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| 00:24.43 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:24.50 | lenswipe | how do i setup a blank password for my debian box? |
| 00:24.59 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: for what purpose? |
| 00:25.17 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, so my family can use a "guest" account |
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| 00:25.42 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, i want the guest account to have a blank password so they're not constantly phoning me while im away asking what the password is |
| 00:25.46 | lenswipe | dammit i g2g |
| 00:25.47 | lenswipe | bbl |
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| 00:33.38 | tharkun | Gentlemen is there a simple way of making all or at least some man pages be on simple txt format? |
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| 00:34.24 | gnarface | tharkun: why would you want to do that? most of them are already on google in plain text format... |
| 00:35.16 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: man -Tutf8 man; or similar |
| 00:35.18 | gnarface | tharkun: i think many of them have formatting features that translate poorly to plain text |
| 00:35.22 | tharkun | gnarface: thx i didn't know that but since this are mostly perl modules documentation that i need to read while i conmute |
| 00:35.36 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 00:36.13 | dondelelcaro | or you can man -Tps|gv -; or whatever else you want. manpages have fairly flexible output formats |
| 00:36.46 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thanks right now i am at man man to see the options available thanks for the direction |
| 00:37.11 | dondelelcaro | (it's basically what roff and groff were built for) |
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| 00:40.16 | Riviera | troff was built to justify Unix :) |
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| 00:45.47 | hotwings | since debian doesnt seem to provide /etc/system-release, is there any other 100% reliable way to identify whether a distro is debian? |
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| 00:47.32 | Riviera | No. But check "lsb_release -a" and "man lsb_release" |
| 00:49.21 | hotwings | hmm, that works.. is that command common across many distros? |
| 00:49.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | anything lsb compliant |
| 00:50.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | note that it draws its data fro a text file, so its just as (un)reliable as /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:56.38 | bmoloney | Well I found one of my issues is a bug in DASH where testing if a file is readable/writable fails (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539909). My issue with NFS errors on boot due to the nobody user being in LDAP remain, but that doesn't appear to cause any other issues. |
| 00:56.40 | streuner_ | hotwings: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 |
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| 01:01.49 | hotwings | ok, thanks Riviera and Kamping_Kaiser |
| 01:02.18 | hotwings | streuner - need something not debian-specific actually.. sorry, didnt mention that |
| 01:02.37 | streuner_ | nah, you did :-) |
| 01:02.51 | streuner_ | (but we support Debian, so i just answered it in the Debian way) |
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| 01:04.38 | streuner_ | hotwings: anyway, libc6 should tell you what you are running, no matter HOW you find out WHERE you downloaded it... |
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| 01:06.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | strings the libc.so.6 ;) |
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| 01:08.00 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. I have wasted a few days tring to get a simple small domain set up. Might someone be able to point me in a better direction than the inaccurate debian docs | broken centos packages? |
| 01:08.54 | dondelelcaro | TheRedOctober: what do you mean by "small domain set up"? |
| 01:09.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | and why are you using centos packagfes on debian? |
| 01:09.10 | bmoloney | ? |
| 01:09.22 | TheRedOctober | small domain > AD replacement for aging 03 server |
| 01:09.27 | gnarface | TheRedOctober: you really phrased that request for help sub optimally |
| 01:09.32 | TheRedOctober | centos: tried it, broken packages |
| 01:09.44 | TheRedOctober | debian wiki: go through it, problems abound |
| 01:09.55 | TheRedOctober | (centos on centos) |
| 01:10.16 | gnarface | TheRedOctober: you didn't define "small domain" for us yet. we're still trying to figure out how you failed to understand the bind9 docs |
| 01:10.20 | bmoloney | Running Active Directory on a SGI O3? |
| 01:10.44 | TheRedOctober | no, windowz |
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| 01:10.57 | bmoloney | ah windows 2003 |
| 01:11.01 | TheRedOctober | si |
| 01:11.24 | TheRedOctober | sorry, I am not making much sense to myself after this expedition down AD replacement |
| 01:12.32 | bmoloney | If there is a known bug in centos (presumably in the samba package) then you need to see if when it was fixed by samba (or if it is just a centos packaging issue) |
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| 01:13.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | and tell the centos /rhel people, as i imagine ad replaces is what they do... |
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| 01:19.30 | josh0x0 | I'm looking at 3 different packages with completely different version numbers using apt-cache showpkg, but they all have the same MD5⦠are they the same? http://pastie.org/2358715 |
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| 01:33.25 | sarafini | Can someone help me with a problem that's recently cropped up with my debian installation and apache2? It was working just fine, but now after a recent set of upgrades, apache2 won't start. It seems to have something to do with no longer being able to read environment variables that get loaded from the /etc/apache2/envvars file but I can't figure out why or what's changed. |
| 01:33.46 | harovali | I wonder if there's a way I can do a full network install of debian systems in a LAN which currently holds only old windows machines with no other media that their hard disks and their ethernet connections to a file server. |
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| 01:38.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | harovali: if you can set up a pxe boot, then yes |
| 01:38.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | harovali: or boot a minimal usb stick/cdrom if thats an option?( i suspect not) |
| 01:39.29 | gnarface | harovali: no other media as in no optical or flash drives? in that case: http://goodbye-windows.com/ (warning: not invented here) |
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| 01:39.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | josh0x0: its unlikely they are the same |
| 01:39.45 | bikcmp | hi all. does anyone know how to make sendmail use a specific IP for sending mail? |
| 01:40.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | isn't there a debian shipped win installer somewhere? |
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| 01:49.58 | freeayu | Does it need to run something on the server if want to connect by rsync on the client |
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| 01:50.09 | roniwiz | night everyone |
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| 01:58.34 | boudiccas | freeayu; i dont understand your question, what do you mean? |
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| 01:58.59 | berk | how to make info(1) fill all columns?? |
| 01:59.15 | boudiccas | berk; in what? |
| 01:59.35 | berk | the manual page |
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| 02:08.43 | lenswipe | hey guys im back |
| 02:08.46 | lenswipe | so yeah about bloank passwords |
| 02:08.49 | lenswipe | black passwords* |
| 02:08.54 | lenswipe | how do i give a user a blank password |
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| 02:09.29 | catsup | lenswipe: vipw, then change the pw field to blank, note that it won't prompt for the pw anymore, it will just login withuot prompting |
| 02:09.43 | lenswipe | catsup, that doesnt work |
| 02:09.54 | catsup | that's your pam settings probably |
| 02:10.00 | catsup | or ssh, if you're using that |
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| 02:10.03 | lenswipe | my pam settings are vanilla |
| 02:10.09 | lenswipe | it asks for a password and wont accept anything |
| 02:10.12 | catsup | are you logging in locally? |
| 02:10.24 | catsup | i think that vanilla settings need to be changed for that |
| 02:10.31 | patvan_ | anyone here successful in doing a preseed with preserving /home directory? |
| 02:10.32 | lenswipe | yes im logging in locally |
| 02:10.33 | catsup | you need nullok_secure or nullok in pam |
| 02:10.50 | lenswipe | i see |
| 02:10.54 | lenswipe | where does that go? |
| 02:10.58 | catsup | depending on whether you want to allow null passwords on insecure terminals |
| 02:11.05 | catsup | which of course, is insecure |
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| 02:11.15 | lenswipe | catatonic, its my desktop computer in my house with 2 parents - its not like its a bank teller kioskj |
| 02:11.18 | lenswipe | kiosk* |
| 02:11.27 | catsup | pam gives you a separate configuration file for each method of logging in |
| 02:11.32 | lenswipe | ...ok? |
| 02:11.41 | catsup | for example, gdm has its own configuration |
| 02:11.46 | catsup | ssh has its own configuration |
| 02:11.48 | lenswipe | ic |
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| 02:11.52 | catsup | etc. |
| 02:11.55 | lenswipe | makes sense |
| 02:11.59 | lenswipe | where are said config files |
| 02:12.06 | catsup | /etc/pam.d/ |
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| 02:12.44 | lenswipe | catsup, heres the situation, i want my family to be able to use my computer while im away for the weekend and i dont want them ringing me constantly asking for the password hence my desision to blank it |
| 02:12.52 | catsup | right |
| 02:13.00 | lenswipe | catsup, i might just go for an autologin seeing as i dont care for the idea of editing pam files |
| 02:13.00 | catsup | so you want to make sure to only allow null passwords locally |
| 02:13.12 | catsup | oh it's no big deal you just edit a line |
| 02:13.14 | lenswipe | auto login for the guest account ofc |
| 02:13.18 | catsup | i did the same thing for my family too |
| 02:13.21 | lenswipe | ok |
| 02:13.46 | catsup | common-auth:auth [success=1 default=ignore] pam_unix.so nullok_secure |
| 02:13.59 | catsup | do you have that in your common-auth ? |
| 02:14.09 | lenswipe | idk |
| 02:14.57 | lenswipe | catsup, i dont know where my common-auth is |
| 02:15.07 | catsup | in /etc/pam.d/ like i said :p |
| 02:15.40 | lenswipe | auth[success=1 default=ignore]pam_unix.so nullok_secure |
| 02:15.52 | catsup | ok. that's all you need for tty login |
| 02:15.57 | lenswipe | ok |
| 02:16.27 | catsup | what you need to do probably is edit 'gdm3' and where it says @include common-auth, delete that line, paste in the contents of common-auth, and change nullok_secure to nullok |
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| 02:16.43 | catsup | then gdm will let you log in with a nul pw |
| 02:17.20 | catsup | another completely different option is to set up the users to log in using tty, by disabling dm, and putting 'starts' in their .bash_login |
| 02:17.29 | catsup | erm, startx |
| 02:17.43 | catsup | and .bash_profile not .bash_login |
| 02:17.45 | lenswipe | catsup, btw im not using gdm3 |
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| 02:17.50 | lenswipe | can i just edit /etc/pam.d/gdm ? |
| 02:17.54 | catsup | ok, then kdm, or gdm, or whatever you're using |
| 02:18.00 | catsup | it's the same for anything |
| 02:18.06 | lenswipe | ok |
| 02:18.10 | catsup | just edit whicever service you want to configure |
| 02:18.30 | lenswipe | can i just comment out #include common-auth? |
| 02:18.36 | lenswipe | so i can undo this when i come back |
| 02:18.40 | catsup | ya |
| 02:18.44 | patvan_ | hi.. i am wondering if its possible to preserve the home directory during preseed? |
| 02:18.45 | catsup | ofc |
| 02:18.46 | lenswipe | just # ? |
| 02:19.02 | catsup | btw check out etckeeper |
| 02:19.09 | catsup | to version control your /etc |
| 02:19.14 | lenswipe | catsup, ? |
| 02:19.15 | lenswipe | ah ok |
| 02:19.19 | lenswipe | useful :) |
| 02:19.22 | catsup | version control is better than commenting shit out |
| 02:19.26 | lenswipe | indeed |
| 02:19.28 | lenswipe | never the less |
| 02:20.10 | catsup | you know what you could do actually is cp common-auth to common-auth-nullok and then you could just change which file you include |
| 02:20.29 | catsup | and then edit common-auth-nullok to change nullok_secure to nullok |
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| 02:21.49 | lenswipe | catsup, good idea |
| 02:22.01 | AngryBlackGuy | god i hope they fork gnome 2.x |
| 02:22.20 | dvs | AngryBlackGuy: Are you mad about that? ;-) |
| 02:22.27 | AngryBlackGuy | heh |
| 02:22.38 | AngryBlackGuy | one of the things |
| 02:22.57 | lenswipe | AngryBlackGuy, me too, i hate gdm3 |
| 02:23.15 | AngryBlackGuy | i dont know what the hell they were thinking |
| 02:23.26 | AngryBlackGuy | they made the workflow shittier |
| 02:23.28 | AngryBlackGuy | not better |
| 02:23.33 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 02:23.53 | catsup | yeah that happens a lot with software |
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| 02:24.02 | lenswipe | AngryBlackGuy, incorrect username or password |
| 02:24.04 | lenswipe | err |
| 02:24.05 | lenswipe | sorry |
| 02:24.06 | lenswipe | catsup, * |
| 02:24.13 | catsup | firefox 4 is a disaster for example |
| 02:24.13 | lenswipe | catsup, im doing this using xnest |
| 02:24.17 | AngryBlackGuy | tablet workflows on desktops and laptops is SHITT |
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| 02:24.39 | AngryBlackGuy | I HAVE A KEYBOARD AND MOUSE FOLKS! |
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| 02:25.13 | dvs | uses his mental interface |
| 02:25.32 | catsup | probably programmers should mostly focus on fixing bugs |
| 02:25.37 | catsup | rather than adding new features |
| 02:25.40 | catsup | but that's boring |
| 02:25.59 | AngryBlackGuy | 80% of programming is boring |
| 02:26.02 | catsup | so thhey just think up new completely unnecessary features and end up messing up the program |
| 02:26.03 | lenswipe | catsup, so like i said, im using xnest to test this and its not working - can you help? |
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| 02:26.48 | catsup | lenswipe: i think gdm itself might reject null passwords over the network, and xnest would only be able to communicate with gdm over the network |
| 02:26.49 | AngryBlackGuy | how is kde 4? |
| 02:26.54 | AngryBlackGuy | is it any better? |
| 02:26.56 | dvs | nice |
| 02:27.33 | catsup | anyway i wouldn't expect that to work necessarily, try logging in locally first |
| 02:28.10 | AngryBlackGuy | maybe kde will take the lead now |
| 02:28.25 | lenswipe | catsup, xnest works over the LAN? |
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| 02:28.44 | lenswipe | catsup, brb then |
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| 02:29.36 | catsup | well not the LAN probably, just the localhost network interface |
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| 02:30.13 | catsup | AngryBlackGuy: i thought kde had been in the lead for years :| |
| 02:30.31 | catsup | in fact i thought kde was in the lead since before gnome |
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| 02:30.41 | lenswipe | catsup, tried it, it doesnt work |
| 02:30.43 | AngryBlackGuy | catsup, nah, redhat, centos, debian, ubuntu, all gdm distros |
| 02:30.53 | AngryBlackGuy | really, only suse was the only major kde distro |
| 02:31.06 | catsup | well, popularity is one thing |
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| 02:31.24 | lenswipe | pokes catsup |
| 02:31.26 | AngryBlackGuy | is kde 4 have a crappy tablet type workflow like gnome 3? |
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| 02:31.42 | catsup | i don't really use this stuff though |
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| 02:32.26 | catsup | but webkit's success says a lot for kde, and the k office suite is afaik a lightyear ahead of gnome |
| 02:32.28 | lenswipe | catsup, |
| 02:32.30 | lenswipe | >: O |
| 02:32.44 | catsup | lenswipe: did you restart gdm? |
| 02:32.49 | lenswipe | yes |
| 02:32.52 | lenswipe | did it work? |
| 02:32.53 | lenswipe | no |
| 02:32.53 | AngryBlackGuy | whats webkit? |
| 02:33.02 | goshawk1 | AngryBlackGuy, kde4 is not quite the same, it's still a desktop centric window manager. gnome3 is more like something you would run on a netbook or something. terrible. |
| 02:33.06 | lenswipe | AngryBlackGuy, jfgi |
| 02:33.24 | AngryBlackGuy | jfgi? |
| 02:33.29 | lenswipe | just fucking google it :p |
| 02:33.34 | catsup | AngryBlackGuy: webkit is the web browser library based on konqueror that is used by google chrome and apple safari |
| 02:33.36 | AngryBlackGuy | heh i did lenswipe |
| 02:33.39 | lenswipe | and..? |
| 02:34.11 | AngryBlackGuy | lenswipe, screenshots can only tell you so much |
| 02:34.20 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 02:34.41 | Leoneof | isn't webkit is gtk? |
| 02:34.45 | catsup | it's kind of sad that nobody knows that those browsers are based on kde |
| 02:34.46 | AngryBlackGuy | goshawk1, yeah everything seems to be going to the tablet interface, even windows 8 will be like that |
| 02:35.07 | AngryBlackGuy | isnt kde gpl? |
| 02:35.10 | lenswipe | AngryBlackGuy, watcht the language please |
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| 02:35.13 | lenswipe | watch* |
| 02:35.30 | catsup | Leoneof: no |
| 02:35.32 | AngryBlackGuy | so wouldnt chrome and safari be gpl'd too |
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| 02:36.23 | catsup | AngryBlackGuy: no, because khtml was LGPL not GPL |
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| 02:42.53 | AngryBlackGuy | ah |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | AngryBlackGuy, dont want any of that kind of foulmouthedness in here ;) |
| 02:42.53 | AngryBlackGuy | heh c'mon lenswipe everyone has to use it |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | AngryBlackGuy, are we talking about the same thing? |
| 02:42.53 | AngryBlackGuy | yup |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | ok |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | ...i dont have to use it |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | i havent used windows for quite a long time |
| 02:42.53 | AngryBlackGuy | well i do |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | oh damn |
| 02:42.53 | AngryBlackGuy | 7 isnt THAT bad |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | puts a coin in the swear box and runs to wash his mouth with soap and water |
| 02:42.53 | goshawk1 | .... it isnt that good either :-) |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | goshawk1, no its not good, its fucking terrible |
| 02:42.53 | lenswipe | its like FacebookOS |
| 02:42.54 | AngryBlackGuy | whatever, computers adn OS's are just tools to me, i dont have 'loyalty" to operating systems and other inanimate things |
| 02:42.54 | lenswipe | me either, i just dont like shit software |
| 02:42.54 | goshawk1 | pets his monitor, "shhh ... dont listen to him, he didnt mean it ..." |
| 02:42.54 | AngryBlackGuy | lol its not shit dude, c'mon be honest |
| 02:42.54 | freeayu | boudiccas how to use rsync |
| 02:42.54 | AngryBlackGuy | i mainly use rhel at work |
| 02:42.54 | AngryBlackGuy | with windows7 desktops |
| 02:42.54 | AngryBlackGuy | a little centOS as well |
| 02:42.54 | goshawk1 | 7 is probably the best they've done since XP was new |
| 02:42.54 | goshawk1 | I'll admit that much |
| 02:43.52 | catsup | actually, only some of it is LGPL, some of it is BSD style license. none of it is GPL. |
| 02:43.52 | catsup | that's kind of sad too, it would have been better for free software if that was GPL'd instead |
| 02:43.53 | wols_ | then apple wouldn't have used it... they don't really touch GPL software |
| 02:43.53 | catsup | wols_: yea... so it would have been an advantage free software had over proprietary software |
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| 02:43.59 | goshawk1 | i'm more concerned when i see things like gnome3. when you have as small a market share on the desktop as linux does, you cant afford mistakes like that. |
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| 02:44.34 | AngryBlackGuy | goshawk1, yeah i dont know what the hell they were thinking, alienating their main userbase to get the grandmothers? |
| 02:45.27 | goshawk1 | AngryBlackGuy, dont get me wrong, i'm all for trying new stuff, but, not for general distribution to the whole linux community. |
| 02:45.43 | AngryBlackGuy | yeah goshawk1 |
| 02:45.46 | AngryBlackGuy | i hope they fork it |
| 02:46.22 | syntaxx | hi.. i am wondering if its possible to preserve the home directory during preseed? |
| 02:46.26 | goshawk1 | someone will, maybe it will go down in history as the "Linux Vista" and they will just for gnome2 themselves. :-) |
| 02:47.13 | goshawk1 | meant to say "just fork gnome2 themselves" |
| 02:47.16 | AngryBlackGuy | goshawk1, or maybe kde4 is the way to go now |
| 02:48.29 | goshawk1 | AngryBlackGuy, maybe, I dont know. I tried it for a few days a while back. I got disgusted by both gnome3 and kde4 and removed them, I just run enlightenment dr17 now with nothing else |
| 02:48.50 | AngryBlackGuy | what didnt you like about kde4 goshawk1 ? |
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| 02:50.13 | goshawk1 | AngryBlackGuy, to be fair, I was never much of a kde fan anyway. I was always a gnome guy. kde4 is actually really nice compared to gnome3.its just a little too "mainstream" for me. like you said, I feel like it should be running on a tablet pc |
| 02:50.57 | goshawk1 | AngryBlackGuy, I feel like both of them were designed for a market segment that I am not part of. maybe I am just getting old. ;) |
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| 02:51.17 | AngryBlackGuy | thats a shame the way the major linux desktops are going |
| 02:51.27 | AngryBlackGuy | trying to copy apple and unity |
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| 02:52.43 | goshawk1 | AngryBlackGuy, I guess it depends on how you look at it. I mean, maybe the gnome and kde guys thought that linux would be more widely accepted if it looked like the things people are actually buying |
| 02:53.03 | AngryBlackGuy | dumb |
| 02:53.11 | AngryBlackGuy | mac people arnt gonna switch to linux |
| 02:53.40 | goshawk1 | AngryBlackGuy, especially since OSX is just bsd underneath with a really slick window manager |
| 02:53.50 | Leoneof | i haven't used KDE because of bad theme. |
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| 02:55.05 | goshawk1 | when i used kde4, i found it to be unstable too. |
| 02:55.29 | goshawk1 | lots of trouble with the plasma stuff, could have been my machine I guess. |
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| 03:29.11 | kingsley_ | Oops! |
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| 03:40.24 | kingsley_ | Has a timetable been announced for the next "stable" version of Debian to be released? If so, when? |
| 03:41.08 | beardy | Haven't you been here long enough? |
| 03:41.10 | beardy | !wir |
| 03:41.10 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 03:41.22 | hitmoon | hi |
| 03:42.02 | hitmoon | I have a problem |
| 03:42.07 | hitmoon | i want to use gpg to generate a pair of key, but i dont want to answer the follow question , how can i do this? |
| 03:43.00 | hitmoon | any help? |
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| 03:45.58 | wols_ | kingsley_: realistically, late 2012, early 2013 |
| 03:46.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | hitmoon: what keys? |
| 03:46.41 | jpinx_away | might get current stable working fully before that ;) |
| 03:46.59 | hitmoon | gpg --gen-key |
| 03:47.03 | wols_ | only if you are very lucky |
| 03:47.08 | hitmoon | this command |
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| 03:51.07 | freeayu | hi, where is the cron log in debian? |
| 03:51.13 | freeayu | I can't find it in /var/log |
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| 03:55.06 | freeayu | beardy got it |
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| 04:12.27 | kingsley_ | Oops |
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| 04:24.30 | rootkitinstaller | Is there any way to find out how old my existing Debian install is? I want to make sure this install is at least older than one week... |
| 04:24.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | one week? your dpkg logs |
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| 04:28.40 | zykotick9 | rootkitinstaller, i'm impressed you at least changed Debian and Ubuntu in your identical question to two channels at the same time |
| 04:29.02 | rootkitinstaller | zykotick9, i'm crafty |
| 04:29.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | and rude |
| 04:29.32 | rootkitinstaller | Not rude at all |
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| 04:29.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | rude and argumentive |
| 04:30.05 | rootkitinstaller | i disagree with that sir |
| 04:30.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh well, one born every second |
| 04:30.19 | rootkitinstaller | how rood |
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| 06:16.43 | aminpy_ | is my security linke in sources.list correct? |
| 06:16.44 | aminpy_ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/update main |
| 06:16.45 | aminpy_ | ? |
| 06:18.44 | aminpy_ | I have this problem -> http://dpaste.com/592526/ |
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| 06:28.36 | sephii | aminpy_: Try wheezy/updates |
| 06:29.20 | aminpy_ | sephii, thanks |
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| 07:00.06 | deeLer | hi drumscum, or should i say goeiemorgen |
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| 07:06.18 | guest1120 | Hi, I used a 64-bit PC to install the debian i386 DVD .iso via Unetbootin/flash drive on a hard drive to run in an i386 PC. When I finished and booted on the 64-bit install machine, I was surprised to see the grub menu listing the kernels as amd64. Is there a way to get the installer to stick with an i386 install, even though a 64-bit proc is doing the install? |
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| 07:08.24 | yagoo | guest1120, amd64 is for 64bit (intel or amd) (but amd64 .iso cant be installed on itanium) |
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| 07:09.04 | deeLer | can someone invite me to google+ ? please pm |
| 07:09.21 | yagoo | thinks guest1120 got his wording mixed around |
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| 07:09.47 | yagoo | deeLer, google.com/linux (search linux humor) |
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| 07:11.39 | Repox | Hi. I'm hoping someone has some experience with Virtualmin? I've installed Virtualmin on my Debian Squeeze - now I'm trying to setup the proftpd server. I'm trying to accomplish, through Webmin, to restrict FTP users to their home directory - selecting through Webmin -> Servers -> Global configuration -> Files and Directories and checking off 'Home directory' makes all ftp connections start in the root directory. Any advice? |
| 07:12.48 | yagoo | Repox, maybe webmin is not setup to workth with proftpd |
| 07:13.33 | yagoo | Repox, (actually i checked online-- make sure proftpd module is loaded up with webmin) |
| 07:13.49 | babilen | guest1120: What does "dpkg --print-architecture" give you? |
| 07:13.57 | Repox | yagoo, changes in webmin for proftpd are reflected in the configuration - I'm worried that it's because I'm missing something in the configuration. |
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| 07:14.29 | yagoo | Repox, you should check the list of modules.. see if proftpd is mentioned (if it isnt then try install the proftpd module for webmin) |
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| 07:14.49 | yagoo | Repox, according to this list, it's a standard module.. http://www.webmin.com/standard.html |
| 07:15.59 | Repox | yagoo, I have it installed and I'm trying to configure it through Webmin - but my configuration doesn't work as I expect as I'm trying to restrict FTP users to their home directories; all connections start in the root directory. |
| 07:16.10 | guest1120 | babilen: I didn't check that, I'd have to reboot with the hard drive in question. I could do that if you need me to. I did check "uname -a" and got a kernel number ending in amd64. |
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| 07:17.23 | babilen | guest1120: You've either installed amd64 by mistake or selected/installed the wrong kernel. If your architecture is indeed i386, but you installed an amd64 kernel by mistake you can easily install a i386 kernel though. |
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| 07:18.01 | yagoo | Repox, dunno.. maybe you need a variable to define a default ftp home.. |
| 07:19.15 | guest1120 | babilen: Is there a way to specify 32-bit for the install, since I'm installing with a 64-bit for a 32-bit? |
| 07:19.39 | guest1120 | babilen: I think it might be trying to be "helpful". |
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| 07:20.07 | babilen | guest1120: I am typically installing in expert mode in which you are asked which kernel to install. Not sure about standard mode, but I would expect it to install a kernel matching your architecture. |
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| 07:21.31 | guest1120 | babilen: Oh, OK, expert mode will ask me? I saw "expert" but went with "default" since it was my first time with Unetbootin. |
| 07:22.30 | babilen | unetbootin is also not supported by Debian, see "/msg dpkg usb install" for information on supported methods |
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| 07:22.56 | yagoo | Repox, http://doxfer.webmin.com/Webmin/ProFTPDServer#Restricting_users_to_their_home |
| 07:24.28 | guest1120 | babilen: Is that /msg right, I didn't get a link back. Just "usb install". |
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| 07:25.38 | guest1120 | Oh, nevermnd, I see the other tab now, sorry. |
| 07:26.03 | babilen | :) |
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| 07:28.14 | yagoo | " Hi, I used a 64-bit PC to install the debian i386 DVD .iso via Unetbootin/flash drive on a hard drive to run in an i386 PC." |
| 07:28.20 | yagoo | double talk if you ask me.. :/ |
| 07:28.26 | yagoo | chokes a bit |
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| 07:31.05 | babilen | guest1120: If I understand you correctly you also installed Debian to another hdd on a box that already has Debian (amd64) installed. Is that correct? If so, are you sure that you boot from the correct harddrive and not the original (amd64) one? How and where did you install the bootloader? |
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| 07:34.51 | guest1120 | babilen: There is only one hard drive at a time connected. I prepped the flash drive, connected only the "borrowed" empty hard drive from the 32-bit system to my desktop, and booted on the flash drive. |
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| 07:36.15 | babilen | Ok, no idea. Might also be a unetbootin problem :-/ -- Would be interesting to see the "dpkg --print-architecture" output. I also do not understand why you installed from the DVD, as you can use the netinstall if you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation or CD1 if not. |
| 07:36.25 | guest1120 | yagoo: Let me try it another way. I used PC #1 (my desktop) to do an install for PC #2, which is slower and further away. Does that help? |
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| 07:36.48 | babilen | yes, I understand what you did |
| 07:36.56 | guest1120 | OK |
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| 07:37.41 | yagoo | that last Let me try, in no way makes sense.. |
| 07:37.57 | yagoo | guest1120, what's your native language? |
| 07:38.00 | guest1120 | babilen: Well, why don't I start by taking your advice on the flash drive method and the expert mode and see if that helps? |
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| 07:39.29 | yagoo | babilen, he probably kept reusing the same filesystem -- continuously swapped in/out the same drive across two machines |
| 07:39.34 | babilen | guest1120: I would first check the architecture. If it is i386 and you by mistake/error/whatever installed an amd64 kernel I would just an i386 one and be done with it. If the architecture is amd64 you have to reinstall and I would suggest to use a supported method. |
| 07:40.03 | guest1120 | babilen: OK, that sounds good. |
| 07:40.43 | babilen | yagoo: AFAIUI guest1120 removed the original hdd completely, thus leaving only the one that is meant to be used in the i386 box in the computer. |
| 07:41.03 | babilen | guest1120: "I would just install and i386 one" that is ;) |
| 07:41.12 | babilen | s/and/an -- /me gets coffee |
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| 07:41.44 | yagoo | you guys are crazy |
| 07:41.49 | guest1120 | Thanks very much for your help. I'll let you know what happened. |
| 07:42.03 | yagoo | guest1120, why not keep things simple? |
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| 07:43.26 | guest1120 | yagoo: Einstein said, "Everything should be as simple as possible. But no simpler." Thanks for your help. |
| 07:43.47 | guest1120 | I'll let you guys know how it worked out. |
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| 07:44.06 | Tordek | hi |
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| 07:45.24 | Tordek | I'm using debian testing, but a few of my packages are from experimental or unstable; how can I see which packages are from experimental/unstable? |
| 07:45.42 | yagoo | Tordek, apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 07:46.42 | Tordek | yagoo: I want to search the other way around, if that's possible |
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| 07:54.13 | babilen | !tell Tordek -about list repositories |
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| 07:54.59 | babilen | Tordek: You can also use apt-show-versions |
| 07:55.11 | aef | i'm trying to build a custom preseeded debian installer image to control the installer via ssh on a headless remote system. after building, deploying and starting the installers kernel and initram image it correctly opens a ssh daemon and when i connect debian installer tells me that there are kernel modules missing. if i choose to ignore the message and continue, the partition manager doesn't find any harddisks. the system is currently running a |
| 07:55.12 | aef | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.32 | babilen | ,versions openjdk-7-jdk |
| 07:55.34 | judd | Package openjdk-7-jdk on i386 -- experimental: 7~b147-2.0~pre2-3 |
| 07:55.41 | Tordek | found a way to do it with aptitude googling something else... that's a lot os experimental packages I have |
| 07:55.41 | babilen | bohl: ^^^^ (I wouldn't use it yet) |
| 07:56.02 | babilen | Tordek: Which query did you use? |
| 07:56.10 | Tordek | aptitude search ~S~i~Aexperimental |
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| 07:57.17 | aef | how can i determine if my found harddisks are scsi or sata without access to the hardware? |
| 07:57.28 | babilen | Tordek: That just matches packages that are installed and available in experimental |
| 07:58.17 | themill | Tordek: you'd need to ?narrow(,) in there to actually pick out packages you have installed from experimental; /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 07:58.20 | Tordek | babilen: hmm... |
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| 08:03.40 | aef | how can i find out which kernel modules are needed for sata support on my running system? |
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| 08:04.09 | obiwahn | lspci |
| 08:04.18 | Tordek | babilen/themillen, ~S is shorthand for narrow, according to http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchSection; is this not what you mean? |
| 08:04.28 | obiwahn | not sure is there is a better way |
| 08:04.48 | obiwahn | but that will give you an ideo bout the hardware you got |
| 08:04.57 | obiwahn | idea about |
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| 08:05.58 | aef | obiwahn: thx, now i know its SATA, not SCSI. but how can i find the kernel module responsible for creating the /dev/sd* devices? |
| 08:05.59 | themill | Tordek: you're right -- I never use it that way. You need to narrow against ?version(CURRRENT) not just against ?installed. |
| 08:06.18 | themill | Tordek: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?archive(experimental))' -F'%100p'» should work |
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| 08:07.13 | aef | obiwahn: these are loaded: http://pastie.org/2360029 |
| 08:07.19 | Tordek | seems to be the same list |
| 08:07.24 | aef | obiwahn: not so many, it has to be there somewhere |
| 08:07.26 | Tordek | thanks you :) |
| 08:07.29 | claw | is there a log for cronjobs ? |
| 08:07.56 | themill | Tordek: if the same version of a package exists in both experimental and in some other repository, it will show up on that list |
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| 08:08.27 | obiwahn | aef: sorry didn't compiele a kernel for 4-5 years - make sure that you have the general modules to support sata and then you need to support the ontroler on your mainboard |
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| 08:09.14 | aef | is it possible that lsmod doesnt list a SATA responsible module because it was compiled directly into the kernel? |
| 08:09.22 | obiwahn | yes |
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| 08:20.49 | yagoo | aef, dmesg |grep -i sata |
| 08:21.07 | yagoo | aef, a module can either be built to be internal or external of a kernel image |
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| 08:22.53 | aef | yagoo: but still i would like to find out which one is responsible. i get 2 lines from dmesg: http://pastie.org/2360069 |
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| 08:32.05 | superlinux | hi. where and how can I let all users change the CPU frequency settings at anytime? |
| 08:32.18 | superlinux | where should the permissions be saved? |
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| 08:32.32 | superlinux | or where they must be set? |
| 08:32.42 | yagoo | superlinux, that sure sounds smart from a security perspective.. |
| 08:33.01 | superlinux | yagoo, it's my home box |
| 08:33.12 | superlinux | yagoo, it's my home PC. my very own |
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| 08:33.34 | yagoo | cpu frequency? you kidding me? |
| 08:33.49 | yagoo | just be "nice" |
| 08:33.54 | superlinux | yes. I am always asked for the root password |
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| 08:34.36 | yagoo | superlinux, can you ask a real question? |
| 08:35.08 | superlinux | yagoo, i have cpufrequtils installed. the CPU frequency can be selected |
| 08:35.27 | superlinux | my cpu has a frequency selector |
| 08:35.50 | yagoo | so? |
| 08:36.24 | superlinux | in gnome I am always asked to enter root password to raise the frequency |
| 08:36.25 | yagoo | a regular user doesn't have to bother with it.. the freq should be autohandled by the system itself.. |
| 08:36.35 | yagoo | yeah sure.. |
| 08:37.00 | PrivateAlpha | superlinux: you like fried cpu? |
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| 08:37.13 | petern_ | it's not always handled correctly |
| 08:37.26 | petern_ | and running a cpu at its full speed shouldn't fry anything |
| 08:37.33 | superlinux | PrivateAlpha, no.. my system can afford raising the frequency |
| 08:37.46 | petern_ | (if it really over heats, the bios should protect against that) |
| 08:38.05 | superlinux | petern_, it does protect. |
| 08:38.15 | petern_ | incidentally i have 2 systems where i have to enter the root password, and 1 system where i have to enter my user's password |
| 08:38.26 | petern_ | i have no idea why or how that happened |
| 08:38.38 | yagoo | lol |
| 08:38.45 | yagoo | sounds like you two are stuck in tango |
| 08:38.59 | superlinux | just will you please get to the point? I just wanted to allow everyone to change the frequency |
| 08:39.06 | petern_ | actually i have a clue, two of them were upgraded from lenny, the other was a fresh squeeze install |
| 08:39.21 | petern_ | superlinux, i get your point, i just don't know the answer :) |
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| 08:39.38 | PrivateAlpha | lol |
| 08:39.48 | superlinux | ok. thanks. hiw about chmod +s cpufreq-set? |
| 08:39.52 | superlinux | *how |
| 08:40.17 | superlinux | i am gonna try that |
| 08:40.30 | totte | superlinux: chown or chmod might work? |
| 08:40.37 | yagoo | superlinux, why not check the manual? |
| 08:40.44 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:41.09 | yagoo | http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 08:41.23 | blue_sky | there are some html docs under /usr/share/doc, is there an easy way to make these available on local network as I don't have a GUI interface on the machine? |
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| 08:42.05 | blue_sky | I suppose, what I mean is, are they already available and I just don't know how to access them? |
| 08:42.29 | yagoo | blue_sky, no need to.. u can use lynx (lynx /usr/share/doc -- use the arrows for navigating--- I believe "mc" also can open html pages) |
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| 08:43.33 | blue_sky | yagoo: yup, I suppose, dunno why, but was looking for an easy GUI browser option. |
| 08:43.34 | yagoo | blue_sky, if u need to access them over the network.. u can easily just do an ssh then run lynx.. |
| 08:43.38 | Leoneof | superlinux: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1299820 |
| 08:43.51 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:43.56 | yagoo | blue_sky, there are manpage servers.. haven't used them in a long while.. |
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| 08:45.24 | Fake51 | hi, quick question: if my server has run out of memory (bash can't fork processes) - is there any way I can find out which processes I might be able to kill? |
| 08:45.54 | blue_sky | yagoo: these aren't man pages, but thanks anyway. |
| 08:46.06 | blue_sky | Fake51: top? |
| 08:46.22 | blue_sky | Fake51: oops, sorry, won't help |
| 08:47.04 | Fake51 | no, top is a separate process, unfortunately |
| 08:47.16 | obiwahn | /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 08:47.22 | obiwahn | use that next time |
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| 08:48.08 | obiwahn | how would you run kill? |
| 08:48.12 | mah454 | How can i make debian package for wine source package ... |
| 08:48.47 | Fake51 | obiwahn: kill is not a separate command, it's a bash ... whatchamacallit |
| 08:49.14 | obiwahn | buildin |
| 08:49.27 | Fake51 | yeah, builtin |
| 08:49.50 | obiwahn | oh true - didn't know:) |
| 08:49.52 | Fake51 | unfortunately, it takes a ppid ... and I can't seem to find a way to list those |
| 08:50.05 | obiwahn | cd |
| 08:50.05 | Fake51 | without using ps or some such |
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| 08:50.11 | obiwahn | in proc |
| 08:51.08 | Fake51 | how would that work? |
| 08:51.24 | Fake51 | I mean, enlighten me, never tried it :) |
| 08:52.18 | obiwahn | in /proc you will find a list of all process ids |
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| 08:53.30 | Fake51 | yeah, but without being able to list them or having tab autocomplete on, I'd still not be able to see them, would I? |
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| 08:54.39 | obiwahn | ah no idea |
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| 08:54.52 | obiwahn | reboot and use limits to prevent this from happening |
| 08:57.03 | obiwahn | sorry Fake51 i have no better idea |
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| 09:05.36 | Fake51 | obiwahn: thanks, that's basically what I'll be going with |
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| 09:29.23 | ckop64 | hello, all of the Qt applications I'm using now look dark (like they would be using a dark gray theme), how do I make them look like the default? I'm using xfce on testing. |
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| 09:40.46 | vyadhaka | how do I recover GRUB after installing windows, Debian's /boot is on sda2 and rest on an LUks partition. I booted into the debian DVD installer. what option do I choose to restore GRUB? |
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| 09:42.34 | babilen | !tell vyadhaka -about fixmbr |
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| 09:42.52 | babilen | vyadhaka: Make sure you have os-prober installed in order to generate a stanza for Windows |
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| 09:44.19 | vyadhaka | babilen: I cannot get into Debian to use os-prober! I want to know how to overwrite windows boot manager with GRUB |
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| 09:47.52 | plugwash | Basically you need to boot off a CD or similar, mount the root parition, chroot into it, mount proc and then run the commands update-grub2 and grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 09:48.22 | plugwash | unfortunately since I don't use luks I can't say how that will impact the process |
| 09:49.02 | babilen | vyadhaka: See the private message from dpkg |
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| 09:50.02 | nuffigel | hey everyone; I am running a squeeze system and am missing the "pidgin-latex" package; apparently, there is pidgin-latex-1.4.4 for sid and wheezy. I tried to install those but there is an ABI mismatch since they are for pidgin-2.9 and squeeze has pidgin-2.7; I recon that I need pidgin-latex-1.4.2... I understand that I can compile pidgin-latex from source but that would require me to install pidgin-dev, which I want to avoid. Any Ideas? |
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| 09:51.21 | ichilton | hi |
| 09:52.12 | vyadhaka | babilen: thank you, I am reading it. what does root filesystem mean in this context? |
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| 09:52.56 | babilen | vyadhaka: / of the installed system |
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| 09:53.45 | ichilton | i'm trying to install debian into a KVM instance over SSH - i've got KVM in curses mode and at the debian boot prompt, I use: "install fb=false vga=normal" and it works but all the lines are replaced with ?'s - is there anything I can do about that? |
| 09:54.28 | vyadhaka | babilen: ok as I used seperate LV for /, I mount the LV with / on it. Right? |
| 09:54.37 | babilen | vyadhaka: yes |
| 09:54.57 | babilen | vyadhaka: i'll be back later, good luck |
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| 10:16.02 | vyadhaka | when recovering grub, is it necessary to run update-grub before running grub-install? |
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| 10:17.56 | vyadhaka | I was logged in to this channel few mins ago, then I lost my connection. I had to start a new web session. Is there a way to connect back? |
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| 10:28.50 | vyadhaka | !dual boot guide |
| 10:28.50 | dpkg | A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of Linux and Windows (XP, Vista, 7) can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot . The guide covers both Windows and Linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>. |
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| 10:36.43 | vyadhaka | anyone know how to restore grub using the rescue mode of the install disk. I am stuck after chroot into the root file system. when I run grub-install /dev/sda. getting an error: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk |
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| 10:39.46 | ham5 | vyadhaka mounting the disk that has grub files on it? |
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| 11:01.05 | xiroV | Hi. I've been using Ubuntu for 3 years, and have been thinking about switching to Debian. I'm just having some doubts, since I know Debian is a more technical distro. But how much more technical is it really? |
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| 11:02.13 | wols_ | xiroV: hardware can be harder to install, there is no restricted extras as in ubuntu |
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| 11:03.00 | xiroV | One of the reasons why I want to change is that I want to run the Gnome3 interface, and it seems like there's some unstability when it comes to running Gnome3 on Ubuntu because of Unity |
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| 11:03.36 | fenugreek | xiroV: Ubuntu is sourced from unstable Debian and managed by other people, that is the primary difference |
| 11:03.52 | fenugreek | if you want something more stable and generally sane, Debian is a good idea |
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| 11:04.10 | xiroV | wols_, does this mean I just have to find the restricted ppa's by myself? |
| 11:04.18 | fenugreek | xiroV: but I'm sure you can run any version/type of GNOME on any distro |
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| 11:04.53 | fenugreek | xiroV: there's equivalent packages and methods for installing "restricted" stuff |
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| 11:05.51 | xiroV | fenugreek, Well.. I'm running Gnome3 on Ubuntu right now, and it works fine. It just seems somehow unstable, but I'm not sure if it's because of gnome3, or because of Ubuntu |
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| 11:06.47 | fenugreek | xiroV: maybe it's because of your women's intuition? |
| 11:06.53 | fenugreek | it's either unstable or it isn't |
| 11:07.43 | Guest88755 | i am trying to recover grub, am right now chrooted in to the /, got /boot on a seperate partition. where do I mount this? |
| 11:07.46 | fenugreek | it's hard for me to imagine Unity being particularly stable, but it's reliant on GNOME, isn't it |
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| 11:07.59 | fenugreek | Guest88755: on a separate partition |
| 11:08.09 | fenugreek | Guest88755: to where you mounted / + boot |
| 11:08.36 | fenugreek | so if you'd run mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/rootymcroot, you'd mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/rootymcroot/boot |
| 11:08.55 | xiroV | fenugreek, lol :) No, it's because of some random freezes, that just really makes any sense.. Some few times when I closed the lid on my laptop, it freezes. Same thing have happened a couple of times when starting the computer after it've been suspended for some hours |
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| 11:10.01 | xiroV | This doesn't happen everytime thou, and on a everyday basis, the system is stable.. |
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| 11:10.36 | fenugreek | xiroV: I'd suspect your graphics driver and/or kernel first for something like that |
| 11:10.42 | fenugreek | or just your suspend config |
| 11:11.19 | xiroV | fenugreek, yes it is.. And that's why I've had my doubts when it comes to Ubuntu and Gnome3.. |
| 11:11.28 | fenugreek | it's possible your GNOME configuration is not helping, but I don't think I'd ever blame that sort of stuff on GNOME |
| 11:11.39 | fenugreek | xiroV: could happen on any distro, really |
| 11:11.49 | fenugreek | they all use the same pool of kernel sources and graphics drivers, after all |
| 11:11.49 | xiroV | Probably.. But It haven't happened before thou (before Ubuntu 11.04) |
| 11:11.58 | fenugreek | and all use the same handful of suspend approaches |
| 11:12.05 | fenugreek | mmm |
| 11:12.12 | fenugreek | well, are you sure you're using the same graphics driver? |
| 11:12.43 | fenugreek | specific kernel versions and graphics driver versions also occasionally clash, especially with proprietary drivers |
| 11:12.49 | Guest88755 | fenugreek: i am using the rescue mode option form the DVD installer image, so right now i am at /, i installed Debian with /boot on sda2 and rest of the system on /sda3 with LVM on top of LUKS |
| 11:12.55 | xiroV | No clue :) Ubuntu is really taking care of those things.. Again why I have my doubts about changing to Debian |
| 11:13.13 | fenugreek | and I suppose since GNOME/Unity is GPU accelerated (right?) it could be more problematic suspending it (but this isn't what I'd look for first) |
| 11:13.30 | fenugreek | Guest88755: good grief =P |
| 11:13.36 | fenugreek | Guest88755: what's wrong with your GRUB? |
| 11:13.48 | fenugreek | xiroV: well it's like I said |
| 11:14.00 | fenugreek | you'll have to learn a couple new things if you switched to Debian |
| 11:14.10 | fenugreek | but on the whole you'd be getting more stable software |
| 11:14.15 | Guest88755 | fenugreek: had to reinstall win7, paid the price |
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| 11:14.41 | xiroV | fenugreek, Okay :) Well.. Thanks a lot anyways.. I'll think about it |
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| 11:15.38 | Vbitz | hello all i just tried to update gcc and now it is installing libc, but perl starts spaming string errors |
| 11:16.02 | fenugreek | Guest88755: so sda3 /some/mntpoint and sda2 /some/mntpoint/boot |
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| 11:16.11 | fenugreek | Vbitz: does it stop? |
| 11:16.16 | Vbitz | nope |
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| 11:16.46 | Vbitz | perl is currently sitting around at 100% cpu |
| 11:16.55 | fenugreek | so? |
| 11:16.56 | Vbitz | on one core |
| 11:17.04 | Vbitz | no |
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| 11:18.02 | Vbitz | so what should i do? |
| 11:18.05 | Guest88755 | fenugreek: how do I open a seperate tab for dpkg help in irc, I don't want to spam this channel. I was readingabout fixmbr. |
| 11:19.05 | fenugreek | Vbitz: wait for a real problem? |
| 11:19.27 | fenugreek | Guest88755: /query dpkg |
| 11:19.30 | Vbitz | such as? |
| 11:19.41 | fenugreek | Vbitz: something that is keeping you from accomplishing something you wish to accomplish |
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| 11:20.30 | Vbitz | this is, i am trying to build something and this comes out and has already rasied cpu temp by 20C |
| 11:20.46 | Mmike | Can a DNS zonefile exists without an A-record? I just need/want MX in it. |
| 11:20.48 | Vbitz | i cam currently on ssh |
| 11:21.15 | joltcan | Mmike: Sure thing. It's not relly RFC valid, but it works great |
| 11:21.50 | Mmike | joltcan, thnx |
| 11:23.11 | fenugreek | Vbitz: again, not seeing a problem |
| 11:23.24 | fenugreek | unless your CPU isn't designed to reach that temperature and survive |
| 11:23.35 | fenugreek | which is unlikely, I'm guessing |
| 11:23.38 | Vbitz | it does not stop |
| 11:23.39 | jelly | joltcan: which rfc, which rule does that break? |
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| 11:24.18 | fenugreek | Vbitz: for how long? |
| 11:24.44 | Vbitz | i have given it 10 minutes for a postconf perl script |
| 11:25.02 | joltcan | jelly: somewhere in the back of my head I have a tingling memory that says that a zone file requires at least an A record to be valid, but I'm not sure |
| 11:26.16 | jelly | joltcan: ok. I don't see why A records would be a special case like that tho |
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| 11:26.50 | jelly | Vbitz: can you strace that process |
| 11:27.16 | joltcan | jelly: maybe not, I might be that some server required it and I got that backwords |
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| 11:27.29 | Vbitz | i just captured the output from it |
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| 11:28.02 | Vbitz | before spaming it says checking for services that need to be restarted and then checking init scripts |
| 11:28.42 | Vbitz | then i have 14mb of the same error over and over again |
| 11:29.05 | jelly | Vbitz: can you strace that process and pastebin the loop or not? Which debian release are you using? |
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| 11:29.35 | jelly | there was a user 1-2 days ago with a similar symptom |
| 11:30.26 | Guest88755 | fenugreek: I can see quite a lot of files in /boot/grub. I did not mount /dev/sda2 yet. so I still mount sda2 at /boot? |
| 11:30.38 | Vbitz | how would i do that with apt-get -y install |
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| 11:31.10 | fenugreek | Guest88755: mount it somewhere else and figure out if you have even been using it at all yet |
| 11:31.26 | Guest88755 | fenugreek: ok |
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| 11:35.31 | Vbitz | got it |
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| 11:37.13 | Guest88755 | fenugreek: excellent. such a silly issue, thank you very much. when I get a chance I will definitely update the debian docs. |
| 11:38.20 | Vbitz | jelly it is 5mb, can i just post a dropbox link |
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| 11:38.49 | jelly | Vbitz: sure, or paste a couple thousand lines to a pastebin site |
| 11:38.58 | Vbitz | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2014606/strace_log2 |
| 11:39.08 | Vbitz | it should be just about there |
| 11:39.14 | Vbitz | ready |
| 11:39.38 | obiwahn | xiroV: the other big difference is upstart:P |
| 11:40.13 | obiwahn | speaking of ubuntu <-> debian |
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| 11:43.56 | jelly | viezerd: um, did you strace apt or the faulty perl process? This looks like apt |
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| 11:44.02 | jelly | Vbitz: um, did you strace apt or the faulty perl process? This looks like apt |
| 11:44.13 | Vbitz | yeah, that was apt |
| 11:44.20 | Vbitz | how would i strace perl |
| 11:44.29 | jelly | strace -p PID |
| 11:45.18 | jelly | Vbitz: or use -f so that strace follows forks and straces child processes as well |
| 11:46.27 | jelly | Vbitz: which Debian release are you using? You seem to have a strange mix of squeeze, experimental and "crunchbang" repos enabled, whatever that is |
| 11:46.59 | Vbitz | i am using crushbang as my base distro but i have added experemental |
| 11:47.20 | jelly | crushbang? |
| 11:47.29 | jelly | !crushbang |
| 11:47.36 | fenugreek | it's crunch |
| 11:47.41 | fenugreek | unless there's a silly new variant |
| 11:47.46 | jelly | !crunchbang |
| 11:47.46 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 11:48.12 | jelly | Vbitz: oh, if it's a debian derivative, ask in their channel |
| 11:48.20 | fenugreek | ... |
| 11:48.26 | fenugreek | in whose channel? |
| 11:48.36 | jelly | channel of that distro |
| 11:48.40 | fenugreek | =) |
| 11:48.44 | fenugreek | Vbitz: you walked into that one |
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| 11:48.51 | mklappstuhl | hey |
| 11:48.58 | fenugreek | hey |
| 11:49.02 | Vbitz | i know and now i have the strace from perl |
| 11:49.12 | jelly | and I'm not interested any more |
| 11:49.26 | mklappstuhl | I'd like to install a previous version of slapd but only know the version-string from an ubuntu machine |
| 11:49.29 | jelly | not going to solve issues in derivatives for free |
| 11:49.45 | mklappstuhl | is there a way to list all previous versions or similar |
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| 11:50.35 | jelly | mklappstuhl: which debian release are you using, and which slapd version are you targeting (and why)? |
| 11:51.27 | mklappstuhl | squeeze |
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| 11:52.04 | mklappstuhl | targeting 2.4.21-0 because of compatibility issues with newer versions |
| 11:52.37 | jelly | ,versions slapd |
| 11:52.38 | judd | Package slapd on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-proposed-updates: 2.4.11-1+lenny2.1; lenny-backports: 2.4.17-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.4.23-7.2; sid: 2.4.25-1.1; wheezy: 2.4.25-1.1 |
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| 11:52.52 | mklappstuhl | (directory structure of config files within /etc changed) |
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| 11:53.30 | jelly | mklappstuhl: I thought you still could use a custom full slapd.conf if you put it there? |
| 11:54.08 | mklappstuhl | I did try this a while ago and failed |
| 11:55.15 | themill | mklappstuhl: your time might be more fruitfully spent in #openldap working out how to port your configuration over to the new format; the new format is here to stay⦠|
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| 11:56.31 | jelly | mklappstuhl: well. You can try hunting thru snapshot.debian.org and fiddle with dependencies to make the old package install, but longterm it's better to do what he said |
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| 12:06.13 | ronny | hi |
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| 12:06.35 | ronny | is there any howto for setting up usershare setup of samba from nautilus? |
| 12:06.58 | ronny | i'd like to enable some of my users to just do that, but i got stuck at having no idea what password to use |
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| 12:07.10 | dokma | anyone from UK here? |
| 12:07.21 | blue_sky | I fit that description |
| 12:07.38 | dokma | blue_sky: I need to find a number of a company |
| 12:07.48 | blue_sky | phone number? |
| 12:07.49 | dokma | is there some service that I can call that could look it up? |
| 12:07.51 | dokma | yes |
| 12:07.58 | petemc | yell.com |
| 12:08.07 | blue_sky | I don't know about international, let me check |
| 12:08.16 | dokma | let me try yell.com |
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| 12:10.58 | dokma | I found their phone number |
| 12:11.13 | dokma | blue_sky: what is the calling code for UK ? |
| 12:11.17 | blue_sky | +44 |
| 12:11.23 | dokma | great |
| 12:11.35 | blue_sky | drop the leading zero on the company phone number |
| 12:11.54 | dokma | I did |
| 12:12.06 | dokma | it's ringing |
| 12:12.15 | blue_sky | If my phone rings in a minute.. .oh, not me then :) |
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| 12:14.30 | taleon | hi |
| 12:15.02 | blue_sky | taleon: directory enquiries, how may we help you? |
| 12:15.56 | taleon | blue_sky: I do not need any help. ;-) |
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| 12:16.41 | blue_sky | taleon: that's good, 'cos, contrary to recent activity, this isn't really directory enq's |
| 12:16.54 | dokma | blue_sky: got them on the phone! thanks a bunch |
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| 12:17.25 | blue_sky | dokma: np, wasn't me that suggested yell.com though |
| 12:17.49 | dokma | ahh... didn't notice petemc thanks mate! |
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| 12:27.40 | amoe | hello, is the compose key enabled in a default squeeze GNOME installation? what key is it? |
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| 12:28.47 | fenugreek | amoe: mac keyboard thing, no? |
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| 12:28.55 | amoe | Got it, it's disabled by default |
| 12:29.00 | fenugreek | otherwise it'd probably be the meta or windows key |
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| 12:29.22 | amoe | thanks fenugreek |
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| 12:39.43 | mklappstuhl | jelly, themill: thanks for your advice - I'll talk to my coworkers why it isnt the newest version |
| 12:40.12 | fenugreek | mklappstuhl: what? |
| 12:41.04 | mklappstuhl | fenugreek: nothing? |
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| 12:41.27 | jelly | !confuse fenugreek |
| 12:41.27 | dpkg | Yes, them was your bacon today, fenugreek? Breeches of the Republic of Tibet with extra ham. |
| 12:42.34 | fenugreek | dpkg: yeah but who can sit still while that's going on |
| 12:42.34 | dpkg | fenugreek: i haven't a clue |
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| 12:48.47 | NiLon | is there simple solution to have /tmp on ramdisk with "dynamic" size, let's say I wanna it can use 256MB of memory and if it goes over, use disk instead |
| 12:48.57 | NiLon | and it kind of should favor using memory for files that are being used |
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| 12:49.12 | NiLon | some week old files should be moved disk |
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| 12:50.52 | NiLon | basically tmpfs with some fixed ram usage |
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| 12:58.21 | superlinux | I just want to share with you this test on cpufreq-set that can select the CPU frequency. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9pfX0jb7Y |
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| 13:03.08 | giles | Hello, how can I do the grub-install step manually from the netinst CD so that I can install to /dev/sdc rather than /dev/sda? |
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| 13:07.40 | christo898 | Quick question. What irc client do you guys use? |
| 13:07.56 | giles | I use pidgin. |
| 13:08.27 | anomaly | xchat. |
| 13:08.32 | nevyn | irssi |
| 13:08.35 | colo-work | xchat and irssi. |
| 13:08.58 | christo898 | how in xchat do you get the name list to appear? |
| 13:09.20 | colo-work | Ctrl+F7 |
| 13:09.27 | superlinux | I just want to share with you this test on cpufreq-set that can select the CPU frequency. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9pfX0jb7Y |
| 13:09.42 | superlinux | give comments |
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| 13:10.46 | Lekensteyn | (about packaging) Hi, is it possible to create arch-dependent install files without setting override_dh_install? Like naming a file package:i386.install |
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| 13:14.26 | jargon- | in kde how do i change the clock format to 24hrs? |
| 13:14.48 | giles | Hello, how can I do the grub-install step manually from the netinst CD so that I can install to /dev/sdc rather than /dev/sda? |
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| 13:15.44 | thewanderer1 | giles: I think d-i installs to all hard drives, you could remove the disk that you do not want GRUB to end up on |
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| 13:16.48 | thewanderer1 | giles: alternatively, you can skip the bootloader step ("continue without a bootloader") and use Rescue Mode to call grub-install in a chroot manually |
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| 13:17.20 | petemc | it should ask you where you want to install grub |
| 13:17.30 | giles | thewanderer1: yes, I need to know how to do the chroot |
| 13:17.37 | Lekensteyn | jargon-: check your locale settings or rightclick your clock |
| 13:18.18 | giles | thewanderer1: chroot /target? |
| 13:18.20 | thewanderer1 | giles: if you boot the debian installer CD in rescue mode, it will ask you what you want to do and you select "run a shell in the target filesystem" (or sth like that) |
| 13:18.30 | jargon- | Lekensteyn: none of the options avail in rightclick can be used for changing the display format of the clock |
| 13:19.10 | giles | thewanderer1: ok, I think it worked, I wanted to do it before rebooting ;) |
| 13:19.24 | Lekensteyn | jargon-: could you try Locale Settings? 12/24h format is pretty locale-dependent |
| 13:19.32 | Lekensteyn | jargon-: It's available at System settings |
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| 13:19.53 | jargon- | Lekensteyn: ok thanks |
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| 13:24.52 | PrivateAlpha | Can anyone recommend a good program for sending monthly newsletters(To many people)? |
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| 13:25.12 | PrivateAlpha | emil program* |
| 13:25.37 | colo-work | phplist. it's written in PHP, but yeah... there aren't many serious bulk-mailing alternatives afaik |
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| 13:27.03 | PrivateAlpha | emil program: it has to be named emil:P. Thanks will look at that colo-work:) |
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| 13:29.32 | goodman | i am finding a good network monitoring tool which operates in console mode and real-time. would you recommend one? |
| 13:29.51 | goodman | like 'top' |
| 13:30.17 | Lekensteyn | (about packaging) Is it possible to create arch-dependent install files without setting override_dh_install? Like naming a file package:i386.install |
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| 13:30.34 | thewanderer1 | goodman: iftop is quite decent |
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| 13:31.53 | goodman | thanks, thewanderer1. |
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| 13:33.20 | MoooookiE | Hello, i have installed rubygems manually. But now if i want to install for example libapache2-mod-passenger it has rubygems as dependency and install the debian version over my own. Is there a way to prevent this? |
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| 13:34.06 | nevyn | MoooookiE: install the deb before the secondary package managers package |
| 13:34.17 | nevyn | hates secondare package managers. |
| 13:34.38 | MoooookiE | the secondary package manager is .tar.gz ;) |
| 13:34.49 | nevyn | yeah don't do that. |
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| 13:35.01 | nevyn | a gem is not a tar.gz |
| 13:35.06 | MoooookiE | But if i want exactly this version? |
| 13:35.12 | nevyn | install the debian one. |
| 13:35.16 | nevyn | then install the tar.gz |
| 13:35.21 | MoooookiE | I don't install a gem. I install rubygems. |
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| 13:35.47 | nevyn | so you can use something to tell debian "it's installed" |
| 13:36.03 | MoooookiE | This is what i want |
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| 13:36.32 | MoooookiE | But not with install rubygems first from debian. This feels dirty ;) |
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| 13:37.39 | nevyn | that's because installing things from source is dirty |
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| 13:38.17 | nevyn | at least use checkinstall |
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| 13:39.41 | MoooookiE | thanks, i try it |
| 13:40.26 | nevyn | MoooookiE: dirty is probably overstating it but you lose most of the advantages of debian at that point imo |
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| 13:45.55 | noora_ | Fresh install of sqeeze -> no sound in iceweasel, no sound-related warnings printed to terminal, but mplayer works fine (with alsa). How do I solve this? |
| 13:46.10 | noora_ | alsamixer works, levels are sane, etc. |
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| 13:48.15 | nevyn | installed gnome? |
| 13:48.19 | noora_ | Nope |
| 13:48.25 | nevyn | is pa installed? |
| 13:48.28 | nevyn | pactl stat |
| 13:48.37 | noora_ | bash: pactl: command not found |
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| 13:49.01 | noora_ | (There are some libs which were pulled as deps, but I'm trying not to use pa..) |
| 13:49.11 | nevyn | hrm |
| 13:49.19 | nevyn | oh why not? |
| 13:49.31 | noora_ | It's always caused trouble |
| 13:49.38 | noora_ | And this certainly should work with just alsa |
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| 13:50.07 | thewanderer1 | noora_: what does 'no sound in iceweasel' mean? a Flash problem? |
| 13:50.10 | nevyn | not if you open iceweasel while sound is playing. |
| 13:50.14 | nevyn | but whatever. |
| 13:50.44 | noora_ | thewanderer1: No sound in flash, nor in the vorbis files iceweasel plays natively on eg. wikipedia |
| 13:51.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah, so something else seems to be blocking the audio device |
| 13:51.16 | noora_ | I have hardware mixing, and alsa has had software mixing for ten years |
| 13:51.24 | noora_ | I can run multiple instances of mplayer just fine |
| 13:51.28 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 13:52.22 | noora_ | (And knowing alsa, it'd probably print something to the terminal if the device was blocked.. this isn't the case) |
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| 13:55.28 | thewanderer1 | another option is that Iceweasel tries to use PulseAudio for some reason and fails miserably |
| 13:55.38 | thewanderer1 | that, or OSS API :/ |
| 13:56.12 | noora_ | I tried aoss, and it doesn't work (but again works with mplayer), so it's probably not the latter |
| 13:56.23 | noora_ | The former doesn't sound unlikely, though |
| 13:56.37 | noora_ | Mplayer for one tries to use PA first, but fails and falls back to alsa |
| 13:56.41 | noora_ | Can I configure iceweasel? |
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| 14:02.35 | noora_ | Sigh.. guess I'll just have to try pa. This will hurt. |
| 14:03.01 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: Firefox/iceweasel itself doesn't do any audio playback, it's all handled by plugins. |
| 14:03.09 | noora_ | jhutchins_lt: You sure? |
| 14:03.14 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: Yes. |
| 14:03.16 | noora_ | What plugin does it use to play vorbis? |
| 14:03.32 | jhutchins_lt | Look in the file types menu of the preferences. |
| 14:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: What release are you on, and what version of iceweasel? |
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| 14:04.28 | noora_ | Mozilla Iceweasel 3.5.16, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2010 mozilla.org |
| 14:04.28 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: I thought the latest had some html5 support, which would include native video and probably audio support |
| 14:04.31 | noora_ | Sqeeze |
| 14:04.40 | jelly | but not 3.5 |
| 14:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: I must admit I don't know how much of that has been written into the new rendering engine. I'm thinking of the older model through the 3.x series. |
| 14:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: iceweasel? |
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| 14:06.33 | noora_ | jhutchins_lt: That's what it says |
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| 14:06.51 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: Yes, help/about which version please. |
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| 14:06.58 | noora_ | 3.5.16 |
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| 14:08.01 | noora_ | | As originally recommended by HTML 5, these web browsers natively support Vorbis audio (without a plug-in) using the <audio> element: Mozilla Firefox 3.5 (and later versions), [..] |
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| 14:08.38 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: Good work. |
| 14:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: So the native audio is working but flash isn't. |
| 14:09.36 | noora_ | Nah, native audio isn't working, either |
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| 14:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: Ah. |
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| 14:10.08 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: Did you run the alsa checklist? |
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| 14:10.40 | noora_ | Let me do that |
| 14:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | !tell noora_ about alsa checklist |
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| 14:12.16 | Python | does all processes terminate if I exit the ssh session ? |
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| 14:12.46 | noora_ | Mmmh, the bot doesn't split long messages |
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| 14:13.36 | Python | ??? |
| 14:13.47 | noora_ | Python: No |
| 14:13.52 | roue | hola |
| 14:14.03 | dkr | Python: usually. you want to use nohup to run a background process to keep it running when your session ends. or you can use screen |
| 14:14.14 | Python | noora_, fail? |
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| 14:14.51 | Python | thanks ! |
| 14:14.52 | jhutchins_lt | noora_: What flash player are you using? |
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| 14:15.33 | roue | I just upraded my lenny install to squeeze (fresh install). For some reason unrar no longer functions. It will attempt to unpack an archive, then fail. If I chroot into the backup of my Lenny install unrar works fine. md5sums show it's the exact same binary. If I try to run the lenny binary from outside the chroot it fails, so there's some system library issue going on. Any suggestions? thanks. |
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| 14:16.56 | wols_ | roue: fails how? |
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| 14:19.14 | thewanderer1 | ,versions unrar |
| 14:19.15 | dkr | with an error message explaining why, of course! |
| 14:19.16 | judd | Package unrar on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:3.8.2-1; squeeze/non-free: 1:3.9.10-1; sid/non-free: 1:4.0.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:4.0.3-1 |
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| 14:19.28 | jelly | ,versions rar |
| 14:19.29 | judd | Package rar on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:3.8b3-1; squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; sid/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1 |
| 14:19.48 | thewanderer1 | the versions differ, so if the md5sum is the same, he has a bigger problem than just unrar not working |
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| 14:21.04 | roue | wols_ unrar displays the files included in the rar but then reports a failure to extract. |
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| 14:21.26 | wols_ | roue: upgrade your unrar as thewanderer1 showed you. get the new one |
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| 14:22.54 | stephan48 | wols_: please give us the output of "dpkg -l unrar" of your lenny setup and your squeeze install |
| 14:22.55 | roue | thewanderer1 I didn't follow your upgrade instructions. I should just pull the binary from sid? |
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| 14:23.07 | stephan48 | roue: * i ment sry |
| 14:23.23 | stack | hi, does anyone uses vim-orgmode in debian? I noticed that the vim debian package is provided without python support, is there any other package or should I recompile vim with python support? |
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| 14:24.01 | thewanderer1 | roue: no, you've upgraded to Squeeze but you claim that the binary in Lenny and Squeeze have the same md5sum, which indicates that you're really using an old version on Squeeze |
| 14:24.38 | thewanderer1 | also, guys, who broke this? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/unrar/filelist |
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| 14:25.02 | stephan48 | it doesnt how files? |
| 14:25.07 | roue | thewanderer1 dpkg -l |grep unrar reports ii unrar-free 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 14:25.13 | wols_ | thewanderer1: be happy there is pdo support at all |
| 14:25.42 | thewanderer1 | oh, so there is no unrar installed actually |
| 14:25.46 | stephan48 | ,versions unrar-free |
| 14:25.47 | judd | Package unrar-free on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1; sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1; squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1; wheezy: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 |
| 14:25.58 | stephan48 | would explain the same md5 sum |
| 14:25.59 | thewanderer1 | yeah, that would explain it |
| 14:26.00 | roue | so the md5sums probably are the same, eh? |
| 14:26.12 | roue | so I need to add non-free to my apt sources? |
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| 14:26.32 | julius__ | hi |
| 14:26.37 | thewanderer1 | hm... I just wonder why the free version would stop working |
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| 14:27.03 | stephan48 | maybe you can give us the error msg? |
| 14:27.08 | wols_ | roue: the "free" unrar cannot unpack the latest version rar archives. only the non-free one can. from rar fileformat version 3 or so onwards, there is no free unpacker anymore |
| 14:27.16 | stephan48 | ran it with verbose(of it has such a mode)? |
| 14:27.24 | wols_ | so it works with older rar files but not newer ones |
| 14:28.04 | roue | got it. okay. thanks. |
| 14:28.09 | wols_ | !tell roue about unrar |
| 14:28.12 | stephan48 | but he says it works inside of his lenny chroot(assumed he tried the same rar file) |
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| 14:29.29 | julius__ | if i do /etc/init.d/cgconfig restart after installation with the default config file (there was no /etc/cgconfig before the installation) in /etc i get: Failed to parse /etc/cgconfig.conf ... failed! |
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| 14:30.28 | julius__ | this is a debian squeeze |
| 14:30.46 | wols_ | # |
| 14:30.47 | lcof | man 5 cgconfig.conf |
| 14:30.59 | julius__ | no, its the config from the package |
| 14:31.13 | wols_ | julius__: does the file exists? |
| 14:31.29 | julius__ | yes |
| 14:31.31 | thewanderer1 | julius__: actually, I get the same error, this seems to be standard :P |
| 14:31.43 | julius__ | thx |
| 14:31.47 | julius__ | where do i post this bug? |
| 14:32.03 | thewanderer1 | julius__: use bugreport against whatever package cgconfig is in |
| 14:32.06 | julius__ | the cgroup-bin package in ubuntu natty seems to work better. its a never version |
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| 14:32.31 | julius__ | what is bugreport? |
| 14:32.32 | thewanderer1 | julius__: also, I should mention that "failed to parse" actually means "failed to parse OR execute the commands" for this |
| 14:32.46 | thewanderer1 | julius__: reportbug, sorry. a program for reporting bugs. |
| 14:32.52 | julius__ | doesnt matter, the default installation shouldn output errors |
| 14:33.31 | thewanderer1 | julius__: yeah, I know, just telling you in case you want to submit a patch |
| 14:33.39 | roue | added non-free, installed that version of unrar and now it works. thanks for your help. |
| 14:34.13 | julius__ | ah nice, reportbug shows that the problem is known |
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| 14:35.23 | julius__ | getting information for cgroups / libcgroup on the internet is actually hard. its coming together slowly |
| 14:35.41 | julius__ | but you can probably do pretty amassing things with it |
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| 14:39.32 | deeLer | is there an embedded-debian irc channel ? |
| 14:39.40 | catsup | wow, i think i found a bug in gnu tail |
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| 14:39.48 | colo-work | UN-possible ;) |
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| 14:40.39 | catsup | ...|xargs -n1 -0 tail -c 1K |
| 14:40.43 | catsup | xargs: tail: terminated by signal 13 |
| 14:41.03 | catsup | wtf? |
| 14:41.07 | hugo___ | Hello.. Im starting to learn and use rdiff-backup and id like to list ALL available versions of a backed up file... Does anyone now if can do this? Id like to view and compare the current file with the history files in backup folder. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:41.43 | catsup | samecmd|xargs -n1 -0 tail -c 1 --> success |
| 14:41.58 | catsup | tail is chokin on some file |
| 14:42.14 | catsup | srsly? how can gnu tail choke on a file |
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| 14:47.01 | spal | what does the cron schedule: "02 * * * *" mean? |
| 14:47.15 | anomaly | means ever 2 mins do foo |
| 14:47.31 | anomaly | usually there is a command associated. |
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| 14:47.56 | catsup | no |
| 14:47.59 | catsup | it does not mean that |
| 14:48.03 | PrivateAlpha | eh is it possible to login as root user? |
| 14:48.06 | catsup | it means 2 minutes after every hour do it |
| 14:48.07 | spal | I think it means do that whenever the minute matches 02 |
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| 14:48.22 | spal | e.g. 00:02:00, 01:02:00, ... |
| 14:48.24 | spal | am I right? |
| 14:48.40 | catsup | yes spal |
| 14:49.25 | catsup | for every 2 minutes, you want */2 |
| 14:49.53 | spal | okay |
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| 14:51.17 | wols_ | PrivateAlpha: depends if you have set up sudo in the installer or not. if you have, then no. if you haven't, then yes |
| 14:51.29 | wols_ | PrivateAlpha: but then sudo -i will work just fine |
| 14:51.46 | catsup | this apparent tail bug only occurs when output is to a pipe |
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| 14:52.37 | catsup | wait what, 13 is sigpipe, ok, it's not tail, lol |
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| 15:08.03 | karlpinc | What do these errors: "error: out of partition. |
| 15:08.32 | karlpinc | and /dev/dm-2: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 1000198832128: Input/output error |
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| 15:09.15 | wols_ | the partition size specified is bigger than the number of actual sectors on disk |
| 15:09.18 | karlpinc | mean? http://pastie.org/2361521 and http://pastie.org/2361523 |
| 15:10.09 | karlpinc | wols_: That would be odd. It's an lvm volume. (There does not seem to be a disk error. smartctl says everything's fine.) |
| 15:10.26 | karlpinc | wols_: I just rebooted with shutdown -rF now too. |
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| 15:11.07 | wols_ | smartctl wouldn't care.imho, grub tries to write something at the end of the disk which is sector x, but it doesn't work since sector x is not there: x-10 or whatever is the last sector on disk |
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| 15:11.36 | wols_ | smartctl doesn't care about partition tables and asks the disk directly where it ends |
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| 15:12.03 | karlpinc | wols_: Yes. Some sort of data structure error. But how did it happen, and how do it fix things? |
| 15:12.45 | karlpinc | wols_: The box has been fine for a few years. |
| 15:12.51 | wols_ | check your partition table more carefully I guess. I don't really do much LVM. could be an lvm error too |
| 15:12.56 | fenugreek | .imho, would make a good TLD =P |
| 15:13.13 | wols_ | fenugreek: 185.000 USD and you have a shot at it. good luck |
| 15:13.31 | wols_ | does lvm have something like a partition table of sorts? |
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| 15:13.42 | karlpinc | wols_: Think I should start over and restore from backup? |
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| 15:14.19 | karlpinc | wols_: A logical volume is a virtual partition. |
| 15:14.28 | Zapwai | I have no cd-rom, but I have winxp and was able to put the .iso, vmlinuz, and initrd.gz into c:\boot. |
| 15:14.39 | Zapwai | Is there a nice easy command to tell debian installer to look at the harddrive rather than the cd-rom? |
| 15:14.45 | Zapwai | Or will I have to emulate a cd-rom? |
| 15:14.52 | wols_ | karlpinc: if anything I'd _make_ a backup by saving files, recreate the LVM and restore the files |
| 15:15.13 | karlpinc | Zapwai: You'll want to read the install guide and pick a good choice. USB key could work for you. |
| 15:15.14 | Zapwai | (I'm trying to install crunchbang - I think it's using debian squeeze) |
| 15:15.16 | karlpinc | !tell Zapwai about ig |
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| 15:15.29 | karlpinc | !tell Zapwai about crunchbang |
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| 15:15.41 | wols_ | Zapwai: no cdrom necessary. hardest will booting the kernel. |
| 15:15.56 | wols_ | ah, not debian. then I don't know, sorrry |
| 15:15.57 | karlpinc | wols_: I've got backups. No problem there. |
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| 15:16.41 | wols_ | karlpinc: are they up to the minute backups? cuase the data is still there and imho the system will work forever unelss you want to use all the LVM space. then it might give you a problem not before |
| 15:17.00 | wols_ | and: I'm not totally sure what I told is is right either. remember: no lvm doings here |
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| 15:17.18 | karlpinc | wols_: They're up-to-last-night. Which is good enough. All the box does is backup other boxes. |
| 15:17.25 | wols_ | but it really looks like a classical "tried to read beyond the end of something" error |
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| 15:18.00 | karlpinc | wols_: That whole "snip" section looks suspicious. Like I'm supposed to report it somewhere. |
| 15:18.08 | wols_ | karlpinc: i'd investigate to see how it happened and to learn something personally. unless you have to have it work right now. time is money, carpe diem and all that :) |
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| 15:18.23 | wols_ | especially since you have backups. no harm could come out of it |
| 15:19.31 | wols_ | karlpinc: [66246.032492] Buffer I/O error on device dm-2, logical block 2052 is ugly tho. that's not end of disk. that's about 2000 blocks or sectors into the lvm device |
| 15:20.31 | wols_ | do a dd if=/dev/dm-2 of=test bs=1k count=5000 and see if it persists. if it does, do a smartctl long test on the disk and prepare for a restore and maybe even a new hdd |
| 15:20.40 | karlpinc | wols_: How do I find out what dm-2 is? pvs gives me an error about dm-2 also. There's 2 physical drives, each a separate volume group so there's no "mixing" between drives. |
| 15:20.48 | wols_ | buffer error could be a contoller thing |
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| 15:21.03 | wols_ | is this a dm raid? |
| 15:21.08 | karlpinc | wols_: No. |
| 15:21.37 | wols_ | hmm... grub brought the error to light, right? where did you install grub? |
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| 15:22.23 | karlpinc | wols_: Internal drive, sda. There's also an external usb drive with lots of storage to keep backups of other boxes. |
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| 15:22.44 | wols_ | is there a /dev/dm* |
| 15:22.46 | wols_ | ? |
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| 15:23.30 | wols_ | and whyth is it dm-2 when there is disk 0 and disk 1 only? |
| 15:23.35 | karlpinc | wols_: Your dd command copies 0 bytes. :-P Same error. |
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| 15:24.11 | wols_ | karlpinc: smartctl long test |
| 15:24.19 | karlpinc | wols_: /dev/dm-0 /dev/dm-1 /dev/dm-2 /dev/dm-3 |
| 15:24.22 | wols_ | I wish you good luck but I am pessimistic I have to say |
| 15:24.27 | karlpinc | wols_: Each is probably a lv. |
| 15:24.48 | karlpinc | wols_: If it's hardware I should just buy a replacement box. They're only $300. |
| 15:24.50 | wols_ | and dm-2 is where on disk? lv's are made of real partitions, no? |
| 15:25.00 | karlpinc | wols_: No. |
| 15:25.01 | wols_ | is this work or fun? |
| 15:25.05 | karlpinc | wols_: Work. |
| 15:25.37 | karlpinc | wols_: PVs are made of real partitions, or raw disks. VGs are made of PVS. LVs are carved out of VGs. |
| 15:26.14 | wols_ | way too complicated for my small brain |
| 15:27.09 | karlpinc | wols_: The regularly run long tests all passed, But that was before the power outage that brought the whole thing down. So.... I'll see about a long test. (Is a long test a real test? I forget that whole stupid smart vocabularly.) |
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| 15:27.47 | wols_ | yes. long test reads every single sector. normal smartd only checks reads which are actually done when the box works |
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| 15:33.01 | karlpinc | wols_: I suspect the controller. Which means the smart test will pass. It's a guess, because there seemed to be problems based on which port the external usb port was plugged into. Maybe there's ram issues and I should start with memtest86++.... |
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| 15:33.17 | karlpinc | wols_: (But I'm not getting any segfaults, that I know of.) |
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| 15:39.28 | wols_ | karlpinc: a controller wouldn't care which sector is bad, would it? it simply inseted X amount of errors per MB or such |
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| 15:40.50 | juannicolas | Hello, is there a channel for dhcpd server help or I can ask question about it here? |
| 15:41.02 | wols_ | juannicolas: are you running debian? |
| 15:41.06 | juannicolas | yes |
| 15:41.07 | wols_ | if yes, then you can ask here |
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| 15:42.58 | juannicolas | great, I have a debian server that I will use it as a DHCP, DNS, PROXY etc server and I would like to know, if is possible to tell the dhcpd to monitor hostnames and not give mor than 1 ip address by hostname? The problem I have is that people usually connects their mahcines via network cable and sometimes leave their wifi on, and the dhcp assigns 2 ips |
| 15:43.11 | julius__ | apt-get build-dep linux-2.6 tries to install things like: texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-generic-recommended texlive-latex-base texlive-latex-base-doc texlive-latex-extra is this really needed to rebuild a kernel? |
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| 15:46.59 | wols_ | julius__: no. really needed are build-essential, libncurses with dev, and that's it |
| 15:47.09 | wols_ | julius__: you might want to disable recommends |
| 15:47.27 | julius__ | thx |
| 15:47.40 | wols_ | !tell julius__ about apt recommends |
| 15:47.52 | julius__ | is there a way to see the currently running kernel config? /proc/gzconfig isnt there |
| 15:48.01 | wols_ | ls /boot/config* |
| 15:48.19 | wols_ | and it's /proc/config.gz |
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| 15:49.32 | julius__ | can somebody confirm this, i dont want to rebuild a kerel for nothing.... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609004 |
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| 15:50.16 | julius__ | the important thing is: is there a way to turn on CONFIG_PROC_EVENTS=y |
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| 15:51.14 | abrotman | that optoin isn't set at all |
| 15:51.24 | fenugreek | shouldn't worry so much about playing with the kernel |
| 15:51.29 | julius__ | thats what he says in the bug report and thats what i find to be true |
| 15:51.40 | abrotman | fenugreek: uhm .. what? |
| 15:52.06 | abrotman | julius__: so you're saying that _CONNECTOR must by 'y' to get the _PROC_EVENTS option ? |
| 15:52.19 | fenugreek | isn't a big deal, and if you're going to be cruising around for potential security issues, you're going to have to play with your kernel regularly anyways |
| 15:52.21 | julius__ | thats what the bugreport says |
| 15:52.35 | wols_ | juannicolas: seems no one knows. maybe try #networking? there also might be a dhcp channel on freenode. /msg alis help to find it |
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| 15:52.48 | abrotman | fenugreek: perhaps you sohuld ask him why he wants those options before you dismiss it |
| 15:53.28 | julius__ | ah yes...i want cgrulesengd working. its the rules daemon for cgroup-bin that puts processes according to rules into groups |
| 15:53.30 | abrotman | generally i would agree, when someone wants to compile the kenrel just because there's a new version on thte mirrors |
| 15:53.50 | fenugreek | I wasn't dismissing it, I was saying he shoudn't fret over the potential need to alter his kernel |
| 15:53.59 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:54.14 | abrotman | julius__: so what Julien says is true? it only breaks part of the functionality? |
| 15:54.37 | karlpinc | wols_: You're right about the controller.... |
| 15:54.44 | julius__ | yes, i can confirm that the daemon isnt working as expected |
| 15:54.53 | julius__ | works on my ubuntu natty box |
| 15:55.21 | julius__ | its part of the functionality, but a important one |
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| 15:57.16 | wols_ | karlpinc: how so? |
| 15:59.14 | juannicolas | wols_: thank you |
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| 16:01.35 | julius__ | linux-2.6-2.6.32/debian/config/ia64/config if i change this kernel config, will make -f debian/rules source-all use it as a base for my kernel? |
| 16:02.40 | julius__ | ah looks like dch --local +foo. will compile the kernel |
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| 16:03.28 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 16:03.28 | dpkg | it has been said that kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
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| 16:28.44 | julius__ | abrotman, thats not meant for human beings right? |
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| 16:31.11 | wols_ | julius__: for who else? |
| 16:31.37 | julius__ | i bet 50 that if thats entered on the command line it will fail |
| 16:31.44 | wols_ | julius__: do you _really_ have an itanium? |
| 16:31.52 | julius__ | no |
| 16:31.58 | wols_ | then why do you use ia64? |
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| 16:32.15 | julius__ | wasnt that for intel/amd 64bit? |
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| 16:32.47 | wols_ | an. amd64 is. and: you don't edit that file. you edit <kernel source direcotry>/.config or better yet: make menuconfig |
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| 16:32.52 | sedulous | julius__: you're looking for AMD64 a.k.a. x86_64 |
| 16:33.03 | julius__ | ah, yes... that sounds familiar |
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| 16:34.05 | wols_ | julius__: and this line will work fine if you can type it without typos. but it's not really needed. make-kpkg --initrd binary-arch is all that's needed for a minimum |
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| 16:34.41 | wols_ | julius__: I strongly, very very strongly suggest you read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ first. you will avoid lots of grief |
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| 16:37.27 | babilen | julius__: I also recommend http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ and in particular the "Common tasks" chapter |
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| 16:38.14 | julius__ | in my lfs days make menuconfig && make bzimage && cp the kernel was needed |
| 16:38.14 | wols_ | babilen: good to have you here. knew there was something else but didn't remember the URL |
| 16:38.31 | wols_ | julius__: make menuconfig and a make-kpkg run in debian |
| 16:38.32 | babilen | wols_: *sob* |
| 16:39.13 | babilen | julius__: why are you compiling a (which?) kernel? |
| 16:39.18 | matjucim | I have a Debian 5 system whose mail is based on Postfix and UW-IMAP services and once in a while, one user's first mail in the mailbox gets partially overwritten by 80-120 bytes of binary garbage, such that the programmes declare the mailbox to be invalid, and then I have to edit the mailbox with a text editor to remove the 1st mail. Does that sound familiar ? (is it a known bug ?) |
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| 16:39.39 | wols_ | babilen: debian misses some kernel option which is needed for some cgroup feature. there is a bug he linked against |
| 16:39.53 | babilen | wols_: ack :) |
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| 16:39.55 | julius__ | before i start on that adventure if have a question concerning make menuconfig. looking at device drivers -> connector if its selected as module and you "enter it" it does not show any options. if it is selected as build in and you enter it it shows one option....why does it now show the same option when selected as module= |
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| 16:40.24 | wols_ | julius__: cause the programmer decided that option wouldn't work properly when it's only a module |
| 16:40.26 | julius__ | babilen, trying to get cgrulesengd (cgroup-bin) daemon to run |
| 16:40.32 | julius__ | ah, thx |
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| 16:40.40 | babilen | julius__: You can set those options later for modules, which is not possible if you compile them and therefore have to be "hardcoded" |
| 16:41.09 | julius__ | you mean when its loaded via modprobe? |
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| 16:41.11 | wols_ | matjucim: have you checked bts? if it is known, bts knows about it. and I suggest you think about migrating to a better imapd, but that's just me |
| 16:41.43 | matjucim | wols_: what's bts ? |
| 16:41.55 | babilen | julius__: But it also depends on the options - I wouldn't worry about that and use modules. But you might have a different stule. The kernel team also seem to recommend "make deb-pkg" nowadays (see kernel handbook) -- Haven't used it. Which config option are you missing? |
| 16:42.12 | julius__ | PROC_EVENTS |
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| 16:42.29 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 16:42.31 | julius__ | report process events to userspace |
| 16:42.31 | wols_ | !tell matjucim about bts |
| 16:42.51 | babilen | julius__: not set (just wanted to make sure) |
| 16:43.04 | babilen | hands lancelot_of the holy grail |
| 16:43.05 | julius__ | good |
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| 16:43.16 | matjucim | wols_: ok, *that*. |
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| 16:43.46 | julius__ | watches a moment in history, the holy grail given to a linux user in the presence of many |
| 16:43.46 | wols_ | matjucim: I use postfix too but a different imapd. how is your postfix delivering the mail? |
| 16:43.48 | babilen | julius__: yes, I mean then they are loaded later, but it doesn't really matter how they are loaded. |
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| 16:44.03 | jhutchins_lt | matjucim: I have a similar system with Dovecot and have not had that problem. |
| 16:44.11 | matjucim | wols_: i asked here about the bug because I'm not sure I'd know how to find the bug in bts. |
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| 16:44.15 | julius__ | babilen, whats the magic to get the module loaded with that option enabled, just modprobe? |
| 16:44.31 | jhutchins_lt | matjucim: I deliver with procmail. |
| 16:44.38 | babilen | !tell julius__ about modules |
| 16:44.49 | matjucim | wols_: i'm also planning to replace UW-IMAP by something else, but I don't know what. |
| 16:44.55 | wols_ | matjucim: no one sane uses uw-imapd anymore, so it's doubtful you find answers. check bts entries for the progams you use in your mail setup |
| 16:45.10 | matjucim | jhutchins_lt: I also deliver with procmail. oh, I forgot to mention that one. |
| 16:45.10 | wols_ | matjucim: use dovecot. it's simple and has many features |
| 16:45.15 | lancelot_of | loading the new kernel image 3.0 i get on boot these horrible error messages: http://paste.debian.net/126023/. As consequence, the cpu is always on top performance, raising the temperature and steering up the fan. The system with this kernel is really slow comparing it with 2.6.39 and wifi card doesn't work anymore after resuming from suspend or hibernation. For this i have to rmmod iwlagn and modprobe iwlagn again.Please help |
| 16:45.21 | babilen | julius__: You typically create a config file in /etc/modprobe.d/ in which you give the options, but you can also specify them on the command line. Check the files in that dir though, it'll give you an impression. |
| 16:46.02 | julius__ | in what dir? how do i know the options name? |
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| 16:46.18 | julius__ | is there a --help for modules options? |
| 16:46.34 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Don't use the 3.0 kernel yet. It has problems. |
| 16:46.45 | wols_ | babilen: you sure this option can be enabled for this module? |
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| 16:47.00 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: That's why it's in "testing". |
| 16:47.25 | babilen | wols_: Which option? |
| 16:47.37 | julius__ | wols_, i will try...if i know what modprobe expects to enable the option |
| 16:47.43 | babilen | wols_: And no, I am not sure |
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| 16:47.47 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, i had to use it because it's needed from the latest version of intel video driver for xorg. the 2.16 |
| 16:48.31 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, that driver was bugging in th version 2.15.0-3 |
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| 16:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: That's too bad that they're not building it for the earlier kernel, but they don't build testing packages as broadly as stable. |
| 16:49.15 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: I would suggest backporting it. |
| 16:49.17 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, but the latest requires kernel 3.0. Otherwise i really don't know how to make my hd3000 sandybrude chipset properly working |
| 16:49.30 | babilen | lancelot_of: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635348 (please note that wheezy/sid support is also/primarily in #debian-next on irc.debian.org) |
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| 16:49.53 | babilen | lancelot_of: In short: not harmful |
| 16:49.58 | twobitsprite | babilen: I thought it was oftc? |
| 16:50.09 | julius__ | babilen, modprobe cn PROC_EVENTS=yes doesnt work, just a shot in the dark |
| 16:50.20 | babilen | twobitsprite: same thing -- irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.oftc.net |
| 16:50.24 | twobitsprite | ohh |
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| 16:50.39 | lancelot_of | babilen, read but my problem is still here |
| 16:50.54 | babilen | julius__: you can not select it? what does not work? (please note that I have no idea what you are actually trying to achieve or how to do that) |
| 16:51.31 | julius__ | ok, then i will select it and look for the right way to rebuild the kernel image |
| 16:51.51 | babilen | ,versions cpufrequtils |
| 16:51.52 | judd | Package cpufrequtils on i386 -- lenny: 004-2; squeeze: 007-1; wheezy: 007-1; sid: 007-2 |
| 16:52.06 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, babilen otherwise i've to use the vesa driver instead, making my system stable against freezing, but loosing a lot of raphical performance of course |
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| 16:52.11 | babilen | lancelot_of: Get the sid version -- the bug should be fixed in -2 |
| 16:53.01 | lancelot_of | but this is really annoying for the great linux.. |
| 16:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | Frankly I think having the 3.0 as the primary kernel in wheezy is a mistake. It should be an option. |
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| 16:53.41 | babilen | julius__: Ah, no the modprobe way is not possible. I meant something like "thinkpad_acpi fan_control=1" in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ to configure the "fan_control" options of the thinkpad_acpi module |
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| 16:55.15 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, i agree but i can't see at the moment any other solution, if you could suggest me one i'd be really grateful ;) |
| 16:55.16 | julius__ | ok, but how do i know the options name? |
| 16:55.36 | julius__ | babilen, PROC_EVENTS was just something i got from make menuconfig...i dont know if thats useable |
| 16:55.48 | babilen | julius__: it is not |
| 16:55.58 | julius__ | babilen, how do you know? |
| 16:56.27 | babilen | julius__: I mean it is very likely not configurable as a module option, but additional kernel functionality for /proc |
| 16:56.36 | julius__ | ok |
| 16:57.11 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Backport the intel module. |
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| 16:57.40 | julius__ | it says on kernel-handbook.alioth.... fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen setup_i386_none_686-bigmem whats right for x86_6t4? |
| 16:57.46 | babilen | julius__: I would have to read about that particular functionality in order to give additional input. You can do that just as well and we cut out the middle man. |
| 16:58.00 | julius__ | babilen, yes..but where? |
| 16:58.09 | julius__ | except from the source |
| 16:58.48 | karlpinc | wols_: FYI. Some of those error messages from grub are because one of the drives has no parititions, it's used directly as an lvm volume. The dm-2 messages are something else.... They went away after reboot. :-P |
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| 16:58.53 | babilen | julius__: hehe -- was about to suggest that. Dunno, kernelnewbies is typically a good resource, but it might also have been covered on lwn or whatever other website. |
| 16:59.07 | julius__ | ok, wtf |
| 16:59.18 | julius__ | rebuilding cant take that long iirc |
| 16:59.30 | jelly-home | julius__: do you have a 32 or 64bit installation |
| 16:59.35 | julius__ | 64 |
| 16:59.46 | jelly-home | julius__: then put amd64 as both architecture and flavor I guess |
| 16:59.55 | babilen | julius__: http://lwn.net/Articles/157150/ |
| 17:00.03 | jhutchins_lt | julius__: Building the kernel is one of the traditional long-term high-load tests for hardware. |
| 17:00.21 | wols_ | karlpinc: I am uneasy when error messages simple "go away" with no reason... ;) |
| 17:00.27 | babilen | julius__: err, no -- that is not good. |
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| 17:00.41 | jelly-home | julius__: so, setup_amd64_none_amd64 |
| 17:00.50 | iderik | Hello, I am new to debian, from ubuntu. I took the USB-dist (netinstall) and when the installation (after partitioning my whole drive, also ubuntu. So no turn back for me) an error message was shown: "There was no kernel found on the media, do you want to continue the inst? Only experts are recommanded to do t his" So I did, because i had no way back. It is currently installing packages now. What problems will I face? How do I sol |
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| 17:01.32 | jelly-home | iderik: exactly which installer are you using? |
| 17:02.23 | iderik | jelly-home: amd64, is that what you wanted to know? Hmm, let me see at the debian page and ill remember |
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| 17:03.17 | D3814N | lancelot_of, still there ? |
| 17:03.33 | pinoyoragon | Weird thing, I can't boot properly to my 11.04 without pressing esc during boot. If i don't press ESC, it enters graphics mode then stalls showing only the mouse pointer but without the login box |
| 17:03.44 | lancelot_of | D3814N, yes |
| 17:03.49 | D3814N | lancelot_of, I resolved the pcc_cpufreq part by choosing only <*> ACPI Processor P-States driver at 'x86 CPU frequency scaling drivers'. I unmarked other settings. |
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| 17:04.40 | lancelot_of | D3814N, thanks for your courtesy. What about the other modules? |
| 17:05.08 | julius__ | build fails after applying the patches... :( http://paste.pound-python.org/show/10926/ |
| 17:05.08 | D3814N | fan modules ? |
| 17:05.22 | lancelot_of | D3814N, fan, speedstep and powernowd |
| 17:05.39 | D3814N | I dont have those CPU#s |
| 17:05.51 | lancelot_of | babilen, there's no 3.0.0-2 image version in sid yet |
| 17:06.00 | D3814N | thats why I got the errot message lancelot_of |
| 17:06.18 | lancelot_of | D3814N, ok, thanks for your suggestion |
| 17:06.25 | iderik | jelly-home: Ah, I can now see that i took a CD image and i insterted it to a USBstick with unetbootin. It was a small installation (180mb) from this link: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:06.26 | D3814N | yw lancelot_of |
| 17:06.31 | jelly-home | iderik: I mean, a Debian 6.0.x installer or something else |
| 17:06.52 | babilen | lancelot_of: It is not a kernel bug, but one in cpufrequtils (take a look at the bug report I linked) and you therefore want a new cpufrequtils version |
| 17:07.04 | jelly-home | iderik: don't use unetbootin, write the image directly onto the stick |
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| 17:07.26 | jelly-home | !usb install |
| 17:07.26 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 17:07.30 | julius__ | babilen, my c is not that great....what does the code tell about module options? |
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| 17:07.40 | iderik | jelly-home: 6.0.2.1 |
| 17:07.49 | IknoweD | bash question...why do bash wildcards appear to be broken? |
| 17:07.57 | iderik | !usb install |
| 17:07.57 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 17:08.09 | julius__ | IknoweD, theres a #bash room |
| 17:08.12 | julius__ | they will know |
| 17:08.13 | lancelot_of | babilen, does that cpufrequtils version solve also the temp sensor issue (that related to thinkfan)? |
| 17:08.22 | IknoweD | #julius, thanks |
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| 17:08.38 | babilen | julius__: Forget that link -- That option is *not set* in the Debian kernels (not at all, no module (if possible), not compiled in, nothing) -- If you need it you have to enable it. |
| 17:08.55 | julius__ | ok, done that |
| 17:09.02 | julius__ | babilen, build fails after applying the patches... :( http://paste.pound-python.org/show/10926/ |
| 17:09.35 | jelly-home | babilen: are you a trackpoint lover? a nipple fan? a thinkpad afficionado? |
| 17:09.58 | babilen | lancelot_of: I've read something about it the other day. Not sure if you need tp_smapi or just additional configuration. Just google your specific model and "fan debian" or "fan linux" or so. |
| 17:10.34 | lancelot_of | ok thank you all for support |
| 17:10.39 | babilen | jelly-home: yes, I have a clit mouse -- but I don't use it much |
| 17:10.39 | lancelot_of | have a nice day |
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| 17:10.43 | jelly-home | if you are not, just point the user to thinkwiki.org and let them read away |
| 17:10.43 | lancelot_of | bye |
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| 17:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | julius__: How much are you offering us to read the error messages for you? |
| 17:11.36 | babilen | jelly-home: I've checked thinkwiki and the particular information I was referring to was not there when I read about fan control. That might have changed in the last days, though. |
| 17:12.10 | matjucim | wols_: i can't believe how easy it was, to switch from UW-IMAP to Dovecot |
| 17:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | julius__: The action you need to take is clearly there. |
| 17:12.24 | julius__ | jhutchins_lt, i know the message. but this is just after "apt-get source linux-2.6" the only thing i did was make menuconfig |
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| 17:12.35 | jhutchins_lt | julius__: The action you need to take is clearly there. |
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| 17:12.42 | julius__ | i did do "make mrproper" but running make again fails |
| 17:13.12 | jhutchins_lt | julius__: That's not what it says to do. |
| 17:13.36 | iderik | jelly-home: Do you any idea what i will face after the installation? You see, I have a veryyyy slow connection and these packages arnt done in atleast 3 hours. I rather do it all over again now, instead of wasting those hours :) I hope you understand |
| 17:13.46 | jhutchins_lt | julius__: seriously. Line 45. |
| 17:13.53 | wols_ | matjucim: do you use maildir? |
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| 17:14.30 | julius__ | jhujhiti, it says to run "make mrproper" |
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| 17:14.45 | julius__ | did that as said, but running make after that fails |
| 17:14.56 | wols_ | julius__: it doesn't say to run make after that |
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| 17:15.19 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: The only way we would know would be if you were to tell us exactly what hardware you have and if one of us happens to have the same hardware. |
| 17:15.27 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: For most people there are no real issues. |
| 17:15.44 | julius__ | wols_, true. i did fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen setup_amd64_none_amd64 after make mrproper what else can i do? |
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| 17:16.11 | matjucim | wols_: what's maildir ? |
| 17:16.32 | matjucim | wols_: no, mbox |
| 17:16.51 | wols_ | matjucim:so you can't create subfolders inside folders? |
| 17:16.57 | julius__ | matjucim, maildir is another way of storing your mails, the "never" version of mbox |
| 17:17.14 | matjucim | wols_: i have directories in my folder collection. |
| 17:17.18 | iderik | jhutchins_lt: Do you need exact version of each component? Its kinda hard to remember and I cant see it now, since my harddrives are wiped out. Since both ubuntu and archlinux did fine, i though this would too. |
| 17:17.27 | matjucim | julius__: "never" ? |
| 17:17.54 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: It would only matter if I happened to have the same hardware myself. Chances are low. |
| 17:17.55 | matjucim | julius__: it's so different, it's hardly a version of mbox. that means one file per email, right ? |
| 17:17.56 | julius__ | newer |
| 17:18.13 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: I think your best bet is to just go for it and if you do have issues, come ask specific questions. |
| 17:18.18 | julius__ | a second ago you asked what it is at all |
| 17:18.38 | julius__ | ok its not another mbox |
| 17:18.41 | jelly-home | iderik: presumably you won't get the (mor conservative) installer kernel up, so if the distro packaged kernel fails to boot, you're going to be stuck with an unbootable system? |
| 17:18.42 | boudiccas | matjucim; mbox is when you get one file for /all/ the emails in your folder |
| 17:18.47 | wols_ | matjucim: I mean directories inside other directories? |
| 17:19.02 | jelly-home | iderik: this is just wild-ass guessing |
| 17:19.25 | iderik | jelly-home: i guess ill download a full and proper image and start over again. thanks for all the help! |
| 17:20.05 | jelly-home | iderik: you alread have a valid image, just didn't put it on the stick the supported way |
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| 17:20.19 | Ovomaltine | hi |
| 17:20.34 | matjucim | wols_: i mean my ~/Mail has ~/Mail/old/ and ~/Mail/sent-mail-2010/ and other directories containing MBOX files. |
| 17:20.59 | Ovomaltine | is it possible to use eterm with support a mouse actions ? |
| 17:20.59 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: If you use unetbootin it's usually best to let it download the image itself. |
| 17:21.16 | wols_ | matjucim: does it have ~/Mail/old/2011 and ~/Mail/old/2010 ? |
| 17:21.45 | wols_ | matjucim: or ratehr, are such folders possible? |
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| 17:22.00 | xelister | hi |
| 17:22.13 | xelister | is debian stable nowdays less stable then it used to be? |
| 17:22.22 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: Do you have a working linux system now? |
| 17:22.34 | xelister | it's general felling I get from few fellow debian users. not to mention bugginess of debian testing |
| 17:22.36 | mns | I did 'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade' and after rebooting to the 3.0.0 kernel on my ThinkPad, I can no longer go hibernate the laptop or suspend it. |
| 17:22.47 | mns | anyone seeing something similar ? |
| 17:22.59 | wols_ | xelister: you talk bullshit right there. think more before you type please |
| 17:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: You could just burn the netinst.iso to a CD, or if you have linux you can cat *netinst.iso > /dev/<usbdevice> |
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| 17:23.14 | matjucim | wols_: i never tried having that many levels. it never seemed like it would be a good idea. |
| 17:23.28 | Ovomaltine | anyone could answer please ? |
| 17:23.35 | wols_ | matjucim: normally, mbox can't. more modern formats like maildir can |
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| 17:24.21 | matjucim | wols_: but i don't want to have one file per mail. |
| 17:24.22 | xelister | wols_: e.g. there is still a bug, in debian testing, that makes using VMs (via popular vm-builder method) impossible on debian afair Testing - since some bug related to not creating needed /var/ directory for dnsmasq |
| 17:24.48 | wols_ | xelister: it's testing. does that ring any bell? |
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| 17:25.10 | xelister | wols_: stable does not work on this computer - kernel doesn't support hardware |
| 17:25.14 | Ovomaltine | is it possible to use eterm with support a mouse actions ? |
| 17:25.17 | julius__ | ah looks like my command was entirely wrong. |
| 17:25.43 | iderik | jhutchins_lt: im on my laptop now, ubuntu. i am downloading the CD image (netinst), should it work with usbkeys too? |
| 17:25.46 | wols_ | ,kernels |
| 17:25.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 17:26.05 | wols_ | xelister: see the squeeze backports kernel? and this one can be even used with an installer. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:26.34 | wols_ | iderik: yes. simply dd it to your usb stick |
| 17:26.43 | iderik | wols_: thanks :) |
| 17:26.53 | matjucim | wols_: anyway, thanks for the help, you and other people. Have a nice day. |
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| 17:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: Yes, you don't need unetbootin. |
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| 17:28.03 | iderik | oh, i am so excited to set debian as my primary and only OS :) |
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| 17:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: Did you look at the install guide? |
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| 17:30.13 | john3voltas | greetings |
| 17:30.20 | john3voltas | i'm running debian squeeze on an hp laptop. i've set up the keyboard for Portuguese (my native) but now my AtlGr doesn't work properly. For instance, i can't write an "at" sign to go with email addresses. |
| 17:30.55 | john3voltas | to set the keyboard map up, i've used these instructions http://www.malcolmhardie.com/weblogs/angus/2006/05/02/change-console-keyboard-layout-in-debian/ |
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| 17:33.53 | wols_ | !keymap |
| 17:33.53 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 17:35.33 | mcgreg | hi |
| 17:35.49 | mcgreg | even though I installed alsa-oss I have no /dev/dsp - is that normal? |
| 17:36.00 | mcgreg | do I need to do some additional? |
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| 17:37.14 | john3voltas | dpkg: mostly, my keyboard works. all my special Portuguese characters can be typed. What doesn't work is the AltGr+other_keys. |
| 17:37.14 | dpkg | john3voltas: what are you talking about? |
| 17:38.25 | john3voltas | for instance, i chose the generic 105 keys keyboard because there isn't an 85 keys keyboard in the list. |
| 17:38.30 | john3voltas | could that be it? |
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| 17:39.30 | wols_ | mcgreg: lsmod |grep oss |
| 17:39.51 | wols_ | mcgreg: snd-pcm-oss kernel module must be loaded |
| 17:39.54 | iderik | jhutchins_lt: Look what i found in the installation guide :) "The error message that is most likely to be displayed is that no kernel modules can be found. This means that the version of the kernel module udebs included on the CD image is different from the version of the running kernel." |
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| 17:40.43 | iderik | jhutchins_lt: so unetbootin installed the wrong version? |
| 17:41.10 | mcgreg | wols_: fixed. thank you |
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| 17:41.34 | babilen | iderik: unetbootin is not supported and known not to work -- use the method outlined in the installation guide or burn the image to a CD/DVD |
| 17:42.01 | john3voltas | dpkg: have i explained it properly this time? |
| 17:42.03 | dpkg | john3voltas: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:42.09 | john3voltas | ok |
| 17:42.17 | babilen | john3voltas: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:42.29 | abrotman | julius__: why not? |
| 17:42.39 | john3voltas | lol, ok. thanks babilen ;) |
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| 17:44.01 | john3voltas | my qwerty keyboard has some special characters specific to my native language. they all work properly since i've set the keymap using the above mentioned instructions. |
| 17:44.22 | john3voltas | here's one of the special characters á |
| 17:44.38 | john3voltas | which means, mey keymap has been setup and is working |
| 17:45.04 | john3voltas | what doesn't work is the AltGr key combined with the number keys |
| 17:45.33 | john3voltas | meaning, i can't type the pound sign, euro, sign, square brackets, etc |
| 17:46.01 | john3voltas | does anyone know what i'm talking about? |
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| 17:47.26 | jelly-home | !keymap |
| 17:47.26 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 17:48.09 | john3voltas | jelly-home: why are you calling the bot? |
| 17:48.13 | jelly-home | john3voltas: which keymap are you using? |
| 17:48.14 | babilen | john3voltas: which method did you use and do you run a desktop environment such as gnome -- you want to configure the third level chooser |
| 17:48.22 | john3voltas | pt-latin1 |
| 17:48.40 | john3voltas | babilen: i'm not using gnome. i'm using jwm. |
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| 17:49.08 | jelly-home | john3voltas: "latin1" doesn't sound like it would contain euro sign? |
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| 17:49.49 | john3voltas | jelly-home: i'm not only after the euro sign. i'm after many signs. |
| 17:50.10 | john3voltas | and the euro sign is also typed using AltGr+e |
| 17:50.34 | john3voltas | babilen: i set the keymap such as dpkg has been telling me to do. |
| 17:51.00 | john3voltas | babilen: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 17:51.28 | jelly-home | john3voltas: is it the same both in X and in console? |
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| 17:51.42 | john3voltas | errr, don't know jelly-home |
| 17:52.11 | john3voltas | nope |
| 17:52.12 | babilen | john3voltas: ok, not sure what the correct keyboard/keymap is for you, but you probably want to make sure that the third level chooser is configured corrected (i.e. lv3:ralt_switch in /etc/default/keyboard) |
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| 17:52.46 | john3voltas | on the console my AltGr key works but then some of my native language special signs cannot be typed. |
| 17:52.49 | jelly-home | john3voltas: pastebin the output of setxkbmap -query, for a start |
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| 17:53.01 | babilen | john3voltas: But you configure that with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" -- I have, unfortunately, no experience with portuguese keymaps |
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| 17:53.22 | john3voltas | babilen: thanks anyways |
| 17:53.29 | wols_ | !pt |
| 17:53.29 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 17:53.32 | john3voltas | jelly-home: will get that info right away |
| 17:53.34 | wols_ | they should have tons :) |
| 17:53.38 | babilen | john3voltas: Is lv3:ralt_switch set? |
| 17:53.46 | john3voltas | just a sec |
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| 17:54.44 | john3voltas | jelly-home: setxkbmap -query says Error! Option "-query" not recognized |
| 17:54.56 | iderik | Usbkey installation: Do I need to format (clean) my media before moving over the debianimage? I used to have and older image on it. Or does "zcat image > media" do that for me? |
| 17:54.57 | jelly-home | blink |
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| 17:55.47 | jelly-home | john3voltas: what about setxkbmap -v? |
| 17:55.59 | jelly-home | I don't have squeeze with X nearby |
| 17:56.35 | babilen | iderik: You just "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" (where X has to be replaced) |
| 17:56.52 | john3voltas | babilen: output of /etc/default/keyboard here http://pastebin.com/2ATHJsVA |
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| 17:57.26 | iderik | babilen: what is boot.img.gz for? booting? is that what unetbootin used to do for me? |
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| 17:58.04 | babilen | iderik: No, you download the netinstall iso (the image you would also burn to a CD) and cat that to the usb stick |
| 17:58.04 | S4nD3r | Hi there. how to reinstall a i915 driver to video card? It's looks broken. Any help? |
| 17:58.10 | john3voltas | jelly-home: with -v http://pastebin.com/W2UqKUqY |
| 17:58.29 | babilen | iderik: boot.img.gz is needed for the "flexible way" |
| 17:58.41 | enjoycrf | hi |
| 17:58.46 | enjoycrf | i <3 debian |
| 17:59.03 | john3voltas | enjoycrf: who doesn't? |
| 17:59.06 | an0 | thinks we all do. |
| 17:59.15 | julius__ | abrotman, to what do you refer? |
| 17:59.19 | jhutchins_lt | iderik: How about reading the install guide? |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | julius__: if that was for humans :) |
| 17:59.41 | julius__ | ah |
| 17:59.59 | julius__ | well it looks complicated and something like building a kernel shoudl really be simpler |
| 18:00.09 | julius__ | and of course it failed the first time.... |
| 18:00.34 | julius__ | abrotman, make menuconfig && fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch is running for some time now, looks promissing |
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| 18:00.49 | abrotman | good |
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| 18:01.20 | john3voltas | wols_: debian-pt is not working for me. are you sure it is registered? |
| 18:01.26 | jelly-home | julius__: does AltGr+e start working after setxkbmap -options eurosign:e |
| 18:01.40 | john3voltas | let me see |
| 18:02.01 | jelly-home | john3voltas: sorry, setxkbmap -option eurosign:e |
| 18:02.05 | john3voltas | np |
| 18:02.05 | babilen | julius__: Are you following 4.5 or 4.6 in the kernel handbook? |
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| 18:02.34 | enjoycrf | ya but |
| 18:02.41 | enjoycrf | cairo dock doesnt suport debian |
| 18:02.55 | iderik | babilen: but.. it says "The easy way: copy boot.img.gz to the media" :O |
| 18:03.03 | john3voltas | root@meow:~# setxkbmap -options eurosign:e |
| 18:03.03 | john3voltas | Error! Option "-options" not recognized |
| 18:03.08 | babilen | john3voltas: us has a variant called "euro" that enabled that .. |
| 18:03.55 | babilen | iderik: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 â 4.3.1 |
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| 18:04.12 | jelly-home | john3voltas: sorry, setxkbmap -option eurosign:e |
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| 18:04.32 | john3voltas | aha, and i missed it too because i copied |
| 18:04.43 | helo | files in /etc/rc?.d/ that start with S are used, and those startingw ith K are ignored, right? |
| 18:04.55 | jelly-home | helo: wrong |
| 18:05.10 | enjoycrf | anyone using mint debian? |
| 18:05.11 | john3voltas | btw, why is the help of setxkbmap called with -? instead of --help? |
| 18:05.15 | ompaul | !mint |
| 18:05.15 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 18:05.29 | ompaul | enjoycrf: I guess the answer is "that is offtopic" |
| 18:06.04 | jelly-home | john3voltas: --longstyle options are a FSF/GNU idiom |
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| 18:06.31 | helo | jelly-home: apparently that applies to /etc/rc2.d/ (the readme says to rename to K from S to disable) |
| 18:06.52 | helo | jelly-home: but it doesn't apply to rc6.d/, as some K* scripts are executed on shutdown |
| 18:06.55 | john3voltas | jelly-home: i see, thx |
| 18:06.55 | babilen | helo: they are not ignored |
| 18:07.15 | john3voltas | jelly-home: eurosign:e does not help |
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| 18:08.15 | helo | /etc/rc2.d/README says "To disable a service in this runlevel, rename its script in this directory so that the new name begins with a K and a two-digit number" |
| 18:08.31 | john3voltas | wols_: should #debian-pt be registered? can't find anyone there. |
| 18:08.34 | babilen | john3voltas: Could you try "setxkbmap -layout py -variant euro" please? |
| 18:08.39 | jhutchins_lt | helo: S is start, K is kill. |
| 18:08.47 | iderik | babilen: thanks! i got in to this page, somehow: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html |
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| 18:08.56 | john3voltas | jelly-home: Error loading new keyboard description |
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| 18:09.16 | babilen | john3voltas: err -- replace py with pt in there |
| 18:09.24 | john3voltas | ah, ok |
| 18:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | helo: It's easier to use a utility like rcconf or chkconfig to manage them. |
| 18:09.59 | john3voltas | jelly-home: still Error loading new keyboard description |
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| 18:10.52 | helo | jhutchins_lt: perhaps with internet access ;) |
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| 18:11.39 | john3voltas | babilen: still Error loading new keyboard description |
| 18:12.31 | babilen | john3voltas: ok, one second -- guess that I actually have to check on pt keymaps -- there should be a brazilian channel that might be more active than pt |
| 18:12.35 | babilen | !tell john3voltas -about br |
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| 18:14.15 | john3voltas | babilen: why would i go to a pt/br channel to know something that might not be language specific? |
| 18:14.43 | S4nD3r | Could you please, tell me the process to install a i915 driver to video card? This looks broken and is not working properly. |
| 18:14.47 | john3voltas | couldn't it be the kind of keyboard being set to generic 105 keys when in fact it is only 85 keys? |
| 18:16.16 | julius__ | babilen, none of them. but now that you say it 4.5 looks like the right starting point...somehow i was using commands from farther above |
| 18:16.44 | john3voltas | besides, a Brazillian keyboard does not even look close to a Portuguese keyboard |
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| 18:21.31 | babilen | john3voltas: I can find no eurosign definition in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pt :- |
| 18:22.22 | john3voltas | but i'm not only after the eurosign, babilen |
| 18:22.29 | john3voltas | what about the pound sign? |
| 18:22.36 | john3voltas | or the square brackets |
| 18:22.41 | john3voltas | just to name a few |
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| 18:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | I think there is a utility to display the current keyboard map graphically. |
| 18:23.41 | john3voltas | babilen: could this be connected to the fact that i set up a generic 105 keys? this is a laptop with 85 keys. |
| 18:23.50 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if "apt-get dist-upgrade" and "aptitude full-upgrade" consult any file other than /etc/apt/sources.list to determine which package versions to upgraded to? |
| 18:24.01 | jhutchins_lt | john3voltas: My @ is Shift-2. |
| 18:24.24 | john3voltas | you're using uk/us, not pt keymap, right? |
| 18:24.34 | jhutchins_lt | john3voltas: Right. |
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| 18:24.39 | john3voltas | exactly |
| 18:24.40 | babilen | john3voltas: indeed |
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| 18:24.44 | wols_ | kingsley: of course they do. sources.list has not a single package version inside. only repos |
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| 18:24.53 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: Yes. |
| 18:25.40 | Multiply | If a package fails to configure, is there a way to stop it from doing that, every time I install a new package? |
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| 18:25.58 | john3voltas | this is not a 1st time this happens to me in Linux. Fedora, Ubuntu, Puppy, etc did not give me troubles with keymap, though |
| 18:26.05 | kingsley | wols_ & jhutchins_lt: Oops. You're right of course. |
| 18:26.21 | john3voltas | last time this happened was with...Debian in '96 |
| 18:26.36 | babilen | john3voltas: I don't know, you could try different variants -- I don't think that the 105 is a problem as you are just missing the number pad. what does xev report for those keys? What happens with "setxkbmap -layout pt -variant nodeadkeys" ? |
| 18:27.01 | babilen | john3voltas: I have not run into anything like this for years, many year |
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| 18:27.04 | babilen | s |
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| 18:28.01 | john3voltas | babilen: setxkbmap -layout pt -variant nodeadkeys didn't help too |
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| 18:28.11 | john3voltas | i miss the concept of deadkeys |
| 18:28.16 | kingsley | wols_ & jhutchins_lt: I should have asked if "apt-get dist-upgrade" and "aptitude full-upgrade" consult any file other than /etc/apt/sources.list to determine which *distribution* (like lenny, sid, etc...) to upgrade packages to. Do you happen to know? |
| 18:28.20 | john3voltas | what exactly are deadkeys? |
| 18:28.23 | coreyman | Hi I'm having a problem installing mysql in debian. It always says this... http://pastebin.com/b0sGB4C8 ...... also /etc/my.cnf doesn't exist. What's going on? |
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| 18:29.14 | wols_ | !tell kingsley about pinning |
| 18:29.42 | wols_ | kingsley: by default, the newest packages (highest version numbers) from the repos available via sources.list are fetched. but you can change that |
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| 18:29.57 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: The tools use sources.list to retrieve lists of packages. The entries there determine which lists are downloaded. These are compared with the list of currently installed packages. |
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| 18:30.20 | babilen | kingsley: yes, it does -- there are lists in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for example as well as apt.conf ... |
| 18:30.24 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: The release name is really only a pointer to the catalog. |
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| 18:31.01 | wols_ | coreyman: check your logs my mysql fails to start |
| 18:31.27 | coreyman | wols_ there is no my.cnf file.... |
| 18:31.35 | jhutchins_lt | coreyman: You may need more than one package, although the metapackage should pull all of them. Sounds like you don't have all the files. |
| 18:31.44 | wols_ | coreyman: answer my question |
| 18:32.01 | coreyman | jhutchines_lt yes i was hoping to find the answer to that here :) |
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| 18:32.07 | wols_ | coreyman: and have you had mysql installed before? |
| 18:32.12 | coreyman | wols_ fresh install |
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| 18:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | coreyman: I have -client, -common, -core, and -server. |
| 18:33.14 | coreyman | jhutchins_lt what order should I install those? |
| 18:33.22 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: mysql-server is fine for mysql to run |
| 18:33.30 | wols_ | rest are dependencies |
| 18:33.39 | coreyman | wols_ well it fails with what I pastebined you |
| 18:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | coreyman: aptitude -f install maybe? |
| 18:34.02 | wols_ | coreyman: and I told you to look at your logs |
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| 18:34.33 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: that won't wotk. his debconf postinst file errors since starting mysql doesn't work. but he refuses to tell us why it doesn't start |
| 18:34.33 | coreyman | wols_ wouldn't it say the same thing as what I just pastebinned? what log do i check. |
| 18:34.44 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | john3voltas: This might be useful: http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/113715 |
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| 18:35.26 | coreyman | wols_ mysql.err or mysql.log |
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| 18:36.08 | coreyman | wols_ both of those files are empty |
| 18:36.23 | coreyman | wols_ and the directory /var/log/mysql is empty |
| 18:36.37 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i have followed this guide a around 10 times : http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html to my debian machine login into another debian machine without a password. every time i folowed the guide it just still asks for a password what am i doing wrong? |
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| 18:37.29 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: ssh-copy-id <targethost> |
| 18:37.50 | simonlnu | i bet that mysql problem is in the bts... |
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| 18:39.52 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt i tryed dont work |
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| 18:40.16 | ws2k3 | i runned ssh-copy-id -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub server@84.27.25.180 |
| 18:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 18:40.36 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 18:40.52 | ws2k3 | it still asks for password |
| 18:41.06 | ws2k3 | do i maby have to use the private key? |
| 18:41.21 | john3voltas | jhutchins_lt: interesting article |
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| 18:42.02 | rozie | hi. have strange problem with apt on one system |
| 18:42.04 | rozie | http://pastebin.com/359QUSpT |
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| 18:42.17 | rozie | any ideas what can be cause/solution? |
| 18:42.18 | babilen | john3voltas: fwiw -- I get ⬠on altgr+e, £ on altgr-3 with "setxkbmap -layout pt -variant basic" |
| 18:42.38 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: This works if you do it properly. |
| 18:42.46 | john3voltas | babilen: let me check that |
| 18:42.58 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: It may depend on how your sshd is configured, but with the default configuration it works. |
| 18:43.03 | ws2k3 | yeah i know. first time i did it it did worked but not it does not for some reason |
| 18:43.07 | ws2k3 | and i dont know why |
| 18:43.21 | john3voltas | babilen: do i have to restart x to try it? |
| 18:43.30 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Without knowing what you did and what the results were all we can tell you is that it does work if you follow the directions. |
| 18:43.32 | babilen | john3voltas: no, just execute the command |
| 18:43.33 | john3voltas | because i haven't been restarting x |
| 18:43.46 | john3voltas | ok, then it's not working on my pc |
| 18:44.01 | john3voltas | altgr3 produces nothing |
| 18:44.07 | john3voltas | same as altgr2 |
| 18:44.08 | ws2k3 | liek i sad i did this: http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html |
| 18:44.10 | ws2k3 | exacly |
| 18:44.16 | iderik | When writing the image to the usbmemory with "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdc": I cant see how the file ends up in my usbmemory? does it have to do with this "everything is a file"? Anyway, when im booting it says: "Configuration file not found." |
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| 18:44.38 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Is the target machine a debian system with the default configuration? |
| 18:44.42 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 18:44.52 | babilen | john3voltas: and you have installed keyboard-configuration and not console-data? Could you paste "setxkbmap -v" after that command again? |
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| 18:45.00 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: What was the output of the ssh-copy-id command? |
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| 18:45.25 | ws2k3 | Now try logging into the machine, with "ssh 'server@84.27.25.180'", and check in: |
| 18:45.30 | ws2k3 | .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 18:45.33 | babilen | john3voltas: I just thought it might be a good idea to reproduce it locally and I couldn't. I guess it works as you would expect it over here, which leaves the question why it does not for you. |
| 18:45.36 | ws2k3 | to make sure we haven't added extra keys that you weren't expecting. |
| 18:45.49 | babilen | john3voltas: You are running squeeze, aren't you? |
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| 18:46.23 | john3voltas | babilen: squeeze, yes |
| 18:46.27 | john3voltas | babilen: http://pastebin.com/hiibHEGA |
| 18:46.47 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: What was the output of the ssh-copy-id command? |
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| 18:47.41 | john3voltas | babilen: setxkbmap uses keymap files, right? |
| 18:47.48 | john3voltas | where are those files stored? |
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| 18:48.03 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/UXfccRfB |
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| 18:48.10 | ws2k3 | there is the output |
| 18:48.15 | babilen | this is what i get after "setxkbmap -layout pt -variant basic" http://paste.debian.net/126035/ |
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| 18:48.38 | ws2k3 | i removed the .ssh directory on the target machine. to make sure i have a clear start. and then i did this steps |
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| 18:48.51 | babilen | john3voltas: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbol/pt + /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbol/latin (included by pt) |
| 18:49.11 | tynx | Does anyone know if you can unmount /boot once the system is running? |
| 18:49.26 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Does it allow you to log in if you supply the password? |
| 18:49.32 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 18:49.40 | rozie | OK, got the cause of problem. didn't notice 5 not upgraded packages. |
| 18:50.07 | babilen | john3voltas: Hmm, you paste looks pretty OK -- You might want to play with the pc105 setting, but I am not sure what to use instead. |
| 18:50.13 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/d7a4cS2B |
| 18:50.16 | jhutchins_lt | paste the contents of server/.ssh/authorized_keys from 84.27.25.180 please |
| 18:50.24 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse |
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| 18:51.04 | wols_ | coreyman: then start mysqld manually |
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| 18:51.12 | babilen | john3voltas: But it might be worth a try to restart X and set that again (you still have the eurosign setting lingering around) -- just to make sure. I would love to be able to reproduce your problem though. |
| 18:51.17 | john3voltas | babilen: both files are there, which means that it ain't because of them |
| 18:51.40 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt i cant post the entire rule because its to long |
| 18:51.51 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 18:51.59 | ws2k3 | its start with : ssh-rsa AAAAB3Nza and ends with 5h3NTQbD8BZje+oGOYvrgHp498WsY44VvaMXf root@localhost |
| 18:52.08 | iderik | When writing the image to the usbmemory with "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdc": I cant see how the file ends up in my usbmemory? does it have to do with this "everything is a file"? Anyway, when im booting it says: "Configuration file not found." It feels like im just creating a file on my harddrive instead of on the usbmemory. |
| 18:52.10 | john3voltas | babilen: if i restart x all my x apps will be killed, right? |
| 18:52.42 | enjoycrf | ahm ya |
| 18:52.43 | ws2k3 | or do u need more info jhutchins_lt? |
| 18:52.48 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Hm, that doesn't sound right... |
| 18:52.48 | john3voltas | and how exactly do i restart x without using the crtl+alt+backspace because it doesn't work on my pc too. |
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| 18:53.25 | john3voltas | babilen: what would be the best setxkbmap setting for me? |
| 18:53.29 | babilen | john3voltas: I've just switched to pc105 and it is still working (as expected) |
| 18:53.45 | john3voltas | babilen: but are you on an 85 key laptop? |
| 18:53.46 | sixyearsofdreams | if i was to update my MX records on my host, php mail() function be sending notifications to my users via this MX record |
| 18:53.49 | babilen | john3voltas: yes |
| 18:53.54 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt how u mean? |
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| 18:54.08 | john3voltas | this is just getting weirder |
| 18:54.15 | babilen | john3voltas: or rather: I have a few more, but that doesn't matter |
| 18:54.26 | john3voltas | babilen: what would be the best setxkbmap setting for me? |
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| 18:55.21 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: ls -la .ssh from the remote please. |
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| 18:55.57 | jhutchins_lt | !hostname |
| 18:55.57 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 18:56.08 | ws2k3 | -rw------- 1 server server 396 Aug 12 20:47 authorized_keys |
| 18:56.26 | babilen | john3voltas: the one you have right now probably -- you haven't answered my earlier question about keyboar-configuration/console-data btw -- it would also be interesting to know how you start x and to take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (setxkbmap should work though) |
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| 18:57.00 | ws2k3 | what are u trying to say with that? |
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| 18:57.43 | babilen | john3voltas: but I just can not reproduce the error -- can you try it in pure X (i.e. no jvm) ? (start with: X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm) and run setxkbmap there too? |
| 18:58.56 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt:? i dont understand what u mean |
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| 18:59.12 | babilen | john3voltas: and other linux systems worked on that laptop out of the box? |
| 18:59.25 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: It could be permissions on that file. |
| 19:00.03 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Only other thing to check is that you have RSAAuthentication yes and PubkeyAuthentication yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf |
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| 19:00.58 | ws2k3 | i have changed chmod to 755 and still dont work gonne check the sshd conf now |
| 19:01.04 | ws2k3 | on target machine i assume? |
| 19:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Try chmod 640 .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:01.26 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Yes. |
| 19:01.50 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Remember to restart sshd if you change the config. |
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| 19:02.10 | roue | hola |
| 19:02.31 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Also .ssh itself should be -rwx------ |
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| 19:03.06 | ws2k3 | how can i view if that is correct |
| 19:03.19 | ws2k3 | 4 drwx------ 2 server server 4096 Aug 12 20:47 .ssh |
| 19:03.39 | roue | I have a lenny box on a single SATA drive with three partitions ( /boot, /, and swap ). I'd like to do a clean upgrade to squeeze. Is there any way I can run DI so it preserves the /home directory on / but wipes out everything else for a clean install? |
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| 19:04.00 | roue | I have a backup of /home but it's largish, and I don't want to spend a day doing the restore. |
| 19:04.04 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: That's correct. |
| 19:04.10 | ws2k3 | RSAAuthentication yes |
| 19:04.10 | ws2k3 | PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 19:04.10 | ws2k3 | #AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 19:04.18 | ws2k3 | maby remove the #? |
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| 19:04.28 | mjt | it's the default |
| 19:04.39 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: No, that is just a comment showing the default and how to change it. |
| 19:04.50 | ws2k3 | aah ok |
| 19:04.54 | ws2k3 | well as u see its enabled |
| 19:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: See if there's anything in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:06.50 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: I'm afraid I can't think of anything else to check, except maybe the /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 19:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: The only other thing I can think of is to set the hostname properly on the local machine and try re-generating and copying the key. I don't really think that matters at all though. |
| 19:08.26 | ws2k3 | i use pico as text editor can i go to the end of the file? |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: isn't it authorized_keys2 now ? |
| 19:08.40 | abrotman | can't remember |
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| 19:11.55 | jamessalty | http://debconf11.debconf.org/watch.xhtml this video doe snot seem to be working |
| 19:12.11 | ws2k3 | i think it found something |
| 19:12.11 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/QDr8RDZ3 |
| 19:12.39 | simonlnu | doe snot? eeew |
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| 19:13.57 | iluminator101 | W: GPG error: http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 19:14.57 | taleon | hi |
| 19:15.07 | iluminator101 | i had no problems before all of sudden this....i tried update the keys subkeys server is not responding |
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| 19:16.37 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt what could that mean? |
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| 19:16.59 | iluminator101 | --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv-keys --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 473041FA |
| 19:16.59 | iluminator101 | gpg: requesting key 473041FA from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net |
| 19:17.28 | bernhard1 | cant see to remove apache with apt-get remove apache2 |
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| 19:17.44 | bernhard1 | Cant remove virtual packages ?? |
| 19:18.31 | iderik | When writing the image to the usbmemory with "cat linux.iso > /dev/sdc": I cant see how the file ends up in my usbmemory? does it have to do with this "everything is a file"? Anyway, when im booting it says: "Configuration file not found." It feels like im just creating a file on my harddrive instead of on the usbmemory. |
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| 19:20.11 | bernhard1 | web my server starts it says.. starting webserver: apache2 |
| 19:20.20 | bernhard1 | apt-get remove apache2 says it is not installed |
| 19:20.23 | bernhard1 | ?? |
| 19:20.35 | Uchiha_Itachi | bernhard1: dpkg -l apache |
| 19:20.59 | Uchiha_Itachi | then use apt-get remove with the right name |
| 19:21.28 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: That looks like it. |
| 19:21.43 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Ownership or permissions on /home/server |
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| 19:21.57 | jhutchins_lt | ls -ld /home/server |
| 19:21.58 | bernhard1 | <Uchiha_Itachi> status=Not/Inst etc |
| 19:22.02 | ws2k3 | but as u saw i can login when i just do ssh server@84..... |
| 19:22.16 | ws2k3 | drwxrwxrwx 11 server server 4096 Aug 12 20:47 /home/server |
| 19:22.21 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Means that the ssh daemon can't reach the public key file. |
| 19:22.25 | Uchiha_Itachi | bernhard1: dpkg -l httpd ? |
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| 19:24.00 | ws2k3 | strange.. why if u login as server on that machine i can read the file.. |
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| 19:24.24 | DexterF | if I move a debian installation (only one big / ) from one VM to another VM and reinstall grub there - should work? am I not seeing something? |
| 19:24.28 | wols_ | Uchiha_Itachi: if you don't know the precise package name, use dpkg -l |grep apache. much better results |
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| 19:24.58 | wols_ | DexterF: should work. UUID might throw a wrench in the works, but generally it works. what error(s) do you see? |
| 19:24.58 | Aut0ExeC | soz... dumb question.... concerning networking.. i'm using virtualbox and I just added a network card... whats the proper way to configure...? |
| 19:25.24 | wols_ | Aut0ExeC: depends how you want to configure it. there are at least 3 different possibilities |
| 19:25.37 | wols_ | Aut0ExeC: /etc/network/interfaces will work always. man interfaces |
| 19:25.54 | DexterF | wols_: none so far, I just did not want to attempt moving the whole inst across the network when I'm bound for FAIL anyway. I'll just see how far it takes me. |
| 19:26.13 | Aut0ExeC | wols_: so listen... if i add 3 cards... then i would just have to go up in virtual "ethx" devices? |
| 19:26.21 | wols_ | bernhard1: you want to remove the apache common package btw. and possibly purge it |
| 19:26.29 | Aut0ExeC | wols_: for examlple.. "eth1, eth2, eth3" etc etc?> |
| 19:26.35 | wols_ | Aut0ExeC: sure. you can check what interfaces you have with ifconfig -a |
| 19:26.49 | Aut0ExeC | wols_: that wont show the ones i havent configured yet tho |
| 19:26.53 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: try chmod -w go /home/server (as root) |
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| 19:26.55 | wols_ | bernhard1: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 19:26.57 | wols_ | Aut0ExeC: it will |
| 19:27.05 | Aut0ExeC | oh yes ur right |
| 19:27.06 | Aut0ExeC | lol |
| 19:27.08 | Aut0ExeC | thanks for that |
| 19:27.34 | Aut0ExeC | awesome |
| 19:27.44 | chrissbx | Sorry, been interrupted. What is /dev/srX? I thought those are cdrom drives? Which would match this external USB drive by WD: kernel messages say that a cdrom has been detected then another drive. But mount /dev/sr1 $somewhere doens't work, gives I/O errors in kernel. Why? |
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| 19:27.53 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt how u mean go? |
| 19:28.00 | ws2k3 | i get an error if u run that command |
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| 19:28.12 | wols_ | chrissbx: what is the kernel output after you plug in the external drive? |
| 19:28.16 | ws2k3 | chmod: cannot access `go': No such file or directory |
| 19:28.17 | ws2k3 | chmod: /home/server: new permissions are r-xrwxrwx, not r-xr-xr-x |
| 19:28.55 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: what we want is drwxr-xr-x |
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| 19:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Try chmod go -w |
| 19:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: I must've got 'em backwards. |
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| 19:29.50 | davis | hello |
| 19:29.54 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: you need chmod u+w as well. |
| 19:30.01 | davis | anyone here work in a large server room? |
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| 19:30.22 | jhutchins_lt | I always foudn it a pain that ls defaults to alpha and all the docs regarding chmod were numeric. |
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| 19:30.41 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt so what command i need to run now? |
| 19:30.55 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Get the permissions set correctly. |
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| 19:31.06 | wols_ | !tell davis about anyone |
| 19:31.46 | chrissbx | wols_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/123995 |
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| 19:32.29 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt: even with drwxrwxrwx 11 server server 4096 Aug 12 20:47 /home/server it still gives the error |
| 19:32.47 | chrissbx | wols_: the messages till 15:03:43 are what appeared after plugging in. The subsequent messages from my attempts accessing either sdb or sr1 |
| 19:32.56 | chrissbx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.21 | wols_ | chrissbx: why do you want to access this special cd rom drive? there is nothing on it for you |
| 19:33.41 | ws2k3 | chmod 777 /home/server/.ssh/authorized_keys. same error |
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| 19:35.42 | iderik | jhutchins_lt: could you please answer my question? |
| 19:36.20 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: I think it's giving the error because the directory is insecure. I'm not sure, but mine are rwxr-xr-x |
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| 19:37.03 | wols_ | iderik: your usb stick is a file, just like your harddisk. and you write the installer simply directly on the usb stick with that. no partition table or such |
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| 19:37.41 | chrissbx | wols_: I wanted to read what's on it, because my buddy can't access this drive and he asked me to figure out how to solve it |
| 19:37.46 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Checking another system they're a mix of rwxr-xr-x and rwx--x--x |
| 19:38.06 | ws2k3 | http://www.question-defense.com/2009/03/23/authentication-refused-bad-ownership-or-modes-for-file-sshauthorized_keys |
| 19:38.13 | ws2k3 | now i get another error.. |
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| 19:38.17 | chrissbx | wols_: he doesn't even get the virtual CD drive, so I am hoping to be able to access it. Should be straightforward to mount a cdrom, no?...:) |
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| 19:38.33 | ws2k3 | this error is gone: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file /home/server/.ssh/authorized_keys. but now i get: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file /home/server/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:39.13 | iderik | wols_: i am trying to figure out why i get that error while booting. ive tried to remove /dev/sdc and created it again. were there something important on that file that needs to be there, when i append debian.iso to that? or does ">" operator overwrite? thanks for helping me |
| 19:39.22 | chrissbx | (wols_: PS., he's on windows (which is the OS this drive seems to be meant for)) |
| 19:39.27 | wols_ | chrissbx: who knows since it's a fake cdrom. and for you underlinux there is NOTHING there. it holds WD software to encrypt and decrypt the drive. for windows only |
| 19:39.39 | ws2k3 | it works:) |
| 19:40.15 | chrissbx | wols_: the problem is that he couldn't even give it to me because I can't do anything with this drive either without accessing the windows exe that allows to unset the password. |
| 19:40.15 | ws2k3 | chmod 755 home/server and chown server.server authorized_keys and chmod 600 authorized_keys. |
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| 19:40.24 | wols_ | iderik: when you cat the iso file to the usb stick EVERYTHING there is overwritten. gone |
| 19:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | http://wiki.debian.org/ssh |
| 19:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Yay! |
| 19:40.54 | wols_ | chrissbx: either you have a (real) windows running, or this data on this drive is useless to you, period |
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| 19:40.59 | ws2k3 | what ur trying to say with that |
| 19:41.03 | ws2k3 | with the link |
| 19:41.21 | wols_ | chrissbx: you sure /dev/sdc is your usb stick? and what is the error again? |
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| 19:43.58 | chrissbx | wols_: sdb (there is no sdc); I would think that this is where the decrypted drive appears, right now it gives I/O errors for all accesses |
| 19:44.01 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt ok now i have made that root@server1 can login to server@84. |
| 19:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Just a reference that might explain what we went through. |
| 19:44.18 | ws2k3 | but can www-data@server1 also login at server@84.. ? |
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| 19:44.52 | ws2k3 | or only root@server1? |
| 19:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Only if www-data has a public key in server's .ssh/authorized_keys file. |
| 19:44.54 | chrissbx | wols_: Well, if you tell me that WD simply managed to build a virtual cdrom that's totally broken and won't work on Linux, that's fine. We're going to return the disk in that case or so. |
| 19:45.08 | ws2k3 | so at this moment no. am i right? |
| 19:45.14 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Right. |
| 19:45.25 | ws2k3 | if i wish to create it i can just use su www-datA? |
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| 19:45.41 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: www-data is not a regular user. |
| 19:45.47 | ws2k3 | i know. |
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| 19:46.19 | ws2k3 | jhutchins i run a .php website i wanne let php start a bash script. that bash script needs to connect to other debian machines. |
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| 19:47.01 | Cyross | Hai |
| 19:47.04 | jar517 | Hi Cyross |
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| 19:47.26 | Cyross | how i can run a file on a debian server? |
| 19:47.37 | Cyross | i try to run a openttd dedicated server |
| 19:47.40 | ws2k3 | cyross depending on the kind of file |
| 19:47.51 | Cyross | how i can check the file type? |
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| 19:48.47 | ws2k3 | cyross proberaly its just a linux binary |
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| 19:48.50 | ws2k3 | try ./filename |
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| 19:49.16 | MarconM | who want to use xmonad on debian |
| 19:49.35 | babilen | MarconM: why? |
| 19:49.45 | ws2k3 | Cyross : http://wiki.openttd.org/Rcon_password#In_Linux |
| 19:49.53 | MarconM | i did a script for automatic install for xmonad |
| 19:49.55 | MarconM | on debian |
| 19:50.03 | MarconM | install debian net install |
| 19:50.19 | MarconM | later run script ... \o |
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| 19:50.32 | MarconM | it install everything and configure ... |
| 19:50.55 | MarconM | emacs, vim, mopc , scrot, snort, xorg, trayer, xmobar |
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| 19:51.18 | MarconM | =D |
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| 19:52.02 | iderik | wols_: i think ive located the problem. when unmounting the device i get an error: "Error detaching: helper exited with exit code 1: Detaching device /dev/sdc. There is no special device file." Ive tried to google but no result |
| 19:52.08 | jonesst1 | Hi, im trying to upgrade debian 5.0 and Im getting a GPG error it says the archive key is invalid |
| 19:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: You need to supply your php script with a username. |
| 19:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: I don't write PHP code myself. |
| 19:52.53 | babilen | jonesst1: Are you following the release notes? At which step are you? |
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| 19:53.11 | jonesst1 | im just typing apt-get update |
| 19:53.21 | babilen | jonesst1: What have you done so far? |
| 19:53.22 | jonesst1 | and its telling me to do that again |
| 19:53.44 | babilen | jonesst1: To do what again? |
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| 19:54.02 | jonesst1 | re-run apt-get update to "fix" the issue |
| 19:54.14 | Cibort | Hola |
| 19:54.32 | babilen | jonesst1: What have you done so far in order to upgrade to squeeze? Are you following the release notes? |
| 19:54.40 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt how u mean? i dont follow u what i'm trying to do it let a php script run a bash script. that bash script needs to connect to another debian machine trough ssh. means that www-data also needs a ssh keygen |
| 19:54.49 | ws2k3 | thats why i asked u for www-data.. |
| 19:54.55 | jonesst1 | im not updating to squeeze i just want to patch 5.0 |
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| 19:55.34 | babilen | jonesst1: Patch it with what? Please provide more information, my crystal ball is not in mint condition :) |
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| 19:56.13 | babilen | !tell jonesst1 -about bat |
| 19:56.15 | jonesst1 | well update 5.0 so Ive run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade for 10 odd years, its simply normally patches |
| 19:56.58 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: No, the script that needs to connects to the remote system needs to have a valid username. www-data can't log in, and if you made it possible it would be a security hole. |
| 19:57.23 | jonesst1 | I dont want an upgarde to 6.0 as I know squirrelmail is broken if I do |
| 19:57.23 | ws2k3 | aah i understand. |
| 19:57.50 | ws2k3 | jhutchins: maby i then should build a bash script that logs in trouagh ssh? |
| 19:57.58 | ws2k3 | and that www-data can execute that bash script? |
| 19:58.14 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: That's why php scripts usually have a config file where you can set the username. Same general principle as connecting to a mysql server. |
| 19:58.24 | babilen | jonesst1: you mean you get an error when you install security patches? Could you paste that? Please also include the output of "dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring" -- see the private message from dpkg for the rest. |
| 19:58.32 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Nagios is an example of a system that runs scripts on remote systems. |
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| 19:58.43 | jonesst1 | no i cant paste its in a vmware window |
| 19:58.54 | jonesst1 | yes security patches |
| 19:58.57 | babilen | jonesst1: You'll have to upgrade to squeeze eventually though as security support will be dropped for lenny |
| 19:59.03 | jhutchins_lt | jonesst1: Is there a bugreport about squirrelmail breaking on squeeze? |
| 19:59.09 | jonesst1 | yes i know that |
| 19:59.16 | babilen | which version of debian-archive-keyring is installed? |
| 19:59.23 | jonesst1 | but last time i tried it broke the server |
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| 19:59.38 | jonesst1 | so i need to rebuild from scratch i suspect |
| 19:59.51 | jhutchins_lt | jonesst1: Was that before or after it was released? |
| 19:59.55 | jonesst1 | how do i query that? |
| 19:59.56 | babilen | Many people upgrade successfully |
| 20:00.05 | jonesst1 | after 6 was released |
| 20:00.08 | babilen | jonesst1: See above (dpkg -l) |
| 20:00.10 | jhutchins_lt | I run squirrelmail and if upgrading to squeeze breaks it I need to know. |
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| 20:00.37 | babilen | would be surprised if that would not have been reported by now |
| 20:00.53 | jonesst1 | maybe its been fixed |
| 20:01.03 | jonesst1 | i can do a clone and test |
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| 20:01.15 | jonesst1 | but last time it broke my clone |
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| 20:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I would hope so. |
| 20:02.37 | babilen | jonesst1: Would be nice if you could try and report back (and file a bug if it is indeed broken) |
| 20:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | Google only comes up with howtos on "squeeze squirrelmail". |
| 20:03.18 | jonesst1 | hmm so far ive been unable to get squiirelmail on squeeze to work |
| 20:03.31 | jonesst1 | so i mst be mising something |
| 20:03.36 | jonesst1 | hence im still on 5 |
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| 20:04.48 | jonesst1 | all i see is debian-archive 2010.08.20 |
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| 20:05.22 | jonesst1 | ive filed a bug report |
| 20:05.33 | jonesst1 | for this |
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| 20:06.37 | jonesst1 | but i odnt want to have to wait days |
| 20:06.55 | jelly-home | ,versions squirrelmail |
| 20:06.55 | judd | Package squirrelmail on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.15-4+lenny3.1; lenny-proposed-updates: 2:1.4.15-4+lenny5; lenny-security: 2:1.4.15-4+lenny5; squeeze: 2:1.4.21-1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:1.4.21-2; squeeze-security: 2:1.4.21-2; sid: 2:1.4.22-1; wheezy: 2:1.4.22-1; experimental: 2:1.5.1-5 |
| 20:07.00 | jonesst1 | im just doing a full backup then I'd like to patch it |
| 20:07.23 | jelly-home | jonesst1: you tried both 2:1.4.21-1 and 2:1.4.21-2? |
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| 20:08.19 | jonesst1 | jelly it was about 3 or 4 montsh back |
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| 20:08.34 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt yeah but that is more like a network monitor tool.. |
| 20:08.36 | jonesst1 | i backgrounded it until i have time to look at it closer |
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| 20:11.26 | jonesst1 | is there a way to upgarde the gpg signiture? |
| 20:11.43 | jonesst1 | or bypass that check? |
| 20:13.11 | babilen | Which key is it complaining about? |
| 20:14.02 | jonesst1 | the following signitures were invalid BADSIG Debian Archive Automatic signing key |
| 20:14.14 | jonesst1 | 5.0/lenny |
| 20:14.16 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt that system is more like a networking monitor system.. i'm trying to let php login at ssh |
| 20:15.00 | jonesst1 | GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates |
| 20:15.22 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_lt or how do u advice then to let php run some code at anothet debian system? |
| 20:17.38 | wols_ | babilen: just messaging people is a very quick way to annoy them. state your problems in the channel. that's why it's there |
| 20:18.13 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Give it a valid username and password. |
| 20:18.27 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Have a look at nagios. No point in reinventing the wheel. |
| 20:19.39 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: what are you trying to do? PHP supports SSH |
| 20:19.39 | babilen | wols_: ENICK? |
| 20:20.07 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 i'm trying to let php start and stop a program on another debian machine |
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| 20:20.19 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 and i'm looking for a safe way to do that |
| 20:20.33 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: http://www.php.net/manual/en/book.ssh2.php |
| 20:20.43 | ws2k3 | i'm thinking maby php > ssh or maby php start a bash script and bash connects to the other machine and does whatever i want |
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| 20:24.56 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 i know about ssh support in php |
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| 20:25.12 | ws2k3 | but i dont know yet if this is the correct and savest way. |
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| 20:25.51 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: one thing is certain, using a simple solution is better than inventing your own remote call API and sprinkling it with bugs :P |
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| 20:26.57 | ws2k3 | yeah i know. but i'm a security exepert:) |
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| 20:27.45 | ws2k3 | so that why i came here for some advice about what is the best way to do this |
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| 20:28.23 | wols_ | babilen: yes. it was for bernhard1. little weasel is spamming me :( |
| 20:29.34 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 20:29.48 | bernhard1 | any clue how to fix this on installing php5-fpm http://pastebin.com/vGj3VmnB |
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| 20:30.54 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 what do u suggest as to be a simple sollution?:D |
| 20:31.18 | wols_ | bernhard1: if you don't know how to use apt-listbugs you shouldn't have installed and and certainly shouldn't run unstable |
| 20:32.13 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: just use SSH functions from PHP and call whatever you need over SSH |
| 20:32.15 | ws2k3 | i think calling an bash script that logs in to ssh is pretty secure all oure servers have a firewall. only the ip's int he allow list can login into ssh. seconds the ssh have a keygen. so there are no password used int he scripts. and thirth we call the bash script with some argument supplyed by php. |
| 20:32.21 | wols_ | bernhard1: hint: you have no old passwords since you are newly installing it |
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| 20:32.44 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: then maybe you don't need PHP at all :P |
| 20:32.46 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 that means i need to give www-data an ssh key to login on the remote system am i right? |
| 20:32.50 | wols_ | ws2k3: calling a php enabled webserver secure is kinda funny :) |
| 20:32.55 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: yes |
| 20:33.05 | thewanderer1 | wols_: come on, PHP is not inherently insecure |
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| 20:33.30 | jelly-home | bernhard1: uh, what's there to fix? |
| 20:33.33 | acwn | hi, i have a 32bit and 64 binarys of a third party software and i like to make deb of that. I know the normal way to create a deb package. Is there a way to create 32 and 64 bit packages of that just with one dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 20:33.37 | wols_ | thewanderer1: it is. the amount of bad judgement php devs have displayed over the year is only toppled by MSFT themselves |
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| 20:34.22 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 i need php because i wanne run the command from a web interface. |
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| 20:35.21 | wols_ | ws2k3: that makes no sense |
| 20:35.23 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: you can call a bash script, yes, and you need to use a key or input a password during the run |
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| 20:35.45 | thewanderer1 | no, don't force him to use Bash CGI :P |
| 20:36.10 | Guest007 | My laptop mic is not working. Can somebody help me |
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| 20:36.21 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 i think i go for the key |
| 20:36.40 | ws2k3 | more safe then use linux password in php |
| 20:37.04 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 is bash cgi a bad idea? |
| 20:37.17 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1: because u started about it? |
| 20:39.33 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: because there are so many things that can go wrong in configuring your server to do CGI :P |
| 20:39.45 | ws2k3 | aah ok. |
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| 20:39.51 | ws2k3 | i think i stick with the php called bash script. |
| 20:40.10 | ws2k3 | if i remember right php can capture the output of the bash script right? |
| 20:40.15 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 20:40.18 | ws2k3 | and bring it back to the website? |
| 20:40.33 | thewanderer1 | you wouldn't want to be integrating PHP authentication with Bash authentication either :P |
| 20:40.37 | ws2k3 | so then i know when my command failed or go wrong |
| 20:40.38 | pzn | does anyone know how to specify the ssh port number in rsync command line? rsync user@host:/path /mylocalpath host has ssh at port 50000 |
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| 20:40.44 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: sure, shell_exec or exec or sth |
| 20:40.58 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 do u know alot of php? |
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| 20:41.07 | ws2k3 | whats the different from shell_exec and exec? |
| 20:41.41 | jelly-home | pzn: use -e'ssh -p50000' or put the port in ~/.ssh/config |
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| 20:42.17 | Guest007 | My laptop mic is not working. Can somebody help me |
| 20:42.21 | wols_ | jelly-home: no space between -p and the #? |
| 20:42.21 | pzn | jelly-home, tks! |
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| 20:42.33 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: arguments and return value :P |
| 20:42.34 | wols_ | !tell Guest007 about someone |
| 20:42.34 | jelly-home | wols_: does it matter? |
| 20:42.45 | wols_ | jelly-home: I'm asking you |
| 20:42.55 | jelly-home | wols_: TIAS |
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| 20:43.29 | jelly-home | I don't remember it not working |
| 20:44.13 | MicronXD | Hi all. I had a quick question about apache2. I have a fresh install. apache2.conf still has the line for .htaccess.. but .htaccess files aren't doing anything. any thoughts? |
| 20:44.17 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 jhutchins_lt both thanks alot |
| 20:44.35 | ws2k3 | micronXD i know the answer but i have to look one sec |
| 20:44.56 | MicronXD | thumbs from the apache foundation told me it's a debian specific thing and to ask here |
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| 20:45.00 | thewanderer1 | MicronXD: AllowOverrides none? |
| 20:45.04 | ws2k3 | jap |
| 20:45.10 | ws2k3 | that should be AllowOverride All |
| 20:45.15 | MicronXD | ws2k3: thanks |
| 20:45.29 | thewanderer1 | MicronXD: it's typically set in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 20:45.58 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 thanks |
| 20:46.09 | ws2k3 | lol thewanderer1 ur from polen? |
| 20:46.31 | ws2k3 | didnt expect there are also smart polish people. no offence :) |
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| 20:46.38 | thewanderer1 | lol :P |
| 20:46.48 | MicronXD | thewanderer1: thanks! |
| 20:46.50 | wols_ | ws2k3: nice foot you have there... |
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| 20:47.45 | ws2k3 | wols i was just kidding :) |
| 20:48.23 | ws2k3 | why do u allways have to screw up the fun |
| 20:49.11 | ws2k3 | truely i realy love debian |
| 20:49.21 | ws2k3 | much better then other distro's |
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| 20:50.13 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: but you'd really just rather have it in brown? :P |
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| 20:50.51 | ws2k3 | haha rofl |
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| 20:52.22 | Ima_Goodlady | so i'm installing squeeze 6.0.2 via dvd on my Thinkpad T42 |
| 20:52.40 | Ima_Goodlady | and after partitioning, the installer gets stuck at "retrieving file 1 of 1" |
| 20:53.04 | Ima_Goodlady | should i reburn the ISO |
| 20:53.22 | wols_ | normally it would tell you if it didn't find the CD for some reason or other |
| 20:53.29 | Ima_Goodlady | Oh, here it goes. |
| 20:53.39 | Ima_Goodlady | Well, it went for a little bit. |
| 20:53.45 | Ima_Goodlady | Now it says retrieving 1 of 4 |
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| 20:54.03 | Ima_Goodlady | Maybe I'll have to wait a few more minutes. |
| 20:54.20 | wols_ | should be normally very quick |
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| 20:55.26 | MicronXD | hey guys. I'm back. |
| 20:55.57 | Ima_Goodlady | yeah my thought exactly |
| 20:56.08 | Ima_Goodlady | 1.7GHz centrino 1.5GB RAM |
| 20:56.10 | Ima_Goodlady | if that helps |
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| 20:56.18 | wols_ | !enter |
| 20:56.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 20:58.37 | mns | does anyone have hibernate/suspend working on a ThinkPad using linux-image-3.0.0 ? Under linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae it worked fine. Two days ago 'aptitude safe-upgrade' upgraded me to linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae. After that, suspend/hibernate no longer work. How do I go about debugging/fixing this ? |
| 20:59.12 | valdyn | mns: youre on sid |
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| 20:59.22 | wols_ | mns: check for error messages. kernel log, syslog, etc |
| 20:59.26 | wols_ | valdyn: wheezy has it now too |
| 20:59.26 | mns | valdyn: I'm on wheezy. |
| 20:59.33 | valdyn | ah |
| 20:59.52 | valdyn | to bad, now my flame doesnt work as well |
| 20:59.54 | wols_ | valdyn: doesn't change what you mean tho: he still should know better than to simply ask first thing |
| 21:00.16 | wols_ | he is expected to do basic debugging on his own |
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| 21:00.26 | Ima_Goodlady | Deadly vu... it shouldn't be this slwo |
| 21:00.41 | Ima_Goodlady | Oh yeah, it says "Select and install software" |
| 21:00.54 | MicronXD | When hitting an alias I set up in an .htaccess file, I'm getting an HTTP500 error. Would you guess that I messed up the Alias line, or completely slaughtered the config? >.> |
| 21:00.57 | wols_ | Ima_Goodlady: I wouldn't |
| 21:01.29 | Ima_Goodlady | no, the progress bar says select and install software, then it says "retrieving file 1 of 1" |
| 21:01.36 | MicronXD | I guess I should go back to httpd for that question? |
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| 21:05.35 | soehest | hi all :-) i am trying to install open-vm-tools but for some odd reason it can not locate that package: http://pastebin.com/LWFReYrH |
| 21:05.51 | valdyn | !versions open-vm-tools |
| 21:05.57 | valdyn | judd: versions open-vm-tools |
| 21:05.58 | judd | Package open-vm-tools on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 2008.11.18-130226-1lenny2; sid/contrib: 1:8.4.2-261024-1; squeeze/contrib: 1:8.4.2-261024-1 |
| 21:06.15 | valdyn | soehest: its in contrib |
| 21:06.30 | soehest | valdyn ahhhh thank you so much :-) |
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| 21:08.30 | soehest | valdyn now it can find it just by appending contrib like this deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib, any other that i should append? :-) |
| 21:08.54 | valdyn | soehest: contrib is in contrib because it depends on something in non-free |
| 21:09.00 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 21:09.00 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 21:09.12 | soehest | so i should put non-free in that line as well? |
| 21:09.17 | valdyn | soehest: yes |
| 21:09.25 | soehest | great :-) thanks |
| 21:09.32 | totte | I've got to be a bit bold here, this is not Debian-related but someone here should be old enough to remember an OS that shipped with the IBM PS/2 (if I got it right). It's a PC from the late 80's or perhaps early 90's. I could barely read back then, mind you, but I recall the system being very graphic, the file manager used a folder and/or redlined paper as background. At startup you would see four big icons, each representing some... kind of program or ca |
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| 21:10.16 | soehest | totte os2? :-) |
| 21:10.30 | valdyn | totte: ms-dos |
| 21:10.39 | totte | It didn't look like WARP at all, that's the thing... |
| 21:10.49 | valdyn | it can hardly be warp |
| 21:10.58 | valdyn | os/2 is a 32-bit OS |
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| 21:11.09 | valdyn | ibm ps/2 should be 286 cpu iirc |
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| 21:12.39 | soehest | http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/pc25/pc25_tenyears.html |
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| 21:12.49 | totte | I searched for OS2, WARP, IBM OS but I can't find anything resembling it. It was such an odd operating system, very vivid graphics and not resembling the Windows or X.org stuff. |
| 21:13.13 | valdyn | totte: why do you think it was an OS and not just a graphical program for ms-dos? |
| 21:13.33 | soehest | Also introduced: the OS/2 Standard Edition Version 1.3, a smaller, faster version of OS/2 (october 1990) |
| 21:13.47 | mns | ok .. so it seems there is one task that fails to freeze according to /var/log/kernel.log. Looks like thinkpad_acpi seems to tbe culprit as far as Ic an tell. I'll dig a little deeper |
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| 21:14.10 | valdyn | soehest: 16-bit os/2 existed? |
| 21:14.45 | valdyn | nevermind, ps/2 went up to 486 at least |
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| 21:16.00 | soehest | http://www.os2museum.com/wp/?page_id=182 |
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| 21:20.47 | soehest | valdyn thanks for your help again :-) |
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| 21:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | totte: OS/2? |
| 21:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | totte: The only things shipped on the PS/2 were DOS (Possibly +Win3.x) and OS/2 |
| 21:40.27 | khaleel5000 | hi, i have debian sid, i neeed to go back to stable (squeeze) is there a way to 'downgrade' packages to stable? or will i need to format and install? |
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| 21:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | totte: DOS 4 had a character based file manager a bit like mc. |
| 21:41.16 | wols_ | !tell khaleel5000 about downgrade |
| 21:41.21 | jhutchins_lt | totte: The Commodore Amiga had a fairly advanced GUI for the day, but that didn't run on IBMs. |
| 21:42.00 | jhutchins_lt | khaleel5000: Restore the backup you made before the "upgrade"? |
| 21:42.25 | khaleel5000 | wols_: thanks |
| 21:42.31 | khaleel5000 | jhutchins_lt: no i installed sid directly |
| 21:42.38 | wols_ | up to OS/2 1.3, it was the "big brother" t WIndows. same Program manager and all, but unlike windows which has basically a DOS shell, OS/2 was a real OS. then with OS/2 2.0 WPS started which was a totally new GUI and launcher (still miss it). but it was never red from what I remember |
| 21:42.56 | wols_ | khaleel5000: that is untrue. you cannot install it directly |
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| 21:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | OS/2 taught me the meaning of "disk thrashing". |
| 21:44.24 | khaleel5000 | what? |
| 21:44.24 | wols_ | yes, it really needed some RAM compared to the rest |
| 21:44.27 | totte | Thank you all, I found the abominable mouse and then the model, it was an IBM PS/1, probably with some version of DOS. |
| 21:44.47 | wols_ | yes, that one only shipped with DOS. ugly thing :( |
| 21:45.24 | kfogel | It used to be that I could temporarily redirect a domain to another IP by editing /etc/resolv.conf manually (for example, I'd put "questioncopyrght.org 999.999.999.999" to redirect my laptop to a staging site where I'm doing some experiments). But now one doesn't edit /etc/resolv.conf by hand anymore, apparently. Does anyone know how to do the equivalent trick in modern Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 21:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: /etc/hosts |
| 21:46.12 | wols_ | kfogel: when did this resolv.conf stuff work? |
| 21:46.17 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: HAH thank you |
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| 21:46.29 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: in fact, it was always /etc/hosts, I was just mis-remembering right now somehow. |
| 21:46.40 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: thank you for playing Captain Obvious, that was the nudge I needed. |
| 21:46.49 | kfogel | wols_: see above -- PEBKAC |
| 21:47.21 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Happens to all of us. |
| 21:47.33 | kfogel | wols_: .oO (oh look, there in /etc/hosts is an old commented-out line doing exactly what I need, with the right IP address. Seems like my past self is smarter than my present self.) |
| 21:47.35 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: ^^ |
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| 21:53.14 | zastaph | when I do sudo gedit /etc/ssh/sshd_config the command blocks the terminal, how to avoid that? |
| 21:53.59 | thewanderer1 | zastaph: command & |
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| 21:54.23 | kfogel | zastaph: (that's general for all commands -- "&" at the end makes a command run "in the background" so you get your prompt back right away) |
| 21:54.55 | zastaph | thanks.. and speaking of sshd_config .. what type of file is this? what highlighting method do I choose in gedit? |
| 21:55.27 | thewanderer1 | uh, you shouldn't need syntax highlighting for a file this simple |
| 21:55.48 | zastaph | i'd like comments to be darker, and values to be colored |
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| 21:56.28 | marcelomauro | how can I install silverlight on firefox 5.01 in debian? I have a page that ask me for it |
| 21:56.55 | zastaph | but is sshd_config considered sh or .ini or something else? of type |
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| 21:58.19 | totte | The search is over: http://www.techcn.com.cn/uploads/201001/1262702611S52CY6sh.jpg, didn't find the file manager but I'm happy and can now sleep. Thank you for the help despite it being OT and have a great weekend. |
| 21:59.25 | wols_ | marcelomauro: there is no silverlight. moonlight (part of mono) is partially compatible to silverlight |
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| 21:59.52 | wols_ | marcelomauro: moonlight-plugin-mozilla |
| 22:00.18 | marcelomauro | wols_: thanks |
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| 22:01.32 | S4nD3r_ | My i915 is not working, is there someone to help me solve this problem??? It's a video card (intel) |
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| 22:02.25 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r_ about doesn't work |
| 22:02.57 | S4nD3r_ | wols_, It's running in vesa mode |
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| 22:04.04 | Dev0n | hey, is encfs the best way to have an encrypted folder ? |
| 22:04.16 | Dev0n | so users with root access aren't able to see files etc |
| 22:04.54 | S4nD3r_ | My video card is intel, but is running in vesa mode, how change it ? |
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| 22:06.50 | wols_ | S4nD3r_: lspci -nn |grep -i vga |
| 22:08.22 | S4nD3r_ | http://pastebin.com/ptYRjysp |
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| 22:09.18 | S4nD3r_ | http://pastebin.com/mKcec3UG |
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| 22:10.29 | Radex | hello, have problem to install virtinst over puppet http://pastebin.com/JXNNiyJg any ideas why? |
| 22:11.10 | wols_ | S4nD3r_: tricky. it's a Sandy Bridge CPU. you probably need Xorg from wheezy to use it properly. which basically means to run wheezy :( |
| 22:11.12 | DexterF | got heavy problems with libfuse in wheezy, like empty mounts etc. can anybody confirm? |
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| 22:11.49 | S4nD3r_ | what's wheezy ? |
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| 22:11.58 | DexterF | S4nD3r_: I've got the same problem with my Sandy Bridge - long story short: wheezy. |
| 22:12.04 | DexterF | =debian testing |
| 22:12.14 | S4nD3r_ | Oh |
| 22:12.22 | S4nD3r_ | Im not crazy to do that |
| 22:12.29 | babilen | S4nD3r_: Or another distribution :- |
| 22:12.32 | DexterF | you need at least v2.15 of the intel driver. |
| 22:12.53 | S4nD3r_ | how do I know the version of my one? |
| 22:13.17 | babilen | its 2:2.13.0-6 |
| 22:13.34 | babilen | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:13.34 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; sid: 2:2.15.0-3; wheezy: 2:2.15.0-3; experimental: 2:2.15.901-1 |
| 22:13.36 | DexterF | so far testing is the only I found. or you compile the driver for stable, which means : compile your own MesaGL (7.11) and kernel (3.0). |
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| 22:14.34 | S4nD3r_ | ii xserver-xorg-v 2:2.15.0~lucid X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d |
| 22:14.47 | babilen | smells ubuntu |
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| 22:14.52 | DexterF | S4nD3r_: this might not be the most welcome comment here but the upcoming ubuntu 11.10 will have 2.15.901 or maybe even 2.16. if proper video is key I'd go for that |
| 22:15.00 | babilen | S4nD3r_: Are you sure that you are running Debian and not Ubuntu? |
| 22:15.21 | babilen | DexterF: It is a valid comment |
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| 22:15.35 | S4nD3r_ | Im running ubuntu 10.04 64bits |
| 22:15.41 | DexterF | uh oh |
| 22:15.57 | S4nD3r_ | ubuntu came from debian |
| 22:15.59 | DexterF | hands S4nD3r_ running shoes and a helmet |
| 22:16.04 | S4nD3r_ | then, I though could some help here |
| 22:16.05 | babilen | S4nD3r_: In that case you want the #ubuntu channel -- and consider yourself lucky as it might just be a tad easier on Ubuntu for now. |
| 22:16.36 | DexterF | babilen: you're surprisingly mild tampered for a #debian resident :) |
| 22:16.39 | Dev0n | ecryptfs or encfs? |
| 22:16.43 | S4nD3r_ | Ubuntu is another son of debian |
| 22:16.46 | S4nD3r_ | right? |
| 22:17.01 | DexterF | S4nD3r_: right. an unwanted son if you ask the majority here. |
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| 22:17.20 | S4nD3r_ | I didn't know that. |
| 22:17.54 | babilen | S4nD3r_: Lets not have this discussion. Yes, Ubuntu is based on Debian. It is also off-topic in here. Please ask for support in #ubuntu as we can not support all of Debian's derivatives in here. Good luck. |
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| 22:18.20 | DexterF | S4nD3r_: a lot of ubuntu users who do not get the level of support they want come here and try to play the debian card and sooner or later it's pitchforks and torches. |
| 22:19.38 | jetscreamer | but.. but... #buntu is so.... USER-Y!!! |
| 22:19.52 | boudiccas | what does 'gtk-gnash' do on a squeeze box running KDE and everything updated please? |
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| 22:21.23 | jetscreamer | doesn't say gnashes it's teeth |
| 22:21.24 | babilen | boudiccas: Tell us please - or provide additional information. |
| 22:21.29 | ompaul | boudiccas: apt-cache depends apt-cache rdepends and then make up your mind :) |
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| 22:22.13 | boudiccas | babilen; i dont know, thats why i'm asking. it appears in the list of processes running, thats all i know about it |
| 22:22.50 | babilen | boudiccas: Well, do you have gnash installed? (dpkg -l gnash|tail -1) |
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| 22:23.13 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=gtk-gnash&restrict=linux |
| 22:23.57 | jetscreamer | points out he said it's a running process |
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| 22:24.48 | boudiccas | babilen; yes, much to my surprise! ii gnash 0.8.8-5 GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player |
| 22:25.13 | jetscreamer | yeh i was gonna say flash but you beat me |
| 22:25.42 | boudiccas | jetscreamer; i'm not a 'he' i'm a female |
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| 22:26.03 | babilen | boudiccas: You might want to remove that -- If you are interested why it is installed run "aptitude why gnash" and also play with the tools mentioned by ompaul |
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| 22:26.36 | jetscreamer | sorry, your * didn't show up well on irc |
| 22:26.47 | babilen | jetscreamer: huh? |
| 22:26.56 | jetscreamer | video feed |
| 22:27.11 | jetscreamer | nvm just kidding |
| 22:27.24 | babilen | * == video feed? that is something new ... |
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| 22:28.52 | jetscreamer | yeh well i had to come up with something quick... :) |
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| 22:30.17 | orfix | Hi, does anyone here installed debian on a thinkpad T410 (intel i5-560M, NVIDIA Quadro NVS 3100M) ? is it well supported ? thanks. |
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| 22:30.39 | jetscreamer | !hcl |
| 22:30.39 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 22:31.13 | jetscreamer | i had an old thinkpad that worked well fwiw |
| 22:31.22 | babilen | orfix: I have it running on a t420 (sid though, not recommended) -- There is a plethora of information on http://thinkwiki.org about TPs and linux. Please also check the HCLs that have been kindly pointed out by dpkg. |
| 22:31.59 | orfix | jetscreamer: babilen: thanks a lot. |
| 22:32.08 | babilen | orfix: In general: TPs are very well supported (if you don't get the cheapo wifi cards) -- I would read about the specific model on thinkwiki and check the hcls |
| 22:32.41 | boudiccas | babilen; thanks, gnash removed , especially as i dont view flash programs/windows, i dont even like youtube |
| 22:32.51 | babilen | orfix: If there is something specific we can probably help you with that too. Let me take a look at thinkwiki for a second. |
| 22:33.09 | babilen | boudiccas: wonderful, hope you enjoy your new gnash-free experience. Have a nice day! |
| 22:33.15 | babilen | (night/whatev) |
| 22:33.19 | orfix | babilen: thanks ! |
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| 22:35.16 | orfix | babilen: I think I would spend some time reading thinkwiki.org =] |
| 22:35.29 | orfix | www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T410 |
| 22:36.16 | babilen | orfix: yes, that is always a good idea -- from the short glimpse I had I don't see any immediate problems. (haven't checked gfx card though) -- Read the wiki and come back if you have something specific. Do you know how to install Debian? |
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| 22:36.50 | orfix | babilen: yes, I already installed lenny on my previous laptop. |
| 22:37.14 | babilen | marvellous -- what are you waiting for then? ;) |
| 22:37.21 | DexterF | didn't I see a debian live cd somewhere the other day...? |
| 22:37.29 | wols_ | !live |
| 22:37.29 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 22:38.19 | orfix | babilen: I think the fingerprint boot wouldn't work... |
| 22:38.25 | DexterF | even official. how come it's not the default install medium? |
| 22:38.45 | jetscreamer | it's finally official not just some side project? |
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| 22:39.13 | babilen | orfix: hehe, ok -- I don't consider that essential hardware, but there is support for the fingerprint reader. I have, however, never used it. |
| 22:39.15 | DexterF | jetscreamer: at least the site tells me so. |
| 22:39.25 | jetscreamer | because netinstall is smaller maybe, no idea |
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| 22:40.47 | babilen | DexterF: Various reasons -- one of them is that the images for live and for installation have a different focus, another that the installation from the live cd might cause problems and the "normal" d-i is very well tested. |
| 22:40.48 | orfix | babilen: ok =) , there is also the multitouch touchpad, but this isn't essential hardware too =P |
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| 22:41.17 | jetscreamer | no mac support either apparently |
| 22:41.19 | babilen | orfix: The touchpad works without a problem (does in my old t60 and in my new box) |
| 22:42.16 | babilen | jetscreamer: yes, the number of supported architectures is also not anywhere near what Debian supports. |
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| 22:42.59 | babilen | jetscreamer: I also prefer the installer over a live cd, but that is a matter of taste. |
| 22:43.34 | jetscreamer | ncurses/text ftw |
| 22:43.39 | babilen | indeed |
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| 22:46.03 | orfix | babilen: great, can I safely remove the SYSTEM_DRV and Lenovo partitions ? http://i.imgur.com/U74he.png |
| 22:47.00 | babilen | orfix: Your decision -- linux will not complain if they are gone, but you'll lose the functionality. |
| 22:48.01 | orfix | babilen: I'll install windows XP in dual boot (now there is only windows 7 and no CD) |
| 22:48.25 | ompaul | orfix: how old is it? |
| 22:48.38 | orfix | oh never mind... the drivers would be useless for XP |
| 22:48.44 | orfix | ompaul: the laptop ? |
| 22:48.47 | babilen | orfix: Ah, great. I see that you are running Ubuntu -- Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 22:48.50 | jetscreamer | no cd? |
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| 22:48.52 | ompaul | orfix: is it a new one? |
| 22:49.01 | jetscreamer | make the install/rescue cd's first |
| 22:49.08 | babilen | yes ^^^^ |
| 22:49.15 | babilen | s/cd/dvd |
| 22:49.17 | ompaul | ok I'll head off then |
| 22:49.20 | orfix | ompaul: yes brand new intel i5, 4G ram, 320G HD... |
| 22:49.23 | jetscreamer | / |
| 22:49.30 | ompaul | orfix: t520? |
| 22:49.36 | orfix | ompaul: T410 |
| 22:49.36 | jetscreamer | 420 |
| 22:49.40 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 22:49.48 | orfix | babilen: it was just a live cd |
| 22:49.55 | orfix | but I could do it ! |
| 22:50.01 | jetscreamer | wanders off to castignate himself |
| 22:50.05 | babilen | orfix: yes, thats why -- (just to check the HCL) |
| 22:50.18 | babilen | orfix: Ah, that was an old screenshot? |
| 22:50.46 | orfix | babilen: no no... done just few minutes ago |
| 22:50.48 | ompaul | orfix make sure you have a debian testing daily build just in case it fails during repartitioning I had some fun no windows and sure that's the way it was meant to be :) |
| 22:50.58 | orfix | I'll paste the lspci -n output right now |
| 22:51.00 | ompaul | much better box :) |
| 22:51.04 | ompaul | goes away |
| 22:51.42 | jetscreamer | ugh yes make those windows rescue dvds |
| 22:52.57 | babilen | orfix: But I guess that if an Ubuntu live cd is working that you shouldn't have problems with Debian. lspci -n would still be nice though |
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| 22:53.20 | babilen | ah, what am I saying. Just install it. |
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| 22:56.17 | G0d-servant | i want delete panel, but when do right-click on the panel, i see that "Delete this panel" is disable. how to solve it? |
| 22:57.23 | orfix | jetscreamer: is it only for drivers ? because I could still get them from the official website |
| 22:57.44 | orfix | babilen: lspci -n -> paste.debian.net/126057 |
| 22:58.06 | orfix | babilen: lspci -> paste.debian.net/126058 |
| 22:58.14 | babilen | orfix: No, it is your only way to reinstall windows after you nuke the harddrive -- just create the restore DVDs and be done with it. |
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| 22:58.41 | orfix | babilen: ok, thanks jetscreamer for pointing this out. |
| 23:00.37 | jetscreamer | learned the hard way on a box that wasn't mine.. had to buy them from hp |
| 23:01.11 | babilen | orfix: You need a newer kernel for *some* of the hardware (MMC/SD Host Controller, 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Thermal Subsystem) not critical and you can deal with that later. |
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| 23:02.19 | babilen | ,pciid 1180:e822 |
| 23:02.21 | judd | [1180:e822] is 'MMC/SD Host Controller' from 'Ricoh Co Ltd' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'sdhci-pci' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1180:e822 |
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| 23:02.33 | babilen | !tell orfix -about bdo kernel |
| 23:02.47 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 23:02.47 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 23:02.52 | babilen | not needed |
| 23:03.07 | jetscreamer | shruigs |
| 23:03.18 | jetscreamer | shrugs even |
| 23:03.24 | babilen | just install the bdo kernel after the initial install (you would have to do that with kmuto as well) |
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| 23:05.03 | orfix | what is bdo kernel ? |
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| 23:06.13 | babilen | orfix: A newer kernel version from backports (see the private message you received from dpkg) |
| 23:06.48 | babilen | orfix: Also: http://backports.debian.org |
| 23:08.25 | orfix | thank you very much, that was very helpful, I just burned the debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso, I think I'll just go install it then be back here if I got any other questions |
| 23:08.47 | babilen | have fun |
| 23:08.57 | orfix | =] |
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| 23:14.41 | babilen | orfix: Ah, one more thing -- you do need firmware for the wifi adaptor. Ask dpkg about <installer firmware> <iwlagn> and <firmware images> -- (/msg dpkg iwlagn) -- You can also install that later on though. |
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| 23:23.43 | nutron | dpkg: remove nouveau |
| 23:23.43 | dpkg | nutron: i haven't a clue |
| 23:24.04 | nutron | dpkg: disable nouveau |
| 23:24.04 | dpkg | nutron: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:24.07 | nutron | gah |
| 23:25.16 | babilen | nutron: You can /msg the bot |
| 23:26.19 | nutron | babilen: aye, it still doesn't know... I thought I was in a /query already, sorry for the noise |
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| 23:27.44 | babilen | np |
| 23:28.54 | nutron | ok I give up, how do I disable nouveau? |
| 23:29.27 | babilen | Do you want to use nvidia instead or nothing? |
| 23:29.35 | nutron | babilen: nvidia instead |
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| 23:29.57 | babilen | Just install nvidia, that will blacklist nouveau automagically |
| 23:30.01 | babilen | !nvidia dkms |
| 23:30.02 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 23:30.19 | nutron | oh I installed it.. I guess I need to reboot |
| 23:30.23 | babilen | nutron: ^^^ one line installation and configuration :) |
| 23:30.28 | babilen | nutron: You do |
| 23:30.49 | nutron | meh back to windows 95 ;] |
| 23:30.58 | nutron | bbiab must raboot |
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| 23:40.42 | m1h0 | hey population |
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| 23:42.18 | m1h0 | anyone to talk with about hplip ? |
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| 23:43.19 | yagoo | m1h0, there's a list of hp supported printers on the cups site.. if its not listed there u may find a support driver for it from hp site |
| 23:43.31 | yagoo | !hp |
| 23:43.31 | dpkg | Hewlett-Packard (HP) is an American Information Technology corporation. For information on HP ProLiant servers and Debian, ask me about <proliant>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP http://hp.com/go/debian . See also <laptop>. |
| 23:43.49 | yagoo | dumb dpkg |
| 23:43.53 | Ima_Goodlady | Just installed Debian 6.0.2 on my Thinkpad T42, 50GB XP partition NTFS and 30GB for debian including swap. Grub doesn't show XP as an option to boot. |
| 23:44.11 | yagoo | Ima_Goodlady, swap is separate from "/" |
| 23:44.22 | Ima_Goodlady | i let the partitioner handle all free space |
| 23:44.23 | babilen | Ima_Goodlady: make sure you have os-prober installed and run update-grub |
| 23:44.47 | yagoo | Ima_Goodlady, try typing update-grub then check /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 23:46.04 | yagoo | Ima_Goodlady, you were careful i hope that the XP partition wasn't set as swap |
| 23:46.23 | yagoo | (i mean in the sense u have user data.. who cares about the win os eh:) |
| 23:46.30 | Ima_Goodlady | os-prober fixed it, thanks a lot. |
| 23:46.49 | yagoo | lol |
| 23:46.53 | yagoo | Ima_Goodlady, test it.. |
| 23:47.14 | Ima_Goodlady | eah it works. Just logged onto to XP |
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| 23:47.23 | yagoo | ok |
| 23:48.03 | m1h0 | yagoo , the installer in that side is written in python, |
| 23:48.32 | yagoo | m1h0, is your hp printer model supported listed? |
| 23:48.56 | m1h0 | yes |
| 23:49.23 | m1h0 | it is there |
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| 23:49.37 | yagoo | m1h0, i don't have much knowledge on this stuff.. but I know hp makes drivers -- in case the cups driver doesnt work.. |
| 23:50.03 | m1h0 | so you mean to get the pdd package and put it in the cups dir ? |
| 23:50.14 | yagoo | what model is it? |
| 23:50.14 | m1h0 | *ppd driver |
| 23:50.22 | m1h0 | hp 1217nfw |
| 23:52.27 | yagoo | m1h0, what doc are u following? ( http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting ) |
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| 23:56.16 | yagoo | m1h0, this installer was it from apt ? |
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