| 00:00.05 | themill | steals TXX_'s enter key |
| 00:00.32 | derric | I'm thinking a udev rule would be best in case I have the usb cable pulled out at boot time then plug it in later. |
| 00:00.57 | derric | Then again I could just log out then log back in to initiate the shell script. |
| 00:01.52 | derric | You guys are the best! Thanks for helpimg me think this though... |
| 00:01.53 | TXX_ | omfg, now i can't newlines n n n n NOOO com'on! How do i n n n work! n ! n WORK GOD DAMMIT n FUCKING n WORK n YOU n SON n OF n A n BITCH!!!!! n !!!!!! n !!!!! |
| 00:02.12 | nathwill | oh dear |
| 00:02.47 | Accelerator | derric: umad? |
| 00:02.53 | derric | !doesn't work |
| 00:02.53 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 00:03.46 | derric | I'm OK, I'm off to write a udev rule or shell script which ever I can manage to produce first. |
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| 00:04.42 | derric | Ocassionally, I'll ask a question and figure out the awnser in the process. |
| 00:05.17 | max_sharpe | nice. |
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| 00:11.02 | derric | Accelerator: This all started because mplayer was creating like a 2 second delay in the audio relative to the video because it was having trouble finding the sound device on my machine because for what ever reason udev failed to sym link the sound device to /dev/dsp. |
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| 00:31.48 | Cephei | Lo ev1 ! |
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| 00:33.35 | Cephei | best chance with: hello every debian users :p ? |
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| 00:39.02 | max_sharpe | hey Cephei |
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| 00:58.34 | syn3rgy | Was wondering if if it possible to make a whole-system-encryption using ie LUKs AES256 and SHA512. Yes I want all my partitions ie tmp encrypted. Using Deb testing with only main. |
| 00:59.44 | syn3rgy | Well I know that the boot ie initrd and the kernel might not be feasible atm. |
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| 01:02.55 | syn3rgy | right and I want XTC not CBS. I just pulled the truck of GRUB2 and it looks that even the kernel, boot, initrm can be encrypted. Ill wait for that to mature a bit |
| 01:03.14 | syn3rgy | initrd* |
| 01:03.48 | syn3rgy | CBC* |
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| 01:05.38 | syn3rgy | LUKs is a nice key exchanger. To bad the bootloaders are behind there =/ |
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| 01:08.48 | syn3rgy | Bumb...so can Squeeze do whole disk encryption when installing it? |
| 01:09.37 | li | debian-installer gave me an option for encrypting everything |
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| 01:10.38 | syn3rgy | li that is really nice to hear. Was it a manual install or guided? |
| 01:11.27 | li | syn3rgy: it set it up for me and then I pressed enter a few times. i didn't have to manually partition it. |
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| 01:11.50 | syn3rgy | li thx. |
| 01:11.54 | li | it does a secure erase of the existing partitions by default though, you might want to press enter to cancel that when it starts if it's not necessary because it takes a long time |
| 01:12.37 | fenugreek | oh luks does that too? |
| 01:12.47 | karlpinc | li: Is that separate from a pass that writes pseudo random data over the partition? |
| 01:12.51 | syn3rgy | li I am using sfill right now to clean out my free space. Should be done in about 15 days =) |
| 01:13.04 | fenugreek | my friend was using truecrypt and having it zero the drive first, and it was a(n empty) 2TB it was taking him forever =P |
| 01:13.17 | li | karlpinc: i think that's what it's doing |
| 01:13.34 | li | i didn't have anything notable on the hard disk before installing debian though so i skipped it |
| 01:14.07 | karlpinc | li: Thanks. I'm thinking it's nice to write data over the whole drive so it all looks the same regardless of whether there's anything there. |
| 01:14.17 | dvs | fenugreek: it took me about 8 hours to zero mine. |
| 01:14.31 | namtorba | looks at him ? |
| 01:14.32 | namtorba | [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 01:14.33 | li | karlpinc: it can't hurt, yes |
| 01:14.43 | li | i didn't have the time though |
| 01:14.52 | namtorba | ignore me |
| 01:15.04 | karlpinc | dvs: Probably depends on whether your drive has been optimized for marketing purposes or not. ;-) |
| 01:15.25 | fenugreek | if I had 2TB of sensitive data that I had somehow not encrypted already, I think I'd probably be able to afford to buy another drive, encrypt without zeroing, copy, and then zero at my leisure |
| 01:15.29 | dvs | heh |
| 01:15.31 | syn3rgy | li oh really if you really want to get back all the deleated files from like a zillion years ago try using the program photorec. I found 4654 files after a wipe. |
| 01:16.04 | li | syn3rgy: yes, i know. when i say "nothing notable" i mean that :) |
| 01:16.04 | jason404 | why are my HTTPS sites using SSL 3.0 rather than TLS? |
| 01:16.23 | li | attackers may recover preloaded windows environment all they want ;) |
| 01:17.25 | Leoneof | namtorba: your characters are boxs, what font i'm missing? |
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| 01:17.39 | karlpinc | fenugreek: Does the toolset support going back and writing psudo random data over the parts of the disk that don't have data on them? That sounds unlikely unless your using an encrypted filesystem. |
| 01:17.42 | syn3rgy | jason404 use the FF plugin HTTP-everywhere by EFF. It will force the highest encryptions on most sites. |
| 01:17.49 | Leoneof | boxes* |
| 01:18.10 | namtorba | Leoneof: ctrl sequences :) |
| 01:18.42 | fenugreek | karlpinc: I'm not aware of any evidence that's worth doing over zeroing |
| 01:18.47 | fenugreek | karlpinc: except possibly for misdirection |
| 01:18.49 | jason404 | syn3rgy: I'm using Chrome, but I cannot make my visitors use a certain browser and extension. I was just wondering if I had to enable TLS onm debian |
| 01:19.13 | fenugreek | jason404: you can, but it'll annoy them =P |
| 01:19.28 | jason404 | fenugreek: why is that?? |
| 01:19.34 | jason404 | oh, I see what you meant |
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| 01:20.11 | jason404 | ok, found the info required |
| 01:20.12 | jason404 | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-enable-ssl-version-3-and-tls-transport-layer-security-version-1-in-apache-hosts.html |
| 01:20.20 | RainbowW | i'm getting errors on drive ata9. is there a way to figure out which drive ata9 actually is? mapping eg to /dev/sdc? |
| 01:20.38 | syn3rgy | jason404 if you want to see what is going on uses the FF plugin Calomel SSL validation. It rocks. Chrome is just a blob =P |
| 01:20.58 | jason404 | syn3rgy: FF sucks |
| 01:21.12 | jason404 | Chrome rulez |
| 01:21.50 | syn3rgy | jason404 your right FF does suck...its called Iceweasel |
| 01:21.53 | jason404 | but I'll check out that plugin, thanks |
| 01:22.50 | syn3rgy | jason404 https://calomel.org/firefox_ssl_validation.html |
| 01:23.00 | jason404 | cheers |
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| 01:23.53 | jason404 | why is there a girl on this webpage? |
| 01:24.02 | jason404 | did she code it? |
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| 01:24.33 | syn3rgy | jason404 that means that guy is a geek and has a zillion years to program =P |
| 01:24.58 | jason404 | ic |
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| 01:25.38 | syn3rgy | jason404 his other stuff is crazy cool https://calomel.org |
| 01:25.44 | fenugreek | all webpages should have girls |
| 01:26.23 | syn3rgy | fenugreek, as long as they are hot! |
| 01:26.32 | jason404 | syn3rgy: thanks |
| 01:26.39 | fenugreek | syn3rgy: =P |
| 01:27.23 | syn3rgy | =) |
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| 01:37.38 | WormFood | how do I make debian not resume from a sleep on my laptop when I open the lid? |
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| 01:38.39 | WormFood | my lid switch isn't so great, and it get triggered, when the display is close...and I'm sick and fuckin' tired of not being able to put Linux to sleep because of that. |
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| 01:41.33 | th0r | I find it interesting that people who think they can master linux have such a low-brow vocabulary |
| 01:41.46 | kbar | what |
| 01:41.56 | max_sharpe | last i checked you dont need a degree in english to install linux |
| 01:42.01 | kbar | l0l0l0l |
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| 01:43.18 | swe3tdave | th0r, well personnaly my natural language is french so dont blame me.. :P |
| 01:43.28 | WormFood | I find it interesting that people judge others based on their choice of vocabulary |
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| 01:43.55 | swe3tdave | think this should go in -offtopic |
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| 01:44.08 | WormFood | just ignore th0r, he is a troll |
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| 01:44.35 | fenugreek | yeah there's also that people-who-don't-speak-English thing =P |
| 01:44.39 | th0r | no, just getting real tired of the obscene language |
| 01:44.47 | syn3rgy | th0r Is is da 01010011011010000110100101110100 |
| 01:45.47 | WormFood | I think it is funny, that someone who is tired of "obscene language" is on the internet in the first place :P |
| 01:45.50 | themill | WormFood: that's purely a hardware question, there's no software control over that feature (except through bios if you're lucky) |
| 01:46.01 | WormFood | themill, then why does windows not act that way? |
| 01:46.04 | themill | WormFood: and yes, you could afford to swear less... |
| 01:46.06 | WormFood | on the same hardware |
| 01:46.11 | syn3rgy | lets talk Debian and not be so judgmental |
| 01:46.16 | swe3tdave | syn3rgy, 01101111011001100110011001110100011011110111000001101001011000110010000100100001 |
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| 01:46.51 | WormFood | so, that tells me it is a software issue, and not a hardware issue (yes, the physical switch is a hardware issue, but it is controlling the software) |
| 01:46.52 | themill | swe3tdave, syn3rgy: take it to a /msg; thanks. |
| 01:47.08 | WormFood | somewhere along the line, Windblows has the ability to do this "properly", but Linux does not? |
| 01:47.20 | themill | WormFood: I've never found a way to control this behaviour on any laptop on any operating system. *shrug* |
| 01:47.40 | WormFood | then how do you explain the fact that windows does not operate this way on the same hardware? |
| 01:47.56 | themill | WormFood: does windows actually put the hardware into the same state? |
| 01:48.10 | Tynach | Hey, dunno exactly where to ask this - I tried in #lvm but it was dead quiet. I accidentally deleted an LVM physical volume partition on one of my hard drives. There is no possibility of data being written to the disk after the deletion - how do I recover the LVM partition? |
| 01:48.35 | WormFood | I'm assuming it is the same state. The laptop goes to sleep, and the "moon icon" is lit up, in both Linux and winblows |
| 01:48.47 | syn3rgy | all the best, got to call it a night. |
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| 01:49.00 | fenugreek | WormFood: so what's the problem? |
| 01:49.26 | WormFood | fenugreek, scroll back and read what my original question was |
| 01:49.44 | fenugreek | I read it, but because of what you just said it makes little sense |
| 01:49.54 | WormFood | what part makes little sense to you? |
| 01:50.29 | WormFood | when I put linux to sleep, it wakes up when I open the lid. I do not want it to act this way, because the lid switch isn't so great, and it thinks I opened the lid when it is in my bag, which is definitely NOT what I want. |
| 01:50.32 | swe3tdave | does not work in my computer... when i try sleep mode everything goes bad.. does the same thing to me dough, if i go to sleep, cant get off my bed for about 24 hours.. not sure whats wrong in both cases... |
| 01:51.02 | max_sharpe | can you disable the sleep mode of the switch |
| 01:51.13 | WormFood | where max_sharpe? |
| 01:51.13 | max_sharpe | is the latch on your laptop working? |
| 01:51.31 | WormFood | yes, it works, but the lid switch get triggered when the lid is closed |
| 01:51.50 | WormFood | so that wakes up Linux, when the laptop is in my bag, which is the last thing I want. |
| 01:52.15 | WormFood | Windows does not act this way. When I put Windows to sleep, I have to tap the power button to wake it up |
| 01:52.19 | max_sharpe | but wouldnt it be putting it to sleep when its closing the case |
| 01:52.28 | WormFood | I want Linux to act the same way |
| 01:52.29 | max_sharpe | thats cause windows settingson that can be adjusted |
| 01:52.38 | max_sharpe | ponders trolling |
| 01:52.43 | max_sharpe | decides to be nice |
| 01:52.52 | WormFood | no, it does not sleep when I close the lid, as I frequently close the lid when it is processing to turn off the display |
| 01:52.52 | fenugreek | okay |
| 01:52.57 | fenugreek | first you should check your BIOS settings |
| 01:53.05 | WormFood | there is no bios setting for this |
| 01:53.07 | fenugreek | and then you should check your DE power management settings |
| 01:53.16 | WormFood | DE power management? |
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| 01:53.22 | fenugreek | desktop environment |
| 01:53.25 | fenugreek | power management |
| 01:54.00 | WormFood | I have looked and looked, and see no place to change this within Linux....and I'm fairly sure there must be some place to change this. It does not appear to be exposed in the settings for gnome |
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| 01:54.38 | fenugreek | okay GNOME |
| 01:54.43 | WormFood | of course I've tried google...but I must not be searching for the right things. |
| 01:54.52 | fenugreek | you'd want gnome-power-manager |
| 01:54.53 | max_sharpe | You must not |
| 01:54.56 | max_sharpe | i have found it already |
| 01:55.02 | WormFood | where max_sharpe? |
| 01:55.09 | max_sharpe | its not really a straight forward answer |
| 01:55.24 | max_sharpe | debian.org/suspend |
| 01:55.25 | fenugreek | would be if you knew the gconf value |
| 01:55.27 | max_sharpe | Start there |
| 01:55.29 | fenugreek | sort of |
| 01:55.39 | max_sharpe | you gotta read some stuff |
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| 01:56.10 | WormFood | start off on a page that says it is not there? |
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| 01:57.13 | WormFood | so if you found some setting for this, please tell me where it is, because I've looked all over the place, and found nothing (maybe it is part of a package I don't have installed) |
| 01:57.21 | max_sharpe | http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 01:57.25 | max_sharpe | thats the full link |
| 01:57.31 | max_sharpe | you have to read it |
| 01:57.39 | ghoti | Question about `curl`. Anyone know if the --socks5 option is supported in versions later than Lenny? I'm getting an error code 1 when I try to use that option, which the man page says means "unsupported protocol". Don't know if this is a Lenny version issue or a curl issue. |
| 01:57.40 | max_sharpe | its not just type any single command in the line |
| 01:57.53 | max_sharpe | and my current debian box is being reinstalled due to a dead hard drive |
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| 01:58.46 | WormFood | the "full link"? I think you mean the "correct link", as what you gave me before was simply incorrect :P |
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| 01:59.22 | yoshio | ghoti, it's supported in squeeze curl 7.21.0-2 |
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| 01:59.51 | yoshio | ghoti: I mean it's in the man page |
| 02:00.24 | WormFood | max_sharpe, do you know what I'm trying to do? That page talks about going into sleep mode. It does not talk about coming out of sleep mode. |
| 02:00.30 | swe3tdave | max_sharpe, not sure what your looking for, didnt read it throught, but if your looking for a good backup option, get backuppc and a small vps server(lowendbox.com) |
| 02:00.44 | WormFood | I DO NOT want my computer to come out of sleep mode when I open the display. |
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| 02:01.02 | ghoti | yoshio, it's in the man page in Lenny too, which has curl 7.18. And it's in the man page in FreeBSD 8.1, which includes curl 7.21.3, but in both of those, I still get the error. |
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| 02:01.13 | WormFood | max_sharpe, now maybe I'm overlooking something on that page, so please point it out to me where that page covers my issue. |
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| 02:02.05 | ghoti | yoshio: would you happen to have a squeeze box handy, where you could try any proxy and see if you get an error=1? `curl --socks5 10.1.2.3 http://google.com/` then check your $? ? |
| 02:03.54 | ghoti | yoshio: nm, that probably won't work; I'm getting "could not connect to host" when I try IPs that don't answer.. |
| 02:04.12 | ghoti | Oh, wait... Perhaps error=1 refers to the REMOTE end's socks5 capability? |
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| 02:04.19 | max_sharpe | WormFood your issue is that your button doenst work and your trying or im assuming you want to disable suspend mode |
| 02:04.20 | ghoti | will check in #curl |
| 02:04.41 | max_sharpe | this way you would manually suspend and start your pc. |
| 02:04.51 | yoshio | ghoti: curl --socks5 localhost:9050 http://www.planetary.org/blog/ gives me html, and the return code is zero (port 9050 is tor) |
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| 02:05.00 | WormFood | max_sharpe, no, I don't want to disable suspend mode, I want it to not resume from suspend when I open my lid. |
| 02:05.30 | max_sharpe | swe3tdave just trying to reinstall my box the hd died this is a new one its just taking a while not sure if the laptop is old or having problems but i know my cd image my be bit funky . |
| 02:05.33 | WormFood | I want suspend-to-ram to work....I just want it to not resume until I do something intentional to resume it. Opening the lid is NOT a valid reason to resume from a suspend-to-ram |
| 02:05.35 | SkilZ | How can I set the default window size of urxvt? |
| 02:06.16 | tensorpudding | urxvt uses the same .xdefaults configuration as rxvt iirc |
| 02:06.20 | tensorpudding | except with more options |
| 02:06.33 | WormFood | the developers do not know how I want to use my laptop, and they make stupid assumptions....just because I open the lid, does not mean I intend to resume it. |
| 02:06.46 | max_sharpe | trolls |
| 02:06.57 | max_sharpe | so windows had it right and debian has it wrong? |
| 02:07.09 | max_sharpe | knows this is easy option to adjust in windows |
| 02:07.17 | WormFood | yeah, in this instance, windows does it right, and apple/debian does it wrong |
| 02:07.21 | yoshio | SkilZ, you mean like 'xeyes -geometry 300x300' ("man X") |
| 02:07.38 | WormFood | actually, I'm not sure how to adjust this in windows...but I don't care, because I rarely use windows, and it operates in a sane manner |
| 02:07.42 | SkilZ | yoshio: For my terminal |
| 02:07.48 | swe3tdave | max_sharpe, i sympatise, though luck.. /me got two harddrive and the important stuff is on the net.. |
| 02:08.17 | WormFood | Apple acts the same way, and resume from a suspend when you open the lid. |
| 02:09.07 | karlpinc | WormFood: I've no clue if this will help but I noted something on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#Suspend_to_RAM regarding configuring acp (?) and lid closure. |
| 02:09.13 | WormFood | I suppose it is possible that it is one of my thinkpad specific programs I installed under Windows helps it to act this way, but I rather doubt it. |
| 02:09.33 | WormFood | thanks karlpinc, I'll check it out. |
| 02:09.51 | max_sharpe | swe3tdave i didnt have anything on it ,and ive gotten to the point where anything of any use or specifc need to be kept is kept on my external drive |
| 02:10.11 | dabreegster | My testing box was offline for a few months, so I was trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. aptitude had lots of problems getting libc6 upgraded. While some perl packages were being postprocessed, some script was caught in a loop spamming errors, so I killed it, resulting in the packages being broken. Now apt-get install -f tells me it can't correct dependencies, and I can't do anything. Advice? |
| 02:10.14 | WormFood | no karlpinc, unfortunately that is for lid closure, not opening :( |
| 02:10.51 | karlpinc | WormFood: I don't suppose there's other docs/readmes on that config file that would help? |
| 02:11.06 | swe3tdave | oh, i was gonna say lucky guy, but after reading further its more like smart guy i'm effraid.. but personnaly, i never trust any harddrive with my stuff |
| 02:11.12 | swe3tdave | max_sharpe, |
| 02:11.13 | WormFood | I have looked and searched for anything I can think of...and found nothing. |
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| 02:11.56 | karlpinc | dabreegster: Have you done an "apt-get update" lately? |
| 02:12.21 | dabreegster | karlpinc: yeah; I made sure sources.list had s%/squeeze/wheezy/, and I updated first. |
| 02:12.31 | karlpinc | dabreegster: (It's the only thing I can think of. I don't use testing because it does break.) |
| 02:12.41 | WormFood | I guess I'll try again later. Thanks for the help/input guys. |
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| 02:13.37 | dabreegster | karlpinc: Is there some way of resetting the dpkg db? |
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| 02:25.25 | chipotle | i have an encrypted hard disk with a partition that is encrypted... how can i access it? |
| 02:25.28 | chipotle | what do i need to do? |
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| 02:25.40 | swe3tdave | WormFood, i'm not sure about debian, but in ubuntu, you could modify /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 02:26.53 | swe3tdave | WormFood, not sure that would do it though, never tried it.. :P |
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| 02:28.13 | chipotle | is it possible to do it? when i try to mount it, will it just ask for the passwd? |
| 02:28.21 | kbar | CHIPOTLE |
| 02:28.22 | kbar | YEAHYEAH |
| 02:28.27 | kbar | love dat shit |
| 02:28.35 | chipotle | i love you too |
| 02:28.38 | kbar | haha |
| 02:28.42 | kbar | chipotle: how is it encrypted |
| 02:29.07 | chipotle | kbar: full diosk encryption |
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| 02:29.30 | kbar | no shit |
| 02:29.32 | kbar | but what kind |
| 02:29.32 | unkmar | I rolled back to lenny. |
| 02:29.41 | kbar | like |
| 02:29.47 | kbar | what kind |
| 02:30.01 | WormFood | swe3tdave, do you have some reference to that, that I can check out? |
| 02:30.02 | chipotle | kbar: i don't remember the details. i setup the system a long time ago but during the upgrade to 6, i screwed it up and it won't boot, so i want to reinstall fresh |
| 02:30.14 | kbar | hmm |
| 02:30.15 | chipotle | kbar: i don't know, i think it starts with an "L", the type of method i used |
| 02:30.18 | swe3tdave | WormFood, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1076486.html |
| 02:30.21 | chipotle | lvm |
| 02:30.33 | WormFood | thanks swe3tdave |
| 02:30.45 | kbar | yeah |
| 02:30.45 | swe3tdave | no problem i hope this help |
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| 02:31.26 | WormFood | thanks, me too. I will check it out in more detail when I return |
| 02:31.27 | chipotle | kbar: is it possible? or did i just lose all my data? |
| 02:31.45 | unkmar | Why would I use lvm? just curious. |
| 02:31.46 | chipotle | i mean, why can't i just see the hard drive if i mount it in an external hard drive enclosure? |
| 02:32.01 | kbar | is it luks? |
| 02:32.06 | kbar | or something else |
| 02:32.26 | chipotle | kbar: i'm pretty sure so |
| 02:32.52 | chipotle | yes, it looks familiar |
| 02:33.08 | kbar | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/579 |
| 02:33.13 | kbar | it might not be what you're lookign for |
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| 02:33.42 | Connor1 | Question, wicd-curses lists no wireless networks, and wicd is indeed running. Any ideas? |
| 02:34.05 | chipotle | ugh, looks complicated |
| 02:34.11 | kbar | Connor1: did you put up ifconfig |
| 02:34.17 | kbar | or rather |
| 02:34.21 | kbar | did u put up your wireless interface |
| 02:34.30 | unkmar | is your card supported? |
| 02:34.31 | Connor1 | kbar, I did dhcpcd wlan0 |
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| 02:34.41 | Connor1 | unkmar, it works if I start X and run nm-applet, but I don't use X often on my netbook. |
| 02:34.54 | kbar | hmm |
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| 02:36.34 | unkmar | Connor1: What does "iwconfig" return? |
| 02:36.58 | Connor1 | lo no eth0 wlan0 stuff |
| 02:37.11 | Connor1 | It gives me an output for wlan0 |
| 02:37.43 | kbar | pastebin it |
| 02:37.43 | unkmar | Does it list a SSID? |
| 02:37.51 | Connor1 | unkmar, ESSID:off/any |
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| 02:39.14 | Se4 | Hello All, I have been trying to debug a kernel panic with a new debian install. I have finally gotten the entire panic message by setting up the serial port as the system console and logging it via my laptop it is here: http://pastebin.com/3ykfnCWG |
| 02:39.15 | unkmar | iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 02:39.23 | Connor1 | unkmar, wicd-curses just plain won't work |
| 02:39.34 | Se4 | Is this the right place for help with such an issue? |
| 02:39.44 | Connor1 | unkmar, I got a huge amount of outputs from that |
| 02:39.50 | unkmar | Connor1: I don't use wicd. I rolled my own script. :/ |
| 02:39.58 | Connor1 | With and without X running |
| 02:40.07 | Connor1 | unkmar, I just need an easy way to connect to wireless via a CLI. |
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| 02:40.44 | unkmar | Connor1: and that is why I rolled my own script. The nicer version used perl, but I had lots of problems with it. |
| 02:40.53 | Connor1 | unkmar, mind sharing it? |
| 02:41.09 | unkmar | I'll drop it on my server. |
| 02:41.19 | Connor1 | Does it show available networks? |
| 02:41.30 | unkmar | yes |
| 02:42.03 | Dewi | Se4: ouch |
| 02:42.14 | Connor1 | unkmar, sounds good, let me know when I can grab it |
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| 02:42.33 | Dewi | Se4: any idea what device is causing it? |
| 02:42.43 | unkmar | http://pastebin.com/xeyidS71 - wireless.sh |
| 02:42.56 | unkmar | Connor1: You might need to tweak it slightly for you use. |
| 02:42.58 | Se4 | Dewi: I was kinda hoping someone could help me with that |
| 02:43.26 | Se4 | Dewi: This is the first time I have gotten a panic on a box before, not sure what to do with it. |
| 02:43.32 | Connor1 | unkmar, why? |
| 02:44.03 | unkmar | Connor1: I can't think of a reason, I just know I tend to tweak if to wlan1 or simple things like that. |
| 02:44.03 | Dewi | Se4: well, unless you can boot far enough to identify /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:01:04.0 , it's probably easier to remove devices until you can boot and isolate it that way |
| 02:44.22 | Dewi | Se4: depends whether you have physical access etc, of course |
| 02:44.47 | unkmar | Like the pinger part isn't needed. and I would generally prefer it to ping google.com |
| 02:44.48 | Dewi | Se4: so this is a previously working system? |
| 02:45.11 | Se4 | Dewi: Sometimes it runs for hours before it panics. I do have physical access |
| 02:45.22 | unkmar | Connor1: and it relies on sudo, Or you to run it as root. |
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| 02:45.46 | Se4 | Dewi: how would I figure out which device /sys/device/pci000:00... is? |
| 02:46.33 | Connor1 | unkmar, I have no idea how this script works |
| 02:46.55 | Connor1 | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down. |
| 02:46.57 | th0r | Se4: lspci? |
| 02:46.58 | Connor1 | Hmm |
| 02:48.06 | unkmar | Connor1: that tells me the card is unsupported? |
| 02:48.16 | Connor1 | Works with nm-applet lol |
| 02:48.21 | Connor1 | And works with every other distribution I've used |
| 02:48.30 | Dewi | Se4: what th0r said. lspci should say what "00:1e" is |
| 02:48.35 | Se4 | thor: never took note of the numbers on the left before... http://pastebin.com/PFQL8syp |
| 02:48.50 | Se4 | Dewi: looks like PCI Bridge? |
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| 02:48.55 | Connor1 | Dunno unkmar |
| 02:49.43 | wols | Connor1: which wlan chip is it? |
| 02:49.49 | Dewi | Se4: hmm, bridge to what. I'm not sure what that means |
| 02:50.00 | unkmar | Connor1: I'd run the script now on my system... but my card is downstairs and I don't have the firmware installed yet to support the card. Since I just reinstalled this morning. |
| 02:50.26 | Se4 | Dewi: I'm just going off of this http://pastebin.com/PFQL8syp |
| 02:50.49 | Connor1 | wols, Atheros AR8132 |
| 02:50.51 | Connor1 | Er |
| 02:50.53 | Connor1 | AR9285 |
| 02:50.58 | Connor1 | The 8 was for ethernet |
| 02:51.08 | wols | Connor1: you want a backports kernel |
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| 02:51.10 | chipotle | how do i find out what the mount point is for an external hdd i plugged in via usb? |
| 02:51.17 | Connor1 | wols, I don't know what that is. |
| 02:51.21 | Connor1 | chipnt, fdisk -l |
| 02:51.23 | Connor1 | chipotle, |
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| 02:51.26 | wols | !tell Connor1 about backports |
| 02:51.35 | chipotle | Connor1: what do i look for when i type fdisk -l |
| 02:51.37 | chipnt | lol |
| 02:51.46 | Connor1 | chipotle, a size in GBs the same size as your hard drive |
| 02:51.49 | wols | chipnt: "mount" if it's already mounted |
| 02:51.56 | aristarchus | anyone know how to get flashplugin-nonfree to install on debian? |
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| 02:52.02 | chipnt | why me |
| 02:52.03 | chipnt | both of u |
| 02:52.06 | wols | !tell aristarchus about adobe flash |
| 02:52.09 | zykotick9 | aristarchus, add the contrib repo |
| 02:52.10 | chipnt | i dont mount anything :) |
| 02:52.21 | wols | chipnt: bad tab completion |
| 02:52.28 | chipnt | yeah i know how it is :) |
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| 02:52.42 | Dewi | Se4: yeah I know. And I don't know that it means I'm afraid, but I'd be starting to suspect a motherboard failure. Still could be some other device though, malfuncioning badly enough to destabilize the whole PCI bus? |
| 02:53.34 | aristarchus | zykotick9: where do i add repo links? |
| 02:54.03 | zykotick9 | aristarchus, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:54.05 | wols | Se4: it's your ethernet controller, not the PCI bridge./sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:01:04.0/firmware/0000:01:04.0/loading you notice the 0000:01:04.4 at the end |
| 02:54.07 | Dewi | Se4: ultimately it's hard to be sure without swapping things around until the fault stops happening |
| 02:54.08 | chipotle | Connor1: what am i look for as the mount point? dev/sdX ? |
| 02:54.19 | Connor1 | Yes |
| 02:54.26 | Connor1 | Oh right, I forgot Debian is a bit, erm, dated. |
| 02:54.32 | aristarchus | zykotick9: thanks |
| 02:54.43 | Dewi | wols: shit, sorry. thanks for spotting that. |
| 02:54.46 | Connor1 | I'm on testing though |
| 02:54.50 | Connor1 | Wheezy |
| 02:54.53 | wols | chipotle: no. that's a device name, not a mount point. and you want sdXY where X is a letter, Y is a number. you normally don't mount a disk but a partition |
| 02:55.07 | Connor1 | I don't know |
| 02:55.09 | unkmar | I'm trying to remember where firmware belongs. |
| 02:55.19 | wols | unkmar: /lib/firmware/ |
| 02:55.19 | Connor1 | I'm healing Zul'Aman while talking on IRC while fixing my wireless |
| 02:55.25 | chipotle | wols: oh. so how do i mount the partition? |
| 02:55.27 | unkmar | thank you. |
| 02:55.27 | Connor1 | I don't know what the question was |
| 02:55.35 | Connor1 | chipotle, what filesystem is it |
| 02:55.42 | wols | chipotle: depends. if you use gnome, it can automount for example |
| 02:55.47 | chipotle | Connor1: not sure, it's a brand new drive |
| 02:55.54 | chipotle | wols: i'm in command line, no gui right now |
| 02:56.00 | Connor1 | If it's ntfs, mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 , for example |
| 02:56.03 | wols | chipotle: then you use "mount" |
| 02:56.07 | Se4 | wols: Oh wow thanks. I'll try without the ethernet card. |
| 02:56.28 | wols | Se4: your kernel panic happens when it tries to load firmware it seems |
| 02:56.30 | Dewi | Se4: sorry I didn't match those up correctly |
| 02:56.38 | chipotle | wols: no options other than 'mount'? |
| 02:56.53 | Se4 | Dewi: no worries neither did I. |
| 02:57.14 | unkmar | Connor1: I got my drivers moved over. time to get my crad. brb. |
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| 02:57.21 | Se4 | wols: that makes sense during install it asked me to install non-free firmware for that card, probably better without it. |
| 02:57.51 | wols | Se4: that card doesn't work at all without firmware. it's needed for the hardware. but it's broadcom. they suck by default :) |
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| 02:58.48 | McAfreak | ok, which architecture would I use for an AMD Athlon dual core QL-60 processor? It's in the k8 family, but is that the architecture I should use for apt-build, or is there a better (more specific) one? |
| 02:59.18 | Se4 | wols: thanks, I'll try this netgear I have lying around |
| 03:00.27 | epsilon | McAfreak: can it handle 64bit? |
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| 03:00.33 | Connor1 | Can I install a backports kernel if I'm on wheezy? |
| 03:00.36 | Connor1 | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:00.40 | Connor1 | Using these instructions? |
| 03:01.02 | McAfreak | epsilon: hm... not sure |
| 03:01.43 | epsilon | assumed yes (otherwise installer gonna complain) and you have >4gig ram -> amd64 |
| 03:02.01 | McAfreak | k |
| 03:02.10 | McAfreak | i have less than 4gig ram |
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| 03:03.08 | McAfreak | why did my other computer *have* to get a HDD failure today of all days? it was way better in terms of specs |
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| 03:03.15 | wols | epsilon: it's a k8... |
| 03:03.16 | derric | I installed the latest flashplayer plugin package and now I have no sound for steaming flash content. |
| 03:04.14 | wols | Connor1: you can install it but it's pointless. wheezy has a newer kernel than backports. people who run testing are assumed to know about debian so you shouldn't need to ask |
| 03:04.27 | McAfreak | wols: so i would choose k8? |
| 03:04.29 | Connor1 | So what do I do now? |
| 03:04.49 | derric | That's what I want to know... |
| 03:04.51 | wols | Connor1: you learn how to use linux or debian. I suggest you use stable but that's just me |
| 03:05.01 | Connor1 | I've been using Linux on and off for the past few years |
| 03:05.04 | Connor1 | Just not Debian really lol |
| 03:05.11 | wols | McAfreak: why do you compile software again? |
| 03:05.12 | Connor1 | I came from Slackware, actually. |
| 03:05.22 | McAfreak | wols: optimization, mostly |
| 03:05.37 | wols | Connor1: then you should know how to connect to a wlan without crutches like wicd and nm-applet... |
| 03:05.45 | wols | McAfreak: that's BS |
| 03:06.00 | Connor1 | That's one thing I've never actually learned wols , how to use iwconfig and whatnot to connect to a wireless network |
| 03:06.08 | mosno | Connor1, see the debian wiki |
| 03:06.10 | epsilon | McAfreak: you can use i686 or amd64. If unsure, just go with amd64 |
| 03:06.25 | wols | epsilon: he cannot do that. and it's not what he asked |
| 03:06.40 | McAfreak | connorl: ok, i just did this today. |
| 03:06.44 | wols | epsilon: he already runs debian, so he already made the choice of 32 or 64. nothing he can change now |
| 03:06.47 | McAfreak | connorl: make sure your device is managed |
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| 03:07.39 | McAfreak | connorl: make sure /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf says "managed=true" (without quotations) |
| 03:07.46 | McAfreak | assuming you use that |
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| 03:08.08 | McAfreak | by default, it's false |
| 03:08.39 | unkmar | Connor1: still there? |
| 03:08.39 | McAfreak | eh |
| 03:08.43 | wols | Connor1: which kernel do you run? |
| 03:08.54 | Connor1 | unkmar, yes |
| 03:08.58 | Connor1 | wols, hold on |
| 03:09.14 | Connor1 | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 03:09.17 | McAfreak | i'll just can apt-build |
| 03:09.19 | wols | that is not testing |
| 03:09.29 | McAfreak | wols: mm? |
| 03:09.32 | wols | Connor1: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:09.47 | unkmar | My script makes use of iwconfig, iwlist, and wpa-supplicant. |
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| 03:09.58 | Connor1 | ii libc6 2.13-16 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:10.12 | wols | Connor1: you haven't upgraded to testing properly |
| 03:10.18 | Connor1 | How would I go about doing that? |
| 03:10.31 | Connor1 | I edited my repositories already and did apt-get update/upgrade etc. |
| 03:10.45 | wols | Connor1: upgrade your kernel |
| 03:11.15 | unkmar | Connor1: and you reboot after kernel upgrades. |
| 03:11.38 | leefan | after some use, my laptop seems to start glitching graphically - like, font colors change when they shouldn't and button hover animations and ui colors get really weird. is there anyway to fix this? |
| 03:12.00 | Connor1 | Can the kernel be found in apt-get? |
| 03:12.20 | nevyn | Connor1: linux-image-* |
| 03:12.21 | wols | leefan: check if it's not overheating? |
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| 03:12.28 | leefan | its not overheating |
| 03:12.35 | leefan | it doesnt seem to be a hardware issue |
| 03:12.36 | wols | leefan: which video chip? |
| 03:12.44 | leefan | intel |
| 03:12.55 | leefan | like, some programs that i start up will be fine |
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| 03:12.59 | wols | intel makes about 5 dozen different ones. which? |
| 03:13.05 | leefan | errr |
| 03:13.11 | leefan | lemme check |
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| 03:13.20 | aristarchus | flash works! thanks! |
| 03:13.22 | Connor1 | nevyn, installing |
| 03:14.04 | leefan | intel graphics media accelerator 950 |
| 03:14.21 | nevyn | that's not paulson is it? |
| 03:16.26 | leefan | afflicted programs seem to fix themselves when i restart, but its quite inconveniencing to have to restart everything that starts to bug up like that |
| 03:16.30 | wols | leefan: that one is ancient and should work without any driver troubles in debian |
| 03:16.44 | wols | leefan: you can try (if you want) a backported xorg, it's now in backports |
| 03:16.51 | leefan | hmmm |
| 03:16.53 | mosno | nevyn, you mean Poulsbo? |
| 03:16.56 | leefan | would it be an xorg problem? |
| 03:17.03 | leefan | like i don't even know whats causing it |
| 03:17.05 | nevyn | mosno: yeah that thing. |
| 03:17.24 | wols | leefan: you said it's not hardware. if we believe you it can only be software, and that means xorg |
| 03:17.28 | Connor1 | I love how gigantic the linux kernel is lol |
| 03:17.30 | leefan | alright |
| 03:17.33 | leefan | i'll give that a try |
| 03:17.40 | wols | nevyn: that'sd be gma500 |
| 03:18.13 | leefan | should i just move to wheezy or is there a way just to get the xorg package? |
| 03:18.38 | nevyn | wols: yeah.. |
| 03:18.43 | nevyn | wols: my bad. |
| 03:18.58 | wols | leefan: I told you, backports has newer xorg |
| 03:19.05 | wols | ,versions xorg |
| 03:19.06 | judd | Package xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+8; wheezy: 1:7.6+8 |
| 03:19.38 | leefan | oh how would i go about getting that? |
| 03:19.50 | wols | !tell leefan about backports |
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| 03:20.25 | leefan | thanks~ |
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| 03:25.44 | unkmar | Connor1: ever get your wifi working? |
| 03:25.45 | allgood | hi folks |
| 03:26.32 | Connor1 | Rebooting after installing a new kernel unkmar |
| 03:26.41 | Connor1 | Also, the wifi works, just not as I'd like it to |
| 03:27.18 | unkmar | I understand that. Mine isn't working Like I had it before. That will take some time. At least I have a stop-gap until then. |
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| 03:28.23 | Connor1 | unkmar, wicd-curses still isn't working properly |
| 03:29.38 | wols | Connor1: "doesn't work" isn't something we can help with |
| 03:30.05 | unkmar | Connor1: properly? did it ever? Is your problem with wpa/wpa2? |
| 03:30.16 | Connor1 | unkmar you're not getting it... |
| 03:30.22 | Connor1 | My wifi works just fine, but only when I have nm-applet working |
| 03:30.23 | wols | Connor1: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK under 3. use that and then run "ifup wlan0" |
| 03:30.28 | wols | provided you use wpa/wpa2 |
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| 03:30.38 | Connor1 | I do |
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| 03:31.08 | unkmar | wicd doesn't play nice with wpa/wpa2 without help. |
| 03:31.19 | wols | unkmar: it did for me, last I checked |
| 03:31.21 | Connor1 | Well, it doesn't show ANY networks at all |
| 03:31.28 | Connor1 | Also, yes, it works just fine with WPA. |
| 03:33.01 | unkmar | I have my wifi back to normal. |
| 03:33.32 | Connor1 | wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start wols |
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| 03:34.43 | wols | kinda hard to debug this error message... anything else you can find why it failed? |
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| 03:36.12 | Connor1 | wols, run-pats: /etc/network/if-pre-up.id/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1 |
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| 03:37.41 | unkmar | Good luck with your wifi, I'm going to sleep. |
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| 03:38.41 | wols | Connor1: doesn't tell us anything either :( maybe run wpasupplicant normally, see if that errors |
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| 03:50.42 | SkilZ | How do I change my curser theme? |
| 03:50.46 | SkilZ | I forgot the command |
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| 04:03.34 | tp43 | Anyone know of an easy how to make your computer's wireless card into a wireless router or hub? |
| 04:03.52 | sedulous | tp43: it needs to support master mode for that. not all cards do |
| 04:03.54 | max_sharpe | a wireless card? |
| 04:03.56 | max_sharpe | no |
| 04:04.16 | sedulous | if it does, look at hostapd |
| 04:04.18 | tp43 | sedulous, how do you determine if you have support for master mode? |
| 04:04.48 | sedulous | iwconfig $iface mode master |
| 04:05.04 | sedulous | tp43: if you get an error, it doesn't support master mode |
| 04:05.35 | sedulous | AFAIK not many common adapters do |
| 04:07.35 | nevyn | I'm not aware of any b/g or n adapters that do. there were a couple of b adapters that did (orinoco and compaq particularly) |
| 04:09.05 | sedulous | the zd1211rw drivers seem to support master mode. that chipset it used in numerous USB adapters |
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| 04:12.13 | Rusty1 | sedulous: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections dunno |
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| 04:13.54 | derric | I installed the latest flashplayer plugin and now I have no sound from the flashplayer. |
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| 04:17.15 | gnarface | hey does anyone happen to know which sata module i load for a nvidia 780a motherboard ? |
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| 04:22.57 | gnarface | also, anyone know how common hotplug support is on sata motherboards? |
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| 04:25.23 | sedulous | nevyn: http://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-80211n-usb-wireless-network-adapter -- open source firmware, 802.11n, master mode |
| 04:25.30 | sedulous | USB |
| 04:25.35 | nevyn | sedulous: nice! |
| 04:25.43 | sedulous | yes i want one, lol |
| 04:26.18 | sedulous | however it lacks 5 ghz support |
| 04:27.53 | sedulous | i wouldn't buy a new wifi card without the 5 ghz band |
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| 04:43.12 | laidback_01 | wonder when the new 5Ghz cpus will come out.. |
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| 04:45.55 | yoshio | derric, try 'sudo alsa force-reload' |
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| 04:46.27 | yoshio | derric, and refresh the webpage. |
| 04:47.58 | derric | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:02.55 | nevyn | yoshio: I've had to re-start firefox before :( |
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| 05:07.19 | yoshio | nevyn: with FF5.0 (or maybe even 4.0), there is some sort of sandbox, so that if flash crashes, it doesn't take out the browser. mozilla.debian.net shows you how to get a newer iceweasel into squeeze. |
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| 05:13.26 | Vbitz | hello again debian |
| 05:14.14 | Vbitz | i am considering rebuilding my hp pavilion dv6 as a debain\windows 7 computer, are there any major hardware incompatibilitys |
| 05:14.23 | yoshio | nevyn, http://glandium.org/blog/?p=992 is about the flash plugin being sandboxed |
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| 05:15.58 | tonytraductor | I plugged in my external usb hdd to do a back up, and after barely getting started (rsync -rvua /home/me /media/usbhdd), it suddenly gave I/O errors. I killed the rsync, removed, and reconnected the drive, and now can't mount it. |
| 05:16.19 | tonytraductor | I'm getting some weird error about NTFS and doing some raid thingy on windows, but there are no windows machines here, so I'm quite confused. |
| 05:16.34 | tonytraductor | I pastebinned the error here: http://pastebin.com/hu51tBWj |
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| 05:17.47 | civillian | tonytraductor: dmesg? |
| 05:18.21 | tonytraductor | hold on, pastebinning tail dmesg |
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| 05:18.55 | tonytraductor | here is output from dmesg | tail: http://pastebin.com/ydYTgGzB |
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| 05:20.00 | civillian | tonytraductor: compare that output with the first time you connected the drive |
| 05:20.43 | civillian | tonytraductor: also sudo fdisk -l |
| 05:21.04 | civillian | tonytraductor: you will probably find the disk has been formatted with NTFS which explains the windows messages |
| 05:21.28 | tonytraductor | but I never formatted it ntfs. |
| 05:21.51 | tonytraductor | unless it came that way from the factory. but I've had it for about 8 months, and never had a problem doing a monthly back up until now. |
| 05:22.00 | tonytraductor | I'm looking at more of dmesg |
| 05:22.11 | civillian | note that either NTFS is inconsistent, OR there is a hardware fault, OR it's a SoftRAID/FakeRAID hardware. |
| 05:22.18 | civillian | not both or all 3 |
| 05:22.37 | civillian | tonytraductor: if you didn't do anything to it, then yes it will be NTFS most likely |
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| 05:24.32 | tonytraductor | okay, this is a lot more of dmesg, from the first time I plugged in this device today (plus several attempts to remove and remount it). http://pastebin.com/RqYSdYkR |
| 05:25.07 | tonytraductor | fdisk -l does show this: /dev/sdc1 1 182402 1465135104 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 05:26.31 | tonytraductor | the weird thing is, the rsync back up started fine, but suddenly started giving i/o errors. |
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| 05:29.13 | tonytraductor | ok, say I want to reformat the drive, now, then, and redo my back up. |
| 05:29.24 | tonytraductor | do I use parted or something to format it? |
| 05:29.44 | tonytraductor | I don't see any use in keepting it ntfs, anyway, since I only use debian around here. |
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| 05:33.20 | tonytraductor | I tried to fsck it, but apparently lack fsck.ntfs, but can't find that (aptitude search fsck.ntfs shows nothing) |
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| 05:33.45 | SkilZ | where is abrotman? |
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| 05:35.28 | tonytraductor | I'm aptitude installing gparted. I'm going to reformat it ext3, do a complete back up. |
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| 05:35.57 | tharkun | SkilZ: probably having a life, do you need anything in particular? |
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| 05:37.16 | tonytraductor | I just realized, reformatting a 1.5TB drive is going to take a while... |
| 05:37.29 | SkilZ | I just wanted to ask him something |
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| 05:47.36 | ethanol | will the bugs in libgnutls be fixed on testing? |
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| 05:49.46 | Vbitz | netsplit? |
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| 05:57.38 | george | what's a good tool for watching and notifying changes that occur on a website? |
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| 05:58.35 | peterrooney | george: I don't know what's a -good- tool, but I've used wget, lynx -dump, and diff to good effect in the past |
| 05:58.47 | mosno | george, you probably want some sort of spider |
| 05:59.24 | george | peterrooney, how would these work in notifying me of changes? |
| 05:59.38 | george | mosno, yeah, but any idea what program? |
| 06:00.01 | mosno | george, no |
| 06:00.04 | nkuttler | george: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:00.24 | george | nkuttler, I want to be notified if a webpage online changes |
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| 06:00.59 | nkuttler | george: there are various websites that will generate rss feeds for sites that don't have one |
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| 06:01.52 | nkuttler | personally, i'd write a small script. plenty of html parsing libs around |
| 06:02.14 | RainbowW | i'm getting errors on drive ata9. is there a way to figure out which drive ata9 actually is? mapping eg to /dev/sdc? http://pastebin.com/mz7bzemA |
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| 06:03.36 | nkuttler | !tell civillian about apt-spy |
| 06:03.39 | george | nkuttler, seems like there's a firefox extension, thanks anyway :) |
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| 06:24.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !sunday |
| 06:24.45 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 06:25.36 | civillian | !friday |
| 06:25.37 | dpkg | i guess friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 06:25.55 | civillian | no Rebecca Black quote?? |
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| 06:29.25 | pablolibo1 | helo |
| 06:29.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !windows |
| 06:29.34 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:54.24 | aill | how to give root user a real email address? (using sendmail MTA) |
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| 06:58.19 | laidback_01 | use an alias |
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| 06:58.27 | aill | ... |
| 06:58.37 | aill | inside /etc/aliases there is NO mention of domain.com or any domain |
| 06:58.45 | aill | could you give me an example? |
| 06:58.56 | aill | Google has been utterly useless in this topic for some reason |
| 06:59.04 | nkuttler | how is root@host not a real email address? |
| 06:59.30 | aill | ok whatever, im a noob, could you give me a one liner example? |
| 06:59.49 | nkuttler | aill: maybe if you told us what you want |
| 07:00.01 | aill | i want to setup myemail@mydomain.com |
| 07:00.02 | laidback_01 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sendmail+root+email+alias the second hit is good. |
| 07:00.14 | aill | and ultimately pipe it to a php file... |
| 07:00.14 | nkuttler | aill: why did you install sendmail? |
| 07:00.19 | laidback_01 | why do you want root to do this? |
| 07:00.21 | aill | it came installed.... |
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| 07:00.24 | nkuttler | indeed, why root |
| 07:00.30 | nkuttler | aill: doesn't sound like debian |
| 07:00.33 | aill | i have no reason for root to do it, its just a user account that exists |
| 07:00.38 | ethanol | aill, usually root is aliases to the main user you made during install |
| 07:00.40 | nkuttler | omg |
| 07:00.50 | ethanol | then for that user, just put the email addy you want inside .forward in his personal folder |
| 07:00.50 | ethanol | done |
| 07:00.51 | laidback_01 | use postfix or qmail, lor at least exim |
| 07:01.15 | ethanol | aliased* |
| 07:01.32 | laidback_01 | ... I don't care for exim, but it's suitable. |
| 07:01.32 | nkuttler | and create yourself a normal user account |
| 07:01.50 | ethanol | nkuttler, most installs take care of that, so he should have one already |
| 07:02.07 | ethanol | aill, if you check your aliases file you should have a normal user in there, to which root is aliased |
| 07:02.09 | nkuttler | ethanol: it's not clear at all what he has |
| 07:02.25 | ethanol | aill, in that user home directory, put a .forward file containing the email address of your choice |
| 07:02.29 | aill | I have a bunch of crap: root lines, thats it |
| 07:02.36 | ethanol | aill, learn to read it |
| 07:02.45 | ethanol | it's not hard, it doesn't require an IQ above 10 |
| 07:02.52 | aill | read what... |
| 07:02.56 | ethanol | the content |
| 07:02.59 | ethanol | what it does |
| 07:02.59 | aill | theres nothing in that file, i have no .forward file |
| 07:03.00 | nkuttler | !tell aill about grounding |
| 07:03.01 | themill | aill: precisely which version of debian is this? The output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg exim4\*" in a pastebin might be handy. |
| 07:03.15 | ethanol | aill, are you not listening at all? or are you just trolling? |
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| 07:03.46 | aill | "put an email addy you want inside .forward" really that simple? |
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| 07:03.51 | ethanol | yes |
| 07:04.16 | aill | anything else i should do? |
| 07:04.16 | ethanol | though you are omitting the fact that .forward file has to be in the home directory of the user to which root is aliased |
| 07:04.23 | aill | yeah its in there |
| 07:04.28 | ethanol | then you're done |
| 07:04.32 | ethanol | echo test | mail root |
| 07:04.42 | ethanol | then check your /var/log/mail.log |
| 07:04.45 | aill | . /root/.forward |
| 07:04.48 | ethanol | no |
| 07:04.49 | ethanol | damnit |
| 07:05.04 | themill | aill: how about you start at the beginning by asking about what you *really* want. |
| 07:05.14 | aill | ... im logged in as root, that is my home dir |
| 07:05.27 | ethanol | aill, any normal install will also have made a regular user |
| 07:05.34 | ethanol | aill, no sane person uses root 24/7 |
| 07:05.39 | aill | i dont use regular users they annoy me some how, im root 24/7 man |
| 07:05.56 | ethanol | ok I'm switching to something more productive now, have fun. |
| 07:06.00 | themill | aill: learn not be annoyed then. |
| 07:06.15 | aill | im not annoyed... |
| 07:06.19 | ompaul | aill: welcome to tonights show of YOUR DOING IT WRONG and your flaw is you say you run as root 24/7 congrats on having a broken system |
| 07:06.48 | aill | its not broken... if it was, then if you use windows make sure you alwayse use a guest account for everything |
| 07:06.53 | aill | oh you dont |
| 07:07.02 | ompaul | correct I never use windows |
| 07:07.15 | ompaul | woops work time |
| 07:07.17 | laidback_01 | actually... I do use minially privileged users when I run Windows. |
| 07:07.33 | laidback_01 | but I tend to not use windows as much as possible. |
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| 07:07.54 | laidback_01 | but, hey, you're the expert here aill, good thing we all come to you to ask questions, eh? |
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| 07:08.15 | aill | carefactor for your sarcasm: 0 |
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| 07:08.16 | aill | lulz |
| 07:08.18 | ethanol | who needs office it? just let everyone run windows with admin privileges.. |
| 07:08.33 | nevyn | ethanol: that's the plan. |
| 07:08.40 | ethanol | obvious troll is obvious. please gtfo aill :> |
| 07:09.12 | nevyn | I was being serious |
| 07:09.25 | ethanol | I know, your serious meter is very high man, I can tell. |
| 07:09.27 | aill | im not a troll... its you guys once again turning this into a holy war of how things SHOULD be done according to whatever belief system you work in |
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| 07:09.33 | nevyn | lemme find the relevant article from gartner. |
| 07:09.43 | themill | aill: please take a break from #debian and use that time to reflect on the answers you've been given and start answering some of the questions you've been asked. |
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| 07:10.01 | ethanol | aill, it's not about how things should be done, it's about getting help for a system that we support. yours is broken in a big way. |
| 07:10.36 | nevyn | operates windows minimally privilaged. but the world is going a different direction. |
| 07:11.07 | yoshio | RainbowW, one post i found said use lsscsi (from the .deb of the same name), http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/how-to-correlate-ata-number-in-dmesg-to-specific-dev-sd-letter-846916/ http://grokbase.com/t/centos.org/centos/2010/01/centos-how-to-map-ata-numbers-to-dev-sd-numbers/28kqgkko7j2frwxp63bh4n2q74q4 |
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| 07:11.07 | ethanol | I want to install linux natively on my office pc but tech support doesn't want to risk compromising the network or something along those lines :< |
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| 07:11.18 | ethanol | so, virtual box it is. god I hate it though :( |
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| 07:16.14 | RainbowW | yoshio, chasing. tyvm. |
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| 07:19.04 | RainbowW | i wonder if it's not actually being caused by a bad jbod. |
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| 07:19.23 | yoshio | RainbowW, the search term I used was "mapping ata1 to /dev/sd" |
| 07:19.49 | RainbowW | ty. am still digging through the linuxquestions post |
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| 07:21.00 | RainbowW | wow.gawk isn't installed. duh. |
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| 07:28.36 | yoshio | Debian installs mawk by default |
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| 07:31.22 | yoshio | RaindowW, does 'udevadm test /sys/block/sd[a-z]' give you what you want? |
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| 07:33.06 | RainbowW | yoshio, pipe to less doesn't work, so no. unless i'm supposed to then run hdparm hotplug and view the output therein? |
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| 07:34.34 | RainbowW | the centos thread you posted seems to imply that there isn't a reliable way to do this, and dissecting dmesg is ... extremely painful. i've got 10 drives in the mix here, and when the system reboots they don't always detect in the same order |
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| 07:37.44 | yoshio | RainbowW, type "udevadm test /sys/block/sd[a-z] >& outputfile.txt", and then use an editor on the text file - my laptop has one drive, /dev/sda , and in the output, it has udevadm_test: ID_ATA=1 |
| 07:37.50 | thescrutator | Why can't I compile my kernel according to the 'kp mantra'? |
| 07:38.00 | thescrutator | http://paste.debian.net/126978/ <-- Part of my output. |
| 07:38.20 | thescrutator | I'm confused as to how the heck nvidia even shows up. |
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| 07:41.28 | yoshio | thescrutator, the first line of your output says "Now at patch 2.6.36-ioctl.patch", but your kernel is 3.x |
| 07:41.29 | RainbowW | yoshio, will dump the entire output if you like, but the only drive it finds is the OCZ SSD. this isn't the drive throwing errors -- i know this because the drive that's throwing errors does so when the raid array is exercised ... and the SSD isn't in the raid array. |
| 07:41.51 | thescrutator | yoshio: yes, I've no idea what's going on there, either. |
| 07:42.02 | thescrutator | yoshio: I don't intend to be patching anything, it should be kernel 3.0.3. |
| 07:42.17 | RainbowW | try a stock compile? |
| 07:42.29 | thescrutator | RainbowW: I'm sure that'll work fine. |
| 07:42.38 | thescrutator | RainbowW: But I'd like to do a "proper" debian kernel. |
| 07:42.47 | balboah | What's a good way to imitate the init startup script environment to see why it's not starting upon boot (while it works in my console)? |
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| 07:44.11 | thescrutator | balboah: invoke-rc.d, but also check that it's set in the runlevel itself, use update-rc.d |
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| 07:45.45 | balboah | thescrutator: yeah it's linked by update-rc.d, thanks. I'll try that |
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| 07:46.39 | yoshio | balboah, are you using dependency based boot in squeeze? type 'insserv -v yourScript' to do the re-ordering |
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| 07:46.57 | thescrutator | Yeah... My information might be out of date. |
| 07:47.08 | thescrutator | I haven't used debian since the 5.x release. Currently using 6.0 for teh first time. |
| 07:47.18 | thescrutator | went the source-based route for a time. |
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| 07:47.47 | RainbowW | gah. okay. i'll have to chase this tomorrow. or something. yoshio tyvm, but the pregnant chick has to waddle off to bed, lest she be totally incoherent in calculus in the morning. well, in about five hours. |
| 07:48.32 | balboah | yoshio: yes I do, the invoke-rc.d worked as well. Let's see what insserv resulted in |
| 07:50.00 | balboah | yoshio: No luck, on reboot it doesn't start. I guess I'll have to try to get some more logging |
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| 07:52.32 | balboah | yoshio: works now after I added my current PATH as an export to the defaults script |
| 07:54.08 | yoshio | balboah, cool! |
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| 07:56.45 | yoshio | see you all later |
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| 08:01.21 | thescrutator | Ok, that's wacked. |
| 08:01.28 | thescrutator | I fixed my kernel problem, by... |
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| 08:01.33 | thescrutator | Deleting everything nvidia related. |
| 08:01.37 | thescrutator | The question is now: |
| 08:01.45 | thescrutator | Why the heck does that matter when I'm compiling the kernel? |
| 08:03.10 | thescrutator | Also, where is the .deb produced? |
| 08:05.14 | simonlnu | in .. typically |
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| 08:06.52 | thescrutator | Ah, thanks. I assumed it'd be in '.'. |
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| 08:08.12 | thescrutator | reboots for the moment of truth... |
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| 08:24.37 | swe3tdave | well, that about it, i cant configure postfix to even send my mail & i dont understand a thing about bind, i'm doomed to stay with dnsmasq & sendmail |
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| 08:30.37 | colo-work | swe3tdave, if you managed to get sendmail to do what you want, postfix should def. not give you any problems |
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| 08:33.59 | daedaluz | just occurred to me, that if I create a dual-boot system with two distros on my lappy, I only need one swap partition, right? |
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| 08:34.11 | daedaluz | and both distros can use that swap |
| 08:34.21 | elky | daedaluz, yep |
| 08:34.59 | PerfDave | Unless you're doing something like encrypted swap with incompatible encryption types or something. |
| 08:35.05 | babilen | daedaluz: Note that you will not be able to hibernate in that case |
| 08:35.20 | daedaluz | babilen: how so? |
| 08:35.27 | swe3tdave | ok then, anyone got a good document to configure postfix as a plain in simple mail forwarding server, i want to be able to connect securely with smtp to send my mail, and receive my mail trough my gmail account.. why cant i do this? i could'nt even do it with sendmail anyway, i ended up using a reverse ip tunnel to connect locally to the daemon... |
| 08:35.36 | babilen | daedaluz: It writes the RAM content to the swap partition |
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| 08:36.10 | daedaluz | how does that prevent hibernation? it won't write anything from the other distro, right? |
| 08:36.45 | themill | daedaluz: accidentally booting into $other distro would be catestrophic, however. |
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| 08:37.49 | daedaluz | I see, so it doesn't technically prevent hibernation but I should avoid it. Tip taken. |
| 08:37.54 | babilen | indeed |
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| 08:42.45 | swe3tdave | i cant believe i'm saying this, but i'm actually missing the cpanel... |
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| 08:43.56 | tsanhwa` | hi, I have a problem with lxc: I can connect to container from host system, but can not from outside network. I am using bridge + veth, the ifconfig output both on host and container are here: https://gist.github.com/1161946. thanks |
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| 08:44.49 | fenugreek | swe3tdave: not knowing you, and seeing that you're running Ubuntu, I believe it =) |
| 08:45.25 | swe3tdave | fenugreek, my servers are running debian... |
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| 08:45.33 | fenugreek | tsanhwa`: not that this channel isn't great, but it's very late for most of the English speaking world, and you might find more insomniacs in ##linux |
| 08:45.42 | fenugreek | swe3tdave: that's irrelevant to my jab =D |
| 08:45.56 | nevyn | fenugreek: huh.. it's not that late. |
| 08:46.04 | tsanhwa` | fenugreek: thanks |
| 08:46.29 | PerfDave | fenugreek: Actually, it's 9:46am for most of the English-speaking world. The American-speaking world is another matter ;) |
| 08:46.33 | fenugreek | nevyn: Australia not actually part of the greater part of most of the English speaking world =) |
| 08:46.42 | fenugreek | PerfDave: per capita, if you like |
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| 08:47.26 | nevyn | fenugreek: but it's just the start of the day in england. early evening in .au and like 2am in the US |
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| 08:48.13 | fenugreek | nevyn: 50 million people vs 300 million |
| 08:48.44 | fenugreek | maybe 75 with Australia |
| 08:48.45 | nevyn | wonders how many english speakers are in china. |
| 08:49.10 | fenugreek | I don't mean it as a slight, I don't particularly care for the USA even |
| 08:49.20 | fenugreek | nevyn: well that begs another question |
| 08:49.30 | themill | adds all the English speakers across Europe into that list too |
| 08:49.35 | fenugreek | how many "English speakers" in China are going to be useful for debugging Linux problems in English on IRC |
| 08:49.42 | nevyn | heh |
| 08:49.51 | fenugreek | which I was not counting =P |
| 08:50.19 | maleknet | hi... |
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| 08:50.23 | fenugreek | maleknet: hi =) |
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| 08:52.07 | maleknet | We do have a touch screen device, 46 inch... its brand is inexio.. I spent around a few hours to fix driver issue, but with no success...the device needs to be calibrated, but seems the driver does work properly and it only accepts click and no drags |
| 08:52.40 | fenugreek | mmm, I do wish I remembered all the junk I went through to get my touchscreen working |
| 08:52.41 | Shadur | notes that it's a mostly safe bet that most people in western europe that are economically well off enough to be able to afford a computer and internet will have had at least high school level english education |
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| 08:53.50 | fenugreek | Shadur: are you in Europe? |
| 08:53.55 | Shadur | fenugreek: Yeah. |
| 08:53.58 | fenugreek | Shadur: whereabouts? |
| 08:54.04 | Shadur | Netherlands. |
| 08:54.10 | fenugreek | from there? |
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| 08:54.45 | maleknet | fenugreek, the manufacturer is only providing Windows driver, but there is website called touch-base.com which has linux drivers as well |
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| 08:55.44 | Shadur | I mangle german pretty embarassingly, I'm terrible at speaking French, my Spanish is limited to "Lo siento, no habla Espanol" and I'm absolutely ignorant about the ways greek evolved beyond the Socrates dialogues. But if I go to any of these countries, a large portion of the people I'll meet /will/ speak English. |
| 08:55.44 | fenugreek | not surprising =) |
| 08:55.50 | Shadur | And yeah, native born dutch. |
| 08:56.33 | babilen | points to #debian-offtopic |
| 08:56.34 | fenugreek | yeah, but speaking English and going into in-depth debugging on Linux containers on IRC at 0900 UTC.... |
| 08:56.37 | fenugreek | two different things |
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| 08:57.25 | fenugreek | I'm not saying plenty of them aren't every bit as good at articulating in English as people in the USA, or probably even better than the majority, just that the USA's population wins out in numbers |
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| 09:00.08 | julian | lame |
| 09:00.40 | fenugreek | flac |
| 09:00.42 | fenugreek | oggenc |
| 09:00.48 | fenugreek | twolame |
| 09:01.04 | fenugreek | vpxenc |
| 09:01.11 | fenugreek | julian: c'mon it's no fun if only I play |
| 09:01.18 | themill | takes away fenugreek's enter key |
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| 09:02.30 | fenugreek | could probably send an 0a manually |
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| 09:05.31 | Shadur | fenugreek: It's 11 AM here. |
| 09:06.39 | fenugreek | Shadur: what's for lunch? |
| 09:06.45 | fenugreek | considers breakfast |
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| 09:14.25 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: if you're still here, how can I force the architecture? |
| 09:15.26 | jelly | Pinchiukas: dunno, --arch? |
| 09:15.35 | Pinchiukas | jelly: that doesn't work. |
| 09:15.41 | Pinchiukas | # /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt |
| 09:15.41 | Pinchiukas | E: Couldn't work out current architecture |
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| 09:16.11 | jelly | Pinchiukas: did you get the latest debootstrap? |
| 09:16.22 | Pinchiukas | Yes. |
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| 09:16.35 | Pinchiukas | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.35_all.deb |
| 09:16.37 | jelly | figure out what it does to check the arch |
| 09:16.44 | jelly | not the tarball? |
| 09:16.47 | Pinchiukas | Uses some Debian commands. :) |
| 09:16.58 | jelly | oh you're not the RHEL dude |
| 09:17.23 | Pinchiukas | I am. :) |
| 09:17.40 | Pinchiukas | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html - this howto tells to use the .deb file. |
| 09:17.46 | jelly | there's a 1.0.36! |
| 09:18.06 | Pinchiukas | Ah... |
| 09:18.10 | Pinchiukas | Mighty fresh. :) |
| 09:18.14 | jelly | don't think it's going to make a difference but |
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| 09:19.26 | Pinchiukas | Works! |
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| 09:21.37 | jelly | so whining about it on irc produces fixes, good to know |
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| 09:21.40 | Zap-W | hi |
| 09:22.01 | Zap-W | what's the link about non-free drivers and firmware |
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| 09:22.29 | Zap-W | I want to know if it's possible to download the non-free iso with the none-free firmware during debian instalation |
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| 09:24.19 | me-1 | hi...how can i listen to online radio |
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| 09:24.40 | fenugreek | me-1: with VLC |
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| 09:25.07 | PerfDave | With an online radio player? ;) |
| 09:25.30 | me-1 | with any method |
| 09:25.53 | me-1 | i just want to listen to radio , like bbc etc |
| 09:25.53 | jelly | Zap-W: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 09:26.05 | PerfDave | me-1: Depends on the online radio. |
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| 09:26.17 | PerfDave | BBC etc. requires shitty non-free Flash player IIRC |
| 09:26.32 | Zap-W | jelly: do I need firmware-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso in addition to the official netinst cd ? |
| 09:26.34 | PerfDave | Other online radio stations use MP3 streaming which will work fine with just about any media player |
| 09:26.41 | Zap-W | jelly: or can I use it as standalone |
| 09:26.49 | PerfDave | Zap-W: The netinst CD won't come with non-free firmware. |
| 09:27.10 | jelly | Zap-W: I have no idea how the official unofficial images with firmware work |
| 09:27.12 | Zap-W | PerfDave: does the non-free firmware iso also contain non-free drivers? |
| 09:27.23 | jelly | Zap-W: no |
| 09:27.38 | djura-san | moin o/ |
| 09:27.49 | PerfDave | Zap-W: What drivers are you looking for? |
| 09:28.25 | Zap-W | PerfDave: raid drivers |
| 09:28.56 | PerfDave | Zap-W: You could just use mdadm :) |
| 09:28.57 | maleknet | We do have a touch screen device, 46 inch... its brand is inexio.. I spent around a few hours to fix driver issue, but with no success...the device needs to be calibrated, but seems the driver does work properly and it only accepts click and no drags |
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| 09:29.47 | jelly | Zap-W: which raid controller? Most hw raid controllers have free drivers |
| 09:29.59 | jelly | well, most of those you'd buy to run linux on |
| 09:31.20 | PerfDave | would worry about the possibility of recovering a RAID with proprietary drivers, in the event of RAID controller hardware failure |
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| 09:34.43 | Pinchiukas | Thanks, jelly. |
| 09:34.51 | Pinchiukas | They fixed it when I complained? :) |
| 09:34.58 | Pinchiukas | I wonder what they changed... |
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| 09:35.20 | thescrutator | How do I get m-a to give me a chance to hack the sources when I build the module? |
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| 09:42.25 | dokma | is it possible to partition two drives as one partition? |
| 09:42.42 | thescrutator | afaik, yes, with lvm |
| 09:42.43 | PerfDave | dokma: In a variety of ways, eys |
| 09:42.53 | PerfDave | dokma: But can be a bad idea. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:42.59 | thescrutator | btrfs too? |
| 09:42.59 | CruX| | dokma: or sw raid |
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| 09:43.29 | dokma | PerfDave: nothing in particular, it just went through my head that my datacenter is offering some machines with 2x200 GB drives |
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| 09:43.40 | dokma | and I would like to use most of it for hosting sites |
| 09:43.50 | PerfDave | dokma: That sounds ideal for a RAID mirror to me. |
| 09:43.53 | dokma | and don't want to have multiple folders for websites |
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| 09:44.10 | dokma | PerfDave: but I need the whole capacity |
| 09:44.12 | PerfDave | What do you mean by "multiple folders"? |
| 09:44.18 | PerfDave | dokma: What happens when a drive fails? |
| 09:44.22 | dokma | as in /var/www1 /var/www2 |
| 09:44.28 | dokma | PerfDave: backup |
| 09:44.32 | PerfDave | dokma: Fair enoug |
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| 09:44.43 | PerfDave | dokma: Your customers will be happy with the downtime to restore? :) |
| 09:44.43 | fenugreek | backups are for people without redundancy |
| 09:44.54 | themill | that's a pretty insane amount of data to be serving... there aren't a lot of sites that have that much on disk to serve |
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| 09:45.00 | fenugreek | 3 is the new 2 |
| 09:45.10 | PerfDave | fenugreek: Or for people who do accidental rm on their redundant RAID6 configuration :) |
| 09:45.19 | dokma | themill: it's just a really big bunch of small to medium company sites |
| 09:45.28 | davidisko | guys, i'm trying to start domu with disk device drbd:test-disk on debian stable + xen-4.0.1 from packages, but getting this Error: Device 51713 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working. |
| 09:45.28 | davidisko | any ideas? drbd is configured correctly |
| 09:45.31 | dokma | I just bought a web development company with all their clients |
| 09:45.33 | fenugreek | PerfDave: would make it non-redundant, wouldn't it |
| 09:45.35 | dokma | and moving that to my server |
| 09:45.41 | mac7 | Hello, how can you adjust the color settings of the scroll & title bar? |
| 09:45.53 | dokma | RAID mirror would be perfect for a bit redundancy true... |
| 09:45.53 | fenugreek | mac7: of what, GNOME? |
| 09:45.59 | PerfDave | dokma: How big are the sites? I host shiteloads of small sites, and it's nowhere near 200GB... |
| 09:46.04 | mac7 | yep |
| 09:46.13 | dokma | they're all under a gig |
| 09:46.19 | dokma | well under |
| 09:46.25 | fenugreek | mac7: I suppose you could with a gtkrc |
| 09:46.30 | dokma | but there's just a hughe number of them |
| 09:46.41 | fenugreek | mac7: or more generally through GNOME's appearance prefs |
| 09:46.46 | PerfDave | dokma: Over 200? :) |
| 09:46.47 | fenugreek | (probably not independently that way) |
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| 09:47.06 | dokma | and I would not like to have more than 60-70% capacity filled on my 200GB drive I currently have |
| 09:47.19 | dokma | no atm there's around a 100-120 |
| 09:47.27 | PerfDave | dokma: 200GB drives are pretty small tehse days, they're probably old drives and hence more prone to failure. Get your hosting company to stick 2x1TB drives in instead :) |
| 09:47.28 | dokma | but it's growing so I'm thinking a bit ahead |
| 09:47.46 | PerfDave | 1TB SATA drives are what, under 50 quid these days? |
| 09:47.48 | dokma | they do offer those machines as well but it's above my paygrade |
| 09:48.01 | dokma | I started with a PIII 800MHz and 10GB drive and upgraded twice since |
| 09:48.37 | PerfDave | dokma: Go sit outside with a begging cup for five minutes, come back when you've got enough to buy two 1TB drives ;) |
| 09:49.04 | dokma | well... I don't know if they do stick new drives in existing machines |
| 09:49.07 | thescrutator | I've upgraded to a 40GB SSD. :) |
| 09:49.10 | thescrutator | dokma: They do. |
| 09:49.11 | dokma | they probably just rent what is offered |
| 09:49.26 | PerfDave | dokma: Anyway, you can span across two drives with LVM (probably simplest), or probably other options like mdadm etc. |
| 09:49.41 | PerfDave | dokma: But really, if you're thinking ahead, disk space is cheap, and 200GB is tiny. |
| 09:49.59 | dokma | http://www.leaseweb.com/en/dedicated-servers/dual-core-servers |
| 09:50.08 | dokma | they bought off netdirect which I was using |
| 09:50.22 | dokma | PerfDave: thanks for the info |
| 09:50.29 | dokma | I just wanted to have that in my biostorage |
| 09:50.38 | mac7 | In appearane settings I can only adjust the window settings, no color settings... |
| 09:50.52 | fenugreek | mac7: well you can adjust themes |
| 09:51.02 | PerfDave | dokma: How much traffic are you putting through on your tiny sites? Do you even need dedicated server hosting? |
| 09:51.06 | fenugreek | mac7: what you probably want is a custom gtkrc in your ~/, with custom colors set |
| 09:51.17 | mac7 | I adjusted the thems but the color stayed the same... |
| 09:51.19 | fenugreek | mac7: probably mostly a copy of your favorite theme |
| 09:51.36 | dokma | it's not much traffic but I prefer dedicated because I can optimize everything insanely |
| 09:51.51 | dokma | you can check the achieved speed here: http://www.docplanet.org |
| 09:51.59 | dokma | it's one of the sites on it and it's on a CMS |
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| 09:52.47 | PerfDave | "optimise insanely"? |
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| 09:52.52 | PerfDave | You could install Gentoo ;) |
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| 09:53.59 | dokma | yeah, I have full control over the system, from the kernel to apache, php and mysql |
| 09:54.28 | dokma | and I think I got a pretty good machine for the money |
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| 09:55.02 | fenugreek | dokma: $? |
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| 09:55.27 | dokma | I think it is Atom D510 with a 250GB and TB of traffic for 39? |
| 09:55.30 | fenugreek | http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/serverpronto-5-promo-dedicated-server/ =) |
| 09:55.37 | fenugreek | atom? =P |
| 09:56.31 | dokma | and 2GB RAM |
| 09:56.40 | dokma | I still think it's pretty good |
| 09:56.56 | fenugreek | for $39 a month? |
| 09:56.57 | dokma | if you have a significantly better offer for a similar machine I'm willing to listen |
| 09:57.01 | dokma | that's ?39 |
| 09:57.15 | dokma | around 55$ |
| 09:57.16 | fenugreek | can't see it, euro? |
| 09:57.22 | dokma | yes |
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| 09:59.43 | amoe | what do you guys recommend for running a local apt repository? |
| 10:00.01 | fenugreek | amoe: doing so |
| 10:00.26 | themill | dpkg: tell amoe about reprepro |
| 10:01.03 | amoe | funky |
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| 10:01.25 | amoe | thanks themill |
| 10:03.40 | Zap-W | can I run debian installation with debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 10:03.59 | fenugreek | Zap-W: it's unimaginable that you could not |
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| 10:04.34 | fenugreek | Zap-W: probably much more data to download than you need just to install, however |
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| 10:06.34 | ghoulsblade | hi all, when i see a processor stuck in 99% "wa" (waiting for io?) for a long time, is there a way to find out what it is waiting for exactly ? doing "svn up" one some sw project is taking ages, might be vm related, but not sure, could be harddisk or network as well |
| 10:08.13 | Zap-W | fenugreek: is it possible to download non-free and non-free fimrware drivers during installation ? |
| 10:08.53 | fenugreek | sorry I don't know; certainly if you did a debootstrap |
| 10:09.47 | Zap-W | fenugreek: is it possible to do debootstrap during installation |
| 10:09.53 | Zap-W | fenugreek: if I open up a shell |
| 10:10.25 | fenugreek | debootstrap is a sort of more manual method of installation: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 10:10.31 | Zap-W | I know |
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| 10:10.54 | fenugreek | if you can get to a shell you can do just about anything |
| 10:11.11 | sweb | i install the debian. after instllation my user sweb is not in sudoers |
| 10:11.31 | sweb | also i cant change sudoers files because need root access |
| 10:11.40 | sweb | what must i do ? |
| 10:11.42 | fenugreek | sweb: been using Ubuntu? |
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| 10:11.51 | thescrutator | Become root. Add yourself to sudoers. |
| 10:11.57 | fenugreek | or don't... |
| 10:12.06 | sweb | how can i login with root ? |
| 10:12.11 | fenugreek | sweb: what do you want to use sudo for? |
| 10:12.13 | fenugreek | sweb: su |
| 10:12.25 | themill | sweb: "su -" then "adduser sweb sudo". |
| 10:12.52 | sweb | your mean i use this |
| 10:12.55 | sweb | su -sweb ? |
| 10:13.08 | themill | no. |
| 10:13.08 | fenugreek | sweb: what do you want to use sudo for? |
| 10:13.41 | sweb | nothing my problem was solved with su |
| 10:13.44 | sweb | thnx guys |
| 10:13.57 | fenugreek | =) |
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| 10:32.21 | Zap-W | hello |
| 10:32.44 | Zap-W | is there a tool that lists all disk devices detected |
| 10:32.44 | PerfDave | dmesg? |
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| 10:32.51 | Zap-W | something more clean |
| 10:32.52 | PerfDave | fdisk -l? |
| 10:33.03 | Zap-W | fdisk isn't listing all |
| 10:33.13 | PerfDave | What isn't it listing? |
| 10:33.23 | thescrutator | Do you mean all block devices? |
| 10:33.23 | Zap-W | some missing hds |
| 10:33.29 | Zap-W | thescrutator: yes |
| 10:33.48 | ham5 | ive had to set my boot line with ide=nodma on another distro one time to get a drive to show up |
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| 10:34.18 | thescrutator | find /dev -type b |
| 10:34.22 | thescrutator | Or something. |
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| 10:38.00 | niv13 | Ðма ли бÑлгаÑи ÑÑк? |
| 10:38.22 | thescrutator | forgot to put his console into unicode mode, evidently. :( |
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| 10:39.38 | fenugreek | niv13: /msg alis list *bg |
| 10:39.56 | fenugreek | #linux-bg might be the most populous... at nine |
| 10:39.59 | thescrutator | Who's alis? |
| 10:40.18 | fenugreek | thescrutator: go ask alis |
| 10:40.25 | fishsponge_ | does anyone know if icedove can have multithreading enabled? |
| 10:40.27 | niv13 | Thanks fenugreek :) |
| 10:40.53 | thescrutator | fenugreek: He refuses to reply in English. |
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| 10:41.16 | fenugreek | thescrutator: who does? |
| 10:41.32 | fenugreek | alis? Probably because you've told her she's a him |
| 10:41.49 | thescrutator | fenugreek: Her, then - I thought she was an 'it'. |
| 10:42.15 | fenugreek | she _is_ an it |
| 10:42.37 | niv13 | I wanted to ask for the channel # debian-bg, which apparently is not supported |
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| 10:43.18 | fenugreek | Shadur: observe increase in activity as the sun rises on the USA =P |
| 10:43.20 | thescrutator | fenugreek: I think we both agree that alis is a bot... But what's the purpose of the bot - THAT is the question. |
| 10:43.38 | fenugreek | niv13: unfortunately, seems that way |
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| 10:43.54 | fenugreek | niv13: http://www.debian.org/international/Bulgarian |
| 10:44.10 | fenugreek | thescrutator: took over some chanserv functions, IIRC |
| 10:44.19 | fenugreek | there's a freenode blog post of it |
| 10:44.22 | thescrutator | Ah, that exlpains it. |
| 10:44.37 | fenugreek | terrible name, as you have to use it like /msg alis list |
| 10:44.45 | fenugreek | the lis list is error prone to type |
| 10:44.46 | niv13 | fenugreek: Yes, unfortunately: ( |
| 10:44.58 | niv13 | ok |
| 10:45.13 | thescrutator | What language, is it, anyway? |
| 10:45.34 | thescrutator | That's my *last* question! :) |
| 10:45.52 | fenugreek | thescrutator: ÐÑлгаÑÑки of course |
| 10:46.10 | thescrutator | Name in english, please. :( |
| 10:46.23 | thescrutator | forgot to enable utf-8. |
| 10:46.34 | themill | fenugreek: any decent irc client can give you an /alis just like /cs and /ns |
| 10:47.11 | fenugreek | irrelevant |
| 10:47.21 | fenugreek | I can make /foo do my laundry if I want |
| 10:47.26 | niv13 | I wanted to find Bulgarians Debian fans but it turned out that the channel # debian-bg was abandoned, so I decided to ask here in the channel. |
| 10:47.31 | fenugreek | thescrutator: bulgarian |
| 10:47.34 | themill | as are your rantings in #debian ... |
| 10:47.36 | thescrutator | Cool. :) |
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| 10:49.23 | niv13 | fenugreek: ok :) |
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| 10:59.56 | cyrinux | hi, i'm searching for a tiny calendar which use evolution-data-server could you advise me plz ? |
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| 11:02.56 | fenugreek | cyrinux: sounds paradoxical |
| 11:03.04 | fenugreek | cyrinux: evolution has a calendar, though |
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| 11:08.35 | sajkaca | so anyone here knows why i cant install grub in debian installer? this are the debug logs http://pastebin.com/fujaxZVE http://pastebin.com/PbXrpL81 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/671629/a |
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| 11:15.02 | wols | sajkaca: do it manually if you can. /msg dpkg fixgrub |
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| 11:15.19 | sajkaca | ok |
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| 11:16.40 | wols | sajkaca: always the same I guess: grub falls over if you boot from usb. at least the automatic installation I guess |
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| 11:24.28 | sajkaca | wols: i think its becouse of raid 1 /boot partition |
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| 11:43.36 | bony | i want to create a file that links to a url |
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| 11:49.19 | OrigenAG | Hi Guys, forgive my ignorance with this question but say I have a server running multiple services on a single subnet and I would like one service (Samba) to have a dedicated NIC (to hopefully resolve what I think may be a bandwidth issue). Can I operate two NIC's on a sigle subnet or will that cause networking/routing issues? |
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| 11:49.56 | kraehe | wonders why nc is /bin/nc - is netcat used in Debian boot !BEFORE! mounting /usr ? |
| 11:50.07 | nevyn | OrigenAG: so you can do it but it's complicated. in fact it's so complicated that I'd suggest unless you're sure it's the problem I wouldn't bother. |
| 11:50.09 | kraehe | and if its used, for what? |
| 11:50.40 | nevyn | OrigenAG: and even if bandwidth was the problem I'd upgrade the nic to 10gigE before screwing around with multiple nic's on a single subnet. |
| 11:50.55 | nevyn | tho I might do bonding before that. |
| 11:51.17 | nevyn | OrigenAG: 2nd nic on same subnet WAY down the list of remedies. |
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| 11:53.42 | nsadmin | a nic on a -separate- subnet is something I'd tru before nic on same subnet |
| 11:53.48 | OrigenAG | nevyn: Thanks, perhaps I'll look into bonding once I get a switch that will understand bonding. It's my home server its just a real pain. Just incase you've come across the issue but on my home server once install libvert for xen or kvm my network performance when transfering large files with samba seems to encounter a bottle neck. Previously it would transfer at 120MB/s until complete, now once I get to about 2GB it slows right |
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| 11:54.16 | OrigenAG | Nevyn: I work with large file a lot and it's causing a lot of annoyance |
| 11:55.01 | nsadmin | why not upgrade your net and all nics including the switch |
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| 11:57.18 | OrigenAG | nsadmin: It's probably about time I get a new switch. Any recommendations on a reasonable price GB 16 or 24 port switch that will do the trick? |
| 11:57.20 | jelly | Pinchiukas: amazingly sometimes the strategy of use-the-very-latest works ;-) |
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| 11:58.09 | nsadmin | OrigenAG, well they're suggesting 10g |
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| 11:59.06 | nevyn | OrigenAG: so if you're using kvm then it's possible you need to look at haveing appropriate paravirt drivers in the guest |
| 11:59.34 | nsadmin | at -minimum-, probably you want to get a 10g switch |
| 12:00.00 | nsadmin | do you need 24 ports? |
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| 12:00.03 | nevyn | was not serious about 10gigE. (well I am.) |
| 12:00.19 | nevyn | but I was talking about relative faultfinding and complexity |
| 12:01.22 | OrigenAG | Haha |
| 12:01.54 | nevyn | I like 10gigE it makes wiring up my ESX servers suck much less. |
| 12:02.09 | nevyn | 6 or 8 GigE nic's in a bond isn't fun. |
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| 12:02.24 | OrigenAG | nsadmin: 24 ports isnt a necessity I just need at least 16 for the ports around the house but they could always be across two switches if need be |
| 12:02.37 | Woet | price is a lot better though, nevyn |
| 12:02.42 | Woet | 10x 1 gigabit or 1x 10 gigabit |
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| 12:03.06 | nevyn | Woet: meh. a gigabit card is only 3k or so a 4x1gig is about the same |
| 12:03.27 | Woet | 4x 1 gigabit is about 300 euro |
| 12:03.28 | Woet | pci |
| 12:03.45 | nevyn | from whom? |
| 12:03.56 | Woet | intel quad gigabit adapter |
| 12:03.58 | nsadmin | so you were mostly speaking against having two nics to the switch on the same subnet from the same macnine |
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| 12:04.04 | Woet | pro/1000 GT |
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| 12:04.33 | nevyn | nsadmin: yes without some sort of bonding or management |
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| 12:06.44 | Woet | i prefer multiple uplinks trunked for redundancy, nevyn |
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| 12:06.52 | Woet | 1x 10 gigabit is a lot less redundant than 10x 1 gigabit :) |
| 12:07.09 | bony | fenugreek, its like this i want to create a file on my desktop which points to http://<url>:8800/play.ogg and i want to use that file to play |
| 12:07.25 | nsadmin | I would say upgrading the switch to 10g would provide an upgrade path |
| 12:07.50 | fenugreek | bony: then you probably want a .desktop shortcut to 'vlc http://foo' or something like that |
| 12:07.53 | petern_ | still using 100m switches ;( |
| 12:07.55 | fenugreek | bony: what DE are you using? |
| 12:08.06 | bony | fenugreek, gnome |
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| 12:08.38 | fenugreek | pretty sure GNOME will walk you through if you right click on the desktop and hit create launcher or something |
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| 12:09.06 | fenugreek | you just need to give it the right command to run |
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| 12:09.19 | Woet | petern_: if it's enough for your infrastructure, who cares? |
| 12:09.19 | wols | bony: <player program> <url> ? |
| 12:09.41 | wols | Woet: petern_ does: he wants new toys |
| 12:09.42 | OrigenAG | Thanks guys. Will look at upgrading my switch as a first point. I've been meaning to buy a new one for some time now |
| 12:09.59 | petern_ | yeah ;) |
| 12:10.01 | Woet | wols: i'm getting two new toys in a few weeks, 10g switches |
| 12:10.03 | nevyn | Woet: well we have 2x 10gigE |
| 12:10.11 | bony | fenugreek, its like this i am streaming video and audio to the url and i want to use the same url in my drupal (CMS) but the problem is that drupal is unable to determine the url, it takes youtube, vimeo etc video's and give me a playlist but when i give this link its not working so i through that that if we can create a file on the filesystem that points to the url and then upload that file to the drupal instance it may work |
| 12:10.36 | Woet | nevyn: sounds good too, but pricewise 10x 1g would be a lot better - at least to the hosts |
| 12:10.41 | nevyn | Woet: more links is good but it becomes a pain at high consolidation ratios.. (20-40)vms/host |
| 12:10.42 | fenugreek | bony: you may as well have just said "asojfsadiojdfiojasfdjiowagojegowaijreg" |
| 12:10.58 | Woet | nevyn: how so? |
| 12:11.00 | bony | fenugreek, ok it is a bit tricky |
| 12:11.49 | nevyn | Woet: the cost of the switchports is ugly. and the cable management with a rack of systems with 10 gigE connections is horror |
| 12:12.08 | bony | fenugreek, i will explain it i want to create a symlink just like we create symlinks to files on our filesystem using ln command but the source is not a file in this case it is a url |
| 12:12.19 | Woet | nevyn: the cost of 10g ports is uglier :p |
| 12:12.45 | bony | fenugreek, something like ln -s 'url' link |
| 12:12.53 | bony | fenugreek, but its not working |
| 12:13.07 | fenugreek | bony: you want to mount a remote filesystem? |
| 12:13.13 | nevyn | Woet: meh that's networks problem ;) |
| 12:13.26 | Woet | nevyn: true, but my manager cares about that :P |
| 12:13.28 | bony | fenugreek, no i don't want to mount a remote filesystem. |
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| 12:13.37 | Woet | my responsibility |
| 12:14.03 | babilen | bony: Linux does not support what you are after |
| 12:14.10 | babilen | bony: (AFAIK) |
| 12:14.26 | fenugreek | ... |
| 12:14.36 | fenugreek | insofar as there is no exactly-what-bony-wants-magic-button, anyways |
| 12:14.41 | fenugreek | still not sure what it is you want |
| 12:14.47 | fenugreek | but whatever it is, it's probably the wrong thing to do |
| 12:15.28 | nevyn | hrm there's a couple of things there are desktop environments that support having urls as reasonably first classish objects |
| 12:16.08 | nsadmin | bony, right now symlinks that point to urls do not work that way |
| 12:16.13 | babilen | fenugreek: AFAIUI bony wants something like Plan9's /net for Linux |
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| 12:16.56 | nevyn | is there a fuse filesystem that does soemthing like this? |
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| 12:17.01 | babilen | bony: Can't you download the files in question? |
| 12:17.06 | fenugreek | AIUI he wants a ridiculously convoluted solution to not understanding how to properly config his web server |
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| 12:17.23 | nsadmin | he can probably get what he wants but symlinks aren[t the thing he needs right now |
| 12:17.23 | babilen | nevyn: I don't know -- It might very well exist though |
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| 12:18.12 | nsadmin | I will note in passing that after his "huffy" comment he's been nonresponsive |
| 12:18.13 | babilen | Doesn't Drupal support external URIs? |
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| 12:19.13 | babilen | Sounds as if it is a question for #drupal anyway ... |
| 12:19.25 | patrakov | hi. can anyone name any package that contains a django-based web application? I will need this as a template for my own package |
| 12:19.50 | bony | fenugreek, babilen what i am doing is that i am streaming audio/video using flumotion. to access the stream from a player like vlc or mplayer the user gives this url http://localhost:8800/test.ogg. now I have a drupal site in the same system. I had a page in the site for audio video files which are working fine, even the youtube video's are linking to the page. But when i try to access the before mentioned url i get error saying that the url is not recognised. |
| 12:19.50 | bony | Now i thought that if i can create a symlink on my system with the streaming url and upload the file which will be test.ogg but directing to the streaming server it may work. |
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| 12:21.24 | fenugreek | patrakov: checked with apt-cache search django ? |
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| 12:21.51 | nsadmin | that may be. it could easily be possible... and, the thing you want is like a symlink maybe, but it's not a symlink |
| 12:22.25 | nsadmin | it would have to be supported by the filesystem code |
| 12:22.25 | patrakov | fenugreek: this looks like a list of django modules, not like complete web apps, unless I missed something |
| 12:22.26 | fenugreek | bony: I think you need a visit to #httpd |
| 12:22.44 | nsadmin | maybe he wants webdav |
| 12:22.49 | fenugreek | patrakov: has to be one in there somewhere, unless there's policy not to include them |
| 12:23.05 | fenugreek | patrakov: usually pretty easy to install a python/django app regardless |
| 12:23.12 | bony | nsadmin, yeah you are right. now i get the point i am just complicating the situation. I better go to drupal or php or apache channels for the same query. |
| 12:23.36 | fenugreek | patrakov: http://mezzanine.jupo.org/docs/overview.html#installation |
| 12:23.41 | babilen | patrakov: I would ask in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net -- At least djagios seems to be a packaged application, but I'd ask the Python team for advice. |
| 12:23.52 | patrakov | fenugreek: yep, my task at work is to make a deb package out of the internal django app, so I am looking for the prior art |
| 12:24.06 | bony | but I will figure out if it is really possible to create a symlink on the desktop that points to some url that i can access |
| 12:24.17 | fenugreek | patrakov: might be overkill, but =) |
| 12:24.25 | bony | i mean not only desktop but any were in the filesystem |
| 12:24.33 | Zap-W | how do I install a udeb package from the installer shell in debian |
| 12:24.38 | Zap-W | I need dmraid |
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| 12:25.12 | patrakov | babilen: thanks |
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| 12:27.36 | sejo | babilen: what can you use in djagios? |
| 12:28.02 | sejo | it's basicly only a python api on the nagios3 config |
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| 12:35.12 | rohdef | is this the right place for aptitude questions even though I'm using Ubuntu? |
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| 12:35.52 | fenugreek | rohdef: #ubuntu |
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| 12:38.06 | rohdef | fenugreek: I have a hunch that this is too specific for the normal #ubuntu, they often can't answer questions when they reach a certain technical level, but I'll try #ubuntu+1 first then |
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| 12:38.59 | fenugreek | rohdef: ##linux |
| 12:39.13 | fenugreek | rohdef: or come back here after we've forgotten you and don't say you're using Ubuntu =P |
| 12:39.24 | themill | :( |
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| 12:39.55 | rohdef | fenugreek: lol :) I probably should mention what distos I've tried out through the time then |
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| 12:40.53 | rohdef | although I've only used rpm based twice, second time because I thought they probably had solved all the dependency problems in the rpms :p |
| 12:41.15 | fenugreek | heh |
| 12:41.17 | fenugreek | fool me twice =) |
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| 12:42.44 | rohdef | let's just say that I'm most likely not giving rpm another chance, unless I hear of some radical changes :p |
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| 12:48.22 | fenugreek | rohdef: you won't =P |
| 12:48.47 | syn3rgy | Hi I have been using the "testing main" repo and not once even come close to a problem with stability. In fact stress tests showed it more stable then Ubuntu 11.04. Now my question: |
| 12:49.21 | Bushmills | syn3rgy: debian interpretation of "stable" isn't just "doesn't crash" |
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| 12:49.58 | syn3rgy | I am going to buy a SB CPU and would like to use the GPU in it. Does Debian work with that set up. I don't want to use any "blobs" only main stuff. |
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| 12:50.17 | syn3rgy | Bushmills, I know, thats why I love it. |
| 12:50.39 | Bushmills | therefore, testing isn't very stable |
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| 12:50.56 | syn3rgy | Bushmills, I never see problems in my logs all the same though =) |
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| 12:51.51 | Bushmills | do aptitude update, from the number of packages for which updates exist, you can verify that testing isn't stable at all |
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| 12:52.53 | mikeee1 | hi i've told to download firmware-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso yetsreday because my wifi card had missing drivers, install this now and still missing b43/ucode5.fw |
| 12:52.55 | mikeee1 | any idea? |
| 12:53.17 | blubberdiblub | and from the frequency when there are new updates for the packages |
| 12:53.18 | syn3rgy | Bushmills, I am not using experimental or unstable just the testing repos. |
| 12:53.43 | syn3rgy | Bushmills, and ONLY main |
| 12:53.44 | Bushmills | you said so. that's why i tell you that testing isn't stable at all |
| 12:53.57 | Bushmills | regardless of problems or no problems |
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| 12:54.02 | syn3rgy | phone...one sec |
| 12:58.09 | Zap-W | how to tell if hardware supports AES acceleration |
| 12:58.39 | Zap-W | ah there is a module |
| 13:00.00 | syn3rgy | Zap-W cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:00.41 | Zap-W | what to look for sybariten |
| 13:00.42 | Zap-W | syn3rgy |
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| 13:02.29 | blubberdiblub | Zap-W, depends on the architecture. for instance on VIA cpus, look for flags containing "ace", "pmm" and "phe" |
| 13:02.30 | babilen | mikeee1: That firmware is a bit special and has to be installed seperately (blame broadcom) -- You most likely want to enable <non-free> and install firmware-b43-*installer (not sure exactly which package you need) |
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| 13:02.49 | Zap-W | blubberdiblub: who uses VIA cpus |
| 13:02.58 | blubberdiblub | Zap-W, i do, for my NAS |
| 13:03.08 | Zap-W | blubberdiblub: what to look for on intel |
| 13:03.36 | blubberdiblub | Zap-W, i don't know, sorry. i don't have any intel cpus |
| 13:03.41 | babilen | mikeee1: But it is quite easy with those packages and used to be much harder before, because you actually needed the Windows/OSX driver from which you extracted the firmware wir b43-fwcutter |
| 13:03.54 | babilen | s/wir/with |
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| 13:04.23 | wols | Zap-W: which CPU is it? |
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| 13:04.51 | Zap-W | wols: intel XeOn e5620 |
| 13:04.51 | blubberdiblub | Zap-W, maybe just try to modprobe the aesni-intel module and look what output that gives (use dmesg as well) |
| 13:05.06 | Zap-W | blubberdiblub: I dont have that odule |
| 13:05.18 | blackshirt | someone here experienced with installing debian on ibm x3650 M2 series ?? installer said that no hard disk detected alias hd not found ? |
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| 13:05.48 | wols | Zap-W: it has AES-NI |
| 13:06.00 | babilen | !tell mikeee1 -about b43 |
| 13:06.04 | babilen | !tell mikeee1 -about b43-fwcutter |
| 13:06.30 | blackshirt | someone here experienced with installing debian on ibm x3650 M2 series ?? |
| 13:07.00 | mikeee1 | babilen: thanks, but i thought there's a cd with it, i dont have inet on that machine so i cant pkg add the cutter |
| 13:07.32 | babilen | blackshirt: patience ;) -- My initial intuition is that either the SATA/??? controller is not supported out of the box (needs a newer kernel/firmware/???) or that you have to configure something specific in the BIOS. |
| 13:07.37 | wols | blackshirt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623187 |
| 13:08.02 | wols | mikeee1: use a USB stick or such |
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| 13:08.36 | Zap-W | does anyone know if it's possible to run two encryption with cryptsetup |
| 13:08.44 | Zap-W | two encryption algo |
| 13:08.52 | Zap-W | algorithm |
| 13:08.58 | babilen | mikeee1: You could also extract the firmware on another box, put it on an USB stick and copy it to /lib/firmware/ -- No way to use ethernet? |
| 13:09.22 | babilen | Zap-W: Just to satisfy my curiosity, but why would you want that? |
| 13:09.57 | Zap-W | babilen: because my boss wants it, and he didn't care to explain why. |
| 13:10.03 | Zap-W | :) |
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| 13:10.43 | babilen | Zap-W: I don't quite understand what you are after and the only thing that comes to mind (i.e. double-encryption) doesn't make sense. |
| 13:10.55 | mikeee1 | wols: can i get the .deb package on a windows machine? and usb it to the debian? |
| 13:11.14 | blackshirt | babilen: thanks for a response..yeah, that was LSI sas controller.. i think, lsi controller was supported with mptsas, or megaraid_sas driver, but still not detected |
| 13:11.18 | Zap-W | babilen: why not ? |
| 13:11.20 | wols | mikeee1: yes |
| 13:11.27 | wols | Zap-W: cause it doesn't make sense |
| 13:11.34 | Zap-W | babilen: but I understand what you mean I think |
| 13:11.46 | blackshirt | wols: go to links |
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| 13:11.59 | babilen | mikeee1: The problem with the firmware-b43-installer package is that it actually downloads the firmware and extracts it when you install that package. No idea if fwcutter runs on Windows. |
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| 13:12.10 | Zap-W | wols: why dosen't it make sense |
| 13:12.26 | wols | mikeee1: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-b43-installer/download |
| 13:12.50 | wols | mikeee1: if it's that one. there also si the b43legacy and b43-lpphy |
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| 13:13.03 | wols | Zap-W: cause you don't encrypt something twice. what for? |
| 13:13.31 | babilen | mikeee1: You only need to get your hand on the firmware (the actual file) -- It doesn't really matter how. One way is to use fwcutter which extracts it from the original MS Windows driver -- AFAIR you could download it directly from somewhere too. But it used to be a while since I was stupid enough to buy broadcom hardware ... googling might help. |
| 13:14.29 | wols | syn3rgy: xorg has been backported to squeeze. with that SB GPUs are supported |
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| 13:15.21 | babilen | wols: That package will just try to download http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-5.10.56.27.3_mipsel.tar.bz2 and extract the firmware from it using fwcutter. |
| 13:15.58 | syn3rgy | wols for real =) Same with the GPU? I really don't like the idea of using non-free stuff. Is that needed? |
| 13:16.06 | blackshirt | wols: that was x3650 M3 series..mine was M2 series.. are there something different between them ? |
| 13:17.03 | Zap-W | wols: what about triple encryption |
| 13:17.17 | babilen | Zap-W: Whatfor? |
| 13:18.00 | Zap-W | it's what 3des does no? |
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| 13:18.42 | babilen | Zap-W: Just because single-DES sucks |
| 13:18.43 | syn3rgy | Zap-W you really do not want to use 3DES. It is broken. |
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| 13:19.41 | syn3rgy | Zap-W AES256 using Whirlpool hash. If for encryption is wanted on a disk use XTC not CBC |
| 13:19.42 | wols | Zap-W: triple DES exists because normal DES didn't offer protection and there was no alternative. right now, you want to use AES and nothing else. 256bit if you want |
| 13:19.48 | colo-work | consider this: if DES sucks, how many times is 3DES supposed to suck? |
| 13:20.11 | wols | colo-work: a 3rd as much of course (well not true: half...) |
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| 13:20.26 | wols | ,versions xorg |
| 13:20.26 | judd | Package xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+8; wheezy: 1:7.6+8 |
| 13:20.41 | wols | syn3rgy: yes the GPU. samd version as currently in testing and sid |
| 13:21.00 | babilen | is with syn3rgy and wols on the recommendation |
| 13:21.07 | PerfDave | wols: Though Schneier reckons that AES 128 is probably the best option at http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/08/new_attack_on_a_1.html |
| 13:21.08 | wols | syn3rgy: for the rest of the hardware, you want a backports kernel too, tho for SATA, the ahci drivers should be fine |
| 13:21.39 | syn3rgy | wols I am buying a SB today. Thank you for the info. |
| 13:21.46 | wols | PerfDave: as I said: if you want at 256. and together with AES-NI it shouldn't be a problem computation wise, so why not use it. of course you need a 256bit strong passphrase... |
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| 13:22.37 | syn3rgy | wols testing is using kernel 3.x.x. You know if this will be a problem? |
| 13:22.57 | wols | syn3rgy: no. you use a backports kernel (2.6.39 or so) |
| 13:23.06 | PerfDave | wols: Apart from the possibility that 256 may be weaker than 128... |
| 13:23.15 | syn3rgy | wols thx =) |
| 13:23.23 | babilen | !tell syn3rgy -about bdo kernel |
| 13:23.45 | wols | babilen: so you run your toy with squeeze now? |
| 13:23.52 | babilen | wols: no |
| 13:24.08 | wols | the lure of testing was too strong or you don't want to reinstall? |
| 13:24.22 | babilen | enjoys sid |
| 13:24.38 | wols | ah, life on the wild side |
| 13:24.39 | babilen | testing was never meant to be used by end users fwiw |
| 13:24.50 | babilen | wols: indeed :) |
| 13:24.58 | wols | ah, but sid was? |
| 13:25.34 | babilen | wols: Rather than testing, yes. Not in production and only for development boxes though |
| 13:25.36 | wols | note: sooner or later my own debian installs all end on sid too. soon afterwards a greatly outdated sid too, usually... |
| 13:26.15 | babilen | wols: But opinions differ within the community (about testing) |
| 13:27.07 | SkilZ | How can I find out about my LG 50" FullHD Plasma tv, the software is opensource linux apparently I want to know what I can do with it like ssh ect |
| 13:27.12 | unkmar | mikeee1: fixed yet? |
| 13:27.31 | SkilZ | Didn't know where else to ask |
| 13:27.31 | syn3rgy | OK guys I am a bit confused here. Its works like this right "experimental -> unstable -> testing -> stable" ? |
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| 13:27.46 | wols | SkilZ: unless it runs debian, this is the wrong place. ask in AV forums |
| 13:27.59 | wols | syn3rgy: usually yes |
| 13:28.01 | SkilZ | wols: I don't know what it runs |
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| 13:28.11 | morsik | hello |
| 13:28.25 | wols | SkilZ: we don't know either but it's not debian so we don't care |
| 13:28.30 | morsik | i just installed git-daemon-run and i can't see any binary like git-daemon or /etc/init.d/git-daemon |
| 13:28.41 | syn3rgy | wols thx, do you run testing too and if so have you run into any problems? So far I never have. |
| 13:28.46 | unkmar | syn3rgy: you missed |
| 13:28.46 | wols | morsik: dpkg -L <package name> |grep bin |
| 13:28.54 | unkmar | syn3rgy: you missed "stable -> oldstable" |
| 13:28.59 | babilen | syn3rgy: No, it works unstable -> testing -> stable and experimental is kind os a playground |
| 13:29.45 | morsik | wols: strange... no binaries :o |
| 13:29.47 | unkmar | eh, oldstable is in there somewhere. Cause that is what I am stuck with for my laptop. :( Unless I want to loose most all my features. |
| 13:29.51 | morsik | only some files in /etc and /usr/share |
| 13:30.05 | syn3rgy | babilen I thought experimental was just to even see if that code was half interesting. Often dropped. |
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| 13:31.56 | morsik | ah... git-daemon is in /usr/lib/git-core/git-daemon |
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| 13:33.11 | babilen | syn3rgy: Yes, it is a playground where packages are uploaded that are not deemed ready for unstable (and hence testing) or packages that are made available to other DDs to test the interplay. This changes a bit when testing as frozen as new packages are also typically uploaded to exp as sid is "slushy" |
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| 13:36.52 | syn3rgy | One thing I would LOVE to see in Debian is the trunk version of GRUB2. I have compiled my own. This way I can use full system encryption (including initrd, boot, kernel) using AES256-XTC on the fly. The problem with "todays" way of doing it is that boot is not encrypted. This would be the same as using TrueCrypt for total system encryption. |
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| 13:38.21 | blubberdiblub | syn3rgy, why do you want /boot encrypted? is there anything confidential in there? |
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| 13:39.03 | ham5 | sounds like more trouble then its worth for sure |
| 13:39.48 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZb8N3_wEqY |
| 13:40.38 | babilen | Agiofws: Wrong channel? Please keep things like this in #d-offtopic or #defocus |
| 13:40.55 | Agiofws | yes sorry |
| 13:41.31 | ham5 | ya that stuff was hella gey |
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| 13:44.58 | wols | syn3rgy: will take until wheezy at least |
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| 13:45.37 | markitoxs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.20 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Define completely unresponsive - does <return>~. etc. still work? |
| 13:46.23 | rozie | markitoxs: what's the load on the machine? |
| 13:46.39 | Agiofws | markitoxs, bandwidth ? try use the -z option or some compress option that ssh has |
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| 13:47.24 | markitoxs | PerfDave, return does not respond, neither ctrl+c , neither ctrl+z, nothing at alll.. |
| 13:47.32 | syn3rgy | blubberdiblus has to do with the way LUKs (Linux Unified Keys) works. If an attacker were to replace your bootloader with their own, or redirect the boot process to boot their own code, your system can still be compromised. |
| 13:47.42 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Does the key sequence I just outlined work or not? |
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| 13:48.53 | syn3rgy | wols I keep my eyes out of that. I am working quite a bit with GRUB2. There is now working code for LUks in the baz trunk. |
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| 13:50.21 | PerfDave | syn3rgy: How does having /boot encrypted protect against an attacker replacing your bootloader? |
| 13:50.36 | markitoxs | PerfDave, i dont think so, unless im doing that sequence, wrong... |
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| 13:50.45 | petern_ | markitoxs, incorrect mtu? |
| 13:50.54 | markitoxs | Agiofws, we are sitting on a 20Mb EFM |
| 13:50.57 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Try it on a system that isn't "hanging" :) |
| 13:51.29 | markitoxs | petern_, thatsa good idea actually, however "watch ls" works fine |
| 13:51.46 | markitoxs | PerfDave, sorry to be a bit thick today but... return ~ . ? |
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| 13:52.04 | syn3rgy | PerfDave Grub is in /boot and if boot is encrypted...well. As things are now /boot can not be encrypted. |
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| 13:52.28 | PerfDave | syn3rgy: No, your bootloader is in the boot sector of your hard drive. |
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| 13:53.17 | PerfDave | I can stick a r00ted version of Grub onto your boot sector which decrypts your hard drive and then installs a backdoor before booting your kernel :) |
| 13:53.27 | mikeee1 | wols: too bad, cant install it because it depends on other packages, and those packages depends on another ones... |
| 13:53.28 | wols | PerfDave: not with (U)EFI :) |
| 13:53.33 | mikeee1 | bzip2 libs etc |
| 13:53.34 | gusto | hey |
| 13:54.02 | wols | mikeee1: use a VM on your current system. a small debian install is done in 30 minutes tops under Virtuablox |
| 13:54.04 | syn3rgy | that is 512 bytes for MBR that get loaded into RAM by the BIOS. That in turn start GRUB. True that can not be encrypted or BIOS can't read it. |
| 13:54.07 | wols | *virtualbox |
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| 13:54.25 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Yes, <return> as in the return key, then ~ . |
| 13:54.47 | wols | mikeee1: Depends: b43-fwcutter (>= 1:014-5), bzip2, wget : libc6 (>= 2.1) |
| 13:54.49 | markitoxs | PerfDave, yeah, same thing, nothing |
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| 13:54.54 | babilen | mikeee1: If you are referring to firmware-b43-installer -- that won't help anyway as I've explained above. |
| 13:54.58 | markitoxs | PerfDave, it does work for other hosts though |
| 13:55.06 | gusto | this debian torrents suck! i just wanted to download the 22.august2011 testing dvd images through bittorrent but it doesnt work w/ DHT, he finds no one and the tracker says, that i am not allowed to use that tracker, what am i doing wrong, do i have to say the tracker somehow that i am there? |
| 13:55.11 | wols | hardly a problematic dependency list. bzip2 and wget should be part of the base install |
| 13:55.16 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.21 | PerfDave | markitoxs: OK, so it's actually the SSH process that's hanging, not whatever you're viewing within the SSH connection |
| 13:55.38 | wols | gusto: get it via http/ftp. mirrors are plenty fast |
| 13:55.52 | gusto | wols: well, for testing weekly builds? |
| 13:55.55 | markitoxs | Agiofws, yeah, its not badnwith... |
| 13:55.56 | Agiofws | maybe too many processes and top can't handle that ? |
| 13:56.02 | gusto | wols: i could not find any on the web... |
| 13:56.02 | markitoxs | load is 0.0 |
| 13:56.08 | Agiofws | which is a stupid assumption .. |
| 13:56.11 | markitoxs | lol |
| 13:56.24 | markitoxs | any assumption is valid... at this stage im willing to considfer anything |
| 13:56.44 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Try "ssh -e none" to that host |
| 13:57.08 | mikeee1 | babilen: hmm i've tried that yes |
| 13:57.22 | mikeee1 | wols: can i "move" that vm to a host then? |
| 13:57.41 | markitoxs | PerfDave, unfortunately same behaviour |
| 13:57.53 | babilen | mikeee1: You need to extract the firmware on another box and copy it manually to /lib/firmware -- The means to do so really depend on the systems you have available. I would say the easiest way is to use ethernet on the target box, or use fwcutter on another (probably within a VM) |
| 13:58.08 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Does the <return>~. thing work on the problematic host *before* you run top? |
| 13:58.17 | markitoxs | letme check |
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| 13:58.24 | markitoxs | yes it does |
| 13:58.30 | markitoxs | logged out correctly |
| 13:59.07 | PerfDave | markitoxs: OK, so something in the output of "top" is actually breaking the ssh session itself. That's highly weird. What are you SSHing *from*? Some sort of X terminal? |
| 13:59.08 | wols | mikeee1: you can move the firmware file to your host |
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| 13:59.31 | markitoxs | well, tried so far from different hosts |
| 13:59.46 | markitoxs | including ubutu servers, mac os, osx servers, debian boxex, centos... etc |
| 14:00.11 | PerfDave | markitoxs: As in sat at the consoles of said things rather than SSHing into them and then sshing on? |
| 14:00.13 | markitoxs | PerfDave, whats weird is that top and history show this behavior, but watch ls doesnt... |
| 14:00.13 | Agiofws | can you try telneting into your host ? and then running top ? |
| 14:00.33 | Agiofws | if that even exists .... now days ? |
| 14:00.34 | mikeee1 | babilen i'll try to setup a vm then. on my win boc |
| 14:00.35 | mikeee1 | x |
| 14:00.50 | markitoxs | PerfDave, only had one direct ssh connection, and that is the box im sitting on at the moment |
| 14:00.55 | markitoxs | well 2 |
| 14:01.06 | markitoxs | one ubuntu desktop client, and one mac os |
| 14:01.16 | PerfDave | markitoxs: I'm not sure what you mean |
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| 14:01.40 | markitoxs | ive only sat at two boxes to test this |
| 14:01.59 | markitoxs | the other tests were sshing into other boxes, and the sshing on |
| 14:02.05 | markitoxs | *then |
| 14:02.14 | PerfDave | Yeah, I don't think that's a valid test |
| 14:02.44 | PerfDave | If the <return>~. escape isn't working, then it's nothing on the server you're SSH'd into which is problematic. |
| 14:02.50 | PerfDave | Hang on... |
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| 14:03.17 | PerfDave | markitoxs: If you're SSH'd from your desktop, into another machine, then SSH'd into the problematic host, <return>~. *still* doesn't work? |
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| 14:03.24 | syn3rgy | markitoxs if the powers that may be are listening. Please don't put any of that Unity, Mac, Winows 8 desktop GUI stuff into Debian! That stuff is a joke |
| 14:03.33 | EvilGuru | If I roll and install my own kernel (through a .deb) how can I get apt to recompile all of the necessary modules for that kernel? |
| 14:04.23 | babilen | mikeee1: You can probably also compile fwcutter on windows and use it there -- See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 for details about b43 -- I expect some serious cursing of broadcom! |
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| 14:04.53 | babilen | mikeee1: But a VM might be easier if you have the software on Windows. |
| 14:04.55 | markitoxs | PerfDave, that DOES work, it does log me out |
| 14:05.14 | PerfDave | markitoxs: But it takes you back to the prompt of the local host, right? |
| 14:05.18 | babilen | syn3rgy: Unity will be packaged for Debian |
| 14:05.20 | markitoxs | PerfDave, correct |
| 14:05.48 | PerfDave | markitoxs: OK, so if you do that again (desktop -> intermediary -> problem host) and then try <return>~~. what happens? (note two ~s) |
| 14:05.50 | babilen | syn3rgy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 -- Why shouldn't it? |
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| 14:06.40 | markitoxs | PerfDave, logged out, and I am on the intermediary machine |
| 14:06.50 | syn3rgy | babilen I am crying. Have you tried Ubuntu with it. It mega sucks. Sure my mom would love it but I am a developer and need a serious work station. |
| 14:07.21 | PerfDave | markitoxs: But do you see the "hanging" behaviour when ssh'd into the problematic host by an intermediary? |
| 14:07.27 | babilen | syn3rgy: So use the desktop environment or window manager you are comfortable with. I still don't see a reason why unity shouldn't be packaged for Debian. |
| 14:07.37 | PerfDave | s/by/via/ |
| 14:07.53 | markitoxs | PerfDave, yes, and I cant return ~. |
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| 14:08.21 | markitoxs | PerfDave, or double ~ |
| 14:08.30 | PerfDave | markitoxs: I thought you just said you could? |
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| 14:08.56 | markitoxs | i can escape before running top correctly |
| 14:08.56 | syn3rgy | babilen I am even worried where Gnome 3 is heading. They are feeling the "multi media" pressure of tablets and portable devises too. |
| 14:09.06 | markitoxs | PerfDave, once I run top, I cant |
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| 14:09.33 | markitoxs | PerfDave, sorry if I confused you |
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| 14:10.03 | babilen | syn3rgy: You are free to use whatever alternative you like or participate in Gnome's development. But this is getting a bit off-topic :) |
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| 14:10.46 | PerfDave | markitoxs: OK |
| 14:11.16 | PerfDave | markitoxs: My current guess is that running top on the problematic host, for some reason, is causing the xterm or whatever you're starting out from on your desktop to hang. |
| 14:11.30 | PerfDave | Perhaps you've got a process with a wierd character in its name or soemthing, I don't know. |
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| 14:12.00 | syn3rgy | babilen I do help in Gnomes development. There are a lot of voices though that are putting pressure to on them. Mark Shuttleworth being one of them =/ |
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| 14:13.55 | babilen | syn3rgy: I understand your sentiment and share it. I have long abandoned DEs and use minimal window managers, but I personally like Gnome3. I haven't had much time to play with it and would sincerely miss the keyboard navigation, but I actually like the look and feel. Unity on the other hand ... |
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| 14:14.18 | pbase | resolved the bluetooth issue. We all should pull our hair. Figured out that unless bluetooth is made working (enabled) in windows, it won't work in linux. Its kind of stupid and bullying |
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| 14:14.55 | DanielDebian | Hello. Does the output of the uptime command show the load in the [0-1] range -- e.g. 0.42 means that the server load is 42%? |
| 14:14.57 | fenugreek | pbase: that's a specific hardware issue |
| 14:15.03 | The98 | Hi, I need help to set up a static network: http://paste.debian.net/127000/ |
| 14:15.07 | fenugreek | my friend's toshiba is like that |
| 14:15.15 | fenugreek | there's some software for toggling it, but it doesn't cover all models |
| 14:15.54 | pbase | fenugreek: no.. beliee me I have been trying to get it up for over 2 weeks now.. I reistalled the windows drivers and left it enabled. cheked in linux and now it works |
| 14:15.56 | DanielDebian | It might seem a simple question but haven't found any clear answer to that; my uptime is 0.01-0.40 most of the time, but I've seen values of 3 and 7! |
| 14:15.57 | wols | DanielDebian: not really. "load" is pretty meaningless realtime. e.g you have have a load of tens |
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| 14:16.27 | wols | DanielDebian: it shows how many tasks are waiting for a timeslice of the CPU |
| 14:16.27 | babilen | The98: It would help if you could paste your /etc/network/interfaces configuration and explain what exactly the problem is you are trying to solve. |
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| 14:16.55 | DanielDebian | wols: what then 0.42 mean? |
| 14:17.12 | fenugreek | pbase: I was agreeing with you |
| 14:17.12 | wols | DanielDebian: 0.42 tasks (on average) |
| 14:17.21 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Are you SSHing from a screen session or something like that on your desktop? |
| 14:17.22 | DanielDebian | wols: and what is the max load my server can hold? |
| 14:17.23 | pbase | where do I report the working hardware? |
| 14:18.07 | pbase | fenugreek: yeah I got it a little later. missed your second and third sentences |
| 14:18.27 | PerfDave | DanielDebian: Infinity :) |
| 14:18.31 | Trewas | DanielDebian: maximum number of processes it could run, somewhere in the thousands at least |
| 14:18.43 | PerfDave | Well, probably something like 32000 |
| 14:18.44 | The98 | babilen, the problem is that I've configured a static network in interfaces (I'll paste it in a sec) but it does not work, so I had to run dhclient |
| 14:19.03 | babilen | The98: What does not work? |
| 14:19.16 | abrotman | DanielDebian: you forgot to ask how it calculates "load" |
| 14:19.18 | The98 | you can see the difference running ifconfig with the default config I've set up, and dhclient, babilen |
| 14:19.19 | markitoxs | PerfDave, no, just a normal session, the dodgy character must be an option, let me check ps -ef |
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| 14:19.46 | The98 | ifconfig output is the same, with the exception of this line: inet6 addr: fe80::a800:4ff:fe00:a04/64 Scope:Link |
| 14:19.54 | babilen | yes, so? |
| 14:19.55 | DanielDebian | abrotman: in a quite meaningless way I suppose :) |
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| 14:20.16 | abrotman | DanielDebian: IIRC, it's the average number of processes waiting for a slot .. but I can't recall |
| 14:20.22 | abrotman | wait .. that didn't make sense |
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| 14:20.30 | abrotman | IIRC .. yes .. but I could be wrong :) |
| 14:20.31 | markitoxs | PerfDave, no luck, ps -ef works ok |
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| 14:20.44 | The98 | http://paste.debian.net/127003/ |
| 14:20.50 | PerfDave | markitoxs: What terminal are you SSHing from |
| 14:21.00 | markitoxs | on this machine its gnome-terminal |
| 14:21.07 | markitoxs | i also have a local mac osx |
| 14:21.15 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Try from xterm or something? |
| 14:21.19 | DanielDebian | abrotman: thanks for your answers. Is there a tool I can use to check the real load on my server, and see when it's brought to its knees? |
| 14:21.22 | DanielDebian | wols: thanks |
| 14:21.24 | pbase | the hardware specs say that my machine can support two monitors. how do I do that? and can I use the screen of another laptop to interface? |
| 14:21.28 | hid | Hi, do you think debian may be used by a newby ? |
| 14:21.40 | DanielDebian | hid: sure :) |
| 14:21.43 | hid | Ubuntu is always crashing at home and... |
| 14:21.49 | babilen | The98: ok, and what is the problem? |
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| 14:21.59 | abrotman | hid: i was a newb when i installed it .. like 13 years ago :) |
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| 14:22.08 | DanielDebian | hid: i think debian is even simpler than ubuntu |
| 14:22.11 | abrotman | DanielDebian: there are tools that can force your machine to run very hard |
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| 14:22.23 | abrotman | DanielDebian: what exactly are you trying to determine here? |
| 14:22.31 | fenugreek | 13 years from newb to abrotman |
| 14:22.35 | hid | DanielDebian: easier ?? |
| 14:22.40 | markitoxs | PerfDave, same issue |
| 14:22.43 | babilen | hid: Sure, there is plenty of documentation and we are more than willing to help. I would recommend it -- Read the installation guide and the Debian reference. You might also want to learn a bit about the command line. |
| 14:22.47 | babilen | !tell hid -about ig |
| 14:22.49 | babilen | !tell hid -about reference |
| 14:22.50 | niklaswe | hmm where can i find a default snmp.conf? |
| 14:22.53 | PerfDave | markitoxs: And same issue from the OS X desktop? |
| 14:22.58 | abrotman | fenugreek: realistically .. less time .. |
| 14:23.08 | fenugreek | heh |
| 14:23.14 | markitoxs | PerfDave, yes |
| 14:23.14 | babilen | !tell hid -about general cli tutorial |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | fenugreek: I should have signed up to be a DD back then :) |
| 14:23.29 | tylkas | DanielDebian, +100500 =] |
| 14:23.30 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Hmm, this is highly weird, and I must admit to being stumped. |
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| 14:24.02 | DanielDebian | abrotman: I have a squid webproxy that serves hundreds of users. It is a live env so I cannot do any crash test :) |
| 14:24.25 | fenugreek | abrotman: dev? |
| 14:24.29 | abrotman | DanielDebian: well, you kind of can .. you can run an 'ab' from inside to outside |
| 14:24.31 | The98 | babilen, the problem is that I get no internet connection |
| 14:24.34 | markitoxs | PerfDave, you are not alone in the feeling man... |
| 14:24.40 | abrotman | fenugreek: yes .. Debian Developer .. it was easier back then to become a DD |
| 14:25.05 | fenugreek | I bet |
| 14:25.05 | The98 | I had to run dhclient |
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| 14:25.22 | babilen | The98: Can you ping the gateway (by IP)? Can you ping other hosts on the internet such as 8.8.8.8? Does DNS work? |
| 14:25.27 | abrotman | DanielDebian: or run a spidering wget that backgrounds the processes |
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| 14:26.04 | markitoxs | PerfDave, Ive been stumped by this for a week now, and have absolutely no idea what is causing it... Im just missing going on site and do a top on the local machine... |
| 14:26.18 | markitoxs | OH |
| 14:26.22 | The98 | babilen, if I do that now, I assume it's gonna work because I ran dhclient, but when I reboot, I can't access the router, I don't know if that helps |
| 14:26.24 | hid | DanielDebian: does ubuntu work as debian, or is it harder ? |
| 14:26.29 | markitoxs | PerfDave, , from xterm, return ~. works! |
| 14:27.06 | PerfDave | markitoxs: So from xterm, top hangs, but <return>~. works. From gnome-terminal, top hangs and <return>~. doesn't work? |
| 14:27.14 | PerfDave | (both ssh'd driectly from the desktop into the problem host) |
| 14:27.14 | markitoxs | PerfDave, correct |
| 14:27.30 | markitoxs | correct |
| 14:27.42 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Damnit, that makes things even *more* confusing :) |
| 14:27.50 | markitoxs | correct !!!! ROFL |
| 14:27.58 | babilen | The98: Why don't you use dhclient in the first place? (i.e. iface eth0 inet dhcp in /e/n/i) -- It is also hard to help you without knowing what works and what does not. |
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| 14:28.26 | PerfDave | markitoxs: And to double-check, <return>~. from gnome-terminal into the host works *before* you run top? |
| 14:28.42 | The98 | ok, babilen don't worry, thank you :) |
| 14:28.55 | Gremnon | got a misbehaving dpkg/apt - insists perl needs to be reconf'd, but libc6 needs to be reconf'd first - and that makes it spit out a lot of lines that mention perl, while appearing to do nothing, and now apt/itiude won't do anything because of this |
| 14:28.58 | DanielDebian | hid: basically all Linuxes work the same. |
| 14:29.04 | markitoxs | PerfDave, yes, it does work |
| 14:29.21 | mynis | does anyone know how I can make apt list the packages in a specific repo? i tried "apt-cache -t squeeze-backports pkgnames" and it didn't seem to work |
| 14:29.24 | babilen | The98: I mean: Why don't you configure the interface with DHCP in the first place? How do you test if it works? |
| 14:29.46 | The98 | babilen, it works with dhcp (it's commented in my interfaces file) |
| 14:29.59 | babilen | The98: So why don't you use that? |
| 14:30.15 | PerfDave | markitoxs: So something about running top not only freezes the output no matter where you're SSH'd from, and *also* freezes gnome-terminal, but not xterm. |
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| 14:30.40 | markitoxs | PerfDave, whats interesting is that another command, such as history will present the same behaviour |
| 14:30.53 | The98 | I'm using that, because the other method doesn't work. I just wanted to know what I was doing wrong, babilen |
| 14:31.03 | The98 | I mean, it should work |
| 14:31.04 | DanielDebian | hid: I find the Ubuntu GUI a bit too much simplicistic, in the meaning that it tries to hide the engines and gears to the user. I found the network config confusing in Ubuntu |
| 14:31.14 | fenugreek | DanielDebian: yes? |
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| 14:32.12 | babilen | The98: My intuition is that you forgot to configure DNS and that "ping 8.8.8.8" would work, but "ping www.google.com" would not -- But I need more information about it. (See my initial set of questions) -- No idea why you want a static configuration though. |
| 14:32.37 | fenugreek | oh, wrong person =) |
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| 14:32.40 | The98 | babilen, isn't DNS configured with resolvconf package? |
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| 14:32.52 | fenugreek | hid3: Ubuntu is based off Debian, so much is the same, but you'd probably find Debian more stable |
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| 14:33.32 | babilen | The98: You can, for example, configure it with dns-nameserver lines in /e/n/i or in /etc/resolv.conf (if resolvconf is not meddling with it) -- but right now we don't even know if DNS is the problem. |
| 14:33.32 | DanielDebian | hid: Debian is a very good distro to start with, both for the newbie and for the superuser. And debian looks definitely better than ubuntu in your CV :) |
| 14:33.46 | babilen | DanielDebian: heh |
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| 14:34.08 | pbase | is it possible to use the screens of two laptops in one of them? |
| 14:34.09 | DanielDebian | bye folks, signing off now. Thanks a lot |
| 14:34.13 | The98 | I haven't touched DNS, so it might be the problem, babilen |
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| 14:34.34 | markitoxs | PerfDave, at this stage i wonder if this might be an MTU issue |
| 14:35.06 | markitoxs | as they previously suggested |
| 14:35.10 | PerfDave | markitoxs: If it affects one xterminal but not another? |
| 14:35.11 | karlpinc | There's an iceweasel update to stable today. Is there an apt tool I can use that will tell me, before I update, why there's an update? |
| 14:35.13 | babilen | The98: So please investigate that -- Try "ping YOUR_GATEWAY_IP" then "ping 4.2.2.4" ... followed by "nslookup google.com" and/or "ping www.google.com" and so on .. |
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| 14:35.29 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Or do you think the ssh escape problem might be a side-effect of the freezing issue? |
| 14:35.32 | markitoxs | maybe xterminal is more robust versus mtu issues? |
| 14:35.39 | The98 | ok, I'll ifdown and try that |
| 14:35.59 | babilen | The98: If the first two work, but the latter two don't: Edit /etc/resolv.conf and replace the content in there (if any) with "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and try again .. |
| 14:36.22 | markitoxs | PerfDave, and it indeed does! |
| 14:36.39 | markitoxs | petern_, was absolutely right on this! |
| 14:36.45 | karlpinc | babilen: Some of google's ips don't have reverse dns, so if you don't use -n when pinging you get long reverse resolution delays. |
| 14:36.57 | The98 | WTF? Why can't I access the internet, but IRC still work? babilen, that's not right |
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| 14:37.10 | babilen | heh |
| 14:37.25 | The98 | oh, no, now I got a connection |
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| 14:37.31 | markitoxs | PerfDave, setting the mtu to 1450 fixed this. Thats the mistery solved |
| 14:37.33 | babilen | The98: Try "ping 4.2.2.4" and "ping YOUR_GATEWAY" -- do you receive replies? |
| 14:37.45 | markitoxs | petern_, thanks for pointing that out |
| 14:37.48 | PerfDave | markitoxs: Well, part of the mystery ;) |
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| 14:38.04 | babilen | karlpinc: ta :) |
| 14:38.21 | The98 | I think dhclient generates a file that makes it work no matter what you do next |
| 14:38.36 | markitoxs | PerfDave, you still wondering why gnome-terminalhangs, arent you? |
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| 14:38.55 | PerfDave | markitoxs: yes |
| 14:39.07 | mynis | karlpinc: try apt-listbugs maybe? |
| 14:39.09 | PerfDave | markitoxs: I mean, I'm happy to write it off to Gnome being a steaming pile, but it's still curious :) |
| 14:39.51 | Eleth | Had a server lockup over the weekend. Wondering if someone could help me pinpoint where in the kernel things went wrong (RAID driver? XFS filesystem? Somewhere else?) kernel log is here http://pastebin.com/iFnMY6XM |
| 14:40.29 | Eleth | Oh yeah it's a Squeeze on a Dell R510 - Up to date on all packages. We were rsyncing to a 31TB XFS volume when it happened. |
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| 14:41.37 | tonsofpcs | define "lockup" |
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| 14:42.09 | Eleth | BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 61s! [kswapd1:80] |
| 14:42.10 | karlpinc | mynis: Plausable. But I can't read the man page until I'm done updating iceweasel. :-) However, I don't want stuff from the bts, but from the dsa db. |
| 14:42.28 | tonsofpcs | also, it looks like the problems started before that point in the logs.... you might want to look back fiurther |
| 14:42.36 | tonsofpcs | maybe even cross-reference the other log files you have. |
| 14:42.50 | markitoxs | PerfDave, thanks for your time and effort anyway :) Im willing to blame it on gnome :D |
| 14:42.52 | Eleth | tonsofpcs, Unfortunately the other admin powercycled the box. This is all the logs I have :/ |
| 14:43.10 | Eleth | I got in to find a note in my email saying OMG SEERVER LOOKCED UP! |
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| 14:43.24 | PerfDave | markitoxs: No worries :) |
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| 14:43.45 | tonsofpcs | Eleth: you don't have syslog or messages? |
| 14:43.47 | Eleth | Now I'm trying to figure out if it was actually a true locked. kswapd getting stuck for over a minute doen't look good though |
| 14:43.48 | karlpinc | Eleth: I always like to run hardware diagnostics after such an event. memtest86+ mostly. But that takes the box offline. |
| 14:43.50 | tonsofpcs | or debug or dmesg or ... |
| 14:43.51 | petern_ | heh |
| 14:43.52 | Gremnon | got a misbehaving dpkg/apt - insists perl needs to be reconf'd, but libc6 needs to be reconf'd first - and that makes it spit out a lot of lines that mention perl, while appearing to do nothing, and now apt/itiude won't do anything because of this |
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| 14:44.10 | Eleth | tonsofpcs, that's the extent of the kern.log |
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| 14:46.10 | tonsofpcs | Eleth: what symptoms did he see that prompted him to shut it off? what prompted him to turn it back on 90 minutes later? |
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| 14:46.59 | themill | dpkg: tell Gremnon about bat |
| 14:47.01 | Eleth | tonsofpcs, Console full of "lockup" messages. He turned it back on becasue he couldn't think of anything else to do |
| 14:47.16 | themill | Gremnon: can you provide *lots* more information? |
| 14:47.24 | tonsofpcs | Eleth: well, I'm guessing that the "lockup" was "the processor is busy doing other things" |
| 14:47.54 | Gremnon | themill: about all I can give you us the perl lines that dpkg spits out; the console scollback of anything before it gets cut off almost immediately with repeats of it |
| 14:47.56 | sturmer | hi, I think there's a bug in enchant (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546418) that was fixed with a recent release without the bug report being closed. do you know how can I report this? |
| 14:48.10 | karlpinc | mynis: Nope. apt-listbugs isn't it. Oh well. Thanks anyway. |
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| 14:48.36 | karlpinc | Eleth: You could setup a serial console so if it happens again you've got logs. |
| 14:48.37 | Eleth | tonsofpcs, Weird though as it's a E5606 Xeon that wasn't doing anything else except rsyncing. All we were doing was transferring files |
| 14:48.42 | tonsofpcs | Eleth: if you note, "soft lockup" there describes a lack of response for 61 seconds. It's possible that it was just busy handling sync processes, as it doesn't appear that the system was actually unresponsive. |
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| 14:48.51 | tonsofpcs | and it's only proc #1. |
| 14:49.03 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 14:49.04 | HardDisk_WP | can I programmatically extract the changelog file from a .deb package? |
| 14:49.19 | themill | Gremnon: use script to record the session: script -c "aptitude -f install". |
| 14:49.27 | karlpinc | HardDisk_WP: Yes. .debs are 'ar' files. |
| 14:49.36 | themill | HardDisk_WP: apt-listchanges can be used or that; there are plenty of other ways |
| 14:49.46 | tonsofpcs | again, look at your other logs. |
| 14:49.57 | Eleth | karlpinc, I prob would have had more logs if he hadn't panicked :) |
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| 14:50.13 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 14:50.28 | tonsofpcs | Eleth: stop staring at the kernel logs, go look at the other system logs |
| 14:50.33 | tonsofpcs | cd /var/log and start reading. |
| 14:50.41 | Eleth | Nothing there of note. |
| 14:51.04 | Eleth | messages is just pretty much a copy of kern.log. System was doing nothing else. |
| 14:51.23 | tonsofpcs | any logs for your sync process? Maybe you can 'measure' a slowdown based on timestamps/activity? |
| 14:51.55 | Eleth | Good idea. He was doing the sync from another system. I'll go chase hime up. I'll also set up the serial console |
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| 14:52.40 | tonsofpcs | check the logs on that system too. You do log remote access, right? |
| 14:53.12 | Pinchiukas | jelly: I guess first I'd try a 'stable' version and then the newest. :) |
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| 14:54.53 | Gremnon | oddly, dpkg isn't giving me the line any more... just reconf'd both perl and itself without trouble. now synaptic is complaining about a locked download directory |
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| 14:57.34 | Pinchiukas | Would a Xen image boot on a non-xen hardware machine? |
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| 14:59.13 | me-alone | hi is lenny still supported..? |
| 14:59.22 | Pinchiukas | Think so... |
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| 14:59.37 | abrotman | me-alone: for another six months or so .. you should be using squeeze |
| 14:59.48 | lord_rob | you mean woody ? |
| 14:59.53 | Pinchiukas | lol |
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| 15:00.12 | lord_rob | </sorry> |
| 15:01.24 | Gremnon | themill: thought it'd stopped, but apparently not, doing it again... tried to pastebin the output from script, except the browser crashes. problem output line is as follows though: Use of uninitialized value $text in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm line 101, <GEN1> line 5. substr outside of string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm line 130, <GEN1> line 5. |
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| 15:02.19 | themill | Gremnon: hmm... we saw that one a few days ago but I don't know that we ever solved it. Can you describe how you got the machine into this state? (/msg dpkg bat ...) |
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| 15:02.48 | Gremnon | themill: I ran 'aptitude update && aptitude upgrade' this morning |
| 15:02.50 | Gremnon | that's all |
| 15:03.00 | me-alone | abrotman, i am using squeeze . but i am thinking to install leny a very old laptop |
| 15:03.07 | themill | Gremnon: upgrading from what to what? |
| 15:03.27 | abrotman | me-alone: just use squeeze |
| 15:03.49 | Gremnon | themill: not from or to anything, it's running wheezy, and was fine until I issued that command this morning for a usual weekly update |
| 15:04.14 | me-alone | abrotman, I doubt it will run on a PII with 128 ram |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | i bet it will |
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| 15:04.30 | abrotman | what owuld you like to bet |
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| 15:04.39 | themill | Gremnon: so from wheezy last week to wheezy today then. I don't think you'd even told us you were running wheezy yet... |
| 15:04.40 | me-alone | you sure? |
| 15:05.30 | Gremnon | themill: I didn't think it mattered actually... I've never found debian testing gave me any trouble, so I've always run it |
| 15:05.34 | abrotman | me-alone: those specs are fine .. other incompatibilities can happen with any release .. and any hardware |
| 15:06.57 | me-alone | abrotman, that hardware is fine with lnix ( slitaz) how much swap i need |
| 15:07.06 | abrotman | as much as you want |
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| 15:07.22 | me-alone | 256 is fine..? |
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| 15:09.03 | Gremnon | themill: think I've found the solution to the problem though |
| 15:09.53 | Gremnon | from the /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory as root, run 'dpkg -i perl-base_5.10.1-17squeeze2_i386.deb' then dpkg -i libperl5.10_5.10.1-17squeeze2_i386.deb' |
| 15:10.00 | Gremnon | stops that annoying line from appearing |
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| 15:10.12 | themill | Gremnon: umm... that's not a wheezy machine |
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| 15:10.38 | Gremnon | themill: I beg to differ, gnome-system-monitor tells me otherwise |
| 15:11.08 | Gremnon | hmm, though I can see why it appears to be so |
| 15:11.09 | Gremnon | odd |
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| 15:11.23 | themill | Gremnon: well if you've got that version of perl, you have a hopeless mess of squeeze and wheezy and that is why you're got problems |
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| 15:11.44 | me-alone | Gremnon, I think its fine now . i am using 256 mb as swap |
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| 15:12.12 | Gremnon | I don't recall adding any squeeze repositories though, think I'll ask the other users if they were trying to do anything stupid |
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| 15:14.20 | The98 | babilen, pinging 8.8.8.8, DNS and 4.2.2.4, receives and transmits information |
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| 15:16.10 | The98 | I'm sorry, not DNS, Gateaway, babilen |
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| 15:20.36 | hid | dpkg: can you resend me the precedent links concerning things I have to know with Linux please ? |
| 15:20.36 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, hid |
| 15:20.56 | petemc | hid: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 15:22.10 | hid | thank you petemc |
| 15:22.26 | petemc | np |
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| 15:22.54 | jelly | no morons :-| |
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| 15:23.55 | tylkas | The98, may be this help? http://pastebin.com/PS8qtRTG |
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| 15:24.53 | babilen | The98: Ok, and does DNS work? |
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| 15:26.29 | dimadima | hmm |
| 15:26.33 | lapsusbrutus | It would be nice if someone added srm (secure remove) to the repos :) Today it would have been a handy tool, but not needed very often I guess |
| 15:26.51 | petemc | there are tools to do that already available |
| 15:26.57 | tylkas | wow.. sorry. The98 if script return "Try:... " it's mean, that yous 53 tcp/udp blocked |
| 15:27.05 | twobitsprite | http://paste.debian.net/127010/ |
| 15:27.31 | lapsusbrutus | petemc: ohh cool, couldnt find them , you remeber any names? |
| 15:27.36 | twobitsprite | for some reason when I try to start nslcd with the init script it segfaults, but when I start it manually it just dies without reporting a segfault... |
| 15:27.39 | petemc | lapsusbrutus: shred is one |
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| 15:28.48 | lapsusbrutus | ooh.. ok I misunderstood it then.. shred is nice I thougt srm was like scp but removing :p |
| 15:29.03 | lapsusbrutus | then never mind, shred is great :) |
| 15:29.06 | petemc | lapsusbrutus: i guessed at what srm was, btw |
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| 15:29.42 | lapsusbrutus | hmm I think your right anyway.. hmm ill check :) |
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| 15:30.40 | lapsusbrutus | looks like its kindof like shred.. darn :p |
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| 15:31.15 | trnzmeta | nite all |
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| 15:36.18 | The98 | babilen, how do I ping DNS? |
| 15:36.31 | abrotman | ping the IP address of the server? |
| 15:36.53 | The98 | then yes, but I need to add -b |
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| 15:37.23 | fishsponge_ | any idea when icedove6 will be and iceweasel6 will be in the repos? |
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| 15:37.51 | The98 | fishsponge_, iceweasel 6 is in experimental |
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| 15:37.57 | jhutchins_lt | !mdo |
| 15:38.07 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, we'lll have to add that. |
| 15:38.12 | themill | !mdn |
| 15:38.13 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 15:38.17 | themill | jhutchins_lt: or just get it right... |
| 15:38.26 | The98 | I'll try tylkas script, I'll be reight back |
| 15:38.28 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
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| 15:38.36 | fishsponge_ | how icedove? |
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| 15:39.04 | babilen | The98: No, I meant: Can you use DNS .. e.g. does "ping -n www.google.com" work? What about "nslookup google.com 8.8.8.8" ? |
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| 15:39.07 | fishsponge_ | how about icedove? ...i meant. is that in experimental as well? |
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| 15:39.41 | babilen | The98: Please test that *before* you follow tylkas advice to hardcode 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:40.18 | th0r | babilen: I use ping google.com a lot to verify connectivity |
| 15:40.19 | tylkas | babilen, some fix.. 2 sec |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | The98: but he should use it from mozilla.debian.net |
| 15:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | fishsponge_: Have a look at that page. |
| 15:40.46 | The98 | the script went ok, babilen and tylkas |
| 15:40.55 | babilen | th0r: same here |
| 15:40.58 | The98 | abrotman, why is that? experimental works ok for me |
| 15:41.25 | fishsponge_ | k, thanks! |
| 15:41.29 | abrotman | The98: because .. there may be other changes he doesn't want in ther |
| 15:41.30 | abrotman | there |
| 15:41.53 | babilen | The98: Ok, but does it work *before* ??? It is most likely a dns issue -- configure it (e.g. with dns-nameserver in /e/n/i) to your taste. You can use 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.4 if you don't have another DNS server you prefer |
| 15:42.20 | The98 | ok, babilen, I'm gonna try that |
| 15:42.33 | The98 | weird stuff going on, I mean |
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| 15:42.44 | The98 | irc channel is working, but I get no internet |
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| 15:43.45 | The98 | and there's a line in ifconfig's output that when running interfaces at boot sequence is present, but after running dhcp, and then running static Ip method again, it's not there |
| 15:44.04 | babilen | The98: The whole point of the excercise was to figure out what is wrong -- You apparently solved the issue, but we still haven't established that missing/wrong DNS configuration is actually the problem. I very much think it is though ... so add something like "dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 4.2.2.4" to your eth0 stanza in /e/n/i |
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| 15:44.48 | The98 | added... I'll reboot to make sure it works ok |
| 15:44.57 | babilen | The98: ok |
| 15:46.26 | tylkas | ready http://pastebin.com/h68KeVhR |
| 15:46.35 | tylkas | damn.. his gone =( |
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| 15:47.07 | The98 | ok, that worked, babilen |
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| 15:48.59 | The98 | I don't understand something though... Isn't dns server something pre-established? Doesn't it depend on your internet provider? |
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| 15:53.02 | The98 | anyway, thank you all :) |
| 15:53.06 | tylkas | The98, depends on the provider. |
| 15:53.25 | The98 | tylkas, then whhy 8.8.8.8 is working? |
| 15:53.31 | tylkas | The98, try new script version =] (no change - just try) |
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| 15:53.58 | The98 | what script? |
| 15:54.02 | tylkas | The98, it is global DNS server |
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| 15:54.13 | tylkas | The98, http://pastebin.com/h68KeVhR |
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| 15:54.56 | The98 | DNS request is good > Let's try other DNS-server (input IP): |
| 15:55.07 | The98 | tylkas, that's ok, right? |
| 15:55.15 | tylkas | input dns from your provider |
| 15:55.22 | tylkas | IP of dns-server |
| 15:55.39 | The98 | I have no idea which it is |
| 15:55.41 | The98 | :{ |
| 15:55.43 | tylkas | hm' |
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| 15:55.55 | The98 | but it works this way, so... |
| 15:55.59 | The98 | what's the point? |
| 15:56.26 | tylkas | but.. provider must give you dns, isn't it ? |
| 15:56.56 | The98 | could it be possible to have dynamic dns? |
| 15:57.05 | tylkas | The98, why not |
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| 15:57.44 | wols | The98: the default is the one you get frm your provider, but sometimes provider have bad DNS or are filtering it, etc |
| 15:57.44 | The98 | but the dns server should always be the same? |
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| 15:58.19 | wols | you can use any other DNS if you know its IP and the server owner lets you connect. e.g. 8.8.8.8 from google |
| 15:58.27 | wols | no. anything you set |
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| 15:58.51 | tylkas | The98, very rare, when provider change IP of dns |
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| 15:59.10 | The98 | ok, the only way to find out is calling the provider |
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| 15:59.37 | tylkas | from this it was necessary to start heh |
| 15:59.38 | Bushmills | The98: or, use dig |
| 15:59.40 | yow | hi, does anyone know why i cannot use the hot keys provided by neither zhcon noe fbterm such as <Ctrl>+F1, etc. |
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| 16:00.33 | The98 | Bushmills, but now I'm using 8.8.8.8, so it's returning that |
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| 16:00.49 | The98 | maybe if I connect though dhcp and check resolv.conf? |
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| 16:01.13 | tylkas | The98, it is better to avoid 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf.. |
| 16:01.13 | wols | The98: your provider uses dhcp? |
| 16:01.29 | tylkas | The98, but sometimes it is only one way |
| 16:01.34 | wols | The98: how do you connect to the internet? no router? |
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| 16:02.01 | Bushmills | tylkas: you could, for example, install unbound or similar, and let your own machine resolve recursively |
| 16:02.03 | The98 | wols, I have a router that I bought, my provider uses a modem, but I think the router handles everything |
| 16:02.19 | Bushmills | sry, not tylkas |
| 16:02.29 | wols | routers generally do |
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| 16:04.15 | The98 | ok, wols, in that WAN section of the router I get 2 DNS servers |
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| 16:05.16 | tylkas | hm.. only one question. The98 router in bridge mode? Or you have own network home? |
| 16:05.32 | tylkas | *home network |
| 16:06.21 | yow | hi, does anyone know how can i modify the default debian linux console key bindings so that i can use the hot keys provided by zhcon or fbterm, or in fact, any other packages? |
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| 16:07.16 | The98 | tylkas, I think no bridge mode |
| 16:07.32 | The98 | otherwise a static IP configuration wouldn't work |
| 16:07.47 | tylkas | The98, so, you computer address like 192.168.1.2 (or else) ? |
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| 16:07.54 | The98 | tylkas, yes |
| 16:07.59 | tylkas | heh |
| 16:08.09 | The98 | why you ask? |
| 16:08.11 | tylkas | The98, tell router ip |
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| 16:08.48 | tylkas | *and model |
| 16:08.56 | The98 | 192.168.1.0 |
| 16:09.03 | tylkas | impossible |
| 16:09.17 | The98 | why? |
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| 16:09.19 | tylkas | maybe 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 16:09.24 | The98 | 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:09.30 | The98 | yeah, maybe :P |
| 16:09.34 | tylkas | and model? |
| 16:09.48 | The98 | TP Linl TL-WR340G |
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| 16:09.52 | The98 | *Link |
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| 16:10.42 | tylkas | The98, on router DNS-server is on? |
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| 16:11.18 | The98 | tylkas, you mean a light or something? |
| 16:11.26 | prsn | what package is ifconfig in? apt-cache search only shows me libnet-ifconfig-wrapper-perl |
| 16:11.42 | tylkas | The98, try echo "nameserver 192.168.1.1" > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:11.59 | The98 | done |
| 16:12.30 | tylkas | The98, try ping www.com |
| 16:12.43 | The98 | prsn, I think is net-tools |
| 16:13.02 | The98 | tylkas, works |
| 16:13.20 | tylkas | The98, put it address in /e/n/i |
| 16:13.28 | tylkas | profit =^_^= |
| 16:13.44 | tylkas | *address = 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:13.55 | prsn | hmm, I already have net-tools installed. Where would ifconfig actually live? Maybe it's just not in my path for some reason |
| 16:14.33 | tylkas | prsn, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 16:14.42 | prsn | yah, just found with locate. thanks |
| 16:14.46 | The98 | tylkas, adress or dns-naveservers? |
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| 16:14.55 | tylkas | The98, 2 sec |
| 16:15.42 | The98 | because my address is 192.168.1.100 |
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| 16:16.19 | tylkas | The98, in /e/n/i dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:16.33 | The98 | ok, done |
| 16:16.53 | tylkas | The98, pastebin config please |
| 16:17.18 | The98 | http://paste.debian.net/127013/ |
| 16:17.38 | tylkas | all ok. reboot |
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| 16:17.53 | tylkas | wait! |
| 16:18.02 | The98 | why not restart networking? |
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| 16:18.30 | tylkas | The98, other packages like resolvconf installed ? |
| 16:19.41 | mootex | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:19.52 | tylkas | The98, dpkg -l resolvconf |
| 16:20.26 | The98 | tylkas, just resolvconf |
| 16:20.45 | tylkas | if you dont need it - remove |
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| 16:22.03 | tylkas | sorry |
| 16:22.22 | tylkas | dont touch it. just restart network |
| 16:22.27 | The98 | ok |
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| 16:22.57 | Gen_Patton | It seems to me like i can't find a freshly customized 3.0.3 kernel package after floowing the debian spacific guide on kernel.org. |
| 16:23.07 | The98 | tylkas, everything OK |
| 16:23.38 | tylkas | good |
| 16:23.38 | Gen_Patton | \/win 2 |
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| 16:24.50 | The98 | thank you all :) |
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| 16:31.28 | wols | Gen_Patton: make-kpkg? |
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| 16:33.15 | babilen | s/make-kpkg/make deb-pkg -- cf. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 16:39.46 | Gen_Patton | debian/stamp/build/kernel error two |
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| 16:48.43 | Odaym | I'm following this guide, http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz, but I do not have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 16:49.16 | ham5 | you dont always need an xorg.conf, what is the real problem? |
| 16:49.18 | Odaym | i have "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d", "/usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/examples/xorg.conf" and "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
| 16:49.52 | Odaym | which one is the one they mean in the Wiki? |
| 16:49.59 | Odaym | I need to edit it to be able to use compiz properly |
| 16:50.48 | ham5 | what they mean, is what they mean, im sure... what do you get when you try to start compiz? |
| 16:51.36 | babilen | !tell Odaym -about empty xorg.conf |
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| 16:51.43 | babilen | !tell Odaym -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 16:51.50 | Odaym | yes I'm reading that now |
| 16:51.51 | Odaym | thanks babilen |
| 16:51.59 | babilen | np |
| 16:52.11 | babilen | (No idea if you actually need it though) |
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| 16:52.42 | Odaym | yes it's mentioning that with the latest video drivers, autodetection will happen and no changes will be needed |
| 16:52.46 | Odaym | one moment to log out and back in |
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| 17:03.37 | workkevin | I've been wondering, is there any need to reinstall grub when the package is updated? If the boot code (the stuff that goes in the MBR and the first track) gets updated, I would think you'd still have the old code in the boot area. |
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| 17:04.01 | workkevin | Unless the maintainer scripts update that stuff. |
| 17:05.07 | thewanderer1 | I think that since GRUB has no way of knowing from which version you're upgrading and whether there were any MBR incompatibilities, it updates the record just in case |
| 17:05.17 | keith4 | what do i need to install to build packages from source, e.g., apt-get -b source foo, other than build-essential? |
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| 17:05.57 | workkevin | keith4: apt has a command to install the build deps for a package |
| 17:06.08 | keith4 | workkevin: oh, duh |
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| 17:06.18 | workkevin | I just don't remember what it is off the top of my head. |
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| 17:06.32 | workkevin | apt-get build-deps or something |
| 17:06.32 | keith4 | it's: apt-get build-dep foo |
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| 17:06.48 | keith4 | it's just... been so long since i've needed to build from source. also, it's monday. ;-) |
| 17:06.49 | keith4 | thanks! |
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| 17:06.50 | workkevin | There are other ways, though. |
| 17:07.13 | workkevin | there's a command that can check the control file and report what you are missing |
| 17:07.23 | keith4 | no worries. building already. |
| 17:07.25 | workkevin | dpkg-checkbuilddep or something like that. |
| 17:07.26 | sajkaca | hi i did a fresh install raid 1 for boot etc.. and i did install from usb key and when i was installing grub i accidentally hit enter and i saw it installed it on sda (usb) how to correct this now? :D becose i cant boot without usb now |
| 17:07.45 | ham5 | grub-install |
| 17:07.52 | keith4 | sajkaca: run grub-install and point it at the correct disk |
| 17:08.02 | workkevin | sajkaca: You should just need to point grub-install to the place you want to actually boot from |
| 17:08.23 | workkevin | sajkaca: For my system I did it for /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, the two disks of my RAID |
| 17:08.31 | sajkaca | do i point it to /dev/md0 or /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 ? |
| 17:08.32 | workkevin | So if one dies, the other still boots. |
| 17:08.43 | keith4 | sajkaca: neither |
| 17:08.55 | keith4 | you point it at /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc |
| 17:08.59 | workkevin | Probably none of the above. |
| 17:09.00 | sajkaca | ok |
| 17:09.10 | workkevin | You can install on a partition, but usually you need the mbr. |
| 17:09.22 | keith4 | you can also configure it to do automatic failover booting, in case one disk is dead |
| 17:09.22 | workkevin | ...By which I mean, you install on the main disk device. |
| 17:09.37 | sajkaca | i think this should be corected at installing debian from usb it shouldnt be mounted as sda |
| 17:09.46 | workkevin | keith4: Really? I don't know about that, apparently |
| 17:10.15 | workkevin | sajkaca: I don't know. I think you should probably not rely on device node names |
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| 17:11.07 | workkevin | I'm not sure how GRUB would do failover booting if the main boot device dies. |
| 17:11.19 | workkevin | You wouldn't even *get* to GRUB. |
| 17:11.26 | keith4 | that's the entire point of installing it on both disks... |
| 17:11.41 | workkevin | But at least if it's on both disks you can select which one to boot from the BIOS |
| 17:11.44 | keith4 | i haven't tried it with grub2, and can't find docs on it... but the old docs are http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
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| 17:13.48 | workkevin | On the topic of RAID, are there any special partitioning requirements? Extra space needed before the first partition, or anything like that? |
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| 17:14.47 | workkevin | When I installed I ended up with the first partition in a strange place, and I don't know if it's because I was using RAID. |
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| 17:16.10 | workkevin | Specifically, the first partition was put on the 2048th sector. |
| 17:17.03 | jelly-home | workkevin: that's what Vista, Windows 7 and new Linux fdisk do, align on 1MiB |
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| 17:17.18 | workkevin | Oh, really? Interesting. |
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| 17:17.34 | workkevin | cfdisk still puts it on the second track |
| 17:17.38 | jelly-home | workkevin: this works well for SSDs and "advanced drive format" 4KiB sector drives |
| 17:17.54 | jelly-home | your cfdisk is likely not updated |
| 17:18.03 | jelly-home | !4kb |
| 17:18.03 | dpkg | Newer (S)ATA drives have 4k sectors, which when not accounted for, can cause performance problems. See http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02021.html for more information. |
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| 17:18.34 | sajkaca | is this normal? :) http://paste.debian.net/127023/ |
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| 17:18.55 | workkevin | Huh. I've heard of disks with 4k sectors, but I thought support for them was really flaky still |
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| 17:20.19 | workkevin | sajkaca: You are still trying to install on the first partition. |
| 17:20.39 | workkevin | You need to install on the drive devices instead. |
| 17:20.54 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 17:21.25 | workkevin | sajkaca: Oh, I missed the first part |
| 17:21.28 | Rienzilla | in squeeze, is it no longer enough to place a Sxxscriptname-symlink in /etc/rcX.d to start an initscript in a runlevel? |
| 17:21.50 | sajkaca | :P |
| 17:22.05 | workkevin | sajkaca: I don't know what to tell you if you aren't using BIOS partitions. I know nothing about how GPT is booted. |
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| 17:24.40 | sajkaca | workkevin: bios partitions? |
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| 17:25.40 | workkevin | sajkaca: Yeah, the old "normal" partitioning. |
| 17:25.57 | sajkaca | ok :) |
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| 17:26.34 | tylkas | sajkaca, /boot on /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 17:26.37 | workkevin | Where the last 66 bytes are a partition table and the 2-byte mbr signature |
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| 17:27.03 | tylkas | *md0 |
| 17:27.14 | workkevin | ...last 66 bytes of the first sector, I meant. |
| 17:27.24 | sajkaca | yes /boot is pointed to /dev/md0 |
| 17:29.11 | sajkaca | all the time problems with grub :D somebody should make it easyer |
| 17:29.56 | TheWarden | I'm wondering if there is a way to calculate how much RAM would be required to gzip say a 6 gig file? Can this be calculated? |
| 17:30.00 | workkevin | I think the problem with making it easier is that it means making more assumptions. |
| 17:30.26 | tylkas | sajkaca, not long ago my server cant boot. root & /boot in md0 too. sda fault. bios try to run master primary (sda), then try second (sdb) and stopped. can you explain me, why? |
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| 17:30.48 | iluminator101 | can you install debian on a hp touchpad |
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| 17:32.09 | Sergio` | When I'm installing a package it takes very long on Reading Database, is there anyway to make it faster? |
| 17:32.20 | sajkaca | tylkas: dont know the answer |
| 17:32.21 | genesect | i installed a spinner like that, because no such device and such device and it is taking too much if i dont want to increase the user does the hard drive installation has a visual effects settings used to do this? |
| 17:32.32 | shadowh511 | Sergio`, how long has your debian install been around? |
| 17:32.33 | genesect | glxgears seems very long on reading database, is there anyway to make a lot and you already have to check the wifi card first |
| 17:32.41 | ham5 | ssd drive, or a new cpu? |
| 17:32.47 | Sergio` | shadowh511, about a week. |
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| 17:32.56 | jelly-home | tylkas: was the boot loader installed on the second disk at all? |
| 17:32.57 | shadowh511 | Sergio`, how much have you put in? |
| 17:33.19 | tylkas | jelly-home, yes |
| 17:33.21 | Sergio` | I think it's because of the number of packages already installed. |
| 17:33.29 | shadowh511 | and that is? |
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| 17:33.46 | Sergio` | I don't know, maybe 5000 |
| 17:33.58 | shadowh511 | hmm what kinda HDD you got in there? |
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| 17:34.04 | Sergio` | 320GB |
| 17:34.04 | jelly-home | tylkas: it would be easier hard to diagnose the situation if you could show exactly where and how it stopped |
| 17:34.10 | Sergio` | SSD |
| 17:34.16 | abrotman | shadowh511: why are there three of you ? |
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| 17:34.29 | jelly-home | they're shadows, uh |
| 17:34.32 | shadowh511 | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 17:34.37 | shadowh511 | ah |
| 17:34.40 | shadowh511 | adminbot |
| 17:34.44 | shadowh511 | feel free to kick him |
| 17:34.52 | abrotman | --> genesect (~TeamPlasm@173-10-70-249-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #debian |
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| 17:35.02 | shadowh511 | (he's a bot for my minecraft irc channel) |
| 17:35.12 | abrotman | you can/should remove your own bot |
| 17:35.17 | jelly-home | shadowh511: tell it to not come in here |
| 17:35.57 | shadowh511 | jelly-home, genesect is there to mine irc logs for sentences |
| 17:36.10 | shadowh511 | !kick adminbot |
| 17:36.10 | dpkg | kicks adminbot in the crotch. |
| 17:36.22 | iluminator101 | i mean does debian armel support qualcomm omap 4 chip |
| 17:36.32 | shadowh511 | !ban adminbot |
| 17:36.40 | shadowh511 | frack |
| 17:37.05 | jelly-home | iluminator101: probably best to ask the arm channel, /msg dpkg arm |
| 17:37.05 | abrotman | iluminator101: ask #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:37.31 | tylkas | jelly-home, no, i just want to make sure, that /boot and root in raid (md0) not good idea |
| 17:37.47 | abrotman | shadowh511: and what's genesect ? |
| 17:38.38 | shadowh511 | abrotman, genesect is a seeborg bot, i am having him mine ##linux #python #debian #ubuntu #tor #android-dev for irc logs so that he cna try to make senctences from them |
| 17:38.40 | jelly-home | tylkas: well. grub2 supports that, but in my experience grub2 is too complex and sometimes fragile |
| 17:39.03 | themill | shadowh511: no random bots in here, thanks. |
| 17:39.16 | shadowh511 | themill, ok, i'll ask him to leave |
| 17:39.17 | jelly-home | tylkas: the safest approach would be to have two separate raid arrays, small raid1 for /boot, and larger one for everything else |
| 17:39.20 | sajkaca | tihs is strange.. why they are not in lines? http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/676/unled2gb.png |
| 17:39.41 | ham5 | ls -l ? |
| 17:39.53 | shadowh511 | and he's not leaving, beautiful |
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| 17:40.00 | shadowh511 | !save |
| 17:40.17 | abrotman | thank you |
| 17:40.27 | sajkaca | its from putty.. |
| 17:40.39 | shadowh511 | abrotman, you're welcome |
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| 17:41.03 | tylkas | jelly-home, grub2 can try to load linux from other partition. bios cant. if md0 mark as fault bios cant boot from him, right? |
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| 17:41.46 | tylkas | but if grub cant load - bios can understand this and try second device.. |
| 17:41.53 | jelly-home | tylkas: bios never boots from "md0". It boots from a physical disk |
| 17:42.04 | tylkas | i dont say this |
| 17:43.12 | shadowh511 | abrotman, if you wanna see him in action #wade_mc |
| 17:43.20 | jelly-home | tylkas: it's a bit hard to understand what you're writing, what is your native language? |
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| 17:43.35 | tylkas | jelly-home, =[ sorry |
| 17:43.38 | karlpinc | tylkas: You must tell the bios to boot from another drive if one of the raid1 mirrors fails, yes. |
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| 17:44.01 | karlpinc | tylkas: We can send you to a channel where they speak your language, usually. |
| 17:44.30 | tylkas | damn |
| 17:44.38 | abrotman | shadowh511: not remotely :) |
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| 17:44.58 | shadowh511 | abrotman, damn, he's really funny |
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| 17:48.12 | N-I-L | hello everyone |
| 17:48.23 | workkevin | sajkaca: Try 'reset' |
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| 17:51.13 | jelly-home | sajkaca: also, see if ls -C formats the output more to what you expect |
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| 17:52.56 | sajkaca | jelly-home |
| 17:53.04 | sajkaca | jelly-home: tnx works well |
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| 17:54.53 | Pinchiukas | Can I have grub 1.99 in squeeze? |
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| 18:00.26 | Pinchiukas | # grub-install /dev/xvdm |
| 18:00.27 | Pinchiukas | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/xvde1. Check your device.map. |
| 18:00.30 | Pinchiukas | Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/xvde1 failed. |
| 18:00.31 | Pinchiukas | What the hell? |
| 18:00.34 | Pinchiukas | Please report this together with the output of "/usr/sbin/grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map --target=fs -v /boot/grub" to <bug-grub@gnu.org> |
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| 18:01.57 | bolt | which "language" is .xsession in? |
| 18:02.02 | bolt | sh? |
| 18:02.17 | workkevin | bolt: I think so. |
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| 18:03.04 | workkevin | It's invoked (maybe sourced?) from /etc/X11/Xsession or /etc/gdm3/Xsession or something like that |
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| 18:05.50 | bolt | that might explain why "source" doesn't work :) |
| 18:05.53 | bolt | bash builtin |
| 18:06.00 | bolt | what's the "sh" equivalent? |
| 18:06.10 | bolt | (if any) |
| 18:06.48 | Alam_Squeeze | bolt: . /path/script? |
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| 18:10.09 | bolt | ah. that did it :) |
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| 18:12.07 | ompaul | bolt: source aiui and I could be wrong, only incorporates new settings in the shell you are in |
| 18:12.26 | ompaul | i.e. export a path or something else and it gets added to your current shell |
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| 18:16.40 | bolt | ompaul: yes, it reads and executes the commands as if they were typed into the current shell |
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| 18:17.14 | bolt | i.e. unexported variables will affect how the script runs, and any new variables from the script will be kept. and many other such effects |
| 18:17.17 | bolt | which is what i needed :) |
| 18:17.26 | bolt | . did the job tough |
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| 18:21.50 | newbie435645 | Windows 7 is best! Linux is crap |
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| 18:22.17 | solar_sea | Are the scrips in /etc/network/if-up.d or the post-up commands in /etc/network/interfaces executed on ip change from DHCP ? |
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| 18:23.34 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: no |
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| 18:24.14 | newbie435645 | debian is worsest linux |
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| 18:24.22 | abrotman | newbie435645: go play somewhere else please |
| 18:24.24 | solar_sea | valdyn_: thanks. Is there any other point where I can hook some command to be executed on address change ? |
| 18:24.45 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: your dhcp tool, probably that isc dhcp client youre using |
| 18:25.12 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: why is your dhcp ip changing? |
| 18:25.26 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: thats *wrong* |
| 18:25.59 | solar_sea | valdyn_: it might change, my provider doesn't offer any guantees that it will stay static |
| 18:26.05 | newbie435645 | debian=debilian |
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| 18:26.12 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: what kind of provider? |
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| 18:26.17 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: dsl? |
| 18:26.27 | solar_sea | valdyn_: passive optics |
| 18:26.37 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: are you really talking about ppp or is it really dhcp? |
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| 18:28.00 | solar_sea | valdyn_: nope, it's a media conveter unit + dhcp from the provider. I've setuped my interface to iface ethX inet dhcp and it works fine. |
| 18:28.10 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: ok then |
| 18:28.40 | solar_sea | valdyn_: and I have an A record on afraid.org and I'd like to use it as dyndns provider. But rather spamming them every hour with a cron job |
| 18:28.40 | Shadur | bind9 version 9.6 on debian 5.0.8 doesn't recognize the listen-on-v6 keyword in named.conf; am I doing something wrong? |
| 18:29.03 | solar_sea | valdyn_: I'd prefer to have a way to know when/if the address is changed so I can update the record though their API |
| 18:29.21 | valdyn_ | solar_sea: yea, i got that |
| 18:30.37 | abrotman | Shadur: on lenny? |
| 18:31.12 | valdyn_ | pretty sure that worked on lenny |
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| 18:31.41 | mycae | Hello, is anyone here familiar with the quilt 3.0 packaging system? I need some help with a package of mine. |
| 18:31.46 | valdyn_ | Shadur: what is the error ? |
| 18:32.06 | fenugreek | mycae: what is it? |
| 18:32.13 | mycae | quilt keeps making a debian-changes-VERSION, which lintian says should not exist |
| 18:32.19 | mycae | quilt also wont apply it |
| 18:32.24 | mycae | because its compiled from my series patches |
| 18:32.45 | mycae | http://lintian.debian.org/tags/format-3.0-but-debian-changes-patch.html |
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| 18:33.25 | mycae | my package, as far as I can tell, should be committed to git with the full quilt series applied. |
| 18:34.41 | mycae | and no .pc dir |
| 18:35.11 | mycae | everything was fine under 1.0, but my sponsor would like me to use 3.0. |
| 18:35.20 | themill | mycae: usually not, actually. This is an area where people are still working out the best way of doing the packaging. So far, the most common workflow is to commit the unpatched source and the quilt series into the git repo. You might do better in #debian-mentors on irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:35.50 | mycae | hmm. This is at odds with RH's guidelines... |
| 18:35.51 | fenugreek | AKA #debian-mentors |
| 18:36.03 | fenugreek | themill: why was the channel forked to OFTC, too, again? =P |
| 18:36.12 | mycae | err, thats not a valid channel |
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| 18:36.15 | mycae | I just got kicked. |
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| 18:36.32 | themill | mycae: err... #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:36.47 | mycae | oh. right. |
| 18:36.53 | fenugreek | heh |
| 18:36.56 | fenugreek | kicking, it's the new redirect |
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| 18:40.37 | xreal | Where's the right place in Squeeze to put own startup scripts? |
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| 18:42.21 | abrotman | !tell xreal about run at startup |
| 18:42.35 | xreal | thanks |
| 18:42.59 | xreal | abrotman: I thought, /etc/rc.local is the right place, but it doesn't exist in Squeeze. |
| 18:43.10 | abrotman | create it? |
| 18:43.19 | xreal | abrotman: Didn't want to mess it up :-) |
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| 18:48.00 | themill | wonders what sort of squeeze box doesn't have /etc/rc.local |
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| 18:53.16 | _solvd | good evening, whats is the best way to install updates on a debian server, i found cron-apt, apticron and some others. I want to install _all_ updates automatically, not only the security one. Which software will fit this job best? |
| 18:53.41 | fenugreek | human |
| 18:53.44 | valdyn_ | _solvd: why would anyone do this on a server? |
| 18:53.50 | catsup | _solvd: i use unattended-upgrades |
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| 18:54.17 | themill | _solvd: cron-apt can do that, but it's not necessarily what you want to do |
| 18:54.31 | fenugreek | valdyn_: someone doubles as the broken server fixer and gets paid overtime =P |
| 18:54.41 | catsup | _solvd: it can be configured to upgrade whichever software you want, however you probably should only do it with securit updates |
| 18:54.50 | _solvd | valdyn_: well, the point is that its only a vps and it backup automatically too, so the risk that i forget to install the updates is higher then the risk to break the vps |
| 18:55.05 | catsup | but why is that a risk at all |
| 18:55.10 | _solvd | or would you only install security updates? |
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| 18:55.25 | valdyn_ | _solvd: you really only get security updates |
| 18:55.26 | fenugreek | shouldn't be any risk if you get the security updates |
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| 18:55.31 | themill | _solvd: there have been botched security updates in the paste too, of course |
| 18:55.35 | valdyn_ | _solvd: theres very few beyond that |
| 18:55.42 | lotus-blade | what is a good dvd burning package? I do not like Brasero. it keeps messing up disks |
| 18:56.02 | valdyn_ | lotus-blade: its not brasero that is messing up disks |
| 18:56.11 | catsup | it is pretty safe to upgrade everything though |
| 18:56.16 | _solvd | lotus-blade: k3b? |
| 18:56.24 | fenugreek | lotus-blade: inherently problematic endeavour |
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| 18:56.27 | catsup | i mean, until the next major release |
| 18:56.34 | valdyn_ | lotus-blade: the burning is done on a low level, highly likely that its not brasero thats at fault |
| 18:56.44 | fenugreek | back when I could stand doing it, I used ffmpeg, dvdauthor, growisofs, and occasionally tovid to do it all |
| 18:56.46 | thewanderer1 | lotus-blade: just use a lower recording speed |
| 18:56.55 | fenugreek | (tovid with -ffmpeg) |
| 18:57.03 | Woet | in the paste even, themill :) |
| 18:57.19 | _solvd | ok, i will use only security updates then |
| 18:57.22 | fenugreek | your time would be much better spent setting up a media PC so you don't have to burn anymore DVDs |
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| 18:57.56 | squid | hello all! |
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| 18:58.33 | Shadur | abrotman,valdyn_: Aug 22 20:58:28 huginn named[378]: /etc/bind/named.conf.local:9: unknown option 'listen-on-v6' |
| 18:58.35 | fenugreek | hi squid |
| 18:58.39 | _solvd | fenugreek: the release of the macbook air teached me that the dvd is dead :P |
| 18:58.44 | Shadur | (Sorry, got called away) |
| 18:59.00 | _solvd | this was the time where i setup a pxe server to install my home pc :P |
| 18:59.08 | fenugreek | =) |
| 18:59.15 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 18:59.35 | valdyn_ | Shadur: put it into named.conf.options inside the options tag |
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| 18:59.41 | fenugreek | anybody who's spent more than the time it takes to copy a file to a USB stick, or to another filesystem over a network in making a DVD should know that DVD is dead |
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| 19:00.25 | nathwill | i heard the same thing about rock n roll |
| 19:00.35 | valdyn_ | Shadur: or you can probably put an options tag just aswell into the .local, but it should be inside the options tag |
| 19:00.36 | fenugreek | nathwill: well clearly that was incorrect =P |
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| 19:01.23 | Shadur | valdyn_: Does bind9 allow multiple options {} stanzas? |
| 19:01.32 | valdyn_ | Shadur: no idea |
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| 19:08.56 | lotus-blade | next stupid question is is there a good lightscribe labeler out there for deb? I only found on in rpm format for x86 when I am running 64bit |
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| 19:10.19 | abrotman | hands lotus-blade a uh ... razor-blade |
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| 19:24.08 | ladanz | hi, i got a little windbox with debian, the problem is there are 2 monitors plugged(rgb/hdmi) and it always starts with rgb display, where it should start with hdmi display. i dont use a xorg.conf file. any suggestions? |
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| 19:30.03 | _solvd | ok, i used now cron-apt for autoupdates and it send me a mail on upgrade, hope this works fine now :-) |
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| 19:32.29 | fenugreek | I can see it now |
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| 19:32.43 | fenugreek | the week-late email, subject: "update failed your server is down" |
| 19:32.52 | fenugreek | preceded six days by "you are fired" =) |
| 19:32.56 | breeg | I can't get past the boot splash screen of the debian-installer because my BIOS doesn't read my usb keyboard. Is there a version of the installer that defaults to one of the menu options after some timeout? |
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| 19:33.29 | _solvd | fenugreek: it was already down for a week, 'cause of DDoS.. |
| 19:33.29 | fenugreek | debootstrap |
| 19:33.38 | fenugreek | _solvd: you are fired =) |
| 19:33.43 | fenugreek | starts dos again |
| 19:33.48 | _solvd | pfft |
| 19:33.56 | fenugreek | =) |
| 19:34.19 | breeg | fenugreek: I see the guide for installing debian from an existing system; I guess I'll try that |
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| 19:34.32 | _solvd | it's just a private vps and i cant use iptables, because the virtualization software doesnt support it right or they dont want to enable it :P |
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| 19:35.21 | _solvd | i guess i will move to a root server and install FreeBSD, is a bit better then a vps :P |
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| 19:46.37 | cookiedude | Hi! A few days ago all of my Debian 5 servers are unable to compile anything. I get the error "C compiler cannot create executables". This was out of nowhere on 5 servers at the same time. Does anyone have any idea about what could be going on? |
| 19:47.01 | nsadmin | c compiler not installed? |
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| 19:47.29 | cookiedude | nsadmin: I have gcc and build-essential, yes.. everything was working fine for literally over a year, and all of a sudden this happened |
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| 19:47.47 | valdyn_ | cookiedude: run "gcc --version" and tell us |
| 19:47.49 | Bushmills | cookiedude: on stable? |
| 19:47.55 | FredZ | I'm a noob and I am attempting to install uploadprogress using PECL. I get the following error " pecl install uploadprogress |
| 19:47.56 | FredZ | downloading uploadprogress-1.0.3.1.tgz ... |
| 19:47.56 | FredZ | Starting to download uploadprogress-1.0.3.1.tgz (9,040 bytes) |
| 19:47.56 | FredZ | ....done: 9,040 bytes |
| 19:47.56 | FredZ | 4 source files, building |
| 19:47.56 | FredZ | running: phpize |
| 19:47.56 | FredZ | sh: phpize: command not found |
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| 19:48.13 | nsadmin | try aptitude install build-essential again |
| 19:48.16 | cookiedude | valdyn_: gcc (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) 4.3.2 |
| 19:48.19 | cookiedude | Bushmills: yup |
| 19:48.31 | cookiedude | ok, hang on |
| 19:48.36 | nsadmin | he said debian 5, that must be oldstable |
| 19:48.53 | Bushmills | i thought he meant "5 servers" |
| 19:49.12 | valdyn_ | the last release to upgrade "automatically" |
| 19:49.14 | cookiedude | it's debian 5, the same problem happened on all 5 servers |
| 19:49.26 | cookiedude | aptitude install build-essential: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed |
| 19:49.31 | valdyn_ | cookiedude: grep stable /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:49.36 | nsadmin | so that's 25! |
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| 19:50.22 | cookiedude | here my sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib, deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 19:50.42 | cookiedude | and also deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main and deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
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| 19:51.06 | valdyn_ | cookiedude: your error message isnt actually a compiler error but an error from the tests run when doing ./configure |
| 19:51.34 | cookiedude | valdyn_: right, but this happens when trying to compile anything at all, not just one thing in particular |
| 19:51.47 | valdyn_ | cookiedude: sure, its always the same test |
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| 19:52.00 | valdyn_ | cookiedude: g++ --version gives the same? |
| 19:52.03 | nsadmin | ok, echo '#include <stdio.h> void main(void) { printf("hi\n"); }' > hi.c |
| 19:52.06 | cookiedude | valdyn_: any idea what could be failing? on Debian 6 with the exact same setup everything is ok |
| 19:52.07 | nsadmin | then, make hi |
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| 19:52.47 | valdyn_ | nsadmin: you mean "gcc hi.c" |
| 19:52.51 | cookiedude | yup, same for g++ |
| 19:53.09 | cookiedude | what should be inside hi.c? |
| 19:53.18 | nsadmin | well moreorless. make hi should do what's needed |
| 19:53.21 | fixxxermet | Looking for a one word answer: Is kFreeBSD production-ready for mission-critical systems? |
| 19:53.39 | nsadmin | weinershichzel! |
| 19:53.39 | cookiedude | nsadmin: "make: *** No rule to make target `hi'. Stop." |
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| 19:54.11 | mycae | cookiedude, gcc will make a file called "a.out" if you don't specify -o name-of-output-file |
| 19:54.13 | nsadmin | did you run the echo into hi.c? |
| 19:54.25 | themill | (which won't produce valid C) |
| 19:54.29 | RenJuan | I don't get the synaptic installed phpmyadmin. How is it supposed to work with the default debian apache2 setup? |
| 19:54.43 | nsadmin | valdyn_, the automatic rules have been removed from make?? |
| 19:54.44 | valdyn_ | funny that "make hi.c" works now |
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| 19:54.53 | valdyn_ | funny that "make hi" works now, i wonder since when |
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| 19:55.02 | valdyn_ | nsadmin: no, i just tried |
| 19:55.11 | valdyn_ | nsadmin: your C is broken, but the make works |
| 19:55.41 | nsadmin | since a LONG time ago |
| 19:55.48 | cookiedude | nsadmin: "make hi.c -o hi: make: Nothing to be done for `hi.c'." |
| 19:55.57 | valdyn_ | nsadmin: yea, its a LONG time ago since i didnt know make and tried the same |
| 19:56.00 | RenJuan | (asking to understand the general case) |
| 19:56.10 | nsadmin | cookiedude: just: make hi |
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| 19:56.52 | cookiedude | just make hi gives me this: "make: *** No rule to make target `hi'. Stop.". make hi.c gives the same error as before. I did put the code inside hi.c |
| 19:57.23 | mycae | cookiedude, what is in your makefile? |
| 19:57.23 | nsadmin | so you have a hi.c in .? |
| 19:57.30 | cookiedude | yup |
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| 19:57.45 | nsadmin | maybe you have Makefile in . too? |
| 19:58.22 | cookiedude | nope.. here's another clue for you.. I had a previuously configured program, when I try to make it I get this: "/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory" |
| 19:58.51 | babilen | Is this some kind of hacker jeopardy? And what does it have to do with Debian? |
| 19:59.19 | valdyn_ | babilen: his autoconf scripts or his make or his gcc on debian are broken |
| 19:59.37 | mycae | cookiedude, install the glibc dev package. |
| 19:59.41 | cookiedude | babilen: plus there's a million dollar prize to the winner! just kidding, I whish... |
| 19:59.41 | nsadmin | babilen: "Things an op would say!" did I win? did I win?! |
| 19:59.49 | cookiedude | mycae: lets see |
| 19:59.54 | babilen | nsadmin: yes! |
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| 19:59.57 | ompaul | anyone check if it is a debian install or is a frankenbuntu or some such |
| 20:00.06 | cookiedude | it is debian |
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| 20:00.08 | valdyn_ | ompaul: yes |
| 20:00.08 | chmod577 | nom nom ubuntu |
| 20:00.15 | valdyn_ | ompaul: a few tests |
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| 20:00.53 | valdyn_ | ompaul: not the right ones to detect his mangled virtualisation system though |
| 20:01.06 | cookiedude | mycae: already installed, but it wants to remove "libreadline-ruby1.8{u}", which I'm actually using |
| 20:01.20 | suprsonic | is GNU/kFreeBSD a hobby OS or is is ready for mission critical systems? |
| 20:01.34 | valdyn_ | suprsonic: hobby OS |
| 20:01.49 | nsadmin | hobby critical missions! |
| 20:02.06 | babilen | suprsonic: Ask in #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:02.21 | suprsonic | thanks |
| 20:02.30 | themill | cookiedude: have you installed or removed any packages recently? |
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| 20:02.52 | valdyn_ | cookiedude: is this real physical servers? |
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| 20:02.54 | cookiedude | themill: not really, that's what's so weird... |
| 20:02.59 | cookiedude | valdyn_: yes |
| 20:03.13 | nsadmin | cookiedude, ok, weird. try gcc hi.c |
| 20:03.46 | nsadmin | but make hi not working is very suspicious |
| 20:04.05 | themill | cookiedude: could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gcc; apt-get update" and also "/msg dpkg not available" and pastebin the output of that silly long aptitude command for us? |
| 20:04.24 | babilen | (all in a single paste on http://paste.debian.net please) |
| 20:04.28 | cookiedude | themill: sure, hang on |
| 20:04.36 | thewanderer1 | suprsonic: http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/debian-gnukfreebsd-on-production/ - supposed to work and be stable, but backups are a must as bugs are still lurking |
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| 20:05.13 | thewanderer1 | oh what... did you all guys really send 15 messages in 1 second or was it my lag? |
| 20:05.21 | valdyn_ | thewanderer1: your lag |
| 20:05.23 | babilen | thewanderer1: your lag |
| 20:05.29 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 20:05.32 | babilen | np |
| 20:05.36 | nsadmin | supernatural lag |
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| 20:06.27 | cookiedude | themill: http://paste.debian.net/127042/ |
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| 20:08.10 | babilen | cookiedude: And you couldn't compile hello world? |
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| 20:08.26 | cookiedude | here's the log of what happens when I try to compile something already configured (in this case, lighttpd): http://paste.debian.net/127043/ |
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| 20:08.38 | derric | How do I list active network interfaces? |
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| 20:09.24 | valdyn_ | derric: "/sbin/ifconfig" |
| 20:09.25 | cookiedude | when trying to compile hello world: "/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory" |
| 20:09.25 | mycae | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:10.18 | themill | cookiedude: what does "type -a gcc" say? |
| 20:10.39 | derric | Thanks, valdyn, mycae. |
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| 20:10.59 | cookiedude | the mill: "gcc is /usr/bin/gcc" |
| 20:11.09 | yggdrasil | hello, im learnig to use rsync and im wondering.. how do i get it to scan recursive directorys... rsync -avzr *.jpg administrator@192.168.0.120 |
| 20:11.14 | yggdrasil | only gets my main directory |
| 20:11.41 | tylkas | administrator@192.168.0.120:/path |
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| 20:11.57 | cookiedude | once again, the whole problem with my servers seem to boil down to this: "/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory" |
| 20:12.03 | cookiedude | and yes, I did install glibc |
| 20:12.30 | yggdrasil | guess if you leave that out it assumes / |
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| 20:14.28 | jhutchins | Great, lenny thinks my ipod touch is a camera. |
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| 20:14.33 | babilen | cookiedude: And lib6-dev is installed as well? What about "build-essential" ? Could you reinstall both? |
| 20:14.56 | jhutchins | Why do all the iPod tools want to install Gnome? |
| 20:15.29 | cookiedude | babilen: it cant find lib6-dev here |
| 20:16.32 | babilen | cookiedude: Sorry, typo -- libc6-dev -- but that should have been pulled in by build-essential (is that installed?) |
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| 20:17.19 | cookiedude | babilen: yup, build-essential and libc6-dev are both installed |
| 20:17.48 | babilen | cookiedude: Do you have that file? |
| 20:18.53 | tylkas | yggdrasil, *.jpg = ./*jpg. Current local directory contains directories? |
| 20:19.01 | babilen | (i.e. "/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h and /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h) |
| 20:19.10 | cookiedude | babilen: yup |
| 20:19.17 | yggdrasil | tylkas: yes its my home dir |
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| 20:19.31 | yggdrasil | i want it to scan thru all folders ans sub folder and send up my.mpgs |
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| 20:19.35 | cookiedude | guys, thank you very much for your help, but I guess I'll just start from scratch and update them all to Debian 6. Again, thank you very much for trying! |
| 20:19.38 | yggdrasil | jps , just as a test. |
| 20:19.46 | highclasshole | I'm on squeeze and I isntalled samba and samba-common but theres no smbpasswd binary? |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | !tell highclasshole about apt-file |
| 20:20.17 | tylkas | yggdrasil, find -exec ? |
| 20:20.35 | yggdrasil | ahh |
| 20:20.38 | yggdrasil | its like that is it ? |
| 20:20.50 | yggdrasil | let me think about this for a minute then. |
| 20:20.52 | tylkas | yggdrasil, or create mask for rsync. |
| 20:21.00 | abrotman | highclasshole: find it? |
| 20:21.35 | yggdrasil | tylkas: how about just dump the entire ~ folder with all subdirs up there ? |
| 20:21.41 | yggdrasil | how does that command look ? |
| 20:22.05 | tylkas | yggdrasil, dump all? |
| 20:22.29 | yggdrasil | i want to rsync my entire ~ . all subdirectories |
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| 20:22.50 | tylkas | sec |
| 20:22.52 | yggdrasil | sorry for not being clear. |
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| 20:23.02 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 20:23.48 | yggdrasil | tylkas: i got it |
| 20:23.50 | yggdrasil | i just did * |
| 20:24.10 | yggdrasil | brb |
| 20:24.13 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 20:25.36 | mycae | yggdrasil, does rsync not have a -r ? |
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| 20:26.15 | mycae | and --dirs? |
| 20:26.17 | abrotman | you don't need it ... |
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| 20:28.14 | abrotman | yggdrasil: the rsync man page covers basic usage pretty well |
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| 20:31.47 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: * is wrong |
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| 20:33.20 | jhutchins | ,version libimobiledevice-utils |
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| 20:33.52 | jhutchins | ,versions libimobiledevice-utils |
| 20:33.53 | judd | Package libimobiledevice-utils on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1; sid: 1.0.6-3; wheezy: 1.0.6-3; experimental: 1.1.1-1 |
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| 20:35.59 | yggdrasil | valdyn_: let me see what i did |
| 20:36.09 | yggdrasil | rsync -avz * administrator@192.168.0.120 |
| 20:36.25 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: wrong |
| 20:36.32 | yggdrasil | ./* |
| 20:36.33 | yggdrasil | ? |
| 20:36.39 | yggdrasil | or /home/yggdrasil/ |
| 20:36.49 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: notice how * skips your hidden files ( those starting with . ) ? |
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| 20:36.54 | rom1v | hi |
| 20:36.55 | yggdrasil | ahhh... |
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| 20:37.03 | rom1v | I installed debian sid with xfce |
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| 20:37.20 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: the correct pattern would be using both .* and *, but thats silly with rsync |
| 20:37.25 | rom1v | I would like to install gdm (I did it 2 weeks ago on another coomputer), but there is no "gdm" package anymore |
| 20:37.40 | rom1v | it says to install "indicator-applet-session", but it has a lot of gnome dependencies |
| 20:37.43 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: it recurses by default so just use ./ |
| 20:37.43 | rom1v | contrary to gdm |
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| 20:38.05 | yggdrasil | and will that get hidden as well ? |
| 20:38.14 | thewanderer1 | rom1v: maybe gdm3? |
| 20:38.23 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: everything inside ./ except .. |
| 20:38.27 | rom1v | \o/ |
| 20:38.29 | rom1v | thank you thewanderer1 |
| 20:38.34 | yggdrasil | valdyn_: thank you |
| 20:38.54 | yggdrasil | and the nto isolate any type of fie, i would need to do some sort of find -exec command? |
| 20:39.05 | yggdrasil | for instance.. *.vkmd |
| 20:39.17 | yggdrasil | *.vmkd |
| 20:39.19 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: to do what? |
| 20:39.30 | yggdrasil | so say i have a directory with a bunch of directorys |
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| 20:39.45 | yggdrasil | and i want to only rsync the files with extension .vkmd |
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| 20:40.05 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: but inside directories? |
| 20:40.19 | yggdrasil | all the fiels are inside directorys |
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| 20:40.32 | yggdrasil | .vmdk even. |
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| 20:41.19 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: in the most complex cases you can make a black- or whitelist using find and feed that list to rsync using --include-from or --exclude-from |
| 20:41.41 | yggdrasil | yea i think i can figur that out |
| 20:42.00 | valdyn_ | yggdrasil: find -exec would work but that would start many instances of rsync I think |
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| 20:43.56 | yggdrasil | hmm |
| 20:44.10 | yggdrasil | learning so much.. brain smoking. |
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| 20:46.09 | thewanderer1 | valdyn_: AFAIK, find does not fork (other than for calling execve()), otherwise there would be little or no point in GNU parallel |
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| 20:46.45 | valdyn_ | thewanderer1: i didnt mean to say that anything is done in parallel |
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| 20:46.56 | tylkas | yggdrasil, rsync -vzcr --include "*/" --include "*.jpg" --exclude "*" ./ administrator@192.168.0.120:/path_to |
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| 20:47.05 | ttyS1 | I have a debian server with debian and mac clients. what would be the most efficient and secure way to share files is Samba the only way ? |
| 20:47.29 | tylkas | yggdrasil, but empty dir rsync too. |
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| 20:47.43 | yggdrasil | thats acceptable |
| 20:47.45 | thewanderer1 | valdyn_: ok, I must have misunderstood you then. yes, find starts many instances if you use ';' as opposed to '+' I think |
| 20:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | ttyS1: Dunno if the macs can do sshfs, but they can do nfs. |
| 20:47.51 | yggdrasil | there wont be any |
| 20:48.10 | mycae | ttyS1, SSH, then convince your mac users to run cyberduck. |
| 20:48.12 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: your goals are somewhat mutually eclusive, either you want efficient or you want secure, cant have both |
| 20:48.27 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: samba is efficient, but its *not* secure |
| 20:48.34 | thewanderer1 | ttyS1: NFS + physical network security and you're good to go... also, 20x faster than SSH :P |
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| 20:48.51 | mycae | but how fast is fast? |
| 20:48.53 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: ssh is secure, but absolutely not efficient except for small scale use cases |
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| 20:49.04 | thewanderer1 | with NFS I get link-speed file transfers |
| 20:49.06 | ttyS1 | valdyn_: I installed Samba but it takes so long to copy files to the server. |
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| 20:49.31 | yggdrasil | thanks for the help guys i think i have good examples of what i want. |
| 20:49.35 | yggdrasil | rsync is pretty awesome |
| 20:49.46 | ttyS1 | thewanderer1: speed sounds very good |
| 20:49.47 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: thats to vague, give your actual bandwidth, something thats fast and your samba benchmark |
| 20:50.02 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: computers are *always* to slow anyway |
| 20:50.32 | ttyS1 | valdyn_: well I was looking at some specs online and notice the http is at least twice as fast as Samba |
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| 20:50.42 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: thats nonsense |
| 20:51.31 | ttyS1 | valdyn_: well not so sure but when I try to copy files to the samba server it does take long |
| 20:51.38 | Odaym | what do you mean http is as fast as samba? |
| 20:51.50 | Odaym | and why would that be mentioned in the specs of a computer? |
| 20:51.53 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: again, thats useless information |
| 20:52.07 | ttyS1 | let me see if I can get the link |
| 20:52.20 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: we dont need to see that link |
| 20:52.20 | Odaym | it doesn't matter if it exists on the internet, ttyS1 |
| 20:52.26 | Odaym | it CAN be bullshit |
| 20:52.28 | mycae | ttyS1, the important questions are, how long is long, and how big are your files. ie what transfer rate do you see, and what do you need. |
| 20:52.31 | Odaym | and in this case, it is |
| 20:52.40 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: were just telling you about different methods and their benefits |
| 20:53.12 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: samba is used and made for entirely different things than samba |
| 20:53.17 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: samba is used and made for entirely different things than *http* |
| 20:53.44 | wols | valdyn_: webdav :P |
| 20:53.46 | abrotman | that's an awkward discussion |
| 20:54.19 | valdyn_ | wols: yes i know webdav... |
| 20:54.44 | Iridos | what discussion? awkward is my middle name... |
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| 20:57.51 | ttyS1 | well I just want to copy a file from one machine to the other as fast as possible. from what I was able to find it seems with nfs i can do about 70Mbps. SMB and FTP in comparison are about 20Mbps |
| 20:58.30 | ompaul | so complaining about the slowest way you can find - try rsync and scp |
| 20:59.56 | valdyn_ | ttyS1: the speed difference should be lower than the time this discussion already took or the time needed to setup any method that isnt already setup ;) |
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| 21:01.00 | nsadmin | Iri Awkward Dos? |
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| 21:03.13 | yang___ | what is the package name to contain the non-free network driver files for new kernel ? |
| 21:03.29 | abrotman | depends which NIC you have |
| 21:03.33 | yang___ | e100 |
| 21:03.48 | abrotman | don't think there is any, nor requires any ? |
| 21:04.00 | yang___ | says A: possible missing firmware |
| 21:04.03 | abrotman | firmware-linux-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel |
| 21:04.04 | valdyn_ | yang___: I think you mean linux-firmware |
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| 21:04.08 | yang___ | ok |
| 21:04.10 | yang___ | yes |
| 21:04.31 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.31 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.31 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.33 | valdyn_ | err, that should have been firmware-linux |
| 21:04.56 | yang___ | thanks |
| 21:04.57 | nsadmin | that;s intel ether express pro 100? |
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| 21:05.06 | yang___ | yes, prolly on the old notebook |
| 21:05.07 | abrotman | it's from the firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 21:05.33 | nsadmin | very old card, works really well |
| 21:05.40 | yang___ | yes, never had problems |
| 21:06.20 | nsadmin | wait, no problems? maybe you dom't need firmwre then? is the nic working now? |
| 21:06.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: some of them have 'advanced' features |
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| 21:07.42 | Iridos | nsadmin, probable more like awk ward iridos (at least that's a proper command) |
| 21:07.48 | itsPhilip | Can I add the squeeze repository to an lenny installation without encountering any errors? |
| 21:08.43 | Iridos | you do that to upgrade to squeeze |
| 21:08.47 | nsadmin | itsPhilip, what do you want to do? upgrade to squeeze? |
| 21:08.49 | yang___ | When booted into 3.0. kernel the speakers seem to produce some kind of little farting sound ? |
| 21:09.20 | nsadmin | check for gassy tube in cpu |
| 21:09.24 | Iridos | itsPhilip, if you with this mean "install packages from squeeze into lenny without fully upgrading to squeeze", the answer is "no" |
| 21:09.26 | itsPhilip | nsadmin: I wanted to install memcached but the version in the lenny repository is way too old. |
| 21:09.43 | itsPhilip | :( |
| 21:09.45 | Iridos | <-psychic |
| 21:09.49 | nsadmin | you'd be better off backporting |
| 21:09.57 | abrotman | itsPhilip: you should really upgrade to squeeze |
| 21:09.57 | yang___ | gassy tube ? |
| 21:10.04 | abrotman | that's what we call Iridos |
| 21:10.04 | nsadmin | just kidding :P |
| 21:10.06 | yang___ | maybe something ALSA related ? |
| 21:10.17 | yang___ | I upgraded to wheezy |
| 21:10.47 | Iridos | abrotman, you call me gassy tube? |
| 21:10.57 | abrotman | it rhymes |
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| 21:11.33 | Iridos | iridos rhymes with gassy tube?! |
| 21:11.48 | nsadmin | on venus, yes |
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| 21:11.54 | Iridos | you've heard too much non-rhyming rhyming-slang |
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| 21:15.45 | leftyfb | I have a version of a package installed on debian 5.0 from a .deb. I can't for the life of me get the syntax down for pinning that version so no newer version from repo's will be installed. |
| 21:16.16 | leftyfb | googling and reading the man pages and online tutorials doesn't seem to help either |
| 21:16.32 | leftyfb | it seems all the available versions for the package all get the same priority |
| 21:16.51 | abrotman | !hold |
| 21:16.52 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
| 21:16.59 | nsadmin | well if you've read all that, you've maybe learned something that should come across in your question |
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| 21:17.44 | Iridos | does apt-get still ignore aptitude holds? |
| 21:17.44 | yang___ | well |
| 21:17.59 | abrotman | Iridos: think it dpeends which Debian you have |
| 21:18.04 | yang___ | I dunno but speakers produce like some arting/bubble sound now in 3.0 kenel |
| 21:18.14 | yang___ | farting bubbles |
| 21:18.14 | abrotman | yang___: so don't use it? |
| 21:18.22 | Iridos | I mean on squeeze... I'm sure it's fixed on testing |
| 21:18.27 | leftyfb | nsadmin: got a hint? |
| 21:18.31 | nsadmin | yang___, when you do what? |
| 21:18.49 | yang___ | its like now, when I am in the system, it hasnt hapened before |
| 21:18.53 | yang___ | after upgrade to wheezy |
| 21:19.06 | Iridos | leftyfb, the factoid abrotman called up was for you :) |
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| 21:19.29 | yang___ | I ll bot into old kernel and see if it still happens |
| 21:19.58 | nsadmin | that's what we need... more bots and more cowbell |
| 21:20.04 | Iridos | although it's kind of sub-optimal as well as long other package managers ignore it... |
| 21:20.07 | leftyfb | Iridos: I know, but I was wondering if there were a different/preferred way of doing it that nsadmin knew about |
| 21:20.21 | abrotman | because my way is wrong ? |
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| 21:21.29 | yang___ | which would be an easy window manager Wing wdm seems to got removed ? |
| 21:21.30 | Iridos | abrotman, well, it's not great either if you can't enforce use of only aptitude |
| 21:21.39 | leftyfb | abrotman: looking for a method involving /etc/apt/preferences |
| 21:22.00 | abrotman | leftyfb: if you say so .. have fun |
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| 21:22.16 | nsadmin | I may have held packages, and had packages put on hold by the pkg mgr (and usually not tried to find out why)... but overall it's been a long long time since I've had to do it (for example never on the debian I have installed now) |
| 21:22.17 | thewanderer1 | leftyfb: this might help or bork your system, depending on how you set it up: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 21:26.57 | yang___ | what about the error after reboot "stopping LVM crypto disks - failed" ? |
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| 21:31.04 | thewanderer1 | yang___: always happens to me, probably because the root filesystem is still in use (and my / is on LUKS/dm-crypt), but I haven't seen any real problems stemming from this so far |
| 21:31.42 | yang___ | ok |
| 21:31.55 | yang___ | the farting sound dissapeared now when booted into 2.6.32 |
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| 21:32.20 | babilen | wut? |
| 21:32.29 | nsadmin | smut! |
| 21:32.42 | nathwill | farting is an undocumented feature :p |
| 21:33.34 | nsadmin | Sounds of Farts From the 60s! on 43643 CDs! |
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| 21:34.47 | albech | looks like Dspam was removed from Squeeze. How do I fetch that package from Wheezy? |
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| 21:37.17 | brevit | albech: post your /etc/apt/sources.list and we will tell you how to install dspam |
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| 21:37.56 | nsadmin | has anyone had the experience of a usb hub crashing the machine or causing other stuff to happen? |
| 21:38.36 | nsadmin | err didn[t mean to hit enter yet... hold that thought till I get my clothes |
| 21:38.55 | brevit | nsadmin: your question is offtopic here. Ask it at #hardware on freenode |
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| 21:39.51 | nsadmin | actually it's not, because debian is the installed and running os when it happens. Olease do not talk to or about me. |
| 21:40.38 | albech | brevit, http://pastebin.com/YN7f5xc2 |
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| 21:42.12 | albech | brevit, used to be running it back in the days, and was SO happy with its filtering and footprint |
| 21:42.38 | brevit | albech: after line 5, add the following: |
| 21:42.38 | brevit | deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 21:42.38 | brevit | deb-src http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
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| 21:43.21 | babilen | albech: err, no -- don't add the first line. |
| 21:43.26 | brevit | albech: then: apt-get -t testing install dspam # (if you use aptitude, replace apt-get with aptitude) |
| 21:43.32 | babilen | no |
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| 21:43.54 | babilen | ,depends dspam |
| 21:43.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'dspam' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 21:44.03 | babilen | ,depends dspam --release sid |
| 21:44.03 | brevit | babilen: what's wrong with the first line? |
| 21:44.04 | judd | Package dspam -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdspam7 (>= 3.9.0), libpq5 (>= 8.4~), perl, lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), libdspam7-drv-hash (= 3.10.1+dfsg-3) | libdspam7-drv-mysql (= 3.10.1+dfsg-3) | libdspam7-drv-pgsql (= 3.10.1+dfsg-3) | libdspam7-drv-sqlite3 (= 3.10.1+dfsg-3). |
| 21:44.39 | babilen | brevit: Mixing releases is a very bad idea and if not done properly albech will update to wheezy. |
| 21:45.15 | albech | not really interested in a complete upgrade to wheezy |
| 21:45.31 | albech | looks like I may have to compile it? |
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| 21:45.56 | brevit | babilen: I explicitly told him to '-t testing' instead of editing the preferences file or similar |
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| 21:46.17 | _Dave123_ | I got a dedicated server with a harddisk of 160gb, but when I am erasing the disk with shred it shows 150gb.. any clue how come ? |
| 21:46.19 | zfe | hello |
| 21:46.23 | Iridos | brevit, that's still mixing, though |
| 21:46.24 | babilen | albech: That package is probably a bit of work to backport -- The general method is outlined in "/msg dpkg ssb" -- but you have to backport some of the dependencies as well. |
| 21:46.27 | zfe | i was trying to install debian on my notebook (a macbook pro) |
| 21:46.31 | zfe | and it gets always stuck at |
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| 21:46.37 | zfe | "reading aprtitions" |
| 21:46.41 | _Dave123_ | Can I find out remotely how large the real disk size is? I see no partitions |
| 21:47.09 | th0r | _Dave123_: the manufacturer often uses 1000 bytes/k so he gets 160GB. If you calculate using 1024byte/K it comes out less |
| 21:47.21 | albech | babilen, alternatively I could spin up a separate Lenny or Wheezy and use for the filtering |
| 21:47.22 | nsadmin | brevit, that would also be mixing versions. the problem is what versions of things are depended upon, and it could cause a partial upgrade which could break someone's system |
| 21:47.34 | _Dave123_ | th0r: wow didnt even know that |
| 21:47.45 | brevit | _Dave123: doesn't 'df -h' work? |
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| 21:47.47 | _Dave123_ | th0r: any way i can check from a live cd what type of hard disk drive is in? |
| 21:47.50 | _Dave123_ | brevit: sec |
| 21:48.00 | _Dave123_ | i want to find out what type / manufacturer etc it is |
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| 21:48.08 | zykotick9 | brevit, won't work without a filesystem |
| 21:48.22 | _Dave123_ | brevit: live cd, its not mounted im 20 pass shreding it |
| 21:48.26 | babilen | albech: I would expect that all the *dspam packages are build from the same source package -- I would try a backport. Might not be that hard. |
| 21:48.27 | Iridos | _Dave123_, hdparm -I |
| 21:48.44 | Iridos | _Dave123_, or more exactly: hdparm -I /dev/yourdevice |
| 21:49.05 | nsadmin | _Dave123_, that information should be on the label of the drive |
| 21:49.11 | albech | babilen, let me close the current mail server sq for testing before I continue :) |
| 21:49.16 | _Dave123_ | nsadmin: i cannot se that |
| 21:49.23 | nsadmin | because? |
| 21:49.23 | albech | babilen, close/clone |
| 21:49.30 | babilen | albech: Sure |
| 21:49.40 | _Dave123_ | Iridos: hdparm -i or -I /dev/sda give no result - maybe because its not mounted and i am using 'shred' to erase it? |
| 21:49.53 | _Dave123_ | nsadmin: because its in the data center that i currently have no pass for |
| 21:49.54 | babilen | albech: But *do not* mix releases. In particular not on production systems. |
| 21:50.25 | albech | babilen, i did not intend to.. glad i didnt go through |
| 21:50.26 | _Dave123_ | Iridos: sorry i see it now |
| 21:50.40 | _Dave123_ | th0r: you were right, 1000kb for 160gb 1024 for 152gb |
| 21:50.43 | Iridos | _Dave123_, no. If that's the device, it should work.... except possibly if it's real scsi and not emulated |
| 21:50.59 | th0r | _Dave123_: been a common practice for a long time, and a legit gripe |
| 21:51.28 | nsadmin | debian has the attribute that packages are grouped together and tested to make sure they all work together... using different versions would require more testing |
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| 21:52.10 | Iridos | although they _should_ |
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| 21:52.51 | nsadmin | this is how debian does stability, and some find this annoying because they want newer stuff sooner. if that's the case maybe debian is not for you, or at least not for the purpose you're putting an operating system on that computer for. |
| 21:53.16 | brevit | albech: I did not intend to instruct you to harm your system. But that's the way I did install packages from more recent branches since APT config files are set to keep the system at the branch Debian has been installed to except those which are explicitly told otherwise |
| 21:54.13 | albech | brevit, i know and I appreciate the intention of helping out |
| 21:54.16 | babilen | brevit: Not if you configure that explicitly (by setting the default release) and mixing stable with anything else is a bad idea |
| 21:54.47 | twobitsprite | having some problems with atftpd in squeeze... seems like no matter what options I give it, it just prints the usage... anyone manage to get atftpd to work in squeeze? |
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| 21:55.04 | babilen | brevit: I mean, not by default -- you have to configure it explicitly. And that is only a good idea if you are running testing and want to pull things from unstable. |
| 21:55.24 | albech | i may all together have to look for another spam filtering package if i cannot get the backport solution working |
| 21:55.24 | twobitsprite | the last thing it does in strace before it starts writing the usage is: mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x7f112415f000 |
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| 21:56.23 | babilen | albech: crm114, spamassassin or bogofilter come to mind |
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| 21:56.49 | albech | babilen, not fond of SA.. the footprint was WAY too big last time i tested it |
| 21:56.53 | brevit | babilen: I am wondering anyway why Debian isn't installed with an /etc/apt/preferences like this http://www.rifers.org/paste/show/1441 |
| 21:57.00 | albech | will check bogo again i guess |
| 21:57.02 | brevit | (by default) |
| 21:57.23 | babilen | brevit: Because you should not mix stable with anything else. |
| 21:57.59 | _Dave123_ | I'm trying to securely shred/erase a hdd on a dedicate server.. Is there anything else that can be done apart from shred -zvn20 /dev/sda ? |
| 21:58.14 | brevit | babilen: that's exactly the point. With that line people at least don't unintentionally install packages from different branches; only those they explicitly specify |
| 21:58.28 | babilen | brevit: Which they should never do |
| 21:58.55 | Iridos | _Dave123_, take a hammer, remove drive from computer, do what comes naturally |
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| 21:59.42 | brevit | Iridos: how long have you studied to gain that kind of adcanced knowledge? |
| 22:00.33 | Iridos | brevit, just came to me in a vision... |
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| 22:00.40 | Iridos | anyway... he ASKED that |
| 22:00.49 | babilen | brevit: I wouldn't expect dspam to be particularly hard to backport, but please review http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=dspam (in particular the grave/serious bugs that have been fixed) |
| 22:00.57 | _Dave123_ | Iridos: not possible |
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| 22:01.37 | brevit | babilen: okay... that's a point.. |
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| 22:02.10 | nsadmin | a point to be understood fully before giving advice around that topic |
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| 22:02.21 | brevit | nsadmin: right |
| 22:02.36 | babilen | brevit: I don't want to discourage you from using it and I haven't read all the bugs myself -- I was just curious why it had been removed and wanted to point out further information. |
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| 22:04.09 | brevit | babilen: I am not using dspam anyway but now, as you are saying it, maybe when packages are just removed from stable without proper replacement there might be some kind of reason behind it... |
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| 22:05.50 | Iridos | ha, actually that's interesting |
| 22:06.02 | Iridos | _Dave123_, man hdparm, search for security-erase |
| 22:06.13 | _Dave123_ | Iridos: hdparm works well |
| 22:06.24 | Iridos | it's a feature of my HDD at least, I see it in -I |
| 22:06.35 | _Dave123_ | tep |
| 22:06.36 | _Dave123_ | yep |
| 22:07.21 | babilen | brevit: It was removed from testing (squeeze at that time) at 2009-10-25 and the new version has not been uploaded until 2011 |
| 22:10.11 | tharkun | Gentlemen why when I change locale from es_MX.UTF-8 to es_MX ISO-8859-1 gdm3 fails to respawn itself when an erroneous password is suplied. When the locale is es_MX.UTF-8 is the current locale everything works fine |
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| 22:10.31 | brevit | babilen: hmm... that's almost two years. I mean... since Debian (and especially stable )isn't that unimportant in the unix-like world the developers don't seem to be that interested in distributing their software by keeping it stable |
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| 22:11.36 | babilen | brevit: If you are interested read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577661 |
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| 22:14.09 | Iridos | I meant: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase |
| 22:14.25 | Iridos | dunno how useful that is, though |
| 22:14.32 | Iridos | first time that I see it exists |
| 22:14.53 | brevit | babilen: I am, in fact, not that interested in dspam since I do not use it. But, in general, when a package is not available in stable for years, it is an indicator that it is not maintained/developed that well, isn't it? |
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| 22:16.28 | Iridos | if it's not in stable there's usually a reason for that |
| 22:16.32 | jhutchins_lt | brevit: Sometimes debian-grade stability is not something that developers are working on at a given point. |
| 22:16.33 | Iridos | usually not a reason you like |
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| 22:17.35 | brevit | Iridos: but Debian is not some unknown niche distribution! When I want programs I program to be distributed, the official Debian repositories wouldn't be the last places I would look for its sanity |
| 22:17.53 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 22:18.10 | brevit | TrueDD: have a nice sleep |
| 22:18.50 | TrueDD | have a good night too, brevit |
| 22:19.03 | jhutchins_lt | Some people would consider being booted from Debian a pretty strong condemnation of a package's quality. |
| 22:20.01 | babilen | It was also not well maintained apparently -- Please read the bug if interested and take a look at upstreams release history. |
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| 22:27.20 | benji321 | Hello, is there a way to come up with an init script that would be compatible with Debian/Ubuntu/RedHat/Suze/centOS/Solaris .. ? |
| 22:27.50 | benji321 | I mean is there any kind of common ground on this ? |
| 22:29.11 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 22:29.29 | tensorpudding | system v initscripts |
| 22:30.02 | tensorpudding | all their init systems will support system v's format |
| 22:30.16 | tensorpudding | well, except maybe solari |
| 22:30.16 | tensorpudding | s |
| 22:30.33 | Iridos | I thought ubuntu switched to ... wossname... upstart? |
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| 22:31.05 | tensorpudding | upstart supports system v |
| 22:31.18 | tensorpudding | upstream doesn't always provide upstart scripts |
| 22:31.22 | tensorpudding | likewise for systemd |
| 22:32.15 | Iridos | was just reading on upstart... right |
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| 22:35.15 | benji321 | tensorpudding, thank you |
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| 23:04.41 | rayfranco | Hi ! |
| 23:06.06 | rayfranco | Is there someone to help ? Or should I come later ? |
| 23:06.28 | streuner_ | !ask |
| 23:06.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:09.24 | rayfranco | Thanks, all right here is my problem. I just installed Squeeze on my server, so I tried to get the same config I was running on lenny. Everything works fine, but I got a problem once I installed Gitosis. I'm unable to connect via ssh with root for obscure reason |
| 23:09.47 | rayfranco | I got this error message : PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
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| 23:11.43 | rayfranco | so then I googled that, and I saw that we could force login by using command : ssh -l root [IP] "/bin/bash -i" |
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| 23:13.14 | rayfranco | Then I saw it was an error thrown by Gitosis. So I purge gitosis to see if it resolves the problem (so I can try to make a Gitosis clean install) but now it says "bash: gitosis-serve : commande introuvable" |
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| 23:13.33 | rayfranco | (in english, he can't find "gitosis-serve" command) |
| 23:13.55 | rayfranco | what's wrong with my /bin/bash ? |
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| 23:15.30 | streuner_ | judd, file gitosis-serve |
| 23:15.34 | judd | gitosis-serve in squeeze/i386: gitosis: usr/bin/gitosis-serve |
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| 23:17.33 | rayfranco | sorry, but I don't understand how this can help me... :/ |
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| 23:20.23 | nevyn | gitolite for new deployments.. |
| 23:21.59 | rayfranco | thanks for the alternative |
| 23:22.13 | rayfranco | but I could I repair ssh ? |
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| 23:26.07 | nevyn | how many users are there on your system? |
| 23:26.14 | Rafase282 | Hello, quick question, how do I add /etc/init.d/nodm to start up at boot? |
| 23:26.39 | streuner_ | what should do that at all? |
| 23:26.41 | namtorba | !run at startup |
| 23:26.41 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 23:27.06 | Rafase282 | thanks |
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| 23:30.44 | rayfranco | nevyn: there is root, git and pureftpd and a personnal account |
| 23:31.07 | rayfranco | I mean that I've added 3 account manually after the clean install |
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| 23:36.22 | nevyn | rayfranco: there's no way you should be running out of pty's with that few users. |
| 23:37.19 | rayfranco | nevyn: pty ? |
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| 23:37.36 | nevyn | PTY allocation request failed |
| 23:37.54 | nevyn | this usually means you've run out of pty's but with only three users that's very unlikely |
| 23:38.11 | nevyn | unless something forked and ate them all |
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| 23:39.52 | rayfranco | Oh ok... Maybe something is looping ? |
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| 23:40.42 | streuner_ | rayfranco: offcial kernel? |
| 23:41.11 | me-alone | hi...how do i install media codecs...? |
| 23:41.17 | nevyn | !d-m |
| 23:41.17 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 23:41.50 | rayfranco | hum... I really don't know... |
| 23:41.51 | nevyn | me-alone: ^^^ |
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| 23:42.06 | streuner_ | rayfranco: cat /proc/version |
| 23:42.44 | rayfranco | streuner_ : version 2.6.38.2-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32 (root@kernel-32.ovh.net) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #1 SMP Fri Apr 15 17:41:28 UTC 2011 |
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| 23:43.13 | me-alone | nevyn, i have added non free whats next |
| 23:44.13 | streuner_ | rayfranco: try an official kernel, it might help |
| 23:45.14 | rayfranco | ok thanks |
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| 23:50.15 | nevyn | me-alone: you need a different repo for codecs that are restricted by patents. |
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| 23:50.32 | nevyn | me-alone: For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 23:51.18 | me-alone | nevyn, and how can i install libre office..? |
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| 23:52.08 | nevyn | me-alone: the same way you install everything on debian. with apt. |
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| 23:52.27 | cobe571 | do you know if there's plans to integrate ffmpeg 0.8 on debian 6? |
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| 23:53.05 | streuner_ | judd, versions ffmpeg |
| 23:53.06 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-5; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-5; experimental: 4:0.7.1-2; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.8-0.2; sid-multimedia: 5:0.8.2-0.0 |
| 23:53.13 | me-alone | nevyn, libre office is not in repos |
| 23:53.27 | streuner_ | sure |
| 23:53.33 | boudiccas | me-alone; i installed LO from their website using dpkg |
| 23:53.36 | streuner_ | there are there |
| 23:53.58 | boudiccas | me-alone; LO is in the backports repo |
| 23:55.03 | streuner_ | cobe571: if ffmpeg 0.8 isnt in stable, you should search for a backport or make your own backport |
| 23:55.15 | me-alone | boudiccas, i will go for dpkg if could tell me the steps ( i will download using my friends pc my connection is very slow) |
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| 23:56.57 | cobe571 | streuner_: I need FFMPEG 0.8 on debian sqeeze cause it's requested to compile Blender 2.5. I compiled FFMPEG from the tarball but i have a lot of troubles |
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| 23:57.40 | streuner_ | Blender isnt in Debian since ages |
| 23:57.49 | boudiccas | me-alone; i blogged about it on june 9th at http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/archives/2011/06/index.html |
| 23:57.50 | tharkun | !tell me-alone about libreoffice |
| 23:57.54 | streuner_ | sounds like headaches in future |
| 23:57.57 | bst | !libreoffice |
| 23:57.58 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is packaged in <testing> and <squeeze-backports>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 |
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| 23:58.33 | cobe571 | streuner_ I compile Blender myself with scons |
| 23:59.14 | cobe571 | just looking for a solution : to have ffmpeg 0.8 on debian 6 |
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| 23:59.48 | tharkun | !tell cobe571 about uupdate |
