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| 00:12.16 | K1ng`` | can you check if there is a ssl error on this site: https://www.pherx.com/ https://pherx.com/ |
| 00:13.11 | tharkun | K1ng``: you can allways use a proxy to do just that or even Tor for the matter |
| 00:13.29 | K1ng`` | ok |
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| 00:23.11 | robin_sz | scratches head |
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| 00:24.08 | robin_sz | so libgdk-pixbuf was in lenny, and libgdk-pixbuf2 is in testting/wheezy .. and for those of us on stable/squeeze? now what? |
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| 00:26.55 | rypervenche | robin_sz: You can apt-pin |
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| 00:28.01 | robin_sz | trying to install mysql-workbench-gpl |
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| 00:28.08 | robin_sz | mysql-workbench-gpl depends on libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.21.6) |
| 00:28.39 | nvz | robin_sz: I think libgfcui-2.0-0c2a will satisfy calls to such |
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| 00:30.02 | robin_sz | nvz, and then just force an install with dpkg? |
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| 00:35.19 | nvz | robin_sz: the short version is mysql workbench doesnt work on debian |
| 00:35.28 | nvz | the long version is compile it from source |
| 00:36.56 | nvz | http://www.robo47.net/blog/193-Installing-Mysql-Workbench-5.2.11-from-source-on-Debian-6.0-Squeeze |
| 00:36.59 | nvz | looks painful |
| 00:37.00 | Mneumonic | can anyone recommend a program to mount ISOs like daemon tools and virtual clone driver in windows? |
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| 00:37.39 | nvz | Mneumonic: mount works nicely |
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| 00:37.51 | robin_sz | nvz, installing libcfui and a --force-depends seems to be OK |
| 00:37.58 | robin_sz | it runs so far ... |
| 00:38.11 | robin_sz | no doubt it will explode at some point though |
| 00:38.27 | rypervenche | Mneumonic: gcdemu I think it was called, or just cdemu. |
| 00:38.45 | rypervenche | Mneumonic: It's not in the repos though, nvm. |
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| 00:39.30 | nvz | ugh.. mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/cd.iso /path/to/mount/point |
| 00:39.47 | Mneumonic | is there a program gui for that? |
| 00:39.56 | nvz | yeah gnome-terminal |
| 00:40.01 | rypervenche | Mneumonic: furiusisomount |
| 00:40.23 | rypervenche | nvz: I prefer CLI too :P |
| 00:40.24 | Mneumonic | thanks |
| 00:40.32 | robin_sz | -o loop is awesome |
| 00:40.52 | nvz | so is unnecessary gui |
| 00:40.56 | nvz | apparently.. |
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| 00:41.54 | robin_sz | its a big selling point with ubuntu users |
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| 00:42.53 | nvz | blah.. I never understood why something that has no UI components needs a GUI.. like an irc client.. its all TEXT |
| 00:42.56 | Dulak | if the debian gnome looked as good as the lucid gnome I'd be on debian at home as well as on servers |
| 00:43.17 | robin_sz | gnome ... |
| 00:43.30 | robin_sz | is that the thing that helps you arrange your xterms? |
| 00:43.38 | Dulak | yes, I run gnome 2.3. And I like it. |
| 00:43.40 | zinx | Dulak: can't tell if trolling or just stupid |
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| 00:43.53 | robin_sz | and the point about servers is stupid .. no one runs a gui on servers |
| 00:44.03 | robin_sz | apart from Windows users |
| 00:44.26 | zinx | Dulak: how to make debian gnome look like ubuntu gnome: install ubuntu themes |
| 00:44.50 | Dulak | I run debian on the server, I would run it at home but ubuntu is much prettier. |
| 00:44.53 | robin_sz | shrug, does anyone actually care what it looks like? |
| 00:45.18 | zinx | robin_sz: yes |
| 00:45.21 | th0r | robin_sz: you know what they say about opinions.... |
| 00:45.35 | MaXim_ | robin_sz: Mac OS server has guis |
| 00:45.44 | Dulak | It's a font thing. The debian fonts don't sub-pixel render right or something. Everything is fuzzy, and window edges get a bluish tint. |
| 00:45.48 | zinx | th0r: mine are always right? |
| 00:45.52 | nvz | sometimes the ability to shut up is far more important than how pretty something is.. heh |
| 00:45.59 | robin_sz | MaXim_, I never had a server with a monitor attached, so wouldnt know |
| 00:46.00 | th0r | zinx: right |
| 00:46.01 | MaXim_ | Dulak: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 00:46.06 | zinx | Dulak: uhm, sounds like you have something misconfigured then |
| 00:46.17 | th0r | robin_sz: and you apparently never mastered X-forwarding |
| 00:46.24 | Dulak | Yeah, I had debian installed. It's fixed now though. |
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| 00:46.38 | robin_sz | th0r, and I have never ever needed anyting other than a cli on a server |
| 00:46.39 | rypervenche | Dulak: pebkac :P |
| 00:46.51 | zinx | Dulak: well, that answered my dilemma... def. trolling :P |
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| 00:48.05 | Dulak | I'm stating my opinion. Ubuntu cares about the out of box experience, debian doesn't. So I use debian on my servers and ubuntu on my workstations, and I leave the endless configuring to the new kids. |
| 00:48.17 | robin_sz | shrug |
| 00:48.31 | MaXim_ | gentoo is a good one |
| 00:48.51 | MaXim_ | had a lady friend who is still trying to set it up since friday night |
| 00:49.04 | robin_sz | well yeah, thats about standard |
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| 00:49.31 | nvz | ubuntu is more accurately someone's fubared debian install copied to a cd with bootcd |
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| 00:49.51 | Dulak | I remember when there was no X windows, and you worked on the console, like a real man. Doesn't mean I want to go back. |
| 00:49.59 | robin_sz | gentoo ... thats the thing that tries to compile itself |
| 00:50.08 | MaXim_ | you sound like a fossil Dulak :P |
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| 00:50.33 | th0r | Dulak: slackware 1.0 <smile> |
| 00:50.36 | robin_sz | im trying to remeber the first one I had with gui ... |
| 00:50.40 | robin_sz | Mandrake> |
| 00:50.41 | robin_sz | ? |
| 00:50.47 | robin_sz | something like that |
| 00:50.51 | MaXim_ | nah |
| 00:50.59 | MaXim_ | X and X guis predates linux |
| 00:51.07 | robin_sz | yes, I know |
| 00:51.09 | nvz | mandrake spent a lot of time on making GUI for everything |
| 00:51.18 | Dulak | th0r: I think my first was slack 2.3. Kernel 0.98.x or something close |
| 00:51.21 | MaXim_ | sun and bell labs had OPEN LOOK in the 1980s |
| 00:51.27 | robin_sz | nods |
| 00:51.35 | MaXim_ | and DEC had DECwindows based on motif/ cde |
| 00:51.42 | robin_sz | but prior to mandrake my unix and linux boxes had no gui |
| 00:51.50 | th0r | Dulak: back when linux was the SecondLife escape for real geeks |
| 00:51.52 | Dulak | Yes CDE was on solaris, and Xorg existed but almost nobody used X, it was just consoles. |
| 00:52.04 | robin_sz | istr mandrake was the first X install i had |
| 00:52.12 | MaXim_ | first linux i tried to use was red hat 5.2 |
| 00:52.26 | nvz | MaXim_: horrible wasnt it? heh |
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| 00:52.40 | Dulak | th0r: I hear these kids now bitching about documentation, and I just laugh. |
| 00:52.43 | robin_sz | I think I threw my RH5 box set the other day |
| 00:52.43 | MrFrood | still is just consoles for those of sound mind |
| 00:52.43 | MaXim_ | Xfree86 didnt support my video card |
| 00:52.50 | th0r | Dulak: ain't that the truth |
| 00:52.54 | MaXim_ | so dumped me to command line |
| 00:52.56 | MaXim_ | didnt know what to do :P |
| 00:53.22 | robin_sz | ah yes, I rememebr buying an S3 vid card just to try X on mandrake |
| 00:53.42 | nvz | MaXim_: ah, I bought it for $24, was in a store and the first I tried.. I got X to load but it still sucked |
| 00:53.45 | robin_sz | must be 12 yrs back |
| 00:54.00 | MaXim_ | i got a new pc though |
| 00:54.04 | MaXim_ | with ATI Rage Pro 128 |
| 00:54.11 | MaXim_ | 3.3.6 ran swell on it |
| 00:54.33 | robin_sz | oh well |
| 00:54.42 | Dulak | My first computer was a sun sparc station. $10k computer for a 15 year old kid because my uncle didn't want to learn how to configure sendmail. |
| 00:54.55 | MaXim_ | nice |
| 00:55.00 | robin_sz | heh |
| 00:55.01 | MaXim_ | i had a sparcstation IPX recently |
| 00:55.14 | robin_sz | mine was an IBM 5110 |
| 00:55.18 | robin_sz | running APL |
| 00:55.22 | MaXim_ | i think the power supply was busted so i donated it to the computer science club at uni |
| 00:55.40 | MaXim_ | aside from that i dont have a sun keyboard or mouse |
| 00:55.45 | robin_sz | wish I had kept that, would be a nice museum piece now |
| 00:56.11 | MaXim_ | lately been fiddling with a sun blade 1000 |
| 00:56.14 | MaXim_ | nice but slow |
| 00:56.24 | MaXim_ | and exotic expansion options |
| 00:56.25 | Dulak | I haven't been on a solaris box in a long time now. |
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| 00:57.30 | MaXim_ | there is no good reason to use those proprietary unixes |
| 00:57.37 | MaXim_ | too hard to install any decent software |
| 00:58.04 | MaXim_ | still deciding whether or not i should nuke solaris and put linux or BSD on it |
| 00:58.19 | MaXim_ | ive heard the sun graphics is not supported well on xorg |
| 00:58.43 | robin_sz | on a blade server? |
| 00:58.49 | MaXim_ | blade workstation |
| 00:59.04 | robin_sz | considers that concept |
| 00:59.33 | MaXim_ | the graphics is sun creator 3D which isnt even supported in opensolaris |
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| 00:59.43 | MaXim_ | and the disk controller is fibre channel |
| 00:59.54 | MaXim_ | no idea about the driver support in linux |
| 01:00.14 | robin_sz | put it in the basement and SSH to it |
| 01:00.15 | Dulak | Probably working but unmaintained for a long time. |
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| 01:00.39 | robin_sz | but just remember ... |
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| 01:01.09 | MaXim_ | the 36gb "10K" FC-AL drive is tiny and slow |
| 01:01.11 | robin_sz | ssh'ing to large, multiuser/multiprocessor boxes with external disk drives is the new way |
| 01:01.17 | robin_sz | using thin clients |
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| 01:01.42 | MaXim_ | its a good space heater though |
| 01:01.43 | robin_sz | its nothing like mainframes and terminals becaust that is the old way ;) |
| 01:02.00 | MaXim_ | i have had a few terminals |
| 01:02.07 | pfred1 | I am plugging my camera in and it isn't opening up automatically right now what can I do to mount it? |
| 01:02.10 | MaXim_ | got around to donating and throwing some out though |
| 01:02.20 | MaXim_ | only got one left |
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| 01:02.45 | deathwing | hi |
| 01:02.55 | robin_sz | pfred1, what did you imagine woudl open automatically? |
| 01:03.43 | pfred1 | robin_sz usually KDE throws up a wondow that lets me open up my file manager to the mount point |
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| 01:04.07 | robin_sz | ah, KDE, no clue. sorry |
| 01:04.27 | robin_sz | is it mounted? |
| 01:04.29 | MaXim_ | http://www.filibeto.org/sun/lib/hardware/sh/2.1.3/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Systems/SunBlade1000/component.left_open_zoom.html |
| 01:04.32 | robin_sz | try typing df |
| 01:04.40 | pfred1 | robin_sz mount isn' |
| 01:04.45 | pfred1 | robin_sz mount isn't showing it |
| 01:04.55 | pfred1 | though it is coming up in /var/log/messages |
| 01:05.23 | robin_sz | you could pastebin the log msg |
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| 01:05.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I am having a problem with terminator app on debian squeeze it just segfaults |
| 01:06.02 | deathwing | sometimes I don't have sound in Flash but video is ok, is there a way to fix this permanently? (Debian squeeze amd64) |
| 01:06.19 | MaXim_ | flash bug |
| 01:06.21 | pfred1 | robin_sz http://pastebin.com/jwcKLWEL |
| 01:06.21 | MaXim_ | upgrade flash |
| 01:06.27 | robin_sz | traditionally, Debian pops up a "do you wish to import photos from this device" dialog, but, over the last 3 or 4 years of asking, no one can tell me where it puts them or what program pops that up |
| 01:06.46 | MaXim_ | there is now adobe flash 11 beta for native amd64 |
| 01:06.48 | pfred1 | yeah it usually works |
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| 01:07.07 | pfred1 | so much so I never do it manually |
| 01:07.08 | MrRoy_ | Hi, I was told earlier today that I would be able to setup multiple display using xrandr if I left my xorg.conf file empty. When I run xrandr in a terminal it seems to detect only one monitor. |
| 01:07.36 | robin_sz | well, it is attached as sda |
| 01:07.44 | robin_sz | sda1 even |
| 01:08.00 | deathwing | MaXim_: I updated to last version yesterday, but today same error |
| 01:08.28 | robin_sz | I dunno, mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /path/to/where/i/want/it ?? |
| 01:08.35 | pfred1 | robin_sz there is something mounted in sda1 but it isn't my camera I am trying to umount it now |
| 01:08.53 | robin_sz | no ... no there isnt |
| 01:09.03 | robin_sz | nothing is "mounted in sda1" |
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| 01:09.11 | robin_sz | sda1 is a device |
| 01:09.16 | pfred1 | robin_sz then why am i seeing two files when i open that location up? |
| 01:09.21 | robin_sz | you mount devices |
| 01:09.24 | pfred1 | well /media/sda1 |
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| 01:09.36 | robin_sz | there you go |
| 01:09.45 | robin_sz | /dev/sda1 is the device |
| 01:10.15 | pfred1 | there is definately something wrong going on here |
| 01:10.39 | pfred1 | there shouldn't be anything in /media/sda1 but I am unable to umount it either |
| 01:10.45 | robin_sz | df will tell you what is mounted where |
| 01:10.48 | robin_sz | type df |
| 01:11.04 | pfred1 | nothing there |
| 01:11.12 | robin_sz | i dont believe you |
| 01:11.18 | pfred1 | mount tells the same information for your information |
| 01:11.21 | robin_sz | df produced no output? |
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| 01:11.29 | pfred1 | of course it produced output |
| 01:11.33 | robin_sz | and? |
| 01:11.33 | pfred1 | nothing germaine |
| 01:11.40 | pfred1 | no sd anything |
| 01:12.00 | robin_sz | well, mount /dev/sda1 somewhere then |
| 01:12.13 | robin_sz | mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /media/mycamera |
| 01:12.19 | pfred1 | I want ot know why i have junk oh wait a minute |
| 01:12.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | uhoh... |
| 01:12.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | iceweasel segfaults.. |
| 01:12.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | wth.. |
| 01:12.39 | robin_sz | you have junk becuase you stored two files there |
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| 01:12.58 | robin_sz | Eryn_1983_FL, remove it and install a proper version of firefox |
| 01:13.32 | pfred1 | robin_sz I didn't but some seem to be there somehow i am clearing them now |
| 01:13.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | like? |
| 01:13.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | from their webpage robin_sz " |
| 01:13.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ?? |
| 01:13.55 | robin_sz | yes |
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| 01:14.29 | robin_sz | I stuck with iceweasel for ages, but the problems you get from "unknown browser" and "this extension is not compatible with" etc ... |
| 01:14.34 | robin_sz | just to have a differen tname ... |
| 01:14.39 | pfred1 | well still no joy /media/sda1 is empty now and still nothing works |
| 01:14.44 | robin_sz | easier to install ff and be donw |
| 01:14.52 | robin_sz | pfred1, remove the dir as well |
| 01:15.25 | robin_sz | unplug camera ... plug back in again |
| 01:15.34 | MaXim_ | use google chrome |
| 01:15.48 | robin_sz | also a good option |
| 01:16.04 | pfred1 | udev or whatever handles auto hardware detectin is whacked |
| 01:16.18 | MaXim_ | time to let go of netscape |
| 01:16.26 | pfred1 | MaXim_ no it isn't |
| 01:16.41 | pfred1 | time for you to stop thinking you can make decisions for others |
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| 01:16.59 | MaXim_ | i made decisions? |
| 01:17.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | well it and terminator were sefautling i am concerend soemthing is wrong with debian perhaps. |
| 01:17.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | we'll see |
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| 01:18.22 | MaXim_ | Eryn_1983_FL: i had this problem once |
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| 01:18.31 | MaXim_ | it was due to dodgy .mozilla directory |
| 01:18.34 | MaXim_ | some corrupt files |
| 01:18.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 01:19.21 | yann2 | Hello! My laptop doesn't list "tsc" as available clock source, and uses hpet - though the CPU seems to support constant_tsc. Any idea why? |
| 01:19.26 | pfred1 | ah for flocks sake why isn't my camera being mounted? |
| 01:19.44 | robin_sz | pfred1, is it becasue you did not type the mount command? |
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| 01:19.51 | MaXim_ | Eryn_1983_FL: are you using scim? |
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| 01:20.01 | MrRoy_ | Hi, I was told earlier today that I would be able to setup multiple display using xrandr if I left my xorg.conf file empty. When I run xrandr in a terminal it seems to detect only one monitor. |
| 01:20.02 | pfred1 | robin_sz why should i have to type the mount command? |
| 01:20.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | scim?? |
| 01:20.14 | robin_sz | to make what you want to happen, happen |
| 01:20.15 | pfred1 | robin_sz 10 years I've never had to manually mount my camera |
| 01:20.24 | MaXim_ | IME for chinese / japanese / korean |
| 01:20.24 | pfred1 | robin_sz why is today so much different? |
| 01:20.41 | robin_sz | depends on what you want to acheive |
| 01:21.01 | robin_sz | I thught you wanted to mount your camera, appareently you dont, you want to fix your automounter |
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| 01:21.14 | pfred1 | robin_sz that would be a thought |
| 01:22.22 | robin_sz | I know how to mount your camera, sadly, I dont know how the automoutn stuff works, so I am unable to help |
| 01:22.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | robin_sz: so now i got the packe i see no install details do i just put in some directory? |
| 01:22.36 | robin_sz | Eryn_1983_FL, yes |
| 01:22.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | whcih one?? |
| 01:22.46 | robin_sz | whicehver |
| 01:22.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | /usr/bin/? |
| 01:23.00 | robin_sz | /home/eryn/firefox |
| 01:23.00 | MaXim_ | the orthodox location is /opt/firefox |
| 01:23.01 | terr | for a debian install what fiel system shoudl I use? |
| 01:23.19 | robin_sz | and drag a link to your desktop etc |
| 01:23.46 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:24.44 | robin_sz | really,? odd |
| 01:24.59 | MaXim_ | are you using amd64 or i386? |
| 01:25.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | amd64 |
| 01:25.07 | robin_sz | ah |
| 01:25.11 | MaXim_ | you probably downloaded firefox i386 |
| 01:25.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
| 01:25.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | there was only one. |
| 01:25.31 | MaXim_ | http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest-6.0/linux-x86_64/ |
| 01:25.54 | MaXim_ | yeah they hide the 64-bit builds |
| 01:25.58 | MaXim_ | no idea why |
| 01:26.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 01:26.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | they dont like us thats why |
| 01:26.22 | pfred1 | udev is such a POS I swear |
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| 01:28.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | yippie it worked |
| 01:28.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | now.. why did i need a browser... |
| 01:28.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i forgot... |
| 01:29.02 | MaXim_ | you could probably run 32-bit firefox |
| 01:29.05 | MaXim_ | if you installed ia32-libs |
| 01:29.16 | MaXim_ | but there is almost no reason why you should |
| 01:29.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
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| 01:33.23 | aussa | hi, why am I getting this error: Startpar: service(s) returned failure: gdomap... failed! ? |
| 01:33.41 | MaXim_ | bloody wine |
| 01:33.45 | MaXim_ | always taking over my associations |
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| 01:37.01 | jmarsden | aussa: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63614 may have some suggestions for you. |
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| 01:38.51 | MrRoy_ | jmarsden: I was hoping to see you, remember earlier when you told me to leave my xorg.conf empty, and that xrandr would take care of setting my 2 monitors correctly? |
| 01:39.20 | jmarsden | MrRoy_: I didn't even know you had two monitors... I just thought it would let you run X :) |
| 01:39.52 | jmarsden | Someone else suggested xrandr, I think. |
| 01:40.16 | MrRoy_ | jmarsden: Oh, yeah it was nvz. |
| 01:41.13 | MrRoy_ | Well, is it possible to configure two monitors with xrandr if xorg.conf is empty? |
| 01:42.01 | jmarsden | I'm not sure, I only have one monitor :) |
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| 01:43.38 | jmarsden | Looking back, you said: <MrRoy> I'm having "no screens found" error when I try to startx, yet I have a screen configured in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 01:44.01 | jmarsden | "A screen" is singular... and my suggestion worked for that case. Sorry if I misunderstood the real issue. |
| 01:45.09 | MrRoy_ | jmarsden: Oh, well by "a screen" I meant a "Section "Screen"" screen, lol |
| 01:45.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | GRRRRR |
| 01:45.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | it keeps crashing!!!! |
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| 01:52.50 | errorlevel | Is there a command to use to finish running the post-installation scripts? I was installing a sleu of packages with synaptic package manager, and before it was done setting up all the packages, X crashed. Now I'm worried I'm going to run into some packages that aren't set up or are only halfway installed. |
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| 01:54.09 | karlpinc | errorlevel: If you run "aptitude install" or "apt-get install" (I think, man apt-get) it should pick up where it left off. |
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| 01:54.42 | errorlevel | Okay. |
| 01:54.48 | terr | can someone tell me what realse etch was? |
| 01:55.08 | karlpinc | !releases |
| 01:55.08 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
| 01:55.10 | errorlevel | It was rather bothersome since I'm trying to run a test set up for another computer. :) |
| 01:55.21 | karlpinc | !tell terr about release history |
| 01:56.04 | karlpinc | errorlevel: I'm not an apt expert. It's slightly possible that you'd need to "aptitude reisntall" the one package it was working on when it died. But I think not. |
| 01:56.48 | mikemol | I'm trying to build the squid3 package with SSL support enabled, but it fails with a lintian error complaining about openssl being linked against GPL code. How can I get lintian to not complain (and thus allow the package build to finish)? |
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| 01:57.31 | terr | karlpinc: I read that etch was the last release which could be installed from floppy. I'm looking to go to the latest and I want an ext4 filesystem - am I in a catch-22 on that old box? |
| 01:58.24 | karlpinc | terr: Not at all. There are several options. See the install guide. pxeboot is an option, as is booting from a debian-live cd and installing from that. The latter's probably easier for a single install. |
| 01:58.44 | skyshadow | karl, you can install debian from within another install |
| 01:59.01 | mikemol | Actually, huh. Found it. |
| 01:59.12 | karlpinc | skyshadow: Yes, but it's more difficult if there's not anything installed. |
| 01:59.12 | terr | karlpinc: no cd on that old puppy. |
| 01:59.52 | terr | karlpinc: I was looking to boot from the fdd and get the disk formatted and then do a network install. |
| 01:59.53 | karlpinc | terr: You could install a minimal debian onto it's hard drive and just move the drive. |
| 02:00.38 | terr | karlpinc: that is what I inted to do but I was going to use the old box and later move the drive into my desktop. |
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| 02:01.03 | Dulak | It's worth hours of your time to work around but not $20 for a cdrom drive? You got some weird priorities. |
| 02:01.17 | karlpinc | terr: pxeboot is fun, but there's several steps and if you've not done it before it can be slow checking that you've done each step right. |
| 02:01.39 | terr | Dulak: I have cd drives here - but the machine won't boot from a cd. it will only boot from the hdd or fdd |
| 02:02.05 | karlpinc | terr: You've another linux box to work from? |
| 02:02.18 | Dulak | My 486 could boot cdrom, what kind of machine? |
| 02:02.25 | terr | karlpinc: ya... but its sarge and |
| 02:02.29 | terr | its broken |
| 02:02.29 | skyshadow | maybe bootstrap to cd with a floppy? |
| 02:02.43 | terr | Dulak: P1 200 mHz. |
| 02:02.44 | karlpinc | skyshadow: That's what I was thinking. Use syslinux. |
| 02:03.05 | terr | karlpinc: I can't even use syslinux on sarge. I looked. |
| 02:04.08 | Dulak | Interesting, the bios must be older, because by the time the 200mhz chips came out virtually everything was booting cd.... |
| 02:04.23 | karlpinc | terr: You're going to be a bit ram limited on that box. How much is in there? (It can be a learning experience to work with old boxes, but it's not really worth your time when you can get something lots newer for cheap off ebay.) |
| 02:04.25 | terr | Dulak: let me check |
| 02:05.36 | terr | karlpinc: its likely for 64 MB ram. I was just going to use it to run the drive and then rsync whats in my desktop to it and then move the drive over. I want to keep the desktop running untouched until I have the new system ready |
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| 02:06.06 | karlpinc | terr: Definately poke about the bios per Dulak's suggestion. |
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| 02:06.52 | terr | karlpinc: pxeboot looks fine. I should be able to get a fdd with pxeboot going and then I can use tftp to install via the nic |
| 02:07.11 | Dulak | good old sarge, still chuggin. sarge make me some killer money back in the day. |
| 02:07.16 | karlpinc | terr: You don't need a fdd for pxeboot. |
| 02:07.44 | terr | karlpinc: I need the fdd to get something running in it so it can see the network |
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| 02:07.50 | Dulak | you do for the age of his nic |
| 02:08.02 | karlpinc | terr: The nic does pxeboot itself. |
| 02:08.17 | Dulak | his nic will not have pxeboot, unless it's a lot newer than the machine |
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| 02:08.39 | Dulak | nics didn't come with pxe for a very long time because ram was so expensive for like 12 years |
| 02:09.12 | kittonian | is anyone around that knows tc and iptables really well? i need some serious help with traffic shaping. i already have a script but it's not doing what i need. pastebin at http://pastebin.com/fNQA816u - i am trying to configure this so that the VOIP traffic, when it occurs, will steal all the other bandwidth away to do what it needs to do (or at least as much as it needs). once the call ends, normal bandwidth should resume |
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| 02:09.54 | MrRoy_ | Is it normal I don't have the right to create folders in my home folder? |
| 02:10.15 | MrRoy_ | files and folders* |
| 02:10.39 | Dulak | MrRoy: yes what does 'ls -lad /home/username' show as the perms? |
| 02:11.05 | karlpinc | kittonian: I prefer to work with something like ferm that sits on top of iptables. Doing what you want can be very tricky -- especially for outbound links. |
| 02:11.06 | Dulak | MrRoy_: I meant no actually, not normal |
| 02:11.08 | terr | Dulak: this machine will not boot from a nic. sad. I found it will boot from a cd. Now I need to find a working cd. Should be one here. |
| 02:11.18 | karlpinc | kittonian: (Not that my comment helps.) |
| 02:11.25 | MrRoy_ | Dulak: drwxr-xr-x 34 user user 4096 Sep 17 21:18 /home/use |
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| 02:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: Actually, nics didn't routinely pxe until they started being integrated into the motherboard and it was made part of the BIOS. Also took about that long to agree on the PXE standard. |
| 02:12.16 | kittonian | karlpinc: appreciated but as i'm almost there with my rules and have been working on this for over 3 days straight i really want to get this working instead of starting over with something else |
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| 02:12.40 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: You're right that a standard ISA card might have the socket for the pxe rom, but probably doesn't have the rom. |
| 02:12.50 | Dulak | jhutchins_lt: yes before pxe you could buy a netboot rom for various nics but it was crazy expensive from the ram. |
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| 02:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: Not so much expensive as damned hard to find iirc. Unless you had a burner yourself. |
| 02:13.54 | Dulak | MrRoy_: what does mount show for that partition? is it mounted rw or ro? |
| 02:15.20 | MrRoy_ | Dulak: /dev/sda5 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 02:16.16 | Dulak | MrRoy_: ok, how about 'lsattr -d /home/username' |
| 02:16.30 | kittonian | I've already got all the proper packet marking completing and everything is all prioritized. The only issue left is how to make the higher priority packets steal/throttle the bandwidth of lower priority packets |
| 02:16.43 | kittonian | *completed |
| 02:16.44 | MrRoy_ | Dulak: ------------------- /home/user |
| 02:17.14 | Dulak | MrRoy_: nifty. no idea what's wrong, that all looks good |
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| 02:18.13 | MrRoy_ | Dulak: hmm, if I try to create a file/folder with my file manager, the option is greyed out, and when I try to save anything it says there's an error |
| 02:18.35 | Dulak | kittonian: you make buckets. 2 buckets. one for normal traffic, and one for high priority traffic. You make the normal one inherit from the high priority one, you place the market packets into the bucket. |
| 02:18.59 | Dulak | MrRoy_: boot single user and run fsck on that partition |
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| 02:19.37 | kittonian | Dulak: sounds great but maybe i'm missing how to accomplish that. here's a current pastebin of the script. http://pastebin.com/jPTiwcG9 line 145 begins the tc stuff |
| 02:19.53 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: Yeah or shutdown -Fr now |
| 02:19.58 | jasonsmr | hello channel |
| 02:20.04 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: That'll run a system fsck. |
| 02:20.15 | Dulak | kittonian: I don't fix that stuff for free, was just giving you some hints. You're gonna have to do some heavy reading to get it right. |
| 02:20.32 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: For further diagnostics use the console first, not the GUI. Establish what works in the console first. |
| 02:20.37 | kittonian | Dulak: I need more than 2 buckets. i need a hierarchy of buckets so that the most important one will steal from everything below |
| 02:20.47 | Dulak | kittonian: or alternately use something besides bare iptables and tc, something that is easier. |
| 02:20.50 | kittonian | Dulak: great, how much to get this solved? |
| 02:21.05 | Dulak | kittonian: $125/hr |
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| 02:21.14 | kittonian | how many hours to solve it from where i'm at now? |
| 02:21.17 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: Alright, well I'll shutdown -Fr now. |
| 02:21.22 | Dulak | probably an hour |
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| 02:21.44 | jasonsmr | hello again, I was looking at getting help with uboot if someone could help me |
| 02:21.49 | jasonsmr | or kexec |
| 02:22.26 | jasonsmr | I have a embeded device that I want to have boot from a hard drive that the device is not set up to boot from automaticaly, |
| 02:22.48 | jasonsmr | the hard drive is a microdrive that the device can * read and write to of course |
| 02:23.06 | jasonsmr | I was told uboot was the way to go for automatic booting? |
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| 02:23.30 | jasonsmr | anyone know this? and can confirm or otherwise? |
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| 02:26.48 | kittonian | Dulak: btw, i've already got HTB setup for everything. it's not stealing the bandwidth |
| 02:26.54 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt, Dulak: After rebooting, I think the problem might actually be the rights on the folder I was saving to, since it works everywhere else. |
| 02:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: x? |
| 02:27.39 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: ? |
| 02:27.48 | Dulak | MrRoy_: you said home folder, that's what I had you check perms on. What does 'ls -lad /path/to/folder' show? |
| 02:29.15 | MrRoy_ | Dulak: I thought it was the home folder, I didn't notice I was in the same folder I was trying to create a file that I was trying to download to; drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 17 20:41 /home/user/Downloads |
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| 02:30.14 | Dulak | MrRoy_: yeah they are owned by root. You need to chown that folder to username:usergroup as root to fix it. replace name and group with the appropriate ones for your system |
| 02:31.07 | Dulak | kittonian: you got a lot going on at home, eh? |
| 02:31.38 | kittonian | Dulak: not really, but i have this new vonage system and various network gear that i need access to |
| 02:32.58 | Dulak | kittonian: you have more ports open on that firewall than any 3 production servers of mine. It's just more than I expected for a homesetup |
| 02:33.37 | kittonian | there are things i need remote access to, and various pieces of gear i use that need to communicate |
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| 02:33.51 | MrRoy_ | Dulak: Worked, thanks |
| 02:34.25 | kittonian | but regardless of that, everything else already works perfectly. i am only concerned with the issue at hand, which is ensuring that my priorities will take over any bandwidth they need in the order they are marked |
| 02:34.59 | Dulak | kittonian: I think you need to reverse your queues, it looks like you are inheriting backwards from how it should be |
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| 02:36.12 | kittonian | are you saying that the rules need to be in order from least important to most important instead of the opposite which is how i have it now OR are you saying that higher numbers receive higher priority and thus my most important packets should be marked with the highest number? |
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| 02:37.10 | Dulak | kittonian: it looks like you have the highest priority traffic in the lowest queue. I'm just comparing to my own setup which is much simpler |
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| 02:38.25 | kittonian | Dulak: can you reference which line(s) you are referring to because if it's that simple it'll make my night |
| 02:38.56 | Dulak | kittonian: 261 - 265 |
| 02:39.37 | Dulak | kittonian: 253-257 |
| 02:39.59 | kittonian | Dulak: so you're saying that 1:15 should be first in that section followed by 1:14 and so on? |
| 02:40.17 | Dulak | kittonian: that's how I have it, not sure if the order matters |
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| 02:47.46 | kittonian | Dulak: ok they are now reversed. do you see anything else i'm missing? |
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| 02:50.22 | jaggz | where do I change the bash-tab-completion mode (to the mode which iterrates through files/directories) |
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| 02:53.50 | LordDeath | is there an easy way to monitor the cpu and memory usage in an graphical diagram? |
| 02:54.08 | MrRoy_ | If I have a list of packages in aptitude -f install I don't want to install, how do I remove them from this list? |
| 02:54.18 | centHOGG | in gnome yeah |
| 02:55.48 | Arafangion | LordDeath: Many ways. gkrellm's one way, but there are many other tools. |
| 02:56.11 | Arafangion | LordDeath: Most desktop environments let you add a little monitor to the panel. |
| 02:56.39 | LordDeath | I don't have a desktop here ^^ |
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| 02:57.02 | Arafangion | LordDeath: Then probably something like gkrellm. |
| 02:57.09 | LordDeath | rrdtool seems to be a very powerful tool |
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| 02:57.44 | karlpinc | LordDeath: If you install, say, cacti I think you get that monitored by default. Sounds a bit like overkill though. |
| 02:58.35 | Arafangion | LordDeath: rrdtool looks good, but if you're after something simpler, then gkrellm. :) |
| 02:58.56 | LordDeath | ok, noted |
| 02:59.24 | LordDeath | after I got some sleep I will have a closer look at rrdtool, gkrellm and cacti :) |
| 02:59.37 | Arafangion | LordDeath: It really depends on what you need - rrdtool and gkrellm are completely different. |
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| 03:00.48 | LordDeath | I am just looking for a way to see charts like this in my browser: http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/~dominik/traffic_h.png |
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| 03:01.24 | LordDeath | charts about traffic, cpu load and memory usage |
| 03:01.41 | LordDeath | because I am only running a little vserver to play with |
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| 03:05.08 | MaXim_ | mrtg will do that for you |
| 03:05.12 | MaXim_ | or cacti |
| 03:05.26 | MaXim_ | oh nvm |
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| 03:21.08 | deathwing | bspatch: Corrupt patch on memcpy-10.3.162.29.bsdiff downloaded from bugs.adobe.com, anyone got the correct patch? |
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| 03:21.18 | deathwing | for Flash no sound bug |
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| 03:23.27 | sanduz2 | anyone have an approximate time as to when Debian CUT will come out? |
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| 03:41.34 | kingsley | Why would the "wmctrl" command work when it's typed at the command line, but fail when it's run from a startup script? |
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| 03:42.23 | dvs | kingsley: the PATH is not set? |
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| 03:42.50 | kingsley | dvs: That's a good idea. I'll check it out. |
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| 03:46.24 | kingsley | dvs: Unfortunately, hard coding wmctrl's path didn't fix it. |
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| 03:47.32 | sanduz2 | anyone have the slightest idea when debian cut might come out? |
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| 03:49.53 | somiaj | sanduz2: debian prefers to release things when they are ready. |
| 03:50.28 | MaXim_ | i've been using testing for years |
| 03:50.32 | sanduz2 | somiaj, understood. but is it something theyve been actively working on? do they plan to release it in a few months or a few years? |
| 03:50.38 | MaXim_ | i don't see the big deal about CUT? |
| 03:50.41 | sanduz2 | i cant find much info other than rumors |
| 03:51.18 | sanduz2 | MaXim_, it sounds nice to me because its not supposed to break on updates like testing can occasionally do |
| 03:52.06 | somiaj | sanduz2: I think there is still some time, I don't expect it this year. |
| 03:52.17 | sanduz2 | somiaj, i see. thank you |
| 03:53.52 | somiaj | MaXim_: Its snapshots of testing with a small delay in release to test upgrades and avoid some of the major pitfalls of testing. Plus the snapshots give something that can get security updates. |
| 03:54.28 | MaXim_ | ic |
| 03:54.31 | edwinsage_detach | apt-get is complaining about broken packages and won't let me install software until I remove the offending package; however I am completely content with the functionality of my "broken" package. How do I get apt-get/synaptic/Debian in general to install packages again? |
| 03:54.34 | MaXim_ | guess I enver thought about that |
| 03:54.49 | sanduz2 | for what its worth, i am a big fan of the Debian CUT idea and i eagerly await its release :) |
| 03:55.08 | somiaj | MaXim_: look up debian cut. I think they are wanting around a month per cycle so its not constntally changing. |
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| 04:01.17 | itsnotabigtruck | yo, anyone know if there's any library/program for linux that can encrypt using an ecdh public key to some standard format (like CMS or OpenPGP) |
| 04:01.50 | yagoo | itsnotabigtruck, openpgp uses pgp |
| 04:02.01 | itsnotabigtruck | right, but gpg doesn't have ecc yet |
| 04:02.07 | itsnotabigtruck | and i have no idea when 2.1 is going to come out |
| 04:02.17 | itsnotabigtruck | though trying to build gpg 2.1 is an option |
| 04:02.24 | itsnotabigtruck | (the beta version that is) |
| 04:04.19 | yagoo | itsnotabigtruck, http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gcrypt-devel/2010-September/001707.html |
| 04:04.23 | yagoo | "GnuPG has now full ECC support (ECDSA, ECDH)" |
| 04:04.25 | yagoo | LOL |
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| 04:05.58 | itsnotabigtruck | yagoo: it looks like that was Andrey Jivsov announcing his branch of gpg that added that, i think that's been merged since |
| 04:06.03 | itsnotabigtruck | but it sounds like gpg 2.1 is my best bet |
| 04:06.11 | yagoo | itsnotabigtruck, #gnupg |
| 04:07.17 | itsnotabigtruck | yagoo: yeah yeah, though in #gnupg they probably wouldn't recommend something other than gpg; anyway, it seems like it might be a good idea to just use tried and true rsa instead of trying to be cutting edge with ecc |
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| 04:08.39 | yagoo | so he asks a question, now is afraid to follow through with a solution. What a waste of time. |
| 04:08.58 | yagoo | coward. |
| 04:10.09 | itsnotabigtruck | yagoo: >_> i was just hoping that there might be a lightweight library that could do it, because i ruled out the obvious options |
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| 04:10.29 | itsnotabigtruck | because e.g. openssl just gives you an error message if you try it |
| 04:10.37 | yagoo | lol |
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| 04:10.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but anyway, thanks for checking! |
| 04:10.45 | yagoo | he can't program either.. not my fault! |
| 04:11.21 | yagoo | itsnotabigtruck, you have no idea how encryption works.. the way you ask about public key encryption makes no sense. I don't need to say more.. |
| 04:11.44 | itsnotabigtruck | yagoo: hmm? the idea is, say I have an ECC key, and i want to encrypt something for the holder of the ECC key |
| 04:12.21 | itsnotabigtruck | now with RSA, you'd generate a key and wrap it (rsa encryption), with ECC you instead do a static-ephemeral key agreement |
| 04:12.45 | itsnotabigtruck | the standardized formats for storing an encrypted file are complicated and i'd rather not do it all homebrew, so it's much easier to use a battle-tested library for it |
| 04:13.01 | sylecn | anyone know how to connect a bluetooth mouse? 'hcitool scan' can see the device, but how do I pair up/connect the mouse? Is hid2hci necessary? |
| 04:13.10 | itsnotabigtruck | sylecn: hmm |
| 04:13.47 | itsnotabigtruck | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth#Pairing |
| 04:13.50 | itsnotabigtruck | try bluez-simple-agent |
| 04:14.11 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're using gnome there's probably a nice gui for it though |
| 04:14.58 | yagoo | itsnotabigtruck, you're a noob.. the support for your question has been going on for more than a year.. do more research and join a Gnupg mailinglist |
| 04:15.17 | yagoo | no need to dangle around with terms you haven't research enough into.. |
| 04:15.58 | itsnotabigtruck | sheesh, someone hasn't had their coffee /shrug |
| 04:16.46 | sylecn | itsnotabigtruck: bluez-simple-agent is not in debian bluez, there is a bluetooth-agent, but when I run it, it says "Pincode request for device XXX, Agent has been released" |
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| 04:17.39 | yagoo | and fyi pgp is not pki |
| 04:18.10 | itsnotabigtruck | sylecn: /usr/bin/bluez-simple-agent < it's in package 'bluez' according to packages.debian.org |
| 04:18.13 | itsnotabigtruck | you sure it isn't there? |
| 04:18.31 | sylecn | itsnotabigtruck: is it in squeeze? |
| 04:18.54 | itsnotabigtruck | sylecn: nyet, there's our answer |
| 04:18.59 | itsnotabigtruck | in squeeze, there is a /usr/share/doc/bluez/examples/simple-agent |
| 04:19.07 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if that's an example program or something else |
| 04:19.34 | itsnotabigtruck | well...you could always pin it...there's likely another way though |
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| 04:22.15 | n-iCe | how can I know if Debian is not detecting my two proccesors? |
| 04:22.25 | centHOGG | cat proc |
| 04:22.37 | wols | n-iCe: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:23.29 | n-iCe | Will a 32 bits detect 4GB of ram? |
| 04:23.42 | centHOGG | no |
| 04:23.46 | n-iCe | holly |
| 04:23.51 | centHOGG | as far as i know |
| 04:23.52 | wols | n-iCe: depends on your videocard. |
| 04:23.52 | somiaj | n-iCe: there are kernels out there that will, look for -pae or -bigmem kernels |
| 04:23.54 | n-iCe | that's why, says I have only 2GB |
| 04:24.00 | centHOGG | yup |
| 04:24.04 | n-iCe | and seems to be showing just 1 proccesor |
| 04:24.08 | n-iCe | so mean is not USING THEM?! |
| 04:24.11 | centHOGG | you could try 64 to verify the hw |
| 04:24.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got an issue with python keybinder and I was wonderin is there a way to backport a new version or install the old one? |
| 04:24.16 | wols | n-iCe: are you running a -486 kernel? |
| 04:24.19 | somiaj | n-iCe: standard 32bit kernels can have up to a little over 3gigs. I'd check your bios to see that |
| 04:24.19 | n-iCe | yes |
| 04:24.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | it seems to be sefault my terminator terminal |
| 04:24.29 | n-iCe | 3.0.0-1-486 |
| 04:24.30 | wols | n-iCe: that's why. install a 696 pae kernel |
| 04:24.39 | MaXim_ | 486 kernel >_> |
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| 04:24.43 | wols | *686 |
| 04:24.46 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're running 4 gigs of ram, amd64 is the safe bet anyway |
| 04:24.51 | n-iCe | oh |
| 04:24.54 | itsnotabigtruck | also that makes things easy if you decide to go to 6 or 8 gigs |
| 04:24.57 | n-iCe | clean install then? |
| 04:25.09 | wols | Eryn_1983_FL: new version of python? |
| 04:25.12 | itsnotabigtruck | you can change to the bigmem/pae kernel without doing a clean install |
| 04:25.17 | itsnotabigtruck | if you want to change to amd64 that's a reinstall |
| 04:25.19 | somiaj | n-iCe: you can just install a new kernel, your binaries won't need to change. |
| 04:25.20 | n-iCe | is it difficult? |
| 04:25.27 | n-iCe | dpkg kernel |
| 04:25.31 | wols | n-iCe: you can do a reinstall but you don't have to. 686 pae kernel will solve both your problems |
| 04:25.35 | itsnotabigtruck | nope, you just apt-get the new one, reboot, and apt-get remove the old one |
| 04:25.51 | somiaj | itsnotabigtruck: you can install a 64 bit kernel on a 32bit system and it will work just fine and the binarys stay 32bit (provided his processor is 64 bit) |
| 04:26.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am not sure |
| 04:26.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i will ike it to ya once i get firefox back up |
| 04:26.11 | itsnotabigtruck | somiaj: doesn't debian consider them totally different architectures |
| 04:26.17 | n-iCe | you guys the packagname? |
| 04:26.24 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: just dig around in aptitude |
| 04:26.30 | n-iCe | wait wait |
| 04:26.31 | wols | n-iCe: what is the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:26.32 | itsnotabigtruck | you're looking for something like linux-image-686 |
| 04:26.33 | n-iCe | I am confused now |
| 04:26.40 | wols | ,versions linux-image-686-pae |
| 04:26.42 | judd | Package linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.0.0+39; wheezy: 3.0.0+39 |
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| 04:26.52 | n-iCe | I think a clean install will be better, right? |
| 04:26.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | this bug |
| 04:26.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593371 |
| 04:27.04 | somiaj | itsnotabigtruck: this is just a kernel....his arch is still 32bit and he only has access to 32bit binarys and libaries. But they are run though the 64bit emulation mode so you get better addressing access and the likes |
| 04:27.14 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: it's unnecessary for just changing kernels, switching kernels is super easy on debian |
| 04:27.25 | wols | n-iCe: apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem IF your apt-get is set up correctly |
| 04:27.27 | itsnotabigtruck | somiaj: right but apt considers amd64 and x86 two different worlds |
| 04:27.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | its the 2.2.2 version |
| 04:27.39 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: which distro are you on |
| 04:27.44 | itsnotabigtruck | squeeze/testing/sid/etc. |
| 04:27.49 | n-iCe | debian testing 32bits |
| 04:28.04 | wols | n-iCe: no it won't be better. you needw only to reinstall if you want to run amd64. but that's not necessary |
| 04:28.19 | wols | n-iCe: you shouldn't run testing |
| 04:28.23 | n-iCe | will not be better amd64 in my machine? |
| 04:28.35 | wols | n-iCe: please reinstall and install debian stable this time |
| 04:28.38 | n-iCe | wols: my buil-in laptop mic does not work in stable |
| 04:28.45 | itsnotabigtruck | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kernel/linux-image-686-pae you want that |
| 04:28.49 | wols | then use a backport of the kernel |
| 04:28.50 | n-iCe | we tried everything, lot of guys helped me here, and googled a lot |
| 04:29.11 | n-iCe | I am downloading linux-image-686-bigmem already |
| 04:29.26 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: so just do sudo apt-get install linux-image-686-pae, then reboot onto the new kernel |
| 04:29.33 | wols | ,versions linux-image-686-bigmem |
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| 04:29.35 | judd | Package linux-image-686-bigmem on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.0.0+39; wheezy: 3.0.0+39 |
| 04:29.38 | itsnotabigtruck | then you can get rid of the old linux-image-486 or whatever you have |
| 04:29.41 | n-iCe | linux-image-686-bigmem or linux-image-686-pae |
| 04:29.52 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: pae |
| 04:29.52 | n-iCe | oh wait |
| 04:29.53 | itsnotabigtruck | but either works |
| 04:29.54 | n-iCe | The following NEW packages will be installed: firmware-linux-free linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae linux-image-686-bigmem linux-image-686-pae |
| 04:29.55 | wols | n-iCe: that's the pae. bigmem is the wrong one for you |
| 04:29.56 | itsnotabigtruck | they renamed it |
| 04:30.06 | itsnotabigtruck | wols: bigmem just depends on pae |
| 04:30.08 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 04:30.11 | itsnotabigtruck | same result either way |
| 04:30.15 | n-iCe | who should I follow |
| 04:30.24 | n-iCe | yeah wols both are gonna be installed |
| 04:30.32 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: you can go either way |
| 04:30.40 | itsnotabigtruck | if you do bigmem you have one extra dummy package |
| 04:30.43 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the only difference |
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| 04:30.47 | wols | n-iCe: because you have to ask constantly like this "I am confused" "who should I follow", testing is wrong for you. When you run testing you are expected to know that yourself |
| 04:31.11 | wols | ,versions python-keybinder |
| 04:31.12 | judd | Package python-keybinder on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.2-2; sid: 0.2.2-3; wheezy: 0.2.2-3 |
| 04:31.22 | n-iCe | wols: don't get mad, just looking for the correct info, I need testing I use skype a lot because I am really far away from my family |
| 04:31.26 | n-iCe | thanks |
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| 04:31.37 | n-iCe | installed, will reboot |
| 04:31.54 | wols | n-iCe: I am not mad. you just won't be happy with your choice since testing will break a lot |
| 04:32.10 | centHOGG | truth |
| 04:32.14 | n-iCe | so just after reboot I need to uninstall linux-image-486 linux-image-3.0.0-1-486 and linux-headers-3.0.0-1-486, right? |
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| 04:32.31 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: yup |
| 04:32.37 | wols | Eryn_1983_FL: just backport it |
| 04:32.53 | Dagger3 | does testing really break a lot? breakage is supposed to happen on unstable |
| 04:32.56 | itsnotabigtruck | wols: testing isn't that bad /shrug |
| 04:33.03 | itsnotabigtruck | you do have to be a little vigilant |
| 04:33.14 | n-iCe | Dagger3: everything has been alright in testing here |
| 04:33.16 | wols | Dagger3: yes it does. it breaks less often but the breakage is usually worse and for longer then |
| 04:33.27 | itsnotabigtruck | like there was an update to sudo a couple weeks ago where you had to manually merge your /etc/sudoers or your path would be screwed up |
| 04:33.28 | n-iCe | rebooting! |
| 04:34.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 04:34.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | well firfox is not crash when i try to open the options.. |
| 04:34.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | something has to be screwed up serously |
| 04:34.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | now |
| 04:36.17 | Dagger3 | manually merging config files I can manage... config file changes have always sucked, even in oldstable->stable upgrades (and that's why we have /etc/sudoers.d/ anyway) |
| 04:36.31 | Dagger3 | it's things like "oh, now X doesn't work" that's an issue |
| 04:36.49 | itsnotabigtruck | http://dnsviz.net/d/endno.de/dnssec/?rr=all&doe=on&a=all&ds=all&ta=.&tk= yay, i am teh secure |
| 04:37.04 | itsnotabigtruck | Dagger3: true...true. i usually only use debian on servers anyway |
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| 04:37.11 | n-iCe | done :D |
| 04:37.15 | n-iCe | why was that kernel installed? |
| 04:37.16 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a little bit too vanilla for a desktop |
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| 04:37.27 | itsnotabigtruck | n-iCe: yay, does it see all your ram now? |
| 04:37.53 | n-iCe | Host 'debian', running Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae - Cpu0: Intel 800 MHz Cpu1: Intel 800 MHz; Up: 3 min; Users: 4; Load: 0.45; Free: [Mem: 3463/3917 Mio] [Swap: 5683/5683 Mio] [/: 265402/294859 Mio]; Vpenis: 224.2 cm; |
| 04:37.57 | n-iCe | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 04:37.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | this sucks |
| 04:38.00 | n-iCe | laughs |
| 04:38.03 | n-iCe | thanks guys |
| 04:38.15 | itsnotabigtruck | Eryn_1983_FL: for the firefox problem, you could try nuking your profile |
| 04:38.30 | itsnotabigtruck | it's probably in ~/.firefox or something (do an ls -la ~/ and see if anything catches your eye) |
| 04:38.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | delete my profile from the .mozilla folder? |
| 04:38.47 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, note that this will eliminate your extensions and history |
| 04:38.51 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe just move it out of the way |
| 04:38.55 | itsnotabigtruck | so you can move it back later |
| 04:39.42 | Dagger3 | Eryn_1983_FL: incidentally, I had that problem too. does it crash when you open the Downloads folder? |
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| 04:40.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | no workie |
| 04:40.36 | Dagger3 | er, Firefox's Download Manager rather |
| 04:40.44 | Dagger3 | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, I normally only use Debian (stable) on servers too, but I wanted something a bit less... hilariously out of date for a desktop |
| 04:41.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | its the options i can't open |
| 04:41.47 | Dagger3 | unfortunately Linux/X can't do multiple monitors over multiple GPUs, so back to Windows I go :/ |
| 04:42.06 | itsnotabigtruck | it can't? really? |
| 04:42.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/QrRdyTv6 |
| 04:43.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | Dagger3: what you trying to do |
| 04:43.13 | Dagger3 | itsnotabigtruck: well, you have a choice between using xrandr (can't drag windows between the GPUs) or Xinerama (disables all 2D acceleration) |
| 04:43.22 | itsnotabigtruck | Eryn_1983_FL: unfortunately i don't think that report has much useful info |
| 04:43.38 | Dagger3 | so you can do it, but it sucks |
| 04:43.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | *cries |
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| 04:44.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | Dagger is there somereason you can't use two machines with one gpu? |
| 04:44.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | and use synergy to go between the m? |
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| 04:45.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | but you want bet able to move the windows from pc to pc though |
| 04:45.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | --I think I am reinstall iceweasel |
| 04:45.39 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 04:45.50 | Dagger3 | I still won't be able to drag windows between monitors then |
| 04:46.07 | Dagger3 | and I'd be running a second machine just to use a third monitor, which is silly |
| 04:46.48 | itsnotabigtruck | Dagger3: get a shinier video card? |
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| 04:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a number of 'em now that have two dvi's and an html, and setups like that |
| 04:47.42 | itsnotabigtruck | also, maybe nvidia sli might be an option? |
| 04:48.04 | Dagger3 | I need a less shiny card; the current generation of cards only have one digital to analogue converter on each card, and I have two VGA monitors |
| 04:48.05 | wols | itsnotabigtruck: but no nvidia, no matter how many outputs, can access >2 monitors at the same time |
| 04:48.35 | itsnotabigtruck | Dagger3: looks like you need shinier monitors too then :p |
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| 04:48.44 | itsnotabigtruck | wols: hmm, i haven't experimented with many-monitor setups |
| 04:48.56 | Dagger3 | and I don't think using multiple GPUs is going to help my "X can't handle multiple GPUs" problem |
| 04:48.57 | itsnotabigtruck | might a 2-way sli with cheap cards work though? |
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| 04:49.08 | itsnotabigtruck | Dagger3: right but sli turns 2 gpus into one virtual gpu |
| 04:49.25 | itsnotabigtruck | your problem is that the system sees the two gpus as totally distinct entities, because they are |
| 04:50.11 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, it looks like nvidia triple monitor is a no go |
| 04:50.13 | itsnotabigtruck | with sli |
| 04:50.25 | itsnotabigtruck | well, there's always ati, that doesn't solve your analog output problem |
| 04:50.32 | itsnotabigtruck | but it does get you 3 outputs |
| 04:50.38 | Dagger3 | my problem is that xrandr can't handle multiple GPUs. Windows works just fine with this setup |
| 04:53.17 | Dagger3 | I guess I'll end up going the shinier monitor route (I have an ATI 6850, which can do VGA+DVI+DP+HDMI simultaneously, but can't do two VGA outputs), but shinier monitor will probably also be widescreen monitor, and I'm running out of room on the desk |
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| 04:53.45 | Dagger3 | and buying new hardware because the software sucks, sucks :/ |
| 04:53.57 | itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, i hate how narrowscreen monitors have gone extinct |
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| 04:55.50 | somiaj | Dagger3: have you looked into Xinerama it can handel multiple cards |
| 04:56.22 | Dagger3 | somiaj: yup, it disables 2d hardware acceleration :/ |
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| 04:58.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i firgued it out peeps no sun=java installed.... |
| 04:59.37 | MrFrood | Eryn_1983_FL: dont you mean oracle jave :P |
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| 05:03.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | its sun=java in the repo.. |
| 05:03.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | freaking oracle ugh |
| 05:03.21 | cnz | im trying to install the package that contains libQtXml.so but I can't seem to find it |
| 05:03.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | spits on the floor |
| 05:03.38 | cnz | any ideas? |
| 05:03.41 | somiaj | cnz: use apt-file or packages.debian.org to search for that file |
| 05:04.01 | somiaj | by guess is something like libqtxml or libqt4-xml |
| 05:04.20 | somiaj | cnz: libqt4-xml - Qt 4 XML module |
| 05:04.34 | MrFrood | Eryn_1983_FL: it gets worse oracle changed the license so no more updates in the repo |
| 05:04.57 | cnz | somiaj: thanks |
| 05:06.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | stomach hurls |
| 05:06.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i guess thats the end of java on linux eh? |
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| 05:07.55 | cnz | somiaj: does qt4-dev-tools install all the needed libs for qt that a program would require |
| 05:08.29 | MrFrood | Eryn_1983_FL: http://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/sylvestre/2011/08/26/sun_java6_packages_removed_from_debian_u |
| 05:09.48 | MaXim_ | OpenJDK works properly for the most part |
| 05:10.01 | MaXim_ | in fact it is the sun JDK that I've encountered bugs in |
| 05:10.13 | MrFrood | MaXim_: no it does not |
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| 05:11.20 | MrFrood | MaXim_: it can get very confused about pot & get if nothing else, I've also heard it has font issues |
| 05:11.38 | MrFrood | s/pot/post |
| 05:11.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | so how will this affect java apps down the line in linux distros? |
| 05:12.26 | MaXim_ | if you really require it, download the Oracle JDK from the website |
| 05:12.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:12.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | now i understand |
| 05:12.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | its jut wont be in the repo anymore |
| 05:12.53 | somiaj | cnz: no it only installs the libs that its dependent on. |
| 05:13.08 | MaXim_ | i've seen my friends try to install it on gentoo |
| 05:13.20 | MrFrood | well maybe some of the OpenJDK bugs get fixed or we all start doing what windows users do and get our java direct from oracle |
| 05:13.27 | MaXim_ | portage tells them to download the package and portage installs a package based on the oracle one |
| 05:13.29 | wols | Eryn_1983_FL: no. there is no JDK for linux anymore. openjdk only. openjdk was declared the official linux jdk by oracle |
| 05:13.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 05:14.01 | MaXim_ | intersting news i read the other day |
| 05:14.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry not up on the java stuff at all |
| 05:14.13 | MaXim_ | oracle is creating proprietary extensions for MySQL :P |
| 05:14.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | um whats the default mixer on debian? |
| 05:14.55 | wols | alsa |
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| 05:15.01 | MaXim_ | alsamixer |
| 05:15.04 | MrFrood | alsamixer? |
| 05:15.13 | wols | there are no "defaults" for user space programs |
| 05:15.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:15.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i guess i will install it |
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| 05:16.01 | MrFrood | still thinks the default editor should be ed |
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| 05:16.34 | MaXim_ | i think it installs nano by default |
| 05:16.47 | MaXim_ | I don't remember ever installing it but it exists on my system |
| 05:16.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:16.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | i like nanao |
| 05:16.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | nano |
| 05:17.18 | MaXim_ | of course vi and ed exist too |
| 05:17.41 | MrFrood | MaXim_: I know - nano/pico are evil - they will seduce you with simplicity so you don't notice the lack of features |
| 05:18.37 | MrFrood | nano/pico are the Apple of the editor world |
| 05:18.59 | nevyn | lol |
| 05:19.03 | nevyn | that's harsh. |
| 05:19.10 | MrFrood | but true |
| 05:19.13 | nevyn | nah |
| 05:19.22 | nevyn | you can always move to a better editor |
| 05:19.32 | nevyn | in that they're still free software (well nano is) |
| 05:19.47 | nevyn | once you have all your data in i* you're stuck |
| 05:19.55 | MrFrood | you can always get a better computer (say a PDP-11) |
| 05:20.22 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe MrFrood |
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| 05:23.28 | MrFrood | nevyn: just for the record the version of pico from the alpine project is also free (license wise) |
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| 05:28.42 | bambanx | how i can install hg for use wih bitbucket ? |
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| 05:45.44 | MaXim_ | any programming wizards here |
| 05:46.02 | centHOGG | nah just us satanists |
| 05:46.17 | MaXim_ | hahah |
| 05:46.21 | wols | !anyone |
| 05:46.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 05:46.39 | MaXim_ | i need to find a shortest path |
| 05:46.45 | MrFrood | COBOL it is the language of the future |
| 05:46.56 | MaXim_ | why would i use A* over dijkstra |
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| 05:48.32 | nvz | MaXim_: the shortest path is suicide... goes along with centHOGG's comment... |
| 05:48.59 | MrFrood | MaXim_: /msg dpkg homework |
| 05:49.06 | MaXim_ | this is not homework |
| 05:49.44 | MaXim_ | im trying to decide what algorithm to use |
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| 05:50.57 | nvz | is trying to think of a way to destroy the world of warcraft |
| 05:51.20 | n-iCe | hehe |
| 05:51.40 | n-iCe | you said something few minutes ago |
| 05:52.26 | n-iCe | Why would I be better in amd64 and no in a i368, if I use intel |
| 05:52.38 | nvz | lots of people said something a few minutes ago.. whats more interesting is how few of them I heard... |
| 05:52.42 | MaXim_ | hmm |
| 05:52.48 | MaXim_ | johnson's algorithm might be good |
| 05:52.58 | nvz | n-iCe: what cpu? |
| 05:53.04 | n-iCe | Host 'debian', running Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae - Cpu0: Intel 800 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2267 MHz; Up: 1:18; Users: 4; Load: 0.23; Free: [Mem: 2139/3917 Mio] [Swap: 5683/5683 Mio] [/: 264504/294859 Mio]; Vpenis: 224.2 cm; |
| 05:53.29 | n-iCe | lapto |
| 05:54.00 | MaXim_ | on i386 you must use PAE if you want a physical address space of larger than 4GB |
| 05:54.07 | MrFrood | n-iCe: AMD were first with X64 so intel just copied their instruction set |
| 05:54.20 | nvz | o.O |
| 05:54.24 | n-iCe | what does that mean |
| 05:54.46 | MrFrood | AMD64 = X64 |
| 05:55.07 | n-iCe | so my lap should be running better in amd64? |
| 05:55.57 | MrFrood | is it 64bit and do you have more than 3gb of ram (if yes then yes) |
| 05:56.29 | n-iCe | Well by default had windows 7 64bits, must be 64bits, and yes I have more than 3GB |
| 05:57.29 | MaXim_ | if your cpu is intel core 2 then there might be a slight performance penalty in amd64 |
| 05:57.43 | n-iCe | intel centrino 2 duo |
| 05:57.52 | n-iCe | yup |
| 05:57.53 | MaXim_ | nothing noticeable though |
| 05:58.42 | n-iCe | oh |
| 05:58.46 | MaXim_ | there is also performance penalties in i386 if you have more than 4gb of memory |
| 05:58.47 | MrFrood | of course real nerds use a DEC Alpha when they need 64 bit |
| 05:58.48 | MaXim_ | using PAE |
| 05:59.23 | n-iCe | I am using PAE |
| 05:59.28 | n-iCe | So better to stay like this? |
| 05:59.33 | MaXim_ | better to use amd64 |
| 05:59.37 | n-iCe | ok |
| 05:59.49 | MaXim_ | but i doubt you would notice much difference anyway |
| 06:01.17 | n-iCe | ok, thanks |
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| 06:10.00 | ericmuyser | what's the common way to ./configure make for -Os rather than -O3? GCC |
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| 06:10.29 | Arafangion | CFLAGS, I believe. |
| 06:10.35 | Arafangion | For C, at least. |
| 06:11.18 | nvz | or use gentoo.. haha |
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| 06:11.29 | MaXim_ | export CFLAGS="-Os" |
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| 06:14.25 | ericmuyser | MaXim_: thanks, happen to know if this is a problem? /usr/bin/gcc -Os -rdynamic -pthread -g -O3 |
| 06:14.32 | ericmuyser | -Os then -03 |
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| 06:20.10 | MaXim_ | ericmuyser: O3 overrides Os |
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| 06:20.40 | MaXim_ | if you can put Os after O3, O3 will be overriden |
| 06:20.57 | ericmuyser | having a hard time finding it |
| 06:21.28 | ericmuyser | theres wcript, Makefile, Makefile.cmake, cmake/configure.cmake and various |
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| 06:22.33 | musings | How long will debian keep Gnome 2 for |
| 06:22.56 | MaXim_ | try this: grep -r -i O3 ./ |
| 06:23.13 | MaXim_ | in the root directory of whatever you're trying to build |
| 06:23.55 | somiaj | musings: wheezy is planed to only have gnome3 |
| 06:24.12 | somiaj | musings: gnome2 will be phased out by the time it stabalizes |
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| 06:26.12 | musings | somiaj: i'm giving gnome3 another shot here, on my.. um, ubuntu machine. I was gonna switch back to debian if I heard they'd keep gnome2 around longer. Been missing Gnome2 a lot. Nothing is quite like it (don't bother, i've tried them all) Initially gnome3 had problems with my video card though. Maybe it's been fixed! |
| 06:26.41 | MaXim_ | could make like linus and boycott gnome altogether :P |
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| 06:26.51 | somiaj | musings: wheezy wont be out for a year or so which is enough time to get gnome3 working (we hope) |
| 06:27.09 | somiaj | musings: until then squeeze will only ever have gnome2 and it will be stable and have updates for 2 more years at least |
| 06:27.28 | musings | nicee |
| 06:27.36 | somiaj | musings: by the time wheezy comes out gnome3 fall back mode will hopefully be good enough on old machines (again this is just the plan) |
| 06:27.40 | musings | i should probably be using debian |
| 06:28.08 | somiaj | I personally say get away from the de's, but I've been an fvwm user for 10 years |
| 06:28.32 | ericmuyser | MaXim_: thanks that helps. STILL cant find it, crazy.. |
| 06:28.36 | Arafangion | keeps alternating between the DE's and fluxbox. |
| 06:28.38 | musings | somiaj: I had a phase where I didn't use them |
| 06:28.59 | musings | it lasted years |
| 06:29.22 | MaXim_ | i've heard of people dist-upgrading from debian to ubuntu |
| 06:29.25 | musings | I'm on KDE right now, but it often doesn't render correctly on my screen, which is irritating. Apps seem to have issues with kwin. |
| 06:29.28 | MaXim_ | not sure about the other way heheh |
| 06:29.42 | somiaj | MaXim_: either way is bad juju, to many core parts are different |
| 06:29.49 | musings | there's a method of installing debian which allows you to install debian from within any existing linux installation. |
| 06:29.53 | musings | debian is the most installable linux there is |
| 06:29.54 | MaXim_ | yeah of course it wasnt the only thing they did |
| 06:30.04 | somiaj | MaXim_: but since upgrade only pulls in newer versions its easier to go the direction of newer versions. |
| 06:30.05 | MaXim_ | there were more steps involved |
| 06:30.09 | musings | I've installed debian onto a gentoo system :D |
| 06:30.17 | MaXim_ | yea they force reinstalled every package |
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| 06:30.48 | musings | but this time I have a USB key and spare hard drive, so that won't be necessary. |
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| 06:31.18 | musings | +1 for debian: intelligent conversation is possible in distribution IRC channel. |
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| 06:32.20 | somiaj | building server images with debootstrap, or just chroots to play in is always fun. |
| 06:32.34 | MaXim_ | I tried installing debian inside interix a while back |
| 06:32.42 | MaXim_ | the packages were pretty out of date though |
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| 06:44.36 | onuris | hey there i got a problem with ext4 mkfs.ext4: Size of device /dev/mapper/crypt too big to be expressed in 32 bits using a blocksize of 4096. |
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| 06:50.56 | benonsoftware | Hi all |
| 06:51.09 | centHOGG | o/ |
| 06:51.18 | benonsoftware | Is there a site like harvest.ubuntu.com but for Debian? |
| 06:51.30 | somiaj | what does that site do, and what are you wanting? |
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| 06:51.57 | onuris | nobody who can help me? :( |
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| 06:52.19 | benonsoftware | harvest.u.c is a site were you can get bugs to help package for Ubuntu |
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| 06:52.51 | somiaj | benonsoftware: a site that gives you bugs, that isn't what debian likes to do -- what is it you want to do? |
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| 06:53.28 | benonsoftware | harvest.u.c is a bit hard to explain could you visit it please? |
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| 06:54.37 | somiaj | benonsoftware: not intersted in ubuntu, but if you make it clear what it is you are looking for in debian we can help |
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| 06:55.51 | benonsoftware | The site descritption saids Harvest makes it easy to find low-hanging opportunities in Ubuntu |
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| 06:56.45 | onuris | no ext4 specialist on board? |
| 07:01.58 | skyshadow | benonsoftware: are you looking for the bug tracker? |
| 07:02.18 | benonsoftware | Yeah, but not like the bugs.debian.org |
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| 07:05.31 | onuris | mkfs.ext4 -b 4096 -m 0 /dev/sdb -> mkfs.ext4: Size of device /dev/sdb too big to be expressed in 32 bits using a blocksize of 4096. |
| 07:05.48 | onuris | i mustn´t understand this ... |
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| 07:12.14 | nvz | bah |
| 07:12.17 | nvz | !test |
| 07:12.18 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 07:15.36 | Bushmills | hm. 17 Terabytes? |
| 07:16.00 | Bushmills | try partitioning |
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| 07:17.16 | Bushmills | 16 Terabytes, actually |
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| 07:18.15 | Bushmills | maybe 8, if blocks number datatype is signed int |
| 07:18.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | eh? |
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| 07:18.34 | onuris | wasn´t there 16 exabyte that ext4 able to handle? |
| 07:18.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.47 | Bushmills | "onuris: mkfs.ext4 -b 4096 -m 0 /dev/sdb -> mkfs.ext4: Size of device /dev/sdb too big to be expressed in 32 bits using a blocksize of 4096." |
| 07:19.19 | onuris | The ext4 filesystem can support volumes with sizes up to 1 exbibyte (EiB) and files with sizes up to 16 tebibytes (TiB).[9] The current e2fsprogs can only handle a filesystem of 16 TiB,[10] but support for larger filesystems is under development. <- wikipedia |
| 07:19.56 | Bushmills | doesn't help if driver is compiled such that some vars are 32 rather than 64 or more bits |
| 07:20.01 | onuris | in other linux systems i can use all the space :( |
| 07:20.28 | Bushmills | or corresponding tools, for that matter |
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| 07:27.08 | Angelous | What's all the basic compilers I should install for debian? |
| 07:27.12 | Angelous | I'm new to linux |
| 07:28.36 | Coweater | Angelous: what do you need a compiler for? if you're building packages build-essential covers most everything |
| 07:28.41 | p_quarles | Angelous: build-essential is the package with the, well, essentials |
| 07:28.53 | Angelous | Oh, thank you. |
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| 07:30.31 | Angelous | What's this? |
| 07:30.32 | Angelous | Get:1 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main linux-libc-dev amd64 2.6.32-35squeeze2 [845 kB] |
| 07:30.32 | Angelous | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 07:30.32 | Angelous | 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20110322-16:05' |
| 07:30.32 | Angelous | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter |
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| 07:30.37 | Angelous | Sorry for spam |
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| 07:31.12 | Coweater | Angelous: your /etc/apt/sources.list is referencing the cd install media to grab packages from |
| 07:31.26 | Angelous | Yeah, but I didn't use a cd |
| 07:31.33 | p_quarles | then edit it out |
| 07:31.34 | Angelous | I used a iso image in vmware |
| 07:31.41 | Angelous | hmm |
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| 07:50.25 | psiklops | hi.is there a way to record the output/traffic(sound) between my browser and soundcard ? |
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| 07:51.25 | cheapie | psiklops: Try installing an audio recording program, and recording "Stereo Mix". |
| 07:51.40 | nvz | psiklops: um, set the pcm channel in the mixer to the record device and open a program that records.. |
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| 07:56.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok peeps where did shellutils package go?? |
| 07:56.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | I can't find it |
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| 07:59.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | NM |
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| 08:00.18 | i-was-fedora | Eryn_1983_FL: shellutils, what does this packages provide ?? |
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| 08:04.33 | i-was-fedora | Eryn_1983_FL: you may mean coreutils ???????? |
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| 08:06.10 | cheapie | i-was-fedora: Reminds me of when I spent over 30 minutes trying to figure out how to run "kernel scripts". We were all noobs at some point... |
| 08:06.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
| 08:06.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | I got it working |
| 08:06.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i was usin an old version of cfg2html |
| 08:07.37 | i-was-fedora | cheapie: ............. some points ??? :D |
| 08:08.29 | i-was-fedora | Eryn_1983_FL: you mean REALLY REALLY old version |
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| 08:48.05 | windparadise | hi, pls how do we add a user to a virtual host? |
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| 08:49.35 | fossala | How would I find the dns server my ip is using? |
| 08:49.53 | fossala | I have rang my isp and got told they only support windows. |
| 08:49.57 | nevyn | windparadise: what sort of virtual host? |
| 08:49.58 | petemc | windparadise: virtual hosts only makes sense in the context of a service like email |
| 08:50.04 | petemc | fossala: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:50.06 | nevyn | fossala: that's situation normal |
| 08:50.31 | fossala | All that says is the local ip of the router. |
| 08:50.31 | nevyn | petemc: depends.. could be he means a virtualised guest system (xen/kvm etc) |
| 08:50.41 | nevyn | fossala: so that's the nameserver |
| 08:51.28 | petemc | nevyn: so to you virtualised means virtual? |
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| 08:51.55 | fossala | OK, I may be a bit confused I'm setting up a bind9 server and want that set as my primary dns on my router. I have to set my other dns server by hand but don't have the infomation on what the dns servers ip address is. |
| 08:52.31 | petemc | you configured bind9 but you dont know how to get its ip? |
| 08:52.36 | nevyn | no |
| 08:52.47 | nevyn | he needs the ip's of the forwarders at his isp. |
| 08:52.53 | nevyn | maybe? |
| 08:52.56 | fossala | No I know bind9 ip just not my ...... yes nevyn |
| 08:53.18 | nevyn | petemc: a virtual host could == a host that is virtual ie.. a guest |
| 08:53.30 | nevyn | fossala: you know you don't need need those right? |
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| 08:53.37 | nevyn | it's only an efficiency gain |
| 08:54.19 | nevyn | ie bind out of the box will lookup hosts recursively |
| 08:54.38 | fossala | nevyn: thanks I will give it a go. |
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| 08:59.07 | fossala | OK just setting my bind9 ip server works but if that fails it would be still good to have a backup |
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| 09:01.19 | stephane_ | bonjour |
| 09:01.25 | Orbitrix | chinguh tu madreh |
| 09:01.33 | Orbitrix | i mean |
| 09:01.34 | Orbitrix | Hola |
| 09:01.35 | Orbitrix | \:)/ |
| 09:01.55 | Bushmills | if it fails recursing, it is most likely because your network connection dropped - in which case an alternative recursor would do little good |
| 09:02.13 | stephane_ | ah enfin vous me recevez? :) |
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| 09:03.30 | Bushmills | but you can run an alternative recursor on about any machine on your LAN. unbound would be a smaller alternative to bind, as it's recursor only, no authoriative component |
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| 09:04.12 | nlko | is there a way to search for packages in the repo that will install setuid 0? |
| 09:05.14 | nlko | i mean, will be setuid after they install |
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| 09:05.29 | moows | hi, today I install squeeze (in a pc that had lenny, and all worked ok) and i have a problem. Write and read operations on /dev/sdc1 sometimes are blocked for some seconds, as if /dev/sdc was off (sdc only have a partition). |
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| 09:05.54 | moows | sdc works in similar way that sdd; usually they are in idle, but with sdd i have no problems. And both, sdc and sdd, are mounted with same options, "just defaults". I check sdc with smartontools and it's ok. |
| 09:06.06 | moows | so i have no idea about what are happening, some suggestions? (i'm a bit scared, because now i can't have a back-up) |
| 09:07.11 | petemc | moows: anything in syslog/messages/dmesg ? |
| 09:07.20 | moows | no |
| 09:07.38 | moows | at least, i don't find nothing strange |
| 09:08.34 | petemc | these are internal sata drives? |
| 09:09.14 | moows | i don't know |
| 09:10.10 | nlko | can anyone recommend a http lib for sending xml? i just want some basic <message> tags to be sent via a POST |
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| 09:12.40 | sammi` | lxml? |
| 09:17.05 | petemc | curl |
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| 09:22.50 | nlko | so the only builtin ruby http POST request is post_form |
| 09:22.59 | nlko | and it only takes a hash of name value pairs |
| 09:23.05 | nlko | not very flexible is it |
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| 09:23.58 | nlko | oh no, i can set request.body ="<xml>" |
| 09:24.12 | sammi` | :-/ |
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| 09:37.09 | nlko | how can i set the content-type for a Net:HTTP::POST ? |
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| 09:38.18 | gentz | there are many log checkers i've read about: swatch, sec, lire, logcheck... Which log checker best to use with rsyslog? |
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| 09:40.56 | GNU\colossus | gentz, what do you want your log checker to do? |
| 09:41.01 | stephane0981 | Bonjour |
| 09:41.07 | GNU\colossus | Avahi |
| 09:41.35 | stephane0981 | il y a pas un salon debian france? |
| 09:42.04 | jelly-home | !fr |
| 09:42.04 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 09:42.28 | stephane0981 | merci beaucoup j'essaie de suite |
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| 09:44.54 | boudiccas | !fr |
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| 09:47.23 | gentz | GNU\colossus: Be able to filter logs based on regex & send email notifications. Simple syntax would be a plus. |
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| 09:52.46 | poisonbit | does this code imply any security issue, if $function_foo has been sanitized previously? eval "$function_foo \"$@\"" |
| 09:54.04 | Bushmills | eval is generally not recommended, and it seems you can do $function_foo "$@" instead |
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| 09:54.55 | poisonbit | well, the example is into a bigger eval |
| 09:55.02 | poisonbit | my doubt is in that $@ |
| 09:55.25 | Bushmills | of course i can only answer for the example which you have shown |
| 09:55.45 | poisonbit | $@ is the input to an outern function |
| 09:55.51 | poisonbit | letme link an example, 1 sec |
| 09:56.20 | poisonbit | https://github.com/bashext/BX/blob/master/src/lib/BX/Core.bash#L810 |
| 09:56.35 | poisonbit | well it is in #L832 |
| 09:57.11 | poisonbit | oh, i pasted bad the example |
| 09:57.19 | poisonbit | really $@ is \$@ |
| 09:58.06 | poisonbit | It will pass the args to $interface, to $name |
| 09:58.10 | Bushmills | seems it shouldn't really matter where expanding $@ is done |
| 09:58.22 | poisonbit | can something be injected in that eval? is unsafe in any way ? |
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| 09:58.40 | poisonbit | thanks... I'm not sure when it can and when not |
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| 09:59.00 | poisonbit | maybe I should try some example tests in /tmp to clarify myself |
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| 09:59.52 | Bushmills | you want args passed to your function. whether it expands $@, or the call expands $@, would in most case make no difference to the lines which operated on those arguments |
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| 10:01.19 | poisonbit | I've readed anywhere (maybe the /topic wiki?) that I should sanitize the right side on eval assignments, but I just use to sanitize the left side |
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| 10:01.46 | poisonbit | this is not a variable assignment, but a function and args, so my doubts |
| 10:02.40 | Bushmills | that may be too late. think of right side evaluating to something like $(trash_your_system), which left side wouldn't see |
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| 10:04.11 | Bushmills | the mean thing about eval is that it does substitution twice, making it considerably more difficult to catch meanies in the string |
| 10:05.14 | poisonbit | most of my arguments are unknown |
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| 10:05.39 | poisonbit | the most are english single words, but I may need any argument tupoe to both functions (the wrapper and the real) |
| 10:05.51 | poisonbit | s/tupoe/type/ |
| 10:05.56 | ElTimo | Morning everyone. |
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| 10:06.32 | ElTimo | I have a question about upgrading from stable to testing. |
| 10:06.33 | Bushmills | well, i'd avoid eval, when using bash - which makes it easier to avoid. in know of situations with POSIX sh where i couldn't |
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| 10:06.59 | poisonbit | ElTimo, wrong channel ? ;) |
| 10:07.31 | ElTimo | poisonbit, this is #debian, isn't it? |
| 10:07.41 | poisonbit | :-o |
| 10:07.48 | poisonbit | I'm in the worng channel! |
| 10:07.54 | poisonbit | xD sorry and thanks |
| 10:07.56 | chjj | lol! |
| 10:08.00 | chjj | ;p |
| 10:08.00 | ElTimo | rofl no problem. |
| 10:08.15 | ElTimo | I feel like a "NO U" is appropriate here. |
| 10:08.19 | poisonbit | Bushmills, made me think I was in #bash |
| 10:08.44 | ElTimo | These things happen. |
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| 10:09.02 | poisonbit | well, ask your upgrading question :) |
| 10:09.02 | Bushmills | there's bash coming with debian too |
| 10:09.28 | ElTimo | Basically, I want to know if it's safe, due to the new kernel. |
| 10:09.41 | ElTimo | I'm running crunchbang and I'd rather not have to reinstall. |
| 10:09.58 | Bushmills | whether crunchbang is safe, debian can't tell |
| 10:10.07 | Bushmills | i'd say the crunchbang folks know better |
| 10:10.16 | ElTimo | crunchbang is directly based on debian stable. |
| 10:10.24 | ElTimo | Uses the same repositories and everything. |
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| 10:10.50 | Bushmills | so why you're using crunchbang instead of debian, if it was the same? |
| 10:11.18 | Bushmills | and - why is crunchbang called crunchbang, and not debian? |
| 10:11.30 | wols | !crunchbang |
| 10:11.30 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 10:11.52 | ElTimo | wols, Worth a shot. |
| 10:12.27 | ElTimo | Thanks guys. Sorry to bother you. |
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| 10:21.24 | mah454 | Why I can not browse launchpad.net in firefox ? (receive this message : The connection was interrupted) |
| 10:22.46 | poisonbit | If wget -O - http://launchpad.net (or https, whatever) works, then it's by a firefox problem |
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| 10:23.07 | poisonbit | as firefox has a system component and a user configuration, you cna try a new user, to isolate the issue |
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| 10:23.19 | poisonbit | s/cna/can/ |
| 10:23.44 | poisonbit | s/firefox/iceweasel/ |
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| 10:24.52 | SerajewelKS | mah454: perhaps you're using a proxy that is malfunctioning? |
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| 10:25.12 | mah454 | wait ... I test wget |
| 10:25.32 | mah454 | SerajewelKS, No i do not use Proxy |
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| 10:25.40 | SerajewelKS | or maybe an addon is causing problems? |
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| 10:27.03 | MrMind | Hi, I'm going to install Debian in Virtualbox on my Mac and wonder if I should use a 32 or 64bit version of debian, I'm going to give it 1-2GB of ram, what do you think? |
| 10:27.48 | SerajewelKS | MrMind: 32-bit might reduce compatibility issues depending on what software you are going to be running |
| 10:27.55 | SerajewelKS | MrMind: otherwise, it doesn't much matter |
| 10:28.09 | poisonbit | MrMind, choose the same arch that you use to create the VM, the ram is fine for most uses |
| 10:28.31 | mah454 | poisonbit, SerajewelKS I can Open launchpad.net with lynx but can not open this with firefox or google-chromium ! |
| 10:29.00 | SerajewelKS | mah454: double-check your GNOME and firefox proxy configuration to make sure you don't have one set up |
| 10:29.01 | poisonbit | mah454, since any change ? |
| 10:29.01 | MrMind | okay, my mac use 64bit so I use 64bit for debian to, thanks :) |
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| 10:33.47 | mah454 | poisonbit, what is your DNS ip address ? |
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| 10:34.11 | poisonbit | why ? :) |
| 10:35.37 | mah454 | I think my dns have problem ... |
| 10:35.37 | mah454 | I need DNS ... |
| 10:35.56 | poisonbit | I use my isp dns, try google ones 8.8.8.8 |
| 10:36.11 | p_quarles | mah454: http://www.opendns.com/ |
| 10:36.33 | mah454 | Thank you :) |
| 10:37.09 | poisonbit | If you can browse with links, and wget works, then may your DNS problem is not in the system DNS, but in any iceweasel customization |
| 10:37.10 | Bushmills | you're aware that the "s" in "dns" stands for "system", not for "server"? |
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| 10:41.41 | p_quarles | it wasn't too difficult to see that he meant nameserver |
| 10:43.44 | Bushmills | sounds similarily funny when people talk about "their www" when they refer to web servers |
| 10:44.04 | SerajewelKS | Bushmills: of course, it's my internet, not yours ;) |
| 10:44.23 | Bushmills | it has to be :) |
| 10:44.40 | SerajewelKS | has a whole internet |
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| 10:44.55 | Bushmills | then you're of course also free to have specified your whole own dns |
| 10:45.35 | p_quarles | I just put all my stuff on my http |
| 10:45.40 | SerajewelKS | i do, i have my own dns and my own facebook and my own hotmail! |
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| 10:45.59 | wols | SerajewelKS: so you are the asshole who is responsible for the internet not working, the spamming, the botnets and all that? screw you! |
| 10:46.18 | SerajewelKS | wols: no, no, i'm only responsible for that on /my/ internet |
| 10:46.23 | p_quarles | book 'im, danno |
| 10:46.53 | wols | there is only one internet. THE internet. al gore told us so (how did you get it from him anyways?) |
| 10:47.17 | SerajewelKS | there can't be only one internet, everyone i talk to seems to have an internet |
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| 10:47.48 | p_quarles | wols: but he lost the election, and Bush clearly stated that there were internetS; so there |
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| 10:48.58 | wols | p_quarles: you trust what a republican said? and an alcoholic to boot? |
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| 10:49.50 | SerajewelKS | s/republican/politician/ |
| 10:49.59 | p_quarles | wols: well sure, he was drunk, that's why he spilled the beans on the multiple internets |
| 10:50.08 | p_quarles | wols: otherwise we would have never known |
| 10:50.27 | wols | no. as all drunks, he saw double. hence internets when there is only one |
| 10:51.17 | p_quarles | no no no, I've watched fox news; they have their own reality, so it follows that there is a separate internet there |
| 10:51.24 | p_quarles | common sense |
| 10:51.52 | wols | we can only hope that fox news has its own internet. |
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| 10:55.33 | mah454 | No ! My problem not fixed ! I can not open launchpad.net ! http://pastebin.com/2PMWNRWa |
| 10:57.07 | Bushmills | "interrupted while the page was loading" does not indicate a problem with your name servers |
| 10:57.33 | mah454 | Very interesting ! I can Open this with lynx or w3m ! |
| 10:57.55 | Bushmills | that's another indication that the problem is a different one |
| 10:58.38 | Bushmills | "If you use a proxy server, check your proxy settings..." |
| 10:58.43 | ompaul | mah454: firstly lunchpad is not a debian project, it is a privately run web service, secondly it took an age for lp to open for me, indicating it is very slow today, I guess you just got to try try try again, currently it's system status is unavailabe, but it's "home page" is. |
| 10:59.31 | p_quarles | indeed launchpad can be very slow; if it opens in one browser but not another, I would suspect timeout settings |
| 10:59.55 | mah454 | ok . I understand ... |
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| 11:01.11 | mah454 | heh ! in windows Operating System can open this ! :D |
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| 11:35.58 | niko_20010 | hi |
| 11:36.25 | niko_20010 | i have problems with a 3ware 8006-lp2 |
| 11:36.45 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 11:37.20 | niko_20010 | the problem is as following: |
| 11:37.22 | Azrael_- | i'm using squeeze but it looks like archivemount isn't available any more in it. hints how to get it? |
| 11:37.44 | Azrael_- | nm |
| 11:37.53 | niko_20010 | i have two disks connected to the controller in raid 1 mode |
| 11:38.22 | niko_20010 | the disk on port 0 is marked as not in use in bios |
| 11:38.34 | niko_20010 | and as degraded in 3dm2 |
| 11:38.52 | niko_20010 | can anyone help? |
| 11:39.13 | niko_20010 | btw: the smart data of both disks is excellent |
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| 11:55.37 | Tobias| | Anybody have an example of a working /etc/network/interfaces configuration bridging two networks using static IPs? |
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| 12:00.36 | SerajewelKS | Tobias|: bridges usually have only one IP |
| 12:00.59 | MrMind | If I install debian in virtual box on a laptop, should i install the laptop package in debian to? |
| 12:01.08 | SerajewelKS | MrMind: no |
| 12:01.17 | MrMind | SerajewelKS: okey, thx :) |
| 12:01.19 | Tobias| | SerajewelKS, hm. |
| 12:01.23 | Tobias| | Well that's made things interesting |
| 12:01.28 | Tobias| | Might also highlight why my configuration's so broken |
| 12:01.42 | SerajewelKS | Tobias|: if the two networks have different IP-spaces then you will need to route, not bridge |
| 12:02.02 | SerajewelKS | Tobias|: a bridge is effectively a switch |
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| 12:03.18 | SerajewelKS | Tobias|: in the different-IP-space scenario, the linux box needs to be configured to route packets between the two networks, and then all of the hosts on those networks need to be instructed to send packets destined for the other network to the linux box |
| 12:04.33 | Tobias| | So I should configure eth0 and eth1 to have the same IP addresses? |
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| 12:04.49 | SerajewelKS | Tobias|: do the two networks use the same IP-space? |
| 12:04.58 | Tobias| | No sir |
| 12:05.03 | SerajewelKS | then no |
| 12:05.10 | SerajewelKS | they should each have an address on their respective network |
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| 12:05.32 | Tobias| | o_O |
| 12:05.33 | Tobias| | Ah, I see |
| 12:05.34 | Tobias| | Alright |
| 12:05.47 | Tobias| | How do I go about routing everything between the two? |
| 12:05.57 | SerajewelKS | just make sure that ipv4 forwarding is enabled |
| 12:06.32 | Tobias| | What would I set as the gateway on my internal-facing interface? |
| 12:07.33 | SerajewelKS | does that network have a default router? or is this box the default router? |
| 12:07.36 | wols | there is no gateway there |
| 12:08.13 | Tobias| | Alright |
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| 12:08.37 | SerajewelKS | does the external-facing interface face the internet? or some other network? |
| 12:08.51 | Roland- | hello, is anyone from sweden here? I need something very small translated... please |
| 12:09.01 | SerajewelKS | Roland-: wrong channel? |
| 12:10.09 | SerajewelKS | Tobias|: in other words, is the external network expected to know how to route packets back to the internal network? |
| 12:10.19 | SerajewelKS | Tobias|: if the answer is no, then you also need to set up NAT/masquerading |
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| 12:11.41 | Tobias| | Will read over http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm |
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| 12:17.10 | ||__\\\ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.12 | ||__\\\ | ½. |
| 12:17.16 | ||__\\\ | ½. |
| 12:17.34 | ||__\\\ | man, lousy connection, sorry 'bout that |
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| 12:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, lameometer ||__\\\ |
| 12:28.56 | dpkg | '||__\\\' is 99.9766% lame, cutmeownthroat |
| 12:29.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | still 0.0234% to go... but valiant effort |
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| 12:31.09 | becker_11 | deb 6 is that called sid? |
| 12:32.33 | wols | no. debian 6 is called squeeze. sid will never have a release number and will never be released. /msg dpkg sid |
| 12:32.43 | becker_11 | okay I just found deb 6 is squeeze how can I install the chromium-browser from the wheezy repo |
| 12:32.53 | becker_11 | okay thanks wolfe213 |
| 12:32.57 | wols | you can backport |
| 12:33.03 | becker_11 | okay thanks wols oops sorry |
| 12:33.14 | wols | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 12:33.14 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 13.0.782.220~r99552-1; wheezy: 13.0.782.220~r99552-1; experimental: 14.0.835.157~r99685-1; sid: 14.0.835.163~r101024-1 |
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| 12:35.50 | becker_11 | okay once my net stops acting up the backports page might load and I'll get this thing figured out |
| 12:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | proposed-updates is what used to be volatile? |
| 12:37.29 | ansgar | CutMeOwnThroat: No, that would be squeeze-updates. p-u has the updates that will be merged in the next stable point release. |
| 12:37.56 | ansgar | CutMeOwnThroat: (And squeeze-updates is a subset of that.) |
| 12:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh |
| 12:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, proposed-updates |
| 12:38.13 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. They require extensive testing before being accepted, but these can be acquired and used to test upcoming/fixed packages. They may also cause problems. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <testing-proposed-updates>. |
| 12:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps should add that repo |
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| 12:39.25 | [Sanyi] | experimental repos? |
| 12:39.39 | [Sanyi] | dpkg, eperimental |
| 12:39.39 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, [Sanyi] |
| 12:39.41 | [Sanyi] | ? |
| 12:39.44 | [Sanyi] | fak |
| 12:39.45 | [Sanyi] | :P |
| 12:39.56 | [Sanyi] | dpkg, eperimental-updates |
| 12:39.56 | dpkg | [Sanyi]: wish i knew |
| 12:39.59 | [Sanyi] | heh |
| 12:40.02 | [Sanyi] | dpkg, experimental-updates |
| 12:40.02 | dpkg | [Sanyi]: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 12:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ansgar, bit confusing naming convention now... and doesn't help that stuff is renamed around |
| 12:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | [Sanyi], /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 12:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaah, localized webpage again |
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| 12:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, already added it some time previous! |
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| 12:49.34 | becker_11 | installing sqeeze backports doesn't get me a newer version of the chromium browser do I need to use wheezy backports instead?? |
| 12:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 12:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no such thing |
| 12:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can backport yourself from wheezy or sid ... for how to do that: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:50.42 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, okay but wheezy is listed as having version 13 squeeze has version 6 so how can I get v13 to install |
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| 12:51.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just told you |
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| 12:51.59 | becker_11 | okay |
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| 12:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be non-trivial for chromium, though... else it would probably be in backports |
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| 12:53.52 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, will be non trivial compiling on a 1.6ghz eee pc |
| 12:54.45 | Arafangion | becker_11: It wouldn't be any more difficult. |
| 12:54.48 | Arafangion | becker_11: Only slower. |
| 12:54.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | we used to compile on 486 systems... |
| 12:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | right :) |
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| 12:55.13 | joe6 | sprof: http://codepad.org/a2Cg0Vzm |
| 12:55.15 | joe6 | error on debian, anyone using sprof on debian? |
| 12:55.17 | becker_11 | very true |
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| 12:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, with non-trivial I mean that dependencies might have changed and include libraries from wheezy... so you would have to backport those first... actually some dependencies might incorrectly give a higher version, because that was the one in unstable of the time when the package entered and the maintainer didn't take special care for backporting, so some dependencies might need adjusting... |
| 12:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or to summarize |
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| 12:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | about backporting: when it's easy, it's easy, when it's not, it's not |
| 12:57.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 12:58.04 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah I get that feeling. Chromium 6 is too old to use the chrome store which means I can't load extensions but this is a lot of work just to do that |
| 12:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, indeed, that's very annoying... one can download a lot of the extensions from outside the store, though and then package them |
| 12:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, best workaround would probably be to get an extension that spoofs the browser identification of that of a newer chromium |
| 12:59.21 | Arafangion | Think of the plus side. |
| 12:59.27 | Arafangion | No Angry Birds, so you have much more time. |
| 12:59.44 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, the current version is 15 can't we just get a deb from somewhere and install it with dpkg? |
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| 13:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, it'll most probably have dependencies that can't be fulfilled in squeeze... |
| 13:01.02 | becker_11 | Arafangion, I have angry birds on my android phone :-) |
| 13:01.11 | Arafangion | becker_11: Terrible. :) |
| 13:01.12 | joe6 | anyone knows how to install libc6 on debian? http://codepad.org/cYl7970g |
| 13:01.24 | joe6 | i am trying to get sprof to work. |
| 13:01.34 | Arafangion | becker_11: I have it on Chrome, on my mac. Finished it all on one weekend - waste of a weekend! |
| 13:01.38 | joe6 | is the new libc6, libc6-i686? |
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| 13:02.04 | becker_11 | Arafangion, I'm ashamed to admit one small part of one level has me stumped :( |
| 13:02.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, the same goes for just installing chromium from wheezy... if you do that, it'll pull all kinds of libraries behind it, with potential consequences for all other programs that use the same libraries... then you're mixing two different versions of debian... /msg dpkg mixing and /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 13:02.19 | Arafangion | becker_11: Spend a day at it, non-stop. |
| 13:02.31 | Arafangion | becker_11: Take note of which pixels you refer to when you position the bird. |
| 13:02.38 | Arafangion | becker_11: And adjust accordingly. |
| 13:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, I think you culd move this to #debian-offtopic without any loss to #debian |
| 13:03.16 | becker_11 | Arafangion, will do but might be next week as I'm configuring 2 laptops atm (AND LOVING IT) |
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| 13:03.35 | Arafangion | becker_11: Don't put any games on either of them! |
| 13:03.56 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry, it was a weak moment. |
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| 13:05.00 | becker_11 | Arafangion, I'm not |
| 13:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, just saying... not much talk in #d-ot right now, so might be a good thing(tm) |
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| 13:06.14 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't particuarly enjoy talking about Angry Birds - as I said, it was a wasted weekend. :) |
| 13:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting... I rearranged entries in sources.list and now my apt preference Default-Release isn't honored anymore and it wants to upgrade to testing |
| 13:06.34 | becker_11 | back on topic I'm going to look at SRwares iron browser |
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| 13:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, IMO chromium would be a good candidate for what used to be called volatile |
| 13:07.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and is now updates |
| 13:07.36 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, search apt pinning it uses priority numbers to choose prefered version ie 100 for stable 50 for wheezy etc |
| 13:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, I know! I just thought I get around pinning... but seems adding backports as well... |
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| 13:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the default distribution stuff really only works with a small number of repos |
| 13:08.40 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, whats this volitile/updates stuff ?? |
| 13:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, volatile |
| 13:09.02 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze-updates>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 13:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... yeah, renamed, so wrong factoid now |
| 13:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, squeeze-updates |
| 13:09.28 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
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| 13:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the new factoid doesn't say what it's for anymore |
| 13:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | <--- totally against that name change... now lots of people will be confused |
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| 13:11.15 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, mmm interesting |
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| 13:12.25 | Arafangion | Yep - one might conclude that Sid is preferable to Volatile. |
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| 13:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile (like backports) is not a full distribution |
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| 13:13.28 | becker_11 | the url is different in the news post than in the update you just posted here it uses cdn there it uses ftp? |
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| 13:14.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | will be different mirrors |
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| 13:17.57 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, gave me a ton of errors on apt-get update so I deleted it from my sources.list |
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| 13:19.28 | becker_11 | why would they put identical files in the stable distro and the backports repo? |
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| 13:21.29 | joe6 | with a sample program, http://codepad.org/QFwk2CnH , looks like i am missing something more (i have installed all libc6 libraries) |
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| 13:23.30 | joe6 | this is with a sample program. |
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| 13:23.56 | thewanderer1 | joe6: maybe argv is not const? |
| 13:24.23 | joe6 | i think it has something to do with sprof |
| 13:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, of what |
| 13:24.57 | tensorpudding | quick, what's that command to query what package a file belongs to? |
| 13:24.58 | joe6 | http://codepad.org/QvhpLgsd thewanderer1 |
| 13:25.11 | MaXim_ | apt-file |
| 13:25.31 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, chromium-browser |
| 13:26.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 13:26.09 | becker_11 | when I do apt-get -t sqeeze-backports chromium-browser it says I already have the newest version |
| 13:26.10 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 13.0.782.220~r99552-1; wheezy: 13.0.782.220~r99552-1; experimental: 14.0.835.157~r99685-1; sid: 14.0.835.163~r101024-1 |
| 13:26.24 | thewanderer1 | joe6: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2328 ? |
| 13:26.25 | tensorpudding | MaXim_: don't have that one |
| 13:26.30 | tensorpudding | i thought it was doable using dpkg |
| 13:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, it's not in backports |
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| 13:27.13 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, well that explains it then |
| 13:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | becker_11, and the repos are just lists of packages... they all take the actual .debs from the same pool directory |
| 13:27.25 | joe6 | thewanderer1: thanks a lot. |
| 13:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | (so when you see the same version in testing and in unstable, it's also really the same .deb) |
| 13:28.24 | becker_11 | CutMeOwnThroat, right I didn't know that I just assumes stable was in one folder then testing was in another etc etc |
| 13:28.36 | thewanderer1 | tensorpudding: dpkg -S /path/to/file; only works with installed ones |
| 13:31.21 | freeasjesus | Hey, Arch user here. Just wondering what makes you guys like Debian over other distros (such as Arch, Gentoo, Ubuntu etc)? |
| 13:31.40 | freeasjesus | (Serious question... thinking about installing Debian as have heard many good things) |
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| 13:31.57 | MaXim_ | arch was breaking all the time to me |
| 13:32.07 | MaXim_ | i came to learn that in arch, the users are the testers |
| 13:32.11 | becker_11 | freeasjesus, I've heard many good things about arch, gentoo, ubuntu etc |
| 13:32.15 | freeasjesus | MaXim_: so stability? |
| 13:32.24 | MaXim_ | i would say yes |
| 13:32.27 | thewanderer1 | freeasjesus: you might want to ask in #debian-offtopic, #debian is officially a tech support channel |
| 13:32.31 | freeasjesus | becker_11: have you used them, or are you only on Debian? |
| 13:32.39 | MaXim_ | even though im using testing and sid, it doesn't break too often |
| 13:32.40 | freeasjesus | thewanderer1: thank you, will take this there. |
| 13:33.03 | becker_11 | freeasjesus, used ubuntu, debian, fedora, crunchbang, linux mint, knoppix |
| 13:33.05 | thewanderer1 | MaXim_ and becker_11 are free to join there of course |
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| 13:34.01 | deathwing | ih |
| 13:34.02 | deathwing | hi |
| 13:34.39 | deathwing | how can I fix the no sound bug in flash on amd64? I'm using flashplugin-nonfree and I tried to bspatch memcpy without luck |
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| 13:35.16 | MaXim_ | try using flash from the adobe website |
| 13:35.20 | MaXim_ | flash player 11 beta |
| 13:35.27 | MaXim_ | seems to have fixed the sound bugs |
| 13:35.59 | deathwing | just download and copy the libflashplugin.so? without patch anything? |
| 13:36.10 | MaXim_ | yea |
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| 13:41.11 | deathwing | where should I save libflashplayer.so to use on Chromium? |
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| 13:43.24 | strp | hello all |
| 13:44.02 | strp | I have a problem with apache web server security |
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| 13:46.35 | cromag | strp: there are no way anyone can help you without knowing your issue. And regarding apache specific issues, you might be better off in #apache or is it ##apache ? |
| 13:47.06 | strp | cromag: sorry I was writing my issue |
| 13:47.21 | cromag | my bad then :) |
| 13:47.27 | deathwing | MaXim_: fixed with official plugin |
| 13:47.34 | strp | i was thinking how I can explain it better |
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| 13:48.38 | strp | cromag: the problem is php shell scripts , some bad boys are using them to hack me |
| 13:49.01 | strp | cromag: disabled some php functions but it doesnt work for me |
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| 13:49.57 | cromag | asked in ##php ? |
| 13:50.03 | cromag | i cant help out anyhow though |
| 13:50.28 | ousado | hello all. trying to start xend, error log is here: http://pastebin.com/C8VsCt3g. (according to google this can be about any problem that ever existed when starting xend) kernel is stock 3.0.0.1-amd64 on debian unstable, getting various of these: http://pastebin.com/YS65Yvb8 in dmesg. any hint? (I already asked in #xen) |
| 13:50.36 | superlinux | hi I have a travelmate 4000 acer laptop. i leave my laptop opened and running all the time. there are times that I must reboot my laptop just to get the websites working again. all the other services like IRC work smoothly. I just don't know why |
| 13:50.58 | deathwing | strp: switch to nginx + fastcgi |
| 13:51.07 | becker_11 | I'm editing a config file and I need to specidy my terminal how do I know what to use? the example they gave is "terminal = urxvt" |
| 13:51.13 | becker_11 | I use terminator |
| 13:51.20 | superlinux | I am using firefox as a browser by the way |
| 13:51.25 | strp | deathwing: whats wrong with apache ? |
| 13:52.11 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.33 | deathwing | strp: I don't have any problem with nginx and it's even faster than apache, anyway I don't understand your problem |
| 13:53.55 | superlinux | so what should I do? |
| 13:55.03 | ousado | superlinux: my current uptime is 26 days, I usually only reboot for changing kernels, never had that problem |
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| 13:55.31 | superlinux | me too on my old desktop |
| 13:55.40 | superlinux | but this here is wierd |
| 13:55.51 | superlinux | and I am behind a firewall |
| 13:56.07 | superlinux | there is a transparent proxy in use |
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| 13:56.24 | superlinux | proxy is squid |
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| 13:56.27 | ousado | superlinux: have you tried using wireshark to watch your network traffic? |
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| 13:56.36 | superlinux | nop |
| 13:56.43 | superlinux | lemme check |
| 13:56.43 | nowhereFast | can anybody in here help me out with samba? |
| 13:56.46 | ousado | maybe that can give you a hint |
| 13:57.12 | nowhereFast | i've got squeeze set up as a file server linked up to active directory |
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| 13:57.19 | th0r | nowhereFast: have you installed swat? |
| 13:57.22 | nowhereFast | i can log in with AD users and see the shares |
| 13:57.29 | nowhereFast | but i cant write to them |
| 13:57.51 | nowhereFast | hmmm... -no i have not come across a guide that covers swat |
| 13:58.14 | th0r | nowhereFast: might help you with getting samba set up properly, unless you are a config guru |
| 13:58.33 | nowhereFast | :-j i'm nowhere near a guru |
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| 13:58.40 | keyzs | http://www.thevenusproject.com/ |
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| 13:58.44 | wols | th0r: not in his case |
| 13:58.52 | nowhereFast | but wbinfo -u shows all AD users |
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| 13:59.05 | nowhereFast | and when accessing the file server i see the share directories |
| 13:59.10 | nowhereFast | just can write to them |
| 13:59.16 | nowhereFast | and not sure where to look for the issue... |
| 13:59.44 | ousado | nowhereFast: permissions problem maybe |
| 13:59.58 | nowhereFast | im assuming it has something to do with permissions |
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| 14:00.44 | nowhereFast | how can i assign permissions to directories for AD users? |
| 14:00.53 | nowhereFast | is there a specific chmod i have to run for this? |
| 14:01.10 | nowhereFast | some howto's suggest editing the /etc/sudoers file |
| 14:01.16 | nowhereFast | and adding the domain admins group |
| 14:01.30 | nowhereFast | not sure what works best with debian... |
| 14:02.11 | deathwing | KDE 4.7 isn't on testing repository? |
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| 14:04.24 | mark76 | Are there any alternatives for time-admin than gnome-system-tools? |
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| 14:05.34 | pipeline | /bin/date |
| 14:06.17 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 14:06.17 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. |
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| 14:06.35 | pipeline | nowhereFast: there are three layers of permissions in samba |
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| 14:07.12 | pipeline | nowhereFast: at the bottem are unix filesystem permissions. Samba will never perform any operation denied by the underlying fs permissions. |
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| 14:07.31 | pipeline | nowhereFast: on top of that is Windows ACLs. Samba attempts to make UNIX filesystem perms resemble the windows ACL represented to the client. Success varies. |
| 14:07.35 | valdyn | samba needs acl support to fully support windows anyway |
| 14:07.44 | pipeline | nowhereFast: on top of that is share permissions. The share itself can ban writes. |
| 14:07.46 | valdyn | and plenty linux fs support acl |
| 14:08.26 | pipeline | nowhereFast: what's probably going on with you is that active directory users only exist in samba, i.e. they are not unix users, so samba happily lets them into the share, but when they try to write, they're anonymous users, represented by the UNIX user 'nobody', who can't write shit |
| 14:08.27 | nowhereFast | hmmm... so i need to create a directory with full unix write permissions and use share permissions to control who can write to it and who not? |
| 14:08.48 | pipeline | nowhereFast: to verify the hypothesis, run 'getent passwd' and see if you see AD users in the list |
| 14:08.50 | valdyn | nowhereFast: no |
| 14:09.36 | nowhereFast | i see ad users |
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| 14:10.17 | nowhereFast | user:*:729:600:user:/home/xxx/user:/sbin/nologin |
| 14:10.24 | nowhereFast | ^this is wht i get for all ad users |
| 14:11.21 | deathwing | KDE 4.7 isn't on testing repository yet? |
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| 14:12.56 | valdyn | nowhereFast: why are your user ids at the default system uid range? |
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| 14:13.14 | joe6 | which font type is recommended? true type font or pcf font? |
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| 14:14.45 | nowhereFast | valdyn, the guide i used to set this up got it structured this way |
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| 14:15.18 | valdyn | nowhereFast: the "guide" is telling you to use certain uids? |
| 14:15.25 | valdyn | nowhereFast: how fucked up is that |
| 14:15.29 | nowhereFast | nope |
| 14:15.34 | valdyn | nowhereFast: what then? |
| 14:15.38 | nowhereFast | it has nothing in there about ids |
| 14:15.38 | superlinux | hi. is there a download tool that allows me to download a video starting from xyz minutes? cos dont want the whole video. I have seen the 1st part of it and downloading the 1st part means extra money to me. |
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| 14:15.53 | valdyn | nowhereFast: so you probably used the wrong commands to create users |
| 14:15.55 | nowhereFast | once configured and the fileserver joins the domain |
| 14:15.58 | nowhereFast | this is what happens |
| 14:16.03 | nowhereFast | i didnt create any users |
| 14:16.39 | net_robber | how to do something whe debian shutdown |
| 14:16.57 | valdyn | net_robber: start it again? |
| 14:16.58 | net_robber | is there any suggestion?? |
| 14:17.07 | net_robber | hi |
| 14:17.11 | net_robber | valdyn |
| 14:17.22 | net_robber | that is this |
| 14:17.31 | net_robber | i want my debian run this script |
| 14:17.36 | net_robber | rm -fr /etc/udev/70-xxxxxx-net-yyyyy |
| 14:17.42 | net_robber | in a vm |
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| 14:17.55 | net_robber | so i can copy to a new |
| 14:17.55 | valdyn | net_robber: thats the wrong way to solve whatever your actual problem may be |
| 14:18.24 | net_robber | i was try to add a shell script in the file /etc/rc0.d/K00clean&/etc/rc6.d/K00clean |
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| 14:18.53 | valdyn | net_robber: thats still the wrong way to solve your actual problem |
| 14:19.07 | net_robber | but it not work |
| 14:19.20 | valdyn | net_robber: do you not get what i said? |
| 14:19.29 | nowhereFast | http://ict-freak.nl/2009/04/07/debian-samba-with-ad-authentication/ |
| 14:19.30 | net_robber | sorry |
| 14:19.43 | net_robber | see it after sent |
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| 14:20.52 | valdyn | net_robber: the right way to not have udev save ethernet mac->name assignment is not not make that assignment, not to make the assignment and then delete it |
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| 14:22.39 | valdyn | !z70 |
| 14:22.39 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 14:22.41 | net_robber | so, you mean i should find something in the udev docs? |
| 14:23.16 | valdyn | net_robber: no i mean you should tell us what your actual issue is and let us find a solution, not ask us how to implement the wrong solution |
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| 14:23.40 | nowhereFast | ok |
| 14:23.44 | nowhereFast | its working now |
| 14:23.53 | nowhereFast | did a chmod 777 on the directory |
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| 14:24.17 | Aziroshin | Hello. |
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| 14:24.34 | Aziroshin | I have an Acer Aspire One and I would like to install debian onto a SD-Card in the internal SD-cardreader. |
| 14:24.40 | nowhereFast | so access now depends on samba priveleges |
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| 14:24.50 | net_robber | yes, i will desc it in another way |
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| 14:25.14 | Aziroshin | It seems that, even if I choose to load the sd and usb installer modules, that it does not detect it. |
| 14:25.46 | Aziroshin | dmesg does not carry any messages either upon removing and putting back the sd card. |
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| 14:27.12 | valdyn | nowhereFast: samba doesnt save its own privilegues except for general policies afaik |
| 14:27.12 | Iridos | Aziroshin, most probably means your sd card reader is not supported by the kernel |
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| 14:28.58 | Aziroshin | A while ago I installed a Kubuntu that way. How likely do you think it is that the card reader is supported there and not in the debian kernel? |
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| 14:29.55 | valdyn | Aziroshin: depends on the kernel age and the device age |
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| 14:31.21 | Aziroshin | I have three sd cards attached now, one of them in a USB-attached reader. I am now going to see whether any of those are detected. |
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| 14:31.39 | nowhereFast | i can specify valid groups for shares |
| 14:31.57 | nowhereFast | so i can create groups in AD and use them as valid groups |
| 14:32.16 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 14:32.25 | Aziroshin | Hello. |
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| 14:34.04 | Iridos | Aziroshin, compare kernel version from that kubuntu with that from squeeze? You can also get a newer kernel from backports for squeeze |
| 14:34.06 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
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| 14:34.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 14:35.45 | joe6 | how do i install fonts in debian? i put the fonts in ~/.fonts, and ran fc-cache -f -v, but fc-list does not show the font I just added. |
| 14:35.56 | joe6 | is there anything more that I have to do? |
| 14:36.22 | joe6 | and fc-cache -vvvf says that "Directory missing fonts.dir" |
| 14:36.36 | Aziroshin | It detected the USB-reader. I am going to install it there and then change grub and fstab configurations. |
| 14:36.44 | Aziroshin | Thanks for the aid so far. |
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| 14:36.57 | net_robber | when i was copy a vbox guest to another, i changed it's mac address, and udev create new eth record with the new mac addr, so, the nic will use a different ethX config. but i want it to use the old eth0 config |
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| 14:37.55 | net_robber | i think this is what i need |
| 14:38.23 | joe6 | got it, I think it needed "*sudo* fc-cache -f -v" |
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| 14:39.07 | valdyn | net_robber: ok - edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and remove the entry for the "old" card that is no longer used and change NAME= for the current nic entry to the name of your choice |
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| 14:41.19 | joe6 | no, that is not it. |
| 14:41.33 | joe6 | with sudo, it was looking at the fonts in root/.fonts |
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| 14:42.42 | net_robber | yes, i have did this, but i think if i make a copy of this vbox guest tomorrow, i should do this again, so, i want to find some way to do it auto. and i think i can remove the udev rule file, and udev will create a new new one, without the old record. |
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| 14:43.11 | joe6 | does anyone know how to install fonts in debian? put the font in .fonts and then "fc-cache -f -v". It does not seem to work for pcf fonts, though. |
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| 14:43.31 | Iridos | !tell joe6 -about install font |
| 14:43.49 | Iridos | joe6, no, that was correct so far... perhaps you should look at the full error, why it fails |
| 14:43.55 | net_robber | i try to add "rm" to some script which will run when the server halt or reboot |
| 14:44.40 | Iridos | net_robber, read what valdyn told you? |
| 14:44.51 | valdyn | joe6: show us the complete output of fc-cache -vvvf |
| 14:44.52 | net_robber | i know redhat like linux will run script under /etc/rc0|6.d |
| 14:45.05 | net_robber | yes |
| 14:45.11 | joe6 | valdyn: http://codepad.org/OUW7blGt |
| 14:45.24 | net_robber | but it need to do it manual |
| 14:45.30 | joe6 | fc-cache says that it suceeded. |
| 14:45.43 | Iridos | right |
| 14:45.44 | Iridos | hehe |
| 14:45.55 | Iridos | joe6, hello, fellow single-character-username user |
| 14:46.12 | joe6 | Valdyn, i have these files in ~/.fonts/profont-x11: ProFont_r400-10.pcf ProFont_r400-11.pcf ProFont_r400-12.pcf ProFont_r400-15.pcf ProFont_r400-17.pcf ProFont_r400-22.pcf ProFont_r400-29.pcf |
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| 14:46.19 | joe6 | /home/j/.fonts/profont-x11: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs |
| 14:46.27 | joe6 | but, that is what fc-cache says though. |
| 14:46.33 | joe6 | it cannot seem to read .pcf files. |
| 14:46.36 | valdyn | joe6: right, the pcf fonts arent recognised |
| 14:46.48 | joe6 | valdyn, are there any alternatives? |
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| 14:47.14 | valdyn | joe6: sure, but i just think that the procedure for pcf fonts involves something else first |
| 14:48.34 | valdyn | joe6: man update-fonts-dir |
| 14:48.58 | joe6 | uri: http://gobase.org/dict/JIS/helponXfonts.html maybe. |
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| 14:51.11 | valdyn | joe6: ttf fonts seem to be easier to deal with |
| 14:51.30 | joe6 | /home/j/.fonts/profont-x11: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs |
| 14:51.37 | joe6 | still no luck. |
| 14:51.53 | joe6 | and I can see the fonts.dir and encoding.dir files in .fonts |
| 14:51.55 | valdyn | joe6: what changed that you would now hope to get a different result? |
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| 14:52.19 | joe6 | sudo update-fonts-dir /home/j/.fonts -- ran this. |
| 14:52.37 | valdyn | joe6: why the hell would you use sudo? |
| 14:52.58 | net_robber | <valdyn>, hi |
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| 14:53.53 | net_robber | is there any idea about your suggestion before can be auto |
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| 14:54.09 | valdyn | net_robber: that makes no sense |
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| 14:54.28 | valdyn | net_robber: i told you what to do. What else is there to say? |
| 14:54.48 | joe6 | valdyn, still does not read the fotns: http://codepad.org/d9zl4bSO http://codepad.org/0dJWBa9G |
| 14:55.04 | valdyn | joe6: i know..... |
| 14:55.23 | fossala | I'm tring to set up a mail server. I have got imap and incoming mail sorted but I'm stugling with sasl,postfix and smtp. I have tried it from icedove and get login fail. So I tried it from telnet and its all fine until I finish the mail and instead of sending I get "250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 6230EBBF9C" |
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| 14:55.40 | valdyn | joe6: can you get those fonts as ttf fonts? |
| 14:56.49 | net_robber | if i make a lot of copy, edit one by on may will cost much time |
| 14:57.11 | joe6 | valdyn, there are windows ttf fonts, let me try them. |
| 14:57.15 | valdyn | net_robber: so delete the generated file *before* you make a copy |
| 14:57.41 | valdyn | joe6: theres nothing windows specific about ttf |
| 14:58.40 | joe6 | ok, trying that. |
| 14:59.18 | net_robber | and for my lazy, i want the delete auto, so, the best way is make a delete when it rebooting |
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| 14:59.56 | net_robber | that is all i want |
| 15:00.04 | valdyn | net_robber: no, thats not the obvious solution |
| 15:00.30 | valdyn | net_robber: if you never want that file to be there then you dont let it change or you dont let it be created |
| 15:00.40 | joe6 | valdyn, thanks for your help. |
| 15:01.00 | net_robber | how |
| 15:01.09 | net_robber | it create whe udev start |
| 15:01.47 | net_robber | make udev not start? |
| 15:01.59 | net_robber | ok, i will try |
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| 15:02.28 | valdyn | net_robber: 1) remove all nics from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules 2) chattr +i /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 15:02.45 | josef__ | any reason why wheezy is missing mythtv? |
| 15:03.05 | valdyn | net_robber: or alternatively, edit or remove the file that generates that file |
| 15:03.24 | joe6 | anyone using schumacher fonts on debian? |
| 15:03.28 | joe6 | how did you get them? |
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| 15:03.40 | valdyn | !why is mythtv not in testing |
| 15:03.40 | dpkg | mythtv is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mythtv |
| 15:03.40 | joe6 | or,r where did you get them? |
| 15:03.47 | valdyn | joe6: ^^ |
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| 15:03.54 | valdyn | oops |
| 15:03.57 | valdyn | josef__: ^^ |
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| 15:05.03 | fossala | if I define the whole path with testsaslauthd with 'festsaslauthd -u me -p supersecret -f /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux -s smtp' it authenticates. I guess it's a problem with postfix talking to saslauthd but I cannot see where I have gone wrong :( |
| 15:05.10 | valdyn | joe6: http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts.php?fontauthor=5 is what you mean? |
| 15:05.13 | zykotick9 | josef__, myth is in d-m |
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| 15:05.33 | becker_11 | I'm trying to get gmrun to work from the menu it works fine from a terminal if type gmrun but wont work at all from the openbox menu even though the code is identical on both my machines and it works on the other machine |
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| 15:06.24 | joe6 | valdyn, thanks. i think so. |
| 15:06.40 | valdyn | joe6: and thats ttf it seems |
| 15:07.07 | valdyn | joe6: pcf is bitmap, im not sure youd want that anyway |
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| 15:07.32 | joe6 | ok, thanks. |
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| 15:07.46 | joe6 | valdyn, actually that pcf stuff was for a different font. |
| 15:07.59 | net_robber | valdyn, i had try chattr |
| 15:08.08 | net_robber | valdyn, it works |
| 15:08.12 | kmq | after I ran 'debootstrap --arch amd64 squeeze /mnt http://ftp.debian.org/debian' I have nothing in '/mnt/bin', as I was expecting |
| 15:08.16 | net_robber | valdyn, thank you |
| 15:08.25 | valdyn | !win net_robber |
| 15:08.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, net_robber! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:08.50 | kmq | shouldn't all these executables be installed ? |
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| 15:09.34 | valdyn | kmq: debootstrap is quite verbose, it should have told you what went wrong |
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| 15:10.45 | kmq | valdyn: that's what I thought, I can't find an errormessage though |
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| 15:13.31 | thewanderer1 | ,file fbclient |
| 15:13.34 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 15:15.33 | thewanderer1 | where do I find a Firebird shell? I remember having an utility called fbclient or so that gives me a FB shell. |
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| 15:17.56 | valdyn | thewanderer1: in firebirdx.y-common ? |
| 15:19.05 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: well, I don't see any client binary in the file list |
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| 15:20.45 | thewanderer1 | hmm maybe it's the isql-fb then |
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| 15:30.20 | Angelous | Just setup lighttpd, mysql, php5, etc. Now I'm trying to install phpbb and I keep getting this error that won't let me proceed. |
| 15:30.22 | Angelous | config.php: |
| 15:30.22 | Angelous | Found, Unwritable |
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| 15:30.41 | somiaj | Angelous: so follow the instructions and chmod 777 config.php |
| 15:30.49 | Angelous | Where is the config.php located? |
| 15:30.57 | valdyn | 777 geez |
| 15:31.14 | Angelous | fuck you, people. This is a help channel |
| 15:31.18 | Angelous | make fun of me |
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| 15:31.55 | Angelous | somiaj, could I pm you? |
| 15:31.59 | somiaj | valdyn: that is so when you go though the install php script it can write the settings to the config file, it wont' let you actually run the forum until you remove the isntall dir and turn the primisions back to normal |
| 15:32.21 | somiaj | Angelous: no, are you looking at the phpbb install howto, it clearly tells you where the file is located and this file (and others) you have to change prmisions to |
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| 15:32.32 | somiaj | Angelous: the file is located if I rember in the top level of your phpBB dir |
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| 15:34.19 | somiaj | valdyn: actually maybe your right, it just needs 666 (only rw- not rwx) |
| 15:34.39 | ansgar | somiaj: It doesn't need to be world-writable either, just writable by the right user. |
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| 15:34.56 | ansgar | Also for the Debian package, there should be some documentation in /usr/share/doc/phpbb3 |
| 15:34.57 | somiaj | ansgar: it needs to be writiable by the webserver |
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| 15:35.24 | somiaj | ansgar: just for the install part...once its been created it doesn't need to be writable at all. |
| 15:36.27 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to get a list of programs which are (partially) swapped out? |
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| 15:38.49 | spal | any command to find out which package installed /usr/bin/pdftex? |
| 15:40.22 | somiaj | spal: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 15:40.32 | spal | thanks |
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| 15:47.58 | spal | The lshort LaTeX document says that the latest LaTeX version is: LaTeX2e but 'aptitude show texlive' doesn't mention this information anywhere. How can I confirm the version of LaTeX on my system? |
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| 15:49.09 | somiaj | LaTeX2e is a standard that tetex provides. |
| 15:49.15 | somiaj | arg texlive now |
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| 15:49.41 | liangent | is there any kind of "default" firewall in debian? I cannot connect to myself with my external ip address but I can do it with 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:49.58 | liangent | but I can connect to another host |
| 15:50.09 | somiaj | by default no, but you could have installed one. |
| 15:50.09 | spal | somiaj, Isn't that information mentioned anywhere in the package info (aptitude show) or some binary --version? |
| 15:50.24 | somiaj | spal: check the docs in /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> |
| 15:50.42 | somiaj | spal: or go upstream and check the texlive documenation |
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| 15:51.50 | liangent | somiaj: I don't remember I did so at least explicitly. I did a dist-upgrade without careful examination of the list of packages |
| 15:52.06 | spal | somiaj, The upstream would show me the latest version. How do I understand which version is on my system? |
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| 15:52.42 | somiaj | liangent: what service can you only connect to via 127.0.0.1? |
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| 15:53.17 | somiaj | spal: seems they are versioned by the year they got the source, but if you look though /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> you get all the info about the packaging of texlive in debian |
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| 15:54.25 | thewanderer1 | liangent: assuming your service uses TCP over IP, see the output of "netstat -tl" - is your service listening on the correct interface? |
| 15:55.17 | somiaj | spal: I belive there is also a text command you can write, run latex on that .tex file and it will print out the latex compadability version. I'm not that familar on the detials of all the issues with livetex, but it isn't a simple package. The docs try to explain what is in debian and what isn't due to licenses |
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| 15:55.28 | liangent | somiaj: I only found 22(ssh) and 80(http) |
| 15:56.12 | Angelous | Hey, how do you uninstall something like phpmyadmin after it's already been apt-get'd? |
| 15:56.19 | somiaj | liangent: what version of debian did you dist-upgrade to? There should be no firewall being automatically installed. |
| 15:56.30 | somiaj | Angelous: apt-get remove ... or apt-get --purge remove |
| 15:56.33 | MrRoy_ | I'm having a "no screens found" when trying to startx. If I leave my xorg.conf empty it works, but I need to configure it because I have two monitors. My xorg.conf is http://pastebin.com/9nmij24D |
| 15:56.37 | liangent | thewanderer1: I'm listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:56.41 | somiaj | Angelous: the --purge is to remove any config files as well (sometimes you want to keep those around) |
| 15:56.48 | liangent | somiaj: wheezy |
| 15:57.02 | somiaj | liangent: check the bts, maybe there is a bug with the service you want. |
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| 15:57.47 | liangent | somiaj: that service is open by a script I'm coding |
| 15:58.06 | Angelous | I still keep getting a 404 not found. |
| 15:58.13 | Angelous | This is fucking annoying.... |
| 15:58.18 | spal | somiaj, okay |
| 15:59.25 | thewanderer1 | liangent: so how exactly are you sure that it's not working? are you getting a TCP RST? |
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| 16:02.24 | deathwing | again without audio on flash.. damn it. ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card -> what's wrong? my user is on audio group and I installed the plugin from official adobe labs |
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| 16:08.05 | liangent | thewanderer1: with netcat I can connect to it! but not with Iceweasel.. and I finally found it's because of proxy configure in iceweasel... |
| 16:09.13 | MrRoy_ | Could anyone help me with my "no screens found" problem I'm having when I startx? My xorg.conf is as follow : http://pastebin.com/9nmij24D |
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| 16:11.18 | rozie | MrRoy_: and xorg log? |
| 16:11.39 | MrRoy_ | rozie: I'll upload it to pastebin give me a sec |
| 16:11.54 | rozie | /var/log/Xorg.0.log exactly |
| 16:12.21 | MrRoy_ | rozie: http://pastebin.com/kM6FdZTJ |
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| 16:13.39 | rozie | MrRoy_: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 16:14.25 | MrRoy_ | rozie: Yes, but I'm using the radeonhd drivers (the previous pastebin said radeon but I changed it to radeonhd afterwards). The debian wiki says I need it even with radeon drivers |
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| 16:14.44 | rozie | and lspci output would be great |
| 16:14.52 | qknight | hihi. i want to remove an init script in my outdated debian installation. how to do that? |
| 16:15.04 | valdyn | qknight: with "rm" |
| 16:15.20 | qknight | update-rc.d <- is that correct? |
| 16:16.13 | rozie | qknight: purge on packet should remove it |
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| 16:17.23 | valdyn | MrRoy_: driver does not support your hardware. |
| 16:17.32 | rozie | MrRoy_: if it works with no xorg.conf, just generate the config and add what you need |
| 16:17.50 | rozie | valdyn: 17:56 < MrRoy_> I'm having a "no screens found" when trying to startx. If I leave my xorg.conf empty it works, but I need to configure it |
| 16:17.51 | MrRoy_ | rozie: Here's my lspci : http://pastebin.com/ySZ65Q6w |
| 16:18.05 | valdyn | rozie: sure, its using a different driver then |
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| 16:18.34 | MrRoy_ | valdyn, rozie: The radeonhd drivers don't support my card? |
| 16:18.45 | rozie | MrRoy_: X -configure should generate working config |
| 16:18.59 | valdyn | MrRoy_: so it seems |
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| 16:19.27 | valdyn | MrRoy_: why dont you run X -configure and look up which driver is used |
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| 16:20.49 | MrRoy_ | valdyn, rozie: does X -configure chance my xorg.conf file? Because it didn't. |
| 16:21.22 | MrRoy_ | And I'm unable to shift+pgup to read the whole log |
| 16:21.51 | astartoth | hi all, why do these errors appear: ata_id: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed |
| 16:22.15 | MrRoy_ | valdyn, rozie: Nevermind got it : http://pastebin.com/FMZAm3T5 |
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| 16:23.44 | qknight | valdyn: thanks, that works |
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| 16:24.34 | polytux | zup #debian |
| 16:25.20 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: -configure generates a new xorg.conf in the current directory. |
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| 16:26.30 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: When I do it, and then type 'dir' there's no xorg.conf file in the current directory |
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| 16:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: Dunno then. |
| 16:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: Which release? |
| 16:28.31 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: stable |
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| 16:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: It should give you a message saying what it's doing. |
| 16:30.14 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: X -configure? It gives me what is in the previous pastebin I linked (http://pastebin.com/FMZAm3T5) |
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| 16:32.04 | jhutchins_lt | We really should charge extra for reading log files. |
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| 16:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: You segfaulted after failing to find the framebuffer. |
| 16:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: /root/xorg.conf.new is the file, but it had nothing to write. |
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| 16:33.33 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: Meaning it should be empty? Because it has a lot of content right now, I'll pastebin it |
| 16:34.05 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/aKJ0hc20 |
| 16:34.38 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. |
| 16:34.51 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: What video chipset? What's it's pciid? |
| 16:35.14 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: You said it didn't create a file. |
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| 16:35.45 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: I wasn't in the right path, you said it created it in the current folder, but i wasn't in /root/. How do I check the pciid? |
| 16:35.49 | jeeves_moss | is there a way to convert in place a raidz-2 to a standard raidz in ZFS? |
| 16:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: lspci -nn |
| 16:36.23 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: command not found |
| 16:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: As root of course. |
| 16:36.44 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: I am root |
| 16:37.07 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: Oh nevermind |
| 16:37.13 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: Just a typo... |
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| 16:37.24 | jhutchins_lt | Computers are picky about that. |
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| 16:38.54 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: I'm not really sure what to look for... Here's what it outputs : http://pastebin.com/4Gbqyv4r |
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| 16:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 1002:6739 |
| 16:40.08 | judd | [1002:6739] is 'Barts PRO [ATI Radeon HD 6800 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6739 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 16:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 16:40.36 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 16:41.06 | mozakca | Emrah: merhaba |
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| 16:42.34 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: Start with the wiki pages. |
| 16:43.05 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: I don't know for sure why you're segfaulting |
| 16:43.21 | mozakca | mete: merhaba |
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| 16:44.25 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: Segfaulting? What does this have to do with my xorg.conf? |
| 16:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy_: It's in the output of your X -configure |
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| 16:46.03 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: Well... What should I do? I could try the generated xorg.conf.new file maybe? |
| 16:46.10 | jhutchins_lt | MrFrood: If you keep the discussion here you're more likely to pick up somebody who has had/solved problems with radeons. |
| 16:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | MrFrood: You could, but a segfault during configuration doesn't bode well. |
| 16:46.30 | MrFrood | *coughs* |
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| 16:46.52 | jhutchins_lt | MrFrood: Yup, |
| 16:47.05 | MrFrood | MrRoy_ perhaps? |
| 16:47.17 | MrFrood | :P |
| 16:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | MrFrood: Right. |
| 16:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | goes for more coffee. |
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| 16:48.14 | MrRoy_ | Haha :P |
| 16:48.49 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins_lt: Well, the generated xorg.conf file does the same "no screens found" error. |
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| 16:50.45 | Maarten | http://netbootcd.tuxfamily.org/ <-- ok so this is cool - it works too, I just tested it on a system with an old, old dvd rom drive, and it would always fail halfway through a cd install. This is a 10 Mb ISO that it loads fine, and the rest is done through ethernet. You can select from 7 distro's to download and install. |
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| 16:56.33 | lampe2 | hello i wanne reinstall mysql-server without losing data can i do this with just aptitude reinstall mysql-server? |
| 16:57.13 | HeXiLeD | backup the data |
| 16:57.18 | HeXiLeD | just in case |
| 16:57.33 | lampe2 | HeXiLeD, cant back it up |
| 16:57.48 | HeXiLeD | if you say so. |
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| 16:58.03 | lampe2 | i got the error code 13 and i cant fix it |
| 16:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | lampe2: How about backing up the data first? |
| 16:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | Why can't you back it up? |
| 16:59.09 | jhutchins_lt | Error code 13 in what? Where? |
| 16:59.25 | lampe2 | jhujhiti, #1 - Can't create/write to file '/tmp/#sql_1130_0.MYI' (Errcode: 13) |
| 16:59.28 | lampe2 | cause this |
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| 17:01.06 | jhutchins_lt | lampe2: More likely an error in one of the tables, but WHAT GAVE THAT ERROR? |
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| 17:01.30 | lampe2 | jhujhiti, its on all tables the mysql console and phpmyadmin |
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| 17:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | lampe2: Probably a problem with phpadmin then. |
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| 17:10.05 | lampe2 | jhujhiti, i got it right with the right tmp chmod |
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| 17:12.11 | xandoutNC | Is there a way to ensure that all users are added to the sudo group? I am using live-build and when I run the installer the user that I create cannot startx or use any sudo commands, also the user cannot access /tmp I have to use root to chmod 777 /tmp |
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| 17:13.22 | jhutchins | xandoutNC: Perhaps you are not using the system the way it was intended. |
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| 17:13.55 | xandoutNC | I am following the documentation. |
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| 17:14.20 | jhutchins | xandoutNC: Which documentation? |
| 17:14.39 | xandoutNC | http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/examples.html#tutorial-3 |
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| 17:15.12 | xandoutNC | i am using some of the tutorial3 and some of the KDE Installer section on the same page |
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| 17:15.52 | jhutchins | xandoutNC: You're using squeeze? |
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| 17:16.23 | xandoutNC | yes I believe so |
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| 17:17.35 | xandoutNC | http://pastebin.com/TzfUdw0G that is my config and commands |
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| 17:20.12 | xandoutNC | as root after install I can do anything i please but as any other user i can do nothing untill i add them to sudo and chmod /tmp. |
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| 17:27.51 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins: I found this regarding my problem about the segmentation fault : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38792 |
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| 17:28.13 | MrRoy_ | jhutchins: I think he fixed it but I'm not sure how |
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| 17:31.36 | GNU\colossus | is there a backported-to-stable build of enigmail available that works with the icedove 5 packages from mozilla.debian.net anywhere? |
| 17:32.55 | ompaul | backports because you need sns ;-) |
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| 17:33.15 | ompaul | GNU\colossus: I actually have no idea, but couldn't resist the line. |
| 17:33.32 | n0sq | it's kinda funny that sites using https link some of their webpage to non-https material - why even bother to use https in that situation? |
| 17:33.53 | GNU\colossus | what's sns? |
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| 17:36.01 | streuner | !sns |
| 17:36.02 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:40.49 | khem_ | i have some issues with recent Debian package of mrtg and snmp. In previous packages there was a list of possible SNMP MIBs for differetn data |
| 17:40.52 | khem_ | now i have no idea |
| 17:41.26 | ompaul | !sns |
| 17:41.27 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 17:41.38 | ompaul | GNU\colossus: sorry got into a debate here about something offtopic |
| 17:42.02 | ompaul | GNU\colossus: you can use that to compile it yourself |
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| 17:44.27 | aussa | hi, how do I enable 3.0 usb support? |
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| 17:45.57 | dimaursu16 | hi. can someone suggest me a book ( or a link ) for dealing with all what is inside /etc ? I mean configuration files. I'm used to archlinux (bsd way of configurations) and I don't really get it yet. |
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| 17:47.49 | dimaursu16 | all those file inside some rc2.d and folders like that seems strange to me....all that I found on websites was about beginner stuff ( installing , removing...) nothing which goes deep in explaining conf's file |
| 17:48.09 | phogg | dimaursu16: sysvinit is what you want to learn about |
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| 17:50.09 | dimaursu16 | I don't know :( I want to be able to enable and disable daemons , to configure gdm3, etc... |
| 17:50.45 | dimaursu16 | it seems so buried in those folders all this stuff.... |
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| 17:53.54 | jelly-home | well. /tmp ought to be mod 1777 from the start |
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| 17:55.55 | aussa | hi, how do I enable 3.0 usb support? |
| 17:56.11 | Khodam | like me ;) |
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| 17:59.13 | th0r | dimaursu16: you might want to look at the debian-policies and also at the info at the linux documentation project (tldp.org) |
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| 17:59.53 | dimaursu16 | thx |
| 18:00.49 | netkevin | Hey, guys. In Squeeze I noticed that when X failed to start it just retried repeatedly, effectively locking me out of the system. |
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| 18:01.12 | netkevin | Is there a way to make it not switch the VT when X is starting? |
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| 18:01.38 | aussa | how do I enable usb 3.0 support in debian squeeze? |
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| 18:01.40 | netkevin | If I had been able to log into the console I could have fixed it without having to go to a different machine and sshing in |
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| 18:01.47 | phogg | dimaursu16: man service, to start. It and the manuals it references cover most of it |
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| 18:04.09 | Aziroshin | What is that fake start-stop-daemon all about? |
| 18:04.18 | Aziroshin | I've read that there is a "REAL" file - what is the reason? |
| 18:04.27 | pbase | my booting time has gradually increased to more than 2 minutes (debian testing wheezy) |
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| 18:05.45 | pbase | is it normal? I have a new hardware running i3 processors |
| 18:06.22 | nkuttler | pbase: well read what's taking so long |
| 18:06.38 | netkevin | pbase: Hard to say without knowing what's using all the time |
| 18:06.40 | pbase | where and how |
| 18:06.52 | nkuttler | pbase: do you use some boot splash thing? |
| 18:07.08 | pbase | nkuttler: nothing plain simple debian |
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| 18:07.17 | nkuttler | then just read the console.. |
| 18:07.40 | pbase | where |
| 18:07.55 | netkevin | pbase: On your screen. There's text while booting, right? |
| 18:07.56 | nkuttler | on your monitor.. the little letters that scroll along during startup |
| 18:07.57 | Aziroshin | Like, when it says something like "starting mysql" and starts printing dots on end, it's an indication that there's something fishy with the startup of mysql. |
| 18:08.13 | pbase | aren't those logged somewhere? |
| 18:08.23 | dimaursu16 | there are real files, but they are somehow separated in folders by runlevels, or something like that...I dont completely understand that in Arch, if you want to enable a daemon you just add it to a daemons list in rc.conf (just one file for everthing ) |
| 18:08.32 | netkevin | pbase: I think you have to turn on boot logging to get that logged. |
| 18:08.48 | dimaursu16 | I missed one comma after "understand that".... |
| 18:09.07 | netkevin | pbase: Possibly in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 18:09.12 | pbase | thanks |
| 18:09.18 | nkuttler | pbase: it's probably spread across various logs, so looking at your monitor is easier |
| 18:09.18 | netkevin | pbase: Though I'm not sure exactly what that does. |
| 18:09.41 | nkuttler | especially if the boot freezes somewhen for 2 minutes |
| 18:09.54 | pbase | no it doesn't its smooth |
| 18:10.08 | pbase | only when the gui starts it takes the time |
| 18:10.20 | netkevin | pbase: But if it gets to the point of loading the GUI and sits there for a long time there probably won't be anything to see on the screen |
| 18:10.30 | nkuttler | pbase: which gui? |
| 18:10.39 | pbase | gbome |
| 18:10.42 | pbase | gnome |
| 18:10.53 | netkevin | pbase: I assume you mean before the login screen shows up? |
| 18:11.00 | netkevin | Or is logging in the slow part? |
| 18:11.24 | pbase | the screen resolutions are different at boot up and when the gui starts |
| 18:11.47 | pbase | I can tell by the change in screen resolution if the gui has started |
| 18:11.47 | netkevin | pbase: Of course the resolution changes. What are you getting at? |
| 18:11.50 | Odaym | I still haven't figured out the Volume Control problem; whenever I press on Volume Control, X crashes and I am back at the login screen; what the fuck! |
| 18:12.02 | pbase | netkevin: pbase: I assume you mean before the login screen shows up? |
| 18:12.02 | Odaym | how could one EVER cause that by accident? |
| 18:12.03 | aussa | how do I enable usb 3.0 support in debian squeeze? |
| 18:12.21 | nkuttler | Odaym: buggy sound drivers? |
| 18:12.23 | pbase | there is not login screen |
| 18:12.34 | pbase | I have disabled it to auto login |
| 18:12.38 | nkuttler | ouch |
| 18:12.41 | Odaym | what do you mean "buggy sound driver"? It's been working fine for 5+ months... |
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| 18:12.43 | netkevin | pbase: Oh, OK. |
| 18:12.58 | Odaym | it works when I go to Volume Control under Gnome/OpenBox |
| 18:12.58 | nkuttler | pbase: well, start by making a backup and then rm -rf ~/.gconf* etc |
| 18:13.03 | Odaym | but not the usual Gnome |
| 18:13.10 | netkevin | pbase: All the same, it's not really booting that is slow. It's either starting X or logging in, or both. |
| 18:13.32 | pbase | ther eis one thing though |
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| 18:14.07 | netkevin | pbase: You may want to narrow it down, possibly by disabling auto-login so you can see what the time is like before and after logging in. |
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| 18:14.56 | pbase | I do get this error on bootup console its like the 3-4th line just after starting |
| 18:14.57 | pbase | hci_cmd_timer: hci0 command tx timeout |
| 18:15.13 | netkevin | No idea what that means, pbase. |
| 18:15.17 | pbase | and it repetas afterwards |
| 18:15.24 | netkevin | I wouldn't assume it's the problem, though. |
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| 18:15.43 | netkevin | More likely is some startup app taking a long time. |
| 18:15.51 | Odaym | eh, always believed that Debian wasn't for the day-to-day desktop anyways |
| 18:16.01 | Odaym | it's been proving me right for 1.5+ years :P |
| 18:16.07 | netkevin | I'm focus on /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors, pbase |
| 18:16.15 | netkevin | s/I'm/I'd |
| 18:17.03 | th0r | Odaym: I have only been using debian for about six months, but my experience is the opposite. I use it as my only os, and it is much quicker than suse or ubuntu, and I like not having to keep updating |
| 18:17.04 | netkevin | I have to go now, good luck |
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| 18:17.24 | Odaym | depends on the way you use it, really |
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| 18:17.33 | Odaym | you can't expect my mother to run into trouble on a Debian machine |
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| 18:17.45 | nkuttler | debian is just fine as a desktop |
| 18:17.45 | Odaym | usage ...varies |
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| 18:18.19 | Odaym | sure, just like Linux is a great kernel |
| 18:18.27 | Odaym | same broad and overly-generalized statement |
| 18:18.48 | ompaul | Odaym: my father uses it, and my wife does, I do. Your comments after your question draw this comment from me. Are you up to the task? |
| 18:18.52 | nkuttler | Odaym: #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:19.26 | Odaym | up to what task? |
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| 18:19.53 | ompaul | installing it for them and explain to them that the alternative to whatever is great |
| 18:20.01 | pbase | will have to find out the log more carefully the next time. thanks guys I got to rush somewhere. |
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| 18:20.27 | Odaym | my mother uses Ubuntu, I don't have anything but Linux in this house; but this is about Debian and how well it fairs under extensive and heavy use |
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| 18:20.29 | ompaul | are you up to the task of guiding them how to do their general tasks |
| 18:20.41 | Odaym | I also administer 5+ Debian servers remotely |
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| 18:20.52 | ompaul | Odaym: fine, so it works. NEXT! |
| 18:21.00 | Odaym | hehe |
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| 18:21.04 | Odaym | alright |
| 18:21.42 | anAngel | Hello. Is it possible to upgrade from 32bit to 64bit? How about a cross-distro 32 to 64bit upgrade for example 32bit ubuntu to 64bit debian? |
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| 18:21.43 | ompaul | the apps they use are basically going to be the same, so I can't even see how the question arose in your mind, please let us leave it there. |
| 18:21.52 | pipeline | anAngel: no and no |
| 18:22.10 | Odaym | leave wherever you want to leave it, that was not even the point of discussion |
| 18:22.19 | pipeline | anAngel: your best bet is to reinstall in place, or to backup /home, reinstall, and go from there |
| 18:22.23 | ompaul | anAngel: yes it is called the fresh install upgrade following a backup of your data |
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| 18:24.58 | ompaul | Odaym: if you had a point #debian-offtopic would be the place to raise it, I'm there also, with my devastating wit and bon viveur |
| 18:25.17 | Odaym | haha |
| 18:25.21 | Odaym | right on |
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| 18:28.37 | anAngel | Thanks for all the answers. But i will wait some time and ask again if someone else answers |
| 18:29.43 | ompaul | well done you :-) |
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| 18:30.22 | ompaul | anAngel: the answer does not change. You can't do it, at least not in a way that allows you use the machine afterward. |
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| 18:31.08 | ompaul | anAngel: the answer does not change. You can't do it, at least not in a way that allows you use the machine afterward. |
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| 18:37.46 | homekevin | So I just discovered that my computer won't boot (or even complete POST) when my new mouse is connected. How awesome is that? |
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| 18:38.58 | ompaul | homekevin: try a different port and it is 83.2147% awesome |
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| 18:39.39 | homekevin | I was going to try updating my BIOS. There is a mention of USB mouse compatibility fixes in a newer version. |
| 18:40.06 | homekevin | I guess I could try a different port |
| 18:40.16 | ompaul | it might be easier than the bios |
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| 18:40.33 | homekevin | It's certainly an easier thing to try |
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| 18:42.38 | homekevin | By the way, has anyone here tried flashrom for BIOS updates? |
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| 18:43.24 | homekevin | I have no specific question, just curious about others' experiences with it. |
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| 19:07.09 | alexxio | hey, hi! do you know a way to start an xserver on a remote machine? i disaled the X autostart at boot on my server and now i need an xserver running on it...can you help? |
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| 19:09.08 | ompaul | alexxio: you might tell people how you stopped the X autostart, you might also tell them which version of debian, you might then find if someone actually knows how to do it, they will tell you but right now, you have not given enough information |
| 19:09.41 | lampe2 | hey i got some problem with apache2 on "apache2 -t" this comes: apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
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| 19:10.10 | th0r | ompaul: actually, right now the answer to alexxio's question is 'yes' |
| 19:10.33 | ompaul | th0r: correct, how remiss of me. |
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| 19:12.12 | ompaul | lampe2: so what's the version |
| 19:12.19 | ompaul | !ask= |
| 19:12.21 | ompaul | !ask |
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| 19:12.38 | lampe2 | ompaul, Server version: Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) |
| 19:12.57 | ompaul | lampe2: eh of debian |
| 19:13.08 | ompaul | ,versions apache2 |
| 19:13.08 | judd | Package apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny10; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze2~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze3; sid: 2.2.20-1; wheezy: 2.2.20-1 |
| 19:13.43 | ompaul | lampe2: and you don't get anywhere with service apache2 start? |
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| 19:14.13 | lampe2 | ompaul, the service is running but when i do: apache -S or apache -t i got that error |
| 19:14.28 | jelly-home | lampe2: and apache2ctl -S as well? |
| 19:15.04 | lampe2 | jelly-home, no |
| 19:15.22 | lampe2 | jelly-home, this works |
| 19:15.48 | jelly-home | lampe2: use that, then. zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 19:18.01 | alexxio | ahahaah you're right |
| 19:18.04 | alexxio | sorry for delay |
| 19:18.20 | alexxio | th0r: ompaul: i'll be clearer |
| 19:18.37 | nvz | how can I pin a single package to its current verion in squeeze? |
| 19:18.37 | alexxio | debian lenny |
| 19:18.54 | alexxio | didn't remember how i stopped x autostart (some guide followed in internet) |
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| 19:19.43 | ompaul | alexxio: start with this one /etc/init.d/gdm start (based on a lot of assumptions and you didn't tell us stuff like if you have gdm installed) |
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| 19:19.54 | ompaul | alexxio: also history might tell you how you stopped it |
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| 19:21.57 | nvz | ah I guess little has changed other than fragmented config files |
| 19:22.39 | alexxio | i installed xfce |
| 19:23.24 | alexxio | sorry xfvm |
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| 19:27.40 | alexxio | ompaul: it isnot working |
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| 19:30.10 | alexxio | i get this: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key18/09/2011 21:28:56 XOpenDisplay(":0") failed |
| 19:30.21 | alexxio | when trying to run X11vnc |
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| 19:33.41 | ompaul | alexxio: now, you asked one thing, and meant another |
| 19:33.51 | alexxio | yes i know |
| 19:33.57 | alexxio | but those are related :D |
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| 19:34.09 | sylr | Hi, is it possible to increase the number of nfsd threads without restarting the nfs server ? |
| 19:34.13 | ompaul | alexxio: I can't work on that kind of questioning and answering. |
| 19:34.21 | alexxio | sorry |
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| 19:34.29 | alexxio | i ll explain better |
| 19:34.43 | ompaul | alexxio: you can fix the computer by bringing it here to me and I'll work on it. |
| 19:34.54 | ompaul | is that reasonable? |
| 19:35.03 | alexxio | i want to run x11vnc but i have not an xserver running on it. i can only connect via ssh (i'm logged in now) |
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| 19:35.22 | ompaul | alexxio: you have not given enough info. |
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| 19:36.52 | alexxio | ompaul, what infos can i add? |
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| 19:40.21 | ompaul | alexxio: is X running on the other machine? forget about connections for a while |
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| 19:40.49 | alexxio | my client has x running |
| 19:41.04 | ompaul | dum deee dummmmm |
| 19:41.11 | alexxio | i'm working on my laptop, ubuntu with gnome |
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| 19:41.25 | ompaul | again not what I asked |
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| 19:41.38 | ompaul | don't care if you using cygwin on a windows box |
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| 19:42.05 | ompaul | is the debian box running X yes / no / don't know |
| 19:42.15 | alexxio | ok so you meant the server one, i don't know if X is running, neither the client nore the server |
| 19:42.23 | alexxio | :P |
| 19:42.39 | alexxio | ths says ps aux | grep X : xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc :0 -auth /tmp/serverauth.E7QG6PLpkO |
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| 19:42.52 | ompaul | and sticking your tongue out at me is so productive |
| 19:42.57 | alexxio | /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp :0 -auth /tmp/serverauth.E7QG6PLpkO |
| 19:43.07 | alexxio | (this was also ps aux | grep X) |
| 19:43.11 | ompaul | so X is running on the box |
| 19:43.15 | ompaul | fantastic |
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| 19:43.32 | alexxio | :D |
| 19:43.32 | ompaul | is it in the same room / building as the laptop |
| 19:43.41 | alexxio | nope, only remote ssh |
| 19:48.40 | ompaul | alexxio: so please try this ssh -X username@farip iceweasel |
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| 19:48.57 | ompaul | alexxio: and I hope you can parse that line correctly |
| 19:49.04 | alexxio | ahahah yes i will |
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| 19:50.38 | ompaul | alexxio: which user on your box tried to loginto the vnc? |
| 19:50.49 | ompaul | alexxio: which user on your box tried to loginto the vnc session on the remote machine |
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| 19:51.19 | alexxio | the user is the same both from client and server |
| 19:51.34 | ompaul | what was the question |
| 19:51.47 | ompaul | what did I ask you? |
| 19:52.11 | alexxio | which user: the user is alexxio |
| 19:52.20 | ompaul | why was that so hard? |
| 19:52.25 | ompaul | head desks |
| 19:52.57 | ompaul | alexxio: is vnc running on the far machine? |
| 19:53.20 | alexxio | no, it give some errors |
| 19:53.24 | jimerickson | xnxx.com |
| 19:53.33 | ompaul | spam? |
| 19:53.51 | ompaul | alexxio: so then how do you propose to connect to it? |
| 19:54.13 | ompaul | alexxio: why are you only giving information one bread crumb at a time? |
| 19:54.46 | ompaul | goes to work on my own stuff cheers |
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| 19:56.00 | alexxio | mmmh, let me understand... i did x11vnc -usepw -display :0 |
| 19:56.00 | alexxio | it said x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0", |
| 19:57.03 | alexxio | sorry thank you for your time |
| 19:57.04 | alexxio | good bye |
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| 20:01.28 | Matt- | Hello |
| 20:01.37 | Matt- | is vmware-player on your repos? it's not here (Debian testing) |
| 20:03.10 | rozie | Matt-: no. |
| 20:03.53 | Matt- | hmm |
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| 20:05.34 | Matt- | maybe I have to add any repository to my source.list |
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| 20:22.15 | homekevin | Matt-: The only vmware package I see is vmware-view-open-client, and I have the non-free, contrib, and debian-multimedia repositories enabled |
| 20:22.54 | Matt- | yep, me too |
| 20:22.56 | homekevin | So I'm not sure where one would find the player package |
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| 20:24.07 | Matt- | I'm already downloading it from the official webpage, I couldn't find it anywhere else |
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| 20:25.43 | thewanderer1 | you'd better convert your VM images to VirtualBox or KVM format... VMware's a mess |
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| 20:26.54 | homekevin | I haven't exactly been wildly happy with VirtualBox either |
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| 20:27.42 | nfk | debian testing fails to boot |
| 20:27.52 | homekevin | Unfortunately I have a Windows host at work. |
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| 20:27.57 | cheapie | nfk: Any errors? |
| 20:27.59 | nfk | looks like something to do with video (ATI/AMD R620, iirc) |
| 20:28.00 | nfk | no |
| 20:28.01 | homekevin | nfk: Not for me |
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| 20:28.08 | nfk | just static snow on display |
| 20:28.14 | homekevin | Whoa. |
| 20:28.21 | nfk | it's fine until it tries to do something with graphics |
| 20:28.26 | cheapie | nfk: Is this a live CD or an install? |
| 20:28.29 | nfk | install |
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| 20:28.41 | cheapie | nfk: What bootloader are you using? |
| 20:28.49 | nfk | grub2 had to install manually via chroot |
| 20:29.02 | cheapie | nfk: Are you able to access the GRUB menu? |
| 20:29.04 | nfk | did grub-install and then update-grub |
| 20:29.06 | nfk | yes |
| 20:29.14 | Matt- | thewanderer1, the problem is I tried to run the ISO (it's a BlackTrack live CD) on VBox but it doesn't work (it crash when it tries to start KDE) |
| 20:29.20 | Alligeu | hi |
| 20:29.21 | homekevin | nfk: To clarify, does it boot but fail to start X? |
| 20:29.27 | Alligeu | why does insmod -f blub say: "-f" not a file or directory?? |
| 20:29.35 | nfk | i don't think it should be launching X at that point yet |
| 20:29.36 | cheapie | nfk: Try starting in recovery mode. |
| 20:29.42 | nfk | cheapie, i already did |
| 20:29.45 | thewanderer1 | Matt-: try KVM then if you have hardware virt... why do you need backtrack anyway? |
| 20:29.45 | Alligeu | description is failing |
| 20:29.49 | cheapie | nfk: And...? |
| 20:29.59 | nfk | as i said, it looks like it fails right when it tries to switch to video mode from text mode |
| 20:30.03 | homekevin | Alligeu: I would guess it doesn't accept a -f option |
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| 20:30.13 | cheapie | nfk: Have you checked the X logs? |
| 20:30.13 | Alligeu | insmod [-fhkLmnpqrsSvVxXyYN] [-e persist_name] [-o module_name] [-O blob_name] [-P prefix] module [ symbol=value ... ] |
| 20:30.17 | nfk | cheapie, no |
| 20:30.19 | nfk | it hangs |
| 20:30.22 | Alligeu | but it fails on that |
| 20:30.33 | nfk | doesn't react to even SysRq |
| 20:30.46 | cheapie | nfk: But are you able to access a bash shell in recovery mode? |
| 20:31.02 | nfk | how? |
| 20:31.02 | Alligeu | tc@box:~$ sudo insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33.3-tinycore/misc/quickcam.ko --force insmod: can't insert '/lib/modules/2.6.33.3-tinycore/misc/quickcam.ko': invalid module format |
| 20:31.06 | homekevin | Alligeu: where did you get that? I see no --help output, nor any options listed in the man page |
| 20:31.14 | nfk | i don't see any obvious way to do that |
| 20:31.21 | Alligeu | http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_insmod.htm |
| 20:31.22 | Alligeu | here |
| 20:31.27 | Matt- | thewanderer1, ok, I'm installing KVM. I need to run an application in that environment |
| 20:31.32 | Alligeu | ive used quickcam a year ago successfully in debian hm |
| 20:31.42 | Alligeu | but now i cant insmod the module |
| 20:31.49 | Alligeu | and the force option is gone? hmmm |
| 20:31.49 | cheapie | nfk: When you boot in recovery mode, do you get a prompt similar to "root@(hostname)~#"? |
| 20:31.50 | thewanderer1 | Alligeu: have you noticed that the module is for 2.6.33.3-tinycore? |
| 20:32.00 | nfk | cheapie, no, i get static snow |
| 20:32.00 | Alligeu | it is for a little bit older kernel |
| 20:32.07 | Alligeu | but --force should do the trick |
| 20:32.11 | nfk | and it looks like the system totally freezes |
| 20:32.19 | nfk | or debian has disabled SysRq |
| 20:32.20 | Matt- | argh! Module kvm_amd failed to load ... failed! |
| 20:32.25 | cheapie | nfk: Hmm. In that case, do you have a working install CD? |
| 20:32.26 | Alligeu | because i cant compile it for my kernel |
| 20:32.31 | nfk | cheapie, netinstall |
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| 20:32.51 | thewanderer1 | Alligeu: if it doesn't compile, it won't work either |
| 20:33.06 | cheapie | nfk: That's OK. You will need to start the installer in expert mode. Can you do that? |
| 20:33.08 | Alligeu | the .ko file is not compiled by me |
| 20:33.08 | nfk | i can also use usb stick with sysresccd |
| 20:33.11 | homekevin | nfk: Are you saying you get snow even when X doesn't attempt to load? |
| 20:33.15 | Alligeu | it was for a little bit older kernel |
| 20:33.18 | Matt- | is it the same as qemu? |
| 20:33.22 | Alligeu | it would work but --force doesnt exist anymore hm |
| 20:33.27 | nfk | cheapie, i already did and i think you missed the part where i chrooted and installed grub2 by hand |
| 20:33.41 | thewanderer1 | Alligeu: don't try to load a module for another kernel version |
| 20:33.47 | nfk | e.g i'm not exactly a noob |
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| 20:33.51 | thewanderer1 | just compile it for your current version |
| 20:34.07 | cheapie | nfk: Well, is it possible to load the installer, execute a shell, and review the logs so we can see what's happening? |
| 20:34.17 | nfk | though my experience with debian is only about half a year and that was when 3.5 or 3.6 came out |
| 20:34.17 | thewanderer1 | nfk: so it hangs on X start? or when GRUB initializes the console? O.o |
| 20:34.29 | nfk | cheapie, okay |
| 20:34.37 | nfk | thewanderer1, the later i suspect |
| 20:34.38 | Matt- | thewanderer1, it's worse in kvm than in VBox :P |
| 20:34.57 | thewanderer1 | Matt-: blame Backtrack, Debian works perfectly well for me... :P |
| 20:35.10 | Matt- | never mind, it's booting now |
| 20:35.12 | Matt- | let me see |
| 20:35.17 | homekevin | nfk: My guess would be that something goes wrong in the framebuffer driver. Maybe you can force it to use something else. |
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| 20:35.54 | thewanderer1 | nfk: do you get through GRUB? at which stage exactly is the failure? |
| 20:35.57 | Alligeu | hm |
| 20:36.20 | cheapie | nfk: Has it booted yet? |
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| 20:37.25 | nfk | <thewanderer1> nfk: do you get through GRUB? at which stage exactly is the failure? <--- during bootup, i suspect it happens when it tries to initialize the GPU to video mode from text mode |
| 20:37.35 | nfk | cheapie, booting right now |
| 20:37.45 | nfk | btw, does debian desktop mean gnome2? |
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| 20:37.59 | cheapie | nfk: ...yes? |
| 20:38.23 | homekevin | GNOME 2 is the default desktop, if that's what you mean |
| 20:38.52 | thewanderer1 | hm, maybe a better question would be, what is the last message that you see before it fails? |
| 20:39.25 | Matt- | Connection reset by peer: unable to connect to X server |
| 20:39.29 | nfk | thewanderer1, none, it does kernel stuff and then it goes to static snow |
| 20:39.30 | Matt- | it doesn't work anyway :P |
| 20:39.51 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 20:39.53 | homekevin | "cooling pumps offline - meltdown eminent" |
| 20:40.02 | HardDisk_WP | whats a good program to edit po/mo files on commandline? |
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| 20:40.12 | n-iCe | hello, how can I get the whole list of devices connnected in my router? and the host name of them? |
| 20:40.23 | homekevin | Vim is a good editor for everything! |
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| 20:41.54 | cheapie | HardDisk_WP: (thanks to BestBot for the data) The BESTEST text editor is vim, because 29 people (41%) said so! Follow in order, nano (12 votes, 17%), gedit (11 votes, 15%), emacs (7 votes, 10%), kate (7 votes, 10%), geany (2 votes, 3%), cream (1 votes, 1%), mousepad, ed, leafpad |
| 20:42.10 | nfk | okay, cheapie, thewanderer1, i'm seeing oomk |
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| 20:42.17 | nfk | reading more of that log |
| 20:42.31 | HardDisk_WP | cheapie, that stuff is binary files... |
| 20:42.37 | HardDisk_WP | i need a commandline translator |
| 20:42.45 | homekevin | Oh, man. Emacs lost out to nano. That's gotta hurt. |
| 20:42.46 | cheapie | HardDisk_WP: Please wait... |
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| 20:43.13 | nfk | oh sorry |
| 20:43.16 | nfk | that's sysrq help |
| 20:43.17 | HardDisk_WP | and you missed joe in your list of editors ^^ |
| 20:43.35 | nfk | cheapie, thewanderer1 there is no obvious errors in syslog |
| 20:44.05 | cheapie | nfk: Try chrooting into the installed system and starting X. |
| 20:44.20 | homekevin | nfk: Unless you've established that X was not starting, maybe check Xorg.0.log |
| 20:44.22 | Dulak | emacs users were trying to figure out the proper key chords to vote. |
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| 20:44.43 | nfk | the second to last entry is about /home being re-mounted and then two minutes latere there's a sysrq help message |
| 20:44.49 | cheapie | homekevin: He said it doesn't work in single-user mode either. |
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| 20:45.07 | nfk | homekevin, i'm EXTREMELY CERTAIN IT'S WAY BEFORE INIT |
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| 20:45.19 | nfk | cheapie, ^ |
| 20:45.26 | homekevin | Before init? |
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| 20:45.39 | nfk | since when has debian level been so low? |
| 20:45.39 | cheapie | nfk: Init is the first process to start. |
| 20:45.45 | nfk | cheapie, duh |
| 20:46.13 | nfk | i'm telling you this is right after kernel remounts / and /home as rw |
| 20:46.23 | nfk | last time i checked init is done after that |
| 20:46.44 | nfk | oh hell |
| 20:46.50 | cheapie | nfk: ??? |
| 20:46.54 | nfk | ''ll just ask the debian developer i know |
| 20:46.59 | nfk | i'll |
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| 20:48.33 | thewanderer1 | remounting /home as rw is done after init starts, I'm completely sure |
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| 20:49.03 | cheapie | thewanderer1: Yes...it needs mount for that, and that can't run without init. |
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| 20:49.39 | homekevin | The kernel probably doesn't need mount(1), just mount(2) |
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| 20:50.06 | homekevin | But I don't know much about the early boot process |
| 20:50.06 | cheapie | homekevin: But that still probably needs init. |
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| 20:50.31 | homekevin | cheapie: I don't see why |
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| 20:50.39 | bernhard2 | Cant seem to resolve these errors.. E: Encountered a section with no Package: header E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.nl.kernel.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-amd64_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 20:50.49 | bernhard2 | Tried: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf and sudo apt-get update |
| 20:51.10 | homekevin | bernhard2: Might be bad files on the mirror |
| 20:51.13 | nfk | thewanderer1, cheapie, oh sorry, you're right |
| 20:51.35 | homekevin | bernhard2: In fact, I thought kernel.org was down |
| 20:51.41 | homekevin | It got hacked recently |
| 20:52.00 | un214 | homekevin: well in theory the kernel only needs mount(2) which it has, but only for the root filesystem |
| 20:52.08 | un214 | everything else requires mount(1) |
| 20:52.13 | bernhard2 | <homekevin> how should i remove them ? |
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| 20:52.21 | un214 | and udev normally requires initramfs anyway |
| 20:52.22 | nfk | actually maybe it's really time for X at that point |
| 20:52.26 | homekevin | If you say so, un214. |
| 20:52.31 | thewanderer1 | nfk: yes, looks so |
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| 20:52.53 | homekevin | bernhard2: Go to /etc/apt/ and check the content of sources.list. |
| 20:52.59 | thewanderer1 | nfk: if you run it in single-user mode ("recovery" entry in GRUB), does it happen too? |
| 20:53.10 | homekevin | bernhard2: If it isn't there, look at the .list files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 20:53.32 | homekevin | bernhard2: But you might need to replace, not remove. |
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| 20:54.01 | homekevin | bernhard2: Looks like it's your main debian repository, so you wouldn't want that completely removed. |
| 20:54.05 | Alligeu | STV(i): usb camera driver version v0.25 registering stv680: v0.25:STV0680 USB Camera Driver |
| 20:54.11 | Alligeu | how can i use the camera now? |
| 20:54.56 | thewanderer1 | Alligeu: try: mplayer tv:// |
| 20:55.01 | homekevin | Alligeu: First you take off your clothes |
| 20:55.33 | homekevin | After that it depends on the camera. |
| 20:55.39 | Alligeu | mplayer tv:// gives output from the notebook camera |
| 20:55.55 | Alligeu | i need output from the other camere which i have attached on a device |
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| 20:56.10 | Alligeu | why does tv use the wrong camera? how can i user the other one? |
| 20:56.26 | nfk | <thewanderer1> nfk: if you run it in single-user mode ("recovery" entry in GRUB), does it happen too? <--- yes |
| 20:56.52 | bernhard2 | <homekevin> these are in the list: deb http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 20:56.52 | bernhard2 | deb-src http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:56.52 | bernhard2 | # squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:57.11 | homekevin | bernhard2: Don't do that again. |
| 20:57.15 | nfk | thewanderer1, to my surprise there indeed is an X log but there are no fatal errors |
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| 20:57.25 | homekevin | Use a pastebin, don't paste into the channel |
| 20:57.27 | bernhard2 | <homekevin> what should i uncomment or add to keep it working ? |
| 20:57.34 | nfk | the only EE are about synaptics not findin a touchpad |
| 20:58.02 | hugo___ | im investigating on how ftp cmd can list a server dir when the server does not allow/recognize LIST, does anyone know? Where can i find the source? |
| 20:58.50 | homekevin | bernhard2: I'd say you need to replace all the kernel.org lines with a different mirror. |
| 20:59.17 | homekevin | bernhard2: The list of mirrors is here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:59.36 | bernhard2 | <homekevin> oke looking into it |
| 20:59.44 | homekevin | bernhard2: Are you in the Netherlands? |
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| 21:02.55 | homekevin | Not that that really matters, just choose a mirror that is near you |
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| 21:04.37 | petern_ | hmm, trying to install Xorg on an acer aspire one D250. xserver-xorg-video-intel appears to be the right driver, but it ends up with (EE) No devices detected... |
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| 21:05.58 | valdyn | hugo___: source of what? |
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| 21:06.36 | hugo___ | valdyn, well the command line ftp client |
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| 21:06.50 | homekevin | hugo___: The source code for ftp? It depends on which ftp client you are using. |
| 21:07.00 | valdyn | hugo___: who still uses that command? |
| 21:07.16 | homekevin | hugo___: But usually you can do apt-get source <package-name> |
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| 21:07.23 | valdyn | hugo___: i dont get why your ftp server wont support ls |
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| 21:07.39 | valdyn | hugo___: maybe your tried typing "LIST", that may very well not work |
| 21:08.06 | hugo___ | 500 'ls': Command not understood |
| 21:08.15 | hugo___ | :/ |
| 21:08.23 | hugo___ | QUOT string not accepted: ls |
| 21:08.43 | homekevin | hugo___: I think you need to investigate your server then, not your client. |
| 21:08.59 | hugo___ | nlist, NLST or LIST either. so thats why im curious how curl or the command line ftp client can list the content |
| 21:09.07 | nfk | thewanderer1, i made it use vesa but it still ends up with that static snow |
| 21:09.13 | valdyn | hugo___: passive mode |
| 21:09.21 | nfk | i think i'll just look for yet another distro |
| 21:09.27 | hugo___ | PASV |
| 21:09.27 | hugo___ | < 227 Entering Passive Mode (127,0,0,1,142,89) |
| 21:09.27 | hugo___ | > ls |
| 21:09.27 | hugo___ | < 500 'ls': Command not understood. |
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| 21:09.27 | valdyn | hugo___: i take it its not a public ftp server that we could try? |
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| 21:10.09 | hugo___ | sorry |
| 21:10.15 | petern_ | erm... wth... after a reboot it works :S |
| 21:10.27 | hugo___ | valdyn: nah its just a localhost glftpd |
| 21:10.32 | hugo___ | ftp explicit |
| 21:10.34 | homekevin | hugo___: I think it would be easier to use strace or tcpdump to see what's happening |
| 21:11.24 | mrtnt | If I do "apt-cache depends snmpd" I can see, that following packages are required for snmpd: http://pastebin.com/vBNkgfDJ However, even if I do: "apt-get -s install --no-install-recommends snmpd" I see lot more packages under "The following extra packages will be installed:". Is it possible to install snmpd without any additional packages other than strict dependencies? |
| 21:11.47 | hugo___ | valdyn, homekevin: http://pastebin.com/Lh1USyxU |
| 21:12.13 | homekevin | mrtnt: I think that's what you did by saying --no-install-recommends |
| 21:12.21 | hugo___ | homekevin: il look at tcpdump |
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| 21:12.35 | homekevin | mrtnt: The dependencies include dependencies of dependencies, all the way down. |
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| 21:13.21 | valdyn | hugo___: notice the ssl/tls ? |
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| 21:13.28 | hugo___ | valdyn: yes |
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| 21:13.45 | valdyn | hugo___: so you need a client that supports that |
| 21:13.53 | hugo___ | valdyn: well i have |
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| 21:13.58 | hugo___ | thats why i get connected |
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| 21:14.09 | mroe_ | Is there a point in listing both the domain line and the search line in resolv.conf? |
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| 21:14.20 | hugo___ | valdyn: or even do a succesfull CWD |
| 21:15.11 | hugo___ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:16.45 | valdyn | hugo___: what about switching to asci mode? |
| 21:17.52 | hugo___ | valdyn, < 500 'ASCII': Command not understood. |
| 21:18.00 | valdyn | "asci" |
| 21:18.21 | valdyn | all the same.. |
| 21:18.26 | hugo___ | < 500 'asci': Command not understood. |
| 21:18.46 | hugo___ | or ascii |
| 21:19.17 | hugo___ | wierd |
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| 21:19.46 | hugo___ | why it is wierd, is that curl or for example ftp from terminal or filezilla can list the dirs somehow |
| 21:21.00 | mrtnt | homekevin: so if I execute "apt-get -s install --no-install-recommends snmpd" I don't install lm-sensors which is a "recommended" package? |
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| 21:22.13 | homekevin | mrtnt: I would think that you would not install "recommended-only" packages with that command. |
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| 21:24.24 | mrtnt | homekevin: ok, so in this case "lm-sensors" is not installed: http://pastebin.com/6Lwy5LXY |
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| 21:26.04 | homekevin | mrtnt: Yes, lm-sensors is *not* listed in the packages that are being installed. |
| 21:26.26 | homekevin | It is mentioned as a recommendation, but not a new package. |
| 21:26.56 | homekevin | libsensors4 is being installed, however. I don't know why. |
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| 21:27.23 | homekevin | Oh, yes I do. It's a dependency of libsnmp15 |
| 21:27.37 | mrtnt | homekevin: exactly, it's a dependency of libsnmp15 :) |
| 21:28.10 | homekevin | Seems rather dumb that libsensors4 recommends lm-sensors at all. |
| 21:28.48 | mrtnt | homekevin: what about suggested packages? As I understand, apt-get does not install suggested packages by default, but is there a flag to forse apt-get install suggested packages as well? |
| 21:28.59 | homekevin | Packagers seem to be rather loose with their use of recommends |
| 21:29.15 | homekevin | mrtnt: I don't know off the top of my head |
| 21:29.24 | homekevin | You could check the man page |
| 21:29.39 | homekevin | I don't actually use apt-get, I use aptitude. |
| 21:29.53 | homekevin | Although, I don't know whether aptitude has that option either. |
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| 21:30.49 | astartoth | maybe apt-get install xxx --install-suggests (man apt-get) |
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| 21:32.35 | vsmatck2 | Hm. Been trying to mount a floppy drive for 2 hours. I figure it's time to ask. I don't have /dev/fd0. I have a directory called /dev/fd with some stuff in it though. |
| 21:32.52 | vsmatck2 | Is there anything different about mounting a floppy in squeeze? |
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| 21:33.27 | homekevin | It's been a long time since I tried to mount a floppy |
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| 21:33.39 | homekevin | what's in /dev/fd? |
| 21:34.00 | homekevin | I wouldn't be too surprised if you can use /dev/fd/0 |
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| 21:34.16 | vsmatck2 | 4 sym links. One looks like "lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Sep 18 13:10 0 -> /dev/pts/0" |
| 21:34.24 | mrtnt | homekevin, astartoth: I think this would do the thing: apt-get -s install --no-install-recommends -o APT::Install-Suggests=true snmpd |
| 21:34.35 | vsmatck2 | I tried mounting that with "mount -t vfat /dev/fd/0 /media/floppy0". Said it wasn't a block device. |
| 21:35.06 | homekevin | vsmatck2: Yeah, that doesn't *look* like a block device. It looks like a tty |
| 21:35.14 | vsmatck2 | agree |
| 21:35.39 | homekevin | vsmatck2: Which makes me think some udev setting is all wrong |
| 21:35.58 | homekevin | Creating the wrong symlink |
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| 21:36.20 | vsmatck2 | Hm. Looking at my udev settings. |
| 21:36.25 | mrtnt | homekevin: astartoth: so in case one would like to install all the dependencies, recommendations and suggestions, a following command will do this: http://pastebin.com/5TzF7D30 Am I correct? |
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| 21:36.47 | astartoth | output of smartctl -a /dev/sdb |
| 21:36.48 | astartoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.16 | astartoth | can anyone tell me if I should be worried? |
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| 21:37.34 | Chris64 | I've a serious problem with installing Debian 6.0.2.1 on whole disk lvm. it says that /dev/log already exists and new groupname "log" is invalid. ?! |
| 21:37.52 | spowers | cannot find xmms in main. what's the next best thing? |
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| 21:38.43 | astartoth | audacious? |
| 21:39.17 | homekevin | astartoth: Well, the fact that it has that in the output doesn't mean anything. It's always there. |
| 21:39.31 | homekevin | astartoth: The interpretation of the specific values is more tricky |
| 21:39.43 | astartoth | where can I paste the whole log? |
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| 21:40.04 | peterrooney | spowers: xine, mplayer for example |
| 21:40.06 | homekevin | astartoth: see the channel topic |
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| 21:40.22 | spowers | astartoth, peterrooney: thanks |
| 21:40.39 | homekevin | dpkg: tell astartoth about pastebin |
| 21:40.40 | astartoth | homekevin: thanks |
| 21:41.15 | peterrooney | spowers: xmms has been deprecated in favour of xmms2 which is a giant morass of "read 10,00 pages of documentation before you can play one file" |
| 21:41.24 | homekevin | astartoth: I'm reviewing the smartctl docs to remember what the numbers mean, but the whole log might help |
| 21:41.28 | spowers | so xmms2 is not really much of a successor |
| 21:41.37 | mrtnt | astartoth: yes, if you have reallocated sectors(SMART ID 5) value >0 you should be somewhat worried. |
| 21:41.45 | peterrooney | !paste |
| 21:41.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>, <nopaste>. |
| 21:41.48 | th0r | spowers: xmms became audacious |
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| 21:42.47 | astartoth | http://paste.debian.net/130863/ |
| 21:43.08 | astartoth | the whole log after a smartctl -t long / smartctl -a |
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| 21:44.06 | homekevin | astartoth: As far as I can tell, you have value=100 worst=100 threshold=50 and rawvalue=488. |
| 21:44.16 | astartoth | i have a raw value of 488 on reallocated_sect_cnt |
| 21:44.36 | homekevin | My understanding of this is that the value will pretty much always be the worst for that field (things never get un-reallocated) |
| 21:45.07 | homekevin | But you have not reached the threshold (value has to drop below 50) |
| 21:45.27 | homekevin | astartoth: So, according to your disk manufacturer, you are fine. |
| 21:45.33 | astartoth | hmmm... and what does that rawl value mean? |
| 21:45.40 | astartoth | raw, sorry |
| 21:45.52 | homekevin | astartoth: The problem is, the raw value may not mean much. Or it might. Nobody knows. |
| 21:46.14 | homekevin | On some disks it's the actual number of reallocations. On some disks it'll be a huge value out of the box. |
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| 21:46.46 | homekevin | But even if it is the number of reallocations, it's not clear what value would be worrying. |
| 21:47.07 | homekevin | Some people think any reallocation means the disk could be dying, but I don't buy that. |
| 21:47.48 | homekevin | I'm not sure I totally trust the manufacturers to judge what constitutes cause for concern either. |
| 21:47.57 | astartoth | hmmmm |
| 21:48.20 | astartoth | any resource on the net I can read about this? |
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| 21:48.39 | astartoth | just out of plain curiosity. I'm already checking the disk for badblocks |
| 21:48.42 | astartoth | so fir nothing was found. |
| 21:48.45 | astartoth | so far |
| 21:48.46 | homekevin | astartoth: I think there are a lot, but none that I know of off the top of my head. |
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| 21:48.52 | mrtnt | homekevin, astartoth: I know for sure, that Seagate has SMART ID5 raw-value always zero. I don't know about Thoshiba. |
| 21:49.05 | homekevin | Huh, that's interesting. |
| 21:49.34 | homekevin | mrtnt: But if the raw value stays 0, doesn't that mean the "value" is also constant? |
| 21:49.39 | bernhard2 | <homekevin> how should i replace this deb http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 21:49.39 | bernhard2 | deb-src http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib with THIS: ftp.debian.nl /debian/ |
| 21:50.36 | homekevin | bernhard2: Just take the mirrors.nl.kernel.org part out and put in ftp.debian.nl |
| 21:50.45 | homekevin | The rest should stay the same. |
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| 21:51.59 | homekevin | BTW, it's fine that the server name has ftp but the protocol is http. |
| 21:53.15 | homekevin | astartoth: As far as I know running badblocks is a reasonable thing to do (assuming you don't do the destructive write test), but I'm not sure how much it really tells you. |
| 21:54.00 | homekevin | astartoth: In particular, normal reads will never find bad blocks, because the disk will recover and reallocate without telling the OS anything about it. I think. |
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| 21:54.30 | homekevin | But maybe badblocks disables reallocation while it works? I don't know. |
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| 21:54.43 | mrtnt | homekevin: I don't know what the "VALUE" column means. If they make any sense at all..for example check ID 194(Temperature_Celsius) |
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| 21:55.30 | homekevin | mrtnt: "VALUE" is just a normalized value between 0 and 255, I think. It's sole purpose is to be compared against the threshold to determine how bad things are. |
| 21:55.44 | homekevin | But I think VALUE is calculated directly from the raw value. |
| 21:55.52 | homekevin | I might be wrong about that. |
| 21:56.26 | Tramp | homekevin: you can't reallocate on a read |
| 21:56.30 | homekevin | In fact, just assume that everything I say is followed by an implicit (but I might be wrong) |
| 21:57.30 | homekevin | Tramp: I'm not sure. I can see why one would guess that, but failed reads aren't necessarily irrecoverable, if that's what you mean. |
| 21:57.45 | homekevin | At least, that's my understanding. |
| 21:58.00 | bernhard2 | <homekevin> i changed the lines to this but get this error: deb ftp.debian.nl/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib deb-src ftp.debian.nl/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib Error: Malformed line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) E: The list of sources could not be read. |
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| 21:58.23 | homekevin | bernhard2: You didn't follow my instructions very well. |
| 21:58.43 | homekevin | bernhard2: In particular, you dropped the http: from those lines. |
| 21:58.51 | homekevin | http:// |
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| 21:59.49 | mrtnt | homekevin: I think you are not correct about this. For example check my smartctl output: http://pastebin.com/kSGSzuLt I have a raw value "0", but VALUE colums still shows some sort of 100. |
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| 22:01.28 | homekevin | mrtnt: I may be wrong, but this is not evidence of that as far as I can tell. There's no reason a raw value of 0 can't map to a value of 100. |
| 22:01.47 | homekevin | The mapping is determined by the manufacturer |
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| 22:04.01 | mrtnt | homekevin: ok, I see.. It's hard to tell without seeing some values changing there :) By the way, Cisco uses such method for describing interface health and load. There is a one byte allocated for displaying those values. |
| 22:04.39 | bernhard2 | <homekevin> its working thans dude.. |
| 22:04.49 | homekevin | no problem, bernhard2 |
| 22:05.03 | homekevin | I wish all #debian problems were that easy to solve |
| 22:05.42 | Grav | Hi. anyone could reccomend a way to backup debian 6 web server? |
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| 22:06.06 | kzman | hi |
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| 22:06.49 | th0r | Grav: rsync? |
| 22:06.49 | mrtnt | homekevin: output from Cisco interface "reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255". |
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| 22:08.13 | streuner | Grav: backuppc? |
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| 22:08.20 | kzman | I have a unknown error, yesterday I pluged a external hdd formated as ntfs via usb, and it works perfectly, it "automonted" and I, as a non-root user, could write in it, but today i connected it again and it show an error |
| 22:08.31 | homekevin | Yeah, one-byte values are a good way to go. After all, this is the 1970s. |
| 22:08.51 | Grav | th0r, streuner: I will read about those |
| 22:09.24 | mrtnt | How does the apt dependencies/recommendations/suggestions search work? I mean where are those packages listed which are dependencies for others and so one? In some sort of header files? |
| 22:09.26 | homekevin | Backup is a complicated topic |
| 22:09.33 | streuner | amen |
| 22:09.54 | homekevin | mrtnt: They are in the package index, I believe. |
| 22:09.56 | mrtnt | homekevin: "After all, this is the 1970s." LOL |
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| 22:10.47 | homekevin | mrtnt: They are part of the debian/control file when a package is built. |
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| 22:11.13 | homekevin | But on the server I think they get put some repository metadata file. Not sure which. |
| 22:11.36 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 22:12.36 | Grav | homekevin: I wanted to have whole server backups in another place that i could restore if something bad happened with server |
| 22:12.50 | mrtnt | homekevin: and it's the maintainer of the package who determines which packages are dependencies or recommendations for his ones? |
| 22:12.57 | mrtnt | TrueDD: night! |
| 22:13.13 | TrueDD | night mrtnt |
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| 22:13.59 | streuner | waits that someone sing a goodnight song |
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| 22:14.45 | homekevin | mrtnt: Basically, yes. Dependencies can be "hard" in the sense that it just won't work without the dependency. Commonly these are determined automatically during the build process. |
| 22:15.16 | homekevin | But there are also false positive dependencies sometimes, when a program links against a library that it doesn't actually use. |
| 22:15.40 | homekevin | And there can be arbitrary extra dependencies added by the maintainer. |
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| 22:18.27 | mrtnt | homekevin: ok..this seems to be a lot of manual work. I mean if there are 37425 packages in the main, contrib and non-free repos(according to "apt-cache stats") :) |
| 22:20.04 | homekevin | mrtnt: Yeah, but building a package always includes manual work. There's just a lot of people doing it. |
| 22:20.17 | homekevin | Many of those packages only have one maintainer. |
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| 22:25.46 | mrtnt | homekevin: indeed. And as the packages are so deeply and throughly linked, a change in one package could probably affect many packages.. |
| 22:26.55 | mrtnt | How can one associate SNMP OID with specific parameter(HDD temperature, kernel version, amount of free memory, installed programs etc) under SNMP agent? |
| 22:29.10 | th0r | mrtnt: the snmp oid values are controlled by the MIB files, you would have to define a new mib, or find out which one is already assigned. |
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| 22:30.59 | th0r | mrtnt: have you installed tkmib, or another mib browser? |
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| 22:32.18 | mrtnt | th0r: no, I have usually browsed MIB files with vim |
| 22:33.16 | th0r | mrtnt: ok...just seeing you have looked at the mibs previously. It has been years since I messed with snmp, but I remember it was a nightmare trying to define a new counter....if it isn't put there by the original devs it is almost impossible to add post-facto |
| 22:33.19 | mrtnt | th0r: so in general for example if I would like to associate output of "hddtemp -n /dev/sda" with specific OID, I should create a MIB file for this? |
| 22:33.37 | mrtnt | th0r: ok, I see.. |
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| 22:34.26 | th0r | mrtnt: right, but it might be that there is already an oid for that. The oid's are assigned by some authority, you shouldn't just 'invent' one |
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| 22:45.19 | mrtnt | th0r: ok, I'll take a look. |
| 22:45.50 | th0r | mrtnt: snmp was a very interesting world...but a lot more complicated than it looks at first glance. |
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| 22:48.38 | mrtnt | Any ideas, why the "apt-cache stats" values remain the same despite I remove for example both "contrib" and "non-free" repos from the /etc/apt/sources.list and leave only "main"? Or doesn't "apt-cache stats" care which repos are specified? |
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| 22:49.15 | th0r | mrtnt: isn't apt-cache looking at the packages already installed on your computer? |
| 22:49.54 | mrtnt | th0r: ok..I thought it lists all the packages available in the repositories. |
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| 22:51.08 | mrtnt | th0r: I have used "dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l" to see installed packages in my system |
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| 22:51.49 | th0r | mrtnt: I might be wrong. But I thought apt-cache looks at /var/apt/cache, the contents of which are burned to dvd when you use aptoncd |
| 22:52.52 | th0r | mrtnt: I was close...it is /var/cache/apt <smile> |
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| 22:55.48 | mrtnt | th0r: but check this: http://pastebin.com/dtNtU4ei |
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| 22:56.33 | mrtnt | th0r: even if I delete all the files under /var/cache/apt, I see the same statistics if I execute "apt-cache stats" |
| 22:57.02 | th0r | mrtnt: I am not an apt expert...but check the apt-cache man page, I think there is a way to flush the cache |
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| 22:58.47 | th0r | mrtnt: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/08/01/free-disk-space-from-apts-cache/ |
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| 22:59.01 | mrtnt | th0r: I think "apt-get clean" will do this, but it's basically the same I did with "rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*" |
| 22:59.36 | th0r | mrtnt: I suspect apt-get clean will update some file that apt references...the file where it is getting that info you referenced. |
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| 23:01.46 | mrtnt | th0r: I don't know..I still get the same information even after the "apt-get clean": http://pastebin.com/wtaXNYSc :D |
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| 23:12.57 | icarious | !sunday |
| 23:12.57 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 23:23.06 | homekevin | So I have this ongoing issue with the nvidia driver being strangely slow for 2D (especially in Iceweasel, switching tabs and things like that). Any trouble-shooting suggestions are welcome |
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| 23:24.01 | homekevin | BTW, it's slow and seems to use the CPU heavily, more so than the nouveau driver. |
| 23:26.44 | homekevin | Here's an Xorg log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/478271/ |
| 23:27.44 | namtorba | homekevin: for starters, your kernel is woefully out of date |
| 23:27.53 | namtorba | oh, ignore me |
| 23:28.00 | homekevin | I will. ;) |
| 23:28.28 | homekevin | That's not "out of date". It's "stable". |
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| 23:28.44 | namtorba | homekevin: i misread the line .. |
| 23:28.47 | homekevin | Been stable for years, I tell ya. |
| 23:28.49 | namtorba | homekevin: what is your device? |
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| 23:29.10 | homekevin | Oh, uh... I don't know if I know anything more specific than what's in the log |
| 23:29.15 | homekevin | I can check lshw |
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| 23:30.03 | icarious | well pidgin is listing my username as "merv" as written in [~merv@122.163.7.41] entered the room above. how do i hide it? as it is also my username in the local computer. which i dont want to disclose |
| 23:30.28 | namtorba | homekevin: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 23:31.35 | homekevin | namtorba: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV45 [GeForce 6800 GTO] [10de:00f9] (rev a2) |
| 23:31.58 | namtorba | and you don't want to use the binary nvidia drivers? |
| 23:32.29 | namtorba | do you only have problems with your browser? have you tried running with no plugins? |
| 23:32.57 | homekevin | namtorba: Well, I don't *want* to use them, but I have to to get 3D. |
| 23:33.18 | homekevin | To be clear, it's the binary nvidia driver that I have a problem with. |
| 23:33.40 | petern_ | sometimes my 2d stuff is really slow if some 3d stuff is hogging the gpu |
| 23:33.54 | homekevin | It seems to be the most noticeable with the browser. |
| 23:33.58 | petern_ | (yay for technical terms) |
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| 23:34.21 | homekevin | I don't suppose there's a "top" for the GPU? |
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| 23:35.05 | petern_ | don't think so |
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| 23:36.42 | MaXim_ | nvidia-smi perhaps |
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| 23:45.04 | homekevin | Is there an easy way to list the parameters currently set for a kernel module? |
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| 23:49.05 | mrtnt | homekevin: do you mean "sysctl -a" ? |
| 23:50.15 | yann2 | hello, I am looking for some documentation explaining the difference between /sys and /proc/sys ? my web search and man skills are overpowered :) |
| 23:50.47 | homekevin | mrtnt: I don't think module parameters are sysctls. |
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| 23:51.22 | homekevin | At least I don't see familiar module names in the sysctl output |
| 23:51.27 | petern_ | afaik /sys is a logical hierarchy of machine readable data |
| 23:51.55 | petern_ | whereas /proc was adhoc machine/human readable |
| 23:51.58 | petern_ | oh, /proc/sys |
| 23:51.59 | petern_ | hmm |
| 23:52.56 | homekevin | I think proc was intended to be one thing (process data) but ended up being a convenient place to shove all kinds of things. |
| 23:53.16 | homekevin | Then /sys was introduced as a more appropriate place for general stuff that shouldn't have gone in /proc |
| 23:53.38 | homekevin | I can only guess that /proc/sys serves a pretty similar purpose to /sys |
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