| 00:01.01 | bitcycle | arghx: when I call thunar-volman, it requires the sysfs path of the new devices. Where would that be, in debian? |
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| 00:31.02 | abox | hi, how to set default CFLAGS in debian when build packages? |
| 00:31.31 | arghx | just set CFLAGS? |
| 00:31.51 | abox | but where? |
| 00:32.05 | arghx | where do you normally set them? |
| 00:32.26 | abox | i try with CFLAGS='-O2 -Wall' make and doesn't work |
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| 00:32.53 | arghx | you don't run make when you build a debian package |
| 00:33.00 | abox | yes |
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| 00:33.15 | arghx | CFLAGS is an environment variable. just set it |
| 00:33.16 | abox | dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 00:34.08 | abox | so CFLAGS='-O2 -Wall' dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc should work? |
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| 00:34.55 | arghx | export it instead |
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| 00:36.42 | cthuluh | CFLAGS=foo your-command should be enough, but shrug |
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| 00:46.32 | justjealouse | how do I add an additional folder to my 'places' menu on the desktop |
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| 00:53.26 | parcs | what is the difference between debian stable and ubuntu lts? |
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| 00:54.20 | parcs | heh, never mind |
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| 00:58.24 | justjealouse | my questions still out there, just saying |
| 00:59.22 | babilen | justjealouse: AFAIK you can just drag&drop directories in nautilus to the sidebar |
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| 01:01.33 | rypervenche | justjealouse: Right-click the menu. |
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| 01:04.34 | justjealouse | rypervenche: when i try to edit the menus, the only options given are Applications and System |
| 01:05.13 | rypervenche | justjealouse: I'm not sure then. I don't use Gnome anymore. Xfce here :P |
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| 01:08.54 | sht | could anyone explain how to use apt-get in a shell script properly? im finding in my bash scripts that after running apt-get -y install/remove <something> my script just stops where it is and needs to be ctrl-c'ed |
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| 01:09.32 | sht | i think it has something to do with the non-interactive use of apt-get, and i tried export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive as some users suggest |
| 01:09.49 | sht | but no go |
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| 01:11.40 | Zone | sht: where exactly does it stop? what are the last few lines of output from apt-get? |
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| 01:13.07 | sht | well it succeeds no problem |
| 01:13.11 | sht | but the rest of my script breaks |
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| 01:13.17 | sht | it basically just halts |
| 01:13.21 | andylondinium | on the testing version of debian how can i get the desktop panels like i had in 2.6 stable/??? |
| 01:13.22 | sht | and i have to ctrl+C |
| 01:13.32 | sht | almost like there is a read line in there |
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| 01:15.59 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Hello all |
| 01:18.15 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Quick question here. I'd like to upgrade my server to Debian Testing from Squeeze. I modified my sources.list file accordingly. Now, what's the safest way to do the upgrade without destroying anything? Will an aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade do the job? |
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| 01:19.16 | somiaj | DJHouseK1pp1ng: your server? You know it is strongly discouraged to run testing on production machines? Also if you don't know what your doing you may run into issues. |
| 01:19.23 | somiaj | DJHouseK1pp1ng: why do you want to run testing? |
| 01:20.09 | somiaj | DJHouseK1pp1ng: the upgrade to testing has not been testing it may destroy things, so make sure you backup first. |
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| 01:21.31 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Sorry, "server" always sounds super critical. Actually, it's just a virtual server that I use for playing / messing around to improve my Linux skills, but it's nothing world-changing. I just thought it would be a good idea to run Testing to always get the latest packages easily, isn't it? I understand they haven't been fully tested, but that should be fine. |
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| 01:23.28 | somiaj | DJHouseK1pp1ng: the best thing to do is if there is a newer version of something you want to test, make a backport |
| 01:24.32 | somiaj | DJHouseK1pp1ng: this way your overall system is stable, but you have the newer toy to play with. If you want to upgrade doing it in steps is usually safer (but not as much fun). Some suggest you upgrade apt/dpkg and possibally the kernel first, then do safe-upgrde then the full-upgrade. |
| 01:25.24 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Oh, really? Do you maybe have a link to a site describing this process? I haven't done this so far, but if that's a better option, why not! |
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| 01:25.39 | DanDare | DJHouseK1pp1ng, problem is that you want to improve your skills, with testing it turns harder to spot when something goes wrong (its the configuration file? its a bug? who knows?) |
| 01:26.13 | babilen | andylondinium: I assume you are referring to the upgrade from gnome2 to gnome3 -- What you are seeing is essentially the new gnome release (cf. http://www.gnome.org) and you should get used to it. There is a fallback session in gnome-session-fallback, but it might not exactly be what you are looking for) |
| 01:26.54 | andylondinium | babilen: but that means no panels? |
| 01:26.59 | DanDare | Well, maybe you want practice skills in hunting bugs also :) |
| 01:27.11 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Hmmm yep, there's definitely some truth in that Dandare. Mostly logs show any types of errors, but not always. |
| 01:28.21 | DanDare | note that not even stable is bug free, but no comparsion with testing (I guess) |
| 01:28.43 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Haha, well... Probably not something I'd fall "in love" with, but if I had to hunt for bugs, I'd rather do it on a hobby machine than on one that can cause serious trouble if it goes down, lol. |
| 01:29.08 | babilen | andylondinium: Yes |
| 01:29.10 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Yeah... is there even something like "bug-free software"? Doubt it :-) |
| 01:29.17 | DanDare | yeah |
| 01:29.56 | babilen | andylondinium: See, for example, http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.0/ and http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/ for more details. |
| 01:30.04 | OldParr | someday software will debug itself |
| 01:30.05 | andylondinium | babilen: oh god, i need panels and buttons and stuff, what can i do to get something? |
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| 01:31.41 | babilen | andylondinium: I would try Gnome3 for a while and give it a shot. It is different, but not worse (IMHO) than before. If you don't like it you can use a different desktop environment or window manager. Some people like XFCE for example. |
| 01:31.54 | DJHouseK1pp1ng | Hmmm, not sure. Because for that, a software would need the ability to "judge" what is "good" or "bad" behavior, and that would once again be something that would have to be implemented, and which could thus contain errors in itself. And then, well, I guess the software would need to compile itself as well :-) |
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| 01:32.01 | andylondinium | thanks |
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| 01:58.53 | qwaz | where is the vim config file. All I want to do is :set number everytime I open vim up |
| 01:59.15 | qwaz | I cannot chat in the #vim channel and I use debian so I'm posting here sorry. |
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| 02:00.18 | mvv | vim ~/.vimrc |
| 02:00.39 | mvv | man vim would have answered your question though :| |
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| 02:02.39 | qwaz | That's what it told me but I do not have that file. Only a .viminfo |
| 02:02.53 | qwaz | Maybe I just make it? |
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| 02:06.03 | qwaz | Nevermind it's in /etc/vim sorry for asking questions. Allthough this channel does not seem to be that active anwyays so meh. |
| 02:06.16 | qwaz | asking dumb* wuestions |
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| 02:08.04 | mvv | just make it |
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| 02:11.07 | bitcycle | Hey all. Can someone advise me on how to filter only the msg (without the date/time, hostname, etc) into a specific log file with rsyslog.conf? |
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| 02:16.33 | Dulak | bitcycle that seems silly, why would you not just filter the log file it outputs and sort out the pieces you want? |
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| 02:17.22 | Dulak | a simple awk script would remove the pieces you want and output just the field you want |
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| 02:17.43 | Tony | I'm running Debian 6 on my server install |
| 02:18.18 | bitcycle | Dulak: Its just that the log msgs are coming from python, and its already got some of these fields like date/time, host, etc. I would like to avoid duplicating fields. |
| 02:18.34 | Tony | and I want to add a repository to keep up with nginx and php 5 updates. I want to only get those two packages from that repository. How do I do that in my sources.list file? |
| 02:19.27 | Tony | the repository os dotdeb.org and the packages I want to get and / or update are PHP5 and NGINX. |
| 02:19.42 | Tony | thank you for any help |
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| 02:23.34 | Dulak | bitcycle: rsyslog has filters but you would have to play with it a bit to see if you could do that. I myself would just edit the python and add a decorator function that filtered out what I didn't want duped. |
| 02:23.43 | shadowcry | Hello mates, I am using a Debian server and need to setup chroot jails, any tips on what I should use? |
| 02:23.46 | alazare619 | anyone here effectively get gnome-keyring to save passwords if it wasnt installed by default |
| 02:23.48 | alazare619 | ie a netinstall |
| 02:24.25 | mvv | shadowcry: yeah, don't bother with chroot jails. |
| 02:24.43 | mvv | shadowcry: vserver, openvz, are both more secure options |
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| 02:24.57 | batouzo | what is the proper way to allow user X to get console with X access (like "sux") as user B, only by entering A's password. Soemthing with sudoers? |
| 02:25.07 | batouzo | erm, user A. |
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| 02:25.46 | shadowcry | mvv: really? i just want to lock users to a dir |
| 02:27.50 | bitcycle | Dulak: I guess what's bothering me most is that I've got this strange un-printable char showing up in the tail on syslog: � |
| 02:28.07 | bitcycle | Dulak: Any ideas why that character might be showing up? |
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| 02:34.35 | mvv | shadowcry: why? |
| 02:35.01 | batouzo | bitcycle: try hexdump? |
| 02:35.09 | batouzo | and google it |
| 02:35.18 | sakal | hi, how can I run N copy of process from shell? is't possible? |
| 02:36.17 | mvv | sakal: something like for i in {1..${N}}; do stuff & ; done perhaps |
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| 02:36.34 | babilen | shadowcry: Take a look at scponly |
| 02:37.29 | babilen | sakal: What are you trying to do? Does GNU/parallel fit your needs? http://www.gnu.org/s/parallel/ |
| 02:37.32 | sakal | mvv, thanks. I knew about for, but I think that exists some command for run N copy of process parallel |
| 02:37.53 | shadowcry | mvv: because I don't want users leaving their home dir's |
| 02:38.13 | sakal | it's for test or benchmark, named as you wish |
| 02:38.58 | Tony | can anyone please help me with a question about repositories? thank you |
| 02:39.20 | mvv | shadowcry: why not? |
| 02:39.50 | babilen | sakal: Debian does unfortunately not package GNU/parallel right now due to a name-clash with parallel from moreutils (#597050) -- But Tollef's version might suffice. |
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| 02:40.04 | babilen | Tony: Just ask |
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| 02:41.10 | Tony | babilen I got Debian 6 running on my VPS. I want to use the latest NGINX and PHP FPM packages from the "dotdeb" repository, but I want to keep using all the other packages like mysql from the regular Debian stable repositories |
| 02:41.15 | Tony | how do I do that? |
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| 02:41.45 | Tony | does sources.list allow me to specify which packages to install and / or update from a certain repository? |
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| 02:41.53 | babilen | !dotdeb |
| 02:41.54 | dpkg | [dotdeb] for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 02:41.57 | wook | Heya folks, where should i put .desktop file so that some app should start when system is up? |
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| 02:42.14 | george__ | can someone tell me why an http server is running on my machine if I don't have apache2 installed? |
| 02:42.23 | babilen | !tell Tony -about pinning |
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| 02:42.42 | babilen | Tony: Note that dotdeb's repository is not really known for well maintained packages |
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| 02:43.20 | Tony | babilen then I'll stay away from it. I'm mainly interested in NGINX and PHP FPM (FastCGI for NGINX) |
| 02:43.27 | babilen | Tony: You might be able to achieve what you want with suitable pinning, but I would personally not use dotdeb packages. |
| 02:43.32 | shadowcry | mvv: because I don't trust them |
| 02:43.51 | Tony | babilen would you recommend using backports packages? |
| 02:43.58 | babilen | Yes |
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| 02:44.38 | DanDare | Hello. In Xfce4 whats the command sequence to change working areas ? |
| 02:44.42 | Tony | babilen I already quit using ubuntu for my servers because debian seems to have better maintained packages, much cleaner and better organized. I don't need to go trough that Hell. |
| 02:44.50 | DanDare | *keystroke sequence |
| 02:44.59 | OldParr | .pinning |
| 02:45.53 | shadowcry | bye |
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| 02:47.55 | Tony | <babilen> what are the differences between using apt-get and aptitude for installing and / or uninstalling packages. I only switched to using Debian 2 months ago. Before then I was using CentOS / Fedora. Thank you. |
| 02:49.07 | babilen | Tony: You can get nginx 1.1.0-1~bpo60+1 from backports and you can probably backport php5-fpm yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" -- Note that I (luckily) have no real experience with PHP and I am not sure how php5-fpm (5.3.8.0-1) behaves with the php5 version that is in stable right now (5.3.3-7+squeeze3) |
| 02:49.18 | babilen | !tell Tony -about why aptitude |
| 02:49.22 | babilen | !tell Tony -about why not aptitude |
| 02:50.20 | babilen | Tony: I primarily use apt-get unless I need aptitude's powerful search functionaly, its interactive resolver or just a tool that does not have super cow powers (cf. "apt-get moo") |
| 02:51.46 | Tony | babilen I write PHP code mostly for Drupal modules. the last number in PHP releases are bug fixes and security fixes. I assume that PHP 5.3.3 in stable has fixes backported from higher versions of PHP, but using 5.3.8 instead of 5.3.3 won't hurt anything. |
| 02:51.57 | wook | anyone developed any tool that packs/repacks .deb archives on "\" systems (symbian || win32) |
| 02:52.19 | pipeline | dpkg probably builds on cygwin |
| 02:52.19 | dpkg | pipeline: i don't know |
| 02:52.25 | pipeline | heh |
| 02:52.35 | dioz_ | heh |
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| 02:53.09 | wook | There's pypackager, but, i am now aware of problem that tarfile.py produces :S |
| 02:53.14 | textantator | anyone knows a good beginner developer tool for c ? |
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| 02:53.52 | babilen | Tony: The php5-fpm backport itself should be possible as all build dependencies are satisfied. I just can't provide any guarantee that this actually works and integrates well with the rest of the system. I would definitely try it on a test server first before going into production with this setup. |
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| 02:54.40 | Tony | <babilen> I run 2 VPS servers. The production server is running Debian 6 Squeeze with default packages |
| 02:54.53 | Tony | I am testing this stuff on my test server |
| 02:55.10 | Tony | its a small VPS with a Quad Opteron and 512MB ram |
| 02:55.30 | dioz_ | cool story |
| 02:55.36 | babilen | textantator: You need the common build tools, which are easily installed with "apt-get install build-essential". The next thing is a good text editor such as Emacs/Vim or a good IDE. (eclipse, codeblocks, ...) |
| 02:56.17 | textantator | babilen: thats good, most compiler are included i think in build essential? |
| 02:56.27 | Tony | babilen I have recently tested NGINX on Ubuntu 11.10 and was fascinated how fast it was with my Drupal 6 web site. Of course, I would never install Ubuntu 11.10 on a production server |
| 02:56.34 | babilen | Tony: Sounds as if you are doing the right thing. I just wanted to make it clear that I have no personal experience with that setup and can not give you any guarantees. |
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| 02:57.17 | babilen | Tony: nginx from backports is definitely fine and officially supported. My remarks are about php5-fpm |
| 02:57.39 | Tony | babilen I appreciate all your help. I am getting ready to launch a pretty resource intensive Drupal 6 website with social networking support, shopping cart and a forum, and if I could get it to run on NGINX instead of Apache it would be a major performance boost. |
| 02:58.04 | Tony | babilen unfortunately I need php5-fpm otherwise I can' |
| 02:58.12 | Tony | can't use PHP with NGINX |
| 02:58.13 | textantator | babilen: yeah vim works nice for me, need to test emacs now |
| 02:59.04 | Tony | babilen NGINX doesn't have the option to run PHP as a module, and even if it did, I wouldn't. I like to run PHP as FastCGI |
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| 03:00.24 | Tony | babilen Drupal 6 has many modules, and some of them are poorly written. If a module takes down PHP, in FastCGI it's just an instance, but as an Apache module it could take down Apache as well |
| 03:00.49 | babilen | textantator: Well, you need only a single compiler (i.e. gcc) for C development. But yes, you find all tools that are typically needed for C development in build-essential. You will probably miss the manpages though .. They are packaged in non-free in the manpages-posix-dev and in main in manpages-dev |
| 03:01.00 | CissWit | i use nginx+php without fpm on my debian squeeze |
| 03:01.32 | CissWit | don't know about performances as the server has not a huge charge |
| 03:01.33 | textantator | babilen: thanks mate, but no need for tha man pages.. just need to learn programming ; ) |
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| 03:01.54 | babilen | textantator: Not sure if you are joking ... |
| 03:02.22 | textantator | babilen: im on drugs maybe because of that? : ) |
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| 03:02.41 | babilen | textantator: Be that as it may: Have fun! |
| 03:02.54 | textantator | babilen: just needed to know a program to start programming, because im new to everything ya know? |
| 03:03.02 | babilen | sure |
| 03:03.34 | kristian-aalborg | should I reinstall Debian after updating BIOS? |
| 03:04.37 | babilen | kristian-aalborg: I wouldn't deem that to be necessary |
| 03:05.05 | CissWit | kristian-aalborg: nothing to loose in trying ;) but there's no reason you would need to |
| 03:05.30 | kristian-aalborg | babilen, I just read in some old mailing list that you should reinstall your OS after a BIOS update |
| 03:05.54 | kristian-aalborg | I still struggle to get power management going on this old warhorse :/ |
| 03:06.19 | babilen | kristian-aalborg: I have no idea why that should be the case. |
| 03:06.38 | textantator | babilen: yeah my first program, not "Hello World!"... just "Im Debian" : D |
| 03:06.47 | CissWit | kristian-aalborg: i upgraded 3 or 4 times my bios on a dell xps without reinstalling |
| 03:06.57 | kristian-aalborg | hmm |
| 03:07.19 | CissWit | upgrading the bios shouldn't change anything in the way debian works, as it only boot grub that boot debian |
| 03:07.23 | CissWit | or lilo |
| 03:07.52 | CissWit | and it's unlikely it breaks anything |
| 03:07.56 | babilen | textantator: Great! If you want to pursue chatting I would recommend an offtopic channel such as #debian-offtopic or #defocus though. Taking a look at ##c (and their /topic !) is also recommended. |
| 03:08.11 | textantator | but im getting error when i trying to compile it in emacs, is it normal? |
| 03:08.13 | CissWit | if you're unsure, just backup your debian, upgrade you bios, and try. If it crashes, reinstall it. |
| 03:08.18 | kristian-aalborg | http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=100445&start=0 |
| 03:08.21 | babilen | kristian-aalborg: Ok, to make it clear: you don't need to reinstall. That would be ridiculous |
| 03:08.23 | kristian-aalborg | these are my woes |
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| 03:12.46 | textantator | babilen: yeah i know its not debian stuff.. but now a question, i cant remove software from software-center.. when i click on remove nothing happens.. |
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| 05:03.43 | SharkMonkey | I just installed transmission-daemon on a debian derived distro, and this daemon started to run as soon as it finished installing. |
| 05:03.46 | SharkMonkey | Would this be how it worked on Debian too? |
| 05:05.06 | somiaj | SharkMonkey: it depends on the postinst script, but many postinst scripts will pull up the program after installing it. It can be dependent on the actual daemon/matainer |
| 05:05.07 | arghx | SharkMonkey: yes |
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| 05:07.49 | SharkMonkey | Is there some mechanism I could use to have any new service to be off by default? |
| 05:08.37 | arghx | we do not support "based on debian" |
| 05:08.46 | SharkMonkey | arghx, I'm asking about debian |
| 05:10.02 | jbrks | SharkMonkey, you're fake debian user |
| 05:10.18 | somiaj | SharkMonkey: which you'll most likely try to apply to your distro. (: only way I can think of is modify the postinst script yourself. You can unpack and configure as two seperate steps with dpkg. |
| 05:10.22 | SharkMonkey | I intend to install debian based on wether or not this is possible |
| 05:10.38 | jbrks | SharkMonkey, i'm on a boat.. anything is possible |
| 05:11.06 | jbrks | advices SharkMonkey to check out the boat song and then install debian |
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| 05:11.27 | SharkMonkey | Well wether it's simple. I don't intend to modify every potential postinst script. |
| 05:12.07 | SharkMonkey | I'm downloading an install cd as we speak. |
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| 05:12.11 | SharkMonkey | Actually it's finished |
| 05:13.26 | jbrks | SharkMonkey, as you were saying "anything is possible" -> http://www.youtube.com/user/TheLonelyIslandVEVO?blend=10&ob=5#p/u/0/avaSdC0QOUM and then install debian |
| 05:13.28 | jbrks | lol |
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| 05:28.20 | SharkMonkey | Fedora seems to behave the way I'd prefer in this respect by default. I think I'll go with that for now. |
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| 05:29.24 | jbrks | SharkMonkey, as i was saying "anything is possible". I'm on a f boat. |
| 05:30.10 | SharkMonkey | I'm looking for probable and simple for now. Until I get a boat maybe. :) |
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| 05:47.08 | walle | hello, any body? |
| 05:47.39 | Xenguy | Q? |
| 05:47.54 | walle | Xenguy: no! only show a message |
| 05:48.18 | Xenguy | si si senor |
| 05:48.30 | Xenguy | no hablos telephonos |
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| 05:49.59 | OldParr | ñ |
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| 05:51.25 | walle | which package include courier-10-pitch fonts> |
| 05:51.31 | walle | I want to install that font |
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| 05:51.57 | walle | Xenguy: do you know? |
| 05:52.10 | Xenguy | walle: there used to be a package... |
| 05:52.24 | Xenguy | Something like ms core fonts ? |
| 05:52.53 | walle | Xenguy: no ! mscore fonts package not contain that font |
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| 05:53.05 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 05:53.19 | walle | Xenguy: it contain 'courier new' not 'courier 10 pitch' |
| 05:53.28 | Xenguy | I see |
| 05:53.33 | Xenguy | Not sure about that then |
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| 05:54.01 | walle | Xenguy: how can i do? |
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| 05:54.25 | SirDerigo | good Morning friends! |
| 05:54.45 | walle | SirDerigo: :) |
| 05:54.53 | SirDerigo | how are you walle ? |
| 05:54.55 | Xenguy | walle: I'm not sure |
| 05:55.00 | SirDerigo | working late? |
| 05:55.04 | walle | SirDerigo: fine |
| 05:55.15 | walle | Xenguy: :-( |
| 05:55.22 | SirDerigo | looks thenick of Xenguy and thinks "he may help me with Xen" |
| 05:55.33 | walle | SirDerigo: No, I just weekup |
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| 05:55.53 | Xenguy | SirDerigo: heh, believe it or not, I was prior to Xen :-) |
| 05:56.41 | SirDerigo | im working in a little cloud datacenter and i want to know wich will be your choices of software for three servers: one Frontend / Storage and two Hypervisor nodes |
| 05:56.43 | karlpinc | walle: The ttf-freefont package is bit-for-bit compatible, visually. |
| 05:57.07 | SirDerigo | been checking out Open Nebula but, is not in the debian main repo |
| 05:57.30 | mcnz | whats a good blog package available on debian? i have apache installed |
| 05:57.48 | SirDerigo | mcnz: check out drupal or wordpress |
| 05:57.57 | SirDerigo | you will require mysql 5.0 and php 5 |
| 05:58.07 | mcnz | SirDerigo: thanks |
| 05:58.22 | karlpinc | much prefers postgresql to mysql. |
| 05:58.58 | walle | karlpinc: I have insall ttf-freefont, but no courier-10-pitch font. what is you mean? |
| 05:59.57 | karlpinc | walle: It's no longer called courier, even though it looks the same. |
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| 06:01.10 | walle | karlpinc: ...but, which name it call should? |
| 06:01.18 | walle | karlpinc: last week, I install debian, it have courier-10-pitch font |
| 06:01.19 | karlpinc | walle: If you must have the name be "courier" I think you need to enable non-free and install something, one of those packages that goes and downloads the non-free stuff from the net. And it's not clear if you're really licensed to use the downloaded fonts, even though they're there to be downloaded. Consult your lawyer. :-) |
| 06:01.45 | karlpinc | walle: FreeFont Mono is the name. |
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| 06:03.24 | SirDerigo | what about open nebula on debian? |
| 06:03.42 | walle | karlpinc: Yes, I have install all free & non-free font packages may contain courier-10-pitch font, but there is no. Mono is a good font, but I't too thin for me :( |
| 06:04.35 | walle | karlpinc: courier family fonts realy very beautiful for code browse |
| 06:05.56 | mcnz | OK, so apt-get has installed wordpress, with php and mysql automagically. Will mysql already be running? I can't see it in ps -aux |
| 06:05.57 | streuner__ | !msttcorefonts |
| 06:05.58 | dpkg | ttf-mscorefonts-installer (previously msttcorefonts) is a <contrib> package which installs the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "TrueType core fonts for the Web" (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). An Internet connection is required for downloading these fonts if not locally available. See also <liberation>. |
| 06:06.30 | streuner__ | walle: http://packages.debian.org/sid/ttf-mscorefonts-installer - maybe that makes you happier |
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| 06:06.54 | karlpinc | !tell mcnz about readme.debian |
| 06:06.54 | walle | streuner__: I know this. |
| 06:07.07 | streuner__ | hm, iam out of ideas then :-) |
| 06:07.13 | karlpinc | Me too. |
| 06:07.22 | walle | streuner__: but I get courier-new font. I want is courier-10-pitch |
| 06:07.30 | karlpinc | (I've got something that _looks_ like courier whenever I ask for a monospaced font.) |
| 06:08.46 | walle | streuner__: every time when I after installing debian, that font is there. but this time, I font find it... very suprise... :( |
| 06:09.05 | karlpinc | walle: What version of debian? |
| 06:09.15 | walle | karlpinc: ad |
| 06:09.15 | walle | karlpinc: sad |
| 06:09.16 | walle | karlpinc: testing |
| 06:09.30 | karlpinc | walle: That might explain it. |
| 06:09.36 | walle | karlpinc: It's work fine before, but this time... |
| 06:10.03 | walle | karlpinc: but I use testing before, it contain that font |
| 06:10.10 | karlpinc | walle: You can get support for testing on #debian-next on irc.debian.org. They might know |
| 06:10.27 | walle | karlpinc: thanks :-) |
| 06:10.31 | karlpinc | !moving target |
| 06:10.31 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 06:10.56 | walle | karlpinc: I give up, use other font to instead it... |
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| 06:20.47 | walle | anyone know why my number-keyboard-part cannot use after booting? I need to press Num Lock key every time... |
| 06:21.02 | walle | I use wireless keyboard and mouse |
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| 06:27.09 | nevyn | !snss |
| 06:27.14 | nevyn | !sns |
| 06:27.16 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 06:27.31 | plomb | How can I find out which device my usb hard drive has? |
| 06:28.41 | walle | df -h |
| 06:29.02 | walle | ls -l /dev/sdb* |
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| 06:30.05 | plomb | ls -l /dev/sdb* |
| 06:30.05 | plomb | ls: cannot access /dev/sdb*: No such file or directory |
| 06:30.14 | pumafyre | hey I'm running KDE in LMDE and have no buttons in Synaptic. Any guesses? |
| 06:30.29 | walle | plomb: use df -h |
| 06:30.41 | plomb | walle, How will that help? |
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| 06:31.01 | walle | plomb: want do you want? |
| 06:31.18 | plomb | I want to know the device name of the usb drive |
| 06:31.32 | plomb | (so that I can mount it) |
| 06:31.52 | walle | plomb: use df -h to see which usb is yours |
| 06:32.02 | walle | plomb: (see it's size) |
| 06:32.10 | plomb | df only lists mounted devices |
| 06:32.25 | walle | plomb: then mount the sdb* which you want |
| 06:32.54 | plomb | But that's the whole point. I don't know which it is. |
| 06:32.59 | pumafyre | I'm running KDE in Debian Mint and just noticed that I Can't see the buttons in Synaptic |
| 06:33.08 | pumafyre | anyone ever see this before? |
| 06:33.15 | walle | plomb: I don't know, I only do this work fine |
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| 06:33.19 | plomb | In fact, it may not even be a sdb* - it could be anything. |
| 06:33.39 | walle | plomb: I only judge from sdb size |
| 06:34.17 | walle | plomb: please ask others.(ps, usb should auto mount when it plugin) |
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| 06:49.43 | arghx | plomb: run dmesg after you plugged in your usb drive, it will show |
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| 06:50.57 | plomb | arghx, I tried that. It doesn't show anything useful. |
| 06:51.09 | arghx | what does it show? |
| 06:51.41 | plomb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.54 | plomb | and a few extra things. |
| 06:52.04 | arghx | you plugged in a 160GB harddisk? |
| 06:52.09 | plomb | Yes. |
| 06:52.21 | arghx | what "extra things"? |
| 06:52.32 | arghx | it's strange that it's sda btw |
| 06:52.33 | plomb | You want me to paste them here? |
| 06:52.37 | arghx | !paste |
| 06:52.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 06:52.48 | jbrks | plomb, how many drives are in the system? |
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| 06:53.10 | jbrks | plomb, you sure your usb is /dev/sda ?.. |
| 06:53.30 | plomb | http://pastie.org/2855564 |
| 06:53.37 | plomb | jbrks, No. I' |
| 06:53.44 | jpablobr | Hi I'm trying to install Debian from a usb following this tutorial: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 But even with a 16gb flash drive I get a "No left space on device" when I try to copy the ISO (I'm trying with the dvd 4gb ISO) |
| 06:53.48 | Derpadong | Hm. Is linux kernel 3.0 in testing? |
| 06:53.51 | plomb | m not sure. That's what I'm trying to find out. |
| 06:54.09 | jbrks | plomb, can you type "mount" <enter> ? |
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| 06:54.34 | lemar9 | plomb: it seems your partition table is unknown |
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| 06:55.27 | lemar9 | so, your kernel doesn't know the table or it's corrupted |
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| 06:55.52 | plomb | jbrks, Mount will only show mounted filesystems. I don't even know if this disk HAS a filesystem. |
| 06:56.11 | jbrks | plomb, ya.. and what is mounted? |
| 06:56.13 | lemar9 | plomb: have you used this disk before? does it have data on it? |
| 06:56.17 | walle | Derpadong: yes |
| 06:56.18 | plomb | Right now, I just want to find out which device I need to mount / create a filesystem on. |
| 06:56.22 | walle | Derpadong: 3.01 |
| 06:56.27 | plomb | lemar9, No. It's brand new. |
| 06:56.55 | Derpadong | Okay |
| 06:56.56 | lemar9 | plomb: then you need to make partitions.. use fdisk /dev/sda |
| 06:56.57 | Derpadong | Thanks |
| 06:57.08 | Derpadong | Im going to do a netinstall of Debian testing |
| 06:57.19 | Derpadong | Since Debian is my favorite thing to use |
| 06:57.25 | walle | Derpadong: if you want 2.6.* kernel, you can select it when installing |
| 06:57.33 | plomb | jbrks, http://pastie.org/2855573 (I don't see how this is relevant) |
| 06:57.50 | walle | Derpadong: I use net install iso, then use usb to install |
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| 06:58.25 | Derpadong | walle, I want 3.xx series for a reason |
| 06:59.17 | walle | Derpadong: for waht |
| 06:59.19 | walle | Derpadong: for what |
| 06:59.25 | jbrks | plomb, can u do a, file -s /dev/hda1 ? and then a file -s /dev/sda1 ? tell me if the UUID= is the same |
| 06:59.30 | arghx | plomb: fdisk -l as root tells you which one it is, it is still sda, so cfdisk /dev/sda will allow you to create a partition there |
| 06:59.31 | walle | Derpadong: yes, please try |
| 06:59.43 | arghx | Derpadong: what reason exactly? |
| 06:59.54 | plomb | jbrks, /dev/sda1 does not exist. |
| 07:00.06 | jbrks | plomb, then you're safe.. |
| 07:00.09 | arghx | jbrks: if sda1 existed, the kernel would have shown it |
| 07:00.22 | jbrks | better safe than sorry.. |
| 07:00.26 | jbrks | that's for sure lol |
| 07:00.32 | plomb | arghx, Thanks. |
| 07:00.37 | Derpadong | 3.01 works better on my system |
| 07:00.49 | jbrks | i've seen strange things over the years.. |
| 07:00.52 | jbrks | nways.. |
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| 07:05.04 | jbrks | plomb, btw um.. why are you using ext2 ? |
| 07:05.27 | jbrks | i dont think i have seen anyone use ext2 here in like years |
| 07:05.36 | plomb | jbrks, Historical reasons I guess. |
| 07:06.05 | jbrks | you are using a 2.6 kernel.. |
| 07:06.11 | jbrks | still doesnt add up.. |
| 07:06.21 | plomb | Reiserfs is complicated, and ext3 doesn't really provide much more over ext2 |
| 07:06.35 | jbrks | uh.. resierfs.. you say? |
| 07:06.51 | plomb | Or however you spell it. |
| 07:06.52 | jbrks | doesnt look like you use reiserfs anywhere |
| 07:07.03 | plomb | no. I don't |
| 07:07.16 | jbrks | so why ext2? |
| 07:07.27 | plomb | What would you suggest? |
| 07:07.34 | lemar9 | ext3 adds journaling over ext2! |
| 07:07.35 | jbrks | ext3 or ext4.. |
| 07:08.03 | jbrks | you've also been asking on ubuntu for making even a filesystem on a partition.. and you try to talk like you know linux.. |
| 07:08.06 | jbrks | we're here to help.. |
| 07:08.30 | plomb | lemar9, True, but it still can't recover from a crash, and still insists on fscking every 40 or so mounts |
| 07:08.56 | jbrks | plomb, so boot up a gparted live cd.. you can do a checkdisk with it.. |
| 07:09.09 | lemar9 | plomb: you can adjust the forced fsck mounting settings |
| 07:10.11 | plomb | So what are, from the users' point of view, the advantages of ext3/4 over ext2 ? |
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| 07:10.43 | jbrks | dude ext3 has been out for years.. there's no reason to suspect it's not stable |
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| 07:11.45 | plomb | jbrks, I don't necessarily suspect that. It's just that I haven't seen a compelling reason to convert my filesystem to something else. |
| 07:12.05 | plomb | (if it works, don't fix it!) |
| 07:12.07 | jbrks | plomb, there's not much work to do ext3.. you simply use the tunefs command once.. |
| 07:12.19 | lemar9 | ext3: Its main advantage over ext2 is journaling which improves reliability and eliminates the need to check the file system after an unclean shutdown. |
| 07:12.19 | jbrks | plomb, it does it in 2 seconds.. |
| 07:12.52 | jbrks | and i doubt you been into the unix/linux stuff this long.. |
| 07:13.05 | arghx | plomb: for an external drive, ext3 is a must |
| 07:13.29 | plomb | lemar9, It's odd that my laptop (which has ext3) still checks after an unclean shutdown. |
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| 07:13.59 | lemar9 | plomb: then you need to check your settings as jbrks just mentioned..... |
| 07:14.13 | plomb | jbrks, Probably longer than you've been alive, but I don't spend my whole time playing with things which already work. |
| 07:14.33 | plomb | lemar9, I'll have a look at it, thanks. |
| 07:14.37 | jbrks | well it doesnt shutdown cleanly.. not much i can say about that |
| 07:14.50 | jbrks | he sounds like that guy sid |
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| 07:15.46 | jbrks | thinks he's one of those unix longtime showoffs.. but definitely so new to linux |
| 07:17.24 | jbrks | he's not even using debian.. he's asking other channels this very basic question about making a filesystem in linux. |
| 07:17.53 | lemar9 | perhaps he's mainly a mouse user? |
| 07:18.04 | jbrks | he is a mouse user.. he has .gvfs in his mountpoint.. |
| 07:18.51 | lemar9 | yuppers... |
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| 07:38.22 | castermn | hi, any idea why konqueror is started when I click a link in quassel? alothough I did set iceweasel as default in update-aliasses |
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| 07:39.10 | castermn | update-alternatives I mean of course |
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| 07:40.01 | arghx | castermn: probably a kde or quassel setting |
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| 07:40.30 | castermn | oh, thanks I'll look further. |
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| 07:44.22 | castermn | hi arghx, I selected iceweasel in de KDE system settings, now it is ok |
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| 08:28.05 | joeoshawa | i have alsa installed but the package needed to play more then one sound at a time is not available anymore what can i do |
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| 08:39.36 | somiaj | joeoshawa: dmix is enabled by default in alsa (if your sound card supports it, most do) |
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| 08:55.52 | igel | Hi … this is obscure. Once per hour, our confixx-hosted machine kicks me out of ssh. And then doesn't let me log back in, with these obscure messages: http://pastebin.com/sXv7NDFJ |
| 08:57.29 | valdyn | igel: its not the remote host that does not let you in but your *local* ssh that warns you from logging into a host that changed its key |
| 08:57.58 | igel | valdyn: Scroll down the log a bit. I turn off the warning, and still can't get in. |
| 08:58.43 | igel | valdyn: It then says: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
| 08:59.03 | valdyn | igel: ok |
| 08:59.26 | igel | This happens once per hour, like clockwork. |
| 08:59.50 | igel | And I found this in /var/log/daemon.log: http://pastebin.com/7tNzihRa |
| 08:59.58 | valdyn | igel: so the changed id is not really what you want to fix? |
| 09:00.30 | igel | valdyn: The server also stops responding on port 80. Frankly, I wonder if it's still the machine. |
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| 09:00.35 | igel | *the same machine. |
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| 09:01.21 | igel | My best theory right now is that once per hour, another machine assumes our IP. If I force a reboot from the hosting panel, things are fine again, for an hour. |
| 09:02.13 | valdyn | igel: the daemon.log contents just show runlevel changes, that could be you rebooting |
| 09:02.56 | igel | valdyn: ahh, you're right. Got confused about the time stamps. That must have been me, yes. |
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| 09:03.38 | valdyn | igel: how is that changed id behaving? does it go back to old id after you reboot? |
| 09:04.24 | igel | valdyn: Good question. I think I always delete the id from known_hosts, so I can't check that right now. |
| 09:04.33 | valdyn | igel: if you have a different computer assuming your ip at times and then the right one assuming that ip again you should see the wrong id warning at times and no warning at times |
| 09:05.28 | igel | valdyn: Yup. I'll save the right ID now, so I can verify this … in an hour. |
| 09:05.30 | igel | :) |
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| 09:05.50 | valdyn | igel: im not sure if the pty allocation request error is local or remote |
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| 09:06.45 | igel | valdyn: I don't know how to check that :( |
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| 09:07.34 | valdyn | igel: use a different computer to log in |
| 09:07.46 | valdyn | igel: thats a really simple way to check.. |
| 09:07.47 | igel | valdyn: ok, will do. |
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| 09:09.12 | igel | valdyn: in an hour. |
| 09:09.33 | valdyn | igel: appearantly your on mac os x using ssh? I can't say if macs even use pty or whatever |
| 09:09.42 | xingu | valdyn, igel: ref the pty allocation error, seems this might be related to "no more processes left at this runlevel" to me; from memory this is what happens when the runlevel 6 entry is hosed; either busted inittab or a getty/mgetty line pointing at a tty that doesn't exist in reality |
| 09:11.10 | xingu | I'm not sure how bezerk linux init goes these days after it's done printing that message; it might decide to eat up all the free process slots for a bit. :) |
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| 09:12.30 | valdyn | xingu: ok, i'd think ssh runs without inittab, so I dont entirely understand |
| 09:13.03 | xingu | valdyn: I'm wondering if inittab exhausts the available process slots (eats all available PID's) for a bit. |
| 09:13.07 | xingu | s/inittab/init/ |
| 09:13.25 | xingu | valdyn: ie same effect as a forkbomb |
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| 09:13.50 | valdyn | igel: so what did you do to create that forkbomb? |
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| 09:14.37 | igel | valdyn: Ehhh, I'm wondering myself. First off, how can i verify that I'm indeed running out of pids? |
| 09:15.13 | valdyn | igel: appearantly it takes an hour or so to do that, so maybe you can watch the number of pids grow in top |
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| 09:16.19 | igel | valdyn: top, without any arguments, lists 1370 as the highest pid. |
| 09:16.28 | plomb | Can anyone tell me how to boot from an external USB disk? |
| 09:16.42 | igel | Here's inittab: http://pastebin.com/9xPZWP1R |
| 09:16.43 | ompaul | igel: dead pids get used again out of the 65k |
| 09:16.54 | valdyn | igel: higheset pid doesnt matter, watch the number of Tasks |
| 09:17.28 | igel | valdyn: 19 total. |
| 09:17.52 | valdyn | igel: thats very low, so its not a problem |
| 09:18.29 | micols | how do I give 'foo' user access to echo > /etc/resolv.conf via sudoers? |
| 09:18.29 | ompaul | igel: you'll not run out of pids any time soon, and most likely you won't be getting to 65k any time soon, and if anything gets used and released it gets used later |
| 09:18.48 | ompaul | micols: use visudo |
| 09:18.51 | micols | foo ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/echo * |
| 09:18.52 | micols | doesnt work |
| 09:18.56 | valdyn | micols: you dont |
| 09:19.13 | igel | xingu: You mentioned inittab and init. I found inittab, but where's init? |
| 09:19.23 | micols | valdyn: it is for my workstation so I want to do it |
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| 09:19.31 | xingu | igel: inittab is the configuration file for the init process |
| 09:19.43 | micols | and other users use it too, it is for work, want to use my own dns servers and have sudo access for most things |
| 09:19.45 | ompaul | plomb: your machine will do that if you can tell the box to to boot from usb in the bios |
| 09:19.47 | valdyn | micols: echo is not a program but a bash built-in |
| 09:19.54 | micols | valdyn: /bin/echo exists |
| 09:20.00 | valdyn | micols: but is not used in bash |
| 09:20.08 | micols | ah makes sense |
| 09:20.10 | micols | so > wont work :( |
| 09:20.21 | arghx | igel: /sbin/init |
| 09:20.27 | plomb | ompaul, Well I thought I told it, but it seems not to work. |
| 09:20.32 | micols | just give root access to bash then |
| 09:20.54 | ompaul | plomb: it works if the bios knows how to F12 might help in the boot sequence |
| 09:21.06 | valdyn | micols: this is the wrong solution to whatever problem you might have |
| 09:21.25 | ompaul | micols: I gave you the solution |
| 09:21.47 | micols | ompaul: ? |
| 09:21.52 | ompaul | micols: use visudo |
| 09:22.04 | micols | what does that help? |
| 09:22.05 | arghx | micols: is your dhcp setting the resolver to something you don't want? |
| 09:22.07 | ompaul | micols: that is **the** way to do what you want to do |
| 09:22.13 | micols | arghx: yes |
| 09:22.29 | arghx | micols: then your fudging with sudo is a stupid thing to do |
| 09:22.31 | micols | but it is to something my coworkers want, so I dont want to change networking manager.. |
| 09:22.32 | plomb | ompaul, My boot sequence is "USB FDC", "USB HDD", "USB CDROM" but it doesn't want to boot from any usb device. |
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| 09:22.44 | arghx | fix your dhclient.conf, make resolv.conf +i, etc but leave sudo alone |
| 09:23.01 | micols | resolv.conf is updated on boot |
| 09:23.04 | micols | so +i is not an option |
| 09:23.08 | micols | dhclient.conf isn't either |
| 09:23.16 | arghx | why isn't it? |
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| 09:23.30 | micols | because other people want to use the dns servers and I dont |
| 09:23.36 | ompaul | plomb: possible fail of your media - if you have a usb stick and you can do cat debian...iso > /dev/sdWHATEVER it will boot these days |
| 09:23.38 | valdyn | micols: did you tell us what your actual problem is you are trying to solve? |
| 09:23.55 | micols | multiple user system, one user wants to use own dns servers |
| 09:23.59 | ompaul | valdyn: he started off with /etc/sudoers |
| 09:24.06 | micols | the rest want to use dhcp settings |
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| 09:24.23 | valdyn | micols: ok, the right solution is to tell him to fuck off ;) |
| 09:25.01 | valdyn | micols: cant have multiple global dns settings on a multi-user system, thats an idea that doesnt make sense |
| 09:25.15 | micols | actually it isn't own dns servers, but it is own hosts file, google dns instead of default windows dns crap |
| 09:25.16 | plomb | Odd think is, I can mount the partitions on that disk. |
| 09:25.30 | valdyn | micols: you know its a multi-user system and that coworker logging off doesnt mean he has no programs running |
| 09:25.39 | micols | valdyn: I always shut down the system when Im done |
| 09:25.47 | micols | so it will work for me, but not others if they just 'log off' |
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| 09:26.03 | micols | but I agree it is not elegant, but better than using that default dns |
| 09:26.23 | valdyn | micols: there should be a dns server that works ok for everyone |
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| 09:27.28 | micols | just using sudoers /bin/bash NOPASSWD access ;) |
| 09:27.32 | micols | then I can echo |
| 09:27.48 | ompaul | micols: what does uname -a say |
| 09:27.48 | valdyn | micols: you can also pin the root password to the screen |
| 09:28.19 | micols | ompaul: why is that relevant? |
| 09:28.24 | ompaul | why is it not |
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| 09:47.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | screams in furstration |
| 09:47.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | pounds head on desk several times |
| 09:48.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | anybody familar with nagios and nrpe plugin ? |
| 09:48.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | its complainging about a library thats installed!!!! |
| 09:48.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | grrrrr |
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| 09:48.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | ./check_nrpe: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 09:50.21 | Woet | Eryn_1983_FL: and that exact file exists? libssl.so.0.9.8 |
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| 09:54.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes |
| 09:54.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 |
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| 09:54.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | now grant it my other system is 32bit, |
| 09:55.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | and this one is 64bit |
| 09:55.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | but i installed it all via aptitude |
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| 09:56.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | root@services:~# ls -la /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 |
| 09:56.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 348976 Nov 6 16:40 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 |
| 09:56.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | root@services:~# /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_nrpe |
| 09:56.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_nrpe: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:56.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | root@services:~# |
| 09:58.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | ohh that SOB SOB SOB |
| 09:58.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just reinstalled everything and it worked.. FJSD#@#J%@#@#K%@#t098 q3u 098qu tcznbD" |
| 09:59.44 | ompaul | http://www.utahsysadmin.com/2008/03/14/configuring-nagios-plugins-nrpe-on-solaris-10/ |
| 09:59.53 | ompaul | just at the same time what can I say |
| 10:00.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | it says to install it all at the sametime? |
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| 10:01.55 | ompaul | see his setting to find libs |
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| 10:05.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
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| 10:05.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | don't matter i got er workin now |
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| 10:12.08 | mirrakor_ | Can someone give me a hint regarding packaging? (is there a separate channel for that?) |
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| 10:18.01 | streuner__ | !mentors |
| 10:18.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 10:33.07 | jaggz | how do I stop /etc/crontab entries from showing in /var/log/syslog? I thought redirecting their output &>/dev/null used to stop it |
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| 10:34.28 | Duditz | hi all ... i have an old notebook with only 256MB of ram, it's possible install debian? |
| 10:34.49 | Duditz | the installer run in 256MB of ram? |
| 10:35.04 | LSymonds | Duditz: Probably, although you'd have a better experience with Puppy Linux, lubuntu or XUbuntu. |
| 10:35.37 | Duditz | currently i have MicroCore, but, i have problems with libtorrent |
| 10:35.56 | Duditz | and I like debian :) |
| 10:35.58 | Milos | Am I able to check what starts on boot using update-rc.d? |
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| 10:36.33 | Duditz | what's is the minimum requiriments for debian installer? |
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| 10:37.03 | ompaul | a computer |
| 10:37.13 | Duditz | I dont need graphical environment, only text mode |
| 10:37.15 | ompaul | Duditz: what do you want to actually do |
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| 10:37.38 | Duditz | install debian in an old laptop with 256MB of ram |
| 10:38.24 | ompaul | Duditz: that will work, what do you want that laptop to do |
| 10:38.54 | Duditz | an bittorrent with rtorrent +libtorrent with a web interface to administrate downloads |
| 10:39.35 | Duditz | (sorry my poor english) |
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| 10:40.26 | ompaul | it will work |
| 10:41.02 | Duditz | great! |
| 10:41.27 | Duditz | thanks ... |
| 10:41.51 | Duditz | I am new in debian (old fedora user) the version Alternate of installer is the best for this installation? |
| 10:41.52 | tjoy | some web interfaces will consume a lot of RAM |
| 10:42.00 | tjoy | careful choosing them |
| 10:42.07 | Duditz | rtorrent is a very light interface |
| 10:42.15 | Duditz | ok, thanks |
| 10:42.16 | tjoy | but the web frontend might not be |
| 10:42.25 | tjoy | for instance torrentflux is a hog |
| 10:42.26 | Duditz | ok |
| 10:42.44 | Duditz | great, i am searching for this |
| 10:42.46 | tjoy | personally i'd just admin rtorrent through ssh, and leave it in a screen session |
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| 10:43.42 | Duditz | great, this is an alternative for me too |
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| 10:45.08 | Duditz | thanks tjoy! |
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| 10:50.43 | ozst | Hi |
| 10:50.44 | olqiax | hello guys, sometimes my iceweasel wont close so i need to kill the process, how do i get to know where the problem is? |
| 10:50.59 | olqiax | its happening when much tabs are open |
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| 11:08.59 | ozst | does anybody know if there's a e-book reader for linux to read .acsm files? |
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| 11:10.34 | brandFU | have you tried calibre? you can also convert to other formats |
| 11:10.40 | petemc | acsm isnt an ebook format |
| 11:10.57 | petemc | it allows you to authorise with an adobe app then download the actual book, aiui |
| 11:11.44 | petemc | thats what happens with the legal ebooks we purchase, anyway. have to use adobe digital editions and allow connections out on non standard ports to adobe servers |
| 11:11.45 | brandFU | didn't know that thanks |
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| 11:21.13 | Shadowcat | uhh |
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| 11:21.22 | Shadowcat | needs gnome3 libs for firefox 8 |
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| 11:21.39 | Shadowcat | but obviously installing that throws half the system into disarray |
| 11:21.41 | Shadowcat | any ideas? |
| 11:23.07 | arghx | Shadowcat: why can't you use iceweasel 8? |
| 11:23.28 | Shadowcat | arghx: I am trying to, should have specified that I was using the package manager |
| 11:23.37 | Shadowcat | but either way, it gives me one hell of a fit everytime I try and install it |
| 11:23.43 | Shadowcat | it wants to throw out all of gnome2 |
| 11:23.55 | arghx | what debian branch are you running? |
| 11:24.06 | Shadowcat | mixed |
| 11:24.14 | arghx | you are on your own. have a nice day |
| 11:24.17 | Shadowcat | mostly stable, with a kernel from testing to support my sensors |
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| 11:24.31 | Shadowcat | lm-sensors and the kernel have been upgraded |
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| 11:24.33 | Shadowcat | the rest is stable |
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| 11:24.45 | Shadowcat | so I don't see why it should affect things |
| 11:24.52 | arghx | you cannot install firefox "using the package manager" |
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| 11:25.20 | arghx | and I ask you again (if the kernel is the only thing from another branch): why can't you use iceweasel 8? |
| 11:25.31 | Shadowcat | I have no idea |
| 11:26.05 | Shadowcat | I pinned the apt system to debian 6 |
| 11:26.22 | Shadowcat | when I select iceweasel 8 in aptitude, it gives me one hell of a fit about throwing out tons of packages |
| 11:26.35 | Shadowcat | as far as I can see, it wants to upgrade a package that throws half the system into disarray |
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| 11:26.52 | arghx | ah, so you mix shit all over. good to know that you don't just mix the kernel but everything. please reinstall stable and then learn to use debian properly |
| 11:27.10 | Shadowcat | when I select iceweasel 8 in aptitude, it gives me one hell of a fit about throwing out tons of packages |
| 11:27.22 | Shadowcat | arghx: I'm apt-pinning so that it DOESN'T upgrade |
| 11:27.39 | Shadowcat | it's pinned to stable, apart from lm-sensors and linux-image-3.0.0.2 |
| 11:27.46 | Shadowcat | that's how it's supposed to be |
| 11:28.03 | arghx | from which repo do you want to install iceweasel 8 again? |
| 11:28.11 | Shadowcat | if I try and install iceweasel 8, it tells me I have several conflicts |
| 11:28.12 | arghx | hint: it's not debian stable main |
| 11:28.31 | Shadowcat | no, I'm guessing 7.x is in testing and 8.x is in unstable |
| 11:28.47 | GNU\colossus | Shadowcat, http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 11:29.04 | arghx | yes, meaning you mix stuff, have broken your oh so superior pinning and generally made a mess out of your debian installation. reinstall stable |
| 11:29.28 | arghx | and this time, do NOT pin, do NOT put ANY testing or sid repos into your sources.list |
| 11:29.32 | Shadowcat | hasn't broken anything |
| 11:30.12 | Shadowcat | arghx: I can't run a completely stable distro because I can't even detect CPU sensor readings with that ancient kernel |
| 11:30.24 | Shadowcat | now if you don't want to help me, that's fine, but stop being an ass about it |
| 11:30.28 | arghx | !tell Shadowcat about backports |
| 11:30.56 | babilen | arghx: That won't give Shadowcat a 3.0 kernel though |
| 11:31.10 | ew0x | Shadowcat: He's not being an ass, I must second him here: your pinning must be broken, what you describe is typical of stable->(testing|unstable) upgrading issues still |
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| 11:31.53 | Shadowcat | ew0x: it's a config in the apt.conf like pinning it to squeeze |
| 11:31.54 | arghx | babilen: he can backport the kernel easily himself if he really really needs a 3.0 for lm-sensors |
| 11:32.04 | babilen | Shadowcat: You can install the .39 kernel from backports and it shouldn't be a big problem to backport lm-sensors yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:32.14 | arghx | babilen: but his pinning certainly can't work right when he is able to try installing firefox 8 |
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| 11:32.32 | babilen | arghx: Yes, Shadowcat should certainly install iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:32.53 | babilen | But that has already been mentioned :) |
| 11:32.53 | arghx | babilen: sure he can, but I very much doubt this iceweasel will then drag in gnome3, will it? |
| 11:32.59 | kleanchap | Is rsync part of Samba or is it a seperate backup tool by itself? |
| 11:33.00 | ew0x | Shadowcat: I know what a pinning is, thanks, just saying arghx obviously got it right: your pinning is non-effective. |
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| 11:33.00 | olqiax | sometimes i cant close iceweasel, it wont just close.. so i need to kill the pid, how can i fix this problem? |
| 11:33.06 | arghx | so his current sources.list is broken, very broken |
| 11:33.06 | babilen | arghx: Why should it? |
| 11:33.20 | arghx | babilen: cause that's what he tells us it does when he tries to install icewease 8 |
| 11:33.32 | Shadowcat | ew0x: I would say it's overly affective, it's keeping every single package in stable, which is what it's designed to do |
| 11:33.44 | babilen | arghx: An I would assume that Shadowcat is *not* installing iceweasel 8 from http://mozilla.debian.net but directly from sid |
| 11:33.55 | GNU\colossus | kleanchap, it's a thing of its own, but the original author is deeply involved in the creation of samba as well |
| 11:34.06 | arghx | babilen: yes. which is what I said: he has a borken frankendebian |
| 11:34.20 | kleanchap | GNU\colossus, Thnx |
| 11:34.25 | babilen | Shadowcat: The general recommendation to *never* mix stable with anything but backports still holds though. |
| 11:34.59 | arghx | Shadowcat: and that's why I told you to reinstall and not put anymore testing and sid binary repos into your sources.list |
| 11:35.04 | ew0x | Shadowcat: see, you're pulling out dependencies that just won't make it through, that's basically what we all agree on, that's not arghx being delusional. |
| 11:35.25 | Shadowcat | is it just me or is icewasel from mozilla.debian.net topping out at 3.5? |
| 11:35.25 | olqiax | sometimes i cant close iceweasel, it wont just close.. so i need to kill the pid, how can i find the problem? |
| 11:35.40 | babilen | Shadowcat: fwiw, I doubt that you need to reinstall if you only installed the kernel and lm-sensors from sid. (2 packages! mind you!) |
| 11:35.45 | ew0x | olqiax: certainly not by repeating the same question over and over again. |
| 11:35.54 | Shadowcat | babilen: I know I don't need to reinstall |
| 11:35.55 | babilen | Shadowcat: You want the "release" channel |
| 11:36.00 | arghx | olqiax: hard to solve a "sometimes" problem. run it under strace, preferably when you can reproduce the problem. and: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 11:36.06 | olqiax | ew0x: sry thaught no one has seen it ; ) |
| 11:36.08 | GNU\colossus | hmm, I'd really wish for them to prepare a backports-release of iceweasel, and compatible enigmail... |
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| 11:36.45 | babilen | GNU\colossus: Huh? Are you referring to icedove? (which is also on http://mozilla.debian.net) |
| 11:36.58 | GNU\colossus | erm, yeah, of course :) |
| 11:36.59 | Shadowcat | the problem with this particular motherboard is that it's z68 |
| 11:37.09 | GNU\colossus | babilen, icedove's most recent backports release is 5.0 |
| 11:37.11 | arghx | babilen: but being able to draw in iceweasel 8 from repos certainly means is pinning is simply not done, and it also strongly suggests he should remove sid/testing from his sources.list |
| 11:37.28 | GNU\colossus | babilen, well, not backports, but mozilla.d.n |
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| 11:37.48 | claw | is there a way to view all untranslated wikipages ? i want to translate them into my language ... |
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| 11:37.59 | claw | please help me help :) |
| 11:38.05 | Shadowcat | has a feeling that if he goes through all the dependencies manually that he'll be able to sort it out |
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| 11:38.55 | arghx | Shadowcat: you don't get it. you cannot get iceweasel 8 in squeeze from a debian.org repo. mdn, yes, debian.org, no. no matter how much you are sorting anything |
| 11:38.58 | babilen | arghx: There is no point in arguing about this. It merely means that a plethora of packages from sid need to be installed when one is installing IW from sid. I doubt that the same thing holds true for an installation of IW8 from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:39.24 | babilen | Shadowcat: If you want IW8 on squeeze install it from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:39.35 | Shadowcat | babilen: yes |
| 11:39.38 | Shadowcat | understood |
| 11:40.25 | arghx | babilen: but the fact that he could try install iw8 from his current repos without mdn means his current sources.list setup is broken, right? so what happens if he installs anything else tomorrow. will that drag in sid libraries too, this time without any direct gnome2 errors? |
| 11:40.28 | babilen | Shadowcat: And heed our advices regarding mixing stable with testing/unstable (aka "DON'T") -- You can quite easily install a .39 kernel and backport lm-sensors |
| 11:41.01 | Shadowcat | when I attempt to install iceweasel from sid, the package manager refuses to sort out sid dependencies without me specifying each one manually, because I specifically told it to NOT install sid packages |
| 11:41.10 | Shadowcat | which means that the pinning is doing it's job just fine |
| 11:41.16 | arghx | so the sanest thing to do right now to make sure nothing from sid gets mixed is to remove sid and testing. he doesn't need those anymore in his sources.list sinec he already has the precious kernel 3.0 he needs... |
| 11:41.17 | babilen | arghx: No, it means that the packaging system knows about IW8 in sid and that you can install that package with "-t sid" or "iceweasel/sid" |
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| 11:41.35 | simonlnu | Shadowcat: and you're overriding it |
| 11:41.38 | Shadowcat | babilen: that would cause major breakage |
| 11:41.50 | babilen | Shadowcat: Indeed |
| 11:41.52 | Shadowcat | simonlnu: I overrode it for the kernel and sensors, nothing else |
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| 11:43.29 | babilen | Shadowcat: I think it became quite clear what the sane way of doing things is. That being said, pulling a kernel from sid is typically not problematic. It is your system though and my recommendation would be to get rid of testing/unstable, install .39 from bdo and backport lm-sensors manually. |
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| 11:43.48 | Shadowcat | yeah |
| 11:43.56 | Shadowcat | I'll consider it if something requires me to change the kernel |
| 11:44.09 | Shadowcat | this is a headless box, so I'd rather NOT touch the kernel if I don't have to |
| 11:44.15 | Shadowcat | it works, I'll leave it alone for now |
| 11:44.20 | babilen | Shadowcat: As you are, most likely, not aware of what I said in the beginning → You can backport lm-sensors by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:44.34 | Shadowcat | I saw it |
| 11:45.00 | babilen | great, have fun then. (and don't blame us if you mess it up) |
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| 11:45.27 | Shadowcat | will just default to blaming babilen for everything that goes wrong from now on ;) |
| 11:45.30 | Shadowcat | :P |
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| 11:48.25 | Sebo | Hi, I need to send a mail ftom my bash script. I've tried $ mail -s subject recipient@address.dn but the mail failed to get out of the server. It returned with a message that Mailing to remote domains is not supported. How can I enable support for mailing to remote domains? |
| 11:49.31 | petemc | Sebo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 11:51.50 | hamid_rostami | Hi all, I have a problem with Grub boot loader that install after debian squeeze live flash disk, |
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| 11:52.46 | hamid_rostami | I have a dual boot system (debian and win), both of them boot well, |
| 11:53.33 | hamid_rostami | But windows boot once and after that the grub destroy |
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| 11:54.06 | Sebo | petemc: thx |
| 11:54.37 | hamid_rostami | What happenes to grub after booting windows ? |
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| 11:57.45 | arghx | hamid_rostami: how should we know what windows does? |
| 11:58.10 | olqiax | when im trying to remove programs in the software center it doesnt work, i click on remove and nothing happens, what do i need to do? |
| 11:58.23 | arghx | hamid_rostami: there are however many people who dualboot windows and debian (me included) without any problems, so it must be some speciality of your windows installation. We cannot support windows however |
| 11:58.35 | olqiax | i can remove it in console but i dont know all the names of installed packages.. |
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| 11:59.58 | hamid_rostami | arghx: I already install Ubuntu and Mint distributions and It doesn't have problem |
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| 12:00.31 | arghx | we don't support ubuntu or mint either |
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| 12:01.18 | vanessa | http://b39b5112.whackyvidz.com |
| 12:01.42 | hamid_rostami | arghx: But this problem happened when I install Debian distribution |
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| 12:02.21 | arghx | hamid_rostami: what part of "we cannot know what windows does" don't you understand? |
| 12:02.25 | petemc | hamid_rostami: what happens at boot time now? |
| 12:02.30 | anisfarhana | hello. |
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| 12:02.49 | anisfarhana | I got one file which is " ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386" while my system running AMD , can i execute this file on my AMD? |
| 12:03.04 | arghx | olqiax: tried synapitc (started via gksu or gksudo)? |
| 12:03.33 | arghx | anisfarhana: within limits yes. you will need the 32bit libs it uses. install ia32-libs for start |
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| 12:03.45 | arghx | anisfarhana: and run ldd <binary> to see what other ones it wants |
| 12:03.48 | hamid_rostami | petemc: In Grub screen, Debian and win listed, both of them boot well |
| 12:03.56 | olqiax | arghx: yeah ive tried it already, but gksu or gksudo saying nothing to me |
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| 12:05.15 | petemc | hamid_rostami: you said that already, and it hardly seems cause for complaint - whats the actual problem? |
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| 12:05.48 | shadowcry | hi mates |
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| 12:05.55 | anisfarhana | arghx: it works! |
| 12:05.59 | hamid_rostami | petemc: no, grub is ok after installing debian |
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| 12:06.45 | olqiax | arghx: its interesting, ive started the software manager, removed it with apt-get remove command now im able to remove other packages in the software center.. |
| 12:06.45 | shadowcry | I recently go a Debian VPS and I don't know what to do with it, any ideas? I have already played around with apache2. |
| 12:07.04 | auREAX | nginx |
| 12:07.17 | petemc | shadowcry: socks proxy |
| 12:07.38 | LSymonds | petemc: Or he could just SSH tunnel. |
| 12:07.48 | petemc | thats what i meant |
| 12:08.01 | shadowcry | petemc: LSymonds Any more suggestions? |
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| 12:10.17 | arghx | shadowcry: cancel the contract and save the money for something you want and know how to use |
| 12:10.36 | petemc | very droll |
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| 12:10.56 | shadowcry | arghx: I was given it for free to learn on. |
| 12:12.16 | anisfarhana | arghx: thanks sir! |
| 12:12.40 | petemc | shadowcry: some vps providers allow you to move your vps to a datacentre in another country, can be useful for filching tv etc that is restricted to certain countries |
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| 12:13.38 | shadowcry | petemc: its a VPS my mate runs, so yeah sounds like a cool idea. |
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| 12:16.28 | tolzoky | hello, after i remove a package i need to apt-get -f install or my gnome is broken, cant figure it out, maybe im making something wrong? |
| 12:16.51 | tolzoky | all icons are gone, after apt-get -f install everything is fine, is this normal? |
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| 12:17.25 | shadowcry | bye |
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| 12:31.06 | go^ | Has anybody problems with chromium on debian sid ? |
| 12:31.26 | ansgar | go^: http://bugs.debian.org/src:chromium-browser |
| 12:31.39 | go^ | ansgar, ty |
| 12:31.41 | babilen | go^: "Aw, Snap" ? |
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| 12:32.00 | go^ | babilen, uhm..sorry? |
| 12:32.24 | babilen | go^: Is chromium crashing immediately with the "Aw, Snap" message? |
| 12:32.45 | go^ | babilen, i've got it in italian but probably is the error message, yeah :) |
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| 12:33.55 | go^ | babilen, did you solve the problem with chromium? |
| 12:34.07 | Milos | If I /etc/init.d/networking restart while the machine is not plugged in, will it work when I plug a cable in? |
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| 12:36.02 | babilen | go^: The bug has been reported to the BTS and is AFAIK not fixed yet. (but read the bug as I am not following it that closely) -- Sorry, I thought that you would understand the "Aw, Snap" reference immediately |
| 12:36.29 | go^ | yep babilen ..thank you ;) |
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| 12:37.11 | julianoliver | ugh, i'm finding Gnome 3 on Testing a horrible mess.. will it really become default in Stable? is it the intention that Debian/Gnome focuses on the kiosk, primary school or touchpad markets? |
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| 12:37.36 | supayoshi | Hi how to set a cronjob to run 2ce a day, at 2 different times? |
| 12:37.42 | supayoshi | just write it down 2 times? |
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| 12:38.00 | julianoliver | supayoshi: yes, at different times. |
| 12:38.02 | themill | julianoliver: it's a work in progress and you'd be better off asking the gnome developers. |
| 12:38.32 | julianoliver | themill: i suppose i'm more curious about the decision from the perspective of Debian's overall intention here. |
| 12:38.44 | julianoliver | s/intention/strategy/ |
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| 12:39.30 | themill | julianoliver: Debian packages what upstreams produce. |
| 12:39.41 | ruwen | !gnome shell |
| 12:39.41 | dpkg | The GNOME Shell is the core user interface for the <GNOME> desktop as of version 3, replacing GNOME Panel. http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org. See also <mutter>. |
| 12:39.42 | julianoliver | indeed. |
| 12:40.24 | ruwen | hi |
| 12:41.32 | ruwen | i updated my testing system and now i got gnome 3. but when i logon, i only see my background image. no panel, no gnome dash etc. any ideas what could be missing? i install the complete gnome package |
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| 12:42.18 | julianoliver | ruwen: the configs are completely incompatible with gnome 2 it seems.. crazy really. |
| 12:43.03 | ruwen | i already went through my home and move all hidden folders who looked like gnome to a backup dir, so they dont mess up anything |
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| 12:45.01 | synteot | hello, i was looking some videos with flash player, after i configured the gnash-dbg.log file youtube wont play any videos |
| 12:45.18 | synteot | its grey, and i cant get it to the standart preferences |
| 12:45.46 | ruwen | julianoliver or do i also have to clean up configs in /etc/? |
| 12:45.53 | raven | lenny does not switch of power with any command (halt, shutdown, ...) - any ideas? |
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| 12:46.23 | synteot | raven: sudo poweroff? |
| 12:46.48 | raven | synteot, does not work also |
| 12:47.17 | synteot | raven: youve tried it as root already? |
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| 12:48.53 | julianoliver | ruwen: i don't know yet.. |
| 12:48.55 | raven | synteot, yes |
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| 12:49.23 | ruwen | ah ok |
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| 12:49.52 | synteot | raven: cant think about it that root cant shutdown.. wait for any reply from the 1337´s here ; ) |
| 12:50.25 | ruwen | hmm maybe its time for a complete reinstall ;) |
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| 12:51.09 | julianoliver | ruwen: so far it feels simply too unuseable, in fact broken, to work with. i'll default to DWM or XFCE on the workstations and wait for Gnome 3 to get to high-school before trying again. |
| 12:51.33 | raven | synteot, it does but it only halts the hdd - with other systems it turns off power too |
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| 12:52.00 | ruwen | at the moment i use the fallback modus |
| 12:52.00 | thewanderer1l | I'm seeing very poor performance (50kB/s) on iwlagn, kernel 3.1, firmware from Wheezy (firmware-iwlwifi), Squeeze userspace, NIC "03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 008a (rev 34)". any clues? |
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| 12:52.31 | thewanderer1l | oh, also, the battery lasts 2h on Debian while on Windows it manages to pull 6 hours... O.o |
| 12:53.07 | julianoliver | thewanderer1l: try installing laptop-mode and powertop. look for memory consumption. |
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| 12:53.13 | julianoliver | s/memory/cpu/ |
| 12:53.49 | thewanderer1l | julianoliver, sadly this is with all powertop tunables set to "good"... the CPU seems to be overheating, or maybe it's the GPU |
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| 12:54.15 | thewanderer1l | there are 2 GPUs inside, one Intel (on Sandy Bridge), another NVIDIA, I'm not sure if the NVIDIA one is disabled |
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| 12:54.28 | thewanderer1l | but don't know how to check that either :/ |
| 12:54.40 | ruwen | i am trying out xfce, cya |
| 12:54.57 | synteot | raven: you are using kde or gnome? im reading that some people got the problems too, in kde |
| 12:55.08 | raven | synteot, xfce |
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| 12:55.32 | morlenxus | Hey folks |
| 12:55.51 | morlenxus | What has happend to /usr/share/xsessions? Has it been moved to some new place? |
| 12:55.52 | julianoliver | thewanderer1l: disable it in the bios? |
| 12:56.10 | thewanderer1l | julianoliver, I wish, but no option for that there |
| 12:56.15 | julianoliver | thewanderer1l: right. |
| 12:56.25 | LSymonds | morlenxus: Type in locate xsessions |
| 12:56.41 | synteot | raven: try this, open up the file /boot/grub/menu.lst as root |
| 12:56.50 | raven | synteot, ok |
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| 12:57.04 | morlenxus | LSymonds: No result |
| 12:57.39 | raven | synteot, next? |
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| 12:58.09 | synteot | raven: than put an "acpi=force" (without "") behind the root=/dev/sdx ro quiet |
| 12:58.16 | julianoliver | thewanderer1l: is it a new laptop? i've run Debian on several laptops. generally it takes a year or so before ACPI 'ripens' on the machine and you get decent return on battery life alongside reliable suspend, hibernate etc. |
| 12:58.21 | synteot | remove the entry splash, if it exist |
| 12:58.23 | synteot | s |
| 12:58.54 | thewanderer1l | julianoliver, yeah, this is one of the newest laptops :/ |
| 12:59.04 | morlenxus | LSymonds: So again, has it been moved? |
| 12:59.04 | synteot | raven: it should look like this /boot/vmlinuz-2.x.x-x-generic root=/dev/sdx1 ro quiet acpi=force |
| 12:59.13 | thewanderer1l | so now I've determined that the power usage is probably due to NVIDIA |
| 12:59.21 | julianoliver | thewanderer1l: not uncommon.. |
| 12:59.38 | synteot | raven: after that, sudo update-grub |
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| 13:00.10 | synteot | raven: reboot and look if it works... and give feedback i hope it will work |
| 13:00.19 | synteot | raven: good luck ; ) |
| 13:00.24 | raven | synteot, ok just a moment |
| 13:00.28 | LSymonds | morlenxus: Must have been. |
| 13:00.44 | LSymonds | /etc/X11/Xsession? |
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| 13:01.50 | lala | hey i am getting error installing gempak ..... Makefile:26: /config/Makeinc.common: No such file or directory ..... though all the paths are correct as per my knowledge ... anyone that can help |
| 13:02.02 | morlenxus | LSymonds: I try to manually create the dir. |
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| 13:02.55 | morlenxus | Can someone suggest a beautifully display manager than xdm but as plain and simple as xdm - which still use /usr/share/xsessions dir? |
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| 13:07.40 | julianoliver | morlenxus: http://dwm.suckless.org/ |
| 13:07.57 | julianoliver | well, i think it's beautiful ;) |
| 13:09.14 | julianoliver | morlenxus: DWM is extremely fast. also has a run prompt and very sane default window management binds. |
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| 13:11.41 | raven | synteot, ok acpi=force did not work.... |
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| 13:13.35 | synteot | raven: i dont get it man... you say you have already logged in as root and tried poweroff? or shutdown -h now ? |
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| 13:13.51 | raven | synteot, yes |
| 13:14.29 | synteot | guys, root is not able to poweroff the mashine, how to fix this? |
| 13:14.38 | synteot | raven: ; ) |
| 13:15.08 | ompaul | synteot: when you are root, have you typed init 0 or something else? |
| 13:15.10 | nsadmin | I never had to work thru that as a problem |
| 13:15.36 | nsadmin | what machine do you have exactly? |
| 13:15.46 | nsadmin | what motherboard? |
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| 13:16.43 | raven | nsadmin, very old machine 166 mhz intel but with ubuntu it worked to turn off power |
| 13:18.18 | nsadmin | using what mechanism? |
| 13:18.23 | synteot | ompaul: what does the command init 0 do ? |
| 13:18.47 | raven | nsadmin, what do you mean |
| 13:18.48 | nsadmin | oops, here we go... |
| 13:18.49 | ompaul | synteot: changes the run level to zero, thus putting the machine in off |
| 13:19.04 | nsadmin | acpi? apm? |
| 13:19.20 | nsadmin | acpi is newer, you might have only apm |
| 13:19.20 | raven | nsadmin, acpi -i think- how to find out? |
| 13:19.40 | igel | valdyn: you still there? |
| 13:20.00 | nsadmin | looks like we're all going on a netsplit ride soon |
| 13:20.12 | ompaul | igel: ask the channel giving enough detail, then someone will know if they have the answer to your question,or not |
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| 13:20.33 | synteot | ompaul: hm okay... im really new to linux i need more informations but dont know where to start, you got any proposal? |
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| 13:21.07 | synteot | ompaul: i just know the basics of the shell, but want to get "into the system" you know? : ) |
| 13:21.13 | nsadmin | synteot, that depends a lot on what you want to do |
| 13:21.25 | ompaul | synteot: open a terminal >> type su - << and then type >> init 0 << |
| 13:21.49 | ompaul | synteot: and I take it you understand when you get a password prompt you should put in your root password |
| 13:22.22 | igel | Once per hour, the server kicks me out of ssh, and I can't log back in. Then I go to this virtual admin interface, click restart, and magically, I can log in again. Now, I was wonering if another machine is assuming our IP address. That seems to be the case, because: while I cannot log in, ssh warns me that the ssh id changed. After restarting, the ssh id of the server is back to normal. |
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| 13:23.02 | ompaul | igel: are you typing an IP address? |
| 13:23.28 | igel | ompaul: I did try to type the IP directly, yes, same effect. |
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| 13:23.57 | igel | ompaul: that is, in both states (I can log in, and I cannot log in), entering the name directly, and entering the IP address have the same effect. |
| 13:27.25 | igel | There's another funny effect: sudo reboot does not successfully reboot the machine. |
| 13:27.25 | igel | However, hitting reboot in the admin interface of the virtual server host restarts the machine properly. |
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| 13:31.39 | ompaul | igel: please log into the box and put the contents of /etc/network/interfaces into paste.debian.net and if you are using public network-space change than number |
| 13:31.39 | ompaul | s/than/that/ |
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| 13:31.48 | igel | ompaul This is /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/P7XfKGVV |
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| 13:31.48 | ompaul | thanks |
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| 13:31.49 | raven | vncviewer via ssh - how to connect to another ssh port? |
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| 13:32.15 | arghx | raven: you do a ssh portforward |
| 13:32.37 | raven | arghx, i did but the ssh server has not 22 |
| 13:32.52 | mramish | anyone using stable with latst nvidia drivers here? is it possible to install the prop ones on stable? |
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| 13:32.55 | ompaul | igel: it looks to me from what you said that the problem lies in the way the supplier has it set up |
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| 13:33.02 | arghx | are you asking for the ssh port or the vnc port you are forwarding? |
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| 13:33.21 | igel | ompaul: I was afraid you'd say that :( |
| 13:33.24 | arghx | mramish: it's possible by making a backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:33.30 | arghx | mramish: what videocard do you have? |
| 13:33.32 | ompaul | igel: if they broke it, they will fix it ime |
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| 13:33.40 | mramish | nvidai gt 430 |
| 13:33.54 | raven | arghx, where to configure vncviewer via ......... to connect to another port than 22 |
| 13:33.56 | arghx | mramish: and the squeeze nvidia drivers won't support this chip? |
| 13:33.59 | igel | ompaul: Well, I started this. I upgraded from debian 4 to 6. |
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| 13:34.08 | socio | !list |
| 13:34.08 | dpkg | socio: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 13:34.20 | mramish | dunno want to stick with stable repos as much as i can |
| 13:34.21 | igel | ompaul: Things worked fine w/ debian 4. |
| 13:34.26 | arghx | raven: have you done a "man vncviewer"? line 8 is important for you |
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| 13:34.38 | ompaul | igel: things have moved on a long way since etch |
| 13:34.39 | mramish | a sorry stats stable^ |
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| 13:34.48 | nsadmin | igel, then find out what debian 4 did right |
| 13:34.54 | mramish | no last try was a disaster |
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| 13:35.23 | arghx | mramish: yes. and that's how you do it. you backport the drivers to stable. but only if the ones in squeeze already aren't new enough and don't recognize your chip. have you tried them yet? |
| 13:35.28 | igel | ompaul: The upgrade failed miserably. Instead, I then used their debian 6 template, and re-installed our data. |
| 13:35.28 | mramish | Or maybe i did something wrong |
| 13:35.44 | arghx | igel: did you upgrade from 4 to 6 directly? |
| 13:35.48 | nsadmin | socio, warez available on the irc net 5000 light years to your left |
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| 13:36.01 | igel | arghx: No. First to 5. That worked, until I tried a kernel update. |
| 13:36.07 | igel | arghx: Which froze the machine. |
| 13:36.20 | ompaul | someone should edit !list to be the dvd ;-) |
| 13:36.23 | mramish | Not yet lasdt time i treid was 2 months ago. |
| 13:36.48 | mramish | Maybe i give them another shot |
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| 13:37.09 | ompaul | igel: did they have a kernel for 5 ? |
| 13:37.36 | igel | ompaul: Well … no. I was being stupid. From the name of the pre-installed kernel, I was guessing they're using openvz, which is wrong. |
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| 13:37.53 | igel | So I tried installing the openvz kernel, which … wasn't very smart. |
| 13:38.00 | ompaul | igel: sounds like you need their help not ours |
| 13:38.05 | raven | arghx, no it is not. vncviewer -via user@name.dyndns.org:sshport localhost:1 - what makes this line correct? |
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| 13:38.23 | ompaul | we know how straight debian is setup, we don't know what their strangeness is |
| 13:38.25 | mramish | Does the debian driver support 3d? |
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| 13:38.55 | igel | ompaul: I get it. I just thought that after re-installing a scratch debian 6 from their part, that the mistake is probably on my end. |
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| 13:39.15 | nsadmin | debian driver supports 36dd! |
| 13:39.24 | igel | ompaul: But I think you're right: I need to contact them now :) |
| 13:39.32 | igel | ompaul: Oki, thanks for the help :) |
| 13:39.38 | ompaul | igel: you may need to check out datasbases and how they upgrade |
| 13:39.53 | mramish | ok then back to mother deb :) |
| 13:40.02 | igel | ompaul: databases? |
| 13:40.08 | nsadmin | and Father Ian? |
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| 13:40.30 | mramish | ^^ |
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| 13:41.15 | ompaul | igel: if you are using other software on that system (databases for instance) the format of the files may need to change. |
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| 13:41.46 | mramish | sick of *new release o sorry we broke your conf* |
| 13:41.57 | igel | ompaul: Mostly, it's a website and an svn repo. Both of which seem to work fine. |
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| 13:42.58 | ompaul | igel: other than in a networking way, so therefore have a chat with supplier |
| 13:43.16 | raven | arghx, ? |
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| 13:43.52 | niks | hello |
| 13:43.57 | niks | ah it works :) |
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| 13:44.14 | niks | HI just installed sid with lxde |
| 13:44.16 | nsadmin | wut werks? |
| 13:46.23 | ompaul | and this surprises you how? ;-) |
| 13:46.23 | niks | had to use expert install as graphics not staring |
| 13:46.23 | niks | starting |
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| 13:57.46 | TimmyT1 | im going to run iCall. but it says: /opt/iCall/bin/iCall: error while loading shared libraries: libminiupnpc.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. what is libminiupnpc? kuz i have googled for that and could not find that for debian. just rhel |
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| 13:59.29 | MrMind | Hi! is it possible to hide programs in kde4 menu without removing them? |
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| 14:00.04 | TimmyT1 | MrMind: yes |
| 14:00.15 | ompaul | MrMind: right click and edit the menu |
| 14:00.37 | MrMind | I don't find any way to just hide them? just remove |
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| 14:00.51 | MrMind | I use kde 4.4 if that matters |
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| 14:04.26 | ompaul | mosno: it does, you best have a look at your env and work out what shell you are using |
| 14:04.38 | themill | mosno: if you're sourcing bash completion from .bash_profile then you'll find that screen doesn't create a login shell |
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| 14:07.01 | Womkes | DING DING DING |
| 14:07.03 | Womkes | WHY YOU CALLING ME |
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| 14:20.45 | batouzo | in aptitude how to sort packages by size |
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| 14:21.01 | batouzo | e.g. I want to remove some of biggest installed packages to free space |
| 14:21.11 | batouzo | or any other way to do it from cli |
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| 14:21.58 | ideefixe | Hi, how can i echo '#test' > /etc/some.config ? (i get permission problems), I am in sudoers as ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: ALL, Thanks! |
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| 14:22.29 | ompaul | ideefixe: what is the output of uname -a |
| 14:22.54 | ideefixe | Linux home 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:23.46 | ompaul | ideefixe: so do this >> su - << then >> echo '#test' > /etc/some.config |
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| 14:24.26 | ompaul | ideefixe: to do it with sudo sudo -i and start there |
| 14:24.28 | cthuluh | dpkg: tell batouzo -about dpigs |
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| 14:25.03 | cthuluh | ideefixe: or sudo bash -c 'echo "#test" >> /etc/foo' |
| 14:26.00 | themill | or use tee |
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| 14:27.55 | ompaul | ideefixe: read this also, and know that it is far from complete but it is useful |
| 14:28.04 | ompaul | http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_04.html |
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| 14:28.25 | Sebo | Hi, I need to send a simple mail from my script... I'm trying with $ mail -s "subject" rcp@gmail.com and what i can see in the /var/log/exim4/mainlog is that it can not connect to any google host (connection timed out). Anyidea how to fix it or just send the mailother way round? |
| 14:29.27 | batouzo | Cthulhux: thanks, are you wgah'nagl fhtagn? |
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| 14:31.04 | mosno | ompaul & themill, thanks, i just had to un-comment the bash_completion section in my /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 14:32.44 | ompaul | mosno: what version are you running (of bash) |
| 14:33.08 | mosno | ompaul: 4.1-3 |
| 14:33.23 | ompaul | ,versions bash |
| 14:33.26 | judd | Package: bash on i386 -- lenny: 3.2-4; sid: 4.1-3; squeeze: 4.1-3; wheezy: 4.1-3; experimental: 4.2-1~exp1 |
| 14:33.47 | ompaul | judd you're wrong |
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| 14:34.03 | ompaul | sid is 1.5 |
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| 14:34.25 | mosno | fwiw, the solution works for both squeeze and sid (just tried it on both) |
| 14:34.41 | ideefixe | many thanks ompaul ! it worked |
| 14:34.42 | ompaul | mosno: it didn't fail on sid for me :) |
| 14:34.44 | mramish | is it possible to change the partitions during debian installation? |
| 14:34.51 | ompaul | ideefixe: you're welcome |
| 14:34.53 | mramish | the size |
| 14:35.30 | ompaul | mramish: you can set them up any way you like (as long as you have enough to work with) |
| 14:35.54 | themill | mosno: take care not to accidentally load the bash completion stuff twice. (I don't know if it protects itself against that these days) |
| 14:35.57 | mramish | i do not find the option in the installer |
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| 14:36.17 | mosno | ompaul: "sid is 1.5"? |
| 14:36.33 | mramish | or do i have to erease the old ones to get this option? |
| 14:37.07 | ompaul | mosno: 4.1.5 |
| 14:37.12 | ompaul | at least my sid on this box here |
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| 14:37.37 | mosno | ompaul: that's strange |
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| 14:37.48 | mosno | perhaps my mirrors are old |
| 14:38.05 | themill | ompaul: since when? It's not hit the mirrors or QA page yet. |
| 14:38.09 | mosno | ftp.au.debian.org |
| 14:38.29 | mramish | because deliting my old lvm seems to take ages |
| 14:38.43 | mosno | themill: what happens if it's loaded more than once? |
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| 14:39.41 | ompaul | themill: am I wrong let me look again |
| 14:39.50 | themill | ompaul: actually, you'll find that bash --version and the bash package version are somewhat different. |
| 14:40.01 | ompaul | themill: ahh |
| 14:40.06 | ompaul | I took it as --version |
| 14:40.09 | themill | mosno: can't recall... difficult to debug is all I remember of it :) |
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| 14:40.17 | aways | Ola |
| 14:40.18 | aways | :D |
| 14:40.19 | ompaul | mosno: see, I'm wrong again L( |
| 14:40.22 | ompaul | :-) |
| 14:40.23 | mosno | ohhhh |
| 14:40.25 | aways | Question I'am renning in debiand sid |
| 14:40.35 | mosno | yes, my upstream bash is 4.1.5 |
| 14:40.40 | firenode_iLX | Hello, may I ask what Linux kernel version is there currently in Debian release |
| 14:40.47 | aways | and i can't install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 14:40.55 | mosno | i would have thought the debian package would be called 4.1.5-3 |
| 14:40.58 | themill | firenode_iLX: /msg judd kernels |
| 14:41.07 | sterna | firenode_iLX: debian stable? |
| 14:41.07 | aways | because ( to change ) abi version insn't good version |
| 14:41.07 | ompaul | well now there we go |
| 14:41.13 | sterna | firenode_iLX: 2.6.32 afaik |
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| 14:41.16 | aways | you have an tips to compile this ? |
| 14:41.22 | firenode_iLX | Ok |
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| 14:41.26 | firenode_iLX | Thanks |
| 14:41.30 | firenode_iLX | Nice |
| 14:41.34 | mosno | why isn't that the case? i'm guessing something in policy? |
| 14:41.44 | mosno | or is it a mistake? |
| 14:41.55 | aways | kernel 3.0.0-2-686-pae |
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| 14:42.08 | chardry | Bonjour |
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| 14:42.44 | chardry | j'ai besoin de votre aide |
| 14:42.57 | ompaul | !fr |
| 14:42.57 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 14:43.15 | themill | mosno: more likely the patches to change upstream micro-versions are sufficiently small that they are just included in the debian packaging rather than as a new source tarball: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/bash/4.1-3 |
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| 14:44.12 | aways | How to install nvidia-kernel-legacy ? |
| 14:44.31 | aways | because with nvidia-install and ignoreAbi options i have a seg fault |
| 14:44.33 | aways | ;) |
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| 14:47.37 | firenode_iLX | Was Lenny and major release I not sure does any one know? |
| 14:47.47 | mosno | themill: hmm, interesting. |
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| 15:00.45 | unixabg | greetings, I have a lxde guest image running in virtualbox 4.1.4 and the guest has the additions for vbox. It does not bringup the logout shutdown menu |
| 15:00.54 | unixabg | when I send the guest the shutdown signal. |
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| 15:01.06 | unixabg | I am not sure what I am missing. Any ideas? |
| 15:01.27 | unixabg | fwiw: I have a gnome setup that does operate as I expect. |
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| 15:04.15 | Woet | what to do when grub cannot be installed on a disk of 2 TB? |
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| 15:05.16 | Woet | centos installs fine btw. |
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| 15:08.28 | unixabg | Woet: do you do linux only installs? |
| 15:08.41 | Woet | unixabg: on this machine? |
| 15:09.25 | unixabg | Woet: yes, I should have said if you only run linux images on the machine. |
| 15:09.37 | Woet | unixabg: yes, only linux has been on it so far |
| 15:09.43 | Woet | but that can change in the future. |
| 15:09.48 | unixabg | If so you could try extlinux. I really like it and has served me well. |
| 15:10.07 | Woet | oh, it will only have 1 OS at a time |
| 15:10.12 | Woet | is that your actual question? :p |
| 15:10.14 | unixabg | I suppose you could switch at the time you change, but I just use vbox or vmware for other things now. |
| 15:10.51 | Woet | if it will have another OS later i'll just overwrite the extlinux bootloader |
| 15:10.52 | unixabg | Woet: I was trying to answer your question above on what to dow then grub cannot be installed. |
| 15:10.56 | Woet | okay |
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| 15:11.22 | unixabg | ymmv, but I am very satisfied with extlinux. |
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| 15:12.06 | Woet | unixabg: well, the issue is that 1) this is for customers, they will expect grub probably and 2) it should be possible to do it in an automated fashion using preseed |
| 15:12.26 | Woet | unixabg: so is there a way to make grub behave? centos uses grub too and it installs without a hitch |
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| 15:13.53 | unixabg | Woet: I am sure, let me attempt to assist. What version of debian? |
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| 15:14.24 | Woet | unixabg: okay, i already figured it out. i need to make a small partition for "reserved bios boot area" |
| 15:14.31 | Woet | now i just need to figure out how to do so using preseed |
| 15:14.33 | Woet | unixabg: squeeze |
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| 15:15.31 | unixabg | Woet: I ahve not encountered the issue, but if you know the geometry you can tell the partitions manager. |
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| 15:31.50 | technologov_ | hi all ! |
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| 15:32.16 | technologov_ | I would like to file a bug that kernel upgrades are not reflected in "uname -a" |
| 15:32.42 | abrotman | technologov_: that's intentional .. that's the ABI version, not hte kernel version |
| 15:32.42 | technologov_ | Is there a valid reason to hide changes from uname -a ? |
| 15:32.43 | arghx | then do it? |
| 15:33.00 | abrotman | technologov_: cat /proc/version |
| 15:33.02 | technologov_ | ABI version is stable.. 2.6.32 |
| 15:33.08 | abrotman | not that ABI version |
| 15:33.12 | abrotman | !kernel abi |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | bleh .. |
| 15:33.16 | abrotman | !abi |
| 15:33.24 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:33.25 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 2.6.26-1-686 to another 2.6.26-1-686 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | oh .. yay |
| 15:33.28 | dpkg | it has been said that abi is application binary interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface). See also <kernel abi>. |
| 15:33.32 | abrotman | laggy bot |
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| 15:33.46 | abrotman | technologov_: what you see in 'uname -a' is correct |
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| 15:34.17 | themill | !spank abrotman |
| 15:34.19 | dpkg | bends abrotman over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 15:34.26 | themill | abrotman: not that laggy when it wants to be |
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| 15:34.44 | technologov_ | abrotman, it is incorrect. Debian patch-level is not reflected in uname -a |
| 15:34.46 | rly | How do people generally (covering >80% of people) pay in the US online? |
| 15:34.56 | technologov_ | debian 6.0.0 and 6.0.3 kernels look the same from uname -a |
| 15:35.11 | abrotman | technologov_: it *is* correct .. sorry you disagree, but you're wrong |
| 15:35.12 | technologov_ | but if there is ABI reason... then ok |
| 15:35.29 | abrotman | rly: #debian-offtopic please .. we can answer there |
| 15:35.50 | technologov_ | well... for other distros (Fedora/openSUSE) -- I would fill a bug on sight... but for Debian I discuss first :) |
| 15:36.10 | technologov_ | I'm new to debian, and this is on-topic issue |
| 15:36.13 | abrotman | technologov_: i also told you, if you want to see the package version, 'cat /proc/version' |
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| 15:36.28 | technologov_ | because kernel is not rly 2.6.32 anymore |
| 15:36.32 | themill | technologov_: the only way of reflecting the debian patch level in uname -a would be to fiddle with uname -r and that would break every other tool in debian. |
| 15:36.45 | technologov_ | ok, thx |
| 15:37.00 | abrotman | themill: imagine the mess! |
| 15:37.23 | technologov_ | cat /proc/version did the trick :) - THANKS |
| 15:37.54 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 15:40.04 | technologov_ | (it is just a bit hard for me to see kernel upgrades without changes in 'uname -r' - hard for openSUSE user) |
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| 15:40.45 | jmd | How do I configure gdm3 to allow shutdown/reboot ? |
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| 15:43.53 | technologov_ | AFAIK - even RHEL doesn't maintain ABI compatibility. |
| 15:44.05 | technologov_ | only API. |
| 15:44.33 | technologov_ | (RHEL being more backward compatible than other RPM distros) |
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| 15:44.53 | jordanm | RHEL kernels are much more heavily modified from upstream than debian kernels |
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| 15:46.16 | dvs | jordanm: really? |
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| 15:47.27 | technologov_ | well.. RHEL do driver backporting a lot... that is u can run old version of RHEL on new hardware, and it will be often supported. |
| 15:47.39 | technologov_ | Debian also does some backporting from long-term 2.6.32 |
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| 15:47.47 | technologov_ | But I don't know details... |
| 15:49.02 | abrotman | technologov_: right .. we backport patches and fixes and security fixes |
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| 16:00.12 | technologov_ | BTW -- Have u heard about reboot-less kernel upgrades ? |
| 16:00.33 | technologov_ | Oracle Ksplice technology. Interesting read. |
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| 16:01.36 | GNU\colossus | back when they were still ksplice, inc. or slt. on their own and slashvertized crappy stories ever second week, yes. |
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| 16:07.45 | jmd | technologov_, Google has published a method of doing that, many years ago. |
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| 16:08.24 | jemadux | i want to install faenza icons in gnome3 how can i do that ?? |
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| 16:09.25 | LSymonds | jemadux: http://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Faenza-Icons-173323228 - Follow the instructions here. |
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| 16:10.17 | shad0VV | hello |
| 16:10.52 | shad0VV | i have multiple versions of gcc installed,how can i set which one is the default one? |
| 16:10.57 | jemadux | LSymonds: but i downloaded for debian icons here http://code.google.com/p/faenza-icon-theme/downloads/list |
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| 16:13.25 | Brillo | Hello all! I have a Debian 6.0.3 that is being used for some SSH Tunneling and I need to limit a particular user's up and down speeds. Any Ideas? |
| 16:13.29 | technologov_ | yo |
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| 16:14.14 | GNU\colossus | Brillo, other than tc? not really. |
| 16:14.23 | Brillo | tc? |
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| 16:14.50 | GNU\colossus | http://linux.die.net/man/8/tc |
| 16:15.04 | Brillo | thank you GNU\colossus |
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| 16:19.56 | technologov_ | shad0VV, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/applications/10493-changing-default-c-compiler.html |
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| 16:21.43 | shad0VV | technologov_: found it thanks anyway |
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| 16:23.01 | abrotman | shad0VV: realistically, you'd use the CC variable |
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| 16:41.38 | jemadux | one question folks .. when i open skype the cursor from awaita black goes to white !! how to fix that ? |
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| 17:01.54 | steph7 | hi, how can I install conky in squeeze? just aptitude conky? I don't use neither synaptic nor gdebi |
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| 17:02.31 | somiaj | steph7: aptitude search, apt-cache search or use packages.debian.org |
| 17:03.00 | ws2k3 | how can i check if my debian has the l7-support? |
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| 17:03.21 | somiaj | steph7: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=conky -- its in contrib, by default contrib/non-free sources aren't enabled. You'll have to add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:03.38 | somiaj | ws2k3: what is the l7-support? Is it some kernel feature? |
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| 17:04.01 | ws2k3 | l7-filter |
| 17:04.05 | ws2k3 | for iptables |
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| 17:05.00 | steph7 | somiaj, I added squeeze backport in source.list |
| 17:05.04 | somiaj | sounds like a kernel feature still. I would figure out the config name for that, and then check /boot/config-kernel_ver |
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| 17:05.37 | somiaj | steph7: its not a backport. You have to have deb mirror squeeze main contrib <-- you need to add the contrib section, and maybe the non-free section if you want that |
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| 17:06.42 | somiaj | ws2k3: you may need to do two things. 1) check if the feature is in your kernel, 2) see if your version of iptables supports it. You can get a backported kernel and/or iptables if it wasn't a feature when squeeze froze. |
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| 17:07.09 | ws2k3 | wel.. i use itpables for a long time |
| 17:07.20 | ws2k3 | but i never used l7-filter |
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| 17:07.38 | ws2k3 | i tryed this command: iptables -m layer7 --help to test if it already support and that wasnt the case. |
| 17:08.06 | ws2k3 | but do u allways have to replace my kernel or can i not just apt-get install l7-filter? and why u donty recommand that method? |
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| 17:09.46 | somiaj | ws2k3: well the google hits I get say you have to patch the kernel and iptables for it. Seems its not mainline. You may have to check though the debian patches to see if they do this or not. You may want to check out #netfilter to see if this is still the case |
| 17:09.53 | steph7 | somiaj, what exactly the "deb http"? |
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| 17:10.48 | somiaj | steph7: the first line 'deb' says this is a debian archive (for binaries), the second line http://whatevermirror.com/debian <- that s the actual mirror you are using, then the next line is the distrubution followed by the catagories. Usually any of main, contrib and non-free |
| 17:11.11 | somiaj | steph7: so you jsut need to add 'contrib' at the end of your main squeeze mirror line |
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| 17:11.27 | ws2k3 | somiaj how can i find out what apt-get install l7-filter does exacly? |
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| 17:11.48 | Woet | how would I create a "Reserved space for BIOS" partition using debian preseed so I can use grub in combination with 2 TB disks? |
| 17:11.49 | steph7 | somiaj, ok |
| 17:12.12 | Woet | ws2k3: it installs the package 'l7-filter', which is a 'Userspace layer 7 packet classifier ' |
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| 17:12.30 | jhutchins | Woet: How many 2TB systems are you building? |
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| 17:12.46 | Woet | jhutchins: > 500 |
| 17:13.01 | jhutchins | Wow. What or? |
| 17:13.05 | jhutchins | What for? |
| 17:13.10 | Woet | dedicated servers. |
| 17:13.13 | somiaj | ws2k3: things like aptitude show l7-filter-userspace gives you a full description which as ws2k3 sad, is a userspace version so you don't have to patch the kernel (guess you can get it that way) |
| 17:13.29 | OldParr | who do i find the root directory of live-build ? |
| 17:13.32 | ws2k3 | well yeah i was looking for the userspace version. |
| 17:13.48 | Woet | jhutchins: i guess you only wanted to suggest doing it manually? :p |
| 17:13.56 | ws2k3 | but why if i installed l7-filter my iptables still show it doesnt support it? |
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| 17:14.18 | Woet | ws2k3: we can provide help with debian, not specific packages/software |
| 17:14.27 | somiaj | ws2k3: check /usr/share/doc/l7-filter-userspace -- there is usally useful info there. |
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| 17:14.41 | ws2k3 | iptables v1.4.8: Couldn't load match `layer7':/lib/xtables/libipt_layer7.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:14.58 | ws2k3 | i shall try thanks |
| 17:15.02 | Woet | ws2k3: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:15.05 | ws2k3 | have to go i'll be bacn soon thanks alot. |
| 17:15.36 | somiaj | Woet: could you have a script partition each of these drives before using the preseed on them such that you have the reserved space there. (wondering if that would be easier than doing it with the actual debian installer) |
| 17:16.07 | Woet | somiaj: that would be possible, but currently my preseed is working on all machines except those with 2 TB disks |
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| 17:16.42 | Woet | somiaj: would be a shame having to rewrite it just to be able to partition them. preseed most likely can manage it, but i'm having trouble finding out what to replace 'ext3' with |
| 17:16.50 | Woet | it isnt 'bios', so im not sure what else i could try |
| 17:17.11 | somiaj | maybe 'none' for no filesystem on the partition? |
| 17:17.25 | Woet | but it needs a "reserved space for bios" file system |
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| 17:17.30 | Woet | it's in the list at the installer |
| 17:17.42 | Woet | ext3, ext4, gfs, ufs, swap, software raid and "reserved space for bios" |
| 17:17.49 | Woet | but im not sure how to refer to it in the preseed |
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| 17:19.01 | Woet | "reserved bios boot area", sorry |
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| 17:19.58 | Woet | somiaj: i think i found it in the source, "biosgrub" - trying now |
| 17:20.22 | somiaj | Woet: nice work...(: |
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| 17:21.48 | An_Ony_Moose | I seem to be missing the spcdec element from gstreamer-plugins-bad! Isn't it in the package? |
| 17:23.17 | jhutchins | Woet: Pretty cool. We have a couple of guys in our LUG who admin hosting companies. |
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| 17:23.58 | jhutchins | I think one of 'em works for RackSpace, every few months he'll try to recruit somebody to go to Dallas or Houston or wherever he is in Texas. |
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| 17:24.12 | Woet | jhutchins: any big ones? |
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| 17:24.48 | jhutchins | Other than the Texas guy, no, relatively small. |
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| 17:26.28 | baccenfutter | My freshly installed Wheezy on TP x200 with Intel Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 will not let me unset hard and soft rfkill. I installed the iwlangn firmware and rfkill. `rfkill list` lists my interface with both rfkill switches set to yes. the LED is not lit, Fn+F5 will not make it lit. |
| 17:26.36 | baccenfutter | how do I approach this? |
| 17:28.21 | Woet | somiaj: odd, 'biosgrub' claims a device name, /dev/sda1 |
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| 17:28.38 | jhutchins | baccenfutter: Did it work in squeeze? |
| 17:28.57 | baccenfutter | jhutchins: didn't have squeeze installed. this is a frsh blank new laptop |
| 17:29.13 | jhutchins | baccenfutter: Why testing then? Why not stable? |
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| 17:29.46 | baccenfutter | jhutchins: because that is exactly what this' laptops purpose is - dedicated testing |
| 17:30.06 | jhutchins | baccenfutter: You should have stable on it as well then so you can compare and see what's specific to testing. |
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| 17:30.36 | baccenfutter | jhutchins: it only has 64GB space |
| 17:31.15 | jhutchins | baccenfutter: An install should only take up 4-6G. I had one about that big that I partitioned for four different installs. |
| 17:31.57 | baccenfutter | jhutchins: so you are saying, I will have to install a complete seperate version of debian, just to figure out why my wifi ain't working? that sounds a little oversized to me... |
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| 17:32.40 | Woet | baccenfutter: "so you can compare and see what's specific to testing." |
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| 17:33.20 | Woet | baccenfutter: you want to test testing, so you need to compare stable/testing, see what's specific to testing and file bugs about that |
| 17:33.38 | themill | baccenfutter: have you double checked the bios settings for that device? I've seen some screwy settings in the past where Fn+F5 was toggling bluetooth and not actually doing anything to the wireless. |
| 17:33.59 | baccenfutter | themill: thanks, I'll check that |
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| 17:34.42 | themill | baccenfutter: does dmesg say anything about the device? How about when you modprobe -r / modprobe the module? |
| 17:34.45 | Woet | baccenfutter: if it's going to be dedicated to testing debian, it would be very useful to run stable/testing side by side |
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| 17:35.28 | jhutchins | baccenfutter: Do you have something that's interpreting the function key? The hotkey package for the thinkpad? |
| 17:35.35 | babilen | baccenfutter: Check that your the hardware kill switch is off and run "rkill unblock all" -- does that do the trick? |
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| 17:37.10 | baccenfutter | themill: modprobing works fine, dmesg tells me "Operation not permitted due to missing rfkill something" during boot time, `rfkill list` lists bot switches set to yes (as in blocked). I don't have any thinkpad package installed, I'll cgeck that in a second. bios seems fine to me. |
| 17:37.40 | baccenfutter | ... and my typing today sucks |
| 17:38.57 | babilen | baccenfutter: Heh, so does mine. The hardware kill switch is in the right position and "rfkill unblock all" or more specifically "rfkill unblock wifi" does not unblock it? What is the "missing rfkill something" message exactly? |
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| 17:39.39 | debian | 18:39:21 <debian> stupid bot |
| 17:39.39 | debian | 18:39:22 <dpkg> no, stupid debian |
| 17:39.44 | debian | lolololol |
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| 17:40.41 | baccenfutter | babilen: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
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| 17:41.33 | baccenfutter | as far as the LED is not lit, I find it sane to not get wifi working. the question is, how to turn off hardware rfkill |
| 17:41.33 | Woet | stupid bot |
| 17:41.38 | Woet | aww |
| 17:41.52 | nyuszika7h | Woet: /msg dpkg stupid bot |
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| 17:44.25 | somiaj | baccenfutter: hardware rfkill is a switch on the laptop. |
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| 17:45.10 | baccenfutter | somiaj: which should be Fn+F5 which does exactly nothing. Fn+F1 hwoever locks my screen, so I am assuming it has nothing to do with the function keys |
| 17:45.11 | babilen | baccenfutter: You don't have a hardware kill switch on your laptop? (an actual physical switch) |
| 17:45.25 | babilen | Not entirely sure about the x200 though |
| 17:45.42 | baccenfutter | gnah |
| 17:46.10 | valdyn | some keys on thinkpads just emit acpi events that you (or some software) need to bridge to the actual function |
| 17:46.15 | baccenfutter | funny isn't it... as soon as you do it right... it works. |
| 17:46.23 | babilen | baccenfutter: Something like http://yehar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/switchout.jpg |
| 17:46.58 | baccenfutter | I apologize for wasting your time folks. there is another actual hw switch to the left of the x200 |
| 17:47.04 | babilen | hehe |
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| 17:47.42 | jhutchins | baccenfutter: Well YAY! At least you found it! |
| 17:47.49 | valdyn | babilen: theres also a setting in /proc/acpi where you can mask or unmask those keys from their function and make or unmake the function softwaer controlled |
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| 17:48.03 | babilen | baccenfutter: time for "Backenfutter" I guess ;) |
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| 17:51.42 | intel352 | hola debianites. I'm attempting to make a package debian-compliant, anyone have any tips/examples when altering source to change file path references, for instance? dealing with c/c++, I'd think the use of constants to replace hard-coded references would be great, but I'm not sure what's available within the realm of c/c++ and automake, etc. |
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| 17:52.41 | OldParr | i installed live-manual but i can not see the manual anywhere, where is it? |
| 17:53.48 | jhutchins | OldParr: dpkg -L live-manual |
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| 18:09.42 | zymurgy | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/how_to_get_technical_support.jpg |
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| 18:11.05 | sieson | I have 2 TB internal HDD and a 500 GB internal HDD. On the 500 GB one I have windows installed (NTFS) and the 2TB one is NTFS too. My problem is that only the 2TB is visible in Debian. I have checked /dev/sda(s) and the windows drive is not there. Any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 18:13.09 | petemc | sieson: as root, fdisk -l |
| 18:13.45 | sieson | petemc: I've done that already and the windows drive is not there |
| 18:14.22 | sieson | petemc: Also I have an SSD drive too which debian is installed on |
| 18:14.38 | petemc | sieson: is the drive visible in the bios ? |
| 18:14.51 | dspider | post the output of "fdisk -l" |
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| 18:15.22 | sieson | petemc: yes its visible there, also in windows partition manager recognizes all the drives |
| 18:16.22 | sieson | dspider: http://pastebin.com/fn3NZXHA |
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| 18:17.50 | dspider | sieson, says there you only have 2 drives |
| 18:18.02 | dspider | 2 TB and 32 GB |
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| 18:18.25 | dspider | fdisk doesn't see your 500 GB HDD |
| 18:18.43 | dspider | or maybe you didn't pasted the whole output |
| 18:18.44 | sieson | dspider: well thats not true. I have 3 drives the one not displayed is the 500 GB which windows is on. It has 2 partitions and works. |
| 18:19.09 | sieson | dspider: I must also say during the installation process it was visible. |
| 18:19.13 | dspider | are you sure it's not disabled from the BIOS? |
| 18:19.34 | sieson | dspider: I am sure because if that was the case I couldnt load windows |
| 18:19.36 | dspider | have you messed around in the BIOS lately? |
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| 18:19.43 | sieson | nope |
| 18:20.06 | sieson | dspider: the weird thing is that it was visible during installation |
| 18:20.29 | dspider | fdisk is a very stable program |
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| 18:20.52 | dspider | must be the HDD |
| 18:20.56 | valdyn | sieson: is the not found disk on a seperate disk controller? |
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| 18:21.13 | sieson | valdyn: yes |
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| 18:21.30 | valdyn | sieson: is the driver for that controller loaded? |
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| 18:22.17 | sieson | valdyn: I am not sure, how can I check that? |
| 18:22.51 | valdyn | sieson: run "lspci -k", you should see hardware description in clear text and a "kernel driver in use: foo" for most things listed |
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| 18:24.11 | sieson | valdyn: here is the output http://pastebin.com/RskTedQY , I dont know what to look for. |
| 18:24.47 | valdyn | sieson: 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller #1 is one disk controller |
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| 18:25.12 | valdyn | sieson: 01:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 918a (rev 11) is another - and no driver for it is loaded |
| 18:25.24 | acidnuk | hello guys |
| 18:25.39 | valdyn | sieson: i would say thats the one your not-found disk is on |
| 18:26.23 | valdyn | sieson: and in total i see 3 disk controllers, 2 driven by ata_piix and that marvell controller without a driver loaded |
| 18:26.29 | acidnuk | how can i allow a user to use ssh connection plz |
| 18:26.34 | sieson | valdyn: right, that makes sense. But how come no driver for it is loaded? any idea how i can resolve this? |
| 18:26.52 | valdyn | sieson: 1) figure out which kernel supports it if any |
| 18:27.19 | kenon | Does anybody have triple head working in xorg on Debian? I've tried several combinations of dual head and single head cards (that all work alone) and I'm wondering if there is some combination I can just buy. |
| 18:27.30 | valdyn | sieson: thats done by getting the pci id and looking up a database, get the pci id by running just "lspci -n" and getting the entry at 01:00.0 |
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| 18:28.46 | sieson | valdyn: right, I will do that. Does connecting it the hard drive to another SATA port help? |
| 18:29.03 | valdyn | sieson: sure, that would fix your issue too |
| 18:29.21 | valdyn | sieson: but it will most certainly break windows if its on that disk |
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| 18:29.56 | sieson | valdyn: sounds good, I will try that before doing anything else. Broken windows is not unusual. Thanks for the help. |
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| 18:30.42 | valdyn | sieson: broken windows means you need to reinstall unless you know windows internals |
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| 18:31.09 | dspider | I don't think you need to reinstall, no |
| 18:31.11 | valdyn | sieson: and that in turn will break your boot manager - doesnt seem to be easy unless you dont need windows |
| 18:31.23 | valdyn | dspider: most people will |
| 18:31.30 | dspider | not if the MBR belongs to grub |
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| 18:31.37 | sieson | valdyn: yeah thats ok, I dont have anything on windows yet. |
| 18:31.40 | valdyn | dspider: but this is not a windows support channel so im not going beyond that |
| 18:31.47 | valdyn | dspider: no, thats not true |
| 18:32.24 | valdyn | dspider: in case you missed that im talking about reinstalling windows when you change the drivers it needs to boot up |
| 18:32.43 | dspider | the boot manager (usually grub/grub2), can use UUID's instead of /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc |
| 18:33.05 | valdyn | dspider: ok, 3rd time, im talking about reinstalling *windows* not debian |
| 18:33.08 | dspider | so switching SATA ports shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:33.21 | Cerise | hi there. my system always hangs up when i unplug my external hdd. what might be the problem? |
| 18:33.36 | dspider | I see |
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| 18:34.22 | dspider | try updating your system |
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| 18:35.33 | dspider | because it could be a libusb issue |
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| 18:35.39 | dspider | are you part of the storage group? |
| 18:35.52 | dspider | run "groups cerise" |
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| 18:36.32 | steph7 | why zcat /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz > ~/.conkyrc says "gzip.....no such file or directory"? |
| 18:36.46 | Cerise | dspider, i'm not in the storage group |
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| 18:37.54 | dspider | gpasswd -a yourusername storage |
| 18:38.58 | dspider | and logout |
| 18:39.04 | dspider | then log back in |
| 18:39.34 | Cerise | um, actually, there is no storage group |
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| 18:41.13 | jhutchins | When you add a user to the sudo group, do you have to log out and log back in on your X session for it to take effect? |
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| 18:41.43 | Tuinslak | no |
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| 18:42.23 | dspider | no, not out of the X session |
| 18:42.28 | dspider | you need to kill x |
| 18:42.31 | dspider | pkill x |
| 18:42.31 | jhutchins | I thought the syntax was adduser <user> <group>... |
| 18:42.37 | dspider | (or exit it, whatever) |
| 18:42.49 | dspider | meaning you drop to CLI (command-line interface) |
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| 18:43.06 | jhutchins | ... or go back to the DM. |
| 18:43.07 | dspider | you run "logout" and then you log back in |
| 18:43.47 | dspider | if you just drop to the login manager... I'm not sure it will work |
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| 18:43.52 | dspider | I don't use a login manager |
| 18:43.57 | OldParr | i am triying to create a live image with live-build but i can not find on docs any information about making an image of a desired size, is it possible to know the size in advance before building the image? |
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| 18:44.40 | dspider | image of what? |
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| 18:44.52 | dspider | ISO image? |
| 18:45.12 | dspider | fdisk -l |
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| 18:46.13 | dspider | Cerise: groupadd storage |
| 18:46.27 | OldParr | dspider:live image |
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| 18:47.01 | dspider | Cerise: to list all groups on the system run "cat /etc/group" |
| 18:47.45 | dspider | live image of an installed distro? |
| 18:49.03 | OldParr | dspider: to build a live CD |
| 18:49.27 | dspider | ok, but from what? |
| 18:49.30 | dspider | peanuts? |
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| 18:50.26 | k6ORJ | can't get grub to work after install. HELP? |
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| 18:51.49 | dspider | k6ORJ, can you upload the contents of "sudo fddisk -l" and "blkid" to pastebin.com? |
| 18:52.20 | dspider | what are you trying to boot with grub? |
| 18:52.33 | dspider | debian? windows? |
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| 18:53.54 | dspider | sudo fdisk -l |
| 18:53.56 | dspider | sorry |
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| 18:54.59 | k6ORJ | boot debian but it gave me an error on install of debian. and now I get a black screen with a the word grub front of the cursor |
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| 18:56.18 | k6ORJ | 64 bit AMD dual boot debian and Win7 |
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| 18:56.39 | jhutchins | k6ORJ: Grub install didn't go right. Did you use LVM, or are you using RAID or encryption? |
| 18:56.49 | jhutchins | k6ORJ: Anything unusual about the system? |
| 18:56.59 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 18:56.59 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 18:58.32 | k6ORJ | no used the same partitions that I used on the old system formatting all except the home folder. |
| 18:59.23 | dspider | grub shouldn't drop to console mode |
| 18:59.42 | dspider | it probably wasn't installed properly during the install |
| 18:59.56 | k6ORJ | ok let me try. |
| 19:00.36 | dspider | I hope you're using UUID's instead of /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc |
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| 19:01.16 | k6ORJ | Hugh UUID |
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| 19:02.11 | k6ORJ | don't know how to use them |
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| 19:02.30 | dspider | in the menu.lst (or grub.cfg if you're using GRUB2) |
| 19:02.36 | dspider | uuid's are much more precise |
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| 19:03.00 | k6ORJ | grub2 |
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| 19:04.00 | simonlnu | !uuid |
| 19:04.01 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 19:22.01 | sacredchao | I upgraded Chromium web browser to version 15.0.874.106 in sid on multiple machines, and the ability for the browser to access web pages is destroyed |
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| 19:30.57 | jelly-home | sacredchao: so have you filed a bug report? |
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| 19:31.22 | sacredchao | jelly-home: No, I don't have working e-mail server atm |
| 19:31.28 | sacredchao | Do I need e-mail to file a report, right? |
| 19:32.02 | jelly-home | sacredchao: first, check BTS for an already existing report. If there is none, use reportbug |
| 19:32.16 | jelly-home | sacredchao: the tool can be configured to send the report directly |
| 19:32.24 | jelly-home | !tell sacredchao about reportbug |
| 19:32.29 | jelly-home | !tell sacredchao about bts |
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| 19:33.03 | kleanchap | I want to install Perl CPAN modules for all users. How do I do this? |
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| 19:34.11 | demooriaan | chromium bug already reported |
| 19:34.14 | sacredchao | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647992 |
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| 19:34.31 | sacredchao | demooriaan: That's the one I speak of? It doesn't say "aw snap" for me because my Debian is not in English |
| 19:34.38 | sacredchao | But it looks the same bug I think |
| 19:34.38 | demooriaan | yes |
| 19:34.53 | petemc | kleanchap: checked if the modules are available as debian packages? |
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| 19:35.22 | babilen | sacredchao: You don't necessarily need your own SMTP server as reportbug will happily use Debian's. Just run it with "--smtphost=reportbug.debian.org" or configure it permanently when you run "reportbug --configure" |
| 19:35.28 | demooriaan | google chrome (same versio number) has not that bug |
| 19:36.10 | sacredchao | demooriaan: I don't want to run Chrome, though. Is this a problem with Chromium itself or Debian's compilation/packaging of Chromium 15? |
| 19:36.38 | babilen | sacredchao: Just curious, but what is the error message you get instead of "Aw, snap!" ? |
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| 19:36.43 | sacredchao | babilen: INteresting... so what would my e-mail address show up as? I can make a username of my choosing @reportbug.debian.org ? |
| 19:37.01 | demooriaan | seemes that it was already in 14.x (at least for backports) |
| 19:37.22 | demooriaan | but not found here on 14.x |
| 19:37.59 | demooriaan | as gollgechrome has not that bug (or it is not visible) maybe packaging |
| 19:38.00 | sacredchao | ¡Oh, no! "Se ha producio un error al mostrar esta página web. Para continuar, vuelve a cargar la página o accede a otra." |
| 19:38.05 | babilen | sacredchao: You still provide a valid email address -- Just run through the configure script. (it will, for example, use the REPORTBUGEMAIL, EMAIL and DEBEMAIL environment variabled) |
| 19:39.03 | sacredchao | demooriaan: I had no problems with 14 on my multiple sid machines... and all my sid machines failed upon upgrading to 15 and then now I reverted one BACK to 14 in testing and it works again |
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| 19:39.14 | sacredchao | I tried downgrading to 14 on this machine but it still has the same error. |
| 19:39.22 | sacredchao | Still trying to figure out the difference |
| 19:39.44 | sacredchao | My chromium-l10n was not downgraded, so maybe the problem is there |
| 19:39.57 | sacredchao | (but it was downgraded okay on the machine that has 14 working again) |
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| 19:41.34 | babilen | sacredchao: Please read the bug report |
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| 19:53.03 | bolt | any way to use dhcp and at the same time override the default gateway? |
| 19:53.41 | bolt | i want this box to get its ip, nameserver and all that other stuff from dhcp, but i want to use another gateway than the one the dhcp server gives me |
| 19:54.15 | bolt | i know i can change it with "route", but then it will revert whenever dhcp renews the ip, wont it? |
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| 19:54.38 | jordanm | when a package Depends on something that is Provided by multiple packages, how does apt decide which package to install? |
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| 19:57.48 | bolt | ah. |
| 19:57.57 | bolt | found dhclient.conf "supersede" keyword |
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| 20:03.44 | kristian-aalborg | that's unexpected... my custom kernel boots into a black screen, but it sounds like it is actually working |
| 20:03.58 | kristian-aalborg | I hear the soundcard get turned on |
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| 20:06.21 | kristian-aalborg | all I did was messing around with PM settings |
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| 20:19.35 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; partition manager? private message? post mortem? |
| 20:19.58 | kristian-aalborg | pre-menstrual |
| 20:20.38 | kristian-aalborg | no, power management... I disabled ACPI and enabled APM |
| 20:20.55 | kristian-aalborg | I have gotten it to boot now, via disabling the video settings |
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| 20:31.16 | ozst | petemc: thanks! |
| 20:31.23 | Jaghnat | What package contains the command update-java-alternatives? |
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| 20:31.42 | kristian-aalborg | still no workie on powerdown... I can modprobe apm, but lsmod can't see it |
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| 20:35.48 | ring0` | Hi. Mysql used over 90% of cpu (not memory!) am I able somehow to determine what was so deadly? Could that be php ? or rather some software -- what is more possible in your opinion? |
| 20:36.15 | cheako | Hello, I just read something interesting in the kernel comments about saving and restoring the entropy pool. In the example scripts /var/run/random-seed is used, but I can't find this file on my system. |
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| 20:37.04 | cheako | Are there stratup and shutdown scripts in Debian to perform this action? |
| 20:37.19 | detha | ring0: show full processlist (in mysql) when it is pegging the CPU |
| 20:37.38 | cheako | http://j.mp/rM7UJA |
| 20:37.46 | cheako | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/char/random.c;h=63e19ba56bbea5a12ee784f023bd13a758eaf611;hb=HEAD#l154 |
| 20:37.57 | ring0` | detha: ahh, i rebooted the machine since it was just unaccessable |
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| 20:40.55 | Dunedan | Does somebody know how to configure grub2 to use a different location than /boot/grub? |
| 20:41.06 | detha | ring0`, alas, unless you had query logging on no way to determine it. If it happens frequently, you can start mysqld with '--general-log-file=/var/log/query.log' (don't do that on a production machine, it's not good for performance), to see what queries are running |
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| 20:42.20 | ring0` | detha: Actually no, it was first time it happened but the only changes I did were in web app, but I doubt that it could generate such shitload of queries to make 4GHz cpu got overfilled. |
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| 20:43.44 | detha | ring0`, It can. I managed it the other day by hitting a bug in the optimizer, with /exactly/ the right number of joins |
| 20:43.55 | ring0` | oho |
| 20:44.00 | ring0` | actually joins were frequent |
| 20:44.12 | ring0` | maybe it's time to upgrade mysql version |
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| 20:45.17 | detha | dunno, that particular bug still seems to be open. Not easy to reproduce, as it depends not only on the schema, but also on how many records are in each table |
| 20:45.38 | ring0` | do you have any link to reference? |
| 20:45.47 | ring0` | I would say fuck my life if accidentally I reproduced it |
| 20:46.11 | boudiccas | ring0`; please dont swear, its not necessary |
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| 20:47.03 | detha | http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=26339 |
| 20:47.38 | sauvin | I've been given to understand that foul language is not strictly discouraged in this channel. |
| 20:47.53 | ompaul | nor is it encouraged :) |
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| 20:48.13 | ring0` | oho |
| 20:48.43 | ring0` | thanks detha I will compare it as soon as I get access back. |
| 20:49.30 | sauvin | "Not encouraged" I interpret as meaning "Kindly show a bit of restraint". |
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| 21:00.34 | oszt | Hi, has wine been packaged for wheezy? |
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| 21:02.38 | filePeter | oszt: http://packages.debian.org/sid/wine |
| 21:03.05 | oszt | filePeter: thanks. would that work in wheezy? |
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| 21:12.51 | ompaul | oszt: you could try it, but remember you are mixing different versions which don't exactly match up, however I have heard that it does do /msg dpkg ssb and it might help some |
| 21:13.51 | rly | How can I map a file to a package name if I don't have apt-file? |
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| 21:14.20 | rly | So, only basic apt-get, dpkg, etc. |
| 21:14.23 | valdyn | rly: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 21:14.59 | jelly-home | oszt: wineo packages in Debian are horribly old. |
| 21:15.06 | jelly-home | wine, too |
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| 21:15.43 | jerware | linux is faililng. |
| 21:15.54 | jerware | when I jump around vlc it crashes. |
| 21:15.57 | jerware | epic fail. |
| 21:16.01 | valdyn | jerware: ok, but dont tell us |
| 21:16.09 | e20100633 | excuse me, what it is used in wheezy to change console (tty) resolution? (already tried the gfxpayload thing in grub but obviously, there's something else that fix the resolution) |
| 21:16.33 | jerware | when I skip ahead in vlc. it crashes. |
| 21:16.47 | jerware | this is a brand new movie dvd. |
| 21:16.52 | valdyn | jerware: in debian/stable ? |
| 21:16.53 | jelly-home | jerware: file a bug for the package, /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 21:17.58 | valdyn | e20100633: are you using X too? |
| 21:18.21 | e20100633 | valdyn: no, I'm not, but I'm sorry I just noticed the topic, I should ask my question on #debian-next |
| 21:19.22 | e20100633 | oh, it's a +i channel... then, I'll stick here |
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| 21:19.40 | Shadowcat | hey guys |
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| 21:19.59 | Shadowcat | is there a way to access a physical partition without being root? |
| 21:20.05 | jerware | fuck the bug report. I'll just buy a REAL dvd player. |
| 21:20.07 | oszt | ompaul: ok, thanks for the advice |
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| 21:20.19 | e20100633 | well, I don't think the tty resolution is related with X actually; at first I thought that I could customize my resoltion from grub (with the now deprecated vga= option) |
| 21:20.25 | valdyn | e20100633: ok, whatever, whats your gfx chip vendor? |
| 21:20.28 | oszt | jelly-home allright. need it to run a specific program, though, so I'll give it a try |
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| 21:21.30 | valdyn | e20100633: its not related to X, but X can break the feature |
| 21:21.31 | e20100633 | valdyn: I've got a Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 21:21.36 | e20100633 | valdyn: oh ok |
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| 21:21.44 | e20100633 | s/got a/got an/ |
| 21:21.52 | jelly-home | RAGEQUIT! |
| 21:21.55 | valdyn | e20100633: "modprobe i915" should give you some higher res mode |
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| 21:22.05 | Shadowcat | slaps jelly-home |
| 21:22.09 | Shadowcat | long time no see |
| 21:22.17 | e20100633 | valdyn: yeah actually I'm in 1024x768 right now, but I need 800x600 |
| 21:22.31 | Daviey | Is packages.debian.org known to be really behind? |
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| 21:22.44 | jelly-home | e20100633: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net, not here |
| 21:22.45 | jerware | video output: xv, device: /dev/dvd. smplayer too is failing to play. whats the excuse for not working out of the box? |
| 21:22.48 | LSymonds | e20100633, edit your xorg.conf file and force the resolution. |
| 21:22.53 | valdyn | e20100633: ok, your system is read to switch modes, but i have to look up how |
| 21:22.55 | boudiccas | Daviey; behind what? |
| 21:23.00 | e20100633 | jerware: oh ok, I thought it was on freenode, thanks |
| 21:23.05 | e20100633 | LSymonds: I'm not using X |
| 21:23.05 | valdyn | LSymonds: no one is talking about X right now |
| 21:23.08 | Daviey | boudiccas: hosting changelogs |
| 21:23.24 | emorris | Hi, I'm running Squeeze wanting to develop a (GUI) application using Python 3; but some of the packages etc are only available in testing/sid. Basically I'm thinking the best way is to run sid somehow. I've tried Virtualbox and QEMU, but they both crash when the Squeeze installer tries to partition. Another option is chroot, but will this work for X apps? Or is there a better way? |
| 21:23.25 | Daviey | boudiccas: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs |
| 21:23.35 | e20100633 | valdyn: ok maybe you can just give me a keyword, and I'll search by myself |
| 21:23.36 | jerware | e20100633: linux is full of fail today. |
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| 21:23.55 | nkuttler | emorris: can't you just use virtualenv? |
| 21:23.56 | astruasdh | please, what is ar package name? |
| 21:24.34 | e20100633 | valdyn: I noticed that debian is switching to 1024x768 after populating /dev; I've search in /etc/init.d what could do that, but without success... |
| 21:24.34 | valdyn | e20100633: yea, Im looking that up right now. Most info you will easily find is only about X |
| 21:24.41 | nkuttler | !tell astruasdh about search |
| 21:24.56 | astruasdh | search returns me all the packages in the world |
| 21:24.56 | valdyn | e20100633: loading i915 does that, its loaded automatically it seems |
| 21:25.01 | Daviey | astruasdh: binutils |
| 21:25.04 | e20100633 | valdyn: yeah I didn't find anything but the gfxpayload option for grub, which is not working |
| 21:25.17 | astruasdh | thanks |
| 21:25.19 | astruasdh | :) |
| 21:25.25 | e20100633 | valdyn: hum ok, I should get option for this module then I guess |
| 21:25.27 | jelly-home | jerware: please try to be constructive and stick to technical issues. Your approach is not likely to get you decent help. |
| 21:25.27 | valdyn | e20100633: try fbset |
| 21:25.30 | nkuttler | astruasdh: read what the bot told you |
| 21:25.41 | Daviey | astruasdh: for future, $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/ar |
| 21:25.46 | valdyn | e20100633: yes, thats another way, the video= boot parameter is also documented |
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| 21:26.03 | astruasdh | thanks! |
| 21:26.18 | emorris | nkuttler, Thanks, I'm looking at that now. But this will mean I have to build everything myself? (SIP, PyQt etc) SIP seems a real pain to compile... |
| 21:26.30 | astruasdh | !tell astruasdh about search |
| 21:26.54 | nkuttler | emorris: i'm not familiar with all of that, but building yourself sounds like a good option. see also /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 21:28.26 | niks | hih all |
| 21:28.31 | jerware | jelly-home: i said I'm using xv, and /dev/dvd. wouldn't the logical defaults to play a dvd when you put a dvd in the drive? Thats what happens in windows. |
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| 21:28.59 | niks | I installed lxde sid on my eepc but after boot no GUI |
| 21:29.07 | un214 | when's a good time to upgrade to testing? |
| 21:29.08 | niks | what do I type to start it ? |
| 21:29.18 | jerware | what the hell is devnav////dev/dvd ? |
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| 21:29.31 | jerware | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.40 | valdyn | e20100633: fbset should work anyway, video= should work as a boot parameter aswell |
| 21:29.49 | un214 | jerware: are you sure you don't mean dvdnav:///dev/dvd? |
| 21:29.50 | nkuttler | niks: usually you select the session in your display manager |
| 21:30.04 | jerware | thats what I said. |
| 21:30.18 | jerware | what do I have to type to play a fricken dvd |
| 21:30.25 | un214 | which player? |
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| 21:30.30 | emorris | jerware, one less slash |
| 21:30.32 | valdyn | jerware: mplayer dvd:// |
| 21:30.33 | niks | what display manger |
| 21:30.35 | jerware | i don't care. I just wanna watch transformers. |
| 21:30.37 | quiznilo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=241343 ? |
| 21:30.44 | jerware | they all failed. vlc, smplayer |
| 21:30.44 | niks | just got the bash screen |
| 21:30.52 | nkuttler | !tell jerware about errors |
| 21:31.11 | nkuttler | niks: so you don't have a dm installed? do you have xorg? |
| 21:31.16 | valdyn | jerware: we cannot help you if you do not give us the actual errors |
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| 21:31.24 | niks | ok |
| 21:31.26 | jerware | it just crashes. there is no errormessage. |
| 21:31.41 | valdyn | jerware: Im pretty sure that mplayer does not just crash |
| 21:31.44 | niks | install lxde from stick using aproved way |
| 21:31.44 | nkuttler | jerware: launch the players from the command line |
| 21:31.46 | jerware | err vlc crashes, mplayer just fails. |
| 21:31.46 | jelly-home | jerware: cvlc will give you more output. |
| 21:31.57 | niks | graphic option dos not work |
| 21:32.00 | quiznilo | what better way to say "We're a bunch of assholes!" than that bug report? |
| 21:32.00 | valdyn | jerware: mplayer just gives a useful error message you mean |
| 21:32.08 | un214 | I've had mplayer hang for a bloody long time on a damaged dvd |
| 21:32.21 | niks | use text / expert mehtod |
| 21:32.23 | nkuttler | he probably clicked some icon somewhere |
| 21:32.25 | jerware | valdyn: no error message with mplayer. it jsut sits there like a vegtable. |
| 21:32.28 | jelly-home | quiznilo: Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 |
| 21:32.35 | nkuttler | !tell niks about install x |
| 21:32.40 | quiznilo | I saw the date |
| 21:32.40 | niks | all installed reboots fine but only to promt |
| 21:32.40 | valdyn | jerware: no it doesnt "just sit there", geez |
| 21:32.41 | un214 | how many minutes did you wait jerware? |
| 21:32.48 | valdyn | jerware: gives us the output till where it hangs |
| 21:32.50 | jerware | vlc crashes, mplayer sits there like a vegtbale. |
| 21:33.03 | quiznilo | and it's still on the bugzilla |
| 21:33.34 | un214 | humor me. let it run 10 minutes and report what sounds you hear from the dvd drive |
| 21:33.44 | niks | for the record I have a eeepc 4g and have tried to install every single sid version and none work |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn | quiznilo: thats a funny bug report |
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| 21:34.17 | niks | all other distros that use debian do work |
| 21:34.26 | kleanchap | are there any good day planner type application in Gnome? |
| 21:34.32 | valdyn | niks: sid is not supported here |
| 21:35.01 | niks | as in not on this chat site ? |
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| 21:36.22 | niks | I'm confussed what is this site for ??? |
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| 21:36.25 | valdyn | niks: as in not in this channel |
| 21:36.29 | niks | ok |
| 21:36.30 | babilen | !tell jerware -about dvd playback |
| 21:37.05 | niks | well all I want to know is how to start the desktop as in ie startx ? |
| 21:37.08 | e20100633 | valdyn: okay thank you very much :) |
| 21:37.12 | niks | but where do I go then ? |
| 21:37.25 | Mogget | I have a Squeeze server which has terrible upload speeds but terrific download speed. 8MBps down vs. 300KB up. Anyone have an idea of what it can be? |
| 21:37.26 | babilen | jerware: You most likely have to install libdvdcss -- Do you get any error messages from either vlc or mplayer? |
| 21:37.49 | valdyn | niks: maybe #debian-next on oftc |
| 21:37.50 | niks | oh sorry it's not sid is but squeeze| |
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| 21:38.05 | niks | well both start with S |
| 21:38.17 | niks | why not just call it 6 ???? |
| 21:38.25 | valdyn | niks: ok, before you can "startx" you probably need to install X |
| 21:38.33 | niks | ok thx |
| 21:38.33 | jbrks | lol |
| 21:38.33 | valdyn | niks: youre free to call it 6 |
| 21:38.45 | jbrks | that makes sense |
| 21:38.54 | niks | thats of use :) |
| 21:39.03 | valdyn | <- captain obvious |
| 21:39.09 | niks | why is it not in there to be gain with ? |
| 21:39.18 | jerware | I already have libdvdcss. |
| 21:39.18 | niks | and do I need to use apt-get ? |
| 21:39.23 | valdyn | niks: yes |
| 21:39.25 | jbrks | thinks niks then behaves like Nick Burns |
| 21:39.32 | valdyn | niks: its not there because its not required to run debian |
| 21:39.42 | niks | well I hope I'm not getting burnt |
| 21:39.46 | babilen | jerware: And you drive and dvd agree on the region? |
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| 21:39.50 | un214 | when's a good time to upgrade to testing? |
| 21:39.52 | jerware | libdvdcss-1.2.10 |
| 21:39.54 | valdyn | niks: "apt-get install xorg" |
| 21:40.01 | valdyn | un214: never |
| 21:40.09 | babilen | jerware: Try libdvdcss2 |
| 21:40.10 | boudiccas | un214; 2330 |
| 21:40.17 | jerware | babilen: what the region ? |
| 21:40.20 | ompaul | un214: if you have to ask ... |
| 21:40.25 | niks | ok good anwsers thankyou |
| 21:40.34 | jerware | what does that matter ? |
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| 21:40.41 | valdyn | niks: uh, eeepc, watch your diskspace... |
| 21:40.43 | un214 | I found the answer had better not be until testing becomes stable |
| 21:40.53 | un214 | otherwise by that point bugs I encounter _don't get fixed_ |
| 21:40.55 | jelly-home | jerware: yeah, it matters. |
| 21:41.05 | niks | Still find it odd that you finstall a version to use LXDE but there is no way to start it with out installing x? |
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| 21:41.16 | valdyn | un214: well, from that point of view, the best time is yesterday ;) |
| 21:41.23 | nkuttler | niks: you don't need xorg installed to use lxde |
| 21:41.23 | jbrks | un214, so run testing in vmware/virtualbox if you want.. but use reportbug of course |
| 21:41.37 | valdyn | nkuttler: come on... |
| 21:41.42 | babilen | jerware: Most DVDs are restricted to a specific region. That region can be hardcoded in the drives hardware (you can set it with regionset) or enforced by software. The latter is typically not done by linux. Note that you can only change the hw region up to 5 times and that you can only flash regionfree firmware (if that exists for your drive) if you have *never* set the region. |
| 21:41.56 | nkuttler | valdyn: what? |
| 21:41.57 | niks | so how do I start lxde ? |
| 21:42.03 | jerware | what a pain in the balls. In windows all I have to do is put the damn disk in. |
| 21:42.11 | jerware | fuck it. |
| 21:42.14 | kleanchap | By accident I removed a USB drive. Now when I plug it back in, it is not mounting or no desktop icon etc. How do I reset this automount feature so that it recognizes this disk? I don't want to reboot right now. |
| 21:42.15 | valdyn | nkuttler: im trying to make this easy, not to tweak for low space usage |
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| 21:42.27 | jbrks | says libdvdcss can't decode all dvds either |
| 21:42.31 | nkuttler | valdyn: well good luck |
| 21:42.37 | un214 | kleanchap: umount -l |
| 21:43.15 | boudiccas | jerware; please dont swear, its not necesary |
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| 21:43.18 | valdyn | jerware: just use windows, doesnt bother us |
| 21:43.42 | babilen | jerware: Please relax and refrain from cursing. If using windows is easier for you right now I would suggest to boot it and enjoy the movie. We are trying to help you and invest our free time. Please respect that and work with us on the issue. |
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| 21:44.21 | jbrks | jerware, or run dvdshrink in virtualbox/Windows and then bring the remade video back into linux :) |
| 21:44.28 | valdyn | niks: you need to install lxde too, X does not include it |
| 21:44.31 | niks | <valdyn> yes I am being very careful with diskspace which is why I want to use the hybrid but alas it just won't install |
| 21:44.56 | jbrks | jerware, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvdshrink :) |
| 21:45.19 | jelly-home | jbrks: dvdshrink works, or worked, well in wine as well |
| 21:45.27 | valdyn | niks: ok, xorg is a package that pulls X, completely, but that does not include any desktop environment, that would be "apt-get install lxde" on top |
| 21:45.30 | jbrks | jelly-home, thanks |
| 21:45.40 | jelly-home | jbrks: but I had a region-free disc |
| 21:45.42 | jerware | maybe I'll get a mac. |
| 21:45.55 | Jimmy_Kash | never say that jerware |
| 21:45.57 | jbrks | jelly-home, oh.. |
| 21:46.00 | Jimmy_Kash | not even as a joke |
| 21:46.01 | boudiccas | jerware; its your choice, it doesnt bother us |
| 21:46.05 | valdyn | I never had a problem with libdvdcss except when it was missing |
| 21:46.10 | jerware | at least I would have to bust my balls for trivial stuf. |
| 21:46.20 | jerware | wouldn't |
| 21:46.24 | Jimmy_Kash | jerware: but you would own a mac |
| 21:46.43 | niks | ok well gonna try some stuff thx |
| 21:46.50 | jelly-home | jerware: you might also want to try a distro that cares less about patent issues and provides dvdcss by default |
| 21:46.57 | valdyn | jerware: its ok to prefer ease of installation over a decent system, please dont bother us with it |
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| 21:47.21 | jelly-home | jerware: that thing is not likely to ever be in Debian by default |
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| 21:48.51 | un214 | If I want to upgrade to wheezy, replace squeeze with wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, right? |
| 21:49.06 | jelly-home | un214: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:49.17 | jbrks | un214, well you can add wheezy.. |
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| 21:49.43 | jbrks | un214, but i don't know if that's a good thing atm unless you know how to fix your system |
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| 21:55.27 | un214 | unless I get absolutely bogus drivers I can fix it |
| 21:55.35 | un214 | I keep a failsafe kernel |
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| 21:57.58 | babilen | un214: Which GPU do you have and which driver do you use with it? |
| 21:58.05 | un214 | babilen: vesa |
| 21:58.16 | babilen | seriously? by choice? |
| 21:58.24 | babilen | un214: And which GPU is that? |
| 21:58.46 | un214 | it's an NVIDIA that I believe has hardware damage causing it to issue misplaced DMA requests |
| 21:59.01 | un214 | using vesa avoids random crashes |
| 22:00.05 | babilen | Ok, vesa in wheezy should be fine. nvidia has a performance problem for certain cards which is fixed in sid. But as you are not using nvidia's proprietary driver anyway it shouldn't matter. |
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| 22:02.11 | un214 | I have an ATI card that I've been debating dropping in |
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| 22:05.05 | quiznilo | if it's hate you want, it's hate you'll get |
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| 22:05.12 | phaidros | hi, is it possible in testing to roll back to gnome2 ? |
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| 22:05.26 | ompaul | !downgrade |
| 22:05.28 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 22:05.48 | babilen | phaidros: No |
| 22:05.52 | phaidros | I ran away cursing from ubuntu's unity, to just walk directly into gnome3 :/ |
| 22:05.56 | phaidros | babilen: I thought so :/ |
| 22:06.14 | phaidros | ompaul: I think gnome is huge enough that "simple" downgrading will end up in a mess |
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| 22:07.20 | phaidros | is there any 3rd party repo known, which carries gnome2 and has mangled enough meta packages to just have it parallely running? |
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| 22:07.49 | babilen | phaidros: Well, I would try it for some time. I recently tried 3.2 (sid) and was positively surprised. I don't use it as I am quite fond of slim window managers. You can use the fallback-session but that is not the same as gnome2 and will be deprecated in one of the coming releases. |
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| 22:08.52 | phaidros | babilen: yeah, as ubuntu shown in 11.10, gnome classic was dropped .. and yeah, probably gnome3 will mature, but atm it is a mess. lots of features missing, useful details for a fluid work environment are just not there anymore :/ |
| 22:08.57 | babilen | phaidros: There is the MATE project (completely unsupported by Debian) which will probably die soon (but who knows) and there are a couple of other nice DEs and WMs for you to try and use. (XFCE, KDE, LXDE, fluxbox, awesomewm, xmonad, wmii, e17, ...) |
| 22:09.26 | babilen | phaidros: So, pick your poison and thank you for testing a development branch of Debian |
| 22:09.55 | phaidros | a complete overhaul of metaphers .. which I appreciate, 'coz a flat desktop as a metapher to deal with (nearly) infinite digital space and data is 20st century .. but hey, just removing the stable branch is plain .. ehem .. stoopid :) |
| 22:09.56 | ompaul | phaidros: you could move to kde ;-) I hate to say it, works for me odd plasma drop out now and again but not often (using intel video) |
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| 22:10.12 | phaidros | well ... |
| 22:10.48 | un214 | to avoid trouble on ubuntu, use kde |
| 22:10.51 | un214 | just sayin... |
| 22:11.06 | babilen | phaidros: You know your options, pick your poison. (and seriously, 3.2 is quite usable IMHO) |
| 22:11.07 | phaidros | pandora's box: xfce and lxde are not mature, kde I hate since always, e17 and *box are not my cup 'o tea .. so awesome, ion3 and alike are tiling window managers, which are kewl, but simply do not integrate into my workflow, or my workflow into them :) |
| 22:11.22 | phaidros | babilen: ah, 3.2! is it shipped already? |
| 22:11.31 | ompaul | in SID |
| 22:11.34 | un214 | if it weren't for the trouble of finding another good accesabiilty theme, I'd switch to lxde myself now |
| 22:11.35 | babilen | !tell phaidros -about gnome3 |
| 22:12.24 | phaidros | un214: it lacks simple features .. darn, we *had* a mature desktop .. why is it gone? I just cannot understand this. to the devs: just leave the gnome2 as classic version in there .. o.O |
| 22:12.25 | babilen | phaidros: It is uploaded to experimental/sid and some components might even be in wheezy right now. Wheezy will probably release with 3.2 or 3.4 |
| 22:12.44 | phaidros | hm, am on wheezy now .. |
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| 22:13.31 | phaidros | *sigh, spending time for unecessarry work .. always annoying :D |
| 22:13.36 | nkuttler | just use the command line and don't worry about changing or breaking GUIs.. |
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| 22:14.27 | phaidros | nkuttler: there is tasks you want to have a desktop for. CLI is the tool of choice for the tasks where it fits .. cli is not the stone of wisdom, tho it is underestimated in general |
| 22:14.54 | phaidros | darn, I just want to flame a bit, where should I do that? |
| 22:15.07 | phaidros | is a bit annoyed about that desktop mess in 2011 .. why - o - why ... |
| 22:15.19 | boudiccas | phaidros; #ubuntu ;) |
| 22:15.20 | un214 | pride goith before destruction |
| 22:15.35 | phaidros | boudiccas: well, good hint .. *chrchr |
| 22:15.39 | nkuttler | phaidros: i don't, but thanks for trying to help |
| 22:15.40 | babilen | phaidros: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html ftw, but more to the point (and actually on topic) -- I see that gnome-shell is still 3.0 in sid and 3.2 is in experimental. |
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| 22:16.11 | phaidros | babilen: eh, cryptonomicon? related to desktops? |
| 22:16.28 | phaidros | ah, ok, first read then type |
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| 22:17.30 | phaidros | well, I have a copy of that book always araund in print .. since '99. and I propably have made it a present for ~20 times to friends who have the steap learning curve to accept that CLI actually *is* great. .. and always buy a new copy :D |
| 22:17.37 | rypervenche | I hope Debian will default to a different DE, like Xfce or something. |
| 22:17.44 | phaidros | rypervenche: I doubt. |
| 22:17.51 | oszt | rypervenche: word |
| 22:17.56 | valdyn | rypervenche: it doesnt default to anything |
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| 22:18.22 | valdyn | rypervenche: it makes available the most popular in tasksel, thats something entirely different |
| 22:18.24 | nkuttler | the desktop tasks defaults to gnome and afaik is selected by default during install |
| 22:18.43 | rypervenche | Yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 22:18.44 | babilen | phaidros: Seminal essay written by Stephenson. I would like to note a few things though. We actually do have a wheezy/sid support channel on irc.oftc.net (#debian-next). You could probably pull in various gnome3 components from sid/experimental but I wouldn't do that right now. Give it a little time and you might actually start to like it. A lot of people found the gnome-tweak-tool useful, so you might want to take a look at that as well. |
| 22:18.45 | phaidros | the reason for gnome3/unity is imho the changing target devices, as devs expect the classical desktop to away, morphe into tablets, touchscreens and others .. |
| 22:18.46 | valdyn | ...unless you use the -kde or -xfce disks |
| 22:18.58 | babilen | rypervenche: It will not. |
| 22:19.11 | nkuttler | which sound kinda non-default |
| 22:19.20 | phaidros | babilen: word. gnome-tweak-tool is gonna be my straw now :) |
| 22:19.50 | phaidros | any hint on having workspaces in more than one column in gnome3 ? |
| 22:19.54 | babilen | But seriously: Lets take the "I don't like Gnome3 ... But it is nice!!" talk to an offtopic channel such as #debian-offtopic and focus on actual support in here. |
| 22:20.12 | phaidros | kk |
| 22:20.18 | phaidros | any hint on having workspaces in more than one column in gnome3 ? |
| 22:20.20 | phaidros | :D |
| 22:20.32 | babilen | phaidros: No idea, good question. |
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| 22:21.59 | phaidros | is there a gnome3 irc? |
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| 22:22.21 | un214 | can't jon #debian-next |
| 22:22.30 | nkuttler | phaidros: debian specific? |
| 22:22.44 | robokop | un214: you should register your nick with NickServ |
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| 22:22.57 | un214 | it is registered |
| 22:23.04 | un214 | NickServ seems to be down right now |
| 22:23.12 | un214 | at least my client shows it away |
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| 22:23.28 | nkuttler | un214: oftc, not freenode |
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| 22:23.40 | un214 | oh that's why |
| 22:23.52 | phaidros | so, #debian-next on oftc it is? |
| 22:23.54 | nkuttler | yeah, i remember it being blocked here (bad idea) |
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| 22:26.25 | lfs | How do you rename an external USB hard drive? |
| 22:26.40 | lfs | I understand that parted does not like spaces. |
| 22:27.00 | valdyn | lfs: cant name disks, but you can name filesystems |
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| 22:27.11 | valdyn | lfs: the how depends on the filesystem |
| 22:28.34 | valdyn | lfs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive |
| 22:28.44 | lfs | parted is unable to find mountpoint |
| 22:29.06 | valdyn | lfs: last i checked parted was a partition editor, that has nothing to do with mountpoints |
| 22:29.32 | lfs | I understand that parted is having trouble with the spaces in the name. |
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| 22:31.30 | valdyn | lfs: parted can modify filesystem labels? thats news |
| 22:31.45 | valdyn | lfs: are you talking about "mklabel" ? |
| 22:32.09 | valdyn | lfs: ah, i see it can |
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| 22:32.36 | valdyn | lfs: "name 1 'My Music'" |
| 22:32.43 | valdyn | lfs: maybe you forget quotes |
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| 22:35.08 | valdyn | lfs: i see this is only supposed to work with mac or pc98 partitions, so maybe youre on the wrong track |
| 22:35.16 | lfs | All I did was open parted and then looked for information on /dev/sdc |
| 22:35.35 | valdyn | lfs: ok, read that link i showed you first |
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| 22:35.49 | lfs | I want to resize the drive |
| 22:36.03 | valdyn | lfs: thats new, you wanted to name the driver |
| 22:36.06 | lfs | Or the partition on the drive |
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| 22:43.11 | lfs | What happens if I use parted to unmount the drive and then parted can't find it again? |
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| 22:43.48 | boudiccas | lfs; what do you mean 'what happens'? |
| 22:44.07 | lfs | Is it safe to unmount the drive like is says in those docs? |
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| 22:49.51 | lfs | If I unmount the USB external HD using gparted, and then rename the label, does it remember this after a reboot? |
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| 22:52.55 | Iridos | who remembers what |
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| 22:54.14 | lfs | What happens when gparted renames a partition? |
| 22:54.44 | boudiccas | lfs; what do you mean by 'what happens'? please try to be clear in your questions |
| 22:55.00 | dvs | lfs: Check your config files to see if they reference the old name |
| 22:55.32 | lfs | I didn't do anything yet |
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| 22:57.33 | lfs | When I open gparted under information for /dev/sdc I get the warning unable to find mountpoint unable to red the contents of this file system because of this some operations may be unavailable |
| 22:58.02 | lfs | And the resize/Move option is greyed out. |
| 22:58.15 | lfs | This is the problem more exactly. |
| 22:58.23 | dvs | lfs: don't do those operations on a "line" partition |
| 22:58.34 | dvs | "live" |
| 22:59.12 | lfs | Does live mean mounted? |
| 22:59.19 | arghx | yes |
| 22:59.42 | lfs | So the problem is that the drive is mounted? |
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| 23:00.32 | Bushmills | "unable to find mount*point*" |
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| 23:00.43 | Bushmills | nothing to so with file system labels |
| 23:00.47 | Bushmills | to do |
| 23:01.01 | cheako | Hello, I just read something interesting in the kernel comments about saving and restoring the entropy pool. In the example scripts /var/run/random-seed is used, but I can't find this file on my system. |
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| 23:01.13 | cheako | Are there stratup and shutdown scripts in Debian to perform this action? |
| 23:01.19 | cheako | http://j.mp/rM7UJA |
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| 23:03.31 | Bushmills | check /var/lib/urandom/random-seed |
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| 23:03.58 | jelly-home | cheako: /etc/init.d/urandom |
| 23:04.09 | cheako | Yay! |
| 23:04.35 | jelly-home | cheako: grep -i 'random.*seed' /etc/init.d/* |
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| 23:06.24 | cheako | Where can I find pere, so I can answer his comment? |
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| 23:07.37 | MrHatter | i have a lenny server onsite that occasionally and randomly, lags on all commands. i.e. ls -la takes 20 seconds to display directory. the system is mdadm raid1 and i cant see anything odd. it happens randomly for a while then starts working fine for weeks on end. any ideas ? my first thought is one of the disks, smart short test doesnt show any errors. any ideas ? |
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| 23:09.18 | Bushmills | MrHatter: that was once a problem with some adaptec SCSI drivers. i think the pci 29xx controllers were affected |
| 23:09.55 | Bushmills | though it's not too likely that your box still features one of those |
| 23:09.57 | jelly-home | MrHatter: do you have graphs of disk-busy and IO usage? Which io scheduler is active? How much memory does the system have? |
| 23:10.00 | cheako | MrHatter: For one you can use --write-mostly to test reach drive individually. There won't be much of a performance penalty, so you could run that way during a testing period. |
| 23:10.11 | lfs | when I click on umount in gparted the drive stays mounted |
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| 23:10.38 | cheako | lfs: Click apply? |
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| 23:10.59 | MrHatter | jelly-home, box has 2gb ram, no i dont have graphs for the disk-busy or io, what tools do you use for these graphs ? |
| 23:11.12 | cheako | lfs: gparted stores actions in a to do buffer, that could be why it's not doing it ASAP. |
| 23:11.20 | MrHatter | cheako, thx i will try this also |
| 23:11.29 | lfs | A box comes up cannot mount volume you are not privileged mount this volume |
| 23:11.47 | cheako | MrHatter: I'd use MRTG and gkrellm. MRTG is likely what you want. |
| 23:11.54 | cheako | ...for graphs. |
| 23:12.02 | MrHatter | cheako, oh yes. i will setup mrtg. |
| 23:12.06 | lfs | I think I need to umount from command line |
| 23:12.07 | jelly-home | MrHatter: we use cricket but it's rather quaint and overkill for a single machine. try munin, perhaps? |
| 23:12.16 | Bushmills | or munin. maybe easier to set up |
| 23:12.27 | MrHatter | jelly-home, i remember munin, i will check it out thx |
| 23:12.55 | cheako | MrHatter: jelly-home's idea about looking at scheduler(s) can be done using: find /sys -name \*scheduler\* |
| 23:13.06 | jelly-home | MrHatter: in general I find deadline io scheduler to make less problems than Debian kernels' default cfq |
| 23:13.11 | lfs | umount /dev/sdc ?????? |
| 23:13.16 | lfs | Is this right command |
| 23:13.41 | MrHatter | lfs, you check whats mounted with df |
| 23:13.55 | MrHatter | then yes : umount /dev/sdc1 or whatever |
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| 23:14.14 | MrHatter | lfs, make sure you are not in that directory in any other shell |
| 23:14.20 | cheako | MrHatter: I'd write a simple cron script that emails when/if these change... something like: find /sys -name \*scheduler\* | while read scd; do diff $scd /var/run/dif/$scd || cp $scd /var/run/dif/$scd; done |
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| 23:14.25 | jelly-home | MrHatter, cheako: /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler |
| 23:14.32 | lfs | /dev/sdc1 976760032 3361728 973398304 1% /media/FreeAgent GoFlex |
| 23:14.50 | cheako | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.15 | MrHatter | lfs, umount /dev/sdc1 |
| 23:15.27 | jelly-home | cheako: that path is horrible, the symlinks in /sys/block/ are easier to remember. |
| 23:15.43 | cheako | I have more disks then this... |
| 23:15.55 | cheako | ohh, diffrent box. |
| 23:16.12 | cheako | jelly-home: good call, your path is better. |
| 23:16.40 | MrHatter | so your thoughts are to check if a disks scheduler is busy ? to indicate a failure ? or a bottleneck ? |
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| 23:16.58 | MrHatter | or both i guess.. |
| 23:17.10 | lfs | The Resize/Move button is still greyed out on gparted |
| 23:17.19 | cheako | MrHatter: There could a particular disks scheduler that's causing a problem. |
| 23:17.32 | jelly-home | MrHatter: I'm saying is: after you eliminate other bottleneck possibilities, try changing those tunables. |
| 23:17.43 | MrHatter | jelly-home, ah ok. thx. |
| 23:17.45 | cheako | That would account for the intermitent part of your problem... is the scheduler is auto changed. |
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| 23:17.51 | cheako | s/is/if/ |
| 23:17.58 | lfs | unable to read the contents of this filesystem |
| 23:18.05 | jelly-home | cheako: it's not "auto changed". |
| 23:18.08 | lfs | SOme operation maybe unavailable |
| 23:18.27 | cheako | lfs: What are you trying to unmount? |
| 23:18.27 | lfs | I think it it because the name has spaces |
| 23:18.35 | jelly-home | cheako: it's just cfq is crap, and its usage can result in symptoms similar to what MrHatter is seeing |
| 23:18.39 | lfs | a USB external harddrive |
| 23:19.13 | lfs | I want to resize the ntfs partition on the drive |
| 23:19.20 | cheako | lfs: Yeah, hal/dbus/udev will be all over auto-mounting that. |
| 23:19.58 | cheako | lfs: An pumount dosn't unmount it? |
| 23:19.58 | MrHatter | jelly-home, what is cfq ? |
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| 23:20.23 | jelly-home | MrHatter: the default io scheduler algorythm |
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| 23:20.37 | MrHatter | jelly-home, there is an alternative ? |
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| 23:21.48 | n-iCe | hi, I created an adhoc connection in the networkmanager I see the wireless access point in my devices(iphone) even I can connect to the AP but I Have no internet connection, any idea what can I be missing? thanks! I have two wireless cards. |
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| 23:21.59 | Shadowcat | must be insane |
| 23:22.07 | Shadowcat | compiling xen kernels for debian stable |
| 23:22.08 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 23:22.38 | jelly-home | MrHatter: yes, that's the tunable I mentioned. |
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| 23:23.01 | lfs | It is now unmounted but I still cannot resize it using gparted |
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| 23:25.05 | cheako | n-iCe: First dosn't your phone do managed network? I've configured an iphone once and that's the way it worked. |
| 23:25.21 | cheako | n-iCe: Second is there any reply to DHCP requests? |
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| 23:26.13 | cheako | lfs: Try to exit and re-run gparted. |
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| 23:29.13 | n-iCe | so you say is not debian it is the iphone? cheako ? |
| 23:30.05 | cheako | n-iCe: No need to place blame, obviously they are both at fault for not just figuring out what the other is doing. |
| 23:30.23 | n-iCe | how could I determinate? |
| 23:30.27 | n-iCe | let me try with a laptop |
| 23:30.33 | cheako | n-iCe: I'm suggesting that you should not be using AdHoc, try managed. |
| 23:30.36 | n-iCe | but have you done this sharing internet thing? |
| 23:30.41 | n-iCe | oh, managed? |
| 23:31.04 | n-iCe | I Just see infrastructure and adhoc |
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| 23:31.37 | CyberGabber | A |
| 23:31.39 | cheako | n-iCe: Yes' I've done it with a wierless access point running wrt OS. |
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| 23:31.57 | MrHatter | cheako and jelly-home, thx for help, i will check out these things. |
| 23:32.08 | n-iCe | I Just see infrastructure and adhoc cheako |
| 23:32.12 | cheako | n-iCe: Yup, managed == infrastructure. |
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| 23:32.19 | n-iCe | oh |
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| 23:34.22 | n-iCe | ok I did it cheako now I saved, and tried to connect to hidden network, but is not connecting and is not being shown like an AP |
| 23:34.58 | cheako | n-iCe: Ahh, should show up as a regular access point with no security. Check the settings on the phone. |
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| 23:37.42 | n-iCe | same cheako Now I can connect but is not sharing internet |
| 23:39.50 | ws2k3 | hello people i have installed l7-filter so now i can check the content of a package |
| 23:40.12 | ws2k3 | is it possible to use l7-filter to detect if one kind of packet is send to me 9999 times? and then ban that person? |
| 23:42.33 | n-iCe | cheako: nothing, tried shared with other computers under ipv4 and dhpc automatic, but is the same |
| 23:42.36 | n-iCe | any idea? |
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| 23:45.28 | n-iCe | hi, I created an adhoc connection in the networkmanager I see the wireless access point in my devices(iphone) even I can connect to the AP but I Have no internet connection, any idea what can I be missing? thanks! I have two wireless cards. |
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| 23:47.38 | ws2k3 | hello people i have installed l7-filter so now i can check the content of a package |
| 23:47.39 | ws2k3 | is it possible to use l7-filter to detect if one kind of packet is send to me 9999 times? and then ban that person? |
| 23:48.14 | cheako | n-iCe: There is no AP in adhoc. You say you are talking to the phone, tell us about that. |
| 23:48.58 | n-iCe | cheako When I use adhoc i see in my laptop and in my phone the AP |
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| 23:49.33 | cheako | n-iCe: How do you see? |
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| 23:50.34 | n-iCe | Says My AP name and like a signal tower in my computer, but can't find it in my iphone, it is set right now in INFRASTRUCTURE and SHARED TO OTHER COMPUTERS |
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| 23:51.33 | cheako | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad-hoc_network "A wireless ad-hoc network is a decentralized type of wireless network.[1] The network is ad hoc because it does not rely on a preexisting infrastructure, such as routers in wired networks or _.*-access points-*._ in managed (infrastructure) wireless networks." |
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| 23:52.07 | n-iCe | cheako: it is set in infrastructure right now |
| 23:52.15 | cheako | n-iCe: Yes, in ad-hoc mode there is no such thing as a tower... so signal strength is irrelevant. |
| 23:52.34 | cheako | n-iCe: Ahh, and what do you see? |
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| 23:59.32 | supayoshi | does anyone have a script to copy a whole directory + subdirectorys + files in it, to another location? |
| 23:59.42 | supayoshi | cp rm / ?? |
