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| 00:03.28 | brixsat | hello i have a fresh setup of debian squeze and no wifi :( |
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| 00:03.43 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; k, i see it, where do i change that please? in /etc/localhost ? |
| 00:03.46 | JustAGal | o.o |
| 00:04.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: check /etc/mailname and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 00:04.40 | JustAGal | ??? |
| 00:04.43 | JustAGal | Hello? |
| 00:05.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: greet JustAGal |
| 00:05.01 | dpkg | Hello, JustAGal |
| 00:05.42 | JustAGal | lol great |
| 00:05.49 | JustAGal | Hi... |
| 00:05.56 | JustAGal | Is it always this empty? |
| 00:06.22 | beardy | It's quite full. |
| 00:06.22 | daemonkeeper | 1056 people make you think, its empty? |
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| 00:06.56 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; /etc/mailname just has my isp in it, no 'boudiccas' and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf doesnt mention boztu at all. boztu is my username |
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| 00:07.59 | brixsat | hello i have a fresh setup of debian squeze and no wifi :( |
| 00:08.16 | JustAGal | I meant noone is talking yet there is so many people in here. |
| 00:08.20 | slaeshjag | brixsat: Probably missing firmware |
| 00:08.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: it'll be taking your mailname as the username then. what about loclahost? |
| 00:09.31 | themill | JustAGal: when there are no bugs in debian, there's no support required. If you want social chatter, maybe you wanted #defocus. |
| 00:09.36 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have this server that is running only a few services that has 1G ram and is using 941568k how can i find out which program is using all that memory. Usual suspects would be ps aux and top. Which one of those is more accurate? |
| 00:09.40 | brixsat | slaeshjag: i have Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02) |
| 00:10.10 | themill | brixsat: that's not your wireless device |
| 00:10.12 | JustAGal | Oh okay, i see. Thanks themill |
| 00:10.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: i predict the disk cache. |
| 00:10.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | bah. tharkun ^^ |
| 00:10.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: sorry |
| 00:10.48 | slaeshjag | brixsat: You can confirm my hypothesis by running dmesg, you should see the kernel requesting a firmware and failing |
| 00:10.50 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: no worries. I predict that too ;) |
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| 00:11.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 00:11.21 | beardy | Or #debian-offtopic. |
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| 00:11.31 | beardy | !spank themill |
| 00:11.31 | dpkg | bends themill over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 00:11.46 | slaeshjag | brixsat: If you see it fail, you probably need a package from the non-free repo |
| 00:11.54 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; i havent got a /etc/localhosts ! |
| 00:12.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: huh? |
| 00:12.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh |
| 00:12.18 | brixsat | slaeshjag: wich packg? |
| 00:12.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, try and find out where the string 'loclahost' comes from. exim is trying to use it as the hostname, so it must be somewhere |
| 00:12.50 | brixsat | themill: http://pastebin.com/y36VjiJz wich one is wifi? |
| 00:12.52 | slaeshjag | depends on your WiFi-chip. do a aptitude search on firmware and see if you see something that might be right |
| 00:13.22 | slaeshjag | brixsat: No WiFi found |
| 00:14.04 | brixsat | but i do have, ubuntu works ok with it |
| 00:14.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | brixsat: it might be on the usb bus |
| 00:14.22 | brixsat | how do i know it Kamping_Kaiser ? |
| 00:14.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | brixsat: lsusb |
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| 00:15.47 | brixsat | http://pastebin.com/Q8jTr3ed |
| 00:15.59 | brixsat | Kamping_Kaiser: see this http://pastebin.com/Q8jTr3ed |
| 00:16.21 | slaeshjag | brixsat: Yes, it's on the USB bus |
| 00:16.39 | brixsat | :) wich one? is |
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| 00:16.50 | themill | !RT2573 |
| 00:16.50 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 802.11g USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the rt73usb next-generation driver, included in mainline Linux kernels since version 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 00:16.56 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; i've just done a locate loacalhosts ..... zilch, ditto loclahost ditto localhost so i cant see where its picking it up from. it must be in a conf file somewhere |
| 00:17.28 | brixsat | tks |
| 00:17.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: yes, its not a filename |
| 00:17.48 | tharkun | Gentlemen Is there a way to avoid the fsck to be run at startup when the laptop is on battery? If so what is the program that deserves researching? |
| 00:18.12 | tharkun | Or at least be delayed until the next power driven startup |
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| 00:18.18 | themill | tharkun: doesn't it do that already? |
| 00:18.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: you have to manually cut teh balls off the relevant init script |
| 00:18.25 | Sh4ring4n | !spankthemill |
| 00:18.25 | tharkun | themill: no |
| 00:18.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: nope, it now always fscks |
| 00:18.39 | Sh4ring4n | !spank themill |
| 00:18.39 | dpkg | bends themill over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 00:18.42 | Sh4ring4n | :D |
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| 00:18.45 | Sh4ring4n | sry |
| 00:18.48 | Sh4ring4n | I had to do this |
| 00:18.58 | themill | looks at Sh4ring4n |
| 00:19.02 | daemonkeeper | I had the impression it would, as themill indicates. |
| 00:19.03 | tharkun | Kamping_Kaiser: I think that is an overkill fixing some config file should be enough |
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| 00:19.28 | tharkun | themill: any suspects to stab? |
| 00:19.47 | themill | tharkun: "grep on_ac_power /etc/init.d/*" this should already be the case |
| 00:19.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: checkfs.sh and checkroot.sh are the scripts in question; go wild |
| 00:19.59 | doomfinger | I have a problem with network-manager not thinking there are any devices and auto sub mounting not working with the new Debian 6. any suggestions? |
| 00:20.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | # Disabled AC power check until fsck can be told to only check the |
| 00:20.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | # file system if it is corrupt when running on battery. (bug #526398) |
| 00:20.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^^ |
| 00:20.13 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; this is from /etc/hosts ....... 127.0.0.1localhost 127.0.1.1london 127.0.0.1 london localhost london.(none) |
| 00:20.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:21.19 | themill | tharkun: do you have the powermgmt-base package installed? |
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| 00:21.26 | doomfinger | I have a netbook btw. |
| 00:21.27 | tharkun | checking |
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| 00:21.41 | initself | my system doesn't seem to be aware that it is daylight savings time |
| 00:21.51 | initself | how can i teach it to understand the time? |
| 00:21.54 | tharkun | themill: yes it is installed |
| 00:21.58 | initself | i'm reading this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 00:22.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: did you update your smarthost (to your isp/whatever) and update the exim config? i'm wondering if mail works now |
| 00:22.19 | ujjain | Does Debian have software for managing lots of debian servers? e.g. updates, install packages |
| 00:22.31 | doomfinger | I gtg.but i'll be back. |
| 00:22.31 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; yes i did update, and i havent tried again, i will do so |
| 00:22.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | initself: got all your updates installed? |
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| 00:22.40 | themill | tharkun: that should already do what you want, I think... unless your on_ac_power isn't working properly for some reason. |
| 00:23.18 | initself | Kamping_Kaiser: what kind of update? |
| 00:23.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | ujjain: such as? |
| 00:23.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | ujjain: there is lots of software, from cluster ssh through to cfengine and beond |
| 00:23.53 | ujjain | Like Spacewalk. |
| 00:23.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | initself: such as the tzdata package (or whatever has timezone data these days) |
| 00:24.01 | tharkun | themill: how can i check that the on_ac_power is working ok? |
| 00:24.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | ujjain: if you are saying 'does debian have spacewalk', then 'no' |
| 00:24.20 | initself | the TZ is US/Pacfic which is correct |
| 00:24.29 | themill | tharkun: it has a man page and you have the ability to yank the power cord :) |
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| 00:24.50 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; we have a result! localmail is being recieved again, thanks :) |
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| 00:25.10 | initself | installs ntp. |
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| 00:25.17 | ujjain | Kamping_Kaiser: what would you recommen as a debian spacewalk alternative? |
| 00:25.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: \o/ theres one win for us |
| 00:25.25 | tharkun | wonders what !lart themill would have writen |
| 00:25.51 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; thanks to you, as i was way out of my depth then |
| 00:25.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | ujjain: not having used spacwalk (recently) i couldn't comment on that |
| 00:26.05 | initself | is happy! |
| 00:26.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: no problem. does remote mail work too, or just local? |
| 00:26.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: btw, id you don't have it, i like the 'etckeeper' package. handy for stepping back through time |
| 00:27.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | (for log checking more then reverting of changes) |
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| 00:28.25 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; it seems that its just local mail and not remote, leastways its not been picked up in my gmail a/c. i havent heard of 'etckeeper' so i'll install it and have a play |
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| 00:28.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: check your exim log, may give you some idea why remote isn't working |
| 00:31.07 | asarch | cd Python-2.7.1/Doc && make latex: /bin/sh: svn: not found |
| 00:31.15 | asarch | Where is this 'svn' program? |
| 00:31.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | asarch: not yet intalled by the look of it |
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| 00:31.43 | tharkun | themill: it does not work :) |
| 00:31.54 | themill | asarch: a couple of things (1) apt-file is your friend, /msg dpkg apt-file; (2) why are you trying to compile python2.7? |
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| 00:32.13 | themill | tharkun: that answers your question then... it needs working ACPI support, I suspect. |
| 00:32.41 | asarch | Whell, aptitude -y install svn: Couldn't find package "svn", and more than 40 |
| 00:32.42 | tharkun | acpid does show up when it is on acpower and when it is not |
| 00:32.49 | asarch | I only want the PDF documentation |
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| 00:33.15 | asarch | It is for a small project at school |
| 00:33.22 | themill | hates to think why make is downloading stuff with subversion |
| 00:33.23 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; i can live with no external mails, i mainly need it for localhost mails |
| 00:33.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: if its not bothering you i won't push it :) |
| 00:34.19 | themill | ajmrch: «apt-file search -x bin/svn$» |
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| 00:34.52 | ajmrch | THANK YOU themill |
| 00:34.57 | ajmrch | Thank you very much! :-) |
| 00:35.50 | asarch | subversion: /usr/bin/svn |
| 00:36.21 | asarch | This is the fist time I need the full name of a package to get it |
| 00:36.22 | asarch | :-P |
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| 00:36.37 | somiaj | is the uptime timestamp in dmesg from the kernel a debian patch or an option (I can't seem to figure out how to turn it on complining my own vanilla kernel from kernel.org) |
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| 00:37.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | well, afk |
| 00:37.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | will scroll up later, perhaps |
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| 00:38.07 | vexed_ | anyone have any ideas on how to install debian testing on a system with a AMD 6850 gfx card ? The mesa drivers it installs hard lock the system, and I can't do squat. :( |
| 00:38.37 | seifried | use text mode? |
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| 00:38.53 | seifried | or you mean it installs, boot and poops itself? |
| 00:38.54 | gnarface | aren't there real drivers available for that? |
| 00:39.19 | vexed_ | This is a initial install, the gui interface for the install goes fine, but on reboot, I am hosed. |
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| 00:40.40 | asarch | Wonderful, make latex automatically did a svn up -dp of the files |
| 00:40.41 | asarch | :-S |
| 00:40.56 | somiaj | vexed_: I prefer to use a stable installer (base system only) and then dist-upgrade to testing -- the testing installer can sometimes be buggy |
| 00:40.57 | gnarface | vexed_: have you tried to remove 'quiet' from grub's kernel boot options ? |
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| 00:41.26 | vexed_ | gnarface, nope, haven't tried that yet. |
| 00:41.48 | gnarface | vexed_: you're crazy by the way to use a non-stable installer. they suck. |
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| 00:42.06 | vexed_ | somiaj, I was thinking of using stable, then doing a dist upgrade, but I am better the problem will still be there, since it will still install the mesa drivers... |
| 00:42.16 | vexed_ | err betting* |
| 00:42.49 | tharkun | themill: checked the on_ac_power and it is now working. What would be my next step (Sorry to bug you but i am not even sure how this works) |
| 00:43.09 | somiaj | vexed_: don't install a dm until you got xorg running from the command line |
| 00:43.49 | vexed_ | Hmm, a bit more complex that I had hoped for. I was hoping for a easy fix. |
| 00:43.54 | vexed_ | than* |
| 00:44.27 | gnarface | vexed_: at which point does it IO lock. you're sure its an IO lock? your numlock light doesn't toggle anymore? |
| 00:44.33 | somiaj | vexed_: you could just boot off a rescue cd and disable your dm until you figure out the driver issue (check your kernel/xorg log to see why its locking) |
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| 00:45.17 | vexed_ | gnarface, it hard locks pretty darn fast, I see some quick text, then boom, black screen & hard lock. |
| 00:46.11 | gnarface | vexed_: yea go try removing 'quiet' from the grub boot options; maybe then you'll be able to see what the last thing it does before it chokes is |
| 00:46.31 | vexed_ | even the 'rescue mode' doesn't do anything besides hard lock either. I didn't think about using a live CD to try and tinker. I guess I can try that. :) |
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| 00:47.56 | somiaj | vexed_: if its locking quickly (before your dm trys to start x late in the boot) it won't be the mesa issue since it hasn't called those yet. It could be a kernel framebuffer module loading for the graphics card you could disable. |
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| 00:48.39 | wols | vexed_: have you installed radeon firmware for your card? |
| 00:48.57 | vexed_ | somiaj, well, this is on a SSD, so it loads everything pretty darn fast. |
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| 00:49.11 | gnarface | remove the 'quiet' option |
| 00:49.14 | vexed_ | wols, the installer doesn't give you that option to do anything. |
| 00:49.34 | gnarface | disable login manager? |
| 00:49.40 | wols | true. do as ganrface said and also disable framebuffer and kmodeset |
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| 00:50.18 | vexed_ | OK, worth a shot. Thanks for the info. |
| 00:50.23 | m3lvin | Hi, I've just gotten a couple of new HD's and I was reading on smartmontools and badblocks command, I'm running the long smartctl test to see if there are any errors, while reading I found out about the badblocks command and I was thinking if they do the same thing? Is one recommended over the other? Do they both run read/write tests on all blocks? |
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| 00:54.57 | tharkun | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks you had the answer from the beginning |
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| 01:01.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: i had the same question a few months back, so the rage is still fresh with me :) |
| 01:02.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: 90 minuts of battery life, 50 minutes to fsck (at full speed). i was annoyed at that 'solution' |
| 01:04.54 | tharkun | Kamping_Kaiser: Same thing happened to me last night. I was in a total rage. But then work got through. I uncomented the appropiate lines and hope for the best ;P |
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| 01:05.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: gl :) |
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| 01:10.07 | shingen | testing is only available via jigdo? |
| 01:11.00 | vexed_ | shingen, no, I got a ISO of it about 1 hour ago (amd64) |
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| 01:11.30 | mozzwald | I am trying to get xorg running on a zipit z2 device with Debian but can't get the keyboard to work. The input device is detected and xev shows the events when keys are pressed, but nothing seems to happen. for example if I run a terminal, no key presses appear. The zipit has no mouse, but I have tested a mouse emulator that uses the arrow keys and it seems to work fine. Does anyone have a recommendation? |
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| 01:12.01 | mozzwald | here's my xorg.log http://pastebin.com/RDRF6h5Q |
| 01:12.14 | shingen | oh, I just realized I was only looking on torrents and jigdo.. I see it as a cd now... time to abuse some bandwidth :) |
| 01:12.29 | shingen | err, I see it on http/ftp now |
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| 01:13.58 | shingen | is there a live cd for testing available? |
| 01:14.30 | DammitJim | yes |
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| 01:14.49 | DammitJim | you mean for testing Debian or for the testing version of debian? |
| 01:14.56 | DammitJim | http://live.debian.net/ |
| 01:14.59 | shingen | testing version of debian |
| 01:15.22 | s3a | shingen, i think it's only stable and oldstable that are available |
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| 01:15.41 | shingen | was hoping for wheezy live cd |
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| 01:15.52 | somiaj | shingen: make your own |
| 01:15.59 | s3a | sorry |
| 01:16.23 | s3a | anyways, i have to go (restarting comp) |
| 01:16.47 | DammitJim | shingen, if you want to test debian, you can use debootstrap |
| 01:16.56 | s3a | shingen, depending on your needs, you could use a different distro's live cd and use debian as your installed version |
| 01:17.15 | s3a | but that's probably not what you want. anyways, i'm rebooting for real now |
| 01:17.23 | DammitJim | see ya s3a |
| 01:17.28 | s3a | bye |
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| 01:37.21 | linuxman410 | will debian see intel wireless |
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| 01:38.20 | wols_ | you will need the firmware, then yes |
| 01:38.47 | shingen | is there a wheezy netinstall? |
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| 01:39.09 | wols_ | afaik yes there are weekly installers. but it is advised not to use them |
| 01:39.32 | shingen | better yet, if I was to download just dvd 1 of wheezy amd64, would i be able to install enough on my machine to boot? |
| 01:39.34 | linuxman410 | how come ubuntu and all the others reconize wireless cards off the bat |
| 01:39.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | there was a cut iso recently |
| 01:39.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | linuxman410: they don't care about freedom to the same extent as debian |
| 01:40.14 | linuxman410 | oh ok |
| 01:40.42 | wols_ | linuxman410: they simply distribute firmwares without a clear license to do so and they don't care if said firmware is closed source or not |
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| 01:41.11 | wols_ | shingen: a netinst installs enough to boot. no network necessary |
| 01:41.59 | shingen | well, since I can't find a wheezy netinstall, will dvd 1 of 9 be good enough too? |
| 01:42.19 | DammitJim | shingen, you can't find a wheezy netinstall? |
| 01:42.20 | DammitJim | hold on |
| 01:42.23 | wols_ | it will. and you haven't looked: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:42.31 | shingen | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 01:43.35 | linuxman410 | is wheezy the next version |
| 01:43.48 | wols_ | shingen: but there is a reason we told you to use squeeze for installing |
| 01:43.54 | wols_ | !wheezy |
| 01:43.54 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 01:44.55 | shingen | wols_: well, I'm really trying to get linuxmint debian edition on my machine, but the video drivers are broken in their live spin... so they're wheezy based and I figured I'd just find a wheezy net install and add their repos and I'd be good to go |
| 01:45.37 | wols_ | shingen: provided the wheezy installer works. which is not at all assured |
| 01:46.23 | DammitJim | shingen, how about bodhilinux? |
| 01:47.36 | linuxman410 | shingen what about peppermint |
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| 01:48.14 | DammitJim | yes, talking about peppermint... I need to go have some of this key lime pie |
| 01:48.17 | shingen | DammitJim: not looking for an ubuntu based distro.. .want straight debian... might consider crunchbang if I can't get testing to work... btw, i"m not looking for something minimal for this laptop, it can handle unity and gnome 3.0... I just find both WMs to be not of my taste |
| 01:48.20 | huma | can there be a problem if a service script doesn't use start-stop-daemon for the stop command? |
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| 01:48.51 | DammitJim | shingen, that's the spirit! |
| 01:49.03 | DammitJim | can you install squeeze? |
| 01:49.10 | DammitJim | I haven't read everything that you posted |
| 01:49.35 | shingen | probably could... just that linut mint debian is wheezy, so I figured that their repo would work best with the latest and greatest from testing |
| 01:49.53 | DammitJim | 'cause what I normally do is I install squeeze |
| 01:49.58 | DammitJim | and then upgrade to wheezy |
| 01:50.00 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 01:50.00 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 01:50.03 | linuxman410 | shingen do a cli install with openbox of squeeze |
| 01:50.08 | apineda | My root partition ran out of room. How can I donate from my /home partition to allow for more stuff in /lib etc. There's another problem in that I don't know which partition is for what I want (root, not boot). http://pastebin.com/AJvmWfvk |
| 01:50.45 | shingen | wols_: Understand completely, so far I'm only asking for places to find CDs :) |
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| 01:51.20 | DammitJim | shingen, you need 64 bit? |
| 01:51.31 | wols_ | apineda: I suggest gparted |
| 01:51.54 | wols_ | apineda: and for a desktop, you have too much partitions by far I'd say |
| 01:52.06 | DammitJim | shingen, did you look here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:52.21 | shingen | that looks good |
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| 01:53.10 | shingen | so how am I supposed to find all of this, short of crawling around in FTP subdirectories (or http similicra)? :) |
| 01:53.26 | DammitJim | shingen, what? |
| 01:53.37 | shingen | all the different cd paths... |
| 01:53.39 | DammitJim | LOL... I know it's hard to find, but I have that bookmarked |
| 01:53.41 | shingen | it's kinda maddening |
| 01:53.51 | DammitJim | it is |
| 01:53.52 | DammitJim | I agree |
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| 01:54.01 | DammitJim | but there is a reason for that madness, which I don't know |
| 01:54.05 | apineda | how do I reply in red? anyways. I can't install gparted cause of the out of space issue. Second, fdisk says sda1 is boot, and that shouldnt be larger than 1000k or something like that. df says sda1 is / |
| 01:54.15 | shingen | cuz I rather be just searching instead of asking... I'm that kinda of techie geek |
| 01:54.16 | DammitJim | anyways... can you use the firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso? |
| 01:54.23 | shingen | yup, grabbing that now |
| 01:54.27 | shingen | looks like what I wanted |
| 01:54.35 | DammitJim | most of the time I use the wrong keywords when searching |
| 01:54.41 | DammitJim | I hope that works for you |
| 01:54.44 | DammitJim | bookmark that page |
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| 01:54.49 | DammitJim | or something on that site |
| 01:55.18 | linuxman410 | do they have a non 64 firmware testing version |
| 01:55.36 | shingen | yup, go up one directory and go to i386 |
| 01:55.40 | wols_ | apineda: /boot shouldn't be larger than a few hundred MB. and the boot flag in fdisk is totally utterly irrelevant for linux |
| 01:55.53 | shingen | linuxman410: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:56.03 | wols_ | apineda: no one said anything about / |
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| 01:56.47 | wols_ | apineda: and the red reply is a function of your irc client. it does that when your nick "apineda" starts the line |
| 01:56.49 | linuxman410 | shingen thanks will try it out |
| 01:57.14 | wols_ | apineda: oh yes. gparted should be used as a live cd, especially in your case when you resize / |
| 01:57.32 | shingen | if pcbsd had a decent gnome WM implementation, I'd be running that right now... I like my *nix to be pure, but I'm not crazy enough to go back to slackware, or brave enough to go hurd |
| 01:57.50 | wols_ | as if hurd was a linux... |
| 01:57.50 | apineda | wols_: ok I thought I was missing a command. I have a debian netinstall disk. Can that work? |
| 01:58.04 | wols_ | *unix rather |
| 01:58.16 | wols_ | apineda: no, since the netinst has no gparted on board :( |
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| 01:59.18 | apineda | k so say I have gparted running (maybe I can just delte jdk6 in lib, its the fatty anyway) I should expand sda1? |
| 01:59.25 | deniz_ | jelly, are you the same person as jelly-home? |
| 01:59.35 | shingen | wols_: semantics :) |
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| 02:02.02 | deniz_ | if i have both testing and sid for deb-src, does it automatically use testing leaving with me to have to use the -t switch? |
| 02:02.08 | wols_ | deniz_: he is, but since it's 4am at his place he most probably is asleep too |
| 02:02.23 | deniz_ | wols_, thanks |
| 02:02.58 | wols_ | deniz_: see "apt-cache policy" |
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| 02:03.16 | deniz_ | so when you see this basically, jelly, my system is all good! :D i had lots of free space so when i reduced the logical volume it probably hit my free space mostly. all is back to normal |
| 02:03.54 | deniz_ | wols_, what am i supposed to decipher? |
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| 02:07.16 | wols_ | it shows you what repos are used and with which priority |
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| 02:07.54 | wols_ | which you can then change via pinning |
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| 02:10.26 | wols_ | deniz_: one cannot answer it |
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| 02:11.16 | deniz_ | wols_, how does this vary from person to person (actually asking)? |
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| 02:11.37 | wols_ | deniz_: read what I wrote above. which you like to ignore since you obviously think it too complicated |
| 02:12.01 | blackshirt | deniz_: i think that was APT::Preferences clue |
| 02:12.04 | wols_ | most cases the answer is "no", but only most |
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| 02:12.29 | deniz_ | wols_, i asked because that's how it works with backports |
| 02:12.39 | wols_ | but if you really were interested, you could have simply tried it with one apt-get source and would already know |
| 02:12.42 | deniz_ | ok i'm searching for pinning in the wiki |
| 02:13.03 | deniz_ | ya i suppose but i was thinking i' |
| 02:13.09 | wols_ | unless you pin, the answer is "no" |
| 02:13.09 | deniz_ | d get a yes or no |
| 02:13.21 | deniz_ | so does adding backports automatically do some pinning? |
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| 02:24.35 | deniz_ | wols_, i confirmed the no. so ya, i'll be back if i have any specific questions |
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| 02:29.57 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; its me again! ;) i had a script run at 0300 which finishes by sending user an email, which didnt send! so its only partial success. so i've removed exim4 with apt-get then installed it again, in the hope that it sets up new config files and will work properly again, but i'll see for definite at 0600 when the script runs again |
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| 02:33.46 | stew | boudiccas: remove and reinstall doens't change configuration. purge would if you actually purge the packages which own the connfiguration |
| 02:34.01 | stew | boudiccas: (which for example would probably NOT be the exim4 package, but the exim4-config package) |
| 02:34.23 | stew | boudiccas: also see /msg dpkg confnew |
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| 02:53.45 | boudiccas | stew; thanks for that, i'm hoping that the default settings will get things back to normal, i'll see at 0600 |
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| 03:26.07 | ham5 | sure would like to see metacity and compiz working togeather again :~( |
| 03:26.31 | mosno | ham5, when did they ever work together? they're completely separate afaik? |
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| 03:27.29 | ham5 | refering to bug #629207 :\ |
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| 03:33.57 | mosno | gnarface, so you can (or used to)use metacity wm with the compiz compositing manager? |
| 03:34.19 | mosno | ham5, i see |
| 03:35.01 | gnarface | mosno: compiz just manages the virtual desktops, you need something else to manage the windows |
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| 03:36.54 | mosno | gnarface, i thought compiz coupld manage windows, too |
| 03:37.05 | mosno | gnarface, i guess i never used it for more than a few hours... meh |
| 03:37.30 | mosno | far too much effort given the state of 3D drivers imho |
| 03:38.01 | gnarface | mosno: it can not, itself, but the debian package comes with a binary called "gtk-window-decorator" which provides the bare minimum. there are others but they have to have this basic compatibility |
| 03:38.17 | gnarface | mosno: recently i've seen it with kde |
| 03:38.19 | mosno | gnarface, i see |
| 03:38.45 | gnarface | mosno: in fact i think the current knoppix livecd that's the default - kde with compiz |
| 03:38.56 | gnarface | compiz-fusion, actually |
| 03:38.59 | gnarface | isn't it? |
| 03:39.17 | gnarface | or is that something else |
| 03:39.24 | mosno | shudders |
| 03:39.46 | mosno | gnarface, kde has its own compositing thingy, afaik |
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| 03:40.03 | mosno | gnarface, again, i don't waste time with it |
| 03:40.05 | gnarface | just looks&feels a lot like compiz? |
| 03:40.13 | gnarface | mosno: nor do i. i use e16 |
| 03:40.24 | mosno | gnarface, it is pretty well integrated into kwin afaik |
| 03:40.29 | mosno | gnarface, me neither i use dwm (.exe) |
| 03:40.34 | gnarface | mosno: (which, last i checked i think segfaulted whenever you tried to run it on compiz) |
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| 04:22.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: check roots mail, it may have bounced or not sent correctly |
| 04:24.25 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; no, its not there, last one there was dated 21/6/11. |
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| 04:25.23 | boudiccas | but i've purged exim4 to clear out the configs and then reinstalled with new config files so i'm waiting to see if that works at 0600 |
| 04:25.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: hm. then i'd suggest checking its logs again. |
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| 04:26.29 | number7 | Any sendmail gurus in the house? |
| 04:27.28 | boudiccas | number7; sendmail or exim4? |
| 04:27.49 | cafuego | number7: Enough to use postfix, does that count? |
| 04:28.48 | number7 | boudiccas: sendmail. I've got it setup to relay mail from a PHP mailer scriptand send it to a Google apps distribution list. |
| 04:29.11 | number7 | Jun 23 04:21:44 propguardmarine sendmail[9317]: p5N4LiMV009317: to=sales@propguardmarine.net, ctladdr=www-data (33/33), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30105, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (p5N4LiuU009320 Message accepted for delivery) |
| 04:29.15 | number7 | Jun 23 04:21:44 propguardmarine sm-mta[9334]: STARTTLS=client, relay=aspmx.l.google.com., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=OK, cipher=RC4-SHA, bits=128/128 |
| 04:29.19 | number7 | Jun 23 04:21:46 propguardmarine sm-mta[9334]: p5N4LiuU009320: to=<sales@propguardmarine.net>, ctladdr=<www-data@propguardmarine.com> (33/33), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri=120335, relay=aspmx.l.google.com. [74.125.65.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK 1308802906 g63si6768193yhn.119) |
| 04:29.23 | cafuego | !paste |
| 04:29.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 04:29.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell number7 about pastebin |
| 04:29.43 | number7 | Here is the thing, it works for everything but Yahoo. The messages say they have been accepted for delivery but seemingly fall into limbo. |
| 04:30.11 | cafuego | number7: If the yahoo servers say they were accepted, then the problem is at their end, not yours. |
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| 04:38.13 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; system mail si now being sent and read okay, so purging and reinstalling seems to have worked. drastic but it worked out okay |
| 04:38.37 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; thanks for your help and guidance in it all |
| 04:38.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: np. glad its working for you |
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| 04:39.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: did you set up etckeeper before? |
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| 04:39.32 | boudiccas | yes |
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| 04:39.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | you should check the diff and see what changed. might be interseting to see (for your referenc) |
| 04:39.58 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; as soon as you told me about it i set it up |
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| 04:50.10 | citizen6661 | hello |
| 04:50.15 | citizen6661 | i need some help |
| 04:50.56 | citizen6661 | i am on debian squeeze no interface and want to give write right to everyone on the /var/www folder how i may do this ? |
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| 04:52.34 | streuner_ | citizen6661: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 04:53.47 | citizen6661 | hmm how i do this |
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| 04:55.37 | ham5 | chmod og+wr /var/www ? |
| 04:56.26 | citizen6661 | ham5: thank :) perfect |
| 04:56.42 | citizen6661 | no need of security on this serv only for test in local |
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| 05:18.15 | ham5 | nope... #debian |
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| 05:32.02 | newbie|4 | hello guys, I would like to know how can I update the program vesion of the Software center_ |
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| 05:34.13 | blackshirt | newbi|4: what you mean ? |
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| 05:35.06 | boudiccas | newbie|4; what software centre? |
| 05:35.58 | tensorpudding | newbie|4: why did you ask that question in #ubuntu and here |
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| 05:36.25 | newbie|4 | so anybody can answer |
| 05:36.37 | newbie|4 | boudiccas: what do you mean what software center? |
| 05:36.38 | tensorpudding | newbie|4: you should ask it only in the channel of the distro you actually use |
| 05:36.45 | newbie|4 | I use debian |
| 05:36.46 | ham5 | newbie noob |
| 05:37.16 | newbie|4 | ok I left ubuntu |
| 05:37.18 | boudiccas | newbie|4; exactly what i said, what software centre? |
| 05:37.20 | tensorpudding | newbie|4: the answer is the same |
| 05:37.33 | tensorpudding | newbie|4: you use the version that comes in the repos |
| 05:37.45 | newbie|4 | yeah but thats not the version that works for me |
| 05:37.47 | tensorpudding | if you want a newer one, use testing |
| 05:37.58 | ham5 | debian works. |
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| 05:38.13 | newbie|4 | mhh |
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| 05:38.29 | newbie|4 | so there's not an command that does that? |
| 05:38.49 | sumrak | Application manager apparently |
| 05:38.51 | tensorpudding | you should figure out if upstream has a newer version of the software center first, then figure out who does packaging for it |
| 05:39.34 | tensorpudding | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/software-center.html |
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| 05:39.36 | newbie|4 | how can I do that |
| 05:40.24 | tensorpudding | the ubuntu version is a lot newer |
| 05:40.29 | tensorpudding | i don't know the specifics |
| 05:40.52 | tensorpudding | you might need to port the newer version to have it work |
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| 05:41.22 | newbie|4 | ok especifically I need the newer version of empathy |
| 05:41.33 | tensorpudding | uh |
| 05:41.35 | newbie|4 | because I don't know why I can't connect to my msn account |
| 05:41.44 | tensorpudding | so your problem isn't that you want a new version of the software center |
| 05:41.50 | newbie|4 | it just let you choose between 3 networks |
| 05:41.53 | tensorpudding | the software center is just a program that installs programs |
| 05:42.01 | newbie|4 | yeah |
| 05:42.05 | ham5 | !kill troll |
| 05:42.05 | dpkg | chops troll's head off with a large trout |
| 05:42.07 | newbie|4 | I want it to have a newver version |
| 05:42.55 | tensorpudding | what version are you running |
| 05:43.10 | ham5 | just get the msn plugin for your kvirc newbie |
| 05:43.21 | tensorpudding | stable, testing and unstable all use 2.30.x |
| 05:43.26 | newbie|4 | for kvirc? |
| 05:43.30 | newbie|4 | hell no |
| 05:43.32 | tensorpudding | i think, but i'm not sure, that 3.x is for GNOME 3 |
| 05:43.47 | newbie|4 | mhh |
| 05:43.55 | newbie|4 | I have gnome in my debian |
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| 05:44.17 | newbie|4 | I have 2.30.3 |
| 05:44.20 | tensorpudding | yeah |
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| 05:44.25 | tensorpudding | gnome 3 won't be released until wheezy |
| 05:44.42 | newbie|4 | I had msn in ubuntu |
| 05:44.42 | tensorpudding | it hasn't been integrated into the development versions fully |
| 05:45.22 | tensorpudding | ah |
| 05:45.25 | tensorpudding | ubuntu uses 2.34 |
| 05:45.28 | tensorpudding | yeah |
| 05:45.37 | newbie|4 | so I can't install it even though I don't have that gnome version? |
| 05:45.52 | newbie|4 | even if its unstabel? |
| 05:46.13 | tensorpudding | it looks to me, that gnome is skipping right to 3.1 |
| 05:46.19 | tensorpudding | err, that debian is |
| 05:46.27 | tensorpudding | they're not going to package 2.34 |
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| 05:47.07 | newbie|4 | ok, so can I install the version that ubuntu uses? |
| 05:47.24 | tensorpudding | you can't, really |
| 05:47.28 | tensorpudding | i mean, you can get the source |
| 05:47.34 | tensorpudding | or even the ubuntu source package |
| 05:47.40 | citizen6661 | you can |
| 05:47.43 | tensorpudding | but you'll have to edit it to work on debian |
| 05:47.49 | citizen6661 | simply add the ubuntu repo |
| 05:48.02 | tensorpudding | adding the ubuntu repo is a good way to break things |
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| 05:48.33 | citizen6661 | yup more risk butworked fine when i tried it |
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| 05:49.04 | tensorpudding | it'll provide newer versions of a lot of things, but with slight differences that can lead to breakage and unmet dependencies |
| 05:49.37 | citizen6661 | what i do i add the repo aptitude update patitude install gnome3 remove the repo |
| 05:49.47 | citizen6661 | aptitude update |
| 05:49.59 | tensorpudding | that requires gnome 3 |
| 05:50.09 | tensorpudding | ubuntu doesn't have gnome 3 yet |
| 05:50.11 | citizen6661 | hu |
| 05:50.17 | citizen6661 | 2.34 |
| 05:50.17 | tensorpudding | they have a ppa for it |
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| 05:50.41 | tensorpudding | and ubuntu people don't use it because it causes unity to break |
| 05:50.51 | newbie|4 | unity sux |
| 05:51.16 | citizen6661 | ANARCHIE!! |
| 05:51.30 | tensorpudding | your best bet is to get the ubuntu source package and try to adapt it to debian, and install it with dpkg |
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| 05:52.01 | tensorpudding | you won't get updates though |
| 05:52.15 | citizen6661 | for me i suggest you to install a minimal debian ( without aby GUI ) then install openbox+gnome_panel |
| 05:52.35 | citizen6661 | but that's me |
| 05:53.00 | newbie|4 | no thanks |
| 05:53.04 | newbie|4 | thats too complicated |
| 05:53.22 | citizen6661 | intermediate |
| 05:53.25 | citizen6661 | i think |
| 05:53.55 | citizen6661 | once gnome_panel installed it look like gnome |
| 05:54.04 | citizen6661 | it work like it |
| 05:54.15 | citizen6661 | but without any crap |
| 05:54.19 | newbie|4 | whatever but I don't think it worth it |
| 05:54.21 | newbie|4 | for all that effort |
| 05:54.36 | citizen6661 | it take less ressource |
| 05:54.41 | citizen6661 | on the memory |
| 05:54.49 | citizen6661 | i got 100 mb freed |
| 05:54.54 | citizen6661 | than usual gnome |
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| 05:55.20 | citizen6661 | nywy good luck |
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| 05:56.37 | newbie|4 | I just hope Debian is more stable that ubuntu |
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| 05:56.53 | newbie|4 | ubuntu restarted sometimes without saying anything |
| 05:57.19 | SpeedyG | you might as well question your hardware then... |
| 05:57.54 | newbie|4 | I don't think that has to do with it |
| 05:58.50 | SpeedyG | is there anything in the logs why it 'suddenly' restarts ? |
| 05:59.56 | newbie|4 | I don't know how to look to the logs |
| 06:00.04 | newbie|4 | so idk |
| 06:00.20 | SpeedyG | look at the files in /var/log |
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| 06:01.25 | newbie|4 | there are many files there |
| 06:01.34 | newbie|4 | is there any specific one I should look? |
| 06:01.51 | SpeedyG | syslog might be a good start ;) |
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| 06:02.20 | newbie|4 | are you saying that if I don't find the error there I should look the other log files? |
| 06:02.56 | SpeedyG | well, if you don't know what those logfiles are for, it might be good to start taking a look at all of them and find out what they're for |
| 06:03.17 | SpeedyG | just so that in case of issues, you know where to look |
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| 06:07.16 | newbie|4 | I imagine it would say something like segmentation fault or some other thing hard to understand |
| 06:07.17 | newbie|4 | lol |
| 06:07.21 | newbie|4 | and very meaningless |
| 06:07.41 | newbie|4 | but I will look next time |
| 06:07.42 | newbie|4 | thanks |
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| 06:15.23 | L0C41H05T | hi for a virtual NIC can i change its MAC address? |
| 06:15.52 | L0C41H05T | eth0:1 |
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| 06:40.08 | newbie|4 | hey guys how can I know what version of linux Im running? |
| 06:40.12 | newbie|4 | any coomand? |
| 06:40.15 | newbie|4 | *command? |
| 06:40.18 | mosno2 | newbie|4, uname |
| 06:40.32 | newbie|4 | output: Linux |
| 06:40.58 | mosno2 | newbie|4, info coreutils uname |
| 06:40.59 | teneightypea | lol |
| 06:41.07 | newbie|4 | is there any command that says for example Linux debian version : |
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| 06:41.33 | mosno2 | newbie|4, don't just run commands mentioned by strangers without reading the documentation |
| 06:41.34 | ectospasm | newbie|4: uname -a, lsb_release -a |
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| 06:42.13 | ompaul | newbie|4: ectospasm has it in two both of those are useful |
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| 06:42.41 | newbie|4 | thanks |
| 06:43.03 | ectospasm | there are other ways, too, but those are the main to I use |
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| 06:43.16 | ectospasm | lsb_release may not work on all distros |
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| 06:43.41 | ompaul | newbie|4: and to do the same two on the one line if you use a semicolon you will both commands will run one after the other uname -a; lsb_release -a |
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| 06:44.03 | newbie|4 | nice |
| 06:44.04 | newbie|4 | thanks |
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| 06:44.16 | codekick | Hi! can anybody help o_O |
| 06:44.19 | taleon | Hi. :-) |
| 06:44.28 | newbie|4 | I need to learn more about the power of the Terminal |
| 06:44.29 | newbie|4 | lol |
| 06:44.59 | jmarsden | codekick: People can only help you if you ask your real question... |
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| 06:45.32 | wols_ | !version |
| 06:45.32 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 06:45.34 | ectospasm | !tell codekick about ask |
| 06:45.55 | codekick | i installed b43xx driver on in debian lenny but wifi still not work |
| 06:46.06 | ompaul | it is not the terminal that gives power, it is the use of the various shells in terminals which are programming languages at some level more or less - your shell is most likely bash to check do "env | grep bin" |
| 06:46.12 | wols_ | you need the b43 firmware too |
| 06:46.32 | newbie|4 | !terminal help |
| 06:46.43 | newbie|4 | !terminal commands |
| 06:46.45 | newbie|4 | :( |
| 06:46.52 | codekick | b43 installer download it |
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| 06:47.00 | codekick | or not? |
| 06:47.07 | ompaul | !tell newbie|4 about cli |
| 06:47.15 | ompaul | newbie|4: check the message from dpkg |
| 06:47.49 | jmarsden | newbie|4: If you want a general intro to Linux, try http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html |
| 06:47.52 | ompaul | newbie|4: where you see <foo> and you want to find out about foo from dpkg do /msg dpkg foo |
| 06:48.19 | codekick | My dMesg output : |
| 06:48.19 | codekick | [ 1805.487191] input: b43-phy0 as /class/input/input12 |
| 06:48.19 | codekick | [ 1805.668179] b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 410.2160 (2007-05-26 15:32:10) |
| 06:48.19 | codekick | [ 1806.541328] Registered led device: b43-phy0::tx |
| 06:48.19 | codekick | [ 1806.541347] Registered led device: b43-phy0::rx |
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| 06:48.23 | newbie|4 | [cli] Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around. |
| 06:48.27 | newbie|4 | lol |
| 06:48.39 | taleon | true |
| 06:48.47 | tensorpudding | tldp pages are a nice source of outdated information |
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| 06:49.19 | newbie|4 | oh so thats like a linux manual? |
| 06:49.19 | taleon | The only reason for X11 is to place many terminals one the screen. ;-) |
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| 06:49.58 | wols_ | codekick: and iconfig says what? |
| 06:50.13 | wols_ | codekick: and why do you run lenny? |
| 06:50.18 | tensorpudding | most of it is still relevant, but some of it is really misleading |
| 06:50.37 | codekick | yes |
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| 06:51.17 | newbie|4 | I heard that hotmail servers are running on debian |
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| 06:51.32 | newbie|4 | I don't know if this is tru, but if it is it would be hilarious |
| 06:51.54 | ompaul | newbie|4: there are a lot of them - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html that is slightly better than the intro-linux link however first read the one that dpkg sent you |
| 06:52.09 | codekick | My ifconfig output http://paste.debian.net/120718/ |
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| 06:52.42 | ompaul | newbie|4: they used to run freebsd before MS bought them then they had to eat their own dog food |
| 06:52.59 | newbie|4 | looks like I'll be reading for about 4 months |
| 06:53.10 | ompaul | newbie|4: if you want to chat about stuff in general please use #debian-offtopic |
| 06:53.27 | newbie|4 | ok |
| 06:53.32 | newbie|4 | just one question: |
| 06:53.45 | newbie|4 | I noticed that ifconfig is not working on debian |
| 06:53.48 | newbie|4 | is this normal? |
| 06:53.48 | ompaul | newbie|4: it ain't that bad you learn by solving problems - please don't random stuff you see on the web, stick the the debian.org pages or ask on irc - so much rubbish out there |
| 06:54.10 | codekick | so, any ideas? |
| 06:54.11 | ompaul | it is working you just don't know the incantation try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:54.35 | ompaul | right folks this is my lonnnnng day have a good one |
| 06:55.06 | newbie|4 | incantation? |
| 06:55.16 | newbie|4 | why didn't they do it simpler :( |
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| 07:04.40 | wols_ | codekick: try iwconfig then (for ifconfig you'd have to use ifconfig -a) |
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| 07:05.52 | codekick | it sees Must work fine but i try to find wlan by iwlist scan and see "wlan0 no results" |
| 07:07.09 | codekick | and i have a strange interface wMaster0 :) |
| 07:08.20 | wols_ | I asked why you still run lenny but didn't get an answer |
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| 07:08.32 | olol85 | any mutt guru around here? |
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| 07:08.52 | olol85 | i made a bind to execute fetchmail |
| 07:09.07 | olol85 | how can i get rid of "press any key to continue" message |
| 07:09.11 | olol85 | ? |
| 07:09.24 | codekick | i don't have another version yet |
| 07:09.35 | streuner_ | olol85: #mutt 124 http://WIKI.mutt.org/ | read "MuttChannel" guidelines there! | latest mutt: 1.5.21 | paste to http://paste.lisp.org/new/mutt | We mourn the death of our fellow developer Rocco Rutte |
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| 07:10.15 | olol85 | thx streuner_ |
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| 07:23.45 | ProfOak_ | I'm getting ready to install wireless drivers as instructed by http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCI_Devices on Debian Squeeze Amd64. My wireless card is AR5008, but for squeeze it says to use a different driver. Which one should I use? |
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| 07:26.22 | ProfOak_ | here: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci#Squeeze I'm not sure which one to use. |
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| 07:29.41 | streuner_ | ProfOak_: sounds like you need ath5k, not sure. |
| 07:30.21 | ProfOak_ | streuner_: It's a wireless N adapter |
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| 07:30.27 | ProfOak_ | If that makes any difference |
| 07:30.48 | streuner_ | ProfOak_: check out http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k |
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| 07:31.35 | streuner_ | ProfOak_: there is an entry in wiki.debian.org too, ath5k is part of the kernel itself |
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| 07:32.32 | streuner_ | ProfOak_: /msg dpkg ath5k |
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| 07:33.14 | ProfOak_ | streuner_It didn't send me anything. |
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| 07:35.35 | streuner_ | ProfOak_: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k - hm, its ath9k |
| 07:35.56 | streuner_ | ProfOak_: PCI: 168C:0023 Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter |
| 07:35.59 | ProfOak_ | streuner_: Ok thanks. I'm actually already going through the wiki on 9k. |
| 07:36.00 | streuner_ | PCI: 168C:0024 Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter |
| 07:36.09 | streuner_ | ok |
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| 07:40.34 | honu | does anyone have any recommendations on a deployment tool, to develop a website in a subdomain and deploy changes to a main domain in production? |
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| 07:43.12 | gnarface | man those guys in ##hardware are a bunch of idiots |
| 07:45.01 | streuner_ | lol |
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| 07:47.14 | gnarface | ask question about ram compatibility between a 50$ or 90$ purchasing choice, be told the only sane option is to spend hundreds on an entirely new rig just so you can save 10$ on ram |
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| 08:18.18 | alnr | is there a dns lookup utility like nslookup/dig/host that does not require installing bind? |
| 08:18.31 | Bushmills | yes. fig |
| 08:18.33 | Bushmills | dig |
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| 08:21.00 | alnr | thats just it, dnsutils wants to install bind9 |
| 08:21.04 | wols_ | nslookup is there by default, and dig doesn't need bind either |
| 08:21.12 | Bushmills | no, it doesn't |
| 08:21.18 | alnr | oh |
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| 08:31.25 | Jeeves_ | Hi |
| 08:31.59 | Jeeves_ | I'm looking for someone with a packaging cluebat |
| 08:32.21 | Jeeves_ | Who can gently hit me with it :) |
| 08:32.35 | wols_ | !mentors |
| 08:32.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 08:32.53 | Jeeves_ | Coolio, thanks |
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| 08:40.21 | AdvoWork | how would i get the line that a certain string was mentioned on in a certain log file? |
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| 08:43.29 | wols_ | AdvoWork: grep <string> <logfile> ? |
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| 08:49.19 | rdz | hi all. how can i now what svn revision of apache2 is in current debian stable? |
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| 08:50.21 | valdyn_ | judd: versions apache2 |
| 08:50.21 | judd | Package apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; squeeze: 2.2.16-6; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.2.19-1; wheezy: 2.2.19-1 |
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| 08:50.26 | baremetal | has anyone here used mondorescue in 2011? how does it fare compared to clonezilla? I intend to perform an online (live) cloning which I believe it is not possible with clonezilla |
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| 08:52.58 | mcgreg | I've got a freshly installed debian (sid) on my asus eeepc. I've added a swap partition now and added it to /etc/fstab. so far it gets mounted in the boot process just fine. hibernating works (going down) but the system boot "normally" as if there is no hibernate-state - it simply ignores it |
| 08:53.03 | mcgreg | anything I can do about it? |
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| 08:57.23 | LoneTech | mcgreg: you may want to try checking the resume= paramater in your bootloader (probably grub), installing uswsusp, or regenerating the initrd |
| 08:57.34 | wols_ | !uswsusp |
| 08:57.34 | dpkg | Squeeze users: remove the uswsusp package and use pm-hibernate/pm-suspend from the pm-utils package instead. In lenny, uswsusp was a package for userspace software <suspend>, including the s2ram and s2disk programs. Use of <initramfs> is required. Not available for Squeeze due to Debian bugs #498917, #503337, #521147, #528483. http://suspend.sf.net/ |
| 08:57.47 | LoneTech | oh |
| 08:57.50 | mcgreg | ok, thank you |
| 08:57.52 | LoneTech | thanks, wols_ |
| 08:58.07 | rsynproblems | Hi, I need to backup with RSYNC but I am a bit confuse. Can you help me please? At the moment I create this "rsync --delete -azrvv /source /destination" |
| 08:58.19 | wols_ | mcgreg: swap is big enough? any messages on resume? they usually are there just scroll away too fast to read |
| 08:58.31 | valdyn_ | rsynproblems: and what is the problem? |
| 08:59.10 | LoneTech | rsynproblems: for backups, sometimes --delete-after is advisable |
| 08:59.12 | mcgreg | wols_: swap is > than real ram and no messages at all at boot time. activating swap -> done and nothing more |
| 08:59.56 | wols_ | mcgreg: recreated the initrd since setting it up as LoneTech said? |
| 09:00.04 | mcgreg | not yet |
| 09:00.12 | valdyn_ | mcgreg: the support packages like pm-utils should automatically regenerate your initrd accordingly |
| 09:00.27 | rsynproblems | my goal is to backup the source but if the source has less file then rsynk should delete the same file that have been removed into source |
| 09:00.59 | daniel-s | on debian some applications, eg. web browser will be many versions behind the upstream, where the later versions have some kind of bug or security fix |
| 09:01.03 | ayambit | I want to enable console redirection from a box in such a way that I can choose entry from grub menu. I've added console=ttyS0,19200 to grub.cfg, but redirection is only taking place after grub configuration menu is shown. |
| 09:01.16 | valdyn_ | daniel-s: so? |
| 09:01.22 | wols_ | daniel-s: security fixes are backported |
| 09:01.23 | ayambit | But I want to be able to choose which kernel to boot. |
| 09:01.34 | daniel-s | does the version of Iceweasel that comes with squeeze have security holes that have been fixed in later versions of firefox? |
| 09:01.36 | mcgreg | wols_: checked pm-utils -> pm-utils is already the newest version |
| 09:01.42 | rsynproblems | In more I'd like to keep a log about RSYNC at least for the last 20 days. how can I do? |
| 09:02.01 | valdyn_ | daniel-s: maybe |
| 09:02.05 | mcgreg | doing update-initramfs -u now |
| 09:02.23 | valdyn_ | daniel-s: this is hard to say, compare debian security releases to firefox changelogs |
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| 09:03.25 | wols_ | daniel-s: see entries like http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2228 |
| 09:03.52 | mcgreg | wols_: nothing changed |
| 09:04.01 | rsynproblems | In more I'd like to keep a log about RSYNC activity for xx days. how can I do? Does Rsync create a report? |
| 09:04.31 | valdyn_ | daniel-s: at any time upstream firefox might also have bugs that never existed in older versions, this is even harder to verify |
| 09:05.12 | LoneTech | rsynproblems: rsync itself doesn't, are you sure you don't want to try a frontend like backintime, dirvish, duplicity etc? "apt-cache search rsync backup" yields quite a few. |
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| 09:05.21 | valdyn_ | rsynproblems: yes it does, cant you see that report when running it? |
| 09:05.45 | LoneTech | though you can use --log-file to get something |
| 09:07.27 | valdyn_ | rsynproblems: using rsync directly for backups seems stupid to me btw, theres alot of backup tools, you dont need to roll your own |
| 09:07.58 | rsynproblems | LoneTech, I used "Luckybackup", but I had big problems. Now I want be me to choose how to treat my backups |
| 09:08.26 | LoneTech | ok |
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| 09:10.55 | rsynproblems | LoneTech, at this point I'll use std to save all rsync activity and append in. At the moment I cant figure me how to limitate the log to xx days, but this is a very small problem. Thank you |
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| 09:11.54 | LoneTech | other tools can do that sort of thing, like logrotate. |
| 09:13.39 | mcgreg | so you've got any other ideas why it fails? I have pm-utils installs (they were installed from the beginning) - I've done a update-initramfs - I see no obvious difference btween my desktop and my netbook within grub2 - what else could I do? |
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| 09:15.04 | firebird_ | hi |
| 09:15.27 | firebird_ | an idea libgl1-mesa-glx (7.10.3-3) casse libgl1-nvidia-alternatives (<= 275.09.07-1) et est cassé à cause de l'échec de « postinst ». ? |
| 09:15.31 | rsynproblems | LoneTech, a question. I choosed to use Rsync for the ability to remove old destination file, but if I use "cp" also for mounted smbfs? Do you think tah will work? |
| 09:15.41 | firebird_ | I can't install libgl1-nvidia-alternatives |
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| 09:17.02 | Leoneof | hi, how to use gnome3 ? |
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| 09:18.07 | firebird_ | Leoneof: using experimental |
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| 09:19.59 | Leoneof | oh ok |
| 09:20.09 | Leoneof | it is worth to update to gnome 3? |
| 09:20.36 | firebird_ | dunno :) |
| 09:20.43 | Leoneof | D: |
| 09:20.46 | firebird_ | maybe try it with a live cd :) |
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| 09:27.47 | wols_ | !gnome3 |
| 09:27.47 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 09:28.18 | wols_ | firebird_: you run sid you deal with the breakage |
| 09:28.44 | wols_ | firebird_: suggested fix was to downgrade the drivers |
| 09:29.10 | firebird_ | wols_: to 270 ? |
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| 09:31.58 | Bushmills | mcgreg: same here. i merely suspend, for now. |
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| 09:36.01 | mcgreg | Bushmills: my theory is: either the software doesnt check properly for the resume image or the resume image either isnt there or not complete |
| 09:36.10 | mcgreg | no idea about the reasons though |
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| 09:36.49 | wols_ | hmm how would one check if the resume image has been written to the swap partition? must be doable somehow? |
| 09:39.25 | Bushmills | i suppose you could open an editor, and repeat copying many times some magic line, which you'd search for on swap partition after hibernate, and boot from system which won't use the swap partition. |
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| 10:01.37 | vizzy | hi, i just updated my lenny and mentioned that bluetooth is now enabled at startup where i needed to press the bt enable button befor ein my system using a t42 thinkpad laptop. also my bt mouse i got to work before has gone! i did a backup of /etc before upgrading, but there are no differences regarding bluetooth, so... why the f.... or what has changed to bluetooth i dont know? aptitude wanted me to install bluez too, and i saif yes here and do |
| 10:01.37 | vizzy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:03.22 | vizzy | so, if nothing changed.... why isnt it working anymore after updating something else and reboot? argh! |
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| 10:05.26 | firebird_ | ahh it works ! |
| 10:05.37 | vizzy | its very annoying that i had bt running before installing the so called required package bluez and then everything breaks down and has no visible changes in /etc ..... f.... |
| 10:06.13 | firebird_ | downgraded to mesa 7.10.2-3 |
| 10:07.35 | vizzy | downgrade is mostly a good idea, most new stuff may be a pain in the ass :))) |
| 10:10.15 | wols_ | vizzy: how did you access BT devices in lenny without bluez? |
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| 10:10.53 | vizzy | wols_, erm, i configured my bt config somehow and then the mouse was running without the need for buggy kdebluetooth and so on |
| 10:10.55 | kjelle | hello, does anyone know if there are any old mirrors to fetch older (e.g. gcc-4.1-mipsel-linux-gnu_4.1.1-21_i386.deb) debian pacakges of a spesific version? |
| 10:11.00 | vizzy | it was just working i would say |
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| 10:11.15 | wols_ | vizzy: I said "bluez". there is no other way than that to use BT devices in linux |
| 10:11.29 | petemc | kjelle: try http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 10:11.34 | wols_ | well, there is some closed source stack but ovbiously not in debian |
| 10:11.41 | vizzy | wols_, im speaking of the package.... bluez was NOT installed before, only bluetooth package |
| 10:12.05 | vizzy | and now, it sgone, arg, how i hate it. |
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| 10:12.33 | vizzy | i will never upgrade! staying legacy but stable and productive, if i get bt productive again some |
| 10:13.14 | vizzy | i dont know why there are 2 packages, blutooth and bluez, its weird |
| 10:13.26 | vizzy | and confusing |
| 10:13.27 | wols_ | vizzy: you'd need to check what your praised "bluetooth" package depended on... |
| 10:14.07 | vizzy | wols_, i gues it depends on bluez, because if i want to remove bliez again, it want me to remove bluetooth too, muahahahahaha |
| 10:14.15 | vizzy | crazy weird automagism |
| 10:14.24 | wols_ | vizzy: and the same thing was true for lenny |
| 10:14.31 | vizzy | not for me :P |
| 10:14.45 | vizzy | as i said, bluez was NOT installed. |
| 10:14.51 | wols_ | you are wrong: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bluetooth |
| 10:14.54 | kjelle | petemc: okey, thanks. ill check it out |
| 10:15.03 | wols_ | vizzy: not the dependency |
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| 10:15.31 | vizzy | wols_, it was NOT installed, but if you think so, ok.... then it was installed and im too just stupid to read a list |
| 10:15.59 | vizzy | however, bt is running, the lamp is on, not like before, and is not working |
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| 10:16.21 | vizzy | and all that without changes to the configs, coool, must be a buggy binary then |
| 10:16.34 | wols_ | vizzy: dependencies are mandatory. no way around them if you want to use apt.none. especially since "bluetooth" has no single binary in there. if you are too stupid to read a list, only yourself can answer |
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| 10:16.52 | boudiccas | vizzy; everytime you say 'bt' i think of British Telecom! |
| 10:17.01 | wols_ | vizzy: check rfkill if it's on. check if you have a pan0 network interface. check your kernel outputs |
| 10:17.07 | vizzy | boudiccas, same shit *g |
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| 10:17.26 | vizzy | i disabled all bt network stuff, so no pan0 |
| 10:18.11 | vizzy | i have on rfkill command / programm here |
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| 10:19.20 | wols_ | !tell vizzy about installit |
| 10:19.43 | wols_ | vizzy: also check if your BT device is from broadcom, it might need non-free firmware |
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| 10:20.07 | vizzy | i didnt need that before |
| 10:20.26 | vizzy | but yes, some bt firmware was updated iirc |
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| 10:20.45 | wols_ | unless you request it, it will not be updated. and check |
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| 10:21.04 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bluez-firmware |
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| 10:22.30 | vizzy | apt-cache search rfkill : no result |
| 10:22.54 | vizzy | now installing new bluez fw for bc from squeeze into lenny... hmmm |
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| 10:23.15 | Bushmills | ,versions rfkill |
| 10:23.15 | judd | Package rfkill on i386 -- sid: 0.4-1; squeeze: 0.4-1; wheezy: 0.4-1 |
| 10:23.16 | wols_ | !,versions rfkill |
| 10:23.41 | boudiccas | vizzy; sounds like a recipe for disaster, i hope you've got good backups? |
| 10:23.43 | vizzy | no rfkill for lenny then? how nice |
| 10:23.44 | wols_ | vizzy: dpkg -l bluez |
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| 10:24.36 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 10:24.37 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 10:24.41 | wols_ | vizzy: if you still run lenny, why did you suddenly install bluez? |
| 10:24.50 | vizzy | wtf? |
| 10:24.55 | vizzy | i was forced by aptitude! |
| 10:25.02 | vizzy | i dont wanted it |
| 10:25.18 | wols_ | vizzy: no you weren't. there is no "bluez" package in lenny. NONE. there is one in backports but they never install by themselves |
| 10:25.20 | vizzy | all was fine before upgrade, and i also mentioned already hat no configs have changed |
| 10:25.25 | wols_ | ,versions bluez |
| 10:25.27 | judd | Package bluez on i386 -- lenny-backports: 4.66-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-3; sid: 4.94-2; wheezy: 4.94-2 |
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| 10:25.37 | Bushmills | you upgraded to what? |
| 10:25.50 | wols_ | see? no bluez. so did you do a botched upgrade to squeeze maybe? have "stable" in your sources.list? |
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| 10:26.40 | vizzy | yes im using backports |
| 10:27.03 | wols_ | vizzy: as I said: backports don't install themselves. nothing forced you there. again: dpkg -l bluez |
| 10:27.04 | vizzy | no sqeueeze! i use kde3 and i dont have time to mess around with kde4 or learn a new windowmanager |
| 10:27.22 | vizzy | ii bluez 4.66-3~bpo50+1 Bluetooth tools and daemons |
| 10:27.50 | Bushmills | well, purge it if you don't need it |
| 10:28.08 | vizzy | purge what? bluez? it want to remove bluetooth too |
| 10:28.14 | MrFrood | !tell vizzy about trinity |
| 10:28.30 | vizzy | but that seems the only way, remove everything and then reinstall and repair from a backup from /etc |
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| 10:29.33 | vizzy | MrFrood, but its not only kde, its new php 5.3 im not ready for and have a dev env here with 5.2 and 5.3 etc pp, and i dont trust upgrades :) |
| 10:29.40 | Bushmills | and turn off autoinstalling suggestions in aptitude |
| 10:29.42 | vchrizz | what could i check else than lspci why a pci-nic doesnt show up? in lspci i just see the onboard nic |
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| 10:30.08 | wols_ | vchrizz: and the other NIC is which? maybe the NIC needs non-free firmware? |
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| 10:30.19 | vchrizz | wols_: both intel |
| 10:30.27 | vizzy | Bushmills, how do i do that? hack a hidden configfile? |
| 10:31.00 | Bushmills | or interactively, through menu |
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| 10:31.04 | vchrizz | $ lspci | grep Eth |
| 10:31.04 | vchrizz | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 10:31.07 | vchrizz | 04:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) |
| 10:31.11 | wols_ | vchrizz: if it's not in lspci it does not exist in hardware's pci config space. only thing you can check there is BIOS. in strange cases use another PCI slot orsuch |
| 10:31.16 | vchrizz | those are both the onboard nic |
| 10:31.26 | vizzy | i never saw a menu in aptitude :) only using it as a cli tool |
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| 10:31.38 | wols_ | vizzy: "aptitude" and you get one |
| 10:31.40 | Bushmills | then edit the config file |
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| 10:31.58 | wols_ | vchrizz: you sure this is only one NIC? |
| 10:32.01 | vizzy | oh.... i didnt know there is a gui..... |
| 10:32.20 | vchrizz | wols_: i tried another pci slot already, no change .. but when i hook up a cable it has link and the other side says link up |
| 10:32.25 | Bushmills | it's more a tui than a gui |
| 10:32.36 | wols_ | vchrizz: the 2nd one looks like a pci card |
| 10:32.36 | MrFrood | vizzy: as much as I hate it (and others here will testify to my love of the outdated) progress happens |
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| 10:33.16 | kripz | how can i start /usr/bin/X as a local user when my computer starts? |
| 10:33.17 | vchrizz | in sum ive got three interfaces .. onboard nic with two ports and a pci card |
| 10:33.38 | wols_ | MrFrood: in ~9 months it's all over anyways. either he upgrades or he has a non-supported, increasingly exploit ridden box. well, considering php 5.2 it's probably already that that state :) |
| 10:33.52 | Bushmills | kripz: password- and login free after boot? |
| 10:34.04 | kripz | Bushmills, yes |
| 10:34.12 | Prolac | hello, does anybody knows how can I change system language in debian 6? |
| 10:34.23 | Bushmills | easiest is probably through an autologin display manager |
| 10:34.36 | wols_ | !tell Prolac about locales |
| 10:34.49 | Bushmills | gdm autologin, for example |
| 10:34.50 | kripz | Bushmills, i want to avoid that |
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| 10:35.13 | wols_ | kripz: why? |
| 10:35.15 | MrFrood | goes off to play with ports 70 & 79 :) |
| 10:35.16 | vchrizz | on another host (with same mainboard): |
| 10:35.19 | vchrizz | $ lspci | grep Eth |
| 10:35.19 | vchrizz | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 10:35.22 | vchrizz | 05:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) |
| 10:35.28 | kripz | wols_, less requirements, i dont have a desktop |
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| 10:35.47 | wols_ | kripz: DMs can be very very light. not every DM is gdm or kdm |
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| 10:36.13 | kripz | wols_, but i dont want any at all, surely i can use bash_profile or something |
| 10:36.40 | wols_ | kripz: no you cannot use that. bash only gets run when you already logged in with password. you can probably write a rc.local script |
| 10:36.57 | wols_ | or start it via inittab |
| 10:37.05 | MrFrood | SLiM is a nice log-in manager if you don't need remote graphical log-in capabilities |
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| 10:37.29 | MrFrood | very easy to tweak too :) |
| 10:37.33 | vizzy | ok, after removing bluez and reinstalling bluetooth from old stable, same thing, no bluetooth mouse working, configs havent changed too |
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| 10:38.12 | kripz | wols_, something like su -u user -c /usr/bin/X? |
| 10:38.14 | vizzy | maybe a reboot will do it, rofl, like in good old ms times... |
| 10:39.24 | wols_ | kripz: a bit more complicated but something like this, yes |
| 10:39.49 | Prolac | wols_: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
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| 10:40.13 | iridos | Prolac, as root |
| 10:40.15 | wols_ | Prolac: are you root? |
| 10:40.24 | iridos | it's in /usr/sbin |
| 10:40.27 | Prolac | oops :P |
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| 10:44.29 | Prolac | which key should I hit to select option? |
| 10:44.50 | Cain | spacebar |
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| 10:46.20 | vizzy | ok, seems somthing more has changed than only a firmware i dont neede dbefore, or bluetooth configs.... etc. seems its just broken and buggy binary, driver, module, whatever, .... will switch to good old cable mouse and give bluetooth a kick and trash my bt devices.... pf |
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| 10:47.40 | vizzy | the best thing is, it installs tons of stuff but dont ask to update config, tryed with backports again... |
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| 10:49.18 | Prolac | thanks all, changed it successfully :) |
| 10:49.22 | vizzy | ok, where does aptitude or synaptic or these packagemanagers put its logfiles? so i could see what has been updated and restire old but working versions? |
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| 11:12.17 | katei | I installed debian on my i5 laptop using i386 dvds... Works fine - what am I missing out on by using these dvds instead of the amd64 ones? |
| 11:12.49 | epsilon | 32bit |
| 11:12.53 | MrFrood | katei: how much mem do you have? |
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| 11:13.40 | katei | 3gb |
| 11:14.16 | ectospasm | katei: not much then, you're saving a smidge of disk space |
| 11:14.36 | MrFrood | katei: you are actually better off using the 32bit install in that case - amd works better with big memmory |
| 11:14.53 | MrFrood | *amd64 works... |
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| 11:15.15 | katei | Sweet - thanks everyone! |
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| 11:17.11 | MrFrood | katei: 3gb or less 32bit best 3 -4gb toss a coin, more than 4gb use 64bit |
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| 11:17.56 | wols_ | MrFrood: 3-4GB depends on the other hardware in the system. mainly the amount of dedicated video memory |
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| 11:18.22 | ectospasm | 4GB is the threshold. i386 can't address all 4GB if you're right at the threshold |
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| 11:19.44 | MrFrood | wols_: I know - I was trying to "briefly" summerise |
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| 11:22.24 | abrotman | ectospasm: PAE? |
| 11:23.08 | ectospasm | abrotman: I wasn't considering PAE kernels. If you've installed PAE, you wouldn't be asking that question (-; |
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| 11:23.17 | ectospasm | er, a PAE kernel |
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| 11:23.33 | abrotman | then the threshold would be 3.3GB without? |
| 11:23.51 | ectospasm | something like that |
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| 11:25.51 | PepperBob | hi guys. |
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| 11:26.10 | PepperBob | is there a kernel in the squeeze repo that has the microsoft linux integration components compiled? |
| 11:26.24 | PepperBob | afaik those are integrated in kernel 2.6.32 |
| 11:26.49 | abrotman | PepperBob: the what? |
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| 11:27.16 | PepperBob | linux integration components - drivers that have been published by microsoft |
| 11:27.21 | gohdan | PepperBob: you mean the patches that allow more fluid operation in the microsoft virtual pc? |
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| 11:27.33 | PepperBob | no, things for Hyper-V integration |
| 11:28.06 | PepperBob | those have been contributed to 2.6.32 |
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| 11:30.37 | abrotman | PepperBob: you can get the kernel package and look through the config to see if they're there |
| 11:30.39 | vizzy | rofl |
| 11:30.50 | abrotman | or if you know the kernel config option, someone could look for oyu |
| 11:30.51 | vizzy | aptitude remove bluetooth/bluez removed all |
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| 11:31.01 | vizzy | my bluetooth mouse is now working again! wtf? |
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| 11:31.30 | vizzy | i cant believe that |
| 11:31.37 | JyZyXEL | why is mrtg configured with a default workdir of /var/www/mrtg |
| 11:31.40 | PepperBob | abrotman: is there an option to view the config online? |
| 11:31.47 | JyZyXEL | CGI doesn't work there by default on debian |
| 11:32.04 | ectospasm | vizzy: Bluetooth support is spotty at best, in my experience |
| 11:32.14 | abrotman | PepperBob: you can't download a package and look? |
| 11:32.26 | ectospasm | I have a Bluetooth mouse connected to all my machines |
| 11:32.57 | ectospasm | All of them will briefly disconnect. Sometimes I have to turn them off and back on |
| 11:33.08 | MrFrood | thinks wired is best :) |
| 11:33.18 | abrotman | wonders if stew is still a bluetooth expert :) |
| 11:33.38 | ectospasm | MrFrood: wired doesn't work eight feet a way since the wire would cross the only path to the front apartment exit (-; |
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| 11:33.57 | ectospasm | MrFrood: not to mention, wires get in the way |
| 11:34.07 | MrFrood | ectospasm: so lift your feet and you wont trip |
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| 11:34.09 | vizzy | i dont know why, but now hidd is runnig again and detects my bt mouse at boot time.... after installing bluetooth and bluez from backports, or beeing forced to upgrade, all has gone. |
| 11:34.23 | ectospasm | MrFrood: easier said than done with a 300lb gorilla as a roommate |
| 11:34.36 | vizzy | i didnt know what to try more, so deinstalled all, now ist running... its fucking crazy |
| 11:34.38 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 11:34.49 | ectospasm | MrFrood: also, the keyboard cord doesn't stretch all the way to the sofa, so using it is a pain |
| 11:34.57 | abrotman | extension cable! |
| 11:35.02 | ectospasm | abrotman: nope. |
| 11:35.09 | MrFrood | ectospasm: the hardder they fall, the quicker they learn... |
| 11:35.26 | ectospasm | MrFrood: at that size, it simply rips the cable out of the socket |
| 11:35.35 | ectospasm | he and I have already done it once |
| 11:36.02 | MrFrood | ectospasm: get an old ibm model m with the extended cable - shouldd do yo twice over |
| 11:36.33 | abrotman | has a model m with a trackpoint |
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| 11:37.12 | ectospasm | Nope. Not gonna happen. You can't convince me. I don't like the model M, geek blasphemy I know. I had one for twelve years... it's why I was diagnosed with RSI |
| 11:37.19 | MrFrood | attempts to kill abrotman and steals his keyboard |
| 11:37.36 | abrotman | MrFrood: you can buy them still if you look around .. but this is actually an IBM one ... |
| 11:38.42 | MrFrood | abrotman: not if one wants both IBM & uk layout (I have one, but they are very rare) |
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| 11:38.54 | abrotman | MrFrood: wtf is uk? :) |
| 11:39.02 | MrFrood | british |
| 11:39.23 | abrotman | if you just spoke english, you wouldn't need your own keymap :) |
| 11:39.32 | MrFrood | :P |
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| 11:39.40 | wols_ | abrotman: what model would that be? only ones with trackpoint I know are the lenovo thinkpad keyboards |
| 11:39.54 | abrotman | wols_: google "ibm model m trackpoint" ... you'll see them for sale |
| 11:40.13 | abrotman | http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9244/subcatid/0/id/196096 ... for instance |
| 11:40.34 | abrotman | that one is newer than the one i have, but it's roughly the same |
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| 11:40.59 | wols_ | ah, unicomp era |
| 11:41.10 | abrotman | that one is .. |
| 11:41.12 | wols_ | I remember lenovo making keyboards as well for a short time |
| 11:41.22 | ectospasm | The one I had was manufactured by Lexmark |
| 11:42.17 | ectospasm | ...but it was shipped with an old true-blue IBM beige box back in 1995 |
| 11:43.23 | gohdan | abrotman: http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww250/jh2up/its-beautiful.jpg |
| 11:43.32 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:43.48 | gohdan | dat trackpoint |
| 11:44.21 | MrFrood | has a 93 & 99 lenovo/ibm model M but really wants a pre 93 all IBM model M (with British layout) |
| 11:44.53 | PepperBob | abrotman: i think i could look at the filelist via packages.debian.org |
| 11:45.08 | abrotman | PepperBob: if you know the module name, i suppose you could |
| 11:45.23 | PepperBob | abrotman: yeah, those start with hv_ |
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| 11:45.38 | PepperBob | abrotman: unfortunately i can't find any kernel that has those included :( |
| 11:46.17 | PepperBob | abrotman: what do you think - does it make sense to request them to be included in a future update? |
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| 11:46.59 | ectospasm | PepperBob: it would probably make more sense for you to compile you're own kernel that includes them |
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| 11:47.00 | abrotman | PepperBob: are they OSS? or just free? |
| 11:47.14 | PepperBob | abrotman: afaik GPL2 |
| 11:47.21 | abrotman | PepperBob: remember, the default debian kernel has the non-free/binary bits removed |
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| 11:47.41 | abrotman | judd: kconfig CONFIG_HIGHMEM |
| 11:47.42 | judd | Searching for 'CONFIG_HIGHMEM' in squeeze kernel config gives HIGHMEM4G=y HIGHMEM=y. |
| 11:47.52 | abrotman | that's why i asked if you know the config option |
| 11:48.19 | PepperBob | abrotman: yes i know - but in this case it's all gpl2 - so in theory there would be any policy restrictions... |
| 11:48.33 | abrotman | wouldn't ? |
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| 11:48.45 | PepperBob | oh yeah... wouldn't :D |
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| 11:49.45 | abrotman | if you know the CONFIG option, we can search, it may be in newer kernels |
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| 11:50.31 | PepperBob | abrotman: talking to me? |
| 11:50.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:50.46 | abrotman | doesn't see anyone else talking :) |
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| 11:50.57 | PepperBob | hehe... |
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| 11:51.44 | PepperBob | afaik they are compiled as modules. i'm not familiar with kernel compilations but will there be a separate config flag? |
| 11:51.48 | PythonSnake | hi |
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| 11:52.02 | asdjaputra | hey my friend here is thinking of installing debian |
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| 11:52.14 | abrotman | PepperBob: yes |
| 11:52.14 | PythonSnake | is debian compatble with gma hd ? |
| 11:52.16 | asdjaputra | he want to code in python and later java and C++ |
| 11:52.22 | asdjaputra | k |
| 11:52.38 | abrotman | PythonSnake: i think i have a GMA in my laptop .. but it depends on the actual model of card |
| 11:52.45 | abrotman | asdjaputra: and? |
| 11:53.06 | asdjaputra | yeah there he go (PythonSnake) |
| 11:53.23 | PythonSnake | abrotman: model is gma hd |
| 11:53.32 | asdjaputra | he has some compability issues with ubuntu 10.04 |
| 11:53.40 | asdjaputra | and i'm sure debian will help |
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| 11:53.50 | abrotman | PythonSnake: i meant the pci id, sorry |
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| 11:54.16 | PythonSnake | pci id? |
| 11:54.19 | PythonSnake | how to check ? |
| 11:54.31 | nevyn | lspci on a linux system? |
| 11:54.31 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 11:54.53 | PythonSnake | I'm actually on windows 7 |
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| 11:57.58 | wols_ | PythonSnake: devicemanager shows pci ids in properties for the device |
| 11:58.17 | abrotman | how old is the machine? |
| 11:58.52 | PythonSnake | it's new |
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| 11:59.00 | wols_ | PythonSnake: and the CPU is which? |
| 11:59.04 | nevyn | PythonSnake: booting a livecd of anything based on linux is a reasonable test. |
| 12:01.30 | PythonSnake | intel |
| 12:01.42 | PythonSnake | i5 |
| 12:01.48 | asdjaputra | wow |
| 12:01.51 | wols_ | PythonSnake: model number. and windows tells you this in properties of "my computer" |
| 12:02.06 | PepperBob | abrotman: i can't find the config name. however, these drivers still seem to be staging-drivers - it's likely that they will be compiled once they get moved out of staging. |
| 12:02.54 | PepperBob | abrotman: maybe i should ask the kernel team about their thoughts. i think i'd rather wait then compile my own kernel |
| 12:02.57 | PepperBob | :P |
| 12:03.26 | abrotman | PepperBob: there is a newer kernel in backports i believe |
| 12:03.34 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:03.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc3-686-pae (3.0.0~rc3-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 12:03.35 | PythonSnake | wols_: i5 450 m |
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| 12:06.23 | PepperBob | no luck either :/ |
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| 12:07.30 | Stava | When installing tiger, will the cron script be enabled by default? Also how do I read the reports? |
| 12:07.43 | wols_ | hd graphics for i5 450 should work fine |
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| 12:08.11 | PepperBob | abrotman: is there a way to search the mailing list? maybe someone raised a similiar question... |
| 12:09.18 | PythonSnake | wols_: Can my pc run debian ? |
| 12:09.58 | wols_ | how can we tell since we don't know which one it is? even then, we cannot know all PCs. a i5-450 can run debian, yes |
| 12:10.08 | asdjaputra | wols_, lol |
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| 12:13.34 | negge | is there any way to log in via GDM from a terminal? I needed to restart my X server remotely and I can't access my desktop through VNC before a user has logged in |
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| 12:15.32 | martinvdk | In midnight commander, when pressing ENTER on a ppt-file, it tries to execute it. I added an entry for ppt in /etc/mc/mc.ext. Why doesn't it work? |
| 12:15.56 | martinvdk | In the entry in my mc.ext, I tell it to use soffice |
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| 12:17.11 | negge | no problem guys, my problem fixed itself |
| 12:17.30 | stew | abrotman: you might still be aware of all my bluetooth experiences :) |
| 12:17.40 | abrotman | stew: all of it?! |
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| 12:18.15 | stew | pretty much |
| 12:18.18 | BCMM | is there an easy way to enable a boot splash on squeeze? |
| 12:18.34 | abrotman | BCMM: plymouth is nice enough |
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| 12:25.35 | BCMM | abrotman: thanks, i'm having a look at that |
| 12:25.35 | Bartzy|work | Where "scp -t" flag (and the rest of the "remote side" flags) is documented ? I'm not seeing it in 'man scp'. |
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| 12:31.02 | nientepanico | hello.. i got a question please |
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| 12:31.42 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 12:31.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:31.56 | nientepanico | i run a linux server and i don't know which is best directory under /var where to store all documents |
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| 12:32.53 | Bushmills | "all documents"? |
| 12:33.31 | Bushmills | why would you want to store any? |
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| 12:34.50 | nevyn | nientepanico: /srv is what the fhs says. |
| 12:34.53 | nientepanico | i run a cms it's like alfresco or nuxeo... with this all user can access to a website and upload documents.. my problem is: which is the best directory where to store all this documents |
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| 12:36.04 | nevyn | nientepanico: /srv |
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| 12:36.21 | abrotman | nientepanico: ideally, somewhere you backup :) |
| 12:36.28 | abrotman | nientepanico: other than that, wherever you like |
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| 12:37.13 | BCMM | abrotman: thanks, that isn't bad. however, it's only showing on startup for me. any hints on how to make it work during shutdown? |
| 12:37.17 | nientepanico | abrotman: i would like under /var it's smart solution? |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | BCMM: i think the docs cover that |
| 12:37.30 | BCMM | if it helps, i'm shutting down from lxde under gdm |
| 12:37.43 | abrotman | BCMM: i do that, works both ways for me on my netbook |
| 12:37.47 | Bushmills | consider that you're able to create new directories, rather than being forced to use an already existing directory |
| 12:38.03 | BCMM | abrotman: these docs? http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth or something else? |
| 12:38.09 | abrotman | nientepanico: /var/documents/ ? /var/www/documents/ ? /var/stuff/documents/ ? |
| 12:38.13 | BCMM | abrotman: and did you have to do anything special to make that work? |
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| 12:38.16 | abrotman | BCMM: /usr/share/doc/plymouth/ |
| 12:38.23 | abrotman | BCMM: don't recall, been awhile, but i think so |
| 12:38.27 | BCMM | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:39.28 | nientepanico | abrotman: thanks a lot i supposed it was not a good solution... it's first time i run a server... sorry for the stupid question... |
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| 12:39.53 | abrotman | nientepanico: if you read the docs for the CMS, it may suggest somewhere |
| 12:40.38 | nientepanico | abrotman: they use /var/lib/nuxeo but suggest to change for security matters |
| 12:41.17 | nientepanico | nuxeo is name of cms |
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| 12:41.51 | nevyn | r that you're able to create new directories, rather than being forced to use an already existing directory |
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| 12:42.24 | nevyn | abrotman: and there's always the fhs standard of /srv |
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| 12:43.14 | nientepanico | I will just create a new one under /var or i'll use fhs hierarchy, /srv thanks a lot for your help to all |
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| 12:45.22 | BCMM | abrotman: i've just noticed that i see the splashscreen for a moment after X quits; but then it switches to a login prompt |
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| 12:46.14 | BCMM | by the way, even before installing plymouth, i noticed that i see a getty instead of messages on shutdown. is that normal? |
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| 12:54.34 | abrotman | BCMM: nvidia/ati card? |
| 12:54.40 | BCMM | abrotman: intel. |
| 12:54.53 | abrotman | that's what i have in my netbook, works fine |
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| 12:56.37 | lucasweb | alguien habla español? |
| 12:56.42 | stew | !es |
| 12:56.42 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 12:59.43 | lucasweb | !time |
| 12:59.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2011.06.23 12:59:43, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_system_and_hardware_time |
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| 13:02.38 | PythonSnake | hi |
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| 13:02.46 | PythonSnake | can I play games with debian ? |
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| 13:05.31 | ayambit_ | Naturally. |
| 13:05.41 | ayambit_ | aptitude is the best gave evar. |
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| 13:05.54 | PythonSnake | can I play crysis on ? |
| 13:05.59 | ayambit_ | I don't even starting about /etc directory. |
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| 13:07.00 | wols_ | PythonSnake: generally, not really. there is WINE and appdb.winehq.org but Debian is not a prime gaming platform |
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| 13:15.06 | MrFrood | sends PythonSnake off to play empire and oolite |
| 13:15.22 | PythonSnake | ? |
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| 13:17.17 | Benkinooby | PythonSnake, hahah, told ya they won't aswer your questions as they do in #ubuntu :P where is asdas,,,? |
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| 13:17.59 | th0r | Benkinooby: I saw at least three answers to his question....how many do you need? |
| 13:18.00 | PythonSnake | who are you Benkinooby ? |
| 13:18.19 | Benkinooby | PythonSnake, oh sorry, i am teetasse |
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| 13:18.37 | Benkinooby | PythonSnake, for our little conversiation before :P |
| 13:18.48 | PythonSnake | :o |
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| 13:19.20 | abrotman | Benkinooby: they did answer his question, stop trolling |
| 13:20.51 | Benkinooby | th0r, i was not speaking about the quantity... :P |
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| 13:21.26 | th0r | Benkinooby: all three were good answers. I, for one, wish you script kiddies WOULD go back to ubuntu and leave the rest of us alone |
| 13:21.44 | abrotman | and that's the end of this discussion? |
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| 13:24.09 | Benkinooby | !off-topic |
| 13:24.09 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 13:25.26 | Benkinooby | abrotman, th0r made his point, i made my point - discussion ended :) |
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| 13:26.58 | project2501a | I am confused. what is the diff between virtualbox-ose-dkms and virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms |
| 13:27.02 | project2501a | ? |
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| 13:28.08 | themill | project2501a: guest v host (check the package description) |
| 13:28.36 | project2501a | i did. i apologize, but i did not understand the difference. |
| 13:28.44 | project2501a | so you can virtualize a virtual host? |
| 13:29.22 | valdyn_ | project2501a: does the package description not tell? |
| 13:29.24 | th0r | project2501a: there are small pieces of code that are added to a 'guest' to let the guest OS know it is running in a virtual environment |
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| 13:29.41 | project2501a | valdyn_: not as far as i can tell. |
| 13:29.52 | themill | ahh -- the host stuff is to do the actual virtualisation, the guest stuff is to do things like provide time sync and virtual filesystems so the guest can access (certain) files on the host if desired. |
| 13:30.12 | valdyn_ | project2501a: one supports this system from the host side, one from the guest side |
| 13:30.50 | project2501a | themill: aha. that is why one conflicts the other |
| 13:31.29 | valdyn_ | project2501a: i guess a host cant be guest at the same time |
| 13:31.38 | project2501a | yeah |
| 13:31.59 | valdyn_ | lame, but who cares, i guess |
| 13:32.07 | project2501a | valdyn_: sorry for the stupid question, i did check out the page, but it does not describe what you just said explicitely. maybe i should file a bug? |
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| 13:32.35 | valdyn_ | project2501a: yea, looking at the package description - you should |
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| 13:33.13 | valdyn_ | project2501a: the guest description is ok I guess, not the other |
| 13:33.27 | project2501a | i love you debian |
| 13:33.35 | project2501a | is reading about the debian installer |
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| 13:34.57 | themill | valdyn_, project2501a: even the guest package description could do with info about what you gain by installing it. You can successfully have a guest without it, after all.... it's just added bells and whistles that would be nice to include in the description. |
| 13:35.13 | valdyn_ | themill: agreed |
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| 13:38.01 | marsfligth | is it possible speed down a process like 'rsync' or others? |
| 13:38.17 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: why would you want to speed it down? |
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| 13:39.47 | deeLer | marsfligth: there is a parameter for that |
| 13:39.58 | marsfligth | valdyn_: i leave on wile the server act as file server, ftp into an intranet |
| 13:40.12 | themill | marsfligth: --bwlimit |
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| 13:40.23 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: so you dont want to slow it down, you want other processes to take precedence |
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| 13:40.38 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: or is it that you really care about the network bandwidth? |
| 13:41.00 | marsfligth | i need to decrease the cpu usage |
| 13:41.19 | deeLer | marsfligth: use another encryption technique |
| 13:41.28 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: no, you the other processes to take precedence |
| 13:41.28 | deeLer | like acefour |
| 13:41.32 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: man renice |
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| 13:41.38 | deeLer | although these are more ssh related issues |
| 13:41.59 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: and might want to renice ssh, not rsync |
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| 13:42.34 | deeLer | used this on a QNAP, with a crappy Broadcom processor ... it speed up the transfer with about 30% |
| 13:42.44 | marsfligth | rsync works locally (via sta2 |
| 13:42.49 | marsfligth | sata 2 |
| 13:42.57 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: its not using cpu then |
| 13:43.18 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: or i should say "its not using cpu then unless your system is already broken" |
| 13:43.28 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: "%wa" is *not* cpu usage |
| 13:43.44 | marsfligth | ok |
| 13:44.44 | simonlnu | it's io wait, innit? |
| 13:44.58 | valdyn_ | simonlnu: yes |
| 13:45.33 | marsfligth | anyway, skipping rsync, does exist some controlo to regulate the cpu sucking? |
| 13:46.04 | valdyn_ | marsfligth: you cant restrict cpu usage, you can only prioritise |
| 13:46.06 | deeLer | maybe ..... you can rsync --bwlimit= 1000k source 127.0.0.1:/dest |
| 13:46.16 | deeLer | don't know if that would work |
| 13:46.32 | simonlnu | using arcfour like deeLer said is one way, and bw limiting |
| 13:46.32 | valdyn_ | deeLer: im sure it would, but its also silly |
| 13:46.42 | valdyn_ | simonlnu: no, hes not using ssh |
| 13:47.06 | simonlnu | it's the sata bus that's probably saturated - oh ok |
| 13:47.16 | valdyn_ | simonlnu: thats not a bus |
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| 13:47.28 | marsfligth | deeLer: nice idea |
| 13:47.30 | valdyn_ | simonlnu: i dont know how you want to saturate it with common hardware |
| 13:48.13 | simonlnu | well, i don't know how sata works, so, you tell me =) |
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| 13:48.45 | simonlnu | should go do some reading before he gets that "new" box |
| 13:48.54 | marsfligth | valdyn_: ill try the --bwlimit switch, i don knew about its existence |
| 13:49.05 | valdyn_ | simonlnu: harddisks are commonly around 100MB/sec, sata 1 is probably 150MB/sec, but no one uses sata 1 |
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| 13:49.46 | valdyn_ | simonlnu: so typically youll have a 100MB/sec disk on a link that probably goes to 300MB/sec |
| 13:50.09 | ikarus | is there still a version (and if so which) of Nagios 3 which does not use PHP ? |
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| 13:51.48 | wols_ | ikarus: I don't see any nagios depending on php. on perl yes, not php |
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| 13:52.41 | ikarus | wols_: ah, then stable still doesn't depend on it |
| 13:52.43 | somiaj | nagios3-cgi (which gets pulled in by the meta package) depends on php |
| 13:52.46 | ikarus | ah |
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| 13:52.59 | ikarus | somiaj: and that one is sort of useful if you want anything like a web ui |
| 13:53.36 | somiaj | ikarus: do you know if the upstream can be complied without php support -- if that is the case you may have to compile your own package |
| 13:54.06 | ikarus | somiaj: yes, it's a couple of quick patches left and right |
| 13:54.14 | ikarus | that is what annoys me most |
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| 13:54.33 | ikarus | Nagios is still fine without PHP |
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| 13:55.23 | somiaj | then download the source -- apply the pataches, modifie the rules so php support isn't needed. |
| 13:55.40 | somiaj | (debian source could hopefully be patched) |
| 13:56.04 | somiaj | it could be just the matainers don't include those unoffical patches to remove the php suport. |
| 13:56.20 | ikarus | the Debian maintainer gave up supporting the patch to remove PHP support |
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| 13:58.27 | Bartzy|work | ca ALL=/etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 13:58.32 | Bartzy|work | This line in /etc/sudoers means that the user ca can execute only /etc/init.d/apache2 reload , as root ? |
| 13:58.50 | simonlnu | valdyn_: ok. thanks. i'm going to read the wikipedia entry on it. |
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| 14:00.49 | OleMoudi- | hi!, what's the preferred vpn solution for a debian squeeze server to serve win7 native vpn client? |
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| 14:01.29 | ikarus | and yup, I can easily remove PHP support, it's not used for anything useful anyway |
| 14:01.42 | ikarus | nothing that can't be done with either SSI or Perl CGI as easily.... |
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| 14:01.51 | valdyn_ | OleMoudi-: stock windows supports anything but pptp? |
| 14:02.16 | OleMoudi- | valdyn_, not sure, it doesnt give a lot of details when creating a new vpn conn |
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| 14:11.45 | geshp | so i accidently installed grub to both /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 how bad is this? the first part on that disk is just manufacturer partition on that box |
| 14:12.14 | valdyn_ | geshp: no problem unless you needed the data on that partition |
| 14:12.36 | geshp | valdyn_: does it overwrite the whole part or just the beginning? |
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| 14:12.51 | lumio | does anyone know a good cli irc client? |
| 14:12.52 | wols_ | only the beginning. should do a thing |
| 14:12.57 | wols_ | lumio: irssi |
| 14:13.03 | wols_ | *shouldn't |
| 14:13.12 | geshp | wols_: good news cheers |
| 14:13.19 | lumio | i installed it, but... I quiet understand it :D |
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| 14:13.34 | abrotman | quiet ? |
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| 14:13.42 | abrotman | irssi.org has lots of docs |
| 14:13.53 | wols_ | and if you want answers, you need to be more specific |
| 14:13.59 | valdyn_ | geshp: the size it overwrites depends on the total size of modules required to read the kernel |
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| 14:14.31 | wols_ | valdyn_: more like on the modules required to understand the filesystem? |
| 14:14.40 | wols_ | ie to load the rest of grub |
| 14:15.11 | lumio | lol wois_ .. now I understand :D |
| 14:15.43 | valdyn_ | wols_: yea, you may be right, though thats often the same |
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| 14:16.48 | valdyn_ | wols_: no - you are right ... |
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| 14:18.00 | linux-fox | hi,all |
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| 14:22.27 | linux-fox | i am using firefox5 in debian testing |
| 14:22.32 | geshp | yeah i just tapped a 1 after the grub-install /dev/sda line by accident |
| 14:22.43 | geshp | really should pay more attention with grub... |
| 14:24.23 | somiaj | geshp: computers do what you tell them to, not what you want them to...:D |
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| 14:29.18 | g00se | I need to test my mike. I've just tried Audacity. Any other simple apps i can try? |
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| 14:29.32 | bonkos_dog | lumio: Try http://laurimakinen.net/2009/04/13/ultimate-irssi-guide-for-beginners/ |
| 14:30.09 | pipeline | g00se: arecord, the mic counterpart to the aplay app |
| 14:30.22 | MrFrood | linux-fox: whats wrong with using iceweasel 5? |
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| 14:31.49 | linux-fox | the same |
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| 14:33.34 | g00se | pipeline: Yes, i did man arecord and couldn't quite see how to choose mic as source |
| 14:33.45 | somiaj | don't you mean version 4 - I don't see a version 5. |
| 14:33.55 | themill | somiaj: mozilla.d.n |
| 14:33.57 | pipeline | g00se: arecord -l to lits devices, arecord -D to pick a particular device |
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| 14:34.14 | themill | !iceweasel5 |
| 14:34.14 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser are not available from <debian backports>, as they have not yet made it to wheezy. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for Iceweasel 5.0 for squeeze, wheezy or sid. |
| 14:35.06 | MrFrood | somiaj: for the brave, iceweasel 5 is available from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 14:35.37 | somiaj | MrFrood: yea I only saw 4 in experiemential -- was trying to look for the upstream version but didn't realize I was on the wrong mozilla webpage when all I saw was versions 3 and 4. |
| 14:35.48 | g00se | pipeline: I'm not sure mic is present here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/631208/ |
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| 14:36.39 | asarch | How do you install you current Perl's source code? |
| 14:36.45 | asarch | *your |
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| 14:38.17 | somiaj | asarch: add a deb-src line and apt-get source to get the source code -- but do you have something else you need the source code for perl for? |
| 14:38.18 | themill | dpkg: tell asarch about source |
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| 14:39.34 | asarch | Thank you guys |
| 14:39.39 | asarch | Thank you very much |
| 14:39.51 | asarch | I want the PDF version of the pod files somiaj |
| 14:40.32 | g00se | Actually arecord 'worked'. The effect is much like Darth Vader on a high Mogadon dosage. I wonder what that means? |
| 14:41.04 | themill | g00se: it means that you're Darth Vader on a high Mogadon dose. |
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| 14:53.04 | dvgsvc | is 2.6.32-5-686 stable or testing? |
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| 14:54.03 | wols_ | !kernels |
| 14:54.05 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110623, mainline 3: 3.0-rc4 , snapshot 2.6: 2.6.39-git20, stable 2.6.39: 2.6.39.1 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.8 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.4 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.9 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.14 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.41 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 |
| 14:54.19 | wols_ | :( |
| 14:54.22 | dvgsvc | no i mean debian |
| 14:54.25 | wols_ | dvgsvc: debian stable |
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| 14:54.50 | dvgsvc | wols_, i was on testing and then it became stable. how can i return to testing? |
| 14:55.25 | themill | dpkg: tell dvgsvc about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:55.48 | themill | err.... that would be squeeze->wheezy. Let's do the time warp again. |
| 14:55.48 | dvgsvc | themill, i had squeeze |
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| 14:55.55 | epsilon | just use testing as source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:55.57 | dvgsvc | i have* |
| 14:56.15 | dvgsvc | will the universe break if i safe-upgrade with the testing as source? |
| 14:56.39 | wols_ | testing always breaks, sooner or later. nothing "safe" about it |
| 14:56.41 | dvgsvc | dpkg: tell dvgsvc about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:57.28 | dvgsvc | err dist-upgrade i mean |
| 14:57.43 | themill | dvgsvc: you would need a full-upgrade rather than a safe-upgrade, and you will probably need to use apt-get rather than aptitude just as for lenny->squeeze. |
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| 14:58.44 | dvgsvc | what's the difference ? i thought debian devs recommended aptitude |
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| 14:59.06 | dvgsvc | themill, and the upgrade will be smooth right? |
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| 14:59.19 | jhutchins_lt | dvgsvc: aptitude tries a little too hard to resolve dependencies and can loop. |
| 15:00.03 | themill | dvgsvc: smooth? testing is called testing for a reason. I believe xorg in testing is fairly broken just now, particularly when it comes to non-free drivers. |
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| 15:01.48 | stevieman | Can anyone help me getting a USB HD to mount in a specific location. I haven't been able to figure it out |
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| 15:07.39 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: Probably easiest to use a UUID in the fstab. |
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| 15:10.55 | BLZbubba | how painful is it to get a #%^@^#! RTL wireless card working with squeeze? i am trying a boot cd and it doesn't find it |
| 15:11.00 | BLZbubba | live cd i mean |
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| 15:12.39 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt: Why didn't I think ot that? I was trying to setup a udev rule? |
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| 15:14.14 | wols_ | BLZbubba: depends on the actual chip. some are a PITA |
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| 15:19.20 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: It would seem like the options for udev generated mounts should be controllable through udev, but the control mechanism doesn't really exist in Debian right now. Gnome Policykit may address some of the options, but for KDE you're kind of up the creek. |
| 15:20.26 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt: actually it's on a server, while I have gnome most stuff is command line |
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| 15:21.02 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: Yeah, except for gnome I've been unable to find any information on configuring stuff with udev. |
| 15:21.37 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: What I wanted was for USB drives to be mounted user RW like they were in Lenny. Had to create a fstab entry for /dev/sd0 as a band-aid. |
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| 15:22.12 | jhutchins_lt | If I ever mount a second drive I'll need another entry. |
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| 15:22.27 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt: I hear you. Well it seems the problem I was having was a forgotten USB key in the server. I ended up mounting the wrong USB device. Now if only I can remember how to find the device info |
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| 15:22.47 | jhutchins_lt | blkid for uuid |
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| 15:29.42 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt: any idea on how I find the ATTRS{serial}? |
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| 15:30.21 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt: oh I think I found it |
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| 15:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: share! |
| 15:35.13 | BLZbubba | wols_: this one is definitely a pita! it works out of the box on ubuntu but i really h8 ubuntu and would prefer debian if at all possible |
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| 15:35.24 | stevieman | /sbin/udevadm info -a -p $(/sbin/udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sdb) Change sdb1 to where you drive should be |
| 15:35.32 | BLZbubba | but i don't want to make a career out of making it work with wireless |
| 15:35.46 | BLZbubba | which used to be the case with the old ndiswrapper nonsense |
| 15:35.50 | wols_ | BLZbubba: then tell us which one it is |
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| 15:37.05 | kuene | http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2264 here it sais that there is a kernel upgrade for 2.6 linux. but I am unable to find one for linux-image-openvz-amd64 |
| 15:37.12 | kuene | dies anybody know? |
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| 15:40.34 | msorrenti | hey guys, I'm trying to uninstall python2.7 from source but hit a wall. `which python` returns '/usr/bin/python' but `python` keeps calling /usr/local/bin/python (2.7, doesn't exist anymore) |
| 15:40.39 | msorrenti | why doesn't it see /usr/bin/python? |
| 15:40.47 | msorrenti | my PATH is /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/.... |
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| 15:41.29 | joe6 | msorrenti, in your shell? |
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| 15:41.47 | Bushmills | msorrenti: execute hash -r |
| 15:41.56 | wols_ | msorrenti: cause /usr/local is before /usr/bin ? |
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| 15:42.18 | msorrenti | Bushmills: you got it |
| 15:42.25 | Bushmills | i know |
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| 15:45.52 | wols_ | Bushmills: what is this hash? |
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| 15:46.11 | simonlnu | shell builtin |
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| 15:46.16 | lolcat | Hellu |
| 15:46.26 | lolcat | I need to move a live install over to another disk |
| 15:46.31 | lolcat | While running |
| 15:46.35 | Bushmills | wols_: hashed location of executable, to avoid having to re-search PATH for it |
| 15:46.38 | lolcat | I am running from a 16gb usb stick |
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| 15:46.41 | wols_ | lolcat: your nick is apt for this |
| 15:46.49 | lolcat | I want it to be on a 1tb disk I just bougth |
| 15:46.52 | lolcat | wols_: apt for what? |
| 15:47.02 | wols_ | lolcat: for what you want to do |
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| 15:47.43 | lolcat | wols_: Move my usb stick installation to a 1tb segate external disk |
| 15:48.18 | kuene | http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2264 is this only for lenny |
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| 15:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | lolcat: No. |
| 15:49.08 | lolcat | wols_: It is an easy thing, just dd the mbr, the / partition and extend it, and then make a swap partition |
| 15:49.11 | lolcat | jhutchins_lt: No? |
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| 15:49.41 | wols_ | lolcat: since it's so easy, why are you asking again? |
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| 15:49.59 | lolcat | wols_: I don't know the dd syntac |
| 15:50.02 | lolcat | syntax |
| 15:50.05 | lolcat | I could do the rest |
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| 15:50.12 | wols_ | you don't want to use dd |
| 15:50.14 | lolcat | But I don't want to copy the wrong way or something |
| 15:50.18 | lolcat | wols_: Why not? |
| 15:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | lolcat: Copying while live IS the wrong way. |
| 15:50.40 | lolcat | Why? |
| 15:50.43 | wols_ | cause your two disks are of different sizes |
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| 15:51.21 | wols_ | you can remount ro, copy and then you're done. but if you do that you can simply do it offline to, same effect |
| 15:51.36 | lolcat | wols_: Only by 984gb, that is a small diffrent |
| 15:51.43 | sylar | is there a simple ps argument that is like 'ps aux' priority of priority? |
| 15:52.16 | sylar | is there a simple ps argument that is like 'ps aux' + priority? |
| 15:52.27 | lolcat | wols_: Also, I don't need more space, I need more speed. But can I copy it online, then reboot? I can't just dd it and then mount the second drive on /? |
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| 15:57.50 | ajikeshi | short general question: i got problems with my nvidia gfx card... |
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| 15:58.37 | ajikeshi | used to have the .96 legacy nvidia drivers and wanted to switch to nouveau... how do i enable 3d acceleration with nouveau? (the card is a gf4) |
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| 16:01.39 | iridos | ajikeshi, did /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/README.Debian tell you anything interesting? |
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| 16:06.34 | msorrenti | so continuing down this whole "ridding myself of the evil 2.7" road, now I'm trying to install python-gobject and its saying "python-gobject: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.7.2-1 is to be installed " |
| 16:06.54 | msorrenti | the package manager thinks I still have 2.7 installed and won't let me get gobject? |
| 16:07.01 | iridos | (I think you're supposed to still use the proprietary nvidia drivers if you want 3D support, as it still makes too many problems in nouveau) |
| 16:07.31 | msorrenti | sudo dpkg --configure -a doesn't trip on anything |
| 16:07.39 | ajikeshi | iridos, nope... the xorg log says dri is enabled etc. but glxinfo "fails" |
| 16:08.09 | iridos | "fails"? |
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| 16:08.37 | ajikeshi | iridos, well actually... this card is so "bad" it doesnt matter if i dont have 3d... just wanted to test how well the free drivers work now |
| 16:08.52 | ajikeshi | iridos, tells me that glx is missing for my xserver |
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| 16:11.14 | ajikeshi | the odd thing is... the "current" legacy drivers from the nvidia homepage wont support my card :D |
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| 16:11.50 | ajikeshi | so i have to get some older drivers ;) |
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| 16:13.21 | msorrenti | yeah dpkg -l python still shows my old installed 2.7.2-1 |
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| 16:13.54 | msorrenti | dpkg -r python complains about unmet dependencies |
| 16:13.54 | dpkg | removes python complains about unmet dependencies along with a pound of flesh from msorrenti's body, then staples msorrenti back up with a staple gun. |
| 16:14.06 | msorrenti | but I dont' want to remove the 2.5, I want to get rid of the 2.7 stuff |
| 16:14.18 | msorrenti | all the dependencies are >= 2.5 |
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| 16:17.40 | msorrenti | ah ok, artifact leftover from the checkinstall |
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| 16:18.22 | msorrenti | editing it out of /var/lib/dpkg/status, sudo apt-get -f install and sudo apt-get install python-dev works |
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| 16:32.57 | iridos | it's all so quiet... |
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| 16:33.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 16:33.21 | dpkg | <abrotman> the nvidia one-liner doesn't work for lenny <_ZeuZ_> abrotman, wow, didn't knew that, one more for my knowledge base... <abrotman> that makes one |
| 16:34.01 | iridos | calling up your own quotes! |
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| 16:37.55 | Chilaquiles | hey guys one question: what tool can |
| 16:37.58 | abrotman | it was random! |
| 16:38.06 | Chilaquiles | I use to defragment my disk? |
| 16:38.15 | abrotman | which filesystem? |
| 16:38.27 | Chilaquiles | talking to me? |
| 16:38.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:38.44 | Chilaquiles | normal debian filesystem |
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| 16:38.56 | abrotman | you don't need to defrag it |
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| 16:39.09 | Chilaquiles | why not? |
| 16:39.18 | daemonkeeper | Because Linux is not Windows. |
| 16:39.25 | Chilaquiles | is that the reason? |
| 16:39.35 | Chilaquiles | nice |
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| 16:39.51 | Chilaquiles | so anything that is not windows doesn't need to defrag |
| 16:39.55 | Chilaquiles | is that right? |
| 16:40.12 | homie | nope |
| 16:40.13 | th0r | Chilaquiles: it has to do with the way the files are stored and the way the space is managed by the OS |
| 16:40.14 | daemonkeeper | Linux file system rarely fragment much enough to need a defragmentation. |
| 16:40.17 | Bushmills | wrong conclusion. flex09 needed defrag. so did msdos |
| 16:40.21 | daemonkeeper | But they do |
| 16:40.32 | homie | does not need defrag that often would be better i think.... |
| 16:40.40 | homie | or as often as win |
| 16:40.46 | Chilaquiles | thats what daemonkeeper said homie |
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| 16:41.44 | iridos | well, NTFS probably doesn't need it either... and MS just enabled an option to defragment because people were used to have to do that and kept asking them how to |
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| 16:42.01 | iridos | just like ^^^^^^ |
| 16:42.18 | Chilaquiles | daemonkeeper: so are you saying that rarely but it might need defragmentation |
| 16:42.39 | dashs | upgrading from debian lenny to squeeze: remote pcs unable to open the squeeze display. howto diagnose? |
| 16:42.47 | daemonkeeper | No, I say every file system fragments (obviously), but ext is smart enough to keep fragmentation low. |
| 16:42.52 | thinice | run fsck or shutdown -rF to 'defrag' and be happy ;) |
| 16:42.54 | wols_ | iridos: you are wrong |
| 16:43.10 | iridos | Chilaquiles, what you do for defragmenting is, you make a backup of the disk, then create a new filesystem, then play the backup back on |
| 16:43.15 | thinice | And then look at the fsck logs and see how little fragmentation there is |
| 16:43.18 | iridos | wols_, am I? |
| 16:43.46 | Chilaquiles | daemonkeeper: so, if I want to create a partition right after the space Im using in my hard drive, it might create some errors |
| 16:43.47 | wols_ | ntfs is pretty bad at fragmenting. not fat but but still. and in the age of torrent clients, every fs fragmetns |
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| 16:43.58 | wols_ | torrent clients and sparse files that is |
| 16:44.18 | Chilaquiles | shutdown? wtf? is this a joke? |
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| 16:44.28 | Chilaquiles | thinice |
| 16:44.51 | daemonkeeper | Chilaquiles: First, fragmentation is no problem at all. File systems can handle that. If anything it is a performance penalty. If you create a new partition the file system is obviously not fragmented |
| 16:45.08 | iridos | wols_, ok... fairysnuff... I would have thought _all_ kind of modernish filesystems are good at avoiding it, but didn't check for NTFS... amazing... I overestimated MS... how's that possible |
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| 16:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, if you restore an image backup of a fragmented filesystem, you'll restore the fragmentation too. |
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| 16:45.53 | Bushmills | Chilaquiles: read up by searching for defrag here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 16:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | You need a by-file restore to eliminate it. |
| 16:46.02 | thinice | I wasn't joking |
| 16:46.10 | wols_ | iridos: mistreat it enough and every fs fragments. it's just a question how much mistreatment needs to be applied |
| 16:46.18 | thinice | How else do you fsck / ? |
| 16:46.41 | homie | in single user mode |
| 16:46.42 | wols_ | thinice: mounting it ro and then fsck it |
| 16:46.45 | Chilaquiles | why I would like to shutdown the computer to defrag? |
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| 16:47.20 | stoerenungeheuer | defrag??? |
| 16:47.26 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: you dont need to defrag /, not ever |
| 16:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: Because modifying a live filesystem can destroy it. |
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| 16:48.05 | dbb | hi all- there is a GUI disk utility in debian 6 that runs the SMART disk tests, and can reformat a disk; Do you know the name of it? |
| 16:48.06 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: it's the only way to "defrag" xfs :) |
| 16:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: Live filesystems on Linux (and most OS's) are cached. If you change the disk and then the cache writes back old data, *F00F*. |
| 16:48.13 | iridos | jhutchins_lt, I meant something like tar, though :) |
| 16:48.19 | Chilaquiles | ok |
| 16:48.30 | jhutchins_lt | iridos: Right, a by-file restore works fine, even if from an image. |
| 16:48.31 | valdyn_ | jhutchins_lt: that just excludes specific types of defrag, not defrag |
| 16:48.33 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: depends on the strategy your defrag uses |
| 16:48.36 | Chilaquiles | what's the filesystem that debian uses again pls? |
| 16:48.43 | jhutchins_lt | True. |
| 16:48.43 | wols_ | Chilaquiles: ext3 |
| 16:48.52 | daemonkeeper | Chilaquiles: Whatever you chose upon installation |
| 16:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | ext[2,3,4] |
| 16:49.09 | daemonkeeper | Debian supports ext2, ext3, ext4, reiserfs, xfs, btrfs, ... |
| 16:49.10 | Chilaquiles | daemonkeeper: the one that is selected by default |
| 16:49.19 | daemonkeeper | Default is ext3 |
| 16:49.23 | Chilaquiles | ok |
| 16:49.37 | Chilaquiles | the table says that ext4 is better than ext3 |
| 16:49.44 | daemonkeeper | It is |
| 16:49.51 | Chilaquiles | man, I should have choosen that one |
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| 16:49.58 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 16:49.58 | dpkg | ext3 is, like, the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <resize2fs>, <ext2read>, <ext2fsd>, <ext2ifs>, <filesystems>. FAQ: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 16:49.59 | dbb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 |
| 16:50.03 | daemonkeeper | You can upgrade to ext3 |
| 16:50.06 | daemonkeeper | *ext4 |
| 16:50.07 | Chilaquiles | idk why ext3 is the default though |
| 16:50.19 | dbb | hi all- there is a GUI disk utility in debian 6 that runs the SMART disk tests, and can reformat a disk; Do you know the name of it? |
| 16:50.28 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: debian puts more weight on stability than speed |
| 16:50.40 | daemonkeeper | ext4 is as stable as ext3 |
| 16:50.46 | Chilaquiles | valdyn_: nice answer |
| 16:50.47 | daemonkeeper | But there is little benefit upgrading to ext4 without recreating files |
| 16:50.48 | valdyn_ | dbb: you dont need to reformat a disk |
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| 16:51.14 | valdyn_ | dbb: smartctl from the smartmontools package |
| 16:51.21 | dbb | looking |
| 16:51.25 | Chilaquiles | the table says that the use the same disk space |
| 16:51.29 | Chilaquiles | ext3 and ext4 |
| 16:51.39 | wols_ | valdyn_: he asked for a GUI for some reason |
| 16:51.57 | daemonkeeper | ext4 and ext3 are just pimped ext2 file systems |
| 16:52.00 | valdyn_ | dbb: gsmartcontrol would be a gui |
| 16:52.07 | Chilaquiles | so I guess thats the only reason why ext3 is chosen by default: stability |
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| 16:52.20 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: yes |
| 16:52.35 | wols_ | Chilaquiles: stability is about the most important thing in a filesystem. theren 2nd one is stability |
| 16:52.49 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: not just stability in fact, its even more than that that ext3 is a known quantity |
| 16:53.14 | Chilaquiles | I assume that ext4 is newer than ext3 |
| 16:53.18 | daemonkeeper | As I said, one can even upgrade ext3 to ext4 on a live file system (with little benefit) |
| 16:53.33 | Chilaquiles | so I wonder why they didn't improve the stability on that filesystem |
| 16:53.41 | valdyn_ | daemonkeeper: or with the full benefit |
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| 16:53.53 | Chilaquiles | and also, is ext3 the most stable filesystem? |
| 16:53.53 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: what? |
| 16:53.57 | daemonkeeper | valdyn_: Only if you recreate files. |
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| 16:54.15 | Chilaquiles | valdyn_: what part didn't you understand |
| 16:54.21 | valdyn_ | daemonkeeper: yea , sure, but thats trivial to do |
| 16:54.49 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: ext4 is the continuation of ext3, the "why didnt they make it more stable" makes no sense |
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| 16:55.11 | daemonkeeper | ext4 is after all just an intermediate solution until btrfs is ready |
| 16:55.35 | Chilaquiles | yeah, what I mean is if ext3 is older than ext4 why ext3 is better in stability than ext4 |
| 16:55.41 | Chilaquiles | is that better? |
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| 16:55.46 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: software ages like good wine |
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| 16:56.06 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: that means that only *after* its been in use for years we know how far we can trust it |
| 16:56.07 | daemonkeeper | Chilaquiles: Both, ext3 and ext4 use the same disk layout (based on ext2) |
| 16:56.08 | dbb | ok - gsmartcontrol appears to be it.. and looking in /usr/shared/app-install/desktop file for it, it seems to run as sudo when you invoke it from the menu.. but I have a disk I just added to the machine, and the smartcontrol app sees it, but I cant format it or run tests.. sure there are the old ways of doing things, but this seemed convenient and I am wondering how I might use this to add... |
| 16:56.10 | dbb | ...my new disk |
| 16:56.12 | Chilaquiles | so then, why ext4 was created if ext3 is already better than ext4 |
| 16:56.28 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: it isnt *better* its *older* |
| 16:56.44 | Chilaquiles | you said is better in stability |
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| 16:57.10 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: something *becomes* stable, it isnt born stable |
| 16:57.19 | karlpinc | Chilaquiles: Anything new is presumed less stable than anything that's been used for years. |
| 16:57.45 | Chilaquiles | oh yes karlpinc, but that would be only an assumption then |
| 16:57.58 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: only *after* ext4 is tested we know if its stable |
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| 16:58.49 | Chilaquiles | so then we assume that ext3 is more stable than ext4 by experience, but we don't know for sure |
| 16:58.53 | Chilaquiles | lol |
| 16:59.00 | Chilaquiles | thats a funny statement btw |
| 16:59.02 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: thats correct |
| 16:59.15 | jhutchins_lt | All of the software that accesses filesystems directly also needs to be able to understand ext4 and work with it correctly. |
| 16:59.25 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: software development isnt a science, its largely empirical |
| 16:59.48 | daemonkeeper | That's proven to be false |
| 16:59.48 | dbb | .. both art and science |
| 16:59.50 | karlpinc | Chilaquiles: I don't think so. We don't know the stability of ext4, so if you care about stability you don't want to use something when you don't know the answer. |
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| 17:00.00 | Chilaquiles | question here: ext4 comes from ext3 right? |
| 17:00.08 | tensorpudding | you can't say something is stable without testing it in a variety of circumstances, and having a variety of people using it is one easy way to do that |
| 17:00.10 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: We know that ext3 has been tested in many different ways, and problems with it have been found and solved. We know that ext4 has not been tested as well, and it is reasonable to assume that problems will be found. |
| 17:00.13 | Chilaquiles | i mean ext3 is the source of ext4 right? |
| 17:00.28 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 17:00.31 | tensorpudding | ext4 is stable enough that lots of people use it without problems |
| 17:00.35 | daemonkeeper | ext2 is the source of ext4 |
| 17:00.42 | daemonkeeper | as is ext2 the source of ext3 |
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| 17:00.47 | Chilaquiles | are you serious? |
| 17:00.50 | daemonkeeper | I am |
| 17:01.12 | tensorpudding | ext3 is based on ext2, the most notable difference is the journal |
| 17:01.17 | Chilaquiles | why they made it like a puzzle! |
| 17:01.27 | karlpinc | Chilaquiles: That's software for you. |
| 17:01.44 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: 1->2->3->4 is a puzzle? |
| 17:01.50 | Chilaquiles | no |
| 17:01.58 | daemonkeeper | There was once ext2, which was later extended (but not essentially changed) and called ext3, basically by adding a journal. This file system was later extended by extents and some other stuff and it was called ext4 |
| 17:02.07 | Chilaquiles | daemonkeeper said 2->4 |
| 17:02.13 | daemonkeeper | ext1, however, is not compatible to ext2+ |
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| 17:03.02 | jhutchins_lt | There are also reiser, jfs, xfs and more. |
| 17:03.13 | Chilaquiles | ohh journal? mmh thats way beyond my knowledge |
| 17:03.22 | Chilaquiles | I need to read about it |
| 17:04.42 | dbb | hmmph now I installed gparted and try to launch it, and it says cant open display 1:0 ... |
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| 17:04.59 | dbb | my attempts at an easy morning are going nowhere fast |
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| 17:05.33 | Chilaquiles | well, one thing is for sure not everything is like wine |
| 17:05.39 | Chilaquiles | the oldest the better |
| 17:05.57 | Chilaquiles | thats why upgrade was invented |
| 17:06.20 | valdyn_ | Chilaquiles: upgrades are for features, hardly ever for stability |
| 17:06.22 | daemonkeeper | You upgrade? We always downgrade from our shiny new Squeeze back to Woody |
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| 17:06.38 | daemonkeeper | Everything before wasn't fun. |
| 17:06.40 | Chilaquiles | I like squeeze |
| 17:06.51 | dbb | no protocol specified... from gparted.. ?? |
| 17:07.01 | valdyn_ | dbb: it needs access to X |
| 17:07.09 | Chilaquiles | sorry guys but I like squeeze because its "less linux" |
| 17:07.17 | dbb | what am I mising valdyn_ ? |
| 17:07.22 | valdyn_ | dbb: if you changed to root via "su", then it wont have access to X |
| 17:07.23 | Chilaquiles | by less linux I mean easier to use |
| 17:07.25 | Chilaquiles | lol |
| 17:07.29 | dbb | ooohhh |
| 17:07.38 | valdyn_ | dbb: you can use sudo or sux |
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| 17:08.30 | Chilaquiles | and I had to install the gnome version because the KDE Debian was failing a lot |
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| 17:09.10 | ZeuZ | Hey all, I'm having an issue with a PCI Linksys WMP11 revision 4 card |
| 17:09.15 | ZeuZ | It gets seen by lspci |
| 17:09.16 | dbb | something is screwy.. I am in a root terminal now and gparted fails... I used sudo gparted before |
| 17:09.19 | ZeuZ | iwconfig doesn't locate it |
| 17:09.24 | ZeuZ | and modules are not autoloaded for it |
| 17:09.30 | Chilaquiles | some programs didn't open, when I selected restart it didn't restart, it just logged out and logged back in |
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| 17:09.47 | ZeuZ | what modules should I be looking at? Is there any open source driver for it right now? |
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| 17:10.40 | ZeuZ | or do I still rely on using the ndiswrapper? |
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| 17:15.53 | ujjain2 | How do I recover a process from background to foreground? |
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| 17:17.03 | epsilon | fg |
| 17:17.36 | ujjain2 | epsilon: no such process |
| 17:17.40 | ujjain2 | http://www.codepad.eu/view/32211098 |
| 17:18.00 | brunoramos | ujjain2, you can check the jobs that you currently have running in the background with: jobs |
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| 17:18.39 | ujjain2 | oh, no jobs in background |
| 17:18.46 | ujjain2 | how come irssi just backgrounded itself then? |
| 17:19.12 | epsilon | how did you start it? |
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| 17:20.32 | ujjain2 | epsilon: irssi from the screen |
| 17:20.39 | ujjain2 | I don't know how I made it go to the background though |
| 17:20.46 | ujjain2 | maybe wrong key combo |
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| 17:21.17 | epsilon | screen -r |
| 17:21.56 | ujjain2 | it's not the screen. |
| 17:22.02 | ujjain2 | I can close and recover the screen, |
| 17:22.04 | ujjain2 | nothing happens |
| 17:22.22 | epsilon | is irssi running anyway? ps aux | grep irssi |
| 17:22.23 | ujjain2 | it's not a screen issue, I somehow did something wrong while in irssi, that made it go to background |
| 17:22.25 | ujjain2 | Yes |
| 17:22.28 | ujjain2 | see codepad |
| 17:22.34 | epsilon | as which command? |
| 17:22.35 | ujjain2 | ujjain < my irssi |
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| 17:22.40 | ujjain2 | 1000 1852 0.1 6.2 105736 31636 pts/1 S+ Jun20 5:48 irssi |
| 17:22.53 | epsilon | no SCREEN process? |
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| 17:23.42 | ujjain | epsilon: there is, somehow on 1 screen, there were multiple windows |
| 17:23.46 | ujjain | I did not know this feature ^^ |
| 17:23.51 | epsilon | starting like screen irssi and then CRTL A-D to detach, screen -r to attach |
| 17:24.36 | epsilon | screen doesn't care from where screen -r is coming |
| 17:24.39 | ujjain | epsilon: please stop it :( I know ur trying to help |
| 17:24.48 | ujjain | but I told you 20 times. |
| 17:24.53 | ujjain | I already tried recovering screen |
| 17:24.55 | ujjain | and it worked fine. |
| 17:24.59 | ujjain | but it did not show irssi |
| 17:25.09 | ujjain | I even did screen -d, to force dettachc |
| 17:25.19 | ujjain | and re-attached, it was a multi-window thing in that same screen |
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| 17:37.44 | nymbda | Hello, i need help |
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| 17:38.02 | sylar | I am trying to burn an image with CD/DVD creator, and it does the impression of burning but it doesn't burn anything |
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| 17:38.27 | sylar | and gnomebaker doesn't show the CD drive |
| 17:38.40 | gnarface | uses cdrecord |
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| 17:39.03 | sylar | cdrecord? |
| 17:39.15 | nymbda | someone speaks Spanish? |
| 17:40.31 | sylar | gnarface, what is the command to burn an image there? |
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| 17:41.38 | gnarface | sylar: changes a lot depending on your hardware. cdrecord -v -dummy -dao -eject speed=52 fs=8m driveropts=burnfree dev=/dev/hdc -swab -data ~gnarface/knoppix.iso |
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| 17:45.43 | Chris___ | which repos do I need to add in sources.list to be able to install sun-java6-j* ? |
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| 17:45.57 | Chris___ | or options do I need to add, rather? |
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| 17:47.07 | Chris___ | nevermind, got it |
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| 17:48.02 | sylar | gnarface, didn't work |
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| 17:48.49 | gnarface | sylar: i recommend you read the man page |
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| 17:54.09 | jhutchins_lt | Could be a group permissions error. |
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| 18:01.48 | sylar | Errno: 5 (Input/output error), write_g1 scsi sendcmd: cmd timeout after 3.051 (200) s |
| 18:01.58 | sylar | I managed to write data disks |
| 18:02.09 | sylar | just this iso image don't work |
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| 18:04.45 | brunoramos | sylar, have you verified the hash of the iso to check if it's really the expected file? |
| 18:05.19 | brunoramos | Usually you have an md5/sha sum in the site ... |
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| 18:06.55 | sylar | brunoramos, yes the image is ok |
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| 18:07.55 | brunoramos | Can you blank the CD? |
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| 18:08.19 | brunoramos | I normally use wodim from the command line |
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| 18:09.59 | brunoramos | wodim -blank=fast |
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| 18:10.15 | brunoramos | That will clean the cd |
| 18:10.35 | brunoramos | that's the first step to check if everything is ok with your setup |
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| 18:12.45 | brunoramos | sylar, if you are able to blank the cd, the next step is to burn the image : wodim debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:12.46 | sylar | brunoramos, it is a CD-R |
| 18:12.53 | brunoramos | ho, ok |
| 18:13.14 | brunoramos | are you sure it's not already used? |
| 18:13.16 | sylar | I found a windows PC with nero |
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| 18:13.27 | sylar | nero burned on the same cd fine |
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| 18:15.37 | moi | exit |
| 18:15.40 | moi | sorry |
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| 18:15.55 | SpeCon | could somebody type in here the symbol â |
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| 18:16.02 | SpeCon | because here, he place a line under it |
| 18:16.10 | SpeCon | i only need the tingy wingy :) |
| 18:16.20 | twobitsprite | SpeCon: this ~ ? |
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| 18:17.33 | s1m | = |
| 18:18.18 | twobitsprite | â |
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| 18:18.47 | DammitJim | man, why am I getting a: no kernel modules were found when I try to install wheezy from an iso I downloaded today? |
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| 18:19.17 | DammitJim | something seems to be wrong with cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
| 18:19.18 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: where in the installer are you getting that? |
| 18:19.53 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: also, those cd images are generated weekly(?) and testing often breaks them |
| 18:20.04 | twobitsprite | I usually just install stable and upgrade to testing |
| 18:21.57 | scampbell | Has anyone here worked with debian-cd to make an iso with non-free firmware on it? |
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| 18:27.20 | DammitJim | twobitsprite, I normally do what you are saying: install squeeze and upgrade to wheezy |
| 18:27.29 | DammitJim | but when I did that today I got a ton of warnings |
| 18:27.31 | DammitJim | I don't like warnings |
| 18:27.31 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 18:27.38 | DammitJim | + my nvidia stuff broke |
| 18:28.07 | DammitJim | I'm getting this error right when it's doing: Load installer components from CD |
| 18:28.32 | DammitJim | it's got to be a mistmatch between the kernel used by the version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive |
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| 18:29.00 | DammitJim | I noticed it went up to 2.6.39-2 or something from 2.6.28-2 |
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| 18:30.39 | iridos | you shouldn't have to do anything, dkms should take care ofit |
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| 18:30.49 | DammitJim | iridos, well, it isn't |
| 18:30.52 | DammitJim | or I'm doing something wrong |
| 18:30.57 | DammitJim | what do you guys suggest I do? |
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| 18:31.25 | iridos | !nvidia dkms |
| 18:31.25 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 18:31.52 | DammitJim | iridos, when I did the dist-upgrade, it broke |
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| 18:36.14 | iridos | well, figure out what exactly broke and why |
| 18:36.31 | DammitJim | where? on my dist-upgrade? |
| 18:36.39 | DammitJim | or on the new installation with the new iso? |
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| 18:47.20 | patrik83 | hi, I wanna ask how to set the number of times to try authantification. I have added libpam_fprint using pam-auth-update. Everything works fine, but I would like to configure libpam_fprint to try 3 times fingerprint reader and than as a fallback would be to type the password. Thank you very much indeed. |
| 18:48.38 | twobitsprite | authantification? |
| 18:48.54 | twobitsprite | :P |
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| 18:49.53 | patrik83 | twobitsprite: authentication |
| 18:50.04 | patrik83 | twobitsprite: ;) |
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| 19:19.56 | wols_ | stoerenungeheuer: disable that please |
| 19:20.44 | rypervenche | He was already kicked from #ubuntu for it lol. |
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| 19:25.56 | iridos | well... fitting nick |
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| 19:26.05 | iridos | s/fitting/suitable/ |
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| 19:40.27 | abrotman | !flw |
| 19:40.27 | dpkg | <snadge> i want to create a version of debian that violates as many patents as possible, and is crammed full of non free software and warez.. call it debian warez edition. what do you think? :P |
| 19:40.45 | mauve_alert | help! I'm out of space on my /dev/sda1 and don't know how to clear it up |
| 19:41.15 | themill | mauve_alert: have you tried deleting some of your porn collection? |
| 19:41.19 | MrFrood | mauve_alert: man rm |
| 19:41.32 | mauve_alert | HA! |
| 19:41.44 | mauve_alert | I'm not sure what's on sda1 |
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| 19:42.14 | themill | mauve_alert: can you pastebin the output of "df -h" for us? |
| 19:42.22 | mauve_alert | okay |
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| 19:43.56 | mauve_alert | someone please tell me about the pastebin |
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| 19:44.19 | themill | mauve_alert: paste.debian.net |
| 19:44.29 | Stava | How do I generate an ssl certificate for apache? I read a guide that suggests apache2-ssl-certificate, but i dont seem to have that script |
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| 19:45.36 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate, |
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| 19:45.39 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:45.40 | dpkg | somebody said apache2-ssl-certificate was no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from package 'ssl-cert' instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/398520, or make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
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| 19:45.46 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 19:45.46 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 19:45.51 | mauve_alert | http://paste.debian.net/120771 << output of df -h |
| 19:45.54 | Stava | thanks |
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| 19:46.14 | Stava | Also, should I generate an ssl certificate for each (virtual) host, or is it just for each IP-address? |
| 19:46.32 | themill | mauve_alert: you might like to run "apt-get clean" which will get rid of any downloaded .debs from the cache, that will help for starters. |
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| 19:46.58 | mauve_alert | That cleared .2G |
| 19:47.04 | mauve_alert | thanks |
| 19:47.17 | themill | that's interesting looking partitioning.... |
| 19:47.33 | mauve_alert | not my design themill, |
| 19:47.50 | themill | mauve_alert: you can also see if you've got any ununsed kernels kicking around that you don't need: "aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i" |
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| 19:48.15 | somiaj | Stava: depends on the cert you buy, but for the most part you will run into issues trying to share certs across virt domains -- since the cert is tied to the domain you buy it for |
| 19:49.11 | Stava | somiaj, alright |
| 19:49.28 | somiaj | Stava: you can buy a cert that covers all subdomains, i.e. a *.domain.com cert, but I haven't seen many certs that will cover both foo.com and bar.com -- note for encryption reasons you can use the same cert -- but browers will usually tell the user the cert is owned by another domain and you shouldn't use it |
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| 19:49.45 | mauve_alert | http://paste.debian.net/120772 results of aptitude search ~nlinus-image~i |
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| 19:50.16 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 19:50.44 | themill | mauve_alert: I imagine you're not using the 2.6.17 kernel any more. You might want to upgrade that box to a supported release of debian too while you're working on it. |
| 19:50.57 | Stava | somiaj, well i was just going to generate snakeoil certs for each domain for the moment |
| 19:51.04 | mauve_alert | how can I tell which kernel I'm using? |
| 19:51.48 | Nebukadneza | does anyone happen to know of a small http webserver that i can start on the commandline, that will then serve the CWD aaaand - that supports php |
| 19:51.49 | somiaj | mauve_alert: uname -a |
| 19:52.09 | mauve_alert | it is using 2.6 kernel - looks I have more work to do |
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| 19:52.40 | somiaj | Stava: yea I see ssl certs as a racket -- espcailly if you want encryption on hundereds of domains but don't care to much about the authentication part. |
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| 19:55.27 | mauve_alert | Thanks themill |
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| 19:57.04 | Stava | Is there any significant difference between a certificate generated by openssl and make-ssl-cert? |
| 19:57.24 | thinice | Certificate is a certificate |
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| 19:57.56 | thinice | man make-ssl-cert ;) |
| 19:58.04 | thinice | 'wrapper for openssl' |
| 19:58.17 | Stava | oh, i didnt see that |
| 19:58.27 | npoektop | hi! after i intstalled ossec, i have problems with reboot. When i do # reboot, it says smth like stopping services, going to reboot. But it doesn't even shut down xorg. After second # reboot it works like hardware reboot. How to fix it? |
| 19:58.48 | Stava | thanks for the help |
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| 20:22.02 | project2501a | hey guys, i am reading about d-i. how is it possible to not install a kernel? what would be the usage of installing a brand new system without a kernel? |
| 20:22.12 | pipeline | project2501a: chroot |
| 20:22.35 | project2501a | i apologize for being thick-headed, but i do not see what you mean. |
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| 20:24.02 | project2501a | pipeline: can you please explain a bit more? |
| 20:24.59 | pipeline | project2501a: google chroot |
| 20:25.06 | iridos | also perhaps virtual systems? |
| 20:25.26 | iridos | I mean xen-type |
| 20:25.33 | iridos | dunno, never set one up |
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| 20:25.59 | project2501a | pipeline: i know what chroot is, i just don't understand what does it have to do about not installing a kernel |
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| 20:26.29 | project2501a | CutMyOwnThroat: nah, the guest os would never have access to the host os |
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| 20:28.24 | iridos | well... obviously the chroot wouldn't need one... but I don't see why you'd use the installer for installing the files for a chroot |
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| 20:50.56 | project2501a | iridos: I do not see it either, maybe pipeline can enlighten us |
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| 21:11.44 | jelly-home | debootstrap has other uses that just installing a whole OS |
| 21:11.54 | jelly-home | than* |
| 21:12.09 | omes | jelly-home: indeed :) |
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| 21:13.57 | project2501a | jelly-home: what would some of those be, please? |
| 21:14.02 | project2501a | what should i read? |
| 21:14.08 | jelly-home | <pipeline> project2501a: chroot |
| 21:14.12 | jelly-home | :-D |
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| 21:14.23 | project2501a | man, i'm thick. i don't get how. |
| 21:14.38 | project2501a | ok, i will go back to reading d-i |
| 21:15.00 | jelly-home | ignoring d-i; you can setup a separate debian chroot with just debootstrap |
| 21:15.14 | jelly-home | that's what it does |
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| 21:16.58 | jelly-home | project2501a: but you're installing actual machines so that doesn't matter for you right now I guess |
| 21:18.04 | project2501a | jelly-home: ok, i will learn about that later. let me try to understand d-i and FAI by saturday morning. |
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| 21:19.29 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 21:19.32 | zwall | irssi ; zsh |
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| 21:19.48 | scampbell | another reason for no kernel installs is for systems that boot of net or other media, fyi |
| 21:19.56 | lenswipe | i have 2 monitors operating in xinerama, however i cant get compiz to work with xinerama meaning that docky will no longer work properly |
| 21:20.07 | lenswipe | anyone know how to get compiz + xinerama to play nice? |
| 21:20.17 | lenswipe | i cant belive im the only person having this issue |
| 21:22.33 | lenswipe | guys? |
| 21:22.37 | lenswipe | xinerama + compiz? |
| 21:23.14 | jelly-home | patience is not someone's stronger side |
| 21:23.35 | lenswipe | hmm |
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| 21:32.09 | nikhatzi | hello people... does anyone know how to change the default shell for crontab? i edited the config of crontab to use /bin/bash but doesn't take any effect... |
| 21:32.49 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: why do you think that it does not take any effect? |
| 21:33.13 | nikhatzi | because every time i execute a cronjob, i get this: /bin/sh: Syntax error: end of file unexpected |
| 21:33.23 | nikhatzi | and in the job info its shell is /bin/sh |
| 21:33.33 | nikhatzi | even though i configured crontab to use /bin/bash :/ |
| 21:33.42 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: where is that job? |
| 21:33.43 | jelly-home | nikhatzi: your script has... invalid syntax |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: and where exactly did you put /bin/bash ? |
| 21:34.09 | nikhatzi | the job is at my home directory. as for the script, it's just a plain command that works perfectly under bash |
| 21:34.25 | jelly-home | nikhatzi: a loop or an if or case clause is opened but neved closed |
| 21:34.28 | nikhatzi | valdyn_, /etc/crontab |
| 21:34.36 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: theres maybe a shell script in your home directory, but theres *no* cronjob in your home directory |
| 21:35.01 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: so im asking where is the cronjob defined? |
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| 21:35.24 | nikhatzi | the script is /home/nikhatzi/crontab.txt. then, i ran "crontab crontab.txt" |
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| 21:35.36 | nikhatzi | the job is fine, i see it with "crontab -l" |
| 21:35.47 | nikhatzi | but i need to execute the job using bash, NOT sh |
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| 21:36.09 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: crontab -e, add SHELL=/bin/bash |
| 21:36.30 | jelly-home | $deity that is not an optimal approach |
| 21:36.30 | nikhatzi | at the beginning of the script? |
| 21:36.52 | jelly-home | nikhatzi: pastebin your script and your "crontab -l" |
| 21:37.21 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: at the beginning of your crontab that you see with crontab -e |
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| 21:38.22 | nikhatzi | one moment please |
| 21:38.25 | jelly-home | valdyn_: let him just put the correct interpreter in the script #! line and make it executable and run it that way |
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| 21:38.52 | caravel | hello there |
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| 21:40.16 | nikhatzi | 38 0 * * * /usr/bin/mysqldump -uroot -p******** --all-databases | gzip -9 -c > /home/nikhatzi/sql_backups/server.$(date +%d%m%Y).sql.gz |
| 21:40.18 | nikhatzi | this is my script |
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| 21:40.42 | nikhatzi | if i run the command in bash i get the expected result |
| 21:40.44 | caravel | Can `find` or `locate`be used to list entries which were given ACL properties ? I could do some regexp in the idea of `ls / -laR | grep '+ '` but well, doesn't sound ideal :) |
| 21:40.55 | nikhatzi | within crontab, even with bash i get error :( |
| 21:41.18 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: put the whole command into a seperate script, call the script from your crontab |
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| 21:41.31 | nikhatzi | regular .sh script? |
| 21:41.36 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: yea |
| 21:41.45 | nikhatzi | and the cron parameters as it is now? |
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| 21:42.10 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: yea |
| 21:42.15 | nikhatzi | ok, let me check |
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| 21:42.35 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: and whatever shebang on top of that .sh |
| 21:43.08 | ansgar | nikhatzi: Passing passwords via command line parameters is not a good idea. Anyone with access to the system can see them. |
| 21:43.31 | nikhatzi | i know ;) |
| 21:43.33 | ompaul | ansgar: to root on the system but then ... |
| 21:43.40 | nikhatzi | it's safe for my case |
| 21:43.41 | ompaul | as long as you lock down the box |
| 21:44.32 | nikhatzi | now i get this: /bin/sh: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 21:44.34 | ansgar | Well, one can just do it right. It's not too complicated. |
| 21:44.55 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: why didnt you set it to bash yet? |
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| 21:45.38 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: #!/bin/bash on top of the .sh file |
| 21:45.40 | nikhatzi | i did in the script... should i add and the SHELL= command too along with #!/bin/bash? |
| 21:45.45 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: no |
| 21:45.54 | nikhatzi | i just pub #!/bin/bash :S |
| 21:45.57 | nikhatzi | put* |
| 21:46.05 | nikhatzi | and the command below |
| 21:46.11 | nikhatzi | got the above error |
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| 21:48.10 | valdyn_ | nikhatzi: show us the files... |
| 21:48.26 | ansgar | nikhatzi: Maybe you added a new line somewhere? |
| 21:48.42 | nikhatzi | nope... checked that too :( |
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| 21:49.19 | BRICKS1984 | you guys think this book is outdated ? http://www.amazon.com/Running-Linux-Matthias-Kalle-Dalheimer/dp/0596007604/ref=pd_sim_b_6 |
| 21:50.21 | nikhatzi | ok it worked... |
| 21:50.31 | nikhatzi | replaced "(" with " ' " |
| 21:50.48 | valdyn_ | BRICKS1984: from the topics that seem to be dealt with in this book its probably not outdated |
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| 21:52.34 | valdyn_ | BRICKS1984: you cant write a book about linux that would not be outdated to some extent |
| 21:52.57 | BRICKS1984 | ah |
| 21:53.21 | valdyn_ | BRICKS1984: wish i knew what youre looking for really though |
| 21:53.30 | valdyn_ | BRICKS1984: books like this one are extremely broad |
| 21:53.47 | BRICKS1984 | valdyn_, i just wanna learn the basics, man. |
| 21:54.02 | valdyn_ | BRICKS1984: to vague |
| 21:54.05 | th0r | BRICKS1984: check out the linux documentation project....tldp.org |
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| 21:54.36 | BRICKS1984 | th0r, thank you |
| 21:54.46 | karlpinc | BRICKS1984: Anything against the debian reference manual? |
| 21:54.48 | valdyn_ | in hindsight i would probably just get a book about linux bash scripting |
| 21:55.01 | BRICKS1984 | karlpinc, nope |
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| 21:56.09 | karlpinc | !rg |
| 21:56.32 | karlpinc | !reference |
| 21:56.32 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 21:57.36 | GuySoft | hey, i just upgraded and got the pae kernel packages installed, do i want them? i have an intel i3 core |
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| 21:58.06 | valdyn_ | GuySoft: depends on your amount of ram |
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| 21:58.17 | GuySoft | valdyn_, i have 4gb of ram |
| 21:58.19 | themill | GuySoft: yes, you want them |
| 21:58.30 | GuySoft | themill, what does it do? |
| 21:58.41 | valdyn_ | GuySoft: id say maybe you want them |
| 21:59.04 | babilen | GuySoft: You can also install an amd64 kernel, but -pae kernels are standard in newer debian versions. Which version have you upgraded to? |
| 21:59.05 | themill | valdyn_: he doesn't want a 486 kernel, so he wants 686-pae... |
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| 21:59.52 | GuySoft | babilen, i am using 32bit because the userspace is 32bit. and Nvidia goes insane if you install it with a 64bit kernel and a 32bit userspace |
| 22:00.12 | GuySoft | babilen, i am on sid, so its rollback |
| 22:00.20 | valdyn_ | themill: do all -686 have pae now? |
| 22:00.58 | themill | valdyn_: as of a couple of months ago; /msg dpkg 686-pae |
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| 22:02.25 | babilen | GuySoft: In that case: Yes you want -pae :) (note that we have a wonderful channel (#debian-next) over on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid support) |
| 22:02.53 | jelly-home | wonderful? |
| 22:03.04 | babilen | indeed |
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| 22:03.14 | valdyn_ | themill: i dont get it, -686 without pae still seems to be not obsolete |
| 22:03.17 | jelly-home | fails to see it |
| 22:03.34 | GuySoft | ok, thanks babilen |
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| 22:04.17 | babilen | GuySoft: You might also be interested in the <686-pae> factoid that themill just mentioned. |
| 22:04.58 | themill | valdyn_: you'll find that there are no linux-image-2.6.39-2-686 packages around |
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| 22:05.12 | GuySoft | themill, ok.. i will, thanks |
| 22:05.23 | valdyn_ | themill: alright, i was looking at squeeze |
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| 22:11.10 | ompaul | Juniper, juniper, juniper, my juniper, In the garden there's the berry, my raspberry. |
| 22:11.52 | ompaul | qwoops |
| 22:11.57 | homie | anyone's on weed ? |
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| 22:11.59 | ompaul | sorry |
| 22:12.00 | homie | lol |
| 22:12.03 | amphi | indeed |
| 22:12.07 | amphi | ;) |
| 22:12.14 | Black_Prince | How high are you? |
| 22:12.48 | ompaul | wrong network forget about channel |
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| 22:12.48 | Black_Prince | *cough* |
| 22:12.56 | ompaul | Black_Prince: see other network |
| 22:13.09 | Black_Prince | Yeah |
| 22:13.12 | Black_Prince | I've seen it :P |
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| 22:13.57 | homie | ompaul is high heels |
| 22:14.00 | homie | lol |
| 22:14.50 | ompaul | homie: eh no it fits into a different conversation about stuff called music in several variants (that is a famous russian song translated) |
| 22:15.18 | homie | ah |
| 22:15.22 | ompaul | not considers self to be very off-topic |
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| 22:15.50 | amphi | fairly off-grammar though |
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| 22:18.32 | caravel | Can `find` or `locate`be used to list entries which were given ACL properties ? I could do some regexp in the idea of `ls / -laR | grep '+ '` but well, doesn't sound ideal :) |
| 22:19.09 | caravel | Note: on zOS one can do things like : find . -acl_entry user:Billy -o -acl_entry d:u:Billy -o -acl_entry f:u:Billy |
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| 22:19.21 | caravel | http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/topic/com.ibm.zos.r9.bpxa500/bpxza580939.htm#wq1180 |
| 22:19.41 | caravel | but I can't find any similar thing in man find |
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| 22:20.47 | caravel | find: unknown predicate `-acl_entry' |
| 22:21.11 | caravel | (well, as expected) |
| 22:21.16 | TimmyT | may anyone give me a sample of fstab in debian 6. cuz I have to rebulid it and i need a model |
| 22:22.46 | caravel | TimmyT: this was 5 upgraded to 6, if it helps: |
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| 22:24.20 | caravel | TimmyT: http://fpaste.org/h6BW/ |
| 22:24.41 | caravel | TimmyT: note that it's all luks |
| 22:25.12 | TimmyT | caravel: tnx dude :) |
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| 22:28.30 | karlpinc | caravel: You could: find . -exec ls -dal \{\} \; | grep ... |
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| 22:39.17 | caravel | karlpinc: thanks for your answer ^^ that brings the full path indeed :) but that's it, right ? no other support of acl for such thing ? |
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| 22:40.09 | caravel | wonders how people manage ACL in real world |
| 22:40.51 | caravel | wonders if ACL is used at all :/ |
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| 22:41.11 | itchi | Hi guys, i need some of your lights... Need to use "ffset" to disable some electronic spring on a joystick. If i run it with root ffset is ok. With normal user i get Access denied. I have added me to the powerdev then it's ok but i'm not sure. Maybe did i give to much rights? |
| 22:41.25 | itchi | caravel: It is in Plone :P |
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| 22:42.53 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 22:43.03 | itchi | How can i get more info about a user group? I Mean details about which rights it give exactly? |
| 22:43.13 | ragnar76 | doeas anyone knows a program like minicom for gtk? |
| 22:43.26 | abrotman | minicom inside gnome-terminal ? |
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| 22:44.17 | poisonbit | itchi, find / -group "$group" ? |
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| 22:44.47 | caravel | itchi: :D http://www.plone.fr/documentation/documentation-integrateur/ |
| 22:44.59 | TimmyT | dist-upgrade or upgrade to debian testing fails. it's the report: http://pastebin.com/g1Jk1vZa |
| 22:45.09 | itchi | caravel: hehe :D |
| 22:45.11 | TimmyT | what's its problem? |
| 22:45.25 | pseudonymous | Kind of embaressing, but I can't for the love of me - mount a simple cd such that I have sufficient rights to read it http://pastebin.com/e8BiDm9P is the command I'm using - it *always* returns root:utmp with rights rwx------ irrespective of the mount options I add |
| 22:46.08 | streuner | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 22:46.08 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 22:46.32 | themill | TimmyT: the output of "apt-cache policy; aptitude search ~h" might be interesting to see. |
| 22:46.36 | streuner | someone prolly forget pinning too :-) |
| 22:46.57 | streuner | TimmyT: please show us your sources.list too |
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| 22:50.49 | TimmyT | streuner: http://pastebin.com/ep9Av7hT |
| 22:51.46 | TimmyT | themill: http://pastebin.com/r9rCgGAu |
| 22:51.49 | itchi | streuner: How can i get details of the rights of the powerdev group? |
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| 22:55.17 | themill | TimmyT: gah... that should be "aptitude search ~ahold" |
| 22:55.55 | TimmyT | themill: empty |
| 22:55.58 | streuner | TimmyT: is there a clear concept what kind of branch you want running at all? |
| 22:56.14 | TimmyT | themill: I mean it doesn't report anything |
| 22:56.47 | TimmyT | streuner: what do you mean branch? |
| 22:57.07 | streuner | TimmyT: stable/testing/unstable |
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| 22:57.21 | brokenX | hrmm |
| 22:57.26 | TimmyT | streuner: testing |
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| 22:58.56 | TimmyT | streuner: im on old-sid ( i mean i've downloaded them many weeks ago) and im going to upgrade it to testing |
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| 22:59.42 | TimmyT | themill: any suggest? |
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| 23:01.27 | streuner | TimmyT: just dont use pinning and have a *CLEAR* sources.list (one entry for testing is enough) |
| 23:01.46 | themill | TimmyT: you should probably get rid of everything except wheezy out of your sources.list and then see if you can get apt to behave. Then if you really need it, add sid back with sensible pinning (/msg dpkg tum) |
| 23:02.10 | streuner | "sensible pinning"? :-) |
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| 23:04.53 | streuner | pinning is a great idea, but it usually doesnt work well for most people |
| 23:04.53 | adminewb | powernowd man page and elsewhere prominently claims to govern both CPU clock rate and core voltage (updating both at the same moment presumably), yet I can find no documentation on how the Vcore settings are controlled; someone know where to look? too bad today google is decidedly unfriendly |
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| 23:11.59 | biberao2 | hi |
| 23:12.08 | abrotman | runs away |
| 23:12.38 | biberao2 | anyone knows what does it mean msdos when doing fdisk its like part of linux partition? |
| 23:12.38 | biberao2 | ? |
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| 23:13.05 | pipeline | biberao2: the disklabel is MS-DOS format |
| 23:13.12 | pipeline | biberao2: as opposed to, say, IRIX or BSD or Solaris format |
| 23:13.28 | pipeline | biberao2: fdisk will generate other types of disklabel if you ask it nicely, but you certainly want an ms-dos disklabel |
| 23:13.34 | biberao2 | but ive seen once in a site that i missed now that it was kinda of extended |
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| 23:14.18 | biberao2 | pipeline ive seen something hd0,msdos |
| 23:14.23 | lapsusbrutus | Anyone installed dropbox on squeeze |
| 23:14.25 | lapsusbrutus | ? |
| 23:14.54 | streuner | , versions dropbox |
| 23:14.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'dropbox' was found in i386. |
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| 23:15.49 | streuner | lapsusbrutus: what is dropbox at all? |
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| 23:17.28 | zapadlo | lapsusbrutus I'm running one on wheezy |
| 23:17.33 | themill | !dropbox |
| 23:17.33 | dpkg | Dropbox is a web-based file hosting service, using cloud computing to store/share files. The closed source dropbox.com client is a mess of copyright violations and cannot be distributed by Debian (see Debian bug #610257). The open source <Nautilus> plugin is packaged for Debian as nautilus-dropbox in <testing> (i386 and amd64 only), ask me about <non-free sources>. |
| 23:17.34 | biberao2 | im tired byebye |
| 23:17.47 | zapadlo | biberao2 Bye! |
| 23:18.26 | lapsusbrutus | must have libnautilus-extension1 >= 1:2.22.2 Well my bro wants me to join and install to get mor space n his own. I dont use it, but its for sharing photos and stuff from where ever. |
| 23:18.55 | zapadlo | You don't have to install it to join |
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| 23:19.55 | lapsusbrutus | well not to join, but for it to be rigistered, it needs to be installed it seems |
| 23:20.11 | streuner | judd, versions libnautilus-extension1 |
| 23:20.12 | judd | Package libnautilus-extension1 on i386 -- lenny: 2.20.0-7; squeeze: 2.30.1-2squeeze1; sid: 2.30.1-3; wheezy: 2.30.1-3 |
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| 23:20.37 | themill | lapsusbrutus: stop trying to use ubuntu packages with debian. |
| 23:20.39 | zapadlo | Not for your invitee to benefit from the promotion |
| 23:20.51 | zapadlo | I use: http://www.getdropbox.com/download?plat=lnx.x86 |
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| 23:24.20 | lapsusbrutus | ohh crap true.. its for ubuntu.. just saw the .deb file extension. ok Ill update to wheezy then, any cons? less stable I guess but "Stable" is reaally stable.. I can handle a crash ones in a while :p |
| 23:25.17 | streuner | the package isnt in Debian... |
| 23:25.23 | zapadlo | lapsusbrutus Just build it, easier then upgrading for a single package |
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| 23:26.13 | streuner | so its just luck, if you get it working |
| 23:26.31 | themill | streuner: umm... what are you on about? |
| 23:26.36 | zapadlo | In fact you don't even need to build it |
| 23:26.36 | fenugreek | Ubuntu uses .deb, too, of course |
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| 23:26.55 | streuner | fe j |
| 23:27.10 | streuner | fenugreek: sure, but its a different distro |
| 23:27.36 | zapadlo | With incompatible binaries |
| 23:27.42 | streuner | true |
| 23:27.50 | Vasistha | as of lenny, does apt-get use the same backend as aptitude? I am noticing that dpkg recommends using apt-get rather than aptitude for a lenny->squeeze upgrade |
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| 23:28.24 | tharkun | Vasistha: know isue that apt-get sometimes fails misserably on that particular case |
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| 23:28.34 | streuner | themill: we support Debian and *NOT* LFS... |
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| 23:29.00 | themill | streuner: so why do we tell people "make a simple sid backport" all the time? |
| 23:29.02 | epsilon | lfs? |
| 23:29.10 | themill | tharkun: itym aptitude |
| 23:29.10 | Vasistha | tharkun: uh, thanks for inspiring confidence. care to elaborate? |
| 23:29.12 | streuner | dpkg, lfs |
| 23:29.12 | dpkg | i guess lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or the Log-structured File System in NetBSD |
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| 23:29.46 | streuner | themill: ssb is a Debian way to make newer packages |
| 23:29.50 | extraclassic | i tried installing a deb file using dpkg -i...it failed due to unmet dependencies..when I try to install those, it's still trying to install the first package and apt-get -f install won't work as suggested |
| 23:30.08 | tharkun | themill: i tried apt-get when updating from lenny to squeeze and it fell on an infinite loop several times. Aptitude did the trick IIRC |
| 23:30.10 | themill | streuner: right... and that's exactly what we've been saying here while you've been rambling on about who knows what. |
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| 23:30.15 | lapsusbrutus | zapadlo: ive been thinking of moving to wheezy for a while.. probably better for desktop |
| 23:30.20 | Vasistha | extraclassic: yeah, you shouldn't be doing it that way :-) is there some reason you are using dpkg to install instead of aptitude? |
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| 23:30.46 | themill | tharkun: more likely the other way around, hence the release notes and dpkg saying to use apt-get not aptitude |
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| 23:30.56 | tharkun | Vasistha: Let me clear some thoughts with themill he is more experienced than myself while dealing with apt-get and aptitude. The local perl expert |
| 23:30.56 | extraclassic | Vasistha: I read it somewhere once and was easy to remember...I'd do whatever is optimal |
| 23:31.11 | Vasistha | tharkun: thanks I am watching ;) |
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| 23:31.27 | zapadlo | lapsusbrutus Ok, well then you know what you are doing |
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| 23:31.45 | themill | tharkun: it's relatively easy to get aptitude to uninstall most of the system (including itself) while doing lenny->squeeze. |
| 23:32.03 | Vasistha | extraclassic: what's best is if you can restrict yourself to only installing things that are in the repo, then you won't have to use dpkg at all or deal with dependencies. What are you trying to install? |
| 23:32.08 | adminewb | powernowd man page claims to govern CPU clock rate and core voltage (presumably updating both at the same moment), yet I can find no documentation on how the Vcore settings are controlled; someone know where to look? too bad google is decidedly unfriendly |
| 23:32.15 | tharkun | themill: bingo! ok i believe you now. I also fubared that one |
| 23:32.31 | themill | :) |
| 23:33.05 | extraclassic | Vasistha: I was trying to test something in a VM called OpenEMR, which isn't in a repository |
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| 23:34.17 | extraclassic | it's actually a terrible program |
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| 23:35.45 | Vasistha | extraclassic: ahha. yeah, I should have guessed in the beginning. Well anyway, the issue is that openemr.deb is still marked for installation -- it's partially installed, and whenever you use dpkg it's going to check on its state and go "oh I was trying to install openemr, let's see if we can finish that" |
| 23:35.47 | walthari | português |
| 23:35.47 | walthari | â¼ |
| 23:35.47 | walthari | galego |
| 23:35.47 | walthari | inglês |
| 23:35.47 | walthari | â¼ |
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| 23:36.24 | streuner | galego? |
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| 23:36.35 | walthari | sorry |
| 23:36.36 | tharkun | language spoken in Galicia Spain |
| 23:36.41 | streuner | oh |
| 23:36.51 | tharkun | !tell walthari es |
| 23:37.01 | tharkun | !tell walthari about es |
| 23:37.04 | walthari | When I try to play a song in mp3blaster, I get: failed to open sound device. | I'm using debian lenny. |
| 23:37.08 | extraclassic | Vasistha: I just fixed it by doing apt-get update before apt-get -f install |
| 23:37.22 | Vasistha | extraclassic: so you've got two options: you can try and fulfill all of its dependencies (you may be able to find them via aptitude in the debian repos) or you can remove it. using apt-get -f is pretty highly discouraged. |
| 23:37.36 | walthari | any tips? |
| 23:37.44 | tharkun | walthari: you could upgrade to squeeze and retry |
| 23:37.49 | Vasistha | extraclassic: when you use -f it forces it to try to install even if dependencies are unmet. if it works, the program may not work properly |
| 23:37.49 | fenugreek | streuner: probably why it has a different name |
| 23:38.00 | lapsusbrutus | zapadlo:you happen to know where to find a good howto for upgrading? i guess sudo perl -pi -e 's/squeeze/wheezy/' /etc/apt/sources.list is a good place start.. and then a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or something? |
| 23:38.16 | walthari | thanks tharkun |
| 23:38.20 | tharkun | np |
| 23:38.37 | streuner | walthari: you get the same error with mpg321? |
| 23:38.41 | extraclassic | Vasistha: when I tried fulfilling the dependencies it was stuck in a loop |
| 23:38.44 | streuner | hm, gone |
| 23:38.45 | adminewb | Vcore control in powernowd someone? |
| 23:39.14 | zapadlo | lapsusbrutus Yep |
| 23:39.35 | Vasistha | extraclassic: ah. well maybe you did the right thing. one thing you might to is go into aptitude and see what the package's status is now. if it is install but has some issue, then aptitude might indicate that. |
| 23:39.52 | zapadlo | I literally did that, just double check your sources.list and remove any third parties for now, they have a tendancy of breaking |
| 23:40.00 | zapadlo | Re-enable them after the upgrade |
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| 23:42.33 | lapsusbrutus | zapadlo: ok, thanks Ill do that, but tomorrow soon 2 am |
| 23:42.44 | lapsusbrutus | gn everybady |
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| 23:43.12 | streuner | tharkun: are you spanish? |
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| 23:43.21 | tharkun | streuner: no |
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| 23:44.39 | tharkun | One of my neighbors was born in Galicia and we did talk about their language and culture. |
| 23:44.49 | streuner | hm |
| 23:45.14 | tharkun | yo non falo galego ( I do not speak galician) that is all i remember of the language |
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| 23:47.12 | adminewb | Vcore control in powernowd someone? |
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| 23:47.17 | streuner | tharkun: La Gomera should be nice, i was never in spain :-( |
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| 23:47.56 | streuner | adminewb: sounds like vmware? |
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| 23:48.36 | adminewb | not there yet streuner; powernowd man page claims to govern CPU clock rate and core voltage (presumably updating both at the same moment), yet I can find no documentation on how the Vcore settings are controlled; someone know where to look? too bad google is decidedly unfriendly |
| 23:49.08 | adminewb | at some point maybe I can get vmware player running... |
| 23:49.25 | adminewb | if I can get CPU voltage / temp under control |
| 23:50.06 | adminewb | system is now busy overheating itself |
| 23:50.21 | tharkun | adminewb: I am not familiar with the scenario. But shouldn't it be part of the host OS to control that and not the various guests? |
| 23:50.46 | adminewb | I'm not talking about vm's or guests, this is a debian 6.0 host |
| 23:51.07 | tharkun | adminewb: is acpid installed? |
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| 23:51.30 | adminewb | apparently not |
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| 23:51.57 | tharkun | adminewb: I usually use that to control temp on my laptop. I do not see why not use it on your server |
| 23:51.58 | adminewb | oh my mistake, acpid is a daemon |
| 23:52.15 | tharkun | yes dpkg -l|grep acpi |
| 23:52.39 | adminewb | yes that package is present |
| 23:52.49 | adminewb | also has a process active |
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| 23:53.09 | tharkun | acpi -V should tell you what is going on and how things are setted up |
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| 23:53.34 | adminewb | using powernowd to try controlling it from user space, but no documentation on control of Vcore |
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| 23:54.40 | adminewb | can't either figure out why it's pegging clock rate at 2.1GHz when the work load should be telling it to run 1.0GHz |
| 23:55.02 | streuner | sounds like a total damaged PSU |
| 23:55.26 | adminewb | power supply? why so? |
| 23:55.30 | tharkun | top should tell you that. Last time i had that problem it was a breaking attempt to root from one rouge user |
| 23:55.35 | streuner | gets only different Vcore results, when the PSU is totally damaged |
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| 23:58.22 | blackshirt | now, finally my debian could play a sound :d |
| 23:58.34 | adminewb | well that answered part of my confusion... shutting down a nice'd process that took up all idle cpu capacity also scaled back the clock rate, though powernowd shouldn't have been counting nice priorities as contributing to work load |
| 23:59.23 | adminewb | when cpu clock was reduced, so did Vcore follow, but it could go lower still and run stably |
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