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| 00:01.40 | aguitel_ | how install gnome3 in debian ? |
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| 00:03.21 | owner | Hey guys I have a question. In Ubuntu they have jockey to automatically install NVIDIA, ATI, and wireless drivers. What can I find to do the same thing in Debian |
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| 00:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | aguitel_: Wait. |
| 00:04.08 | dvs | owner: You don't need external drivers for ATI anymore |
| 00:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | !dkms |
| 00:04.12 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
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| 00:04.50 | owner | dvs I don't care. I want an automatic installer at least for NVIDIA drivers. |
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| 00:05.33 | jelly-home | I want a pony! |
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| 00:05.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: me too! |
| 00:05.47 | boudiccas | I want gets nowt! |
| 00:05.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | owner: you are outvoted by the poney wanters |
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| 00:06.03 | jelly-home | owner: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 00:06.31 | jelly-home | owner: also /msg dpkg contrib, /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 00:06.35 | jhutchins_lt | Does the great-grand-daughter of Secretariat count as a pony? |
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| 00:07.04 | owner | jelly-home are you saying that you have to run /msg dpkg nvidia dkms to install an nvidia driver? |
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| 00:07.13 | owner | using dkms |
| 00:07.30 | jelly-home | owner: I'm saying that irc command will make the "dpkg" irc bot tell you some instructions |
| 00:07.43 | jhutchins_lt | owner: No, /msg dpkg <factoid> triggers information from the channel bot. |
| 00:08.46 | owner | Ok let me rephrase my question by telling you what I'm doing. I'm making a remaster of Debain for noobs who don't know how to install drivers on their own. |
| 00:08.54 | owner | I want something as simple as jockey-gtk |
| 00:08.58 | owner | or the old envy-ng |
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| 00:09.17 | soapie | pony-friendly debian |
| 00:09.21 | jhutchins_lt | owner: So port them. |
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| 00:09.30 | owner | jhutchins_lt you can't. |
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| 00:09.41 | jhutchins_lt | I'll bet I can. |
| 00:09.48 | owner | jhutchins_lt they use Ubuntu repositories |
| 00:09.58 | owner | jhutchins_lt to get the drivers |
| 00:10.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | sighs |
| 00:10.03 | jhutchins_lt | owner: So change the repositories they use. |
| 00:10.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | and you want to run a distribution!? |
| 00:10.13 | jelly-home | that doesn't mean one can't port the tools, it just means there's work to be done |
| 00:10.33 | owner | jhutchins_lt but the packages in Ubuntu and Debian are different (have diffrent names) |
| 00:10.37 | jhutchins_lt | I think the idea here is the avoidance of work. |
| 00:10.48 | jelly-home | owner: to make a short answer, I personally don't know of such a tool that still plays well with Debian packaging system |
| 00:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | owner: I don't think you're clear on the concept of "port". |
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| 00:11.49 | jelly-home | owner: what you _can_ do, is just make the required packages installed by default |
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| 00:11.59 | owner | jhutchins_lt ok so lets say I did. First I'd have to take it apart and change it and recompile it. Great. Now how the heck to I get Jockey to install the correct packages for Debian and detect which ones to install |
| 00:12.05 | Bushmills | or use ubuntu |
| 00:12.14 | owner | Bushmills ubuntu 11.04 sucks |
| 00:12.35 | owner | Bushmills been there done that. |
| 00:12.52 | owner | Bushmills Ubuntu Natty has too many bugs. |
| 00:13.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | owner: its written in python... |
| 00:13.01 | jelly-home | owner: if you know how to remaster a d-i, it shouldn't be too hard to add a couple packages from non-free and contrib |
| 00:13.05 | Bushmills | but it has the tool you're looking for |
| 00:13.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | owner: youd know that if you bothered to look at its packages page... |
| 00:13.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: the d-i doco even provides examples! |
| 00:13.35 | Bushmills | if you think porting the tool isn't feasable, then fix the bugs |
| 00:13.42 | owner | Kamping_Kaiser I know it's python |
| 00:14.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | owner: then you don't hae to recompile it ... |
| 00:14.20 | jelly-home | owner: if you're using the default kernel, you don't even have to use dkms, but can install prebuilt nvidia driver packages for your kernel flavor |
| 00:14.23 | owner | Bushmills I tried. The problem is that Ubuntu's packages are screwed up and dependent on screwy packages that should not be there. |
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| 00:14.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | starts getting annoyed |
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| 00:14.56 | dvs | ducks and covers |
| 00:14.57 | owner | jelly-home I want a legal distribution. I want the user to install the video drivers. |
| 00:15.02 | Bushmills | owner: read the debian wiki - it has pages on how to install nvidia drivers |
| 00:15.20 | owner | Bushmills I know how to install nvidia drivers |
| 00:15.30 | Bushmills | ok. solved. next please |
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| 00:15.59 | owner | Bushmills no. I'm trying to make a new distribution of debian for noobs who don't know how to install drivers |
| 00:16.09 | owner | For Windows users |
| 00:16.18 | Bushmills | tell them to use ubuntu |
| 00:16.27 | owner | Bushmills how can I do that when ubuntu sucks |
| 00:17.11 | Bushmills | how can you make a distribution if porting that essential tool is beyond your capabilities? |
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| 00:17.33 | jelly-home | owner: you mean, you want the user to accept the nvidia eula? |
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| 00:18.01 | owner | jelly-home if it's necessary but I want the system to be intuitive like Ubuntu is. |
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| 00:18.30 | Bushmills | you want to train new users not to read about installing proprietary stuff on their system? |
| 00:18.58 | jelly-home | owner: so basically you need to either adapt something like jockey to debian, or make your own using the method described in eg. /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 00:19.43 | jelly-home | Bushmills: there's nothing wrong with making things easier for the user |
| 00:19.45 | owner | jelly-home ya |
| 00:20.59 | Arrowmaster | well if you want them to install the proprietary drivers you would need to detect what card they have, there are at least 3 different versions of nvidia proprietary drivers depending on which card you have |
| 00:21.37 | owner | jelly-home so you think I should ask the user if they have an NVIDIA graphics card and then have the script run: aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ? |
| 00:21.37 | jelly-home | I for one would like if the installer said "you seem to have a card requiring non-free drivers to work optimally. Do you want to install them now?" |
| 00:21.37 | Bushmills | jelly-home: that's why a tool like jockey is in debian repositories? |
| 00:21.48 | Arrowmaster | if the ubuntu tool already does that then your best bet is patching that tool to work on debian |
| 00:21.49 | jelly-home | Bushmills: which one? |
| 00:22.18 | owner | Bushmills you say it's in debian repositories? Where? |
| 00:22.20 | jelly-home | Bushmills: if you know of one, tell owner. I don't. |
| 00:22.30 | Bushmills | jelly-home: your logic, "nothing wring" - therefore ported already? |
| 00:22.38 | Bushmills | wrong ... |
| 00:22.46 | jelly-home | Bushmills: sorry, you lost me. |
| 00:22.52 | owner | Same here |
| 00:23.19 | blinki | nevermind, I fixed it myself. |
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| 00:24.28 | Bushmills | if following instructions on a wiki page is too demanding, surely somebody must have set that right already, and ported such a tool to debian |
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| 00:25.06 | owner | Bushmills ya it was ENVY-NG but it's obsolete and out of date. |
| 00:25.27 | Arrowmaster | the bot factoid is better than the wiki page |
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| 00:26.26 | jelly-home | owner: something like that, but I was thinking more of your script detecting the need for non-free drivers on its own. You do of course need to figure out what those steps do so you can bail out cleanly if things go wrong, consider interaction of nouveau/nvidiafb/rivafb w/ nvidia driver, and lots of other corner cases |
| 00:27.46 | owner | jelly-home I wouldn't have a clue how to detect that info or how to get the script to use that info. |
| 00:27.51 | owner | other than lspci |
| 00:28.13 | jelly-home | owner: I think you need to learn that stuff if you want to make such an integration happen. |
| 00:28.32 | ttiicc | hello guys I wonder if I could install Debian 6 on my macbook which is 4 years old? wonder if everything will work with once or if I'll have to configure stuff my self? |
| 00:28.32 | owner | jelly-home yes however I think I can ask the user |
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| 00:29.37 | Raccoon1400 | when totem tried to play a DVD, it says it can't read from resource |
| 00:29.45 | Raccoon1400 | using debian stable |
| 00:29.47 | Arrowmaster | you expect the user to know what proprietary firmware they need? |
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| 00:30.00 | Arrowmaster | Raccoon1400: retail DVD? |
| 00:30.05 | Raccoon1400 | yes |
| 00:30.13 | jelly-home | owner: that doesn't strike me as an optimal approach with a newbie user ;-) |
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| 00:30.38 | owner | jelly-home maybe not but it's the best I can do for now |
| 00:30.42 | Arrowmaster | Raccoon1400: might not be able to read it because of the DRM |
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| 00:31.15 | Raccoon1400 | Arrowmaster: I got it to play in archlinux. Is there any way to get it to work here? |
| 00:31.29 | Arrowmaster | !libdvdcss |
| 00:31.29 | dpkg | libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, install the libdvdcss2 package available from debian-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>. http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html |
| 00:31.37 | Arrowmaster | probably need libdvdcss |
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| 00:32.51 | Raccoon1400 | Arrowmaster: that's the package that fixed the issue in arch |
| 00:33.31 | owner | Hey guys figure this one out (please) http://pastebin.com/DhPzX99Q |
| 00:33.56 | themill | There was some discussion on either d-devel@ or d-project@ about developing further a tool for d-i that did more hardware detection and suggested useful packages. ISTR lucas was involved in it. |
| 00:34.18 | Raccoon1400 | Arrowmaster: where do I find the package? |
| 00:34.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Raccoon1400: the factoidsays |
| 00:34.47 | Arrowmaster | owner: youve got a bunch of ubuntu stuff in there |
| 00:34.51 | themill | owner: don't mix repositories that weren't designed to be mixed. Please. Please... |
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| 00:35.21 | dvs | !tell Raccoon1400 about debian-multimedia |
| 00:35.23 | owner | Arrowmaster themill they are specific ones with specific packages that I want apt to be able to find. |
| 00:35.38 | Arrowmaster | dont mix repos |
| 00:35.43 | Raccoon1400 | dvs: I can't get onto debian-multimedia. Can anyone else? |
| 00:35.44 | themill | owner: well it found them, and now you know the result. |
| 00:35.56 | Arrowmaster | recompile the package for the distro if you want them but do not mix binary packages from different distros |
| 00:35.57 | Raccoon1400 | well, I can get on, but there's nothing there |
| 00:36.04 | owner | Arrowmaster themill I don't know why it's having the issue with transmission |
| 00:36.07 | dvs | Raccoon1400: yep |
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| 00:36.35 | ttiicc | could some one please answer my question? |
| 00:36.35 | Arrowmaster | blames ubuntu and launchpad for bringing rpm hell to debian |
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| 00:37.02 | Raccoon1400 | dvs: yep as in you can get onto the site? |
| 00:37.13 | dvs | Raccoon1400: yup |
| 00:37.15 | themill | owner: you need to learn a lot about binary compatibility, apt and packaging before you go any further in your little distro rolling game. |
| 00:37.24 | Arrowmaster | ttiicc: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 00:37.37 | owner | Arrowmaster themill I am aware of the issues. |
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| 00:37.47 | ttiicc | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 00:37.51 | themill | owner: it would seem not. |
| 00:37.58 | Arrowmaster | if you are aware of them then why are you still trying to mix repos? |
| 00:38.02 | Raccoon1400 | dvs: that's weird, I just get a blank page with a logo in the middle |
| 00:38.13 | owner | Arrowmaster themill I tried to force Synaptic to use the debian repos for those packages but it didn't work. |
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| 00:38.38 | themill | owner: "force" is always the wrong thing to do |
| 00:39.07 | owner | themiller not -f |
| 00:39.08 | Raccoon1400 | okay, managed to get the package, now hopefully I can relax with a movie |
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| 00:39.30 | owner | themill I'm saying force version |
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| 00:40.56 | owner | Ha ha I figured it out |
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| 00:41.18 | owner | Even though I removed PlayDeb it still had some process installed from playdeb |
| 00:41.19 | themill | owner: forcing apt to do anything is the wrong thing to do |
| 00:41.36 | themill | owner: please stop mixing repos, for all our sakes. |
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| 00:41.58 | Raccoon1400 | Arrowmaster, dvs: thanks, got it working. Time to relax |
| 00:42.06 | owner | themill I laugh in your faces to boldly go where your afraid to lol. I bet I can get it all to work |
| 00:42.28 | dvs | !pal owner |
| 00:42.28 | dpkg | points at owner and laughs hysterically |
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| 00:43.00 | boudiccas | owner; i'm afraid you dont inspire me with confidence, nor in your product either |
| 00:43.04 | Arrowmaster | owner: mixing binary packages from incompatible distros will NEVER work |
| 00:43.11 | owner | We will see |
| 00:43.14 | owner | give it a sec |
| 00:43.17 | themill | owner: there are tried and true ways of getting this to work. They require you to do some work and stop being so lazy. |
| 00:43.20 | boudiccas | times up |
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| 00:43.30 | themill | owner: owner: note that everyone else seems to have given up trying to support your mess. So have I. |
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| 00:43.58 | owner | themill don't worry I fixed it myself |
| 00:43.59 | Miesco | !nvidia |
| 00:43.59 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:44.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | puts down teh popcorn :( |
| 00:44.05 | Arrowmaster | owner: seriously your attempt is going to do more harm to peoples perception of linux than good |
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| 00:44.39 | owner | Arrowmaster well I've pulled a few tricks like this before and had my script edit the sources.list after the install to make it idiot proof |
| 00:45.07 | owner | Hey I fixed it |
| 00:45.10 | Arrowmaster | nothing is ever idiot proof |
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| 00:45.55 | owner | HA HA HA I FIXED IT! YAY! |
| 00:46.22 | owner | WHA HA HA HA HA (Evil hacker laugh) |
| 00:46.47 | owner | Now I just have to make sure to uninstall Ubuntu Tweak before I remaster it. |
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| 00:47.25 | Bushmills | "script edit sources.list" rather then placing sections in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 00:47.58 | Bushmills | the name Rube Goldberg comes to mind |
| 00:48.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arrowmaster: its proof of idiocy :) |
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| 00:56.43 | Miesco | What package do I get startx? |
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| 00:58.38 | owner | Someone got Jockey-gtk to work in debian http://screenshots.debian.net/package/jockey-gtk |
| 00:58.54 | Bushmills | Miesco: apt-file is a great utility, with the purpose of giving answers to exactly these kind of questions |
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| 01:00.49 | nsadmin | owner, ok, let us know when you're done |
| 01:00.59 | Bushmills | "(02:09:21) jhutchins_lt: owner: So port them. (02:09:31) owner: jhutchins_lt you can't." |
| 01:01.08 | nsadmin | you -are- a someone, aren't you? |
| 01:01.41 | owner | someone? |
| 01:01.56 | Arrowmaster | owner: no they didnt |
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| 01:02.56 | Bushmills | !dex |
| 01:02.56 | dpkg | The Debian dErivatives eXchange project (DEX) aims to bring deltas from Debian derivatives and merge them into Debian. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110318 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/ See also <dfd>. |
| 01:03.18 | Bushmills | maybe that's of some help |
| 01:04.18 | owner | no offense but dpkg's code was bloated. I found a simpler way. |
| 01:04.44 | Arrowmaster | for what? |
| 01:10.11 | Miesco | Whats the 64 bit version of debian called, x86_64? |
| 01:10.28 | Arrowmaster | amd64 |
| 01:10.33 | Miesco | k |
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| 01:11.01 | xk | any recommendations on an advance nagios configuration book? |
| 01:11.34 | xk | not interested in a book that spends many pages on how to compile and install it. |
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| 01:15.36 | nsadmin | xk, what will it matter whether it has compile instructions if in some other chapter it has what you're interested in? |
| 01:16.07 | xk | nsadmin: well... it shows whether the author spent any genuine effort, or is interested in putting down the achievement on his resume. |
| 01:16.12 | owner | Arrowmaster to install both the nvidia driver and nvidia-settings with one line of code |
| 01:16.40 | xk | I bought some books (not nagios related)... and there was only 1-3 pages... the rest was just confirmed knowledge or pointless. |
| 01:16.46 | xk | but it was worth it, even for those 3 pages. |
| 01:16.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats easy, just tack it into the aptitude install line |
| 01:17.26 | nsadmin | xk, seems like compile instructions would be in the source distribution anyway |
| 01:17.51 | xk | and I'm not interested on how to write custom plugins - that's simple to do. |
| 01:18.52 | xk | or I could just buy 2-3 books and push my luck :) |
| 01:19.11 | nsadmin | what file is read for nagios config info? |
| 01:19.37 | xk | depends how to implement it. |
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| 01:20.11 | xk | whether monolithic implementation, or config block per file. |
| 01:20.23 | nsadmin | what documentation on config content exists in the source dist? |
| 01:20.30 | Miesco | Where do I get 'startx'? |
| 01:20.35 | xk | dunno... havent bothered to check it out. |
| 01:20.37 | Miesco | How do I search packages for it? |
| 01:20.55 | Bushmills | (02:58:54) Bushmills: Miesco: apt-file is a great utility, with the purpose of giving answers to exactly these kind of questions |
| 01:21.01 | nsadmin | xk... grin... seems you have a direction to try :) |
| 01:21.06 | Bushmills | by reading replies you got here |
| 01:21.09 | xk | nsadmin: :) |
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| 01:21.42 | Miesco | xorg package i'll try |
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| 01:22.21 | Bushmills | as you wish |
| 01:23.42 | Bushmills | meanwhile i'll put you on /ignore because evidently any reply to your question is a waste of time |
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| 01:28.55 | peterrooney | !tell Miesco about search |
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| 02:17.50 | InfectedSoul | i installed phpsysinfo but its not in /var/www/ where did it go? |
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| 02:18.58 | nmcbride | hey all quick question |
| 02:19.11 | nmcbride | i'm used to /boot/grub/menu.lst to set the default kernel |
| 02:19.17 | nmcbride | how is it done in debian? |
| 02:19.54 | dvs | nmcbride: /etc/default/grub in Debian 6.0 |
| 02:20.23 | nmcbride | oh ok cool thank you |
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| 02:20.47 | dvs | np |
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| 02:23.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | InfectedSoul: dpkg -L phpsysinfo |
| 02:23.12 | InfectedSoul | dpkg -L phpsysinfo |
| 02:23.13 | dpkg | ii phpsysinfo 1.5-13.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 02:23.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | sure you didn't run with -l ? |
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| 02:28.11 | Zelozelos | can someone tell me how to install deb onto a flash and if a 2gb will work? |
| 02:29.00 | Eightamrock | I think 2GB might be too small |
| 02:29.19 | Zelozelos | darn i wanted 2 play w it b4 a real install |
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| 02:29.46 | Eightamrock | I have a 4GB that I was able to get ubuntu on |
| 02:29.50 | Eightamrock | took up most of it though |
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| 02:30.18 | Eightamrock | Acutally I might be wrong |
| 02:30.18 | Eightamrock | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 02:30.53 | Eightamrock | I knew I switched to Debian for a reason :) |
| 02:31.04 | InfectedSoul | but why cant i access the site with phpsysinfo installed? |
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| 02:57.15 | CarlFK | im trying to get a squeeze vm using http://www.coreboot.org/QEMU_Build_Tutorial#Creating_a_hard_disk_image |
| 02:57.40 | CarlFK | I need a kernel/initrd - anyone know where i can get them? |
| 02:59.16 | CarlFK | http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/i386/ has lenny and squeeze - anyone know of something like this for sid? |
| 02:59.36 | CarlFK | oh yeah, I have squeeze, need sid |
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| 03:05.16 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... how can i install the apt protocol for browsers like ubuntu .... i cant nstall flash |
| 03:05.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | um, wut? |
| 03:06.07 | unforgiven512 | ... |
| 03:06.31 | unforgiven512 | Can anyone report on the stability of debian testing? |
| 03:06.41 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ ... there is no deb version ... just apt ... and i cant install it |
| 03:06.54 | dvs | unforgiven512: I've heard it's so-so |
| 03:07.21 | unforgiven512 | dvs: Ubuntu 11.04 is royally pissing me off, and any kernels <2.6.38 do not work right on my system. |
| 03:07.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: flash |
| 03:07.23 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 03:07.51 | dvs | unforgiven512: You can use the backported kernel in stable |
| 03:07.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: ^^ /msg dpkg about adobe flash or gnash |
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| 03:07.54 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: ok ... and it redirects me to this site ...and then i cant install it |
| 03:08.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: 'it'? |
| 03:08.09 | cobra-the-joker | dpkg |
| 03:08.21 | unforgiven512 | dvs: Yeah I guess. But, the software packages are also older. I don't mind using testing on my desktop, but, my server is using all stable for sure. |
| 03:08.22 | cobra-the-joker | and the wiki page |
| 03:08.55 | dvs | unforgiven512: Not much older right now. |
| 03:08.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: adobe flash |
| 03:08.57 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 03:09.09 | unforgiven512 | I'm testing out gnome3 in a VM as we speak... |
| 03:09.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | looks like its directing you at the debian repos |
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| 03:09.59 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: and when i install this package and run it ... it give me a shasum error ( cant verify the package ) |
| 03:10.09 | sawgood | Hi Debian users! Can someone tell me the standard path to where I could find the "CentOS" type httpd.conf in /etc/http/conf/httpd.conf |
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| 03:10.31 | unforgiven512 | sawgood: Apache? |
| 03:10.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: probably been updated recently, check backports |
| 03:10.38 | sawgood | yes Apache |
| 03:10.46 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: ok |
| 03:10.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | sawgood: its called apache in debian, /etc/apache2/ |
| 03:10.56 | unforgiven512 | It should be in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 03:10.59 | sawgood | ty! |
| 03:11.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | sawgood: and most of the config is in apache.conf, not in httpd.conf |
| 03:11.16 | unforgiven512 | Yeah. |
| 03:11.18 | unforgiven512 | =D |
| 03:11.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) *high fives unforgiven512 * |
| 03:11.31 | unforgiven512 | Welcome to Debian! |
| 03:11.38 | unforgiven512 | accepts high-five |
| 03:11.40 | sawgood | I wanted to change the Listen statement from the public IP address to 127.0.0.1:8080 |
| 03:11.45 | unforgiven512 | (and mutually returns it) |
| 03:11.54 | unforgiven512 | sawgood: It may be in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 03:11.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 03:11.58 | sawgood | :q |
| 03:12.02 | sawgood | got it! |
| 03:12.04 | sawgood | thanks! |
| 03:12.09 | unforgiven512 | Anytime |
| 03:12.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) np |
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| 03:13.38 | Noah0504_ | Always so friendly in here. I love it. :) |
| 03:13.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder if centos6 is out yet |
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| 03:13.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | that was taking them ages |
| 03:13.55 | mgriffin | hi, say i have this .deb and want to install it but it has lots of dependencies which are available in the repo but not currently installed, dpkg -i does not seem to be the best option here, advice? |
| 03:14.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | mgriffin: dpkg -i, then apt-get -f install after |
| 03:14.26 | mgriffin | dpkg -i refuses to install |
| 03:14.28 | dpkg | package refuses to install is already installed |
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| 03:14.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: -i noms |
| 03:14.49 | dpkg | installs noms into kamping_kaiser's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 03:14.50 | stew | sawgood: you want /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 03:14.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | :o |
| 03:14.55 | sawgood | one last thing (I promise) in order to restart httpd (service httpd restart) ... how is it best done in Debian? |
| 03:15.10 | sawgood | stew: Thank you |
| 03:15.17 | mgriffin | Kamping_Kaiser: i mean to say that dpkg -i does not install due to missing deps, I should force it and then apt-get -f? |
| 03:15.18 | stew | sawgood: /etc/init.d/apache2 {reload,restart} |
| 03:15.36 | stew | mgriffin: no, you shoudn't force anything |
| 03:15.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrmist: no, after it fails run apt-get -f install, which should install all the depends, then you can rerun dpkg |
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| 03:15.51 | stew | there is no need to rerun dpkg |
| 03:15.56 | mgriffin | oh. |
| 03:16.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | i stand corrected |
| 03:16.28 | Arrowmaster | mgriffin: try using gdebi |
| 03:16.37 | sawgood | cool ... so now I can change the PORT in ports.conf (but there is no IP address information) like 127.0.0.1:8080 |
| 03:16.42 | sawgood | just 8080 |
| 03:16.42 | mgriffin | stew: thanks! worked like a champ |
| 03:16.50 | mgriffin | stew: but not very intuitive |
| 03:17.16 | sawgood | can ports.conf take an ip address too? |
| 03:17.27 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; i used to run centos and left because of the delays in getting updates out in a timely manner, and for those that were delayed there being no reason given as to why. so i moved over to debian 6 and am much happier |
| 03:17.50 | stew | sawgood: the Listen directive can take 127.0.0.1:8080, with just 8080, it means to listen on all ips |
| 03:17.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: i was sure i'd chatted to you somewhere before - must have been #centos ;) |
| 03:18.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/;/: |
| 03:18.20 | stew | mgriffin: you should craft a patch to aptitude that will allow it to install .debs and post it to the bts |
| 03:18.23 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; quite possible |
| 03:18.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | sawgood: note there is also vhost config in sites-available/ |
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| 03:18.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: you'd know me as bambi_bofh if you remember me at all (: |
| 03:18.56 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: wow ... it worked .. thanx |
| 03:19.19 | boudiccas | ah, yes i remember the bofh nick :) |
| 03:19.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: :) |
| 03:19.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: glad to hear :) |
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| 03:21.35 | boudiccas | how can i increase the font size in the messages that are displayed when i reboot please? they are so tiny that i cant read them |
| 03:21.42 | sawgood | thank you ... /etc/apache2/ports.conf took the statement (and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart) fixed me up |
| 03:22.41 | mgriffin | stew: why would i patch a wrapper? |
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| 03:23.14 | stew | mgriffin: what wrapper? |
| 03:23.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | mgriffin: because somethign equilvant to 'yum localinstall' would be nice. |
| 03:23.22 | mgriffin | aptitude |
| 03:23.32 | stew | aptitude is a wrapper? |
| 03:23.36 | mgriffin | afaik |
| 03:23.43 | stew | if it is, then apt-get is a wrapper as well |
| 03:23.58 | karlpinc | mgriffin: It's all a wrapper for "the libs that do the work". |
| 03:23.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: i think consoletools handles it, but not sure how |
| 03:24.46 | stew | mgriffin: aptitude is the most full featured thing that links against libapt |
| 03:25.13 | mgriffin | i have never used anything besides apt-get/apt-cache/apt-key and dpkg |
| 03:25.24 | mgriffin | and rarely use debian or derrivatives |
| 03:25.30 | mgriffin | but thanks again for the tips |
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| 03:26.00 | buhman | why are images all the sudden not loading? http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=153960 |
| 03:26.09 | buhman | when I go to the basic google images, it seems to work |
| 03:26.20 | mgriffin | btw, i know yum can do this, as mentioned by Kamping_Kaiser, but i have never tested my usual package manager pacman |
| 03:26.26 | buhman | other javascripty sites with pictures don't seem to load either |
| 03:26.47 | mgriffin | have a nice evening. |
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| 03:26.53 | buhman | facebook's javascript pictures don't work |
| 03:26.55 | boudiccas | buhman; not loading in what? |
| 03:27.04 | buhman | boudiccas: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=153960 |
| 03:27.20 | karlpinc | buhman: What browser? |
| 03:27.27 | buhman | boudiccas: karlpinc iceweasel |
| 03:27.28 | boudiccas | buhman; iceweasel, konqueror, opera? what? |
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| 03:27.54 | \amethyst | buhman: I'd try disabling greasemonkey scripts and/or extensions |
| 03:28.07 | \amethyst | buhman: see if one of them is causing the problem |
| 03:28.19 | karlpinc | buhman: Installed any plugins? Restarted iceweasle to update the plugins? |
| 03:28.37 | buhman | \amethyst: I tried disabling all of my extensions and that didn't seem to do much |
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| 03:28.57 | buhman | karlpinc: multiple restarts |
| 03:29.14 | karlpinc | buhman: Done an "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" lately? What version of debian? |
| 03:29.29 | buhman | karlpinc: no, squeeze |
| 03:29.44 | karlpinc | buhman: Couldn't hurt to get the latest patches. |
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| 03:31.20 | buhman | karlpinc: http://paste.debian.net/117336/ |
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| 03:32.23 | stew | oh, icweasel 4 backports |
| 03:32.33 | buhman | karlpinc: things work perfectly in epiphany |
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| 03:33.50 | JyZyXEL | how do i reinstall packages config files? |
| 03:34.01 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: You want to start over? |
| 03:34.16 | dvs | !confmiss |
| 03:34.16 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 03:34.38 | stew | JyZyXEL: are they missing completely? or just changed? or what? |
| 03:34.53 | JyZyXEL | their old |
| 03:35.01 | stew | JyZyXEL: then you want confnew not confmiss |
| 03:35.35 | JyZyXEL | few years of "no keep current config files" can bite you |
| 03:35.46 | stew | JyZyXEL: though note that we don't seem to have a ucf confnew factoid. The confnew factoid will only help if the config files are conffiles |
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| 03:36.12 | JyZyXEL | if i delete the config files i can use confmiss then? |
| 03:36.17 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Better to bite the bullet and deal with conf files at upgrade time. |
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| 03:36.41 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: I tend to just purge the package and re-install, but that's a bit lazy. |
| 03:36.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: you can figure out ucf confnew if you read the ucf manpage |
| 03:37.00 | JyZyXEL | purge removes configs? |
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| 03:37.19 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Yes. That's the difference between purge and remove. |
| 03:37.32 | JyZyXEL | oh yeah so it was |
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| 03:38.53 | Fear|away| | is now away: Giving my pillow some head [ 23:38:51 ] |
| 03:39.10 | stew | Fear|away|: please turn that off in here |
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| 03:39.53 | JyZyXEL | i was completely unaware that at some point the debian configs for apache2 have had a misconfigured php loading code that allows people to download your .php source code |
| 03:40.25 | JyZyXEL | at which point its infinitely more easier for someone to find a security hole in the code |
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| 03:44.33 | unforgiven512 | How so? |
| 03:44.57 | simonlnu | that's why you should check things (and report bugs) |
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| 04:06.05 | ACADEMICGUY | hello ppl, anyone knows if is there a windows gui for snort? |
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| 04:09.22 | durando | hey guys how do I set a program to auto run on boot? |
| 04:10.50 | durando | I added it to startup applications under preferences but it doesn't work |
| 04:13.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | durando: system boot? try an @reboot cronjob |
| 04:13.34 | durando | hmmm |
| 04:14.00 | durando | no clue how that works.... needs to be run as root |
| 04:16.38 | durando | brb gotta reboot router |
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| 04:21.30 | ACADEMICGUY | god :( |
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| 04:22.06 | ACADEMICGUY | i see |
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| 04:33.42 | cokegen | hi, I'm in the process of updating a legacy etch box with squeeze and after tracing the problem I noticed that the /bin/sh symlink was replaced from bash to dash |
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| 04:34.09 | cokegen | it would be safe to point /bin/sh to bash again or not ? |
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| 04:36.58 | Arrowmaster | cokegen: do not upgrade from etch to squeeze, upgrade from etch to lenny then to squeeze |
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| 04:37.28 | cokegen | I know, in fact I'm just upgrading my application, it would be to a new box |
| 04:37.36 | cokegen | it's not an upgrade per-se |
| 04:37.45 | k-man | any idea why less does not show ansiterm color? |
| 04:37.55 | Arrowmaster | if your application breaks because /bin/sh points to dash instead of bash then that application is broken |
| 04:37.58 | cokegen | I'm reading something about dpkg-divert --remove /bin/sh |
| 04:38.04 | Arrowmaster | k-man: less -R |
| 04:38.21 | cokegen | Arrowmaster: no man, I need bash as my interpreter |
| 04:38.46 | Arrowmaster | then change the shebang in the app to bash insteash of sh |
| 04:38.49 | cokegen | in fact, is php which always calls /bin/sh through system() or exec() calls (that my app uses) |
| 04:38.52 | cokegen | so it's not that easy |
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| 04:39.05 | ACADEMICGUY | is it safe to update etch to lenny by apt? |
| 04:39.12 | k-man | Arrowmaster: ah, i just worked it out as you said it Arrowmaster |
| 04:39.16 | k-man | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 04:39.23 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell ACADEMICGUY about etch->lenny |
| 04:39.36 | cokegen | again, I'm reading somewhere that you have to user dpkg-divert ... can someone shed some light on this ? |
| 04:39.44 | cokegen | to use I meant |
| 04:39.57 | Arrowmaster | cokegen: well you can change sh back to bash but your app is still technically considered broken for using bashisms |
| 04:40.15 | Arrowmaster | i think you just need to do dpkg-reconfigure dash |
| 04:40.52 | mnuhmnuh | ACADEMICGUY: depends on your hardware. nvidia? |
| 04:41.40 | cokegen | Arrowmaster: ok dpkg-reconfigure dash reconfigured the symlink to point to bash, thx |
| 04:41.53 | ACADEMICGUY | i dont use gid |
| 04:41.55 | cokegen | anyway, what are the implications of not having dash as the /bin/sh shell ? |
| 04:42.13 | ACADEMICGUY | not in that server anyway |
| 04:42.32 | ACADEMICGUY | whats happening is that i need squid to run with windows server 2008 |
| 04:42.42 | Arrowmaster | cokegen: well nothing should break but there are reasons for the switch |
| 04:42.59 | ACADEMICGUY | and i tried a lot of thing, i guess i have to update squid. i got 2.6 stable 8 i guess |
| 04:43.28 | peterrooney | cokegen: IIRC, dash is faster for POSIX |
| 04:43.28 | cokegen | can you point something for me to read about the switch ? |
| 04:44.13 | cokegen | I mean, I don't care if the shell operations go from a ferrari to a sedan |
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| 04:44.31 | wols | ACADEMICGUY: if you really run lenny and want to update, you better update all the way: to lenny first and then to squeeze |
| 04:44.45 | cokegen | but I care of something like system startup breaking or something like that |
| 04:44.48 | wols | oh. already ben told |
| 04:45.11 | ACADEMICGUY | i just want to run squid with win 2008 |
| 04:45.12 | ACADEMICGUY | hehe |
| 04:45.12 | mnuhmnuh | ACADEMICGUY: You need to verify /etc/apt/sources.list points to where you want to go, then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get safe-upgrade # I think. verify. |
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| 04:45.17 | yagoo | thats' dumb.. just install squeeze |
| 04:45.39 | ACADEMICGUY | my apt isnt finding etch sources |
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| 04:45.52 | ACADEMICGUY | thats the problem |
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| 04:45.55 | Arrowmaster | because etch isnt on the main servers anymore |
| 04:46.04 | ACADEMICGUY | yeah, so where? |
| 04:46.12 | Arrowmaster | archive.debian.org |
| 04:46.26 | ACADEMICGUY | oh, cool |
| 04:46.35 | ACADEMICGUY | thanks man, didnt know about that :) |
| 04:46.37 | wols | !tell ACADEMICGUY about etch sources.list |
| 04:46.41 | ACADEMICGUY | just change the host? |
| 04:46.41 | dondelelcaro | ACADEMICGUY: but that doesn't have any security updates... so, you shouldn't be using it. |
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| 04:47.29 | ACADEMICGUY | thats not a problem |
| 04:47.33 | ACADEMICGUY | its an internal server |
| 04:47.49 | mnuhmnuh | ACADEMICGUY: make your present install happy and clean. Then tweak sources.list for next in line, rinse, reapeat. |
| 04:47.51 | wols | that's very shortsighted and simply dumb |
| 04:47.53 | ACADEMICGUY | i mean, it is, but i dont wanna bother about it |
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| 04:48.17 | yagoo | win2008 is dumb too.. never heard in 12 years of that |
| 04:48.20 | ACADEMICGUY | lol. i dont get PAID for it... so... |
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| 04:49.00 | ACADEMICGUY | mnuhmnuh yeah yeah, i would do that, if i had the time |
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| 04:49.58 | Some_Person | Something is severely bogging down my system right now. How can I figure out what it is? |
| 04:49.59 | ACADEMICGUY | yagoo well, convice the users |
| 04:50.21 | mnuhmnuh | ACADEMICGUY: it doesn't take any time! "alias apti='apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get safe-upgrad |
| 04:50.24 | boudiccas | ACADEMICGUY; as you're not being paid for it you can take your time and do it properly |
| 04:50.28 | Some_Person | My HD indicator is blinking like something is accessing it and I'm getting general slowdowns |
| 04:50.31 | mnuhmnuh | ' |
| 04:50.39 | ACADEMICGUY | mnuhmnuh if anyones goes wrong? |
| 04:50.45 | ACADEMICGUY | it always do! |
| 04:50.48 | boudiccas | Some_Person; run 'top' to see whats happening |
| 04:50.51 | yagoo | ACADEMICGUY, learn to join a linux community and make the comparisons. Saying win2008 is probably the worst thing i heard on here for a long long time |
| 04:51.12 | ACADEMICGUY | yagoo thats stupid. |
| 04:51.24 | yagoo | ACADEMICGUY, i'm stupid to say win2008? No you said it. Not me. |
| 04:51.30 | yagoo | oO |
| 04:51.40 | ACADEMICGUY | my god. lol. linux fnas |
| 04:51.45 | mnuhmnuh | ACADEMICGUY: once system's stable and secure, forget. |
| 04:52.07 | Arrowmaster | Some_Person: you can try iotop |
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| 04:52.25 | yagoo | mnuhmnuh, like win2008 can be secured. LOL |
| 04:52.29 | wols | yagoo: it's common to call windows server 2008 r2 "win2008r2". you get tons of google hits for it. just like we here constantly talk about wheezy or such |
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| 04:53.03 | yagoo | wols, not at all. |
| 04:53.15 | ACADEMICGUY | what he wants me to say? do i have to say windows server 2008 r2? f. |
| 04:53.28 | ACADEMICGUY | should i waste my time? |
| 04:53.47 | yagoo | doesn't matter what the f clients is.. nor do i care.. but to say u want explicitly "win2008" sounds noobish |
| 04:53.52 | ACADEMICGUY | u are just a flammer. get a life, and a job. |
| 04:54.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | cut it out you two |
| 04:54.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | its not for this channel |
| 04:54.28 | ACADEMICGUY | i agree |
| 04:54.37 | yagoo | I know how to speak english.. maybe you should join the right community and stop talking like a rat in your little moomma's hole |
| 04:54.47 | ACADEMICGUY | im just impressed |
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| 04:55.05 | wols | yagoo: can you please stop that or does someone need to take you to bed? |
| 04:55.12 | ACADEMICGUY | u are just a kid :) |
| 04:55.30 | yagoo | I've seen kids.. a capital name tells me in screaming |
| 04:55.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh |
| 04:55.52 | ACADEMICGUY | haha |
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| 04:56.48 | durando | anyway I'm having alot of issues with my debian box all of asudden |
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| 04:57.57 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i am trying to install drupal and it needs PHP pdo extension which i cant find in the repos ... any help |
| 04:58.13 | boudiccas | durando; define 'issues' please? |
| 04:58.26 | woodyjlw | fresh instal and first time with debian amd64 and need help installing wireless driver. im unsure where to look or how to find the driver. any help? |
| 04:59.05 | durando | going off thw network inexplicably |
| 04:59.08 | wols | cobra-the-joker: what database? if you install the php package for your RDBMS you should be fine |
| 04:59.19 | wols | woodyjlw: what chipset? |
| 04:59.33 | wols | durando: wlan? if yes, what chip/driver |
| 04:59.47 | woodyjlw | when in ubuntu the restricted driver did it for me... it is broad com chip |
| 04:59.51 | cobra-the-joker | wols , ok |
| 05:00.04 | durando | no gigabit wired lan |
| 05:00.06 | wols | woodyjlw: that doesn't tell me which chipset. broadcom makes more than one |
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| 05:00.17 | wols | durando: that's odd. what does your kernel log say? |
| 05:00.32 | durando | everything on this box was fine all of a asudden it's not |
| 05:00.33 | mnuhmnuh | yagoo: sorry, i thought i was helping someone secure a linux box. when did win2008 come in? :-O |
| 05:00.36 | woodyjlw | wols, how do I find out? |
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| 05:01.05 | wols | woodyjlw: lspci -nn |
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| 05:01.52 | ACADEMICGUY | mnuhmnuh he left, doesnt waste ur time. u would be wasting if he was online anyway |
| 05:01.57 | durando | wols stand bye I gotta go check it...... this is supposed to be network only so much for that pipe dream |
| 05:02.14 | woodyjlw | wols, Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
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| 05:02.33 | mnuhmnuh | yagoo, 'kay, i'm slow. :-P |
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| 05:03.20 | Miesco_ | How come I can't get terminus in xfontsel? |
| 05:03.51 | wols | woodyjlw: you lack the firmware for this chip. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43_and_b43legacy |
| 05:04.31 | woodyjlw | wols, dose that mean I cant use my wireless? |
| 05:04.52 | wols | no that doesn't mean that |
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| 05:06.26 | durando | damn... my raid array is gone...... |
| 05:07.04 | ACADEMICGUY | man, is there any server i can get more help than here? |
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| 05:07.35 | ACADEMICGUY | i mean, not the channel, but a server. no one is answering me in other channels |
| 05:07.40 | wols | ACADEMICGUY: there is oftc.net but basically the same people are there as here. why do you think you don't get help here? |
| 05:08.30 | wols | the problem you have is that it's early morning in europe and late at night in the US. there simply aren't any people awake. come in the evenings UTC and you will have more people around |
| 05:09.14 | ACADEMICGUY | wols i need some help about snort and no one answers in the chan |
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| 05:09.35 | boudiccas | ACADEMICGUY; i wonder why |
| 05:09.46 | stew | ACADEMICGUY: this isn't a good place to ask for help with windows. have you tried ##windows? |
| 05:09.49 | wols | smaller channels often are this way, no matter where. OSS projects rarely have a 24/7 support hotline :P |
| 05:09.57 | ACADEMICGUY | yeap |
| 05:10.09 | ACADEMICGUY | but its not about windows necessarily |
| 05:10.40 | stew | ACADEMICGUY: oh, then I must have missed your question somehow. the only thing I see in /lastlog snort is you asking about a windows gui for snort |
| 05:10.54 | durando | ahhhhh raid is down!!!!!!!! |
| 05:11.15 | wols | !coffee durando |
| 05:11.15 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Peruvian for durando, courtesy of wols |
| 05:11.16 | ACADEMICGUY | i need some gui for snort, rather for windows |
| 05:11.17 | delu | Does anyone know about the current state of EFI-booting Debian? |
| 05:11.28 | wols | ACADEMICGUY: that question is severely OT here |
| 05:11.33 | stew | ACADEMICGUY: what does "rather for windows" mean? |
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| 05:12.13 | ACADEMICGUY | i have some network dump files and i need an ids to detect attacks from it... |
| 05:12.33 | durando | I never should have built a raid I'm obviously not qualified to run it |
| 05:12.33 | delu | I'm trying to put Debian on a Macbook Pro for a dualboot, and I'm wondering what the advantages, disadvantages of EFI-booting Debian on a pure GPT disk versus bios-emulation on a hybrid GPT/MBR |
| 05:12.52 | delu | *what the advantages and disadvantages are |
| 05:13.52 | ACADEMICGUY | stew i have a tool (honeypot) running on windows for academic porpuses and all my job is stored on windows... but if i have to use linux, i will |
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| 05:14.42 | JeremyS | how does git-dch determine what name/email to sign your changelog with? |
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| 05:14.50 | Arrowmaster | one thing is that on an msdos partitioned drive the installer will align the partitions to 1mb intervals i think so they will always be aligned properly, but i think i heard that it doesnt do that on gpt, but i dont think you can even use an msdos partition format on a mac |
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| 05:15.09 | stew | ACADEMICGUY: snort can do this |
| 05:16.04 | durando | someone want to ssh into my box and help me figure out why it's broken |
| 05:16.35 | JeremyS | why can't you do it yourself? |
| 05:17.03 | stew | ACADEMICGUY: man snort says you want the -r option |
| 05:17.17 | durando | I'm obviously unqualified |
| 05:17.24 | mnuhmnuh | durando: uhh, what? |
| 05:18.02 | mnuhmnuh | durando: what'd you do last, describe symptoms, ... |
| 05:18.48 | durando | I ripped a bluray movie to the drive and tried to play and it crashed |
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| 05:19.53 | durando | now raid isn't even showing |
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| 05:21.47 | mnuhmnuh | ACADEMICGUY: nobody NEEDS a gui. sheesh. |
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| 05:29.12 | project2501a | hey guys, i need an "enterprisey" white paper to show why one should install debian and not redhat. i got a d*ckwar going on in the central it department: they are demanding that we should switch over to redhat, because "ibm said so" |
| 05:29.58 | mnuhmnuh | project2501a: give up. |
| 05:30.03 | project2501a | hell no. |
| 05:30.06 | project2501a | merde |
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| 05:30.24 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 05:31.09 | mnuhmnuh | project2501a: bus. types have made up their minds. you'll just be road kill ... |
| 05:31.36 | project2501a | um, not really dude. i handle 20k cores |
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| 05:32.14 | project2501a | i am my own it department. i still can have my say. they just won't take a "blog entry" as serious "enterprise paper" |
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| 05:32.33 | Arrowmaster | why did 'imb say so' |
| 05:32.36 | Arrowmaster | ibm |
| 05:32.41 | durando | I dunno what I did wrong I guess I needed freenas, openfiler something that just runs |
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| 05:33.42 | mnuhmnuh | project2501a: sorry, good for you you can make it happen. i'll research. :-) |
| 05:35.34 | project2501a | Arrowmaster: around these parts of the world, ibm rules supreme, mostly due to the connections with the royal family. |
| 05:36.09 | Arrowmaster | so this has nothing to do with support contracts? |
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| 05:38.11 | Arrowmaster | if it was me i would just put my foot down and say that im much more familiar with debian and not very familiar with redhat at all so if i have to manage the servers they will run what i choose |
| 05:38.41 | Arrowmaster | assuming no contract obligations or requirements for support |
| 05:39.02 | boudiccas | project2501a; have you had a look at CentOS? Thats rebranded RH |
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| 05:44.01 | peterrooney | project2501a: don't know of any whitepapers. If you think someone is getting sold on hype, remind them that switching over may incur extensive retraining costs, recertification costs, and severe delays as all bespoke software and local customizations are tested.. Plus, changes in HR requirements. |
| 05:44.41 | peterrooney | project2501a: that last one means more paperwork for the hype swallower. |
| 05:45.00 | chegibari | does anybody use debian inside a VMWare machine here? (as a guest OS, windows being the host) |
| 05:45.27 | chegibari | VMWare was not responsive for most part of a dist-upgrade |
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| 05:50.59 | vingian | hello folks - a quick question. Using debian with liqourix kernel and recently needed to debug using gdb |
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| 05:51.18 | vingian | however got: ptrace: Operation not permitted. |
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| 05:52.01 | vingian | googling only leads to answers related to ubuntu and, well - I don't even have a yama under my /proc/sys/kernel |
| 05:52.59 | project2501a | peterrooney: good suggestion. |
| 05:53.16 | project2501a | boudiccas: yeah, i have. but why would i want to switch to centos? |
| 05:53.22 | vingian | any thoughts on how I can have gdb attach to a running process - its worth mentioning that the UID of my target process is mine |
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| 05:53.47 | project2501a | Arrowmaster: no, this has nothing to do with support contracts. i am running a bioinformatics department. we do not need support cotnract. |
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| 05:56.36 | streuner__ | vingian: http://techpatterns.com/forums/forum-34.html |
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| 05:57.38 | tompaw | Morning. |
| 05:57.52 | homie | morning |
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| 05:58.40 | boudiccas | project2501a; you could set up a dev. box with CentOS, which is a RHEL clone and learn the RH way on that |
| 05:59.04 | tompaw | I'm trying to set up a serial console between two etch's. Both ports are tested and working. Using null cable. See getty listening on ttyS0, but when I minicom from other PC, it says "Offline". |
| 05:59.21 | tompaw | Tried all sets of options, nothing helps... am I missing something obvious? |
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| 05:59.51 | vingian | hmmm... is there any benefit of using liquorix over the stock debian kernel? |
| 05:59.57 | Miesco_ | How do you start X and run a program in one line? |
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| 06:00.24 | wols | Miesco: put the program in ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 06:00.53 | Miesco | wols: I need it in a single line, not with .xinitrc |
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| 06:01.28 | streuner__ | vingian: for most users prolly noe |
| 06:01.37 | streuner__ | vingian: s/noe/no/ |
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| 06:02.37 | vingian | streuner__: I have nothing against liqourix - just makes me wonder what other sort of issues I could run into |
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| 06:03.32 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: startx man page says you can specify client and server to run try experimenting with it |
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| 06:08.37 | streuner__ | vingian: using other kernel(s) other than the default kernel in Debian is always a risk, you should know what you doing then, IMO |
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| 06:24.05 | linuxguy101 | hi |
| 06:24.07 | linuxguy101 | anyone here? |
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| 06:59.04 | ayambit | do you know any way to manage multiple linux servers from one console? I mean by this that I don't want to set up my console config and environment vars like LSCOLORS and editing mode (vi) on all servers, I want to set it up on my working machine and get it working everywhere. |
| 06:59.38 | ssfdre38 | i use PuTTy for that |
| 07:00.40 | ayambit | ssfdre38: how exactly do you transfer bash_profile and stuff? |
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| 07:01.30 | ssfdre38 | that i use the server connect on the gnome desktop |
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| 07:02.42 | unforgiven512 | I just wiped my entire hard drive, and attempted installation of Debian Testing |
| 07:03.41 | nkuttler | ayambit: 'setting up' a remote server is just a git clone + make install for me fwiw |
| 07:04.23 | unforgiven512 | And, it downloaded ~1200 files from the mirror (which took quite some time), now, it's prompting me "/cdrom/:Please insert the disc labeled: 'Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20110518-16:45' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter. Media change" |
| 07:04.51 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: what do you mean by you downloaded the files? |
| 07:04.55 | unforgiven512 | I have the disc in the drive. I've attempted ejecting and reinserting. I've attempted unmounting and manually remounting from a terminal. |
| 07:05.10 | unforgiven512 | nkuttler: It's the netinst disc, I had to download all of the packages during install. |
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| 07:06.04 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: you can probably just remove the cd from your /etc/apt/sources.list , apt-get update again and proceed with your install |
| 07:06.19 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: the base system is installed, right? |
| 07:06.22 | unforgiven512 | how so? I'm installing from CD right now. |
| 07:06.25 | unforgiven512 | Yeah, should be. |
| 07:06.47 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: and when you type enter nothing happens? |
| 07:06.56 | unforgiven512 | I'm pretty sure it installed most (if not all) of the 1196 packages it had to download. -- it sat there for a while |
| 07:07.07 | unforgiven512 | The machine is responsive, yes. But, it's stuck. |
| 07:07.22 | nkuttler | did you already reboot during the install? |
| 07:07.31 | unforgiven512 | I'm trying to look through syslog now, with: cat /var/log/syslog | more |
| 07:07.34 | unforgiven512 | No |
| 07:08.01 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: so what did you do before you got prompted for the cd? |
| 07:08.41 | unforgiven512 | What do you mean? Put the disc in, turned my PC on, and started installing? |
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| 07:09.51 | mnuhmnuh | unforgiven512: less /var/log/syslog # :-) |
| 07:10.25 | unforgiven512 | less not present D- |
| 07:10.26 | unforgiven512 | D= |
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| 07:12.18 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: did you install grub to the mbr yet? |
| 07:13.10 | unforgiven512 | I don't believe so =/ |
| 07:13.39 | unforgiven512 | Grub is (should) be on my MBR from my previous Ubuntu install, however. Debian-installer installs grub at the end of the install process afaik |
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| 07:14.25 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: and there's no option to skip/abort the current prompt? |
| 07:15.12 | unforgiven512 | It doesn't appear so =/ |
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| 07:15.20 | nkuttler | i'm surprised the netinst would ask for the cd at all.. |
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| 07:15.52 | unforgiven512 | Syslog is spammed with "load-install-cd: E: Failed to mount the cdrom." |
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| 07:18.51 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: well.. not sure how this can be salvaged. i'd probably kill the installer and make sure there's a kernel + grub installed and reboot to finish the install.. |
| 07:19.25 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: and just for the record, i never install packages with the installer. just base, finish install, and install everything else after that |
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| 07:20.03 | unforgiven512 | ugh |
| 07:20.14 | unforgiven512 | I really don't want to have to download all the packages again D= |
| 07:20.45 | Lorlnz | unforgiven512: they're in the cache |
| 07:21.01 | unforgiven512 | pkgsel: finishing up |
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| 07:21.30 | unforgiven512 | load-install-cd: E: Failed to mount the cdrom. |
| 07:21.32 | unforgiven512 | :( |
| 07:21.41 | unforgiven512 | I even manually mounted the cdrom to /cdrom/ |
| 07:22.10 | unforgiven512 | I have an idea, let's see if this works... |
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| 07:22.45 | unforgiven512 | Ok, switched to VT1 and hit ctrl+c to bring me back to tasksel |
| 07:22.59 | unforgiven512 | Now, the cdrom is mounted correctly, let's see if this works |
| 07:23.03 | unforgiven512 | Nope :( |
| 07:24.28 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: fwiw, there's #debian-boot @ oftc |
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| 07:26.05 | unforgiven512 | Hmm |
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| 07:29.23 | unforgiven512 | hehe, I killed /bin/sh /usr/bin/load-install-cd /target |
| 07:29.30 | unforgiven512 | and I can override and install grub |
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| 07:30.33 | unforgiven512 | wtf |
| 07:30.35 | unforgiven512 | forget it |
| 07:30.44 | unforgiven512 | I'll just reinstall, and just the base-system |
| 07:31.38 | nkuttler | like Lorlnz said the packages should still be on the disk, so don't format the drive |
| 07:31.41 | mnuhmnuh | unforgiven512: start over. wtf are you trying to do? focus, |
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| 07:32.17 | unforgiven512 | So, when prompted to partition, just set the mountpoints and leave as is? |
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| 07:35.29 | unforgiven512 | And, this time, just select "base system"? |
| 07:35.43 | unforgiven512 | Or should I try the full desktop option again? |
| 07:36.06 | unforgiven512 | (It shouldn't have to redownload the packages -- as he said, they're cached on the drive?) |
| 07:37.01 | unforgiven512 | I'm coming over from the somewhat-dark side -- Ubuntu 11.04 (Ugh) |
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| 07:37.54 | unforgiven512 | I had nothing but problems. Random "hole" in my screen where my mouse wouldn't work. Random 142 second hang during bootup. Random hardlocks. Random other issues. |
| 07:38.00 | D4rKr0W | any suggestion on what package i should get to be able to use HTML::Restrict in debian? i tried libhtml-restrict-perl but there's no such package |
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| 07:38.57 | unforgiven512 | No idea =/ |
| 07:39.03 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: tbh, it sounds like you hardware is wonky |
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| 07:39.37 | unforgiven512 | It's all basically brand new... |
| 07:39.43 | nkuttler | D4rKr0W: there's some tool to build .debs from cpan directly |
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| 07:40.07 | unforgiven512 | The hang is caused by an ACPI issue present in Ubuntu's kernel |
| 07:40.33 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: you mean the hang during the install? |
| 07:40.40 | unforgiven512 | in 11.04 -- 10.10 worked fine. |
| 07:40.51 | unforgiven512 | No, hang during boot, Ubuntu 11.04 |
| 07:41.10 | D4rKr0W | thanks nkuttler will look into it |
| 07:41.14 | unforgiven512 | All my hardware is under warranty, anyhow. |
| 07:41.17 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: fwiw, there should be a boot parameter to disable acpi |
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| 07:41.39 | unforgiven512 | Yeah, that sucks, though. |
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| 07:42.06 | unforgiven512 | And, disabling ACPI APIC in my BIOS fixes the boot issue, but takes my 6-core CPU down to a 1-core CPU :( |
| 07:42.13 | unforgiven512 | f' that |
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| 07:43.35 | abrotman | acpi and apic are different, disable one at a time |
| 07:43.40 | unforgiven512 | I'm installing just base-system now, let's see how this goes. |
| 07:43.56 | unforgiven512 | Sweet, it passed that step. |
| 07:44.21 | wols | is the installer kenerl a SMP one? or sit -486? |
| 07:45.19 | unforgiven512 | abrotman: I understand the difference. -- "noacpi nolapic" fixes it in the kernel line. Disabling "ACPI APIC Support" in the BIOS fixes it from that end. Both have the same result, 1 CPU core. |
| 07:45.56 | unforgiven512 | And I know it's Ubuntu's kernel, because the debian installer also is using 2.6.38 and did *not* hang |
| 07:46.33 | unforgiven512 | I can install the graphical desktop from a minimal system using tasksel, right? |
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| 07:47.41 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: sure, tasksel, apt, aptitude, whatever |
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| 07:48.17 | unforgiven512 | ok cool |
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| 07:48.33 | Lorlnz | unforgiven512: use tasksel if you don't know the package names you need |
| 07:48.58 | unforgiven512 | I have an idea of them, I just enjoy using tasksel to get a general system up, and then tweak from there |
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| 07:50.02 | unforgiven512 | plus I can also use 'apt-cache search $1 | grep $2 |
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| 07:50.35 | Lorlnz | i grep through Contents-i386.gz to locate missing bits |
| 07:50.46 | wols | hmmm. 2.6.39 is out |
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| 07:51.39 | Lorlnz | sometimes, using strace on broken stuff points me to missing files |
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| 07:52.53 | abrotman | unforgiven512: yes, that's what APIC Is or |
| 07:53.05 | abrotman | unforgiven512: looked for a BIOS update? |
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| 08:02.59 | Lorlnz | debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso -> "Debootstrap Error. Failed to determine the codename for the release." |
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| 08:11.27 | Lorlnz | that spaceship in the installer boot menu ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult |
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| 08:17.21 | wols | !tell linuxguy101 about install kde |
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| 08:27.10 | unforgiven512 | What packages do I need to install for a bare-minimum GNOME system? |
| 08:27.34 | wols | !tell unforgiven512 about install gnome |
| 08:28.25 | wols | unforgiven512: and tell apt to not install "recommended" packages either if you want to be minimal |
| 08:28.41 | unforgiven512 | I just want to get into a GUI |
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| 08:28.50 | unforgiven512 | So I can play music and go to bed =/ |
| 08:29.02 | simonlnu | gnome isn't enough. you need xorg too. |
| 08:29.19 | unforgiven512 | apt-get install gnome-session gdm ? |
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| 08:31.38 | unforgiven512 | Alright, bombs away! |
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| 08:33.32 | nsadmin | gnome is kinda heavy (so is kde) there are lighter alternative, some mucn lighter |
| 08:34.29 | wooster | i like xdm |
| 08:34.33 | wooster | and scrotwm |
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| 08:39.18 | RainbowW | has anyone implemented a login module that implements Blizzard's authenticators? |
| 08:39.47 | nsadmin | why implement bad weather?Q |
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| 08:40.17 | Tekku | Bons Dias Pessoal |
| 08:40.19 | unforgiven512 | RainbowW: Look into google-authenticator -- it's similar |
| 08:41.19 | unforgiven512 | All open source, and, if you use an Android phone (I think iOS and RIM/BlackBerry OS are supported too) you'd just use the phone to generate codes. |
| 08:41.31 | Arrowmaster | its probably possible to make one for the mobile auth app but i dont think its possible for the hardware tokens |
| 08:42.11 | RainbowW | there is an open-source version of the auth app that reveals the secret (so, for example, it can be backed up). |
| 08:42.16 | unforgiven512 | Arrowmaster: And in that case, you're better off using Google Authenticator -- same function, but open source, and there's already a pam module implemented. |
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| 08:56.56 | WhitePelican | hello. I'm running Debian Squeeze. I would like to use the most recent version of kde but not upgrade anything else. Can this be done easily? |
| 08:58.03 | daedaluz | no. kdelibs have to be upgraded and I dunno about its deps |
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| 08:58.34 | WhitePelican | bummer |
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| 08:59.18 | WhitePelican | that's OK |
| 08:59.20 | WhitePelican | I'll deal |
| 08:59.36 | WhitePelican | I'd much rather have a stable system at this point anyway |
| 09:00.36 | unforgiven512 | Can someone help me configure X? I'm stuck at a shell, and can't get into gnome/x |
| 09:00.41 | daedaluz | well you could use GNOME or XFCE as the stable desktop, as kdelibs certainly isn't dependent on any GTK parts |
| 09:00.47 | unforgiven512 | I tried dpkg-reconifgure xorg |
| 09:01.48 | unforgiven512 | No screens found. |
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| 09:02.28 | unforgiven512 | I can't even find xorg.conf |
| 09:02.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | unforgiven512: why is xorg broken? |
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| 09:03.31 | unforgiven512 | Kamping_Kaiser: I installed Debian testing from netinst, did minimal install |
| 09:03.43 | unforgiven512 | Then, apt-get install gnome-session gdm xorg |
| 09:03.47 | unforgiven512 | And, it doesn't work =/ |
| 09:04.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | i assume there is a reason you're not simply installing (say) the desktop task? |
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| 09:04.45 | jelly | unforgiven512: hey, you're a user of testing, you're supposed to be able to look at logs and help fixing it by yourself. Inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:05.16 | jelly | dpkg, tell unforgiven512 about install gnome |
| 09:05.25 | unforgiven512 | I mean, I guess I could install with tasksel -- I had an issue with installing via tasksel from the netinst cd |
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| 09:06.11 | unforgiven512 | jelly: already read all that, that's how I got to where I am. |
| 09:06.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah, that sort of thing happens when 500 packages are migrated in a few weeks (: |
| 09:06.25 | unforgiven512 | jelly: And I am familiar with most things. xorg is just a pain. |
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| 09:09.38 | jelly | unforgiven512: can you provide the whole log for others to look at? Just a "No screens found." doesn't actually say much, except "no installed drivers were able to find any sort of graphic card" |
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| 09:10.19 | jelly | unforgiven512: for a start, is xserver-xorg-video-all installed? Which video card is in there (its lspci -nn line)? |
| 09:12.08 | unforgiven512 | jelly: Yeah I can scp it over to my server. |
| 09:12.30 | unforgiven512 | I'm currently installing DKMS -- I noticed something in the log about it lacking DKMS. |
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| 09:14.23 | unforgiven512 | 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Barts PRO [ATI Radeon HD 6800 Series] [1002:6739] |
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| 09:15.34 | unforgiven512 | Log: http://download.unforgivendevelopment.com/android/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:15.34 | simonlnu | probably to build some kernel driver |
| 09:16.18 | unforgiven512 | And yes, xserver-xorg-video-all is installed. |
| 09:16.20 | simonlnu | not DKMS, KMS. different |
| 09:16.23 | cinix_ | I bought a new hard drive that I would like to swap out with my current one. I am using LUKS with encryption and am not sure how to do it. I see my possible options as dd clone the drive, reassign the hardware id's somehow, and just expand the partition. Or to add the new drive through a USB enclosuer to the LUKS volume, then remove the old drive from the volume and hope for the best. |
| 09:16.36 | unforgiven512 | simo |
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| 09:16.45 | ZeroEnna | Hi @ all |
| 09:16.47 | unforgiven512 | simonlnu: Elaborate? |
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| 09:16.55 | simonlnu | !kms |
| 09:16.55 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 09:17.22 | unforgiven512 | So, disable? |
| 09:17.31 | simonlnu | ah, i see |
| 09:17.38 | unforgiven512 | ? |
| 09:17.39 | simonlnu | later on: |
| 09:17.49 | simonlnu | (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
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| 09:18.25 | unforgiven512 | How do I fix that? |
| 09:18.57 | simonlnu | meaning the fbdev driver was looking for a framebuffer device file, and since it seems that there isn't a fb driver loaded (kernel space), it's not created by udev, (/dev/fb0), it fails |
| 09:19.02 | jelly | ,xorg 1002:6739 |
| 09:19.04 | judd | Device 1002:6739 is not matched by any xorg drivers in squeeze or sid. |
| 09:19.28 | simonlnu | could be your device is too new, or something else |
| 09:19.31 | unforgiven512 | :( |
| 09:19.34 | unforgiven512 | Yeah, it is new. |
| 09:19.41 | simonlnu | actually, it is |
| 09:19.43 | jelly | dpkg, tell unforgiven512 about ati |
| 09:19.46 | unforgiven512 | But, shouldn't the VESA drivers pick it up? |
| 09:19.52 | simonlnu | AMD Radeon HD 6900M Series, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, BARTS, BARTS, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, |
| 09:20.14 | simonlnu | it tried to load it |
| 09:20.22 | simonlnu | WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa |
| 09:20.28 | unforgiven512 | ah |
| 09:20.36 | simonlnu | but tried fbdev first |
| 09:20.44 | unforgiven512 | Think I should install the proprietary drivers? |
| 09:21.00 | simonlnu | no |
| 09:21.13 | simonlnu | !radeonhd |
| 09:21.13 | dpkg | radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>. |
| 09:21.37 | simonlnu | !radeon |
| 09:21.37 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 09:22.03 | simonlnu | did you happen to install the firmware (the non-free one)? |
| 09:22.16 | unforgiven512 | Nope, shall I give that a shot? |
| 09:22.21 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 09:22.40 | jelly | yes, and reboot afterwards to see if the kernel part of the driver takes off |
| 09:22.41 | simonlnu | gl, need to hit the bed |
| 09:22.45 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 09:22.50 | unforgiven512 | Thanks. |
| 09:22.57 | unforgiven512 | And thanks. |
| 09:22.58 | simonlnu | kms might kick in after the reboot ;) |
| 09:23.06 | unforgiven512 | I really hope so :) |
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| 09:24.58 | wols | simonlnu: you're really optimistic that the radeon driver already supports a hd6000 series chip. especially on squeeze |
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| 09:28.07 | unforgiven512 | wols: wheezy |
| 09:28.12 | unforgiven512 | brb, though. rebooting |
| 09:28.28 | jelly | wols: Xorg log says it does. |
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| 09:29.19 | wols | jelly: I know, but is debian this latest version of Xorg? wheezy might of course |
| 09:29.30 | wols | *debian using |
| 09:30.19 | jelly | the user has a version of video-radeon that supports their card, who cares whether it's latest or not |
| 09:30.28 | unforgiven512 | No luck =/ |
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| 09:30.59 | unforgiven512 | Gonna give flgrx a shot, I guess? |
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| 09:31.10 | jelly | unforgiven512: did KMS not activate at boot (did you end up with a nice native-resolution framebuffer console)? |
| 09:31.24 | jelly | pastebin your dmesg |
| 09:31.59 | jelly | unforgiven512: might need to upgrade the kernel if you're still at Debian 6' 2.6.32 |
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| 09:32.54 | unforgiven512 | oh no |
| 09:33.02 | unforgiven512 | 640x480 |
| 09:33.10 | unforgiven512 | I'll upload 'em to my server |
| 09:33.27 | jelly | !kernels |
| 09:33.29 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110519, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.39-rc7-git14, mainline 2.6: 2.6.39 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.6 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.4 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.9 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.9 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.13 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.40 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.57 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.11 |
| 09:34.26 | unforgiven512 | http://download.unforgivendevelopment.com/android/dmesg.log |
| 09:35.00 | unforgiven512 | and I'm using 2.6.38 -- I know for fact 2.6.32 doesn't like this card. And I know for fact support was added in 2.6.38, that's why I went with testing :) |
| 09:35.25 | unforgiven512 | I was using Ubuntu 11.04 for a while, but, ugh. Ubuntu hasn't been my cup of tea lately. |
| 09:35.45 | unforgiven512 | It's a completely fresh install. |
| 09:35.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions linux-2.6 |
| 09:35.48 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 09:35.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, no source packages? |
| 09:36.15 | unforgiven512 | I just installed fglrx, gonna see if this works. Brb, again. |
| 09:40.15 | ZeroEnna | wols: I upgraded my server this morning, and it didn't quite work as well as I expected. The MySQL Server crashed, but a reinstall fixed the problem. |
| 09:40.24 | unforgiven512 | Still no luck. |
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| 09:40.29 | unforgiven512 | Still no kms |
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| 09:43.47 | jelly | with fglrx you won't need kms (and in fact you'd have to disable it even if it works) |
| 09:45.18 | jelly | unforgiven512: you followed /msg dpkg fglrx ? |
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| 09:46.49 | ZeroEnna | er just one quick thing: During upgrade, my server notified me, that some of my init.d scripts are not LSB compliant. Could someone check what's wrong with these scripts (anaylze one of them)? |
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| 09:49.09 | wols | !tell ZeroEnna about dependency based startup |
| 09:49.47 | Gump | hey #debian, i am trying to install debian from windows and it keeps trying to find boot.ini on drive U:\ which doesn't exist (it's a fake drive from daemon tools) |
| 09:49.59 | Gump | wtf. the install keeps stopping. how can i specify drive c:\? |
| 09:50.17 | wols | Gump: how are you installing debian again? |
| 09:50.52 | Gump | i mounted the .ini from within windows |
| 09:51.00 | Gump | and am using the autorun which starts the setup |
| 09:51.05 | Gump | it returns "error opening file for writing: U:\wind32-loader\cpio.exe" |
| 09:51.21 | wols | what exactly did you download and then mount? |
| 09:51.30 | Gump | fffff. i meant the .iso |
| 09:51.43 | Gump | from debian.org |
| 09:51.59 | Gump | it's the small version of debian amd64 |
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| 09:52.15 | wols | last time: what exactly did you download? |
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| 09:52.46 | Gump | the small version of debian amd64, in iso format, from debian.org |
| 09:52.48 | Gump | want a link? |
| 09:53.04 | Gump | http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 09:53.06 | wols | Gump: have a nice day and don't misuse your enter key so much. that hurts |
| 09:53.24 | Gump | my bad man, i'm frustrated and it's been a long night |
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| 09:54.06 | unforgiven512 | jelly: I did 'apt-get install fglrx-drivers' |
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| 09:54.21 | unforgiven512 | I'll try exactly as it prescribes for "fglrx dkms" |
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| 09:55.17 | ZeroEnna | Gump: You downloaded and mounted the netinstall iso, I assume, right? |
| 09:55.24 | Gump | exactly |
| 09:55.32 | ZeroEnna | Gump: and then? |
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| 09:56.13 | ZeroEnna | Gump: No wait! WHAT do you try? That won't work, because the ISO file is bootable itself |
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| 09:57.02 | Gump | and then i clicked simple install, and it asked me to accept the terms and conditions, and then it returned "error opening file for writing: U:\win32-loader\cpio.exe" |
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| 09:57.41 | ZeroEnna | the ISO File only works burned on a CD or mounted into a virtual Machine afaik, so you have to boot from (virtual machine's) BIOS |
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| 09:58.35 | nuobus | Heya |
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| 09:58.47 | nuobus | Dudes and dudestresses |
| 09:58.49 | Gump | it has an autorun for windows, and the website has instructions for installing from windows. i have it mounted with daemon tools. my cd drive is burned out so... not sure what else to try |
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| 09:59.24 | ZeroEnna | did you check for checksum errors? Maybe the image file is corrupted during download |
| 09:59.41 | chegibari | Hello |
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| 09:59.54 | Gump | possible. i have it burned on a cd, i'll go check it on another computer |
| 09:59.56 | nuobus | All right guys, I would like to install Debian over Ubuntu. I got a netbook so I'm a in doubt . |
| 10:00.16 | nuobus | And that tutorial on how to install from usb seems a little bit hard |
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| 10:00.51 | nuobus | Anybody?? |
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| 10:01.05 | nuobus | HELLO |
| 10:01.06 | Gump | nuobus, setting up a boot usbdrive is pretty easy actually |
| 10:01.17 | unforgiven512 | Easy there |
| 10:01.30 | Gump | i can't recommend debian over ubuntu cause its my first time trying it today, but setting up a boot usbdrive isn't too bad |
| 10:01.33 | nuobus | Gump, doesn't work for me...idk why |
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| 10:01.48 | Arrowmaster | what are you trying? |
| 10:01.52 | nuobus | Gump, I just wanna clean my disk formatting it |
| 10:02.14 | nuobus | I think there's somthing wrong with my ubuntu... probably not installed properly.. |
| 10:02.22 | Gump | nuobus, i know how to do that easily with ubuntu. wish i could help with debian, but i'll have to defer to everyone else here |
| 10:02.32 | Arrowmaster | if you already have a working linux install, creating a bootable usb to install debian is as simple as downloading a file and running 1 command |
| 10:02.44 | Achylles | nuobus: you can install unetbootin and install any linux version in you stickdrive |
| 10:02.55 | nuobus | aha |
| 10:03.07 | Arrowmaster | ive heard of issue with unetbootin and new debian iso's |
| 10:03.09 | nuobus | But which file should I choose? |
| 10:03.16 | Achylles | nuobus: Do apt-get install unetbootin and then try it |
| 10:03.23 | nuobus | I did |
| 10:03.26 | nuobus | Got it already |
| 10:03.41 | nuobus | I mean which iso should I choose to install debian? |
| 10:04.15 | Gump | alright, i confirmed that the .iso is not corrupted |
| 10:04.28 | Achylles | nuobus: debian itself. In unetbootin you have many linux choices |
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| 10:04.52 | Achylles | nuobus: and one of them is a debian image |
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| 10:04.57 | Achylles | nuobus: :) |
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| 10:05.14 | Gump | what can i try next? i have a usb harddrive. could i possibly partition it and make a boot partition and use that partition to boot to debian setup from the bios? |
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| 10:05.50 | nuobus | Achylles, yes I follow you. What I am saying is just which one should I chose.. for example theres some netinstall |
| 10:05.52 | nuobus | and so on |
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| 10:06.17 | Arrowmaster | you might not want to use the netinstall if your only network connection is wireless |
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| 10:06.36 | Gump | yeah, i'm actually wondering about that myself. why not use the netinstall for a wireless connection? |
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| 10:06.49 | nuobus | Achylles, for example now I see 3 discs |
| 10:06.49 | Arrowmaster | because the wireless might not work |
| 10:07.02 | nuobus | Achylles, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/kfreebsd-i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:07.22 | Arrowmaster | you dont want kfreebsd |
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| 10:07.43 | nuobus | Arrowmaster, then what to choose? |
| 10:08.16 | Gump | so... i take it noone knows why my computer is refusing to install debian? :( |
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| 10:08.59 | Gump | i think i'll just nuke the whole thing from orbit and move to the moon. i give up. |
| 10:09.01 | Arrowmaster | well you probably cant go wrong with http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/multi-arch/iso-dvd/ unless its too big for your usb drive |
| 10:09.13 | unforgiven512 | Well, I made it to gdm. However, my keyboard and mouse are not working. I can tell that the computer is not hardlocked, due to being able to ssh in and the cursor blinking. |
| 10:09.35 | Arrowmaster | but really you need to know if you want 32bit or 64bit |
| 10:09.56 | nuobus | Arrowmaster, It's 64 I need 32 |
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| 10:10.04 | unforgiven512 | Do I need to define the keyboard and mouse in, say, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-keyboard.conf and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/15-mouse.conf ? |
| 10:10.06 | nuobus | yeah |
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| 10:10.33 | Arrowmaster | then use http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 10:10.44 | unforgiven512 | Gump: Have you tried unetbootin, out of curiousity? |
| 10:10.59 | Gump | my only linux install is corrupt. i'm stuck in windows |
| 10:11.05 | unforgiven512 | =p |
| 10:11.15 | unforgiven512 | There's a winblows version of unetbootin |
| 10:11.23 | unforgiven512 | oops, made a typo ;) |
| 10:11.27 | nuobus | Thank's arrowdude :-) |
| 10:11.32 | Gump | i don't have a usb drive anyway. an awesome typo i might add |
| 10:11.52 | unforgiven512 | I'm so used to typing "winblows" that when I mean to type "windows" I type "winblows" without even thinking about it =/ |
| 10:11.55 | Gump | would unetbootin work with an SD card? i tried it once a while back and didnt have any luck |
| 10:12.11 | unforgiven512 | Guess that's what years of hatin' on windows does to ya |
| 10:12.16 | unforgiven512 | Yeah I don't see why not. |
| 10:12.28 | Gump | well. guess i'm gonna give it another shot |
| 10:12.39 | unforgiven512 | I doubt it'll automatically get detected as a "usb drive" -- you may have to manually select it. |
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| 10:12.57 | unforgiven512 | But, I honestly don't see why not. The disk partitioning structure (MBR) is the same. |
| 10:13.03 | unforgiven512 | So, it ought'ta work. |
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| 10:16.17 | ethanol | when I run apt-get upgrade, it lists a bunch of files to be removed. nothing to be upgraded or installed though. can I find out why it wants to remove those packages? |
| 10:16.37 | chegibari | Hello |
| 10:17.02 | chegibari | What does this kind of message from synaptic mean? : libghc6-agda-dev: Depends: libghc-agda-dev but it is not installable |
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| 10:17.56 | brammator | what FS is best (safest?) to use for / on SSD? |
| 10:17.59 | cer_abg | hi there |
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| 10:18.22 | chegibari | there is no libghc-agda-dev (without "6") package |
| 10:18.23 | unforgiven512 | jelly: I made it to gdm, however, my keyboard and mouse don't work. Do they need setup with x config files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* as well? |
| 10:18.36 | unforgiven512 | brammator: That's really subjective. |
| 10:18.43 | abrotman | chegibari: and? |
| 10:18.45 | unforgiven512 | brammator: Perhaps ext4 ? |
| 10:19.01 | brammator | unforgiven512, why? |
| 10:19.05 | abrotman | brammator: i think the common consensus is ext2 |
| 10:19.17 | unforgiven512 | brammator: And if you're worried about wearing, *disable* journalling. |
| 10:19.22 | brammator | abrotman, because of no journaling? |
| 10:19.41 | brammator | unforgiven512, is ext4 w/o journaling better than ext2? |
| 10:19.52 | unforgiven512 | From the benchmarks on phoronix, by FAR |
| 10:19.57 | brammator | (as far as I heard, ext3 w/o j. is ext2) |
| 10:20.07 | chegibari | abrotman, and 1) I don't know why isn't included in the same repository as the other agda packages 2) I have no idea how where to find it |
| 10:20.31 | chegibari | abrotman, it sounds like something "broken" to me. That's why I'm asking |
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| 10:20.43 | unforgiven512 | ext4 has many enhancements over ext2/3 |
| 10:20.58 | unforgiven512 | You are correct in saying that ext3 is basically ext2 with journalling |
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| 10:21.58 | brammator | unforgiven512, thank you. |
| 10:22.05 | brammator | abrotman, and you ;-) |
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| 10:22.39 | jetscreamer | jfs |
| 10:23.37 | unforgiven512 | brammator: No problem. Like I said, just an opinion. Google "ext4 solid state drive" |
| 10:24.59 | abrotman | chegibari: what is agda ? |
| 10:25.05 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ah, no |
| 10:25.57 | chegibari | abrotman, Agda is it a dependently-typed programming language and a proof-assistant based on intuitionistic type theory |
| 10:26.09 | Zharf | why is boost.asio not included in debian distribution of boost :E |
| 10:26.10 | chegibari | -it |
| 10:26.45 | chegibari | abrotman, I (almost) copied it from the #agda channel topic line |
| 10:26.45 | abrotman | chegibari: and this is in Debian ? |
| 10:26.52 | chegibari | abrotman, yes |
| 10:27.17 | abrotman | which version of Debian are you on? |
| 10:27.31 | chegibari | abrotman, the libghc6-agda-dev is in debian, libghc-agda-dev apparently is not |
| 10:27.48 | abrotman | shuld it be? seems like the 6 one should be what you need |
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| 10:28.03 | chegibari | I'm using debian 6 |
| 10:28.15 | abrotman | i meant the libghc6 |
| 10:28.33 | abrotman | chegibari: what is the real problem you're trying to solve? |
| 10:29.08 | abrotman | IOW, why do you think you need a different package .. what isn't working with the one you have? |
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| 10:29.48 | chegibari | abrotman, it's a "Cannot mark all packages for installation or upgrade" error message from synaptic |
| 10:30.07 | chegibari | abrotman, because of "irresolvable dependencies" |
| 10:30.14 | abrotman | chegibari: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 10:30.46 | chegibari | sure, 1 sec |
| 10:31.54 | chegibari | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/117354/ |
| 10:32.43 | abrotman | chegibari: that is *not* Debian 6 .. squeez is stable .. sid is unstable |
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| 10:32.56 | abrotman | chegibari: did you intened to run Unstable? |
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| 10:34.30 | abrotman | chegibari: ? |
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| 10:36.08 | themill | abrotman: istr that he absolutely had to run sid because he absolutely had to have the latest haskell compiler and anyway the haskell people said that all the cool kids run sid anyway. |
| 10:36.16 | chegibari | abrotman, yes. I'm running unstable because it should be better for this "experimental stuff" |
| 10:36.56 | abrotman | chegibari: IMO, i'd ditch synaptic .. use aptitude .. start with 'aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 10:37.19 | themill | chegibari: also, please don't ask the same question in multiple places at the same time. Please stick to #debian-next if you want help with sid. |
| 10:38.10 | chegibari | I reached #debian-next after I abrotman answered me |
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| 10:38.32 | chegibari | I thank abrotman and will continue the discussion on #debian-next |
| 10:38.34 | chegibari | sorry |
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| 10:40.10 | abrotman | damn it .. lost another one! |
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| 10:40.59 | chegibari | abrotman, isn't it correct to call a "debian 6" upgraded to unstable "debian 6"? |
| 10:41.25 | chegibari | after all it has not its own version number |
| 10:41.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | chegibari: is it correct to call a flat knocked down and replaced with a skysraper 'one story'? |
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| 10:42.53 | chegibari | Kamping_Kaiser, I didn't realize I made something like that :) I just replaced few name in a file a run apt-get a couple of times :) |
| 10:43.39 | jelly | chegibari: it's not 6 any more if it's "upgraded" |
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| 10:45.30 | chegibari | jelly, well, it's not even "7". Maybe "Debian 6 SID" is the correct name? |
| 10:46.08 | themill | chegibari: definitely not. |
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| 10:47.11 | abrotman | chegibari: no, you're running 'unstable'. That's the term we use .. it has no number |
| 10:47.20 | chegibari | ok |
| 10:47.42 | abrotman | chegibari: gneerally, we discourage people from running it when they can't manage it themselves .. |
| 10:47.47 | chegibari | ah, problably it has no number because it's always in flux |
| 10:47.59 | abrotman | something like don't change your oil if you can't get the filter back on |
| 10:48.17 | jelly | chegibari: it will never be a number! |
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| 10:49.02 | chegibari | I was suggested to use debian unstable as the most "haskell friendly" linux distribution for experimental software |
| 10:49.20 | chegibari | I may learn to manage the problems, eventually |
| 10:49.25 | chegibari | Ubuntu gave me similar problems |
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| 10:50.31 | abrotman | suggested by who? |
| 10:50.37 | abrotman | not anoyone in here |
| 10:51.43 | jelly | abrotman: probably by people who actually use haskell and know what "haskell friendly" implies? |
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| 10:52.27 | guardian | hello |
| 10:52.44 | guardian | what do i need to install to see CJK text in gnome terminal, while keeping an en_US.UTF-8 locale? |
| 10:53.11 | guardian | i just want CJK text printed to stdout to appear correctly, looks like my box lacks fonts |
| 10:53.29 | chegibari | abrotman, a guy in #haskell |
| 10:53.30 | chegibari | abrotman, he suggested debian unstable and archlinux but I could not manage to install archlinux on a VMWare virtual machine |
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| 10:54.26 | abrotman | chegibari: well, now you jknow why you have problems .. Developers are *horrible* admins |
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| 10:55.19 | chegibari | abrotman, :) |
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| 10:56.05 | abrotman | it's not really that amusing when you break your system and can't figure it out and you have to ask us because a moron in #haskell told you to do this |
| 10:56.20 | abrotman | not something to grin about |
| 10:56.52 | jelly | I suspect chegibari IS a developer. |
| 10:57.02 | abrotman | doesn't make him a good admin :) |
| 10:57.22 | jelly | the world doesn't need everyone to be a good admin |
| 10:57.23 | chegibari | abrotman, I took few virtual machine snapshots in the process |
| 10:57.31 | jelly | abrotman: I like to get paid. |
| 10:57.41 | abrotman | jelly: would you like to get paid for this? :) |
| 10:57.44 | jelly | yes |
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| 10:57.57 | jelly | it's not gonna happen tho is it |
| 10:58.21 | chegibari | no, I'm not good with system details, versions, packages, etc.... plus I didn't use linux in 5 years or so |
| 10:58.25 | abrotman | chegibari: it would be better to learn how to walk before you try to run ... |
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| 10:58.59 | abrotman | judd: versions agda-bin |
| 10:59.01 | judd | Package agda-bin on i386 -- sid: 2.2.6-1+b1; squeeze: 2.2.6-1+b1; wheezy: 2.2.6-1+b1; experimental: 2.2.8-1 |
| 10:59.15 | abrotman | especially since stable and unstable have the versions ... |
| 10:59.55 | chegibari | abrotman, you are right but don't be to harsh on me. When you study programming languages you have to "visit" many different environments, system, etc. I can't be an expert in everything |
| 11:00.01 | chegibari | too |
| 11:00.26 | abrotman | chegibari: Next time you are trying to figure out which version of Debian to install,perhaps ask #debian instead of #haskell .. just sayin' .. |
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| 11:00.45 | chegibari | ok |
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| 11:02.20 | jelly | abrotman: he doesn't need debian, he needs a system to develop his code on. |
| 11:02.31 | jaundice | hi guys. we are having problems having network on domU guests on Xen. the set up we have is : http://pastebin.com/vBh8ZgN4 - anything strange you see there or maybe we can look at please? This is really mind twitching :\ thanks |
| 11:02.39 | jelly | for all I know sid might really be a good choice |
| 11:03.38 | abrotman | jelly: in your general experience .. will it be? |
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| 11:04.08 | jelly | abrotman: I have no fucking clue |
| 11:04.14 | abrotman | general experience! |
| 11:04.27 | jelly | I have no general or any experience w/ haskell |
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| 11:04.52 | abrotman | you have a general experience with sid ? gneeral experience with development? |
| 11:05.26 | jelly | Yes. We give our developers what the need, and remind them that shit has to work on Debian release-1 |
| 11:05.36 | jelly | s/the/they/ |
| 11:05.49 | abrotman | -1 or +1 ? |
| 11:05.52 | jelly | -1 |
| 11:05.58 | abrotman | on lenny? |
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| 11:06.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | ie oldstable? |
| 11:06.02 | jelly | yes |
| 11:06.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: wb |
| 11:06.06 | dpkg | thanks, kamping_kaiser. It's good to be back. |
| 11:06.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 11:06.18 | jelly | abrotman: what, you think we upgraded production to squeeze? :-) |
| 11:06.24 | jelly | fat chance |
| 11:06.44 | abrotman | jelly: day it came out of course! .. testing is for scientists! |
| 11:06.45 | jelly | I think we don't have any sarge systems any more. |
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| 11:08.15 | chegibari | abrotman, a guy in debian-haskell (yes, there is a specific channel! :) ) told be that it's because there is a major platform change from haskel 6 to haskel 7 and everything haskell-related in debian unstable may be a little messed up |
| 11:08.53 | chegibari | *me* |
| 11:09.35 | abrotman | chegibari: mm .. unstable is a bad choice huh? |
| 11:10.52 | jelly | chegibari: personally I'd have set up a chroot environment with sid if I needed it, and not mess up the OS |
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| 11:13.02 | chegibari | abrotman, what I meant is: probably it's not a bad choice in general but only in this transition time for the haskel platform. This new release is very different from the previous one |
| 11:13.09 | chegibari | anyway, thanks for the help |
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| 11:18.53 | chegibari | jelly: I use virtual machine snapshots for the same purpose |
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| 11:28.35 | Gump | well, #debian. i managed to eff up the installation. I installed the net install version, and then couldnt get my network set up, so i figured i'd download packages later. the install finished, so i booted it up and instead of loading gnome, it went to command line |
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| 11:29.05 | Gump | should i start over, and use the full, huge version, or should i try and salvage this? |
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| 11:29.59 | Gump | yo, anyone alive? |
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| 11:32.03 | Gump | anyone home? |
| 11:32.37 | dawud | Gump: yep |
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| 11:33.21 | Gump | dawud, so i effed up the net install. i didnt set up a network, so it just installed the minimal stuff. i booted up and gnome won't load (i did tell it to install gnome) |
| 11:33.43 | Gump | whats the next step? start the install over? i have a command line sort of like recovery mode |
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| 11:34.31 | dawud | Gump: you may told it so, but since there was no network, nothing got installed. I'd start by getting networking up and running. (sort of?) |
| 11:35.14 | Gump | so, can i set the network up through the terminal or would that be a huge pain in the ass? would it be better to just wipe the partition and start over from scratch?\ |
| 11:35.47 | dawud | Gump: everything can be done from the command line. |
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| 11:36.16 | dawud | Gump: are you familiar with command-line editors? |
| 11:36.21 | Gump | i know that. but if nothing is installed, then that means i'll have to install the drivers, then find the network, then configre it etc |
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| 11:36.44 | dawud | Gump: exactly, and that's fun |
| 11:37.00 | Gump | haha our definitions of fun differ :D |
| 11:37.01 | dawud | Gump: and you may learn stuff in the process |
| 11:37.26 | dawud | Gump: shouldn't be too difficult, unless you have some weird hw |
| 11:37.27 | Gump | meh. good point. i'll give it a shot. once i get it connected, how do i tell it to continue installing packages? |
| 11:37.55 | Gump | i mean, in the install menu, my guess is it would show a huge list of packages to choose from. i don't have that luxery now |
| 11:38.14 | Gump | how do i know what needs to be installed and what doesn't? is there a list somewhere I can look up? |
| 11:38.16 | dawud | Gump: let's go step by step. can you edit files from command-line? (are you comfortable doing so?) |
| 11:38.35 | Gump | yes. i used ubuntu for about a year, i'm fairly confident with the command line |
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| 11:39.20 | dawud | Gump: ok, then. I assume you know the correct setting for your network. Go edit /etc/network/interfaces and configure your eth |
| 11:40.26 | Gump | alright gimme a minute |
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| 11:54.15 | Gump | dawud you there? |
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| 11:55.53 | Gump | dhclient wlan0 returned iwlwifi-4965-2.ecode firmware file req failed: -2, and then a bunch of numbers. that firmware is the firmware for my wireless card, which i manually installed during the setup process. is it saying the firmware is not being found, or it is not working with the hardware? |
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| 12:00.26 | dawud | Gump: no wired connection available? |
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| 12:01.22 | Gump | i guess i could disconnect the router and plug the cable directly into my computer. ive never done that before though, so i'm not sure how to proceed |
| 12:01.35 | Gump | i literally haven't used a wired connection since 1995 :S |
| 12:02.13 | dawud | Gump: I ask you to do that because you need firmware-iwlwifi from the non-free repos |
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| 12:02.30 | dawud | Gump: in oreder to have a working wireless connection |
| 12:02.31 | Gump | yes. i already downloaded it and put it on a flash drive |
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| 12:04.22 | dawud | Gump: ok, I don't see that pkg depending ion other stuff, so I guess you can plug in the flash drive and install (already did so?) |
| 12:04.42 | Gump | yes, already done. did it during the initial setup |
| 12:05.06 | Gump | the wireless card is working. it is detecting the network when i run iwconfig |
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| 12:06.07 | Gump | i think i'm gonna try and set it up for a wired connection. will i need any firmware or just plug in and go from iwconfig? |
| 12:06.17 | dawud | Gump: your network is setup for DHCP? |
| 12:06.21 | Gump | yes |
| 12:06.26 | dawud | Gump: ok |
| 12:06.54 | dawud | Gump: please run 'lspci | grep -i eth' |
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| 12:08.56 | Gump | returns "02:00.0 ethernet controller: realtek semiconductor co." etc |
| 12:09.36 | Gump | then it looks like an address, and PCI express fast ethernet controller (rev01) |
| 12:10.32 | dawud | Gump: please paste the whole line |
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| 12:10.50 | Gump | oh lawd. gotta type it all out, hang on |
| 12:11.12 | dawud | Gump: just recover the last command with <cursor up> |
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| 12:11.45 | Gump | i'm stuck in command line man. i'm using xchat on a different comp |
| 12:12.24 | Gump | "02:00.0 ethernet controller: realtek semiconductor co., ltd. rtl8101e/rtl8102e pci express fast ethernet controller (rev 01)" |
| 12:12.27 | Gump | that's the whole line |
| 12:12.32 | dawud | Gump: thanks |
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| 12:15.03 | dawud | Gump: let's see if we're lucky here. try to plug in a rj-45 form your router to the computer and write a stanza for eth0 in your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:15.34 | Gump | roger, will do |
| 12:15.35 | dawud | Gump: then 'ifup eth0' |
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| 12:22.31 | Gump | dawud, how can i edit /etc/network/interfaces without gedit D: i've never had to do something without gnome before |
| 12:23.39 | dawud | Gump: you use acommand-line editor. type vi --version |
| 12:23.58 | petemc | Gump: nano is a bit friendlier if you havent use vi before |
| 12:24.56 | dawud | petemc: can you believe I'm totally lost in nano? |
| 12:25.51 | nevyn | petemc: vi is friendly to me.. |
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| 12:26.14 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 12:26.36 | rose24 | question about TOMCAT: if I change the /opt/tomcat/conf/Catalina/hostname/app.xml ... is this change not applied until I restart tomcat? |
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| 12:27.50 | dawud | Gump: anyways, you need a command-line editor. Possibly nano is easier :). just call 'nano /etc/network/interfaces' |
| 12:28.37 | Gump | dawud, i configured the interfaces file like so: vloopback and then "auto eth0 |
| 12:28.39 | Gump | iface eth0 inet dhcp". i then ran "ifup eth0" and it found all the dhcp settings. but then it returned "chown: failed to get attributes of '/etc/resolv.conf': no such file or directory |
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| 12:29.28 | project2501a | boudiccas: i do not want to learn rhel. |
| 12:29.36 | project2501a | and there is no "learning rhel" |
| 12:30.03 | project2501a | any sysadmin worth his bread can figure out how to work another unix os in less than 2-3 hours |
| 12:30.07 | dawud | Gump: run 'echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 >> /etc/resolv.conf' (as root) |
| 12:30.14 | project2501a | um |
| 12:31.05 | Gump | permission denied??? |
| 12:31.14 | Gump | how dare it deny my sudo. what now? |
| 12:31.18 | dawud | Gump: use your dns settings instead of 8.8.8.8 if you want. 8.8.8.8 is google's dns |
| 12:31.24 | dawud | Gump: su to root |
| 12:31.55 | Gump | su returned permission denied as well |
| 12:31.59 | dawud | Gump: we'll be doing stuff as root until everything is more or less config-ed |
| 12:32.33 | dawud | Gump: ok. ctrl+alt+f2 should take you to another tty. try that |
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| 12:33.20 | dawud | Gump: you'll see a 'hostname login:' screen |
| 12:33.26 | dawud | Gump: login as root |
| 12:33.37 | Gump | right. done. now run echo nameserver? |
| 12:33.57 | dawud | Gump: run 'ls -lrt /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 12:34.22 | dawud | Gump: if it's not there, then yes, run the 'echo ... ' command above |
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| 12:34.47 | Gump | it's there |
| 12:34.54 | dawud | Gump: cat it |
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| 12:35.35 | dawud | Gump: meaning 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 12:35.58 | Gump | it returns "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 may 19 02:29 /etc/resolv.conf" |
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| 12:36.03 | Gump | oh |
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| 12:36.21 | dawud | Gump: that's the output from the cat command? |
| 12:36.40 | Gump | returns "nameserver 10.0.0.1" |
| 12:36.40 | Gump | no, this is ^ |
| 12:36.44 | dawud | Gump: ok, is that your dns? |
| 12:37.52 | dawud | Gump: 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 && ping google.com' |
| 12:38.06 | dawud | Gump: see if it resolvs the name into an IP |
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| 12:39.01 | dawud | resolves* |
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| 12:39.32 | Gump | -bash ifuo: command not found |
| 12:39.49 | Gump | *ifup |
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| 12:40.04 | elfranne | is there a place where i can download lenny ? apparently it is not on the ftp, or i looked on a wrong place |
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| 12:40.22 | dawud | Gump: sorry, gotta leave, back in 20-30 minutes |
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| 12:40.36 | Gump | alright cool. you've been a lot of help so far, ty man |
| 12:40.41 | orflon | hello, is there a way to understand if a cable was connected to one of my ethernet ports? |
| 12:40.58 | Gump | security cameras? |
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| 12:41.15 | elfranne | get on the back of the Pc ? |
| 12:41.53 | CarlFK | orflon: not really, but you can check for a link, so if the other end is plugged into something that is on, then maybe. ;) |
| 12:42.26 | Gump | awww dude, hell yes. my computer is connected to the internet. first thing that's gone right so far this morning |
| 12:42.32 | orflon | The problem is that I want to verify 1) if the system has 2 ethernet ports, I checked `lspci` and it gives 2 "Ethernet" entries. 2) the problem is that it's a robot with 2 pc's on it, I have an ethernet port here, but I don't know where it belongs. |
| 12:42.56 | CarlFK | kill the robot! |
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| 12:43.21 | orflon | ok apart from that, is there anyway to check if the cable I plugged in goes to my linux system? |
| 12:43.29 | orflon | any way* |
| 12:43.29 | elfranne | put a cable in it and see the TX/RX packets values ? |
| 12:43.53 | elfranne | in ifconfig |
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| 12:43.57 | stew | orflon: check dmesg when you plug in a cable and see if you get any notification |
| 12:44.00 | Gump | ok. next step. i installed from a net install .iso file, without a network connection. i booted it up and it went to a command line. i am now connected to the internet. how do i proceed with getting gnome installed, etc? |
| 12:44.13 | orflon | it doesn't raise any network device or something, I expected to work without doing anything. So I have no indications. |
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| 12:44.43 | stew | orflon: or use ethtool to see if you can see that one of the MACs negotiated a 10/100/1000/mb connection |
| 12:45.02 | orflon | stew, let me try that. Brb. |
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| 12:45.16 | elfranne | i don t think there is gnome or any graphical interface on the netinstall cd |
| 12:45.46 | Gump | yes elfranne. that's why i've got it connected to the internet now. |
| 12:45.55 | Gump | so can i just do sudo apt-get install gnome? lol |
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| 12:46.12 | CarlFK | Gump: can you reboot the net install? |
| 12:46.35 | Gump | you mean start the install over? |
| 12:46.47 | Bushmills | Gump: try executing tasksel |
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| 12:47.29 | Gump | Bushmills, nice. should o choose SSH server or manual package selection? |
| 12:47.42 | Bushmills | whatever rocks your boart |
| 12:47.44 | Bushmills | boat |
| 12:47.49 | Gump | sweet. thanks |
| 12:48.06 | Gump | i;m guessing SSH is some kind of preconfigured list of packages, right? |
| 12:48.15 | Bushmills | all selections are |
| 12:48.23 | elfranne | is there a place where i can download lenny ? apparently it is not on the ftp, or i looked on a wrong place |
| 12:48.42 | Akuw | there is a limit to create a zip file ? |
| 12:49.05 | Akuw | i try to create one of 5GB i got a message telling size so big |
| 12:49.23 | CarlFK | Thats what she said! |
| 12:49.57 | elfranne | fat32 has a limit of 4GB / file |
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| 12:50.07 | elfranne | that may be the reason |
| 12:50.09 | Gump | zip that thing up akuw. its too big |
| 12:50.52 | Akuw | ?? |
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| 12:52.31 | elfranne | Akuw : read http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/zip.1.html |
| 12:52.44 | elfranne | there some info about big files ziping |
| 12:53.01 | orflon | stew, I have the following Linux_ethernet1 (eth1)->Switch (No internet) <-Windows, Linux_ethernet2 (don't know) -> another switch connected to the Internet, Linux_wireless(wlan0)->Wireless network. If I just plug in the cable to Linux_ethernet2, shouldn't I get somehow Internet? |
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| 12:54.00 | dawud | Gump: back here, if I may be of any help yet |
| 12:54.24 | CarlFK | elfranne: http://ftp.ua.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian5.0.8/ |
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| 12:55.26 | Gump | dawud, thanks. so i am connected to the internet now, and in tasksel. i'm trying to install all the missing packages, how should i proceed? there are 44 packages that are "not installed" but none of them are kde or gnome or any graphical interface |
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| 12:56.15 | latepre | i have installed the latest ffmpeg on wheezy but get 'Unknown encoder 'libx264' when trying to encode with ffmpeg? |
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| 12:57.25 | dawud | Gump: one of them is 'graphical desktop environment' |
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| 12:58.16 | nonym | hie all |
| 12:58.22 | nonym | i need some help about cpio |
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| 12:58.41 | Gump | i told it to update, and it started downloading a full list, but then it returned "please insert the disk labeled debian gnu/linux 6.0.1a _squeeze_ into the drive /media/cdrom". wut. |
| 12:58.49 | nonym | i'm trying to copy my filesystem / to a new partition |
| 12:59.06 | nonym | find / -xdev | cpio -apmvd /mnt |
| 12:59.15 | dawud | Gump: ok, we need to take a look into your sources.list |
| 12:59.28 | nonym | but i got cpio: /mnt not created: newer or same age version exists |
| 12:59.32 | nonym | and nothing is copied |
| 12:59.35 | nonym | any idea? |
| 12:59.59 | dawud | Gump:ll /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:01.10 | Gump | ha, that was it dawud. the only source was the cd, and it had automatically #commented the internet sources for some reason |
| 13:01.21 | Gump | so just get rid of the # before them and try again? |
| 13:01.48 | dawud | Gump: now that you have access to the internet, let that cd line commented and add lines for online repos |
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| 13:02.15 | nonym | any body got an idea to my problem |
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| 13:02.27 | nonym | ? |
| 13:02.28 | Bushmills | orflon: is Linux_ethernet2 a port on a switch towards internet, or an ethernet interface on a machine, connected to a switch towards internet? |
| 13:02.32 | Akuw | i am using tar.bz2 |
| 13:02.50 | Guthur | I'm trying to get debian vbox guest OS working with dual screens |
| 13:03.05 | dawud | Gump: for example, 'deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib' but you need a repo near you |
| 13:03.08 | Guthur | vbox gives me two screens but debian only detects one monitor |
| 13:03.28 | Gump | oh god. 158 not installed, 333 new... install them all or sort through them all?? D: |
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| 13:04.10 | Bushmills | 158 not installed is peanuts :) |
| 13:04.17 | dawud | Gump: go on |
| 13:04.30 | Bushmills | wait till you see 25000 or more |
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| 13:05.14 | dawud | Gump: remember to run 'apt-get update' |
| 13:05.17 | nonym | please |
| 13:05.26 | nonym | somebody can help? |
| 13:06.18 | Bushmills | nonym: why not cp -a? or rsync? |
| 13:07.04 | nonym | Bushmills: because i was following a tutorial that uses cpio |
| 13:07.15 | nonym | can i use rsync -a...a simple copy? |
| 13:07.47 | orflon | Bushmills: Linux_ethernet2 is an interface on a machine, conntected to a switch which connects to the internet. |
| 13:07.54 | Bushmills | even simpler a copy is cp -a. you probably also want -x, seems you're intending to exclude /dev |
| 13:08.17 | orflon | Bushmills: how can I 'tell' to eth2 to bind to that specific ethernet port? |
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| 13:08.34 | Bushmills | orflon: "somehow" you can have internet, yes. but that linux machine needs to be set up accordingly |
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| 13:09.12 | Bushmills | either by routing and enabling ip_forward'ing, or by setting up NAT on that machine |
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| 13:09.39 | orflon | when I plug in the cable shouldn't that raise a network interface? |
| 13:09.50 | Bushmills | not necessarily |
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| 13:10.14 | Bushmills | network interface needs to be configured. often, dhcp does that. |
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| 13:10.55 | Bushmills | but if there's no dhcpd listening on the interface you connect to, there's no automatic configuration |
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| 13:11.43 | orflon | so, the main problem is that I have 2 ethernet ports? |
| 13:12.04 | Bushmills | no. the main problem is that you seem to know very little about networking |
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| 13:12.59 | orflon | yes ok, apart from that, I just want to know if some things are feasible. |
| 13:13.08 | Bushmills | feasible it is |
| 13:13.17 | CarlFK | can I apt-get a kernel? |
| 13:13.26 | Bushmills | CarlFK: yes |
| 13:13.37 | CarlFK | what's the package name? |
| 13:13.54 | brammator | linux-image* |
| 13:13.55 | CarlFK | whatever is current in sid |
| 13:14.10 | Bushmills | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 13:14.12 | themill | dpkg: tell CarlFK about search |
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| 13:15.13 | orflon | Bushmills: how does eth1 gets configured? Can't I do the same with eth2? |
| 13:15.14 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 13:15.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 13:15.35 | orflon | Bushmills: I mean, what's the difference, that's what I don't understand. |
| 13:15.38 | CarlFK | brammator: thanks. |
| 13:15.51 | Bushmills | orflon: how your eth1 gets configured, your system admin can tell better than i can. |
| 13:16.20 | orflon | There is no admin, it's connected to a switch where only 2 computers are connected on. |
| 13:16.40 | Bushmills | then the person who has set up your computer |
| 13:16.41 | CarlFK | orflon: what is the IP of a box connected to the switch? |
| 13:17.05 | orflon | CarlFK: 192.168.1.4 |
| 13:17.20 | orflon | Bushmills: I did, I used /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:17.30 | CarlFK | orflon: do you know if anything is using 192.168.1.123 ? |
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| 13:17.42 | orflon | CarlFK: no there is nothing there. |
| 13:17.49 | CarlFK | on the robot: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.123 |
| 13:18.01 | orflon | ok then what? |
| 13:18.09 | CarlFK | from 192.168.1.4, ping 192.168.1.123 |
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| 13:18.32 | stew | why would one configure the network using ifconfig instead of editing the interfaces file? |
| 13:18.34 | CarlFK | anyone know if that does an ifconfig up? |
| 13:18.46 | CarlFK | stew: fewer steps |
| 13:18.52 | stew | CarlFK: really? |
| 13:18.58 | orflon | CarlFK: it does the ping. |
| 13:19.08 | CarlFK | stew: yes |
| 13:19.10 | CarlFK | :) |
| 13:19.18 | stew | CarlFK: so instead of editing the file and running ifup, you want him to run "ifconfig" "route" every time he boots the machine? |
| 13:19.32 | CarlFK | stew: no. |
| 13:19.57 | stew | orflon: are you hoping for this ethernet to work everytime the machine boots? or just this once? |
| 13:20.00 | CarlFK | stew: notice the current success, no route, no booting. one step, done. |
| 13:20.30 | stew | orflon: and did you want it to talk to the internet? or just 192.168.1.*? |
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| 13:20.39 | orflon | stew, to the Internet. |
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| 13:21.33 | CarlFK | orflon: is there a dhcp server on your lan? |
| 13:21.44 | stew | orflon: is there a dhcp server on the network? are you sure that 192.168.1.123 isn't in the range that the dhcp server would be handing out? |
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| 13:21.49 | CarlFK | heh |
| 13:22.15 | orflon | in the 192.168.1.x there is no dhcp server. |
| 13:22.23 | CarlFK | I'll let stew take over. as if I have a choice :) |
| 13:22.38 | stew | CarlFK: you realize he's going to have to do this again each time he reboots, right? |
| 13:23.00 | CarlFK | he is going to have to connect to IRC and get help? |
| 13:23.11 | stew | ... |
| 13:23.12 | CarlFK | cuz that is what he is doing now |
| 13:23.16 | daedaluz | anyone with Thinkpad T60 with squeeze? How's it working? |
| 13:23.27 | stew | daedaluz: its the best debian yet |
| 13:23.30 | orflon | stew: the one cable is connected to a switch with IPs 192.168.1.x and the other one is supposed to be connected to a switch with IPs 192.168.2.x |
| 13:23.32 | Bushmills | he said he edited interfaces on the other machine |
| 13:23.42 | Bushmills | so he should be able to edit interfaces again |
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| 13:24.45 | stew | orflon: you really want to be configuring these in /etc/network/interfaces, not by running ifconfig manually. see /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 13:25.10 | stew | orflon: if you already have an interfaces file, you should be able to "ifup ethX". if that isn't working, show us your interfaces file |
| 13:25.54 | orflon | stew: I did ifup eth2. |
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| 13:27.24 | orflon | stew: I tried to use static IP now and placed that in the interfaces file: iface eth2 init static; address 192.168.2.100; netmask 255.255.255.0; auto eth2 ( I copy pasted from eth1) |
| 13:28.29 | orflon | ...but doesn't work. |
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| 13:29.07 | Bushmills | not "init" but "inet" |
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| 13:29.41 | stew | orflon: tell us what you mean by "doesn't work" |
| 13:29.45 | qubodup | hi |
| 13:29.58 | stew | orflon: if you get an error message, show us |
| 13:30.25 | orflon | stew: I expected when eth2 is up with that configuration to ping either .2.1 or google.com for example, it doesn't. |
| 13:30.39 | orflon | Bushmills: yes, I wrote it wrongly here. |
| 13:31.17 | stew | orflon: show us the output of "ip r" |
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| 13:31.38 | Bushmills | (15:09:12) Bushmills: either by routing and enabling ip_forward'ing, or by setting up NAT on that machine (to have internet on the machine connected to eth2) |
| 13:32.06 | orflon | stew: I don't have the ip command. Can that be done using 'route'? |
| 13:32.14 | Bushmills | (15:18:58) orflon: CarlFK: it does the ping. (to other machine on eth2) |
| 13:32.21 | stew | orflon: sure, "route -n" |
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| 13:33.28 | qubodup | Would debian allow a game in its repositorz that is foss code and that has some cc-by-sa content but also allows and advertises buying additional content in the main menu? |
| 13:33.39 | qubodup | *repository |
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| 13:33.59 | Bushmills | route may possibly not do - depends on whether there's a backroute to the 192.168.2.0 network |
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| 13:34.16 | stew | qubodup: depending on which version of cc-by-sa it is, i don't see why we wouldn't |
| 13:34.30 | qubodup | stew: the good one |
| 13:34.33 | orflon | stew: one sec because I am on a different computer. |
| 13:34.45 | stew | qubodup: which part of DFSG do you think it violates? |
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| 13:36.22 | qubodup | stew: there would be functionality that would only work when logged in with an account or when proprietary data files would have been bought/downloaded. |
| 13:36.24 | stew | qubodup: (by "the good one" I'm assuming you mean 3.0, which we consider dfsg compliant) |
| 13:36.33 | qubodup | stew: yes, and the non-nc one |
| 13:36.39 | qubodup | reads dfsg |
| 13:36.45 | orflon | stew: http://pastebin.com/pRQeKY2g |
| 13:36.48 | Bushmills | "crippleware"? |
| 13:37.08 | stew | qubodup: we have lots of such software in debiana |
| 13:37.21 | stew | qubodup: if you think that you would prefer a version without this stuff, you should be free to remove it |
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| 13:38.43 | qubodup | Bushmills: well no, the menu for selecting story mode could not work without non-free data or would not make sense unless replaced |
| 13:39.01 | qubodup | but from what I read DFSG, no problem. |
| 13:39.21 | Bushmills | qubodup: more like a sort of ... plugin .. which needs to be downloaded, extending the base program's code? |
| 13:39.32 | qubodup | Bushmills: not code, but content |
| 13:40.07 | stew | orflon: so you don't get any errors, its just that when you try to ping 192.168.2.1 you dont get a reply? |
| 13:40.22 | Bushmills | thus, a kind of free viewer for some free and some proprietary data? |
| 13:40.31 | stew | (note that debian doesn't differentiate between code and contents, its all software to us) |
| 13:40.44 | orflon | stew: I don't with eth2. (the wireless network can see the 192.168.2.x so I get a reply from there [192.168.5.x] ) |
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| 13:41.32 | orflon | stew: so , when I do `ifconfig wlan0 down` and try to ping, then I get no reply. |
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| 13:42.23 | stew | that's odd, since 192.168.2.x is not in wlan0's network, and you have an explicit route to it over eth2 |
| 13:42.40 | stew | doesn't seem like what you are saying should be possible |
| 13:43.00 | qubodup | Bushmills: a viewer with advertising and functionality to DL proprietary data built-in |
| 13:43.04 | stew | regardless of what is going on with wlan0, a packet for 192.168.2.x would always go to eth2 |
| 13:43.48 | Bushmills | qubodup: as the code is free for modification, hardcoded ads or code loading ads over the net could be legally removed :) |
| 13:43.53 | orflon | stew: a traceroute to 192.168.2.1 gives me .5.1 as the first and only hop. |
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| 13:45.02 | ujjain | Hi, I am looking for an open-source anti-spam/anti-virus gateway server. Any suggestions? |
| 13:45.07 | orflon | stew: but yes, there is an admin in the whole network so I don't know what has he done with the wireless. I can only see the switch in my room .2.x and the switch on the robot .1.x |
| 13:45.56 | DammitJim | in how much trouble am I for running a VM from a usb drive? |
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| 13:46.15 | nonym | Bushmills: ok thx ;) |
| 13:46.36 | nonym | i would like to populate my /dev in my chroot /mnt/dev |
| 13:46.53 | stew | orflon: according to the output of "route -n" he hasn't done anything with the wireless that would cause the situation you are describing |
| 13:47.01 | nonym | i used /dev/MAKEDEV generic (or std) but nothing is created |
| 13:47.05 | nonym | how can i do? |
| 13:47.07 | Bushmills | nonym: mount --bind |
| 13:47.20 | nonym | just that? |
| 13:47.26 | nonym | in my chroot environemment? |
| 13:47.30 | Bushmills | no. source, destination |
| 13:47.31 | stew | orflon: are you SURE this is the right routing table? and that you tried 192.168.2.1 when the routing table was in this state? |
| 13:48.00 | stew | nonym: "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" from outside the chroot so that inside the chroot can see the /dev from the host machine |
| 13:48.24 | Bushmills | nonym: you might also want to mount --bind /proc and maybe /sys |
| 13:48.38 | ujjain | also, what does 192.168.1.120/24 mean? just 1 ip? |
| 13:48.39 | orflon | stew: I just did route -n as you said, and I just pinged 192.168.2.1. The configuration for eth2 in /etc/network/interfaces was added by me a few minutes ago. The same happens even if I remove the cable. |
| 13:49.07 | stew | ujjain: /24 is 256 ips (192.168.1.0 - 192.168.1.255) |
| 13:49.33 | Bushmills | ujjain: look up wikipedia for cidr |
| 13:49.53 | nonym | th guys |
| 13:49.54 | nonym | ;) |
| 13:49.55 | ujjain | documentation gives example of 192.168.1.200/24, and it seems they only mean .200, not the entire range. |
| 13:50.03 | orflon | stew: err wait, for some reason I don't get any response from 192.168.2.1 now. |
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| 13:50.34 | stew | ujjain: it can be interpreted as one ip as part of a subnet which is 256 ips |
| 13:50.56 | ujjain | stew: ah ok, ambigious then. thanks. |
| 13:51.05 | stew | ujjain: not really ambiguous, no |
| 13:51.26 | stew | ujjain: they are using the /24 to mean that it has a netmask of 255.255.255.0 |
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| 13:51.47 | Emery | What is the current kernel in testing ? |
| 13:52.02 | ujjain | stew: ah, that makes sense. |
| 13:52.16 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 13:52.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 13:52.18 | ujjain | Yes, I remember, I have done linux installs where they wanted /24 instead of .255.255.255.0 |
| 13:52.45 | Emery | Thank you stew |
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| 13:53.32 | Emery | Also if i wish to install wheezy can it be done via the netboot cd ? |
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| 13:54.04 | orflon | stew: when eth2 is down I ping to .2.1 through .5.1 (wireless). When it is up, I can't ping, it seems that it's using that interface. |
| 13:54.30 | Bushmills | default route vs no reply on eth2 |
| 13:54.38 | orflon | yes |
| 13:55.40 | stew | orflon: that is more in line with what I expect |
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| 13:56.10 | Bushmills | well, before you can have internet on the machine connected to eth2, you need to be able to ping that machine from the machine with eth2 |
| 13:56.45 | stew | if he wants internet on both wlan0 and eth2, there is a whole lot more stuff to be done |
| 13:57.11 | stew | but for now it seems that its time for him to talk to the network admin about why he doesn't get replies from 192.168.2.1 |
| 13:57.22 | Bushmills | he said nothing about wlan2 originally. just that he wanted to have internet on eth2 - i.e. a machine connected to it |
| 13:57.46 | orflon | if there is an easy workaround to make eth2 work without the wireless I'd do that. |
| 13:58.03 | stew | orflon: do you have a gateway on that network? |
| 13:58.23 | orflon | on the .2.x? |
| 13:58.30 | stew | yes |
| 13:59.00 | orflon | it is a switch, in ##networking they told me that my switch doesn't have an IP address and therefore can't be a gateway. |
| 13:59.13 | Bushmills | orflon: "internet" or just "web browsing"? |
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| 13:59.39 | orflon | Bushmills: what I want from the ethernet connection? |
| 13:59.53 | Bushmills | yes. on the machine connected to eth2 |
| 14:00.10 | orflon | I need to do the installation of packages. |
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| 14:00.25 | Bushmills | web would be ok for that |
| 14:00.54 | orflon | how can I browse the web if I can't access the Internet? |
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| 14:01.12 | Bushmills | you could put a proxy on the machine with eth2 |
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| 14:01.38 | Bushmills | then machine connected to eth2 can use that machine as intermediate into the net |
| 14:02.06 | daemon | Is there any standardized way to detect if a startup script is present and enabled for a daemon across any distribution? |
| 14:02.36 | orflon | now is Switch -> Linux(eth2), how is the structure of what you suggest? |
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| 14:03.49 | Bushmills | just same as before - at least as i understood it. switch <-> (eth1:linuxbox:eth2) <-> machine you try to connect to net |
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| 14:04.16 | orflon | Bushmills: that linuxbox is the machine I want to connect to the net. |
| 14:04.25 | Bushmills | hm |
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| 14:04.34 | Bushmills | then i was wrongtracked all the time |
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| 14:04.46 | orflon | Let me draw the structure and place it in pastebin. Give me a minute. |
| 14:05.25 | Bushmills | but not for me .. i'm about to hit the road now |
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| 14:10.12 | orflon | Bushmills, stew: http://codepad.org/LkYtay16 |
| 14:10.18 | ujjain | I added a 20GB drive, formatted and mounted as /srv. Giving ownership media.media and changing /etc/passwd to /srv should be fine for using it as ftp home directory, right? |
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| 14:11.47 | qubodup | Bushmills: thanks for your thoughts on this :) |
| 14:11.55 | qubodup | stew: you too |
| 14:12.14 | stew | orflon: you need to know the ip address of a router on 192.168.2.x which will masquerade your packets for you |
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| 14:12.58 | orflon | stew: is it possible not to have a router? Because I don't think there is any. |
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| 14:13.44 | orflon | stew: the admin told me before these words exactly: "The .2.x is the ip range of your labs." |
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| 14:13.53 | stew | orflon: no. if you wanted to get onto the internet, you cannot be using a RFC1918 (like 192.168.x.x) address. those addresses aren't allowed on the internet |
| 14:13.59 | jesse_ | What is the difference between IceWeasel and firefox? |
| 14:14.03 | stew | orflon: and there is always SOME router between you and the internet |
| 14:14.05 | stew | jesse_: the name |
| 14:14.11 | stevenrossuk | Hey, is there a list that contains all packages in the debian repo that require a reboot after upgrade? |
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| 14:14.31 | stew | stevenrossuk: linux-image-* |
| 14:14.56 | jesse_ | stew that is all? :P |
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| 14:14.57 | orflon | ok stew i'm calling the admin now, to ask him for routers between me and the Internet. |
| 14:15.29 | jjholt | orflon could be a long list |
| 14:15.49 | stew | jesse_: the name, and the non-free artword (like the firefox icon) were removed. otherwise there shouldn't not currenlty be any differences besides perhaps security patches |
| 14:16.02 | stew | ^artword^artwork |
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| 14:16.18 | babilen | stevenrossuk: You might be interested in the output of "checkrestart" from the debian-goodies package |
| 14:16.24 | jesse_ | stew, lol than what is the purpose of changing firefox's name and distributing it? |
| 14:16.38 | jjholt | jesse_, licensing issues |
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| 14:16.49 | jesse_ | jjholt, ahh ok |
| 14:16.51 | stew | jesse_: Mozilla has told debian that it may not use firefox's name |
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| 14:17.26 | stew | jesse_: mozilla doesn't want debian to use the firefox mark since we remove the non-free artwork, and because we provide security patches |
| 14:17.31 | ujjain | is it insecure to give a user a disk for a home direcotry? |
| 14:17.55 | stew | ujjain: a disk? what do you mean? |
| 14:17.58 | orflon | stew: the router is 192.168.2.1 |
| 14:18.01 | dkr | !why iceweasel |
| 14:18.01 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
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| 14:18.08 | orflon | stew: that's the one that gives me Internet connection. |
| 14:18.28 | ujjain | stew: a 20gb disk, the user is for an ftp server. |
| 14:18.46 | ujjain | I mounted /pub for user ftpuser. |
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| 14:18.48 | stew | ujjain: i'm assuming you mean a directory on a partition on this disk |
| 14:19.03 | ujjain | I was thinking of changing his home directory to /pub ... |
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| 14:19.13 | stew | ujjain: do it however you like |
| 14:19.25 | stevenrossuk | stew, babilen: I have the linux-image covered and checkrestart doesn't list packages that require a reboot. It lists services that are still using old libs which either a service restart or a full boot would sort. I need to know in advance packages that require a full reboot, not just serivce reloads. |
| 14:19.26 | ujjain | stew: ah k, sorry, just security paranoid |
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| 14:19.51 | stew | stevenrossuk: what would require a reboot besides a new kernel? |
| 14:20.05 | Miesco | How would I get wine 1.3? |
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| 14:20.39 | stew | orflon: add "gateway 192.168.2.1" to the eth2 stanza, then bring it down and back up. its not a good sign that you cannot ping that machine. it makes me guess it will not be working |
| 14:20.52 | antivirtel | hello! I'm looking for a tool, that shows me what are my optical drives can read/write (eg. DVD+RW, DVD DL....) any software related? |
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| 14:21.13 | orflon | stew: the rest configuration for eth2 are ok? |
| 14:21.18 | stew | orflon: note that if you have two default gateways (like the one from wlan0 and the one from eth2). linux is going to always choose the first gateway, so its not a valid test until wlan0 is no longer up |
| 14:21.35 | stew | orflon: i've not seen your configuration for eth2 yet |
| 14:21.36 | stevenrossuk | stew: d-bus when update usually requires a reboot because restarting it fails after an upgrade. |
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| 14:21.52 | frostschutz | antivirtel: cdrecord -prcap |
| 14:21.56 | jesse_ | I'm trying to install flash-plugin for IceWeasel, i try 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' it says it can't find the packaeg |
| 14:22.02 | jesse_ | but i know for sure it IS the right package name |
| 14:22.06 | stew | stevenrossuk: i've not seen that. is there a bug filed about this? |
| 14:22.30 | orflon | stew: I tried to use static IP now and placed that in the interfaces file: iface eth2 init static; address 192.168.2.100; netmask 255.255.255.0; auto eth2 ( I copy pasted from eth1) |
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| 14:23.08 | stew | orflon: that should be "inet static". |
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| 14:23.14 | orflon | yes "inet" sorry |
| 14:23.27 | orflon | so I append 'gateway 192.168.2.1'? |
| 14:23.36 | ujjain | What is the location of the gcc program on your machine? < /usr/bin/gcc is not accepted by VMWare tools installer, while GCC is installed. |
| 14:23.40 | orflon | I commented out the lines for wlan0. |
| 14:24.24 | stew | ujjain: /usr/bin/gcc is correct. you'd want to have the build-essentials package installed |
| 14:24.35 | stew | orflon: yes |
| 14:24.56 | antivirtel | hmm frostschutz right, but cdrecord is repaced by wodim :) works; thanks |
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| 14:25.13 | sephii | jesse_: Did you enable non-free repos ? |
| 14:25.28 | stew | sephii: (hint: it's not in the non-free repos) |
| 14:25.51 | ujjain | The path "/usr/bin/gcc-4.4" is not valid path to the gcc binary. |
| 14:25.57 | jesse_ | sephii i downloaded it from the internet and installed the .deb package from that way |
| 14:25.58 | jelly | if it's not in main, and it's not in non-free, where could it be?!?!? |
| 14:26.03 | jesse_ | but how do i enable non-free |
| 14:26.07 | stew | ujjain: that is in the gcc-4.4 package |
| 14:26.31 | ujjain | /usr/bin/gcc-4.4: gcc-4.4: no input files |
| 14:26.33 | ujjain | it´s installed. |
| 14:26.47 | stew | ujjain: is build-essential installed? |
| 14:27.01 | ujjain | Yes, but I found it. |
| 14:27.05 | ujjain | It needs linux-headers package |
| 14:27.11 | ujjain | http://superuser.com/questions/192047/install-vmware-tools-from-vmware-workstation-7-1-1-build-282343-on-debian-squeeze |
| 14:27.20 | stew | ujjain: sounds like vmware is broken |
| 14:27.33 | sephii | stew: Ok so it should be renamed to flashplugin-contrib :p |
| 14:27.47 | ujjain | stew: Naaah, just not a good dependency check |
| 14:28.10 | jesse_ | hehe |
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| 14:28.22 | sephii | jesse_: Edit you /etc/apt/sources.list file, add contrib at the end of you main repo |
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| 14:29.39 | nonym | Bushmills: ok thx |
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| 14:30.11 | nonym | but after the reboot (it reboots !!!!) |
| 14:30.18 | nonym | my /usr and /var does not mount |
| 14:30.21 | nonym | neither swap |
| 14:30.31 | orflon | stew: how do I know that the cable is bound to eth2? |
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| 14:30.35 | nonym | but /, /boot and /tmp mount correctly and i can login |
| 14:30.44 | nonym | and mount /usr and /var manually |
| 14:30.52 | nonym | but my fstab is fine !!! |
| 14:30.59 | nonym | where can be the error? |
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| 14:32.04 | woodyjlw | what command in terminal shows me a list of my hardware/chipset |
| 14:32.10 | nonym | Bushmills: any idea why /usr and /var does not mount after reboot? but can mount it manually |
| 14:32.22 | stew | 08:43 < stew> orflon: check dmesg when you plug in a cable and see if you get any notification 08:44 < stew> orflon: or use ethtool to see if you can see that one of the MACs negotiated a 10/100/1000/mb connection |
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| 14:32.41 | stew | orflon: when you unplug and replug a cable, you might see a difference in one of the above ^^^ |
| 14:33.17 | orflon | stew: I checked, dmesg gives me nothing. For ethtool , I installed but didn't figure out how can I do what you said. |
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| 14:33.36 | jesse_ | sepphi thanks :D |
| 14:33.47 | stew | nonym: is there a link from somewhere in /etc/rcS.d to /etc/init.d/mountall.sh ? |
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| 14:39.16 | woodyjlw | would my ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 run better with 32 bit version of debian ? its not coming back from suspend correctly and whole system just dose not seem very stable. i am using K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] |
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| 14:40.56 | wols | woodyjlw: it more depends on the driver you use for your radeon |
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| 14:42.46 | woodyjlw | wols, im on a fresh install of debian amd64 so it should be the open source driver right? |
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| 14:44.13 | jelly | which tool should I use to efficiently extract headers only from a 20GB mbox folder? |
| 14:44.23 | orflon | stew: ethtool also doesn't show me any difference after unplugging. The output in both cases is that: (i have pasted eth1 output for comparison too) http://pastebin.com/HdVbDjcj [Link detected: no for eth2] |
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| 14:44.51 | orflon | it seems that the machine doesn't recognise the cable. |
| 14:45.08 | stew | orflon: that show's eth2 as not being connected |
| 14:45.14 | stew | shows* |
| 14:45.29 | orflon | yes :/ |
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| 14:48.02 | orflon | stew: the lines 10-11 don't imply that the machine has 2 Ethernet ports? http://pastebin.com/79ZPHGMx |
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| 14:48.51 | stew | orflon: ethtool shows clearly that there are two ethernet adapters |
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| 14:49.19 | stew | and yes, this shows two different ethernet cards |
| 14:50.00 | orflon | so the problem is how do we say to 'eth2' to bind with the cable? |
| 14:51.02 | stew | orflon: yes, the problem is that its not negotiating a link with whatever is on the other end of that cable (a switch?). it could be the ethernet adapter, it could be the cable, it could be the switch port, it could be the switch |
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| 14:51.02 | stew | orflon: i'd try a different cable first |
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| 14:53.10 | orflon | ok i'll find one, gimme 3 minutes. |
| 14:53.21 | stew | take all the time you want |
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| 15:02.19 | orflon | stew: nothing changed, but I read that I should use Full Duplex in ethtool if it's connected to a switch, like the eth1 configuration. The problem is that the parameters don't change with ethtool -s. |
| 15:02.26 | jsumners | I cannot get Apache 2 to parse PHP scripts in users's public HTML directories. My current php5.conf is http://pastebin.com/taEBGauf . The user directory doesn't contain any .htaccess files, and I can't find any other apache configuration in /etc/apache2 that would disable the engine for user directories. It is working just fine in the system web root. I have restarted Apache several times. What could I be missing? |
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| 15:03.33 | project2501b | Jsummers: have you installed libapache2-php5 ? |
| 15:03.45 | project2501b | (i think that is what the name is ) |
| 15:04.59 | jsumners | project2501b, yes. PHP works just fine in the system web root. so PHP is installed for Apache |
| 15:05.10 | jsumners | and i just re-installed it to be sure |
| 15:05.34 | project2501b | well if you used apt-get you do not need to re-install it. |
| 15:05.43 | project2501b | let me take a look at your conf |
| 15:06.05 | jsumners | project2501b, something other than the one already linked? |
| 15:06.07 | project2501b | urgh |
| 15:06.11 | project2501b | urgh |
| 15:06.27 | project2501b | jsumners: usually, you do not have to touch the modules conf |
| 15:06.47 | project2501b | it's more of an issue of allowing +exebin on public_html |
| 15:07.15 | jsumners | project2501b, squeeze evidently added the "php_admin_value engine Off" to php5.conf |
| 15:07.16 | project2501b | jsumners: also the comments say it clear |
| 15:07.38 | project2501b | you want to php_admin_value engine on for /home/*/public_html |
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| 15:07.54 | jsumners | i know they say it clear. as i said, i did all of that and then explicitly enabled it for a specific user as a last ditch effort. i have no idea why it refuses to work |
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| 15:09.07 | jsumners | i just enabled the php engine for _all_ user directories, restarted apache, and i am still being offered a download of the script instead of it being parsed and executed |
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| 15:10.01 | stew | orflon: you shoudln't have to change anything in ethtool. it will autonegotiate full duplex |
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| 15:10.22 | karlpinc | jsumners: There answer is usually in the logs, sometimes after turning up verbosity. |
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| 15:10.32 | orflon | stew: you mean that it would do that by itself? |
| 15:10.40 | stew | yes |
| 15:10.58 | jsumners | karlpinc, i turned verbosity up to debug and only got information on the ssl cert being loaded :( |
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| 15:11.18 | orflon | stew: I read somewhere that if I had that problem , I should change the parameters. `ethtool eth2` gives half duplex. |
| 15:11.23 | jsumners | aside from the "get request" line |
| 15:11.54 | Torgal | Hello, I'm creating a program using network and select() with one socket, I don't understend one behaviour : select return 1 and read return 0 WTF ? |
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| 15:13.00 | orflon | stew: I don't know, if I try a change to eth1 it takes some time, on eth2 it responds immediately as if it doesn't do anything. |
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| 15:14.04 | kombi | on a cli-only box, do I need anything x11 at all? |
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| 15:14.22 | xk | kombi: just avoid installing packages that are compiled against x11 libs. |
| 15:14.29 | xk | kombi: eg: install mtr-tiny instead of mtr. |
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| 15:15.10 | xk | there will be certain packages that will depend on x11... but hopefully not kde and gtk. |
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| 15:15.13 | kombi | xk: maybe it is still on there because of fancy ffmpeg and such |
| 15:16.11 | kombi | xk: I'll get rid of all x11 then, box has no gui |
| 15:16.24 | kombi | xk: thanks! |
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| 15:18.20 | rhenani | Hello |
| 15:18.26 | rhenani | Where can i find |
| 15:18.39 | rhenani | the configurations of my monitor on debian |
| 15:18.40 | rhenani | for example |
| 15:18.49 | xk | !enter |
| 15:18.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:18.56 | rhenani | i want my computer get in frezee when after 30 min |
| 15:19.00 | rhenani | if don't use it |
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| 15:20.11 | rhenani | I want my computer if I don't use it after 30 Min get in frezee so that way it doesn't consume to much batery |
| 15:20.13 | orflon | stew: can you please check that link? http://paparadit.blogspot.com/2007/03/ethtool-how-to-know-your-lan-card.html |
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| 15:20.34 | wols | rhenani: define "configurations of my monitor" |
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| 15:20.53 | rhenani | wols: That's right! |
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| 15:21.04 | rhenani | wols: where ?? =) |
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| 15:21.30 | jsumners | wols, sounds like he wants energy saving settings. but he has given no indication of what environment he is using |
| 15:21.57 | rhenani | jsumners: Debian 64 Bits 6.0.1 |
| 15:22.07 | rhenani | jsumners: squeze stable.. |
| 15:22.09 | cahoot | gnome then? |
| 15:22.13 | wols | jsumners: he has given no indication at all what he wants. there is no "freeze". a freeze is usually a crash |
| 15:22.34 | wols | and he could mean sleep, hibernation, or simply DPMS monitor off |
| 15:22.37 | babilen | wols: I guess rhenani means that the monitor is turned off |
| 15:22.50 | wols | babilen: there are again several stages to that |
| 15:23.04 | rhenani | wols: Ok ahmm i don't how it's called but there is a light with a moon i don't ow to make my computer after 30min that light turn on so that way my computer doesn't use battery |
| 15:23.15 | rhenani | wols: hIBERNATION!! |
| 15:23.23 | rhenani | wols: Hibernation that's right |
| 15:23.26 | Torgal | Hello, I'm creating a program using network and select() with one socket, I don't understend one behaviour : select return 1 and read return 0 WTF ? |
| 15:23.40 | wols | that half moon rarely is hibernation. that is "sleep" as the moon kinda implies |
| 15:23.55 | rhenani | wols: where can i activate the hibernatio mode?? |
| 15:24.01 | cahoot | unless you're a wolf? |
| 15:24.04 | stew | orflon: what about it? |
| 15:24.05 | wols | hibernation means: save the memory to disk and power off completely. sleep still has the OS in RAM |
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| 15:24.23 | rhenani | wols: That one |
| 15:24.39 | wols | rhenani: my last statement describe TWO things... you're doing it again |
| 15:24.55 | stew | orflon: "eth2 it responds immediately as if it doesn't do anything". yes, becuase its not doing anything, becuase it doesn't think it is connected to anything, so there is nothing to do |
| 15:25.36 | rhenani | wols: Just want to find where are the configuration of the monitor where i can set the time and everything, and that's it |
| 15:25.54 | rhenani | wols: Like in windows when you do right clik and property, same thing but in debian |
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| 15:26.15 | rhenani | wols: where i can see the properties of the desktop on debian |
| 15:26.28 | webad_13 | I am trying to get native resolution (1280x1024) in tty... currently KMS sets it to 1024x768 which is the maximum listed in /sys/class/drm/card0-VGA-1/modes. Is there any way for me to add another mode so that I can switch to my native resolution with fbset? I tried forcing a resolution with video=VGA-1:1280x1024-24@60:e but it did not help |
| 15:26.28 | jsumners | thinks rhenani doesn't want Debian |
| 15:26.40 | wols | thinks rhenani is very confused |
| 15:27.16 | rhenani | wols: Ok just tell me how can i activate the hibernation mode?? |
| 15:27.23 | wols | rhenani: < jsumners> wols, sounds like he wants energy saving settings. but he has given no indication of what environment he is using |
| 15:27.46 | orflon | stew: I have the following entries in dmesg: udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth2 and renamed network interface eth0_rename to eth1. Could that create a conflict? |
| 15:28.12 | stew | rhenani: run "hibernate" as root |
| 15:28.15 | stew | orflon: no |
| 15:28.56 | stew | orflon: your problem is a hardware problem, not a software problem |
| 15:29.23 | rhenani | wols: when you do right clik in Windows and then property. you can see the monitor set the background protect, the time, etc, i want to acces to configuration of my desktp but on debian i CAN'T FIND Where |
| 15:29.38 | rhenani | stew: what about the time i want the hibernation mode after 20 min?? |
| 15:29.44 | babilen | rhenani: Do you use GNOME? |
| 15:29.47 | wols | rhenani: debian isn't exacly copying your windows UI |
| 15:30.05 | wols | rhenani: and stew just told you how to hibernate |
| 15:30.07 | jsumners | rhenani, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment |
| 15:30.10 | rhenani | wols: I do know, for that i want to know how can i do it in debian =)! |
| 15:30.35 | jsumners | rhenani, pay particular attention to section #3 |
| 15:30.48 | stew | rhenani: if you use a desktop environment, you should specify which |
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| 15:33.52 | rhenani | stew: GNOME |
| 15:33.58 | rhenani | I'm Using Gnome |
| 15:34.13 | rhenani | stew: version 2.30.2 |
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| 15:34.23 | rhenani | stew: Debian |
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| 15:35.41 | webad_13 | anyone here good with tty and KMS? |
| 15:35.44 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
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| 15:36.11 | Bartzy|work | Installing a specific package from wheezy when I have squeeze installed - is that bad ? Should I to all the deb-src stuff with sid and build-dep ? |
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| 15:37.31 | blinki | I need assistance with rsync, I'm trying to transfer only files with 2011 in the name (apache logs), and exclude all other files (other years, etc) but the --include isn't superceding the --exclude |
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| 15:38.49 | orflon | stew: thanks a lot mate, I really appreciate it! |
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| 15:40.18 | webad_13 | "/names > users.txt; mapfile users <users.txt; for each i in ${users[@]}; do /msg $i "Are you good with tty and KMS?"; done " :):):) |
| 15:40.21 | kombi | blinki: maybe you should pipe from a find command |
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| 15:41.18 | blinki | kombi: the argument list would be too long |
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| 15:41.43 | cari | hi, i have a problem with syslog-ng, it wont start on my server |
| 15:41.48 | blinki | and xargs'ing it all would take a while to get through (each file requiring it's own session iirc) |
| 15:42.01 | cari | Starting system logging: syslog-ngsyntax error at 175 |
| 15:42.09 | cari | somebody seen this before? |
| 15:42.42 | stew | cari: what is on line 175 of your config file? |
| 15:42.52 | cari | mom |
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| 15:43.25 | Bartzy|work | Installing a specific package from wheezy when I have squeeze installed - is that bad ? Should I to all the deb-src stuff with sid and build-dep ? |
| 15:43.26 | kombi | blinki: have you tried wildcards? |
| 15:43.31 | stew | yeah, that would be a syntax error... |
| 15:43.33 | cari | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.34 | cari | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.40 | cari | first line is 175 |
| 15:44.16 | edwin_quijada | I have a samba PDC and I need that my users can write in WINDOWS/ folder I added these users to sambaadmins group RID = 512 |
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| 15:44.37 | stew | cari: is the previous line missing a ; or something? |
| 15:44.38 | Achylles | Bartzy|work: you can have a mixed system using pin |
| 15:44.43 | cari | no its there |
| 15:44.44 | edwin_quijada | but it doesnt work yet ... There is any way to get this |
| 15:44.51 | blinki | kombi: yes? |
| 15:44.59 | stew | Bartzy|work: its strongly discouraged to mix packages from non-stable with stable without backporting |
| 15:45.00 | cari | filter f_messages { not (facility(news) or filter(f_iptables)) or filter(f_mailwarn); }; |
| 15:45.04 | cari | is the line before |
| 15:45.23 | cari | its the standard config file i presume |
| 15:45.23 | blinki | the command I am using (dry run) is this: rsync -nrP --exclude="*" --include="*2011*" sourcedir destdir |
| 15:45.37 | stew | cari: i'd probably trace the init script with -x and make sure that the error message is coming from the deamon itself and not something else |
| 15:45.43 | blinki | since the man page says --include=PATTERN don't exclude files matching PATTERN |
| 15:45.49 | stew | cari: or try running it by hand |
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| 15:45.54 | kombi | blinki: rsync /some/where/*2011* /else/where/ |
| 15:45.59 | cari | stew: how? |
| 15:46.14 | kombi | blinki: I see.. |
| 15:46.15 | Bartzy|work | stew: How do I backport ? |
| 15:46.17 | stew | cari: bash -x /etc/init.d/syslog-ng start |
| 15:46.21 | stew | Bartzy|work: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:46.25 | Bartzy|work | stew: And why it is discouraged ? |
| 15:46.42 | Bartzy|work | thank you. |
| 15:46.54 | Bartzy|work | stew: What 'ssb' means ? |
| 15:46.55 | blinki | kombi: it's a list of directories... sourcedir is actually a list of places.. |
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| 15:47.58 | kombi | blinki: find and xargs are screaming then |
| 15:48.04 | blinki | am I misunderstanding how --exclude and --include work? |
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| 15:48.31 | blinki | kombi: that will add a bunch of time, each file will require an ssh session to be established/torn down |
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| 15:49.50 | cari | gnarf ctrl+w closes channels in xchat lol |
| 15:50.05 | cari | stew: http://nopaste.info/e27361554a.html |
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| 15:50.12 | cari | is the output of the trace |
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| 15:51.08 | stew | cari: then i'd try to run it by hand |
| 15:51.22 | cari | just "syslog-ng" |
| 15:51.22 | stew | cari: what version of syslog-ng is this? have you checked the bts? |
| 15:51.23 | cari | ? |
| 15:51.29 | cari | bts? |
| 15:51.47 | stew | cari: i don't know. I'd check the manpage to see if there are nofork/debug options |
| 15:51.57 | cari | k |
| 15:52.29 | cari | syslog-ng_2.0.9-4.1_amd64.deb |
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| 15:52.53 | cari | i reinstalled the package, error didnt go away |
| 15:53.03 | cari | perhaps not related to syslog-ng |
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| 15:53.15 | stew | since its probably a conffile problem, its not likely that a reinstall would change anything |
| 15:53.20 | stew | !versions syslog-ng |
| 15:53.28 | stew | ,versions syslog-ng |
| 15:53.28 | judd | Package syslog-ng on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-4.1; lenny-backports: 3.1.1-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.3-3; wheezy: 3.1.3-3+b1; sid: 3.2.4-1 |
| 15:53.42 | stew | ahh, lenny. i doubt such an error is in the lenny package |
| 15:53.55 | stew | cari: have you modified the conffile since it was originally installed? |
| 15:54.21 | cari | no |
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| 15:54.32 | cari | but i wasnt root the last month |
| 15:54.42 | cari | but i doubt someone did modify it |
| 15:54.47 | cari | plesk is running on this server |
| 15:54.53 | cari | meybe related to that? |
| 15:55.09 | stew | cari: you can check by comparing the md5sum of the conffiles in the output of "dpkg -s packagename" with those on disk |
| 15:55.23 | Bartzy|work | stew: What ssb means ? :| |
| 15:55.29 | stew | Bartzy|work: simple sid backport |
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| 15:56.12 | cari | k md5sum says modified |
| 15:56.32 | stew | Bartzy|work: sorry, i missed your questions. installing packages from testing is likely to make you have to upgrade a bunch of other libraries from testing, (which might also pull in their own dependencies). Its safer to minimize the things you install from testing by backporting instead |
| 15:56.52 | stew | Bartzy|work: testing packages are likely to be buggy, and won't get timely security support |
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| 15:57.51 | cari | how can i reinstall a clean config-file? |
| 15:57.54 | Bartzy|work | stew: OK, great. And how come backporting like dpkg showed me doesn't need to pull packages for dependencies ? |
| 15:58.05 | cari | apt-get --reinstall install syslog-ng wont overwrite the config, i think |
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| 16:00.46 | stew | Bartzy|work: because you are recompiling the package against the libs in your release instead of pulling in the libs from testing |
| 16:00.52 | stew | cari: /msg dpkg confnew |
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| 16:01.17 | Bartzy|work | stew: And what if those libs are not compatible with the package I'm trying to compile ? |
| 16:01.20 | cari | really /msg ? |
| 16:01.35 | Bartzy|work | i.e. duplicity needs some python lib in a newer version than what I have in squeeze. |
| 16:01.38 | cari | lol |
| 16:01.43 | stew | cari: really. the bot named "dpkg" is full of information |
| 16:01.52 | stew | Bartzy|work: then you backport that lib first |
| 16:02.04 | blinki | ok, going to use find, xargs and sshfs. peace |
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| 16:02.20 | stew | Bartzy|work: but apt-get build-dep should be able to tell you when that is going to happen |
| 16:03.16 | Bartzy|work | stew: Nice, thanks a lot! |
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| 16:04.03 | matadore | hello, am searching google but i cannot find this.. |
| 16:04.15 | matadore | I am trying to delete words similar in file1 from file2... |
| 16:04.29 | matadore | or words similar in bad.txt from list.txt |
| 16:04.35 | matadore | whats the best way to do this? |
| 16:04.39 | Bartzy|work | anyone's using duplicity here ? :) |
| 16:04.52 | xk | Bartzy|work: yes. |
| 16:04.56 | stew | matadore: bad.txt is a list of words, one per line? you want a copy of list.txt with these words removed? |
| 16:05.35 | matadore | stew: yes one per line.... i want to take out anything similar or related in list.txt |
| 16:05.49 | stew | matadore: what do you mean by "similar" and "related"? |
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| 16:06.38 | matadore | stew: bad.txt might contain 99999 ... and list.txt might contain 2343999999999 .. i want to remove anything similar to it. |
| 16:06.52 | Bartzy|work | xk: I'm wondering - Do you write a custom backup script with the list of things to backup, for each host ? |
| 16:06.54 | stew | matadore: you want to remove lines or words from list.txt |
| 16:06.56 | stew | ? |
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| 16:07.08 | matadore | stew: remove the entire line |
| 16:07.23 | stew | matadore: fgrep -v -f bad.txt list.txt |
| 16:07.27 | xk | Bartzy|work: I only run it on one host. it was part of the existing setup, backing up to AWS. |
| 16:07.38 | matadore | k ill try that.. sorry if i didnt explain it good. |
| 16:07.46 | cari | funny, dpkg --force-confnew didnt overwrite the config-file, apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install syslog-ng didnt overwrite the config-file. i had to extraxt the package with dpkg -x and manually copy the conf to the specific location |
| 16:07.57 | cari | and it works now |
| 16:07.59 | cari | heureka |
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| 16:08.34 | cari | must be some plesk related error then |
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| 16:08.43 | cari | cant imagine something else change the config file |
| 16:08.47 | Bartzy|work | xk: And you have a custom backup script that executes duplicity ? |
| 16:09.01 | xk | Bartzy|work: it's a simple script. |
| 16:09.11 | Bartzy|work | xk: that backup script contains the list of files that need to be backed up ? You have a separate script to delete old backups ? |
| 16:09.11 | xk | yes, executes duplicity |
| 16:09.12 | matadore | stew: yup that worked.. thanks |
| 16:09.14 | cari | man, these server administration graphic user interfaces are a pain in the a** |
| 16:09.21 | xk | well, it does directories. |
| 16:09.36 | stew | cari: indeed, they cause more problems than they solve if you ask me |
| 16:09.39 | xk | Bartzy|work: with AWS... I just execute another command that deletes anything older than 30 or 90 days. |
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| 16:09.56 | xk | and do full backups every 30 days? |
| 16:09.57 | cari | yes, but windoze mouseclick-user want them |
| 16:10.03 | cari | ty stew |
| 16:10.29 | Bartzy|work | xk: why 30 OR 90 ? And that command is a duplicity command ? |
| 16:10.32 | xk | it's not a good system... one of the few things that I retained when I overhauled everything. |
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| 16:10.53 | xk | Bartzy|work: mysql: 30... because there's too much data. and 90 for files that can be delta'd. |
| 16:10.57 | Bartzy|work | I wonder how to handle multiple servers backup with duplicity |
| 16:11.09 | Bartzy|work | xk: mysql can't be delta'd ? It's rdiff delta |
| 16:11.11 | xk | dunno... I'd go for amanda... and if I want to be ballsy... bacula. |
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| 16:11.23 | xk | Bartzy|work: it's compressed before being backed up. |
| 16:12.04 | xk | as I said.. it's something that I retained. Everything else was reimplemented properly :) |
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| 16:12.53 | xk | just need to focus on configuration management and automated installation, and it will be sweet. |
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| 16:16.41 | rhenani | I have a question |
| 16:16.51 | rhenani | I currently use Kdenlive software |
| 16:16.53 | rhenani | to edit my videos |
| 16:17.26 | rhenani | But it doesn't work to good .. I've removed it and install it again and nothing |
| 16:17.37 | rhenani | should i do anything else beside |
| 16:17.44 | rhenani | apt-get install kdenlive?? |
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| 16:29.18 | IanBeyer_ | hey, having a weird problem with setting up software RAID in latest squeeze - I create the RAID set, then it won't let me create partitions. If I create partitions, the disks aren't available to create RAID. |
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| 16:43.55 | gribouille | hi |
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| 16:44.11 | gribouille | what does the following error message mean : dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory ? |
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| 16:45.13 | mogglefrange | Hi. I'm installing squeeze on a laptop with a SSD. Should I use a particular filesystem? |
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| 16:46.04 | heidar | Hi. I'm setting up debian on my server and I was looking to use nginx with php-fpm. Am I right that there is no php-fpm package for stable and I have to get it from a 3rd party location or build it myself? |
| 16:46.40 | stew | gribouille: that debian/files doesn't exist. what exactly are you doing? |
| 16:46.53 | Achylles | mogglefrange: you can use lvm or raiserfs |
| 16:47.39 | Achylles | mogglefrange: I mean it could be my choice |
| 16:47.59 | emaia | l |
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| 16:48.10 | gribouille | stew, I'm trying to buils a package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -B |
| 16:48.19 | gribouille | s/buils/build |
| 16:48.51 | stew | gribouille: odd. does it work without the -B? |
| 16:49.25 | gribouille | stew, no |
| 16:50.00 | gribouille | stew, there is a problem with rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty --parents <directory> |
| 16:50.43 | gribouille | it tries to remove a directory that doesn't exist |
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| 17:04.10 | webad_13 | I would like to find files in a random order, any ideas... like find . -name "*.mp3" -random :) |
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| 17:04.29 | peterrooney | webad_13: man shuf |
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| 17:05.26 | webad_13 | peterrooney: but this would be after the find is generated... that is to say I would need to pipe it to shuf |
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| 17:05.42 | webad_13 | peterrooney: is there a way instead to have find, look for files randomly |
| 17:05.56 | webad_13 | i am using -exec in find, this is why I am asking |
| 17:06.26 | \amethyst | then no |
| 17:06.37 | \amethyst | find doesn't have any options to affect the order other than -depth |
| 17:06.48 | webad_13 | I c |
| 17:06.59 | \amethyst | you'll have to produce names, randomize them, then iterate instead of using -exec |
| 17:08.09 | kcin1 | hi,i would appreciate help,my system boots straight into the window manager without a login manager somehow,but i have gdm installed,what can i do so gdm comes up when i boot?gdm starts but says Fatal server error: |
| 17:08.11 | kcin1 | Server is already active for display 0. i searched in the web but found no soultion,all my inittab, xinitrc files seem to be setup regularly and not for bypassing gdm |
| 17:08.14 | webad_13 | \amethyst: which is the optimal way to iterate... -exec was convenient because I don't need to wory about spaces and special characters |
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| 17:08.34 | \amethyst | webad_13: 'shuf' from coreutils can shuffle NUL-terminated strings |
| 17:08.34 | webad_13 | \amethyst: like an "elegant" way of doing it |
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| 17:09.19 | \amethyst | webad_13: do you need to invoke one command per filename, or one command per batch of filenames? (-exec \; or -exec + ?) |
| 17:09.31 | tekzilla | what would an nfs client need a writeable /etc for ? |
| 17:09.36 | webad_13 | -exec {} \; |
| 17:09.47 | \amethyst | webad_13: so something like find dir -stuff -print0 | shuf -z | xargs -n -0 mycommand |
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| 17:09.59 | \amethyst | webad_13: if the {} doesn't go at the end, then: |
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| 17:10.22 | \amethyst | webad_13: find dir -stuff -print0 | shuf -z | xargs -I {} -n -0 mycommand {} stuff |
| 17:10.39 | stew | is -n the same as -n1? |
| 17:10.43 | \amethyst | oop |
| 17:10.48 | \amethyst | sorry, I meant -n 1 |
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| 17:11.05 | \amethyst | webad_13: find dir -stuff -print0 | shuf -z | xargs -I {} -n 1 -0 mycommand {} stuff |
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| 17:12.08 | webad_13 | \amethyst: yeah that works but the "elegant" part :), seems to be missing |
| 17:12.22 | \amethyst | webad_13: (and all of this is quite GNU-specific, so it's not likely to work on non-Linux systems) |
| 17:12.38 | \amethyst | webad_13: well, bash can read NUL-delimited strings but that will be even uglier |
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| 17:13.16 | webad_13 | \amethyst: yeah that would, thank you for the help |
| 17:13.27 | stew | if there are no files with \n you can just iterate line by line in bash though |
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| 17:14.11 | stew | find -stuff | shuf | while read f ; do mycommand $f ; done |
| 17:14.32 | stew | well that should be mycommand "$f" |
| 17:14.43 | \amethyst | not much more elegant though :) |
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| 17:15.17 | \amethyst | but more flexible |
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| 17:15.42 | \amethyst | (you can read NUL-delimited strings with while IFS='' read -d '' -r f |
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| 17:17.19 | stew | my feeling is that if you name your mp3s with \n in the name, you don't deserve to listen to them :) |
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| 17:18.14 | wols | looks for a ton of riaa seeded mp3s with n in the p2p program of his choice |
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| 17:20.13 | \amethyst | stew: it's also security: if a file (maybe you didn't create it) does have such a name, that would cause the line-by-line loop to process an entirely different file |
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| 17:22.11 | \amethyst | so if "mycommand" is "upload to a server", someone could just name a file "something.mp3\n/home/user/.my.cnf\nsomething else.mp3" and have your database passwords |
| 17:22.16 | \amethyst | or some such |
| 17:22.48 | stew | \amethyst: filenames cannot contain / |
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| 17:23.54 | \amethyst | stew: so if they don't have control over the directory structure but just the filename, they can only access files from the current directory |
| 17:24.04 | \amethyst | stew: so if you run the command from ~, same problem |
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| 17:25.33 | cusco | hai |
| 17:25.46 | cusco | I upgraded in testing that included irssi |
| 17:25.59 | cusco | now binding escape + arrow isn't going to next window |
| 17:26.06 | cusco | somebody else suffering from this? |
| 17:26.23 | cusco | cat + arrow shows ^[[C |
| 17:26.28 | cusco | or ^[[D |
| 17:26.36 | cusco | should be ok in the bindings |
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| 17:28.05 | jesse_ | Hey debian-experts, i was wondering eh. From my menu under accesoires there is a root terminal that i can start without entering a sudo password |
| 17:28.16 | jesse_ | isn't that weird? what's the entire purpose of sudo than? |
| 17:28.37 | \amethyst | jesse_: have you already entered the sudo password somewhere else? |
| 17:28.43 | peterrooney | jesse_: how many times in the past hour have you used sudo? |
| 17:29.01 | jesse_ | peterooney i've never used sudo once |
| 17:29.06 | jesse_ | only su'ed once |
| 17:29.17 | jesse_ | And that terminal i closed |
| 17:29.32 | davividal | hi all. I'm trying to setup an firewall with simple internet sharing, but I can't use MASQUERADE. So, I'm using SNAT, but my network can't browse internet nor ping nor tracepath, but can resolve URLs. |
| 17:29.47 | davividal | here is my tcpdump: http://pastebin.com/137fTsuH and some confs: http://pastebin.com/PFYZ6cy9 |
| 17:29.51 | davividal | what am I missing? |
| 17:30.01 | jjholt | jesse_, my root terminal prompts for a password |
| 17:30.17 | webad_13 | davividal: ##networking |
| 17:30.20 | davividal | googling for "iptables snat" I found this link: http://e-articles.info/e/a/title/SNAT-with-iptables/ |
| 17:30.28 | jesse_ | mine doesn't |
| 17:30.30 | davividal | webad_13 thanks |
| 17:30.30 | jesse_ | really weird |
| 17:30.34 | simonlnu | did you happen to "convert" to debian? |
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| 17:31.09 | stew | jesse_: look at /etc/sudoers and see if the relevant entry has the NOPASSWD option |
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| 17:34.03 | RickHull | I have a server/daemon (several, actually), that I would like to have run automatically at startup/init. However, there is a twist in that I typically execute the server in a screen session, as the server provides a console over STDIN/STDOUT |
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| 17:34.20 | RickHull | i need to have some way of attaching to "the console" |
| 17:34.32 | RickHull | can i have the startup script run inside its own screen session? |
| 17:34.49 | \amethyst | have the script launch screen instead of launching the program |
| 17:35.12 | RickHull | once screen launches, i need the program to be executed inside the session |
| 17:35.15 | \amethyst | screen has options to start detached; you can use those with start-stop-daemon |
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| 17:35.26 | \amethyst | and you can specify what program to run in the session |
| 17:35.28 | jesse_ | stew, sudoers.d file is actually empty |
| 17:35.35 | RickHull | \amethyst: fantastic |
| 17:35.43 | RickHull | are those all screen options, then? |
| 17:35.47 | RickHull | (sounds like yes) |
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| 17:36.09 | \amethyst | RickHull: yes, man screen |
| 17:36.19 | RickHull | cheers! |
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| 17:36.43 | RickHull | last question: is there a good guide/tut to writing your own startup scripts? |
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| 17:37.06 | RickHull | i.e. big picture, the Debian way |
| 17:37.08 | jesse_ | RickHull |
| 17:37.11 | jesse_ | im not sure |
| 17:37.16 | jesse_ | im not a linux expert either |
| 17:37.24 | jesse_ | but i think anything that is put into init.d |
| 17:37.30 | \amethyst | RickHull: There's a section in policy about that; see /etc/init.d/README and the documents linked to from there |
| 17:37.32 | jesse_ | is automatically started up at boot |
| 17:37.42 | RickHull | Ive hacked around with S17 / K85 stuff before |
| 17:37.49 | RickHull | not sure I was doing it all correctly |
| 17:37.49 | jesse_ | Heh looks like i was right :D |
| 17:38.01 | \amethyst | RickHull: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 17:38.17 | jesse_ | I know this isn't debian-related but could anyone try to visit this webpage: http://80.60.106.201/system_info.html |
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| 17:38.20 | RickHull | yeah, I know those basics. but I'll read thru it |
| 17:38.39 | RickHull | \amethyst: section 9.3, awesome danke |
| 17:38.41 | \amethyst | RickHull: some of that is about how to put init scripts in packages, but most of it is relevant to writing them |
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| 17:39.51 | \amethyst | jesse_: you need to use more of that disk space |
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| 17:40.15 | kcin1 | hi, is rcS only run in emergency mode? |
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| 17:41.09 | wols | kcin1: no |
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| 17:42.07 | jesse_ | \amethyst i installed this copy of debian yesterday xD |
| 17:42.10 | tuggle | hi, my acpid does not execute the scripts in /etc/acpi though acpi_listen recognizes an event. Is there some way to log what is happening or does anyone know the cause? |
| 17:42.54 | kcin1 | wols:so why do i have x11/common in rcS.d?is that what causes gdm to fail in my system? |
| 17:43.18 | An_Ony_Moose | is there a program that gets all dependencies for a .deb via apt? |
| 17:43.41 | kcin1 | apt-cache show |
| 17:43.44 | wols | I dunno why you have it in there, maybe look at thes script? It's very very unlikely gdm fails due to that |
| 17:43.50 | stew | jesse_: did you check /etc/sudoers? |
| 17:44.01 | wols | An_Ony_Moose: gets? apt-get install "gets" all dependencies |
| 17:44.01 | \amethyst | you're not trying to start gdm from rcS.d are you? |
| 17:44.05 | jesse_ | stew yes i did |
| 17:44.07 | An_Ony_Moose | kcin1: oh yeah... That makes sense I guess. How did I forget about that >_> |
| 17:44.08 | jesse_ | but the file is empty |
| 17:44.14 | stew | jesse_: then sudo won't work at all |
| 17:44.17 | An_Ony_Moose | wols: when you've downloaded a .deb manually, I mean |
| 17:44.35 | jesse_ | stew not empty |
| 17:44.41 | kcin1 | wols:gdm says:Fatal server error: |
| 17:44.41 | jesse_ | it only has comments |
| 17:44.42 | jesse_ | and one line |
| 17:44.43 | kcin1 | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 17:44.51 | jesse_ | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 17:45.00 | jesse_ | and the rest are comments with # line |
| 17:45.11 | kcin1 | Moose:use dpkg to extract and look at control |
| 17:45.12 | An_Ony_Moose | wait, I was looking for dpkg --info |
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| 17:45.26 | jesse_ | and well: sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL but that line is supposed to be there i think |
| 17:45.46 | wols | I like your definition of "empty" |
| 17:45.47 | \amethyst | kcin1: maybe you have some other display manager running? gdm3, kdm, or xdm, maybe? |
| 17:46.16 | \amethyst | jesse_: no percent sign? |
| 17:47.08 | jesse_ | yes a percent sign |
| 17:47.17 | jesse_ | oops sorry i didn't type the % sign |
| 17:47.20 | jesse_ | very sorry ;p |
| 17:47.34 | \amethyst | that, then, means that any user in the group 'sudo' can use sudo to become any other user |
| 17:47.48 | \amethyst | though you would have to put in your password, unless you've entered it sufficiently recently |
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| 17:48.04 | jesse_ | yes, but it doesn't explain why i can start up a root terminal without entering a password |
| 17:48.08 | \amethyst | unless gksudo uses the keyring or something like that |
| 17:48.30 | \amethyst | jesse_: you hadn't recently put in your password for any other stuff in the menu? |
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| 17:48.51 | \amethyst | jesse_: especially the "Administration" section |
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| 17:49.18 | kcin1 | amethyst:sorry,I have to clarify,i installed gdm3 NOT gdm,gdm3 fails to start,and i didnt find any gdm,kdm,xdm,slim running |
| 17:49.43 | kcin1 | gdm3 starts but does not operate in fact |
| 17:49.51 | jesse_ | \amethyst software center that counts? |
| 17:50.00 | \amethyst | jesse_: probably, yes |
| 17:50.13 | \amethyst | jesse_: I suspect that uses sudo to get privileges |
| 17:50.19 | \amethyst | jesse_: which remembers your password |
| 17:50.28 | Arrowmaster | jesse_: run 'sudo -k' then see if you can open the root terminal without a password |
| 17:50.34 | \amethyst | jesse_: you can run sudo -k from a command line to forget the password |
| 17:50.35 | kcin1 | wols:i looked at the x11 script in rcS.d, it does not wait for gdm3 |
| 17:50.48 | \amethyst | (actually it's not remembering the password, just that you entered it) |
| 17:51.17 | jesse_ | ok |
| 17:51.36 | jesse_ | yup |
| 17:51.40 | jesse_ | still can run a root terminal |
| 17:51.47 | \amethyst | jesse_: without a password? |
| 17:52.01 | kcin1 | can anyone with a working login manager check if they also have a Sx11 script in rcS? |
| 17:52.03 | jesse_ | yes |
| 17:52.06 | \amethyst | then I guess gnome's keyring is remembering the password? |
| 17:52.11 | \amethyst | kcin1: yes, I have that |
| 17:52.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah it does that |
| 17:52.22 | \amethyst | kcin1: that script isn't the problem, as it doesn't launch an X server |
| 17:52.34 | jesse_ | hmm good thing than that when you're idle it logs out in 5 minutes |
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| 17:52.42 | jesse_ | Because it exposes kind of a security risk |
| 17:52.46 | stew | jesse_: does sudo work from the command line as your user without a password? |
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| 17:53.18 | jesse_ | jesse is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 17:53.24 | Arrowmaster | you entered the root password to open something earlier right? |
| 17:53.29 | jesse_ | That's what i get when i try to use sudo |
| 17:53.30 | stew | so its using some other mechanism |
| 17:53.32 | jesse_ | so i just run su |
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| 17:53.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats separate from sudo |
| 17:53.44 | jesse_ | because i don't know yet how to put myself in sudo :P |
| 17:53.56 | Zelozelos | wicd will not connect, it seems to be an issue with the wpa1/2 authenticatino , it keeps saying bad password, live cd 6 |
| 17:54.01 | kcin1 | amethyst:thanks |
| 17:54.13 | _jesse_ | jesse_: visudo |
| 17:54.18 | _jesse_ | to edit the sudoers fiel |
| 17:54.20 | _jesse_ | *file |
| 17:54.46 | kcin1 | where else can i look to find what is going wrong? |
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| 17:54.52 | stew | either someone already edited his sudoers file, or he still didn't accurately describe its contents to us. i'm guessing the latter :) |
| 17:55.05 | stew | (not that I think it has anything to do with his original quesiton) |
| 17:55.34 | _jesse_ | ah maybe, I just jumped in because their nick is close enough to cause me to get /highlight ed |
| 17:55.38 | jesse_ | ahh thanks _jesse_ |
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| 17:56.04 | Arrowmaster | ah! confusing! |
| 17:56.12 | jesse_ | _jesse_ are you a girl? Because many people tell my jesse is a girl's name |
| 17:56.14 | jesse_ | but i don't think so |
| 17:56.22 | jesse_ | also this is not linux-related but i have to ask |
| 17:56.37 | _jesse_ | :p nah, male |
| 17:56.40 | \amethyst | If it's spelled that way I would assume male |
| 17:56.42 | jesse_ | good :D |
| 17:56.43 | _jesse_ | jessie is typically the female analogue |
| 17:56.55 | jesse_ | when i search Jesse in google |
| 17:57.01 | jesse_ | i only get female porn starts too |
| 17:57.02 | ompaul | looks on and considers pointing at #debian-offtopic |
| 17:57.04 | jesse_ | so that added to the confusion |
| 17:57.08 | _jesse_ | haha |
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| 17:57.45 | Zelozelos | any body else encounter this problem? or suggestions? |
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| 17:58.14 | sombra | hello speack spanish |
| 17:58.23 | nym_ | queees00 |
| 17:58.32 | RickHull | sombra: #debian-es |
| 17:58.44 | sombra | ok gracias |
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| 17:59.42 | Edogaa | so, debian 64 and 32 bit chroot environments for wine? |
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| 18:00.10 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt need a chroot for wine |
| 18:00.20 | stew | but you need a verb in questions |
| 18:00.51 | Edogaa | how do I Compile the latest wine then? :| |
| 18:00.56 | Edogaa | 32 bit version. |
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| 18:01.22 | Arrowmaster | thats a question for #winehq |
| 18:02.39 | stew | Edogaa: you know debian has wine precompiled (though perhaps not the latest) |
| 18:02.55 | Arrowmaster | very very far from latest |
| 18:03.15 | Edogaa | Yes...not even the latest stable. lol |
| 18:03.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah there are reasons for that |
| 18:04.01 | Arrowmaster | and its being worked on |
| 18:04.04 | Edogaa | I asked in WINEHQ, and all I got was chrooting helps :/ |
| 18:04.07 | Edogaa | Hmm? |
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| 18:04.34 | Edogaa | CUrious now, why is that? |
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| 18:05.16 | Arrowmaster | because it wasnt possible to compile using only dependencies in debian |
| 18:05.46 | Edogaa | huh |
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| 18:05.54 | jesse_ | Wow i'm loving linux :D |
| 18:06.01 | jesse_ | Wish i discovered this ealrier |
| 18:06.29 | stew | if you had discovered it earlier, it might have been less lovable! :) |
| 18:06.30 | Arrowmaster | one of the debian devs working on it has packages available from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ but you have to manually install them, no apt repo |
| 18:06.44 | jesse_ | stew haha i love the commandline :D even though i |
| 18:06.47 | jesse_ | 'm bad at it |
| 18:07.10 | jesse_ | It encourages me to try new things, and experiment |
| 18:08.23 | ompaul | jesse_: go work this out - a command that can be run as the user that will log them out of all stuff |
| 18:08.44 | Edogaa | I Have a love-hate relationship. Mostly with the date of software in the repositories. I'd like to say the unintelligible gibberish from some of the *nix folks, but I Recently discovered that window users aren't much better and they're all a bit elitist, there other things too but other than I seem to like it enough to come back to it. :| |
| 18:08.45 | jesse_ | onpaul |
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| 18:08.57 | jesse_ | log out user account? or log-out facebook, myspace stuff like that? |
| 18:09.21 | admin_ | sdg |
| 18:09.24 | ompaul | jesse_: log you out of a computer no matter how many times you are logged in in X or terminals |
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| 18:09.42 | jesse_ | Lol, didn't even know you could be logged in more than once |
| 18:09.45 | jesse_ | I'll try :D |
| 18:10.01 | ompaul | wishes jesse_ good luck |
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| 18:10.42 | jesse_ | ompaul, is it a problem if the terminal get's closed? |
| 18:11.05 | jesse_ | where you are logged in |
| 18:11.24 | ompaul | jesse_: the idea is it logs you out of all working things and kills off your existing session |
| 18:11.52 | jesse_ | because than it'd be logical to run a 'PS' command |
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| 18:12.05 | jesse_ | find the processID with grep for all terminal processes except this one |
| 18:12.09 | ompaul | jesse_: no |
| 18:12.13 | jesse_ | and kill them |
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| 18:12.33 | ompaul | jesse_: this command will boot you out of the box you will have to log in again |
| 18:12.58 | ompaul | jesse_: it does all the ps stuff internally |
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| 18:13.11 | jesse_ | onpaul i understand |
| 18:13.29 | jesse_ | But if i just type logout i get logged out |
| 18:13.33 | jesse_ | and all my terminal windows get closed too |
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| 18:15.09 | wols | ß0.0 |
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| 18:16.18 | ompaul | jesse_: go look up pkill -u and no logout is not as effective I can give you use cases where it does not work |
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| 18:18.19 | jesse_ | ok |
| 18:18.21 | ompaul | jesse_: for instance if you ssh into a box on multiple terminals logout does not disconnect all sessions |
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| 18:18.42 | jesse_ | onpaul i'm not going to fix this problem :P |
| 18:18.51 | jesse_ | I don't have enough knowledge yet |
| 18:18.57 | jesse_ | maybe later i can |
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| 18:21.45 | brotherSand | Howdy boys and girls. Got any Grub2 experts about? |
| 18:21.53 | ompaul | jesse_: it is not a problem it was a challenge I set for you ;-) |
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| 18:22.12 | jesse_ | got to think realistic |
| 18:22.17 | jesse_ | I just achieved one of my own challenges |
| 18:22.30 | jesse_ | Displaying the current server temps on a web-server :D |
| 18:22.35 | ompaul | brotherSand: one persons expert is another's learner - ask your real question |
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| 18:24.08 | brotherSand | okay, here goes: I have just upgraded to Squeeze and Grub2. I encountered, as apparently others did, the "Error 15" error. I can boot my system using the SuperGrub2 cd, but no amount of installing grub to /dev/sda seems to make the essential problem go away. |
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| 18:25.05 | brotherSand | With the SuperGrub2 cd I can find the Grub installation on the MBR. I select it and boot it. No problems. But it will not boot by itself. |
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| 18:25.38 | brotherSand | I is confused. |
| 18:25.44 | Arrowmaster | can you get the cd to let you boot into debian? |
| 18:25.49 | brotherSand | sure |
| 18:26.05 | Arrowmaster | do that first |
| 18:26.18 | brotherSand | in there now |
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| 18:26.44 | brotherSand | from within debian I have done this: |
| 18:27.03 | brotherSand | grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 18:27.10 | brotherSand | update-grub |
| 18:27.19 | brotherSand | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 18:27.32 | brotherSand | all completes, no errors |
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| 18:28.25 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 18:28.32 | brotherSand | yeah, weird right? |
| 18:29.02 | brotherSand | what's so bizarre is that if I use the CD to find the grub install I can boot off it no problem |
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| 18:29.24 | Arrowmaster | you had grub1 and upgraded it to grub2 right? |
| 18:29.28 | brotherSand | yes |
| 18:29.29 | hammarlund | same problem here, ended up fixing by running fsck -f -c -p on the problem partition (/ in my case). |
| 18:29.31 | karlpinc | brotherSand: The error is from grub? |
| 18:29.51 | brotherSand | yes, error 15 from grub (file not found) |
| 18:29.58 | Arrowmaster | theres some command to run when upgrading from grub1 to grub2 but i cant remember it |
| 18:30.23 | karlpinc | hammarlund: Good idea. Could be an alignemnt problem. |
| 18:30.25 | karlpinc | !4kb |
| 18:30.26 | dpkg | Newer (S)ATA drives have 4k sectors, which when not accounted for, can cause performance problems. See http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02021.html for more information. |
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| 18:30.54 | brotherSand | yeah, there was an "upgrade-from-grub-legacy" command that I performed. |
| 18:31.04 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: I think that's only for the upgrade itself to stop grub1 from chainloading grub2. |
| 18:31.09 | brotherSand | hammarlund: that sounds like a good thing to check |
| 18:31.34 | karlpinc | brotherSand: Does your hard drive have 4KB sectors? |
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| 18:32.04 | brotherSand | err, not sure. The /boot partition is ext3 but I'm not sure what the sector size is |
| 18:32.15 | Arrowmaster | i found something saying that it might be from the change in how grub numbers drives |
| 18:32.31 | Arrowmaster | unless its a really new drive or SSD it wont have 4KB sectors |
| 18:32.55 | karlpinc | brotherSand: The only way to tell is to look up the drive specs. (And I don't know if this is really the problem, but it was hammerland's problem.) |
| 18:33.28 | brotherSand | Arrowmaster: That sounds like the right idea. In the past with grub I sometimes had issues where it confused hd(0,0) with hd(1,0) |
| 18:33.39 | brotherSand | drives are not that new |
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| 18:33.58 | brotherSand | sata, but several years old |
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| 18:34.10 | karlpinc | brotherSand: Probably not 4KB. |
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| 18:35.31 | hth12 | running debian stable, what packages must I install and what commands must I run to compile a jsp file? |
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| 18:36.20 | v1k1ng0 | hi |
| 18:36.25 | cusco | jsp .. that is java servelet right? |
| 18:36.29 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:36.32 | cusco | you neet somethink like tomcat or glassfish |
| 18:39.17 | v1k1ng0 | I have debian unstable ... java is not working in iceweasel, someone knows if there is a bug? it was working until update |
| 18:39.17 | envirocbr | Hey everyone, I have tried crontabs and even setting up a job to run every minute in /etc/cron.d/ as a specific user |
| 18:39.17 | Arrowmaster | brotherSand: try making sure the device.map (does that still exist in grub2?) is correct and that the drive numbers are correct in the config, but i have to leave now so nothing else from me |
| 18:39.17 | envirocbr | I am still UNABLE to get this cron job to start |
| 18:39.17 | hth12 | cusco: i want to compile it offline |
| 18:39.17 | brotherSand | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 18:39.17 | cusco | I don't know. try #java hth12 |
| 18:39.18 | hth12 | cusco: okey dokey, thanks |
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| 18:40.06 | brotherSand | hdparm /dev/sda :: geometry = 30401/255/63, sectors = 488397168, start = 0 |
| 18:40.40 | brotherSand | not sure that reveals the sector size |
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| 18:42.55 | brotherSand | ah, logical and physical sector size = 512 bytes |
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| 18:43.37 | work | I'm trying to use the python-django packages on squeeze; after install, I get an error importing django.core but I can "import django" just fine; anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 18:44.04 | bradmont | or should I ask in #django? |
| 18:44.23 | brotherSand | envirocbr: what cron job? |
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| 18:48.47 | brotherSand | okay, think I found the problem. The UUIDs are wrong in the grub.cfg |
| 18:48.50 | ujjain | How do I disable raid monitoring? ERROR: May 18 22:39:25 debian mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status |
| 18:49.09 | raz | ok advanced voodoo question |
| 18:49.11 | nascentmind | Hi. What are the safety issues I should take care of for an nfs setup? I am trying to setup a dev environment and would want a safe restricted nfs setup. |
| 18:49.15 | raz | is there a way to remotely alter the CWD of a running process? |
| 18:49.28 | raz | when you have, say, deleted the current CWD but need the process to write something that it will try to write to its CWD? |
| 18:49.43 | envirocbr | brotherSand: it is for rancid |
| 18:49.44 | \amethyst | raz: attach to it with a debugger and force it to call chdir() |
| 18:49.57 | raz | \amethyst: hmm gdb? |
| 18:49.57 | envirocbr | brotherSand: basically it just needs to run /usr/bin/rancid-run |
| 18:50.02 | envirocbr | but it wont'! |
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| 18:50.16 | raz | \amethyst: happen to have a rough one-liner for me by chance? |
| 18:50.19 | brotherSand | envirocbr: any error spit out? |
| 18:50.24 | envirocbr | brotherSand: Interestingly...no |
| 18:50.31 | envirocbr | cron is running |
| 18:50.51 | brotherSand | what's the line in the crontab? |
| 18:50.56 | envirocbr | I can run the script rancid-run manually and it works just fine |
| 18:50.57 | \amethyst | raz: gdb -p "$pid" <<<'call chdir("/tmp")' |
| 18:51.10 | envirocbr | 1 * * * * /usr/bin/rancid-run |
| 18:51.16 | envirocbr | that is in the local user cron tab |
| 18:51.27 | envirocbr | in /etc/cron.d/rancid-check |
| 18:51.31 | brotherSand | raz: maybe symlink to another directory |
| 18:51.37 | envirocbr | 1 * * * * rancid /usr/bin/rancid-run |
| 18:51.57 | \amethyst | envirocbr: and /usr/bin/ is the right directory, right? |
| 18:52.04 | envirocbr | \amethyst: yes |
| 18:52.09 | \amethyst | envirocbr: are you getting any emails with output from this program? |
| 18:52.11 | envirocbr | I could point it to the link |
| 18:52.22 | envirocbr | /var/lib/rancid/bin/rancid-run |
| 18:52.30 | envirocbr | but that is a sum to /usr/bin/rancid-run |
| 18:52.37 | envirocbr | \amethyst: nope |
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| 18:52.45 | envirocbr | nothign in /var/log/syslog either |
| 18:53.23 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:53.41 | \amethyst | envirocbr: and you tried waiting an hour? |
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| 18:54.35 | envirocbr | \amethyst: that is minute isn't it? |
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| 18:54.48 | \amethyst | envirocbr: yes, '1' there means to run it at 1 past the hour |
| 18:54.57 | \amethyst | envirocbr: you want * or */1 to mean "every minute" |
| 18:55.00 | envirocbr | we have been looking at it for over 8 hours...nothing |
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| 18:57.12 | jhutchins_lt | Is the cron file executable? |
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| 18:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | can you run the cron file manually? |
| 18:57.32 | octo777 | is there a way to send commands from console to manipulate powersaved? from a script? |
| 18:57.35 | TiCPU | when an NFS client says "device or ressource busy" and "short read 0 < 28", is there a way to debug this issue, it seems completely undocumented |
| 18:57.35 | jhutchins_lt | envirocbr: ^ |
| 18:57.42 | \amethyst | huh? cron files arne't usually executable |
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| 18:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: You're right, the ones in cron.d aren't. |
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| 18:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | envirocbr: Build a more complex script that will do logging - or just test the crontab with a logger entery. |
| 18:59.17 | \amethyst | envirocbr: if you change it to /bin/sh -x /usr/bin/rancid-run you should get some output |
| 18:59.25 | amee2k | ... |
| 18:59.36 | amee2k | you people really need to practice tab completion :P |
| 18:59.50 | simonlnu | seriously |
| 18:59.51 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: Yeah, my bad. |
| 18:59.58 | \amethyst | amee2k: my backslash screws it up a bit :) |
| 18:59.58 | envirocbr | May 19 14:58:01 127 CRON[27139]: Permission denied |
| 19:00.07 | amee2k | hehe :) |
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| 19:00.08 | envirocbr | I see that, not sure if that is it |
| 19:00.12 | envirocbr | considering ther eare other cron jobs |
| 19:00.15 | \amethyst | envirocbr: is /usr/bin/rancid-run executable? |
| 19:00.19 | envirocbr | \amethyst: yes |
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| 19:00.25 | simonlnu | \amethyst: not at all here :P. but i'm using irssi too. |
| 19:00.28 | \amethyst | envirocbr: and the first line is #! /bin/sh ? |
| 19:00.29 | envirocbr | I ran that and it worked as designed |
| 19:00.43 | raz | \amethyst: ps: thanks! we went the hard route now due to time pressure, but i saved your snippet for another opportunity :) |
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| 19:01.01 | envirocbr | yes |
| 19:01.39 | \amethyst | envirocbr: I suspect that error is from something else, then, especially given that the time is 14:58 and not 15:01 |
| 19:01.50 | wam_ | does anyone have a hint where I can read about current mobile ip for ipv6 development in linux/debian/whatever? |
| 19:01.50 | \amethyst | unless you changed it to * already |
| 19:01.58 | simonlnu | pats his new dspam |
| 19:02.38 | brotherSand | envirocbr: you see your entry for rancid when you do a "crontab -l " right? |
| 19:02.51 | brotherSand | I mean you did not just manually edit the cron file did you? |
| 19:03.16 | bol | Hi, im trying to install 6.0.1a netinstall x86_64, but the installer fails on detecting network hardware. I know that the module is e1000e because it works in my other osinstall (ubuntu 10.10), any ideas why? |
| 19:03.22 | simonlnu | crontab -l just display personal tabs, not system-wide ones |
| 19:03.26 | simonlnu | displays* |
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| 19:03.42 | brotherSand | right, but who is rancid supposed to run as? |
| 19:03.49 | simonlnu | bol: does it need firmware? |
| 19:04.09 | \amethyst | it sounds like envirocbr put it both in the personal and system-wide crontabs (with the correct syntax for each) and it's not running, or at least not producing error messages |
| 19:04.23 | simonlnu | i don't know their set up, so, that ^^ was more "throw it out there and see what bites" |
| 19:04.49 | simonlnu | well, envirocbr will need to make up their mind ;) |
| 19:05.07 | brotherSand | \amethyst: that it is not producing any output at all is what is strange |
| 19:05.10 | \amethyst | envirocbr: and you're not getting the rancid log files either, I assume |
| 19:05.14 | \amethyst | brotherSand: yeah |
| 19:05.23 | \amethyst | I wonder if it's an email misconfiguration |
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| 19:05.37 | simonlnu | it isn't running, or not running very well |
| 19:05.44 | jhutchins_lt | !tell bol about e1000e |
| 19:05.59 | simonlnu | or yes, email, could set the MAILTO and see what happens, and chekc the mail queue |
| 19:06.00 | \amethyst | envirocbr: what if you change the call to /usr/bin/run-rancid >/tmp/rancid.log 2>&1 wait a minute and check to see if you have that file? |
| 19:06.34 | \amethyst | envirocbr: just in case the emails from cron aren't getting through (because I think you should have gotten an email about that "Permission denied" at least) |
| 19:06.53 | bol | simonlnu: i don't know, ubuntu didn't demand any extra firmware afaik |
| 19:07.11 | simonlnu | ubuntu's d-i wouldn't, but ignore me |
| 19:07.39 | bol | don't be a hater :) |
| 19:07.54 | bol | i want to go back to debian, belive me.. |
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| 19:08.23 | simonlnu | um, not being a hater, just reality. simply because they don't strip blobs from the kernel. |
| 19:08.33 | simonlnu | don't prejudge ;) |
| 19:08.38 | bol | :) |
| 19:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | bol: Debian works a little harder to separate proprietary code from the purely free code. |
| 19:09.07 | simonlnu | what he said |
| 19:09.12 | \amethyst | which kernel is on the netinst? |
| 19:09.20 | bol | yeah i know, but in my stupidity i thought that intel was shipping free code |
| 19:09.21 | brotherSand | bol: I did go back to debian. ;-> |
| 19:09.32 | \amethyst | this is a newish netinst, right? |
| 19:09.44 | \amethyst | if not, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601017 could be relevant |
| 19:09.48 | bol | \amethyst: 2.6.32-5 |
| 19:09.50 | \amethyst | oh |
| 19:09.52 | \amethyst | that's it then |
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| 19:09.59 | \amethyst | the bug was fixed in 2.6.32-27 |
| 19:10.08 | simonlnu | ah |
| 19:10.26 | jhutchins_lt | kmuto doesn't have anything for squeeze yet, do they? |
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| 19:10.42 | simonlnu | should probably update that kernel in d-i. no idea. |
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| 19:11.42 | simonlnu | (i know it won't happen, but something like that, that's a show stopper for people with that h/w, might be a good idea to revise d-i kernel policy a bit) |
| 19:11.42 | \amethyst | would the current netinsts for squeeze be using such an old kernel? |
| 19:12.04 | simonlnu | (and other h/w..) |
| 19:12.15 | simonlnu | wouldn't be surprised |
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| 19:12.32 | \amethyst | oh, wait |
| 19:12.53 | \amethyst | the -5 in "2.6.32-5" was probably the ABI number, not the package version |
| 19:13.04 | simonlnu | wha'. usually |
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| 19:13.14 | simonlnu | doh! |
| 19:13.49 | simonlnu | linux-image-2.6.32-5-powerpc 2.6.32-31 |
| 19:13.55 | simonlnu | (e.g.) |
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| 19:14.17 | bol | \amethyst: 2.6.32-5-amd64 in my case |
| 19:14.20 | bol | ops |
| 19:14.24 | simonlnu | gtg, have fun kids! |
| 19:14.30 | \amethyst | bol: can you get the version of the package? |
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| 19:15.36 | \amethyst | bol: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 on the installer and see what's under 'version' |
| 19:15.42 | simonlnu | that always confuses me |
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| 19:16.30 | brotherSand | must depart |
| 19:16.33 | brotherSand | thanks all |
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| 19:17.01 | jhutchins_lt | The installer kernel could be older, I think 6.0.1 included an upgrade. |
| 19:17.37 | bol | \amethyst: no dpkg in $PATH |
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| 19:19.19 | bol | \amethyst: linux-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.32-31_amd64.deb |
| 19:19.21 | bol | and |
| 19:19.24 | \amethyst | oh |
| 19:19.34 | \amethyst | that's recent enough that the bug should be fixed then |
| 19:19.43 | bol | \amethyst: linux-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.32+29_amd64.deb |
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| 19:31.33 | oldtopman | Where do I look for the logs? |
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| 19:31.47 | oldtopman | My debian thing spams the screen right after a boot. |
| 19:31.59 | oldtopman | And I can't see the actual KP to give it to you :/ |
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| 19:33.08 | oldtopman | nvm |
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| 19:42.27 | zelo | i've got 2 display setup, each contain separate x server session with gnome but only 1 display content of Desktop folder. How can i enable that feature on 2 display? |
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| 19:43.09 | rhenani_ | Hello Guys |
| 19:43.19 | rhenani_ | I have a question about "wine" |
| 19:43.32 | IanBeyer_ | avoid the screw tops |
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| 19:43.44 | rhenani_ | if a install a windows xp using "wine" how can i after remove it in case some issue? |
| 19:44.04 | cusco | how can windwows be installed using wine? |
| 19:44.06 | cusco | thats new for me |
| 19:44.24 | zelo | rhenani_ u can install windows xp under some virtual machine not wine |
| 19:44.32 | rhenani_ | cusco: is I install a windows program.exe using "wine" |
| 19:44.50 | rhenani_ | I mean if i install a windows program.exe using |
| 19:44.53 | rhenani_ | "wine" |
| 19:44.55 | jelly-home | rhenani_: yes, you can run it's uninstaller |
| 19:45.01 | zelo | wine provide something like "add or delete" app |
| 19:45.02 | jelly-home | its* dammit |
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| 19:45.18 | rhenani_ | How can I then uninstall it in case some issue? |
| 19:45.32 | zelo | or by uninstaller provided withapp youinstalled if it exist |
| 19:45.33 | jelly-home | rhenani_: or just use a separate WINEPREFIX for each application, and just delete the directory |
| 19:46.48 | jelly-home | rhenani_: you can have as many windows "installations" as you wish with wine, it's basically a directory with configuration and registry files and a fake windows directory tree |
| 19:47.09 | jelly-home | s/it's/each is/ |
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| 19:47.34 | zelo | i've got 2 display setup, each contain separate x server session with gnome but only 1 display content of Desktop folder. How can i enable that feature on 2 display? anyone? |
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| 20:03.22 | bol | victory! wheezy is installing |
| 20:03.57 | ompaul | bol: how ... man over machine ... software over sense? ;-) |
| 20:04.17 | bol | !@# non-free firmware.. |
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| 20:04.55 | ompaul | bol: blame the nice people in the land of hard ware manufacturing |
| 20:05.42 | bol | ompaul: i do, in this case intel |
| 20:06.05 | Black_Prince | likes Intel hardware. |
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| 20:06.15 | bol | in my stupidity i thought that intel was pro-foss |
| 20:06.23 | bol | but not in every case apparently |
| 20:06.40 | Black_Prince | Well, today even intel nics require non free firmware ... |
| 20:06.56 | bol | yep, that was the case |
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| 20:07.41 | ompaul | Black_Prince: you say that as if it was a requirement |
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| 20:07.59 | vide | plz I need a little help with apt-get. I've removed the wrong package. When I realized I was removing the wrong package, I killed apt-get abruptly. For now, when y launch "apt-get install" without parameter the system insist in removing a huge list of packages and I don"t want to !! >>> see http://pastebin.com/bNQSWpR9 . How to cancel this ? |
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| 20:08.53 | peterrooney | vide: I would try "apt-get install package-i-accidentally-nuked" |
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| 20:09.30 | i0x71 | Hey, im trying to get cpuset working on debian squeeze with rt kernel, i keep getting this after running cset binary: http://pastebin.com/z3d6XNMY any suggestions ? |
| 20:09.43 | peterrooney | vide: also, it's not wanting to remove that long list, it's telling you you can safely remove them. |
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| 20:10.16 | vide | @ peterrooney : it say its already in the newest version |
| 20:10.25 | peterrooney | vide: so, it's only going to remove the one package. |
| 20:10.34 | vide | @ peterrooney : but why 643MP disk space ? |
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| 20:11.39 | Bartzy | !ssb |
| 20:11.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 20:11.47 | Bartzy | Why dpkg doesn't answer to /msg dpkg ssb :( |
| 20:11.50 | Miesco | !wine |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
| 20:12.46 | stew | vide: that's how big libqtwebkit4-dbg is |
| 20:12.57 | stew | Bartzy: dpkg does answer for me |
| 20:13.31 | vide | wow weird... |
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| 20:13.39 | vide | ok I try deleting |
| 20:13.43 | vide | sigh |
| 20:13.56 | stew | vide: delete what? why? |
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| 20:14.11 | stew | vide: it still wants to remove it after "apt-get install libqtwebkit4-dbg" ? |
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| 20:14.22 | peterrooney | judd: ,versions libqtwebkit4-dbg |
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| 20:14.42 | stew | judd: versions libqtwebkit4-dbg |
| 20:14.42 | judd | Package libqtwebkit4-dbg on i386 -- sid: 2.1.0~2011week13-1; wheezy: 2.1.0~2011week13-1 |
| 20:15.05 | vide | @stew : Im gonna try install libqt |
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| 20:15.27 | vide | uhhh |
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| 20:18.03 | vide | @stew : when apt-get install libqtwebkit4-dgb it says both "libqtwebkit4-dbg is already the newest version" and "The following packages will be REMOVED: libqtwebkit4-dbg" |
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| 20:19.59 | stew | vide: try "echo libqtwebkit4-dbg install | dpkg --set-selections" |
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| 20:20.07 | kartik_subbarao | What is the easiest way to disable/uninstall prelude? |
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| 20:20.32 | kartik_subbarao | I get a bunch of errors in syslog "Unable to initialize prelude client" related to pam with ssh and su |
| 20:20.47 | Bartzy | stew: Why do I need to enable debian backports when backporting on my own from sid ? |
| 20:20.50 | kartik_subbarao | I would prefer to disable prelude entirely for the moment or otherwise pacify pam so that this message doesn't show up |
| 20:20.53 | stew | Bartzy: you don't |
| 20:22.01 | Bartzy | stew: dpkg: 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) |
| 20:22.58 | stew | Bartzy: if you are backporting somehting that depends on libraries not in staable which are in backports, this will save you from having to backport those libraries yourself as well |
| 20:23.03 | vide | @stew : nothing happens |
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| 20:23.27 | stew | vide: does apt-get still want to remove it? |
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| 20:23.32 | stew | vide: if so, i'd consider filing a bug |
| 20:23.38 | stew | (and using aptitude instead) |
| 20:25.31 | vide | yep |
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| 20:29.15 | stew | vide: what does "grep-status -s status -P libqtwebkit4-dbg" return? |
| 20:29.29 | stew | vide: or "dpkg -s libqtwebkit4-dbg | grep ^Status" |
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| 20:37.25 | ARMA19X | which torrents do I need to download to install Debian last stable version? I'm using 64 bit. |
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| 20:38.18 | nkuttler | !tell ARMA19X about netinst |
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| 20:39.16 | cognitiaclaeves | I have a general question about logtail / logtail2 .. I see that it has been deprecated ... in favor of what? I was trying to use logtail to monitor a postfix file, but the command appeared to ignore the offset-file parameter that I passed it. |
| 20:39.31 | ARMA19X | nkuttler: I don't know much about linux, but a friend will install Debian on my PC for me. I don't have internet connection there, so I need a Debian installer DVD or CD images. can you please help me about this? |
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| 20:40.46 | nkuttler | ARMA19X: not really, i only use netinst |
| 20:41.01 | ARMA19X | ok then. thanks. |
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| 20:41.26 | akouni | Hello |
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| 20:41.34 | ompaul | !hello |
| 20:41.34 | dpkg | Hi, ompaul! |
| 20:41.44 | ompaul | akouni: hi |
| 20:41.45 | peterrooney | ARMA19X: you'll want CD 1 at least; DVD 1 contains pretty much everything most people would ever want. |
| 20:42.10 | akouni | I have a problem. When I boot my debian, I have to pass 3 grub... but I want only once... How can I do ? |
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| 20:42.22 | ARMA19X | brb. |
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| 20:43.29 | ompaul | akouni: screens? |
| 20:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | I don't understand why this trackpad suddenly goes nuts and jumps to the right every time you touch it. |
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| 20:48.18 | G-Farkas | Hi, I'm trying to make a package. My problem is that I can't set the compilation flags. I'll tried: 'CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe"' and 'CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"' before run 'dpkg-buildpackage'. But when the process start show me that the compilations flags are others. Excuse my english and thanks. |
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| 20:49.32 | G-Farkas | Of course... I comment it because im looking for help. |
| 20:49.35 | ompaul | G-Farkas: to learn how to make packages go to #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 20:50.04 | stew | G-Farkas: you'd want to put the cflags into the debian/rules |
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| 20:51.34 | G-Farkas | thanks. stew, I tried this. Maybe Im putting in an incorrect place. Ill paste bin it. |
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| 20:53.27 | G-Farkas | here is my debian/rules: http://pastebin.com/bk3UrP4f |
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| 20:54.00 | Ox41 | Is there any reason my debian squeeze VPS would restart with an error, then proceed to display an ubuntu loading screen? http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/330632/4901043 |
| 20:54.23 | G-Farkas | mmm, I already corrected the mistake of the missing ' " ' |
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| 20:55.27 | ompaul | Ox41: see you need to think about this ... is it really installed correctly try again and if it still happening I think that is one for the vps provider |
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| 20:55.43 | ompaul | Ox41: it could be the host kernel but I doubt it |
| 20:57.13 | Ox41 | omes: yeah, it was weird... it installed just fine and ran just fine for a couple months... then I restart and... blan no-go |
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| 20:58.41 | ompaul | Ox41: did you update grub recently? |
| 20:58.42 | stew | G-Farkas: you'll have to override the target which is doing the actual building |
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| 20:59.22 | stew | G-Farkas: (that's my guess at least) the problem with using these build tools which do everything for you, is that they might be tougher to figure out when you no longer want them to do everything for you |
| 20:59.42 | stew | G-Farkas: the DH_VERBOSE setting might be more enlightening |
| 21:00.49 | jimcooncat | Ox41: If you didn't do it, maybe your VPS provider is forwarding you to someone else's image, or replaced your image with someone else's. |
| 21:01.05 | G-Farkas | stew, So I should activate it? |
| 21:01.08 | Ox41 | hmm i hope not |
| 21:01.14 | Ox41 | seems like a wrong image tho huh? |
| 21:01.43 | jimcooncat | Ox41: Did you nose around to see if there was anything interesting on it? Or is it one of your old ones? |
| 21:01.59 | G-Farkas | stew, Or any idea of how to override that settings? |
| 21:02.48 | jimcooncat | yeah, there's no reason why you should see an ubuntu boot flash ever on a debian system |
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| 21:03.06 | jimcooncat | er, that is, splash |
| 21:03.17 | stew | G-Farkas: you override the target which does the acutal building by providing a target with a special name, something like "override-dh-auto-build" or something |
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| 21:03.54 | G-Farkas | stew, Thanks, Ill look for it |
| 21:04.13 | ZitZ | hi, does anyone know a good channel for help with routers and modems, or would it be okay if I ask here? (I use debian obviously) |
| 21:04.41 | Ox41 | Ox41: Did you nose around to see if there was anything interesting on it? Or is it one of your old ones? |
| 21:04.45 | Ox41 | it wont boot, sir. |
| 21:04.50 | unforgiven512 | So, I'm encountering a really weird issue. I'm using debian testing, x86_64. When I get to gdm, I have to unplug my mouse and keyboard, and plug them back in to get them to work. |
| 21:04.52 | Ox41 | so nope, cant nose around. |
| 21:04.55 | unforgiven512 | Any ideas? |
| 21:05.06 | Ox41 | God I sure hope my image is fine. If not im fucked. I had so much stuff on it :\ |
| 21:05.33 | ZitZ | unforgiven512: that sounds like the udev problem, but I'm surprised you've encountered it in testing now |
| 21:05.48 | ZitZ | i'd upgrade to sid udev |
| 21:05.58 | unforgiven512 | ZitZ: I'll check it out |
| 21:06.02 | unforgiven512 | Thanks for the tip |
| 21:06.06 | ZitZ | np |
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| 21:06.24 | unforgiven512 | I think I remember seeing a udev error during boot; I'll check the logs. |
| 21:06.43 | unforgiven512 | is glad he's finally at a desktop, anyhow. |
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| 21:07.49 | unforgiven512 | I spent about 4 hours or so last night using cat /var/log/* | less, nano /etc/*, and ssh + screen + irssi from VTs last night |
| 21:07.57 | unforgiven512 | That was fun |
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| 21:09.00 | emery | Would i do much damage fetching 2.6.39 kernel from experimental while on wheezy ? |
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| 21:09.39 | wols | emery: normally not, but no one guarantees anything |
| 21:09.41 | gnarface | emery: not necessarily |
| 21:09.51 | emery | excellent, thanks |
| 21:09.59 | newl | i'm gonna say yes |
| 21:10.01 | gnarface | emery: make sure not to uninstall the old kernels |
| 21:10.09 | emery | yeah |
| 21:10.13 | emery | i'll just add to grub |
| 21:10.25 | gnarface | emery: i recommend the kernel-package |
| 21:10.30 | newl | emery: report back |
| 21:10.38 | emery | will that setup grub auto ? |
| 21:10.46 | newl | indeed |
| 21:10.47 | emery | using the package from apt |
| 21:10.48 | gnarface | emery: the tool, kernel-package that is. and yes, it will |
| 21:10.56 | emery | excellent |
| 21:10.59 | envirocbr | looks like it was a access.conf thing |
| 21:11.01 | emery | i shall report back ! |
| 21:11.10 | envirocbr | Never had to deal with that in a CentOS environment before |
| 21:11.12 | jetscreamer | wonders what's wrong with http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.39.tar.bz2 |
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| 21:11.56 | MrFrood | jetscreamer: we are too lazy to compile -that's why we use debian :p |
| 21:12.17 | jetscreamer | kernel-package quit compiling you say |
| 21:12.18 | wols | jetscreamer: experimental has a binary, kernel.org doesn't :) |
| 21:12.20 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 21:12.47 | newl | MrFrood: to lazy? or just sly like fox |
| 21:13.11 | MrFrood | in my case - lazy |
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| 21:13.36 | jetscreamer | i'm with you, frood, i gave up compiling for lent |
| 21:13.44 | wols | I had an error message when compiling a kernel, now I'm scared |
| 21:13.44 | jetscreamer | a few years ago |
| 21:13.50 | wols | "No space left on device" :( |
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| 21:14.07 | jetscreamer | delete some of that pron |
| 21:14.16 | ompaul | wols: df -h into pastebin ;-) |
| 21:14.19 | wols | jetscreamer: sometimes it's unavoidable. like when you want to use some very useful patches for your laptop |
| 21:14.25 | newl | or lady gaga midi files |
| 21:14.34 | unforgiven512 | To allow my user to read system logs: sudo adduser unforgiven512 adm |
| 21:14.36 | ompaul | newl: now that is just perverse |
| 21:14.36 | unforgiven512 | correct? |
| 21:15.02 | wols | ompaul: my error was not going through menuconfig and letting it compile this shitton of module drivers. they take space like no tomrrow |
| 21:16.08 | Arrowmaster | unforgiven512: yeah |
| 21:16.51 | unforgiven512 | Thanks :) |
| 21:17.27 | unforgiven512 | Where does udev log to? |
| 21:17.35 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a small and fast (no kde/gnome deps if possible) image viewer. I tried feh but i can't get resize to work. If possible it should be mostly keyboard-driven. Thanks. |
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| 21:18.24 | gnarface | rudi_s: entrance? |
| 21:18.55 | gnarface | rudi_s: nevermind its not in debian |
| 21:19.10 | rudi_s | np, thanks anyway - in debian if possible ;-) |
| 21:19.26 | MrFrood | rudi_s: image magik :P |
| 21:19.28 | Ox41 | ok, is there ANY reason a debian install would show an ubuntu splash? |
| 21:19.31 | Ox41 | ANY? |
| 21:19.38 | Ox41 | Debian Squeeze, to be specific |
| 21:19.44 | newl | unforgiven512: isn't it sudo adduser -G adm unforgiven512 do you have the user to begin with? |
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| 21:20.17 | rudi_s | MrFrood: `display` from imagemagick? (Or were you just kidding?) |
| 21:20.20 | ompaul | Ox41: no |
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| 21:20.31 | newl | Ox41: did you buy it on ebay? |
| 21:20.59 | jjholt | is there cross compile tools in the repos for x86 -> powerpc |
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| 21:21.05 | ompaul | Ox41: one assumes you did not ever install ubuntu on that box |
| 21:21.23 | jjholt | compiling on a G3 500MHz takes forever |
| 21:21.45 | ompaul | Ox41: do this cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:21.56 | MrFrood | rudi_s: I was kidding but you may want to try Xfimage |
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| 21:22.30 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Hm. In xfe? |
| 21:22.37 | Emery | Linux debian 2.6.39-rc7-486 #1 Thu May 12 10:39:03 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:22.39 | Emery | Worked :) |
| 21:22.40 | jetscreamer | jjholt: i know you can compile for a different arch but i dunno how |
| 21:22.48 | MrFrood | I think so iirc |
| 21:22.54 | rudi_s | (40MiB of disk space ... and a lot of deps I don't need.) |
| 21:23.01 | newl | Emery: even x and sound? |
| 21:23.07 | Emery | yeah |
| 21:23.10 | Emery | all works fine |
| 21:23.27 | newl | wine? |
| 21:23.34 | Emery | don't use wine sorry |
| 21:23.36 | Ox41 | ompaul: nope, its a VPS and it was a fresh one... |
| 21:23.46 | jjholt | in the time it take to extract the kernel source on the G3 it'd be compiled on the PC |
| 21:23.46 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Ah, sorry - aptitude tried to install recommended packages. |
| 21:23.52 | MrFrood | rudi_s: what was the issue with feh |
| 21:24.13 | rudi_s | MrFrood: I haven't found a way to really zoom in/out. |
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| 21:24.37 | newl | rudi_s: left click mouse and move it left right |
| 21:25.09 | rudi_s | newl: Doesn't zoom for me - if possible I'd like to avoid the mouse. |
| 21:25.21 | MrFrood | rudi_s: the + & - keys |
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| 21:25.25 | ompaul | Ox41: you built it from the ground up? |
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| 21:25.57 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Doesn't work for me - maybe because I'm using a tiling window manager. |
| 21:26.15 | rudi_s | If I press +, & or - nothing happens. |
| 21:26.18 | newl | rudi_s: and of course i meant middle mouse |
| 21:26.32 | MrFrood | rudi_s: try floating the window |
| 21:27.17 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Hm, doesn't work. |
| 21:27.23 | rudi_s | (Nothing happens.) |
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| 21:27.45 | rudi_s | newl: That works - but is there a way without the mouse? |
| 21:28.05 | MrFrood | works here in openbox and I'm almost certain it worked in dwm |
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| 21:28.30 | ujjain | Hi, what is a good p2p client for Debain with search capbilities? |
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| 21:29.12 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Hm, no idea what I'm doing wrong. |
| 21:29.26 | Ox41 | ompaul: my VPS host set me up a new machine and popped in the debian "CD", then i built it .. |
| 21:29.28 | MrFrood | rudi_s: check that you do not have auto zoom ticked |
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| 21:29.56 | ompaul | Ox41: do you think that perhaps the question would be better asked of them in that case? |
| 21:29.59 | Guest64321 | can anyone help me out with scripting? |
| 21:30.10 | Guest64321 | I would like to do something like this: |
| 21:30.11 | ompaul | Guest64321: no idea if it is easy or had |
| 21:30.12 | Guest64321 | If ubuntu detected, wget ubuntu.zip |
| 21:30.13 | Guest64321 | if debian detected, wget debian.zip |
| 21:30.15 | foetus | :) |
| 21:30.29 | foetus | ~ |
| 21:30.39 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.03 | Guest64321 | no install |
| 21:31.07 | newl | Guest64321: does uname -a give a start - then cut |
| 21:31.34 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Not ticket, but I just checked the man page again. I have to use the keypad +* - that works. |
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| 21:31.43 | Bushmills | Guest64321: os=$(read os sowehow); wget $os.zip |
| 21:31.52 | MrFrood | rudi_s: :) |
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| 21:32.07 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Is there a way to remap those keys (keypad is too far away)? |
| 21:32.11 | Guest64321 | this will be in a vps |
| 21:32.14 | Guest64321 | uname -a wont work |
| 21:32.29 | MrFrood | rudi_s: no idea |
| 21:32.30 | Ox41 | ompaul: im talking to my host, lol. But hes confused too |
| 21:32.32 | Guest64321 | can I use cat /etc/issue |
| 21:32.55 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Ok. Thanks for your help - feh got a little better ;-) |
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| 21:33.06 | newl | rudi_s: yes they are indeed different keys - check out xvkbd if you want on screen (but i think it need mouse to hit the -/+ on keypad lol |
| 21:33.07 | ZykoticK9 | Guest64321, perhaps "lsb_release -d" or "lsb_release -a" might help? or /etc/issue might be easier |
| 21:33.40 | Bushmills | or look at sources.list? |
| 21:34.03 | rudi_s | newl: ;-) No xvkbd on my system - but if possible I'd like to remap feh's keys, not change them globally. |
| 21:34.08 | Guest64321 | I need it to be scripted |
| 21:34.27 | Bushmills | "let script look at sources.list" |
| 21:34.45 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.04 | Bushmills | what's the cat for? |
| 21:35.08 | foetus | is grinning |
| 21:35.11 | Guest64321 | lol |
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| 21:35.17 | ompaul | stroking |
| 21:35.18 | Guest64321 | thats one part |
| 21:35.19 | rudi_s | Hm - looks like feh can't do what I want (like rotating the image). |
| 21:35.27 | Guest64321 | next would be the logic |
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| 21:35.51 | ompaul | Guest64321: happy web with the search bash eq |
| 21:35.55 | Bushmills | ompaul: echo foo | cat |
| 21:35.58 | Guest64321 | if grep Debian, then download debian.zip |
| 21:35.59 | newl | rudi_s: xmodmap |
| 21:36.01 | rudi_s | Anybody else got an idea for a small/fast image viewer (I tried xifimage but it's too bloated for me - I don't need any menus/status bars/etc. just the image). |
| 21:36.16 | ompaul | Bushmills: aye |
| 21:36.35 | rudi_s | newl: Yeah, could do that. But I'd like to not remap them globally. But as feh won't work for me, no need anymore. Thanks though ;-) |
| 21:36.40 | newl | Bushmills: when does echo display contents of a file? |
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| 21:37.18 | Guest64321 | how would i use the "if"? |
| 21:37.25 | Guest64321 | for that script? |
| 21:37.28 | Bushmills | newl: echo $(cat file) |
| 21:37.46 | foetus | :) |
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| 21:37.53 | newl | lol just use cat file lol |
| 21:38.02 | rudi_s | :-D |
| 21:38.13 | ompaul | newl: no you must do echo$ for the big picture :-/ |
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| 21:38.39 | ompaul | newl: you want to examine the word at the end stick it into a var or read it |
| 21:38.41 | rudi_s | While I'm at it - a fast pdf viewer similar to xpdf but faster (xpdf is too slow for big pdfs) would be great as well. |
| 21:38.43 | ompaul | ohh dea |
| 21:38.50 | ompaul | I'm crashing - night all |
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| 21:38.54 | ompaul | have fun |
| 21:39.10 | Guest64321 | cya |
| 21:39.29 | MrFrood | rudi_s: if you dump X fbi does images and pdf's |
| 21:39.39 | Guest64321 | can anyone help me out with scripting please? |
| 21:39.53 | foetus | bye |
| 21:39.57 | Bushmills | Guest64321: man bash |
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| 21:40.05 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Yeah - but most of the time I use X11, just no DE (only xmonad). |
| 21:40.21 | newl | rudi_s: a man after my own heart |
| 21:40.31 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 21:40.38 | newl | rudi_s: i just load seamonkey and xterm lol |
| 21:40.56 | rudi_s | Everything works fine, only a good image viewer and a faster pdf viewer missing. |
| 21:41.00 | rudi_s | newl: I prefer urxvt ;-) |
| 21:41.07 | adb | !scripts |
| 21:41.14 | jetscreamer | Guest64321: /joi #bash |
| 21:41.19 | jetscreamer | err /join |
| 21:41.27 | newl | rudi_s: i think the problem really is your adversion to mouse ;) |
| 21:42.04 | newl | xvkbd is a virtual keyboard by the way - not a remapping |
| 21:42.30 | Bushmills | if they built LEDs underneath keyboards, one could push the whole keyboard around, in lieu of a mouse :) |
| 21:42.56 | rudi_s | newl: Ah, didn't know that. |
| 21:43.15 | rudi_s | Well, the mouse is so far way ;-) - I really like to use the keyboard most (all) of the time. |
| 21:46.20 | MrFrood | rudi_s: do you have image magik installed ? |
| 21:46.36 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Yes. |
| 21:47.12 | MrFrood | rudi_s: try the command "display image.foo" |
| 21:47.18 | newl | what was that 'real' game where you had to manuveurer a steel ball through a maze with two x/y y/z controls? i think we can get some leds onto it |
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| 21:50.54 | rudi_s | MrFrood: I tried that one - it looks like it has no real mappings (except q) and no documentation. |
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| 21:51.35 | blinki | I need assistance with mod_bw in apache2, it's not limiting any speeds, globally or on per file basis. |
| 21:52.12 | iateadonut | some API's don't work if the website is http://example.com as opposed http://www.example.com - how can i redirect my users to the one with the www when they go to the one without? |
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| 21:52.52 | newl | there aren't many 'debian' questions in this channel .. are there? |
| 21:53.10 | Arrowmaster | iateadonut: if you are using apache, you can do it with mod_rewrite |
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| 21:53.18 | MrFrood | rudi_s: it's all command line driven http://www.imagemagick.org/script/display.php |
| 21:53.39 | blinki | newl: you mean like baselayout questions or what |
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| 21:53.53 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Hm, yeah. But I want to resize the image while viewing it, change its rotation (without saving) and so on. |
| 21:54.06 | steampunkey | hey. is there a way to see how long one's been connected to the net? |
| 21:54.07 | MrFrood | feh :-/ |
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| 21:54.18 | newl | non apache/feh/bash scripting/old board games/ :) |
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| 21:55.22 | steampunkey | connected to the net. how long. |
| 21:55.27 | blinki | don't forget iptables |
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| 21:56.52 | newl | steampunkey: ls -l /var/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd.duid (if you use dhcpcd) and then check the time and open up a calculator |
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| 21:57.11 | rudi_s | :-/ |
| 21:57.36 | steampunkey | newl: don't have that last directory. |
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| 21:57.52 | steampunkey | i have "dhcp", but it doesn't have dhcpcd.duid |
| 21:58.09 | pdtpatrick___ | Question .. debian does not like user names like fname.lname ??? |
| 21:58.19 | pdtpatrick___ | it creates problem with file permissions |
| 21:58.23 | pdtpatrick___ | is this new ? |
| 21:58.36 | Ox41 | who does usernames like that? |
| 21:58.44 | Ox41 | whats wrong with flastname |
| 21:58.48 | Ox41 | flastname01 |
| 21:58.49 | Ox41 | :P |
| 21:58.57 | newl | steampunkey: check /var/run for a corresponding .pid |
| 21:58.57 | pdtpatrick___ | some people do .. im just asking whether it doesn't allow it |
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| 21:59.04 | pdtpatrick___ | because we will be migrating to Debian soon |
| 21:59.19 | pdtpatrick___ | prior servers are fname.lname |
| 21:59.27 | steampunkey | newl: ok |
| 21:59.40 | MrFrood | rudi_s: pqiv ? |
| 22:00.07 | tuggle | hi, I am trying to use active rotating with acpid. The screen rotation script works in a virtual terminal in X and in the console. Other acpid scripts work without issues. Could someone help? |
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| 22:00.40 | steampunkey | newl: ps simply says "yesterday" |
| 22:00.45 | jhutchins | pdtpatrick___: May I suggest that you set up a debian system and play around with it a bit? What are you using now? |
| 22:00.57 | steampunkey | * May 19to be exact (it's May20th here now). |
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| 22:01.42 | pdtpatrick___ | I have debian and ubuntu and gentoo .. |
| 22:01.49 | newl | steampunkey: ps? what |
| 22:02.13 | newl | look for a dhcp*.pid and ls -l it |
| 22:02.58 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Looks quite good - just one problem, I can't move the image. If I zoom in and want to see the right part of the image. |
| 22:03.20 | steampunkey | newl: ehm. i've cat /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid and then ps'd the result |
| 22:03.23 | rudi_s | (pqiv -h doesn't mention any key for that - doesn't even work with the mouse.) |
| 22:03.29 | MrFrood | float ? |
| 22:03.40 | steampunkey | newl: i don't have dhcp* |
| 22:03.49 | newl | steampunkey: read better i said ls -l |
| 22:04.16 | steampunkey | newl: ooo. thanks mate |
| 22:04.25 | steampunkey | nice one |
| 22:04.38 | rudi_s | MrFrood: I need the mouse for that :-/ (and I prefer tiled windows) |
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| 22:06.20 | MrFrood | pqiv is something I looked at briefly a while back so I can't be much help - I tend to use feh or fbi |
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| 22:07.04 | rudi_s | MrFrood: No problem - thanks for your help. |
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| 22:08.36 | MrFrood | I think I do remeber that pqiv had a pretty extensive config file... |
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| 22:09.57 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Hm, can't find anything in the man page or /usr/share/doc/pqiv |
| 22:09.57 | iateadonut | arrowmaster: thank you. i'll also try in #httpd newl |
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| 22:11.00 | rudi_s | And pqiv -h doesn't mention anything about moving the image :-/ |
| 22:11.08 | newl | iateadonut: ask them about redirection and dns ;) |
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| 22:12.47 | rudi_s | But I think I just found one I like, geeqie. It has mappable keys, a clean interface and seems very configurable. I hope I don't find any problems with it ;-) |
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| 22:13.41 | MrFrood | rudi_s: you need to ask the guys over at suckless to write an imageviewer ;) |
| 22:13.53 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 22:15.46 | pashdown | is it possible to change the priority on one package install during preseed? |
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| 22:18.49 | MrFrood | rudi_s: re pdf's apvlv worked quite well in dwm (but I prefer xpdf) |
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| 22:19.13 | rudi_s | MrFrood: Thank you, I'll try apvlv. |
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| 22:19.39 | pushpop | is there a way on my ubuntu machine to tell if my dhcp server is giving out a tftp server I mean |
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| 22:19.48 | pushpop | ugh I mean debian |
| 22:19.55 | Psi-Jack | pushpop: Sure.. Sure... |
| 22:20.00 | pushpop | hehe |
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| 22:20.15 | Psi-Jack | Now, go to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server for the proper help. |
| 22:20.31 | pushpop | its really debian I swer |
| 22:20.44 | pushpop | workstations are ubuntu servers are debian |
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| 22:22.45 | newl | pushpop: what does 'dhcp server is giving out a tftp server' mean? |
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| 22:23.06 | pushpop | nevermind |
| 22:23.10 | pushpop | ifigure it out |
| 22:23.29 | newl | ewh a dink |
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| 22:26.14 | jhutchins | newl: For a PXE boot the dhcp server provides the address of the server to do the tftp for boot. |
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| 22:28.16 | newl | jhutchins: danke |
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| 22:43.54 | KarateKip3 | does anyone know what this is: EADDRINUSE ? |
| 22:45.00 | salvin | KarateKip3: error, address in use? |
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| 22:48.04 | KarateKip3 | salvin: yeah, i figured out that one. But I don't have any knowledge of how to make it go away so my webcams can work again. Are there any commands related to EADDRINUSE which can help me generate a listing of addresses which are in use etc etc so I can eventually solve my webcam problem? |
| 22:49.23 | woshty | why does squeeze installer setup partitions cfdisk wont work with? |
| 22:50.02 | woshty | "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylind" |
| 22:50.27 | salvin | KarateKip3: webcams? i don't know |
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| 22:52.21 | KarateKip3 | salvin: do you know linux commands related to EADDRINUSE which can produce more useful output? Useful output like port number, address etc etc |
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| 22:53.14 | xyzp | i want to dl ecasound.deb but i can not find it |
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| 22:53.27 | salvin | KarateKip3: maybe netstat |
| 22:54.12 | KarateKip3 | ok |
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| 23:02.09 | newl | woshty: try fdisk -l |
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| 23:11.05 | joe6 | hello, I added an old ATI rage 128 card, and the system would not boot up with an error about ext4_fs. I found this link about installing xserver-fbdev. http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/atirage/ is it still valid? |
| 23:11.24 | joe6 | can I install xserver-fbdev and will it recognise my ati card? |
| 23:11.37 | joe6 | i probably would have to do update-grub, but is that all? |
| 23:11.55 | xyzp | i can not connect my bluetoot to my comp, help please |
| 23:11.57 | newl | wonders what an old ati card has to do with ext4_fs - i think it is a coincidence |
| 23:12.16 | joe6 | newl, oh, ok. |
| 23:12.33 | joe6 | but, after I removed the card, the system came up fine. |
| 23:12.34 | itchi | Gona spam fuckbook, at least i wouldn't depress you with my shit |
| 23:12.44 | itchi | sorry all for my shit! |
| 23:13.03 | joe6 | Also, I have been having some "ram not properly seated" bios errors. I am not sure if that caused the ext4_fs issues. |
| 23:13.15 | itchi | I don't like that, life is hard! That's it :/ |
| 23:13.17 | newl | joe6: really? check the dmesg /var/log/messages etc |
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| 23:14.17 | itchi | yah, wrong channel, cool :( |
| 23:14.41 | newl | joe6: reseat the ram and then pastebin the output from the above - especially /var/log/messages - a bad boot messages should be there |
| 23:14.59 | newl | itchi: not necessarily ;) |
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| 23:16.11 | xyzp | no my bluetooth was not there |
| 23:16.44 | itchi | yah, i'm drunken, what could i say; in avaiting my second dad is awaiting his dead; thanks to brain cancer, pfff |
| 23:16.55 | joe6 | newl, ok, thanks. looks like the old messages have been overwritten. I keep reseating the ram. It seems to work when I have the cpu flat down, When I have it standing up, it keeps giving me those bios beeps. |
| 23:17.12 | itchi | but i was taling on #flightgear, yah, that happen when you are drunken heh |
| 23:17.17 | joe6 | btw, what do you think about the ati card? |
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| 23:17.38 | joe6 | newl, do you think installing the xserver-fbdev is a solution? |
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| 23:17.48 | joe6 | for the ati card, I mean? |
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| 23:17.57 | xyzp | what most i do to connect it? |
| 23:18.32 | daemonik | How are iptables supposed to survive reboots? On RHEL there are options in /etc/sysconfig/iptables-config to ensure that iptables are saved on shutdown / reboot, and brought up on system start. My iptables constantly change, as do for most hosts. |
| 23:18.38 | daemonik | Why isn't this included with Debian by default! |
| 23:19.21 | newl | exit |
| 23:20.02 | Arrowmaster | daemonik: look at iptables-persistent package |
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| 23:20.13 | newl | joe6: the /var/log/messages is cummulative and not overwritten - i have that ati card ... in my museum ;) |
| 23:20.29 | joe6 | newl, haha.. |
| 23:20.44 | joe6 | newl, just getting by with what works.. |
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| 23:21.29 | newl | check the /var/log/messages it is long - but should have more info? |
| 23:21.41 | daemonik | Arrowmaster: Will do. |
| 23:21.46 | daemonik | Arrowmaster: Thanks. |
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| 23:22.12 | joe6 | t |
| 23:23.06 | joe6 | newl, just did. it does not have anything about the previous ext4 failures. Could it have failed while being loaded from grub and hence did not get the chance to write to messages? |
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| 23:25.11 | joe6 | newl, it went to the initramfs prompt when it was failing. |
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| 23:28.41 | xyzp | new1, 5-2.2: device descriptor read/64, error -32 |
| 23:28.42 | xyzp | [229241.280000] usb 5-2.2: device descriptor read/64, error -32 |
| 23:28.44 | xyzp | What is wrong? |
| 23:28.54 | balleyne | I'm setting up a new Debian server for email, DNS, web, etc. What should my hostname be in /etc/hostname? |
| 23:29.58 | unforgiven512 | xyzp: Sounds like a problem with the USB device |
| 23:30.48 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: Where is the server located? In the "cloud"? |
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| 23:31.34 | balleyne | unforgiven512: it's a dedicated server at a co-location facility that I'm managing remotely |
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| 23:33.05 | xyzp | unforgiven512, ok, i try to reboot |
| 23:34.00 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: Okay, well, are you aiming to host a "single" domain, or multiple domains? |
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| 23:34.26 | dondelelcaro | balleyne: it should be whatever the name of the machine is |
| 23:34.30 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: I've spent the past few weeks setting up my VPS -- |
| 23:34.34 | balleyne | unforgiven512: there will be multiple domains, but I do have a clear primary domain. |
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| 23:34.57 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: Okay. For instance, my primary domain is "unforgivendevelopment.com" |
| 23:35.22 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: I set my /etc/hostname to oxycontin, and that would make my FQDN "oxycontin.unforgivendevelopment.com" |
| 23:35.45 | unforgiven512 | so, 'echo "coolserver" > /etc/hostname' |
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| 23:36.16 | balleyne | unforgiven512: ah, okay, I was putting the FQDN into /etc/hostname... thanks. |
| 23:36.20 | unforgiven512 | and 'echo "YOUR_MAIN_IP coolserver.yourmaindomain.tld coolserver" >> /etc/hosts" |
| 23:36.35 | unforgiven512 | That second step is important :) |
| 23:37.29 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: If you're interested, and want to take a look at my bash scripts for (basically) automated server setup, they're on my github: https://github.com/unforgiven512/lamp-scripts |
| 23:37.36 | balleyne | unforgiven512: right. Beyond /etc/hosts, do I need a DNS entry for coolserver.yourmaindomain.tld? |
| 23:37.50 | unforgiven512 | That's your call. I have one in my records. |
| 23:38.04 | unforgiven512 | Check out options.conf, install.sh, and setup.sh |
| 23:38.15 | unforgiven512 | And, when you progress into the apache setup, domain.sh may be useful. |
| 23:38.24 | unforgiven512 | It's well suited for a multi-user, multi-site setup. |
| 23:38.38 | unforgiven512 | (Though, I realize, your needs may be different than mine.) |
| 23:38.57 | balleyne | unforgiven512: wonderful, thanks. that helps a lot. :) |
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| 23:40.16 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: No problem :) |
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| 23:40.26 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: Need anything, let me know. I love to help. |
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| 23:43.14 | newl | joe6 do you have the ext4 driver? |
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