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| 00:38.48 | rawsted | i have a stripped down debian squeeze running on a plug computer (seagate dockstar) and i'm trying to stick it across the room with a usb wireless adapter which seems to be configured correctly, pulling an IP which i can SSH to...unless the wired interface is unplugged. any ideas? |
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| 00:39.35 | [4mat] | hello can anyone give me a guid on how to create a 80mb mini debian custom iso? |
| 00:39.44 | [4mat] | guid=guide |
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| 00:40.37 | dvs | rawsted: Chances are that a wireless USB adapter will need firmware. |
| 00:42.21 | rawsted | dvs: can you clarify? |
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| 00:42.53 | dvs | rawsted: Debian has firmware packages that your adapter may need. |
| 00:43.46 | rawsted | dvs: maybe i was too vague in my original question; the adapter has been loaded with the rtl8187 kernel module and i've configured it in /etc/network/interfaces - it's pulling an IP, i can see it in the clients list on my router |
| 00:44.00 | rawsted | i can SSH to that IP, but *only* if the wired interface is also up/plugged in |
| 00:44.39 | Waiti | hello i have a problem with iptables... i enabled IP FWing with: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 ... After I setup a port FWing (eth0:1) in ip tables: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s secondaryhostip -p tcp --dport 2000 -j DNAT --to-destination destinationip:2000 ... it won't redirect the port. Where is the problem? Thank' 4 help! |
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| 00:44.54 | dvs | rawsted: Then it's using your wired connection. Isn't it? |
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| 00:45.22 | dvs | !rtl8187 |
| 00:45.22 | dpkg | Realtek 802.11b/g PCI and USB wireless LAN chipsets (RTL8180L, RTL8185L, RTL8187L, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180, rtl8187 and rtl8187se/r8187se drivers in the Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x . For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
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| 00:45.53 | [4mat] | hello can anyone give me a guide on how to create a 80mb mini debian custom iso? |
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| 00:46.21 | rawsted | dvs: i suppose? but i don't have any specific routing configured. heck, i don't even have iptables installed |
| 00:46.54 | dvs | rawsted: you don't need iptables for outward connections. |
| 00:47.18 | dvs | rawsted: What does "ip link" say? |
| 00:47.36 | rawsted | can i paste 6 lines? |
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| 00:47.46 | dvs | rawsted: no, use paste |
| 00:47.49 | dvs | !paste |
| 00:47.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 00:48.02 | ZitZ | hello |
| 00:48.13 | rawsted | http://paste.debian.net/133332/ |
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| 00:49.31 | Es0teric | who here is good with proftpd? |
| 00:49.59 | [4mat] | hello does anyone know of a good guide on how to create a 80mb mini debian iso? |
| 00:50.08 | dvs | rawsted: Well, you have both eth0 and wlan0. What's in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 00:50.29 | rawsted | moment |
| 00:50.54 | rawsted | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/133334/ mind the lines which are commented |
| 00:51.04 | Es0teric | ok so i have this permission problem with proftpd.. for some reason, it allows me to login the ftp server but it wont let me edit, delete or create files... i just get errors |
| 00:51.50 | rawsted | maybe i need to specify the driver? it seemed to come up/work without it |
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| 00:53.10 | dvs | rawsted: The "wpa-psk" method has never worked for me with my WPA2 router. |
| 00:53.19 | somiaj | trying to use nouveau drivers -- can't seem to find the kernel module, its included in the kernel tree ro do I have to build it? |
| 00:53.22 | rawsted | dvs: i see.. |
| 00:53.39 | rawsted | should i just comment it out? |
| 00:54.31 | dvs | rawsted: you need some sort of key to connect. I'd use the actual phrase and tighten up the permissions on the file. |
| 00:54.48 | rawsted | dvs: that is the actual phrase heh. the file is 0600 already |
| 00:55.34 | dvs | rawsted: If that is the actual phrase (and not the 64 character code), then it needs to be in quotes. |
| 00:55.50 | rawsted | ah, i'll try that |
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| 00:57.41 | rawsted | dvs: no dice |
| 00:57.54 | dvs | rawsted: If your phrase is exactly 64 characters then it will be interpreted as a numeric hash and not a pass phrase. |
| 00:58.09 | rawsted | seriously? |
| 00:58.18 | dvs | yup |
| 00:58.55 | rawsted | alright let's see if i can connect to the guest network then, which has a considerably weaker pw |
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| 01:06.13 | rawsted | hrm iwlist scan doesn't even pick up the guest network essid |
| 01:06.31 | rawsted | and manually configuring it doesn't seem to work either |
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| 01:08.49 | dvs | rawsted: does iwlist pick up any networks? |
| 01:08.54 | rawsted | dvs: yes |
| 01:09.08 | dvs | at least the card works. |
| 01:09.16 | rawsted | the card is definitely functional |
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| 01:09.40 | rawsted | i'll change the main (non-virtual) network's passphrase, and try that |
| 01:10.06 | dvs | ok |
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| 01:15.04 | danols | hi guys can someone help me where I can change which port exim is listening on ? the default 25 is blocked by my ISP |
| 01:16.02 | daemonkeeper | You can't |
| 01:16.19 | daemonkeeper | Or actually: You may be able to change your port, but it won't help you. |
| 01:16.35 | danols | daemonkeeper: sure it would help |
| 01:16.58 | danols | I've talked to them and they suggested I do that or they can open port 25 --- I would like to change it |
| 01:17.00 | daemonkeeper | No. No foreign mail server will contact you on another port than 25. |
| 01:17.15 | daemonkeeper | +not |
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| 01:17.29 | danols | daemonkeeper: i'm confused |
| 01:17.36 | danols | I just need to change outgoing mail server |
| 01:17.42 | danols | the port for outgoing mail |
| 01:17.55 | dvs | danols: how would a foreign mail server contact yours/ |
| 01:18.17 | daemonkeeper | Outgoing mail goes to port 25 as well, its the remote server which chooses the destination port. |
| 01:18.37 | danols | the change of port is so that I can send from my mail client |
| 01:18.42 | danols | so won't this work ? daemon_smtp_ports = 25 : 465 : 587 |
| 01:18.58 | danols | please correct me if I am getting this all wrong |
| 01:19.30 | daemonkeeper | You can configure your mailserver to listen on whichever port you want, but this won't affect outgoing mail. |
| 01:19.41 | danols | I am so confused |
| 01:20.13 | daemonkeeper | For outgoing mail your server acts as client, the remote peer as server. Hence you connect from a non-privileged port outgoing to remote-mailserver.com:25 |
| 01:20.20 | dvs | !confuse danols |
| 01:20.20 | dpkg | Yes, who are our snake tomorrow, danols? Pants of the People's Republic of Tibet with extra crabpaste. |
| 01:20.31 | danols | lol |
| 01:20.59 | danols | let me clarify |
| 01:21.03 | danols | my server is on the net |
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| 01:21.21 | danols | my home internet provider is block my home computer from accessing my mail server |
| 01:21.58 | daemonkeeper | In that case, use any random port which works for you and connect there. |
| 01:22.02 | danols | in my mail client here at home incoming server is setup to use port 143 |
| 01:22.06 | danols | outgoing is set on port 25 |
| 01:22.14 | rawsted | dvs: sorry, got distracted. changing the passphrase didn't help either |
| 01:22.29 | danols | hmm |
| 01:22.47 | daemonkeeper | 143 is IMAP |
| 01:22.52 | danols | doesn't the server already listen on port 25 and 143 --- can I not in my mail client here just tell it to use 143 for the outgoing server too ? |
| 01:23.06 | daemonkeeper | You talk about SMTP. |
| 01:23.32 | danols | yes |
| 01:23.46 | danols | I'm sorry --- I set this thing up over a year ago --- kind off did in the blind |
| 01:23.49 | daemonkeeper | SMTP is not related to IMAP. That's two different things. |
| 01:24.00 | danols | ok so let me make sure I understand this |
| 01:24.28 | danols | my home ISP is blocking traffic on port 25 so I can't access my SMTP server on the net |
| 01:24.37 | dvs | rawsted: Hmmm. I not sure what else to do. |
| 01:25.02 | danols | if I change my mail server's smtp port to something else I should be able to access my server no problem --- will that cause any issues ? |
| 01:25.04 | daemonkeeper | Just configure your mail server to listen on 2525 (or whatever) too and configure your local MUA to connect there. That should work. |
| 01:25.11 | danols | k |
| 01:25.13 | danols | :) |
| 01:25.17 | daemonkeeper | Just make sure it will /still/ listen to 25 |
| 01:25.31 | danols | k |
| 01:25.33 | daemonkeeper | s/to/on/ |
| 01:25.34 | rawsted | dvs: no worries, i'll pick it up again tomorrow, i think i'm done trying for tonight. thanks! |
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| 01:25.42 | dvs | np |
| 01:26.06 | danols | I assume this daemon_smtp_ports = 25 : 587 will work --- how can I figure out where to put this setting in ? |
| 01:26.25 | danols | I mean you can tell me but I rather you tell me how to find this on a debian system :) |
| 01:26.29 | daemonkeeper | Sounds ok, but I have no clue about exim. |
| 01:26.34 | danols | I have exim setup to use seperate conf files |
| 01:26.39 | danols | ohh :P |
| 01:27.08 | daemonkeeper | You should already be able to connect to 587 by the way, according to your configuration. |
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| 01:28.09 | danols | deamonkeeper I pulled that from the internet |
| 01:28.13 | danols | I don't know if I have that setup |
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| 01:30.10 | daemonkeeper | netstat -lntp |
| 01:31.06 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.10 | danols | but exim is only on 25 |
| 01:31.28 | danols | linux 101 --- how do you 'select' link in the man pages ? |
| 01:31.46 | danols | at bottom of man exim it says SEE ALSO and it points to the exim config file |
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| 01:35.17 | danols | OMG |
| 01:35.23 | danols | jesus linux man is so obscure |
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| 01:37.06 | urlin2u | danols, you use it every day not even realizing it on the web. |
| 01:37.09 | AsuraLe | could anybody kown about alsa ? |
| 01:37.35 | danols | urlin2u: yes I am sure of it :) |
| 01:37.36 | somiaj | AsuraLe: I'm sure there is an actual question hiding in there somewher? Of course ppeople know about alsa. |
| 01:37.56 | danols | is there no alternative to man ? |
| 01:37.58 | AsuraLe | my alsa could not caputre playbacke |
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| 01:38.18 | somiaj | AsuraLe: do you have any errors, care to say what it is you are doing |
| 01:39.30 | AsuraLe | somiaj: my alsamixer have no caputre to pcm~ my version is 1.0.24.2, is that the version bug ? |
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| 01:40.05 | AsuraLe | somiaj: not the caputre device for pcm or mix and so on |
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| 01:40.47 | boudiccas | AsuraLe; you keep saying 'caputre' but what do you mean? |
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| 01:41.23 | babilen | capture? |
| 01:41.23 | somiaj | AsuraLe: cat /proc/asound/cards -- do you have multiple sound cards? |
| 01:42.31 | somiaj | AsuraLe: in alsamixer hit 'tab' to swtich between playback and capture controls |
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| 01:42.48 | AsuraLe | asura@AsuraLee:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 22 1 [NVidia_1 ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfcffc000 irq 16 |
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| 01:43.21 | danols | omg ok |
| 01:43.29 | somiaj | AsuraLe: you have multiple cards, so use alsamixer -c 0 and alsamixer -c 1 to adjust the secondary cards |
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| 01:44.45 | AsuraLe | somiaj: for i wanna record the playback of during my game ,but my capture could not capture the playback but only my mic |
| 01:45.14 | AsuraLe | somiaj: the card 1 seems is a hdmi on my vedio card |
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| 02:00.24 | danols | where the hell am I supposed to put this line daemon_smtp_ports = 25 : 587 file to configure exim properly ? |
| 02:00.29 | danols | please help |
| 02:00.37 | danols | s/file/line |
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| 02:58.01 | tapout | I've got percona, dotdeb and squeeze. I installed percona's mysql, which supplies mysql-common. As soon as I go to install postfix from squeeze, it wants to install mysql-common from dotdeb, thus removing the percona. It's a big circle jerk. I want to have mysql provided from percona, php5 from dotdeb and the rest coming from squeeze... i guess the only way to do this is a preferences that doesn't pin everything |
| 02:58.18 | tapout | selectively pins the packages i want from dotdeb and so on, eh? |
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| 03:00.54 | somiaj | also check the dependencies, they may not be as leient and you are actually installing different versions to satisfy the depends |
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| 03:01.55 | tuv | which package provides postscript drivers for hp printers? |
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| 03:06.00 | tapout | sigh |
| 03:06.02 | tapout | i'm so lost |
| 03:06.25 | tapout | i want to install postfix-mysql, but i have percona-mysql-common-... installed. If I go to install postfix-mysql, it wants to remove the percona* and install mysql-common |
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| 03:06.30 | tapout | what am I supposed to do |
| 03:09.35 | tapout | someone please? |
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| 03:13.05 | windparadise | hi good morning all, apart from hosting, how do I make money from VPS or dedicated server? |
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| 03:20.56 | somiaj | tapout: look at the versions is there a difference in versino of mysql-common and the version provided by percona-mysql-common |
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| 03:28.27 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm using squeeze and was wondering the best p2p software from the repos to download stuff |
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| 03:29.49 | tuv | hplip |
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| 03:30.32 | paranoidphreak | i've tried gtk-gnutella but after a few weeks, it stopped connecting and asked me to upgrade the software but the repos doesn't update the list |
| 03:30.32 | tuv | paranoidphreak: a bunch. rtorrent: mighty fast. deluge: easy to use, easy on the system |
| 03:30.54 | babilen | transmission is worth a look too |
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| 03:32.22 | paranoidphreak | tuv: i'm not looking for a torrent client; i'm looking for something that connects to limewire or gnutella network |
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| 03:33.19 | urlin2u | paranoidphreak, http://www.limewire.com/ |
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| 03:34.08 | paranoidphreak | urlin2u: is there nothing in the repos or i have to download from a site |
| 03:34.12 | paranoidphreak | ? |
| 03:34.40 | urlin2u | paranoidphreak, never used it myself I believe it is closed down. |
| 03:34.59 | urlin2u | for now anyway. |
| 03:35.03 | babilen | paranoidphreak: "apt-cache search gnutella" |
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| 03:36.27 | paranoidphreak | thanks for the suggestion everyone |
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| 03:39.13 | s0n00b | can you nice and ionice at the same time |
| 03:43.26 | jmarsden | s0n00b: ionice -c 3 nice yourcommandgoeshere |
| 03:43.50 | s0n00b | jmarsden, just wondering lol |
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| 03:44.20 | jmarsden | s0n00b: In other words, yes, you can nest them. It's not usually useful, tasks that are io hogs are rarely also cpu hogs... at least in my experience. |
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| 03:44.31 | s0n00b | true |
| 03:44.43 | s0n00b | maybe if its tar gzip |
| 03:45.03 | s0n00b | or bzip2 |
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| 03:46.11 | tapout | is there a way to easily move users between machines? or do you gotta cat passwd | grep user, cut/patse to vipw, and do the same for groups/ vipw -s |
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| 03:47.33 | jmarsden | tapout: On a large scale, you use a central directory service (LDAP or whatever), not /etc/passwd and /etc/groups, then all users can authenticate on hundreds of PCs just fine... |
| 03:47.56 | tapout | 2 servers, one being phased out |
| 03:47.59 | tapout | i will just manually move them |
| 03:48.07 | mjrosenb_ | should apt-get dist-upgrade do anything when i'm running debian-unstable? |
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| 03:48.57 | b0gatyr | hello folks, I created a LV named backup during installation..now that it finished I do fdisk -l I see /dev/sd3 as an LVM but don't see backup |
| 03:49.37 | b0gatyr | should I mount this LVM somewhere? |
| 03:50.18 | windparadise | hello, pls anyone aware of a WHM software for debian? |
| 03:50.28 | mjrosenb_ | windparadise: whm? |
| 03:50.48 | windparadise | yes |
| 03:50.53 | mjrosenb_ | b0gatyr: the kernel should automatically load any lvm groups it finds |
| 03:50.58 | windparadise | to host websites for users |
| 03:51.29 | mjrosenb_ | b0gatyr: they are usually named /dev/LVM_GROUP_NAME/LVM_PARTITION_NAME |
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| 03:52.04 | mjrosenb_ | b0gatyr: there is also /dev/mapper |
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| 03:52.34 | mjrosenb_ | windparadise: so you're just looking for an http server? |
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| 03:53.41 | b0gatyr | mjrosenb_: I would like to start using this LVM for backups, i do see /dev/backup/backup |
| 03:53.55 | windparadise | mjrosenb_: http server>? |
| 03:53.57 | b0gatyr | mjrosenb_: but cant cd into it so I can start placing files |
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| 03:54.41 | Rusty1 | b0gatyr: not in lvscan? |
| 03:54.43 | mjrosenb_ | b0gatyr: right. that is just the partition. think of it as /dev/sda10 |
| 03:54.49 | mjrosenb_ | Rusty1: it has already been scanned |
| 03:54.57 | mjrosenb_ | Rusty1: it sounds like it was never mounted |
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| 03:55.20 | mjrosenb_ | b0gatyr: so you can now mount it like you'd mount anything else |
| 03:55.36 | mjrosenb_ | b0gatyr: and you can put an entry for it in /etc/fstab |
| 03:56.26 | b0gatyr | mjrosenb_ Rusty1 : yeah it has already been scanned |
| 03:56.28 | b0gatyr | ACTIVE '/dev/backup/backup' [139.69 GiB] inherit |
| 03:56.43 | b0gatyr | just missed that last step to mount it somewhere |
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| 03:57.02 | b0gatyr | thank you both |
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| 04:00.24 | b0gatyr | mjrosenb_: do I need to format it with a filesysteM/ |
| 04:00.26 | b0gatyr | ? |
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| 04:01.40 | mjrosenb_ | b0gatyr: yes. |
| 04:02.29 | mjrosenb_ | thinks it has been long enough and re-asks |
| 04:02.47 | mjrosenb_ | does anyone know what apt-get dist-upgade does when running debian-unstable? |
| 04:03.45 | somiaj | mjrosenb_: the diffrence between upgrade and dist-upgrade is upgrade won't add or remove any packages but only upgrade installed pacakges. (so things that either remove or bring in new depends will not be done) |
| 04:04.14 | b0gatyr | mjrosenb_: how would I format before mounting? |
| 04:04.16 | somiaj | dist-upgrade will upgrade all pacakge which includes adding and removing packages as things change. in unstable upgrades just happen more often |
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| 04:04.39 | somiaj | b0gatyr: mkfs on the actual partition, like /dev/sda2 for example (But make sure its the right one) |
| 04:04.47 | somiaj | b0gatyr: you should format an unmounted partition. |
| 04:05.37 | mjrosenb_ | somiaj: ahh, i'm used to dist-upgrade being used for version bumps, and the like |
| 04:05.50 | mjrosenb_ | and with unstable, there really aren't any version bumps |
| 04:06.02 | somiaj | mjrosenb_: there should be no reason pacakges are added or removed in depends on stable, so dist-upgrade isn't needed. |
| 04:06.14 | somiaj | mjrosenb_: correct, but there are times when packages need to be added or removed. |
| 04:06.20 | mjrosenb_ | and by version bump, I mean 4.0->5.0 |
| 04:06.32 | somiaj | depends on how long you go between upgrades |
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| 04:12.46 | kandinski | hi, how do I find which debian package provides a certain executable? |
| 04:13.14 | somiaj | kandinski: apt-file will search your repos, packages.debian.org has search functions for all debian versions |
| 04:13.25 | kandinski | somiaj: thanks |
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| 05:10.41 | danols | anyone with exim4 install and a split configuration ? |
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| 05:16.33 | Hyperion | Are configuration files stored inside /var/lib ? |
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| 05:17.46 | somiaj | Hyperion: no configs, but apt/dpkg put all their caches, histories and the likes there |
| 05:18.29 | somiaj | config files should be in /etc |
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| 05:19.22 | Hyperion | somiaj: Indeed. Silly me haven't fully woke up yet. Thx for the answer |
| 05:19.53 | hyper_ch | hmmm, I have that weird issue with one of the clients in my openvpn. I can ping it but not ssh into it anymore. Yesterday it still worked |
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| 05:20.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | Real Player has a plugin that you can get when you install the free real player software, this plug-in allows one to download videos from the internet. does anyone know if this is available for debian? |
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| 05:21.47 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: plugins you can just install in your home dir and don't nessicrally need a debian pacakge. But there are plugins that will make some videos playable via mplayer or the likes -- are you using iceape? |
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| 05:23.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | my video player is just the default in GNOME, but i ask to make sure installing realplayer is going to be worth it[cant get the plug-in with out the realplayer itself, and i never use the real player itself unless it has codecs i can use elsewhere] |
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| 05:24.01 | somiaj | gecko-mediaplayer seems to be a plugin that will work with media player and should play most formats |
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| 05:24.38 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you can install other video players that can play the files if that is all you want. Playing them over some site which requires a plugin could be hit or miss...not sure on drm with that. |
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| 05:26.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | This plug-in allows me to bypass a sites pay requirement to download videos, or lack of download option, which is helpful when I'm trying to make AMVs and such, I dont need the plug in to watch them |
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| 05:28.57 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: well if you can find a linux binary of the plugin that works with debian, just put it in your home dir in the plugin folder...don't need to install anything on the debian system. |
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| 05:32.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok, I was asking becuase even realplayer doesn't release it except as an extra on the player itself[and i really dont care to have the player if i can get another player that may have ALL potential codecs i need] |
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| 05:36.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | well fuck, nvm, realplayer completely discontinued Linux support... |
| 05:38.30 | Waiti | hello i've got some problem with a bash script. could someone help me? Here is the script: -> http://pastebin.com/2Rcznk9i |
| 05:39.11 | Waiti | it tells me Syntax error: Unexceptet end |
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| 05:39.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | User SashaNeko just messaged me stating they are unable to post to the IRC receiving this message "can't send to channel" anyone got a fix for this person? |
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| 05:40.58 | Waiti | expected... |
| 05:41.16 | p_quarles | sounds like they were set +q, Darkelfjuggalo |
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| 05:42.28 | streuner_ | SashaNeko: logout and login as user, dont IRC as root... |
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| 05:43.23 | SashaNeko | hello |
| 05:43.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | i was IRCing from root for a few days without a problem |
| 05:43.34 | SashaNeko | can anyone hear me? |
| 05:43.45 | streuner_ | SashaNeko: no :-P |
| 05:43.46 | Darkelfjuggalo | there you are sasha |
| 05:43.49 | SashaNeko | awesome |
| 05:43.53 | SashaNeko | okay so here's the thing |
| 05:44.08 | SashaNeko | i have a debian laptop and a debian backup server |
| 05:44.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | lol i dont here anything either, but i do see you |
| 05:44.18 | SashaNeko | and i somehow misplaced my two scrips |
| 05:44.22 | SashaNeko | i had two scripts |
| 05:44.39 | SashaNeko | one to back up the laptop to the server via rsync and one download one to the laptop |
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| 05:44.49 | SashaNeko | and now i need to download the backup to my laptop |
| 05:44.52 | SashaNeko | any help? |
| 05:45.36 | SashaNeko | i guess i need help writing a rsync command to download the backup |
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| 05:46.15 | somiaj | hmm, still messing with the nouvenu drivers, they are working but even though XVideo extensions say they are loaded in the xorg.log file I get 'no adaptors present' from 'xvinfo' |
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| 05:48.10 | SashaNeko | so yeah can i get help writing an rsync command |
| 05:48.52 | Ender79 | anyone have any idea why USB keyboard/mouse resume is such a problem for me? if i enable the /proc/acpi/wakeup entry for the USB bus that my mouse and keyboard are on, the computer will not fall asleep ... even if I pull ALL usb devices out |
| 05:49.22 | streuner_ | SashaNeko: that sounds like a #bash question |
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| 06:00.41 | SashaNeko | i have another question |
| 06:01.07 | SashaNeko | do you guys remember the command to find out what my wireless card is so i can figure to set up my drivers |
| 06:01.13 | SashaNeko | i know a driver exists i just forget the card |
| 06:02.51 | SashaNeko | nvm i remember it |
| 06:02.59 | somiaj | SashaNeko: ifconfig -a should show all devices |
| 06:03.55 | streuner_ | man lspci? |
| 06:04.25 | streuner_ | if its USB, try lsusb |
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| 06:12.13 | somiaj | lshw also has some good info... |
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| 06:13.57 | lulzfish_4 | All right I've been looking around a bit and I'm really confused |
| 06:14.05 | lulzfish_4 | Where do I download images of unstable? |
| 06:14.36 | lulzfish_4 | bittorrent would be great |
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| 06:14.41 | streuner_ | using ubuntu? |
| 06:14.54 | lulzfish_4 | Why? |
| 06:16.13 | wols | lulzfish_4: if you have to ask such questions, sid is not for you |
| 06:16.23 | wols | lulzfish_4: have you installed debian squeeze? |
| 06:17.01 | lulzfish_4 | wols: No I think it's fine I just can't make much sense of the website |
| 06:17.27 | wols | lulzfish_4: then I wish you good luck and recommend you install squeeze. but it's your choice of course |
| 06:17.39 | lulzfish_4 | squeeze is 6.0, right? |
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| 06:17.48 | wols | squeeze |
| 06:17.50 | wols | !squeeze |
| 06:17.50 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.2>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 06:21.10 | lulzfish_4 | I haven't used debian before, is there some trick to this |
| 06:21.25 | deStone | if I have a script running - is there a way to find out where its starting easily? I took ownership of a server and its got a random script that starts and i have no idea where |
| 06:21.41 | wols | deStone: pstree maybe? |
| 06:21.45 | streuner_ | lulzfish_4: if you are able to read and learn, no. |
| 06:22.19 | lulzfish_4 | streuner_: Okay well according to some random junk Google found from 2003, I could install stable then change the sources list |
| 06:22.24 | lulzfish_4 | Is that the right thing to read |
| 06:22.27 | wols | lulzfish_4: because you haven't used debian before, sid is not exactly suited for you. and which is why we recommend squeeze. cause there, stuff works |
| 06:22.51 | deStone | thanks i'll try |
| 06:23.00 | lulzfish_4 | wols: Well, I have squeeze in a VM here and it seems to have a very old version of redis, and I want a newer version of redis |
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| 06:23.14 | wols | !tell lulzfish_4 about backports |
| 06:23.36 | wols | what is "redis" exactly? |
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| 06:23.45 | no_gravity | Good Morning Debian world. Is there somewhere a list of attributes that the linux chattr command takes? |
| 06:23.57 | streuner_ | lulzfish_4: i prefer installing stable and upgrading to unstable - /msg dpkg source.list for more infos |
| 06:24.53 | wols | ,checkbackport redis-server |
| 06:24.55 | judd | Backporting package redis-server in sidâsqueeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied. |
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| 06:25.10 | streuner_ | lulzfish_4: you will get an idea how this work here -> /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 06:25.17 | wols | lulzfish_4: so no reason to use sid |
| 06:25.29 | lulzfish_4 | oh okay thanks |
| 06:25.32 | wols | no_gravity: have you read "man chattr" ? |
| 06:25.50 | lulzfish_4 | dpkg must be a bot around here? |
| 06:25.52 | dpkg | lulzfish_4: wish i knew |
| 06:25.57 | streuner_ | yes |
| 06:26.03 | wols | chatr probably coming from GNU, there is probably some info docs too somewhere (non-free due to FDL) |
| 06:26.05 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 06:26.05 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 06:26.07 | lulzfish_4 | oh it's the one that already spoke to me |
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| 06:32.09 | lulzfish_4 | Wow, that was easy. Thanks. |
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| 06:32.52 | streuner_ | wols: oh, a nice treat in debian-devel :-) |
| 06:33.00 | streuner_ | s/treat/threat/ |
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| 06:33.06 | wols | streuner_: ? |
| 06:33.08 | syserr0r | http://www.flickr.com/photos/spackletoe/90811910/ |
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| 06:36.35 | no_gravity | wols: yes |
| 06:36.43 | streuner_ | wols: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/10/msg00001.html |
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| 06:40.09 | streuner_ | "On both channels I> was told off for asking my questions by PMing someone> who replied to my posting on the channel. My nick was Ti-chan." |
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| 06:41.56 | streuner_ | DOH |
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| 06:42.06 | danux769 | hello |
| 06:42.52 | danux769 | i have only one lenny 32 cd, and i wanna go to squeeze amd64 |
| 06:42.52 | amphi | streuner_: dear ghod |
| 06:43.14 | danux769 | now i have small lenny install |
| 06:44.15 | danux769 | best way is lenny 32 > squeeze 32 > squeeze amd64 ? |
| 06:44.41 | amphi | streuner_: < Ti-chan> Hi. Could someone who has a remotely comprehensive understanding of partitioning and is not a complete dumbass help me out? |
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| 06:44.54 | amphi | streuner_: that was the opening gambit |
| 06:45.23 | streuner_ | amphi: i have no idea, what he expected then. |
| 06:46.16 | syserr0r | is it possible to go from a 32 bit install to a 64 bit install? |
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| 06:46.46 | amphi | streuner_: I like the revelation that he was going to donate millions of dollars to debian, but now won't ;) |
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| 06:49.15 | wols | syserr0r: it is not |
| 06:49.40 | syserr0r | ok that's what i thought |
| 06:49.53 | wols | syserr0r: get a squeeze amd64 netinst and install it |
| 06:51.13 | syserr0r | i was interested in danux's question |
| 06:53.44 | danux769 | yes, i can t create cd and gigabyte don t boot on usb key....... |
| 06:54.06 | danux769 | have only one lenny cd 32..... |
| 06:54.50 | danux769 | strange, yes but real |
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| 06:55.59 | danux769 | but i can boot on usb hd 40g, exist a way for have netinst on usb 40g hdd ? |
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| 07:05.50 | wols | !tell danux769 about usb install |
| 07:06.26 | wols | simply dd'ing over the the iso won't work in this case since it would overwrite your whole usb-hdd |
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| 07:11.07 | dwfreed | Also, most bioses don't expect to find an el-torito boot image on a device they consider to be a hard drive (flash drives usually fall into this category too), so they won't boot it |
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| 07:20.21 | qmr | any way to make remote ssh sessions moar responsive? |
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| 07:21.05 | PerfDave | Define "responsive"? Use a lower-latency link? :) |
| 07:21.43 | qmr | maybe I should install a telnetd :P |
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| 07:25.04 | PerfDave | I'm not sure the encryption on SSH is the cause of any lag, depending on what you're connecting into ;) |
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| 07:30.11 | qmr | 286 4mB RAM |
| 07:30.16 | qmr | it's ok I hav ea big swap file |
| 07:30.56 | PerfDave | What OS are you running on that? |
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| 07:32.02 | qmr | I'm being facetious :p I'm connecting to a VPS, I believe it's something like 500mhz 256m ram |
| 07:32.41 | Efazati | i have one directory and i want monitor all sub if some one edit some file or somethings i want alert me ... how i can do this? |
| 07:32.42 | deadlyninja | i have a closed source binary, it is generating a log file in 32bit mode. the log file fills up to 2gb after about 2-3weeks, then nothing more is written to it. i found out this is a 32bit limitation. Is there any way to intercept 32bit fopens and convert them to 64bit? im thinking something the way sound daemons used to intercept OSS fopens? |
| 07:33.25 | qmr | Efazati: write a daemon to watch the file mtimes |
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| 07:33.43 | amphi | Efazati: you could use inotifywait |
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| 07:35.43 | BlastHardcheese | deadlyninja: it would be a lot easier to just archive the log |
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| 07:38.15 | marti | hi, how can I use static DNS in wvdial under debian? |
| 07:38.35 | marti | I was found some tutorials on Internet, but this is not working |
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| 07:44.00 | wols | marti: make resolv.conf immutable (for example) |
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| 07:50.32 | marti | in resolv.conf I got DNS of my ISP, in /etc/wvdial.conf I got autodns = off, and in /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial I got hashed usepeersdns |
| 07:50.50 | marti | but wvdial will connect with auto dns |
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| 07:56.21 | valdyn | marti: "userpeerdns" |
| 07:56.49 | marti | yup |
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| 07:57.07 | marti | I'll check it |
| 07:57.23 | marti | but it hashed anyway:P |
| 07:59.27 | valdyn | marti: are you 100% sure that wvdial will still modify the dns entry? |
| 08:00.04 | marti | not modify, just connect on different DNS |
| 08:00.05 | valdyn | marti: and you dont have this header in resolv.conf # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 08:00.16 | valdyn | marti: thats confusing |
| 08:00.32 | valdyn | marti: the dns server is determined by the contents of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:00.52 | valdyn | marti: if that file is not modified then that means that everything is working as you want it |
| 08:01.29 | valdyn | marti: "connect on different DNS" makes no sense in that context |
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| 08:03.26 | marti | in /etc/resolv.conf I have 194.204.159.1 and 194.204.152.34, but wvdial connecting via 79.163.127.70 and 217.116.100.65 |
| 08:03.43 | valdyn | marti: no |
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| 08:04.18 | marti | huh? |
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| 08:04.30 | valdyn | marti: wvdial cannot "overide" /etc/resolv.conf . It certainly could modify that file, but it cannot change the fact that /etc/resolv.conf sets your nameserver |
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| 08:05.11 | valdyn | marti: you misunderstand somehow how this works. Connecting "via" a nameserver makes no sense either. |
| 08:05.39 | valdyn | marti: i suspect your confusing the advertised nameserver with the one thats actually used |
| 08:06.23 | marti | hmm |
| 08:06.51 | valdyn | marti: maybe wvdial is showing information that is somehow ambigious |
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| 08:06.52 | marti | 79.163 ... show me in terminal while I am connecting |
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| 08:07.11 | valdyn | marti: doesnt matter, only /etc/resolv.conf sets your nameserver |
| 08:08.01 | valdyn | marti: and your connection settings cannot change whats advertised, they can only change whats being used |
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| 08:12.48 | marti | okay, if I am not sure I am connected on these dns I can't attack my ISP, why my network is not stability |
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| 08:13.14 | valdyn | marti: how can you not be sure after what i told you? |
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| 08:13.43 | marti | I need to disconnect now:) thx |
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| 08:15.51 | hje841 | how do I move my /home folder to a folder on an existing partition? currently the folder is empty |
| 08:16.21 | wols | with "mv" |
| 08:16.30 | dimir | Or dd. :-P |
| 08:16.46 | wols | I suggest you logout from your normal user before doing it and logging in as root only |
| 08:17.13 | hje841 | right. and then I need to mount it and add it to fstab, but how??? |
| 08:17.44 | wols | this other partition isn't mounted yet? |
| 08:17.59 | hje841 | not on boot |
| 08:18.04 | wols | before you can use mv, you need to mount it first |
| 08:18.11 | wols | man fstab |
| 08:19.29 | wols | hje841: maybe explain better what your problem with mounting it at boot is |
| 08:20.01 | hje841 | what should I type in fstab to get it working? |
| 08:20.27 | wols | have you read the manpage and have you tried on your own yet? |
| 08:20.27 | valdyn | hje841: type "man fstab" in your terminal and read |
| 08:20.35 | hje841 | wols: will do |
| 08:20.45 | hje841 | not yet |
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| 09:04.10 | p_quarles | is there a way to take an image of a running OS partition in Debian? I've been looking, but all the image software I can find (dd, partimage) requires the disk to be offline |
| 09:04.55 | wols | p_quarles: only if you remount / readonly |
| 09:04.58 | BlastHardcheese | you can use dd, the problem is things can write to the partition while you're reading it |
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| 09:06.01 | p_quarles | I've heard that lvm-snapshot can do this, but I can find no instructions for how... anyone familiar with that? |
| 09:06.08 | BlastHardcheese | you can create a device-mapper snapshot, that involves a little work though |
| 09:06.17 | wols | p_quarles: are you using lvm? |
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| 09:06.38 | p_quarles | wols: I'm not, but would be willing to re-setup if necessary |
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| 09:07.05 | BlastHardcheese | or you can just boot to a livecd |
| 09:07.10 | p_quarles | BlastHardcheese: any good tutorials? |
| 09:07.22 | BlastHardcheese | tutorials for what |
| 09:07.25 | wols | p_quarles: "re-setup" would basically mean a total debian reinstall |
| 09:07.39 | wols | I think using a Live-CD is easier.. |
| 09:07.45 | p_quarles | well, yes I know that, but the issue is keeping backups without adding downtime |
| 09:07.56 | p_quarles | wols: yep, I know |
| 09:08.29 | BlastHardcheese | you probably want to look into device-mapper then |
| 09:08.38 | brolin_empey | Why do I always get only a blinking cursor in character mode when I boot from my 2 TB HDD (Advanced Format) after installing both GRUB Legacy and GRUB 2 to the HDDâs MBR? |
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| 09:10.24 | p_quarles | wols: frankly, the reason I'm looking for this is not because my server is critical for anything, but because it's headless, and rebooting into a live environment is a huge pain; a way of making semi-regular live backups would be a huge value-added proposition |
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| 09:10.42 | brolin_empey | My /boot/ volume is ext4, but GRUB should still work. |
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| 09:14.55 | brolin_empey | can boot Debian GNU/Linux from ext4 volumes on the 2 TB HDD by manually issuing commands (root, kernel, initrd, boot) to GRUB4DOS on Bartâs Ultimate Boot CD v5.0.0 but the PC needs to be able to boot from the 2 TB HDD without any removable media or user intervention. |
| 09:16.56 | brolin_empey | p_quarles: Can you connect a small (<= 19") LCD monitor and keyboard so you have a video console when you need it? |
| 09:18.08 | p_quarles | brolin_empey: of course I can, but I'd prefer not to and don't see what that has to do with making a live backup of my / partition |
| 09:19.33 | hje841 | reg boot pauses at 'Waiting for /dev to be fully populated. What to do? |
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| 09:20.31 | brolin_empey | p_quarles: So use rsync, possibly over ssh? |
| 09:22.49 | wols | brolin_empey: why do you install grub legacy? |
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| 09:23.15 | p_quarles | brolin_empey: I mean no disrespect, and I know you're trying to come up with alternate solutions, but I'm looking for a live image, not backups of individual files |
| 09:23.21 | wols | brolin_empey: can your BIOS deal with big sectors? |
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| 09:27.07 | brolin_empey | wols: I âclonedâ (using rsync, not disk imaging software) a Debian GNU/Linux installation in ext3 volumes on a 400 GB HDD to ext4 volumes on a 2 TB HDD; GRUB Legacy was working on the 400 GB HDD so I expected it to work on the 2 TB HDD too. |
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| 09:31.03 | brolin_empey | wols: How do I know if my BIOS can handle big sectors? I am booting from a SATA2 host controller on a conventional PCI expansion card because the 2 TB SATA3 HDD does not work with the motherboardâs onboard SATA1-only host controller. |
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| 09:34.16 | xand | if you're not using the onboard controller the BIOS doesn't matter |
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| 09:37.19 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: and you're able to choose the 2TB device to boot from in the bios boot menu? |
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| 09:38.39 | wols | xand: depends if the sata2 controller has its own BIOS, no? |
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| 09:41.59 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: If I press F8 for the boot device selection menu while AMIBIOS 8 is booting, the 2 TB HDD is listed using its model name (ST2000DL003) in the boot device selection menu. |
| 09:42.25 | jelly-home | so, yes |
| 09:42.46 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: what if you make /boot ext3? |
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| 09:44.11 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: I was hoping I would not have to resort to that, but it is worth trying. |
| 09:44.55 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: can you pastebin your partition table layout? |
| 09:45.20 | jelly-home | eg. sfdisk -d /dev/sdX if it's a classic DOS partition table |
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| 09:47.53 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: Probably, but I am using IRC on a different computer. The first partition on the HDD is an extended partition; the first logical partition contains the /boot/ ext4 volume. |
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| 09:48.52 | hje841 | is it possible to mess things up on a harddrive by 'guessing' the wrong filesystem in fstab? |
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| 09:49.11 | BlastHardcheese | hje841: no, it just won't mount |
| 09:49.30 | BlastHardcheese | hje841: you can have the kernel guess for you, just put auto for fstype |
| 09:50.01 | jelly-home | BlastHardcheese: I'm more interested in exact offset of the first partition, and size of that small free space before it |
| 09:50.07 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: I'm more interested in exact offset of the first partition, and size of that small free space before it |
| 09:50.36 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: if it's too small grub2 will have issues. Not sure how grub legacy deals with it |
| 09:50.49 | hje841 | BlastHardcheese: thanks. :) my problem is that it won't boot at all now. It's "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" after my fstab edit. not even recovery mode will let me in to root terminal |
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| 09:51.37 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: it's unusual to put /boot as a logical partition, I'd except it a primary partition for maximum compatibility |
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| 09:52.25 | BlastHardcheese | hje841: were you editing the /dev line |
| 09:52.30 | jelly-home | but both legacy and 2 should support that anyway |
| 09:52.38 | wols | hje841: what did you put in your fstab? |
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| 09:53.04 | Name141 | I'm assuming I'd want the i386 netinst iso for a 32bit OS? |
| 09:54.02 | hje841 | BlastHardcheese: I put in something like |
| 09:54.04 | hje841 | /dev/sda5 /media/DATA ext4 nodev,nosuid 0 2 |
| 09:54.07 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: I thought the Advanced Format HDDâs controller/firmware is supposed to abstract the 4096 B sectors from the host computer so the host computer thinks the HDD uses 512 B sectors. |
| 09:55.02 | Name141 | then the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/ia64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-ia64-netinst.iso for a 64bit install ? |
| 09:55.03 | hje841 | it wont even let my boot into Win7 properly from grub |
| 09:55.17 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: it does. |
| 09:55.22 | wols | Name141: no. you need amd64 for the 64bit x86 |
| 09:55.40 | wols | hje841: and what is the problem there? what error? |
| 09:56.03 | Name141 | wols: so it's http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso , and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 09:56.04 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: probably. I don't know if there are any true 4KiB sector devices in the market yet... there will be soon. |
| 09:56.06 | hje841 | well... windows doesn't really tell you anything on boot |
| 09:56.13 | Name141 | for a 64bit install, then a 32bit ? |
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| 09:56.51 | wols | Name141: yes |
| 09:57.15 | wols | jelly-home: you can't run any of them in 4k only mapping? |
| 09:57.30 | Name141 | wols: Alright. Will debian always give it's users the freedom of what GUI it wants ? Rather than trying to force some unity on it's users? |
| 09:57.51 | Name141 | (gui they want , not it) |
| 09:57.52 | wols | Name141: it has so for the last >10 years. I doubt they'll ever change |
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| 09:58.12 | Name141 | good. Looks like the OS to switch to then. |
| 09:58.12 | jelly-home | wols: I have not seen one that even had that tunable. |
| 09:58.13 | wols | Name141: debian always allows you to install a system without X or any DE |
| 09:58.26 | thewanderer1 | Name141: Debian may drop old versions of desktop environments, for example KDE3 is no longer installable from the normal repository, but you always have a choice as to what environment to install |
| 09:58.41 | wols | jelly-home: and what about 3TB drives? how the heck do they work when they only expose 512byte sectors? |
| 09:58.44 | babilen | Name141: FWIW, you do not have to use unity on Ubuntu as well, but ask #ubuntu about that. You are still welcome to use Debian though. |
| 09:58.45 | thewanderer1 | at some point, I expect that GNOME2 will be dropped in favour of GNOME3 |
| 09:58.55 | jelly-home | wols: no idea, feel free to send me one |
| 09:58.56 | Atlantic777 | Can you recommend me a guide for configuring the debian or whatever other *nix about administration of home computers. :D |
| 09:59.11 | hje841 | I'm trying to boot from a Lubuntu usb drive, but after the initital screen it just goes black with a cursor blinking on top. this is after selecting 'try Lubuntu' |
| 09:59.20 | joltcan | Atlantic777: The debian manual? It's available on the debian homepage |
| 09:59.26 | Atlantic777 | I've installed Ubuntu on one of our computers, and users did broke it up, so I failed with the setup. |
| 09:59.34 | Name141 | babilen: well they are taking out 'ubuntu-classic' next release.. I'd just rather switch over. |
| 09:59.37 | thewanderer1 | Atlantic777: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 09:59.39 | wols | jelly-home: I guess they can allow access to >2,2TB only via LBA, but still. the headache for normal users must be awful with this setup |
| 09:59.59 | wols | Atlantic777: don't give your users root |
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| 10:00.34 | Atlantic777 | wols: should I give them permission to install packages? |
| 10:00.42 | wols | hje841: we cannot diagnose lubuntu boot problems. why can't you use a debian CD/installer/boot medium? |
| 10:00.48 | babilen | Name141: That is not what I meant -- you can install something like gnome-session-fallback (not sure ask them) which will give you a vanilla 2.30 Gnome interface. |
| 10:00.50 | wols | Atlantic777: no |
| 10:01.13 | Name141 | babilen: yeah, but.. I'd still have to see unity at first.. and that makes me sad |
| 10:01.30 | hje841 | is there a live recovery mode in the Debian installation? |
| 10:02.03 | wols | !tell hje841 about rescue mode |
| 10:02.09 | babilen | Name141: I am perfectly fine if you use Debian, just wanted to point out that unity itself is not a good reason. Have fun! |
| 10:02.26 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: The ext3 /boot/ volume in a logical partition works fine on the 400 GB HDD. |
| 10:02.38 | freifahrt | p_quarles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1Soft_Hot_copy |
| 10:02.53 | thewanderer1 | Atlantic777: a user is a user. administrators are for installing packages, users are for putting the software to use. |
| 10:02.57 | Name141 | babilen: that's like saying not using KDE isn't a good reason not to use Kubuntu.. KDE makes me want to tear the screen apart, but Unity makes me want to tear it apart and set fire to it. |
| 10:03.26 | p_quarles | freifahrt: interesting; thanks! |
| 10:03.31 | thewanderer1 | Name141: because of this dispute, our university's net admin set the default DE to XFCE... :P |
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| 10:03.51 | Name141 | I like XFCE for my pentium 2. |
| 10:03.53 | Atlantic777 | thewanderer1: but situation is specific, it's for my parrents. I couldn't see them as customers. Know I realise I should do it that way... |
| 10:03.58 | Name141 | that.. I finally just keep off |
| 10:03.58 | freifahrt | p_quarles: good topic you brought up |
| 10:04.02 | Name141 | it's not worth the power |
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| 10:05.59 | thewanderer1 | Atlantic777: if people don't have qualifications to make proper use of something, make sure that they can't do it, or otherwise they'll do it very, very wrong. it applies universally, especially among family because they assume the computer is a common good and try to bork it all ways possible... |
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| 10:06.28 | Name141 | ooh, while I'm at it. Do I have to add some repos to get the AMD(ATi)/nVidia drivers? |
| 10:06.43 | Atlantic777 | thewanderer1: so different accounts for mother and father isn't so bad idea? :D |
| 10:07.08 | thewanderer1 | Atlantic777: every person needs their own user account not to interfere with each other's work - it's a rule of the thumb that most Windows users don't seem to understand |
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| 10:07.54 | thewanderer1 | Name141: proprietary FGLRX and NVIDIA drivers are available from the non-free section of the Debian repository |
| 10:08.16 | Name141 | thewanderer1: so there's nothing I'd have to do other than enable the repos? |
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| 10:08.36 | Name141 | (and apt-get update) |
| 10:08.40 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 10:08.49 | thewanderer1 | then you can install the drivers |
| 10:09.07 | jelly-home | Name141: installation and setup steps for those are a bit weird though |
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| 10:09.43 | wols | Name141: /msg dpkg fglrx /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 10:11.45 | Name141 | any idea how good it'd support a 4670 ATi vs a nVidia 8300 GS? |
| 10:12.16 | thewanderer1 | nVidia 8300 GS should just work, no idea about the ATi (no experience with the brand) |
| 10:12.21 | hje841 | running fsck in rescue mode comes up with a warning that it WILL cause SEVERE filesystem damage. What kind of damage? |
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| 10:12.42 | Name141 | thewanderer1: I just got my 4670 back yesterday.. had to RMA it :-@ |
| 10:13.06 | wols | both will work out of the box. ati one should have 3D support, nvidia not. both with free drivers |
| 10:13.35 | wols | hje841: is the partition you want to fsck mounted? |
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| 10:13.39 | iderik3 | Im having a problem with Teamspeak 3, it works on Ubuntu but not on Debian. I've tried to google but no result. The problem is that I cant enable the speakers, it says "Cant enable playback device, no such device". Am I missing a package or something similar? |
| 10:13.40 | thewanderer1 | hje841: ah, yes... although the ati 3D support is somewhat flaky with the free drivers, depends on the programs much |
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| 10:14.06 | hje841 | wols: yes. it's partition I entered rescue mode for |
| 10:14.08 | Atlantic777 | Is it ok to enable autologin on the home compter? |
| 10:14.10 | cafaro | What is a useful way of determining which daemons aren't used? I'm running a debian server where I only run a couple of daemons, but rcconf shows the autoload list is much bigger. Googling the daemon names doesn't help much either in some cases... |
| 10:14.13 | wols | iderik3: sound output works normally? and you have only one sound device? |
| 10:14.35 | wols | hje841: that's why you can't fsck it. when you have mounted it already, why would you want to fsck it anyways? |
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| 10:14.51 | iderik3 | wols: yep, it works everywhere but Teamspeak. I do only have one soundcard and I am using ALSA (i guess its default when installed) |
| 10:15.13 | wols | iderik3: run teamspeak from a xterm and check if it outputs anything. if it doesn't, you will need to use strace |
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| 10:15.26 | hje841 | wols: to see if anything is wrong. boot wont let me past "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" |
| 10:15.39 | thewanderer1 | iderik3: you installed an Ubuntu package didn't you... |
| 10:15.48 | wols | hje841: that is no filesystem brokenness problem |
| 10:16.23 | hje841 | wols: any other suggestions then? |
| 10:16.46 | iderik3 | thewanderer1: i dont think so, i downloaded it from their website |
| 10:16.54 | wols | hje841: how far along does it get before you get the error message? |
| 10:17.10 | iderik3 | wols: i see, it says "couldnt connect to a pulseaudio server.", I dont think i got pulseaudio package at all |
| 10:17.17 | wols | hje841: e.g. is it a initrd error or is / already mounted and init running? |
| 10:17.50 | thewanderer1 | iderik3: oh, guess what. they assume you have PulseAudio running. now, which distro do you think uses PulseAudio? :) |
| 10:18.49 | hje841 | wols: it gets past 'Synthesizing the initial hotplug events ... done' and then 'Waiting...' |
| 10:18.57 | iderik3 | thewanderer1: buhuuu :( if you look 2 lines up, you can see i showed an error msg just like you said :/ so its not possible to install pulseaudio on debian? :O |
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| 10:19.37 | wols | thewanderer1: doesn't fedora use it too? after all, it's made by RH |
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| 10:19.54 | thewanderer1 | iderik3: it is possible... but maybe you should be using a sane application like Mumble (it's free!) instead of a blob like this |
| 10:20.03 | wols | hje841: what is your partition layout? |
| 10:20.45 | iderik3 | thewanderer1: i wish i could, i really do! but since the whole community uses teamspeak i am forced to do that too |
| 10:20.50 | cafaro | do you need x11-common service if you aren't running? I'm not sure if I can safefully disable this.. |
| 10:21.00 | cafaro | if you aren't running X* |
| 10:21.15 | thewanderer1 | iderik3: install pulseaudio, then |
| 10:21.25 | wols | cafaro: yes. various X clients need it |
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| 10:21.51 | wols | !wayttd cafaro |
| 10:21.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cafaro? |
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| 10:22.31 | wols | cafaro: have you actually looked into the file? |
| 10:22.32 | hje841 | wols: one primary with Win7 then an extended with Debian as logic, swap, and a data part |
| 10:22.49 | cafaro | wols: I am trying to disable services on my server, that aren't used for anything |
| 10:22.52 | wols | hje841: fdisk -l and the contents of /etc/fstab please? |
| 10:23.02 | iderik3 | thewanderer1: thank you for the help, do i need a reboot now? |
| 10:23.13 | wols | !reboot |
| 10:23.13 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 10:23.13 | thewanderer1 | iderik3: you need to at least log out and relogin |
| 10:23.39 | hje841 | wols: I'm on IRC on a different computer, but give me a sec |
| 10:24.00 | Hyperion | If one package must be installed first in order to install a second one, then a) first package must be specified in the second one's pre-depends field or b) second package must be specified in the first one's pre-depends field? |
| 10:24.01 | wols | hje841: do not paste in here |
| 10:24.18 | hje841 | wols: I can't paste from a broken comp... |
| 10:24.43 | wols | hje841: does this other computer not have a network connection (ethx?) |
| 10:25.01 | wols | just cause you are in rescue mode doesn't mean the network chips cease to work... |
| 10:25.02 | hje841 | wols: it does actually |
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| 10:25.47 | wols | hje841: you are mistaken |
| 10:25.47 | Virtualmix | As anyone experienced very hight CPU load since recent Xorg update on Wheezy? It makes my system unusable :-( |
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| 10:26.18 | hje841 | wols: I meant positive on your first statement :D I do have an IP address |
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| 10:27.05 | abaddon | Virtualmix i updated yesterday and i dont, is X or another program creating the load? |
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| 10:27.45 | wols | abaddon: try again. this time english please? |
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| 10:28.39 | Virtualmix | abaddon: yes, /usr/bin/Xorg is going crazy as soon as I use some programs such as firefox or Xchat (no problem with Chromium and some other) |
| 10:29.09 | abaddon | wols ? |
| 10:29.26 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 10:29.35 | HardDisk_WP | someone here who has experience with multiple network interfaces aka interface aliases? |
| 10:29.40 | Virtualmix | abaddon: I'm using non-free nvidia driver and I suspect this may be the cause. I'm not sure what to do. |
| 10:29.54 | wols | HardDisk_WP: you should know better than that. try again |
| 10:29.55 | abaddon | yea i do too, sorry not using that one though |
| 10:30.18 | wols | Virtualmix: if you suspect it, then try nouveau |
| 10:30.34 | HardDisk_WP | wols, yeah, but I dont want to post my network config in public here. last time i did that, i had to get a new IP range... some idiot decided to DDoS me |
| 10:30.36 | abaddon | wols haha nm, i re-read my statement out of context and it sounds funny too |
| 10:31.09 | HardDisk_WP | point is, even though route -evn shows defaultroute via eth0, all traffic goes via eth0:0 (other servers see requests originating from its ip) |
| 10:31.37 | HardDisk_WP | and the eth0:0 inet6 entries in /etc/network/interfaces dont get applied to eth0:0 but to eth0 instead |
| 10:32.14 | wols | HardDisk_WP: you are not new here. your initial question was just braindead. and you know that |
| 10:32.16 | Virtualmix | wols: I have the package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed, how can I make sure it is the driver loaded? |
| 10:32.39 | HardDisk_WP | hmm yeah, a bit braindead, you're right |
| 10:32.40 | wols | Virtualmix: make sure kms is active, and don't have a xorg.conf |
| 10:32.43 | HardDisk_WP | i admit^^ |
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| 10:33.34 | boudiccas | Is there such a thing or program as 'pdf2latex' under debian please? |
| 10:33.40 | wols | HardDisk_WP: I suggest you state your problem without any real ipv6 ips if you are paranoid. but enough metatalk. you better try to solve your problem |
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| 10:34.05 | Virtualmix | wols: I can delete my xorg.conf (or rename) but how can I make sure kms is active? |
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| 10:34.36 | wols | !tell Virtualmix about kms |
| 10:34.45 | hje841 | wols: fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/mLwEMza1 |
| 10:35.35 | thewanderer1 | ,file pdf2latex |
| 10:35.39 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 10:36.18 | hje841 | wols: fstab http://pastebin.com/LYSa2w2b |
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| 10:37.04 | boudiccas | ,file pdftolatex |
| 10:37.10 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 10:37.24 | boudiccas | hmm, i guess that i'm mistaken then |
| 10:37.33 | boudiccas | thanks anyway |
| 10:37.34 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/2086058 |
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| 10:38.02 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: I'm not really sure if it's possible to map PDF to LaTeX losslessly... they don't seem to have 1:1 feature parity |
| 10:38.09 | soomsoom | wow... gnome2 is so much fun |
| 10:38.12 | wols | hje841: I neither allow cookies for pastebins nor do I do stupid captchas for them |
| 10:38.37 | hje841 | wols: ?? |
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| 10:39.45 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; the situation is that i have a pdf that i wrote using latex, which i now have to rewrite since i lost the source files. i've converted it to txt, but wondered if there was a tool to convert from pdf -> latex missing out the txt bit in the middle |
| 10:39.46 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: that seems ok wrt enough space in the beginning, the usual 63 sectors. |
| 10:39.47 | iderik | thewanderer1: pulseaudio is up and running, teamspeak do now connect to pulseaudio server. Still I cannot enable sound in teamspeak, when i try to push testbutton to play a sound, it says there is no playback device. Settings are set to: Playback Mode=ASLA, Playback Device=Default. Where is this Default defined, maybe i have to register it somewhere? |
| 10:40.24 | thewanderer1 | iderik: set playback mode to PulseAudio instead of ALSA |
| 10:41.02 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: less optimal in that the partitions are not 4KiB aligned, but that's not important for grub. Will impact small writes performance. |
| 10:41.03 | iderik | thewanderer1: ALSA is the only option to choose on, same with Playback Device (default) |
| 10:41.22 | thewanderer1 | iderik: that's interesting... it seems to be a very kludgy and broken program, then |
| 10:41.40 | thewanderer1 | watch the console output once again and see what it comes up with this time |
| 10:42.30 | hje841 | wols: what pastebin do you suggest? I'm using the tool pastebinit from my rescue terminal |
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| 10:42.53 | wols | !paste |
| 10:42.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 10:43.00 | iderik | thewanderer1: everything seems fine on initialize, like it connected to pulseaudio server just fine. but i get an error when pushing the testbutton, which is that there is no playback device and it might not be registered/known. |
| 10:43.41 | thewanderer1 | iderik: I don't know about problems specific to this application... try the user manual or their forums if they have them |
| 10:43.54 | iderik | thewanderer1: i will, thank you again :) |
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| 10:45.31 | hje841 | wols: fstab http://paste.debian.net/133389 fdisk -l http://paste.debian.net/133391 |
| 10:45.39 | wols | hje841: you only changed an fstab line and then this problem suddenly appeared? and windows 7 isn't booting either? cause both of these together more sound like a hardware problem than a software one to me |
| 10:45.53 | HardDisk_WP | wols, http://pastebin.com/iGzVkXq7 is my whole network config |
| 10:46.27 | eternit13 | hi! could somebody tell me how to get colors in terminal? i used to have gentoo where username@hostname in shell was colored, is it possible in debian? |
| 10:46.39 | wols | HardDisk_WP: I didn't say I knew about your ipv6 problems, sorry |
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| 10:46.48 | hje841 | wols: ouch.. I was afraid of this. what diagnostics tool do you suggest? |
| 10:47.01 | wols | eternit13: sure. use the same PS1 env variable as in gentoo |
| 10:47.03 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: don't use interface aliases |
| 10:47.04 | HardDisk_WP | wols, its not just the ipv6 stuff, that's not a huge problem. the bigger problem is the default route stuff |
| 10:47.24 | HardDisk_WP | thewanderer1, ok but how do i then use the four IPs my provider assigned me? |
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| 10:47.46 | HardDisk_WP | i only have one NIC in the server |
| 10:47.47 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: you don't need interface aliases for multiple addresses |
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| 10:48.08 | thewanderer1 | it's perfectly fine to add a few addresses to one interface |
| 10:48.46 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 10:48.47 | HardDisk_WP | but still the main question is, how do I direct the outgoing traffic over 89.238.66.xx2 ? |
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| 10:49.06 | HardDisk_WP | at the moment it originates from 89.238.66.xx3 which screws my network statistics |
| 10:49.22 | thewanderer1 | use the source option in iproute2 |
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| 10:49.57 | thewanderer1 | I don't think /etc/network/interfaces was really designed with multiple addresses in mind |
| 10:50.10 | wols | hje841: windows bootlog for example. I think it's something disk related but not sure |
| 10:50.24 | eternit13 | wols: umm how do i change env variables? |
| 10:50.28 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: but if you specify the .xx2 address as primary and the others as secondaries, all traffic should go out through the primary AFAIK |
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| 10:50.41 | evilxdeadly | ss |
| 10:50.43 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 10:50.43 | eternit13 | ss |
| 10:50.51 | evilxdeadly | yo eternitl3 : |
| 10:51.01 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: set the primary address in interfaces and then add secondaries using "up ip route add blah blah blah" |
| 10:51.06 | wols | eternit13: grep PS ~/.bash* |
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| 10:51.20 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: so you use triggers instead of multiple aliases, which are by the way a hack |
| 10:51.29 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: Have you redd http://seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/mb6101_smartalign_technology_faq.pdf ? |
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| 10:52.04 | HardDisk_WP | kk, thanks for the hints |
| 10:52.16 | HardDisk_WP | lets see if I can manage this without bricking everything ;) |
| 10:52.55 | eternit13 | wols: thank you so much! it worked :) |
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| 10:54.12 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: no, not until now. It says: "Seagate encourages our customers to use operating systems and configuration tools that create aligned hard drive partitions. |
| 10:54.12 | jelly-home | Be sure to install 4K-aware operating systems, such as Windows 7 and Mac OS, or 4K-aware hard drive partitioning utilities" |
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| 10:55.06 | jelly-home | brolin_empey: if it's a new drive, I see no reason why NOT to align the filesystems anyway |
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| 10:57.27 | arpawolf | just curious- sound works great- but is their a way to "make louder" the max sound on the mixers used for sound? "Would like them a bit louder when listening" ;-) ?? |
| 10:57.55 | BlastHardcheese | buy an amplifier |
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| 10:58.49 | eternit13 | i used image debian-live-6.0.2-i386-standard.iso for testing server on virtual box, but which image would be equal for real amd64 server? |
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| 11:03.44 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:08.32 | flamingspinach | er, what's the name of the tool that configures the default theme for GTK+ programs, again? |
| 11:09.04 | thewanderer1 | gtk-theme-chooser or so? O.o |
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| 11:11.04 | Virtualmix | I'm back with my Xorg over-loading CPU problem. I tried to remove nvidia non-free driver to see if this was the cause of the troubles but I had some serious display problems instead. |
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| 11:12.12 | amphi | flamingspinach: gtk-chtheme is what I have here |
| 11:12.50 | flamingspinach | hmm |
| 11:12.59 | flamingspinach | I thought I had something installed which did this, but neither of those are installed... |
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| 11:13.06 | flamingspinach | iirc it didn't have "gtk" in its name |
| 11:13.08 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: GRUB 2 boots from the 2 TB HDD after I ran â# grub-install --recheck /dev/sdaâ. I suspect grub-install without --recheck failed because grub-install was using device map files which rsync copied from the 400 GB HDD to the 2 TB HDD. (fail) |
| 11:13.12 | flamingspinach | so I'm not sure how to grep for it :P |
| 11:13.18 | Virtualmix | Is there a way I can downgrade xorg packages to its previous version on Wheezy? |
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| 11:16.10 | jicko3 | on which < 100$ SDD would you install Debian in a laptop? |
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| 11:16.32 | jelly-home | jicko3: onda that works in your laptop |
| 11:16.35 | jelly-home | one* |
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| 11:26.14 | biz | what's the supposed solution for testing and unstable users with nvidia cards as of 24 sep? There's no package (xserver-xorg-core<1.11) providing xorg-video-abi-10 available anymore. |
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| 11:27.21 | biz | (latest nvidia driver in the archive requires abi version 10) |
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| 11:31.56 | asdjaputra3 | jicko3: won't be WD, for sure |
| 11:32.38 | jicko3 | asdjuputra3: if you are talking about Western Digital... I don't think they are bulding SSDs |
| 11:33.50 | biz | Virtualmix: use aptitude interactively or apt-get install package=version |
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| 11:34.23 | biz | Virtualmix: use apt-cache madison to list available versions |
| 11:34.38 | Virtualmix | biz: Thank you! |
| 11:35.23 | obiwahn | anybody got the nvidia driver 275.28 running on sid/amd64? |
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| 11:37.02 | Virtualmix | Is there somewhere I can see the history of the packages I installed/removed/upgraded ? |
| 11:37.50 | asdjaputra3 | jicko3: right, sorry for misleading |
| 11:37.53 | biz | Virtualmix: /var/log/apt/* |
| 11:38.11 | Virtualmix | biz: thanks again |
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| 11:42.12 | wols | biz: iirc it was "downgrade X" |
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| 11:47.23 | Virtualmix | Actually I can't downgrade these packages because they're not in the repo anymore... |
| 11:47.55 | biz | that's what I just wrote above ;) |
| 11:48.07 | biz | somehow the constraint of "need abi version 10" didn't make it into nvidia package's control files |
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| 11:48.37 | biz | so now you have to get xserver-xorg-core (and dependencies) with abi version 10 manually |
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| 11:49.51 | biz | was lucky to have xserver-xorg-core 1.10 left in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 11:51.14 | wols | !tell biz about sdn |
| 11:51.19 | freerabit | can dhcpd serve IP to my wifi laptop?? |
| 11:51.39 | wols | freerabit: why wouldn't it? |
| 11:51.59 | freerabit | wols: i was tryin this, and the client is a windows 7.. |
| 11:53.13 | wols | it doesn't matter how a dhcp client connects and what OS it uses |
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| 11:55.27 | biz | freerabit: make sure your wlan router or access point doesn't provide dhcp itself |
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| 11:57.03 | freerabit | i see dhcp leases in messages log whenever a laptop connects to the network.. |
| 11:57.16 | freerabit | but the thing is i am not able to statically assign the IP in the dhcpd.conf. |
| 11:57.41 | freerabit | if i do that, windows says, the connection is limited... |
| 11:59.06 | jicko3 | am I seeing correct that neither the current squeeze kernel nor ext3 support TRIM? |
| 12:00.29 | biz | freerabit: afaik "limited" in windows lingo usually means the dhcpd didn't provide dns servers or the default gateway |
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| 12:03.16 | Mangoziroshin | Hello. |
| 12:03.26 | freerabit | biz: oh..ok.. |
| 12:03.30 | Mangoziroshin | I have debian testing with gnome, network manager and the gnome network manager applet. |
| 12:04.08 | freerabit | biz: ok..i don't exactly remember the output of ifconfig that i gave then.. |
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| 12:04.17 | freerabit | biz: sorry ipconfig i gave.. |
| 12:04.23 | freerabit | biz: need to check out.. |
| 12:04.24 | abrotman | ifconfig ? |
| 12:04.44 | Mangoziroshin | I am currently connected to a wireless network which seems to work for almost any connection - except website stuff. The admin panel of the associated router shows that there are no specific configurations which could instill such behaviour. |
| 12:05.16 | freerabit | but if it did release the ip, how can i make dns and gateway info also to be fetched by windows?? |
| 12:05.23 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: does your ISP perhaps have a proxy? |
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| 12:05.44 | Mangoziroshin | It seems anything that isn't specified with a name address but with an IP only works - so, it seems like a nameserver issue. |
| 12:06.08 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: ah, so check your DNS settings, cat /etc/resolv.conf .. does it make sense? |
| 12:06.09 | Mangoziroshin | abaddon: there are other devices connected which are working - amongst them, Ubuntu has been reported to work. |
| 12:06.18 | Mangoziroshin | Well, the local router is in there |
| 12:06.40 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: nslookup www.google.com .. does it work ? |
| 12:06.42 | Mangoziroshin | With its local IP address. In case it has a caching service, that would make sense. I am not sure about that. |
| 12:06.47 | Mangoziroshin | Ill have a try. |
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| 12:07.23 | Mangoziroshin | It is delivering IP addresses. I have added a proxy server into /etc/resolv.conf, though. |
| 12:07.40 | Mangoziroshin | I doubt it does anything, as browser are still having issues. |
| 12:07.48 | Virtualmix | Thanks again biz |
| 12:08.13 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: you don't need a proxy server in your resolv.conf |
| 12:08.36 | Mangoziroshin | Sorry, DNS server. |
| 12:09.04 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: telnet www.google.com 80 .. then type 'GET /' .. do you get anything ? |
| 12:09.33 | Mangoziroshin | The telnet command hangs. |
| 12:09.46 | Mangoziroshin | Ah, wait |
| 12:10.00 | Mangoziroshin | Yes, I got something. |
| 12:10.08 | Mangoziroshin | 302 moved |
| 12:10.17 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: have you tried more than one browser? |
| 12:10.23 | Mangoziroshin | Epiphany and firefox |
| 12:10.27 | Mangoziroshin | wget is also having trouble |
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| 12:10.39 | Mangoziroshin | "unable to resolve host address" |
| 12:10.53 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: aptitude install xorg gnome .. does it want to install anything ? |
| 12:11.02 | Mangoziroshin | I have installed apps |
| 12:11.10 | Mangoziroshin | And I remember to have configured apt for http |
| 12:11.19 | Mangoziroshin | (amongst those apps were the irc client I am using now) |
| 12:11.33 | Mangoziroshin | *was |
| 12:12.03 | abrotman | configure apt for http? |
| 12:12.11 | abaddon | maybe paste your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/host.conf |
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| 12:12.18 | Mangoziroshin | It asked me at the installation procedure whether I'd like ftp or http |
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| 12:12.30 | abrotman | oh ..different .. nevemrind |
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| 12:12.52 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: aptitude install xorg gnome .. does it want to install anything ? |
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| 12:13.58 | Mangoziroshin | I typed apt-get install kde-full - it does want to install. |
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| 12:14.35 | Mangoziroshin | moment, trying aptitude |
| 12:14.57 | Mangoziroshin | Aptitude does want to install as well |
| 12:15.06 | ompaul | Mangoziroshin: what is the error message |
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| 12:15.33 | abrotman | thought he was using gnome ... |
| 12:16.45 | Mangoziroshin | It doesnt error, it asks me whether I'd like to accept the solution when trying kde-full. |
| 12:17.03 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: Well, that's why if I choose gnome it doesn't want to install anything. :p |
| 12:17.13 | traumgeist | lol |
| 12:17.13 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: i asked you to install two packages .. |
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| 12:18.25 | Mangoziroshin | aptitude install xorg gnome ends in "need to get 0" etc. and terminates. |
| 12:18.32 | hyper_ch | hi there, can you get the netinstall images from a server in Europe? Debian.de points to debian.org and on there is only a link to the US server |
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| 12:19.10 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: So, no, it doesn't want to install anything. |
| 12:19.38 | asdjaputra3 | try getting one from a mirror nearby |
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| 12:20.46 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: you said wget has issues also ? |
| 12:21.10 | Mangoziroshin | Yes, "wget: unable to resolve host address `google.com'" |
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| 12:21.56 | hyper_ch | Mangoziroshin: looks like you don't have any nameservers defined |
| 12:22.01 | hyper_ch | Mangoziroshin: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:22.16 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: strace -o /tmp/dnsfail wget www.google.com |
| 12:22.17 | Mangoziroshin | When I start Epiphany, the debian.org page works, by the way. I can click around in it, too. But when I call it using the address bar, it fails. |
| 12:22.25 | abrotman | hyper_ch: we covered that already |
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| 12:22.41 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: then put that /tmp/dnsfail in a pastebin at paste.debian.net |
| 12:22.55 | hyper_ch | abrotman: sorry |
| 12:23.20 | Mangoziroshin | I am not sure whether I would be able to call it on that machine here, though. |
| 12:23.51 | Mangoziroshin | Ill just copy-type it using another machine that works. |
| 12:23.56 | Mangoziroshin | (to the pastebin) |
| 12:23.56 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: we can use #flood if you prefer |
| 12:24.04 | Mangoziroshin | Though.. s trace. |
| 12:24.06 | Mangoziroshin | Okay. |
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| 12:24.15 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: it will be hundreds or thousands of lines .. you'll never be able to type it in |
| 12:24.33 | Mangoziroshin | Yeah, I figured. I was thinking about something else. |
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| 12:25.16 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: or you could get to paste.debian.net by IP |
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| 12:25.48 | Mangoziroshin | I was thinking of that, but doubting it would give me the pastebin, depending on webserver configuration. Ill try it. |
| 12:25.53 | ompaul | hyper_ch: certainly but your question lacks some clarity. What version of debian |
| 12:26.06 | hyper_ch | ompaul: I found it meanwhile :) thx though |
| 12:26.19 | ompaul | hyper_ch: you are welcome. |
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| 12:26.53 | babilen | thewanderer1: https://github.com/briancarper/cow-blog/tree/master/src/blog might give you an impression as well (randomly picked, uses compojure (clojure web framework) though) |
| 12:27.05 | babilen | ECHAN |
| 12:28.53 | Grav | Hi there, I have just installed debian 6 stable. Is there some app for auto-mounting discs or fstab is only way? |
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| 12:29.10 | rly | Why can't all Stable packages be build with Stable? |
| 12:29.23 | abrotman | rly: they can, if they can't, it's a bug |
| 12:29.27 | Grav | and is there something i can do with fonts, they look off |
| 12:29.28 | abrotman | Grav: in console or X? |
| 12:29.56 | rly | abrotman: at least apt-get build-dep calibre fails, which I believe to be equivalent. |
| 12:29.57 | Shadur | abrotman: That's a Grave-level bug, isn't it? |
| 12:30.02 | Grav | abrotman: doesn't matter i was just looking for fast way to do it |
| 12:30.08 | abrotman | rly: pastebin please |
| 12:30.16 | rly | abrotman: perhaps I made a mistake. |
| 12:30.22 | abrotman | Grav: it does matter .. different DE/WMs have some of that built-in |
| 12:30.48 | abrotman | Shadur: it's FTBFS I suppose .. not 100% sure |
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| 12:31.37 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: strace says it's unable to resolve the host address. |
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| 12:31.44 | rly | abrotman: I never said a word. |
| 12:31.57 | Mangoziroshin | Now, to look a tthe trace file |
| 12:32.10 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: i wanted to see the strace |
| 12:32.13 | Mangoziroshin | Sorry, I mislooked. It was of course wget that said it. |
| 12:32.14 | abrotman | rly: all worked out? :) |
| 12:32.15 | Mangoziroshin | Yes, moment. |
| 12:32.46 | rly | abrotman: except my real world goal has not been achieved, which is building calibre from source. |
| 12:32.51 | Mangoziroshin | I remember there was a command line paster.. though whether it worked better than a browser remains questionable. I guess Ill stuff it to flood.. |
| 12:32.55 | abrotman | rly: on i386? |
| 12:33.01 | rly | abrotman: but that's outside of Debian's control. |
| 12:33.03 | rly | abrotman: yes |
| 12:33.03 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: pastebinit |
| 12:33.06 | abrotman | rly: let me try |
| 12:33.19 | rly | abrotman: (the bzr repository) |
| 12:33.23 | rly | abrotman: it is 600MB. |
| 12:33.24 | Grav | abrotman: i meant it doesn't matter to me. What would you recommend? |
| 12:33.36 | abrotman | rly: oh! .. you want to build from their source on debian stable ? |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | Grav: kde? gnome? neither? |
| 12:33.46 | abaddon | Mangoziroshin maybe paste your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/host.conf somewhere |
| 12:33.55 | abrotman | abaddon: we've covered that ... |
| 12:34.10 | Grav | abrotman: gnome |
| 12:34.21 | rly | abrotman: yes. I would ideally like to have a system on which I can install some unstable applications, but which don't upgrade my whole system as a result of that. |
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| 12:34.52 | abrotman | Grav: aptitude install gnome .. it includes an automounter |
| 12:34.55 | rly | (NixOS provides this in theory, but doesn't have nearly enough packages.) |
| 12:35.04 | abrotman | !tell rly about uupdate |
| 12:35.15 | abrotman | and good luck :) |
| 12:36.12 | Grav | abrotman: but i have gnome |
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| 12:36.54 | abrotman | Grav: then you should already have it .. and when you insert a CD, etc .. it should ask you what you want to do with it .. |
| 12:37.45 | Grav | abrotman: I meant, i want to mount other disks, ntfs from windows at boot |
| 12:38.12 | abrotman | oh! |
| 12:38.20 | abrotman | sorry, my mistake |
| 12:38.28 | abrotman | Grav: mount them for all users to access? |
| 12:38.46 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: /etc/host.conf has "multi on" in it - nothing else. The other files Ill post to flood now |
| 12:39.01 | Grav | abrotman: yes, i'm the only user anyway |
| 12:39.01 | thewanderer1 | is it even possible to map NTFS perms to UNIX credentials cleanly? :/ |
| 12:39.44 | jelly-home | no, but the other way around is possible |
| 12:40.00 | abrotman | Grav: you can either use fstab, or i think gnome has a way to mount stuff as soon as you logon |
| 12:41.40 | Grav | abrotman: well i know about fstab, was wondering if there is a easier way |
| 12:41.42 | peterrooney | thewanderer1: I wouldn't bet on that. for NTFS -> *nix, , many many filename extensions map onto exec bit |
| 12:42.32 | abrotman | Grav: unless you use the gnome method, not that i know of |
| 12:42.42 | thewanderer1 | peterrooney: I meant the SID mess and how to map those to UIDs... Samba has a full arsenal of hacks that do it |
| 12:43.07 | thewanderer1 | Grav: fstab is the standard, proven way that's been in use for decades. if it works, don't fix it :) |
| 12:43.21 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: you can't get to paste.debian.net by IP ? |
| 12:43.29 | Grav | abrotman: but where can i enable this in gnome? i know ubuntu had pysdm, but it isnt in debian? |
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| 12:43.34 | Mangoziroshin | It just shows me some random page with some picture. |
| 12:43.44 | Mangoziroshin | Obviously, the webserver doesn't like me talking to it that way. |
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| 12:44.31 | Mangoziroshin | Maybe ompld will work, let's see.. |
| 12:45.58 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: I tried DCCing the strace file to you, it didn't work, as expected. |
| 12:45.59 | nameless` | hi, i've got a script which set all my iptables rules. Where should i put it ? i put it in init.d but since i upgrade to squeeze it's not LSB compliant. And it doesn't makes sense really to have a "stop()" |
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| 12:47.24 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: make it LSB compliant |
| 12:47.52 | abrotman | Grav: have you gotten the ntfs drive to mount in gnome? does it give oyu the option to make it permanent ? |
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| 12:48.31 | nameless` | thewanderer1: ok :] |
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| 12:49.00 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: btw I can lend you my firewall solution |
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| 12:49.26 | abrotman | nameless`: in your pre-up for your interfaces .. that's the best place .. not its own in it script |
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| 12:49.31 | abrotman | its own init script |
| 12:50.10 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: might be reasonable, but how do you know which interface to assign it to? |
| 12:50.26 | abrotman | thewanderer1: the first one? |
| 12:51.01 | thewanderer1 | might not make much sense... why would Shorewall be in init.d, then? |
| 12:51.10 | abrotman | i don't use shorewall .. ask them |
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| 12:51.20 | abrotman | and he didn't ask about shorewall |
| 12:51.24 | thewanderer1 | indeed |
| 12:51.37 | thewanderer1 | it seems to be standard that firewall scripts start at system boot, though |
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| 12:51.46 | nameless` | thewanderer1: is might be interesting yes |
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| 12:53.09 | nameless` | abrotman: pre-up, that's a good idea, i'll think about it |
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| 12:53.43 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: my firewall script: http://paste.debian.net/133408/ (uses /etc/firewall/1_file, 2_file etc. or "stop" file when it's stopped) |
| 12:53.53 | abrotman | use pre-up .. |
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| 12:54.02 | abrotman | that's the correct way to do it |
| 12:54.49 | thewanderer1 | I see it as an issue of being able to turn on/off the firewall using an init script vs. having it enabled at all times when the network is up |
| 12:55.40 | abrotman | if you have it, why are you turning it off? and even then, why can't you just delete the rules you want? |
| 12:56.07 | nameless` | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 12:56.22 | demooriaan | firestarter fw-script is in /etc/network/if-up.d and *if-down.d, respectively |
| 12:56.29 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: convenience, I suppose |
| 12:56.35 | abrotman | thewanderer1: it's wrong |
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| 12:57.16 | abrotman | nameless`: you should *really* use the pre-up |
| 12:57.54 | Grav | oh damn now i dont have sound, fun times:/ |
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| 12:58.08 | abrotman | mounting ntfs broke your sound? |
| 12:58.12 | nameless` | abrotman: yeah, i'll really look into this, it will need some time however to rewrite configuration :] |
| 12:58.20 | thewanderer1 | the firewall script should be usable with pre-up too, yes |
| 12:58.37 | abrotman | you don't need the init script if you use pre-up .... |
| 12:58.37 | thewanderer1 | (put outside of init.d, call from interfaces) |
| 12:59.03 | abrotman | watches thewanderer1 blindly hold on to that init script for dear life .. |
| 12:59.06 | Grav | abrotman: no i didnt mount anything, I just tested sound and it wont work. |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 12:59.23 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 12:59.50 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: it doesn't have to be an init script, it's just a script that I think is handy to be called from wherever you want :P |
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| 13:00.10 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 13:00.24 | nameless` | ok, i just finish my migration to squeeze, i'd like however to verify the new grub configuration, (UUID etc..) how can i check that ? i don't understand very well the new architecture of grub 2 |
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| 13:01.23 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: check if the UUID of the root partition which GRUB uses for booting matches your /boot UUID |
| 13:02.14 | abrotman | does he have a /boot/ partition? |
| 13:02.17 | thewanderer1 | also, if using LVM/RAID/GPT/anything else that fancy, verify that all the necessary modules are loaded |
| 13:02.26 | nameless` | ok |
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| 13:02.39 | thewanderer1 | if there is no /boot partition, then /boot is surely placed wherever / is, so take the UUID of that |
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| 13:04.45 | nameless` | thewanderer1: i got a /boot partition though it's a logical volume |
| 13:05.01 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: ah, that might be fun :P |
| 13:05.20 | thewanderer1 | is it on RAID of some kind? |
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| 13:05.37 | nameless` | thewanderer1: sorri i mix my configuration with another computer :) |
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| 13:05.51 | nameless` | thewanderer1: no it's fine here, it's just a /root swap and /home |
| 13:05.54 | nameless` | but still it's lvm |
| 13:06.04 | thewanderer1 | root partition on LVM? |
| 13:06.12 | nameless` | yup |
| 13:06.22 | thewanderer1 | hm, GRUB should be able to boot from that |
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| 13:06.43 | thewanderer1 | just make sure that it loads LVM in grub.conf |
| 13:06.44 | nameless` | is the configuration used still /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 13:06.46 | thewanderer1 | nope |
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| 13:07.52 | nameless` | thewanderer1: it's ok, insmod lvm in my grub.cfg |
| 13:08.08 | thewanderer1 | nameless`: you might also want to check that the LV name matches |
| 13:09.21 | nameless` | thewanderer1: lv name you mean uuid ? |
| 13:10.02 | thewanderer1 | if GRUB picks the FS using the UUID, yes, otherwise it should search for the boot partition by the logical volume name |
| 13:10.14 | nameless` | ok, then i guess everything looks fine |
| 13:10.28 | pcjimmy | Evening! I'm a rookie to debian. I got a question but how do i post for response? |
| 13:10.37 | nameless` | cross a finger for me and i try a reboot huhu |
| 13:10.43 | nameless` | see ya |
| 13:11.05 | babilen | pcjimmy: Welcome, just ask your question and we will try to help you. :) |
| 13:11.12 | pcjimmy | thx! |
| 13:11.27 | babilen | !tell pcjimmy about smart questions |
| 13:11.28 | pcjimmy | I installed a LSI egaRAID SAS 9261-8i into H67 ITX board and connected to 8 SATA HDD I'm using debian6 and installed "mpt-status" package |
| 13:11.45 | pcjimmy | When I use "mpt-status" View my RAID card and partition, Error says: "IOCTL: No such device found" |
| 13:12.07 | pcjimmy | what I did: |
| 13:12.08 | babilen | has seen that before - But where/when? |
| 13:12.24 | pcjimmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.39 | abrotman | doe sthe drive actually work ? |
| 13:12.55 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: Well, thanks for your aid so far. I guess I'll have to drop it for now. |
| 13:12.57 | thewanderer1 | uh, there shouldn't be a "modprobe" in /etc/modules... |
| 13:13.08 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: you didn't paste the file? |
| 13:13.32 | pcjimmy | thewanderer1 isn't it to load mptctl into kernal when bootup |
| 13:13.40 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: you're likely missing some basic resolver |
| 13:13.47 | pcjimmy | what file |
| 13:13.49 | pcjimmy | ? |
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| 13:13.54 | pcjimmy | sorry! I'm new |
| 13:13.59 | Mangoziroshin | What would that be? |
| 13:14.08 | pcjimmy | basic resolver? what does it mean? |
| 13:14.17 | pcjimmy | I'm using latest debian release |
| 13:14.19 | Mangoziroshin | Hes talking to me |
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| 13:14.25 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: do you hvae dnstools installed ? |
| 13:14.32 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: abrotman is currently prefixing his messages with Mangoziroshin's nickname, which means he's talking to him |
| 13:14.48 | abrotman | ugh .. wrong name |
| 13:14.54 | abrotman | wrong package name :) |
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| 13:15.01 | pcjimmy | sorry! see wrongly |
| 13:15.09 | Bombo | howanyone else got this problem while apt-get update? W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2 |
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| 13:15.19 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: you don't need "modprobe" in /etc/modules, just one module name per line |
| 13:15.20 | Mangoziroshin | apt doesn't find dnstools. |
| 13:15.28 | nameless` | allright :D |
| 13:15.34 | nameless` | thewanderer1: thanks, again |
| 13:15.34 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: moment . |
| 13:15.36 | Mangoziroshin | Also, there is no issue when connected to different networks. |
| 13:15.47 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: meant 'dnsutils' |
| 13:15.52 | babilen | pcjimmy: thewanderer1 noted that you shouldn't have "modprobe mptctl" in your /etc/modules but just "mptctl" -- Are you sure that the module is actually loaded? Does it work if you fix that error? |
| 13:15.52 | Bombo | is debian-multimedia bugged or did i do something wrong? |
| 13:15.55 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: what if you change your name server to 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 13:16.02 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> you mean in /etc/modules just add "mptctl" that's ok? |
| 13:16.08 | abrotman | Bombo: sounds like a busted repo |
| 13:16.12 | babilen | pcjimmy: exactly |
| 13:16.18 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: By just putting it into resolv.conf? |
| 13:16.34 | pcjimmy | <babilen> before adding this line, the module mptctl cannot load |
| 13:16.37 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: change the entire file to "nameserver 8.8.8.8" .. remove all the other lines .. then try again |
| 13:16.57 | babilen | pcjimmy: Fix the error and try again please :) |
| 13:17.08 | pcjimmy | <babilen> the error says mptctl is missing if I don't add "modprobe mptctl" |
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| 13:17.29 | pcjimmy | <babilen>I haven't try "mptctl" yet |
| 13:17.31 | babilen | pcjimmy: You want "mptctl" in /etc/modules not "modprobe mptctl" |
| 13:17.48 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: It works. |
| 13:18.03 | Mangoziroshin | That's a google dns server, if I am not mistaken. |
| 13:18.14 | Mangoziroshin | Though, the IP looks a little privileged. |
| 13:18.20 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: right .. |
| 13:18.22 | pcjimmy | <babilen> restarting wait a second |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: but it all works now ? |
| 13:18.30 | Mangoziroshin | Yes. |
| 13:18.51 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: see if your little router has a firmware update (warning, may erase settings) ... |
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| 13:19.22 | Mangoziroshin | It's a friend's network, and as long as things work for his hardware without issues, I guess it should be left as it is. |
| 13:19.24 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: also, try removing the 'domain' and 'search' fields from your resolv.conf next time you reboot |
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| 13:19.53 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: okay .. well, it works for now .. |
| 13:19.55 | Mangoziroshin | Isn't the resolv.conf autowritten? Or was that /etc/hosts? |
| 13:20.03 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | but it's written by what the router gives your system in the dhcp request |
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| 13:20.25 | abrotman | you can change that behaviour if you want |
| 13:20.37 | pcjimmy | <babilen><thewanderer1> restarted and tried "mpt-status" but still got the error "ioctl: No such device" and "mptctl" successfully loaded |
| 13:20.40 | abrotman | or you can just edit the file when you have issues |
| 13:20.42 | Mangoziroshin | Can I tell network manager to use a specific dns server for a certain wlan without changing away from auto dhcp? |
| 13:21.00 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: that i don't know .. i only use n-m because it makes gnome less cranky |
| 13:21.07 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: how can you tell that mptctl successfully loaded? |
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| 13:21.29 | Mangoziroshin | I find it highly useful for mobile devices. Do you have something better in that regard? |
| 13:21.34 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>it shows before login |
| 13:21.38 | Bushmills | Mangoziroshin: i suspect that you can't, but you could look at dnsmasq which allows you to do that |
| 13:21.38 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: it would seem you can .. alternate click, edit connections |
| 13:22.09 | Mangoziroshin | I did, it seemed like it would only work when I change to "manual" - which would mean manual IP and everything else. |
| 13:22.15 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: check if executing the command `lsmod | grep mptctl` shows a line as result |
| 13:22.18 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: in gnome or kde? |
| 13:22.29 | Mangoziroshin | gnome |
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| 13:22.45 | Mangoziroshin | I have no kde, that was just to prove that the connection worked for apt |
| 13:22.45 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: in my squeeze install, i can edit, then choose IPv4, then there is a drop down, and you can choose DHCP (Address Only) |
| 13:23.00 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> Result: lsmod | grep mptctl mptctl 20998 0 mptbase 48398 2 mptctl,mptscsih scsi_mod 126565 5 mptctl,mptscsih,usb_storage,sd_mod,megaraid_sas |
| 13:23.00 | Mangoziroshin | I see, Ill have a shot at that |
| 13:23.37 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: this looks right. does `dmesg | tail` give any clues as to what's wrong? |
| 13:23.48 | biz | Mangoziroshin: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using.html - "Example: Changing DNS server settings on Ubuntu" is exactly what you're looking for. |
| 13:23.53 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: (don't paste that here please... use paste.debian.net in case you want to paste it) |
| 13:24.02 | abrotman | biz: i gave him an answer .. |
| 13:24.27 | abrotman | that same answer ... |
| 13:24.58 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>pasted on .please check |
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| 13:25.40 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> it seems only USB drive recognised. Can I ask what ioctl do for? |
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| 13:26.21 | Bombo | did they remove kernel 2.6.39 from the debian servers? cant find it on ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 13:26.28 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: the IOCTL-related error message means that the operating system cannot access the hardware for some reason... wrong drivers, something is not loaded maybe, or the hardware doesn't work |
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| 13:27.35 | abrotman | Bombo: because it's not in wheezy or sid anymore |
| 13:27.46 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> since the RAID card is LSi, I have installed megacli to check the RAID status and it comes back with result that it can recognise my RAID controller |
| 13:27.51 | Mangoziroshin | NIce. |
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| 13:28.18 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> is it meaning that Debian recognise my RAID card? |
| 13:28.19 | Mangoziroshin | abrotman: Thanks. It works, I also just reconnected and it wrote a resolv.conf with the dns server I specified. |
| 13:28.38 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: if a tool says that your card is recognized, it most probably is |
| 13:29.05 | Bombo | abrotman: and thats bbecause of 3.0 i suppose? |
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| 13:30.29 | pcjimmy | I post dmesg result on . please check |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | Bombo: right |
| 13:30.52 | abrotman | Mangoziroshin: congrats! |
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| 13:31.40 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: what is the URL? |
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| 13:32.37 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>pasted |
| 13:32.51 | babilen | pcjimmy: Could you also paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:33.08 | babilen | pcjimmy: Please give us the URL of your paste :) |
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| 13:33.10 | pcjimmy | <babilen>wait a sec |
| 13:33.13 | babilen | sure |
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| 13:34.00 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: whatever tool you're using to produce the listing seems to be working |
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| 13:34.01 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1><babilen>pasted |
| 13:34.46 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>yeah so its bothing me for days. i cannot see a clue..... |
| 13:35.11 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: what tool was used to display the info from before? |
| 13:35.40 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>megacli tools which developed from LSI |
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| 13:36.26 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: did the tools come with a proprietary kernel module perhaps? |
| 13:36.45 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> you can download from repository http://hwraid.le-vert.net/debian |
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| 13:37.38 | pcjimmy | <babilen>any findings? |
| 13:37.43 | thewanderer1 | so maybe mpt-status doesn't support your card |
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| 13:38.23 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>if that's the case, then how can I build filesystem to the RAID partition and mount on debian? |
| 13:38.44 | babilen | FWIW, that particular device should be supported by "megaraid_sas" since .27 -- pcjimmy, what is the output of "modprobe -r megaraid_sas ; modprobe megaraid_sas ; dmesg | tail -n 20" ? -- Where did you find the information on the mknod command? |
| 13:38.53 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>any other tools or ways to do it? don't want to waste such a good card |
| 13:39.17 | babilen | recommends software raid |
| 13:39.58 | pcjimmy | <babilen>mknod command from web which suggest making a device bridge for this RAID tools |
| 13:40.10 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: the fact that mpt-status doesn't support the card doesn't make it useless for storing data on it, it simply means that this tool is not capable of reading the device's information |
| 13:40.10 | babilen | pcjimmy: Which web? |
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| 13:40.52 | pcjimmy | babilen> pasted . pls check |
| 13:41.32 | babilen | pcjimmy: Could you please give us the URLs of your pastes? |
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| 13:41.49 | pcjimmy | <babilen> can't remember. recently searched many sites for debian tutorials and troubleshooting |
| 13:42.27 | thewanderer1 | ok well, if the card is detected, something should show up in /proc/partitions I think |
| 13:42.34 | pcjimmy | <babilen> Posting 133421 from pcjimmy posted at 2011-10-01 15:40:33 expires: 2011-10-04 15:40:33 URL: http://paste.debian.net/133421 |
| 13:43.04 | babilen | pcjimmy: What does "ls -la /dev/mptctl" give you? |
| 13:43.24 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>access denied. how do I access it? I use root account already |
| 13:43.50 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: write out its contents using `cat /proc/partitions` |
| 13:44.09 | pcjimmy | <babilen> crw------- 1 root root 10, 220 2011-10-01 15:21 /dev/mptctl <===this is what I use mknod command to build up |
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| 13:44.59 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>I don't think the RAID partition exists. just wait...I paste it on the board |
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| 13:46.20 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>pasted. As you see , I have a RAID6 partition which is over 5TB |
| 13:46.51 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>but none represent such a large volume in cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:47.11 | boudiccas | pcjimmy; i see nothing because you havent told us what the url of your paste is |
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| 13:47.34 | valdyn | pcjimmy: its not a partition |
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| 13:47.43 | pcjimmy | http://paste.debian.net/133422 |
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| 13:48.01 | boudiccas | pcjimmy; thank you! |
| 13:48.29 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: are you sure that it's not visible? 5856442368 looks like over 5TB, actually |
| 13:48.39 | thewanderer1 | (that's /dev/sda) |
| 13:48.49 | pcjimmy | <boudiccas>you're welcome! I hope someone here could help as I 'm a Rookie to debian. know nothing |
| 13:49.25 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: sda has about 5.8TB, sounds familiar? |
| 13:49.25 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>it's only 5GB around as I mount it as / |
| 13:49.31 | thewanderer1 | oh |
| 13:49.37 | boudiccas | pcjimmy; you tell us th eurls and we'll have a look and try to help you |
| 13:49.41 | thewanderer1 | must have screwed the numbers O.o |
| 13:49.46 | pcjimmy | 5GB==>58GB |
| 13:49.54 | thewanderer1 | ok... |
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| 13:50.33 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>wait... I 'm calculating |
| 13:50.39 | helly42 | hello world |
| 13:50.55 | babilen | helly42: Hello and welcome to #debian -- How can we help you? |
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| 13:51.27 | valdyn | pcjimmy: sda is 5TB, not GB |
| 13:51.51 | dvs | presses ^C on helly42 |
| 13:52.07 | SeySayux | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian in Qemu PPC, but it freezes at "return from prom_init". Any idea what could be going wrong? Is there a list of recommended settings for Qemu? |
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| 13:52.36 | pcjimmy | valdyn> <thewanderer1>yeah i just calulated. my mistakes. However "df -h " got no result on sda |
| 13:52.41 | dvs | it worked! |
| 13:52.42 | babilen | pcjimmy: I assume you followed http://linuxhostingsupport.net/blog/tag/mknod-devmptctl -- Did you get the "open /dev/mptctl: No such device" *before* you created /dev/mptctl special file? What happens if you remove that and try again? |
| 13:52.48 | valdyn | pcjimmy: no surprise there |
| 13:53.19 | pcjimmy | <babilen> exactly! you're good |
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| 13:54.02 | pcjimmy | <babilen>I got "mptctl is missing ....." BUT NOT open /dev/mptctl: No such device" |
| 13:54.02 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: df only shows the information about mounted filesystems. it knows nothing about partitions which are not mounted. |
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| 13:56.14 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> ok. So what to do next? if sda is the drive i need, that means I can start building file system now? |
| 13:56.29 | Bombo | i found kernel 2.6.39 on backports, but got a "Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.39.orig.tar.gz Hash Sum mismatch" |
| 13:56.31 | jicko3 | how do I find out my printer's dev name? |
| 13:56.40 | Bombo | what does that mean |
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| 13:56.50 | valdyn | jicko3: you dont really |
| 13:56.56 | valdyn | jicko3: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:57.33 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: most likely, yes |
| 13:57.43 | wols | jicko3: usb or parport? |
| 13:57.47 | jicko3 | valdyn: I need to find out my printer's device name in order to upgrade its firmware (manual says just "cp <path to update file> </dev/<printer>>) |
| 13:57.55 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: do you really need a filesystem spanning the whole device? |
| 13:57.56 | jicko3 | wols: USB |
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| 13:58.14 | wols | jicko3: unplug it, plug it back in and dmesg should tell you |
| 13:58.28 | jicko3 | wols: isn't there a more elegant way? :) |
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| 13:59.07 | valdyn | jicko3: im sure you can dig this out from /sys too, but replugging sounds alot easier |
| 13:59.46 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> Before building up fs, can i ask about your opinion ? what file system you would suggest? I need to have large size file access, streaming, Web server and FTP server and SQL testing mainly, so is btrfs suitable for best performance adn stability? |
| 14:00.08 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>what does that mean? |
| 14:00.11 | boudiccas | ext4 |
| 14:00.12 | valdyn | pcjimmy: it was a bad idea to have a raid6 for your abovementioned purposes |
| 14:00.28 | valdyn | pcjimmy: unless that system isnt really used heavily |
| 14:00.32 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>if no file system , how can it be stored data? |
| 14:00.49 | pcjimmy | <valdyn>why? |
| 14:00.53 | jicko3 | I replugged and dmesg'd but don't get any /dev/ path |
| 14:01.08 | valdyn | pcjimmy: because its extremely slow for anything but single file streaming |
| 14:01.09 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: RAID6 is usually pretty slow... at my home, I tested RAID6 and RAID1 and RAID1 is faster |
| 14:01.31 | babilen | pcjimmy: Did you the "open /dev/mptctl: No such device" *before* you created /dev/mptctl special file? What happens if you remove that and try again? |
| 14:01.35 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: anyway, I recommend that you set up LVM on the disk first, and then make LVs and filesystems on the LVs |
| 14:02.29 | babilen | +1 |
| 14:02.30 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> since I need maximum space for storage but want data to be secured maximum so RAID seems my best choice for me. Do you have any other suggestion? |
| 14:02.47 | jicko3 | valdyn, wols: can it be that the USB printer does not have any associated file in /dev/ ? |
| 14:02.47 | pcjimmy | <valdyn>since I need maximum space for storage but want data to be secured maximum so RAID seems my best choice for me. Do you have any other suggestion? |
| 14:02.56 | valdyn | jicko3: no |
| 14:03.19 | valdyn | jicko3: certainly not if youre printing on it |
| 14:03.45 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> so you mean don't use megacli to create raid but let linux do building og LVM first? |
| 14:03.52 | valdyn | jicko3: i would have done a quick "ls /dev/USB<tab><tab>" |
| 14:04.15 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: your RAID is already fine, LVM is for dividing the space into multiple segments. depending on the use, you might want it or not. |
| 14:04.30 | jicko3 | valdyn: no file matches /dev/USB* |
| 14:04.31 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: is this for multiple websites or a single big setup? |
| 14:04.47 | valdyn | jicko3: but you can print? |
| 14:04.54 | jicko3 | valdyn: yes |
| 14:05.16 | valdyn | jicko3: ok, let me check what usb printers have there in /dev |
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| 14:05.41 | valdyn | jicko3: probably just /dev/lp0 |
| 14:05.46 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> I need to build a web with sql processing background. What do you mean multiple websites or a single big setup?....... |
| 14:05.59 | jicko3 | valdyn: it's an HP LaserJet P3005dn and I am running it with hpcups 3.11.5 |
| 14:06.15 | jicko3 | valdyn: no file matches /dev/lp* |
| 14:06.18 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: do you have multiple customers on the filesystem that you need to separate in some way, eg. give them each some amount of space? |
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| 14:07.03 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> you mean quota? Of course I need but only for a few customers |
| 14:07.58 | thewanderer1 | hm, you can go for a filesystem spanning the whole device then I think |
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| 14:08.08 | thewanderer1 | use ext4, btrfs is not quite proven in production uses |
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| 14:08.36 | valdyn | jicko3: hah, my printer is off, i need to switch it on.. |
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| 14:09.01 | alex-- | Is it good to create a new VPS for my gameserver? |
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| 14:09.06 | alex-- | Or is this too resource intensive? |
| 14:09.11 | jicko3 | valdyn: powering on a machine may improve its functionality |
| 14:09.21 | thewanderer1 | alex--: you tell us |
| 14:09.30 | valdyn | jicko3: this one is /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 14:09.33 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> how to build ext4? for ext3 i can use mkfs.ext3 command, for btrfs I can use btrfs-vol -a command |
| 14:09.44 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: mkfs.ext4 I guess? |
| 14:09.45 | windparadise | hello, I have a VPS account, is it possible to resell web hosting into it? |
| 14:09.46 | alex-- | thewanderer1: what do you mean with you tell us? |
| 14:09.51 | jicko3 | valdyn: no file matches /dev/us* |
| 14:09.52 | alex-- | windparadise: yes |
| 14:10.06 | alex-- | windparadise: look for a good webhosting control panel |
| 14:10.16 | thewanderer1 | alex--: how are we supposed to know that from the very little information that you have provided? |
| 14:10.22 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1>difference between mkfs.ext4 nad mkfs.ext4dev? |
| 14:10.29 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: use mkfs.ext4 |
| 14:10.46 | thewanderer1 | ext4dev is an older version I think... from when ext4 was in "development" stage |
| 14:11.00 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> thanks! |
| 14:11.04 | alex-- | thewanderer1: I run a Debian system, with my gameservers on it (MTA and Minecraft). My friend recommended me to make a VPS for the Minecraft server and the MTA server, instead of putting it on the Debian system. |
| 14:11.06 | windparadise | alex--: thanks so in that case, they will be sharing the same IP address but different web folders right |
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| 14:11.22 | alex-- | windparadise: read about apache virtualhosts |
| 14:11.40 | windparadise | ok, |
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| 14:11.59 | windparadise | what eb hosing conotrol panel is good for debian servers? |
| 14:12.01 | valdyn | jicko3: whats in your /sys/class/usb/ ? |
| 14:12.03 | eternit13 | why do i cant start my script, it says 42: Syntax error: "(" unexpected. but i know that this script is correct and it worked on gentoo os |
| 14:12.17 | thewanderer1 | alex--: containing the server processes within containers or so-called VPS is a good practice to separate their resources, yes. check out OpenVZ or LXC. |
| 14:12.18 | valdyn | eternit13: run it using bash |
| 14:12.31 | jicko3 | valdyn: no file matches /sys/class/u* |
| 14:12.34 | eternit13 | valdyn: thanks |
| 14:12.42 | alex-- | thewanderer1: why would I need to seperate their resources? |
| 14:12.46 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> any packages in GUI for building file system btw? I can use command but my friend needs GUI tools. Anyway, thanks! |
| 14:12.57 | valdyn | jicko3: i think youre doing something wrong with listing files |
| 14:12.58 | thewanderer1 | alex--: because you don't want one game to interfere with the other? |
| 14:13.07 | valdyn | jicko3: whats in /sys/class/ ? |
| 14:13.36 | thewanderer1 | pcjimmy: I don't think so, no... making a filesystem is a task that only people experienced enough to use CLI should attempt to do anyway :P |
| 14:13.38 | alex-- | thewanderer1: do they? |
| 14:13.39 | jicko3 | valdyn: as root, typing "ls /sys/class/u<tab><tab><tab>" |
| 14:13.54 | alex-- | thewanderer1: Wouldn't this costs more resources? |
| 14:14.11 | thewanderer1 | alex--: the whole point of containers is flexible separation |
| 14:14.14 | alex-- | I want 1 central database to view the stats on my forum (which is on my debian server) |
| 14:14.20 | thewanderer1 | what do you mean "cost"? |
| 14:14.21 | pcjimmy | <thewanderer1> ok. I will tell him to give up |
| 14:14.44 | valdyn | jicko3: lets try this: run "udevadm monitor" as root and show us whats printed when you plug out and in your printer |
| 14:14.57 | eternit13 | valdyn: but is it possible to make it run from bash automatically? |
| 14:15.03 | abrotman | alex--: why did your friend recommend that? |
| 14:15.05 | valdyn | !shebang |
| 14:15.06 | dpkg | i heard shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 14:15.09 | jicko3 | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/133431/ |
| 14:15.15 | alex-- | abrotman: i dont know |
| 14:15.22 | valdyn | eternit13: ^^^ what dpkg said |
| 14:15.33 | abrotman | alex--: unless he can justify it .. why follow up with it? |
| 14:15.41 | alex-- | lol, true |
| 14:15.51 | alex-- | afk |
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| 14:16.19 | Simy | Does anybody know where ntfsrecovery went? |
| 14:16.30 | jicko3 | valdyn: it printed stuff, including "remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2" |
| 14:16.32 | thewanderer1 | running 2 game servers on 1 machine without resource separation... that's going to be fun :D |
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| 14:16.39 | Simy | er ntfsundelete rather it used to be in ntfsprogs, but i cant find it and i need it badly :( |
| 14:16.47 | valdyn | jicko3: sure, paste the whole stuff on a paste site |
| 14:17.33 | alex-- | thewanderer1: you dont recommend it? |
| 14:18.15 | thewanderer1 | alex--: I would use cgroups at least to ensure that resources are shared fairly |
| 14:18.18 | jicko3 | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/133432/ |
| 14:18.29 | alex-- | The one gamserver uses 200 mb ram max |
| 14:18.34 | alex-- | And the other ehm, minecraft, many ram |
| 14:18.38 | jicko3 | valdyn: I guess it's one of those devices |
| 14:18.42 | alex-- | Arround 20 GB I think |
| 14:18.44 | thewanderer1 | alex--: and that one gameserver doesn't consume enough RAM to kill the first one |
| 14:18.58 | alex-- | what do you mean? |
| 14:18.59 | nutterpc | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:19.27 | thewanderer1 | alex--: assume your machine has 24GB of RAM, you have server1 and server2, server2 depletes all available memory => server1 dies |
| 14:19.29 | nutterpc | *singing voice* happy birthday to me |
| 14:19.45 | jicko3 | please never mention minecraft! especially on this channel! |
| 14:19.46 | nutterpc | is an old(er) fart now |
| 14:20.06 | wols | jicko3: unplug it, plug it back in and dmesg should tell you |
| 14:20.08 | windparadise | alex--: as reading, i want to find out if it's possible for one IP address to share different virtual hosts? served to different domain names? |
| 14:20.12 | alex-- | thewanderer1: it has 24 gb ram |
| 14:20.43 | alex-- | It's possible |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | alex--: shouldn't you be talking to your friend? |
| 14:21.07 | jicko3 | wols: no, dmesg doesn't. Already tried |
| 14:21.16 | valdyn | jicko3: theres no device being created as far as i can see |
| 14:21.32 | alex-- | abrotman: not online |
| 14:21.41 | abrotman | so wait and talk to him .. |
| 14:21.42 | valdyn | jicko3: everything your system knows about it is in /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2 |
| 14:21.48 | windparadise | alex--: what do you think? |
| 14:22.03 | valdyn | jicko3: im surprised you can print to it though |
| 14:22.41 | jicko3 | valdyn: tried once more; printing works flawlessly |
| 14:22.45 | alex-- | I think I will do Debian + Webserver + MTA Server on 1 system |
| 14:22.51 | alex-- | And on the VPS the minecraft server. |
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| 14:23.16 | alex-- | What do you recommend for the database, on the Debian system or the VPS? |
| 14:23.23 | abrotman | wtf do you need a VPS at all? |
| 14:23.26 | alex-- | Because minecraft uses a database, but I also want stats |
| 14:23.35 | alex-- | It's better to have it because minecraft can consume very much memory |
| 14:23.39 | jicko3 | valdyn: okay, so it looks like there is no dev file associated to the printer... any idea how to upgrade its firmware? |
| 14:23.40 | alex-- | When it haves a bug or something |
| 14:23.47 | alex-- | afk |
| 14:23.49 | abrotman | it's still your system memory .. wtf does that matter? |
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| 14:24.05 | valdyn | jicko3: no... you cant print if theres no device |
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| 14:24.25 | jicko3 | valdyn: as I told you, my system magically can :) |
| 14:24.36 | valdyn | jicko3: sure, so there is a device |
| 14:24.44 | valdyn | jicko3: its just not created by udev |
| 14:25.11 | valdyn | jicko3: "ls -l /dev" and paste that |
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| 14:27.34 | jicko3 | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/133437/ |
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| 14:29.28 | becker_11 | I'm running a very minimal install of debian on my eee pc and it's blanking the monitor after a few minutes is there a config file I can edit to stop it from blanking ?? |
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| 14:30.00 | valdyn | jicko3: "cat /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2/dev", output? |
| 14:30.28 | sammi` | blanking? |
| 14:30.51 | becker_11 | sammi`, like the screen saver options you can choose for it too go to a blank screen |
| 14:31.24 | jicko3 | valdyn: 00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2/dev |
| 14:31.24 | jicko3 | 189:141 |
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| 14:31.51 | valdyn | jicko3: now find that number in /dev/char/ |
| 14:31.52 | sammi` | and after blanking? |
| 14:32.00 | valdyn | jicko3: now find that number in "ls -l /dev/char/" |
| 14:32.15 | valdyn | jicko3: i find find it in the ls -l /dev btw |
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| 14:33.35 | valdyn | jicko3: i *cannot* find it in the ls -l /dev btw |
| 14:33.50 | jicko3 | valdyn: ls -l /dev/char/ | grep 189\:141 |
| 14:33.50 | jicko3 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 1 16:17 189:141 -> ../bus/usb/002/014 |
| 14:34.13 | becker_11 | sammi`, if I touch the touchpad it comes back to life |
| 14:35.19 | jicko3 | so is it the file /dev//bus/usb/002/014 I guess, right? |
| 14:35.42 | thewanderer1 | becker_11: so... change the screensaver options? :P |
| 14:35.54 | valdyn | jicko3: thats your printer, but i havent seen a printer with no matching serial or parallel port yet, but then again i cant see the parallel or serial port matching your printer, so maybe this is it |
| 14:36.01 | sammi` | :O ,I run debian on a eeepc 2,but...with LXDE |
| 14:36.05 | jicko3 | valdyn: what do these two slashes between "dev" and "bus" mean? |
| 14:36.06 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, minimal install I haven't installed a screensaver |
| 14:36.18 | becker_11 | sammi`, I'm using openbox |
| 14:36.23 | thewanderer1 | becker_11: you want to disable the blanking? |
| 14:36.29 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, please |
| 14:36.35 | valdyn | jicko3: nothing, same as a single slash |
| 14:36.38 | thewanderer1 | becker_11: try using `xset -dpms` |
| 14:36.52 | thewanderer1 | becker_11: see the manpage for xset too, it has a few more options which might be responsible for that |
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| 14:37.55 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, thanks will look at it now |
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| 14:43.02 | valdyn | jicko3: im reading up on this: your hp printer talks directly to usb, not via a virtual parallel or serial port, so this seems alright as we found it |
| 14:43.19 | valdyn | jicko3: err, your hp printer *driver* talks directly to usb |
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| 14:47.04 | systemclient | how does a versioned debian/copyright source line look like for github? |
| 14:47.19 | jicko3 | valdyn: so how do I upgrade its firmware then? HP upgrade doc says "cp <firmware_file> /dev/<printer>" |
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| 14:57.12 | jicko3 | valdyn: gotta go home now, thanks for your intense support! |
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| 15:06.05 | Mmike | when I leave my console (no X running) idle for some time, it is blanked, and I need to touch ctrl or something to unblank it |
| 15:06.08 | Mmike | how do I disable that? |
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| 15:10.40 | wols | Mmike: http://www.google.com/search?q=disable+console+blanking |
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| 15:16.32 | Mmike | wols, heh :) thnx |
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| 15:21.35 | mah454 | Hello .... |
| 15:21.45 | mah454 | How can test network without ICMP ? |
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| 15:38.54 | abaddon | mah454 TCP, UDP, take your pick.. google tcp ping for eg. |
| 15:39.25 | abaddon | traceroute is usually udp |
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| 15:42.05 | wols | mah454: test in what way? |
| 15:42.50 | mah454 | wols, No |
| 15:43.33 | wols | mah454: please read my question again. then think of a suitable answer. Hint: it is not a question that can be answered simply with "yes" or "no" |
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| 15:44.17 | Starman83 | hey all |
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| 15:44.22 | Starman83 | I |
| 15:44.26 | Starman83 | ve got a small question |
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| 15:44.41 | Starman83 | CAn anybody recommend an iptables-based Firewall web-UI? |
| 15:44.55 | wols | Starman83: if it's "how do I use less lines and be a better person", the answer is "hit the enterkey less" |
| 15:44.59 | mah454 | wols, please wait ... |
| 15:45.16 | wols | I dunno about web based but there is firestarter which seems to be popular |
| 15:45.16 | Starman83 | wols: Haha thats funny |
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| 15:46.33 | Starman83 | I'll give that one a try, although I'd prefer web-based approach |
| 15:46.34 | Bushmills | Starman83: luci, coming with openwrt |
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| 15:47.35 | Bushmills | oh. that was "recommend", not "know".. no. i don't recommend web based UIs |
| 15:48.15 | wols | Starman83: why do you actaully need to build a firewall? note: linux is not windows. you rarely need one |
| 15:48.38 | Starman83 | Because I use LInux for my router |
| 15:48.51 | eterni13 | where on debian is grub's menu.lst located? |
| 15:48.54 | Starman83 | And Windows on my other machines |
| 15:49.09 | wols | too bad there is no ipmasq anymore in squeeze. lenny still has it afaik. and it was nice: short and sweet and easy to use |
| 15:49.29 | wols | eterni13: there is no menu.lst anymore since grub2. grub.cfg is still in /boot/grub/ however |
| 15:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | eterni13: Which release? |
| 15:49.50 | wols | eterni13: but you cannot edit grub.cfg directly |
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| 15:50.21 | Starman83 | Grub2 feels a bit overdeveloped :) |
| 15:50.21 | rhin0 | trying to install debian (move to it) grub-pc ailed to install into /target/. ..... is a standard dell laptop |
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| 15:50.34 | Starman83 | I was always happy with menu.lst |
| 15:50.38 | eterni13 | why then it says at the top: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig |
| 15:50.40 | rhin0 | i like the look of debian -- ubuntu has been incompatible with my laptop |
| 15:50.43 | Starman83 | But I guess, open-source software has to change all day |
| 15:50.43 | rhin0 | i |
| 15:50.44 | abrotman | Starman83: there are so many things it has to support now ... |
| 15:50.50 | rhin0 | i'm installing from the live dvd |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | Starman83: long ago .. lilo was enough .. |
| 15:51.06 | rhin0 | maybe something else? -- it wouldn't intall onto usb key - segmentation fault |
| 15:51.11 | rhin0 | please help |
| 15:51.15 | wols | rhin0: you shouldn't use a live cd to install debian |
| 15:51.16 | Starman83 | Yeah, I still remember lilo |
| 15:51.23 | rhin0 | ok wols -- what to install using |
| 15:51.28 | wols | !tell rhin0 about ig |
| 15:51.34 | Starman83 | Anyway, I don't want to start a flamewar, so.. |
| 15:51.41 | Starman83 | Hooray Grub2 :) |
| 15:51.56 | rhin0 | thanks wols |
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| 15:51.59 | sammi` | may simply mean debian becomes more complicated |
| 15:52.06 | wols | Starman83: all bootloaders suck (e.g. look at the newest clusterfuck that is uefi for example) |
| 15:52.41 | Starman83 | UEFI, well. I don't know about that |
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| 15:52.47 | Starman83 | BIOS seems fine for now |
| 15:53.12 | Bushmills | loadlin from an msdos floppy may be an alternative |
| 15:53.13 | Starman83 | I think my board is UEFI-capable, but I couldn't care less |
| 15:53.22 | wols | Starman83: it's not. one device: harddisks > 2.2TB |
| 15:53.28 | Starman83 | Yeah I know |
| 15:53.43 | Starman83 | So I buy a bunch of 2 gig discs, if I needed this much space :) |
| 15:53.54 | Starman83 | who cares |
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| 15:54.39 | Starman83 | I'm not what you would call an "early adopter". I bet UEFI will ultimately be a necessary evil ;) |
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| 15:54.50 | rhin0 | trying "netinst" |
| 15:54.57 | Starman83 | At some point in the future that is |
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| 15:55.27 | rhin0 | hopefully this gets graphics card driver because running hot |
| 15:55.39 | wols | rhin0: what videocard(s) do you have? |
| 15:55.40 | rhin0 | just like ubuntu "detect hardware drivers |
| 15:56.02 | rhin0 | its a dell m5010 ati radeon I think -- always runs hot without prop. dr4ivers |
| 15:56.14 | wols | !tell rhin0 about fglrx |
| 15:56.19 | Starman83 | By the way, how's that rolling debian distro coming along? |
| 15:56.19 | rhin0 | i've had a month of hell with ubuntu failing |
| 15:56.26 | rhin0 | depressed |
| 15:56.45 | wols | rhin0: I suggest you check what videocard you have with "lspci -nn" |
| 15:56.53 | rhin0 | when it boots |
| 15:58.10 | rhin0 | so the netinst will connect then download etc gr8 |
| 15:58.19 | rhin0 | hopefully it recognises the wireless |
| 15:58.29 | rhin0 | otherwise np will install wireless usb dongle |
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| 15:58.58 | rhin0 | was getting crackling noise ans smoke from the vents - what hte hell was that about |
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| 16:04.31 | wols | rhin0: you don't need any network connection with the netinst iso. however, if your only network connection is via wlan, I strongly suggest you use CD1 to install. you might also need (highly probably with dell hardware) non-free firmware files or even drivers before you can use wlan to connect to the internet |
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| 16:09.13 | fossala_ | How would I find a list of avaliable groups? |
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| 16:10.14 | wols | fossala_: /etc/group |
| 16:10.20 | fossala_ | thanks |
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| 16:11.14 | fossala_ | If I cannot access a device (/dev/ttyUSB) what group would I need to be in? tty? |
| 16:11.39 | wols | fossala_: ls -l /dev/ttyUSB* will tell you |
| 16:11.47 | fossala_ | ok Thanks |
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| 16:12.58 | mah454 | wols, Please view this : http://pastebin.com/Y7ppUR3s |
| 16:13.20 | mah454 | wols, excuse me ! My English language not good ! |
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| 16:16.00 | wols | mah454: the client cannot know why a connection was blocked. it could be a firewall, it could be the great satan, it could be the green satan or it could be simply a broken line due to the caterpillar in the garden which cut the telephone line. all the client can know is: "I cannot connect" |
| 16:16.23 | wols | if it's a firewall outside of your control which blocks, you could maybe use a proxy |
| 16:17.05 | mah454 | wols, Ok ... |
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| 16:39.19 | Datz | Hello, I'm trying to use debian to play video's over my network wirelessly, but I only get a frame change every couple a seconds. The wireless is more than fast enough to keep up (takes about 6 min to transfer the hour long .avi across the network, so I don't know what the problem would be. Any ideas? |
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| 16:42.51 | mah454 | when restarting vsftpd receive this message : sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory |
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| 16:44.48 | FIReun | got an odd apt problem, trying to install Octave and I'm getting an |
| 16:45.02 | FIReun | error related to not being able to locate a file for the pidgin package |
| 16:45.11 | FIReun | makes no sense to me |
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| 16:47.38 | FIReun | ok, nevermind, apt installed an upgrade for pidgin and it stopped bailing on other installs |
| 16:48.10 | FIReun | still, very strange |
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| 16:54.43 | Gurpartap | How to know this latest squeeze install is with SysV style init scripts or Upstart? |
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| 16:56.14 | Gurpartap | http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Ubuntu+and+Debian+packages says there are different sources for SysV style init scripts and Upstart based ones. |
| 16:56.18 | Gurpartap | How to know which type this latest debian squeeze install is? |
| 16:56.23 | wols | Gurpartap: dpkg -l |grep upstart ? you have to install upstart manually for it to be there |
| 16:56.46 | wols | debian never uses upstart by default |
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| 17:00.37 | Gurpartap | wols: that means it's supposed to have SysV style init scripts? |
| 17:00.39 | Gurpartap | by default |
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| 17:06.38 | rubidious | Hello, is anyone familiar with this ia32-libs bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638543 ? I'm curious if it's safe to change the symlink (on amd64) /usr/lib32/libjpeg.so from libjpeg.so -> libjpeg.so.62.0.0 to libjpeg.so.8.0.2 |
| 17:07.56 | QuikNik | hey guys, is it possible in debian to completely mirror the partition/boot structure of 1 USB disk to another? I have one set up but I can't boot off it so i'm thinking that maybe there is something wrong with the drive itself so I want to try another |
| 17:07.58 | QuikNik | any thoughts? |
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| 17:09.51 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 17:09.59 | kristian-aalborg | thewanderer1, hi |
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| 17:10.39 | kristian-aalborg | I'm trying to put Debian on a 2tb sata disk, which already had one partition... so I asked the installer to make a new one |
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| 17:11.16 | sje46 | Hey, even though I didn't install or update anything, no networks appear in my nm-applet menu. It just has a grayed out "disconnected", so I can only connect via ethernet. Any idea what happened or what I can do about it? |
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| 17:11.30 | wols | QuikNik: yes |
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| 17:11.52 | sammi` | what is nm-applet |
| 17:11.53 | wols | sje46: what is in your interfaces file |
| 17:12.05 | wols | sje46: user interface of network manager |
| 17:12.10 | wols | sammi`: ^^ |
| 17:12.20 | sammi` | o.o |
| 17:12.26 | ac_slater | This is more of a programming question, but does anyone know how to update one line in stdout? ie - I dont want output to scroll, just update a single line. I was thinking I might have to use `ncurses` |
| 17:12.28 | QuikNik | wols: Would I use dd for that? |
| 17:12.37 | ac_slater | (in C) |
| 17:12.45 | wols | ac_slater: flush maybe? |
| 17:12.56 | ac_slater | wols: ah good idea |
| 17:13.10 | wols | QuikNik: you can, yes. but then the target disk needs to be the same size as the source. at at least bigger than the source |
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| 17:13.38 | wols | QuikNik: you can also use something like clonezilla. what is the error you get when you try to boot from your usb disk? |
| 17:13.46 | sje46 | wols: http://pastebin.com/sYKjFCda |
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| 17:14.16 | QuikNik | wols: it seems to not even try to boot.. just goes to a black screen |
| 17:14.37 | QuikNik | I have used clonezilla before to make disk image backups.. I suppose I could do the same thing |
| 17:14.58 | wols | sje46: and you cannot connect via wlan? if yes, what is the output of ifconfig -a;iwlist scan wlan0 |
| 17:15.18 | wols | QuikNik: no grub, nada? |
| 17:15.28 | sje46 | wols: wlan is ethernet cord, right? I'm conneted via ethernet. I can't conent via wifi |
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| 17:15.50 | wols | sje46: wlan = wireless lan. eth0 = ethernet: long cables |
| 17:16.23 | QuikNik | wols: yeah, nada. I must have done something wrong and it doesn't see the boot sector |
| 17:17.02 | wols | if it doesn't see the bootsector, then the BIOS would error |
| 17:17.31 | QuikNik | true, okay well i'm going to try and use clonezilla and put it to this other usb disk |
| 17:17.35 | QuikNik | thanks for your help wols |
| 17:17.59 | rubidious | I'm going to try this |
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| 17:18.06 | rubidious | hopefully I don't bork my entire system |
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| 17:19.35 | gmarselis_ | hey guys, what is that debian utility that recompiles a kernel from scratch for you, makes a debian package and then you can install the freshly build kernel? |
| 17:20.02 | sje46 | wols: http://pastebin.com/TyrBmG4C |
| 17:20.18 | gmarselis_ | i have 4 devices which are not covered by the current freeware-nonfree package , but they are covered in the main branch of the kernel |
| 17:20.29 | gmarselis_ | so, i think will just recompile a new kernel. |
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| 17:28.16 | sje46 | wols: restarting my computer or network-manager doesn't help either |
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| 17:29.33 | wols | sje46: sorry, it's iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 17:31.12 | sje46 | wols: "wlan0 No scan results |
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| 17:32.07 | eterni13 | somebody knows how to fix strange these symbols on ssh? http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/773/rcconf.png |
| 17:32.48 | project2501b | eterni13: do you have a copy of encyclopedia debianica? |
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| 17:33.08 | project2501b | you need the blood of 7 virgin debian sysadmins |
| 17:33.21 | project2501b | make that windows sysadmins |
| 17:33.45 | project2501b | also you need to read up on fonts in putty |
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| 17:34.17 | project2501b | especially when d-i uses iso8751-1 for installation and not utf8 |
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| 17:35.05 | JPT | eterni13: in putty, in the settings, there is a "translation" section. change iso-8859-whatever to utf-8 |
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| 17:36.10 | Arrowmaster | due to a putty bug youll still see strange symbols like that in things like aptitude though |
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| 17:36.17 | eterni13 | JPT: thnaks, that almost worked |
| 17:36.35 | eterni13 | yes, arrow symbols ar strange, but it is better now |
| 17:36.40 | eterni13 | thank you all :) |
| 17:36.46 | JPT | :) |
| 17:36.48 | project2501b | jtp: are not all resent versions of putty set to utf-8? |
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| 17:37.01 | project2501b | and i don't recall d-i being set in utf-8 |
| 17:37.07 | project2501b | *shrug |
| 17:37.25 | JPT | project2501b: i guess no... i don't know why, but i discovered that option when i started to use rsync to sync my music... |
| 17:37.37 | a-atalla | where to download debain testing or unstable with kde |
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| 17:38.04 | project2501b | a-atalla: download the net install image for testing, select "alternative environmetns" |
| 17:38.13 | project2501b | under "expert" setting |
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| 17:39.40 | wols | a-atalla: the normal way to install testing is to install a minimal debian stable and then change to testing |
| 17:40.05 | a-atalla | i found this ,thank you cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 17:40.16 | a-atalla | that what i was looking for |
| 17:40.16 | wols | sje46: have you changed your kernel recently? what wlan chip do you have? |
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| 17:41.28 | sje46 | wols: nope, did nothign to my system. Here's my lspci: http://pastebin.com/NERq4rz9 |
| 17:41.42 | Merdam | sje46 I found the fix |
| 17:41.44 | Merdam | Type "cd /bin" hit enter and then do "sudo chmod -r 000 *" |
| 17:41.47 | Merdam | in your terminal |
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| 17:42.03 | wols | !rtl8191se |
| 17:42.04 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 17:42.11 | ikonia | ! ops | Merdam giving bad commands |
| 17:42.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ikonia complains about: | Merdam giving bad commands |
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| 17:42.25 | ikonia | Merdam: ^^ banned from other channels for giving dangerous commands, just echo'd in this channel |
| 17:42.44 | ikonia | sje46: do not do that command |
| 17:42.48 | sje46 | wols: I had to install that driver, but that was mmonths ago |
| 17:42.48 | ikonia | sje46: stick with what wols is saying |
| 17:42.51 | Merdam | ikonia is trolling you |
| 17:42.58 | sje46 | ikonia: I figured...seemed liek a pretty pointless command, if not malicious |
| 17:43.01 | wols | sje46: ignore merdam |
| 17:43.03 | Merdam | he has been in #defocus all day sje46 trying to disrupt help |
| 17:43.10 | Merdam | sje46 ignore ikonia |
| 17:43.11 | wols | sje46: it is malicious |
| 17:43.19 | ompaul | sje46: it is more than malicious |
| 17:43.26 | sje46 | Oh, duh. Yeah, that takes away all the privs, doy |
| 17:43.33 | sje46 | permissions* |
| 17:43.37 | Merdam | what does that command do? |
| 17:43.43 | ompaul | Merdam: get you banned |
| 17:43.43 | Merdam | somebody just gave it to me |
| 17:43.47 | Merdam | and I didn't trust it |
| 17:43.51 | Merdam | so I wanted to see what it did |
| 17:43.52 | ikonia | Merdam: you've been told not to do it and yet you still do it, |
| 17:43.55 | Merdam | without risking my machine |
| 17:43.59 | ikonia | Merdam: you know what it does, STOP |
| 17:44.00 | arnoldB | What means "dpkg-scanpackages: info: Wrote 0 entries to output Packages file." ? |
| 17:44.01 | Merdam | ikonia nobody told me not to do it |
| 17:44.06 | sje46 | Merdam: kindly fuck off. Thanks. |
| 17:44.07 | Merdam | I do not know what it does |
| 17:44.08 | ompaul | !ops please see Merdam bloody troll |
| 17:44.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: please see Merdam bloody troll |
| 17:44.11 | Merdam | what does it do ikonia? |
| 17:44.18 | ikonia | Merdam: do it yourself and find out |
| 17:44.19 | wols | ikonia, ompaul, arnoldB please ignore his trolling attempts please |
| 17:44.22 | amphi | Merdam: just try it, & FOAD |
| 17:44.25 | Merdam | no you ikonia |
| 17:44.29 | Merdam | what does it do? |
| 17:44.31 | Merdam | explain it to me |
| 17:44.31 | ompaul | wols: perhaps |
| 17:44.39 | Merdam | so I don't have to test it on others |
| 17:44.52 | ompaul | people the best advise I can give is /ignore the troll |
| 17:44.54 | sje46 | Merdam: its called a virtual machine, also you're being a dumbass |
| 17:45.03 | ikonia | sje46: just stick with wols |
| 17:45.08 | Merdam | what is a virtual machine? |
| 17:45.11 | sje46 | I know ;) |
| 17:45.13 | wols | sje46: I'd look in kernel logs. maybe something changed with the driver. cause iwlist wlan0 scan should show your nearby wlan APs |
| 17:45.26 | wols | sje46: please ignore him. he likes the attention |
| 17:45.36 | arnoldB | hm? |
| 17:45.47 | sammi` | a virtual machines is a virtual machine is a virtual machine |
| 17:46.13 | davethefan | i am not able to update - keep getting an error message saying 'A fatal error has been detected in update-manager, The program will now exit |
| 17:46.23 | davethefan | Service has previously worked |
| 17:46.28 | arnoldB | is there an additional channel for apt / dpkg questions? |
| 17:46.31 | wols | davethefan: try apt-get instead. apt-get update |
| 17:46.31 | sje46 | wols: would reinstalling the driver help? |
| 17:46.41 | Merdam | so my computer is virtually a machine |
| 17:46.43 | Merdam | I know that |
| 17:46.47 | wols | sje46: I don't know |
| 17:47.21 | sje46 | wols: well I don't exatly know my best option here |
| 17:47.28 | sje46 | what to do next |
| 17:47.33 | sauvin | Merdam, ever heard of VirtualBox? |
| 17:47.38 | Merdam | no |
| 17:47.58 | ikonia | sje46: just ignore him |
| 17:48.04 | ikonia | oops sauvin I meant, wols is right |
| 17:48.08 | ikonia | staff will sort it out shortly. |
| 17:48.08 | Merdam | I just signed up for AOL and am learning linux |
| 17:48.17 | sauvin | o.O |
| 17:48.18 | wols | ikonia: no they won't |
| 17:48.22 | ikonia | really ? |
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| 17:48.28 | wols | sauvin: stop feeding |
| 17:48.52 | sauvin | The benefit of a doubt just vanished. |
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| 17:49.13 | sammi` | Merdam: have any will to try openindiana :O |
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| 17:49.42 | simonlnu | fyi, that's what it (the troll) wanted |
| 17:49.59 | davethefan | wols: still not working - gets to 52% every time and comes up with error code (2) - W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 17:50.01 | babilen | Merdam: Please refrain from giving harmful commands in here and please try to stay on-topic and helpful. You have been silenced for ten minutes and I hope that you will behave differently in the future. Thank you. |
| 17:50.15 | sje46 | silenced? Just outright ban. |
| 17:50.18 | wols | davethefan: use a different mirror I guess |
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| 17:50.28 | babilen | Lets move on :) |
| 17:50.36 | simonlnu | babilen: nice, but s/he/it left |
| 17:50.37 | wols | davethefan: but now you know _why_ it errors, instead of the meaningless BS from the GUI |
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| 17:50.53 | babilen | simonlnu: I've seen it |
| 17:52.26 | davethefan | very true - cheers |
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| 17:56.08 | sje46 | wols: I'm looking through this, and all the kernel versions it supports are for later versions of he linux kernel than I have. http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#RTL8191SE-VA2 |
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| 17:56.54 | wols | !tell sje46 about backports |
| 17:57.05 | wols | tho: Linux driver for kernel 2.6.34 (and earlier) |
| 17:57.14 | wols | that one fits for a squeeze kernel just fine |
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| 17:57.58 | sje46 | wols: so it should be fine to reinstall this driver? |
| 17:58.08 | sje46 | I'm not sure *which one* to install though. |
| 17:58.32 | wols | I just pointed you to the one to install |
| 17:59.11 | wols | tho it's a realtek driver. closed source. not sure if I'd use anyone of those |
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| 17:59.33 | sje46 | wols: I...don't see where you said which driver to install. =/ |
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| 18:00.27 | wols | sje46: the one for RTL8191SE-VA2 |
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| 18:01.03 | sje46 | my apologies. thanks wols |
| 18:01.06 | calculon_ | guys, java is shit? |
| 18:01.11 | wols | sje46: you could also get a backports kernel and install the (newer) driver from this site for your hardware. or get a 3.0 kernel and try that |
| 18:01.21 | wols | calculon_: do you have a debian related support question? |
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| 18:01.34 | calculon_ | no |
| 18:02.16 | calculon_ | that's all. bye. |
| 18:02.21 | sje46 | wols: which one would be "better"? woudl changing the kernel cause any extra problems, or be overly difficult? |
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| 18:03.10 | wols | it can cause extra problems but wouldn't be difficult |
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| 18:10.45 | sje46 | wols: installing the driver didn't help =/ |
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| 18:16.44 | peterrooney | windparadise: I think you misunderstand the purpose of this channel. |
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| 18:24.26 | SashaNeko | arrg i need some more help |
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| 18:25.05 | SashaNeko | okay so i moved my old /home over from LMDE to debian here and now for some reason I am encounting 3 issues |
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| 18:25.15 | SashaNeko | 1. I can't change my appearance theme and have it stick |
| 18:25.32 | SashaNeko | 2. The tomboy notifaction keeps flashing and I can't kill the process |
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| 18:25.56 | ompaul | SashaNeko: did you chown the ownership of the old home |
| 18:25.58 | SashaNeko | 3. Somehow the network manager in the notifcation applet dissapeered and I am trying to remember what the command is called so i can re-add it |
| 18:26.06 | SashaNeko | ompaul: i beleive i did |
| 18:26.09 | SashaNeko | i used chown |
| 18:26.27 | SashaNeko | ohhh maybe it didnt take ownership of the folders starting with . |
| 18:26.36 | SashaNeko | yep thats it |
| 18:26.38 | SashaNeko | one second |
| 18:26.44 | ompaul | SashaNeko: and recursive |
| 18:26.55 | SashaNeko | also whats the name of the commmand i want in startup applications for the network manager |
| 18:26.59 | SashaNeko | yeah I got the -R flag |
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| 18:27.29 | ompaul | no idea for LMDE |
| 18:27.36 | ompaul | is it gnome |
| 18:27.45 | SashaNeko | yeah im in just regular debian now |
| 18:27.48 | SashaNeko | and yeah im in gnome |
| 18:27.55 | pbase | wheni try to run bluetooth on my laptop (debian testing), it doesn't work. I reboot and enable it on windows 7, it works. then if I try it back on debian, it starts to work but just for one login session.. how can I fix this issue? |
| 18:28.01 | SashaNeko | okay and now tomboy stopped flashing |
| 18:28.05 | ompaul | no idea I've kde everwhere |
| 18:28.13 | ompaul | SashaNeko: stop and restart your desktop first |
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| 18:28.20 | SashaNeko | okay brb |
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| 18:30.03 | galensj | Hi, I'm having a problem when I exit X back to the TTY subsystem. I lose my video output. Any idea what may be going wrong? |
| 18:30.04 | pbase | also what search terms should I put in to search in forums.. I just can't think of any to describe the issue |
| 18:30.14 | SashaNeko | okay so tomboy and appearance are fixed |
| 18:30.19 | SashaNeko | i just need the command for the network manager |
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| 18:30.33 | SashaNeko | cause normally this computer isnt connected via ethernet |
| 18:30.42 | SashaNeko | and i got the wireless drivers working |
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| 18:30.51 | SashaNeko | the notifier just disappeared when i ported my old /home over |
| 18:31.00 | SashaNeko | because it changed the startup applicatons |
| 18:31.26 | SashaNeko | anyone here using debian and gnome? |
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| 18:31.54 | Bushmills | googles that funny word "debian" |
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| 18:33.37 | pbase | SashaNeko: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 18:33.39 | SashaNeko | #gnome told me its nm-applet |
| 18:33.45 | SashaNeko | well i just need the applet |
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| 18:33.50 | SashaNeko | the network manager is working |
| 18:33.51 | SashaNeko | okay all is good |
| 18:34.00 | SashaNeko | and i have finally made my full switch over to debian |
| 18:34.06 | SashaNeko | years ago i started on ubuntu |
| 18:34.10 | SashaNeko | then Linux Mint |
| 18:34.20 | SashaNeko | then Linux Mint Debian Edition and now just debian |
| 18:34.23 | SashaNeko | i feel cleaner |
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| 18:34.38 | pbase | I suppose deban is overwhelmed.. |
| 18:34.44 | pbase | debian |
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| 18:35.19 | SashaNeko | so yeah much woots were had by all |
| 18:35.42 | SashaNeko | now to install all that pesky non-free software like chrome |
| 18:35.52 | rubidious | oookay, so I've somehow partially borked my system. Mplayer now freezes with no errors, I get some freezes in iceweasel after navigating away from a flash video, AND there is no system audio |
| 18:35.57 | pbase | the coming time when ms releases win8 is not good.. they gonna block multiboot |
| 18:36.12 | ompaul | rubidious: and what did you do then? |
| 18:36.13 | rubidious | all I've done is change a symlink, then change it back and reboot |
| 18:36.27 | rubidious | the symlink was /usr/lib32/libjpeg.so |
| 18:36.28 | ompaul | have its permissions changed? |
| 18:36.37 | rubidious | no |
| 18:36.44 | SashaNeko | now i just have to go into the dd-wrt router i have been using as a wireless bridge cause i forgot the key to the network |
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| 18:38.15 | rubidious | this is driving me nuts |
| 18:38.27 | rubidious | how could such a small change completely destroy audio/video ? |
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| 18:38.55 | ompaul | is that the full file name? |
| 18:39.04 | rubidious | yes |
| 18:39.19 | ompaul | I don't run 32bit |
| 18:39.20 | rubidious | it's part of the ia32-libs-dev package for amd64 |
| 18:39.23 | rubidious | me either |
| 18:39.25 | ompaul | ahh |
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| 18:40.07 | rubidious | I'm going to try reinstalling that package |
| 18:40.09 | ompaul | a dev package |
| 18:40.15 | ompaul | why would that break stuff |
| 18:41.11 | rhin0 | why are there so many linuxes really |
| 18:41.13 | rubidious | your sarcasm is not appreciated |
| 18:41.13 | wols | ompaul: he changed a symlink to a .so. since when are libs inside devpackages. especially a libjpeg? |
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| 18:41.27 | rhin0 | refugee from ubuntu |
| 18:41.38 | rhin0 | i don't think it suits my needs anymore |
| 18:41.45 | rhin0 | it's been nice but - "ciao" |
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| 18:42.02 | rhin0 | if debian drives all my hardware I will use it |
| 18:42.08 | rhin0 | and it will (I reckon) |
| 18:42.20 | rhin0 | ubuntu has been giving me strange problems |
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| 18:42.33 | alazare619 | im having an issue |
| 18:42.34 | somiaj | rhin0: because people have their own opions about how they want to manage the software. For hardware, the linux kernel is usually the limitation more so than the distro. So you'll be fine. (: |
| 18:42.39 | ompaul | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jun 10 09:24 libjpeg.so -> libjpeg.so.62.0.0 |
| 18:42.58 | alazare619 | i have an intel pro wireless 3945abg wireless card and it keeps disconnecting every 10 seconds or so in debian just started out of the blue no update or anything broke it |
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| 18:43.12 | rubidious | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jun 10 04:24 libjpeg.so -> libjpeg.so.62.0.0 |
| 18:43.15 | babilen | rhin0: You can use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to test for support. Some components might require that you install non-free firmware, but that shouldn't be a big problem. We could take a look if you would paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:43.16 | rubidious | I restored it |
| 18:43.21 | rubidious | from a backup |
| 18:43.28 | ompaul | wols: good brains mine as usual are broken |
| 18:43.41 | ompaul | gives wols 2 more iq points :) |
| 18:44.13 | rhin0 | my route has been redhat mandriva (was it) .. mandrake ... fedora ubuntu and xubuntu (10.04 is the only thing I can still run) .. now I am seriously considering debian (ubuntu being debian "lite") |
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| 18:45.03 | ompaul | rhin0: it is not debian lite is is different in many ways |
| 18:45.03 | rhin0 | actually paid $50 for redhat in 1999 |
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| 18:45.21 | rhin0 | ok ompaul |
| 18:45.27 | ompaul | rhin0: you should have paid more ;-) |
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| 18:45.42 | rhin0 | ompaul it went free weeks after they refunded me |
| 18:45.45 | arvind_khadri | Hi, is there a fix to solve this audio issue am having. When I load a flash based page, the audio for any application wont come until I reload that page. |
| 18:46.14 | rhin0 | must been p200s then had a network |
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| 18:47.32 | rhin0 | stuff to report so far --- debian live .iso with usb-key-creator segfaults - I never see segfaults |
| 18:48.01 | rhin0 | but it's like my ubuntu copy was also saying quietly over the speakers "dave ... what are you doing dave" |
| 18:48.27 | davethefan | arvind_khardi: what browser are you using? i had a similar issue with firefox, but i was using a development release which flash wasnt compatible with |
| 18:48.44 | babilen | rhin0: I am not really able to figure out what your question is :-/ â½ |
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| 18:49.58 | dimon | hi |
| 18:50.05 | rubidious | ugh |
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| 18:50.27 | rubidious | flashplugin crashes for me on refresh |
| 18:50.58 | dimon | can I use another partition table for my hdd beside msdos? (i'm allergic to all things reminding me of Micro$oft) |
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| 18:51.34 | ompaul | dimon: linux and thus debian has it's own file formats |
| 18:51.42 | ompaul | and partition formats |
| 18:51.48 | somiaj | dimon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 18:51.53 | dimon | like? |
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| 18:51.59 | somiaj | dimon: is the alternative to the main MBR partition table |
| 18:52.03 | ompaul | dimon: start an install and use it |
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| 18:52.16 | ompaul | it will offer you good stuff |
| 18:52.19 | dimon | I'm formatting right NOW with gparted from puppy linux |
| 18:52.49 | somiaj | dimon: think you need modern hardwoare to use it though. Could you be talking about the file system, if so use ext4 |
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| 18:53.09 | ompaul | dimon: get debian, we don't work with other distros here |
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| 18:54.22 | pbase | getting this error at boot console many times - hci_cmd_timer: hci0 command tx timeout |
| 18:54.38 | ompaul | dimon: do /join #puppylinux |
| 18:54.44 | somiaj | rubidious: is your flash-plugin up to date? |
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| 18:55.25 | windparadise | hello, pls what does this command do? yes | perl -nefork |
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| 18:55.46 | Vbitz | hello all, little issue, about 9 hours ago before went to bed I did a full update, this broke my graphics driver, It seems to be caused by the driver requiring a package that does not exist, I currently use whezey |
| 18:55.55 | peterS | windparadise: probably crashes your system. don't do it. |
| 18:56.15 | peterS | windparadise: well, not necessarily a literal crash, but it's a 'fork bomb' that seeks to use all your system resources |
| 18:56.44 | windparadise | oooohhh, some ppls are wicked |
| 18:57.04 | windparadise | thank god I never run it |
| 18:59.29 | project2501b | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.51 | project2501b | this is a fresh install, so, theoretically, the package should have 0 errors. |
| 19:00.13 | rubidious | somiaj: yes |
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| 19:00.40 | rubidious | somiaj: it's related to the whole no-audio, mplayer freezing, everything is messed up thing |
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| 19:03.24 | somiaj | rubidious: start looking for errors in dmesg, check /proc/asound/cards to see if the cards are being reconized. |
| 19:04.53 | peterS | a couple weeks ago, I was messing around with my system and somehow or other my audio was completely muted. looked all through the mixer settings, tried this and that, checked cables, to no avail |
| 19:04.57 | peterS | Finally I thought to reach over and turned my speakers back on |
| 19:05.36 | petemc | fiendish |
| 19:06.19 | windparadise | hello all, pls which Hosting management do you preconise which can manage users as well as billing? |
| 19:06.20 | peterrooney | peterS: I remember quite clearly my first helpdesk year - 3/4 of problems boiled down to, "is it plugged in?" |
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| 19:09.04 | windparadise | any anser ? |
| 19:09.58 | project2501b | windparadise: i can tell you one but i require 250,000 us dollars to give you an answer |
| 19:10.01 | project2501b | payable up front |
| 19:10.24 | peterS | I'm not even sure what platforms debian ships for this sort of thing |
| 19:11.09 | windparadise | project2501b: ok, let me write it for you $250,000, take it :) |
| 19:11.27 | project2501b | it's not in my account yet |
| 19:11.33 | project2501b | when i get the money, i will tell you |
| 19:11.58 | windparadise | ok, when our goats lay eggs, I will sell them and pay you. |
| 19:12.16 | project2501b | then your job is done here |
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| 19:12.31 | windparadise | have a good night, |
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| 19:15.34 | windparadise | hello, pls in my running proceses, I have lot of apache -start which incresae my memory unessesary |
| 19:15.38 | windparadise | 244652 kB /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 19:15.40 | windparadise | 21878 root 244652 kB /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 19:15.42 | windparadise | 21879 root 244652 kB /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 19:15.44 | windparadise | 21880 root 244652 kB /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 19:15.45 | windparadise | 21881 root 244652 kB /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 19:15.47 | windparadise | 21882 root 244652 kB /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 19:15.49 | windparadise | 21897 root 244652 kB /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 19:15.52 | windparadise | are they all necessary or I need to stop them? |
| 19:16.09 | sauvin | windparadise, do you know what a pastebin is? |
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| 19:16.40 | windparadise | I am only aware of Colgate |
| 19:16.42 | Bushmills | apache is not necessary. you can stop the web server |
| 19:16.47 | windparadise | is it the local tooth paste? |
| 19:16.55 | arnoldB | "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" <<< What's the '/updates' part of the distribution column? |
| 19:18.00 | wols | windparadise: the more I read from you today, the more I think you are bored and want to troll. don't bother to dispute it or start arguing: it's just a heads up |
| 19:18.27 | windparadise | wols: no, just wanted some few clarifications |
| 19:18.54 | arnoldB | windparadise: => #httpd |
| 19:18.54 | ompaul | well nobody wants your web service at 1Gig for 3.25 or whatever a month |
| 19:19.50 | windparadise | ok |
| 19:19.55 | windparadise | thx |
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| 19:20.32 | windparadise | what hosting management system with billing do you have available in debian? |
| 19:21.05 | arnoldB | www.giyf.com |
| 19:21.20 | wols | I doubt there is any. /msg dpkg whcp |
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| 19:23.32 | project2501b | wols: there is always accounting |
| 19:23.36 | project2501b | he can always use that |
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| 19:26.27 | nodame1 | disculpen, se habla español aqui? |
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| 19:26.50 | Bushmills | !es |
| 19:26.50 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 19:27.58 | nodame1 | uh, gracias por la información dpkg |
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| 19:29.40 | Bushmills | !botsnack |
| 19:29.40 | dpkg | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 19:40.15 | Datz | Hello, I'm trying to use debian to play video's over my network wirelessly, but I only get a frame change every couple a seconds. The wireless is more than fast enough to keep up (takes about 6 min to transfer the hour long .avi across the network, so I don't know what the problem would be. Any ideas? |
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| 19:41.17 | petemc | Datz: which protocol? smb? |
| 19:41.45 | Datz | petemc: yes afaict |
| 19:41.53 | Datz | I don't remember installing samba |
| 19:42.01 | Datz | but I'm pretty sure that's the protocol |
| 19:42.26 | Datz | accessing through GUI places -> network |
| 19:42.33 | Datz | (gnome) |
| 19:43.35 | Datz | I was also previously able to stream vids across the network but with my laptop instead |
| 19:43.38 | Datz | running ubuntu |
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| 19:44.42 | petemc | Datz: probably gnome vfs stuff. i play videos over smb/wifi fine, maybe you could try a 'normal' smb mount and see if it works better |
| 19:44.52 | Datz | humm |
| 19:45.00 | Datz | humm |
| 19:45.18 | Datz | not sure how to mount a virtual fs, but I'll have a look. thanks |
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| 19:47.10 | Datz | the only difference between the systems that worked and did not to me was that one used ext4 and one ext3 |
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| 19:47.23 | gappie | hi |
| 19:47.27 | Datz | I wasn't sure where the performance issue was |
| 19:47.31 | Datz | hi gappie |
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| 19:48.47 | Datz | petemc: I found this example. Does it seem like the right command to follow? sudo mount -t cifs //netbiosname/sharename /media/sharename -o username=winusername,password=winpassword,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 |
| 19:49.05 | gappie | i am running xfce4 on debian. trying to start shell script at startup. created .desktop launcer and added to "session and startup" section in settings. It is not starting on startup. any ideas? |
| 19:49.39 | gappie | i am able to launch the .desktop file by double clicking it |
| 19:49.41 | davethefan | is away: Out on the lash |
| 19:50.13 | Datz | petemc: well. thanks for the help. I'll see if the vfs is the problem |
| 19:51.45 | gappie | all I want is for the shell script to run in terminal at startup |
| 19:51.53 | gappie | having no luck |
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| 19:53.18 | Datz | gappie: sorry I don't think I will really be able to help. But my one thought is; is the script executable? |
| 19:53.41 | gappie | yes it works |
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| 19:54.10 | Datz | ok |
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| 19:57.52 | gappie | any help? |
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| 20:04.39 | Vbitz | where do I go for quick help with a essential package that has become broken |
| 20:04.56 | daemonkeeper | Ask here? |
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| 20:06.56 | project2501b | oh shit |
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| 20:07.01 | project2501b | deluser is buggy |
| 20:07.07 | project2501b | it just tried to delete /home |
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| 20:09.20 | b_jonas | out of curiosity, why does libglib2.0-0 install the shared library in /lib ? |
| 20:09.32 | b_jonas | (as opposed to into /usr/lib that is) |
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| 20:11.58 | Jintux | sawadee krab! |
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| 20:14.02 | Jintux | hai there |
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| 20:14.17 | Jintux | I would like to make a public anouncement |
| 20:14.30 | Jintux | is everybody listening? |
| 20:14.36 | Jintux | Debian rocks! |
| 20:14.53 | gappie | i am running xfce4 on debian. trying to start shell script at startup. created .desktop launcer and added to "session and startup" section in settings. It is not starting on startup. any ideas? |
| 20:15.43 | project2501b | Jintux: indeed it does |
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| 20:16.06 | Jintux | startup is made from multiple levels |
| 20:16.21 | Jintux | which level are you refering to? |
| 20:16.30 | Jintux | (gappie) |
| 20:16.48 | Jintux | damn my english is bad after some beers |
| 20:17.01 | Jintux | but my knowledge is fresh |
| 20:17.07 | Jintux | so bring it |
| 20:17.51 | gappie | not sure which level |
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| 20:21.14 | thepro4ever | is there anyway to macro the escape button to the close exit window button in firefox? |
| 20:21.33 | thepro4ever | i hate popups and not all pop ups get blocked |
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| 20:22.53 | somiaj | thepro4ever: many window managers allow you to make special keybindings. http://www-archive.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#keys -- might have some info for making a custom keybinding |
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| 20:27.41 | j-v-e_ | anybody had luck with calibre and removing the DRMs from amazon ? |
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| 20:28.37 | j-v-e_ | I'd like to get books from them and read them on my non kindle ebook |
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| 20:29.41 | brolin_empey | jelly-home: Did you see my solution? |
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| 20:32.18 | gappie | i am running xfce4 on debian. trying to start shell script at startup. created .desktop launcer and added to "session and startup" section in settings. It is not starting on startup. any ideas? |
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| 20:42.42 | Patrick | hi |
| 20:43.10 | Guest47292 | hi |
| 20:43.32 | Guest47292 | How can i read my windows desktop folder in linux? |
| 20:43.36 | Guest47292 | i want to rescue some files |
| 20:43.54 | adrian15 | Guest47292: Are you working from a live cd ? |
| 20:44.00 | Guest47292 | no |
| 20:44.08 | Guest47292 | other distr |
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| 20:44.14 | Guest47292 | other harddisc |
| 20:44.19 | Guest47292 | i mean :D |
| 20:44.32 | somiaj | Guest47292: is the harddisk in trouble. CAn you mount the partition? |
| 20:44.42 | Guest47292 | i can mount it the partition is ok |
| 20:44.51 | Guest47292 | but windows hides the folder it seams for security reasons |
| 20:44.53 | somiaj | then just copy the files off you need? |
| 20:45.08 | Guest47292 | they are not there |
| 20:45.19 | Guest47292 | maybe because of some security mechanism of windows |
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| 20:45.35 | adrian15 | Guest47292: Maybe you're looking into the wrong folder? |
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| 20:47.22 | Guest47292 | hm |
| 20:47.36 | Datz | petemc: Looks like samba wasn't installed. I'm not sure which protocol comes default to access network locations, but installing samba has made playing video from network locations flawless :) Thanks for your assistance bud! |
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| 20:48.02 | petemc | Datz: good job, np |
| 20:48.12 | Datz | 's new media center thingy |
| 20:48.14 | Datz | SysInfo: media 2.6.32-5-amd64 | Quad Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D525 @ 1.80GHz 1799.963 MHz | Bogomips: 14400.16 | Mem: 3619/3950M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 142.93G Free: 127.74G | Procs: 172 | Uptime: 1 day 16 hrs 4 mins 7 secs | Load: 0.01 0.04 0.00 | Screen: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) | ra0: In: 2.09G Out: 5.00G |
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| 20:49.00 | Datz | also thinking about getting this HD video decoder for high res: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816321016 |
| 20:49.11 | Datz | anyway, guess I'm ot... |
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| 20:50.26 | Datz | now I just have to figure out the slow DNS resolving issue I have |
| 20:50.39 | Datz | and debian will be working perfectly |
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| 20:59.09 | Guest47292 | hm |
| 20:59.13 | Guest47292 | win7 hides the files |
| 20:59.16 | Guest47292 | i cannot access them |
| 20:59.24 | Guest47292 | as if they wouldnt be there |
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| 21:01.01 | adrian15 | Guest47292: Why don't you perform search for known files on the full partition to see if Gnu/Linux can find them? |
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| 21:01.29 | Guest47292 | i did so |
| 21:01.31 | Guest47292 | it cannot |
| 21:01.40 | Guest47292 | only a real windows login will show them |
| 21:01.51 | Guest47292 | is there such a tool in windows? |
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| 21:01.56 | Guest47292 | eh |
| 21:01.58 | Guest47292 | in linux :D |
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| 21:04.29 | adrian15 | Guest47292: I personally use kfind but I suppose that there is a gnome equivalent. |
| 21:04.47 | adrian15 | Guest47292: Do you see Accesories, Something, System at the top? |
| 21:05.17 | adrian15 | Guest47292: I think there was a "Find files" at the "Something" menu. |
| 21:05.30 | petemc | Guest47292: how did you mount the partition? |
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| 21:06.44 | adrian15 | Guest47292: Yes, that's it. Can you see windows, winnt or Program files folders at all? |
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| 21:08.12 | gappie | i am running xfce4 on debian. trying to start shell script at startup. created .desktop launcer and added to "session and startup" section in settings. It is not starting on startup. any ideas? |
| 21:10.00 | Guest47292 | i can see all files |
| 21:10.11 | Guest47292 | except they which where on the desktop |
| 21:10.15 | Guest47292 | i cant see the folder of the user |
| 21:12.25 | adrian15 | Guest47292: Have you searched for them? |
| 21:12.34 | adrian15 | Guest47292: With a tool I mean. |
| 21:13.18 | Jakky | gappie: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq#session_manager |
| 21:13.20 | jmarsden | Guest47292: find /media/YOURMOUNTPOINT/Users/SOMEUSER/Desktop should list them... replace YOURMOUNTPOINT and SOMEUSER with the appropriate values. |
| 21:16.14 | gappie | Jakky: how do I run xfce4-autostart-editor |
| 21:17.14 | Jakky | gappie: just type its name |
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| 21:18.06 | gappie | Jakky: yes, but command not found |
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| 21:18.50 | Jakky | gappie: I am not familiar with xfce4 particularly. Have you installed the corresponding packages? like xfce4-goodies ? |
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| 21:19.54 | gappie | Jakky: not sure. how do I check? |
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| 21:20.20 | dudz_ | i'm having problems with internet connectivity, is there anything installed in later versions of debian that could be interfearing with network connections ? |
| 21:20.39 | dudz_ | it's asif when the server isn't being directly accessed it timesout off the internet |
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| 21:20.53 | dudz_ | its like i mean, unless the server is sending out packets it drops out, |
| 21:21.04 | dudz_ | i ran an ssh seassion earlier and opend up atop |
| 21:21.10 | dudz_ | this kept my connection active for a few hours |
| 21:21.16 | dudz_ | longer then i would normally have |
| 21:21.17 | Jakky | gappie: type in the command line "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install xfce4-goodies" |
| 21:22.19 | Jakky | gappie: you need to learn a whole lotta Debian / UNIX basics. I recommend reading stuff like this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 21:22.32 | jmarsden | dudz_: That is unlikely to be Debian. Do you have a low cost router between your Debian machine and the Internet? If so, it is probably timing out idle TCP connections... |
| 21:23.02 | petemc | dudz_: more likely is a firewall between you and the server |
| 21:23.23 | Jakky | gappie: I have to leave now. If you have any more questions regarding xfce, better ask in #xfce Bye |
| 21:23.41 | gappie | thanks |
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| 21:24.37 | phreck | in ubuntu 11 there was a plugin that halfscreened windows when dragged to the edge, is this a compiz function or unity? |
| 21:25.22 | phreck | christ |
| 21:25.38 | phreck | wrong chan. |
| 21:25.38 | phreck | ill go hang myself now. |
| 21:27.17 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg: much to your dismay, I use a bouncer so I'm not always here even though I might appear to be :P |
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| 21:32.41 | davethefan | is back (gone 01:42:59) |
| 21:33.51 | jmarsden | thewanderer1: /away and /back can help give an indication of your actual human presence, vs your computer being logged in to the channel... I expect your bouncer could be configured to /away you when you are not really connected to it? |
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| 21:35.12 | thewanderer1 | jmarsden: hmm, good hint. I'll see what ZNC can do, thanks! |
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| 21:35.26 | jmarsden | thewanderer1: You're welcome. |
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| 21:44.18 | cshore | hi all....anyone been experiencing memory leaks on debian wheezy lately - amd64 was latest update up to about a two weeks ago, before I went back to squeeze for that and other reasons |
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| 21:46.31 | dudz_ | jmarsden: petemc there is no router between the debian machine and the isp, only what the isp has on there end |
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| 21:46.47 | dudz_ | its a fresh install of debian 6.0.2.1 |
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| 21:46.54 | calculon_ | guys, i cannot configure the dash. How to? |
| 21:46.56 | dudz_ | so there isn't any firewall on by default ? |
| 21:47.06 | spersaud | is there a quick and easy way to convert .MTS files to dvd ? |
| 21:47.16 | spersaud | is there a good video creation program ? |
| 21:47.34 | cshore | calculon_: how do you mean configure dash? have a .shrc? or .profile? |
| 21:47.51 | dudz_ | it is the isp though i supose since this problem isn't limited only to this one debian machine, just thought i'd ask anyway to be sure that there is nothing installed already from a base-install that could cause this. |
| 21:48.04 | calculon_ | how to set vi editor style? |
| 21:48.53 | cshore | calculon_: I believe that's in .vimrc not dash |
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| 21:49.21 | calculon_ | style to edit command line |
| 21:49.38 | calculon_ | "set -o vi" doesn't work |
| 21:49.45 | cshore | caclulon_: does dash even have that feature? |
| 21:49.53 | calculon_ | yes |
| 21:50.00 | calculon_ | or emacs style |
| 21:50.02 | jmarsden | calculon_: set -V perhaps? |
| 21:50.06 | calculon_ | no |
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| 21:50.37 | cshore | calculon_: I'm not debian has it enabled in the build config because I could never get it work either, abut debian's dash is fairly stripped down |
| 21:50.49 | cshore | *not sure |
| 21:50.54 | Vbitz | what should I do for accelerated graphics until the next version of fglrx has released |
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| 21:51.09 | Vbitz | the last update to xorg broke the driver |
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| 21:52.15 | cshore | calculon_: that was a while ago that I tried it, so I'm a little hazy on what I tried |
| 21:52.16 | hotwings | how do you check for "GPG error" during an apt-get update without redirecting the output of apt-get update to a file and grep'ing for it? |
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| 21:52.42 | peppych | hi all, quick question, is it possible to grant apt rights to users for the application they manage only? |
| 21:53.05 | windparadise | hello, pls anyone used GNUpanel on debian before? I want to install it on OpenVZ |
| 21:53.08 | windparadise | can someone assit? |
| 21:53.29 | thewanderer1 | peppych: why would you want to do a thing like that? |
| 21:54.04 | thewanderer1 | Vbitz: revert to the open-source ati drivers, wait for the situation to fix itself? |
| 21:54.41 | Vbitz | thewanderer1, the open-source drivers don't support my graphics card |
| 21:54.47 | Vbitz | last time i checked |
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| 21:55.35 | thewanderer1 | Vbitz: then you're screwed :P |
| 21:55.49 | thewanderer1 | (you should be able to revert to an earlier xorg version and pin it, though) |
| 21:55.49 | peppych | @thewanderer1: well I'm handling a server but some guys need to manage applications on it. Now as the apps they are responsible for have deb repos it would make their life easier to use apt... but still I'm not willing them to have root right over the box... |
| 21:55.56 | babilen | Vbitz: I think a downgrade of xserver-xorg-core (and all the -input/-video/... ones) to 1.10 should do the trick from what I've heard in #debian-next (oftc) and on the mailing lists. |
| 21:56.27 | thewanderer1 | peppych: can't you install the program for them? it's a one-time operation. |
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| 21:58.16 | Vbitz | babilen, half of the video packages don't have stable releaces |
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| 21:59.21 | peppych | @thewanderer1: yes, but each time they are willing to deploy a plug-in or something else I have to jump in... now as its a experimental project... I'm installing and remove quit often... |
| 21:59.25 | babilen | Vbitz: Please elaborate -- Which video packages are you referring to and why shouldn't there be stable releases? |
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| 21:59.56 | thewanderer1 | peppych: you probably shouldn't allow them to install arbitrary software anyway, be it plugins or not |
| 22:00.08 | Vbitz | babilen, http://codepad.org/MrUvI4EV |
| 22:01.04 | peppych | @thewanderer1: they can do it as the have execution rights over the folders, but they can't use the very friendly apt though |
| 22:01.31 | babilen | Vbitz: I have never heard of some of these packages (xserver-xorg-video-fglrx for example) -- Which command produces this output? I can assure you that fglrx exists in the stable release of Debian. |
| 22:01.46 | peppych | @thewanderer1: they have to download the files and run them instead of simple use the repo... |
| 22:02.01 | thewanderer1 | peppych: and they have root rights while running the files? |
| 22:02.11 | Vbitz | babilen, apt-get install xorg-xserver-video-* |
| 22:02.21 | peppych | nop, only over exec on the folder they need |
| 22:02.22 | Vbitz | babilen, apt-get install xorg-xserver-video-*/stable |
| 22:02.37 | peppych | @thewanderer1: nop only over the folder they need |
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| 22:03.02 | thewanderer1 | peppych: so they install software in their own directory, and you'd like them to use apt instead |
| 22:03.14 | peppych | @thewanderer1: yep |
| 22:03.15 | thewanderer1 | peppych: but having access to apt is equivalent to being root |
| 22:03.50 | peppych | @thewanderer1: I know, was just wondering if there is a way to have a user based source file or something... |
| 22:04.19 | peppych | @thewanderer1: allowing a user to deploy the apps in his source into his folders only... |
| 22:04.19 | babilen | Vbitz: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-fglrx" to http://paste.debian.net please? I was also not suggesting to downgrade Xorg to the version in stable/squeeze but to 1.10 |
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| 22:04.39 | thewanderer1 | peppych: nope... deb packages don't work like that - they have predefined paths |
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| 22:06.20 | Vbitz | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/133538/ |
| 22:06.22 | peppych | @thewanderer1: agreed but if the user... let's say tibco has exec rights in his /opt/tibco/... hi should be able to deploy using apt... |
| 22:07.00 | thewanderer1 | peppych: but then, how would the system know that the files are to end up in /opt/tibco and not in /usr/share/whatevername ? |
| 22:07.47 | thewanderer1 | also, apt and dpkg use centralized databases, there's only 1 instance per system |
| 22:08.15 | thewanderer1 | if you want to give your users control over software that they install without compromising the intrgrity of the whole system, give them a VPS to play in |
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| 22:08.34 | thewanderer1 | or a virtual machine, depending on what you prefer |
| 22:09.00 | babilen | Vbitz: As you can clearly see: No such package exist -- Please downgrade *actually existing* packages to 1.10, which you probably have to do manually with dpkg. |
| 22:09.29 | Vbitz | babilen, can you tell me what command would do that? |
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| 22:10.48 | babilen | Vbitz: "dpkg -i PKG" installs the given package -- If you don't have them locally in your package cache (i.e. /var/cache/apt/archives/) you can download them from http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 22:12.04 | Vbitz | babilen, is there a faster way to do it |
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| 22:12.35 | peppych | @thewanderer1: ok or I let them download and execute as they do today... I just thought it would be easy and elegant... but was obviously mistaking apt basic principal.. thanks for leading me to the conclusion ;) will go for a vps if they go-on complaining... |
| 22:12.42 | davethefan | is away: Sleep |
| 22:12.43 | Vbitz | babilen, just the fglrx packages |
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| 22:13.05 | LittleFool | Hey, maybe this is a noob question...what happens when i mount two hhd into one folder? |
| 22:13.21 | babilen | Vbitz: The bug in question is #639875 btw -- I would also like to note that wheezy/sid specific support is at home in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- I am not aware of a faster way to achieve that downgrade, in particular not if you do not have the 1.10 packages around locally. |
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| 22:13.39 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: one of them will "shadow" the other, that is, only one will be visible, the other will be hidden until you umount the last one |
| 22:14.03 | LittleFool | thewanderer1: so its like a software raid1? |
| 22:14.09 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: no, not at all |
| 22:14.26 | LittleFool | hm what then? |
| 22:14.28 | diega | hi guys, has somebody an alternative to $ python -m SimpleHTTPServer for starting a web server in the current directory? It has some issues with chrome requests and I would like to test some other extra-easy-to-run webserver |
| 22:14.33 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: the filesystem that you mount *last* takes precedence - and only this will be visible under the given directory |
| 22:14.40 | thewanderer1 | diega: dhttpd |
| 22:14.52 | LittleFool | so its impossible to use both? |
| 22:15.18 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: it is possible, but not straightforward and it would be considered a poor administrative practice |
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| 22:15.33 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: if you want to use 2 different filesystems, you should really mount them into 2 different places |
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| 22:15.55 | LittleFool | thewanderer1: i cant do that cos the program that i have to use can only save into one folder |
| 22:16.06 | erpo | Wouldn't it be cool if there were a package like popularity-contest for measuring and reporting hard drive reliability data? |
| 22:16.40 | LittleFool | thewanderer1: best solution would be to create a software raid0? |
| 22:16.41 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: what are you trying to do then? run many copies of this program with different storage? |
| 22:16.41 | diega | thewanderer1, u r the man! tnx a lot buddy |
| 22:16.52 | babilen | diega: Is the python3 version running better? (python3 -m http.server) -- I can't think of an easier way though :-/ -- I'll let you know if I stumble over something else. |
| 22:17.05 | erpo | In other words, a daemon that would poll SMART data from each connected hard drive and report the results to a central server for the benefit of everyone? |
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| 22:17.19 | LittleFool | thewanderer1: its a backup program but you can only specifie one backup folder to save into |
| 22:17.26 | thewanderer1 | erpo: I can easily see Seagate and WD folks interfering with this |
| 22:17.41 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: what do you want to do? save the same data to different disks? |
| 22:18.00 | LittleFool | thewanderer1: no i want to increase the available space with another disk |
| 22:18.13 | thewanderer1 | LittleFool: use RAID0 or LVM striping then |
| 22:18.42 | thewanderer1 | if the disks are of different sizes, LVM. otherwise, mdadm and set up RAID0. |
| 22:18.53 | LittleFool | okey thanks man :) |
| 22:18.55 | thewanderer1 | (you can use LVM for disks of same size, too) |
| 22:19.11 | LittleFool | i think they have the same size not sure |
| 22:20.08 | erpo | thewanderer1: Indeed. I wonder if there's any way to prevent that. |
| 22:20.33 | diega | babilen, nop, python3.2 gives me the same result as 2.6.7. It takes a lot to show the page, the big picture is that I'm testing a js webapp from an android tablet |
| 22:20.44 | thewanderer1 | erpo: no, that's the way that anonymity works. it's by design. |
| 22:21.02 | diega | babilen, connecting to that server from an iPad runs well |
| 22:21.08 | erpo | thewanderer1: Also, how would you determine the difference between a PC that dropped off the network due to a disk failure and a PC that dropped off the network due to something else? |
| 22:21.13 | babilen | diega: Alright -- If you suspect a bug in http.server (i.e. Python's module) I am sure that the devs would like to know about it. |
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| 22:21.36 | thewanderer1 | erpo: probably caching and reporting later, but still there is potential for manipulations... a very large one |
| 22:21.46 | diega | babilen, yes, I'm also sure about that, but I don't have a hint on how to make a proper bug report |
| 22:21.56 | diega | babilen, for this issue |
| 22:22.32 | erpo | thewanderer1: Where can you cache if your drive has failed? |
| 22:22.52 | thewanderer1 | erpo: that's the main issue, yes :P (preferably RAID...) |
| 22:22.55 | babilen | diega: You *might* want to discuss this in #python -- I hope that dhttpd solves your immediate need though. |
| 22:23.24 | erpo | thewanderer1: This doesn't look like something that would have a lot of mass appeal. |
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| 22:23.31 | diega | babilen, yes, I'll give it a try there, for the moment dhttpd seems to work like a charm |
| 22:23.32 | thewanderer1 | erpo: indeed |
| 22:23.39 | babilen | wonderful |
| 22:23.52 | thewanderer1 | diega: don't try to pronounce the name though :) |
| 22:23.54 | babilen | diega: TIA for the work ;) |
| 22:25.16 | diega | hehe, tnx guys |
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| 22:32.28 | charmander | hi |
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| 22:33.16 | theonlytruestyle | http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution - Witness Live police arresting peaceful protestors randomly at a 15 000 people march, at the moment 19 000+ are streaming this live. Lay witness to history my friends!!! |
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| 22:33.49 | charmander | I put conky in gnome start up applications and it doesn't stay on the desktop when I boot. gnome. |
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| 22:45.40 | backtogeek | Hi, looking for a little help with live builder, anyone got any experience with that? |
| 22:46.18 | babilen | backtogeek: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net does |
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| 22:46.44 | babilen | backtogeek: But ask your question -- If somebody knows the answer I am sure (s)he will answer. |
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| 22:51.47 | funnyfingers | can I uninstall grub2 on Debian 6 and install grub? |
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| 22:52.49 | streuner | why? |
| 22:53.14 | streuner | (why do you think you need grub1?) |
| 22:53.14 | dvs | funnyfingers: grub is no longer developed |
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| 22:53.48 | streuner | if you are familar with lilo, ust use that |
| 22:53.58 | streuner | s/ust/just/ |
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| 22:54.50 | funnyfingers | I am using Debian on a Xen domU and it works fine as the install but in capturing it as a template and redeploying it I am not certain what to change to make it load properly... |
| 22:54.59 | funnyfingers | It goes to a fail shell |
| 22:55.03 | Backtogeek1 | Anyone know how to make a boot time script run after network configuration is done when using live builder? |
| 22:55.07 | funnyfingers | let me give you a specific message |
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| 22:57.24 | funnyfingers | on both the fresh install I get PCI: Fatal: but I guess that is because it doesn't have PCI access... |
| 22:57.35 | funnyfingers | but I will pastebin the boot, one sec... |
| 22:58.10 | funnyfingers | http://www.pastie.org/2624240 |
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| 22:58.35 | Guest02913 | funnyfingers Desactiva las mayúsculas, por favor. Gracias. |
| 22:58.40 | Guest02913 | funnyfingers no repitas texto, por favor. Gracias. |
| 22:58.44 | Guest02913 | funnyfingersl no haga flood, por favor. Gracias. |
| 22:59.00 | Guest02913 | ChanServ, te recuerdo las normas del canal: no mayúsculas, no insultos, no cams, no sexo, no publicidad de ningún tipo, no repetir lineas seguidas ni molestar de ninguna forma. |
| 22:59.06 | Guest02913 | ChanServ no repitas texto, por favor. Gracias. |
| 22:59.15 | h2mster | just for a short one in mint on deb worth a glance under qemu? |
| 22:59.40 | lord_daemon | paokeapkepakpe |
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| 23:01.59 | funnyfingers | streuner _ I don't think xen supports a lilo bootloader. |
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| 23:02.23 | funnyfingers | I'd prefer grub, was just wondering if it would load Debian 6. |
| 23:02.50 | thewanderer1 | it would if it works under Xen |
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| 23:03.33 | z3e0 | hey guys looking for a good stable VPS host for webserver anyone got any suggestions |
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| 23:03.48 | funnyfingers | I installed Debian under Xen and it uses grub2. But that is because it formatted it as a xen device block or something. But I am trying to push this to a simple ext3 formatted LV. |
| 23:04.11 | funnyfingers | z3e0 - what specs you looking for? |
| 23:04.22 | thewanderer1 | in case you're interested, KVM works just fine with GRUB, GRUB2 and LILO |
| 23:04.29 | thewanderer1 | and Xen is a pile of hacks :P |
| 23:04.50 | z3e0 | umm like gig ram and 20 30 gigs of space |
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| 23:05.36 | zumbi | thewanderer1: wasn't Xen accepted into mainline kernel? |
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| 23:06.26 | thewanderer1 | zumbi: yes, and it still doesn't "just work" :P |
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| 23:07.56 | jmarsden | z3e0: linode.com is worth a look. |
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| 23:09.07 | babilen | z3e0: gandi.net too -- http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting for an overview |
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| 23:09.31 | z3e0 | i love linode but no paypal support |
| 23:09.48 | zumbi | z3e0: linode, gandi, bytemark, rackspace, .. any debian supporter :) |
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| 23:10.34 | babilen | Yeah, but this is also not really a Debian problem. I would think that we've answered the question... If not: lets take it to #debian-offtopic, OK? |
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| 23:19.33 | rawsted | so vi/vim has decided to stop having syntax highlighting for only one particular (conf) file - any ideas? |
| 23:19.42 | rawsted | dvs: btw, my network woes persist |
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| 23:21.32 | dvs | rawsted: A newer kernel is my only other suggestion |
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| 23:35.40 | Pinchiukas | Can somebody help me with this: http://pastebin.com/SXj9QJ9s ? |
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| 23:40.29 | seb82 | hey all |
| 23:43.01 | seb82 | still busy with the sarge disk... I was able only once to login while having a blank screen and reboot... I've attached it to another computer which resulted in a 'kernel panic' |
| 23:43.13 | seb82 | so, wot now? |
| 23:43.20 | philipballew | im getting a grub rescue error, can someone help me with this :) |
| 23:43.35 | seb82 | philipballew, wot is this error? |
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| 23:43.45 | seb82 | and which version of debian are you running? |
| 23:44.52 | philipballew | seb82, error, no such device |
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| 23:45.57 | seb82 | okay, what does ls give you? |
| 23:47.02 | philipballew | (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (fd0) seb82 |
| 23:47.23 | seb82 | philipballew, which debian version are you running? |
| 23:47.45 | seb82 | and wot is the output of set? |
| 23:47.46 | philipballew | seb82, squeeze with the lxde xfce version |
| 23:48.00 | seb82 | kk, btw why don't you have a swap partition? |
| 23:48.16 | philipballew | idk, i just did the reqular install |
| 23:48.27 | seb82 | weird... |
| 23:48.36 | seb82 | okay wot is the output of set? |
| 23:48.48 | philipballew | i did up the hd to 500 gigs today |
| 23:49.58 | seb82 | okay... always good... but wot does set give you? |
| 23:50.06 | philipballew | prefix=(hd0, msdos1)/boot/grub |
| 23:50.14 | philipballew | root=hd0,msdos1 |
| 23:50.18 | seb82 | okay |
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| 23:50.43 | seb82 | if you do a ls /boot/grub do you see a linux.mod? |
| 23:51.54 | philipballew | error, file not found |
| 23:52.12 | seb82 | and if you do ls / |
| 23:53.42 | philipballew | ./ ../ lost+found/ |
| 23:53.53 | seb82 | and if you do ls /.. |
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| 23:55.10 | philipballew | ./ ../ lost+found/ the same as before |
| 23:55.28 | seb82 | and if you do ls /../ ? |
| 23:55.51 | philipballew | same again |
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| 23:56.39 | philipballew | maybe i should reinstall |
| 23:57.16 | seb82 | you do that... make sure that you let the installer partition your harddrive... |
| 23:57.52 | philipballew | and not do it manually? |
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| 23:59.52 | seb82 | no not unless you wanna end up again witout a swap partition... |
