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| 00:00.51 | bzrk | mdadm --create -l 5 or 6 -n number of drives /dev/sdforbarbaz |
| 00:01.11 | bmoloney | bzrk: incredibly annoying when trying to compile software written for the standard name |
| 00:01.29 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: this should create new superblocks on the drives and leave the data untouched |
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| 00:01.42 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: but this is HIGHLY unrecommended |
| 00:01.57 | themill | bmoloney: actually, they appear to be completely different projects |
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| 00:02.28 | thewanderer1m | bzrk, yeah well, not much ideas right now |
| 00:02.36 | themill | ,info libpcre++0 |
| 00:02.37 | judd | Package libpcre++0 (libs, extra) in squeeze/i386: C++ wrapper class for pcre (runtime). Version: 0.9.5-5; Size: 20.0k; Installed: 84k; Homepage: http://www.daemon.de/PCRE |
| 00:02.38 | themill | ,info libpcrecpp0 |
| 00:02.39 | judd | Package libpcrecpp0 (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - C++ runtime files. Version: 8.02-1.1; Size: 105.4k; Installed: 180k |
| 00:02.40 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: yeah i guessed, so it might be worth a shot |
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| 00:03.33 | lulzyboy | hi guys |
| 00:03.42 | lulzyboy | ive just swapped machines around, everythings working except networking |
| 00:03.47 | lulzyboy | how can i get debian to find my network card |
| 00:04.31 | bmoloney | themill: that would explain a lot, but when I searched for pcre++ I was only finding references to debain and ubuntu packages. Thanks! I feel dumb :( |
| 00:04.42 | bzrk | lulzyboy: you probably need to load a firmware |
| 00:05.04 | lulzyboy | no ive had this machine on the same install |
| 00:05.05 | themill | bmoloney: no worries |
| 00:05.08 | lulzyboy | i swapped it while i temp fixed it |
| 00:05.25 | lulzyboy | but now ive put it back its showing no wired networks: disconnected |
| 00:05.26 | jhutchins | lulzyboy: What card? |
| 00:05.36 | themill | lulzyboy: is the device in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 00:06.29 | lulzyboy | i see a bunch of random devices that dont exist using ifconfig |
| 00:06.32 | lulzyboy | but not the connected one |
| 00:06.40 | thewanderer1m | wjat flag is for metadat version? |
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| 00:07.00 | themill | lulzyboy: perhaps you can pastebin that output |
| 00:07.27 | lulzyboy | cant paste anything cuz i have no network access on it |
| 00:07.50 | thewanderer1m | mdadm --create. how to set metadata to 0.9? |
| 00:08.11 | thewanderer1m | I can't access manuals or anything here, really |
| 00:08.43 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: -e |
| 00:08.58 | bzrk | or --metadata= |
| 00:09.01 | themill | lulzyboy: hmm... are you sure that the device isn't listed there? |
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| 00:09.12 | lulzyboy | yeah theres a bunch of stuff |
| 00:09.28 | lulzyboy | my networking seems to be a bit screwed even when i clear /etc/networking |
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| 00:10.14 | themill | lulzyboy: it would help if you provided more detailed and precise information. What devices *are* listed there? |
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| 00:11.28 | tehrabbitt_ | Quick question, I'm running squeeze, I now notice I can't get audio on youtube / any internet site while skype is running... for it to start working again, I need to restart the PC... is there a way to just reset the stream without restarting the whole PC? |
| 00:11.53 | thewanderer1m | bzrk, not working for a partially-synced array |
| 00:12.19 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: ah too bad, it was a long shot from the start ;) |
| 00:12.44 | Bushmills | tehrabbitt_: use a skype version which supports alsa instead of oss |
| 00:13.10 | tehrabbitt_ | Bushmills, I'm using the skype version off of the skype website that is the .deb file that they compiled for debian |
| 00:13.22 | Bushmills | does it support alsa? |
| 00:13.49 | tehrabbitt_ | Bushmills, Honestly I don't even think I have alsa installed |
| 00:14.10 | Bushmills | that may be your problem |
| 00:14.23 | tehrabbitt_ | Bushmills, just apt-get install alsa? |
| 00:14.36 | Bushmills | and use a skype version which supports alsa instead of oss |
| 00:14.53 | tehrabbitt_ | alsa is apparently installed |
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| 00:17.10 | Bartzy | /etc/cron.d/ - crontabs in here are running from root ? |
| 00:17.13 | Bartzy | or from some other user ? |
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| 00:17.52 | Bushmills | from root, as the user specified in the file |
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| 00:18.27 | tehrabbitt_ | Bushmills, how can i check to see if alsa is installed / restart alsa? |
| 00:18.58 | Bushmills | play something through alsa |
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| 00:20.38 | tehrabbitt_ | Bushmills, Not sure how to do that to be honest |
| 00:21.04 | tehrabbitt_ | all I have is Kmix |
| 00:21.23 | Bushmills | alsaplayer. mplayer -ao alsa, etc |
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| 00:23.40 | Bushmills | speaker-test |
| 00:24.08 | lulzyboy | it doesnt matter a reboot fixed it |
| 00:24.09 | lulzyboy | thanks |
| 00:24.13 | lulzyboy | although |
| 00:24.17 | AndroUser2 | I need anyone's first line from an LVM PV, please |
| 00:24.20 | lulzyboy | does anyone have a basic /etc/networking? |
| 00:24.38 | lulzyboy | as i ctrl k mine |
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| 00:24.59 | Bushmills | there is no /etc/networking in debian |
| 00:25.02 | lulzyboy | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:25.30 | Bushmills | man interfaces |
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| 00:26.09 | lulzyboy | yep got it |
| 00:26.09 | lulzyboy | thanks |
| 00:26.29 | tortib | hi i'm having some problems with firefox and Epiphany web browsers when browsing to pandora.com it seems to load the application 1/2 way and then freezes the page is anyone else having this problem? |
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| 00:27.42 | thewanderer1m | guys, how to make LVM read the PV and extract my VG? |
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| 00:29.16 | stew | thewanderer1m: vgchange -a y |
| 00:29.51 | thewanderer1m | stew, no volume groups found |
| 00:30.06 | stew | thewanderer1m: does pvdisplay find the pv? |
| 00:30.22 | thewanderer1m | yes |
| 00:30.38 | thewanderer1m | although it shows 0 PE |
| 00:31.46 | thewanderer1m | maybe I messed it up, I'm assembling it from RAID5 converted to 6 and interrupted by a kernel bug |
| 00:31.54 | tortib | how can i find out what version of flash i'm running in my browsers? |
| 00:33.07 | stew | tortib: try going to "about:plugins" |
| 00:33.28 | stew | thewanderer1m: you could perhaps try pvresize |
| 00:33.48 | stew | or vgscan, but I doubt that you'll find any vgs on a pv with no extents |
| 00:34.50 | tortib | interesting i installed google chrome and it works fine. |
| 00:34.54 | tortib | (pandora.com) |
| 00:35.15 | thewanderer1m | am struggling to assemble the raid correctly |
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| 00:45.01 | Pipo | Hi. I'm a novice and just installed Apache. Why does it have 5 processes showing up in "top"? Is it to keep multiple ones available to handle multiple simultaneous connections? |
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| 00:49.10 | Bushmills | yes. spare servers. |
| 00:49.13 | rypervenche | Pipo: I believe that is normal. I have always had that. |
| 00:49.24 | Bushmills | set their numbers in your apache config |
| 00:49.30 | Pipo | ok, thanks |
| 00:50.18 | Bushmills | the higher frequented your site, the more servers you want to keep idly listening |
| 00:51.02 | Pipo | ok, just the one process then :P |
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| 01:06.32 | lulzyboy | another thing, how do i control what starts up at boot? |
| 01:07.43 | Bushmills | man update-rc.d |
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| 01:10.09 | Bushmills | less /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 02:08.38 | inigojones | *squeeze |
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| 02:24.10 | ZykoticK9_ | Does Google's "Les Paul" have working audio for anyone on squeeze? I'm curious if it's working with flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 02:24.41 | mmcji | ihave just finished going through the Device mapper lvm2 pdf from redhat, but that really confused me. I am using debian 5.0.8 |
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| 02:40.37 | ZykoticK9_ | Update to above question: I have confirmation that it's not working on a Libre GNU/Linux distro (Trisquel), so that does explain why it's not working for me - is it working with non-free flash though? |
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| 02:43.20 | nsadmin | ZykoticK9_, probably relationship between trisquel and debian would have to be explored to determine if trisquel failures say anything about what would happen in debian |
| 02:44.11 | Wyzard | mmcji: Is your system using LVM already? |
| 02:44.20 | ZykoticK9_ | nsadmin, it's simply that I'm only using main - thus no flashplugin-nonfree stuff, gnash |
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| 02:45.52 | ZykoticK9_ | {sorry didn't mean to hit enter} only - so my web experience is very similar to the "libre" gnu/linux distros. I expect many issues with flash - and deal with it. But this is "so" close to working, wanted to see if anyone else had similar results. |
| 02:45.57 | iluminator101 | i am getting this error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/403824/ thanks in advance |
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| 02:53.06 | Wyzard | iluminator101: Looks like you have a rather broken Python installation |
| 02:53.34 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, anyway to fix this |
| 02:54.07 | Wyzard | From just those messages, it's not clear what the root cause is |
| 02:54.15 | Wyzard | Did you do anything strange involving Python packages lately? |
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| 02:56.06 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, i tried to install this program called billreminder using ./configure --prefix=/usr/bin && make install and ./configure --prefix=/usr/local && make install |
| 02:56.17 | iluminator101 | that broke my system |
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| 02:57.43 | Wyzard | hmm, that shouldn't cause the problem you pasted, if it just installed some Python programs in /usr/local |
| 02:58.19 | Wyzard | Unless maybe it installed a whole copy of Python in there, and that copy is broken... if you run "which python" in a shell, what does it say? |
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| 03:00.06 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, /usr/bin/python |
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| 03:01.35 | gores | test |
| 03:02.12 | Wyzard | you pass! |
| 03:02.27 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, i also did this cp -r /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/billreminder /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/billreminder |
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| 03:02.46 | Wyzard | iluminator101: How about if you just run "python"... any errors, or just a Python prompt? |
| 03:03.01 | Wyzard | iluminator101: Why did you have a /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/billreminder if you told it to install in /usr/local? |
| 03:03.04 | Wyzard | And why did you do that copy? |
| 03:04.48 | iluminator101 | hmm...i thought if i copied it to that location it would work |
| 03:04.58 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/403839/ |
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| 03:06.27 | Wyzard | I'd recommend deleting the /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/billreminder that you created, though I doubt it's the cause of this |
| 03:06.56 | Wyzard | but that doesn't explain why you have a billreminder directory under /usr/lib when you configured it for /usr/local |
| 03:07.47 | mmcji | Wyzard: no sure, checking |
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| 03:13.26 | mmcji | Wyzard: I am not sure, when I run pvdisplay, I see PV Name /dev/sda2, but i do not see a volume group when i do fdisk -l or df -h |
| 03:14.13 | Wyzard | mmcji: fdisk has nothing to do with LVM, but "df -h" should show paths in /dev/mapper if you have LVs mounted |
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| 03:14.57 | mmcji | /dev/mapper/pve-root 17G 759M 16G 5% / |
| 03:15.05 | mmcji | /dev/mapper/pve-data 38G 177M 38G 1% /var/lib/vz |
| 03:15.14 | mmcji | i see those lines with df -h |
| 03:15.17 | s3a | I am not in Debian right now so I can't check but through packages.debian.org I cannot find lib32-libgl, |
| 03:15.17 | s3a | lib32-mesa |
| 03:15.17 | s3a | or lib32-ati-dri . I am guessing they |
| 03:15.34 | s3a | are named differently. Could someone please tell me the Debian package names for those programs? |
| 03:19.31 | gsp2009 | anyone know what I can run to see if compositing is enabled in metacity? |
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| 03:23.33 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, so what should i do |
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| 03:24.17 | Wyzard | I'd delete whatever billreminder stuff you installed |
| 03:24.32 | Wyzard | mmcji: OK, so it looks like you are using LVM |
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| 03:24.44 | Wyzard | mmcji: and you want to move one of the LVs to a different physical drive? |
| 03:24.45 | mmcji | i just ran vgscan |
| 03:24.53 | mmcji | yes |
| 03:25.00 | Wyzard | mmcji: Create a PV on that drive, add it to your VG, and use pvmove |
| 03:25.15 | mmcji | i have added a 300Gig drive for testing |
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| 03:30.21 | datacompboy | Hello everyone! :) Someone knows, how to override in debian msttcorefonts for ghostscripts? /etc/ghostscript/fontmap.d/* looks like ignored for "default" fonts -- Times, Courier -- Nimbus used, which are much wider, as result, everything looks broken after print :( |
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| 03:33.17 | s3a | I am not in Debian right now so I can't check but through packages.debian.org I cannot find lib32-libgl, lib32-mesa or lib32-ati-dri . I am guessing they are named differently. Could someone please tell me the Debian package names for those programs? |
| 03:33.43 | mmcji | i created the pv with pvcreate /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:33.54 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] |
| 03:33.54 | iluminator101 | 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback ??? where should python be installed in terms of the prefix |
| 03:34.27 | iluminator101 | what a bummer i didnt make an image of this system |
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| 03:34.46 | mmcji | Wyzard: do i do, "vgextend pve /dev/sdb1" where pve is the name of my vg? |
| 03:34.49 | Wyzard | iluminator101: That message is asking you to set an environment variable to tell Python where it's installed, because it can't find itself in the place where it expects to |
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| 03:35.04 | Wyzard | mmcji: looks right, assuming you've done pvcreate on /dev/sdb1 already |
| 03:35.22 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, i removed python copy |
| 03:35.26 | Wyzard | iluminator101: The environment variable isn't the solution, figuring out why Python can't find itself where it's supposed to be is the solution |
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| 03:36.01 | mmcji | ok that appears to have been successful |
| 03:36.26 | Wyzard | iluminator101: I think your earlier paste mentioned that Python couldn't find the module "os"... does the file /usr/lib/python2.6/os.py exist on your system? |
| 03:36.53 | Wyzard | mmcji: Now you can use pvmove |
| 03:37.11 | Wyzard | mmcji: To just move one LV, use the -n option |
| 03:37.21 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, yea /usr/lib/python2.6/os.py |
| 03:37.21 | iluminator101 | /usr/lib/python2.6/os.pyc |
| 03:37.44 | mmcji | ok, this is the first time i have used this, cool stuff |
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| 03:38.23 | Wyzard | mmcji: If you just specify a PV, it'll move everything off that PV (and make its own decision about where to put it); if you specify an LV it'll move just that LV, but still make its own decision about where to put it |
| 03:38.45 | Wyzard | mmcji: You can also specify PE ranges to move specific chosen regions of data to specific chosen places |
| 03:39.06 | Wyzard | mmcji: You can even use it to relocate things on the same drive if you use the "--alloc anywhere" option |
| 03:39.37 | mmcji | i do not have any data on the box yet, so that is good. I want to move /dev/mapper/pve-data 38G 177M 38G 1% /var/lib/vz to the new disk |
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| 03:39.44 | Wyzard | mmcji: "lvdisplay -m" tells you what PVs and extent numbers your LVs occupy; that's useful when using pvmove on specific PE ranges |
| 03:40.33 | mmcji | so this would be the one i want to move |
| 03:40.34 | mmcji | LV Name /dev/pve/data |
| 03:40.56 | Wyzard | mmcji: If your root filesystem is on the same VG that you're moving things on, there's a small risk of the system locking up at the beginning or end of the pvmove run, though |
| 03:41.33 | mmcji | it is |
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| 03:42.01 | Wyzard | mmcji: so your command would be something like: pvmove -v -n data /dev/sda1 |
| 03:42.12 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, so point prefix to /usr/lib/python-2.6 |
| 03:42.17 | iluminator101 | ???? |
| 03:42.38 | Wyzard | iluminator101: You can try it, but that should be the compiled-in default prefix anyway |
| 03:43.02 | Wyzard | iluminator101: Setting $PYTHONHOME is not the right solution to the problem |
| 03:43.15 | Rusty1 | points iluminator101 to http://iamzed.com/2009/05/07/a-primer-on-virtualenv/ |
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| 03:53.09 | iluminator101 | Wyzard, is this fixable should i reinstall? |
| 03:53.36 | Wyzard | It's probably fixable somehow, but it's still not clear what's wrong |
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| 03:54.25 | Wyzard | You said the python you're using is /usr/bin/python, and at least the one standard module we checked for does exist, so it's not like your Python installation was deleted or is being overridden by another one in /usr/local |
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| 03:55.18 | Wyzard | It's strange that you had a billreminder directory under /usr/lib when you specified --prefix=/usr/local |
| 03:55.37 | Wyzard | but you need to do some more investigation to figure out what state your Python installation has gotten itself into |
| 03:55.47 | Wyzard | What's the modification date on /usr/bin/python? |
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| 03:56.14 | sunscreen2 | Yay :) |
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| 03:56.31 | sunscreen2 | just installed sqeeze 64bit via netboot with raid 1 |
| 03:56.43 | Wyzard | nice |
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| 03:58.00 | sunscreen2 | i made a 1Gb /boot /swap on the spare drive and had joy but now i where i was screwing around before my drive has stale entrys in the partition table making errors before grub stage 2 |
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| 03:58.44 | sunscreen2 | kinda pissed caused i wanted raid5 and doing that way works because you can put / or /home what ever on the raid device |
| 03:59.01 | sunscreen2 | but by that time the raid controll was configure for raid 1 |
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| 04:00.32 | sunscreen2 | ah well its all good i thought this bird might not fly for a a while, debian looking good as ever and over netboot awesomeness++... |
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| 04:01.00 | sunscreen2 | but any way how can i do away with these stale partition table entry's ? |
| 04:01.03 | Wyzard | You can have root on the raid anyway |
| 04:01.12 | Wyzard | It's /boot that you can't if it's something other than raid1 |
| 04:04.40 | sunscreen2 | yup i it kind dawns on you when you realise the maze off mdadm commands needed to see it and just no its not happening in stage1 of grub |
| 04:05.02 | mmcji | lets find out if it locks up, this is what i am attempting: "pvmove -v -n /dev/pve/data /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1" |
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| 04:06.16 | sunscreen2 | I think i would like to make a raid0 for /usr |
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| 04:08.31 | sunscreen2 | is there a package target for build-esentials like in ubuntu? |
| 04:09.24 | somiaj | build-essential is part of debian |
| 04:09.31 | somiaj | its a useful metapackage |
| 04:09.49 | sunscreen2 | i was not sure if ubuntu did to make things easier |
| 04:10.19 | sunscreen2 | props a match stick in his eye lids and pop 3 pro plus |
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| 04:13.28 | sunscreen2 | so is squeeze kind of old now |
| 04:13.33 | sunscreen2 | should i apt-get distupdate? |
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| 04:13.43 | somiaj | no squeeze is the current stable |
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| 04:14.00 | somiaj | if there is something you must have of a newer version, backporting is the suggestion. |
| 04:14.18 | sunscreen2 | coo coo |
| 04:14.25 | somiaj | you can run testing or unsstable (sid) if you desire, but its of course not supported and can be buggy |
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| 04:15.05 | somiaj | though that doesn't stop many people including myself from running sid. but check the /topic for better support for that. |
| 04:16.05 | sunscreen2 | hehe the netboot crashed when i accidently selected sid |
| 04:16.41 | sunscreen2 | kinda happy accident |
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| 04:21.25 | sunscreen2 | i take it squeeze's kernel is not sport RT ? |
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| 04:23.39 | sunscreen2 | heheh i wonder why ltsp need libsamplerate |
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| 04:25.25 | mmcji | Wyzard: the move has finished. How do I tell if it was successful. I do not see a change in df -h Do i need to reboot? |
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| 04:27.30 | Wyzard | mmcji: Nothing changes in "df -h" -- the LV still exists with the same name, it's just located in a different place |
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| 04:27.42 | mmcji | aww, i know have this at the bottom of lvdisplay -m "--- Segments ---" "Physical volume /dev/sdb1" "Physical extents 0 to 9821" |
| 04:27.43 | Wyzard | mmcji: "lvdisplay -m" should show you that the drive's extents are on the other PV now |
| 04:27.50 | Wyzard | yep |
| 04:28.19 | mmcji | so i should have 300gig available now in that pe? |
| 04:28.33 | Wyzard | pvdisplay |
| 04:28.47 | mmcji | SWEET! |
| 04:28.47 | jonesst1 | any sendmail / MTA experts about? |
| 04:28.58 | mmcji | PV Size 279.39 GB / not usable 3.03 MB |
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| 04:29.27 | antiwire | hey, when I run synaptic and try to choose settings > repositories, synaptic just pops up the "repositories changed" dialog. Same thing happens if I run synaptic -r from a term. |
| 04:29.29 | mmcji | I can't thank you enought Wyzard. I iam off to read more about this now. Thanks tons!!!!! |
| 04:29.36 | antiwire | It won't show me the screen to change repos |
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| 04:31.51 | antiwire | The cli output shows that it "Error: could not find a distribution template" a bunch of times |
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| 04:41.18 | sunscreen3 | this ati card is working well |
| 04:41.46 | sunscreen3 | in terms of normal desktop use |
| 04:42.46 | sunscreen3 | glxgrear == 2477 frames in 5.0 seconds = 495.291 FPS |
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| 04:47.04 | sunscreen3 | weird how when your trying to get a os installed time just flys by and you think time is against you |
| 04:47.21 | sunscreen3 | once its on there you feel like every things happening easily and time is your friend again |
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| 04:49.44 | sunscreen3 | arr |
| 04:49.55 | f00li5h | 'sup |
| 04:50.02 | sunscreen3 | ephiany web browser need alt-d badly |
| 04:50.22 | f00li5h | does anyone know of a particularly debian friendly docco on doing LDAP via pam_*? |
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| 04:50.54 | tortib | can someone help me with this ati radeon problem? http://pastebin.com/73WXakgB I've loaded the radeon & drm modules yet aticonfig still doesn't find any devices. |
| 04:51.04 | tortib | I followed http://pastebin.com/73WXakgB |
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| 04:51.51 | tortib | I didn't install debian as a desktop, just ssh server so when i installed fglrx-control & fglrx-driver it also installed X for me, I didn't think this would be a issue. |
| 04:52.29 | tortib | followed http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary sorry |
| 04:52.36 | Wyzard | sunscreen3: I gave up on Epiphany when Firefox 4 was released |
| 04:53.07 | Wyzard | sunscreen3: It used to be decent, but became very buggy as a result of the major changes they made to convert it from using Gecko to WebKit |
| 04:53.59 | Wyzard | The certificate manager is still totally non-functional |
| 04:54.52 | tortib | nobody here runs ATI with linux? |
| 04:55.11 | Wyzard | nvidia here |
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| 04:55.55 | tortib | i have this working on one box not sure why i'm running into problems now |
| 04:56.00 | tortib | lspci -v | grep VGA shows all my cards |
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| 04:56.53 | dspace | Is anyone aware of the flash bug, the checksum mismatch that prevents installing Flash? |
| 04:56.53 | Wyzard | What is "aticonfig" supposed to do? |
| 04:56.59 | tortib | Wyzard: setup the xorg.conf |
| 04:57.14 | tortib | also gives you temp,load,fanspeed of the cards |
| 04:57.19 | tortib | allows you to overclock too |
| 04:57.47 | Wyzard | For xorg.conf, you probably don't actually need it |
| 04:57.49 | dspace | It's classified as a grave bug but no response from the maintainer in 3-4 days |
| 04:58.02 | tortib | Wyzard: well i do need aticonfig working |
| 04:58.09 | Wyzard | dspace: That happens every time Adobe releases a new version of Flash |
| 04:58.35 | dspace | So how long does it take to update the checksum? |
| 04:58.49 | sunscreen3 | tortib, i have just installed this machine |
| 04:58.52 | sunscreen3 | and its got ati |
| 04:58.57 | tortib | cool |
| 04:59.01 | tortib | does aticonfig work for you? |
| 04:59.13 | sunscreen3 | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4250] |
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| 04:59.35 | sunscreen3 | i have not got that app |
| 04:59.44 | tortib | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 05:00.03 | dspace | Seems like the maintainer could at least answer that he's aware of the bug within 24 hours, if it's a grave bug that prevents installation. This has been outstanding for 3-4 days |
| 05:00.25 | tortib | lsmod|grep fglrx |
| 05:00.25 | tortib | fglrx 2186035 0 |
| 05:00.31 | tortib | module is loaded |
| 05:00.33 | tortib | aticonfig doesn't run |
| 05:00.44 | tortib | well it runs just doesn't find any devices |
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| 05:01.50 | sunscreen3 | The ATI CatalystTM Linux software suite is designed to support the following ATI desktop products: AMD Chipset Product Support |
| 05:01.50 | sunscreen3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.54 | sunscreen3 | yaay |
| 05:02.02 | Wyzard | dspace: According to policy it's a grave bug, but it's also one that the maintainer has seen many times before, so it's probably become something of an annoyance for him or her :-) |
| 05:02.13 | tortib | sunscreen3: it supports them all even the 6xxxx series |
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| 05:02.40 | dspace | Wyzard: Which prevents people from installing / upgrading. So if it's annoying, perhaps a new maintainer is in order |
| 05:03.01 | sunscreen3 | 11.4kbps oo the paaain |
| 05:03.13 | gnarface | commercial SAN solution vs "highly available cluster of NFS servers" such as described here: http://www.howtoforge.com/high_availability_nfs_drbd_heartbeat |
| 05:03.18 | gnarface | which is better? |
| 05:03.20 | sunscreen3 | bangs on vbox's apt repo server with a hammer |
| 05:03.23 | Wyzard | dspace: Also, non-free software isn't as much of a high priority for Debian |
| 05:04.39 | dspace | Unfortunately, it's a reality for accessing a significant part of the Web right now, at least until HTML5 video takes over. The Gnash plugin works well on YouTube and not much else. Debian IS the universal operating system, right? |
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| 05:05.44 | dspace | Seems to me like updating a damn checksum within 24 hours on a significant dependency on the web would be a high priority, considering how trivial the bug is |
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| 05:06.39 | AngryBlackGuy | anyone get gnome 3 working in virtualbox? |
| 05:06.53 | AngryBlackGuy | <sigh> it seems gnome 3 will be the future style of linux desktops |
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| 05:08.43 | terron | What program can I use that will add EXIF/IPTC data to an animated gif? |
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| 05:10.12 | dspace | Honestly, if updating the checksum every time Adobe decides to update is too annoying, then either A) don't do checksums, or B) don't distribute the package. |
| 05:10.32 | dspace | A) would be nice |
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| 05:12.11 | gnarface | anyone ever implemented a SAN/NAS using debian? |
| 05:12.25 | gnarface | what is the best way? |
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| 05:14.51 | Wyzard | dspace: That introduces a security risk: the downloaded file could be corrupted or tampered with |
| 05:15.03 | Bushmills | strictly speakng, linux is the operating system, while debian being a linux distribution |
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| 05:15.56 | Wyzard | Bushmills: Strictly speaking, Linux is the kernel |
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| 05:16.20 | gnarface | distribution == operating system |
| 05:16.32 | gnarface | that doesn't answer my question about doing a SAN/NAS though |
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| 05:17.14 | antiwire | If someone asked me "what operating system do you use?" I'd reply "I use a Linux based distribution." |
| 05:17.26 | Wyzard | I'd reply "I use Debian" |
| 05:17.30 | antiwire | but that *still* doesn't answer your nas question! |
| 05:18.16 | gnarface | :( |
| 05:20.05 | Bushmills | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html: "Debian GNU/Linux is a particular distribution of the Linux operating system, and numerous packages that run on it. " |
| 05:20.15 | antiwire | BAM |
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| 05:20.46 | Bushmills | "Chapter 1 - Definitions and overview" |
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| 05:23.53 | tortib | I can't get these ati cards to showup for the life of me |
| 05:24.11 | tortib | # lsmod|grep fglrx |
| 05:24.11 | tortib | fglrx 2186035 0 |
| 05:24.14 | tortib | module is loaded... |
| 05:24.18 | dspace | Wyzard: This from the distro that doesn't implement ASLR or PIE :) I think everyone knows Flash is binary blobs. How long does it take for the maintainer to *acknowledge* the bug and say a fix is in the works? |
| 05:24.25 | tortib | # aticonfig --initial --adapter=all |
| 05:24.26 | tortib | aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
| 05:25.03 | Wyzard | dspace: I'm not the maintainer, so I have no idea |
| 05:26.11 | Wyzard | dspace: I'm not talking about the "binary blob" risk -- you may trust Adobe to not put bad stuff in their binary blob, but if you can't verify the download, you don't know if what you got is actually Adobe's blob |
| 05:26.19 | dspace | It seems that for a bug that breaks installation, 4 days is too long in any case |
| 05:26.46 | AngryBlackGuy | will the next version of debian use gnome 3? |
| 05:27.05 | Wyzard | I agree, but for a non-free program that's relatively easy to download straight from Adobe and install manually, I don't really think it's a big deal |
| 05:27.09 | dspace | How can the maintainer? He's just putting an IP address in the package from which we install |
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| 05:27.54 | Wyzard | AngryBlackGuy: Presumably so; they're not going to keep shipping old 2.x code that the GNOME developers no longer maintain |
| 05:28.16 | AngryBlackGuy | damn, I guess in the long run i cant avoid gnome 3 |
| 05:28.17 | Wyzard | AngryBlackGuy: There'll be a GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 by then, though |
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| 05:30.17 | dspace | Hey, I love Debian, I just consider this to be an insanely stupid "bug". For the last 4 days, I can't install flash because of a checksum mismatch. So has the maintainer been busy the last 4 days actually making sure the new flash blobs aren't malicious, and if so, why can't he acknowledge that in the bug report? Or where is he? If he's busy, remove the checksums and put a big WARNING up |
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| 05:31.59 | dspace | Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org> is he dead? |
| 05:32.00 | AngryBlackGuy | i guess the next release debian will go gnome 3 as well |
| 05:32.39 | gkffjcs__ | hey all, how do I configure nouveau-kms to use NTSC as my TV standard? The default is PAL, which causes a problem? |
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| 05:32.45 | Wyzard | dspace: The checksum isn't to verify that the binary blob is non-malicious, it's to verify that the binary blob is the authentic Adobe release, so you can trust it at whatever level you trust Adobe |
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| 05:33.18 | Wyzard | dspace: At any rate, there's a process for dealing with non-responsive maintainers; I don't know offhand what it is, but it should be outlined in the policy manual |
| 05:33.39 | Wyzard | (I'm not a Debian developer, just a user, so I've never been involved with that process) |
| 05:33.59 | Wyzard | You could look it up, maybe contact some people to get the process started |
| 05:34.06 | Wyzard | and/or get someone to do an NMU to fix the problem |
| 05:34.17 | dspace | NMU? |
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| 05:34.33 | Wyzard | non-maintainer upload -- a package update made by someone other than the official maintainer of that package |
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| 05:34.49 | dspace | Hell, I'll do that |
| 05:34.50 | Wyzard | They're sometimes done to fix bugs that the maintainer hasn't had a chance to fix yet |
| 05:35.14 | Wyzard | No, it has to be a Debian developer -- someone with access to upload packages |
| 05:35.37 | Wyzard | (For security reasons, "just anyone" can't make changes to packages) |
| 05:36.41 | Wyzard | You could also just download it from Adobe -- I think it's just a .so file that you put in a certain directory |
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| 05:36.53 | gnarface | dspace: but you can make your own packges and just use them privately .... |
| 05:37.21 | dspace | Obviously. At the same time, anyone who agrees to maintaining a Flash package should know what comes with the territory. If you're advertising a universal operating system but your users can't install a major dependency for the web, that's a *critical* bug and you need to be responsive to that. |
| 05:37.28 | arghx | one could probably just change the md5 in the debian package so it would see the "right" md5 and download it |
| 05:37.52 | arghx | dspace: no. flash is not part of debian. at all |
| 05:37.53 | dspace | gnarface: Of course I can. I can download all components independently, but then why use Debian at all? |
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| 05:38.16 | arghx | dspace: debian is a FREE operating system. flash is not free and is no part at all of debian, definitely not critical |
| 05:38.24 | dspace | arghx: flashplugin-nonfree is in the Debian repos |
| 05:38.32 | arghx | no it's not |
| 05:38.33 | Wyzard | but it's not part of Debian |
| 05:38.33 | dspace | You either maintain the package or you don't |
| 05:38.45 | dspace | It is a package in the repos! |
| 05:38.52 | Wyzard | non-free is a second-class citizen, packages that are provided in case they may be useful, but not officially part of Debian |
| 05:38.54 | arghx | dspace: contrib and non.free are not part of debian never was |
| 05:38.59 | dspace | Right now it's a broken package |
| 05:39.18 | rs232killer | I cried a little today because of it too. |
| 05:39.34 | arghx | gives rs232killer a hanky |
| 05:39.40 | gnarface | flash sucks |
| 05:39.54 | RainbowW | dspace: it's a broken pacakage, and you're getting exactly the level of support you're paying for. next problem we're not going to help you with? |
| 05:39.56 | gnarface | dspace: stop using flash and be happy |
| 05:40.01 | dspace | I know it does. I completely agree that Flash sucks |
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| 05:40.14 | dspace | But it's a fact of life |
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| 05:40.56 | arghx | is flash broken in squeeze btw or testing only? |
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| 05:41.02 | gnarface | dspace: gravity is a fact of life. flash is a toy for children. |
| 05:41.06 | Wyzard | At any rate, the maintainer is a volunteer, and the people here are mostly users, not official Debian developers with authority to Get Things Done |
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| 05:41.32 | gnarface | dspace: you get that this is a free product right? |
| 05:41.41 | Wyzard | so complaining here that it's broken, that debian should be ashamed to have a broken package, etc. isn't really productive |
| 05:41.44 | dspace | RainbowW: Yep, thanks. Pretty much what I expected. Universal for experts. |
| 05:42.14 | dspace | gnarface: Yep |
| 05:42.20 | gnarface | dspace: you're failing to see the legal barrier here |
| 05:42.20 | mjmj | so how do you deal with video sharing web sites? |
| 05:42.26 | RainbowW | dpsace: next time try a problem that's a) supported by free software and b) something we actually can help you fix. |
| 05:43.13 | dspace | I totally get it. |
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| 05:43.32 | mjmj | it's clear that needs depend on person. |
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| 05:44.12 | dspace | gnarface: There is no legal barrier. Just a checksum |
| 05:44.21 | dspace | Literally, technically |
| 05:44.40 | arghx | dspace: there is: debian is not alloed to distribute flash. that's a legal barrier |
| 05:45.16 | arghx | and hence it is not part of debian and hence it needs the error prone way of installing that currently breaks and it's also less supported than other software in debian |
| 05:45.36 | dspace | that's not the problem. The flash package installs flash from the adobe web site. It actually makes that attempt just fine. the BARRIER is the old checksum that the maintainer is negligent in updating |
| 05:47.02 | Wyzard | which is the same barrier that protects you against tampered downloads giving you backdoored versions of Flash, btw |
| 05:47.34 | dspace | which would be great if there was a compelling reason why it took 4 days to even check it |
| 05:47.35 | dspace | lord |
| 05:47.39 | Wyzard | but we do understand the nature of the problem; you don't need to repeat it |
| 05:48.08 | dspace | I understand it's all volunteers, but if you can't download an archive and check a sha512sum in 4 days... |
| 05:48.20 | Wyzard | He/she might be on vacation |
| 05:48.29 | RainbowW | dspace, the fact that you don't know the reason doesn't mean it's not compelling. |
| 05:48.47 | dspace | That's exactly what I said to the person whose computer this is waiting on. :) |
| 05:49.32 | RainbowW | dspace, if you're so fussed, you could go fix the package yourself and install your hand-roll. |
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| 05:50.03 | dspace | recycled argument. Like I said before, of course I can do that, we all could, but then why maintain a distro in the first place? |
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| 05:50.23 | arghx | RainbowW: simply entering the "right" md5 checksum would be easiest |
| 05:50.49 | Wyzard | dspace: strawman argument. Neglecting to maintain one (second-class citizen) package does not equate to neglecting to maintain the entire distribution. |
| 05:50.55 | dspace | Simply *omitting* the checksum would be easiest for this maintainer, especially given the vagaries of Adobe |
| 05:51.08 | RainbowW | so what you want is service on your schedule, for free, and when it doesn't happen you don't want a work-around ... you just want to bitch. i get it now. thanks, i'm going back to rebuilding my raid array now. |
| 05:51.11 | arghx | dspace: yes recycled argument indeed: you complain about something that is not debian. where debian makes no claim of support |
| 05:51.12 | dspace | Just throw up a big WARNING that this is non-free, untested, binary blobs |
| 05:51.31 | gnarface | dspace: i think the fact that they're in non-free/contrib IS the big warning |
| 05:51.52 | Wyzard | He means to get rid of the hash check and instead warn that the download isn't verified |
| 05:51.54 | dspace | arghx: But they are supporting it. By checksumming it to where their users can't install it |
| 05:52.04 | dspace | So throw that "support" out |
| 05:52.16 | arghx | dspace: where does debian support anything in contrib or non-free? |
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| 05:52.25 | dspace | And just offer a package that points to the archive and installs it |
| 05:52.29 | arghx | dspace: these repos go against the core of debian (DFSG) |
| 05:52.33 | Wyzard | Then tell yourself that Debian doesn't support Flash |
| 05:52.35 | Wyzard | No such package |
| 05:52.37 | dspace | It's this middle-road of support that screws everything up |
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| 05:52.54 | dspace | Claim to support but don't actually support when the package changes |
| 05:53.05 | arghx | dstr |
| 05:53.05 | Wyzard | The existence of a broken package doesn't prevent you from doing anything that you would've done if the package didn't exist at all |
| 05:53.11 | RainbowW | can someone please shut this fucking troll up already? |
| 05:53.14 | arghx | dspace: there is no claim! |
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| 05:53.38 | dspace | Like I said, if Debian doesn't support it, drop the checksum |
| 05:53.55 | dspace | Drop the testing and the pretense of security checking |
| 05:54.00 | Wyzard | dspace: Feel free to suggest that to the maintainer, but nobody here can make that change to the package |
| 05:54.08 | RainbowW | how about if you go buy a support contract from canonical and leave us alone? |
| 05:54.17 | Wyzard | Complaining here, to other Debian *users*, will not help get the package fixed |
| 05:54.40 | dspace | I already emailed him. :) |
| 05:54.59 | dspace | Just venting my frustration at an otherwise awesome distro :) |
| 05:55.11 | Wyzard | and sounding like a troll in the process |
| 05:55.24 | gnarface | dspace: make a competing package that works better |
| 05:55.25 | arghx | so you are trolling. please go to #debian-offtopic, thank you |
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| 05:55.39 | dspace | It IS stupid. Either claim you offer support and actually offer it (in a timely manner), or don't offer support and drop the security testing / checksums |
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| 05:56.08 | Wyzard | Right, so Debian does not support Flash, under your definition of support |
| 05:56.13 | Wyzard | so just ignore the package |
| 05:56.28 | Wyzard | Do whatever you would've done if the flashplugin-nonfree package didn't exist |
| 05:56.29 | arghx | Wyzard: please don't feed. let him vent elsewhere |
| 05:56.36 | Wyzard | fair enough |
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| 06:00.42 | dspace | Sorry, I didn't mean to be so acerbic. Just frustrated. |
| 06:00.50 | dspace | I love Debian :) |
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| 06:07.37 | gnarface | dspace: if it turns out that dude died you're gonna feel bad |
| 06:09.27 | Bushmills | dspace: " So throw that "support" out" - when you installed debian, the contrib and non-free sources weren't in your sources.list |
| 06:10.03 | Bushmills | how did you learn about them? |
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| 06:15.14 | dspace | Bushmills: I don't know. I read it somewhere on debian.org or elsewhere. No idea now. The point is, if you claim to offer support (security checks, checksums), then do it in a timely manner. If it's "unsupported" software, why bother with the checksums that are *critical* and *blocking* people from installing? |
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| 06:15.46 | Wyzard | The stuff in non-free is provided because it may be useful |
| 06:15.52 | Wyzard | If it isn't useful, oh well |
| 06:16.03 | Bushmills | when you learned about contrib, did you also learn that packages in there rely on external software, which is not part of debian? |
| 06:16.31 | Wyzard | In non-free, the existence of a package *isn't* a statement of support |
| 06:16.44 | Bushmills | flash installer should be contrib |
| 06:17.02 | Wyzard | oops, it is |
| 06:17.06 | Wyzard | statement still stands though |
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| 06:17.24 | dspace | When I installed Debian, only main was in my sources.list, and I manually added contrib and non-free, if that's what you're getting at |
| 06:17.57 | RainbowW | takes the troll food away from Bushmills. |
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| 06:18.40 | dspace | Wyzard: I have no argument with you about support. But if you claim not to support, don't offer false support that blocks it. I'm sorry, but a bug that blocks installation for days on end is pretty bad by any distro's standards |
| 06:20.00 | dspace | If you cannot offer the support to update a checksum within 4 days, which blocks installation, don't offer the checksum as a support at all |
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| 06:20.22 | neuronic_ | you didn't get it, eh ? |
| 06:20.23 | dspace | You already washed your hands of any repercussions anyway |
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| 06:20.39 | dspace | Just don't break the package |
| 06:20.55 | dspace | Or don't offer it |
| 06:20.58 | Wyzard | dspace: It doesn't "block" anything: you can still install Flash in the same way you would have if the package didn't exist at all |
| 06:21.11 | Wyzard | but I've said that twice already, and I think you're trolling now, so I'm done talking about Flash |
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| 06:22.09 | dspace | Yes, it blocks *the actual package*. So why offer the package at all? |
| 06:22.19 | Bushmills | dspace: debian doesn't offer that package |
| 06:22.36 | Bushmills | debian offers a package which downloads that software |
| 06:22.49 | dspace | The package blocks the installation of the software |
| 06:23.02 | dspace | Through a value-added checksum. Something you claim is not support |
| 06:23.09 | dspace | But it's there |
| 06:23.40 | gnarface | !ops dspace |
| 06:23.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: gnarface complains about: dspace |
| 06:23.46 | dspace | I'm going in circles here. Either offer support or don't. Offer the checksum, and then back it up in a timely manner, or don't. |
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| 06:24.10 | gnarface | dspace: you should drop it |
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| 06:26.39 | dspace | gnarface: Umm, I was done with the conversation. You and Bushmills brought it back up |
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| 06:38.53 | ectospasm | hmmm. I have a bunch of ISOs mounted in an NFS directory, and I'd like non-root users to mount them (via -o loop), but I can't figure out the /etc/fstab magic to list |
| 06:39.04 | ectospasm | I figure I can use fuse to do it, but I'm not exactly sure |
| 06:39.12 | ectospasm | and the man pages don't seem helpful |
| 06:39.58 | ectospasm | I don't want to have to edit fstab every time I add a new ISO to the list. |
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| 06:40.31 | Bushmills | extor: adding "user" to options should do |
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| 06:40.54 | Bushmills | sry. ectospasm |
| 06:40.55 | ectospasm | Bushmills: yes, but if I want to add the *.iso wildcard to fstab, how do I do that? |
| 06:41.39 | ectospasm | at least vim syntax highlighting marks that as a mistake |
| 06:41.41 | Bushmills | i know nothing of wildcards allowed in fstab. i think that's not possible |
| 06:41.58 | ompaul | mkdir /foo /foo1 and allow all to see it chmod 777 or some such |
| 06:42.13 | ectospasm | so how do I allow a non-root user to mount an iso via -o loop? |
| 06:42.31 | ectospasm | ompaul: what bearing does that have on anything? |
| 06:42.32 | Bushmills | there's an iso9660 fuse module |
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| 06:42.45 | ectospasm | Bushmills: well, these are actually udf |
| 06:42.46 | ompaul | mount ahh |
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| 06:42.50 | Bushmills | maybe pmount can do that too, not sure |
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| 06:43.27 | rjsalts | anyone use gracie? |
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| 06:43.40 | rjsalts | and having problems with non-existent URLs |
| 06:44.17 | paddymelon | Hey, my monitor is only displaying at 640x480 when it should display at 1280x1024. Using an nvidia card and nvidia-settings doesn't offer a 1280x1024 option. How can I set the resolution manually? I'm a bit of a noob and tried modelines but failed. My current xorg config: http://pastebay.com/125599 |
| 06:44.47 | Bushmills | no, pmount doesn't seem to be an option |
| 06:45.10 | ompaul | runas |
| 06:45.24 | ompaul | but then a user can take out all partitions |
| 06:45.41 | ompaul | unless you allow them mount but not umount |
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| 06:46.58 | Bushmills | your list of cd images is probably of finite length. listing them in auto.misc of autofs would allow users to access them without the need to mount them explicitely |
| 06:47.31 | ompaul | .coffee Bushmills |
| 06:47.48 | ompaul | laments the lack of a decent bot to reward people at this hour |
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| 06:48.01 | Bushmills | had 6 already today :) but in for another. |
| 06:48.06 | ompaul | hehe |
| 06:48.27 | ompaul | has to go and get the first one - Bushmills you have the jump on me for time |
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| 06:48.55 | Bushmills | nifty espresso machine in reach |
| 06:49.15 | ompaul | ectospasm: what he said is detailed here http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/allow-normal-user-to-mount-linux-partitions-usb-stickpen-device.html |
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| 06:49.43 | ompaul | ok time to go cheers |
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| 06:51.38 | paddymelon | anyone know how to set a custom resolution in debian? |
| 06:52.09 | Blue1 | paddymelon: like - for a monitor? |
| 06:52.14 | ectospasm | paddymelon: editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf hasn't worked for you? |
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| 06:52.46 | paddymelon | ectospasm: Tried but I'm a bit of a noob. Here it is: http://pastebay.com/125599. For some reason it won't work... |
| 06:52.53 | paddymelon | Blue1: Yep |
| 06:53.05 | Blue1 | paddymelon: by custom - what did you have in mind? |
| 06:53.17 | rjsalts | paddymelon: it's probably not reading the edid or something |
| 06:53.35 | nkuttler | paddymelon: is the autoconfigured resolution too small or why do you ask? |
| 06:53.35 | paddymelon | rjsalts: yer, I think it's damaged or something, won't show up in nvidia-settings |
| 06:53.41 | rjsalts | paddymelon: he means a 1280x1024 1024x768 screen line |
| 06:53.53 | paddymelon | Blue1: to change from 640x480 to 1280x1024 |
| 06:53.56 | Blue1 | paddymelon: oh system/preferences/monitor |
| 06:54.15 | paddymelon | Blue1: doesn't come up as EDID is stuffed |
| 06:54.18 | Blue1 | paddymelon: that ass/u/mes your driver will let you change that. |
| 06:54.20 | paddymelon | doesn't offer option |
| 06:54.48 | Blue1 | paddymelon: what type of card? hint: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 06:55.03 | paddymelon | Blue1: nvidia card |
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| 06:55.09 | rjsalts | paddymelon: could also be the nvidia driver being crapola |
| 06:55.21 | apofis | hi guys |
| 06:55.29 | paddymelon | rjsalts: Perhaps but it's dual-monitor and the other works fine... |
| 06:55.45 | rjsalts | paddymelon: on my machine it doesn't seem to pass info about the monitors through if I'm using twinview |
| 06:55.47 | paddymelon | rjsalts: I'm retarted at modelines and stuff so my xorg is probs wrong: http://pastebay.com/125599 |
| 06:55.48 | apofis | quick question - is there a way to update only one package with apt-get ? one single deb package ? |
| 06:56.01 | paddymelon | rjsalts... that's interesting then |
| 06:56.08 | paddymelon | how could I fix it? |
| 06:56.11 | Blue1 | paddymelon: do you know what driver your using? |
| 06:56.40 | paddymelon | Blue1: the latest testing driver for nvidia |
| 06:56.57 | paddymelon | for a GT215 |
| 06:57.16 | Blue1 | can you paste this output: grep -i glx /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:57.55 | paddymelon | Blue1: http://pastebay.com/125604 |
| 06:58.01 | Blue1 | paddymelon: thanks |
| 06:58.20 | paddymelon | Blue1: no, thank you |
| 06:58.22 | Blue1 | yup latest driver |
| 06:58.36 | rjsalts | paddymelon: are both monitors the same resolution? |
| 06:58.44 | Wyzard | paddymelon: You shouldn't need a modeline for 1280x1024 |
| 06:58.57 | Wyzard | xorg has the standard modes built-in |
| 06:59.04 | Bushmills | apofis: aptitude install <package> |
| 06:59.10 | paddymelon | rjsalts: no, I want the other 1366x768 |
| 06:59.16 | Bushmills | or apt-get |
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| 06:59.30 | Wyzard | You also don't need the InputDevice sections, or probably the ServerLayout; that'll be autodetected |
| 06:59.39 | paddymelon | Wyzard: nvidia-settings doesn't show the option though? I think it thinks my monitor is too dodgy |
| 07:00.05 | rjsalts | paddymelon: ah, this isn't and X thing then, it's all about the crazy shenanigans with the nvidia driver |
| 07:00.05 | Wyzard | I don't know anything about nvidia-settings... I'm just talking about editing xorg.conf |
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| 07:00.38 | rjsalts | paddymelon: which will go in xorg.conf |
| 07:00.45 | apofis | @Bushmills install ? I want tot upgrade one single package |
| 07:00.53 | rjsalts | apofis: that will do it |
| 07:00.54 | paddymelon | rjsalts: have I done some shenanigans with my x config though or is that not possible because I've stuffed around a lot |
| 07:01.06 | Bushmills | apofis: that's why i told you how |
| 07:01.08 | paddymelon | rjsalts: should I roll back to squeeze diver? |
| 07:01.23 | apofis | @Bushmills ok let me try :) |
| 07:01.27 | rjsalts | paddymelon: you want to look at the options in the readme under /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx or whatever |
| 07:02.33 | paddymelon | rjsalts: What am I looking for specifically? |
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| 07:03.09 | rjsalts | paddymelon: Chapter 15 |
| 07:03.25 | paddymelon | rjsalts: OK, thanks |
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| 07:03.46 | rjsalts | paddymelon: it probably doesn't know how to cope with the fact that you have two different resolutions, and you'll be wanting to set metamodes |
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| 07:04.33 | rjsalts | paddymelon: sorry, not chapter 15, Chapter 13 |
| 07:04.53 | paddymelon | rjsalts: yep, you said 15. I'll try it out |
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| 07:06.15 | paddymelon | rjsalts: how do I find which bus my VGA is on? |
| 07:06.34 | rjsalts | paddymelon: lspci, but I don't think you'll need to set that |
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| 07:06.42 | rjsalts | paddymelon: unless you have multiple cards |
| 07:06.51 | ectospasm | hmmm, looks like sudo is the way to go here. |
| 07:07.42 | paddymelon | rjsalts: sweet, thanks |
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| 07:10.39 | paddymelon | rjsalts: how's this look? http://pastebay.com/125605 |
| 07:11.24 | rjsalts | paddymelon: you have two cards then? |
| 07:12.44 | paddymelon | rjsalts: no but that's how the documentation says it should be set up |
| 07:12.45 | rjsalts | paddymelon: sorry, that was from Chapter 15. I gave you a bum steer there, that will be two seperate X servers |
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| 07:13.11 | rjsalts | paddymelon: I meant Chapter 13 |
| 07:13.19 | paddymelon | rjsalts. OK, thanks. I'll check it out |
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| 07:13.33 | rjsalts | paddymelon: but that config would probably work |
| 07:13.49 | rjsalts | paddymelon: but you wouldn't be able to drag windows from one thing to the other |
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| 07:15.52 | rjsalts | paddymelon: actually I'm not 100% sure, maybe it would do what you want, I'd try it out |
| 07:16.02 | paddymelon | rjsalts: maybe I'll stick with that and change it later |
| 07:16.11 | paddymelon | I'll go offline when I restart X so I |
| 07:16.16 | paddymelon | ;'ll ttyl |
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| 07:16.24 | paddymelon | thanks for your help, rjsalts and others! |
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| 07:38.32 | antivirtel | hi! how can I check, that which kernel intalled on my lenny: static or updateable? - I want to update that, because my iptables does nothing :S:S:S - can someone help? |
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| 07:39.10 | nyov | antivirtel: static or updateable? you mean monolithic or with module support? |
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| 07:40.22 | antivirtel | nyov at setup, I can choose between 2 kernels: which has upgrades and which has no upgrades... I want to use the newest :$ - how can I check which I have? |
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| 07:40.44 | Bushmills | "lenny" and "newest kernel"?? |
| 07:40.49 | nyov | antivirtel: uname -r |
| 07:41.00 | antivirtel | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 07:41.21 | nsadmin | antivirtel, what has you needing newest? |
| 07:41.36 | Bushmills | lenny backports has 2.6.32 |
| 07:41.37 | nyov | antivirtel: first off, lenny is oldstable, and gets no more security updates. maybe upgrade the whole install |
| 07:41.42 | antivirtel | my ubuntu has more newer: 2.6.32-32-generic |
| 07:41.52 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 07:41.52 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 07:41.56 | ansgar | nyov: Lenny gets security support... |
| 07:42.22 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 07:42.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 07:42.52 | antivirtel | Bushmills may I install a backport one? |
| 07:42.59 | Bushmills | granted |
| 07:43.29 | antivirtel | ok, I try it now.. thanks |
| 07:43.31 | nyov | :P |
| 07:44.20 | nsadmin | antivirtel, if you don't need the latest, why change? it could change your situation |
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| 07:45.12 | antivirtel | nsadmin my iptables does nothing... I read, that it may have a kernel or kernel module problem |
| 07:45.15 | antivirtel | I have to try it |
| 07:45.33 | nsadmin | is skeptical |
| 07:45.36 | Bushmills | iptables is surely functional in 2.6.26 kernels |
| 07:45.54 | nyov | ansgar: sorry, misinformed then. so it's only partially discontinued |
| 07:45.59 | nsadmin | how do you know it does nothing? |
| 07:46.00 | antivirtel | for me does nothing... |
| 07:46.04 | nsadmin | how do you know it does nothing? |
| 07:46.06 | Bushmills | how do you know that iptables "does nothing"? |
| 07:46.10 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 07:46.20 | antivirtel | i tryed to block myself out, and i can still connect :O |
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| 07:46.41 | nsadmin | how do you know the block out worked |
| 07:46.50 | Bushmills | antivirtel: extremely likely that 2.6.32 or later iptables will behave identically |
| 07:46.51 | antivirtel | also i found same problems on google |
| 07:47.27 | antivirtel | nsadmin ... i use fail2ban... and the log is told me everything... |
| 07:47.42 | Andorin | Sometimes my flash drives mount to /dev/drivenamehere/ and sometimes they mount to /dev/usb0/. Is it possible for them to always mount to their names rather than usb0? |
| 07:47.50 | nsadmin | so do I, it works fine |
| 07:48.18 | Bushmills | Andorin: mount point in /dev ?? |
| 07:48.34 | antivirtel | and how does it work?! ssh 4 wrong pass... iptables DROP line, and your "connection is refused"? |
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| 07:48.51 | Andorin | Bushmills: I don't know :S |
| 07:49.05 | Bushmills | Andorin: you may not but i consider that most unlikely |
| 07:49.28 | Bushmills | nevertheless, if using usbmount, check the contents of /var/run/usbmount/ |
| 07:49.39 | nsadmin | when did fail2ban stop working, and what were you doing at the time |
| 07:50.07 | Andorin | Bushmills: /var/run/usbmount/ doesn't exist |
| 07:50.35 | antivirtel | nsadmin repeat your sentence / question please, I dont really understand% |
| 07:50.37 | antivirtel | ! |
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| 07:51.04 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:51.07 | nsadmin | when did fail2ban stop working, and what were you doing at the time |
| 07:51.12 | antivirtel | -.-" |
| 07:51.23 | nsadmin | understand now? :L) |
| 07:51.24 | antivirtel | is it a question?! :D |
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| 07:51.57 | spo0nman | Hi, How do i debug nslcd? The nslcd on one machine is generating gazillions of ldap requests to my ldap server. how can i debug which app on that machine is making those requests via nslcd? |
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| 07:52.00 | nsadmin | do you keep records of what happens to your machine? |
| 07:52.30 | antivirtel | yeah, fail2ban.log nsadmin |
| 07:52.33 | rjsalts | anyone know an openid provider that uses posix accounts as the authentication source? |
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| 07:52.44 | nsadmin | do you keep records of what you install or alter on your machine? |
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| 07:53.11 | antivirtel | oh, that no, why nsadmin ? |
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| 07:53.57 | Andorin | Oh, well, that just means I'm not using usbmount >_> |
| 07:54.04 | nsadmin | if you don't keep those kinds of records, it will be hard to place the problem you're experiencing |
| 07:54.12 | BoomSie | nsadmin: Apology earlier to stew also counts for you. Guess I was an ignorant pain in the @ss last night |
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| 07:55.04 | nsadmin | BoomSie, np. iirc, the main issue was not being specific and informative |
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| 07:55.32 | antivirtel | nsadmin do you mean that I caused the problem by misconfiguring/misinstalling something?! |
| 07:56.23 | nsadmin | we can't find out, you don't keep records which would help us to know yes or no |
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| 07:56.52 | nyov | antivirtel: why not check iptables rules manually, and try to block yourself with a reject rule? see if that works |
| 07:57.02 | Bushmills | antivirtel: chance is higher that you misconfigured something than that iptables of 2.6.26 keeps whatever your're trying to do from working because of a bug |
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| 07:58.25 | nsadmin | bottom line: the original kernel is probably working fine. but having said that, you should think about upgrading to squeeze |
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| 07:59.01 | nsadmin | I said -think about-, not -do right now- |
| 07:59.10 | antivirtel | nyov I checked what rule does fail2ban did... I think it must work... |
| 07:59.42 | nyov | how? |
| 07:59.49 | BoomSie | nsadmin: Don't know how I can be more specific. However, I realize I gave trivial (even misnamed) information that backfired on my question. Little research this morning gave me a little bit clarification |
| 07:59.51 | nyov | i mean, how did you check? |
| 07:59.52 | antivirtel | Bushmills I havent reconfigured iptables... |
| 08:00.05 | antivirtel | nyov: # iptables -L |
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| 08:00.43 | nsadmin | BoomSie, np; it's in the past |
| 08:00.51 | Andorin | Sometimes my flash drives mount to /dev/drivenamehere/ and sometimes they mount to /dev/usb0/. Is it possible for them to always mount to their names rather than usb0? |
| 08:01.11 | antivirtel | nsadmin I'll upgrade to squezee... will I have to reconfigure something? or you suggest clear reinstall? :O |
| 08:01.14 | nyov | antivirtel: ok, so the rule(s) are there and should work, but don't? lsmod also shows iptables modules loaded? |
| 08:01.26 | ansgar | antivirtel: So does iptables -I INPUT -j DROP work? |
| 08:01.30 | Bushmills | (09:48:17) Bushmills: Andorin: mount point in /dev ?? |
| 08:01.37 | nsadmin | antivirtel, is this a remote? |
| 08:01.40 | Andorin | Bushmills: I don't understand your question =/ |
| 08:01.41 | antivirtel | nyov I loaded some of that manually... i read about it... |
| 08:01.49 | BoomSie | Thanks, my karma just boosted back to it's original level =) |
| 08:02.11 | nsadmin | , karma dogma |
| 08:02.11 | Bushmills | Andorin: i don't believe that your mount point is or is in /dev |
| 08:02.25 | nsadmin | ! karma dogma |
| 08:02.25 | dpkg | dogma has neutral karma |
| 08:02.33 | antivirtel | nyov http://paste2.org/p/1461861 |
| 08:02.43 | Andorin | Bushmills: I've never set a mount point. I don't think I've ever had to. |
| 08:03.02 | BoomSie | lol |
| 08:03.34 | ansgar | antivirtel: And how do the supposdly working rules look like? |
| 08:03.38 | Bushmills | Andorin: that makes it even less likely that your devices are mounted in /dev/... |
| 08:03.59 | Andorin | Bushmills: Okay. So is the solution to manually specify where devices should mount? |
| 08:04.34 | antivirtel | ansgar - 10 minutes please |
| 08:04.58 | Bushmills | can't say what a good solution is as long as the problem isn't known |
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| 08:05.18 | Andorin | Bushmills: What further information do I need to give? |
| 08:05.19 | nsadmin | I can! |
| 08:05.44 | nsadmin | a good solution is a little milk added to a lot of chocolate ice cream! |
| 08:06.07 | nyov | antivirtel: you can paste them using pastebinit |
| 08:07.01 | antivirtel | nsadmin I can't reboot it.. I have to use the manual switch, 'cos it is an old machine (from '99) :$ - I see it 5 times a week :) |
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| 08:08.12 | nsadmin | antivirtel so it is not a remote? |
| 08:08.22 | Bushmills | Andorin: for example, what is mounting your devices |
| 08:08.40 | antivirtel | not, I can access it fysically |
| 08:08.49 | Andorin | Bushmills: I don't know, but I can say that I'm running squeeze with gnome. I think gnome has an auto-mount feature? |
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| 08:09.20 | Bushmills | nautilus, the file manager of gnome, does |
| 08:09.34 | aminpy | I changed my host name, when I reboot system, my hostname back to the first name |
| 08:09.42 | Andorin | Okay, then |
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| 08:10.06 | aminpy | how can I change it forever? |
| 08:10.10 | Bushmills | but that doesn't mount in /dev, instead it mounts in ~/.gvfs somewhere |
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| 08:10.24 | nsadmin | aminpy, with a welding torch |
| 08:10.51 | Andorin | Bushmills: Okay. I just looked at that directory and it's empty, even though I have a flash drive mounted now. Is that normal? |
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| 08:11.12 | aminpy | nsadmin, what? |
| 08:11.15 | aminpy | ! |
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| 08:11.46 | nsadmin | you did say you want to change it forever... |
| 08:11.56 | neuronic_ | laughs |
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| 08:12.11 | nsadmin | well a welding torch is one of many ways |
| 08:12.20 | Bushmills | Andorin: just check out usbmount, and don't bother with nautilus pluggable devices support. usbmount mounts them system-wide, not just in nautius |
| 08:12.23 | Bushmills | lus |
| 08:12.49 | aminpy | nsadmin, are you find? |
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| 08:13.07 | aminpy | fine* |
| 08:13.18 | Andorin | Bushmills: I looked at usbmount's website http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/ and it says the package is unmaintained... do you still recommend it? |
| 08:13.18 | nsadmin | are I find? |
| 08:14.05 | Andorin | Also it says this: "USBmount is intended as a lightweight solution which is independent of a desktop environment. Users which would like an icon to appear when an USB device is plugged in should use the pmount and hal packages instead." |
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| 08:14.24 | aminpy | nsadmin, do you like be admin? |
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| 08:16.37 | nyov | aminpy: edit /etc/hostname ? |
| 08:16.53 | nyov | and maybe /etc/hosts |
| 08:17.04 | Bushmills | Andorin: i prefer my desktop free of icons popping up |
| 08:17.10 | aminpy | nyov, yes, I did |
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| 08:17.30 | aminpy | nyov, but when I reboot debian, it changes again |
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| 08:18.01 | nsadmin | aminpy, I'll have to read between the lines here... I'm not trying to be hostile or mean; I'm just playing |
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| 08:18.18 | Andorin | Bushmills: Would usbmount list the drive on Nautilus's left-hand pane along with home folder, Desktop, trash, etc? |
| 08:18.20 | aminpy | nsadmin, please don't ping me |
| 08:18.38 | nsadmin | never pinged you... is someone pinging you? |
| 08:19.24 | nsadmin | what is it you try to change? |
| 08:19.52 | nyov | aminpy: booting with DHCP or something? |
| 08:20.01 | Bushmills | Andorin: at least they show in "places" on toolbar. let me check whether nautilus shows them there ... |
| 08:20.03 | nyov | aminpy: it should be set by /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 08:20.32 | aminpy | nyov, I change it manualy |
| 08:20.40 | Bushmills | yes, nautilus side pane shows them too |
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| 08:21.31 | Andorin | Bushmills: That would be good enough for me. Anyway, I installed the usbmount package from the repos, now I need to figure out how to use it instead of nautilus's mounter (unplugged/reinserted flash drive and it still shows usb0 on the desktop) |
| 08:21.32 | nyov | aminpy: I don't get you |
| 08:21.40 | nsadmin | you will likely have to change in /etc/hostname and either in a local dns server or else in /etc/hostsa |
| 08:21.47 | nsadmin | -a |
| 08:21.47 | Bushmills | my desktop is entirely void of icons - i find desktop not a good place for those, as they're usually hidden behind program windows |
| 08:22.04 | nyov | aminpy: you said you changed /etc/hostname, and it changed back by itself..? |
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| 08:22.43 | aminpy | nyov, I changed /etc/hostname |
| 08:22.53 | aminpy | nyov, and reboot my vps |
| 08:23.42 | nyov | aminpy: vps, huh? vital information... |
| 08:23.46 | aminpy | nyov, when vps started up, my host name didn't change |
| 08:24.03 | aminpy | nyov, my host name backs to first one host name |
| 08:24.14 | Bushmills | Andorin: check out contents of /var/run/usbmount |
| 08:24.28 | aminpy | nyov, yes |
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| 08:24.44 | nyov | aminpy: the file changed back, also? |
| 08:24.51 | aminpy | nyov, yes |
| 08:24.56 | Andorin | Bushmills: Empty directory |
| 08:25.13 | Bushmills | insert a device, then check again |
| 08:25.24 | heiner | After updating KDE (wheezy/sid) my screen resolution is always reset to 1200x ... instead of the maximum 1600x... |
| 08:25.39 | nsadmin | you're saying /etc/hostname is overwritten? by what? |
| 08:25.48 | heiner | I can successfully change the resolution using the system settings, but after a reboot the old resolution is set |
| 08:25.51 | nsadmin | and to what? |
| 08:25.55 | Andorin | Bushmills: Still empty. Like I said, I think my system is still using nautilus to mount the drive instead of usbmount. |
| 08:26.10 | heiner | "save as default" does not help |
| 08:26.18 | heiner | How could I permanently set the screen resolution to 1600x1200? |
| 08:26.53 | nyov | aminpy: all kinds of tricks your provider could do there... maybe you can change it from your vps provider's interface? |
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| 08:27.37 | aminpy | nyov, no |
| 08:27.43 | aminpy | nyov, I changed it in bash |
| 08:27.51 | aminpy | nyov, with root permission |
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| 08:29.41 | nyov | aminpy: it could be a tmpfs or something |
| 08:30.25 | nsadmin | how exactly did you change it? |
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| 08:30.51 | nsadmin | show the command you used |
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| 08:31.38 | aminpy | nsadmin, with a welding torch |
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| 08:31.59 | nsadmin | aminpy, if you do not tell us exactly how you changed it, then anything and everything we could say would be a guess based on too little inforjmation |
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| 08:33.15 | aminpy | nsadmin, I'll never say to you and anybody like you my problem |
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| 08:34.30 | nsadmin | then, say to whoever is helping you. if you don't, you're not being fair or cooperative in asking for help |
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| 08:34.47 | nsadmin | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 08:34.47 | dpkg | When asking for help, try to give as much relevant information as possible as well as reading cited documentation. Ask me about <sicco> and <research>. |
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| 08:35.53 | SlayerXP_ | chaps, I've added a backports source to my sources.list and run an apt-get update, yet packages that have later versions in the backports tree are not showing up in apt-cache searches. why might that be? |
| 08:35.55 | aminpy | if I was admin here, I kick you in the first time |
| 08:36.00 | aminpy | :D |
| 08:36.09 | antivirtel | <ansgar> antivirtel: So does iptables -I INPUT -j DROP work? <-- yes, I tryed it out... - what may be the problem? |
| 08:36.09 | aminpy | nyov, thanks |
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| 08:36.25 | antivirtel | *tried |
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| 08:36.51 | nsadmin | aminpy, you have no reason to be angry; I did nothing to you, and meant no harm |
| 08:36.57 | nyov | strange fella |
| 08:37.40 | antivirtel | I'll continue debugging in evening ... bye for now :) |
| 08:38.46 | nsadmin | antivirtel, iptables has logging rules, you might try using those |
| 08:39.02 | kristian_ | Hi, anyone knows how to get auto detection of my headphones ( other speakers should mute when I connect them) on Debian sid /Kde ? |
| 08:40.09 | nsadmin | kristian_, it amounts to your sound card detecting changes in electrical conditions at the socket |
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| 08:41.49 | thewanderer1s | I've got mdraid RAID5 data on 3 disks, but recently the metadata has gone. now I need to re-create the array and recover the data... |
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| 08:43.01 | deeLer | anyone running debian on a DNS-323 ???? |
| 08:43.12 | sdx23 | deem: Tja, deine Entscheidung, ob die Hütte durch ne Kerze abgefackelt wird, oder doch durch die Verkabelung. |
| 08:43.23 | thewanderer1s | every time I create a new array out of 3 devices, it ends up having one spare. how to create it so that it acknowledges that the data is there and not add a spare? |
| 08:44.22 | ectospasm | thewanderer1s: RAID5 has one parity disk, is this what you mean? |
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| 08:45.29 | avheoz | create -n 3 ? |
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| 08:46.08 | SlayerXP_ | anyone? |
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| 08:47.01 | thewanderer1s | ectospasm, avheoz: when I create a RAID5 array out of my previous devices, I do find an LVM PV, but its header checksum is incorrect (or so does "lvm pvscan" tell me) |
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| 08:47.26 | thewanderer1s | and no, the spare is not a parity disk |
| 08:47.56 | avheoz | hm odd. i'd normally just do a create and explicitely specify -x 0 -n 3 (iirc) |
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| 08:50.17 | thewanderer1s | yeah but the contents depend on the order in which I give the drives |
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| 08:51.16 | thewanderer1s | for example, when sdb3 is the first, I can see the LVM PM in the beginning of the array, but when sdd3 is given as the first option to mdadm, no PV is detected |
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| 08:51.37 | thewanderer1s | so apparently the create is order-sensitive |
| 08:52.31 | thewanderer1s | also, it seems that one hot spare is used, when in reality it contains data and should be used for reading too |
| 08:53.10 | thewanderer1s | so I don't know how to re-create the array exactly as it was |
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| 08:58.01 | ansgar | antivirtel: I suspect the iptables rules you have do not what you expect them to do. |
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| 09:02.25 | tdn | Is there an easy way of deleting all jpeg files in a folder with resolution less than, say, 256xp? (ie. in which both dimensions are less than 256 pixels?) Maybe by using imagemagick or something like that? |
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| 09:03.40 | tdn | Or just a program that can sort files by resolution. So I can delete them manually. I tried Gwenview, but it can't. Also gqview cant. |
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| 09:05.39 | dawud | tdn: try 'identify your.jpeg' and parse the output maybe |
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| 09:06.38 | tdn | dawud, ok, I was hoping for an easier way. |
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| 09:07.44 | Bac0n | i have problem with mouse back aftfer updating to kde 4.6.3 in testing |
| 09:07.56 | Bac0n | forward works |
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| 09:08.27 | Bac0n | i tested opera and chrome same in both |
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| 09:20.56 | thewanderer1s | ok well, now my PV header has been overwritten |
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| 09:21.33 | thewanderer1s | any chance to get the LVM PV header back? |
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| 09:22.57 | Bushmills | tdn: identify *|sort -nk 3,3 should do |
| 09:23.12 | tdn | Bushmills, thanks. |
| 09:23.35 | Bushmills | n in -nk probably not needed |
| 09:24.10 | Bushmills | disregard that. probably necessary. |
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| 09:26.39 | Bartzy|work | uniq -u doesn't work for me for some reason |
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| 09:27.09 | Bartzy|work | when I do cat file | uniq -u | grep some_text , I get multiple lines. How is that possible ? |
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| 09:27.42 | kristian_ | Debian Sid 32bit/KDE -> there's some annoying beep when I use synaptic and I delete something .. or even here in Xchat when I'm deleting and I get at the end of the line. How can I turn this off ? |
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| 09:28.00 | kristian_ | ps. by deleting I mean on text |
| 09:28.03 | kristian_ | not packages |
| 09:30.20 | thewanderer1s | I have an LVM backup file and the partition that used to be the PV - the LVM header is lost. how to recover the PV header using just the backup file? |
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| 09:41.11 | thewanderer1s | how do I stop a volume group? |
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| 09:46.05 | thewanderer1s | damn kernel bugs, eating your data... |
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| 09:47.18 | dawud | thewanderer1s: vgchange -an vg |
| 09:47.37 | dawud | thewanderer1s: you want to umount first |
| 09:47.44 | wrs | Is anyone using rawdog here? My feeds don't go past monday, june 6th. Deleting the state file didn't change a bit. Any ideas? |
| 09:47.49 | thewanderer1s | yeah well, I'm recovering data now, not much to umount |
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| 09:50.18 | thewanderer1s | doesn't look too good |
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| 09:50.55 | thewanderer1s | I think I'll join BAARF and turn against raid5... |
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| 09:52.51 | Abddu | I'm on KDE in Squeeze. I really need an app that displays current keyboard layout - I'm learning to type in a language using a different alphabet. Any tips? Have been googling for 2 hours, but the KDE's "virtual keyboard" always shows just latin letters, which is useless for me. |
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| 09:53.31 | thewanderer1s | how come I can't mount any filesystem from my recovered VG? |
| 09:55.15 | dawud | thewanderer1s: what does vgdisplay says? have you 'vgchange -ay' it |
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| 09:55.39 | thewanderer1s | yeah, I did, but the PV header was not actually there, so I had to recover it from backup files |
| 09:55.51 | thewanderer1s | and now I don't know what the drive order in RAID5 was |
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| 09:57.02 | dawud | thewanderer1s: what does mdadm.conf says? |
| 09:57.43 | thewanderer1s | it does not |
| 09:57.57 | dawud | thewanderer1s: ? |
| 09:58.04 | thewanderer1s | well, there *is* an mdadm.conf in the initramfs, but it only lists UUIDs |
| 09:58.21 | dawud | thewanderer1s: blkid your devs and find out, then |
| 09:58.42 | thewanderer1s | yeah, I know what devices those are, I just have no idea in what order they should be put in the RAID |
| 09:59.28 | thewanderer1s | or if the data is still there anyway |
| 09:59.48 | dawud | thewanderer1s: I must be missing sht here, but, isn't the disk array built using the UUIDS? |
| 09:59.53 | dawud | sth* |
| 09:59.56 | thewanderer1s | yes, it is |
| 10:00.44 | dawud | thewanderer1s: so, it uses the UUIDS contained in the mdadm.conf, it is suppossed to do it in the right order |
| 10:01.17 | thewanderer1s | might be... |
| 10:01.56 | thewanderer1s | the thing is, mdadm has no idea now, since this is after an interrupted raid5->raid6 migration |
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| 10:02.43 | dawud | thewanderer1s: crap. |
| 10:02.44 | thewanderer1s | I was migrating another array, and the kernel had a hard lockup |
| 10:02.59 | thewanderer1s | so this one is still supposed to be RAID5 |
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| 10:06.33 | dawud | thewanderer1s: were you using your RAID5 array to copy data over to a RAID6 on different disks, or just migrating your RAID5 to RAID6? |
| 10:07.25 | dawud | thewanderer1s: IOW, you added an extra disk for the extra parity block dev |
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| 10:08.16 | thewanderer1s | I was upgrading RAID5 to RAID6 via --grow, but this array was supposedly still waiting for the other array to finish |
| 10:09.00 | thewanderer1s | so should still contain RAID5, at least partially, but was incorrectly marked as raid6 already |
| 10:09.16 | thewanderer1s | I'll try to bruteforce the order with a bash script |
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| 10:24.20 | thewanderer1s | it completely and utterly didn't work |
| 10:24.52 | thewanderer1s | couldn't get a mountable filesystem a single time |
| 10:25.26 | thewanderer1s | the users won't be happy :P |
| 10:26.18 | dawud | thewanderer1s: you can still arrange a new RAID(5|6) and restore your backup on it |
| 10:26.18 | thewanderer1s | also, I got checksum errors on the RAID5 a few times |
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| 10:26.42 | thewanderer1s | do you think I would be bothering with data recovery now if I had a backup? |
| 10:26.54 | dawud | thewanderer1s: oh |
| 10:27.31 | thewanderer1s | the data is still there, but inaccessible |
| 10:27.41 | thewanderer1s | scattered around the disks |
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| 10:27.54 | wolfehr | hi guys, is there anywhere I can still get access to etch packages? I think it's labelled as oldstable in some regards, but I'm wary of that as if lenny becomes oldstable, couldn't this conflict? |
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| 10:28.33 | dawud | wolfehr: lenny is oldstable now |
| 10:29.00 | ectospasm | wolfehr: if it's available in the apt repos you can just use "etch" where you'd use "stable" or "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:29.11 | ectospasm | But I'm not sure if the etch repos are there ;-/ |
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| 10:29.23 | wolfehr | ectospasm, etch seems to be gone from most now... |
| 10:29.50 | eshat | Hi all. Flash player square (latest 64bit version) crashes whole X when exiting a flash video from fullscreen, all I see in syslog is "X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly" anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 10:29.59 | sickgut | does the 2.6.32-5-486 kernel support more than one cpu core? |
| 10:30.03 | dawud | wolfehr: try http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 10:30.25 | sickgut | the squeeze kernel not the -686 one tho |
| 10:30.28 | MmikeMRMA | I need to change users primary group to some other group, I'm doing this: usermod -g newgroup -G myuser myuser |
| 10:30.33 | wolfehr | thanks dawud, I'll take a look |
| 10:30.35 | MmikeMRMA | and that takes like two minutes, why is that? |
| 10:30.44 | MmikeMRMA | user has no files under his home directory |
| 10:31.14 | eshat | MmikeMRMA: newgroup resets the session, what you want is "usermod -a -G newgroup userid" |
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| 10:31.43 | MmikeMRMA | eshat, nope, i need -g |
| 10:31.47 | MmikeMRMA | -g sets primary user group |
| 10:32.03 | thewanderer1s | what will initializing a PV do? will it wipe out all data, or just overwrite the header? |
| 10:32.14 | eshat | MmikeMRMA: ahh , sorry misread your line |
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| 10:32.58 | Kobaz | is there a kernel setting to allow users to run multiple apps using the sound card |
| 10:33.31 | Kobaz | i always get alsa errors "can't open ipc semaphore" when more than one app tries to use the sound card... but root can play stuff just fine while a user is playing |
| 10:33.33 | MmikeMRMA | esteel, I'd just like to know why is it taking it that long. Is usermod going to change ownership on existing files of that suer? |
| 10:33.35 | MmikeMRMA | user |
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| 10:35.24 | dawud | thewanderer1s: check pvcreate manpage, under description, it talk about the underlying partition type |
| 10:35.27 | Kobaz | alsa is supposed to suppport audio mixing too |
| 10:36.20 | nevyn | via dmix |
| 10:36.36 | nevyn | Kobaz: so you need a mixer somehow either pulse or dmix |
| 10:36.40 | wolfehr | does anyone know if openoffice.org-headless ever went into a stable release? |
| 10:36.50 | Kobaz | yeah but i've never needed one on other machines |
| 10:36.55 | Kobaz | and root can mix audio just fine |
| 10:37.01 | Kobaz | just not regular users |
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| 10:37.12 | nevyn | hrm |
| 10:37.13 | thewanderer1s | there's something strange here, the LV's seem to be inconsistent as well |
| 10:37.25 | nevyn | do you have a .asoundrc for root |
| 10:37.25 | Kobaz | alsa has mixing if the hardware supports it |
| 10:37.40 | Kobaz | nope |
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| 10:52.32 | danboid | Why is the oss4 sources missing from the squeeze repos? AFAIK you can't (re)compile the OSS driver module without this hence invalidating the other oss packages |
| 10:52.40 | project2501a | hey guys, i get this message, when i am trying to manipulate my x screen: Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 10:52.47 | project2501a | any clues,please? |
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| 10:54.47 | aguitel | how i use this image from usb pendrive :debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso ? |
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| 10:56.20 | danboid | project2501a, I suspect your X server doesn't support xrandr - try an alternative gfx driver if you can |
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| 10:58.26 | danboid | aguitel, I'd say easiest way is to use unetbootin prob but Deb have instructions for doing this the deb way somewhere too |
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| 11:04.31 | ectospasm | there's also syslinux, which is how unetbootin does it too. |
| 11:04.40 | ectospasm | Not as automatic, but you have finer control |
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| 11:05.27 | abrotman | !usb install |
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| 11:05.45 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
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| 11:06.40 | BlouBlou | hi |
| 11:07.35 | KindOne | . |
| 11:08.24 | stew | !usb-install |
| 11:08.24 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 11:11.19 | project2501a | ok, where can i learn how to pre-seed an installation? |
| 11:11.52 | project2501a | n/m on the wiki |
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| 11:12.09 | spectre | try remastersys |
| 11:13.02 | project2501a | spectre: nah, not what i'm looking for. |
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| 11:13.19 | project2501a | besides, i should be able to pre-seed that myself. |
| 11:13.39 | ma3x | hi i have ntp and ntpdate instaleld and still my time is lagging 2-3 minutes behind. how come? |
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| 11:14.37 | spectre | if i recall correctly, the command is ntpdate-debian (on debian systems) |
| 11:14.53 | Bushmills | ma3x: ntp may still be trying to catch up. try stopping ntp, then sync with ntpdate, and start ntp again |
| 11:15.23 | ectospasm | Bushmills: spectre: no, no, no no. Don't use ntpdate, it's been deprecated for *forever*. |
| 11:15.27 | Bushmills | ma3x: or check that you have active peers: ntpq -c peers |
| 11:15.30 | ectospasm | ma3x: use ntp -g -q |
| 11:15.34 | spectre | ahh :P sorry |
| 11:15.35 | spectre | old info |
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| 11:16.09 | ectospasm | ma3x: that's "ntpd -g -q" |
| 11:16.25 | ma3x | ntpdate says 10 Jun 13:15:38 ntpdate[30811]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 11:16.41 | ectospasm | ma3x: you need to have a valid server in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 11:16.42 | ma3x | ntpq: read: Connection refused |
| 11:16.49 | Bushmills | you'd want to specify one |
| 11:17.00 | ma3x | doesn't the default install of the ntp and ntpdate packages specify one? |
| 11:17.02 | Bushmills | and ntpd doesn't seem to run |
| 11:17.40 | ma3x | now it displays |
| 11:17.48 | ma3x | 4 servers |
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| 11:18.05 | ma3x | but still when i type ntpdate it says 10 Jun 13:17:15 ntpdate[30840]: no servers can be used, exiting |
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| 11:18.27 | Bushmills | you'd specify a server on ntpdate command line |
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| 11:19.00 | jelly | ma3x: stop the ntp service, run ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org, see if it works, start the service again |
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| 11:19.25 | ma3x | 10 Jun 13:18:27 ntpdate[30851]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 11:20.20 | jelly | any firewall rule sin place |
| 11:20.58 | ma3x | hm shouldnt be any |
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| 11:21.13 | project2501a | well, this is awkward... i can have all four screens in landscape mode, but i cannot have two in portrait and two in landscape mode.... |
| 11:21.20 | project2501a | waves to jelly |
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| 11:29.58 | ma3x | nmap -sU 0.pool.ntp.org -p 153 shows 153/udp open|filtered sgmp |
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| 11:32.22 | jelly | 153? |
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| 11:32.28 | MoreNO_BcN__ | Jajajaja.. |
| 11:32.30 | MoreNO_BcN__ | xD |
| 11:32.30 | jelly | getent services ntp |
| 11:32.37 | Hoqus | ma3x: rdate -s 85.214.230.247 |
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| 11:33.52 | ma3x | that updates it |
| 11:34.01 | ma3x | but ntp doesnt work |
| 11:34.10 | MoreNO_BcN__ | gril? |
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| 11:34.50 | ma3x | jelly, ntp 123/tcp |
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| 11:35.47 | ectospasm | ma3x: maybe you've got a bad clock? |
| 11:36.29 | ma3x | nah something wrong witn ntp/ntpdate |
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| 11:39.00 | ectospasm | ma3x: is ntp running currently? |
| 11:39.22 | ma3x | yes |
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| 11:41.15 | ectospasm | ma3x: what version of ntp? |
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| 11:41.28 | shundake | Somebody know how to fix the no sound on output of HDMI with "ATI R6xx HDMI"? |
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| 11:43.13 | petemc | shundake: does aplay -l list you hdmi device ? |
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| 11:44.52 | ma3x | 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3 |
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| 11:45.39 | shundake | petemc: http://pastebin.com/AACf9hgK |
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| 11:46.10 | ectospasm | ma3x: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b2 is what I've got here (on wheezy) |
| 11:46.29 | ma3x | yeah i'll upgrade it to squeeze |
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| 11:50.02 | shundake | petemc: "ATI R6xx HDMI it's the codec on alsamixer |
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| 11:54.15 | abrotman | !wb me |
| 11:54.15 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
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| 11:59.50 | jelly | that looks... sad |
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| 12:12.07 | nevyn | needy and pathetic also. |
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| 12:12.41 | stew | ? |
| 12:13.49 | nevyn | does anyone understand irq assiignment on modern PC's |
| 12:14.21 | ectospasm | nevyn: I understand it OK, not an expert |
| 12:14.47 | ectospasm | nevyn: I don't remember exactly which set of the bus IRQs can be assigned to peripherals. |
| 12:15.08 | nevyn | ectospasm: how do I manually tweak irq to peripheral assignments? |
| 12:15.10 | digdilem_ | eeh, it's a long time since i had to worry about irq's. can't say I miss it :) |
| 12:15.39 | nevyn | in particular in the new world pnp/apic world can I do this in linux rather than in the bios |
| 12:15.45 | ectospasm | nevyn: that depends. your BIOS may let you reserve an IRQ for a device |
| 12:16.03 | ectospasm | nevyn: for most devices, you don't have to |
| 12:16.14 | nevyn | ectospasm: I don't think you understand. |
| 12:16.23 | nevyn | I want to make things more important than other things |
| 12:16.26 | nevyn | for my usecase. |
| 12:16.44 | nevyn | in particular I need to bump the USB2 |
| 12:16.52 | ectospasm | up or down? |
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| 12:17.50 | nevyn | up |
| 12:17.53 | shundake | petemc: Did you know how to apply patches? like http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download/alsa-hdmi.patch |
| 12:17.56 | digdilem_ | nevyn, do you mean "irq priority"? |
| 12:17.59 | ectospasm | nevyn: and it doesn't matter which IRQ a device is on, when it generates an interrupt the kernel will handle it |
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| 12:18.27 | ectospasm | ...some devices don't work well when sharing (bus-centric) IRQs with other devices. |
| 12:18.57 | nevyn | ectospasm: it DOES matter. when you're trying to tune audio interfaces for low latency |
| 12:19.19 | nevyn | digdilem_: I need to do that as well. |
| 12:19.25 | nevyn | but aiui that's different. |
| 12:19.31 | ectospasm | nevyn: yes, realtime applications are the exception |
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| 12:19.53 | digdilem_ | getting too far low-level for me to be able the help there nevyn, sorry. |
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| 12:20.57 | nevyn | hrm |
| 12:21.26 | ectospasm | nevyn: check lspci -vvb, see if any other devices are using the IRQs your USB devices are. |
| 12:21.29 | petemc | shundake: didnt you say your device was ati ? |
| 12:23.23 | shundake | petemc: yeah, but it uses snd-hda-intel, and here say something about the module for ATI http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nrjHAUqkg4QJ:intellinuxgraphics.org/download/alsa-hdmi.patch+snd-hda-intel+module+options+for+ATI+R6xx+HDMI&cd=25&hl=pt-BR&ct=clnk&gl=br&source=www.google.com.br |
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| 12:36.10 | krol | Damn i just tried to install Aegir (through APT), 2 strange things happened, 1) It generated a trace file in /tmp/ that filled up my HDD, 2) It totally trashed my installation of PHP and Apache2. |
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| 12:36.44 | krol | I have tried to remove Aegir from the system. But still when I try to edit views or anything I get a error message stating that I have a Integer Overflow |
| 12:37.00 | krol | and a VERY large call trace is outputted. |
| 12:37.11 | krol | Any one been experiancing this? |
| 12:37.24 | krol | Damn wrong channel.. |
| 12:37.28 | krol | I'm sorry |
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| 12:58.31 | Senju | hallo |
| 12:58.36 | Senju | brauch hilfe wegen ubuntu |
| 12:58.42 | Senju | habs grade installiert |
| 12:58.49 | Senju | dann ischs neugestartet |
| 12:58.59 | Senju | dann kam meldung am bildschirm |
| 12:59.15 | Senju | über gröÃe 1470x1300 pixel oder so |
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| 12:59.24 | Senju | und dann ging bildschirm aus |
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| 13:00.06 | Senju | brauche hilfe |
| 13:00.11 | Senju | habs grade installiert |
| 13:00.14 | Senju | dann ischs neugestartet |
| 13:00.17 | Senju | dann kam meldung am bildschirm |
| 13:00.22 | Senju | über gröÃe 1470x1300 pixel oder so |
| 13:00.26 | Mmike | ok, so, what does usermod do? |
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| 13:00.35 | ectospasm | Senju: #debian-de |
| 13:00.36 | Mmike | i did: usermod -g web -G mario mario |
| 13:00.46 | N3tw0rK | why squeeze adding â in seamingly random places |
| 13:00.47 | Mmike | and it's stuck like that for 3 minutes now |
| 13:01.52 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 13:02.02 | Bartzy | mounting a NFS share gave me this error: mount.nfs: Unknown error 4352 . Any idea ? |
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| 13:02.10 | N3tw0rK | Mmike: you just told your system to add mario to the primary group of web and add as a member of the group mario |
| 13:02.57 | Mmike | N3tw0rK, yeps, that is what I wanted. But, why that takes forever? (Still not done) |
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| 13:03.32 | N3tw0rK | Mmike: only thing i can think is the groups dont exist but it should have errored out by now |
| 13:03.38 | shundake | petemc: Do you know if it may work? http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&p=175812&st=0&sk=t&sd=a |
| 13:04.40 | Mmike | N3tw0rK, is it chowning files under home dir? |
| 13:04.43 | Mmike | ok, it's done now |
| 13:04.52 | Mmike | but why that long? |
| 13:05.18 | shundake | petemc: But I get error while installing the latest catalyst driver. |
| 13:05.34 | N3tw0rK | Mmike: i dont think it chowns anything...but i have been known to be wrong before |
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| 13:05.52 | ectospasm | Mmike: try strace on the operation |
| 13:06.35 | ectospasm | that might tell you why it's taking so long |
| 13:07.10 | Mmike | true :) |
| 13:07.46 | Mmike | yeps, it's doing chown |
| 13:07.48 | Mmike | ko :) |
| 13:07.49 | Mmike | ok :) |
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| 13:17.15 | N3tw0rK | was wrong about usermod |
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| 13:47.14 | envirocbr | Hey everyone, any advice on this? |
| 13:47.16 | envirocbr | http://pastebin.com/0YujEeV9 |
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| 13:51.26 | themill | envirocbr: looks like a fairly common problem when you start using packages from dotdeb. (/msg dpkg dotdeb) |
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| 13:58.18 | envirocbr | themill: Sadly I didn't set this server up, speaks volumes about the sysadmins here |
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| 13:58.31 | mastroDani | what do I need to install on a server without gnome (only graphic) to use ssh -X ? |
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| 13:58.47 | twobitsprite | mastroDani: nothing |
| 13:58.55 | mastroDani | twobitsprite, hum |
| 13:59.20 | twobitsprite | mastroDani: only the X programs you plan to use... i.e., if you want to be able to ssh -X to a server and run xterm, just install xterm |
| 13:59.45 | themill | mastroDani: you need xauth on the remove machine |
| 13:59.49 | themill | remote* |
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| 14:00.00 | efazati | how i can find what is my sound car? |
| 14:00.02 | efazati | how i can find what is my sound card? |
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| 14:00.43 | twobitsprite | themill: ohh, I suppose so... but I've never had to install it, it always seems to be already installed even on systems I installed without X |
| 14:01.57 | themill | twobitsprite: it's recommended by openssh-server so should be there, except for all the people who are so l33t that they disable recommends and then wonder why standard things like X-forwarding don't work... |
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| 14:02.16 | twobitsprite | themill: ahh.... yeah that would do it |
| 14:03.19 | mastroDani | twobitsprite, themill thanks... |
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| 14:07.45 | mattp_ | it seems my /etc/profile has spontaneously stopped being read by my shell |
| 14:07.47 | mattp_ | whats happened? |
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| 14:11.48 | efazati | nVidia CorporationHigh Definition Audio Controllersnd-hda-intel => how install ? i use alsa and dosent work |
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| 14:12.37 | lord_rob | is program "psnup" packaged into debian ? |
| 14:13.14 | themill | lord_rob: yes. apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 14:13.37 | themill | lord_rob: or even just "apt-cache search psnup" would work... |
| 14:13.38 | ethanol | any reason why apt-get build-dep php5 might fail? :< apt-get source php5 works fine |
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| 14:13.51 | jelly | lord_rob: or even use the bots: /msg judd file bin/psnup |
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| 14:14.00 | lord_rob | themill: that's why I ask the question |
| 14:14.04 | ethanol | is it because my php5 is from unstable? |
| 14:14.33 | themill | ethanol: the build-deps of an unstable package aren't necessarily in stable |
| 14:14.41 | ethanol | that would explain it |
| 14:14.45 | ethanol | :< |
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| 14:15.05 | lord_rob | psutils |
| 14:15.06 | lord_rob | ok |
| 14:15.14 | lord_rob | thank you |
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| 14:15.30 | ethanol | themill: could I get them without screwing up my entire system? |
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| 14:15.46 | themill | ethanol: depends what's missing |
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| 14:16.32 | ethanol | well with ''apt-get build-dep php5'' a huge list shows up. with ''apt-get build-dep -t unstable php5'' it only says apache2-prefork-dev : Depends: libaprutil1-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:16.49 | diago | is there a way to view info about the installed memory. mainly DDR-???? |
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| 14:18.43 | cahoot | diago, see what hwinfo and/or dmidecode offers |
| 14:19.25 | diago | cahoot: thanks, will do |
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| 14:23.06 | danboid | Whats the kernel source package called in squeeze now? I can't find it |
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| 14:24.33 | stew | danboid: the binary package is linux-source-2.6.32 which is built from the linux-2.6 source package |
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| 14:25.28 | danboid | stew: I'm trying to install oss4. I've got the kernel headers on but can't find the source package |
| 14:25.58 | danboid | stew: I need the kernel source to compile the oss module |
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| 14:30.39 | stew | danboid: i would expect you to only need the headers: linux-headers-$(uname -r), but the source package would be linux-source-2.6.32 |
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| 14:31.11 | Riadh | hi, when i do `dpkg -l` what is the meaning of the first column ? (ii, rc, etc.) |
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| 14:31.27 | themill | Riadh: that's explained in the top 3 lines of the output |
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| 14:31.53 | stew | Riadh: there is a description at the top, the first column is what you have requested, the second column is the current state. so ii is you requested it be installed, it is installed |
| 14:32.05 | themill | Riadh: (man dpkg and look at PACKAGE STATES and PACKAGE SELECTION STATES for more details) |
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| 14:32.18 | Riadh | thanks |
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| 14:35.05 | phantomcircuit | php doesnt have readline() |
| 14:35.10 | phantomcircuit | what the hell? |
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| 14:36.04 | babilen | phantomcircuit: rlwrap might come in handy |
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| 14:37.45 | ChrisW | Hi All, I see this in /var/log/messages: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/404077/ what is it? |
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| 14:38.30 | stew | phantomcircuit: yes, basically we can't use the actual readline libraries because they are GPL, and the replacement libedit is broken |
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| 14:39.29 | jelly | we could have a package which builds readline support package binary and installs it, like qmail-src used to! |
| 14:39.50 | phantomcircuit | stew, then how does ubuntu do it? |
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| 14:40.34 | stew | phantomcircuit: i don't know. i don't have a ubuntu machine to look at |
| 14:40.46 | stew | phantomcircuit: if you do, can you see if they linked against libreadline? |
| 14:40.54 | stew | phantomcircuit: or if php5-cli depends on libreadline*? |
| 14:41.26 | stew | looks like they use libedit |
| 14:41.50 | stew | phantomcircuit: so see #341868 and #286356 |
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| 14:44.26 | Defusal | hi everyone, does anyone know of the simplest socks proxy server that can be installed and minimally configured, which works just about out of the box? |
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| 14:44.39 | aixenv | anyone aware of a supposd vsftpd security flaw in anything prior to 2.3.4 ? |
| 14:44.44 | phormUlate | 'mornin |
| 14:45.00 | aixenv | got a client failin ga pci compliance scan, but they are running squeeze |
| 14:45.15 | stew | aixenv: do they reference a CVE? |
| 14:45.33 | aixenv | An error exists in the function 'vsf_filename_passes_filter()' in 'ls.c' that allows resource intensive glob expressions to be processed |
| 14:45.33 | aixenv | with the 'STAT' command. Using numerous IP addresses to bypass anFTP-sessions-per-IP-address limit, a remote attacker can carry out a |
| 14:45.33 | aixenv | denial of service attack |
| 14:45.40 | aixenv | stew - no they just state what the issue is |
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| 14:46.18 | stew | aixenv: debian doesn't seem to be aware of any open issues: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/vsftpd |
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| 14:47.03 | aixenv | stew- im wondering if debian patched it way back when, and just didnt update the version # (ive seen that before) |
| 14:47.16 | stew | aixenv: that's what we would do, however i don't see a relevant CVE |
| 14:47.22 | stew | aixenv: you should ask them for a CVE |
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| 14:47.55 | aixenv | stew - good idea, i'll do that, pci compliance companies are really annoying, thanks for the advice i'll do that and get back to you, if/whent hey do that |
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| 14:48.21 | stew | aixenv: i know... |
| 14:49.04 | stew | aixenv: of course, my solution would be to stay far away from ftpd and use sftp if you really must, and if you really must to try to limit what ip addresses can even talk to it (and I wouldn't include the scanning computers in that list) |
| 14:49.19 | aixenv | stew- those are indeed options |
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| 14:49.36 | aixenv | stew- im just trying to see though if there is indeed a dos vulnerability i wasnt aware of with vsftpd |
| 14:49.42 | aixenv | that's had a pretty good track record |
| 14:49.42 | vanguard | I was running the installer (entering root password), pressed ALT+F2 and got into busybox. How do I get back to the installer? |
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| 14:51.03 | romel | hi guys. I want to create CramFS image of debian and boot it via pxe. I used debootstrap to obtain initial installation and then created image with mkcramfs. Does the image have to contain the linux-image package? |
| 14:51.06 | stew | vanguard: alt-f1 |
| 14:51.31 | vanguard | stew: thanks! |
| 14:51.32 | stew | romel: debootstrap would not install one, you'd have to install one separately |
| 14:51.37 | phormUlate | I'm attempting to add aufs 2.1 to squeeze. I patched and compiled 2.6.38 (and before that 2.6.36) with support, but neither the utils nor the module succeed, getting "mount.aufs:mount.aufs.c:158: : Invalid argument" with mount.aufs and various "xino doesn't support" messages with manual mount... any ideas? |
| 14:52.10 | aixenv | stew - found a cve - http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-0762 |
| 14:52.13 | romel | stew: I got it, thanks. So after installing the linux-image inside of chroot I can create the image and it will work? |
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| 14:53.08 | stew | aixenv: hmm: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-0762 |
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| 14:53.47 | aixenv | stew - so basically bogus |
| 14:53.54 | stew | aixenv: no, not necessarily |
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| 14:54.28 | phormUlate | romel, you have a kernel, and an initramfs that loopmounts the cramfs and pivots root to it? |
| 14:54.56 | stew | aixenv: i don't know if "check" in the notes there are indicating that we still need to check if this applies |
| 14:55.18 | stew | aixenv: you might ask #debian-security on irc.debian.org or debian-security@lists.debian.org for conformation |
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| 14:55.43 | stew | !dbugs 622741 |
| 14:55.47 | dpkg | #622741:I[vsftpd] vsftpd: upgrade stable to fix remote DoS (CVE-2011-0762) (); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:42:08 UTC [] |
| 14:56.02 | stew | aixenv: see above^^ it seems the security-tracker needs to be updated |
| 14:56.10 | stew | or see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622741 |
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| 14:56.55 | romel | phormUlate: no :) how can I get it? |
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| 14:58.03 | aixenv | stew- #vsftpd said it was fixed in 2.3.2 |
| 14:58.11 | aixenv | At this point: v2.3.2 released! |
| 14:58.11 | aixenv | =============================== |
| 14:58.11 | aixenv | - Avoid consuming excessive CPU when matching filenames to patterns. Thanks to |
| 14:58.11 | aixenv | Maksymilian Arciemowicz <cxib@securityreason.com>. |
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| 14:58.26 | aixenv | bah |
| 14:58.28 | phormUlate | build a kernel to your required spec in debian to your spec, and use mkinitramfs tools to make a simple image with say busybox |
| 14:58.56 | phormUlate | I prefer using nfs and iscsi to pxe |
| 14:59.06 | phormUlate | no need to preload the whole os image |
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| 15:00.29 | aixenv | stew- ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.3.4/Changelog <== seems to show it being fixed in 2.3.2 |
| 15:00.32 | phormUlate | you can always use a smaller distro on the remote client romel, and chroot over network sharing after loopmounting with fstab |
| 15:00.38 | phormUlate | it would be easier |
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| 15:01.01 | phormUlate | what is it you are trying to do romel? |
| 15:01.36 | phormUlate | anyone manage to get aufs working with squeeze? |
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| 15:17.09 | danboid | Argh! Why can't I get these modules to compile? I've installed the kernel source package now and I've made sure /usr/src/linux is linked to /usr/src/linux-source-myversion - why is it still telling me I don't have the source installed? |
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| 15:19.03 | rizzeh | headers? |
| 15:19.08 | wols | danboid: you are missing the headers? |
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| 15:19.28 | wols | and linking directories to §deity knows where is not needed, especially not if you run a debian kernel |
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| 15:19.43 | smiley1010 | does anyone know where to find debian images for openstack? |
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| 15:20.00 | wols | btw, what are you compiling? |
| 15:20.05 | danboid | oss4 |
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| 15:21.12 | aixenv | openstack is garbage |
| 15:21.21 | aixenv | have fun with it :) |
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| 15:27.54 | smiley1010 | thanks for the help |
| 15:28.15 | smiley1010 | I am testing opennebula as well...just seeing what is up...thats all |
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| 15:31.07 | jmd | What's the proper (secure) way to obtain the sigs for a repository? |
| 15:31.20 | themill | !secure apt |
| 15:31.20 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 15:31.40 | themill | jmd: the wiki gives a step-by-step procedure to verify a package manually. |
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| 15:32.31 | homie | any of you experience password problems with some browsers after installing new packages in debian ? |
| 15:32.38 | themill | jmd: part of the answer to that question depends on "which repository" though and how you are connected to web of trust |
| 15:32.39 | stew | jmd: have you signed anyone elses public key with your gpg key? |
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| 15:33.02 | homie | like in input masks, they won't work anymore..... |
| 15:33.06 | stew | or is there some other identity that you ultimately trust... |
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| 15:33.36 | homie | i hope it's not due to fonts...... |
| 15:33.42 | homie | or locales or some such...... |
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| 15:35.21 | richo | I have an i386 machine at work that I build and maintain some of my own packages (I clone the debian package source, apply my patchset and dpkg-buildpackage -i -I -k[mykey]) |
| 15:35.40 | richo | I want to build x86_64 packages as well, ideally from that machine, but I can't find a good guide on how to cross compile them, where should I start? |
| 15:35.53 | richo | There are some gcc-cross compiler packages, but none for x64 in the repos I have |
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| 15:37.08 | jmd | richo, If there's no cross-compiler package available, then you'll have to build one yourself. |
| 15:37.23 | richo | Ok, I wasn't sure if it was just a repo missing thing |
| 15:37.39 | wols | ÍIRC the i386 gcc can build x64 binaries |
| 15:37.46 | richo | I'll follow the "building a toolchain" guide I found, it's for embedded ARM systems but I guess it would work |
| 15:38.05 | richo | wols: oh? Will it have the smarts to build a package that works on a x64 system (valid paths to libs etc?) |
| 15:38.15 | jmd | So far as I'm aware, the only cross compiler in the standard debian repo is for the mingw host. |
| 15:38.26 | jmd | I might be wrong though. |
| 15:38.30 | richo | there's some mips stuff too evidently |
| 15:38.41 | richo | I'll play with dpkg-buildpackage to see if I can get a x64 package |
| 15:39.11 | wols | richo: dunno about that, especially since that's a debian packaging thing, not compiler dependent. but I remember that gcc has some 64bit files even on i386 |
| 15:39.13 | jmd | Or just download the gcc source and do it the normal way. |
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| 15:39.41 | richo | well the packaging infrastrcture will need to understand to build valid packages either way |
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| 15:40.23 | kmmndr | hi all :-) |
| 15:40.29 | richo | seems happy enough so far |
| 15:40.31 | richo | Thanks! |
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| 15:40.57 | wols | richo: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq only talks about 64bit system doing i386 packages however. |
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| 15:42.04 | kmmndr | I'm having a problem with php after an upgrade (lenny --> squeeze) on an old machine. Now php files are returned as source instead of being rendered by php |
| 15:42.07 | kmmndr | any idea ? |
| 15:42.25 | wols | kmmndr: a2enmod your php again |
| 15:42.29 | richo | wols: Thanks, I think I have enough info, but that link I will bookmark! |
| 15:42.45 | babilen | kmmndr: ... and make sure that libapache2-mod-php5 is still installed (it should though) |
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| 15:42.55 | stew | kmmndr: check the apache error log as well |
| 15:43.13 | babilen | kmmndr: (in that order) ;) |
| 15:43.13 | wols | babilen: good point. a recent upgrade in sid (BIG upgrade...) suddenlty mine was missing |
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| 15:47.50 | kmmndr | I've PHP/5.3.3-7+squeeze1 module loaded |
| 15:48.32 | kmmndr | php5.conf and php5.load |
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| 15:52.47 | richo | hrm. dpkg-buildpackage -aamd64 is building 32 bit binaries |
| 15:53.24 | kmmndr | arffff .. I found the error : php is now disabled by default in userdir |
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| 15:54.57 | richo | I think I found the package I'm missing |
| 15:54.59 | richo | Woots! |
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| 15:56.43 | ujjain | I am trying to login via telnet IMAP, but it says "login NO Error in IMAP command received by server. |
| 15:56.45 | ujjain | Read more: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/web-tech/2204-login-problems-imap.html#ixzz1OtC2gNxP |
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| 15:56.55 | ujjain | crap, I should be more careful with pasting an error. |
| 15:57.13 | ujjain | I typed both login user pass and 1 login user pass |
| 15:57.32 | stew | ujjain: you need to give it a token that it will give you back with the response |
| 15:57.45 | stew | ujjain: so instead of "login user pass" "a login user pass" |
| 15:57.53 | stew | and it will give you the response with your "a" toaken |
| 15:57.56 | stew | token* |
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| 15:58.33 | ujjain | It seemed it was case sensitive. |
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| 15:59.02 | stew | ujjain: so when you say "login username password" it says "for your command you sent with the 'login' token, there was an error" (becuase your username isn't a valid imap command) |
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| 15:59.56 | ujjain | stew: I tried "1 login username password" too, same error. |
| 16:00.02 | ujjain | It however did accept "1 LOGIN username password". |
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| 16:03.29 | stew | ujjain: i believe that is a bug |
| 16:03.40 | stew | ujjain: what is the imap server software? |
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| 16:04.19 | richo | pbuilder looks promising |
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| 16:04.59 | ujjain | stew: Courier-IMAP. Pretty old. |
| 16:05.42 | richo | does the host= or build= parameter to configure determing what architecture the binaries will be for? |
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| 16:05.47 | stew | i don't remember this bug in courier (which I used for many years, but not for the last few year) |
| 16:05.55 | stew | ujjain: do you mean that you are using a very old version of courier? |
| 16:06.45 | stew | and yes, this is a violation of the RFC |
| 16:06.45 | ujjain | stew: No, I use the latest version of Plesk, possibly old courier-imap too, they only added an alternative for qmail too this year |
| 16:06.51 | ujjain | It's 3.0.8 Courier-IMAP |
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| 16:07.12 | stew | yikes, that's scary old |
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| 16:08.47 | stew | its from 2004 |
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| 16:18.42 | avendael | Hi. I recently ran "dpkg -l" to see a list of packages that I might want to purge. I noticed that various xorg-video-manufacturer packages are installed for every major video card, but I only need the intel one. Is it safe to remove those I do not need for my machine? |
| 16:19.46 | ElCulebras | are you really that low on disk? |
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| 16:20.15 | babilen | avendael: Yes, you can remove them, but you'll save, say, 6-9MB which is IMHO not worth it. YMMV |
| 16:21.08 | avendael | ElCulebras: not really. I'm just wondering if it can be done. |
| 16:21.11 | stew | avendael: yes, but since it will cause the "xorg" metapackage to be removed, you'll have to mark its other dependencies that you need to keep as manually installed |
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| 16:22.19 | aixenv | stew- after further research there definitely is a bug that's resolved in 2.3.4 |
| 16:22.35 | aixenv | stew - im going to get the src of vsftp from sid and compile that one |
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| 16:23.03 | avendael | babilen, stew: thanks. Now that you have mentioned that the metapackage will be removed, I think I'll just let those packages exist since it seems like shooting myself in the foot if I do remove them |
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| 16:23.31 | discozohan | Hello! I accidently remote sudo group from my groups. How can i restore it ? There is no more root users on the server ... |
| 16:23.37 | discozohan | removed* |
| 16:23.38 | babilen | Not really, but your time might be better spend on something else. |
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| 16:24.09 | babilen | discozohan: Can't you log in as root? |
| 16:24.10 | jmd | discozohan, login as the real root. |
| 16:24.44 | avendael | babilen: I agree. I think this is brought about by using gentoo before debian, which took a lot of time from me that is better spent for something else. |
| 16:24.59 | avendael | I think I need a paradigm shift. Thanks :) |
| 16:25.15 | discozohan | babilen: i disabed root in installation ... |
| 16:25.21 | discozohan | disabled* |
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| 16:25.33 | discozohan | as i understand, i need recovery cd .. no ? |
| 16:25.43 | wols | one of the "goals" of debian's releases was to be fully UTF-8 capable everywhere. was that lenny or squeeze which had that goal? Someone asked me if his ftpd of choice was utf-8 capable in debian |
| 16:25.56 | jmd | discozohan, There are other ways. Depending on how you have set your machine up. |
| 16:25.57 | wols | discozohan: init=/bin/sh ? |
| 16:26.01 | babilen | !tell discozohan -about forgot root password |
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| 16:26.27 | babilen | ugh, lilo instructions ... but yeah, basically "init=/bin/sh" |
| 16:26.44 | avendael | wols: I think it's lenny that had that goal |
| 16:27.45 | jmd | lilo!! |
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| 16:27.53 | jmd | Does anyone use that anymore? |
| 16:28.12 | babilen | jmd: yeah, some people do. |
| 16:28.13 | jelly | yes |
| 16:28.29 | jelly | jmd: No! Everyone switched to extlinux!!!!1one |
| 16:28.35 | discozohan | ok, so i need recovery cd ;// |
| 16:28.52 | babilen | discozohan: No, you don't. Have you read the factoid dpkg sent you? |
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| 16:29.13 | discozohan | factoid ? |
| 16:29.38 | babilen | !forgot root password |
| 16:29.38 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 16:29.53 | babilen | discozohan: ^^^ You should have received a private message from dpkg with the same content |
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| 16:30.25 | HydroAssassin | Hello i know this isnt the correct place but noone else has helped so far can anyony try please? |
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| 16:30.32 | HydroAssassin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.52 | jmd | !tell HydroAssassin -about ask |
| 16:31.09 | babilen | HydroAssassin: This is not on Debian isn't it? |
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| 16:31.48 | HydroAssassin | no thats why i said this snt the correct place before my message |
| 16:32.07 | HydroAssassin | its backtrack 5 - running on ubuntu 10.4.2 - lucid =\ |
| 16:32.22 | babilen | HydroAssassin: Yes, indeed. Ask in the backtrack channel in that case. |
| 16:32.23 | jelly | HydroAssassin: if there are any people willing to help, ask them to join the correct backtrack channel |
| 16:32.29 | jelly | !backtrack |
| 16:32.30 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
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| 16:32.56 | HydroAssassin | i am aware... and noone has been able to help. thanks |
| 16:32.58 | maligor | not to mention updating packages from source wouldn't be supported here even if it was debian |
| 16:33.08 | discozohan | babilen: thanks! Small question - will i have problems if i use lvm ? |
| 16:33.24 | maligor | if you do it, know what you're doing |
| 16:33.32 | jelly | maligor: they would get help on how to approach the real underlying issue in a more sensible manner |
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| 16:33.51 | Famic | whenever I launch jed I get a "Stack Underflow Error". Any idea why ? |
| 16:34.02 | Famic | that doesn't prevent it from working, but that's annoying |
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| 16:34.26 | babilen | discozohan: Why do you think you would? I happily use LVM and did not regret the choice so far. |
| 16:34.27 | maligor | jelly, perhaps, yes |
| 16:34.37 | GOP-USA_dotcom | http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/700/420/Bitcoin_the_Bit-con:_Avoid_the_Bubble,_Stay_High_and_Dry.html |
| 16:34.43 | ketsa | can someone tell me if the ubuntu dropbox .deb from dropbox's site works on debian squeeze ? or is there another pkg ? |
| 16:34.50 | jelly | !ops GOP-USA_dotcom spam |
| 16:34.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: GOP-USA_dotcom spam |
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| 16:35.19 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 16:35.38 | camaleon | bkraptor] <jevidl> r1chm: Do you have a digital audio source hooked up to your video card? I ran into that problem on my machine, but I can't remember if audio pass through is working in linux. Also, another quirk on my system is that I need to change between the sound card output and the built in audio output if I want to send audio over HDMI. This is because of the way I have things hooked up. [ |
| 16:36.02 | jelly | GOP-USA_dotcom: don't paste random links in this support channel; if you want to chat about it, use #debian-offtopic |
| 16:36.51 | avendael | that one is a spam bot perhaps |
| 16:36.54 | jelly | just in case it's not a bot |
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| 16:38.01 | maligor | quite artfully hidden spam, not that I'd click crap like that |
| 16:38.15 | maligor | usually they're more crude pron ads |
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| 16:38.39 | avendael | the mailing lists also has "ppl" who send random garbage to everyone in the list like ads about sleeping pills. I don't know why they send those crap to the debian mailing lists |
| 16:39.16 | wols | avendael: cause it's hard to weed out mailinglist addresses in that 120 millions email file |
| 16:40.01 | jhutchins | avendael: I guess my spam filters are good enough to tell the difference, I don't get anything like that on my mailing lists. |
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| 16:40.38 | camaleon | webad13 , who let the dogs out ? |
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| 16:45.58 | nyov | votes babilen for OP |
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| 16:52.56 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/552798/plain/ <- what's the current kerberos ...? |
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| 16:54.01 | GNU\colossus | what's the state of Debian rolling? anything decided yet? |
| 16:54.23 | babilen | no, there were some discussions about it on debian-devel, you might want to read those. |
| 16:54.54 | wols | aminpy: are you using something like LDAP for user accounts or such? |
| 16:54.58 | babilen | GNU\colossus: See also: http://www.debian-news.net/2011/06/08/debian-project-news-july-8th-2011/ (and referenced articles/mails) |
| 16:55.13 | GNU\colossus | thanks, will have a read |
| 16:55.14 | discozohan | babilen: what should i do after i added init=/bin/sh ? Ctrl+X for boot ? Or Ctrl+C for command line ? |
| 16:55.14 | aminpy | wols, I think no |
| 16:55.30 | babilen | discozohan: hmm, enter maybe? |
| 16:55.33 | discozohan | babilen: i am in stress :/ |
| 16:55.36 | discozohan | babilen: k |
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| 16:55.59 | babilen | discozohan: or ctrl-x for boot ... I am not in front of your machine right now, but that doesn't sound that bad. |
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| 16:56.38 | aminpy | wols, I create users without any problem so far |
| 16:56.40 | aminpy | ! |
| 16:56.42 | wols | aminpy: dpkg -l|grep pam |grep krb I think you have Kerberos auth via PAM installed or such |
| 16:56.49 | discozohan | babilen: so, i clicked "e" at grub and editor appeared. I added init=/bin/sh and the end and now i can "boot" or go to "command line" |
| 16:56.58 | discozohan | at the end* |
| 16:57.11 | babilen | well, try boot :-\ |
| 16:57.13 | wols | boot |
| 16:57.31 | aminpy | wolfehr, http://dpaste.com/552800/plain/ |
| 16:57.38 | discozohan | great )) |
| 16:57.56 | wols | aminpy: "ii libpam-krb5" |
| 16:58.51 | aminpy | wols, do I remove it? |
| 16:59.03 | ujjain | shouldn't apt-get install redmine also install apache? |
| 16:59.30 | discozohan | babilen: filesystem is mounted. Is that ok to do "2) 'fsck' your root file system" ? |
| 16:59.38 | jhutchins | ujjain: Maybe it allows you to use lighthttpd or others. |
| 17:00.06 | discozohan | should i just write "fsck /" ? |
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| 17:00.22 | besar | Hey. I have two linux machines that has encrypted disks. I have lost the password, but the servers are still online and the partition is mounted. Is there any way to recover the passphrase from memory or similar? |
| 17:00.37 | jhutchins | discozohan: You can fsck a mounted filesystem, but it is dangerous to do any automated repair, so it's really an information-only check. |
| 17:01.02 | jhutchins | discozohan: To repair a damaged filesystem you have to boot to something else. |
| 17:01.16 | jhutchins | discozohan: You can also force a filesystem check before the system boots - shutdown -Fr now |
| 17:01.22 | stew | discozohan: its not ok to do a fsck of a mounted filesystem. in fact, if you do, fsck actually calls you a "BONEHEAD" |
| 17:01.25 | Bushmills | besar: with decent encryption, there shouldn't be a possibility |
| 17:01.40 | jelly | he's already booted in init=/bin/sh |
| 17:01.48 | aminpy | wols, are you there? |
| 17:01.51 | discozohan | jhutchins: i just follow this |
| 17:01.53 | discozohan | !forgot root password |
| 17:01.54 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 17:02.00 | cahoot | besar, hopfully not |
| 17:02.10 | discozohan | so, it says "'fsck' your root file system" |
| 17:02.17 | jelly | discozohan: oh. If you didn't have a crash, jsut skip that step. |
| 17:02.22 | jhutchins | Strange, what would an fsck have to do with a lost password... |
| 17:02.31 | discozohan | xDD |
| 17:02.32 | jhutchins | discozohan: Yeah, I'd just skip that. |
| 17:02.33 | besar | I mean, the system must somehow know the passphrase in memory, otherwise it wouldn't be able to decrypt the data |
| 17:03.02 | jhutchins | Perhaps more experienced #debian folk would review the factoid for revision? |
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| 17:04.00 | jelly | jhutchins: YOU're the more experienced #debian folk now, dog |
| 17:04.12 | jhutchins | I've only been using it for three or four years! |
| 17:04.55 | ujjain | jhutchins: it did not install light httpd. I am not sure if I should install apache now. |
| 17:05.01 | ujjain | telnet localhost does not respond. |
| 17:05.03 | wols | aminpy: I am not at your installation. how would I know if you want to remove it or not? |
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| 17:05.50 | aminpy | wols, I have a vps just for hosting python powered site |
| 17:05.53 | wols | abrotman: do you need a typing course to learn to type /kb faster? *g* |
| 17:06.04 | jhutchins | ujjain: Not actually knowing anything about what you're trying to do, I would assume that you need to install a web server, apache2 is a good bet. |
| 17:06.06 | aminpy | wols, do I need that? |
| 17:06.07 | wols | but thanks for removing the trash |
| 17:06.10 | abrotman | wols: ops need to eat lunch too :) |
| 17:06.19 | jelly | abrotman: try /kb wols, now! |
| 17:06.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:06.27 | wols | abrotman: the medical industry invented IV drip ready meals! |
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| 17:06.48 | stew | (i wasn't ignoring him. had been talking to him privately and he apologized and agreed to never do that again) |
| 17:06.55 | stew | but yes, this op needs to eat lunch as well |
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| 17:07.05 | ujjain | jhutchins: I am trying to install redmine to test it, I did apt-get redmine, but it did not install a webserver. |
| 17:07.37 | jhutchins | ujjain: |
| 17:08.02 | jhutchins | ujjain: I don't have any idea what redmine is, but that means you can select a webserver to install for yourself. |
| 17:08.07 | abrotman | stew: sorry, didn't mean to step on toes, thought no one else was around |
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| 17:08.30 | stew | abrotman: yeah, no worries. i don't think we're likely to miss out by losing him |
| 17:08.37 | abrotman | doubtful :) |
| 17:08.45 | ujjain | jhutchins: hmm, I will continue rading documentation, it might be that ithas it's own webserver (webrick) |
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| 17:10.44 | jhutchins | ujjain: I would not expect a web application to start automatically until it's configured. |
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| 17:11.13 | ujjain | jhutchins: Yes, I had to start webrick. |
| 17:11.18 | aminpy | do I need to add this line to sources.list file for updating my os? |
| 17:11.19 | aminpy | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 17:11.55 | jhutchins | aminpy: It's a good idea. |
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| 17:22.26 | jelly | aminpy: instead of "stable/updates", use "squeeze/updates" |
| 17:22.59 | jelly | !tell aminpy about squeeze sources.list |
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| 17:28.21 | stew | ElCulebras: please turn that off in here |
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| 17:30.28 | brah | auto-remove just wiped gnome. Should I be worried? |
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| 17:41.26 | jhutchins | brah: Nah, gnome is overrated. |
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| 17:41.57 | brah | I hope it got removed because a new version got installed or something. |
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| 17:43.43 | aixenv | stew- you there? |
| 17:43.57 | aixenv | what was the irc server with the #debian-security chan you referenced? |
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| 17:44.35 | jhutchins | aixenv: Probably oftc |
| 17:44.53 | jhutchins | aixenv: irc.debian.org being a node. |
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| 17:45.17 | aixenv | jhutchins: ok great ty |
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| 17:51.09 | twobitsprite | maybe this is a silly question (probably), but is it possible to have linux check ldap for filesystem-level ACLs? |
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| 17:53.14 | brah | Gotta love when a freshly updated box stops answering SSH. |
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| 17:55.26 | iluminator101 | how can i set which version of python in debian? |
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| 17:57.10 | twobitsprite | iluminator101: you mean, set which version is run when you type "python"? |
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| 17:57.26 | twobitsprite | iluminator101: or do you just mean, how to install a different version? |
| 17:57.45 | iluminator101 | isnt there a program called alternatives-somethings thats sets it |
| 17:57.51 | Spec | iluminator101: man update-alternatives |
| 17:57.52 | twobitsprite | iluminator101: update-alternatives |
| 17:57.57 | twobitsprite | Spec: damn, beat me to |
| 17:58.03 | stevieman | I just got a USB enclosure for a drive I have and I want to mount it in a specific spot. Is there a file I can edit to do this? |
| 17:58.41 | iluminator101 | twobitsprite, python update-alternatives |
| 17:58.47 | iluminator101 | ??? |
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| 17:58.58 | twobitsprite | iluminator101: no, just run "man update-alternatives" |
| 17:59.28 | ironicum | stevieman http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 17:59.29 | Spec | twobitsprite: see, there's a reason I included man :p |
| 17:59.40 | twobitsprite | Spec: and he still didn't get it :P |
| 17:59.50 | MarKsaitis | How do I switch to KDE from GNOME in new debian? |
| 17:59.50 | stevieman | ironicum: thanks |
| 18:00.07 | Spec | twobitsprite: although i don't think python is included in alternatives to begin with, so he'll need to create it.. ;) |
| 18:00.47 | iluminator101 | twobitsprite, spec its not, how i create like to it then? |
| 18:00.49 | wols | MarKsaitis: just install kde |
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| 18:01.06 | Spec | iluminator101: The man page is full of great information. |
| 18:01.08 | wols | MarKsaitis: possibly you want to disable gdm and enable kdm |
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| 18:01.24 | Spec | iluminator101: it's not even that long of a read. |
| 18:01.43 | wols | iluminator101: changing the default debian is very very iffy |
| 18:01.51 | MarKsaitis | wols, how do I install KDE and disabled GDM and enable KDM? |
| 18:01.56 | wols | it will probably break a lot of other things |
| 18:02.05 | MarKsaitis | will it? |
| 18:02.10 | MarKsaitis | why :) |
| 18:02.10 | wols | !tell MarKsaitis about install kde |
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| 18:02.16 | wols | MarKsaitis: that wasn't for you |
| 18:02.25 | iluminator101 | wols i changed it by mistake, i need to change it back to default |
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| 18:02.43 | wols | iluminator101: how did you do that? |
| 18:03.11 | stew | python is not managed via the alternatives system |
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| 18:03.58 | stew | iluminator101: what does "readlink -f $(which python)" return? |
| 18:04.03 | stew | iluminator101: and what version of debian areyou running? |
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| 18:04.51 | MarKsaitis | wols, how do I get in to it after downloading kde-standard? |
| 18:05.01 | iluminator101 | Stew /usr/bin/python2.6 debian wheezy |
| 18:05.21 | stew | iluminator101: so you haven't changed the default yet, which is good. what version do you need to use? |
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| 18:05.54 | iluminator101 | stew this is the error i am getting http://paste.pocoo.org/show/403848/ |
| 18:06.26 | twobitsprite | ewww |
| 18:06.44 | twobitsprite | iluminator101: what did you do? |
| 18:07.11 | iluminator101 | twobitsprite, i wish i knew |
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| 18:07.48 | stew | iluminator101: i'd try "aptitude reinstall python2.6 python python2.6-dbg" |
| 18:07.56 | stew | iluminator101: it looks like someone was messing around in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 18:08.13 | twobitsprite | stew: "no module named os" sounds more like a broken python install |
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| 18:09.04 | twobitsprite | sorry, missed your first reply |
| 18:09.05 | wols | if you set $PYTHONHOME properly it might even work for a bit if reinstalling python doesn't |
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| 18:10.07 | liquid-silence | guys if you had to choose exim 4 or ? |
| 18:10.35 | iluminator101 | stew i deleted everything with python in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 18:10.53 | wols | liquid-silence: most people choose between exim, postfix and some specialty mta like simple*. it's a matter of preference |
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| 18:10.59 | MarKsaitis | wols, and what if I want to remove GNOME? |
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| 18:11.03 | stew | iluminator101: then resinstall every package for which you deleted files |
| 18:11.14 | wols | MarKsaitis: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 18:11.15 | liquid-silence | wols looking for something really simple |
| 18:11.19 | liquid-silence | with virtual domains |
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| 18:11.31 | MarKsaitis | ok |
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| 18:11.51 | MarKsaitis | !tell MarKsaitis about remove gnome |
| 18:12.10 | twobitsprite | !tell MarKsaitis about msg the bots |
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| 18:12.36 | Famic | I have my numeric keypad working fin in comand line, but most of the keys lead me to the top menu when using jed editor. Anyone would know how to fix that by any chance ? |
| 18:12.37 | wols | liquid-silence: mail is never ever simple. never. |
| 18:13.32 | wols | liquid-silence: http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze is a good howto however. but prepared to bring time for a working mail setup |
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| 18:14.19 | MarKsaitis | why is he named DPKG? |
| 18:15.03 | iluminator101 | stew http://paste.pocoo.org/show/404161/ |
| 18:15.15 | MarKsaitis | and what is that ~ before aptitude remove ~package ? |
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| 18:18.50 | stew | iluminator101: what command did you run to get that output? |
| 18:19.44 | iluminator101 | stew apt-get upgrade |
| 18:20.20 | stew | iluminator101: did you try my suggestion or reinstalling packages? |
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| 18:21.13 | stew | iluminator101: you might perhaps run something like "aptitude reinstall '~i~npython' |
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| 18:21.16 | phormUlate | anyone able to get unionfs or aufs working with squeeze? if so, which kernel and patch ver |
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| 18:30.15 | syockit | I want to use xmodmap. this is a single user no-sudo system. Should I put it in /etc/profile? |
| 18:30.29 | MarKsaitis | How do I get rid of this stupid kde plasma desktop thing which doesnt even work correctly? |
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| 18:31.24 | syockit | don't forget university labs! |
| 18:31.28 | syockit | oops wrong channel |
| 18:31.40 | stew | syockit: no, it should go into .xsession or .xinitrc or similar depending on how you login to x |
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| 18:32.30 | syockit | MarKsaitis: plasma desktop is part of kde. if you don't want it to start, you could install another desktop environment (like openbox), your kde apps will still run |
| 18:32.47 | syockit | you can even run kde apps on gnome, no problem there |
| 18:32.53 | phormUlate | use the openbox |
| 18:33.04 | phormUlate | or fluxbox, or my happy place xfce4 |
| 18:33.05 | phormUlate | :) |
| 18:33.16 | MarKsaitis | I see |
| 18:33.20 | syockit | phormUlate: do you think it's beginner-friendly enough? |
| 18:33.28 | phormUlate | all gui is |
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| 18:33.38 | phormUlate | xfce4 is tiny and sleek |
| 18:33.43 | syockit | depending on what he wants on his desktop, it may or may not be sufficient |
| 18:33.43 | phormUlate | openbox is a nice complement |
| 18:33.48 | MarKsaitis | I just didnt like that little Desktop folders window. I usually like big normal desktop where you can draw squares with your mouse |
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| 18:34.06 | phormUlate | you can |
| 18:34.13 | syockit | MarKsaitis: ah, I think KDE4 has an option to change to classic desktop |
| 18:34.26 | phormUlate | kde4 is a fatty |
| 18:34.55 | MarKsaitis | fatty? wy fatty? |
| 18:35.03 | syockit | MarKsaitis: try rightclicking the desktop. do you see desktop settings? there should be folder view inside it |
| 18:35.16 | bdheeman | both kde4 and gnome are fatty |
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| 18:35.21 | phormUlate | it has all of these libs n bins I don't need |
| 18:35.23 | phormUlate | like gnome |
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| 18:35.32 | phormUlate | running over nfs, I like to keep it minimal |
| 18:35.33 | MarKsaitis | I like everything about the taskbar except that desktop thing :) |
| 18:35.36 | syockit | MarKsaitis: it's fatty as it's very demanding on resources |
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| 18:35.58 | starenka_ | hi! i have like 300 pkgs "kept back" in testing. how can i easily determine, which one (ones) are blocking? |
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| 18:36.20 | MarKsaitis | I only see desktop activity. I installed kde-standard. Should I install KDE-Full? Am I missing smth without kde-full? |
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| 18:36.41 | mapd | hi |
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| 18:36.44 | zerivael | hi |
| 18:36.49 | syockit | MarKsaitis: KDE4 was actually trying to introduce a new desktop paradigm. Maybe you should read KDE4 guides on the web and you could get more productive with it rather than using plain desktop view |
| 18:36.52 | mapd | how can i run 2 daemons with different arguments? |
| 18:36.59 | phormUlate | you could always use aptitude or synaptic starenka_ |
| 18:37.09 | ZykoticK9 | starenka_, are you using apt or aptitude? Does "aptitude safe-upgrade" install some/all of the held back packages? |
| 18:37.24 | starenka_ | phormUlate: i do, i see that 300 are not upgraded... |
| 18:37.35 | starenka_ | ZykoticK9: aptitude of course |
| 18:37.36 | syockit | mapd: what daemon would you be referring to? the ones in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 18:37.39 | zerivael | does anyobody have experience with open-exchange on deb 6? |
| 18:37.50 | ZykoticK9 | starenka_, ok, just checkin'. Good luck. |
| 18:38.02 | mapd | syockit yes this one by the way isc-dhcp-server |
| 18:38.13 | mapd | on boot syockit |
| 18:38.16 | pickcoder | hrm is there a moderator on the jobs list? my post still hasn't come back |
| 18:38.25 | starenka_ | ZykoticK9: phormUlate http://openpaste.org/070C8e66 |
| 18:38.42 | ZykoticK9 | starenka_, "500 - Server error" |
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| 18:39.01 | babilen | starenka_: You might get better help in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is meant for wheezy/sid users. |
| 18:39.13 | syockit | mapd: if you want to use init.d, it's probably going to be tricky, you could make a renamed copy of that init.d script and edit it so that it can run side-by-side with the old one |
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| 18:39.21 | starenka_ | ZykoticK9: hmm, okay http://pastebin.com/QJ0H35Vf |
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| 18:39.25 | syockit | mapd: things to look out for including /var locks etc |
| 18:39.29 | BlackFate | hey! do you know any ncurses calculator? |
| 18:39.48 | MarKsaitis | Did windows 7 steal that windows snapping stuff and search in start with other cool things? |
| 18:39.49 | babilen | starenka_: That being said: You probably want to run "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 18:39.52 | starenka_ | babilen: hm ,well but i think this is just general question, how to determine which pkgs are blocking, isn't it? |
| 18:40.11 | phormUlate | iirc starenka_ you can do an aptitude upgrade to see the offending packages and alternative solutions |
| 18:40.20 | phormUlate | otherwise you can cancel out of it |
| 18:40.26 | babilen | starenka_: Sure, just wanted to mention that things like this are rather typical for wheezy/sid and wanted to make you aware of the new channel. |
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| 18:40.53 | zerivael | need help with open-exchange on deb6, can anyone help? |
| 18:40.57 | starenka_ | babilen: thx, i know about that one, i just tried my luck here ;) |
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| 18:41.10 | babilen | starenka_: Sure -- So, does it work? |
| 18:41.27 | syockit | mapd: for example, I could copy my /etc/init.d/lighttpd to /etc/init.d/lighttpd2, edit it and change the NAME=lighttpd to lighttpd2, DAEMON_OPTS= to something else. |
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| 18:41.41 | starenka_ | babilen: no, it;s invite only ;) |
| 18:41.55 | syockit | mapd: then finally do update-rc.d |
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| 18:42.21 | jhutchins | starenka_: Try the one on oftc.net |
| 18:42.34 | syockit | stew: okay thanks, I'll try .xsession |
| 18:42.41 | starenka_ | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 18:42.49 | starenka_ | thank you guys, have a nice weekend! |
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| 18:43.57 | mapd | syockit thanks, but is there a prettier way? |
| 18:43.58 | mapd | :p |
| 18:44.09 | babilen | starenka_: The channel is on irc.oftc.net -- (#debian-next) and I meant the "aptitude full-upgrade" hint I gave you earlier |
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| 18:46.22 | syockit | mapd: pretty way usually means using gui to edit, but problem is you usually want daemon to run independent of gui. I don't know if there's a gui to edit init.d or rc.d scripts |
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| 18:47.38 | phormUlate | need aufs or unionfs to use remastersys or roll my own livecd, so bummed out |
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| 18:47.58 | phormUlate | squeeze and 2.6.36+ just aren't happy with either |
| 18:48.05 | syockit | mapd: if you're pretty sure you only have to start it once, and don't need init.d style restart script, you can put it in rc.local. Then you'd have to do the killing/restarting manually if you ever need to |
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| 18:49.12 | mapd | ya its dhcp server syockit |
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| 18:50.24 | syockit | mapd, try this: create a shell script that accepts a parameter, which can either be {start,stop,restart}, put it in /usr/local/bin or ~/bin (if ~/bin is in your path). Then have rc.local execute the start script |
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| 18:50.51 | mapd | and rc.local will run |
| 18:50.54 | mapd | what i type there? |
| 18:51.02 | mapd | like "cp something" |
| 18:51.03 | mapd | ? |
| 18:51.07 | syockit | mapd, see init.d scripts for hints on how to make one. It usually involves the use of "case $1 in" |
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| 18:51.20 | liquid-silence | anyone see a issue with -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT |
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| 18:51.28 | liquid-silence | iptable-restore moans |
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| 18:52.16 | phormUlate | i could squash the rootfs directories separately and use an initrd as my primary root, but damn... unionfs/aufs is so much nicer to work with |
| 18:52.23 | phormUlate | I could edit as needed for a given session |
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| 18:53.09 | syockit | mapd, first, create a script, i suggest the name isc-dhcp-launcher, put it in any folder that's in your $PATH (I suggest /usr/local/bin so it doesn't clutter your system) |
| 18:53.15 | starenka_ | babilen: yep, doing full-upgrade right now |
| 18:53.24 | syockit | mapd, wait, I'll try cook up a simple script and paste it on pastebin |
| 18:54.09 | mapd | thanks |
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| 18:56.19 | fray | I've got a question on how debian packages handle directory ownership. (I'm used to RPM, so I'm trying to understand whats going on). If two packages use the same directory, say /var/lib/foo and /var/lib/bar -- who "created" /var/lib, who owns "/var/lib"? which owner,group,permissions are used? |
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| 18:56.57 | fray | In RPM, the owning package gets a %dir usually -- if there is a conflict during install (two packages with different permissions), first to create the directory "wins".. |
| 18:57.06 | stew | fray: root:root with permissions 755 |
| 18:57.15 | fray | stew who sets that? |
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| 18:57.53 | stew | fray: the first package which installed /var/lib ; but it would be against policy for it to be any other ownership/permissions |
| 18:58.04 | fray | better yet.. /var/lock/foo and /var/lock/bar.. /var/lock is 1777 by the base-files package |
| 18:58.15 | fray | does the foo and bar packages also need to create /var/lock as 1777 in their own versions? |
| 18:58.21 | stew | fray: no |
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| 18:58.56 | bdheeman | fray: it is better to use mkdir -p in that case |
| 18:58.58 | fray | then if base-files, foo and bar differ on the permissions for /var/lock -- who wins? |
| 18:59.17 | fray | yes, and mkdir -p will use the default permissions (0755) to create the directories.. |
| 18:59.19 | stew | bdheeman: why is that better than having it in the tarball? |
| 18:59.37 | fray | I realize my example is somewhat contrived.. but I know how to handle this in RPM, I don't in debian packages.. and thats why I am confused |
| 18:59.47 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:59.58 | phormUlate | ahoy |
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| 19:00.15 | stew | fray: you don't have to care what happens on a system without base-files, that is a broken system |
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| 19:00.18 | Quibus | hi all |
| 19:00.24 | Thordasin | hi all, could someone tell me if this is the right cannel to ask about where to get the latest 2.6.39 source for an arm build |
| 19:00.33 | Quibus | Are there plans to package Firefox 4? (I guess in some Iceweasel package.) |
| 19:00.36 | fray | Do debian packages have any concept of directory ownership -- or is it just first to install wins.. and base-files is first so it wins? |
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| 19:00.55 | fray | stew, what enforces base-files being "first" (assuming what I said above is right) |
| 19:01.00 | stew | Quibus: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 19:01.01 | syockit | mapd: meh, I give up writing, as I can't figure out how to do pid locks. can you paste init.d script of isc-dhcp-server on paste.debian.net? I'll edit from there |
| 19:01.23 | mapd | syockit im not using debian at the moment |
| 19:01.27 | mapd | maybe later or tomorrow :| |
| 19:01.38 | thewanderer1s | mount.nfs4: access denied by server while mounting sun:/home -- how to debug this? it's the message I'm getting on the NFSv4 client, it's trying to mount a gss/krb5 share. |
| 19:01.48 | stew | fray: it doesn't have to be first, it sets the permissions in the postinst script |
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| 19:01.53 | Quibus | stew: thanks, but why isn't it in the usual repositories? |
| 19:01.56 | thewanderer1s | I'd like to at least get some messages |
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| 19:02.13 | stew | Quibus: its not ready for a stable release |
| 19:02.31 | Quibus | stew: is there a list of blocking issues? |
| 19:02.41 | stew | Quibus: i don't know |
| 19:02.50 | fray | so directy permissions in Debian are enforced via postinst scripting.. ok |
| 19:02.57 | stew | fray: typically not |
| 19:03.03 | ompaul | Quibus: it won't get into squeeze if that is your question |
| 19:03.05 | stew | fray: they are typically in the tarball |
| 19:03.22 | Quibus | ompaul: I'm talking about wheezy |
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| 19:03.44 | Quibus | (I have been running testing for 10 years.) |
| 19:04.03 | ompaul | Quibus: then you like I know it will arrive when it is ready ;-) |
| 19:04.13 | fray | stew, a more real-world example.. I had a sudo package that was creating /var/spool/sudo all as 0700 (arguably a bug). This didn't cause a problem w/ RPM packaging because I specified only /var/spool/sudo was to be packaged.. "something else" created and owned /var/spool (at 0755). In debian can that be done? or does the sudo package HAVE to create /var/spool at 0755 otherwise it's a bug |
| 19:05.07 | iluminator101 | stew, aptitude reinstall '~i~npython that did it thanks you are a genius |
| 19:05.08 | ompaul | Quibus: it will be on a train soon enough I guess sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2) |
| 19:05.27 | Quibus | ompaul: well, so far I didn't even know that people were working on it. Usually new Firefox releases end up quickly in testing |
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| 19:06.13 | stew | fray: i don't know what this "something else" is. if your package relies on a directory it should install it with the correct permissions |
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| 19:06.17 | bdheeman | fray: on Debian things like this can/should be adjusted by postinst script or warpper to your binary |
| 19:06.28 | stew | fray: if two packages need the same directory, and cannot agree on the permissions, they should conflict, i suppose |
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| 19:06.51 | stew | bdheeman: why would you adjust it in the postinst script instead of just having the correct permissions in the tarball though? |
| 19:06.53 | bdheeman | stew: I 2nd that |
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| 19:07.22 | fray | The sudo case I found was that upstream sudo did "install -d /var/lib/sudo -m 0700" thats fine, cause really only the 'sudo' chunk should be 0700.. |
| 19:07.43 | simonlnu | yeh really... how hard is it to do a chmod foo bar erhiluuihlk in debian/rules ? |
| 19:07.48 | bdheeman | stew: plz see dh_fixperms |
| 19:07.54 | fray | I didn't realize there was a problem until much later when we found /var and /var/lib as 0700 for some reason.. took a long time to track it down to sudo having a bug.. |
| 19:08.17 | stew | bdheeman: what about it? |
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| 19:08.45 | simonlnu | i think he's telling you to go read man dh_fixperms ;p |
| 19:08.51 | stew | i ahve |
| 19:08.53 | stew | i have* |
| 19:09.07 | iluminator101 | stew: so does /var/lib/dpkg/info files do i thought apt replaces them during upgrade if they are empty |
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| 19:09.26 | fray | ok, I see.. dh_fixperms has an internal list of directories and their required permissions -- cleans these up (if used) and that resolves the problem for most cases.. |
| 19:09.29 | simonlnu | thought that stew probably had ;) |
| 19:09.29 | Thordasin | hi all, i'm blind and this is scrolling fast so i'm not sure did some one answer my question? |
| 19:09.36 | bdheeman | stew: a news packager needs to read dh_fixperms(1) and adjust permissions in the tarball |
| 19:09.55 | stew | ok? |
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| 19:10.27 | simonlnu | bdheeman: stew isn't exactly a newbie... |
| 19:10.39 | stew | iluminator101: dpkg won't know how to upgrade, becuase it will no longer know what files were part of the old package, since you deleted it's list of files. also you deleted scripts from the old package were were supposed to be run before the upgrade |
| 19:10.45 | bdheeman | stew: I think, a packager on any system should be smart enough to figure out these kinda things |
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| 19:11.02 | bs0d | how to configure debian to take group names and user names from the /etc/group and /etc/shadow, appropriately? I tired to fix it up in nsswitch.conf but it did not help |
| 19:11.28 | bs0d | and how to know where does it look for them? |
| 19:11.31 | simonlnu | bs0d: uh, you broke something? |
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| 19:11.45 | stew | bs0d: yes, /etc/nsswitch.conf is the place |
| 19:11.47 | bdheeman | simonlnu: np, i know stew is alrady mentoring someone |
| 19:11.58 | cahoot | Thordasin, there is debian-arm channel on oftc |
| 19:12.03 | pickcoder | is a noob |
| 19:12.45 | Thordasin | thanks much :) |
| 19:12.49 | bs0d | simonlnu: I get ls output in the form of 1 0 0 <file> instead of 1 root root <file>, id, whoami, getent do not work either |
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| 19:13.28 | bs0d | stew: I have set "file" first in /etc/nsswitch.conf, but same result, no group names or user names in ls output :( Maybe I have missed something |
| 19:13.30 | fray | I just looked at the sources to dh-fixperms, that wouldn't have fixed the sudo problem I had |
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| 19:14.18 | ompaul | fray: have you documented (A) how you set up sudo (B) how it impacted services (C) what it was you exected (D) what it was that happened? |
| 19:14.32 | stew | bs0d: what do you mean by "in ls output"? |
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| 19:15.02 | fray | ompaul (I'm not using debian, only the debian packaging tool).. so I'm trying to understand how this is expected tow ork |
| 19:15.11 | Quibus | stew: any idea what's so special on Firefox 4 that it takes such a special trajectory to get into unstable? |
| 19:15.11 | bs0d | stew: "ls" command output, no owner name nor group name, only numbers instead if them: uid and gid, no names at all |
| 19:15.42 | stew | Quibus: nothing, this isn't necessarily special |
| 19:15.55 | ompaul | fray: you were not using debian, were you building for debian? |
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| 19:16.00 | stew | bs0d: does "getent group" work? |
| 19:16.07 | fray | in the distribution work I am doing, sudo having the /var/lib at 0700/0700 caused a failure in other places.. |
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| 19:16.17 | fray | ompaul I'm not using debian, I'm not building for debian.. I am using dpkg |
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| 19:16.21 | ompaul | fray: not a debian problem then |
| 19:16.25 | Quibus | stew: so, what's going on then? Did they change a lot in Fx 4 in structure of the software or something? |
| 19:16.29 | bs0d | stew: no output at all |
| 19:16.30 | ompaul | goes for a walk ;-) |
| 19:16.40 | Thordasin | well that channel seems to be dead no one answers :) |
| 19:16.44 | fray | Correct -- but I couldn't find documented anywhere how debian expects directory "ownership" (on a package basis) to work |
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| 19:17.31 | bs0d | stew: id root even do not work o_O |
| 19:17.32 | stew | fray: when you are building the debian package, and the upstream makefile runs "install -d -m 700 $PREFIX/var/lib/sudo" (or whatever), the correct permissions should already be in debian/$packagename/var/lib/sudo |
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| 19:17.36 | Famic | I'm trying to generate a key with gpg --gen-key but it keeps on complaining about not having enough entropy whatever I do |
| 19:17.36 | syockit | grr mod5 doesn't seem to work as lv3 at the moment |
| 19:17.41 | fray | As far as I understand it.. Debian expects consistency in the directories that end up in the .deb packages.. dh_fixperms is one way to help with that, but if ther is inconsistency it's a bug in the package.. is that about right? |
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| 19:17.55 | stew | fray: so you shouldn't have to fix anything. it should have /var,/var/lib with 755 |
| 19:18.04 | Famic | I tried to create entropy with another shell through : while /bin/true; do ls -R / > ~/temp2.txt; sleep 1; done; |
| 19:18.17 | Famic | any how to generate that damn key ? |
| 19:18.34 | fray | so something has previously created $PREFIX/var/lib for me? (with the debian tooling)? |
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| 19:18.48 | twobitsprite | is it just me, or is "cat /dev/null > file" a really bad way to empty a file? |
| 19:19.05 | stew | fray: yes, something in debian/rules (which is perhaps something you wrote, but probably the build system you are using, like debhelper or cdbs or whatever) |
| 19:19.12 | ompaul | Famic: type madly on the keyboard when it is looking for entropy |
| 19:19.26 | fray | twobitsprite it's actually a good way, since it doesn't "replace the file", it truncates/overwrites it.. subtle difference in the filesystem |
| 19:19.26 | Famic | ompaul: I tried that too |
| 19:19.29 | stew | fray: and perhaps not PREFIX, but hopefully DSTDIR |
| 19:19.32 | Famic | maybe I'm not insane enough o_O |
| 19:19.37 | fray | ya, destdir.. |
| 19:20.01 | fray | I'm using OpenEmbedded. Targetting RPM, Deb and opkg (which is similar to deb) |
| 19:20.22 | twobitsprite | fray: but how is it any different then, say, ":> file"? |
| 19:20.27 | fray | I'm trying to understand how debian does things, to avoid this problem in the future when we are producing Deb files.. |
| 19:20.34 | wolfric | Is there anyway to defrenciate the difference between services and normal processes (such as any of the ones started by init scripts) and list those services. |
| 19:20.40 | fray | twobitsprite that will work as well, in a POSIX shell.. |
| 19:20.46 | fray | in a non POSIX shell, the other works |
| 19:21.06 | bdheeman | fray: try ar -x <whatever>.deb |
| 19:21.19 | twobitsprite | fray: ok, then "echo > file".... it just seems like the /dev/null is a bit odd |
| 19:21.31 | fray | echo will introduce a EOL |
| 19:22.03 | fray | (and yes there are different ways to truncate a file.. some much "faster" then others depending on shell and enviroment) |
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| 19:22.35 | bs0d | stew: getent returns value 2: key not found in the database. How can I get to know _what_ databse is it trying to look in? |
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| 19:23.01 | bs0d | stew: I mean, where can I find this database and update it, maybe |
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| 19:23.36 | jimcooncat | I just tried this, and it seemed to work: echo -n >file |
| 19:24.41 | twobitsprite | jimcooncat: yeah, I was going to say that, but didn't know if -n was portable |
| 19:24.42 | Thordasin | why not just rm $file;touch $file? |
| 19:24.52 | fray | stew -- I see from the random debian package I yanked down that all of the directories are owned.. |
| 19:24.57 | twobitsprite | Thordasin: well, that might change the permissions, etc |
| 19:25.04 | wols | Thordasin: means the data is still on disk until it's overwritten |
| 19:25.17 | Thordasin | ohh |
| 19:25.17 | stevieman | I setup a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d to mount my usb-HD to a specific dir. It seems there is another rule somewhere that is being run first because the drive keeps auto mounting with the icon appearing on the desktop |
| 19:25.26 | GNU\colossus | <fray> (and yes there are different ways to truncate a file.. some much "faster" then others depending on shell and enviroment) - bourne shell: `> file` |
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| 19:25.38 | fray | I'm still looking for what creates the base (base-files style) directories so conflicts don't appear.. but it may simply be people havn't had this problem on Debian systems because of QA or other things |
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| 19:26.17 | twobitsprite | GNU\colossus: I think the back-ticks are superfluous... just "> file" on a line by itself should work |
| 19:26.41 | GNU\colossus | twobitsprite, I introduced them to seperate actual shell syntax from my babbling. |
| 19:26.47 | twobitsprite | GNU\colossus: ahh :) |
| 19:26.47 | GNU\colossus | they're not supposed to be typed in |
| 19:26.51 | Thordasin | so can anyone here tell me where to download the debian kernel source for the latest 2.39? |
| 19:26.53 | twobitsprite | gotchya |
| 19:26.55 | GNU\colossus | :) |
| 19:27.09 | wols | Thordasin: sid repos should have it |
| 19:27.24 | GNU\colossus | if you're looking for a quicker way still, you can always omit the space between > and your pathname |
| 19:27.35 | GNU\colossus | but that's about as short as it gets, I'd say |
| 19:27.35 | Thordasin | i searched on the package manager and could not find anything ab oe 2.6.38 |
| 19:27.43 | bs0d | as far as I understand nsswitch is referred to ldap, please help find this database where login - uid and groupname - gid pairs are |
| 19:27.55 | twobitsprite | I've also seen "cp /dev/null /path/to/file" before... |
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| 19:29.20 | Thordasin | thanks i'll look in the repos again |
| 19:29.55 | budz0r | hello, can anyone help with making debian package? |
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| 19:30.47 | stew | bs0d: show us your nsswitch.conf |
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| 19:31.17 | budz0r | ompaul: thx |
| 19:31.38 | ujjain | Is SuPHP slower than normal PHP? |
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| 19:32.05 | Famic | this gpg --gen-key problem is total nonsense. I'm gonna have to pass a key over unencrypted network or something like that to be able to have a key ! |
| 19:32.09 | bs0d | stew: http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?nchto18ntzaz |
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| 19:34.38 | stew | bs0d: so then the database should be /etc/group /etc/passwd /etc/shadow |
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| 19:35.21 | bs0d | stew: right, and I have checked those groups and users are inside there, but they are not accessible for some reason :( |
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| 19:36.17 | stew | bs0d: does /lib/libnss_compat.so.2 exist? |
| 19:36.25 | syockit | can I reload /etc/default/keyboard without restarting? |
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| 19:36.38 | lucapost | hi all |
| 19:36.56 | lucapost | is there entropy gererator in deb repo? |
| 19:37.14 | twobitsprite | lucapost: what do you mean? |
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| 19:37.21 | bs0d | stew: affirm, libnss_compat.so.2 and libnss_compat-2 and a dosen mode libnss_ libraries |
| 19:37.37 | twobitsprite | Famic: is it running on vmware? |
| 19:37.53 | Famic | twobitsprite: no, but it's a distant box |
| 19:37.53 | lucapost | twobitsprite: in gentoo I have timer-entropyd |
| 19:38.03 | stew | bs0d: i dont' know then, perhaps strace it |
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| 19:38.12 | Famic | I have no direct access to keyboard/mouse and it doesn't have RNG hardware |
| 19:38.23 | stevieman | can someone help me with mounting a USB drive to a specific directory. I cannot seem to get the udev rule worked out. |
| 19:38.27 | twobitsprite | Famic: ohh... I just know that my vmware hosts systems have a hard time generating entropy |
| 19:38.36 | ompaul | lucapost: run a program to cause it to happen - so I guess apt-get istall apache2 might help |
| 19:39.01 | bs0d | stew: I'll try. Thank you for help |
| 19:39.02 | Famic | twobitsprite: did you find a decent way around it ? |
| 19:39.37 | lucapost | ompaul: I need a deamon :P |
| 19:39.42 | twobitsprite | Famic: well... I do have keyboard/mouse access to the vmware, so pounding the keyboard worked |
| 19:40.19 | ompaul | lucapost: https://www.wzdftpd.net/blog/index.php?post/2008/06/16/24-linux-kernel-and-entropy |
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| 19:40.48 | Famic | it's hard to believe there is so few little solutions about this problem... a lot of linux boxes are used for hostaing and need security keys :| |
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| 19:41.08 | twobitsprite | Famic: is this a newly installed system? |
| 19:41.17 | Famic | quite recent yes |
| 19:41.31 | Famic | not much in the logs and so on |
| 19:41.40 | liquid-silence | anyone here know apache and userdir I enabled it but cannot seem to get the users to display in the browser |
| 19:41.42 | twobitsprite | Famic: with my vmware systems, after the first day or so they seemed to have less of a problem generating entropy |
| 19:41.51 | Famic | but there are 3 VM on it, and I mounted their hdd before trying ls -R / |
| 19:41.57 | twobitsprite | as if it just took a while to build up enough entropy to be useful |
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| 19:42.18 | Famic | twobitsprite the box has been up since more than a week |
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| 19:42.26 | twobitsprite | hmm |
| 19:43.03 | twobitsprite | Famic: what does "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail" say? |
| 19:43.29 | syockit | hey, hal is no longer an rc.d script! how do I restart it then |
| 19:43.52 | stew | syockit: restart dbus |
| 19:44.06 | Famic | I'm currently at 61. I had it up to 250 or so, but I need 280 |
| 19:44.21 | twobitsprite | here's something that might help: http://www.chrissearle.org/blog/technical/increase_entropy_26_kernel_linux_box |
| 19:44.34 | twobitsprite | not sure if the entropy will be "truly random" enough or not... |
| 19:45.08 | Bushmills | Famic: does your system (where you need entropy) run a cronjob frequently? say, once per less than 10..30 minutes? |
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| 19:45.44 | Famic | Bushmills: nope. I set one daily job earlier today but that's all |
| 19:46.26 | Bushmills | frequently launching programs kills entropy |
| 19:46.40 | Famic | twobitsprite: rng sounds like a good solution, but it requires a RNG hardware which I don't have |
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| 19:46.57 | twobitsprite | also, can't you provide a random file to gpg? If so, find a bix with good entropy and dd some of it's random data to a file and send it to your box with bad entropy |
| 19:47.20 | Bushmills | bux? |
| 19:47.47 | Famic | you mean if I upload a movie to the box it might help it get entropy ? |
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| 19:48.05 | ompaul | Bushmills: I've pointed to this and I know what you say about me saying stuff ;-) https://www.wzdftpd.net/blog/index.php?post/2008/06/16/24-linux-kernel-and-entropy |
| 19:48.42 | ompaul | laughs |
| 19:48.46 | twobitsprite | Famic: I was thinking something like "dd if=/dev/urandom of=random_file bs=1 count=1024" on a box which does have good entropy, then upload that file to your box with bad entropy |
| 19:48.51 | Bushmills | ompaul: sorry, not meant to ignore your contribution - i just joined |
| 19:48.59 | ompaul | Bushmills: ;-) |
| 19:49.09 | twobitsprite | Famic: I see in gpg's man page it has a ~/.gunpg/random_seed file, not sure how that works |
| 19:49.18 | ompaul | whiskeys Bushmills |
| 19:49.29 | twobitsprite | but I know gnutls's cert_tool allows you to read random data from a file instead of the OS |
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| 19:52.31 | Thordasin | cool the scroll is gone :) the handbook tells me to get the source with apt-get --source -d linux-2.6 but my machine says thats not found, and i asume thats because i'm on vinux(ubuntu basicly for blind people) and not pure debian. |
| 19:52.41 | Famic | ompaul: thanks, that worked like a charm :) |
| 19:53.08 | ompaul | Famic: which .. the link or installing apache2 ;-) |
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| 19:53.38 | Texou | hi |
| 19:53.40 | Famic | entropy : 3968 :) |
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| 19:53.46 | ompaul | heheh |
| 19:53.57 | ompaul | Texou: good evening |
| 19:54.14 | Texou | good evening ompaul |
| 19:54.19 | pickcoder | Thordasin: if it is ubuntu based then you should review with #ubuntu. The kernel packages are most likely different. |
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| 19:55.25 | Texou | I'd like to understand if I can obtain what follows: when I type accelibreinfo.eu on Gnome (squeeze) (with alt-F2), I'd like gnome-panel to run iceweasel and not try to open a file. With lenny, it works :) I do alt-f2, google.com, it runs google |
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| 19:56.10 | Thordasin | pickcoder: thanks, but i need the debian source, i'm trying to put debian on my nokia n900 so i can write some code on it for blind people to use the phone. |
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| 19:56.53 | varl0g | sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory |
| 19:56.58 | pickcoder | Thordasin: aptitude install linux-tree-2.6.26 |
| 19:57.24 | ompaul | Thordasin: I presume you have found this? http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-n900 |
| 19:58.00 | Thordasin | no is that the source for the n900? |
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| 19:58.34 | ompaul | Thordasin: it is the people who package debian stuff for the n900 they have their own irc channel |
| 19:58.36 | MarKsaitis | Please, Can somebody please have a look why can't I emove GNOME as I want to use KDE? I am trying to do that thru aptitude - http://pastebin.com/bymi5eeF |
| 19:58.45 | ompaul | Thordasin: or had at one point |
| 19:58.56 | MarKsaitis | its debian |
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| 19:59.03 | syockit | hmmm mod5 still doesn't work. I guess it's not recognized in XKBOPTIONS |
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| 19:59.47 | tensorpudding | the packages you're trying to remove have dependencies |
| 20:00.01 | Thordasin | well if thats the webiste i have booked marked for the dbein on n900 they don't probed any kernel source all there references are useing the old kernel from the maemo install. they talk about puting stuff in main line though so i thought the main line krnel would work. |
| 20:00.16 | syockit | oooh blimey, just how do I enable this lv3 thing? |
| 20:00.21 | tensorpudding | the resolver will remove all those packages who will have unsatisfied dependencies |
| 20:00.24 | tensorpudding | that huge list of them |
| 20:00.28 | syockit | I thought lv3 is mapped to mod5 by default? |
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| 20:01.16 | tensorpudding | MarKsaitis: if removing gnome is what you want to do, you need to remove all those packages |
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| 20:01.21 | Thordasin | brb gonna check that link out. |
| 20:01.35 | MarKsaitis | tensorpudding, I have installed Debian with GNOME. But now I want to use KDE instead. I have installed kde-standard and I do not want that GNOME |
| 20:02.05 | tensorpudding | MarKsaitis: if you remove those gnome libraries, all applications that use them must be remove |
| 20:02.16 | tensorpudding | you have to that and allow aptitude to remove them |
| 20:02.49 | MarKsaitis | so the output it gave me is ok? |
| 20:02.56 | MarKsaitis | will it not break much stuff? |
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| 20:03.05 | Thordasin | well my browser says wiki.debian.org/package-n900 does not exist yet but :) i can create it if i want *chuckle* |
| 20:03.28 | stew | Thordasin: http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-n900 |
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| 20:03.42 | tensorpudding | MarKsaitis: it might, you should peruse the output |
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| 20:05.30 | tensorpudding | MarKsaitis: the ones with recommended dependencies might not function as well without gnome |
| 20:05.42 | Thordasin | oops my speech said package not pkg need to fix that :) |
| 20:05.58 | MarKsaitis | tensorpudding, ok |
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| 20:09.06 | Thordasin | thats what i needed thaks much, its the same people i found but ehy are aparently in the midst of migrateing over the the debian git/web and such |
| 20:09.21 | MarKsaitis | What app do I use too see my disk usage at a glance? |
| 20:09.32 | avheoz | df |
| 20:09.52 | avheoz | or baobab if you want a graphical overview per directory |
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| 20:10.45 | MarKsaitis | ok. How do I save my current KDE configuration? I think I want to reinstall my debian with more carefully chosen packages and KDE only. |
| 20:10.58 | MarKsaitis | i want to save my KDE configuration and then restore it |
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| 20:11.19 | Thordasin | bye for now guys can't concentrate while hearing you talk *wink* |
| 20:11.20 | stew | MarKsaitis: why reinstall instead of just removing what you don't want? |
| 20:11.23 | thewanderer1s1 | for NFS4+krb5 to work, do I need a root principal for the client configured? |
| 20:11.28 | avheoz | hm i'm not sure what you mean by kde configuration.. dunno if you can store that separately |
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| 20:11.55 | MarKsaitis | By KDE configuration I mean my currently and launched KDE theme, colours and other nice configs |
| 20:11.56 | MarKsaitis | :) |
| 20:12.06 | stew | MarKsaitis: just "/msg dpkg remove gnome" |
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| 20:13.00 | MarKsaitis | stew, thats what I did and thats the output of it in pastebin |
| 20:13.06 | stew | MarKsaitis: yes, it looks fine |
| 20:13.15 | MarKsaitis | the trouble is that I only have 8GB of space |
| 20:13.25 | stew | MarKsaitis: why is that a problem? |
| 20:13.25 | MarKsaitis | and only 700MB free |
| 20:13.36 | MarKsaitis | with KDE and GNOME |
| 20:13.49 | MarKsaitis | stew, does that output look ok? |
| 20:13.52 | stew | MarKsaitis: yes |
| 20:14.11 | stew | MarKsaitis: you will have more free after you remove gnome |
| 20:14.15 | stew | and then run "aptitude clean" |
| 20:14.15 | daveo | can someone recommend a good ref/site for getting a windows7 box and linuxmint(deb) to share over dhcp? |
| 20:14.18 | thewanderer1s1 | where is a working NFS4+Kerberos howto for Debian? |
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| 20:14.46 | MarKsaitis | stew, what does it mean "Leave the following deps unresolved"? |
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| 20:14.55 | MarKsaitis | sounds like a trouble to me |
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| 20:15.28 | stew | MarKsaitis: yes, you are causing trouble for packages which are being removed anyway |
| 20:15.28 | MarKsaitis | what will happen with entries in this list of unresolved stuff? And why? |
| 20:15.33 | antiwire | Hey, I blacklisted ipv6 module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but the system still shows IPV6 support after a reboot. What is the correct way to stop IVP6 stack from loading? |
| 20:15.38 | stew | MarKsaitis: they are being removed |
| 20:15.42 | stew | MarKsaitis: which is your goal |
| 20:16.13 | stew | MarKsaitis: you'll notice that every package with a broken recommends is being removed anyway |
| 20:16.49 | stew | !noipv6 |
| 20:16.49 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 20:16.55 | MarKsaitis | stew, In that output I have two sections - Section 1: "packages to be removed" and Section 2: "Leave the following deps unresolved". Each of these sections have a big list of packages. I want to know more about Section 2 please |
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| 20:17.08 | antiwire | stew: thanks dude |
| 20:17.54 | stew | MarKsaitis: aptitude seems a bit confused. the second section talks about package which are having their Recommends: not completely satisfied. Recommends are packages which are not strictly required for running, but expected to be present |
| 20:18.18 | stew | MarKsaitis: for all the packages in this list, you should not care that there recommends are being broken, since these packages are not going to exist after you are done anyway |
| 20:18.21 | MarKsaitis | So it will not remove them will it? |
| 20:18.33 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 20:18.35 | stew | MarKsaitis: yes, it will remove them |
| 20:18.48 | MarKsaitis | thanx for clarifying |
| 20:18.59 | stew | i'm not sure why they are showing up in the second list since they are in the first list |
| 20:19.03 | MarKsaitis | it will only free 1.3GB for me |
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| 20:19.19 | MarKsaitis | I am wondering why my linux takes more than 6GB |
| 20:19.27 | MarKsaitis | on a fresh install :) |
| 20:19.30 | avheoz | is there any specific channel for arm debian? i'm running into some trouble with usb/sd speed on my dreamplug |
| 20:19.33 | stew | because it isn't a fresh install |
| 20:19.48 | stew | avheoz: #debian-arm on irc.debian.org |
| 20:19.54 | avheoz | stew: thanks, will try |
| 20:20.06 | stew | MarKsaitis: aptitude clean will free more |
| 20:20.15 | MarKsaitis | why? |
| 20:20.24 | stew | MarKsaitis: look up what aptitude clean does |
| 20:20.28 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 20:21.00 | MarKsaitis | oh it removes all .deb stuff |
| 20:21.01 | MarKsaitis | good |
| 20:23.24 | MarKsaitis | There is one thing I dont like: why the hell there are no software updates? For example in my debian I have old QT Creator version 2010.06. Why the hell the system doesnt tell me that there is a new stable version? |
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| 20:24.16 | project2501a | yet another greek |
| 20:24.28 | project2501a | is there a perf diff between virtbox and xen? |
| 20:25.05 | project2501a | cuz to me, the pain of putting up xen, does not look it is worth it |
| 20:26.12 | pickcoder | I'd avoid vbox just for the sake of it being Oracle/Sun now if it wasn't for the performance of it on a Windows host |
| 20:26.19 | pickcoder | I don't use it on Linux |
| 20:26.29 | pickcoder | I have Xen under RH5 so no comparison there |
| 20:26.38 | project2501a | i use it on linux, it's is still gpl |
| 20:26.46 | pickcoder | for now |
| 20:26.58 | project2501a | well, it cannot be un-gpled |
| 20:27.04 | pickcoder | it'll probably be IBM soon |
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| 20:27.19 | project2501a | pickcoder: i got 99 problems, but my OS, aint one :D |
| 20:27.20 | pickcoder | no but corp dev can stop and a commercial version diverge |
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| 20:28.53 | project2501a | *shrug* from my point of view, the latest version of virtbox is pretty much perfect. i'm no linux kernel developer, but besides an increase in performance the only thing virtbox needs is fixing 100% of the bugs and it can stay there, afaic |
| 20:29.43 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: are you running squeeze? |
| 20:29.51 | MarKsaitis | yes |
| 20:30.02 | ompaul | !stable |
| 20:30.02 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 20:30.06 | MarKsaitis | Software Center dissapeared! |
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| 20:30.22 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: are you Greek? |
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| 20:30.34 | stew | MarKsaitis: stable was frozen in 2010.08 |
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| 20:31.01 | pickcoder | I'm not brand petty, but a questionable future for a GPL project is never a good thing if you plan on deploying it commercially. On the other hand commercial solutions aren't a term guarantee either. |
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| 20:31.27 | ompaul | pickcoder: so you can't back a horse - news at 11 ;-) |
| 20:31.29 | MarKsaitis | What is the point to freeze it and not allow the use of newer stable software? I do not understand the point :0 Weird stuff |
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| 20:31.35 | pickcoder | ompaul: heh |
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| 20:31.50 | stew | MarKsaitis: becuase that's the entire definition of stable in this case. not changing |
| 20:32.23 | stew | MarKsaitis: adding new version is adding new bugs, and forcing users/admins to reconfigure things. we want to provide something that works, and will continue to work unchanged until we have another well tested stable release |
| 20:32.31 | MarKsaitis | so what is the point then of using lets say a QT Creator which is 1 year old? |
| 20:32.42 | MarKsaitis | and it changed quite a lot over 1 year |
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| 20:32.50 | stew | MarKsaitis: the point is to not get those changes |
| 20:32.54 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: it means you can run a server for a long time and as long you don't "NEED" new versions of stuff the box can be deployed and less maintenance time will ensue and therefore allow you get a higher score on minesweeper |
| 20:32.58 | MarKsaitis | i dont understand what is the point of these updates which dotn update this software |
| 20:33.01 | daveo | MarKsaitis: in a business environment STABLE is utmost important |
| 20:33.08 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: use backports or move to testing if you want newer software than is available in stable |
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| 20:33.15 | stew | MarKsaitis: you will typically only get security updates in stable |
| 20:33.28 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, minisweeper :) |
| 20:33.29 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I deploy a linux desktop in a workplace to non techies |
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| 20:33.33 | project2501a | pickcoder: yeah, look at redhat |
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| 20:33.55 | pickcoder | I love being on a 2.6.18 kernel.... |
| 20:34.02 | pickcoder | on a new machine |
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| 20:34.44 | MarKsaitis | well, lets say 1yr old version of qt creator has a bug and the current version doesnt. How the hell is that approached in these stable distros? |
| 20:34.45 | pickcoder | I'm actually considering running Squeeze as a Xen domain host |
| 20:34.58 | pickcoder | and sticking RH ontop of it just for the sake of decent hardware support |
| 20:35.02 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: backports, or run testing |
| 20:35.14 | pickcoder | I have a RH5 ceritifed IBM server and lm-sensors doesn't work |
| 20:35.16 | stew | MarKsaitis: its not. unless the bug is a security but, or makes the entire qt creator unusable, the bug remains |
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| 20:36.00 | MarKsaitis | how the distro can be stable if after few years it will have many discovered bugs in most softwares???? And the new versions in these softwares willhave these bugs fixed? |
| 20:36.13 | MarKsaitis | STABLE=UNSTABLE |
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| 20:36.27 | wolfric | Does debian show what build options it builts its binaries with anywhere? |
| 20:36.41 | stew | MarKsaitis: no, you are missing the point. when debian says "stable" it means "not changing". it doesn't necessarily mean "not buggy" |
| 20:36.53 | wolfric | among other things, i wanted to know if sudo is built with ldap support |
| 20:37.09 | project2501a | wolfric: thought pam |
| 20:37.11 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: and stable means all works together as best it can - if it is not a security risk it should be ok for most use cases |
| 20:37.11 | stew | MarKsaitis: upgrading software will fix some knwon bugs, and introduce other unkown bugs. we prefer the known bugs to the unknown bugs in stable |
| 20:37.47 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: why do you need the "NEW QT" if you don't mind me asking |
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| 20:38.06 | MarKsaitis | stew, but its all very stupid not to get new stable updates of particular software you use.... |
| 20:38.15 | stew | MarKsaitis: then you don't want to use debian |
| 20:38.19 | wolfric | Posterdati: thought pam? |
| 20:38.33 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I need new QT because I want QT to be same version on my windows as well as linux |
| 20:38.37 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: from Webster. stable adj: 1. a: firmly established : FIXED, STEADFAST <stable opinions>, b: not changing or fluctuating : UNVARYING <in stable condition> |
| 20:38.37 | stew | MarKsaitis: we've been doing it a long time and we really know wnat we are doing. its not stupid, thanks |
| 20:38.47 | MarKsaitis | stew, its not about debian its about all linux :) |
| 20:38.55 | project2501a | pickcoder: erh, sorry? redhat has "descent hardware support"? |
| 20:38.57 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I don't want / need windows so I can't understand that |
| 20:39.05 | stew | MarKsaitis: sounds like you want a distro with a rolling release. debian doesn't have one targetted at end-users yet |
| 20:39.15 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: if you really need a specific version of something, you're welcome to install it, it just won't be in the official repos |
| 20:39.30 | wolfric | Posterdati: just in case there was any confusion, this is for the sudoers file not authentication |
| 20:39.50 | MarKsaitis | well that is the trouble. If I will install it myself from here http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/sdk-linux-x11-64bit-cpp |
| 20:39.50 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: the bigger the delta between your desktop and the release the more chances you find something else which won't work ;-) |
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| 20:40.07 | MarKsaitis | I will loose its management by package manager |
| 20:40.15 | stew | MarKsaitis: then use a different distro |
| 20:40.26 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: perhaps debian isn't the right distro for you |
| 20:40.34 | philips | Given a source tree with a debina/ directory how do I install all Build-Depends? |
| 20:40.45 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: Debian won't change overnight - but you can |
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| 20:41.02 | MarKsaitis | I think I like debian. All the others I tried are absolute crap. This one only has this single problem i just listed |
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| 20:41.25 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 20:41.43 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: it sound that you might wanna look into freebsd |
| 20:42.01 | project2501a | thought i hear freebsd is dying |
| 20:42.10 | stew | or wait for debian to implement a rolling release, which is in the planning stages now |
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| 20:42.25 | MarKsaitis | Can somebody tell me why a stable Windows 7 doesnt care whether Qt creator is 2 years old or if its todays release and doesnt introduce more bugs in to the whole system? |
| 20:42.35 | MarKsaitis | and it doesnt work this way on linux |
| 20:43.02 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: because windows is utter and complete crap and will let two things which conflict install and then let them fight it out later |
| 20:43.04 | project2501a | markatto: because windows 7 is aimed at end users |
| 20:43.06 | stew | MarKsaitis: its not any different under linux |
| 20:43.21 | MarKsaitis | so is Windows family OSes all rolling releases? :) well kind off in this whole sense wer talking |
| 20:43.26 | Quibus | good night |
| 20:43.34 | Quibus | by the way |
| 20:43.38 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: no, windows is just crap |
| 20:43.42 | stew | MarKsaitis: no, windows is not a rolling release |
| 20:43.43 | Quibus | I don't understand the rolling release. Just use testing and update it daily? :P |
| 20:43.44 | project2501a | good gaming platform, though. |
| 20:44.00 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, absolutelly nothing fights on my windows system. |
| 20:44.00 | twobitsprite | ugh... someone please tel me that griping about debian is offtopic so we can shut this guy up? :P |
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| 20:44.11 | stew | MarKsaitis: why won't a qt creator work in debian stable? |
| 20:44.28 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: this is offtopic to be honest, so you know the position, you have to make your mind up, do you want to have a delta or not, your call, have fun with the choice. |
| 20:44.32 | project2501a | twobitsprite: nah, just kick back and grab some popcorn |
| 20:44.35 | MarKsaitis | stew, its not any different under linux? So why cant I use newest Qt creator and not introduce more bugs? tell me please |
| 20:44.50 | stew | MarKsaitis: i don't know of a reason. that is the question I'm asking you |
| 20:44.50 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: you *can* use newer qt creator |
| 20:45.00 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: it just is not in "stable" |
| 20:45.05 | ompaul | !backports |
| 20:45.05 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 20:45.10 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: you are welcome to download the tarbal/clone the repo and compile qt creator yourself |
| 20:45.16 | stew | MarKsaitis: wait, without introduce new bugs?!? do you actually know of a version of qt creator that doesn't have any bugs at all? |
| 20:45.22 | project2501a | it just will not be in the official debian repos |
| 20:45.22 | MarKsaitis | stew, so if there are no reasons, why cant I use package manager to install and maintain newest stable software? :) |
| 20:45.30 | stew | MarKsaitis: is there a version of qt creator for windows that doesn't have any bugs? |
| 20:45.35 | stew | MarKsaitis: you can |
| 20:45.38 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: you can |
| 20:45.50 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: kindly go and read the backports page and leave the topic your question can only be asked so many ways |
| 20:45.51 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: if there's a .deb, you can download it and install it... |
| 20:45.57 | project2501a | tsourekia re malaka |
| 20:46.07 | ompaul | project2501a: not nice |
| 20:46.10 | MarKsaitis | STEW, you said that newer software might introduce bugs somewhere in the system, elsewhere than in that software itself |
| 20:46.19 | stew | MarKsaitis: no i didn't |
| 20:46.36 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: it may highlight something here to fore unknown |
| 20:46.51 | stew | MarKsaitis: of course, if you go upgrading qt, you have the potential to introduce new bugs in any software linked against those qt libraries |
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| 20:47.10 | MarKsaitis | ok. To clarify, the newest QT creator can run just fine under my sqweez debian? |
| 20:47.16 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: you can do LFS or you can do debian or gentoo or slackware but don't ask an irc channel to give you more than an offical position because you are just wasting your energy and ours thanks |
| 20:47.19 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: download it. try it. |
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| 20:47.26 | stew | MarKsaitis: i don't know of a reason why not, try it and see |
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| 20:47.30 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: you can install it... but we make no guarantees about how well it will run |
| 20:47.42 | twobitsprite | it might work fine, it might not |
| 20:47.44 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: go read the backports stuff that you were pointed at before I calle you a troll |
| 20:47.57 | project2501a | man, Greeks... |
| 20:48.01 | twobitsprite | since it hasn't been through the thorough testing process official debian packages have we can't know |
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| 20:49.18 | MarKsaitis | stew, well, here u said it. You said that new QT creator IDE might ontroduce problems in QT depending applications |
| 20:49.30 | stew | MarKsaitis: yes, of course |
| 20:49.32 | MarKsaitis | why is that? can somebody just explain it why it happens |
| 20:50.09 | stew | MarKsaitis: becuase all the software is dynamically linked so you don't have a separate copy of libqt for every qt based program on your machine |
| 20:50.14 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: because while the function call names remain the same, sometimes the underlying code changes and the whole behaviour of the libraries changes with it. |
| 20:50.14 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: if you change a car engine for another one will it be just newer or might it cause more problems - it is engineering and engineered for different stresses and layouts that is the problem |
| 20:50.17 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: it's just like if you install a version of directx on windows which has bugs... all programs which use directx will be affected by those bugs... |
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| 20:50.21 | silvering | hi guys, im trying to install vumeter for xmms, but after ./configure it says GTK+ >= 1.2.10 not installed |
| 20:50.23 | stew | MarKsaitis: so when you change that libqt with a new one, every program using it potentially inherits its bugs |
| 20:50.24 | silvering | but i have it installed! |
| 20:50.38 | MarKsaitis | Why windows doesnt care about stuff like that and it just all works and other apps do not brake if you install newer stuff :) I dont understand. This is such a big future. |
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| 20:51.14 | jlsksr | hallo welt! |
| 20:51.14 | twobitsprite | silvering: you might need to tell ./configure where it's installed |
| 20:51.27 | stew | MarKsaitis: this is not different in windwos for multiple programs which are sharing the same dll. you change that dll, anything that loads it could change |
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| 20:51.44 | silvering | twobitsprite: im not sure where its installed, and i dont know how to tell that to ./configure |
| 20:51.58 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: but it does happen in windows... just a few months ago I upgraded my video driver and it had a bug, and multiple applications would crash on me |
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| 20:52.13 | silvering | but im pretty sure its installed, because "libgtk1.2 is already the newest version." |
| 20:52.13 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: what stew said. hence the term "dll hell" |
| 20:52.23 | stew | MarKsaitis: however, it is more common that people distributing windows applications would statically link everything, because they have no idea what shared libraries might be on your windows system, since there isn't (afaik, i don't use windows) anything like debian package management for the software to declare dependencies on well known shared libraries |
| 20:52.27 | project2501a | and why .net is using versioned libraries |
| 20:52.27 | MarKsaitis | stew, but in a simplest ever example: Old and new Qt Creator IDE is a no go for linux but it works on windows since windows doesnt matter about this nonsense. This is a fact, undeniable. |
| 20:52.42 | project2501a | MarKsaitis: what do you mean "no go"? |
| 20:52.44 | jimcooncat | stew, I was going to say that! I'm too slow though |
| 20:52.55 | stew | MarKsaitis: what is the problem with the new qt creator ide on linux? |
| 20:53.00 | jacky | hi, is there any tool to validate insatalled files with md5 against manipulation? IIRC there was some possibility to check binary executables/libs with a checksum... |
| 20:53.01 | MarKsaitis | No GO - doesnt work |
| 20:53.06 | project2501a | why does it work? |
| 20:53.15 | stew | MarKsaitis: do you get an error? why doesn't it work? |
| 20:53.17 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: and so why are you here and not running your windows? |
| 20:53.18 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: do you get errors when trying to install it? |
| 20:53.18 | stew | MarKsaitis: can you show us? |
| 20:53.29 | MarKsaitis | STEW, you just said it urself. You said that new QT creator IDE will brake other apps which depend on QT |
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| 20:53.31 | ompaul | stops |
| 20:53.35 | project2501a | wtf |
| 20:53.36 | project2501a | !op |
| 20:53.37 | stew | i quit |
| 20:53.40 | twobitsprite | troll |
| 20:53.42 | stew | project2501a: i'm right here, you dont' have to |
| 20:53.44 | ompaul | stew: ou are being trolled |
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| 20:53.48 | project2501a | return 255; |
| 20:53.51 | project2501a | no |
| 20:53.52 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I am here to understand it all as i want linux too |
| 20:53.52 | project2501a | return -1 |
| 20:54.01 | MarKsaitis | I need more insight. |
| 20:54.02 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: you want to troll :P |
| 20:54.04 | project2501a | re arxidi mas ta exeis kanei tsourekia |
| 20:54.09 | project2501a | ante diabase kana biblio |
| 20:54.18 | stew | project2501a: english only in here please |
| 20:54.23 | stew | and lets just move on |
| 20:54.32 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: we've explained this to you in many different ways, yet you keep asking the same questions over and over as if you aren't listening to us |
| 20:54.37 | project2501a | stew: i'm trying in a language this guy will probably understand :P |
| 20:54.51 | stew | project2501a: do it privately then, or move to different channel |
| 20:54.56 | ompaul | project2501a: drop that ball and lets move to a new subject |
| 20:54.57 | project2501a | 10-4 |
| 20:55.22 | project2501a | so yeah. i got a quad-screen setup, with the two middle screens in portrait mode :D |
| 20:55.36 | project2501a | maaaan tht makes a HUGE xterm |
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| 20:55.54 | ompaul | project2501a: font size 1000 ? |
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| 20:56.18 | twobitsprite | font size >9000 |
| 20:56.19 | MarKsaitis | twobitsprite, well, so how the hell the same Qt creator IDE old and new versions just work on windows without causing problems. I just do not get it :) And I dont understand what is the point for these developers to kep developing their software while the new versions of it are not allowed to be used on my linux just because it brakes the system! |
| 20:56.19 | MarKsaitis | :) |
| 20:56.31 | project2501a | ompaul: http://www.flickr.com/photos/project2501a/5818438195/in/photostream |
| 20:56.46 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: go away or I will replace you with a shell script called /ignore :) |
| 20:57.03 | project2501a | can you please make it a /ban ? |
| 20:57.12 | MarKsaitis | Ok. So if newer Qt creator ide depends on newer libraries, then why can I not have different versions of these libraries? This would make everybody happy? |
| 20:57.21 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, :D |
| 20:57.29 | project2501a | someone needs to rtfm |
| 20:57.32 | pokkerface | where are the logs of the apps? |
| 20:57.36 | project2501a | on libraries |
| 20:57.39 | stew | MarKsaitis: you can if they are differentt SONAMEs |
| 20:57.59 | stew | MarKsaitis: or you can with a different style of distro like gobolinux |
| 20:58.10 | project2501a | or freebsd |
| 20:58.21 | ompaul | sorry can't deal with this irc good luck see you all in a while |
| 20:58.21 | project2501a | which has versioned library support |
| 20:58.51 | stew | but none of that would work for someone struggling to keep a desktop install under 8gb |
| 20:58.55 | MarKsaitis | But it is sadistic to force everybody use 1 or 2 years old IDE while a person can be watching the new version with shiny eyes and not be able to use it? |
| 20:59.03 | stew | MarKsaitis: then don't use debian |
| 20:59.06 | stew | MarKsaitis: it works for us |
| 20:59.25 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: just go use windows and stop bugging us |
| 20:59.33 | MarKsaitis | its not about debian. I had centos - a disaster. There were many more ridiculous probs :) |
| 20:59.40 | tensorpudding | if you don't like debian's release schedule, you could try using a debian derivative |
| 20:59.42 | stew | MarKsaitis: if its not about debian, you are in the wrong channel |
| 21:00.06 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: you've been told numerous times that you *can* install the newer version, and even told a couple of ways *how* yet you persist with this idea that we're somehow preventing you from doing so |
| 21:00.21 | project2501a | he probably does not have root |
| 21:00.29 | stew | he does |
| 21:00.29 | twobitsprite | heh |
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| 21:00.51 | jelly-home | the root cause seems to be a layer 8 issue |
| 21:00.55 | MarKsaitis | I have root. Ok, well which way was it which doesnt introduce more bugs in my system and package manager still manages my qt creator ide? |
| 21:00.59 | project2501a | jelly-home: lol |
| 21:01.01 | MarKsaitis | which way was it, i want it |
| 21:01.02 | MarKsaitis | :) |
| 21:01.17 | stew | MarKsaitis: first, you have to find a bug free version of qt, which will be impossible |
| 21:01.31 | project2501a | for any gien instance |
| 21:01.38 | MarKsaitis | dont tell me what impossible. I only like possible options |
| 21:01.50 | project2501a | good for you |
| 21:01.54 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: all software has bugs... but if you're just looking for a newer version which is likely to not have many bugs, try backports |
| 21:02.15 | stew | however, qt won't be backported, and doing so would be a monumental task |
| 21:02.27 | MarKsaitis | do those backports use the same old qt libraries? |
| 21:02.32 | project2501a | yes |
| 21:02.41 | project2501a | yes they do |
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| 21:03.49 | MarKsaitis | so that new qt creator ide works fine with older qt libs? So where is the problem? Why cant i just install it and leave my existing qt libs as they are? |
| 21:04.06 | twobitsprite | MarKsaitis: no one is saying you can't |
| 21:04.10 | twobitsprite | ,versions qtcreator |
| 21:04.10 | judd | Package qtcreator on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-3; wheezy: 1.3.1-3; sid: 2.1.0-1 |
| 21:04.24 | twobitsprite | although, it looks like the newer version isn't in backports |
| 21:04.28 | stew | judd: build-dep qtcreator --release sid |
| 21:04.29 | judd | Package qtcreator -- Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 7.4.15), libqt4-dev (>= 4:4.6.0), qt4-dev-tools. |
| 21:04.37 | stew | judd: versions libqt4-dev |
| 21:04.39 | judd | Package libqt4-dev on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4; sid: 4:4.7.3-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.3-1 |
| 21:04.57 | project2501a | looks good |
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| 21:05.08 | project2501a | should be able to upgrade just those packages, no prob |
| 21:05.12 | stew | MarKsaitis: so yes, see above, it claims to work with the libqt4-dev in stable |
| 21:05.26 | stew | judd: depends qtcreator --release sid |
| 21:05.27 | judd | Package qtcreator -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-declarative (>= 4:4.7.1), libqt4-designer (>= 4:4.7.1), libqt4-help (>= 4:4.7.1), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.7.1), libqt4-script (>= 4:4.7.1), libqt4-sql (>= 4:4.7.1), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.7.1), libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.7.1), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.7.1), libqtwebkit4, libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), libqt4-sql-sqlite. |
| 21:05.41 | stew | so no, he can't just install the pacakge, but he could perhaps try to backport it |
| 21:05.50 | project2501a | hm |
| 21:06.04 | MarKsaitis | hmz |
| 21:06.20 | stew | however, i'll bet it quickly turns into a nightmare of dependencies that also have to be backported |
| 21:06.30 | project2501a | let him try |
| 21:06.33 | project2501a | nothing to lose |
| 21:06.53 | pokkerface | MarKsaitis: dont waste more time, turn to the blue screen |
| 21:07.03 | gnugr | only a greek can turn a channel up/side/down |
| 21:07.13 | project2501a | den gamiesai re ntalara? |
| 21:07.20 | stew | project2501a: english only... |
| 21:07.28 | jelly-home | project2501a: not you |
| 21:07.29 | project2501a | sorry, couldn't resist. |
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| 21:07.32 | stew | gnugr: please leave that type of comment to yourself |
| 21:07.32 | MarKsaitis | i just only want to know a way where I can use newer stable software releases like IDE's. I want this way to be able to list that software in package manager, still and not to break the system. That is all I want. I am happy about absolutelly everything else in Debian. |
| 21:07.43 | stew | MarKsaitis: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:08.08 | GREEK | ;] |
| 21:08.15 | project2501a | @@ |
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| 21:08.47 | GREEK | Whats wrong with being greek? Sounds like from greece |
| 21:08.47 | project2501a | as if we could not tell by your name. |
| 21:09.05 | tensorpudding | the curse of libraries, the more you link to them, the more you're stuck to them |
| 21:09.23 | stew | GREEK: lets please stay on-topic |
| 21:09.24 | tensorpudding | especially when you can't install multiple versions of a library at once |
| 21:09.26 | project2501a | tensorpudding: see .net has the right idea with versioned libraries. |
| 21:09.39 | marksaitis | ;] |
| 21:09.44 | stew | project2501a: are they doing anything you cannot do with sonames? |
| 21:09.57 | stew | project2501a: is there any good reason to have two different vesions of the same SONAME? |
| 21:10.12 | marksaitis | strew, would that work http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/sdk-linux-x11-64bit-cpp :) |
| 21:10.25 | marksaitis | it sugest me to just run that .bin file |
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| 21:10.58 | marksaitis | is there a system which can handle multiple different versions of libraries and overcome this huge problem and disadvantage? |
| 21:11.11 | tensorpudding | it might work, it might fail horribly |
| 21:11.30 | marksaitis | I am happy to try it |
| 21:11.30 | tensorpudding | oh, 22.7 megabytes |
| 21:11.41 | tensorpudding | you really oughtn't |
| 21:11.54 | tensorpudding | also what is it? |
| 21:12.00 | tensorpudding | this doesn't look like what you want |
| 21:12.01 | marksaitis | but after I have recently removed all of GNOME as im using KDE now, it seems that my software centre dissapeared on my debian too :( |
| 21:12.03 | stew | marksaitis: i don't know what that is, nor would I possibly be able to tell you if it works |
| 21:12.15 | stew | marksaitis: debian can have multiple different versions of libraries |
| 21:12.21 | marksaitis | tensorpudding, what is what? |
| 21:12.32 | tensorpudding | the thing you're trying to download |
| 21:12.40 | jelly-home | marksaitis: multiple different versions of libraries (including clashing sonames)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoboLinux |
| 21:13.01 | marksaitis | stew, can it? Can I have my existing QT libraries and the newer libraries required for qt creator ide to work? |
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| 21:13.08 | project2501a | stew: well, you can link against the same SONAME and just request a specific version of the library. doesn't sound a bit too bad of a solution. |
| 21:13.16 | pokkerface | 22MB but then starts to download.... |
| 21:13.27 | marksaitis | tensorpudding, qt creator IDE is an awesome c++ IDE integrated with QT framework |
| 21:13.44 | project2501a | cuz vi is not good enough. |
| 21:14.08 | stew | marksaitis: as we've already said, we dont believe the newer qtcreator need newer libraries than the ones on your systme |
| 21:14.10 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: and is that what you downloaded? |
| 21:14.27 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: software you install like that can interfere with software on your system |
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| 21:14.34 | marksaitis | STEW, so it does need new libraries and would just work? |
| 21:14.34 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: be wary of it |
| 21:14.43 | stew | god |
| 21:14.48 | stew | did i say I quit already? |
| 21:15.17 | project2501a | twice |
| 21:15.19 | stew | marksaitis: you need to try harder to read and understand the things we tell you so you don't ask the same questions over and over again |
| 21:15.26 | marksaitis | well over the last 20 minutes you said: it would work, no it wouldnt, it would work, no it wouldnt |
| 21:15.59 | marksaitis | ok, so to clarify, that qt creator has the same dependencies as the qt creator 1 yr ago? |
| 21:16.16 | jelly-home | amazing innit |
| 21:16.35 | thewanderer1s1 | is anyone running NFSv4 with Kerberos and can tell me how to make it work? |
| 21:16.36 | project2501a | yeah. and then they ask why did the greek state go bankrupt |
| 21:16.43 | tensorpudding | what's wrong with using the old version, anyway |
| 21:16.46 | project2501a | s/go/went/ |
| 21:16.53 | tensorpudding | man, don't bring greece into this |
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| 21:17.04 | jelly-home | they're allowed to |
| 21:17.08 | project2501a | why not? |
| 21:17.10 | stew | project2501a: you must avoid ad-hominems and stay on-topic |
| 21:17.20 | project2501a | stew: i'm greek. |
| 21:17.27 | jelly-home | stew: they're both Greek, and those are not ad-hominems |
| 21:17.45 | tensorpudding | because racial stereotyping and the european debt crisis is offtopic |
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| 21:17.55 | project2501a | "greek" is not a race |
| 21:18.02 | stew | seriously, drop it |
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| 21:18.06 | project2501a | aight |
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| 21:19.05 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: you can probably get the source package for the newer version of qtcreator and try building it |
| 21:19.43 | project2501a | marksaitis: it would help if you read the manual |
| 21:19.45 | project2501a | a lot |
| 21:19.46 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: this would be a relatively easy way of installing it, and because it creates a package, allows you to remove it easily |
| 21:19.49 | marksaitis | ok. So, according to most of you this fact must be true - "New qt creator and 1yr old qt creator which is in squeeze use the same qt libraries". Then why installing that new qt creator brakes stuff :) |
| 21:19.52 | project2501a | like 10-20 types of manuals. |
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| 21:20.23 | tensorpudding | a single version of debian has a single version of package associated with it |
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| 21:20.44 | twobitsprite | marksaitis: we didn't say it *would* break stuff, merely that it *could* and the whole point of debian stable is that new variables like that aren't introduced unnecesarily |
| 21:20.56 | tensorpudding | the new one is not in the stable release, but in the unstable "release" where new packages that aren't ready for release go |
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| 21:21.42 | twobitsprite | marksaitis: if you want a more up-to-date software selection, try debian testing... but as pointed out before, it isn't intended for new or casual users because it will occasionally break |
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| 21:22.08 | project2501a | fuck. i got artifacts on screen 0. is there a way to Control+L them? |
| 21:22.10 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: i think generally if you dislike the release schedule of debian, you ought consider using a different distro |
| 21:22.37 | tensorpudding | there's a lot of distros based on debian with more recent packages |
| 21:22.40 | jimcooncat | perhaps aptosid in a vm |
| 21:22.55 | marksaitis | Therefore I can state: If a new qt creator IDE binary uses same old system libraries, why the hell it can not come thorough some sort of user software updates? You all just said that in this case this new stable version of this software would not introduce any troubles |
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| 21:23.09 | project2501a | zzzzzzz |
| 21:23.17 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: stable means no major changes |
| 21:23.19 | twobitsprite | marksaitis: because that's the point of stable... we're going in cicles again |
| 21:23.26 | tensorpudding | updates are for security and fixing bugs |
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| 21:24.09 | project2501a | marksaitis: you fucked it and it died, seriously. either go download the backport or dist-upgrade to wheezy. or unstable. or experimental. |
| 21:24.16 | twobitsprite | marksaitis: again also, *again* you are free to try to build the newer version on your stable system, no one is stopping you |
| 21:24.38 | marksaitis | project2501a, but I been told that backport may want hundreds of other hungry libraries to be backported too :D |
| 21:24.40 | tensorpudding | testing won't fix the problem |
| 21:24.40 | stew | project2501a: don't recommend that new users run unstable, please |
| 21:24.49 | tensorpudding | the new version of qtcreator hasn't been added there yet |
| 21:24.54 | stew | marksaitis: please drop this. your questions have been answered, but you keep re-asking them |
| 21:24.58 | project2501a | stew: i will keep it mind. |
| 21:25.22 | marksaitis | STEW ok :) |
| 21:25.42 | project2501a | marksaitis: then, that is the price you will have to pay. so, man the f up and either upgrade, or stay as is. either way, please stfu and go rtfm |
| 21:25.44 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: the solution is to build the new source version |
| 21:25.46 | marksaitis | I will try to come up with some new questions. All ur input is appreciated, im trying to get some insight |
| 21:26.05 | twobitsprite | goes home |
| 21:26.13 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: to do this, you need to fetch the source package, install the build dependencies, build the package, install it using dpkg |
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| 21:27.16 | project2501a | is here a way to tell my x server to "refresh" the screen, because it has artifacts? |
| 21:27.22 | marksaitis | Anyways, we have just been duscusing a very weird problem which all linux has. |
| 21:27.39 | project2501a | it is not wierd, and it is not a linux-specific problem |
| 21:27.45 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: sometimes, as it appears in this case, the deps for the source package are satisfied by versions already in stable, so you just need to run 'apt-get install' them |
| 21:27.46 | pickcoder | project2501a: are they collectible artifacts? |
| 21:27.59 | pickcoder | sell them on ebaaaay |
| 21:28.05 | project2501a | pickcoder: dunno, i don't think i unlocked an achievement |
| 21:28.06 | project2501a | yet |
| 21:28.23 | marksaitis | ;]]]] |
| 21:28.23 | project2501a | "achievement unlocked: debian-med maintainer" |
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| 21:28.50 | marksaitis | does anybody know why my software centre dissapeared from my stable debian? |
| 21:29.00 | project2501a | no. |
| 21:29.20 | project2501a | um, i take that back: Archbisop Christodoulos does |
| 21:29.35 | tensorpudding | what do you mean by software center? |
| 21:30.04 | ZykoticK9 | tensorpudding, i'm guessing the "Ubuntu Software Center" which is installable in squeeze... |
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| 21:30.19 | tensorpudding | eh? that's pretty strange |
| 21:30.29 | project2501a | aw, gaud. who on earth installed THAT in debian? |
| 21:30.30 | tensorpudding | i thought debian was going to adopt packagekit |
| 21:30.47 | marksaitis | tensorpudding, software center? That app which shows all categories of software u can install from ur repos? |
| 21:30.56 | marksaitis | A very nice thing to explore stuff which u can get |
| 21:31.27 | kian | i have a non-LSB-compliant init script; upon upgrading an unrelated package, debian wanted to stop mysql-server -- theres no relationship between any of these packages in /etc/, where else should i look? |
| 21:31.39 | tensorpudding | i don't know the name of the app you mean |
| 21:31.40 | Bushmills | unless it disappears for unknmown reason :D |
| 21:31.47 | project2501a | it's called "ubuntu" |
| 21:32.07 | project2501a | marksaitis: are you sure you are not running ubuntu? |
| 21:32.38 | jelly-home | marksaitis: software center is a new addition and isn't really as intergrated as it could be, in Debian |
| 21:32.54 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: try reinstalling it |
| 21:32.56 | jelly-home | *cough*buggy crap*cough* |
| 21:33.07 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: it's entirely possible you removed it when you removed gnome |
| 21:33.16 | tensorpudding | though unlikely, i think it doesn't depend on gnome |
| 21:33.33 | project2501a | good riddance really. |
| 21:33.35 | marksaitis | no i am running Debian. Seriosuly, i must say, i am a secondary linux user for the last 5 years. I still explore it loghtly. Tried a lot of linux versions. Debian is the one i got least trouble with. Only this strange "will not run new software" thing |
| 21:33.38 | project2501a | apt-get <3 |
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| 21:34.09 | marksaitis | tensorpudding, yeah, it dissapeared when I removed gnome |
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| 21:34.29 | tensorpudding | marksaitis: well, do you remember what i said when you were going to remove it? |
| 21:34.42 | tensorpudding | i said that it had to remove everything that depended on gnome |
| 21:34.57 | tensorpudding | in order to install the software center, you need to have some gnome libraries, the ones you removed |
| 21:35.05 | tensorpudding | in for a penny, in for a pound |
| 21:35.38 | jkyle | I've set up some iptables rules. included are catch all for bandwidth logging with a log-prefix of BANDWIDTH_(IN/OUT): I set up rsyslog to redirect these messages to /var/log/bandwidth (which it is) |
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| 21:36.20 | tensorpudding | yeah, i pulled up that pastebin |
| 21:36.22 | jkyle | problem is, it seems log messages are being mangled by rsyslog before being sent to /var/log/messages. Making it difficult (impossible?) to filter them properly. |
| 21:36.24 | marksaitis | I have chosen Qt stuff over GTK and therefore KDE as its based on QT. I think starting development on QT is easier for the beginer because its IDE provides a lot of tools which are usefull to learn stuff as you go. Does anybody think I made a bad choice? |
| 21:36.29 | tensorpudding | it removed software-center due to unsatisfied dependencies |
| 21:36.53 | tensorpudding | Qt versus GTK opinions should be discussed elsewhere |
| 21:37.05 | jkyle | I'll get entries that start like this: <7>BANDWIDTH_IN or mid entry like this: S790=1520x1=13 |
| 21:37.11 | nkuttler | marksaitis: as a user i prefer gtk apps. just saying |
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| 21:38.13 | jkyle | anyone know where the heck that behavior is coming from? |
| 21:38.21 | marksaitis | tensorpudding, where should I discuss that? Can u point me to the right place pls |
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| 21:38.32 | tensorpudding | #debian-offtopic, i guess |
| 21:38.33 | marksaitis | nkuttler, ok :) |
| 21:38.48 | marksaitis | I need big audience |
| 21:39.05 | marksaitis | but thanx, i tried linux for that |
| 21:40.04 | tensorpudding | oh gosh |
| 21:40.07 | tensorpudding | they'll ban you |
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| 21:40.43 | marksaitis | they didnt :) |
| 21:40.58 | tensorpudding | not yet |
| 21:41.19 | jkyle | they'll ban you in #linux for asking about Qt? |
| 21:41.30 | tensorpudding | for being offtopic |
| 21:41.32 | marksaitis | no they will not |
| 21:41.36 | marksaitis | its very on topic |
| 21:41.55 | marksaitis | whats up with all of you "off topic", "offtopic", like a bunch of birds =) |
| 21:42.06 | jkyle | seems pretty on topic...isn't #linux just an "everything linux chan" |
| 21:42.20 | marksaitis | agreed |
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| 21:43.04 | Ihasallthebeer | seems the rest of the birds care to share nothing regarding aufs/unionfs... why not |
| 21:43.15 | Ihasallthebeer | they will only ban you in linux if psijack is there |
| 21:43.35 | Ihasallthebeer | he is a douche of douches |
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| 21:45.53 | jelly-home | marksaitis: this channel seems to be primarily about tech support, not discussing opinions; support questions take huge precedence |
| 21:46.17 | Ihasallthebeer | undoubtedly, given its specificity |
| 21:46.35 | jelly-home | #debian-offtopic, however, welcomes all discussion EXCEPT support questions |
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| 21:47.21 | nkuttler | reminds me. upgrading to squeeze still didn't fix my ssh + bash + screen rxvt messing up :\ help! |
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| 21:48.57 | marksaitis | but thers 10 times less pl in offtopic channels, useless to ask smth and talk with :) you always have the choice not to doscuss opinions with sbd. Although I appreciate everything anyway :) |
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| 21:50.20 | nkuttler | marksaitis: try /msg alis help or #defocus |
| 21:50.43 | jelly-home | it's hard to read support lines in between chatter when they're mixed in unfavorable ratios |
| 21:50.46 | marksaitis | who is alis |
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| 21:51.35 | jelly-home | nkuttler: "messing up" is a bit vague |
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| 21:51.55 | jkyle | s rsyslog quirkiness is pernicious |
| 21:52.03 | nkuttler | jelly-home: never mind |
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| 21:53.08 | jelly-home | jkyle: what does your rsyslog.conf look like, anyway |
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| 21:53.36 | jkyle | sec, I'll post it. Or you just want the rsyslog.d/iptables.conf? |
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| 21:53.47 | jelly-home | I haven't done filtering with it but a coworker did and he didn't notice any fowl play |
| 21:53.56 | jkyle | :regex, startswith, "BANDWIDTH" -/var/log/bandwidth |
| 21:54.00 | jkyle | & ~ |
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| 21:54.31 | jelly-home | & ~ ? |
| 21:54.34 | jkyle | but in /var/log/messages I still get partial log entries and mangled entries like "kernel: PROTO=TCP SPT=41033 DPT=11235 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 ACK" |
| 21:54.39 | marksaitis | Guys, can I ask you, does any of you earn more than 100K a year? |
| 21:54.41 | jkyle | & ~ means stop filtering this entry |
| 21:54.51 | marksaitis | from this huge linux knowledge |
| 21:55.19 | jkyle | marksaitis: I'm earning less, but only because I'm in a startup and negotiating an options plan |
| 21:55.24 | babilen | marksaitis: Please, you've already been advised that topics like these are off-topic in here. Take it elsewhere. |
| 21:55.25 | jelly-home | jkyle: sounds as if the source is already split in multiple lines |
| 21:55.26 | jkyle | but linux isn't the only knowledge I have |
| 21:55.51 | marksaitis | babilen, I am just curious :) dont worry too much and u will be ok |
| 21:55.56 | jkyle | let me poke around iptables docs and see if it mentions splitting |
| 21:56.09 | marksaitis | jkyle, ok thanx :) |
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| 21:56.12 | jelly-home | jkyle: squeeze? |
| 21:56.42 | jkyle | yup |
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| 21:57.45 | project2501a | fuckturd bionformaticians and their f'ing -static |
| 21:58.11 | marksaitis | why |
| 21:58.28 | project2501a | what do you mean "why"? |
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| 21:58.40 | project2501a | have you ever looked at bioinformatics code? |
| 21:58.44 | marksaitis | What does ur last sentence mean? :) |
| 21:58.46 | marksaitis | no |
| 21:58.56 | project2501a | ok. go back to reading the manual, then. |
| 21:59.13 | marksaitis | tell me which one |
| 21:59.48 | project2501a | start with O'Reilly's "Learning the Unix operating system", 6th version. |
| 21:59.58 | project2501a | easy enough. |
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| 22:02.05 | jkyle | this is the log output I'm seeing in messages: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/gshn0mbb4azesf6yyqgdq |
| 22:02.22 | marksaitis | I somehow think that it is a good system and it is worth learning much more about it. But I do not see any amazing advantages which would hugely benefit me for doing all of that. I am only an IT Admin with good knowledge on windows servers etc.... and some good past knowledge in delphi. Can anybody list me some good benefits and advantages which I probably just dont see? Please elinghten my view |
| 22:02.45 | project2501a | read the manual |
| 22:02.57 | project2501a | it will all make sense. you have been clicking buttons for too long. |
| 22:03.19 | project2501a | besides, IT in greece is right about coming from the stone age |
| 22:03.30 | project2501a | they are still clinging on to Access for database |
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| 22:04.26 | marksaitis | I dont care about greece very much :) its just a strange word for me |
| 22:04.34 | jelly-home | jkyle: is it still split that way in /var/log/kern.log if you go back to default .conf file? |
| 22:04.40 | jkyle | marksaitis: google can answer that question for you ad nauseum |
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| 22:04.48 | project2501a | markatto: you live in it. |
| 22:04.50 | jkyle | letmme check kern |
| 22:04.53 | marksaitis | ad nauseum |
| 22:05.05 | jkyle | nope, looks clean there |
| 22:05.11 | marksaitis | why do u think I live in greece? |
| 22:05.12 | marksaitis | =))) |
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| 22:05.39 | jkyle | hm. perhaps I can flip my psad to monitor kern.log instead of messages. the end goal of all of this is so my port scanning filters won't keep triggering on these entries |
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| 22:07.18 | jelly-home | jkyle: hmph, I can't provide any further clues without actually replicating the iptables LOG rules and your rsyslog.conf; not going to do that tonight |
| 22:07.43 | jkyle | take it back. kern.log is showing the same pattern |
| 22:08.37 | jelly-home | so the lines might come pre-split at input or rsyslog's reader of klog ring buffer is buggy |
| 22:09.38 | jelly-home | jkyle: I guess you could look if newer rsyslog changelog say anything about fixing their klogd functionality and maybe backport it as an acto fo faith |
| 22:10.03 | jelly-home | "when in doubt, upgrade" |
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| 22:10.17 | jelly-home | ^^ not a good way to do IT |
| 22:10.22 | jkyle | I haven't upgraded yet, I could. I usually try to avoid if there's not a compelling reason |
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| 22:10.38 | jkyle | usually puncutated by a sure fix |
| 22:10.39 | jelly-home | I mean just rsyslog, not the whole system *shudder* |
| 22:10.45 | jkyle | thank god |
| 22:11.12 | jelly-home | jkyle: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:11.33 | jelly-home | has backported logrotate in a lot of places |
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| 22:12.29 | project2501a | i got artifacts on screen 0. is there a way to Control+L them, or tell the x server to repaint the screen? |
| 22:12.32 | jkyle | rsyslog is current |
| 22:12.48 | jelly-home | ,versions rsyslog |
| 22:12.50 | judd | Package rsyslog on i386 -- lenny: 3.18.6-4; lenny-backports: 4.6.4-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.4-2; wheezy: 5.8.0-1; sid: 5.8.1-1 |
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| 22:13.08 | jelly-home | project2501a: xrefresh? |
| 22:13.10 | themill | project2501a: chvt 1; chvt 7 ? |
| 22:13.30 | jelly-home | xrefresh doesn't work with compositing WMs |
| 22:14.30 | project2501a | jelly-home: tried that. no go. themill will try that |
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| 22:16.06 | marksaitis | project2501a, I think that every greece must have some sort of artifacts |
| 22:16.25 | project2501a | go back to the books and read, you |
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| 22:18.28 | project2501a | jelly-home: http://imgur.com/2dlpd this is what i get |
| 22:18.35 | jkyle | jelly-home: ah, guess I could backport it. that'a a major version difference |
| 22:18.52 | Tramp | jkyle: and the messages look fine in /proc/kmesg? |
| 22:19.02 | jkyle | and I already ahve |
| 22:19.08 | jkyle | lemme check, Tramp |
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| 22:20.33 | jkyle | yeah, they look alright. looks like there's a prepending numeral to it (looks like the log level, debug=7) |
| 22:20.34 | jkyle | <7>BANDWIDTH_IN:IN=venet0 OUT= MAC= SRC=76.90.1.71 DST=74.63.3.99 LEN=40 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x00 TTL=50 ID=53082 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=33855 DPT=80 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 |
| 22:20.39 | jkyle | but, they're all on the proper line |
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| 22:20.55 | jkyle | not broken or anything |
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| 22:21.34 | Tramp | jkyle: hmm. ok. Then rsyslog seems to be the culprit indeed. |
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| 22:21.56 | jkyle | good call, btw |
| 22:23.02 | jkyle | let me read over the rsyslog.conf file again, see if I missed something |
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| 22:24.31 | simonlnu | it's a format change |
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| 22:24.37 | jkyle | simonlnu: ? |
| 22:24.46 | simonlnu | you can set whatever format you want with rsyslog |
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| 22:25.37 | simonlnu | i set the priority, facility, and source, but differently (clearer for me) |
| 22:27.41 | jkyle | oh, the number |
| 22:27.47 | jkyle | yeah. I don't have a issue with that. it's fine |
| 22:28.28 | pickcoder | is there a good anti-malware+anti-virus for Debian? clamav is usually out-of-date |
| 22:29.02 | jkyle | clamd |
| 22:29.18 | pickcoder | what's the difference |
| 22:29.32 | pickcoder | clamd/clamav |
| 22:29.36 | jkyle | my bad, answered before I got to the end. but do you mean debian's is out of date of calmav is in general? |
| 22:29.53 | nyov | pickcoder: if you want "better", you usually have to pay the guys doing the work, meaning look for commercial |
| 22:29.56 | pickcoder | well near zero-day stuff rarely gets seen |
| 22:30.10 | pickcoder | nyov: I would like to pay IF they keep up with things |
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| 22:30.35 | Tramp | jkyle: maybe also check /var/log/messages for messages from imklog |
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| 22:30.54 | pickcoder | AVG isn't bad but they miss stuff too. HitMan Pro and SUPERAntiSpyware seems to be the best for near zero-day stuff, but they're windoze apps |
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| 22:32.00 | jkyle | Tramp: just a bunch of entries for /proc/kmsg starting |
| 22:32.07 | nyov | pickcoder: that's mostly because most stuff still is windows |
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| 22:32.25 | pickcoder | I know but I need to catch it before it gets into Windows world |
| 22:32.37 | nyov | true, there's that |
| 22:32.41 | jkyle | course, zero day exploits and viruses are evil for a reason :P |
| 22:32.45 | Tramp | jkyle: "a bunch"? do you mean one for everytime you started/restarted rsyslog? |
| 22:33.03 | pickcoder | jkyle: of course.. I don't expect a perfect solution.. just one that doesn't have 2 week old sigs |
| 22:33.14 | pickcoder | and will pick up recent trending bugs |
| 22:33.40 | jkyle | Tramp: actually, looking at the dates it seems to be restarting more than it should. like multiple times yesterday and I didn't even ssh in yesterday |
| 22:35.05 | nyov | pickcoder: clamav is the only big free AV project imho. and the only one in Debian repos. So it's the only one you'd get support for here |
| 22:36.01 | pokkerface | which ide to develop symbian apps? |
| 22:36.35 | jkyle | could be logrotate |
| 22:36.42 | pickcoder | nyov: I don't need support.. just personal opinions based on experience with paid or free solutions |
| 22:37.04 | pickcoder | trend micro has a linux server solution, along with AVG |
| 22:37.05 | Tramp | jkyle: well. The output you pasted previously looked so broken, that I thought about multiple processes running simultanously. Can you check with ps that you really only have one rsyslogd running? |
| 22:37.09 | pickcoder | I've not used any of them |
| 22:37.32 | jkyle | ah, ding! |
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| 22:38.38 | nyov | pickcoder: otoh, maybe you'd be surprised if you read this, http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/2011/03/30/top-5-misconceptions-about-clamav/ |
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| 22:39.12 | jkyle | there were multiple instances |
| 22:39.39 | thewanderer1s1 | in Debian, nfsroot is realized fully by initramfs with no kernel interaction other than actual mounting, right? |
| 22:40.05 | jelly-home | pickcoder: sophos, but is a bit on the expensive side |
| 22:40.07 | wolfric | when i install libpam-ldapd it firsts asks me for my ldapsearch uri. i've tried dpkg-reconfigure package -p low with libpam-ldapd, libnss-ldapd, libldap-2.4-2 etc and none of them asked me. Any idea how to get it back or where it was configured |
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| 22:40.42 | Tramp | jkyle: well, then I'd say that's your problem. |
| 22:41.03 | jkyle | Tramp: me too. now to track down the source of that nonsense. though I suspect logrotate |
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| 22:41.10 | Tramp | yw |
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| 22:41.29 | jelly-home | wolfric: uh, grep -R part_of_your_ldap_uri /etc ? |
| 22:41.31 | pickcoder | AntiVir seems to be on top with DrWeb after it |
| 22:41.38 | pickcoder | Sophos and Clam are in the middle |
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| 22:41.49 | thewanderer1s1 | pickcoder: I've tried ESET NOD32, but it's just as useless as all other anti-virus software, unless you mean mail - it works pretty good for mail filtering |
| 22:42.13 | project2501a | or you just run linux and get that bull about "malware" and "antivirus" software over with |
| 22:42.21 | wolfric | jelly-home: spot on thanks |
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| 22:43.13 | thewanderer1s1 | whatever project2501a said... there *are* exploits, both userspace and kernel-space, but protecting against them should be done via proper infrastructure, not anti-virus hacks |
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| 22:43.43 | pickcoder | I'm looking for mail and local file scanning on Linux |
| 22:43.57 | pickcoder | for public-facing web directories |
| 22:43.58 | jkyle | it would explain the left over messages too. since when I'd make changes to rsyslog.conf and /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart, it'd only effect one instance |
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| 22:44.21 | simonlnu | thanks |
| 22:44.43 | thewanderer1s1 | pickcoder: and clamav was insufficient because it was... not current? |
| 22:44.47 | project2501a | who just got banned? |
| 22:44.55 | jkyle | themill apparently |
| 22:45.06 | jkyle | oh, no he banned them >.> |
| 22:45.08 | simonlnu | no, themill *did* it |
| 22:45.10 | project2501a | them who? |
| 22:45.18 | jkyle | *!*@80.78.79.* |
| 22:45.29 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.30 | project2501a | ah |
| 22:45.40 | project2501a | man, i'm tired |
| 22:45.51 | jkyle | that was quick, dude didn't even type anything lol |
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| 22:46.27 | simonlnu | jkyle: /lastlog TeoAndTea[Com] |
| 22:47.41 | jelly-home | sees nothing |
| 22:48.10 | jkyle | I see a bunch of K-Lined |
| 22:48.37 | themill | perhaps we should move on now |
| 22:48.39 | simonlnu | k:lined several times. i'm pretty there's a good reason the thing that's doing that has a reason set. |
| 22:48.49 | jelly-home | sure |
| 22:48.52 | simonlnu | "move on, nothing to see here" |
| 22:49.01 | simonlnu | s,on,along, |
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| 22:53.55 | jkyle | bollocks, killed off the crufty instances of rsyslog...now not getting any logging >.< |
| 22:54.40 | jkyle | last entry in kern.log: Jun 11 02:36:25 kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. |
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| 22:59.22 | jelly-home | restart it? |
| 22:59.36 | jkyle | tried |
| 22:59.55 | nyov | jkyle: what's wrong with it? |
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| 23:00.22 | jelly-home | $ModLoad imklog is still in the config? |
| 23:00.47 | jkyle | nyov: that's what I'm working on. had a lot of mangled log entries, after much ado jelly-home suggested checking if extra instances of rsyslogd was running. which they were. stopped the daemon, killed the extras, restarted. No mroe logging. |
| 23:00.52 | jkyle | more* |
| 23:01.03 | jelly-home | stop, verify, start |
| 23:01.12 | jkyle | jelly-home: correct |
| 23:01.15 | marksaitis | I have installed alot of programs from Software Center Devs section. A lot of IDes these are. I must say that remove buttons doesnt work if I want to remove them now. I have restarted my system and I am only using official repos. |
| 23:01.34 | jkyle | no verify |
| 23:01.56 | jkyle | unless you meant manually. |
| 23:02.16 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 23:03.03 | jelly-home | it's 1am and I can't write complete sentences any more... er. |
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| 23:03.16 | rubin110 | Looking for a good subsonic client for linux? |
| 23:04.03 | Tramp | jkyle: it was me suggesting multiple instances may be running - but nvm. |
| 23:04.10 | nyov | jkyle: rsyslogd -N 1 |
| 23:04.40 | nyov | and rsyslogd -d for debug run |
| 23:04.54 | jelly-home | !cookie Tramp |
| 23:04.56 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ld.so.conf... **NOT** used by /usr/bin/ld! Whoever started that vicious rumor needs to be trampled by a herd of rabid gnus. |
| 23:04.57 | jkyle | Tramp: ah yes, it was Tramp |
| 23:05.04 | jelly-home | dpkg: dammit |
| 23:05.05 | dpkg | jelly-home: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:05.53 | Tramp | yeah. Since I didn't even get a "Thany you" maybe a cookie lightens me up. |
| 23:07.04 | jkyle | as usual, the program gods will tell you whats wrong if you only ask. invalid property id |
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| 23:07.29 | jkyle | Tramp: much appreciated! |
| 23:08.04 | Tramp | np - yw. |
| 23:08.10 | jkyle | buy you a beer if you live in L.A. :) |
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| 23:08.27 | thewanderer1s1 | what is nfsmount in the initramfs? looks like some bogus name... I'm trying to implement NFSv4 netboot |
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| 23:09.02 | Tramp | jkyle: much appreciated - but it's almost half a globe away |
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| 23:11.25 | jkyle | back up and running |
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| 23:12.12 | jkyle | alright, now the filters are working like I expect too |
| 23:13.00 | jkyle | ./var/log/messages is nice and quite again |
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| 23:14.12 | jkyle | couldn't reproduce the multiple spawns though. going to have to keep an eye on that |
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| 23:18.49 | rubin110 | Should I make a guess and say there are no subsonic clients for Linux? |
| 23:19.51 | pickcoder | check the subsonic web site |
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| 23:21.32 | rubin110 | pickcoder: It lists nothing for Linux. |
| 23:21.43 | rubin110 | And I really don't want to run Adobe Air. |
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| 23:22.40 | iwkse | hi, i'd like to run startx on machine A in a xnest on machine B. any hints? |
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| 23:24.18 | pickcoder | rubin110: would any mpd client work? |
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| 23:24.37 | rubin110 | pickcoder: No, don't think so. |
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| 23:25.15 | pengol | hi there ... sorry for the little OT, but I always find smart people here: do I need to protect a pthread_key_t with a mutex for concurrent pthread_{get,set}specific access?? |
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| 23:32.21 | pokkerface | good uml modeler for gnome debian? |
| 23:32.33 | pokkerface | yes, i want to import code |
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| 23:38.18 | daveo | wheezy is the next release? |
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| 23:39.15 | pickcoder | Downloading main-53.cdiff [100%] |
| 23:39.16 | pickcoder | ERROR: cdiff_apply: Unknown command |
| 23:39.18 | pickcoder | nice |
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