| 00:00.11 | jargon | You gonna fix that? (Or even be able to?) |
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| 00:01.05 | jargon | *@0.0.0.0 is my actual host when I connect directly from within ECHELON. |
| 00:01.17 | jargon | My name is Timothy Robert Keal. |
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| 00:01.32 | kuznetzvo | fuck off. |
| 00:01.42 | jm | and you're a very unskilled troll |
| 00:01.44 | jm | :-) |
| 00:01.46 | jargon | No. |
| 00:01.56 | jargon | Ask a DALnet admin if that kline is real. |
| 00:02.01 | kuznetzvo | my 4-year old niece can do this better than you. |
| 00:02.06 | jm | nods |
| 00:02.24 | jargon | 0.0.0.0 is me on DALnet when connected from work. |
| 00:02.36 | kuznetzvo | anyway, i'm going to enjoy my chinese food while i wait for you to get bored and leave. cheers mate. and honestly, better luck next time. just not here. |
| 00:03.22 | jm | you'd think someone who's been on freenode/opn as long as he would know better |
| 00:03.32 | jargon | Okay, apparently. You can't even fathom that a 0.0.0.0 ip is even valid, just not filterable via Unix. |
| 00:04.39 | jargon | There is purposely a flaw in Unix that 0.0.0.0 can't be filtered. |
| 00:04.57 | jargon | I am letting you guys know. |
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| 00:07.19 | jargon | This is where 0.0.0.0 is located: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.9469,-117.3960&hl=en&ll=33.94704,-117.39615&spn=0.000588,0.001057&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.488837,138.603516&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=21 |
| 00:07.48 | jargon | See that bunker door in the middle of the parking lot? |
| 00:07.53 | icebrain | !kick jargon |
| 00:07.53 | dpkg | kicks jargon in the crotch. |
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| 00:08.42 | jargon | 2 miles below that and deeper. |
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| 00:14.48 | KNUBBIG | Hey, I got my apache throwing a segmentation fault (11) for a child since some time and after a certain amount of these faults, it stops acceptint any incoming connections and has to be restarted manually. Any idea what could cause that? |
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| 00:16.12 | Old_Soldier | will compiling and installing perl 5.14 create any issues on squeeze? I'd like to run the latest perl without using perlbrew. |
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| 00:17.52 | themill | Old_Soldier: highly likely to make an enormous mess. Changing to a new perl version in debian is a painful task that requires rebuilding several hundred packages. |
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| 00:18.57 | Old_Soldier | Thank you themill, I was afraid of that. |
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| 00:22.13 | Apteryx | Hello :) |
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| 00:22.27 | dvs | catches the flightless bird. |
| 00:22.52 | Apteryx | I'd like to ask if there is a way to tell pbuilder to preserve chroot state... like a "--no-cleaning" flag or something. |
| 00:23.09 | Apteryx | I've checked the man page but nothing obvious. |
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| 00:25.14 | yann2 | hello! I am trying to get a better grasp of the inner workings of ext4. I found this proper documentation on ext2 http://www.nongnu.org/ext2-doc/ which seems up to date - how relevant is it for ext4? |
| 00:25.59 | KNUBBIG | yann2: pretty much |
| 00:26.10 | yann2 | good, thanks :) |
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| 00:26.45 | KNUBBIG | yann2: if you understand ext2 and then read through the changes made to v3 and v4, you might have a good understanding (at least it was so for me, as I made a thesis about ext2 with the exact documentation) |
| 00:27.43 | yann2 | I guess btrfs is completely different though, being a COW filesystem? |
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| 00:28.02 | KNUBBIG | I don't know about that, have never done any research on it, sorry |
| 00:28.18 | yann2 | ok, thanks for your help |
| 00:28.26 | KNUBBIG | no problem :) |
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| 00:32.41 | terr_ | I see my SCSI shows up on /dev/sda I have a note my usb shows up on /dev/sba but I get mount: /dev/sdb1 is not a valid block device |
| 00:33.05 | dvs | terr_: fdisk -l |
| 00:33.46 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 00:35.26 | terr_ | dvs I don't see any scsi at all. I do have SCSI in this puppy. I see no USB |
| 00:36.28 | craigevil | terr_, plugin the usb then take a look at dmesg |
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| 00:36.52 | terr_ | its plugged in... the stick hat is. I've never used it b4 |
| 00:37.37 | terr_ | hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2 |
| 00:37.37 | terr_ | usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x951/0x1607) is not claimed by any active driver. |
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| 00:42.20 | jargon | Do a geolocate of 0.0.0.0 |
| 00:42.28 | jargon | See the bunker door in that parking lot? |
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| 00:43.06 | jetscreamer | maybe it's a usb 2.0 stick and you're plugging it into a 1.1 port |
| 00:43.13 | themill | jargon: please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise in future |
| 00:43.25 | jetscreamer | i think i've had that from that |
| 00:43.31 | terr_ | jetscreamer: it likely is. this is an old MB |
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| 00:44.40 | jetscreamer | sometimes, the front ones are 1.1 and the rear 2.0 |
| 00:44.59 | terr_ | jetscreamer: I don't think 2.0 was out when they made this one |
| 00:45.36 | jetscreamer | i'f you have it in the front i'd try it in the back just to see, but i dunno |
| 00:46.25 | terr_ | jetscreamer: there are no USB in the front. I have cables which give me access to the back. This is the 1st time they have been used mnd you |
| 00:46.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:47.54 | terr_ | kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 00:47.59 | terr_ | I'm never seen that b4 |
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| 00:59.15 | RzITex | Question: I know how to make/use multiple swap partitions. Though I have a question, is it possible to have two swap partitions, one encrypted w/ random key to be used as the normal swap and the second (encrypted or plain text) as the swap to use when suspending to disk? |
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| 01:14.18 | Ningirsu | How can I use Boot Repair when I have to use it on booting from its iso? |
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| 01:15.24 | AirHead | Hello |
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| 01:21.16 | Ningirsu | How can I use Boot Repair when I have to use it on booting from its iso? |
| 01:22.19 | dkarampin | hello, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but guys in #Latex don't know... So, I need to update geometry package which is included in texlive-latex-base. Although I update the latter, the former still has a '08 version. Any help ? |
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| 01:24.25 | ldvx | What is the command to list all the files installed by a package? |
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| 01:26.03 | ldvx | dpkg -L package |
| 01:26.03 | dpkg | ii package 1.3-11 ldvx's private gamp collection |
| 01:26.18 | somiaj | ldvx: yes you answered you own question. |
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| 01:30.46 | ldvx | Yes, I'm trying to install a cousin that installed debian and I'm not very familiar with apt. Thanks =) |
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| 01:39.58 | norc | http://pastie.org/2483528 << I'm really scared about this. All I did was use iptables-save to back up all rules, switched the kernel to a standard debian kernel, reboot, and suddenly iptables-restore fails on this |
| 01:40.06 | NekawA_ | what a smart bot |
| 01:40.31 | norc | (and the line 10 matches the pastie line 10) |
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| 01:42.25 | thogar | lol i tried to install KDE but now its only a terminal |
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| 01:47.37 | aussa | hi, I installed the nvidia drivers "the debian way", now I want to configure X to use the nvidia driver, I don't want to use nvidia-xconfig because of a bug, I want to do it the manual way, I created a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with a configuration code, that file prevented me from enter X at boot, now I don't know what to do... |
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| 01:50.47 | somiaj | aussa: read though /var/log/Xorg.log (might have a .0 in there somewhere) and figure out what went wrong |
| 01:51.07 | somiaj | aussa: it will tell you any errors in your configureation file and why it didn't start |
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| 02:26.00 | terr_ | I see my SCSI shows up on /dev/sda I have a note my usb shows up on /dev/sba but I get mount: /dev/sdb1 is not a valid block device |
| 02:26.03 | terr_ | I think the device driver might be too old. I have a 2.4 kernel under woody and I'm trying to access a Kingston Data Traveler USB 2.0 and the USB in this machine I'm pretty sure is 1.1 |
| 02:26.06 | terr_ | anyidea where to find a compatible usb-uhci.o |
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| 02:28.24 | jetscreamer | boot a live cd with a modern flavor |
| 02:28.41 | jetscreamer | or a usb stick :) |
| 02:28.57 | terr_ | jetscreamer: this machine's CD seems to have died and the new one doesn't have a CD |
| 02:29.59 | jetscreamer | just take the hd out and hook it up to the new one |
| 02:30.14 | jetscreamer | copy whatever |
| 02:30.55 | jetscreamer | if that's an option |
| 02:31.28 | craigevil | or do it the hard way and go from woody>sarge>etch>lenny>squeeze , easier to reinstall though |
| 02:31.57 | jetscreamer | if the object is to go to squeeze, just install fresh |
| 02:32.13 | jetscreamer | i was guessing sneakernetting |
| 02:33.50 | terr_ | jetscreamer: Sarge is badly broken. The u/g from woody broke. I want to do a complete fresh install and then miagrate this whole machine over and TEST IT for a few months before I retire it. |
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| 02:34.45 | terr_ | issue is I can't boot the new machine! (maybe I can but its got wndows on that HDD and I don't know if I even have the password. |
| 02:34.53 | terr_ | Here's a "possible |
| 02:34.57 | terr_ | " option. |
| 02:35.17 | terr_ | I have a new mac in the house but its nott mine... running snow leopard. Owners are not geeks |
| 02:36.13 | Dulak | terr_: you can boot say a backtrack usb or cdrom and change the windows password in about 2 minutes. |
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| 02:36.43 | terr_ | Dulak: has no CD and I can't get my debian machines USB running |
| 02:36.48 | jetscreamer | me i'd hook old hd up in new machine slave/secondary do net install migrate the 'valures' in the .confs if i had to and get it done/finished/over_with |
| 02:37.07 | jetscreamer | s/valures/values/ |
| 02:37.34 | terr_ | jetscreamer: I can prolly install that new HDD (160 GB) into an old Pentium I |
| 02:37.50 | terr_ | jetscreamer: I have a few of them. Issue is the BIOS will not see the whole HDD. |
| 02:38.25 | terr_ | jetscreamer: machine I want to fire up is a shuttle and I don't know if it can run a slave |
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| 02:38.30 | jetscreamer | set the c/h/s manually if it's that old |
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| 02:38.53 | jetscreamer | one ribbon supports two drives usually |
| 02:39.06 | jetscreamer | so just look the model # up on the net |
| 02:39.07 | Dulak | It still won't see the whole drive without a bios overlay. |
| 02:39.22 | jetscreamer | on the shuttle |
| 02:39.23 | terr_ | jetscreamer: ya - I have lots of IDE drives here. At least I think I do. I have lots of SCSI |
| 02:39.51 | terr_ | jetscreamer: how hard to do this on a mac? |
| 02:40.03 | jetscreamer | i saw a mac once |
| 02:40.21 | jetscreamer | not counting internet cafes coffeshops and computer stores |
| 02:40.34 | xrfang | I have a question about making deb package. the package I built is a network service that read data from a redis database |
| 02:40.44 | terr_ | jetscreamer: I've never operated one. I'm thinking of setting up a VM |
| 02:40.48 | xrfang | so, I need to configure the ip address of the database. I used debconf |
| 02:41.12 | terr_ | xrfang: I've never heard of a database having an IP address |
| 02:41.20 | xrfang | the problem is, if I do an upgrade install, the debconf interface is NOT called, then my postinst script will not get server address |
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| 02:42.02 | xrfang | my question: is my way of using debconf correct? (use a postinst script to get what user entered, and change startup script accordingly) |
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| 03:22.07 | boudiccas | does anyone know please what can open 'bz2' files ? They are on the 'linux format' disk and seem to be the default file suffixes there now |
| 03:22.49 | Dulak | boudiccas: bzip2 is the package |
| 03:23.00 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
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| 03:24.55 | boudiccas | i've already got 'bzip2' installed and the latest version :( the file reading fails with this error message ...... Reading the archive '/media/cdrom/HotPicks/Burp/burp-1.1.65.tar.bz2' failed with the error 'The archive reading failed with message: Unrecognized archive format' |
| 03:25.13 | nevyn | boudiccas: try bunzip <file> |
| 03:25.24 | nevyn | boudiccas: or tar with the -j option |
| 03:25.34 | nevyn | boudiccas: ie: tar xjvf <file> |
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| 03:30.06 | boudiccas | nevyn; tar failed and i've pastebinned the error message ...... http://pastebin.com/xcuXUVj3 |
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| 03:30.38 | boudiccas | bunzip just came back and said 'command unrecognised' |
| 03:31.03 | boudiccas | sorry, ...... command not found |
| 03:31.40 | somiaj | boudiccas: sounds like its having trouble reading the cdrom, check dmesg -- the disc may just be scratched. |
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| 03:32.40 | somiaj | boudiccas: try to copy that .bz2 file off the cdrom onto your hd first. |
| 03:32.45 | boudiccas | somiaj; doubtful that the disk is scratched, its a brand new disk just opened tonight! :) but it is possible that the cd has 'spun down' as its not been used for a couple of hours |
| 03:35.17 | norc | Is it possible to set up multiple network bridges on the same interface, or do I have to create a virtual interface for each bridge? |
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| 03:35.31 | edwinsage | tar needs a hyphen before its options |
| 03:35.45 | edwinsage | tar -xjvf <file> |
| 03:35.48 | Dulak | norc: every bridge is it's own virtual interface. |
| 03:36.02 | norc | Dulak: and they can all work through the same interface? |
| 03:36.08 | Dulak | norc: but it can contain any number of real interfaces though |
| 03:36.46 | Dulak | norc: I am not sure on that but I would say yes it will work. i have not had to use more than one bridge myself though so not sure. |
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| 03:39.21 | somiaj | edwinsage: it works either way |
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| 03:39.53 | norc | Dulak: Well basically I have multiple virtual machines in virtualbox, and I want them all bridged on the same interface so any services running inside will be accessible (I have no ip addresses yet to be able to bridge each one to a different interface) |
| 03:40.35 | Dulak | norc: the bridge would give every interface the same ip, since it is layer 2 not layer 3. |
| 03:41.30 | Dulak | norc: I don't know how well that will work, I've always just port forwarded what I need to the VM, rather than trying for a blanket solution like that. |
| 03:41.54 | norc | Dulak: yea, manually port forwarding every single port does not sound like fun |
| 03:42.05 | norc | its not very flexible either |
| 03:42.31 | boudiccas | i've since been able to opan and copy a file from the cd to my h/d so the fault lies with the burp-1.1.65.tar.bz2 suffix. my system is unable to read any files with that suffix |
| 03:42.33 | Dulak | norc: I'm conservative. Lock everything down, open what you must, trust nothing. |
| 03:42.53 | norc | Dulak: not sure what your point is |
| 03:44.12 | Dulak | norc: me either. |
| 03:44.14 | edwinsage | boudiccas: What error did tar give? |
| 03:44.57 | norc | Dulak: mhm, I suppose I could have multiple tap/br interfaces pointing to eth0 :) |
| 03:46.06 | norc | damn this is really tricky, because I gotta set this up on a remote machine (and I have no serial console access to it) - and no local debian machine to test this on :/ |
| 03:46.21 | boudiccas | edwinsage; http://pastebin.com/xcuXUVj3 |
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| 03:49.10 | norc | Dulak: Ah! I just read something that helps me understand all this better. Apparently a bridge is nothing but the software analog to a ethernet switch |
| 03:49.26 | edwinsage | boudiccas: Yeah, that looks like a corrupted file of some sort. |
| 03:49.49 | Dulak | norc: yes, it's multiple interfaces on layer 2 but 1 interface on layer 3 |
| 03:50.25 | edwinsage | boudiccas: Wait, are you in a directory you can write to? Particularly, not the CD? |
| 03:51.19 | Dulak | boudiccas: you need to use -C '/path/to/destination' with tar if you are doing it from the shell, sitting in the dir on the cdrom. |
| 03:52.00 | mosno | can someone please help me confirm a bug with xfdesktop4 in squeeze? from Thunar, try dragging a big directory eg. /var/cache/apt/archives to the desktop. The problem I'm finding is that xfdesktop doesn't show a file transfer progress dialog. |
| 03:52.10 | norc | Im really thinking of running virtualbox inside virtualbox so I can test this setup locally |
| 03:52.49 | norc | Before I have to call and wake the administrator to hard-reboot the server :) |
| 03:52.52 | Dulak | It won't work |
| 03:53.25 | norc | What wont? |
| 03:53.31 | wols_ | norc: you can think of it but you can't do it |
| 03:53.44 | Dulak | running vbox inside vbox |
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| 03:53.48 | Dulak | It doesn't work. |
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| 03:55.27 | boudiccas | edwinsage; i am in my /home/boztu/programmes/ directory and use the command ..... tar xjvf /media/cdrom/HotPicks/Burp/burp-1.1.65.tar.bz2 ...... which fails as per the pastebin |
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| 03:58.36 | norc | wols_, Dulak: Fine, then I'll run an emulator with virtualbox inside. |
| 03:58.47 | boudiccas | anyway, i'm going back to bed, thanks for all the help and suggestions. it seems that 'bz2' files cant be read off the disk |
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| 03:59.54 | somiaj | boudiccas: bad disk or bad cdrom? |
| 04:00.03 | somiaj | I mean cdrom drive (not disk) |
| 04:00.23 | tabakhase | squeeze Missing dependency Cache::Cache at /usr/share/munin/plugins/mysql_ line 703. |
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| 04:00.29 | tabakhase | on a apt pack... |
| 04:00.31 | Arafangion | They can if you have the right VFS layer. |
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| 04:02.59 | edwinsage | boudiccas: I would try using tar on a different .bz2 file and see if the same thing happens. |
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| 04:18.09 | n0sq | i'm wondering why my wireless doesn't auto-connect even though i checked the box to auto connect |
| 04:21.51 | somiaj | n0sq: using network manager? |
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| 04:31.47 | n0sq | somiaj: yes |
| 04:32.59 | somiaj | n0sq: I'd check though the network manager's logs, maybe it encountered an error. You don't have some setting in /etc/network/interfaces overriding this (just remove all mention of your device, except for maybe allow-hotplug) |
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| 04:38.15 | windows98 | anyone know what id "co" is for in /etc/inittab? |
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| 04:40.34 | Dulak | windows98: console |
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| 04:41.54 | windows98 | thank you dulak |
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| 04:44.46 | cmyers | I am running debian and the fglrx driver with an ATI card, using dual-head displays. The left one looks fine but the right one the resolution is weird, the edge of hte screen is cut off. I want to try changing hte resolution but when I try to use xrandr it says "RandR extension missing". My xorg.conf contains 'Option "RandRRotation" "true"'. The Xorg.log shows fglrx saying 'RandR 1.2 support is enabled!' then later 'Disabling in-server RandR and ena |
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| 04:49.56 | somiaj | cmyers: you cut off during the error in which it says why its disabling RandR |
| 04:50.07 | cmyers | ah, sorry |
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| 04:50.21 | cmyers | followed by '(--) RandR disabled'. Any ideas what is up? Googling has got me nothing. |
| 04:50.34 | cmyers | the error is pretty sad, doesn't actually say much =( |
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| 04:59.32 | kuznetzvo | maybe your drivers? |
| 04:59.41 | kuznetzvo | or the right kernel + drivers |
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| 04:59.45 | kuznetzvo | module^ |
| 04:59.56 | kuznetzvo | i've seen some weird stuff like that lately |
| 05:00.54 | cmyers | kuznetzvo: I am running unstable. I installed the normal fglrx drivers. I have a 3.0.0-1 kernel |
| 05:01.03 | cmyers | so...what about the drivers? |
| 05:01.15 | bullgard4 | I wonder what in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_network_optimization Table 5.17 column "popcon" mean the letters "V" and "I"? |
| 05:01.27 | Arafangion | cmyers: I dont' think you have randr with nvidia drivers. |
| 05:01.31 | kuznetzvo | i know with nvidia hardware, especially all the new stuff, you can't do a lot of special things without the non-free drivers |
| 05:01.32 | Arafangion | cmyers: Try with nouveau. |
| 05:01.43 | kuznetzvo | ^ |
| 05:02.00 | cmyers | Arafangion: fglrx is ati |
| 05:02.01 | kuznetzvo | anyway gotta pass out. good night |
| 05:02.02 | cmyers | not invidia |
| 05:02.09 | Arafangion | cmyers: Oh, duh. |
| 05:02.15 | Dulak | bullgard4: the V is the version, not sure on I |
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| 05:02.36 | cmyers | my problem would be "solved" if someone could tell me how to change resolutions without restarting X |
| 05:02.46 | cmyers | maybe some ATI tool exists... |
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| 05:03.23 | norc | cmyers: xrandr |
| 05:04.08 | Arafangion | norc: Classic! |
| 05:04.15 | Arafangion | norc: His xrandr is disabled. |
| 05:04.38 | norc | Ah. |
| 05:05.15 | cmyers | *sigh* well, thanks for trying =) |
| 05:05.27 | cmyers | I asked in #ati also, but nothing but crickets =( |
| 05:05.30 | Dulak | cmyers: nvidia has a control panel item for that, ati might have the same type of thing |
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| 05:05.57 | bullgard4 | Dulak: "version" of what? |
| 05:05.59 | norc | Dulak: if the randr extension is disabled it wont work. |
| 05:06.08 | Dulak | norc: ahhh |
| 05:06.24 | Dulak | bullgard4: the ati version of the nvidia control panel app |
| 05:07.23 | tabakhase | http://packages.debian.org/en/lenny/munin needs +libcache-cache-perl +libipc-sharelite-perl otherwise mysql_ fails |
| 05:07.27 | tabakhase | same for backports |
| 05:07.43 | Dulak | bullgard4: I guess the stats they are basing the charts on |
| 05:07.48 | Dulak | bullgard4: misunderstood |
| 05:08.22 | Dulak | bullgard4: looks to me like everytime they update those stats they give them a version number to track individual stats easier |
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| 05:08.39 | norc | cmyers: In any case, you cannot change the resolution in any way unless the randr extension is enabled. |
| 05:08.53 | norc | (There is no workaround unfortunately) |
| 05:09.01 | cmyers | ah, good to know |
| 05:09.07 | cmyers | so I have to fix this =( |
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| 05:09.21 | norc | cmyers: Do you have Xinerama enabled? |
| 05:09.25 | cmyers | or, I suppose, suck it up and restart X a bunch until I figure out how to fix the screens |
| 05:09.26 | sviz_ | evening everyone |
| 05:10.13 | bullgard4 | Dulak: Ah! Thank you very much for expalaining and your help. |
| 05:10.17 | sviz_ | I could use a little help. I have a older debian box that I need to re-install and id prefer to install 6. granted the box is 3000 miles away. anyone know of a good place to look for assistance in doing a net install over the net? |
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| 05:10.32 | cmyers | norc: yes |
| 05:10.44 | norc | cmyers: Then you need to use MergedFB. |
| 05:10.45 | cmyers | I want to move windows between monitors, my understanding is I need it for that |
| 05:10.58 | norc | (randr will not work with xinerama) |
| 05:11.29 | cmyers | norc: I can't test it just now, but I will try that, thanks for the pointer |
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| 05:12.10 | karlpinc | sviz_: Take a look at the ssh install options in the installation guide. Basically you get someone to put a cd in and reboot and answer a minimal number of questions (language, keyboard, stuff like that.) |
| 05:12.20 | sviz_ | yea |
| 05:12.24 | sviz_ | CD isn't an option |
| 05:12.35 | karlpinc | sviz_: USB stick then. |
| 05:12.43 | sviz_ | see 3000 miles part :/ |
| 05:13.18 | sviz_ | its in one of the data centers at the company I work for, but in a customer cage⦠customer's a co-worker but he's out of state |
| 05:13.20 | sviz_ | sooo |
| 05:13.27 | norc | cmyers: actually wait. What graphics card do you have? |
| 05:13.30 | sviz_ | its $250/hour if I want a co-worker to insert a CD |
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| 05:13.41 | karlpinc | sviz_: There's debootstrap. See the install guide. Lots of choices. |
| 05:13.45 | sviz_ | I've done this in the past when I went from FreeBSD to debian |
| 05:13.53 | sviz_ | ill checkout debootstrap |
| 05:13.53 | sviz_ | thx |
| 05:13.56 | norc | sviz_: $250/hour? I should think about changing jobs. |
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| 05:14.00 | sviz_ | lol |
| 05:14.11 | sviz_ | well, the tech's don't get that |
| 05:14.13 | karlpinc | sviz_: You'll want to take care, obviously. |
| 05:14.18 | Dulak | they charge $250/hour and pay the noc monkey that does it $15/hour |
| 05:14.18 | sviz_ | thats what's billed |
| 05:14.23 | sviz_ | ha |
| 05:14.25 | Dulak | You do not want that job. |
| 05:14.25 | norc | sviz_: Well it's the manager position I'd be looking at - obviously. |
| 05:14.29 | sviz_ | lol |
| 05:14.37 | sviz_ | its nice in network engineering :) |
| 05:14.53 | Dulak | noc monkey is not fun, I did it for 2 years. |
| 05:15.08 | norc | Well my income as a software developer doesn't compare to what our customers pay really - but I prefer doing this work over doing nothing anyway. |
| 05:15.32 | norc | But still, $250/hour - that's pretty extreme. |
| 05:15.45 | sviz_ | yea |
| 05:15.46 | norc | If it was 3:00am on christmas I could understand. |
| 05:15.52 | sviz_ | its a pretty commercial deal |
| 05:16.02 | norc | That's a tautology. |
| 05:16.14 | norc | Pretty much all deals are commercially motivated :) |
| 05:16.29 | sviz_ | if customers negotiate a different rate then thats good for them |
| 05:16.37 | Dulak | i think he meant the datacenter is aimed at enterprise type customers |
| 05:16.42 | sviz_ | since i work there all my stuff is billed back at $0 |
| 05:16.54 | sviz_ | we have 50+ data centers around the world |
| 05:16.59 | sviz_ | its an IXP |
| 05:17.23 | sviz_ | so for some of our customers not having to fly people out etc. thats not a bad deal |
| 05:17.39 | norc | But I shouldn't surprised in the slightest. I used to work in the defense (that's euphemism for you) branch - so such numbers are nothing. |
| 05:17.39 | sviz_ | sadly I can't place billable orders for customers, which is what this would be |
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| 05:17.50 | sviz_ | heh yea |
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| 05:17.56 | sviz_ | I don't miss that job |
| 05:18.16 | norc | sviz_: Charging the customer about 2,500EUR for a single on/off switch is something I learned to be quite effective in making money. |
| 05:18.29 | sviz_ | now sign me up for that |
| 05:18.38 | sviz_ | ill toggle it a few times⦠for good measure |
| 05:18.53 | norc | Heh. Then consider that a helicopter has quite a few buttons and switches.. |
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| 05:19.18 | sviz_ | just don't push the big red one |
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| 05:19.38 | Dulak | stimpy, DON'T PUSH THE BIG RED BUTTON! |
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| 05:20.05 | Arafangion | The MIB did it best. |
| 05:20.22 | norc | But ok, on the other hand military equipment is expensive because quite a lot of people need to be paid - half the team doesn't know what to do or doesn't do anything, and the other half is busy fixing/making up for the other half. |
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| 05:20.36 | Dulak | That Ren&Stimpy was quite possibly the funniest cartoon I have ever seen. |
| 05:20.46 | sviz_ | i miss that cartoon |
| 05:20.49 | Dulak | The one with the big red button. |
| 05:21.03 | sviz_ | is that the one they implode in? |
| 05:21.06 | Dulak | Yes |
| 05:21.25 | sviz_ | i think that episode has been played more than any other of that whole cartoon |
| 05:21.33 | Dulak | And Ren thinks the soap is an ice cream sandwich. |
| 05:21.35 | norc | sviz_: but still, $250/hour - is that with extra $$ because of the time/day - or is that the normal going rate? |
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| 05:21.47 | sviz_ | time and or day does not matter |
| 05:22.10 | norc | Do they get the job done quickly? Or do they take their time and fuck everything up? |
| 05:22.24 | sviz_ | the ops guys are usually pretty good |
| 05:22.48 | sviz_ | generally they end up fixing things other tier1 isp's dick up |
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| 05:23.39 | norc | Funny. The network administrators for our last contractors were actually busy convuluting and breaking their corporate network all the time. |
| 05:24.09 | Arafangion | Do they have a corporate, integrated phone system? |
| 05:24.20 | norc | Arafangion: what do you mean by "integrated" ? |
| 05:24.29 | Arafangion | It's hilarious when they search around trying to find the phone that needs to be disconnected. |
| 05:24.51 | Arafangion | norc: Integrated into the 'communications platform', which includes Notes, Sametime, email, calendaring, voicemail, all that crap. |
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| 05:25.12 | asdjaputra | iPhone? |
| 05:25.20 | Arafangion | Blackberry. |
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| 05:25.35 | norc | Arafangion: Well they did have an international corporate phone network, but it was all managed by the Telekom here |
| 05:25.48 | norc | Arafangion: And I dont think it was integrated into a generalized communication network |
| 05:25.50 | Arafangion | But to disconnect a phone, one has to explicitly tell the *phone* to connect, and when neccessary, to disconnect. |
| 05:26.08 | Arafangion | You can't use the line until the previous phone has disconnected - it's insanity |
| 05:26.09 | asdjaputra | Arafangion, the same with Android in Sony Erricson |
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| 06:01.39 | ssf | i have a computer with 512mb ram. file transfers swap out almost everything to make room for cache (for the transfer) and make the computer unresponsive. this is horrible kernel behavior. |
| 06:02.06 | ssf | is this normal? |
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| 06:03.31 | ssf | i don't think the linux kernel used to behave this way. |
| 06:04.13 | Dulak | I don't know your specific setup, but you could tune down the swapiness setting with sysctl |
| 06:04.39 | jelly-home | ssf: set /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to eg. 10 and see whether it helps |
| 06:05.07 | ssf | jelly-home: okay, will try that. it has been pretty extreme so it should be easy to see if it helps |
| 06:07.34 | ssf | ouch, audio playback is stuttering horribly now. swapping out a lot still. |
| 06:07.55 | ssf | trying swappiness at 1. |
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| 06:14.08 | ssf | set it to 0. it is a fair bit better but still quite bad. it continues to swap things out to increase the cache. |
| 06:15.29 | ssf | if swappiness is 0 shouldn't it stop swapping things out to increase the cache? |
| 06:16.03 | ssf | cache is ~220MB out of 512MB RAM. really quite excessive. |
| 06:16.21 | Dulak | no, you use swapoff to turn swap off completely |
| 06:16.24 | Arafangion | ssf: It's actually a feature - and for audio, I doubt that's the problem. |
| 06:16.50 | Arafangion | ssf: You'll want to increase the priority of whatever audio programs you're using... And use a faster kernel that uses preemptive multitasking. |
| 06:17.03 | Dulak | ssf: what kernel is it? |
| 06:17.19 | ssf | it's not just the audio - i'm partly using that to judge the general responsiveness. firefox gets swapped out, for instance. |
| 06:17.37 | ssf | 3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 06:17.38 | jelly-home | ssf: uname -r? |
| 06:17.38 | Arafangion | ssf: It's a feature - if you're not using firefox, then that's ideal. |
| 06:18.04 | Arafangion | Which system? |
| 06:18.11 | ssf | not a good feature IMO. :) |
| 06:18.15 | jelly-home | ssf: hm, if it happens in 3.0 it's a regression |
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| 06:18.59 | ssf | i believe it did this in 2.6.36, though to a lesser extent possibly. |
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| 06:19.55 | ssf | i figure the kernel is optimized for computers with more RAM now but now behaves terribly on old ones like this. |
| 06:20.52 | jelly-home | what if you use the default squeeze kernel |
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| 06:21.58 | ssf | which is that? |
| 06:22.19 | Arafangion | Still 2.6.32 or something. |
| 06:22.31 | Arafangion | Maybe .34 |
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| 06:23.19 | ssf | iirc it was better but still did this general sort of thing. i could test it but have stuff downloading currently that i don't want to interrupt |
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| 06:26.29 | aminpy | how can I install debian with iso image in server with ssh connection? |
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| 06:28.52 | norc | aminpy: use debootstrap? |
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| 06:30.19 | aminpy | norc, no |
| 06:30.40 | aminpy | norc, my currenty os is fedora in server |
| 06:30.46 | aminpy | norc, I want change it to debian |
| 06:30.56 | jelly-home | aminpy: and why can't you use debootstrap? |
| 06:32.00 | aminpy | jelly-home, sorry I don't know deboostrstrap, and I didn't work with it |
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| 06:32.22 | jelly-home | aminpy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 06:32.51 | norc | aminpy: If you don't know about deboostrap, then please don't blindly assume my suggestion is wrong and doesn't work? |
| 06:33.21 | aminpy | sorry |
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| 06:34.51 | jelly-home | if this is your first time doing a debootstrap switch, I suggest trying it on a machine you have console access to first |
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| 06:49.44 | Bushmills | fedora even provides debootstrap in its package repository |
| 06:50.16 | Bushmills | i.e. no manual downloading and unpacking of package needed |
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| 07:15.32 | aypea[2] | gah. I swear I'll just make the -cu flags the default for fdisk and roll my own version. |
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| 07:21.22 | aypea[2] | hrm. forgot about those. bit of a pain to distribute. |
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| 07:33.42 | lancelot_of | how to allow the only user (me) on my system to run sudo on every command without passwd prompt?I tried in /etc/sudoers: user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL but at first sudo call passwd prompt still appears. Please help |
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| 07:35.05 | somiaj | lancelot_of: I have a space where you don't, "ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" |
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| 07:37.35 | lancelot_of | somiaj, even with the space the first passwd is required |
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| 07:38.13 | somiaj | lancelot_of: are you edditing /etc/sudoers with visudo? |
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| 07:39.23 | lancelot_of | somiaj, ok solved, the line had to stay at the end of the file, not after root specifications |
| 07:39.52 | somiaj | yea its common in config files to make sure you don't have an option later on that negates what you did |
| 07:39.57 | lancelot_of | somiaj, anyway of course i was editing with visudo |
| 07:40.00 | somiaj | since they are red lineary |
| 07:40.10 | somiaj | lancelot_of: ok just making sure cause it usually spots errors. |
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| 07:40.34 | lancelot_of | somiaj, thanks anyway for your help ;) |
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| 07:40.55 | lancelot_of | have a nice day, bye! ;) |
| 07:40.56 | somiaj | lancelot_of: well sometimes it just takes talking about a problem for the solution to appear |
| 07:41.10 | lancelot_of | somiaj, yes, i agree |
| 07:41.31 | lancelot_of | bye bye |
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| 07:47.07 | niman | hi i know its stupid question but i dont know awnser and i need too know so i ask this.i need to make a debian live cd and i do that now i need to know how can i automatic login in text mode never os never ask username and passwd ? |
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| 07:49.03 | [E]sc | i'm trying to get sendmail to work, can a localhost email out to a website? i haven't been able to get it to work properly, the sendmail can email locally, but not globally...any advice or documentation would be great! |
| 07:49.58 | jelly-home | [E]sc: what made you use sendmail instead of the default exim4 or the sensible postfix alternative |
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| 07:52.05 | fenugreek | niman: what? |
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| 07:54.36 | niman | fenugreek, :D sorry |
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| 07:56.28 | niman | fenugreek, i need to know when i make a debian live cd how can i enable autologin in textmode (without any login manager like a gdm or kdm and without any gui like gnome or kde just text mode terminal) |
| 07:57.08 | fenugreek | ah |
| 07:57.24 | [E]sc | jelly-home, would exim4 or postfix be more practical? |
| 07:57.27 | fenugreek | there's probably a well known de facto standard for that, since so many live images do it |
| 07:57.33 | fenugreek | but I know you can use http://linuxgazette.net/issue72/chung.html for example |
| 07:57.51 | fenugreek | otherwise I'd check out how one of those other images do it |
| 07:57.55 | fenugreek | shouldn't be that hard to figure out |
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| 07:59.48 | niman | fenugreek, can i ask a question about make live debian ? |
| 08:00.09 | fenugreek | since you already have twice, I'm going to say yes |
| 08:00.45 | kghost | @niman, you can change the default /et/inittab file, use an autologin getty instead of default getty |
| 08:01.13 | fenugreek | (what provided link covers) |
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| 08:01.48 | niman | kghost, can you show me example plz :D ? |
| 08:02.27 | somiaj | niman: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:02.40 | jelly-home | [E]sc: it's a matter of experience and personal preference, both are good. I like postfix. |
| 08:02.50 | somiaj | niman: I've seen other ways, but I think nodm is probabaly the easiest. |
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| 08:04.20 | fenugreek | that's cute |
| 08:05.07 | niman | fenugreek, i creat live debian cd and work good. now i need to auto login so you tell me about that and now i need to know how i can install one packages is not exist in repositories.my buss say i must install with hooks. |
| 08:05.49 | [E]sc | jelly-home, i have been trying to get my localhost to email out, but haven't been able to, i previously tried exim4 but there was some problems that i couldn't get around so i gave up and tried sendmail...i'm hoping to get it so my server will email... is there any online manuals you have handy that can point me in the right direction? postfix or exim4 |
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| 08:07.37 | afuentes_ | hi, debian wheezy here. ive got some packages problem. Can anybody help me? --> http://paste.debian.net/128450/ |
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| 08:08.56 | somiaj | afuentes_: gnome3 is slowly filtering into testing, this means there could be some bizzar dependency issues. Welcome to testing. |
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| 08:09.27 | somiaj | afuentes_: have to start fixing the errors, seems like your gconf2.postinst script is calling a binary that you don't have (maybe a dependency/version issue) and erroring out its configuring |
| 08:10.03 | somiaj | afuentes_: seems the same thing for gnome-menus.postinst -- calling another binary not found. |
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| 08:11.55 | afuentes_ | somiaj, i think its an error of mine, not because of testing :) |
| 08:12.01 | jelly-home | [E]sc: well, both postfix or exim should pretty much work out of the box after you answer those few questions at installation time |
| 08:12.40 | afuentes_ | somiaj, everything was fine yesterday, and i did some weird stuff :) and now these are broken now |
| 08:12.42 | somiaj | afuentes_: well I woudln't be surprised to see a lot more errors in testing until this whole gnome3 thing gets figured out...though as usually hopefully sid filters most out. |
| 08:13.13 | somiaj | afuentes_: well you see what I mean by the errors are about missing commands in the scripts. You could just comment out the lines and see if thigns configure, but that doesn't mean they will work right |
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| 08:14.35 | [E]sc | jelly-home, maybe it's my configuration then? because my webpage doesn't seem to email out properly, it returns false... |
| 08:15.29 | afuentes_ | weird stuff = i had wheezy, I reinstalled squeezy on / and upgraded again to wheezy... and to have the same packaged i used to have I did xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < /home/me/package_list |
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| 08:15.50 | afuentes_ | i used to be on wheezy i386, i installed now amd64 |
| 08:16.13 | afuentes_ | I also had some personal repositories in sources.list |
| 08:16.22 | afuentes_ | thats why i think i messed up somehow :S |
| 08:16.22 | somiaj | afuentes_: you installed squeeze on top of your wheezy install? |
| 08:16.36 | somiaj | and then upgraded it so you could have 32bit binaries mixing with 64bit binaries? |
| 08:17.02 | afuentes_ | actually i formated / partition before installing, so i dont think thats an issue |
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| 08:17.36 | KaZeR | hi there. i'm using preseeds for the first time, and it almost work, excepted that it still ask for my language, keymap, and confirmation of the hostname and domain. what am i missing? |
| 08:17.40 | afuentes_ | but maybe the list of packaged i passed to aptitude was from my old wheezy 32bits install |
| 08:17.52 | somiaj | afuentes_: ok, just wasn't sure by you installed it on / -- that means you have a filesystem already as opposed to installing it on a partiton. :D |
| 08:17.57 | afuentes_ | dunno if the packages are suppose to be the same, but just amd64... |
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| 08:23.03 | afuentes_ | somiaj, the thing is that binary is supposed to be provided by gconf2, the same package is failing to configure.... apt-file search gconf-schemas-->gconf2: /usr/sbin/gconf-schemas |
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| 08:23.13 | afuentes_ | what can i do next? |
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| 08:24.03 | somiaj | afuentes_: gconf2 and gconf-schemas are two different pacakges. |
| 08:24.18 | afuentes_ | qindelq |
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| 08:24.33 | somiaj | afuentes_: apt-cache show gconf2 (do the same for schemas) and see why it didn't install the second one |
| 08:24.38 | somiaj | its failing to install gconf2 |
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| 08:24.50 | somiaj | not gconf-schemas -- probabaly cause of a missing dependency |
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| 08:25.45 | somiaj | oh wait, I'm to tried to read things -- do you have that binary on your computer? |
| 08:26.49 | afuentes_ | somiaj, ive got the binary /usr/sbin/gconf-schemas in place.... |
| 08:26.51 | afuentes_ | :S |
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| 08:27.20 | somiaj | afuentes_: are you running this with sudo or with root? |
| 08:27.35 | afuentes_ | sudo |
| 08:27.53 | somiaj | afuentes_: Defaults secure_path="/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
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| 08:28.03 | somiaj | afuentes_: set that in your suders file, or jsut sudo su -, then run this as root |
| 08:28.18 | afuentes_ | oh... is that the problem? |
| 08:28.28 | somiaj | afuentes_: if the program isn't in your path, yes |
| 08:28.39 | somiaj | afuentes_: try sudo echo $PATH |
| 08:29.03 | afuentes_ | during the upgrade i pressed enter to update the sudoers file without and the default is to keep the old file... :/ i remember that line on the diff |
| 08:29.09 | afuentes_ | ye, u are right |
| 08:29.13 | afuentes_ | :D |
| 08:29.21 | afuentes_ | awesome! thanks somiaj |
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| 08:29.55 | afuentes_ | somiaj, btw, how can i get the sudoers file i failed to upgrade during the update? |
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| 08:29.58 | somiaj | afuentes_: learn toc heck the bugreports, there is a bugreport about that and they are trying to set up more sane defaults if that line was missing |
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| 08:31.11 | afuentes_ | yeah, somiaj i was promted to updated the sudoers file, but i failed to upgrade coz i pressed enter (witch defaults to dont upgrade conf file) |
| 08:31.11 | somiaj | a --reinstall might do the trick |
| 08:31.18 | afuentes_ | it wasnt on porpurse :S |
| 08:31.31 | somiaj | afuentes_: that is usually the sane one, I hit enter because I have customizations -- though I should have hit see differences. (: |
| 08:31.52 | somiaj | afuentes_: oh well that is only one of the many bugs I have hit in sid recentally with upgrades -- (: |
| 08:32.35 | afuentes_ | apt-get install sudo --reinstall didnt make the trick :S |
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| 08:34.36 | manchot | Anyone here has a master's in Computer Science? I have a freelance job offer |
| 08:35.31 | themill | afuentes_: which version of the sudo package is this? and what version were you upgrading from? |
| 08:35.57 | afuentes_ | aptpolicy sudo |
| 08:36.31 | afuentes_ | its in 1.8.2-1 its not upgrading anything, because its already installed correctly |
| 08:36.38 | afuentes_ | i just want the new sudoers file :) |
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| 08:36.59 | somiaj | themill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639336 that's the bug |
| 08:37.11 | fenugreek | manchot: a job going to school? |
| 08:37.55 | afuentes_ | somiaj, i think its fixed, because i saw the diff when upgrading and that line was included already :) |
| 08:38.07 | afuentes_ | i just failed to press yes instead of enter |
| 08:38.14 | afuentes_ | so i did not updated my file |
| 08:38.38 | afuentes_ | but now i dont know how to reinstall the sudoers file from the current version of the package |
| 08:38.48 | afuentes_ | all the reconfigure fail... |
| 08:38.58 | afuentes_ | well, i guess i can remove --purge and install again |
| 08:39.00 | themill | afuentes_: so you were upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, then |
| 08:39.01 | afuentes_ | that should work lol |
| 08:39.05 | afuentes_ | yup |
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| 08:41.23 | themill | afuentes_: yes, purge and install will work, keep a copy of your old sudoers; alternatively, /msg dpkg confnew |
| 08:41.31 | afuentes_ | there, fixed it... remove --purge and install did the trick ;) thanks |
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| 08:42.09 | manchot | fenugreek, are you a CS major? |
| 08:42.24 | afuentes_ | good to know, thanks themill |
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| 08:45.04 | fenugreek | nope, I'm a dropout |
| 08:45.06 | fenugreek | feels superior |
| 08:45.49 | themill | afuentes_: the sudo package has only just migrated the sudoers file from being created by the postinst to being an actual conffile, hence it's important to know what versions you're upgrading from and to. |
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| 08:46.52 | afuentes_ | i upgraded from the current version in squeeze, to the current version in wheezy |
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| 08:50.43 | fbs | Is ~/.Xresources still used/activated in debian? |
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| 08:51.29 | fbs | ehh s/resources/defaults |
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| 08:51.57 | somiaj | fbs: it should be, if not load it with xrdb in .xsession or via your windowmanager startup options |
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| 08:53.03 | fbs | somiaj: thanks :) |
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| 08:53.20 | Alvo | hi, i have trouble with wget, i have an http server which delivers as http-content a "0" or a "1" |
| 08:53.24 | Alvo | it wirks in firefox, but wget dispülays 4 chars, coming from chunked encoding |
| 08:53.40 | Alvo | like wget shows 1\r\n0\r\n0\r\n\r\n , has wget problems with chunked html encodings? |
| 08:54.04 | somiaj | \r and \n are just the 'return' and 'newline' character |
| 08:54.12 | Alvo | yes |
| 08:54.21 | Alvo | 1 |
| 08:54.21 | Alvo | 0 |
| 08:54.37 | Alvo | ooops |
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| 09:00.01 | matt_palmer | Hi all, anyone have any knowledge about Debian plan to make next release run on Hurd? |
| 09:00.41 | fenugreek | ? |
| 09:00.49 | fenugreek | doesn't debian already have hurd build? |
| 09:00.54 | fenugreek | hurd builds* |
| 09:01.02 | somiaj | matt_palmer: I belive there was talk about debian hurd on debian.org, but I think its kinda just in testing/experimental stages |
| 09:01.34 | matt_palmer | Sorry, I read in a Linux blog that the next 'default' binary release would be Hurd only. is that not correct? |
| 09:01.58 | jelly | matt_palmer: reference or it didn't happen |
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| 09:02.41 | somiaj | matt_palmer: debian isn't going to do away with the linux kernel...in fact with debian also having a freebsd kernel option, once the hurd stabalizes (if it ever does in debian) they will probabaly provide it there for more choice. |
| 09:03.15 | matt_palmer | somiaj - thanks, thats what I really needed to know! |
| 09:03.22 | matt_palmer | thanks everyone |
| 09:03.59 | somiaj | matt_palmer: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd.en.html |
| 09:04.49 | fenugreek | debian's so awesome =) |
| 09:04.57 | _Qman | Hello anyone could give me a hand with idmapd.conf for nfs4, I would like to do uid and gid mapping for one specific machine |
| 09:05.29 | somiaj | matt_palmer: http://www.debian.org/ports/index (lists all the various ports of debian) |
| 09:05.46 | Alvo | hi, is something wrong weith this http response? it does not work with wget |
| 09:05.47 | Alvo | http://pastebin.de/18642 |
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| 09:06.47 | matt_palmer | somiaj: yeah thats great. Just needed to make sure as I've built all my AWS EC2 Instances against the Linux kernels, and didnt want any nasty surprises ;-) |
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| 09:07.52 | somiaj | matt_palmer: debian likes to give choice, not take it away -- there would have to be some drastic change in the linux kernel for debian to phase it out which I don't forsee. |
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| 09:17.23 | fenugreek | there's a Debian equivalent of Ubuntu's 'alternate installer' image right? I can't remember what it's called if so |
| 09:17.26 | fenugreek | or where it is |
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| 09:18.29 | bazhang | well the ubuntu alternate is known as debian-installer |
| 09:18.31 | fenugreek | expert mode? |
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| 09:18.47 | bazhang | ncurses-based |
| 09:18.47 | fenugreek | bazhang: and? |
| 09:19.14 | bazhang | expert mode sounds possible |
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| 09:19.41 | fenugreek | hum |
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| 09:23.08 | mah454 | Hello ... |
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| 09:23.40 | fenugreek | mah454: hi |
| 09:23.57 | mah454 | How can i understand ... file installed with what package ? |
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| 09:24.00 | Alvo | mebi wget cannot download chunked http? |
| 09:24.29 | blackshirt | mah454 : use $dpkg -L package :d |
| 09:25.53 | mah454 | blackshirt, no no ... ! for example what package install /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 09:26.39 | blackshirt | mah454: $dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 09:27.44 | themill | mah454: files in /etc sometimes appear due to maintainer scripts and are not actually owned by any package in a way that dpkg knows about. smb.conf is one such file. |
| 09:28.20 | mah454 | blackshirt, not work ! this command show for binary files : dpkg-query -S /bin/bash . but for normal files ... ! |
| 09:28.37 | mah454 | themill, ok for example files in /usr/share ... |
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| 09:29.31 | themill | mah454: if you look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst, you'll see that /usr/share/samba/smb.conf is one part of the ucf-based configuration file merge. |
| 09:29.47 | mah454 | ok ... dpkg -S work .... |
| 09:29.50 | mah454 | thank you :) |
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| 09:48.11 | hokapoka | berarma: thanks. |
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| 10:07.33 | Hasham | hi...how can i contribute to in Debian if I dont have programming skills...? |
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| 10:08.02 | petemc | Hasham: theres a 'help debian' link on debian.org |
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| 10:10.13 | bzed | Hasham: translations are a good start :) but as petemc said, have a look at the help debian part of the websire |
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| 10:10.51 | Hasham | bzed, I have good translation skills |
| 10:12.32 | bzed | Hasham: http://wiki.debian.org/L10n |
| 10:13.51 | Hasham | bzed, bot working http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-%3Cyourlanguage%3E |
| 10:14.10 | Hasham | *not |
| 10:14.18 | bzed | Hasham: well, imagine what <yourlanguage> could mean? |
| 10:14.44 | bzed | http://lists.debian.org/i18n.html |
| 10:14.58 | bzed | Hasham: ^ |
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| 10:16.30 | Hasham | my language is not in the list , even though its 3rd most spoken language in the world |
| 10:16.38 | bzed | Hasham: whats your language? |
| 10:16.49 | Hasham | urdu |
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| 10:17.09 | TuxFighter | Hi, I got a /core file what up with that ? |
| 10:17.19 | bzed | Hasham: well, time to start a new translation project then? ;) |
| 10:17.28 | TuxFighter | its an dedicated server in a data center and its the only one which got this file |
| 10:17.42 | TuxFighter | it no completly readable by human |
| 10:18.02 | Hasham | bzed, i will love to . i need a hint where to start |
| 10:18.04 | bzed | Hasham: if you are interested maybe post to the http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/ list, probably there are others interested, too |
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| 10:18.44 | bzed | Hasham: thats the general internationalization list, they will at least know how to start and whats necessary to do... |
| 10:19.24 | bzed | Hasham: they also know if there is a maybe related translation project - not all are using debian mailinglists for variosu reasons |
| 10:19.38 | Hasham | thank you for the info . I really appriciate . |
| 10:19.53 | bzed | you're welcome! |
| 10:21.05 | bzed | Hasham: also it might be interesting to translate at least important parts of the website, see http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ for details |
| 10:22.33 | Hasham | I will definatly look at this , I will must contribute in this wonderful community |
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| 10:22.50 | bzed | Hasham: might be worth to join #debian-i18n on the OFTC network, too |
| 10:23.08 | bzed | better place to ask translation related questions :) |
| 10:23.37 | Hasham | ok |
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| 10:31.36 | LetoPoole | rozie: ping? |
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| 10:38.25 | Delf1 | How do I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/128465/ |
| 10:38.53 | Delf1 | Last time I did "apt-get -f install" too many packages got removed. |
| 10:38.58 | Delf1 | Crippled me.. |
| 10:40.19 | petern_ | why did you think -f was a good idea? hh |
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| 10:42.13 | themill | Delf1: why are you mixing stable and wheezy/sid? |
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| 10:44.22 | Tropolis | On the Live CD, what's the difference between "Live" and "Live 686"? Does the 686 option add processor specific optimizations? I'm testing it w/ Virtualbox but looking to eventually install w/ an Atom processor. |
| 10:46.09 | Delf1 | I only did what it told me. |
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| 10:46.38 | Delf1 | themill: I need a newer version of linuxdcpp |
| 10:47.00 | Tropolis | I'm confused because shouldn't the installer automatically detect the processor and install the relevant kernel? |
| 10:47.16 | themill | Delf1: "it" told you? "need". I presume you need an unbroken box more than anything else. |
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| 10:52.13 | Hui_Nan | hi all |
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| 10:52.37 | Delf1 | themill: I needed a feature in the new version. |
| 10:52.56 | Hui_Nan | I'm trying to configure a debian repository on a web server with dpkg-scanpackages |
| 10:53.24 | Tropolis | Apparently the difference is that "Live" kernel panics in virtualbox and "Live 686" doesn't.. |
| 10:53.27 | Delf1 | How do I roll back? |
| 10:53.41 | Hui_Nan | however on a client computer aptitude search does not finds any packages on server |
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| 10:54.07 | Hui_Nan | `aptitude update` says there is an 'Undetermined error' |
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| 10:55.30 | Hui_Nan | I'm totally confused... |
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| 10:56.27 | themill | Delf1: It may not be possible depending on how much of a mess you've made. Start by removing everything from your sources.list that isn't "squeeze" then "apt-get update" then "/msg dpkg not available" and pastebin the output of that aptitude command. |
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| 11:00.59 | joe6 | http://codepad.org/eR6AhtiO is this a dead hard disk? anyone why that would have happened? it is a new disk, hence the surprise. |
| 11:01.11 | joe6 | just wondering if this could be caused by the bug |
| 11:01.35 | joe6 | in ubuntu that was trashing the disk. |
| 11:02.48 | petern_ | disk drive failure rates follow a "bathtub" curve |
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| 11:04.51 | Hui_Nan | http://pastebin.com/rCXzHf6g |
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| 11:06.10 | mosno | woot, just crashed my entire X11 session with a GL screensaver |
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| 11:06.50 | joe6 | petern_: do you consider the drive to be dead, if you see such a message? or, is it something debian/linux specific? |
| 11:07.13 | joe6 | i am trying to figure out if it is a dead hard disk or faulty software. |
| 11:07.45 | joe6 | when I have that harddisk plugged in, even linux does not boot, errors with "blkid no response" |
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| 11:08.22 | Sander^work | Which rendering engine is Konqueror using? |
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| 11:09.41 | petern_ | khtml iirc |
| 11:09.54 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:09.59 | Sander^work | Is any other browers using that too? |
| 11:10.07 | petern_ | webkit is based on it |
| 11:10.47 | Sander^work | And which browsers use webkit? |
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| 11:11.01 | nevyn | safari. |
| 11:11.16 | nevyn | and chrome |
| 11:13.27 | Sander^work | thanks |
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| 11:18.01 | Delf1 | themill: There should not be anything other than squeeze in sources.list. I installed .deb files. |
| 11:18.02 | ksk | hey |
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| 11:18.44 | themill | Delf1: can you pastebin the output of that aptitude not available command from dpkg then? |
| 11:19.32 | ksk | whats the keyword for "nonfree drivers(excluded from squeeze)" for dpkg? :) |
| 11:19.43 | Delf1 | themill: /msg dpkg not available? |
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| 11:19.52 | themill | yes |
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| 11:20.12 | ksk | if the installer detects my NIC that does not mean it has the right drivers included i guess? |
| 11:20.18 | themill | !firmware images |
| 11:20.19 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 11:20.24 | ksk | thanks |
| 11:20.33 | Delf1 | I don't understand. What am I suppose to run in terminal? |
| 11:20.43 | themill | dpkg: tell Delf1 about not available |
| 11:21.08 | themill | ksk: network cards can be detected but non-functional because of missing firmware. That's more common with wireless than wired cards though. |
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| 11:21.19 | Delf1 | I didn't understand that either... *getting frustrated* |
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| 11:23.02 | themill | Delf1: please pastebin the output of: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 11:23.02 | Delf1 | http://paste.debian.net/128469/ |
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| 11:23.46 | Delf1 | I think libglib2.0-0 broke compatibility |
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| 11:24.38 | themill | you downloaded all of those .debs and manually installed them? |
| 11:24.43 | Delf1 | yes |
| 11:25.01 | Delf1 | no problem until I installed libglib |
| 11:25.12 | themill | and it didn't occur to you that you might be making like hard for yourself in the process.... |
| 11:25.31 | Delf1 | Nope, I wasn't expecting trouble. |
| 11:25.45 | Delf1 | life* |
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| 11:31.25 | Delf1 | I know I shat myself. I can't even install libgtk2.0-0_2.20.1-2_amd64.deb (squeeze). |
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| 11:33.23 | Delf1 | It didn't work using gdeb but using "aptitude install libglib2.0-0" it worked! |
| 11:33.35 | Delf1 | Thanks for the help themill :D |
| 11:34.30 | themill | Delf1: right. so now if you want a newer version of linuxdcpp, "/msg dpkg ssb" and follow dpkg's advice. |
| 11:35.29 | Delf1 | Thanks again! |
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| 11:35.48 | Delf1 | I had completely forgotten about "backports". |
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| 11:37.44 | qrq | Is there any good download manager not in terminal? :D |
| 11:38.38 | CruX| | qrq: gui ? kget |
| 11:38.48 | qrq | Not KDE :D |
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| 11:40.42 | joe6 | is there a way to monitor a "smartctl -t long" progress |
| 11:40.45 | joe6 | ? |
| 11:41.03 | joe6 | i do not want to shutdown the computer which is running such a process. |
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| 11:44.25 | th0r | joe6: find the process number using 'ps -ax' then kill the process ('kill -9 processnumber' should do the trick) |
| 11:44.41 | joe6 | th0r, thanks. |
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| 11:46.56 | joe6 | t |
| 11:47.06 | poppiez | I've created a user using useradd. how may I allow to login as this user using ssh? right now, I get public key permission denied |
| 11:47.18 | poppiez | can only login as default user |
| 11:47.59 | wols_ | poppiez: use username/password? |
| 11:48.40 | poppiez | wols_: I tried to do newUsername@myIp but it doesn't work. do I need to it to a group or something? |
| 11:48.58 | wols_ | no. any system user can log in via ssh by default |
| 11:49.04 | petemc | poppiez: you're better off using adduser to create new users, unless you know what you're doing with useradd |
| 11:49.34 | poppiez | petemc: I meant useradd* sorry |
| 11:49.41 | poppiez | adduser* omg |
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| 11:51.01 | petemc | !tell poppiez about debug sshd |
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| 11:55.17 | ksk | an "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to install mktemp - why? i do not want :p |
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| 11:56.15 | wols_ | ksk: aptitude why mktemp ? |
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| 11:56.37 | ksk | Unable to find a reason to install mktemp. |
| 11:56.42 | ksk | see, i wrote "apt-get" |
| 11:56.51 | ksk | aptitude full/dist-upgrade does not want to install it.. |
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| 11:57.13 | ksk | but apticron uses "apt-get" so i get an email everyday |
| 11:57.27 | wols_ | recommends, suggest maybe? |
| 11:58.19 | wols_ | ksk: which version of debian is this? for me, coreutils replaces mktemp |
| 11:58.23 | wols_ | ,info mktemp |
| 11:58.25 | judd | Package mktemp (oldlibs, extra) in squeeze/i386: coreutils mktemp transitional package. Version: 8.5-1; Size: 14.5k; Installed: 20k |
| 11:59.05 | wols_ | apt-cache rdepends mktemp |
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| 12:03.07 | ksk | arr, some fool added a lenny repo to /etc/apt/sources.list - guess that will be the problem here |
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| 12:03.26 | ksk | thanks for the detailed help wols_ :) |
| 12:03.47 | pradyumna | how to mount all the partitions along with system startup? |
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| 12:04.22 | ksk | pradyumna: take a look at /etc/fstab |
| 12:05.29 | pradyumna | so i add all the partions to the list? |
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| 12:06.14 | Iridos | where does pbuilder take the source specified in the .dsc file from? Does it take the source from the same directory or download the source package? |
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| 12:07.24 | wols_ | pradyumna: man fstab |
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| 12:12.50 | DasEi | Iridos: from the source repo or a manual chosen d/l dir |
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| 12:13.21 | Iridos | it takes the one in the same dir... it just complained that the size doesn't match the one in the dsc-file :) |
| 12:13.39 | DasEi | Iridos: either you set the repo and apt-get it or manually put it to a created dir |
| 12:13.41 | Iridos | and the checksum doesn't either, I didn't look at the file closely :) |
| 12:14.18 | Iridos | mmh, two checksums |
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| 12:16.12 | DasEi | Iridos: possibly mixed source from repo and manual download ? |
| 12:16.16 | Kasreyn | so.. USB sticks are automounted by gnome on insert: "/dev/sdd on /media/E9A2-1014 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush)". so are SD cards. but why are they not mounted with gid/uid=1000 ? how can i change that ? "/dev/sdc2 on /media/82b6df34-de56-44ec-b2a9-088ad5c19fd8 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)" |
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| 12:17.29 | DasEi | Kasreyn: use fstab and a blkid to mount them |
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| 12:18.07 | Iridos | DasEi, no, it just takes the stuff that's already present (perhaps downloads if it's not present, didn't try)... I want to see if a bug in bash disappears when I build without debian patches... and seems easiest to build the package editing the patches to remove everything affecting source code (well, might still come from some build-option, but I'll see) |
| 12:18.11 | Kasreyn | DasEi: if i put them in fstab they'll no longer be automounted |
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| 12:18.50 | Kasreyn | i'm writing now data removing/inserting it a lot so it's a feature i want |
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| 12:19.34 | Iridos | Kasreyn, because it's ext4... that has full set of unix-type users. It's only things like vfat that doesn't have users that you mount as a specific user |
| 12:19.55 | Kasreyn | Iridos: you're right. didn't think of that |
| 12:21.18 | DasEi | Kasreyn: autofs5 might be what you want, but myself hasn't played with that enough |
| 12:22.07 | Iridos | Kasreyn, is uid= a generic mount option that works for everything? From manpage it's not listed for ext4, but it is listed for fat... |
| 12:22.15 | Kasreyn | DasEi: was just thinking that. can't find the package though |
| 12:22.41 | Iridos | Kasreyn, anyway... just set all files to a+rwX? |
| 12:22.43 | Kasreyn | Iridos: don't know.. but it makes sense that it should not be possible |
| 12:23.36 | DasEi | Kasreyn: apt-get install autofs5 ; http://pastebin.com/kA4eECnp ( /etc/auto.master) |
| 12:23.41 | Kasreyn | ,versions autofs5 |
| 12:23.43 | judd | Package autofs5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.3-3; squeeze: 5.0.4-3.2; sid: 5.0.4-3.2+b1; wheezy: 5.0.4-3.2+b1 |
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| 12:24.01 | Kasreyn | weird, i don't have it |
| 12:24.32 | Iridos | Kasreyn, seems to me ext4 has no mount option "uid". Try by mounting as root with -o uid=1000 or whatever |
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| 12:25.34 | Kasreyn | Iridos: [20146.719036] EXT4-fs (sdc2): Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value |
| 12:25.47 | Kasreyn | i guess you can't |
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| 12:26.27 | pradyumna | http://pastebin.com/iiGi1Jap |
| 12:26.34 | pradyumna | that is my fstab |
| 12:26.54 | pradyumna | what am i missing, its not mounting the partitions |
| 12:27.29 | Kasreyn | you can chown the files but as i am installing a root fs it requires a lot of root-owned directories. basically i'm trying to install a root without being root |
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| 12:28.43 | Iridos | fakeroot? |
| 12:29.11 | DasEi | pradyumna: last line on ",rw" |
| 12:29.13 | Iridos | probably not |
| 12:29.43 | pradyumna | remove it?? |
| 12:29.55 | DasEi | pradyumna: remove that and cown the mountdir to desired user, err, you created them, nor ? |
| 12:30.00 | DasEi | chown* |
| 12:30.02 | Kasreyn | Iridos: multistrap and schroot |
| 12:30.48 | pradyumna | i have to chown media foler? |
| 12:30.54 | pradyumna | folder* |
| 12:31.21 | jelly | Kasreyn: I'm afraid you can't do that, Dave |
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| 12:31.35 | DasEi | pradyumna: 1) /media/Walkman exists, as you manually created them ? |
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| 12:32.12 | pradyumna | i did not create any folders i just added the last line |
| 12:32.12 | Iridos | pradyumna, it's not mounting _what_ partition _when_ |
| 12:32.26 | DasEi | ... as do cdrom0 and 1 ? |
| 12:32.29 | Kasreyn | jelly: hehe that's ok .. i do have root after all. just get a bit queasy doing stuff like "rm -r $(TARGET)/" |
| 12:32.57 | pradyumna | Iridos: I am trying to mount all partitions at startup |
| 12:33.07 | DasEi | pradyumna: makedir /media/Walkman and so on as root.. |
| 12:33.12 | jelly | Kasreyn: [ -z "$TARGET" ] && echo "U MAD?" |
| 12:33.21 | Iridos | pradyumna, which ones are you talking about specifically |
| 12:33.38 | DasEi | pradyumna: mkdir, oc |
| 12:34.16 | pradyumna | Iridos: I have added the Walkman partition as a test to the fstab |
| 12:34.19 | DasEi | pradyumna: chown -R Username /mount/dir |
| 12:34.29 | pradyumna | Iridos: in the above pastebin |
| 12:34.32 | Kasreyn | yeah i started to be a lot more careful since my last chroot "accident" |
| 12:34.50 | pradyumna | DasEi: K will do |
| 12:35.08 | DasEi | pradyumna: when done, consider using blkids, as /dev/sdx can change |
| 12:35.22 | DasEi | pradyumna: blkid gives identifiers |
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| 12:35.29 | Iridos | pradyumna, it's pretty obvious why cdrom0 and cdrom1 aren't mounted... and as for the last, you can't mount stuff rw with the kernel driver, I think that still has only read-only support (so trying to mount rw might just stop with an error, which you should see in dmesg), for rw you need ntfs3g |
| 12:35.32 | DasEi | pradyumna: mount -a when done |
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| 12:35.56 | DasEi | Iridos: works, but not for ntfs |
| 12:37.05 | Iridos | DasEi, what? |
| 12:37.29 | Iridos | I was of course only referring to ntfs... |
| 12:37.36 | Iridos | s/stuff/ntfs/ |
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| 12:39.45 | pradyumna | DasEi: My partition became readonly?? |
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| 12:41.50 | DasEi | pradyumna: linux won't read permissions on ntfs, but on the mountdir, if you set that as root, goto re-chown |
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| 12:43.42 | DasEi | pradyumna: the partition is your walkman,and win cares for ntfs-rights, the mountdir is just a dir, not a parti, but handled with linux-permissions |
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| 12:45.58 | pradyumna | So it should be nomal in windows right? |
| 12:46.04 | pradyumna | normal* |
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| 12:47.27 | jetscreamer | so anybody ever figure out how windows can set some permission on a file that root cannot cp? i'm not positive what the filename is, but it keeps me from cloning all the files in a windows partition.. it's way under that winsxs stuff if that means anything to anybody |
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| 12:49.26 | DasEi | jetscreamer: bad filename ? |
| 12:50.06 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 12:50.21 | DasEi | jetscreamer: I have seen it, wierd filenames are "translated" wrong , and then can't move it |
| 12:51.02 | DasEi | jetscreamer: try rsync -Pr on that folder as you would use cp |
| 12:51.17 | jetscreamer | i've seen it, but more of a windows problem that linux has no problem with |
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| 12:51.22 | jetscreamer | this is the other way |
| 12:51.54 | DasEi | jetscreamer: maybe just a link where win can't find actually data |
| 12:52.44 | jetscreamer | i'm more interested in how it happens, i 'know' this 'must' be ms keeping linux from being a simple backup solution for windows... it worked fine with windows 2000 |
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| 12:53.19 | jetscreamer | it's that win filesystem gives root 'permission denied' |
| 12:53.26 | jetscreamer | h.t.f. |
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| 12:54.25 | DasEi | jetscreamer: no idea, new win 7 feature ? in xp never seen such |
| 12:54.51 | jetscreamer | xp/vista/and i would imagine 7 as well |
| 12:55.00 | DasEi | jetscreamer: rather sounds to me like syncing to a target w/o writeaccess |
| 12:55.39 | DasEi | jetscreamer: xp's ntfs hasn't such |
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| 13:00.39 | pradyumna | Tried everything but the Partiton is still read-only |
| 13:01.00 | Iridos | pradyumna, I told you you need ntfs3g ... |
| 13:01.03 | jetscreamer | ntfs?\ |
| 13:01.08 | jetscreamer | !ntfsrw |
| 13:01.09 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 13:01.32 | Iridos | pradyumna, and you're aware that if you say is true and you "tried everything", that means there is nothing else you could try, so it would be pointless asking here |
| 13:01.44 | jetscreamer | !tell pradyumna -about user accessible ntfs |
| 13:01.55 | Iridos | jetscreamer, yeah... should have called that up earlier on... |
| 13:01.59 | Iridos | but was going to do that next! |
| 13:02.09 | pradyumna | tried everything that inside my knowledge |
| 13:02.26 | Iridos | hehe |
| 13:02.41 | jetscreamer | set the UID and GID in the fstab/mount directive |
| 13:02.47 | jetscreamer | yadda yadda |
| 13:04.21 | Iridos | there's an example in the link, iirc |
| 13:04.30 | seb82 | does any know how I can change the X resolution from prompt... when system doesn't use xorg.conf? |
| 13:04.34 | Iridos | example for fstab, that is |
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| 13:05.04 | Iridos | seb82, xrandr |
| 13:05.23 | Iridos | actually not sure what exactly you're asking |
| 13:05.28 | seb82 | Can't open display |
| 13:05.51 | Iridos | you can only change X resolution if you run X |
| 13:06.15 | seb82 | right so no more X... |
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| 13:06.53 | seb82 | because running X gives me a blank screen |
| 13:07.09 | Iridos | aha |
| 13:07.14 | Iridos | that reminds me of... |
| 13:07.20 | Iridos | !real question |
| 13:07.20 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 13:07.26 | Iridos | and you think it is, because the resolution is wrong |
| 13:07.50 | Iridos | well, you can make a new xorg and edit that with "X -configure" |
| 13:08.10 | seb82 | from the installation... my system ran without xorg.conf |
| 13:08.27 | Iridos | oh, that changed |
| 13:08.32 | Iridos | dpkg, xorg config squeeze |
| 13:08.32 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration". If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 13:12.17 | Bartzy | Can I limit the network bandwidth that a NFS server can use, or the whole machine ? |
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| 13:12.28 | seb82 | the created xorg.conf doesn't hold any resolutions... |
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| 13:15.13 | wols_ | Bartzy: yes. via cgroups for example, or via HTB a iptables setup. both non trivial |
| 13:15.54 | wols_ | seb82: what does your XOrg log say? |
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| 13:17.09 | ronin444 | do you know other way to set up static networking, except setting /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:17.35 | ronin444 | and to preserve the settings after reboot |
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| 13:18.24 | seb82 | a lot... and since it's on another computer... I can't put up somehwere... |
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| 13:19.18 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: why would you need that? |
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| 13:20.42 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, i do not use dhcp for my home network |
| 13:21.05 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: ok, and what's the problem with using /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:21.19 | ronin444 | it does not work any more |
| 13:21.46 | Iridos | !doesn't work |
| 13:21.47 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 13:22.03 | ronin444 | it worked, i installed one library from google open source and it broke my setup |
| 13:22.22 | thewanderer1 | what library did you install? |
| 13:22.43 | ronin444 | now when i reboot no ip is set no gateway and the mac is strange |
| 13:22.57 | ronin444 | i have to check |
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| 13:24.27 | Iridos | seb82, can you connect to the machine via ssh? |
| 13:25.19 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, libdnet |
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| 13:26.01 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: and you installed it from where? and what Debian version are you running? |
| 13:26.03 | seb82 | Iridos: not at the moment |
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| 13:26.33 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, from the source http://code.google.com/p/libdnet/downloads/list |
| 13:27.22 | ronin444 | lenny 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 13:27.22 | themill | !dbugs 635604 |
| 13:27.27 | dpkg | DONE:#635604:C[dnet-common] postinst script does always generate node database (upstream confirmed); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:15:01 UTC [637179] |
| 13:27.30 | Iridos | seb82, when you can... you could run xrandr and see what it thinks the resolution is (and change it on the fly)... it's only a bit more difficult now, because the magic cookie isn't kept in the home directory anymore, it's in /var/run/gdm3/*/database |
| 13:28.37 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, i suppose it has written smth somewhere, before or after the configuration file /etc/network/interfaces is read |
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| 13:29.43 | ronin444 | so I am searching where this can be |
| 13:30.02 | Iridos | and what's more fun, /var/run/gdm3 is not readable by normal users \o/ |
| 13:30.12 | thewanderer1 | that's strange, it looks like a library shouldn't be messing with interface configuration |
| 13:30.37 | seb82 | Irisdos: I was able to do it on the fly like you suggested... |
| 13:31.00 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: have your network interface names changed perhaps? |
| 13:31.23 | themill | thewanderer1: have a look at the bug dpkg just mentioned. |
| 13:31.53 | tdn | I have installed mysql server using apt-get. Now there is set a password for user debian-sys-maint. How do I get this password? |
| 13:31.54 | seb82 | /var/run/gdm3 is also empty when I access it as root... on either sudo or as full root |
| 13:32.15 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, no the configuration in the file is the same like before |
| 13:32.26 | thewanderer1 | themill: somehow I think it's a coincidental library name conflict and not the same package... |
| 13:33.13 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: yes, but the interfaces themselves, as reported by `ip link show` - is their names the same? any noticeable differences there? |
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| 13:34.03 | Iridos | seb82, you were? How? If /var/run/gdm3 is empty... are you using gdm3? (It's the default for the gnome-installs)... If you are, I would say it's not just a resolution that your monitor cannot display, but that X hangs |
| 13:34.26 | seb82 | I'm using gdm3 |
| 13:34.50 | seb82 | X is working again like a charm on reboot, after applying the resolution change on the fly... |
| 13:34.56 | themill | thewanderer1: maybe.... same symptoms though. Changed MAC addr and dhcp fails. |
| 13:35.07 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, nope lo and eth0 |
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| 13:35.27 | ksk | whats the difference between "dm-crypt" and "loop-aes" - is there some good documentation/comparison about this avaliable? |
| 13:35.28 | seb82 | perhaps it has to do with the fact that I replaced opengl with something else... |
| 13:35.38 | Iridos | I dunno... something must be different from what you describe, this doesn't make any sense |
| 13:35.47 | Iridos | ha |
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| 13:36.02 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: so you're saying the mac is strange - does it look similar to the address from this bug report? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635604 |
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| 13:36.30 | seb82 | Iridos: you are right... it does hang... when changing from gdm3 to the desktkop... it hangs liturally in between... I can see the login-screne and the desktop... |
| 13:36.43 | seb82 | blended in one another |
| 13:36.49 | thewanderer1 | themill: I think he said he's not using DHCP, but I agree in that it looks related, despite the fact that the libdnet seems to be a completely different package to me O.o |
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| 13:36.57 | seb82 | and the entire system is hanging... |
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| 13:37.30 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, there is one strange thing that i am trying to solve though, with one router that supports 10/100 it sets my connection to 10Mbps half-duplex |
| 13:37.45 | ronin444 | but with other router it works fine |
| 13:37.47 | Iridos | how can I run pbuilder with a modified dsc file? I removed the pgp signature, but it complains about that |
| 13:37.52 | themill | thewanderer1: yeah, completely different version numbers etc too. |
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| 13:38.38 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: first things first, does the MAC address appear similar to the one from the bug report? |
| 13:39.09 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, lol same mac |
| 13:39.24 | g00se | If my target installation medium is dodgy (say containing many bad blocks) then how can i determine ahead of time whether the target is TOO dodgy to make it worth proceeding? I could run badblocks perhaps but that could take a long time... |
| 13:39.51 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: are you sure that the libdnet you have is the one from the Google Code site, or some package from the Debian repository? |
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| 13:41.04 | marky611 | -q |
| 13:41.07 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, i am not sure, but as far as i remember i downloaded it from there. It was though 2 months ago or so |
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| 13:41.20 | ronin444 | it may be from the repository too |
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| 13:42.09 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: paste the output of `apt-cache policy dnet-common` to paste.debian.net please |
| 13:42.17 | themill | ronin444: aptitude versions "?source-package(dnprogs)" might be interesting |
| 13:42.54 | last1 | I'm running squeeze with kernel: 2.6.35.4-rscloud x86_64 |
| 13:43.08 | last1 | is there a linux-headers package for my version ? I can't seem to find one in the repositories |
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| 13:43.52 | thewanderer1 | last1: this is not an official Debian kernel |
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| 13:44.43 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, http://paste.debian.net/128487/ |
| 13:45.59 | wols_ | last1: ask whoever gave you the kernel for the header package. if you are inside a VPS you might have no access to the kernel anyways |
| 13:46.03 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: ok well, it looks like you have it installed from Debian repositories, and that's messing up your MAC address and possibly the whole network setup |
| 13:46.25 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: basically it's a DECnet library that also happens to be buggy... :P you should remove that |
| 13:46.41 | last1 | ok, thank you |
| 13:46.56 | wols_ | last1: http://www.google.de/search?q=2.6.35.4-rscloud shows you how to compile modules (amont other things) for your kernel it seems |
| 13:47.15 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, allright good news then : )), but where did this thing put the dirty |
| 13:47.28 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, i will try to remove it |
| 13:48.06 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, and thanks a lot man |
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| 13:48.53 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: you can list the files that a package has installed with `dpkg -L packagename`; it may skip some files generated after install, though. (also, don't remove package files by hand or dpkg will be angry :P ) |
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| 13:50.33 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, ok i will serach a bit, when i remove it will it best to purge it too |
| 13:51.03 | thewanderer1 | ronin444: yeah, purge it |
| 13:51.34 | ronin444 | thewanderer1, ok man, thanks a lot and have a nice day/night .. :P |
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| 13:54.18 | Iridos | is there no way to ignore a missing signature in a changed .dsc file? |
| 13:54.19 | _Dave123_ | connection method for mysql database of phpmyadmin, what should i chose? unix socket or tcp/ip? |
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| 13:55.10 | themill | Iridos: any reason you're trying to use pbuilder for this rather than just building on your host system? |
| 13:55.51 | Iridos | themill, yes, but not so very good ones, so that's what I'm doing now |
| 13:55.52 | wols_ | _Dave123_: socket normally |
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| 13:56.45 | Iridos | themill, one of them was to get pbuilder a bit more to know... well... now I know one needs a pgp key to use it /o\ |
| 13:58.10 | themill | Iridos: I don't think I've ever signed the dsc file prior to building the package |
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| 13:59.16 | joeSimpson | I'm having issues with openssh I can't connect to it I get connection refused ( Don't think's running ) Here is /var/log/auth http://pastebin.com/MuXbgvJq and ssh conf http://pastebin.com/zBK5aScT |
| 13:59.18 | Iridos | pbuilder is refusing to build without and there seems to be no override... oh well |
| 14:00.29 | Iridos | Jul 28 22:06:08 localhost sshd[533]: Received signal 15; terminating. |
| 14:00.43 | Iridos | ... |
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| 14:03.39 | joeSimpson | Iridos, it's not starting properly? |
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| 14:04.27 | Iridos | check if it's running? like... ps aux |grep root.*[s]shd |
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| 14:05.15 | Iridos | also, netstat -an |grep ':22 .*LISTEN' |
| 14:05.17 | thewanderer1 | does wheezy have a security repo? |
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| 14:05.26 | themill | dpkg: tell thewanderer1 about testing security |
| 14:06.01 | thewanderer1 | themill: oh thanks, I didn't know what factoid to try :P |
| 14:06.02 | joeSimpson | Iridos, yup it's not running |
| 14:06.21 | Iridos | then not very surprising that you cannot connect |
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| 14:07.32 | Iridos | it says it's been killed. how did you start it |
| 14:07.59 | themill | thewanderer1: (xorg-server is the only package actually in wheezy security at present) |
| 14:08.24 | thewanderer1 | themill: ok, I only need it for pinning |
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| 14:08.57 | joeSimpson | Iridos, I was doing something stupid editing ssh_config not sshd_config , works now , Thanks |
| 14:09.37 | tdn | I have installed mysql server using apt-get. Now there is set a password for user debian-sys-maint. How do I get (or reset) this password? |
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| 14:13.08 | petern_ | tdn, i think it's in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 14:13.17 | tdn | petern_, ah. Ok. |
| 14:13.40 | petern_ | well, that's where scripts access it from |
| 14:13.47 | petern_ | the password itself will be inside the database |
| 14:14.01 | tdn | petern_, I guess this is automatically generated during install of mysql package. Is there a way to easily set or reset it via a script? |
| 14:14.12 | g00se | If my target installation medium is dodgy (say containing many bad blocks) then how can i determine ahead of time whether the target is TOO dodgy to make it worth proceeding? I could run badblocks perhaps but that could take a long time... |
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| 14:16.25 | Iridos | g00se, SMART, possibly. |
| 14:16.36 | Iridos | oh, installation medium... == CD? |
| 14:16.56 | petern_ | tdn, i'm not aware of one, but i've never looked |
| 14:16.57 | Iridos | why do you bother, just make a new one for 50 cent or use cdrw or usb stick |
| 14:17.02 | tdn | petern_, ok |
| 14:17.25 | wols_ | g00se: any test will take a long time. no way around it since all sectors have to be tested. smartctl -t long is the best way to check if SMART is available |
| 14:17.29 | g00se | Iridos: Target is HD. Yes, Smart might be a good idea |
| 14:17.56 | wols_ | g00se: usb hdd or internal? |
| 14:18.01 | petern_ | if the target is dodgy, i'd just bin it :S |
| 14:18.09 | g00se | wols_: internal |
| 14:18.37 | petern_ | generally drive failures get worse |
| 14:18.55 | g00se | petern_: Poss |
| 14:19.05 | petern_ | well, ok, in my experience, which may not be general |
| 14:19.29 | petern_ | like i installed into 60% of a drive because bits of the last 40% had errors |
| 14:19.43 | petern_ | slowly it got more & more errors on the first 60% too |
| 14:19.54 | g00se | Yes i see |
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| 14:21.46 | kkulhavy | Hi in Debian Forefox I have [x] Java Enabled |
| 14:21.53 | kkulhavy | But Sun Java Test Page says Java is not working |
| 14:21.58 | KNUBBIG | Hey, I got my apache throwing a segmentation fault (11) for a child since some time and after a certain amount of these faults, it stops acceptint any incoming connections and has to be restarted manually. Any idea what could cause that? |
| 14:21.59 | kkulhavy | How do I make it work? |
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| 14:24.14 | kkulhavy | I found "Installing Sun's Java environment on Debian systems" but for me it seems inappropriately complicated |
| 14:24.23 | wols_ | !tell kkulhavy about install java |
| 14:24.44 | jelly | that factoid is going to need an update soonish |
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| 14:25.51 | n0sq | somiaj: i have network-manager-gnome installed - it was installed in the original install instead of network-manager-kde even though i'm using kde - anyway, there is no reference to the wireless interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:27.05 | n0sq | my wife's laptop auto-connects but i have network-manager-kde installed on that lappy |
| 14:28.12 | n0sq | i guess i'll have to remove the gnome manager off of my laptop and see if the kde manager fixes the problem |
| 14:28.35 | wols_ | the manager for both uses the same backend. these things are just a GUI for that |
| 14:29.30 | Iridos | what are they using?? |
| 14:29.42 | themill | network-manager |
| 14:29.57 | Iridos | eye sea |
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| 14:31.09 | VMS | I'm using ircii, if I join a channel then join another it parts the first joined channel, how do I join multiple channels and switch between channel windows? |
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| 14:31.50 | wols_ | VMS: you use another client which is from this age. use irssi |
| 14:32.17 | VMS | This machine is limited to ircii |
| 14:32.29 | wols_ | how is it limited to that? irssi is in debian |
| 14:32.41 | mutante | VMS: /win 2 |
| 14:32.44 | VMS | I don't have access to install it |
| 14:32.48 | mutante | sorry, error |
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| 14:32.56 | wols_ | you can unpack irssi in your ~ then |
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| 14:34.00 | g00se | petern_: I think the disk has to be pretty dodgy since i'm using System Rescue CD on it at the mo and am getting udev errors like /sys/devices/pci0000 ... /block/sda/sda1 on boot |
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| 14:34.24 | wols_ | g00se: check dmesg output. if there are errors, it shows there |
| 14:34.38 | VMS | $ tar -zxf IRSSI-0_8_15_TAR.GZ |
| 14:34.40 | VMS | tar: directory checksum error for |
| 14:35.09 | themill | VMS: is this actually a debian problem, btw? |
| 14:35.34 | wols_ | VMS: dpkg -x irssi_xyz.deb |
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| 14:36.57 | wols_ | fyi, ircii in debian is from 2005. wow, just wow |
| 14:37.00 | g00se | wols_: I'm still in pre-Debian stages unfortunately |
| 14:37.10 | joe6 | just upgraded to the kernel-3.0. There is no update-rc.d, now. What is the equivalent to stop/remove services |
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| 14:39.33 | wols_ | what has kernel to do with update-rc.d? and afaik update-rc.d is still there in every debian |
| 14:39.57 | joe6 | my bad. I can see it with which. |
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| 14:43.06 | Iridos | wols_, 2005? What newfangled stuff |
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| 14:46.11 | kuznetzvo | good morning, geniuses and wols_ |
| 14:46.26 | kuznetzvo | and wols because he is not human. no human brain could contain such intelligence. |
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| 14:47.15 | kuznetzvo | lets pretend i've been a bad boy and linked openssl with gnu/gpl code. but.. when loading certs, it gives this error: root@wittgenstein:/# 2011/09/04 18:38:23| Failed to acquire SSL certificate '/home/kuznetzvo/CA/key_and_proxy.pem': error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line |
| 14:47.15 | kuznetzvo | bash: 2011/09/04: No such file or directory |
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| 14:47.29 | kuznetzvo | [squid 3-3.1.6-2 iirc] |
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| 14:47.51 | kuznetzvo | does that have some kind of secret meaning because I tried moving the cert to a directory that squid.squid has ownership to but nogo |
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| 14:50.00 | kuznetzvo | triec specifying the cert.pem as the cert.pem, tried cat key.pem cert.pem > keycert.pem but same error :( |
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| 14:51.08 | mutante | kuznetzvo: file "does not |
| 14:51.10 | mutante | contain a âââBEGIN CERTIFICATEâââ-line" ? |
| 14:51.37 | kuznetzvo | hmmm |
| 14:51.40 | themill | kuznetzvo: you get that error when it's not really a pem file |
| 14:51.53 | kuznetzvo | why would openssl do that to me? :( |
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| 14:52.02 | g00se | Presumably a smartctl test in 'off-line mode' should be seen as a running process even if it appears to be backgrounded? |
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| 14:52.16 | mutante | -outform PEM ? |
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| 14:52.22 | themill | kuznetzvo: (and linking against openssl is perfectly allowed -- it's distributing the linked versions that Debian can't do) |
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| 14:52.49 | kuznetzvo | yeah but i should be using gnutls, etc. i just tend not to respect licensing restrictions unless it's in commercial environments |
| 14:52.50 | jelly | mutante: your minus signs seem to magically transform into UTF-8 dashes. Beware!! |
| 14:53.17 | kuznetzvo | yeah they all got begin certification |
| 14:53.31 | thewanderer1 | g00se: I think SMART is self-sufficient and tests happen as a firmware procedure, not a Linux process |
| 14:53.39 | mutante | jelly: thanks, copy/paste |
| 14:54.32 | yctn | hello guys. i have 4 debian server on the web. one of them is a webserver on my server i have a python script that checks every minet if the server if up if dont it writes it in a log. the script report one server once or twice a day that it gone offline and one minet afther that its online again.. so i'm trying to find out where is the problem.. i already replaced the server on that location |
| 14:54.33 | yctn | adn did a full reinstall. didnt get any bether so i think the connection has a problemen somewhere.. i already installed smokeping to see if there is any interesting but no. somebody advice about this issue? |
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| 14:56.06 | g00se | thewanderer1: It's all very mysterious ;) |
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| 14:57.54 | wols_ | yctn: traceroute when the error occurs (extend your script), do a better error reporting (what fails? DNS lookup, connection, etc) |
| 14:58.27 | yctn | connection failt |
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| 14:58.45 | kuznetzvo | i think something is wrong.. i shouldn't have just a CSR for the squid application when i've created the root self signed cert.. but i'm not sure how to process the CSR into a signed cert by my ca.. though i'm pretty sure that would need to be done, based on my results from cat'ing everything in the CA dir |
| 14:58.52 | kuznetzvo | brb though. morning constitutional ;) |
| 14:58.59 | wols_ | g00se: smartctl -t long is what you want. and unless you specifiy it, there is nothing in background |
| 14:59.01 | yctn | the python scripts requests the content of a webpage on the server that i wanne check.. it does that every minit |
| 14:59.29 | wols_ | yctn: as I said: do better error handling (not connecting is an error) in your script |
| 15:00.34 | yctn | how can i bether trace that? i dont use dns i connect on it so it can connect or it cannot connect what other options are possible? |
| 15:01.11 | wols_ | I just told you what you can do: traceroute for example |
| 15:01.37 | g00se | wols_: Thanks for that. I DID do what you mentioned before but got http://pastebin.com/h2nXtpNg and i've not real way of knowing whether it 'worked' |
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| 15:04.51 | Iridos | yctn, also, why didn't you check on the server if it really went down before replacing it |
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| 15:05.51 | kuznetzvo | k |
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| 15:07.46 | g00se | There's something wrong with hd io but a smart health check passes. I'm not quite sure what could be wrong. Would a kind soul look at http://pastebin.com/RswCLvCt and let me know what's happening? |
| 15:08.22 | kuznetzvo | maybe. lemme see |
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| 15:11.24 | kuznetzvo | lotta people out there have similar issues. people seem to be blaming everything from bad HDD, bad controller, or bad firmware |
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| 15:14.48 | g00se | kuznetzvo: I'd like at least to eliminate the disk itself |
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| 15:15.33 | kuznetzvo | smart can sometimes test ok when the hard drive hasn't accumulated enough problems |
| 15:16.08 | unkmar | when the disk surface doesn't have many problems. |
| 15:16.32 | kuznetzvo | if you have your data backed up you can try to find a firmware update for the hard drive |
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| 15:16.44 | kuznetzvo | unless you want to find some copy of pc-check or similar and really grind the testing |
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| 15:17.06 | kuznetzvo | though by far i am not an expert on figuring out hardware issues with linux =p |
| 15:17.14 | g00se | kuznetzvo: It's actually 'empty'. I'm in pre-install |
| 15:17.37 | kuznetzvo | got the model of the drive? |
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| 15:18.51 | g00se | kuznetzvo: According to Smart: TOSHIBA MK2565GSX |
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| 15:22.20 | rozie | can you paste smartctl -A /dev/sdX output? |
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| 15:23.33 | kuznetzvo | they do not appear to have firmware available for that model but it appears you can contact their tech support for it |
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| 15:23.57 | kuznetzvo | they might be able to point you where to download some proprietary partition alignment or diagnostic gear.. maybe zero the drive first |
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| 15:24.45 | g00se | rozie: http://pastebin.com/ymk3G9zZ |
| 15:25.17 | g00se | kuznetzvo: I did think of zeroing it |
| 15:25.18 | themill | rozie: pm? |
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| 15:26.11 | kuznetzvo | rozie does that look ok to you? for a new drive i'm not really happy with those numbers |
| 15:26.33 | kuznetzvo | wait it says it's not new nm |
| 15:26.45 | kuznetzvo | semi-new i guess |
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| 15:28.02 | g00se | kuznetzvo: It once had Win 7 installed on it. It's probably 2-4 years old |
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| 15:28.50 | kuznetzvo | yeah man those 5400rpm drives like that are really shitty... |
| 15:29.04 | kuznetzvo | i've seen some die 6-12 months... especially in a laptop |
| 15:30.18 | kuznetzvo | i mean if you can afford it, grab a nice and fast 7200rpm 2.5" hard drive from newegg if you're in the US. they're cheap |
| 15:30.19 | g00se | kuznetzvo: What i REALLY want to avoid is replacement of the hd then finding that there are still io problems |
| 15:30.28 | kuznetzvo | got another drive to try? |
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| 15:31.11 | g00se | kuznetzvo: Nothing to hand unfortunately |
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| 15:32.18 | kuznetzvo | i mean sometimes you can get away with zero'ing the drive and you'll get a little more time with it |
| 15:32.34 | kuznetzvo | but for a 5400rpm laptop hard drive.. you're really pushing it at 2-4 years of use |
| 15:32.41 | kuznetzvo | i wouldn't trust it with my data anyway |
| 15:33.21 | kuznetzvo | ~3 years seems to be about the time your laptop typical HDD's will start to die.. typically right after the warranty expires |
| 15:33.22 | g00se | kuznetzvo: Since it's empty i could zero it and then see what happens when booting with System Rescue CD again i suppose? |
| 15:33.31 | kuznetzvo | at this point it cannot hurt. |
| 15:33.42 | kuznetzvo | but you should try to get manufacturer specific tools from toshiba |
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| 15:34.53 | g00se | kuznetzvo: Yes. So dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda should be good enough for now? |
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| 15:36.31 | kuznetzvo | i'm not sure if that's the right syntax tbh |
| 15:36.37 | kuznetzvo | i spent most of my life as a windows and hardware guy |
| 15:36.43 | kuznetzvo | so we need somebody else to confirm the right syntax |
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| 15:37.23 | g00se | ok |
| 15:37.47 | kuznetzvo | i learned not to like used hard drives many years ago |
| 15:37.48 | g00se | kuznetzvo: That would of course take any partition table out too |
| 15:38.06 | kuznetzvo | 1-2 years fine. 3-4 years serious concerns. 5 or more years and it's not an enterprise grade drive = garbage |
| 15:38.15 | kuznetzvo | repartitioning is really no big deal whatsoever. |
| 15:38.38 | kuznetzvo | we're talking at most, minutes |
| 15:38.41 | kuznetzvo | to repartition |
| 15:38.53 | g00se | If the rest of the lappy were worth it i suppose a good SSD would be good |
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| 15:39.30 | kuznetzvo | oooh! a finny! they speak funky moon people language :) |
| 15:39.50 | kuznetzvo | it's about as comprehensible as icelandic.. |
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| 15:42.02 | g00se | runs dd and waits |
| 15:42.06 | kuznetzvo | don't buy ssd. |
| 15:42.16 | kuznetzvo | especially if you don't have a spare sata channel for the REAL hard drive. |
| 15:42.31 | kuznetzvo | with the typical laptop sata controller it's gonna suck so much you can't justify the cost. |
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| 15:42.42 | kuznetzvo | but that's really ##hardware |
| 15:42.58 | kuznetzvo | (i'm psychic. i knew what wols_ was going to say) |
| 15:43.08 | jpwhiting | hmm, fresh wheezy install and iceweasel crashes when downloading stuff or showing the prefs dialog |
| 15:43.13 | jpwhiting | with /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so: undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_unescape_string in the console |
| 15:43.43 | TheCoffeMaker | kuznetzvo, really ? I though that SSD hd's were going to perform really better than the common HDs |
| 15:43.50 | jpwhiting | otherwise it's nice to be back on debian, debian rocks :) |
| 15:44.10 | ir8 | dns anyone know if bind w/ dlz can support DNS-SEC as of yet? |
| 15:44.13 | kuznetzvo | i don't want to discuss that here. ##hardware please then say my name in channel to highlight me =p |
| 15:44.35 | kuznetzvo | you'll get more opinions there than you could ever want about hardware. |
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| 15:44.58 | kuznetzvo | Quack. I'll be back. |
| 15:45.02 | TheCoffeMaker | kuznetzvo, ^_^ don't worry I'm not planning to buy one :P |
| 15:45.12 | kuznetzvo | \o/ |
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| 15:45.55 | kuznetzvo | plus what's the point of SSD's.. when they die they are useless. at least with old drives you can put the magnets on cards in church parking lots and have a very good laugh watching the owner straight all the paint off trying to remove the magnet... |
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| 15:46.06 | kuznetzvo | s/cards/cars |
| 15:46.14 | kuznetzvo | s/straight/scrape |
| 15:46.17 | kuznetzvo | sorry i'm tired :( |
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| 15:46.48 | TheCoffeMaker | kuznetzvo, don't worry ... totally agree with what you wrote :D |
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| 15:47.55 | kuznetzvo | congratulates TheCoffeMaker on being among the more evolved members of the human species |
| 15:48.08 | TheCoffeMaker | LOL |
| 15:48.18 | aguitel | how communicate debian with ipad ? |
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| 15:48.31 | duckinator | Is lenny still supported to *any* extent? This VPS provider I got stuck using for my job apparently likes using distros from 2009, and I get a bunch of 404s from `apt-get update` (such as for http://ftp.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/lenny/volatile/main/binary-amd64/Packages ) |
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| 15:48.41 | kuznetzvo | not sure. with squeeze on my netbook, my friend plugged in his prompt, and it automatically detected it and launched file manager |
| 15:48.49 | kuznetzvo | s/prompt/phone -.- |
| 15:49.13 | aguitel | not with ipad |
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| 15:49.15 | sneex | Hey Hey Happy Labor Day ! :) LOL, sorry :P What is the groups consensus on the wide variety of inclusion of mozilla-filesystem (with the almost all encompassing package involvements) ? |
| 15:49.32 | kuznetzvo | agui: if you bought it, you should have apple support. make them help you? i dunno anyone here who uses mac products |
| 15:50.02 | aguitel | kuznetzvo, ok |
| 15:50.03 | themill | dpkg: tell duckinator about volatile |
| 15:50.11 | kuznetzvo | but i kinda think apple is going to tell you linux is unsupported and that folks here might tell you apple is unsupported Lol |
| 15:50.21 | kuznetzvo | still worth a try. maybe a google first. |
| 15:50.27 | aguitel | jejeje+ |
| 15:50.30 | aguitel | kuznetzvo, ok |
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| 15:51.53 | kuznetzvo | taking a break. sick. |
| 15:51.57 | themill | duckinator: yes, lenny is still supported for another 5 or 6 months. But you should encourage people to migrate to squeeze RSN. The problem there is just that the lenny volatile repo URL is wrong. I vaguely recall that it moved but thought it was years ago. Also, please use a mirror other than ftp.debian.org for your sources.list /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org; /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 15:53.04 | duckinator | themill: alright, thanks. hoping to convince my boss that the VPS provider's trash, so i just have to keep it working for a bit longer... ;) |
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| 15:53.50 | themill | duckinator: are you sure you can't upgrade the VPS to squeeze anyway? (talk to them about it, talk about how little security support left, they're normally clueful enough to recognise this and offer help) |
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| 15:54.59 | duckinator | themill: i'm going to try, at least :P |
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| 15:56.28 | coin3d | hi there. is the debian testing kernel (3.0) already xen enabled? |
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| 15:56.43 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:57.05 | DexterF | if an md degrades where would be a good place to look for whys? |
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| 15:59.37 | sneex | DexterF: Is the system swapping a lot or mysteriously crashing? |
| 15:59.54 | DexterF | sneex: no, not really. |
| 15:59.58 | karlpinc | What is it with "vmstat 1" lines like "0 2 822828 61640 2680 587508 0 0 0 4 447 400 0 1 0 99"? 99 percent wait and the only i/o is 4 blocks out? |
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| 16:02.16 | nasstop | Is there a good website for packaged squeeze theme? |
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| 16:02.50 | nasstop | themes? |
| 16:02.55 | reisio | what's 'SQL database' from the installer actually install? |
| 16:03.07 | ketsa2 | I have a problem with a box i was trying to update to wheezy, aptitude got stuck in a perl-error loop and i cant seem to find a solution. |
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| 16:04.57 | reisio | postgresql, is it? |
| 16:05.32 | sneex | yeskarlpinc: |
| 16:05.37 | themill | reisio: yes, postgres. In general, tasksel isn't that useful (but in this case it might be just what you want). Installing things afterwards with aptitude almost always makes more sense. |
| 16:05.52 | reisio | I agree |
| 16:05.53 | sneex | :p yes, postgres by default; but they are pretty much all available |
| 16:05.59 | reisio | but this is just a test, and postgresql will do fine |
| 16:06.17 | reisio | thankee |
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| 16:07.54 | themill | reisio: if you've got a debian install handy, "tasksel --task-packages database-server" will answer such questions, btw. Not always useful at the installer stage, however. |
| 16:08.03 | reisio | yeah I know :) |
| 16:08.07 | reisio | hadn't, heh |
| 16:08.19 | reisio | and the wiki only says what standard and laptop have, IIRC |
| 16:08.31 | sneex | I used this to see how pulluted my systems was become: apt-cache pkgnames | grep -i sql |
| 16:08.32 | reisio | I should have, though |
| 16:08.53 | reisio | just enabled everything but graphical environment and laptop :p |
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| 16:09.38 | pradyumna | compiz not working |
| 16:10.19 | pradyumna | changing the settings also does nothing |
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| 16:10.50 | reisio | pradyumna: 'not working'? |
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| 16:11.15 | pradyumna | not getting the effects |
| 16:11.47 | ahma | hi |
| 16:12.06 | ahma | iam a problem with debian testing |
| 16:12.38 | ahma | I'm try to download debian with jigdo in windows xp |
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| 16:13.19 | sneex | Did it get all portions and burn a good cd/dvd ? |
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| 16:13.44 | ahma | http://ups.night-skin.com/images/d2qmwa0fbq111czbi0yv.jpg |
| 16:14.02 | reisio | ahma: why not use http? |
| 16:14.32 | pradyumna | What are the packages required to run compiz correctly? |
| 16:15.29 | sneex | pradyumna: a really good graphics cards first off or compiz will act wierd and not work properly |
| 16:15.37 | ahma | wget stop in this point and no downloading in progress+ i cant close download window |
| 16:15.40 | pradyumna | Nvidia *400 |
| 16:15.51 | pradyumna | nvidia8400 * |
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| 16:15.56 | reisio | should be fine |
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| 16:16.18 | pradyumna | next? |
| 16:17.25 | sneex | pradyumna: did you choose Xfce at install or after the fact? |
| 16:17.35 | reisio | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 16:18.11 | ahma | <reisio>: i have debian 6 dvd1 and i think is better to recive debian wheezy with jigdo |
| 16:18.23 | reisio | shrugs |
| 16:18.47 | pradyumna | sneex: i just did and apt-get install |
| 16:18.59 | reisio | pradyumna: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 16:24.50 | nasstop | Is there a good place to find squeeze gnome themes? |
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| 16:27.39 | reisio | nasstop: any GNOME-2 theme should suffice, I would think |
| 16:27.44 | reisio | gnome-look.org ? |
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| 16:28.10 | ahma | no there person that work with jigdo |
| 16:28.19 | reisio | never saw the point |
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| 16:35.24 | wols_ | g00se: that last one was for yctn, not you |
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| 16:37.05 | ketsa2 | hello, i have ugly unresolvablw dependencies problems after trying a squeeze-wheezy update, how can i reinstall a full wheezy ? |
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| 16:37.23 | jpwhiting | sjoerd: any idea why iceweasel would crash with a missing symbol in gnome-vfs libs? |
| 16:37.28 | jpwhiting | on fresh wheezy install |
| 16:37.42 | jpwhiting | it's very annoying, any save dialog, or prefs dialog open crashes it |
| 16:38.05 | jpwhiting | with /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so: undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_unescape_string in the console |
| 16:38.17 | wols_ | !tell ketsa2 about bat |
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| 16:38.32 | wols_ | ketsa2: chances are, it's testing which has the problems. it's testing after all |
| 16:38.54 | TuxFighter | Hi, is there any way to delay the start of the monitoring software (rcconf+cron) after arebooot |
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| 16:39.14 | wols_ | jpwhiting: same goes for you gnome is transitioning to 3.0 right now. problems are to be expected |
| 16:39.28 | jpwhiting | wols_: ah, I see |
| 16:39.33 | jpwhiting | wols_: thanks |
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| 16:40.37 | H3X | whats the pear package name in deb ? |
| 16:41.43 | DexterF | what type of mail account do I have to create in icedove to read the system mail I get with "mail"? |
| 16:41.56 | ketsa2 | thanks wosl, i did a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, the result was " Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade." |
| 16:41.56 | apt | ketsa2: no worries |
| 16:42.20 | pradyumna | pdf create packages? |
| 16:42.31 | themill | apt: shush |
| 16:42.31 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 16:42.48 | ketsa2 | I tried --full-resolver it gets stuck in a perl error loop. |
| 16:42.50 | wols_ | H3X: apt-cache search pear |grep pear |
| 16:43.07 | wols_ | ketsa2: read the factoid again please |
| 16:43.12 | themill | H3X: aptitude search pear |
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| 16:43.35 | themill | !dbugs 638950 |
| 16:43.40 | dpkg | #638950:I[libtext-wrapi18n-perl] libtext-wrapi18n-perl: Fail to upload from stable to testing: Use of uninitialized value $text in concatenation (); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:21:15 UTC [] |
| 16:43.43 | themill | ketsa2: ^^ does it look like that? |
| 16:43.45 | jhutchins_lt | ketsa2: Perhaps wheezy is not for you. It's going to break fairly often between now and release. |
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| 16:44.17 | ketsa2 | well, my X is broken i do not know how to pastebin stuff from the CLI. |
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| 16:45.08 | jhutchins_lt | ketsa2: lynx, links, pastebinit... |
| 16:45.16 | ketsa2 | i ll try |
| 16:45.17 | wols_ | !pastebinit |
| 16:45.17 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 16:45.24 | themill | as long as it's already installed.... |
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| 16:48.50 | ketsa2 | yes themill same error in a loop (the perl error, my problem does not name a specific package) |
| 16:50.09 | themill | ketsa2: do you feel adventurous? do you know a little perl? |
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| 16:50.55 | ketsa2 | absolutely not |
| 16:52.20 | Iridos | to the adventurous bit or the perl bit :) |
| 16:52.25 | ketsa2 | I guess i cant just replace wheezy with squeeze in sources.list ? |
| 16:52.29 | ketsa2 | the perl bit. |
| 16:52.39 | themill | ketsa2: hmm... as yet, I don't know of anyone who's been able to reliably reproduce this problem so if we can work out what's going on, it would be quite handy. Do you have netcat installed? (/usr/bin/nc) |
| 16:52.55 | themill | err... /bin/nc |
| 16:53.37 | robokop | /bin/nc, the real mens irc client :) |
| 16:54.24 | ketsa2 | yep |
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| 16:55.38 | chealer | hi freenoders :-) |
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| 16:57.11 | CyberDomovoy | hi, i'm having trouble running a game with wine, wine debug tells me i don't have direct rendering, but glxinfo says i do. I have a radeon x300, using the radeon modules (not fglrx), from my search on google, it looks like it is a problem with the dri libs in /usr/lib32/dri. I tried to reinstall ia32-libs (as it looks like these comes from it), but the last modification date on those didn't change, any idea? |
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| 16:57.53 | chealer | how are Apache httpd 2.2.19 response cache headers determined (by default)? I'm trying to understand the Expires headers values set on my JavaScript files. mod_expires is disabled. I don't see any configuration on that. |
| 16:58.30 | themill | chealer: #httpd would be a better place to ask. |
| 16:59.27 | themill | ketsa2: can you run "dpkg --get-selections | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" and "locale | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" and give us the two paste IDs? |
| 17:00.24 | chealer | themill: yes, but they didn't answer |
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| 17:01.15 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, actually, the timestamp not changing is normal, it comes from the package ^^ still, that game won't work, but i'd better ask in a wine channel |
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| 17:02.07 | ketsa2 | themill: 128513 & 128514 |
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| 17:03.29 | themill | ketsa2: thanks. If you run "LANG=C apt-get -f install" does it still loop with your perl error? |
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| 17:05.48 | idank | how do I clone a cd? it has AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS dirs in it |
| 17:05.52 | sneex | CyberDomovoy: wine errors are internal to what wine (IE Windows emulated) can do -- sometime the hardware doesn't perculate up that far |
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| 17:06.54 | somiaj | idank: you could use dd to do a direct copy and make an image of it on your hd, then use wodim to burn that image. |
| 17:06.55 | ketsa2 | themill: no loop, I get an error about perl. "Could not perform immediate configuration on already unpacked 'perl'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-configure for details" |
| 17:07.18 | somiaj | idank: unsure how this works with copyprotection. |
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| 17:07.35 | idank | somiaj: it's a home made movie, so no copy right issues |
| 17:07.47 | idank | but if it's currently playable in a dvd, will the clone also play? |
| 17:07.51 | ketsa2 | themill: 128515 but i think the error msg got redirected to CLI |
| 17:08.01 | somiaj | idank: well if you have the dvd already, just dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/image.raw |
| 17:08.10 | themill | !dbugs 639290 |
| 17:08.14 | dpkg | #639290:N[apt] upgrade from squeeze to wheezy fails on i386 (pre-depends loop) (help); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:15:02 UTC [639689] |
| 17:08.18 | somiaj | idank: then the file it creates will be an image (exact copy) of the dvd/cd |
| 17:08.27 | themill | so you managed to get hit by both of these at once. nice work! |
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| 17:09.38 | sneex | idank: do you have brasero and/or brasero-cdrkit installed? |
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| 17:09.55 | idank | sneex: I haven't installed those in the past so I guess not |
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| 17:10.00 | ketsa2 | is there a way to fall back to squeeze ? |
| 17:10.06 | somiaj | !downgrade |
| 17:10.06 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:10.26 | somiaj | ketsa2: short answer NO |
| 17:10.41 | frusen | hey, i am running debian stable and my computer sometimes freezes. i can move the mouse but everything else is frozen. except sound. how should i go about finding what's wrong? |
| 17:10.43 | sneex | idank: brasero is what I use because I use a lot of distros and it is pretty stable on them all |
| 17:11.16 | somiaj | frusen: figure out what is really frozen, do you have another computer and ssh open (it could be that xorg/gnome and/or some process is just making it unresponsive but its not really frozen) |
| 17:11.18 | idank | sneex: any advantage to what somiaj suggested? |
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| 17:11.39 | idank | sneex: this is more of a one time thing |
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| 17:12.14 | somiaj | idank: I'm just doing old fasion direct copy bit for bit of the cdrom device. A package for that will probabaly be more 'user friendly', and maybe have features that a direct datacopy cannot do. |
| 17:12.41 | somiaj | frusen: cause my suggestion is to ssh into the machine and then run top, see if a process is going haywire. |
| 17:12.54 | idank | somiaj: sounds good enough for me, as long as it's an exact clone and will also play in a standalone dvd player like the original |
| 17:12.57 | frusen | somiaj, i should try that |
| 17:12.58 | robokop | i'm running an svn server (apache mod_dav) and getting http://pastebin.com/L281BJp5 when trying to commit anything, but commit succeeds and the post-commit hook runs succesfully |
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| 17:13.01 | siyb | hm |
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| 17:13.55 | somiaj | idank: its an exact bit for bit copy of the device -- but as I said i'm unsure if there are any copyprotection things that would cause errors with this. Its what I use (for making backups of my data cd's) never tried it on a dvd though. |
| 17:14.37 | idank | somiaj: ok, I'll just try and see |
| 17:14.48 | ketsa2 | So, how can i re-install this box I have no media here with me but network access is running. is there a way to reinstall on top ? |
| 17:14.49 | idank | somiaj: dd is taking forever though |
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| 17:16.03 | sneex | idank: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/image.raw will be through however |
| 17:16.21 | ketsa2 | Thanks for the help btw, I learned my lesson about testing i guess :p |
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| 17:16.38 | somiaj | ketsa2: you don't really want to install on-top, but do you have another partition you could install to? |
| 17:16.56 | idank | what's the easiest way to burn it once I have the image? |
| 17:16.59 | nsadmin | the buffer is probably 1 sector worth, make it bigger |
| 17:16.59 | somiaj | ketsa2: because bugs don't effect everyone people rarely take our warning, 'testing can break you; |
| 17:17.16 | somiaj | idank: get wodim, wodim dev=/dev/cdom speed=32 image.raw |
| 17:17.58 | dinggs | so i boot the squeeze netinst cd. there's disks sda and sdb. in manual partitioning i say i want sdb1 as swap, sdb2 as / and bootable, nothing else. |
| 17:18.01 | dinggs | it warns me it's going to format sdb2 and prepare sda2 and sdb1 for swap. i don't mind it has picked up the swap on sda. after install of packages it asks me whether to install grub in the mbr. i say yes. now you guess WHICH disk's sector 0 got overwritten. |
| 17:18.23 | idank | somiaj: isn't 32 super slow for a dvd? |
| 17:18.27 | ketsa2 | somiaj: unfortunately everything but swap is in sda1, i have nothing else. |
| 17:18.45 | sneex | >< |
| 17:18.46 | somiaj | idank: 32 is fast, I don't most dvd burners go faster than say 16 |
| 17:19.11 | idank | somiaj: ah ok |
| 17:19.13 | sneex | to me in my old dvd world 16 is WAY fast ;P |
| 17:19.15 | pipeline | remember, dvd "1x" is 12.5 mbps... CD "1x" is 0.6 mbps |
| 17:19.29 | idank | so how much mbps is 32? |
| 17:19.37 | somiaj | idank: I just use 32 because I'm old fashion and dont' trust burns faster than that for a cd |
| 17:19.37 | idank | 32 * 12.5 ? |
| 17:19.40 | pipeline | 32 would be 400 mbps |
| 17:19.56 | pipeline | it would be "332x" if it were using the CD "1x" scale :P |
| 17:19.58 | somiaj | idank: but I think depending on your dvd bruner it will cap out at its max speed. |
| 17:20.08 | pipeline | yeah no DVD burner really burns at 32x |
| 17:20.10 | idank | then shouldn't I use 16 to be safe? :p |
| 17:20.13 | pipeline | it doens't matter |
| 17:20.14 | ketsa2 | I had good experiences with testing in the past, bad luck this time. |
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| 17:20.17 | pipeline | you're just setting the peak speed |
| 17:20.20 | idank | ah ok |
| 17:20.22 | pipeline | which it will use for like three seconds |
| 17:20.37 | pipeline | just use burnfree and you will be fine (driveropts=burnfree) |
| 17:20.56 | pipeline | if you're really afraid, limit it to 2-4x, so that you cannot possibly outpace your hdd.... but that's paranoia |
| 17:21.02 | somiaj | ketsa2: I have ran sid for 10 years, the thing isn't 'it will break and destroy everything', its more 'it can break and does durining upgrades, can you fix any breaks you get' |
| 17:21.04 | pipeline | burnfree should cover all normal scenarios |
| 17:21.27 | somiaj | ketsa2: though breaks and destroy everything do happen, its just been many years since there has been such a grave sid bug it took out many boxes. |
| 17:21.51 | themill | and yet we have two such bugs with squeeze->wheezy right now |
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| 17:23.32 | ketsa2 | well thanks all I have to leave... will work this box later |
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| 17:27.47 | lenswipe | hey guyshttp://pastebin.com/cZEKCNCS |
| 17:27.56 | lenswipe | having assorted issues with "Docky" right now |
| 17:28.01 | lenswipe | anyone able to help? |
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| 17:29.33 | cmyers | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.41 | robokop | i'm running an svn server (apache mod_dav) and getting http://pastebin.com/L281BJp5 when trying to commit anything, but commit succeeds and the post-commit hook runs succesfully |
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| 17:30.27 | lenswipe | sorry guys |
| 17:30.30 | lenswipe | i dced |
| 17:30.30 | lenswipe | so |
| 17:30.32 | lenswipe | anyone? |
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| 17:35.17 | dinggs | i thought it was quite egregious that it installed grub to sda. perhaps the problem is in my head. *shrug* |
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| 17:36.34 | DummyMode | hi |
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| 17:38.03 | somiaj | dinggs: grub is put on the mbr, its usually preferable to put it on the mbr of your primary (boot) drive |
| 17:38.11 | somiaj | dinggs: though you could put it in the mbr of a partition |
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| 17:38.46 | abrotman | thought it was a pointer now? |
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| 17:39.25 | dinggs | "the mbr of a partition", riiiight... |
| 17:39.30 | morna | is it hard to mke pulse controll alsa ?, what packages do I need ? |
| 17:40.06 | pfred1 | is there a way I can remove "apache2.2-bin" without removing the rest of my system? |
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| 17:41.33 | DummyMode | something has changed in recent kernels that now after recompile I've get no video output, only works wih 2.6.32.40, anyone experience something similar? |
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| 17:42.09 | abrotman | use a Debian kernel? |
| 17:42.25 | DummyMode | no, a custom kernel |
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| 17:42.32 | DummyMode | from kernel.org |
| 17:43.04 | themill | pfred1: some real output that describes what you mean would be handy. Use a pastebin. |
| 17:43.04 | DummyMode | is there a repo to download the patched kernel srource for debian? |
| 17:43.07 | abrotman | right, does the problem happen with a debian kernel? |
| 17:43.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any music players that have either built in or plugin ability to play music from my MyBookLive NAS network drive that has a built in Twonky media server? |
| 17:43.31 | abrotman | and what kind of video card is it? |
| 17:43.37 | DummyMode | ati radeon |
| 17:43.44 | pfred1 | themill yes i reread it and all that Debian seems to want to remove with apache is Gnome so it isn't quite my whole system |
| 17:44.14 | DummyMode | I've been hours changing parameters regarding frame buffer, vga, vesa and the like, but, the server boots but no video |
| 17:44.14 | somiaj | DummyMode: are you compling in a radeon framebuffer into your kernels? |
| 17:44.15 | pfred1 | I never knew that gnome depended on apache |
| 17:44.16 | abrotman | DummyMode: what is wrong with the Debian-packaged kernels? |
| 17:44.57 | DummyMode | abrotman, just wan to customize my stuff and also want to test the new 3.0 xen stuff |
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| 17:45.19 | Iridos | morna, yes. IIRC, pretty much every program that produces sound needs to be "pulse-aware" and not directly use your regular audio device. And seems not a lot of programs are prepared for that in Debian (yet) |
| 17:45.29 | abrotman | and im done .. have fun .. probably ask ##kernel ... not a debian problem |
| 17:45.38 | themill | pfred1: aptitude why gnome apache2.2-bin; install gnome-core instead of gnome and use unmarkauto to keep the bits you want. |
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| 17:47.05 | pfred1 | themill thanks I just read it and the rationale still escapes me |
| 17:47.12 | odyi | Where does one find an initrd.gz and linux kernel so he can net boot and install wheezy or sid? Everything I find on the mirrors is for squeeze only. |
| 17:47.26 | themill | pfred1: looking at what gnome-user-share does might help |
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| 17:47.41 | somiaj | odyi: do you have access to the box you want to install wheezy or sid on? (or better yet its harddrive) |
| 17:47.48 | SashaNeko | We have a pretty large network at my house and I occasionally have to ban a few of my roomates from the network for not paying the internet bill. I was thinking of setting up a dedicated DHCP server and I have looked into that but I was wondering if there is any good web clients for a debian dhcp server |
| 17:47.58 | odyi | somiaj: Yes. |
| 17:48.21 | somiaj | odyi: look into debootstrap, you can just download the wheezy or sid base system onto the hd, there is even a nice howto on how to use it |
| 17:48.32 | somiaj | odyi: just bypass the installer |
| 17:48.58 | abrotman | SashaNeko: what about something like wondershaper to shape them to zero? :) |
| 17:49.14 | Iridos | ban them by pulling the cable to their room? |
| 17:49.17 | pfred1 | themill I am less interested in what it does than to remove it so it is not a problem |
| 17:49.26 | Iridos | else should be difficult to ban someone who doesn't want to be banned |
| 17:49.30 | abrotman | SashaNeko: they do exist, something like a hotel system you mean? |
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| 17:49.43 | SashaNeko | its a wireless network sadyl |
| 17:49.46 | SashaNeko | *sadly |
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| 17:50.19 | abrotman | Radius maybe? |
| 17:50.22 | Iridos | hm, although wpa uses multiple users, right? Should finally set one up here :) |
| 17:50.29 | tobias | Is there a way to provide answers to questions apt-get install prompts you with, from the command line? |
| 17:50.33 | SashaNeko | i just basically want to filter mac addresses like you can with a router and be able to view the connected clients |
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| 17:50.48 | tobias | e.g., when I install postfix, it pops up a dialog asking me the site and server name |
| 17:50.50 | themill | pfred1: "apt-cache show gnome-user-share" is all you need to do to see why... |
| 17:50.56 | tobias | I'd rather it just select the default values for me |
| 17:51.07 | robokop | faraday is your friend SashaNeko |
| 17:51.11 | themill | tobias: /msg dpkg preseeding |
| 17:51.15 | robokop | requires some effort though |
| 17:51.31 | pfred1 | themill thanks it is optional which means i can remove it |
| 17:51.43 | SashaNeko | robokop, as in Michael? |
| 17:51.52 | tobias | themill: thanks, i'll check it out! |
| 17:51.54 | robokop | yes, he and his cage |
| 17:51.57 | jcrowgey | i'm having some difficulty getting sound configured on a new acer laptop |
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| 17:52.17 | SashaNeko | could i block certain mac addresses via iptables? |
| 17:52.28 | pipeline | I believe so |
| 17:52.30 | pipeline | but that's crazy |
| 17:52.35 | themill | pfred1: you see the lines with "Depends" in them... you can't just remove that package without there being consequences. Have fun. |
| 17:52.39 | pipeline | what are you tryin gto accomplish ? |
| 17:52.52 | jcrowgey | apt-get install alsa shows that 'alsa-base' is already at the newset version, but apt-cache policy alsa* shows alsa0 "has no candidate, not sure what to do |
| 17:53.06 | Iridos | you know that you can change to an arbitrary mac address, though, right? |
| 17:53.13 | somiaj | jcrowgey: what does cat /proc/asound/cards show you? (do you see any sound cards there)? |
| 17:53.17 | pfred1 | themill yes the consequence will be I will have to install gnome on my own it is beginning to look like nothing I haven't done before fortunately |
| 17:53.41 | SashaNeko | i would like to point out that pretty much nobody in this house but me understands this kind of thing |
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| 17:53.48 | SashaNeko | so blocking their mac addresses would be enough |
| 17:54.02 | themill | pfred1: not at all. I told you how to accomplish this.... but do amuse yourself in whatever way you see fit. |
| 17:54.05 | jcrowgey | somiaj, i see two cards there "0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic ... and 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel -HDA ATI SB ... |
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| 17:54.19 | pfred1 | themill you've told me what? |
| 17:54.32 | SashaNeko | could i just whitelist some mac addresses via iptables? |
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| 17:54.47 | SashaNeko | this is all something i can do via my dd-wrt router |
| 17:54.47 | somiaj | jcrowgey: so alsa sees your cards and the modules have been installed. Check your mixer. 'alsamixer' -- make sure you have the PCM and Master volume turned up and unmuted |
| 17:54.56 | abrotman | SashaNeko: why not block the MAC on the wifi AP? |
| 17:55.08 | SashaNeko | the one thing i can't do via it that i would like to do would be to be able to "kick" users without rebooting the network |
| 17:55.35 | SashaNeko | and this is where iptables could come into play, they aren't really removed from the network but they dont have internet access |
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| 17:56.00 | sneex | >< |
| 17:56.04 | jcrowgey | somaij: thanks! alsa mixer shows that things are unmuted, but i only see one level, no pcm level, only a "master" |
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| 17:56.41 | jcrowgey | on the "generic" one, I don't see any levels, just something that says "S/PDIF" and it's got a 00 in a box |
| 17:56.48 | somiaj | SashaNeko: many wireless APs require further authentication (university systems do this), so until they auth though some other service all request are redirected to an internal server. Make them have a username/password, and then just set accounts to 'no paid' and you can even give them a webpage to say pay your fucken bill. (: |
| 17:57.03 | abrotman | !radius |
| 17:57.03 | dpkg | [radius] Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service. http://web.archive.org/web/20010610045237/http://www.livingston.com/tech/technotes/500/index.html#RADIUS See also <freeradius>. |
| 17:57.15 | somiaj | jcrowgey: turn up the master, '00' means its unmutend, 'MM' there is muted. |
| 17:57.21 | SashaNeko | somiaj, that could work |
| 17:57.23 | SashaNeko | any idea on how to do it |
| 17:57.28 | ben_ | Hey all, I'm considering putting a computer together to run Debian GNU / Linux with XFCE. Are there any hardware incompatibilities y'all know of? |
| 17:57.55 | SashaNeko | i still kind of prefer the idea of just ssh'ing in and adding their mac address to a filtered list |
| 17:57.58 | somiaj | jcrowgey: seems like everything is fine, what are you doing to play sound that isn't -- though I'm surprised there is no PCM list |
| 17:57.59 | SashaNeko | via ip tables |
| 17:58.01 | tobias | themill: this isn't for a new install - just installing a single package via apt-get.. not sure if preseeding accomplishes the same thing? |
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| 17:58.16 | SashaNeko | or just have iptables redirect them to such a page |
| 17:58.26 | DexterF | what should one do to verify repositories and keys are ok after the CA hack? |
| 17:58.30 | ben_ | Sorry, I hope I asked the rigth way. I haven't been on this before, my freind recommended asking here. |
| 17:58.48 | somiaj | SashaNeko: You will need an advanced router, that is set up to require auth before it routes anything outside of the internal network -- and no idea who to set it up, just know its what some wireless networks can do. |
| 17:59.05 | sneex | SashaNeko: How about http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index |
| 17:59.06 | somiaj | SashaNeko: so anyone can connect tot he network, its getting routed away from teh master server that requires a user/password. |
| 17:59.07 | SashaNeko | somiaj, thats why i am interested in setting up a dedicated debian server |
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| 17:59.13 | SashaNeko | also i have a dd-wrt router |
| 17:59.17 | jcrowgey | soniaj, I've tried to play an mp3 in totem, i "see" it playing, but don't hear anything. i've tried to play some youtube videos, i see the flash stuff playing, but don't hear. |
| 17:59.20 | abrotman | gives up trying to talk above somiaj |
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| 17:59.58 | somiaj | SashaNeko: and check abrotman factoid -- (: |
| 18:00.04 | ben_ | I'm sorry, did I do something wrong? I'm just looking to put together a general use computer, nothing fancy |
| 18:00.20 | ben_ | I wanted to use Debian GNU / Linux because I love what it stands for |
| 18:00.46 | unkmar | ben_: sounds like trolling. There are always icompatibilities even when using Mickey Soft. |
| 18:01.19 | SashaNeko | oh cool |
| 18:01.34 | somiaj | jcrowgey: check for hardware muting button on the laptop, play with seting all the mixer volumes up and down, see if it works if you plug headphones in. Also that hda-intel sound card has many 'model=' options you may nee to set, look up your laptop on google see if anyone has a solution. |
| 18:01.42 | unkmar | ben_: you are better off looking for what your want and checking to see if there have been reported issues. Or simply going for stuff that has been reported fully working. |
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| 18:01.56 | sneex | abrotman: why doesn't the shell give history in a remote ssh command session? I eneed up writing a hack: test -f ~/.bash_history && cat ~/.bash_hostory -- is there a reason 'history' isn't available? |
| 18:02.21 | sneex | s/eneed/ended/ |
| 18:02.23 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:03.06 | Bushmills | ben_: don't buy to avoid incompatibilities. purchase according compatibilty |
| 18:03.12 | ben_ | I"m not a troll! :( My friend Eric just told me freenode is a good place to get advice on computer help for this. |
| 18:03.32 | ben_ | Bushmills: what do you mean? |
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| 18:03.41 | SashaNeko | so with my dd-wrt router i set up sputnick and then point it at the debian server for authentication? |
| 18:03.45 | ben_ | unkmar: Yeah, it's true. :p |
| 18:03.49 | Bushmills | before you pull out cash for a component, google it. |
| 18:03.52 | jcrowgey | somiaj: thanks! I've checked with headphones. I've set the model= to 'model=acer-aspire' per http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt, i'm continuing to google :) |
| 18:03.53 | unkmar | ben_: I didn't say you were a troll. I stated that troll type talk. |
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| 18:04.10 | unkmar | ben_: which is why nobody answered to begin with. |
| 18:04.12 | ben_ | Unkmar: Oh I see! Sorry. |
| 18:04.26 | ben_ | Unkmar: Oh well didn't mean to come off like that. |
| 18:04.41 | ben_ | Unkmar: is there a good site that lists incompatibilities? |
| 18:04.45 | somiaj | jcrowgey: try model=auto (someone eariler discovered that worked better than acer-aspire -- and his issues was his PCM volume was turned down so he couldn't hear things -- but the soundcard was working. |
| 18:05.14 | ben_ | Bushmills: argh. So search online for imcompatibilities with each component? |
| 18:05.24 | Bushmills | exactly. |
| 18:05.27 | Bushmills | no |
| 18:05.46 | somiaj | ben_: better method. Find a piece of hardware you want, ask google about getting it to work in linux/debian. |
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| 18:05.55 | jcrowgey | somiaj, i'll try that now, thanks, i't strange that i don't see a pcm volume in alsamixer though, right? also, i'm not sure why i have two soundcards i'm dealing with, is this a mistake or do i actually have two hardware cards. |
| 18:06.03 | somiaj | ben_: just after you decide what is going into your computer, do some research on the hardware first. |
| 18:06.05 | Bushmills | you search online for the quality of driver support, for each component you consider to buy |
| 18:06.07 | unkmar | ben_: you can search for compatibilty for each component. Not incompatibilty. There are sites that state entire sets of combos that have been proven to work. |
| 18:06.23 | ben_ | OK. |
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| 18:06.43 | somiaj | jcrowgey: unless you output cat /proc/asound/cards and lscpi in paste.debian.net -- but I have two sound cards on my laptop, the main one and the hdmi soundcard for the hdmi port. |
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| 18:06.55 | ben_ | If I'm working with a local computer store, do you think that's something they'd know? Unfortuanatly, moving from a mac, I feel like I have NO IDEA how to even start. :p |
| 18:07.14 | sneex | ben_: a good rule I follow is: If there is a penguin on the box is likely Debian compatible if not already supported |
| 18:07.14 | ben_ | I'ts six years old and doesn't work very well anymore |
| 18:07.18 | somiaj | ben_: most likely not, just get a hardware list and google. |
| 18:07.23 | Bushmills | there's little hardware which isn't supported at all. but of the hardware which is supported, quality of support differs. |
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| 18:07.51 | ben_ | Bushmills: I see. Does it help to try to go for "Standard" "popular" equipment? |
| 18:08.10 | unkmar | ben_: depends on the techs experience. But most only know of linux in passing, they mostly make their money in the MS world. |
| 18:08.12 | Bushmills | depends what you call "standard" |
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| 18:08.35 | ben_ | sneex: I see, i don't know if I'll be seeign all the boxes. honestly I'l be getting a local computer store to put it together, but i want to make sure ahead fo time I have taken care of what I can |
| 18:08.43 | Bushmills | avoid the very latest hardware |
| 18:08.54 | ben_ | Bushmills: OK. so something new but not TOO new. |
| 18:09.04 | Bushmills | sounds about right |
| 18:09.11 | jelly-home | ben_: it's a bit of a pain. Some rules of thumb: - googling for linux and the component's PCI-id or USB-id helps - don't use hardware less than 12 months in the market - be very careful about new features (USB3.0? SATA3?) - be doubly careful with wifi, go with a device that has a chip is 100% supported on linux rather than a faster or a cheaper one |
| 18:09.23 | somiaj | ben_: have them give you a hardware list and say you want to research linux support first. |
| 18:09.25 | unkmar | ben_: Most things that are a 6 months to a year old are supported, but that is only a guide. there are still much hardware locked behind proprietary drivers that require fiddling just to get it to work even after the install. |
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| 18:10.14 | jelly-home | ben_: oh, and use an nvidia graphic card. ;-) |
| 18:10.32 | somiaj | jelly-home: funny others would say avoid those. (: |
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| 18:10.53 | ben_ | All: thanks so much! |
| 18:10.59 | jelly-home | somiaj: depends on their place on the idealism vs pragmatism scale |
| 18:11.19 | unkmar | I have better experience with nvidia cards but nvidia can be just as annoying as ATI. |
| 18:11.32 | jcrowgey | somaij, i changed model to, =auto and did 'sudo alsa force-reload', nothing seems to have changed. it looks like i do have two soundcards in that 'lspci |grep -i audio' outputstwo devices |
| 18:11.42 | ben_ | All: so maybe talk to the computer store first and get an idea of what's out there (I honestly know SO LITTLE about what hardware is even out there) and then search to see if it's compatible. Does that sound like a good plan? |
| 18:11.51 | somiaj | I'd suggest intel graphics if you have no desire for 3d. |
| 18:12.00 | jelly-home | unkmar: video-intel can be all that, and less table on top |
| 18:12.05 | jelly-home | stable* |
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| 18:13.15 | jcrowgey | somaiaj, output of 'apt-cache policy alsa*' seemed to have several curiosities, but i'm not too sure how to read it, do you think it's worth taking a look at it? |
| 18:13.30 | somiaj | jcrowgey: you can paste it in paste.debian.net |
| 18:13.49 | somiaj | jcrowgey: I don't know what the issue could be, seems your heading in the right direction. |
| 18:15.41 | abrotman | sneex: should be, haven't seen that .. perhaps a different shell? |
| 18:15.46 | jcrowgey | http://paste.debian.net/128523/ |
| 18:16.33 | ben_ | Thanks all! TTYS! |
| 18:17.31 | jcrowgey | i see several packages in there which say "installed none, candidate: none", surprising, but i'm not too sure how to read the output |
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| 18:18.07 | sneex | abrotman: yeah; I didn't try any of them except bash (the person who brought it ti my attention was using dash ... and so the mystery began :P |
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| 18:20.15 | sneex | abrotman: I told the other I feel (likely wrongly) that using a "dummy term" doesn't fully involve things oike bash aliases nor ~/.profile beyond what ssh considered "required" so at the point of testing history isn't available but I have seen this in subshells as well |
| 18:20.38 | jcrowgey | somaij, i pasted my alsa policy to http://paste.debian.net/128523/ |
| 18:21.02 | sneex | ssh does execute the command remotely but returns nothing. |
| 18:21.16 | sneex | just weird I think |
| 18:21.31 | jelly-home | sneex: it returns an exit code! |
| 18:25.43 | sneex | I get this in a subshell root@debian:~# sh x x: 1: x: history: not found |
| 18:26.22 | sneex | i get such indications even with full Verbose mode in ssh |
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| 18:27.53 | jcrowgey | could it be a problem that when i bring up alsamixer, the first sound card is the hdmi out one |
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| 18:28.20 | somiaj | jcrowgey: have you tried alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 18:28.46 | sneex | jelly-home: This does work but as you will notice it does not update the remote history either: ssh 192.168.1.70 test -s ~/.bash_history && cat ~/.bash_history |
| 18:28.46 | somiaj | jcrowgey: yes it could, and you will have to make a $HOME/.asoundrc to say the second card is default, or use players you can set which soundcard you use. |
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| 18:29.30 | jcrowgey | somaij, I didn't know that -c option, but in alsamixer i was switching to the second card using F6, i'll check .asoundrc now |
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| 18:29.51 | somiaj | jcrowgey: I'd grab a player you can configure what card is used to 'test' first |
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| 18:30.14 | jcrowgey | somiaj, do you have a suggestion wrt such a player? |
| 18:30.25 | somiaj | jcrowgey: most..I use mplayer myself. |
| 18:30.43 | somiaj | jcrowgey: but look though the options in totem (that was the player I thought you were using) |
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| 18:33.13 | jcrowgey | i note that "cat /proc/asound/card1/codec#0" outputs "Conexand ID 506c, but i don't find that model exactly in www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt |
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| 18:35.10 | phorce1_home | trying to figure out what's going wrong when trying to mount a cdrom that should allow executing programs on it by any user. My fstab and the output of ls -l after mounting are at http://paste.debian.net/128529 Note that the CDROM gets mounted as 502:dial |
| 18:35.20 | phorce1_home | out regardles of who mounts it |
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| 18:36.54 | sneex | phorce1_home: what does the /etc/fstab say about media like that ? |
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| 18:37.53 | phorce1_home | sneex: the /etc/fstab is at the top of that paste. (users,exec,dev,suid,noauto) |
| 18:37.57 | somiaj | phorce1_home: by default the nonexec bit is put on cdroms -- add the exec option to /etc/fstab |
| 18:37.58 | jelly-home | sneex: that command will show the local file, not remote |
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| 18:38.43 | phorce1_home | somiaj: see above. exec is set |
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| 18:38.55 | sneex | jelly-home: That command? ssh 192.168.1.70 test -s ~/.bash_history && cat ~/.bash_history |
| 18:39.02 | jelly-home | sneex: ssh 192.168.1.70 test -s ~/.bash_history && cat ~/.bash_history |
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| 18:39.42 | sneex | jelly-home: Im on SL61 here and the command is at a Debian Laptop so I am pretty sure it is wotking |
| 18:39.56 | jelly-home | hopes sneex isn't red-green color blind |
| 18:39.57 | sneex | anyways GTG Peace' |
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| 18:40.12 | sneex | Im a Linux color blicnd person ;) |
| 18:40.15 | sneex | cya' |
| 18:40.18 | somiaj | phorce1_home: then I don't see why it isn't allowing you to exec. |
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| 18:40.37 | somiaj | phorce1_home: are you sure you want 'users' in stead of 'user' they are slighly different |
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| 18:40.47 | phorce1_home | neither can I ... that's why I'm here |
| 18:40.52 | ajikeshi__ | short kinda general question: is there software to automatically create a documentation from php code? |
| 18:40.56 | Iridos | sl61? |
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| 18:41.38 | phorce1_home | somiaj: yes -- doesn't really matter as I am tyhe only user on this box other than root but I sometimes creatte test users and want to be able to steal the CD |
| 18:41.51 | Iridos | jelly-home, guess the command could work if it's not run from any bash-like shell |
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| 18:42.15 | jelly-home | Iridos: like... csh? |
| 18:42.22 | somiaj | phorce1_home: when you type mount does it say if you have the noexec bit on it or not? |
| 18:42.28 | somiaj | phorce1_home: i.e. just list the mounts |
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| 18:42.42 | peterrooney | jelly-home: pain behind left eye... |
| 18:42.52 | jelly-home | peterrooney: csh csh csh |
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| 18:43.35 | phorce1_home | somiaj: /dev/sr0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro) <---- no clue why it isn't using the fstab info |
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| 18:44.25 | somiaj | phorce1_home: it is, it just lists the 'noexec' flag if its there, 'exec' isn't a flag, it just says don't put the noexec flag on it |
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| 18:44.33 | peterrooney | wonders how this hole got bored through to the back of his skull |
| 18:44.38 | phorce1_home | I'll bet it has something to do with ugly interaction with the automount stuff in Gnome |
| 18:44.43 | somiaj | samn with suid, 'nosuid' is the flag, if its not there you're fine. |
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| 18:46.12 | phorce1_home | somiaj: but user:group shows up as "502:dialout", where the heck is that coming from? |
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| 18:46.50 | ompaul | phorce1_home: that is a UID being the same for two users not great |
| 18:47.04 | The_MenaCe | hello, someone can help me install a command called "gettext" ? i tried apt-get gettext and it didnt work ;/ |
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| 18:47.24 | somiaj | phorce1_home: set the uid=,gid= in your fstab |
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| 18:47.56 | peterrooney | The_MenaCe: install and set up apt-file; then apt-file search gettext |
| 18:48.03 | somiaj | phorce1_home: I think you want 'user' instead of 'users' -- |
| 18:48.11 | nkuttler | The_MenaCe: or apt-cache search gettext |
| 18:48.20 | The_MenaCe | thanks! |
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| 18:48.40 | Iridos | phorce1_home, err... "exec" just means you're allowed to execute programs, it's not for setting the "x" flag on files, if that was what your orignial question was about |
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| 18:49.12 | phorce1_home | ompaul: no users with same UID in my (very short, easy to read) /etc/passwd |
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| 18:49.41 | The_MenaCe | nkuttler: what would that command do ? |
| 18:49.46 | The_MenaCe | i am pretty new to this ;/ |
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| 18:50.15 | Iridos | phorce1_home, I don't see why you think that anything is not as you configured it, actually |
| 18:50.21 | ompaul | phorce1_home: sorry it is a deleted user |
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| 18:50.53 | ompaul | phorce1_home: if you have them the same then one of them (usually the latter) gets files in its chowned to the first one |
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| 18:51.17 | ompaul | phorce1_home: I should not say anything this evening - exhausted |
| 18:51.44 | somiaj | phorce1_home: set the uid,gid,and umask now |
| 18:52.33 | phorce1_home | Iridos: trying to install Diablo2 in Wine but I'm unable to exec the installer from the cdrom |
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| 18:52.41 | peterrooney | The_MenaCe: it's OK to be new, here's some hopefully helpful advice: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:53.01 | somiaj | phorce1_home: what? wine doesn't care about exec bits |
| 18:53.08 | phorce1_home | somiaj: /dev/sr0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,user=gvl2) but the output of ls -l still looks like my original paste |
| 18:53.10 | somiaj | phorce1_home: wine /path/to/file is all you need. |
| 18:53.23 | The_MenaCe | oh peterrooney: thanks man, didnt know that |
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| 18:54.04 | sviz_ | soooâ¦. if I have a debian 5 cd in my box that I can't physically get to. Can I boot to recovery mode⦠use this CLI to wipe the drive, and then setup an insaller partition? |
| 18:54.10 | sviz_ | that sounds reasonable to me |
| 18:54.46 | peterrooney | The_MenaCe: dpkg is an extremely useful bot - help listkeys is a nice way to start exploring. |
| 18:54.47 | phorce1_home | somiaj: it cares whether it can read the file. It's failing with a "Module not found" error indicating it cannot execute the file or cannot read it. |
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| 18:55.13 | somiaj | phorce1_home: could it be the drive? Why not just copy the whole cdrom to the hd first? |
| 18:55.29 | somiaj | phorce1_home: how about you give us the output of wine /path/to/game |
| 18:55.30 | The_MenaCe | peterrooney: i already flood its prv trying to know it! thanks :) |
| 18:55.42 | The_MenaCe | trying to get to know it* |
| 18:56.00 | phorce1_home | somiaj: wine: could not load L"D:\\installer.exe": Module not found |
| 18:56.01 | somiaj | sviz_: you just won't have the base system to finish the installer with only cd5 |
| 18:56.23 | somiaj | phorce1_home: sounds like a wine issue, not anything to do with how your cdrom is mounted. |
| 18:56.30 | sviz_ | yea and unlike freebsd i apparently can't use the CD to point it to network for 6 |
| 18:56.41 | sviz_ | so thats why I'm thinking i need to build a new install partition |
| 18:56.59 | sviz_ | then restore a net install CD to it |
| 18:57.08 | sviz_ | and tell grub or something to boot there |
| 18:57.23 | sviz_ | never done this so I'm just guessing here |
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| 18:58.11 | somiaj | phorce1_home: are you runngin wine /media/cdrom/setup.exe (or running installer.exe directally) |
| 18:58.20 | phorce1_home | somiaj: I think it's a CD mount problem because the user/group is screwed up and the exec bit is not showing when it should be. So, even if it *is* a wine-only problem there is still a problem with the cdrom that needs solving |
| 18:58.42 | somiaj | phorce1_home: as I said, wine doesn't care about the +x bit |
| 18:58.52 | phorce1_home | somiaj: gvl2@Willow:~$ wine /media/cdrom0/installer.exe |
| 18:58.54 | somiaj | phorce1_home: wine is what you are executing -- it is just loading the file after that. |
| 18:59.07 | somiaj | phorce1_home: run setup.exe (blizzard games like to be run though the luancher) |
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| 18:59.21 | ivette2 | hello |
| 18:59.42 | ivette2 | a friend of mine recommend me this chat |
| 18:59.47 | ivette2 | can someone helps please |
| 18:59.48 | ivette2 | thankyou |
| 18:59.48 | phorce1_home | somiaj: there is no setup.exe |
| 19:00.03 | ivette2 | i just bought th enew macbook air and install linux |
| 19:00.07 | ivette2 | i had problem |
| 19:00.39 | sviz_ | what problem? |
| 19:00.44 | phorce1_home | somiaj: autorun.inf calls installer.exe |
| 19:00.49 | somiaj | phorce1_home: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=49 |
| 19:01.04 | sviz_ | ivette2: also are you using bootcamp to multiboot? |
| 19:01.05 | sviz_ | ? |
| 19:01.13 | somiaj | phorce1_home: again this is a #wine issue now, but make sure you have followed that install guide, used winecfg to set the right options |
| 19:01.21 | ivette2 | noooo |
| 19:01.33 | ivette2 | i buy a program called fusion |
| 19:01.39 | sviz_ | ya |
| 19:01.41 | sviz_ | 7? |
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| 19:01.49 | ivette2 | yes also windows 7 |
| 19:01.53 | ivette2 | already install |
| 19:01.56 | ivette2 | that too |
| 19:02.07 | rb34 | hi |
| 19:02.16 | somiaj | phorce1_home: is this the diablo II cd or the LOD (expansion CD) |
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| 19:02.48 | phorce1_home | somiaj: the original 3cd set. (I also have LOD but haven't got there yet) |
| 19:02.55 | somiaj | phorce1_home: also diablo now has the blizard downloader you can use to isntall it without the CD -- could try that. |
| 19:03.24 | rb34 | diablo II install in debian squeeze? |
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| 19:04.53 | phorce1_home | rb34: yes. Kicking my butt and caused me to see a problem I have elsewhere. I'm off to do more reading |
| 19:07.51 | jcrowgey | somiaj, do you know the mplayer options for choosing which soundcard, also, do you know the syntax for .asoundrc to set a particular card to default? |
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| 19:12.40 | cahoot | jcrowgey, re mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1 (or such) |
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| 19:14.27 | somiaj | jcrowgey: .asoundrc -- http://paste.debian.net/128541/ |
| 19:14.56 | jcrowgey | wow, it's working now (thanks cahoot) |
| 19:15.31 | jcrowgey | somiaj: there's currently no .asoundrc because I haven't created it yet. it seems my issue is that the hdmi out sounddcard gets loaded as default instead of the second card. |
| 19:15.49 | somiaj | jcrowgey: note each time you boot up it could load those in a different order. You could looke up 'alsa blacklist' or 'alsa load order' in google. |
| 19:16.10 | jcrowgey | somiaj, i'll take a look at that |
| 19:16.43 | jcrowgey | in fact, i do have position_fix=1 on the options in modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, |
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| 19:17.30 | jcrowgey | the magic moment was firing up mplayer with -ao alsa:device=hw=1 |
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| 19:18.55 | pipeline | jcrowgey: mplayer uses libao, so it may or may not heed your asoundrc |
| 19:19.05 | pipeline | jcrowgey: you will want a ~/.libao or ~/.aoconf or whatever the fuck that file is called |
| 19:20.27 | pipeline | jcrowgey: unfortunately the arguments to the alsa plugin for libao's config are undocumented, you have to read the source code ugh |
| 19:20.37 | pipeline | jcrowgey: I would send you an example but I appear to have lost my backup of the work laptop where I used that :) |
| 19:20.46 | somiaj | mplayer honors .asoundrc here just fine with ao=alsa |
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| 19:21.10 | jcrowgey | pipeline, thanks. ideally, i'd like to set things up so that any program (firefox, etc) uses the second card, but i'm rejoicing because that -ao option to mplayer is the first time i've heard a sound |
| 19:21.26 | somiaj | jcrowgey: use that .asoundrc file I sent you for that. |
| 19:21.54 | jcrowgey | oh, i'm an irc n00b, somiaj, how to i find the file you sent me? |
| 19:22.13 | somiaj | jcrowgey: .asoundrc -- http://paste.debian.net/128541/ |
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| 19:22.45 | pipeline | jcrowgey: asoundrc will cover 90% of applications |
| 19:22.54 | pipeline | jcrowgey: you will need another config file for libao-using apps, notably mplayer |
| 19:23.04 | pipeline | jcrowgey: and then you will need to use the gstreamer-properties app to set the defaults for gstreamer applications |
| 19:23.11 | jcrowgey | thanks! |
| 19:23.15 | pipeline | jcrowgey: obviously no one agrees about how to handle audio defaults on linux :( |
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| 19:23.22 | jcrowgey | damn, thanks pipeline |
| 19:23.24 | somiaj | pipeline: is that just the debian mplayer, because as I say mplayer is my main media player and it honors my asoundrc file just fine. |
| 19:23.51 | pipeline | somiaj: mplayer is a libao application, so it may or may not honor whatever |
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| 19:24.03 | pipeline | somiaj: if it detects that alsa is the right thing to use, then yeah, it will load asoundrc and proceed |
| 19:24.11 | pipeline | somiaj: but it might just as easily decide to try to use oss, or pulseaudio, or jack... |
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| 19:30.41 | Daskreech | Hello |
| 19:30.52 | jcrowgey | somiaj, when i tried to use the .asoundrc that you posted, i get "unexpected char" arrors from alsa-lib, perhaps this is related to the fact that i don't have any pcm settings iin alsamixer? |
| 19:30.58 | Daskreech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.24 | somiaj | jcrowgey: did you paste the line numbers into the file? |
| 19:31.27 | jelly-home | Daskreech: what happens when you run apt-file update as root? |
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| 19:31.40 | Daskreech | all servers timeout |
| 19:31.52 | jcrowgey | no, since it was only about 7 lines, i typed it |
| 19:32.02 | somiaj | jcrowgey: check for typos. |
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| 19:32.19 | somiaj | jcrowgey: paste (don't retype) teh whole output of cat ~/.asoundrc |
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| 19:32.31 | somiaj | jcrowgey: in paste.debian.net |
| 19:32.41 | jcrowgey | it's saying "$HOME/.asoundrc may be old or corrupted: consider to remove of fix it |
| 19:32.47 | phorce1_home | somiaj: it is *not* a wine problem. When I forced the uid/gid to my user in fstab the installer starts properly (I had looked in winecfg and the default settings were correct). It's the fact that my cdrom is somehow grabbing a bad uid/gid when mounting. I'll look at that later not that I got the installer running. |
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| 19:33.29 | jcrowgey | somiaj, no typos. |
| 19:33.48 | somiaj | jcrowgey: again please give me the output of what I asked for. |
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| 19:34.13 | alabd1 | !release |
| 19:34.13 | dpkg | Squeeze was released on 2011-02-06. Squeeze is Debian 6.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <lenny->squeeze> to upgrade from Lenny. See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. For updates from the Debian Release Team, see http://release.debian.org/ |
| 19:34.52 | alabd1 | Good day all , is stable version secure than testing ? |
| 19:35.16 | jcrowgey | somiaj, strange, i suppose there was a typo, i downloaded your file and mved it to ~/.asoundrc |
| 19:35.27 | jcrowgey | so now mplayer works with the -ao alsa option |
| 19:35.30 | somiaj | alabd1: consider one gets security updates from the security team and one has to wait for security updates to filter down though the debian package process. Yes |
| 19:35.36 | tabakhase | is there a "poke a hole" like a fifo? say a file holding last 20 lines watchable by tail -f? |
| 19:36.00 | jcrowgey | any tips for getting sound working generally? say in firefox, for example? pipeline, were you suggesting that i need to set gstreamer properties somewhere? |
| 19:36.29 | karlpinc | Humm. It seems that if you've no disk activity but the cpu is waiting then you're running out of space on the /tmp fs. |
| 19:36.32 | Daskreech | jelly-home:Can't get http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/lenny/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 19:36.33 | somiaj | jcrowgey: as long as the device is using alsa it should honor that rc file, try your other devices now. I just suggested mplayer since it has a command line option I knew of to set the soundcard |
| 19:36.33 | Daskreech | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 19:36.51 | karlpinc | !tell jcrowgey about alsa checklist |
| 19:36.53 | alabd1 | somiaj: so for server stable is better |
| 19:37.07 | jcrowgey | okay, so i'm going to restart firefox and run the flashplugin and see what happens. |
| 19:37.08 | cafaro | How to install a package from testing? I think dpkg bot had some info on that, but couldn't find the command... |
| 19:37.09 | somiaj | alabd1: most here would call you insane if you wanted to run anything but stable on a server. |
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| 19:37.33 | sviz_ | anyone have experience with using debian-installer? |
| 19:37.51 | somiaj | cafaro: you DO NOT want to install a testing package onto a stable install -- you will then pull in testing core libaries (like libc6), no longer be stable or testing and could (and will) have unexpected results. |
| 19:37.56 | karlpinc | cafaro: You don't want to do that unless you're running testing. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for alternatives. |
| 19:38.09 | karlpinc | !tell sviz_ about anyone |
| 19:38.11 | somiaj | cafaro: look for backports or make your own. |
| 19:38.36 | alabd1 | somiaj: but = except ? |
| 19:38.50 | cafaro | somiaj: I'm not very experiences, unfortunately there's no backport package available |
| 19:38.53 | sviz_ | ha |
| 19:38.56 | jelly-home | Daskreech: I'm not surprised the dotdeb repo is broken, but I _am_ slightly surprised security.d.o is missing the Contents file. |
| 19:39.10 | somiaj | alabd1: sure. Run stable for servers if you value security and stability. |
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| 19:39.15 | sviz_ | well i ask because its not working karl. so I was looking for someone with experience |
| 19:39.18 | somiaj | cafaro: /msg dpkg ssbp (make your own) |
| 19:39.18 | sviz_ | hence the question |
| 19:39.19 | jcrowgey | wow, yes, somiaj, iceweasel is playing sounds now too. |
| 19:39.23 | jcrowgey | this is much progress, |
| 19:39.23 | cafaro | somiaj: ty |
| 19:39.25 | jelly-home | Daskreech: still you should be able to get Contents for the main mirror |
| 19:39.28 | Daskreech | jelly-home: I was kinda surprised as well. is it a temp issue or should i report that? |
| 19:39.35 | jcrowgey | i must sign off now, thanks so much for all the help! |
| 19:39.37 | jcrowgey | goodbye |
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| 19:40.02 | jelly-home | Daskreech: pastebin your sources.list just to verify its sanity |
| 19:40.42 | karlpinc | sviz_: In that case, the answer is "yes". |
| 19:40.43 | Daskreech | jelly-home: that's /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:41.13 | alabd1 | somiaj: but on stable can we have latest PHp and mysql versions ? |
| 19:41.19 | johnnynobody | i set up a printer and printed a test page but firefox doesn't show a printer when i select File->Print |
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| 19:41.34 | karlpinc | !tell alabd1 about stable |
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| 19:41.49 | somiaj | alabd1: from backports, but then you will NOT get security updates for them. |
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| 19:42.14 | somiaj | alabd1: but I would make sure you actually need the newest for the site your serving. |
| 19:42.32 | jelly-home | Daskreech: yes. Also, it's possible those parts of repos are just updating and will ready later |
| 19:42.39 | johnnynobody | ? |
| 19:42.39 | jelly-home | bcome* |
| 19:42.43 | karlpinc | alabd1: To be more precise, you will not get security updates from the security team but instead will get security updates from the backports team -- which is not necessairly the same level of support. |
| 19:43.17 | alabd1 | somiaj: so you prefer debian stable for your server and PHP and mysql from backports ? |
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| 19:43.35 | alabd1 | karlpinc: what do you prefer |
| 19:43.41 | sviz_ | karlpinc: no idea why this is missing: E: Couldn't find package acpi-modules-2.6.26-2-486-di |
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| 19:44.04 | somiaj | alabd1: My few clients (well one I don't run many servers) don't need a newer version of php or mysql. So no I let the debian security team give me updates |
| 19:44.04 | Daskreech | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/6fCuP9HC |
| 19:44.05 | karlpinc | alabd1: I tend to run stable and install stuff from backports if I really need to have a particular feature. |
| 19:44.08 | sviz_ | when running the fake root make rebuild_netboot |
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| 19:44.47 | karlpinc | sviz_: You might try another mirror. They occasionally get out of sync. Otherwise maybe somebody else who knows more about that can help. |
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| 19:45.08 | jelly-home | Daskreech: nothing unusual, seems fine |
| 19:45.13 | sviz_ | thats ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:45.22 | sviz_ | ill try hit maybe since its close and fast |
| 19:45.30 | karlpinc | alabd1: Life is simpler if you've got patience. Eventually they'll be a new stable and newer software. |
| 19:45.33 | sviz_ | s/hit/mit |
| 19:45.43 | Daskreech | jelly-home: So hit the serer and download it manually? |
| 19:45.45 | sviz_ | fucking autocorrect everywhere now.. i need to turn that off |
| 19:45.50 | alabd1 | somiaj: karlpinc but with testing verion we have newer kernel version |
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| 19:46.32 | somiaj | alabd1: I think you are missing the point of debian stable. Its not about having the newest version. Its about being stable and secure |
| 19:46.32 | jelly-home | Daskreech: the file is likely really absent |
| 19:46.35 | karlpinc | alabd1: And you need that? If so get the newer kernel from backports. Something like that, while it may not be quite as quick as the security team, tends to get a lot of attention. |
| 19:46.37 | n0sq | i set up a printer and printed a test page but i can't print from firefox (no printers come up in the list) |
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| 19:47.13 | karlpinc | n0sq: Did you make the printer the default printer? (Perhaps you need to restart firefox? I wouldn't think so but....) |
| 19:47.14 | Daskreech | jelly-home: Ah. Well then back up plan I need to figure out which java I have installed. What's a good way to do that? |
| 19:47.24 | jelly-home | Daskreech: if the situation persists for a couple days, file a bug on the virtual "ftp.debian.org" package |
| 19:47.28 | jelly-home | Daskreech: java -version |
| 19:47.36 | alabd1 | somiaj: karlpinc so you believe stable kernel is more secure than testing newer kernel |
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| 19:48.18 | Daskreech | jelly-home: that tells me Sun java vs OpenJDK ? |
| 19:48.26 | karlpinc | alabd1: A newer kernel is sometimes needed to support newer hardware, but yes, stable gets the attention from the security team. Testing less so. (But you don't want testing, you want backports, which is different.) |
| 19:48.27 | n0sq | karlpinc: yes - and the printer shows up in kwrite so it's a firefox issue |
| 19:48.36 | somiaj | alabd1: I belive the debian security team fixes any know exploit and its as stable (with the chance the newer kernels introduce new bugs) |
| 19:48.47 | karlpinc | n0sq: I suppose you could try restarting firefox. |
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| 19:48.49 | n0sq | i already tried restarting firefox |
| 19:48.59 | somiaj | alabd1: so we just stick with one and fix know issues and don't worry about introducing new bugs. |
| 19:49.26 | somiaj | alabd1: but the backport system is for the case you NEED a newer version (most cases its just a want bigger number) |
| 19:49.26 | jelly-home | Daskreech: it tells the version, and you can deduce the rest. you can also dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which java)) |
| 19:49.51 | jelly-home | Daskreech: assuming it's a packaged binary |
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| 19:49.56 | Daskreech | Ah that's handy :) |
| 19:50.27 | karlpinc | n0sq: What does iceweasel say? (You could also try a newer iceweasel from backports.) At this point I'm sorta lost. (Printing is always a pain in the ass.) |
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| 19:50.52 | zykotick9_ | jelly-home, thanks for your dpkg string above. I'm stealing/adapting that into my personal repertoire ;) |
| 19:51.16 | Daskreech | Oh hmm didn't work though |
| 19:51.23 | Daskreech | errored out on the filename |
| 19:51.32 | karlpinc | n0sq: You could try: Start a new login shell "su - ~", then start firefox from the console "firefox". That should tell you if you need to login again (for some strange reason.) |
| 19:52.00 | jelly-home | zykotick9_: readlink -f is the interesting bit |
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| 19:52.27 | jelly-home | Daskreech: what does ls -ld $(which java) say |
| 19:52.44 | zykotick9_ | jelly-home, tbo i've never used/come across readlink before actually - thanks again |
| 19:53.05 | n0sq | karlpinc: i'm using firefox 6.0.1 - not iceweasel |
| 19:53.35 | n0sq | karlpinc: i tried rebooting - still doesn't work in firefox |
| 19:53.38 | Daskreech | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 50714 2008-09-26 08:39 /usr/java/jdk/bin/java |
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| 19:54.05 | jelly-home | Daskreech: and it's not from a package? |
| 19:54.27 | Daskreech | That's what I'm trying to find out. It seems like the Sun Java but I don't see a package for it |
| 19:54.28 | jelly-home | Daskreech: does readlink -f /usr/java/jdk/bin/java return the same path again? |
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| 19:55.16 | Daskreech | No it returns JDK with a version number |
| 19:55.35 | jelly-home | Daskreech: well then. |
| 19:55.45 | Daskreech | jdk_$version_number/bin/java |
| 19:56.31 | jelly-home | and what is the version number? |
| 19:56.32 | karlpinc | n0sq: Yes, but iceweasel is the firefox code with the logos removed so testing it says something. (I'm not sure what....) |
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| 19:56.52 | Daskreech | 1.6.0_10 |
| 19:57.13 | jelly-home | Daskreech: that's quite old |
| 19:57.55 | jelly-home | Daskreech: and what does ls -ld /usr/bin/java say? |
| 19:58.00 | Daskreech | jelly-home: That was my first objective. To update it but I couldn't find a package for it so I was trying to hunt it down |
| 19:58.02 | alabd1 | somiaj: backport packages security is the same as testing ? |
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| 19:58.16 | n0sq | karlpinc: ok - iceweasel shows the printer - firefox doesn't |
| 19:58.22 | Daskreech | jelly-home: doesn't exist |
| 19:58.33 | karlpinc | n0sq: It might, for instance, be a new bug in firefox that's not in the older iceweasel or the newer iceweasel in backports. Let's look at the versions.... |
| 19:58.37 | jelly-home | Daskreech: it's not from a debian package. |
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| 19:58.53 | karlpinc | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:58.54 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-9; wheezy: 5.0-6; sid: 6.0-4; experimental: 7.0~b2-1 |
| 19:58.57 | jelly-home | Daskreech: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:59.00 | Daskreech | I thought the path sounded strange |
| 19:59.02 | Daskreech | Lenny |
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| 20:00.22 | n0sq | karlpinc: ok - iceweasel 3.5.16 - firefox 6.0.1 |
| 20:00.37 | alabd1 | karlpinc: backport packages security is the same as testing ? |
| 20:00.46 | jelly-home | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 20:00.46 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 6.26-1; sid/non-free: 6.26-3 |
| 20:01.02 | wols_ | alabd1: neither backports nor testing have security (theoretically testing does, but in practice it doesn't exist) |
| 20:01.13 | karlpinc | n0sq: I don't suppose you could choose the printer somewhere in the preferences? (That's something I could imagine the debian packagers doing when they package iceweasel.) You might try a firefox support channel.... |
| 20:01.59 | Daskreech | jelly-home: I'd presume those are not from any of the repos i have listedin the sourceslist |
| 20:02.00 | karlpinc | n0sq: You could look at the readme.debian for iceweasel (as a stab in the dark). I'm slightly out of ideas, execpt for asking the firefox folks. Maybe someone else here has an idea. |
| 20:02.11 | jelly-home | Daskreech: if you need Sun Java, read http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates. Add a sources.list line for lenny-proposed-updates similar to the one listed there. Then install sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-jdk |
| 20:02.24 | n0sq | my wife's laptop has firefox 6.0.1 and the printers show up - could be that i removed iceweasel from hers and that could be the issue on my laptop |
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| 20:03.05 | Daskreech | jelly-home: hopefully that will fix the timezone problems |
| 20:03.37 | somiaj | alabd1: backport security is up to the person who backports it. So little to none (testing at least gets fixed packages filtering in, it just sometimes takes a month or more) |
| 20:03.57 | somiaj | alabd1: again don't run testing as a server is the warning. |
| 20:03.57 | n0sq | nope, that's not the problem |
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| 20:04.25 | karlpinc | n0sq: Didn't sound likely. |
| 20:04.29 | jelly-home | Daskreech: you'll have to get rid of the current jdk or at least fix paths for java/javac/whatever java binaries you use |
| 20:04.45 | alabd1 | somiaj: karlpinc wols_ thanks Allah bless you |
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| 20:05.06 | Daskreech | jelly-home: Yes I was just handed a server so I'll have to track down how this stuff was installed |
| 20:05.06 | jelly-home | Daskreech: or keep the paths but fix the /usr/java/jdk symlink |
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| 20:05.28 | Daskreech | jelly-home: I was going to go for that solution in the interim :) |
| 20:06.31 | Daskreech | jelly-home: since I'm on the subject. Oracle Java will be dropped from Debian. Correct? |
| 20:06.53 | karlpinc | n0sq: Printer shows up in, say, 'lpstat -a'? |
| 20:06.59 | n0sq | could be that i'm running 32 bit firefox on 64 bit debian squeeze - the wife's lappy is 32 bit debian squeeze |
| 20:07.11 | n0sq | karlpinc: yep |
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| 20:07.23 | jelly-home | Daskreech: cease to be updated, at the very least |
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| 20:07.55 | Daskreech | jelly-home: ah so last release under the current license? |
| 20:07.56 | netanel | if i accidently deleted the apache2 ports.conf , how can i re-install the apache2 package that will re-installing all the missing files? |
| 20:08.19 | jelly-home | perhaps there will be a make-jpkg tool to make packages like in the days of yore |
| 20:08.35 | jelly-home | netanel: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:08.48 | karlpinc | n0sq: I don't think that's supposed to matter.... But, you may need some additional 32bit libaries that arn't installed. That sounds likely. |
| 20:08.49 | Daskreech | ah somewhat like Ubuntu's flashplugin-installer package |
| 20:08.57 | jelly-home | Daskreech: 1.6.0_26 seems to be that |
| 20:09.08 | jelly-home | Daskreech: or debian's flashplugin-nonfree, yes |
| 20:09.29 | karlpinc | n0sq: Look at the dependences for iceweasel and chase through them and see if they're all installed. |
| 20:09.33 | Daskreech | I wonder why Ubuntu changed that |
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| 20:09.50 | Daskreech | well hopefully OpenJDK is good enough for this to be moot |
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| 20:10.34 | Daskreech | Would be nice for Oracle to legitimately drop java to Community support for reasons other than screwing over the alternate community |
| 20:10.36 | n0sq | karlpinc: interesting, i have a 64 bit version of firefox 6.0.2 on my system and i launched it & found that the printer shows up |
| 20:10.39 | qrq | Hi |
| 20:10.52 | qrq | How can I install gnome 3.x on Debian Squeeze? |
| 20:11.10 | Daskreech | qrq: compile? |
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| 20:11.15 | qrq | Nooo! :D |
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| 20:11.21 | qrq | No packages? |
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| 20:11.38 | somiaj | qrq: short answer is you don't. |
| 20:11.52 | qrq | Ok :) |
| 20:11.59 | qrq | Thanks |
| 20:12.09 | _Dave123_ | is jailkit needed on the average webserver? |
| 20:12.12 | _Dave123_ | what do you guys think? |
| 20:12.46 | n0sq | well, i downloaded firefox 6.0.2 from an x86_64 tree but the 64 bit flashplayer doesn't work with it |
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| 20:12.57 | karlpinc | n0sq: Gotta be dependences. (For some value of "gotta". ;-) |
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| 20:13.15 | somiaj | _Dave123_: what is jailkit? (hiding the server in a chroot?) |
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| 20:14.26 | n0sq | karlpinc: probably - i couldn't get firefox to launch until i downloaded some 32 bit libraries |
| 20:14.52 | karlpinc | _Dave123_: Chroots aren't worth it. If you really think you need one you may as well go all the way and use a vm. |
| 20:14.56 | n0sq | might need some more 32 bit libraries |
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| 20:17.20 | Arafangion | karlpinc: That would put everything into it's own window. |
| 20:17.29 | Arafangion | karlpinc: chroots are still worth it. |
| 20:17.37 | _Dave123_ | karlpinc: ok |
| 20:18.32 | birgi_ | hey all, my apt-get tries to use ipv6 while accessing mirrors.kernel.org. I disable ipv6 so it fails. How can I force apt-get to use ipv4? |
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| 20:19.06 | Daskreech | jelly-home: Thank you very much |
| 20:20.08 | jelly-home | you're welcome |
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| 20:20.53 | n0sq | karlpinc: so you're saying that running servers in a VM is more secure than chroot? |
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| 20:21.32 | PerfDave | Depends on your definition of "more secure" - what you're trying to secure against what. |
| 20:21.33 | pfred1 | well that sure went poorly |
| 20:21.55 | PerfDave | Getting out of a chroot when you have root access within it is trivial, but it's not designed to protect against that. |
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| 20:24.29 | Sokini_ | hi |
| 20:24.49 | Sokini_ | i'm having trouble with loading openbox |
| 20:25.10 | Sokini_ | when logging in from slim, it just doesn't show up |
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| 20:25.19 | somiaj | Sokini_: do you have openbox set in .xsession? |
| 20:26.06 | Sokini_ | uh... no... |
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| 20:26.44 | Sokini_ | i set it up in .xinitrc |
| 20:26.48 | hostdream | hello, is there a way to make a repo mirror with rsync`? |
| 20:26.51 | Sokini_ | and in slim.conf |
| 20:27.23 | jelly-home | Sokini_: does it work differenly if you switch to some other login manager like gdm? Have you inspected your user's ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 20:27.38 | somiaj | Sokini_: raninto this with someone else, the default Xsession script in debian seems to prefer .xsession, use that file isntaed. |
| 20:27.58 | somiaj | Sokini_: you could chance the login_cmd in slim.conf, but using .xsession is preferable |
| 20:28.05 | ansgar | hostdream: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/project/ftpsync/ I think. |
| 20:28.18 | Sokini_ | how do i configure .xsession for that then? |
| 20:28.27 | Sokini_ | mine is empty |
| 20:28.29 | somiaj | Sokini_: its identical to .xinitrc file |
| 20:28.34 | Sokini_ | oh. okay |
| 20:28.35 | hostdream | thanks ansgar I will look that |
| 20:28.36 | somiaj | Sokini_: so just exec /path/to/openbox |
| 20:28.38 | ansgar | hostdream: Also http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#how |
| 20:28.44 | Sokini_ | trying right now |
| 20:29.04 | hostdream | ansgar : and in french :) perfect, thanks |
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| 20:29.40 | somiaj | hostdream: yes debian.org honors your language setting. (: |
| 20:30.00 | hostdream | somiaj : that's what I thought :P |
| 20:30.14 | hostdream | dumb question : is this script usable for debian and ubuntu ? |
| 20:30.30 | Sokini_ | somiaj: omg, thanks a lot!! |
| 20:30.43 | Sokini_ | two days i was trying to make it work |
| 20:30.48 | Sokini_ | -_-" |
| 20:31.14 | Sokini_ | crunchbanglinux FTW !! (Debian derivative) |
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| 20:31.24 | Sokini_ | thanks a lot again, see you latert guys |
| 20:31.28 | somiaj | Sokini_: yea its bad documation, a bug should be filed but I'm not sure where. But the login_cmd in slim calls /etc/X11/Xsession script which uses .xsession over .xinitrc |
| 20:32.23 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 20:35.03 | Iridos | somiaj, I hate that! If I set it to my local language, I get bad (or plain inappropriate) translations on international sites like debian.org, if I set it to English, I get bad English translations on pages that should be in my native language |
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| 20:36.17 | somiaj | Iridos: could there be a difference between your browser 'translating' other pages, and the server poping up a page correctally translated to your language? |
| 20:36.27 | somiaj | Iridos: but yes I could see that as a problem. |
| 20:37.12 | Iridos | somiaj, I'm just referring to the language setting... debian.org and the like I would always like in English (how irritating to read something in one language, discuss it here in a different one) and so on |
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| 20:37.47 | Nakkel | I have a fit-PC2i which I'm configuring as a gateway at home. If I enable IP packet forwarding the whole system freezes when trafic starts to move through. Any ideas where to look for the problem? |
| 20:37.51 | Arafangion | Poor translations can be hilarious, though! |
| 20:37.54 | somiaj | Iridos: yea should be a flag to tell the server to ignore the setting. |
| 20:38.06 | Iridos | somiaj, the translations of PC terms from English that are often not coined properly in other languages are irritating anyway |
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| 20:38.34 | Iridos | yeah... should always be able to choose easily on the site |
| 20:38.46 | Arafangion | Iridos: They can't be considered as a name and left as they are? |
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| 20:39.39 | Iridos | Arafangion, no, they're usually translated as good as possible, which sounds very strange, because many of them never got the new meaning they acquired in English... |
| 20:39.46 | Iridos | like translating "root" |
| 20:39.54 | somiaj | Iridos: I just know with chromium, it asks if I want to 'translate' the page -- but I think that is broswer level as opposed to the server giving you a page in another language. |
| 20:40.05 | somiaj | Iridos: and I can configure that on a page per page basis |
| 20:40.09 | Arafangion | Iridos: I can relate. |
| 20:40.15 | Iridos | somiaj, that's just chromium running as a frontend to google translate |
| 20:40.29 | Iridos | that's something else, completely |
| 20:40.36 | somiaj | Iridos: what I thought. (: |
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| 20:41.09 | Arafangion | Iridos: Still, knowing the etymologies help. |
| 20:41.38 | Iridos | somiaj, the browser itself couldn't do translations of that quality either... it's just running everything through google translate... after all chromium is from google, it comes naturally to them :) |
| 20:42.21 | Arafangion | Machine translation is a fool's quest. |
| 20:44.00 | Arafangion | will go to work today to work on the "snake language". |
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| 20:44.57 | Dinux17 | how can I run a non-linux kernel with GRUB2? |
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| 20:46.54 | somiaj | Dinux17: what do you mean? Boot another operating system? |
| 20:47.12 | Dinux17 | somiaj, yes Minix |
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| 20:49.19 | MrWax | the FQDN should be what /dns IP.IP.IP.IP gives right? |
| 20:49.20 | MrWax | resolving the ip address to a host |
| 20:49.32 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.44 | Dinux17 | how? |
| 20:50.02 | kusanagi_ | I saw the other daY a command to show the disk bY uid... it was diskids... or uiddisk or something along those lines, but i cant remember |
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| 20:50.10 | jelly-home | Arafangion: ssssSSsssSsssssSsssss? |
| 20:50.13 | wols_ | same way your load windows for example. you load the first sector of the bootloader for the other OS |
| 20:50.30 | somiaj | kusanagi_: ll /dev/disk/by-uuid/ (not good enough)? |
| 20:50.30 | wols_ | kusanagi_: blkid? |
| 20:50.46 | somiaj | kusanagi_: should say ls -l (guess you may not have my alais) |
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| 20:51.10 | kusanagi_ | blkid! thanks wols_ |
| 20:51.13 | Dinux17 | wols_, can I chainload GRUB1? |
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| 20:51.53 | wols_ | Dinux17: yes |
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| 20:55.08 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Best 'translation' of python :) |
| 20:55.22 | fasta | How do I set the Gnome menu to another language? The session language as specified in Gnome is already set to the correct value. The menu entries themselves are in the correct language, but it still says 'Applications' instead of the native language version of that. |
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| 20:57.10 | nutron | I need to install gcc/g++ v3 for testing, any way I can do that the non-ugly debian way? |
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| 20:58.38 | Iridos | fasta, perhaps that wasn't translated for some reason? |
| 20:58.56 | fasta | Iridos: no, that's not it. In fact, Nautilus appears to be completely in English. |
| 20:59.10 | fasta | Iridos: a very complete translation exists for this language. |
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| 21:02.49 | g00se | kuznetzvo: I zeroed the drive and so far no bitching in dmesg |
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| 21:04.38 | fasta | Iridos: I found it. It is a bug. Perhaps not documented. |
| 21:04.58 | Iridos | fasta, look in the bts |
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| 21:05.29 | Iridos | stuff is often reported and fixed in unstable... takes long or never makes it into stable, though |
| 21:05.36 | fasta | Iridos: basically it says 'Foolang (standard)' and 'Foolang (Fooland)'. You would expect these two to be the same... but they aren't. |
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| 21:06.16 | fasta | Iridos: isn't the point of stable to have less issues than Unstable? |
| 21:06.43 | pipeline | different issues |
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| 21:08.00 | Iridos | fasta, yes, but the point is even more not to drag in new bugs by changing stuff in stable all the time... |
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| 21:08.43 | fasta | Iridos: that sounds like a fairly pathetic state of affairs. Can't anyone write software anymore these days? |
| 21:08.51 | phorce1_home | somiaj: well, it's playable but crashes every few minutes. More poking around to do |
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| 21:10.08 | fasta | In this case it would be really simple: add a check which makes sure at no point two entries exist with the same language. |
| 21:10.40 | fasta | It would be a hack to simply replace such a state with one that doesn't. |
| 21:10.54 | fasta | The proper way would be to make it impossible to build such structures in the API. |
| 21:11.40 | fasta | Not really possible in C, but you can still exit at run-time such that at least buggy programs get caught easily. |
| 21:11.54 | Iridos | fasta, it's actually the only way that works. Stable only gets bugfixes, which are backported into the old versions of the software that is in stable... except for some security bugfixes, no new versions of software are allowed into stable |
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| 21:12.50 | Iridos | fasta, and usually Debian doesn't write software, it's just packaged |
| 21:13.15 | fasta | Iridos: yeah, and if you package shit, you still have shit ;) |
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| 21:13.57 | Djang0 | evening |
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| 21:15.06 | fasta | Iridos: if we look at wine for example, Debian packages 1.01, but Wine claims 1.23 is stable. |
| 21:15.22 | fasta | Iridos: wouldn't it be better to listen to upstream for such things? |
| 21:15.32 | fasta | Especially if you 'only package'? |
| 21:15.37 | pipeline | that's not how it works |
| 21:15.46 | pipeline | stable is stable |
| 21:15.47 | pipeline | i.e. unchanging |
| 21:15.53 | pipeline | only critical security fixes are backported |
| 21:16.11 | Djang0 | tring to install squeeze with KDE .. installer keeps crashing with ! Installation step failed .. did try basic install yesterday (gnome) that worked fine .. anny ideas's ? |
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| 21:16.18 | pipeline | (although wine specifically is a package with problems. its maintainersihp is offagain onagain, so it's out of date even in untbale) |
| 21:16.19 | Iridos | fasta, there's several thousand packages in debian. At some time they release their stable release. Packaged is what is "stable" at the time and can be put in with an appropriate amount of testing |
| 21:16.41 | fasta | Djang0: broken installation media? |
| 21:16.50 | Iridos | fasta, the version that then stays in stable, because it is _stable_, as in "doesn't change all the time" |
| 21:16.50 | Djang0 | net install fasta |
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| 21:17.03 | fasta | Djang0: then no idea. |
| 21:17.20 | Djang0 | shakes hands |
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| 21:17.36 | jeeves_moss | is there an easy way to send an e-mail from a predefined e-mail account (on the local server), but to have the body of the e-mail pulled from a txt file? |
| 21:17.41 | wols_ | Djang0: install without kde and install it later? you can always run tasksel again or better yet, use apt-get |
| 21:17.44 | wols_ | !install kde |
| 21:17.44 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
| 21:17.50 | Iridos | Djang0, not if that error isn't a bit more verbose than that... but nobody prevents you from installing kde on that other install |
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| 21:19.20 | Djang0 | i did use that procedure wols_ |
| 21:19.29 | sviz_ | I'm trying to use debian-intstaller and the fakeroot make rebuild_netboot but I keep getting this error |
| 21:19.30 | sviz_ | E: Couldn't find package include |
| 21:19.30 | sviz_ | make[3]: *** [stamps/get_udebs-netboot-stamp] Error 100 |
| 21:19.32 | Iridos | jeeves_moss, "cat file | /usr/sbin/sendmail username" ? |
| 21:19.36 | sviz_ | can anyone help? |
| 21:19.49 | Djang0 | so install without gui and install when done |
| 21:19.50 | jeeves_moss | Iridos, all of the users on the server are virtual though |
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| 21:20.38 | Superstar | hello. how do i make an application run on start up under a particular user? |
| 21:21.24 | Iridos | jeeves_moss, dunno... never used such a setup... guess can't hurt to try once and see what happens, even if what happens is pretty stupid |
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| 21:22.14 | Iridos | might make no difference? |
| 21:22.17 | Arafangion | ,rr |
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| 21:29.37 | valeriusL | hi |
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| 21:33.06 | valeriusL | does anyone know, what debian package is GNU patch in? |
| 21:33.39 | valeriusL | tried to search in diff, diffutils, but none |
| 21:33.48 | kusanagi_ | valeriusL, what is GNU patch? |
| 21:33.55 | kusanagi_ | the patch utilitY? |
| 21:34.21 | valeriusL | kusanagi_, yes, the utility to apply source patches |
| 21:34.59 | kusanagi_ | valeriusL, apt-file search -x \/patch$ |
| 21:35.02 | bzed | valeriusL: apt-cache show patch |
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| 21:35.45 | valeriusL | kusanagi_, I tried 'apt-cache search patch', but none found... |
| 21:36.05 | valeriusL | kusanagi_, yes, 10x, I'll try.. |
| 21:36.36 | kusanagi_ | what? |
| 21:36.39 | bzed | valeriusL: sounds like your /etc/apt/sources.list is empty or you did not run apt-get update after the last apt-get clean |
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| 21:37.22 | kusanagi_ | patch: /usr/bin/patch |
| 21:37.45 | kusanagi_ | with apt-file u should be able to find the binarY and its package |
| 21:38.01 | bzed | !sources.list |
| 21:38.01 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:38.06 | bzed | valeriusL: ^ |
| 21:38.20 | Talon_ | I've got samba, I have several windows machines and I'd like to access their windows shares, when I click them I get failed to retrieve list from server, but if I take the machines name, and ip, and put it into /etc/hosts as "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx namehere" and try again it works. how do I do this automatically? what am I missing? these machines get IP via dhcp so the ip isn't always the same. |
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| 21:38.54 | valeriusL | bzed, strange, I tried 'apt-cache search patch', but not found -- probably I tried before I updated apt cache :) |
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| 21:41.21 | valeriusL | bzed, no, my sources list is configured, but I deleted the apt cache, and thought it was up to date |
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| 21:41.59 | jeeves_moss | is there an easy way to send an e-mail from a predefined e-mail account (on the local server), but to have the body of the e-mail pulled from a txt file? |
| 21:42.03 | barfoo | hi, where can we find sources for kbuild for 3.1.0? |
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| 21:42.19 | valdyn | Talon_: click them where? |
| 21:43.07 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: why are you asking, which part is non-trivial to you? |
| 21:43.55 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, the local user accounts do not have e-mail accounts (all the e-mail accounts on the server are virtual), so I need to send an e-mail from one of the virutal domains, and pull the body from a txt file |
| 21:44.38 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, the virtual user's account is where I'm running into problems. |
| 21:44.53 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: this is not really local email accounts then, its as remote as one 10000 miles away anyway |
| 21:45.38 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, no, the server that's sending the e-mail also hosts the e-mail server |
| 21:45.51 | barfoo | anyone? |
| 21:45.53 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: sure, except that that part is irrelevant |
| 21:46.14 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: you can use mutt and its -F switch for predefined accounts |
| 21:46.19 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, ok, so how would I specifiy the account to send from then in the command? |
| 21:46.26 | Daskreech | sun-java6-jre should supply a java binary shouldn't it? |
| 21:46.50 | barfoo | Daskreech: yes |
| 21:46.51 | jelly-home | Daskreech: correct |
| 21:46.55 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, so it should be something like "mutt -F <senders_username@domain> -s "subject name" < body_txt.txt |
| 21:47.09 | Daskreech | Hmm |
| 21:47.10 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: no, the -F switch is documented in the manpage |
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| 21:47.16 | Daskreech | not seeing one in the package listing |
| 21:47.18 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, ok, one sec |
| 21:47.19 | jelly-home | Daskreech: dpkg -L packagename |grep bin/ |
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| 21:47.54 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: your command would imply sender spoofing, i dont think you would want that |
| 21:48.04 | Daskreech | jelly-home: That's what i did |
| 21:48.08 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, so, there's not easy way to send it from that account then? |
| 21:48.15 | jelly-home | Daskreech: or it's in one of the dependencies |
| 21:48.18 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: which part is hard? |
| 21:48.19 | jelly-home | Daskreech: sun-java6-bin |
| 21:48.31 | Daskreech | I get /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.26/jre/lib/zi/Asia/Harbin as the result |
| 21:48.53 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, ok, it's a simple question. I need to send the e-mail from a virtualized e-mail account on the SAME server as the command is being run from. |
| 21:48.59 | Daskreech | Ah makes moresense |
| 21:49.01 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: since you dont have local email accounts theres no way except by logging into your mail server |
| 21:49.12 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, ok, so how do I do that then? |
| 21:49.37 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, or can I put a mapping in the aliasis file to the virtual e-mail address? |
| 21:49.39 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: you write the muttrc files with the authentication data of your choice |
| 21:50.10 | barfoo | anyone? :) |
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| 21:50.50 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: what would you map? |
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| 21:51.34 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, becasue I have no idea how to make it work, hence why I'm here asking for the SIMPLE way to make it work, so I can have this script run and have it e-mail me from a valid e-mail account |
| 21:53.46 | Iridos | I forgot... is there some count how many real software packages are in debian? So not list of packages, as that includes libraries and stuff |
| 21:53.57 | Iridos | perhaps ~= number of source packages? |
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| 21:54.28 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Sendmail "How do I configure Mutt to use a remote SMTP server to send mail?" |
| 21:54.42 | jeeves_moss | valdyn, thank you |
| 21:54.43 | Iridos | or perhaps... role::program, scope::application? |
| 21:55.18 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: thats just one part, obviously you will have to set the From: unless your mail server fills that in |
| 21:55.25 | jelly-home | Iridos: so services, kernels or frameworks are not "real software packages"? |
| 21:55.58 | jetscreamer | z |
| 21:56.29 | jetscreamer | literally |
| 21:56.36 | jelly-home | I'd go with # of sources |
| 21:57.03 | themill | Iridos: something like http://paste.debian.net/128555/ (why you'd exclude libraries I don't know though) |
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| 21:58.43 | Iridos | mmh... perhaps you're right |
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| 22:03.37 | Iridos | I think I just thought of "programs/tasks you decide to install because you want to run them" |
| 22:03.55 | Iridos | just like any windows user would download and install from some dodgy source |
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| 22:05.35 | Iridos | jeeves_moss, and I would think the same should still work with sendmail as I said above, too... there's even one mode that's equivalent to connecting to port 25 |
| 22:06.11 | Iridos | (although it's of course not really sendmail, because we got exim or whatever installed... but it's having all the compatibility options) |
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| 22:13.06 | Iridos | apt-cache showsrc tabtabtab Display all 7420 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 22:13.58 | gawry | i'm trying to do an apt-get update but it's giving me an error... |
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| 22:14.43 | Iridos | any specific error? |
| 22:14.45 | gawry | "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://repo.varnish-cache.org squeeze Release.... " |
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| 22:15.29 | mark76 | When are you going to update iceape? |
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| 22:15.53 | gawry | I thought about removing that gpg and adding it again... but i have no idea on how to do.. |
| 22:17.32 | PerfDave | gawry: That's not a problem with a Debian repository, it's a problem with some third-party repo. Ask the repo admin to fix it. |
| 22:18.30 | gawry | PerfDave: i know that... i just wanted to know how do I delete that gpg key so I can add it again |
| 22:18.43 | Iridos | gawry, perhaps it's updating or he put in changed packages... try us.debian.org instead |
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| 22:19.01 | Iridos | gawry, the key hasn't changed... the content of the server has |
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| 22:19.07 | themill | it's unlikely that's what is needed, but given that you substituted "..." for the actual error message... |
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| 22:20.43 | gawry | http://pastebin.com/1YnmCen5 |
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| 22:22.44 | themill | gawry: an invalid signature means that there's crap in the repo or a proxy between you and the repo is corrupting the files. |
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| 22:23.07 | themill | (or some third party repo owner doesn't know how to use gpg properly) |
| 22:23.39 | NekawA | hey guys, some program in xfce is automounting drives for me with options /dev/sdb1 on /media/10a2973a-41c9-426d-8f72-b4dcb12c2a90 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks). Its conflicting with another app that has the drive mounted, how do I disable this? in the menu for removable drives/media I already unchecked everything |
| 22:23.45 | Iridos | The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 60E7C096C4DEFFEB varnish-cache.org repository key <sysadmin@varnish-software.com> |
| 22:24.05 | Iridos | looks like the signatures are doing what they were made for... warn you about packages that are not from debian |
| 22:27.03 | Iridos | gawry, http://repo.varnish-cache.org/debian/GPG-key.txt should be the one... in case you trust those people |
| 22:27.17 | Iridos | (which a little looking around on the server reveals) |
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| 22:29.10 | gawry | Iridos: so they probably changed their private key? and didn't updated the public? |
| 22:29.34 | mark76 | Couldn't you at least update iceape to a newer version of seamonkey than 2.01? |
| 22:30.03 | craigevil | ,versions iceape |
| 22:30.04 | judd | Package iceape on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.11-5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.0.11-7; squeeze-security: 2.0.11-7; sid: 2.0.14-7; wheezy: 2.0.14-7 |
| 22:30.46 | nutron | I'm a touch confused, I have an external USB drive, which I used cfdisk to remove the included ntfs partition, then created one for Linux, and used jfs to format. Upon further inspection, fdisk -l reports the partition as an NTFS/vFAT/exFAT partition. Is this something I should expect or is there something else I should do..? |
| 22:30.53 | mark76 | SIgh |
| 22:31.12 | Iridos | I don't see 2.0.1 in there anywhere, actually |
| 22:31.20 | nutron | Le sigh. |
| 22:31.20 | Iridos | or "2.01" for that matter |
| 22:32.18 | Iridos | jfs? |
| 22:32.31 | mark76 | You do realise that seamonkey is up to version 2.3X |
| 22:33.12 | Iridos | blissfully unaware of it |
| 22:33.14 | nutron | The automagical detectionator may not be so magical down the road. I'm concerned since this drive is acting "odd"... |
| 22:33.43 | d0ct0r_ | Anyone know how much power Debian is consuming? |
| 22:33.46 | nutron | Iridos: jfs - Journaled File System |
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| 22:34.05 | nutron | d0ct0r_: I imagine millions of megawatts |
| 22:34.10 | Iridos | nutron, so what did you use to make it... and what file system |
| 22:34.30 | nutron | Iridos: .. I say that in my first plea for ideas |
| 22:34.52 | nutron | cfdisk, then fdisk mis-reports the partition type |
| 22:34.59 | Iridos | "then created one for Linux, and used jfs to format." |
| 22:35.00 | d0ct0r_ | nutron: i have an 850w corsair. will it be expensive to run debian? |
| 22:35.10 | koollman | d0ct0r_: debian does not consume power. the hardware running debian consume power |
| 22:35.19 | Iridos | nutron, I meant something along the lines of mkfs.ext3 /dev/yourpartition |
| 22:35.37 | Iridos | you just say " then created one for Linux, and used jfs to format." |
| 22:35.43 | nutron | Iridos: mkfs.jfs /dev/sdg1 |
| 22:36.01 | nutron | Created a partition, type 0x83 |
| 22:36.13 | Iridos | ah... was confused, because I didn't see any mkfs.jfs... it's in a separate package |
| 22:36.21 | nutron | Iridos: aye |
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| 22:37.48 | craigevil | mark76, so why not just use seamonkey? |
| 22:38.06 | mark76 | It's a bitch to install |
| 22:38.08 | Iridos | nutron, it's usually the job of mkfs.xxx to set the partition type... perhaps there is none specifically for that filesystem? Or it's broken.. check the bts. You can always set it yourself to whatever you like... "t" in cfdisk (but cfdisk is pretty broken) |
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| 22:38.38 | nutron | d0ct0r_: if you're asking about expense, there are a million ways to conserve power usage. If you make a small effort and use google to give you ideas, I suppose your machine will conserve as much as you tell it to. |
| 22:38.38 | Iridos | mark76, possibly it's also a bitch to package, then? |
| 22:38.40 | craigevil | no its not, download, extract, create a shortcut to launch, same thing I do for firefox |
| 22:39.07 | nutron | Iridos: mkfs sets the partition type? uuudhhhhh... it does? |
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| 22:39.58 | Iridos | nutron, I'm pretty sure mine did at least in one case |
| 22:40.33 | Iridos | must admit I didn't try and see if that's the case for all of mkfs.* (but I think its a logical choice to have it do it) |
| 22:40.48 | wols_ | it doesn't, never does |
| 22:40.54 | Iridos | you sure? |
| 22:40.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just installed totem-coherence plugin that allows playing from DLNA media servers. It works great with MyBookLive 1TB NAS drive. I installed rhythmbox-coherence plugin and it is not working however. I'm not sure why. The plugin has two configuration settings for rhythmbox port and interface. No idea what to put there if anything. Totem plugin has no configuration at all. |
| 22:41.03 | wols_ | yes. only the fdisk program does |
| 22:41.08 | Iridos | hmm |
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| 22:41.26 | Iridos | now I'll have to try when I find a free partition |
| 22:42.10 | wols_ | you can create a filesystem anywhere, you don't need a partition for it. which is why mkfs has no business setting partition types |
| 22:42.23 | nutron | Well regardless, I always thought the fdisk system sets the partition type as... that's what it does.. but you say cfdisk is busted? Anything concrete in the BTS? |
| 22:42.29 | nutron | fondles the bts |
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| 22:43.12 | Iridos | easy enough to test if it's a partition or not |
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| 22:44.10 | wols_ | Iridos: how? |
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| 22:45.44 | Iridos | look if you find a partition table that belongs to it? |
| 22:45.48 | NekawA | ugh it locked up..if anyone knows or said what might be mounting this drive repaste plz |
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| 22:46.49 | wols_ | Iridos: and you look how and where? |
| 22:46.51 | nutron | wow util-linux is... a clusterf... full of bugs I'd hate to be that maintainer |
| 22:47.20 | nutron | 223 Outstanding |
| 22:47.26 | archman | what is making "xset dpm force off" to turn back from "turn off screen" after a few seconds? what are the culprits? |
| 22:47.54 | archman | i issue "xset dpms force off" and my screen turns back on after a few seconds.. |
| 22:50.05 | Iridos | wols_, dunno, I never programmed fdisk, nor mkfs.xxx... I just used it and as far as I remember, the partition type was adjusted afterwards to match the filesystem used |
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| 22:55.21 | Dagger3 | archman: try "sleep 1; xset dpms force off" |
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| 22:56.18 | archman | Dagger3: where? |
| 22:56.33 | archman | Dagger3: oh sorry! |
| 22:56.38 | archman | Dagger3: trying |
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| 22:57.11 | archman | Dagger3: doesn't work, same problem |
| 22:58.18 | archman | Dagger3: trying with usb mouse plugged off |
| 22:58.30 | Dagger3 | well, dang. that helped for me when I hit that issue yesterday |
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| 22:59.34 | archman | seems like the mouse is an issue?... :/ |
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| 23:00.03 | Dagger3 | it'll turn back on if you move the mouse, particularly if it's sensitive |
| 23:00.19 | Dagger3 | I also have that problem... workaround: turn the mouse upside down |
| 23:00.21 | d0ct0r_ | Anyone know where to download debian source code? |
| 23:00.30 | NekawA | hmm seems like the app is putting icons on the desktop, nedx to figure out what app it is and disable it.. |
| 23:00.45 | wols_ | d0ct0r_: man apt-get, especially the "source" parts |
| 23:00.47 | archman | Dagger3: ok :/ |
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| 23:00.51 | archman | Dagger3: thanks! |
| 23:01.22 | d0ct0r_ | wols_ i meant the source CD ISOS |
| 23:01.42 | eniac | I was able to install the broadcom-sta drivers , the interface is created at boot (eth1). Still I'm unable to assign an essid using iwconfig eth1 essid <essid>. |
| 23:02.13 | Dagger3 | archman: maybe it's possible to disable the mouse from bringing the screen out of standby... but I normally use windows, so I'm stuck with the silly workaround anyway |
| 23:02.16 | eniac | I've previously installed ubuntu on this machine , so I was expecting it to work right away. |
| 23:03.17 | archman | Dagger3: do you use this workaround with a gnome shortcut for locking the screen? |
| 23:03.47 | nutron | d0ct0r_: any debian mirror? |
| 23:04.23 | nutron | http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 23:04.58 | nutron | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-cdimage/current/source/iso-dvd/ |
| 23:05.28 | nutron | those are source iso's if you want binaries, they're a couple of levels up |
| 23:05.34 | Dagger3 | archman: on Windows I do it with a keyboard shortcut with a 10s delay... havn't gotten beyond doing xset manually on Debian yet |
| 23:05.43 | nutron | Though, installation via netinst is much much smaller |
| 23:06.53 | archman | Dagger3: sh -c "gnome-screensaver-command -l && sleep 5; xset dpms force off" - works for now in GNOME 2 shortcuts |
| 23:07.19 | NekawA | hah..i just had to write a script to make xscreensaver do wut i want |
| 23:07.48 | nutron | xscreensaver is uber yucky |
| 23:08.22 | NekawA | agreed, i couldnt get others to work right |
| 23:08.43 | NekawA | i use blank screen only tho so its ok |
| 23:09.04 | nutron | should just stfu and provide patches... |
| 23:09.18 | nutron | ... nah, bitching is easier |
| 23:09.24 | NekawA | blank/poweredoff |
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| 23:09.28 | jetscreamer | you're saying you don't like xscreensaver-command |
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| 23:11.22 | archman | NekawA: which command? |
| 23:12.07 | NekawA | which command what |
| 23:12.12 | NekawA | ? |
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| 23:12.53 | archman | NekawA: ...do you use to blank the screen? |
| 23:12.58 | Dagger3 | archman: you may be able to get gnome-screensaver to automatically turn the screens off upon lock. I'm using Xfce, and its "Screensaver Preferences" (looks like a front-end for XScreenSaver?) lets you set the screensaver to "Blank screen only", and has a "Quick Power-off in Blank Only Mode" option |
| 23:13.20 | Dagger3 | archman: (no idea about gnome-screensaver though, you'll have to figure that bit out yourself) |
| 23:13.28 | NekawA | well u can do xscreensaver-demo |
| 23:13.54 | NekawA | and if u have blank scrern set in .xscrnset it will blank it |
| 23:14.39 | NekawA | but i use xscreensvr, and have a shell script disable it IE when launching xbmc/vlc |
| 23:15.40 | NekawA | doesnt anybody have external hd that show up on X desktop when not mounted? |
| 23:15.53 | NekawA | i need to disable this |
| 23:16.06 | nutron | no but I have CD/DVD drives that auto close for me! |
| 23:16.08 | jetscreamer | gnome nautilus settings |
| 23:16.15 | jetscreamer | kde.. i forget |
| 23:16.31 | jetscreamer | i thik |
| 23:16.33 | NekawA | i disabled check boxs |
| 23:16.33 | jetscreamer | think |
| 23:16.46 | NekawA | under settings / removable media |
| 23:16.54 | jetscreamer | there['s a show unmounted devices setting somewhere in gnome |
| 23:16.55 | NekawA | usin xfce4 |
| 23:17.00 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 23:17.09 | NekawA | its like |
| 23:17.23 | NekawA | if i accidentally click it |
| 23:17.32 | NekawA | it mounts it |
| 23:17.47 | NekawA | and the vps with it mounted messes up |
| 23:19.01 | NekawA | its mounting as /media/UUID Which i find odd bdcause it was /media/usb after install, i disabled that.. |
| 23:19.17 | Iridos | wols_, indeed can't see any of them change the type |
| 23:19.26 | Iridos | getting older is no fun :( |
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| 23:24.26 | L0C41H05T | hi for some reason i am getting this errors when trying to install new programs |
| 23:24.36 | L0C41H05T | http://pastebin.com/k0jdJjXw |
| 23:24.44 | L0C41H05T | from line 15 |
| 23:26.09 | wols_ | ,versions perl |
| 23:26.09 | judd | Package perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; sid: 5.12.4-4; wheezy: 5.12.4-4; experimental: 5.14.1-2 |
| 23:26.40 | themill | L0C41H05T: do you have a locally compiled perl in /usr/local? |
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| 23:27.12 | Iridos | wols_, very vexing... I thought perhaps only one of them does it... but I tried all my suspects... and seems not |
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| 23:29.20 | L0C41H05T | yes themill |
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| 23:30.41 | themill | L0C41H05T: that's the answer to your problem... installing system tools like perl and python anywhere in your PATH is madness. If you really must have a newer perl, stick it in /opt and don't have it in PATH |
| 23:31.11 | Iridos | specifically not roots path |
| 23:31.14 | L0C41H05T | ah i see thanks |
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| 23:36.21 | Iridos | I'm still annoyed by misremembering the mkfs stuff |
| 23:36.46 | Iridos | how can my unfailing perfect memory be wrong |
| 23:37.37 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 23:59.09 | tabakhase | someone with rsyslogd should explain my why that happens (or better not happens).... going strupid in here... http://nopaste.php-quake.net/69546 |
