it at all? |
| 02:27.01 | jnewt | you can run ZFS under FUSE...slowly |
| 02:27.50 | un214 | streuner_: because upgrade doesn't always do what's expected |
| 02:28.15 | jnewt | error locking authority file /home/jnewt/.Xauthority |
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| 02:28.20 | jnewt | ^^?? |
| 02:28.30 | un214 | wow that's peverse |
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| 02:28.36 | streuner_ | un214: expected to upgrade an kernel? :-P |
| 02:29.11 | un214 | no, but using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade has screwed up royally before |
| 02:29.15 | streuner_ | un214: i usually do that by hand |
| 02:29.37 | un214 | streuner_: so do I, after dist-upgrade drops the kernel where it likes I touch the bootloader |
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| 02:30.28 | un214 | I wouldn't have to do that except the last kernel upgrade outsmarted itself |
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| 02:31.13 | nevyn | hrm I thoguth there was a factoid to say dist-upgrade was never safe... |
| 02:31.24 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: I got now auditd running. Now I should wait for a blackout and then crawl the logs, right? Some hints what I should search for primary? |
| 02:31.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys dist-upgrade |
| 02:31.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dist-upgrade' by key (8): dist-upgrade ;; apt-get dist-upgrade ;; why not dist-upgrade ;; _default why not dist-upgrade ;; #debian apt-get dist-upgrade ;; _default dist-upgrade ;; #debian dist-upgrade ;; _default apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 02:31.46 | un214 | and I would have chewed you out for answering the wrong question if there was nevyn |
| 02:32.17 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, you need to actually set up some rules for it to be useful |
| 02:32.29 | streuner_ | un214: i use stable and unstable, but i doubt, there is a difference in testing |
| 02:32.56 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, try syscall auditing like kill() |
| 02:32.56 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, ah okay, thought by default it logs some useful things ^^ .. will read into that |
| 02:33.10 | streuner_ | un214: there are always problem in testing/unstable, IMO |
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| 02:33.22 | un214 | of course |
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| 02:33.35 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, I would also recommend auditing program exits, but I have no idea offhand how to do that |
| 02:33.36 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: okay, btw what is >useful< at all? |
| 02:33.39 | un214 | the question was more along the lines of whether or not I can expect a system that doesn't require odd drivers to boot |
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| 02:33.59 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, useful will be for example if you see a process that sends KILL to your logger... |
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| 02:34.15 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 02:34.37 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, also, as I said, userspace memtest |
| 02:34.39 | un214 | thewanderre1: my solution to that was amusing |
| 02:34.50 | un214 | the logger was init |
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| 02:35.10 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, yeah also on my list. |
| 02:35.21 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, you need to process faster :P |
| 02:35.41 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: well, I got a longer and longer list ... |
| 02:35.49 | streuner_ | un214: thats a totally different question then, but i doubt that somebody is alble to tell YOU then. |
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| 02:36.49 | un214 | people tend to find out pretty fast when somebody checked in no-boot code |
| 02:36.50 | ztag100 | Hey, I changed my network to WPA2, but I'm still having trouble setting up wifi from this computer |
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| 02:36.57 | ztag100 | Debian on CLI, it works fine if gnome is loaded |
| 02:37.02 | ztag100 | can anyone help me? |
| 02:37.17 | un214 | iwconfig is your friend |
| 02:37.45 | un214 | the sequence went something like: iwconfig eth1 up |
| 02:37.58 | un214 | iwlist eth1 scan |
| 02:38.08 | un214 | iwconfig eth1 ap xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx |
| 02:38.12 | un214 | dhclient eth1 |
| 02:38.17 | ztag100 | I don't fully understand how to use it, I tried wpa_supplicant but It says invalid option |
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| 02:39.07 | un214 | sorry, never tried it with wpa |
| 02:39.45 | ztag100 | one second |
| 02:39.55 | ztag100 | I think I figured something out |
| 02:40.02 | streuner_ | its mentioned in the HOW to use WLAN debian wiki |
| 02:40.08 | forgotten | anyone here use truecrypt ? or some diff? better? |
| 02:40.20 | streuner_ | IIRC |
| 02:40.53 | streuner_ | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 02:43.21 | ztag100 | streuner, I've been looking at the guide for the last two days, I keep on getting problems |
| 02:43.46 | streuner_ | ztag100: well, i use interfaces, it works here |
| 02:44.11 | streuner_ | ztag100: via static IP, but it shouldnt be hard to use DHCP as well |
| 02:44.24 | fry20 | Hello everyone... I'm using a Debian Squeeze laptop and I want to setup a combination of NAT/bridging (for use with QEMU/kvm), while still retaining the capabilities and ease-of-use of network-manager (remember, it's a laptop). Is it even possible? |
| 02:44.28 | fry20 | More importantly, is there any document explaining in a simple yet thorough way how the whole TCP/IP stack is configured on Debian? I could only find step-by-step howto's that don't really explain anything in depth. I *do* know a bit about TCP/IP, encapsulation, the logic behind NAT etc. and still I find it VERY difficult to grasp the complete image... |
| 02:44.32 | streuner_ | omg |
| 02:44.45 | jnewt | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. that's from var/log/Xorg.0.log . doesn't happen as root, only as my user. seems it may not even be the problem based on eefreedom.com ,but startx fails unless i sudo it |
| 02:44.59 | jnewt | http://efreedom.com/Question/H-4232/Xorg-Partially-Working-Font-Error |
| 02:45.22 | jnewt | that's the only error in Xorg.0.log, and the last line available after i try to start |
| 02:45.32 | streuner_ | ztag100: if you dont have some weird bug in your WLAN driver, it should work |
| 02:46.57 | streuner_ | ztag100: well, just look at the chipset and go to the wiki of Debian, maybe its better explained there... |
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| 02:48.26 | teratoma | is there a way to NOT painfully wipe and erase every bit of a hard drive when im doign a new install with encrypted LVM ? |
| 02:49.03 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: rule with "-S kill" fails on restart with "32/64bin syscall mismacht in line X, you should specify an arch" ?? Hu? |
| 02:49.14 | Na_Klar | s/bin/bit |
| 02:50.21 | bambanx | when i use , ls command in console how i can use it for it show me all files for a specific letter? |
| 02:50.22 | fry20 | teratoma: I don't think so. I've never used LVM encryption, but if it weren't the case you would be open to some kinds of cryptographic attacks (because which parts of LVM contai real data would be obvious). |
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| 02:50.28 | streuner_ | ztag100: keep in mind, not everything is mentioned in the wiki of Debian, some drivers needs specifc instructrions, you are able to find them in the driver itself (README) |
| 02:50.29 | un214 | teratoma: yeah, install to VM with right-sized partitons and overwrite |
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| 02:50.51 | fry20 | teratoma: Of course this applies to EVERY kind of whole-drive encryption |
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| 02:51.01 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, there's some parameter like b64 that you need to pass to auditctl, I don't remember exactly |
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| 02:51.21 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, that error message is findable on the Web, though |
| 02:51.35 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: hm, okay, yeah, I'll find that out, ty ^^ |
| 02:51.35 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, writing up a userspace memtest in C, brb |
| 02:51.37 | jnewt | where do i go for help with startx under debian? is there a channel that is active? do people not use x, or it should "just work" and if it doesn't, what then? |
| 02:51.46 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: great :P |
| 02:52.17 | streuner_ | jnewt: startx is just a command, which need a special package |
| 02:52.29 | streuner_ | dpkg, startx |
| 02:52.30 | dpkg | i guess startx is a script that starts the X Window System, configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. See <starting gnome>, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. See also <xwrapper.config>. |
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| 02:52.58 | jnewt | i know what x is. i don't know why it won't start |
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| 02:53.22 | streuner_ | jnewt: "exec gnome-session" in ~/.xsession for example |
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| 02:53.48 | teratoma | fry20: installing with ubuntu alternate with encrypted LVM takes seconds, probably doesn't write a 0 to every single block like debian |
| 02:54.21 | fry20 | jnewt: Of course people DO use X, what kind of question is that?! ;) More importantly, do you really need startx? It's been many, many years since I last used that command... |
| 02:54.23 | jnewt | i see what you're typing streuner_ , but not what it's an example of, just one way to start x? i can do sudo startx and it works, i can't do startx |
| 02:54.55 | streuner_ | well, thats totally wrong then |
| 02:55.04 | streuner_ | (if you using X as root) |
| 02:55.31 | jandro | I'm thinking of turning a laptop into a proxy server, but it's only got one ethernet adaptor so I would need another NIC to forward the traffic to. I've seen in the market there are both USB and PCMCIA ethernet controllers. Any idea about which one would work best in terms of compatibility and performance? cheers |
| 02:55.58 | fry20 | jnewt: That's because X itself (sadly) still needs root privileges.... That's supposed to change in the future |
| 02:56.08 | forgotten | pcmica imo for performance/reliability jandro |
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| 02:56.20 | jnewt | fry20: not sure if this was a command line only group of people in here at the moment, that was the intent, as to the kind of question, well, the kind that solicits an answer I'd hoped. Do i need startx, I have no idea. sudo startx makes xfce desktop start. normally i need no desktop, its been months since i've used a desktop |
| 02:56.22 | forgotten | pcmcia** |
| 02:56.33 | fry20 | jnewt: That's only a guess though, since I don't use startx myself |
| 02:57.20 | jandro | forgotten: thanks! |
| 02:57.29 | un214 | fry20: what? /usr/bin/X is suid-root for a reason |
| 02:57.52 | un214 | and it's better that way as compromise of X's memory space = compromise of the kernel in many cases |
| 02:58.04 | forgotten | jandra: specifically i remember using some Linksys pcmcia adaptors that were recognized easily and were consistantly up/working. |
| 02:58.04 | streuner_ | jnewt: its installed, no matter if you are root or not |
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| 02:58.54 | jnewt | ok, lets start over. I have debian Lenny. I have xfce that will run when i type sudo startx. this seems dangerous, so i would like to know the proper way to start a desktop once i've logged into debian as my user |
| 02:59.15 | jandro | forgotten: great, I'll look into it, cheers |
| 02:59.19 | streuner_ | you are using startx :-P |
| 02:59.21 | I_Died_Once | hey, are there any application for security that will make an alert anytime someone attempts to make a connection to your computer? like a failed ssh login attempt, for example? |
| 02:59.28 | forgotten | gdm ? |
| 02:59.37 | I_Died_Once | something that'll pop up on the desktop? |
| 03:00.05 | streuner_ | jnewt: startx works as user too, it just looks into ~/.xsession then... |
| 03:00.30 | fry20 | un214: oh, ok, I forgot about suid-root... suid-root means that it's STILL running with root privileges though, so I don't understand your comment about mem space. It's just as dangerous as running it with sudo, AFAIK. |
| 03:00.48 | streuner_ | jnewt: nano ~/.xsession and edit that file for your DE/WM |
| 03:00.56 | forgotten | I_Died_Once: tail -f /var/log/auth.log willl show you failed authentications.. |
| 03:01.04 | un214 | fry20: X has access to the mapped memory to the video and graphics cards and can order DMA requests |
| 03:01.07 | Na_Klar | bambanx: ls bla* .. maybe you want ls -d bla* if you do not want to got through dirs |
| 03:01.12 | un214 | DMA requests do not trigger page faults |
| 03:01.17 | I_Died_Once | looks like i got some chinese ip trying to ssh into my system |
| 03:01.19 | un214 | think about it really hard |
| 03:01.40 | forgotten | I_Died_Once: IE: Dec 29 20:00:28 windwalker sshd[21376]: Failed password for forgotten from 127.0.0.1 port 55850 ssh2 |
| 03:01.43 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, http://rkaw.pl/memtest.c I believe this could work |
| 03:01.45 | un214 | I_Died_Once: I get that so much I don't even bother reading the logs anymore |
| 03:01.49 | fry20 | un214: Admittedly, I don't know what happens with child processes when using suid... |
| 03:02.00 | un214 | fry20: Since when does X launch a child process? |
| 03:02.22 | bambanx | thanks Na_Klar |
| 03:02.42 | thewanderer1 | (I'm not exceeding int anywhere, am I...) |
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| 03:02.49 | jnewt | streuner_: i don't have ~/.xsession and if i create it, how do i know what needs to go in it based on my DE/WM (whatever those stand for) |
| 03:02.51 | fry20 | un214: It probably doesn't :P |
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| 03:03.08 | un214 | fry20: in this case, by being suid-root we get the kernel's built-in protection of only root can attach a debugger |
| 03:03.21 | forgotten | suidrewt |
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| 03:03.42 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: 404'd |
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| 03:03.51 | streuner_ | jnewt: well, that should mentioned in /usr/share/doc/<package>/README(.debian) or such (in most cases) |
| 03:03.53 | fry20 | un214: Oh! So, there IS a difference... |
| 03:04.10 | I_Died_Once | Dec 29 21:59:33 w3502 sshd[5505]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=mail.chinaspring.com.cn |
| 03:04.10 | I_Died_Once | Dec 29 21:59:35 w3502 sshd[5505]: Failed password for invalid user thomas from 112.65.165.131 port 50582 ssh2 |
| 03:04.16 | I_Died_Once | bunch of 'em |
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| 03:04.38 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, oops. try now :P |
| 03:04.45 | jnewt | package being x or xfce streuner_ ? |
| 03:05.26 | rooks | im thinking on moving onto debian, since neither mint nor ubuntu work for me anymore due to the insanity of their gui, but i have a question |
| 03:05.28 | streuner_ | jnewt: xfce, of course, /msg dpkg xfce |
| 03:05.33 | thewanderer1 | I guess "memtester" would have worked just as well, eh? |
| 03:05.43 | rooks | will debian 7 have gnome3? or will it have gnome2? |
| 03:05.55 | thewanderer1 | rooks, it will have whatever is stable at the time |
| 03:05.56 | mhall119 | rooks: you know you can install whatever desktop session you want on either |
| 03:05.56 | I_Died_Once | is there any way to stop all chinese ip's from access? |
| 03:06.03 | thewanderer1 | I_Died_Once, no. |
| 03:06.08 | un214 | yes |
| 03:06.20 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: heh, nice. What do you recommend for allocation? |
| 03:06.27 | thewanderer1 | you can stop most of them, but not all :P |
| 03:06.37 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, give it as much memory as you can |
| 03:06.41 | I_Died_Once | how can i stop most of them? |
| 03:06.42 | rooks | mhall119, there was some fud in the ubuntu saying that gnome3 and gnome2 cant coexist, is it true in debian? |
| 03:06.43 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 03:07.03 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, but not more... don't exceed free memory, or else :) |
| 03:07.13 | Na_Klar | sure that |
| 03:07.14 | mhall119 | rooks: can't co-exist, no |
| 03:07.17 | mhall119 | not that I know of anywya |
| 03:07.33 | mhall119 | but you can install Gnome3/Gnome-SHell on either Ubuntu or Mint |
| 03:07.47 | rooks | okay, thanks, debian so far looks like the most sane :) |
| 03:08.00 | rooks | mhall119, no way, i am sticking to my gnome2 :P |
| 03:08.11 | forgotten | im bout to see how well win7 will run under virtualbox on debian :-D |
| 03:08.29 | mhall119 | rooks: you know that gnome2 is deprecated, right? |
| 03:08.43 | mhall119 | there won't be any future maintenance on it |
| 03:08.52 | thewanderer1 | mhall119, deprecated or not, GNOME3 is just too buggy to be useful |
| 03:08.57 | rooks | mhall119, it works for me. there is MATE project based on gnome2 fork |
| 03:09.07 | mhall119 | thewanderer1: well, 3 is only going to get better, 2 is only going to get older |
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| 03:09.11 | rooks | what thewanderer1 said :) |
| 03:09.19 | mhall119 | rooks: yeah, there is mate |
| 03:09.46 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: -F arch=b64 ... just btw ^^ |
| 03:09.49 | rooks | good, ill give 3 a spin in two or three years when it will reach the same level of userfriendliness as gnome2 has now :P |
| 03:11.05 | un214 | incidentally thewanderer1: hex dice will stop all the chinese ssh bots |
| 03:11.47 | rooks | the problem is that i have a life now, which might be shocking to the dev's who want me to engage with their system. i dont want to engage, i want to get stuff done, tho i dont mind wwhatever they will cook up, as long as they wont impose their strangeness on me |
| 03:11.53 | thewanderer1 | eyes un214 suspiciously |
| 03:12.50 | Na_Klar | rooks, "impose their strangeness" ? how could one impose that :P |
| 03:12.58 | jnewt | streuner_: i don't have a root level folder /msg. |
| 03:13.20 | fry20 | Does Gnome 3 still lack font configuration and other VERY basic things? Frankly, this crippling mentality is getting annoying... (I'm a dissatisfied Gnome user, still using version 2) |
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| 03:13.55 | dvs | fry20: i always found gnome is like that. |
| 03:14.07 | nevyn | cripling |
| 03:14.08 | nevyn | yeah |
| 03:14.12 | Na_Klar | favours lxde over gnome |
| 03:14.39 | thewanderer1 | woot, there's still KDE, it's almost entirely stable now |
| 03:15.10 | un214 | is not a spellcaster |
| 03:15.16 | forgotten | fluxbox for life :-D |
| 03:15.57 | fry20 | dvs: Yes (remember the screensaver fiasco), but releasing Gnome 3 without the option to configure the fonts is totally ridiculous. I'm being force-fed the accessibility icon on the top right on the screen (which I don't need), yet I'm unable to choose a bigger font (which I do need) |
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| 03:16.32 | fry20 | I don't think I'm the only user who needs eyeglasses... |
| 03:16.54 | dvs | or a bigger monitor |
| 03:16.58 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:16.59 | fry20 | yes |
| 03:17.21 | thewanderer1 | fry20, if you find a way to open a new message window in Empathy on GNOME3, do let me know... |
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| 03:18.08 | fry20 | I can't, because I'm using Gnome 2 (I did give Gnome 3 a fair chance, though) ;) |
| 03:18.11 | forgotten | mmm win7 on top of linux.. thats what i'm talkin about, stickin to the man |
| 03:19.03 | fry20 | forgotten: qemu/kvm (using libvirt-manager as a frrontend if you want one) with the VirtIO drivers is VERY fast ;) |
| 03:19.41 | forgotten | interesting :D |
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| 03:20.36 | forgotten | i just build this box today |
| 03:20.41 | forgotten | built* |
| 03:20.49 | dvs | builded |
| 03:20.59 | forgotten | buildedid |
| 03:21.03 | fry20 | forgotten: read about VirtIO, it almost eliminates the overhead of using virtualized hardware ;) BUT keep in mind that kvm will only work on CPUs with virtualisation extensions |
| 03:22.12 | thewanderer1 | virtio on Windows, not so great... has a plenty of bugs, it seems |
| 03:22.18 | fry20 | that's all recent CPUs, but not all laptops... |
| 03:22.38 | rooks | fry20, afaik gnome3 is still 'do as we say and keep quiet' |
| 03:23.03 | fry20 | thewanderer1: VirtIO storage is working fine for me, I can even install a slipstreamed WinXP CD directly on VirtIO |
| 03:23.12 | rooks | fry20, i keep away from it to really tell whats going on with it |
| 03:23.27 | thewanderer1 | fry20, seen strange stuff happen on network virtio though :P |
| 03:24.20 | fry20 | rooks: I see, I'm not surprised... hopefully in another 1-2 years, due to the transition of most distros to Gnome 3, user complaints will multiply and they will have to improve |
| 03:24.43 | fry20 | that might be only wishful thinking :( |
| 03:24.56 | rooks | fry20, i doubt it, i think people these days take their mentaility from facebook updates... |
| 03:24.57 | dvs | yup |
| 03:25.17 | thewanderer1 | suddenly remembers he's in #debian :P |
| 03:25.35 | rooks | fry20, *facebook ui updates* |
| 03:25.52 | rooks | oh dear, sorry, i guess its not offtopic :) |
| 03:26.52 | thewanderer1 | should be fine until someone comes with a real problem to solve... :P |
| 03:27.16 | fry20 | thewanderer1: According to the #kvm freenode channel, when using the network, bridging is MUCH faster than userspace NAT (almost 3 orders of magnitude!)... that's something to keep in mind, and actually the reason I joined #debian today |
| 03:27.45 | thewanderer1 | fry20, of course it is faster, it's kernelspace code after all |
| 03:27.57 | fry20 | because I really don't know how to setup bridging while keeping network-manager (it's a laptop) :( |
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| 03:28.48 | fry20 | thewanderer1: curiously enough, high CPU usage is not the (only) reason that NAT is slow |
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| 03:29.16 | fry20 | because it hits a speed limit while CPU usage is still below 10% |
| 03:30.03 | thewanderer1 | fry20, well, memory bandwidth while copying to/from kernel I suppose |
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| 03:32.21 | fry20 | there are maybe artificial limits, because on my PC the max speed is only 512KB/s! (far too slow to be a memory bandwidth limit)... That's a single TCP connection between host and guest |
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| 03:33.46 | vyadhaka | whats the latest version of samba for squeeze, I looked at at the backports and it says it's around 2+, how to get the 3+ version? |
| 03:34.43 | abrotman | judd: versions samba-common |
| 03:34.44 | simonlnu | ,versions samba |
| 03:34.44 | judd | Package: samba-common on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze4; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 2:3.5.10~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 2:3.5.11~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.5.11~dfsg-4; sid: 2:3.6.1-3; wheezy: 2:3.6.1-3 |
| 03:34.46 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze4; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 2:3.5.11~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.6.1-3; wheezy: 2:3.6.1-3 |
| 03:34.57 | simonlnu | heh woops |
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| 03:35.24 | simonlnu | vyadhaka: um, they all say 3+ |
| 03:35.26 | hikenboot | I am on debian squeeze with pve kernel for kvm and have compiled and install ZFS appears to work create however I am trying to use pvcreate /dev/zvol/tank/VMs it tells me Device /dev/zvol/tank/VMs not found (or ignored by filtering) |
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| 03:35.58 | simonlnu | vyadhaka: 2: is the epoch, it's a debian versioning thing |
| 03:35.59 | hikenboot | anyone know why |
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| 03:36.27 | vyadhaka | simonlnu: ok, that clears the confusion. thanks |
| 03:36.53 | fry20 | anyway, I find networking to be a real nightmare to setup... Now that the channel isn't very active, I'll repost my earlier comment, which got no responses: |
| 03:37.16 | fry20 | "Is there any document explaining in a simple yet thorough way how the whole TCP/IP stack is configured on Debian? I could only find step-by-step howto's that don't really explain anything in depth. I *do* know a bit about TCP/IP, encapsulation, the logic behind NAT etc. and still I find it VERY difficult to grasp the complete image..." |
| 03:37.45 | abrotman | what exactly do youwant to know ? |
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| 03:38.04 | fry20 | I want to setup a combination of NAT/bridging (for use with QEMU/kvm), while still retaining the capabilities and ease-of-use of network-manager (it's a laptop). |
| 03:38.25 | fry20 | I don't even know whether it is possible... |
| 03:39.13 | abrotman | you want to NAT and bridge ? |
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| 03:40.21 | rooks | can debian have a ubuntu ppa as its package source? |
| 03:40.24 | abrotman | one would think you'd just setup the bridge .. and tell those VMs to bridge .. and then let kvm handle the NAT behind the bridged interface ? |
| 03:40.32 | abrotman | rooks: it's a *really* *bad* idea |
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| 03:41.33 | vyadhaka | clean install of Debian squeeze did not install hunspell, is that a bug/known issue? I sent out an important document with typos because OO said that there were no spellings. |
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| 03:42.13 | dvs | ,versions hunspell |
| 03:42.14 | judd | Package: hunspell on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-1; squeeze: 1.2.11-1; sid: 1.3.2-4; wheezy: 1.3.2-4 |
| 03:42.36 | fry20 | abrotman: Of course this raises quite a few question regarding the network topology... Eg. Should the wireless NIC be connected to the bridge (and would network-manages still work in that case), or should a create a new bridge "behind" the wireless NIC and then use NAT to connect them (in that case I'll have to learn iptables! I know a few things about it, but I've never used it) |
| 03:42.40 | thewanderer1 | fry20, libvirt+virt-manager will set up bridged NAT for ya |
| 03:43.04 | fry20 | rooks: abrotman is right, it would certainly break things |
| 03:43.09 | abrotman | vyadhaka: using which package manager? |
| 03:43.53 | vyadhaka | abrotman: apt I believe, as it was a clean install of Debian sqeeze |
| 03:44.00 | abrotman | fry20: honestly, kinda feel like this involves some sscript to figure out things to see which interfaces are working, and which to bridge, etc |
| 03:44.00 | fry20 | thewanderer1: Not the version I have, I think... (Debian Squeeze) |
| 03:44.08 | fry20 | thewanderer1: Are you using Wheezy? |
| 03:44.17 | abrotman | vyadhaka: "apt" is not a front end .. apt-get? aptitude? synaptic ? |
| 03:44.27 | rooks | thats a bad news, since i like some of my ppa's ... tho still looking at ubuntu i think its now the time to make a switch to debian... |
| 03:44.30 | thewanderer1 | fry20, Squeeze and Wheezy, both contain that feature |
| 03:44.54 | vyadhaka | abrotman: I am not sure what you are getting at, I said it was a clean install from scratch. |
| 03:44.57 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, I think he means there is no hunspell after installing with d-i |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | rooks: such as ? |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | vyadhaka: not all package managers act the same way .. that's why i'm asking which you used |
| 03:45.22 | abrotman | thewanderer1: who would do that?! |
| 03:45.33 | vyadhaka | abrotman: what ever the debian installer uses |
| 03:45.37 | fry20 | rooks: Excluding the whole Firefox fiasco, I 've made that switch and never regretted it... |
| 03:46.03 | thewanderer1 | fry20, in virt-manager, there's a tab "virtual networks" in host details section, it should have tools for bridging, natting and making coffee... |
| 03:47.12 | rooks | abrotman, xbmc beta, clipgrab, and some other stuff thats usually clunky but neatly packaged in ppa |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | fry20: mozilla.debian.net |
| 03:47.37 | abrotman | rooks: ah, well, you can learn about package management and creating packages if they're that important |
| 03:48.21 | fry20 | thewanderer1: I admit I didn't pay much attention to that tab, because various wiki pages suggested that I would have to setup the bridge manually... i'll give it a try! |
| 03:48.27 | fry20 | thewanderer1: Thank you! |
| 03:48.55 | rooks | abrotman, i do know, problem is i have other things now on my mind, since im out of computers and more into other stuff in life, like gardening, building with cob, veganism and so on :) |
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| 03:49.21 | abrotman | didn't realize veganism was a hobby :) |
| 03:49.21 | thewanderer1 | fry20, well, you should have, the espresso it makes is great... :P |
| 03:49.42 | abrotman | rooks: your call .. you can try what's in Debian .. but generally using PPAs is not a good idea |
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| 03:51.01 | fry20 | abrotman: mozilla.debian.net doesn't seem to provide recent Firefox packages (I'm not referring to the cr*p that is Iceweasel) and, as far as I know, Firefox isn't packaged even in nonfree (which I consider needlessly hostile towards mozilla) |
| 03:51.04 | rooks | i know, i think ill make a switch to debian like fry20 did, but i gotta figure out some stuff first, maybe ill install it first on some vm to see what it will feel to me :) |
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| 03:51.23 | abrotman | fry20: whatever you say |
| 03:51.39 | abrotman | rooks: not a horrible plan .. you can see if it's viable |
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| 03:51.47 | simonlnu | !iceweasel |
| 03:51.48 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | fry20: you should learn about why iceweasel exists before you blame Debian .. |
| 03:52.16 | teratoma | did debian remove wireless firmware from the install CD to personally cause me pain and suffering? |
| 03:52.21 | forgotten | its pretty easy to just dl /use firefox 9.0... |
| 03:52.30 | abrotman | !tell teratoma about firmware images |
| 03:52.36 | fry20 | rooks: Hey, between Ubuntu and Debian I was also a Gentoo user for quite some time, so it wasn't a real "direct" switch :) |
| 03:52.39 | fry20 | Oh gentoo, some fond memories |
| 03:52.48 | abrotman | forgotten: mozilla.debian.net ... it's already done |
| 03:53.11 | forgotten | running the binary u download straight from mozilla is just as eazy |
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| 03:54.39 | vyadhaka | I have a windows machine and a debian sys, all my data is on debian system. I dont want to have two sets of data I am trying to keep all my data in one place. At least until I get a dedicated server. I am thinking of setting up samba on the debian system. Is that the best option. |
| 03:54.58 | cjs | I'm trying to figure out what's up with the binary being named ruby1.9.1 instead of ruby1.9 on Ubuntu. Is that the same on debian? |
| 03:55.16 | cjs | vyadhaka: Yes, that is probably the best and most reliable option. |
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| 03:56.12 | kj4 | vyadhaka: use winscp on the windows machine and ssh |
| 03:56.33 | DammitJim | kj4, can one directly edit documents from windows using winscp? |
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| 03:57.03 | kj4 | DammitJim: mmm. i don't remember |
| 03:57.12 | DammitJim | vyadhaka, I use samba and it's pretty straight forward |
| 03:57.16 | kj4 | DammitJim: but give winscp a spin its balls |
| 03:57.18 | mosno | cjs: there's a ruby1.9.1 in the ruby1.9.1 package |
| 03:57.53 | cjs | There's something for file explorer that can work over ssh to make remote files on a Unix system (to which you have shell access) appear to be local, but it's got issues. The main one is that it copies files back and forth, so if you work on the same file at the same time on both systems, changes can be lost. |
| 03:58.17 | cjs | monso: Thanks. And I'd guess there's a ruby-1.9.2 package which is a virtual page that installs ruby-1.9.1? |
| 03:58.25 | abrotman | cjs: inspect the changelog |
| 03:58.48 | cjs | So I'm curious, why is it ruby1.9.1 (even when it's ruby1.9.2) rather than just ruby1.9, to parallel /usr/bin/ruby1.8? |
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| 03:59.10 | cjs | abrotman: I don't know where the changelog even is. I'm an Ubuntu user just checking up to see if this is an Ubuntu or a Debian thing. |
| 03:59.11 | kj4 | DammitJim: yes, you can directly edit, i just did it |
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| 03:59.30 | DammitJim | that's what I use, kj4 but I've been dumb enough to always copy the file to windows first LOL |
| 03:59.31 | abrotman | cjs: ask #ubuntu, and check /usr/share/doc/foopkgname/ |
| 03:59.31 | mosno | cjs: you can probably just use apt-file to figure this out from within ubuntu, ie. change the cache-directory and sources-list options of apt-file to point to debian |
| 04:00.51 | vyadhaka | kj4: winscp is it like scp? |
| 04:01.11 | forgotten | vyadhaka: yes, for windows |
| 04:01.11 | cjs | abrotman: I did ask #ubuntu. Thanks for the tip on where to look. |
| 04:01.21 | cjs | mosno: Oh, clever! I never thought of that. |
| 04:02.03 | kj4 | vyadhaka: it is a gui file manager for connecting via ssh |
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| 04:03.32 | cjs | Oh, I see. Ruby 1.9.1 may be incompatible with Ruby 1.9.0. |
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| 04:06.23 | fry20 | vyadhaka: There is also NFS (as a faster and more open alternative to samba) and SSHFS. The latter is easy to set up, mush slower, but encrypted. |
| 04:06.35 | fry20 | kj4: There is SSHFS for windows! |
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| 04:06.52 | kj4 | fry20: what? |
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| 04:07.00 | kj4 | fry20: where? |
| 04:07.06 | kj4 | fry20: free? |
| 04:07.38 | fry20 | kj4: A filesystem driver that helps you "mount" SSH machines as a "partition" instead of using WinSCP |
| 04:07.54 | fry20 | kj4: yes, free, but still immature |
| 04:08.32 | fry20 | kj4: BTW the linux SSHFS is much more mature and not related to the Windows version. |
| 04:08.41 | kj4 | fry20: wow thats cool |
| 04:08.42 | jpinx | does PuTTY not allow you to mount filesystems? |
| 04:09.01 | fry20 | jpinx: no, AFAIK |
| 04:09.19 | fry20 | jpinx: It comes with a SCP client though |
| 04:09.29 | fry20 | really likes putty |
| 04:09.37 | jpinx | I'm assuming local windoze and remote linux |
| 04:09.42 | vyadhaka | fry20: I will be setting up a solaris server soon and from what I gather, NFS does not work with solaris? Isn't that right? |
| 04:10.08 | kj4 | fry20: putty is my most used app |
| 04:10.15 | kj4 | fry20: along with tmux |
| 04:10.20 | jpinx | is using PuTTy rght now from XP to a remote debian box |
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| 04:10.51 | vyadhaka | kj4: fry20: also security is also an important aspect as these machines are not behind a strong firewall. |
| 04:10.53 | fry20 | kj4: same here, when I'm using Windows... very customizable! :) |
| 04:11.05 | un214 | I stopped using putty much after having too much trouble with importing public keys |
| 04:11.37 | swills | trying to look at the changelog for jasper http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/jasper |
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| 04:11.48 | kj4 | un214: what do you use in its place? |
| 04:11.48 | swills | the link to the changelog is 404 though. anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:11.54 | un214 | cygwin's ssh client |
| 04:12.01 | jpinx | why use pubkeys if you're using ssh? |
| 04:12.02 | un214 | I'm using its server too |
| 04:12.07 | fry20 | vyadhaka: I don't know about Solaris. NFS is fast and open, but has a reputation for being "insecure". I guess though that you could either run NFS through an SSH tunnel, or use SSHFS |
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| 04:12.34 | un214 | jpinx: because some people at work pick weak passwords so I don't allow passwords for offsite login |
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| 04:12.53 | jpinx | ok -- |
| 04:13.05 | vyadhaka | fry20: now how secure is samba? |
| 04:13.24 | un214 | about as secure as windows networking |
| 04:13.37 | fry20 | un214: Yeah, managing keys is quite annoying... I remember that there were a few problems with a few versions |
| 04:13.38 | un214 | when that meant NT4 fully patched |
| 04:13.52 | fry20 | vyadhaka: I've never really used samba |
| 04:14.19 | un214 | basically, any protocol level attack against NT4 still works, but no other attack will |
| 04:14.40 | un214 | oh, and passwords are partially case insenstive |
| 04:15.07 | forgotten | anyone know how to give virtualbox access to a shared folder if its owned by a certain user? keeps givin me access denied on windows |
| 04:15.24 | vyadhaka | un214: sorry I am not really that familiar with windows networking. what I mean is the data transfer encrypted? or do I have to got the ssh port forward way? |
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| 04:15.49 | un214 | the data is not encrypted, and the protocol cannot be port forwarded through ssh |
| 04:16.40 | fry20 | un214: Is the same true about NFS and ssh forwarding? |
| 04:17.04 | un214 | NFS is not encrypted but can be port-forwarded with the right config options |
| 04:17.26 | vyadhaka | un214: so it is only good for LAN data transfers anything over the net has to be in a VPN |
| 04:17.27 | un214 | in particular, not requiring root source port for NFS |
| 04:17.37 | un214 | that's right vyadhaka |
| 04:17.58 | fry20 | un214: thanks, that's what I thought |
| 04:18.05 | rooks | fry20, oh dear, gentoo... been there... then arch, then ubuntu, but now is time to move on since they constantly make less sense with each release :P |
| 04:18.54 | un214 | I jumped from ubuntu to debian over upstart |
| 04:19.33 | fry20 | rooks: I was awesome (especially since I'm a customization freak!), but it required way too much time for maintenance... :) |
| 04:19.37 | jpinx | wonders where scp exists in PuTTY |
| 04:19.47 | fry20 | rooks: *It was awesome |
| 04:19.56 | simonlnu | i purged an ubuntu install i had over upstart. SEGV on boot up? like wtf. |
| 04:20.00 | un214 | jpinx: psftp |
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| 04:20.07 | un214 | or pagent |
| 04:20.13 | forgotten | i like mint |
| 04:20.13 | rooks | fry20, oh, i thought you ment awesome-wm :P :) |
| 04:20.30 | jpinx | un214: thanks - looking,,, |
| 04:20.39 | rooks | bbl yall, thanks for all :) |
| 04:20.58 | un214 | upgrade might be about to hose X |
| 04:21.00 | un214 | ... |
| 04:21.04 | fry20 | jpinx: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.62/htmldoc/Chapter5.html#pscp |
| 04:21.14 | un214 | nope |
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| 04:22.04 | un214 | going down for reboot with new kernel |
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| 04:22.16 | jpinx | fry20: thanks |
| 04:22.39 | fry20 | you're welcome |
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| 04:26.42 | un214 | so what would you expect in a "Program Files" directory under a user's home directory? |
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| 04:27.12 | un214 | oh wait that should have been in offtopic |
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| 04:33.15 | jnewt | $echo $SHELL /bin/sh $echo $HISTFILE $ |
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| 04:33.32 | jnewt | why have i lost my history? |
| 04:34.30 | robin_sz | wonders about RTS and CTS on Debian linux |
| 04:34.36 | robin_sz | serial ports .. grr |
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| 04:36.16 | robin_sz | why is the termios flag CRTSCTS not defined in Linux ?? |
| 04:37.24 | fry20 | jnewt: Obviously you didn't lose your history file (isn't it still there? Try "cat ~/.bash_history"), but the environmental variable HISTFILE was unset... |
| 04:37.40 | fry20 | jnewt: strange! |
| 04:37.50 | Tramp | sh has no HISTFILE. bash has |
| 04:38.26 | fry20 | jnewt: strange! maybe because you are using sh, not bash? (sh is actually bash in sh-compitibility mode in most systems) |
| 04:38.33 | jnewt | fry: looks like i got changed from bash to sh somehow. chsh -s /bin/bash doesn't change $SHELL |
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| 04:39.05 | jnewt | thought that was correct to get back, but guessed it would set $SHELL to /bin/bash |
| 04:39.06 | prince_jammys | you likely need to re-login. |
| 04:39.09 | fry20 | s/compit/compat |
| 04:40.46 | un214 | I have /bin/sh -> dash |
| 04:40.47 | jnewt | prince_jammys: logout / logged on, $SHELL still /bin/sh |
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| 04:41.33 | un214 | try editing /etc/passwd |
| 04:42.12 | jnewt | un214: i have sh -> dash |
| 04:42.24 | un214 | incidentally, dash, bash, ksh are acceptable links for /bin/sh |
| 04:42.25 | prince_jammys | that's normal in debian/ |
| 04:42.27 | un214 | csh is not |
| 04:43.51 | jnewt | un214: fixed, thanks |
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| 04:44.20 | un214 | I got too used to chsh not working |
| 04:45.41 | simonlnu | fry20: in debian sh is dash by default |
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| 04:47.11 | Jayro | <Jayro> hello, i am trying to compile alsa on debian stable and am gettting this error: make: *** [install-headers] Error 1 |
| 04:47.11 | Jayro | , what headers does it want? and where can i get them? |
| 04:47.31 | simonlnu | installer-headers is a make target |
| 04:47.34 | simonlnu | install* |
| 04:48.12 | phenom | question: What is the best way to sync desktop environments? I'd like to have the same spitting image across multiple pc's. rsync/csync home dir? |
| 04:48.13 | simonlnu | without more info, you won't get much more |
| 04:48.25 | fry20 | simonlnu: Sorry, I forgot about dash |
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| 04:52.50 | karlpinc | phenom: You could use rsync. You could use drdb. You could use something else. Kinda depends. Also kinda won't work unless the software is all more or less synched as well because config files change as versions change. |
| 04:53.16 | karlpinc | phenom: Might be eaiser to use vnc, or X. |
| 04:54.14 | phiscribe | maybe puppet |
| 04:54.20 | phiscribe | to sync |
| 04:54.34 | phenom | karlpinc: Yea, I'd consider it if it weren't so slow. I travel and internet can be sketchy at best. |
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| 04:54.55 | karlpinc | phenom: Usb stick? |
| 04:55.01 | phiscribe | or some kinda roaming profile like active directory |
| 04:55.24 | phenom | karlpinc: I have one yes. :) ? |
| 04:55.32 | phiscribe | or that funny distro, joomla...or something, they have some kinda mechanism for syncing |
| 04:55.38 | karlpinc | phenom: Put your home directory on it. |
| 04:55.42 | phenom | oh |
| 04:55.51 | phenom | right. |
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| 04:56.09 | phiscribe | not joomla ugg, (thats on my mind) jolicloud i meant |
| 04:56.31 | phenom | csync seems specialized in syncing home dirs |
| 04:56.41 | phenom | I'll check out yall's recommendations. |
| 04:56.56 | phenom | Never heard of jolicloud |
| 04:57.08 | phiscribe | its a funny distro |
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| 04:57.37 | phiscribe | but the desktop follows you from device to device, they even have devices in the cloud |
| 04:58.24 | phiscribe | so they have some mechanism for storing all that user setting stuff, not sure how they do it, but could apply to other distro's |
| 04:58.58 | simonlnu | joolma, the security issue ridden cms |
| 04:58.59 | phiscribe | if you have chromium or chrome, you can try the desktop via your browser |
| 04:59.03 | simonlnu | joomla even |
| 04:59.47 | phiscribe | and i guess teh distro is called joli os, not cloud |
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| 04:59.53 | drac_h | joomla has pretty good one-click update plugin |
| 05:00.17 | phenom | I haven't seen a security disclosure for it in at least a week. :) |
| 05:00.20 | drac_h | it takes about 2 minutes to login and update throug webadmin |
| 05:00.34 | drac_h | +h |
| 05:01.40 | drac_h | and joomla 1.7 seems way more solid in coding style and exception handling |
| 05:02.48 | drac_h | I last updated joomla 2 weeks ago. just checked, no security updates since |
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| 05:07.13 | phiscribe | well i meant to say joli not joomla, ive used joomla drupal and e107 cms's, all have +'s and -'s |
| 05:07.52 | phiscribe | as long as we are just jawin hehe |
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| 05:38.54 | mactimes | Hey there. Is wx-console for bacula missing from official debian repositories? |
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| 05:42.20 | lasers | mactimes: Try "dpkg -L bacula" |
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| 05:43.06 | mactimes | lasers ?? Bacula is installed. In fact, I'm about to remove it to get the latest version from the project page now. |
| 05:43.15 | jnewt | lenny to squeeze upgrade broke samba :( |
| 05:43.47 | lasers | mactimes: You said wx-console. "dpkg -L bacula" will list everything. You could try "dpkg -L bacula | grep bin" or "dpkg -L bacula | grep console" |
| 05:44.10 | lasers | To see if it's part of bacula, according to debian. |
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| 05:51.26 | jnewt | upgrade wiped samba users out |
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| 05:51.50 | k-man | whenever I try and install something using aptitude, I get an error like: No candidate version found for atftpd I pasted more details here: http://pastie.org/3094256 |
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| 05:52.22 | k-man | any idea what I have misconfigured? |
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| 05:56.07 | phiscribe | k-man i am thinking your sources.list is the problem |
| 05:57.48 | k-man | phiscribe, which part though? it looks ok to me |
| 05:58.53 | phiscribe | i crashed my browser, 1 sec |
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| 05:59.56 | k-man | maybe I need to change wheezy to unstable in the sources.list |
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| 06:00.55 | phiscribe | whats in the file /etc/apt/preferences maybe something is pinned |
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| 06:03.14 | phiscribe | also, you got stable and whezzy refrences mixed |
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| 06:06.46 | k-man | I pasted preferences below in that paste |
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| 06:09.29 | phiscribe | stable is i think the same as sqeeze now, wheezy is testing, you have mixed sourceces for both, probably gonna give you problems |
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| 06:09.57 | phiscribe | chanbge it all to stable (sqeeze) or all to testing (wheezye) |
| 06:10.11 | phiscribe | dnot brka fro tpyos |
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| 06:14.26 | SVNDR | will typing 'who' in the terminal show a list of all active people on the server? |
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| 06:15.49 | phiscribe | should |
| 06:15.52 | phiscribe | man who |
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| 06:17.52 | SVNDR | phiscribe: thanks |
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| 06:20.26 | k-man | phiscribe, thanks |
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| 06:20.39 | k-man | phiscribe, I have to run now but I'll investigate further later |
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| 06:34.53 | Omega11 | hello |
| 06:35.01 | Omega11 | linux is a piece of shit i prefer microsoft windows |
| 06:35.01 | yagoo | hi |
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| 06:36.37 | Omega11 | what do u have to say about that |
| 06:36.47 | yagoo | !ops Omega11 |
| 06:36.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: yagoo complains about: Omega11 |
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| 06:37.16 | Omega11 | !ops yagoo |
| 06:37.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: omega11 complains about: yagoo |
| 06:37.25 | Omega11 | i can complain about your stupid ass too |
| 06:37.27 | Corey | Omega11: Give it a rest please. |
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| 06:38.01 | Omega11 | no windows is better |
| 06:38.25 | Corey | Omega11: This isn't an advocacy channel, please take the OS wars elsewhere. :-) |
| 06:38.47 | Omega11 | Corey: I don't care windows is better |
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| 06:38.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o Corey] by Corey |
| 06:39.09 | Corey | Ooh, beaten by a whisker. |
| 06:39.15 | yagoo | Corey you could do it faster next time ;) |
| 06:39.18 | fry20 | Omega11: OK, whatever, windows is better, now what do YOU want on the #debian channel? Can we help you in any way? |
| 06:39.23 | Corey | yagoo: I didn't do it this time. :-) |
| 06:39.38 | yagoo | lol.. seasonal 5 second forgiveness is too long lol |
| 06:39.42 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:39.52 | yagoo | i think i laughed more than twice |
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| 06:47.21 | SVNDR | any terminal command to show where the server is based? as in location? |
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| 06:49.18 | somiaj | SVNDR: sometimes whois gives info on where the ip is registered. But I cannot think of anything that gives you server location. You can also say look at the timezone setting. |
| 06:50.00 | SVNDR | somiaj: thanks, i already know where it is based, i was just wondering for pure self amusement lol |
| 06:54.51 | simonlnu | should have given it a "!better" :P |
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| 07:23.18 | qdb | hello. aptitude search sensorsd do not found anything. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sensord http://linux.die.net/man/8/sensord |
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| 07:24.03 | qdb | ok i misspelled |
| 07:24.14 | jnewt | Error message:Potential ALSA version problem: |
| 07:24.14 | jnewt | VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). |
| 07:24.14 | jnewt | Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. |
| 07:24.26 | jnewt | sorry for flood. |
| 07:24.59 | jnewt | i tried apt-get install alsa-lib, but unable to locate package. |
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| 07:25.20 | jnewt | this is on squeeze, you'd think the sound would just work.... |
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| 07:25.49 | thisthat | if i want to go FROM wheezy to squeeze am i looking at a lot of work? |
| 07:25.57 | jnewt | yes |
| 07:26.07 | simonlnu | alsa-lib is in-kernel. unless it's talking about the userspace libraries. |
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| 07:27.08 | jnewt | simonlnu: that's all i have, and wouldn't mind just hiding the error, but i have no sound |
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| 07:27.56 | simonlnu | alsamixer, is it working at all? how about aplay -l ? what that show? |
| 07:28.13 | yagoo | thisthat, probably more work than if you stayed on wheezy/sid to wheezy |
| 07:29.06 | yagoo | !downgrade |
| 07:29.06 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 07:29.50 | thisthat | figured |
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| 07:30.25 | yagoo | thisthat, do you use reportbug? |
| 07:30.38 | yagoo | thisthat, your work can be helpful if you give feedback |
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| 07:31.49 | jnewt | simonlnu, aplay: device_list:235: no soundcards found... |
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| 07:32.56 | simonlnu | lsmod show any drivers loaded? grep for snd |
| 07:34.04 | jnewt | long list of stuff shows up, all snd_..., realtek, intel, codecs, midi this and pcm that |
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| 07:34.45 | simonlnu | looks like it may not have found your sound device, if it loaded various main drivers like that |
| 07:35.03 | jnewt | it's on the mobo!!! |
| 07:35.14 | yagoo | jnewt, look into making a ~/.asoundrc file |
| 07:35.26 | simonlnu | so what *is* on the mobo? |
| 07:35.35 | nevyn | that won't help if the kernel doesn't recognise the card |
| 07:35.48 | yagoo | jnewt, when i had two sound chipsets and never used the onboard, i simply blacklisted the onboard module.. |
| 07:35.55 | nevyn | run lspci and look for something labeled "audio" or multimedia |
| 07:35.55 | simonlnu | lspci -nn please |
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| 07:36.01 | jnewt | simonlnu: the sound module |
| 07:36.05 | _ramo | hi |
| 07:36.05 | simonlnu | ... |
| 07:36.24 | phenom | Problem: Network share folders, sshfs and smb etc don't show in Nautilus when I select files/folders. Question: What the deuce? |
| 07:36.35 | phenom | Where do they mount to? |
| 07:36.36 | _ramo | i have a virtual machine running on my host system. how can i mount the host system (or a folder of the host system) to the virtual machine? |
| 07:37.01 | phenom | .gvfs doesn't display anything |
| 07:37.05 | jnewt | simonlu: nvidia corporation mcp61 high definition audio rev a2 |
| 07:37.13 | yagoo | phenom, that's dbus.. you're probably missing package addons for nautilus (gvfs uses it's userspace mountpoints separate from /etc/fstab) |
| 07:37.48 | simonlnu | jnewt: that's not what i asked for |
| 07:37.48 | yagoo | phenom, or if you do have nautilus with the supposed capability, then it's a dbus policy setting issue |
| 07:38.11 | yagoo | phenom, check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:38.12 | jnewt | oh, that's for you nevyn |
| 07:38.15 | phenom | yagoo: Recommendation? I'm not familiar with dbus |
| 07:38.23 | phenom | ok |
| 07:38.31 | yagoo | phenom, dbus policies are a pita.. i'm actually still learning it |
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| 07:39.47 | jnewt | simonlnu: Ok, I see the output from lspci -nn what do you need to know? i could pastebin it |
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| 07:40.40 | simonlnu | the numbers like XXXX:YYYY only |
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| 07:41.04 | nevyn | for the audio card |
| 07:41.11 | jnewt | for the audio device, it's 10de:03f0 |
| 07:41.52 | phenom | yagoo: I'm afraid I'm still stuck. |
| 07:41.52 | nevyn | should be snd-hda-intel by the smell of it. |
| 07:42.44 | phenom | yagoo: My whole thing is, I'm trying to send all of my downloaded files to a network share, but when I try to select the download folder in transmission,, firefox or anything else I can't find the damn shares. |
| 07:42.51 | nevyn | jnewt: what kernel version are you running? |
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| 07:43.15 | simonlnu | ,pciid 10de:03f0 |
| 07:43.16 | judd | [10de:03f0] is 'MCP61 High Definition Audio' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03f0 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 07:43.23 | phenom | Even though I can see the shares mounted on the left sidebar under places |
| 07:43.30 | yagoo | phenom, smbclient -L \\<host> -u?name? (see smbclient, install it-- you can use smbclient to probe) |
| 07:43.39 | jnewt | nevyn: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 or -amd64, i've tried both |
| 07:43.41 | wallee | babilen: hi ;-) |
| 07:43.43 | jnewt | 686 right now |
| 07:44.07 | yagoo | phenom, the server is samba? (you can even run smbclient on the server side) |
| 07:44.20 | nevyn | simonlnu: ooh that's neat. |
| 07:44.27 | _ramo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.30 | yagoo | phenom, ? you see the shares? |
| 07:44.33 | phenom | yagoo: Right, I can access them just fine. |
| 07:44.36 | simonlnu | jnewt: snd-hda-intel is the one that should be loaded, not that snd-*-realtek stuff |
| 07:44.44 | simonlnu | nevyn: quite :) |
| 07:44.55 | yagoo | simonlnu, can't he just use an ~/.asoundrc file? |
| 07:45.20 | phenom | yagoo: So they are mounted, but when I want to say, select a download file in a torrent client, they don't display, and I don't know where they mount to. |
| 07:45.22 | wallee | babilen: the tool you send to me is work fine, i can use it to fuck GFW, so can visit some website, which can not access directly in china |
| 07:45.27 | wallee | babilen: thanks |
| 07:45.36 | yagoo | phenom, btw.. i gave up relying sshfs long time ago.. dunno if its any stabler nowadays |
| 07:45.50 | phenom | yagoo: Quite buggy still |
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| 07:46.01 | simonlnu | jnewt: i'd suggest modprobe -r the other ones first, try the audio again. might want to do alsa `force-reload' after you've removed those other useless drivers from the kernel |
| 07:46.13 | yagoo | phenom, i simply either use sftp or filezilla for sftp transfers.. |
| 07:46.18 | phenom | yagoo: Any idea where in the file system sshfs, or smb shares mount to default? |
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| 07:46.31 | yagoo | phenom, i don't understand your question :/ |
| 07:46.33 | simonlnu | yagoo: yes, well, best to get this sorted out before he goes to make an .asoundrc. that won't take care of module loading. |
| 07:46.40 | yagoo | simonlnu, cool |
| 07:46.48 | yagoo | likes to see productive help |
| 07:46.50 | yagoo | :) |
| 07:47.05 | yagoo | i think you ops killed all the grinches :) |
| 07:47.24 | phenom | yagoo: ok, when you mount a hd it links to /media |
| 07:47.32 | yagoo | phenom, btw.. i got confused starting when you started mentioning something about a torrent |
| 07:47.34 | phenom | where would the network share link to? |
| 07:47.53 | yagoo | phenom, ya.. that's dbus stuff.. |
| 07:48.30 | simonlnu | jnewt: by removing from the kernel, i mean from the kernel's memory (which is the modprobe -r), not from the /lib/modules dirs ;). |
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| 07:49.00 | yagoo | phenom, what torrent client is it ? did you check the torrent client? |
| 07:49.08 | yagoo | phenom, ps aux|grep -i torr |
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| 07:49.39 | jnewt | so i need to do modprobe -r |
| 07:49.55 | yagoo | jnewt, that's equivalent to rmmod |
| 07:50.08 | kleanchap | I purchased a CD and want to extract it into mp3 so I can load it to my iPhone. I tried Sound Juicer and I am getting the following error message: "Reason: Failed to create output directory:" |
| 07:50.28 | simonlnu | sort of yes, it's a little 'smarter' than a simpler rmmod |
| 07:50.29 | phenom | yagoo: I'm using transmission, but it's not a transmission problem, it's Nautilus. I'll try to send a few snapshots. |
| 07:50.36 | jnewt | doesn't it need another parameter, like what to remove, is it the xxxx:yyyy number? or the snd_realtek thing |
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| 07:50.48 | simonlnu | snd_realtek |
| 07:50.54 | phenom | yagoo: 25851 0.0 0.0 7772 876 pts/1 R+ 02:50 0:00 grep --colour=auto -i torr |
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| 07:51.23 | simonlnu | whatever you saw in lsmod basically, excluding stuff like snd_pcm, _midi, _mixer, etc |
| 07:51.28 | useall | x |
| 07:51.35 | yagoo | phenom, maybe it tries to place something in the systray but you dont have a systray applet |
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| 07:52.20 | phenom | yagoo: Yea, it does. I'm afraid I haven't explained the problem well enough. |
| 07:52.29 | phenom | Or in your language heh. |
| 07:52.32 | its_me | Hi, any idea when Debian (stable) will support Gnome 3? |
| 07:52.34 | simonlnu | "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" -- A.S.R. |
| 07:52.51 | simonlnu | its_me: never. not squeeze anyway. |
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| 07:53.18 | yagoo | phenom, i had this problem with quicksynergy.. when i chose to minimize it.. it disappered.. you sure transmission doesnt have a systray feature? i dont use any torrents on linux |
| 07:53.21 | its_me | simonlnu: never? |
| 07:53.35 | its_me | do debian folks hate Gnome 3? |
| 07:53.39 | simonlnu | wheezy will, not squeeze. |
| 07:53.58 | jnewt | simonlu: the top line was snd_hda_codec_realtek, and modprobe gives fatal error when i try to -r it |
| 07:54.05 | simonlnu | get familiar with how stable works, and you can avoid saying ignorant things |
| 07:54.07 | its_me | okay, so how long will it be before wheezy releases? |
| 07:54.15 | nevyn | its_me: stable never gets new software only bugfixes for software that was in it at release |
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| 07:54.26 | simonlnu | its_me: some have said june 2012 |
| 07:54.26 | nevyn | its_me: WIR |
| 07:54.31 | jnewt | http://pastie.org/3094636 |
| 07:54.41 | nevyn | its_me: also when there are no rc bugs. |
| 07:54.44 | yagoo | phenom, btw, if you need to specialize "file type" associations from nautilus.. (like your own custom rt-click context) there's nautilus-actions |
| 07:55.11 | yagoo | phenom, well actually not file-type associations, but more about rt-click context specialization |
| 07:55.20 | its_me | okay. Hey, so Debian doesn't support Gnome 3... does that mean Ubuntu doesn't support Gnome 3 either? |
| 07:55.35 | simonlnu | jnewt: what fatal error? |
| 07:55.56 | yagoo | its_me, is gnome3 released yet? last i checked it was beta |
| 07:55.59 | simonlnu | its_me: ubuntu is irrelevant to debian policy |
| 07:56.41 | its_me | yagoo: when did you last check it? I thought it's stable when I installed a month ago! |
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| 07:57.08 | jnewt | simonlnu: FATAL: Module snd_hda_codec_realtek is in use |
| 07:57.13 | simonlnu | its_me: gnome3 is only in wheezy/sid/experimental right now, and nowhere near completion upstream, never mind in debian |
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| 07:57.31 | simonlnu | jnewt: kill whatever's using it (lsof /dev/snd/) |
| 07:57.52 | simonlnu | jnewt: which is why i suggested `alsa force-reload' |
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| 07:58.13 | simonlnu | but, it'll reload the realtek stuff doing that, without removing it first |
| 07:59.01 | phenom | yagoo: http://i44.tinypic.com/1hxfsh.png |
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| 07:59.56 | phenom | yagoo: if you look, my sftp/smb shares display properly in nautilus, but I can't see them when I try to select a file or the like. |
| 08:00.04 | yagoo | phenom, you're transmission window shows up in the panel.. i suppose you um have transmission associated with .torrents, correct? |
| 08:01.05 | phenom | yagoo: yes |
| 08:01.14 | yagoo | phenom, try moving the mouse on the horiz divider.. (it's tricky).. then try to drag that divider.. |
| 08:01.29 | yagoo | phenom, you have to get that mouse "caret".. if this is what needs to be done.. |
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| 08:01.58 | yagoo | phenom, trickier than a trick hat.. |
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| 08:03.35 | yagoo | phenom, or try moving the bottom panel to the top.. i think i've seen a similar bug like this in konqueror.. |
| 08:03.53 | yagoo | phenom, perhaps nautilus might not have this bug.. |
| 08:04.21 | yagoo | phenom, i would ask on #gnome .. this may be a bug |
| 08:04.29 | jnewt | simonlnu: i tried sudo kill 2189 (hd-audio0), but lsof | grep audio still shows the pid for hd-audio0 alive, and says readlink: permission denied |
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| 08:05.11 | phenom | yagoo: Ok, I'll give it a shot, I appreciate your time. |
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| 08:05.30 | jnewt | and then b/c i can't kill it, i can't delete the codec right? |
| 08:05.32 | yagoo | phenom, it's ok |
| 08:05.58 | yagoo | phenom, btw are those um sftp /smb bookmarked? |
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| 08:06.50 | simonlnu | jnewt: yeh well that's a kernel thread |
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| 08:06.59 | yagoo | got a little sidetracked by the crazy new guis of the day |
| 08:07.16 | phenom | yagoo: Yes, one is. |
| 08:07.51 | simonlnu | jnewt: you'll need to blacklist it in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist_local.conf for example, reboot, then fix your hda-intel (which should once the realtek is blacklisted) |
| 08:07.57 | simonlnu | !blacklist |
| 08:07.57 | dpkg | In lenny and later, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 08:08.06 | simonlnu | jnewt: ^^^ |
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| 08:09.59 | jnewt | not for the faint of heart, this linux |
| 08:10.06 | yagoo | lol |
| 08:10.17 | yagoo | hey hey hey.. either asoundrc or blacklist it :) |
| 08:11.04 | jnewt | from that link above, is that one the only one i need to blacklist? |
| 08:11.17 | yagoo | phenom, gnome's dialog box is pretty much related to the one and only nautilus.. |
| 08:11.20 | jnewt | there's a lot of stuff on there |
| 08:11.25 | yagoo | phenom, ,/open dialog box/ |
| 08:13.10 | yagoo | phenom, you can open gtk apps in a kde desktop environment.. you simply just have to say you open an "open dialog box" with this app, and most folks can tell if its using the gtk or kde libraries |
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| 08:16.40 | simonlnu | jnewt: the realtek yes |
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| 08:17.08 | simonlnu | yagoo: asoundrc won't prevent the module from loading. udev would load it up |
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| 08:17.34 | shellox | hey, anyone run redis here? I compiled it myself and I'm looking for an prebuild initscript. |
| 08:18.24 | yagoo | simonlnu, i thought you can set a default card to use for pcm.. couldnt that solve the problem? |
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| 08:19.02 | simonlnu | normally, if the devices don't conflict, which is what i'm thinking is going on |
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| 08:19.11 | simonlnu | erm, drivers, not devices |
| 08:20.09 | jnewt | simonlnu: i don't have blacklist_local.conf as the instructions show. i do have two that start with alsa, one linux-sound-base_noOSS.conf and a standard blacklist.conf i'd guess the last one, but have no way to know |
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| 08:20.46 | simonlnu | um that was a example, and it's expected you make your own file. it has to end in .conf though |
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| 08:21.45 | willwh | hi guys, I have 1.5 hour duration ogg |
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| 08:23.08 | jnewt | ok, saved and rebooting...fingers crossed |
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| 08:28.42 | jnewt | no sound! the realtek codec i put in the file is gone from the lsmod | grep snd output, apparently that's not the issue |
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| 08:30.48 | yagoo | !codec |
| 08:30.49 | dpkg | A codec (portmanteau of "compressor-decompressor") is a program or device used to encode/decode a data stream or signal. Ask me about <libavcodec>, <w32codecs>. |
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| 08:31.10 | yagoo | jnewt, codec is not a hardware driver i believe.. |
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| 08:33.04 | fry20 | quick question: Do the Debian installation CDs (netinstall or CD#1) include the netcat command, if I drop to a console? |
| 08:33.13 | jnewt | so i blacklisted something that didn't need to be blacklisted? should i undo it (delete that line from the file i put it in or delete the file? I just want the sound to work... |
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| 08:33.47 | nevyn | yagoo: a codec in the context of snd-hda-intel (the audio driver) is the bit connected to the actual analog input/output jacks in the outside world |
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| 08:35.16 | jnewt | nevyn: so what? blacklist it? it doesn't matter? |
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| 08:36.14 | ws2k3 | sometimes my mysql server cant accept new connections and he is taking 80 % CPU what may cause this |
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| 08:37.30 | yagoo | ws2k3, you mean "it's" lol |
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| 08:37.53 | yagoo | ws2k3, hackers can cause that |
| 08:37.59 | jnewt | ws2k3: persistant connections can cause this. turn it off |
| 08:38.16 | ws2k3 | persistant connections? |
| 08:38.23 | ws2k3 | mysql is closed from the outside. |
| 08:38.27 | jnewt | ws2k3: also improperly indexed tables |
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| 08:39.09 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 08:39.32 | jnewt | doesn't matter where the connections are coming from. also, are you using innodb tables? |
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| 08:40.00 | ws2k3 | i dont know just default settings |
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| 08:40.35 | jnewt | there are a ton of things you can do to track that down. start with --log-slow queries =~/somefileyoumake.txt |
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| 08:41.10 | jnewt | --log-slow-queries=~/somefile.txt |
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| 08:43.54 | jnewt | change key_buffer_size to 30% of available ram if it's not at this or higher, then re-run. 25% for mysiam is enough |
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| 08:49.38 | jnewt | apparently some people need to install a higher level kernel to get sound, could this be my problem |
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| 08:50.01 | simonlnu | jnewt: is this a new(-ish) machine? |
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| 08:51.12 | nevyn | simonlnu: the hda-intel driver has had extensive work in recent kernels. in particular codec configuration/detection has gotten much much better |
| 08:51.28 | simonlnu | ah ok. |
| 08:51.33 | jnewt | simonlnu: not really, amd64 dual core |
| 08:51.39 | jnewt | 2gb ram |
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| 08:51.57 | simonlnu | nonetheless what nevyn said might be worth a try |
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| 08:52.02 | jnewt | still has sata 3g max |
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| 08:52.23 | simonlnu | heh, i don't have pci-e nor sata here ;) |
| 08:52.45 | jnewt | i only have 2 sata 3Gb/s on this box. my desktop is a monster though :) |
| 08:52.55 | jnewt | still shiny |
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| 08:54.30 | jnewt | can't i just get new drivers for the audio? a new kernel seems a bit overboard for a sound issue |
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| 08:57.41 | blubberdiblub | !new alsa |
| 08:57.41 | dpkg | To compile newer <ALSA> drivers for your running kernel (not applicable to Lenny/2.6.26): first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your ALSA drivers. |
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| 08:57.55 | blubberdiblub | you could try that |
| 08:58.11 | nevyn | but new is very relative. |
| 08:58.16 | blubberdiblub | yes |
| 08:58.20 | nevyn | in that the alsa drivers above are from jan this year |
| 08:58.27 | nevyn | and the kernel is only from july last year |
| 08:58.35 | nevyn | so it's 6 months newer than what you have |
| 08:58.47 | nevyn | but nearly 12 months old from a current development pov |
| 08:59.40 | jnewt | wtf, do i have some odd-ball one off motherboard that just happens to have a strange audio module that there haven't been drivers for in the 4 years it's been out? |
| 09:00.09 | jnewt | this is some shenanigans for sure |
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| 09:00.52 | nevyn | jnewt: HDA intel is implementation specific |
| 09:01.00 | nevyn | not only are there about 40 codec chips |
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| 09:01.15 | nevyn | but the wiring of those codec chips to physical jacks is implementation specific |
| 09:01.43 | jnewt | implementation specific? like implemented on a computer or like "implemented on this part number of motherboard" |
| 09:02.10 | jnewt | ima see if i hava sound card somewhere |
| 09:02.20 | nevyn | this motherboard |
| 09:02.33 | nevyn | model and sometimes revision |
| 09:02.40 | nevyn | the sucky bit is. |
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| 09:03.26 | nevyn | the mapping of pin complexes (codec pins) to jacks is supposed to be in acpi tables |
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| 09:03.43 | nevyn | but because the implementer also writes a driver they're never used and often wrong |
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| 09:07.23 | jnewt | i have a usb to audio 3D sound thing, know what i'm talking about? |
| 09:08.28 | nevyn | nope |
| 09:08.48 | jnewt | http://www.amazon.com/External-Adapter-Desktop-Notebook-Laptop/dp/B0019SVUQK |
| 09:09.58 | nevyn | how on earth is that a 5.1 device? |
| 09:10.52 | nevyn | unless it's using the 3.5mm optical format in the headphone socket |
| 09:11.16 | jnewt | no idea, i don't need 5.1 |
| 09:11.41 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 09:12.01 | jnewt | probably have to reboot right? no plug-and play? |
| 09:12.01 | nevyn | the usb card will justwork |
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| 09:12.43 | nevyn | well if you unload snd-hda-intel first if it's notworking then plugin the card it should all work |
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| 09:13.21 | jnewt | can't unload, have to blacklist and reboot right? can't i just select the new one somewhere? |
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| 09:15.45 | jnewt | i'm just curious, not trying to knock debian, but doesn't this seem rediculous to have to do all this to get sound? i haven't had this much trouble getting a piece of hardware to work since 1995 (windows) |
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| 09:17.41 | nevyn | why can't you unload |
| 09:18.10 | jnewt | maybe i just don't know how, i thought we went over this, i can't kill the process |
| 09:18.18 | nevyn | what process? |
| 09:18.37 | jnewt | 2187 , the hd audio |
| 09:18.43 | nevyn | what's the process name |
| 09:19.40 | jnewt | oooh, i have a snd_usb_audio now, how do i use it? |
| 09:20.06 | innociv | Um. |
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| 09:20.19 | innociv | So earlier I was asking about ftp, and everyone said to use sftp instead |
| 09:21.54 | innociv | But ... I don't see anything about controlling usage with sftp. |
| 09:22.04 | innociv | Or database users. I have to make a linux user |
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| 09:24.25 | debian | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 09:24.25 | dpkg | no, stupid debian |
| 09:24.40 | nyuszika7h | :P |
| 09:25.07 | innociv | Lol |
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| 09:28.30 | nevyn | jnewt: aplay -D plughw:1 somewavfile |
| 09:28.32 | nevyn | should work |
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| 09:29.10 | jnewt | wavfile? do people still have those :) |
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| 09:31.44 | jnewt | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card aplay: main:654: audio open error: no such file or directory |
| 09:31.48 | jnewt | i used an mp3 |
| 09:32.16 | jnewt | i only have mp3 and flac |
| 09:33.28 | jnewt | oooh, run as root and i get fuzz from the speakers |
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| 09:43.12 | jnewt | what is the quickest way for me to get sound working on my machine? |
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| 09:43.53 | innociv | Hook up a monkey with those gold things. |
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| 09:44.06 | jnewt | what? |
| 09:45.05 | handygandy | Does anyone know where the debian source code repository is? |
| 09:45.38 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, if you used an mp3 with aplay, it's normal that you get noise. but that's good. so you seem to have sound now |
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| 09:46.12 | jnewt | i don't have sound. |
| 09:46.38 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, then what did you mean by "fuzz"? |
| 09:46.39 | jnewt | i have noise |
| 09:46.50 | blubberdiblub | noise is sound |
| 09:47.07 | jnewt | it's not working correctly. |
| 09:47.20 | rjcks | jnewt: are you in the audio group? -> "groups" will show you |
| 09:47.31 | jnewt | yes, that's step two of the faq |
| 09:47.32 | blubberdiblub | in which way is it not working correctly? |
| 09:47.46 | jnewt | if i play a movie i don't have sound |
| 09:48.07 | blubberdiblub | have you set up your playback program to play through the usb sound card? |
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| 09:50.52 | _ramo | hi |
| 09:51.03 | _ramo | i've converted my .img disk file to a .qcow2 format with the following command: qemu-img convert -f raw -O qcow2 yourdisk.img newdisk.qcow2 and edited the disk configuration via virsh edit DOMAINNAME to use the qcow2 file. after that i restared libvirt-bin and started my virtual machine. somehow i get now the following messasge in the console when starting the virtual machine: Boot failed: not a bootable disk No bootable device |
| 09:51.27 | jnewt | i don't know how, it's not listed, i have a bunch of stuff like alsa audio, unix oss audio pulseaudio, file audio, dummy audio, these don't correspond to either my nvidia onboard audio, or my usb audio, or they're really poorly labeled |
| 09:51.35 | jnewt | blubberdiblub, ^ |
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| 09:52.46 | blubberdiblub | select alsa and then put "plughw:1" into the device field (if plughw:1 worked earlier in the aplay command) |
| 09:53.27 | ws2k3 | anyone any idea why i get this error : PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626/ssh2.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626/ssh2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 09:53.37 | ws2k3 | in my apache2 logs |
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| 09:58.47 | jnewt | gives, sadly begins looking for windows cd |
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| 09:59.09 | nevyn | jnewt: so... you have two soundcards. |
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| 10:00.29 | jnewt | i have an onboard audio, and a usb audio, i wouldn't call either a "card" |
| 10:00.42 | simonlnu | that would explain the other module... |
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| 10:01.25 | simonlnu | maybe you plugged in the speakers the wrong way? |
| 10:02.11 | simonlnu | jnewt: ^^ |
| 10:02.50 | pksadiq | jnewt: checked man alsamixer?( sorry I don't know your real problem) |
| 10:03.01 | nvz | jnewt: yeah well under the circumstance I wouldnt calle either audio either.. heh |
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| 10:03.12 | jnewt | heh |
| 10:03.19 | simonlnu | HEH |
| 10:03.42 | nvz | one smart ass deserves another |
| 10:03.48 | nvz | looks like I showed up just in time |
| 10:03.49 | jnewt | the mixer fails to start from xfce |
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| 10:04.17 | simonlnu | jnewt: so what have you done since last we spoke? |
| 10:04.28 | simonlnu | just so i'm up to speed |
| 10:04.51 | jnewt | simonlnu: yeah, at first i tried to shove the audio jack into the usb port, and relized that was the wrong way, so i plugged it into the audio port. |
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| 10:05.46 | jnewt | simonlnu: i tried to use a usb audio, and i got some usb audio things show up , and aplay an mp3 output some noise, but not music |
| 10:06.51 | jnewt | aplay -D plughw:1 my.mp3 |
| 10:06.54 | simonlnu | did you try a newer kernel? a nice bpo kernel |
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| 10:07.58 | jnewt | no, i'm not changing kernel, i just upgraded kernel and distro version and it broke about 6 things, i've fixed about half of those, not starting over |
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| 10:08.12 | simonlnu | would avoid having you compile anything, and might work. ok |
| 10:08.32 | handygandy | mount -f -t tmpfs -onosuid,size=5242880,mode=755 tmpfs /lib/init/rw < /dev/null |
| 10:08.55 | simonlnu | um wrong indow? |
| 10:08.59 | simonlnu | win* |
| 10:09.12 | handygandy | Sorry. Hey my system keeps crashing during boot. That's command causing the crash |
| 10:09.41 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 10:09.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 10:10.10 | handygandy | Any idea what kind of curruption would cause that to crash? |
| 10:10.13 | simonlnu | jnewt: well, i need to go to sleep. i hope you figure it out. good luck |
| 10:10.22 | simonlnu | tmpfs is memory based |
| 10:13.35 | dr-evil | space near -onosuid ? |
| 10:14.00 | dr-evil | handygandy: space near -onosuid ? |
| 10:18.35 | handygandy | dr-evil: No. |
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| 10:19.15 | handygandy | Keep in mind the same command worked many many times, and still works today for many many people. |
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| 10:22.56 | nvz | handygandy: being a suicide bomber has worked for many people too, but that doesn't make me wanna do it :-P |
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| 10:25.04 | skorzen | Hi everyone. |
| 10:25.12 | skorzen | Have anyone experienced this on past? http://pastebin.com/WYywidsY |
| 10:25.26 | skorzen | Getting authentication errors almost every second. |
| 10:25.30 | skorzen | My setup is using winbind. |
| 10:25.33 | Argafal | hi. I'm trying to solve a problem with an audio codec that is used in my browser/the flash plugin. Audio output is overlayed with some blobbing noise (sample: http://www.argafal.de/public/audiodump.ogg ). It however does not effect all audio, so it seems a certain codec (not sure which one or how to trace it back) is affected. Does anyone have any idea? Happens on two independent Debian machines, one with testing, one with unstable. |
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| 10:53.16 | dutchfish | hi, trying to update wheezy after long while because i wanted to expiriment with newer packages, i got this on a pretty straight forward install of a full KDE/wheezy envrienment. http://pastebin.com/tU1KNBB1 anyone can give me a clue how to solve this. Or is this a transient error being fixed soon? |
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| 10:55.54 | dr-evil | take a look to other solutions provided by aptitude |
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| 10:57.59 | dutchfish | dr-evil, any more hint that? all the lathernatives let me almost completely rmeove large parts of KDE. |
| 10:58.20 | dutchfish | dr-evil, unless i have missed something |
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| 11:00.48 | dutchfish | dr-evil, or is this an aptitude quirck? |
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| 11:01.06 | dutchfish | dr-evil, or is this an aptitude quirck? |
| 11:01.19 | dutchfish | sorry i had some lag |
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| 11:03.21 | streuner_ | dutchfish: just find out and try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:04.04 | dutchfish | streuner_, then my kde will be broken, not acceptable |
| 11:04.49 | streuner_ | dutchfish: i dont use KDE at the moment..., maybe ask somebody who use testing and KDE |
| 11:05.13 | dutchfish | streuner_, fair enough |
| 11:05.17 | streuner_ | dutchfish: #debian-kde for example, if nobody is here at the moment |
| 11:05.37 | dutchfish | streuner_, yup, i know the drill |
| 11:05.52 | dutchfish | thank you all ! |
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| 11:07.15 | streuner_ | dutchfish: i had the same situation in sid with GNOME 3.0 and 3.2, i had to remove almost everything first and install new packages, but i have no idea is KDE broken in testing or not... |
| 11:08.30 | dutchfish | streuner_, that was my primary goal to find out first ;) But still thanks for the replies |
| 11:09.03 | dutchfish | streuner_, might be transient as well |
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| 11:16.01 | ompaul | kde is not broken up to yesterday |
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| 11:16.53 | dutchfish | ompaul, i haven updated wheezy in a long while, and i am not suggesting that, merely asking if |
| 11:16.54 | ompaul | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade keeps me sane, I am under the impression that trying to resolve things (as aptitude does) is more likely to cause problems than using apt-get |
| 11:17.09 | ompaul | dutchfish: I'll do another d-u today (I do it most days) |
| 11:17.12 | ompaul | and I'm on SID |
| 11:17.31 | dutchfish | ompaul, ok, will give that a spin, thanks |
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| 11:17.50 | ompaul | you will want to do it from a terminal (as in not in X there are some fun things that happened) |
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| 11:18.19 | ompaul | I don't know how long ago you did yours |
| 11:18.52 | dutchfish | ompaul, mm... that keeps back libavcodec53 libavformat53, unless i force them |
| 11:19.10 | ompaul | dutchfish: dist-upgrade? |
| 11:19.18 | dutchfish | ompaul, yup |
| 11:19.43 | ompaul | hang about a minute |
| 11:20.15 | streuner_ | libavcodec53 is special :-) |
| 11:20.21 | dutchfish | ompaul, http://pastebin.com/prx3NsA7 |
| 11:20.53 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.55 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:20.58 | ompaul | so thats the first one |
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| 11:21.18 | ompaul | dutchfish: guess you are in for d-u and d-u again |
| 11:21.19 | streuner_ | amset:/tmp# apt-cache policy libavcodec53 |
| 11:21.20 | dym | I've just installed wheezy desktop and it came with gnome3 - is there any way i can revert to "gnome classic" aka 2 ? |
| 11:21.30 | streuner_ | 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid/main i386 Packages |
| 11:21.43 | ompaul | streuner_: please not a massice one |
| 11:21.47 | blackshirt | Dym.you can do it? |
| 11:21.48 | ompaul | massive pastebin |
| 11:22.06 | streuner_ | ompaul: 2 lines are ok here :-P |
| 11:22.10 | dym | blackshirt: what? |
| 11:22.12 | streuner_ | ompaul: no worries :-) |
| 11:22.31 | ompaul | dutchfish: go ahead you may need to d-u twice |
| 11:22.37 | ompaul | some other random dep in the wa y |
| 11:22.41 | dutchfish | ompaul, oki |
| 11:22.53 | blackshirt | Dym. I mean,you can do it |
| 11:23.41 | dym | blackshirt: howso? |
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| 11:23.48 | streuner_ | testing and unstable have GNOME 3 ... |
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| 11:23.55 | dym | indeed |
| 11:24.11 | dym | streuner_: still the question stands. can i go back to 2, or do i have to cope with uglyness? (: |
| 11:24.26 | streuner_ | no and yes :-) |
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| 11:24.33 | dym | why thank you |
| 11:24.38 | streuner_ | or you just reinstall stable |
| 11:24.46 | blackshirt | Dym.. Try to look gnome2 packages on repos,install it if you want |
| 11:25.08 | dutchfish | ompaul, since apt-get dist-upgrade still keeps them back, i forgot how to force this? |
| 11:25.24 | ompaul | dutchfish: first d-u complete? |
| 11:26.08 | dutchfish | ompaul, there is nothing in upgrade nor dist-upgrade to update except for the 2 packages there are hold back libavcodec53 libavformat53 |
| 11:26.35 | dutchfish | ompaul, see my first pastebin and second pastebin |
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| 11:27.11 | dutchfish | ompaul, for that aptitude and apt-get do agree on this one |
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| 11:27.54 | dutchfish | ompaul, and i use a clean debian repo, see the end of my first pastebin |
| 11:28.05 | ompaul | you could apt-get --ignore-missing but I would be loath to use force-yes |
| 11:28.37 | dutchfish | ompaul, so apt-get force-yes dist-upgrade |
| 11:28.39 | dutchfish | ? |
| 11:28.50 | ompaul | ah |
| 11:28.56 | ompaul | that would be maybe bad |
| 11:28.58 | ompaul | hang on a sec |
| 11:29.11 | dutchfish | ok, take you time |
| 11:29.17 | ompaul | ,versions libavformat53 |
| 11:29.19 | judd | Package: libavformat53 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4:0.7.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4:0.7.3-2; wheezy: 4:0.7.3-2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.8.7-0.0; sid-multimedia: 5:0.9-0.5 |
| 11:29.22 | blackshirt | Dutch-fist. --force-yes |
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| 11:29.53 | ompaul | dutchfish: what version have you got atm? |
| 11:30.09 | streuner_ | dutchfish, ompaul, both packages out of dmm changed many times... |
| 11:30.15 | streuner_ | IIRC |
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| 11:30.30 | ompaul | he may not be using dmm |
| 11:30.39 | streuner_ | heh |
| 11:30.50 | ompaul | it's not showing in the d-u |
| 11:30.53 | dutchfish | ompaul, this is what i curently have http://pastebin.com/UWc91EK0 |
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| 11:31.31 | streuner_ | dutchfish: apt-cache policy libavcodec53 and tell us where this package is from |
| 11:31.43 | dutchfish | ok, a sec |
| 11:33.06 | dutchfish | streuner_, http://pastebin.com/Gdwbdwh7 |
| 11:33.37 | streuner_ | hm |
| 11:33.59 | dutchfish | knows pretty well, not to mix up repos |
| 11:34.40 | dutchfish | hence my q |
| 11:34.46 | streuner_ | well, dmm never gave me serious headaches :-) |
| 11:35.02 | dutchfish | me neither, absolutely |
| 11:35.09 | ompaul | dutchfish: usually that is because it is sitting there waiting on some other dependency to upgrade |
| 11:35.29 | streuner_ | maybe its time to mix it :-P |
| 11:35.31 | dutchfish | ompaul, yup, the large part of the KDE envirenment |
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| 11:36.07 | dutchfish | sorry that was for streuner |
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| 11:37.00 | dutchfish | reinstall them in a one liner on an emptied apt cache? |
| 11:37.09 | ompaul | dutchfish: you have functioning libs atm - updating them may break something else |
| 11:37.16 | dutchfish | true |
| 11:37.20 | ompaul | I'd be inclined to look again in a day or two |
| 11:37.44 | ompaul | whatever is holding it will release, after all they change over time ;-) |
| 11:37.50 | dutchfish | ok, good suggestion, iĺl do that (i am patient guy); i just wanted to let you all know, just in case. |
| 11:38.14 | ompaul | dutchfish: you could kick the google repos out and see if it helped but I doubt it |
| 11:38.25 | dutchfish | already did that |
| 11:38.28 | ompaul | ah |
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| 11:40.26 | dutchfish | if i can resolve in a week, i will make a shadow of this machine and test it from that and report back |
| 11:40.32 | dutchfish | s/can/can |
| 11:40.41 | dutchfish | cant* |
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| 11:42.47 | dutchfish | lesson learned: only a fast moving targer it is maybe not so good to wait to long to update because i can run into pita's where transient update problems may arrise |
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| 11:43.16 | dutchfish | thanks all for the input |
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| 11:44.18 | dutchfish | i make a backup for now and walk the aptitude road |
| 11:44.30 | dutchfish | see what that brings |
| 11:44.39 | dutchfish | have fun all |
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| 11:52.29 | shifty | how do i stop the BEEP at shutdown? |
| 11:54.39 | ojtimsen | shifty: http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=19492.0 |
| 11:54.45 | nvz | shifty: echo "hw.syscons.bell=0" >> /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 11:54.59 | nvz | sysctl -p will apply setting immediately |
| 11:55.18 | ojtimsen | of course thats the better way |
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| 11:57.35 | nvz | just used sysctl today to disable ipv6 on all machines cause it was f'n up stuff and making mdns stuff harder to read |
| 11:58.23 | shifty | "/proc/sys/hw/syscons/bell: No such file or directory" - parameter name incorrect? |
| 11:59.04 | mjt | i don't have /proc/sys/hw at all (3.1 kernel) |
| 11:59.38 | mjt | and on 2.6.32 kernel too |
| 12:00.08 | mjt | find /proc/sys -name bell -- it find nothing too ;) |
| 12:00.41 | shifty | ditto. (no find|grep results either) kerne 3.1.0-1 here. |
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| 12:03.06 | shifty | thanks all - the beeping will have to wait for another day. |
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| 12:16.01 | dutchfish | ompaul, streuner_ i solved my cute litle problem; turns out that kde-standard was the culprit; it holds some older packages that depend on the old avlib's; forcing to upgrade the libs removed kde-standard and all it holds; i solved it for now by install kde-full wich apprently does not hold packages that depends on the old libs; i suspect this is indeed transient ie kde-standard need a push; if anyone runs into this problem i suggest not to restart k |
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| 12:18.00 | dutchfish | ompaul, streuner_ for the list of candidate inside kde-standard see my first pastebin from today |
| 12:18.35 | dutchfish | ompaul, streuner_ and the clear winner was *aptitude* |
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| 12:22.29 | gizmore | is there an easy way to get php5.4 in squeeze? |
| 12:22.48 | dutchfish | ompaul, the overhead for this fun was about 440mb raw packaes that gave an extra ~1GB space to claim after the install |
| 12:22.55 | gizmore | maybe generally untested/unstable repo ... would it work? howto? thank you :) |
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| 12:23.13 | project2501a | how can a package be called rubygems1.8 and the version included is 1.2 ? |
| 12:23.28 | babilen | project2501a: gems 1.2 for ruby 1.8 ? (transitional package rubygems1.8 → rubygems) |
| 12:23.38 | project2501a | ah! |
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| 12:24.04 | project2501a | so the parenthesis is the version number but the number included in the package is the targeted software version |
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| 12:25.26 | robinds | I reisntalled squeeze and lost all my mdadm data - How can I get my two HDDs that were setup in RAID1 back and running? |
| 12:25.43 | dutchfish | gizmore, be warned its expirimental see: http://apt.damz.org/ |
| 12:25.45 | robinds | OS is on a seperate HD |
| 12:26.18 | gizmore | dutchfish: thank you very much |
| 12:26.25 | dutchfish | gizmore, yw |
| 12:26.47 | ompaul | dutchfish: you could if you feel like it kill the archives |
| 12:27.36 | gizmore | dutchfish: i found that page already ... does it work for intel 64 bit vserver? |
| 12:27.38 | dutchfish | ompaul, nah, thats up to the debian gods, i just reported it ;) |
| 12:28.38 | dutchfish | gizmore, take a peak ;) http://apt.damz.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ |
| 12:29.05 | dutchfish | gizmore, don use this on a production server, i have warned you now twice ;) |
| 12:29.14 | ojtimsen | robinds: package mdadm is properly installed? |
| 12:29.43 | robinds | havent installed it yet.. |
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| 12:30.22 | robinds | ojtimsen: didn't install mdadm yet in case I had to do something else before apt-getting it.. |
| 12:30.41 | ojtimsen | robinds: this package is required |
| 12:31.25 | robinds | I know -- just wanted to find info before going ahead with installing mdadm.. apt-getting now.. |
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| 12:31.35 | dutchfish | gizmore, a better option is to wait for http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5.html |
| 12:31.47 | DammitJim | Merry Christmas |
| 12:31.55 | gizmore | dutchfish: yeah ... a lot of unresolved dependencies i guess |
| 12:32.37 | dutchfish | gizmore, if you follow the instruction to the letter it works without to big problems; at leats on my test rigs |
| 12:33.55 | dutchfish | gizmore, and remember newer is not always better .... |
| 12:33.59 | ojtimsen | robinds: had apt already told you something about the found raid array? |
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| 12:34.39 | robinds | yeah |
| 12:34.50 | dutchfish | gizmore, this is stil considered beta http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/php5 |
| 12:36.08 | robinds | ojtimsen: seemed to install fine - should I just run mdadm-startall to see what happens? |
| 12:36.17 | robinds | ..maybe check the mdadm.conf file |
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| 12:36.37 | ojtimsen | yeah check the file first and what says an mdadm --detail |
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| 12:38.29 | robinds | ojtimsen: mdadm: No devices given |
| 12:38.35 | ojtimsen | sry mdadm --detail --scan |
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| 12:38.53 | robinds | yup - found the array |
| 12:39.09 | ojtimsen | ok, then you can bring it up |
| 12:39.19 | robinds | just one thing... |
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| 12:39.39 | robinds | CREATE owner=root group=disk mode=0660 auto=yes |
| 12:39.48 | robinds | this was in my mdadm.conf |
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| 12:40.31 | ojtimsen | this is the only row in the conf file? |
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| 12:40.45 | robinds | is it preferable to have the owner as root? |
| 12:40.59 | robinds | No many other lines, seemed fine |
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| 12:41.35 | ojtimsen | this is just for the dev "file" in /dev/md0 - check this file via ls -asl /dev/md0 and check if the details of this row are found on this file |
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| 12:43.34 | robinds | ojtimsen: OK - thanks - so users who needs access to the mountpoint need to be in the 'disk' group? |
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| 12:44.27 | ojtimsen | no - the row above is only for the device file in /dev/ - the file rights in the filesystem are still handled with your default UID/ GID settings |
| 12:44.36 | robinds | ojtimsen: oh wait -- yes indeed |
| 12:44.56 | robinds | firing it up now - fingers x-ed |
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| 12:49.37 | robinds | ojtimsen: How do I check what filesystem my raid disks are partitioned with? |
| 12:50.18 | ojtimsen | you started md0 ? |
| 12:50.32 | robinds | yes - I believe so |
| 12:50.49 | ojtimsen | what says -> mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
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| 12:52.32 | robinds | ojtimsen: looks good - found both devices - no info on fs though.. |
| 12:52.48 | ojtimsen | thats ok - was just to check if md0 is found properly |
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| 12:53.01 | rozie | cfdisk /dev/md0 ? |
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| 12:54.20 | robinds | cfdisk doesn't give any partition table (!) |
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| 12:55.14 | ojtimsen | cd if you try to mount /dev/md0 without any fs type give whats says the output? |
| 12:55.36 | robinds | I know that I partitioned the array with ext3 or 4 prior to OS reinstall |
| 12:56.09 | ojtimsen | hav your already tried to mount the device manually after you started up md0 ? |
| 12:56.19 | robinds | no |
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| 12:56.26 | robinds | should I? |
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| 12:56.42 | ojtimsen | of course - where do you want to get the array mounted? |
| 12:56.49 | jokar | hello all,Merry Xmas |
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| 12:57.08 | qiyong | can I do multi-select quickly with aptitude? |
| 12:57.27 | jokar | i need help about tor |
| 12:57.43 | robinds | no no - I know I need to mount the array at some point, just asking if I should do it before I know what fs it is.. |
| 12:58.23 | jokar | :-/ |
| 12:58.40 | ojtimsen | typically the OS will make some checks while mounting and if non find any known FS it will give you a hint - to check which FS is used just run a fsck -N /dev/md0 |
| 13:01.01 | robinds | df -T did the trick: ext4 |
| 13:01.19 | robinds | ojtimsen: Thank you so much for your kind help! |
| 13:01.42 | ojtimsen | no prob - good day |
| 13:03.44 | keith4 | should I file a bug against a package if the source package in sid fails to build via 'apt-get -b source <package>'? |
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| 13:05.41 | nkuttler | keith4: depends on the error |
| 13:05.44 | nvz | keith4: unless you got a whole lot of info i.e. a solution I prob wouldnt cause chances are the maintainer knows already |
| 13:07.34 | keith4 | nvz: well, this version was only added on Monday |
| 13:07.38 | keith4 | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/kxZLFQN2 |
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| 13:08.46 | nvz | Monday was a long time ago..heh |
| 13:09.14 | keith4 | curious. I had just built 7.9, last week, on the same box... and it was fine. |
| 13:09.29 | keith4 | and it doesn't look like much has changed from 7.9 to 7.10 |
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| 13:12.24 | keith4 | oh. just kidding. debian/rules is very different |
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| 13:15.00 | nkuttler | :| # fix permissions |
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| 13:15.17 | nkuttler | keith4: afaik devs get notified of build failures anyway |
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| 13:17.18 | keith4 | nkuttler: hmmm. I guess my question should be: how is it that the package builds... *somewhere* (as evidenced by the fact that I can download the deb), but I can't build it? |
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| 13:17.43 | keith4 | it's just a bunch of php, mostly. no compiling at all. |
| 13:17.58 | nkuttler | well the error looks pretty obvious to me |
| 13:18.33 | nkuttler | the path is wrong, nothing is found, xargs leads to chmod error |
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| 13:21.16 | merlin1991 | I have an odd problem, I have debian 6.0.3 on an ion based small pc, and when I boot up on a monitor that supports up to 1280x1024 the monitor stops displaying somewhere in the bootprocess and displays a warning baout oversized content |
| 13:21.33 | merlin1991 | I don't have xorg installed it's just a simple debian - minimal system |
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| 13:23.50 | merlin1991 | also adding a vga=somevalue switch to the boot cmdline still doesn't fix the problem |
| 13:24.04 | merlin1991 | it boots fine on a monitor with 1680x1050 though |
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| 13:34.48 | Eth2 | hello |
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| 13:37.48 | nvz | Eth2: hi |
| 13:38.14 | SVNDR | any command or file to see whos logged in on a server recently? |
| 13:38.20 | keith4 | merlin1991: it's using framebuffered console, so it will try to negotiate a higher res |
| 13:38.24 | petemc | SVNDR: last |
| 13:38.43 | keith4 | nkuttler: right. but it clearly builds on the automated system |
| 13:39.01 | merlin1991 | keith4: yeah seems like the negotiation doesn't work properly with the monitor |
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| 13:39.23 | nvz | SVNDR: examine the auth log i.e. less /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:39.32 | merlin1991 | preventing nouveau from doing kms works but ofc ends up in 800xsomething |
| 13:39.50 | dnewbie | which iso is the full version of debian squeeze? netinst still needs internet connection right? |
| 13:39.51 | nvz | SVNDR: there you would also find any brute force type attacks or such |
| 13:39.52 | merlin1991 | can I tall it to switch resolution when logged in somehow? |
| 13:39.54 | keith4 | merlin1991: can't have it both ways ;-) |
| 13:40.06 | SVNDR | petemc: thanks |
| 13:40.10 | SVNDR | nvz: thanks also ;) |
| 13:40.38 | keith4 | dnewbie: the "full" version is like 20 CDs. the first one doesn't "need" an internet connection, though |
| 13:40.51 | merlin1991 | keith4: Is there really no way to tell the framebuffer to switch to a new resolution somehow manually? |
| 13:40.55 | SVNDR | nvz: what would a brute force attack look like in the 'last' output? |
| 13:40.55 | nvz | dnewbie: netinst can do a base install without net, business card needs to download even base. |
| 13:41.15 | nvz | dnewbie: need at least cd1 to do a desktop system install without network |
| 13:41.40 | nvz | keith4: I think its way more than 20 |
| 13:42.06 | nvz | SVNDR: I'm not familiar with that and I doubt it would show that |
| 13:42.32 | nvz | SVNDR: last seems to only show successful logins |
| 13:42.38 | nvz | SVNDR: auth.log shows attempts |
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| 13:42.44 | dnewbie | nvz:cdl? as currently im using the USB wireless device(need to its driver) for internet, not sure if linux able to detect it. |
| 13:42.46 | SVNDR | nvz: i sorry didnt realise you said /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:42.50 | nvz | as well as successes that is |
| 13:43.19 | nvz | dnewbie: depends on what device it is.. what OS are you on now? |
| 13:43.28 | SVNDR | nvz: no worries, cheers mate |
| 13:44.00 | nvz | dnewbie: is it wifi or cdma/evdo? |
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| 13:45.20 | keith4 | nvz: it was like 20 the last time i checked ;-) |
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| 13:45.24 | keith4 | which was probably in 2003 |
| 13:45.39 | nvz | !dstats squeeze |
| 13:45.56 | nvz | !dstats stable |
| 13:46.10 | nvz | hmm apparently thats broken |
| 13:46.30 | nvz | last I checked it was more like 50.. heh |
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| 13:47.25 | dnewbie | nvz: it is not wifi, its 4G broadband |
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| 13:48.15 | nvz | yes 8dvds + 2 for updates and 52cds + 10 for updates |
| 13:48.26 | nvz | for the whole squeeze repo |
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| 13:49.12 | nvz | dnewbie: well those typically behave as a serial modem and use standard ppp dialup software but you need to know the dialout number and the username/password |
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| 13:49.32 | nvz | dnewbie: some devices like fancy ones that are also card readers or such are often difficult to use |
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| 13:50.06 | nvz | dnewbie: do you have more than one machine? |
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| 13:51.44 | dnewbie | nvz: Im using just one single laptop with the 4G device for broadband currently. And I just did an installation, but no gdm3 or gdm was found under etc/init.d/ was thinking probably installation was not completed |
| 13:51.59 | xyb | hello, is there an alternative to bestille on debian squeeze? |
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| 13:53.19 | dnewbie | nvz: I used the debian sq netinst..with asus laptop..after instllation, boot debian with no gdm screen interface |
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| 13:55.56 | keith4 | nkuttler: nvz: figured it out. the packager didn't set $PACKAGE in debian/rules, somehow |
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| 14:00.14 | merlin1991 | keith4: if I keep kms enabled, can I tell it not negotiate a new resolution? |
| 14:00.43 | robinds | I installed squeeze with web server checked ..now I don't have an apache user nor do I have an apache group .. what do I do? |
| 14:01.01 | keith4 | robinds: 'www-data' |
| 14:01.23 | keith4 | merlin1991: no idea. you could probably explicitly set modes in xorg.conf, instead of letting it autodetect. or am I already mis-remembering your issue? |
| 14:01.34 | merlin1991 | mis-remembering |
| 14:01.35 | robinds | is this the user/group I need to use instead of apache? |
| 14:01.37 | merlin1991 | no xorg here :D |
| 14:01.59 | keith4 | robinds: yes |
| 14:02.06 | robinds | thanks! |
| 14:02.28 | merlin1991 | it's a debian-minimal that at some point does a resolution switch to a resolution the monitor can't handle |
| 14:02.39 | keith4 | merlin1991: oh, so you want to use framebuffer console, but you want to limit the max? |
| 14:02.46 | merlin1991 | yea |
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| 14:03.50 | xyb | hello? |
| 14:03.53 | iman | do you have instruction about install postgresql on debian server |
| 14:04.13 | merlin1991 | apt-get install $packagename ? |
| 14:04.14 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 14:05.20 | keith4 | !tell iman about aptitude |
| 14:05.34 | keith4 | merlin1991: anything in /etc/console/ or /etc/console-tools? |
| 14:06.04 | merlin1991 | keith4: don't even have /etc/console or tools |
| 14:06.06 | dym | ps aux | grep php5-cgi | awk '{print $2}' | kill -9 - |
| 14:06.07 | dym | what am i missing to make this work? |
| 14:06.09 | merlin1991 | only -setup |
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| 14:06.39 | keith4 | dym: you're missing the fact that pkill exists |
| 14:06.43 | keith4 | merlin1991: oh |
| 14:07.06 | keith4 | dym: er, killall rather |
| 14:07.20 | dym | keith4: thanks |
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| 14:16.59 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I am about to create an usb stick where I will put the first cd.iso image of 6.0.3. I am refering to this guide ( http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en ) at section 4.3.3. It mentions the usb stick to be formated as FAT16. Does that mean that it *has to* be that? Will fat32/vfat work? (the usb is currently formated vfat) |
| 14:17.38 | ChibaPet | Night_Elf: I might be missing something, but I tend to just use dd(1) to drop images onto the stick. |
| 14:17.59 | technologov | Night_Elf, try FAT32/vfat, and if it fails, use FAT16. |
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| 14:18.40 | nvz | Night_Elf: fat16 is 2gb max |
| 14:18.42 | ChibaPet | I'm curious now. What situation would want a FAT filesystem on a USB stick to host an ISO? |
| 14:18.55 | pksadiq | ChibaPet: dd is nice, but once messed the firware of my usb by a simple mistake, forgot 1 in sdb1 |
| 14:18.59 | project2501a | man if debian was a female, i'd marry her |
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| 14:19.36 | project2501a | either debian is getting more automated and orthogonal by the day or i am getting better. or i am getting a brain. |
| 14:19.37 | Night_Elf | ChibaPet: I have tried dd-ing the .iso directly onto the /dev/sdX. It works. I just thought of trying the other, manual way as well. technologov: Well, I thought of asking as well before walking that road :] |
| 14:19.37 | technologov | ha ha |
| 14:19.45 | nvz | project2501a: itd probably be a lesbian |
| 14:20.38 | Night_Elf | why.. I love lesbians. Seriously. Disclaimer: I am a heterosexual male. |
| 14:20.39 | project2501a | s'all good in the hood |
| 14:20.45 | nvz | Night_Elf: personally I normally just format it with vfat and use unetbootin |
| 14:21.27 | project2501a | we're all init's children after all |
| 14:21.36 | ChibaPet | syslinux. Huh. Odd. I've never used that. I guess it's valid. |
| 14:22.58 | Night_Elf | nvz: yea, good idea. (shovel on my face while walking on Vogsphere) |
| 14:24.28 | SVNDR | How can i limit the number of processes that a user i add can use at a time? |
| 14:25.04 | nvz | Night_Elf: haha.. I love that scene |
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| 14:25.57 | nvz | SVNDR: I dont see how that would make much of a difference |
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| 14:26.51 | SVNDR | nvz: well say i want to add a user, who can only have a maximum of 10 procssess running at once? is there a way? |
| 14:27.31 | Night_Elf | ChibaPet: I was just thinking of a situation of one usb with multiple iso images to install stuff. Mixed of them, say a collection of debian,ubuntu,winXp,Winvista, and so on. |
| 14:28.05 | Night_Elf | ok... some entries there are for illustration purposes only. :p |
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| 14:28.40 | ChibaPet | Does syslinux allow you to choose? Maybe it does. I tend to use one USB stick per OS here. (I keep one each of Debian, Fedora, and Scientific.) |
| 14:28.51 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, /etc/security/limits.conf - but this is per-login, so you need to limit number of logins to 1 |
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| 14:29.22 | forgotten | do u need to physical nics in a box to make it a VPN server? |
| 14:29.26 | forgotten | two* |
| 14:29.36 | mosno | forgotten: no |
| 14:29.40 | ChibaPet | forgotten: there are always interface aliases |
| 14:29.43 | Night_Elf | ChibaPet: I don't know. It is something that I have been wanting to try, but always keep on postponing for 'tomorrow'. ... |
| 14:29.50 | ChibaPet | eth0:0, eth0:1, etc |
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| 14:30.06 | nvz | SVNDR: well you dont want to limit processes but cpu usage |
| 14:30.22 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: do i have to be logged in as the user i want to limit? |
| 14:30.26 | nvz | SVNDR: I can right now open every available app in my menu and it wont make much of a difference unless those processes are doing something |
| 14:30.50 | nvz | SVNDR: as for the how, PAM which is the pluggable authentication modules that authenticate the user allow for these sorts of limits |
| 14:30.50 | forgotten | ok cool tyvm |
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| 14:32.43 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, what do you mean? you can't limit a user who never logs in, because limits are applied at logon time |
| 14:32.57 | SVNDR | nvz: ok then, but i deffinately do want to manage how many processess they can one at any one time.. |
| 14:33.12 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: the person will be logging in, at some stage |
| 14:33.30 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: but i dont want to limit my own processess |
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| 14:33.45 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: i want to limit them for each specific person |
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| 14:34.25 | nvz | SVNDR: I see absolutely no reason for that.. processes are not a problem for a system in any way.. its the TIME they use not the number of them |
| 14:34.26 | forgotten | the debian howto says On both devices, add a new VPN zone to represent tun0 and create a default policy for it. This means adding something to the following files in /etc/shorewall |
| 14:34.47 | nvz | SVNDR: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html see section 4.10 specifically 4.10.2 |
| 14:34.53 | forgotten | i do not have /etc/shorewall ? keep getting connection refused when starting both up both sides. |
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| 14:36.13 | nvz | SVNDR: both can be done with PAM I'm just trying to break you from thinking that has anything to do with the system performance.. because you may limit people to the point they cannot function while not being any threat so to speak to the system |
| 14:37.41 | SVNDR | nvz: i will be looking to limit the amount of CPU usage also, but at the same time i want to limit processess aswell.. i run a website, and the my website says no user can use any more then a certain amount of such and such, but some users are..and im sure will in the future |
| 14:37.47 | thewanderer1 | limiting memory usage is a far better idea... PID exhaustion is hardly a problem |
| 14:38.11 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, you run a shell server? |
| 14:38.15 | nvz | SVNDR: well you can do that all in the limits.conf with PAM |
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| 14:39.25 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: somewhat, yes.. |
| 14:40.11 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, look at cgroups and lxc, then |
| 14:40.35 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: files? |
| 14:41.45 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, no, subsystems :P |
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| 14:52.06 | SVNDR | Ok, so im having a hard time understanding this.. i dont want to set the limits for everyone. am i supposed to be logged in as the user i want to set the limits for? or do i just put the users name in the <domain> part? also if there are any examples on the web, i cannot find them.. |
| 14:53.09 | SVNDR | the user already exists on the system by the way |
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| 15:00.38 | SVNDR | thewanderer1 or nvz: http://pastebin.com/VfKjnxje -- would that be the correct imput for the way i want it? |
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| 15:02.08 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, almost, except if he opens 2 SSH connections (for example), he will be able to start 10 processes in *every* of them, which means 10+10 total |
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| 15:02.24 | thewanderer1 | because resource limits are per-session |
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| 15:02.54 | SVNDR | oh ok.. if i change the limit to 1, will he only be able to connect to SSH once? |
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| 15:04.13 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, yes, and subsequent connections will fail to start a shell |
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| 15:04.37 | thewanderer1 | there is no limit pooling and there probably never will be :P |
| 15:05.09 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: ok thanks, also, how does PAM recognize a processes created by the server itself(if there is such processess), or by the user? |
| 15:05.43 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, it does not. it's SSH which, upon login and before spawning a new session, loads PAM. |
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| 15:06.19 | robinds | I am setting up a webserver on squeeze - php pages are not executing correctly. Tried some google without any luck. How do I troubleshoot my problem? |
| 15:06.38 | karlpinc | robinds: Do you have php installed? |
| 15:06.41 | thewanderer1 | robinds, more info. what webserver? how are you setting up PHP? |
| 15:06.42 | robinds | yes |
| 15:06.50 | robinds | apache2 |
| 15:07.07 | thewanderer1 | and what PHP module? |
| 15:07.15 | karlpinc | robinds: In general, the way to diagnose the problem is to look at the logs. |
| 15:07.21 | robinds | setup atraight out of the box when I installed squeeze: just checked 'web-server' .. |
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| 15:07.40 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: ok so the the nproc 10 is only the limit of processess the user makes.. sorry just clarifying completely :) |
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| 15:08.03 | robinds | karlpinc: which log is pertient to php? |
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| 15:08.30 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, for complete clarity: nproc 10 is what gets passed to setrlimit() syscall, which limits resources per task session. |
| 15:09.23 | karlpinc | robinds: The webserver log. I don't know that the webserver task installs php. Does 'aptitude search ~iphp' say that libapache2-mod-php5 is installed? |
| 15:09.31 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: alright mate, thanks a heap |
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| 15:10.15 | robinds | karlpinc: it is |
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| 15:10.25 | SVNDR | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.41 | SVNDR | oh wait, i see NVM |
| 15:10.47 | karlpinc | robinds: See what /var/log/httpd/error_log (or whatever) has to say. |
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| 15:11.18 | SVNDR | wait.. no i dont see |
| 15:11.29 | karlpinc | robinds: oops /var/log/apache2/* |
| 15:12.26 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, need to be root |
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| 15:13.19 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: haha feel like a twat now |
| 15:14.00 | robinds | karlpinc: so much stuff - is my goal to have all these messages fixed? Got problems with python and php |
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| 15:17.49 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: will i need to reboot for it take take effect? |
| 15:18.07 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, no |
| 15:18.20 | thewanderer1 | you'll need to start a new session, though |
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| 15:21.31 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: ok, thanks again |
| 15:21.34 | robinds | karlpinc: got some good pointers - thank you for helping me out |
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| 15:26.13 | bob_ | does anyone know why I would get the following when I do an update? |
| 15:26.13 | bob_ | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 15:26.14 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.14 | bob_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 15:26.41 | bob_ | does anyone know why I would get the following when I do an update? |
| 15:26.42 | NiLon | bob_ maybe there's major update in that package |
| 15:26.46 | bob_ | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 15:26.51 | bob_ | php5-suhosin |
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| 15:26.57 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.59 | NiLon | bob_ didn't you learn nothing |
| 15:27.05 | bob_ | NiLon, ? |
| 15:27.11 | nsadmin | bob_ so you're not listening |
| 15:27.12 | bob_ | thats a double negative |
| 15:27.15 | bob_ | I am listening |
| 15:27.29 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: can i add multiple user names under the one <domain> ? |
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| 15:28.38 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, no, look at the example file syntax! |
| 15:29.08 | NiLon | bob_ it simply means that php5-suhosin is frozen, for reason X, it could be release that breaks stuff or so.. read release notes |
| 15:29.47 | SVNDR | does it have to be set out as <domain> <type> <item> or can i do it the same way i showed you in the paste? |
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| 15:31.11 | bob_ | NiLon, okay |
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| 15:34.02 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: does it have to be set out as <domain> <type> <item> or can i do it the same way i showed you in the paste? |
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| 15:34.45 | Night_Elf | nvz: That usb multiboot discussion of hours ago... Syslinux seems to let you chose among entries for installing. Actually that it what unebootin uses at the core. But as I have understood so far, it can only be used with linuxland distros. I wonder what can be used for a heterogeneous usb multiboot, for diferent kind of os-es. |
| 15:34.57 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, exactly as the comments in the file indicate... |
| 15:35.13 | SVNDR | ok thanks |
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| 15:37.02 | gribouille | hi |
| 15:37.06 | Chinese_soup | hai |
| 15:37.20 | nsadmin | high |
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| 15:38.02 | Night_Elf | 5 |
| 15:38.18 | gribouille | can dh-make-perl create debian packages from modules created with ExtUtils::MakeMaker, Module::Install,or Module::Build? |
| 15:38.40 | nsadmin | when you tried it, what happened? |
| 15:39.06 | gribouille | I just tried ExtUtils::MakeMaker |
| 15:40.46 | nsadmin | so... try the one you want |
| 15:41.29 | SVNDR | what file do i find to edit ports for SSH |
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| 15:42.16 | cahoot | sshd_config on the server |
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| 15:42.30 | SVNDR | thanks |
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| 15:55.04 | mathbr | Hi. Am I correct that it is currently impossible to use themes with Compiz due to Emerald being a dead project and successors not yet in place? I need Compiz for tear-free video playback. |
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| 15:56.39 | SVNDR | is this the correct why to set out a limits.conf -- http://pastebin.com/4XZ7pvN9 ? |
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| 15:58.52 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, looks good, yes (although 1 process is not much!) |
| 15:58.59 | rawt | i tried installing smbind on squeeze but i get: /var/lib/dpkg/info/smbind.postinst: line 41: local: can only be used in a function |
| 15:59.00 | rawt | :/ |
| 15:59.14 | rawt | totally fresh install |
| 15:59.22 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: thats login is only hosting a IRCd.. or still not enough? |
| 15:59.41 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, keep in mind that "soft" limits can be changed by the user. if you want to really limit them, set it to "hard". |
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| 15:59.57 | SVNDR | ok will do now |
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| 16:01.09 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: that 'ispircd' login is only there to host an IRCd server.. or will that not work? |
| 16:01.41 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, it could work, but setuid() does not automatically apply setrlimit... how do you start the IRC server? |
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| 16:02.00 | SVNDR | ./inspircd start ? |
| 16:02.09 | SVNDR | while in the inspricd dir |
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| 16:03.17 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: sorry keep forgetting to add ur name ;) |
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| 16:03.49 | thisthat | i just created a drbd resource with drbdadm create-md r0 and i am having trouble removing it |
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| 16:04.32 | BlaDe^ | hi guys... how do I add a PPA on debian? |
| 16:04.38 | BlaDe^ | there's no add-apt-repository like with ubuntu |
| 16:04.43 | BlaDe^ | the ppa is https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/development |
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| 16:11.23 | mankand007 | Hi all... |
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| 16:14.20 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, well, what does that do? and are you executing it as inspircd user? |
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| 16:15.15 | SVNDR | its starts the server running, allows people to connect, and yes as the inspricd user |
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| 16:15.39 | mankand007 | i'm interested in learning programming and to create desktop applications... I was very much interested in python.. but unfortunately i must learn and use c#.net for a windows project... so, i thought i would start with mono.... but i've been hearing very bad things about mono that it does not have much of a future. i need some suggestions... what is the future of mono..? is it worth learning it? or am i better off with python? or is there a better alter |
| 16:17.11 | DusteD | mankand007, in your case it does not really matter if the language survices |
| 16:17.15 | DusteD | *survives |
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| 16:18.54 | DusteD | it's just programming, the language is not of any importance |
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| 16:19.27 | mankand007 | DusteD, but isn't c# an outlaw in linux world? |
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| 16:20.08 | DusteD | mankand007, nah, you'll get flamed sure. |
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| 16:20.19 | DusteD | But you'll get flamed no matter what you choose.. |
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| 16:21.59 | DusteD | mankand007, a good idea would be to use mono on windows too instead of the .net framework (for development / ide) that way you can be sure your apps run on both mono and .net, if you do it the other way around you will bump into unimplemented parts and such nasties |
| 16:23.08 | mankand007 | hmm.... i've never developed any application in mono... do you have any idea how much (in mb) a mono app would take to distribute on a system without mono? |
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| 16:25.08 | DusteD | mankand007, it will simply hook into the installed .net or mono framework on the target, codesize can be a bit larger buut we're not talking mib's |
| 16:25.28 | DusteD | A mono app will run on a system with mono AND/OR .net |
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| 16:28.22 | mankand007 | DusteD, thanks! btw, are ppl inclined towards using mono apps? i'm planning to create a lightweight library management app... will there be any demand for such an app? |
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| 16:28.46 | mankand007 | library as in pdf, txt,doc files... |
| 16:28.46 | btr | hello, is there a debian installator image for usb with efi support? |
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| 16:29.42 | DusteD | hmm, mankand007, if the interface is sweet and the app is fast and stable and pleasing to use, people will use it |
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| 16:30.52 | DusteD | Ofcause you will get flamed by the people who strongly believe that nothing but an interactive session with a postgresql server works .:P |
| 16:31.28 | mankand007 | :D i guess i'd have to live with that... |
| 16:31.34 | DusteD | Yea ;) |
| 16:31.49 | mankand007 | thanks for your advise... |
| 16:32.17 | mankand007 | btw, how do i enable mobile internet in debian, as in ubuntu.? |
| 16:32.33 | DusteD | But really, making it easy to use and install is the primary objective, and on linux where mono might not always be installed on your targets, consider bundling the nessicary binaries so that it "just works" |
| 16:33.10 | DusteD | Mobile internet? as in WiFi, or a 3G modem or tethering to a cellphone ? |
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| 16:33.37 | mankand007 | hmm... so, typically how much mb would it be? mono+app+sqlite? |
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| 16:33.51 | mankand007 | yeah... a cell phone used as a modem.. |
| 16:33.57 | DusteD | Hmm, I remember the sqlite is something like 500 kibs ? |
| 16:35.06 | mankand007 | yeah... even less than that.. but mono framework? |
| 16:35.11 | DusteD | "mono" is a better question, depends which parts of it you're using, could be as little as 100 kib, could be 30 mibs, but if you're still just learning, focus on learning to program, there are lots of difficulties with distributing and building ahead that could really put you down if you began thinking too much about it :) my guess: 15 mibs :) |
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| 16:36.05 | DusteD | You can't exactly, but still, think of it like: every "using" statement will pull additional parts of mono, those parts will need to be bundled with your application. |
| 16:36.08 | ziyourenxiang | you mean after he learns how to program and writes his program, that's when he gets put off trying to distribute his program? :-) |
| 16:36.33 | biesbjerg | Hi guys, I'm having a problem with starting apache2 at boot up time (I thought I solved it yesterday) |
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| 16:36.46 | biesbjerg | This is from my /var/log/boot; http://pastebin.com/7SsDaW5D |
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| 16:37.13 | biesbjerg | I if restart apache2 manually after boot it starts as expected |
| 16:37.14 | mankand007 | brb |
| 16:37.25 | DusteD | ziyourenxiang, yes! ;) I mean that programming is one thing and not really that related to building, packaging and distributing |
| 16:37.52 | DusteD | there's a lot to learn, potentially, and it's better to just get something working before starting to worry too much about how to push it :) |
| 16:37.58 | DusteD | that's my experience anyway |
| 16:40.19 | DusteD | biesbjerg, are you able to start it post-boot ? |
| 16:40.35 | biesbjerg | DusteD: Yes |
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| 16:40.59 | DusteD | 178.79.144.192 is the ip of the serverbox? |
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| 16:42.07 | biesbjerg | DusteD, correct |
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| 16:44.40 | DusteD | strange stuff, is that ip defined in the configs as the listen address? I'm wondering if the server's nic's are brought up at the time when apache is tarted |
| 16:44.42 | DusteD | *started |
| 16:45.34 | biesbjerg | I have 178.79.144.192:80 in my apache conf |
| 16:45.52 | biesbjerg | And just Listen 80 |
| 16:46.30 | DusteD | I think the network is down at the moment when the server tries to start |
| 16:46.43 | DusteD | unless it's that :80, I don't remember if that's nessicary |
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| 16:47.35 | biesbjerg | hmmm |
| 16:47.40 | biesbjerg | It works SOMETIMES after bootup |
| 16:47.54 | biesbjerg | so you might be right about the network/interface not being up |
| 16:48.03 | b1tbkt | is there an accepted way to load a preseed config based upon environment? for example if I check processor type and it is intel, use preseed-intel.cfg or if it is amd, use preseed-amd.cfg |
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| 16:49.21 | DusteD | biesbjerg, if you consistently make it fail by pulling the cable from the box then I'd say confirmed |
| 16:49.35 | biesbjerg | It's a VPS so I'm afraid that's not possible |
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| 16:50.37 | DusteD | Ah, hmm, not sure if it'd work but if you added the hostname in your /etc/hosts file ? |
| 16:51.22 | DusteD | something like echo "178.79.144.192 `hostname`" >> /etc/hosts |
| 16:51.41 | DusteD | you can always delete the line again, and I'm really just guessing since noone else have anything to add :P |
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| 16:53.56 | DusteD | Anyone know if the kernel can debounce input from usb keyboards ? |
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| 16:54.39 | DusteD | actually, I don't care if it's the kernel or X or some daemon or a little mouse on a typewriter.. ? |
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| 16:56.13 | biesbjerg | hehe |
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| 16:57.44 | utab | hi all, what is a mobi file, it seems to be an audio format however google did not lead me somewhere useful, any comments?? |
| 16:58.27 | utab | is that a compression format for audio files?? |
| 16:59.17 | m4ggus | iirc its the amazon kindle format for ebooks |
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| 17:00.03 | utab | hmm, well, how can I convert it to some useful format? |
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| 17:01.44 | m4ggus | http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_conversion |
| 17:02.29 | utab | m4ggus: thanks |
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| 17:02.33 | m4ggus | i guess calibre can convert them to pdf but not sure |
| 17:02.35 | m4ggus | np |
| 17:02.47 | utab | I will see |
| 17:02.52 | utab | happy new year |
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| 17:08.31 | ziyourenxiang | i added a script in /etc/init.d, did update-rc.d blahblah defaults 99. but when i reboot, this particular script doesn't run. i've verified that the script works by running it by hand. |
| 17:08.38 | ziyourenxiang | how to find out where's the problem? |
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| 17:13.06 | simonlnu | check the symlinks |
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| 17:13.18 | gimpy138 | How can I figure out which package includes a certain file, similar to 'yum provides /path/to/foo' on RHELish systems? |
| 17:14.19 | thewanderer1 | gimpy138, dpkg --search /path/foo |
| 17:14.39 | nvz | gimpy138: packages.debian.org or install apt-file |
| 17:14.51 | thewanderer1 | yeah, dpkg only works for installed packages |
| 17:14.57 | nvz | dpkg can't possibly tell you anything about a package thats not installed |
| 17:14.57 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, nvz |
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| 17:18.53 | ziyourenxiang | simonlnu, thanks. my box is at runlevel 2, and the only place the symlink was missing in 2-5 was 2. |
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| 17:21.12 | simonlnu | np ziyourenxiang |
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| 17:21.50 | simonlnu | ziyourenxiang: default runlevel in debian is 2, configurable by the admin |
| 17:22.02 | Agiofws | is there any reason my debian has no boot.log in /var/log ? |
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| 17:22.12 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.13 | Agiofws | (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
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| 17:23.05 | un214 | I don't have it either |
| 17:23.09 | un214 | maybe it doesn't happen anymore |
| 17:23.18 | gasull | If my computer froze about 30 minutes ago, how can I check what went wrong? |
| 17:23.25 | un214 | ssh into it |
| 17:23.39 | un214 | it's usually a console hang and the kernel's up |
| 17:24.35 | gasull | un214: are you talking to me? |
| 17:24.55 | un214 | yes |
| 17:25.21 | simonlnu | bootlogd is desiabled by default |
| 17:25.29 | simonlnu | disabled even |
| 17:26.28 | gasull | un214: what do you mean with ssh into it? It's my laptop and I'm using it again. |
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| 17:26.34 | kevincolyar | test |
| 17:26.53 | gasull | simonlnu: so, should I enable bootlogd? |
| 17:26.57 | un214 | oh sorry but I don't know how to investigate a retrospective hang |
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| 17:27.31 | simonlnu | i was talking to Agiofws |
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| 17:28.43 | Agiofws | simonlnu, |
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| 17:29.28 | Agiofws | simonlnu, is it in rc.initd to enable or something ? |
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| 17:30.04 | Agiofws | var/log/messages does not produce exactly my boot log |
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| 17:31.35 | Agiofws | where are the sys stem start tools on squeeze ? |
| 17:31.41 | Agiofws | or the rc files |
| 17:31.41 | zykotick9 | Agiofws: you might want to "/msg dpkg bootlog" |
| 17:31.54 | simonlnu | Agiofws: /etc/default |
| 17:32.16 | simonlnu | zykotick9 has it. there's a factoid for it in dpkg. |
| 17:32.39 | Agiofws | # Run bootlogd at startup ? |
| 17:32.39 | Agiofws | BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No |
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| 17:33.04 | Agiofws | probably i just edit in .etc/defaults ? simonlnu ? |
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| 17:33.31 | simonlnu | of course; /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 17:33.39 | Agiofws | cool |
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| 17:36.18 | antii | am I safe running debian testing on my desktop machine? |
| 17:37.01 | un214 | works for me |
| 17:37.09 | gasull | antii: safer than running Windows or Mac Os |
| 17:37.14 | antii | :> |
| 17:37.31 | antii | if i get testing, will i have problems upgrading to stable from that? |
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| 17:38.36 | zykotick9 | antii: going from testing to stable is a "downgrade" of sorts... not supported. |
| 17:38.57 | antii | zykotick9: i mean, when next stable comes.. |
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| 17:39.28 | jelly-home | antii: no security updates. medium to advanced knowledge of Debian packaging system required for when things go wrong. Going from wheezy while it's testing to wheezy when it becomes stable may not result in an exact installed system, but will be pretty close. |
| 17:39.30 | zykotick9 | antii: use wheezy in your source list then |
| 17:39.54 | jelly-home | antii: you' |
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| 17:40.08 | antii | jelly-home: ah |
| 17:40.22 | jelly-home | antii: you're going to suffer thru 6-12 months of very little updates when testing goes to "frozen" state |
| 17:40.35 | jelly-home | !freeze |
| 17:40.35 | dpkg | somebody said freeze was when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing is done when the <release goals> are achieved. |
| 17:40.58 | antii | jelly-home: aha :( |
| 17:41.01 | antii | bah |
| 17:41.05 | antii | maybe go for stable then :E |
| 17:41.47 | jelly-home | that said, if you are aware of these issues and can deal with them, it can be a nice OS for a workstation |
| 17:42.22 | antii | jelly-home: i have used debian squeeze on my laptop for afew months works well, but now I wanna reinstall my work machine |
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| 17:42.51 | zykotick9 | antii: "work machine" that sounds like a canditate for stable ;) |
| 17:42.58 | jelly-home | if you're going to panic when your graphic card stops working, or if apt breaks horribly, then testing may not be the right choice |
| 17:43.09 | antii | ah |
| 17:43.14 | antii | good, stable then :P. |
| 17:43.30 | matt___ | is the debian 7 already released ? |
| 17:43.43 | thewanderer1 | nope |
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| 17:44.15 | matt___ | so how can i have it on my dedicated server ? :O |
| 17:44.16 | jelly-home | antii: I'm using testing for my machine at home _and_ at work. However, I also have a second machine, and I only upgrade things if I'm SURE I don't have things to do that day |
| 17:44.29 | antii | jelly-home: heh |
| 17:44.31 | matt___ | provided by ovh |
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| 17:44.52 | antii | jelly-home: but there are repositories that provide "newer" packages for squeeze? |
| 17:44.53 | thewanderer1 | matt___, you've been screwed |
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| 17:45.05 | pingveno | jelly-home: You can always go for Arch. Very stable distro, no? |
| 17:45.13 | jelly-home | antii: two coworkers are happy using squeeze + Thunderbird & Firefox from mozilla |
| 17:45.14 | blubberdiblub | antii, backports |
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| 17:45.27 | jelly-home | pingveno: I have no experience with that, sorry |
| 17:45.32 | zykotick9 | antii: backports -- mozilla.debian.net for backported iceweasel |
| 17:45.37 | antii | ah |
| 17:45.42 | matt___ | thewanderer1: ty |
| 17:45.43 | antii | wont afflict me, running chrome :> |
| 17:46.00 | pingveno | Arch is like having the entire distro be unstable. |
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| 17:46.16 | jelly-home | pingveno: I also believe it's quite offtopic in here. |
| 17:46.24 | pingveno | is joking |
| 17:46.29 | jelly-home | is not |
| 17:46.34 | no_gravity | Hello! I try to run my firefox traffic via an ssh proxy. So i run "ssh -D 5000 <my_server>" and set the firefox proxy setting to use 127.0.0.1 port 5000. But I only get empty pages when i put an url into firefox. Any ideas? |
| 17:46.51 | antii | jelly-home: good thing i like about squeeze, gnome 2.3.. |
| 17:46.57 | antii | every other os have that damn gnome 3 :{ |
| 17:46.58 | jelly-home | no_gravity: did you tell the browser it was a SOCKS proxy? |
| 17:47.42 | pingveno | jelly-home: *sigh* Sarcasm just doesn't travel well via IRC. |
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| 17:48.11 | no_gravity | jelly-home: how would i do that? i tried the settings "SOCKS v4" and "SOCKS v5". |
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| 17:48.18 | jelly-home | pingveno: sarcasm has nothing to do with the fact this channel just doesn't care about other distros |
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| 17:49.14 | jelly-home | no_gravity: huh, I think any of those is supposed to work, which firefox are you using and which debian release? |
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| 17:51.30 | no_gravity | jelly-home: firefox 8. the os is ubuntu, not debian. |
| 17:51.52 | jelly-home | you're asking in the wrong channel, then. #ubuntu is right over there --> |
| 17:52.09 | no_gravity | jelly-home: ok |
| 17:52.27 | technologov | ha ha |
| 17:52.58 | technologov | We should ask next time when someone asks Q - Which debian are you using "Mint" or "Ubuntu" ? |
| 17:53.01 | technologov | (@_@) |
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| 17:53.22 | simonlnu | those aren't debian. the question is flawed. |
| 17:53.24 | jelly-home | they package their own Firefox, which is slightly different from both Mozilla's tarball and Debian's iceweasel builds |
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| 17:55.19 | yskapell | hello guys |
| 17:55.35 | antii | jelly-home: backports, are these packages "stable"? |
| 17:55.36 | antii | :o) |
| 17:55.45 | yskapell | I have compile for 64 arch wine 1.3.34 and when I run swtor I can not see the fonts |
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| 17:55.50 | yskapell | any idea about that? |
| 17:56.07 | simonlnu | #winehq --> |
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| 17:56.57 | edju | Device sr0 has: brw-rw---T+ What's that + mean? |
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| 17:57.35 | simonlnu | extra metadata, like acls or selinux attributes |
| 17:57.42 | simonlnu | man ls |
| 17:57.56 | jelly-home | antii: it depends. |
| 17:58.14 | antii | jelly-home: on? |
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| 17:58.33 | jelly-home | antii: where and who you get them from |
| 17:59.00 | antii | http://backports-master.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 17:59.37 | jelly-home | .debian.org as a source is typically nice... for Debian systems |
| 18:00.03 | antii | =) |
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| 18:06.03 | Dev0n | hey, I have a script that asks for multiple input, how do I supply the values for these inputs instead of having to do them one by one |
| 18:06.10 | Dev0n | something like << blah blah ? |
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| 18:08.30 | jelly-home | Dev0n: uh... does "scriptname one two three etc" not work? |
| 18:08.55 | Dev0n | jelly-home, nope, it asks for each piece of data |
| 18:09.21 | Dev0n | like ./foo would do, enter blah: <blah here> newline enter foo: <foo here> |
| 18:10.16 | jelly-home | Dev0n: echo -e "first line\nsecond line" | ./foo ? |
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| 18:11.21 | no_gravity | jelly-home: yeah! i got it working now! |
| 18:12.51 | Dev0n | that didn't work jelly-home, the script still asks for the second input |
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| 18:14.06 | jelly-home | Dev0n: fix your script or use expect |
| 18:14.13 | Dev0n | jelly-home, I'm trying to do this with the ftp bin |
| 18:14.33 | Dev0n | I just want to login to ftp and run a command, without me havving to stay there and give all the infomation |
| 18:14.35 | jelly-home | Dev0n: you have a ftp client that is a script? |
| 18:14.40 | Dev0n | no |
| 18:14.46 | Dev0n | standard ftp bin |
| 18:14.49 | Dev0n | you get with the destro |
| 18:14.50 | jelly-home | why did you say it was a script, then? |
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| 18:14.59 | Dev0n | my bad =x |
| 18:15.09 | Dev0n | thought it didn't matter |
| 18:15.17 | jelly-home | ok |
| 18:15.21 | jelly-home | everything matters |
| 18:15.32 | Dev0n | sorry hehe :P |
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| 18:17.50 | jelly-home | Dev0n: combine the echo | ftp approach with .netrc, then. man 5 netrc, look at an example eg. here: http://www.mavetju.org/unix/netrc.php |
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| 18:18.06 | jelly-home | Dev0n: alternatively, use a nicer, scriptable ftp client like lftp. |
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| 18:19.12 | nvictor | hey all |
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| 18:19.19 | nvictor | i'm having some issues with the rm command |
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| 18:19.36 | nvictor | it won't remove a file with space in it (it's used in a script) |
| 18:19.42 | nvictor | even on command line when i do |
| 18:19.52 | nvictor | for i in temp; rm $i; done |
| 18:19.56 | blubberdiblub | enclose the file name in quotes, nvictor |
| 18:20.02 | nvictor | temp contains the list of files |
| 18:20.06 | nvictor | blubberdiblub: i do |
| 18:20.10 | nvictor | i get this |
| 18:20.18 | nvictor | syntax error near unexpected token `rm' |
| 18:20.37 | nvictor | for i in temp; rm "$i"; done |
| 18:21.00 | blubberdiblub | nvictor, the command is wrong syntax, and probably doesn't do what you want |
| 18:21.23 | nvictor | blubberdiblub: i can't see how wrong it is |
| 18:21.23 | blubberdiblub | nvictor, for something in something; do something ; done (don't forget the "do") |
| 18:21.30 | mah454 | How can fix this : http://pastebin.com/QW7KZFtU |
| 18:21.35 | nvictor | ah do |
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| 18:22.01 | blubberdiblub | nvictor, but it still won't work. since it only iterates through one item named "temp", which is probably not what you want |
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| 18:23.01 | nvictor | i guess that was the issue |
| 18:23.04 | nvictor | thanks blubberdiblub |
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| 18:23.08 | nvictor | i forgot the do |
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| 18:24.22 | Na_Klar | kill -15 [userPID] results in a FIN_WAIT1 hang of the user's ssh session. What do? Or rather, what is it waiting for? (There are some programms running which has been started by the user, but it dosn't wait for that, does it?) |
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| 18:24.50 | jelly-home | nvictor: you forgot a "do " before rm |
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| 18:25.07 | Dev0n | jelly-home, I managed to login and disconnect using curl, do you if there is a curl option to pass in an ftp command ? |
| 18:25.14 | Dev0n | know* |
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| 18:25.36 | jelly-home | Dev0n: sorry, not a curl user |
| 18:25.53 | Dev0n | I'll ask #curl, thanks |
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| 18:28.37 | Na_Klar | nevermind, it's terminated now .. took a while :P |
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| 18:29.34 | SVNDR | how do i apt-get syslog? |
| 18:29.55 | jelly-home | SVNDR: that question no sense |
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| 18:31.07 | SVNDR | ok? lol |
| 18:31.16 | kesroesweyth | SVNDR what are you trying to do? |
| 18:31.44 | kesroesweyth | and don't say install syslog lol |
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| 18:32.10 | SVNDR | ok well i need syslog |
| 18:32.37 | kesroesweyth | thinks syslog is part of debian by default |
| 18:32.51 | kesroesweyth | what are you trying to do.. |
| 18:32.55 | SVNDR | how do i veiw auth.log then? |
| 18:33.09 | kesroesweyth | cat /var/log/auth.log |
| 18:33.11 | kesroesweyth | or tail -f |
| 18:33.31 | SVNDR | ohhhh lol.. i was doing /var/logs/auth.log |
| 18:33.35 | kesroesweyth | :) |
| 18:33.40 | SVNDR | thank you |
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| 18:34.55 | guidi | How can I convert a ext4 /home partition back to ext3. |
| 18:35.06 | guidi | I cant seem to find any guides on it |
| 18:35.08 | moppel | <-- typed in "/msg dpkg guidelines" got word guidelines but no howto or such, What doing I am wraong? |
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| 18:35.34 | kesroesweyth | guidi, is there a lot of data on it? maybe just move the data, reformat the partition, and move it back? |
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| 18:36.47 | SVNDR | kesroesweyth: any idea how to check current memory/ |
| 18:36.48 | SVNDR | ?* |
| 18:36.50 | guidi | not too much maybe a few gb |
| 18:36.55 | kesroesweyth | free |
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| 18:37.28 | CrazyEddy | Wow. |
| 18:37.44 | guidi | kesroesweyth: is there a tool inside debian to easily reformat the partition |
| 18:37.55 | kesroesweyth | mkfs.ext3 |
| 18:38.13 | kesroesweyth | you'd lose all your data if you don't move it though |
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| 18:39.16 | zaltekk | hey guys...i'm having an issue with rtorrent that may be related to my filesystem |
| 18:39.47 | zaltekk | it seems to have errors creating files sometimes within ~/downloads which is owned by me:me and modded 0755 |
| 18:39.57 | zaltekk | on ext3 |
| 18:40.21 | zaltekk | i can't imagine it being a length issue or special characters(just -(). other than alphanumeric and spaces) |
| 18:40.30 | zaltekk | any ideas how to debug further? strace maybe? |
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| 18:41.18 | zaltekk | it reports "Could not create directory './My Torrent (Some-stuff)': No such file or directory" |
| 18:41.23 | zaltekk | but it actually does create it |
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| 18:41.29 | SVNDR | Mem: 249440 229272 20168 0 15924 166316 -------- is that bad? lol |
| 18:41.44 | zaltekk | SVNDR: you should look at what's cache/buffers |
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| 18:41.59 | SVNDR | -/+ buffers/cache: 45 197 |
| 18:42.00 | zaltekk | the next line |
| 18:42.02 | zaltekk | oh :o |
| 18:42.10 | SVNDR | ;\ |
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| 18:42.37 | SVNDR | zaltekk: dont like that face lol |
| 18:42.41 | zaltekk | same issue directory in my home directory |
| 18:43.22 | kesroesweyth | can never make sense of large data amounts written in bytes or kb |
| 18:44.03 | SVNDR | zaltekk: good or bad? |
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| 18:46.33 | zaltekk | hmm, found a ticket about it |
| 18:46.36 | zaltekk | http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ticket/2248 |
| 18:46.41 | zaltekk | if anyone else runs into it |
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| 18:50.11 | mankand007 | hi all.. i have two hdds... one sata with ubuntu, and one ide with debian... the sata hdd is the master... i'm logging into debian thru the grub2 in sata... the problem is, my debian shows wrong time... i think it's because of ubuntu... how do i always have correct time in debian....? |
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| 18:56.22 | kesroesweyth | mankand007 did you check the timezones, DST, in debian? |
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| 18:58.05 | mankand007 | kesroesweyth: where do i see that? |
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| 18:58.29 | kesroesweyth | run date |
| 18:58.40 | kesroesweyth | see if the time zone is correct |
| 18:58.48 | mankand007 | Fri Dec 30 18:58:36 IST 2011 |
| 18:58.54 | kesroesweyth | Are you in india? |
| 18:58.57 | mankand007 | indian standard time is right.. but the time is wrong.. |
| 18:59.01 | jelly-home | mankand007: two things: 1) verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS in both systems has the same value; 2) verify you're using the same timezone |
| 18:59.14 | mankand007 | it's 00:28 here.. |
| 18:59.44 | mankand007 | it says no |
| 18:59.48 | mankand007 | UTC setting |
| 18:59.53 | mankand007 | should i make it as yes? |
| 19:00.22 | mankand007 | how do i verify if i'm using the same timezone? |
| 19:00.32 | mankand007 | date shows ist.. that's correct.. |
| 19:00.50 | mankand007 | UTC=no |
| 19:00.55 | kesroesweyth | both should show IST, and jelly-home said both UTC settings should match. Do they? |
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| 19:01.19 | mankand007 | you mean, UTC=IST? |
| 19:01.46 | jelly-home | mankand007: no, I mean you ought to have have same setting (either yes or no) in both Ubuntu and Debian |
| 19:01.49 | kesroesweyth | No, I mean if your debian install says UTC=no, so should the ubuntu |
| 19:01.54 | mankand007 | ohh... |
| 19:02.00 | mankand007 | okay... i'll check... |
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| 19:02.06 | jelly-home | !tz |
| 19:02.07 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 19:02.07 | kesroesweyth | actually flip that, make debian match what the ubuntu system says |
| 19:02.11 | jelly-home | meh |
| 19:02.26 | jelly-home | ignore that |
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| 19:03.32 | mankand007 | ubuntu shows utc=yes... |
| 19:03.53 | mankand007 | if i make the same in debian... both would coexist without confusion, right? |
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| 19:05.24 | mankand007 | done... thanks guys! |
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| 19:08.58 | mankand007 | hi all... |
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| 19:09.24 | mankand007 | i just restarted after making utc=yes in rcS... the time still shows wrong.. |
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| 19:11.42 | thewanderer1 | mankand007, well, did you set a correct time using, for example, NTP? |
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| 19:12.11 | mankand007 | is ntp installed in debian squeeze by default? |
| 19:12.45 | jelly-home | it's not in base system, you need to install it |
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| 19:13.02 | jelly-home | the package is called "ntp" |
| 19:13.40 | jelly-home | mankand007: set the time using "date" tool as root. reboot. is it still correct? |
| 19:13.56 | mankand007 | jelly-home: is it not installed in the base with a reason? or shall i install it? |
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| 19:14.06 | jelly-home | mankand007: install it. |
| 19:14.31 | mankand007 | righto.. once i install it, then what? do i just run ntp? sorry i'm such a noob.. |
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| 19:16.20 | jelly-home | install it, then MAGIC will happen :-D |
| 19:16.41 | jelly-home | it sets up a service, a daemon that keeps track of time as long as your machine is online |
| 19:16.43 | mankand007 | it really did! |
| 19:16.45 | mankand007 | thanks! |
| 19:16.53 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 19:17.01 | mankand007 | *embarrassed* |
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| 19:17.35 | mankand007 | and, how do i connect to a mobile phone as a modem... |
| 19:17.42 | mankand007 | in ubuntu that is done out of the box.. |
| 19:17.44 | jelly-home | ubuntu probably has either that or its cousin ntpdate installed by default |
| 19:17.59 | jelly-home | hm |
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| 19:18.40 | mankand007 | one more question.... why does my Administration menu only show Login screen? |
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| 19:19.38 | mankand007 | jelly-home:one more question.... why does my Administration menu only show Login screen? |
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| 19:21.01 | jelly-home | mankand007: sorry, can't help you with Gnome GUI stuff, I don't use it |
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| 19:21.29 | mankand007 | oh.. what do you use? let me guess.... lxde? |
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| 19:25.08 | mankand007 | jelly-home:oh well... just curious... with gnome3 losing more users than gaining, just thought i'd get a gist of what else is worth using... |
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| 19:26.29 | iman | looooool what happen here |
| 19:26.30 | jelly-home | mankand007: I never used Gnome, went from olwm -> twm -> fvwm or CDE -> afterstep for a really long time -> xfce4 |
| 19:26.48 | iman | too many people leave channel at the same time |
| 19:26.51 | thewanderer1 | mankand007, LXDE is particularly nice for old computers, less productive than KDE though... |
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| 19:27.36 | jelly-home | mankand007: now I use whatever, if it has a decent Pager ("workspaces") and if the panels and keyboard shortcuts can be customized |
| 19:28.17 | jelly-home | mankand007: this includes xfce at home, kde at work, and right now, unity |
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| 19:29.36 | mankand007 | jelly-home:hmm... unity? i kind of hate the fact that i'm forced to use a 'desktop' environment that is designed with netbooks and smartphones in mind... |
| 19:29.48 | thewanderer1 | mankand007, consider `awesome` if you're a keyboard guy |
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| 19:30.19 | mankand007 | i'm more of a 'new' guy... :) still a long way to go... |
| 19:30.24 | jelly-home | mankand007: forced? |
| 19:30.31 | jelly-home | at gunpoint, or what? |
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| 19:30.44 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, a shuttleworth of guns, heh |
| 19:30.49 | jelly-home | no soup for you if you install fluxbox? |
| 19:30.54 | Chinese_soup | wat |
| 19:31.07 | jelly-home | sweet/sour |
| 19:31.10 | jelly-home | please |
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| 19:32.05 | mankand007 | jelly-home:forced, as in i don't get an alternative de as there was in 11.04... but pointless, since even if i install gnome, i'd still be using an unusable version of gnome... debian feels home... |
| 19:32.34 | jelly-home | mankand007: um, just install whatever you want and use it |
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| 19:33.14 | mhall119 | Unity is quite nice on my laptop |
| 19:34.34 | mankand007 | will unity be available anywhere out of the ubuntu tree? say for eg fedora? |
| 19:34.47 | mhall119 | I think someone got it into Arch, but I'm not 100% on that |
| 19:35.18 | mankand007 | hmm... is that going to be a proprietary de for ubuntu? |
| 19:35.21 | mhall119 | the issue, as far as I know, is that Unity requires a GTK patch that hasn't been accecpted upstream yet |
| 19:35.24 | mankand007 | sounds less like linux.. |
| 19:35.42 | mankand007 | oh.. |
| 19:35.43 | mhall119 | Unity is open source, any distro can include it |
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| 19:36.12 | mankand007 | i'd like to see how it fares in other distros... |
| 19:36.20 | mhall119 | me too |
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| 19:43.11 | project2501a | can i get a clue how to enable incoming emails to redmine, using exim please? |
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| 19:49.06 | valdyn | project2501a: what is "redmine" ? |
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| 19:49.32 | project2501a | valdyn: project management and ticketing system |
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| 19:49.58 | SVNDR | how do i edit eth0 ? |
| 19:50.46 | kesroesweyth | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:51.10 | SVNDR | cheers |
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| 19:52.49 | rjm | I'm seeing "sshd[14036]: Set /proc/self/oom_adj to" in /var/log/auth.log, any ideas? |
| 19:53.51 | edju | dvdrip and handbrake seem no longer in the repos - what's a good ripper? tried acidrip but it doesn't produce the full dvd - no menys, special features, etc. |
| 19:54.07 | valdyn | judd: versions handbrake-gtk |
| 19:54.08 | judd | Package: handbrake-gtk on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.9; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.9 |
| 19:54.11 | edju | *menus |
| 19:54.19 | SVNDR | kesroesweyth: how do i reset ifconfig? lol |
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| 19:54.49 | valdyn | SVNDR: whats the purpose of "resetting ifconfig" ? |
| 19:55.01 | kesroesweyth | SVNDR reset it? you mean ifup/down? |
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| 19:55.17 | SVNDR | valdyn: do i need to reset it after added a new eth0? |
| 19:55.21 | kesroesweyth | SVNDR do `ifdown eth0` and `ifup eth0` |
| 19:55.51 | kesroesweyth | then check ifconfig eth0 |
| 19:55.56 | thewanderer1 | rjm, OpenSSHd uses a kernel "feature" called OOM score adjustment to prevent it from being accidentally killed when the machine runs out of RAM |
| 19:56.18 | thewanderer1 | rjm, that's because Linux uses memory overcommit and its kernel memory can grow |
| 19:56.35 | rjm | thewanderer1: ah, I see |
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| 19:57.10 | rjm | thewanderer1: I have LogLevel set to 'VERBOSE' in sshd_config, I might pick another less verbose log level and perhaps it won't show those messages again :) |
| 19:58.38 | edju | what's the source for wheezy-multimedia? |
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| 19:59.21 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 19:59.22 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 19:59.25 | valdyn | edju: ^^ |
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| 20:00.42 | SVNDRR | kesroesweyth: ok so i typed ifdown eth0.. got disconnected from SSH now i cant log back in |
| 20:00.57 | kesroesweyth | xD |
| 20:01.30 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR never the best idea to edit your network settings via ssh |
| 20:01.39 | jaakkos | oh dog what done... |
| 20:02.16 | SVNDRR | kesroesweyth: yea well now i cant use VNC either |
| 20:02.25 | edju | valdyn, I'm sorry, I don't get it. debiab-multimedia.org seems dead. I read somewhere that it merged with regular Debian. |
| 20:02.45 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR or anything else that goes over the network I assume. how did you reconfigure eth0? |
| 20:03.09 | SVNDRR | added a virtual eth0.. eg: eth0:1 |
| 20:03.16 | SVNDRR | is paste it to you but i can.. |
| 20:03.29 | valdyn | edju: it is not dead, it cannot merge with debian. Why dont you follow what dpkg said |
| 20:03.35 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR where is the server? |
| 20:03.50 | SVNDRR | what server? |
| 20:04.04 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR the ssh server you were working with |
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| 20:04.39 | SVNDRR | kesroesweyth: umm.. dead? i dont understand what you mean by where is it? like located? |
| 20:05.06 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR yes, if it's in the room with you, plug into it and fix it, if not, get in your car |
| 20:05.23 | edju | !dmm wheezy |
| 20:05.23 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ wheezy main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 20:05.32 | SVNDRR | no, its accross the other side of the world, its in San Diego, im in Australia |
| 20:05.34 | SVNDRR | its a VPS |
| 20:05.40 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR long drive |
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| 20:05.46 | valdyn | funny |
| 20:05.46 | jaakkos | get in your boat |
| 20:05.54 | SVNDRR | haa.haa |
| 20:06.01 | valdyn | SVNDRR: reset it |
| 20:06.16 | valdyn | SVNDRR: except if you broke your interfaces file |
| 20:06.26 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR use the account control panel and there may be tools there to help you, or call their support line |
| 20:06.46 | SVNDRR | kesroesweyth: ok its reset |
| 20:06.58 | kesroesweyth | :) |
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| 20:07.56 | SVNDRR | kesroesweyth: ok im logged in.. now what? lol |
| 20:08.40 | kesroesweyth | SVNDRR im not sure what you're ultimate goal is, but im not experienced with virtual interface configurations, or how VPS usually works |
| 20:08.53 | kesroesweyth | your* |
| 20:09.10 | valdyn | !lol |
| 20:09.11 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 20:10.04 | valdyn | SVNDRR: did you ever tell us what you really want to accomplish? |
| 20:10.27 | SVNDRR | not exactly.. |
| 20:10.39 | SVNDRR | but now i want to accomplish undoing what i just did in interfaces |
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| 20:10.54 | kesroesweyth | so undo it |
| 20:11.05 | valdyn | SVNDRR: we cant know what you did and we cant know what the original looked like |
| 20:11.31 | valdyn | !backup |
| 20:11.32 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 20:12.17 | SVNDRR | all i did was added eth0:1 plus the rest of it, then you told me to type 'ifdown eth0' then boom, all shit got farked up lol |
| 20:12.58 | valdyn | SVNDRR: no, you asked us howresetting an interface is done and get an appropriate answer |
| 20:13.22 | valdyn | SVNDRR: but you dont really want to reset one and you dont really need to reset one |
| 20:13.41 | kesroesweyth | you also neglected to say that you were doing this over ssh xD |
| 20:13.46 | valdyn | SVNDRR: you just wanted to "ifup eth0:1" but asked for something else |
| 20:13.58 | SVNDRR | my bad lol |
| 20:14.03 | kesroesweyth | :) |
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| 20:14.26 | SVNDRR | kesroesweyth: ok well either way its back up, im looked in as root, should SSH be working now? |
| 20:14.37 | boudiccas | in mutt how do you deselect an email for deletion that you selected by mistake please? |
| 20:14.44 | valdyn | SVNDRR: but even then that action can theoretically lock you out - networking is not that simple |
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| 20:14.47 | kesroesweyth | if the daemon is running and was able to bind |
| 20:14.57 | kesroesweyth | easier to try it than to ask me if i expect it to work |
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| 20:16.01 | valdyn | boudiccas: select the message above the deleted one and hit the U key twice |
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| 20:16.16 | SVNDR923 | beautiful |
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| 20:16.38 | boudiccas | valdyn; thanks :) |
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| 20:18.52 | sparky4 | How do i set the screen resolution limit of xserver? |
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| 20:21.59 | boudiccas | I have 31 directories on /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_ in the format of 20110701 where i want to delete all the YYYY07DD, how can i do it from the cli please? |
| 20:22.14 | cuphand | how do people transfer data from iphone to squeeze ? |
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| 20:22.32 | kesroesweyth | cuphand email? ;) |
| 20:23.06 | cuphand | many images.....but that could work...I'll try that |
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| 20:23.28 | kesroesweyth | cuphand I would use ftp if possible, to be honest |
| 20:24.22 | cuphand | ftp for itunes... |
| 20:24.29 | jelly-home | boudiccas: cautious use of ? -- single character glob in your shell |
| 20:24.31 | cuphand | for iphone I mean |
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| 20:24.57 | jelly-home | boudiccas: eg. cd /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_; ls -ld ????07?? |
| 20:25.02 | cuphand | prolly an app for ftp uploading |
| 20:25.10 | kesroesweyth | cuphand find an sftp client for iphone, install openssh-server on the debian box |
| 20:25.23 | boudiccas | jelly; ah thanks, i wasnt sure |
| 20:25.31 | jelly-home | ARE YOU SURE? |
| 20:25.44 | kesroesweyth | cuphand thats how I backup my images from my phone actually, but i have an android phone |
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| 20:26.47 | cuphand | ok..thanks kesroesweyth |
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| 20:27.04 | BlaDe^ | Hi guys, i'm getting an error when trying to install libcurl-dev |
| 20:27.07 | BlaDe^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.19 | BlaDe^ | do I need to upgrade gcc or what? |
| 20:27.32 | cuphand | I do have an xp dual boot , wnder if itunes on xp then wine on the drb ? |
| 20:27.37 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: which debian release is that supposed to be? |
| 20:27.44 | cuphand | deb* |
| 20:27.48 | jelly-home | ,versions gcc-4.4 |
| 20:27.49 | judd | Package: gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.6-14; wheezy: 4.4.6-14 |
| 20:28.30 | SVNDR | kesroesweyth: ok so for future refrence if i would have typed ifup eth0:1 the correct eth0 would be up? |
| 20:28.37 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: squeeze/sid |
| 20:28.40 | sparky4 | .... |
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| 20:28.59 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: please read "/msg dpkg BAT", and provide necessary information |
| 20:29.14 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: oh. That's REALLY old. |
| 20:29.19 | kesroesweyth | SVNDR it sounds it |
| 20:29.24 | sparky4 | How do i set the screen resolution limit of xserver? |
| 20:29.25 | kesroesweyth | like it* |
| 20:29.32 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: yeah it's a development VM |
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| 20:29.51 | BlaDe^ | at work we distribute VM's around to developers they only need to run a few things and then use git to sync to our remote repo |
| 20:29.59 | sparky4 | X will not start (not enough ram) |
| 20:30.03 | BlaDe^ | but i'm using someone elses now and it's giving me errors |
| 20:30.07 | sparky4 | for video |
| 20:30.10 | boudiccas | jelly; how do i delete them from the cli when they're not empty please, rmdir ????07?? works but refuses to delete because the target directory is not empty any clues please? |
| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: I'm awaiting the relevant pastebinned information with bated breath. |
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| 20:30.38 | jelly-home | boudiccas: use "rm -r" instead of rmdir |
| 20:30.45 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
| 20:30.54 | jelly-home | boudiccas: NO WARRANTY |
| 20:30.56 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/3097840 |
| 20:30.59 | kesroesweyth | hehe |
| 20:31.00 | fly_80 | why the gnome3 sound settings applet doesn't see any sound hardware, while I can hear the sounds? |
| 20:31.27 | BlaDe^ | getting the cahce now, sec |
| 20:31.29 | boudiccas | jelly, none expected :) |
| 20:31.37 | sparky4 | fly_80: $ alsamixer |
| 20:31.51 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: what about "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6-dev gcc-4.4 libcurl-dev" ... ah. Alright |
| 20:31.57 | fly_80 | sparky4, should I install alsamixer? |
| 20:31.58 | BlaDe^ | http://pastie.org/3097848 |
| 20:32.10 | sparky4 | fly_80: run it in terminal |
| 20:32.23 | BlaDe^ | sorry jelly-home i thought the full error might've also been useful so pasted both :) |
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| 20:32.46 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: sure. |
| 20:32.47 | fly_80 | sparky4, yes, done |
| 20:32.51 | boudiccas | jelly; its now come back at me with ............ rm: remove write-protected regular file `20110701/web-sites/tgmeds/downs/xxxUKHormonev40.pdf'? ........ how do i get round this please? i've never tried anything like this before so i'm learning as i go along |
| 20:32.58 | sparky4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.09 | sparky4 | fly_80: you see a mixer? |
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| 20:33.22 | fly_80 | sparky4, yes |
| 20:33.30 | jelly-home | boudiccas: tell it that "y", you want it to remove the file even though it's marked as read-only |
| 20:33.34 | sparky4 | fly_80: you do have a sound card ww |
| 20:33.48 | sparky4 | and it's configured properly ^^; |
| 20:33.55 | fly_80 | ww=? |
| 20:33.57 | BlaDe^ | boudiccas: you can also do rm -rf |
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| 20:34.15 | boudiccas | jelly is there no way of doing it during the cl rather than going through each one, of which there will be many, manually one by one? |
| 20:34.20 | BlaDe^ | boudiccas: you can also do rm -rf |
| 20:34.25 | fly_80 | sparky4, ok, but my question was about the gnome3 applet, the sound it's ok |
| 20:34.30 | jelly-home | boudiccas: if you want to ignore any and all read-only warnings, and just delete everything willy-nilly, use what BlaDe^ said twice now |
| 20:34.51 | jelly-home | boudiccas: -f stands for "force" |
| 20:34.58 | boudiccas | jelly; BlaDe^ thanks |
| 20:34.59 | sparky4 | fly_80: w = laugh |
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| 20:35.27 | sparky4 | fly_80: it may be a bug |
| 20:35.33 | sparky4 | I don't know |
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| 20:36.44 | fly_80 | okey, i'm on wheezy, i think I will update packages only if necessary (i.e I encounter problems) |
| 20:37.35 | sparky4 | I will ask my stpuid question one more time |
| 20:37.45 | sparky4 | How do I set the screen resolution limit of xserver? This is driving me nuts |
| 20:38.09 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: still waiting for that last command, btw. Your system seems to have been an "unstable" release installation, created before Debian 6.0 (squeeze) was released. The least intrusive thing to do at this point, might be to replace "unstable" with "squeeze", and pick packages from that since they're closer to your system than current unstable. |
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| 20:38.29 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: this wasn't it? http://pastie.org/3097848 |
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| 20:38.48 | aarkerio | hi! I have this directory: |
| 20:38.49 | aarkerio | drwxrwx--- 7 gito gito 4096 Dec 25 14:52 centaurus.git |
| 20:39.05 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: I also wanted "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6-dev gcc-4.4 libcurl-dev" |
| 20:39.14 | aarkerio | I am user www-data and member of group gito but I get |
| 20:39.26 | aarkerio | bash: cd: centaurus.git/: Permission denied |
| 20:39.40 | BlaDe^ | ah ok sorry, moment |
| 20:39.42 | aarkerio | I set: chmod 770 centaurus.git |
| 20:39.50 | aarkerio | any idea why? |
| 20:40.17 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/3097891 |
| 20:40.29 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: hm. [...] replace "unstable" with "squeeze" _ in your /etc/apt/sources.list _ [...] |
| 20:40.58 | BlaDe^ | then apt-get update i assume? |
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| 20:41.34 | jelly-home | then apt-get update, then make a snapshot or a copy and try to do an apt-get dist-upgrade to get the system completely to squeeze |
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| 20:41.48 | jelly-home | then install other stuff |
| 20:41.56 | BlaDe^ | ok i have a clone of it already so it's no biggie if it dies |
| 20:42.54 | jelly-home | cherry-picking instead of a dist-upgrade might also be an option -- both approaches will have significant breakage probability at this point |
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| 20:43.11 | boudiccas | brillaint, rm -rf ????07?? worked perfectly. thanks folks |
| 20:43.34 | jelly-home | brill, you aint? |
| 20:43.44 | boudiccas | jelly; lol |
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| 20:44.16 | jelly-home | sorry, it's way too easy to pick on a newbie, and not too couth either |
| 20:44.36 | boudiccas | jelly; its okay, i've got broad shoulders :) |
| 20:45.02 | jelly-home | pix or it... y'know, I'll just stop. |
| 20:45.31 | boudiccas | sometimes i know what i want to do, have a glimmering of how to do it, but not know the commands for it, so i ask you knowledgeable folks |
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| 20:45.48 | jelly-home | that's what the support channels are for |
| 20:46.03 | boudiccas | true, and they do it very well too |
| 20:46.04 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, not for shoulder patting? :P |
| 20:46.07 | kj4 | abuse? |
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| 20:46.34 | teratoma | anyone know what kernel parameter i need to pass in grub to make debian not be so slow on a Lenovo thinkpad x200 ? |
| 20:46.56 | jelly-home | kj4: too often it seems that way |
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| 20:47.09 | thewanderer1 | teratoma, first, you need to find out *what* exactly is being slow |
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| 20:47.45 | kj4 | jelly-home: not too bad here, but i feel bad for noobs in #archlinux. that place is a shooting gallery |
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| 20:48.37 | teratoma | thewanderer1: everything. i think its this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/761065 |
| 20:48.38 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: about 12 mins on the dist-upgrade .... wish me luck |
| 20:49.05 | thewanderer1 | teratoma, well, are you using Compiz? |
| 20:49.08 | jelly-home | crosses finger |
| 20:49.10 | jelly-home | s |
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| 20:49.54 | teratoma | thewanderer1: i do have a desktop environment installed... not sure. but im just looking at the load while at a virtual console. i haven't logged into X at all |
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| 20:50.42 | thewanderer1 | teratoma, well, what's load at? and which process is causing it? |
| 20:51.38 | teratoma | its just at 3. process 'kworker'. it really is some drm + kernel problem that happens with this type of thinkpad. i dont have the solution bookmarked anymore. |
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| 20:52.22 | thewanderer1 | teratoma, what kernel version? |
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| 20:53.35 | jelly-home | teratoma: intel graphics card? |
| 20:53.40 | teratoma | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:53.53 | jelly-home | now answer thewanderer1 as he's getting fidgety |
| 20:54.02 | gasull | Can I use an ssh tunnel but make DNS resolutions go to my local dnsmasq? |
| 20:54.09 | teratoma | it happens in whatever comes with lenny, im running testing now, 3.1 |
| 20:54.30 | jelly-home | I'll try to come up with some random i915.blah=quux in the meantime |
| 20:54.32 | thewanderer1 | Lenny? testing? what... |
| 20:54.45 | thewanderer1 | teratoma, have you tried i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 ? |
| 20:54.55 | jelly-home | teratoma: uh, current debian is 6, codename squeeze |
| 20:55.03 | jelly-home | debian 5 was lenny |
| 20:55.08 | teratoma | oops i meant it happens in Squeeze. i am running testing now. |
| 20:55.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: yes that thing |
| 20:55.25 | teratoma | installed squeeze... bug appeared. tried testing.. same stuff. |
| 20:55.29 | teratoma | thewanderer1: i will try that now. |
| 20:55.36 | jelly-home | also: thinkwiki.org |
| 20:56.46 | teratoma | jelly-home: i did read that... i couldnt find the kernel parameter i needed to pass. i think thewanderer1 is right though. im rebooting, trying it out |
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| 21:05.36 | teratoma | in /etc/default/grub i have: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="i915.i915_enable_rc6=1" . i ran update-grub and rebooted. load is still hovering at 3 |
| 21:06.15 | simonlnu | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 21:06.45 | teratoma | i have done so. its in there |
| 21:06.54 | teratoma | maybe i should throw everything at it like in this post? http://danielj.se/2011/11/16/how-to-fix-powerbattery-problem-with-linux-kernel-3-x-on-ubuntu-11-10/ |
| 21:06.55 | jelly-home | it's not that, then |
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| 21:07.51 | stan_theman | can i upgrade to apache 2.2.21 with apt on squeeze? |
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| 21:08.19 | jelly-home | teratoma: it would be at least A BIT more scientific if you added a single param at a time, n cest pas? |
| 21:08.42 | teratoma | true. its so slow though! but i'll try |
| 21:08.52 | jelly-home | pcie_aspm=force looks nice (I have no idea what it does) |
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| 21:09.22 | jelly-home | but all the others are i915 and there are so many |
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| 21:18.08 | teratoma | they didnt work. linux is hard. i got this working in current ubuntu before, i was too dumb to email myself the solution |
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| 21:18.46 | BladeMcCool | hi i was told that I should "just get the package from sid", does that mean anything ? |
| 21:19.13 | BladeMcCool | the package is python-mechanize and the version that "apt-get install python-mechanize" did install is wrong, old and not what the other guy got on the other server same OS version debian 6 somehow |
| 21:19.44 | teratoma | sounds like other guy has some packages from debian unstable (sid) installed |
| 21:19.49 | kgoetz | !ssb |
| 21:19.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:20.44 | stan_theman | haha noooo. i want to keep my mom! |
| 21:21.16 | BladeMcCool | teratoma: yeah i think so. i am trying to find out how to do the same on this other box. edit sources list and then run apt-get install again ? something like that ?? |
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| 21:21.55 | teratoma | i would tell you to google for sid and pinning. try out what kgoetz/dpkg just told you |
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| 21:22.56 | stan_theman | um, ww. |
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| 21:27.01 | davidgul | hi guys i have some problems with NOMACHINE NX server when i try to connect to my system it tells me authentication failed for user |
| 21:27.25 | PerfDave | davidgul: Nomachine NX server is proprietary software not in Debian, yes? |
| 21:27.40 | davidgul | ok and |
| 21:27.45 | davidgul | yes |
| 21:27.58 | teratoma | did you look in the nomachine nx server logs? |
| 21:28.14 | PerfDave | davidgul: I suggest you ask the proprietary vendor for support then |
| 21:28.34 | davidgul | what is vendor ?? |
| 21:28.54 | PerfDave | Nomachine, the people who sell the software. |
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| 21:29.19 | davidgul | oo i try but no one can help me ther |
| 21:29.33 | davidgul | the says that the problem is in my system |
| 21:29.55 | davidgul | but when i try to connect to my shh server i succsied |
| 21:30.15 | BlaDe^ | jelly-home: still around? |
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| 21:30.22 | teratoma | so i got my thinkpad x200 to stop being so slow. I had "i915.modeset=0" in grub config... but i also just noticed that i had a file /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf with 'options i915 modeset=1' ( i dont think i made that). i changed that the 1 to a 0 and rebooted. maybe i should have just deletd the file. anyway it all works now! perhaps i should write this all down somewhere on the web |
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| 21:31.29 | bitcycle | Hey all. I followed some basic guildlines on setting up public/private key auth from my laptop to my vps (both running debian -- testing), and its not picking up my public key installed on the vps. I'm using these instructions here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_remote_access_server_and_utility_ssh |
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| 21:31.47 | davidgul | so no one can help me ? |
| 21:32.28 | BlaDe^ | can anyone advise on: http://i.imgur.com/57Tmc.png |
| 21:32.33 | teratoma | bitcycle: look in the ssh server logs on destination server ( i think its /var/log/auth.log ). make sure you ssh to the destination server with "ssh -v". make sure directory .ssh/ is mode 700 . make sure .ssh/id_dsa is mode 600 |
| 21:32.34 | BlaDe^ | how do I select a disk? |
| 21:32.52 | frostschutz | BlaDe^: space? |
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| 21:33.08 | BlaDe^ | genius, i think i tried literally every other key |
| 21:33.15 | BlaDe^ | shall i just select them all? I have no idea which one |
| 21:33.46 | frostschutz | BlaDe^: sda probably |
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| 21:34.00 | BlaDe^ | sda or sda1 ? sda1 is called /boot which sounds promising |
| 21:34.14 | frostschutz | sda |
| 21:34.36 | BlaDe^ | ok, it's continuing with the dist-upgrade |
| 21:34.47 | boudiccas | teratoma; i'm a great believer in having a blog where you put all these sort of things written to remind you in the future |
| 21:35.37 | standoo | boudiccas: hmm |
| 21:35.45 | standoo | bodiccas: private? |
| 21:35.56 | boudiccas | standoo; private what? |
| 21:36.19 | standoo | pri vate blog |
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| 21:36.58 | boudiccas | standoo; no, open for the public to read and for you to read and remember from wherever you are providing you have net access |
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| 21:37.42 | teratoma | if you make it private, the search engines won't index it! that's no fun |
| 21:38.19 | simonlnu | ohnoez |
| 21:38.39 | standoo | haha |
| 21:38.52 | standoo | i used to do the same thing but on my local server |
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| 21:39.30 | bitcycle | teratoma: In the auth log on the server all I'm seeing is the normal stuff that you might see with password authenticated sessions being established and then disconnected. Its interesting, though, that when I try ssh -v into my server, it tries a specific set of private key names, but not the private key that resides in my ~/.ssh directory, since it doesn't have the default name. |
| 21:40.57 | bitcycle | teratoma: It seems that with the "-i ~/.ssh/non_standard_rsa" worked fine. I'll just add that to my alias. |
| 21:41.02 | bitcycle | teratoma: thanks for your help. |
| 21:42.49 | BlaDe^ | can anyone help me with this? http://pastie.org/private/zgvxjxuoxj5hwmzaybka |
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| 21:44.16 | teratoma | bitcycle: i have no idea if your user on your local machine and your user on the destination machine are the same. or if you're sudo'd as root. or whatever other weird thing is happening. you can also edit a file .ssh/config and specify what user to use with which host you are sshing to |
| 21:46.28 | yagoo | BlaDe^, libgnutls-dev libidn11-dev are probably held because they conflict with something else installed.. |
| 21:46.58 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: how do I fix it? |
| 21:48.09 | yagoo | BlaDe^, see the error message if you try to apt-get install one of the dependencies |
| 21:48.22 | BlaDe^ | it's in the pastie, yagoo |
| 21:48.26 | BlaDe^ | libgnutls-dev : Depends: libgnutls26 (= 2.8.6-1) but 2.12.14-5 is to be installed |
| 21:48.34 | BlaDe^ | Depends: libgcrypt11-dev (>= 1.3.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:48.41 | yagoo | BlaDe^, apt-get install libgnutls-dev |
| 21:48.58 | yagoo | the one you pasted is about libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
| 21:49.15 | BlaDe^ | sorry, i just cleared my window.. apt-get install what ? |
| 21:49.17 | yagoo | "libgnutls-dev : Depends: libgnutls26 (= 2.8.6-1) but 2.12.14-5 is to be installed" |
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| 21:49.31 | yagoo | ^ wasnt in pastebin.. |
| 21:49.36 | BlaDe^ | it is for me |
| 21:49.41 | BlaDe^ | weird |
| 21:49.42 | yagoo | so keep digging :/ |
| 21:49.53 | yagoo | apt-get install libgnutls26 |
| 21:49.59 | yagoo | actually it's that point.. |
| 21:50.01 | yagoo | ^. |
| 21:50.14 | BlaDe^ | "libgnutls26 is already the newest version." |
| 21:50.15 | yagoo | looks like an issue with that last one |
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| 21:50.55 | yagoo | " (= 2.8.6-1) " perhaps it should be >= to fix it |
| 21:51.56 | yagoo | BlaDe^, apt-cache policy libgnutls26 |
| 21:52.45 | yagoo | BlaDe^, are all the packages from debian repos besides the one from nginx ? |
| 21:52.51 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: http://pastie.org/3098281 |
| 21:53.04 | BlaDe^ | yes yagoo but this was previously all unstable.. then i did a dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 21:53.17 | teratoma | sounds like a dist downgrade! |
| 21:53.39 | yagoo | BlaDe^, where's 2.12.14-5 from ? |
| 21:54.11 | BlaDe^ | how do I find out? |
| 21:54.16 | yagoo | BlaDe^, looks like you did dpkg -i because doesn't say a repo from your last paste |
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| 21:54.40 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: this is a VM that gets passed around at work.... so developers can just setup and then sync to our remote repo |
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| 21:54.57 | BlaDe^ | it's realllllly old. But now when compiling php 5.4 i am getting errors, and can't install the dependencies |
| 21:55.10 | yagoo | BlaDe^, see what requires 2.12.14-5 .. |
| 21:56.05 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: does this help: http://pastie.org/3098310 |
| 21:56.21 | yagoo | BlaDe^, if none do then you can probably force it's removal (notice we're not removing libc << that you cant simply force remove).. then install the 2.8 version |
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| 21:56.55 | BlaDe^ | should i do the apt-get remove then? |
| 21:57.06 | yagoo | BlaDe^, thats' not alot of apps.. dont remove hte libgnutls this way.. |
| 21:57.22 | yagoo | BlaDe^, check each of those apps/try to determine if they require 2.12.. |
| 21:57.36 | yagoo | BlaDe^, also.. um |
| 21:57.47 | yagoo | BlaDe^, libngutls-dev sources are probably not updated.. |
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| 21:58.05 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: ok so how do I check if they require 2.12 ? |
| 21:58.14 | BlaDe^ | apt-get policy? |
| 21:58.22 | yagoo | BlaDe^, did you check to see if you have sources in apt's sources.list for squeeze? (then do apt-get update) |
| 21:58.46 | BlaDe^ | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main <-- these ? |
| 21:59.01 | yagoo | !sources |
| 21:59.01 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:59.21 | BlaDe^ | yep got them |
| 21:59.23 | yagoo | BlaDe^, what's in sources.list ? |
| 21:59.53 | BlaDe^ | http://pastie.org/3098324 |
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| 22:02.00 | BlaDe^ | @ yagoo |
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| 22:03.56 | yagoo | BlaDe^, have main contrib non-free in deb-src .. |
| 22:04.14 | yagoo | BlaDe^, i'm not sure where 2.12 is.. did you check debian.org/Packages/? |
| 22:04.35 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: like this? deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 22:04.39 | yagoo | i think it's renamed-> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgnutls-dev |
| 22:05.17 | yagoo | actually i found it.. it doesnt look renamed... 2.8.. has same name.. |
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| 22:07.38 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: is that good? |
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| 22:09.46 | yagoo | BlaDe^, it's pita.. you'll have problems downgrading |
| 22:10.05 | yagoo | BlaDe^, if it were a few packages.. but there may be much more problems |
| 22:10.20 | yagoo | BlaDe^, downgrading isn't possible.. |
| 22:10.26 | yagoo | BlaDe^, it's manual intervention.. |
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| 22:10.58 | BlaDe^ | yagoo: damn... where do I start? can I just remove them and re-install a specific ? |
| 22:11.02 | BlaDe^ | i only want php to build :( |
| 22:11.08 | BlaDe^ | and it needs curl |
| 22:11.16 | yagoo | BlaDe^, um.. |
| 22:11.55 | yagoo | BlaDe^, you said you were using unstable.. most people who are not into the harcore stuff, use "testing" and not "unstable" |
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| 22:12.15 | BlaDe^ | yeah, this is unstable from years ago - it's a very old work VM that all of the developers use |
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| 22:12.18 | yagoo | BlaDe^, maybe add testing to your repos and apt-get update, then apt-get install that problematic app |
| 22:12.31 | BlaDe^ | i did a dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 22:12.33 | yagoo | BlaDe^, it cant be.. |
| 22:12.40 | yagoo | BlaDe^, because you have 2.12 in there |
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| 22:14.04 | yagoo | app/or-dev source .. |
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| 22:15.09 | minism | hi, when creating a new debian package, im a little confused at the usage of 'dch -i' and 'dpkg-source --commit' |
| 22:15.20 | minism | should they both be used? |
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| 22:21.08 | SVNDR | ive got this atleast every minute or less in my auth.log -- Dec 26 11:33:55 debian getty[6845]: /dev/hvc0: No such file or directory -- what does it mean? |
| 22:21.15 | SVNDR | well i know what it means, but why? |
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| 22:24.29 | gribouille | what does this mean : dpkg-deb: warning: conffile name <file name> is duplicated? |
| 22:24.36 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: best guess check your /etc/fstab and see if its setup to automount that it might be stuck in a loop if its trying to mount it and its not there |
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| 22:27.12 | yagoo | SVNDR, is this a xen vm? |
| 22:27.46 | SVNDR | yagoo: yes |
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| 22:29.17 | SVNDR | yagoo: well its a virtualization of xen |
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| 22:29.55 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: http://pastebin.com/ZeGBZgge |
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| 22:31.06 | yagoo | SVNDR, well something is incorrectly configured, it could be specified on the bootline, or probably in iniittab for getty |
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| 22:32.49 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: try sudo umount /dev/hd0 in terminal |
| 22:33.09 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: wait |
| 22:33.51 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: type mount in terminal hit enter and paste that on pastebin, we can find out what /dev/hd0 is mounted as |
| 22:34.50 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: http://pastebin.com/sxxyZhZM |
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| 22:35.47 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: yeah type sudo umount /dev/hd0 and see if it says its not mounted or if it just goes to the next line. According to your mounts thats not being mounted at all |
| 22:36.38 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: command not found |
| 22:37.08 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: to which part the sudo or umount? |
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| 22:37.24 | SVNDR | sudo |
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| 22:37.44 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: oh i forget its not auto installed. Okay type su login with your root password then type umount /dev/hd0 |
| 22:37.48 | gribouille | what does this mean : dpkg-deb: warning: conffile name <file name> is duplicated? |
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| 22:38.39 | SVNDR | linkcislinux umount: /dev/hd0: not found |
| 22:39.04 | nyuszika7h | Try /dev/hda0 |
| 22:39.38 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: i mean umount /dev/hvc0 |
| 22:39.40 | SVNDR | nyuszika7h same response |
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| 22:39.54 | nyuszika7h | It was a guess only :P |
| 22:39.56 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: I read what you had put earlier wrong its hvc0 not hd0 |
| 22:40.08 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: same again |
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| 22:40.35 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: try umount /dev/hvc |
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| 22:41.11 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: still not finding it lol |
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| 22:42.13 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: being abit of a cheeky one hey |
| 22:42.49 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: a little bit lol |
| 22:43.13 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: type cat /proc/cmdline see if you get anything |
| 22:43.33 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: like something ending with console=hvc0 |
| 22:43.53 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=b7a677a6-af0a-4c67-8906-e8b77420ab01 ro quiet |
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| 22:45.15 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: can you pastebin your /etc/inittab file |
| 22:45.30 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: sure, one sec |
| 22:45.34 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: like cat /etc/inittab then post that there |
| 22:46.16 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: the whole lot? |
| 22:46.21 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: yes pls |
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| 22:47.24 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: http://pastebin.com/E3GiqsRn |
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| 22:49.26 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: uname -r what kernel are you running? |
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| 22:50.37 | SVNDR | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:51.20 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: do you have a folder called init in /etc/ ? |
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| 22:51.57 | SVNDR | i do not.. |
| 22:52.25 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: your not on a xen kernel or a vps or something are you? |
| 22:52.41 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: yea VPS |
| 22:53.07 | SVNDR | and a virtualization of xen |
| 22:53.24 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: do you have a file called /etc/init.hvc0.conf? |
| 22:53.59 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: nah |
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| 22:56.43 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: thinking lol |
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| 22:57.03 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: my mind stopped about 10 minutes ago :D |
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| 22:58.25 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: I think your missing the hvc0 file thats why its griping |
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| 22:59.15 | gribouille | what does this mean : dpkg-deb: warning: conffile name <file name> is duplicated? |
| 22:59.43 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: was in mounted incorrectly? |
| 22:59.57 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: okay try this sudo cp /etc/init/tty1.conf /etc/init/hvc0.conf |
| 23:00.52 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: I mean cp then the rest of it, skip the sudo parts lol |
| 23:01.06 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: cp: cannot stat `/etc/init/tty1.conf': No such file or directory |
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| 23:02.48 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: okay in the terminal type cd /etc/init/ |
| 23:03.02 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: let me know if it switches you to that or errors |
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| 23:03.41 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: error ;p |
| 23:03.50 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: haha go figure |
| 23:03.56 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: deffinately a cheeky one, playing hard to get |
| 23:04.35 | SVNDR | lol |
| 23:04.41 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: try cd /etc/event.d/ |
| 23:04.57 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: same deal |
| 23:05.23 | k-man | if I set up a couple of aliases for my nic, will they each be able to get a different ip from the dhcp server? |
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| 23:05.41 | k-man | or will I have to manually specify the ip address for each alias? |
| 23:06.01 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: hmm |
| 23:06.20 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: hmm indeed |
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| 23:08.57 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: big picture.. is it eating up mem or diskspace trying to do what its doing? |
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| 23:09.11 | omido | linux kernel 3.1 is bad |
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| 23:09.23 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: besides creating a hell of long auth.log |
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| 23:09.58 | omido | where can i discuss issues regarding the linux kernel? (not distro specific) |
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| 23:10.03 | RCP | love debian |
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| 23:10.09 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: im trying to get it to stop respawning but its weird its not in your inittab at all. what you pasted me that was all of it right? it didnt cut off ? |
| 23:10.26 | Na_Klar | I try to find out the reason for some strange blackouts on my debian server for months now. Symptom: ca. 5 min blackouts of the server on all ports. Probably intermittent (I am still analysing this) approx. twice a day. I setup a script (even two) which timestamps the whole day periodically. I set up auditd and catched syscalls. I logged everything (atop, the running servers and services,... |
| 23:10.27 | Na_Klar | ...a.s.o ..), but I cannot find any error. I checked the disk, the RAM, CPU and netware. Everything is fine. I ran out of debugging-ideas. Give me some inspiration ^^ |
| 23:10.34 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: nope was deffinately all of it |
| 23:10.41 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: OH then I need it all |
| 23:10.42 | omido | RCP: i just downloaded Debian 6.0.3 KDE live 64bit |
| 23:11.24 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: no, thats what i mean, it was deffinately all of it lol |
| 23:11.36 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: OH lol |
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| 23:14.15 | sylar | how do I change it so that firefox would be the default browser of all users instead of epiphay for all users? |
| 23:14.44 | omido | sylar: KDE or gnome? |
| 23:14.59 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: ive seriously looked at a page worth a google results.. and nothing lol |
| 23:15.54 | linkcislinux | sylar: su..type in root password.. update-alternatives --config x-www-browser type that in the terminal. then press the number next to firefox |
| 23:16.05 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: lol thats what im doing still trying to help fix your prob |
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| 23:17.05 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: your a legend, ill owe you a couple beers ;) |
| 23:17.32 | linkcislinux | linkcislinux: lol its keeping me from doing my paperwork so im procrastinating lol |
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| 23:18.30 | sylar | linkcislinux: this doesn't seem to work |
| 23:18.40 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: if you got other stuff to do go do that, this isnt effecting anything its just annoying trying to check through my auth.log |
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| 23:19.19 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: okay try this. type as root nano /etc/init.hvc0.conf then paste this in that file http://pastebin.com/yFyK6uJ9 . Try restarting the vps then and see if that fixes it |
| 23:19.21 | sylar | linkcislinux: things still get opened with epiphany, and the icon on the panel )next to "System" is still epiphany |
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| 23:20.55 | linkcislinux | sylar: how did you install firefox? |
| 23:21.09 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: alright, if i get disconnected i will be back ;) |
| 23:21.17 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: okay :) |
| 23:21.34 | sylar | linkcislinux: i think it came with debian (iceweasel its called here) |
| 23:21.35 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: can i restart the VPS from the terminal? |
| 23:21.53 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, are you still at your "why does init try to access /dev/hvc0" question? |
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| 23:22.11 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: he is, but hes restarting the vps |
| 23:22.27 | thewanderer1 | hm ok, I don't know a damned thing about Xen, but that's an inittab thing... |
| 23:22.56 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: thats what I thought too, but I checked his inittab the hvc0 isnt in there at all lol |
| 23:23.10 | jnewt | i have squeeze with iceweasel browser, and no flash, so i found a guild, and did sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:23.21 | jnewt | guide, not guild |
| 23:23.30 | jnewt | i still have no flash |
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| 23:23.39 | linkcislinux | sylar: oh hmm |
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| 23:24.42 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: back |
| 23:24.52 | linkcislinux | jnewt: your going to have to manually install the flash player file most likely |
| 23:24.56 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: wb any luck? |
| 23:25.09 | mitawasona | quit |
| 23:25.12 | nvz | could someone aid me in the dependencies of cap_sasl.pl for irrsi: Crypt::OpenSSL::Bignum, Crypt::DH and Crypt::Blowfish? |
| 23:25.14 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: about to check |
| 23:25.17 | jnewt | linkcislinux: i don't even see it. where does it go? |
| 23:25.27 | linkcislinux | sylar: http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/make-firefox-default-browser-debian/start |
| 23:25.41 | jnewt | and by manually install, you mean like when you download something and have to "manually" double-click on it? |
| 23:26.26 | linkcislinux | jnewt: type whereis iceweasel in terminal, i think its /usr/lib/iceweasel, but check that command and see if one of those has a path like that |
| 23:26.59 | nvz | jnewt: manually install means i.e. not seleted as a dependency of something. if I say install foo and it requires and selects and installs bar, I can later say install bar and it will go from auto to manual |
| 23:27.00 | linkcislinux | jnewt: i mean manually like i did which is manually put the lib file in your plugins folder |
| 23:27.10 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: still there :| |
| 23:27.34 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: you want to take a stab at it now? lol |
| 23:27.55 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: or just stab it in general.. no matter |
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| 23:28.15 | jnewt | yup it has that path, along with others |
| 23:28.31 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: sorry man im like out of ideas ive gone through like 30 pages of google |
| 23:28.42 | linkcislinux | jnewt: okay is one /usr/lib/iceweasel? |
| 23:28.49 | jnewt | yeah, one is |
| 23:28.57 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: your still a champ! cheers for the help anyways |
| 23:28.57 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, so do you want to eliminate the message that bugs you, or make serial console work in Xen? O.o |
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| 23:29.28 | linkcislinux | jnewt: okay type cd /usr/lib/iceweasel..then type ls..see if there is something called plugins/ |
| 23:29.57 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: well, lets throw a couple idea at it.. if that wont help we can throw other stuff at it.. like rocks, and grenades.. deal? |
| 23:30.06 | SVNDR | ideas* |
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| 23:30.43 | jnewt | likcislinux: no, there is not |
| 23:30.48 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: whoever runs your vps like host it, i think you might be able to contact them and they fix it lol |
| 23:30.58 | sylar | linkcislinux: that make the irc client open the page in iceweasel :D but still the icon remain epiphany on the panel |
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| 23:31.24 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, yeah but I'm asking what you want to do with it. do you use the serial console? |
| 23:31.25 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: its an unmanaged vps, so i dont know if they would like to, but they might aswell lol |
| 23:31.39 | linkcislinux | sylar: your going to have to manually change the icon or add the icon up there yourself. Open Applications > Internet and drag the firefox icon up there next to the epiphany. Then delete the ephiphany icon |
| 23:31.41 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: mainly SSH |
| 23:31.48 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, "mainly"? what else, then? |
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| 23:31.56 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: I'm off to bed, but the general idea would be to track all the packages you have installed that are newer than what's available in squeeze, and remove + install the squeeze versions |
| 23:31.58 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: tell them its using up space on your log thus using up space on your vps |
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| 23:32.10 | linkcislinux | jnewt: okay one sec |
| 23:32.33 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: but of FTP from time to time, not much though |
| 23:32.34 | sylar | linkcislinux: well, I have many users , I will have to do that many times then |
| 23:32.46 | SVNDR | bit* |
| 23:33.03 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, ah, then edit /etc/inittab and rip the line with hvc0 out |
| 23:33.03 | linkcislinux | sylar: sorry man, but that icon up there isnt controlled by anything. Think of it like a shortcut you made on Windows. |
| 23:33.07 | jelly-home | BlaDe^: see: /msg dpkg not available ; /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 23:33.27 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/E3GiqsRn <-- thats SVNDR's inittab its not in there I checked lol |
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| 23:33.41 | linkcislinux | jnewt: type su and login with your root password |
| 23:33.49 | sylar | linkcislinux: is there a way to change it, so that new users will have iceweasel, instead? |
| 23:34.06 | jnewt | linkcislinux: done |
| 23:34.23 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, well, ok, then rgrep getty /etc and see where it is... |
| 23:34.30 | thewanderer1 | (find the bummer and delete it) |
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| 23:34.35 | linkcislinux | sylar: I think thats a gnome default is ephiphany thing. I dont think you can change that default |
| 23:34.39 | linkcislinux | sylar: wait |
| 23:34.49 | linkcislinux | sylar: you could probably trick it but it wont change the icon lol |
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| 23:35.21 | jnewt | many of them say to do cd /path-to-software and then make install, but with a completely unkown path-to-software, the resto of the guide really doesn't help |
| 23:35.23 | linkcislinux | jnewt: type mkdir /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 23:35.30 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: you want me to pastebin the output? |
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| 23:35.51 | jnewt | linkcislinux: done |
| 23:36.11 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, is it anything of particular meaningfulness? :P |
| 23:36.14 | linkcislinux | sylar: in the terminal type ephiphany and hit enter see if that opens ephiphany if not try ephiphany-browser |
| 23:37.03 | linkcislinux | jnewt: are you on 32bit or 64bit debian? |
| 23:37.13 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: only thing that catches my eye is '/etc/init.hvc0.conf:# hvc0 - getty' |
| 23:37.17 | sylar | linkcislinux: both open epiphany |
| 23:37.48 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: plus 2 more, saying different stuff |
| 23:37.49 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, well, ok, paste the whole thing... |
| 23:38.03 | linkcislinux | sylar: okay now where going to trick your system a bit lol. type su and login as root. then rm /usr/bin/ephiphany. See what it says after you type that |
| 23:38.39 | mhall119 | maybe mv might be more prudent than rm? |
| 23:38.41 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/AXTDqj2e |
| 23:38.46 | jnewt | linkcislinux: i686 whatever that is |
| 23:38.53 | thewanderer1 | linkcislinux, wtf are you just doing? :P |
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| 23:39.22 | sylar | bash: /usr/bin/epiphany: No such file or directory |
| 23:39.30 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: going to make a LN link for his firefox browser so that icon will open iceweasel instead of ephiphany lol |
| 23:39.38 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, first, there *is* an entry in your inittab regarding this getty... why wasn't it earlier in the listing? O.o |
| 23:39.48 | thewanderer1 | linkcislinux, not a good idea |
| 23:39.53 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: why not? |
| 23:40.02 | thewanderer1 | linkcislinux, dpkg will not be happy |
| 23:40.20 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: only just made the hvc0.conf before rebooting |
| 23:40.21 | jnewt | linkcislinux: i have an amd64 dual core processor though, so i'd guess it would be 64 bit, not sure what i686 is, but i also have a amd64 kernel option in grub, along with about a half dozen other options that i don't know what to do with |
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| 23:40.28 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: to see if it would help |
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| 23:40.34 | huglester | guys, I have libfreetype6-dev : Depends: libfreetype6 (= 2.4.2-2.1+squeeze3) but 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed ... what isthe best solve this problem..somehow to ignore this dependency? |
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| 23:40.36 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, I mean /etc/inittab |
| 23:40.38 | Na_Klar | How do one read atop log files again? |
| 23:40.51 | huglester | because reinstalling to squeeze package, willl remove bunch of packages |
| 23:41.05 | linkcislinux | sylar: well my idea according to thewanderer1 is not a good idea, ive done it before, but thats my system lol |
| 23:41.05 | sylar | linkcislinux: bash: /usr/bin/epiphany: No such file or directory |
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| 23:41.37 | sylar | linkcislinux: I could copy iceweasel to epiphany |
| 23:41.40 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: i see now, forgive my eyes they are going 24hours straight at the moment |
| 23:41.52 | jnewt | linkcislinux: there doesn't seem to be anything that says 64-bit Operating system, but i see 86 and 64 sprinkled everywhere, its just very unclear |
| 23:41.56 | sylar | linkcislinux: but... then if someone would want to use epiphany their toast |
| 23:42.08 | linkcislinux | jnewt: okay well go here and click Linux 32 bit or Linux 64 bit depending on which one you have and download and extract it to your desktop. |
| 23:42.30 | linkcislinux | jnewt: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ |
| 23:42.40 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, <linkcislinux> thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/E3GiqsRn was supposed to be your inittab, and I didn't see getty either O.o |
| 23:42.43 | linkcislinux | sylar: true, let me look up something real quick |
| 23:42.53 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, anyway, open /etc/inittab, remove the getty line with hvc0 |
| 23:43.00 | nevyn | jnewt: you want X86_64 if you have installed linux X86_64 |
| 23:43.07 | nevyn | which is 64bit |
| 23:43.28 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, err, how are you not seeing Flash in Iceweasel? have you checked the Plugins option? |
| 23:43.29 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: wait that wasnt his inittab file?? |
| 23:43.42 | thewanderer1 | linkcislinux, apparently, it was incomplete or not at all :P |
| 23:43.54 | btr | hello, i have problem installing debian from my usb3 port (unfortunately I have no other) . im running it from usb-cdrom. is there some boot option or something that will add support for usb3 to debian installer? thanks |
| 23:43.58 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: haha I asked him just that and he said it was |
| 23:44.23 | zaltekk | i need some help getting my font dpi right in gtk apps using i3wm. i have Xft.dpi: 96 in my ~/.Xdefaults, but it seems to be ignored. |
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| 23:44.28 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: SVNDR | linkcislinux: nope was deffinately all of it |
| 23:44.42 | thewanderer1 | well anyway, grep did find hvc0 in inittab. |
| 23:44.43 | zaltekk | chrome looks okay, but firefox and sublimetext have HUGE(about 4-5times the size of my terminal font) menus and such |
| 23:44.57 | PerfDave | btr: I wonder if your USB chipset is supported by the kernel used in the Debian installer - have you tried reading the Install Guide? |
| 23:45.01 | zaltekk | using about:config in firefox didn't fix anything |
| 23:46.13 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: boom got it |
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| 23:46.34 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: remember I said it was in your inittab but we couldnt find it in that pastebin lol |
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| 23:47.13 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: yeah, im looking at the pastebin now, trying to see if its showing it all.. swear it was |
| 23:47.21 | zaltekk | the actual text in web pages with firefox and the editor with sublime text is fine |
| 23:47.23 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, now, `init q` and your message is gone |
| 23:47.29 | zaltekk | it's just the menus and such that are horrid |
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| 23:48.10 | btr | PerfDave: i'll check |
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| 23:48.42 | SVNDR | thewanderer1 and linkcislinux: right now the link is at 74 in my inittab, in the pastebin its not there are all.. |
| 23:48.51 | SVNDR | line* |
| 23:48.58 | thewanderer1 | yes... |
| 23:49.18 | jnewt | how do i know what option grub is running, should be running, and how do i remove the one's it's not? I'll deal with the flash after that i guess. |
| 23:49.19 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: maybe paste bin cut it off just to mess with you |
| 23:50.10 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: but all the lines are there untill 78.. |
| 23:50.15 | thewanderer1 | aha, you're using pastebin.com instead of the free paste.debian.net... there's your problem! :P |
| 23:50.28 | SVNDR | hahaha |
| 23:50.38 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: point taken |
| 23:51.00 | SVNDR | adds paste.debian.net to his bookmarks |
| 23:51.43 | SVNDR | thewanderer1 and linkcislinux: thanks both of yous but.. both champs now |
| 23:52.18 | btr | PerfDave: I looked into the manual of my motherboard and i found usb2 port .. problem suspended.. thx |
| 23:53.22 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: am i right to delete everything from my auth.log? |
| 23:53.53 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, well, you won't get run over by a herd of angry penguins, no |
| 23:54.35 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: penguins are never angry, they always get to wear tuxedos |
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| 23:58.18 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: that sounds like something The Waterboy would say lol |
| 23:58.39 | teratoma | how do i make the dpkg bot tell me version numbers of a package in stable testing sid ? |
| 23:58.43 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: haha it does hey |
| 23:59.40 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: like alligators are mad because they got all those teeth and no tooth brush |
