| 00:00.03 | tharkun | peterius: network-manager is pretty evil on any release |
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| 00:00.20 | themill | peterius: if you want stable, run stable. |
| 00:00.30 | nvz | themill: I have the game's frontend running with schroot (squeeze chroot on lenny) but when I go to launch the game from there it never happens |
| 00:00.50 | nvz | themill: not to mention I'm a tad confused on securely allowing a chroot access to my xsession |
| 00:01.09 | themill | nvz: have you looked at schroot? |
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| 00:01.23 | tharkun | nvz: if you have a squeeze chroot on you system erase the irelevant parts of it and you have enough space to upgrade |
| 00:01.26 | nvz | themill: thats what I'm using... but I apparently dont know it that well |
| 00:01.54 | nvz | tharkun: there is nothing irrelevant, its a new schroot I just setup to run this game |
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| 00:02.04 | peterius | well that's very helpful themill, but its definitely gotten worse in recent years, I guess I will switch away. I'm not really sure what unstable is for then |
| 00:02.16 | nvz | I have 1.1g available... its probably enough |
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| 00:02.37 | nvz | I even already run a 2.6.32 kernel I made to fix wifi on here.. so. |
| 00:03.03 | nvz | an upgrade may be less painful than I imagine. but the last few times I did lenny>squeeze it was pretty rough |
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| 00:03.18 | nvz | I just installed squeeze fresh on all my other systems |
| 00:03.34 | nvz | this one has too much crap on it I dont have anywhere else to put it |
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| 00:06.32 | nvz | I also like keeping a lenny machine around because I have several things that dont work on squeeze |
| 00:06.42 | nvz | my psx emulator being one of them |
| 00:06.51 | nvz | for whateve reason it segfaults on squeeze |
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| 00:07.19 | ParkerR | D: |
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| 00:08.38 | nvz | I end up needing a chroot either way |
| 00:08.43 | nvz | heh |
| 00:09.18 | nvz | so why go through the lenny->squeeze headache with little space to spare then just have to setup a lenny chroot.. heh |
| 00:09.39 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 00:09.48 | nvz | computers are really annoying sometimes |
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| 00:21.26 | syn3rgy | ahhh...still can't figure out how to get a report on the kind of encryption I have on my system! Even when I am logged in. Used dm-crypt/LUKs. |
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| 00:21.41 | PerfDave | syn3rgy: What sort of "report" do you want? |
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| 00:22.14 | syn3rgy | PerfDave if I am using AES256 with TXS (not CBC) |
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| 00:22.50 | PerfDave | Pegasus_RPG: Look at preseeded installs and cfengine2. I've just wasted a few months of my time on Puppet. It's a poorly-documented, unstable, bloaty POS. |
| 00:22.59 | syn3rgy | PerfDave and if the hash is indeed SHA256 |
| 00:23.21 | syn3rgy | sry digest is SHA256 |
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| 00:24.46 | simonlnu | if PerfDave (hi, btw, ltns) says that then it likely is ;) |
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| 00:27.01 | PerfDave | waves |
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| 00:32.19 | orfix | Hi, how can I enable the terminal bell ? echo -e "\a" doesn't work, I am using XTerm and screen. Thank you. |
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| 00:41.55 | nsadmin | howbout xterm by itself? |
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| 00:43.41 | orfix | nsadmin: I tried Xterm, and gnome-terminal too. none works. |
| 00:45.08 | nsadmin | howbout linux terminal (ctrl-alt-f1 for example, ctrl-alt-f7 to get back if your x is on vt7) |
| 00:45.14 | orfix | lsmod | grep pcspkr outputs pcspkr 1699 0 |
| 00:45.52 | centHOGG | hi orfix... did you check your blacklist to make sure that pcspkr isn't on it |
| 00:46.07 | centHOGG | i had to do that once.. i just googled the answer |
| 00:46.13 | orfix | nsadmin: oh, it works in ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 00:46.44 | nsadmin | same here, and on xchat... I'm using konsole and doesn't ring in there either |
| 00:46.54 | nsadmin | maybe it's a config option |
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| 00:48.25 | orfix | centHOGG: I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf it's not there |
| 00:48.41 | centHOGG | did you reboot |
| 00:49.02 | orfix | why should I reboot ? |
| 00:49.11 | centHOGG | can't hurt |
| 00:49.26 | nsadmin | he's just asking whether you did or not (for now :) |
| 00:49.43 | centHOGG | i rebooted, then i got the tones |
| 00:49.50 | nsadmin | and, our results are similar |
| 00:49.58 | centHOGG | i used another program to load to make a startup sound for a headless server |
| 00:50.17 | orfix | I didn't changed anything... on that blacklist.conf |
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| 00:50.25 | centHOGG | but i remember that i modprobe the pcspkr and then took it out of the blacklist |
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| 00:50.41 | orfix | pcspkr appears in lsmod output |
| 00:50.42 | centHOGG | worked |
| 00:50.44 | centHOGG | good |
| 00:50.45 | orfix | didn't have to modprobe it |
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| 00:51.01 | CannedCorn | hey guys, I want to make a many to many field that has an extra attribute, approved. One group called client has admins and i want them to be able to request access, make the relation, but not have it until that particular one is approved. |
| 00:51.09 | CannedCorn | how would I go about doing that, using through? |
| 00:51.10 | centHOGG | idk |
| 00:51.32 | CannedCorn | whoops, wrong room |
| 00:51.41 | centHOGG | orfix are you server or desktop? |
| 00:51.43 | CannedCorn | django question |
| 00:51.51 | nsadmin | CannedCorn, did you want postgres? |
| 00:51.54 | centHOGG | <server |
| 00:51.58 | CannedCorn | close |
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| 00:52.09 | CannedCorn | django, but it was related to databases |
| 00:52.15 | CannedCorn | :-) |
| 00:52.19 | orfix | centHOGG: laptop =) |
| 00:52.27 | centHOGG | hmmm... idk |
| 00:52.45 | orfix | it works fine in ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 00:53.43 | centHOGG | maybe there is some more stuff blocking you out there |
| 00:53.48 | orfix | all that hassle to hear beeps from "ping -a x.x.x.x" |
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| 00:55.00 | hanasaki | what window managers other than gnome and kde support window transparency? |
| 00:55.31 | centHOGG | whatfer |
| 00:55.32 | pfred1 | hanasaki I think it is the applications themselves that support window transparency |
| 00:56.01 | fenugreek | hanasaki: doing a report? |
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| 00:56.18 | pfred1 | hanasaki least that is how it is with some old terminals i used to play with the feature on |
| 00:56.26 | hanasaki | fenugreek: looking for something other than gnome before gnome3 kills gnome2 |
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| 00:56.41 | hanasaki | pfred1: which ones |
| 00:56.50 | pfred1 | hanasaki like aterm |
| 00:56.57 | fenugreek | hanasaki: I'm pretty sure using gnome3 in a gnome2 way/look/feel is not difficult |
| 00:57.15 | fenugreek | hanasaki: but Xfce is a lot like GNOME and supports translucency |
| 00:57.17 | pfred1 | hanasaki I really never cared for window transparency so it is nothing I ever kept up with |
| 00:57.45 | fenugreek | I have a shortcut, CTRL+ALT+o, makes current focused window see-through |
| 00:57.49 | fenugreek | occasionally useful |
| 00:58.13 | fenugreek | never cared for every window being translucent, though, inefficient eye candy nonsense =) |
| 00:58.35 | pfred1 | fenugreek I do auto focus and autoraise on delay so it brings up lower windows pretty good |
| 00:58.43 | ranix | I have a kernel that's booting with an initrd. Is there a way I can specify in what order modules are loaded? I don't want two particular modules loading out of order. |
| 00:58.46 | cantido | turning that compiz based stuff off makes your desktop feel like its running on a totally different machine.. |
| 00:59.04 | pfred1 | cantido heh yes I need to do that on this dog laptop |
| 00:59.06 | fenugreek | heh |
| 00:59.12 | fenugreek | cantoma: what's your graphics device? |
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| 01:00.01 | ranix | How do I specify in what order certain kernel modules are loaded at boot? |
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| 01:00.47 | cantido | 's connection is a pile of shit |
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| 01:01.01 | pfred1 | How do I specify in what order certain kernels are in my grub menu? |
| 01:01.08 | hanasaki | fenugreek: what do you think of xfce and lxde? |
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| 01:01.37 | fenugreek | hanasaki: both fine |
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| 01:01.47 | hanasaki | both do transparency/ |
| 01:01.56 | fenugreek | if you're coming from (liking) GNOME you'll probably prefer Xfce |
| 01:01.57 | pfred1 | hanasaki I like fluxbox after it is configured some |
| 01:01.59 | hanasaki | lxde seemed to load a bunch of gnome dependancies |
| 01:02.05 | fenugreek | but again, I think you're abandoning GNOME unnecessarily |
| 01:02.15 | hanasaki | pfred1: can I ask what the reason is that you prefer it? |
| 01:02.19 | fenugreek | not only will you be able to make GNOME3 work like 2, but nobody is going to force you to upgrade to 3 |
| 01:02.29 | pfred1 | hanasaki it does all I need a WM to do |
| 01:02.48 | cantido | fenugreek: unless GNOME2 gets removed and you want to keep your system up to date ;) |
| 01:02.59 | pfred1 | hanasaki and it'll run in 32MB RAM total |
| 01:02.59 | hanasaki | fenugreek: why is that? not sure I like the new paradigm and the memory usage even on gnome2 is way up.... then again.. mint linux seems to have a base footprint w/ gnome far less than ubuntu.. so does debian..... |
| 01:03.00 | cantido | I would love to still have kde 3.5.. |
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| 01:03.11 | pfred1 | cantido yes me too |
| 01:03.21 | hanasaki | and no transparency in flux? |
| 01:03.25 | fenugreek | cantido: nothing stopping you |
| 01:03.29 | pfred1 | cantido there is a package for the bad U word that gives KDE 3.5 |
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| 01:03.45 | cantido | fenugreek: except I would have to keep that working |
| 01:03.49 | hanasaki | bad YOU- word lol |
| 01:03.57 | fenugreek | cantido: why would it stop working |
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| 01:04.04 | somiaj | isc-dhcp-client seems to fail a lot at getting responses on my laptop for both wired and wireless networks (sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't). Any suggestions on another client that could be more reliable. Only thing I've found so far is 'pump'. |
| 01:04.08 | hanasaki | wish afterstep wsa more current :0 |
| 01:04.11 | cantido | fenugreek: CPP abi changes would kill it |
| 01:04.16 | pfred1 | cantido I have a legacy Lenny box here with KDE 3.5 on it |
| 01:04.21 | fenugreek | don't have to update those either |
| 01:04.30 | cantido | fenugreek: and its not in the official repo.. so no one would keep it working |
| 01:04.30 | hanasaki | somiaj: I used pump for years quite well |
| 01:04.32 | hanasaki | pumpd |
| 01:04.43 | fenugreek | cantido: drawbacks with every choice =P |
| 01:05.07 | hanasaki | what is this new variant of deb called mint? |
| 01:05.15 | cantido | I want a desktop that actually does stuff .. not like wmaker.. but all this stupid Activity shit is really annoying |
| 01:05.20 | pfred1 | hanasaki mint is not Debian |
| 01:05.26 | hanasaki | ? |
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| 01:05.51 | somiaj | hanasaki: mint is its own distro. |
| 01:05.54 | pfred1 | hanasaki mint only uses Debian's package management system |
| 01:06.07 | fenugreek | it's modified Debian is all |
| 01:06.32 | hanasaki | http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php pfred1 what about that? |
| 01:06.32 | zykotick9 | hanasaki, i think you're asking about LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition), it's not nearly as good as Debian |
| 01:06.43 | pfred1 | hanasaki what about it? |
| 01:06.53 | fenugreek | zykotick9: copies usually aren't |
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| 01:07.02 | hanasaki | more current packages but a mix of testing and sid too so not secure or stable? |
| 01:07.22 | hanasaki | I do like its gnome menu :) |
| 01:07.33 | pfred1 | hanasaki run it if you want but don't think you're running Debian |
| 01:07.41 | zykotick9 | fenugreek, believe it or not LMDE ships with a broken update OOTB - you MUST use apt-get from command line |
| 01:08.39 | fenugreek | wouldn't know, wouldn't care |
| 01:08.39 | k-man | is there a prefered version of nomachine nx for running on debian? |
| 01:08.47 | k-man | or should I use the one from nomachine's site? |
| 01:09.04 | orfix | Âthanks guys for your help... I'll be back later =] |
| 01:09.25 | hanasaki | mint folks say its based off wheezy |
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| 01:10.04 | pfred1 | wheezy is testing isn't it? |
| 01:10.19 | zykotick9 | pfred1, yes |
| 01:10.21 | cantido | hanasaki: why use something based off of something when you can just use something |
| 01:10.53 | pfred1 | hanasaki yes using real Debian will make you feel as fresh as the morning dew |
| 01:10.58 | fenugreek | cantido: why indeed =) |
| 01:11.00 | zykotick9 | pfred1, sorry, yours was a rhetorical question (that i foolishly answered) |
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| 01:11.19 | pfred1 | zykotick9 no I really wasn't sure I don't keep up |
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| 01:11.33 | archetech | I tried both deb xfce is better for me and ffox doesn't redirect for lmint profit by default afaik |
| 01:12.09 | hanasaki | cantido: and pfred1 I like debian... switched from slackware to potato yrs ago.... just have some issues with the delay in new versions... then again.. stability rocks |
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| 01:12.42 | pfred1 | hanasaki I liked Linux 15 years ago and a lot of the new stuff i'm not too keen on really |
| 01:12.52 | hanasaki | like? |
| 01:13.08 | pfred1 | hanasaki grub2 and udev for starters |
| 01:13.16 | hanasaki | agreed |
| 01:13.27 | pfred1 | stuff is complicated |
| 01:13.29 | hanasaki | no reason to put its conf in /etc |
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| 01:14.02 | fenugreek | hanasaki: ...what? =P |
| 01:14.07 | hanasaki | wonder why gnome2 in mint is so much leaner on ram than in ubuntu..... deb is leaner on ram too |
| 01:14.14 | pfred1 | hanasaki but modern window managers seem to all be going south lately yoo |
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| 01:14.28 | hanasaki | fenugreek: grub2 puts its conf stuff in /etc and then builds the /boot conf from it |
| 01:14.40 | fenugreek | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.42 | hanasaki | pfred1: thus you use flux? |
| 01:14.55 | pfred1 | hanasaki if I didn't care about system performance I'd run Ubuntu it'd make my life a lot easier |
| 01:15.06 | hanasaki | lol |
| 01:15.20 | hanasaki | why is it that ubun is so cpu/ram intensive? |
| 01:15.40 | hanasaki | and why is it that the new chat client cannot do http proxy traversal LOL useless |
| 01:16.05 | pfred1 | hanasaki because ubuntu means slow pig in Swahili |
| 01:16.15 | hanasaki | lol |
| 01:16.24 | hanasaki | I was thinking of a technical discussion |
| 01:16.53 | pfred1 | I read it on their website it must be true! |
| 01:16.59 | hanasaki | everyone wants to mimit google os ui's |
| 01:17.09 | fenugreek | ? |
| 01:18.16 | hanasaki | mimic |
| 01:19.41 | pfred1 | this laptop is slower than my P4 it is going to take me forever to tune it |
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| 01:21.29 | pfred1 | now I know why Intel named this CPU Yonah like it was a biblical character it runs like it is that old! |
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| 01:22.32 | kikma|ran | hey all |
| 01:24.01 | pfred1 | anyone here know of any good kernel performance tuning sites? |
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| 01:26.32 | pfred1 | OK how about a better benchmark than what I'm using all i found that works so far is this ancient stuff called nbench it doesn't even do multi core |
| 01:26.59 | nsadmin | kernel.org is not a good tuning site? |
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| 01:27.26 | pfred1 | nsadmin good place to download kernels I never really explored much else they offer |
| 01:28.05 | pfred1 | nsadmin right now I am running a very slightly modified kernel from Debian my next move is to build vanilla |
| 01:28.48 | nsadmin | if you find nothing in the way of tuning there, I would hazard a guess that exploring the structure of the site will yield useful items you can use later |
| 01:28.54 | pfred1 | nsadmin I think i am going to have to use a later kernel to get my video accelerated |
| 01:29.36 | pfred1 | all i know is I sure hope its not accelerated now 830 fps in glxgears ain't exactly my idea of accelerated video |
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| 01:30.54 | Dgfib | if i want to see the system calls made by a program, which log can i look? kern.log? |
| 01:31.02 | Dgfib | or syslog? |
| 01:31.27 | pfred1 | Dgfib tail -f them and look |
| 01:32.08 | pfred1 | Dgfib I like messages personally but it may not have what you're looking for |
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| 01:38.11 | Dgfib | i looked at the three of them (syslog, messages, kern.conf) of them but i can't figure what's wrong. i'm getting a segfault running a program that does one system call only (i think). i compiled it on a 32 bit chroot i set up yesterday |
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| 01:39.23 | pfred1 | Dgfib you may have to gdb it it isn't something I am too familiar with |
| 01:39.53 | pfred1 | Dgfib gdb has a neat front end called ddd you may like |
| 01:39.58 | Dgfib | the program compiles for 32 bits but is possibly not working correctly because the libs are no t the same. maybe i could static link it, and that will solve my problems? i'm not sure it segfaults on an OS call, i don't see anything though |
| 01:40.47 | Dgfib | ahh that must be it, the libs... i think i'll have to static link. |
| 01:40.51 | Dgfib | is researching.... |
| 01:40.53 | pfred1 | Dgfib you can also set your system so it dumps core and tear through that again nothng i have done in so long |
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| 01:41.48 | pfred1 | Bfig for any of that to be useful you have to recompile with debugging symbols |
| 01:42.04 | simonlnu | or get a -dbg package |
| 01:42.29 | pfred1 | simonlnu I'm pretty sure they said they compiled the program themself |
| 01:42.44 | ircguy | having trouble with a samba share on an ext4 partition that isn't the root partition...another share configured exactly the same on the root partition is accessible and works fine...any ideas? |
| 01:42.48 | Bfig | one step at a time, i'm just a newbie. how can i see the libraries that are dynamically linked? |
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| 01:43.00 | Bfig | (for a certain program). i think it was ld or lld or something like that? |
| 01:43.03 | pfred1 | Bfig ldd |
| 01:43.13 | Bfig | checks the program... |
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| 01:43.34 | pfred1 | Bfig nm -n is pretty neat to oas i can recall |
| 01:45.14 | Bfig | ok, it links linux-gate.so.1, libgcrypt.so.11, libc.so.6, libgpg-error.so.0, /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 01:45.20 | Bfig | what's oas? |
| 01:45.35 | pfred1 | what do we look like google? |
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| 01:45.42 | Bfig | sorry :) |
| 01:46.31 | Bfig | google isn't yielding :( |
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| 01:47.14 | centHOGG | the who "smash the mirror" |
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| 01:50.00 | MestreLion | hi! not sure if here is the proper place to ask but... ive cloned a git repo from a debian package maintainer.. and im trying to build it for personal use using git-buildepackage. But it fails with fatal error when signing files (since it tries to use original maintainers key). How can i specify to use my keys instead? |
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| 01:50.34 | ParkerR | MestreLion, try ./configure in that folder |
| 01:51.12 | ParkerR | MestreLion, whats the repo |
| 01:51.15 | ParkerR | That might help |
| 01:51.24 | MestreLion | ParkerR: isnt configure for compiling the source? |
| 01:51.37 | ParkerR | Isnt that what you are doing? |
| 01:51.43 | MestreLion | the configure / make part of guitbuildpackage seems to run ok |
| 01:51.55 | ParkerR | git is for downlaoding source code |
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| 01:52.01 | ParkerR | *downloading |
| 01:52.36 | CyL | !help |
| 01:52.48 | ParkerR | !list |
| 01:52.49 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 01:52.59 | ParkerR | ?? ok... |
| 01:53.09 | MestreLion | yes, but im downloading from a maintainers repo... so it has the code, the debian/folder, the pristine-tar... all ready to build with git-buildpackage |
| 01:53.39 | ParkerR | What the repo. I wanna take a look |
| 01:53.48 | MestreLion | (which is a wrapper for debuild |
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| 01:54.10 | MestreLion | ParkerR: git://git.jonnylamb.com/git/packaging/gitg.git |
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| 01:55.08 | ParkerR | Hmm |
| 01:55.10 | MestreLion | the problem is about signing the package (or the dsc file, im not sure)... its way past configure and make... |
| 01:55.13 | ParkerR | Never seen one like that |
| 01:56.01 | MestreLion | configure and make runs fine... it builds the source, incorporates the patches in debian/ , the control file, rules, etc |
| 01:56.55 | MestreLion | do i have to edit any file in debian/ dir, or use some special argument in debuild ? |
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| 01:59.12 | MestreLion | error is when debuild calls debsign to sign the .dsc file |
| 01:59.19 | syn3rgy | just did a netinst using a USB. When I boot now grub does not show up. I can boot if I have the USB in. Seems grub is pointing to that USB (sdb1) still and not to my HDD sda1. How do I fix this? |
| 01:59.34 | iPod-nano | How can I give a non-root user permission to use bottlerocket? It uses a serial port and I keep getting permission denied messages. |
| 02:00.49 | MestreLion | syn3rgy: this might help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/27155 |
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| 02:00.52 | zykotick9 | syn3rgy, most likely, when you installed the USB was sda, you probably need to chroot into your install and reinstall grub to the correct drive. Good luck. |
| 02:01.41 | MestreLion | oh, nevermind... youre talking about grub1... that link is for grub2 |
| 02:02.43 | MestreLion | so, any help on how to make debuild use my keys instead of the maintainer's ? |
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| 02:05.20 | iPod-nano | Nevermind, solved my own problem. |
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| 02:25.30 | SerajewelKS | is it just me, or does ntfs-3g suck at allocating blocks? it seems the larger this HD image gets, the slower it writes. |
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| 02:25.50 | centHOGG | could b |
| 02:25.51 | centHOGG | be |
| 02:26.06 | SerajewelKS | i defragmented the volume on a windows box |
| 02:26.21 | SerajewelKS | so it shouldn't have to look too hard for free blocks |
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| 02:27.01 | SerajewelKS | copy started at 25 MB/s. the file is now 62 GB and the rate is down to 9 MB/s. |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | I'm sorry, did you think defrag did something useful ? :) |
| 02:27.35 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it was suggested by google to solve slow ntfs-3g performance. |
| 02:27.41 | SerajewelKS | it seems to have helped, but not very much |
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| 02:28.17 | SerajewelKS | i want to reformat as ext3, but it's a 1TB drive and i don't have that much space on one volume, so i'm going to have to connect my spare drives and copy over pieces... ugh. |
| 02:28.28 | abrotman | by googlecorp? or random guy on google who lives in antarctica and eats yellow snow? |
| 02:28.49 | SerajewelKS | by several google results. some people noticed a 2x or some improvement in write performance. |
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| 02:29.26 | SerajewelKS | ntfs-3g is horrible at avoiding fragmentation though. the volume has been basically append-only (not many deletes) and windows reported some 50% fragmentation across the whole disk. |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: is your disk swapping? |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | have you been mapping your iostat over time? |
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| 02:30.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: swapping in what way? i'm familiar with that term in more than one context. |
| 02:30.25 | Pegasus_RPG | anyone familiar with apt-cacher-ng? |
| 02:30.42 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, what's the real question? |
| 02:30.57 | Pegasus_RPG | I have it running on an amd64 system and want it to cache stuff for i386 as well. But when I have a client apt-get update it says it can't find the indexes for i386 sources |
| 02:31.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: do you mean thrashing? |
| 02:31.14 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, are you using wheezy/sid? |
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| 02:31.26 | Pegasus_RPG | (I did an import with the i386 packages forgetting to first do apt-get update from a client) |
| 02:31.29 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, multiarch |
| 02:31.30 | Pegasus_RPG | is on squeeze |
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| 02:31.56 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, squeeze doesn't have multiarch so that's not the cause, sorry |
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| 02:32.33 | SerajewelKS | i mean, my experience with ntfs-3g is that writes take undue amounts of CPU in general. combined with thrashing, that would explain a lot. |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: sure .. thrashing |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: watch iostat for a bit .. |
| 02:32.53 | Yukiteru | hi |
| 02:33.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: just to be clear, we're talking about seeking back and forth all over the drive rapidly, yes? |
| 02:33.20 | Pegasus_RPG | it's only the us.archive.ubuntu.com ones that are failing. (apt-cacher-ng is running on straight debian squeeze though...the clients are ubuntu ) |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: well .. it could be reading sequentially .. just a crap load of disk activity |
| 02:33.41 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: i'll tell you i've had WAY better luck with approx |
| 02:33.57 | SerajewelKS | well of course there is a crapload of disk activity, i'm imaging another hard drive into a file on this one |
| 02:34.13 | abrotman | okay, under normal circumstances darn you |
| 02:34.14 | jpinx | SerajewelKS: fwiw I blame over-use of ntfs-3g for killing my ssd because of it's apparent intensive activity |
| 02:34.28 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, on a related note, i tried to get ubuntu working with my squeeze apt-cacher-ng the other day, I eventually gave up and swore never to use ubuntu again. So i'm certainly the wrong person to help - i could only get 404s from ubuntu. Best of luck. |
| 02:34.40 | Pegasus_RPG | fun |
| 02:34.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well i only notice truly horrible performance when it's appending to a huge file |
| 02:34.45 | Pegasus_RPG | that's exactly what I'm seeing |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | !approx |
| 02:34.50 | dpkg | Approx is an HTTP-based proxy server for Debian-style package archives. It fetches files from remote repositories on demand, and caches them for local use. It saves time and network bandwidth if you need to install or upgrade .deb packages for a number of machines on a local network. Packages are downloaded from a remote site only once, regardless of how many local clients install it. |
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| 02:34.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: which google suggests is because it's having to look harder for free blocks |
| 02:35.04 | Pegasus_RPG | now seriously considers using apt-cacher since he has it working perfectly at another site |
| 02:35.13 | Pegasus_RPG | two others actually |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | or Pegasus_RPG will keep ignoring me ... |
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| 02:35.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: aren't you happy the sox won? |
| 02:35.28 | Pegasus_RPG | abrotman: no, I'm reading now |
| 02:35.38 | Jef91 | Is it possible to mirror a display across two different graphics cards? |
| 02:35.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i must not be familiar with that meme :) |
| 02:35.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's baseball .. i was kidding |
| 02:36.06 | SerajewelKS | yes i know it's baseball. just not familiar with that quote. |
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| 02:36.13 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: so you tried to defrag to make the free blocks in the VM sequential .. |
| 02:36.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: basically, yes |
| 02:36.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: (VM?) |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | but is all of that space allocated sequentially on the host? |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | assumed this ntfs-3g was on a VM ... sorry |
| 02:36.53 | SerajewelKS | no, on a live box |
| 02:36.59 | Pegasus_RPG | abrotman: can I import packages into approx? |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | mixes all sorts of stuff together and comes up with nothing useful :) |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: say who? |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | import? |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: oh, you mean drop them in the temp storage? |
| 02:37.22 | Pegasus_RPG | abrotman: yeah, drop already-downloaded .debs into the cache? |
| 02:37.30 | SerajewelKS | i am imaging a 160GB SATA drive (attached with a USB adapter) to a 1TB external USB volume. yes, USB-to-USB imaging sucks dick. |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | i believe so .. i don't see why not |
| 02:37.36 | SerajewelKS | the target volume is ntfs-3g |
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| 02:37.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you need a new hobby |
| 02:37.59 | SerajewelKS | as the image file grows, write performance and ntfs-3g CPU usage go up, up, up |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: but i'd say it's more important your clients work correctly :) |
| 02:38.07 | SerajewelKS | erm, write times |
| 02:38.11 | SerajewelKS | the performance goes down, of course |
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| 02:38.30 | SerajewelKS | like i said, the copy started at 25 MB/s and is now down to 9 MB/s |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i've seen many other people say that for USB file tranfers |
| 02:38.57 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS ran through your drive cache did you? |
| 02:39.12 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: no, it's going down linearly over time |
| 02:39.25 | centHOGG | SerajewelKS: what prog u using? |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | 'move' :) |
| 02:39.40 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS try noatime in your mount? |
| 02:39.45 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: when i woke up this morning (before restarting the image process) it was about 130 GB into the copy and was at 130 KB/s |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | i don't think he can remount the devices? |
| 02:40.02 | SerajewelKS | centHOGG: dd |
| 02:40.09 | centHOGG | k |
| 02:40.40 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i expect slow for USB transfers. i do not expect write times to be proportional to the size of the file being appended to. |
| 02:40.40 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS is DMA enabled? |
| 02:40.45 | SerajewelKS | if i restart the image, it will go back up to 25 MB/s |
| 02:41.16 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: i don't believe you can even disable DMA for SATA devices |
| 02:41.26 | zykotick9 | pfred1, i didn't think hdparm stuff could be applied to USB interfaces? |
| 02:41.39 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS oh I don't know about that I'm pretty capable |
| 02:41.47 | SerajewelKS | at any rate, the problem is not that USB-to-USB transfers are slow. i know they are slow. |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i don't think the option is even there |
| 02:42.01 | SerajewelKS | the problem is that the write performance goes down proportionally to the file size of the image |
| 02:42.16 | SerajewelKS | which suggests that ntfs-3g is doing stupid shit |
| 02:42.26 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS might be your kernel filesize limit |
| 02:42.34 | SerajewelKS | facepalms |
| 02:43.15 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: if that limit was hit, there would just be an I/O error and the copy would stop |
| 02:43.36 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS yes nothing I've ever run into just run across |
| 02:44.00 | SerajewelKS | that doesn't explain why the amount of time it takes to append N bytes to the end of a file would grow as the file size grows |
| 02:45.25 | SerajewelKS | at this point i'm just going to stop it at 80 GB and copy the rest of the drive into another file, since that will run faster |
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| 02:46.23 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS a lot use tar with some switches for large copies |
| 02:46.33 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: that would not help |
| 02:46.41 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: as the tar file grows, performance will drop |
| 02:46.45 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS you tried it? |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i think it was more of a headdesk .. not a facepalm |
| 02:47.48 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: (1) no, because i am imaging a windows disk for duplication. (2) no, because that will not help shit. |
| 02:48.16 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: here is my source for the "defrag makes it faster" claim -- it's from the developers: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#slowwrite |
| 02:48.19 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS /join #windows |
| 02:48.37 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: kindly fuck off, thanks |
| 02:48.44 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS after you |
| 02:48.51 | abrotman | enough of that |
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| 02:48.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: which version of 3g do yo uhave ? |
| 02:49.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's what i'm checking now |
| 02:49.19 | SerajewelKS | 2010.3.6 |
| 02:49.24 | SerajewelKS | plenty new enough, according to them |
| 02:49.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it says defrag doesn't do jack |
| 02:50.16 | Pegasus_RPG | abrotman: ok so where is /etc/init.d/approx? |
| 02:50.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: "your disk space is highly fragmented in a close to full cluster allocation zone" |
| 02:50.27 | Pegasus_RPG | e.g. how the heck so I start it? |
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| 02:50.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ah, i see. it's free space compacting that helps. |
| 02:50.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the windows defrag tool did a little bit of that, but not very much. |
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| 02:51.48 | centHOGG | windows to windows is usually little defrag... can't speak for another os though |
| 02:51.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i think my workaround will be to create the disk image in chunks |
| 02:52.15 | SerajewelKS | 16 10GB files will perform better than one 160GB file |
| 02:52.46 | Bfig | i think i found the problematic library, linux-gate.so. how can i add the library to my program code? |
| 02:52.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i saw this: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#dd but using 65k block sizes doesn't seem to help much. |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: feel better now? |
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| 02:53.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not really, i'll feel better when i get this volume reformatted as ext3 :S |
| 02:53.10 | Bfig | is that the same as static linking? |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:53.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it was originally my "media drive" so i wanted to be able to unplug it from the file server and take it with my laptop to watch movies on the road |
| 02:53.52 | SerajewelKS | so NTFS was a logical choice i guess. but ntfs-3g just sucks ass at writing. |
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| 02:56.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: killed off dd, restarted it into a new file, performance back up in the 20 MB/s range |
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| 02:57.27 | abrotman | don't they have to be one file in th eend? |
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| 02:58.48 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no |
| 02:59.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it will just take two dd operations to restore the image |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 03:00.22 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm taking my 160 GB laptop drive and imaging it onto a 250 GB drive. but since i'm too lazy to turn off my computer and attach them internally (and my primary linux box doesn't have SATA anyway) and since i only have one USB-to-SATA adapter, the lazy method is to copy the one drive to an image file, attach the new drive, and copy it back |
| 03:00.44 | SerajewelKS | i should just attach both drives to my desktop and boot into linux |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | wtf does your primary box have? |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | oh .. please tell me microchannel!!! |
| 03:02.16 | SerajewelKS | right now, XP and linux dual-boot, but since this box is basically just for tf2 and l4d, it spends most of its time in XP |
| 03:02.48 | SerajewelKS | it's sad, but wine is still shaky for l4d :( |
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| 03:03.30 | SerajewelKS | my LAN server runs debian so it gets the honor of doing two 160 GB USB-to-USB transfers |
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| 03:04.55 | SerajewelKS | the good news is that copying the image onto the new disk will be tons faster, because ntfs-3g has decent read performance, it just sucks at writing |
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| 03:06.58 | elik_ | I'm my debian box as a router (wifi+wired lan, pppoe wan). pppoe is giving me a hard time. My network has been flacky for some time, and I finally identified why yesterday. Computers on my network are exceeding the limit of fragment size on the pppoe link. Now, I'd expect my box to send back an icmp telling the host to fragment, but I don't see this packet. I'm thinking it might be because of iptables, but I have a fairly open policy for outgoing packets (-P |
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| 03:08.15 | white_magic | hey guys, how would I go about installing debian in place of ubuntu (in a dual-boot setup on a single hard drive)? I've made backups of both ubuntu & Win7.. |
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| 03:08.38 | white_magic | i'd like to leave my current win7 install intact, if possible, so I would have to restore it later |
| 03:08.53 | IdleOne | install debian to the partition ubuntu is on |
| 03:08.57 | IdleOne | done. |
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| 03:10.05 | white_magic | ok so i guess i guess i could leave all the partitions intact (including ubuntu's swap.. and let debian use that for its swap partition), right? |
| 03:10.07 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: fire up the debian installer, delete all of the ubuntu partitions, and then use guided partitioning to partition the remaining space |
| 03:10.19 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: you could do that too, yes |
| 03:11.32 | white_magic | i'll keep that in mind, thanks! |
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| 03:25.02 | white_magic | hmm i'm having some second thoughts about removing Ubuntu. I really like the distro (and just found out that debian doesn't get stable updates often at all). |
| 03:25.18 | white_magic | The really annoying things about Ubuntu for me are the Unity shell & the Ubuntu One/whatever it is |
| 03:25.37 | white_magic | i'm really not trying to start an ubuntu vs. debian war here.. just thinking outloud |
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| 03:26.22 | ranix | white_magic: try installing debian without picking any packages in dselect or whatever when you install. Just do a netinstall and install nothing else |
| 03:26.40 | ranix | white_magic: then install what you need and want with apt/aptitude one package at a time (let it handle dependencies) |
| 03:27.02 | abrotman | in tasksel you mean? |
| 03:27.05 | ranix | it's the correct way to build your OS. Start with nothing and get what you need. Don't start with everything "just in case". That's not cool |
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| 03:27.07 | white_magic | that's a good idea, i suppose |
| 03:27.10 | ranix | yes, that's what I mean |
| 03:27.15 | ranix | I never use it so I always forget its name |
| 03:27.22 | white_magic | ranix: yup, that's exactly what i want - i wanna know what's on my distro and learn linux more effectively |
| 03:27.34 | white_magic | maybe i will do just that, then |
| 03:27.50 | white_magic | how long does the installation usually take? i have a pretty fast internet connection btw |
| 03:28.08 | white_magic | assuming i don't pick too many packages, that is |
| 03:28.14 | civillian | 15 mins for minimal netinst |
| 03:28.18 | ranix | white_magic: there are some cool things you can do, like make a small raid array, or use rsync to back photos up and stuff, or run torrentflux or something to more effectively download stuff from the net |
| 03:28.29 | ranix | to learn more and get a payoff |
| 03:28.34 | centHOGG | it works |
| 03:28.36 | white_magic | cvillian: does minimal include some sort of GUI environment? |
| 03:28.53 | civillian | white_magic: nope, just 'standard utils' |
| 03:28.54 | ranix | try to avoid setting up things like mythtv that may or may not work and depend on hardware because that gets frustrating to a new user (or anyone else imo) |
| 03:29.31 | white_magic | noted.. |
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| 03:29.43 | civillian | white_magic: selecting 'desktop environment' increases your package download count by about 1000, so it takes longer. still under 45 mins usually though |
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| 03:30.09 | civillian | minimal is about 100-200 packages |
| 03:30.40 | white_magic | i wonder why the desktop env. is 800 more packages.. that's.. quite a bit more |
| 03:30.57 | centHOGG | don't load a de via netinstall |
| 03:31.04 | centHOGG | minimal |
| 03:31.21 | Bfig | guis are huge :) |
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| 03:31.28 | centHOGG | ^ |
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| 03:32.20 | white_magic | can i use netinstall with wi-fi only? |
| 03:32.28 | white_magic | assuming i have a great wifi signal.. which i do |
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| 03:32.39 | Bfig | you don't need much to represent some pcb's, you need a million variables to represent the state of your gui and the way to render them, and context, etc. |
| 03:33.01 | civillian | white_magic: never tried it myself, but if the driver is present in netinst it should be no different |
| 03:33.07 | white_magic | ok, let's say i get the standard ISO.. can i proceed with as minimal PLUS gui? |
| 03:33.25 | zykotick9 | white_magic, if you can, use a wired connect. Wireless only supports WEP during install BTW |
| 03:33.31 | white_magic | oh noez :( |
| 03:33.46 | civillian | white_magic: probably not, I disagree with centHOGG's comment on netinst + de |
| 03:33.48 | white_magic | what about installing from debian live? |
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| 03:36.19 | white_magic | i think i'll just get the regular debian dvd |
| 03:36.58 | civillian | white_magic: up to you of course, I still recommend netinst. I haven't used anything else for about 8 years |
| 03:38.12 | zykotick9 | white_magic, i wouldn't be surprised to find out "most" debian users utilize the netinstall method |
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| 03:38.29 | white_magic | i wonder why you put most in quotes there.. |
| 03:38.50 | white_magic | but yea, why not.. i'll try netinst first |
| 03:38.51 | zykotick9 | white_magic, well i don't know for sure, it's only speculation |
| 03:39.08 | white_magic | im so indecisive :p.. oh well, i've made backups, i can afford to be |
| 03:40.07 | zykotick9 | white_magic, the reason I use netinstall is to install the gnome-desktop-environment package instead of "gnome", cuts down on what i consider cruft |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | pff .. saves you like 200MB .. in the days of 200GB disks, it's not that big of a deal |
| 03:40.50 | zykotick9 | abrotman, ya, but no mono |
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| 03:41.09 | abrotman | zykotick9: but oyu install sun java and flash? :) |
| 03:41.14 | white_magic | i wonder how i get netinst to run off a usb drive |
| 03:41.23 | zykotick9 | abrotman, nope |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | white_magic: the instructions are in the installation guide |
| 03:41.43 | abrotman | zykotick9: Qt? skype? .. when is the last time you ran 'vrms' ? |
| 03:41.43 | white_magic | ahh yes, they are, ty |
| 03:41.44 | zykotick9 | abrotman, well gnash - does that count ;) |
| 03:41.59 | abrotman | zykotick9: technically, it might .. you're supporting a non-free format |
| 03:42.06 | zykotick9 | abrotman, nope - vrms would be "rms would be proud" |
| 03:42.13 | abrotman | won't even try |
| 03:42.40 | abrotman | at least mono is based on an ecma standard .. flash is based on .. nothing, totally proprietary |
| 03:42.48 | zykotick9 | abrotman, i have some non-free installs - i'm not as "free" as i'm implying |
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| 03:43.08 | abrotman | ohhh .. evil! |
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| 03:44.55 | civillian | gah vrms says my make-doc is non-free |
| 03:45.01 | civillian | !make-doc |
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| 03:46.46 | zykotick9 | abrotman, one of the reasons I believe Debian is the best distro choice, is that is allows users to run either free or non-free. Universal OS indeed ;) |
| 03:46.46 | pfred1 | they named gnash after they observed what a user did on Youtube trying to use it |
| 03:47.11 | abrotman | zykotick9: it's getting better with the new patent stance |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | pfred1: perhaps you should try it agian |
| 03:47.42 | pfred1 | abrotman just tried it yesterday its gotten better since then? |
| 03:48.16 | pfred1 | maybe it was the day before now |
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| 03:49.02 | abrotman | pfred1: i've used it to watch youtube and piles of other stuff .. i'm on i386 though .. dunno if that owuld matter |
| 03:49.09 | pfred1 | abrotman i installed this laptop fairly recently |
| 03:50.04 | pfred1 | gnash had to take the purge pill |
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| 03:53.04 | pfred1 | I ran into something earlier today where a README is duplicated in 2 packages with just a minor difference in versions is it a bug? |
| 03:53.30 | pfred1 | someone even went through the trouble in one package to gzip the readme because it is 47KB |
| 03:54.00 | pfred1 | so it is a total waste of diskspace to have it twice |
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| 03:55.07 | simonlnu | that's a packaging bug |
| 03:55.16 | pfred1 | I ran diff -y against them and the wubtle differences are just confusing |
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| 03:55.21 | pfred1 | subtle even |
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| 03:55.35 | gnarface | pfred1: just my guess; the default gnu docs are - default. sometimes the package creators forget to replace them with specific ones. |
| 03:55.39 | pfred1 | simonlnu it did seem like it to me |
| 03:56.02 | gnarface | pfred1: sometimes they're just lazy and barely edit the defaults and consider it good |
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| 03:56.11 | pfred1 | gnarface this was a Debian specific package rEADME |
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| 03:56.26 | pfred1 | gnarface yeah was an old stale file from 2003 |
| 03:56.40 | gnarface | pfred1: did you check to see if a bug had already been filed? |
| 03:56.45 | pfred1 | the guy was like the kernel source is a whole 29MB! |
| 03:57.05 | pfred1 | gnarface no not really |
| 03:57.10 | abrotman | pfred1: which two packages? |
| 03:57.20 | pfred1 | abrotman sec I put it in a notes file |
| 03:59.44 | pfred1 | abrotman README and README.gz in kernel-package and linux-source I think |
| 04:00.21 | pfred1 | someone ought to update that whole file it is a little dusty better than nothing though |
| 04:00.42 | white_magic | hey, so if i have an extern usb hdd and i did 'cat image.iso >/dev/sdX', that should be sufficient to make it a bootable device, correct? |
| 04:00.46 | white_magic | *external |
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| 04:01.56 | pfred1 | abrotman they are here on my system /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz & /usr/share/kernel-package/docs/README |
| 04:02.21 | abrotman | you could file a bug, asking why they're both there .. |
| 04:03.13 | pfred1 | abrotman yeah the only reason I even ran across it was I was reading everything before building a kernel the Debian way you know? |
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| 04:03.41 | pfred1 | but i start reading one after the other and i'm like this sure is familiar |
| 04:03.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:03.58 | pfred1 | but if you diff them there are some differences |
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| 04:04.23 | pfred1 | and maybe it doesn't hurt to read it twice |
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| 04:05.05 | abrotman | thought it was McFly |
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| 04:05.27 | pfred1 | abrotman I dare you to call them yellow |
| 04:06.16 | abrotman | wait .. Funions on a hot dog ... |
| 04:06.22 | pfred1 | abrotman I bet no Debian maintainer has looked at either of those files since 2003 |
| 04:06.36 | ranix | abrotman: BRILLIANT |
| 04:06.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | pfred1: i wouldn't go that far .. |
| 04:07.07 | abrotman | mah .. manoj isn't here anymore |
| 04:07.09 | pfred1 | abrotman I could almost see the dust rise when I opened them |
| 04:07.56 | pfred1 | stuff still works but the references really date the material |
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| 04:09.30 | white_magic | hey guys, what should i set for the domain name? this is for a home network.. |
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| 04:09.44 | pfred1 | white_magic home is a popular suggestion |
| 04:10.01 | white_magic | lol :D |
| 04:10.10 | white_magic | ok i suppose it's entirely unimportant in this case |
| 04:10.21 | pfred1 | no seriously there are some well known bogus words you can use and home is one of them |
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| 04:11.12 | pfred1 | there are like 3 and home is the only one I can remember right now |
| 04:11.18 | jmarsden | white_magic: white_magic.home would seem somewhat logical in your case |
| 04:12.45 | pfred1 | I was just reading about it in a networking howto the other day |
| 04:13.00 | white_magic | pfred1: ok! |
| 04:13.07 | white_magic | writes down 'USE ONLY 'HOME'' |
| 04:13.12 | white_magic | just kidding.. |
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| 04:13.21 | pfred1 | well there were a few that are unofficially official |
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| 04:13.38 | pfred1 | i may be wrong but local may be another |
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| 04:13.50 | pfred1 | home is definatly one of them |
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| 04:14.34 | pfred1 | uses shop and it seems to work Ok |
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| 04:16.26 | pfred1 | how about that there really is no home.com |
| 04:17.00 | pfred1 | though there is a shop.com |
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| 04:17.53 | white_magic | hey so if anyone was here when i was asking early questions - i'm just replacing an ubuntu install with debian, so i'm thinking all i need to do in the partition bit is to overwrite the exising ext4 partition and mount '/' there |
| 04:18.07 | white_magic | anything for boot flags? |
| 04:18.17 | white_magic | errr mount options i mean? |
| 04:18.19 | pfred1 | linux ignores boot flag |
| 04:18.29 | white_magic | i mean mount options, sorry |
| 04:19.49 | white_magic | i'm thinking 'rw' & 'exec' are the only necessary ones |
| 04:19.51 | pfred1 | though I set whereever I put my /boot bootable but I really don't think it matters at all i just like seeing the asterisk I guess |
| 04:20.01 | white_magic | errr defaults should do just find.. now that i think about it |
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| 04:20.28 | pfred1 | i want to try noatime I hear it can help performance but i need to read about it some more |
| 04:22.26 | pfred1 | white_magic this noatime may be worthshile |
| 04:22.27 | white_magic | yes, theoretically, i'm sure ;) |
| 04:22.32 | white_magic | maybe next time |
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| 04:22.46 | white_magic | im just hoping to get to a workable state this time around |
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| 04:23.06 | pfred1 | white_magic you can edit fstab anytime |
| 04:23.15 | white_magic | ahh good point |
| 04:23.40 | pfred1 | I mean it is where I'll do it |
| 04:23.49 | white_magic | pfred1: while we're at it, is there a good way to image the entire win7 install from within linux so it could be restored to any HDD out there? |
| 04:24.02 | Serajewe1KS | white_magic: dd |
| 04:24.09 | white_magic | dd does a blind copy... |
| 04:24.19 | pfred1 | white_magic there was someone in ##linux just trying to do that with a USB drive and it wasn't working out too well for them |
| 04:24.37 | white_magic | i used driveimage xml under windoze to do a full system image |
| 04:24.45 | white_magic | but i dont think any linux app could be used to make the restore |
| 04:25.07 | white_magic | so i would have to organize a Bart PE-based boot disc if i needed to restore the entire image.. |
| 04:25.22 | pfred1 | they claimed there was a linear speed decrease with filesize it was all very strange |
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| 04:25.49 | white_magic | speed decrease in doing what? |
| 04:26.03 | pfred1 | just copying their Windows to a USB drive |
| 04:26.14 | Serajewe1KS | white_magic: what's wrong with a blind copy? |
| 04:26.22 | pfred1 | they said he longer the copy went the slower it went |
| 04:26.25 | white_magic | Serajewe1KS, nothing except for how insanely long it takes |
| 04:26.53 | white_magic | Serajewe1KS: i started a dd blind copy of the entire HDD since i easily had the space to accomodate a 320gb hdd |
| 04:27.13 | white_magic | the problem was how ridiculously slow the xfer went onto an external usb 2.0 (5400rpm) drive |
| 04:27.16 | pfred1 | they were running into problems long before 120GB |
| 04:27.19 | white_magic | it would have taken a day easily |
| 04:27.45 | white_magic | it's unfortunate, though. there could be a tool that would make this work better |
| 04:28.07 | white_magic | for example, on windows there is a very cool file transfer handling app called 'teracopy' which ensures that file transfer is always done at maximal speed |
| 04:28.17 | white_magic | not sure how this is done, but the app always delivers on this |
| 04:28.31 | white_magic | i wish there was a linux imaging tool with a similar capability |
| 04:28.32 | konr | How can I create a new package for debian? |
| 04:28.38 | white_magic | dpkg? |
| 04:28.47 | white_magic | man dpkg... |
| 04:28.53 | konr | hmm |
| 04:28.54 | Serajewe1KS | white_magic: try partimage |
| 04:29.01 | konr | and later, how can I submit? |
| 04:29.26 | white_magic | serajew1Ks: it's for partitions only.. and it doesn't even support ext4 apparently |
| 04:29.40 | white_magic | i think the best linux partition backup tool at the moment is fsarchiver |
| 04:29.50 | white_magic | i used it to back up my ubuntu install |
| 04:30.00 | SerajewelKS | the best linux backup tool is tar |
| 04:30.12 | white_magic | haha i never thought of using tar for partition backup |
| 04:30.19 | white_magic | but seeing how everything on linux is a file.. including partitions.. |
| 04:30.21 | pfred1 | white_magic I ran one Linux setup for 8 years once until the caps on the mobo blew out never lost a bit of data |
| 04:30.30 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: partitions are not files |
| 04:30.33 | white_magic | no? |
| 04:30.41 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: (they are accessible through a file-like interface) |
| 04:30.50 | white_magic | '/dev/sdWHATEVER' is not a file? |
| 04:30.58 | white_magic | oh i suppose you could argue it taht way |
| 04:31.02 | pfred1 | white_magic i actually took that HDD built another system out of junk around it and it still ran |
| 04:31.05 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: no, it's a block device |
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| 04:31.17 | white_magic | pfred1: that's neat.. but why are you telling me this :) |
| 04:31.24 | white_magic | i know how amazingly reliable linux is |
| 04:31.41 | white_magic | or are you saying that you backed it up regularly..? |
| 04:31.42 | pfred1 | white_magic just saying barring hardware failure backing up well it doesn't come up in Linux |
| 04:31.51 | white_magic | what does not? |
| 04:31.59 | pfred1 | white_magic data loss |
| 04:32.02 | white_magic | ahhh |
| 04:32.06 | white_magic | that's assuming no human error! |
| 04:32.14 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: and you wouldn't tar up /dev/sdX, you would tar up the contents of the volume |
| 04:32.35 | white_magic | Sera: so... what would you enter for the command then, as an example? |
| 04:32.37 | white_magic | just for curiosity |
| 04:32.49 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: that way you can untar into any volume, which is great. i had a case where a hard drive i bought had 16 bad sectors smack in the middle of the drive. |
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| 04:33.05 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: i could not restore an image, because those 16 sectors of data would be completely lost |
| 04:33.24 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: with tar i just ran mkfs.ext3 with a bad block scan, then untarred the backup into the filesystem |
| 04:33.46 | white_magic | interesting |
| 04:33.47 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS why didn't you return the HDD? |
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| 04:34.35 | white_magic | the one thing i wonder about linux is why they can't agree on a universal package system |
| 04:34.37 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: it was a warranty replacement, and the shop i took it to stole my battery and replaced it with a used one (my battery life prior to the warranty service was 2+ hours -- after, 15 minutes) |
| 04:34.41 | white_magic | why we have deb, rpm, and probably others.. |
| 04:34.42 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: but i couldn't prove it |
| 04:34.58 | white_magic | wow, stealing battery.. is that a local mom & pop type shop that did this? |
| 04:35.07 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: no, it was geek squad |
| 04:35.30 | pfred1 | could have been an honest mistake |
| 04:35.39 | white_magic | wow, i do hope it's a mistake |
| 04:35.57 | pfred1 | never attirbute to malice what can be chalked up for with simple incompetance |
| 04:36.01 | white_magic | as a corporate entity, they generally would be afraid to even enable this type of behavior/mentality |
| 04:36.20 | SerajewelKS | it hardly matters if it was incompetence or not. either way, i'm not buying HP again and i'm not using geek squad again. |
| 04:36.20 | white_magic | question about my debian install: is it common to install an ssh server? does ubuntu have it by default? |
| 04:36.34 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS oh i don't blame you |
| 04:36.36 | SerajewelKS | however, that's the reason why i didn't bother to return the HD |
| 04:36.47 | white_magic | yea, Sera: i only build computers myself and i worked at best buy.. would never pay for geek squad after i saw how things run there |
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| 04:36.59 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS i don't let clowns touch my machines either |
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| 04:37.26 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: the ONLY reason i let them touch it is because the HD that came with the laptop was showing serious SMART errors after 11 months |
| 04:37.34 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: and they are an authorized HP warranty service center |
| 04:37.42 | SerajewelKS | so it was all free |
| 04:37.47 | white_magic | aha, now that makes sense |
| 04:37.48 | somiaj | white_magic: I'd ask #ubuntu about their defaults, but yes install ssh is one of the first thing I'd think many do on debian, and it might come in a task if you use tasksel |
| 04:37.52 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS yeah so you ended up wit ha bad HDD and a bad battery sweet deal |
| 04:37.56 | white_magic | yea i'm going to install it |
| 04:37.57 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: i took an image of my hard drive prior to handing it over |
| 04:38.01 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: sort of |
| 04:38.03 | white_magic | haha good idea |
| 04:38.05 | white_magic | what about file server? |
| 04:38.09 | white_magic | is that a standard thing to install? |
| 04:38.12 | white_magic | is that an FTP server? |
| 04:38.16 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: the HD they put in was 100 GB bigger than the HD that came with the laptop |
| 04:38.31 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: so meh, i got 100 GB (minus 16 bad sectors) in exchange for the battery life |
| 04:38.39 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS you figured your laptop probably wouldn't look any better with a crack going down the screen so why send it back right? |
| 04:38.46 | white_magic | quickly, can someone give me insight into 'file server' install option? |
| 04:38.56 | white_magic | is that an ftp server? |
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| 04:39.02 | somiaj | white_magic: you can use scp or sftp if you have ssh installed, most would say NO on the ftp server. Though if you want a network file system you can use nfs or samba if you want to share filesystems with windows. |
| 04:39.08 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: yeah, i took care of breaking the screen later anyway, had to buy a new one on ebay and install it |
| 04:39.12 | white_magic | ok, i dont need it :) |
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| 04:39.30 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: anyway, to get back to the tar question |
| 04:39.31 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS hey I'm all about do it yourself too |
| 04:40.35 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: to back up /mnt/foo just do: tar --one-file-system -C /mnt/foo -cf /mnt/bar/foo-backup.tar . |
| 04:40.36 | white_magic | i'm all ears |
| 04:41.06 | white_magic | i see |
| 04:41.21 | pfred1 | that would perserve ownership etc? |
| 04:41.21 | SerajewelKS | white_magic: of course, don't write the tar file onto the same device you are backing up. and generally try to back up when the volume is mounted read-only. |
| 04:41.36 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: erm, well... yes and no |
| 04:41.46 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: all attributes are stored during archive creation |
| 04:41.46 | pfred1 | because tar can do all of that |
| 04:41.55 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: you have to give it options during _extraction_ to make it really happen |
| 04:42.02 | pfred1 | heck it can even monkey with your atimes |
| 04:42.07 | somiaj | you can also use rsync if you would rather backup to another filesystem |
| 04:42.22 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: tar has no options to "preserve" ownership during archive creation because it does that whether you ask it to or not |
| 04:42.44 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS then what is the P switch for? |
| 04:42.57 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: that's for extraction, not creation |
| 04:43.02 | pfred1 | I always thought it was to preserve |
| 04:43.10 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: it is. but that's only for when you are extracting. |
| 04:43.17 | pfred1 | ah OK |
| 04:43.25 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: if you don't specify that, tar won't chown anything at all |
| 04:43.35 | pfred1 | it isn't anything I've done in this decade really |
| 04:44.01 | SerajewelKS | summary: with tar, all attributes are recorded when you create the archive -- always. but you have to give it some switches to get it to apply that data to the files during extraction. |
| 04:44.32 | pfred1 | tar is really kooky when you actually use it with a tape drive too |
| 04:45.16 | pfred1 | someday I have to get a DAT drive just so i can play around with it again |
| 04:46.28 | SerajewelKS | oh but yeah, when i took the laptop into geek squad they asked me if i wanted them to back up my data and i told the guy "no, i took a hard disk image. don't even bother reinstalling windows on the new HD, because i'm just going to restore my image over top of it." |
| 04:46.59 | SerajewelKS | he kind of looked at me like "so why the fuck are you bringing your laptop here?" that should have been my first clue. |
| 04:47.25 | pfred1 | whenever I try to work on laptops things never go well for me |
| 04:47.36 | SerajewelKS | oh yeah and they wanted me to "demonstrate the hard drive failure" |
| 04:47.55 | SerajewelKS | so i turned it on, opened the BIOS configuration, ran its built-in SMART test and pointed at the "IMMINENT FAILURE" result |
| 04:48.10 | pfred1 | that should do it |
| 04:48.33 | SerajewelKS | pfred1: the most involved i've got with laptops is replacing the display |
| 04:48.44 | SerajewelKS | battery, memory, and HD are fairly easy |
| 04:49.01 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS so far I've only messed with 2 total basket cases almost had one working well it did then it didn't |
| 04:49.43 | pfred1 | but that experience showed me that most laptop stuff is beyond me |
| 04:49.50 | SerajewelKS | the HP laptop died a horrible death about a year ago. the sound card stopped working intermittently (it wouldn't show up in windows' device manager, nor lspci). |
| 04:50.00 | pfred1 | when i hear that people replace the motherboards in them i am pretty impressed |
| 04:50.03 | SerajewelKS | then the wifi card started to flake the same way |
| 04:50.09 | SerajewelKS | then finally it wouldn't POST |
| 04:50.25 | SerajewelKS | it was about 3-4 years old |
| 04:50.36 | SerajewelKS | that solidified my decision to avoid HP |
| 04:51.02 | pfred1 | most laptops don't seem worth even replacing the batteries on by the time that goes they cost so much might as well take that money and put it towards a new system |
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| 04:51.12 | SerajewelKS | more or less, yeah |
| 04:51.21 | SerajewelKS | when i broke the screen i looked for replacement parts on HP's site |
| 04:51.26 | SerajewelKS | $500 for a new display |
| 04:51.31 | SerajewelKS | for a $650 laptop |
| 04:51.42 | pfred1 | yeah that'd buy a not half bad system |
| 04:52.00 | SerajewelKS | oh, and the power cord? sold as two parts: the cord from the wall to the brick ($50) and the brick piece that attaches to the computer ($80). |
| 04:52.09 | SerajewelKS | 130 fucking dollars for a new power cord |
| 04:52.28 | SerajewelKS | i got a new display for $140 on ebay. power cords were going for $15. |
| 04:52.30 | pfred1 | heh I just got a flatscreen display that didn't have a power cord was some funky thing so I rigged something up for it |
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| 04:52.44 | SerajewelKS | lesson learned: yup, HP still sucks. |
| 04:53.37 | SerajewelKS | been using an alienware m11x for the past 8 months or so |
| 04:53.39 | pfred1 | I made part of my rigged powercord out of an old oil pressure sender |
| 04:53.53 | pfred1 | works great! |
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| 04:54.50 | pfred1 | this laptop was giving someone so many troubles in Windows hey finally gave up on it so they gave it to me |
| 04:55.09 | pfred1 | so far for what it is it seems to work OK |
| 04:55.40 | SerajewelKS | oh yeah, that's always fun. i have relatives who think that when windows shits out they need to get a new computer. so they have me "recover" all their documents, then give me the "broken" computer for my trouble. |
| 04:55.41 | pfred1 | I've only been using it for about 3 days now though so time will tell i guess |
| 04:56.17 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS taking a system to someone coss and they don't usually get very much back out of it |
| 04:56.24 | pfred1 | costs even |
| 04:56.51 | SerajewelKS | if they hired me at my usual rate they would pay far less than a new computer |
| 04:57.03 | SerajewelKS | but whatever, i'll take a free computer |
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| 04:57.46 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS 2 systems I have I got out of the trash |
| 04:58.14 | flouise | hi. I had a debian netinstall usb drive and no network connection. I finished the installation without a network, just the base system. Now aptitude does not display many packages like gnome |
| 04:58.15 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS I was at a garage sale and i asked the lady what about that pile over there she said oh that is trash |
| 04:58.40 | flouise | my sources.list seem fine |
| 04:58.45 | pfred1 | flouise did you update your sources.list file? |
| 04:58.46 | SerajewelKS | flouise: did you run aptitude update? |
| 04:58.52 | flouise | I compared with another computer |
| 04:58.58 | pfred1 | SerajewelKS that was the next question |
| 04:59.32 | pfred1 | flouise pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file i think it is |
| 04:59.32 | flouise | yea.. I did ={ |
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| 05:01.00 | pfred1 | flouise mine has lines like this in it deb http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 05:02.24 | pfred1 | flouise adding contrib non-free get you a lot more packages |
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| 05:04.20 | flouise | pfred1: I guess something was wrong with it just like you said |
| 05:04.37 | pfred1 | flouise by default all Debian gives you is main |
| 05:04.42 | flouise | I copied a sources.list from another pc and it works now |
| 05:04.49 | flouise | thanks |
| 05:05.15 | pfred1 | sure np just make sure you read from the right repository |
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| 05:08.06 | pfred1 | isn't there a way to add the other sources from synaptic even? |
| 05:08.41 | pfred1 | like if you click on them in the left hand pane? |
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| 05:29.02 | acu_ | hey guys I registered my nick before and do not know what password and email I choose - how can I recover that ? |
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| 05:29.21 | acu_ | I know this is irc question - but you know everything |
| 05:30.03 | gnarface | acu_: i'm pretty sure freenode actually has a real support channel to ask this question in |
| 05:30.18 | gnarface | but if i recall correctly they purge nicks that haven't been used in like... 3 months |
| 05:30.24 | gnarface | so chances are you don't have anything to recover |
| 05:30.52 | gnarface | try creating it again and see if it works, first |
| 05:31.12 | acu_ | gnarface you are right right - I am trying to get some help there |
| 05:31.13 | gnarface | and then if that fails, find the official freenode support channel to ask them to give it back to you |
| 05:31.14 | wols | the longer the nick was active, the longer it takes for them to purge it. e.g. a 10 year old nick takes longer inactivity to purge than a 1 year old |
| 05:31.20 | SkilZ | How to make a terminal open in x on a computer I am sshed into so the user sees it? Like my girlfriend is on my other debian, I want a message to pop up so I can write to her |
| 05:31.35 | gnarface | wols: really? that's neat. |
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| 05:31.57 | wols | acu_: you cannot recover it, all you can do is reregister the nick (possibly tell #freenode to drop it if it's been long enough |
| 05:31.59 | pfred1 | SkilZ talk ? |
| 05:32.29 | SkilZ | pfred1: The other end has to have talk open in console and running correct? I want a xterm to pop of on her screen |
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| 05:32.36 | wols | SkilZ: use IM like jabber |
| 05:33.01 | SkilZ | wols: Yeah I am, But I want to trip her out |
| 05:33.09 | pfred1 | SkilZ it was a long lon time ago I used talk but I sort of remember it working as you describe |
| 05:33.15 | SkilZ | Like "The Matrix has you" |
| 05:33.31 | SkilZ | "Knock knock" |
| 05:33.41 | pfred1 | talk does have a spooky look about it |
| 05:33.50 | gnarface | wall or talk work |
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| 05:34.10 | SkilZ | what tty would her x be? |
| 05:34.16 | gnarface | SkilZ: you want the command "wall" but it assumes they have at least one terminal open already |
| 05:34.41 | gnarface | SkilZ: in the matrix, the message he got "knock knock" was through wall |
| 05:34.52 | gnarface | SkilZ: but he had the terminal open already |
| 05:35.29 | gnarface | SkilZ: actually opening a terminal FOR the user is gonna take more hackery and probably on window-manager-specific terms |
| 05:36.28 | pfred1 | do dms even honor ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 05:38.05 | SkilZ | gnarface: How can I open a terminal for her? I am in a ssh session |
| 05:38.26 | SkilZ | Shes using fluxbox |
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| 05:38.34 | gnarface | SkilZ: no idea, sorry |
| 05:38.44 | SkilZ | Okay |
| 05:38.55 | gnarface | SkilZ: its *probably* possible but you're gonna want to read up on fluxbox AND the terminal in question |
| 05:39.37 | gnarface | SkilZ: maybe even a bit of base X11 |
| 05:40.08 | gnarface | SkilZ: i think you can send arbitrary x programs to open on specific displays, if the program supports that |
| 05:40.17 | SkilZ | gnarface: Okay thanks, She has a terminal open and through myssh session I done 'wall' then wrote a message but she didnt see it |
| 05:41.23 | gnarface | SkilZ: wall goes to all terminals. if the terminal she's looking at is noisy or if she's not even looking at it though, there's no way to force her to notice. you'll recall that in the matrix he had the 1 terminal open, full screen |
| 05:41.58 | gnarface | SkilZ: actually i should append that comment. wall may not go to terminals owned by users who have 'mesg' set to 'n' |
| 05:42.07 | gnarface | SkilZ: which is as common of a default as 'y' |
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| 05:42.57 | gnarface | SkilZ: if you want a far easier and more effective way to freak her out |
| 05:43.10 | gnarface | SkilZ: crank the volume of her soundcard mixer up |
| 05:43.16 | gnarface | SkilZ: and then pipe heavy metal to it |
| 05:43.41 | gnarface | SkilZ: that won't require window manager cooperation to get her attention :-D |
| 05:43.41 | SkilZ | hahaha |
| 05:44.26 | SkilZ | gnarface: I have a urxvt terminal open on her fluxbox session, just wondering why she didnt see the wall message in there |
| 05:44.50 | SkilZ | because of the 'mesg' set to 'n'? |
| 05:44.53 | SkilZ | How do I change that |
| 05:45.26 | gnarface | SkilZ: her user may have mesg set to 'n' or she may have it downsized, or she may have some program running in there that's so noisy your message got lost in the flood of other text |
| 05:45.39 | gnarface | SkilZ: do you have root on the machine? |
| 05:45.54 | SkilZ | gnarface: Yes, its just and empty terminal open |
| 05:46.33 | gnarface | SkilZ: fyi this is NOT a great way to evangelize linux to your girlfriend, but if you can "su - [username]" to her user, where [username] is her username, then just run mesg y |
| 05:46.56 | gnarface | SkilZ: it occurs to me though i'm not even sure that can take effect for already-open terminals |
| 05:47.23 | gnarface | SkilZ: worth a try though but if the soundcard is operational and configured to work that's a better option |
| 05:50.08 | gnarface | SkilZ: what you're trying would be far more easily accomplished if you had taken a little more setup time |
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| 06:04.50 | flamingspinach | this is odd. |
| 06:05.25 | flamingspinach | mesa-utils is at 8.0.1-2+b1 in testing, but packages.qa.debian.org says the latest version is 8.0.1-2 and nothing has happened since february |
| 06:06.08 | flamingspinach | even the git repository doesn't show any recent activity http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-xorg/app/mesa-demos.git |
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| 06:10.58 | aLeSD | hi all |
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| 06:11.21 | Lenin_Cat | Which font package contains the anarchism symbol? |
| 06:11.29 | aLeSD | is it possible to make a deb package that download a repository and compile it ? |
| 06:13.29 | wols | aLeSD: yes. e.g. look a the flashplugin-installer in contrib. it doesn't compile but that's possible as well then |
| 06:13.44 | wols | pine and qmail are compiling the source on the system |
| 06:13.45 | aLeSD | wols: thanks |
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| 06:17.58 | jordanm | I believe there are some debian-science packages that come prebuilt, but with an easy way to compile optimized binaries for a particular system. I don't have any specifics to point at, but I recall reading about them a couple times on debian-devel |
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| 06:21.27 | Fudge | hi any idea where i can check what gdm3 exports variable wise before logging in a user? |
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| 06:24.33 | jordanm | Fudge: cat /proc/<pid>/environ | tr '\0' '\n' ? |
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| 06:25.15 | jordanm | Fudge: that can show you all the environment variables of the gdm3 proc |
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| 06:27.27 | Fudge | nice |
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| 06:28.37 | jordanm | actually, that is a bad use of cat. tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/<pid>/environ |
| 06:29.06 | Fudge | mm, jordanm what is hapenning is orca screen reader starts as it shoudl for gdm3, but even though its in /xdg/autostart and orca has load on startup ticked it does not start automatically once logged into a user |
| 06:29.24 | Fudge | i thought maybe at-spi or something wasnt loading maybe |
| 06:29.47 | Dewi | jordanm: nothing wrong with cat for readability & maintainability |
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| 06:32.11 | jordanm | Dewi: I think the version without cat is just as readable and maintainable. IMO the only real use for cat inside of a script is for a here document eg cat << EOF foo EOF |
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| 06:32.55 | jordanm | Dewi: I do use it quite often interactively though, because its easy to cat something and then think "hey, I want to format this differently", hit the up arrow and pipeline it up :) |
| 06:33.16 | Dewi | jordanm: yeah that's mainly what I mean. You could also use it to concatenate :) |
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| 06:33.32 | jordanm | Fudge: if you are using gnome, have you tried setting it in the autostart for that specific user? |
| 06:33.57 | Fudge | it is already |
| 06:34.04 | Fudge | i think thats what the checkbox in orca prefs does |
| 06:34.08 | jordanm | does it start manually? |
| 06:34.11 | jordanm | ,info orca |
| 06:34.13 | judd | No record of package 'orca' in squeeze/i386. |
| 06:34.17 | Fudge | there is a .deskto script in /etc/xdg/autostart too, is that the same thing? |
| 06:34.24 | Fudge | yes manually it does |
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| 06:34.53 | jordanm | I am not sure if gnome uses /etc/xdg/autostart or not |
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| 06:35.21 | jordanm | there is a GUI in gnome that is user specific. I would check to see if it is present there |
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| 06:35.50 | Fudge | yes jordanm it is, ill check again though |
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| 06:36.11 | Fudge | yep it is |
| 06:36.56 | TFGBD | How do I make a debootstrap image of etch now that it is "unsupported"? |
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| 06:38.00 | jordanm | Fudge: have you check ~/.xsession_errors, or tried starting it via the .desktop icon in /etc/xdg/autostart directly? |
| 06:38.21 | Fudge | no and no |
| 06:38.23 | Fudge | ill try |
| 06:38.31 | TFGBD | Will I have to modify the debootstrap scripts to point to a different mirror? |
| 06:39.06 | jordanm | TFGBD: you need to use http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
| 06:39.34 | TFGBD | is that all? |
| 06:39.40 | jordanm | should be, yes |
| 06:39.43 | TFGBD | What do I edit, exactly? |
| 06:40.15 | jordanm | the mirror is a required arg on the CLI. are you trying this for pbuilder? |
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| 06:40.46 | jordanm | try debootstart etch /path/to/dir http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
| 06:41.00 | TFGBD | Ah, thank you. |
| 06:41.00 | jordanm | well... with the command not typoed |
| 06:41.06 | TFGBD | I'll figure it out. |
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| 06:42.29 | TFGBD | It's for a foreign arch, actually |
| 06:43.28 | TFGBD | So it would be " debootstart --foreign --arch mipsel etch /path/to/dir http://archive.debian.org/debian/" I imagine |
| 06:43.44 | TFGBD | er, debootstrap* |
| 06:44.07 | Fudge | jordanm speech-dispatcher(3854): Operation not permitted |
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| 06:44.18 | Fudge | that is what orca uses as a speech server |
| 06:44.22 | jordanm | I have never used the --foreign, but I doubt you will be able to chroot into the bootstrap with binaries for a different arch |
| 06:44.48 | jordanm | Fudge: that is from ~/.xsession_errors? |
| 06:44.54 | TFGBD | I'm going to copy it to another machine. |
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| 06:45.00 | jordanm | TFGBD: seems about right though |
| 06:45.08 | ranix | --foreign delays the configuration of the packages until first boot, iirc |
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| 06:45.26 | TFGBD | And then you need to run the stage two manually? |
| 06:45.37 | ranix | it works surprisingly well - such that I have used it several times to bootstrap arm and mips from x86 and didn't bother to find out how it works |
| 06:45.46 | ranix | because it never acted oddly |
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| 06:46.19 | Fudge | yes jordanm |
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| 06:46.53 | jordanm | Fudge: does it only output that when autostarted, but not when manually started? |
| 06:47.17 | TFGBD | Etch is the last that supports a 2.4.x kernel, right? |
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| 06:47.33 | Fudge | i fixed those errors but it still does not start by itself |
| 06:48.13 | TFGBD | lenny just says "FATAL: kernel too old" when I try to chroot it |
| 06:48.15 | wols | TFGBD: probably, but it had a 2.6.18 by default |
| 06:48.16 | jordanm | TFGBD: sarge |
| 06:48.26 | wols | or that |
| 06:48.51 | TFGBD | 2.4.37 is what I'm running with, by the way. |
| 06:49.58 | TFGBD | Do you think etch will work with that? |
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| 06:50.37 | jordanm | it didn't come packaged with a 2.4, but you could try it. sarge would be the safe bet though |
| 06:51.38 | jordanm | TFGBD: there may be some info in the etch release notes. I am betting it covers somewhere upgrades from a 2.4 kernel |
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| 06:53.39 | jordanm | Fudge: you could try cheating and autostart a shell script that starts it manually |
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| 06:53.59 | TFGBD | Does QEMU-KVM have any sort of MIPS support yet? |
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| 06:54.44 | jordanm | TFGBD: it does according to wikipeida |
| 06:55.02 | TFGBD | But I guess I'd need a 2.6 kernel for that. |
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| 06:56.09 | jordanm | TFGBD: KVM is not required for qemu emulation |
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| 06:56.24 | TFGBD | Oh, I know. I want the virtualization bits. |
| 06:56.36 | TFGBD | It would be pointlessly slow otherwise. |
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| 06:56.58 | ranix | isn't qemu pointlessly slow anyway |
| 06:57.11 | TFGBD | Heh, it's faster than bochs. |
| 06:57.13 | jordanm | I have used vbox in pure software mode, and it was useable |
| 06:57.16 | TFGBD | You must give it that. |
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| 06:59.02 | TFGBD | Vbox or VMWare are still VMs. It doesn't emulate the entire x86 on x86. QEMU without KVM or one of the other accelerator modules is just a straight emulator |
| 06:59.16 | Fudge | thanks anyway jordanm i can start it with ctrl alt o |
| 07:00.24 | jordanm | Fudge: good to see that you have a suitable solution |
| 07:00.57 | Fudge | thanx m8 |
| 07:01.04 | jordanm | np |
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| 07:26.17 | dym | Hey, after restoring an mdraid level 1 which had a broken hd and resyncing with dd the server wont boot. it stops at "GRUB" - how do i restore the bootmanager properly? "grub" console dont seem to work |
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| 07:34.24 | SkilZ | Anything like OS X photobooth for linux? |
| 07:35.01 | jham | cheese :D |
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| 07:35.25 | jordanm | picasa? |
| 07:36.20 | streuner | dpkg, info cheese |
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| 07:36.34 | dpkg | cheese: (tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam), section gnome, is optional. Version: 3.0.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 168 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
| 07:36.45 | dym | Oh dear... Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64) |
| 07:37.22 | jordanm | did you rm it? |
| 07:37.25 | dym | nah |
| 07:37.38 | dym | This is the state after the failed hd was input and the raid resynced |
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| 07:37.57 | jordanm | was /boot part of the raid? |
| 07:38.00 | dym | yes |
| 07:38.06 | dym | of one |
| 07:38.10 | SkilZ | Sorry I meant like 'preview' to view photo liberys not take photos |
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| 07:38.22 | jordanm | dym: does the file exist? fs need a fsck? |
| 07:38.29 | jordanm | SkilZ: picasa |
| 07:38.46 | dym | jordanm: oddly enough /boot only holds a grub folder |
| 07:39.10 | dym | fsck showed okay. can i somehow recover the old state? |
| 07:39.29 | SkilZ | E: Unable to locate package picasa |
| 07:39.35 | jordanm | dym: just fire up a live environment, chroot into the install and reinstall the kernel package |
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| 07:39.44 | dym | jordanm: right |
| 07:40.02 | jordanm | SkilZ: its not officially part of debian (thus technically not supported here) |
| 07:40.12 | dym | jordanm: well, this is what caused the error a dpkg-reconfigure of the kernel package |
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| 07:40.32 | jordanm | dym: what error? |
| 07:40.56 | dym | Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64) |
| 07:41.18 | dym | @ jordanm |
| 07:41.22 | jordanm | you need an actual reinstall of the kernel package, not a reconfigure |
| 07:41.27 | jordanm | you are missing the kernel image file |
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| 07:41.54 | dym | trying |
| 07:42.03 | jordanm | reconfigure just runs maintainer scripts, it does not reinstall files |
| 07:42.51 | SkilZ | jordanm: Why not? |
| 07:43.00 | SkilZ | jordanm: How can I get it? from the google page? |
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| 07:44.00 | dym | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/8Kha4YYv <-- not nice. |
| 07:44.27 | jordanm | SkilZ: because of its licensing. you can get it from the google page |
| 07:45.14 | jordanm | dym: what about the output before that. what kind of raid was/is this? |
| 07:45.39 | dym | this is a raid 1 with 3 raids which are /boot - swap and / |
| 07:45.43 | dym | mdraid |
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| 07:46.22 | dym | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/wCknsCbd |
| 07:47.27 | dym | Also: where has the grub-shell gone? |
| 07:47.30 | dym | in grub2 |
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| 07:48.42 | jordanm | dym: rm /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 07:48.55 | jordanm | dym: then run grub-install <drive> and try again |
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| 07:49.19 | dym | jordanm: Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 07:49.25 | dym | time4reboot |
| 07:49.34 | jordanm | dym: you mean the kernel package? |
| 07:49.46 | dym | oh |
| 07:49.53 | dym | good idea |
| 07:50.00 | dym | jordanm: nah, that was just grub |
| 07:50.00 | jordanm | sorry "try again" meant try to install the kernel package again :) |
| 07:51.13 | dym | okay, ran through without problems |
| 07:51.14 | SkilZ | If I edit /etc/hosts and put 'www.youtube.com 127.0.0.1' will that block access to youtube? |
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| 07:51.38 | dym | jordanm: done. went okay. rebooting. |
| 07:52.17 | jordanm | dym: should be good then. what it looked like is grub-probe was reading info on a disk that didn't exist from device.map |
| 07:52.41 | dym | aka the old setup? |
| 07:52.47 | dym | with the old disk |
| 07:52.52 | jordanm | SkilZ: ip goes before hostname, but also without the www |
| 07:53.05 | jordanm | dym: yes |
| 07:53.10 | dym | jordanm: makes sense. |
| 07:53.10 | SkilZ | thanks |
| 07:53.46 | jordanm | SkilZ: I mean you would want both. that doesn't actually "block access", but will for anyone who doesn't know what DNS is |
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| 07:54.02 | dym | jordanm: up and running. tyvm |
| 07:54.08 | SkilZ | for for my girlfriend |
| 07:54.09 | jordanm | dym: anytime |
| 07:54.28 | jordanm | SkilZ: why isn't your gf allowed to watch youtube? |
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| 07:54.40 | SkilZ | jordanm: Because I have a 3gb limit |
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| 07:55.27 | eagles0513875 | hey guys what file do i need to put vhosts in for apache? |
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| 07:55.53 | jordanm | eagles0513875: individual files in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 07:56.07 | jordanm | eagles0513875: enable with a2ensite |
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| 07:56.18 | eagles0513875 | jordanm: so something like 001-sitename vhost info |
| 07:56.22 | Tadpole | hey guys |
| 07:56.24 | eagles0513875 | then i dont need to simlink that to anything |
| 07:56.26 | SkilZ | jordanm: Do I have to restart anything now ive edited the file? |
| 07:56.32 | Tadpole | is it possible to dual boot windows with debian? |
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| 07:57.26 | thescrutator | Tadpole: of course. |
| 07:57.28 | jordanm | eagles0513875: a2ensite does the symlink. files are processed in a sorted order based on your locale. that is why the example starts with 001 or w/e |
| 07:57.37 | jordanm | SkilZ: no |
| 07:58.02 | eagles0513875 | jordanm: just need to name the file test123 and then a2ensite does the rest like numbers it etc |
| 07:58.17 | jordanm | SkilZ: the browser could have the IP info cached though |
| 07:58.54 | jordanm | eagles0513875: ah, didn't realize |
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| 07:59.11 | eagles0513875 | or should i name it 002-test123 |
| 07:59.48 | eagles0513875 | basically my question is thsi do i name the file in sites-available test123 and a2ensite adds the 002 etc or do i need the 002-test123 the vhost and a2ensite takes care of the rest |
| 08:00.05 | SkilZ | How to install skype |
| 08:00.52 | streuner | SkilZ: /msg dpkg skype and please learn how to use dpkg |
| 08:01.31 | streuner | SkilZ: infobot.org |
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| 08:02.22 | jordanm | eagles0513875: I have always added the numbers. the only time it would matter is if two configurations in them conflicted. the configuration set in the file that is processed first will be used |
| 08:02.39 | eagles0513875 | ok |
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| 08:04.10 | SkilZ | I have installed 'cheese' but in the terminal 'cheese' does not load it? |
| 08:04.57 | jordanm | dpkg --listfiles cheese |
| 08:04.57 | dpkg | jordanm: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:05.01 | streuner | its part of GNOME |
| 08:05.09 | streuner | SkilZ: ^^^ |
| 08:05.37 | Tadpole | how the hell do i download debian |
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| 08:05.44 | Tadpole | all the .iso files are in parts :/ |
| 08:06.03 | streuner | www.debian.org and look at the upper right side |
| 08:06.24 | streuner | there is a link, just download multiarch iso, thats usually enough |
| 08:07.20 | Tadpole | wat bout torrent? |
| 08:07.41 | SkilZ | Tadpole: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 08:08.45 | streuner | Tadpole: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ , but i recommend to download the iso just directly |
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| 08:10.23 | Tadpole | mmk |
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| 08:21.46 | sickgut | how do i get tor to run debian squeeze, i have apt getted it |
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| 08:21.52 | SkilZ | Why can't my sound card handle multiple sound events as it can in windows? |
| 08:21.57 | sickgut | i have installed iceweasel |
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| 08:22.07 | SkilZ | IE, I can't ear IM sounds when listening to music |
| 08:22.10 | sickgut | and the torbutton |
| 08:23.01 | sickgut | but there is some problem s the ieweasel tr test ails to connect and says polipo now working even tho its running |
| 08:23.28 | sickgut | not working even tho its running i meanb |
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| 08:24.55 | fenugreek | SkilZ: listening to music via what? |
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| 08:25.11 | Tadpole | whats that box thing that debian has but in windows? |
| 08:25.24 | fenugreek | Tadpole: eh? |
| 08:25.33 | wols | Tadpole: virtualbox? fluxbox? |
| 08:25.35 | Tadpole | how u can change ur window and a box flips around |
| 08:25.51 | fenugreek | Tadpole: ah, there are a number of implementations |
| 08:25.55 | fenugreek | compiz, KDE has one |
| 08:25.57 | wols | compiz? |
| 08:26.00 | SkilZ | fenugreek: XMMS2 |
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| 08:27.53 | SkilZ | Tadpole: Use KDE Plasma |
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| 08:30.31 | kristian_ | greetings |
| 08:31.01 | kristian_ | so, I managed to install on a USB stick and use as the OS in a media center - works pretty good :) |
| 08:31.18 | zoujieorg | Is there anyone could help me,,witch file I can modify,,,then,I can set SCIM as default input method? |
| 08:31.22 | kristian_ | apart from using ext2 and no swap, is there something I should be aware of? |
| 08:31.52 | kristian_ | also, it appears that my graphics driver is not loaded... this is annoying |
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| 08:32.08 | kristian_ | I start X with xinit /usr/bin/xterm |
| 08:32.23 | zoujieorg | Is there anyone could help me,,witch file I can modify,,,then,I can set SCIM as default input method? |
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| 08:34.19 | zoujieorg | How could I set SCIM as default input method? |
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| 08:42.50 | babilen | zoujieorg: Please read /usr/share/doc/scim/README.* (start with README.Debian.gz) |
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| 08:43.38 | babilen | zoujieorg: You could also run im-switch - but please read the documentation first. I would also recommend to ask in #debian-zh for help in Chinese. |
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| 08:45.55 | zoujieorg | thanks.. |
| 08:46.15 | zoujieorg | but I have this problem in meego not debian... |
| 08:46.29 | zoujieorg | there is no im-switch command |
| 08:46.44 | fenugreek | zoujieorg: mmm, but you're in #debian, not #meego |
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| 08:47.28 | zoujieorg | ah...#meego,,,,seems no one want to answer... |
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| 08:47.52 | zoujieorg | but thanks a lot ,,I will read README |
| 08:48.04 | PerfDave | zoujieorg: You're having trouble with Meego, asking in #debian won't get you good answers. |
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| 08:48.46 | zoujieorg | oh... |
| 08:49.12 | fenugreek | zoujieorg: it is a little early |
| 08:49.31 | zoujieorg | I got.. |
| 08:50.04 | zoujieorg | here is afternoon... |
| 08:50.11 | zoujieorg | in WuHan.. |
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| 08:51.02 | Llywelyn | hi ! is there a version of freecell for debian ? (i have no DE, just fluxbox) |
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| 08:52.34 | PerfDave | Llywelyn: Have you looked? :) apt-cache search and packages.debian.org might eb good places to start. |
| 08:52.36 | fenugreek | Llywelyn: apt-cache search freecell |
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| 08:55.31 | Llywelyn | fenugreek ; PerfDave: thank you very much ;) |
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| 08:56.46 | Llywelyn | one more thing: will it run okay on a 300mhz cpu ? |
| 08:56.54 | Lionel_ | Hello :), does someone know an option to force aptitude to use text mode only ( and dont use "graphical text" ) |
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| 08:57.36 | PerfDave | Lionel_: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 08:57.42 | fenugreek | Llywelyn: yes |
| 08:58.08 | Llywelyn | fenugreek: perfect then, i and my grandparents thank you warmly ;) |
| 08:58.15 | fenugreek | np |
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| 08:59.20 | Lionel_ | PerfDave : when i launch aptitude install mysql-server-5.0, a "line-drawing" interface appear to ask me root password, i want to avoid that ( because i want to use expect script ) |
| 08:59.20 | wols | Lionel_: aptitude install <stuff> for example. or you can use apt-get only which has no ncurses UI |
| 08:59.45 | PerfDave | Lionel_: Thats' not aptitude, that's dpkg |
| 08:59.46 | wols | Lionel_: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 08:59.57 | PerfDave | Or ratehr debconf |
| 09:00.04 | PerfDave | Yeah, wols has it |
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| 09:00.58 | wols | Lionel_: you want the "readline" option I guess. however: this is a system wide setting and will be used for all package installs from now on. I dunno how to switch it only for the current installation task but it might be doable with a dpkg option or an apt one |
| 09:01.58 | wols | Lionel_: http://people.debian.org.tw/~chihchun/2008/03/06/noninteractive-dpkg-installation-on-debian-system/ for example |
| 09:02.03 | Lionel_ | wols : if i set for all install on that machine it is ok, what should i do to activate this "text-only" option ? |
| 09:02.19 | Lionel_ | wols : ok, thanks |
| 09:02.36 | wols | Lionel_: no need for expect it seems |
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| 09:05.29 | Lionel_ | wols : what do you mean? :) |
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| 09:07.26 | Lionel_ | wols : ok, debconf sounds great :) |
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| 09:26.00 | rvsjoen | anyone happen to have a clue why ktechlab is in lenny, squeeze and sid, but not wheezy ? |
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| 09:26.30 | wols | rvsjoen: packages.qa.debian.org maybe. usually some bugreport or other |
| 09:26.59 | wols | !why is ktechlab not in testing |
| 09:26.59 | dpkg | ktechlab is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ktechlab |
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| 09:28.02 | rvsjoen | I tried getting the source and compiling it, but it needs kde-config, which apt-file search does not seem able to find in wheezy |
| 09:28.11 | rvsjoen | it is certainly not my day.. |
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| 09:29.44 | wols | rvsjoen: try to install the sid one in wheezy? or the squeeze one. it might be fine with dependencies, if you are lucky |
| 09:30.06 | wols | install via dpkg -i btw, not apt |
| 09:30.09 | rvsjoen | I think i'll try the one in squeeze first |
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| 09:30.54 | mjmt | How come #debian isn't ##debian? |
| 09:31.12 | fenugreek | mjmt: because ## isn't enforced |
| 09:31.13 | wols | cause #debian is run by the real debian project |
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| 09:31.33 | wols | fenugreek: sorta is. e.g. ##windows |
| 09:31.47 | wols | selectively enforced tho, yes |
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| 09:31.54 | fenugreek | AKA not enforced =P |
| 09:31.59 | ali___ | hi |
| 09:32.22 | fenugreek | ali___: hi |
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| 09:32.35 | ali___ | i'm need tutorial install all header gcc |
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| 09:33.06 | themill | fenugreek: I'm not sure that #freenode would agree with you on that. |
| 09:33.17 | fenugreek | themill: I'm sure they wouldn't |
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| 09:33.24 | fenugreek | such is the behavior of the insane |
| 09:34.25 | ali___ | i'm need tutorial install all header gcc [#include <asm/page.h]... |
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| 09:35.02 | themill | ali___: what are you actually trying to do |
| 09:36.00 | ali___ | themill: compile |
| 09:36.18 | themill | Compile what? A stamp collection? |
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| 09:39.05 | rvsjoen | dpkg: wheezy -> sid |
| 09:39.05 | dpkg | rvsjoen: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:39.14 | rvsjoen | meh |
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| 09:39.37 | file-exists-p | hi people. where is the package metamail in squeeze ? |
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| 09:39.48 | file-exists-p | anything to replace the "mimencode" command ? |
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| 09:47.12 | RichiH | how crazy and destructive would it be to have a loop-mounted swap file file on / ? |
| 09:48.34 | file-exists-p | ok, no need for metamail, mimencode can be replaced by base64 for my usages |
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| 09:48.35 | file-exists-p | ++ |
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| 09:49.07 | eagles0513875 | hey guys im encountering a very interesting issue in squeeze |
| 09:49.23 | eagles0513875 | where after a while i am unable to click between apps on kde and i have to use alt tab to switch between the 2 |
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| 09:52.12 | delight | I'm about to install debian squeeze on my laptop (8gb dual-core) it was running on 32bit ubuntu with a pae kernel till now - I was wondering if there is a pae kernel for squezze |
| 09:52.25 | delight | in that way I could hang on to the 32bit system |
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| 09:53.16 | babilen | delight: With that amount of RAM I would recommend to install amd64 -- But yes, there are pae kernels fopr Squeeze in the -bigmem package. |
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| 09:54.15 | babilen | delight: You could also install an amd64 on a i386 system, but that will cause problems if you want to compile kernel modules such as fglrx or nvidia. |
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| 09:54.27 | babilen | s/an amd64/an amd64 one/ |
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| 09:54.54 | delight | babilen: have tryed 64bit a couple... but I allways ran into problems with properitary progs |
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| 09:55.02 | babilen | delight: Such as? |
| 09:55.16 | delight | babilen: flash ;) |
| 09:55.39 | babilen | delight: That shouldn't be a problem. What issues did you run into? |
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| 09:56.34 | delight | babilen: my keyboard is ubuntu right now ... got a few kworker processes going kuku slowing the system and blocking my keyboard |
| 09:56.47 | delight | blocking ^ ^ |
| 09:57.23 | delight | thats why I'm about to get rid of natty (kubuntu) |
| 09:58.00 | delight | flash is not up to date in 64bit ... in the wrapper it was crashing |
| 09:58.06 | babilen | delight: I am not quite sure what you are trying to tell me, but I interpreted it as "Can't type right now because my Ubuntu install is broken". I can assure you that flash works on amd64. |
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| 09:58.52 | delight | babilen: you got it ... typing is a PITA ... keyboard is blocking every 2 - 3 seks |
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| 09:58.59 | totte | I'm on squeeze and trying to figure out how to install the PHP5/MySQL PDO and pdo_mysql extensions to run Piwik. The php5-common package is installed but are they included in that one? Various websites suggest building PHP --with-pdo-mysql. :/ |
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| 09:59.23 | babilen | delight: ack |
| 09:59.44 | wols | totte: php5-mysql. install it, restart apache2 possibly, done |
| 10:00.07 | delight | babilen: I'm better of with 32-pae ;) thnx for the info so far |
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| 10:00.38 | wols | !bigmem |
| 10:00.38 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM on squeeze and lenny systems supporting <PAE>. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead. See also <686-pae>. |
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| 10:00.53 | totte | wols: I like you. A LOT. |
| 10:01.03 | trnzmeta | hmmm |
| 10:01.21 | wols | totte: I like myself as well |
| 10:01.33 | babilen | delight: It should be noted that PAE comes at a price and that a single process will never be abl to address all your RAM. But it is your decision and you don't have to follow my suggestion. :) |
| 10:02.06 | PerfDave | delight: There's a Flash 11 beta for amd64, if you like proprietary crap. |
| 10:02.08 | delight | babilen: I know about that and its fine for a system |
| 10:02.32 | delight | PerfDave: ;) ... not liking it but living with it |
| 10:02.55 | delight | there is more like Notes Client, that I only get in 32 bit |
| 10:03.00 | delight | stuff like that |
| 10:03.13 | babilen | delight: But if flash is your only reason: There is absolutely nothing wrong with flash on amd64 (apart from it being flash and natively 32bit, but it works without problems) -- /me shuts up now. |
| 10:03.50 | babilen | delight: Ah, so it isn't just flash. You should have mentioned that :) |
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| 10:05.23 | delight | babilen: nevermind ... I was early adopting 64bit since 2006 ... but allways ran into problems ... i made my discision on that ... 64 on server , 32 on the client <- at least for now |
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| 10:06.36 | delight | babilen: I sad its more ;) in the start ... but since my keyboard drives me crazy i just buzzed flash ;) |
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| 10:07.32 | delight | babilen: thnx anyways for the infos ... I'll start backuping my stuff now ;) |
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| 10:10.38 | ali___ | i'm need tutorial install all header gcc [#include <asm/page.h]... |
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| 10:13.05 | babilen | ali___: I would suggest to install the build-essential package and take it from there. Headers for specific libraries are typically in -dev packages and you can search for them using apt-cache, aptitude or other tools. |
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| 10:15.12 | themill | ali___: it would be easier to help you if you'd tell us what you're compiling. |
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| 10:20.37 | m3lvin | Hi, I have a doubt about going to testing or remain in stable, and in general how Debian get's messed up once I start compiling newer versions of packages along with their dependencies, is there a proper way to do this without running into problems? My server is used for storage and python web development so some packages like vim and emacs should be the newest available, I don't run any GUI apps and I think virtualizin |
| 10:20.38 | m3lvin | g is an unnecessary complication. Would you recommend testing or maybe Debian is not the right distribution? Any opinions? |
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| 10:21.28 | PerfDave | Why do you need the latest version of a text editor to store files? |
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| 10:22.12 | m3lvin | PerfDave: I use them for development and some features are missing in the current repo version such as relative line numbering |
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| 10:22.33 | babilen | m3lvin: Don't use testing on production systems, but (maybe) backports and self-created backports. (/msg dpkg ssb ; /msg dpkg bdo) -- The answer to your question depends on the software we are talking about, so it would make sense to tell us more about your specific requirements. |
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| 10:24.30 | babilen | m3lvin: You can backport vim 7.3 and install emacs24 from upstream (/msg dpkg usrlocal ; /msg dpkg stow). But why you need bleeding edge versions of both escapes me. |
| 10:25.08 | m3lvin | babilen: Well the purpose of the server is file storage and workstation but only cli applications for web development, vim, emacs, python, django, nginx, apache, postgresql and so on. I can compile everything myself but I have run into problems previously with dependencies getting messed up. |
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| 10:26.12 | babilen | m3lvin: I would hope that ssb for vim 7.3 is fine and if you really need emacs24 you have to compile it yourself anyway. Give me a second please. |
| 10:26.15 | m3lvin | babilen: I'll look into backporting, thanks |
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| 10:27.52 | mastro | how do I execute a su command with pipes example: su - <user> -c "somecommand params | grep foo" |
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| 10:29.11 | babilen | mastro: Like that |
| 10:30.04 | m3lvin | I'm leaning towards staying in stable as my hosted VPS in production should be as equal as possible to my development environment... But since I just got a new server/workstation I'm trying to decide wether it would be easier to go to testing right away. |
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| 10:31.05 | mastro | babilen, sorry stupid question... and indeed the issue was somewhere else...... in the command itself |
| 10:31.06 | nkuttler | m3lvin: come again? you want to go to testing just to get an obscure feature for an editor? |
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| 10:32.02 | babilen | mastro: No problem, but please give the exact command and its output the next time as it is much easier for us to spot the error that way :) |
| 10:32.21 | babilen | nkuttler: Thanks for asking the obvious |
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| 10:33.03 | nkuttler | babilen: ok, next time i'll ask you for a summary |
| 10:33.16 | neuro_damage | so I made a boo boo I tried to update the rubygems on my system by using the update_rubygems, which seems ot have broken my system, I uninstalled all ruby and rubygems with a purge and then did a re-install but it's still broken |
| 10:33.29 | neuro_damage | are there folders I need to blast away to fix the issue? |
| 10:33.30 | m3lvin | nkuttler: Well I spend most of my day in vim so it is quite nice to have all the new features... But I suppose it's better to remain in stable. |
| 10:34.18 | mastro | babilen, :) the error was in my regex inside the grep.... :P i was so sure about it that didn't look very closely to the error :) |
| 10:34.38 | nkuttler | m3lvin: absolutely |
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| 10:42.40 | SkilZ | I would like to browse my ~ directory on my other debian pc on my network with a filemanager, how can I achive this? |
| 10:42.54 | SkilZ | and copy files to and frow |
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| 10:45.27 | jpinx | SkilZ: sshfs |
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| 10:46.29 | devilchaos | hey |
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| 10:47.15 | SkilZ | jpinx: Im using fluxbox not gnome, does that matter? |
| 10:47.31 | devilchaos | can someone help me out and give me the command for removing one or more characters per line of txt in a txt doc please the doc is too large to do it manualy!? |
| 10:47.54 | dddbmt | Hi guys. When creating a new user with "useradd" and the -p flag for password. Do I need to provide a encrypted password - or will useradd take care of the encryption for me? |
| 10:48.19 | jpinx | no - sshfs should make your srtuff availabld and mounted like any filesystem -use option allow-others |
| 10:48.21 | dddbmt | Should I do "useradd test -p <my-pass>" or "useradd test -p <my-encrypted-pass>" |
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| 10:49.06 | SkilZ | jpinx: what do I have to do now its installed? |
| 10:49.11 | jpinx | dddbmt: afaik pam does the encryption anyway - you enter it in plain |
| 10:49.28 | SkilZ | like to mount it ect |
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| 10:50.03 | dddbmt | jpinx, thanks - that's what I needed to know :) |
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| 10:50.27 | jpinx | SkilZ: read man sshfs ;) use command line for something like sshfs <remoteip> -o allo-others <mountpoint> |
| 10:50.34 | jpinx | sorry for typos |
| 10:50.39 | jpinx | working on my phone |
| 10:51.05 | DariusBane | Hello, just testing the irc client here. Hopefully, I am being read. |
| 10:51.17 | devilchaos | yes u are being read |
| 10:51.29 | DariusBane | Thank you. :) |
| 10:51.33 | devilchaos | welcome |
| 10:51.54 | devilchaos | would cat command be an option ? |
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| 10:52.42 | jpinx | devilchaos: sed I think - but I do not use it myself |
| 10:52.52 | DariusBane | was in another chan, figures it was prolly just dead |
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| 10:53.08 | devilchaos | maybe you didnt have voice in that channel |
| 10:53.25 | DariusBane | possibly |
| 10:53.29 | devilchaos | looking up sed now |
| 10:53.48 | babilen | !tell devilchaos -about sed tutorial |
| 10:54.03 | babilen | !tell devilchaos -about awk |
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| 10:54.25 | DariusBane | can anyone give pointers to a decent 'idiots guide' to crufting with awk while i'm here? |
| 10:54.28 | jpinx | devthanks babilen - saved me a google ;) |
| 10:54.31 | DariusBane | chuckles |
| 10:54.52 | babilen | DariusBane: /msg dpkg awk |
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| 10:56.00 | SkilZ | $ sshfs skilz@192.168.0.1:/home/skilz /home/skilz/server |
| 10:56.07 | SkilZ | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 10:57.02 | DariusBane | likes msg dpkg now ... grins eeevily |
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| 10:58.06 | wols | SkilZ: mount as root |
| 10:58.24 | jpinx | SkilZ: are you root'? |
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| 10:59.08 | jpinx | SkilZ: and don't forget the option allow-others |
| 10:59.16 | jelly | that's the wrong question |
| 10:59.22 | devilchaos | so could i use nl command to remove numbers at the start of each line? |
| 10:59.29 | jpinx | otherwise only root can manipulate files |
| 11:00.06 | jelly | the right question is "is your user a member of group 'fuse', and is /dev/fuse rw for group fuse" |
| 11:00.13 | jpinx | jelly: are you logged in as root :p |
| 11:00.34 | jelly | jpinx: almost always, on screen 1 |
| 11:00.38 | jelly | why? |
| 11:01.06 | jpinx | Ahha - yes -- me too on one screen |
| 11:01.09 | Ragnar | Hey, a quick question. I've got a situation that I'd like to make easier for myself. |
| 11:01.12 | Ragnar | I am supposed to setup somewhat 4 debian boxes up a day, exactly the same hardware/specs and required packages. |
| 11:01.15 | Ragnar | Wouldnt it be alot easier for me to just do a complete image backup of a "finished setup" and then just dd them over to the other machines? Would I be running into some kind of HW ID problems, like, ethernet etc? |
| 11:01.20 | jelly | jpinx: getting paid for it! |
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| 11:01.44 | jelly | Ragnar: it probably would be easier to set up one and clone it, yes |
| 11:01.52 | jpinx | but making fuse available to user can allow for a certain amount of cockups - as I have found in amateur use ;) |
| 11:01.54 | Ragnar | that is what I want to do. |
| 11:02.04 | jelly | Ragnar: read /msg dpkg 70 |
| 11:02.29 | jelly | Ragnar: that's one tinhg to take care of when migrating a whole system to different hardware |
| 11:02.51 | Ragnar | one of many? |
| 11:02.59 | jelly | not too many. |
| 11:03.13 | jelly | you're also going to change hostnames and IP addresses |
| 11:03.22 | Ragnar | yeah, that aint a problem |
| 11:03.27 | Ragnar | I was thinking hardware related |
| 11:03.47 | Ragnar | I should be able to fix that with what you just gave me, yes |
| 11:03.50 | jelly | Linux is pretty resilient in that regard |
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| 11:04.28 | SkilZ | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 11:04.38 | SkilZ | Why I keep getting this error |
| 11:05.35 | jelly | SkilZ: is your user a member of group 'fuse', and is /dev/fuse rw for group fuse? |
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| 11:05.46 | Ragnar | jelly: yeah |
| 11:05.47 | rvsjoen | hmmm ok so I did a full-upgrade to sid, and yet aptitude does not list packages in the sid repository, how odd.. |
| 11:05.48 | Ragnar | thanks :) |
| 11:06.42 | SkilZ | jelly: Ues im a member |
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| 11:07.05 | SkilZ | jelly: How do I make /dev/fuse rw for group fuse? |
| 11:07.52 | jelly | SkilZ: it ought to be set up that way at reboot time |
| 11:08.06 | SkilZ | oh im not a member of 'fuse' how do I become one? |
| 11:08.11 | devilchaos | this is where i fall over on my face with linux i still have no idea what i need to do with gawk or sed dont really have alot of time to spend on the tuts just now am at the library just now |
| 11:08.17 | jelly | SkilZ: adduser username fuse |
| 11:08.32 | jelly | SkilZ: you will have to log off and back on |
| 11:08.32 | SkilZ | Oh I forgot |
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| 11:08.35 | SkilZ | I have to log off |
| 11:08.37 | SkilZ | :) |
| 11:08.41 | SkilZ | brb |
| 11:08.44 | jelly | see, you do have SOME SkilZ |
| 11:08.50 | rvsjoen | when I browse the url that apt is configured to use, the package is there, what can make it not display in an aptitude search ? (yes I did aptitude update) |
| 11:08.54 | SkilZ | :p |
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| 11:12.01 | SkilZ | Great success! |
| 11:12.16 | SkilZ | jelly: High five! |
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| 11:15.08 | rvsjoen | http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/pool/main/k/ktechlab/ <-- aptitude can not see this package but it can see qelectrotech which is at 'http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages' |
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| 11:16.58 | abrotman | judd: versions ktechlab |
| 11:17.00 | judd | Package ktechlab on i386 -- lenny: 0.3-9; squeeze: 0.3.7-10 |
| 11:17.05 | abrotman | because there is no sid version |
| 11:17.12 | rvsjoen | http://packages.debian.org/sid/ktechlab |
| 11:17.19 | rvsjoen | am I being retarded ? |
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| 11:17.53 | abrotman | yes, that's for debports, not amd64 |
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| 11:18.10 | rvsjoen | rr |
| 11:18.10 | abrotman | rvsjoen: geda and xcircuit might work for you? |
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| 11:18.21 | rvsjoen | anything that lets me draw simple digital logic |
| 11:18.25 | rvsjoen | and simulate it |
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| 11:18.29 | abrotman | judd: info geda |
| 11:18.31 | judd | Package geda (electronics, optional) in squeeze/i386: GPL EDA -- Electronics design software (metapackage). Version: 1:1.6.1-5; Size: 1.1k; Installed: 20k; Homepage: http://geda.seul.org/ |
| 11:18.35 | abrotman | judd: info xcircuit |
| 11:18.37 | judd | Package xcircuit (electronics, optional) in squeeze/i386: Draw circuit schematics or almost anything. Version: 3.6.135.dfsg-1; Size: 559.8k; Installed: 2720k; Homepage: http://opencircuitdesign.com/xcircuit/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/xcircuit |
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| 11:19.01 | rvsjoen | ktechlab depends on kdelibs4c2a, maybe thats why it is not there.. |
| 11:19.06 | abrotman | mmm .. seul |
| 11:19.09 | rvsjoen | i'll try those, thanks |
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| 11:19.42 | abrotman | rvsjoen: and there's a small #geda on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:23.18 | rvsjoen | geda is quite nice, but too high level :/ thanks anyway though, i'll see if I can get ktechlab compiled, probably by entering library dependency hell |
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| 11:30.07 | abrotman | rvsjoen: xcircuit no good either? I'm pretty sure that gEDA is used for all sorts of circuit design .. the original author is typically in #geda |
| 11:30.47 | rvsjoen | I browsed quickly through the component list and didn't spot any logic gates, I will pop in and ask though |
| 11:31.15 | archman | Is anyone here successfully using hibernation to a swap file with debian stable? (pm-utils don't support the swap file, and uswsusp and tuxonice are buggy and not in repos) |
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| 11:33.35 | themill | ,info qucs |
| 11:33.36 | judd | Package qucs (electronics, optional) in squeeze/i386: Quite Universal Circuit Simulator. Version: 0.0.15-1; Size: 6055.0k; Installed: 16340k; Homepage: http://qucs.sourceforge.net; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/qucs |
| 11:33.58 | themill | rvsjoen: I think qucs can do digital circuits too; I've only used it for RF. |
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| 11:34.39 | abrotman | rvsjoen: google has people asking specific settings in logic gates in gschem |
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| 11:36.29 | rvsjoen | indeed, I also found this http://gempillar.com/blog/2008/09/15/geda-manager-introduction/ which clearly shows that it can do logic gates |
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| 11:36.33 | rvsjoen | just have to find them :P |
| 11:36.53 | nlla | should sandy bridge onboard graphics work with .39 kernel from backports? |
| 11:37.44 | babilen | nlla: As I've mentioned earlier: You also need Xorg from backports (or more specifically xserver-xorg-video-intel >= 2.15) |
| 11:37.45 | abrotman | nlla: i thought i saw something about xorg also being backported ? |
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| 11:38.52 | nlla | babilen: i installed .39 kernel and xorg. the resolution is fine and all, but after 10s-2min screens goes black and it freezes. |
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| 11:39.38 | nlla | also tried with .38 kernel...same thing happens. |
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| 11:42.10 | babilen | nlla: The system freezes or "just" Xorg? (I don't really have much time now to debug this with you - #debian-x on irc.oftc.net might be of help if noone else here chimes in) |
| 11:42.53 | abrotman | only if it's an xorg problem |
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| 11:43.06 | babilen | abrotman: indeed |
| 11:43.19 | welniak3 | hi :) |
| 11:43.41 | rvsjoen | dia can't rotate objects ? seriously ? |
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| 11:44.00 | brevit | does anyone know how I can tell Iceweasel not to reload all my 100 tabs in 20 windows everytime I reboot my computer but instead to cache the pages and just reload them from cache? |
| 11:44.47 | smhar | greetings |
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| 11:46.00 | nlla | babilen: i think the whole system freezes because power button doesnt do anything after screen goes black |
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| 11:46.23 | SkilZ | Whats the command to shutdown my computer? |
| 11:46.33 | rvsjoen | shutdown ? |
| 11:46.33 | themill | SkilZ: take a wild gues |
| 11:46.34 | archman | SkilZ: shutdown -h now |
| 11:46.53 | SkilZ | Okay wasnt sure about the flags |
| 11:46.55 | SkilZ | cheers |
| 11:47.01 | abrotman | rvsjoen: you can flip it |
| 11:47.08 | doofy_ | man shutdown? |
| 11:47.15 | abrotman | archman: man shutdown .. he can read |
| 11:47.21 | archman | SkilZ: you can use that line, or "take a wild guess", or use man |
| 11:47.23 | archman | :D |
| 11:47.28 | babilen | SkilZ: halt is a handy wrapper |
| 11:47.32 | doofy_ | or pull the plug |
| 11:47.33 | welniak3 | SkilZ: try 'poweroff' :) |
| 11:47.46 | jetscreamer | init 0 |
| 11:47.49 | abrotman | right ... 'man shutdown' should have sufficed |
| 11:48.23 | SkilZ | Or press the button |
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| 11:48.32 | jetscreamer | turn the breaker off |
| 11:48.43 | SkilZ | pour water on my PSU |
| 11:48.52 | SkilZ | that'll shutdown |
| 11:49.05 | SkilZ | I'm making a nice little shutdown button for fluxbox |
| 11:49.07 | welniak3 | no no, it can hurt you :) |
| 11:49.16 | jetscreamer | or just unplug the cpu fan |
| 11:49.25 | jetscreamer | slow but should work |
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| 11:49.39 | babilen | I think SkilZ got the idea |
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| 11:50.13 | SkilZ | ;) |
| 11:50.44 | welniak3 | ok bye :) |
| 11:52.27 | archman | no hibernation...man :/ |
| 11:52.56 | linduxed | ok, i've got a problem with ACLs, where i've ran "setfacl -R -m g:somegroup:rwx,d:g:somegroup:rwx" on some folders, and despite this completing successfully, as soon as a user modifies one of the files there, the group is set to the personal group of the user (so the ownership turns into username:username, when i'd expect it to at least be username:somegroup) |
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| 11:57.08 | SkilZ | Whats the other flash player becides flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:57.13 | SkilZ | to watch youtube |
| 11:57.33 | linduxed | SkilZ: i'd guess you're thinking of the free gnash |
| 11:57.46 | linduxed | SkilZ: but gnash is not completely flash compatible |
| 11:57.59 | linduxed | or well, "finished" is a better word |
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| 12:01.55 | archman | SkilZ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightspark |
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| 12:02.44 | manhunter | when can i use iceweasel version 6 |
| 12:02.55 | manhunter | i can't install firebut for iceweasel |
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| 12:04.18 | archman | manhunter: you can install it from mozilla's repo |
| 12:04.31 | archman | manhunter: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 12:04.47 | doofy_ | firebut? is that firebug? |
| 12:04.51 | archman | yeah |
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| 12:05.31 | abrotman | firebug is packaged too |
| 12:06.30 | archman | manhunter: "release" is 6 |
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| 12:08.12 | manhunter | i have install manually firebug, now how can i delete/unistall it ? |
| 12:09.16 | jpinx-feeding | manhunter: use the same toold as you did to install - dpkg or apt-get and use option -remove |
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| 12:19.27 | rubin110 | Does Nautilus just not support mounting NFS from the GUI anymore? |
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| 12:20.13 | abrotman | in squeeze you mean? |
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| 12:22.00 | smhar | how to use UUID instead of /dev/sda1 notation in grub? |
| 12:22.51 | rubin110 | abrotman: Sure. |
| 12:23.23 | abrotman | smhar: that's the default in grub2 now i believe |
| 12:23.30 | abrotman | rubin110: i don't see it either .. perhaps check the bts |
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| 12:39.41 | healer | hello |
| 12:39.59 | SkilZ | Flash isnt working |
| 12:40.06 | SkilZ | flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version |
| 12:40.27 | SkilZ | but my browser is saying additional plugins required for youtube |
| 12:40.35 | healer | anyone having bluetooth problems on hp620 using ralink wireless chip on debian stable? |
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| 12:42.40 | SkilZ | WTF ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 12:43.10 | SkilZ | should I download from the site and install? |
| 12:43.57 | abrotman | !tell SkilZ about flash |
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| 12:44.00 | abrotman | !tell SkilZ about adobe flash |
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| 12:44.25 | archman | SkilZ: try purgin flashplugin-nonfree and installing it again, that should work already.. |
| 12:44.36 | archman | s/purgin/purging |
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| 12:44.52 | abrotman | he'll have to use the one from backports.debian.org |
| 12:45.04 | archman | why? |
| 12:45.18 | qtx | is there any way to upgrade from stable to testing atm? I was having problems with bug #638950 ? |
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| 12:45.23 | abrotman | because the one in squeeze has a bad checksum |
| 12:45.27 | rozie | as we talk about flash |
| 12:45.30 | rozie | ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 12:45.47 | rozie | after update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 12:45.48 | abrotman | or edit your script to move the check |
| 12:46.01 | archman | hmm, well, download the debian package, fix the check and install with dpkg |
| 12:46.07 | archman | better than fiddling with repos |
| 12:46.21 | rozie | but it worked some days ago? |
| 12:46.28 | archman | yes |
| 12:46.40 | archman | i did a fresh install three days ago, and it worked |
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| 12:47.23 | rozie | OK, time to get flashplugin-nonfree from unstable ;) |
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| 12:48.43 | SkilZ | yeah it worked on my other box a few days back |
| 12:48.50 | SkilZ | How do I fix the check? |
| 12:49.54 | qtx | Has anybody been able to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy in the last 3 days?? |
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| 12:50.28 | rozie | hm. still the same after installing flashplugin-nonfree from unstable |
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| 12:54.49 | healer | qtx:I upgraded over the weekend |
| 12:54.51 | yxa | hi guys, do you think its possible to port RHEL4 running [apache,jdk,jboss,coldfusion,oracle connection] to debian squeeze with the same containers except for apache, i wanna run nginx? |
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| 13:01.07 | jelly | yxa: very likely yes, if jboss and coldfusion support or can be coerced to run on squeeze |
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| 13:07.09 | pinoyoragon | My box(ubuntu 11.04) does not boot normally (display blanks after the grub splash but after 3-5 restarts it goes back to normal. why is that? |
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| 13:17.26 | jelly | yxa: don't know |
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| 13:23.44 | Miesco_ | How do I view a ps file? |
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| 13:23.58 | PerfDave | Miesco_: Do you mean a Postscript file? |
| 13:24.07 | stockholm | Miesco_: evince can do that |
| 13:24.14 | PerfDave | Most PDF readers can read Postscript |
| 13:24.24 | streuner | or gv |
| 13:24.36 | Miesco_ | streuner: Can gv take a file as stdin? |
| 13:25.24 | PerfDave | Miesco_: If it can't, just use a fifo :) |
| 13:25.31 | Miesco_ | Sorry, I don't want anything with gnome/kde libraries |
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| 13:25.47 | Miesco_ | PerfDave: How? |
| 13:25.56 | PerfDave | Miesco_: mkfifo? |
| 13:26.05 | SkilZ | When my system boots up, it gets stuck on Starting MTA: for a good 60 or so seconds |
| 13:26.20 | SkilZ | then finally says EXIM4 then loads the login prompt |
| 13:26.21 | wols | Miesco_: mupdf? |
| 13:26.27 | SkilZ | How can I fix this? |
| 13:26.33 | SkilZ | I dont use local mail |
| 13:26.33 | PerfDave | SkilZ: Fix your exim configuration :) |
| 13:26.41 | PerfDave | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:26.42 | wols | SkilZ: then check the exim logs. or remove exim or replace it with something like nullmailer |
| 13:26.43 | Miesco_ | It seems to work with gv - |
| 13:26.46 | jelly | (or your network or dns configuration) |
| 13:26.54 | petemc | SkilZ: do you have an interface configured to come up automatically but without a working network connection? |
| 13:26.57 | Miesco_ | PerfDave: Oh I see what you mean |
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| 13:30.31 | SkilZ | Fixe |
| 13:30.32 | SkilZ | d |
| 13:30.46 | Miesco_ | Okay I got a fifo: psfile.eps |
| 13:30.56 | Miesco_ | I tried cat file.eps > psfile.eps to test and nothing happend |
| 13:32.28 | Miesco_ | err i'm dumb |
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| 13:34.15 | Miesco_ | So in gnuplot I can do: set output "> pipe1; gv pipe1"? |
| 13:34.39 | brah | Hi. |
| 13:34.53 | brah | A machine crashed and I want to determine what faulted. Where do I start? |
| 13:35.43 | SkilZ | brah: You can check /var/log/syslog |
| 13:36.01 | brah | Am I looking for anything in particular? Some kernel message I assume |
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| 13:36.14 | SkilZ | brah: Yes |
| 13:36.22 | SkilZ | kernel panic ect |
| 13:36.42 | wols | brah: kern.log usually. however: if it crashes it rarely has time to write there. 99% of times you don't find anything |
| 13:37.01 | wols | either connect a screen or set up a serial console |
| 13:37.11 | brah | Dang, I already restarted it. |
| 13:37.14 | zykes- | anyone here know what files are used for what in debian regarding nscd and ldap ? |
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| 13:47.42 | twobitsprite | baww... linux 3.0 doesn't seem to like the nvidia drivers :( |
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| 13:48.34 | wols | twobitsprite: squeeze nvidia drivers? |
| 13:48.42 | wols | it's more like those don't like the 3.0 number |
| 13:49.01 | afuentes | hi, i have a dell vostro 3550. I wonder if i could have a better resolution, but i dont know where to look for what gpu do i have and if i can install ati or nvidia drivers |
| 13:49.30 | twobitsprite | wols: wheezy |
| 13:50.14 | bcopeland | afuentes: lspci should tell you which gpu you have |
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| 13:51.49 | zykes- | noone knows ? |
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| 13:52.59 | wols | twobitsprite: wheezy one should be fine. it's 280.x. but then it's shitty proprietary nvidia software... :P |
| 13:54.07 | wols | zykes-: I suggest a more precise question. less open endedness |
| 13:54.38 | zykes- | wols: just wondering what the diff is, cause setting up ldap client stuff in puppet for debian boxes |
| 13:54.48 | zykes- | and ubuntu, so need to know which file goes where |
| 13:55.02 | wols | afuentes: you run squeeze? |
| 13:55.18 | afuentes | wols, nop |
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| 13:56.53 | shbk | hello, I'm trying to compile simple module, but I can't because I need <linux/module.h>, I've found this file in usr/src/ , it is. but I still receive error. I've found two opinions in web: 1) says, I should only have linux-headers 2) I should compile my kernel. as I understood first idea is wrong, beacause I need full source code, to compile my module. so I need compile kernel. have I right understood? |
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| 13:57.27 | shbk | I'm using ubuntu 10.04 |
| 13:57.45 | babilen | !ubuntuirc shbk |
| 13:57.46 | dpkg | shbk: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 13:58.17 | shbk | it's unimportant, I 've the same problem under debian too |
| 13:58.25 | babilen | shbk: And it is 1) -- But please ask Ubuntu related questions in #ubuntu |
| 13:58.31 | shbk | under virtualbox |
| 13:58.45 | shbk | well, I am using debian |
| 13:58.56 | chmod577 | lol, get it right, are you using debian or not |
| 13:59.14 | shbk | I have both under virtualbox |
| 13:59.47 | babilen | shbk: So, on which one are you trying to solve this issue? |
| 14:00.05 | shbk | both |
| 14:00.06 | chmod577 | i think he wants both |
| 14:00.14 | chmod577 | but since #ubuntu sucks, he's coming to debian |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | shbk: please go to #ubuntu, don't waste our time |
| 14:01.09 | babilen | shbk: Which kernel module are you trying to compile? Do you have the kernel header installed? (e.g. paste output of "uname -a" and "dpkg -l 'linux-*'" to http://paste.debian.net ) What error do you get when you try to compile it? |
| 14:01.47 | jelly | we can only help if the problem can be reproduced on Debian proper |
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| 14:02.29 | shbk | I didn't try yet compile kernel 3.0, because I don't know must I do it or no. I have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33-generic |
| 14:02.45 | jelly | shbk: please provide data from the Debian guest |
| 14:02.59 | babilen | shbk: Please paste the output of the commands I gave you and run it on the Debian guest. |
| 14:03.01 | totte | Hey what permissions do you people have on your .ssh folder? Not the contents but the folder itself? |
| 14:03.11 | jelly | 700 |
| 14:03.23 | shbk | Linux sh-laptop 2.6.32-33-generic #72-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 29 21:08:37 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:03.41 | shbk | but it's unimportant, I want tips |
| 14:03.45 | jelly | totte: sorry, I lied! 755. |
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| 14:03.54 | babilen | shbk: That obviously isn't Debian -- Please go to #ubuntu |
| 14:03.57 | SkilZ | Is the 3.0 kernel stable? |
| 14:03.58 | shbk | should I compile kernel to load module? |
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| 14:04.23 | petern_ | heh |
| 14:04.26 | abrotman | shbk: #debian is for Debian problems, if you need help with Ubuntu, use #ubuntu |
| 14:04.34 | jelly | cue angry private messages |
| 14:04.44 | totte | jelly: I made authorized_keys 600 but shouldn't .ssh itself be only executable and so on by yourself? |
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| 14:04.51 | abrotman | shbk: if you want help in #debian, install Debian, and come back |
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| 14:05.15 | babilen | totte: I have 700 on .ssh (doesn't ssh complain if you have something else?) |
| 14:05.24 | jelly | totte: in general there's no need for it to be go-r, |
| 14:06.04 | totte | babilen: I've got 755 and I'm not sure if I set that value or if it's the default, hence the question. :/ |
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| 14:06.46 | totte | I read that authorized_keys should be 600 or 400 and thought that perhaps the same applies to .shh. |
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| 14:07.11 | jelly | totte: it does not |
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| 14:08.00 | totte | jelly: Would you elaborate on that please? |
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| 14:08.08 | jelly | nope |
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| 14:08.41 | Guest84784 | hello |
| 14:09.17 | jelly | totte: well. you want to keep private keys private for obvious reasons. You may also want to keep authorized_keys private so that other users can't see which keys can access your account. |
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| 14:10.19 | helo | how do i see create a sarge debootstrap? |
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| 14:10.41 | PerfDave | Cor, sarge, that's pretty old |
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| 14:11.02 | mosno | helo, Sarge is EOL, you probably won't get support for it |
| 14:11.24 | helo | i'm trying to cross-compile qt3-embedded for arm, and i think sarge is the last release that had a package for it |
| 14:11.43 | mosno | helo, might be easier to forward-port it |
| 14:11.59 | PerfDave | helo: I'd try asking the Debian QT or Debian ARM people and explain what you're trying to achieve |
| 14:12.08 | mosno | that's an even better idea |
| 14:12.08 | abrotman | helo: you'd have to change the sources to archive.debian.org |
| 14:12.19 | helo | yeah, i should head to irc.debian.org... |
| 14:12.22 | totte | jelly: Aight. |
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| 14:12.31 | tarzeau | http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/index.html |
| 14:12.44 | SkilZ | bash: linphone: command not found |
| 14:12.48 | SkilZ | I just installed it |
| 14:12.59 | tarzeau | SkilZ: dpkg -L linphone |grep bin |
| 14:13.15 | tarzeau | SkilZ: maybe they write it LinPhone or Linphone or even LiNpHonE |
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| 14:15.22 | SkilZ | tarzeau: Thanks, It's linphone-3 |
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| 14:16.20 | helo | and the winner is.... "debootstrap sarge . http://archive.debian.org/debian" |
| 14:17.19 | abrotman | didn't i say that? |
| 14:17.48 | helo | yes :) |
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| 14:18.08 | helo | happen to know when pdebuild-cross came into existence? |
| 14:18.26 | abrotman | qa.debian.org perhaps? |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | judd: versions pdebuild-cross |
| 14:18.32 | judd | Package pdebuild-cross on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.5.1; sid: 2.2.17; wheezy: 2.2.17 |
| 14:18.46 | helo | ahh, i tried that on 'dpkg' bot |
| 14:18.57 | helo | he must be napping |
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| 14:19.15 | abrotman | helo: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/e/emdebian-crush/emdebian-crush_2.2.5.1/changelog |
| 14:20.45 | SkilZ | Anyone know of a web page listing all logitech webcams that Debian currently supports? Im looking to buy a webcam |
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| 14:25.39 | SkilZ | How can I change the console resolution? |
| 14:26.15 | arjunshayk | Who can help me with inbox Mailer |
| 14:26.18 | tarzeau | SkilZ: fbset ? |
| 14:26.27 | SkilZ | tarzeau: Thats it! |
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| 14:28.43 | SkilZ | open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 14:28.47 | SkilZ | What else do I need? |
| 14:29.00 | tarzeau | SkilZ: maybe you don't hae a framebuffer console |
| 14:29.14 | SkilZ | tarzeau: I want a framebuffer console! :) |
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| 14:29.19 | tarzeau | SkilZ: why would you not just start x? |
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| 14:29.38 | tarzeau | linux framebuffer is very slow |
| 14:29.43 | SkilZ | tarzeau: for when my system is booting so it looks sexy |
| 14:29.52 | SkilZ | plus If I want to do work in console |
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| 14:30.21 | SkilZ | I want a nice sexy linux girl framebuffer console! |
| 14:30.24 | tarzeau | SkilZ: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO/ |
| 14:30.35 | tarzeau | SkilZ: i think you want to get a life |
| 14:30.46 | SkilZ | This is my life! |
| 14:30.47 | SkilZ | :( |
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| 14:31.21 | tarzeau | SkilZ: have a look at jp2a then fiddle with /etc/motd and/or /etc/issue* |
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| 14:31.57 | babilen | SkilZ: You might also want to take a look at plymouth and KMS |
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| 14:34.41 | anomaly | if I manually do a lynx -dump foo > foo it dumps to a file. if done through a script, it prints to stdout. is there a flag I am missing for manual vs script? |
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| 14:38.20 | anomaly | n/m |
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| 14:42.55 | markit | hi, when I see a suggestion like "see man sudoers(5)", what should I do? |
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| 14:43.41 | wols | markit: man 5 sudoers |
| 14:44.06 | markit | wols: damn, great thanks |
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| 14:46.23 | eponymous | hi |
| 14:47.02 | eponymous | anyone know how to prevent terminal launching a command on startup? I accidentally put in a recursive command and it keeps opening new instances of Terminal, whenever I launch it. |
| 14:47.30 | acidtech | anyone has a clue about this: http://pastebin.com/ma4ryDyR ? |
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| 14:47.58 | jhutchins_lt | eponymous: Where did you put the command? |
| 14:48.37 | eponymous | I put it within a profile |
| 14:49.06 | eponymous | I created a profile and tried to set up a default terminal size with --geometry 1680x44 |
| 14:49.24 | eponymous | but sadly, I screwed it up and now it's a recursive command. |
| 14:49.33 | nkuttler | eponymous: so edit the profile |
| 14:49.34 | rozie | acidtech: mixed Debian versions? |
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| 14:49.57 | acidtech | rozie nope |
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| 14:50.08 | eponymous | nkuttler, I can't, it keeps opening new instances of Terminal so cannot access the edit profile setting |
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| 14:50.23 | nkuttler | eponymous: um.. which terminal is that? |
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| 14:50.38 | rozie | acidtech: apt-cache policy roundcube |
| 14:50.44 | eponymous | nkuttler, the default terminal within Debian squeeze |
| 14:50.59 | eponymous | GNOME terminal |
| 14:51.03 | Kartagis | hi |
| 14:51.06 | nkuttler | eponymous: what happens when you open any other term? |
| 14:51.12 | nkuttler | like, xterm |
| 14:51.21 | eponymous | I only use the default, not tried the others |
| 14:51.26 | eponymous | (newbie, as you can tell) |
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| 14:51.41 | nkuttler | eponymous: what happens when you open any other term? |
| 14:51.54 | acidtech | rozie: http://pastebin.com/A3RPwv3j |
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| 14:52.23 | eponymous | nkuttler, I have a 'root' version of Terminal, which works fine |
| 14:52.26 | Odaym | sometimes Software Center doesn't respond when I press "Remove" |
| 14:52.42 | Odaym | is it better to remove what I want through Synaptic package manager? |
| 14:52.43 | eponymous | do I launch xterm in there? |
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| 14:52.51 | Kartagis | under System > Administration > Users and Groups, the "Don't ask password on login" checkbox is disabled. how can I enable it? |
| 14:52.53 | nkuttler | eponymous: no. launch xterm from the menu, wherever it is |
| 14:53.25 | nkuttler | eponymous: if this profile is a gnome thing it'll be hidden somewhere in ~/.config or ~/.gconf* or similar |
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| 14:53.38 | nkuttler | eponymous: just find the apps config dir and delete/rename/edit it |
| 14:53.58 | eponymous | nkuttler, I don't see xterm anywhere in my applications |
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| 14:54.12 | nkuttler | eponymous: then use the run command. that certainly exists? |
| 14:54.16 | babilen | acidtech: You have "stable" in your sources.list but you are using lenny -- I would immediately replace "stable" with "lenny" in there and upgrade to squeeze as soon as possible. The process is detailed in the release notes. (lenny is "oldstable" now, but use the actual names in your sources.list) |
| 14:54.37 | babilen | acidtech: Just hope that you are not halfway in the update from lenny to squeeze |
| 14:55.01 | eponymous | run command? |
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| 14:55.22 | babilen | acidtech: If you want to check that, make sure you have "lenny" in your sources list and run the command in "/msg dpkg not available" |
| 14:55.34 | SkilZ | Im getting 'linux-patch-debianlogo' will that install framebuffer for me so all I have to do is reboot? |
| 14:56.10 | babilen | SkilZ: I would suggest to use KMS instead of fbcon. Take a look at plymouth for boot animation. |
| 14:56.40 | rozie | acidtech: please paste also your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:57.15 | rozie | acidtech: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and installing roundcube once again may also resolve problem |
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| 14:58.14 | SkilZ | babilen: Why is that? |
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| 14:58.49 | acidtech | rozie: i did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, same think |
| 14:58.53 | acidtech | *thing |
| 14:59.30 | acidtech | http://pastebin.com/H4T4uKDw |
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| 15:01.41 | eugo | i am trying to make a vncserver init.d script |
| 15:01.43 | eugo | why is it when i run> update-rc.d vncserver defaults 99 < that it actually makes the symlink as priority 01 instead of 99 ? |
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| 15:08.30 | SkilZ | Its very hard to get a tux in my console, I installed plymouth now what? |
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| 15:10.02 | eponymous | anyone else got any ideas? |
| 15:10.19 | SkilZ | Where are my iceweasel bookmarks stored? I want to import them to my other computer |
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| 15:10.58 | eponymous | I deleted .profile and .bashrc from my /home/username/ directory |
| 15:11.04 | eponymous | but the problem doesn't go away |
| 15:11.14 | abrotman | SkilZ: .mozilla perhaps? |
| 15:11.26 | eponymous | I don't know where Terminal is storing the command I entered into the profile |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | eponymous: .bash_profile? is this in debian? |
| 15:12.00 | eponymous | abrotman, yes in debian |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | eponymous: Terminal being gnome-terminal ? |
| 15:12.24 | eponymous | I'm using the default Terminal, I created a profile and within that profile I stored a command which is messing up |
| 15:12.34 | abrotman | there's no such binary named "Terminal' |
| 15:12.35 | eponymous | abrotman, yes, gnome-terminal |
| 15:12.53 | abrotman | probably try gconf-editor, then apps->gnome-terminal ? |
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| 15:21.05 | DammitJim | man, what's the name of that other software package like openoffice? |
| 15:21.28 | petern_ | libreoffice? |
| 15:21.40 | Obama | Microsof Office |
| 15:22.03 | DammitJim | libreoffice |
| 15:22.04 | DammitJim | thank you |
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| 15:23.43 | jhutchins_lt | Or koffice |
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| 15:28.52 | Odaym | in Synaptic package manager, I am selecting that I want the complete removal of gnome-games |
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| 15:29.07 | Odaym | the dialog box that appears says that "gnome" will be removed |
| 15:29.14 | Odaym | and gnome-games will be completely removed |
| 15:29.20 | Odaym | what the fuck does that mean? |
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| 15:29.28 | Odaym | it'll remove THE gnome? |
| 15:30.04 | eponymous | thanks abrotman! |
| 15:30.08 | eponymous | I managed to sort it out |
| 15:30.09 | eponymous | :) |
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| 15:31.08 | abrotman | Odaym: that's a metapackage |
| 15:31.15 | abrotman | !tell Odaym about unmarkauto |
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| 15:33.03 | Odaym | smells like something that will cause something bad to happen |
| 15:33.10 | Odaym | I'd better read up a little more before I proceed |
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| 15:34.01 | alex-- | IMAP Error in /var/www/webmail/program/include/rcube_imap.php (192): Login failed for mail@lol.com from 192.168.56.1. LOGIN: Login failed. |
| 15:34.43 | alex-- | How to fix this? |
| 15:35.46 | neil_m | enter the correct login |
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| 15:36.01 | alex-- | neil_m: I did |
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| 15:38.11 | lelu | where does aptitude stick websvn once its installed? |
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| 15:40.54 | archman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572113 |
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| 15:40.59 | archman | is this bug still relevant? |
| 15:41.15 | archman | since there's a newer version in sid now |
| 15:41.23 | speedrunnerG55 | Is today linuxs birthday? |
| 15:41.56 | abrotman | archman: it tells you which version it was fixed in |
| 15:42.39 | abrotman | lelu: dpkg -L websvn |
| 15:43.22 | archman | abrotman: thanks! 3.0.1 |
| 15:43.37 | archman | +rm, i mean |
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| 15:44.25 | archman | abrotman: but now is 3.2.rc2+2.6.32-1 and those bugs are still listed for it. does this mean that those fixes are still to be tested? |
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| 15:45.23 | abrotman | archman: the bug is marked fixed .. i don't see what more you want? |
| 15:45.29 | makara | what is the alternative to debian that Fedora uses and what is the dfiference? |
| 15:45.39 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-patch-tuxonice |
| 15:45.39 | judd | Package linux-patch-tuxonice on i386 -- lenny: 3.0~rc7+2.6.25-1; sid: 3.2.rc2+2.6.32-1 |
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| 15:45.47 | abrotman | makara: you probalby should ask #fedora |
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| 15:46.03 | abrotman | archman: perhaps the bug still exists in lenny? dunno |
| 15:46.26 | magnusol | hey. i upgraded to squeeze from lenny using dist-upgrade. things went well, except that mysql-server was uninstalled in the process. anyone know why? is it ok to just reinstall it? |
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| 15:46.43 | abrotman | magnusol: should be fine |
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| 15:46.50 | zykotick9 | speedrunnerG55, not really a debian question, but yes. |
| 15:47.00 | magnusol | my /var/lib/mysql is still there, so i guess it will pick up where it stopped? |
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| 15:48.52 | archman | abrotman: aah, thanks for the explanation. there's a smiley icon there showing the fixed version |
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| 15:49.44 | makara | oh, I didn't know debian was an OS in itself |
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| 15:50.13 | makara | thought it was just a package standard |
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| 15:52.32 | abrotman | makara: debian.org .. |
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| 15:54.07 | kbar | hi, is there a way for me to tunnel all of my internet traffic through a server via ssh? |
| 15:54.32 | cantido | kbar: openssh has a socks proxy or something I though |
| 15:54.38 | cantido | s/though/thought/ |
| 15:54.55 | cantido | or at least you could run one on the other host.. |
| 15:55.00 | kbar | hmmm |
| 15:55.27 | cantido | kbar: I would try openvpn instead if you want complete routing |
| 15:55.28 | kbar | but the guides i've read only talk about firefox |
| 15:55.30 | kbar | oh |
| 15:55.31 | kbar | right |
| 15:55.33 | kbar | ill look into that |
| 15:56.09 | cantido | openssh is great at tunneling simple TCP apps |
| 15:56.09 | kbar | hmm that won't work cantido I don't have root/sudo on the server. |
| 15:56.23 | cantido | oh |
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| 15:57.13 | cantido | socks proxy + the wrapper thing that forces all tcp/ip traffic over it |
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| 15:57.19 | cantido | but its not perfect |
| 15:57.29 | kbar | ok, better than nothing. whats the wrapper thing |
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| 15:58.07 | cantido | I remember from many years ago that there is some wrapper in the socks proxy in debian that allows you to proxy apps that dont support socks proxies internally |
| 15:58.18 | cantido | I could be talking shit or misremembering though |
| 15:58.27 | kbar | ahha |
| 15:58.31 | box | What is a reliable nat pt application? |
| 15:58.37 | neil_m | kbar something like ssh -fND localhost:port server then change your configuration in web browser |
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| 15:58.56 | cantido | neil_m: he said he wants to tunnel everything though.. |
| 15:59.00 | neil_m | ah |
| 15:59.14 | kbar | yeah I want to tunnel EVERYTHING |
| 15:59.25 | kbar | or rather, mostly everything |
| 15:59.39 | cantido | openssh's port forwarding works for single port tcp apps, I thought there was some socks support in there.. but I think that is me misremembering |
| 15:59.53 | kbar | wait |
| 15:59.56 | kbar | i just need tcp support |
| 15:59.58 | kbar | wai |
| 16:00.01 | kbar | wait hold on |
| 16:00.08 | neil_m | i usually only tunnel my mail and web traffic |
| 16:00.42 | cantido | kbar: apparently openssh does have a socks proxy .. -D |
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| 16:01.50 | cantido | kbar: openssh's port forwarding doesnt work with FTP for example |
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| 16:02.06 | cantido | not because its broken, but becuase of the way ftp works |
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| 16:02.27 | kbar | wait cantido i think I found what I'm looking for. http://socksipy.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:03.25 | cantido | kbar: thats for your own python apps.. |
| 16:03.39 | kbar | yeah. |
| 16:03.41 | archman | abrotman: when trying to apply the tuxonice patch, it says i'm not in the kernel top dir. Does this mean that i have to manually extract the whole kernel tree there? (usr/src/kernel-patches) how does it work? it's badly documented and i want to learn about the whole process.. |
| 16:03.47 | blomqvist | Hi everyone |
| 16:03.52 | kbar | my biggest bandwidth use is a python app right now |
| 16:03.53 | kbar | so |
| 16:04.03 | cantido | kbar: the -D option, I think neil_m mentioned it, would work with that though |
| 16:04.04 | abrotman | archman: there's no docs at all ? |
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| 16:04.22 | kbar | right, cantido |
| 16:04.28 | kbar | i still need to -D |
| 16:04.41 | cantido | kbar: and there is a wrapper thing that forces any sockets an app creates to go over the proxy |
| 16:04.41 | blomqvist | Is there any howto for setting up OCFS2 with Pacemaker on Debian Squeeze? |
| 16:05.47 | archman | abrotman: no :/ nothing in deb. only tuxonice features and some slim doc not talking about the process of applying.. maybe i should contact the packager? |
| 16:06.02 | kbar | hmmm cantido that's even better. can I get a link? |
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| 16:06.44 | abrotman | archman: moment |
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| 16:07.05 | abrotman | archman: and you looked in /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-tuxonice/ |
| 16:07.07 | abrotman | ? |
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| 16:08.36 | archman | abrotman: yes, saw some news.debian file, looks promising, but still very "slim" |
| 16:08.39 | archman | looking into it |
| 16:08.55 | abrotman | there should be a README or three? |
| 16:09.08 | archman | seems like i need "kernel-package" |
| 16:09.27 | cantido | kbar: I got disconnected , not sure if you got this -- http://www.inet.no/dante/doc/1.3.x/socksify.1.html -- dante is a socks proxy that is in debian IIRC |
| 16:09.38 | kbar | I'll look into it cantido |
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| 16:13.09 | abrotman | archman: that'd be helpful |
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| 16:14.46 | archman | abrotman: it's ???, i'll contact the maintainer, maybe he'll explain it a little better |
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| 16:15.43 | abrotman | or you could try reading ... |
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| 16:15.54 | archman | abrotman: that too, first :D |
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| 16:18.36 | cheche | recovery jpeg in debian? |
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| 16:20.05 | abrotman | cheche: did you try 'apt-cache search jpg recovery' or anything like that? |
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| 16:20.37 | cheche | search using aptitude |
| 16:20.51 | abrotman | try apt-cache or aptitude search '~dterm' |
| 16:22.27 | cheche | *aptitude search '~djpeg' | more* right now... |
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| 16:23.23 | cheche | I knew photorec but i have a jpeg with wrong headers |
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| 16:24.04 | cheche | not JPEG file: starts with 0x51 0xde |
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| 16:30.52 | troutwine | I have 'Architecture: any' in my debian/control file, but when I 'debuild' only an i386 arch package is made. What am I mising? |
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| 16:31.28 | troutwine | Answer: to look at the _all.deb package. |
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| 16:31.48 | troutwine | Sorry for the noise, folks. Just me being foolish. |
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| 16:32.39 | SkilZ | IS there some way to do 'sshfs skilz@192.168.0.1:/home/skilz /mnt/remote/' automaticly when my system boots? |
| 16:32.44 | SkilZ | So it's auto mounted |
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| 16:33.54 | archman | abrotman: this is it: http://linuxconnect.blogspot.com/2009/04/tuxonice-for-debian.html |
| 16:34.39 | abrotman | okay? |
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| 16:35.19 | iluminator101 | what is this decnet, why do i need it, and how can i get rid of it? |
| 16:35.23 | archman | abrotman: nvm, just wanted to "report" |
| 16:35.31 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 16:36.19 | cheche | SkilZ: maybe this wuold help you http://www.tjansson.dk/?p=84 |
| 16:39.06 | helo | iluminator101: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECnet |
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| 16:39.23 | iluminator101 | not decnet dnet actually??? |
| 16:39.36 | abrotman | run away! |
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| 16:40.17 | iluminator101 | abrotman, i see how much love you are showing me, thank you i love you too |
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| 16:46.47 | troutwine | I've got a source in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ but when I 'aptitude update' the packages from the source aren't updated; this is a Squeeze box. Is there some trick to sources.list.d of which I am not aware? |
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| 16:47.19 | JmZ | hey im trying to setup debian on a server with hardware RAID0, two disks. in the system's raid utility, it is clearly shown that they are setup but when i get to the debian installer, it sees two disks |
| 16:47.35 | abrotman | what is the raid controller? |
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| 16:50.14 | TFGBD | I'm unable to finish my debootstrap install. |
| 16:50.27 | JmZ | abrotman: really not sure, some sil* controller, but its just a work server ive been given to setup over kvm |
| 16:50.35 | TFGBD | I keep getting: |
| 16:50.35 | TFGBD | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of bash: |
| 16:50.35 | dpkg | tfgbd: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 16:50.35 | TFGBD | bash depends on base-files (>= 2.1.12); however: |
| 16:50.35 | TFGBD | Package base-files is not configured yet. |
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| 16:51.01 | troutwine | Ah, such files need to end in .list. Today is just my day for being stupid. Sorry, again, folks. |
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| 16:51.40 | abrotman | JmZ: does not sound like a real raid controller |
| 16:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: update updates the catalog. Upgrade updates the packages. |
| 16:51.54 | abrotman | TFGBD: use paste.debian.net |
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| 16:51.57 | TFGBD | I am |
| 16:52.00 | TFGBD | hold on |
| 16:52.29 | JmZ | abrotman: it has its own utility after bios and before the OS, and they claim it is hardware RAID, so.. |
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| 16:52.59 | JmZ | it does allow me to create a RAID setup but it still appears as 2 disks to debian |
| 16:53.00 | troutwine | jhutchins_lt: I should, rather, have stated that the catolog was not updated as I thought it would be, yes. Thanks. |
| 16:53.04 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 16:53.04 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 16:53.13 | JmZ | yeah i know what fakeraid is |
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| 16:53.25 | abrotman | unless you can get me the actual model, and prove it's not fakeraid .. it's fakeraid |
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| 16:53.47 | TFGBD | Here it is http://paste.debian.net/127368/ |
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| 16:54.23 | abrotman | TFGBD: the error is pretty obvious |
| 16:54.39 | TFGBD | I know |
| 16:54.45 | TFGBD | but I still can't install either package |
| 16:54.48 | JmZ | abrotman: is there a way i can find out the model within the system |
| 16:55.02 | JmZ | keeping in mind the BIOS doesn't say |
| 16:55.18 | TFGBD | I renamed them hoping I could complete the install without them but that clearly isn't going to work. |
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| 16:57.23 | abrotman | JmZ: lspci perhaps |
| 16:57.37 | abrotman | renamed what? |
| 16:57.44 | abrotman | TFGBD: did you actually read all of the error? |
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| 16:58.57 | TFGBD | I think so? I assume nothing is working because bash and base-files never finished installing |
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| 17:00.05 | TFGBD | Hold on, i'll see what error I get when I try forcing those two packages to install |
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| 17:00.44 | abrotman | TFGBD: look a few lines above htat |
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| 17:01.59 | TFGBD | mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/mail': File exists |
| 17:02.04 | TFGBD | that? |
| 17:02.48 | [XeN] | hi, somebody on who is familar with mdadm? my raid is set inactive after every reboot. |
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| 17:04.17 | jelly-home | [XeN]: people in #linux-raid are. Which Debian release are you using? |
| 17:04.24 | [XeN] | squeeze |
| 17:04.59 | abrotman | TFGBD: seems important? |
| 17:05.17 | TFGBD | Not really. |
| 17:05.24 | TFGBD | Does that really matter? |
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| 17:05.45 | [XeN] | I have a device /dev/md127. after i execute mdadm -IR /dev/md127 i get a device /dev/md126 that i can use. |
| 17:05.52 | thewanderer1 | oh by the way, why wouldn't a package create /var/mail with `mkdir -p`? does it sound like a bug to anyone else? |
| 17:05.55 | iluminator101 | abrotman, Is Muhlenberg College treating you that badly |
| 17:06.04 | eugo | can i have multiple deb entries in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:06.13 | thewanderer1 | eugo: yes |
| 17:06.23 | TFGBD | Well, I renamed /var/mail. Let's see what happpens. |
| 17:06.50 | abrotman | iluminator101: never been there, no clue what you're talking about |
| 17:07.02 | abrotman | iluminator101: i suggest you stop trying to google me |
| 17:07.10 | abrotman | TFGBD: that's the fatal error |
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| 17:07.38 | TFGBD | What does that even have to do with bash ? |
| 17:08.02 | iluminator101 | abrotman if i have any problems i will email @ atbrotman@yahoo.com okay |
| 17:08.07 | TFGBD | It doesn't seem like something that would make the whole install fail |
| 17:08.14 | TFGBD | Is it just some weird bug? |
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| 17:08.34 | abrotman | well .. at least i didn't do it |
| 17:08.42 | JmZ | lol |
| 17:09.04 | TFGBD | So, what do you think I should do? Should I try installing those packages again now that I've removed it? |
| 17:09.36 | abrotman | TFGBD: give it a whirl |
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| 17:11.40 | tharkun | themill: ping |
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| 17:12.30 | themill | hides behind jelly |
| 17:12.40 | tharkun | Is it ok if i pm you? |
| 17:13.09 | abrotman | pm who?! |
| 17:13.14 | tharkun | themill: |
| 17:13.24 | tharkun | abrotman: you are too ugly for that :) |
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| 17:14.17 | jelly-home | pix or it |
| 17:14.23 | jelly-home | wait no |
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| 17:14.28 | abrotman | Dave2? |
| 17:14.29 | MSTRCNVS | there's a chkdsk like command-line tool to check integrity of a disk? |
| 17:14.45 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: the physical disk? or the filesystem? |
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| 17:15.13 | [XeN] | MSTRCNVS, fschk can check your filesystem |
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| 17:15.54 | abrotman | fsck you mean? |
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| 17:16.08 | [XeN] | oh. sure |
| 17:16.19 | MSTRCNVS | fsck-backend is the package name? |
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| 17:16.54 | MSTRCNVS | you now when you get that message on the boot process: 'the disks has been mounted X times without checking, force checking' |
| 17:17.15 | MSTRCNVS | which check tool this message "uses"? |
| 17:17.33 | [XeN] | this comes from fsck |
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| 17:17.44 | TFGBD | Woo, that fixed it |
| 17:17.45 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: It depends on what filesystem you have. |
| 17:17.54 | MSTRCNVS | ext3 |
| 17:17.55 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: it's already there in the base system |
| 17:18.00 | MSTRCNVS | but I wan't to check an ntfs |
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| 17:18.10 | jhutchins_lt | fsck.ntfs then. |
| 17:18.15 | TFGBD | Thanks for your suggestion, abrotman. |
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| 17:18.39 | abrotman | TFGBD: and next time, ask the right channel :) |
| 17:18.50 | TFGBD | Eh? |
| 17:18.56 | abrotman | TFGBD: this channel is'nt intended to support the ddwrt distros |
| 17:19.05 | MSTRCNVS | jhutchins_lt: but what is the command? do I need to install fsck-backend package? |
| 17:19.06 | TFGBD | This isn't a dd-wrt distro. |
| 17:19.06 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: there is no real fs checker for NTFS, use Windows tools |
| 17:19.15 | TFGBD | It's a hand installed chroot |
| 17:19.23 | abrotman | TFGBD: okay ... |
| 17:19.41 | abrotman | root@DD-WRT: ? |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | anyway .. |
| 17:20.16 | TFGBD | Wait, I misunderstood. It is a dd-wrt distro but is isn't a debian distro specific to a WRT or anything like that |
| 17:20.41 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: that means booting windows somehow, either putting the disk in some other machine, or using a PE livecd |
| 17:20.43 | TFGBD | It's just a generic debian chrooted from dd-wrt |
| 17:20.44 | eugo | to install Java, I need the restricted component in my sources.list right? |
| 17:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: Actually, I'm not sure it's available in Debian. |
| 17:21.00 | thewanderer1 | eugo: not "restricted". it's called "non-free". |
| 17:21.00 | TFGBD | But I guess you count those too |
| 17:21.00 | abrotman | eugo: there is an openjdk |
| 17:21.09 | TFGBD | Well, either way, it is working now. |
| 17:21.31 | eugo | abrotman would you recommend that instead of sun java? |
| 17:21.51 | eugo | thewanderer1: ok thx, but is there a component called restricted ? |
| 17:22.01 | abrotman | eugo: i'd say to try it .. see if it works for you |
| 17:22.17 | abrotman | eugo: there is no "restricted' in Debian .. that's Ubuntu .. and that support is in #ubuntu |
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| 17:22.59 | eugo | abrotman: haha ok thanks, i was just curious because if you look at this page: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/javadeb.htm <-- it says to use the repositry "restricted" :) |
| 17:23.23 | eugo | it was a little confusing since i already have non-free |
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| 17:23.43 | thewanderer1 | eugo: that document has not been updated since "sarge" release, that is, I think, 6 years ago or more... |
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| 17:24.03 | themill | eugo: that's a pretty crap website quite often full of very out of date information and often recommends using out-of-debian repositories (like that one) of quite poor quality. |
| 17:24.19 | eugo | I see. Is there a Debian help site you would recommend instead ? |
| 17:24.22 | abrotman | eugo: oh god .. those insturctions are so old .. forget you ever saw that page |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | eugo: irc://irc.freenode.net/#debian :) |
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| 17:24.47 | eugo | yes i'll keep that in mind ;) |
| 17:25.04 | thewanderer1 | eugo: debian-administration.org is often a good read, but it's a blog site so always check the dates |
| 17:25.14 | abrotman | and forum.debina.net or whatever it is now |
| 17:25.27 | thewanderer1 | forum.debian.net, yes, still working :P |
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| 17:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | !java |
| 17:29.12 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:31.11 | eugo | wow helpful bot |
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| 17:31.35 | eugo | !install java |
| 17:31.35 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 17:32.03 | abrotman | eugo: please msg the bot |
| 17:32.09 | eugo | Np |
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| 17:35.57 | MSTRCNVS | there's no chkdsk alternative, but I could get some results with ntfs-3g.probe and ntfsfix command-line tools |
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| 17:37.47 | sirster | hey |
| 17:38.08 | sirster | im trying to add a virtual ethernet device |
| 17:38.23 | sirster | ip link add link eth0 name eth0.5 type vlan id 5 |
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| 17:38.44 | sirster | for some reason _rename is appended to the interface name |
| 17:38.59 | sirster | so i becomes eth0.5_rename |
| 17:39.04 | sirster | any thoughts? |
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| 17:40.51 | twobitsprite | just updated squeeze, now when I try to ssh to some hosts I get "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0". Googling around I see some people fixed it by mount /dev/pts, but it is mounted on my system... |
| 17:40.56 | twobitsprite | er. wheezy |
| 17:41.10 | twobitsprite | (those names are too similar to be consecutive releases...) |
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| 17:42.32 | mplabs | Hello |
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| 17:42.48 | mplabs | Does anyone know any easy way to play .jnlp files? |
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| 17:43.20 | mplabs | I have tried installing the iceweasel java plugin but it's painful u.u |
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| 17:44.56 | n-iCe | Ok, here is my question, hello all, firstable my laptop is a sony vaio vgn-cs170f but I cannot configurate or make the volume controls to work, any idea how may I? |
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| 17:45.49 | abrotman | firstable? |
| 17:45.55 | abrotman | first of all? |
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| 17:47.49 | mplabs | how can I install java support in Iceweasel (AMD64)? |
| 17:48.27 | qxt | I am trying to do a netinst of testing. I used for some reason it is installing stable. Is this normal? |
| 17:48.46 | wols | qxt: no. which ISO did you get? url? |
| 17:48.47 | mplabs | I can't believe it's that hard u.u |
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| 17:49.03 | wols | qxt: but it's advised to install stable and upgrade to testing |
| 17:49.13 | wols | !install java |
| 17:49.13 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 17:49.26 | qxt | wols http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:49.42 | qxt | wols is that the right one? |
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| 17:50.32 | wols | yes, the testing there is the right one normally. |
| 17:51.06 | qxt | wols updating stable to testing is not working at the moment because libc6 is not playing nice with perl. Ends up in a loop. Thats why I am doing it like this. |
| 17:51.27 | mplabs | wols, I don't have any of them on my repositories |
| 17:51.45 | wols | mplabs: then your sources.list is set up wrongly |
| 17:51.56 | mplabs | it has just the needed things for testing |
| 17:52.05 | wols | !tell mplabs about sources.list |
| 17:52.26 | wols | if you have no icedtea plugin, your sources.list is set up wrongly |
| 17:52.39 | wols | ,versions icedtea6-plugin |
| 17:52.41 | judd | Package icedtea6-plugin on i386 -- squeeze: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; sid: 6b21.1-1 |
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| 17:53.09 | wols | hmm... seems none in testing right now. then you need to add non-free and use the non-free java plugin I guess |
| 17:53.10 | mplabs | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main \n deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main \n deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main non-free \n deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 17:53.18 | mplabs | this is the content of my source.list |
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| 17:53.38 | wols | mplabs: first line add non-free contrib |
| 17:54.10 | mplabs | should I do any other change? |
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| 17:54.36 | wols | no need |
| 17:54.42 | mplabs | ok, updating |
| 17:55.04 | n-iCe | Ok, here is my question, hello all, firstable my laptop is a sony vaio vgn-cs170f but I cannot configurate or make the volume controls to work, any idea how may I? |
| 17:55.10 | mplabs | installing, thank you wols! |
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| 17:55.55 | mplabs | I hope it'll fix the problem. I have been trying to play .jnlp files for hours |
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| 17:57.49 | tharkun | Gentlemen i've been fooling around to install libreoffice from backports but on my genial plan to install it half of the system wants to be uninstalled :) how do i tell aptitude to forget what i told it and do nothing? |
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| 17:58.32 | n-iCe | Ok, here is my question, hello all, first of all my laptop is a sony vaio vgn-cs170f but I cannot configurate or make the volume controls to work, any idea how may I? |
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| 17:58.53 | Gaia | hi |
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| 17:59.53 | mplabs | tharkun, I think the main problem is the use of aptitude, try the same using apt-get |
| 17:59.58 | mplabs | I always have the same problems |
| 18:00.13 | Gaia | I've got this error when installing. "Errors were encountered while propcessing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6.11.2-10_i386.deb" |
| 18:00.20 | themill | tharkun: just exit and it won't do anything |
| 18:00.26 | Gaia | How might I solve it? |
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| 18:01.02 | tharkun | themill: thanks ;P you saved me a clean install :) |
| 18:01.28 | tvm | what's preffered burning software for debian ? |
| 18:01.39 | Gaia | there is no preference |
| 18:01.42 | tvm | i didn't burn anything in aeons |
| 18:01.47 | Gaia | that's what's so good about Debian |
| 18:01.55 | Gaia | but Brasero works fine |
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| 18:02.10 | tvm | hmm |
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| 18:02.41 | tvm | ick, gnomish dependencies |
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| 18:03.31 | jelly-home | Gaia: pastebin the complete output of that command |
| 18:03.33 | tharkun | from aptitude: internal erro: found 2 (choice ->promotion) mappings for a single choice |
| 18:03.51 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Gaia about bat |
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| 18:04.16 | thewanderer1 | tvm: wodim is the most basic (also hard to use, but hey, no deps!) |
| 18:04.29 | th0r | tvm: there are numerous choices, both command line and gui. xfburn for xfce has no major dependencies that I know of |
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| 18:04.32 | tharkun | nice apt-get install libreoffice and apt-get refuses to do it :( |
| 18:04.47 | themill | "aptitude install -t squeeze-backports libreoffice ~nopenoffice_" usually works ok |
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| 18:05.34 | jelly-home | zsh: no such user nopenoffice_ |
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| 18:05.45 | themill | jelly-home: fix your shell... |
| 18:05.51 | Gaia | jelly-home: I don't have problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect. The problem is with d-i. |
| 18:05.58 | tvm | thewanderer1, th0r: thanks, wodim looks just 'right' |
| 18:06.00 | jelly-home | themill: it's consistent, there's nothing to fix! |
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| 18:06.51 | jelly-home | Gaia: can you see any more details apart from that message? Which installer image are you using? |
| 18:07.02 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 18:07.19 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: wodim is easy, unless you need really specific burn options |
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| 18:07.36 | eugo | Is there someone who is good with update-rc.d ? |
| 18:08.20 | twobitsprite | !tell eugo about anyone |
| 18:08.41 | eugo | I am creating a init.d script and when i run: update-rc.d vncserver defaults 99 <- specifying 99 as the sequence number, then it creates the symlink as S01vncserver insetead |
| 18:08.43 | Gaia | jelly-home: I'm using the squeeze CD1 |
| 18:08.58 | Gaia | for i386 |
| 18:09.04 | Biscolo | Hello folks |
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| 18:09.36 | eugo | I cant figure out why |
| 18:09.37 | tharkun | themill: some weird dependency that had to be manually fixed 3rd of 4th level. had to uninstall openoffice and then install libreoffice it refused to do it simultaniously |
| 18:10.06 | themill | tharkun: adding "python-uno" to that list of installs may help |
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| 18:10.20 | Gaia | I check the checksums and they checked out before burning and there were no errors after burning the CD |
| 18:10.38 | Biscolo | I don't have the cpu monitor in my bar |
| 18:10.44 | Biscolo | and i can't add one |
| 18:11.14 | delarge | somebody know some program that show a list of the wireless networks available with strength and channel respectively? |
| 18:11.40 | themill | tharkun: or if you like scaring people and/or want to pick up the same optional LO packages as the OOo ones you currently have... aptitude search ~nopenoffice~i -F%100p | sed 's/openoffice.org/libreoffice/' | xargs aptitude install -t squeeze-backports ~nopenoffice.org_ python-uno |
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| 18:12.43 | themill | wonders if that substitution could be done within aptitude's search language.... |
| 18:13.07 | tharkun | themill: I'll just stick with the defaults, the user which will be working with this box is beeing upgraded from lenny and his hw is also beeing updated |
| 18:13.22 | tharkun | He will be a happy customer as long as the hw works :-) |
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| 18:14.55 | acidchild | hello, i attempted to install a debian .deb file and now apt is saying i need to reinstall the package because it can't find the archive for it... but the package will not instal |
| 18:15.01 | silverstar07 | Shalom abortman |
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| 18:15.14 | acidchild | i've decided to install it from source, but i need some deps from apt and its still getting annoyed by it, how do i fix this? |
| 18:15.42 | n-iCe | Ok, here is my question, hello all, first of all my laptop is a sony vaio vgn-cs170f but I cannot configurate or make the volume controls to work, any idea how may I? Debian linux |
| 18:16.01 | somiaj | acidchild: have you tried 'apt-get -f install' after trying to install the .deb with dpkg and were missing some debs? |
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| 18:16.27 | SkilZ | I installed 'eggdrop' but there seems to be now config file, how do I find it/generate it? |
| 18:16.35 | delarge | somebody know some program that show a list of the wireless networks available with strength and channel respectively? |
| 18:16.47 | th0r | delarge: wicd |
| 18:16.55 | thewanderer1 | delarge: `iwlist scan` |
| 18:17.07 | acidchild | somiaj: i touched the files it couldn't find and ran --force-remove reinstreq. |
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| 18:17.18 | SkilZ | delarge: aircrack-ng |
| 18:17.27 | somiaj | SkilZ: /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> sometimes contains useful info on initial set up and also example config files |
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| 18:17.52 | delarge | thewanderer1: i used the iwlist scan but sometimes tell me "no result" when exists networks |
| 18:17.56 | delarge | doesnt work well |
| 18:17.59 | somiaj | to bad wicd development has stoped, networkmanager is the more common suggestion |
| 18:19.00 | thewanderer1 | delarge: iwlist scan doesn't do caching while things like wicd and network-manager store the results in memory even when the networks have disappeared (for example you have moved) for some time |
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| 18:22.27 | initself | aptitude search net-snmp does not yield me the net-snmp package I am looking for. |
| 18:22.35 | initself | what reason might there be for it not to be there for me? |
| 18:23.00 | delarge | and when scann, doesnt show all the networks availables |
| 18:23.04 | initself | deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 18:23.14 | initself | seems like a pretty standard stable mirror |
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| 18:24.31 | thewanderer1 | delarge: you might be seeing the result of signal strength fluctuations or maybe you're hitting a bug :P |
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| 18:26.49 | delarge | thewanderer1: maybe, thanks |
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| 18:27.33 | delarge | which program you recommends? |
| 18:28.07 | thewanderer1 | I use network-manager, works for me and is installed by default in Debian when I choose the laptop task in the installer |
| 18:28.55 | karsten | somiaj: Has it (wicd)? |
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| 18:29.06 | karsten | delarge: I generally use wicd-cli myself. |
| 18:29.34 | somiaj | karsten: check /topic #wicd |
| 18:29.58 | karsten | somiaj: Wah! |
| 18:30.05 | karsten | somiaj: Thanks though. |
| 18:30.08 | karsten | shoots somiaj |
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| 18:30.25 | somiaj | don't shoot the messenger |
| 18:30.27 | karsten | (Just upholding the age-old tradition of shooting the messenger of bad news). |
| 18:30.29 | karsten | :) |
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| 18:31.10 | karsten | Interesting milestones. Linux20, Jobs and Malda retire. |
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| 18:32.27 | ltsampros | hello. I'm on debian stable, and I would like to upgrade my transmission (2.02 If I'm not mistaken) to a much more recent version. |
| 18:32.34 | ltsampros | Is there any painless way to achieve that ? |
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| 18:33.06 | ltsampros | I know that the latest version package version is on experimental but I'll have to bring in other dependencies as well. |
| 18:33.26 | abrotman | judd: versions transmission |
| 18:33.28 | judd | Package transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-2; sid: 2.03-2.2; wheezy: 2.03-2.2; experimental: 2.32-1; experimental: 2.33-1 |
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| 18:33.45 | abrotman | ltsampros: not much newer other than experimental |
| 18:34.19 | abrotman | !tell ltsampros about uupdate |
| 18:34.23 | abrotman | ltsampros: that may be your best option |
| 18:34.31 | ltsampros | abrotman: I definitely need that build cause I'm not gonna verify ~ 0.5TB of data because the timestamps changes. |
| 18:35.03 | chop | hey, is this the right place to ask about debian bugs when updating a package? |
| 18:35.03 | ltsampros | abrotman: thanks, but It probably won't work cause of newer build dependencies. |
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| 18:35.24 | helo | chop: if it's debian related, this is the right place |
| 18:35.26 | somiaj | ltsampros: either look for a backport, or make your own backport, /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 18:35.51 | somiaj | chop: bugs.debian.org/<pkg name> is the best place to start -- make sure it hasn't been reported // solution found |
| 18:36.05 | chop | ok, it's about upgrading mysql-server when upgrading vom debian lenny to squeeze |
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| 18:36.42 | ltsampros | somiaj: thank you too. I think I'll just roll my own package. |
| 18:37.06 | somiaj | ltsampros: just make sure you understand you take responsability of security updates...:D |
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| 18:37.18 | ltsampros | somiaj: yeah right. |
| 18:37.30 | chop | i ran an upgrade from lenny to squeeze today. after that, I had to reinstall mysql-server |
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| 18:37.46 | chop | is that known? I found some blogposts about it but nothing "official" |
| 18:37.53 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport transmission |
| 18:38.02 | karsten | ltsampros: The least painful way is likely backports. The most recent may be exprimental. |
| 18:38.05 | abrotman | wonders if that's the right command, or if it's even live |
| 18:38.07 | cat_five | any screen gurus around? i'm having a minor annoyance with nested sessions |
| 18:38.11 | ltsampros | somiaj: It will be a temporary measure, I want to believe just for the next couple of years. |
| 18:38.28 | karsten | cat_five: Nested screen sessions *are* an annoyance, but proceed. |
| 18:38.46 | ltsampros | karsten: unfortunately a quick search on backports did not reveal anything related to transmission |
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| 18:38.55 | karsten | cat_five: My first suggestion would be to avoid doing that. |
| 18:38.55 | cat_five | heh, well the thing is, i'm trying to remap ^ad to nothing |
| 18:38.59 | karsten | ltsampros: There you go. |
| 18:39.06 | cat_five | karsten: i want to save my splits though |
| 18:39.10 | cat_five | and it's mostly working |
| 18:39.27 | karsten | cat_five: So: you don't want to be able to detach? |
| 18:39.41 | karsten | is confused' |
| 18:39.44 | cat_five | karsten: the outer session is listening for the detach hotkey |
| 18:39.53 | cat_five | i want to disable it in the inner session |
| 18:40.02 | karsten | cat_five: You've got to double-escape the C-a. |
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| 18:40.31 | karsten | cat_five: For the inner session, anything is "C-a-a <key>" rather than "C-a <key>" |
| 18:40.38 | cat_five | ahhhhhh |
| 18:40.44 | karsten | cat_five: Alternately, you can remap C-a in one or the other session. |
| 18:41.00 | cat_five | oh but wait, the escape sequence in the outer session is disabled |
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| 18:41.11 | karsten | cat_five: My experience strongly suggests that if you're using nested screen sessions, You're Doing It Wrong. |
| 18:41.48 | cat_five | but you hit on something there, because my current problem is that C-a-d is not detaching (yay), but C-a (pause) d still is |
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| 18:47.25 | sweetandy | I want to download what is effectively a wheezy netinstall image; should I just jigdo CD1 of the generated testing images? |
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| 18:48.05 | babilen | sweetandy: You actually want to install squeeze and dist-upgrade from there (if at all) |
| 18:48.28 | sweetandy | babilen, ah, okay! thanks |
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| 18:49.26 | jhutchins_lt | sweetandy: Otherwise you're testing the wheezy installer, which isn't realistic at this stage of developent. |
| 18:49.41 | sweetandy | that makes sense. |
| 18:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | sweetandy: If what you want to test is the installed system go with the "upgrade". |
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| 18:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | I like making testing a chroot, that way I can update it while it's broken and still have a working stable system. |
| 18:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | Er, a dual boot that I can chroot to that is. |
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| 18:54.02 | thewanderer1 | hint: using KVM (virtual machine) you can boot a virtual system from a real disk partition |
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| 18:57.57 | wrksx | is someone using ourdelta reppo ? |
| 18:58.01 | wrksx | repo |
| 18:58.03 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yeah, but then you never know what's a real bug and what's a VM artifact. I prefer actual dual-boot. |
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| 18:59.19 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
| 18:59.54 | wrksx | i fail to understand the logic behind the way to use ourdelta |
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| 19:00.14 | wrksx | hum |
| 19:00.49 | wrksx | don't bother with that, i'll take my chance in #mysql |
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| 19:03.33 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: No clue what ourdelta is. |
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| 19:04.12 | jelly-home | YAmysql fork |
| 19:04.29 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, just in case you'd really would like to know http://ourdelta.org/ |
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| 19:17.23 | webad_13 | is there any chance to browse local files when using x11 forwarding - that is to say I would like to when I click open in the window that is being forwarded that I have possibility to browse files on the client machine and not only on the server side |
| 19:18.18 | jelly-home | webad_13: no. |
| 19:18.23 | jhutchins_lt | webad_13: Now is a good time to learn console file management. |
| 19:18.24 | helo | webad_13: you can mount via nfs from the client machine :) |
| 19:18.39 | abrotman | or sshfs |
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| 19:20.32 | ltsampros | karsten, abrotman, somiaj: It was not that hard after all, just a little bit of manual work :) Thanks all of you! |
| 19:20.51 | karsten | ltsampros: Cool. |
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| 19:24.36 | webad_13 | jhutchins_lt: I am trying to set it up for other users - I can manage it fine, but it would be much easier if they could browse locally |
| 19:25.03 | webad_13 | draging and dropping every time they need to use Office is not such a convenient solution |
| 19:26.09 | webad_13 | it would be a nice feature though |
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| 19:28.18 | wrksx | i did this |
| 19:28.19 | wrksx | http://mirror.ourdelta.org/deb/dists/squeeze/mariadb-ourdelta/ |
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| 19:28.52 | wrksx | and I can't see any mariadb-ourdelta with aptitude search |
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| 19:29.19 | wrksx | any idea what did I misunderstood ? |
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| 19:29.58 | dehemos | Hi, i'have a big probleme, i can't mont any device (usb key, external disk, my psp) and i have an big error (i'm french) |
| 19:30.07 | dehemos | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
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| 19:30.32 | dehemos | but my device work correctly with Ubuntu, why i can't use it in debian |
| 19:30.46 | webad_13 | dehemos: what is your mount command? |
| 19:30.56 | webad_13 | and what is the output of fdisk -l |
| 19:31.04 | dehemos | mount /dev/sdb /mnt |
| 19:31.20 | dehemos | but when i plug my key, i have an error |
| 19:31.34 | dehemos | whait, i make this command |
| 19:31.57 | dehemos | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 1 1022 7825423 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 19:32.14 | webad_13 | use pastebin.com to paste the output |
| 19:32.17 | dehemos | i have formated my key with debian |
| 19:32.26 | dehemos | ho escuse me! :( |
| 19:32.40 | ltsampros | the mount /dev/sdb1 :) |
| 19:32.44 | Bushmills | dehemos: why do you try to mount /dev/sdb when there is a partition sdb1? |
| 19:32.53 | webad_13 | so u tried sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 19:33.06 | dehemos | error |
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| 19:34.26 | dehemos | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /mnt < but i can't see it in /mnt |
| 19:34.48 | wrksx | Has someone here ever used mariaDB on debian 6 ? |
| 19:36.14 | dehemos | i have Debian 6.0.2.1, what's the probleme :( i have my work in my external disk for today, but i can't take it |
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| 19:39.57 | webad_13 | dehemos: I suppose u have tried to umount it first and then mount it (since mtab lists it as mounted) |
| 19:40.15 | abrotman | maybe look with lsof if something is actually using it ? |
| 19:40.19 | dehemos | why ? I don't understand you |
| 19:40.44 | webad_13 | well try sudo umount /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:40.51 | webad_13 | and then sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 19:41.10 | webad_13 | maybe it does not get mounted well automatically |
| 19:41.26 | dehemos | well, i can't see the key |
| 19:41.29 | webad_13 | and also u might have more info in this way |
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| 19:41.59 | wrksx | I adde a gpg key using this command: |
| 19:42.00 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.00 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.00 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:43.42 | wrksx | humhum. I said I used that command line: http://pastie.org/2429548 |
| 19:43.55 | wrksx | to add a gpg key to apt |
| 19:44.07 | wrksx | it apears I don't need it anymore, how could I remove it ? I ask because I doesn't even fully understand this comand line |
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| 19:45.04 | themill | wrksx: apt-key list; apt-key del |
| 19:45.37 | wrksx | themill, ok, thanks a lot |
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| 19:46.34 | dehemos | yes my device as mounted with mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt, but with read only |
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| 19:47.15 | format_c | Is it possible to install a wheezy package on squeeze without completely changing to wheezy? |
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| 19:47.39 | themill | format_c: not really. /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:48.06 | wrksx | !bin |
| 19:48.06 | dpkg | [.bin] NOT a meaningful filename extension. "aptitude install file", then run file on your .bin and see what it is (or, read it with less). Or read the README file that should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try "sh myfile.bin". .bin is the extension used by some JDK installers (which are executable files) and is also a Macintosh archive format (MacBinary). If it is a CD image, ask me about <bin-cue>. |
| 19:48.13 | wrksx | ~bin |
| 19:48.13 | apt | hmm... bin is where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
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| 19:48.21 | wrksx | lol |
| 19:48.34 | wrksx | !paste |
| 19:48.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:49.05 | babilen | !tell wrksx -about msgthebot |
| 19:49.12 | wrksx | the last line astonish me: http://pastie.org/2429571 |
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| 19:50.09 | abrotman | jesus ... |
| 19:50.15 | Gaia | yes? |
| 19:50.34 | wrksx | so i don't get the last line of this: http://pastie.org/2429571 |
| 19:50.44 | wrksx | what's a sub ? |
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| 19:50.57 | babilen | wrksx: A subkey |
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| 19:51.37 | wrksx | babilen, oh, so it inherit te uid from the parent key ? |
| 19:52.02 | Gaia | there has to be a way to stop the install once it's downloading stuff |
| 19:52.12 | babilen | wrksx: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html#AEN526 |
| 19:52.23 | babilen | Gaia: CTRL-c works |
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| 19:52.37 | wrksx | babilen, thanks master |
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| 19:52.56 | babilen | Gaia: But do that only when it is still downloading. |
| 19:53.22 | Gaia | thanks but I just passed that .I don't know why I didn't think of that |
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| 19:55.37 | Zetas | anyone know of a way to install packages on multiple debian boxes at once? like an aptitude deployment server of some kind? |
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| 19:56.54 | webad_13 | Zetas: a script and openssh? |
| 19:57.26 | Zetas | webad_13, that seems to be the answer i get everywhere lol, thanks, i knew that, i was just wondering if there was something more formal the experts knew about |
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| 19:58.04 | webad_13 | Zetas: ah sorry, not an expert - but this was first thing that came to my mind :) |
| 19:58.15 | Zetas | :) |
| 19:58.47 | craigevil | !fai |
| 19:58.48 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:59.10 | Zetas | craigevil, you are the man |
| 19:59.31 | babilen | Zetas: Puppet is frequently used, but does way more than just "install pkg x on host1 - host23" -- distributed shells might come in handy (such as dsh, dish, clustershell, ...) |
| 20:00.03 | Zetas | yea im using puppet now but the idea of having it install packages on my nodes makes baby jesus cry |
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| 20:02.44 | abrotman | Zetas: you can use dsh ? |
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| 20:04.38 | Zetas | abrotman, yea thats cool too, but i was looking for something a bit more robust, something that would take control of the install process and make sure it was completed successfully or notify me if it wasnt. |
| 20:04.56 | Zetas | fai is a good lead, im gonna play with it some |
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| 20:06.53 | abrotman | is pretty sure that's what chef/puppet are for |
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| 20:09.06 | wrksx | do i really need to keep that key ? uid Lenny Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org> |
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| 20:09.22 | wrksx | since Iupgraded to squeeze ? |
| 20:09.22 | Accelerator | Could I (safely) remove /just/ OpenSSL installed through the repository, so I can recompile the latest version manually? |
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| 20:09.36 | Accelerator | Attempting to remove OpenSSL prompt to remove multiple other programs, such as Dovecot. |
| 20:09.47 | Accelerator | Being that I just want to replace it, not remove it entirely. |
| 20:09.48 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: why would you want to do that? |
| 20:10.21 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: Debians OpenSSL is slow. I've read people posting in various places complaining about it. |
| 20:10.28 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: if you do want the latest version, you can recompile the package itself, being careful if you'd need to change the sonames |
| 20:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: huh? |
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| 20:10.52 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: All I know is OpenSSL has always been slow since I moved to debian, so it seems to make sense. |
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| 20:11.22 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: what are you trying to do with it? are you sure it's actually ssl or your entropy source? |
| 20:11.54 | dondelelcaro | secondly, there aren't all that many changes done to the ssl package, and we do ship versions compiled for different subarchitectures |
| 20:12.27 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: Everything related to OpenSSL connections is slow. Apache/web, Dovecot/e-mail |
| 20:12.48 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: slow at what stage? |
| 20:12.48 | Accelerator | IRC uses GnuTLS, it doesn't have any problems at all. |
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| 20:13.01 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: Logging in, requesting web pages |
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| 20:13.11 | Accelerator | Slow to the point my webmail times out trying to connect |
| 20:13.27 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: that sounds like an entropy problem |
| 20:13.52 | Accelerator | The server has plenty of processing power. |
| 20:13.54 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: pre-existing connections like IRC won't suffer from it since entropy is only required when rekeying |
| 20:14.14 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: yes, which is why it's doubtful that it has much to do with one or the other being slow |
| 20:14.22 | Accelerator | Quad Core Xeon @ 2.53GHz with hyperthreading, I had a server with maybe 1/3rd that power and it wasn't near as slow. |
| 20:14.30 | wrksx | aptitude now scream about my now just removed "ourdelta" gpg key, but sources.list doesn't list the concerned server |
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| 20:14.44 | wrksx | I don't get where it is |
| 20:14.49 | Accelerator | Yeah. IRC uses GnuTLS though, not OpenSSL. |
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| 20:15.11 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: the implementations are close enough that that wouldn't matter |
| 20:15.34 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: Do you have any recommendations as a fix? |
| 20:15.52 | Accelerator | Also, what is the latest OpenSSL version in debian (stable), out of curiosity. |
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| 20:16.15 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: first see if your entropy iis actually the problem by checking it out and/or stracing one of the daemons (or running dovecot or similar on a different port) to see where it is blocking |
| 20:16.24 | dondelelcaro | ,versions openssl |
| 20:16.26 | judd | Package openssl on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze1; sid: 1.0.0d-3; wheezy: 1.0.0d-3 |
| 20:16.44 | wrksx | what does the -d means in /sources.list.d ? |
| 20:16.57 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: you mean the .d? |
| 20:17.02 | wrksx | oh yes |
| 20:17.04 | Accelerator | daemon |
| 20:17.08 | Accelerator | Right? |
| 20:17.10 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: it's a common suffix that means directory |
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| 20:17.14 | Accelerator | Oh. |
| 20:17.19 | Accelerator | Hah. |
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| 20:17.30 | wrksx | hum |
| 20:17.31 | Accelerator | I always thought it meant daemon for some reason. |
| 20:17.43 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: you'll see lots of it when you can have multiple configurations in a directory which is traversed with run-parts or similar |
| 20:17.54 | themill | wrksx: same as in rc?.d, /etc/apache2/conf.d, /etc/fonts/conf.d, /etc/exim4/conf.d etc |
| 20:17.57 | wrksx | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot |
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| 20:18.26 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: it does when you're talking about ftpd or similar |
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| 20:18.43 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: Yeah, init.d has just always made me think of "daemon" |
| 20:18.54 | Accelerator | I know HTTPd and FTPd mean daemon. |
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| 20:20.20 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: but back to your problem, generally entropy or DNS lookup is the main reason why connections will be slow to initiate. If they're slow *after* initiating SSL, then that's something else entirely. |
| 20:20.41 | thewanderer1 | I wonder, does OpenSSL use urandom or random? |
| 20:21.17 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 20:21.45 | Posterdati | will kernel 3.0 be released in squeeze? |
| 20:22.10 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it really should use random |
| 20:22.11 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 20:22.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-2); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 20:22.19 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: There's no problem with non-ssl based connections. Those are perfectly fast. DNS lookups are fine also. I require some form of encrypted on my mail server though |
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| 20:22.32 | dondelelcaro | Posterdati: it'll be available as a backport at some time, I think |
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| 20:23.10 | dondelelcaro | Posterdati: but backporting it may be slightly dicy, so it will probably take a bit. [There are some things which assumed a 2.Y.XX revision scheme, and I'm not sure if all of them have been worked out yet.] |
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| 20:23.30 | Bushmills | not in squeeze. probably in backports |
| 20:23.37 | Accelerator | sFTP is also slow, I forgot to mention that. It's fast without SSL. |
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| 20:24.19 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: is it fast when you're using an already initiated connection? |
| 20:24.50 | n-iCe | how can I know if my video card is running well |
| 20:24.55 | Accelerator | No. Transferring files over sFTP is flat out slow. I believe connections even drop from it being so bad, resulting in missing/empty files. |
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| 20:25.16 | Bushmills | n-iCe: you look at its output |
| 20:25.22 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: hrm. even if you sftp to localhost? |
| 20:26.00 | n-iCe | Bushmills: what do you mean? |
| 20:26.16 | Accelerator | Yeah. |
| 20:26.23 | Bushmills | like, on a connected screen |
| 20:27.08 | n-iCe | uh? |
| 20:28.12 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: hrm. and it's bad even when using scp? |
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| 20:28.31 | JordiGH | What's the way to setup printers in gnome nowadays? |
| 20:29.06 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: You should be getting somewhere near 20M/s or similar, I would expect |
| 20:29.07 | Accelerator | SCP.. it's hard-ish to tell, SCP I don't really have big problems with, being that I'm only transferring one file. |
| 20:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: so transfer a large file? |
| 20:29.58 | Accelerator | Yeah, I am, hang on. |
| 20:32.08 | Accelerator | SCP doesn't show a progress meeter when transferring locally. But I haven't gotten past around 7.4MB/s remotely, as far as I can remember. That's on a 100Mbit connection also. |
| 20:32.31 | Accelerator | So it should be capped out at 12.5MB/s |
| 20:32.42 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: uh... I said to do it to localhost |
| 20:32.56 | Accelerator | "SCP doesn't show a progress meeter when transferring locally." |
| 20:33.09 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: it does. |
| 20:33.13 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: localhost is not locally |
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| 20:33.38 | dondelelcaro | for example, scp debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso localhost:temp.iso; |
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| 20:34.40 | dondelelcaro | that should max out the cpu or get you disk-speed once it connects |
| 20:34.51 | Accelerator | Ah, right. |
| 20:34.54 | Accelerator | 77.0MB/s |
| 20:35.02 | dondelelcaro | so your problem isn't with libssl being slow |
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| 20:35.32 | dondelelcaro | did it take a while to connect? |
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| 20:35.48 | Accelerator | Through localhost? No. |
| 20:35.58 | dondelelcaro | then the problem probably isn't entropy either |
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| 20:36.21 | Accelerator | It seems to affect anything using OpenSSL though. Dovecot, vsftpd, Apache.. |
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| 20:39.38 | dondelelcaro | hrm |
| 20:39.54 | dondelelcaro | Accelerator: are those connections slow if you make them to localhost? |
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| 20:44.41 | Accelerator | dondelelcaro: Yeah. |
| 20:44.42 | jelly-home | Accelerator: why would you scp locally at all? |
| 20:44.46 | Accelerator | Fairly slow. |
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| 20:51.09 | haus | does anyone know of an equivalent to repomanage (from yum-utils) for dpkg and debs? |
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| 20:51.38 | haus | specifically, something like 'repomanage --old' that would list all of the old debs in a directory |
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| 20:56.17 | TFGBD | I can't believe microwave ovens can be so fatal to linux... |
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| 20:56.27 | TFGBD | http://paste.debian.net/127415/ |
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| 20:57.22 | Delf | I'm running Debian as router. How I make a test.dns.com point to a specific ip#? |
| 20:57.38 | babilen | haus: What does repomanage do? |
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| 20:58.08 | an0 | Delf: Are you not able to do that in your DNS server? |
| 20:58.25 | wols | if you use a nice caching dns, you only need to put it in /etc/hts, Delf |
| 20:58.30 | Delf | an0: I'm using bind9. I can't find the manual for it. |
| 20:58.36 | babilen | Delf: You could edit /etc/hosts |
| 20:58.38 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:58.53 | an0 | Delf: /etc/hosts is the only way I know. |
| 20:58.59 | an0 | Holy crap, I'm slow. |
| 20:59.06 | Delf | but when the server resolves the address I want it to point to the actual ip#, not one that I have specified. |
| 20:59.33 | babilen | Delf: But if you use bind9 already just configure it -- there is plenty of documentation on the web and also the #bind channel. |
| 20:59.36 | karlpinc | Delf: The manual is in the bind9-doc package in /usr/share/doc/bind9-doc.... |
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| 21:00.09 | karlpinc | Delf: I think you need to use a file:///usr/share/doc/.... url because it's in html. |
| 21:00.37 | haus | babilen: repomanage returns a list of the oldest or newest packages in a directory |
| 21:01.13 | haus | babilen: and can specify how many new/old packages to keep out of list |
| 21:01.39 | karlpinc | I had an odd thing happen and I'm wondering what's going on. I'm installing debian on an acer aspire one d255e and couldn't get it to boot past the syslinux spash using a usb key. So I setup pxeboot and went into the installer a little but didn't install. But now it boots off the usb key into the installer boot menu just fine. What's up? |
| 21:01.43 | babilen | haus: If you have a directory with a bunch of Debian packages in it that is? |
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| 21:02.06 | haus | yea, exactly |
| 21:02.34 | babilen | haus: What would you use that for? I am not aware of such a tool, which doesn't mean that it does no exist though. |
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| 21:03.26 | karlpinc | It's bothering me because I'd like to always be able to boot off usb key, but it wasn't doing that for a while. |
| 21:03.35 | haus | babilen: well, if building a bunch of packages with frequent updates/releases, the directory quickly can get out of hand |
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| 21:03.42 | Delf | Thank you, babilen and an0 ;D |
| 21:03.56 | babilen | hands a share to karlpinc |
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| 21:04.32 | haus | babilen: so for yum, you can run `repomanage --old /path/to/rpms | xargs rm -f` to clean out all the old packages from the directory |
| 21:04.54 | babilen | haus: And is that old in terms of file creation or in terms of package version? |
| 21:05.03 | haus | babilen: package version |
| 21:05.43 | haus | babilen: repomanage is a python script that comes with yum-utils, so i can hack it to do what i want probably, but wanted to check if there was something already out there |
| 21:05.45 | themill | old as in "outdated"? |
| 21:05.55 | themill | superseded by a newer version? |
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| 21:06.16 | haus | themill: old as in not the newest version in the directory |
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| 21:08.11 | Delf | bwaa! I added it in hosts and restarted bind9, computers on lan are still resolving to old ip#. but the debian router resolves to the ip# specified in hosts. |
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| 21:08.25 | themill | haus: You don't need a special tool for this, you only need a 10 line script. I had this kicking around in an old toolbox... it's ugly but works. http://pastebin.com/KdPibHc4 If you want more sophisticated then consider using a real repo like reprepro |
| 21:09.58 | karlpinc | Delf: You probably want split-horizon dns. See the bind manual. |
| 21:10.42 | Delf | karlpinc: I'm reading the bind manual, I don't understand much. |
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| 21:11.20 | karlpinc | Delf: Then first read the rfc that's an intro to dns "concepts" or some such. |
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| 21:12.18 | haus | themill: thanks for the link, checking it out |
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| 21:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: Some of the computers have probably cached the address. |
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| 21:16.35 | Odaym | when I'm in the directory of a certain application, and I'm building from source |
| 21:16.46 | Odaym | can I completely get rid of that directory after I'm done? |
| 21:17.05 | Odaym | and if not, where do I place it? /usr/local ? |
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| 21:20.04 | rom1v | hi |
| 21:20.19 | rom1v | how to remove xfce and ALL the xfce-apps ? |
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| 21:23.07 | pipegeek | What's the name of the daemon wheezy uses to display desktop notifications in gnome? Is it just notification-daemon? |
| 21:23.40 | pipegeek | It seems to no longer be starting on login as of about a week ago, resulting in desktop notifications being rendered as normal windows (which is irritating, since they don't go away) |
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| 21:25.36 | bernhard2 | When i try to create a file with passwords it does not work: htpasswd -c /etc/nginx/conf/.htpasswd/passwd password |
| 21:25.46 | bernhard2 | how do i do this in debian ? |
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| 21:28.34 | themill | dpkg: tell bernhard2 about doesn't work |
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| 21:29.49 | bernhard2 | <themill> htpasswd: command not found So it doesnt work.. |
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| 21:30.52 | themill | bernhard2: sounds like you need to install the appropriate package; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:31.43 | bernhard2 | <themill> im wondering if debian doesnt have a command which would be able to do the same ?? |
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| 21:32.21 | themill | it does, but unsurprisingly, it doesn't get installed on every box on the off-chance it might be needed. You need to install the appropriate package. |
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| 21:33.13 | gnarface | so anyone use vservers on squeeze still? |
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| 21:33.29 | gnarface | o |
| 21:33.45 | gnarface | i'm trying to decide whether to use the debian tools or the vserver tools to create guests |
| 21:33.53 | bernhard2 | <themill> So there is no (default) package already installed which could do the same with another command / |
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| 21:35.45 | themill | bernhard2: just install apache2-utils already.... |
| 21:36.28 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I haven't used vserver for years, but for OpenVZ I use debootstrap every time, not templates |
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| 21:37.12 | yoshio | ,file htpasswd |
| 21:37.16 | judd | htpasswd in squeeze/i386: apache2-utils: usr/bin/htpasswd; mini-httpd: usr/bin/htpasswd; thttpd-util: usr/bin/thtpasswd; libapache2-mod-auth-plain: usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-auth-plain/examples/.htpasswd; apache2-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/htpasswd; python-repoze.who: usr/share/pyshared/repoze/who/plugins/tests/fixtures/test.htpasswd |
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| 21:38.09 | bernhard2 | <themill> using nginx.. so not in need for apache utils.. there is no simple package which could do the same ? |
| 21:38.58 | jhutchins_lt | bernhard2: Except that apacheutils has htpasswd. |
| 21:39.05 | gnarface | thewanderer1: the new util-vserver package seems to use debootstrap, as does the vserver-debiantools package... |
| 21:39.34 | smhar | I have another distro double booting with debian. I have grub2 installed in debian. and update-grub2 discovered the kernel image in /boot of the other distro (mounted partition). . I then removed the kernels from that distro and did another update-grub2 from debian, but the other distro's kernel is still -somehow- found, although nothing is in its /boot directory. how to remove it from the grub menu? |
| 21:39.55 | Delf | I think I've managed half-way |
| 21:40.10 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: good, so use that! |
| 21:40.34 | jhutchins_lt | bernhard2: iirc there's a way to manually encrypt it. Probably something in the ngnx docs. |
| 21:40.57 | Delf | at least the address is not resolving to any ip#, yet :D |
| 21:40.58 | themill | bernhard2: apache2.2-utils isn't apache. Doesn't nginx come with its own utility? You could use any interface to crypt(3) to make the correct entry, such as mkpasswd, perl, php, python, .... |
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| 21:42.38 | helo | , file arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
| 21:42.42 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 21:43.54 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 21:44.21 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: Trying to add an AA record. |
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| 21:44.49 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: Presumably you have a reason for doing so. |
| 21:44.58 | Delf | Yes, Of course. |
| 21:45.12 | helo | is there an arm cross-compiling c++ compiler in the repos? |
| 21:45.16 | jhutchins_lt | You mean an A record. |
| 21:45.32 | gnarface | thewanderer1: do you happen to remember if the syntax for --interface when you want it to be an existing aliased device is like this: eth1:1:ipaddress/mask or is it: 1=eth1:ipaddress/mask ? |
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| 21:45.45 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: Yes, A record, not AA. |
| 21:45.59 | helo | since debian supports arm it seems like something that would be included |
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| 21:46.13 | Mansouri | hey everyone. im having a problem hoping someone can help me out. whenever i click "X" in iceweasel, instead of actually closing, its minimizing to tray |
| 21:46.19 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: <hostname> A <ip> - nothin' to it. |
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| 21:46.25 | Mansouri | is there a way to make it work normally? i dont remember it was this way when i first installed debian |
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| 21:46.42 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: Where? In hosts? |
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| 21:47.06 | helo | i will try using pdebuild-cross to create the environment in which to compile |
| 21:47.09 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: Not for bind. /etc/bind/db.local.net or whatever is specified in the bind conf. |
| 21:47.13 | mallery | How to duplicate a QR-code ?? |
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| 21:47.22 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: Hosts only works for the local machine. |
| 21:47.24 | helo | mallery: cp |
| 21:47.43 | mallery | helo: but how to convert a scan into code information ? |
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| 21:47.47 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.04 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: not at all, sorry, it's been ages and I replaced this slot in my mind with OpenVZ stuff |
| 21:48.06 | helo | mallery: android app "Barcode Scanner" is how i do it... not sure in debian |
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| 21:48.24 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: /etc/bind/named.conf.local is where you set the database name in Debian. |
| 21:48.25 | smhar | recently I learned about partition labels and I named them DEBIAN, GENTOO and BACKUP. after that, when I boot to gentoo, I am faced with a read-only root fs. I discovered that if I commented /dev/sdb2 (BACKUP) I can boot in then I can mount it manually. it must be the naming confusion |
| 21:48.38 | mallery | helo: ty |
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| 21:48.54 | archman | accidentally managed to pass "usermod -G ..." instead of "usermod -aG" and erased all my groups. can anyone tell me what groups are default so i can append em or somehow restore the state? |
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| 21:49.44 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: zone <domain> { type master;\n file /etc/bind/db.<domain>;\n }; |
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| 21:50.01 | N-I-L | Mansouri: have you tried right clicking by help and customize and the restore defaults? ive actually never heard of that problem though. |
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| 21:51.54 | archman | anyone? |
| 21:52.45 | Mansouri | N-I-L, that only restores settings of toolbar or whatever its called. Doesn't fix my problem :S |
| 21:52.48 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: I'll try that now |
| 21:52.58 | helo | is it feasible to use pdebuilder-cross to create an envinronment in which to cross-compile from tarballs for arm? |
| 21:53.17 | N-I-L | Mansouri: oh well i dont know then. |
| 21:54.14 | yoshio | archman: see /usr/share/base-passwd |
| 21:54.40 | archman | yoshio: thanks, checking it out |
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| 21:56.13 | yoshio | Mansouri, go to about:config, and type "close" in the search box - are the entries the default ones? |
| 21:56.49 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: Now, bind9 service refuses to start :( |
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| 21:59.12 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: What am I suppose to have in the file? |
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| 21:59.51 | Mansouri | yoshio: yep, all of them are default |
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| 22:03.16 | Mansouri | yoshio: i tried restarting with no addons enabled, then checking "reset all preferences to default", and its still happening lol |
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| 22:04.02 | Mansouri | i disabled firetray.closetotray and now |
| 22:04.10 | Mansouri | its closing all tabs without warning |
| 22:04.18 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: There's a template that gives you default headers. |
| 22:04.23 | Mansouri | even though i have warn me before closing when multiple tabs are opened |
| 22:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: db.empty |
| 22:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Check the logs for errors, it usually says what it doesn't like. |
| 22:05.13 | sedulous | how do i get putty to send different keycodes for Shift+[arrow keys] and [arrow keys]? |
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| 22:05.39 | Mansouri | alright, fixed it |
| 22:05.45 | Mansouri | thanks for the help. |
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| 22:05.56 | sedulous | (for instance, rxvt sends ^[[d for shift-left and ^[[D for "left". putty always sends ^[[D) |
| 22:06.07 | archman | yoshio: hmm, whichever group i add with "usermod -aG somegroup user", it's not shown with "groups".. |
| 22:06.21 | Delf1 | Where are the logs? |
| 22:06.44 | yoshio | archman, you have to logout then login for the change to take |
| 22:06.50 | Delf1 | Found it |
| 22:06.56 | jhutchins_lt | /var/log - sorry I don't know the exact one, Debian's profligate log scheme confuses me. |
| 22:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: grep |
| 22:07.21 | archman | yoshio: ok, also, is there a log which shows which groups aptitude created upon installing software? |
| 22:07.34 | archman | yoshio: or appended to the user |
| 22:09.12 | archman | yoshio: aah, /var/log/apt/term.log i guess |
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| 22:09.43 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 22:10.09 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Bind is a pretty cool system, fun to learn, even if you're only doing a small LAN. |
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| 22:10.34 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: A lot of people use dnsmasq now to provide both DHCP and DNS, it's supposed to be simpler to set up. |
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| 22:11.07 | AntiVigilante | is there a way to get lighttpd to behave apache-mpm-itk |
| 22:11.09 | yoshio | archman, there is a command to make the new groups 'take' without having to logout, don't remember what it is |
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| 22:11.40 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: I've managed to learn ISC DHCP a little bit. |
| 22:11.46 | archman | yoshio: true, works now :) |
| 22:12.01 | archman | yoshio: although i forgot all the groups my user was in :S |
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| 22:13.02 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: http://paste.debian.net/127421/ |
| 22:13.30 | roe_ | ISC DHCP and BInd would be perfect if Bind support LDAP as a backend |
| 22:13.32 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: Could you write an example for me? |
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| 22:14.18 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Right, copy that to db.<domain>, add the record to the last line. |
| 22:14.21 | Delf1 | example.comA10.0.0.16 |
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| 22:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: change localhost. to <domain>. |
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| 22:15.38 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Actually, localhost. to <server>.<domain>.<tld>. |
| 22:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: In the SOA record. root.localhost. stays the same. |
| 22:16.02 | Delf1 | you lost me there |
| 22:16.10 | yoshio | archman, 'man newgrp' |
| 22:16.40 | Delf1 | I haven't changed anything in the files, I merely created a file. |
| 22:16.49 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: @ IN SOA <host>.<domain>.<tld>. root.localhost. ( |
| 22:17.11 | Delf1 | I changed in name.conf.local to contain the zone <domian> {bla bla}. |
| 22:18.06 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: Please paste one with example.com as domain. |
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| 22:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: http://paste.debian.net/127422/ |
| 22:21.09 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: That's live. |
| 22:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: I also have rdns set up for that net. |
| 22:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Gotta go for a bit. |
| 22:22.20 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: Thanks a lot! |
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| 22:28.35 | ranix | ok I am having a serious WTF moment and I think I am making it worse for myself |
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| 22:28.58 | ranix | I am trying to mount /boot on a system I just debootstrapped and am getting "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2' |
| 22:29.13 | ranix | I have never seen this in my life |
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| 22:29.30 | ranix | what have I done |
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| 22:29.54 | ranix | argh nevermind /lib/modules is empty |
| 22:29.56 | ranix | fff |
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| 22:33.38 | smhar | I have another distro installed alongside debian in my computer but grub2 is installed in debian. I removed the deleted the kernel from the /boot of the other distro but update-grub2 in debian still finds the deleted kernel and adds it. how to remove it? |
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| 22:35.11 | _Dave123_ | i just formatted my only hdd in my dedicated server with a live cd. What would be the best way for me now to install the latest (basic) debian distro? |
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| 22:45.10 | anomaly | _Dave123_, so you just installed the basic distro from livecd? |
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| 22:48.08 | smhar | _Dave123_, adjust your sources as per your requirement, (stable/testing) then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade then apt-get install the programs that you need |
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| 22:50.58 | n0sq | is it just me or is intellinuxwireless.org down? |
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| 22:56.20 | smhar | n0sq, just you |
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| 23:00.06 | smhar | how can update-grub2 finds a kernel image from a partition that is not even mounted?! |
| 23:00.35 | smhar | is there some sort of cache for grub2 that I need to clear? |
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| 23:05.15 | densone | mattray: Used gem to install it |
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| 23:16.49 | _Dave123_ | how can i change the server name? i see now root@server1 ( want to change that) |
| 23:18.05 | somiaj | _Dave123_: cat /etc/hostsname (: |
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| 23:39.29 | smhar | how can update-grub2 finds a kernel image that is deleted in an empty /boot directory of an unmouted partition? please explain |
| 23:40.23 | jason404 | what script is run on ssh connection? |
| 23:40.39 | jason404 | it is not .bashrc |
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| 23:41.01 | jason404 | the onw which runs motf, last connected, etc |
| 23:41.07 | jason404 | motd |
| 23:42.11 | somiaj | jason404: /etc/profile though looks like its scripts in /etc/profile.d now |
| 23:42.30 | jason404 | somiaj thanks |
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| 23:45.56 | Schalken | If I wanted to install Debian using NTFS as it's root filesystem, would it be as simple as doing a normal install on ext3, then installing ntfs-3g, shutting down, "rsync -a"ing the files to an NTFS partition, updating the filesystem type in fstab, and booting that partition with grub? Or is there a way to install Debain straight onto an existing NTFS partition? |
| 23:47.43 | nfengone | I am trying to netboot Debian to a pc on my network. The pc acting as server is a MacBook Pro with tftp configured. Result: I get an error on the pc I am netbooting: PXE-T01:File not found, PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File not found... |
| 23:48.11 | nfengone | Oh sorry... hello guys :) |
| 23:48.25 | somiaj | Schalken: you don't want to use ntfs as the base filesystem, it doens't have unix like permissions (ownership / read,write,excute bits) which will mess with a lot of things. |
| 23:49.43 | derric | After reading the update-rc.d manual, I was just looking through the init.d directory and noticed that Squeeze is choosing to number the scripts in it's own way rather then as the manual described. In particular Squeeze seems to number the start scripts starting with 01 and like wise for the kill scripts. If Squeeze were to follow the manuel it woulod number the kill scripts working backwards from 100 if I understand things correctly. |
| 23:50.16 | somiaj | derric: there was a change, the numbers use to range from 0-100 (with the 000 being run first and 100 being run last) |
| 23:50.31 | somiaj | derric: now it just ordereds them depending on how many scripts you have. |
| 23:50.41 | somiaj | derric: my guess is the manual hasn't updated to reflect this change |
| 23:50.46 | Schalken | somiaj: Oh. :( http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#rootfs says it can work. But NTFS simply doesn't support the features Debian requires of it's root filesystem? |
| 23:50.47 | chmod577 | schalken seems like he knows what hes doing |
| 23:50.51 | chmod577 | but lol ntfs |
| 23:50.59 | civillian | nfengone: I'd say that you have a file that isn't found... |
| 23:51.08 | chmod577 | no ntfs is not very well supported |
| 23:51.23 | nfengone | Yes, that's my problem |
| 23:51.29 | somiaj | Schalken: I mean you could use ntfs if you wanted, but things may not work as epected. The file system permisions are different enough that standard things you want (espically for security) won't be there. |
| 23:51.35 | chmod577 | and by that i mean its super proprietary and it wasnt designed with unix in mond at all |
| 23:52.20 | nfengone | civillian: put en get command, from localhost seems operating |
| 23:52.42 | nfengone | civillian: (put and get commands) |
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| 23:53.03 | derric | soniaj: OK, that's good to know. I want to install a firewall script that gets run before the network connection is brought up, and kill after the network connection is brought down. So I just pick the right spot using the number already in init.d as a guide? |
| 23:53.25 | civillian | nfengone: get is all you need, have you tried a packet trace of the download? |
| 23:53.30 | Schalken | somiaj: Does that mean it simply wont enforce file access permissions? So considering that, the system may still actually work, albeit without file permissions being enforced? |
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| 23:54.13 | somiaj | Schalken: seems as if there are some advanced features, and maybe you can get closer -- but I will still say its a bad idea. |
| 23:54.58 | somiaj | derric: basically the files are read in althebetical order, and the number scheme is just to enforce that. |
| 23:55.16 | nfengone | civillian: Yes, tftp localhost: |
| 23:55.27 | nfengone | tftp> get pxelinux.0 |
| 23:55.36 | nfengone | Received 27202 bytes in 0.1 seconds |
| 23:55.50 | somiaj | derric: its been a while since I've needed that much detial on boot order, haven't messed with this new number system enough, but update-rc.d should do everything for you. |
| 23:56.06 | civillian | nfengone: what if you try that from another host |
| 23:56.44 | derric | soniaj: Yep, I was looking for a little varification on that before I started changeing things. |
| 23:56.49 | nfengone | civillian: I haven't no other host. |
| 23:56.53 | nfengone | :( |
| 23:56.54 | derric | soniaj: Thanks. |
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| 23:58.37 | Schalken | somiaj: Hmm. I have a diskless box that I was going to plug an NTFS USB drive into and have it boot off of it. I don't like splitting up drives if I can avoid it, not only because it simplifies everything but because I never predict how much space I'm going to need in each partition and one always fills up with plenty of space left in the other. But it sounds like I better at least make a small other partition for /. Maybe I can at least put /home on the NTFS |
| 23:58.38 | nfengone | civillian: only my MacBook Pro and the pc I want to netboot... |
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| 23:59.19 | civillian | nfengone: try tftp to the IP of your macbook from your macbook |
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