| 00:00.59 | DJPressbox | abrotman, yah.. i guess he/she needs to learn how to read manuals first... |
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| 00:04.31 | Lewoco_ | What do I have to install for the g++ man page? |
| 00:05.19 | abrotman | Lewoco_: gcc-doc i believe .. and i think it's in non-free |
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| 00:06.04 | datzy | abrotman: that didn't work |
| 00:06.05 | Lewoco_ | abrotman, Why would the gcc docs be non-free? |
| 00:06.12 | DJPressbox | why does Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express DRAM Controller -- require an AGP graphics card driver??? Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel |
| 00:06.15 | abrotman | !gfdl |
| 00:06.15 | datzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.15 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 00:06.32 | datzy | stupid thing won't take my password |
| 00:06.36 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 00:06.43 | datzy | guess I could restart the whole mahcine |
| 00:06.52 | datzy | night |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | datzy: what groups is your user in ? |
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| 00:07.27 | datzy | abaddon: well I clicked cancel now, and it says connection established |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:07.40 | abrotman | cute |
| 00:07.43 | datzy | abrotman: sorry |
| 00:08.01 | abrotman | don't apologize to me .. you keep highlighting the other guy |
| 00:08.02 | datzy | I think I need to start tabbing more letters other than the first two :P |
| 00:08.06 | datzy | lol |
| 00:08.08 | datzy | true |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | datzy: abr<tab> .. almost never fails |
| 00:08.18 | datzy | haha |
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| 00:09.25 | abrotman | datzy: what's your IRC client ? |
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| 00:10.03 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: You should be asleep! Parallel ATA VIA - VIA is a chipset maker |
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| 00:10.33 | datzy | abrotman: I guess it's kind of working. now that I want to edit the connection I the apply button is not highlighted |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | because you didn't auth |
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| 00:12.41 | datzy | abrotman: yea. it's not working |
| 00:12.52 | datzy | can I manually edit the file somewhere? |
| 00:12.53 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt, :) It's working! I switched off all other serial ports and the floppy disc controller and now i run : cat /dev/ttyS0 and touched the screen there was characters on the screen |
| 00:13.01 | abrotman | datzy: i'm sure it's living in /etc/ somewhere |
| 00:13.26 | datzy | abrotman: I'm using xchat while my server that I run irssi can't connect to the network |
| 00:13.33 | datzy | where* |
| 00:13.47 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt, ok i go sleep ;) What time is ti now by you? |
| 00:13.54 | datzy | irssi seems to tab most recent used nicks or something |
| 00:14.14 | datzy | xchat seems to go in alphabetical order |
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| 00:17.15 | datzy | any ideas guys? |
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| 00:17.41 | datzy | where is the config file for network manager so I can manually edit it |
| 00:18.04 | abrotman | datzy: you can change that with xchat btw |
| 00:19.01 | abrotman | datzy: mine lives under /etc/NetworkManager |
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| 00:19.13 | datzy | ok thanks I'll take a look |
| 00:19.31 | n-iCe | I am back abrotman |
| 00:19.43 | abrotman | runs |
| 00:19.49 | n-iCe | hehehe |
| 00:19.54 | n-iCe | I'm a pain, I Know! |
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| 00:20.06 | abrotman | n-iCe: did oyu try to do the rfkill program ? |
| 00:20.08 | n-iCe | but just in things I can't really make work after searching |
| 00:20.43 | datzy | abrotman: looks like that won't be very easy to configure. |
| 00:20.49 | n-iCe | but just in things I can't really make work after searching, yes tried it, did not work, also rebooted and turned on and off, the light is now on, but the bluetooth does not goes ON/ENABLE |
| 00:21.19 | datzy | rebooting |
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| 00:23.25 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you paste /var/log/dmesg anywhere |
| 00:23.26 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:24.28 | n-iCe | abrotman: yes, hold on |
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| 00:25.25 | thewanderer1 | question of the day: the machine has 64MB of RAM, free -m displays 48M total, where did the 16M go? :) |
| 00:25.26 | n-iCe | 15:02 < n-iCe> abrotman: http://pastebin.com/sZj1aLbK no errors in the led, indeed says like it was detected and enabled, and nothing about the cam, could not find it in lspci or lsusb |
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| 00:25.57 | abrotman | thewanderer1: ask your BIOS |
| 00:26.35 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you get the firmware-iwlagn from backports.debian.org A? |
| 00:26.45 | datzy | abrotman: ok, restarted the machine, and it started asking for the root password after it asked for just password |
| 00:27.00 | datzy | I hate the network manager, I hope I don't have to mess with this thing again |
| 00:27.30 | n-iCe | abrotman: uhm I don't think so, because after installation there were no errors in reboot, should I remove then reinstall from -t -squeeze? |
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| 00:27.43 | n-iCe | you are right, let me do it |
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| 00:27.54 | datzy | fires up irssi |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | datzy: i haven't had these sorts of issues |
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| 00:28.22 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, ha, the BIOS or some such seems to eat up exactly 16MB of memory... O.o |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | thewanderer1: how much does the BIOS see |
| 00:28.53 | n-iCe | done abrotman what's next |
| 00:29.22 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, honestly no idea, there is no POST, is a virtual machine with SeaBIOS :P |
| 00:29.47 | abrotman | okay .. if it's a VM .. how much did you allocate? |
| 00:29.56 | abrotman | you might want ot double check |
| 00:30.09 | magyar | hi, what is a bpo kernel? |
| 00:30.30 | n-iCe | , kernels |
| 00:30.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 00:30.40 | n-iCe | , backports |
| 00:30.50 | magyar | n-iCe: thank you |
| 00:30.53 | n-iCe | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 00:31.06 | n-iCe | magyar: http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 00:31.21 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, I allocated ${what_I_see} + 16MB :P |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | n-iCe: done what? what version of firmware-iwlwifi is installed? |
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| 00:32.20 | abrotman | thewanderer1: did you look in dmesg ? dmesg | grep HIGHMEM ? |
| 00:32.25 | karlpinc | magyar: You might find http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware helpful, or not. |
| 00:32.57 | n-iCe | abrotman: .../firmware-iwlwifi_0.32~bpo60+1_all.deb |
| 00:33.07 | namidark | Where is the syscall_table located on a 64 bit machine? Is it in the kernel source or in the headers/image directories? |
| 00:33.10 | n-iCe | I did not have the backports one, I just downloaded and installed it abrotman |
| 00:33.12 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, nothing shows up |
| 00:33.28 | thewanderer1 | 16MB is not a big deal, I'm rather curious... |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i thought it was 16GB ? |
| 00:33.55 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, if 16GB disappeared I'd panic |
| 00:34.03 | abrotman | oh .. dmesg | grep MEM |
| 00:34.34 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, nah, nothing... |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | dude .. post /var/log/dmesg in a pastebin |
| 00:35.04 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, I'm supposed to have something in dmesg... it must have been spammed |
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| 00:37.15 | n-iCe | abrotman: what's next :D |
| 00:37.56 | n-iCe | I don't find my webcam listed, how can I Know which module to install |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | n-iCe: i asked you a questoin |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | i'm not going to answer your quetions til you answer mine |
| 00:40.14 | n-iCe | abrotman: well, you should highlight my nick if you can please, since you help many users, we can get confused, what was the question?, sorry |
| 00:40.17 | n-iCe | 19:31 < abrotman> n-iCe: done what? what version of firmware-iwlwifi is installed? |
| 00:40.22 | n-iCe | 19:33 < n-iCe> abrotman: .../firmware-iwlwifi_0.32~bpo60+1_all.deb |
| 00:40.31 | n-iCe | if that's the one you meant |
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| 00:41.39 | abrotman | uh .. didn't appear ? |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | guess it did .. |
| 00:41.51 | abrotman | n-iCe: reboot |
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| 00:42.54 | karlpinc | abrotman: Is reboot the only way? Just curious. |
| 00:43.01 | n-iCe | abrotman: ok, brb! |
| 00:43.45 | Miesco_ | VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE). |
| 00:43.48 | Miesco_ | I got this |
| 00:43.53 | Miesco_ | Do I have to make a custom kernel? |
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| 00:44.28 | Miesco_ | Is virtualbox what I use to play the new batman game? |
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| 00:45.20 | nac-godfather | I'm looking to build my own bleeding-edge/rolling release OS off of debian, for my own personal use. Might create a small home cluster for CUDA cracking and other cool stuff. Would Linux Mint Debian be a good route to go, or is there a more up-to-date release that's also considered "rolling" besides SID? |
| 00:45.39 | thewanderer1 | Miesco, remove the kvm kernel module before using vbox |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | karlpinc: no .. but it's easier than explaining to him the other way |
| 00:46.11 | Miesco_ | kk |
| 00:46.12 | abrotman | nac-godfather: this is not the Mint channel |
| 00:46.20 | Miesco_ | Can kvm use 3d acceleration? |
| 00:46.35 | karlpinc | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 00:46.46 | nac-godfather | I know, LMDE is only a consideration, but it's built off of SID, is there a newer release which is pretty stable similar to SID? |
| 00:46.58 | thewanderer1 | Miesco_, probably... try finding "VMGL" on the Web |
| 00:47.33 | thewanderer1 | Miesco_, also, no idea about Batman games but there's a good chance that it's supported by Wine... |
| 00:47.42 | abrotman | nac-godfather: no, and you can't base a release off sid |
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| 00:47.47 | nac-godfather | I would like to have some codecs already installed if possible, maybe save myself some time by going the LMDE route. But I might go so far as to compile the latest kernel image anyways |
| 00:48.03 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, I thought Ubuntu were basing off sid? :) |
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| 00:48.36 | nac-godfather | LMDE is based off of SID, they even say so on their site, and consider it a "rolling release" |
| 00:48.46 | nac-godfather | not my words |
| 00:49.33 | nac-godfather | Nevermind, I'm so tired of assholes arguing with me instead of helping one another, I always provide support, but whenever I need a little assistance or ask a simple question, I get a bunch of attitude and arguments... |
| 00:49.42 | thewanderer1 | nac-godfather, ask dpkg about cut, there might be some progress in that |
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| 00:51.17 | nac-godfather | U know, I want the most up to date system possible, but will still be pretty stable as far as package management (apt) and won't have a huge dependency mess when deciding to compile packages from source, and basically run the newest packages all-around. |
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| 00:52.28 | nac-godfather | LMDE, I got pretty far, and I remember that was SID basically. This time around, thought there might be something with a newer "codename" that I should use, because I'm kinda leaning towards trying out gnome 3.2 with Debian as my starting-point. |
| 00:52.30 | abrotman | thewanderer1: they take a snapshot of sid .. then apply patches, etc .. and even the 12.04 will be based off a snapshot of wheezy instead |
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| 00:52.44 | n-iCe | same abrotman |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | n-iCe: same what? |
| 00:52.50 | nac-godfather | ah |
| 00:53.00 | n-iCe | abrotman: no switch light, no bluetooth, no cam |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | n-iCe: you really don't have an rf switch ? |
| 00:53.13 | nac-godfather | well LMDE I believe is a little different than the typical Mint snapshots, but I'd have to reference |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | why are we still talking about LMDE ? |
| 00:53.28 | n-iCe | abrotman: I have, I told you I did it, and did not work |
| 00:53.28 | nac-godfather | I know what you mean though abrotman |
| 00:53.38 | abrotman | n-iCe: have another OS on the laptop ? |
| 00:53.41 | thewanderer1 | nac-godfather, Sid is always Sid, there's no "successor"... |
| 00:53.45 | n-iCe | abrotman: no :< |
| 00:53.49 | nac-godfather | so which is the rolling release of plain Debian, still Sid? |
| 00:53.54 | nac-godfather | cool |
| 00:53.57 | nac-godfather | okay |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | there is no "rolling release" of debian |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | there are two versions that are constantly in various states of broken |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman | n-iCe: have a liveCD somewhere you can try? |
| 00:54.48 | n-iCe | abrotman: yes sir, what do you want me to try |
| 00:54.56 | abrotman | n-iCe: just see if it works |
| 00:55.01 | nac-godfather | Isn't there an even newere, more unstable version above sid as well? |
| 00:55.07 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:55.16 | thewanderer1 | nac-godfather, no. experimental is not a complete repository. |
| 00:55.25 | n-iCe | abrotman: oh, I did it, and yes it works, used ubuntu 11.10 live cd |
| 00:55.29 | n-iCe | I did it 3 days ago |
| 00:55.44 | nac-godfather | okay. |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | n-iCe: where is your dmesg paste again ? |
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| 00:55.55 | n-iCe | abrotman: let me paste it again |
| 00:55.59 | nac-godfather | anyone here got gnome3.2 working with sid lately? |
| 00:56.09 | nac-godfather | custom build not suse or anything |
| 00:56.40 | abrotman | you? |
| 00:57.02 | thewanderer1 | nac-godfather, you might want to try #debian-next on OFTC, specifically meant for discussing Debian Testing (and possibly sid) - better chances there |
| 00:57.25 | nac-godfather | nice, thank you, was just looking for relative channel, haha |
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| 00:58.05 | n-iCe | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/UjN9WTk2 |
| 00:58.12 | nac-godfather | ah, it's invite only, can anyone invite me over there? (#debian-next) |
| 00:58.37 | abrotman | nac-godfather: on OFTC .. not here |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | thewanderer1: and that's not where he shuld be going |
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| 00:58.52 | abrotman | nac-godfather: that channel isn't for what you're talking about |
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| 00:59.19 | thewanderer1 | hmm, so it's for releases? |
| 00:59.30 | thewanderer1 | guess I got confused :P |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | it's not for some person that wants to build his own distro to bombard people with basic Debian questions |
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| 01:00.12 | orioni | hi there , i have an kot.so file that has different API-s . how can i get a list of them ? |
| 01:00.44 | n-iCe | abrotman: everything works awesome in debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 01:00.48 | n-iCe | should I move to? abrotman ? |
| 01:00.55 | n-iCe | maybe we can save time to us |
| 01:01.16 | n-iCe | the only problem in debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso is that changes a lot, when I update sometimes I get new things I don't like |
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| 01:02.34 | abrotman | n-iCe: you can do anything oyu like .. i can't stop you |
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| 01:04.30 | magdalene | sidles in and slips under the irc://irc.freenode.net/#Debian_couch |
| 01:04.41 | magdalene | evening folks |
| 01:04.43 | n-iCe | abrotman: what would be better? I think we get so far, you want to continue? |
| 01:04.58 | magdalene | ABROTMAN!!! |
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| 01:06.08 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:06.23 | abrotman | n-iCe: i can't tell you which is better |
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| 01:06.52 | magdalene | bats her big velociraptor eyelashes in his direction |
| 01:07.03 | magdalene | *bat**bat* |
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| 01:07.23 | abrotman | magdalene: i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 01:07.28 | nac-godfather | abrotman, I'm sure I know a great load about debian, probably more than you kid. So thanks anyways ya fuckin' doosh |
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| 01:07.50 | magdalene | heh |
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| 01:08.02 | magdalene | no, I was thinking about lunch actually |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | nac-godfather: i'm skeptical .. have a nice day |
| 01:08.31 | nac-godfather | here comes another bombardment, how about helping me get debian arm on a locked LG GSM phone |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | right .. you're going to insult me .. then i'll help you |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | strange world you live in |
| 01:09.13 | nac-godfather | You've been insulting me for 20 mins. |
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| 01:09.24 | nac-godfather | I don't get that upset about it. |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | i'm not hte slightest bit upset |
| 01:10.05 | JeremyH | I'm pretty upset |
| 01:10.06 | JeremyH | :/ |
| 01:10.09 | JeremyH | you guys should just kiss and make up |
| 01:10.13 | nac-godfather | was wondering if there's a way to get debian arm onto GSM phones pretty straightforwardly, or is it really involved and require porting knowledge for bootloaders adn custom wiring. |
| 01:10.21 | nac-godfather | chainloaders/ etc. |
| 01:10.24 | magdalene | don't let him upset you nac-godfather, he is like that when he wants his nappie |
| 01:10.35 | abrotman | magdalene: do you have a Debian question? |
| 01:10.42 | magdalene | here we go |
| 01:10.48 | magdalene | no I am here to answer them. |
| 01:10.53 | themill | nac-godfather: insulting the people who might otherwise help you isn't the best plan |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | magdalene: weren't you banned about 10 times the last time you came around? |
| 01:11.14 | themill | magdalene: then please try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 01:11.26 | magdalene | *GRIN* |
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| 01:11.38 | Dulak | Yes, don't you know it's the people that know who get to insult those who don't? You are upsetting the natural order! |
| 01:11.38 | abrotman | exactly |
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| 01:12.11 | n-iCe | thank you so much abrotman |
| 01:12.13 | magdalene | I usually don't make much noice |
| 01:12.21 | n-iCe | abrotman+1 |
| 01:12.39 | nac-godfather | I'm just really tired of the snooty attitudes at backtrack-linux, and especially metasploit, so I would like to just have my own personal OS for pentesting (mostly). I want gnome3.2 or newest and I want a Sid's repo, or better. So I won't need to reinstall/(properly upgrade) for some long time. |
| 01:12.40 | magdalene | unless people start asking me to answer question, whether on or off topic |
| 01:12.46 | nac-godfather | what's u guys recommendation. |
| 01:13.06 | h725 | hi, when comparing the results of objdump of the linux kernel image, and what is actually executed, i find differences in kmem_cache_alloc, how could that be? |
| 01:13.07 | nac-godfather | Does SID come with a window manager, or have a package selection mechanism, for minimal install? |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | now you're just trolling |
| 01:13.18 | themill | nac-godfather: if you have the skills to pull that off then you can work out those things yourself |
| 01:14.16 | nac-godfather | I know, thought maybe somebody else here had skills, and had recommendations, didn't know this was similar to #ubuntu |
| 01:14.24 | nac-godfather | :) |
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| 01:14.42 | abrotman | oh .. i didn't even have to do anything! |
| 01:14.58 | themill | nac-godfather: how about taking a brief break from #debian to do some background reading. Then you'll be able to ask more intelligent questions when you come back. |
| 01:15.05 | simonlnu | that chanserv is getting smarter... |
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| 01:15.59 | magdalene | nac-godfather irc://irc.freenode.net/#Debianan has been like this for 20 years, it hasn't gotten much better from when I started |
| 01:16.09 | magdalene | whups |
| 01:16.38 | magdalene | *grin* |
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| 01:17.37 | magdalene | i should say #debian rather |
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| 01:18.15 | magdalene | it was undernet that far back |
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| 01:18.31 | simonlnu | you should stay quiet unless you have something to contribute to the support in here |
| 01:18.32 | abrotman | magdalene: do you have a Debian related question to ask? |
| 01:18.56 | magdalene | abrotman: I was answering a question |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | no you weren't |
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| 01:20.47 | DJPressbox | ok, so my current kernel dumps at "Gave up waiting for root device." -- my normal 2.6 kernel works, how can i figure out what's up with my 3.0.4 one ? |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | DJPressbox: which version of Debian ? |
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| 01:21.21 | DJPressbox | abrotman, squeeze |
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| 01:21.38 | abrotman | DJPressbox: fairly certain the udev in squeeze isn't compatible with the 3.x kernels? |
| 01:22.05 | DJPressbox | most definitely is, or at least enough to boot - when i don't disable a ton of stuff it boots... |
| 01:22.25 | DJPressbox | and i made sure all the lspci -k modules were compiled into the kernel |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | doens't sound useful |
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| 01:23.12 | DJPressbox | i thought it might have to do with the ext3 and ext2 being modules instead of includes, but that didn't make a difference |
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| 01:23.30 | simonlnu | it wouldn't |
| 01:23.33 | DJPressbox | it complains it can't find the hard drive... but i included the ata_generic driver 2.6 was using... |
| 01:24.08 | DJPressbox | and used / to make sure all of its dependencies were met |
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| 01:24.43 | magdalene | DJPressbox do you only have the single drive? |
| 01:24.43 | DJPressbox | and it tried to access the hd via uuid... |
| 01:24.54 | DJPressbox | correct, its a single 80gb sata drive |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | cause if there were zero drives .. that would explain the issue |
| 01:25.14 | magdalene | duh |
| 01:25.28 | DJPressbox | lol, no the default 2.6 kernel boots |
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| 01:26.03 | abrotman | DJPressbox: as i said, the udev in squeeze is not compatible with the 3.x tree .. i'm unsure of precisely why, but that's what i've seen being passed around |
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| 01:26.44 | magdalene | abrotman: Its not a drive vs kernal issue |
| 01:26.57 | DJPressbox | ok... but then why can i compile a 3.0.4 default kernel boot and work ? |
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| 01:27.18 | abrotman | magdalene: where did i say it was? |
| 01:27.48 | magdalene | its what you are implying by saying 3.x wont work with his drive |
| 01:28.01 | abrotman | no .. i didn't |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | where do you get that .. |
| 01:28.11 | abrotman | why do people keep making stuff up |
| 01:28.26 | magdalene | are you 12? |
| 01:28.44 | DJPressbox | ok, is there away i could dump the logs to let you guys take a look?? is there any diagnostic stuff i could post? |
| 01:29.37 | magdalene | DJPress: what brand of drive is it |
| 01:29.40 | abrotman | DJPressbox: it's probably easier to find out if the udev would even work |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | the drive is not the issue |
| 01:29.48 | beardy | DJPressbox: Why do you need to run a 3.x kernel? |
| 01:30.20 | DJPressbox | because the xen kernel modules are built into 3.x |
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| 01:30.28 | DJPressbox | and i'm doing a project with the xen hypervisor |
| 01:30.35 | DJPressbox | and like i said, i can get 3.0.4 to boot |
| 01:30.39 | DJPressbox | just not when i slim it down |
| 01:30.51 | DJPressbox | so clearly i'm disabling something important, but i'm too stupid to figure out what |
| 01:30.57 | beardy | Then you slimmed too much. |
| 01:31.15 | beardy | DJPressbox: Probably the filesystem of your root. |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | DJPressbox: you mean when you don't need udev to load the driver for your controller anymore ... |
| 01:31.18 | magdalene | DJPressbox: you aren't using the text version of apt-get to install then? |
| 01:31.25 | Dulak | reverse to a clean kernel, disable 1 thing at a time, compile, test, rinse repeat. |
| 01:31.34 | magdalene | indeed |
| 01:31.49 | magdalene | set it to paranoid |
| 01:32.00 | DJPressbox | Dulak, that would be the insanely slow way todo this, but yes |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | DJPressbox: it's not gong to work |
| 01:32.33 | DJPressbox | magdalene, no, i'm just building from source, moving the vmlinuz to /boot and rebuilding an intrid img |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | DJPressbox: you'd do better to ignore magdalene ... |
| 01:33.25 | magdalene | what dulak said. it sucks but its the best thing for it |
| 01:33.34 | Dulak | Yes magdalene challenges the natural order! Off with it's head! |
| 01:33.42 | magdalene | her actually |
| 01:33.57 | DJPressbox | there's no way to compare what's going on in 2.6 to what's clearly not going on in 3.x ? |
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| 01:34.14 | Dulak | This is the internet, where guys are guys, girls are guys, and little girls are fbi. |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | its |
| 01:34.27 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.41 | magdalene | *grin* |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | DJPressbox: you can enable the boot log .. but it'll likely just get to the same point you're at now |
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| 01:34.51 | Miesco | okay |
| 01:35.04 | luigi_v | well, i had enough of this crappy gnome3 |
| 01:35.14 | luigi_v | no dual-head whatsoever |
| 01:36.12 | DJPressbox | ok, so beardy, you mentioned it probably can't see the fs of my root... how would i check that? |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | luigi_v: google "gnome3 dual head" ? |
| 01:36.20 | beardy | DJPressbox: You either removed the support for your root filesystem, or made it modular. |
| 01:36.34 | Dulak | DJPressbox: I know it's tedious, but really the only proper solution to really find the problem is the one I provided. You are on the frontier, until somebody else figures out how to get 3.x booting on squeeze, you're stuck randomly trying things or taking the structured approach. |
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| 01:37.04 | abrotman | if you're depending on udev to load modules, it is not compatible |
| 01:37.05 | luigi_v | abrotman, yes, I managed to do some things, the only major problem is that i can drag a window from one screen to another |
| 01:37.16 | luigi_v | s/can/can't |
| 01:37.23 | beardy | DJPressbox: Check your kernel build configuration again, make sure the filesystem you use is in the kernel. Most likely ext2/3/4. |
| 01:37.47 | magdalene | it isn't necessarily impossible... just highly improbable |
| 01:37.55 | DJPressbox | ok, i took ext4 out... cuz i thought squeeze by default made root ext3 --did this change ? |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | luigi_v: can you move it via the menu? |
| 01:38.13 | Dulak | DJPressbox: just look at your fstab |
| 01:38.28 | DJPressbox | palm meets forhead |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | beardy: did you know that the udev in squeeze is incompatible with 3.x kernels? |
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| 01:38.44 | beardy | DJPressbox: Why is it so important with a small kernel? all things bloat.. if size matters, build a kernel from an older tree as it probably is a lot smaller.. |
| 01:38.55 | luigi_v | abrotman, no |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | luigi_v: so there's no way at all to move windows between desktops ? |
| 01:39.35 | DJPressbox | beardy, because my developers can't seem to make their own make file, so they rely on "make modules_install" and they want as few modules installed as possible |
| 01:39.38 | MSTRCNVS | arghx: http://paste.debian.net/139612/ -- this is the 'apt-get -b source nvidia-glx', now that I have builded debs I am supposed to install starting by which? |
| 01:39.39 | magdalene | beardy: there doesn't have to be bloatware |
| 01:39.43 | beardy | DJPressbox: But.. put it back and see if that did it. I haven't built a kernel in ages, I don't know if ext2, 3 and 4 is one module, or separate. |
| 01:40.09 | luigi_v | abrotman, if there is, i don't know |
| 01:40.11 | DJPressbox | beardy, ext2,3,4 are all seperate |
| 01:40.18 | beardy | abrotman: No, I didn't/don't know. he said 3.0.4 booted, so I assume it isn't, if that is true. |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | beardy: he said it boots if he compiles everything in |
| 01:40.29 | Dulak | It used to be a point of pride to trim your kernel down to just what you are using, but now that it's so much work, it's regarded as an old-school thing that the new kids laugh at. |
| 01:40.29 | magdalene | small and streamlined is better. I miss the *old* linuxes |
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| 01:40.50 | abrotman | luigi_v: normally i'd click on the icon in the upper left, and choose "Move to " and it would give me a list of windows |
| 01:40.51 | nebukad | hi |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | or "Move to Another Workspace" |
| 01:41.58 | nebukad | im using a notebook hdd in my homeserver. it's parking every couple seconds. now i read about some linux-notebookhdd-bug. does anyone know how to prevent the drive from doing this? |
| 01:42.15 | nebukad | im running the latest debian |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | turn off power management for the drive |
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| 01:42.30 | magdalene | Dulak: a *lot* of folks still see it as a point of pride to cut the chaff |
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| 01:42.45 | nebukad | you mean hdparm -B254 -S253 -M254 ? |
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| 01:43.06 | Dulak | nebukad: pcie_aspm=force is the kernel option you want to add to your bootloader |
| 01:43.32 | nebukad | what does it do and where do i add it |
| 01:44.05 | Dulak | It stops the parking problem, and you add it as a kernel boot option to whatever bootloader you are using (grub, lilo, etc) |
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| 01:44.35 | nebukad | im using grub |
| 01:44.59 | nebukad | could you tell me the path where to edit? |
| 01:45.03 | Dulak | nebukad: on mine it's in /etc/default/grub |
| 01:45.05 | nebukad | sorry i dont know too much about it |
| 01:45.15 | nebukad | ok |
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| 01:46.00 | MSTRCNVS | is it possible in the process of backporting a package that the deps of the package have another deps that will be not satisfied? |
| 01:46.26 | Dulak | nebukad: the line looks like this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="pcie_aspm=force quiet" |
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| 01:46.36 | luigi_v | back |
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| 01:46.46 | luigi_v | abrotman, nop, i can't move windows in that way |
| 01:47.11 | Dulak | nebukad: after you edit it, run 'update-grub' as root then reboot and verify it stopped the constant parking |
| 01:47.15 | nebukad | ok and then i reboot? |
| 01:47.21 | nebukad | ok |
| 01:47.37 | abrotman | luigi_v: weird ... |
| 01:48.24 | nebukad | Dulak, what could happen in the worst case? |
| 01:48.35 | nebukad | :) |
| 01:49.07 | luigi_v | abrotman, yeah well, only the desktop background and the mouse works in the second screen. The xorg configuration works perfect in gnome2 and xfce though |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | luigi_v: have you asked #gnome yet? |
| 01:49.57 | nebukad | brb |
| 01:50.01 | Dulak | nebukad: it won't hurt things, that just forces a specific power management mode that should be in most laptops now. If it doesn't correct the problem you can force apm off for the drive which for sure solves the problem |
| 01:50.30 | Dulak | nebukad: as a side note that line should also make your battery last longer |
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| 01:50.36 | luigi_v | abrotman, oh, i thought discussing the issue with high IQ people first, but gonna ask there anyway |
| 01:50.40 | nebukad | its not a notebook |
| 01:50.56 | nebukad | just a 2,5" rive |
| 01:50.58 | nebukad | drive |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | luigi_v: right, but gnome3 is fairly new in Debian .. |
| 01:51.15 | Dulak | nebukad: then take that line out and force apm off in /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 01:51.26 | Dulak | nebukad: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_hard_drive_clicking#Start-up_settings |
| 01:51.38 | nebukad | i already tried hdparm -B254 -S253 -M254 |
| 01:51.53 | Dulak | nebukad 255 |
| 01:52.02 | Dulak | nebukad: 255 forces it off |
| 01:53.25 | nebukad | its not helping |
| 01:53.49 | luigi_v | abrotman, yeah i found it in unstable just a couple of days ago |
| 01:53.58 | nebukad | Dulak, do i have to reboot or sth.? |
| 01:54.28 | Dulak | nebukad: if you used hdparm it should apply immediately |
| 01:54.39 | nebukad | ok.. |
| 01:54.42 | nebukad | its not changing :( |
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| 01:54.48 | Dulak | nebukad: you ran it as root right? like hdparm -B 255 /dev/sdX |
| 01:54.53 | nebukad | yes |
| 01:55.32 | nebukad | its clicking almost every 3-4 seconds |
| 01:55.50 | Dulak | nebukad: try 254 then, if that doesn't work I have no idea how you can force it off for that drive |
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| 01:56.40 | nebukad | its weird because the first day after the installation of debian it wasnt doing this |
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| 02:03.59 | n-iCe | abrotman: question, how important is in testing to update/upgrade? |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | n-iCe: you should do it fairly frequently |
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| 02:05.09 | n-iCe | abrotman: ok, thank you, last question if I update/upgrade and something went wrong or something I just did not like it, is there any way to restore? |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | n-iCe: use your backup |
| 02:06.56 | n-iCe | my backup, debian sabes backups images? |
| 02:06.59 | n-iCe | saves |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | no, you do |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | don't you? |
| 02:07.20 | luigi_v | chuckles. |
| 02:07.21 | n-iCe | no :o |
| 02:07.32 | n-iCe | let me format, and install testing, then we will talk about it |
| 02:07.35 | n-iCe | laughs |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | or wait and i'll tell you the easy way ... |
| 02:10.47 | unkmar | still waiting. |
| 02:11.11 | gnarface | ,versions mysql-server |
| 02:11.14 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1 |
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| 02:14.59 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 02:16.17 | abrotman | *blink* |
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| 02:17.22 | lkthomas | WTF, our local mirror iso image dir is empty |
| 02:17.56 | MSTRCNVS | I'm installing a package that have as dep multiarch-support, where I can find it? |
| 02:19.39 | abrotman | lkthomas: is this a huge problem ? |
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| 02:23.46 | lkthomas | local mirror is faster |
| 02:23.47 | lkthomas | anyway |
| 02:23.59 | lkthomas | if I want to do mininum installation, should I just get first DVD ? |
| 02:25.17 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 02:25.18 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 02:28.03 | luigi_v | abrotman, do you have a dual head configuration with gnome3 ? |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | luigi_v: a) no b) no :) |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | luigi_v: i haven't gone to gnome3 yet .. and my primary is a laptop tha ti don't do dual head on |
| 02:28.49 | luigi_v | :) |
| 02:29.02 | luigi_v | abrotman, ok |
| 02:29.11 | unkmar | luigi_v: I do. |
| 02:29.18 | lkthomas | beardy, if network is not available, can I just get DVD1 ? |
| 02:29.19 | unkmar | on my dekstop system. |
| 02:29.51 | unkmar | lkthomas: the packages available on the disks is sorted based on popularity. |
| 02:30.03 | luigi_v | unkmar, are you using a custom xorg.conf? or are you going full auto? |
| 02:30.13 | lkthomas | I just need mininum working system |
| 02:30.33 | unkmar | A truely minimal install can be done from a net-install. However.... |
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| 02:31.07 | unkmar | that only considers being bootable and navigable. Very few things are availble in a base-install. |
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| 02:32.06 | MSTRCNVS | arghx: nvidia-vdpau-driver is depending on multiarch-support, it's a good ideia to build multiarch-support to fill the dependencie and be able to install nvidia-glx? |
| 02:32.10 | unkmar | luigi_v: the first CD will likely provide most all you want. Using the first DVD should be icing on the cake. |
| 02:32.58 | luigi_v | unkmar, s/luigi_v/lkthomas ? |
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| 02:33.30 | unkmar | luigi_v: yep. |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | assume yes |
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| 02:33.59 | unkmar | luigi_v: I partially configured my xorg.conf. So no, it wasn't fully automatic in any way. |
| 02:34.44 | luigi_v | unkmar, there would be much of a trouble for you to show me that xorg.conf ? |
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| 02:35.57 | unkmar | luigi_v: my settings are partially dependant on the fact I am using an nvidia based card. |
| 02:36.34 | unkmar | luigi_v: My settings are mostly automatic and allow me to switch easily using xrandr. |
| 02:36.43 | luigi_v | unkmar, me too, I'm using an nvidia card and an intel |
| 02:36.51 | lkthomas | ok, thanks |
| 02:37.30 | luigi_v | unkmar, ok, that's the approach I'm trying to implement. |
| 02:38.49 | unkmar | 2 other bonuses in my setup are Compiz and when I maximize, the windows doesn't stretch across both screens. |
| 02:39.57 | luigi_v | nods. |
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| 02:40.49 | unkmar | luigi_v: http://pastebin.com/f69iWGvq |
| 02:41.24 | unkmar | there aren't really any comments explaining why things are set certain ways. |
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| 02:42.33 | luigi_v | it is quite readable, thanks :) |
| 02:43.03 | unkmar | luigi_v: The two "Monitor" sections are based on my two very different displays. Yours might can be more generic. |
| 02:43.05 | luigi_v | Ah, single card, twin view :) i have two cards :-/ |
| 02:43.39 | unkmar | luigi_v: I will have to setup a double twin-view on my Dad's again soon. but not today. |
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| 02:44.50 | luigi_v | unkmar, Oh, good luck!, but is you are using 2 nvidia cards for that, maybe you will be fine, .. |
| 02:45.01 | luigi_v | s/is/if |
| 02:45.03 | unkmar | I think that process requires Xinerma and dual xservers. I don't recall how or IF I managed to the windows to move between the xservers. |
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| 02:45.41 | unkmar | His are both nvidia and he will be using 4 screens. Hence, twin-view of one card won't be enough. |
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| 02:46.15 | unkmar | I can pastebin what he was using before the ubuntu upgrade blew up on me. |
| 02:46.17 | luigi_v | unkmar, yeah but i have seen configurations for that and apparently there is not much trouble. |
| 02:46.42 | unkmar | luigi_v: I have also gone cross card on one occassion. |
| 02:47.07 | luigi_v | unkmar, my dual head works great in anything but gnome3 :-/ |
| 02:47.15 | unkmar | ah, I see. |
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| 02:49.45 | luigi_v | maybe gnome3 requires some "new" feature not found in my intel card |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 02:50.21 | luigi_v | because if booting single screen using the intel card does not show all the gadgets of gnome 3 |
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| 02:51.31 | luigi_v | instead of the "activities" button and the hot corner, i just have the application/places with something that looks a standard gnome2 panel |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | luigi_v: long ago when gnome3 was sgtill beta .. i tried it on here .. worked fine (no dual head though) |
| 02:52.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I am worried that my aptitude safe-ugprade failed becuase of lack of space on var is there a switch to check what was installed and if it was configed right? |
| 02:52.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | like dpkg-reconfigure or something? |
| 02:53.13 | luigi_v | booting single screen with the nvidia card shows every feature of gnome-shell |
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| 02:54.07 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: aptitude -f install |
| 02:55.11 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: or dpkg --configure -a |
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| 02:57.29 | luigi_v | unkmar, thanks for U help |
| 02:57.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | k |
| 02:57.40 | luigi_v | and abrotman too |
| 02:58.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks abrotman it seems to of found a desc with java. |
| 02:59.42 | abrotman | luigi_v: if oyu come back during the day (Eastern US time) you might have more luck |
| 03:00.30 | luigi_v | abrotman, oh I will :) |
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| 03:12.23 | DJPressbox | got 3.0.4 kernel to boot - now time to slim |
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| 03:14.12 | iateadonut | if you've got a server running a bunch of websites on it, and you want yet another website but you think it might slow it down, is it better to increase the capacity of the server (ram and cpu) and also run bottleneck tests, or is there any advantage to getting another server? |
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| 03:16.46 | peterrooney | iateadonut: what indication is there that the server can't handle it? evidence. |
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| 03:24.26 | iateadonut | peterrooney, no evidence yet. i don't have access to the server just now. but it seems to be slowing down at certain times a day, and i've been told it is not because of the bandwidth. |
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| 03:27.53 | iateadonut | i guess no bottleneck tests have been run on that server... if i have root access to that server, do you know what good programs (debian or sourceforge) i should be using to test for bottlenecks (most sites are mysql php based)... i don't think they even have mysql slow query log enabled, so that's probably the first thing i would do. |
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| 03:36.56 | n-iCe | abrotman: testing 1 disc is KDE :< |
| 03:37.09 | n-iCe | is it easier to do a new clean install or to delete KDE desktop and install gnome? i don't like kde |
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| 03:39.22 | qiyong | is kfreebsd usable now? |
| 03:44.46 | iateadonut | chinese? |
| 03:45.00 | qiyong | non |
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| 03:52.15 | iateadonut | qiyong looks like pinyinization of a korean name, but i'm biased. what's qiyong? |
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| 04:04.03 | n-iCe | uhm, any other software to create a usb image beside unetbootin? is not running |
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| 04:07.03 | blink_ | is there a way to restrict a client's ability to go to parentdirectory using modautoindex (other than simply removing the reference by ignoring ..) |
| 04:07.10 | blink_ | apache2.2. sorry |
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| 04:08.02 | alphur | hi, im trying to mount my usb flash drive and my ntfs hd in thunar and im getting "not authorized" errors, am i missing something |
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| 04:08.25 | Blue1 | alphur: how are you trying to mount it? |
| 04:08.31 | alphur | clicking it on thunar |
| 04:08.36 | alphur | from the left pane |
| 04:08.50 | Rusty1 | blink_: there is a #httpd channel |
| 04:08.58 | Blue1 | alphur: pardon my dumbness what is thunar? |
| 04:09.08 | alphur | a file manager |
| 04:09.29 | alphur | like nautilus and so |
| 04:09.40 | Blue1 | alphur: well this may/may not help: http://pkill-9.com/mount-usb-micro-sd-card-linux-automount/ |
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| 04:10.11 | alphur | ok thanks |
| 04:11.05 | Blue1 | alphur: it's longish (apologies) but has helped a lot of people -- hope this helps you |
| 04:11.12 | alphur | ok, checked it out Blue1 and it doesn't sound what i was looking for |
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| 04:12.46 | alphur | i did get mounting down, but i want automounting |
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| 04:16.02 | alphur | ok, i got it |
| 04:16.14 | alphur | i put my UUIDs and my options in /etc/fstab |
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| 04:16.22 | alphur | thanks Blue1 |
| 04:16.35 | Blue1 | alphur: did that work? |
| 04:16.38 | alphur | yes |
| 04:16.51 | Blue1 | alphur: you owe me a cup of coffee! congrats! |
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| 04:18.34 | Spaceghost | Hello. |
| 04:18.34 | Spaceghost | I would like to remap my key of the keyboard to the Right Click for to be like a click in the wheel or whatever it's called. |
| 04:18.34 | Spaceghost | I mean, for scroll down and that more easy, in the case of Windows I could do it with two fingers in the touchpad, but here two fingers is for the right click, which I think is better, I mean, more useful, but now is very hard for me do scroll, I would like do with that key of the keyboard. |
| 04:19.34 | alphur | have you tried xmodmap? |
| 04:19.45 | DJPressbox | stupidly i deleted my /boot/ folder... now i'm rebuilding it, and but more importantly my kernel... and now all the modules have to be recompiled.... i wasn't aware that the modules were compiled/stored in the /boot/ directory.... |
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| 04:20.05 | in2tactics | modules should not be stored in the /boot |
| 04:20.33 | DJPressbox | right... then why is it having to rebuild the kernel from scratch.. |
| 04:21.32 | Spaceghost | alphur: no, I opened it now, but I am not sure of what is the name of this key there. |
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| 04:21.39 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: i am not sure what you are rebuilding but you should be able to recopy your bzImage from your source folder and install your modules again |
| 04:21.41 | Spaceghost | The key of the keyboard for the right click. |
| 04:21.44 | Spaceghost | uhm |
| 04:21.57 | alphur | hold a sec |
| 04:22.37 | DJPressbox | in2tactics, i believe you... but when i run "make && make modules_install" again after deleting my /boot folder its now rebuilding each module as apposed to not... |
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| 04:23.07 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: did you build your kernel custom to begin with? |
| 04:23.14 | DJPressbox | yes |
| 04:23.26 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: did you do a make clean afterwards? |
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| 04:23.36 | DJPressbox | nope |
| 04:23.55 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: then it should just go super fast and install the modules again |
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| 04:24.16 | DJPressbox | I KNOW!!!! But its not!!! |
| 04:24.18 | DJPressbox | lol |
| 04:24.26 | DJPressbox | that's what i'm sayin' |
| 04:24.47 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: even if you did have to actually recompile them, they should not take anymore than 2-3min tops |
| 04:24.48 | DJPressbox | so clearly something is being stored or referenced in that folder... |
| 04:25.06 | DJPressbox | not when there's 1800+ modules.. |
| 04:25.07 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: well your system.map file was in there |
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| 04:25.35 | DJPressbox | what's that do ? |
| 04:25.35 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: 1800 modules? |
| 04:25.51 | DJPressbox | yah, the default selection for 3.0.4 has 2500 modules |
| 04:26.00 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: why didn't you cut down your modules to the ones you actually needed? |
| 04:26.09 | DJPressbox | i'm slimmin' it down... so far got it down bellow 1800 |
| 04:26.45 | DJPressbox | and i thought i did know what i need -- but apparently not because when i selected what i thought to be the bare minimum, it doesn't boot |
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| 04:26.56 | DJPressbox | so i'm taking a slower more methodical approach now |
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| 04:27.59 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: that just seems like an excessive amount of modules |
| 04:28.05 | DJPressbox | i agree |
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| 04:29.00 | n-iCe_ | hola |
| 04:29.09 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: btw, your modules should be stored in /lib/modules |
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| 04:29.23 | n-iCe_ | popkill: estás? |
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| 04:30.53 | DJPressbox | in2tactics, that's what i thought... and i thought the make file would reference that for changes to determine if the module need to be rebuilt or removed... |
| 04:30.56 | DJPressbox | apparently not |
| 04:31.05 | DJPressbox | so now i'm confused as to how this whole thing works... |
| 04:31.21 | DJPressbox | is convinced it's just black magic |
| 04:31.40 | in2tactics | lol |
| 04:32.07 | DJPressbox | so what's in the system.map file ? |
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| 04:33.24 | in2tactics | it's a symbol table |
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| 04:33.52 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: it does something with referencing memory addresses for the kernel |
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| 04:42.56 | DJPressbox | my machine relies on a scsi driver to boot.... not sure why this is... |
| 04:43.26 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: it's cause you have a sata drive |
| 04:44.00 | DJPressbox | ????????????????????????? |
| 04:44.15 | DJPressbox | i thought these were two different technologies... |
| 04:44.21 | in2tactics | they are |
| 04:44.35 | DJPressbox | ?? connect the dots ?? |
| 04:44.46 | DJPressbox | cuz now i'm becoming a firm believer in black magic |
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| 04:46.44 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: the kernel talks to the sata drive as if it were on a scsi bus |
| 04:47.03 | DJPressbox | so what modules do i need in scsi ?? |
| 04:47.04 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: the technologies are similiar more so than EIDE was |
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| 04:47.36 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: i'm pretty sure i always just enabled the generic scsi drivers not any specific controller |
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| 04:50.25 | DJPressbox | ok.. |
| 04:50.35 | DJPressbox | well i bricked my machine so i'll have to try that tomorrow |
| 04:50.43 | DJPressbox | err later today since it's tuesday where i am |
| 04:51.09 | in2tactics | DJPressbox: that's no fun good luck |
| 04:51.50 | DJPressbox | thanks - and thanks for your help - sorry if my animated responses came off harsh towards you -- you should know that's not the case at all |
| 04:52.01 | DJPressbox | i'm just perplexed by the complexities of this software |
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| 04:59.11 | qiyong | is kfreebsd usable now? |
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| 05:00.26 | jsoft | Anyone here use grsecurity in some form on their normal workstations? |
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| 05:00.30 | jsoft | slash laptops? |
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| 05:05.18 | Spaceghost | I would like to remap my key of the keyboard to the Right Click for to be like a click in the wheel or whatever it's called. |
| 05:05.21 | Spaceghost | alphur: no, I opened it now, but I am not sure of what is the name of this key there. |
| 05:05.27 | Spaceghost | I mean, for scroll down and that more easy, in the case of Windows I could do it with two fingers in the touchpad, but here two fingers is for the right click, which I think is better, I mean, more useful, but now is very hard for me do scroll, I would like do with that key of the keyboard. |
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| 05:28.32 | pianist | Good Nigth |
| 05:28.36 | pianist | Greetings! |
| 05:29.01 | Spaceghost | Hello. |
| 05:29.21 | pianist | Como hago para limitar el ancho de banda utilizando debian |
| 05:29.25 | pianist | How do I limit bandwidth using debian? |
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| 05:30.12 | qiyong | pianist: iptable |
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| 05:30.27 | pianist | Bandwidth Balancer |
| 05:30.33 | pianist | qiyongongon |
| 05:31.00 | qiyong | pianist: hora |
| 05:31.26 | pianist | IPFire is a firewall, iptables has an option but I get in web format, I am new to this can you give me documentation, please |
| 05:31.34 | pianist | qiyongong |
| 05:31.45 | pianist | do yo speak spanish? |
| 05:32.02 | cromag | !es |
| 05:32.03 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 05:32.06 | cromag | helps ? |
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| 05:32.45 | qiyong | pianist: si |
| 05:33.05 | qiyong | avec vortaro |
| 05:33.30 | pianist | al fin man llevo semanas tratando de controlar el ancho de banda tengo 5 interfaces de red |
| 05:33.34 | pianist | perdón 3 |
| 05:33.42 | pianist | red green y orange |
| 05:33.50 | pianist | pero la orange me quita todo el ancho de banda |
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| 05:34.11 | pianist | tengo ipfire me parece muy bueno mejor que smothwall pero no he dado con la herramienta para controlar el ancho de banda |
| 05:34.29 | pianist | tengo una conexión de 1mg 1024kbps con 512 de subida! |
| 05:34.54 | pianist | me dices que con iptable se puede realizar pero como hago eso man soy novato si tienes documentación para ponerme al dÃa |
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| 05:35.52 | pianist | y gracias por todo qiyong |
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| 05:37.20 | pianist | man estas? |
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| 05:43.36 | pianist | mmm creo que me dejaron solo no |
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| 05:50.52 | qiyong | pianist: esperar |
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| 05:53.40 | qiyong | pianist: mirar tc |
| 05:53.53 | qiyong | pianist: /sbin/tc |
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| 05:54.16 | qiyong | pianist: iptables + tc |
| 05:54.36 | qiyong | iptables se puede hacer |
| 05:56.58 | pianist | ah ok |
| 05:57.20 | pianist | gracias man pero era para saber si tiense documentación asi pa brutos como yo pues |
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| 05:58.14 | wckd | pianist: #debian-es |
| 05:59.25 | pianist | wckd |
| 05:59.28 | pianist | on that channel I have answered in this channel to give me a response function concise! |
| 06:00.23 | tensorpudding | recomiendo ufw |
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| 06:01.04 | tensorpudding | en lugar de iptables |
| 06:01.10 | tensorpudding | es mas facil |
| 06:02.01 | tensorpudding | well, it can't do any hardcore packet shaping |
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| 06:08.34 | qiyong | pianist: non c'est complexe |
| 06:09.23 | qiyong | pianist: no, es complejo |
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| 06:12.57 | pianist | bueno intetare gracias qiyong |
| 06:17.37 | jemadux | do we know when gnome-shell will be on testing ? |
| 06:17.49 | Spaceghost | I would like to remap my key of the keyboard to the Right Click for to be like a click in the wheel or whatever it's called. |
| 06:17.54 | Spaceghost | I mean, for scroll down and that more easy, in the case of Windows I could do it with two fingers in the touchpad, but here two fingers is for the right click, which I think is better, I mean, more useful, but now is very hard for me do scroll, I would like do with that key of the keyboard. |
| 06:18.01 | Spaceghost | Any idea? |
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| 06:28.52 | arghx | ,versions gnome-shell |
| 06:28.55 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- sid: 3.0.2-5 |
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| 06:38.21 | arj1singh | Hi, how do I install LibreOffice in Squeeze? |
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| 06:39.45 | kuznetzvo-afk | uninstall openoffice first then install libreoffice? |
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| 06:40.46 | arghx | ,versions libreoffice |
| 06:40.48 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1:3.4.3-4; wheezy: 1:3.4.3-4 |
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| 06:41.06 | arghx | arj1singh: get it from backports. /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:41.20 | arj1singh | arghx, Ok thanks. |
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| 06:45.58 | urbee | Hi guys. I've got a small issue - i'm using 5 ip addresses on my linux server but debian keeps using the secondary IP (eth0:1) to connect outside the machine - eg, i ssh from debian to other linux machines with the secondary IP instead of primary (eth0). And this is bugging me because i need to add different IP's to firewalls, etc, instead of just using one. What am i doing wrong? |
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| 06:47.44 | urbee | default route? |
| 06:47.56 | stack | hello, does anyone use/j #duplicity |
| 06:48.16 | stack | sorry for the previous message |
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| 06:49.35 | stack | hello, does anyone uses duplicity? I launched a backup 10hours ago and it is hanging with this message Running 'sftp -oServerAliveInterval=15 -oServerAliveCountMax=1 stack@192.168.2.2' failed (attempt #1) , on the remote host I don't see any sftp process but I see some archives..is that ok? |
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| 07:11.09 | cousin_luigi | hello |
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| 07:12.24 | cousin_luigi | has seen the weirdest thing today: this http://pastebin.com/pRQ2PNiW right after ssh login. |
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| 07:14.19 | cousin_luigi | It acted like a motd, but I haven't any. |
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| 07:16.13 | liiwi | cousin_luigi: either motd file or login banner got replaced or something's being run from your login scripts and it gives the output. |
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| 07:23.06 | jsoft | Anyone here use grsecurity in some form on their normal workstations? |
| 07:24.31 | ghoulsblade | hi all, old server with debian etch here, in a xen vm if that matters, system time is off by half an hour, yesterday i installed ntpd rather than ntpdate-debian used previously, and was told to wait, but it's still half an hour off, how can i fix it ? |
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| 07:31.59 | ompaul | ghoulsblade: what does this server serve? |
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| 07:35.00 | ghoulsblade | internal mails mainly |
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| 07:36.05 | ompaul | ghoulsblade: ok mail servers don't like time changes, so you have a choice, reboot it and hope it picks up the time or leave it be |
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| 07:37.06 | ghoulsblade | so rebooting should fix it ? okies, worth a try |
| 07:37.25 | ompaul | if you set ntpd up right |
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| 07:39.04 | ghoulsblade | i'm surprised it's so difficult setting the time correctly, i can see that a gradual time increment would be more desirable than a hard jump in some cases, but at least i would have expected a force flag or option |
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| 07:40.07 | ghoulsblade | and it did have a cronjob entry for ntpdate-debian , so it shouldn't have such a huge offset in the first place |
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| 07:42.53 | ghoulsblade | damn, 200+ days uptime it seems according to fsck ^^ |
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| 07:45.20 | huglester | ghoulsblade: ntpdate ntp.server.com |
| 07:45.29 | huglester | ghoulsblade: also make sure you're on right time zone |
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| 07:48.12 | ghoulsblade | huglester, "the NTP socket is in use", i was told to install ntpd yesterday. still 25 minutes off or so, so maybe restarting it helped a tiny bit, but still far from fixed |
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| 07:48.44 | huglester | strange. you just run ntpdate - it's a client, so no daemon will be running... |
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| 07:50.40 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade, huglester: ntpdate does not work if ntpd is started. That's the reason for the "socket in use" message. |
| 07:51.02 | jelly-home | has a feeling of deja vu |
| 07:51.10 | cousin_luigi | has seen the weirdest thing today: this http://pastebin.com/pRQ2PNiW right after ssh login. I have no /etc/motd nor /etc/issue on my system. Also the problem is intermittent. What would you look at? |
| 07:51.14 | ghoulsblade | after /etc/init.d/ntp stop it did sth. ntp.server.com wasn't found , so i used 1.debian.pool.ntp.org , it reported "step time server 131.234.137.24 offset -1164.707460 sec" but actual systemtime is still off |
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| 07:51.31 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: did yuo say you have a physical or a virtual machine? |
| 07:51.35 | ghoulsblade | jelly : i was here yesterday too, waiting didn't help at all, was still half an hour off |
| 07:51.54 | ghoulsblade | it's a xen vm, not sure how&if that has an effect on time |
| 07:52.13 | jelly-home | ghoulsblade: it might be configured to get its time from the host |
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| 07:52.33 | jelly-home | and if the host is misconfigured... |
| 07:52.40 | zamba | i was playing with iproute2 and trying to get policy-based routing working.. i then continued to flush the ip rule thingy and now i'm no longer able to bring the network up |
| 07:52.44 | zamba | what have i done? |
| 07:52.51 | zamba | i've tried restarting the network, but to no avail |
| 07:53.23 | zamba | 32766:from all lookup main |
| 07:53.23 | zamba | 32767:from all lookup default |
| 07:53.28 | zamba | i seem to be lacking those two now |
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| 07:53.43 | ghoulsblade | aah okies, the host time DOES seem to be off, i thought it was independent |
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| 07:57.37 | ghoulsblade | ntpdate pool.ntp.org -> no server suitable for synchronization found ?? uh, getting weirder and weirder |
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| 07:58.15 | dwfreed | ghoulsblade: try ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 07:58.15 | ompaul | ntpdate ip-of-host |
| 07:58.19 | jsoft | Cant someone explain what linux-patch-grsecurity2 is supposed to do? Does it just operate on some old as kernel source or what? |
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| 07:58.26 | jsoft | s/Cant/Can/ |
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| 08:02.11 | tdn | I am currently on a corporate network which requires me to use a proxy autoconfiguration file (.PAC) to set up proxy settings, before I can access outside HTTP/HTTPS. How do I configure apt-get/aptitude to use these proxy settings? |
| 08:02.41 | tdn | Please note that I cannot just use the http_proxy env variable as I have to use the PAC file. |
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| 08:03.31 | Lunastyx | plop |
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| 08:04.03 | Lunastyx | I've installed a debian testing on a toshiba laptop, with a 3.0 kernel |
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| 08:04.44 | Lunastyx | But the screen is striped and unreadable |
| 08:05.00 | Lunastyx | Fortunately I've a ssh access |
| 08:05.15 | Lunastyx | What could be the problem ? |
| 08:05.28 | liiwi | tdn: you can read the pac file and get correct information from it, just open it. |
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| 08:07.12 | ompaul | Lunastyx: the fact that it is testing makes me think that your X is broken try an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot |
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| 08:07.33 | ompaul | Lunastyx: also try CTRL ALT F1 |
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| 08:09.29 | arghx | Lunastyx: optimus? |
| 08:09.43 | Lunastyx | ompaul: in the same in a tty, whereas at CTRL + ALT + F7 the is a white square for the mouse |
| 08:10.17 | ompaul | Lunastyx: ooch |
| 08:10.22 | Lunastyx | arghx: satellite A300 |
| 08:11.11 | Lunastyx | ompaul: strangely grub work fine, there is even a image at the background X) |
| 08:12.08 | Lunastyx | After a few lines of boot the screen change into a pink/dark/white/unreadable/striped screen |
| 08:13.09 | Lunastyx | ompaul: you always thing that « apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade » would be a possible way to solve the problem ? :/ |
| 08:13.34 | ompaul | Lunastyx: it gets you to the latest version |
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| 08:19.16 | Lunastyx | ompaul: ok, I've run the command |
| 08:19.22 | Lunastyx | runned* |
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| 08:19.35 | ompaul | Lunastyx: reboot |
| 08:19.53 | Lunastyx | ran* >.> |
| 08:20.14 | Lunastyx | There is 7min left ^^ |
| 08:21.23 | simonlnu | 'run' was ok too |
| 08:22.02 | Lunastyx | ok thx simonlnu :] |
| 08:22.14 | Lunastyx | is french é_è |
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| 08:34.20 | simonlnu | Lunastyx: actually i think you were right with 'ran' ^_^ |
| 08:35.16 | colo-work | run - ran - run |
| 08:35.19 | colo-work | iirc |
| 08:35.23 | colo-work | (not a native speaker myself) |
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| 08:37.17 | ompaul | Lunastyx: I ran the command is good as is (I have / I've run) the command runned is not a word |
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| 08:37.40 | ompaul | I'm running is also good |
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| 08:37.50 | ompaul | that would be current, all others are past tense |
| 08:40.05 | arghx | lasstlog arghx |
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| 08:41.01 | arghx | Lunastyx: optimus means you have two videocards, one intel and one ati/nvidia |
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| 09:05.24 | Efazati | i want create user for ssh tunnel without any permission ... how create it ? |
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| 09:05.50 | sickgut | thats most likely caused by people adding an after market video card to their computer and not disabling the existing onboard on in the bios. |
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| 09:06.17 | sickgut | adduser <username> |
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| 09:06.48 | sickgut | just the default permissions doesnt let the user write to important stuff |
| 09:07.31 | sickgut | and once created you can telnet, ftp or ssh into your server using the new user immediately in most cases |
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| 09:09.01 | sickgut | the default permissions only lets the user write in their /home/username dir, and you can stop this by deleting the /home/username dir |
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| 09:10.26 | tdn | liiwi, I have opened the PAC file, but it is non-trivial. It is not just "use this proxy". It is more like: "use this proxy for these networks, and use this other proxy for these other networks, and these networks should not use proxy, and so on." How do I configure apt-get for this? |
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| 09:12.20 | arghx | sickgut: that's not really enough since that user can still run programs for example. |
| 09:13.20 | arghx | sickgut: and for the videocard, he has a laptop. and with optimus exactly that happens: 2 videocard at the same time which might confuse Xorg |
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| 09:15.23 | sickgut | why the hell would they make a laptop with 2x video cards in it, is one of them an external USB 2.0 type for use with an extra monitor?.... but they are mostly SiS chipsets..... |
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| 09:16.11 | F0lk | is there a list with latest debian stable tree updates? |
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| 09:17.02 | dvv | salve |
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| 09:19.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | F0lk: what do you mean? |
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| 09:22.51 | F0lk | nvm, i'll first have a look at kernel changelog |
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| 09:24.07 | themill | F0lk: I don't think anyone understands what you want to know |
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| 09:26.34 | nander | When formatting Ubuntu and installing debian instead, what directories should I backup? |
| 09:26.43 | nander | $home, /var/www, what else? |
| 09:27.47 | Efazati | sickgut, what about sudo ? |
| 09:27.52 | gernot | nander, /etc, /root ... |
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| 09:28.10 | heisenmink | how do I make a call graph? |
| 09:28.17 | nander | I mean: where can I expect my own data |
| 09:28.20 | heisenmink | I found cflow but I can't use the output for anything |
| 09:28.24 | nander | I don't need the software to return |
| 09:28.28 | nander | Just my personal data |
| 09:28.29 | themill | dpkg: tell nander about things to backup |
| 09:28.31 | heisenmink | and cflow2dit isn't installed here |
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| 09:29.34 | sickgut | Efazatisickgut, what about sudo ? <----- what you mean? if you are root you can su to the new user. if you are the new user you can sudo as root if you supply the root password or su as root, but you cant sudo -i automatically |
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| 09:30.32 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:32.03 | F0lk | i get kernel panics after rebooting with kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 - looks like the panic appears on loading iptables - System was running fine last few month, with 2.6.32-5 - Now running only with old 2.6.26 - I was looking for a "changelog" where i can find information about the last updates for pakages in debian stable (+ security tree) |
| 09:32.43 | tdn | I am currently on a corporate network which requires me to use a proxy autoconfiguration file (.PAC) to set up proxy settings, before I can access outside HTTP/HTTPS. How do I configure apt-get/aptitude to use these proxy settings? |
| 09:32.47 | tdn | Please note that I cannot just use the http_proxy env variable as I have to use the PAC file. I have opened the PAC file, but it is non-trivial. It is not just "use this proxy". It is more like: "use this proxy for these networks, and use this other proxy for these other networks, and these networks should not use proxy, and so on." How do I configure apt-get for this? |
| 09:32.51 | arghx | nander: depends on what the machine does. /var has mail, mysql DBs and such. but lots of other things too like the package database, logs |
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| 09:33.46 | themill | F0lk: /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 09:34.53 | sysmonk | maybe anyone is good enough with kernel debugging? I've got an issue that when trying to bind to a port i get EADDRINUSE, although the port is definetly not used (it's not in lsof/netstat or /proc/net/tcp or anywhere else) |
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| 09:35.59 | arghx | sysmonk: tried to connect to that port? |
| 09:36.06 | Jorky | Hello. Curently I use ubuntu but I am thinking to switch to debian. Is debian more complicated to setup an instal and can I use office tools such (libreoffice) in debian squezze? Thnx |
| 09:36.21 | arghx | ,versions libreoffice |
| 09:36.23 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1:3.4.3-4; wheezy: 1:3.4.3-4 |
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| 09:36.37 | arghx | Jorky: the ubuntu alternate installer is the debian installer. so it's not complicated to setup |
| 09:36.52 | arghx | and as you can see, debian backports has libreoffice in a current version |
| 09:37.00 | sysmonk | arghx: yep, no success |
| 09:37.15 | Jorky | arghx: is switching to debian smart choice? |
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| 09:37.52 | arghx | Jorky: please check again where you are. are you asking Microsoft salespeople too "Is it a good idea to use Windows server"? |
| 09:37.55 | Jorky | arghx: I use pc only for office tools and video, internet |
| 09:38.13 | Jorky | hehe no no |
| 09:38.27 | Jorky | I mean about stabillity of debian |
| 09:38.53 | arghx | Debian is a distro which values Freedom more and and convienence less than ubuntu |
| 09:39.04 | arghx | what do you mean with stability? |
| 09:39.10 | sysmonk | arghx: any other ideas? |
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| 09:39.21 | arghx | sysmonk: not really. reboot? |
| 09:39.33 | Jorky | I am newbie in debian so I just ask and I see that debiab people are arogant so I just pick another more opensource distro such as trisquel or gnewsense. |
| 09:39.40 | Jorky | thnx |
| 09:39.41 | Jorky | bye |
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| 09:39.57 | arghx | huh? have I been arrogant here? |
| 09:40.02 | sysmonk | arghx: if i was a windows guy then maybe that would be a solution :P |
| 09:40.08 | sysmonk | but as far as i know it won't help |
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| 09:40.18 | sysmonk | when starting one of the softwares it tries to bind there and gets the same error |
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| 09:40.35 | Thomas`- | hi all. does anyone know how to get the mysql driver for pdo working? |
| 09:40.41 | sysmonk | probably it tries to bind but something fails in the kernel and it is added to the internal hash |
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| 09:40.47 | sysmonk | but not dumped to the /proc/net/tcp |
| 09:40.53 | arghx | Thomas`-: you install the php5-mysql package and you are done |
| 09:41.15 | Thomas`- | arghx, thanks i'll try |
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| 09:44.03 | Almtesh | Hi, someone knows if I can install gnome 2 on Sid? |
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| 09:45.15 | boudiccas | Almtesh; sorry, someone left several minutes ago, you missed him! |
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| 09:45.47 | Almtesh | boudiccas, you know when he comes back ? |
| 09:45.58 | boudiccas | Almtesh; who knows |
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| 09:46.21 | robokop | !ask |
| 09:46.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:46.41 | Almtesh | Who, can you tell me when someone comes back? |
| 09:46.56 | robokop | dpkg, tell Almtesh about ask |
| 09:47.00 | Almtesh | OK robokop. |
| 09:47.13 | Almtesh | I have a proble with gnome 2 in Debian Sid. |
| 09:47.31 | Almtesh | When I try to install, I can't because packet does not seem to exist. |
| 09:47.53 | Almtesh | I execpted it to install gnome 2 on my Debian Sid. |
| 09:48.05 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 09:48.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:48.21 | themill | !gnome3 |
| 09:48.21 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
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| 09:48.47 | Almtesh | themill, I have gnome 3 installed, I want gnome 2. |
| 09:48.56 | themill | Almtesh: so don't use sid |
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| 09:49.31 | Almtesh | If I understand everything well, I can't use gnome2 on Debian Sid. |
| 09:51.32 | Posterdati | hi |
| 09:51.45 | Posterdati | please how can I share an external usb hd using nfs? |
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| 09:52.42 | Almtesh | Posterdati, I suppose you want to add dynamicly the share when you plug in the hard drive. |
| 09:52.51 | Posterdati | Almtesh: yes |
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| 09:53.04 | Posterdati | Almtesh: I'm modifying /etc/exports |
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| 09:53.31 | Almtesh | Posterdati, so, I shut up because I don't have a clue how to do that. |
| 09:53.38 | Posterdati | ok |
| 09:53.49 | Almtesh | is mute. |
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| 10:01.22 | robokop | Posterdati: exportfs can add shares to nfs without editing /etc/exports |
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| 10:01.56 | nander | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.56 | Posterdati | I did it fixed using /etc/exports |
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| 10:02.21 | Posterdati | robokop: then I used autofs on the client |
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| 10:05.06 | liiwi | tdn: sorry about the delay. If you need to use proxy to access the mirror (check which..) then just use it :) |
| 10:05.44 | yalu_ | anyone using pam-cracklib? it checks passwords when changing them. I'd like to use it repressively though, not allowing users with weak passwords to log in |
| 10:06.33 | nander | What debian version should I use as a desktop user that doesn't want fuzz? Stable? |
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| 10:06.52 | tdn | liiwi, there are multiple sources in various network locations. Even some internal company mirrors that should not use proxy. |
| 10:07.12 | themill | nander: I always recommend stable. All my machines run stable (desktops, laptops, servers, ...) |
| 10:07.25 | nander | What are the advantages of unstable? |
| 10:08.05 | nander | Well, I'll just do stable, I'm fed up with weird things going on (ubuntu loves doing 'weird things') |
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| 10:10.32 | yalu_ | I used to mix distributions of Debian on the desktop (stable and testing mostly) |
| 10:11.19 | yalu_ | because of Debian's infrequent releases and relatively old software... but these days you don't need the latest and greatest anymore to have a fully functional and nice desktop. |
| 10:12.09 | nander | What gnome version does stable have? |
| 10:12.41 | robokop | ,versions gnome |
| 10:12.41 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:2.30+11; sid: 1:3.0+2 |
| 10:12.47 | liiwi | tdn: apt-cacher-ng or apt-proxy might be the tool then |
| 10:13.10 | nander | So only sid has 3.0 |
| 10:13.17 | nander | Gnome 3.0 isn't stable yet? |
| 10:13.18 | themill | nander: for the next week or so |
| 10:13.26 | themill | dpkg: tell nander about stable |
| 10:13.34 | bzrk | nander: its a bit buggy still on sid |
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| 10:13.53 | tdn | liiwi, ok. I thouhgt apt-get would be able to handle a PAC file. Isn't apt-proxy depricated? |
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| 10:15.14 | yalu_ | so that's one more reason not to use sid |
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| 10:15.39 | simonlnu | omg it's a liiwi |
| 10:15.46 | bzrk | if you just want a hassle free desktop use testing |
| 10:15.50 | simonlnu | << aka simonrvn |
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| 10:16.04 | nander | why testing and not stable? |
| 10:16.22 | bzrk | stable is too old for my taste |
| 10:16.31 | bzrk | fine on servers, not so great for desktop use |
| 10:16.48 | nkuttler | nander: testing certainly isn't hassle free |
| 10:17.12 | nander | I'll do stable.. :) |
| 10:17.29 | bzrk | nander: im using testing as my main desktop for like 5 years now, never had any issues |
| 10:17.30 | nander | It's not like much changed with gnome etc. |
| 10:17.40 | bzrk | nander: so if you find stable lacking, give testing a shot |
| 10:17.53 | nander | Can you change without doing a full reinstall? |
| 10:17.53 | simonlnu | and you probably want to stick with gnome 2 for a whie longer anyway ;) |
| 10:18.00 | simonlnu | while* |
| 10:18.03 | bzrk | nander: yes |
| 10:18.13 | bzrk | very easily |
| 10:18.21 | simonlnu | one of debian's many strengths |
| 10:18.45 | nander | I'm going to the local ICT store to grab some CD's |
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| 10:19.50 | nander | surfnet mirror :) |
| 10:20.02 | nander | That's direct internet backbone for me |
| 10:20.03 | liiwi | *blink* Simon? |
| 10:20.10 | nander | And that means: updating with 11 MB/s |
| 10:20.34 | robokop | only 11? |
| 10:20.47 | nander | MB, not Mb |
| 10:20.53 | liiwi | tdn: never seen pac files used with it. and yes, apt-cacher clones replacing it. |
| 10:21.08 | robokop | i saw that, i just love my gigabit link |
| 10:21.22 | nander | They say they're going to switch to gigabit here soon |
| 10:21.32 | nander | 11 MB/s is not bad for a desktop |
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| 10:27.24 | blauefuesse | hi. is there a tool in Debian to add 2 or more pdf files into one ? |
| 10:27.45 | themill | blauefuesse: pdftk or pdfsam |
| 10:28.05 | blauefuesse | thanks ;-) |
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| 10:30.43 | simonlnu | liiwi: LTNS |
| 10:31.21 | liiwi | simonlnu: heh, been so long I don't even remember the year :) |
| 10:31.26 | tdn | liiwi, ok. Thanks. |
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| 10:31.57 | StaRetji | Hi all |
| 10:32.39 | StaRetji | I need some help or tip at least. Is there a way to reboot your PC like when you do shutdown and power on? |
| 10:32.52 | simonlnu | liiwi: 2006, 2007? maybe? |
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| 10:33.16 | liiwi | simonlnu: yeah, half a decade easily |
| 10:33.17 | StaRetji | I'm having some problems if pc is rebooted, but if I power off and power on, no problems. |
| 10:33.34 | Efazati | sickgut, i want give user ssh tunnel ... i want dont use any command or sudo... how i can do it? delete it from sudo er and delete home folder but what about other code? like wget ? or other things? |
| 10:33.39 | StaRetji | I don't mind doing power off and on, but pc is remote :/ |
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| 10:37.26 | sickgut | unless they now the root password they cant sudo to root |
| 10:37.35 | sickgut | now * know |
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| 10:37.47 | liiwi | StaRetji: remote accessible power bar is safest choise. Can't remember if any bioses have cold boot features. |
| 10:38.02 | sickgut | but i dont particularly know the technical way of doing this |
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| 10:39.21 | sickgut | ive done something similar in the past and just used the default adduser and deleted their home folder and they couldnt really do anything to compromise the system |
| 10:39.39 | sickgut | if you completely want them to not be able to read config files etc then i dont know |
| 10:39.45 | sickgut | but this way they cant change anything |
| 10:39.59 | sickgut | and they cant do anything to mess up your server |
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| 10:40.24 | sickgut | they cant even wget anything because they wont have permission to save it |
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| 10:40.39 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:41.14 | cek | hi guys. I've got question about 2.6.32 xen pvops. does it support mem balooning and online disk resize? |
| 10:41.24 | cek | or rather, were these feature backported? thanks |
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| 10:44.51 | lamah | how can i list pid signals? |
| 10:45.01 | StaRetji | liiwi: thx for reply, that is hardware solution, right? |
| 10:45.48 | nander | I'm using windows disk burner to burn the debian install disk |
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| 10:45.52 | nander | I'm gonna laugh hard if it fails |
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| 10:47.07 | StaRetji | liiwi: I've tried reboot=cold but that didn't help. |
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| 10:48.42 | StaRetji | my problem here is crazy, I have Huawei usg gsm modem, which by default is in mass storage state, so my debian pc is autodetecting USB mass storage devices and for some reason, if it is not cold boot, it scans Huawei Mass storage for about 5 minutes |
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| 10:49.02 | StaRetji | and after that it boots |
| 10:49.04 | StaRetji | heh |
| 10:49.07 | nander | I'm gonna give debian 140 GB |
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| 10:49.28 | nander | 40GB wasn't enough, I'm moving all my data to another partition and resizing the debian partition to 140 GB |
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| 10:56.42 | liiwi | StaRetji: yup, many vendors have them. |
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| 10:57.41 | StaRetji | well, will have to wait some time as it is 2000km away lol |
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| 11:09.09 | nander | Installation time :) |
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| 11:13.29 | nander | Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. The firmware can eb loaded from removable media, such as a USB stick or floppy |
| 11:13.51 | nander | The missing firmware files are: iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode iwlwifi-5000.1.ucode |
| 11:14.12 | nander | No works fine |
| 11:14.31 | ksx4system | u've got crappy wi-fi card I think... |
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| 11:14.46 | themill | dpkg: tell nander about iwlagn |
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| 11:21.29 | rypervenche | How can I set up a bridge from my laptop (which is connected to the Internet wirelessly) to my desktop (using an ethernet cable)? I have tried several guides, but they are all written for bridges between two ethernet ports. |
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| 11:22.47 | rypervenche | (I'm using Xfce by the way, so I can't use the Network Manager method) |
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| 11:23.44 | abaddon | ryan-c wlan0 == eth0, as far as your concerned |
| 11:24.07 | abaddon | i mean rypervenche , sorry |
| 11:24.23 | rypervenche | abaddon: I tried doing that but it said that wlan0 was unable to be added to the bridge. |
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| 11:25.08 | abaddon | you're just trying to give internet to the other pc? you dont need a bridge necessarily, you could do nat masquarading |
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| 11:26.25 | abaddon | i think you're right about the bridge not working, theyre different link layers involved |
| 11:26.28 | StaRetji | hm, maybe workaround...Is there a way to force which disk will be used upon reboot? |
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| 11:28.38 | arghx | force where? for booting? |
| 11:28.47 | StaRetji | yes |
| 11:28.58 | arghx | !wayttd StaRetji |
| 11:28.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, StaRetji? |
| 11:29.07 | StaRetji | like disk1 disk2, I want to make disk2 boot now |
| 11:29.36 | StaRetji | it's remote machine and don't have hands on it |
| 11:29.45 | arghx | what OS is on disk2? or how does disk2 boot, does it have its own bootloader? |
| 11:29.53 | StaRetji | both linux |
| 11:29.57 | arghx | you can reboot with shutdown -r now for example |
| 11:29.57 | StaRetji | debian |
| 11:30.12 | StaRetji | arghx: will boot disk1 :/ |
| 11:30.17 | arghx | and you can select which entry to boot in grub |
| 11:30.28 | StaRetji | right! |
| 11:30.31 | arghx | is there an entry for disk 2 in your grub configuration? |
| 11:30.47 | StaRetji | yes, got it, good tip |
| 11:30.51 | StaRetji | thx folks |
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| 11:31.03 | StaRetji | forgot about that hehe |
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| 11:31.24 | arghx | StaRetji: if disk 2 is linux too, put the actual kernel line for disk2 into your grub.cfg. don't chainload the bootloader on disk 2 |
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| 11:50.50 | jelly-home | does exim4 generate missing Date header for local clients? |
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| 11:54.52 | dname | a group called hosttslients. You need to install for this group quota limit for storage space with the size of 1GB. How do I do? All new users are introduced to this group will have a quota of 1 GB. User's home directory is in /var/www/clients |
| 11:54.56 | dname | help me please |
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| 11:59.52 | Gerben | dname, tried http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 ? |
| 12:00.52 | Gerben | this was just the first google hit I found, configured it some time ago, don't remember anymore, but shouldn't be very complicated. |
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| 12:02.04 | dname | Thank |
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| 12:11.12 | dname | Gerben but how do you know what my home system? =) Sdb1 sda1 or ...? |
| 12:11.52 | paul4 | hey, all:) does anyone have a problem with pidgin/icq? says to me I'm connecting to often. |
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| 12:18.41 | Thomas`- | theres an icq (beta) for linux |
| 12:19.15 | Thomas`- | not sure if its any better tho |
| 12:19.40 | Gerben | dname, you must set the quota's on the partition that you want to limit. You have to configure this in /etc/fstab. If you just pressed "enter,enter,enter,enter" when installing Debian, this will be "/" , otherwise possibly /var |
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| 12:26.16 | StucKman | is debian/files requiered and/or generated? I can´t find a reference to it in the new maintainer´s doc... |
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| 12:28.46 | dname | Gerben I got confused: (could not understand |
| 12:28.59 | dname | Could not be shown on the example of all this? |
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| 12:33.01 | Gerben | dname, open /etc/fstab with an editor ( vim or nano or something else ). Change a line that is something like "/dev/mapper/debian5-root / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1" to "/dev/mapper/debian5-root / ext3 errors=remount-ro,usrquota 0 1" |
| 12:33.01 | paul4 | Thomas`-, I know, but I've got pidgin logs from my previous system, so I was hoping to maki it work) |
| 12:33.39 | daveo | if i'm running squeeze and want to install a backport of racket, do i add an entry to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 12:34.07 | Gerben | dname, if you can't figure it out then, please pastebin your /etc/fstab (open it, select all, go to pastebin.com, paste it there, put the URL here) |
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| 12:35.15 | daveo | or download .debs from backport site and gdebi install them? |
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| 12:35.49 | Thomas`- | oh ok. sorry i dont know much about pidgen but icq installer seems good it does gtalk, fb and icq |
| 12:36.04 | Thomas`- | but i only use it on windows |
| 12:36.23 | abrotman | paul4: what's the issue? |
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| 12:36.54 | abrotman | paul4: which version of pidgin is this? dpkg -l pidgin |
| 12:37.43 | abrotman | win 4 |
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| 12:39.49 | paul4 | abrotman, 2.7.3-1+squeez and it says I'm connecting to often and have to wait) |
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| 12:41.22 | dname | quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such process |
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| 12:41.41 | dname | Here is the output |
| 12:41.58 | dname | quotatool -u user -bq 200M -l '250 Mb' /var/www/clients |
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| 12:42.57 | Gerben | dname, have you got the quota package installed? |
| 12:43.07 | dname | yes |
| 12:43.08 | Gerben | not only the quotatool package |
| 12:43.33 | dname | apt-get install quota quotatool |
| 12:43.36 | leafwiz_ | Hey. I get a error: "No candidate version found for eclipse-platform" |
| 12:43.38 | Gerben | have you done modprobe quota_v2 ? |
| 12:43.47 | leafwiz_ | testing main contrib non-free |
| 12:43.53 | leafwiz_ | my repositories. |
| 12:43.53 | dname | нÑÑ |
| 12:43.55 | dname | нÑÑ |
| 12:43.57 | dname | yes |
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| 12:44.17 | arghx | ,versions eclipse-platform |
| 12:44.18 | judd | Package: eclipse-platform on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.7.0-1 |
| 12:44.36 | leafwiz_ | wheezy/sid |
| 12:44.45 | leafwiz_ | is my version |
| 12:44.48 | arghx | as you can see, it's not in testing. /msg dpkg why is eclipse-platform not in testing |
| 12:45.06 | Gerben | dname, try /etc/init.d/quota start |
| 12:45.06 | arghx | yes, you run testing aka wheezy and therefore no eclipse |
| 12:45.31 | leafwiz_ | arghx: aha.. I need to do a manual install then |
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| 12:46.16 | arghx | leafwiz_: I suggest to use the squeeze package |
| 12:46.38 | karlpinc | leafwiz_: Only if you think you can do a better job than the wheezy maintainers. |
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| 12:47.46 | leafwiz_ | karlpinc: No, I don't think that.. :) So, I remember that there is an option for installing from different branches |
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| 12:48.49 | smiii | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.23 | dname | turned out. And as we now check whether the quota? |
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| 12:51.17 | Gerben | dname, I don't understand what you try to say. If you want to check if the limit is working, do "su - useryouwanttotest", then do "dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1M amount=numofmbs", where numofmbs is something above the limit |
| 12:51.28 | Gerben | it should give you an error if it is working |
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| 12:55.56 | dname | Gerben Thank you very much:) works |
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| 13:09.31 | abrotman | paul4: have you tried fliddling with the options? |
| 13:10.00 | abrotman | paul4: it's also possible the service ishaving issues |
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| 13:13.18 | lazka | Is there a way to create .noinit files with dh_python2? |
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| 13:14.53 | thewanderer1 | hi, I can't get sdm-terminal to work - it asks me for user login, then hangs and its SSH process (-X -T) produces 100% CPU usage. |
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| 13:16.13 | thewanderer1 | looking for a solution (so that I can get it to ask me for the password and actually login) or an alternative which is not LTSP - LTSP is too heavy and intrusive for me |
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| 13:16.49 | paul4 | abrotman, yeah, but I've tried to connect via meebo.com - works fine.. and the options seem pretty simple |
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| 13:22.30 | abrotman | paul4: checked the BTS? |
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| 13:23.53 | paul4 | abrotman, what's that? :) |
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| 13:24.01 | abrotman | paul4: also, it worked until a few days ago ? |
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| 13:24.18 | coolguy4 | I'm using the wordpress package on squeeze and I'm wondering if anyone here has used it? It sets up /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/themes but I wanted to remove that and replace it with a symlink to a themes directory elsewhere. But this seems to cause php file_exists() to fail when it checks the symlink to see if it exists. Which is strange because I thought file_exists would take symlinks to be files. But in any case, I am wondering if anyo |
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| 13:24.39 | paul4 | abrotman, it worked on ubuntu before, but couple of days ago I've set up debian and couldn't get it running since |
| 13:25.04 | abrotman | ah okay ... |
| 13:25.12 | abrotman | so it's never worked correctly on Debian ? |
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| 13:25.51 | abrotman | coolguy4: you were cut off |
| 13:26.14 | coolguy4 | oh. |
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| 13:26.31 | coolguy4 | whoops |
| 13:26.32 | abrotman | cut off again :) |
| 13:26.46 | abrotman | coolguy4: you were cut off at "wondering anyo" |
| 13:26.51 | abrotman | erm .. put an if in there |
| 13:27.08 | Cisien | pastebin? |
| 13:27.35 | coolguy4 | I was wondering if anyone else uses the wordpress package and how they manage the themes directory |
| 13:27.56 | abrotman | coolguy4: isn't there a way to 'install' themes? |
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| 13:28.47 | roxdragon | hi all |
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| 13:29.11 | coolguy4 | abrotman: well I want to install wordpress so I can develop themes for clients on my local machine. So I'm going to be constantly writing to the themes directory, and by default in the debian install it is owned by root |
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| 13:29.14 | roxdragon | I can not create a. deb package with the command debuild binary |
| 13:29.15 | roxdragon | http://paste.ubuntu.com/718767/ |
| 13:29.16 | paul4 | abrotman, nope |
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| 13:29.52 | coolguy4 | abrotman: plus I want to store the files that I am editing elsewhere because I have folders for all my different projects in a separate area |
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| 13:30.04 | tharkun | coolguy4: you can allways twist the ownership and the permissions needed to write on any subdir |
| 13:30.07 | abrotman | roxdragon: which veresion of Debian is that? |
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| 13:30.30 | abrotman | paul4: bugs.debian.org/pidgin .. see if you can find one related to your problem .. note the search features at the bottom |
| 13:30.32 | coolguy4 | tharkun: yes, I think that's probably what I will do |
| 13:30.52 | abrotman | coolguy4: would a hardlink work ? |
| 13:31.04 | roxdragon | abrotman, ubuntu 10.04 |
| 13:31.09 | abrotman | roxdragon: then you'd ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:31.49 | coolguy4 | abrotman: I haven't tried that. It's very strange to me that a symlink doesn't work. I don't see why it doesn't work |
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| 13:32.25 | abrotman | coolguy4: because linux knows the difference between a link and a directory |
| 13:32.37 | paul4 | abrotman, thanks, I go check it out |
| 13:33.12 | becker_11 | hi all, is it possible to create an iso image of my current debian install? 1 slight problen is I have a seperate / & /home partition on my drive |
| 13:33.25 | coolguy4 | abrotman: in the php docs it says that file_exists() should return true for a symlink and the part where wordpress is bombing out trying to load the themes is when it calls file_exists() on a symlink |
| 13:33.29 | abrotman | judd: info bootcd --release squeeze |
| 13:33.31 | judd | Package bootcd (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: run your system from cd without need for disks. Version: 3.23; Size: 79.8k; Installed: 332k |
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| 13:34.20 | abrotman | coolguy4: i'd have to see the code to guess .. it's also possible that behaviour has changed recently and the docs don't say when it changed |
| 13:35.18 | abrotman | coolguy4: i also see a note about safe_mode restrictions ? |
| 13:35.32 | coolguy4 | yes I looked into that and I played with the settings |
| 13:36.13 | abrotman | okay |
| 13:36.59 | Iridos | do you know how anacron acts if you have a @hourly line on a system that is regularly suspended/hibernated over night? |
| 13:37.14 | abrotman | Iridos: supposed to run it whn the system is available? |
| 13:37.29 | Iridos | will it try to catch up and run the commands 8 times for 8 missing hours or will it drop those? |
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| 13:38.50 | Iridos | oh, nevermind, seems that uses its own separate crontab file anyway |
| 13:38.53 | abrotman | oh, not sure if it will run more than once |
| 13:39.03 | abrotman | that'd be silly, right ? |
| 13:39.07 | Iridos | so I'm just using regular cron and that'll definitely drop it |
| 13:39.23 | coolguy4 | Well thanks, I've got to go to bed now. I guess I'll try a couple of other things tomorrow |
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| 13:39.34 | abrotman | coolguy4: you could file a bug on the package .. seems bah, he left |
| 13:39.34 | Iridos | right... it would be silly... |
| 13:40.13 | Iridos | well, was my misconception... over years and years I had thought that if you have anacron installed, that automatically all cron jobs are run with it instead of regular cron |
| 13:40.32 | Iridos | and perhaps it was like that 10 years ago... |
| 13:40.51 | gary_golden | Isn't nic led must be turn on when remote side listens for WOL magic packet? (PCI 2.2) |
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| 13:42.11 | Iridos | abrotman, just reading on it... and anacron only supports things run on at least a daily basis... kinda makes sense |
| 13:42.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:42.47 | abrotman | Iridos: now i'm sad, thanks |
| 13:43.19 | Iridos | funny, really... I never really read up on it EVER since ... dunno 1995 or so when I learned that it exists |
| 13:43.33 | Iridos | abrotman, why? |
| 13:43.35 | Iridos | .cookie abrotman |
| 13:43.43 | Iridos | ops |
| 13:43.47 | Iridos | dpkg, lolly abrotman |
| 13:43.47 | dpkg | Iridos: i don't know |
| 13:43.59 | Iridos | dammit, jim |
| 13:44.04 | Iridos | dpkg, cookie abrotman |
| 13:44.08 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds flw37... abrotman: I don't understand me... |
| 13:45.10 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:46.20 | Iridos | I don't understand you either |
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| 13:47.13 | abrotman | not sure why that's a FLW |
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| 13:51.36 | KettleCooked | I have a SVN server installed on Debian server - how do I find out which version I have installed? |
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| 13:52.13 | MarcWeber | /etc/cron.de contains a file - however it looks like the jobs are not executed. |
| 13:52.36 | nander | KettleCooked: man svn? |
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| 13:52.43 | nander | or whatever command the server has |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | KettleCooked: which version of Debian or which version of svn ? |
| 13:52.55 | abrotman | !version |
| 13:52.55 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 13:53.07 | MarcWeber | 25 6* * *roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
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| 13:53.12 | KettleCooked | abrotman: svn server |
| 13:53.20 | MarcWeber | is contained in /etc/crontab, anacron does not exist on this system. WHat's gooing on here? |
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| 13:54.00 | KettleCooked | abrotman: are those dpkg instructions for finding out version of both debian and installed programs, or only debian itself? I'm trying to interpret them |
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| 13:54.18 | abrotman | Debian: Package: .. those are hints |
| 13:54.39 | nander | Debian stable is faster in Virtual box then ubuntu 11.10 native |
| 13:54.41 | nander | ;) |
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| 13:57.37 | IRsee | also cat /etc/issue |
| 13:57.39 | IRsee | =) |
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| 14:03.34 | Bushmills | paul4: i don't have a problem with you connecting too often to icq |
| 14:05.12 | Bushmills | nander: what aspect of "debian" - a specific program? all programs you tried? |
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| 14:16.47 | nander | I now have a screen with select and install software as title and no contents |
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| 14:16.51 | nander | And no continue button |
| 14:16.53 | nander | Just wait? |
| 14:17.42 | nkuttler | nander: what exactly are you doing? |
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| 14:18.42 | nander | Installing using the network installer CD thing (160 MB large iso) |
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| 14:18.59 | nander | I was not waiting lang enough, now it continues |
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| 14:22.19 | Lunastyx | ompaul: the upgrade and reboot havn't resolve the problem :/ |
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| 14:23.46 | dokma | is this a good place to ask about domains and dns resolution?? |
| 14:24.28 | tarzeau | dokma: if you want solutions with debian, sure |
| 14:24.40 | dokma | well... I'm running my dns on debian |
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| 14:24.52 | dokma | but the question is about secondary dns servers... |
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| 14:25.00 | tarzeau | dokma: bind9? |
| 14:25.07 | dokma | on powerdns |
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| 14:25.39 | dokma | what I'm interested is when a domain query is being resolved is the primary server always contacted first? |
| 14:26.18 | Bushmills | dokma, nope |
| 14:26.34 | dokma | Bushmills: are you sure? any good docs to read about that? |
| 14:27.23 | Bushmills | dokma: parent zone will have multiple NS records of name server which are authoritative - queries to those servers to parent zone will be served in a round robin fashion |
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| 14:28.05 | dokma | hmm.... so my domain is let's say domain.tld |
| 14:28.14 | Bushmills | therefore the resolver will get any of those NS records first, before the others, and for it it's just a name, no priority |
| 14:28.27 | dokma | and if .tld ns servers list multiple ns as authoritative they'll just be cycled around? |
| 14:28.44 | Bushmills | right |
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| 14:29.03 | Zesturian | Hey, what happened to "selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted" in Debian Squeeze? |
| 14:29.17 | dokma | however due to dns propagation the actual server responding to any domain query is God knows where? |
| 14:29.27 | dokma | actually due to caching |
| 14:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | Zesturian: Yeah, 'cause we all use that. |
| 14:29.39 | dokma | Bushmills: that correct? |
| 14:29.48 | Bushmills | no. dns doesn't propagate |
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| 14:30.50 | dokma | Bushmills: are you telling me that when domain.tld A record is queried that does not get cached? |
| 14:30.52 | mns | I am on wifi at home, using wheezy. my phone is on wifi as well. I can get to finance.google.com from the phone, but I can not get to it from my debian laptop. I can traceroute to it, and ping it from debian. Just that the web page will not load on the laptop but will do so on the phone. |
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| 14:31.17 | dokma | mns: can you dig the domain |
| 14:31.23 | Bushmills | dokma: no, i didn't say records aren't cached. that's right, they're cached. i said dns doesn't propagate |
| 14:31.33 | dokma | I see |
| 14:31.38 | arghx | mns: only ths domain or all websites unreachable? |
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| 14:32.21 | mns | dokma: I can dig it and nslookup on it. |
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| 14:32.37 | mns | arghx: only that and fantasysports.yahoo.com |
| 14:32.38 | dokma | Bushmills: so the client doing the dns query allwas goes to the top level ns to get the authoritative NSes and then fetches the records from them and caches them? |
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| 14:33.13 | mns | arghx: I can get to mail.google.com I can get to news.google.com I can get to www.yahoo.com and sports.yahoo.com as well. |
| 14:33.15 | dokma | mns: so the browser just times out on any web site? |
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| 14:33.24 | arghx | mns: try http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.mtu-mss.html it shouldn't matter today anymore but who knows |
| 14:33.32 | Bushmills | no. it will cache NS records as well. along with their A records leading to the ip addresses of the resp name servers. |
| 14:34.08 | dokma | Bushmills: yeah... get's a bit more clear now... |
| 14:34.18 | Bushmills | "always goes to top level" and "caches them" would be mutually exclusive |
| 14:34.21 | dokma | this networking thing was alwas my weak side |
| 14:34.23 | arghx | mns: or simply lower your MTU IIRC (long time since I used this...) |
| 14:34.41 | dokma | Bushmills: well... not always, just the first time |
| 14:34.53 | Bushmills | which isn't "always" |
| 14:34.54 | mns | dokma: the browser times out on some web pages, not all. at the moment it seems to be some google.com pages and some yahoo.com pages. |
| 14:34.56 | ew0x | arghx: clamping MTU to MSS usually impacts SSL only |
| 14:35.09 | Bushmills | or if cached records have expired |
| 14:35.22 | dokma | mns: what happens when you type the IP address directly into the address bar? |
| 14:35.42 | dokma | Bushmills: yes, I understand that part |
| 14:37.07 | Bushmills | dokma: there's #dns btw which is possibly a better choice to discuss details |
| 14:37.33 | dokma | thanks for all the tips |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | mns: tried another browser? |
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| 14:39.26 | mns | abrotman: for getting to finance.google.com I am using chromium. for getting to fantasysports.yahoo.com I am using iceweasel. so I dont think its a browser specific issue. but I've tried from both to be sure and the same results. |
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| 14:39.51 | mns | dokma: using IP address I can get to finance.google.com but I can not sign in to look at the portfolio. |
| 14:40.09 | abrotman | mns: and if you use wget? |
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| 14:40.36 | dokma | mns: which browser? |
| 14:41.24 | mns | dokma: I am using chromium and iceweasel |
| 14:41.29 | ew0x | mns: can you reach *any* SSL site ? |
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| 14:42.03 | nander | Installation succeeded :) |
| 14:42.24 | mns | ew0x: I'm not using SSL for either the sites I'm trying to get to, but I can get to SSL sites. |
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| 14:44.14 | acuster | hello all. A decade after my first attempt, I have finally installed debian! Thanks. |
| 14:44.21 | nander | Bootup: 153 MB ;) |
| 14:44.29 | nander | Good job on keeping the ram usage low |
| 14:44.34 | mns | abrotman: this is strange. using wget I get "no route to host" messages when its trying to connect to finance.google.com (which gets redirected to www.google.com/finance ) |
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| 14:45.48 | acuster | X is not detecting any 'devices' when it starts but is falling back onto a framebuffer device. Is there a place to troubleshoot this or search terms I could use? thanks. |
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| 14:47.35 | abrotman | mns: does the IP resolve to something it should ? |
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| 14:48.34 | abrotman | mns: i se you have comcast .. when is the last time you reeset your router/modem ? |
| 14:49.01 | abrotman | acuster: you might want to tell us what video card you have |
| 14:50.09 | acuster | ah? ok: PCI:*(0:0:16:0) 10de:0329:10de:0010 nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200] rev 161 |
| 14:50.34 | acuster | a 2003 era powerpc imac g4 20in (the lamp version imac |
| 14:50.37 | acuster | ) |
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| 14:52.17 | abrotman | acuster: did yo install any nvidia drivers? |
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| 14:53.05 | orudie | how can I increase swap sapce ? |
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| 14:53.27 | abrotman | mkswap |
| 14:53.40 | acuster | abrotman, no. this is a fresh squeeze although I had network problems when I first installed so am bringing up the rest by hand |
| 14:53.43 | ompaul | Lunastyx: please pastebin your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 14:53.48 | gary_golden | what's kernel module responsible for suspend? |
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| 14:54.09 | gary_golden | orudie: you can add another swapfile |
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| 14:54.52 | abrotman | gary_golden: mkswap gives him that option |
| 14:55.14 | gary_golden | abrotman: correct. do you know by any chance name of suspend module? |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | pm-suspend? |
| 14:55.24 | abrotman | no .. that's the package |
| 14:55.37 | abrotman | gary_golden: what's the real issue? the WoL stuff? |
| 14:55.39 | gary_golden | :) |
| 14:56.07 | gary_golden | machine don't want to go S3, I think there is no module loaded |
| 14:56.23 | abrotman | !troubleshoot suspend |
| 14:56.40 | gary_golden | and yes, I want to test hardware if it can wake up from S3 with WoL :) |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | gary_golden: /msg dpkg suspend .. go through some of the other factoids |
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| 14:57.56 | gary_golden | just did |
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| 15:01.01 | arghx | isn't pm-suspend the command to use? |
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| 15:01.30 | abrotman | i said that? |
| 15:02.20 | gary_golden | arghx: it is, but it fails |
| 15:03.00 | arghx | abrotman: you misidentified it with the package |
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| 15:04.35 | abrotman | close enough! |
| 15:05.01 | gary_golden | abrotman: the anwer is: there is now kernel module responsible, that kernel option is boolean : |
| 15:05.02 | gary_golden | :) |
| 15:05.19 | abrotman | yay? :) |
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| 15:06.09 | gary_golden | no really, means the bug is somewhere else |
| 15:06.23 | gary_golden | seeking for insecticide |
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| 15:08.42 | Iridos | how weird... running this in cron @hourly /bin/cp $HOME/.bash_history $HOME/.bash_history-$(/bin/date +%F.%H.%M) |
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| 15:08.57 | Iridos | returns /bin/sh: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 15:09.18 | gary_golden | Iridos: escape % |
| 15:09.25 | gary_golden | it's a newline to cron |
| 15:09.26 | Iridos | first I had the #%F... string quoted, then it complained about missing end quote |
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| 15:09.37 | Iridos | oh |
| 15:09.43 | Iridos | I thought the + has a special meaning |
| 15:10.11 | Iridos | gary_golden, in what man/info page is that described? |
| 15:10.20 | gary_golden | man 5 crontab |
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| 15:11.00 | Iridos | gary_golden, thanks, you're right (and so was vim syntax highlighting!) |
| 15:11.05 | Iridos | that must be it |
| 15:12.02 | Iridos | and right... I forgot it's crontab(5) when checking |
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| 15:12.14 | Iridos | \o/ works |
| 15:12.16 | gary_golden | Iridos: you're welcome, I solved the same issue a week ago) |
| 15:12.23 | Iridos | hehe |
| 15:12.40 | Iridos | well, this could have taken long to figure |
| 15:12.46 | Iridos | so thanks a lot |
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| 15:16.49 | C-Otto | hi there |
| 15:17.00 | C-Otto | i need to run oracle's java 7, is there a good and proper way to install that? |
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| 15:18.02 | jhutchins_lt | C-Otto: Pay oracle. |
| 15:18.09 | C-Otto | got it. |
| 15:18.19 | babilen | C-Otto: No, why don't you use the reference implementation? (i.e. openjdk-7) |
| 15:18.38 | C-Otto | because that will not be fixed even if bugs are found |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | it won't? |
| 15:19.04 | C-Otto | correct |
| 15:19.05 | babilen | You are talking about sun-jdk- now, aren't you? |
| 15:19.07 | abrotman | says who ? |
| 15:19.10 | C-Otto | babilen: no |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | wonders if C-Otto is confused |
| 15:19.27 | C-Otto | abrotman: the specification for the java virtual machine |
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| 15:19.56 | abrotman | C-Otto: you're saying your app requires java7 ? |
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| 15:20.19 | nander | I tried installin phpmyadmin, without mysql_server set up |
| 15:20.27 | abrotman | doesn't understand teh bit about "bugs won't be fixed" |
| 15:20.28 | nander | Abort didn't work, retry and ignore didn't either |
| 15:20.32 | nander | So I did ctrl-C |
| 15:20.37 | C-Otto | abrotman: sort of, we are giving a course this semester which also uses features from java 7 |
| 15:20.38 | nander | Now dpkg has errors |
| 15:20.56 | abrotman | C-Otto: okay .. so why won't the bugs be fixed in openjd7 ? |
| 15:20.58 | abrotman | jdk7 |
| 15:21.14 | nander | How do I fix a broken dpkg? |
| 15:21.25 | abrotman | nander: dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:21.26 | C-Otto | abrotman: because reference implementations are not supposed to change, i guess |
| 15:21.45 | abrotman | C-Otto: i don't know if i'd call it reference so much as community |
| 15:21.52 | themill | C-Otto: anything that differed from the reference implementation would be buggy... |
| 15:22.21 | abrotman | C-Otto: anyway .. the "official" JDK from sun/oracle is being removed from Debian .. it is no longer fit for distribution AIUI |
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| 15:22.51 | abrotman | C-Otto: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:23.01 | C-Otto | abrotman: stable amd64 |
| 15:23.02 | themill | abrotman: also "no longer permitted to distribute" |
| 15:23.08 | babilen | openjdk is the reference implementation for 7 and SUN's/Oracle's packages (for 6) had a bunch of problems. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646524 |
| 15:23.11 | abrotman | right .. no longer fit :) |
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| 15:23.41 | abrotman | C-Otto: so if you want to have your own java from oracle package .. you may have to package it yourself |
| 15:23.52 | nander | abrotman: that didn't work |
| 15:24.03 | C-Otto | abrotman: yeah, i got that |
| 15:24.26 | abrotman | C-Otto: or maybe see if Marillat is going to package it |
| 15:24.28 | nander | I am rebooting as we speak |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | C-Otto: otherwise .. use checkinstall/stow |
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| 15:24.43 | abrotman | nander: define didn't work ? |
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| 15:24.55 | nander | It spewed up errors |
| 15:25.09 | nander | Error while processing ..... Phpmyadmin .... |
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| 15:25.29 | nander | And something about something in ../conf/.. being locked |
| 15:25.34 | jhutchins_lt | nander: You're supposed to read what the error messages actually say. |
| 15:25.46 | abrotman | nander: the actual error might be helpful |
| 15:25.56 | C-Otto | ok, thanks |
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| 15:26.15 | nander | Now I get mysql-server-5.1 is not instlled |
| 15:26.19 | nander | dpeendency problems |
| 15:26.24 | nander | installed* |
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| 15:26.53 | themill | nander: actual errors in a pastebin, please |
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| 15:27.20 | nander | It works now |
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| 15:27.25 | nander | But I'll try to find the error anyway |
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| 15:28.55 | nander | http://pastebin.com/rFUYzAsd |
| 15:29.40 | themill | nander: do you want mysql-server on your local machine? Try "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1" |
| 15:31.14 | orudie | where is cached dns stored ? |
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| 15:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | orudie: ram |
| 15:32.11 | themill | orudie: unless you've installed one yourself, there isn't one |
| 15:32.31 | bony | themill: hi, how are you? |
| 15:32.47 | themill | hides behind abrotman |
| 15:32.57 | abrotman | hides behind peterS |
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| 15:34.39 | cantido | conga line? |
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| 15:37.22 | bony | why are you guys hiding? |
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| 15:42.34 | dsm2 | I am having some trouble with extending a logical volume, please see http://pastebin.com/JAC7JdV3 for info. |
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| 15:43.43 | dsm2 | BTW, I have accidentaly put 90/100 in that paste, but the result is the same anyway. |
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| 15:47.17 | advocatusdiaboli | I would like to learn IPv4, how to make a protocol and, perhaps from starting with an existing one, I have tshark and nc -l 80 running, and I can understand most of it, but itâs quiet a simple task, what is next? Are there any C libraries I should start off on? Or is C obsolete? Would python be better? |
| 15:47.46 | advocatusdiaboli | I know HTML quiet well, itâs the http protocol I am looking at. |
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| 15:48.53 | boudiccas | advocatusdiaboli; do you really mean 'quiet'? or do you mean 'quite'? |
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| 15:49.24 | advocatusdiaboli | googles them both to see if he could possibly understand the difference. |
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| 15:49.41 | advocatusdiaboli | I mean the one that means rather, not silence |
| 15:49.45 | threadlock | grammar is quietly obsoleted |
| 15:49.56 | threadlock | c is forever |
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| 15:51.02 | advocatusdiaboli | Ehhh, would there be a channel better suited for my question? |
| 15:51.22 | boudiccas | grammer is very important, using the wrong word can alter the whole sense of the sentence |
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| 15:58.54 | CheckDavid | Hello, I am a new Linux user. |
| 15:59.29 | CheckDavid | I started using PuppyLinux 1 month ago |
| 15:59.35 | CheckDavid | And I would like to try Debian |
| 15:59.43 | bony | CheckDavid: welcome the free world |
| 15:59.49 | simonlnu | so install it |
| 15:59.50 | CheckDavid | I am on Debian.org, but I am actually a little bit confused |
| 15:59.54 | CheckDavid | Thanks a lot Bony |
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| 16:00.00 | bony | CheckDavid: what is it that you are looking for? |
| 16:00.33 | CheckDavid | So, to begin with, I would like to understand the different ways to run/boot/install Debian |
| 16:00.47 | CheckDavid | And to understand a bit about netinstall |
| 16:00.52 | CheckDavid | I am pretty newb |
| 16:01.00 | boudiccas | !noob |
| 16:01.01 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 16:01.17 | CheckDavid | Thanks, that's nice |
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| 16:01.52 | CheckDavid | Ok, first questions |
| 16:01.53 | bony | CheckDavid: why don't you start reading the debian manual? |
| 16:01.59 | bony | CheckDavid: go ahead |
| 16:02.09 | CheckDavid | thanks bony, then let me shoot it |
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| 16:02.16 | CheckDavid | When I get in Debian.org |
| 16:02.23 | CheckDavid | there is a link on the right top corner |
| 16:02.30 | CheckDavid | For a net install iso I suppose |
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| 16:02.42 | CheckDavid | And it is 32/64 bits? What would that mean exactly? |
| 16:02.55 | CheckDavid | I thought we had to choose a 32 or 64 bit iso |
| 16:03.21 | bony | well that mean's that this iso image is a 64 bit image which can only run on 64 systems |
| 16:03.41 | bony | typo 64 bit systems |
| 16:03.59 | CheckDavid | Confused |
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| 16:04.03 | CheckDavid | Why does it say 32? |
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| 16:04.25 | bony | well that is an error. |
| 16:04.33 | CheckDavid | oh, on the website? |
| 16:05.11 | bony | are their any debian website maintaers in here? please check this. either update the link or the link to the correct image |
| 16:05.17 | CheckDavid | But the file name also says amd64 - i386 |
| 16:05.20 | pizza_biz | from the looks of the name, it should work on EITHER 32-bit or 64-bit systems (...amd64-i386...). netinst has just a base install, so it should detect and acquire the proper packages from the internet. |
| 16:05.21 | bony | CheckDavid: yes thats right on the website |
| 16:06.02 | bony | ok pizza_biz my bad. you are right |
| 16:06.18 | CheckDavid | Oh I see |
| 16:06.20 | bony | the image says amd64-i386 |
| 16:06.35 | bony | the link is right and it is pointing to the right file |
| 16:06.45 | ompaul | the file will work on 32 or 64 bit |
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| 16:06.51 | pizza_biz | you can also click on "getting debian" and locate a more specific netinst version if you need. |
| 16:06.53 | CheckDavid | I see |
| 16:06.58 | bony | CheckDavid: i was wrong the wesite is correctly pointing to the image |
| 16:07.15 | CheckDavid | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst <--- When I click here, that file is not there, and no documents for it that I can easily find, that's why I get a bit confused with so many options |
| 16:07.22 | CheckDavid | bony I got that, thanks |
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| 16:07.33 | CheckDavid | I only get specific ones there |
| 16:10.04 | bony | well as far as i know the image that is on the websites home page will work for any system and documentation for either 686 or amd64 which ever you are prefering to will have to be consulted. |
| 16:10.26 | CheckDavid | Oh, I see |
| 16:10.36 | CheckDavid | So let me see in practical terms |
| 16:10.45 | CheckDavid | What can I do with this netinst thing? |
| 16:10.48 | CheckDavid | I suppose boot it |
| 16:10.57 | CheckDavid | And download the stuff that I need/want |
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| 16:11.24 | CheckDavid | I would hope I could get this stuff into my USB flash, and then be able to boot that same drive with all the stuff installed |
| 16:11.40 | CheckDavid | Is that even close to what happens? |
| 16:11.53 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 16:11.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:12.18 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.31 | CheckDavid | Got that boudiccas, will not happen again. |
| 16:12.43 | boudiccas | CheckDavid; thank you |
| 16:13.16 | Iridos | you want the installer on the usb stick or the system on the usb stick |
| 16:13.55 | CheckDavid | I want the system on the USB disk, I don't know if I want the installer, just don't really know what that implies. |
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| 16:15.29 | Iridos | with "the installer", I mean the installation image you can download that we just talked about |
| 16:16.07 | acu | I am installing a new system - I want all Debian - and have to choose a partition table what should I choose (msdos gpt aix amiga bsd dvh mac pc98 sun loop ? |
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| 16:16.57 | peterS | acu: msdos. that is to say, the partition table layout used by anything that wants to share hard drive space with MS-DOS or any version of Windows |
| 16:17.03 | pipeline | acu: msdos, unless your drive is over 2 TB, in which case you want gpt |
| 16:17.15 | pipeline | acu: you could choose gpt anyway and it probably wouldn't hurt anything (if your BIOS is quite modern) |
| 16:17.41 | acu | great inside as always ! thanks pipleline and peterS ! |
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| 16:18.37 | Iridos | you can install on a usb stick just like on any other disk... but getting it to run on other computers than the one you installed it on could become tricky. Well, dunno, never tried. I think there are pre-made solutions for that, though |
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| 16:20.10 | CheckDavid | <Iridos> <-- How exactly does that workout? I mean, I install something specific for my computer on the flash drive? |
| 16:20.22 | pizza_biz | CheckDavid: if you're just test driving, you might want to look into the "live" images if you want something you can put on a thumb drive and boot to -- http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 16:20.30 | acu | I am in between to choose a LVM or native EXT4 partitions - I have a 36GB HDD - and plan to do /boot (500MB - primary) / (root 31GB) and /SWAP (8GB ) my only question if I should use LVM or native - this will serve as a backup server - but the data backup will be saved on two 2TB hard disks attached (I am planning to make them LVM - so I can extend) - any hints |
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| 16:21.14 | pipeline | acu: always choose LVM |
| 16:21.22 | acu | my dilema is whether I should do LVM for / (root) |
| 16:21.27 | pipeline | acu: always use LVM. |
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| 16:21.46 | pipeline | acu: if you want to keep things separate, use separate volume groups per disk. But never, ever, ever create a non-disposable fs without LVM. |
| 16:21.48 | krion | not for /boot |
| 16:21.59 | pipeline | krion: technically you can use LVM for /boot now, but it's not a great idea to do so |
| 16:22.06 | kuznetzvo | pipeline: why |
| 16:22.07 | krion | so don't do it :) |
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| 16:22.13 | kuznetzvo | [curious] |
| 16:22.28 | acu | It is OK /boot will be native - so the vote for / and /swap is LVM |
| 16:22.31 | krion | trouble with bootloader iirc |
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| 16:22.40 | pipeline | kuznetzvo: it's umm kinda dodgy |
| 16:22.42 | jhutchins_lt | kuznetzvo: lvm is an unnecessary layer of complexity and one more thing to go wrong. |
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| 16:22.55 | CheckDavid | thanks Pizza_biz, but I also wanted to know how that netstill would work for me, I didn't get what iridos meant with it not being able to work on other computers in case I installed it on my USB. |
| 16:22.56 | pipeline | kuznetzvo: like it barely works under ideal circumstances, so if you touch the /boot lvm lv, bad thing scan happen |
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| 16:23.13 | kuznetzvo | interesting |
| 16:23.34 | Iridos | CheckDavid, a lot of things are autodetected during every boot anyway. Disk changing device used to be a problem, but you can use uuids for mounting these days. Graphical environment can still be problematic... in principle also autodetected, but anything that requires you to configure its configuration file will pin you on one configuration (and you cannot mix nvidia proprietary drivers with ati proprietary drivers, so you can only use free drvers) |
| 16:23.42 | kuznetzvo | ty :) |
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| 16:24.16 | dsm2 | Speaking of LVM, I'm having a little bit of a problem with it: http://pastebin.com/Bc1dzRS4 |
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| 16:24.42 | dsm2 | I would appreciate any help |
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| 16:24.51 | acu | jhutchins_lt so your vote for LVM is Nay :) --- I used almost always native for the same reason of extra complexity - but they are saying that you can backup easier an LVM with snapshot and you can extend it - neither of this are my problems - as once is setup - I will clone using dd - and no need for expansion as the data will be on serparate HDD (2 2 TB) |
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| 16:25.14 | Iridos | CheckDavid, in short: yes... it'll be much easier to install just on a single computer than try to get it to run everywhere on an usb stick (if you never take the usb stick out of that one machine, that is not a problem) |
| 16:25.25 | pizza_biz | CheckDavid: i suppose you could use netinst to install to a self-booting removable drive, but the main point of netinst is just as a lightweight installer. instead of a bunch of media with packages on it, it gets packages from repositories on the internet. it's not a live system in and of itself. |
| 16:25.34 | CheckDavid | <Iridos> <--- I suppose that you mean the autoinstaller will install something other that Vesa drivers, is that so? |
| 16:25.42 | pipeline | acu: here's the major thing about LVM: odds of something going wrong with LVM are nearly zero. For one thing, it backs up its own config constantly. Odds of something going wrong with what *you* do to your system are quite good, and LVM can bail you out. |
| 16:25.53 | SerajewelKS | lvm snapshots aren't even a silver bullet for backup |
| 16:25.57 | pipeline | acu: jhutchins_lt is an aging anti-LVM troll. The market has spoken. The commercial distributions come with LVM by default :) |
| 16:26.12 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt, is, in other words, very nearly the last of his kind |
| 16:26.22 | Iridos | CheckDavid, that's not the problem. ... well, why don't you just try it and you'll find out for sure... |
| 16:26.30 | pipeline | actually, iirc, debian has lvm by default, if you just pound "enter" over and over in the installer |
| 16:26.31 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Wow, you couldn't be more wrong about LVM causing problems. Just hang out here for a day or two - we get several every week. |
| 16:26.48 | wxl | i have a problem with a stable install on my ppc computer, but i would imagine the issue is not ppc related. i boot no problem until shortly after the nic is recognized and then i get dumped out to busybox with an error opening tty due to missing job control. googling i only find references to live file systems. ideas? |
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| 16:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Actually, I'm a professional administrator who has built hundreds of systems - all without LVM. |
| 16:27.05 | CheckDavid | pizza_biz, that would be a second usb drive, or the same I am booting from? |
| 16:27.13 | acu | pipeline: it is true you can choose auto with lvm during installation - I just do not like that the swap is not double than the memory |
| 16:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: LVM is a poor copy of a bad idea Microsoft had. |
| 16:27.37 | peterS | jhutchins_lt: actually it's much closer to a (bad?) idea Veritas had |
| 16:27.40 | pizza_biz | a second drive. it wouldn't make much sense to install *to* the drive you're installing *from*. |
| 16:27.41 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Debian does NOT default to LVM, it's an option. |
| 16:27.47 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: what the hell are you talking about |
| 16:27.57 | abrotman | gets the popcorn |
| 16:27.57 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: Sistina LVM is derived from Veritas LVM, you know, 20 years of HP-UX :) |
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| 16:28.06 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: well, not derived, but a blatant copy |
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| 16:28.22 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: also Windows both a.) has a terrible LVM system and b.) doesn't really make extensive use of it :P |
| 16:28.42 | abrotman | LVM-type |
| 16:28.42 | tensorpudding | windows has volumes like LVM? |
| 16:28.44 | tensorpudding | interesting |
| 16:28.52 | abrotman | tensorpudding: it can |
| 16:28.56 | SerajewelKS | tensorpudding: "dynamic drives" |
| 16:29.00 | pipeline | tensorpudding: yeah, windows "dynamic volumes." They replace the dos disklabel and support a lot of LVM features. But it's not, shall we say, well supported. |
| 16:29.01 | CheckDavid | pizza_biz, when you say removable, does that mean that we can remove after booting from it? Like it loads to ram, and then works without the flash drive? |
| 16:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: Yeah, you can span partitions across drives. |
| 16:29.04 | tensorpudding | when was that added |
| 16:29.10 | pipeline | tensorpudding: windows nt4 or 2000. |
| 16:29.11 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: Great idea, unless anything at all goes wrong. |
| 16:29.25 | peterS | I think Windows 2000, yeah |
| 16:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | nt4 |
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| 16:29.42 | pipeline | tensorpudding: notably the windows rescue mode on the install disc pukes on windows lvm/disklabels, at least it did as recently as 2003... |
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| 16:29.47 | pipeline | at any rate |
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| 16:29.58 | pipeline | sistina (linux) lvm is a very close clone of HP-UX/Veritas LVM |
| 16:30.09 | pipeline | which is robust, proven over many years of production, and hella useful |
| 16:30.17 | pipeline | it's the default everwhere and has saved my ass more times than I can count |
| 16:30.20 | jhutchins_lt | ... and one more thing to go wrong. |
| 16:30.25 | pipeline | if you don't know whether to use LVM, use LVM |
| 16:30.27 | peterS | indeed. and a not-so-far relative of AIX LVM. but nothing like Windows dynamic volumes. |
| 16:30.30 | abrotman | pipeline: it's not the default in Debian .. |
| 16:30.31 | acu | should I make /boot Ext4 ? |
| 16:30.35 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:30.43 | jhutchins_lt | For very limited definitions of "everywhere". LVM is not the default with most Linux installers. |
| 16:30.44 | pipeline | abrotman: ancient crusty trolls :P |
| 16:30.55 | peterS | acu: ext3. I think boot loaders like it a little better than ext4. Or I could just be way out of date. |
| 16:31.03 | abrotman | pipeline: jsut saying it's not the default .. nothing about the pros/cons of lvm |
| 16:31.10 | pipeline | "one more thing to go wrong" my ass. I can't prove a negative, but I've never had an LVM problem. |
| 16:31.17 | pizza_biz | CheckDavid: removable, just as in not fixed. as a general rule, if you've booted from a removable device like a thumb drive or external hard drive, you DO NOT want to arbitrarily unplug it. if you boot off external, you'll want to treat it as if it's non-removable while the system is running. |
| 16:31.17 | tensorpudding | lvm isn't default anywhere i know of |
| 16:31.27 | pipeline | you wolud think after ten years it would have happened by now |
| 16:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: We see them here constantly, several times a week. |
| 16:31.41 | pipeline | tensorpudding: notably HP-UX and RHEL |
| 16:31.45 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: but you said you build them without LVM |
| 16:31.46 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:31.58 | tensorpudding | what are these issues people have with LVM |
| 16:32.04 | pipeline | yeah I'm very curious about that myself |
| 16:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Just because you've never seen a charging elephant doesn't make you an expert in preventing them. |
| 16:32.12 | peterS | pipeline: if you want to see an example of a strange LVM problem, scroll up 8 minutes to the question dsm2 posted - http://pastebin.com/Bc1dzRS4 |
| 16:32.18 | abrotman | tensorpudding: a lot of people view it as another layer to go wrong |
| 16:32.20 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: it's true, I've never seen a charging elephant. But I'm not advocating standing inf ront of a charging elephant. |
| 16:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Yes, my systems are built with no lvm. |
| 16:32.32 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: It's the standard in the datacenter where I consult as well. |
| 16:32.40 | CheckDavid | I see pizza_biz, sorry, it's just that I use PuppyLinux, and I can remove the drive |
| 16:32.44 | pipeline | the vfs and the filesystems are also "other layers to go wrong." Just write your blocks directly to the block device, don't let that nasty kernel architecture get in the way. |
| 16:32.46 | tensorpudding | the two of you are just sitting here spouting that you have experience and saying doom |
| 16:32.48 | themill | builds all his machines with lvm |
| 16:32.52 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: don't argue with me .. won't get you anywhere :) |
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| 16:33.07 | CheckDavid | I just wanted to know if Debian would load to ram, and run from there completely pizza_biz |
| 16:33.08 | abrotman | tensorpudding: DOOM! DOOOOM I SAY! |
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| 16:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Didn't think I was. |
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| 16:33.46 | SerajewelKS | CheckDavid: if you had a lot of ram you might be able to pull that off, but i wouldn't want to |
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| 16:34.00 | peterS | CheckDavid: no when someone said removable media they just meant removable in a physical sense, not that you can boot from it and then remove it while the system is up. _that_ mode of operation is available in specialised packages used for, e.g., live CDs, but it is not the default mode of operation by a long shot |
| 16:34.06 | kkulhavy | jhutchins_lt, I also think that the less layers that co go wrong, the better |
| 16:34.08 | tensorpudding | i thought the main issue with LVM from a user perspective is that it feels too foreign and hard to manage |
| 16:34.08 | jhutchins_lt | We've seen the people here in the support channels who have trouble with LVM on a regular basis. If you've never had a problem, how would you know if problems happen? |
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| 16:34.42 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: to be fair .. people have all sorts of issues with all sorts of crazy setups |
| 16:34.47 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: looks like a kernel bug. Restore your LVM configuration from the automatically saved backup, bring VG back onlien, upgrade kernel. |
| 16:34.56 | krion | jhutchins_lt: what kind of problems ? |
| 16:35.05 | peterS | pipeline: talking to dsm2? |
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| 16:35.10 | abrotman | "Hi, My LVM on RAID0 was fine until I removed one of the drives, now it doesn't work .. what can I do?" :) |
| 16:35.12 | pipeline | peterS: repsonding to jhutchins_lt mailing list post |
| 16:35.17 | CheckDavid | I see |
| 16:35.20 | acu | It seem that the most dominant thing is experience - I used until now native ext3 or ext4 partitions and dont remember to have any problem, however, LVM is touted as the way to go - some advantages are there, since this is a remote system ... should I do what I did before ? |
| 16:35.31 | krion | imho it's useless on a workstation. what sort of utility would give lvm even for a poweruser on a workstation |
| 16:35.32 | pipeline | abrotman: same response to that -- restore lvm config from backup |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | pipeline: the drive is gone .. it was a joke |
| 16:35.47 | CheckDavid | And if I use a Live CD boot, where do I save the system settings and stuff? And then how do I load them next time I boot? |
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| 16:35.56 | cantido | krion: LVM does snapshots etc right? |
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| 17:00.53 | cantido | SerajewelKS: Can you not do block moves like that via the FS? |
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| 17:01.41 | SerajewelKS | cantido: possibly, but not all daemons are smart enough. and lvm may still have the ability to interrupt such a process without realizing it. |
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| 17:02.37 | cantido | SerajewelKS: still, I wouldnt use one backup solution for everything.. |
| 17:02.46 | SerajewelKS | the whole discussion boils down to this: lvm doesn't ask processes if their data is consistent before it takes a snapshot. that can corrupt data if a process doesn't do things in an atomic/transactional manner on disk. |
| 17:02.53 | cantido | for a database at least it would be nice to have a history and not just files |
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| 17:03.34 | cantido | and for MySQL at least you can do replication as its happening :) |
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| 17:04.01 | MSTRCNVS | arghx: sucessfully backported nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms (: |
| 17:04.15 | acu | do you guys install clamav in backup servers - if you do rsync type backup - is the clamav recognizing "windows" viruses ? |
| 17:04.17 | ska | When will updates for Lenny be discontinued? |
| 17:04.19 | iateadonut | thanks. how can i tell which device is my swap? |
| 17:04.22 | SerajewelKS | cantido: well mysql is transactionally safe on disk |
| 17:04.40 | SerajewelKS | cantido: it maintains a journal etc. the fact that it can recover from a sudden power-down means it can also recover from an lvm snapshot backup. |
| 17:05.06 | SerajewelKS | things that can't recover from a sudden power-down also may not survive an lvm snapshot backup |
| 17:05.33 | cantido | hopes everyone has a UPS.. |
| 17:05.48 | thisthat | you shoudl really have 2 of them |
| 17:06.04 | SerajewelKS | UPSes are good... but note that an lvm snapshot more or less simulates a power failure ;) |
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| 17:06.26 | thisthat | it corrupts your disk and kills your arrays? |
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| 17:06.42 | SerajewelKS | the only thing lvm does that a power failure doesn't is flushes the kernel's I/O buffer |
| 17:06.49 | cantido | SerajewelKS: LVM snapshots dont stop you from making a cup of tea |
| 17:06.50 | SerajewelKS | lvm snapshot* |
| 17:07.10 | thisthat | could probably make tea off the heat vent on the UPS when the power goes off |
| 17:07.35 | SerajewelKS | cantido: i don't follow |
| 17:07.49 | cantido | SerajewelKS: LVM snapshots dont cut all of your power |
| 17:08.04 | cantido | so you can at least make yourself some tea, poptarts etc |
| 17:08.06 | SerajewelKS | cantido: for the purposes of the state of the snapshot, they do |
| 17:08.11 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: except that it can't always |
| 17:08.25 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: context please |
| 17:08.32 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: and furthermore, even if mysql can recover, you can potentially end up with data loss |
| 17:08.46 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's why you take out a write lock while you make the snapshot |
| 17:09.27 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: right. that's the point i'm making -- that lvm snapshots aren't the cure-all for live backups. |
| 17:09.43 | dondelelcaro | well, they are a good idea, but you have to couple them with other things |
| 17:09.53 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 17:09.55 | cantido | thisthat: have you actually tried that? |
| 17:10.41 | MSTRCNVS | I backported the last nvidia-glx and the last nvidia kernel module, but I still can make my Xorg settings work, I'm following dpk'g instructions about nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:10.46 | MSTRCNVS | dpkg nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:10.46 | dpkg | MSTRCNVS: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 17:11.15 | MSTRCNVS | dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 17:11.15 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 17:12.34 | MSTRCNVS | my GPU is a new one and the modules that ship with debian stable does not support it, so I was told to backport it, and I backported, but it's still not working |
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| 17:20.32 | MSTRCNVS | boudiccas: GeForce 540M Optimus |
| 17:20.57 | boudiccas | MSTRCNVS; i read it the first time, theres no need to repeat it |
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| 17:21.41 | MSTRCNVS | thought not... |
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| 17:23.43 | sinapsi | hi |
| 17:23.50 | sinapsi | how cana i turn a debian stable in a debian testing? |
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| 17:24.40 | random_name | sinapsi: First edit your sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:24.55 | tensorpudding | sinapsi, caveat emptor |
| 17:25.18 | cantido | random_name: you should do the "road to disaster" warning first ;) |
| 17:25.57 | tensorpudding | you probably won't have issues using testing, but know that you cannot go back |
| 17:26.14 | random_name | Well, I assume he knows what to expect from testing |
| 17:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | random_name: Lots of people don't. They just think it's newer and therefore must be better. |
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| 17:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | random_name: They don't realize that testing is just what it says it is, and will be broken on purpose from time to time. |
| 17:27.12 | cantido | aka shiny shiny |
| 17:27.28 | random_name | next time include a disclamer |
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| 17:27.50 | random_name | *I will include |
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| 17:27.57 | jhutchins_lt | Of course, if you're smart, you make backups, and can fall back that way. |
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| 17:31.13 | claw | hello i am searching a few hours for now and i dont get any working solution. anybody can give me an example how to copy the whole content of an file from Vim to another application ? |
| 17:31.49 | cantido | claw: Like a clipboard? |
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| 17:31.59 | claw | yes |
| 17:32.26 | claw | vim uses its own clipboard for my understanding |
| 17:32.54 | cantido | I think screen has a clipboard thingy you could use |
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| 17:33.10 | cantido | or if you're using an xterm it probably has one.. konsole does |
| 17:33.17 | MSTRCNVS | claw: why not to open the file on the another application? |
| 17:33.31 | ompaul | claw: what is wrong with save file :w newfilenamehere and then open that |
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| 17:34.42 | claw | oh wait |
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| 17:34.48 | claw | i've got it |
| 17:35.35 | claw | i can use v for marking the text and then use "y+" |
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| 17:35.46 | claw | oder even "%y+" for the whole text |
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| 17:35.56 | claw | thanks anyway |
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| 17:36.57 | cantido | Does that work across applications? |
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| 17:40.25 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: He was working across files in vi |
| 17:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | claw: You can also tell vi to read the contents of a file into your edit buffere where your cursor is. |
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| 17:42.33 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: ok, I thought it was vi -> something else |
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| 17:45.33 | Ring0` | LD_LIBRARY_PATH is ignored when run from file in RC2.d, why ? :-( |
| 17:45.39 | Ring0` | And what can I do to make it work. |
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| 17:46.40 | cthuluh | Ring0`: do you export it? |
| 17:47.06 | Ring0` | cthuluh: probably I don't. |
| 17:47.12 | acu | where is the log from Xchat sessions saved ? |
| 17:47.26 | abrotman | acu: depends if you setup logging |
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| 17:48.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Can anyone help with VSFTPD installed on Debian Squeeze from the repo? I'm just trying to enable anonymous logins and when I try to log in, I get access denied. The anon_root is world-readable, so what am I missing?! |
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| 17:48.54 | Lunastyx | ompaul: In fact, when I've tried to install Debian in graphic mode, the computer reboot, whereas in text mode not; the same with ubuntu |
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| 17:49.37 | Pegasus_RPG | (And Google is no help. Noone seems to have this problem. They all ask about anonymous uploads.) |
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| 17:50.37 | acu | got it thanks .xchat2 |
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| 17:55.47 | apollo00 | can anyone tell me the best way to set up a debian internet kiosk with firefox |
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| 17:56.29 | cantido | apollo00: you can make an xsession to start a single app.. |
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| 17:56.37 | cantido | apollo00: and tell FF to go fullscreen |
| 17:57.04 | cantido | I think the hardest thing is getting a touch screen that is supported and works right.. someone I know had all sorts of issues with calibration etc |
| 17:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | Pegasus_RPG: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vsftpd+anonymous |
| 17:57.23 | ew0x | apollo00: Look at R-kiosk FF add-on as well |
| 17:57.52 | MSTRCNVS | I'm trying to build broadcom-sta module to use my wireless network following the http://wiki.debian.org/wl article, but I keep getting this error http://paste.debian.net/139799/ |
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| 17:59.05 | apollo00 | Thanks Guys |
| 17:59.08 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: obviously module source is not adapted to your kernel |
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| 17:59.16 | cantido | apollo00: do you have the hardware already? |
| 17:59.39 | DCore | hi |
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| 18:01.00 | MSTRCNVS | sorry, my pidgin has crashed |
| 18:01.11 | cantido | into a window? |
| 18:01.55 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: Basically was saying the module sources and your kernel headers mismatch at least on the definition of the 'net_device' structure |
| 18:02.37 | MSTRCNVS | ew0x: It means I need newer broadcom-sta module sources? |
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| 18:03.00 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: I don't have the module source nor your kernel headers at reach |
| 18:03.03 | cantido | MSTRCNVS: you need a version that will build against the kernel headers you have |
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| 18:03.34 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: either "newer" or "older", either kernel or module source, but they just don't match |
| 18:03.45 | cantido | or a kernel that builds with the module source.. |
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| 18:03.51 | ew0x | ;) |
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| 18:04.24 | MSTRCNVS | my kernel is from squeeze-backports, don't have idea where to get a matching broadcom-sta-source |
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| 18:04.35 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins_lt: not helpful. I've already googled it and noone seems to have this issue |
| 18:04.41 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: Get back to plain squeeze kernel, you'll be fine |
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| 18:05.03 | jhutchins_lt | Pegasus_RPG: First hit, how to set up anonymous logins. |
| 18:05.06 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: Unless that specific kernel is required for some reason of course |
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| 18:05.14 | MSTRCNVS | ew0x: I need this kernel in order to make my GPU work |
| 18:05.22 | fyolnish | hi |
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| 18:05.34 | cantido | MSTRCNVS: what kernel are you using? |
| 18:05.35 | MSTRCNVS | maybe if I backport broadcom-sta-sources, nor a good idea? |
| 18:05.42 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: Then I guess it's either GPU or WLan ;) |
| 18:05.45 | fyolnish | I was following some instructions and stupidly installed a package from squeeze in my lenny install |
| 18:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:05.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 18:05.49 | fyolnish | replacing libc |
| 18:05.53 | fyolnish | with a newer version |
| 18:05.58 | MSTRCNVS | 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 18:06.04 | fyolnish | and now I can't compile C |
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| 18:06.08 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: You can give it a try, you'd better be damn sure of what you're doing still |
| 18:06.18 | cantido | MSTRCNVS: and the module source is from stable? |
| 18:06.29 | fyolnish | not even a hello world program |
| 18:06.33 | MSTRCNVS | cantido: yes, there's no such module in squeeze-backports |
| 18:06.36 | fyolnish | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.48 | fyolnish | how can I downgrade back to lenny? |
| 18:07.02 | cantido | MSTRCNVS: can you check what versions are available upstream and workout which will build with 2.6.39? |
| 18:07.02 | fyolnish | I tried removing the squeeze source and executing apt-get upgrade -t stable |
| 18:07.23 | cantido | MSTRCNVS: it shouldnt be too hard to update the source in the stable package.. |
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| 18:07.48 | cantido | there is even a tool for doing it .. uupdate IIRC |
| 18:07.52 | jhutchins_lt | !partial downgrade |
| 18:07.52 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins_lt: I read that already before coming in here. I've done what it says. I still get access denied and the logs tell me nothing other than I attempted to connect |
| 18:07.52 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 18:07.56 | abrotman | !uupdate |
| 18:07.56 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 18:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: Not sure what you're trying to do with -t stable - stable is squeeze. |
| 18:08.52 | fyolnish | so .. oldstable? : / |
| 18:09.05 | cantido | MSTRCNVS: You need to check what versions of the module source will build against 2.6.39 though, because testing has already moved on |
| 18:09.06 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: lenny |
| 18:09.06 | fyolnish | I figured stable would be lenny if all my sources pointed to lenny |
| 18:09.08 | Pegasus_RPG | Is there any way to ask vsftp what the hell it's trying to do when anonymous logs in? |
| 18:09.28 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: Nope, that translation happens at the mirror. |
| 18:09.44 | fyolnish | "apt-get upgrade -t lenny " just tellse me there's nothing to change |
| 18:10.16 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: I would look at the suggestion from dpkg above and use the menued mode of aptitude. |
| 18:10.36 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: I didn't understood how I can apply this to broadcom-sta, what that url is supposed to be? |
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| 18:11.40 | ew0x | MSTRCNVS: RTFM ;) get a manpage somewhere, it's quite clear |
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| 18:13.55 | Pegasus_RPG | So something's goofed up in my config file...I started fresh with anon-only and it's fine. But I need local users to log on too, so I'll ahve to look more later |
| 18:13.58 | Pegasus_RPG | thanks |
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| 18:15.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i handle an pkg install as to not prompt me for actions that have an default like modifying an changed config? DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y install $pkg does not work |
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| 18:15.59 | fyolnish | thanks, another question: when I downgrade, can I somehow automatically also downgrade the dependencies? |
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| 18:17.08 | cantido | evilbulgarian: configuration priority level to low |
| 18:17.18 | DreamPhysix | why do i get these unicode characters in my debian shell? http://i53.tinypic.com/2z8di6a.png |
| 18:17.32 | cantido | evilbulgarian: dpkg-reconfigure debconf IIRC |
| 18:18.26 | evilbulgarian | cantido: thanks you know of a quick way to do that in a script then change it back after pkg install |
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| 18:19.29 | cantido | evilbulgarian: mmm not sure |
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| 18:21.11 | dimauro76 | hi guys, sorry, how can I add PYTHONPATH="" to the list #env .. I need to add it everytime I boot :S. Thank you guys! |
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| 18:21.34 | dimauro76 | I've been googling but nothing. It is on debian 6. |
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| 18:23.04 | somiaj | dimauro76: what needs this enviorment varible? If it is just your shell, and you use bash, you can put it in your .bashrc file |
| 18:23.16 | somiaj | dimauro76: just need a line export PYTHONPATH="" in it |
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| 18:23.48 | somiaj | dimauro76: if it isn't just a user that needs it but some process that is running, you need to set it up in the script/shell that is running the process |
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| 18:24.12 | dimauro76 | it is needed for Xen somiaj, I am putting it now :D |
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| 18:24.28 | ompaul | Lunastyx: so you now know, text mode good and graphics make too many assumptions about your specific video card |
| 18:24.54 | dimauro76 | how can I guees the script/shell that is running xen? |
| 18:25.00 | dimauro76 | xend-config.sxp? |
| 18:25.17 | somiaj | dimauro76: putting in .bashrc only effects the user when he logs into a bash shell. I don't know enough about how xen works to say where to set its enviorment variables |
| 18:25.29 | Lunastyx | ompaul: arf, but the tty also don't work ._. |
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| 18:25.35 | starenka | hi i somehow lost kded from my qdbus listed apps (using kdm+awesome), can i get i back somehow or, spawn kde powerdevil with other method then qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadModule powerdevil ? |
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| 18:27.34 | dimauro76 | somiaj thank you somiaj, I will try on .bashrc, I think it'll work ;) |
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| 18:37.35 | ska | Anyone know when Lenny will go out of maintenance? |
| 18:37.41 | fyolnish | there's no libc-bin package in lenny right? |
| 18:38.23 | fyolnish | when I installed a package from a newer source it was installed, and now when I try to downgrade, aptitude freaks out and asks me for my root pass since my system will probably break |
| 18:38.24 | arghx | ska: february 2012 |
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| 18:38.36 | fyolnish | or actually "Yes, I am aware this is a very bad idea" |
| 18:39.23 | nkuttler | ska: hasn't been announced yet |
| 18:39.29 | ska | arghx: thats sooner than I thought. IS there a reference to it? ok. |
| 18:40.07 | ska | fyolnish: I don't see that package. |
| 18:40.19 | cantido | fyolnish: aptitude should ask you for your root password if you arent root |
| 18:40.37 | fyolnish | no it asks me to type that I know it's a bad idea, not my root pass :) |
| 18:40.38 | cantido | which is a bad feature IMHO |
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| 18:40.50 | fyolnish | I didnt read the prompt closely enough to notice the first time |
| 18:41.06 | ska | arghx: You serious or just pulling my leg? |
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| 18:41.14 | arghx | ska: oldstable will be supported one year after the new stable comes out. squeeze came out in february 2011 |
| 18:41.24 | arghx | !lenny |
| 18:41.24 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.9>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 18:41.26 | fyolnish | so I wonder if it is actually safe |
| 18:41.52 | skotch | someone can help me? i ve bought a new server (intel xeon) |
| 18:41.59 | skotch | which architeture i should download? |
| 18:41.59 | ska | arghx: ok thanks.. |
| 18:42.03 | skotch | amd64 or ua64? |
| 18:42.06 | skotch | ia* |
| 18:42.07 | arghx | ska: amd64 |
| 18:42.14 | arghx | ia64 is itanium |
| 18:42.18 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: You can't install or remove any package without root permissions. |
| 18:42.22 | skotch | hm |
| 18:42.24 | skotch | are u sure? |
| 18:42.30 | skotch | ty =] |
| 18:42.30 | arghx | yes we are sure. |
| 18:42.33 | arghx | !amd64 |
| 18:42.33 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. Intel Core 2 and Core i3/i5/i7 systems are x86-64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 18:42.36 | fyolnish | Yes I am aware I need to be root |
| 18:42.37 | fyolnish | and I am |
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| 18:42.59 | skotch | !ia64 |
| 18:42.59 | dpkg | Intel Architecture-64 (IA-64) is a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as <Itanium> and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 18:43.15 | arghx | aptitude doesn't ask you for your root password again. wouldn't make sense |
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| 18:44.16 | Sm0ke0ut | Hi. I'm using Debian Stable (Squeeze) and I'd get the following error as soon I try to use apt-get update - E: Release file expired, ignoring http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release (invalid since 5d 2h 36min 59s) |
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| 18:45.27 | arghx | Sm0ke0ut: what does "date" say? |
| 18:45.38 | Sm0ke0ut | root@cpv3:~# date |
| 18:45.39 | Sm0ke0ut | Tue Oct 25 20:44:50 CEST 2011 |
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| 18:45.53 | arghx | !no pubkey |
| 18:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | Mirror problem? Try a different mirror? |
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| 18:49.22 | Sm0ke0ut | does security has a mirror then? I thought it didn't |
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| 18:53.50 | Sm0ke0ut | should've checked my gateway earlier. it seems the file was being cached in the proxy server. |
| 18:53.59 | Sm0ke0ut | solved now :) |
| 18:55.11 | jhutchins_lt | xlnt |
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| 19:02.51 | DarsVaeda | is there something I have to configure (firewall) to get ICQ to work? |
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| 19:04.05 | jhutchins_lt | DarsVaeda: If you've set up a firewall, we can't know how you've configured it, but irc is clearly working for you. |
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| 19:04.50 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: debian doesn't have a default firewall. What are you using as your ICQ client. If you have a custom firewall in your router or machine, we cannot guess what it would be(lots of options) |
| 19:05.27 | DarsVaeda | just a standard debian squeeze install with the minimal installer thing no special setting, so I guess no firewall |
| 19:06.06 | DarsVaeda | I'm using pidgin and have problems connection, but only this device, another with the same IP works |
| 19:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icq |
| 19:06.21 | judd | No package named 'icq' was found in i386. |
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| 19:06.32 | fyolnish | uhgg, I'm downgrading libc6 (from libc6+libc-bin) which deletes libc-bin which deletes /sbin/ldconfig |
| 19:06.39 | fyolnish | and libc6 supplies it |
| 19:06.58 | fyolnish | but my installation process seems to require ldconfig to be there |
| 19:07.00 | fyolnish | => I fail |
| 19:07.13 | arghx | there is a reason downgrades are not supported |
| 19:07.22 | fyolnish | well I still have to find a way to do it |
| 19:07.33 | fyolnish | https://gist.github.com/3a530c66df4716183963 |
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| 19:10.32 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 19:10.49 | simonlnu | has done it before but you gotta be thorough in analysing the result as it may break things subtly later or right then |
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| 19:11.30 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: Save yourself time & trouble. |
| 19:11.41 | jhutchins_lt | fyolnish: Next time make backups. |
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| 19:17.38 | architek | fyolnish: extract the libc6 deb to the root dir |
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| 19:18.26 | fyolnish | I just tried it, and that requires ldconfig too - _ - |
| 19:19.00 | fyolnish | will have to try it on a different machine |
| 19:19.02 | architek | well from antoher system |
| 19:19.48 | orudie | after allocating more space to Debian VM, how can I resize the partition ? |
| 19:19.57 | architek | I wonder why /usr/bin/ar would require ldconfig though |
| 19:20.28 | fyolnish | not sure, I just get "dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH." |
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| 19:20.59 | architek | fyolnish: ar x bla.deb works? |
| 19:21.54 | fyolnish | yep |
| 19:21.55 | fyolnish | thanks |
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| 19:23.25 | ew0x | orudie: depends on the FS you're using, basically umount the FS, grow the partition, resize2fs it, then remount |
| 19:23.49 | fyolnish | thank god.. |
| 19:23.57 | fyolnish | finally works :3 |
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| 19:45.50 | orudie | ew0x, how can I check if its ext2 or ext3 ? |
| 19:46.16 | Digdilem | try looking in /etc/fstab |
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| 19:58.25 | seanp2k | I have virtualbox-40 installed and I have the .deb for virtualbox-41, but `dpkg -i` says I can't install it because it conflicts. I don't want to uninstall virtualbox-40 first and lose all my settings. How can I tell dpkg that I want to "upgrade" virtualbox-40 to virtualbox-41 using [deb] ? |
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| 19:59.08 | seanp2k | here is the exact output from `dpkg -i` http://pastebin.com/ZLuCHZT2 |
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| 20:00.36 | architek | seanp2k: Ubuntu, you are in the wrong channel. hint: don't use dpkg directly, use your package manager |
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| 20:02.30 | seanp2k | architek: OK, how then would I use aptitude to upgrade a package using a file instead of a named software package? |
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| 20:03.19 | TPC | hi, I'm installing debian using debootstrap and thus has to create my own fstab, what virtual filesystems do I have to include? |
| 20:03.33 | TPC | or alternatively: can someone who recently installed debian pastebin their fstab and link me to it? |
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| 20:06.04 | jhutchins_lt | seanp2k: It doesn't work the same as Debian.\ |
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| 20:13.48 | orudie | I need help with resizing partition on the fly |
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| 20:14.09 | jfb86 | orudie : LVM? |
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| 20:15.15 | orudie | jfb86, no. I just want to learn how to do this after allocating more space for debian vm in vmware |
| 20:16.23 | jfb86 | in all cases you have to umount your mountpoint, and after use e2fsck to resize |
| 20:16.41 | en1gma | im looking for an older debian 5 iso in the debian archives and its not listed all the others are though like 4, 3, 2, and 1 etc...where is 5 located |
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| 20:16.52 | gele | hello. |
| 20:16.57 | sephii | is there a tool that periodically checks if a given pid is alive and executes a given action if it is or if it's not? |
| 20:17.10 | Bushmills | sephii: monit |
| 20:17.32 | architek | orudie: the lazy way is using gparted |
| 20:17.50 | sephii | Bushmills: great thanks! |
| 20:17.56 | jfb86 | orudie: architek is right |
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| 20:17.59 | orudie | architek, yes i've done it in gparted plenty of times before |
| 20:18.08 | orudie | now I'd like to do it on a fly |
| 20:18.35 | jfb86 | orudie: on the fly? no, umount, resize, and remount |
| 20:18.41 | jfb86 | i did it |
| 20:18.55 | orudie | jfb86, with symlinks ? |
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| 20:20.51 | gele | i run a dhcp server on my laptop (the one that is the default in squeeze) to share a wireless internet connection with an old desktop computer with no display. the old computer does not sense automatically when the network cable is plugged or unplugged, so it doesn't send a DHCPREQUEST when it's plugged back in after i've been somewhere else with the laptop, which means that i have to wait a couple of minutes until it sends a periodical requ |
| 20:20.52 | gele | est before i can connect to it from the laptop. |
| 20:21.27 | gele | is there any way to make the dhcp server tell the client on the desktop to send a new request immediately? both computers run squeeze. |
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| 20:22.24 | gele | or should i just forget about dhcp and configure the desktop with a static ip? |
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| 20:24.45 | architek | gele: there's a pacakge called ifplugd that detects link down up that you could install on the dhcp client. Not sure if it will do a dhcprequest right away but I guess |
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| 20:25.30 | gele | architek: i don't think the network hardware on the client supports sensing whether the link is up or not. |
| 20:26.12 | en1gma | can someone tell me why i cant find debian 5.0 i386 in the archives but i can see debian 4.0, 3.0, 2.0 and 1.0 and of course 6.0 is around also |
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| 20:26.39 | gaspa | !list |
| 20:26.39 | dpkg | gaspa: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:26.39 | jhutchins | en1gma: It's not archival yet, it's oldstable and still supported. |
| 20:26.54 | en1gma | i couldnt find a link to it on the main website |
| 20:26.55 | jhutchins | !lenny sources |
| 20:27.07 | en1gma | jhutchins do you knnow what i mean |
| 20:27.25 | jhutchins | !lenny sources.list |
| 20:27.25 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:27.48 | jhutchins | en1gma: Are you looking for an installer image? |
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| 20:27.59 | en1gma | the cd i386 bit torrent |
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| 20:28.53 | jhutchins | en1gma: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.9/ |
| 20:29.13 | jhutchins | en1gma: Bittorrent is probably a bad bet these days, not enough seeders. |
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| 20:29.32 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 20:34.09 | en1gma | omg i was just look at the debian kernels...debian 6.0 ships with 2.6.32 ? |
| 20:34.24 | en1gma | i was digging up an older debian 5.0 for no reason |
| 20:35.02 | en1gma | crap i get to use the newer debian 6.0 (my guide says the driver im using only works with kernels 2.6.32 and previous |
| 20:35.55 | jae | I thought I understood http and apt... but apt-get -d in a cron job restarts interrupted downloads at the beginning, always |
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| 20:36.14 | jae | Doing -d manually properly does resumes |
| 20:36.16 | Hydroxide | en1gma: correct, debian 6.0 ships with 2.6.32 |
| 20:36.30 | Hydroxide | en1gma: that way you'll even get security support for more than a few more months, as with 5.0 :) |
| 20:36.56 | en1gma | Hydroxide would you happen to know when i goto install debian 6 will it try and update to a new kernel automatically? |
| 20:37.02 | en1gma | or how i can stop that |
| 20:37.25 | en1gma | or what the exact kernel is it tries to update to. |
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| 20:38.39 | orudie | how can I check if there is unallocated space ? |
| 20:38.46 | gele | en1gma: stable versions of debian don't upgrade the kernel version, they just apply security patches. |
| 20:38.52 | Hydroxide | en1gma: debian 6.0 will never automatically upgrade you past 2.6.32 |
| 20:38.56 | en1gma | awesome |
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| 20:39.04 | en1gma | ok i gonna install it now |
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| 20:45.08 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 20:48.48 | somiaj | en1gma: though its still a kernel upgrade. But its only a few security patches (there have been a few between 6.0.2 and 6.0.3). The kernel shouldn't be drastically different to effect functionality though. (I think debian also added support for some network cards in the newest debian 2.6.32 kernel) |
| 20:49.15 | somiaj | i.e. your just upgrading from 2.6.32-2 to 2.6.32-3 for example, debian version upgrades. |
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| 20:49.31 | en1gma | sweet...i getting ready to fire it up...had to delete my ubuntu 11.10 to make room on my ssd |
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| 20:50.12 | somiaj | though I can't think of any security patches since 6.0.3 as long as you start there, there have only been a handful of securty updates, but non on the kernel I recall |
| 20:50.42 | en1gma | windows just told me i need to restart...brb i installed update |
| 20:50.58 | in2tactics | exit |
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| 20:59.46 | en1gma | installing debian and its asking me about mirrors...whats a fast one for usa |
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| 21:01.24 | en1gma | i picked comumbia |
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| 21:14.28 | en1gma | i was installing debian wiith vmware player and i think it installed grub to my actual real (raid 0 drives) |
| 21:14.34 | en1gma | how can i check |
| 21:16.06 | filePeter | en1gma: Have you rebooted, yet? |
| 21:16.26 | en1gma | im in vmware and it auto rebooted and now its not coming on |
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| 21:16.35 | en1gma | i havent rebooted my windows 7 os though |
| 21:16.52 | nkuttler | en1gma: sounds like a vmware support issue |
| 21:17.11 | nkuttler | en1gma: anyway, "not coming on" doesn't really mean anything |
| 21:17.27 | en1gma | black screen with solid cursor upper left corner |
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| 21:18.05 | en1gma | looks like grub is installed to wrong place |
| 21:18.06 | nkuttler | en1gma: so boot the installer cd and inspect your 'system' |
| 21:18.14 | en1gma | ok let me try |
| 21:18.17 | nkuttler | if the disk wasn't bootable you should get a different error |
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| 21:18.26 | nkuttler | but then, i know nothing about vmware.. |
| 21:18.28 | en1gma | hmm |
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| 21:19.19 | en1gma | i have another distro (older) on vmware that still boots so it shouldnt be to big problem i hope |
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| 21:19.58 | en1gma | the problem is my raid-0 is a software raid made in windows 7 disk management...its not the regular hw raid or bios raid so i dont know what it might have done |
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| 21:21.32 | nkuttler | en1gma: vmware doesn't let you access the hard disks directly, does it? that would be broken by design.. |
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| 21:22.14 | drvladimirtzu | I have Windows 7 installed to sdb2. I saw during installation/grub configuration that it saw the Windows system, but for whatever reason there is no Windows option available on the gnome menu at startup. So what do I need to do to get it there? |
| 21:22.15 | en1gma | yea that is what is strange...like if i run a live iso from vmware it dont see the other drives...that is why i told debian installer to go ahead and install to mbr |
| 21:22.24 | en1gma | thinking it meant the vm hdd mbr |
| 21:22.46 | drvladimirtzu | the grub menu w/e lol |
| 21:23.12 | nkuttler | en1gma: the installer will use whatever hardware vmware shows it.. you should really find the vmware support |
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| 21:23.52 | klemax | apt-get install gnu-cfdisk returns to E: Couldn't find package gnu-cfdisk |
| 21:23.53 | en1gma | ok i headed there soon but i will be back here to uninstall grub i bet...right now im just looking to see what actually happened |
| 21:24.00 | klemax | am I missing something? |
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| 21:26.00 | nkuttler | klemax: did you guess the package name? |
| 21:26.20 | klemax | nkuttler: No, I did not. |
| 21:26.28 | klemax | nkuttler: http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Resizing_disks |
| 21:26.35 | klemax | nkuttler: I've found it in here. |
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| 21:28.28 | nkuttler | klemax: apt-cache search fdisk |
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| 21:29.27 | sencha_ | Debian's kernel takes an awful long time to load, is there any way to speed this up? |
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| 21:31.57 | gary_golden | I want to license a software with least restrictive license, except I want to force to keep original author name. Can you suggest one? |
| 21:32.22 | gary_golden | ideally it could be MIT, but with that author note |
| 21:33.20 | dondelelcaro | gary_golden: the original author's copyright has to be included |
| 21:33.21 | sencha_ | gary_golden, doesn't BSD's license work? |
| 21:33.37 | jameswhite | sencha_: rebuild it with only the options your hardware needs, strip out everything your hardware doesn't. |
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| 21:33.43 | robokop | gary_golden: look at CC-BY, not really focussed on code project but does what you want perhaps |
| 21:34.07 | dondelelcaro | gary_golden: so you can use either the 1,2,4 clause BSD, or the MIT/X11 license. Either one will work |
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| 21:34.23 | gary_golden | sencha_: BSD says that redistibutors can't use author name in marketing. that's all |
| 21:34.36 | sencha_ | ah |
| 21:34.42 | dondelelcaro | gary_golden: and it says that the original author's name has to be included |
| 21:34.52 | gary_golden | dondelelcaro: doesn't it apply to just copyright notice? |
| 21:34.55 | gary_golden | oh |
| 21:34.58 | gary_golden | great, thanks |
| 21:34.59 | dondelelcaro | gary_golden: well, that's the original author's name... |
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| 21:47.22 | Datz | Hi, my ntp server's time is off. When I set the time manually, ntp appears to stop functioning. Is there a way to set ntp timezone? |
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| 21:48.06 | Datz | I don't know why there isn't a manual for ntp either.. |
| 21:48.23 | Gerben | Datz, dkpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 21:48.44 | Datz | ah |
| 21:48.58 | Datz | thanks. I also just saw /usr/bin/tzselect |
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| 21:49.11 | Gerben | do you run your own NTP server, or do you just have a server you want to set the time on using NTP? |
| 21:49.30 | Datz | dkpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 21:49.47 | Datz | 2nd one |
| 21:49.51 | Gerben | dpkg-reconfigure , typo.. |
| 21:49.57 | Datz | oh, thanks |
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| 21:51.11 | Datz | Gerben: thanks, that appeared to work perfectly |
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| 21:52.10 | Datz | let's see what it does to ntp munin graphs :) |
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| 22:00.21 | n-iCe | Hello abrotman here? I am Installing testing AsÃs me for a kernel 3.0.0-1-488 or 3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 22:00.44 | n-iCe | Which one should I install i am Installing 32bits |
| 22:00.48 | n-iCe | Hi all |
| 22:00.53 | Gerben | Datz, your question reminded me of checking it myself... The default ntp configuration didn't work for me, because of firewalling I guess. We have an internal NTP server, just setting up a cron in /etc/cron.daily like "#!/bin/bash(newline)/usr/sbin/ntpdate your.ntpserver" works just as well for your/my setup. |
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| 22:02.10 | Datz | Gerben: I guess that will keep the time up to date, but is it true ntp? |
| 22:02.36 | Gerben | It is true NTP, it receives the time from a NTP server... |
| 22:02.42 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe, you should install the -686 version unless you have a good reason not to (486 is Pentium 1 or so) |
| 22:02.55 | Datz | I mean, you don't need package ntp installed for this to update, right? |
| 22:02.56 | Gerben | NTPD is for running your own NTP server |
| 22:03.04 | n-iCe | Thanks thewanderer1 !! |
| 22:03.10 | Datz | ok, I see. :) |
| 22:03.28 | Gerben | You need some ntp package, but I think it is installed by default, as all my Debian servers have it, and I can't remember installing it |
| 22:03.32 | thewanderer1 | Gerben, Datz: ntpd is for both keeping the time current *and* serving it to others |
| 22:03.46 | thewanderer1 | strange design, I know :P |
| 22:04.19 | Gerben | thewanderer1, ok, so if I only want the time on my own server correct, just the simple cron is as good? |
| 22:04.47 | Datz | ah, gotcha |
| 22:04.54 | thewanderer1 | Gerben, ntpdate is decent, yes, although ntp ensures lesser time jumps I think |
| 22:06.46 | Gerben | I've got the feeling that ESX makes the clock differ a lot more than on oldskool physical machines |
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| 22:09.17 | n-iCe | thewanderer1: But what is pae |
| 22:09.42 | n-iCe | I have too Linux-image-686 with no pae |
| 22:09.55 | arghx | !pae |
| 22:09.55 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 22:10.03 | arghx | only needed if you have 4GB RAM or more |
| 22:10.24 | arghx | Gerben: that feeling is very right. VMs are notorious for that |
| 22:10.29 | n-iCe | Awesome! I have 4 |
| 22:10.34 | n-iCe | Thanks! |
| 22:10.49 | n-iCe | And 686 is fo new pcs? Right? |
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| 22:11.06 | arghx | yes. Athlons and newer, P4 and newer |
| 22:11.26 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe, amd64 is for new PC's... 686's are quite old, actually, but still the newest in 32-bit land :P |
| 22:12.33 | rjsalts | n-iCe: but will work fine on the 64-bit machines if you do want a 32-bit kernel |
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| 22:13.26 | n-iCe | I have a 4gb RAM intel core 2 duo t8400 |
| 22:13.50 | thewanderer1 | hint hint: the Core 2 Duo is amd64 |
| 22:13.54 | n-iCe | Am i perfect with that kernel? |
| 22:13.56 | n-iCe | Oh |
| 22:14.00 | n-iCe | Damn |
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| 22:14.10 | thewanderer1 | 686 will work but you can't use 64-bit features on that |
| 22:14.16 | rjsalts | n-iCe: go with amd64 kernel, even if you're running 32-bit userland, gives you more flexibility |
| 22:14.52 | n-iCe | I am Installing the 32 bits should i remove and use amd64 then? |
| 22:14.57 | arghx | n-iCe: and lots of headaches too. not really worth the bother especially when you only have 4GB |
| 22:15.10 | thewanderer1 | headaches? |
| 22:15.11 | arghx | n-iCe: nah. at 4GB it doesn't really matter |
| 22:15.56 | thewanderer1 | well, I've been on amd64 for years, but do as you please :P |
| 22:15.57 | n-iCe | Ok thanks! Again so i will keep the 32 bits with: 3.0.0-1-686-pae is it perfect? |
| 22:16.21 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe, there is no "perfect" in IT, you're just striking the optimal balance in compromises :P |
| 22:16.24 | rjsalts | n-iCe: it'll be fine, but so would 32-bit with amd64 |
| 22:16.49 | rjsalts | n-iCe: which would get you the advantage that you could run some 64bit stuff in a chroot |
| 22:16.57 | n-iCe | Awesome so i will leave this just like this it is Installing |
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| 22:17.25 | thewanderer1 | sure, you can install an amd64 kernel at a later time |
| 22:17.25 | n-iCe | rjsalts: Not sure if i will ever run that |
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| 22:18.15 | n-iCe | I tried But testing disc 1 is Installing kde |
| 22:18.23 | n-iCe | Dont know why |
| 22:18.30 | rjsalts | I assume the headaches people had with 64-bit was adobe flash, et. al. |
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| 22:19.39 | thewanderer1 | rjsalts, well, Adobe hates amd64 and I'm forced to run an older version of Flash, but it kind of works :P |
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| 22:20.08 | rjsalts | thewanderer1: It seems to work on unstable at the moment |
| 22:20.39 | thewanderer1 | rjsalts, and is an experimental version :P |
| 22:20.50 | rjsalts | aye |
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| 22:22.41 | somiaj | n-iCe: I saw that before, I think due to the state gnome is in with the upgrade to 3.0 in testing, they are just distrubiting the kde installers. |
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| 22:23.30 | n-iCe | Buuu |
| 22:23.32 | n-iCe | Hehehehe |
| 22:23.46 | n-iCe | 32 will be ok i think |
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| 22:27.45 | rjsalts | kde4 has settled down and is usable since about 4.4 |
| 22:28.11 | cookiemon5ter | i would say 4.5.5 wass alright |
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| 22:35.22 | en1gmaa | im at the debian installer screen where it asks me to instal grub...how do i pull up another term where i can do a couple commands |
| 22:35.37 | gnarface | alt-f2? |
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| 22:36.05 | en1gmaa | ahh ok |
| 22:36.11 | en1gmaa | i was trying shift-f2 |
| 22:36.13 | en1gmaa | thanks |
| 22:36.27 | en1gmaa | nope alt-f2 no work |
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| 22:36.30 | en1gmaa | hmm |
| 22:36.45 | gnarface | oh you might need to try ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 22:37.03 | en1gmaa | that one did it |
| 22:37.04 | en1gmaa | thanks |
| 22:38.34 | MSTRCNVS | I installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms but still can't use my GPU with, the X server simply doesn't start. I followed dpkg tip about 'nvidia dkms'. |
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| 22:50.36 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: are these the backported versions you installed? CAn you give us a copy of your xorg log to see why its not loading your card? |
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| 22:52.01 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: Yes, I've backported nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms from sid, here's the log: http://paste.debian.net/139892/ |
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| 22:54.41 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: you ahve to tell your xorg.conf to use the 'nvidia' driver |
| 22:54.50 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: write a very simple xorg.conf, have it contain the following |
| 22:54.56 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: but this log is without the 20-nvidia.conf in the xorg.conf.d directory, is without any xorg configuration, the X starts but without the correctly driver, with the 20-nvidia.conf the X server is unable to start |
| 22:55.19 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: do you wan't me to try selecting nvidia driver and come back here to send you the log? |
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| 22:55.44 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: http://paste.debian.net/139893/ |
| 22:55.58 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: correct, that log isn't loading the nvidia driver, I want to see why the nivida driver fails |
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| 22:56.17 | gnarface | so, anyone have any ideas why out of hundreds of files i'm trying to copy to a SD card randomly it says a handful of them (6 or 7 i think) are already there? |
| 22:56.17 | coppermine | whats a command to check the overall sanity of a debian installation? |
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| 22:56.39 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: Okeydokey, I'll try and come back here to give feedback, thank you for the attention |
| 22:57.04 | themill | coppermine: "sanity"? |
| 22:57.05 | gnarface | coppermine: there's a package called cruft that's used for listing everything on your system that's not part of a package... not sure if that's what you had in mind though |
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| 22:57.15 | themill | debsums? |
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| 22:57.21 | coppermine | gnarface: just trying to avoid a corrupted filesystem |
| 22:57.23 | somiaj | gnarface: how are you coppying these 'hunderes' of files? |
| 22:57.27 | coppermine | so being pro-active about it |
| 22:57.34 | themill | dpkg: tell coppermine about debsums |
| 22:57.37 | somiaj | gnarface: was the sd drive blank before the copy? |
| 22:58.08 | coppermine | so cruft would detect orphaned packages? |
| 22:58.09 | somiaj | gnarface: I'm thinking your globbing or script is just copying the same file name more than once, i.e. you have duplicate files you are trying to copy. |
| 22:58.18 | gnarface | somiaj: i tried rsync, tar, and cp -r several times each. when those didn't work i tried just copying the files individually. |
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| 22:59.37 | gnarface | somiaj: not only was it a blank (new) SD card i also formatted it clean just to be sure. fsck.vfat -r -v -V -l showed no errors before or after the copy. the other hundreds of files worked fine. |
| 22:59.54 | gnarface | somiaj: i verified that it did not run out of space either. |
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| 23:00.27 | somiaj | gnarface: do you have 'long' file names, vfat stll has the 8.3 limit on file names and sometimes tools don't rename things correctly |
| 23:00.56 | gnarface | somiaj: nope, i checked that as well. they're all 8.3 or 7.3 |
| 23:01.42 | somiaj | gnarface: and your coppying over a single file tree, so you dont have thigs like dir1/foo and dir2/foo both being coppied to sd/foo? |
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| 23:02.26 | somiaj | gnarface: seems you have double checked all the obvious culpriates. Anyreason you want vfat filesystem? Have you tried with a non vfat file system. i.e. can you copy the files just fine to say /some/tmp/dir/for/testing |
| 23:02.40 | gnarface | somiaj: actually there is ONE subdirectory. at least two of the the files it says already exist in the subdirectory *are* already in the parent directory. but they're hardly unique in that respect |
| 23:02.56 | gnarface | somiaj: and here's the rsync command i used |
| 23:03.27 | somiaj | gnarface: well as long as you copy the whole tree your fine, but if you are just copying the files (and destroying the tree) dir1/foo and dir2/foo will tried to be copied to the same file |
| 23:03.33 | gnarface | somiaj: rsync --delete-after --size-only -z -x -v -r -W -h --progress -i [src directory] . |
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| 23:03.54 | gnarface | somiaj: i tried several other revisions of that command with the same results. |
| 23:04.29 | somiaj | gnarface: well I'd take the --delete-after off for now. But anyways, can you run an rsync command to copy them somewhere else (not the sd card and not on a vfat file system) without error? |
| 23:04.46 | gnarface | somiaj: stuck with fat32 because the card has to be readable by a handheld device (a handheld gaming system from korea called the GP2X wiz which runs linux so *should* support other filesystems but i'd probably have to install debian first) |
| 23:05.25 | somiaj | gnarface: just suggestion checking to see if its rsync or the card and/or the file system giving you the issue |
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| 23:06.10 | gnarface | somiaj: this may have been a bad idea but when i formatted it i also had mkfs.vfat check for bad blocks. none were reported |
| 23:07.25 | coppermine | ok so cruft listed alot of stuff |
| 23:07.34 | coppermine | and the last section says broken symlinks |
| 23:07.38 | coppermine | witabout 7 links |
| 23:07.44 | coppermine | that means they poitn to something invalid? |
| 23:08.33 | somiaj | gnarface: yea as I said it seems you have gone over the standard culpriates. If you hvae enough space, copy it to a temp location on a nice file system to elimate both the card and the vfat issues. If the rsync command works fine in that case its an issue with the card/file systems, if the rsync command still errors out, its a problem with the command and loosing the directory structure |
| 23:08.36 | gnarface | somiaj: i read fat32 has a 65k file count limit. these two directories have less than 7,000 files total. that couldn't be related could it? |
| 23:08.38 | coppermine | might as well delete them |
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| 23:10.38 | somiaj | gnarface: no I'm sure its something silly. again I would suggest testing it by compying it elsewhere, limit the culprite |
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| 23:11.31 | gnarface | somiaj: i took that suggestion the first time but its 17GB of data so it'll be a few minutes before we find out if its the source directories or my rsync command itself |
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| 23:12.44 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i have set my system to what i like here and want to keep that on a disk or something so i can install it maybe anytime ... can i make an installable liveCD ? |
| 23:12.58 | JCDenton | Is postscreen included with Dovecot by default on Debian? |
| 23:13.00 | gnarface | somiaj: i'm at 4000 of 6588 files now. i don't actually expect problems because i've copied these before, between ext3 and reiserfs filesystems several times. this is the first time in a while that they've been transferred back to fat32 though they all originally were stored there. could hidden files or properties from fat32 persist across ext3 and reiserfs? |
| 23:13.10 | JCDenton | I can't find much documentation on it, but I don't see any mention of postscreen anywhere. |
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| 23:15.32 | somiaj | gnarface: just wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem in your rsync command. Another issue, rsync syncs not only files but permisions, times, links and such things which you cannot alter on a vfat file system. I personaly just use 'cp -r' when copying to a vfat drive since attributes aren't important |
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| 23:16.23 | gnarface | somiaj: i just thought of something that makes me feel pretty stupid. i just realized this is a fat32 formatted, unpartitioned 32GB SDHC card. isn't fat32 supposed to have a 4GB partition limit? maybe that's why i'm getting bizarre behavior... |
| 23:16.27 | somiaj | JCDenton: I don't recall anything about postscreen when I used dovecot. /usr/share/dovecot is one place to look |
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| 23:17.05 | JCDenton | Sorry, this is for postfix |
| 23:17.08 | JCDenton | Not dovecot |
| 23:17.27 | gele | cobra-the-joker: You can get a list of the installed packages using dpkg. |
| 23:17.30 | JCDenton | I don't know why I said Dovecot |
| 23:17.45 | somiaj | gnarface: its been so long since I've used vfat, but wiki says its a 2TB filesystem size limit (partition size) |
| 23:18.02 | somiaj | gnarface: well used it on more than a few GB flash drive |
| 23:18.07 | cobra-the-joker | gele , i want to get them into an installable CD ... preferably a liveCD |
| 23:18.26 | somiaj | JCDenton: don't reconize it with postfix either, might be optional. again /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> contains useful info |
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| 23:18.54 | Dulak | gnarface: fat32 has a 4g file size limit, partitions can be up to 2TB |
| 23:19.08 | gele | cobra-the-joker: you can feed package lists to the live cd creation tools in the live-build package. |
| 23:19.09 | JCDenton | somiaj: http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html Is basically what it is. |
| 23:19.20 | gnarface | Dulak: aah. thanks for the clarification |
| 23:19.29 | gele | cobra-the-joker: and add any scripts you need to replicate the configuration. |
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| 23:21.02 | gele | cobra-the-joker: documentation here: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 23:21.13 | cobra-the-joker | gele , ok thanx |
| 23:22.20 | Dulak | I love the MS kb article workaround for making a partition bigger than 32g at XP installation, use a windows 98 or windows ME startup disk to format, since they aren't limited to 32g partition sizes. That's classic MS right there, go backwards instead of forwards and claim it's a feature. |
| 23:22.23 | gnarface | somiaj: yea it rsyncs just fine to another partition on the same harddrive, so its gotta be something to do with the filesystem or the card... |
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| 23:30.03 | en1gmaa | im following a guide on setting up vmware with debian 6.0 and in it. it says to enable "change repositories from cdrom to ftp.debian.org and security.debian.org" |
| 23:30.12 | en1gmaa | i dont see security repos at all |
| 23:31.07 | babilen | !tell en1gmaa -about security |
| 23:31.19 | simonlnu | !security |
| 23:31.19 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 23:31.31 | en1gmaa | thanks |
| 23:31.38 | somiaj | gnarface: dose cp -a work? |
| 23:31.43 | somiaj | gnarface: arg, cp -r |
| 23:31.56 | themill | en1gmaa: also, don't use ftp.debian.org, use a different mirror |
| 23:32.07 | somiaj | gnarface: don't do -a, since vfat dosen't keep track of most *nix fs info, just copy the files recursivally don't care about syncing permisions, dates, etc |
| 23:32.24 | cantido | themill: ftp.debian.org redirects to a local mirror AFAIK |
| 23:33.05 | themill | cantido: it only uses one of two which isn't really that useful as far as mirroring goes. |
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| 23:33.46 | gnarface | somiaj: cp doesn't even work without options |
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| 23:34.23 | cantido | themill: oh.. I thought it was bit more clever than that :/ |
| 23:35.10 | cantido | ftp.debian.org. 6541 IN NS geo2.debian.org. |
| 23:35.16 | themill | cantido: no. And the Oceania view gives you a server in the Netherlands which would have to be just about the worst choice possible. Perhaps you were thinking of cdn.debian.net |
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| 23:36.22 | cantido | themill: I was pretty sure when someone brought up the us ftp.??.debian. thing before someone else mentioned that its resolved based on location |
| 23:36.42 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i change so that debian debconf only prompts for critical changes programatically? |
| 23:36.49 | somiaj | gnarface: cp -r /src /dest |
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| 23:37.16 | gnarface | somiaj: can i get it to skip files already there? |
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| 23:37.43 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Try rsync |
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| 23:38.06 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: rsync -av <source> <target> |
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| 23:38.10 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: fails. like 7 of 6588 files claim to already be there. |
| 23:38.15 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Will copy only new/changed files. |
| 23:38.16 | themill | cantido: cdn.debian.net works fine, ftp.d.o doesn't do geodns with any sort of cleverness. "dig TXT ftp.debian.org" to see what view you've got |
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| 23:39.05 | cantido | themill: well.. that sucks then |
| 23:39.10 | papabaer123 | hello, i have tried to build the new kernel 3.1 with the exisiting debian.config file by command 'make KDEB_PKGVERSION=1.0-custom deb-pkg -j 4'. I am now wondering why the modules directory is about 1600MB. Any idea where the problem comes from? in addition, all kernel module files seem to be 8 times bigger than that comeing from debian stock kernels |
| 23:40.18 | cantido | papabaer123: not sure on the issue you are having.. try examining the binaries .. but there is a 3.1rc? kernel in experimental |
| 23:40.30 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt, somiaj: would this work to skip files too? cp -i -r [src] [dest]|yes n |
| 23:40.32 | somiaj | gnarface: cp isn't that smart. |
| 23:40.33 | themill | cantido: the mirror network admins don't like geodns because you could get a Release file from a mirror in one state and a Packages file from a mirror in another state because you could feasibly get different IP addresses back for consecutive queries. A consistent view of the mirror is important to keep apt happy. |
| 23:40.57 | themill | cantido: (dns round robins are a consistent problem for this too, esp on ftp.us.d.o) |
| 23:41.05 | cantido | themill: that makes sense |
| 23:41.08 | somiaj | gnarface: it may, but for the first time I would just do a full copy make sure it works. |
| 23:41.08 | papabaer123 | cantido: need to compile the source, as I am trying to create a patch for a driver |
| 23:41.28 | cantido | papabaer123: does the same thing happen if you just do make zImage etc> |
| 23:41.31 | cantido | ? |
| 23:41.57 | papabaer123 | did not try that... |
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| 23:42.09 | iateadonut | if i did this: iostat -c 5 >> /home/home/iostat.log & ... how long will that process run for? until i actively kill it? |
| 23:42.10 | cantido | having symbols etc in the kernel would make it bigger.. but it shouldnt be that big |
| 23:43.35 | somiaj | gnarface: http://www.kylev.com/2005/03/29/rsync-and-vfat/ -- first google search on 'rsycn to vfat' |
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| 23:44.38 | somiaj | gnarface: I'm thinking the issue is hiding somewhere in rsync trying to check all the additional permisions of files as opposed to just name/size which is all that should be needed for a simple vfat copy |
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| 23:44.54 | gnarface | somiaj: OOOH! bingo that's what i was missing. there are totally copies of those files on the disk also in upper-case |
| 23:45.01 | n-iCe | ok I am in testing now guys |
| 23:45.04 | gnarface | somiaj: thanks man i was going nuts. i can't believe i forgot that |
| 23:45.29 | n-iCe | I see this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/j2aEJk57 and my webcam and bluetooth switch is not working, you think is hardware? |
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| 23:46.33 | somiaj | gnarface: I wouldn't have thought of it either, not use to file systems not being case sensitive. |
| 23:47.37 | papabaer123 | cantido: well, bzImage is about 2.7MB which looks ok for me |
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| 23:49.08 | cantido | papabaer123: are the modules still massive? |
| 23:49.35 | papabaer123 | cantido: rebuilding at the moment |
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| 23:51.07 | cantido | n-iCe: probably hardware |
| 23:51.22 | n-iCe | cantido: but few days ago were working |
| 23:51.34 | cantido | n-iCe: what changed? |
| 23:51.41 | n-iCe | and don't find the match between a webcam built-in laptop and the bluetooth switch |
| 23:52.32 | cantido | n-iCe: its failing to enumerate the devices on most ports and disabling the ports from what I can see |
| 23:52.44 | n-iCe | how may I solve it? |
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| 23:53.28 | n-iCe | I am downloading a live cd ubuntu iso, to check if it is debian or hardware, what do you think? |
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