| 00:00.05 | owen1 | th0r: macbookpro i got at work and want to use debian instead. |
| 00:00.42 | th0r | owen1: ok...I only run debian as hosts here, and I could guess at where the guest additions iso is located in windows, but I know nothing of the mac, sorry |
| 00:01.02 | owen1 | th0r: no worries. what's the name of this file? |
| 00:01.38 | th0r | owen1: /usr/share/virtualbox/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso |
| 00:01.39 | th0r | in my debian |
| 00:02.03 | owen1 | th0r: so it should be on my host. and i mount it to the cd of the guest. |
| 00:02.35 | th0r | owen1: right, then it should show up in /media/VBoxGuestAdditions on the debian guest |
| 00:02.55 | th0r | owen1: I think you could moujnt it and all without rebooting the guest, give that a try first |
| 00:03.19 | owen1 | ok |
| 00:03.49 | owen1 | th0r: btw, what do i do in the guest? do i need to run some commands there? |
| 00:04.05 | th0r | owen1: give me a sec....booting up a linux guest now |
| 00:05.17 | th0r | owen1: ok....you have debian running now, right? You should be able to click on Devices-CDDevices and choose an iso file. |
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| 00:05.52 | owen1 | th0r: wait. first i need to go to the host and look for the iso file. |
| 00:06.07 | th0r | owen1: no, I think you can do it right from the guest |
| 00:06.13 | owen1 | th0r: oh. ok. |
| 00:06.16 | doublehp | bash completion issue: /etc/bash.bashrc looks for /etc/bash_completion when i have /etc/bash_completion.d/ ... what do i do ? |
| 00:06.16 | th0r | owen1: from the virtualbox menu..... |
| 00:06.43 | th0r | owen1: the Machine - Devices - Help menu in the vbox window |
| 00:07.24 | th0r | owen1: in the guest window...not teh vbox window (getting old...or tired....or both) |
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| 00:08.28 | doublehp | fixed : install bash-completion |
| 00:08.32 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: Ok... Well that .deb package didn't do the trick. But i found a tar file of the sources for 2.6.33.6 for armv5. Where should i put it? and you said i need to creat symlinks. Where would i create them? |
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| 00:09.26 | owen1 | th0r: when i click on the cd icon within the guest, i see this option: 'choose a virtual cd/dvd disk file' |
| 00:10.28 | th0r | c0dyhi11: I gotta warn you...it has been ages since I messed with this. Untar the file in /usr/src. That should give you a folder /usr/src/linux-2.6.33 or something like that. Then create a link (ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.33 /usr/src/linux) and remember....I might be totally wrong!!!! |
| 00:10.52 | th0r | owen1: right. choose that and then find the iso file I mentioned earlier |
| 00:11.37 | th0r | c0dyhi11: then change to /usr/src/linux and 'make oldconfig'. That will create a config file that matches your existing kernel |
| 00:12.02 | th0r | c0dyhi11: and one more time....I might be totally wrong! the good news....it shouldn't hurt anything if I am |
| 00:12.21 | owen1 | th0r: there is no file with a similar name on my host (mac) |
| 00:13.04 | th0r | owen1: it should be called VBoxGuestAdditions.iso, it is in windows and linux |
| 00:13.25 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: ok I'll give it a shot |
| 00:13.29 | th0r | owen1: but come to think of it....I think mac uses .bin files doesnt it? |
| 00:13.46 | th0r | owen1: but I would still expect the name to be the same. |
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| 00:14.07 | owen1 | th0r: i don't know. i am doing a search for VBox and nothing comes up |
| 00:14.13 | gnarface | senso |
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| 00:15.31 | owen1 | th0r: i'll google for that file and mac |
| 00:16.02 | th0r | owen1: looking here....http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#idp6269632 |
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| 00:16.17 | th0r | owen1: it tells you where to find the mac file |
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| 00:17.48 | KNUBBIG | Hey, how can I achieve to allow root login from WAN and LAN but allow other users to log in only from LAN, instantly disconnecting them when trying to authenticate from WAN? |
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| 00:23.04 | owen1 | th0r: i found it when via the finder on the mac. i can't see it when i use the dialog on the guest. i'll shutdown the vm and try it from the settings you mentioned earlier. |
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| 00:25.09 | th0r | owen1: ok....good luck |
| 00:25.55 | th0r | owen1: feel free to send me an old mac so I can get some experience with it. (or a new mac...I'm not fussy) |
| 00:26.20 | owen1 | th0r: when i go to 'storage' i see this flie under 'IDE Controller' |
| 00:26.43 | owen1 | th0r: does it means it's already mounted? |
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| 00:27.41 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: that got me a little further. It asked me a million questions when i did the "make oldconfig" i just chose all of the defaults. (I didn't know the answers) when i try to install the package now it throughs a bunch of errors. " error: invalid use of undefined type âstruct module" |
| 00:27.53 | th0r | owen1: yes, I believe so. If that is the case, it should be in /media/VBoxGuestAdditions in debian |
| 00:28.55 | owen1 | th0r: i only have cdrom and cdrom0 in /media |
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| 00:29.19 | th0r | c0dyhi11: this is getting into compiling...and I am not an expert here. But you might check the output and see if it mentions libs....for referenced libs you will need the -dev package from the repo |
| 00:29.30 | owen1 | th0r: what is the test to verify guest additions are working? maybe i am all set? |
| 00:29.33 | th0r | owen1: do you see anything in either one? |
| 00:29.33 | Vbitz | hello again, my mouse cursor seems to be having a issue, it is a straight line |
| 00:29.41 | c0dyhi11 | Thanks |
| 00:29.56 | th0r | owen1: if you can go fullscreen, the additions are probably installed |
| 00:30.05 | owen1 | th0r: no |
| 00:30.10 | th0r | owen1: also, the mouse cursor does not get |
| 00:30.13 | owen1 | th0r: let me try full screen |
| 00:30.18 | th0r | 'trapped' in the debian window |
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| 00:30.46 | KNUBBIG | Hey, how can I achieve to allow root login from WAN and LAN but allow other users to log in only from LAN, instantly disconnecting them when trying to authenticate from WAN? |
| 00:30.54 | owen1 | th0r: last time i did full screen, i saw a black screen and I had to restart my debian. |
| 00:31.07 | owen1 | i'll give it another shot |
| 00:31.25 | owen1 | th0r: i am full screen now |
| 00:32.07 | owen1 | th0r: but i have about 1 inch of blackness both at the top and at the bottom. |
| 00:32.08 | th0r | owen1: then the guest additions appear to autorun in mac.... |
| 00:33.02 | th0r | owen1: where you checked 'fullscreen' there should also be optoins for scaling the window and something else....try them...one or the other takes care of that |
| 00:34.41 | Vbitz | alright how to i change the cursor |
| 00:35.13 | th0r | Vbitz: in gnome? |
| 00:36.49 | owen1 | th0r: i am trying both the scale mode and the auto-resize, but it's not working. the non-full screen is actually bigger than the full one. |
| 00:37.18 | Vbitz | th0r in plain x, my cursor has become a little strange |
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| 00:38.40 | th0r | owen1: the mac puts me in strange territory...I know I had that problem a few times but playing with the display settings in teh guest and those settings in the host seemed to take care of it. |
| 00:38.58 | owen1 | th0r: ok. thanks a lot |
| 00:39.11 | th0r | Vbitz: as far as I know there is no 'plain x'. you have to be running a desktop or window manager of some kind |
| 00:39.23 | Vbitz | th0r i am running awesome |
| 00:39.24 | owen1 | th0r:now i need to find how to make the paste working with the touchpad.. |
| 00:39.53 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: I've done some googleing on my error and it said that i need to enable CONFIG_MODULES. Do i do that in the source .config? or do i have to actually recompile me kernel? |
| 00:40.00 | th0r | Vbitz: sorry...can't help with that one |
| 00:40.33 | th0r | c0dyhi11: I really don't know. Haven't compiled or messed with such things in years. Sorry |
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| 00:41.08 | Vbitz | th0r well to get a little more simple with the issue, my cursor is really thin and stacks quite a few times, it is usable at the top but this is a problem |
| 00:41.26 | th0r | owen1: see if you have synclient installed. that is what configures the touchpad on my netbook, but I don't know if it applies to mac or not |
| 00:41.55 | owen1 | th0r: cool. will do! |
| 00:42.55 | th0r | owen1: there should also be some config package in the menus for the mouse....I am not using gnome so can't be too specific about that one. |
| 00:43.19 | owen1 | th0r: not using gnome as well |
| 00:43.45 | th0r | owen1: what are you running....debian server? |
| 00:44.20 | owen1 | th0r: it's a laptop with netinstall + awenomeWM |
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| 00:45.08 | Vbitz | owen1 same wm as me, how are you liking it |
| 00:45.53 | owen1 | Vbitz: can't use anything else |
| 00:45.54 | th0r | owen1: you and Vbitz are probably looking for the same thing...the mouse config package in the menus of awesome |
| 00:46.53 | owen1 | Vbitz: the only change i made to the rc.lua is removing the 'shift' from killing a client so i could kill it with commmand+c |
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| 00:47.21 | john3voltas | good evening. yesterday i came here with a network problem in wicd. someone advised me to move to network-manager. i've been looking at network-manager trying to understand if it has a gtk frontend. can someone clarify to me if there is a gtk frontend for network-manager? |
| 00:47.38 | owen1 | Vbitz: and also i set the default layout to 2 (tiled) instead of 1. |
| 00:47.42 | Vbitz | well my issue is not really annoying so i will fix it on the next restart |
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| 00:47.56 | Vbitz | owen1 how do you do that? |
| 00:48.05 | th0r | john3voltas: I believe it is a gnome applet |
| 00:48.06 | owen1 | Vbitz: do what? |
| 00:48.14 | Vbitz | john3voltas, nm-applet |
| 00:48.23 | owen1 | Vbitz: remove the shift? |
| 00:48.35 | Vbitz | owen1 change the defualt layout and theme |
| 00:48.45 | Vbitz | owen1, is there a good tutorial for it? |
| 00:49.02 | john3voltas | thanks Vbitz and th0r. i will look into nm-applet. |
| 00:49.37 | owen1 | Vbitz: I didn't say i changed the theme..but i sometimes do. there are all kind of tutorials on the awesome wiki but sometimes i just ask on #awesome |
| 00:50.04 | Vbitz | john3voltas, it is prety much the same on the surface as the windows configuration tool but you can do a bit more configuration |
| 00:50.06 | owen1 | Vbitz: it's on oftc, not freenode, btw |
| 00:50.37 | owen1 | Vbitz: first you need to copy the rc.lua from /etc/bla bla bla to .config/awesome |
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| 00:51.02 | owen1 | Vbitz: than i can show you what line to edit to change the default layout |
| 00:51.04 | john3voltas | Vbitz: wikipedia says that nm-applet is for gnome. i was looking for a gtk frontend for network-manager. |
| 00:51.41 | th0r | john3voltas: I think wicd is your only other choice. At least I haven't found one. Personally, I prefer wicd to nm-applet |
| 00:51.58 | Vbitz | it will work on any window manager, all it does is put a tray icon that you can right click, you can just right click and edit config |
| 00:52.43 | owen1 | Vbitz: i use wicd-curses btw, it's the text version |
| 00:53.11 | john3voltas | th0r: that's fine. i'm using wicd and i was only looking into nm-applet because yesterday someone in this channel told me that wicd development has now stopped. |
| 00:53.19 | Vbitz | well i had some issues with the gtk version so i switched to network manager |
| 00:53.30 | john3voltas | he/she advised me to move to network-manager |
| 00:54.35 | john3voltas | i would like to keep working with wicd, but then i come here asking for help and people tell me to move into something else... |
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| 00:57.07 | thogar | everytime upon startup, remote deskop always aks for a keyring password, how do i remove it? |
| 00:57.18 | thogar | desktop* |
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| 00:58.39 | th0r | thogar: I can't tell you how to remove it, but I can tell you something about it. It is the gnome-keyring, and you cannot just delete it. But there is info on the web about disabling it. That was one reason I ran away from gnome as quick as I could |
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| 00:59.02 | thogar | lol, can i just uninstall the package? |
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| 00:59.37 | th0r | thogar: no, I think that will just cause more problems. Check for howtos and such first, I would hate to cause you more headaches |
| 01:00.52 | th0r | thogar: first choice here looks promising http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=disable+gnome+keyring&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest |
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| 01:02.38 | thogar | ive been searching for a couple hours but ill keep trying |
| 01:04.25 | th0r | thogar: there are three or four links on that page about how to disable the keyring |
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| 01:08.15 | thogar | i already tried deleting default.keyring |
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| 01:12.26 | th0r | thogar: I see at least six different suggestions in the one page I just looked at. God helps those who help themselves |
| 01:12.55 | thogar | lol |
| 01:13.26 | thogar | im very very nuxtarded, is the main problem, i need "simon says" instructions at this point, also most of those directories i dont even see |
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| 01:19.27 | thogar | are you kiddin me... hidden files rofl |
| 01:20.56 | th0r | thogar: you see, you're getting smarter already |
| 01:21.40 | thogar | so that whole time i was searching for something that was hidden lol |
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| 01:24.35 | BobbyDa | hi |
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| 01:24.57 | BobbyDa | Hello everyone! |
| 01:25.27 | streuner_ | holycow: moo! |
| 01:25.51 | BobbyDa | am I lagging? |
| 01:25.59 | thogar | dont thinkg so |
| 01:26.23 | BobbyDa | awsome guess what I'm chatting off of? |
| 01:26.39 | BobbyDa | a blackberry running debian!!! |
| 01:26.39 | thogar | a phone? |
| 01:26.41 | nsadmin | BobbyDa well... if everyone on the channel greeted you back, you (and the server) would be |
| 01:26.42 | thogar | aha |
| 01:27.13 | BobbyDa | how'd you know thogar? |
| 01:27.23 | BobbyDa | nsaadmin: true |
| 01:27.29 | thogar | because no one would say that, if they were on a computer lol |
| 01:27.39 | holycow | hola streuner_! |
| 01:27.41 | BobbyDa | oh lol |
| 01:28.12 | nsadmin | unless you were on your wifi toaster... |
| 01:28.43 | thogar | lol wifi toaster |
| 01:28.50 | thogar | with a cantenna |
| 01:29.07 | nsadmin | yep... I'm talkin to you now om a charcoal briquette |
| 01:29.15 | nsadmin | it's kinda dusty |
| 01:29.19 | BobbyDa | I haven't been on here forevever, is LILO still boss |
| 01:29.37 | BobbyDa | does anyone remember user called netgod |
| 01:29.38 | nsadmin | lilo has passed away |
| 01:29.59 | nsadmin | yep |
| 01:30.20 | nsadmin | Johnnie Ingram, I believe |
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| 01:30.35 | BobbyDa | literally passed away?? |
| 01:30.40 | nsadmin | yep |
| 01:30.47 | BobbyDa | yea johnny |
| 01:31.11 | BobbyDa | lilo really died?? what happened |
| 01:31.27 | nsadmin | hit and run |
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| 01:31.40 | jpinx | farts in the general direction of streuner_ |
| 01:31.51 | nsadmin | from some truck while he was on a bike |
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| 01:32.01 | BobbyDa | johnny was one of my best friends (online) from the 90s |
| 01:32.27 | streuner_ | jpinx: you are very friendly today :-) |
| 01:32.50 | nsadmin | forward farting friendly fumes |
| 01:32.57 | BobbyDa | nsa, wow |
| 01:33.02 | jpinx | ate lots of eggs to make it extra friendly |
| 01:33.09 | NekawA | this is frurstrating |
| 01:33.15 | streuner_ | nsadmin: hehe |
| 01:33.24 | NekawA | third install, grub cant fine the lvm |
| 01:33.40 | NekawA | find* |
| 01:33.40 | jpinx | re-arranges nsadmin 's anatomy |
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| 01:33.43 | BobbyDa | nsa, a lot of people didn't like him but still |
| 01:33.57 | BobbyDa | sucks that he died |
| 01:34.35 | BobbyDa | I wish I could reach johnny but he sold netgod and I lost touch |
| 01:35.01 | jpinx | hears #debian-offtopic calling |
| 01:35.02 | nsadmin | well he is/was a dd |
| 01:35.11 | BobbyDa | sorry |
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| 01:35.37 | superlinux | hi |
| 01:36.36 | thogar | now all i need to do is make a script execute what i say in a terminal upon startup |
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| 01:37.56 | superlinux | I have an Acer travelmate 4000 laptop. I want to stop it from going to sleep. after a while it dim the screen and everything stops unless i move the mouse or keyboard. so, how can I stop it from sleeping? |
| 01:39.09 | jpinx | superlinux: dunno about that model, but there was a script in acpi or similar I was able to edit to change such behaviour in my eeepc |
| 01:39.37 | nsadmin | BobbyDa, no idea |
| 01:39.46 | superlinux | jpinx, what was the script name? |
| 01:39.49 | BobbyDa | :( |
| 01:40.24 | nsadmin | thogar, what you say? you'd need a voice input for that |
| 01:40.28 | superlinux | jpinx, you may look at it as a normal PC. it's a normal laptop. not a notebook like eeepc |
| 01:40.48 | jpinx | superlinux: /etc/acpi/something.about.suspend.sh |
| 01:40.59 | superlinux | ok |
| 01:41.40 | jpinx | has yet to see the realdifference between netbook, notebook and laptop - other than size |
| 01:43.05 | nsadmin | BobbyDa, if he's still a DD, maybe you can find him in some database |
| 01:43.18 | thogar | lol what |
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| 01:45.39 | thogar | i need to make a script that opens terminal and then enters all the commands i give it upon startup, i need terminal to stay open |
| 01:45.57 | thogar | i already made the script but i have to execute it within terminal |
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| 01:46.52 | boudiccas | .dpkg kmymoney |
| 01:47.08 | boudiccas | !dpkg kmymoney |
| 01:47.31 | boudiccas | or is it judd that gives out the packages for each iteration of debian? |
| 01:47.43 | boudiccas | .judd kmymoney |
| 01:47.51 | boudiccas | !judd kmymoney |
| 01:47.51 | dpkg | boudiccas, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 01:48.01 | nsadmin | or, http://packages.debian.org |
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| 01:49.40 | nsadmin | also, if you msg the bot it will msg you back as long as you're here (it ignores any msg coming from clients not on channel) |
| 01:49.59 | BobbyDa | I miss the late 1990s |
| 01:50.31 | BobbyDa | linux was thriving during the dot com bubble, still is |
| 01:50.34 | boudiccas | .judd tell boudiccas about kmymoney |
| 01:50.41 | BobbyDa | this chat too |
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| 01:51.39 | BobbyDa | spent most of my 20s in these chst rooms getting help and helping people |
| 01:52.12 | boudiccas | whoami |
| 01:52.20 | jpinx | !tell boudiccas about judd |
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| 02:08.16 | amero | what does this mean? |
| 02:08.19 | amero | ERROR: Must set personality to get -x option. |
| 02:08.29 | amero | ps -xo pcpu,pid,user,args -C firefox |
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| 02:18.10 | Tramp | amero: ps x -o ... |
| 02:20.12 | amero | i'm still getting that error |
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| 02:24.20 | jmarsden | Tramp: mixing BSD and Unix option styles tends to confuse ps. Either use -x -o or else use all BSD (no leading -) options for greater clarity and more chance of it doing what you want. |
| 02:24.51 | Tramp | jmarsden: there is no -x option in my manpage - and amero asked the Q |
| 02:25.59 | Onryo | where is the git for Debians kernels. |
| 02:26.12 | jmarsden | OK. amero: what are you trying to get ps to do for you? |
| 02:26.34 | Onryo | Need to patch the kernel with auf3 as I am rolling my own distro .. |
| 02:27.12 | pfred1 | Onryo sounds ambitious |
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| 02:28.01 | Onryo | pfred1 not really. Just use a tool like remastersys |
| 02:28.17 | pfred1 | Onryo I just use Debian |
| 02:28.51 | jmarsden | amero: try ps -o pcpu,pid,user,args -C firefox-bin and if that does not do what you need, tell me what you want the x to do... |
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| 02:29.41 | Onryo | pfred1 I live debian because it is clean. That is why I am using it as a base for the distro I need. A bunch of TAILS stuff and a bunch of tools from BackTrack5 based on Debian. |
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| 02:30.12 | pfred1 | Onryo you're making a recovery tool distro? |
| 02:30.20 | nsadmin | those tools are not in debian? |
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| 02:30.31 | Onryo | pfred1 a live CD that can be installed |
| 02:30.37 | iluminator101 | is there a kernel add on for snapdragon processor on debian sid? |
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| 02:33.35 | iluminator101 | is there a kernel add on for snapdragon processor on debian? |
| 02:34.06 | nsadmin | as far as I have seen, a particular cpu is not an addon, you compile the whole kernel for it |
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| 02:38.33 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:38.47 | lenswipe | i have 2 monitors connected and one of them keeps dimming and brightening |
| 02:39.03 | nsadmin | check connector |
| 02:39.04 | lenswipe | particularly if i open a window on another monitor and press backspace |
| 02:39.08 | lenswipe | nsadmin, see above |
| 02:39.27 | lenswipe | if i have IRC open on the other monitor and press backspace it dims slightly |
| 02:39.35 | lenswipe | then it brightens after a while |
| 02:39.44 | lenswipe | until i press backspace on the other monitor again |
| 02:40.43 | lenswipe | i thought the monitor was faulty but im inclined to think its a problem with debian |
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| 02:46.02 | nsadmin | you understand, tho, that debian-the-distribution is divided into packages? |
| 02:48.07 | nsadmin | if you could be a bit more specific, and also (concisely) say more about what you've learned to this point, that could be helpful |
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| 02:51.01 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i dont really have any more info sorry |
| 02:51.11 | lenswipe | ampqre, hey |
| 02:51.15 | ampqre | hi |
| 02:51.16 | lenswipe | ampqre, are you clicked into this tab? |
| 02:51.26 | ampqre | yes |
| 02:51.28 | ampqre | probly |
| 02:51.30 | ampqre | yes |
| 02:51.35 | lenswipe | ampqre, now look at the blue colour |
| 02:51.58 | ampqre | i dont see blue only red and blck |
| 02:52.01 | ampqre | *black |
| 02:52.31 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 02:52.32 | lenswipe | oh well |
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| 02:56.23 | SkilZ | Hey I installed plymounth, but its not showing when my system boots |
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| 02:56.38 | hanasaki | is kernel 3 due in testing at any time? |
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| 03:02.06 | rudi_s | ,kernel |
| 03:02.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-2); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 03:02.25 | rudi_s | hanasaki: Looks like it already is. |
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| 03:10.59 | hanasaki | cool thanks |
| 03:11.08 | rudi_s | np |
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| 03:13.09 | nezZario | Ok, I don't like exim |
| 03:13.22 | nezZario | I want to remove exim, but apt-get remove exim4 claims it removes exim4, but does not remove exim4 |
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| 03:14.30 | asdjaputra | purge |
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| 03:26.13 | johntramp | hi. when I try aptitude install mpd I am getting this. How can I install mpd? http://pastebin.com/8GyUWV9y |
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| 03:39.48 | lilith | hi everyone |
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| 03:44.05 | lilith | Say I just installed Debian onto a mac intel and upon booting up, aside from a bootloader problem, there are a couple of shift activated symbols that register as various backwards delete (from a text login terminal). Is there a way to change the keyboard without loggin in? I can't log in. I already tried an external PC keyboard with no luck. |
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| 04:18.14 | JohGro | lilith: I do not think I have tried it, but you may be able to do so by booting a live cd, then use chroot to get into the system, and do whatever you want, like trying out "dpkg-reconfigure console-data", which I believe sets the console keymap. Again, I have not tried and do not know if it can be expected to work. |
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| 04:21.33 | OldParr | after upgrading lenny to squeeze my machine do not boot debian please... --> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/pic0010y.jpg/ |
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| 04:26.13 | diegoviola | hi |
| 04:26.14 | diegoviola | i need to install a file server on a Linux server, clients will be Windows and Linux, and I need to be able to assign different permissions and access level to users/clients, any ideas how to do this please? |
| 04:26.58 | ParkerR | diegoviola, lamp stack should do it |
| 04:27.03 | OldParr | after upgrading lenny to squeeze my machine do not boot debian please... --> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/pic0011z.jpg/ |
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| 04:27.10 | centHOGG | for beginers? |
| 04:27.19 | ParkerR | linux-apache-mysql-php |
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| 04:28.29 | NiLon | OldParr did you do what screen suggests? |
| 04:28.30 | nevyn | diegoviola: samba is the usual way to do that. |
| 04:28.40 | nevyn | ParkerR: a lamp stack will not do that. |
| 04:28.54 | diegoviola | ParkerR: LAMP? like exposing the directories from the filesystem via a web server? |
| 04:28.58 | diegoviola | nevyn: thanks |
| 04:28.58 | OldParr | NiLon: i do not understand screen suggest that is the problem |
| 04:28.59 | nevyn | diegoviola: if you want to have linux clients as well you could export nfs as well as samba |
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| 04:29.08 | ParkerR | nevyn, Oh :/ |
| 04:29.10 | diegoviola | nevyn: sure thanks |
| 04:29.37 | nevyn | diegoviola: the administration of samba requires a reasonably advanced leve of windows administration knowledge |
| 04:29.45 | diegoviola | ok |
| 04:30.04 | diegoviola | i think i could handle that |
| 04:30.05 | diegoviola | ty |
| 04:30.54 | diegoviola | i'm already using samba in my own computer |
| 04:31.05 | nevyn | diegoviola: particularly if you want to do things like printing from windows to linux |
| 04:31.08 | OldParr | NiLon: the system reboots again and again after that screen |
| 04:31.33 | nevyn | with automated driver installation etc. |
| 04:31.34 | diegoviola | nevyn: ok |
| 04:31.42 | diegoviola | nevyn: ty |
| 04:31.45 | nevyn | diegoviola: it can be done tho |
| 04:31.54 | NiLon | OldParr I hope you are not pressing ctrl+d :p |
| 04:32.07 | diegoviola | nevyn: i just need to share files, i believe samba will do, ty |
| 04:32.25 | diegoviola | can samba be used over the LAN and also internet, via vpn? |
| 04:32.48 | diegoviola | i know it works over LAN, duh, i do that |
| 04:32.55 | diegoviola | but i don't know internet/vpn |
| 04:32.57 | nevyn | diegoviola: using it over a vpn is doable. but scary |
| 04:33.03 | OldParr | NiLon: sure i do not need to press nothing, the system reboots and reboots again and again by itsekf |
| 04:33.16 | OldParr | itself |
| 04:33.30 | nevyn | diegoviola: webdav is another option for over the web filesharing (which does use a lamp stack (kinda)) |
| 04:33.41 | NiLon | OldParr that sounds bad, try to boot from somekind rescue cd and fix hdd? |
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| 04:33.48 | diegoviola | nevyn: ty |
| 04:33.50 | nevyn | diegoviola: look into openvpn |
| 04:33.56 | diegoviola | nevyn: sure, thanks |
| 04:34.00 | nevyn | if you want to go the vpn route |
| 04:34.10 | diegoviola | I guess SSH/SCP works too, over internet |
| 04:34.34 | OldParr | NiLon: i do not know how to rescue a hdd |
| 04:34.40 | nevyn | diegoviola: scp/sftp if thats all you need works over the interent |
| 04:34.57 | diegoviola | nevyn: yes, i use scp already, thanks :) |
| 04:35.43 | lilith | JohGro: Thanks. I thought of that too but I was just wondering if there's something I could do from the login prompt. I gathered was much but wanted to verify. |
| 04:35.55 | diegoviola | i guess i can just install winscp for the windows clients and then have OpenSSH running on the server.... |
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| 04:36.14 | nevyn | diegoviola: unfortunatly there are no decent free gui sftp clients for windows I've found yet. |
| 04:36.55 | OldParr | after upgrading lenny to squeeze my machine do not boot debian please... --> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/pic0011z.jpg/ |
| 04:37.11 | diegoviola | nevyn: it would be nice if there was some driver for windows so it could be used from explorer itself, like ssh://... |
| 04:37.31 | nevyn | fat chance of that happening |
| 04:37.42 | diegoviola | yep |
| 04:37.43 | diegoviola | meh |
| 04:37.50 | diegoviola | i will use samba |
| 04:37.56 | diegoviola | ty |
| 04:39.55 | diegoviola | nevyn: actually that solution exists |
| 04:39.58 | diegoviola | apparently |
| 04:40.06 | ParkerR | Umm what about WinSCP? |
| 04:40.18 | ParkerR | nevyn |
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| 04:40.45 | diegoviola | nevyn: http://www.swish-sftp.org/ |
| 04:41.36 | ParkerR | diegoviola, ooh nice |
| 04:42.06 | ParkerR | diegoviola, I will try |
| 04:42.30 | diegoviola | ParkerR: ok :) |
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| 04:46.33 | wm4 | are there any kernel backports for linux 2.6.35? |
| 04:47.03 | wm4 | because 2.6.35 is the latest long term support kernel; debian stable has 2.6.32 and backports has 2.6.38/39 |
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| 04:50.06 | nevyn | ParkerR: proprietary |
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| 04:51.32 | wols_ | nevyn: filezilla is nice and is a good sftp client, both windows and linux |
| 04:53.18 | ParkerR | diegoviola, protip: swish cannot read symlinks |
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| 04:53.40 | ParkerR | Acts like files |
| 04:54.19 | diegoviola | that's lame |
| 04:54.23 | diegoviola | probably some windows limitation |
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| 04:56.03 | Sealedf | Hi. |
| 04:56.04 | Sealedf | I have a very tight mason jar. Is there supposed to be a tool used to open these? |
| 04:56.07 | Sealedf | Rubber gasket. |
| 04:56.11 | Sealedf | Is there a tool to open these? |
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| 04:56.43 | Sealedf | Sending $10 PayPal to the first person to give me an answer that works. |
| 04:57.05 | Sealedf | Wake up and get your $$$. |
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| 04:57.28 | wm4 | Sealedf: smash it |
| 04:57.36 | Sealedf | Morons. |
| 04:57.51 | wm4 | where are my $$$ |
| 04:58.11 | Sealedf | You should be stranged with a leather belt. |
| 04:58.37 | wm4 | no objections |
| 04:58.46 | wm4 | from my side, at least |
| 04:59.29 | ParkerR | Sealedf, wow you conne ted just to toll #debian |
| 04:59.38 | ParkerR | *connected |
| 04:59.43 | ParkerR | *troll |
| 05:00.01 | Sealedf | Connected to open my jar, morons. |
| 05:00.08 | Sealedf | Wake up and get your $$$. |
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| 05:00.39 | wm4 | Sealedf: have you tried antimatter? antimatter can be used to solve anything |
| 05:01.33 | Sealedf | go put your head in a toilet, ParkerR |
| 05:02.18 | centHOGG | measure first |
| 05:02.40 | ParkerR | Haha |
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| 05:03.28 | ParkerR | Sealedf, you shouldn't need IRC to open a jar |
| 05:03.40 | ParkerR | Maybe use java |
| 05:04.08 | ParkerR | sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre |
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| 05:05.08 | manhunter | how can i check vfat pendrive on debian/linux ? |
| 05:05.30 | ParkerR | manhunter, ntfsfix iirc. Name may be wrong |
| 05:05.53 | ParkerR | Oh wait XD |
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| 05:06.03 | ParkerR | Oh wait XD |
| 05:06.04 | manhunter | how can i check vfat filesystem on debian/linux ? |
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| 05:06.09 | manhunter | vfat pendrive |
| 05:06.11 | ParkerR | manhunter, not sure |
| 05:06.35 | ParkerR | manhunter, maybe fsck |
| 05:06.40 | wols_ | manhunter: dosfsck |
| 05:06.41 | ParkerR | Or use gparted to check it |
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| 05:07.18 | wols_ | ParkerR: gparted never does anything by itself, it always needs helper programs, like dosfsck |
| 05:07.25 | ParkerR | wols_, first thing I thought of was ntfsfix.. then I was like XD |
| 05:07.30 | ParkerR | wols_, I know |
| 05:07.39 | ParkerR | Helps when you dont know what the stuff is |
| 05:07.41 | superlinux | I have an Acer travelmate 4000 laptop. I want to stop it from going to sleep. after a while it dim the screen and everything stops unless i move the mouse or keyboard. so, how can I stop it from sleeping? |
| 05:07.51 | manhunter | i can't get anything like fsck.vfat |
| 05:08.04 | wols_ | manhunter: please read what you've been told |
| 05:08.13 | ParkerR | superlinux, sometimes thats the screensaver |
| 05:08.38 | superlinux | ok |
| 05:08.52 | ParkerR | superlinux, or power management |
| 05:09.14 | ParkerR | Defaults usually out the computer to sleep after so long |
| 05:09.19 | ParkerR | *put |
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| 05:09.38 | superlinux | ParkerR, I know it's power management |
| 05:10.03 | superlinux | but i need the command line version of the control |
| 05:10.06 | ParkerR | superlinux, no I mean that should be the name of the program if you are looking in the menus |
| 05:10.12 | superlinux | I do't have gnome installed |
| 05:10.17 | ParkerR | Oh |
| 05:10.20 | ParkerR | :/ |
| 05:10.27 | manhunter | wols_: dosfsck /dev/sdc , i got some promt |
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| 05:10.45 | wols_ | manhunter: sdc is not a vfat filesystem normally |
| 05:10.54 | manhunter | dosfsck 3.0.9, 31 Jan 2010, FAT32, LFN |
| 05:10.54 | manhunter | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 05:10.54 | manhunter | Differences: (offset:original/backup) 65:01/00 |
| 05:10.54 | manhunter | 1) Copy original to backup |
| 05:10.54 | manhunter | 2) Copy backup to original |
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| 05:11.43 | manhunter | i got this, http://bpaste.net/show/18267/ |
| 05:11.49 | manhunter | dosfsck /dev/sdc |
| 05:11.58 | manhunter | dosfsck /dev/sdc1 |
| 05:12.00 | manhunter | i got this, http://bpaste.net/show/18267/ |
| 05:12.15 | manhunter | dosfsck /dev/sdcdosfsck 3.0.9, 31 Jan 2010, FAT32, LFN |
| 05:12.17 | manhunter | Logical sector size (64543 bytes) is not a multiple of the physical sector size. |
| 05:12.36 | ParkerR | manhunter, use pastie for all the outputs and please stop repeating |
| 05:13.00 | wols_ | and find out which partition you actually have and what real filesystem is on it |
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| 05:19.12 | ParkerR | Wb Derpadong |
| 05:19.31 | Derpadong | Ty. Im in #! chan too lol |
| 05:19.37 | ParkerR | I know |
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| 05:21.41 | Rafase282 | hello |
| 05:21.49 | Rafase282 | can someone help me with dhcp? |
| 05:22.24 | Rafase282 | dhcp* |
| 05:22.25 | wols_ | state your real problem |
| 05:22.38 | centHOGG | rick perry |
| 05:22.49 | Rafase282 | I'm trying to ssh into my smartphone form usb cable sharing interent |
| 05:22.54 | wols_ | centHOGG: debian problem |
| 05:23.06 | Rafase282 | the phone is configured to get the ip form dhcp |
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| 05:23.15 | wols_ | !enter |
| 05:23.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 05:23.23 | Rafase282 | but I dont know how to install and configure dhcp on my machine |
| 05:23.44 | Rafase282 | Okay. |
| 05:23.50 | wols_ | how does your smartphone physically connect to your debian? |
| 05:23.57 | Rafase282 | Should I start over? |
| 05:24.18 | Rafase282 | My smartphone is actually the one running debian. |
| 05:25.01 | Rafase282 | My host machine is running ubuntu. They can connect, I can even share the interent connection if I edit the usb0 configuration on my host machine. |
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| 05:25.30 | diegoviola | ParkerR: winscp seems to have a explorer interface too |
| 05:25.39 | Rafase282 | However, that would not give me an unique IP to ssh into my smartphone which is what I'm trying to do. |
| 05:26.08 | wols_ | you will always need to use a static IP on the usb0 interface when you want to use it for a dhcp server. for specifics how to run a dhcp server on ubuntu, ask #ubuntu, not us |
| 05:26.37 | wols_ | diegoviola: tried filezilla? |
| 05:26.55 | diegoviola | wols_: not yet, i will try now |
| 05:26.57 | diegoviola | wols_: ty |
| 05:26.58 | Rafase282 | I have asked on both sites, only here have I gotten any attention so far. |
| 05:27.09 | wols_ | Rafase282: we do not support ubuntu |
| 05:27.19 | centHOGG | who does? |
| 05:27.23 | Rafase282 | Is it that different? |
| 05:27.36 | wols_ | Rafase282: it is a nother distro. please stop |
| 05:27.50 | Rafase282 | I understand, thank you for your time. |
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| 05:28.02 | diegoviola | for ubuntu try #ubuntu |
| 05:28.07 | diegoviola | this is #debian |
| 05:28.59 | centHOGG | yeah not that many peeps use this |
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| 05:39.05 | wm4 | are there any properly maintained kernels newer than 2.6.32 for debian stable? |
| 05:39.45 | Sealedf | A court case in Oregon a couple years ago (Boldt v Boldt) gave a 12 year-old (14 by the time it played out in court) the right to refuse to be circumcised. |
| 05:40.23 | JohGro | wm4: there are backports, and I do not know about their security status, but they do seem to be maintained by the kernel team. |
| 05:40.55 | OldParr | after an upgrading it now reboots again and again in a loop, i made fsck -f /dev/hdaX and nothing gets better -----------> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/pic0003v.jpg/ |
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| 05:41.38 | pfred1 | OldParr what did you upgrade from to? |
| 05:41.50 | wm4 | JohGro: I looked at the changelogs of the 2.6.38 and 2.6.39 debian backports kernels; they were just taken from unstable and that's it (they're not in unstable anymore and there hasn't been any work done on them for months) |
| 05:42.08 | OldParr | pfred1: from newest lenny to squeeze |
| 05:42.27 | OldParr | i updated lenny before the upgrade |
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| 05:42.44 | pfred1 | OldParr there are two things you needed to upgrade first did you? one is udev I forget what the other is but I suspect it is apt |
| 05:43.00 | wm4 | are there perhaps any other backports than backports.debian.org? can I try using a Ubuntu kernel? |
| 05:44.08 | OldParr | pfred1: i used "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" |
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| 05:44.38 | pfred1 | OldParr dang all I did was change my source update and away I went |
| 05:44.51 | dreamer | hmm, I was starting to write a cd with k3b and now it seems the cdrom is 'stuck'. since k3b wasn't responding i shut it down. eject -v gives a number of errors: http://pastebin.com/HG4Mr0RV |
| 05:45.00 | pfred1 | OldParr though my udev on tha box is screwed up |
| 05:45.35 | pfred1 | OldParr I did that whole upgrade on a lark I'd plannedo n reinstalling the whole thing anyways |
| 05:45.48 | dreamer | this is on a laptop: dell xps m1530, I haven no way of forcible ejecting the disk. the ejectbutton is not responding and the disk just keeps spinning |
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| 05:46.36 | OldParr | pfred1: what do you mean "a lark" ? |
| 05:47.00 | pfred1 | OldParr was a new system I was just beginning to set it up |
| 05:48.17 | pfred1 | OldParr so I basically didn't know what hardware was in it etc. I don't expect the first install on a new system to be the one |
| 05:48.19 | wols_ | OldParr: so what does your maintenance shell tell you? e.g are you really sure you use hda? |
| 05:48.37 | Arafangion | OldParr: The expression "decided to do... on a lark", is more or less the same as "on a whim...". |
| 05:48.40 | wols_ | dreamer: you will probably have to reboot |
| 05:49.14 | OldParr | Arafangion: what do you mean with "whim" ? |
| 05:49.17 | dreamer | wols_: gah -_- |
| 05:49.18 | pfred1 | Arafangion exactly right I was planning on flusing the whole system anyways so I just wanted to see hwo the upgrade would go |
| 05:49.26 | dreamer | I'm watching a movie right now haha |
| 05:49.39 | wols_ | OldParr: #english. this is a debian support channel, not a linguistics one. just move on |
| 05:49.43 | wm4 | it's funny how you can't get a stable kernel and gcc-4.6 on debian at the same time |
| 05:49.45 | dreamer | meh, I'll crack up the volume so I don't hear the cd spinning .. |
| 05:50.03 | wm4 | because the gcc-4.6 package conflicts with gcc-4.3, and the debian 2.6.32 kernel wants gcc-4.3 |
| 05:50.04 | OldParr | wols_: i do not think that is english |
| 05:50.12 | wols_ | wm4: you cannot get gcc-4.6 or a kernerl > 2.6.32 in stable |
| 05:50.16 | pfred1 | wm4 what is so funny about it a lot of kernels have been narrow about what gcc they work with |
| 05:50.22 | wols_ | !tell OldParr about ot |
| 05:50.31 | Arafangion | OldParr: It's english. |
| 05:50.39 | wm4 | wols_: so what should I do? kill myself? cry some more? |
| 05:50.56 | dreamer | whimNoun/(h)wim/ |
| 05:50.59 | wols_ | wm4: learn how to ask for help on irc would be a good start. you have much to learn there |
| 05:51.00 | Arafangion | wm4: The later is a good way to get girls... Or to push them away. |
| 05:51.06 | dreamer | A sudden desire or change of mind, esp. one that is unusual or unexplained. |
| 05:51.23 | OldParr | after an upgrading it now reboots again and again in a loop, i made fsck -f /dev/hdaX and nothing gets better -----------> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/pic0003v.jpg/ |
| 05:51.26 | wm4 | wols_: you have to learn something about answering questions on IRC |
| 05:51.35 | pfred1 | wm4 presonally I'm surprised the latest kernels work with so many different gcc versions today it used to be much narrower |
| 05:51.47 | Arafangion | wm4: Ha. |
| 05:51.58 | wm4 | pfred1: that's fine, but why does gcc-4.6 conflict with gcc-4.3? |
| 05:52.00 | wols_ | OldParr: please read the message in yout picture more carefully. and answer my question then |
| 05:52.11 | Arafangion | pfred1: I'm still frankly amazed that it's so easy to change kernels without a system-wide update. |
| 05:52.14 | wols_ | ,versions gcc-4.6 |
| 05:52.16 | judd | Package gcc-4.6 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.6.1-4; sid: 4.6.1-8 |
| 05:52.24 | wols_ | wm4: please tell me you run at least wheezy |
| 05:52.36 | wm4 | wols_: sid |
| 05:52.38 | pfred1 | Arafangion that has almost always worked especially in minor versions |
| 05:52.49 | wols_ | wm4: and you complain about a 2.6.32 kernel.? get away |
| 05:52.52 | wols_ | *go |
| 05:53.02 | Arafangion | pfred1: In linux. |
| 05:53.11 | Arafangion | pfred1: It's not normally the case in OS's in general. |
| 05:53.16 | wm4 | wols_: so what should I do when I want g++-4.6 _and_ a stable system? |
| 05:53.17 | wols_ | ,versions gcc-4.3 |
| 05:53.17 | judd | Package gcc-4.3 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.5-4 |
| 05:53.27 | wols_ | wm4: you start by NOT running sid |
| 05:53.29 | pfred1 | Arafangion oh I don't know I only run Linux |
| 05:53.38 | wm4 | wols_: ok, how do I get my g++-4.6 then |
| 05:53.48 | wols_ | !tell wm4 about backports |
| 05:53.56 | wm4 | wols_: it's not in backports |
| 05:54.05 | OldParr | wols_: i can not press control+D because it is in a loop rebooting agaiin and again |
| 05:54.19 | wols_ | wm4: I know it isn't. but you need to read more carefully. |
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| 05:54.38 | wm4 | wols_: ok, thanks for wasting my _and_ your time |
| 05:54.42 | wols_ | OldParr: do a rescue boot some way or the other and recreate your initrd |
| 05:54.45 | wm4 | best for all, eh? |
| 05:54.54 | pfred1 | wm4 if you really want gcc parallel you can bootstrap it yourself |
| 05:55.05 | wols_ | wm4: since you apparently need spoonfeeding: you create your own backport |
| 05:55.48 | wm4 | wols_: port and compile gcc myself? I'm speechless |
| 05:55.51 | pfred1 | I'm sure GNu has the instructions on their website they always have in the past |
| 05:56.01 | wols_ | OldParr: read more carefully. you are not supposed to press ctrl+d btw |
| 05:56.46 | Arafangion | wm4: You seem to think that wols_ is somehow responsible for the decision decisions. |
| 05:56.46 | wols_ | has a suspicion wm4 is lenswipe in disguise. but then: it's sunday |
| 05:57.07 | wm4 | Arafangion: I'm not |
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| 06:06.03 | OldParr | wols_: do you mean "mkinitrd -k vmlinuz-X.X.X. initrd-X.X.X." ? |
| 06:06.34 | wm4 | could somebody pass me the factoid about building a custom kernel? |
| 06:07.08 | Bushmills | seems the debian wiki must be down |
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| 06:08.35 | JohGro | Bushmills: Works for me. |
| 06:09.02 | Bushmills | JohGro: i actually didn't try. it was my impression from reading the channel traffic |
| 06:09.39 | wols_ | OldParr: no. dpkg-reconfigure your kernel |
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| 06:11.26 | wols_ | OldParr: but, what happens when you get this screen you pasted the image? say you don't do anything when it shows, what happens then? |
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| 06:11.56 | wols_ | wm4: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org |
| 06:12.11 | wm4 | thanks |
| 06:12.29 | OldParr | wols_: after that screen the system reboots |
| 06:12.49 | OldParr | and repeats the cicle |
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| 06:14.15 | OldParr | i do not do anything now when it hows that screen, but a few daays ago i was pressing control+D and the result is the same it ignores the control+D |
| 06:15.00 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.24 | Sealedf | "I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to hear from you. And I most definitely don't want to hear whatever bullshit excuses you may have for why my body was surgically violated and why I have been forced to live with the result of your terrible decision." |
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| 06:16.40 | Sealedf | There are large numbers of men in the U.S. that say they like being circumcised. They say this only to protect their emotions, but women believe them, since they really don't understand the male ego and how it works. Mutilating the penis has a direct and powerful effect on the male ego. |
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| 06:17.45 | Sealedf | Men protect their egos at all costs and to face the fact that they have lost a significant part of the very thing which brings them sexual pleasure is simply too much to deal with. |
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| 06:18.26 | Arafangion | Sealedf: Offtopic. |
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| 06:22.04 | Arafangion | How do I sort du -h --max-depth=1's output so that it's sorted by size? |
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| 06:22.41 | SkilZ | I installed 'plymouth' but when my system boots I still see the messages, it appears plymouth is not working |
| 06:23.34 | pfred1 | SkilZ try a Ford |
| 06:23.49 | Arafangion | The obvious answer is to use something like: du --max-depth=1 | sort -rg, however, that's not in nice units such as KB's, MB's, and GB's. |
| 06:23.56 | SkilZ | pfred1, Excuse me? |
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| 06:24.29 | pfred1 | SkilZ MOPAR stands for My Old Pig Ain't Running |
| 06:24.55 | sauvin | Arafangion, think I might have called du twice from a perl script, first to capture entries in absolute form and the second to capture by "human-readable", sorting on the absolute form. |
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| 06:25.22 | Arafangion | sauvin: Yes, I'm wondering if I can do it without working a custom script. |
| 06:25.39 | Arafangion | Although... Perl would be rather elegant. |
| 06:25.41 | sauvin | Hard to see how :( |
| 06:25.46 | zykotick9 | SkilZ, my Plymouth notes (certainly not guaranteed accurate!) http://paste.debian.net/127615/ |
| 06:25.57 | SkilZ | pfred1, What are you talking about? Are you on drugs? |
| 06:26.43 | sauvin | As for "elegant", can't answer that. Using perl for something like this is actually kind like using a schoolbus to run to the corner store for a pack of smokes - but it WILL get you there. |
| 06:26.49 | pfred1 | SkilZ what do you think a Plymouth is a Chevy? |
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| 06:27.01 | Arafangion | sauvin: Or I could write a C program. |
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| 06:27.13 | sauvin | That would take me too long. |
| 06:27.35 | Arafangion | sauvin: Would take me the same time either way, except for the annoyance of having to *compile* the bloody thing. |
| 06:28.11 | pfred1 | gcc hello.c -o hello |
| 06:28.22 | Arafangion | pfred1: Yes. It's annoying. |
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| 06:28.39 | pfred1 | Arafangion compared to what? |
| 06:28.48 | Arafangion | pfred1: Running the source code directly. |
| 06:28.51 | pfred1 | Arafangion your reply to me was more keystrokes |
| 06:28.53 | Arafangion | ie, perl. |
| 06:29.05 | OldParr | wols_: when you say "dpkg-reconfigure your kernel" do you mean "dpkg-reconfigure /media/disk/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686" ? |
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| 06:29.58 | pfred1 | is that even a legal reconfigure option? |
| 06:30.54 | Arafangion | I don't believe so. |
| 06:31.08 | superlinux | hi. my screen flickers very much. it was ok before I upgraded to squeeze. I have intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device |
| 06:31.24 | OldParr | dpkg-reconfigure initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 ? |
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| 06:31.49 | Arafangion | OldParr: dpkg-reconfigure does not configure files. |
| 06:31.54 | wm4 | OldParr: maybe linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 06:31.54 | Arafangion | OldParr: It configures packages. |
| 06:32.40 | hyper_ch | hello there, is there a way that I can start the installation routine from a install.iso on the harddrive when there is already an older debian started? |
| 06:33.54 | OldParr | wm4: can i run this command "dpkg-reconfigure" booting from a rescue disk ? |
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| 06:35.16 | wm4 | OldParr: maybe not... but maybe you could mount your old system, chroot into it, and execute that command |
| 06:36.02 | OldParr | chroot /media/disk ? |
| 06:36.39 | wm4 | what are you trying to do? backlog is too long |
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| 06:39.19 | rozie | superlinux: compare X configurations |
| 06:39.39 | superlinux | I don't have the old one |
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| 06:46.36 | wols_ | OldParr: yes, inside a chroot |
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| 06:46.56 | wols_ | but it's very strange that it would reboot without any further user input or error message |
| 06:47.54 | wols_ | hyper_ch: if you already have an older debian installed, you can debootstrap. however, installing a newer debian to a partition where there already is an older one, is not supported |
| 06:48.22 | OldParr | wols_: i can not execute dpkg-reconfigure in a chroot , booting from fedora live CD, do i must have a debian live CD? |
| 06:48.38 | wols_ | superlinux: which driver are you currently using and at what refresh rate? |
| 06:48.57 | wols_ | OldParr: you can execute it, and a fedora cd is ok |
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| 06:49.29 | hyper_ch | wols_: I have old-stable installed, but it's a bit broken.... and I need to clean it out, so I though I could install a fresh stable... only problem is, I do wish to make non-default installs with regard to what my host provides |
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| 06:49.51 | wols_ | broken how? |
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| 06:51.17 | hyper_ch | wols_: some python got broken when I tried to get a newer version... and that somehow had an effect on all the crypto stuff... the vpn has become 10x slower, copying data between encrypted partitions is crawling..... |
| 06:51.47 | hyper_ch | and for the encryption I used wulf's script but discovered now, that debian has its own way to remote unlock an encrypted rootfs |
| 06:51.54 | wols_ | and how do you want it to differ from what your host provides? |
| 06:51.57 | hyper_ch | so I think it's time to do a fresh install |
| 06:52.15 | hyper_ch | wols_: my host does not deliever installation of encrypted rootfs |
| 06:52.24 | superlinux | wols_, intel driver |
| 06:52.26 | hyper_ch | als I want to specify /boot and swap sizes myself |
| 06:52.33 | superlinux | how can I get the refresh rate? |
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| 06:52.59 | wols_ | superlinux: check Xorg.0.log, xrandr, etc |
| 06:52.59 | pfred1 | had to change computers |
| 06:53.18 | OldParr | wols_: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" gives errors ... http://paste.debian.net/127618/ |
| 06:53.54 | wols_ | !fixgrub |
| 06:53.54 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 06:54.18 | wols_ | OldParr: see the way chroot is used here? with bind mounts? that's the same way you need to do it |
| 06:55.36 | superlinux | brb to test |
| 06:56.00 | superlinux | I am going to test kernel 3.0 |
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| 06:56.27 | pfred1 | I heard 3 was the same as 2.4.39 |
| 06:56.39 | wols_ | pfred1: 2.6.40 |
| 06:56.40 | pfred1 | well almost the same |
| 06:56.56 | pfred1 | oh yeah right .6 not .4 I'm in the wrong decade sorry |
| 06:57.14 | cedr | :P |
| 06:57.36 | pfred1 | hey i just walked up the the top of my driveway in this http://i.imgur.com/qFxrm.jpg |
| 06:57.53 | pfred1 | I'm a bit east of the pin on the map |
| 06:58.55 | pfred1 | so it has been a long day for me |
| 06:59.14 | hyper_ch | btw, where can I find old-stable netinstall isos? |
| 06:59.34 | wols_ | !tell hyper_ch about install lenny |
| 07:00.12 | hyper_ch | thx |
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| 07:00.37 | pfred1 | cat /etc/debian_version = 5.0.8 here |
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| 07:02.26 | superlinux | wols_, now it's OK! i just raised the resolution to the recommended one |
| 07:02.36 | cedr | I'm on 6 personally |
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| 07:02.59 | pfred1 | cedr is Squeeze 6 ? |
| 07:03.13 | cedr | Yup |
| 07:03.16 | pfred1 | doesn't feel like turning around |
| 07:03.29 | pfred1 | then i have two boxes that run that |
| 07:03.29 | cedr | It has more up to date packages |
| 07:03.34 | cedr | needs the newer python |
| 07:03.37 | cedr | (json support) |
| 07:03.51 | pfred1 | yeah one i needed a newer X to get accelerated video |
| 07:04.14 | cedr | ah; I use it on servers only myself |
| 07:04.23 | pfred1 | I actually installed it when Squeeze was still officially unstable |
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| 07:04.43 | cedr | ah, that makes sense :) |
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| 07:04.47 | pfred1 | sometime around last Thanksgiving |
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| 07:05.19 | pfred1 | well in theory it should have worked cept for me it didn't |
| 07:06.07 | pfred1 | everything I read had the hardware supported in lenny just it wouldn't work |
| 07:06.44 | pfred1 | didn't matter I got that ugly KDE 4 anyways when I installed Lenny on that system |
| 07:07.14 | sauvin | KDE 3.5 was what was supported by Lenny (without backports) when I ran it. |
| 07:07.23 | superlinux | which pkg selects me the best mirror? |
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| 07:07.29 | superlinux | which pkg selects me the best debian mirror? |
| 07:07.39 | pfred1 | sauvin I'm in KDE 3.5 on Lenny on this system right now |
| 07:07.53 | superlinux | ok found! |
| 07:08.01 | pfred1 | superlinux I tried that mirror selector it didn't work too hot for me |
| 07:08.17 | superlinux | ok |
| 07:08.21 | wols_ | !geo sources.list |
| 07:08.21 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
| 07:08.46 | pfred1 | close and fast on the net can be two different things |
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| 07:09.27 | pfred1 | really the mirror it selected for me was painfully slow |
| 07:09.29 | cedr | cdn.debian.net is nice, but it died on me once |
| 07:09.36 | cedr | fixed now though :) |
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| 07:09.48 | cedr | it said something about a dead mirror or shutting down; I can't quite recall |
| 07:09.51 | pfred1 | I'm not saying what one i use I don't want it to slow down |
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| 07:10.07 | cedr | you can host your own local copy |
| 07:10.13 | pfred1 | it is a mad line pump though |
| 07:10.42 | pfred1 | I always DL at my max from it |
| 07:11.27 | cedr | Nice |
| 07:11.40 | cedr | I pay for 100mbits but only get 30-40mbits |
| 07:11.47 | cedr | annoying little things.. |
| 07:12.23 | pfred1 | I think I only get 20 mbits apps say something like 1.5 MB/S |
| 07:12.44 | pfred1 | I don't realy know what my ISP bills it as |
| 07:12.52 | pfred1 | it is what it is thats all I know |
| 07:13.03 | cedr | I just find it a bit annoying; mainly because I could just use a smaller package and save money |
| 07:13.29 | pfred1 | where I'm at I count myself as lucky I can get anything better than dial up |
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| 07:14.57 | hyper_ch | wols_: I think I found a way to boot the install routine from an iso on the harddisk |
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| 07:17.37 | pfred1 | hyper_ch debootstrap? |
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| 07:18.25 | hyper_ch | pfred1: nah, extracting the iso to the harddisk (in my case swap partition rendered to back) according to http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/305843-use-lilo-or-grub-to-mount-and-boot-from-iso/page__view__findpost__p__585740612 -- just testing it in a VM now |
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| 07:33.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how do i setup dualhead with Nouveau with each of displays initiating separate X servers? I use nvidia-settings to setup the configuration. Is there an equivalent for nouveau ? |
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| 07:34.27 | SkilZ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:34.28 | SkilZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.28 | SkilZ | E: Broken packages |
| 07:34.33 | SkilZ | How can I install it? |
| 07:34.46 | SkilZ | I want to change my GDM3 theme |
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| 07:38.04 | wols_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you don't do it with nvidia-settings with separate X servers. maybe you should first be clear what you actually want |
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| 07:43.11 | CannedCorn | how do you see if a package is installed and if so, what version |
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| 07:43.24 | wols_ | dpkg -l <package> |
| 07:43.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |
| 07:43.32 | wols_ | dpkg: shaddup |
| 07:43.33 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 07:43.33 | CannedCorn | ok right |
| 07:43.37 | pfred1 | wols_ yeah thats not the way |
| 07:43.39 | cedr | dpkg -l nginx |
| 07:43.39 | dpkg | ii nginx 2.8-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:43.41 | cedr | oh, cool |
| 07:43.52 | cedr | although the description could use some.. uh .. updating |
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| 07:44.14 | wols_ | pfred1: no? |
| 07:44.30 | pfred1 | wols_ I find aptitude search much better |
| 07:44.54 | CannedCorn | the output of this is nuts |
| 07:45.01 | CannedCorn | i can't tell my ass from my elbow here |
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| 07:45.33 | wols_ | pfred1: aptitude search doesn't show if a package is installed. or the versin numbers |
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| 07:45.48 | pfred1 | wols_ it doesn't show if it is installed? |
| 07:46.22 | pfred1 | wols_ funny that was what i always thought the first returned letter was |
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| 07:47.31 | wols_ | pfred1: aptitude takes ages to run here (all that DB reading in). and yes it shows if it's installed but doesn't show any version number |
| 07:48.02 | pfred1 | wols_ it still gives an exact string that can be fed into dpkg but go ahead keep on going on and on |
| 07:48.24 | wols_ | pfred1: so why not run dpkg immediately in the first place... |
| 07:48.37 | pfred1 | wols_ because I don't always know the package name |
| 07:48.53 | pfred1 | wols_ that is why I have these funny contraptions called computers you know |
| 07:49.11 | wols_ | pfred1: please learn what grep is. thank you |
| 07:49.27 | pfred1 | wols_ I knew what grep was when yo uwere still wetting your diapers |
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| 07:49.54 | pfred1 | wols_ but I fail to see what that has to do with anything |
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| 07:50.50 | sauvin | dpkg -l | grep partial_string |
| 07:50.50 | dpkg | ii | grep partial_string 1.4-13.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:51.04 | sauvin | Goddamnit, I didn't mean to trigger the bot. |
| 07:51.21 | pfred1 | you two do seem cut fro mthe same cloth |
| 07:51.42 | pfred1 | even Debian officially reccomends the use of aptitude today |
| 07:52.07 | pfred1 | go read their website it may just prove enlightening |
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| 07:52.56 | sauvin | Synaptic, apt-get and aptitude are just front ends for dpkg. |
| 07:53.23 | wols_ | sauvin: don't waste your time please. he's trying to pick a fight |
| 07:53.27 | pfred1 | so is dselect so what is your point? |
| 07:53.52 | sauvin | I thought dselect predated dpkg. |
| 07:54.19 | sauvin | I don't even have dselect installed. |
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| 07:55.09 | pfred1 | sauvin well consider yourself lucky on that account |
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| 07:55.58 | pfred1 | because back when dselect was king were the days when Debian and I could not peacefuly coexist |
| 07:56.08 | wols_ | !ot |
| 07:56.08 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 07:58.15 | hyper_ch | wols_: hmmm, I managed this so far: extracted the netinstall cd onto a partition, copied the initrd and kernel image from the netinstall cd to /boot, adjusted grub entry so that it then uses the extracted image.... intallation routine starts fine, however it complains now about not having found cd-rom / cd-rom drivers and it won't continue |
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| 07:59.14 | hyper_ch | any idea how I could trick the installer into accepting the files being on the harddisk? |
| 07:59.14 | wols_ | hyper_ch: you do not need to extract anything. grub2 can boot from ISOs directly |
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| 07:59.23 | hyper_ch | wols_: it's grub1 |
| 07:59.33 | hyper_ch | oldstable still uses grub1 |
| 07:59.50 | superlinux | i am now on kernel 3.0 |
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| 08:00.10 | superlinux | it's fast and nice |
| 08:00.12 | sauvin | What differences do you see between it and what Squeeze uses? |
| 08:00.13 | wols_ | hyper_ch: possible for grub1 too afaik. you need to look on google |
| 08:00.23 | wols_ | sauvin: /msg dpkg sns |
| 08:00.33 | hyper_ch | wols_: could grub 2 installed on oldstable? |
| 08:00.50 | pfred1 | sauvin when I installed 2.8.39.4 I got about 33% higher frame rate in Quake than I was getting running the old kernel |
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| 08:00.59 | pfred1 | 2.6.39.4 even |
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| 08:01.27 | sauvin | pfred1, assuming that's true, something else changed. The bulk of framerate problems are in graphics drivers. |
| 08:01.29 | superlinux | I have a 1.6GHz Pentium IV on 256MB RAM. it's working as it's supposed to be |
| 08:01.45 | pfred1 | sauvin urs I attribute it to better gfx drivers |
| 08:01.49 | sauvin | wols_, re your comment to me about sns, roger that. |
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| 08:03.20 | pfred1 | just tried glxgears on that system it is improved as well |
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| 08:06.08 | pfred1 | I still need to run the benchmarking program I have been using see what is going on there if anything |
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| 08:07.20 | pfred1 | but it will have to wait as disaster recovery is higher on my priority list right now |
| 08:07.30 | sauvin | What kind of disaster? |
| 08:07.36 | pfred1 | ah the hurricane? |
| 08:07.51 | sauvin | Oh. I was thinking "hard drive crash" or something. I forgot all about the storm in your area. |
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| 08:07.57 | pfred1 | you know the one about the size of europe that just raked up the whole east coast |
| 08:08.23 | pfred1 | or did that event escape you as well? |
| 08:08.48 | sauvin | Seeing as how I'm a thousand miles away from it, yea, it's not in the forefront of my thoughts. |
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| 08:09.10 | pfred1 | sauvin well I got within about 12 miles of the eye so it is a bit more pressing here |
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| 08:20.20 | jmd | How do I change the timeout of the screen lock? |
| 08:20.57 | jetscreamer | xscreensaver-command iirc |
| 08:21.04 | jetscreamer | if it's installed |
| 08:21.24 | jmd | And if not? |
| 08:21.30 | jetscreamer | otherwise the gnome/kde screensaver setting utility, unless you meant in console |
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| 08:22.44 | jmd | Thanks. |
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| 08:23.59 | jetscreamer | there's probably a text file you could edit but i dunno what it is |
| 08:24.16 | jetscreamer | s/is/would\ be/ |
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| 08:25.45 | jmd | It would be easier if there was, and if it was documented. |
| 08:26.19 | skilz | ust wondering why when I select effects and such in CompizConfig they do nothing/do not work |
| 08:26.34 | jmd | I kindof fear that Debian's becoming more and more like Windoze with every release. |
| 08:26.43 | skilz | like I click wobbly windows or cube desktop and it does not take effect/work |
| 08:26.58 | jmd | I mean who would think of looking for security settings under "screensaver"? |
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| 08:28.35 | AimHere | Well not windows people, for sure. There was a period about 8-10 years ago when screensaver files was the primary vector for malware |
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| 08:30.35 | jetscreamer | it's in the same place in win |
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| 08:30.56 | jetscreamer | and same place in debian since woody i think |
| 08:31.13 | jetscreamer | and maybe before but i wouldn't know |
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| 08:32.32 | jmd | But it's just not in a logical place. |
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| 08:33.09 | skilz | there is a jelly fish that seems to be immortal |
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| 08:33.43 | zykotick9 | skilz, is compiz actually running? alt+f2 "compiz --replace" |
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| 08:34.22 | skilz | ahh |
| 08:34.32 | skilz | zykotick9, Now it is :) |
| 08:34.43 | skilz | is there another way to run it? |
| 08:34.56 | zykotick9 | skilz, fusion-icon is another method |
| 08:35.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | zykotick9: hello mate |
| 08:35.24 | zykotick9 | sh4d3sl4y3r_, hey |
| 08:35.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | still sticking to Debian :D |
| 08:35.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | testing is working just fine. |
| 08:36.03 | jetscreamer | usually does |
| 08:36.06 | jetscreamer | so does sid |
| 08:36.25 | jetscreamer | they have their moments occasionally though |
| 08:36.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jetscreamer: not taking the risks of upgrading to sit atm. but i will use pinning soon |
| 08:37.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *sid |
| 08:38.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | whenever my Xserver with LXDE starts up, my numlock key is off. How to turn it on in xorg.conf ? |
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| 08:38.52 | jetscreamer | seems to me it's documented in xorg.conf but once again, i forget |
| 08:38.55 | jmd | sh4d3sl4y3r_, xset |
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| 08:48.21 | skilz | I have a usb sim card dongle, is there some application I can use to make phone calls with it? |
| 08:48.25 | skilz | using my mic and headphones |
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| 09:01.08 | dudehammer | How do I prompt a login every time the screensaver kicks in and resumes? |
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| 09:03.40 | hek | dudehammer: xscreensaver-demo |
| 09:03.52 | hek | dudehammer: then at the bottom you have locking screen or something like that |
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| 09:04.02 | dudehammer | hek: thank you |
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| 09:04.11 | hek | dudehammer: just check this things and set like 0 min or whatever |
| 09:04.27 | dudehammer | ok thanks |
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| 09:06.42 | hek | you are welcome, dudehammer |
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| 09:09.41 | skilz | I have a usb sim card dongle, is there some application I can use to make phone calls with it? |
| 09:09.44 | skilz | using my mic and headphones |
| 09:10.00 | skilz | I have one to send sms |
| 09:10.40 | skilz | wammu |
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| 09:43.13 | hyper_ch | wols_: hmmm, do you have an example on how to boot up an install iso from grub2? I just fail at doing that right |
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| 09:51.57 | skilz | Anyone have this problem with skype where they can't see their friends webcam? |
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| 10:12.08 | NekawA | yea skilz everyone does :( |
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| 10:13.01 | iceisfun | has anyone setup debian with drbd for a ha san? |
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| 10:14.46 | boudiccas | iceisfun; depends what a 'ha san' is? |
| 10:14.48 | skilz | NekawA, You serious? wtf is up with it? |
| 10:14.56 | skilz | Is there any alternative? |
| 10:15.00 | NekawA | use windows |
| 10:15.04 | skilz | What if I wine skype |
| 10:15.13 | NekawA | it clearly says on skypes website that the webcam doesn't work in the linux version |
| 10:15.24 | hyper_ch | anyone knows how to make a grub2 entry to start the install routine of the netinstall.iso ? |
| 10:15.27 | skilz | Any clients support the skype protocal? |
| 10:15.27 | NekawA | and if u notice the linux version of skype is like 2.xxxx beta |
| 10:15.31 | iceisfun | a san that will allow stuff like iscsi targets to not fail if one node of the san vanishes for example |
| 10:15.35 | NekawA | while win/mac/mobile are like 5.xxxx |
| 10:15.38 | iceisfun | or nfs service to keep rolling |
| 10:16.05 | skilz | NekawA, Yeah why is it so far behind? And whats so hard about making the webcam work? |
| 10:16.10 | th0r | NekawA: now that is interesting. I use skype under debian squeeze and use the webcam both ways all the time |
| 10:16.30 | NekawA | lol i have no idea thats how it was last time i looked it seems to have little to no support |
| 10:16.35 | NekawA | your on that version 2.xxxx beta th0r? |
| 10:16.43 | th0r | NekawA: let me look |
| 10:16.46 | NekawA | thats odd, your lucky it worked, mine went all static like |
| 10:16.54 | skilz | I just downloaded the latest 2.2beta |
| 10:16.56 | NekawA | i'm guessing skilz did the same, as well as everybody in the skype forum |
| 10:17.11 | NekawA | did your vid window popup skilz but it was all static like tv from the 70s |
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| 10:17.19 | th0r | NekawA: 2.2.0.35 |
| 10:17.39 | skilz | NekawA, Nah, when a contact puts cam on it pops up blank white |
| 10:17.46 | skilz | and I can see my cam in the bottom left corner |
| 10:17.59 | NekawA | ahh, mine was static |
| 10:18.14 | skilz | 2.2.0.35 here too |
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| 10:18.53 | skilz | why the hell is the linux version so far behind? |
| 10:19.16 | skilz | maybe 2 people on the linux/skype/dev team lol |
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| 10:19.43 | th0r | especially now that they are owned by the gods |
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| 10:20.16 | skilz | yeah |
| 10:20.28 | skilz | whats the bet they drop linux support |
| 10:20.34 | hyper_ch | apart from the version number, in what is the win version superiro? |
| 10:20.58 | PerfDave | That's what you get for using proprietary software, people :/ |
| 10:21.01 | hyper_ch | would it calm you if the skype devs just would also put v5 for linux? |
| 10:21.44 | AimHere | Well Skype could say 'That's what you get for using linux' |
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| 10:21.56 | hyper_ch | skype is evil anyway |
| 10:22.24 | PerfDave | AimHere: Yes they could, becuase they make proprietary software which denies its users the freedom to improve it. |
| 10:22.40 | dumbo88 | microsoft purchased skype |
| 10:23.07 | th0r | so why not use linphone and just make the call ip to ip |
| 10:23.38 | deltafoss | when was that? |
| 10:23.42 | skilz | AimHere, lol! |
| 10:24.09 | AimHere | th0r, doesn't that involve the other person using some SIP compatible VOIP client, as opposed to skype, which most people you know use instead |
| 10:24.31 | AimHere | Network effect lockin |
| 10:24.32 | skilz | I use skype because most of my contacts/family dont even know what linux is |
| 10:24.41 | skilz | and what an 'ip' is |
| 10:24.55 | th0r | AimHere: right. and it involves knowing how to open ports on your wifi router, how to determine your external ip....etc... |
| 10:25.20 | PerfDave | I've found Ekiga to be pretty easy to use between Windows and GNU/Linux users. |
| 10:25.36 | th0r | so there are alternatives to skype that work well, but it seems no one wants to 'bother'. Which means, skype is important because it allows us to be lazy |
| 10:26.06 | skilz | Who wants to test Ekiga or something out with me? I want to see if its just skype or my cam |
| 10:26.11 | AimHere | Well you have to overcome mass laziness, as opposed to individual laziness. You need some form of social engineering |
| 10:26.33 | th0r | AimHere: or you need some proprietary software like skype <smile> |
| 10:27.07 | PerfDave | Skype is a bit like Flash - it's got enough market penetration that it's very hard for alternatives to make headway. |
| 10:27.11 | skilz | I wonder how successful running skype with wine would be |
| 10:27.16 | AimHere | Well you could probably have a free software system that does what skype does, but even then you still have the problem of convincing people to switch to the new network |
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| 10:27.54 | th0r | AimHere: actually there already are free sip alternatives, but like you said...no user base |
| 10:28.05 | PerfDave | AimHere: Yeah, some social network offering video chat and letting you use an open client (like most let you use a Jabber client for their IM) would be good. |
| 10:28.09 | skilz | AimHere, Skype just needs to provide protocal info so it can be used in other clients |
| 10:28.25 | AimHere | Well yeah, but also skype has a central server that lets you know nothing about your network and still use it and all that stuff |
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| 10:28.58 | AimHere | Reverse engineering the Skype protocol would be a start, at least temporarily |
| 10:29.09 | skilz | true |
| 10:29.20 | skilz | smells a big lawsuit |
| 10:29.49 | k-man | what does this part of the prompt string do? ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot) |
| 10:30.10 | p_quarles | yeah, Skype should totally give away the diminishing number of trump cards it has and just let Ekiga walk all over it; I can see how that would benefit Skype |
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| 10:31.28 | djura-san|busy | p_quarles: even with that, they would loose only small amount of users anyway |
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| 10:31.55 | skilz | p_quarles, Skype would still make money from users buying credit |
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| 10:32.53 | skilz | I use skype to make phoecalls |
| 10:32.56 | skilz | phone |
| 10:33.06 | th0r | skype could give all the protocol info away and not change a thing. It is their network, servers, gateways, etc you need. the software just allows you access to that |
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| 10:34.36 | th0r | if you wanted to, you could right now set up a complete foss alternative to skype. Ekiga/linphone and asterisk. But you still wouldn't have an equivalent network |
| 10:34.48 | hyper_ch | anyone knows how to make a grub2 entry to start the install routine of the netinstall.iso ? |
| 10:34.57 | djura-san|busy | Since you are speaking about Skype, i cant wait to get an option to actually delete account for real. MS should implement that :) |
| 10:35.12 | p_quarles | they have yet to make money; MS were thought bold to buy them out for as much money as they did, I recall; certainly a valuable property, but they continue to lose money |
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| 10:36.18 | majestik | hey guys a lil help please |
| 10:36.51 | Bushmills | hyper_ch: schau mal nach paket grub-imageboot |
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| 10:37.04 | hyper_ch | hi Bushmills |
| 10:37.08 | majestik | is the contrib and non-free repo's working correctly |
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| 10:37.19 | Bushmills | 'morning hyper_ch |
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| 10:45.05 | Bushmills | hyper_ch: that's grub2 specific anyway - oldstable still provides grub v1, i think |
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| 10:45.20 | hyper_ch | Bushmills: you can install grub2 in oldstable |
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| 10:45.50 | hyper_ch | Bushmills: I'm trying to find a way either grub1 or grub2.... I was able to make the install routine start with grub1 but then the installer demanded access to a cd-rom |
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| 10:47.15 | Bushmills | hyper_ch: what i've done before grub-imageboot was usually to write iso to a spare small partition, extract the kernel and initrd from it, place those in the boot dir, and boot those |
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| 10:48.05 | hyper_ch | Bushmills: that works.... BUT the netinstaller wants to find a removable media for the packages... and that's where I fail |
| 10:50.20 | Bushmills | hyper_ch: wouldn't debootstrap be an alternative? |
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| 10:51.42 | hyper_ch | Bushmills: debootstap... possibly... but very complicated for a fully encrypted install |
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| 10:53.46 | Bushmills | haven't tried but sounds like you could map and mount a luks drive to which you debootstrap an installation, then chroot to it and re-create the initrd for luks drive mapping |
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| 10:55.09 | Bushmills | after installing kernel image, of course |
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| 10:55.31 | hyper_ch | Bushmills: right now I'm pondering of creating link from the .iso to /dev/sr0 |
| 10:55.40 | hyper_ch | so the installer thinks there is a removable media |
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| 10:56.03 | hyper_ch | during the installer I started now the ash shell and I wonder how to access the iso that resides on /dev/sda2 |
| 10:56.09 | hyper_ch | it doesn't let me mount it |
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| 10:57.55 | hyper_ch | when I try to mount it: mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/iso I get an error: mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/iso failed: invalid argument |
| 10:59.42 | Bushmills | "wonder how to access the iso that resides on /dev/sda2"... "when I try to mount it: mount /dev/sda1..." |
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| 11:09.37 | LuckyStar | hi thre |
| 11:09.51 | LuckyStar | i have a problem, |
| 11:09.56 | nevyn | Bushmills: is it an iso file... |
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| 11:11.01 | LuckyStar | mount -t vboxsf GPS /mnt/data tells me unknown filesystem type, what should I do |
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| 11:11.54 | th0r | LuckyStar: did you install the guest additions? |
| 11:12.08 | LuckyStar | th0r, yep |
| 11:12.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how to i set it up for nouveau? |
| 11:12.18 | LuckyStar | well, the host is ntfs |
| 11:12.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | here is my xorg.conf as generated by nvidia-xconfig. http://pastie.org/2442820 |
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| 11:13.09 | th0r | LuckyStar: and you defined the shared folder in the host? |
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| 11:13.33 | LuckyStar | th0r, i think yes |
| 11:14.06 | th0r | LuckyStar: the command line seems correct, assuming that the mount point and the share (GPS) exist |
| 11:14.33 | LuckyStar | and to your question, they are |
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| 11:15.10 | LuckyStar | see it's saying, unknown FS type |
| 11:15.46 | LuckyStar | and the host is NTFS, that seems to be the problem |
| 11:16.15 | th0r | LuckyStar: right, which is why I asked about the guest additions. vboxsf is the correct filetype. I have run on ntfs hosts before without problems |
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| 11:16.59 | zwall | mount.vboxsf GPS /mnt/data |
| 11:17.04 | LuckyStar | is that ehh, ntfs-3g is not in process? |
| 11:17.49 | LuckyStar | zwall, yes? |
| 11:18.21 | LuckyStar | i just carefully followed the user guide, and i got to this |
| 11:18.32 | th0r | LuckyStar: I think virtualbox handles all that. Here is a link that covers it step-by-step http://my-wd-local.wikidot.com/otherapp:configure-virtualbox-shared-folders-in-a-windows-ho |
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| 11:18.59 | th0r | LuckyStar: double check all the steps, I suspect one of them failed and you didn't catch it |
| 11:19.10 | zwall | yes, use that |
| 11:19.19 | zophy | failure is an option |
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| 11:19.27 | th0r | LuckyStar: make sure you can do full screen in the guest...an easy way to check the guest additions |
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| 11:20.09 | LuckyStar | full screen, why's that |
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| 11:20.48 | th0r | LuckyStar: there are two things that guest additions installs that are easily apparent. You will be able to do full screen, and the guest won't 'capture' the mouse cursor |
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| 11:20.53 | LuckyStar | zophy, success is the other one, heh |
| 11:21.08 | th0r | LuckyStar: just a check to make sure the guest additions installed correctly |
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| 11:21.39 | LuckyStar | ok, repeat that |
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| 11:29.28 | jason404 | I am using squeeze |
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| 11:30.02 | jason404 | can I directly download this wheezy package and install it? |
| 11:30.03 | jason404 | http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/tmux |
| 11:30.30 | aguitel | i am using choqok (twitter client from kde),but this client is not sending private message, it say "this method requires authentication" why ? |
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| 11:32.27 | sauvin | Private message to where? |
| 11:33.17 | aguitel | sauvin, to user |
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| 11:33.30 | sauvin | Over what protocol? |
| 11:33.37 | aguitel | twitter |
| 11:33.49 | sauvin | Grr. Sorry, I never tweet :\ |
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| 11:35.04 | gnarface | anyone using ahci + pata_marvell for a sata+pata simultaneously and getting stability problems |
| 11:35.04 | Arafangion | sauvin: You should know what twitter is, at least! |
| 11:35.44 | babilen | !tell jason404 about bdo |
| 11:35.47 | sauvin | When he said "private message", I spaced "twitter" and thought he was using some weird-ass client to try to send private messages to people on IRC. My fault. |
| 11:35.54 | babilen | jason404: Just install it from backports |
| 11:36.30 | Arafangion | Happens to the best of us. |
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| 11:37.03 | babilen | jason404: Just to make this clear: You should not mix releases, but you can use backports or backport packages yourself. (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 11:37.48 | skilz | Does anyone know how to check the connection signal strength of a usb mobile dongle connected with pppd |
| 11:38.12 | skilz | I want to know how strong the signal is for the 3G network connection |
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| 11:39.54 | Arafangion | skilz: An interesting question. |
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| 11:42.46 | skilz | ® |
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| 11:44.09 | dysoco | I'm trying to install Debian 6 netIsntall in my Laptop |
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| 11:44.24 | dysoco | but it ask me for "iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode" and "iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode" |
| 11:44.37 | dysoco | where do I download them ? |
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| 11:48.48 | jason404 | has babilen gone? |
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| 11:57.19 | Username_Anonymo | hello, i am having some trouble with grub, please help! |
| 11:57.30 | jmd | Username_Anonymo, Try #grub |
| 11:57.42 | Username_Anonymo | i am unable to boot a dvd from start. |
| 11:58.03 | Username_Anonymo | well, i am not 100% sure it's a grub, it's my guess. |
| 11:58.23 | Username_Anonymo | since i installed debian, i cannot boot up dvds. |
| 11:58.42 | Username_Anonymo | like, to load gparted dvd and others |
| 11:58.56 | jmd | Sounds unlikely to be a Debian or a grub problem. |
| 11:59.08 | jmd | What are the symptoms? |
| 11:59.11 | Username_Anonymo | but it never happened before debian, and the dvd works. |
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| 11:59.25 | Username_Anonymo | i put the dvd on the plate, reboot but it wont start |
| 11:59.36 | jmd | What happens? |
| 12:00.01 | Username_Anonymo | i wanted to format the pc but it wouldnt load. the debian grub screen appears, that's what happens. |
| 12:00.10 | Username_Anonymo | it loads into debian. |
| 12:00.18 | cromag | bios setting ? |
| 12:00.31 | Username_Anonymo | ah yes, mighyt be that |
| 12:00.49 | Username_Anonymo | although, i didn't change it myself, but maybe someone else here did |
| 12:00.55 | Username_Anonymo | i will check again |
| 12:01.01 | Username_Anonymo | thank you so much. |
| 12:01.11 | jmd | There's a grub command to boot a CD, but I can't remember what it is. |
| 12:01.23 | Username_Anonymo | oh |
| 12:01.28 | Username_Anonymo | that is immensily helpful |
| 12:01.35 | Username_Anonymo | i will google that right now |
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| 12:01.52 | jason404 | how do I get the current time from the command line? |
| 12:01.58 | cromag | date |
| 12:01.58 | jmd | date |
| 12:02.02 | jason404 | thanks |
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| 12:03.04 | deltafoss | what could be the cause of this: mplayer: relocation error: mplayer: symbol codec_wav_tags, version LIBAVFORMAT_52 not defined in file libavformat.so.52 with link time reference |
| 12:03.13 | jason404 | no, I don't have it here. the I have a user in a minimal chroot jail, but the time is not taking into account the timezone. I am on GMT +DST but it is not taking the daylight saving into account |
| 12:04.05 | jason404 | I have set TZ=Europe/London as a envar in .profile |
| 12:04.11 | jason404 | but that does not seem to work |
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| 12:05.58 | jmd | jason404, What are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:06.11 | jason404 | set the right time for the user |
| 12:06.25 | jason404 | it runs my IRC bnc |
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| 12:06.26 | jmd | What exactly do you mean by the "right" time? |
| 12:06.36 | jason404 | the correct time |
| 12:06.40 | jason404 | for London |
| 12:06.44 | jmd | Ahh. |
| 12:06.45 | jason404 | during the summer |
| 12:06.53 | jmd | For all users or just one? |
| 12:07.26 | jason404 | I know how to do it for all users, and that is fine, but this chrrot jail user is wrong, as it is running in the jail |
| 12:08.43 | jason404 | it's using the system time instead of the local time |
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| 12:09.32 | jmd | For me, TZ=GMT+1 date seems to work. |
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| 12:10.06 | jason404 | jmd: I have already set TZ=Europe/London |
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| 12:10.16 | jason404 | but I will try that instead |
| 12:10.34 | jason404 | but the thing is, that it is not always GMT+1 here anyway |
| 12:10.39 | jason404 | only in the summer |
| 12:10.48 | jason404 | rest of the year it is just GMT |
| 12:11.02 | jason404 | G in GMT stands for Greenwich, which is in London |
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| 12:11.15 | jason404 | well, just outisde |
| 12:11.23 | skilz | Does anyone know how to check the connection signal strength of a usb mobile dongle connected with pppd |
| 12:11.25 | skilz | I want to know how strong the signal is for the 3G network connection |
| 12:11.42 | jmd | jason404, Your problem is, that the tzdata is in the real root. So you would have to copy it into your pretent root for that to work, I think. |
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| 12:12.06 | jmd | Yeah, I thought Greenwich was in Kent. |
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| 12:12.12 | jason404 | jmd: ic |
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| 12:12.39 | especially-corn | hello |
| 12:12.39 | jmd | But now that the world is ruled by the French, we have to call it UTC |
| 12:12.47 | jason404 | jmd: it might be, but it is only a 10 minute boat ride from the tower of london |
| 12:13.24 | especially-corn | does anyone know what would be the non-gnome equivallent of /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 & |
| 12:13.41 | especially-corn | if i purge gdm3 |
| 12:13.43 | jmd | jason404, It's a long time since I did that trip, but I'm sure it was more like 45 mins. |
| 12:13.48 | especially-corn | that thing doesnt work anymore |
| 12:14.03 | jmd | 10mins in a speedboat perhaps. |
| 12:14.15 | jason404 | I did it a couple of summers ago. yeah, it was longer than 10 mins, but no way that long, from my memory |
| 12:14.32 | jmd | Boats were slower in my day. |
| 12:14.41 | jason404 | heh |
| 12:16.07 | hyper_ch | Bushmills: still here? |
| 12:16.16 | jason404 | jmd: are the required files the same on debian as fedora for this? http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Fedora-Timezone-issue-running-named-chroot-jail-ftopict364263.html |
| 12:16.46 | jmd | jason404, I'm afraid I don't know. |
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| 12:17.11 | jason404 | no, that file does not exist on debian. just checked |
| 12:18.31 | skilz | Wheres the best place to ask about PPPD? |
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| 12:18.47 | skilz | and 3G networks? |
| 12:18.59 | jason404 | ##networking |
| 12:19.04 | jason404 | probably |
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| 12:34.37 | jason404 | jmd: it turned out to be very simple |
| 12:34.47 | jason404 | just copy /etc/timezone over |
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| 12:45.34 | zophy | earth is the rock and roll planet of the universe |
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| 12:46.34 | mosno | zophy, you don't know that for sure :P |
| 12:46.46 | mosno | zophy -> #debian-offtopic |
| 12:48.34 | razvand | Hi! Is there a way I can set the LC_COLLATE variable for GNOME, without setting it as system-wide (such as editing /etc/profile)? I've looked here (http://wiki.debian.org/Locale) but found nothing of use. |
| 12:48.38 | nsadmin | because it's made of rock and it rolls? |
| 12:49.22 | Jarvis | ~/.profile ? |
| 12:49.30 | trnzmeta | nite all |
| 12:49.49 | nsadmin | or ~/,bash_profile |
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| 12:50.14 | zophy | i once electrified chicago for eight days with my ~/.profile |
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| 12:50.46 | zophy | openbsd, it rocks |
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| 12:50.55 | nsadmin | starts to doubt zophy would pass turing test |
| 12:51.23 | razvand | Jarvis, nsadmin, are ~/.profile and/or ~/.bash_profile read by gdm? |
| 12:51.44 | nsadmin | no. why would they need to be? |
| 12:51.45 | Jarvis | no |
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| 12:52.10 | zophy | the login shell reads them |
| 12:52.12 | zophy | or not |
| 12:52.18 | razvand | I may be out of my league then |
| 12:52.49 | nsadmin | what process do you actually want to have those vars (or that var, forgot) set in? |
| 12:52.49 | razvand | how would a gui-app use an environment variable that is load by a shell? |
| 12:52.51 | razvand | evolution |
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| 12:53.14 | nsadmin | why is it important for evolution to have that var set? |
| 12:53.29 | razvand | I want to see Drafts and Sent as top folders |
| 12:53.32 | nsadmin | maaaan, my kde is crawling |
| 12:53.35 | zophy | looks like a shell environment variable |
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| 12:53.55 | nsadmin | me too, but any process can have env vars |
| 12:54.31 | zophy | set it in .bash_profile and restart X |
| 12:54.32 | razvand | of course, but I would probably want that same listing for other GUI apps |
| 12:54.35 | nsadmin | and evolution does this when you set that variable? |
| 12:54.38 | razvand | not just evolution |
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| 12:55.02 | nsadmin | let |
| 12:55.56 | razvand | (out of curiosity) zophy, how would such a variable be loaded into a gui-app from ~/.bash_profile? How does X read .bash_profile? Is there some sort of xsession script that does that? |
| 12:55.56 | nsadmin | s stay with evolution for now. I want for you that you have what you want... and, you need to find out and verify that evolution does this with that var |
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| 12:57.01 | nsadmin | (just so you know... env vars can be attached to any process... and any of those processes can choose to try reading them) |
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| 12:57.06 | zophy | razvand, many applications use the user environment variables |
| 12:57.13 | razvand | nsadmin, I know that |
| 12:57.36 | razvand | zophy, of course, I would like to know how ~/.bash_profile gets loaded through X |
| 12:57.53 | razvand | I know it's read by bash, I just don't know how X gets to read it. |
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| 12:58.15 | nsadmin | once you're sure that evolution does read that env var, find the place in your DE where evolution is launched |
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| 12:58.32 | nsadmin | it might be a shell script or command line thingy |
| 12:58.37 | razvand | nsadmin, setting LC_COLLATE="C" in the current shell and then running evolution from the current shell results in the desired listing |
| 12:58.54 | zophy | when the user starts X the login shell reads the .bash_profile, thats' all |
| 12:58.56 | razvand | Archives, Junk, Drafts, Sent, then all non-capital folders |
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| 12:59.11 | nsadmin | razvand, and that's what we're looking for! |
| 12:59.32 | nsadmin | now, can you find where evolution is invoked when you log onto your de |
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| 12:59.51 | razvand | ALT+F2 -> evolution (???) |
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| 13:00.02 | razvand | zophy, does X start a login shell? |
| 13:01.02 | nsadmin | one way you could do this (not really recommended) is, find the dir where evolution is, copy it to the same dir under a different name, make a shell script that invokes it with the proper var setting |
| 13:01.19 | nsadmin | kludgy. unrecommended. still worth a try |
| 13:01.24 | razvand | nsadmin, that's pretty weird |
| 13:01.38 | razvand | nsadmin, I have the /etc/profile solution at hand |
| 13:01.54 | razvand | I'm looking for one that would be "less-global" but still be available for all gui apps |
| 13:02.05 | nsadmin | the thing is I don't think gnome reads that file |
| 13:02.26 | razvand | nsadmin, that file is read before gnome starts |
| 13:02.38 | nsadmin | by what tho? |
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| 13:02.45 | razvand | gnome is started in an environment already configured properly |
| 13:02.54 | nsadmin | well it's a shell script so obviously by a shell |
| 13:03.15 | nsadmin | what happens if you define the var in that env? |
| 13:03.29 | razvand | it works |
| 13:03.35 | razvand | that's what happens |
| 13:03.45 | razvand | I wouldn't have asked if it happened otherwise |
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| 13:04.20 | nsadmin | I'm missing a detail about what you want |
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| 13:05.15 | nsadmin | you say you want this less global... so if you could be specific about where you do and do not want the var defined (and maybe something more about why) that would probably help |
| 13:05.28 | razvand | I've asked that already |
| 13:05.34 | razvand | GNOME, GUI apps |
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| 13:06.12 | nsadmin | so if I'm not mistaken, you have already found the env to put the var definition in |
| 13:06.36 | razvand | it's LC_COLLATE="C", as I've already mentioned |
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| 13:07.24 | nsadmin | out of curiousity, that var influences sort orders? |
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| 13:08.48 | razvand | yes, please read this wiki page (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml) |
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| 13:09.20 | nsadmin | and back to helpful info: you've just said where you -do- want the var defined... where do you -not- want it defined? |
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| 13:11.03 | nsadmin | nonresponsive. it's too late for me to wait; probably someone will be along shortly] |
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| 13:14.19 | SkilZ | Anyone know how to show pppd connection signal strength when using usb 3G mobile sim dongle? |
| 13:15.37 | jetscreamer | does that mean you found some software to make a phone call with? if so, what did you find |
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| 13:16.50 | primeras | Hi. My english isnt very well. I haved one mini web server. |
| 13:17.06 | primeras | I want to outsiders not see folders. but pictures and see what |
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| 13:17.30 | primeras | how do I set chmod |
| 13:17.45 | primeras | I want to outsiders not see folders. but pictures and see what |
| 13:17.53 | primeras | sorry duplicate |
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| 13:19.18 | PerfDave | primeras: What web server software are you using? |
| 13:19.23 | jetscreamer | htaccess maybe? i dunno |
| 13:20.23 | primeras | PerfDave, Apache and PHP |
| 13:20.34 | PerfDave | primeras: Try asking #apache ? |
| 13:20.48 | primeras | okay |
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| 13:21.10 | jetscreamer | !htaccess |
| 13:21.10 | dpkg | From the Apache HTTPD Tutorial on .htaccess files (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/htaccess.html): "You should avoid using .htaccess files completely if you have access to httpd main server config file. Using .htaccess files slows down your Apache server." |
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| 13:27.18 | Pymous | Hello ! I'm trying to do a 'for in do;' but my files name have space in it, so when I do this: |
| 13:27.19 | Pymous | for file in $(ls -l *.rar | awk '{print $NF}'); do echo "$file"; done |
| 13:27.23 | Pymous | Instead of having: |
| 13:27.27 | Pymous | My file.rar |
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| 13:27.37 | Pymous | I have file.rar |
| 13:28.12 | pfred1 | Pymous try this '$file' |
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| 13:29.34 | Pymous | pfred1 > It's echoing (wut ?) => $file |
| 13:29.35 | Pymous | ^^ |
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| 13:31.47 | pfred1 | Pymous I'm looking at a script I wrote and in my $file part I don't have it quoted at all and I never remember it giving me problems with file names with spaces |
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| 13:32.08 | pfred1 | Pymous I think the shell is smart enough to escape them naturally |
| 13:32.32 | Pymous | So mine is probably just dumb |
| 13:32.34 | Pymous | \o/ |
| 13:32.54 | pfred1 | Pymous you tried it without quoting the $file ? |
| 13:33.29 | PerfDave | primeras: No stop now |
| 13:33.33 | PerfDave | Pymous even |
| 13:33.35 | Pymous | Yep, same result, file.rar |
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| 13:33.43 | Pymous | primeras > Stop what ? |
| 13:33.50 | pfred1 | Pymous oh and for file in all you have to do is do *.rar you don't need to do the ls nonsense |
| 13:33.50 | PerfDave | Pymous: *never* try to parse the output of ls, for starters :) |
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| 13:34.01 | primeras | stop? |
| 13:34.08 | PerfDave | primeras: Mistab sorry |
| 13:34.30 | PerfDave | for file in *.rar; do echo "$file"; done |
| 13:34.44 | pfred1 | Pymous just do this for file in *.rar |
| 13:34.51 | PerfDave | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ - read and absorb |
| 13:34.57 | Pymous | Yep, it's work, thanks |
| 13:35.10 | pfred1 | bit early in the morning for me |
| 13:35.25 | PerfDave | Pymous: If you are trying to parse the output of ls, you're doing it wrong ;) |
| 13:35.37 | pfred1 | PerfDave yes I think they have it covered now |
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| 13:38.50 | jetscreamer | #bash |
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| 13:40.26 | jetscreamer | finally gonna install amd64 wheee first time ever |
| 13:40.43 | aypea[2] | hey. how do i stop debian loading a framebuffer? it's not working right and destroying my display. |
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| 13:40.52 | nvz | ok how do I stop X from turning numlock on? It renders my damn netbook unusable cause my function key rarely ever works and I can't type when numlock is on, and can't shut it off |
| 13:40.53 | jetscreamer | vga=normal |
| 13:40.57 | aypea[2] | ta |
| 13:41.13 | SkilZ | aypea[2], How did you get it working in the firstplace? |
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| 13:41.42 | nvz | I knew I was gonna regret upgrading to squeeze... ugh.. |
| 13:41.44 | aypea[2] | wheezy regression. system works ok in squeeze |
| 13:42.08 | jetscreamer | xset i hear tell, nvz |
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| 13:43.07 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=numlock+xorg&restrict=linux |
| 13:43.08 | aypea[2] | damn. vga=normal did not help |
| 13:43.11 | aypea[2] | sighs. |
| 13:43.12 | nvz | jetscreamer: you don't know of another way? cause anything xset does is temporary which means I then have to figure out how the hell to get that to run before GDM so I can login.. and it should NOT be doing this in the first place. |
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| 13:43.24 | aypea[2] | why can't things be left simple by default :/ |
| 13:43.35 | pfred1 | aypea isn't the framebuffer a kernel module? |
| 13:44.00 | jetscreamer | ok there's another one, aypea[2] ... yeh blacklist the module |
| 13:44.00 | aypea[2] | yeah. was hoping for something less drastic than deleting them |
| 13:44.10 | pfred1 | just blacklist it |
| 13:44.10 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 13:44.10 | dpkg | In lenny and later, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 13:44.17 | aypea[2] | not sure which one it is :) let me see if the bootlog tells me |
| 13:44.24 | pfred1 | lsmod |
| 13:44.40 | nvz | for all I know it may only do this with an external keyboard plugged in.. cause I woulda been pissed about it yesterday if it was doing it all the time |
| 13:44.43 | pfred1 | then if you see a likely suspect /sbin/modinfo it |
| 13:44.52 | aypea[2] | hard to use lsmod when you cannot see anything other than a corrupt screen |
| 13:45.01 | nvz | i just threw my keyboard into the street cause it was being retarded.. heh |
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| 13:45.07 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 13:45.38 | nvz | my other major issue is still no tap to click since lenny->squeeze |
| 13:46.16 | jetscreamer | is your bios set to numlock off? just a thought |
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| 13:47.39 | pfred1 | aypea is it bad in recovery? |
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| 13:48.28 | jetscreamer | kde seems to have a numlock setting ... 'they' say Menu -> System Settings -> Hardware -> Input devices -> Keyboard -> NumLock on KDE startup -> Turn on , or so |
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| 13:49.38 | aypea[2] | pfred1: happens before it decides on single user mode |
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| 13:49.51 | pfred1 | aypea at the grub menu? |
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| 13:50.01 | nvz | I dont think my bios sets anything other than the time |
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| 13:50.15 | cusco | hi |
| 13:50.21 | nvz | and thats not an issue, cause I'm pretty sure now that I tought about it that it only happens when I have a keyboard plugged in |
| 13:50.41 | pfred1 | aypea I just checked and the fb is a module but either I'm not loading it or I just don't know what its name is |
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| 13:50.56 | reber | hi all. I can't get bluetooth work properly with a phone. I can send files but i can't browse files of the phone. Any ideas ? |
| 13:51.12 | nvz | the tap to click on the other hand, I read the damn wiki page for aspire one, made an xorg config, gsynaptic shows tap to click enabled.. blah.. I guess I gotta go file a bug. |
| 13:51.17 | pfred1 | aypea and i never built a kernel on this machine so I can't check the source tree for any more info sorry |
| 13:51.23 | aypea[2] | pfred1: no, after grub :) just before it prompts for the root password for single user mode. |
| 13:51.27 | aypea[2] | no worries. |
| 13:51.37 | pfred1 | aypea grub should give you 2 kernels to boot |
| 13:51.43 | aypea[2] | yes |
| 13:51.49 | pfred1 | your regular one and a recovery one |
| 13:51.59 | aypea[2] | wishes he could just have a nice regular console by default. sigh. |
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| 13:52.28 | SkilZ | Is splashy good to use? |
| 13:52.40 | pfred1 | well if the regular one is good then lsmod >goodmods.txt then blind boot the bad one and badmods.txt redirect it then diff the two files |
| 13:52.44 | nvz | aypea[2]: try passing a "normal" vga option or a nofb option, or compile a kernel without FB support |
| 13:52.50 | jetscreamer | i got splashy to work once |
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| 13:52.58 | aypea[2] | last thing I see is drm getting into gear. nofb. will try. already tried vga=normal |
| 13:53.13 | jetscreamer | drm that's it |
| 13:53.22 | pfred1 | nvz yeah I have the opposite problem on one of my machines i built a kernel and left the fb out |
| 13:53.27 | nvz | SkilZ: there is another one called plymouth in squeeze which is fairly straight forward |
| 13:53.47 | nvz | pfred1: I've never liked FB.. its just annoying |
| 13:53.55 | pfred1 | nvz so it looks now like maybe the third bild will be a charm? |
| 13:54.10 | pfred1 | nvz I like whne the text minituarizes on boot |
| 13:54.11 | aypea[2] | nofb did not help |
| 13:54.17 | aypea[2] | wtf is triggering it. grr. |
| 13:54.21 | nvz | pfred1: perhaps.. last kernel I built was 3.0 and it doesnt boot.. surprise.. heh |
| 13:54.22 | SkilZ | nvz, Yeah im using plymouth now but theres no good themes, mostly all Ubuntu, Im trying to find a nice Tux Debian Plymouth theme if you know of any! |
| 13:54.43 | pfred1 | nvz someone here told me 3.0 is 2.6.40 |
| 13:54.51 | nvz | SkilZ: no I don't know of any |
| 13:54.58 | pfred1 | nvz and I got 2.6.39.4 to run |
| 13:55.26 | jetscreamer | there are a couple other bootsplash programs, i think usplash is one |
| 13:55.39 | SkilZ | even just a picture of tux |
| 13:55.54 | nvz | pfred1: idk... I just seen something new figured I'd give it a go.. |
| 13:55.58 | SkilZ | im guessing plymouth was made for ubuntu? |
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| 13:56.47 | nvz | I never seen "ubuntu" themes in plymouth.. when I used it, it had fairly distro neutral themes |
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| 13:58.06 | jetscreamer | splasy and ply-mouth is all dpkg talks about |
| 13:58.19 | jetscreamer | err splashy |
| 13:58.30 | aypea[2] | hopefully blacklisting drm shortcircuits things |
| 13:58.44 | nvz | ugh.. this no tap to click is so aggrivating... this netbook shouldn't have even had buttons. cause their location is not suited for humans with only two hands |
| 13:58.44 | pfred1 | aypea X uses drm I thnk |
| 13:58.52 | aypea[2] | nope. |
| 13:59.15 | aypea[2] | knew he should've kept the squeeze kernel. sigh. |
| 13:59.38 | jetscreamer | nvz use external mouse :) |
| 13:59.40 | aypea[2] | pfred: tthey're unifying things afaik |
| 14:00.03 | pfred1 | aypea well unification hasn't quite happened here yet |
| 14:00.20 | nvz | jetscreamer: I was going to.. and use my tv this morning.. but the damn wireless keyboard crapped out and I threw it in the garbage.. and now that I gotta keep this damn netbook on my lap to use the keyboard having to reach over to use a mouse is more trouble |
| 14:00.22 | aypea[2] | i think the fb driver uses ksm which uses drm |
| 14:00.44 | nvz | jetscreamer: so instead of having a relaxing morning dealing with other peoples problems, I am stuck here dealing with my own.. heh |
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| 14:00.57 | deltafoss | please, how can i apt-get remove packages from a squashed(read-only) filesystem |
| 14:00.57 | pfred1 | and one machine i have here does drm but I have no fb on it too |
| 14:01.44 | aypea[2] | is just going to trebuchet the modules |
| 14:01.53 | aypea[2] | brutal but should be effective |
| 14:02.03 | aypea[2] | then at least i'll have a proper env in which to fix things |
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| 14:02.14 | nvz | deltafoss: uh, you can't remove anything from a read only filesystem.. thats why its called read-only |
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| 14:02.45 | pfred1 | nvz and I always thought it was because you couldn't write to it |
| 14:02.46 | jetscreamer | just rename not del |
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| 14:03.00 | deltafoss | nvz: the filesystem is large and i want to reduce it |
| 14:03.07 | deltafoss | any workaround? |
| 14:03.25 | nvz | deltafoss: since I have no idea what you're talking about, none that I'm aware of |
| 14:03.32 | jetscreamer | mount it rw? |
| 14:03.42 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:03.47 | deltafoss | modifying OSO kindof |
| 14:03.49 | deltafoss | ISO |
| 14:03.52 | pfred1 | deltafoss how about this? http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:04.01 | jetscreamer | oh squash |
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| 14:04.16 | deltafoss | you cant mount it rw |
| 14:04.25 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 14:04.27 | Bombo | what was the command for building a .deb from a source tar.gz package? it was deb-make or deb_make a while ago |
| 14:04.29 | nvz | ugh.. now my damn LCD is about to die.. |
| 14:04.33 | pfred1 | deltafoss I thought you said it was read only |
| 14:04.52 | nvz | probably came loose from me beating on the Fn key with a ball-peen hammer trying to turn numlock off.. heh |
| 14:05.11 | nvz | needs a new computer badly |
| 14:05.13 | aypea[2] | ok. nothing in the video module dir was it. wtf?! |
| 14:05.14 | deltafoss | i was able to chroot to yeah |
| 14:05.43 | nvz | aypea[2]: if nofb doesnt work then chances are you have the fb compiled in.. and are not using a debian kernel |
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| 14:06.03 | aypea[2] | no chance that i am not using a debian kernel. |
| 14:06.14 | aypea[2] | fresh install, as minimal as can be |
| 14:06.17 | pfred1 | nvz yeah i looked at my config here and it is a canned debian kernel and it is =m |
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| 14:06.30 | aypea[2] | (well, no chance unless the debian repo has been hacked) |
| 14:08.20 | pfred1 | I do have to say not having fb makes it easier for me to see the boot messages |
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| 14:08.56 | nvz | aypea[2]: is this an nvidia card? |
| 14:09.03 | aypea[2] | ati |
| 14:09.43 | aypea[2] | idit. gpu dir not video :) time to remove another dir. it's loading the radeon driver |
| 14:09.47 | pfred1 | I tried to use an ati card once boy I had problems with it |
| 14:09.54 | aypea[2] | hugs ssh |
| 14:09.55 | jetscreamer | ati has it's own radeon fb module iirc |
| 14:10.01 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 14:10.02 | Bombo | how do i generate a DEBIAN dir to be able to use dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 14:10.17 | jetscreamer | or the kernel does rather |
| 14:10.20 | aypea[2] | pfred1: no choice. eee 1015b. amd brazo cpu and ati gfx :) |
| 14:10.25 | pfred1 | Bombo mkdir ? |
| 14:10.46 | Bombo | pfred1: and debian/rules ? |
| 14:10.55 | Bombo | pfred1: and every other file that is needed? |
| 14:11.08 | Bombo | it used to be debmake in woody i think |
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| 14:11.49 | nvz | aypea[2]: you can try disabling KMS with nomodeset |
| 14:11.55 | nvz | aypea[2]: ..as a kernel param |
| 14:12.07 | Bombo | i cant find debmake in squeeze now |
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| 14:12.19 | nvz | aypea[2]: nomodeset nofb vga=normal is probably redundant but.. w/e .. heh |
| 14:12.35 | aypea[2] | too late. move the gpu dir out of the way. no modules to load so it boots. I'll note that for when I next wake up and wish to be frustrated :) |
| 14:12.36 | pfred1 | Bombo dpkg-buildpackage doesn't just do those things for you? |
| 14:13.14 | Bombo | pfred1: nope, it needs a debian dir first |
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| 14:13.20 | pfred1 | Bombo try dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc |
| 14:13.26 | SkilZ | Anyone know how to show pppd connection signal strength when using usb 3G mobile sim dongle? |
| 14:13.41 | Stoopit | if i install debian with gnome2, will i be able to change,m and save the colors of my theme? |
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| 14:13.51 | aypea[2] | thanks all for the help, btw. much appreciated. :) |
| 14:13.56 | Bombo | pfred1: tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory |
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| 14:14.09 | aypea[2] | copies and pastes the kernel boot line for later |
| 14:14.11 | Stoopit | would be cool if someone could confirm this so i don't have to waste my timeon the installation if it will not work |
| 14:14.11 | SkilZ | Stoopit, yes |
| 14:14.18 | Stoopit | might seem a silly question but i'm serious |
| 14:14.22 | Stoopit | SkilZ, thanks |
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| 14:14.50 | joltcan | SkilZ: pppd is the data tunnel, so I guess you are looking for ppp0 interface strenght. But I have no experience of 3G in linux, so I don't know how to do that |
| 14:15.17 | SkilZ | joltcan, Yeah, I don't know where to start |
| 14:15.23 | Bombo | http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package2.html this says Now lets run deb-make. Pick single for this package. |
| 14:15.37 | joltcan | SkilZ: http://superuser.com/questions/210243/how-can-i-see-the-signal-strength-and-type-of-connection-2g-3g-using-a-usb-mode ? |
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| 14:17.55 | Stoopit | ffs |
| 14:18.14 | Stoopit | the website now is even worse then it was before! |
| 14:18.27 | Stoopit | starts to search the download he neeeds |
| 14:18.39 | daemonkeeper | Bombo: Your link is really, really outdated. |
| 14:18.59 | pfred1 | daemonkeeper there is an awful lot of that with debian documentation |
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| 14:19.33 | daemonkeeper | pfred1: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ There is better documentation available |
| 14:19.34 | ion_ | I just bought a laptop and I can't install debian on it.. |
| 14:19.37 | deltafoss | any workarround to apt-get remove packages from a squashed file system? need to reduce the FS size. from a chrooted zone |
| 14:20.04 | pfred1 | daemonkeeper oh i am aware of the fact and i always check the date for documentation and Debian |
| 14:20.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | I set up plymouth on my netbook here and changed the theme and it works great on a clean boot, but does not show on a reboot. I get the scrolling messages. Any logical reason for that? |
| 14:20.30 | ion_ | is a samsung RV415 |
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| 14:22.38 | pfred1 | ion_ what stops you from installing? |
| 14:23.29 | Bombo | oh its dh-make ok ;) |
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| 14:25.02 | aypea[2] | wonders where the bug is here. the kernel modules for not looking at the kernel boot params (unlikely - when they are modules, it should be the module params they should look at) or the script for not checking any wishes specified via kernel boot params. |
| 14:25.20 | nezZario | the bug is you're using linux |
| 14:26.02 | ion_ | pred1: basically I installed but always and I turn it on the screen freezes and then after finally starts I can't switch on the wireless and also having problems with sound and video.. |
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| 14:26.50 | pfred1 | ion_ so you can install debian but your wireless sound and video do not work after you do? |
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| 14:27.10 | aypea[2] | nez: I eagerly await debian/amigaos :) |
| 14:28.14 | dvs | ion_: I'd check the log file to see where the boot process is stalling. |
| 14:28.15 | ion_ | pfred1: yes and the screen are freezing as well... |
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| 14:28.53 | ion_ | I've traying since yesterday ... |
| 14:29.09 | pfred1 | ion_ might be a good idea to find out exactly what hardware you have try lspci then fix each issue |
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| 14:30.14 | pfred1 | ion_ likely you need firmware blobs for some of your hardware to function properly |
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| 14:31.22 | ion_ | pfred1: so what do I have to do then I did thet lspci command |
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| 14:32.14 | ion_ | pfred1: and a description of my hardware popped out...so what next ? |
| 14:32.24 | pfred1 | ion_ you have to find the pieces of hardware that are giving you problems on the list and one by one fix them |
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| 14:32.41 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 14:32.45 | dvs | !tell ion_ about hcl |
| 14:33.01 | pfred1 | dvs tell me what is hcl? |
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| 14:33.12 | ion_ | pfred1:well how am I gonna do that I never done it before... |
| 14:33.18 | nvz | well that was fun.. havent had the video card crap out on me in awhile.. heh |
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| 14:33.37 | dvs | pfred1: to see if the proper modules are being loaded |
| 14:33.38 | lancelot_of | i'm trying to upgrade tex-common from wheezy repos but i get dpkg errors stored here: http://paste.debian.net/127642/ and http://paste.debian.net/127641/ |
| 14:33.43 | nvz | Idk why I give all my good computers to other people and use the junky ones |
| 14:33.47 | lancelot_of | please help me fixing it |
| 14:34.04 | pfred1 | dvs neat I'll have to look into it I do things the old fashioned way |
| 14:34.12 | dvs | heh |
| 14:34.22 | pfred1 | which ain't really so much fun |
| 14:34.24 | nvz | lancelot_of: are you running wheezy? |
| 14:34.34 | lancelot_of | nvz, yeah |
| 14:35.07 | pfred1 | dvs oh it is a website |
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| 14:35.22 | dvs | yup |
| 14:35.46 | ion_ | pfred1: there is a road map let's say to do that ? |
| 14:35.52 | pfred1 | bbiab I think the hurricane has found new legs here |
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| 14:36.09 | pfred1 | ion_ all I can say is google is your friend |
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| 14:36.47 | ion_ | pfred1: did you have any of those problems before ? |
| 14:37.17 | nvz | lancelot_of: seems simple enough the key is the 2nd paste you made there, it says you either need to satisfy the newfont.map or remove it and points you to a man page to reference on how to do that |
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| 14:37.24 | svdv | any tool that will stream mjpeg from my desktop? |
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| 14:37.46 | nvz | lancelot_of: in any case you need to check the BTS on this issue, and file a bug report or append an existing bug report |
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| 14:38.27 | lancelot_of | nvz, how to remove newfont.map?where is it? |
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| 14:40.02 | nvz | lancelot_of: I haven't a clue.. if you looked at the update-updmap manpage like the error says I'm willing to bet it'll tell ya |
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| 14:42.58 | nvz | If I had that manpage, I'd look at it myself.. but I dont have it |
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| 14:48.32 | SkilZ | How to make gnome start compiz on boot? |
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| 14:49.35 | nvz | SkilZ: its tricky but what I normally do is end up hacking the gnome-wm script... so I'd wait for someone to suggest a proper way before I tell you how to screw gnome-wm hardcore.. heh |
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| 14:51.28 | SkilZ | nvz, What about System > Preferences > Startup Applications > Add > Command: compiz |
| 14:51.32 | SkilZ | will that do the trick? |
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| 14:51.58 | jetscreamer | something about compiz --replace or something |
| 14:52.05 | nvz | SkilZ: well compiz is a window manager, you can't run two.. the trick is getting metacity or gnome-wm or mutter or something to NOT run |
| 14:52.29 | nvz | the thing is gnome has gotten ignorant about making its wm's run.. |
| 14:52.39 | nvz | just removing mutter and metacity isnt enough |
| 14:52.41 | jetscreamer | knows nothing |
| 14:52.43 | nvz | somehow it still does it |
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| 14:53.01 | SkilZ | jetscreamer, That sounds like it could work brb |
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| 14:53.22 | nvz | the only way I've found that works is mv /usr/bin/gnome-wm /usr/bin/dont-run-gnome-wm |
| 14:53.29 | jetscreamer | i can't swear it's compiz.. i know there's --replace |
| 14:53.35 | nvz | and thats the nice way... I put several curse words in there myself. heh |
| 14:53.36 | jetscreamer | and like i said, i know nothing |
| 14:54.09 | nvz | yeah well replace only does it for that session. it doesnt do it perminantly.. most all wms have a --replace |
| 14:54.19 | jetscreamer | #compiz |
| 14:54.42 | nvz | then I make gnome-wm a link to compiz |
| 14:54.58 | nvz | and thats the only way I found that works |
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| 14:55.35 | jetscreamer | burned a live, bad md5 :( .. 4 hrs till dvd#1 is done |
| 14:55.35 | SkilZ | brb testing |
| 14:55.43 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.15 | Onryo | I am compiling aufs, squashfs and lzma squashfs patch into my Debian kernel as I am making a live CD. Now for my qustion: |
| 14:56.17 | Onryo | How do I get the full default kernel configuration out of the default debian kernel source code as a file? |
| 14:56.45 | nvz | Onryo: if you have a kernel installed the config is in /boot/ |
| 14:57.00 | jetscreamer | make menuconfig and just exit, then it's.. uh... .config ? |
| 14:57.05 | Onryo | nvz plz don't say its that easy..lol thx |
| 14:57.16 | nvz | Onryo: yeah, its that simple |
| 14:57.29 | nvz | its probably in /proc/ somewhere too |
| 14:57.47 | Onryo | nvz ... bang...chair falls over =P |
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| 14:59.36 | hyper_ch | Bushmills: I think I got it now :) |
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| 15:01.29 | SkilZ | awesome that trick worked jetscreamer |
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| 15:02.43 | MrWax | the error Aug 28 16:50:47 mail dovecot: auth(default): Fatal: Socket already exists: /var/run/dovecot/auth-master - anyone know where this is caused by? |
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| 15:03.29 | nvz | MrWax: a socket usually means either the program is already running when you try run it or it crashed without cleaning up, in either case the solution is usually to rm the socket |
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| 15:03.39 | nvz | MrWax: after making sure its not already running of course |
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| 15:04.27 | MrWax | nvz: ok |
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| 15:04.44 | MrWax | nvz: Aug 28 16:50:47 mail dovecot: dovecot: Fatal: Auth process died too early - shutting down |
| 15:04.49 | MrWax | thats what i get after that msg in logs |
| 15:04.58 | MrWax | nvz: how can i find or delete that socket? |
| 15:05.06 | nvz | MrWax: are you serious? heh |
| 15:05.32 | nvz | MrWax: /var/run/dovecot/auth-master IS the socket.. |
| 15:05.43 | nvz | MrWax: rm /var/run/dovecot/auth-master |
| 15:06.00 | MrWax | oh right sorry |
| 15:06.22 | nvz | no problem.. apparently errors arent obvious enough for some people |
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| 15:06.45 | SkilZ | nvz, jetscreamer check this out http://ompldr.org/vYTNhcg |
| 15:06.54 | nvz | personally I was a guru long before I came to linux and I love how obvious the error messages are.. beats the pants off windows errors which are vague an incomprehensible |
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| 15:07.43 | nvz | SkilZ: thats disgusting.. heh |
| 15:07.51 | SkilZ | lol |
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| 15:08.32 | SkilZ | I even have the original apple bootsplash for plymouth with the spinning circle |
| 15:08.41 | nvz | SkilZ: I put the gnomexp theme on a machine I built recently.. customer requested I make transition easy... |
| 15:09.26 | SkilZ | nvz, Ah okay cool .. I'm too poor to afford a REAL Apple, so I make one myself! :) |
| 15:09.46 | SkilZ | It's just as good if not better |
| 15:09.59 | nvz | SkilZ: I love apple hardware and I can't afford it either.. but I'd just run debian on it.. their software blows.. itunes is the worst |
| 15:10.38 | SkilZ | nvz, I like the look of iTunes easy to find music and play it, just dont like all the other stuff with it |
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| 15:10.59 | nvz | SkilZ: its a nightmare.. try amarok |
| 15:11.16 | nvz | if you like bloated gui friendly music players |
| 15:11.17 | Hijinks | sup my fellow linux nerds |
| 15:11.58 | SkilZ | nvz, Im using Rhythembox currently |
| 15:12.30 | nvz | SkilZ: yeah thats nothing compared to amarok... its a simpler cleaner interface but its not nearly as "featureful" |
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| 15:13.05 | SkilZ | nvz, Which is simpler, cleaner? Rhythmbox? |
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| 15:13.23 | nvz | SkilZ: I own two itouches and I love em.. but I can't stand itunes.. anytime you try sync on a different computer it has to transfer purchases, backup, delete, and put everythign back.. its annoying |
| 15:13.33 | nvz | SkilZ: oh yeah rhythmbox is a lot simpler |
| 15:13.40 | syslq_ | nvz: itouches? |
| 15:13.41 | Hijinks | I just got a samsung galaxy s2 |
| 15:13.43 | Hijinks | shits wet |
| 15:13.44 | Hijinks | as fuck |
| 15:13.45 | Hijinks | i love it |
| 15:13.46 | nvz | syslq_: ipod touch |
| 15:14.04 | SkilZ | YAY just got urxvt working with true transparency and antialiased font :) |
| 15:14.17 | nvz | Hijinks: glad to hear it, try not to press enter so much, and stay on topic eh? |
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| 15:14.31 | syslq_ | nvz: hehe, apple & debian are quite on the oposite ends of the spectrum :) |
| 15:14.47 | SkilZ | well, my phone is my computer and skype ^_^ |
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| 15:14.56 | nvz | syslq_: yeah.. as I said I just like the hardware.. not the software.. my ipod touch has dpkg on it.. heh |
| 15:15.17 | Hijinks | skype is my life |
| 15:15.21 | syslq_ | nvz: :), sw is also nice, but apple is so vendor locked that it makes ms look like foss :) |
| 15:15.29 | SkilZ | nvz, What do you think is good about the hardware? |
| 15:15.42 | SkilZ | You mean the look of the ipod ect and functionality? |
| 15:15.45 | Hijinks | apple blows sorry to say |
| 15:15.47 | nvz | SkilZ: its just high quality.. solid.. |
| 15:16.01 | SkilZ | nvz, Did you jailbreak your itouches? |
| 15:16.07 | Hijinks | if you have experience with other portable gadgets the itouch is pretty shitty if you ask me |
| 15:16.19 | nvz | SkilZ: yes I did |
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| 15:16.58 | SkilZ | nvz, I jailbroke all the macbooks, iphones, ipods, ipads ect in JB-HI sometime ago lol |
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| 15:17.21 | syslq_ | Hijinks: had desire and went back to keypad nokia :), touchpad just isnt for making calls while driving |
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| 15:19.35 | Hijinks | yeah |
| 15:19.38 | Hijinks | I love my samsung right now |
| 15:19.53 | syslq_ | Has a nice big screen |
| 15:19.57 | syslq_ | But battery life sucks |
| 15:20.03 | Hijinks | yeah it does |
| 15:20.09 | Hijinks | but its worth it imo |
| 15:20.10 | SkilZ | Whats the name of those opensource phones? |
| 15:20.13 | syslq_ | Maybe it's not so big of a deal these days |
| 15:20.17 | SkilZ | wouldnt mind one of those |
| 15:20.26 | Hijinks | no matter where i go |
| 15:20.28 | nvz | well all this offtopic convo makes me rather go play hedgewars.. heh |
| 15:20.29 | Hijinks | i usually have my charger |
| 15:20.30 | Hijinks | with me |
| 15:20.33 | Hijinks | and im usually at work |
| 15:20.33 | Hijinks | so |
| 15:20.35 | Hijinks | its nota big deal |
| 15:20.36 | syslq_ | mhm |
| 15:20.42 | syslq_ | It's very light |
| 15:20.44 | syslq_ | S2 I mean |
| 15:20.46 | SkilZ | openmoko |
| 15:20.48 | SkilZ | thats it |
| 15:20.49 | Hijinks | yeah i love it for that |
| 15:20.51 | SkilZ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 15:21.48 | syslq_ | Yeah openmoko is fantastic |
| 15:22.12 | jetscreamer | what is jailbreaking an itouch |
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| 15:22.39 | nvz | jetscreamer: allows root access, ssh access, adds dpkg and third party software repos.. |
| 15:22.40 | SkilZ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 15:22.51 | nvz | jetscreamer: in other words makes it useful.. heh |
| 15:22.57 | SkilZ | jetole, Allows you to install anything and customize it |
| 15:23.20 | SkilZ | sorry I mean jetscreamer |
| 15:23.28 | SkilZ | it pretty much turns the phone into a computer |
| 15:23.43 | nvz | itouch isn't a phone to begin with.. heh |
| 15:24.05 | SkilZ | im thinking of my old iphone |
| 15:24.08 | SkilZ | I jailbroke that |
| 15:24.10 | nvz | sprint makes a device which is kind of like a case for the ipod touch that gives it 3g |
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| 15:24.14 | Kromgol | Heya! I got a server set up somewhere and i want to stream things from it to Mplayer, what's the most recommended way to stream? Currently streaming through SSH, with SSHFS |
| 15:24.22 | SkilZ | and unlocked it with ultrasn0w |
| 15:25.02 | SkilZ | koollman, Thats probably the best way |
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| 15:25.25 | SkilZ | Kromgol, rather |
| 15:25.41 | Kromgol | SkilZ: Rather? |
| 15:25.49 | SkilZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.02 | SkilZ | SSH with SSHFS |
| 15:26.07 | zykotick9 | Kromgol, if it's local, both NFS and Samba would be much faster then SSH |
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| 15:26.15 | Kromgol | zykotick9: It's not. |
| 15:26.19 | Kromgol | SkilZ: Mkay |
| 15:26.49 | nvz | Kromgol: openvpn is another option but probably more work to setup than ssh, though p2p shared key isnt that hard |
| 15:27.11 | Kromgol | nvz: Does it provide better streaming capatability? |
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| 15:27.54 | jetscreamer | capability, or compatability |
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| 15:28.04 | nvz | hell if I know, I dont stream |
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| 15:28.30 | Kromgol | :D |
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| 15:29.02 | nvz | I can tell you this much, when I had openvpn setup between my notebook and a friends over the internet, we could NFS so quick it saturated the connection and would time out |
| 15:29.31 | nvz | idk how the hell it would go at 6MB/sec or higher even for the few seconds it would last until one of our routers crapped out |
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| 15:29.55 | nvz | from my experience openvpn is very fast transport |
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| 15:31.01 | SkilZ | I cant seem to find where chromium is installed |
| 15:31.21 | SkilZ | ahh /usr/bin/chromium-browser |
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| 15:45.55 | Eremiell | Hi. |
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| 15:46.46 | Eremiell | I've done quite some debian installations, most worked quite well out of the box, even the notebook ones, but this one is starting to drive me crazy. Acer Aspire 8735G, can't get to work integrated wifi and sound card. Everything else seems to go well. Tried all the tricks, I found around internet, but still no luck. It's Intel WiFi Link 5100 and Intel 82801I ICH9 Family HD Audio Controller. Any tips for making these two work? |
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| 15:54.37 | zykotick9 | Eremiell, you could for both of the device find the (don't know what they're called = [XXXX:XXXX]) IDs and feed them to bot judd to potentially get some info. For the wireless "lspci -vnvn | grep -i network" which in my case gives 168c:001c - then in this channel use ",pciid 168c:001c" |
| 15:55.25 | tvm | eremiell: your components aren't probably supported by the kernel, that's my guess. Check the kernel support, grab a new one and compile it. That's my input. |
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| 15:56.00 | jhutchins_lt | zykotick9: PCI device id. |
| 15:56.11 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
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| 16:01.23 | Eremiell | ,pciid 8086:4232 |
| 16:01.24 | judd | [8086:4232] is 'WiFi Link 5100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4232 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 16:01.52 | Eremiell | .pciid 8086:293e |
| 16:02.15 | Eremiell | ,pciid 8086:293e |
| 16:02.16 | judd | [8086:293e] is '82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:293e and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 16:03.25 | White | Hi, is there a way to use "Fn-Functions" when a game (like Wesnoth) is in fullscreen mode? |
| 16:04.03 | Eremiell | Problem is, I have the firmware, it just doesn't work. On various forums, they're giving up various tricks for these, but none helped yet. the kernel should probably support them, as noone mentioned kernel recompile, as much, as I've seen. |
| 16:05.02 | Eremiell | I'm on latest, fully dist-upgraded squeeze, btw. |
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| 16:10.45 | nvz | White: having a game running fulls screen has nothing to do with fn keys |
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| 16:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | Eremiell: According to the database, the squeeze kernel does support both devices without requiring firmware. |
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| 16:14.12 | jhutchins_lt | Eremiell: The wifi is probably a matter of configuration, the sound could be a problem with pulseaudio or just the need to run through the |
| 16:14.18 | jhutchins_lt | !alsa checklist |
| 16:14.18 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 16:14.31 | White | nvz: when e.g. Wesnoth is in fullscreen mode it ignors the fn-volume control |
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| 16:22.16 | Eremiell | Sounds working now. Thanks goes to jhutchins_lt. Now for the wlan, is there any similar checklist? |
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| 16:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | !wifi |
| 16:24.16 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 16:24.40 | Eremiell | !wifi intel |
| 16:25.00 | jhutchins_lt | Eremiell: Squeeze can be a bit tricky to get the pieces in the right order. I recommend trying network manager before wicd. |
| 16:25.06 | Gen_Patton | is therer a debian package for eggdrop? |
| 16:25.07 | jhutchins_lt | !intel |
| 16:25.07 | dpkg | Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN chipsets, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet controllers, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <speedstep>. |
| 16:25.42 | Eremiell | !ipwang |
| 16:25.58 | jhutchins_lt | Eremiell: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 16:26.39 | Eremiell | oh,I worte it bad in the first place :) |
| 16:27.15 | Gen_Patton | !eggdrop |
| 16:27.16 | dpkg | Eggdrop!? I scoff at Eggdrop bots! I'll have you know, gen_patton, that I am a blootbot, and proud of it! If you really want to sift through the rubbish heap of Tcl, it's allegedly sitting somewhere near <ftp://ftp.eggheads.org/pub/eggdrop/>, but don't say I didn't warn you! |
| 16:27.32 | Eremiell | Anyway, network manager didn't solve my problem and one of the forums recommended to replace it with wicd. Didn't solve my problem as well. |
| 16:28.50 | Eremiell | !iwlang |
| 16:29.19 | Eremiell | He doesn't seem to respond to that word... |
| 16:29.23 | babilen | !tell Eremiell about iwlagn |
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| 16:29.39 | Burns | Hey |
| 16:29.52 | Burns | I would like to unzip a zipped files in 3 parts in command line |
| 16:30.08 | Burns | The file is named zip.001 zip.002 zip.003 |
| 16:30.44 | babilen | Eremiell: Can you reload the module (modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn) and paste the output of "dmesg | tail -23" to http://paste.debian.net ? It might also help to take a look at "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" -- One thing you could try is if the interface is actually working by running "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" |
| 16:30.45 | nvz | Burns: go ahead, you have my blessing |
| 16:31.00 | Burns | but how ^^ |
| 16:31.05 | Gen_Patton | is there i debain package for blootbot? |
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| 16:31.36 | nvz | Burns: well usually with something like a rar, you just unrar the first one, but if its not like that.. i.e. was split afterwards than they have to be recombined first |
| 16:31.50 | babilen | Gen_Patton: yes - /msg judd versions blootbot |
| 16:32.03 | nvz | Burns: it depends on how they were split |
| 16:32.05 | Burns | how to combine them |
| 16:32.08 | Burns | With winzip |
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| 16:32.49 | babilen | Gen_Patton: Please note that blootbot's code has been merged back into infobot and you might be better of with supybot anyway. |
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| 16:34.57 | Eremiell | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/127667 |
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| 16:36.04 | Eremiell | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/127668 |
| 16:36.11 | dashs | Am cloning a Debian 6.0 system to another pc. The mass dselect-upgrade has hung up in a wait state during the "Setting up" phase. Will it time-out or should I kill it? Can it be resumed? |
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| 16:37.27 | babilen | Eremiell: Ok, looks fine -- Can you see wireless networks if you run "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" ? |
| 16:38.29 | Eremiell | babilen: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Invalid argument |
| 16:38.29 | Eremiell | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 16:39.58 | babilen | Eremiell: Hmm, do you have wicd/nm running already? Does "ifconfig wlan0 down ; ifconfig wlan0 up" work? (i.e. does not result in the SIOCSIFFLAGS error) |
| 16:41.13 | babilen | Eremiell: And you installed firmware-iwlwifi didn't you? |
| 16:41.21 | nvz | Burns: try installing p7zip package and using p7zip -d zip.001 |
| 16:41.27 | Eremiell | babilen: down works just fine, up brings the error, yes, wicd is running, should I put it down? |
| 16:41.45 | SkilZ | Anyone know how to set a sound when I increase/decrease the volume in Gnome? |
| 16:42.27 | Eremiell | babilen: yes, I did, well, kinda, I downloaded the backport version, which should supportmy card and added it into firmware directory on installation disc |
| 16:43.23 | babilen | Eremiell: Hmm, why do you need the backported firmware version? |
| 16:43.30 | Eremiell | babilen: killed wicd, down still works, up still doesn't |
| 16:43.41 | dashs | Killed the postinst for speech-dispatcher, things move along... |
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| 16:44.19 | babilen | Eremiell: Do you have network access on that computer? But please give me a second to read up on device specific information. |
| 16:45.54 | nvz | SkilZ: with the gnome-volume-control |
| 16:46.10 | nvz | SkilZ: sounds crazy, I know.. but thats how its done.. |
| 16:46.28 | Eremiell | babilen: Installer toldme,I need one of iwlwifi-5000-3/4/5.ucode, and stable only gets iwlwifi-5000-1&2.ucode, only backport supports 5, and I'm sitting on that very computer chatting with you via ethernet |
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| 16:47.07 | nvz | Eremiell: "stable" so you know the package you need is in another branch? |
| 16:48.38 | nvz | Eremiell: cause firmware packages have no dependancies, and you can install them from any branch without issues |
| 16:48.47 | Eremiell | babilen: well, actually, there's the archive marked as (stable) and the second one marked as (backport), which provides the driver needed |
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| 16:49.19 | SkilZ | nwz I dont have the option to set sounds for events |
| 16:49.34 | SkilZ | nvz I dont have the option to set sounds for events |
| 16:49.41 | SkilZ | Only a theme |
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| 16:49.55 | nvz | SkilZ: uh I have no idea what you're talking about now |
| 16:50.14 | nvz | SkilZ: I misread your question and got confused |
| 16:50.17 | Eremiell | babilen: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:50.18 | SkilZ | And those themes do not have a sound that plays when I volume up/down |
| 16:50.19 | babilen | Eremiell: So you enabled backports and installed firmware-iwlwifi from there? What does "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi|tail -1" and "dmesg|grep firmware" give you? Do you run into the same problem when you install the .39 kernel from backports? |
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| 16:50.53 | MrWax | i get mail: command not found - which package is this from? |
| 16:51.03 | Eremiell | babilen: No, I did download the archive on another computer and provided the files during the initial installation. |
| 16:51.15 | SkilZ | nvz, You know on Apple computers when press the volume +/- button it makes that bubble popping/armpit fart sound? Im trying to use that in Gnome for volume+/- |
| 16:51.46 | nvz | SkilZ: no I'm not familiar.. and as I said, I misread your question.. I understand now what you're trying to do.. |
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| 16:52.15 | SkilZ | hmm |
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| 16:52.40 | nvz | SkilZ: if gnome doesn't have a sound event for changing volume and I doubt it does, you can do this another way.. |
| 16:53.01 | nvz | SkilZ: you can have it run a script when you press the volume keys that both plays a sound and changes the volume |
| 16:53.14 | SkilZ | nvz, How? |
| 16:53.26 | Eremiell | babilen: [10517.630059] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: firmware: requesting iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode |
| 16:53.26 | Eremiell | [10517.639630] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: Driver unable to support your firmware API. Driver supports v5, firmware is v0. |
| 16:53.47 | babilen | Eremiell: That is from the dmesg|grep firmware? |
| 16:53.57 | Eremiell | babilen: like ten times with different numbers in beggining brackets |
| 16:54.00 | Eremiell | babilen: yes |
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| 16:54.20 | Eremiell | babilen: the first one provides this |
| 16:54.24 | Eremiell | ii firmware-iwlwifi 0.28 Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards |
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| 16:55.08 | Eremiell | babilen: which seems like the "stable" not "backport" version. may I have them switched by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:55.34 | babilen | Eremiell: Ok, please install the 0.32 version from backports -- http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ -- "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-iwlwifi" (make sure you have contrib and non-free enabled too) |
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| 16:55.52 | Eremiell | babilen: like may it be, they switched? becauseI'm sure,I got the backport one for the file specifically. |
| 16:55.58 | nvz | SkilZ: ok, System > Prefs > Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 16:56.27 | nvz | SkilZ: you will have to use the add button to add a new shortcut so you can assign a script to it, then make the shortcut that triggers that your volume keys |
| 16:56.29 | babilen | Eremiell: Downgrades are not support and will not happen -- No idea, but try to make sure that you have the 0.32 version installed. |
| 16:57.15 | nvz | SkilZ: then you will have to write a script that plays a sound and adjusts the volume. for this you will both need a simple command line style audio player like mpg123 and a mixer like aumix that lets you adjust the volume from command line |
| 16:57.40 | nvz | SkilZ: is that enough detail for you to grasp it? |
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| 16:58.54 | Eremiell | babilen: ii firmware-iwlwifi 0.32~bpo60+1 Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards |
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| 16:59.04 | Eremiell | but still ii firmware-iwlwifi 0.32~bpo60+1 Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards |
| 16:59.10 | Eremiell | [10517.630059] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: firmware: requesting iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode |
| 16:59.11 | Eremiell | [10517.639630] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: Driver unable to support your firmware API. Driver supports v5, firmware is v0. |
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| 16:59.41 | babilen | Eremiell: That is the same message (as you can clearly see by the timestamp) |
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| 17:00.30 | babilen | Eremiell: Reload the module or reboot and try again. |
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| 17:00.36 | Eremiell | babilen: Oh, you're right. |
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| 17:02.47 | Eremiell | babilen: Got the module reloaded, but ifconfig wlan0 up still provides the same error. Will give it a full reboot. Hopefully it may help. Be right back. |
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| 17:10.51 | wols_ | arnoldB: http://www.google.com/search?q=non+interactive+debconf |
| 17:12.37 | arnoldB | wols_: thanks |
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| 17:15.39 | svdv | what's the pkg name for kde headers? |
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| 17:16.29 | Guest40128 | babilen: So...no. Still SIOCSIFFLAGS: Invalid argument, still Driver unable to support your firmware API. Driver supports v5, firmware is v0. |
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| 17:17.01 | wols_ | sdx23: apt-cache search kdelib |grep dec |
| 17:17.03 | wols_ | sdx23: apt-cache search kdelib |grep dev |
| 17:17.16 | iderik | Why is TTY7 the default? is it only for GUI? is it because i choosed to have GUI as default? :) |
| 17:17.37 | wols_ | X uses the first free tty |
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| 17:18.07 | wols_ | ,versions firmware-iwlwifi |
| 17:18.09 | judd | Package firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.33; wheezy/non-free: 0.33 |
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| 17:19.52 | babilen | Guest40128: Could you move /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode somewhere else and try again? (cf. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632778 ) |
| 17:20.55 | Eremiell_ | babilen: some problems with nickserv, cannot ghost myself,I'm logged in formy nick,still, my nick is temporarily unavailable...whatever |
| 17:21.48 | babilen | Eremiell_: RELEASE it as well |
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| 17:22.09 | nsadmin | iderik, so debian (and many other dists) allocate 6 vcs for text consoles (alt-f1 - alt-f6 to get to each) |
| 17:23.14 | Eremiell | babilen: Ha...never used that on my other network, ghost was enough. Thanks. |
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| 17:28.35 | Eremiell | babilen: Moved it elsewhere and something definitely changed. |
| 17:29.34 | babilen | heh |
| 17:30.07 | Eremiell | babilen: checking out, what it did. it may be working now, but not sure yet. |
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| 17:36.13 | Eremiell | babilen: Yes! It seems to work now. So the problem was with the firmware file? I grabbed it through the debian pages, when installer told me, I need it... Anyway, thanks a lot. Really hope, that was the last thing. Everything else seems working right now, but I might had overseen something... |
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| 17:38.57 | babilen | Eremiell: Marvellous -- I would expect the issue to be resolved in one of the coming kernel updates. |
| 17:40.54 | babilen | Eremiell: BTW -- I guess this is due to you using the backported firmware as the version in squeeze does *not* contain the -5 file. It could, however, be that you need the newer -2 file but the -5 is interfering. |
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| 17:41.51 | mah454 | Hello .... |
| 17:41.58 | mah454 | i have problim with apt ... |
| 17:42.18 | mah454 | I use this repository : deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 17:42.32 | mah454 | but apt do not download from non-free ... |
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| 17:43.34 | Eremiell | babilen: I tried to give it stable first, but it just said, it needs explicitely 3, 4 or 5, and I don't have it, so I grabbed the backport, which got it. |
| 17:44.07 | abrotman | mah454: `aptitude update' .. put it in a pastebin so we can see |
| 17:44.29 | SpeedyG | hi, anyone here know how to get silverlight(moonlight) running on squeeze? somehow it doesn't seem to be in my apt repository :( |
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| 17:45.13 | abrotman | judd: versions moonlight-plugin-mozilla |
| 17:45.14 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'moonlight-plugin-mozilla' was found in i386. |
| 17:45.26 | abrotman | wonders why he hsa it ... |
| 17:45.38 | tylkas | SpeedyG: http://mono-project.com/DistroPackages/Debian |
| 17:45.42 | SpeedyG | hm, I seem to have the same issue, moonlight-plugin-mozilla not included |
| 17:45.51 | abrotman | tohugh i have it installed ... |
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| 17:46.56 | abrotman | must be sometihng else now? |
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| 17:47.18 | SpeedyG | tylkas: thats mono, but what about moonlight, ff-plugin package should be in the repos right? why isnt it? |
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| 17:47.22 | abrotman | SpeedyG: try #debian-cli on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:48.22 | tylkas | SpeedyG: sorry: "Moonlight is an open source implementation of Silverlight" (C) http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight |
| 17:48.35 | abrotman | tylkas: we know that .. not helpful |
| 17:48.38 | SpeedyG | tylkas: yeah, that much I know. |
| 17:49.03 | SpeedyG | tylkas: question is why isnt the firefox plugin for moonlight in my debian apt-repository.. |
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| 17:49.54 | AimHere | It's in mine |
| 17:50.13 | AimHere | It calls itself moonlight-plugin-mozilla |
| 17:50.41 | babilen | AimHere: What does "apt-cache policy moonlight-plugin-mozilla" give you? |
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| 17:51.19 | AimHere | Well it simultaneously tells me Installed and N: Unable to locate package search |
| 17:51.30 | AimHere | Maybe it's because I took a looooong time to apt-get upgrade last ;) |
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| 17:52.10 | tylkas | SpeedyG: http://packages.debian.org/sid/moonlight-plugin-mozilla |
| 17:52.35 | abrotman | also not helpful |
| 17:52.45 | abrotman | tylkas: look at the architectures |
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| 17:56.19 | tylkas | abrotman: and so? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638565 |
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| 17:58.02 | abrotman | tylkas: he's getting help in the correct channel that knows more |
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| 18:00.19 | Dirkos | can someone help me to update my samba to 3.6? |
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| 18:00.34 | doomgiver | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/bt-dvd/ there are "8" dvd's..... do i have to download them all? |
| 18:00.46 | Dirkos | cuz im running debian stable its not in the repo yet but i want to upgrade to check how it does with performance |
| 18:00.46 | AimHere | Usually the first DVD is enough |
| 18:01.01 | doomgiver | ok thanks |
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| 18:01.07 | AimHere | Then you point your repositories at the internet and download what else you need with your package manager of choice |
| 18:01.09 | trv | why not CD? |
| 18:01.09 | jason404 | I used mount --bind, but I linked to an existing (empty) directory. so what has hapened is that it linked to the parent of that directory instead. I guess the target should not have existed as a directory. Alo seem to have lost everything in the parent directory which has npw been linked to the original dir, but there was not much important in that. Now, how do I delete this mount --bind? |
| 18:01.26 | doomgiver | umm, internet connectivity is going to be a problem |
| 18:01.38 | ompaul | doomgiver: then get as many as you can ime |
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| 18:01.53 | trv | first CD/DVD is enough to install desktop environment and base system |
| 18:01.54 | doomgiver | ok, thanks |
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| 18:03.10 | sdx23 | wols_: what? |
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| 18:03.57 | MrWax | i get mail: command not found - which package is this from? |
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| 18:04.31 | apocalyptiq | What is .cpan directory on debian? inside i have CPAN directory with MyConfig.pm file |
| 18:04.33 | wols_ | sdx23: bad nick complete |
| 18:04.45 | wols_ | MrWax: /msg dpkg search /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:05.41 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:06.20 | SpeedyG | abrotman: do you know who has access to dpkg to update the info on moonlight ? what I just got from the debian-cli channel you suggested is that just the xpi file should be downloaded from go-mono.com/moonlight and that the moonlight-plugin-mozilla package should no longer be in the repos |
| 18:06.30 | abrotman | SpeedyG: i saw .. i can update it in a bit .. |
| 18:06.36 | SpeedyG | ok, thanks! :) |
| 18:06.53 | SpeedyG | although I must say that the issue still isnt resolved :( |
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| 18:07.11 | SpeedyG | but thats probably due to the crappyness of silverlight/m$ |
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| 18:11.57 | abrotman | SpeedyG: they may have thought the target too quickly moving to be a good package for a stable release ? |
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| 18:14.41 | MrWax | wols_: no results on both |
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| 18:17.21 | raldakejla | hi, i just upgraded to wheezy and am having issues with perlapi5.10.0 |
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| 18:18.26 | n0sq | which dvd do i need to d/l for the intel i5 system? |
| 18:18.26 | jason404 | there does not seem to be an unmount command in debian |
| 18:18.33 | jason404 | what do I use instead? |
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| 18:19.15 | zapadlo | jason404 umount |
| 18:19.42 | jason404 | zapadlo: bash: unmount: command not found |
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| 18:20.05 | SpeedyG | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ybxCyB8b <= moonlight seems to 'search' for some silverlight package .. |
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| 18:20.16 | jason404 | zapadlo: ah I see |
| 18:20.21 | n0sq | jason404: no no - umount (not unmount) |
| 18:20.22 | jason404 | umount, not unmount |
| 18:20.29 | jason404 | ok, thanks and sorry |
| 18:21.17 | abrotman | SpeedyG: let me read |
| 18:21.55 | abrotman | SpeedyG: does that .so exist on your system ? |
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| 18:23.07 | MrWax | i get mail: command not found - which package is this from? |
| 18:23.34 | abrotman | !tell MrWax about apt-file |
| 18:24.42 | SpeedyG | abrotman: is there a ''fast' way to check (find is slow... ) |
| 18:25.03 | abrotman | SpeedyG: are you amd64 or i386? |
| 18:25.07 | SpeedyG | amd64 |
| 18:25.15 | abrotman | did you try with apt-file |
| 18:25.15 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:25.35 | SpeedyG | command not found |
| 18:25.52 | abrotman | aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo |
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| 18:27.17 | SpeedyG | provides no results, so I guess it's not there.. |
| 18:27.47 | abrotman | SpeedyG: perhaps ask the #debian-cli people again .. though i see your paste with no respones |
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| 18:29.25 | MrWax | abrotman: yes |
| 18:29.40 | abrotman | yes what? |
| 18:30.11 | wols_ | MrWax: pdo knows where you can get it. as the "search" factoid told you afaik. long ago. so did the apt-file factoid I told you about |
| 18:30.12 | jason404 | is /etc/group- a backup file for /etc/group ? |
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| 18:31.21 | jelly-home | yes |
| 18:31.27 | jason404 | ok thanks |
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| 18:33.02 | jason404 | my apache web files are in /var/www and its subdirs. the owner and group is www-data:www-data |
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| 18:33.21 | jason404 | now how do I give read/write acess to a particular user? |
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| 18:34.47 | chao|2 | I cannot change or upgrade or remove any packages at all... aptitude/synaptic fail always with this error: |
| 18:34.49 | chao|2 | http://pastebin.com/979Z2W7u |
| 18:34.49 | wols_ | jason404: usually a bad idea to make those files owned by www-data |
| 18:35.29 | wols_ | chao|2: how old is your status.old file? |
| 18:35.33 | jason404 | wols_ is it? I have seen so many webpages that suggest that |
| 18:35.49 | jason404 | I have .htacess files and stuff like that as root:root |
| 18:36.07 | jason404 | wols_: so which user should own them? root? |
| 18:36.18 | wols_ | the less files and directories are writable by www-data the better |
| 18:36.27 | chao|2 | wols_: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1851778 Aug 27 11:50 status |
| 18:36.27 | chao|2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1852801 Aug 27 11:50 status-old |
| 18:36.30 | wols_ | any other user where www-data has no write priviledges |
| 18:36.47 | jason404 | I see |
| 18:36.48 | wols_ | chao|2: make a backup of status, and copy over status.old to status |
| 18:37.03 | jason404 | but would that not break CMSs and wikis, etc? |
| 18:37.28 | chao|2 | wols_: I tried to run the same command but same error happens |
| 18:37.29 | wols_ | jason404: when you need to upload something, of course this directory needs to be writable by www-data, but it is then a good idea to make it not usable for e.g. php files |
| 18:37.31 | chao|2 | dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:37.31 | dpkg | chao|2: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:38.03 | wols_ | chao|2: then I guess both are corrupted |
| 18:38.46 | jason404 | totally confused about this now |
| 18:40.14 | wols_ | chao|2: see /var/backups/ for other, older dpkg status files. maybe try those. or you can edit it manually, but be very carefully with that |
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| 18:42.17 | chao|2 | wols_: I have these files: http://pastebin.com/QGf4dgZi |
| 18:42.17 | jason404 | wols_: Everything I can see on the net says that the owner and group for apache content should be www-data:www-data, or assumes it to be. |
| 18:42.40 | jason404 | apart from things like .htaccess files |
| 18:42.43 | wols_ | jason404: define "everything" |
| 18:43.08 | jason404 | everthing that I am can see as a search the web |
| 18:43.28 | jason404 | have you got any links? |
| 18:43.30 | wols_ | jason404: give examples. and especially: give valid reasons |
| 18:43.46 | jason404 | here's one: http://superuser.com/questions/19318/how-can-i-give-write-access-of-a-folder-to-all-users-in-linux |
| 18:43.46 | wols_ | have YOU got any links. I told you why I don't want my files there www-data owned |
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| 18:44.50 | wols_ | jason404: note how /var/www is owned by root for example |
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| 18:45.23 | wols_ | jason404: and this link you gave doesn't say what you think it says. it nowhere says that www-data has to own the files there |
| 18:46.14 | wols_ | and really bad errors like "For example the default group for web content on Ubuntu and Debian is www-data" doesn't inspire confidence at all. it's just that the webserver runs under this user. says nothing about the content |
| 18:47.08 | jason404 | wols_: so should www-data still be the owner for CMD and wiki content? |
| 18:47.21 | jason404 | CMS, sorry |
| 18:47.33 | wols_ | define "content" |
| 18:47.55 | jelly-home | www-data has to be able to read the content |
| 18:48.24 | jason404 | well, the usual sense. user made content, not the actual CMS software |
| 18:48.27 | wols_ | but note that being able to read it doesn't mean it needs to own the content |
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| 18:48.35 | jason404 | which is not in /var/www anyway |
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| 18:48.43 | wols_ | CMS usually have their content inside a database, not in files |
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| 18:48.55 | jelly-home | if there's a cms or wiki app to be interpreted in http server context, and some files changed, then yes, www-data may have to own some of that data |
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| 18:49.03 | JordiGH | Huh? Hedgewars in squeeze seems to have a liblua5.1-dev build-dep, but there is no such package. |
| 18:49.05 | zach23 | when installing nagios, how come it is installing samba, mysql, etc, etc - is there a minimal nagios install i can go do instead? |
| 18:49.16 | JordiGH | There are only a bunch of liblua5.1-foo-dev packages. |
| 18:49.23 | wols_ | zach23: disable recommends |
| 18:49.32 | jason404 | wols: I use a wiki which does not use a database |
| 18:49.39 | zach23 | how do i do that through apt-get? |
| 18:49.56 | abrotman | zach23: man aptitude |
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| 18:49.58 | JordiGH | There's also liblua5.1-0-dev |
| 18:50.03 | JordiGH | wtf, is that a soname in a -dev package? |
| 18:50.31 | jason404 | wols_: so regarding my original query, it would be simple to just make the owner this chrooted user which I can use to upload files? |
| 18:51.03 | wols_ | jason404: usually yes. but every installation is different due to different CMS and such |
| 18:51.13 | jason404 | ok, thanks |
| 18:51.19 | wols_ | !tell zach23 about apt recommends |
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| 18:54.50 | jason404 | how can I change the recursively change the owner:group of a load of files, when they are owned by a particular user, but not the ones owned by another user (in this case, root). would I need to make a shell script using for, or is there a one-liner for this? |
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| 18:55.37 | abrotman | you could use find |
| 18:55.45 | wols_ | jason404: find and its -exec option |
| 18:56.10 | jason404 | ok thanks abrotman, wols_. I'll take a look at that |
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| 18:56.55 | MrWax | wols_: i get a million results on apt-file search mail |
| 18:57.15 | nvz | JordiGH: its missing a haskell builddep too.. I was having the same problem |
| 18:57.30 | nvz | JordiGH: I wanted to backport it from sid, can't satisfy the build-deps |
| 18:57.35 | wols_ | MrWax: but not for bin/mail cause all programs are in a "bin" directory |
| 18:57.44 | abrotman | MrWax: apt-file search bin/mail |
| 18:57.51 | JordiGH | nvz: I removed that build-dep. It seems to be building. |
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| 18:58.22 | JordiGH | Yay, built. |
| 18:58.26 | jason404 | MrWax: apt-file search mail? not found on my system |
| 18:58.30 | JordiGH | now tests the package. |
| 18:58.31 | nvz | JordiGH: I havent looked into it yet.. the damn thing depends on C, haskell, pascal, and lua for some reason |
| 18:58.49 | JordiGH | The hedgewars devs used a bunch of languages. This is typical for game programming. |
| 18:58.56 | jason404 | apt-file: command not found |
| 18:59.01 | JordiGH | nvz: Want my binary? It seems that build-dep isn't necessary. |
| 18:59.02 | MrWax | abrotman: still 100s |
| 18:59.04 | JordiGH | At least not in squeeze. |
| 18:59.05 | wols_ | !tell jason404 about installit |
| 18:59.12 | jason404 | oic |
| 18:59.13 | nvz | JordiGH: what arch is it? |
| 18:59.22 | abrotman | MrWax: not 100s |
| 18:59.25 | JordiGH | amd64 |
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| 18:59.38 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 18:59.46 | abrotman | $ apt-file search bin/mail | wc -l |
| 18:59.46 | abrotman | 92 |
| 18:59.52 | nvz | JordiGH: ah, thats of little use to me.. I dont use amd64 even on 64 bit systems |
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| 19:00.04 | jason404 | I assumed apt-stuff would be installed by default |
| 19:00.24 | JordiGH | nvz: Oh, sorry. Well, looks like liblua5.1-0-dev can satisfy the lua build-dep, and just edit the 0.9.15 control to remove that utf8 build-dep. |
| 19:00.33 | MrWax | well a lot at least abrotman |
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| 19:00.53 | MrWax | abrotman: 92 |
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| 19:01.13 | abrotman | i said that |
| 19:01.19 | abrotman | !tell lucaroot about root |
| 19:01.21 | abrotman | again ... |
| 19:01.38 | JordiGH | nvz: You might also want to bump the Debian revision in debian/changelog |
| 19:01.39 | abrotman | --> lucaroot (~root@82.112.144.112) has joined #debian .. You're still root |
| 19:01.39 | nvz | JordiGH: ah.. I'll give that a try.. I still wanna get in touch with the devs and maybe dive into the code a little. I like the game a lot but it needs some things.. first and foremost the ability to change controls |
| 19:01.54 | JordiGH | The rope controls are a little weird. |
| 19:02.22 | nvz | JordiGH: the controls in general are bad.. reaching my left hand to the right side of the keyboard and my right hand to the mouse is not natural |
| 19:02.24 | JordiGH | Anyways, I'm gonna whack my girlfriend with bats to make her fall into baskets now, ttyl. |
| 19:02.31 | SpeedyG | wols_: you mentioned files in /var/www/ should not be owned by www-data ? |
| 19:02.41 | wols_ | SpeedyG: yes |
| 19:02.42 | nvz | I'd rather use asdw and make space jump |
| 19:03.38 | SpeedyG | wols_: is that like.. default hardening of webservers? are there any guidelines on that (webpages or somth) |
| 19:03.40 | JordiGH | nvz: Maybe I can just upload my backport to b.d.o |
| 19:04.42 | nvz | JordiGH: idk how all that works.. never read up on the bdo policy.. I am gonna backport it though cause there are lots of new characters, maps, in the newer version and I haven't tried it yet but I'd imagine the squeeze version is not compatible with the new version |
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| 19:05.06 | nvz | I'd just in general want to add a whole lot more configuration to it |
| 19:05.28 | nvz | change of startup weapons and amounts, round time, sudden death time, controls.. etc |
| 19:05.30 | jason404 | ok, how do I stop apt-file search mail from running? Ctrl-C does not do anything |
| 19:05.32 | wols_ | SpeedyG: simple common sense |
| 19:05.48 | wols_ | jason404: man kill;man killall |
| 19:06.10 | SpeedyG | wols_: thought I had some of that.. but apparently withouth the required knowledge on webserver permissions ;-) |
| 19:07.13 | jason404 | ugh, I can't even switch to another window |
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| 19:07.22 | MrWax | abrotman: so which package you think its ? |
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| 19:07.44 | luca | hi |
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| 19:08.00 | abrotman | MrWax: i told you how to find it .. i'm not going to nurse you .. it's a simple method to find it |
| 19:08.23 | MrWax | apt-file search bin/mail ? |
| 19:08.39 | luca | i just installed debian and im at terminal whats the apt-get command to install gnome?? ive already done apt-cache search gnome but the page is so long and i cant scroll help plz :) |
| 19:08.54 | wols_ | !tell luca about install gnome |
| 19:08.56 | jason404 | there certainly is a lot of mail software available for debian |
| 19:09.17 | luca | !tell |
| 19:09.33 | wols_ | luca: you got a message |
| 19:09.49 | wols_ | MrWax: I strongly suggest to learn about grep, less and their friends |
| 19:09.59 | smugglerinc | I need a simple mailserver that will accept emails and then send them away to a script to process and have the script send out the edited software. Would sendmail work with sending emails to scripts? |
| 19:10.02 | SpeedyG | wols_: if anyone ever asks my last question (pages, hardening) point them to http://wiki.debian.org/Apache/Hardening instead of common sense ;) it's a bit more helpful (although I could ofcourse also find itt myself ;) ) |
| 19:10.22 | wols_ | smugglerinc: sendmail is not a simple mailserver. you do not want sendmail |
| 19:10.46 | smugglerinc | wols_ I'm assuming that what I want to do is simple as well? |
| 19:10.52 | jason404 | I found exim4 delightfully simple to setup |
| 19:10.53 | wols_ | SpeedyG: but common sense is a lot more dependable than a prechewed spoonfeeding |
| 19:10.58 | luca | wols you send me a message how do i open im on text based irc called irssi since i dont have a desktop envirment |
| 19:11.04 | nvz | abrotman: I hear putting a little something that doesnt taste so good on the nipple helps ween nursing.. |
| 19:11.09 | wols_ | smugglerinc: fairly |
| 19:11.16 | abrotman | nvz: not amused |
| 19:11.37 | smugglerinc | wols_: Would you have a suggestion? |
| 19:11.54 | wols_ | exim or postfix. procmail or such for the script stuff |
| 19:12.05 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, I'm not here to amuse you anyhow... and feel like I can use a nap. |
| 19:12.25 | smugglerinc | wols_, jason404: Alright thanks. I shall look into them. |
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| 19:15.57 | SpeedyG | wols_: true, but if common sense is not as common as expected, some additional information would be nice ;) |
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| 19:17.10 | wols_ | SpeedyG: I told the whys several times above. I won't repeat them another time |
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| 19:21.20 | nidhoegger | hi, im trying to install fglrx on my new debian install. ive added the non-free repo and installed everything, but how do i get rid of the radeon and drm module? |
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| 19:23.11 | Cubox | Hello, i need a little help for make debtorrent work with apt-mirror. I have installed debtorrent ans configure it, all ports are forwarded. But ... apt-mirror don't find any Packages.gz |
| 19:25.29 | Cubox | i have set http://localhost:9988/ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 19:28.29 | jason404 | what am I do wrong here? |
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| 19:28.43 | jason404 | ->find foo.net/ -user www-data -exec 'chown apacheuser:apacheuser' |
| 19:28.43 | jason404 | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
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| 19:30.58 | Cubox | -exec "command" \; |
| 19:31.11 | babilen | jason404: find foo.net/ -user www-data -exec chown apacheuser:apacheuser {} \; for example |
| 19:31.19 | jason404 | thanks |
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| 19:32.49 | mjt | you can also use + instead of ; - with added bonus... ;) |
| 19:33.35 | babilen | indeed :) |
| 19:34.35 | babilen | jason404: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind (in particular "6. Actions in bulk: xargs, -print0 and -exec +") |
| 19:34.57 | jason404 | babilen: thanks |
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| 19:40.40 | debmisc | good day to you all. maybe someone knows if it's possible to bind a network device on a multicore machine to more than one CPU. that would be helpful for DDOS attacks line SYN flooding etc.. |
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| 19:41.30 | nidhoegger | i tried installing fglrx, but it seems to not support my card, now i deinstalled fglrx again and my direct rendering is gone in radeon module |
| 19:41.46 | nidhoegger | how can i re-enable it? i guess its a problem with the symlinks to the gl interface or something |
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| 19:43.00 | nidhoegger | in fact, glx completely is not working. i dont even get the glxinfo |
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| 19:45.34 | k1 | hello! is anyone using a rtl8187 (Alfa AWUS036H) wifi stick w debian, and if - is it stable? |
| 19:46.18 | k1 | I been searching some forums and ppl seem to have issues w connection stability |
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| 19:48.04 | babilen | !tell k1 -about rtl8187 |
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| 19:48.46 | babilen | k1: I have no personal experience and have no idea if it is "stable" or good working. realtek adaptors are not really known for their superiour quality and linux driver support though. |
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| 19:50.36 | k1 | babilen: any adapter you can recommend? |
| 19:51.00 | debmisc | noone has a tip for me? i like to use all 8 cores of my machine for the kernel network modules... |
| 19:51.28 | babilen | k1: Atheros or intel |
| 19:53.39 | k1 | babilen: and what particular stick are you using/recommend |
| 19:53.45 | mjt | i tried to find some wifi adaptor that can work in AP mode, has support for n network (300mbps) and connects over usb. I come out with nothing so far. |
| 19:53.51 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 19:54.11 | zmo | hi |
| 19:54.12 | mjt | (this machine has no PCI/PCIe slots) |
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| 19:56.30 | mjt | debmisc: usually your network is the bottleneck, not the CPU |
| 19:56.45 | mjt | (unless you're talking about high-speed LAN) |
| 19:57.20 | zmo | I'm using debian 5.0.8, I run apache 2.2.9, and I would like to enable SNI to have multiple vhosts using SSL |
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| 19:57.37 | zmo | is it possible using apache 2.2.9, and how can I do it ? |
| 19:58.05 | zmo | I already have a ssl certificate with a wildcard domain |
| 19:58.19 | debmisc | well, i'm talking about 1gbit. when i try to SYN-flood myself ksoftirqd/0 and events/0 are both at 50% cpu... but i have a total of 800% cpu |
| 19:58.21 | zmo | and I tried to configure several vhost files vith serveralias but had no success |
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| 19:59.17 | debmisc | iptable rules and syn cookies would handle the ddos, only the CPU limit of that two devices are the bottleneck |
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| 19:59.19 | mjt | debmisc: so you're syn-flooding yourself from a LAN |
| 19:59.34 | mjt | debmisc: try that over wan and see if that will work |
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| 19:59.47 | debmisc | no, over the inet with another 1gbit root in another DC |
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| 20:00.50 | lapsusbrutus | a lenovo laptop goes into coma after: pm-suspend anyone knows how to fix that? It will not wake up afterwards. |
| 20:01.36 | mjt | debmisc: there are some ways to improve that. i think your best bet is to try a more modern kernel and ask in linux-netdev@vger |
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| 20:02.35 | debmisc | well, i'm running a default squeeze install. thanks for the tip, i will have a look @linux-netdev |
| 20:02.39 | mjt | debmisc: also, there are different kinds of network adaptors. F.e. with realtek r8169 it's hardly possible |
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| 20:03.34 | mjt | debmisc: and by "latest" i really mean latest from kernel.org, or at least from backports. |
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| 20:04.12 | debmisc | mjt: it's a intel 82573L adapter |
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| 20:04.41 | mjt | i just gave an example. I have no expirence in that area |
| 20:04.54 | debmisc | well, i will aks in netdev... it's a production machine with running nginx as reverse proxy so i really like it secure |
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| 20:05.10 | debmisc | well, thanks for your help :) |
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| 20:16.06 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 20:18.18 | damien__ | how can i have mutt email client fetch mail then quit from the command line? |
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| 20:19.05 | abrotman | why not use fetchmail ? |
| 20:19.43 | damien__ | because mutt can fetch-mail |
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| 20:20.04 | abrotman | but you need to have it open ? |
| 20:20.16 | damien__ | you can run it from the command line |
| 20:20.43 | abrotman | okay, have fun |
| 20:21.40 | zastaph | can debian install using ubuntu ppa's easily, or is it not the recommended way on ubuntu? |
| 20:21.47 | zastaph | err on debian |
| 20:22.08 | abrotman | zastaph: not recommended at all .. those packages are not intended for Debian, and they're not up to Debian standards |
| 20:22.20 | zastaph | ok |
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| 20:22.57 | zastaph | I wanted to install https://github.com/gmate/gmate but the first dependency python-webkitgtk was not even in aptitude |
| 20:23.18 | abrotman | judd: versions python-webkitgtk |
| 20:23.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'python-webkitgtk' was found in i386. |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | zastaph: in Debian, seems to have a different name |
| 20:24.01 | abrotman | (which is why we say not ot use the PPAs) |
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| 20:24.11 | zastaph | judd: versions python-webkit |
| 20:24.11 | judd | Package python-webkit on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.7-1+b1; sid: 1.1.8-2; wheezy: 1.1.8-2 |
| 20:24.26 | zastaph | think it's the one? |
| 20:24.35 | abrotman | i have no idea .. i don't use Ubuntu, and I don't use that PPA |
| 20:24.49 | zastaph | ok, but I use the alternative install method (non ubuntu) :) |
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| 20:26.27 | zastaph | judd: versions python-sexy |
| 20:26.29 | judd | Package python-sexy on i386 -- lenny: 0.1.9-1 |
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| 20:26.40 | zastaph | hmm that doesn't show up on aptitude search python-sexy at me |
| 20:26.44 | zastaph | but i'm also using 6.0 |
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| 20:27.46 | poisonbit | which gnu/date format should I use for a changelog ? |
| 20:28.13 | poisonbit | (as in upstream changelog, not dch) |
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| 20:28.43 | poisonbit | --rfc-2822 ? |
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| 20:29.51 | poisonbit | %c ? %c with LANG=C ? |
| 20:30.13 | apocalyptiq | how can i somewhat make in console mylonglogin@mylongcomputername:some/very/very/very/long/path longer? :-) |
| 20:30.22 | apocalyptiq | shorter* |
| 20:30.30 | damien__ | symbolic link |
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| 20:31.06 | apocalyptiq | mylonglogin@mylongcomputername:~some/very/very/very/long/path$ my comand |
| 20:31.30 | damien__ | oh wow, you can paste, that's pretty good for a newb |
| 20:31.34 | apocalyptiq | o, that :-) i want just to not display that loong directory and my username/computer name line |
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| 20:32.07 | apocalyptiq | or display only directory path |
| 20:32.13 | damien__ | no one knows what you're talking about because you're vague and mentally handicapped |
| 20:32.22 | apocalyptiq | becouse i have long username and even longer computer name :D |
| 20:32.29 | damien__ | :D ni hao ma? |
| 20:32.34 | damien__ | ^--^ |
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| 20:33.48 | damien__ | i used to have that problem too but then i started naming my computers after male prostitutes (dick hard, rock cock, anal cock, mr cock, gape cock, gabe nuts) etc |
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| 20:34.38 | khaije|minder | any suggestions for a log file analyzer/visualizer? |
| 20:35.03 | damien__ | khaije|minder: yea there's a lot of them - you pick the one for your app or system |
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| 20:35.19 | damien__ | there's an apache log analyzer, a bunch for filesystems |
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| 20:35.38 | abrotman | khaije|minder: which type of log? |
| 20:35.48 | damien__ | btw lets not personify the words 'analyzer', its not some asian person that reports to you with what you want to hear and a coffee in the morning |
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| 20:36.11 | khaije|minder | ya i was looking through apt-cache search log analyzer, but aside from just trying them in order thought i'd check if anyone had a favorite |
| 20:36.19 | khaije|minder | abrotman: web logs primarily |
| 20:36.55 | damien__ | oh i'm sorry i misunderstood |
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| 20:36.58 | damien__ | you want a web log analyzer, ok |
| 20:37.18 | damien__ | first download the web application, then read web.html, then go to web.com and use the web search engine to find the web analyzer |
| 20:37.46 | fckgw | which kernel version do i need for using aes-ni with dmcrypt? |
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| 20:39.12 | damien__ | fckgw: generally the way this works is you try the latest stable, and now you have two binary cases (1) it works, you win (2) it doesn't, you try the latest unstable version |
| 20:39.19 | damien__ | either way you win, but you win more if you are lucky |
| 20:39.40 | abrotman | khaije|minder: apache? what is a 'web log' ? |
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| 20:40.19 | damien__ | abrotman: i think he means his myspace page |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | uh ... |
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| 20:41.00 | damien__ | he needs a bot to read all the chat between the girls he can't have relationships with, to craft a plan that makes him more appealing to said bitches |
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| 20:41.45 | abrotman | done yet? |
| 20:42.03 | damien__ | abrotman: i'm still waiting for my mutt solution actually |
| 20:42.06 | abrotman | khaije|minder: what kind of logs are these? Apache logs? |
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| 20:42.25 | abrotman | damien__: you said you had the solution |
| 20:42.30 | damien__ | no i didn't |
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| 20:42.48 | damien__ | btw what makes you think yoiu will get a different answer if you ask him the same question |
| 20:43.11 | abrotman | damien__: your language needs to get cleaned up .. |
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| 20:43.29 | fckgw | whats latest stable at the moment? |
| 20:43.29 | damien__ | abrotman: can't answer to the claims huh? |
| 20:43.30 | Lunatique | hello. When i apt-get a program, it gets installed from etc/program right ? what happens if a program is removed from there by accident ? I try to install postfix but i accidentaly removed the /etc/postfix folder |
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| 20:43.42 | abrotman | you told us you could do what you wanted to with mutt .. so apparently you know how .. so go do it |
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| 20:44.00 | damien__ | abrotman: i guess it makes sense in your literal female mind |
| 20:44.02 | abrotman | damien__: I'm more patient than you .. I'll ask til he gives an appropriate answer or gets bored and goes away |
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| 20:44.10 | damien__ | oh it's a competition now? |
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| 20:44.40 | abrotman | damien__: i have no idea why you think your actions are appropriate, go back under whatever rock you came from |
| 20:45.02 | abrotman | !tell Lunatique about confmiss |
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| 20:46.15 | Lunatique | i got -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 20:46.46 | abrotman | Lunatique: you're using Ubuntu ? |
| 20:46.49 | Lunatique | i tried the command in the root folder |
| 20:46.51 | Lunatique | no debian |
| 20:47.05 | abrotman | then install aptitude, or see the command they give you for apt-get |
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| 20:47.22 | Lunatique | thanks :) |
| 20:48.11 | khaije|minder | abrotman: apologies, i tuned out when i saw damien's response |
| 20:48.19 | abrotman | khaije|minder: i don't blame you |
| 20:48.27 | khaije|minder | I'm talking about apache style logs (for cherokee) |
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| 20:48.48 | ratsel | I sincerely hope such behavior is the exception and not the norm. |
| 20:49.17 | khaije|minder | i was hoping to find a tool that might also support iis logs, which i think are nsca or ncsa? |
| 20:49.27 | khaije|minder | but thats a secondary priority |
| 20:49.34 | Lunatique | abrotman: aptitude installation has anything to do with postfix ? |
| 20:49.51 | Lunatique | cause when i try to install aptitude it returns error having to do with postfix |
| 20:49.55 | Lunatique | i can pastebin if you want |
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| 20:50.05 | khaije|minder | ratsel: it is far from the norm |
| 20:50.08 | abrotman | Lunatique: that might help |
| 20:50.18 | abrotman | khaije|minder: there are probably commercial apps that do that .. |
| 20:50.30 | abrotman | khaije|minder: but there are many apache log analyzers .. like uhm .. awstats i think is one ? |
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| 20:51.29 | khaije|minder | abrotman: mkay, i'll read up on it... is that console-based, and if not do you have a favorite console-based apache-log analyzer? |
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| 20:52.10 | ratsel | khaije|minder: if I remember correctly, Analog can parse IIS log files. |
| 20:52.11 | abrotman | khaije|minder: ah no .. that generates web stats |
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| 20:52.41 | abrotman | khaije|minder: you're looking for a real time filter of sorts? |
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| 20:53.39 | smugglerinc | I am trying to toy with procmail and upon a simple recipe to send mail directed at 'random' it fails because there is no user random Where would I add the user so that procmail is aware of it? I created a file at /var/mail/random. |
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| 20:54.28 | khaije|minder | ya, i've never used a tool like that so it's difficult to be precise, but yes, something to allow me to recognize pattersn and identify significant detail more quickly |
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| 20:55.19 | un214 | smugglerinc: either you set up an alias or a user |
| 20:55.32 | valdyn | smugglerinc: i dont see where procmail delivers to users at all |
| 20:55.52 | smugglerinc | un214: Thanks. |
| 20:55.52 | smugglerinc | valdyn: Wouldn't it if it were installed as my MTA? |
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| 20:56.39 | jelly-home | smugglerinc: MDA (yes) |
| 20:56.54 | smugglerinc | jelly-home: Thank you for the correction. |
| 20:57.05 | Lunatique | I installed aptitude, but when i try to use the command aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $postfix, i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/c4GvFebG |
| 20:57.07 | un214 | how do I see all debian bugs submitted by me? |
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| 20:57.59 | abrotman | Lunatique: the package is not called "$postfix" |
| 20:58.08 | ansgar | un214: bugs.debian.org/from:foo@example.com |
| 20:58.14 | Lunatique | oh should i remove $ ? |
| 20:58.15 | Lunatique | ;/ |
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| 21:00.49 | Lunatique | now i tried aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall postfix, i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/H2LtH5fg |
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| 21:02.21 | Mark22 | Hello, I get many messages like " postgrey[1132]: segfault at 2339232 ip 00007ffa4d8cee78 sp 00007fffa48f8240 error 4 in libdb-4.8.so[7ffa4d873000+176000]" in my syslog log file. What is the best option to fix this? apt-get --reinstall install libdb-4.8 is something I did already try. The problem started after a apt-get dist-upgrade (lenny -> squeeze) |
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| 21:04.16 | abrotman | Lunatique: and that file really doesn't exist, right ? |
| 21:04.35 | Lunatique | right ;/ |
| 21:04.49 | Lunatique | i accidentaly deleted /etc/postfix |
| 21:04.57 | Lunatique | am I doomed now ? |
| 21:05.21 | Mark22 | Lunatique: how did you install postfix? |
| 21:05.29 | smugglerinc | Lunatique: do you have any config files that need to remain? |
| 21:05.30 | abrotman | Lunatique: no .. you can manually extract the .deb and put those files in place manually |
| 21:05.42 | Mark22 | Lunatique: do you've a backup? |
| 21:05.48 | abrotman | how about i finish helping him? |
| 21:05.52 | Lunatique | no backup :( |
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| 21:05.57 | smugglerinc | abrotman: roger. |
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| 21:06.15 | abrotman | Mark22: is the dist-upgrade 100% finished? |
| 21:06.16 | Lunatique | its her! thanks for the assistance :) |
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| 21:06.45 | Lunatique | abrotman: can you help me i dont know what is the .deb thing ;/ its my new VPS |
| 21:07.09 | abrotman | Lunatique: a) your new VPS shouldn't run running Lenny b) sure! |
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| 21:07.29 | Lunatique | xD |
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| 21:07.55 | abrotman | Lunatique: cd /tmp/;wget http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.5.5-1.1+lenny1_i386.deb |
| 21:08.02 | abrotman | let me know when it's done downloading |
| 21:08.11 | un214 | grrr |
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| 21:08.29 | un214 | installed iceweasel-6.0 to test for bugfix and it overwrote stock setting of firefox is default |
| 21:08.40 | un214 | s/stock/previously set/ |
| 21:08.44 | Lunatique | abrotman: downloaded and saved |
| 21:08.45 | Mark22 | abrotman: yes, but first it failed with a problem regarding pdns-recursor (as a config option isn't used anymore, after commenting that option in the config the dist-upgrade did finish) |
| 21:09.04 | abrotman | Mark22: is your postgrey compiled or a debian package? |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | Lunatique: mkdir postfix; mv *.deb postfix/; cd postfix/; ar x postfix_2.5.5-1.1+lenny1_i386.deb |
| 21:09.34 | Mark22 | abrotman: debian package (where possible I use debian packages as they are normally very stable) |
| 21:09.36 | abrotman | Lunatique: let me know when you're done |
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| 21:10.01 | Lunatique | abrotman: done. now i am in folder postfix |
| 21:10.32 | abrotman | Lunatique: if oyu do an 'ls' .. you see a data.tar.gz, right? do a tar -zxf data.tar.gz .. then do an ls .. you sohuld see an etc/ dir .. right ? |
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| 21:11.20 | Lunatique | abrotman: correct |
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| 21:11.41 | abrotman | Lunatique: so .. cd etc/postfix ... do an ls .. see the postfix-script file ? |
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| 21:12.21 | Lunatique | abrotman: i do |
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| 21:12.49 | abrotman | Lunatique: cp postfix-script /etc/postfix/ .. then try to reinstall postfix again |
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| 21:14.23 | Lunatique | abrotman: i got http://pastebin.com/cLA27zJu |
| 21:14.26 | thewanderer1 | Mark22: is the whole system up to date? are all required libraries for postgrey present? (ldd). you can also run it with strace and check what it's trying to do. I'm not sure about how to get a stack trace, though. |
| 21:14.48 | abrotman | Lunatique: same with that file also |
| 21:15.26 | Lunatique | abrotman: what do you mean? pardon my lack of knowlege ;/ |
| 21:15.42 | abrotman | Lunatique: different file is also missing |
| 21:15.59 | Lunatique | oh |
| 21:16.28 | webad_13 | any chance I can monotor bandwidth per host in my network, using a dedicated server with debian on it? is there a tool that would do it. I know that iftop does this but for a specific interface that is on the server - which would not account for the traffic that does not pass thorugh the server |
| 21:17.02 | Mark22 | thewanderer1: looking at ldd for postgrey at this moment (I'm looking for the dynamic executable) |
| 21:17.46 | un214 | anybody remember the vulnerablility awhile back where ldd (exe) would run arbitrary code as the user who ran ldd |
| 21:17.47 | Mark22 | webad_13: can you install something on all servers or monitor things using data from switches (SNMP is possible) |
| 21:17.55 | Lunatique | abrotman: will you kill me if i ask which? ^^ (sorr for wasting your time like that ;/ ) |
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| 21:18.51 | abrotman | Lunatique: cp /tmp/postfix/etc/postfix/post-install /etc/postfix/ |
| 21:19.03 | Lunatique | did it |
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| 21:19.10 | Lunatique | now try again ? |
| 21:19.13 | thewanderer1 | webad_13: see darkstat package. similar to ntop, but in Squeeze and lighter. |
| 21:19.27 | sam12345 | hello everybody. Someone have tried to "dist-upgrade" a debian sid install? |
| 21:19.48 | valdyn | !tell sam12345 -about ask |
| 21:20.00 | un214 | yes but not me |
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| 21:20.16 | sam12345 | it seems xorg is broken :-/ |
| 21:20.26 | valdyn | !tell sam12345 -about sid faq |
| 21:20.29 | un214 | tried to forse vesa yet? |
| 21:20.29 | JordiGH | sam12345: dist-upgrade is obsolete, and yes, people have attempted to upgrade to a debian sid install from squeeze or wheezy. |
| 21:20.39 | webad_13 | Mark22: installing something on every computer is not an option for now... but it might be the case that I need to do it that way. A lot of traffic is comming wirelessly |
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| 21:20.54 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH: what has dist-upgrade been obsoleted by? sounds crazy O.o |
| 21:21.02 | abrotman | webad_13: use ntop |
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| 21:21.09 | un214 | ok whoever did that was stupid |
| 21:21.12 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: but ntop is not in Squeeze anymore? |
| 21:21.15 | valdyn | the name was changed, not the behaviour, see aptitude full-upgrade |
| 21:21.20 | abrotman | thewanderer1: so freaking what? |
| 21:21.22 | Mark22 | webad_13: check if you can monitor ports on switches/routers/etc. |
| 21:21.23 | sam12345 | un214: no. Just cannot install the metapackage. It says "Cannot find xserver-xorg" |
| 21:21.26 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you can't backport it? |
| 21:21.41 | Lunatique | abrotman: i did cp /tmp/postfix/etc/postfix/post-install /etc/postfix/ |
| 21:21.42 | un214 | ok try apt-get install xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-vesa |
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| 21:21.44 | abrotman | thewanderer1: also, see backports |
| 21:21.52 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: oh, right. I just suggested darkstat because it's readily available and also happens to be light :P |
| 21:22.09 | JordiGH | thewanderer1: It's now called full-upgrade, and dist-upgrade doesn't actually do what its name says. |
| 21:22.11 | abrotman | webad_13: if you have a managed switch, and you can mirror all ports ot the system running ntop, you can monitor all hosts |
| 21:22.19 | valdyn | sam12345: this is common in sid, that is why you dont dist-upgrade when it removes stuff you need |
| 21:22.38 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH: oh, ok, I thought you were talking about apt-get |
| 21:22.55 | JordiGH | thewanderer1: The upgrade path isn't tested for apt-get, so that's also obsolete. |
| 21:23.01 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's not obsoleted |
| 21:23.17 | JordiGH | The Debian release notes talk about aptitude everywhere I read. |
| 21:23.19 | webad_13 | thewanderer1: darkstat seems promising |
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| 21:23.35 | JordiGH | Did they undeprecate apt-get? It was certainly deprecated for lenny or squeeze. |
| 21:23.45 | un214 | given that I have found every other upgrade path as odd issues over the years that dist-upgrade doesn't have I would seriously want to pound the head in of whoever dares to obsolete dist-upgrade |
| 21:23.56 | abrotman | JordiGH: you should read more release notes apparently |
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| 21:24.02 | Mark22 | thewanderer1: everything I can check using ldd looks normal/correct (at least nothing is missing) |
| 21:24.03 | jelly-home | JordiGH: reference or it didn't happen! |
| 21:24.10 | sauvin | doesn't give a damn and continues to use apt-get |
| 21:24.15 | valdyn | un214: the obsolete applies to the name only, not to the functionality |
| 21:24.18 | JordiGH | The lenny release notes talked about aptitude, not apt-get. |
| 21:24.19 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH: it was just recommended to use because of dependency resolution somewhere around Etch or Lenny, but for Lenny->Squeeze apt-get was the preferred solution I think |
| 21:25.05 | valdyn | un214: and theres no "other" upgrade path |
| 21:25.30 | un214 | ubuntu was famous for special upgrade paths for each release->release that were always glitchy |
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| 21:26.23 | sam12345 | well i'll try to reinstall everything. 'cause with aptitute install xserver-xorg-core and vesa, with startx it says "Cannot find /usr/bin/X" |
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| 21:26.46 | valdyn | sam12345: you should not be using sid. |
| 21:26.50 | un214 | /usr/bin/X won't exist yet |
| 21:27.00 | un214 | however the vesa binary is installed |
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| 21:27.07 | un214 | do find /usr -name 'X*' |
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| 21:28.32 | sam12345 | un214: ok, but when i installed for the first time "X", aptitude install xorg worked without problems? |
| 21:29.32 | un214 | looks like the binary you wand is /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 21:30.11 | valdyn | un214: its safe to assume that when his startx wants X its just X and not something else that it needs |
| 21:30.22 | un214 | launching it as root should yield an X server |
| 21:30.32 | un214 | valdyn: you are correct |
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| 21:31.17 | un214 | however it would be better to get a workaround that gets some X up than not at all |
| 21:31.56 | valdyn | im not sure about that when that workaround involves using X as root |
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| 21:32.44 | un214 | I usually find it paramount to get some X up so I can start firefox and use google to find out what exactly is wrong |
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| 21:33.16 | valdyn | sam12345: dont let our argueing stop you, you have the choice: reinstall or work around issues as suggested, whatever you want |
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| 21:34.33 | un214 | either way, if /usr/bin/X fails to exist or apt-get install Xserver-xorg fails to create /usr/bin/X you probably need to file a bug |
| 21:34.44 | valdyn | un214: no |
| 21:34.56 | valdyn | un214: this is sid, packages are in transition all the time |
| 21:34.56 | un214 | really? |
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| 21:35.31 | valdyn | un214: he has no X packages and older X packages conflicting |
| 21:35.44 | valdyn | un214: in a completely common and typical manner for sid |
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| 21:35.52 | n-iCe | hi a small problem here, I install chrome-estbable.deb and works fine, but after reboot the icon and the menu item dissapear, any idea what can be happening? I need to re-install to make it work |
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| 21:36.10 | valdyn | un214: same as I do have here, except im not stupid enough to dist-upgrade |
| 21:36.39 | webad_13 | abrotman: sorry to be a pain, but what is the usuall setup if I want to monitor the traffic... I suppose I need something that I will channel all the traffic thorugh to be able to monitor it (this is only router for now)... I have a switch (which I don't use atm), not sure if it is a managed one. The setup is: ADSL modem ----> Router----> WDS node 1 + WDS node 2. Server is on one of the ports of the router |
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| 21:37.05 | tarfart | ih |
| 21:37.07 | tarfart | !ati |
| 21:37.08 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:37.09 | abrotman | WDS? you have to see if you can mirror traffic generally |
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| 21:39.08 | un214 | is there a place to read the latest man page for apt in sid? |
| 21:39.08 | valdyn | webad_13: your router has to do the monitoring, is that your plan? |
| 21:39.14 | webad_13 | abrotman: I'm using ddwrt, and most likely I could go around making a script for per user bandwith on the router itself... but I think I'd need jjfs for it, which I don't atm |
| 21:39.29 | webad_13 | valdyn: well I'd like to avoid that |
| 21:39.32 | valdyn | un214: umm? why do you think the manpage changed? |
| 21:39.47 | webad_13 | valdyn: ideally I'd like server, attached to the router to do the monitoring |
| 21:40.06 | abrotman | webad_13: can ddwrt mirror all traffic to your server? |
| 21:40.52 | un214 | because they are saying dist-upgrade is obsolete by full-upgrade and my man page doesn't list it |
| 21:41.04 | valdyn | webad_13: thats even more work for your router than your router doing the monitoring |
| 21:41.04 | valdyn | un214: thats only in aptitude i think |
| 21:41.29 | valdyn | un214: and its really irrelevant, its just a name that changes... |
| 21:41.48 | webad_13 | abrotman: would be good if it could... I'm not sure how to go about it - I'll google if someone has done it before.. don't think there is inbuilt function for this |
| 21:42.21 | un214 | anyway I've got this weird crash in X only when console has focus (or so it seems) |
| 21:42.23 | webad_13 | valdyn: u r correct about that - but it would take me so much more to set up jjfs |
| 21:42.30 | E3D3 | Hi all, I just made the decision to leave ALL Ubuntu/Canonical software although I'm happy with Linux Mint. What Debian-version do you advise (no Mint Debian) to have the same non-commercial OS & quality ? |
| 21:42.33 | un214 | what's a good way to get capture so it can be reported well? |
| 21:42.36 | valdyn | webad_13: why ? |
| 21:42.55 | valdyn | webad_13: you can monitor on the router and immediately send resulty to the server |
| 21:43.00 | abrotman | E3D3: this channel is for Debian, not Mint |
| 21:43.04 | valdyn | *results* |
| 21:43.47 | webad_13 | valdyn: I have wrt300n which does not have it inbuilt storage capacity, so I'd have to use network storage of some sort or take apart the router to set up memory card slot |
| 21:43.59 | jelly-home | E3D3: well, there's only one Debian release so there's not much to choose from |
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| 21:44.07 | E3D3 | abrotman: Please read my question carefully or maybe should I redefine it; I'm asking for a Debian-version |
| 21:44.21 | valdyn | webad_13: theres plenty ways to directly send monitoring logs to the server |
| 21:44.31 | E3D3 | jelly-home: Okay, that make my question silly. Thanks. |
| 21:44.42 | abrotman | E3D3: then just use Squeeze, the current stable release |
| 21:44.57 | webad_13 | valdyn: but where to keep the script (ram?) |
| 21:45.28 | valdyn | webad_13: wherever you want... |
| 21:45.38 | E3D3 | abrotman: Sorry for asking the wrong question. It just because I have seen so many Debian-derivates. Thanks |
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| 21:45.54 | valdyn | E3D3: squeeze. |
| 21:45.56 | owen1 | i have debian squeeze on macbook. i can paste using a mouse but would like to do it with the touchpad(three fingers) or the keys. any tips? |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | E3D3: i misread, my fault |
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| 21:48.27 | thewanderer1 | owen1: I remember that on my touchpad, the corners (right top and right bottom) worked as right and middle button, maybe try that. also, if your touchpad has 2 buttons (don't know about Macs), pressing them at once should simulate the middle button. |
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| 21:49.18 | Mark22 | FYI: after manually upgrading postgrey to version 1.34 (from source, by replacing a few files) everything seems to work correctly |
| 21:49.18 | valdyn | owen1: you can try gpointing-device-settings |
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| 21:51.31 | owen1 | thewanderer1: mac touchpad has no buttons, but thanks. |
| 21:51.37 | owen1 | valdyn: looking into this. |
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| 21:54.08 | E3D3 | What about Knoppix, grml etc ? Are they taboo in here ? Or is Squeeze superior to all ? |
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| 21:54.35 | abrotman | E3D3: this channel is for Debian .. not things based on debian |
| 21:55.09 | E3D3 | abrotman: Sorry again. |
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| 22:01.15 | E3D3 | I just began with a LVM and like to continue with Debian on it ( & then delete the first OS). Are there some issues with it (beside that I'm a beginner with LVM) ? |
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| 22:02.15 | vlt | E3D3: You need to install pkg lvm2 to make initrd be aware of lvm. |
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| 22:06.23 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 22:06.58 | mah454 | /sbin/hotplug is a command ? |
| 22:07.04 | E3D3 | vlt: Okay. I just found this for help: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/16/manual-lvm-configuration-guide-for-debian-6/ & also see that Squeeze = version 6 so I have a nice start. |
| 22:07.36 | owen1 | valdyn: gpointing-device-settinsg shows me 3 mouses - generic, unnamed and virtualbox usb tablet. i checked all 3 to 'use middle mouse emulation'. i tried hitting 3 fingers but nothing happend. should i restart or is it not 3 fingers to paste? |
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| 22:09.09 | abrotman | E3D3: debian.org/doc/ has the installation guide, which covers that |
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| 22:09.46 | E3D3 | Does have Squeeze commercial things installed like an Amazon-shop in its media-player or a buy option in its default software repository ? |
| 22:10.17 | abrotman | you mean in banshee? |
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| 22:10.36 | E3D3 | Yes, or maybe in Totem or other app. |
| 22:10.56 | abrotman | i don't tihnk totem has that feature at all |
| 22:10.58 | abrotman | in any OS |
| 22:11.58 | E3D3 | I know I'm to sensitive but for me its a big deal to have a non-commercial workspace at home. |
| 22:12.05 | abrotman | E3D3: i don't see it .. who knows .. i don't use banshee .. but i've seen stuff about it |
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| 22:14.23 | E3D3 | Wow, the Debian.org/doc opens automatically in my language, that's nice. I will spend some time there before I ask another stupid question. Thanks for all & maybe later. |
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| 22:16.25 | ratsel | E3D3: It is probable that neither Banshee nor other players have such a feature out of the box, but there may be plugins that support it. |
| 22:16.42 | Hydroxide | E3D3: yeah, most websites don't pay any attention to your browser language preferences, but they can, and debian's does |
| 22:16.47 | ratsel | For example: http://abock.org/2010/07/13/amazon-mp3-store-in-banshee |
| 22:17.21 | ratsel | A google search also finds an iTunes plugin and other niceties. How mature/usable they are... no idea. |
| 22:18.10 | E3D3 | Hydroxide: I have the experience that translated pages are sometimes not accurate. How can I check the English/orginal version of the Debian-doc with my browser ? |
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| 22:18.57 | abrotman | E3D3: scroll to the bottom, change your language |
| 22:19.32 | E3D3 | abrotman: Right, who can guess my hair-color ? |
| 22:19.46 | abrotman | E3D3: the guy who cracked your webcam? :) |
| 22:20.10 | E3D3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:20.48 | un214 | go ahead try cracking my webcam |
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| 22:21.42 | E3D3 | I just looked IF I have a webcam, I was never interested in it. But they don't make them so tiny or do they ...? |
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| 22:22.28 | E3D3 | un214: What is your brand ? |
| 22:22.52 | un214 | I've forgotten |
| 22:23.03 | E3D3 | wait & I tell you |
| 22:23.11 | E3D3 | Just joking |
| 22:23.13 | un214 | no brand Identifier on the device itself |
| 22:23.17 | E3D3 | Iḿ a noob |
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| 22:23.32 | E3D3 | that sometimes abuse default tools |
| 22:23.36 | un214 | that'll take some doing E3D3 since it's currently in my parts box with no power |
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| 22:24.19 | E3D3 | Long ago I was a binairy man that liked to skip protocols. |
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| 22:24.28 | somiaj | E3D3: lots of laptops will have a webcam hiding right above the screen, yes they are tiny. |
| 22:24.34 | thogar | using lxrandr for my headless rig, the resolution saves but it scales weird when i vnc into it, it has black borders? |
| 22:24.59 | thogar | i think it may be the client tbh |
| 22:25.11 | E3D3 | I have to check my own hardware. |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | thogar: try changing your resolution from within VNC |
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| 22:27.58 | thogar | hmm works now |
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| 22:36.43 | Onryo | Why was squsahsf removed from Debian. I am rolling a live-distro and need to squeeze as much as I can on a CD |
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| 22:37.24 | un214 | well I suppose you could untar into a ramdrive |
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| 22:37.38 | Onryo | How does Debian Live compress the FS? |
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| 22:38.28 | Onryo | I know the aufs-modules are not in Debian but what about unionfs-modules? |
| 22:38.29 | un214 | it's also possible to implement such a thing as a userspace filesystem now |
| 22:38.38 | javier_Col | buenas |
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| 22:39.58 | Onryo | I really need to compile the kernel with aufs moduels or unionfs modules. Thing is that I only want to do this the "Debian way" |
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| 22:42.42 | Onryo | What I have put together is the best of TAILs, BT5 tools and the Debian. This is 100 FOSS from kernel to userland. Now I need to rool it. |
| 22:42.47 | Onryo | roll it* |
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| 22:43.18 | MrWax | any dovecot users around here? |
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| 22:43.41 | Onryo | But there are a few ways to do that. Normally a tool like remastersys using squashfs and aufs is the way. Like I said I want to do this the Deb way |
| 22:43.49 | abrotman | MrWax: ask your real question or try #dovecot |
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| 22:44.01 | Onryo | So any input would be appreciated. |
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| 22:44.11 | un214 | dovecot is the local name of thunderbird |
| 22:44.58 | Onryo | Is there anybody here that actually has rolled a debian dist??? |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | this is #debian .. we tend to support Debian, not stuff based on Debian .. |
| 22:45.29 | un214 | me |
| 22:45.32 | un214 | and it didn't work |
| 22:45.35 | abrotman | I think it's expected if you try to roll your own stuff, you are capable of reading docs etc |
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| 22:45.57 | abrotman | (and not using the wrong channels for technical support) |
| 22:46.19 | smhar | how can I tell exactly the type of memory module installed in my computer, aside from physically opening the computer? |
| 22:46.29 | abrotman | smhar: hwinfo might do it |
| 22:46.29 | MrWax | can anyone help me, i keep getting the error dovecot: auth(default): Fatal: Socket already exists: /var/run/dovecot/auth-master |
| 22:46.33 | MrWax | even though I remove it |
| 22:46.43 | abrotman | MrWax: when doing what? |
| 22:46.51 | Onryo | ...emmm in this case a Linux/Gnu all the same abrotman your right. The reason I am not doing this is OpenBSD is because Debian is the most flexible and imho best OS around. |
| 22:46.58 | abrotman | Onryo: have you read live.debian.net ? |
| 22:47.20 | abrotman | Onryo: that doesn't make it on-topic for #debian .. you're creating *another* distro based-on-debian .. we don't support the others either |
| 22:47.29 | MrWax | abrotman: starting dovecot |
| 22:47.54 | mah454 | How can i disable system beep sound ? |
| 22:48.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mah454 about bell |
| 22:48.05 | Onryo | abrotman yes I have. I was wondering thought if that supported squashfs? |
| 22:48.27 | abrotman | Onryo: you're *not* using Debian |
| 22:48.51 | un214 | I think Onryo is trying to make a packageset that is debian by my definition of using debian repositories for all non-meta-packages |
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| 22:49.17 | abrotman | un214: read his original quesiton again .. he's made his own distro .. it's *not* Debian |
| 22:49.28 | Onryo | u214 yes I am only using the debian repos for this and only main |
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| 22:50.42 | Onryo | abrotman many of the tools in the other live CDs can be found in debians repos. I am only using them. |
| 22:51.43 | abrotman | doesn't make them debian either |
| 22:52.01 | nezZario | Hmmm |
| 22:52.07 | nezZario | Finally have some time to play with Debian |
| 22:52.13 | nezZario | I'm a newbie to deb |
| 22:52.28 | nezZario | enjoying aptitude so far though |
| 22:52.42 | nezZario | former BSD extremist here |
| 22:53.08 | nezZario | binary only is a little odd to me, but it's pretty similar to pkgsrc on netbsd..but..aside from binary only...possibly better |
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| 22:53.57 | Onryo | abrotman A philosophical question is "what is debian" Linux/GNU that is pure FOSS? Would this be a custom version of Squeeze? |
| 22:54.25 | abrotman | squeeze's kernel has no blobs unless you put them there .. sorry you wasted your time |
| 22:54.27 | Hydroxide | nezZario: the repositories offer source too (apt-get source packagename), but that simply downloads the source, and is separate from installation |
| 22:55.24 | abrotman | provided you have your deb-src lines |
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| 22:56.00 | Hydroxide | right. if not you an add them by copying your "deb" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and making the second copy say "deb-src" then apt-get/aptitude update |
| 22:56.03 | smhar | can I make grep show 3 lines above the line that contains my grep word? |
| 22:56.16 | abrotman | smhar: there's a way to have it do something like that .. yes |
| 22:56.19 | Hydroxide | smhar: yes, use the -B 3 or --before=3 option |
| 22:56.43 | smhar | thanks abrotman , Hydroxide |
| 22:56.46 | Hydroxide | -B 3 or --before-context=3 technically, but either should work |
| 22:57.05 | Hydroxide | GNU options are highly abbreviable |
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| 22:58.04 | gnarface | howdy people. can someone help me remember how to install grub on a new drive (that i just copied my entire install to) ? |
| 22:58.20 | gnarface | i thought it was just grub-install --recheck [device node] |
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| 22:58.42 | gnarface | it appears to work when i run it but when i reboot it says "file not found" twice when loading grub then gives up and goes to the old drive |
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| 22:58.47 | gnarface | wtf am i forgetting? |
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| 22:58.56 | un214 | I got seriously annoyed with grub |
| 22:59.14 | un214 | and dumped it for lilo |
| 22:59.16 | gnarface | :( |
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| 22:59.31 | abrotman | gnarface: did you update-grub also ? |
| 22:59.35 | thogar | hmm the remote desktop window always opens at startup? i can connect but iono why it opens everytime |
| 22:59.50 | nvz | JordiGH: ping |
| 22:59.58 | gnarface | abrotman: no... do i do that before or after? |
| 23:00.07 | abrotman | before |
| 23:00.16 | gnarface | should this involve chrooting? |
| 23:00.19 | Hydroxide | abrotman: after should work too, right? |
| 23:00.30 | Hydroxide | abrotman: because it happens every package update |
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| 23:00.45 | Hydroxide | *every kernel update |
| 23:00.56 | gnarface | should i be chrooted into the new drive, or does that not matter? |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 23:01.10 | Hydroxide | gnarface: it should happen from within the newly installed system, with /dev and /proc and /sys available (you can mount --bind /sys /chroot/sys from outside the chroot, and so on) |
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| 23:01.18 | Hydroxide | gnarface: you probably also want to use the grub-install from the new system |
| 23:01.23 | Hydroxide | inside the chroot |
| 23:01.34 | gnarface | hmm. that's what i did. maybe i just need to then run update-grub? |
| 23:01.34 | Hydroxide | though that's less important if it's the same version |
| 23:01.49 | Hydroxide | try it |
| 23:02.27 | JordiGH | nvz: watup |
| 23:02.39 | smhar | how can I know how many pins my RAM is? |
| 23:02.40 | JordiGH | nvz: Btw, just had a couple of lovely games with my backported thing. |
| 23:03.44 | smhar | lshow shows it is a DIMM1 DDR2 and 1Gib and 64bits width |
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| 23:04.39 | SerajewelKS | is there anyway to force that, when new files/dirs are created in a specific directory, they should be created with g+rwX? |
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| 23:04.53 | un214 | no |
| 23:04.54 | gnarface | Hydroxide, abrotman thanks for the reminder. gonna reboot to see if it worked. brb with a question about why the fuck the drives don't ever come up in the same order as they did on the prior boot |
| 23:04.57 | SerajewelKS | to go hand-in-hand with setgid. setgid is basically useless if the group permissions are not properly set. |
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| 23:05.04 | un214 | no way to force X except formatted with fat32 |
| 23:05.07 | SerajewelKS | requiring umask 002 seems like a rather heavy-handed approach |
| 23:05.22 | un214 | g+rw can be forced by sgid on the parent dir |
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| 23:06.02 | SerajewelKS | un214: i though that just forced g+s and group ownership, not g+w |
| 23:06.09 | SerajewelKS | un214: g+X is execute on directories only |
| 23:06.16 | SerajewelKS | thought* |
| 23:06.20 | nvz | JordiGH: I failed to backport.. heh |
| 23:06.24 | un214 | in which case I think it works |
| 23:06.27 | Hydroxide | technically g+X is execute where some execute permission already exists |
| 23:06.32 | Hydroxide | including executable binary files |
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| 23:07.07 | nvz | JordiGH: first after doing what you said, dpkg-deb was looking for DEBIAN/ rather than debian/ so I renamed it.. then it said there was an error in the control file no package name or something.. all I did was remove that one line |
| 23:07.10 | SerajewelKS | un214: setgid does not force g+w, it only forces g+s and group ownership. i just tested. |
| 23:07.17 | un214 | oh darn |
| 23:07.34 | SerajewelKS | and i really don't want to require any specific umask |
| 23:07.53 | Hydroxide | nvz: DEBIAN/ is from binary debian packages; debian/ is from source debian packages. renaming them totally won't turn one into the other. I didn't see the rest of the context, but I can say that much. |
| 23:07.54 | JordiGH | nvz: dpkg-deb? |
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| 23:08.05 | gnarface | Hydroxide, abrotman well it was a good try. it found all my kernels when i ran it and claimed to install them but the boot behavior was unchanged. it still says "file not found" twice in bold white under the "loading GRUB..." (reverse text) line and then gives up and boots from the IDE drive |
| 23:08.18 | nvz | JordiGH: idk wth I'm suppose to use.. I only know simple sid backport and kernel-package.. heh |
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| 23:09.16 | Hydroxide | gnarface: you could try taking a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg on the new drive and see what files its looking for and then see which ones don't exist. that grub.cfg is generated by update-grub |
| 23:09.28 | MrWax | can anyone help me, i keep getting the error dovecot: auth(default): Fatal: Socket already exists: /var/run/dovecot/auth-master |
| 23:09.35 | gnarface | Hydroxide: this is all grub2 right? |
| 23:09.40 | Hydroxide | yeah |
| 23:09.41 | MrWax | (this happens when starting dovecot on debian) |
| 23:09.42 | nvz | Hydroxide: apparently I used the wrong tool to build or something... dpkg-deb must assume its compiled alreadh |
| 23:09.50 | JordiGH | nvz: (1) Get the unstable hedgewars source (3) Install liblua5.1-0-dev (2) edit debian/control to remove the utf8 build-dep (2a) optionally edit debian/changelog to mark this as your own version (3) run dpkg-buildpackage from the top directory (4) install the resulting debs drinking señoritas banging margaritas. |
| 23:10.07 | un214 | SerajewelKS: you could use a script from cron as root to force |
| 23:10.16 | un214 | beware of security attacks if you do |
| 23:10.24 | Hydroxide | nvz: dpkg-deb is a tool to work with binary debian packages, so yes. |
| 23:10.25 | nvz | JordiGH: ah, dpkg-buildpackage.. |
| 23:10.32 | SerajewelKS | un214: yes, i'm hoping to avoid any cron hacks |
| 23:10.45 | JordiGH | wtf happened to my numbering there? |
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| 23:11.10 | nvz | JordiGH: I dont see anything wrong with it |
| 23:11.21 | gnarface | Hydroxide: i don't exactly know what files its looking for other than the kernels |
| 23:11.36 | un214 | /sbin/init |
| 23:11.44 | Hydroxide | gnarface: this is after looking at grub.cfg? |
| 23:11.47 | JordiGH | (1) (3) (2) (2a) (3) (4) |
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| 23:12.01 | un214 | looks right to me JordiGH |
| 23:12.07 | nvz | JordiGH: ah.. I skipped that part.. heh.. cause I already did all that |
| 23:12.09 | un214 | oh wait |
| 23:12.12 | JordiGH | lolz |
| 23:12.16 | un214 | I red as bad as nvz |
| 23:12.16 | JordiGH | Counting is hard. |
| 23:12.32 | gnarface | Hydroxide: let me rephrase that: its looking for the same goddamned files the main install is. they're all there. isn't there a way to get this thing to print out a freaking log of them verbetim or something? |
| 23:12.34 | JordiGH | I bet nvz didn't read (4) either. |
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| 23:12.54 | nvz | I guess I'm familiarizing more with the debian build tools |
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| 23:13.07 | un214 | I stopped parsing after debs |
| 23:14.07 | gnarface | Hydroxide: set root='(hd1,msdos1)' does hd1 in this context refer to the same drive every time, or if they sometimes sda and sdb differently, would that screw with grub's numbering too? |
| 23:14.51 | Hydroxide | gnarface: I think hd1 is the second bios drive. it shouldn't be dependent on linux's views on the matter |
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| 23:15.24 | nvz | JordiGH: the only reason I'd see to change the version number is if we ran with your idea of getting these on backports |
| 23:15.27 | gnarface | Hydroxide: is there a way to list what they're seen as right now? |
| 23:15.37 | un214 | no |
| 23:15.46 | nvz | JordiGH: cause you made the amd64 and I'm making the i386 |
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| 23:15.53 | Hydroxide | gnarface: well, you're in linux, so not exactly ... but take a look at /boot/grub/device.map to see what the tools running in linux think grub will see |
| 23:16.07 | Hydroxide | gnarface: if it's referencing the wrong drive, change hd1 to hd0 or whatever |
| 23:16.18 | Hydroxide | and fix device.map too |
| 23:16.42 | JordiGH | nvz: No, it's useful for other reasons, e.g. if they bring down another version down from unstable due to a bugfix or whatever. You have a different version than the Debian packagings, so you should give it a different nummber. It helps a little. It's minor housekeeping. |
| 23:16.47 | streuner | !be reading barbie |
| 23:16.47 | dpkg | But reading is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 23:17.07 | Hydroxide | gnarface: not sure why you were using the --recheck option ... it might be related to this issue arising. or not. I'm not very familiar with it. |
| 23:17.52 | gnarface | Hydroxide: because i'm trying to install grub onto a drive i just copied my entire install to. after this failed the first 3 times time i added --recheck because i thought maybe it wasn't noting that it was on a new drive |
| 23:17.56 | nvz | I wonder why we still say i386. when technically it i486 |
| 23:18.07 | Hydroxide | gnarface: is it still on partition 1 of the new drive? |
| 23:18.08 | gnarface | Hydroxide: all i'm trying to do is move my install to a new drive, then switch that one to the primary. |
| 23:18.24 | gnarface | Hydroxide: no, the entire partition structure is replicated on the new drive |
| 23:18.32 | un214 | It's compiled for i686 anyway |
| 23:18.40 | Hydroxide | gnarface: I mean what was formerly partition 1 is still partition 1 on the new drive? |
| 23:18.51 | Hydroxide | and it's still msdos partitions, not gpt |
| 23:18.52 | Hydroxide | ? |
| 23:18.58 | gnarface | Hydroxide: yes i lined the partitions up identically additionally the old drive is PATA and the new one is SATA (and much larger) |
| 23:19.12 | nezZario | any idea why all of the sudden my ssh terminals are acting funny? |
| 23:19.23 | nezZario | looks like its trying to give me utf8 or something |
| 23:19.23 | gnarface | Hydroxide: hmm. good question on the gpt thing. i used gparted |
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| 23:19.28 | nvz | nezZario: are they tellng jokes? |
| 23:19.48 | Hydroxide | gnarface: if fdisk -l /dev/thedrive shows the partition, it's msdos - fdisk doesn't support gpt |
| 23:20.58 | gnarface | Hydroxide: yes, it works. its msdos. gparted's info panel also confirms this. |
| 23:21.05 | Hydroxide | ok. |
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| 23:21.29 | Hydroxide | well, you could try swapping in hd0 for hd1 and reboting :) |
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| 23:21.55 | Hydroxide | once you're running from the installed system, redo the grub-install --recheck and the update-grub (in that order) |
| 23:21.59 | boudiccas | nezZario; define 'acting funny' please? |
| 23:22.20 | nezZario | no, it appears some stuff is being formatted as utf8 when my client doesn't understand it |
| 23:22.37 | Hydroxide | also, if /etc/fstab references things by UUID or label instead of by /dev/sda or /dev/hda or whatever, it shouldn't matter which ones shows up with which drive name |
| 23:22.52 | Hydroxide | that can depend on which modules get loaded when, which can be somewhat uncertain with udev |
| 23:23.02 | gnarface | Hydroxide: so help me understand something here... hd0 is the pata drive now, because i'm booted into it (its also sdb right now but that seems to flip-flop randomly) |
| 23:23.03 | nezZario | as well as aptitude .. hard to explain without making a small video .. when I go DOWN it appears the area above the 'cursor' is not being updated |
| 23:23.16 | nezZario | it's odd because this wasn't happenning day before yesterday when I fresh installed the box |
| 23:23.21 | nezZario | same shell, same user, etc |
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| 23:23.31 | Hydroxide | gnarface: hd0 is the pata drive? how do you know? |
| 23:23.48 | Hydroxide | linux drive names don't have numbers in them |
| 23:23.57 | boudiccas | nezZario; what do you mean by 'go DOWN' ? |
| 23:24.27 | Hydroxide | hda/hdb/etc is what some versions of linux call PATA drives; sda/sdb/etc is what all versions of linux call SATA drives and some versions of linux call PATA drives |
| 23:24.28 | gnarface | Hydroxide: because hd0 is what it says in its grub.cfg |
| 23:24.45 | Hydroxide | hd0 and hd1 are grub terminology, independent of hda and hdb and sda and sdb and so on |
| 23:25.04 | Hydroxide | two separate naming schemes |
| 23:25.20 | Hydroxide | one depends primarily on the bios, one depends on linux drivers and their choices |
| 23:25.31 | nezZario | like I said, it's kind of hard to explain |
| 23:25.41 | Hydroxide | (the grub one is the bios-dependent one, if I didn't make that clear) |
| 23:25.56 | gnarface | Hydroxide: i get that. but you're missing something important; i've been booting from the PATA drive for about 5 or 6 years before i plugged in the SATA drive. i can't boot from the sata drive no matter what i do to the bios, but the grub.cfg from the pata drive says hd0 |
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| 23:26.00 | nezZario | say i'm in aptitude, from my ssh client, when I'm moving down/up on packages, essentially the screen isn't being updated properly (the "rest" of the screen) |
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| 23:26.32 | nvz | I had installed a third party package which is no longer installed yet everytime dpkg runs it bitches about invalid characters in that packages version string in the status and available files.. is there a way short of manual hacking of those files to get rid of that? |
| 23:26.54 | somiaj | nvz: have you tried apt-get -f install? |
| 23:26.55 | gnarface | Hydroxide: so help me understand how its possible that the pata drive i'm talking to you through this very minute, which just booted using a grub.cfg containing 'hd0' in every clause, not 'hd1' could end up NOT being hd0 |
| 23:27.28 | somiaj | nvz: if you try to dpkg --purge <pkg name> it says not intalled, maybe there is a funky character in the name making it hard to idenitfy/find |
| 23:27.36 | nezZario | here, a screenshot might help |
| 23:27.36 | Hydroxide | gnarface: I'm not missing anything, I don't think. the question I have is, when you tell your bios to boot off of the sata drive, and then grub asks the bios what the drives are in what order, what does the bios tell that copy of grub. it's possible that your bios tells it that whatever's first in the boot order, or whatever is booting at the moment, is hd0. I dunno. |
| 23:27.52 | boudiccas | nvz; have you tried autoremove? |
| 23:28.04 | Hydroxide | gnarface: also, it might help if you go to paste.debian.net, put a copy of your grub.cfg there, and give the URL here |
| 23:28.34 | nvz | boudiccas: that does nothing, and the package was removed a long time ago.. its info just still lingers |
| 23:28.58 | somiaj | nvz: did your purge it, sometimes the package is not removed but the config files are still sticking around. |
| 23:28.59 | gnarface | Hydroxide: if i edit my grub.cfg manually, do i have to re-run anything? or is it automatically read on boot right from disk? |
| 23:29.05 | Hydroxide | nvz: have you tried dpkg --purge packaganame |
| 23:29.13 | Hydroxide | gnarface: unlike lilo, grub actually reads grub.cfg from the disk at boot time |
| 23:29.22 | Hydroxide | update-grub just changes that file |
| 23:29.25 | nvz | Hydroxide: doing that now |
| 23:29.27 | Hydroxide | (regenerates it) |
| 23:29.33 | adminewb | idk what script is used to hibernate from xfce / debian 6.0.2, but something's amiss: http://paste.debian.net/127693/ |
| 23:29.55 | gnarface | Hydroxide: ok, let me try it. maybe i'm the one who's missing something here |
| 23:30.21 | Hydroxide | I'm not trying to assign blame... seeing the whole grub.cfg will help me see if something else might be the issue |
| 23:30.26 | Hydroxide | but, sure, try it first if you want |
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| 23:31.10 | nezZario | http://oi56.tinypic.com/2yoopau.jpg |
| 23:31.12 | nezZario | check that out |
| 23:31.13 | nezZario | wtf? |
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| 23:32.47 | nezZario | there we go |
| 23:32.55 | nezZario | changed it to utf8 on the client side and all seems well |
| 23:33.58 | nvz | somiaj: Hydroxide well that didn't work.. I did all of -f install dpkg --purge, autoremove.. etc |
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| 23:34.16 | nvz | I know manual hacking will work but thats messy I thought maybe there was an easier way.. |
| 23:34.39 | nvz | it did get rid of the status error |
| 23:34.43 | adminewb | hibernate? ^ |
| 23:34.52 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 23:34.54 | nvz | but this remains "warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 41573 package 'virtualbox-3.1': error in Version string '3.1.6-59338_Debian_lenny': invalid character in revision number |
| 23:35.14 | nvz | that package is ancient and I def dont want it anymore.. and its been purged |
| 23:35.26 | Hydroxide | nvz: try dpkg --update-avail |
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| 23:36.10 | nvz | it says it takes a package file as an argument? would that be /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 23:36.30 | MrWax | before I want to use vnc to connect to my dedicated server, i need to have a desktop environment installed right? any recommendable one? |
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| 23:36.33 | gnarface | Hydroxide: nope, no luck. pastebining the grub.cnf |
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| 23:37.14 | Hydroxide | nvz: no, it'd be one of the files from /var/lib/apt/lists ending in Packages |
| 23:37.27 | adminewb | I need some hibernate help: http://paste.debian.net/127693/ |
| 23:37.59 | Hydroxide | nvz: if you have more than one that you want to tell dpkg's available file about, use --update-avail for one and --merge-avail for each other one |
| 23:38.18 | Hydroxide | nvz: or truncate the file to zero bytes and use --merge-avail for all if you prefer |
| 23:38.23 | adminewb | I'll presume package pm-utils has some bearing on what's happening |
| 23:38.45 | gnarface | Hydroxide: hmm. does anything write to this grub.cfg on boot? it seems to have changed |
| 23:39.18 | Hydroxide | gnarface: not on boot. maybe /boot/grub/grub.cfg isn't the partition you're expecting? |
| 23:39.50 | gnarface | Hydroxide: not possible. |
| 23:40.01 | Hydroxide | ok. pastebin what you have there. |
| 23:40.06 | Hydroxide | (or paste.debian.net, etc) |
| 23:40.15 | gnarface | Hydroxide: well i found two hd1's in there still that i had not changed to hd0 |
| 23:40.21 | nvz | hmmm.. |
| 23:40.23 | gnarface | Hydroxide: gonna reboot to try it again |
| 23:40.26 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 23:40.33 | gnarface | Hydroxide: maybe i just screwed up my search+replace because i'm furious |
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| 23:40.51 | adminewb | grub often has that effect... |
| 23:41.05 | Hydroxide | so can lilo, tbh. but yes. |
| 23:41.15 | Hydroxide | booting issues in general. |
| 23:41.16 | adminewb | it's the way with boot loaders |
| 23:41.21 | Hydroxide | ya |
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| 23:41.58 | Hydroxide | at least he's not trying to make his system simultaneously bootable via UEFI and BIOS like mine is :-) that took a bit of hacking but it works |
| 23:42.25 | Hydroxide | (yes, with grub2) |
| 23:42.52 | mah454 | hello .... |
| 23:42.56 | adminewb | hibernate aborts on me, falsely claiming it can't access swap, http://paste.debian.net/127693/ |
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| 23:43.28 | lilith | why would you ant to boot uefi and bios at the same time? |
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| 23:43.59 | Hydroxide | lilith: I don't. I just simultanously have my system bootable in both ways. |
| 23:44.03 | mah454 | how can i identify webcam model ? |
| 23:44.20 | streuner | lsusb? |
| 23:44.37 | adminewb | mah454, or maybe lspci -nn? |
| 23:44.39 | gnarface | Hydroxide: thanks so much for your help. switching hd1 to hd0 in the grub.cfg worked; i just missed 2 of them on the first try. now could you possibly help me understand how to do this right so next time i don't have to manually edit my grub.cfg? |
| 23:45.19 | Hydroxide | gnarface: ok. are you booted into the new drive now? |
| 23:45.26 | gnarface | Hydroxide: yes, df confirms it |
| 23:46.10 | Hydroxide | gnarface: ok. does your /boot/grub/device.map refer to drives by things like /dev/sda or things like /dev/disk/by-id/BLAHBLAHBLAH ? |
| 23:46.45 | Hydroxide | gnarface: /dev/disk/by-*/* in general are not going to change at each boot, while /dev/sda vs /dev/sdb could |
| 23:46.52 | gnarface | Hydroxide: /dev/disk... (except for /dev/fd0 which is listed but not present) |
| 23:47.03 | lilith | Has anyone done an install onto a efi based PC? I did and can't get refit to show, despite that the install did not touch the efi partition. I had to boot via super grub2 |
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| 23:47.27 | Hydroxide | gnarface: right, ok. now make sure the mapping there has (hd0) mapped to the correct drive :) |
| 23:47.41 | lilith | an I supposed to install refit again a running Debian install? |
| 23:47.56 | gnarface | Hydroxide: hmm. :( it does not. how is that possible since i just booted in? what is it being wrong going to do? |
| 23:48.29 | Hydroxide | gnarface: I think it doesn't affect anything at boot time, just stuff that affects the creation of grub.cfg. I might be wrong, but maybe fix it now. |
| 23:48.45 | gnarface | Hydroxide: by hand, or should i run update-grub? |
| 23:48.50 | Hydroxide | gnarface: by hand. |
| 23:48.52 | Hydroxide | in device.map |
| 23:49.14 | gnarface | Hydroxide: what generates this device.map though? certainly now that i'm booted into the new drive i can run it properly ? |
| 23:49.21 | Hydroxide | gnarface: grub-install generates it |
| 23:49.38 | gnarface | Hydroxide: so would running grub-install now fix it? |
| 23:49.38 | Hydroxide | gnarface: you could try grub-install --recheck /dev/thenewdrive or just remove device.map and then remove --recheck |
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| 23:50.23 | Hydroxide | gnarface: and if that creates a correct device.map, then try running update-grub and see if the drive references in grub.cfg remain correct |
| 23:50.24 | gnarface | Hydroxide: ok that fixed it |
| 23:50.28 | gnarface | Hydroxide: now what? |
| 23:50.43 | Hydroxide | gnarface: cool. if grub-install creates a correct device.map and update-grub creates a correct grub.cfg, you should be set |
| 23:50.46 | gnarface | Hydroxide: oh now run update-grub. i didn't read before i typed |
| 23:50.54 | Hydroxide | k :) |
| 23:51.45 | Hydroxide | gnarface: my guess as to what happened is that the bios tells the version of grub on either drive that its drive is (hd0) |
| 23:52.23 | Hydroxide | and, similarly, linux's grub-install guesses that the drive the system is booted from is (hd0), at least on your system (probably not only) |
| 23:52.32 | gnarface | Hydroxide: ok yea it generated a grub.cfg with hd0 in every entry instead of hd1... so now i get what went wrong, the bios changed the drive orders because i told it to, but that's standard operating procedure... how do i install grub in a way to take that into account in the future? |
| 23:52.33 | Hydroxide | I mean, this is a guess, but it's quite plausible |
| 23:52.53 | Hydroxide | ah, well, if you told it to change drive orders, then that affects grub, indeed |
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| 23:54.14 | Hydroxide | gnarface: you might just need to pay attention to making your changes in sync. like fix the grub.cfg (and ideally device.map) before you make the change in the bios |
| 23:54.16 | gnarface | Hydroxide: but how else was i to boot from the drive i just installed grub on, which i did so in order to switch it to the primary? i can't switch it to the primary BEFORE installing grub, because then i can't boot to install grub. it seems like a really strange gap in functionality for grub to require manual configuration editing in this upgrade scenario. certainly there must be a feature i'm missing? |
| 23:54.42 | gnarface | (i typed this before what you just typed) |
| 23:55.03 | Hydroxide | gnarface: I dunno, some bioses can certainly boot on non-first drives. this is all somewhat system-specific. |
| 23:55.28 | gnarface | Hydroxide: well its stupid. |
| 23:55.31 | Hydroxide | if you look at the grub.cfg you can see it some automagic searching based on finding a filesystem with the right uuid |
| 23:55.45 | Hydroxide | I don't know whether that can happen with finding grub's own root drive - it probably has to load certain grub modules first |
| 23:55.56 | gnarface | Hydroxide: it had gotten the uuid's right. maybe because i put them in the fstab that way |
| 23:56.16 | Hydroxide | well, /dev/disk/by-uuid also has all the uuids automagically too |
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| 23:57.07 | Hydroxide | not sure what to say about how to do this without manual editing. not every system change can be done without manual editing. e.g. swapping a machine's network card and expecting the new card to have the old mac address, e.g. |
| 23:57.10 | gnarface | Hydroxide: all it screwed up is that when i installed grub, i did it while the disk was hd1 and now i want to know how to TELL it to configure a drive that is currently hd1 to assume it will be hd0 on next boot, without manually tweaking a file that says "do not edit this fucking file asshole" do you follow me? |
| 23:57.14 | Hydroxide | which is entirely unrelated to grub |
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| 23:58.06 | gnarface | Hydroxide: what grub needs is the ability to refer to drives by uuid instead of this hd0/hd1 crap |
| 23:58.20 | Hydroxide | gnarface: well drives don't have uuids. filesystems do. |
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| 23:58.36 | Hydroxide | drives do have serial numbers, but not in any sort of standard syntax |
| 23:58.49 | gnarface | Hydroxide: so you're saying this really isn't a solveable problem. its not grub that's stupid? |
| 23:59.11 | Hydroxide | I'm not sure whether it's a solvable problem or not. I am saying that we are still using a 20-year-old booting mechanism (BIOS) |
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| 23:59.19 | gnarface | *sigh* |
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| 23:59.29 | Hydroxide | and grub can't load its own intelligence to a large degree until it finds its data directory |
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