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| 00:33.35 | SkilZ | What file do I edit to tell x to start the window manager? |
| 00:33.44 | SkilZ | like for fluxbox or gnome or what every |
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| 00:35.56 | archman | hello |
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| 00:36.37 | archman | i'm trying to install pidgin with "apt-get install pidgin" from the squeeze repo (two different mirrors tried) and i'm getting a "pidgin : Depends: libpurple0 (>= 2.7.0) but it is not going to be installed" error. any ideas? |
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| 00:38.14 | crunchbang | hey if i dd'd the .iso to a pendrive then booted it am i running persistent |
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| 00:39.46 | SkilZ | archman: So install libpurple- |
| 00:40.33 | archman | SkilZ: libpurple0 : Depends: libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:40.36 | archman | SkilZ: etc... |
| 00:40.47 | SkilZ | Install them all |
| 00:41.06 | archman | SkilZ: so i should just follow the errors and install one by one? |
| 00:41.11 | wols | crunchbang: dd of what? |
| 00:41.30 | wols | archman: no. what's in your sources.list and what are you currently running? |
| 00:41.41 | crunchbang | i dd the crunchbang statler iso to a pen drive wols |
| 00:41.52 | crunchbang | its a debian squeeze spin |
| 00:42.03 | wols | !crunchbang |
| 00:42.03 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 00:42.18 | crunchbang | rooms empty dude |
| 00:42.24 | wols | !they don't know |
| 00:42.24 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 00:43.07 | archman | wols: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124147/raw |
| 00:43.18 | archman | wols: squeeze (stable) |
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| 00:43.51 | wols | archman: I doubt it. do a dist-upgrade |
| 00:44.21 | wols | archman: and you don't want to have "stable" in your sources.list but "squeeze" |
| 00:44.39 | archman | wols: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124147/raw |
| 00:44.51 | archman | wols: aah, sorry, --> nothing to upgrade |
| 00:45.22 | wols | apt-cache policy libperl5.10 |
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| 00:46.22 | archman | wols: Installed: (none) |
| 00:46.37 | max_sharpe | hmmmm |
| 00:46.57 | wols | archman: dpkg -l |grep libperl |
| 00:47.24 | archman | wols: zero |
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| 00:47.41 | archman | wols: when trying to install i get "libperl5.10: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-17squeeze1) but 5.10.1-17squeeze2" |
| 00:47.45 | sixyearsofdreams | ive got some great news! my debian lenny is runnin better than 00web host company :D |
| 00:47.45 | wols | archman: congrats. you don't run debian. have a nice day |
| 00:47.48 | sixyearsofdreams | lol |
| 00:47.50 | sixyearsofdreams | so sad |
| 00:47.59 | archman | wols: what? |
| 00:48.03 | max_sharpe | installs debian |
| 00:48.20 | sixyearsofdreams | lol max_sharpe :) |
| 00:48.35 | wols | archman: you cannot remove libperl. dpkg/debconf needs libperl, no way around it unless you explicitly say "yes I am so stupid I want to remove libperl and destroy my debian installation" |
| 00:48.44 | max_sharpe | but i am. |
| 00:48.47 | max_sharpe | on my old laptop |
| 00:48.53 | max_sharpe | the other hd died. |
| 00:49.14 | archman | wols: so this means the debian stable iso is useless? |
| 00:49.15 | max_sharpe | i thinkthis time i want a gui |
| 00:49.32 | max_sharpe | well if you put it on a cd you can use it as a coaster |
| 00:49.33 | wols | archman: what has the iso to do with anything? |
| 00:49.58 | nsadmin | archman, not generally useless, no |
| 00:50.04 | archman | wols: ok, i'm just asking how to solve this. any ideas? |
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| 00:50.41 | wols | archman: last time: what did you do? to fsck it all up this badly, you have to do something really bad. it doesn't happen on its own |
| 00:50.45 | ectospasm | archman: what's the hash of the ISO you're trying to install? |
| 00:51.01 | ectospasm | archman: MD5/SHA1 sum, etc. |
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| 00:51.31 | archman | ectospasm: i don't have it anymore, but i have the cd.. |
| 00:51.45 | ectospasm | archman: don't post it here, just compare it with the known hash value |
| 00:51.45 | archman | wols: what did i do? i installed debian! :D |
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| 00:51.59 | wols | archman: no you did not. how do you think you installed it? |
| 00:52.05 | archman | ... |
| 00:52.06 | ectospasm | archman: my guess is the hashes don't match |
| 00:52.21 | archman | ectospasm: any way to use the cd to see this? |
| 00:52.29 | archman | ectospasm: the cd i installed from |
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| 00:52.50 | ectospasm | I've used "sha1sum /dev/cdrom" before, but that doesn't always work |
| 00:52.51 | wols | archman: is the CD still in your drive? have you booted from your CD right now? |
| 00:52.58 | nsadmin | archman, yeah, using the cd will be the same as the iso if your if=/dev/thatdevice |
| 00:53.13 | archman | wols: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso this isn't right? |
| 00:53.25 | nsadmin | err md5sum /dev/thatdevice |
| 00:53.30 | nsadmin | sorry |
| 00:53.32 | archman | ok |
| 00:53.34 | wols | that#s the debian installer CD, yes. and what did you do with this CD? |
| 00:54.02 | wols | archman: if you install debian with this CD, there is no way around you getting libperl on your system. none. |
| 00:54.15 | archman | wols: i burned it with ashampoo (since i didn't have any os on my own, so i had to use some other machine) |
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| 00:54.50 | ectospasm | archman: the sum must match the list, if it does not, well... you'll need to burn another CD |
| 00:54.51 | wols | archman: have you installed debian from this CD and have you afterwards rebooted, seen your grub menu and booted debian from harddisk? |
| 00:55.10 | archman | wols: sure thing... |
| 00:55.21 | wols | archman: I want a yes or no. not some gibberish |
| 00:55.33 | max_sharpe | is that good or bad if he has libperl on his system? |
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| 00:55.57 | wols | max_sharpe: libperl is essential for debian to work. it must be there, cannot be missing |
| 00:56.50 | max_sharpe | ohh so if he doenst have it he shouldnt be able to run. |
| 00:57.02 | max_sharpe | i am generally to lazy to compare the hashes , |
| 00:57.11 | max_sharpe | but sometimes that comes and bites me in the butt later one |
| 00:57.45 | wols | I think I never ever compared hashes. most what happens is you cannot install due to some random error or other. rarely happens too |
| 00:58.19 | archman | wols: "yes" |
| 00:58.37 | sixyearsofdreams | i think it happend to me once but i downloaded a large file via wifi |
| 00:58.38 | sixyearsofdreams | lol |
| 00:58.44 | wols | archman: ls -l /usr/lib/libperl* |
| 00:58.46 | sixyearsofdreams | then i checkd them and they didnt match |
| 00:58.58 | archman | ectospasm: completely matches (md5sum) |
| 00:59.26 | archman | wols: "ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libperl*: No such file or directory" |
| 00:59.48 | wols | archman: restore from backup |
| 01:00.06 | archman | :D |
| 01:00.06 | wols | and you did more than just install debian from CD1 |
| 01:00.55 | archman | interesting... |
| 01:01.12 | nsadmin | so when debian perl is built, the config is arranged so a libperl is built... right? |
| 01:01.13 | UncleNinja | So, what's the point of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf compared to apache2.conf? Is it just an empty file that does nothing? |
| 01:01.25 | nsadmin | is it possible libperl is in /lib? |
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| 01:01.53 | wols | nsadmin: check yourself. pdo knows |
| 01:02.26 | wols | UncleNinja: read your /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 01:02.31 | nsadmin | , file libperl* |
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| 01:02.58 | UncleNinja | wols: it's an empty file, there's nothing in it. |
| 01:03.25 | wols | UncleNinja: which debian version? |
| 01:03.39 | UncleNinja | wols: 6, squeeze |
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| 01:05.04 | wols | UncleNinja: http://paste.debian.net/126802/ |
| 01:05.15 | archman | wols: "you did more"... like? |
| 01:05.31 | archman | wols: tried different mirrors? |
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| 01:06.07 | UncleNinja | wols: thanks! |
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| 01:06.34 | nsadmin | archman, that's exactly the question he's asking... what exactly did you do after installing? he's thinking you used rm to prune dirs maybe |
| 01:06.38 | wols | archman: you did something ecplicitly to make libperl disappear. perl is always installed when you install debian, no way around it. you cannot remove perl unless you massively force your system to remove it |
| 01:06.51 | ectospasm | archman: I've always found its better to use the official Debian mirror for your location during the installation process |
| 01:07.10 | archman | i never used rm...(and i'm not a newbie) |
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| 01:07.15 | wols | no he didn't just rm. rm would show the package still installed. even removing it shows it still as "un" usually. so there is a lot he's not telling |
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| 01:07.30 | archman | wols: what the fuck! :D:D:D:D::D |
| 01:07.31 | ectospasm | wols: nsadmin I think s/he's saying the installer is throwing that message |
| 01:07.33 | wols | which makes me start to think he's trolling us. what he says simply doesn't add up |
| 01:07.46 | archman | this is just... |
| 01:08.03 | archman | trolling?... |
| 01:08.10 | nsadmin | ectospasm, you mean "ls: can't access: libperl* not found"? |
| 01:08.13 | wols | ectospasm: he complains about not being able to install pidgin via apt-get install. you cannot run apt-get install in the installer. and I asked him if he installed debian and booted from it: he said yes |
| 01:08.15 | archman | i was just asking why i got this error... :/ |
| 01:08.39 | wols | archman: dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 01:09.05 | ectospasm | wols: I didn't catch that part. |
| 01:09.07 | ectospasm | sits down |
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| 01:09.40 | archman | wols: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124149/raw |
| 01:09.41 | nsadmin | archman, I think we all have that in common... we all want to know why. for us, lack of perl looks really strange, because perl (and libperl) are in the base |
| 01:09.42 | wols | archman: run "perl -V" |
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| 01:10.48 | archman | wols: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124152/raw |
| 01:11.23 | ectospasm | is it really lack of perl? Or is libpurple demanding a libperl version that is not in the repo? |
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| 01:11.47 | wols | ,versins libper5.10 |
| 01:12.12 | wols | ectospasm: ven then, it's only debian repos he has in his sources.list, can't be that they are incompatible with each other |
| 01:12.18 | wols | ,versions libper5.10 |
| 01:12.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libper5.10' was found in i386. |
| 01:12.23 | nsadmin | ou ave ssing ys |
| 01:12.25 | wols | ,versions libperl5.10 |
| 01:12.26 | judd | Package libperl5.10 on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2 |
| 01:12.49 | wols | !tell archman about sources.list |
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| 01:12.56 | wols | !tell archman about squeeze sources.list |
| 01:13.45 | archman | wols: i got nothing |
| 01:14.06 | wols | you did. twice. in another window, by dpkg |
| 01:14.25 | archman | wols: i'm sorry, true |
| 01:14.42 | nsadmin | his perl, in any case, seems to be working |
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| 01:15.23 | archman | wols: and you're giving me this after i pasted you my sources.list? |
| 01:15.32 | wols | nsadmin: he still didn't tell us what he did after the install. my thinking is there were other sources.list entries before. at least that's the most likely explanation |
| 01:15.51 | wols | archman: yes I do |
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| 01:15.54 | nsadmin | archman: perl -e 'print "Bubba, WUBBA!\n";' |
| 01:16.19 | wols | archman: and I'm done with asking and not getting an answer. waste of time. good night |
| 01:16.19 | archman | wols: i have other entries, but they're commented out. is that a problem? |
| 01:16.42 | wols | archman: can be. if they ever were used, then yes this can very much be a problem |
| 01:16.46 | nsadmin | entries you added after the fact? |
| 01:16.49 | archman | wols: seems like i'm the lower class, unfortunately. thanks, bye. |
| 01:17.28 | wols | archman: if you don't give us the full infomration and selectively edit, we cannot help you. either give all the information or don't bother. |
| 01:17.28 | nsadmin | archman: lower class? you're reading A LOT into this that is not present |
| 01:18.03 | max_sharpe | no its true |
| 01:18.19 | archman | my full sources.list: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124153/raw |
| 01:18.29 | archman | after this i will "apt-get update" |
| 01:18.32 | archman | again.. |
| 01:18.33 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 01:19.06 | archman | done, any ideas? |
| 01:19.34 | nsadmin | the non-us thing has been completely dead for years; how did that appear? |
| 01:20.07 | wols | people remove security repos and then wonder why shit breaks. well, it's pre-sunday so I guess it's expected |
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| 01:21.11 | archman | nsadmin: from some outdated guide, but it's commented now |
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| 01:23.28 | archman | wols, nsadmin, thanks for the help. |
| 01:23.36 | nsadmin | so I see. and, I think it's possible that some items of this guide could have outdated and possibly damaging info, but not sure |
| 01:24.00 | nsadmin | some things before you go... |
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| 01:24.44 | archman | nsadmin: yes? |
| 01:25.14 | nsadmin | do you have files on that installation containing your own original material (recipes, songs, poems, altered config files, stories, program source, etc) that you would like to keep? |
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| 01:25.55 | archman | nsadmin: already backed up (this problem is solved with including security repo, though) |
| 01:26.09 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 01:26.58 | sixyearsofdreams | is there debian offtopic |
| 01:27.06 | nsadmin | I was going to say, that if you do and you also have backups, one choice you have is to try reinstalling (and we'd all recommend the guide you use is... |
| 01:27.09 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 01:27.09 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 01:27.13 | nsadmin | ) |
| 01:27.40 | archman | nsadmin: no matter what distribution i use, i always have to use the security squeeze repo? |
| 01:27.53 | nsadmin | no of course not |
| 01:28.10 | nsadmin | it's not applicable to anything but debian |
| 01:28.22 | archman | nsadmin: i'm planning to move to testing now, so i need to learn about it to do the right thing |
| 01:28.29 | nsadmin | having said that, perhaps the fixes they represent should be considered by other dists |
| 01:29.01 | nsadmin | you should read the wheezy release notes (if they exist yet) |
| 01:30.00 | Hydroxide | a bit early for wheezy release notes, tbh |
| 01:30.58 | Hydroxide | freeze isn't for roughly another year according to current plans, and then there's still a bunch of testing and bug fixing |
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| 01:31.02 | nsadmin | hmm. then, replace with anything that describes how to upgrade to wheezy |
| 01:31.05 | archman | nsadmin: in every guide i look, they say that i should just substitute the distrib codename with the one i want to use; but i don't see any "testing-updates" on my mirror.. |
| 01:31.25 | nsadmin | well there's more that's recommended... |
| 01:31.27 | Hydroxide | archman: yeah, there's no testing-updates. that's just for stable. |
| 01:31.38 | nsadmin | which I'll outline |
| 01:31.55 | Hydroxide | archman: there's no security repository for testng either - which of course means that there is less security support |
| 01:32.00 | nsadmin | so don't do any of this yet... just write it down... |
| 01:32.12 | nsadmin | once you're started, you're committed |
| 01:32.15 | archman | Hydroxide: so if i want to use testing, i just use the "deb http://mirrors.se.kernel.org/debian testing main contrib non-free" line and leave others? |
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| 01:32.27 | Hydroxide | archman: roughly speaking, yes. but listen to what nsadmin is going to tell you :) |
| 01:33.04 | nsadmin | the first thing you would do is as the guide says, you would replace the names in sources.list, and comment out any backports, dmm, other sources for now |
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| 01:34.03 | nsadmin | the next thing is either upgrade dpkg/apt/aptitude, or upgrade kernel and reboot |
| 01:34.08 | nsadmin | then do the other one |
| 01:34.13 | archman | nsadmin: if i replace "squeeze-updates" with "testing-updates" i get nothing.. |
| 01:34.34 | nsadmin | hmm. so that's bad... |
| 01:34.54 | archman | as you said, "replace the names" |
| 01:34.55 | nsadmin | that's the security line, yes? |
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| 01:35.22 | archman | nsadmin: no, "deb http://mirrors.se.kernel.org/debian testing main contrib non-free" |
| 01:35.27 | nsadmin | oh also, I'll recommend you consider using the name wheezy instead of testing |
| 01:35.29 | nsadmin | because |
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| 01:35.39 | nsadmin | you can get surprised in some months from now |
| 01:35.49 | archman | nsadmin: Hydroxide just said there's not Security... |
| 01:35.59 | archman | nsadmin: surprised with unstableness? |
| 01:36.08 | archman | s/not/no |
| 01:36.25 | nsadmin | no, surprised when wheezy is released, and something else becomes testing |
| 01:36.29 | DasEi | archman: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates |
| 01:36.29 | DasEi | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates |
| 01:36.55 | nsadmin | but don't use those while upgrading |
| 01:37.09 | nsadmin | you can put them in, but comment them |
| 01:37.32 | nsadmin | so, let's say you have that part done, and are ready for the next step |
| 01:37.42 | DasEi | :) first dist-upgrade, and then think of how testified you wanna get |
| 01:37.45 | nsadmin | I'll recommend you use aptituce from now on |
| 01:37.58 | archman | why not apt-get? |
| 01:38.18 | nsadmin | aptitude is better at resolving deps due to better algorithms |
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| 01:39.23 | nsadmin | apt-get has been around for years, people started using it immediately and got really excited... but apt-get was originally meant as simply a test of the apt libs |
| 01:40.48 | nsadmin | the guy started on the user interface of something that was going to be called deity, renamed to apt... and I'm STILL waiting for apt... aptitude and synaptic came out first |
| 01:41.04 | nsadmin | but that's another story... |
| 01:41.10 | nsadmin | so, you run aptitude update |
| 01:41.33 | nsadmin | then, aptitude install aptitude dpkg apt-get |
| 01:41.41 | archman | DasEi: "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates" "Malformed line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)" |
| 01:42.11 | nsadmin | then the kernel, and reboot right after |
| 01:42.43 | nsadmin | then after that the recommendation is to first run aptitude safe-upgrade and then aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 01:46.09 | nsadmin | that should do it... after that, invocations of aptitude full-upgrade shoudl get you 0/0/0/0 |
| 01:46.27 | nsadmin | (aka "nothing to do") |
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| 01:47.01 | DasEi | archman: on wheezy already ? might not be up yet, syntax is correct |
| 01:48.34 | archman | DasEi: it's supposed to be "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 01:49.56 | nsadmin | right, and I'm not sure wheezy has security updates yet |
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| 01:51.08 | nsadmin | foooooooo are you! foo foo foo foo |
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| 01:52.15 | archman | can i somehow disable the upgrading of the kernel? something like arch's update blacklist.. |
| 01:53.07 | nsadmin | well maybe, but be sure you know what you're doing. it's a VERY good chance that the core stuff in wheezy depends on particular kernel version |
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| 01:53.56 | nsadmin | what has you wanting to keep the kernel you have? |
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| 01:54.21 | archman | nsadmin: i want an older, more tested kernel |
| 01:54.33 | archman | 2.6.32 works good here |
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| 01:55.35 | nsadmin | wouldn't you therefore want older, more tested everything? just asking :) |
| 01:55.54 | archman | nsadmin: no, i want a rolling release |
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| 01:56.18 | archman | nsadmin: so i don't have to do massive upgrades every year |
| 01:57.24 | nsadmin | not sure this would solve that problem, but I will point out that aptitude and apt-get have -d, which just downloads package files and does not install them until you re-invoke without the -d |
| 01:57.57 | DasEi | !hold |
| 01:57.58 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
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| 01:58.14 | DasEi | see warning above, archman |
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| 01:59.08 | nsadmin | but debian doesn't have a rolling release thing, not really... ubuntu does, but there's a way they're not even based on debian: they start with debian unstable and do local changes and release periodically |
| 01:59.40 | nsadmin | they're absolutely not based on debian's stability |
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| 01:59.43 | archman | nsadmin: so many debian users talking completely different things :) |
| 01:59.54 | archman | DasEi: thanks! |
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| 02:01.04 | nsadmin | archman, I say potato, you say Stella by Neutron Particle Beam Weapon Flash... |
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| 02:01.30 | DasEi | archman: deselect is another method, I'm currently fiddling with related problems, an I really like vm's (that I can just drop or re-clone) for such adventures in try and error |
| 02:01.53 | DasEi | and* |
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| 02:02.10 | nsadmin | oh, man... dselect... hate hate! :) |
| 02:02.21 | DasEi | duck, |
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| 02:02.56 | nsadmin | it got barely tolerable when they added the apt-get method |
| 02:03.09 | archman | nsadmin: "but debian doesn't have a rolling release"... testing is a rolling release (you recieve updates all the time, not once in two years, like with stable) |
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| 02:03.34 | nsadmin | your' |
| 02:04.03 | nsadmin | re right, but at the same time it's not a stable release followed by release after |
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| 02:04.28 | archman | yeah |
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| 02:05.01 | DasEi | nsadmin: I don't know where it ends, I'm on getting the dif from a source-dpkg build and have a compatible deb in the end, but I'm rather learning in how to keep a system stable other then all that work the pro's done |
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| 02:05.08 | nsadmin | archman, I'll note in passing that some people have remotes that use debian, which have uptimes of 5 years and up |
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| 02:07.15 | nsadmin | DasEi, it's that plus reading the source (and perhaps the diff and before applying it), and testing to make sure things all work together with the 1000+ other debian packages that you may have installed |
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| 02:08.08 | DasEi | nsadmin: is where I got since yesterday, well I'll see how long it takes me to bork my vm |
| 02:09.12 | nsadmin | oh yeah, I was going to play with nm |
| 02:09.18 | nsadmin | forgot about that |
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| 02:11.15 | lotus-blade | is there an easy way to shut down xorg so that I can go to terminal only? |
| 02:12.20 | DasEi | lotus-blade: sudo service gdm3 stop, or sudo init 1 for single-usermode |
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| 02:12.49 | Diopter | lol |
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| 02:18.19 | tharkun | Gentlemen I've had had this ocasional trouble with gdm3 that some users are unable to login when they missed their password on the first chance. Has anyone else experienced this isue, and how if at all have you fixed it. |
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| 02:34.20 | nsadmin | tharkun, back. xdmcp to a remote gdm3? |
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| 03:07.24 | nsadmin | what is "D-bus interface"? |
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| 03:17.56 | unkmar | could ip6 be my internet problem with wget and iceweasel? |
| 03:18.07 | unkmar | IPv6? |
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| 03:20.00 | mplabs | Hello |
| 03:20.12 | mplabs | did anyone try to install bochs-debugger? |
| 03:20.20 | mplabs | I'm trying to compile it using --enable-debugger --enable-disasm but it says "ERROR: X windows gui was selected, but X windows libraries were not found." |
| 03:20.54 | mplabs | which libraries should I install? |
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| 03:29.15 | mplabs | never mind, I found it |
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| 03:32.02 | craigevil | unkmar, one way to find out, disable it in iceweasel |
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| 03:32.49 | unkmar | craigevil: I don't know how |
| 03:34.35 | craigevil | unkmar, http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox%20cannot%20load%20websites%20but%20other%20programs%20can#w_ipv6 |
| 03:34.43 | unkmar | I flat out have a DNS issue. iceweasel reaches google.com fine by the IP. |
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| 03:35.05 | Diopter | unkmar: You're on a v6-enabled machine? |
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| 03:35.35 | unkmar | Diopter: yes but my network is not v6 capable and I'm not using a broker. |
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| 03:36.23 | Diopter | unkmar: Oh, so what exactly is the question concerning v6 and DNS? I don't think I saw it fully |
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| 03:36.55 | craigevil | unkmar, try using opendns, google dns, and/or disabling ipv6 system-wide |
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| 03:37.07 | unkmar | I have chromium, iceweasel, ping, and wget, that I have used. iceweasel and wget do not resolv. |
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| 03:38.33 | Diopter | unkmar: Do you have any v6 routes in your routing table that are not fe80:: (ip -6 r), any v6 IPs in /etc/resolv.conf, are you running nscd, or do you have any v6 IPs on your interfaces that aren't fe80:: (ip a)? |
| 03:39.29 | unkmar | Diopter: now I remember, I had to deactivate lo last time. |
| 03:39.46 | Diopter | You shouldn't have to disable IPv6 to make full and normal use of your v4 stack. |
| 03:40.30 | Diopter | So long as you don't have routing or DNS or a caching service configured strangely for v6, or non-link-local v6 addresses on your adapter(s)... |
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| 03:41.22 | unkmar | I gave up on should and shouldn'ts along time ago. and started going with what works when I don't have time to fight it. |
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| 03:42.13 | unkmar | That didn't work. :( |
| 03:42.37 | Diopter | What didn't? Disabling v6? |
| 03:43.02 | unkmar | Last I read, disabling v6 requires reboot. I have been trying to avoid that as well. |
| 03:43.12 | unkmar | I did bring down lo. That didn't work. |
| 03:43.28 | Diopter | That's very unlikely to have been the cause. |
| 03:43.34 | unkmar | The ONLY v6 system I am certain of is this one. My routers are all v4. |
| 03:43.47 | unkmar | actually, router. |
| 03:43.54 | Diopter | So, you're not attempting to contact v6 addresses, you're just going to v4 |
| 03:44.05 | unkmar | I don't know what the Winbloze systems look like. |
| 03:44.08 | Diopter | And wget/iceweasel don't resolve |
| 03:44.16 | unkmar | right |
| 03:44.17 | Diopter | What's the hostname you're trying to resolve? |
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| 03:44.27 | unkmar | nasa.gov |
| 03:44.30 | unkmar | google.com |
| 03:44.48 | Diopter | Those shouldn't have AAAA's yet |
| 03:45.06 | Diopter | They don't. What's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 03:45.33 | unkmar | My router. nameserver 192.168.1.254 |
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| 03:46.06 | unkmar | and I can reach places just fine with chromium. |
| 03:46.21 | Diopter | unkmar: What happens when you try to wget? |
| 03:47.01 | unkmar | wget: unable to resolve host address âgoogle.comâ |
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| 03:47.07 | unkmar | and it comes back instantly with that. |
| 03:48.16 | Diopter | What happens if you run it three, four, five times? |
| 03:48.18 | unkmar | I'm not running gnome or its network manager. I'm in openbox, possibly under xdm. |
| 03:48.19 | Diopter | same exact wget |
| 03:48.23 | unkmar | yep |
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| 03:49.08 | unkmar | just used a "for a in 1 2 3 4 5; do" to test it. |
| 03:49.18 | Diopter | Interesting. |
| 03:49.27 | Diopter | Does "host google.com" resolve it? |
| 03:49.33 | Rusty1 | wireshark? |
| 03:49.56 | unkmar | yep, many times over. |
| 03:49.58 | Diopter | I'm thinking you've got a lookup caching service, like nscd |
| 03:50.04 | Diopter | What about nslookup? Or dig? |
| 03:50.45 | unkmar | They both resolve fine. |
| 03:50.55 | Diopter | pgrep for nscd, out of curiosity |
| 03:51.10 | Diopter | I'll bbiam |
| 03:51.24 | unkmar | nope. |
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| 03:59.02 | unkmar | Diopter: Nope |
| 03:59.12 | unkmar | no nscd running. |
| 04:00.26 | Diopter | unkmar: Hrm! Are you running dnsmasq locally? |
| 04:00.32 | Diopter | Or |
| 04:00.37 | Diopter | Possibly anything else running locally |
| 04:00.48 | Diopter | netstat -lntup | grep 53 |
| 04:01.06 | unkmar | I doubt it. Very fresh install and I can't thing of a reason. |
| 04:01.16 | Diopter | mm |
| 04:01.49 | unkmar | nothing returned. |
| 04:02.16 | Diopter | So nothing is listening on port 53. Weird |
| 04:02.29 | Diopter | A web-browser I could see some kind of caching on |
| 04:02.33 | Diopter | But wget... |
| 04:03.09 | unkmar | even with the browser, I had closed completely and reopened. Shouldn't be caching between sessions. |
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| 04:03.44 | unkmar | I'm gonna reboot and brb. |
| 04:03.47 | Diopter | Can you pastebin the output of "ip r", "ip rule", "ip a" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf"? |
| 04:03.53 | Diopter | Assuming a reboot doesn't magically fix it :P |
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| 04:07.31 | unkmar | back. |
| 04:07.43 | Diopter | Woo |
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| 04:08.04 | nsadmin | for me, reboots keep in the magic smoke... I have to reboot once per every two seconds or risk the escape of the magic smoke... |
| 04:08.06 | unkmar | my irssi is running from another machine. |
| 04:08.46 | laidback_01 | heh... did I suddenly drop into a windows chat? |
| 04:08.59 | laidback_01 | reboots are for kernel upgrades. |
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| 04:09.17 | Diopter | Not if we tackle ksplice with some serious resources. |
| 04:09.19 | nsadmin | reboots are for mouse pointer position changes!! |
| 04:09.33 | Diopter | unkmar: Any progress? |
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| 04:10.08 | unkmar | Actually, reboots also effect PS/2 mouse versus Touchpad. |
| 04:10.38 | unkmar | Diopter: unfortunately, NO. I didn't disable IPv6. and No improvement. |
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| 04:12.16 | Diopter | unkmar: Does "lsmod | grep v6" show the module, and does the number show > 0? |
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| 04:13.23 | unkmar | nothing listed. |
| 04:13.37 | Diopter | Can you pastebin the output of "ip r", "ip rule", "ip a" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf"? |
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| 04:14.04 | unkmar | I already told you resolv.conf |
| 04:14.30 | nsadmin | it could have changed by you rebooting tho |
| 04:14.37 | Diopter | You told me the nameserver entry, but I wasn't sure if there was possibly something else in there. And yes, you rebooted. |
| 04:14.38 | unkmar | It didn't. I checked. |
| 04:14.49 | Diopter | When troubleshooting things, it's good to never assume anything :) |
| 04:15.14 | nsadmin | if you do, then you apply ass to u and me |
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| 04:18.20 | unkmar | //http://pastebin.com/eaxdu7GX |
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| 04:18.51 | unkmar | tried to use pastebinit but... same wget problem. :( |
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| 04:19.49 | Mieu | I find it sad how little gold the sheeple own. |
| 04:20.09 | Diopter | unkmar: Everything looks just fine except... the state says "UNKNOWN" on eth0 |
| 04:20.20 | Diopter | unkmar: What kind of NIC is that? |
| 04:20.23 | nsadmin | Mieu, so, buy more, and you won't be a sheeple |
| 04:20.47 | Mieu | I've told fecking idiots to buy gold and they of course don't listen. |
| 04:21.02 | nsadmin | you know about the 17-year half cycle for precious metals? |
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| 04:21.15 | ranix | Mieu: go to #debian-offtopic or better yet just stop talking about this |
| 04:21.33 | Mieu | nsadmin, You can't go by history for gold since it was pegged to the dollar for so long in the history you're accounting. |
| 04:21.40 | unkmar | Realtek something another. |
| 04:21.44 | Diopter | unkmar: The interface flags show UP and LOWER_UP, so the network stack has layer 3 and 2 active on the interface, but the driver state is UNKNOWN, which is very peculiar. |
| 04:21.48 | Mieu | nsadmin, The fact is that FIAT money is being proven more and more worthless by the day. |
| 04:22.13 | Diopter | It should be UP or DOWN. Can you check ethtool and dmesg | grep for eth0 or rtl or such |
| 04:22.18 | nsadmin | yeah, gold value is going to increase exponentially without bound |
| 04:22.38 | Diopter | See if it's full-duplex, the speed you expect, etc |
| 04:22.57 | Mieu | nsadmin, I'm looking for about $5K/ounce, but at which point you'll be able to liquid your gold and buy up businesses on the cheap. |
| 04:23.01 | nsadmin | fiat currency is only worth something if you believe so |
| 04:23.04 | Mieu | liquidate* |
| 04:23.22 | Diopter | unkmar: Possibly also check out ip -s l dev eth0 or ifconfig for the stats, see if there's any frame errors or drops, etc |
| 04:23.44 | Mieu | nsadmin, I even had my plastic bisphenol A fillings replaced with pure gold. |
| 04:24.05 | nsadmin | Mieu, you don't think fiat is going to die and gold would be worth closer to 50000000000000000000/oz? |
| 04:24.29 | Mieu | nsaadmin, $5K is enough for me and is what I see by 2015 type of thing. |
| 04:24.41 | unkmar | setting full-duplex and no IPv6 routers present. |
| 04:24.41 | Mieu | I am conservative by nature. |
| 04:24.45 | unkmar | on eth0 |
| 04:25.07 | nsadmin | Mieu, yeahwell.... that might not have a great effect for you... it motivates ramdombadguy to put pliars in your mouth |
| 04:26.06 | Mieu | nsaadmin, The fillings are quite small because they are not growns or inlays or onlays. They are the original gold foil type that is hammered into place just where the decay is. |
| 04:26.12 | Mieu | No adhesive, no nothing. |
| 04:26.24 | unkmar | correction, I have 3Com's 3c905C-TX/TX-M |
| 04:26.24 | Mieu | not crowns* |
| 04:26.27 | nsadmin | I think the 17-year thing peaks in something like 2022, and you might take a look at a book called "What Works on Wall St" |
| 04:26.48 | unkmar | It was 3Com drivers I remembered going in. |
| 04:27.01 | Mieu | nsaadmin, Gold foil fillings can last 40+ years and they have the tightest margins of all. Plus, you have only gold in your mouth, no adhesive, no mercury, no junk metals, no bisphenol A.. |
| 04:27.05 | Mieu | just pure, beautiful gold. |
| 04:27.24 | Mieu | Tight margins means there's way less bacteria getting in under the filling. |
| 04:27.53 | Mieu | The margins with other filling types can be quite bad, hence the need to replace them relatively frequently. |
| 04:28.58 | Mieu | nsaadmin, My gold foil fillings were $1200 each vs maybe $300 for lousy plastic fillings. But worth every penny IMO. |
| 04:29.03 | nsadmin | oh oops, I'm out :) Mieu, also look at "90% coin silver" |
| 04:29.03 | unkmar | Diopter: ifconfig says it is up but, ip -s l.... says it doesn't know the eth0 device. |
| 04:29.08 | Mieu | Too bad more dentists don't have any expertise in placing them. |
| 04:29.17 | Diopter | unkmar: That's fascinating. |
| 04:29.17 | Mieu | I had to travel to get them done. |
| 04:29.20 | unkmar | actually. |
| 04:29.30 | unkmar | it said that command "dev" is unknown. typo? |
| 04:29.42 | Diopter | unkmar: ip -s l dev eth0, or just ip -s l |
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| 04:30.25 | nsadmin | and finally.... if you don't like the idea of being in an economic tsunami... don't live on the beach... don't deal in fiat |
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| 04:30.43 | unkmar | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN qlen 1000 |
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| 04:31.59 | unkmar | I find that strange since I manually did an ifup on eth0 |
| 04:31.59 | Diopter | unkmar: What about if you bring it down then back up? |
| 04:32.04 | unkmar | brb |
| 04:32.07 | Diopter | Wait |
| 04:32.10 | Diopter | Don't do ifdown/ifup |
| 04:32.13 | Mieu | nsadmin, You're probably right that gold has much higher to go than $5K an ounce |
| 04:32.27 | Diopter | Those run the scripts. Do "ip l s dev eth0 down", then up |
| 04:32.35 | Mieu | nsadmin, But it's better to be conservative. I'll let the more daring speculators take that end of the profit. |
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| 04:32.40 | Diopter | (which is ip link set dev eth0 down, if you prefer the full version) |
| 04:33.03 | unkmar | yeah, the scripts didn't work. |
| 04:33.24 | Diopter | Just use ip to bring it up and down. Let's narrow down the systems and tools involved. |
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| 04:33.48 | Diopter | But really, what's interesting to me is that even with state unknown, it seems to be working fine for some traffic for you |
| 04:33.53 | Diopter | And not for others. |
| 04:34.09 | Diopter | Maybe you should check for packet loss on your network, since that's where your DNS box is |
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| 04:35.47 | unkmar | Well, it goes down but the state goes UNKNOWN for up. |
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| 04:37.35 | unkmar | and why do I magically have a pan0? |
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| 04:38.49 | unkmar | I do get some sort of conflict upon boot on BUS 6 or something like that. |
| 04:39.51 | Diopter | unkmar: Not sure about pan0 |
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| 04:40.17 | unkmar | I did not go with a generic kernel, and could that be the firewire port? |
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| 04:40.39 | unkmar | I do have a 1394 port. Never used it for anything. |
| 04:41.15 | Diopter | Potentially. |
| 04:41.56 | unkmar | the pan0 isn't a big issue. That was just curiosity. So, back to my eth0 UNKNOWN status. suggest generic kernel install? |
| 04:42.12 | Diopter | Well |
| 04:42.13 | Diopter | First of all |
| 04:42.28 | Diopter | Your networking seems to be working at least mostly :P |
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| 04:42.41 | Diopter | Check for packet loss and weirdness, I'd say. |
| 04:42.44 | unkmar | Diopter: and worked fine under lenny. |
| 04:42.58 | Diopter | Install 'mtr', run it against your router, and against 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:43.10 | Diopter | See if you accumulate a lot of loss anywhere, especially on close hops |
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| 04:43.58 | unkmar | I'brb |
| 04:44.01 | unkmar | brb |
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| 04:44.53 | unkmar | Hmm, the ip down and up made it mad. |
| 04:45.07 | unkmar | Couldn't install mtr until I did ifdown, ifup. |
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| 04:45.15 | unkmar | now, how to use mtr. |
| 04:46.04 | Diopter | Just "mtr ip" |
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| 04:47.09 | unkmar | yeah, just did that. Not seeing any loss. Didn't see it in the results from ip -s l either |
| 04:47.29 | unkmar | *Didn't see it.... Didn't see any losses. |
| 04:48.12 | Diopter | Hrmmmmm. I'm inclined to just ignore the unknown |
| 04:49.43 | unkmar | I'm seeing a lot of loss at 209.85.253.137. but I am one hop from google at that point. |
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| 04:50.15 | unkmar | and 4.3% loss at 5 hops out. |
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| 04:50.33 | Diopter | Routers prioritize ICMP less than TCP |
| 04:50.44 | Diopter | Small loss is fine along the way |
| 04:50.59 | Diopter | If it were your adapter, I'd expect a ton of frame errors, drops, packet loss |
| 04:51.05 | unkmar | I wasn't complaining, On the contrary, I was quite impressed. |
| 04:51.29 | unkmar | no errors or drops listed in the "ip -s l" |
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| 04:52.15 | Diopter | Ok, so I'm comfortable with assuming the lower network stack is fine. |
| 04:52.55 | unkmar | It appears as though wget and iceweasle see the UNKNOWN status and simply refuse to try. |
| 04:53.22 | unkmar | They are returning instantly, Not timing out. |
| 04:53.47 | Diopter | strace them |
| 04:53.51 | Diopter | wget first, it's smaller |
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| 04:54.11 | unkmar | another toy to install? |
| 04:54.57 | Diopter | Possibly. strace is fairly standard, but might only be in a dev package |
| 04:55.08 | Diopter | Let's you watch what system calls a process is making |
| 04:55.24 | Diopter | So we can see how wget is resolving names, where it's dying, etc |
| 04:56.15 | unkmar | how do I redirect the strace? |
| 04:56.32 | koollman | -o logfile |
| 04:56.43 | unkmar | -ofile got it. |
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| 04:57.08 | louko[away | Hello everyone. What's the best mail for debian? Sendmaill is giving me some load problems |
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| 04:59.15 | n0sq | noobiee: i've always used postfix |
| 05:00.13 | noobiee | ok n0sq, i'll try postfix. thank you |
| 05:01.34 | Zap-W | hi |
| 05:01.58 | Zap-W | is there a tool that listens for SNMP messages and executes scripts depending on the content of the messages |
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| 05:02.25 | Zap-W | something lightweight |
| 05:03.35 | unkmar | Diopter: http://pastebin.com/fDPYi4RS |
| 05:04.54 | unkmar | Sorry it took so long. Had to transfer file to a system that could use pastebinit. |
| 05:05.06 | Diopter | No worries |
| 05:05.52 | unkmar | and of course, so far your attempts have been useless, but you assistance has been greatly appreciated. |
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| 05:06.31 | unkmar | As Edison might say: We have found several ways to Not make the light-bulb. |
| 05:07.43 | Diopter | hehe, indeed. I've always liked that quote |
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| 05:08.58 | unkmar | look around line 143. |
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| 05:11.04 | Diopter | Indeed. I'm also looking up some info on the second message you get near the end |
| 05:11.17 | Diopter | Give me a few |
| 05:11.21 | Diopter | Also parsing the octal |
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| 05:11.25 | uns0b1ll | hi |
| 05:11.37 | uns0b1ll | how to register nick ? |
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| 05:11.52 | Diopter | uns0b1ll: Talk to nickserv |
| 05:11.54 | unkmar | Then around 235. |
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| 05:13.15 | uns0b1ll | nickserv |
| 05:13.30 | unkmar | uns0b1ll: /msg nickserv help |
| 05:13.35 | Diopter | unkmar: Out of curiosity, is your system time set correctly? |
| 05:13.46 | uns0b1ll | thnx unkmar |
| 05:14.12 | uns0b1ll | id |
| 05:14.16 | unkmar | Diopter: idk. Probably. I used NTP during the net-install this morning. |
| 05:14.40 | Diopter | unkmar: Run 'date', check it out |
| 05:15.08 | unkmar | I did and it states the time correctly with my correct TZ. |
| 05:15.43 | unkmar | I'm fairly certain the internal clock is set to UTC as well. |
| 05:15.59 | Diopter | kk, just curious since I see it timestamping for DNS lookups |
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| 05:16.45 | uns0b1ll | Hi |
| 05:17.03 | Diopter | unkmar: Let's try something |
| 05:17.29 | Diopter | unkmar: Put a "nameserver 8.8.8.8" line in resolv.conf above your current one. |
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| 05:18.28 | unkmar | done |
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| 05:19.08 | unkmar | so |
| 05:19.16 | unkmar | shall I reboot my freaking router? |
| 05:19.57 | Diopter | Haha |
| 05:19.57 | unkmar | That works. well, for wget anyway, I assume it works for iceweasel. |
| 05:20.05 | Diopter | Neat |
| 05:20.44 | Diopter | Try your router again, but change the request to www.google.com instead of google.com |
| 05:20.56 | unkmar | yeah, iceweasel likes that as well. |
| 05:21.20 | unkmar | I had already been trying both www.google.com and google.com |
| 05:21.42 | Diopter | Ah |
| 05:21.52 | Diopter | Well then, obviously the router's DNS is to blame |
| 05:21.55 | Diopter | What are you running? |
| 05:22.23 | unkmar | AT&T's Motorola DSL Router. |
| 05:22.36 | Diopter | 2Wire? |
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| 05:23.33 | zinx | unkmar: i had so many random stupid problems with that thing, i set it to as bridged a mode i can get and use another router between it and my computers. |
| 05:23.44 | zinx | unkmar: i believe random dns failures was one of them |
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| 05:24.27 | Diopter | Yeah |
| 05:24.35 | unkmar | zinx: I was using it bridged until my netgear began failing with DNS issues. I have yet to experience a router that didn't begin to fail in the DNS area. |
| 05:24.37 | Diopter | Bridging it if you can is really the best solution |
| 05:24.49 | Diopter | Make a linux machine your router. |
| 05:24.50 | Diopter | It's easy |
| 05:24.52 | unkmar | Well, assuming the router isn't a full fledged computer. |
| 05:25.04 | Diopter | Or flash a Linksys WRT |
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| 05:25.18 | zinx | a non-vxworks one anyway. |
| 05:25.18 | Diopter | Tomato, DD-WRT, etc |
| 05:25.18 | unkmar | Diopter: I did that for years. Worked great. but didn't get wireless that way. :( |
| 05:25.36 | Diopter | Your wireless adapters may support master/AP mode. |
| 05:25.41 | zinx | fwiw the AT&T thing runs FreeBSD, so they must have done something terrible to mess it up so bad :/ |
| 05:25.51 | unkmar | And full computers use A lot more juice in the rare times the power goes out. |
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| 05:26.44 | Diopter | What gear do you have handy? |
| 05:26.56 | unkmar | Mine is a Netopia. |
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| 05:27.27 | unkmar | I have a full router handy to replace with at this point. For now I manually go around the problem and fix it sometime slightly later. |
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| 05:27.44 | Diopter | Just keep it pointed at 8.8.8.8 |
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| 05:27.55 | Diopter | Better than your ISP anyway :P |
| 05:28.03 | unkmar | even this irsii system is behind that router. ((( uptime ))) |
| 05:28.05 | zinx | Diopter: the AT&T router won't let you change the DHCP settings for DNS.v |
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| 05:28.19 | Diopter | zinx: No but you can change your local dhcp client options |
| 05:28.25 | zinx | Diopter: so you have to set it manually on everything that connects |
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| 05:28.57 | Diopter | zinx: That part does suck, yes. Or you can just run dhcp on another machine on the network |
| 05:29.01 | Diopter | Disable it on the AT&T |
| 05:29.01 | linkslice | I"m having a problem with installing snort, I tried earlier and messed it up so I'm trying to completely remove and re-install, i'm getting this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:29.11 | zinx | Diopter: you can't disable it either. |
| 05:29.20 | Diopter | zinx: My 2Wire lets me |
| 05:29.31 | Diopter | 301HGV I think is the model |
| 05:29.33 | zinx | Diopter: you can run another one and it will usually back off after complaning... usually. |
| 05:29.40 | zinx | Diopter: is it AT&TZ |
| 05:29.42 | zinx | erh, ? |
| 05:30.06 | zinx | Diopter: AT&T has some extra.... special... alterations |
| 05:30.08 | Diopter | Yep. U-Verse |
| 05:30.08 | unkmar | I'm not running a 2Wire, I'm running Netopia and it let me run bridged, which does disable the DHCP and I am able to use the replacement Netgear I bought a few weeks back. |
| 05:30.20 | Diopter | Ah |
| 05:30.23 | zinx | unkmar: oh, ok |
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| 05:30.29 | unkmar | and I don't have or want any of their crappy U-Verse package. |
| 05:31.41 | unkmar | I happily use rabbit ears. don't want any of them fancy dishes or cables run to my TV. Thank ye very much. PS: just under 38 years old. |
| 05:32.22 | unkmar | I'm too addicted to TV and internet as it is. |
| 05:33.54 | unkmar | well, here goes the router reboot. |
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| 05:36.49 | linkslice | how do I do a compelte reinstall? re-run all package scripts re-add users etc? |
| 05:36.59 | linkslice | (i mean reinstall of packages) |
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| 05:42.03 | jmd | When I run apt-get update targeting stable I get a messagae about a missing key. But I've added the stable lenny key. How can I find out what key it's looking for and why? |
| 05:42.24 | Diopter | check the apt logs perhaps? Or messages? |
| 05:43.25 | jmd | Nothing new in /var/log/apt |
| 05:43.42 | jmd | what do you mean "messages"? |
| 05:43.58 | Diopter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:44.45 | jmd | Nothing there which looks like it's apt related either. |
| 05:45.09 | jmd | (I thought /var/log/syslog was the primary syslog file) |
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| 05:46.32 | Diopter | jmd: I think that depends on whether you're using syslog or syslog-ng. |
| 05:46.33 | jokar | hello all.i has some problem with my Swap partition,it is 512MB and i can't suspend my OS,i create a 8GB swap file for increase it,but my problem not solved!!!! |
| 05:47.42 | Diopter | jmd: I must admit Debian isn't my main Linux, so I could be mistaken on the prevalence of /var/log/syslog over messages. It's usually the opposite on the boxes I touch :) |
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| 05:49.08 | jokar | hello all.i has some problem with my Swap partition,it is 512MB and i can't suspend my OS,i create a 8GB swap file for increase it,but my problem not solved!!!! |
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| 05:51.10 | jokar | :all |
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| 05:58.58 | jasonsmr | hello channel |
| 05:59.02 | jasonsmr | I have a problem |
| 05:59.16 | Diopter | Howdy |
| 05:59.29 | jasonsmr | I want to connect two networks on one pc how can I do this |
| 05:59.38 | jasonsmr | hey ^ |
| 06:00.10 | Diopter | Two different network ranges on two different interfaces? |
| 06:00.17 | jmd | jasonsmr, Probably not the best channel to ask, but anyways .... what do you mean two "networks"? |
| 06:01.03 | jasonsmr | the reasoning behind this request * is that im settin up a dns forwarding server on the pc's wired cable , and want to reach out and do __ some digging on the wireless llan from a AP - that is Outside of the DNS schema |
| 06:01.17 | jmd | Do you mean two ethernet cards, or do you mean a multihomed interface or something else? |
| 06:01.46 | jasonsmr | well its on a Work tablet of mine that Im setting up as a backup or forwarding DNS |
| 06:02.05 | Diopter | Sounds like you want to forward traffic through this machine, from one interface to another. |
| 06:02.17 | jasonsmr | it is connected to the DNS network that Im working on currently via a cable ethernet plugg |
| 06:02.30 | jasonsmr | the wireless card is seperate, |
| 06:02.53 | unkmar | Diopter: so, 2 Interfaces. Yes |
| 06:03.15 | jasonsmr | well I want the web browsing to query the wireless connection, for surfing , if thats a bit more clear of a request |
| 06:03.27 | jmd | I don't see why you would need two interfaces to do that, although there might be certain advantages in doing so. |
| 06:03.34 | Diopter | Meaning query a host that's only available on the wireless network? |
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| 06:04.05 | jasonsmr | and just leave the named and bind stuff in its own land or world or what have you, seperate but equal would be nice, or |
| 06:04.15 | jmd | jasonsmr, If 2 physical network interfaces are what you want, then that's quite easy. They both go in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:04.48 | jasonsmr | I Diopter, points to you correst |
| 06:05.17 | Diopter | jasonsmr: Are the DNS requests going to originate on this box, or from the LAN network? |
| 06:05.34 | jasonsmr | I Diopter, correct rather, I want to send output from one device also only as a switch, |
| 06:06.11 | jasonsmr | a switched capability to only send data from a application out one device |
| 06:06.23 | Diopter | Well, you get that part for free with your routing table. |
| 06:06.47 | Diopter | I just need to know where your traffic is coming from and going to. |
| 06:06.54 | jasonsmr | right |
| 06:07.07 | jasonsmr | I need a better routing table setup |
| 06:07.10 | Diopter | If DNS requests originate from a hosts on the LAN and are destined for a host on the WLAN |
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| 06:07.26 | jasonsmr | I have yet to set up the dns here on the box Im reffering to, |
| 06:07.32 | Diopter | Then you just need to tell the LAN hosts to use this box as the next hop |
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| 06:07.46 | Diopter | (ip r a ip.of.dns.host via ip.of.router.box) |
| 06:07.59 | jasonsmr | if the wired is connected thats my LAN and internet, (if I want) |
| 06:08.00 | Diopter | With a /32 if you want only that one WLAN IP to go through this box |
| 06:08.26 | Diopter | Then enable the forwarding sysctl on the router box |
| 06:08.35 | Diopter | So it can pass traffic not destined for it |
| 06:08.41 | unkmar | jasonsmr: are you wanting to use the tablet as a pass through? an internet gateway? or just a client to both networks? |
| 06:08.42 | jasonsmr | if I connect to a particular host via the wireless option to connect to interface with host we will call it (VLAN-TEST) |
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| 06:09.21 | zfe | hello |
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| 06:09.28 | zfe | anybody here installed debian on a macbookpro |
| 06:09.29 | Diopter | Hi |
| 06:09.32 | zfe | using the usb drive? |
| 06:09.32 | jasonsmr | if I connect to the VLAN-TEST then I should prefferably want to have the firefox and some soret of way to isolate traffic comming and going to this interface |
| 06:09.58 | Diopter | zfe: You can't boot a MBP directly from a USB stick unless it's using GPT with an EFI system partition and an EFI bootloader. |
| 06:10.18 | Diopter | zfe: You can, however, install rEFIt on the OS X drive, if you're going to dual-boot, and then boot the USB stick from there |
| 06:10.41 | zfe | Diopter, i installed rEFIt |
| 06:10.42 | zfe | now? |
| 06:10.47 | zfe | should i dd a debian image |
| 06:10.51 | Diopter | Yep |
| 06:10.51 | zfe | in an usb drive? |
| 06:10.57 | Diopter | Should work. |
| 06:11.00 | zfe | which one do you advice? |
| 06:11.10 | zfe | 'cause i think that i won't be able to use the internet connection while installing |
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| 06:11.47 | Diopter | jasonsmr: Your only real way to be interface-specific is going to be with routing. |
| 06:11.56 | jasonsmr | the router box that is on the LAN has linux, however the box that servers the VLAN-TESTING dosent have linux, its just a simple wrt and is only there for emergency access and for the local freeinternet use, it has a basic DHCP and |
| 06:11.58 | Diopter | jasonsmr: At least insofar as applying to a lot of programs. |
| 06:12.09 | Diopter | zfe: It will be able to use the ethernet adapter just fine. |
| 06:12.23 | Diopter | zfe: Unless you're rocking one of the latest Sandy Bridge ones |
| 06:12.35 | zfe | Diopter, yes, i have the latest model, sadly |
| 06:12.38 | Diopter | Ah |
| 06:12.47 | Diopter | Well, I'm uncertain if those have Intel or Broadcom NICs |
| 06:13.03 | Diopter | If they're Intel e1000e's, then they're not supported on the Squeeze kernel |
| 06:13.09 | Diopter | But they are under the testing (3.x) kernel |
| 06:13.19 | jasonsmr | Diopter, So it can pass traffic not destined for it Im not sure what you mean by this |
| 06:13.34 | Diopter | jasonsmr: The way that routing works in linux is fairly simple |
| 06:14.20 | Diopter | (ignoring bridges and arp filters and such :P) |
| 06:14.21 | jasonsmr | Diopter, however since I havent yet setup the dns proportions on the tablet yet then , I start to think that what you mentioned about an Internet Gateway |
| 06:14.35 | jasonsmr | if it acts like he gateway for iteslf? |
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| 06:14.57 | zfe | so Diopter, should i use testing? |
| 06:15.08 | jasonsmr | or for a isolation chroot? would be best I think ) but if I chroot its borrowing the other interfaces too So IDK |
| 06:15.50 | Diopter | jasonsmr: I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about. Those things all relate to process isolation and control. Networking is going to behave the same regardless. |
| 06:15.59 | Diopter | zfe: If you want to netinstall. Which is what I would do :P |
| 06:16.02 | jasonsmr | right |
| 06:16.09 | Diopter | zfe: Ran into that recently on this Thinkpad W520 |
| 06:16.24 | zfe | Diopter, but again |
| 06:16.31 | zfe | are we sure i'll be able to access the internet |
| 06:16.34 | zfe | while net-installing |
| 06:17.34 | Diopter | Assuming you have wired access available, the testing kernel should support the adapter in a MBP 8.x |
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| 06:17.43 | Diopter | I don't have one to try it with, but afaik.. :P |
| 06:17.50 | Diopter | dd and give it a shot |
| 06:18.04 | Diopter | The netinstall images are fairly small |
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| 06:18.37 | jokar | how auto mount my swap file? |
| 06:19.01 | Diopter | jokar: man swapon |
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| 06:19.28 | Diopter | And fstab, for grea tjustice |
| 06:19.31 | jokar | i know but i want auto mount my swap file when my linux running |
| 06:19.31 | Diopter | t<<1 |
| 06:19.39 | unkmar | Anyone know where the display command went? |
| 06:19.47 | unkmar | or what package it hides in? |
| 06:20.06 | unkmar | nm |
| 06:20.11 | unkmar | just rememebered. |
| 06:20.26 | unkmar | It is a morgify type of thing. |
| 06:20.35 | Diopter | jokar: man fstab tells you what you need to know. Check out the third field. |
| 06:21.14 | jokar | Diopter: i write in fstab /dev/sdb3/Swap Swap none 0 0 |
| 06:22.16 | Diopter | jokar: You probably want a path to the file. Not a path to the device with the file tacked on. |
| 06:22.43 | jokar | how? |
| 06:22.47 | jokar | can you show me ? |
| 06:23.06 | jokar | my name of Swap file is Swap |
| 06:23.39 | Diopter | jokar: The manpage tells me that the magic string should look something more like: /home/user/swap.fil none swap defaults 0 0 |
| 06:23.56 | Diopter | Where obviously the path to the file should be... the path to your file :P |
| 06:24.44 | jokar | aha |
| 06:24.44 | jokar | Thanks |
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| 06:26.00 | jmd | dpkg install ca-certificates is asking me what certificates I trust. Where can I get some info to enable me to make an informative decision? |
| 06:26.01 | dpkg | okay, jmd |
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| 06:27.44 | Diopter | Really that's kind of the point. Trusting them is required to trust sites you connect to over SSL. The question is moreso "do you trust where you obtained this package" |
| 06:29.09 | jmd | Diopter, I understand that. Right at the moment, the only sensible answer I can give is "none". What can anyone offer me to earn the trust of any of them |
| 06:30.07 | zinx | none. |
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| 06:31.06 | unkmar | swap file instead of partition? eh, okay. |
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| 06:32.22 | unkmar | well, things aren't perfect and rosy. However, I have made a great deal of progress tonight. |
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| 06:34.29 | Diopter | unkmar: Progress is good! |
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| 06:35.59 | unkmar | ah, acpi and the battery, that was the reason I wasn't ready for squeeze. :( |
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| 06:36.20 | Diopter | mmm, laptop woes? |
| 06:37.18 | unkmar | I can live without many things. Knowing my battery levels are important. |
| 06:37.45 | Diopter | Run a more recent kernel |
| 06:37.49 | Diopter | Or go testing. |
| 06:38.15 | unkmar | Uh, the older kernel didn't have a problem. The one I WAS using in lenny was fine. |
| 06:38.45 | unkmar | It was when I updated to have support for my newer Wireless card that I know longer had acpi support and don't know why. |
| 06:38.52 | Diopter | Well, some of the ACPI information locations changed |
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| 06:39.05 | unkmar | oh |
| 06:39.19 | unkmar | That would break all kinds of scripts I had created. |
| 06:39.21 | Diopter | Are you sure you don't have ACPI support, and it's not simply some app or widget not finding the location? |
| 06:39.24 | Diopter | Mmm |
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| 06:39.38 | Diopter | Check /sys/class/power_supply/BAT# |
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| 06:40.19 | unkmar | ok, so I get to do a heavy rewrite. |
| 06:40.26 | Diopter | mmm |
| 06:40.40 | vyadhaka | how can I out put coresutils to a text doc? |
| 06:40.41 | Diopter | Sorry to hear it |
| 06:41.13 | unkmar | That's fine. at least the items exist. Not broken, just moved. Freaking moving targets. |
| 06:41.25 | beardy | vyadhaka: The manual or info docs, or what do you mean? |
| 06:41.41 | unkmar | It would really suck if I was PAYING for the scripts and had to PAY to get it fixed. But I am a coder, so it is merely some time. |
| 06:42.20 | Diopter | nods |
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| 06:42.40 | Diopter | It gets even more exciting moving into the 3.x releases :P |
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| 06:43.02 | vyadhaka | beardy: info docs, I would like to print it to read |
| 06:44.54 | unkmar | this may actually simplify my battery scripts. |
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| 06:45.24 | Diopter | unkmar: Cool |
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| 06:46.52 | beardy | vyadhaka: 'info --subnodes -o out.txt coreutils' from 'man info', then print it the way you prefer. |
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| 06:49.53 | vyadhaka | beardy: thanks, i should have read the manual. thank you |
| 06:50.05 | unkmar | Diopter: I have some pretty nasty grep | sed stuff going on in the old one. Had to pass over the state file several times to gather the bits of info. :/ |
| 06:50.08 | Diopter | Or info info ;P |
| 06:50.09 | beardy | vyadhaka: You're welcome. |
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| 06:50.39 | Diopter | unkmar: Ugh. Yeah. Better to use the /sys files if possible. Makes it nicer to run some bc math or whatnot on them for rates, too. |
| 06:51.13 | unkmar | yeah, I wasn't doing that before because the access time was painful. |
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| 06:53.06 | Diopter | Ah |
| 06:53.32 | unkmar | wow, now that is different. remove a battery and the corresponding BAT1 folder vanishes. |
| 06:53.39 | Diopter | Yep |
| 06:53.49 | Diopter | Whole thing's dynamic :) |
| 06:54.32 | unkmar | at least the 2 compartments don't rename. from BAT1 to BAT0 if you remove BAT0. Important to know which one is in. |
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| 06:55.27 | Diopter | nods |
| 06:55.43 | Diopter | Speaking of two batteries, I'm so tempted to get the ultrabay battery for this Thinkpad |
| 06:56.08 | Diopter | Already rocking 6-8 hours mobile on it with the 9-cell. |
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| 07:07.56 | wols_ | Diopter: which thinkpad model? |
| 07:08.42 | Diopter | wols_: W520 |
| 07:10.08 | inkvizitor68sl | hm. |
| 07:10.16 | inkvizitor68sl | i have 6-8 hrs from one battery ) |
| 07:10.19 | inkvizitor68sl | 6 cells |
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| 07:11.58 | Diopter | This machine's a bit of a beast, hehe |
| 07:12.29 | inkvizitor68sl | hm. i3, 6 GB RAM, ocz vertex 2 ^_^ |
| 07:12.47 | Diopter | I love the vertexes! |
| 07:12.57 | inkvizitor68sl | yep, great thing |
| 07:12.59 | Diopter | Sandy Bridge i7 quad, 8 GB |
| 07:13.03 | Diopter | Vertex 2 ;D |
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| 07:13.33 | inkvizitor68sl | if you need fast laptop - ssd ocz / intel will give more speed then i3 -> i7 upgrade |
| 07:13.39 | inkvizitor68sl | i mean hdd -> ssd |
| 07:13.51 | Diopter | Yeah, I actually needed multiple outputs. |
| 07:13.55 | Diopter | Video outputs that is |
| 07:14.09 | Diopter | The dock on this thing gets me 3 simultaneous DVI/DP |
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| 07:15.36 | inkvizitor68sl | hm. my company prefers dell's and fujitsu. |
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| 07:15.54 | inkvizitor68sl | fujitsu with i7 works around 13 hrs |
| 07:16.32 | Diopter | inkvizitor68sl: I don't believe you! :D Unless it's got 3 batteries stuffed in it. lol |
| 07:16.34 | inkvizitor68sl | anyway, i mean, that 7 hours - it is standart for laptops today. |
| 07:17.35 | inkvizitor68sl | Diopter: 2 battery. additional places in cd-rom slot. and we can use 3rd (20 hrs) to dock-bay slot... but they painfully expensive, so company didn't buy it. |
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| 07:18.03 | inkvizitor68sl | i can buy new asus u36jc against this battery >_> |
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| 07:36.45 | Ichabod | Good morning |
| 07:36.58 | Diopter | Mornin' |
| 07:37.18 | Ichabod | got a question about lm_sensors and the new sandy bridge Xeons, is it ok if I ask it here? |
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| 07:39.47 | Ichabod | and if it isnt, would appreciate some pointers where I could ask :) |
| 07:40.16 | Diopter | I'd presume it's fine |
| 07:40.49 | Ichabod | well, Im using the lm_sensors package in Debian stable, and sensors-detect fails to detect any sensors on my motherboard or CPU |
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| 07:49.04 | HashNuke | II'm trying to configure my network and this is my interfaces now https://gist.github.com/9ca7fe7a5107bdf82de4 I want it to connect to my wireless first and assigned it a static ip. So i've added it on top. Is that config correct guys? |
| 07:49.33 | HashNuke | (I have my wireless working. i'm only trying to configure it so that I can have a static IP to ssh into form my other syste,) |
| 07:51.08 | wols_ | you are doing it wrong. you cannot have two hosts (or interfaces) in the same subnet with the same IP |
| 07:51.25 | wols_ | do eth0 and wlan0 connect to the same router? |
| 07:51.26 | Ichabod | progress! the package in debian stable was outdated |
| 07:51.31 | Ichabod | thx for the help :) |
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| 07:52.04 | HashNuke | wols_: yes |
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| 07:52.32 | Diopter | Going to need different addresses. |
| 07:52.55 | wols_ | HashNuke: you cannot do that. and it'snot necessary either. either you use one or the other connection but not both. there is no point |
| 07:52.58 | Odaym | sometimes Debian remembers my power management settings, and sometimes it doesn't |
| 07:53.07 | wrksx | why does every update comes with a devices reordering |
| 07:53.10 | wrksx | ? |
| 07:53.12 | Odaym | while I always choose "make default" |
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| 07:53.25 | wols_ | wrksx: which update exactly? which devices are reordered? |
| 07:53.38 | wrksx | wols_, in /dev |
| 07:53.41 | HashNuke | wols_: ya i only use one. the other I take down with ifconfig <eth0/wlan0> down |
| 07:53.55 | wrksx | wols_, etch -> lenny or lenny -> squeez |
| 07:53.57 | HashNuke | wols_: so if thats the case. is that fine? |
| 07:54.04 | Diopter | HashNuke: So you're only ever going to have one of these interfaces up at a time? |
| 07:54.05 | wols_ | HashNuke: use ifdown and ifup. faster |
| 07:54.20 | HashNuke | wols_: thanks! |
| 07:54.25 | HashNuke | Diopter: yes. |
| 07:54.39 | Diopter | Should be fine then. |
| 07:54.44 | wols_ | HashNuke: not really since both are set to "allow-hotplug". |
| 07:54.55 | HashNuke | i was just worried about the auto-hotplug |
| 07:55.03 | wols_ | remove those lines and do it manually since you up/down them manually anyways |
| 07:55.23 | wols_ | you can put ifup <whichever> in your rc.local for boot up |
| 07:55.25 | HashNuke | is that for the whole networking as in "hot plug into this" or "for this type of connection hot plug into this" |
| 07:55.34 | Diopter | Hah. Didn't pay attention to the auto-hotplug |
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| 07:55.47 | Diopter | doesn't generaly do networking on Debian |
| 07:56.30 | HashNuke | Diopter: that's fine. :) this is the first time i'm on a total CLI interface on OS. didn't install X at all. |
| 07:57.24 | Diopter | Cool. Glad you're exploring that side of things. Though I just meant that I work on other systems for networking, and their interface config scripting is different |
| 07:57.36 | HashNuke | wols_: just modified it to use hot plug for wlan0 only since that's anyway going to be default. https://gist.github.com/9ca7fe7a5107bdf82de4 |
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| 07:58.48 | pa7iQ | hi, how do I get googleearth use opengl? it says it's using opengl sowftware emulation! (glxinfo says direct rendering: yes) |
| 07:59.41 | jmd | I wish that debian could be installed UNATTENDED. |
| 07:59.45 | Diopter | pa7iQ: You might need to install the 32 bit libs for gl for your card. What driver/card are you using? |
| 07:59.52 | wols_ | pa7iQ: what videocard and what x drivers? |
| 08:00.04 | pa7iQ | integrated intel vga |
| 08:00.05 | wols_ | !tell jmd about preseed |
| 08:00.09 | wols_ | pa7iQ: which cpu? |
| 08:00.41 | pa7iQ | atom cpu, d510mo motherboard |
| 08:00.55 | jmd | wols_, That's not a solution. I'd have to put the root password in a config file!! |
| 08:01.03 | wols_ | that one should work out of the box. anything in xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ? |
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| 08:01.17 | wols_ | jmd: how else do you want to do it unattended? |
| 08:01.41 | nevyn | jmd: use a ssh key |
| 08:01.48 | nevyn | but it's the same problem essentially |
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| 08:02.23 | wols_ | nevyn: he could put the root password hash into some config file and then add that hash to /etc/passwd |
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| 08:02.50 | Diopter | Indeed. I prefer that method of deployment and automated kicking. |
| 08:03.29 | jmd | I don't mind having to become root in order to initiate an upgrade. What I object to is having to type in the root password half a dozen times during the install/setup process. |
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| 08:03.54 | pa7iQ | I use the intel x driver, with generic xorg.conf |
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| 08:04.30 | wols_ | pa7iQ: answer my question please. you haven't answered anything about your xorg.conf |
| 08:04.34 | debianz | only types the root password once when performing an upgrade. You are referring to 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' right jmd? |
| 08:04.46 | jmd | right. |
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| 08:04.49 | nevyn | jmd: preseed then have a precomissioning process that put's a password on the box from a central password vault or whatever. |
| 08:04.50 | debianz | hmm |
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| 08:06.52 | jmd | nevyn, Why should I have to preseed anything when I just want to install using default settings? |
| 08:07.14 | pa7iQ | wols_: I don't have a directory named /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, and I don't have any customization in xorg.conf, just things like UseFBDev true |
| 08:07.22 | wols_ | jmd: are you talking about debian installs or upgrade/dist-upgrade? |
| 08:07.29 | jmd | dist-upgrade |
| 08:07.41 | wols_ | pa7iQ: if you have an xorg.conf at all, then you are doing it wrong. |
| 08:07.55 | wols_ | pa7iQ: rename your xorg.conf to something else so it's not used and restart X |
| 08:08.09 | pa7iQ | ok I try that, thx wols_ |
| 08:08.21 | wols_ | jmd: -plow for debconf then |
| 08:08.41 | jmd | I'll look into it. Thanks. |
| 08:08.53 | wols_ | pa7iQ: I am guessing you run squeeze tho. not sure if lenny knows abt your atom based vga |
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| 08:09.13 | wols_ | pa7iQ: you need to run squeeze |
| 08:09.16 | pa7iQ | I run unstable |
| 08:09.19 | nkuttler | jmd: i assume your using sudo.. man 5 visudo and configure it however you like |
| 08:09.44 | jmd | No. I don't use sudo as a rule. |
| 08:09.56 | nkuttler | and why do you get asked for the root password then? |
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| 08:10.15 | jmd | nkuttler, That was my question. |
| 08:10.30 | nkuttler | jmd: you run the upgrades as root? |
| 08:10.36 | jmd | yes |
| 08:11.00 | nkuttler | mmmmh. absolutely no idea. did you mess with pam? |
| 08:11.28 | jmd | I don't think so - not on this machine. |
| 08:11.41 | wols_ | jmd: are you getting asked for it for stuff like mysql? |
| 08:11.54 | wols_ | jmd: we need more info |
| 08:12.22 | jmd | wols_, I can't actually remember which packages asked for it. I'll see if it's still in the xterm scrollbuffer .... |
| 08:13.03 | jmd | No. Seems to be gone. |
| 08:15.43 | pa7iQ | renaming xorg.conf did not help, googleearth is still in software emulation mode. |
| 08:15.59 | pa7iQ | glxgears only runs at 58fps, is that a problem? |
| 08:16.14 | debianz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:16.28 | debianz | hint: that will tell if you are actually getting direct rendering or not |
| 08:16.43 | Diopter | pa7iQ: I still think you probably need the 32-bit gl libs since glxinfo told you direct rendering is enabled. |
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| 08:16.50 | jmd | wols_, usbmux was one of the offending packages |
| 08:16.54 | debianz | ok |
| 08:17.02 | pa7iQ | direct rendering: Yes, server glx version string: 1.4 |
| 08:17.12 | jmd | s/usbmux/usbmuxd/ |
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| 08:17.43 | debianz | ok..just curious as my PowerMac G5 says direct rendering: Yes, server glx version string: 1.4, even though I dont have the ATI drivers installed |
| 08:17.57 | wols_ | pa7iQ: glxinfo | head -n 10 |
| 08:17.57 | nkuttler | jmd: sounds like a bug in the package to me. try to reproduce + report |
| 08:18.11 | nkuttler | oh, one of... |
| 08:18.14 | babilen | pa7iQ: Please paste the complete output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:18.45 | wols_ | debianz: chances are your powermac is supported by the "radeon" drivers only and not at all by any fglrx drivers anymore. fglrx only supports RV600 and up (HD2xxx and later) |
| 08:19.07 | debianz | yah I have a Radeon 9600 Pro |
| 08:19.28 | wols_ | debianz: and the radeon driver is installed and used by debian automatically |
| 08:19.35 | debianz | ok i see |
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| 08:19.52 | debianz | wols_, so does that provide some direct hardware rendering? |
| 08:20.15 | debianz | wols_, because I still see CPU usage jump to 90%'s on both processors when doing a simple flash video |
| 08:20.22 | wols_ | debianz: probably not. it should mention the chip somehow in the renderer string |
| 08:20.44 | wols_ | and flash is a shitty way to measure acceleration in any way. it's flash. doubly so on PPC |
| 08:20.58 | debianz | wols_, i know there are better ways of measuring performance |
| 08:22.05 | pa7iQ | I posted glxinfo to http://paste.debian.net/126812/ |
| 08:23.15 | wols_ | pa7iQ: pastebin your Xorg.0.log there too please |
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| 08:24.07 | babilen | pa7iQ: Looks fine. -- To elaborate: You can have "direct rendering = Yes" but still use a software renderer, that is why one *has* to look at least at the "direct rendering" and "OpenGL renderer string" |
| 08:24.34 | wols_ | babilen: his open gl renderer string doesn't like find to me |
| 08:25.05 | babilen | wols_: Why is that? |
| 08:25.13 | wols_ | babilen: sorry. didn't look lower. mea culpa |
| 08:25.23 | wols_ | overlooked lin 32 |
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| 08:25.58 | pa7iQ | xorg log at http://paste.debian.net/126813/ |
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| 08:26.54 | wols_ | pa7iQ: sorry, as babilen said, you have hardware acceleration working |
| 08:27.12 | babilen | pa7iQ: yay |
| 08:27.22 | I_Died_Once | hi, i have an odd problem with my wireless... when i go to connect to a network, the kernel panics |
| 08:27.38 | I_Died_Once | keyboard lights flash... system freezes |
| 08:27.39 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: which driver? |
| 08:27.47 | I_Died_Once | rtl8180 |
| 08:27.50 | Diopter | pa7iQ: Your specific complaint is about google earth. You may be using a 32-bit version of google earth. You're going to need the 32-bit dri/gl libs or it probably won't accelerate |
| 08:27.57 | wols_ | !rtl8180 |
| 08:27.57 | dpkg | Realtek 802.11b/g PCI and USB wireless LAN chipsets (RTL8180L, RTL8185L, RTL8187L, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180, rtl8187 and rtl8187se/r8187se drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x . For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
| 08:28.04 | pa7iQ | Diopter: what do you mean 32-bit gl libs? I havea 32bit system. what package is this? I have mesa installed |
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| 08:28.17 | I_Died_Once | supported in the kernel? |
| 08:28.43 | Diopter | pa7iQ: Well then, don't mind me. I assumed 64 bit, since the specific issue I mentioned is very common with google earth :) |
| 08:28.49 | I_Died_Once | !rtl819x |
| 08:28.49 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 08:29.00 | pa7iQ | oh I see thanks anyway |
| 08:29.02 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: what chip do you have? |
| 08:29.15 | wols_ | pa7iQ: tried other programs that need 3d acceleration? |
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| 08:29.23 | I_Died_Once | well, the box says its by a company called zonet... |
| 08:29.51 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: lspci -nn |
| 08:30.01 | I_Died_Once | google and lspci says its a realtek 8185 |
| 08:30.11 | pa7iQ | wols_: only tried fuhquake, it starts and I can enter a map without problem, doesn't seem to be slow |
| 08:30.39 | wols_ | pa7iQ: probably a google earth problem :( |
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| 08:30.52 | I_Died_Once | rtl-8185 |
| 08:31.49 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: lspci -nn |
| 08:31.54 | I_Died_Once | now, i did go to the realtek page and downloaded/installed their driver |
| 08:32.04 | I_Died_Once | i cant copy and paste, i'm on a diff machine |
| 08:32.04 | pa7iQ | i'll try to upgrade google earth then |
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| 08:33.37 | unkmar | The has been the most UNupgraded Upgrade I have ever gone through. |
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| 08:35.47 | unkmar | my conky script is broken for multiple reasons. I know of at least 2 of them. The acpi data moved and improved. and conky appears to have a new limit to line lengths. I have a 1600 wide screen and I like using the width. |
| 08:35.52 | fsgxdroid | hi, i have bought Intel 320 series SSD and i would like to know does debian squeeze supports ssd TRIM out-of-box? |
| 08:36.36 | wols_ | !trim |
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| 08:36.53 | wols_ | fsgxdroid: use ext4 and mount it with "discard" option. then it does |
| 08:37.00 | Diopter | fsgxdroid: ext4 and btrfs support TRIM, but only after a certain kernel revision. I'm not sure about Squeeze's kernel... |
| 08:37.14 | Diopter | Seem to recall it was 2.6.38, but maybe earlier. |
| 08:37.16 | unkmar | I have been using openbox, no form of taskmanager, deskbar or whatever you might call it. Was using conky as a systems display. |
| 08:37.27 | I_Died_Once | ok, i cd'd and did a make uninstall for the drivers i downloaded since you said they were in the kernel |
| 08:37.30 | I_Died_Once | and rebooted |
| 08:37.31 | Zambezi | Suddenly between Lenny and Squeeze it's only possible to rsync in about 1.12 MB/s, instead of 25 MB/s last time I did my rsync. I'm clueless why. Any ideas? Note it's the same settings as before. |
| 08:37.42 | fsgxdroid | ext4 or btrfs? which would be better for SSD? |
| 08:38.07 | partido | Hi, can anyone tell me how to install the kernel from squeeze-backports (preferably in Synaptic) without it automatically removing the stable squeeze one? I'm having issues with my video driver (nouveau) when using dual monitors, and I'm thinking the new kernel might resolve the problems. But I don't want to risk losing the otherwise working one if I don't have to. |
| 08:38.26 | wols_ | Diopter: squeeze supports it |
| 08:38.30 | Diopter | fsgxdroid: Do some research, that's a huge question :) |
| 08:38.35 | Diopter | wols_: Cool, good to know |
| 08:38.40 | I_Died_Once | when i do modprobe rtl8185 is says its not found |
| 08:38.54 | fsgxdroid | Diopter: ok, i'll check it out :) |
| 08:38.58 | I_Died_Once | and iwconfig shows no wireless |
| 08:39.09 | wols_ | damn, I was wrong. 2.6.33 it is. |
| 08:39.12 | unkmar | Diopter: and nv/nouveau are tragically slow compared to the nvidia drivers I was using. But now I am kinda stuck. |
| 08:39.16 | wols_ | Diopter: not cool :( |
| 08:39.18 | pa7iQ | thanks for the help wols_ and others |
| 08:39.31 | wols_ | fsgxdroid: you will need a backports kernel, the default 2.6.32 doesn't support it |
| 08:39.35 | wrksx | i'd like to upgrade to squeeze |
| 08:39.40 | unkmar | Actually, this has pretty much turned what was a useful laptop into a paper weight. |
| 08:39.51 | wrksx | i wonder what means main and contrib in this line: squeeze main contrib |
| 08:40.02 | wrksx | ftp.fr.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib |
| 08:40.05 | wols_ | !tell wrksx about contrib |
| 08:40.10 | wrksx | thx |
| 08:40.14 | wols_ | wrksx: main is the main debian repository. the actual debian one |
| 08:40.26 | Diopter | unkmar: Yikes. Sorry to hear it |
| 08:40.50 | fsgxdroid | wols_: for btrfs or SSD trim? |
| 08:40.50 | unkmar | Nearly everything I was using it for has been trashed. |
| 08:40.55 | wrksx | wols_, ok so for a production server contrib is to avoid |
| 08:41.28 | wrksx | wols_, since i think i only use pure debian packages |
| 08:42.03 | I_Died_Once | this is frustrating, the site and wols_ says it is supported in the kernel, yet I get FATAL: Module rtl8180 not found. |
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| 08:42.13 | I_Died_Once | when i go to modprobe |
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| 08:42.31 | Diopter | I_Died_Once: modprobe -l | grep 8180, or grep rt |
| 08:42.43 | Diopter | Might be r8180, rt8180, rtl8x00, etc |
| 08:42.47 | Diopter | Get creative |
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| 08:43.59 | wrksx | should i use deb ftp.fr.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 08:44.06 | wrksx | or deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
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| 08:44.14 | wrksx | ? |
| 08:44.22 | I_Died_Once | yeahs its not loaded and i have no wlan0 from iwconfig |
| 08:45.36 | Diopter | I_Died_Once: We're not trying to find out if it's loaded, we're looking for the right module name. |
| 08:45.50 | Diopter | I_Died_Once: modprobe -l gives you a list of every module there is |
| 08:46.36 | zfe | uhm |
| 08:46.41 | zfe | i've just installed debian |
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| 08:46.46 | zfe | why is antialiasing so crappy |
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| 08:47.54 | Diopter | zfe: You mean on the terminal font? |
| 08:48.02 | zfe | i mean everything |
| 08:48.08 | zfe | it looks poorly anti-aliased |
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| 08:49.40 | Diopter | zfe: Didn't really have that experience. Perhaps the DPI is set wrong for your screen. |
| 08:49.59 | zfe | how can i fix it? |
| 08:50.03 | I_Died_Once | when i grep rtl, there are similar ones but not mine |
| 08:50.06 | Diopter | The free drivers can't always tell what it should be as accurately as the proprietary |
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| 08:50.21 | Diopter | zfe: xrandr --dpi <value> |
| 08:50.37 | zfe | ok, mmm |
| 08:50.42 | zfe | now i think i have to go with wild guesses |
| 08:50.44 | zfe | am i wrong? |
| 08:50.46 | zfe | anyway |
| 08:50.48 | zfe | http://oi51.tinypic.com/23mmucn.jpg |
| 08:50.50 | Diopter | Of course not wild guesses :P |
| 08:51.04 | Diopter | Just go lookup your machine. Or the res and screen size. |
| 08:51.06 | zfe | eh Diopter, how am i gonna know what's the proper dpi |
| 08:51.20 | I_Died_Once | ok, i am ssh'd in from this machine |
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| 08:51.24 | Diopter | Mine's a 15" widescreen laptop at 1920x1080, and the horiz DPI is 141 |
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| 08:51.33 | Diopter | You can google it up. |
| 08:52.00 | I_Died_Once | 02:0b.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8185] (rev 20) |
| 08:52.28 | wols_ | ,pciid 10ec:8185 |
| 08:52.29 | judd | [10ec:8185] is 'RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8180' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8185 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 08:52.50 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: uname -r |
| 08:53.02 | Diopter | I_Died_Once: What does "lspci -k | grep -A4 Ethernet" show? |
| 08:53.05 | I_Died_Once | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 08:54.06 | I_Died_Once | this: http://pastebin.com/szJk0XQC |
| 08:54.12 | partido | Can anyone tell me how to install the kernel from squeeze-backports (preferably in Synaptic) without it automatically removing the stable squeeze one? I'm having issues with my video driver (nouveau) when using dual monitors, and I'm thinking the new kernel might resolve the problems. But I don't want to risk losing the otherwise working one if I don't have to. |
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| 08:54.22 | Loceka | hello :) |
| 08:54.30 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8180.ko |
| 08:54.55 | I_Died_Once | No such file or directory |
| 08:54.59 | zfe | still |
| 08:55.02 | zfe | extremely crappy |
| 08:55.02 | zfe | off |
| 08:55.20 | wols_ | partido: installing the backports kernel (definitely with apt-get or aptitude) will not remove the normal squeeze kernel |
| 08:55.30 | zfe | kkk |
| 08:55.37 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: reinstall your kernel .deb package with dpkg -i |
| 08:56.05 | I_Died_Once | that sounds scary |
| 08:56.10 | partido | wols_: Hm, ok, I'll give it a try with one of those. Synaptic wants to remove the currently installed one as part of the process. |
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| 08:57.03 | zfe | sda |
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| 08:57.52 | I_Died_Once | i just about have no clue on which .deb to get to install |
| 08:58.23 | pa7iQ | the newest google earth works :) |
| 08:59.08 | partido | wols_: Yeah, that seems to be giving a much better result. Thanks for the suggestion! |
| 09:00.00 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: this one http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686/download it's your current kernel |
| 09:00.07 | wrksx | is this message expected while going lenny -> squeeze ? |
| 09:00.08 | wrksx | Err http://volatile.debian.org squeeze/volatile/main Packages |
| 09:00.08 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.07 | I_Died_Once | before you pasted that, wols_ i found it in synaptic and that last command that showed nothing now has this |
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| 09:01.10 | I_Died_Once | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38964 Jun 13 06:02 /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8180.ko |
| 09:01.18 | I_Died_Once | so i am rebooting and hoping for the best |
| 09:02.08 | wols_ | !volatile |
| 09:02.08 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze-updates>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 09:02.29 | wols_ | I_Died_Once: don't reboot |
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| 09:02.51 | babilen | !tell wrksx -about release notes |
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| 09:03.01 | babilen | wrksx: Please read and follow the release notes for the upgrade |
| 09:03.36 | wrksx | babilen, i'm reading it, bot they do not say a word about volatile |
| 09:03.48 | babilen | wrksx: Are you sure? |
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| 09:04.09 | wrksx | babilen, or ctrl-f is lying =) |
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| 09:05.43 | babilen | wrksx: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#stable-updates |
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| 09:07.29 | wrksx | babilen, thanks that's useful |
| 09:08.44 | wrksx | I also used to have this in my sources.list: |
| 09:08.49 | wrksx | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 09:10.09 | wrksx | babilen, what about this one ? do you think I can use it with squeez ? |
| 09:10.20 | wrksx | like deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 09:13.25 | wrksx | so can i use both lines: |
| 09:13.26 | wrksx | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 09:13.30 | wrksx | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 09:14.31 | babilen | wrksx: yes |
| 09:14.48 | wrksx | babilen, ok thank you verymuch |
| 09:15.19 | babilen | wrksx: Using squeeze-updates was a very bad idea IMHO |
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| 09:15.27 | babilen | I mean the name ... |
| 09:15.45 | wrksx | babilen, lol i nearly had a heart attack |
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| 09:16.09 | wrksx | babilen, yeah the name is confusing for non expert users |
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| 09:19.54 | Loceka | does someone know how to boot on a "liveCD" contained on a sofrware RAID partition ? |
| 09:20.11 | PerfDave | What do you mean by that Loceka? |
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| 09:21.18 | Alfabet | booting from a livecd and mounting a software raid? |
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| 09:21.47 | PerfDave | Or booting from an ISO file on a filesystem on a RAID partition? |
| 09:22.47 | Loceka | PerfDave, I mean I have created a RAID partition an copied a liveCD on it |
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| 09:23.01 | Loceka | PerfDave, and I cant boot on the live CD |
| 09:23.23 | PerfDave | Loceka: What's the nature of the raid partition, and what do you mean by "copied a liveCD"? |
| 09:23.25 | Loceka | doing the same with a "normal" partition works well though |
| 09:23.41 | Loceka | well its a software RAID 5 partition |
| 09:24.15 | Alfabet | i think you need /boot outside the raid |
| 09:24.49 | Loceka | PerfDave, and I followed the live USB method : copy the live CD .iso on the partition + moved the vmlinuz and initrd to / |
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| 09:25.09 | Loceka | Alfabet, with grub2 this should no longer be necessary |
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| 09:25.28 | Alfabet | i didn't now that, sorry |
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| 09:26.23 | Alfabet | if grub can find kernel and initrd, there should be no difference between normal boot or raid boot |
| 09:26.43 | Loceka | well yes, there should not |
| 09:27.00 | Loceka | but the liveCD does not have mdadm package on it |
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| 09:27.09 | Loceka | so maybe that's the issur |
| 09:27.18 | Alfabet | unless dm modules were not in initrd |
| 09:27.20 | Loceka | and I cant figure out how to add it |
| 09:27.27 | Loceka | they aint :/ |
| 09:28.39 | Alfabet | maybe bootin from a livecd with mdadm, chooting to RAID and installing from there |
| 09:28.53 | wrksx | i'm so happy to use a free open source OS |
| 09:29.50 | PerfDave | Loceka: You might want to find the grub2 IRC channel and ask there |
| 09:29.51 | Loceka | Alfabet, but how to add the module to initrd ? |
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| 09:31.35 | wrksx | hum |
| 09:32.15 | wrksx | New kernel configuration asked me about updating the partitions ids |
| 09:32.24 | wrksx | i answered no where i'd like to say yes |
| 09:32.32 | wrksx | how could I start the process again ? |
| 09:32.35 | Alfabet | Loceka, recompiling kernel and making a new initrd |
| 09:33.12 | Alfabet | Loceka, which livecd is? |
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| 09:34.49 | wrksx | is dpkg-reconfigure designed for this task . |
| 09:34.51 | wrksx | ? |
| 09:35.51 | Loceka | Alfabet, actually it is Mint liveCD but I cant get no support on their chan |
| 09:36.26 | Loceka | Alfabet, and it's a distrib free question anyway since it happens at boot time |
| 09:37.15 | wrksx | damn |
| 09:37.46 | Alfabet | I've found a short manual that can help; can I write links here or should be sent private? (sorry, new in this channel) |
| 09:38.05 | wrksx | i tried to remove then install again the kernell but the popup dialog about changing the partitions ids didn't show up |
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| 09:38.32 | wrksx | how could I see it again in order to have these id's updated ? |
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| 09:41.17 | wols_ | wrksx: you can't. it changed them from /dev/sda style to UUIDs. why would do want to redo it? |
| 09:41.42 | wrksx | wols_, i answered no instead of yes (misclick) |
| 09:42.01 | wrksx | wols_, so it wasn't updated I guess |
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| 09:42.38 | wols_ | hmm.. I dunno where it keeps those settings :( |
| 09:42.56 | wols_ | what it does is it changes the fstab and your kernel parameters for root= to UUID afaik |
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| 09:43.18 | wrksx | wols_, yes but i won't be able to manually do it |
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| 09:43.55 | wols_ | of course you can do it manually |
| 09:44.23 | starenka | hi, can i somehow trigger actions when new kernel is installed (of course i can - grub, vbox etc.. does that, but i don't know how). I need to build module for wifi by hand every time :( |
| 09:45.00 | wrksx | wols_, where are these kernel parameters ? |
| 09:45.21 | Alfabet | starenka, tried module-assistant? |
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| 09:46.47 | starenka | Alfabet: well i do "build" the module with it (m-a a-i broadcom-sta), can i somehow trigger that when new kernel is istalled? |
| 09:47.50 | nevyn | that's what ma does |
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| 09:48.29 | Alfabet | right, that's what it should do |
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| 09:51.34 | starenka | really? how? i need to run it everytime i install a new kernel. this is bad, cause it's my gf's notebook and it's hard to make her plug in eth cable, get ip and than build it.... need to trigger m-a action when new kernel is being installed |
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| 09:52.29 | starenka | im sorry if i look like i don't RTFM, but i just couldn't find any info regarding this |
| 09:53.36 | Alfabet | starenka, how often do you update that kernel? |
| 09:54.39 | Alfabet | you need kernel headers for m-a to work |
| 09:54.44 | starenka | it's testing...so quite often. well the problem is I do the updates, but sometimes i forget to build it and when she gets out of the battery it boots w/ new kernel w/out wifi :( |
| 09:55.11 | Arafangion | starenka: Why are you updating the kernel so often, even so? |
| 09:55.38 | wrksx | help please. I wrongly answer to a message about updating the partitons id during the squeeze kernel installation |
| 09:55.46 | wrksx | I'd like to save my system |
| 09:55.51 | starenka | Arafangion: well i update all the software incl. kernel |
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| 09:56.06 | Arafangion | starenka: Why do you include the kernel? |
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| 09:56.13 | starenka | nevermind my habbits... the question is: can i automate this? :) |
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| 09:56.27 | Alfabet | you can make a bash script with two lines: "aptitude safe-upgrade" and "m-a a-i broadcom-sta" |
| 09:56.33 | Arafangion | starenka: Possibly, yes, but the real issue is - should you? |
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| 09:56.53 | Alfabet | you can not forget this way :-) |
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| 09:57.18 | starenka | Alfabet: hehe, didn't think about such thing ;) thanks |
| 09:57.22 | nsadmin | wrksx, it already wrote your partition table? (hold a moment pls...) |
| 09:57.54 | wrksx | nsadmin, I just use apt-get install <mykernel> |
| 09:58.11 | war9407 | I have a question if anyone wants to bite: is it possible to have all 4 interfaces on a 4 port card on the same subnet? I did this and then used iproute2 to 'route' out of each interface; however, it screws up NAT over eth0(I have 7 nics total), eth0-eth6 |
| 09:58.12 | Alfabet | anyway, m-a should do the trick; are things installed in common places? |
| 09:58.13 | wrksx | nsadmin, i don't know if it wrote anything on my partition table |
| 09:58.29 | starenka | Arafangion: why shouldn't I? |
| 09:58.36 | wrksx | nsadmin, what I know is that it didn't updated the partitions id's |
| 09:58.53 | wrksx | nsadmin, since I accidentally answered NO when asked about it |
| 09:59.09 | Arafangion | starenka: Because things can, and do break. |
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| 10:00.01 | starenka | Arafangion: i have no problem to report a bug than ;) but yep, lesson learned, will be more careful |
| 10:00.07 | Arafangion | starenka: Especially if you're in testing, as opposed to stable. :) |
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| 10:00.30 | wrksx | I conider trying dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=dialog linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 10:00.45 | Arafangion | starenka: Infact, I remember a time in testing when someone accidentally slipped in a badly named package. (Which was the kernel) |
| 10:00.50 | starenka | Arafangion: yes, but sincerly, would you install stable on gf's laptop? it's okay now, but after a year? the soft is too old |
| 10:00.50 | wrksx | but I don't quite understand what the manual says about it. |
| 10:00.56 | wrksx | is this ssafe |
| 10:00.58 | wrksx | ? |
| 10:00.58 | Arafangion | starenka: Consequence: That kernel was always regarded as teh most recent version. |
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| 10:01.06 | siegen | hi |
| 10:01.08 | Arafangion | starenka: Yes, I would. |
| 10:01.28 | Arafangion | starenka: And besides, how does software get "old"? |
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| 10:01.50 | starenka | Arafangion: heh, don't take it literally, you know what i mean... |
| 10:02.02 | Arafangion | starenka: I'm a software engineer. It's my job to be literal. |
| 10:02.03 | wols_ | Arafangion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rot |
| 10:02.08 | nsadmin | wrksx, you mean dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=dialog linux-image-2.6-486? |
| 10:02.14 | Arafangion | wols_: I always forget about that. :) |
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| 10:02.18 | wrksx | nsadmin, yeah |
| 10:02.39 | kish | any way of setting up a minimal config ftp server? |
| 10:02.54 | nsadmin | I don't think it does anything to your partition table |
| 10:02.54 | wrksx | nsadmin, i got the feeling it might provide me with the save dialog i wrongly answered |
| 10:02.56 | starenka | Arafangion: r'OK! ;)' |
| 10:03.07 | kish | i just need something that hosts files, right now i'm using python httpserver |
| 10:03.20 | kish | not sure why i want ftp |
| 10:03.25 | nsadmin | give it a shot... you can always ctrl-c out of it |
| 10:03.31 | wrksx | lol |
| 10:03.41 | wrksx | lets try |
| 10:04.04 | Arafangion | starenka: She's far more likely to be concerned about firefox, google chrome, and that kidn of stuff than a theoretical performance improvement brought in by a new kernel. |
| 10:04.11 | nsadmin | do you understand what dpkg-reconfigure does and what it could change? |
| 10:04.36 | wrksx | nsadmin, not at all |
| 10:04.52 | wrksx | nsadmin, i thought it was all about install configuration |
| 10:05.20 | Arafangion | gets back to thinking about how he'll change from nvidia to nouveau. |
| 10:05.20 | wrksx | it ran silently |
| 10:05.24 | nsadmin | ok... a debian maintainer could have things in his package that need some information from the user |
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| 10:05.57 | nsadmin | this is part of the thing where a package install has two parts, an "unpack" part and a "configure" part |
| 10:06.00 | starenka | Arafangion: sounds logical. The point is that i have couple testing machines (includuing my laptop), so I would have probably spotted any problem BEFORE i'll do the upgrade at her laptop... |
| 10:06.17 | starenka | Arafangion: ok, will think about it one more time. thanks for help |
| 10:06.22 | starenka | have a nice weekend all! |
| 10:06.24 | Arafangion | starenka: Controlled updates are teh best way to do it. :) |
| 10:06.31 | Arafangion | starenka: And you're almost there, by the sounds of it. |
| 10:06.32 | nsadmin | I plan to! |
| 10:06.49 | nsadmin | I'm going to meet 30-100 women this weekend!! |
| 10:06.53 | wrksx | nsadmin, this is the kind of thing that happen when the system prompted me about this partition renaming ? |
| 10:07.00 | Arafangion | nsadmin: How'd you manage that? |
| 10:07.06 | wrksx | nsadmin, damn |
| 10:07.41 | nsadmin | Arafangion: I have a gig playing at the Condor in sf tomorrow |
| 10:07.42 | starenka | Arafangion: shave legs, wear a bra, go to mall ;) |
| 10:07.51 | nsadmin | (a strip club :) |
| 10:07.56 | starenka | heh |
| 10:08.09 | starenka | what music do you play? |
| 10:08.29 | nsadmin | I think we'll mostly be doing blues and R&b |
| 10:08.32 | Arafangion | nsadmin: ANd yet when asked what you did, you can just say; "I had to performa t a gig", you don't even need to evade teh whole "strip club" thing! |
| 10:08.40 | Arafangion | R&B? |
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| 10:09.22 | nsadmin | Rhythm and Blues, like soul, funk, gospelish probably |
| 10:09.31 | Arafangion | didn't think strip clubs were that popular with the women. |
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| 10:10.01 | nsadmin | well we're playing from 3-6, before the club starts functioning as a strip clu b |
| 10:10.22 | nsadmin | and you'd be very very surprised at what can go on, in any case :) |
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| 10:10.36 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I'm sure I'd be horrified. :) |
| 10:11.00 | nsadmin | Are you married? |
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| 10:11.13 | Arafangion | No. |
| 10:11.20 | nsadmin | some stuff can be pretty scary |
| 10:11.24 | nsadmin | fit |
| 10:11.26 | nsadmin | err |
| 10:11.31 | nsadmin | it's true |
| 10:12.44 | nsadmin | for example, if I told you to go into a club and talk to every woman (incl bar tenders, models, actresses, 11+ bombshells, etc), that can be very scary if you haven't done it beofre |
| 10:13.17 | Arafangion | I'd be fine with that. ;) |
| 10:13.24 | Arafangion | They're the ones who find me scary. :) |
| 10:13.28 | nsadmin | it can be scary if you've gone to clubs and whatnot meeding 10 women per day for 10 months... |
| 10:13.35 | Arafangion | Or interesting, in any case. |
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| 10:14.34 | Arafangion | I don't speak english, typically. :) |
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| 10:15.46 | nsadmin | but mostly, I'm committing to meeting 30 women at minimum... that's direct answer to your question of "How'd I manage that" |
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| 10:16.10 | nsadmin | I'm just gonna get in their face and say hi! |
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| 10:17.35 | Arafangion | Awesome. :) |
| 10:17.47 | nsadmin | yeah, I think so too! |
| 10:18.08 | wrksx | a little bit of help needed: |
| 10:18.22 | wrksx | maybe I could fix my system if i find what is DEBIAN_FRONTEND |
| 10:18.27 | wrksx | see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501794 |
| 10:18.28 | nsadmin | I just got back from playing at a jam session... this one drummer kicked ass |
| 10:19.03 | nsadmin | wrksx, a front end is software that presents the configuration questions |
| 10:19.11 | wrksx | ok |
| 10:19.27 | wrksx | There's a constant or something preventing me from seeing the questions again |
| 10:19.30 | nsadmin | so, dialog is one possible front end for dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:19.40 | wrksx | according to this bugreport |
| 10:19.58 | nsadmin | oh, forgot what that's called |
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| 10:20.20 | wrksx | what ? |
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| 10:21.02 | thescrutator | Why is it that when I press ctrl+alt+backspace, xorg does NOT die? |
| 10:21.26 | nsadmin | because the x server is configured to not do that by default |
| 10:21.28 | thescrutator | is really Arafangion in disguise. |
| 10:21.37 | thescrutator | nsadmin: Sounds like a stupid default. |
| 10:21.50 | thescrutator | nsadmin: I'm fairly certain it isn't the default in xorg 7.6. |
| 10:21.52 | nsadmin | yeah, I'm not sure I like it either |
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| 10:22.08 | nsadmin | it might be the debian default somehow |
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| 10:24.21 | nsadmin | I want to kill the x server every once in awhile... and when it doesn't work I take it as a piece of evidence my system might be frozen |
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| 10:24.38 | Arafangion | Exactly. |
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| 10:25.47 | wols_ | thescrutator: it is the xorg default afaik. at least it needs a xorg.conf entry to enable |
| 10:26.32 | Arafangion | wols_: Not that I can see. |
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| 10:28.41 | nsadmin | I'm gonna try playing with networ-manager for a few mins (which means I'll be offline) |
| 10:29.02 | Arafangion | thescrutator's going to be off-and-on, himself. |
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| 10:29.16 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Incidentally, I hate network-manager. I much prefer wicd. |
| 10:30.14 | b0mbadil | hi all |
| 10:30.40 | b0mbadil | I have a little problem with my squeeze installation |
| 10:31.10 | b0mbadil | I can't unlock gdmsetup to autologin at boot |
| 10:31.36 | wrksx | how to force apt get to configure with dialog frontend even for already seen/answered questions? |
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| 10:32.14 | b0mbadil | and when I edit the file /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf it does not work either |
| 10:33.16 | b0mbadil | Does anyone has an idea? |
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| 10:36.44 | latepre | any suggestion for a bootable hdd diganostics tool? |
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| 10:36.50 | Pinchiukas | Where in squeeze can I find this mysqltop thing? |
| 10:37.23 | Arafangion | b0mbadil: You might need to restart or reload gdm. |
| 10:37.36 | Arafangion | b0mbadil: Or add it to a runlevel. See update-rc.d |
| 10:37.47 | wrksx | what about debconf linux-image-xxx |
| 10:38.21 | b0mbadil | Arafangion: I reboot many time without success |
| 10:38.37 | b0mbadil | I will try to add it to a runlevel |
| 10:38.43 | b0mbadil | thank you |
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| 10:38.57 | Arafangion | investigates his computer and discovers that his HDMI connection wouldn't work because it wasn't *plugged in*. |
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| 10:41.35 | wols_ | wrksx: what about it? |
| 10:42.00 | wrksx | wols_, nothing actually it seems not the thing to use for my issue |
| 10:42.27 | wrksx | what is terse output mode (dpkg) ? |
| 10:45.38 | wrksx | this is a nightmare |
| 10:45.54 | wrksx | impossible to see again answered questions |
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| 10:46.25 | wrksx | i'm going for a re-install |
| 10:46.41 | wrksx | so much time loosed for a stupid misclick |
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| 10:48.32 | Pinchiukas | Isn't there a package for mtop in squeeze??? |
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| 11:02.04 | Pinchiukas | Can anybody tell me how to get mtop in squeeze? |
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| 11:06.55 | {xmb} | i have when updating straight to unstable uninited string $text in conc . in `wrapI18N.pm |
| 11:06.59 | Guest10480 | Hello there, stupid apt problem, I have an unstable chroot (because testing wouldn't work from the mirror, and it tries to fetch "Packages" instead of "Packages.gz". |
| 11:07.01 | {xmb} | what to do, it respawns it endless |
| 11:07.06 | Guest10480 | Any idea where that is controlled? |
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| 11:07.24 | Guest10480 | Their mirror only has Packages for unstable, but not for testing, that'S why I notice |
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| 11:07.53 | rudi_s | Pinchiukas: Get the src package from lenny and rebuild it on squeeze. |
| 11:07.59 | rudi_s | Should work similiar to ssb. |
| 11:08.04 | rudi_s | !tell Pinchiukas about ssb |
| 11:08.16 | Pinchiukas | Sheesh... |
| 11:08.31 | rudi_s | But there is a reason it was removed from squeeze - so be careful. |
| 11:08.36 | {xmb} | please help its a remote box |
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| 11:08.50 | Pinchiukas | That sucks. |
| 11:09.42 | {xmb} | at libc6 postinstall |
| 11:09.47 | Guest10480 | Hello there, stupid apt problem, I have an unstable chroot (because testing wouldn't work from the mirror, and it tries to fetch "Packages" instead of "Packages.gz". The man page says "Packages.gz" will be fetched by apt-get update, so how can this be? |
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| 11:10.05 | wols_ | Guest10480: use a official debian mirror then. and stop repeating |
| 11:10.28 | wols_ | {xmb}: reinsall and don't run unstable |
| 11:10.30 | Guest10480 | wols_, well, using the compressed file, is a good idea, isn't it |
| 11:10.34 | {xmb} | no hell |
| 11:10.42 | {xmb} | its not broken, the system |
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| 11:11.02 | {xmb} | its just a small thing |
| 11:11.18 | wols_ | {xmb}: it's unstable. it's ALWAYS broken. always. and when it breaks like it always does, you can keep both pieces |
| 11:11.32 | {xmb} | i used to run it for long years myself, no broken |
| 11:11.37 | Arafangion | Blegh |
| 11:11.54 | Guest10480 | unstable != unsupported |
| 11:12.36 | {xmb} | tru |
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| 11:12.38 | Arafangion | Why might my HDMI graphics not be working? (Apparently I "should" be using 1920x1020P or something at 60Hz, and apparently, despite my checking, I'm already using that) |
| 11:12.55 | {xmb} | $text = $top2 . $word . $c . $text; |
| 11:12.57 | wols_ | Arafangion: more info needed |
| 11:12.59 | {xmb} | nothing wrong, says its uninited |
| 11:13.08 | {xmb} | how to init it in perl, $text = ""; ? |
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| 11:13.19 | Arafangion | So I do get output, at least, but both nouveau *and* nvidia result in blurry graphics, and the wrong offset. (Ie, it's too large for the screen) |
| 11:13.40 | Arafangion | wols_: It's hard for me to know what info is needed. I'm very new to HDMI. |
| 11:13.55 | {xmb} | ok i fixed it |
| 11:13.57 | {xmb} | thanks j00 |
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| 11:14.09 | {xmb} | a my $text = ''; was missing |
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| 11:14.21 | wols_ | !tell {xmb} about enter |
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| 11:14.37 | wols_ | Arafangion: regarding nouveau, what does xrandr say? and nvidia, what nvidia-settings? |
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| 11:15.32 | Arafangion | wols_: Let me check xrandr... But nvidia-settings was claiming that I was using 1920x1080 at 60Hz, and at that time, another application would claim that I was actually using 55Hz. Weirdly, the default DPI was something in excess of 300dpi. |
| 11:16.02 | {xmb} | woot another mod seems to work also |
| 11:16.05 | {xmb} | byes |
| 11:16.12 | wols_ | with nvidia, you cannot trust the default X programs. nvidia doesn't play nice with others. see xrandr mess |
| 11:16.16 | debish | hey! |
| 11:16.29 | debish | is anyone having trouble with Turpial in Debian testing? |
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| 11:17.04 | solar_sea | Hi. I've just installed sqeeuze from a i386 6.0.2.1 dvd |
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| 11:17.12 | {xmb} | to fix that, add . '' to $text = ... |
| 11:17.12 | babilen | debish: you? |
| 11:17.18 | wols_ | debish: ask your real question |
| 11:17.32 | solar_sea | and it installed .. amd64 kernel with i386 binaries. How do I install a 32-bit kernel ontop ? |
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| 11:17.56 | debish | real question would be: Turpial does not load mi identi.ca profile since my last update |
| 11:18.05 | debish | has anyone experienced something similar? |
| 11:18.55 | Arafangion | wols_: I've noticed that. Unfortunately, I've been noticing that re-configuring nouveau with X11 is rather painful, because I can't see the top and bottom rows of my screen on the console. |
| 11:19.08 | Arafangion | wols_: That's with KMS (and nouveau) |
| 11:19.21 | debish | (Turpial 1.5.0, the one included in Debian testing) |
| 11:20.04 | wols_ | Arafangion: you mean your text mode ttys? |
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| 11:20.30 | debish | I'd like to know if my problem has to do with identi.ca or Turpial itself |
| 11:20.33 | debish | thaanks! ;) |
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| 11:25.59 | thescrutator | wols_: Sorry about the delay, I'm sharing my monitor between the two computers. |
| 11:26.19 | thescrutator | My xrandr running in X11 with nouveau, is http://paste.debian.net/126823/ |
| 11:27.14 | thescrutator | Whcih to me looks correct. Confusingly, the monitor doesn't seem to complain that it's not running at the correct settings anymore, so it might well have been an nvidia bug, but even so, it's blurry and at teh wrong offset. |
| 11:28.00 | debish | well, it seems to be a bug |
| 11:28.02 | debish | dev.turpial.org.ve/issues/414 |
| 11:28.08 | debish | (for those who may be interested) |
| 11:28.17 | thescrutator | I have no idea in heck why xrandr is claiming that my dimensions are 160mmx90mm, which explains the wacked dpi. |
| 11:28.54 | thescrutator | debish: That's a broken link |
| 11:29.14 | debish | thescrutator, try in cache |
| 11:29.23 | thescrutator | debish: What cache? |
| 11:29.39 | debish | google cache |
| 11:30.11 | debish | anyway, it gives me the same error, but it's not the same situation |
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| 11:30.27 | debish | they talk about a lack of a notification daemon |
| 11:30.36 | debish | and I already have one |
| 11:30.48 | debish | I have to go |
| 11:30.54 | debish | thanks for your answers |
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| 11:34.03 | thescrutator | Seems that HDMI issues are common. :( |
| 11:34.03 | Pinchiukas | Anybody using Amazons EC2 can tell me if there is no way to use the image storage (160GB in a "small" instance) for persistent storage? |
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| 11:37.39 | namtorba | Pinchiukas: dont they have support staff? |
| 11:37.57 | Pinchiukas | Guess they do. :) |
| 11:38.12 | thescrutator | wols_: Found the problem! |
| 11:38.22 | thescrutator | Damn that was annoying. |
| 11:38.28 | Pinchiukas | I'm just confused... why would they give a minimum 160GB of non-persistent storage? |
| 11:39.06 | thescrutator | Apparently, my Samsung SyncMaster 2494HS screen will give a nice display UNLESS I use HDMI. If I use HDMI, I get a crap display as I was describing. |
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| 11:39.37 | thescrutator | If I want a nice (very nice) HDMI display with this screen, I have to explicitly turn off "AV" mode in the monitor configuration (ie, in the on-screen controls) |
| 11:39.39 | thescrutator | it's stupid. |
| 11:39.43 | thescrutator | But that was the issue. |
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| 12:01.11 | archman | hello |
| 12:01.20 | Daemonic | welcome |
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| 12:01.37 | nevyn | thescrutator: I hate it when tv's try to be clever. |
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| 12:02.11 | archman | i did "aptitude safe-upgrade" and cancelled the process with Ctrl+C when it was downloading, and now when i want to continue to upgrade, it goes "Resolving dependencies" for eternity. where's the problem? |
| 12:02.34 | archman | it just counts some numbers |
| 12:02.46 | archman | (open, closed, defer, conflicts) |
| 12:02.54 | wols_ | archman: pastebin the output please |
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| 12:04.00 | archman | wols_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124159/raw |
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| 12:04.16 | archman | wols_: the open and closed numbers go on and on |
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| 12:04.41 | wols_ | archman: let it run. are the open numbers decreasing? are the closed ones increasing? |
| 12:04.58 | archman | wols_: both are increasing |
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| 12:05.07 | wols_ | archman: why are you safe-upgrading? from what to what? |
| 12:05.09 | archman | defer and conflict the same |
| 12:05.17 | archman | wols_: stable to testing |
| 12:06.00 | wols_ | archman: that's the wrong way to do it. and I strongly suggest you don't run testing. why do you think you need it? |
| 12:06.37 | archman | wols_: ok, then the wiki is wrong.. |
| 12:06.47 | archman | wols_: can you tell me the right way? |
| 12:06.52 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:06.57 | archman | :) |
| 12:06.59 | wols_ | please answer my question |
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| 12:07.24 | archman | wols_: i need "testing" to be rolling, i don't want massive upgrades every two years |
| 12:07.41 | wols_ | instead you get a broken update every month. hooray! |
| 12:07.58 | wols_ | instead of an update that actually works |
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| 12:08.53 | archman | wols_: ok, but i need a few programs (newer versions) which will, if i install it, introduce some new dependencies, so isn't that shaky? |
| 12:09.48 | nsadmin | perhaps your best bet is to run stable and compile whatever else you want |
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| 12:10.02 | archman | nsadmin: i want my package manager to track everything |
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| 12:10.28 | nsadmin | you're putting a lot of constraints on what you want :) |
| 12:10.44 | nsadmin | which is ok, it's what you want |
| 12:11.06 | archman | i come from a simple land, heh :) |
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| 12:11.36 | archman | wols_: well, i'll try pinning first, then, since the program i need isn't backported |
| 12:11.44 | nsadmin | here's one way of translating that as heard by maintainers... |
| 12:11.47 | thescrutator | archman: That's the crappy way to do it. |
| 12:12.02 | archman | thescrutator: pinning? tell me better |
| 12:12.06 | thescrutator | archman: But let me sit back and watch the channel discussions evolve, it's interesting. :) |
| 12:12.24 | treebeen | is there any reason that home directories are not 700 by default? |
| 12:12.43 | nsadmin | so, you want stability, but you also want new stuff periodically... which maintaqiners see as additional work they may or may not have time for due to their non-volunteer jobs |
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| 12:13.22 | Bushmills | treebeen: yes - that would render groups memebership meaningless |
| 12:13.40 | nsadmin | you want tested software, and you want it t3sted FAST FAST FAST |
| 12:14.03 | archman | wols_: can you tell me what's the right way to upgrade the system? |
| 12:14.19 | archman | nsadmin: what are you talking about?... |
| 12:14.20 | nsadmin | just so you know :) |
| 12:14.51 | nsadmin | I'm talking about how maintainers of debian packages -might- translate your desires |
| 12:14.55 | treebeen | Bushmills: ok, i mean, why are they world readable? root isn't |
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| 12:15.30 | archman | nsadmin: i don't care, and they shouldn't care about my personal desires, either - i just want to pass this problem the cleaner the better. |
| 12:15.32 | wols_ | archman: pinning is a very fast way for you to reinstall your debian. and you still haven't answered my question |
| 12:15.39 | Bushmills | treebeen: because that's how it is configured as default in adduser.conf |
| 12:15.50 | archman | wols_: what is your question i didn't answer? |
| 12:16.03 | archman | (02:05:09 PM) wols_: archman: why are you safe-upgrading? from what to what? |
| 12:16.09 | nsadmin | archman, good :) so, you're now saying you realize people are sometimes busy :) |
| 12:16.20 | archman | yes...? |
| 12:16.21 | wols_ | archman: why you actually need testing. your BS about "needing" a rolling release obviously was BS as you later pretty much admitted |
| 12:17.22 | treebeen | Bushmills: yes, i don't see any reason this is the default, why should anyone be able to access those files? it shouldn't be like that |
| 12:17.37 | nsadmin | the things you're asking for are expensive, and there are A LOT of debian mainta |
| 12:17.47 | Bushmills | of course ti should be like that - that's why it is like that |
| 12:18.08 | Bushmills | for the rest, they're free to change that |
| 12:18.23 | wols_ | archman: you "need" a program you said later. so you don't "need" a rolling release |
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| 12:19.13 | treebeen | Bushmills: fedora for example does 700 on the home directories, much better IMO |
| 12:19.32 | archman | wols_: in the debian wiki, again, is then, according to you, a totally wrong conception, telling that using "stable" but with pinned software is most probably worse than using just "stable" or "testing". |
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| 12:20.05 | nsadmin | well pinning can get hairy |
| 12:20.08 | Bushmills | treebeen: that's your opinion, and you're free to either use fedora if you prefer that, or change debian default to your liking |
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| 12:20.22 | Bushmills | treebeen: understand that your opinion alone is not sufficient to change debian's default |
| 12:20.45 | archman | nsadmin: when? |
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| 12:22.01 | thescrutator | archman: As for pining being the worst way to do it... |
| 12:22.12 | thescrutator | archman: You should be backporting it yourself if you really require the newer package. |
| 12:22.13 | nsadmin | when you're pinning a lot of packages and deps start to cross between pinned and nonpinned packages... something needs something, but the version is pinned, so that might count out a whole group of packages |
| 12:22.16 | bogdomania | hello ..can someone point me in the right direction on howto setup a fresh install on my powerpc machine ? an old G4 |
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| 12:22.26 | archman | thescrutator: ok, though about that :) |
| 12:22.47 | archman | thought* |
| 12:22.51 | nsadmin | bogdomania, can you burn cds? and boot from them? |
| 12:23.00 | nsadmin | and got blanks? |
| 12:23.21 | bogdomania | nsadmin: yes, but i was ref. to the bios, cuz i dont know how to setup boot priority |
| 12:23.32 | bogdomania | the cd is rdy |
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| 12:23.43 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 12:23.59 | nsadmin | so you set it up so it boots the cdrom before the hd |
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| 12:24.12 | salm | can i install a package with aptitude bust skip configuring it? |
| 12:24.16 | bogdomania | nsadmin: that's the ideea |
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| 12:24.18 | salm | i would like to install the extlinux binaries, but not actually use it as my boot manager |
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| 12:24.21 | bogdomania | how can i do that? |
| 12:25.10 | nsadmin | bogdomania, you have to futz with the bios settings for that... I can]t guide you exactly play-by-play since I don't know what bios you have |
| 12:25.13 | Bushmills | salm: installing extlinux doesn't affect your - for example - grub configuration |
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| 12:26.04 | treebeen | Bushmills: of course... seems like there is no real reason for that default other than to let users be at the mercy of admins who know to change it because otherwise anyone with an account can access their data |
| 12:26.50 | Bushmills | treebeen: setting home dirs to 700 makes it more difficult to allow access to files |
| 12:27.25 | Bushmills | well, i suppose if you live in a world of "don't share", that's probably not an issue to you |
| 12:28.15 | Bushmills | that may be why you don't see any reason for those perm not being 700 |
| 12:28.38 | treebeen | Bushmills: well, if that is so, the user can always open it up... default should be restrictive, protecting the indiviual |
| 12:29.50 | treebeen | anyway... i don't think you'll change it so at least I'm aware of the default :) |
| 12:30.03 | Bushmills | treebeen: consider that with 700, user can not set individual files to allow access by others. but with 750 or 755, user can restrict individual files |
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| 12:31.26 | treebeen | Bushmills: sure, use 750 then, don't give anyone access |
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| 12:32.14 | babilen | 750 makes as much sense as 700 fwiw |
| 12:33.48 | mjt | actually not - it is possible to add users to your "home" group |
| 12:34.25 | babilen | ok, granted :) |
| 12:35.10 | Bushmills | i suppose any of those make sense, in the corresponding environment |
| 12:35.25 | Bushmills | but there can't simply be 3 different defaults at the same time |
| 12:36.06 | babilen | no, there can't. Could be asked during the installation though (expert mode?) |
| 12:36.40 | Bushmills | expert simply launches an editor and changes the default :) |
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| 12:38.02 | Bushmills | actually, i seem to vaguely remember having seen a dialog related to home dir privs, during installation |
| 12:38.30 | namtorba | the installer used to ask if you wanted world-readable home dirs |
| 12:38.37 | babilen | Bushmills: yeah, I have that memory as well -- but it didn't come up when I last installed in expert mode. :-/ |
| 12:38.52 | babilen | namtorba: \o/ |
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| 12:39.09 | namtorba | ? |
| 12:39.17 | Bushmills | perms, not privs |
| 12:39.31 | babilen | namtorba: You clarified the question and I like your nick |
| 12:39.36 | dean | Hi all I have just installed mint debian and I know its not actual debian as such but is there issues trying to install gtkpod in Debian |
| 12:39.39 | namtorba | oh |
| 12:39.53 | namtorba | Bushmills: the difference is? |
| 12:40.08 | ansgar | !lmde |
| 12:40.08 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 12:40.18 | Bushmills | users have privileges. files/dirs have/grant permissions |
| 12:40.26 | dean | dpkg: I beg to differ the new lmde is Debian |
| 12:40.27 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, dean |
| 12:40.44 | namtorba | dean: it is *not*, and not up for discussion |
| 12:40.48 | babilen | dean: It is based on Debian -- If it were Debian why does it need a new name? |
| 12:41.05 | babilen | dean: Please ask in the mint channel or use Debian |
| 12:41.05 | thescrutator | dean: it will be up to discussion again once ubuntu is considered mostly debian. |
| 12:41.08 | dean | The new mint lmde is based on Debian not Ubuntu |
| 12:41.15 | nevyn | !based on debian |
| 12:41.16 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 12:41.46 | Bushmills | dean, i suppose that's why you were asked to ask on mint channel, not on ubuntu channel |
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| 12:42.37 | dean | I have gone onto linux mint channel but they are still using the Ubuntu based version I was only trying to find out if there issues with installing Gtkpod on Debian thats all and I am met with hostility |
| 12:42.47 | Bushmills | tell them to upgrade |
| 12:42.56 | namtorba | dean: please install Debian, then come back |
| 12:43.14 | dean | namtorba: I tried Debian before it didn't like my hardware |
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| 12:43.19 | Bushmills | there was no hostility, btw. only suggestions to join the proper channel |
| 12:43.29 | dean | Bushmills: Not from you no |
| 12:43.31 | namtorba | dean: so you admit you're not using Debian |
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| 12:44.05 | namtorba | dean: you're offtopic, and if you persist, you will likely be banned |
| 12:44.09 | dean | namtorba: I am using linux mint debian lmde its on there website |
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| 12:44.31 | namtorba | its not debian, ask the mint people |
| 12:44.37 | thescrutator | dean: Which version of debian is it? |
| 12:44.46 | wols | thescrutator: it's mint. not debian |
| 12:44.48 | dean | It is based on Debian repositories not Ubuntu |
| 12:44.48 | babilen | dean: You are welcome to ask your questions in here if you decide to run Debian, until then please ask in the mint channel. I would suggest to take a look at Debian's http://bugs.debian.org page to see which problems have been reported against gtkpod. Thank you |
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| 12:45.09 | namtorba | dean: please either ask the mint people or install Debian |
| 12:45.10 | thescrutator | dean: So it's neither stable, or testing? We sometimes support unstable, but it's not that either? |
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| 12:45.59 | Bushmills | "wheezy mint"? |
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| 12:46.09 | Bushmills | or is it "minty sid"? |
| 12:46.17 | namtorba | stoo |
| 12:46.20 | namtorba | stop |
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| 12:48.06 | treebeen | wow screw abrotman for banning people for nothing |
| 12:48.30 | namtorba | uhhuh |
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| 12:49.26 | me-alone | hi why Debian has so slow release cycle..?? |
| 12:49.53 | wols | !tell me-alone about wir |
| 12:49.56 | Bushmills | good thing takes time |
| 12:50.19 | thescrutator | me-alone: Slow? |
| 12:50.24 | thescrutator | me-alone: It's too fast. :( |
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| 12:50.45 | wols | me-alone: debian is made by volunteers and it only releases when these volunteers are satisfied with the quality |
| 12:51.33 | babilen | me-alone: And we are not easily satisfied ;) |
| 12:51.37 | me-alone | wols, I like Debian for it stability but it contains a bit dated apps |
| 12:51.51 | namtorba | do they do the work you need? |
| 12:52.09 | wols | me-alone: any stable distro contains dated apps. can't be otherwise. it's the same for RHEL for example |
| 12:53.00 | me-alone | they do a good job but this makes Debian a bit bland and less polished |
| 12:53.01 | JanJacobs | quite a hostility inhere hmz |
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| 12:53.34 | namtorba | me-alone: you're able to contribute and speed things up? |
| 12:54.12 | Bushmills | me-alone: many debian users prefer reliability over polish |
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| 12:54.58 | Bushmills | those who don't tend to run non-stable branches of debian, or migrate to derivatives |
| 12:55.11 | nevyn | I don't know how many people use stable. vs testing or wheezy. |
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| 12:55.25 | nevyn | it'd be interesting stats to gather from mirrors. |
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| 12:55.57 | wols | Bushmills: nah, tons of people still use testing or even sid |
| 12:56.12 | me-alone | thats why i use Debian but i have to live with older apps . I never use un-stable or backports |
| 12:56.17 | Bushmills | wols, "...tend to run non-stable branches..." |
| 12:56.22 | obiwahn | nevyn: do you think that would work? i upgrade sid far more often |
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| 12:56.42 | wols | !popcon |
| 12:56.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 12:56.50 | nevyn | popcon is NOT the answer |
| 12:56.51 | ansgar | nevyn: popcon.debian.org has graphs for the different versions (of popularity-contest). But of course it only reports information for people who enabled it. |
| 12:57.07 | wols | nevyn: the best you will get |
| 12:57.16 | nevyn | popcon is a self selecting survey set insta-fail. |
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| 12:57.29 | ansgar | nevyn: "mirror statistics" are neither. People use unoffical or private mirrors as well. |
| 12:57.48 | nevyn | ansgar: right there's problems whichever way you do it. |
| 12:58.01 | Bushmills | and many initially install stable, then change to testing |
| 12:58.06 | nevyn | gathering useful stats on debian usage is a hard problem |
| 12:58.08 | Bushmills | blurs the stats |
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| 13:00.20 | nevyn | but I'm more woried about the selfselecting characteristic of popcon data the blur in the mirror stats |
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| 13:18.48 | wrksx | hey |
| 13:19.12 | wrksx | where could I download a debian lenny netinstall image ? |
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| 13:19.26 | PerfDave | Why would you want a Debian lenny netinstall image? |
| 13:20.10 | wrksx | PerfDave, I need to install lenny |
| 13:20.17 | wols_ | !lenny |
| 13:20.18 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 13:20.21 | wrksx | in order to setup a test server |
| 13:21.48 | wrksx | wols_, I can't find a link to download lenny |
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| 13:22.22 | wrksx | <install lenny> |
| 13:22.24 | wrksx | dpkg <install lenny> |
| 13:22.25 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, wrksx |
| 13:22.27 | wrksx | dpkg install lenny |
| 13:22.28 | dpkg | Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 13:22.28 | Maikl27 | hello. is debian fully compatible with IBM x3650M3 ? |
| 13:22.37 | wrksx | pretty cool |
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| 13:23.18 | wols_ | S390 |
| 13:23.21 | wols_ | !S390 |
| 13:23.21 | dpkg | s390 is probably an IBM mainframe architecture, or now known as z series, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-s390 |
| 13:23.55 | wrksx | my preeceding kernel image ended by 486. Should I dl i386 img ? |
| 13:23.56 | wols_ | doh. different IBM |
| 13:24.14 | wols_ | wrksx: what else do you want to download? |
| 13:24.46 | wrksx | wols_, i'm still comfused about harware architecture |
| 13:24.50 | wrksx | wols_, thank |
| 13:24.50 | PerfDave | Maikl27: Define "fully compatible"? I don't think IBM support Debian as a distribution. |
| 13:24.51 | wrksx | s |
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| 13:25.41 | Maikl27 | PerfDave: I mean if I can install debian on this server and use it without problems |
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| 13:26.06 | wols_ | !Hcl |
| 13:26.06 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 13:27.11 | PerfDave | Maikl27: Define "without problems" |
| 13:27.22 | PerfDave | Maikl27: Suck it and see? |
| 13:27.41 | namtorba | !tias |
| 13:27.41 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 13:27.59 | Maikl27 | PerfDave: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623187 |
| 13:28.03 | Maikl27 | for example |
| 13:29.01 | PerfDave | Maikl27: I wouldn't expect this IRC channel to know about arbitrary IBM hardware models. |
| 13:29.13 | PerfDave | I mean, its' IBM kit, it's a heap of shit anyway, but hey, Debian might work on it ;) |
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| 13:30.04 | namtorba | Maikl27: i used debian on many IBM systems, no issues |
| 13:31.54 | Maikl27 | okey. When buy it I will try |
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| 13:32.09 | Maikl27 | PerfDave: why you think IBM sucks? |
| 13:32.27 | nevyn | PerfDave: is it new ibm kit? |
| 13:32.28 | namtorba | kuznetzvo: why are you msging me? |
| 13:32.59 | kuznetzvo | you mentioned ibm, and since it's off topic here, i didn't want to clutter the main channel. |
| 13:33.13 | PerfDave | Maikl27: I used to work for them, I *know* it sucks ;) |
| 13:33.19 | namtorba | try #debian-offtopic |
| 13:33.23 | anoob | i can use my computer very well with radeon module (6470m) but i cannot play half-life (i can see the menus)... property driver let me use the computer too but i can't open half-life... |
| 13:33.47 | namtorba | PerfDave: so your preferred x86 hardware manuf would be? |
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| 13:34.29 | PerfDave | namtorba: Don't really know TBH, but IBM are idiots who make shitty hardware ;) |
| 13:35.07 | Maikl27 | PerfDave: I will try it anyway |
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| 13:36.04 | Maikl27 | thanks guys, bye |
| 13:36.05 | wrksx | http debian images download are supposed to be slow, but it was really quick |
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| 13:36.26 | wrksx | i'm glad i tried it |
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| 13:36.44 | Sentencia | hello |
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| 13:36.53 | wrksx | I'm just a cd burn away from my new system to be installed |
| 13:36.54 | Sentencia | how to install debian in imac |
| 13:36.54 | namtorba | PerfDave: thats not helpful :) |
| 13:36.57 | Sentencia | using bootcamp? |
| 13:36.58 | wrksx | lol |
| 13:37.07 | namtorba | Sentencia: ppc or x86? |
| 13:37.10 | Sentencia | x86 |
| 13:37.26 | namtorba | use regular installer? |
| 13:37.27 | Sentencia | i tried 2 times and this imac cant find the debian partition to run from |
| 13:37.33 | wrksx | how much cost an imac ? |
| 13:38.04 | Sentencia | the regular installer works namtorba, but cant run the OS pressing Alt |
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| 13:38.29 | namtorba | wrksx: apple.com |
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| 13:38.45 | wrksx | namtorba, ok sorry to pulte your chanel dude |
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| 13:45.15 | bogdomania_ | hello again guys.. i just installed debian 6 on a powerpc (imac g4) machine, and eth0 seems to be functional.. still i cant browse the internet ...lspci shows the device |
| 13:45.35 | bogdomania_ | i need some help..and also the video drives seems to be missing |
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| 13:46.45 | sajkaca | hi. i m doing server with 6 hds and a raid 5. how to set up partition manager for this system? i m raeding google and i got a little confused :P |
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| 13:47.42 | EmleyMoor | sajkaca: Using Software RAID? |
| 13:47.51 | sajkaca | yes. |
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| 13:48.04 | EmleyMoor | OK - you can put LVM on top of that... |
| 13:48.05 | nkuttler | !tell bogdomania_ about ppc |
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| 13:48.39 | sajkaca | I tryed with this raid 1 for /boot and then raid 5 all 6 hds then lvm and then root swap and a storage. but that didnt work |
| 13:50.13 | EmleyMoor | sajkaca: I have a RAID 1 and RAID 6 layout - RAID 1 just for boot, LVM with all the rest on the RAID 6 |
| 13:50.47 | EmleyMoor | My VMs are running terribly now, btw= |
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| 13:52.03 | sajkaca | so i should put / on raid 1? and /var on raid 5 with lvm? is that a good idea? |
| 13:52.52 | EmleyMoor | /boot on RAID 1, an LVM on RAID 5 with /, /usr, /var, /home, swap &c. |
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| 13:53.58 | EmleyMoor | That's how I did it - but TMTOWTDI |
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| 13:54.16 | sajkaca | tmtowdti? |
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| 13:54.42 | EmleyMoor | There's more than one way to do it |
| 13:55.16 | sajkaca | yeah.. and i need the right one :P |
| 13:55.32 | EmleyMoor | There's more than one RIGHT way to do it |
| 13:56.10 | EmleyMoor | Is this a completely new install? |
| 13:57.03 | sajkaca | yes. |
| 13:57.29 | EmleyMoor | sajkaca: Well, it's pretty easy to set up in the installer... |
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| 13:59.08 | sajkaca | i hope so. becouse on ubuntu server there are a lot of bugs for this sort of a setup(you have to fix /boot wiuth live cd etc..) . so i decided to try with debian (more stable) :P |
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| 14:00.19 | EmleyMoor | I've done two totally new setups like this |
| 14:01.13 | EmleyMoor | First, decide how much space you need for /boot, and allow that much on each disk as one physical volume for RAID, the rest as another... |
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| 14:02.32 | EmleyMoor | Complete the RAID setup, define the two arrays, then use the RAID 5 as a physical volume for LVM. |
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| 14:03.11 | bluepixel2 | Is there a flag I can pass to dpkg when I'm installing a kernel to make it the default kernel to boot? |
| 14:03.31 | sajkaca | ok. tnx for guide lines :) |
| 14:03.38 | EmleyMoor | bluepixel2: Are you installing a kernel that wouldn't be? |
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| 14:04.15 | bluepixel2 | I'm installing an older kernel, so it's not the first in the list. The newest version seems to get booted at system start. |
| 14:04.44 | thescrutator | What state is debian testing in? |
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| 14:04.51 | thescrutator | i'm thinking of upgrading to it. |
| 14:05.10 | EmleyMoor | Right - well, no flag to dpkg will do it as far as I know - but you can set grub to boot it... |
| 14:05.50 | EmleyMoor | thescrutator: It's always potentially prone to breakage |
| 14:05.52 | bluepixel2 | EmleyMoor, thanks. I have to do it on 100 servers, so that's why I ask. I will probably remove the other kernels so there is only one kernel to boot. |
| 14:06.49 | thescrutator | EmleyMoor: I just want to get a feel for it. Some 8 years ago, I used to be a Sid person, until I realised I just didn't need Sid. |
| 14:07.18 | thescrutator | EmleyMoor: Just wondering if I should just backport a couple of packages, including xorg and compiling my own kernel, or upgrade. |
| 14:07.34 | EmleyMoor | thescrutator: I see... it's what's going to be released next, when it's ready |
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| 14:08.36 | thescrutator | EmleyMoor: The real question is: "Is this a good day to upgrade?" |
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| 14:11.04 | namtorba | thescrutator: no one can really answer that, too many variables |
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| 14:12.06 | thescrutator | Guess I'll suck it and see. |
| 14:14.43 | dvs | thescrutator: upgrade to what? |
| 14:14.59 | guru908 | quit |
| 14:15.04 | guru908 | exit |
| 14:15.23 | dvs | !exit |
| 14:15.23 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 14:15.33 | thescrutator | dvs: Testing. |
| 14:16.23 | thescrutator | dvs: I need the latest kernel debian has in order to get the hardware support I want. |
| 14:16.26 | dvs | thescrutator: there's never a good day to "upgrade" to testing. Every day is pretty much the same. |
| 14:16.39 | dvs | thescrutator: you don't need testing for that. |
| 14:16.40 | thescrutator | dvs: So I figured: "Just get a new kernel", but then i've found I need a new xorg, new drm, new... |
| 14:17.12 | wols | thescrutator: which kernel is this? for what hardware? |
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| 14:17.35 | dvs | thescrutator: Why do you "need" a new xorg, new drm,.. ? |
| 14:17.35 | thescrutator | wols: I want to support the NVidia Ion, in addition to the RTL8188CE |
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| 14:17.57 | wols | !RTL8188 |
| 14:17.57 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 14:18.19 | wols | thescrutator: PCI ID since it seems the rtl8199ce does not exist |
| 14:18.19 | thescrutator | Alternatively, I could just deal with the kernel and get RTL8188CE fixed up in stable. |
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| 14:18.38 | thescrutator | But then I'll need to use the binary blob for nvidia, although I might well need that regardless for accel. |
| 14:18.56 | wols | thescrutator: I doubt you need to upgrade to testing at all |
| 14:19.15 | wols | there is only one special realtek chip which needs a newer kernel |
| 14:19.37 | thescrutator | wols: I've done my research, that is the one I have. |
| 14:19.48 | thescrutator | wols: It needs the rtl8192ce module. |
| 14:19.50 | wols | thescrutator: pci id please |
| 14:20.01 | namtorba | lspci -nn |
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| 14:20.31 | thescrutator | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01) |
| 14:20.43 | wols | PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191 is available since 2.6.38 which means a squeeze backport has it |
| 14:21.07 | thescrutator | But the latest nouveau requires functionally which is only in xorg-server 7.8 |
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| 14:21.34 | wols | well yes, no 3D acceleration in squeeze with nouveau |
| 14:21.34 | thescrutator | 1.8, rather. |
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| 14:22.10 | thescrutator | But perhaps I should wait, if I'm giong to use the binary blob anyway. |
| 14:22.28 | thescrutator | Because nouveau doesn't support hardware video decoding on my card. :( |
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| 14:24.14 | js74 | Hello all :) |
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| 14:32.25 | CraiK | hi |
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| 14:35.08 | Lekensteyn | hi CraiK |
| 14:35.08 | CraiK | j |
| 14:35.17 | CraiK | how are you? |
| 14:35.37 | Lekensteyn | wondering on the debian policy on packaging |
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| 14:54.20 | Bartzy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:56.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:56.23 | abrotman | i believe so |
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| 14:57.58 | talexb | I installed Natty and set up software RAID during installation, yet mdadm didn't get installed. I tried to get it using apt-get (over the network) and apt told me to insert a particular CD. Confused. Can't apt get the code over the network? |
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| 14:59.44 | bzed | !ubuntu |
| 14:59.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:59.49 | bzed | talexb: ^ |
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| 15:00.31 | bzed | talexb: or just use squeeze. Debian's installer works. |
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| 15:00.49 | brevit | is there any decent .pdf --> .epub converter in the repos? (please don't recommend calibre; that library management software is screwing me up) |
| 15:00.50 | talexb | bzed Thanks. squeeze? |
| 15:01.06 | bzed | talexb: The latest release from Debian, not Ubuntu. |
| 15:01.47 | talexb | Hmm .. hang on, let me look at the uname on this box .. |
| 15:02.14 | thingy | brevit: See if this list helps: http://edutechwiki.unige.ch/en/EPub#Conversion_software |
| 15:02.16 | talexb | Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-35) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 04:13:06 UTC 2011 |
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| 15:02.39 | talexb | Sorry, /proc/version .. |
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| 15:03.06 | talexb | bzed Sorry, Natty was three installations ago. Silly me. |
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| 15:03.43 | brevit | thingy: there are no pdf to epub conversion tools except calibre :( |
| 15:03.58 | brevit | thingy: I guess there aren't any. But thanks for the link |
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| 15:10.46 | kbar | hey in awesome, why are my windows not reaching the bottom of the screen? http://ngwgaming.com/kbar/awesomebottom.png |
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| 15:11.16 | talexb | Cool, found an answer to my question .. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list |
| 15:12.27 | thescrutator | kbar: For a very simple reason. |
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| 15:12.55 | thescrutator | kbar: those terms can only be a multiple of columns and rows, where those are defined by the text size of the constant width font you have chosen. |
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| 15:13.13 | thescrutator | kbar: Evidently, the total area in which the term can use is not a perfect multiple. |
| 15:13.18 | kbar | hmmm |
| 15:13.24 | abrotman | thescrutator: see the note about his wallpaper? |
| 15:13.30 | talexb | kbar I thought it was because there's a panel on your screen. |
| 15:13.47 | thescrutator | abrotman: From memory, awesome doesn't draw /anything/ in that space |
| 15:13.50 | talexb | If you right click, can you remove or hide that panel? |
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| 15:15.21 | l0x_ph1x | Where will the log file be saved with starts 2>text if I am booting from an ISO ? |
| 15:15.42 | thescrutator | l0x_ph1x: It'll be saved to 'text', I guess. |
| 15:15.52 | l0x_ph1x | in which dir ? |
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| 15:16.09 | thescrutator | l0x_ph1x: Current. |
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| 15:19.18 | shirish | ummm... probably dumb question. does anybody how to get the command name full when you know the process id and top is cutting the command name. |
| 15:19.37 | shirish | something like 14948 boinc 39 19 216m 118m 644 S 62 5.9 125:38.98 wcg_faah_autodo |
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| 15:20.08 | Rienzilla | ps ax | grep <process id>? |
| 15:20.14 | shirish | this is one of the outputs of the top command. I am interested to get info. on the process which has the PID of 14948 |
| 15:20.24 | shirish | Rienzilla: will try and let you know. |
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| 15:21.14 | shirish | Rienzilla: thanx, that one did the trick. |
| 15:21.30 | jelly-home | shirish: also, press 'c' in top |
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| 15:22.45 | thingy | brevit: Are you interested in converting lots of PDFs or just a few? If the latter, then you could use LibreOffice to import PDFs, save as RTF or Word and then use the epub tools(http://code.google.com/p/epub-tools/) to convert to epub. Its a manual process but you do have control over what your epub will turn out as since you get to tweak and configure the imported pdf in Libre office. |
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| 15:25.01 | brevit | thingy: since I am gonna convert < 10 / year, sounds reasonable. Will have a check how well that one works. Thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 15:25.31 | shirish | jelly-home: 'c' is for what change to now ? |
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| 15:25.49 | latagore | Hi, is there a way to change the error sound from a system beep to a sound on speakers? |
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| 15:26.49 | jelly-home | shirish: try it. |
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| 15:27.47 | mooglenorph | Hi. Say I want to live in debian stable 24/7, for a variety of reasons, but also want a macbook air, because it has really nice hardware. Also, I don't want to mess around with forcing everything to work. |
| 15:28.05 | mooglenorph | Is a fullscreen VM actually a solution to this? Or would performance hits be unaccaptable? |
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| 15:28.08 | talexb | So, two computers? |
| 15:28.24 | mooglenorph | All I do is edit text in emacs, and sometimes browse the web. |
| 15:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: Pay someone to install Debian on the Air? |
| 15:28.39 | jelly-home | mooglenorph: why do you need debian for that |
| 15:28.53 | mooglenorph | jelly-home: I really don't like OSX window management. |
| 15:29.29 | talexb | You ".. want a macbook air, because it has really nice hardware"? |
| 15:29.38 | talexb | is puzzled. |
| 15:29.41 | jhoepken | mooglenorph: Can't you then just install debian via usb stick on the mba? |
| 15:29.49 | mooglenorph | Keyboard, screen, build quality, weight. |
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| 15:30.05 | SkilZ | mooglenorph: Just install Debian on it! I installed Gentoo on my old G3 iBook PPC years ago |
| 15:30.10 | SkilZ | So it should be possible |
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| 15:31.07 | mooglenorph | jhoepken: I've turned up this: http://dentifrice.poivron.org/laptops/macbookair3,1/ and it looks fairly daunting. |
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| 15:31.23 | Guest86473 | sa orospu cocuklarý |
| 15:31.24 | mooglenorph | And also I think it is for the previous generation of air |
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| 15:32.53 | thescrutator | OS X window management is indeed really, seriously bad. |
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| 15:33.15 | jhoepken | mooglenorph: Well, this does not look not very straight forward/easy to apply |
| 15:33.17 | mooglenorph | I'm, unfortunately, addicted to xmonad. |
| 15:33.34 | jhoepken | and yes, it is for the previous generation. So the one, without the backlight keyboards |
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| 15:34.36 | mooglenorph | Yeah. I mean, I guess I'll just see how awful it is. One of my coworkers is getting one, and he'd let me give it a try and waste an afternoon or so. |
| 15:35.32 | raptor67682 | hello world. I have run the live-cdrom of debian live stable (live debian ISO). How can I make a clone of the /dev/sda since I that I cannot find G4L and nor clonezilla and nor GHOST FOR LINUX? |
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| 15:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | raptor67682: What do you mean you can't find them? |
| 15:36.27 | jhoepken | mooglenorph: i own the previous mba and kept osx installed, as i work 90% from the terminal anyway |
| 15:36.31 | raptor67682 | which program could I use to clone it fast this disk /dev/sda that would be in repositories? |
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| 15:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | raptor67682: Clonezilla is live CD or a PXE server, not an application. |
| 15:37.01 | jhutchins_lt | !clonezilla |
| 15:37.01 | dpkg | Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. http://www.clonezilla.org/ See also <based on Debian>. |
| 15:37.17 | Alfabet | raptor67682, dd if=/dev/sda /of=/somethingmounted/filename |
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| 15:37.32 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions partclone |
| 15:37.32 | judd | Package partclone on i386 -- sid: 0.2.22-2; wheezy: 0.2.22-2 |
| 15:37.36 | raptor67682 | thanks. so I would lik eto use debian live, and avoid "dd" which is slow over the net |
| 15:37.38 | Alfabet | I don't know if partimage is in livecd |
| 15:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions partimage |
| 15:37.57 | judd | Package partimage on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.7-1; squeeze: 0.6.8-1; sid: 0.6.8-2; wheezy: 0.6.8-2 |
| 15:37.59 | jhoepken | mooglenorph: I don't see the windows during my work, due to the fullscreen of iTerm. So if you just want to use emacs and don't want to install debian natively, then use either a vbox or leave the install as it is |
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| 15:38.22 | raptor67682 | cool |
| 15:38.36 | mooglenorph | jhoepken: fair enough. Do I need special privileges or anything to edit the debian wiki? |
| 15:38.39 | raptor67682 | many thanks. I did : apt-get install nfs-common portmap partimage |
| 15:38.55 | raptor67682 | and then I will try to mount the NFS share of the linux server |
| 15:39.12 | jhoepken | mooglenorph: don't know, sorry |
| 15:39.14 | raptor67682 | then I will try partimage to send it over the network onto the NFS disk shared. |
| 15:39.35 | raptor67682 | I hope that the partimage works fast and compress well the data ... dd is slower |
| 15:39.44 | john3voltas | greetings |
| 15:39.51 | raptor67682 | ghost for windows is faster, cuz it copies files rather than bits. |
| 15:40.06 | mooglenorph | jhoepken: Ah. Well, I'll figure that out. I'll at least write up my experience trying a native install, in case others are interested. |
| 15:40.16 | jhutchins_lt | raptor67682: So if you think it's faster, use Ghost for Windows. |
| 15:40.25 | john3voltas | my laptop has a small problem when running debian squeeze |
| 15:40.36 | john3voltas | when it's running on batteries, the cpu fan is quiet |
| 15:40.43 | john3voltas | when it's running on ac power, cpu fan blows like crazy |
| 15:40.49 | latagore | how can I change error sounds from the system beep to a speaker sound? |
| 15:40.50 | john3voltas | htop shows low cpu usage either way |
| 15:40.53 | jhoepken | mooglenorph: great! Maybe I'll give the "debain on efi hardware" thingy a shoot in some months |
| 15:41.23 | john3voltas | any idea that could help me? |
| 15:41.43 | raptor67682 | man, problem with partimage |
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| 15:42.03 | raptor67682 | partimage can only clone either SDA1, SDA3, or SDA5 and not the whole disk |
| 15:42.04 | SkilZ | How can I backup my / |
| 15:42.05 | thescrutator | john3voltas: Your cpu frequency will be lower on batteries, by teh sounds of it. |
| 15:42.14 | thescrutator | john3voltas: Additionally, there may well be changes to the GPU. |
| 15:42.18 | SkilZ | like make a ghost image of my hdd |
| 15:42.21 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> I got same issues ;) |
| 15:42.42 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> that so bad that there are not evolved backup apps for linux |
| 15:42.48 | mosno | SkilZ, clonezilla |
| 15:42.51 | thescrutator | raptor67682: We all have issues. |
| 15:42.53 | nkuttler | aaaw |
| 15:43.03 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> clonezilla or partimage is not well writen, it is mostly difficult to use , and not powerful |
| 15:43.05 | abrotman | john3voltas: is it a newer laptop ? |
| 15:43.08 | SkilZ | mosno: No in the repos |
| 15:43.18 | raptor67682 | G4l is in development and also not suited for all situations. |
| 15:43.26 | john3voltas | abrotman, not really |
| 15:43.26 | SkilZ | clonezilla is not in the squeeze repos |
| 15:43.28 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> thus there is nothing like GHOST |
| 15:43.30 | FDFlock | Hi everyone! Simple question: Can I define a fallback gateway in /etc/network/interfaces (or elsewhere)? |
| 15:43.36 | john3voltas | it's from 2007/08 |
| 15:43.36 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> that's so pitty |
| 15:43.36 | abrotman | john3voltas: do you have appropriate acpi packages installed ? |
| 15:43.51 | abrotman | FDFlock: you write a script that checks to see if the gateway is down, then switches |
| 15:43.55 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> partimage is there. you can give a try |
| 15:43.56 | john3voltas | which packages would those be, abrotman ? |
| 15:44.04 | john3voltas | i've got acpid |
| 15:44.06 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> I think that I will have to use dd and compress it |
| 15:44.17 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> well, dd is slow but works |
| 15:44.22 | abrotman | !enter |
| 15:44.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:44.26 | FDFlock | eg. 192.168.1.2 when 192.168.1.1 is down |
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| 15:44.32 | SkilZ | raptor67682: Ah okay then cheers |
| 15:44.36 | abrotman | SkilZ: did you install the system with LVM? that would make it much easier |
| 15:44.42 | FDFlock | abrotman: So, there isn't such facility ready? |
| 15:44.44 | FDFlock | hm |
| 15:44.53 | john3voltas | sorry abrotman ... |
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| 15:45.17 | SkilZ | abrotman: Can't remember, I done the standard minimal net install |
| 15:45.23 | abrotman | john3voltas: wasn't directed at you |
| 15:45.33 | SkilZ | I just want to do a system backup incase something happens |
| 15:45.40 | abrotman | FDFlock: not that i'm aware of .. you'd be looking for some sort of high availability stuff |
| 15:45.48 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> you can do on ur station mkdir /nfs ; mount -t nfs 192.168.1.2:/server/share /nfs |
| 15:45.52 | abrotman | SkilZ: that doesn't mean anything .. the minimal net install allows for LVM also |
| 15:46.03 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> and then use dd to copy the whole disk |
| 15:46.11 | abrotman | ugh |
| 15:46.17 | thescrutator | ugh. |
| 15:46.18 | SkilZ | abrotman: So is it installed by default? |
| 15:46.26 | thescrutator | raptor67682: That's a nasty as heck way to do it. |
| 15:46.36 | abrotman | SkilZ: you have to configure it |
| 15:46.40 | abrotman | it's an *awful* way to do it |
| 15:46.45 | SkilZ | Ah ok |
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| 15:47.13 | SkilZ | Ah |
| 15:47.14 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> then you copy the disk with : dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c9 > /nfs/image_eeepc_gziped_201108.gz |
| 15:47.17 | SkilZ | partimage is fine |
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| 15:47.26 | SkilZ | I can save sda1 which is / |
| 15:47.27 | raptor67682 | thescrutator> why? Not correct? please help |
| 15:47.33 | abrotman | raptor67682: please stop .. that's freaking awful |
| 15:47.55 | raptor67682 | abrotman> need your improvements input.... ;) |
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| 15:48.06 | abrotman | raptor67682: i'm trying to get you to stop .. that's the improvement |
| 15:48.22 | raptor67682 | abrotman> that's not nice |
| 15:48.29 | abrotman | SkilZ: if you had used LVM, you could do snapshots .. if you don't have much data, it might be a better way to go |
| 15:48.34 | FDFlock | what is partimage? In any case, using tar is usually a better idea than dd (unless you want to copy a Win partition or MBR table etc.) |
| 15:48.35 | abrotman | raptor67682: neither is what you're saying |
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| 15:49.45 | FDFlock | I guess I could ping one or two known websites (with a cron job) and depending on that modify the interfaces file and restart the networking service... |
| 15:49.46 | raptor67682 | abrotman> sorry. that was not my intention. Which word(s) or subject or content or said content were not nice ? my command lines? |
| 15:49.48 | FDFlock | abrotman: Is that what you have in mind? Or am I missing something more obvious? |
| 15:49.59 | SkilZ | wtf, The /dev/sda1 partition is mounted. Partition Image can't work on mounted partitions. Please unmount it before. You can do it with "unmount /" <---- I can't do that while im in X |
| 15:50.01 | abrotman | FDFlock: i don't see anything pre-packaged for your needs .. |
| 15:50.22 | abrotman | FDFlock: not saying it doesn't exist .. i just am not seeing it |
| 15:50.35 | abrotman | SkilZ: this is why LVM would be beneficial |
| 15:50.36 | FDFlock | abrotman: I see, thanks. |
| 15:50.46 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> you run a live - cd ? |
| 15:50.55 | SkilZ | no |
| 15:50.56 | abrotman | jesus .. just stop |
| 15:51.13 | FDFlock | SkilZ: What is sda1? / ? /home ? something else ? |
| 15:51.14 | abrotman | SkilZ: with LVM, you can take a live snapshot of your filesystems |
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| 15:51.48 | raptor67682 | SkilZ> I downloaed live cd hybrid ISO, then burnt it onto a cd, and then with my above commands (which could be awful as PRO said) I can backup the disk. You may find help here: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/backup_restore |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | SkilZ: otherwise, you're going to end up having to use something like tar or dump or something to "backup" a mounted filesystem |
| 15:52.18 | thescrutator | raptor67682: Basically, *any other* backup method would be nicer than dd. |
| 15:52.27 | abrotman | SkilZ: does the system need to stay running while the backup is performed? |
| 15:52.38 | thescrutator | raptor67682: Heck, running 'tar' over the whole filesystem tree would be nicer. |
| 15:52.44 | thescrutator | raptor67682: Although that has issues, too. |
| 15:52.54 | Charybdis | thescrutator: ??? Whatev. dd is awesome, and it's product is universal. |
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| 15:53.04 | SkilZ | abrotman: Yeah well it's my only computer and im using it now |
| 15:53.08 | raptor67682 | thescrutator> "Basically, *any other* backup method would be nicer than dd." really? really? - man, you teach me something... I saw there here: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/backup_restore |
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| 15:53.23 | raptor67682 | thescrutator> but why actually? |
| 15:53.30 | SkilZ | abrotman: I run xorg, fluxbox, listen to music and surf the web ect so its pretty important |
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| 15:53.53 | thescrutator | raptor67682: Why do you want a bit-perfect copy of the entire hard drive, when you only care about the data? |
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| 15:54.01 | abrotman | raptor67682: it's a *live* filesystem .. when he starts the dd on 1TB, the system could be vastly different when it completes |
| 15:54.11 | raptor67682 | thescrutator> I do agree. bit is not important |
| 15:54.16 | thescrutator | raptor67682: Not to mention, it's much harder to restore it, and the filesystem has to be unmounted. |
| 15:54.23 | FDFlock | dd is awesome indeed (and has many, many uses), but not when it comes to backing up Linux partitions. |
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| 15:54.46 | thescrutator | FDFlock: Indeed. I used dd the other day to create a USB installation image from an iso image. |
| 15:54.59 | thescrutator | FDFlock: Worked nicely except that I had 2.1MB throughput. :( |
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| 15:55.26 | raptor67682 | thescrutator> well, with a pendrive, with DEBIAN LIVE it is fine, and goes pretty well to mount the NFS share and unpack on the non-mounted /dev/sda. However I agree dd bit copy is slow, and ghost like solution is faster. but reliable? |
| 15:55.36 | Charybdis | For more functionality, I use dcfldd instead. |
| 15:55.43 | abrotman | raptor67682: are you even paying attention? he wants the system to *stay* running |
| 15:55.49 | SkilZ | I basically just want to backup all my apps and settings ect so if I need to reinstall I can just add everything, is that possible? |
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| 15:56.00 | FDFlock | thescrutator: USB drives can be slow, but will be even slower (and suffer from severe "write amplification") when you use the default dd block size. |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | SkilZ: your user settings or system settings? |
| 15:56.11 | raptor67682 | dcfldd - enhanced version of dd for forensics and security |
| 15:56.14 | FDFlock | thescrutator: Next time try a block size of 1MB os so ;) |
| 15:56.19 | thescrutator | FDFlock: I did notice that. :) |
| 15:56.26 | thescrutator | FDFlock: But by then it was too late! |
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| 15:56.57 | raptor67682 | and well to backup a disk of 250 gb, have fun, its long with dd |
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| 15:57.21 | SkilZ | abrotman: Both if possible or if not all, then one or the other which is? |
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| 15:57.39 | raptor67682 | can dcfldd make small IMAGES of the disks? |
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| 15:57.45 | abrotman | raptor67682: seriously, be quiet |
| 15:57.48 | raptor67682 | (removing the "0" - bits) |
| 15:58.03 | FDFlock | SkilZ: Sure, what you want is easy with Debian: Use Synaptic to save a list of installed packages and tar to backup the "dotfiles" in your home dir. |
| 15:58.11 | abrotman | SkilZ: you can do both, i was just getting clarification |
| 15:58.27 | FDFlock | SkilZ: The other data (eg. movies) should be in a different partition anyway |
| 15:58.38 | abrotman | SkilZ: it would seem tar or dump are your best options .. probably depends what you're backing up to .. there are other tools to manage backups also |
| 15:58.39 | FDFlock | so they won't be affected |
| 15:59.00 | abrotman | SkilZ: but it will not be an "image" of your system |
| 15:59.07 | SkilZ | All my Music, Movies, Porn ect is in /home/skilz/ |
| 15:59.14 | FDFlock | Of course you can also save the files of /etc that you changed by hand, eg. fstab |
| 15:59.16 | raptor67682 | Bye guys (sorry being newbie). (abrotman > you arent very tolerant. Sorry that I disturbed you) |
| 15:59.17 | SkilZ | that bad? |
| 15:59.18 | abrotman | can't lose the porn! |
| 15:59.27 | SkilZ | aha |
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| 15:59.38 | thescrutator | SkilZ: You dare laugh!? |
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| 15:59.48 | abrotman | uhhuh .. only five other people told him he was giving an awful idea .. just blame me .. |
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| 16:00.01 | SkilZ | expecially when my girlfriend has just had a baby and doesnt want sex! |
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| 16:00.13 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 16:00.15 | FDFlock | LOL'ed |
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| 16:00.59 | SkilZ | abrotman: So should I make a seperate partition for Music Music ect? |
| 16:01.03 | abrotman | SkilZ: what type of device is the backup going to ? |
| 16:01.26 | SkilZ | WD Elements HDD |
| 16:01.38 | abrotman | SkilZ: no need for a separate partition .. but as i said, you won't be able to get an 'image' of your system while it's running (without LVM, unless there's another I'm not aware of) |
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| 16:01.44 | SkilZ | I'm buying one next week |
| 16:01.58 | abrotman | SkilZ: external HDD? |
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| 16:02.08 | SkilZ | yep |
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| 16:02.31 | SkilZ | 2TB |
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| 16:04.25 | abrotman | SkilZ: honestly, you'd probably do well to `apt-cache search simple backup` and look for a nice gui manager front end thingie |
| 16:04.58 | SkilZ | Whats all this about? dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: Can't extract name and version from library name `libcommon_webbrowser.so' |
| 16:05.10 | SkilZ | I keep getting these warnings, do I need to be root? |
| 16:05.26 | SkilZ | abrotman: Okay thanks |
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| 16:06.28 | thescrutator | That reminds me, I need to find myself a decent backup system. |
| 16:06.32 | abrotman | SkilZ: flipping through the luckybackup website .. seems like it might be a good fit for you |
| 16:06.42 | thescrutator | My original plan to use my USB stick isn't going to cut it - not with a transfer speed of 4MB/s |
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| 16:07.43 | abrotman | SkilZ: it's a GUI manager for rsync, a good tool for backups |
| 16:07.57 | SkilZ | abrotman: Thanks |
| 16:08.00 | FDFlock | thescrutator: I bought a USB stick years ago (4?) with a rate of ~17MB/s |
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| 16:08.10 | thescrutator | This one is an absurdely tiny one. |
| 16:08.20 | thescrutator | I should benchmark my other USB sticks. |
| 16:08.26 | FDFlock | Funnily enough, my newer one is slower |
| 16:08.40 | thescrutator | The one I'm talking about is my newest. |
| 16:08.59 | thescrutator | dd (admitably, yes, at the default block size), had a transfer rate of 2.1MB/s |
| 16:09.04 | FDFlock | newer isn't always better, it seems |
| 16:09.23 | FDFlock | Also, try finding one with SLC flash memory |
| 16:09.32 | FDFlock | faster and *way* more reliable |
| 16:09.48 | FDFlock | But USB sticks shouldn't be considered reliable anyway |
| 16:10.06 | thescrutator | If I'm going to buy something else, I'm going to buy a sata-usb2.0 converter. |
| 16:10.10 | FDFlock | (anything USB actually) |
| 16:10.19 | thescrutator | And use a 1TB drive from my old machine. |
| 16:10.26 | thescrutator | I'm upgrading to a shuttle. :) |
| 16:10.52 | FDFlock | thescrutator: Why not an e-sata bracket instead? Much better, faster and more reliable |
| 16:10.57 | FDFlock | hates USB |
| 16:11.01 | latagore | how can I change event sounds from a system beep to a sound played by speakers? |
| 16:11.16 | FDFlock | latagore: Are you using Gnome? |
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| 16:11.31 | latagore | FDFlock, I am using xfce |
| 16:11.37 | FDFlock | no idea |
| 16:11.40 | thescrutator | FDFlock: Because I don't have eSATA on my shuttle XS35GTV2. |
| 16:11.57 | latagore | FDFlock, would you know how to change it in Gnome? |
| 16:12.16 | FDFlock | latagore: Not really, but maybe someone would know :P |
| 16:12.32 | SkilZ | Is there a googleearth package already built I can download? Instead of having to build? |
| 16:12.34 | FDFlock | latagore: Really, gnome already uses sound themes instead of the beep |
| 16:12.53 | abrotman | SkilZ: kind of |
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| 16:13.00 | FDFlock | thescrutator: Is that a mini-ITX or something? |
| 16:13.03 | latagore | FDFlock, yeah, but the terminal, even in gnome, still makes a beep |
| 16:13.12 | abrotman | judd: info googleearth-package --release squeeze |
| 16:13.13 | judd | Package googleearth-package (contrib/misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth. Version: 0.6.1; Size: 11.1k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://earth.google.com |
| 16:13.18 | SkilZ | I keep geting Waring: Can't extract name and versio from library name `libfoo' ect |
| 16:13.20 | abrotman | SkilZ: note it's in 'contrib' |
| 16:13.24 | john3voltas | abrotman, i wonder what packages you were talking about. is it acpid? or others? |
| 16:13.24 | thescrutator | FDFlock: Not sure, I think it's smaller than mini-itx. |
| 16:13.58 | FDFlock | latagore: Hm, I'm not sure because I'm not using the default terminal (and I tend to disable sounds anyway) |
| 16:14.00 | SkilZ | abrotman: Thats the utility to automatically build |
| 16:14.02 | abrotman | john3voltas: i believe there are utils and scripts? |
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| 16:14.21 | jhutchins_lt | SkilZ: What is that error from? |
| 16:14.36 | thescrutator | FDFlock: It doesn't specify, but it could well be mini-itx. |
| 16:14.36 | FDFlock | thescrutator: I meant that sata can be easily converted to e-sata if your case has the space |
| 16:14.39 | john3voltas | abrotman, can you point me to an article where i can read all about it? |
| 16:14.50 | thescrutator | FDFlock: It doesn't have the space. |
| 16:14.55 | latagore | FDFlock, well, by system beep, I mean the computer motherboard speaker |
| 16:15.09 | SkilZ | jhutchins_lt: I done 'make-googleearth-package |
| 16:15.17 | FDFlock | thescrutator: too bad, e-sate is 4 times faster (at least) and generally better |
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| 16:15.42 | FDFlock | *e-sata |
| 16:16.00 | thescrutator | FDFlock: eSata would be ideal, indeed, given that it's more or less a direct connection to the controller. |
| 16:16.20 | thescrutator | I /might/ be able to hack in a second drive using the (currently unused) CD bay. |
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| 16:16.52 | SkilZ | fkn googleearth! |
| 16:16.53 | SkilZ | Google Earth has caught signal 11. |
| 16:17.04 | thescrutator | FDFlock: But I'd need to customize the cables for that. |
| 16:17.05 | SkilZ | We apologize for the inconvenience, but Google Earth has crashed. |
| 16:17.28 | SkilZ | ah |
| 16:17.31 | SkilZ | have to run as root |
| 16:17.33 | SkilZ | ? |
| 16:17.36 | SkilZ | wtf |
| 16:17.43 | SkilZ | when I sudo googleearth it works fine |
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| 16:19.12 | thescrutator | SkilZ: That you ran it as sudo at all is the wtf. |
| 16:19.30 | SkilZ | thescrutator: Well it crashes as user |
| 16:19.38 | SkilZ | says some bullshit about a bug |
| 16:19.45 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Possibly due to your automatic reaction to run programs as sudo. |
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| 16:20.11 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 16:20.20 | thescrutator | SkilZ: In linux, a program failing to run because it needs root access is almost unknown, unless it actually has a good reason for it. |
| 16:20.23 | iluminator101 | is there a way i can implement a dynamic firewall in debian, like that in fedora 15 |
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| 16:20.37 | SkilZ | thescrutator: When all else fails! Be root! |
| 16:20.48 | simonlnu | ... |
| 16:21.10 | thescrutator | This kind of crap makes me wonder if Debian should default to not setting up a root account. |
| 16:21.24 | FDFlock | SkilZ: A very bad security practice |
| 16:21.26 | thescrutator | But then, that wouldn't make a difference with respect to sudo. |
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| 16:21.41 | thescrutator | SkilZ: running it as sudo tends to stuff up your .dot files. |
| 16:21.47 | FDFlock | thescrutator: I think that ubuntu did that right |
| 16:21.51 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Because it still has the user's environment. |
| 16:21.59 | FDFlock | having the root account disabled |
| 16:21.59 | thescrutator | FDFlock: It's one of the few Good Things ubuntu did. |
| 16:22.04 | simonlnu | be in the same state as ubuntu... |
| 16:22.39 | FDFlock | thescrutator: indeed |
| 16:23.12 | rudi_s | FDFlock: What's wrong with a root account? IMHO much better than using all the time (and more secure as a user account compromise doesn't compromise the system). |
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| 16:23.28 | thescrutator | rudi_s: There's no need for it. |
| 16:23.46 | rudi_s | thescrutator: ? - always sudo? |
| 16:23.55 | thescrutator | rudi_s: Yes. |
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| 16:24.23 | rudi_s | thescrutator: Why? If I want to perform root activity I login as root and do it - no need to use the same account for root and non-root work. |
| 16:24.31 | thescrutator | Infact, it annoys me that gksu or whatever the helper for gui programs is,asks for the actual root password, I should fix that (eventually) |
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| 16:24.48 | thescrutator | rudi_s: sudo can be configured to log everything. |
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| 16:24.52 | rudi_s | (I don't use any graphical tools when working as root - just plain login.) |
| 16:25.04 | thescrutator | rudi_s: And it trains you to use root sparingly. |
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| 16:25.19 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 16:25.31 | rudi_s | thescrutator: True, if you are not careful then a root account can be dangerous. But if you know what you can do it sounds safer to me. |
| 16:25.33 | Rienzilla | Is rsyslog unable to log to older syslog servers? |
| 16:25.35 | latagore | thescrutator, bad practises come everywhere. |
| 16:25.40 | rudi_s | Always using sudo is just like using a root account .. |
| 16:25.44 | Charybdis | For security, I will only ever use su or root commands via command line. |
| 16:26.09 | Charybdis | I have no clue what GUI tools are written to perform, because I cannot see what they are doing in the background, or calling without my permission. |
| 16:26.18 | thescrutator | rudi_s: No, if a script requires root access, wouldn't it be better to only run that one line in the script with root privilages, or would you run the entire program as root? |
| 16:26.25 | iluminator101 | whats the best firewall for debian? |
| 16:26.30 | thescrutator | iluminator101: Debian. |
| 16:26.40 | thescrutator | iluminator101: Yes, that's right, the linux kernel has a firewall. |
| 16:26.44 | Charybdis | iluminator101: iptables works fine for me. |
| 16:26.45 | latagore | Charybdis, wait, how would you see what they do in command line? |
| 16:26.49 | rudi_s | thescrutator: To be honest I don't use scripts which need one line as root and not the others. |
| 16:27.02 | wols | iluminator101: there is only one packetfilter: netfilter, nothing else, but why do you need a firewall? |
| 16:27.12 | Charybdis | latagore: Because I can read the code of a CLI program easier than I can for a GUI program. |
| 16:27.15 | thescrutator | rudi_s: It's more that one line needs root, and the others don't. |
| 16:27.19 | Charybdis | Especially for scripts. |
| 16:27.20 | rudi_s | And if you perform system maintenance you need root most of the time - always using sudo doesn't feel different. |
| 16:27.27 | wols | thescrutator: use sudo on this one line if possible |
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| 16:27.42 | thescrutator | rudi_s: what wols said. |
| 16:27.43 | rudi_s | And I like the seperation, my account for normal stuff, root for system maintenance. |
| 16:27.50 | Charybdis | Remember, you can always "sudo su" if you need to run as root for a brief period of time. |
| 16:27.52 | latagore | Charybdis, I see |
| 16:27.55 | thescrutator | rudi_s: You can have that separation still. |
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| 16:28.04 | thescrutator | rudi_s: Have a 'administrator' account that can run sudo. |
| 16:28.14 | thescrutator | rudi_s: And a 'normal' account that can't. |
| 16:28.27 | rudi_s | thescrutator: Yeah, but that doesn't fell different from a root account as you'll run most commands with sudo anyway. |
| 16:28.46 | Charybdis | Also, don't make the mistake of not requiring a password to initiate sudo. I know it's a pain, but for security, it matters. |
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| 16:28.55 | thescrutator | rudi_s: You could only allow one particular user to run a particular program as root, and you wouldn't need to give them the root password. |
| 16:29.00 | thescrutator | Charybdis: Oh, absolutely. |
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| 16:29.13 | SkilZ | ah f it, Im just downloading the binary from earth.google.com |
| 16:29.15 | thescrutator | Charybdis: But by the same point, it's great that all sudo users don't need to use the same password. |
| 16:29.23 | rudi_s | thescrutator: True, that's one good usage of sudo - but that's different from the always use sudo - root debate. |
| 16:29.25 | Charybdis | Indeed. |
| 16:29.52 | Charybdis | I have gotten to the point where we disable logging in as root on all of our servers. |
| 16:29.59 | Charybdis | It's just not worth the risk. |
| 16:30.21 | thescrutator | Charybdis: The risk could be justified if allowing root logins had value. |
| 16:30.41 | Charybdis | Add to that ssh keys and very secure passwords (at least 25 character mixed case/alpha numeric and special character), and you should be safe. |
| 16:31.01 | thescrutator | I don't like long 'very secure' passwords. |
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| 16:31.08 | SkilZ | Charybdis: I don't understand login as root and su accomplish the same things do they not? |
| 16:31.19 | thescrutator | SkilZ: More or less, yes. |
| 16:31.25 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Which is why we're proposing sudo. |
| 16:31.36 | Charybdis | SkilZ: Yes and no. You can actually configure it so some commands cannot be run by using sudo. |
| 16:31.39 | SkilZ | so whats wrong with using root? |
| 16:31.47 | SkilZ | ah ok |
| 16:31.53 | Charybdis | Just because you can't log in directly via ssh as root, doesn't mean you can't log in to root once you are logged in. |
| 16:32.01 | thescrutator | And sudo uses the user's password (by default) |
| 16:32.13 | abrotman | john3voltas: did you find anything ? |
| 16:32.32 | john3voltas | abrotman, no, not really |
| 16:32.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell john3voltas about acpi |
| 16:33.13 | FDFlock | rudi_s: Nothing's wrong with a root account, but having it disabled and using sudo (1) teaches good practices and (2) is not bad, because if the user account is compromised (nearly impossible) then in a single-user (home) system you lose what's important anyway |
| 16:33.42 | wols | john3voltas: what laptop is it? |
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| 16:34.16 | SkilZ | So just hypertheticly, If someones user account is hacked which is in the sudors file and (the password is obtained) then that person has pretty much root access of the system. As appose to no sudo and having to figure out the root password |
| 16:34.20 | john3voltas | wols, it's a compaq nx6310 |
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| 16:34.28 | SkilZ | Seems more secure not to use sudo and use root to me |
| 16:34.28 | abrotman | SkilZ: depends how you configure sudo |
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| 16:34.50 | Charybdis | SkilZ: abrotman is correct. |
| 16:34.51 | SkilZ | like if someone gets in and does a 'sudo rm -rf /' |
| 16:34.56 | SkilZ | Okie dokie |
| 16:34.57 | FDFlock | SkilZ: yes, but an attacker learning your password is nearly impossible |
| 16:34.58 | Charybdis | As I said, you can configure sudo not to allow some commands. |
| 16:35.03 | abrotman | SkilZ: that said .. if there's a local root exploit .. sudo won't matter |
| 16:35.08 | FDFlock | SkilZ: "social engineering" is the only way |
| 16:35.10 | rudi_s | FDFlock: I'm still not convinced that it teaches good practice - in fact I think it's worse as it mixes normal usage and maintenance. |
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| 16:35.24 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Also, nothing says that you won't have an 'administrative' user who does have sudo access, and an 'ordinary' user who does not. |
| 16:35.25 | Charybdis | The very first thing I do when I install linux, is to remove sshd. I don't ever ssh into my own system. |
| 16:35.28 | Charybdis | I also don't need FTP. |
| 16:35.33 | abrotman | not true at all .. |
| 16:35.39 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Which is still much better than having that administrative user use root all the time. |
| 16:35.44 | abrotman | FDFlock: if you ssh from a compromised machine ... |
| 16:35.49 | Charybdis | And I only allow access to apache from localhost. |
| 16:35.58 | roe | what is a good tool for redacting parts of a pdf? |
| 16:35.59 | FDFlock | rudi_s: eg. it permits doing "cat /etc/sensitive-file | $editor" in bash |
| 16:36.07 | abrotman | roe: doing what? |
| 16:36.10 | thescrutator | roe: print, a good sharpie, and scan. |
| 16:36.17 | FDFlock | rudi_s: so editor can only read sensitivve-file |
| 16:36.32 | roe | abrotman, to black out certain parts of a document |
| 16:36.41 | abrotman | !pdfedit |
| 16:36.41 | rudi_s | FDFlock: $editor --readonly sensitive-file is not enough? |
| 16:36.43 | thescrutator | roe: Use a black and white scanner, even. |
| 16:36.45 | abrotman | ugh .. |
| 16:36.48 | abrotman | thescrutator: stop |
| 16:36.54 | abrotman | judd: info pdfedit --release squeeze |
| 16:36.54 | rudi_s | Sure you need to trust your editor, but you need that anyway. |
| 16:36.55 | thescrutator | abrotman: Just being paranoid! |
| 16:36.56 | judd | Package pdfedit (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Editor for manipulating PDF documents. Version: 0.4.5-1; Size: 2065.8k; Installed: 7036k; Homepage: http://pdfedit.petricek.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pdfedit |
| 16:36.59 | FDFlock | rudi_s: sorry, I meant "sudo cat /etc/sensitive-file | $editor" |
| 16:37.15 | roe | abrotman, thanks |
| 16:37.18 | FDFlock | So only the first command is run with priviledges |
| 16:37.18 | thescrutator | abrotman: It's amazing how many people think that drawing a black box over something will redact something. |
| 16:37.33 | abrotman | thescrutator: he asked .. |
| 16:37.48 | abrotman | at least i didn't tell him to use dd ? |
| 16:37.50 | rudi_s | FDFlock: I know. But I don't think that an editor is such a security risk (I know there were vulnerabilities ..) |
| 16:38.10 | thescrutator | abrotman: At least I didnt' say to take a photo of it on a wooden table ? :) |
| 16:38.15 | FDFlock | rudi_s: It was a (rather unforunate) example :P |
| 16:38.22 | FDFlock | *rt |
| 16:38.27 | SkilZ | "sudo cat /etc/sensitive-file | $editor" <---- whats that? |
| 16:38.49 | thescrutator | Emacs and surely vim both contain support for encrypted files. |
| 16:39.01 | thescrutator | But there's always openssl |
| 16:39.04 | rudi_s | FDFlock: If I need to I could run the $editor with sudo as non root user ;-) |
| 16:39.31 | SkilZ | whats that command for? |
| 16:39.33 | SkilZ | I use nano |
| 16:39.36 | FDFlock | rudi_s: Bbut the file won't be read-only :P |
| 16:39.41 | thescrutator | rudi_s: That would run 'cat' with root privilages. |
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| 16:39.51 | rudi_s | thescrutator: Yes, and that's wrong? |
| 16:39.58 | FDFlock | SkilZ: it was more like pseudo-code, I doubt that it would work as-is |
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| 16:40.10 | rudi_s | But I don't want to argue here, if you use sudo that's fine with me, I just don't think it's the best thing to do. |
| 16:40.16 | thescrutator | rudi_s: Then send the output to $editor which is defined in the user's environment, and run it using the user's (not root's) privilages. |
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| 16:40.40 | abrotman | readlink -f /usr/bin/editor |
| 16:40.49 | rudi_s | thescrutator: I know, just modfied FDFlock's example a little. |
| 16:41.09 | thescrutator | Ah, cool. |
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| 16:42.01 | SkilZ | Setting up lsb-core (3.2-23.2squeeze1) ... |
| 16:42.02 | SkilZ | dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead. |
| 16:42.03 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, SkilZ |
| 16:42.09 | SkilZ | ? |
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| 16:42.19 | mjt | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 16:42.20 | dpkg | no, stupid mjt |
| 16:42.29 | SkilZ | How do I fix that? |
| 16:42.37 | kitsune | Hi, I'm trying to configure my sendmail, and I've been googling and searching, but I can't find the configuration file. Anybody know where it is? The mail files are in /var/mail, but I saw no sendmail.mc anywhere, from /etc to /usr/sbin to /var... |
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| 16:42.45 | mjt | SkilZ: fix what? the warning? |
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| 16:43.17 | SkilZ | yeah |
| 16:43.44 | abrotman | SkilZ: you don't, the maintainer does |
| 16:43.46 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Worry about fixing the damage caused by running google earth as root first. |
| 16:43.50 | mjt | do as dpkg says in the package maint scripts of the package in question? |
| 16:43.50 | SkilZ | Ah |
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| 16:44.20 | SkilZ | thescrutator: What damage? |
| 16:44.22 | thescrutator | SkilZ: There is a big difference between warnings and errors. |
| 16:44.48 | thescrutator | SkilZ: As for the damage, running a GUI task as root using sudo can result in root-owned files in your home directory. |
| 16:44.53 | SkilZ | This version of Google Earth requires LSB 4.0 support which you |
| 16:44.54 | thescrutator | Or anything else. |
| 16:44.55 | SkilZ | do not seem to have |
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| 16:45.09 | SkilZ | I already done 'apt-get install lsb' Why is it not working? |
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| 16:46.04 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Do you have LSB 4.0? |
| 16:46.07 | Quibus | hi all |
| 16:46.19 | Quibus | The fact that a package FTBFS due to a bug in gcc, is that a reason to remove it from testing? |
| 16:46.28 | SkilZ | thescrutator: Obviously not, How do I install that? |
| 16:46.29 | Quibus | (for one particular arch) |
| 16:46.44 | FDFlock | SkilZ: Did you install g-earth by running "make install" or something similar? If yes, you should have used chackinstall instead (not that it would solve your problems, but it would result in a more correct isntallation) |
| 16:46.46 | thescrutator | SkilZ: It's not in debian stable. |
| 16:47.11 | FDFlock | SkilZ: *checkinstall |
| 16:47.14 | SkilZ | FDFlock: I downloaded googleearth.bin from the earth.google.com site |
| 16:48.05 | FDFlock | SkilZ: In any case, installing things outside of the package manager is a Bad Idea⢠|
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| 16:48.42 | SkilZ | Well the debian googleearth-package is being a slut and only runs as root so I have no other choice |
| 16:48.45 | Charybdis | Wow, it's almost noon. It's 2 hours past my bedtime. Have fun you all. |
| 16:48.54 | FDFlock | SkilZ: understandable |
| 16:49.00 | thescrutator | SkilZ: I suspect you're very wrong abotu it needing root. |
| 16:49.06 | ompaul | SkilZ: you do have a choice, you could NOT runt it |
| 16:49.07 | Charybdis | SkilZ: If you previously ran it as root, that's why. |
| 16:49.14 | SkilZ | theres a bug |
| 16:49.24 | SkilZ | Ill pastebin the report |
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| 16:49.25 | Charybdis | SkilZ: If it installed files in your home directory, you cannot run it as your user. |
| 16:50.09 | Charybdis | SkilZ: I'd suggest running: chown -R yourusername:yourgroupname /home/YOURUSERNAME or ~/* ~/.* |
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| 16:50.17 | FDFlock | SkilZ: If you have run it as root there might be root-owned files in your home dir, that should be deleted (or have their ownership changed) before running g-earth as a non-priviledged user |
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| 16:50.36 | FDFlock | Basically what Charybdis said ;) |
| 16:50.46 | Charybdis | LOL. |
| 16:50.56 | thescrutator | downloads and prepares to install google earth just to prove SkilZ wrong. |
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| 16:51.18 | Charybdis | Oops, use: sudo chown -R yourusername:yourgroupname ~/* ~/.* |
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| 16:51.30 | SkilZ | http://paste.debian.net/126845 |
| 16:51.35 | mjt | Charybdis: ~/.* is.. interesting |
| 16:51.42 | mjt | Charybdis: note it includes ~/.. too |
| 16:51.49 | Charybdis | mjt: it's necessary. |
| 16:51.54 | simonlnu | i run it as my user.. works fine. when i accidently ran it as root, running it as my user failed |
| 16:51.56 | Charybdis | So? If it's a single user machine. |
| 16:51.58 | SkilZ | It starts up, but when I click yes or no to use OpenGL it crashes |
| 16:52.06 | Charybdis | I always chown /home to my username:group. |
| 16:52.14 | FDFlock | Charybdis: You can also use "chown -cR yourusername: ~/{,.}*" I think ;-) |
| 16:52.28 | Charybdis | Yeah, you could do that too. |
| 16:52.33 | mjt | Charybdis: so just do chown youruser -R / |
| 16:52.37 | Charybdis | I don't assume peoples understanding of special characters. |
| 16:52.48 | Charybdis | I would also do the group. |
| 16:52.54 | mjt | I just pointed out a possible problem, if it is not problem for you, fine. |
| 16:53.00 | Charybdis | I don't like having messy permissions laying about. |
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| 16:53.06 | simonlnu | you can do theuser: doing that assumes the user's default group |
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| 16:53.15 | Charybdis | Wait... |
| 16:53.17 | FDFlock | yes, I meant you can omit the group by using ":" |
| 16:53.22 | SkilZ | But if I ran it as root it runs fine whats going on here? |
| 16:53.25 | Charybdis | mjt: Did you just suggest changing /? |
| 16:53.25 | FDFlock | what simonlnu said ;) |
| 16:53.27 | Charybdis | NEVER! |
| 16:53.32 | SkilZ | Please check out: http://paste.debian.net/126845 |
| 16:53.34 | simonlnu | (a little shortbcut ;) |
| 16:53.40 | simonlnu | shortcut* |
| 16:53.42 | thescrutator | Charybdis: mjt did. I suggest we revoke his #debian membership. |
| 16:53.47 | Charybdis | LOL. |
| 16:53.51 | Charybdis | Talk about dangerous. |
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| 16:54.00 | mjt | Charybdis: i just continued your reasonings |
| 16:54.19 | Charybdis | mjt: If I'm the only user on my system, and I have no other logins that use /home, I chown /home to my own. |
| 16:54.30 | Charybdis | I often create other directories within /home. |
| 16:54.43 | simonlnu | no, don't omit the colon, then it only changes the user aspect, as expected |
| 16:55.00 | Charybdis | By doing /, you are also doing /var /etc and other important directories that NEED secured to root only. |
| 16:55.06 | simonlnu | this is assuming you want to change both |
| 16:55.09 | jpinx | somebody please remind me of what I have to install/configure to make a mounted ntfs partition writeable? |
| 16:55.22 | Charybdis | jpinx: ntfs-3g |
| 16:55.25 | simonlnu | !ntfsrw |
| 16:55.25 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 16:55.32 | mjt | Charybdis: yet again, if it is fine for you it does not mean it is fine for anyone else. I pointed out a possible problem in _your_ suggestion |
| 16:56.04 | Charybdis | mjt: No you didn't. You are totally missing what I said. I said I am the ONLY user on the system. If I weren't, obviously that wouldn't be the best approach. |
| 16:56.06 | jpinx | Charybdis: simonlnu thanks :) |
| 16:56.08 | Charybdis | Don't read stuff into what I am saying. |
| 16:56.13 | FDFlock | dpkg: you are awesome |
| 16:56.13 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 16:56.18 | Charybdis | jpinx: NP. :) |
| 16:56.49 | mjt | Charybdis: so don't suggest doing wrong things |
| 16:56.54 | Charybdis | ??? |
| 16:56.56 | Charybdis | It isn't wrong. |
| 16:57.13 | mjt | chown ~/.* to youruser is - generally - wrong |
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| 16:57.22 | abrotman | no one loves me anymore |
| 16:57.28 | mjt | heh |
| 16:57.30 | Charybdis | Generally and is are to different things. |
| 16:57.41 | mjt | sure |
| 16:57.46 | mjt | so keep it for yourself :) |
| 16:57.48 | Charybdis | Oops, two. ;) |
| 16:57.56 | Charybdis | Go take a walk. |
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| 16:58.08 | mjt | but i see it's pointless |
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| 16:58.24 | Charybdis | Sharing user experience is what this is all about. |
| 16:58.38 | FDFlock | mjt: "< mjt> Charybdis: note it includes ~/.. too" But does it really? I mean, wasn't that "fixed"? |
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| 16:58.49 | mjt | fixed? |
| 16:59.09 | FDFlock | of course it should include .., but eg. they have changed rm to exclude .. in such cases |
| 16:59.15 | abrotman | Charybdis: FWIW, some people do share some really bad "user experiences" .. and those methods shouldn't be propagated |
| 16:59.16 | FDFlock | to prevent user error |
| 16:59.22 | Charybdis | FDFlock: mjt is correct, it does inclide .., however if the user is the ONLY user on the system, then it doesn't change anything. |
| 16:59.26 | FDFlock | mjt: So maybe chown is the same? |
| 16:59.42 | Charybdis | That's all I'm saying. |
| 16:59.47 | mjt | FDFlock: no, it is not chown that excluses things in this case |
| 17:00.00 | FDFlock | Charybdis: I understand, but IMO /home should be root-owned |
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| 17:00.10 | mjt | FDFlock: it is shell who expands stuff (*) and gives it to chown |
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| 17:00.17 | Charybdis | I totally agree, in *MOST* circumstances, it should be. |
| 17:00.22 | mjt | FDFlock: you can verify it by adding 'echo' in front of chown |
| 17:00.31 | Charybdis | On my own computer, I do not keep it that way, which is why I didn't suggest /home. |
| 17:00.50 | Charybdis | Running: chown -R ~/.* does not change /home |
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| 17:00.57 | FDFlock | mjt: Yeap, I know already, but I think rm excludes .. automatically? (in the expanded line) |
| 17:01.04 | mjt | no |
| 17:01.17 | FDFlock | going to test it |
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| 17:01.19 | mjt | rm does not exclude command-line arguments |
| 17:01.33 | Charybdis | I work in computer forensics. I'd never put someone in jeopardy. |
| 17:01.40 | mjt | it does exclude _nested_ parent dirs (..) when doing recursive removal |
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| 17:02.33 | mjt | so you can actuall run `rm -r ..' -- it will complain, not exclude. Or _may_ complain - i don't know, and better not do that with anything important inside .. ;) |
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| 17:03.32 | Charybdis | mjt is quite right. Let's say you are in a self-made directory called /backup. If you run: "sudo rm -Rf .." while in /backup, you'd be screwed. |
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| 17:04.36 | Charybdis | Unlike Windows, you can delete EVERY file, including active ones, in Linux. |
| 17:05.23 | mjt | with two exceptions: you can't delete immutable files (chattr) and can't delete mountpoints |
| 17:05.54 | Charybdis | Yarp. However, by the time you realize that all you have left are those, it's too late. ;) Anything in those mounts would be gone. |
| 17:05.55 | ansgar | Or files in non-writable directories. |
| 17:06.05 | Charybdis | Well, not visible anywya. |
| 17:06.10 | FDFlock | I did a test, like this: "mkdir -p /tmp/test1/test2; touch /tmp/test1/test2/.file; rm -rv /tmp/test1/test2/.*" |
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| 17:06.14 | FDFlock | newer versions of rm will not remove the test1, test2 directories to protect the user |
| 17:06.14 | mjt | root can do that on a local machine |
| 17:06.15 | Charybdis | ansgar: Nope. |
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| 17:06.26 | FDFlock | mjt: you are right that it will complain though |
| 17:06.32 | Charybdis | ansgar: Unless they are phsyically write blocked, the -f flag will take them anyway. |
| 17:06.42 | mjt | FDFlock: heh. I told you that i don't know :) |
| 17:06.43 | ansgar | Charybdis: No. |
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| 17:07.13 | mjt | Charybdis: -f has nothing to do with that - without -f rm will try to prompt _before_ deleting |
| 17:07.32 | FDFlock | Charybdis: True; not only that, older versions of rm won't be so merciful, so it is a bad practice anyway (you never know which version might be installed) |
| 17:07.37 | mjt | well, something it does have to do there ;) |
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| 17:07.52 | Charybdis | Wrong. |
| 17:07.57 | Charybdis | mjt: Look... |
| 17:08.00 | mjt | ;) |
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| 17:08.42 | Charybdis | http://pastebin.com/9hFymyQm |
| 17:08.54 | Charybdis | When run as sudo with the -f (force) option, it will just do it. |
| 17:09.20 | mjt | Charybdis: it will just do that when run with -f |
| 17:09.31 | Charybdis | ??? |
| 17:09.33 | mjt | Charybdis: it will fail if it does not have permissions, with or without -f |
| 17:09.42 | Charybdis | No, it won't. |
| 17:09.46 | mjt | heh |
| 17:09.52 | Charybdis | Dude, if run as SUDO it will run as ordered. |
| 17:09.57 | Charybdis | I just did it as a test. |
| 17:10.11 | mjt | this is really pointless. |
| 17:10.13 | Charybdis | I created dir 11, and touched test.txt inside. I then made both mode -w, and ran it. |
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| 17:10.23 | Charybdis | Oops, help.txt. ;) |
| 17:10.23 | mjt | Charybdis: i think you should learn to listen |
| 17:10.27 | {xmb} | hai |
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| 17:10.43 | abrotman | mjt: Charybdis : or at least move it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:10.49 | abrotman | it's getting a bit long |
| 17:10.52 | mjt | yes |
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| 17:11.21 | FDFlock | Charybdis: AFAIK root can delete almost everything without confirmation, but a user cannot delete something in non-writable dir even if he is the owner |
| 17:11.25 | Charybdis | I don't understand the argument anyway. I said: "sudo rm -Rf .." |
| 17:11.31 | abrotman | mjt: Charybdis : or at least move it to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:11.33 | Charybdis | Not as a regular user. |
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| 17:13.35 | Charybdis | mjt: Just sent a PM. |
| 17:13.42 | Charybdis | I'm not trying to be argumentative. |
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| 17:13.45 | Charybdis | :) |
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| 17:15.31 | ampharos | Using squeeze backports, noticed some massived updates. I'm still on .38 BPO and an older X server (1.7) - is it safe to upgrade to .39 and 1.10 of Linux and Xorg? |
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| 17:18.07 | FDFlock | Totally off-topic (or not): I'm currently reading Linus Torvalds' opinion on Gnome 3 and find it totally hilarious (it also mirrors my own)... I love the blunt way he says things! |
| 17:18.20 | MrMind | do I need to be root when I make a bootable usb with "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" ? |
| 17:18.21 | thescrutator | The world needs more linuses. |
| 17:18.24 | Charybdis | FDFlock: I concur. He is funny to read. |
| 17:18.29 | FDFlock | MrMind: Yes |
| 17:18.32 | thescrutator | url please. |
| 17:18.48 | FDFlock | thescrutator: http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/linus-switches-to-xfce-calls-gnome-3.html |
| 17:18.51 | mjt | MrMind: actually, check permissions of that /dev/sdX - you may already have write access |
| 17:19.03 | Charybdis | I don't like Gnome3, however I won't trash it either. Evolution happens. We either adapt, or we die. |
| 17:19.15 | MrMind | mjt: okey, but it's most safe to be root? |
| 17:19.16 | mjt | MrMind: removable media devices are usually owned by a dedicated group |
| 17:19.20 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:19.47 | Charybdis | I didn't like KDE4 at first either, but I grew to like it. |
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| 17:19.58 | Charybdis | Hi, wildc4rd |
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| 17:20.07 | dym | does a sudo bla > bla spawn more than one proces? |
| 17:20.09 | mjt | MrMind: eg, group floppy can read and write them. so if you're a member of that group yoy can do that. Just try that and see if it complains :) |
| 17:20.23 | mjt | MrMind: doing stuff as root is _not_ safe because it has too much power. |
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| 17:20.53 | FDFlock | Charybdis: I've actually tried using it; At first I found it totally horrible and inconvenient; now I still think it's horrible, but not totally. Not being able to configure your fonts istotally unacceptable |
| 17:21.00 | ampharos | but he's using a SATA/SCSI/SAS/USB/OMGWTFBBQ disk |
| 17:21.08 | ampharos | floppy would allow him fdx though |
| 17:21.17 | Charybdis | FDFlock: It's in early stages. Give it time to mature before you totally judge it. |
| 17:21.21 | mjt | abrotman: all removable media is group floppy |
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| 17:21.25 | mjt | er |
| 17:21.26 | FDFlock | Charybdis: true |
| 17:21.29 | mjt | ampharos: all removable media is group floppy |
| 17:21.32 | ampharos | heh |
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| 17:21.34 | Charybdis | FDFlock: I hope that they eventually get it into a working order, until then... it's cr@p. |
| 17:21.35 | Charybdis | LOL. |
| 17:21.36 | ampharos | learn something new |
| 17:21.44 | MrMind | mjt: it worked without being root =) |
| 17:21.47 | thescrutator | MrMind: 'root' on linux has almost the power of the almighty - he can walk through any and all access controls without a blink. |
| 17:22.02 | mjt | ampharos: and usb sticks are /dev/sdX devices |
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| 17:22.16 | ampharos | I know |
| 17:22.20 | Charybdis | mjt: Aren't all drives (except CD/DVD) anymore? |
| 17:22.31 | Charybdis | For the most part. |
| 17:22.38 | MrMind | thescrutator: yep, thats true :) |
| 17:22.38 | thescrutator | Charybdis: Including cd/dvd, afaik. |
| 17:22.38 | mjt | yes |
| 17:22.40 | ampharos | no, CD drives, IDE and SATA are sdx here |
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| 17:22.43 | thescrutator | Charybdis: Depends on how they cnonect. |
| 17:22.48 | Charybdis | /dev/sr0 is what mine shows up as. |
| 17:22.50 | mjt | thescrutator: no, these are /dev/srN |
| 17:22.52 | ampharos | IDE is sd as well now |
| 17:22.58 | ampharos | Charybdis: FreeBSD? |
| 17:23.01 | Charybdis | Yeah, IDE has been for a long time. |
| 17:23.04 | Charybdis | ??? Debian. |
| 17:23.14 | thescrutator | mjt: As I said, it depends on how they connect. |
| 17:23.29 | ampharos | ide has been since .32 - I rememeber using it in backports Lenny... |
| 17:23.32 | thescrutator | mjt: Both in hardware, and in the kernel. |
| 17:23.43 | mjt | and you have an example of a real cd/dvd-rom drive working NOT as /dev/srN ? |
| 17:23.50 | ampharos | speaking of backported kernel, how is .39 for squeeze users? I'm still on .38 |
| 17:23.55 | Charybdis | I dont. |
| 17:24.09 | mjt | the prob is that these devieces need sr_mod driver, not sd_mod |
| 17:24.18 | mjt | no matter how they are connected |
| 17:24.30 | mjt | hence srN not sdX |
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| 17:25.17 | mjt | unless, ofcourse, your device expots that drive as regular disk drive, not as cd/dvd |
| 17:25.30 | mjt | but in that case you wont be able to use cdrom-specific commands |
| 17:25.33 | MrMind | hmm, does the ntp package sync the bios clock to in some way? |
| 17:25.51 | ampharos | wait, it is srx |
| 17:25.54 | mjt | MrMind: it does not, but it's done at system shutdown using hwclock |
| 17:25.59 | ampharos | It used to be sdx though for CDs here |
| 17:26.27 | ampharos | I have sr0 and sr1, magic of having two disc drives |
| 17:26.39 | MrMind | mjt: okey, sweet! thx=) |
| 17:26.40 | {xmb} | do run in verbose and debug moud |
| 17:26.53 | {xmb} | old msg |
| 17:26.55 | mjt | ampharos: There Is No Magic (tm) |
| 17:26.56 | beardy | MrMind: And hwclock can be run manually. |
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| 17:27.48 | Tux^verdreifelt | may be a stupid question but how can i change into a directory i only know a part of? ls -m1 | grep PART returns (only) the matching directory, but how can i go into it then? like, in a bash script? |
| 17:28.35 | beardy | Tux^verdreifelt: cd $(ls -m1 | grep PART) |
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| 17:28.44 | mjt | cd PART* -- assuming there's no other matches |
| 17:28.50 | FDFlock | Tux^verdreifelt: Maybe something like: "cd `ls -m1 | grep PART`" |
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| 17:29.09 | mjt | or cd *PART* |
| 17:29.15 | Tux^verdreifelt | sounds reasonable. thanks. :) (being a bit slow today) |
| 17:29.37 | FDFlock | Tux^verdreifelt: improvement: cd "`ls -m1 | grep PART`" |
| 17:29.49 | beardy | Backticks are obsolete. |
| 17:29.55 | FDFlock | But what mjt said would also be fine |
| 17:30.07 | FDFlock | beardy: I know, but still like them |
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| 17:30.15 | FDFlock | Why not use them? ;) |
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| 17:30.28 | beardy | See previous statement. |
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| 17:31.14 | FDFlock | Why obsolete? Less readable with some fonts yes, but what's wrong with them? They're going to be supported for many years (decades) to come |
| 17:31.19 | Tux^verdreifelt | maybe it is a matter of taste :P |
| 17:31.24 | beardy | Harder to read and causes confusion, that's the main reason. |
| 17:31.26 | Tux^verdreifelt | looks nerdier, probably |
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| 17:31.34 | FDFlock | Tux^verdreifelt: indeed ^^ |
| 17:32.05 | ampharos | backticks look more like a grave or something |
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| 17:32.27 | MrMind | okey, I'm thinking of installing debian without desktop environment and xbmc on top of it, so xbmc starts automaticly at boot, how can I do that? |
| 17:32.34 | FDFlock | ampharos: Are you French? :P |
| 17:32.46 | ampharos | canadian, know a little french |
| 17:32.50 | ampharos | veyr little french |
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| 17:32.59 | ampharos | parler en anglais should get me through new brunswick |
| 17:33.42 | mfpockets | Hi guys, I need help with a new debian install. I just installed configured a user, transmission and remote access with xrdp and now I cant create any more new users |
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| 17:34.22 | mfpockets | I get this error passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
| 17:34.26 | FDFlock | mfpockets: What you mean "can't"? error messages? |
| 17:34.34 | FDFlock | oh |
| 17:34.36 | Quibus | Does someone know if Julien Cristau is on IRC? |
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| 17:34.53 | th0r | Quibus: yes |
| 17:35.08 | mfpockets | I can add the user, but cannot set a password. I also cannot change any passwords on my current users (root and 1 other) |
| 17:35.26 | Quibus | th0r: how can I recognize him? :-) |
| 17:35.42 | th0r | Quibus: I don't know. But I am sure someone knows if he is online or not |
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| 17:38.23 | mfpockets | anyone know how I can fix or reinstall the underlying autentication module? I assume its PAM.... |
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| 17:47.33 | ampharos | screw it |
| 17:47.43 | ampharos | I'm gonna upgrade to 2.6.39 |
| 17:48.01 | ampharos | and hope that the new Xorg still works with my mach64 based rage pro! |
| 17:48.11 | ampharos | if not, console only life I guess |
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| 17:50.20 | mfpockets | Can someone sterr me in the right direction. I think I may need to reinstall PAM, but not sure what to reinstall. Here is the results of dpkg --get-selections |grep pam: http://pastebin.com/JfcA3uet What should I reinstall and what is proper command to force reinstall |
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| 17:51.24 | mjt | why do you think you should reinstall it? |
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| 17:52.16 | mfpockets | from what I read about the erro I posted. When I try to add a user I cannot specify a pass. When I use passwd I get passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module after it asks for my current pass |
| 17:52.52 | mfpockets | I assume pam and kerboros are the "underlying authentication modules" |
| 17:53.15 | mjt | well pam consists of a set of modules |
| 17:53.46 | mfpockets | ok, and how to I reinstall them so that they work again? or is that even a plausible solution? |
| 17:54.12 | mjt | doubtful |
| 17:54.30 | mjt | you have some configuration of modules, all in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 17:54.45 | mjt | you can inspect these using a file browser |
| 17:55.05 | mjt | check /etc/pam.d/passwd for start - since it is the one you have probs with |
| 17:55.06 | mfpockets | but I didnt change any of them... Only thing I can think of is pure-ftpd fucked things up, but I didnt mess with any conf files really |
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| 17:55.28 | mjt | in that case reinstalling _definitely_ wont help :) |
| 17:55.44 | mjt | since it will end up with the same settings |
| 17:55.49 | FDFlock | true |
| 17:55.50 | mfpockets | passwd just has 1 uncommented line. @include common-password |
| 17:55.59 | mjt | so take a look at that file |
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| 17:56.30 | FDFlock | always thought that PAM is too confusing |
| 17:56.33 | mjt | and take a look at your logs - eg /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:56.55 | mjt | pam is very simple thing, it has even almost readable config |
| 17:57.08 | lamppid | offer freeware soft convert *.html to *.chm |
| 17:57.18 | FDFlock | that "almost" is what I don't like |
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| 17:57.30 | abrotman | lamppid: do you ahve a Debian question ? |
| 17:57.48 | mjt | wrote his first pam module in about 2001... |
| 17:57.52 | lamppid | sry |
| 17:57.54 | mfpockets | not really sure what to look at. http://pastebin.com/mPbpCck9 |
| 17:58.12 | FDFlock | mjt: reminds me of the "human-readable' (not really!) XML config files of udev (was it udev? I don't remember) |
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| 17:58.55 | mjt | it wasn't udev for sure |
| 17:59.00 | mjt | udev does not talk xml |
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| 17:59.35 | FDFlock | I only remember it had to do with automounting (and the default automounting options) |
| 17:59.53 | FDFlock | oh well |
| 17:59.54 | mjt | mfpockets: so, basically, you've two auth modules configured - krb5 and unix. and apparently neither of these knows your new(?) user |
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| 18:00.47 | mfpockets | or current. I cannot even change the password of the current user logged on to the shell from ssh. If I remote vnc into the box, and click on users and groups and click add, nothing happens, and same thing for edit |
| 18:01.14 | mjt | that's different (users and groups not working) |
| 18:01.37 | mjt | mfpockets: do you actually use krb5? |
| 18:02.34 | mfpockets | I dont need to. I am farily new to linux. I reinstalled my VPS yesterday. It came with very basic debian 5 with nothing else installed. I updated sources and updated to debian 6. |
| 18:02.34 | mjt | mfpockets: also, is your user exist in /etc/shadow? (use sudo to look there, grep youruser /etc/shadow) |
| 18:02.43 | mfpockets | I just need it to have authentication of some sort. |
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| 18:04.36 | mfpockets | yes my user name is in the shadow file |
| 18:05.13 | mjt | mfpockets: just for a test, you can comment out that krb5 line in common-passwd and try changing your password. i bet it will wwork |
| 18:05.16 | mjt | work |
| 18:05.49 | mjt | if you don't need krb5 you may remove libpam-krb5 package |
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| 18:06.29 | mjt | this looks like an error of some sort, but I've no time right now to debug it. I mean, it should work with krb5 installed too, but apparently it does not. |
| 18:07.53 | mfpockets | without kerb I get diff error :( passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
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| 18:09.01 | mjt | hmm |
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| 18:09.52 | mjt | well, i can see why it can fail this way |
| 18:10.19 | mjt | just remove libpam-krb5 and see if that helps. ther are other refs to krb5 in other common-* files |
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| 18:10.47 | mjt | and really, take a look at the logs |
| 18:10.55 | mjt | /var/log/auth.log for one |
| 18:11.26 | mfpockets | ya, I was lookign in there. Couldnt see anything that stood out :( |
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| 18:12.32 | mfpockets | great, now after removing the package I get passwd: Module is unknown when typing passwd |
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| 18:31.00 | mjt | ok, what package manages /etc/pam.d/common-* files? |
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| 18:32.19 | mjt | it is pam-auth-update |
| 18:32.28 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys anyone using an usb wifi antena? |
| 18:32.44 | mjt | dpkg: tell ponyofdeath about anyone |
| 18:33.12 | Arch_ | Hello, interesting issue here...My <Super> key has stopped responding. It's very strange. Is there a way to test if the key is being pressed? Like in a method even lower than X? I tried xev and nothing happens so I want to try and figure out if maybe it's the keyboard itself. |
| 18:33.16 | chriswaterguy | I lost connection for a while after I asked a question - don't s'pose there's any way to check if anyone responded during that time? (Logs seem to be a day or so behind.) |
| 18:34.16 | mjt | mfpockets: you can also try running pam-auth-update -- it's surprizing to me that removing libpam-krb5 does not disable that module in configuration |
| 18:34.34 | mjt | Arch_: run xev program in X |
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| 18:34.47 | mjt | Arch_: ah... |
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| 18:34.53 | Arch_ | mjt: :P |
| 18:35.08 | mfpockets | mjt thanks for the help. I got frustrated and decided I think it will take me longer to figure out than to reinstall and get back to where I was |
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| 18:35.46 | mjt | Arch_: there's also dumpkeys, -- from text console, or you can build event-test program |
| 18:36.29 | mjt | Arch_: it's just device, /dev/input/* - corresponding to your keyboard, when reading that file you'll have single data structure for each event |
| 18:36.38 | latenite | Hi folks, what kind of database (format) is dpkg/apt using? |
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| 18:36.46 | regular | hello |
| 18:37.05 | regular | what is the job of the process kconservative? |
| 18:37.06 | mjt | latenite: no database, just text file - /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 18:39.30 | latenite | mjt, thanks :D is apt or aptitude using a seperate DBß if so which one? |
| 18:39.31 | Arch_ | mjt: I tried dumpkeys | grep Super and nothing comes out. I looked through the regular output and didn't see super and there are a bunch of nuls at the end |
| 18:40.01 | mjt | um, not dumpkeys |
| 18:40.12 | mjt | showkey |
| 18:40.30 | Arch_ | mjt: Ok, let me try that then :P |
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| 18:41.19 | mjt | latenite: i guess you're looking at /var/lib/apt/lists/* and /var/cache/apt/*cache.bin |
| 18:41.34 | Arch_ | mjt: Ok...no output there when I press the super keys, but other buttons do work |
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| 18:42.07 | mjt | Arch_: actually, both xev and showkey should show it if it works |
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| 18:43.28 | Arch_ | mjt: Oh wow....I just figured it out while googling (for like the 4th hour) |
| 18:43.47 | Arch_ | mjt: I have a razer lycosa. And apparently it's got a built in feature where you can disable keys |
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| 18:44.06 | Arch_ | mjt: Have to hold the razer key and press the key to disable/enable :S |
| 18:44.48 | mjt | there's one possible case when both showkey and xev wont show it: when it is not known to the kernel. But in that case, kernel most likely will tellyou so - mentioning something about unknown scancode in dmesg |
| 18:45.06 | mjt | or when the kernel has been told to ignore it |
| 18:45.15 | Arch_ | or when I disable it on the keyboard :P |
| 18:45.34 | mjt | in that case it's hardware that does not generate any events for it |
| 18:45.43 | Arch_ | yeah, I feel silly haha |
| 18:46.16 | Arch_ | but I got it to work now and learned a new thing about my keyboard - don't cover it with wires and exposed live lines |
| 18:46.25 | mjt | that happens, glad you figured it out |
| 18:46.29 | Arch_ | might activate the touch sensitive features |
| 18:46.48 | Arch_ | ok, well thanks for your help :P |
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| 18:47.11 | latenite | mjt, thank you that was very helpfull for me :D |
| 18:47.18 | homekevin | Does Debian support a system-wide Xmodmap? |
| 18:47.36 | homekevin | I don't see a placeholder anywhere, nor do I see it set up in the Xsession scripts |
| 18:47.43 | mjt | homekevin: consider xmodmap is dead |
| 18:47.48 | homekevin | Oh? |
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| 18:49.02 | homekevin | My mouse has a badly-behaved button that messes up xorg. What else can I use to disable it? |
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| 18:49.55 | homekevin | Another suggestion I've seen is xorg.conf, but I don't have one of those. |
| 18:50.09 | homekevin | I might need to add a xorg.conf soon, though. |
| 18:50.18 | pfred1 | homekevin touch xorg.conf and then you will |
| 18:50.38 | mjt | latenite: you're welcome :) |
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| 18:53.02 | treebeen | i got a slow "arp -a" here on wheezy, how can I get to the bottom of it? DNS is working great otherwise... this is the NS here |
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| 18:56.47 | homekevin | ARP and DNS are totally different levels of the network stack |
| 18:57.04 | homekevin | I'm not sure what exactly arp does that takes so long. |
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| 18:57.14 | mjt | well, arp utility tries to resolve names |
| 18:57.29 | mjt | try arp -n |
| 18:57.54 | latenite | does anyone know which datebase is used by aptitude? |
| 18:57.55 | thewanderer1 | treebeen: rDNS is being slow perhaps? |
| 18:57.56 | homekevin | arp -n is fast for me |
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| 18:58.38 | homekevin | Yeah, slow reverse DNS would be my guess |
| 18:59.26 | mjt | latenite: aptitude uses the same sources as apt |
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| 18:59.58 | mjt | latenite: and /var/cache/apt/*cache.bin are just caches of /var/lib/apt/lists/* |
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| 19:00.45 | treebeen | thewanderer1: no, it's quick too, checked that |
| 19:00.48 | latenite | mjt, so its the files in /var/lib/dpkg/status ? what type of files are these? bash-scripts? |
| 19:00.59 | treebeen | well, rebooting the router improved it quite a bit :) |
| 19:01.08 | mjt | latenite: just take a look at them |
| 19:01.33 | latenite | mjt, I just dont habe a debian on hand :( |
| 19:01.48 | homekevin | treebeen: It may be fast for entries that exist, but slow for things like private addresses. |
| 19:01.49 | pfred1 | a Debian in hand is worth two in the bush |
| 19:01.57 | simonlnu | /var/lib/dpkg/status is a file |
| 19:02.12 | latepre | i've booted debian live from an USB stick, created a partition on the same drive for the remaining space (sde2 - NTFS), but when doing mount.ntfs-3g it says device or resource busy? |
| 19:02.31 | mjt | latenite: these are just text files, looking like e-mail headers |
| 19:03.17 | latenite | mjt, thanks I get the idea. |
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| 19:05.01 | treebeen | homekevin: yeah, but can I optimize that? |
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| 19:15.48 | ampharos | I am trying to upgrade Xorg to the latest in Backports, but there are broken packages - is it safe to remove xorv-drivers-input-evdev, synpatics, and the noveau drivers? |
| 19:15.54 | ampharos | I don't have a touchpad or Nvidia GFX card. |
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| 19:20.44 | HashNuke | how do i run a script as another user? (I'm root) |
| 19:21.22 | faust1002 | HashNuke: the easiest way - log on user account |
| 19:22.47 | ampharos | grumble grumble, xorg update won't install because of breakage with input drivers and stuff |
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| 19:26.16 | simonlnu | ampharos: only one i'd be concerned about is the -evdev |
| 19:26.57 | simonlnu | ampharos: i'm wondering why bdo dinstalled (not a typo) the broken one instead of the now fixed one? |
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| 19:28.04 | Kasreyn | why is packages.debian.org so slow today? |
| 19:28.18 | ampharos | i don't know |
| 19:28.29 | ampharos | it got rid of xorg-input-kbd I think |
| 19:28.45 | ampharos | I can still type at least, but I want to get this shit fixed before I think about doing anything else |
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| 19:29.33 | ampharos | anal-rententive packaging |
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| 19:30.59 | Kasreyn | is there a command to manually download package from different repository? |
| 19:31.03 | nsadmin | blame Brandon :P |
| 19:31.14 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 19:31.19 | nsadmin | iceweasel |
| 19:31.23 | ampharos | brb |
| 19:31.39 | nsadmin | wget |
| 19:32.23 | mfpockets | can someone suggest a newb friendly ftp server that is easy to configure and lock users to a directory other than just their home dir? |
| 19:32.37 | nsadmin | a repository usually comes in the form of this thing called a "web server", so anything you can use to get from one of those is applicable here |
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| 19:32.49 | deltafoss | pureftp |
| 19:33.00 | Kasreyn | nah. more like edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change to new repository. apt-get update. apt-get -d package |
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| 19:33.10 | nsadmin | the only one I've used before is proftpd |
| 19:33.40 | nsadmin | and, I can almost guarantee you you don't want to run one where users come and put in their password |
| 19:33.54 | themill | ampharos: this is covered in the instructions on how to use these backports that was posted to the backports-users mailing list. |
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| 19:34.08 | mfpockets | nsadmin, you mean their unix pass? |
| 19:34.11 | I_Died_Once | hi, hope someone can help - i have a wireless pci card that when i go to connect to my wireless network, the kernel panics |
| 19:34.14 | treebeen | homekevin: well, i had to create a PTR also for the router, now it's ok |
| 19:34.30 | nsadmin | their ftp password, whether that's also their unix pw or not |
| 19:34.44 | I_Died_Once | rtl8185, debian squeeze.... |
| 19:34.54 | mfpockets | why wouldnt I want a password? |
| 19:35.13 | nsadmin | I_Died_Once and never completed a sentence? :) |
| 19:35.28 | I_Died_Once | heh, i guess not |
| 19:35.50 | nsadmin | come on now, help us out... |
| 19:36.25 | I_Died_Once | not sure what to do at this point, i have this wiireless card that just doesnt want to work under linux |
| 19:36.25 | ompaul | I_Died_Once: try this http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 19:36.26 | mjt | I_Died_Once: a kernel panic means a bug in kernel |
| 19:36.28 | nsadmin | I actually can't sit here right now, I have to take a shower before my gig |
| 19:36.45 | I_Died_Once | workslike a charm under windows (got a dual boot going on) |
| 19:37.03 | mjt | that debian wiki page is the first hit on google for "rtl8185 debian" |
| 19:37.14 | ompaul | mjt: correct |
| 19:37.52 | tylkas | I_Died_Once, try download driver from realtek website (8191 - all works) |
| 19:38.22 | ompaul | tylkas: why do it the way that debian does not? |
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| 19:40.29 | tylkas | ompaul, to my card were also problems, that have not yet put the driver from the official site |
| 19:40.30 | mfpockets | mjt I figured out what is causing my password issue (kinda) I wanted to configure remote access for my vps, and since I am reinstalling from scratch I set that back up. I use this command apt-get install xorg gdm gnome vnc4server |
| 19:40.30 | mfpockets | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.27 | nsadmin | passwd the unix command? or your password to log in? |
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| 19:42.41 | mjt | neither of these packages should cause passwd command to stop working |
| 19:42.41 | Stu1 | hello |
| 19:42.47 | mfpockets | passwd |
| 19:43.02 | mfpockets | mjt, I do agree with you, but I did everything from scratch |
| 19:43.13 | mfpockets | my provider provides a basic debian 5 setup |
| 19:43.14 | nsadmin | so you're saying you cannot change your password? |
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| 19:43.22 | mfpockets | nsadmin, yes. |
| 19:43.28 | mfpockets | I updated repos |
| 19:43.31 | mfpockets | updating dist |
| 19:43.44 | mfpockets | then added 2 users, and changed their passes to make sure I could. |
| 19:43.49 | mjt | nsadmin: mfpockets had a problem when `passwd' command were failing saying it the username isn't recognized by underlying module. i thought it's pam_krb5 but removing it didn't help. |
| 19:43.58 | ompaul | mfpockets: sometimes that kind of thing is not supported by vps providers in the way we would like, you might want to ask them |
| 19:43.59 | mfpockets | Then I installed transmission. |
| 19:44.01 | mjt | nsadmin: now he reinstalled his system |
| 19:44.05 | mfpockets | tested passwd and worked fine |
| 19:44.09 | faust1002 | bye |
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| 19:44.18 | mfpockets | then I installed the programs above for remote vnc access. |
| 19:44.22 | mfpockets | and poof no more passwd |
| 19:44.31 | I_Died_Once | I did everything on the wiki page and i still get a kernel panic when i try to connect |
| 19:44.35 | nsadmin | cool... hmm. kerb in use? very cool... |
| 19:44.59 | mjt | libpam_krb5 is a recommended package |
| 19:45.11 | mjt | and it has nothing to do with vps'es |
| 19:45.14 | pfred1 | I_Died_Once kernel panics are panicky |
| 19:45.22 | mfpockets | ompaul, everything I installed is working, just no more passwd |
| 19:45.37 | mfpockets | so I cannot create users or modify current passwords |
| 19:45.42 | nsadmin | I think I know what it might be: on install password set in /etc/ shadow and passwd, then when switch to kerb, user not there |
| 19:45.46 | I_Died_Once | now the system wont boot up correctly, freezes when x comes up |
| 19:45.48 | latenite | gibt es statistiken über die anzahl der in debian verfügbaren pakete? |
| 19:46.09 | pfred1 | I_Died_Once boot your backup kernel and fix it |
| 19:46.18 | I_Died_Once | i'm gonna have to turn ont he copmputer, take out the wireless card, take wlan0 out of wicd, then reboot the computer |
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| 19:46.37 | mfpockets | one of these packages installs kerb and then it stops working. xorg gdm gnome vnc4server |
| 19:46.43 | konr | How can I figure out which package contains file 'foo.c'? |
| 19:46.44 | jmarsden | latenite: http://wiki.debian.org/Statistics |
| 19:47.02 | mfpockets | mjt had me remove kerb package earlier but it still didnt fix issue. Anyone else have a suggestions? |
| 19:47.27 | mjt | it needs to be debugged properly. it smells like a real bug |
| 19:47.35 | mfpockets | konr find / -name foo.c |
| 19:47.42 | ompaul | mfpockets: as I said talk to your vps providers there may be a reason you can't upgrade |
| 19:47.49 | konr | mfpockets: not installed package, actually |
| 19:47.50 | pfred1 | konr apt-cache search foo.c |
| 19:48.10 | JohGro | konr: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=foo.c&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=amd64 |
| 19:48.20 | konr | Thanks! |
| 19:48.25 | mfpockets | ompaul, cant upgrade what? I can upgrade whatever I want, and I have and I have remote desktop through xrdp and vnc working. I have root access to the VPS. Just while installing it bricks passwd |
| 19:48.36 | JohGro | On packages.debian.org, you can search for such things. |
| 19:49.25 | latenite | JohGro, I am at that site. but I cant realy find a number |
| 19:49.36 | I_Died_Once | pfred1 do you mean 'single user mode' ? |
| 19:49.45 | JohGro | What number? |
| 19:49.53 | pfred1 | I_Died_Once about what? |
| 19:50.07 | JohGro | I see a list of packages and search paths to files named foo.c. |
| 19:50.25 | yoshio | konr: type for example 'dpkg -S /bin/ls' to find out which package the file belongs to. or install 'apt-file'. or message judd "/msg judd file foo.c" |
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| 19:50.39 | I_Died_Once | aobut the rtl8180 module panicing on me |
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| 19:52.29 | mycae | Sorry. |
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| 19:52.50 | ampharos | jesus, I can't live without Xorg, I must get these updates working. |
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| 19:53.44 | ampharos | in a worst case scenario, where I lose input if I can't upgrade, I still have rudimentary SSH over X |
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| 19:54.08 | latenite | JohGro, the number of available packages? I head something about 35000 |
| 19:54.32 | latenite | Is there a way to count them on debain ? like dpkg | wc -l |
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| 19:55.47 | pfred1 | latenite dpkg -l | wc -l = 2227 here |
| 19:55.58 | nsadmin | you mean like (all pkgs available to you) - (avail packages you installed)? |
| 19:56.23 | ampharos | CYRRILLLLLLLL! |
| 19:56.56 | nsadmin | gronk?! |
| 19:57.10 | pfred1 | no one could install every debian package because lots conflict but I wonder who holds the worlds record? |
| 19:57.40 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/ke6Tm5aW |
| 19:57.41 | nsadmin | someone with a large HD |
| 19:58.01 | ampharos | I just need to the new Xorg, my current config is a halfway house now |
| 19:58.06 | mycae | okay, can anyone tell me, why in a quilt 3.0 package, git-pbuilder tries to apply the patches twice, yet dpkg-buildpackage does not? I.e. my sponsor cannot build my packages (who uses git-pbuilder), even though dpkg-buildpackage and cowbuilder are fine? |
| 19:58.21 | ampharos | core input drivers removed yet no newer Xorg |
| 19:58.24 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/wHRjMtnh |
| 19:58.28 | pfred1 | nsadmin I'm using less than 10 GB for what I have installed |
| 19:58.57 | I_Died_Once | looks like i should be good to go, except hte kernel panics when i have wicd connect me to my network |
| 19:59.06 | nsadmin | 's installs are usually 20gb with room for abt 10 more gs |
| 19:59.14 | ampharos | mine is 6 GB |
| 19:59.18 | ampharos | like 150 MB free |
| 19:59.22 | I_Died_Once | i did download and install the realtek's drivers |
| 19:59.29 | ampharos | 10 GB HD, with Windows using the 4 GB slice |
| 19:59.41 | pfred1 | I_Died_Once why? |
| 20:00.05 | I_Died_Once | cause i need the card to work? |
| 20:00.23 | ampharos | what card? |
| 20:00.43 | I_Died_Once | 02:0b.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8185] (rev 20) |
| 20:01.04 | pfred1 | and there is no driver in the kernel for that? |
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| 20:01.32 | I_Died_Once | there is, rtl8180 |
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| 20:01.41 | I_Died_Once | but it panics the kernel |
| 20:01.43 | ampharos | what kernel ya using? |
| 20:01.48 | pfred1 | my flaptop has some intel thing in it and it just worked on a live CD no less |
| 20:02.00 | latenite | pfred1, is that not a little few? I though there were much more? |
| 20:02.03 | I_Died_Once | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 20:02.06 | ampharos | intel should work on everything |
| 20:02.13 | ampharos | sorry for the poor GMA 500 users. |
| 20:02.17 | ampharos | We knew ye well. |
| 20:02.21 | pfred1 | latenite I think that command only lists what i have installed |
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| 20:03.09 | ampharos | I_Died_Once: squeeze? |
| 20:03.13 | I_Died_Once | yes |
| 20:03.29 | ampharos | hmmmmm |
| 20:03.44 | ampharos | all I have are prism2_usb wifi devices on 2.6.38 on squeeze |
| 20:03.46 | pfred1 | well to be fair i haven't tried debian on that lappy yet just the ebil U word |
| 20:03.48 | ampharos | can't help |
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| 20:04.12 | ampharos | Urine is the word? |
| 20:04.22 | ampharos | can't see why urine stops Debian |
| 20:04.23 | latenite | pfred1, probaly. I dont hava a debain on hand. could you run a command that counts all available ones? |
| 20:04.36 | simonlnu | no, bird's the word |
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| 20:05.46 | ampharos | the word is truthiness |
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| 20:10.10 | I_Died_Once | oh how frustrating |
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| 20:10.44 | takitez | hi, does scp has an option like "cp --parents"? i haven't found anything like this in the man-page :( |
| 20:11.13 | nsadmin | takitez, what do you mean exactly |
| 20:12.31 | nsadmin | let's take it as "what do you want to copy, from what machine, from what dir, to what machine, to what dir" |
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| 20:12.50 | nsadmin | actyally |
| 20:13.09 | nsadmin | if you look at it like that, you can solve it... I'm taking a shower now :P |
| 20:13.42 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 20:13.42 | takitez | nsadmin: "cp --parents bin/file /tmp" leads to "/tmp/bin/file" . "scp bin/file host:/tmp" ends in /tmp/file (on host) |
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| 20:15.06 | takitez | nsadmin: so scp won't create dirs on target-host/path like cp does |
| 20:15.27 | I_Died_Once | ok, i *think* i might be on to something... seems the drivers i downloaded and built are r8185b while the kernel's module is rtl8180 |
| 20:15.40 | I_Died_Once | i modprobe -r rtl8180 |
| 20:15.42 | abrotman | takitez: you could do something horrible with xargs and basename perhaps ? |
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| 20:15.51 | I_Died_Once | and i modprobe r8185b |
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| 20:16.18 | I_Died_Once | i have no wlan0 |
| 20:16.20 | takitez | abrotman: so really no scp-option doing it? yes, i'll have to write something around it... |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | takitez: not that i'm aware of |
| 20:16.59 | abrotman | takitez: see if the man page contains 'basename' perhaps? |
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| 20:17.11 | I_Died_Once | how do i go from 'modprobe r8185b' to having a wlan0 ?? |
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| 20:18.12 | takitez | abrotman: scp seem to have only a few options at all, besides the ssh-options |
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| 20:18.41 | TrueDD | hey abrotman |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:22.58 | mfpockets | Hey, I installed pure-ftpd and I took a look at the conf files (not liking they are all seperated) and UnixAuthentication is set to no but I can still login with my unix credentials. Is this normal? How to I lock a user to a specific directory? I know how to lock them to home, but I want to lock them to /home/user/Downloads |
| 20:23.43 | abrotman | did you restart it after changing that? |
| 20:23.54 | mfpockets | abrotman, I didnt change it, its the default |
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| 20:26.41 | mfpockets | i see PAMAuthentication is set to yes, so I guess its authenticating the Unix users with that. |
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| 20:31.32 | yoshio | I_Died_Once, after the modprobe, do /sbin/ifconfig -a (does it appear now?) |
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| 20:32.37 | I_Died_Once | yes it is showing up |
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| 20:32.54 | I_Died_Once | though i'm still getting a kernel panic when i try to conenct |
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| 20:35.30 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/PLX8RUCm |
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| 20:37.11 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/0wbeRJzu |
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| 20:44.31 | lotus-blade | is there an easy way to set up 2 different video cards? I have an ati and a nvidia that I want to get working |
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| 20:47.36 | abrotman | to do what? |
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| 20:55.17 | troutwine | lotus-blade: Have you popped both cards in your machine and found that they don't work? |
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| 21:00.07 | mfpockets | is there a way to allow users to follow a symlink if I chroot them to their home directory for FTP? |
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| 21:06.44 | lotus-blade | troutwine both cards are instatlled and work, but x only use the nvidia on mother bord and the terminals are only working on the pci ati card |
| 21:07.30 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:12.44 | yoshio | I_Died_Once, http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x - is your card a PCMCIA card? where did you get the driver? |
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| 21:17.23 | I_Died_Once | yoshio, i've tried both the rtl8180 driver and the one available at the realtek site.... |
| 21:17.28 | I_Died_Once | its a PCI card |
| 21:18.00 | I_Died_Once | I've already scoured that site - it says nothing about what to do when the kernel panics |
| 21:18.07 | I_Died_Once | followed it to the T |
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| 21:22.05 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl8185 |
| 21:22.05 | dpkg | Realtek 802.11b/g PCI and USB wireless LAN chipsets (RTL8180L, RTL8185L, RTL8187L, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180, rtl8187 and rtl8187se/r8187se drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x . For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
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| 21:22.55 | I_Died_Once | if i only didnt get the kernel panic i would be straight |
| 21:23.42 | dvs | I_Died_Once: What kernel are you using? |
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| 21:25.10 | I_Died_Once | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 21:25.16 | I_Died_Once | squeeze |
| 21:25.39 | dvs | I_Died_Once: I'd try a backported kernel to see if it does any better. |
| 21:26.37 | I_Died_Once | which repo would you suggest enabling, dvs? |
| 21:26.50 | I_Died_Once | and which kernel in that repo would you suggest? |
| 21:26.56 | dvs | !tell I_Died_Once about backports |
| 21:27.26 | dvs | !tell I_Died_Once about debian-backports |
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| 21:33.46 | relix | hey guys, I've built a daemon that listens on a port, and when it receives a signal, it will fork, reexec itself, and pass the acceptor FD to the newly executed version, thus "upgrading" the daemon while keeping the acceptor open |
| 21:33.52 | jair | guys I have a mix of debian, ubuntu, vmware esx, windows, and I would like to share files not only through the command like but in a web, or graphical interface? should I go with a samba server? configure an NFS server or a ECM solution like alfresco? |
| 21:33.57 | relix | is there a way to check that this is actually what happens? |
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| 21:34.09 | relix | and that it doesn't close the acceptor, and then reopen it |
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| 21:34.22 | mycae | relix: netstat will let you check for a listen. wireshark will let you check IO |
| 21:35.09 | relix | mycae: how will netstat let me see if the acceptor is old or new? |
| 21:35.11 | mycae | if you slow down the FD transfer, then you should be able to see if it goes down or not, no? |
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| 21:35.40 | relix | mycae: hmm, that's true I guess |
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| 21:35.50 | smhar | I have a 230GB partition using ext3 fs, what benifits would I gain if I change it to ext4? |
| 21:36.27 | mycae | also, if you exec, you should get a new PID |
| 21:36.35 | gnz1 | depends on the distro youare running |
| 21:36.48 | gnz1 | re smhar |
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| 21:37.24 | smhar | gnz1, debian testing |
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| 21:37.39 | gnz1 | can't say from personal |
| 21:37.50 | gnz1 | but some of the distros are pushing it |
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| 21:38.07 | mycae | netstat -nlp should show you the PID of the owning process. |
| 21:38.07 | gnz1 | but it has gotten more stble lately |
| 21:38.43 | smhar | is there supposed to have size gain or speed gain? |
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| 21:39.14 | gnz1 | main point i hear is moer stable than 3 |
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| 21:39.23 | gnz1 | recovers better |
| 21:39.47 | gnz1 | others say not a real noticable difference |
| 21:40.32 | gnz1 | would likely come down to what the distro wants for default] |
| 21:40.39 | yoshio | I_Died_Once, I tried googling for "RTL8185 debian kernel panic". http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtl-wifi/forums/forum/652149/topic/1847734 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27320 -- are you using WEP or WPA? try no encryption and see if it panics then. |
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| 21:40.52 | gnz1 | sort of like the whole grub2 issue |
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| 21:50.41 | albech | trying to install user quotas on my machine, but getting this error when starting/restarting quota: http://pastebin.com/q0QtAha0 |
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| 21:54.30 | MrMind | I use debian and fluxbox with networkmanager and everytime I start the computer it asks me to unlock the wifi keyring or something, can I do so it does this automaticly instead? |
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| 22:04.19 | PerfDave | MrMind: What network manager UI do you use? |
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| 22:04.56 | exlt | wicd ftw. |
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| 22:05.16 | TimmyT | what happened to debian-multimedia? i can't open its website |
| 22:06.00 | lotus-blade | troutwine: both cards are instatlled and work, but x only use the nvidia on mother bord and the terminals are only working on the pci ati card |
| 22:06.01 | th0r | TimmyT: I just got into it |
| 22:06.48 | TimmyT | DNS problem, i've changed my ip |
| 22:07.00 | TimmyT | its ok, th0r |
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| 22:10.00 | MrMind | PerfDave: network-manager-gnome |
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| 22:14.32 | relix | hey guys, I'm having trouble with some user perms |
| 22:15.00 | relix | err, actually, just the name. I recently changed a username from "rfm" to "restfulmail", using the usermod command. I can verify in /etc/passwd that the username is changed |
| 22:15.16 | relix | now when I do (as root) ps -fA, the processes running as that user, show the user's ID instead of the user's name |
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| 22:15.46 | relix | here's how it looks: http://pastebin.com/vG0vDgUp |
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| 22:16.10 | relix | any thoughts on how I can make the username appear again? |
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| 22:19.56 | relix | found it - "If a username is longer than 8 characters, then "ps aux" will substitute the uid for username." |
| 22:20.04 | relix | thanks anyway, laters! |
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| 22:20.27 | LordAmpharos | ffuuuuuuuu |
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| 22:32.06 | albech | how do i delete quota entries to a user? |
| 22:32.37 | LordAmpharos | I'm using Squeeze backports and the Xorg update is borked - broken depdencies with Noveau, Synaptics, and input-evdev |
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| 22:33.47 | LordAmpharos | I have read about these problems, and they should have been fixed - but they're not. I'm using i686 |
| 22:37.15 | themill | LordAmpharos: did you read the posting on the backports-users mailing list about how to install the backports? |
| 22:38.16 | LordAmpharos | yes, I have |
| 22:38.56 | themill | because if you follow the instructions given there, those packages install just fine |
| 22:39.09 | bernhard2 | using exim4 with dovecot (its 80% functional).. i would like to setup virtual domains with virtual mailboxes. are there any good tutorials ? |
| 22:39.11 | LordAmpharos | in my case, I just need mach64 |
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| 22:41.52 | LordAmpharos | meanwhile, synaptic is going on a rampage saying I have broken deps |
| 22:42.28 | themill | you'll note that the instructions tell you to use apt-get not synaptic. |
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| 22:43.40 | LordAmpharos | yes, it seems to work... at least for now |
| 22:43.42 | aguitel | when i try to open kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list nothing happens |
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| 22:46.22 | LordAmpharos | wish me luck |
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| 22:48.19 | aguitel | how configure kdesudo to work in debian |
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| 22:48.49 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 22:49.04 | boudiccas | aguitel; is kate installed? |
| 22:49.50 | aguitel | boudiccas, yes |
| 22:50.16 | aguitel | boudiccas, need sudo? |
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| 22:50.39 | themill | aguitel: what happens when you run kdesu? |
| 22:50.46 | boudiccas | aguitel; then maybe the problem is kdesu, try ..... sedo kate foobar |
| 22:50.56 | boudiccas | sudo |
| 22:51.23 | aguitel | themill, command not found say |
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| 22:51.44 | themill | indeed. That's not quite "nothing happens" |
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| 22:53.55 | aguitel | boudiccas, themill ,solved ,need to add my user in /etc/sudoers |
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| 22:54.13 | themill | yes |
| 22:54.30 | boudiccas | aguitel; another happy customer :) |
| 22:54.40 | themill | !next |
| 22:54.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 22:54.46 | aguitel | themill, but only work kdesudo ,not kdesu |
| 22:54.58 | themill | aguitel: that's because there is no "kdesu". |
| 22:54.59 | aguitel | dpkg, jeje |
| 22:55.00 | dpkg | i don't know, aguitel |
| 22:55.07 | boudiccas | aguitel; why not just run it as 'sudo |
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| 22:55.25 | aguitel | boudiccas, sudo kate? |
| 22:55.31 | boudiccas | aguitel; yes |
| 22:55.40 | gparent | Hey guys, I'm wondering if these errors somewhat related to LVM are normal in my boot log: http://pastebin.com/0PMaHpAe |
| 22:55.52 | gparent | this is from /var/log/bootlog after turning bootlogd on in /etc/default/bootlogd. |
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| 22:56.15 | aguitel | boudiccas, aguitel@debian:~$ sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:56.15 | aguitel | [sudo] password for aguitel: |
| 22:56.16 | aguitel | No protocol specified |
| 22:56.16 | aguitel | kate: cannot connect to X server :0 |
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| 22:57.21 | gparent | My partitioning scheme can be found here: https://wiki.gparent.org/wiki/SOHO_Router_Setup_%28Debian_Squeeze%29#System_partitioning_scheme |
| 22:57.42 | boudiccas | aguitel; i use emacs in place of kate, btw, you shoudlnt paste so much, thast why you got kicked |
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| 23:06.17 | p_quarles | or you use kdesu to pass the permissions to the X server |
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| 23:10.29 | aguitel | boudiccas,ok |
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| 23:11.19 | gparent | Do you guys have any idea about my NFS error above? Seems weird that statd would have problem starting when I've never heard about it |
| 23:11.34 | gparent | I havn't really touched anything related to it I'm aware of |
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| 23:35.25 | jhutchins_lt | sudo runs it at as root, and as root it can't access the display. |
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| 23:35.50 | jhutchins_lt | aguitel: So what you need to do is do sudo edit /etc/apt/sourc3es.list |
| 23:36.32 | aguitel | jhutchins, ok |
| 23:36.49 | aguitel | jhutchins_lt, ok+ |
| 23:36.53 | Marian | I need to mount an encrypted partition from within the debian installer. I followed http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto , but I get http://paste.pocoo.org/show/461577/ how do I fix that? |
| 23:37.10 | gparent | oops. |
| 23:37.53 | themill | makes jhutchins_lt try that |
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| 23:41.13 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, editor in Debian. |
| 23:41.36 | jhutchins_lt | aguitel: sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:41.49 | aguitel | jhutchins_lt, ok |
| 23:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | has been through five different distros, not counting variations on redhat. |
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| 23:43.40 | jpinx | which of ddrescue or dd_rescue is the one that really "works"? |
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| 23:47.41 | me-alone | hi.. is there anyway i can install libre office on squeeze machine..? |
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| 23:48.18 | rudi_s | ,versions libreoffice |
| 23:48.20 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.3-4+b1; sid: 1:3.3.4-1; experimental: 1:3.4.2-2 |
| 23:48.24 | rudi_s | me-alone: ^ |
| 23:48.28 | rudi_s | Use backports. |
| 23:48.52 | smhar | bash is cool, I had a full partition, and wanted to know what is the size of each the subdirectories in without going to listing, so did a small script to do that, 5 short lines. and it is my first script :-) |
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| 23:49.18 | me-alone | rudi_s, do i need to chnge my source list |
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| 23:50.56 | rudi_s | me-alone: Yes. |
| 23:50.59 | rudi_s | !tell me-alone about backports |
| 23:51.27 | th0r | smhar: is your script anything like du? |
| 23:51.28 | rudi_s | !tell me-alone about debian-backports |
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| 23:51.49 | smhar | th0r, a du in a for loop |
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| 23:56.08 | me-alone | rudi_s, thank you for your help |
| 23:56.19 | rudi_s | np |
| 23:58.08 | Marian | I have found a udeb package with a dm-crypt.ko inside and installed it (in the installer), but it is not found with modprobe |
| 23:58.46 | simonlnu | run depmod -Aa |
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