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| 00:01.17 | Lenin_Cat | How do I connect to a wireless network, when I go to network manager in my systray it says my wifi device is |
| 00:01.21 | Lenin_Cat | "not managed" |
| 00:02.47 | Justin | Lenin_Cat: do you have entries for it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:03.22 | Lenin_Cat | dunno |
| 00:03.24 | Lenin_Cat | let me check |
| 00:05.07 | Lenin_Cat | Justin: yes |
| 00:05.15 | Justin | try commenting them out |
| 00:05.29 | Justin | then nm should take over |
| 00:05.53 | Lenin_Cat | Well I have a workaround for now |
| 00:06.20 | Lenin_Cat | also how do I log out from command line? |
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| 00:06.44 | Nethox | Lenin_Cat, exit, ctrl+D |
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| 00:08.17 | syn4pse | ctrl+alt+f4 kills x-server |
| 00:08.20 | syn4pse | also usefull sometimes |
| 00:08.42 | dvs | syn4pse: no, it doesnt |
| 00:08.50 | Nethox | ctrl + alt + F4 changes to VT4 |
| 00:08.50 | gochilla | hi, can someone help me out with a prob. I just installed a fresh debian and during boot my screen blanks ... and my monitor doesnt get any signal anymore. I figured a workaround is to turn acpi off (acpi=off kernel parameter). However, is there a solution to the problem? I'm running AMD 64/GeForce 9600GT |
| 00:09.06 | syn4pse | vt4? |
| 00:09.15 | dvs | syn4pse: ctrl+alt+f7. Oh, it's back! |
| 00:09.24 | syn4pse | i don`T want to try it right now |
| 00:09.27 | syn4pse | too much stuff opened ;) |
| 00:09.52 | syn4pse | from what i remember that used to kill my x-session |
| 00:09.54 | syn4pse | could be wrong |
| 00:09.56 | syn4pse | ;) |
| 00:10.00 | MrFrood | syn4pse: you won't lose the open stuff |
| 00:10.04 | syn4pse | DO NOT LISTEN TO ME I AM STUPID |
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| 00:10.11 | syn4pse | iḿ not willing to try ... |
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| 00:10.14 | Bushmills | you may mix that up with ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 00:11.12 | syn4pse | could be |
| 00:11.14 | MrFrood | by default debian has six vt's F1-F6 with X opening on the next available vt F7 |
| 00:11.16 | syn4pse | dunno i rather jsut stfu ;) |
| 00:11.44 | syn4pse | altough i have to share this funny site i saw ;) |
| 00:12.01 | MrFrood | of course some of us eddit the setting's to change that |
| 00:12.10 | ArdRigh | stew: it's a new server install at Debian 6 64-bit on a VPS. It had no firewall rules configured by default, so I wrote a quick script to apply some. But I was looking for something closer to this I guess http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 00:12.18 | syn4pse | http://wiki.eth-0.nl/index.php?title=Vpenis |
| 00:12.19 | syn4pse | :) |
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| 00:12.49 | MrFrood | syn4pse: funny site sharinh in #debian-offtopic |
| 00:12.53 | ArdRigh | stew: Nethox: I guess the main question is just the best method to ensure iptables rules apply on startup/reboot :) |
| 00:13.02 | ArdRigh | I can do the actual rules themselves no problem |
| 00:13.11 | syn4pse | aiiiigh |
| 00:13.17 | syn4pse | to many chans on this ircd cannot follow ... |
| 00:13.49 | stew | ArdRigh: run the script from a "pre-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
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| 00:16.30 | Nethox | gochilla, maybe the kernel is autoloading the nouveau driver with KMS. Try using the kernel parameter nomodeset, its valid for all drivers |
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| 00:42.38 | jenev | where can i get the opengl headers and development libraries for debain |
| 00:42.50 | jenev | i've checked the package site but i found nothing |
| 00:43.07 | jenev | the reason im usin apt-get is because i don't have internet on debian |
| 00:43.20 | jenev | cause there is no driver for my network adapter |
| 00:43.30 | jenev | *reason im not using* |
| 00:43.51 | jenev | so where can i get these files? |
| 00:44.20 | Justin | no driver? |
| 00:44.37 | gnarface | jenev: 1) you're fixing your problems in the WRONG order 2) typically the files are part of your video card driver package (that which isn't already part of mesa, that is) |
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| 00:46.02 | jenev | but if i do "#include <gl.h>" the IDE doesn't find it |
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| 00:46.32 | gnarface | tragic |
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| 00:49.16 | Nethox | jenev, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgl1-mesa-dev . You can manually download every package and its Depends, but... |
| 00:50.26 | jenev | oh christ.. |
| 00:50.32 | jenev | thanks anyway |
| 00:51.08 | gnarface | jenev: so. now that we're all on the same page here, how about you tell us what network device you have? |
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| 00:52.19 | jenev | linksys WUSB11 ver2.6 |
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| 00:53.06 | gnarface | hmm. i'm not familiar with that one specifically, but it is possible you're just missing a firmware package |
| 00:53.43 | jenev | possibly |
| 00:53.49 | jenev | im checking it out now |
| 00:54.29 | Black_Prince | jenev, lsusb and paste line that coresponds to your wa |
| 00:56.41 | gnarface | Black_Prince: he's gonna have trouble pasting in channel without a working network device :-p |
| 00:56.54 | jenev | Black_Prince, not on linux |
| 00:56.58 | Black_Prince | pciid is just necesary |
| 00:57.08 | PZt | jenev http://wiki.debian.org/at76_usb |
| 00:59.02 | jenev | Black_Prince, assuming "pciid" is for PCI devices it's a usb device |
| 00:59.35 | gnarface | jenev: i think he meant lsusb |
| 00:59.36 | Black_Prince | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0458:003a KYE Systems Corp. (Mouse Systems) NetScroll+ Mini Traveler |
| 00:59.42 | Black_Prince | ID 0458:003a |
| 00:59.53 | Black_Prince | this is like pciid |
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| 01:01.20 | PZt | jenev that shows how to install http://privatepaste.com/cb5ae68f9a |
| 01:03.19 | jenev | found a tutorial here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/linksys-wusb11-v2-6-in-redhat-9-for-n00bs-142672/ |
| 01:03.27 | jenev | gonna try it see if it works |
| 01:03.31 | jenev | brb |
| 01:03.33 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 01:03.49 | PZt | redhat 9!=debian |
| 01:04.24 | gnarface | "hi i'm gonna take all your carefully thought out advice and ignore it in favor of a tutorial from 2004 for the wrong distro of linux, then i'm gonna come back here and tell you debian sucks when i can't get it to work" |
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| 01:04.56 | gnarface | "by the way my IDE can't find gl.h" |
| 01:05.03 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.50 | Black_Prince | judd search include/gl.h |
| 01:05.52 | judd | There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 01:05.58 | Black_Prince | judd search GL/gl.h |
| 01:05.58 | judd | There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 01:06.43 | gnarface | Black_Prince: its in mesa-common-dev (i think certain video card drivers, *cough* nvidia *cough* clobber it with a proprietary one though) |
| 01:06.46 | Black_Prince | it should be #include <GL/gl.h> iirc |
| 01:07.11 | Black_Prince | or either compiling with -I/usr/include/gl and including gl.h itself |
| 01:07.28 | gnarface | it doesn't matter Black_Prince he's gone and he wasn't gonna listen to you anyway |
| 01:07.47 | Black_Prince | argh, I tought you asked that gnarface |
| 01:08.14 | gnarface | Black_Prince: lol, no i don't have that problem with my IDE because i use emacs |
| 01:08.33 | Nethox | So everything is included |
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| 01:27.57 | gnarface | so what's the state of multi-user streaming video servers on debian? |
| 01:28.09 | gnarface | i had something like red5 in mind, except not written in java |
| 01:28.30 | dirkson | apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-alternatives. The following packages will be removed: Your whole damn system. How do I tell apt "No, just install, don't remove"? |
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| 01:29.52 | zykotick9 | dirkson, you could try aptitude instead - answer N to get further options, see if one offers a suitable outcome. Good luck. |
| 01:30.48 | Werel | I've been using aptitude on a puredyne distribution, ans ever since I've tried to install pidgin, which failed, it's been screwing up my other installations, errors encountered: pidgin-ppa , then exit 255. |
| 01:31.33 | wols | !puredyne |
| 01:31.34 | Werel | Is there a way to remove this lingering pidgin, uhh, mess? |
| 01:31.38 | wols | %puredyne |
| 01:31.38 | dselect | Puredyne is a GNU/Linux Live distribution based on <Ubuntu> and <Debian Live>. It provides realtime audio and video processing tools for media artists. Puredyne is not supported in #debian. http://puredyne.org/ #puredyne on irc.goto10.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 01:31.54 | Werel | Ahh, thank you |
| 01:32.48 | Werel | I only have my andchat irc on my android for irc access, xchat was one of the things that would not install properly after the pidgin, so I wasn't sure where to turn first. Thanks :P |
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| 01:34.00 | dirkson | zykotick9: This is useful, in a semi-useful kind of way. Mostly it's just presenting me with various options on how to leave nvidia-glx uninstalled. |
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| 01:35.14 | Lenin_Cat | how do I allow network manager to manage my wireless adapter? |
| 01:35.15 | zykotick9 | dirkson, are you running Stable or Testing/Sid? |
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| 01:35.16 | dirkson | zykotick9: Which, given that the only thing I want to do is install nvidia-glx, is less than ideal :D |
| 01:35.20 | dirkson | zykotick9: Testing |
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| 01:35.34 | zykotick9 | dirkson, there is some nvidia issue in testing right now. |
| 01:35.47 | zykotick9 | dirkson, ask in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 01:36.03 | dirkson | zykotick9: Wow. I've never had testing just /break/ my system before. Good to know. |
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| 01:37.52 | dirkson | Hey, this might work. Go, aptitude, do what you can, buddy. |
| 01:37.59 | dirkson | Ooooh, errors : ( |
| 01:38.40 | babilen | dirkson: I don't believe you -- there are no errors! (Paste them to http://paste.debian.net to prove me wrong) |
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| 01:39.17 | mrtnt1 | Under Debian Expert Installation, once I have chosen the language and location, I get that there is no locale for me so I chose the US one. However, is there a possibility to make own custom locale file later? As I understand, "locale" is just a set of environmental variables printed out with "locale" command- am I correct? |
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| 01:41.06 | dirkson | babilen: Just a tick, I'm solving them. Somewhat ham-handedly, but still. |
| 01:41.16 | gnarface | mrtnt1: uh... i think you need a font too |
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| 01:43.47 | mrtnt1 | gnarface: ok..I think that the font is present actually. The problem seems to be, that there is no such single locale, which would match the system language, location etc. |
| 01:44.32 | dirkson | Dear god.... It's like it's become 2002 again. INSTALL YOU DAMN VIDEO CARD DRIVER |
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| 01:45.14 | Nethox | mrtnt1, you should choose one in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED. Otherwise, apps that use locale won't be in your language/rules |
| 01:45.15 | gnarface | mrtnt1: i can't help you but i'm sure what you want to do is at least *possible* ... i recall once upon a time there were joke locales (like klingon and redneck) in the expert installer but i don't know what happened to them |
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| 01:47.19 | Nethox | I suppose that the locale C or POSIX will be the fallback in that cases |
| 01:47.56 | dirkson | How do I search through the packages installed on my system? |
| 01:48.03 | gnarface | dpkg -l |
| 01:48.21 | dirkson | gnarface: Epic. Thanks. |
| 01:48.41 | gnarface | np |
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| 01:49.21 | dirkson | gnarface: This is listing a lot of packages that aren't installed. Am I missing something? |
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| 01:49.33 | dobalina | hey anyone know those websites (often gaming sites) and what not that have those often annoying massive background ad images that people always accidently click on? anyone know how they go about getting those? in the source code it still says they're google adservice somehow but those arne't he regular "adsense" contextual publisher ads are they? |
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| 01:50.01 | gnarface | dirkson: on the left column is the status. you probably only care about the ones marked 'ii' (rc for example means its been uninstalled) |
| 01:50.18 | dirkson | gnarface: Ah, so you're right |
| 01:51.26 | Werel | What's a command to print in text the contents of a file? Such as less, or vi, just a display commend..? |
| 01:51.39 | Nethox | Werel, cat |
| 01:52.20 | Werel | Whatnks |
| 01:52.25 | Werel | Thanks* |
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| 01:54.34 | Matias_ | ok, I found the problem with alsamixer |
| 01:54.36 | Matias_ | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDWR|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 01:55.27 | Matias_ | does anyone know what could be causing http://pastebin.com/trgEkq9D when I open alsamixer? |
| 01:56.04 | Matias_ | for example, the correct name is /dev/snd/controlC1 and no /dev/snd/controlC0, but I don't where to change that |
| 01:56.04 | gnarface | fun |
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| 01:56.22 | Matias_ | don't know* |
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| 01:56.37 | gnarface | Matias_: what happens if you do "alsamixer -c 1" instead? |
| 01:56.51 | Matias_ | it works O_O |
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| 01:57.28 | Matias_ | what does it mean? |
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| 01:58.08 | gnarface | Matias_: it means your system has two soundcards, and the one you think you're using isn't the one you're using |
| 01:58.31 | Nethox | Matias_, aplay -l or cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 01:58.37 | Matias_ | oh, I found it. the problem was in asound.conf, it said the default one was the card hw0, but it should be hw1 |
| 01:59.06 | gnarface | Matias_: you can also change the order they load by passing index=[N] to the drivers at load time |
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| 01:59.24 | Matias_ | both has -2 |
| 01:59.50 | Matias_ | I don't care the number now, I want to be able to use my USB sound card since the onboard card is broken :| |
| 01:59.54 | gnarface | Matias_: the default behavior is "whatever order the pci bus initializes them in" |
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| 02:00.17 | Matias_ | it doesn't work |
| 02:00.28 | Matias_ | let me please ask it again just in case you know: |
| 02:01.09 | Matias_ | <mplabs> I have a problem. My USB sound card was working until today, I don't know what I changed but I can't hear anything now :| |
| 02:01.10 | Matias_ | <mplabs> it seems it should be working. it has a led so you can see the computer is sending "something" |
| 02:01.10 | Matias_ | <mplabs> where should I start to search the problem? |
| 02:01.10 | Matias_ | <mplabs> all I change (or atleast all I can remember) is to make this sound card the default one (my onboard card is broken) |
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| 02:01.55 | Nethox | Matias_, you can disable the onboard card at the BIOS |
| 02:02.21 | Matias_ | I tried but I didn't find how. it's a Phoenix BIOS |
| 02:03.09 | Matias_ | anyway, it seems the OS plays the file but you can't listen anything |
| 02:03.33 | Matias_ | even though you can see the led as if it's working |
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| 02:04.18 | Nethox | Matias_, have you checked that Master, PCM and maybe Front channels are unmuted and turned up? |
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| 02:04.25 | Matias_ | yes |
| 02:04.44 | Matias_ | I don't know the PCM, alsamixer doesn't show me it |
| 02:04.52 | Ori_B | Ok, playing around with Debian, and trying ext4 on a raid5 partition, and I'm seeing frequent long pauses in disk access as I rsync my data over. |
| 02:05.04 | Matias_ | I just have speaker, mic and mic (capture) |
| 02:05.05 | Ori_B | it's pretty annoying. |
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| 02:06.04 | Ori_B | has anyone else seen this sort of issue? Google isn't finding any good references to this sort of performance issue. |
| 02:06.04 | Matias_ | Nethox, where can I find the PCM channel? |
| 02:07.00 | Nethox | Matias_, the number of channels depend on the card + driver, if you are seeing all in alsamixer (with tab you change playback and recording), then your card won't use it |
| 02:07.16 | Matias_ | ok, so it doesn't use it |
| 02:07.20 | Nethox | Matias_, aplay -L shows the default as the one you want? |
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| 02:08.25 | Ori_B | also, iotop shows jbd2/md4-8 is taking up 99.99% of io |
| 02:08.39 | Ori_B | so, it seems that something is a bit funny with journaling. |
| 02:08.49 | Matias_ | Nethox, which one is the default one? http://pastebin.com/Hi837JCS |
| 02:09.10 | mrtnt1 | Nethox, gnarface: thanks! However, am I correct, that "locale" is just a set of environmental variables printed out with "locale" command? |
| 02:10.48 | gnarface | mrtnt1: i think it ALMOST is that, but some of those variables are important to refer to the proper character set for that locale... so you'll need a proper charset too |
| 02:10.51 | Nethox | mrtnt1, not sure, it's a C and POSIX thing. Software can be localized with .po files that are used when the user/system locale is detected (maybe just with env variables, maybe there is some lib). See man -k locale |
| 02:12.18 | mrtnt1 | Nethox, gnarface: thanks! |
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| 02:13.17 | Nethox | I use localepurge to clean all the locale software data that I don't want (to save space) |
| 02:16.28 | mrtnt1 | by the way, how widely 'locale' variables are used by software? Or is it some sort of legacy at nowadays? |
| 02:17.10 | gnarface | i think more do than used to |
| 02:17.19 | gnarface | i don't think its a legacy thing at all |
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| 02:19.25 | mrtnt1 | gnarface: ok. |
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| 02:27.02 | daveo | who's taking the place of dpkg /msg dpkg squeeze didn't work |
| 02:29.19 | Tramp | %squeeze |
| 02:29.19 | dselect | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.2>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 02:33.35 | daveo | thanks Tramp |
| 02:33.57 | Tramp | yw |
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| 02:45.17 | mrtnt1 | Under Debian Expert Installation there is a "domain name" option. What for is this domain name used? |
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| 02:46.40 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: Do you have more than one computer? |
| 02:47.45 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: Is your computer assigned an external internet address, or is it within a private network? |
| 02:47.46 | mrtnt1 | jhutchins: yes, I do. I guess that I should use same domain name in all of those machines, but what is the advantage? |
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| 02:48.05 | mrtnt1 | jhutchins: it's in private 192.168.1.0/24 LAN |
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| 02:48.25 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: It gives you a way to organize and address the local computers. You can use the dnsmasq program to address them. |
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| 02:48.58 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: In a way it allows you to mimic a corporate or campus lan. |
| 02:49.22 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: You can just use local.net or whatever you want to make up, but best if it's not a real external domain. |
| 02:49.40 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: I usually go ahead and register a .net domain for my networks. It has it's uses. |
| 02:49.43 | mrtnt1 | jhutchins: you mean the idea is that one might have different domain names in use inside the LAN? |
| 02:50.10 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: No, just that "within the lan" has one domain, outside domains are different. |
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| 02:50.30 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: There are some conventional defaults that some software assumes if it's not set. |
| 02:50.31 | gnarface | jhutchins: you shoudl clarify that statement. i think that you meant to tell him its best if it IS a real external domain, so long as its one you're in control of |
| 02:50.39 | jhutchins | mrtnt1: Have fun! Play network administrator! |
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| 02:51.07 | jhutchins | What I mean is that it should not match an existing external domain, so that the DNS does not become confused. |
| 02:51.47 | gnarface | right. don't HIJACK someone else's and repurpose/override it for local use... but don't purposefully name it *.local or some drivel like that either except as a last resort |
| 02:51.47 | jhutchins | I can make mine hutchins.net, even though that exists externally, but I would not be able to access the external hutchins.net |
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| 02:53.27 | jhutchins | You could use mordor.net and have servers named mtdoom and minasithil and such. |
| 02:53.55 | jhutchins | asgard.net and have thor, freya, odin, etc. |
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| 02:54.20 | jhutchins | Unfortunately, most of the good ones are taken. |
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| 03:00.18 | mrtnt1 | In which case one would set swap area bootabe? :P |
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| 03:01.01 | mrtnt1 | *bootable |
| 03:01.17 | centHOGG | idk bout that |
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| 03:02.31 | gnarface | mrtnt1: uh... i know that for hibernate states swap is often used to store the memory state... but bootable? that sounds scary to me... |
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| 03:06.33 | casts | mrtnt1: you wouldn't. |
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| 03:08.47 | centHOGG | when does a swap kick in to help? I have 4gig mem |
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| 03:09.10 | casts | hard to tell, in a well speced system it is generally not used |
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| 03:09.40 | mrtnt1 | gnarface, casts: ok, that's what I thought. I asked because during the partitioning the swap area, only option is "set bootable flag YES/NO" |
| 03:10.06 | gnarface | centHOGG: swap isn't always used just for what doesn't fit in physical memory, some programs use it specifically for certain types of low priority caches |
| 03:10.49 | centHOGG | gnarface: how big do you set up swap? |
| 03:11.02 | casts | gnarface: and how would a program do that? i'm curious, |
| 03:11.43 | gnarface | centHOGG: depends on the purpose. for my desktops i've never needed more than 2GB so far, but i've set up virtualized systems and given the host 6GB or more and still needed to add to that |
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| 03:12.04 | gnarface | casts: its above my head, honestly. i'm not a real programmer, i just have seen it happen. |
| 03:12.16 | centHOGG | gnarface: 2gb mininum? |
| 03:12.21 | casts | gnarface: oh, are you sure they programs deliberately do it? |
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| 03:13.40 | gnarface | centHOGG: on a modern desktop system 2GB is a safe bet. you can always add more later (linux can use multiple partitions and/or files for swap space) |
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| 03:14.05 | casts | centHOGG: i don't use any swap. haven't for years. everything works great :) |
| 03:14.08 | centHOGG | gnarface: I'm kinda skimpy on swap |
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| 03:14.16 | gnarface | casts: no not sure actually that is entirely based on heresay (someone in this channel told me that actually) and observation of the output of "free -mt" under different usage scenarios |
| 03:14.18 | casts | its a misconception that swap is needed |
| 03:14.21 | centHOGG | like whatever is left over after I part up the drive |
| 03:15.04 | gnarface | centHOGG: with 4GB of physical you're not likely to notice any difference with/without swap for 99% of what you're likely to do. |
| 03:15.34 | gnarface | centHOGG: load up a copy of World of Warcraft in wine however and watch it soak it all up like a sponge.... |
| 03:16.04 | centHOGG | how much ram do you have? |
| 03:16.34 | gnarface | as of last week, i also have 4GB |
| 03:16.41 | gnarface | i was on 2GB for the bulk of the past year |
| 03:16.44 | casts | 2GB \m/ |
| 03:16.56 | centHOGG | DDR3 or DDR2? |
| 03:17.00 | gnarface | DDR2 |
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| 03:17.05 | centHOGG | me too |
| 03:17.05 | gnarface | 1066 |
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| 03:17.11 | gnarface | 2GB swap |
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| 03:17.19 | centHOGG | DDR3 is really cheap |
| 03:17.22 | MrFrood | thinks 4GB is an awful lot just to pla empire |
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| 03:17.48 | centHOGG | <spare toliman lying around |
| 03:18.24 | gnarface | so, the nice thing about swap is you can add swap on the fly |
| 03:18.35 | centHOGG | swapon |
| 03:18.35 | gnarface | and it doesn't *have* to be partitions, and it doesn't have to be contiguous |
| 03:19.13 | gnarface | if you are using solid state drives however i've heard many people say that swap will kill them |
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| 03:19.17 | Kitu | hello |
| 03:19.25 | centHOGG | hi |
| 03:19.33 | centHOGG | looking at SSD drives too |
| 03:19.37 | Kitu | in my fstab I have /dev/sda2 /var ext4 defaults 1 2 |
| 03:20.00 | Kitu | and I have "[mntent]: line 2 in /etc/fstab is bad" |
| 03:20.10 | Kitu | when I mount le partition |
| 03:20.17 | Kitu | the* |
| 03:20.34 | casts | a lot of what people say is BS |
| 03:20.48 | centHOGG | nowadays |
| 03:20.57 | Kitu | so WTF ? |
| 03:21.21 | nkuttler | just buy more ram. who needs to swap if you can afford an ssd.. |
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| 03:22.05 | centHOGG | my heatsink cooler covers up the extra ram module spaces |
| 03:22.15 | casts | considering you hardly ever hit swap, and somehow SSDs manage to survive journalling filesystems, i'm sure it would be fine. plus there would be a nice performance boost |
| 03:22.35 | Kitu | and my /var is empty because /dev/sda2 mount his anyway |
| 03:22.41 | Kitu | but fstab is bad ... |
| 03:24.05 | Kitu | dans in mtab I have : |
| 03:24.26 | Kitu | /dev/sda2 /var ext4 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
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| 03:24.52 | Kitu | I have juste create partition with cfdisk |
| 03:25.15 | Kitu | and # mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda2 |
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| 03:26.10 | Kitu | a subjection ? :) |
| 03:26.39 | centHOGG | idk |
| 03:26.57 | Kitu | :/ |
| 03:27.16 | sherl0ck | im working with thttpd under debian 6.0 - im trying to get vhosts working, in the manuel it said vhost was configure for debian, anyone expierence thttpd in 6.0? |
| 03:27.22 | sherl0ck | wasnt* |
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| 03:46.34 | __sephiroth | sup all |
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| 03:46.55 | __sephiroth | anyone know of backtrack? |
| 03:51.49 | u-ninja | __sephiroth, yes its based on ubuntu |
| 03:52.15 | __sephiroth | u-ninja, i thought it was based on debian lol |
| 03:52.37 | u-ninja | __sephiroth, bt3 was as of bt4 they used ubuntu |
| 03:53.02 | __sephiroth | Anyways i was thinking of diving head first into network sec you can install backtrack as a reg os right? |
| 03:53.51 | u-ninja | __sephiroth, you *can* but honestly its a pain to keep up to date. the best choice would be install it on an older laptop / desktop |
| 03:56.09 | __sephiroth | u-ninja, you think it would be vulnerable? i mean no one really uses it as desktop... anyhow |
| 03:56.13 | jmarsden | __sephiroth: This is #debian. Discussion of bt5 would be more appropriate in #backtrack-linux (bt4 is already unsupported, IIRC). |
| 03:56.20 | u-ninja | some of the main issues are caused because a few of the tools require kernel modules to be manually built every time you update the kernel, there is 4 different versions of python, 4-5 versions of gcc, etc, etc. not to mention the repo breaks if you run anything nonstandard |
| 03:56.46 | __sephiroth | u-ninja oic |
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| 04:04.21 | wizzr | i'm wizzr, and i love debian. |
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| 04:21.19 | eppa | my BIOS can't see my SATA controller after the POST, all it can see is a small flash device which shows up as an IDE drive. The Squeeze installer detects the controller with my real HDDs attached, however, and I have installed successfully to HDD. Now, I boot into Rescue mode to create a custom initramfs to hopefully load the relevant kernel module for the (hidden) SATA controller before switching to the real root device, and have |
| 04:21.20 | eppa | installed grub2 onto the flash drive (containing the /boot directory) with a config to load my custom initramfs. When I run 'grub-install /dev/sda' (to the flash drive), from a chrooted mount of my real install, the grub core.img written to the flash drive still seems to reference the real root partition when looking for the grub.cfg NOT the (visible) flash drive. I can't figure out where this reference is coming from :( Can someone |
| 04:21.20 | eppa | offer any help please? :) |
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| 04:30.19 | wols | eppa: what kind of hardware is this? and normally, grub.cfg is under /boot in /boot/grub. what happens if you let grub do like it wants to right now and then reboot? |
| 04:30.38 | wols | normally, grub should power up, just no menu showing. it'd would show a grub> prompt instead |
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| 04:34.22 | eppa | it's a NAS. After rebooting it ends up at a "grub rescue>" prompt. From that prompt if I 'ls' I see the flash drive and its contents (including "/boot/grub/grub.cfg"), and if I execute "set" I see that it thinks "root" is the (module-requiring) partition on the real HDD |
| 04:35.25 | eppa | wols: I want "root" at that point to be the flash drive, from which the custom initramfs can be loaded, my disk controller module loaded, and the real root to be mounted |
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| 04:36.31 | eppa | wols: i386 platform btw |
| 04:36.52 | wols | the custom initramfs is never on the root device but on the /boot one |
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| 04:37.36 | eppa | yes, the flash drive (temporary root) contains the /boot directory |
| 04:37.51 | eppa | and the BIOS is set to boot from the flash drive |
| 04:38.09 | wols | use the --root-directory=DIR option in grub-install |
| 04:38.17 | centHOGG | trying to freenas there |
| 04:38.21 | wols | the flash drive is NEVER root |
| 04:38.26 | wols | not even temporary. never |
| 04:38.32 | eppa | hmm |
| 04:39.07 | eppa | what should I set the --root-directory option to? the flash drive? |
| 04:39.20 | wols | what grub sees as "root" and what your linux see as / is a different thing. when you run the rescue mode debian, where does /boot point to? |
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| 04:40.05 | wols | in your rescue mode, please show us the output of "mount" |
| 04:40.32 | eppa | wols: rescue mode debian; /boot is a directory on a disk on the undetected controller: I then copy /boot to the mounted flash drive |
| 04:40.38 | eppa | ok, will do |
| 04:41.03 | wols | eppa: that is where you fail. in rescue mode /boot must be on the flash device ONLY |
| 04:41.28 | wols | if you do that then grub will install properly without any commandline options too |
| 04:41.59 | wols | you can't do a grub-install and then copy the grub files to some other place |
| 04:42.05 | eppa | hmm, so how do I tell debian rescue mode to use the /boot on the flash? |
| 04:42.08 | eppa | ah ok |
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| 04:42.16 | wols | you mount /boot from the flash |
| 04:42.28 | dudz_ | hey i'm having grub issues also, i ran grub-install /dev/sda from the rescue thinking it would fix my dual boot though now i have no boots :) |
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| 04:42.45 | eppa | wols: OK, gimme a minute to try that |
| 04:43.15 | wols | dudz_: more info needed |
| 04:44.25 | dudz_ | i have sdg1 (windows 7 bootloader), sdg2 (ntfs for windows c drive), sdg3 (/boot for debian), sdg4 (LVM for debian install) |
| 04:44.38 | dudz_ | i booted from the debian cd, selected my lvroot |
| 04:45.03 | dudz_ | then executed a shell in it, then ran grub-install /dev/sdg and now i have grub shell |
| 04:45.06 | dudz_ | when i boot |
| 04:45.16 | wols | %tell dudz_ about fixmbr |
| 04:45.24 | eppa | ^^this is basically what I've got too |
| 04:45.39 | wols | and make sure your sdg3 is mounted at the right place before you execute grub-install |
| 04:47.02 | dudz_ | okg reat i'll write that down and give it a shot, i'm usin the linux mint livecd atm to have internet access |
| 04:47.55 | wols | if you use the mint cd on the machine having the trouble, you can do it all right now |
| 04:48.17 | wols | any linux will work for the fixmbr factoid, doesn't need to be the debian cd |
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| 04:52.21 | eppa | wols: thanks! that did it :) I didn't make the connection between having to mount /boot in place like that and grub-install |
| 04:52.38 | eppa | now just have to debug my initramfs/init :) |
| 04:53.59 | wols | boot from debian rescue cd. chroot into your system again exactly like you did for grub |
| 04:54.39 | wols | then recreate the initramfs normally, no special tricks required. that should do it. or: you just create a new, custom kernel for your NAS |
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| 04:54.58 | wols | a custom kernel without initramfs that is |
| 04:57.23 | eppa | ah, are you saying I shouldn't even need a custom initramfs now? just the stock initrd.img-2.6â¦â¦ ? |
| 04:57.49 | eppa | but with /etc/initramfs.d file containing the config to load my SATA chipset module? |
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| 04:59.50 | dudz_ | so wols , i need to mount my entire system as it would be when its booted, then chroot to it and run those things dselect mentioned ? |
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| 05:00.33 | dudz_ | is there a way to test it without rebooting ? |
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| 05:01.50 | wols | test what? |
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| 05:05.02 | dudz_ | test that the system is going to boot |
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| 05:06.37 | dudz_ | i need to load lvm, i've installed the libdevmapper packages, though nothing shows up in /dev/mapper still |
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| 05:09.37 | wols | you cannot test grub except by using it to boot |
| 05:12.56 | UD | hwo do i get x to start when i boot up my laptop, runinit 3 is what i'm booting into, but x doesn't run on that correct? so where do i look so i can change that so i can run x on startup |
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| 05:20.42 | nkadun | I'm using lostirc, and this is a Test |
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| 05:21.39 | tp43 | How do you play videos on your desktop from you laptop. I can't remember. It is something link DISPLAY=:- mplayer movie.avi |
| 05:22.11 | tp43 | How do you play videos on your desktop from you laptop. I can't remember. It is something like DISPLAY=:0 mplayer movie.avi |
| 05:22.15 | dudz_ | you mean you ssh to your desktop pc from your laptop ? |
| 05:22.27 | nkadun | nkadun, to myself |
| 05:22.58 | zykotick9 | %runlevels | UD |
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| 05:23.05 | zykotick9 | %runlevels |
| 05:23.05 | dselect | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 05:23.16 | tp43 | dudz_, no telnet |
| 05:23.35 | dudz_ | why would you install telnet lol |
| 05:23.54 | tp43 | dudz_, c'mon can you just tell me the command |
| 05:24.04 | dudz_ | look it up |
| 05:24.09 | tp43 | I tried |
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| 05:24.31 | zykotick9 | UD, do you have gnome/gdm installed? |
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| 05:26.06 | dudz_ | howto build /dev/mapper ? i have some lvm's there showing up when i lvscan etc, but there not in the mapper area for me to be able to mount them |
| 05:26.35 | dudz_ | i'm using a live cd atm of mint |
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| 05:29.29 | wols | %tell tp43 about sshx |
| 05:29.41 | eppa | which is the de-facto way to mount for systems where disks are added and removed? LABEL or UUID? |
| 05:33.07 | UD | zykotick9: enlightenment |
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| 05:34.09 | dudz_ | arh figured it out, i needed to lvchange -a y /dev/vg01/lvroot etc |
| 05:34.12 | dudz_ | splendid |
| 05:34.25 | zykotick9 | UD, sorry i have no idea how enlightenment handles XDM/GDM stuff. Good luck. But runlevels are more-or-less not used in Debian |
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| 05:34.43 | UD | zykotick9: cheers anyways |
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| 05:38.11 | wols | UD: you simply run a display manager, which ever one you want. |
| 05:38.14 | wols | %runlevel |
| 05:38.14 | dselect | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
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| 05:46.39 | eppa | well I now have my perfect NAS setup. Thanks for helping me out, wols |
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| 05:49.33 | dudz_ | ok great gonna try boot into my system again. |
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| 07:34.49 | qop | so... if you take a drive and restore mbr with dd in=mymbr.img of=/dev/sdb |
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| 07:35.12 | qop | then cfdisk /dev/sdb right after... I should be able to see the partitions correctly and no errors... right? |
| 07:35.37 | qop | even if I havent restored partitions with partimage yet |
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| 07:42.19 | wols | qop: no. the kernel doesn't know about these partitions yet. you might have to reboot. then it will see them |
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| 07:43.01 | qop | wols: all right... thing is I did restore the mbr and then did the partimage part. but the drive still doesn boot |
| 07:43.22 | qop | in fact the bios doesnt even seem to recognize it and after reboot cfdisk still complains |
| 07:43.31 | qop | btw... do you never sleep??? :o |
| 07:43.44 | wols | it's 9:44 am |
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| 07:44.11 | wols | so what is in the MBR? |
| 07:44.27 | wols | %errors |
| 07:44.27 | dselect | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 07:44.58 | mmnicolas | I love you guys |
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| 07:46.55 | Bushmills | "bios doesn't recognize it" - that's, the drive, not the partitions on it? |
| 07:47.00 | qop | wols: ok: dd if=/dev/sdb of=./dell-MBR bs=512 count=1 --- partimage backup saved to dell.img --- dd if=./dell-MBR of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 --- restore dell.img with partimage. reboot and test. local machine still complain that partition goes beyond partition table. original machine doesnt boot and bios does not recognize it. |
| 07:47.10 | qop | and of course, the drives are exaclty the same so... |
| 07:47.15 | Bushmills | as in "drive doesn't show in device list"? |
| 07:47.40 | qop | Bushmills: yes, bootable drives in bios |
| 07:47.40 | wols | qop: again, what is on the MBR exactly? |
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| 07:48.10 | wols | qop: I asked you this yesterday and I will ask it today until you answer. so stop asking and provide me the info please |
| 07:48.18 | qop | wols: the output of dd if=./dell.img bs=512 count=1 |
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| 07:48.32 | qop | sorry, wrong guy |
| 07:48.53 | wols | I want to see the raw contents of the MBR. |
| 07:49.05 | qop | wols: all right... 1 minute |
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| 07:49.42 | wols | and I want the exact BIOS error message too btw |
| 07:49.53 | Bushmills | qop: whether a drive show or doesn't show in the list of bootable device is not related to what its MBR is |
| 07:50.10 | Bushmills | bios will happily show drives you can not boot from as bootable |
| 07:50.21 | qop | wols: I can... paste it out... or should I filter it with... dunno... okteta? |
| 07:50.22 | Bushmills | that means, fix your bios settings |
| 07:51.10 | qop | Bushmills: uhm, tried default settings reset w/o luck either there |
| 07:51.54 | Bushmills | your bios may know nothing about the interface you have hooked the drive up on |
| 07:52.40 | qop | hehe, megauload crashed on it |
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| 07:53.31 | blop1 | Hi. What commando is needed to make /etc/ppp/peers readable and writtable fpr group dialout? |
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| 07:54.05 | wols | qop: lookint at the hexadecimal view in a pastebin should be enough |
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| 07:54.22 | wols | Bushmills: it does. BIOS checks for "55 AA" |
| 07:54.40 | wols | %tell blop1 about permissions |
| 07:54.50 | wols | blop1: the command you need is chmod |
| 07:55.41 | blop1 | wols: Could you please tell me the exact command? It is very important and I'm trying to fix a problem since hours. |
| 07:56.08 | qop | wols: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5CWP6RH5 |
| 07:56.32 | wols | if you are too lazy to read up on documentation I am too lazy to spoonfeed you like a 12 month old baby. fair is fair |
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| 07:57.33 | blop1 | wols: I have no time for reading documentation now. I need a problem fixed. |
| 07:57.35 | qop | wols: exact BIOS error? wish I had logs or something but all I know is that the bios either complain that the drive is not present although it is. or simply hangs no errors on other machines. I have several identical pcs here |
| 07:57.40 | wols | blop1: have a nice day |
| 07:57.40 | Bushmills | wols: for bios extensions, yes. for master boot record, no |
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| 07:57.49 | qop | blop1: uh... bad answer |
| 07:57.56 | darkf | blop1: surely your problem would be fixed much faster if you read the rather short documentation |
| 07:58.16 | darkf | or perhaps a google search |
| 07:58.26 | wols | blop1: and fixed much faster if you stopped arguing and doing the reading |
| 07:58.34 | ompaul | blop1 compromise position goto wikipedia |
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| 08:00.39 | wols | qop: your MBR is totally trash |
| 08:00.50 | qop | :( |
| 08:01.04 | qop | wols: how do you test it? so that I can too |
| 08:01.13 | wols | look at it in a Hex editor |
| 08:01.21 | qop | and figure out what went wrong |
| 08:01.29 | qop | kk |
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| 08:02.26 | wols | from 0x17e onwards the only thing allowed is the partition table. instead of a partition table we have a GRUB Geom Harddisk... ascii string there |
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| 08:03.00 | wols | qop: first thing is: you need to create a proper image of the harddisk you want to clone. from the looks of it that is the problem |
| 08:03.07 | wols | the source harddisk, did it have grub installed? |
| 08:03.30 | lxsameer | hi , i'm looking for a backing up tool, i want to backup my server , what do you suggest? |
| 08:03.40 | wols | !backup |
| 08:03.44 | wols | %backup |
| 08:03.45 | dselect | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 08:03.57 | qop | wols: yes, but I thought to be doing it right: dd if=/dev/sdb of=./mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 08:04.10 | blop1 | exit |
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| 08:04.26 | qop | if thats not right I declare myself dummy |
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| 08:04.36 | ompaul | if he read the documentation he would have known to put a / in front of it |
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| 08:04.56 | wols | < qop> so... if you take a drive and restore mbr with dd in=mymbr.img of=/dev/sdb where is "mymbr.img" from? have you checked mymbr.img? |
| 08:05.23 | wols | ompaul: I don't get with it should be wirtable for dialout... |
| 08:05.29 | bzed | lxsameer: have a look at backuppc |
| 08:05.52 | qop | wols: exactly what I did but I used the bs and count on the restore part too. and didnt check the mbr until you just did now. installing an hex |
| 08:06.03 | ompaul | wols: for the exit ;-) |
| 08:06.18 | bzed | lxsameer: I have a little atom box wth tons of disk space which backups my servers and all other machines using backuppc |
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| 08:06.48 | qop | lxsameer: depends on what os and if you want to do scheduled or networked images or just some raw backup |
| 08:07.10 | wols | and it depends on the intended backup media |
| 08:07.28 | lxsameer | bzed: thanks |
| 08:07.39 | lxsameer | qop: i want to make a backup just now |
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| 08:08.47 | ArdRigh | any gurus here on DNS ? :) |
| 08:08.50 | deStone | i just created a debootstrap for squeeze on a lenny install -- is this possible? i cant chroot into it |
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| 08:08.51 | qop | lxsameer: what os? what size is the server, what size is the backup media. local backup? network backup... |
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| 08:09.01 | lxsameer | qop: debian of course |
| 08:09.17 | ompaul | ArdRigh: you been told before, ask your question, one persons guru is another beginners :) |
| 08:09.20 | deStone | sorry, created a chroot using deboostrap |
| 08:09.44 | qop | lxsameer: id use partimage then. but there are tastes |
| 08:09.56 | lxsameer | qop: server is about 2G my local client have enough disk space, it will be good to backup via network with schedule |
| 08:10.23 | ompaul | lxsameer: 2G? |
| 08:10.48 | wols | ompaul: more than enough for a debian installation |
| 08:10.49 | ArdRigh | OK, I have a VPS setup, I am trying to figure out the best method to have MX record. It's a single domain/single host to hold my emails. I have an A record for the domain name, and a single MX record, pointing to the domain. I am wondering is it better to have a second A record eg mail.domain.com to point the MX record too? |
| 08:10.55 | lxsameer | ompaul: my data on server, i want to backup everything , i prefer an image |
| 08:11.21 | ompaul | lxsameer: how often does the data on the server change, and if so by how much. |
| 08:11.24 | deStone | HOLY FUCKING GOD |
| 08:11.33 | deStone | i just rm -rf * the my root |
| 08:11.34 | deStone | FUCK |
| 08:11.37 | deStone | sorry |
| 08:11.44 | qop | lxsameer: ah if you want that then amanda or backupmypc would do. but if you have so much room in the same drive I would just boot an live cd and dd the drive that is quite small into some media |
| 08:11.46 | wols | we understand deStone |
| 08:12.06 | wols | deStone: see it positive. now you have a good reason to upgrade the whole box to squeeze |
| 08:12.07 | deStone | ok, i ctrl-c'd isntantly |
| 08:12.14 | lxsameer | ompaul: data changes on some sqlite database and a mysql one, and when i configure something new |
| 08:12.19 | deStone | i dont have /bin |
| 08:12.20 | Bushmills | ArdRigh: you MX record refers to a host name. for that host name must also exist an A record |
| 08:12.31 | deStone | i still have my /home dir though |
| 08:12.38 | deStone | cant ls |
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| 08:12.51 | ompaul | deStone: happy live cd day in that cast |
| 08:12.53 | ompaul | deStone: happy live cd day in that case |
| 08:12.54 | lxsameer | qop: i have no physical access to my server |
| 08:13.27 | ArdRigh | Bushmills: Yeah. I have a single A record for the domain, which points to my VPS IP address. And single MX record which points to the domain/ip address in the A record. |
| 08:13.48 | ArdRigh | Bushmills: What I was wondering, is it better to create a second A record though, pointing to the same IP address for the domain? |
| 08:14.00 | Bushmills | that will do. pointing it to an alternative host name is optional, matter of taste, or personal preference |
| 08:14.33 | Bushmills | as you may want to use a different machine to be your MX, it probably makes sense to use a dedicated record |
| 08:14.45 | ompaul | lxsameer: you don't want an image you just want to get your data and /etc package list, an image tends to be something that you can mount and dd back into place without the physical access that is kind of pointless |
| 08:14.54 | qop | lxsameer: do you have another linux machines in the same site? |
| 08:15.17 | lxsameer | qop: nop just my client |
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| 08:16.25 | qop | lxsameer: do you need to backup the drive or just the data? |
| 08:16.27 | deStone | ok |
| 08:16.30 | qop | mean, config and stuff |
| 08:16.58 | deStone | ok ok ok -- can i use rsync, rsync an old chroot's /lenny-chroot/bin to /bin? |
| 08:17.01 | lxsameer | qop: i need everything i prefer a way to restore my data without pain |
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| 08:17.22 | qop | lxsameer: google about rsync backups |
| 08:17.26 | ompaul | lxsameer: what are you running on that box |
| 08:17.30 | qop | thats your best bet afaik |
| 08:17.36 | qop | ompaul: deb |
| 08:18.35 | lxsameer | ompaul: debian |
| 08:19.04 | ompaul | lxsameer: that was a given, applications etc |
| 08:19.17 | lxsameer | thanks guys |
| 08:19.20 | qop | lxsameer: or... you can setup a dual boot and then boot to the other OS. then pipe the whole system through some compressor and tehn through rsync, that would backup nearbly everything |
| 08:19.31 | ompaul | lxsameer: have a look at this one - not too bad: http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/10/9/backing-up-your-files-with-rsync |
| 08:19.36 | qop | plus some mbr backup that should do |
| 08:19.53 | ompaul | lxsameer: it is a vps? |
| 08:20.04 | lxsameer | ompaul: yup |
| 08:20.42 | ompaul | lxsameer: so an image is something you would have to send to the vps people, in a lot of cases for a couple of dollars pounds euros or yen they will usually give you some space |
| 08:21.02 | qop | wols: ohhh... looks like there was some i/o eror when backing up mbr |
| 08:21.09 | qop | it explains it |
| 08:21.14 | lxsameer | ompaul: thanks man |
| 08:21.36 | qop | ompaul: or rupies |
| 08:21.45 | ompaul | lxsameer: if you mess up the box you really want to repopulate the data, so have a good look around at what you thing your data is, and do check out /var ;-) there are things in there you most likely want to refer to if not actually have |
| 08:21.59 | ompaul | qop: them and lots more |
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| 08:23.09 | KnightsWhoSayNi | ! |
| 08:23.48 | Bushmills | backups are for weenies who are too lazy to rewrite everything from scratch |
| 08:24.21 | qop | Bushmills: so you can get an Asterisk from scratch back and running in 5 minutes? |
| 08:24.31 | qop | with 6 trunks, like 500 extensions... |
| 08:24.56 | Bushmills | doing backups for that feels almost like cheating :D |
| 08:25.00 | qop | I'd pay to see you try that in production |
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| 08:25.45 | deStone | WHAHAHAHA - "rsync -rv /lenny-chroot/bin /" FTW |
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| 08:27.13 | rverdugo | hi people! |
| 08:27.16 | Bushmills | qop: did i get that right, you'd pay me to see me setting up a 6 trunk asterisk setup with 500 extensions? |
| 08:27.43 | ompaul | Bushmills: I think you might have missed the ironic part, just saying ;-) |
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| 08:28.14 | qop | Bushmills: out of a zeroed drive in less than 5 minutes |
| 08:28.18 | Bushmills | ompaul: not for no reason did i skip the "5 min" spec |
| 08:28.25 | qop | Bushmills: yes :p |
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| 08:29.14 | Bushmills | see, insisting in 5 min is a clear indication of "too lazy" |
| 08:29.47 | Bushmills | if it was hard to configure - why should it be easy to restore. |
| 08:29.47 | darkf | or "trying too hard" |
| 08:29.51 | wgetfree | \who |
| 08:29.52 | ompaul | qop: I have boxes that find it hard to boot in less than three minutes - that would make that job even more interesting - two nas boxes one for asterisk the other for backup empty box with ssd drive mounts nas on nfs more than one - what was it you wanted again ;-) |
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| 08:32.45 | qop | I'd say "practical" |
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| 08:38.41 | deStone | is there a way to check my debian install (to make sure i'm not missing anything important)? |
| 08:39.38 | wols | %reinstall |
| 08:39.38 | dselect | reinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
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| 08:41.01 | qop | what happened to dpkg? |
| 08:41.57 | wols | summer vacation |
| 08:43.14 | qop | oh |
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| 08:51.56 | pozic | !nopubkey |
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| 08:52.47 | wols | %msgthebot |
| 08:52.47 | dselect | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
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| 08:52.56 | wols | pozic: /msg dselect no public key |
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| 08:58.45 | pozic | wols: does anyone @ DebianHQ understand even remotely something about cryptography? |
| 08:59.19 | pozic | Since, they are doing it wrong... |
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| 09:05.13 | Leoneof | pozic: wot |
| 09:07.15 | pozic | Leoneof: you can ask any second year CS student what is wrong with the Debian security system. |
| 09:07.40 | pozic | Leoneof: and they will tell you within 30 seconds after they understand how it works. |
| 09:07.47 | eject_ck | Hi all , I need to save attachment and get subject in my bash script. I'm using fetchmail/procmail to get and filter mail from POP3 server. I'm using mimemail to extract attachment from mailbody. Unfortunatelly mimemail not allows me to get filename from output :(. Really needs your advice guys. Thank you in advance |
| 09:08.00 | pozic | Ubuntu did this wrong years ago, but they now fixed it, IIRC. |
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| 09:09.08 | qop | pozic: if you have some bug/error to report, we'd appreciate a propper report. otherwise complaining wouldn't do a thing |
| 09:09.37 | Leoneof | o_O |
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| 09:10.38 | pozic | qop: I explained this a few years ago already. People agreed, but generally didn't care. |
| 09:11.25 | pozic | qop: the signing keys come from an insecure source. |
| 09:11.42 | qop | ah... that |
| 09:11.51 | Leoneof | how O_O |
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| 09:12.05 | pozic | qop: there is no way to get a version of Debian without your own private rootkit. |
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| 09:13.14 | pozic | qop: what is your opinion on that? |
| 09:13.53 | qop | that I lack of objective opinion atm |
| 09:14.19 | pozic | qop: you are the guy who built the system? ;) |
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| 09:15.15 | qop | no, but I'm the guy who kicks troll's balls |
| 09:15.24 | qop | report a bug |
| 09:16.12 | pozic | qop: do you look like a gorilla? |
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| 09:16.59 | themill | pozic: if you don't have something useful to say, perhaps you'd like to jog on. Feel free to report a bug against ftp.debian.org if you've actually got anything intereting to say |
| 09:17.56 | pozic | themill: uhm, he was the one calling me a troll. |
| 09:18.09 | pozic | themill: also, what I said is completely true. |
| 09:18.13 | themill | pozic: as ever, you are |
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| 09:18.32 | pozic | themill: you can also just say 'Thank you for the free cryptographic advice'. |
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| 09:18.45 | themill | Thank you for the free cryptographic advice' |
| 09:18.45 | wols | pozic: it should give you pause for thought that random people who don't know you see you for what you are :) |
| 09:18.57 | qop | lol |
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| 09:20.41 | joshsmith | well that was a fun read xD |
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| 09:20.45 | daniel-s | If I want to search for a file, I usually use "find . |grep -i filename" |
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| 09:21.01 | Leoneof | it is true? |
| 09:21.03 | daniel-s | I want to do something similar, but that searches through file contents for a string or regex |
| 09:21.04 | Leoneof | O_O |
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| 09:21.23 | daniel-s | rather than just filenames |
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| 09:22.43 | cahoot | grep -r ? |
| 09:23.25 | daniel-s | is it possible to cat recursively |
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| 09:23.58 | themill | %uuoc |
| 09:23.58 | dselect | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 09:24.19 | aLgEBrA | daniel-s, you can use cat in a for loop |
| 09:24.30 | themill | dselect: just "grep -r pattern start_point" is sufficient |
| 09:24.30 | dselect | themill: that's too long |
| 09:24.35 | wols | daniel-s: grep already can search recursively as cahoot showed you |
| 09:24.38 | themill | daniel-s: just "grep -r pattern start_point" is sufficient |
| 09:24.39 | cahoot | can't he simply use grep? |
| 09:24.43 | themill | dselect: shaddup |
| 09:24.43 | dselect | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 09:25.12 | daniel-s | :'( |
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| 09:25.27 | daniel-s | I've been using cat x |grep something for YEARS |
| 09:25.42 | daniel-s | I had no idea |
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| 09:27.20 | aLgEBrA | possibly you can fgrep '*' and inverse output to only not matching lines or so .. not tested this |
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| 09:38.14 | pewz | Hey, I have some problems with my network configuration on my other computer. I just installed Debian, and suddenly the network configuration stopped working. dmesg complained about missing firmware, so I installed that using a USB stick. But now I am getting the following error in dmesg: eth0: unable to apply firmware patch |
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| 09:40.00 | wols | what hardware is it? |
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| 09:42.12 | pewz | Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller |
| 09:42.21 | themill | Leoneof: "is it true?" No. pozic simply doesn't understand the web of trust and is unable to find https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 09:43.02 | Leoneof | themill: aha, thanks :) |
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| 09:43.53 | themill | (and yes, I put up with 15 minutes of ad hominems to find out that level of detail of his claims) |
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| 09:50.17 | GreenDance | Hi |
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| 09:50.38 | wols | yes? |
| 09:52.02 | GreenDance | I'm offering a few people I know free space (www) on my server, I was wondering can I lock them into their own directories so they cant see other peoples directories? |
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| 09:54.33 | wols | make home directories 700 by default. IIRC that should be what debian does anyways |
| 09:54.58 | TimmyT | lxsameer: hey dude |
| 09:55.01 | GreenDance | that isnt strong enough though |
| 09:55.05 | themill | %user private groups |
| 09:55.06 | dselect | [user private groups] a system configuration idiom which allows users to collaborate by granting shared access to a directory and its content. Access is controlled by associating each collaborative project team with a Un*x group and then granting Un*x group membership to the userids of the designated project members. http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups |
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| 09:55.13 | lxsameer | TimmyT: hey |
| 09:55.58 | wols | GreenDance: why isn't that strong enough? |
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| 09:57.13 | Bushmills | because he said he knows those few people :) |
| 09:58.09 | wols | if it's that bad he shouldn't allow them on his server in the first place :) |
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| 10:07.58 | amijay | Hello there debian users. |
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| 10:08.50 | amijay | Does anybody out there live in the united kingdom? |
| 10:09.07 | wols | amijay: ask your real debian support question |
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| 10:11.04 | amijay | Wols, apologies, I am just trolling through the ircs trying to find out who is online, |
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| 10:31.34 | jaakkos | for me in debian testing, sun-java6-plugin doesn't seem to work for iceweasel 5.0 from mozilla.debian.net... |
| 10:31.56 | jaakkos | the symlink to the .so is in /plugins but iceweasel doesn't seem to care about it. it doesn't show up in plugins at all. |
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| 10:32.43 | jaakkos | (it worked before i installed iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net) |
| 10:32.58 | jaakkos | has anyone else seen this problem? |
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| 10:33.30 | cool_code | jaakkos, try to close iceweasel and reopen after installation |
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| 10:33.57 | isodude_ | Hi, so I booted the debian squeeze netboot, went into the terminal, and tried to install vlan and bridge-utils packages. 'dpkg' was no where to be found though. Am I just missing the obvious here? Did the same thing like last week =( |
| 10:34.18 | jaakkos | unfortunately, doesn't work. i did that when i attempted dpkg-reconfigure sun-java6-plugin and apt-get --reinstall install sun-java6-plugin. |
| 10:35.15 | jaakkos | this would also be interesting: is anyone running debian testing with iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net AND java works for them? |
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| 10:35.49 | zapadlo | jaakkos What are you trying to do? |
| 10:35.54 | isodude_ | jaakkos: what java does it actually use? like if you do 'lsof -c iceweasel' |
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| 10:36.23 | jaakkos | it doesn't use any java at all. |
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| 10:36.45 | jaakkos | update-alternatives is configured to use sun's JRE. |
| 10:36.47 | cool_code | jaakkos, jre work for me but i manually install software and link plugin |
| 10:37.03 | jaakkos | zapadlo: get sun-java6-plugin work on iceweasel 5.0 from mozilla.debian.net |
| 10:37.17 | zapadlo | jaakkos How do you know it doesn't |
| 10:37.45 | jaakkos | not listed in plugins and obviously no java app works |
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| 10:37.58 | zapadlo | What java app? |
| 10:38.30 | jaakkos | for instance my internet banking. i want to stress that everything was fine before i upgraded to iceweasel 5.0 from mozilla.debian.net. |
| 10:38.49 | jaakkos | i'm wondering if there is a new mozilla directory somewhere with /plugins without the symlink |
| 10:39.37 | zapadlo | jaakkos I'm using iceweasel 5 with sun java and its working here: http://java.sun.com/applets/jdk/1.4/demo/applets/Animator/example1.html |
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| 10:40.29 | cool_code | jaakkos, find libnpjp.so file and make link to iceweasel 5 / plugins / link |
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| 10:41.12 | jaakkos | zapadlo: yeah, missing plugins. well there is the installer in iceweasel but it fails and points me to sun JRE download. that is already installed. |
| 10:41.19 | zapadlo | jaakkos https://pastee.org/dbc2k hope that helps |
| 10:41.21 | jaakkos | cool_code: will try this |
| 10:41.41 | jaakkos | zapadlo: this symlink exists |
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| 10:42.01 | zapadlo | jaakkos And /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so ? |
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| 10:42.18 | jaakkos | zapadlo: points to the .so in sun's JRE |
| 10:42.44 | zapadlo | jaakkos Where is that? |
| 10:42.48 | jaakkos | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 10:43.18 | zapadlo | jaakkos Mine is at: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
| 10:43.19 | cool_code | jaakkos, libnpjp.so is new link file |
| 10:43.54 | jaakkos | will try that. in case it works, what kind of procedure should have fixed this? |
| 10:43.58 | zapadlo | But I'm on 2.6.38-2-686 |
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| 10:45.38 | jaakkos | i'm thinking of apt-get --purge remove sun-java6-plugin && apt-get install sun-java6-plugin... |
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| 10:46.03 | zapadlo | What kernel are you running? |
| 10:46.10 | jaakkos | 2.6.39-2-686-pae |
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| 10:48.00 | jaakkos | zapadlo, cool_code: this worked, very helpful! thanks. |
| 10:48.32 | jaakkos | still this procedure was black magic and imo should never have to be done... |
| 10:50.30 | isodude_ | Anyone that knows anything about missing dpkg on debian netboot? |
| 10:50.56 | isodude_ | my google-fu is not that good today |
| 10:52.05 | zapadlo | jaakkos Latest multi-arch changes broke a lot of things for me, this is testing remmebe |
| 10:52.25 | zapadlo | You are running it at your own risk |
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| 10:53.52 | jaakkos | yeah ;) well, for the past 6 years or so running testing, there have not been too many nasty problems :) |
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| 10:54.44 | Digdilem | the upgrade to perl 5.12 broke a lot of things for myself on testing recently |
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| 10:57.36 | jaakkos | i think that broke our BackupPC at work. |
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| 10:58.01 | Digdilem | yes, that was one app it killed for me. zoneminder another. both kinda critical and needed a change to stable |
| 10:58.25 | Digdilem | still, an opportunity to clean things up a bit, and I shouldn't have been using testing for a prod server anyway :) |
| 10:58.43 | jaakkos | i don't even remember what the fix was |
| 10:58.56 | jaakkos | do you? perhaps i had to pull something from sid, can't remember |
| 10:59.21 | Digdilem | i spent 2 hours googling, couldn't find one. not sure if it was that or zm that needed perl-suid which had entirely disappeared and seemingly unreplaceable |
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| 10:59.40 | Digdilem | but w/e, working now... |
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| 11:00.06 | jaakkos | and yeah we're using testing on some production servers |
| 11:00.11 | Digdilem | i'd learned a lot since i first installed that server, so it was an opportunity to do things a little better this time around |
| 11:00.12 | jaakkos | while there is no good reason really... |
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| 11:01.32 | Digdilem | oh, and I had a shiny ssd i'd just bought, so it was an excuse to use that as boot too.... |
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| 11:09.49 | adminewb | on a 6.0.2 system I have a backported kernel largely working, but a couple symptoms present: bus errors at random intervals (nonfatal for some reason), and every 10sec an invalid EDID from the HDMI port dumps more junk on the console & syslog. Makes it very hard to use any (pseudo)terminal. |
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| 11:10.02 | adminewb | Also, is it possible that a different kernel module can assign a different MAC to a USB wireless 802.11 adapter? |
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| 11:12.17 | adminewb | can't find anywhere in the logs where MAC is noted |
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| 11:20.56 | valdyn | adminewb: macs can change |
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| 11:24.56 | adminewb | valdyn under what conditions |
| 11:25.28 | b3hnam | for installing package in apt I have this error http://dpaste.com/565871/ |
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| 11:25.36 | b3hnam | How can I solve it ? |
| 11:25.50 | adminewb | changing from rt2800sta staging driver to rt2800usb +friends seems an odd reason for MAC to change |
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| 11:26.14 | themill | b3hnam: removing crap from your sources.list and running "apt-get update" |
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| 11:28.25 | adminewb | it would be nice to block all that EDID nonsense from console output |
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| 11:29.45 | valdyn | adminewb: see kernel.printk in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 11:30.12 | adminewb | thanks |
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| 11:32.59 | adminewb | hmm, printk part of sysctl has no man page? |
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| 11:35.20 | qwd | I'm trying to mount a Canon PowerShot S3 by doing the following: "gphoto2 --auto-detect" as ny regular user, "gphotofs ~/canon" as root, but when I try to open that folder it's empty and I can't access it as regular user. Doing "ls" as root gives me "ls: reading directory .: Input/output error" and trying to unmount it with "fusermount -u ~/canon" gives "umount: /home/me/canon: device is busy." |
| 11:36.11 | qwd | "umount -l /home/me/canon" seems to do the trick when unmounting though |
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| 11:40.25 | leejongwook | Hello, I need a little help please. Need to add Windows7 to Grub menu(I have Debian-6) |
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| 11:40.45 | Black_Prince | leejongwook, install os-prober and run update-grub as root |
| 11:40.54 | leejongwook | Black_Prince, Thank you :) |
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| 11:45.35 | nakee | how do I change the source of a package? |
| 11:45.44 | nakee | I mean it was taken from unstable |
| 11:45.53 | nakee | but now I want it to be updated only from testing |
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| 11:47.56 | leejongwook | Black_Prince: Thanks a lot. :) and Thanks to GNU/Debian and FSF. Bye all. |
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| 11:51.53 | dide | sera a tutti |
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| 12:05.17 | skilz | why can't apt find xearth? |
| 12:05.55 | Black_Prince | judd search xearth |
| 12:05.56 | judd | There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 12:06.40 | themill | %dbugs 400850 |
| 12:06.43 | dselect | DONE:#400850:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: xearth -- RoQA; orphaned, buggy, non-free, xplanet is good free replacement (); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:48:01 UTC [400948] |
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| 12:07.21 | skilz | I want to install xearth! |
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| 12:07.44 | Black_Prince | compile+build package yourself then :P |
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| 12:08.28 | daemonkeeper | (if upstream mirrors weren't down) |
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| 12:27.33 | KarateKip3 | Hallow! I want to uninstall some software, but dpkg says it's not installed. Then I go to apt-cache which gives me 3 hits. And when I do a recursive find from / I get many hits. So I gues this will be a manual uninstall, right? How to do that? If I delete all the directories that contain the software, then I'm done? Or is there some kinds registry like in Windows where I have to remove some |
| 12:27.33 | KarateKip3 | entries? |
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| 12:29.10 | KarateKip3 | how do I uninstall software like this? |
| 12:29.28 | Rusty1_ | apt-cache policy <packagename> reports them installed as well? |
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| 12:31.34 | KarateKip3 | Rusty1_: installed = none and candidate = none |
| 12:32.35 | Rusty1_ | then the packages are not installed |
| 12:33.28 | KarateKip3 | okay, so i can go ahead and remove files manually. Thanx |
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| 12:34.06 | Rusty1_ | i might siggest a read of the aptitude man page with attention to the purge option |
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| 12:36.02 | KarateKip3 | Rusty1_: i did read something about purge and it is said that that option is very evil cuz it's some kinds brute force removal |
| 12:36.15 | KarateKip3 | *kinds = kind of |
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| 12:37.14 | Rusty1_ | unless there a files associated with the packages you seek to remove then it is probabble safe than manually removing them, which is rather more brutish |
| 12:37.18 | wols_ | purge is not evil and it is not brute force |
| 12:37.31 | wols_ | purge simply means it also removes config files for this package. nothing more |
| 12:37.51 | Rusty1_ | *safer |
| 12:38.25 | wols_ | no, remove them manually is evil and brute force since then if you ever reinstall this package, dpkg will see that the user manually removed these files and will not recreate them. which will pretty much always break that package |
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| 12:39.13 | wols_ | KarateKip3: do a "dpkg -l <package>" for such a package and you will see a "rc" at the beginning of the line |
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| 12:40.24 | KarateKip3 | i see only pn at the beginning of the line |
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| 12:47.16 | flux242 | Hi, I'm adjusting touchpad settings. How do I force the changes to take effect? (squeeze) |
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| 12:53.20 | zaxonspox | hello how to instal Debian i386 on amd64 computer? |
| 12:54.41 | epsilon | with pure psychokinesis |
| 12:55.33 | wols_ | zaxonspox: normally. any amd64 computer is compatible with i386 |
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| 12:55.57 | wols_ | basically, if you have less than 3-4GB RAM you don't need AMD64 debian anyways |
| 12:56.11 | cusco | flux242: changes should occur when you use synclinet |
| 12:56.13 | zaxonspox | yes, but i did run i386 debian install, and get in result amd64 debian |
| 12:56.26 | cusco | say synclient TapButton1=1 |
| 12:56.27 | wols_ | zaxonspox: no that's not possible |
| 12:56.37 | wols_ | zaxonspox: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 12:57.08 | zaxonspox | i did download i386 ISO, burned, and after install i have amd64 version kernel |
| 12:57.25 | cusco | actually it happened to me, to run a i386 and in kernel choicce i chose the amd64, I don't remember tho if it was the pre defined choice or not |
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| 12:58.22 | cusco | and question priority was set to ignore below low |
| 12:58.23 | cusco | lol |
| 12:59.34 | wols_ | zaxonspox: that doesn't mean you run a amd64 debian. the 64bit kernel can be uses for 32bit userland, and sometimes is preferable |
| 12:59.49 | zaxonspox | wols_: i cant start debian on any i386 computer, so i assume, the installer chosed the amd64 version as it detected amd64 CPU |
| 13:00.13 | zaxonspox | during install |
| 13:00.15 | wols_ | yes probably. if you want you can always install linux-image-2.6-686 instead |
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| 13:00.51 | wols_ | if you do and remove all linux-image*amd64* packages, they won't be installed again |
| 13:00.53 | zaxonspox | instead, or in addition (so i could choose in GRUB what type of kernel i want to run?) |
| 13:01.09 | wols_ | either. works instead or in addition |
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| 13:01.51 | zaxonspox | so when i install 686 kernel, i will be able to run debian on any i386 machine? |
| 13:02.13 | biz | apt-get source nginx/unstable yields: Ignore unavailable target release 'unstable' of package 'nginx'. What's wrong here? apt-get(8) says "pkg/release" syntax is allowed. I have an deb-src entry for unstable and ran apt-get update. |
| 13:02.33 | wols_ | no. i586 (like pentium or K6 CPUs) or 80486 CPUs can't use that debian machine. but they're of the i386 architecture too |
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| 13:03.13 | wols_ | biz: does the -t syntax work? |
| 13:03.25 | biz | wols_: no, same error |
| 13:03.35 | wols_ | show us the sources.list |
| 13:04.14 | biz | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Nk5MA1MZ |
| 13:04.20 | zaxonspox | wols_: thanks for advice, i will try |
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| 13:04.51 | wols_ | zaxonspox: if you want to be compatible with all CPUs debian supports, you need the -486 kernel |
| 13:05.13 | wols_ | but that one cannot use more than 1GB memory and is not optimized for various features of new CPUs |
| 13:05.23 | skilz | why can't apt find xearth? |
| 13:05.27 | skilz | how do I install it |
| 13:05.39 | zaxonspox | i need to be able to run on AMD Duron, Athlon or Intel Atom (external drive) |
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| 13:06.13 | themill | skilz: we've covered this already |
| 13:06.24 | skilz | sorry I dropped out before |
| 13:06.36 | skilz | completely missed it |
| 13:06.38 | wols_ | biz: and it loads the unstable repos on a update? only difference to my line here is a "/" at the end of /debian/ |
| 13:06.40 | themill | skilz: no you didn't... |
| 13:07.31 | skilz | I did I can't see the replys when I scroll up dude |
| 13:07.48 | wols_ | skilz: you got the bug description |
| 13:08.07 | skilz | theres a bug in the package? |
| 13:08.12 | themill | %dbugs 400850 |
| 13:08.15 | dselect | DONE:#400850:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: xearth -- RoQA; orphaned, buggy, non-free, xplanet is good free replacement (); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:48:01 UTC [400948] |
| 13:08.34 | skilz | ah thanks |
| 13:08.49 | biz | wols_: yes, they are loaded. I can see the nginx source packages with apt-cache showsrc and madison |
| 13:08.50 | themill | enables channel logging in skilz's irc client |
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| 13:09.15 | biz | wols_: same result after adding trailing slash and updating |
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| 13:11.19 | wols_ | biz: http://paste.debian.net/122480/ |
| 13:11.20 | newbie22 | *: I am planning on converting an Dell Dimension 2300 pc into a linux box. I trying to decide if I should install Ubuntu or Debian ?? |
| 13:11.26 | wols_ | themill: btw, I'm angling with the paste :P |
| 13:11.45 | wols_ | newbie22: you ask in the wrong channel. just as #ubuntu is the wrong one |
| 13:11.50 | biz | wols_: which apt version? |
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| 13:12.33 | wols_ | 0.8.14.1 (since I run sid) |
| 13:12.47 | zaxonspox | newbie22 it depends on what you want to do (work) on that laptop |
| 13:13.01 | biz | wols_: yeah, works fine here too with the apt version from sid |
| 13:13.35 | wols_ | zaxonspox: laptops don't have 200W power supplies... |
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| 13:14.22 | Parsifal | biz: I get the same result on my server running squeeze, so it looks to be a problem with the version of apt in squeeze |
| 13:14.25 | biz | checks b.d.o... that's what you get when using a squeeze build-system. :/ |
| 13:14.29 | Parsifal | (the same error, that is) |
| 13:15.13 | biz | ok, thanks. I'll file a bug if there is none. |
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| 13:17.21 | treebeen | lately i have apt counting up from 0% reading database on one squeeze machine. takes pretty long, goes up until about 50% and goes to the next step. on the other pc it's starting at like 80%, any idea about this? |
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| 13:18.16 | antivirtel | hello, I'm looking for a doc/man/info/tutorial generator app/program, like page created with it: http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.14/gdm.html or this http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ - which program is that?! |
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| 13:19.29 | mah454 | I need debian-5 CD/DVD ... |
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| 13:20.12 | treebeen | !archive |
| 13:20.22 | treebeen | !hello |
| 13:20.31 | cahoot | %archive |
| 13:20.31 | dselect | rumour has it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 13:20.44 | treebeen | %hi |
| 13:20.45 | dselect | hello, treebeen |
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| 13:20.51 | epsilon | which one was 5.0 again.. lenny? |
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| 13:20.55 | themill | %tell mah454 about install lenny |
| 13:20.56 | RiRa | How do i get evolution 2.32.2 in debian squeeze. i cannot import my mail because old version in squeeze |
| 13:20.57 | treebeen | uh, new bot? |
| 13:21.33 | mah454 | themill yes ... I need Installation disk for debian lenny |
| 13:21.48 | antivirtel | I'm looking for a doc/man/info/tutorial generator app/program, like page created with it: http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.14/gdm.html or this http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ - which program is that?! |
| 13:21.55 | themill | mah454: so do what dselect said... |
| 13:22.27 | mah454 | themill dselect ? |
| 13:22.43 | themill | mah454: you received a /msg from the bot |
| 13:22.51 | mah454 | themill OK |
| 13:23.24 | wgetfree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.50 | RiRa | ok, problem fixt here. remeber still have backup from old evolution version.. :) |
| 13:26.21 | mah454 | themill How do you send hyperlink message in IRC ? ----> dselect ... |
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| 13:26.57 | mah454 | themill Ok i find ... excuse me ... |
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| 13:46.51 | raboof | 'apt-file search avformat.h' returns 'libavformat-dev: /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h' and 'libavformat-dev: /usr/include/libavformat/avformat.h' for me |
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| 13:47.13 | raboof | is there an easy way to tell where it's getting '/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h' from exactly? |
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| 13:50.25 | mah454 | apt-file ? it is new command ? |
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| 13:51.37 | homie | why is squeeze so broken ? |
| 13:51.52 | wols_ | mah454: no. years old |
| 13:52.11 | wols_ | homie: why do you ask pointless rhetorical questions? |
| 13:52.17 | homie | and why does ubuntu packages get into debian ? |
| 13:52.30 | mah454 | heh ... |
| 13:52.31 | wols_ | they don't |
| 13:52.52 | homie | and why is there a never autoremove stuff in some apt.conf.d script for ubuntu packages ? |
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| 13:53.36 | cahoot | homie, sounds like you're ssembling a purpose |
| 13:53.43 | thinksteve | And why don't you go to #ubuntu instead, homie? |
| 13:53.44 | cahoot | assembling |
| 13:53.56 | homie | nope, i don't |
| 13:54.02 | homie | i describe what i observe |
| 13:54.05 | zaxonspox | where in the menus is "system monitor" in Debian 6? |
| 13:54.33 | valdyn | homie: it does not make sense to maintain a diff where that is not useful |
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| 13:54.56 | homie | valdyn ? what do you mean ? |
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| 13:55.20 | themill | homie: it's traditional to ask questions that actually have answers and to wait for the answer before rambling onto the next question. |
| 13:55.41 | valdyn | homie: wherever files are different between ubuntu and debian there has to be more work involved for either or both parties |
| 13:55.49 | homie | didn't think my first question would have answer tho |
| 13:55.57 | homie | not a real one |
| 13:55.58 | valdyn | homie: so that file may be identical - not a problem |
| 13:56.00 | themill | homie: so don't ask it. |
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| 13:57.04 | homie | okay |
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| 14:02.10 | zaxonspox | wols_ the solution works, thx, and question: why there are no "System monitor" in menus of Debian 6? |
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| 14:02.52 | wols_ | cause you haven't installed one |
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| 14:03.44 | zaxonspox | when i type ALT+F2 and "gnome-system-monitor" it runs, but its not in any menu, in previos debian it was |
| 14:04.18 | wols_ | that I dunno. maybe gnome removed it to confuse users less as they usually do with everything else? |
| 14:06.25 | zykotick9 | zaxonspox, it's in my menu |
| 14:07.32 | zaxonspox | in where exactl? i don have in Application, in Prefs. or in Admins |
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| 14:08.31 | qwd | zaxonspox: applications -> system tools for me |
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| 14:09.10 | zaxonspox | thx, found it |
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| 14:14.52 | sephii | i just upgraded my computer from lenny from squeeze and now it hangs after the gdm login (nothing seems to happen but i can still go to ttys) |
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| 14:15.53 | sephii | i tried removing my .gnome* dirs as well as .gconf* dirs but that didn't change anything |
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| 14:17.21 | wols_ | sephii: create a new user and try to login as that one |
| 14:18.02 | sephii | wols_: same thing |
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| 14:19.00 | wols_ | check .xsession-errors |
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| 14:20.11 | sephii | wols_: beginning session startup is the only thing in it |
| 14:20.37 | wols_ | something in your gnome is fubar it seems. you are using gnome? |
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| 14:20.44 | makubi | sephii: do you have enough free disk space / is /tmp writeable? |
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| 14:22.04 | sephii | makubi: 4GB free on / and 36GB on /home |
| 14:22.31 | sephii | makubi: tmp is on / |
| 14:23.13 | makubi | thats more than enough, is /tmp drwxrwxrwt or so? |
| 14:23.29 | makubi | sephii: and like wols_ asked before, u use gnome? |
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| 14:24.02 | sephii | makubi: yes for the rights, and yes i'm using gnome |
| 14:24.06 | wols_ | sephii: tmp is sually on tmpfs |
| 14:25.33 | makubi | well, I g2g, gl sephii and wols_ |
| 14:25.41 | sephii | wols_: i don't have /tmp when i type mount so i assume it's just in / |
| 14:25.54 | sephii | makubi: thanks anyway |
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| 14:27.09 | Black_Prince | if you done gdm -> gdm3 transistion it should be okay |
| 14:28.01 | Black_Prince | But if you are still using old gdm, you may try to delete /var/lib/gdm/ contents |
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| 14:30.33 | pmurias | how can i upgrade my public keys? |
| 14:30.41 | sephii | Black_Prince: i didn't do any transition i think, i'm using squeeze |
| 14:31.30 | pmurias | i get NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA NO_PUBKEY 64481591B98321F9 from apt-get |
| 14:31.41 | Black_Prince | sephii, chech if you have gdm3 or gdm installed. |
| 14:31.51 | Black_Prince | pmurias, what repositories are giving that problem |
| 14:31.58 | sephii | Black_Prince: can i safely delete /var/lib/gdm/*? |
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| 14:32.41 | Black_Prince | sephii, there are dotfolders and dotfiles there which can't be deleted with such command. But it should be safe, since gdm initscript recreates critical components. |
| 14:33.34 | sephii | Black_Prince: gdm is 2.20.11 |
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| 14:33.59 | Black_Prince | sephii, yes that's one lenny was using. It could be that some of its configuration changed, since gconf was different then. |
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| 14:35.04 | sephii | Black_Prince: but i already deleted my .gconf folders |
| 14:35.13 | Black_Prince | sephii, /var/lib/gdm has them too |
| 14:35.21 | Black_Prince | since that is gdm's home di rectory |
| 14:35.26 | Black_Prince | directory that is |
| 14:35.49 | sephii | i just tried cleaning it up, no luck |
| 14:36.29 | Black_Prince | sephii, is there any .xsession-errors in /var/lib/gdm ? |
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| 14:38.14 | Black_Prince | sephii, if everything fails, try installing gdm3, the next generation gnome display manager ... |
| 14:38.24 | pmurias | Black_Prince: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/120807 - my apt.sources |
| 14:38.33 | wols_ | pmurias: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:38.39 | sephii | Black_Prince: nope, no .xsession-errors file |
| 14:38.55 | wols_ | sephii: have you tried ending gdm and using startx to start your X session? |
| 14:38.57 | Black_Prince | pmurias, also remove or comment out violatile lines. |
| 14:39.27 | Black_Prince | pmurias, also you have two source lines for security.debian.org |
| 14:39.36 | Black_Prince | sephii, ls -l /var/lib/gdm |
| 14:40.24 | sephii | wols_: yes, same problem |
| 14:40.27 | pmurias | what does the volatile line do? |
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| 14:41.40 | sephii | wols_: but i get some x errors in the console but i don't know if that's the problem (that's about synaptics drivers) |
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| 14:45.24 | sephii | Black_Prince: i get .cookie and .fontconfig |
| 14:45.45 | sephii | (sorry i can't paste anything) |
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| 14:51.38 | DelphiWorld | hello friends |
| 14:51.43 | DelphiWorld | i installed live-helper |
| 14:51.47 | DelphiWorld | but lh_config is not here. |
| 14:51.49 | DelphiWorld | any idea is welcome |
| 14:53.57 | Black_Prince | lb config is right command |
| 14:54.12 | Black_Prince | also #debian-live on irc.oftc.net could help you with debian live |
| 14:54.42 | DelphiWorld | Black_Prince: thank you |
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| 14:57.32 | DelphiWorld | Black_Prince: thank you. |
| 14:57.41 | mguy | I did something dumb and I hope there's a way to undo it. I set the root shell to /bin/nologin |
| 14:57.43 | DelphiWorld | Black_Prince: evean lh_bootstrap is now lb bootstrap. |
| 14:58.12 | mguy | Is there a program I can run as regular user that will let me change that, or some way other than su to fix it? sudo isn't on the server |
| 14:58.47 | Black_Prince | su or sudo :P |
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| 15:00.03 | Ikarus | mguy: su -c "/bin/sh" ? |
| 15:00.13 | Ikarus | if your copy of su doesn't check the nologin state |
| 15:00.20 | mguy | Ikarus: -c and -s don't have any affect because of the shell |
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| 15:01.05 | Ikarus | mguy: time for a reboot then, init=/bin/sh time |
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| 15:01.41 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:03.03 | eptalon | I do have a problem with uploading a file to a website using iceweasel (3.5.something). File is valid pdf but website does not recognise it; using another brower (chrome), upload works fine. |
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| 15:04.50 | eptalon | I am using sid... ideas? |
| 15:05.31 | Black_Prince | dselect sid |
| 15:05.31 | dselect | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 15:05.49 | Black_Prince | epsilon, sid support goes to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:05.53 | eptalon | dselect: I know that. |
| 15:06.35 | eptalon | my problem was more related to "some application does not work as it should" |
| 15:06.48 | eptalon | problem will be the same in etch... |
| 15:09.45 | mguy | Ikarus: it's remote and and I don't have any keyboard access |
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| 15:21.29 | skilz | How can I make xplanet run in the background? |
| 15:21.52 | skilz | like if I want to run this in the background xplanet -projection rectangular -transparency -quality 100 -marker_file quake & |
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| 15:23.48 | skilz | whats the command to see what type of files like ls |
| 15:23.48 | wols_ | skilz: http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/FAQ.php#gnome2 |
| 15:24.12 | wols_ | skilz: try again. your question is gibberish. lacks a verb for one thing |
| 15:24.19 | skilz | like file png file2 xml ect |
| 15:24.37 | wols_ | files don't like anything. they're inanimate objects. try again |
| 15:24.47 | skilz | umm |
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| 15:25.09 | skilz | when I type ls in terminal it show the files, how do I see which file types they are? |
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| 15:25.40 | maligor | try 'file filename' |
| 15:25.41 | skilz | like if they are jpg files or png files or html files ect ect |
| 15:25.44 | wols_ | "file <file you want to know about> then you know |
| 15:25.52 | skilz | cheers |
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| 15:38.33 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:39.03 | boudiccas | hello |
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| 15:55.58 | chalk45 | hey, how do I use the .deb control file's PROVIDES field to cover all versions on a package? |
| 15:56.50 | kristian_ | Hi, I'm using debian testing 32bit/KDE. All day long I'm having problems with getting "segmentation fault" error whenever I start any application. Even when it starts it usually crashes after some time with same "segmentation fault". How can I check what's really causing all this ? |
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| 15:57.34 | kristian_ | I even had few situations where KDE would log me out automatically |
| 15:57.53 | wols_ | chalk45: just don't use a version number? |
| 15:58.04 | chalk45 | see that's what i thought, but the thing is still complainin |
| 15:58.12 | chalk45 | it's what i've been doin until now though |
| 15:58.27 | wols_ | what is? |
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| 16:00.05 | chalk45 | libmozjs is complaining about libnspr4-0d |
| 16:00.13 | chalk45 | i've got a newer nspr package i'm using |
| 16:00.41 | wols_ | %tell chalk45 about equivs |
| 16:00.49 | chalk45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.15 | chalk45 | thanks i'll look into it |
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| 16:07.23 | jenev | hello all |
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| 16:08.10 | jenev | i am trying to get my usb network adapter working |
| 16:08.29 | jenev | i have tried installing this package http://archive.debian.net/en/etch/at76c503a-source |
| 16:09.00 | jenev | using "dpkg -i <the pakage>" |
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| 16:09.22 | jenev | but after that i still can't access the internet |
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| 16:09.29 | jenev | what else can i do? |
| 16:09.33 | wols_ | jenev: what debian version? |
| 16:09.50 | skilz | how can I install aircrack-ng? |
| 16:10.12 | wols_ | skilz: if on squeeze, get it from lenny |
| 16:10.31 | skilz | how do I do that? |
| 16:10.43 | Mika56 | Hi all. Just a little problem, haven't found anything on Google :( I've lunched screen, then connected to an ssh server... And lunched screen again ! I now have a "screen in screen", but I can't detach the second screen, because it's the first one that detachs :( Any idea ? |
| 16:10.51 | jenev | wols, debian 6.0.1 |
| 16:11.04 | skilz | add lenny next to squeeze in sources.list |
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| 16:12.14 | wols_ | jenev: http://wiki.debian.org/at76_usb note that you need to install firmware |
| 16:12.42 | wols_ | skilz: I wouldn't do that |
| 16:12.46 | jenev | the firmware is installed |
| 16:13.02 | jenev | in fact it's a package dependency |
| 16:13.16 | wols_ | jenev: not from the etch package you linked from above there |
| 16:13.57 | wols_ | jenev: and that etch package is utterly useless. debian kernels already come with the driver you need |
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| 16:14.15 | jenev | so why can't i access the internet? |
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| 16:14.32 | wols_ | check your dmesg output |
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| 16:14.52 | wols_ | check if you have a wlan interface, etc |
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| 16:15.52 | jenev | and what should i do if i don't |
| 16:15.57 | QuikNik | Hey guys, anybody run the nginx web server or have any experiences with it ? know any advantages/disadvantages compared to apache on debian? |
| 16:16.04 | wols_ | I told you |
| 16:16.06 | jenev | just wanna know now because i gotta boot up on linux to try it |
| 16:16.14 | bzed | Mika56: try something like C-a a d |
| 16:16.31 | bzed | Mika56: (see the extra a without presing ctrl) |
| 16:17.33 | shtrb | where should I hang for the debian kde team ? |
| 16:17.46 | jenev | brb |
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| 16:18.17 | shtrb | on IRC I mean |
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| 16:20.48 | dw | is there some magic flag in debian that means "do not destroy logs, ever. even after upgrades. ever." |
| 16:21.03 | dw | openvpn process goes missing in action, but apt-get upgrade turned log rotation back on |
| 16:21.14 | dw | now i can't tell if machine is hacked or OOM or what |
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| 16:21.59 | Mika56 | bzed Sorry, I hadn't saw your message, it worked, thank you a lot :) |
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| 16:22.52 | valdyn | dw: upgrades dont destroy logs |
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| 16:23.32 | valdyn | dw: logrotate and some cronjob(s) do |
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| 16:30.22 | klur | where to post questions about WINE? #wine on freenode is invite-only... |
| 16:31.04 | wols_ | klur: # |
| 16:31.09 | wols_ | klur: #winehq |
| 16:31.27 | klur | thanks :) |
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| 16:35.41 | bernard | hi |
| 16:35.52 | jbb | hello dear friend |
| 16:36.18 | bernard | how can I look for packages installed from a specific deposit? (snapshot.debian.org actually) |
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| 16:37.59 | bernard | I can't find something apropriate at http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 16:39.09 | dw | valdyn: that's what i said |
| 16:39.19 | dw | valdyn: question is, is there some switch to prevent it |
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| 16:39.51 | dw | rm -r /etc/logrotate* and /etc/cron.daily/<forgot name> is not sufficient since some upgrades silently return those files |
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| 16:43.12 | wols_ | dw: editing those files is |
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| 16:50.58 | verm__ | so.. i'm trying to install debian in a VM (http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso).. initially i tried 6.0.1a |
| 16:51.20 | verm__ | it's failing on retrieving eject-udeb 2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-7.1, syslog in /var/log/syslog (alt-f2) during install shows that it says bad md5sum |
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| 16:51.42 | verm__ | the DVD sha256 matches, i even extracted it to verify the package md5 matches from ./dists/squeeze/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages on the image (it does) |
| 16:51.49 | verm__ | anyone here have any ideas of what could be wrong? |
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| 16:53.11 | phix | hi, I would like to file a bug report against libpam-mount, it doesn't support spaces in filenames, it doesn't escape them correctly |
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| 17:00.40 | vlt | Hello. Any idea why I can see a device listed in blkid's output that doesn't actually exist? |
| 17:01.10 | vlt | It did before but I removed the disk before rebooting. |
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| 17:01.34 | vlt | This is on Debian lenny 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
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| 17:12.12 | bigbang12 | i was trying to run servce by sudo /etc/init.d/cloud_scheduler start but it is taking too much time after this command and i need to terminate it using ctrl+z |
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| 17:12.28 | Dougy | hi there! i want to modify the debian netinstall iso.. i need to add bnx2 firmware to it.. what is the best way? can i download the .deb's for it, and just stick it in a folder in the iso and re-make the iso? or do i need to put the .fw files in instead |
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| 17:13.24 | themill | %firmware images |
| 17:13.24 | dselect | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 17:14.12 | battaglin | cant get unrar-free working on debain 6.. any hints plz ? |
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| 17:15.28 | Dougy | oh, sweet |
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| 17:21.20 | wols | battaglin: what do you mean "doesn't work"? |
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| 17:24.03 | battaglin | unrar x file.rar wont work |
| 17:24.55 | battaglin | Extracting filename.exe e.g Failed |
| 17:25.07 | battaglin | 1 Failed |
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| 17:25.54 | wols | battaglin: you probably need unrar-nonfree since only that supports rar format version 3.5 |
| 17:26.12 | jenev | wols, hello |
| 17:26.27 | jenev | you're the one that gave me advice on the net adapter right? |
| 17:26.42 | wols | possibly? |
| 17:26.49 | wols | %tell battaglin about unrar |
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| 17:28.29 | jenev | nevertheless, i checked dmesg, and i found that the at76c503a driver is loaded for the device when it is plugged in, but i stll can't access the internet |
| 17:28.48 | jenev | i tried pinging an ip but it said network unreachable |
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| 17:29.52 | wols | jenev: you need to configuer your wlan. stuff like your wpa password and such... |
| 17:30.01 | battaglin | wols: thnx.. appreciate it |
| 17:30.12 | battaglin | working now |
| 17:30.46 | Baltazaar | omg. This weekend I've installed and tried out several of the popular distributions, just to see what they have become. So much bloat! I can't believe it! I hope Debian will stay clear of the UI "innovations", so it is possible to use. All the bells and whistles makes the performance drop seriously. I've been using Debian since "Potato", and it has never taken too many wrong decisions... |
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| 17:31.25 | jenev | wols, well im kinda new to linux, so how do i set it up |
| 17:31.34 | jenev | tutorial would be nice :) |
| 17:31.40 | wols | blathijs: I'm sure if you run latest gnome or kde in debian it's pretty bloaty too... |
| 17:31.46 | wols | %wlan |
| 17:31.46 | dselect | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:31.50 | Baltazaar | jenev, there ar plenty of tutorials |
| 17:31.56 | Franklin | anyone know how to gather network connections of a system via snmp ? something like snmpnetstat but connections on a specific interface. |
| 17:32.06 | wols | jenev: your AP, does it use WPA? |
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| 17:32.52 | jenev | what is AP? |
| 17:32.57 | jenev | what is WPA |
| 17:33.06 | Baltazaar | Franklin, the target network nodes needs to accept smtp for starters |
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| 17:33.20 | Baltazaar | jenev, AccessPoint |
| 17:33.29 | wols | jenev: AP: your WLAN access point. WPA: the encryption scheme your wireless uses |
| 17:33.40 | Baltazaar | jenev, WPA = encryption on the network |
| 17:34.14 | wols | jenev: i'm guessing you are currently in windows and using this wlan? |
| 17:34.28 | jenev | yes |
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| 17:34.51 | wols | then you had to enter a password once |
| 17:34.52 | PZt | jenev i gave you a link to the debian wiki yesterday |
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| 17:35.06 | jenev | and the network im on uses passwords |
| 17:35.21 | jenev | PZt, really? can't recall |
| 17:35.22 | Baltazaar | jenev, just curious, if you're new to Linux, what made you choose Debian? |
| 17:36.04 | wols | jenev: get http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider/ and run it. look if your WLAN AP's name shows up |
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| 17:36.16 | PZt | jenev http://wiki.debian.org/at76_usb you said you were going to use the redhat 9 tutorial instead and left |
| 17:36.41 | jenev | PZt, oh :) sorry |
| 17:37.01 | jenev | Baltazzar, for programming purposes |
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| 17:37.53 | Baltazaar | jenev, oh? Debian does'nt differ in terms of programming... What do you program? |
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| 17:38.42 | eldow | Is there still an active method of doing a lenny netinstall? |
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| 17:39.10 | Franklin | eldow, of course |
| 17:39.21 | wols | %tell eldow about lenny install |
| 17:39.27 | eldow | thanks guys |
| 17:39.34 | wols | eldow: but you must have a really special reason to warrant installing lenny :) |
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| 17:40.00 | Baltazaar | could be software reasons for installing lennny |
| 17:40.03 | eldow | wols: I dislike kde4 and gnome very much, and rather enjoy kde3 and lenny |
| 17:40.13 | jenev | Baltazzar, well, because a lot of the dev package come with the cds, i thought that was a plus since i didn't have internet on debian :) |
| 17:40.31 | Baltazaar | eldow, you can install KDE and gnome without resorting to lenny. |
| 17:40.39 | Baltazaar | in the versions you want |
| 17:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Interesting tool. Interesting that though it's Open Source, the linux product lags the Windows version significantly. |
| 17:40.52 | Baltazaar | just compile from source |
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| 17:41.00 | eldow | Baltazaar: oh really now? I was under the impression that kde3 wouldn't play nice with squeeze |
| 17:41.08 | jhutchins_lt | %tell eldow about trinity |
| 17:41.26 | Franklin | tell me too, plz |
| 17:41.28 | eldow | \o/ |
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| 17:41.33 | eldow | jhutchins_lt: that's quite nice |
| 17:41.39 | eldow | %tell Franklin about trinity |
| 17:41.42 | wols | jhutchins_lt: it's fairly nice (for windows), kismet still blows its socks off :P |
| 17:41.56 | wols | %msgthebot |
| 17:41.56 | dselect | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
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| 17:45.38 | Baltazaar | eldow, to be honest, I don't even know what squeeze is... |
| 17:46.58 | Baltazaar | if it's not the release you're reffering to... eldow |
| 17:48.17 | eldow | Baltazaar: squeeze... debian 6? |
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| 17:49.17 | Baltazaar | eldow, yes. The release... That's what I was wondering... Doesn't matter too much I think, if you install from source |
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| 17:49.45 | eldow | aah, interesting. I'm going to give trinity a shot, though it's unsupported here. it does seem an interesting concept. failing that, source it is. |
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| 17:50.24 | wols | eldow: there are howtos for installing kde3 in squeeze out there. unsupported too but no biggie |
| 17:50.30 | Baltazaar | eldow, but you won't get the updates from apt offcourse |
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| 17:50.57 | eldow | hmm... wols, interesting, I have failed doing research yet again. |
| 17:51.20 | eldow | Baltazaar: true, but I don't get any real updates running lenny anymore on my workstation either, or are there oldstable security updates still? |
| 17:52.12 | Baltazaar | I believe it gets security updates but no software updates eldow |
| 17:52.47 | eldow | on another note, this pc that I'm at dualboots w/ windows. windows likes using bios set to local time as the clock and in squeeze I can't figure out how to, at the sytstm level, change the deb clock w/o changing bios. any pointers? currently the system thinks I'm utc while i'm cst |
| 17:52.57 | eldow | Baltazaar: yeah, that's what I thought. |
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| 17:53.54 | eldow | I can set the gui to show a different timezone, but all my files times are about 7 or 8 hours off. all the time |
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| 17:54.48 | carandraug | eldow, set UTC=no on /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:55.01 | eldow | carandraug: you're a pal, thanks |
| 17:55.07 | carandraug | eldow, no problem |
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| 17:55.09 | Baltazaar | eldow, /usr/bin/tzselect for region, than /etc/default/rcS for utc |
| 17:55.28 | eldow | man, I really miss hanging out in this channel. it's been way too long |
| 17:55.42 | Baltazaar | you need local time eldow |
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| 17:56.22 | eldow | Baltazaar: so toing tzselect for america, cst, then rcS should set me up, while leaving windows still using the correct time? |
| 17:57.15 | carandraug | eldow, I don't think there's such thing as correct time. For me, the closest to 'correct' time would be UTC and have the system calculate the difference to that |
| 17:57.19 | Baltazaar | you need both Win and Linux to use Local Time, but then, well yes... eldow |
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| 17:58.00 | Baltazaar | eldow, I've had the same issue myself once. I believe I made it work like that |
| 17:58.15 | eldow | carandraug: I'd like to keep bios utc, and have both systems calculate the diff. but I've never had luck getting windows to do that. I'd rather not confuse the wife when she gets back on windows. |
| 17:58.22 | eldow | Baltazaar: great, i'll give it a shot. |
| 17:58.43 | PZt | eldow you can make windows use utc too they just need to be in sync |
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| 17:58.58 | Baltazaar | eldow, but set the BIOS to local time, or go for UTC all the way |
| 17:59.18 | carandraug | eldow, hmm.. it should be possible to do it on windwos. Googling it does show up some info on it |
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| 17:59.40 | eldow | sweet, i'll play around. thanks for the pointers, yet again. |
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| 18:00.43 | PZt | except for vista i think before sp1 every version since 2000 works with that regkey |
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| 18:04.21 | gribouille | there is something very strange : echo -n b | egrep '^[A-Z_]+$' yields 'b' with an unpatched grep-2.6.3. any idea ? |
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| 18:11.34 | verm__ | for anyone that cares the issue is a bug in the virtualbox sata driver.. i'll fix it myself, thanks! |
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| 18:13.44 | sauvin | Somebody in another channel reported this: "echo b | egrep '^[A-Z_]+$'" returns "b" with grep 2.6.3. This is a bug, and I've just confirmed it on debian squeeze. Who to complain to? |
| 18:14.47 | jelly-home | sauvin: does that still happen with locale set to C |
| 18:14.59 | ignite | sauvin: A-Z is capital letters |
| 18:15.14 | sauvin | ignite, yes, which means it should NOT be returning 'b'. |
| 18:15.23 | sauvin | jelly-home, how to set locale? |
| 18:15.29 | jelly-home | ignite: no, A-Z is a collating sequence of characters between A and Z in his locale |
| 18:15.33 | jelly-home | %locales |
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| 18:15.33 | dselect | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 18:15.48 | ignite | ah I see. nevermind, still asleep |
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| 18:17.01 | jelly-home | sauvin: I found GNU tools not handle case sensitivity with a number of euro UTF-8 locales |
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| 18:17.09 | klur | is the usage of dpkg's --instdir option the preferred way to install software inside a user's home (sub-)directory? |
| 18:17.32 | sauvin | I set default locale to en-US.UTF-8? |
| 18:17.42 | jelly-home | sauvin: does it still bug out if you force the locale to "C": echo b | LC_ALL=C egrep '^[A-Z_]+$' |
| 18:17.42 | sauvin | is generating ALL locales |
| 18:17.58 | sauvin | Moment... doing what dpkg said first. |
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| 18:18.51 | jelly-home | sauvin: you'll need to logout and log back in to activate those changes, and if you're using gdm, you might explicitely choose your locale on the login screen |
| 18:19.07 | jelly-home | LC_ALL overrides all the settings |
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| 18:19.22 | Baltazaar | So... What do you think about Google+ ? |
| 18:19.37 | jelly-home | Baltazaar: it's not topical in #debian, try #debian-offtopic |
| 18:19.56 | Baltazaar | Sure... |
| 18:20.10 | sauvin | jelly-home, THAT fixed it. |
| 18:20.56 | sauvin | Understood about logging in and suchlike but that's not 100% accurate - I can always su sauvin - :D |
| 18:21.10 | d_low | Anyone in here tried zfsonlinux rc4? |
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| 18:21.26 | jelly-home | sauvin: echo b | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 egrep '^[A-Z_]+$' # seems to be fixed on testing |
| 18:21.50 | sauvin | Cool. Think I'll stick with using perl for such jobs of any size. :D |
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| 18:22.09 | knapper_tech | I just recovered a set of broken Glibc and libstdc++ libs. aptitude, synapics all run okay, but I need some advice on getting back to a "nice" system |
| 18:22.37 | knapper_tech | i was installing gccsense for emacs, which required a custom GCC with code-assist |
| 18:23.05 | knapper_tech | when i did that, i started getting GLIBCXX_3.1.14 not found errors from libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 18:23.40 | knapper_tech | currently synaptics lists a few broken packages (mainly the ones i rammed through dpkg to get the system running again) |
| 18:24.34 | knapper_tech | is this a general class of broblem? |
| 18:25.04 | knapper_tech | ie "I destroyed my build system and system lib consistency and need to get everything kosher again" |
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| 18:41.07 | jenev | wols, after years of trying to install this thing i finally got it installed |
| 18:41.54 | jenev | in the top half of the window it says that the privacy is WEP |
| 18:42.02 | wols | ick |
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| 18:42.14 | jenev | im assuming thats what you meant |
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| 18:42.26 | wols | yes. and it's awful |
| 18:43.07 | jhutchins_lt | knapper_tech: aptitude -f install (in console, as root). |
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| 18:43.57 | knapper_tech | i've refined my error a bit |
| 18:44.39 | knapper_tech | i used debian packages instead of ubuntu ones. i just need to remove the deb packages for debian and install the ones from the ubuntu repository. likely apt-get will break during this, so all i have to work with is dpkg |
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| 18:45.36 | wols | knapper_tech: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
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| 18:45.56 | knapper_tech | ubunut, but we all know how good the irc is there |
| 18:45.58 | knapper_tech | XD |
| 18:46.11 | pipeline | it would be my suggestion that you install debian |
| 18:46.19 | pipeline | goodness knows what your broken hybrid looks like |
| 18:46.24 | knapper_tech | rjr loud and clear |
| 18:46.50 | pipeline | you've catastrophically broken your system, and ubuntu is off-topic. Installing debian is not merely a snarky blowoff, that's seriously your best option. |
| 18:46.53 | knapper_tech | i think i'm headed back to gentoo/sabayon land soon enough, but this is my work machine and i have to get it back healthy |
| 18:47.01 | pipeline | Restore from backup. |
| 18:47.05 | pipeline | Install debian. |
| 18:47.09 | pipeline | Those are your best options. |
| 18:47.14 | wols | knapper_tech: please go back to ubuntu then |
| 18:47.18 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 18:47.22 | wols | %ubuntu |
| 18:47.22 | dselect | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 18:50.19 | treebeen | %dpkg |
| 18:50.19 | dselect | hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 18:50.38 | treebeen | %dpkgbot |
| 18:50.38 | dselect | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 18:52.06 | wols | %tell treebeen about msgthebot |
| 18:52.14 | treebeen | yes, why could "reading database" suddenly take long on squeeze (apt)? also it counts from 0 up, before it would always start at like 70% |
| 18:52.31 | wols | treebeen: it always starts at 0. always. no exception |
| 18:52.50 | treebeen | wols: it ends at like 50% on this box |
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| 18:54.52 | wols | treebeen: no it doesn't. it always goes from 0% to 100%. no exceptions. apt is very good at math, trust me there |
| 18:55.11 | treebeen | i think there is some database or something that speeds it up since squeeze |
| 18:55.25 | blast_hardcheese | Hey all, I'm getting some weird behavior out of flashplugin-nonfree. Any time I have a window with any black in it (gnome-terminal, xchat with black letters) flash renders in that space. This started happening recently and it's really annoying. |
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| 18:55.46 | Ikarus | blast_hardcheese: uninstall that proprietary piece of crap |
| 18:56.40 | blast_hardcheese | Ikarus: There's still a significant amount of the web that is powered by flash, can't nuke it from orbit yet. |
| 18:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: Have you updated flash recently? |
| 18:56.51 | Ikarus | I've done so 8 years ago |
| 18:56.53 | Ikarus | worked for me |
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| 18:57.21 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: I'm at the most recent version, so most likely |
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| 18:57.27 | Ikarus | but erm, probably Adobe fucked up OpenGL/Xv |
| 18:57.53 | dahankzter | is there no cnetworkmanager available for sid? |
| 18:57.54 | Ikarus | the issue is that it is using some form of colour key overlay |
| 18:58.10 | Ikarus | which appaerently in all it's insanity chose to use the colour black for the key |
| 18:58.25 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: Which release, which arch, what browser, what video? |
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| 18:58.55 | wols | dahankzter: packages.debian.org knows |
| 18:58.57 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: testing, i386, chromium, all YouTube |
| 18:59.01 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, video |
| 18:59.03 | blast_hardcheese | nvidia, sorry |
| 18:59.05 | blast_hardcheese | brain fart.. |
| 18:59.30 | blast_hardcheese | I'm using the binary nvidia drivers (sorry Ikarus) |
| 18:59.41 | jhutchins_lt | np, it was vague. |
| 18:59.45 | Ikarus | blast_hardcheese: oh joy, more closed crap.... |
| 18:59.55 | Ikarus | blast_hardcheese: tried it in Mozilla ? |
| 18:59.57 | blast_hardcheese | Ikarus: Get nv to do 3d acceleration |
| 19:00.08 | blast_hardcheese | Ikarus: I'll try that now; this might have been when I switched to chromium |
| 19:00.23 | Ikarus | blast_hardcheese: nouveau does 3d acceleration (to some extent) |
| 19:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | (chromium tends to update a lot too, not exactly a stable platform.) |
| 19:00.36 | dahankzter | http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/cnetworkmanager |
| 19:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | Ikarus: But nouveau doesn't work with the same cards as nv. |
| 19:00.57 | dahankzter | however apt-get cant find it |
| 19:01.00 | sauvin | I've just noticed on debian squeeze I have no virtual consoles. |
| 19:01.09 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt, blast_hardcheese : that's just how the newer versions of flash work |
| 19:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions cnetworkmanager |
| 19:01.18 | judd | Package cnetworkmanager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.21.1-1.1 |
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| 19:01.19 | pipeline | blast_hardcheese: that lame fucking overlay stuff is why you can play back 720p now |
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| 19:01.26 | pipeline | blast_hardcheese: afaik there is no workaround |
| 19:01.40 | pipeline | blast_hardcheese: use a javascript extension to prevent flash applets from loading automatically, e.g. flashblock |
| 19:01.48 | Ikarus | what |
| 19:01.49 | Ikarus | that is broken |
| 19:01.59 | Ikarus | Adobe just needs to specify a sensible overlay colour key |
| 19:02.14 | Baltazaar | Anybody using Canon wireless printers? |
| 19:02.29 | Baltazaar | (with deb) |
| 19:02.40 | blast_hardcheese | pipeline: Bleh. That sucks. |
| 19:03.03 | pipeline | Ikarus: overlay is just a terrible approach, regardless of key color. using 0x00000 black is just insult added to injury :P |
| 19:03.12 | Ikarus | pipeline: quite true |
| 19:03.12 | pipeline | blast_hardcheese: flash sucks |
| 19:03.16 | blast_hardcheese | Yes sir. |
| 19:03.19 | pipeline | blast_hardcheese: nuke it from orbit |
| 19:03.21 | Ikarus | and Adobe really does not have to use old-style Xv for it |
| 19:03.22 | blast_hardcheese | Uninstalling flash now, replacing with the embedded mplayer plugin |
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| 19:08.21 | Franklin | could mplayer replace flash in browser ? |
| 19:08.33 | amero | hello. how do you remove packages installed from build-dep? |
| 19:10.56 | sauvin | I wanna know where my virtual consoles went! They worked in lenny! Now they're gone! |
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| 19:11.37 | blast_hardcheese | sauvin: What video driver? |
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| 19:11.54 | sauvin | One of the nvidia... nv, I think. Moment. |
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| 19:12.09 | sauvin | Yea... nvidia. |
| 19:12.27 | blast_hardcheese | Older model or recent card? |
| 19:12.29 | wols | sauvin: check your inittab |
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| 19:12.47 | sauvin | 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] (rev a2) |
| 19:12.50 | Lasers__ | ls- al |
| 19:12.53 | Lasers__ | Whoops. |
| 19:13.09 | sauvin | inittab has respawns for gettys 1-6 |
| 19:13.25 | blast_hardcheese | wols: It wouldn't make sense for the inittab to have all the virtual terminals removed, it seems more likely that there's a problem switching video modes. |
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| 19:14.12 | sauvin | There appears to be. Still googling. |
| 19:14.13 | blast_hardcheese | I've seen issues switching between X and virtual terminals with the SAVAGE driver, but that was a while ago |
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| 19:14.45 | blast_hardcheese | sauvin: What happens if you don't boot into X? Do you get to use your virtual terminals until you launch X? |
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| 19:15.21 | blast_hardcheese | like during boot, do you see messages while booting? |
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| 19:17.26 | asarch | I need the Tk modules for Perl, which one should I install libtk-perl (the virtual package) or perl-tk? |
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| 19:17.53 | sauvin | Don't know. Just made a change to modprobe.d/nvidia_whatever to add an option according to a link I found. I have to reboot now? |
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| 19:18.05 | blast_hardcheese | Go for it |
| 19:18.09 | simonlnu | reload the module if you can |
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| 19:18.16 | simonlnu | otherwise yes, reboot |
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| 19:18.29 | blast_hardcheese | simonlnu: Either way, he'll have to leave X; easier to reboot |
| 19:18.30 | sauvin | How to reload a module? |
| 19:18.32 | simonlnu | (some modules won't let you unload them) |
| 19:18.43 | sauvin | Mmkay, reboot. Won't take long. |
| 19:19.06 | simonlnu | of course |
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| 19:22.02 | sauvin | Grr. |
| 19:22.31 | jenev | wols, sorry for taking so long |
| 19:22.52 | sauvin | Still no virtual consoles. |
| 19:23.09 | jenev | under privacy, the software says WEP |
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| 19:24.04 | wols | jenev: you need to check if your driver has properly loaded and if ifconfig shows an interface |
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| 19:24.47 | wols | jenev: have you installed the needed firmware? |
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| 19:25.04 | jenev | yes the firmware is installed |
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| 19:25.22 | wols | jenev: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#Configure_Interface |
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| 19:31.01 | sauvin | How do you unload and reload kernel modules? |
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| 19:32.20 | simonlnu | modprobe -r and modprobe |
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| 19:32.49 | sauvin | Grr... have to reboot again, module is in use. |
| 19:34.07 | danielss89 | Hi.. i need to run a bot, which is a phpfile on my server.. if i just do php file.php it runs the bot, but to keep it running i have to keep the terminal open. How can i run it so it just runs by itself :D |
| 19:34.22 | fbh | danielss89: screen |
| 19:34.31 | wols | danielss89: nohup, screen, etc |
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| 19:35.05 | danielss89 | and if i want it to start with the server if it reboots, and run the bot again if it stops? |
| 19:35.16 | wols | %rc.local |
| 19:35.16 | dselect | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 19:35.22 | wols | and nohup of course |
| 19:35.28 | wols | and also & at the end |
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| 19:35.45 | ctx | have some diferencies if i have full 3d acceleration or not ? |
| 19:36.06 | wols | define "full 3d acceleration" as compared to e.g. half? |
| 19:37.36 | ctx | wols, dunno, my doubt is use a free driver for nvidia cards or use non-free drivers |
| 19:37.45 | wols | %nouveau |
| 19:37.45 | dselect | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> is in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33 and included in linux-2.6 since 2.6.32-10. The nouveau display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian file for important notes. For 3D support on Debian systems, use the proprietary "nvidia" driver, ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 19:37.50 | jelly-home | ctx: which card? |
| 19:38.07 | sauvin | kk, THAT worked. Virtual consoles are back, had to append a line to the conf file. |
| 19:38.17 | ctx | nvidia gtx 250 |
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| 19:38.33 | sauvin | Jelly-home, what's ctx' problem? |
| 19:38.40 | jelly-home | ctx: on Debian 6.0, use the nonfree driver |
| 19:38.50 | jelly-home | sauvin: I have no idea! |
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| 19:39.24 | sauvin | I just killed a problem with missing virtual consoles using the nvidia driver. |
| 19:39.32 | jelly-home | how did that happen |
| 19:39.40 | ctx | jelly-home, i just want someone indicate me wut kind of drivers to use in nvidia cards |
| 19:39.41 | sauvin | Dunno. Old bug, I guess. |
| 19:40.25 | jelly-home | mine are still alive on testing, 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae, 275.09.07-3 |
| 19:40.39 | sauvin | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120492&highlight=virtual+consoles |
| 19:40.47 | danielss89 | wols: will nohup start the phpfile again if it crashes? |
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| 19:41.41 | jelly-home | sauvin: 2008? o.O |
| 19:42.04 | wols | danielss89:no. but you can always write a script |
| 19:42.14 | jelly-home | or maybe I can't read the fucking 10-04-08 date |
| 19:42.19 | sauvin | jelly-home, yea. Fear. |
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| 19:42.50 | sauvin | I think I remember now having this problem with Lenny when I installed it about two days before it officially released, so this bug is at least two years old. |
| 19:42.57 | wols | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 19:42.58 | judd | Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 275.09.07-1; sid/non-free: 275.09.07-5; experimental/non-free: 280.04-1 |
| 19:43.03 | danielss89 | wols: hmmm theres no command for it? i dont know how to write that :D |
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| 19:43.15 | wols | danielss89: there isn't, no |
| 19:43.55 | danielss89 | wols: ok, can you write it for me? i'll pay you :) |
| 19:44.10 | wols | yeah right... |
| 19:44.32 | danielss89 | i pay you first, and then you write it :D |
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| 19:44.44 | danielss89 | can i pm you? |
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| 19:45.12 | wols | ok |
| 19:45.13 | jelly-home | danielss89: do you have root access on that machine? |
| 19:45.18 | sauvin | wols, don't take less than $10k USD |
| 19:45.22 | rgr | Is there possibly a way to mount iPhone 3g on stable-squeeze without having to install testing/sid components does anyone know? |
| 19:45.22 | danielss89 | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:46.03 | jelly-home | alright, it can be easily done, then, using any of the daemonizing or monitoring tools |
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| 19:46.38 | danielss89 | jelly-home: i'm listening :D |
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| 19:46.59 | jelly-home | danielss89: something like monit or runit or daemontools |
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| 19:47.27 | jelly-home | in order of preference and approximate complexity to set up |
| 19:48.00 | LaChouffe | does anyone konws where the the ld-2.13 linker for the libc-armel-cross package looks for its libray path ? |
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| 19:48.10 | LaChouffe | cause it's always miss libc6 for me ! |
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| 19:49.02 | rgr | Apparently I can upgrade libimobiledevice1 but am worried about knock in affects. |
| 19:49.25 | wols | rgr: backport it? |
| 19:49.34 | rgr | I'm not capable. |
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| 19:50.00 | sauvin | Hey, *I* have backported stuff before. If I can do it, ANYBODY can. |
| 19:50.13 | Shirakawasuna | I want to try out debian (probably wheezy) as a primary desktop OS, but I'm getting pretty attached to global menus/appmenu stuff (default in kubuntu, straightforward to get working in arch linux). I'm having trouble finding anyone who's gotten this working w/ debian, let alone packaged (ease of use/simplicity is one of the things I'd be trying debian for). Can anyone give me a rough idea of how easy it would be to get working? It' |
| 19:50.16 | Shirakawasuna | d likely require patching and compiling both Qt and gtk2 along with the appmenu-specific stuff. |
| 19:50.35 | jelly-home | Shirakawasuna: it's not there yet. |
| 19:50.36 | Shirakawasuna | I guess I didn't mention this: I mean in KDE. I see people who have it working w/ gnome. |
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| 19:50.48 | jelly-home | especially not in KDE |
| 19:51.13 | Shirakawasuna | jelly-home: not there yet as in it doesn't play nicely with debian, or meaning I'd need to hack it all together myself from scratch? |
| 19:51.36 | jelly-home | Shirakawasuna: meaning I haven't seen that at all in testing KDE |
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| 19:52.00 | Shirakawasuna | got it |
| 19:52.03 | Shirakawasuna | thanks! |
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| 19:52.11 | jelly-home | but try the debian-kde project and channel, |
| 19:52.13 | jelly-home | %kde |
| 19:52.13 | dselect | K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
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| 19:53.21 | jelly-home | Shirakawasuna: you're probably going to have to use unstable for their latest builds, but there's not much difference between testing in unstable if you're prepared to do that level of work |
| 19:53.26 | jelly-home | and customization |
| 19:53.53 | Shirakawasuna | I've never used debian, so I don't know what that entails :). However, I use arch as my primary distribution so I'm used to hacking. |
| 19:53.59 | Shirakawasuna | thanks for the resources! |
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| 19:55.03 | blast_hardcheese | Ikarus, pipeline: Mozilla handles flash correctly (somehow); It doesn't switch into "HD video mode" unless you're actually trying to play HD video. Chromium seems to be in that mode by default |
| 19:55.14 | blast_hardcheese | Still sucks though. |
| 19:55.37 | rgr | I thought Id ry and build from source but it somewhat suckily needs latest python and no way I'm installing that. |
| 19:56.05 | blast_hardcheese | No way you're installing the latest python? Why not? |
| 19:56.28 | rgr | because I have stable and I dont want to rock the boat of course. |
| 19:56.44 | blast_hardcheese | People run stable? |
| 19:57.24 | rgr | Are you trolling or being funny? I'm not sure. |
| 19:57.30 | rgr | ;) But any tips apprecaited |
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| 20:00.03 | sauvin | I've been running stable for five years now. |
| 20:01.14 | blast_hardcheese | I've been running testing for quite a while |
| 20:01.31 | rgr | squeeze was the first "stable" that worked with my PC. But I'm gobsmacked iphone mounting is broken. |
| 20:01.49 | rgr | And it doesnt seem trivial to fix. Well not for me. |
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| 20:03.47 | daft | any issue in current testing. I would like to have the new KDE stuff. |
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| 20:03.54 | blast_hardcheese | rgr: iphone mounting using libimobiledevice? |
| 20:04.01 | rgr | yes |
| 20:04.19 | blast_hardcheese | works fine for me, what error are you getting? |
| 20:04.39 | rgr | sigh, You use testing... |
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| 20:04.51 | rgr | The same error as the billions of other people who have reported it. |
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| 20:05.06 | blast_hardcheese | gotcha. |
| 20:05.09 | hochron | I need help getting grub to boot xp |
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| 20:06.03 | themill | rgr: if it's that broken and a relatively unobtrusive fix can be made to the squeeze package, then it can be fixed through squeeze-updates at the next point release. (you could also/instead request a backport be prepared) |
| 20:06.04 | blast_hardcheese | hochron: grub2? |
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| 20:06.47 | hochron | blast_hardcheese, Im not sure ?? |
| 20:06.56 | rgr | well, if it simply not working whatsoever is broken enough I guess ;) Its well documented. I'll look into backports tomorrow. Thanks.. |
| 20:07.24 | rgr | hochron: did you remember to run update-grub after? |
| 20:07.26 | blast_hardcheese | The reason I use testing is because every time I buy new hardware it totally does not work, even with testing |
| 20:07.35 | blast_hardcheese | but then gradually over the next couple of months, support is added |
| 20:08.03 | blast_hardcheese | hochron: Install the "os-prober" package, should solve your problems |
| 20:08.26 | hochron | mmmm rgr, I ran grub-mkconfig, and a line about xp flew by |
| 20:08.31 | hochron | ok blast_hardcheese\ |
| 20:08.52 | rgr | did you install Linux on a PC with XP on it before? |
| 20:08.55 | rgr | (Debian) |
| 20:09.33 | hochron | yes |
| 20:09.41 | rgr | ruight, you need to update grub. |
| 20:09.45 | adminewb | Got a backports kernel largely working ok on 6.0.2, with some exceptions: no access to the network because I need to rebuild the rt2870sta module for this kernel, only I can't find the source package. |
| 20:09.48 | adminewb | Also getting random evidently nonfatal bus errors dumped on every terminal, and the EDID warnings logged don't stop per normal (keeping on every 10sec), as with the stock kernel. |
| 20:10.23 | hochron | blast_hardcheese, it says its already installled, I am going run update-grub and retry it |
| 20:10.31 | blast_hardcheese | hochron: Ah, gotcha |
| 20:10.39 | adminewb | where should I pick up staging driver source? |
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| 20:11.50 | wols | from a kernel source |
| 20:12.15 | adminewb | I thought that another driver rt2800usb might work, but it won't authenticate its connection right; according to "wicd" net info, it's trying to use mode: master rather than managed, the one that works. |
| 20:12.31 | adminewb | I can't even find the backport kernel source |
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| 20:13.31 | wols | that one is in testing obviously. but testing has moved on since the backport one was compiled. it now has .39 |
| 20:13.46 | adminewb | ok |
| 20:13.55 | wols | %tell adminewb about ssb |
| 20:15.00 | adminewb | can't get by loading only a small part of a kernel package? |
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| 20:15.53 | wols | adminewb: you can: http://wireless.kernel.org/ |
| 20:16.02 | adminewb | thanks much |
| 20:16.19 | wols | adminewb: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download in particular |
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| 20:18.22 | adminewb | before I go to the trouble of rebuilding a module which is of dubious quality anyway, are there things I should know about changing default mode in the rt2800usb driver? I think that's the recommended driver for this hardware anyway, given that the kernel can now support it. |
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| 20:19.18 | kencausey | I'm updating testing on a laptop that only use a couple of times a month and so the updates have piled up a bit. I'm using synaptic to install the updates. It gets to configuring linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae and the details section expands to show me the warning about firmware required. All fine and good but that warning has an <ok> 'button' I'm supposed to push to continue but it doesn't appear |
| 20:19.20 | kencausey | that the terminal in the details section is interactable. I can't hit the <ok> button. Suggestions? |
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| 20:20.56 | blast_hardcheese | kencausey: The window you're seeing this in isn't the main synaptic window, right? |
| 20:20.59 | blast_hardcheese | Just close the error window |
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| 20:21.38 | kencausey | blast_hardcheese: It is in the 'Applying Changes' window that shows installation progress. Hitting the X at the upper right does nothing and the close button at the lower right is disabled. |
| 20:21.45 | blast_hardcheese | Either that or just sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 20:22.08 | kencausey | So I should kill synaptic? |
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| 20:23.03 | blast_hardcheese | either that or wait for someone who knows synaptic |
| 20:23.21 | blast_hardcheese | I used it for about a minute before switching to aptitude |
| 20:23.40 | blast_hardcheese | (should say "switching back to aptitude") |
| 20:23.46 | kencausey | I'll wait a bit, I'm actually a long time debian user and would just as soon use apt directly, but I thought I should probably be moving with the times. |
| 20:24.05 | blast_hardcheese | roger that |
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| 20:26.35 | sauvin | I use synaptic a lot, but I wouldn't say I know it well. |
| 20:26.43 | klur | I can't use a chroot as regular user although I am in the group "sid" and the schroot.conf contains the line "groups=sid". Any idea? |
| 20:27.38 | kencausey | I've actually been using synaptic to do updates (and sometimes update manager) for some months, this is the first time I've run into this problem. |
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| 20:28.49 | jelly-home | klur: er, you can't use chroot, or schroot? chroot is a different tool than what you configured. |
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| 20:29.53 | klur | jelly-home, I am using schroot |
| 20:30.16 | klur | jelly-home, I mean... schroot tells me I would not be authorized |
| 20:30.23 | ectospasm | hmmm... I get kernel errors regarding ata5 periodically in my logs... is there any way to tell which device is connected to the ata5 interface? |
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| 20:32.47 | m8 | Anyone use guitarpro6 on debian? |
| 20:34.17 | wols | ectospasm: dmesg? |
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| 20:40.46 | ectospasm | wols: dmesg is spammed with those messages, it doesn't tell me what drive is on ata5.00. |
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| 20:41.18 | ectospasm | Googled a bit, and I discovered that it's my DVD burner: |
| 20:41.21 | ectospasm | messages.1:Jul 7 01:33:49 heroin kernel: [ 3.276522] ata5.00: ATAPI: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223F, SB00, max UDMA/100 |
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| 20:42.02 | ectospasm | I rarely use it, so as long as the errors are for ata5, I can safely ignore them. |
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| 20:44.27 | wols | how does google know what the output of your kernel is? |
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| 20:44.47 | ectospasm | wols: we are the searchers. We are the dreamers of dreams. |
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| 20:45.22 | ectospasm | wols: I googled for the magic grep sauce I used to find that |
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| 20:45.53 | ectospasm | wols: which was "grep ATA messages*" |
| 20:46.01 | jelly-home | ectospasm: I still can't map that to a scsi device |
| 20:46.06 | jelly-home | ectospasm: a=ata5; echo /sys/class/ata_device/*/id|xargs -n1 readlink -f |grep /$a/|xargs cat |tr -d ' ' | xxd -r -ps|strings |
| 20:46.39 | ectospasm | jelly-home: looks complicated. |
| 20:47.17 | jelly-home | because format of /sys/class/ata_device/dev5.0/id is silly |
| 20:47.45 | jelly-home | and also because of the symlinking |
| 20:48.10 | ectospasm | heh, the wonders of /sys |
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| 20:49.27 | kencausey | blast_hardcheese: update: I realized that the notification was likely a process of it's own, whiptail in this case, I killed that and it is progressing now. Now I just have to figure out what to do about the firmware issue |
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| 20:51.20 | hochron | can I get some help installing a lexmark x2500 printer? I read on the web that you can install the 2600 driver for linux and tried that, I got to the part to connect via usb and that is where it froze, I tried dpkg -r <printer>and it said it wasn't installed. It carries through installation until it tries to rm -rf /root/lua_PpaP7y and then it hangs... I dont know what to do... |
| 20:52.22 | hochron | nm it worked |
| 20:52.35 | isodude_ | lol |
| 20:52.37 | isodude_ | what |
| 20:52.37 | hochron | time I guess is what it needed |
| 20:53.04 | isodude_ | that |
| 20:53.14 | isodude_ | thats what time does (dis)solves stuff |
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| 20:54.14 | hochron | hmmm, now in the upper right corner it say missing printer driver in a balloon and it is hanging on the usb connection again |
| 20:54.34 | ectospasm | Lexmark is notorious for their obstinance in providing Linux drivers. |
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| 20:54.44 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 20:55.01 | hochron | do I need to mount it? |
| 20:55.17 | metalfan_ | ive changed /etc/apt/sources.list is this the right way to tell apt about it? sudo aptitude update |
| 20:55.20 | karlpinc_ | hochron: I don't know about your printer, but linuxprinting.org always seems to have the answers. |
| 20:55.30 | ectospasm | metalfan_: yes |
| 20:55.40 | hochron | ok, lsusb lists it |
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| 20:56.37 | jelly-home | printer support for linux is such that it's better to first investigate models, and THEN buy |
| 20:56.53 | isodude_ | Or write the driver yourself. |
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| 20:57.36 | isodude_ | But, that would be like suicide =( |
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| 20:58.39 | hochron | I got it free jelly-home :) |
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| 21:00.08 | jelly-home | isodude_: not many people have time or capability to write drivers |
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| 21:07.02 | LaChouffe | hi ! |
| 21:07.14 | LaChouffe | what are de default lib path for the linker ? |
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| 21:10.47 | Zxcvb | I am trying to get alsa's softvol working, but all I get is this "sample format not available for playback: Invalid argument, Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument" |
| 21:10.54 | abaddon | hi, any idea why the openvz or xen kernels arent in debian wheezy? is there an easy way of running them in wheezy like maybe just using the kernel from squeeze or would that fail on things like libc maybe? |
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| 21:12.20 | Jemt | No, I just installed Zero Ballistics from the Game Store - we just added it (http://gamedrift.org/GameStore.html) |
| 21:12.33 | MrFrood | abaddon: unoffical but if you want zen kernel try the Liquorix ones |
| 21:12.40 | Jemt | Bugger, wrong window |
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| 21:14.01 | MrFrood | %Liquorix |
| 21:14.01 | dselect | Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (http://liquorix.net/) are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. http://zen-kernel.org/about http://zen-kernel.org/faq-folder/what_is_zen #zen-sources on irc.rizon.net. Not to be confused with <Xen>. |
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| 21:18.03 | abaddon | MrFrood: thanks, ill check it out, but any idea why it isnt in any of the debian releases > stable? i wonder if it has something to do with the kernel version and xen/openvz not being available for it |
| 21:20.00 | metalfan_ | why does dpkg -S sources.list not print a packagename that contains the file but instead prints different names for the file? |
| 21:20.03 | MrFrood | no idea, but dedicated testing/unstable support over im #debian-next on the oftc server - perhaps ask there |
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| 21:20.24 | MrFrood | that was for abaddon |
| 21:21.38 | sylar | how do I make one USB stick not automount? |
| 21:22.23 | abaddon | ok, thank you |
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| 21:25.21 | aLgEBrA | what i need is bassdrive |
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| 21:27.04 | zykotick9 | sylar, i "believe" if you add an entry to fstab with the UUID or Label of the ONE usb stick you could prevent it from automounting |
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| 21:30.34 | LaChouffe | Hi, i'm looking for help with the dynamic linker ? |
| 21:30.41 | LaChouffe | anyone knows it well ? |
| 21:30.48 | AntiVigilante | i need to use pulseaudio with lives (they have a stage for positioning video clips) |
| 21:31.08 | AntiVigilante | i cannot get any sound at all |
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| 21:41.52 | Black_Prince | LaChouffe, please ask, maybe someone can answer |
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| 21:44.31 | LaChouffe | Black_Prince: I wondering where the arm cross compiled dynamic linker looks for its default lib search dir |
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| 21:45.01 | LaChouffe | and where can i change it as i have the following issue: http://pastebin.com/kMmKw4gT |
| 21:46.14 | Black_Prince | LaChouffe, it is /lib,/usr/lib for pre squeeze and squeeze and /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi,/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi post squeeze |
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| 21:47.29 | LaChouffe | Black_Prince: yes i saw that, so the question is now where and when that path are defined ? |
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| 21:47.50 | LaChouffe | are they hardcoded or given in a file ? |
| 21:48.06 | LaChouffe | I've greped /etc/ld.so.conf.d -> nothing |
| 21:48.08 | Black_Prince | I guess they are hardcoded into gcc specs |
| 21:48.35 | LaChouffe | ...ah |
| 21:48.44 | Black_Prince | but specs can be changed |
| 21:49.35 | LaChouffe | is there an option that show it ? |
| 21:49.37 | Black_Prince | LaChouffe, also in dynamic linker iirc ... Be sure to use binutils-multiarch when cross-compiling |
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| 21:50.04 | LaChouffe | cause arm-linyx-gnueabi-gcc --search-dir give different path than linker is looking for |
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| 22:00.14 | winter | 1st |
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| 22:02.24 | adminewb | someone seen bus errors like this? http://pastebin.com/6ipdfdpz |
| 22:02.24 | adminewb | I can't determine any ill effects of that, but... |
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| 22:11.25 | nsadmin | is it ok to connect/disconnect sata cables while either end is powered up? |
| 22:12.00 | battaglin | not a good idae imo |
| 22:12.04 | battaglin | idea* |
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| 22:12.59 | nsadmin | agreed, not the greatest of ideas... so, is it going to electrically damage anything? (would never dream of disconnecting pata cables) |
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| 22:14.00 | nsadmin | it's a serial connection, right? I guess it's not rs232 |
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| 22:14.27 | adminewb | since SATA it wasn't designed for hotplug, I'd have to assume damage is likely |
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| 22:15.48 | adminewb | bus error, anyone? can't tell from those console log errors whether a given process was afftected |
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| 22:16.05 | adminewb | affected |
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| 22:17.29 | nsadmin | bus error usually means addressed memory not present, in architectures with memory management, bus errors usually result in a mapping to virtual memory |
| 22:17.49 | nsadmin | (with a processor exception somewhere under the hood) |
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| 22:18.06 | adminewb | hmm |
| 22:18.52 | nsadmin | when the mapping happens, bus errors are not actually "errors" |
| 22:19.21 | nsadmin | maybe what you are experiencing is a bus error that is not being responded to |
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| 22:21.06 | adminewb | the memory paging system seems to behave somewhat erratically up until several minutes after boot |
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| 22:21.30 | adminewb | that's what the messages look like, but again I can't tell that there's any ill effect of all the bluster |
| 22:21.34 | nsadmin | hmm. you might want to clear your mind by ruling out hardware issues |
| 22:21.54 | nsadmin | one form of that would be to run a ram checker for awhile |
| 22:22.00 | adminewb | if there were hardware issues, this older stock kernel would do likewise no? |
| 22:22.14 | adminewb | could do that ya |
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| 22:22.33 | nsadmin | well sure, if there's one thing linux does well it's test ram :) |
| 22:22.46 | adminewb | heh |
| 22:23.04 | nsadmin | what it doesn't do so well is report issues |
| 22:23.22 | adminewb | I'm working with a backport kernel trying to make it better behaved for production use |
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| 22:24.29 | adminewb | like, if there were an option e.g. "rt2800usb.mode=managed" then maybe my wireless could connect like on the older kernel with a staging driver |
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| 22:25.44 | nsadmin | one thing that happened to me recently, is I had 6g ram in a desktop, first 2, then added 4, that worked fine for awhile, then the 2g started flaking, I ran the ram checker while let me know something was up, I pulled the 2g (since I was hoping it wasn't the 4g) and then things worked... |
| 22:26.26 | adminewb | maybe the memory slots all like to host similar devices |
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| 22:27.14 | nsadmin | well sometimes, you need to pair them |
| 22:27.21 | adminewb | often the case |
| 22:28.14 | adminewb | did you run a pae or 64 bit kernel to support the larger memory config? |
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| 22:28.54 | nsadmin | well later I ran amd64 kernel and userland |
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| 22:30.58 | nsadmin | let me reboot this thing, trying to get wireless going again |
| 22:31.53 | nsadmin | check my mail first... |
| 22:32.09 | adminewb | doesn't look much like a page fault uncaught by normal virtual memory code: "Jul 10 01:21:14 abs kernel: [ Â 299.816054] [Hardware Error]: Data Cache Error: during L1 linefill from L2." |
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| 22:39.52 | xperia | anybody alive here ? it is such silent like all were dead ! |
| 22:40.24 | jhutchins | Nobody here but us chickens. |
| 22:40.45 | makubi | chickens? |
| 22:40.48 | xperia | ahh look somebody alive :-) |
| 22:40.58 | lechienkitu | o/ |
| 22:41.01 | makubi | :> |
| 22:41.35 | xperia | i guess you are all in the linux working modus were all is silent dont |
| 22:41.59 | xperia | ehh done |
| 22:42.25 | lechienkitu | xperia: No I'm working on Windows Vista, I like it ! As better as Linux ! Linux sucks, free.. berk .. Private is better ! |
| 22:42.55 | blast_hardcheese | lol? |
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| 22:43.02 | lechienkitu | blast_hardcheese: of course -_- |
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| 22:43.50 | lechienkitu | blast_hardcheese: If I could I killed Bill :D |
| 22:43.51 | xperia | well i have to say and admit for working in business windows still rocks. its a fact. linux is getting better but in bussiness world windows rules still. |
| 22:43.52 | blast_hardcheese | Just having problems parsing your sentence, wasn't sure if it was a joke since it contains logical contradictions and syntax errors |
| 22:44.16 | makubi | xperia: this is just not true |
| 22:44.38 | lechienkitu | blast_hardcheese: normal, I'm french.. :^ |
| 22:44.54 | xperia | ofcourse is true. look at all this finance people they use windows |
| 22:45.04 | xperia | i mean the workers |
| 22:45.22 | xperia | accounting all done mostly with windows |
| 22:45.40 | lechienkitu | Me I like the Mac's community, all code application for dollars, no for expent the community. |
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| 22:46.35 | makubi | xperia: like SAP? |
| 22:46.47 | lechienkitu | huh, i'm not very comprehensible.. |
| 22:47.04 | xperia | in my country the goverment just shutdown whole linux projects and go back to windows |
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| 22:47.43 | makubi | well and you think the reason is because windows works better in that situation? |
| 22:47.43 | xperia | people complain it works not same way like windows. they dont have time to mess |
| 22:47.56 | lechienkitu | xperia: where do you live ? |
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| 22:48.04 | xperia | switzerland |
| 22:48.09 | streuner | xperia: in munich? ;-) |
| 22:48.19 | xperia | ahh cool streuner |
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| 22:48.30 | dvs | well, they have all the money... |
| 22:48.38 | makubi | I think this happens everywhere, but the reason is not the usability of windows |
| 22:48.40 | streuner | xperia: well, you know the story about munich and linux/windows? |
| 22:48.53 | lechienkitu | what what, in your country you don't have the permission for working in linux ? oO |
| 22:49.12 | streuner | nah, thats not the issue |
| 22:49.17 | xperia | i remebered they wanted go with linux but dont know exactly what happened now |
| 22:49.47 | xperia | are they still using linux or did they also shutdown the linux project |
| 22:50.37 | streuner | i have no idea, but someone of MS just fly to munich to *talk* with them... |
| 22:51.29 | streuner | it would be just a bad example/case if munich uses Linux... |
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| 22:51.34 | xperia | lechienkitu: no the problem was the Police wanted to make a Power Point Presentation but becouse of incompatibility they could not run it like on windows |
| 22:51.36 | xperia | then the IT Chief who was responsible for the Linux Project was fired and it was decided to go back to Windows. |
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| 22:51.53 | makubi | lol |
| 22:52.08 | xperia | now goverment dont want to know anything about linux |
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| 22:52.22 | makubi | you think police men does have any idea of windows / linux / etc.? |
| 22:52.35 | Datz | Hi, my Debian install is really slow to resolve domains. Does anyone have any ideas of what I could check, or do? |
| 22:52.41 | xperia | they just dont care |
| 22:52.49 | dualcore | how can i check what version of wine will be installed with apt-get? |
| 22:52.58 | Waxhead1 | wine --version |
| 22:52.59 | makubi | xperia: yeah, but that does not mean that windows is better for big business |
| 22:53.06 | Waxhead1 | dualcore: oh - disregard that |
| 22:53.06 | thinksteve | Or receive some money from well known vendors... |
| 22:53.16 | dualcore | Waxhead1: yeah i wanna check before i install |
| 22:53.22 | makubi | dualcore: aptitiude show wine |
| 22:53.28 | lechienkitu | xperia: so, population can run in linux, right ? |
| 22:53.35 | dualcore | actually i just want to install wine 1.3.2 in the easiest way possible |
| 22:54.00 | adminewb | try "apt-get -s install wine" man page says it will simulate |
| 22:54.15 | xperia | makubi i give you absolute right |
| 22:55.13 | streuner | xperia: http://www.crn.de/software/artikel-90020.html |
| 22:55.23 | adminewb | dualcore ^ |
| 22:55.54 | xperia | lechienkitu: dont know if population can run in linux but people are way to lazy for linux. in linux you need to use your brain.. |
| 22:56.03 | adminewb | wine has its own PPA for keeping updates no? |
| 22:56.11 | makubi | xperia: nope, take ubuntu |
| 22:56.35 | lechienkitu | xperia: what's the fuck ! A country whi interdit an OS oO |
| 22:56.41 | lechienkitu | which* |
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| 22:56.46 | adminewb | ubuntu can't dummy proof all the cases where brains are necessary |
| 22:56.52 | streuner | xperia: i never used an OS which you can use without ;-) |
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| 22:57.01 | makubi | xperia: some members of my family got ubuntu because I installed it for them |
| 22:57.01 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:57.05 | deepa | adminewb: it does a good job of requiring a brain in dummy proof cases |
| 22:57.08 | makubi | instead of windows |
| 22:57.15 | makubi | they all like it better than windows |
| 22:57.17 | nsadmin | hi, I have interfaces eth0, lo and pan0... what's pan0? |
| 22:57.26 | makubi | no matter if XP, Vista or 7 |
| 22:57.40 | makubi | adminewb: windows neither |
| 22:57.48 | themill | nsadmin: personal area network (bluetooth thing) |
| 22:58.05 | nsadmin | oh ok, thanks... |
| 22:58.15 | adminewb | dualcore, so you are not meaning to setup the wine PPA? |
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| 22:58.52 | xperia | makubi ubuntu does break all the time with the upgrade. did not one time worked here on my side |
| 22:58.54 | xperia | server is good it did not maked really anyproblems but desktop is not usable. okay lets talk about debian things then now |
| 22:58.56 | nsadmin | so I'm about to make another weak attempt to see why my wireless isn't showing up... let's see, here's its lspci -nn |
| 22:59.09 | dualcore | adminewb: i am not sure. i want to install whichever version of wine that will best run whichever version of FL Studio the best. |
| 22:59.30 | nsadmin | 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01) |
| 22:59.33 | dualcore | sorry that sentence was structured poorly |
| 22:59.41 | xperia | have a small question related to configuring the webserver in debian. i fail with this problem now since days |
| 22:59.42 | xperia | i have in my server configuration this here http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=t9j64fzz |
| 22:59.44 | xperia | and the redirection of the html file to php works great. Only problem is that if a user does come from otherexample.com Website he is still redirected to the php file even he call the html file. This exactlz should not happen for Visitors from this Website. Anybody have a suggestion how to solve this problem ? |
| 22:59.46 | xperia | please help ! |
| 22:59.48 | nsadmin | , pciid [14e4:4727] |
| 22:59.50 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 22:59.59 | adminewb | dualcore then you've already checked that entry in http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 23:00.20 | makubi | xperia: well, I dont think so, you just should stay on LTS version on desktop as well, works like a charm for family members |
| 23:00.56 | nsadmin | I had it working once, then I think I upgraded... what do I need to do? try the brcm mod? |
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| 23:01.09 | dualcore | yes, according to this (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=178) i'm thinking wine 1.3.2 with fl studio 9.0 will work best |
| 23:01.24 | streuner | nsadmin: ever tried to ask the bot itself via listvals? |
| 23:01.34 | dualcore | wine 1.0.1 will be installed with apt-get, i'm not sure how to install the unstable 1.3.2 |
| 23:01.41 | xperia | makubi ahh okay you are right but then you dont have all this new software most of the time but your idea is good |
| 23:02.01 | streuner | nsadmin: for example /msg dselect listvals/listkeys 4313? |
| 23:02.02 | nsadmin | I've used listvals/listkeys before, yes |
| 23:02.17 | nsadmin | I'll look at that |
| 23:02.21 | themill | nsadmin: whatever the wiki pages say to do ... they're probably the most up to date. |
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| 23:02.34 | nsadmin | !test |
| 23:02.38 | xperia | streuner: good that linux still is not shutdown in munich |
| 23:02.42 | nsadmin | no dpkg still... ok |
| 23:02.49 | streuner | nsadmin: dselect |
| 23:02.55 | streuner | is available |
| 23:02.58 | makubi | xperia: well, it just works here without any problems. the thing is, I am responsible, so if the next LTS is released, I have to upgrade the system. but normal users dont care of new software. they just want to check emails, surf the inet and be happy using what they have got |
| 23:03.11 | nsadmin | linux is shut down somewher? |
| 23:03.22 | makubi | and 'normal' security updates are done automatically |
| 23:03.28 | streuner | no idea what dondelelcare acutally doing |
| 23:03.37 | themill | makubi: perhaps we could get back to debian user support now? |
| 23:03.54 | makubi | themill: sorry, of course |
| 23:04.21 | dualcore | i may have to actually use windows again since i need fl studio and autocad now :[ |
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| 23:04.51 | fbe^ | hi |
| 23:04.56 | fbe^ | anyone using ubuntu here? |
| 23:04.58 | xperia | makubi: thanks for info will stick then to LTS make sense ! |
| 23:05.11 | dualcore | fbe^: ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:05.28 | fbe^ | i'm banned there because i told them that gentoo is greater than ubuntu |
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| 23:05.34 | dualcore | lol |
| 23:05.38 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:05.40 | makubi | :> |
| 23:05.57 | fbe^ | (thats what i only wanted to tell you ;> bye) |
| 23:06.12 | x42 | wazzzzaaaap |
| 23:06.17 | streuner | dselect, gentoosmite fbe^ |
| 23:06.17 | dselect | spends 7 days recompiling fbe^, and when it's all done, fbe^ runs 0.3% faster than previously |
| 23:06.41 | makubi | lol |
| 23:06.48 | xperia | anybody can help me with this problem here http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=t9j64fzz |
| 23:06.55 | fbe^ | :-> |
| 23:07.04 | makubi | congratulations, fbe^ ! |
| 23:07.52 | xperia | the redirect from html to php works but if a Visitor is comming from the specific Website otherexample.com and call the html file he is still redirected ! |
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| 23:08.20 | xperia | it should not happen however. it drives me crazy |
| 23:08.26 | MoonTiger | hi guys :) i am having issues shutting down or restarting xfce4 on wheezy |
| 23:08.33 | MoonTiger | the buttons are disabled |
| 23:08.36 | MoonTiger | any clues? |
| 23:08.52 | xperia | should i go to debian server maybe ? |
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| 23:11.28 | nvictor | wols: you tere? |
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| 23:11.30 | nvictor | there? :D |
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| 23:11.47 | streuner | nvictor: its 1:10 AM in germany... |
| 23:11.55 | nvictor | oh cool |
| 23:11.57 | nvictor | :) |
| 23:12.10 | makubi | in austria too, lol :> |
| 23:12.17 | nvictor | streuner: would apt-get dist-upgrade break my distro? |
| 23:12.24 | streuner | so just ask the channel, someone might able to help you |
| 23:12.46 | streuner | nvictor: well, Debian gives no guerantee about that :-P |
| 23:13.06 | streuner | nvictor: but usually reading release-notes help |
| 23:13.19 | MoonTiger | any ideas? :) |
| 23:13.21 | nvictor | streune, ok i'm scared, i won't do it |
| 23:13.22 | makubi | package upgrades could always break the system, but normally it shouldnt (at least thats what I think) |
| 23:13.23 | nvictor | :) |
| 23:13.39 | nvictor | makubi: yes but here i think it's a distro upgrade |
| 23:13.41 | makubi | vltx: do you want to upgrade from one release to another? |
| 23:13.42 | llua | @MoonTiger, are you using gdm? |
| 23:13.43 | streuner | nvictor: install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 23:13.52 | MoonTiger | llua, no im using slim |
| 23:14.19 | llua | @MoonTiger, exec ck-launch-session startxfce4 |
| 23:14.22 | makubi | aah, nvictor, not vltx |
| 23:14.33 | llua | in your .xinitrc |
| 23:14.36 | MoonTiger | llua, i do that for arch ... is it the same for debian these days? |
| 23:14.41 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 23:14.42 | MoonTiger | cool |
| 23:14.44 | streuner | nvictor: its a simple way to get packages without stronge bugs, but if you using a production server, i would be more careful... |
| 23:15.07 | streuner | nvictor: s/stronge/evil/ |
| 23:15.11 | llua | @MoonTiger, software is software. |
| 23:15.24 | MoonTiger | :) thnx |
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| 23:15.45 | nvictor | streuner: ok thanks |
| 23:15.52 | nvictor | you guys have a good night |
| 23:15.57 | nvictor | oh one last thing |
| 23:16.10 | nvictor | i forgot the commands for changing root and user passwords |
| 23:16.17 | nvictor | but first would that break anything? :D |
| 23:16.17 | makubi | passwd? :> |
| 23:16.36 | nvictor | makubi: would that break anything? |
| 23:16.50 | nvictor | apache? ssh? gnome-ring ? |
| 23:17.29 | makubi | nvictor: what? what does apache, ssh and gnome-ring have to do with passwd? |
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| 23:19.06 | makubi | to be clear, you can use passwd to change local user account passwords, apache is a web server, ssh is a service to manage pcs remotely and gnome-ring has something to do with the gnome-ui |
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| 23:19.57 | nvictor | makubi: nothing but would the change affect them? |
| 23:20.08 | makubi | what change? |
| 23:20.10 | nvictor | makuki: what's the real purpose of su -? |
| 23:20.15 | nvictor | the change of password |
| 23:20.21 | makubi | to get root |
| 23:20.34 | nvictor | that's weird, what does a login shell mean then? |
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| 23:20.54 | makubi | well, a shell to login in :> what do you mean? |
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| 23:21.30 | makubi | if you change the password of a user you use to log in using ssh and have ssh-password-logins enabled, this will affect ssh too |
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| 23:21.50 | kingsley | Do dpkg, apt-get and aptitude retrieve the latest version of a package that's archived at multiple entries in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:21.57 | nvictor | makubi: thanks a lot |
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| 23:22.04 | nvictor | makubi: you have a great evening |
| 23:22.06 | lapsusbrutus | TLER support,,, is this important on linux sw raid? |
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| 23:22.15 | makubi | nvictor: normally you use 'sudo' to execute commands as root |
| 23:22.32 | makubi | well, that was funny though |
| 23:22.46 | streuner | kingsley: apt-get tries to get always the latest version of a package, IIRC |
| 23:22.47 | makubi | hope that he will not kill his server |
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| 23:23.40 | streuner | kingsley: but you should know better, after all it ends with mulitple entries in <bobbitt> |
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| 23:25.46 | nsadmin | dselect, test |
| 23:25.46 | dselect | Test failed. |
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| 23:27.55 | nsadmin | nvictor: su is literally "switch user" and is used to start a shell process owned by the specifed user, if user not specified, root |
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| 23:28.51 | nsadmin | running a root shell is considered risky; consider the purpose of the machine you would do that with before you do it |
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| 23:29.44 | nsadmin | of course,,, if the purpose is to learn the shell and be a throwaway install, that's one extreme while the other is, machine used to support thousands of shell and other types of users |
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| 23:30.41 | toolz | hi, I'm trying to create a bootable USB stick using kmuto's files but I have problems with the device: fdisk -l tells me: Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table I zcat the .gz and I cant mount it to put the .iso on it |
| 23:30.51 | nsadmin | in the former case, feel free to do anything, while the latter is, machine may not even belong to you even if you do have permission to access it as root; if you don't know the shell, DON'T DO IT in that case. |
| 23:31.29 | nsadmin | soend the 2-6 months necessary to learn the shell first |
| 23:32.42 | sylar | is there some command to check all files or reinstall them? I had some disk corruption, not sure the files are well |
| 23:32.45 | nsadmin | toolz, maybe the image you're working with doesn't have a partition table at sector 0 (or anywhere). what image is it? |
| 23:33.00 | toolz | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:33.08 | toolz | netboot-amd64-0710.tar.gz |
| 23:33.33 | nsadmin | and the instructions say to write that to a raw device? |
| 23:33.36 | streuner | sylar; in theory you can use /msg dselect reinstall |
| 23:34.13 | streuner | sylar; but in my experiences it just doesnt work |
| 23:34.19 | sylar | hmm |
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| 23:34.49 | streuner | sylar: what kind of issue is that at all? |
| 23:34.50 | toolz | well, thats how I used to create bootable usb devices, plugging - zcat the image, mount the device, put the .iso and umount |
| 23:34.53 | toolz | am I doing it wrong? |
| 23:35.05 | nsadmin | toolz, are you trying to install debian? onto what? the usb device or internal hd? (one sec) |
| 23:35.07 | streuner | sdb isnt a partition |
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| 23:35.16 | streuner | sdb(x) is |
| 23:35.32 | toolz | nsadmin, I am trying to create an usb device- bootable so I can install from it debian on a pc without cd-rom |
| 23:35.42 | sylar | streuner, I had a bad disk, and dd it to an other while having lots of missing blocks |
| 23:35.54 | toolz | with a netinst image |
| 23:35.57 | sylar | streuner, it works but I am not sure everything is well |
| 23:36.15 | nsadmin | toolz, ok, so once you succeed, where do you want the finished image to go? |
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| 23:36.56 | nsadmin | err not finished image |
| 23:36.59 | toolz | well shouldn't it go on the usb stick and stay there so it can install debian on the pc |
| 23:37.06 | nsadmin | finished installation |
| 23:37.15 | nsadmin | sorry, misspoke |
| 23:37.43 | toolz | I want to insert that stick into another PC so I can install debian on it |
| 23:37.45 | nsadmin | ok, so on the pc, there is hd storage where you want the installation to boot from? |
| 23:37.55 | toolz | yes, I will remove the stick after |
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| 23:38.10 | toolz | I just want to use the stick for the installation |
| 23:38.15 | nsadmin | ok, cool... now I understand what you want to do |
| 23:38.15 | toolz | but cant create it :/ |
| 23:38.55 | streuner | sylar: How about to fsck the FS? |
| 23:38.57 | nsadmin | are you using the "easy way" or "flexible way" (as per instructions in install guide)? |
| 23:39.18 | toolz | for example, I'm trying this way: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Boot_Debian_from_an_USB_device |
| 23:39.20 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:39.23 | sylar | streuner, there were lots of errors, I fixed them by saying yes to all |
| 23:39.25 | toolz | tho my device is sdb not sda |
| 23:39.41 | nsadmin | TrueDD: see? tgldja! |
| 23:39.43 | streuner | sylar: are you sure that the HD/media is ok? |
| 23:40.29 | streuner | sylar: in doubt i would use smartctl, if the media supports it |
| 23:40.32 | nsadmin | well you actually want to -install- debian from a usb device |
| 23:40.50 | nsadmin | according to what you said before. I do have that right? |
| 23:40.57 | sylar | streuner, the media is not ok, I copied it to an other media |
| 23:41.18 | toolz | yes, and thats an example, instead of the image in that example I will put an netinst image on the stick so I can install from internet |
| 23:41.25 | streuner | sylar: well, i meant the other media |
| 23:41.32 | nsadmin | ok... |
| 23:41.35 | toolz | I did that before |
| 23:41.48 | toolz | but now I have problems with this stick doesn't mount when I have to put the .iso on it |
| 23:41.51 | sylar | streuner, the other media is new |
| 23:41.52 | nsadmin | let's see if I can find the right thing before I have to go |
| 23:42.07 | streuner | sylar: well, that doesnt mean, its ok |
| 23:42.15 | sylar | streuner, it got the FS corrupted |
| 23:42.26 | simonlnu | it was designed for hotplug, tmk (sata. yes i'm late to the party) |
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| 23:42.55 | sylar | streuner, so it isn't the new media fault |
| 23:42.55 | sylar | streuner, I would have just liked to make a reinstall |
| 23:43.03 | sylar | or compare all files to the originals |
| 23:43.12 | CannedCorn | hey guys |
| 23:43.16 | CannedCorn | having trouble with my apache logs |
| 23:43.19 | CannedCorn | not sure what happened |
| 23:43.25 | CannedCorn | but i can't cd into /var/log/apache2 |
| 23:43.47 | CannedCorn | access denied and when i use sudo it says cd is a not found command |
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| 23:44.53 | makubi | CannedCorn: so 'ls -l /var/log/apache2' and watch the log files |
| 23:44.58 | streuner_ | sylar: well, if you using stable it shouldnt be an issue to reinsalll (/msg dselect reinstall), IMO |
| 23:45.01 | makubi | or get root and cd there |
| 23:45.45 | nsadmin | CannedCorn, is your caps lock on? unix command names are case sensitive |
| 23:46.09 | sylar | streuner, was dpkg renamed? |
| 23:46.18 | nsadmin | dselect, ig |
| 23:46.18 | dselect | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 23:46.20 | toolz | nsadmin, any idea? |
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| 23:46.33 | nsadmin | well that's the install guide link right there |
| 23:46.36 | themill | CannedCorn: you don't use cd as a command with sudo |
| 23:46.44 | streuner_ | sylar: no, dpkg (bot) isnt ac |
| 23:46.50 | makubi | nsadmin: no, I think thats the right way, you cant cd as sudo |
| 23:47.04 | streuner_ | sylar: no, dpkg (bot) isnt actually available, so we use dselect (backup) now |
| 23:47.07 | CannedCorn | themill nsadmin makubi ok |
| 23:47.16 | nsadmin | well cd is also a bash builting |
| 23:47.16 | CannedCorn | so i get permission denied when i ls -l |
| 23:47.18 | makubi | because after you cd-ed as root, you are "normal" user again and do not have the privileges |
| 23:47.19 | CannedCorn | and i can't use cd |
| 23:47.20 | nsadmin | -g |
| 23:47.30 | CannedCorn | how do normal users view the apache logs |
| 23:47.31 | makubi | so that might not make any sense to cd using sudo |
| 23:47.53 | makubi | CannedCorn: sudo ls -l /var/log/apache2 |
| 23:48.08 | CannedCorn | ok, but that still just shows em |
| 23:48.16 | makubi | CannedCorn: less /var/log/apache2/... (or cat, tail, etc.) |
| 23:48.33 | nsadmin | CannedCorn, it |
| 23:48.35 | nsadmin | err |
| 23:48.55 | nsadmin | CannedCorn, it's good you're being careful about running the root shell |
| 23:50.03 | CannedCorn | yeah... |
| 23:50.23 | nsadmin | toolz, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:50.57 | nsadmin | CannedCorn, having said that, maybe a shell is the easiest way |
| 23:51.01 | pzn | after applying today DSA of asterisk, it stopped working, with no hints in /var/log/asterisk/*... an stop -> start in the daemon restarts it again, but only stays active for a few seconds. |
| 23:51.17 | nsadmin | or, you can use something like sudo less /var/log/apache/somefile |
| 23:51.29 | CannedCorn | how do people usually monitor apache logs |
| 23:51.36 | CannedCorn | right but i have to view the file |
| 23:51.38 | CannedCorn | then when i do |
| 23:51.44 | CannedCorn | it seems like apache hasn't written to it in a while |
| 23:51.51 | CannedCorn | so something is messed up with permissions |
| 23:51.53 | CannedCorn | or so it seems |
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| 23:52.18 | nsadmin | sometimes they use a log swallower that spits out summary web pages of the logs in what the aughor thought was more convenient way to read them |
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| 23:52.34 | CannedCorn | ok |
| 23:52.35 | CannedCorn | so |
| 23:52.59 | CannedCorn | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 Jul 10 02:25 access.log |
| 23:52.59 | CannedCorn | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 347073 Jul 3 20:54 access.log.1 |
| 23:53.01 | CannedCorn | i see those |
| 23:53.16 | CannedCorn | looks like no new logs have been written after jul 3 |
| 23:53.19 | CannedCorn | what gives |
| 23:53.20 | nsadmin | these log "swallower" "consumer" things are daemons which read the files and produce summaries |
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| 23:53.28 | CannedCorn | def activity hapening |
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| 23:55.01 | nsadmin | anyway.... gotta go; CannedCorn, toolz, good luck, explore. |
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| 23:56.12 | CannedCorn | toolz? |
| 23:56.29 | lapsusbrutus | the user |
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| 23:58.00 | toolz | CannedCorn? |
| 23:58.07 | CannedCorn | oh |
| 23:58.09 | CannedCorn | i see |
| 23:58.13 | CannedCorn | he was talking to you |
| 23:58.17 | CannedCorn | and me |
| 23:58.17 | toolz | yea |
| 23:58.27 | lapsusbrutus | BannedPorn? |
| 23:58.45 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:58.56 | lapsusbrutus | sorry too much rum.. arr |
| 23:59.29 | streuner_ | steals the bottle from lapsusbrutus and drinks it all |
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| 23:59.58 | lapsusbrutus | already emptied :p |