| 00:00.03 | torrancew | ITC: you want users of the service to be chrooted in their directory, just as with most FTP servers, right? |
| 00:00.29 | manouch | hello... is there any state of the art how to create website packages? |
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| 00:00.49 | ITC | torrancew: no in the svn parent directory |
| 00:01.00 | manouch | i see that phpmyadmin is put into /usr/share/ |
| 00:01.07 | manouch | for example... |
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| 00:01.26 | torrancew | ITC: fair enough, my point is that you want them to be trapped in the directory served by the SVN+SSH server |
| 00:01.27 | manouch | to i have to provide an apache configuration which makes the website accessible? |
| 00:01.28 | ITC | manouch: yep |
| 00:01.34 | manouch | or other webserver |
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| 00:02.11 | ITC | torrancew: yep, actually mu user can connect to ssh and do svn checkout file:///directory |
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| 00:02.18 | torrancew | manouch: it likely put a config file in /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin |
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| 00:03.01 | torrancew | ITC: the most straightforward way that comes to mind would be to do as nvz mentioned - use debootstrap to create a full, minimal debian chroot, then go into there, and set up your services |
| 00:03.05 | torrancew | and users |
| 00:03.23 | ath_ | Has anyone here tried fail2ban on a Squeeze server? I can't get it to work.. Tried on a box with Lenny without problems... |
| 00:03.25 | torrancew | they may not be trapped to the svn root, but they wouldn't be chrooted |
| 00:03.35 | torrancew | s/wouldn't/would/ |
| 00:03.49 | ITC | yep, in deed, but in fact u see with ldd /usr/bin/svn |
| 00:04.01 | ITC | what it needs to have for librairies |
| 00:04.06 | torrancew | indeed |
| 00:04.09 | ITC | like /bin/bash |
| 00:04.12 | torrancew | you can certainly do it that way, if you'd like |
| 00:04.23 | torrancew | but it is much more tedious |
| 00:05.00 | jpalecek | torrancew, ITC: wouldn't it be easier not using chroot, but using selinux for confining the client? |
| 00:05.20 | torrancew | jpalecek: I avoid SELinux like the plague |
| 00:05.23 | ITC | jpalecek: when not chrooted |
| 00:05.32 | ITC | jpalecek : client s fine |
| 00:06.01 | ITC | jpalecek: ok i lll try that |
| 00:06.39 | jpalecek | torrancew: what's so deadly about selinux? it's nice, theoretically :) |
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| 00:07.17 | Nu^253r | torrancew `' is SELinux that bad?! |
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| 00:08.03 | torrancew | jpalecek: Nu^253r: it's not that I myself fear/mind it so much |
| 00:08.12 | torrancew | but I do have coworkers that admin these boxes with me |
| 00:08.18 | torrancew | and that is a completely different story |
| 00:08.44 | torrancew | it didn't take long for me to get tired of debugging bad SELinux confs |
| 00:09.21 | Nu^253r | oh ok i see |
| 00:09.23 | ath_ | is the fail2ban package in squeeze broken? |
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| 00:14.47 | ITC | manoush: i think you only need a sys link for a light config like #www ls -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ mypmaXXX, don' t forget to put an htaccess and chmod setup directory |
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| 00:17.15 | naryl | Greetings. Is this the right place to talk about wiki.debian.org's content? |
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| 00:18.20 | nvz | lovely... gotta love fat filesystems.. a file just disappeared while I was trying to access it |
| 00:18.30 | naryl | http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Nexuiz There's a link to http://nexuiz.com on this page but neither the site nor the project name belong to GPL Nexuiz anymore. |
| 00:18.44 | nvz | now I gotta go think about how to fsck a f'n encrypted fat filesystem |
| 00:19.12 | naryl | You have the link to a proprientary XBOX360 game on the wiki. ;) |
| 00:19.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | naryl: where has it moved to? |
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| 00:20.32 | naryl | The page is on http://www.nexuiz.com/classic.php ... i.e. xbox360 game's website. And the name was sold to a commercial company. |
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| 00:21.02 | naryl | And most (like 95%) of the developers forked it here: http://www.xonotic.org/ |
| 00:21.16 | naryl | It's nowhere near the release though. |
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| 00:22.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | naryl: perhaps open a bug against nexuiz with the info you've provided here. for me the thrust of the arguement would be 'please replace nexuiz with xonetic when its released' |
| 00:23.08 | naryl | ok, thanks |
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| 00:23.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for noticing |
| 00:24.01 | Iridos | he's not talking about the package, but about the wiki |
| 00:24.10 | Iridos | the package gives http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz for the homepage |
| 00:24.19 | Iridos | naryl, it's a wiki... feel free to correct it |
| 00:24.29 | naryl | Actually I was with the Xonotic community the whole time. Just thought Debian one would be interested to know too. |
| 00:24.41 | naryl | Iridos: it redirects to the commercial game's website. |
| 00:24.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Iridos: if thats no longer a valid place to get the game, then it should be noted |
| 00:24.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Iridos: and alientrap redirects to teh subpage of nexuiz.com |
| 00:24.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, naryl beat me to that. |
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| 00:26.42 | naryl | Here's almost the whole story: http://www.xonotic.org/the-game/faq/ |
| 00:27.13 | Iridos | Kamping_Kaiser, hm, it's still offering the download of the "FULL zip from Sourceforge.net", but that just loops back |
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| 00:27.53 | Iridos | I wonder what happens if the source is unavailyble... perhaps just remove the homepage-entry |
| 00:28.03 | ChrisPartridge | Would anyone know why my "load averages" show as 0,0,0 in top? The machine is definately under some light stress.. |
| 00:28.08 | Iridos | oh, tell a lie, this still links to sf http://downloads.sourceforge.net/nexuiz/nexmappack_r2.zip |
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| 00:28.59 | naryl | Iridos: The release os on sf. http://sourceforge.net/projects/nexuiz/files/NexuizRelease/Nexuiz%202.5.2/ |
| 00:29.13 | Iridos | naryl, well, as I said... feel free to correct the wiki... I think for the package the url is fine, as you cean get to http://sourceforge.net/projects/nexuiz/files/ from there... |
| 00:29.20 | naryl | Illfonic just made sure to remove all liks to it... whatever their reason may be. |
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| 00:29.59 | Raptors | have you guys figured out what was causing the graphics to asplode? |
| 00:30.06 | Iridos | and from what you say the fork would need to be a different package anyway |
| 00:30.16 | vbgunz | does Debian really come on 8 DVDs? I went to download the torrent here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/bt-dvd/ and are they're really 8 DVDs for a full install? |
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| 00:30.25 | Raptors | I managed to get to command line and reinstall the drivers but it still didn't work |
| 00:30.30 | Raptors | I got the black screen of death |
| 00:31.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | vbgunz: 8dvds for the full archive, yes. you dont need 8 to install |
| 00:31.30 | fenugreek | vbgunz: the 'full archive' being significantly more than a base system |
| 00:31.31 | Iridos | vbgunz, it's 8 DVDs to get all packages... everyone just installs from CD1 or DVD1 or even the netinstall and pulls additional packages from the net as-needed |
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| 00:31.50 | Iridos | !tell vbgunz about netinstall |
| 00:32.14 | wooster | i did debootstrap with --arch=amd64, somehow i ended up with a 64 bit kernel and a 32 bit userland |
| 00:32.19 | wooster | any idea how this might have happened |
| 00:32.26 | vbgunz | So, to put this on a pc without a net connection, I can get a base system going from dvd 1 alone? does it contain KDE? |
| 00:32.40 | torrancew | wooster: are you currently running 64 bit on the host box? |
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| 00:33.12 | vbgunz | netinstall might do it |
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| 00:33.37 | torrancew | vbgunz: netinstall is all I use |
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| 00:34.29 | vbgunz | I just want to try a *stable* KDE |
| 00:34.32 | Iridos | !tell vbgunz -about cd contents |
| 00:34.55 | Iridos | vbgunz, impossible for us to know what is on each cd/dvd... but you can check yourself |
| 00:35.21 | fenugreek | well not impossible |
| 00:35.46 | Iridos | by heart? |
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| 00:36.05 | Iridos | well... sure... people learned telephone books by heart |
| 00:36.07 | vbgunz | yeah, im checkign that out. im sorry, I really expected just 1 dvd and from there I assumed KDE would be on it. I saw 8 and came here.. I just feel fatigued atm with all the bugs, I'm almost desperate and not thinking |
| 00:36.13 | fenugreek | Iridos: heh |
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| 00:36.24 | Iridos | beats me why one would do something stupid as that, but... yeah... has happened |
| 00:37.07 | Iridos | I mean... even _reading_ a telefone book is pretty stupid... |
| 00:37.35 | Iridos | fenugreek, right... so you learn the package contents of the 8 DVDs and we'll check on it on a month |
| 00:37.38 | Iridos | and no cheating! |
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| 00:37.58 | vbgunz | yeah, kde is on dvd 1 or cd 7 |
| 00:38.07 | fenugreek | Iridos: you misunderstand |
| 00:38.12 | SAM_theman | hello folks, i gotta a question from my das |
| 00:38.14 | SAM_theman | *dad |
| 00:38.18 | fenugreek | when you said "impossible for us to know", I read that as know, not "have memorized" |
| 00:38.30 | fenugreek | SAM_theman: I got an answer for your das *dad |
| 00:38.32 | SAM_theman | he wants to know how does he install the nvidia driver for D6.0.1 |
| 00:38.43 | SAM_theman | fenugreek: lol |
| 00:38.44 | fenugreek | SAM_theman: the proprietary one? |
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| 00:38.54 | Iridos | fenugreek, that _is_ knowing, no? I mean we can look it up, but so can he |
| 00:39.17 | fenugreek | Iridos: not sure why we'd need both words 'know' and 'remember', then |
| 00:39.34 | fenugreek | SAM_theman: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:40.02 | Iridos | fenugreek, well, I *know* I'm right, but I don't want to remember why we started this stupid argument anyway |
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| 00:40.35 | fenugreek | we didn't, you did =P |
| 00:40.45 | vbgunz | I like cutting edge and use kubuntu. I'm not sure if it's really just cutting edge or knowing I am up to date but how do you debian folk do it? I want to see what the hype is all about but anybody been around the block, maybe tried both distros (maybe more) what are the reasons to really stick with debian? just stable? |
| 00:40.51 | Iridos | !tell SAM_theman -about nvidia |
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| 00:41.20 | vbgunz | !tell vbgunz -about nvidia |
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| 00:41.41 | fenugreek | vbgunz: Ubuntu is sourced from Debian sid, IIRC |
| 00:41.53 | fenugreek | it's really just cutting edge (unstable) Debian |
| 00:42.09 | Iridos | SAM_theman, msg the bot for the sub-topic relevant for you... you probably want to /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 00:42.11 | torrancew | vbgunz: I prefer debian after being continually disappointed by Ubuntu's stability |
| 00:42.12 | fenugreek | anyways, you can always install any version package on any branch of any distro, if you really want to |
| 00:42.59 | SAM_theman | Iridos: hehe |
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| 00:44.11 | vbgunz | I been using ubuntu since Hoary. switched to kde about 2 years ago. I got a new disc and I've dedicated 4 primary partitions to trying out new distros. this my first time looking into completely different distros. just super tired of the bugs and crashing, etc looking for something different |
| 00:44.17 | Iridos | vbgunz, why would I want to upgrade my system every 6 months? |
| 00:44.29 | fenugreek | vbgunz: sheesh, use a VM |
| 00:44.41 | vbgunz | Iridos: my last upgrade went very smooth |
| 00:45.00 | Iridos | but was it FUN? |
| 00:45.19 | Raptors | LoneTech: did you figure it out? |
| 00:46.05 | Iridos | anyways usually takes months until _everything_ runs exactly like you want after a new install... and same goes to a lesser extent for an update |
| 00:46.19 | vbgunz | Iridos: fun? no but I am not constantly at the pc so I upgraded before going to bed |
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| 00:46.24 | Iridos | it's enough when that happens ~every 3 years |
| 00:46.51 | vbgunz | so debian fixes bugs though? |
| 00:47.02 | pipeline | vbgunz: sometimes |
| 00:47.03 | Iridos | yes... backports fixes |
| 00:47.17 | Iridos | that's what security.debian.org is for |
| 00:47.20 | pipeline | vbgunz: debian makes enough changes to packages that it's important for debian to coordinate bug reports BEFORE bothering the upstream guys, since sometimes the bugs are not actually in the upstream package |
| 00:47.36 | vbgunz | I just gotta see the hype for myself |
| 00:47.41 | vbgunz | you guys live without flash? |
| 00:47.47 | Iridos | no |
| 00:47.54 | torrancew | vbgunz: we have flash... |
| 00:48.09 | vbgunz | just asking, I am sure I'll get to it, just asking |
| 00:48.10 | fenugreek | vbgunz: again, Ubuntu is sourced from Debian, and even further than that, all distros have the same capabilities, deep down |
| 00:48.13 | Iridos | although... considering flash, it might be a better life :-P |
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| 00:50.57 | vacho | I like ubuntu more then debian |
| 00:51.06 | fenugreek | vacho: why's that? |
| 00:51.16 | fenugreek | I bet you like Ubuntu's configuration of GNOME more than Debian's, is all |
| 00:51.22 | prince_jammys | so you used to like ubuntu, but then debian? |
| 00:51.23 | vbgunz | not trying to start a flamewar man, I feel bad even mentioning ubuntu |
| 00:51.40 | vacho | lol, i was just joking, I thought ubuntu is debian? |
| 00:52.11 | prince_jammys | snore |
| 00:52.18 | vbgunz | I'm really just tired of what used to be stable is now turning into a hive of frustration. |
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| 00:52.52 | vbgunz | I just tried opensuse installed onto my disk and I don't like the yum already. I am thinking I might be prejudice for apt |
| 00:52.53 | \amethyst | Ubuntu : Debian :: Canada : England sure they have the same Queen (her name is Sid), but the government policies often differ |
| 00:53.06 | torrancew | vbgunz: give debian a try; I think you'll like it |
| 00:53.18 | vacho | ?????? |
| 00:53.26 | fenugreek | vacho: yes? |
| 00:53.34 | torrancew | vbgunz: also, after wheezy cools down, you may consider running testing, if you are unhappy with the age of the software in your repos |
| 00:53.41 | torrancew | I've done that on workstations, but wouldn't on a server |
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| 00:54.37 | mernilio | Hi all, can i saay something about my free software cat? |
| 00:54.38 | vbgunz | thats the thing I don't think I can get over atm. I don't know why I feel like I need the latest software and updates (must be my windows mentality) |
| 00:55.09 | torrancew | vbgunz: you just haven't been cut badly enough by bleeding edge yet :) |
| 00:55.16 | prince_jammys | mernilio: is it better than gnu cat? |
| 00:55.17 | Iridos | \amethyst, so who's King (and Sid is really a weird name for a queen) |
| 00:55.43 | prince_jammys | sid used to perform a song about the queen |
| 00:55.53 | vbgunz | torrancew: you know, I am seriously considering debian only because I think I might just be going through your reference just buuuutt sloooow.. everyday it's getting worse. it was never like this |
| 00:56.01 | \amethyst | she ain't no human being |
| 00:56.19 | Iridos | Bee? |
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| 00:56.42 | mernilio | Well. his name is richard. it's the most lazy cat i have ever met. It's not our cat even. He's the belonging of our neigbours. |
| 00:56.46 | torrancew | vbgunz: I really agree. I installed 10.10 a few months ago for an HTPC, and was saddened by the results |
| 00:56.53 | torrancew | bugs in the *updater* for pete's sake |
| 00:56.57 | mernilio | prince_jammys: it's a gnu cat i assure you! :-D |
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| 00:57.08 | fenugreek | would never use Ubuntu for an HTPC |
| 00:57.34 | torrancew | fenugreek: what would you go with? |
| 00:58.01 | Iridos | oh my gosh... Australia, too |
| 00:58.07 | fenugreek | torrancew: something that didn't install a desktop environment by default, or something custom built for HTPCs |
| 00:58.17 | torrancew | :) |
| 00:58.19 | torrancew | fair |
| 00:58.27 | torrancew | I needed it to be dual use for a short time |
| 00:58.28 | fenugreek | there are some mythtv and xmbc, etc. specific distros out there, I think |
| 00:58.32 | fenugreek | ah |
| 00:58.44 | torrancew | yeah, I put XBMC on, and don't use the standard Ubuntu sessions |
| 00:58.52 | prince_jammys | i have a debian box running only xbmc, runs like a charm. |
| 00:58.56 | torrancew | especially anymore (no longer dual use) |
| 00:59.39 | vbgunz | It just used to be amazing. I remember running ubuntu on a pentium 4 with 1gb and being up-to-date was stable. later on I have a 3.4quad 64 8gb of memory, ssd, etc and it's frigging terrible. I don't know what happened since dapper but im tired. gonna see what happens |
| 00:59.44 | torrancew | ultimately, for that box I wanted recent nvidia binary drivers (atom/ion box), and a short setup |
| 01:00.33 | SAM_theman | seems a little extreme to install nvidia drivers on debian |
| 01:00.48 | SAM_theman | the nouve way isn't that stable from what wiki says |
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| 01:01.17 | pipeline | SAM_theman: easiest solution: use the dkms and nvidia-glx from 'experimental' |
| 01:01.43 | vbgunz | I have an nvidia card |
| 01:01.48 | astory | I'm trying to download the cd with jigdo, but there's over 50 different files on the server, and none of them are large enough to be a CD image. Am I supposed to download them all and cat them together, or what? |
| 01:02.14 | fenugreek | don't use jidgo |
| 01:02.18 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:02.21 | ajikeshi | what is jigdo? |
| 01:02.33 | ajikeshi | and.. well 40MB is enough for an install cd |
| 01:02.39 | astory | I'm trying to try out debian for the first time since 2006, and the website suggests to use it :/ |
| 01:02.46 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 01:02.46 | pipeline | astory: jigdo is a script that will download the sections and assemble them for you |
| 01:02.50 | fenugreek | astory: well I'm suggesting you ignore it |
| 01:02.52 | pipeline | astory: I recommend you use the "netinstall" CD image instead |
| 01:02.54 | ajikeshi | i thought theyd suggest torrent |
| 01:03.00 | SAM_theman | astory: lol my dad is right next to you man |
| 01:03.15 | astory | pipeline: my wifi sucks and is intermittent, and I'd rather have it all downloaded before hand |
| 01:03.15 | SAM_theman | astory: he wants to use it but, he wants 3D support. |
| 01:03.34 | astory | so I should just use a regular download or a torrent? |
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| 01:04.09 | fenugreek | astory: regular, HTTP |
| 01:04.50 | astory | fenugreek: ok, thanks :D |
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| 01:07.36 | vbgunz | whats better? apt or aptitude? |
| 01:07.48 | tonsofpcs | vi |
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| 01:07.53 | fenugreek | vbgunz: depends |
| 01:08.05 | fenugreek | aptitude is generally easier to understand, but can occasionally be smarter than you want it to be |
| 01:08.32 | fenugreek | usually when you're trying to maintain already-installed packages, though, not new ones |
| 01:08.32 | ath_ | is there some users at all in /etc/passwd that should have /bin/sh as shell except root? |
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| 01:09.42 | vbgunz | I just googled "why debian" and I came across debians "why debian" page (what are the odds?) and so, it says, apt is found in older releases while aptitude is found in newer releases. I always knew about aptitude and used it a few times but I always end up just using apt |
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| 01:10.22 | torrancew | I have seen instances where aptitude is more intelligent in decision-making than apt, as well as the opposite |
| 01:10.29 | fenugreek | same |
| 01:10.47 | fenugreek | intelligent -> does what is expected |
| 01:10.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | vbgunz: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 01:10.55 | torrancew | of course :) |
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| 01:11.00 | peterrooney | that might explain why both are still in use |
| 01:11.06 | torrancew | because the user is *always* intelligent :) |
| 01:11.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think it has a why aptitide, why apt, why not apt |
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| 01:11.13 | fenugreek | torrancew: heh |
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| 01:13.14 | vbgunz | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
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| 01:13.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 01:14.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | ath_: do you hate your users? if you do, /bin/sh is probably a good choice for them |
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| 01:15.19 | Fear|away| | is now away: Gone To Work [ 21:15:18 ] |
| 01:15.34 | \amethyst | /bin/sh is commonly used for "system" users that need a shell for whatever reason |
| 01:16.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | Fear|away|: please turn that off |
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| 01:20.16 | puff | Is there any obvious/easy way to get the name for my particular release? E.g. I can do "uname -a" or "cat /etc/debian_version", but that just gives me a number, and it seems nobody in the debian world really uses the numbers in, they use the names (etch, sid, lenny, squeeze, etc). |
| 01:20.22 | puff | I can, of course, google on the debian release number to get the release name, but I'm wondering if there's any way to get it directly from the shell. |
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| 01:20.52 | scx | hello |
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| 01:21.51 | fenugreek | scx: hi |
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| 01:22.51 | scx | how to turn off usb device/port? |
| 01:23.08 | fenugreek | puff: http://www.debianadmin.com/find-your-debian-or-ubuntu-linux-version-you-are-running.html ? |
| 01:23.45 | scx | Debian testing/unstable, kernel 2.6.38 |
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| 01:25.56 | tonsofpcs | scx: unplug it? :) |
| 01:26.36 | scx | tonsofpcs: yuuu, no? |
| 01:26.55 | scx | i need to turn off device from script |
| 01:27.44 | scx | i used "echo suspend > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1/power/level" |
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| 01:27.53 | scx | but it doesnt work anymore |
| 01:28.09 | scx | i get error: |
| 01:28.10 | scx | -bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument |
| 01:28.41 | scx | "In kernels up to 2.6.32, you could also specify "suspend", meaning that the device should remain suspended and autoresume was not allowed. This setting is no longer supported." |
| 01:28.50 | h3n | hello everyone - ive got an Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 01:29.01 | h3n | but on the install i have no xorg.conf |
| 01:29.03 | scx | h3n: so buy nvidia |
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| 01:29.38 | h3n | driconf can't detect my onboard card either |
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| 01:29.53 | fenugreek | h3n: ...and? |
| 01:29.54 | h3n | i'm thinking because of my empty xorg.conf |
| 01:30.01 | fenugreek | unlikely |
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| 01:30.31 | h3n | fenugreek: could you elaborate? |
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| 01:31.06 | fenugreek | h3n: what does your Xorg.0.log say? |
| 01:31.53 | vbgunz | If I wanted a more up-to-date version of debian and its packages, testing would be a better fit? I'm reading up on it and it sounds smart. Am I crazy? |
| 01:32.31 | h3n | fenugreek: that file doesn't exsist in /etc/X11 |
| 01:32.53 | fenugreek | vbgunz: I usually install testing, but you should be prepared to get your hands dirty |
| 01:32.57 | fenugreek | h3n: in /var/log/ |
| 01:33.18 | vbgunz | is btrfs in testing? |
| 01:33.30 | h3n | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:34.15 | fenugreek | h3n: grep EE /var/log/Xorg*log |
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| 01:35.56 | h3n | fenugreek: http://pastebin.com/XAfqsJnu |
| 01:36.13 | h3n | fenugreek: here is the whole log file http://pastebin.com/PkM5U3WG |
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| 01:37.53 | vbgunz | a real reason why I avoided aptitude -> APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 01:37.55 | vbgunz | heh |
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| 01:38.31 | nevyn | meh it's only disk space |
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| 01:39.13 | h3n | fenugreek: why don't you think it's not a xorg.conf issue? |
| 01:39.20 | h3n | do* |
| 01:39.28 | fenugreek | h3n: modern Xorg doesn't usually need a xorg.conf |
| 01:39.53 | fenugreek | h3n: did you have an actual problem? |
| 01:40.13 | vbgunz | boom! my torrent is done, gonna burn it up! |
| 01:40.26 | fenugreek | vbgunz: wear mitts |
| 01:40.35 | vbgunz | it's 6.0 |
| 01:40.44 | vbgunz | stable |
| 01:40.46 | vbgunz | heh |
| 01:41.03 | fenugreek | (re: burn) |
| 01:41.08 | h3n | fenugreek: i was just seeing if the intel onboard card could handle a game |
| 01:41.33 | h3n | it wouldn't run so i was thinking maybe it was a xorg.conf issue because there wasent one |
| 01:41.41 | vbgunz | fenugreek: I wasn't born stupid but when I do I do it with a lot of whooosh. sorry man |
| 01:42.09 | fenugreek | h3n: was there an error message? |
| 01:42.15 | fenugreek | vbgunz: =P |
| 01:42.27 | h3n | fenugreeek: well when i run driconf |
| 01:42.30 | h3n | i get this message |
| 01:42.46 | h3n | Could not detect any configurable direct-rendering capable devices. DRIconf will be started in expert mode. |
| 01:43.06 | h3n | so the card is not capable rendering |
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| 01:43.43 | dudz_ | hey i got a question, during the installation process of debian i was having problems detecting my internet connection, this board i have has 2 onboard ports i tried switching the ports and eventually one worked, |
| 01:44.08 | dudz_ | but the problem im' having now when the machine is booted up without changing anything from the install, the network is not obtaining an ip address |
| 01:44.17 | boudiccas | dudz_, so? whats the question? |
| 01:45.01 | vbgunz | dudz_: mac filters? that use to always frigging catch me out there |
| 01:45.27 | dudz_ | where would the mac filters be ? on the isp side ? |
| 01:45.36 | vbgunz | on the router |
| 01:45.54 | dudz_ | no router |
| 01:45.56 | vbgunz | just a thought |
| 01:45.59 | dudz_ | hmm |
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| 01:46.12 | vbgunz | dudz_: by any chance you have a gigabyte board? |
| 01:46.20 | dudz_ | no its an intel |
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| 01:46.30 | vbgunz | curious |
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| 01:47.30 | Onryo | Is there a reason the when I compile Blender I am getting this "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltk8.5" How do I get to the bottom of what is causing this? |
| 01:47.54 | dudz_ | there is 2 onboard gbit nics, i noticed the e1000 was not loaded so i tried loading that and testing the intel nic, the other one i beleive is a marvel neither of them would work though. |
| 01:48.06 | dudz_ | e1000 is for intel gbit nics i think right ? |
| 01:48.16 | Onryo | About 45min into the compiling I keep getting that darn error. |
| 01:49.10 | fenugreek | Onryo: is there a reason you're compiling it at all? |
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| 01:51.13 | Onryo | Yes because I am developing it. I have under /opt/ python3.2 that is static. I have linked the svn code to 3.2. All works fine until I get that error. |
| 01:51.56 | puff | Anybody know about lame vs glame vs twolame vs toolame? |
| 01:52.13 | puff | fenugreek: Thanks. |
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| 01:52.32 | peterrooney | puff: sounds like a round robin tourney is in order |
| 01:52.50 | h3n | fenugreek: glxinfo says i have direct rendering |
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| 01:53.05 | h3n | driconf says screen '0' is not direct rendering capable |
| 01:53.24 | puff | fenugreek: Thanks for the URL, but it doesn't really answer my question. |
| 01:53.49 | puff | fenugreek: I already knew how to get the number, I was asking if there was any shell command to get the name associated with the number. |
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| 01:55.53 | Onryo | fenugreek The only thing on my system that is not squeeze stable is a self compiled python3.2. My like I said the only thing that touches that python is Blender that I enjoy developing. I see a bug report Bug#536985 for matplotlib and I am wondering if that could have something to do with this. But that is from 2009 |
| 01:56.00 | Off | puff: lsb_release -a doesn't answer your question ? |
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| 01:56.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | Onryo: do you hae tk8.4 available? |
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| 01:57.20 | puff | Off: command not found. |
| 01:57.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions tk8.4 |
| 01:57.28 | judd | Package tk8.4 on i386 -- lenny: 8.4.19-2; sid: 8.4.19-4; squeeze: 8.4.19-4; wheezy: 8.4.19-4 |
| 01:57.34 | puff | Is lsb_release left out of the basic install? |
| 01:57.41 | Onryo | Kamping_Kaiser just for the sake of being ultra sure let me look again. |
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| 01:58.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | it may need the dev package not just the binary too |
| 01:59.39 | Onryo | Kamping_Kaiser yes I have tk8.4.19.4-dev |
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| 02:00.21 | Off | puff: i think you should install it, just check lsb-release |
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| 02:00.31 | Off | puff: or you can cat /etc/issue.net |
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| 02:01.40 | puff | Off: Nope, still just numbers. |
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| 02:01.46 | Onryo | Kamping_Kaiser to be more precise I have both tk8.4 and tk8.4-dev |
| 02:01.47 | puff | Off: However, I just figured it out... check /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 02:02.06 | \amethyst | what do you do if someone has mixed archives? :) |
| 02:02.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Onryo: then your library path is probably wrong. i'd suggest asking teh blender people if they can help you with the build |
| 02:03.06 | Off | puff: well... yeah. |
| 02:03.15 | Onryo | Kamping_Kaiser I think you might be right about that. |
| 02:03.15 | \amethyst | lsb-release has a fair amount of code to deal with various cases |
| 02:03.43 | \amethyst | checking debian_version, the apt config, etc; and it has its own version-number-to-codename table |
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| 02:03.56 | puff | How do you get lsb_release if it's not installed? |
| 02:04.23 | Off | puff: by installing it. :-/ |
| 02:04.28 | puff | Is there an easy way to diff a file such that you can get a simple answer as to whether file2 is simply a large chunk of file1? |
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| 02:05.15 | \amethyst | contiguous chunk or are you just asking whether every line in file2 occurs in file1? |
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| 02:05.23 | puff | Off: Oddly enough, I already _tried_ searching apt for lsb_release, and didn't find it. |
| 02:05.36 | Off | puff: lsb-release, not lsb_release. |
| 02:05.37 | \amethyst | the package name is lsb-release with a hyphen |
| 02:05.37 | puff | \amethyst: Etiher, I guess. |
| 02:05.42 | puff | Oy... of course. :-) |
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| 02:06.29 | \amethyst | puff: for the latter you could try diff -u file1 file2 | grep -v '+++' | grep -q '+' |
| 02:06.29 | puff | \amethyst: I have two files, One is longer, I am trying to determine if one is a superset of the other, in which case I will simply take the superset, or if there is data in the first that I need to merge into the longer file. |
| 02:06.52 | \amethyst | that is, unified diff them and see if there were any lines added |
| 02:07.10 | darkstego | where in the netinstall do I specify KDE as the desktop? |
| 02:07.27 | \amethyst | oop |
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| 02:07.41 | \amethyst | grep -v '^+++' | grep -q '+' |
| 02:07.51 | puff | \amethyst: Returns no output, but wouldn't the -q just suppress all output? |
| 02:07.54 | puff | Ah, right. |
| 02:08.00 | \amethyst | yeah, it sets the exit status |
| 02:08.02 | \amethyst | gah |
| 02:08.05 | \amethyst | grep -v '^+++' | grep -q '^+' |
| 02:08.10 | \amethyst | I can't type carets today |
| 02:08.12 | vbgunz | I decided to install debian 6 into vbox. if it becomes unbearable I'll do an install on the disk |
| 02:08.15 | puff | And don't I need to escape the plusses? |
| 02:08.21 | vbgunz | thanks fellas, gonna relax a bit, I feel much much better now |
| 02:08.35 | \amethyst | puff: no, plus is a plain character in basic regexps |
| 02:08.44 | \amethyst | puff: it's only special in extended regexps |
| 02:08.46 | puff | Ah, cool. Hm, still no output. |
| 02:08.48 | \amethyst | and Perl regexps |
| 02:08.56 | \amethyst | it sets the exit status |
| 02:08.58 | puff | Ah, that's why, I use perl regexes a lot. |
| 02:08.58 | \amethyst | try |
| 02:08.58 | Onryo | Kamping_Kaiser I think I answered my own question "cannot find -ltk8.5" and I just said I have tk8.4 |
| 02:09.12 | puff | I'm not sure what you mean by "it sets the exit status". |
| 02:09.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Onryo: ah, well spotted |
| 02:09.35 | puff | That is, how the heck do I read that? |
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| 02:09.45 | puff | Er, how the heck to I read the exit status? |
| 02:09.51 | \amethyst | puff: if diff -u file1 file2 | grep -v '^+++' | grep -q '^+'; then echo "probably not a subset"; else echo "subset"; fi |
| 02:09.58 | Onryo | Kamping_Kaiser I wish stupidity was painful!!!! =P |
| 02:10.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | puff: in bash $? contains the last commands exit code |
| 02:10.22 | puff | Ah, cool. I've never gotten that fancy in the shell, I just jump to doing it in perl. |
| 02:10.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Onryo: hehe. good luck with the rest of the build |
| 02:10.46 | \amethyst | there could be false negatives, if the diff gets misaligned and some line gets both added and subtracted |
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| 02:12.03 | \amethyst | in particular, if the order of lines change this will say it's not a subset |
| 02:12.10 | tmm1 | i have two packages that should install together, but are conflicting. is there a verbose mode i can use to see why apt thinks the dependencies are unmet |
| 02:12.36 | \amethyst | tmm1: I use aptitude's interactive mode for that |
| 02:13.10 | tmm1 | cool let me give that a try |
| 02:13.33 | \amethyst | tmm1: find one package, expand it, see which dependency is red; if none, find the other package and do the same; if still none, mark them both to be installed (with +) and check again :) |
| 02:14.29 | \amethyst | actually, if you're looking for the conflict, go ahead and mark them both to be installed *then* look for broken dependencies |
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| 02:15.18 | \amethyst | also, the search /~b will take you to the next broken package (in case the breakage is in some distantly related package) |
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| 02:17.50 | puff | Btw, so the package is named lsb-release, but when I did "sudo aptitude search lsb_release" it didn't seem to come up either. |
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| 02:18.09 | puff | Maybe it's a terminal emulation problem, I saw some funkiness. |
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| 02:19.52 | un214 | or is it - vs _ |
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| 02:20.40 | puff | Is that a bug? |
| 02:21.07 | puff | un214: The command is lsb_release. The package is lsb-release. Fair enough, but it ought to show up when you search on the command name, ought it not? |
| 02:21.23 | \amethyst | !apt-file |
| 02:21.23 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 02:25.41 | puff | \amethyst: Good to know, but wouldn't it be even better if "lsb_release" was in the keywords for package lsb-release? |
| 02:26.27 | \amethyst | if you were consistent about that, there would be a tag for every executable name |
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| 02:26.56 | \amethyst | which would more or less duplicate what apt-file does... it would be nice if aptitude could search the apt-file cache, though |
| 02:27.03 | \amethyst | but alas it cannot |
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| 02:28.18 | puff | \amethyst: Well, especially for packages that pretty much consist of just one command. |
| 02:28.39 | puff | One nice bit that ubuntu has, if you enter a command that's missing, it suggests the package that might contain it. |
| 02:28.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | that pisses me off -.- |
| 02:29.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | puff: fwiw, its 'command-not-found' |
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| 02:31.06 | FireSlash | Hi guys. I just upgraded to squeeze, and MySQL didn't quite make it. Getting 110512 22:30:09 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. |
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| 02:31.11 | FireSlash | But mysql_upgrade isn't on the system anywhere |
| 02:31.29 | FireSlash | Any ideas on where I'd find it? |
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| 02:32.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | FireSlash: mysql-server-5.1: /usr/bin/mysql_upgrade |
| 02:32.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | FireSlash: sure mysql packages are instlaled correctly? |
| 02:32.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 02:33.23 | FireSlash | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah, its not there. And yes, the package is installed. I'll try removing and reinstalling |
| 02:33.52 | FireSlash | Hmm thats weird |
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| 02:35.39 | FireSlash | reinstalling gets the script, but it doesn't run still |
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| 02:38.22 | FireSlash | ok, looks like skip-bdb in the conf file actually prevented it from starting, NOT the missing plugin tables. |
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| 02:39.09 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... do i need anything else but main , extra squeeze repos to install kde-full package ? |
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| 02:39.54 | lastnode | is there a recommended debian ami? |
| 02:39.56 | lastnode | for ec2 |
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| 02:42.34 | somiaj | lastnode: just look over the offical ones, I'm sure there is some varity because not everyone wants the same setup....either that or create your own. |
| 02:42.46 | tmm1 | \amethyst: i still can't really figure out what's going on. i'm trying to install libmysqlclient15off which depends on mysql-common >= 5.0, with percona-server-common 5.1 which provides/conflicts/replaces mysql-common |
| 02:43.06 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: you should be able to install the kde-full from just main, extra/non-free should just have suggested ore recomended pacakges. |
| 02:43.22 | puff | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks. |
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| 02:43.36 | cobra-the-joker | somiaj: ok |
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| 02:45.57 | lastnode | somiaj: the official ones only have rpm based distros |
| 02:46.09 | lastnode | if you mean community made/ public ones, there are a lot of debian ones, made by many people |
| 02:48.29 | somiaj | lastnode: I create my own images, but I thought there was a few major offical debian images besides the community based ones. |
| 02:48.45 | somiaj | lastnode: but I'd cruse the aws forums, find out which one is suggested -- has the software you want on it. |
| 02:49.55 | tmm1 | \amethyst: https://gist.github.com/969882 |
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| 02:50.25 | lastnode | somiaj: yeah ec2tools is definitely an option |
| 02:50.31 | lastnode | it's just taht due to some technical limitations |
| 02:50.39 | lastnode | an official / debian supported ami |
| 02:50.40 | lastnode | would be great |
| 02:50.42 | lastnode | thanks anyway :) |
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| 02:51.17 | somiaj | lastnode: yea I haven't looked around at the ec2 images since I built a few a few years back -- someone may have more current info. |
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| 02:53.37 | \amethyst | tmm1: you need to install the version of libmysqlcommon15off from the percona repository |
| 02:54.13 | lastnode | somiaj: i guess these guys are the wayt o go http://groups.google.com/group/ec2debian |
| 02:54.17 | \amethyst | tmm1: it's been modified to have an unversioned dependency on mysql-common, so the Provides: in percona-server-common can satisfy it |
| 02:54.22 | lastnode | though why amazon doesnt support debian officailly baffles me |
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| 02:54.39 | xhun | hola hablan espaol aqui |
| 02:54.46 | dvs | !es |
| 02:54.46 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 02:54.48 | lastnode | xhun: #debian-es |
| 02:54.54 | \amethyst | tmm1: err, libmysqlclient15off rather |
| 02:54.56 | xhun | ok |
| 02:54.58 | xhun | gracias |
| 02:55.23 | tmm1 | oh there's a modified version? |
| 02:56.39 | \amethyst | tmm1: yeah, according to their Packages file |
| 02:57.03 | Craigwd_2000 | What's the magic switch or -- option that tells apt to install everything including the recommeded stuff then...? That's what I can't figure out... |
| 02:57.15 | \amethyst | tmm1: e.g. the Lenny i386 version is at http://repo.percona.com/apt/pool/main/p/percona-sql-dfsg-5.0/libmysqlclient15off_5.0.92-b23.87.lenny_i386.deb |
| 02:57.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.06 | lastnode | somiaj: if one wants to be sure that an image only has approved debian packages |
| 02:58.13 | lastnode | i guess rolling your own ami is the only option, right? |
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| 02:59.22 | \amethyst | tmm1: or maybe you don't need it, since that usually goes with 5.0 rather than the 5.1 you are installing |
| 02:59.39 | Craigwd_2000 | Wols: not on my PC laptop...; apt-get is so ill behaved on my PC due to incomplete Kernel drivers/modules & the like...; my Atheros AR9285 never works right in Linux...; only in WinXP Pro. SP 3... |
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| 02:59.43 | tmm1 | \amethyst: amazing, thanks |
| 02:59.52 | tmm1 | feel like an idiot for wasting hours on this |
| 02:59.52 | \amethyst | tmm1: depends on whether you have other packages which depend on that library |
| 03:00.03 | \amethyst | tmm1: you can check that under "packages which depend on..." |
| 03:00.13 | \amethyst | if you don't, you can just remove it |
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| 03:00.37 | tmm1 | yea i have a few that need it |
| 03:00.57 | wols | Craigwd_2000: and what have thse things to do with apt recommended settings?. apt doesn't ill behave due to kernel settings |
| 03:01.03 | \amethyst | you might get warnings about mixing different client and server versions |
| 03:01.26 | \amethyst | but it should still work I believe |
| 03:01.58 | Craigwd_2000 | I honestly don't know...; maybe my PC is just to new... |
| 03:02.07 | \amethyst | (warnings from the programs that use the library) |
| 03:02.55 | wols | Craigwd_2000: ar9285 is supported by squeeze' kernel out of the box. nothing required, at all |
| 03:03.02 | wols | http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 03:03.54 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: get the backported 2.6.38 kernel |
| 03:04.03 | wols | considering the very old asus eee 1005HA uses the same wireless chip, your laptop is not "too new". 1005HA is 2 or 3 years old at least |
| 03:04.39 | Craigwd_2000 | I always end up with pending upgrade issues too...; according to what I read Kernel 2.38.5 fixed some Atheros issues for Draft 802.11n cards like mine... |
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| 03:05.23 | wols | pending upgrade issues are not caused by a kernel. what exactly are those issues? error messages, apt output, etc |
| 03:05.29 | dvs | it fixed mine |
| 03:05.46 | wols | dvs: with? |
| 03:06.04 | dvs | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 03:07.04 | wols | dvs: but you never had apt problems with the old kernel did you? ie either your wlan had a connection or didn't, which is all apt really cares about |
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| 03:08.00 | dvs | wols: Right, it would disconnect without warning at random (it seemed) |
| 03:08.32 | wols | !tell Craigwd_2000 about backports |
| 03:09.19 | Craigwd_2000 | I keep ending up with un-satisfied dependencies... I always use ethernet because of random Wi-Fi coniptions... Wols: I already enabled backports too... |
| 03:09.48 | wols | enabling is not enough. you need to actively install from there or it's not used |
| 03:09.49 | somiaj | lastnode: that is the most sure way, though I'm sure you can find an ami in which holds to debain only standards -- no contrib/non non-free |
| 03:09.52 | wols | !tell Craigwd_2000 about bat |
| 03:10.15 | wols | Craigwd_2000: vage statements are no use to us. we need exact error messages from apt to be able to help you |
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| 03:11.47 | lastnode | somiaj: but there still wont be an easy way to check installed packages against official package lists for main right |
| 03:12.01 | lastnode | someone could install some custom packages which create a backdoor, for example |
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| 03:12.10 | lastnode | then just fix the sources.lst so it looks legit |
| 03:12.11 | lastnode | ? |
| 03:12.25 | lastnode | not to wear a tinfoil hat, but yeah, think ill need to roll my own |
| 03:12.27 | somiaj | lastnode: of course, so find one many people use and have already declared clean from such. |
| 03:12.34 | khaleel5000 | hi on debian squeeze, i have hp dv5 (nvidia 9600m gt, using nvidia drivers) .My laptop screen size is 1280*800.I want to connect external hp lcd default resolution 1600*900. How do i make a twin view (so i can use both screens show same output)? |
| 03:12.51 | lastnode | somiaj: yeah, ive been looking and i cant seem to find one that is widely regarded |
| 03:12.55 | lastnode | that's why i came here |
| 03:13.14 | somiaj | lastnode: they are out there, I'm sure you can read the fourms/reviews/comments on such images yourself. Or get one made by someone you think is creditable -- Personally since images are static and I have lots of custom configs on a server I thought rolling my own made a better image. |
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| 03:14.04 | lastnode | yeah think ill stick with that, somiaj |
| 03:14.15 | lastnode | ive just not found any comments/reviews conclusive |
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| 03:15.12 | somiaj | lastnode: I recall when I built one 3-4 years ago there was a great guide and its easy to build one in a chroot. |
| 03:15.25 | wols | Craigwd_2000: "uname -r" |
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| 03:15.54 | lastnode | somiaj: ive already debootsrapped a fresh install |
| 03:15.56 | lastnode | ona new volume |
| 03:15.58 | somiaj | lastnode: one thing you could do (if your on a slower internet connenction and don't want to upload a large image) is grab a image you think sounds good, boot it up and then just build your image on the could. |
| 03:16.00 | lastnode | i just cant get ec2 tools to work |
| 03:16.09 | lastnode | yeah im doing that, somiaj |
| 03:16.17 | lastnode | i have a volume now |
| 03:16.18 | somiaj | lastnode: I found waiting to upload imaegs took to long here and easier to just build one on elastic storage |
| 03:16.21 | lastnode | which is basically bootable |
| 03:16.32 | lastnode | so i just hav eto create an ami from the snapshot |
| 03:16.39 | lastnode | ec2 register is being dumb though |
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| 03:16.41 | lastnode | about paths |
| 03:16.45 | lastnode | ec2-register |
| 03:16.58 | lastnode | thanks amazon for providing .rpms but not debs |
| 03:17.04 | lastnode | when i convert with alien |
| 03:17.22 | lastnode | ruby cant find paths, ive exported just about every variable i can find |
| 03:17.28 | lastnode | too |
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| 04:12.13 | QaDeS | hiyas. where can i download a debian 5 64 bit netinstall image? |
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| 04:14.32 | streuner | QaDeS: /msg dpkg lenny |
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| 04:54.13 | astruasdh | please, how can I install a source of a lib? |
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| 04:57.46 | kb3gtn | astruasdh: the lib a debian package? |
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| 05:16.02 | shadau | um, hi |
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| 05:16.22 | shadau | i'm trying to figure out an issue with the deb-pkg kernel build target |
| 05:16.47 | shadau | is anyone here familiar with how dpkg-gencontrol is supposed to behave? |
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| 05:23.04 | nvz | what? |
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| 05:24.01 | nvz | shadau: are you aware that there is a specific tool for building kernel packages? |
| 05:24.07 | shadau | yes |
| 05:24.42 | nvz | well what you just said sounds like you're trying to build one by hand |
| 05:24.59 | shadau | well, the upstream kernel has a deb-pkg target that is also supposed to generate kernel debs |
| 05:25.20 | nvz | news to me |
| 05:25.22 | shadau | it's not working very well right now for cross-compiles and i'm trying to figure out why |
| 05:25.27 | simonlnu | it does, but not the same |
| 05:25.34 | nvz | I'd say fuggit and use the debian way |
| 05:25.36 | shadau | so what's the difference? |
| 05:25.37 | simonlnu | making .debs i mean |
| 05:26.26 | nvz | I wonder who knows more about making debian kernel packages, the debian developers, or kernel sanders |
| 05:26.49 | simonlnu | *bah-dum-tssh* |
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| 05:26.57 | shadau | heh |
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| 05:27.16 | shadau | well, in any case, the build target seems to work (and is apparently used by someone else other than me), except if you're cross-compiling |
| 05:27.47 | shadau | what happens is, the script runs dpkg --print-architecture and feeds that into dpkg-gencontrol |
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| 05:28.25 | shadau | i have a patch that mostly does the right thing there based on the target arch for the kernel build itself |
| 05:28.36 | shadau | thing is, dpkg-gencontrol is still looking at the host architecture for some reason |
| 05:28.51 | shadau | and then complains that the host arch is not in the list of target archs |
| 05:29.58 | shadau | i'm told this only happens when cross-compiling amd64 from i386 |
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| 05:37.03 | project2501a | oh shit. one of the nuclear reactors is about to go boom |
| 05:37.14 | nvz | o.O |
| 05:37.22 | project2501a | in japan |
| 05:37.31 | project2501a | it is in meltdown stage |
| 05:37.31 | streuner | URL? |
| 05:37.42 | project2501a | http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ha8bv/fukushima_no1_in_meltdown_state/ |
| 05:37.55 | nvz | shadau: does the top-level makefile have the cross compile option set? |
| 05:37.57 | project2501a | http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/index.html |
| 05:38.41 | shadau | nvz: well, sort of. i'm setting ARCH in the cmdline |
| 05:39.09 | nvz | ARCH is not CROSS_COMPILE |
| 05:39.43 | nvz | and japan and nuclear meltdowns are not on topic in debian |
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| 05:40.10 | shadau | well, i set both of those |
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| 05:40.32 | shadau | when cross-compiling for arm, which is what i want |
| 05:40.51 | nvz | shadau: idk this is kinda beyond the scope of #d you need to use kernel-package and bitch on lkml or somewhere if this is that important to you |
| 05:40.53 | shadau | some other guy on lkml says that the patch fails when setting ARCH=x86_64 and without the CROSS_COMPILE |
| 05:41.17 | shadau | yeah, i guess it's not that critical anyway |
| 05:41.27 | nvz | the average debian supporter, developer, or user would do it the debian way with kernel-package which is something we got more experience debugging |
| 05:41.42 | shadau | i'll probably give that a shot |
| 05:42.02 | shadau | i find that using the kernel build system directly tends to be easier when debugging, though, which is why i wanted to make this work properly :) |
| 05:42.22 | shadau | but i haven't used kernel-package in a good while |
| 05:42.24 | nvz | I find it interesting they've added a deb feature into the upstream, but I'm a firm believer in not using shiny new shit |
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| 05:43.35 | shadau | it doesn't look new at all |
| 05:43.48 | nvz | I've never found anything about the kernel build system to be easy, and while its changed a lot since 2.6, that just makes it that more complicated cause people like me know the old ways, and found other ways to avoid that pain.. |
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| 05:44.25 | shadau | the git log on the debian package script in the kernel goes all the way back to when the kernel moved to git |
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| 05:44.52 | nvz | you lost me at git |
| 05:45.37 | ectospasm | git is what makes Linus famous (-; |
| 05:46.35 | shadau | a guy i work with calls git a bucket of rusty razorblades |
| 05:47.24 | nvz | w/e |
| 05:48.56 | nvz | I find it real f'n simple to wget "http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/blahblahblah" && tar zxf blahblahblah && cd blahblahblah, make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage |
| 05:49.19 | nvz | doing fancier things like cross compiling, patching..etc are still a fairly simple one liner |
| 05:50.57 | nvz | unless they changed the build system to git beer, make dinner, and give head.. then I dont consider any of it much improvement |
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| 06:06.54 | tp43_ | I notice difference in debian FF & Opera behaviour vs same browsers on Windows |
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| 06:08.08 | tp43_ | I am designing web page, and used fieldset {display: inline}, which works as expected in google-chrome, but not FF 3.5 or Opera 11. Basically, they should show up side by side but instead they have 100% width and on top of each other |
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| 06:08.24 | alcedine | Hi, is there a command to append a line to a file? |
| 06:08.44 | Wyzard | alcedine: echo foo >> file.txt |
| 06:09.33 | Wyzard | alcedine: Be sure to write >> instead of >, or you overwrite the file instead |
| 06:09.38 | alcedine | Okay, thanks. |
| 06:10.00 | alcedine | It works with quote marks and escaped characters (\n mainly)? |
| 06:10.43 | Wyzard | alcedine: Use echo's -e option for that |
| 06:10.54 | Wyzard | echo -e "foo\nbar" |
| 06:11.08 | alcedine | Okay. Thanks again. |
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| 06:14.17 | flamingspinach | I notice that the package python-pyside depends on python2.7 even though the pyside website says it can be built against python2.6 (squeeze's and wheezy's default python version) |
| 06:14.18 | flamingspinach | why is this? |
| 06:17.52 | karlpinc | flamingspinach: Because it's built against python2.7? |
| 06:18.12 | tp43_ | how do you do a screenshot on xfce? |
| 06:18.15 | karlpinc | Wyzard:, alcedine : printf(1) is more portable than echo. |
| 06:18.35 | flamingspinach | karlpinc: well, yes, but why? I figured that 2.6 being the default python version would mean that other packages should be built against it |
| 06:18.47 | flamingspinach | or are we migrating towards 2.7 for wheezy? |
| 06:18.48 | jelly-home | flamingspinach: probably because wheezy is targeting 2.7 as default |
| 06:18.52 | flamingspinach | aha |
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| 06:19.35 | karlpinc | flamingspinach: Could it be because your not running stable so nothing's settled? |
| 06:19.58 | flamingspinach | OK, OK :) |
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| 06:21.45 | somiaj | tp43_: install scrot, then you can do it from any terminal |
| 06:22.02 | tp43_ | somiaj, thx |
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| 06:34.29 | project2501a | morning guys |
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| 06:36.15 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... i cant find b43-fwcutter or firmware-b43 packages ... and i want to install my b43 wireless card ... any help ?! |
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| 06:37.34 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell cobra-the-joker about contrib |
| 06:37.39 | ompaul | !tell cobra-the-joker about b43 |
| 06:37.44 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell cobra-the-joker about b43-fwcutter |
| 06:38.19 | ompaul | mornin' jelly-home |
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| 06:39.07 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: just add " contrib" after ... main in your main mirror deb... line in sources.list |
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| 06:49.04 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys .... i just installed kde-full set ... and i cant find a network manager ... there isnt one that comes with it by default ... or just use wicd ? |
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| 06:50.31 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: the second part of this page http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 06:51.01 | ompaul | or ceni if you have it |
| 06:52.19 | rethus | where can i set, how long a ssh-session is activated? |
| 06:52.22 | cobra-the-joker | ompaul: oh ... there was a network applet in kde ... thanx |
| 06:52.59 | ompaul | rethus: do you mean auto breakdown of a session after a few hours? |
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| 06:53.40 | rethus | not hours... only some miutes, if i enter nothing in the terminal window |
| 06:54.57 | ompaul | would the person be using only ssh? |
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| 06:55.46 | ompaul | time to run to work - consider idled however how it works with ssh I am unsure it would be on the box you log into |
| 06:57.38 | somiaj | rethus: you can set a ServerALiveInterval in your ssh_config file. |
| 06:57.53 | rethus | i'll try, thanks. |
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| 06:58.00 | rethus | in which format? mili-seconds? |
| 06:58.11 | somiaj | rethus: /etc/ssh/ssh_conf for global, .ssh/<something> for local, forget what somethign is though |
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| 06:58.41 | somiaj | rethus: man ssh_config for detials |
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| 07:06.35 | micols | anyone got a2dp running on linux on any kind of music player (bluetooth alsa/bluetooth soundserver to headset or a2dp reciever) ? |
| 07:07.04 | micols | the packages in debian are really broken it seems, also they require gnome which is annoying enough :) |
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| 07:08.11 | micols | gnome,glib,dbus,(hal) to be able to talk to my bluetooth device, that is some messy dependencies I just wanted to be able to do it from cli |
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| 07:14.17 | solars | hey, if I have: libimlib2 1.4.0-1.2+lenny1 - is this version 1.4 or 1.2 of libimlib2? |
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| 07:15.16 | jmarsden | solars: Should mean version 1.4.0 (with packaging version 1.2+lenny1) |
| 07:15.48 | solars | perfect, thank you |
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| 07:18.24 | jmarsden | solars: You're welcome. |
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| 07:21.33 | sephii | Does anybody know how I can make ^foo^bar replace all the occurences of foo by bar instead of only the first one ? |
| 07:21.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | sephii: /g |
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| 07:27.22 | sephii | Kamping_Kaiser: Where do I put it ? I tried at the end of the string but doesn't seem to work |
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| 07:30.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | sephii: at the end of the line, but without more context (eg command being run) i'm just guesing |
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| 07:33.46 | gentoo_drummer | how can i get ubuntu fonts on deb? |
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| 07:37.21 | sephii | Kamping_Kaiser: Well for example I tried running echo "foo bar foo" and then ^foo^hello and it gives me "hello bar foo" but I'd like "hello bar hello" |
| 07:37.30 | llutz | gentoo_drummer: get it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/all/ttf-ubuntu-font-family/download and install with dpkg -i |
| 07:37.34 | sephii | Kamping_Kaiser: (it's in zsh) |
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| 07:41.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | sephii: i've not used zsh, so you might need to try a zsh channel |
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| 07:51.12 | gentoo_drummer | llutz, do i have to add that line in my sources.list? |
| 07:51.45 | llutz | gentoo_drummer: nope, thats the direct download link. |
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| 07:52.20 | llutz | gentoo_drummer: i don't think that you want ubuntu-repos in your sources |
| 07:52.28 | gentoo_drummer | :P |
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| 07:53.31 | jmarsden | thinks.. nick says gentoo, link says ubuntu, and user is in #debian... confusing, or what? :) |
| 07:54.13 | llutz | multi-distributional :D |
| 07:54.33 | gentoo_drummer | migrating from gentoo on an old laptop that cannot handles compilation times.. |
| 07:54.59 | jmarsden | Maybe you should /nick debian_drummer :) |
| 07:55.14 | gentoo_drummer | not yet, cause i don't know debian that good :d |
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| 07:57.08 | gentoo_drummer | llutz, ok done.. do i have to reboot to get the fonts up running? |
| 07:57.53 | llutz | gentoo_drummer: they should be ready now. reboot... sound like win_drummer ;) |
| 07:58.05 | gentoo_drummer | lol |
| 07:58.15 | gentoo_drummer | i still see debian fonts |
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| 07:59.08 | simonlnu | may need to update your font cache, and maybe even log out of x (for certain applications) |
| 07:59.13 | llutz | installation of a font-package doesn't mean they will be used for something. you have to configure your WM/DE for that |
| 07:59.24 | simonlnu | yes |
| 08:00.02 | gentoo_drummer | llutz, ye i did tht.. for some odd reason chromium fonts wont change |
| 08:00.03 | gentoo_drummer | :/ |
| 08:00.48 | project2501a | ohhai debian |
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| 08:01.27 | gentoo_drummer | im on xfce |
| 08:01.40 | project2501a | i'm on a horse |
| 08:01.45 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 08:01.48 | rethus | i have set up my server now. which tool can i use to do a portscan for open ports checking? |
| 08:01.57 | project2501a | this channel is now DIAMONDS! |
| 08:01.57 | dudz_ | i'm on pcbsd kde |
| 08:02.10 | cobra-the-joker | pcbsd :S |
| 08:02.20 | project2501a | rethus: are you going to hack the gibson? |
| 08:02.25 | simonlnu | rethus: netstat |
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| 08:02.39 | project2501a | makes packman noises |
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| 08:02.44 | cobra-the-joker | dudz_: when i used that ... the booting time was so much .. it isnt ? |
| 08:02.44 | rethus | which parm on netstat? |
| 08:02.53 | project2501a | rethus: all of them. |
| 08:02.55 | llutz | man netstat rethus |
| 08:03.06 | project2501a | rethus: no such man page. |
| 08:03.09 | dudz_ | dont really know cobra-the-joker i only bootup once every few months |
| 08:03.16 | simonlnu | project2501a: ok, dude |
| 08:03.22 | project2501a | ok, i will stop |
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| 08:03.27 | cobra-the-joker | dudz_: wow :D .. thats a server i assume |
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| 08:03.35 | dudz_ | nope, just my desktop pc :P |
| 08:03.51 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 08:03.54 | simonlnu | a little bit is funny, but too much is... too much :P |
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| 08:05.23 | project2501a | i had a bit of extra sugar. |
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| 08:05.35 | simonlnu | heh |
| 08:05.39 | dudz_ | i'm drinking fermented sugar atm |
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| 08:06.28 | project2501a | ok, gnu parallel and dsh are there for executing commands over a network |
| 08:06.42 | simonlnu | yep |
| 08:06.46 | project2501a | how on earth can i concurrently copy a file to 200 nodes? |
| 08:06.57 | project2501a | there should be a dsh option to use scp |
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| 08:07.31 | project2501a | a for loop is definitely feasible, but i do not want a for loop. |
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| 08:11.05 | Bushmills | project2501a: background lauch a file grab on all nodes |
| 08:11.10 | Bushmills | launch |
| 08:11.15 | project2501a | meeeh |
| 08:11.37 | saivinoba | hi, i'm not sure what happened (maybe recent upgrade) but touchpad on my laptop stopped working. i have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed. what's wrong? |
| 08:11.41 | project2501a | definite solution, but i would prefer if dsh or psh would do it for me. |
| 08:12.00 | project2501a | saivinoba: please provide diagnostics |
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| 08:12.37 | project2501a | saivinoba: you are asking an open ended question, to which I cannot answer, because I do not know the particularities of your machine. |
| 08:12.44 | project2501a | !ask questions |
| 08:13.01 | project2501a | !smart questions |
| 08:13.02 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 08:14.51 | saivinoba | project2501a: Sorry. I'm on dell vostro laptop. if you want output of some command i can provide. |
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| 08:15.38 | Bushmills | project2501a: for host in $hosts; do ssh $host wget file & done; wait |
| 08:15.56 | project2501a | i would like you to examine your x log files under /var/log . you know the package name, i am sure you are smart enough to figure out that the most probable cause is a misconfiguration. |
| 08:16.04 | project2501a | Bushmills: that's http |
| 08:16.04 | Bushmills | "what, no public keys on nodes?" :P |
| 08:16.09 | project2501a | fuck no |
| 08:16.14 | project2501a | erh, i mean, heck no. |
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| 08:17.54 | EugenMayer | hello. is there any var durin postinst / prerm which indicates where the package is installed? |
| 08:19.20 | project2501a | EugenMayer: come again? where the package is installed? |
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| 08:20.05 | EugenMayer | project2501a: yes i need to call some scripts in the package ( in the installation folder ) after the package got installed / before it gets removed |
| 08:20.34 | sephii | EugenMayer: Well a package is composed of many files |
| 08:20.52 | EugenMayer | facepalms .. |
| 08:20.54 | project2501a | and the package does not get removed, it stays in cache. |
| 08:21.08 | EugenMayer | sorry .. |
| 08:21.27 | project2501a | ah, you mean, while it is unpacked and configured. |
| 08:21.38 | project2501a | what are you really trying to do ? |
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| 08:22.40 | project2501a | EugenMayer: you are not supposed to call those scripts. if you want something done differently you will have to repackage it, adding the local changes to the post-inst script |
| 08:22.45 | project2501a | (preferably) |
| 08:23.16 | project2501a | (so you can reproduce the result again after the package gets updated) |
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| 08:23.34 | project2501a | simonlnu: see? i can be nice. |
| 08:24.28 | EugenMayer | project2501a: the uninstall / install scripts are in the package.. iam doing this to ease up non-root installations, so without deb |
| 08:24.38 | EugenMayer | but i dont wanto to dublicate the code.. |
| 08:24.51 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.43 | project2501a | EugenMayer: so, download the package and unarchive it. then, repackage it. |
| 08:26.14 | project2501a | or unpackage the package and run the scripts |
| 08:26.21 | project2501a | though i am sure you are doing something wrong. |
| 08:26.25 | project2501a | non-root installations? |
| 08:26.40 | project2501a | are you talking about installing a package over nfs to some workstations? |
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| 08:27.52 | project2501a | you will not be able to catch the script while it is unpacking as those are happening under tmp names in /tmp |
| 08:27.56 | project2501a | and then cleaned up. |
| 08:28.02 | project2501a | unless you type really fast. |
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| 08:34.43 | EugenMayer | what would be gnomes main packages, if i would like to dpkg --list | awk .. the version ? ( 2 .. or 3 ) |
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| 08:36.31 | project2501a | EugenMayer: there is a gnome-desktop metapackage that can pull all the dependencies. you might want to check that out. but i am not sure if someone can list you the packages off the top of their heads. or a methodology to do so. |
| 08:36.44 | EugenMayer | i just found |
| 08:36.50 | EugenMayer | gnome-about --gnome-version |
| 08:36.52 | EugenMayer | could work |
| 08:37.01 | project2501a | hmmmm. apt might have a tool to display dependencies in package |
| 08:37.06 | project2501a | that would be a cool graph to have. |
| 08:37.34 | ansgar | project2501a: Something like debtree? |
| 08:37.42 | project2501a | i stand corrected. |
| 08:37.51 | project2501a | and i am showing my ignorance. |
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| 08:38.49 | kenifanying | does anyone use shutter? I can not run " Screenshot--> Run a plugin" in shutter. what's the problem? |
| 08:39.07 | kenifanying | I use squeeze |
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| 08:39.59 | project2501a | ansgar: that is cool. is there an archive of all debian packages? |
| 08:40.30 | project2501a | i mean i would love to show a tree of the packages upgraded, in a timeline from the first edition of debian till today |
| 08:40.31 | dudz_ | isn't that what the cd/dvd sets are for ? |
| 08:41.08 | project2501a | dudz_: yeah, but i wanna have a graph to say that the next version of the package is such and such and i can show it to my boss, for example |
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| 08:41.27 | dudz_ | can't you just punch your boss in his face ? |
| 08:41.30 | project2501a | and i can go investigate if the next version the package breaks lsf, for example. |
| 08:41.38 | project2501a | dudz_: nah, hes a cool guy. he buys me beer. |
| 08:41.43 | project2501a | in the middle of saudi arabia |
| 08:41.43 | dudz_ | oh ok fe |
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| 08:42.15 | dudz_ | from my experience boss is a word used for someone whos a loser |
| 08:42.20 | rethus | i have debian 6.0 and installed apache2. seems that apache is installed as user root. is this default... instead using www or wwwdata? |
| 08:42.21 | dudz_ | so i don't go near them |
| 08:42.28 | project2501a | dudz_: workers of the world, unite! |
| 08:42.33 | dudz_ | :) |
| 08:43.00 | project2501a | rethus: what are you talking about? are you talking about /usr/sbin/apache2 ? |
| 08:43.08 | project2501a | that is owned by root:root ? |
| 08:43.10 | rethus | /var/www |
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| 08:43.29 | rethus | all files are owned and group by root, but they are displayd on the web |
| 08:43.36 | rethus | so it seems apache runs as user root |
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| 08:43.41 | project2501a | then someone screwed up. |
| 08:44.16 | project2501a | debian's apache2 package drops root and chuid to www-data |
| 08:44.30 | joltcan | I didn't read it from the start, but are you sure you are not seing them because of the directory permission? |
| 08:44.34 | project2501a | as you can find from grepping www-data /etc/apsswd |
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| 08:44.54 | rethus | project2501a: its a clean fresh installation |
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| 08:45.08 | joltcan | if you do ps aux|grep apache you will see what apache is running as |
| 08:45.19 | achadwick | Just here, but project2501a: have you checked a process listing to confirm your runs-as-root suspicion? Could permissions of /var/www permit what you're seeing? |
| 08:45.51 | rethus | strange, first process runs as root, other as www-data |
| 08:46.17 | joltcan | rethus: exactly what project2501a said |
| 08:46.20 | rethus | http://pastebin.com/LVrYkPdZ |
| 08:46.48 | project2501a | achadwick: wrong person, mate. |
| 08:46.58 | joltcan | rethus: apache starts as root to be able to open port 80 (under port 1024 you need root permission for that), then changes user id to www-data |
| 08:47.11 | project2501a | i got all my indi-unhs in a row. |
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| 08:47.21 | joltcan | project2501a: *rimshot* |
| 08:47.27 | rethus | this is the ls for /var/www: |
| 08:47.27 | rethus | http://pastebin.com/GcExUDMF |
| 08:47.31 | achadwick | project2501a: quite so :) |
| 08:47.51 | joltcan | rethus: Yes, what is the problem. www-data has permission to look into that dir |
| 08:47.52 | project2501a | or rather, i try not to talk out of my ass. (too much) |
| 08:48.03 | joltcan | rethus: it doesn't mean that apache is running as root |
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| 08:48.51 | rethus | k. but doesn't need a php-script permission x to run? |
| 08:48.54 | rethus | or only r |
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| 08:49.04 | joltcan | rethus: it is run by apache, so it will run as www-data |
| 08:49.06 | project2501a | rethus: depends on the way you run it. |
| 08:49.30 | project2501a | if you run it as cgi, yes, you do. if you have installed the apache php module, no. |
| 08:49.32 | joltcan | rethus: you are missunderstanding folder permissions and the permissions used by the intepretor |
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| 09:00.36 | jtheuer | Is there a simple tool for aggregate functions for text files? I have a file where I want to count duplicate lines and have "line count" as result |
| 09:01.06 | bin_bash | Hello. I'm looking to install a new distro on my MacBook Pro 8,1. I'm currently running xubuntu 11.04 but am having consistant kernel panics from skype, as well as random system freezes. I've been searching for documentation about the newer MBP versions, but haven't found anything. Does anyone here know if Debian is compatible? |
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| 09:03.08 | Bushmills | bin_bash: skype is not a package in debian. you'd need the skype provided package |
| 09:03.48 | SPF | jtheuer: sort test.txt | uniq -c |
| 09:03.49 | bin_bash | I understand that. However, my question is more along the lines of whether or not the Debian OS is compatible with my hardware, and whetehr anyone has any experience |
| 09:04.25 | nviror | I want to transfer a website to nginx with lot of subdomains, gradually. Currently the website is powered by apache. Please guide me how should i proceed without breaking anything and with least downtime. I thought to transfer all subdomains one by one. |
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| 09:06.18 | Iridos | and what advantages would that have? |
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| 09:08.57 | WiZ | bin_bash try a live debian distro and check for yourself |
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| 09:13.07 | bin_bash | Thanks, WiZ :) |
| 09:13.17 | WiZ | yw |
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| 09:13.54 | WiZ | works here but mine is an MBP 1,1 |
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| 09:14.24 | bin_bash | Yeah I had a 5,5 but the logiboard broke and they replaced it with this shitty 8,1 |
| 09:14.33 | bin_bash | shitty only because linux doesn;t run smoothly |
| 09:14.54 | bin_bash | The debian site recommends downloading from bittorrent |
| 09:14.57 | bin_bash | but nobody is seeding |
| 09:15.05 | WiZ | hmmm strange - what distro have you tried? |
| 09:15.21 | bin_bash | ubuntu |
| 09:15.35 | bin_bash | I was using 10.04 on the 5,5 |
| 09:15.49 | bin_bash | because it uses an old kernel, nothing worked on here |
| 09:15.55 | bin_bash | then i switched to xubuntu 11.04 |
| 09:16.04 | bin_bash | worked great until a few days ago |
| 09:16.09 | bin_bash | did an update and everything broke |
| 09:16.11 | petemc | bin_bash: where does it recommend bittorrent out of interest? |
| 09:16.19 | bin_bash | petemc: on the debian site |
| 09:16.24 | petemc | where exactly? |
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| 09:16.57 | bin_bash | on the dl section |
| 09:17.05 | petemc | can you paste a link? |
| 09:17.33 | bin_bash | petemc: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 09:18.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | i should start seeding debian, been ages since i did |
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| 09:38.50 | Iridos | who seeds wind will harvest storm? |
| 09:39.05 | Iridos | I think I didn't get that right a 100% exact |
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| 09:45.17 | project2501a | http://pastebin.com/yp5sF8mQ <-- ah, beautiful :D |
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| 09:54.38 | gob_bluth | http://pastebin.com/TwdwGvPK |
| 09:54.41 | gob_bluth | help ! |
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| 09:58.00 | themill | gob_bluth: there should be a space before ]] |
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| 10:00.15 | gob_bluth | ah |
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| 10:05.27 | gob_bluth | does a bash case suppress certain output? because the same code block in a case has no output while if it's in a standalone script it's fine |
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| 10:08.15 | gob_bluth | http://pastebin.com/5Qreyqjd this is what i'm trying to do |
| 10:09.22 | Calyp | Hmm... when i paste a link into Google translate, iceweasel shuts down. o_O |
| 10:09.47 | Bushmills | if pidof ...; then ... |
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| 10:10.30 | Bushmills | why have a branch for setting RUNNING="false" if you initialised RUNNING to "false" anyway? |
| 10:10.49 | gob_bluth | Bushmills: cause it's early in the AM ;p |
| 10:11.05 | gob_bluth | good point |
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| 10:12.17 | project2501a | hey guys, can i force ssh to allocate a (pseudo)tty? i got to do some remote upgrades and i wanna do something like ssh $host "apt-get -y --force-yes dist-upgrade" |
| 10:12.25 | Calyp | correction, Iceweasel shuts down as soon as i put [anything] into google translate.... |
| 10:12.51 | Bushmills | second test for lighttpd overwrites first test for mgeDAE |
| 10:13.00 | project2501a | yes i can |
| 10:13.02 | project2501a | ALL HAIL UNIX |
| 10:13.26 | project2501a | i wonder |
| 10:13.36 | project2501a | what is the difference between ssh -t and ssh -tt |
| 10:13.53 | project2501a | maybe i should rtfm on what is a pseudotty |
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| 10:14.56 | Bushmills | gob_bluth: if pidof lighttpd; then echo "running" ; else echo "not running"; fi |
| 10:16.49 | Bushmills | or pidof lighttpd && echo running || echo not running |
| 10:17.40 | project2501a | can i allocate different virtual terminals on different vga outputs? |
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| 10:22.02 | alcedine | I have a bunch of folders somewhere, inside all of which I'd like to touch a file of a certain name -- can I express that in some way? |
| 10:22.29 | Parsifal | alcedine: If they're in the same parent directory, touch */filename should work |
| 10:22.48 | Calyp | http://9gag.com/gag/119251 |
| 10:22.53 | alcedine | I tried that, but it said cannot touch '*/overview': no such file or directory |
| 10:23.19 | Parsifal | alcedine: Okay, try: for DIR in ls; do touch ${DIR}/overview; done |
| 10:23.46 | Parsifal | You should be able to restrict ls to only output directories, the man page should tell you how |
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| 10:24.49 | Bushmills | for dir in * (assuming there are now files) |
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| 10:25.12 | Bushmills | i don't think your intention was to do for dir in $(ls) or similar ... |
| 10:25.36 | Bushmills | though find .. -exec might be more suitable |
| 10:25.36 | Parsifal | Bushmills: Quite right, sorry. |
| 10:25.49 | Bushmills | find -type d .. |
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| 10:26.09 | alcedine | I'm intending to make each folder have a standard content of one file, so they aren't there yet |
| 10:26.17 | alcedine | Maybe that's the problem. |
| 10:26.31 | Spcck | What application firewall i can use on deb? |
| 10:26.48 | Bushmills | mkdir $new; touch $new/file |
| 10:27.00 | project2501a | Parsifal: try using absolute filenames. |
| 10:27.04 | project2501a | or filepaths |
| 10:27.08 | Bushmills | pack it in a script if you like |
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| 10:28.42 | Bushmills | new() { mkdir $1; touch $1/foo ; } |
| 10:28.47 | Bushmills | new dir1 |
| 10:28.49 | Bushmills | new dir2 |
| 10:28.50 | Bushmills | ... |
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| 10:29.03 | alcedine | the one starting with "for dir in *" worked (: |
| 10:29.54 | alcedine | Though it didn't recognize directories with spaces properly |
| 10:29.57 | anbi | !ping |
| 10:29.57 | dpkg | Sorry anbi, you're not online. |
| 10:30.03 | Bushmills | quotes |
| 10:30.22 | Bushmills | for dir in *; do whatever "$dir"; ... |
| 10:30.22 | anbi | !ping |
| 10:30.22 | dpkg | Yes, anbi, you are online. |
| 10:30.36 | anbi | !ping |
| 10:30.36 | dpkg | Sorry anbi, you're not online. |
| 10:30.47 | anbi | !karma |
| 10:30.47 | dpkg | anbi has neutral karma |
| 10:31.01 | Parsifal | !tell anbi about selftell |
| 10:31.20 | project2501a | alcedine: you will have to quote touch "*/myfile" |
| 10:31.42 | project2501a | alcedine: in short, i think it is time you read the bash manual. |
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| 10:32.23 | alcedine | Thanks. I didn't know there was one. |
| 10:33.03 | project2501a | alcedine: there are several: the three you want are the two o'reilly books ( manual and cook book) and the gnu bash reference. |
| 10:33.27 | Bushmills | ah. of course bash scripting skills are only passed from master to acolytes in a mouth to mouth fashion |
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| 10:33.46 | project2501a | only the iron fist secrets |
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| 10:34.33 | Bushmills | and one needs to be hardened in a bath of fire, before one qualifies |
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| 10:35.14 | project2501a | and catch the wind |
| 10:35.22 | project2501a | MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT |
| 10:35.47 | Bushmills | somebody released a wind? |
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| 10:36.10 | project2501a | it was just jelly after lunch |
| 10:36.20 | project2501a | ok ask me questions! |
| 10:36.23 | project2501a | i feel good today |
| 10:37.04 | Bushmills | at what temperature does a higgs field collapse? |
| 10:39.15 | orflon | could somebody tell me what's the size of the upgrade lenny->squeeze approximately? |
| 10:39.27 | project2501a | 'bout 450mb |
| 10:39.35 | project2501a | but that is just the packages downloaded |
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| 10:39.55 | orflon | yes, I have a very slow connection here, and I wonder if it worths it |
| 10:40.28 | project2501a | orflon: it depends, what do you mean worth it? |
| 10:40.32 | project2501a | as a desktop machine? |
| 10:40.39 | project2501a | i like the new logo :D |
| 10:40.55 | orflon | I downloaded 3 MB in 1 min 45 s |
| 10:41.09 | project2501a | i like that the resolution in booting changes to the highest possible |
| 10:41.25 | project2501a | orflon: is that the speed of your connection or the mirror you are connecting to? |
| 10:41.30 | gob_bluth | how would you set the error code in bash ? just $? = 1 |
| 10:41.32 | gob_bluth | ? |
| 10:41.39 | orflon | not sure, how could I check upon the mirrors? |
| 10:41.50 | Bushmills | gob_bluth: false |
| 10:41.54 | orflon | I'm trying .de repository |
| 10:42.00 | gob_bluth | ah |
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| 10:42.41 | project2501a | gob_bluth: $? is read-only from the command-line |
| 10:43.03 | project2501a | you cannot directly assign to it. |
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| 10:44.42 | gob_bluth | k thanks that worked |
| 10:44.48 | orflon | can I do the upgrade offline? |
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| 10:44.59 | orflon | for example download a list of packages and install them? |
| 10:45.18 | Bushmills | orflon: apt-zip may help |
| 10:45.39 | project2501a | orflon: the easier way to do check a mirror is just change your /etc/apt/sources.list and try another mirror |
| 10:45.56 | orflon | is apt-zip trustworthy? |
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| 10:46.24 | project2501a | it has the seal of approval of the sacred cow god. |
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| 10:46.33 | tulliana | hi channel, |
| 10:46.37 | bittin | hi |
| 10:46.41 | project2501a | ohai |
| 10:46.56 | tulliana | my system debian6 squeeze |
| 10:47.13 | tulliana | system update problem http://dpaste.com/541971 |
| 10:47.16 | bittin | mine is debian testing ppc |
| 10:47.18 | Calyp | Hmm, my laptop won't put out audio to my USB headset, although the sound preferences identifies it =/ |
| 10:47.20 | bittin | wheezy |
| 10:47.22 | Calyp | what to do? |
| 10:48.02 | Bushmills | Calyp: turn up the volume |
| 10:48.14 | project2501a | tulliana: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:48.38 | tulliana | project2501a: ok, thanks |
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| 10:49.09 | Calyp | duh... i get the audio running in my laptop speakers despite the fact that i have choosen the USB headset as output |
| 10:49.12 | ketsa | recommended java engine for squeeze ? |
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| 10:49.41 | Calyp | *got |
| 10:49.43 | tulliana | project2501a: http://dpaste.com/541973/ |
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| 10:50.58 | project2501a | tulliana: apt-get -f install |
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| 10:51.08 | tulliana | ok |
| 10:51.30 | project2501a | what is smfpd? |
| 10:51.55 | tulliana | project2501a: http://dpaste.com/541975/ |
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| 10:53.31 | project2501a | tulliana: sudo killlall -9 smfpd; sudo update-rc.d smfpd; sudo apt-get purge smfpd |
| 10:53.37 | tulliana | ok |
| 10:53.43 | project2501a | and there is not a single debian package named smfpd |
| 10:53.48 | project2501a | are you sure you are running debian? |
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| 10:55.49 | tulliana | project2501a: http://dpaste.com/541976/ |
| 10:56.32 | manouch | hello |
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| 10:56.51 | manouch | do i have to provide an apache and lighttpd configuration for a debian package which contains a website? |
| 10:56.51 | project2501a | sudo killall -9 smfpd; sudo update-rc.d -f smfpd remove; sudo apt-get purge smfpd |
| 10:57.35 | project2501a | manouch: depends on how the package was set up. you should talk to the package creator |
| 10:57.37 | project2501a | !karma |
| 10:57.37 | dpkg | project2501a has neutral karma |
| 10:58.15 | tulliana | project2501a: http://dpaste.com/541977/ |
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| 10:58.36 | gob_bluth | i've got one more question, i have a killall in a bash script and it seems to keep ending the script |
| 10:59.22 | project2501a | tulliana: sorry, can't help you any more. it looks like you have some issues which would require local intervention. |
| 10:59.51 | Bushmills | gob_bluth: i have a question too. if i dunk my handkerchief into water, it gets wet. |
| 11:00.16 | project2501a | not if it is made out of water-repellent cloth. |
| 11:00.39 | Bushmills | snot-repellent too? |
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| 11:01.07 | tulliana | project2501a: thank you so much |
| 11:01.09 | tulliana | ;) |
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| 11:06.26 | Calyp | can someone help out with audio output issues? |
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| 11:08.32 | project2501a | Calyp: sorry, mate, no clue. i had the same issue playing sound out of my usb soundblaster |
| 11:08.32 | nevyn | Calyp: what's the problem? |
| 11:10.49 | Calyp | nevyn: |
| 11:10.58 | Calyp | Hmm, my laptop won't put out audio to my USB headset, although the sound preferences identifies it =/ |
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| 11:11.03 | Calyp | duh... i get the audio running in my laptop speakers despite the fact that i have choosen the USB headset as output |
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| 11:13.25 | nevyn | Calyp: are you using pulseaudio with gnome? |
| 11:14.40 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... i just installed KDE on debian 6 ... and i have some wierd problem here ... when i login to the desktop ... there is a sound like old TV's "WSHH " for 4 seconds or so ... any help ? |
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| 11:16.50 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, is the sound otherwise working? mp3s and so on |
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| 11:17.08 | BenNZ | hi just wondering if i could get some help , having trouble with an sd card , error message when trying to write says its a read only file system even when using sudo |
| 11:17.15 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: i dont know ... i dont have codecs or flash ( to test on youtube ) |
| 11:17.58 | Bushmills | BenNZ: look at what mount says about mount flags and file system |
| 11:18.16 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, try to run alsactl init as root to configure sound card |
| 11:18.33 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: ok |
| 11:18.49 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: alsactl: command not found |
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| 11:20.24 | BenNZ | Bushmills: it says /dev/sdc1 on /media/KODAK type vfat (ro,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,shortname=winnt) |
| 11:20.43 | Bushmills | BenNZ: ro means read-only |
| 11:21.15 | BenNZ | Bushmills: but ubuntu and windows can write to it |
| 11:21.25 | Bushmills | not if it's mounted read-only |
| 11:21.34 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, run apt-cache policy alsa-base as root, see if alsa is installed |
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| 11:21.55 | BenNZ | Bushmills: so how can i mount it read/write? |
| 11:21.57 | Bushmills | read-only means: read only. that is, no writes allowed |
| 11:22.14 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: Installed: (none) |
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| 11:22.28 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, install it then :) |
| 11:22.47 | Bushmills | BenNZ: mount it without specifying the ro flag |
| 11:23.16 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: apt-get install alsa ? |
| 11:23.29 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, aptget install alsa-base |
| 11:23.41 | rizzeh | -* |
| 11:24.37 | BenNZ | Bushmills: so run mount like mount /dev/sdc /media/KODAK type vfat ro? |
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| 11:24.56 | Bushmills | no. |
| 11:25.13 | Calyp | nevyn: hmm, right.. how do i see that? |
| 11:25.34 | nevyn | Calyp: just check if there's a pulseaudio process running. |
| 11:25.58 | BenNZ | Bushmills: sorry i dont understand you mean by mounting with the ro flag |
| 11:26.29 | Bushmills | (13:22:47) Bushmills: BenNZ: mount it *without* specifying the ro flag. also, your volume is sdc1, not sdc |
| 11:26.44 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: Unknown hardware: "PC-Speaker" "PC-Speaker" "" "" "" Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
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| 11:27.04 | BenNZ | Bushmills: it seems to mount it like that automatically , how do i stop it from doing that? |
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| 11:27.23 | Bushmills | configure whatever mounts it automatically |
| 11:27.41 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, relogin, see if it's fixed, you should have little welcome audio in KDE |
| 11:28.06 | Calyp | nevyn: yeah, there is |
| 11:28.13 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 11:28.23 | nevyn | Calyp: did you follow the debian howto to configure pulseaudio? |
| 11:29.13 | BenNZ | Bushmills: so if i stop it from automounting and mount it by mount /dev/sdc1 /media/KODAK type vfat , it should mount it as read/write? |
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| 11:29.50 | Bushmills | yes. type vfat is wrong syntax, but probably unnecessary. leave it away |
| 11:30.26 | BenNZ | Bushmills: ok thanks for your help |
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| 11:31.00 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, any joy? |
| 11:31.00 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: Its fixed ... thanx |
| 11:31.04 | cobra-the-joker | yep :D |
| 11:31.05 | rizzeh | cool |
| 11:31.57 | cobra-the-joker | rizzeh: there is no package manager in KDE ?... i have to use aptitude ? |
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| 11:32.27 | BenNZ | Bushmills: when i do that , i get this message block device /dev/sdc1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 11:32.37 | rizzeh | cobra-the-joker, no there isn't, no GUI updatereither, console works though |
| 11:32.51 | cobra-the-joker | console is cool then :D |
| 11:33.02 | rizzeh | agreed |
| 11:33.15 | Calyp | nevyn: nope, hadda find that i guess =P |
| 11:33.53 | Calyp | found it (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497) |
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| 11:34.38 | Bushmills | BenNZ: push the protection tab on the sd card into the other, non-locked position |
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| 11:35.23 | BenNZ | Bushmills: yep i tried that still nothing |
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| 11:36.53 | Bushmills | remove the write protection |
| 11:37.06 | BenNZ | Bushmills: how? |
| 11:37.29 | Bushmills | no idea. looking through the manual of the device, maybe? |
| 11:37.54 | Bushmills | computer thinks "write protected", and that's only what i know |
| 11:38.12 | BenNZ | Bushmills: its just a normal sd card , mounts without being write protected in windows and ubuntu |
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| 11:40.52 | BenNZ | Bushmills: i can plug in into the laptop (with ubuntu on it) and ssh and write to it that way , but it would be nice if debian could write to it |
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| 11:41.29 | Bushmills | use a different sd card adapter |
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| 11:42.43 | BenNZ | Bushmills: do you think that debian doesnt like it? |
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| 11:43.08 | Bushmills | no. i think that the computer sees it as write protected. that is what it says. |
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| 11:43.53 | BenNZ | Bushmills: but the windows install on the computer can write to it |
| 11:43.59 | Bushmills | the protect slider on those sd cards is no electrical protection on the card. that's merely a tab for the reader |
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| 11:44.51 | elfranne | i am having trouble to start debian up on Qemu, it freeze when you can select graphical install or install any idea ? |
| 11:44.52 | Bushmills | how does that (windows can write) change that computer sees it as write protected - other than wondering why write protection would be ignored by windows |
| 11:46.00 | BenNZ | Bushmills: im not sure either , the only os that doesnt write to it debian |
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| 11:46.34 | Bushmills | it writes to my sd cards. it's not a matter of the os |
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| 11:47.37 | BenNZ | Bushmills: well i have three on this computer windows , linux mint 8 and debian and debian is the only one that doesnt mount so i can write to it |
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| 11:48.01 | Psy-Q | i'm trying to put squeeze on a 2010 macpro, the guide in the wiki seems outdated: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnIntelMacPro. i'm stuck at the rEFIt boot screen with a tux icon after installing grub both to /dev/sda and to /dev/sda, neither option can boot |
| 11:48.07 | BenNZ | Bushmills: and im not sure why , but there must be something i can do |
| 11:48.16 | Bushmills | ok. your machine says "write protected". believe it or not. |
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| 11:48.32 | BenNZ | Bushmills: yes it says that in debian |
| 11:48.39 | Bushmills | whether it is or it isn't, that is the reason why it's mounted read only |
| 11:48.49 | Bushmills | and that's all what i can tell you |
| 11:48.54 | Psy-Q | squeeze supports the macpro's hardware out of the box, so i could write a section on the wiki about using a default squeeze if i can solve this booting problem. any ideas what is good for grub + rEFIt? |
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| 11:49.11 | BenNZ | Bushmills: so is there a way to tell debian that it isnt? |
| 11:49.25 | Bushmills | i can't do any handwaving magic to suddenly render your device not write protected |
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| 11:49.39 | Egyptian[Laptop] | holy molly - there is no editior in rescue mode ? |
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| 11:50.21 | BenNZ | Bushmills: yeah im not sure why it does it for all my sd cards |
| 11:50.49 | disaster123 | can anybody tell me how to tell dpkg while building an own package that file X is a config file? So that it treats things like dpkg-old and stuff like that for this file? |
| 11:50.53 | Bushmills | funny sd card adapter, maybe |
| 11:50.55 | KjetilK | Egyptian[Laptop], isn't nano there? |
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| 11:51.14 | KjetilK | (not that it is a good editor, but...) |
| 11:51.31 | BenNZ | Bushmills: possibly , just curious that the other two oses on the computer can read it ok , perhaps debian doesnt like my adapter |
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| 11:51.38 | Egyptian[Laptop] | KjetilK: yes it is i was looking for vi -thanks |
| 11:51.50 | KjetilK | np |
| 11:52.52 | BenNZ | Bushmills: again thanks for the help |
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| 11:55.58 | KjetilK | I have a problem in that if qmail comes up before qpsmtpd, qpsmtpd doesn't start at all, and so my spam-killer doesn't work |
| 11:56.16 | KjetilK | I've tried to move it with |
| 11:56.18 | KjetilK | update-rc.d qmail start 22 2 3 4 5 . stop 22 0 1 6 . |
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| 11:56.40 | KjetilK | but i just get |
| 11:56.41 | KjetilK | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 11:56.43 | KjetilK | insserv: warning: script 'K01qmail' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 11:57.10 | KjetilK | perhaps it is moved to the new init-system, how do I change the boot order? |
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| 11:58.54 | ansgar | KjetilK: You could add the missing LSB tags, see the top of /etc/init.d/skeleton (or any other init script) |
| 11:59.44 | KjetilK | ansgar, ok, I'll look |
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| 12:04.13 | KjetilK | ansgar, yeah, that seems to have worked, thanks a lot! |
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| 12:08.57 | thewanderer1 | what library should I use for simple base64 encoding in C? something easily available... apt-cache search doesn't like me today |
| 12:09.08 | thewanderer1 | (oh, decoding might be nice as well) |
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| 12:11.21 | cobra-the-joker | I cant install flash player ... when i run update-flashplugin-nonfree --install ... it give me shasum error !! |
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| 12:12.05 | babilen | thewanderer1: libuu-dev shows up, but you might want to ask in ##c as well |
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| 12:12.34 | thewanderer1 | babilen: yeah, but that was supposed to be meant for "files", not sounding too useful in a little program :P |
| 12:13.02 | thewanderer1 | oh well, I think I'll just convert that to hexadecimal notation... :P |
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| 12:18.25 | cobra-the-joker | any one knows how to install the flash player |
| 12:18.35 | suw | hello |
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| 12:18.45 | cobra-the-joker | Hi |
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| 12:19.49 | mjmt | cobra-the-joker: Install the flashplugin-nonfree package. |
| 12:19.52 | suw | what tool can I use to see which domain is mostly requested on apache - my proc is 100% - most of them are phpfcgi from one domain - but I need some sort of graph or logs whatever... |
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| 12:20.29 | cobra-the-joker | mjmt: i installed that ... but when it try to fetch the flash player package .... it give me shasum error :S |
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| 12:22.42 | suw | ? |
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| 12:24.31 | mjmt | cobra-the-joker: You're right I just got the same thing. |
| 12:25.04 | mjmt | Did you get the link it gives you? |
| 12:25.14 | mjmt | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 12:25.18 | keith105 | are there any guidelines for converting an rpm to deb? besides alienware which has only "half fixed" my issue |
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| 12:25.51 | cobra-the-joker | mjmt , but what i do with the .tar.gz file |
| 12:26.05 | lupine_85 | if alien won't do it for you, probably best to start from scratch with the source & cdbs |
| 12:26.06 | Neosat | I am using debian 6 with alsa 1.0.23 but I have problem with my sound card if I use two aplications using sound. I can get sound only from first application and when starting the second I get "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" |
| 12:26.15 | mjmt | cobra-the-joker: I don't recommend you do anything with it, it failed the checksum. |
| 12:26.37 | hjubal | hi, is a good idea to buy a server based on Opteron 8-core cpu (HP DL165G7) to run kvm virtual machines? |
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| 12:26.48 | cobra-the-joker | mjmt , its adobe |
| 12:27.00 | mjmt | Unless you mean a copy you downloaded manually, in which case there's plenty of documentation on the site you got it from. |
| 12:27.21 | keith105 | lupine_85: ok thanks |
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| 12:27.24 | Neosat | basicly it can not share the sound card to two aplications |
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| 12:29.46 | mjmt | cobra-the-joker: If I were you I'd just wait a day or so and try aptitude reinstall. |
| 12:29.59 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 12:31.02 | ALEERIK | !list |
| 12:31.02 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:31.08 | ALEERIK | ciao |
| 12:31.13 | ALEERIK | !list |
| 12:31.13 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:31.21 | ALEERIK | a fffffff |
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| 12:34.26 | keith105 | hi folks, out of interest if you had your 192.168.0.0/24 subnet, and wanted to allow data from single point in the 192.168.50.0/24 network, what would you usually do in Debian to achieve this? |
| 12:34.42 | keith105 | im confused with iptables, taps, bridges etc.. |
| 12:35.56 | Bushmills | "allow data"? |
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| 12:37.07 | Iridos | and that's a strange thing to ask "out of interest", supposing I guess what he means |
| 12:37.08 | keith105 | Bushmills: to clarify, to allow the .50 network to reach the Internet through 192.168.0.1 and back again. |
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| 12:37.43 | keith105 | it's "out of interest" as i see many options online though unsure of what is most suited to my needs ;) |
| 12:37.56 | H2S04 | Bushmills, I guess he wants to drop all connections but one from a specific address? |
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| 12:38.01 | nevyn | define back again. |
| 12:38.02 | Bushmills | you'd set up NAT on 192.168.0.1, tell .50.x hosts to use 192.168.0.1 as gateway |
| 12:38.08 | H2S04 | keith105, ... it depends on what you're doing, your question is rather vague |
| 12:38.49 | nevyn | keith105: you can nat the ip in the 50 subnet reasonably trivially |
| 12:38.58 | H2S04 | how are the subnets set up |
| 12:38.59 | H2S04 | is the machine set up as a router |
| 12:38.59 | H2S04 | etc etc |
| 12:39.12 | keith105 | im just wantin to setup a test lab at home, with virtualised machines / routers, yet allow them to get online |
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| 12:40.08 | keith105 | no 192.168.0.1 is adsl router, 192.168.50.254 is currently a cisco emulated router, and from there virtual machines |
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| 12:40.25 | keith105 | thanks for NAT advice Bushmills and nevyn |
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| 12:41.21 | Bushmills | in that case, telling 192.168.50.x machines to use 192.168.0.1 as gateway should be enough |
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| 12:41.58 | Iridos | you have to do NAT with 192.168... it's for private subnets only... and you cannot have connections "and back" if that means incoming connections |
| 12:42.01 | Bushmills | router/gateway will already be configured to do NAT |
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| 12:42.20 | Iridos | you have one outside IP so for each port connections can only go to one machine behind the nat |
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| 12:42.38 | matias | Hello guys |
| 12:42.47 | Bushmills | i suppose "and back" means returned traffic |
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| 12:43.09 | matias | will it work anyway if I try to boot a 32bits live USB in a 64bits computer? |
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| 12:43.21 | Bushmills | matias: works |
| 12:43.28 | matias | thanks |
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| 12:43.43 | keith105 | the 192.168.0.1 is just a netgear router, i've configured firewalls rules on it before lookin into doing local translation here |
| 12:43.45 | Iridos | depends on the architecture of the "64 bits computer" :-P |
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| 12:44.39 | keith105 | Bushmills: yes returned traffic. im just curious as i think if i bridge interfaces, then all traffic from say .50 will go over .1? |
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| 12:44.48 | Bushmills | no bridging needed. |
| 12:44.49 | keith105 | i'd prefer to have a single end point in one subnet that can reach the internet, sorry if im being vague |
| 12:45.06 | Bushmills | routing preferred |
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| 12:45.35 | Bushmills | if 192.168.50.x hosts can ping 192.168.0.1, you're almost there |
| 12:47.06 | keith105 | at present no but i think i need to set the default gateway |
| 12:47.18 | keith105 | (on a cisco atm, but will be linux routers later for other testing) |
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| 12:52.03 | matias | how do I ask the bot about live cd's? I can't remember the syntax u.u |
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| 12:52.37 | matias | !help |
| 12:52.39 | timo | /msg dpkg live cd |
| 12:52.47 | matias | oh, ok, thank you |
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| 12:55.00 | rgr | debian squeeze, my network manager applet is saying nothing is connected but, as you can see, I clearly am. Any known fix? (new install btw). |
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| 12:56.19 | matias | where can I find _dpkg? |
| 12:56.36 | matias | never mind, I was testing dpkg, it's amazing hehe |
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| 13:10.43 | rgr | if I am using a server as an exim4 source, how can I be sure no one from outside is using it as a sendmail relay on squeeze? |
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| 13:11.00 | rgr | (I use exim4 on that via php to send mail from vhosts) |
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| 13:12.20 | petemc | rgr: dont have it listening on an external interface unless you need it to receive mail |
| 13:12.32 | petemc | rgr: exim -bP local_interfaces |
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| 13:13.06 | rgr | local_interfaces = <; ::0 ; 0.0.0.0 |
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| 13:13.17 | petemc | thats listening on all interfaces |
| 13:13.24 | rgr | crapola |
| 13:13.31 | rgr | ok thanks, I'll google |
| 13:13.39 | petemc | how did you configure exim4 initially? |
| 13:14.09 | rgr | hang on, I want it listening ;) it picks up and forwards email for my vhosts. |
| 13:14.25 | petemc | 'picks up' ? |
| 13:14.27 | rgr | but CBL had me listed as having a trojan sending mail. |
| 13:15.11 | rgr | look, if you want to play silly word games dont bother helping. You always do this. "picks up" is perfectly obvious in the context of this thread. |
| 13:15.16 | rgr | I will google. |
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| 13:15.36 | petemc | i really didnt know what it means, but im happy to ignore you from now on if thats what you want |
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| 13:16.51 | petemc | very tetchy.. |
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| 13:17.48 | Iridos | if it helps you, it's not perfectly obvious to me either... sounds like pop or imap? |
| 13:17.54 | petemc | yes, it does |
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| 13:25.28 | matias | I asked in #debian-live (in Debian's server) but none seems to be there. I'm trying to use live helper using this guide (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=25752) but it seems the repository is not available anymore, is it somewhere else? |
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| 13:30.28 | Iridos | http://live.debian.net/manual/ is the current documentation... |
| 13:30.34 | Iridos | I cherish my ignorance on the subject |
| 13:30.40 | wols | ma,versions live-helper |
| 13:30.44 | wols | ,versions live-helper |
| 13:30.46 | judd | Package live-helper on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.3-2; squeeze: 2.0.12-2 |
| 13:31.11 | wols | matias: you mean the repo for the live-helper package? |
| 13:31.54 | Iridos | ma? are you leading up to some type of "your mom" joke? |
| 13:34.03 | wols | Iridos: what part of "matias:" was unclear to you? |
| 13:34.15 | Iridos | heh |
| 13:34.23 | Iridos | the tias, obviously ;) |
| 13:35.10 | Iridos | !tias |
| 13:35.11 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 13:37.53 | aguitel | i installed debian in one pc but the only site to open is google.com ,no update or upgrade are working ,how fix this? |
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| 13:38.31 | dvs | aguitel: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 13:39.18 | aguitel | dvs: all is fine there |
| 13:39.28 | matias | wols, I'm sorry, I was on the phone. yes, the repo to install live helper |
| 13:39.32 | Iridos | well... find out what's wrong... ping 8.8.8.8 works? |
| 13:39.55 | aguitel | yes it works |
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| 13:40.31 | Iridos | and host www.somewhere.com ? |
| 13:40.36 | aguitel | no |
| 13:41.24 | Iridos | then your dns doesnt work... |
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| 13:41.56 | aguitel | how fix |
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| 13:43.24 | aguitel | Iridos: the pc have direct cable connection |
| 13:43.36 | wols | matias: as judd showed you above, live-helper is in the normal squeeze repos |
| 13:43.56 | wols | matias: and following a howto from 2008 is not a good thing to do |
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| 13:44.28 | matias | I mean, I was not following a howto from 2008 but I took the url of the repo from there and I saw it in many other guides so I thought it should be working |
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| 13:44.36 | matias | I couldn't find live-helper here, let me check again |
| 13:44.46 | wols | ,versions live-helper |
| 13:44.47 | judd | Package live-helper on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.3-2; squeeze: 2.0.12-2 |
| 13:44.53 | wols | as you can see, it's in squeeze/stable |
| 13:45.25 | wols | aguitel: ping 209.85.149.105 |
| 13:45.26 | matias | matias@localnode:~$ sudo aptitude search live | grep helper |
| 13:45.28 | matias | matias@localnode:~$ |
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| 13:45.47 | wols | well, then your apt setup is broken. fix it |
| 13:45.48 | aguitel | wols: it works |
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| 13:46.19 | matias | can anyone using squeeze show me his source.list please? |
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| 13:46.26 | matias | I believe it's ok |
| 13:46.34 | themill | dpkg: tell matias about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 13:55.09 | nsi | ls |
| 13:55.11 | nsi | clear |
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| 13:59.11 | ner0x | Is it common for a 32bit debian to be installed on a 64 bit arch system? |
| 13:59.23 | petemc | its not uncommon |
| 14:00.01 | ner0x | Seems a lot of perl modules fail install on 64. Thinking about switching to 32 for the passes. |
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| 14:00.30 | thewanderer1 | you should probably file bugs, too |
| 14:00.30 | scullder | hi #debian ! |
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| 14:01.24 | ner0x | thewanderer1: with perl or debian? |
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| 14:02.01 | thewanderer1 | ner0x: if they're from the repository, it goes to the respective packages on the Debian bug tracker |
| 14:02.50 | scullder | I'm testing FAI and I've a problem, I want to automate an action of the fai-server at the end of an installation |
| 14:03.02 | project2501a | scullder: do you have a fai tutorial? |
| 14:03.06 | scullder | do you have an idea please ? |
| 14:03.10 | project2501a | i would like to learn fai |
| 14:03.11 | scullder | yes, I've read the guide |
| 14:03.14 | ner0x | thewanderer1: They are not, installing on a local perl install. It's a self contained perl, so it *should* work. |
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| 14:03.16 | project2501a | is it any good? |
| 14:03.47 | scullder | the official doc is the best on the web : http://fai-project.org/fai-guide/ |
| 14:04.10 | scullder | yes, it's quick and easy, it installs Debian in less than 5 minutes on my servers |
| 14:04.22 | project2501a | thanks, man. it looked scary, and i thought i would take the opportunity to ask you :) |
| 14:04.28 | scullder | actually it's KISS and powerful |
| 14:04.41 | project2501a | can it intergrate with puppet? |
| 14:05.04 | scullder | no, it's easy if you just want to install a clean debian ;) |
| 14:05.14 | scullder | yes, I'm working on that :) |
| 14:05.35 | scullder | the difficulty is to automate everything |
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| 14:05.49 | project2501a | cool, i will the guide and i will try to integrate it somehow with puppet, since puppet is a requirement around here. |
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| 14:06.21 | boudiccas | project2501a, you will WHAT the guide? |
| 14:06.27 | scullder | fai just install the system, you can add packages (puppet), then you have to ssh on the machine to do the last task (ask and sign a cert) |
| 14:06.56 | project2501a | boudiccas: i will put in on the spit, with some olive oil and feta cheese. |
| 14:07.05 | scullder | :) |
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| 14:07.20 | boudiccas | prat! |
| 14:07.24 | pif | hi, where do I find the pci id of a card? |
| 14:07.35 | scullder | you can understand how to use fai effectively in one afternoon in fact ;) |
| 14:07.37 | project2501a | pif: lspci |
| 14:07.38 | wols | pif: lspci -v |
| 14:07.46 | scullder | so no fai user here ? :( |
| 14:07.56 | wols | scullder: ask in a redhat channel :P |
| 14:07.57 | project2501a | scullder: let me check over to irc.debian.org |
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| 14:08.09 | project2501a | wols: fai is debian :P |
| 14:08.14 | scullder | why wols ? |
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| 14:08.39 | project2501a | scullder: there is a #fai channel over in irc.debian.org |
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| 14:09.00 | scullder | thanks, i didn't know |
| 14:09.33 | wols | damn, misfuddled it with kickstart |
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| 14:09.47 | project2501a | yet one more greek |
| 14:10.22 | gnugr | huh |
| 14:10.27 | project2501a | sout re |
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| 14:20.02 | jelly | !fai |
| 14:20.02 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:23.10 | karlpinc | I've some sort of resolver problem. "ping -n www.google.com" works fine. "ping www.google.com" seems to spend a lot of time resolving, each ping is delayed multiple seconds. "getent hosts www.google.com" works fine. I've a local dns server and "dig www.google.com @localhost" works fine. When /etc/nsswitch.conf has the line "hosts: files dns mdns4" there's the ping problem. When nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files dns" there's no problem. |
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| 14:23.42 | karlpinc | What's going on? I figured if dns works then nsswitch.conf won't even try mdns4, but it seems to be slowing ping (and only ping?) down. |
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| 14:24.43 | karlpinc | (Debian stable.) |
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| 14:29.48 | pif | where do I find pci id's, example { 0x9005, 0x0285, 0x9005, 0x0294, 0, 0, 41 }, /* ESD SO-DIMM PCI-X SATA ZCR (Prowler) */ in the 'lcpci' output? |
| 14:30.07 | pif | I'm trying to add a card very similar to a supported card |
| 14:30.13 | pif | to a module source |
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| 14:30.27 | pif | but different pci id apparently |
| 14:30.30 | karlpinc | pif: I always use "lspci -nn". It's what's in the []. |
| 14:30.35 | pif | ah ok! |
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| 14:32.26 | karlpinc | Could my problem be some sort of ipv6 thing? |
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| 14:39.44 | _KaszpiR_ | hm |
| 14:39.45 | Futureproof | guys I have a quick question about the usage of SAN via iscsi. Say I have a target machine that a bunch of VM clients are going to be accessing. Would those clients be accessing the OS images via target or simply storage devices? |
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| 14:42.39 | nevyn | Futureproof: usage of SAN and usage of iscsi are orthoganal |
| 14:42.59 | nevyn | Futureproof: a SAN is not a disk array. |
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| 14:44.22 | Futureproof | Oh. I shouldn't have used the SAN term then |
| 14:44.24 | thewanderer1 | how do I enable multiple content suppliers in KLone? I want files that don't exist in embfs to be served from local filesystem. |
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| 14:48.55 | twobitsprite | what happened to slapd.conf? it doesn't seem to be in squeeze, but the wiki still refers to it... |
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| 14:49.20 | scullder | twobitsprite, disappeared |
| 14:49.26 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite: LDAP configuration is now *within* the LDAP tree, welcome to Sparta :P |
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| 14:50.09 | scullder | If you have good documentation about this, I'm interested |
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| 14:50.16 | thewanderer1 | if you want to preserve your sanity: write a working slapd.conf (can take an example one) and run the migration script in /usr/share/doc or whereever it was |
| 14:50.43 | thewanderer1 | and about documentation... yeah right :P |
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| 14:51.38 | scullder | it's hard when you have never used ldap and that debian packages are far far away from official documentation |
| 14:52.17 | dawud | scullder: I found http://www.zytrax.com/books/ldap/ useful |
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| 14:52.31 | pipeline | thewanderer1, twobitsprite : just to get it out of the way, OpenLDAP would probably be my dead last choice of LDAP implementation. That said, every other LDAP implementation stores its configuration inside of the LDAP tree. Storing configurations is a great use for LDAP. *shrug* |
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| 14:54.01 | Sw33NY | hi all |
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| 14:55.19 | pipeline | dawud, scullder : my background on LDAP that made 389/FDS/Netscape massively more comprehensible was http://www.amazon.com/LDAP-Directories-Explained-Introduction-Analysis/dp/020178792X/ |
| 14:55.42 | pipeline | dawud, scullder : it's seriously a ground up introduction to the standard, what LDAP is for etc. Does not cover any specific implementation at all, it's just the background data you need to understand vendor docs :P |
| 14:55.59 | scullder | thanks pipeline :) |
| 14:56.11 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: does it come with a "LDAP barf bag"? :P |
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| 14:56.21 | karlpinc | I found the ldap rfcs helpful, but there's gobs of them. |
| 14:56.28 | pipeline | Futureproof: there are two parts here. If you want to use iSCSI for shared storage, the clients (the VM hosts) will need to use a cluster filesystem to arbitrate control of the block device |
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| 14:57.09 | RMCampos | hi all |
| 14:57.13 | RMCampos | when i try to fix samba, with apt-get -f install, returns this http://pastebin.com/6Q0kbFbP, someone can help? |
| 14:57.16 | pipeline | Futureproof: if you're building your own storage from commodity hardware, it's often easier (and even higher performance!) to use NFSv3 over TCP instead of a cluster filesystem + iSCSI/ATAoE |
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| 14:59.50 | digicon | I have been looking for a postgresql-9.0-postgis package in squeeze-backports, but aptitude keeps suggesting postgresql-8.4-postgis when installing postgis |
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| 15:00.29 | digicon | i was going to make a bug report, but I don't know where to put it... should I add a report to postgresql-8.4-postgis to make a new one for 9.0 or what? |
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| 15:07.23 | squeeze_me | does anyone know what would cause network manager not allow you to change settings without launching the menu in root? in ubuntu, the gksu box comes up, but its grayed out in debian |
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| 15:09.12 | nevyn | squeeze_me: is your user a member of netdev ? |
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| 15:14.45 | squeeze_me | nevyn: yes, it is |
| 15:15.26 | nevyn | squeeze_me: has it always been a member of netdev? |
| 15:15.31 | squeeze_me | i can change more settings, but not things that require root privilages |
| 15:15.43 | squeeze_me | its a recent isntall, so i would assume so |
| 15:15.49 | squeeze_me | should i re-add the user? |
| 15:15.53 | nevyn | squeeze_me: nah. |
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| 15:17.04 | squeeze_me | the key icon in the nm popup is all grayed out and hwen you hit apply, it jus closes |
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| 15:17.29 | michelem | hello folks |
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| 15:17.39 | squeeze_me | hi michelem |
| 15:17.49 | michelem | how the heck do I remove startup scripts with insserv? |
| 15:18.14 | michelem | "update-rc.d -f X remove" does not survive reboots, and insserv -r either |
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| 15:19.26 | thewanderer1 | !why is cyassl not in squeeze |
| 15:19.27 | dpkg | thewanderer1: what are you talking about? |
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| 15:19.45 | simonlnu | "...not in testing" |
| 15:19.58 | thewanderer1 | hm, ok... |
| 15:20.06 | thewanderer1 | !why is yassl not in testing |
| 15:20.06 | dpkg | yassl is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=yassl |
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| 15:20.24 | simonlnu | ;) |
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| 15:21.06 | thewanderer1 | !why won't you port it yourself and push it into the archive, dpkg? |
| 15:21.07 | smoove67 | hello i've connected a external monitor to my laptop via hdmi cable. it does not get recognised by my system (debian squeeze, nvidia-drivers). what can i do? |
| 15:21.11 | squeeze_me | is there a way to do internet connection sharing with eth0 easily with wicd without networm manager? |
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| 15:22.17 | dkr | is confused by the mixture of windows and linux nomenclature |
| 15:22.38 | thewanderer1 | I think it does routing+SNAT |
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| 15:23.13 | simonlnu | networm? :) |
| 15:23.17 | Spami|Thug | Bonjour |
| 15:23.47 | blinki | I'm having problems with netflow from my asa5505 being sent to nfsen or ntop. neither display my flows; anybody familiar with this? |
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| 15:24.54 | webad_13 | guys, I set the timeout to 0 in grub2 and now I am unable to access menu even with the ESC or SHIFT |
| 15:24.59 | webad_13 | is this normal behavior? |
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| 15:25.10 | squeeze_me | does nayone know how to stop hissing from the laptop speaking when headphones are plugged in? |
| 15:25.16 | squeeze_me | speaker |
| 15:25.23 | simonlnu | webad_13: there's docs for this sort of info |
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| 15:26.00 | simonlnu | squeeze_me: turn off your mic? |
| 15:26.17 | squeeze_me | hmm |
| 15:26.20 | squeeze_me | in alsamxier? |
| 15:26.25 | BlackFate | hello. in old-stable, what should i do to add a secondary ip address. use the old way with eth0:0 or use the up ip addr add way? thanx |
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| 15:27.23 | squeeze_me | also, sometiems xfce terminal does not refresh its window and remaing blank |
| 15:27.23 | Black_Prince | BlackFate eth0:0 would do the trick. |
| 15:27.42 | squeeze_me | do you know when wicd will have internet connection sharing |
| 15:27.48 | webad_13 | simonlnu, any kind of link or advice would be usefull... it is a bit urgent |
| 15:28.01 | squeeze_me | is there another network manager besides wicd or gnm |
| 15:28.05 | simonlnu | info grub perhaps... |
| 15:28.18 | BlackFate | Black_Prince, i am going to upgrade to debian6 in a few months. eth0:0 is still they way for squeeze? |
| 15:28.36 | Black_Prince | Yea. Squeeze uses still same network tools. |
| 15:28.44 | nevyn | eww named virtuals. |
| 15:28.51 | BlackFate | Black_Prince, thanx |
| 15:29.07 | jelly | nevyn: you might even say eww, ifconfig |
| 15:29.13 | nevyn | indeed |
| 15:30.10 | nevyn | ip addr add 192.168.1.2 dev eth0 |
| 15:30.10 | Black_Prince | I saw that net-tools upstream is going to 'release' version 1.65 |
| 15:31.03 | nevyn | there are network constructs that are invisible to ifconfig. |
| 15:31.46 | Black_Prince | Well, in 8 years time networking has improved a lot, and that is the last time since debian version of ifconfig was released ... |
| 15:31.50 | nevyn | given that anonymous ip aliases exist relying on ifconfig to tell you what's happening with networkign is ill advised. |
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| 15:34.00 | jelly | nevyn: still, there's no infrastructural support for iproute2 and eth0:0 is still supported with ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 15:34.40 | nevyn | but that's a sadtimes thing and should be fixed. ;) |
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| 15:35.02 | Petaris | Hello |
| 15:35.05 | jelly | nevyn: go, join the ipcfg team and work on fixing it. Thanks in advance. |
| 15:35.10 | Black_Prince | Err, quick question. What encoder/ripper can I use to convert dvd to mkv or avi? |
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| 15:35.19 | Black_Prince | !beer jelly |
| 15:35.19 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Piraat for jelly |
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| 15:35.40 | nevyn | Black_Prince: mencoder or transcode can do that. |
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| 15:36.20 | Black_Prince | Thanks nevyn |
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| 15:36.43 | D4rKr0W | hello, i'm trying to install curlftpfs and configuring it to be mounted through /etc/fstab |
| 15:36.44 | Petaris | I am trying to install debian 6 from a netinstall cd but when I get to choosing a mirror all the ones I have tried are giving me an error about not supporting the specified release |
| 15:36.44 | nevyn | Black_Prince: it's slightly more complicated than that |
| 15:37.05 | D4rKr0W | i've got an issue though: how can i specify the mount user in the /etc/fstab entry? |
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| 15:37.16 | nevyn | Black_Prince: you'll need a dvd riper that extracts the mpeg stream from the dvd too. |
| 15:37.29 | nevyn | D4rKr0W: for what filesystem? |
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| 15:37.34 | D4rKr0W | curlftpfs |
| 15:37.35 | Black_Prince | Agh ... |
| 15:37.38 | D4rKr0W | fuse |
| 15:37.54 | Black_Prince | So another question, with what program I can extract mpeg stream from dvd? |
| 15:38.10 | D4rKr0W | i'm trying to serve a remote ftp directory through apache and i need the mount user to be accessible by apache |
| 15:38.18 | wols | Petaris: try us or de |
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| 15:38.48 | wols | Black_Prince: CSS involved? |
| 15:38.56 | Black_Prince | wols, no. |
| 15:38.58 | D4rKr0W | nevyn: any ideas on how to do that? |
| 15:39.10 | wols | Black_Prince: then mount it and there you have the vob files? |
| 15:39.14 | Petaris | wols: I have been trying US, just tried Germany and I get the same thing? |
| 15:39.17 | nevyn | D4rKr0W: how do you specify it to mount? |
| 15:39.20 | Petaris | Must be a local issue |
| 15:39.34 | Black_Prince | Hm, will look for that. Thanks wols |
| 15:39.42 | wols | Petaris: you don't need to have a network connection for netinstall, you can fix it later easily |
| 15:39.46 | D4rKr0W | nevyn: like this curlftpfs#ftp.host.com /mnt/host fuse rw,uid=500,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 15:39.48 | squeeze_me | is the fatal error on boot with fbcon irrelevant |
| 15:39.53 | wols | Petaris: and what is the error, or what does the sources.list say? |
| 15:39.57 | Black_Prince | I seem to be dumb when it comes for multimedia |
| 15:40.06 | Black_Prince | comes to multimedia* |
| 15:40.17 | nevyn | D4rKr0W: so put the uid=500 in the options section of fstab |
| 15:40.38 | nevyn | Black_Prince: run apt-cache search dvd and look through the list |
| 15:41.00 | nevyn | Black_Prince: you'll probably want to configure debian multimedia repositories first |
| 15:41.05 | nevyn | !marillat |
| 15:41.06 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 15:41.12 | Black_Prince | nevyn, I have that. |
| 15:41.29 | Black_Prince | nevyn, I also have ffmpeg and mplayer from there |
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| 15:41.44 | Petaris | wols: screen shot of the error http://f.imgtmp.com/cej39.png |
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| 15:42.14 | nevyn | Black_Prince: did you run apt-cache search like I said |
| 15:42.44 | Petaris | wols: ifconfig isn't there, is there a way to check the current IP address and ping something? |
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| 15:42.51 | Petaris | ping doesn't seem to be there either |
| 15:42.53 | Petaris | :/ |
| 15:43.05 | Black_Prince | Petaris, do you know what network card do you have? |
| 15:43.09 | Black_Prince | nevyn, yes I did |
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| 15:43.26 | wols | Petaris: is wget? |
| 15:43.41 | wols | so simply wget the url shown there |
| 15:43.47 | Petaris | Black_Prince: e1000 |
| 15:43.54 | wols | !e1000 |
| 15:43.54 | dpkg | [e1000] the Intel PRO/1000 driver, included included in mainline Linux kernels. Driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sf.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000%20stable/ . See also <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. |
| 15:43.56 | pundit | what is the difference between "dpkg --get-selections" and "dpkg -l"? piping into "| wc -l" shows a different number of installed packages. and what are the flags "ii" etc at the beginning of the output of "dpkg -l"? |
| 15:44.24 | Petaris | wols: Yes, wget is there |
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| 15:44.40 | wols | pundit: dpkg -l |less read the output carefully from the top |
| 15:44.56 | wols | Petaris: so try to use it. ip you can probably find somewhere in /proc I guess |
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| 15:46.54 | shrimpwagon | Yo peoples. I got a new prob. I recently did an apt-get distro-update to upgrad to Squeeze and now I can't ./configure. Says no C++ compiler found. |
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| 15:47.20 | wols | !tell shrimpwagon about b-e |
| 15:47.22 | shrimpwagon | I have gcc package installed |
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| 15:47.51 | pundit | wols ok that explains the flags of "dpkg -l". and why a different number of installed packages than with "--get-selections"? |
| 15:47.51 | squeeze_me | do you use wicd or gnm |
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| 15:47.59 | wols | shrimpwagon: and this has what bearing on your problem? |
| 15:47.59 | Petaris | wols: I'm getting back the error "wget: bad address" |
| 15:48.16 | Petaris | I have tried a couple different addresses just to test |
| 15:48.19 | thewanderer1 | shrimpwagon: apt-get install build-essential |
| 15:48.22 | wols | Petaris: not everything showing with dpkg -l is installed as you should know when you read the explanation for the flags |
| 15:48.27 | nsadmin | shrimpwagon, as the dpkg /msg says, install build-essential |
| 15:48.56 | wols | Petaris: imho your network is fubar. simply install and fix it later is my advice. then you at least have a ping, ifconfig and other necessities |
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| 15:49.02 | nsadmin | that will install a minimal set that will at least let you build stuff against libc |
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| 15:49.24 | Petaris | wols: Ok, I'll play with it a bit more first and then move on |
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| 15:49.33 | shrimpwagon | Did the upgrade change what I had? Before the distro-upgrade I could compile no prob? Did something change with Squeeze or something? |
| 15:49.46 | nsadmin | most likely it did |
| 15:50.59 | shrimpwagon | thanks so much! That seemed to work!!! |
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| 15:51.09 | wols | shrimpwagon: for next time, ./configure produces a logfile. if you look at it you can usually solve your problems alone |
| 15:51.20 | wols | config.log or such IIRC |
| 15:51.24 | nsadmin | most likely what has changed is versions of the individual members of the toolchain |
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| 15:51.41 | pundit | wols thanks for your explanation of "dpkg -l"! :) |
| 15:51.51 | shrimpwagon | wols: right, I did check that out |
| 15:52.06 | nsadmin | which was also explained in man dpkg :) |
| 15:52.11 | wols | the logfile usually gives the original error messages |
| 15:52.29 | wols | nsadmin: manpages are only there to fill up disks so seagate doesn't go bankrupt |
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| 15:56.05 | nsadmin | pundit, if you run dpkg --help you will see a large handful of tricks dpkg knows how to do |
| 15:57.41 | Petaris | wols: I think I found the issue |
| 15:58.04 | Petaris | wols: I put commas between my DNS servers by mistake |
| 15:58.12 | wols | oops :) |
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| 15:59.41 | shrimpwagon | I'm trying to FUSE S3 using s3fs. It doesn't have a Debian package...at least not that I can tell. Is it a good idea to make my own package for it? Thank you in advance. |
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| 16:01.09 | nsadmin | well if you know how to package that's one thing... that is a fairly large if |
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| 16:01.41 | shrimpwagon | nsadmin: Too much trouble? Probably should just 'make install' ??? |
| 16:02.02 | nsadmin | the other approach is to arrange to install in places not "owned" by debian, such as /opt, your home dir, /usr/local (-not- /usr) |
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| 16:03.04 | nsadmin | one thing you can do is install it in a place where it's the only thing installed (like /usr/local/foothingy) so that you can remove it easily |
| 16:03.27 | nsadmin | but then you would have to add to PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 16:03.46 | shrimpwagon | I'm no noob but I'm no guru. But how do you "install" into /opt. I have read that /opt is for additional programs and what not. I usually save the program folder in /root and compile from there |
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| 16:04.29 | nsadmin | you set the --prefix when you ./configure |
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| 16:04.50 | wols | shrimpwagon: when you use ./configure, ./configure --help |less gives you a list of options. among them is one which lets you choose the install directory. /usr/local by default |
| 16:05.03 | wols | shrimpwagon: I'd suggest you type "/msg dpkg stow" |
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| 16:05.22 | nsadmin | well that's 99.9% true |
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| 16:05.48 | nsadmin | but the help option will also usually mention the default |
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| 16:07.36 | shrimpwagon | wols: Ah, cool, you know your stuff there |
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| 16:07.48 | dokma | hey guyz... I'm trying to modify php5-xdebug to add trace trigger functionality. so I did apt-get source , unpacked, modified the source, how do I create the package from the source? |
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| 16:07.58 | shrimpwagon | man, the heavy hitters are on today! |
| 16:08.05 | wols | no I don't. I've just a serviceably memory for #debian logs |
| 16:08.20 | wols | dokma: dpkg-buildpackage for example |
| 16:08.20 | nsadmin | dokma, you can use dpkg-buildpackage or... |
| 16:08.30 | nsadmin | debian/rules clean |
| 16:08.34 | nsadmin | debian/rules build |
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| 16:08.42 | nsadmin | debian/rules binary |
| 16:08.55 | wols | nsadmin: !enter |
| 16:08.57 | dokma | I'll try the dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:09.51 | nsadmin | read its docs |
| 16:10.01 | dokma | ok, thanks |
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| 16:12.40 | bencc | whe editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config, can I just add my lines at the end of the file? will it overwrite previous |
| 16:12.41 | bencc | or do I have to edit each line in the body of the file |
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| 16:14.28 | Oak | hi, Archlinux users say if you don't update (pacman -S) your system for two weeks or more you might have to download updates worth 500+ MB. How is it like in Debian. How does it work in Debian? How often updates break packages? |
| 16:15.14 | Black_Prince | Oak, if you use stable, you will rarely see updates. If you use unstable or testing, effect might be the same as in ArchLinux ... |
| 16:15.47 | somiaj | Oak: I update sid every few months (sometimes longer) .. The downloads can get fairly big, I have 400-500meg downloads at times, brakeage happens, but I find it smooth for the most part. |
| 16:15.50 | NightMiles | I use sid (unstable) and I sometimes see spikes up to 250MB, but that maybe happens once every couple of months |
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| 16:16.24 | dasei | Oak: unless a dist-upgrade, packages don't break, ppa can sometimes |
| 16:16.48 | NightMiles | And yes, sometimes sid updates will break your stuff :) |
| 16:16.55 | Thorn_ | Hi everyone, I'm attempting to upgrade from lenny to squeze, but after updating sources.list, performing apt-get update and then attempting apt-get dist-upgrade, apt seems intent on removing the entire system. http://pastebin.com/sQEWRL1E . What have i done wrong, and is there anyway i can correct it without a fresh reinstall ? |
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| 16:18.48 | judgen | hello all my mates. Finally wekend. |
| 16:18.53 | Oak | thanks a lot guys. appreciate it. |
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| 16:21.01 | dasei | Thorn : I assume you didn't alter anything yet ? |
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| 16:21.08 | Thorn_ | not yet |
| 16:21.51 | dasei | Thorn : Get an riginal sources.list back, run apt-get update, then sudo updatemanager -d , go with the gui |
| 16:21.57 | dasei | original* |
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| 16:22.23 | Thorn_ | alright i'll try that, thanks :) |
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| 16:25.19 | Thorn_ | updatemanager does not exist, and is it a terminal-based gui (will it actually run on a headless server?) |
| 16:25.52 | dasei | Thorn : http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ , for easy souces.list |
| 16:26.08 | Thorn_ | that's the site i used :) |
| 16:26.26 | jelly | judd: file bin/updatemanager |
| 16:26.31 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 16:26.32 | Black_Prince | dasei, I don't think that updatemanager exists in debian ... It exists in Ubuntu |
| 16:26.53 | Black_Prince | dasei, and also we tend to use root login or su, not sudo. |
| 16:27.03 | Thorn_ | there is an update-manager in apt, yet it appears to be a gnome application |
| 16:27.21 | Black_Prince | !sudo |
| 16:27.21 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 16:28.53 | Nu^253r | whats the debian way for software thing called?! |
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| 16:29.33 | babilen | Nu^253r: aptitude? But you might want to provide more information ... |
| 16:30.02 | jelly | Nu^253r: what are you trying to do |
| 16:30.04 | boudiccas | Nu^253r, apt-get? but we need more info as to what you are thinking of |
| 16:30.04 | Nu^253r | i meant the debian moto guidline on software |
| 16:30.17 | babilen | moto guidline? |
| 16:30.22 | jelly | vrooom |
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| 16:30.29 | babilen | Nu^253r: Are you referring to the Debian Policy? |
| 16:30.35 | babilen | jelly: heh |
| 16:30.37 | timo | Nu^253r: dfsg? |
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| 16:30.38 | Nu^253r | thats the one babilen |
| 16:30.43 | babilen | \o/ |
| 16:31.03 | Black_Prince | synaptic ... doh |
| 16:31.04 | Black_Prince | I was late |
| 16:31.16 | babilen | Black_Prince: And you said "synaptic" ;) |
| 16:31.22 | jelly | !social contract |
| 16:31.22 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see http://www.debian.org/social_contract Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software. |
| 16:31.39 | Black_Prince | It is 'software thing' ... |
| 16:31.44 | jelly | !policy |
| 16:31.44 | dpkg | hmm... policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 16:32.18 | Nu^253r | i was looking for this The Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 16:32.34 | Nu^253r | exactly what timo said |
| 16:32.42 | babilen | dpkg: no, policy is <reply>policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 16:32.42 | dpkg | okay, babilen |
| 16:32.45 | Nu^253r | sorry to have botheru u all |
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| 16:33.22 | jelly | babilen: diff? |
| 16:33.28 | babilen | jelly: <reply> |
| 16:33.33 | Thorn_ | Is there any easy way to resolve this apt problem without wiping it and reinstalling? |
| 16:33.43 | dasei | Black_Prince: sry, was distracted for a second, thanks |
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| 16:33.50 | jelly | babilen: oh. did you verify it wasn't a symlink to some other factoid? |
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| 16:34.43 | dasei | Thorn_: the release notes describe the proper way, also headless |
| 16:34.52 | Nu^253r | love you Debianoids, thanx for the time |
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| 16:35.43 | Thorn_ | D'oh, never thought of reading the release notes, thanks |
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| 16:36.28 | Black_Prince | !hug Nu^253r |
| 16:36.28 | dpkg | gives Nu^253r a hug |
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| 16:37.57 | adrenlinerush | anybody have issues with pam_mkhomedir not copying over the default skel folder with wibind auth? |
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| 16:39.12 | CyL | Is there any way to easily reestore the gnome-terminal bell sound in Debian? |
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| 16:40.25 | Black_Prince | CyL, install freedesktop-sound-theme, and enable it in sound properties. |
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| 16:41.23 | CyL | Black_Prince: thanks for the advice |
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| 16:44.26 | CyL | Black_Prince: Strangely I have it installed, but it doesn't show up in the sound preferences |
| 16:45.03 | Black_Prince | It is shown as default in Volume Control - System Sounds |
| 16:45.22 | CyL | Well, I already have it selected... |
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| 16:50.01 | b0o-supermario | Hello |
| 16:50.13 | b0o-supermario | Which is kfreebsd channel? |
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| 16:50.54 | ZykoticK9 | b0o-supermario, it's on the OFTC IRC network, sorry I forget the specific channel name |
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| 16:51.31 | dkr | b0o-supermario: #debian-kbsd |
| 16:51.38 | b0o-supermario | What?! I'm not ready to play with racists... Is there other irc network? |
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| 16:51.48 | b0o-supermario | I mean i hate oftc |
| 16:52.00 | dkr | b0o-supermario: irc.debian.org |
| 16:52.06 | b0o-supermario | Ok |
| 16:52.15 | dkr | ZykoticK9: shhhhh. ;) |
| 16:52.25 | ZykoticK9 | dkr, lol |
| 16:52.39 | Black_Prince | lolz |
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| 16:53.07 | b0o-supermario | But kfreebsd seems stupid... They don't recommend us to install ports/packages/nativebinaries, etc along with deb... |
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| 16:53.19 | b0o-supermario | Thanks anyway |
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| 16:54.43 | b0o-supermario | What is default desktop environment for debian? |
| 16:55.13 | cahoot | gnome if there's one |
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| 16:55.22 | b0o-supermario | Ok |
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| 17:01.37 | opusculum | trying to install backports kernel but get this dependency... |
| 17:01.42 | opusculum | The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 : Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but 2.6.32-31 is to be installed |
| 17:02.20 | jelly | b0o-supermario: kfreebsd is Debian before being anything else |
| 17:02.27 | opusculum | just did this on another squeeze box with no complaints. |
| 17:02.29 | babilen | opusculum: How do you install it? |
| 17:02.30 | Black_Prince | opusculum, apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 |
| 17:02.36 | opusculum | apt-get |
| 17:02.55 | opusculum | ah.. forgot the -t ... |
| 17:02.56 | babilen | opusculum: Does you command matches the one given by Black_Prince? |
| 17:03.14 | opusculum | thx |
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| 17:05.55 | webad_13 | I am in need of help :)... here is what I did - I wanted to make my linux installation non-accessible for other users so I've set timeout to 0 while setting windows as a default system. Now the menu is not shown as I would expect, but also the ESC or SHIFT do not work which I did not expect. Is there any way for me to enter the menu |
| 17:06.09 | webad_13 | this is in grub2 |
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| 17:06.53 | shrimpwagon | I think I need libcurl-dev. I'm in aptitude and I see it but it is only a virtual package. Am I missing something here? |
| 17:07.12 | twobitsprite | webad_13: I thought timeout 0 meant no timeout |
| 17:07.33 | thewanderer1 | shrimpwagon: libcurl4-gnutls-dev or libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 17:08.02 | shrimpwagon | thewanderer1: Cool, how would I look this info up myself next time...so I don't have to ask ;) |
| 17:08.19 | webad_13 | twobitsprite, yes I dindn't want users to know that there is a linux installation present... so it immediatelly chooses windows without displaying any options |
| 17:08.33 | thewanderer1 | shrimpwagon: all I did was actually `apt-cache search libcurl dev` :P |
| 17:08.46 | twobitsprite | webad_13: no, I mean, I thought timeout 0 would wait forever, i.e., doesn't time out |
| 17:08.47 | webad_13 | but now, I am not able to boot with holding ESC |
| 17:08.47 | thewanderer1 | (it does logical AND automatically) |
| 17:08.55 | shrimpwagon | thewanderer1: Haha, ok, ty so much |
| 17:09.10 | webad_13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.52 | shrimpwagon | thewanderer1: libcurl4-gnutls-dev conflicts with libcurl-dev (provided by libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 17:11.53 | shrimpwagon | thewanderer1: I already have libcurl4-openssl-dev installed |
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| 17:12.35 | thewanderer1 | shrimpwagon: yes, they're mutually exclusive - you need to choose between GnuTLS or OpenSSL |
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| 17:19.19 | Black_Prince | You don't say ... |
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| 17:20.36 | shrimpwagon | haha, sorry, my lovely coworker flipped over my keyboard so my Deloarean would have a ramp |
| 17:20.45 | shrimpwagon | must have hit enter doing so |
| 17:20.47 | judgen | q: any clipboard manager that does NOT live in system tray? |
| 17:21.02 | judgen | preferably GTK |
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| 17:28.59 | Iridos | autocutsel? :) |
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| 17:42.40 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1, pipeline, etc: sorry, I got pulled in to a meeting right after posting my question, but I read the backlog. thanks for the pointers :) |
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| 17:42.56 | twobitsprite | pipeline: which implementation would you recommend then? |
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| 17:45.56 | Futureproof | pipeline: Thats helpful. Maybe I'll go the nfs route but I was wondering how the clients will use the filesystem. Are the actual os image files stored on the server? Would it be common to see 20 different images (one per vm?) on the NFS/iscsi target ? |
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| 17:50.21 | Xethron_ | LOL! Facebook pays a company to smear Google's name about privacy... Now that attack exposed problems with Facebooks privacy. hahaha... http://goo.gl/4FmtT - For anyone interested in reading the story. |
| 17:50.43 | shrimpwagon | Not interested |
| 17:51.12 | babilen | Xethron: No spam here please. Take it elsewhere. |
| 17:51.26 | Xethron | Its not spam, its news.... |
| 17:51.32 | twobitsprite | no news either :P |
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| 17:51.51 | babilen | Xethron: Still not on-topic here and that "news" is quite old. Take it elsewhere, thank you. |
| 17:52.23 | Xethron | ok then... |
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| 17:54.58 | shrimpwagon | When ./configure, where does it notate options that were used |
| 17:55.05 | shrimpwagon | I looked in config.log but to no avail |
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| 17:56.01 | Black_Prince | Well, look again. There is everything you need. Anyways what is the problem? |
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| 17:56.38 | shrimpwagon | Not really a problem. I am trying to recompile PHP from an old configure and trying to find the options |
| 17:56.52 | shrimpwagon | Black_Prince: I really don't see it in config.log, I promise |
| 17:57.01 | Black_Prince | So, what do you need to see? |
| 17:57.50 | shrimpwagon | Black_Prince: hah, pretty much everything minus the actual configure line with the options I used |
| 17:58.26 | Black_Prince | ./configure options > somefile |
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| 17:59.25 | shrimpwagon | Black_Prince: Yeah, that didn't work at all |
| 17:59.52 | Black_Prince | Well, then define 'everything' |
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| 18:01.16 | Black_Prince | if(!isset($everything)){ $everything = 'your text goes here'; echo $everything; } |
| 18:02.10 | pipeline | twobitsprite: ApacheDS looks super-promising, but I have never used it in production. The apacheds management tools are also cool, and you can use those with any implementation |
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| 18:04.36 | adv_ | what font is debian using for the applications, places, system labels in gnome (top left) |
| 18:04.36 | adv_ | ? |
| 18:04.38 | rickbol | trying to get a broadcom driver (wl.ko) for squeeze on a 2.6.38 backport kernel. backport has linux-headers-2.6.38, but not linux-kbuild-2.6.38, so linux-headers won't install |
| 18:05.53 | pipeline | twobitsprite: I have gone to production with 389 DS. There is an experimental alioth project to package 389 DS for debian but no official/finished package. 389 DS is a fork of Netscape/Sun DS version 5.1. |
| 18:06.14 | pipeline | twobitsprite: it's basically the reference implementation of LDAP, the implementation to beat if you want to do something new |
| 18:06.40 | pipeline | twobitsprite: reliable multi-master replication (read-only replicas with referrals), truly insane transaction volumes (if your hardware can support it) essentially unlimited directory size |
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| 18:07.11 | pipeline | twobitsprite: and it's easy enough to set up that there's really no reason to prefer openldap, even if you only want to stuff 20 accounts in it, if it's worth having LDAP, it's worth doing 389 DS instead of OpenLDAP :P |
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| 18:07.47 | pipeline | twobitsprite: that's not to say apacheDS doesn't support a huge array of awesome features, I've just never had a finished implementation out there, under load, you know what I mean ? i can't swear up and down it's great, it just LOOKS really good :) |
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| 18:08.28 | runa | heyas. I've installed advancemame from source in a remote machine, I ssh into it and try to run advancemame, and I get: Error enabling the raw keyboard driver. Function ioctl(KDGKBMODE) failed. |
| 18:09.01 | pipeline | Futureproof: typically you're going to have one file per disk image, so, say, 1.25-1.5 large files in use per VM |
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| 18:09.25 | runa | the thing is that I straced the process, and it's trying to do ioctl KDGKBMODE to /dev/tty and I'm not sure if that's correct (what is /dev/tty if I'm logging via ssh??) |
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| 18:09.40 | pipeline | Futureproof: NFS is a pretty normal way to do these things, so your virtualization technology of choice should have no trouble using NFS locking natively... shouldn't require any thinking on your part, just mount the NFS filesystem wherever it is expected to be and off you go eh |
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| 18:10.05 | ZykoticK9 | runa, why advancemame? are you using an arcade monitor? I'm under the impression that development has stopped (could be wrong). SDLmame from d-m works great for me personally (NOT on an arcade monitor), best of luck. |
| 18:10.23 | twobitsprite | pipeline: thanks for the recommendation... At the risk of premature optimiation, I hesitate to use a java based implementation... but I suppose I'm not going to be maxing this thing out anyways... |
| 18:10.35 | runa | ZykoticK9: yep, inside an arcade gabinet. it's pretty sweet (when it works ;) |
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| 18:10.40 | pipeline | twobitsprite: haha java has a stupid reputation anyway |
| 18:10.40 | hjb | howdy. after upgrading my debian sid system, xmodmap -e 'clear Lock' has no effect any more |
| 18:10.41 | twobitsprite | I'll look in to the 389 DS |
| 18:10.47 | runa | ZykoticK9: but I think the problem it's pretty simple... |
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| 18:10.54 | pipeline | twobitsprite: the nasty truth people don't talk about is that java is insanely fast. Believe it or not, serving static tomcat, tomcat is actually faster than apache |
| 18:10.54 | hjb | my Caps Lock key is still working as Lock |
| 18:11.12 | hjb | this makes using awesome a little bit hard |
| 18:11.19 | pipeline | twobitsprite: but, like I said: I can't vouch for ApacheDS. I tried it in a lab and it ticked all the right boxes on features/ease-of-use, but without hvaing done it in production, how the hell do I know how it holds up under load, eh |
| 18:11.24 | hjb | any idea what's wrong here? |
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| 18:12.26 | pipeline | twobitsprite: people confuse the (insanely bad) java startup time for java performance, which tends to be really good. And it's even better if you use a java VM other than Sun's -- jrockit, Sun w/ zoned GC, and IBM are all much, much faster than hotspot w/ default garbage collection |
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| 18:12.34 | CyL | Hi, I have changed some X behaviour trough xset, how do I make this change permanent? |
| 18:12.43 | twobitsprite | pipeline: how well does 389 integrate with kerberos or AD? |
| 18:12.52 | macondo | hi all, i want to change the wm in gnome from metacity to fluxbox, what file i have to edit? i forgot. thx |
| 18:13.04 | pipeline | twobitsprite: that's a very complicated question. It depends on what you want to do. |
| 18:13.33 | twobitsprite | pipeline: I'm not really sure, I'm still sort of in requirements gathering phase, so I guess I'm just looking for generalities |
| 18:13.47 | pipeline | twobitsprite: what are you trying to accomplish ? |
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| 18:13.52 | hjb | noone? |
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| 18:14.17 | pipeline | CyL: I usually add those kinds of things to the top of my ~/.xsession |
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| 18:14.23 | twobitsprite | pipeline: centralized accounts and authentication for UNIX/Linux systems at least, with the possibility of integration with AD account/authentication |
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| 18:14.54 | CyL | pipeline: thanks, but what is the difference between this and xinitrc? |
| 18:15.28 | twobitsprite | !tell hjb -about sid |
| 18:15.33 | nvz | does anyone know what I might use to facilitate the creation of a thumbnail image of multiple images, something like what can be done with psnup kinda utilities for documents, to put several pages on one page? |
| 18:15.55 | pipeline | twobitsprite: if you have a reasonably small ratio of UNIX/Linux hosts to domain controllers, you don't need an external LDAP. You can use sssd or pam* to have UNIX hosts auth directly against active directory, no intermediaries. The only danger is that UNIX hosts tend to be kinda chatty. If you have hundreds and hundreds of UNIX hosts with many simultaneous logins, and only a pair of DCs, you could overburden them. |
| 18:16.18 | pipeline | CyL: xinitrc is old as hell, and typically used only by startx. xsession is used by both gdm/xdm and startx. |
| 18:16.23 | hjb | !tell hjb -about sid |
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| 18:16.38 | CyL | pipeline: thanks |
| 18:16.45 | twobitsprite | !tell hjb -about self tell |
| 18:16.50 | pipeline | nvz: imagemagick mosaic |
| 18:16.52 | nvz | basically trying to script something that will pull multiple images, and put several thumbnails side by side in a grid fashion to show what a movie or directory of images contains.. windows does this automatically in the filemanager.. |
| 18:17.16 | nvz | pipeline: I was thinking perhaps imagemagick would have something.. I'll read the docs see if I can work with that |
| 18:17.16 | pipeline | nvz: nautilus does that also iirc |
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| 18:17.26 | hjb | twobitsprite: thanks :) |
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| 18:17.45 | pipeline | nvz: imagemagick has a -mosaic option to generate the mosaic, you would want to knock out a perl script to enumerate files, generate thumbs, call imagemagick mosaic etc |
| 18:17.48 | twanny796 | where is the slapd.conf in openldap as installed and configured by apt-get ? |
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| 18:19.03 | nvz | pipeline: well i am in this instance wanting to do this for remote operations so I can see at a glance what it is I'm looking at.. so yeah I will probably hack something.. my perl-fu is not good.. I will likely use shell script or python depending on how complicated the process is |
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| 18:20.00 | nvz | pipeline: I generally hack stuff up piece by piece in my shell then script it.. and I usually use bash unti I realize its too complex then move to python. heh |
| 18:20.45 | nvz | I've been meaning to learn perl, but I'm still real new to it, and not comfortable enough to do my day-to-day automation in perl |
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| 18:21.15 | nvz | I'm particularly fond of python.. its very easy to use |
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| 18:22.35 | harpal | I want to know my dbus compile options, how to get that? |
| 18:23.36 | pipeline | nvz: that's one of the reasons I like perl -- it's straightforward to turn an existing bash script into a very bad, very ugly perl script |
| 18:23.47 | pipeline | nvz: seeing as your language of choice is python, I strongly recommend you START with python |
| 18:24.07 | nvz | on an unrelated note, I need some guidence on dealing with a broken package.. I was really tired last night and wanted to see if the newer pidgin would solve an issue I was having, and despite knowing better I went to pidgin.im and downloaded and tried to install the ubuntu ppa package, it now will not remove http://paste.debian.net/116879/ |
| 18:24.08 | pipeline | nvz: usually when you realize that shell is no longer adequate to your (ever-expanding) scope, it's too late and you're burdened with a lot of existing shell written for the task |
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| 18:24.39 | nvz | my best two options are dpkg -i the package again to at least have my package system work with errors each time, or to manually hack the status file and clean up the files by hand.. |
| 18:25.02 | nvz | just want to get advice before I fuck it up more |
| 18:25.03 | pipeline | nvz: that was almost criminally stupid haha http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/pidgin-ppa-uninstalling-woes-815031/ |
| 18:25.26 | pipeline | nvz: ubuntu quality control in multiverse/univers is practically nonexistent. How vile does a package have to be to find its way into a PPA ;) |
| 18:25.26 | nvz | pipeline: I know.. I was really tired.. it was 5am.. I wasnt thinking clearly |
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| 18:25.53 | pipeline | nvz: building debian packages badly is actually pretty easy. I often rebuild packages with upstream source for my own use... I just build crappy packages. Beats the hell out of some guy's PPA. |
| 18:25.54 | nvz | pipeline: I was thinking the same thing last night.. and thanking the debian gods that I am not an ubuntu user |
| 18:26.44 | pipeline | nvz: p.s. my present job is the maintenance of several tens of thousands of lines of self-modifying, code-generating ksh |
| 18:26.47 | nvz | pipeline: with it in a selected for remove state my package manager is of course broken because removes happen first and it errs out, with it set for install however I can still use the system I just get an error each time |
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| 18:27.11 | pipeline | nvz: the guy who started the work years ago intended to rewrite in perl if it ever got too complicated... but by the time that happened, it was too late. Now: years of suffering. |
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| 18:28.07 | dym | Hey, im trying to debug an nfs mount. The mount is created and /etc/export is correct. when i try to mount the folder on the remote server, nothing happens. any idea? |
| 18:28.33 | nvz | pipeline: well I normally do dumb shit with tools like tr, cut, sed, perl -e, cat, grep, and shell while read crap on the command line just to get the idea of what needs to happen since I am most familiar with those tools.. and if its a simple task I save it all to a shell script if I can see from doing one-liners its complex I just hack it in python |
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| 18:29.00 | dym | Oh, i acutally have some errormessages "Kernel does not have pseudo root support. is specfied in /etc/exports file." |
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| 18:29.47 | nvz | pipeline: I'm a huge fan of dirty hacks.. my solution to the damn package manager issue if someone doesn't advise me otherwise will likely be to go throw random exit 0's into the remove scripts or manually mucking around the status files.. |
| 18:30.49 | jelly | !hack nvz |
| 18:30.50 | dpkg | 0WnZ nvz and steals all of the p0rn on the hard drive. |
| 18:31.26 | Black_Prince | It should be pwnz |
| 18:31.33 | pipeline | nvz: have you tried --force-all --purge ? also, yes, futzing about with the postrm script is fine |
| 18:31.46 | pipeline | nvz: futzing about with postrm would normally be contraindicated, but this is a PPA piece of shit package |
| 18:31.51 | pipeline | nvz: so it's not surprising that it's dbbroken |
| 18:31.55 | nvz | pipeline: I did try force all but not with purge because I didnt figure that would make any difference |
| 18:32.22 | pipeline | nvz: it's important that you purge anyway, because god knows what extra files came in with that package |
| 18:32.53 | nvz | pipeline: I dont even know what ppa is other than to run away screaming.. but I was too incoherant last night to realize what I was doing until it was too late |
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| 18:33.48 | nvz | pipeline: its kinda sad how easy it is to make dpkg very unhappy |
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| 18:34.26 | pipeline | nvz: shocking news: replacing system files with garbage written by a kid in his mom's basement causes unpredictable behaviour |
| 18:34.42 | pipeline | nvz: today we learned: the package system does not install packages in a chroot, and scripts are executed in the system itself :P |
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| 18:35.01 | nvz | heh.. I knew all this already is the sad thing |
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| 18:35.16 | nvz | I feel really stupid for having even attempted this |
| 18:35.46 | nvz | I was just trying to get new pidgin code quickly while I had someone online to test it with |
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| 18:36.20 | pipeline | you were indeed very stupid for having tried this |
| 18:36.41 | pipeline | nvz: two options that would have sucked less: building a new package from upstream, or apt-get build-dep pidgin then ./configure --prefix=/opt/pidgin |
| 18:36.59 | pipeline | nvz: or, option 3: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local, then checkinstall. |
| 18:37.05 | pipeline | nvz: (never, ever use /usr/local without checkinstall.) |
| 18:37.14 | nvz | I have a few annoying users who use dumb shit like yahoo, msn, and aim.. and like those features like voice, cam, filetransfer..etc and of course they all had linux clients that sucked at one point, but do not anymore.. and none of their windows clients work with any wine like software not even codeweavers |
| 18:37.45 | nvz | I was trying to find a solution to the problem.. knowing well at the time that even if I did these stupid companies would change their protocol and fuck it all up again |
| 18:38.54 | nvz | I need to just stop even talking to anyone who uses these services.. |
| 18:39.22 | nvz | you use aim and yahoo? sorry, I can't service your machine.. you're going to annoy me at some point |
| 18:40.12 | nvz | what I did for my cousin anyhow was take his windows install and move it into virtualbox so he could run the native clients in there.. seemed to shut him up anyhow |
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| 18:40.44 | nvz | I'm still thinking thats somehow against the microsoft EULA and trying to avoid doing that for anyone other than myself |
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| 18:42.22 | nvz | I mean the way I see it is, its hard to buy a laptop without windows, and I should be entitled to wipe it out and put debian on it then reinstall the windows that came with it in VB, but Ijust imagine a MS lawyer would disagree |
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| 18:44.39 | nvz | pipeline: I know now, having slept a few hours what I have to do to get newer pidgin code any number of ways.. I'm just stuck on the most sane way to fix the damage I caused |
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| 18:45.04 | nvz | pipeline: its hard to rationalize what is sane when you're dealing with an insane situation |
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| 18:46.18 | Calyp | nvz: "It's not a measurement of sanity, how much you can adopt to an insane society" |
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| 18:50.01 | JyZyXEL | why is "df" output so damn ugly? |
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| 18:50.12 | JyZyXEL | is there some prettier alternative? |
| 18:50.42 | rizzeh | df -h |
| 18:50.50 | JyZyXEL | its still horrible |
| 18:51.11 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: xdiskusage? |
| 18:51.22 | JyZyXEL | CLI |
| 18:51.41 | twobitsprite | so, you want a pretty CLI disk usage utility? |
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| 18:52.14 | JyZyXEL | just one with more width |
| 18:52.15 | twobitsprite | I don't see how you could make df any prettier on a CLI |
| 18:52.20 | twobitsprite | width? |
| 18:52.21 | torrancew | JyZyXEL: df -Ph | column -t |
| 18:52.34 | JyZyXEL | thank you! |
| 18:52.37 | JyZyXEL | very good |
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| 18:52.55 | twobitsprite | *shrug* |
| 18:52.58 | torrancew | -P compresses it onto one line (POSIX compliant), column -t normalizes the whitespace |
| 18:53.00 | twobitsprite | liked df -h beter |
| 18:53.02 | twobitsprite | better* |
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| 18:53.33 | torrancew | I read on a dev list that a new version of coreutils will have df default to one line per mountpoint output, FWIW |
| 18:53.34 | JyZyXEL | twobitsprite: im sorry to inform you but your wrong |
| 18:53.50 | torrancew | JyZyXEL: sorry to say, but I don't think he can be wrong about an opinion |
| 18:53.51 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: I am? I don't like that the df -h better? |
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| 18:54.21 | twobitsprite | and to think, all this time, I thought I knew what I liked.... |
| 18:54.44 | torrancew | twobitsprite: now you're just being smart ;) |
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| 18:54.58 | twobitsprite | torrancew: thanks ;P |
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| 18:56.23 | nsadmin | he spoke his own truth (I like ...) which can't be argued |
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| 18:58.27 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:59.09 | nvz | this is a fine example of the fact that its better to be pissed off than pissed on |
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| 19:00.00 | nvz | one user gets angry about how something works, and before you know it people are in a nonsense flamewar because the user didn't just ask how to solve the problem and involved their emotional distress |
| 19:00.42 | JyZyXEL | !flamewar |
| 19:00.42 | dpkg | flamewar is probably that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 19:01.12 | nvz | if I gotta chose sides I'm going with emacs and python but thats not really productive to debate |
| 19:02.08 | nvz | I chose my sides on the traditional flamewars because its easier to learn.. I know damn well the other side has more power and flexibility, but the learning curve adds time that makes it less useful for the task at hand |
| 19:02.10 | JyZyXEL | isn't comparing vi and emacs like comparing a config editor to an operating system |
| 19:02.25 | nvz | this is true |
| 19:02.46 | JyZyXEL | vim and emacs i might understand better |
| 19:02.48 | ompaul | and both have their applications |
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| 19:04.00 | nvz | right, well any idiot who has even ever written a hello world program in any programming language or perhaps even that has no prior knowledge at all but understands basic algabraic concepts can dive right into python and create anything from a mail reader to a cgi script and beyond in a matter of minutes.. the language is just that simple to use, and that well documented |
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| 19:04.31 | nvz | doesn't make it better than perl in the long run, but it makes it the quicker and easier solution to solve a current problem |
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| 19:05.57 | twobitsprite | !worse |
| 19:05.57 | dpkg | i heard worse is better |
| 19:07.16 | nvz | everyone knows perl is like bad handwriting.. its real easy to hack somehthing that even you couldn't understand at a later date.. pythons whitespace syntax makes it a lot harder to do that. You can still be horrible at programming and write obfusticated code, but its less likely |
| 19:07.19 | twobitsprite | dpkg: worse is also http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WorseIsBetter |
| 19:07.19 | dpkg | twobitsprite: okay |
| 19:07.24 | twobitsprite | !worse |
| 19:07.24 | dpkg | hmm... worse is better, or http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WorseIsBetter |
| 19:07.28 | twobitsprite | there we go |
| 19:07.30 | tuvwx | i shut down a perfectly working machine for a few days, then turned back on. now the ethernet interface (built-in Gbit ethernet; sky2 driver) has hw addr of 00:00:... and won't come up. ifconfig eth0 up -> cannot assign requested address |
| 19:08.32 | twobitsprite | nvz: code formating doesn't make for good code... I've seen plenty of examples of well formatted, pretty looking python which is complete speghetti code with absolutely no sense of planning or organization |
| 19:08.36 | tuvwx | this is on squeeze (stable), btw |
| 19:08.36 | nvz | tuvwx: are you statically configuring that interface? |
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| 19:09.09 | tuvwx | nvz: no. dhcp. but regardless, ifconfig eth0 up is before any dhcp configuration. it's got no ethernet address |
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| 19:10.03 | tuvwx | nvz: 'ifconfig eth0 <some.local.ip> gives the same result |
| 19:10.17 | ZykoticK9 | tuvwx, check to see if you have an eth1 (I had this issue with VMs and squeeze) |
| 19:10.42 | nvz | tuvwx: an unconfigured interface isn't suppose to have an address |
| 19:10.55 | nvz | other than a hw address |
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| 19:11.28 | nvz | tuvwx: you do need to examine or post your /var/log/dmesg to check for obvious stuff like ZykoticK9 pointed out |
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| 19:12.33 | nvz | I try to avoid sky2.. its still too shiny for me.. heh.. I like well worn in code |
| 19:12.43 | tuvwx | nvz: no eth1. eth0 exists, but not configurable (shows up only with 'ifconfig -a'). and that hw address is 00:00:00..., not the ip |
| 19:13.04 | tuvwx | nvz: any alternative drivers for the same hardware |
| 19:13.06 | tuvwx | ? |
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| 19:13.26 | nvz | tuvwx: idk, probably not.. I was just thinking out loud and it wasnt really relevant |
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| 19:14.13 | nvz | tuvwx: I'd have to actually see whats going on before I'd be able to say anything useful. You initial query inclines me to not believe a word you say |
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| 19:15.26 | nvz | not because you're a liar, but because either you did in fact do more than nothing to cause this, or because its something very obvious you're overlooking. If you could solve it yourself, you would have.. I would need to see what you're seeing.. the dmesg log, the ifconfig output.. etc |
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| 19:16.40 | nvz | I basically dont stop what I'm doing to debug hardware issues anymore without seeing the dmesg.log because that tells me everything from kernel version, on to other clues I could waste hours of multiple peoples time trying to decipher |
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| 19:18.27 | tuvwx | nvz: fair enough. obviously the machine is offline, so uploading logs will take a little longer |
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| 19:19.01 | dudz_ | just put the logs in the bin |
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| 19:23.15 | nvz | tuvwx: right, well nothing shouts out to me about this issue other than some possible random udev issue, or something configuration related changed that you're over looking |
| 19:24.30 | nvz | tuvwx: if you however have something more you can add like what version of debian, kernel version and anything you could possibly imagine other than it worked, I turned it off, came back few days later and now it doesnt work.. then maybe we have something to go on |
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| 19:25.51 | mateusz | Hi |
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| 19:25.55 | mateusz | i have a problem with flash movies freezing |
| 19:25.59 | mateusz | on debian sid |
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| 19:26.02 | mateusz | anyone experiencing this? |
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| 19:28.00 | Japeeh | mateusz: are you using the abobe flash player? |
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| 19:28.21 | mateusz | yes |
| 19:28.24 | mateusz | Japeeh, yes |
| 19:28.31 | mateusz | Japeeh, the one form debian |
| 19:28.32 | Japeeh | well in that case it is no surprise |
| 19:28.45 | Japeeh | because it is faulty in many ways |
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| 19:28.48 | mateusz | Japeeh, is there any alternative ? |
| 19:29.01 | Japeeh | I'm afraid there is not |
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| 19:29.17 | mateusz | Japeeh, all alternatives that I knew are even more faulty |
| 19:29.44 | Japeeh | linux isn't perfect in every way |
| 19:29.44 | mateusz | Japeeh, it did not used to behave like that, the same flash was plalying fine before |
| 19:29.54 | Japeeh | hmmm |
| 19:30.01 | Japeeh | then it might be different |
| 19:30.12 | mateusz | its the same version |
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| 19:30.54 | Japeeh | well I wouldn't know then |
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| 19:31.33 | nvz | mateusz: only time I have those kinda issues is when suspend/resume is involved or when I leave one paused for a long period of time it gets all choppy |
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| 19:32.25 | mateusz | nvz, I get it always in every possible movie |
| 19:32.28 | nvz | mateusz: to sum up how this is gonna go though.. 1) you're using flash.. thats reason enough for nobody to wanna bite on your issue, and 2) you're using sid.. stuff in sid is broken. thats why its there.. so.. |
| 19:33.02 | mateusz | nvz, aren't you using flash too ? |
| 19:33.13 | mateusz | nvz, or anyone having computer |
| 19:33.14 | nvz | mateusz: I use it primarily for hulu.com, and I use squeeze |
| 19:33.48 | nvz | because I dont have the time or patience or spare hardware to test sid without inturrupting my daily activity |
| 19:34.19 | nvz | and I have the sense to not use sid for daily use because that just makes me annoyed and an annoyance to everyone else in the community |
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| 19:34.56 | mateusz | nvz, as far as I know sqeez is quite outdated |
| 19:34.58 | nvz | I'd be more inclined to educate you on how to use stable, and if you need to, do sid backports, or setup sid chroots |
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| 19:35.33 | nvz | mateusz: then you're clearly not meant to be a debian user. I am a debian user because my priorities fall in line with those of debian.. stability, portability, freedom |
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| 19:35.55 | Petaris | Hello all |
| 19:36.04 | nvz | mateusz: there are other distros out there like ubuntu, and gentoo and such that are more focused on shiny new stuff |
| 19:36.28 | Petaris | I have a failed package install and when I try to run apt-get update it says I need to run dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:36.36 | mateusz | nvz, I am not focused on shiny stuff, just up to date libraries |
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| 19:36.45 | kzar | I'm using screen's readbuf command to read a file and then I'm writing it out to the screen. I need to mess with the line terminator, getting it into the windows style before I write it out, any ideas? (readbuf has an encoding switch but I don't see any description or examples) |
| 19:36.49 | Petaris | Is there a way to clear that without re-configuring as I manually finished the config of that package? |
| 19:37.04 | nvz | mateusz: for what purpose? are you a developer? |
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| 19:37.09 | mateusz | nvz, yes |
| 19:37.21 | nvz | mateusz: then you should use stable, and have a chroot for building |
| 19:37.45 | nvz | mateusz: that would not inturrupt your daily activity with broken stuff, but still allow you to build against newer libraries |
| 19:37.49 | jelly | Petaris: which package is it? |
| 19:37.53 | nvz | mateusz: its very easy to setup as well |
| 19:38.20 | Petaris | jelly: its an experimental package from an experimental repo package name is evergreen-ils |
| 19:38.31 | mateusz | nvz, sure.. I can make kvm machine with testing and report bug on flash there, will someone solve them problem then ? |
| 19:38.42 | Petaris | jelly: I'm testing it for the developers |
| 19:38.53 | karlpinc | I've some sort of resolver problem. "ping -n www.google.com" works fine. "ping www.google.com" seems to spend a lot of time resolving, each ping is delayed multiple seconds. "getent hosts www.google.com" works fine. I've a local dns server and "dig www.google.com @localhost" works fine. When /etc/nsswitch.conf has the line "hosts: files dns mdns4" there's the ping problem. When nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files dns" there's no problem. |
| 19:38.59 | karlpinc | What's going on? I figured if dns works then nsswitch.conf won't even try mdns4, but it seems to be slowing ping (and only ping?) down. |
| 19:39.06 | jelly | Petaris: oh, not part of Debian? put an exit 0 at the beginning of its postinst. |
| 19:39.20 | jelly | Petaris: and redo the dpkg --configure packagename (or -a) |
| 19:39.28 | karlpinc | ipv6? |
| 19:39.33 | nvz | mateusz: you can always try.. but like I said you're basically banging your head off the wall with this issue, especially in here.. because flash is proprietary which is a taboo subject in #d, and sid is sid.. |
| 19:39.34 | jelly | Petaris: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
| 19:39.43 | Petaris | jelly, thanks |
| 19:39.44 | Petaris | :) |
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| 19:40.17 | nvz | mateusz: you'd serve yourself best in the long run to conisder installing stable on your system and using debootstrap to set yourself up a nice chroot env for your development and perhaps even use schroot to make things easier |
| 19:40.23 | jelly | Petaris: this is Not the Proper Way, but you're not using a proper Debian package anyway |
| 19:40.29 | karlpinc | mateusz: There's not much we can do about flash if we wanted to. gnash on the other hand could be fixed.... (But not by me.) |
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| 19:40.52 | karlpinc | mateusz: Regards stable, see below: |
| 19:40.58 | karlpinc | !tell mateusz about overview |
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| 19:41.01 | mateusz | karlpinc, I wonder if lightspark is usable now |
| 19:41.26 | Petaris | jelly, yep, I know. Its still being developed and is in alpha if even that |
| 19:41.35 | karlpinc | mateusz: I've never bothered to get sound out of my computers, let alone video. :-/ |
| 19:41.38 | Petaris | jelly, not the software, but the package for it |
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| 19:42.03 | nvz | karlpinc: haha.. I f'n hate anything with sound events.. |
| 19:42.19 | mateusz | nvz, dont use mobile phone |
| 19:42.20 | mateusz | ;] |
| 19:42.22 | jelly | Petaris: yeah, there's going to be lots of installing, failing, purging, manually rm-ing bits, fixing the package, reinstalling... |
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| 19:43.02 | nvz | mateusz: I usually set it to vibrate or silence.. I get distracted just by the blinking light or screen turning on.. I don't need it being all loud about it.. I'm hyper aware |
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| 19:43.30 | Petaris | jelly, yep, but I was willing to test it for them so I can't complain as I was warned. And this is a thorw away vm anyway |
| 19:43.31 | Petaris | :) |
| 19:43.44 | nvz | mateusz: I like the microwave my parents have, it actually has a mute button.. nothing pisses me off more than an appliance that beeps repeatedly when I'm intentionally trying to ignore it |
| 19:44.33 | nvz | many food items have a "let stand" so why the hell does the appliance need to beep repeatedly when I am letting it stand |
| 19:44.54 | Petaris | Thanks for the help jelly |
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| 19:45.23 | sephii | I'm having a strange issue with XkbOptions here : http://dpaste.com/542155/ |
| 19:45.41 | mateusz | nvz, lol.. this seems not to be a problem of device but rather emotional :P |
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| 19:46.07 | sephii | The first part shows the output of xev when I press Super_L + c, and the second part shows the same hit but with the xorg conf added |
| 19:46.40 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:46.41 | nvz | mateusz: idk I don't deny there are some issues with the way people like myself work mentally.. but thats what makes me able to do the kinds of technical shit I do.. and I need to get "in the zone" to do it.. shit that distracts me from that is counter-productive |
| 19:46.47 | sephii | (the problem here is with the XkbOptions, if I remove it, everything goes back as normal. Also I tried with things like shifts_toggle, the problem is the same) |
| 19:48.03 | mateusz | nvz, I am working in medical field, we are actually testing drugs prescribed to people getting annoyed by signal events ;] |
| 19:48.13 | nvz | mateusz: I've explored the options modern medicine has to address these issues, and found that it makes unable to function at the level I normally do.. my strong attention to detail and hyperawareness, ADDHD type issues are what make me exceptional at technilogical stuff |
| 19:48.28 | mateusz | nvz, ok execerating, not only sound events... |
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| 19:49.08 | mateusz | nvz, oh, ok... I see... thaks for suggestion, I will try stable |
| 19:49.24 | nvz | mateusz: if you have your /home on a seperate partition it would be easy to reinstall |
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| 19:50.41 | nvz | mateusz: seriously though a chroot is easy to setup, most anyone can help you with that if you need help.. and its the best way to have those newer libraries to build against without sacrificing stability of your system running sid on a daily basis |
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| 19:51.52 | jonp | hm, no good; (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) |
| 19:52.03 | mateusz | nvz, if things break even more, or I will find time to install stable, I will do so |
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| 19:52.14 | mateusz | nvz, thanks:) have a nice eve |
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| 19:52.57 | jonp | argh! it's worse! nv does 800x600! |
| 19:53.16 | jonp | do i need to explicitly tell X what my monitor is? |
| 19:54.12 | ryushe_ | hola, just upgraded a test server from Lenny to squeeze, now grub (nor the chainloader to grub2) won't boot the system. When trying to boot get a message stating /dev/sda1 can't be found. Got the system 'up' via live CD and chroot now, suggestions? |
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| 19:55.06 | ryushe_ | logs don't show a thing, as the machine won't even get that far when booting. Was something changed with regards to RAID devices or /dev/ in general? |
| 19:55.56 | jonp | it's so nice to know that when linux moved to auto-everything, linux removed all the formerly GUI tools to configure X. :-/ |
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| 19:56.26 | jonp | once upon a time i could tell it, via some "GUI-like" tool, what my monitor was. now? not so much |
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| 19:59.21 | nvz | jonp: perhaps install the nvidia drivers and the problem may resolve itself? |
| 19:59.43 | nvz | jonp: if you have a monitor that wasnt made like 20 years ago, chances are X is well aware of its capability |
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| 20:00.22 | nvz | only exception would be you've got a damaged cable that is missing pins or something and its not getting the edid info.. seen that happen before |
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| 20:01.13 | nvz | many older vga cables are designed with several pins missing and makes them useless in modern settings |
| 20:01.28 | tuvwx | nvz: ifconfig: http://paste.debian.net/116891/ - dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/116892/ |
| 20:01.53 | jimcooncat | I'm curious. Been playing with aptosid, and the folks there suggest to drop to init 3 when upgrading. Is this good practice for any debian-derived distro? |
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| 20:02.18 | Bushmills | jimcooncat: debian doesn't make any difference between run levels 2..5 |
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| 20:02.42 | Bushmills | if aptosid folks tell you something different, that's aptosid specific. better ask them |
| 20:02.52 | sephii | Well aptosid uses Debian repos |
| 20:03.11 | sephii | So it's 99% the same software, except for kernel specific patches and some other apps patches |
| 20:03.23 | nvz | tuvwx: strange.. the driver is seeing your hw address as all 0s |
| 20:03.37 | jimcooncat | Thanks Bushmills. Likely it is something specific to their setup. |
| 20:03.40 | thewanderer1 | the Debian configuration scripts are written so that you can run the graphical desktop and upgrade at the same time... if upgrading the desktop, though, some things do appear to break, so it might be wise to log off |
| 20:03.51 | jonp | er, what? I have a "Monitor" xorg section now with "HorizSync 30-70" |
| 20:04.02 | jonp | yet the Xorg log file says: (II) NV(0): <default monitor>: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz |
| 20:04.08 | jonp | no wonder it can't find anything |
| 20:04.27 | tuvwx | nvz: yup |
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| 20:05.07 | nvz | tuvwx: can you dig around and see if you have an archived /var/log/dmesg.2.gz or something that shows it as being different when it was working? |
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| 20:05.27 | nvz | tuvwx: just to find out if that has changed or if it was always that way.. |
| 20:05.52 | jonp | oh, because it's not being used; "With RandR 1.2-enabled drivers, monitor sections may be tied to specific outputs of the video card" |
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| 20:06.25 | nvz | tuvwx: my current thought is something bios related may have changed, but the rtc line in dmesg shows it setting the correct date, so there is nothing to suggest to me as of now that the battery died |
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| 20:08.00 | nvz | tuvwx: two other questions, do you know what the HW addr of the card actually is, and what the pan0 shown in ifconfig is there for? |
| 20:08.30 | nvz | tuvwx: another random curiousity is what happens when you dhclient pan0 |
| 20:09.02 | tuvwx | nvz: http://paste.debian.net/116893/ - it seems it has always been zeros, but there were other lines. now there's only one line |
| 20:09.06 | nvz | tuvwx: or did you add a wifi to the machine for internet connectivity to sole the issue? |
| 20:09.20 | tuvwx | nvz: i think pan0 has to do with bluetooth |
| 20:09.41 | tuvwx | nvz: and yes, i have the actual hw address |
| 20:10.18 | ryushe_ | if after upgrading a machine from lenny to squeeze, the machine will no longer mount (or find) filesystem (/dev/sda1), where should I look for clues? |
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| 20:10.42 | tuvwx | nvz: May 13 15:20:41 rome bluetoothd[1579]: bridge pan0 created |
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| 20:11.24 | Bushmills | ryushe_: in your /etc/fstab. try to mount manually |
| 20:11.38 | nvz | tuvwx: ah.. I seen the bluetooth ethernet emulation but no mention of pan0 in the log |
| 20:11.57 | Bushmills | ryushe_: disktype tool can be useful |
| 20:12.29 | keith105 | could somebody help me translate a natd (under OSX) network command to something I can use with iptables in debian? It uses natd and ipfw, and i believe i need to use a masquerade command, but stuck here |
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| 20:12.53 | jonp | what's the difference between nv and nouveau |
| 20:12.54 | jonp | ? |
| 20:13.13 | ryushe_ | Bushmills : disktype faults with error: can't open /dev/sda: no such device or address |
| 20:13.19 | jonp | and, incredibly, providing a custom Screen, Monitor, and Device section gives me a decent resolution |
| 20:13.24 | Bushmills | ryushe_: fdisk -l |
| 20:13.44 | jonp | i just had to copy over & adjust my xorg.conf from openSUSE 11.1... :-/ |
| 20:14.15 | nvz | tuvwx: well I guess we need to move on cause it seems this is no hardware or kernel related at all.. hmm.. can you ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 20:14.25 | ryushe_ | Bushmills : I'm on the actual system right now, but via a live cd and chroot. fdisk fails with cannot read /proc/partitions |
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| 20:15.03 | Bushmills | ryushe_: mount --bind your host /dev, /proc and possibly /sys into your chroot |
| 20:15.58 | ryushe_ | Bushmills : simply mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/hda/dev/ ? |
| 20:16.10 | Bushmills | looks good |
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| 20:18.14 | ryushe_ | Bushmills : fdisk now gives correct drives. however, I had a software raid setup, hda1 and hdb1 combined to form sda1. Could it be that somehow the upgrade destroyed the raid setup? |
| 20:18.36 | Bushmills | I can't tell |
| 20:19.10 | ryushe_ | :( |
| 20:19.23 | ryushe_ | well, least I can tell all the data is still on the two disks |
| 20:19.31 | ryushe_ | so might have to just reinstall then |
| 20:19.31 | frostschutz | do partitioning and raid from outside the chroot |
| 20:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | ryushe_: This seems to be happing a bit on upgrades to squeeze, but it could be the controllers just being so unreliable. |
| 20:19.52 | ryushe_ | frostschutz : all I have outside the chroot is busybox |
| 20:20.15 | tuvwx | nvz: that was from the syslog (the bloutooth line) |
| 20:20.52 | frostschutz | ryushe_: busybox has raidautorun, otherwise if its a initramfs for root on raid it should also have mdadm |
| 20:21.12 | frostschutz | ryushe_: and then you can just switch_root instead of chroot |
| 20:21.13 | tuvwx | nvz: i found out the machine had another ethernet interface that is still working, so i'm using that now |
| 20:21.51 | tuvwx | nvz: the only thing i can think off is hardware failure of the first ethernet port |
| 20:21.54 | tuvwx | *of |
| 20:21.59 | ryushe_ | how about that. 'help' in busybox mentions no such thing! |
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| 20:23.50 | ryushe_ | frostschutz : raidautorun not found |
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| 20:23.57 | ryushe_ | mdadm was found though |
| 20:24.15 | nvz | tuvwx: nothing in what you posted suggested to me that it had two interfaces.. strange |
| 20:24.56 | ryushe_ | it's been a while since I last did software raids, bit rusty. This machine has been running as-is (with updates) for the last 4 years .... |
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| 20:26.30 | keith105 | sorry got disco, did anyone answer? |
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| 20:29.23 | tuvwx | nvz: the second interface was disabled in the bios |
| 20:30.11 | nvz | keith105: got disco fever? heh. nobody said anything to you that I see |
| 20:30.46 | nvz | jonp: ouaeu |
| 20:30.57 | nvz | erm ouaeu |
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| 20:31.04 | nvz | blah.. oh well |
| 20:32.17 | nvz | stops procrastinating and goes to hack this lil script |
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| 20:33.59 | ryushe_ | If I get 'No md superblock detected on /dev/disk/by-uuid/blablabla' does that mean it never was part of an array or that it can't find that info now? |
| 20:34.48 | nvz | ryushe_: could mean either.. but mostly it means what it says |
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| 20:35.07 | ryushe_ | bah |
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| 20:37.18 | ryushe_ | is /dev/i20/diskname the new standard or should I keep using /dev/diskname? |
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| 20:38.22 | nvz | http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/faq.php |
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| 20:38.47 | ryushe_ | nvz : please give me the short of it, 640x480 text only terminal here |
| 20:38.50 | ryushe_ | ? |
| 20:39.00 | nvz | ryushe_: are you using scsi disks? |
| 20:39.04 | ryushe_ | yes |
| 20:39.27 | ryushe_ | which are showing up as /dev/i20/hda and /dev/i20/hdb at the moment |
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| 20:40.44 | Bushmills | 640x480 chars are a lot of screen real estate |
| 20:41.31 | nvz | ryushe_: first of all its not i20 its i2o, secondly its up to you really.. i2o is like a higher level abstraction interface that operates at a low-level hardware layer just the same as traditional methods.. its purpose is to make it easy to write interfaces that work with all i2o compliant devices without them needing knowledge of the underlying subsystem |
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| 20:41.48 | wieshka | i am trying already for 4 hours to get my mystical SAS controller to work, all detailed information i posted here: http://pastebin.com/dKprATBZ maybe somebody has already expreience with: Promise Technology, Inc. Device 1001 |
| 20:42.22 | wieshka | so at this moments - looking for any ideas - maybe i have missed something ... |
| 20:42.39 | nvz | I wouldnt use anything that was called or described as mystical for any serious purpose.. heh |
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| 20:42.59 | ryushe_ | nvz : so in other words, shouldn't make a lot of difference if an fstab pointed to /dev/i2o/hda1 or /dev/hda1? |
| 20:43.15 | nvz | ryushe_: or it would make absolutely no difference at all |
| 20:43.23 | nvz | would be more accurate |
| 20:43.27 | ryushe_ | gotcha |
| 20:43.53 | wieshka | nvz this time case is that tonight my servers motherboard burned down, so i grabbed MB from office stock, to restore ASAP basic functionality of server, while ordering new one MB |
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| 20:45.09 | nvz | wieshka: wow that is a shitty situation... I doubt there is little I can do to help ya there though.. and it looks like you're already screwed and possibly were long before this problem arose.. anything that can happen will happen |
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| 20:45.33 | ryushe_ | well, I'm out of ideas. My fstab wants a /dev/sda1 to mount / on, and it seems like I no longer have /dev/sda after the upgrade. If anyone has any bright ideas, I'd be more than appreciative |
| 20:45.42 | raccoon_ | hey all. is there a way to see the currently loaded kernel's boot parameters (if any)? like a log file or so |
| 20:46.01 | nvz | ryushe_: what upgrade? |
| 20:46.19 | ryushe_ | I was thinking of putting /dev/hda1 in it's place, but that's already been claimed by the cdrom in fstab |
| 20:46.25 | ryushe_ | nvz : lenny to squeeze |
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| 20:46.34 | jonp | raccoon_: look at /proc/cmdline |
| 20:46.43 | nvz | raccoon_: its at the top of /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/Xorg.0.log among others.. |
| 20:46.44 | ryushe_ | lenny stable to squeeze stable that is |
| 20:46.55 | msarro | hey everyone... is this a good place for debian on PPC? or is there a better channel for that? |
| 20:47.03 | ansgar | ryushe_: The upgrade should have suggested switching to UUIDs in fstab. Do that. |
| 20:47.22 | nvz | ansgar: that is where I was going next, but obviously he said no to that.. heh |
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| 20:48.02 | msarro | i ask because i'm currently installing on a powerbook g4 :) |
| 20:48.35 | ryushe_ | ansgar : I either missed that or never saw that, and I did pay attention. How would I find the UUID of the software raid disk? not showing in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ? |
| 20:48.38 | Seth_Hikaru | How can I set it up so I always have shell access in Debian Squeeze no matter what state it's in? (Running gnome) |
| 20:49.05 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: aptitude install ssh |
| 20:49.10 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay. |
| 20:49.12 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks. |
| 20:49.19 | Bushmills | unless in an unresponsive state |
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| 20:49.33 | Seth_Hikaru | Well assuming a responsive or possible state. |
| 20:49.52 | raccoon_ | jonp, nvz: cheers. /proc/cmdline was spot on |
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| 20:50.08 | ansgar | ryushe_: Hmm, maybe try dpkg-reconfigure linux-base? |
| 20:50.23 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 20:50.24 | ryushe_ | doing so now |
| 20:50.33 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: you could also consider to run a getty on a serial interface |
| 20:50.39 | wols_ | !ppc |
| 20:50.39 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:50.51 | ryushe_ | heh, package linux-base is not installed it claims |
| 20:51.16 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: I do have a null modem cable and the computer does have a serial port, so would getty do that? |
| 20:51.20 | ryushe_ | installing that now |
| 20:51.42 | Seth_Hikaru | Also how would I do that. |
| 20:51.50 | Bushmills | yes. terminal emulator on one machine, nullmodem kabel between serial ports, and your second machine has a shell login |
| 20:51.52 | msarro | @seth_hikaru: yes it'll do that |
| 20:51.53 | ryushe_ | whaddaya know, there's the question you guys mentioned |
| 20:52.25 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: in /etc/inittab should be an example of how to launch a getty on serial port |
| 20:52.25 | puff | Hm, I need lame from http://lame.sourceforge.net/ but it doesn't appear to be in the debian repos. There are some prebuilt debian packages at http://www.rarewares.org/debian-info-misc.php but it looks like they're for Sid, and I need Squeeze. |
| 20:52.39 | puff | I guess I'm going to download the source and build it myself, but I'd still like to install it/manage it via the package management system. |
| 20:52.51 | ansgar | ryushe_: Which kernel package do you have installed? |
| 20:53.30 | ryushe_ | 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 20:53.37 | puff | Isn't there some sort of tool to package the compiled-from-source? |
| 20:53.39 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: Do I install getty on there and just use putty to get access? |
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| 20:54.06 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: just a terminal emulator. |
| 20:54.24 | Bushmills | something like minicom on linux, or teraterm on windows |
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| 20:55.12 | ansgar | ryushe_: Then why is linux-base not installed? linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 in squeeze depends on linux-base. |
| 20:55.29 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: Doesn't putty do that? |
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| 20:55.49 | Bushmills | i thought putty does only telnet and ssh |
| 20:55.57 | Seth_Hikaru | it has serial |
| 20:56.01 | Seth_Hikaru | that work? |
| 20:56.04 | Bushmills | ah, ok. should be fine then |
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| 20:56.11 | ryushe_ | ansgar : good question |
| 20:56.50 | nvz | man 1 montage is about as useful as tits on a snake |
| 20:56.58 | ryushe_ | ansgar : I wish I knew, I have no idea why it wasn't there. I would have expected it too |
| 20:57.22 | nvz | at least it has a link to better documentation |
| 20:58.27 | ryushe_ | ansgar : in any case, looking at the udev rules file, it only found the cd-rom drive |
| 20:58.48 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: Is getty already on the system? |
| 20:59.15 | Seth_Hikaru | nvz: Tits on a snake would be cool though. |
| 20:59.19 | Bushmills | yes. though there's a choice of different gettys, and only some support serial logons |
| 20:59.29 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay. |
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| 20:59.51 | ryushe_ | anyways, should I update fstab by hand then? Still would need the UUID for sda which I can't seem to find |
| 20:59.54 | tsccof | how may I check whether all of my packages are missing files? |
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| 21:00.54 | ansgar | ryushe_: Updating by hand should work as well. You can use blkid to get the uuid once you found the block device (it should be in /proc/aprtitions I guess). |
| 21:01.05 | ansgar | /proc/partitions even. |
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| 21:01.43 | ryushe_ | the /proc/partitions lists hda and hdb only, with their various partitions |
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| 21:02.22 | ryushe_ | and getting the IDs for the separate drives is not an issue, they're both listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 21:05.59 | ryushe_ | anyways, changed a few things, time to test. back in a bit, hopefully |
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| 21:09.09 | ZykoticK9 | I'm failing to get X working with an old Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440 AGP [10de:0181], Noveau fails (NOUVEAU Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0) so I'm trying to get the proprietary nvidia96 drivers to work. Pastebins: /var/log/dmesg http://pastebin.com/B0ZgMyxr and /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/pZiNqQk5 if I boot the system, for a brief second I see the round "working" mouse pointer, then drops to a blinking cursor at th |
| 21:09.09 | ZykoticK9 | is point I can switch to a VT (if I attempt to restart GDM3 entire system hangs) any suggestions? |
| 21:09.10 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: I'm too stupid to figure out how to use getty just reading the file, can you help? |
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| 21:09.38 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: From the way it looks, it's already set up. |
| 21:10.07 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: you have mgetty installed? |
| 21:10.14 | Seth_Hikaru | shrugs |
| 21:10.18 | Seth_Hikaru | Checking... |
| 21:10.51 | Seth_Hikaru | Now I do. |
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| 21:11.09 | rafanovas | I was used to use a sound control menu a sort like the windows one, where I can activate the microphone playback and some other things, but now I turned on my computer and I can't find this menu anymore, now I have that menu like openSUSE or Ubuntu |
| 21:11.10 | Bushmills | do grep ttyS /etc/inittab - watch upper and lowercase |
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| 21:11.38 | Bushmills | if the lines shown start with #, remove the # for the serial interface you want to listen mgetty to |
| 21:12.05 | Seth_Hikaru | So once I do that it's active? |
| 21:12.09 | Bushmills | after that, you run init q |
| 21:12.45 | rafanovas | I'm getting some problems with the sound too, when I play browser sounds I can't play the media player |
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| 21:13.52 | Seth_Hikaru | I did that. |
| 21:13.53 | Seth_Hikaru | Now what? |
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| 21:14.13 | Bushmills | nullmodem cable, and terminal emulator on other machine |
| 21:14.25 | Seth_Hikaru | And it runs every time on boot correct? |
| 21:14.29 | Bushmills | right |
| 21:14.37 | Seth_Hikaru | Let me connect and check. |
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| 21:15.11 | ryushe_ | well, didn't work :( |
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| 21:17.02 | Seth_Hikaru_ | Accidentaly pulled my cord. |
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| 21:17.52 | Bushmills | actually, mgetty not even needed. the getty from util-linux supports serial ports too |
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| 21:18.03 | Seth_Hikaru_ | Oh weel. |
| 21:18.11 | Seth_Hikaru_ | I'll pull it in a sec. |
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| 21:18.39 | Seth_Hikaru_ | I just lost connection to my ssh session on my computer, I was compiling, what happens to it? Does it go on or stop? |
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| 21:22.02 | _linuxftw | If I send a process to the background using ^Z, bg, and then disown %1, will the process continue to be attached to my terminal (i.e. if I disconnect, will it keep running?) |
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| 21:24.04 | jimcooncat | _linuxftw: not an answer, really, but I'd use screen |
| 21:24.10 | tensorpudding | _linuxftw: disowning it means that it is no longer attached to your terminal |
| 21:24.36 | _linuxftw | tensorpudding, so to be sure, it will continue when I disconnect? |
| 21:24.40 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 21:24.45 | _linuxftw | ok, thanks for the help |
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| 21:25.15 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: Do you know how to use teraterm? |
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| 21:25.47 | Bushmills | 10 years ago i used it sometimes. is a bit like telix |
| 21:26.20 | Bushmills | since then i think i haven't seen another windows box |
| 21:26.32 | Seth_Hikaru | It's yelling at me to enter a positive integer |
| 21:26.37 | Seth_Hikaru | What do? |
| 21:26.45 | Bushmills | enter a positive integer |
| 21:26.51 | Seth_Hikaru | Where? |
| 21:27.01 | Bushmills | where it asks you for one |
| 21:27.10 | Seth_Hikaru | It doesn't. |
| 21:27.23 | Seth_Hikaru | hmm |
| 21:27.27 | Seth_Hikaru | must have been broke. |
| 21:27.33 | Bushmills | not sure what it wants. number of serial port? |
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| 21:28.41 | Seth_Hikaru | SWEET |
| 21:28.53 | Seth_Hikaru | First null modem session EVAR |
| 21:28.58 | Bushmills | well, windows has hyperterm, which at that time was extremely suckish |
| 21:29.20 | Seth_Hikaru | Yeah. |
| 21:30.53 | foetus | ^^ |
| 21:30.58 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: When's the last time you used windows? |
| 21:31.08 | Bushmills | around the year 2000 |
| 21:31.13 | Seth_Hikaru | ... |
| 21:31.26 | Seth_Hikaru | You couldn't fix a windows box if you tried could you? |
| 21:31.28 | Bushmills | for work. needed a serial terminal :) |
| 21:31.47 | _linuxftw | The solution to all windows problems is to reinstall |
| 21:31.49 | anima- | Seth_Hikaru, anyone with google and half a brain can fix a windows box |
| 21:31.50 | Bushmills | i prefer to answer that with "no" |
| 21:32.10 | Seth_Hikaru | That's actually hilarious. |
| 21:32.21 | Bushmills | otherwise everybody wants their windows boxes fixed |
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| 21:32.35 | _linuxftw | The thing is, it's impossible to debug any of the error messages |
| 21:32.37 | Seth_Hikaru | Everyone needs there linux boxes fixed too. |
| 21:32.46 | _linuxftw | Impossible to read the memory dumps, etc |
| 21:32.46 | Seth_Hikaru | _linuxftw: Not really. |
| 21:32.57 | Seth_Hikaru | Some things do have an exact fix. |
| 21:33.04 | _linuxftw | It's closed source, you have no debugging symbols |
| 21:33.20 | Seth_Hikaru | There was debugging symbols for windows. |
| 21:33.30 | Seth_Hikaru | Not sure if they apply there though. |
| 21:34.11 | anima- | _linuxftw, it depends if you are debugging ring3 userspace apps or ring0 kernel code |
| 21:34.55 | anima- | debugging usermode code under windows is pretty simple if you are coding in any decent language ( C, ASM ) |
| 21:35.08 | _linuxftw | Can we at least agree it's harder than the average open source distro? |
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| 21:35.50 | anima- | _linuxftw, in some cases it is. one of the biggest problems for debugging kernel code under windows is the lack of a decent ring0 debugger |
| 21:35.58 | tsccof | how may I check whether all of my packages are missing files? |
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| 21:42.09 | Bushmills | tsccof: take one package, make sure all file are there. if there are, you know that not all your packages are missing files |
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| 21:43.59 | tsccof | Bushmills: seriously :P |
| 21:44.58 | Bushmills | seriously |
| 21:45.14 | anima- | hmm lets see if i can get a stripped down version of ddwrt to build XS |
| 21:45.18 | anima- | XD * |
| 21:46.12 | Bushmills | for file in $(dpkg -L package); do [[ -f $file ]] || echo boo; done .. st like that maybe |
| 21:46.34 | Bushmills | hm no. dpkg -L also lists directories |
| 21:47.06 | Seth_Hikaru | Anyone seen a batch to bash converter? |
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| 21:47.32 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm feeling particularly lazy about converting it. |
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| 21:47.52 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: calling external program - as it's frequently done from scripts - would pose a huge problem |
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| 21:48.06 | microcluster | hallo |
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| 21:49.12 | microcluster | i need add module hfsplus to modprobe.d |
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| 21:51.07 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: So I have to convert it by hand then? |
| 21:51.27 | Bushmills | no. you can hire somebody to convert them for you |
| 21:51.35 | Seth_Hikaru | No. |
| 21:51.38 | Seth_Hikaru | It's really tiny. |
| 21:52.00 | Seth_Hikaru | Just a compiling and packaging script. |
| 21:52.01 | Bushmills | it's an alternative, so you don't "have to" |
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| 21:52.16 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm not rich. |
| 21:52.20 | Seth_Hikaru | Unless you want to do it? |
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| 21:52.26 | Bushmills | you can think up reasons to convert them yourself, sure. but you don't "have to" |
| 21:52.29 | Seth_Hikaru | Then again I could use the experience. |
| 21:52.44 | _linuxftw | Maybe there's a reverse cygwin you can use for your batch scripts |
| 21:52.57 | Seth_Hikaru | Is that even possible? |
| 21:53.09 | Seth_Hikaru | Would it be called wincyg? |
| 21:53.19 | _linuxftw | I vote for wincywin |
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| 21:53.35 | Seth_Hikaru | How about wine? |
| 21:53.39 | Seth_Hikaru | That might work. |
| 21:53.44 | _linuxftw | You mad. |
| 21:53.58 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm actually suprised bro. |
| 21:55.31 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm not easy to troll. |
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| 22:03.23 | cvenomz | I am trying to configure debian as a router. eth0=192.168.1.227 eth1=192.168.2.1 192.168.1.210 can ping 192.168.2.100, yet 192.168.2.100 cannot ping anything except itself and the router |
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| 22:13.39 | cvenomz | If I am trying to configure debian to work as a router between 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24, what am I most likely configuring incorrectly if a 192.168.1.0/24 machine can ping a 192.168.2.0/24 machine, while the inverse is not true? |
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| 22:23.03 | Bushmills | cvenomz: firewall(s) |
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| 22:31.52 | jhutchins_lt | cvenomz: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 22:36.59 | karsten | OK, looking at a new dual-instal. Plan on keeping Win7 around for shins and grits on a new Thinkpad T520i. Does the netinst installer offer partitioning tools or do I need to invoke heavy iron (Knoppix)? |
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| 22:40.49 | puff | Hm, I'm trying to build and checkinstall lame from sourceforge. Build went okay, checkinstall failed. |
| 22:41.38 | cvenomz | @karsten: It has an option to configure the partitioning before installing. |
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| 22:43.05 | ZykoticK9 | puff, i'm no help with your issue, but FYI lame 3.98.4 is available from d-m |
| 22:43.11 | puff | d-m? |
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| 22:43.25 | ZykoticK9 | puff, debian-multimedia |
| 22:43.29 | puff | Ah..... okay. |
| 22:43.51 | puff | If I'd realized, I'd have skipped all this :-). |
| 22:46.34 | ath__ | is there any known problems with the fail2ban package in squeeze? It doesn't work, tried on lenny without probems. Tried 3 different squeeze installations 2 of them fresh. |
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| 22:47.12 | Agiofws | http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_years/2011_1/linux-world-map-large.png |
| 22:47.18 | puff | ZykoticK9: Hm, don't see a US mirror, any suggestions? |
| 22:47.30 | Agiofws | debian is under rated in the map i think |
| 22:48.04 | ZykoticK9 | puff, i believe the main mirror in in the US (not sure), there are a list of mirrors on the d-m page, are you sure you don't see any US ones? |
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| 22:49.10 | puff | ZykoticK9: Not unless you count canada :-). |
| 22:49.21 | puff | I'll just use a canadian mirror. |
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| 22:51.34 | cvenomz | Is Masquerading the only way 192.168.2.0 machines behind the router can get their requests out into the 192.168.1.0 network? |
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| 22:55.38 | luichi | love debian |
| 22:58.35 | Bushmills | cvenomz: nope. |
| 23:01.31 | cvenomz | Does such a method have a particular name so I can search it? |
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| 23:02.58 | Bushmills | yes. routing |
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| 23:03.24 | Bushmills | set a route one way, set a back route the other way. i.e. do what a router can do best: routing |
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| 23:04.10 | cvenomz | thank you, I will research this |
| 23:05.03 | Bartzy | Hi, |
| 23:05.13 | Bartzy | While trying to execute gmic, I get this error: libdc1394 error: Failed to initialize libdc1394 |
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| 23:05.31 | Bartzy | Anyone got this error from libdc1394 and know what it means ? :| I suspect some package is missing. |
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| 23:09.22 | cvenomz | @Bartzy: have you tried 'apt-get install libdc1394-22' |
| 23:09.31 | Bartzy | cvenomz: Yes. |
| 23:10.08 | cvenomz | what about the dev package? libdc1394-dev |
| 23:10.17 | cvenomz | err |
| 23:10.27 | cvenomz | libdc1394-22-dev |
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| 23:17.21 | Nu^253r | is away: Natural Born Lagger |
| 23:18.12 | Bartzy | cvenomz: Still not working :( |
| 23:19.20 | cvenomz | Sorry man, Im unfamiliar with gmic and libdc1394, so I am out of ideas |
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| 23:25.43 | ath__ | anyone here using fail2ban on squeeze? |
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| 23:27.37 | elefant | can I have my vps as a webserver and google apps as an email server on the same domain? |
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| 23:31.35 | cvenomz | @elefant: I dont know how google apps works, but I would think so |
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| 23:33.42 | Seth_Hikaru | What command line text editor has it's commands at the bottom of the screen? |
| 23:33.58 | petemc | nano |
| 23:33.58 | format_c | the one with two letters |
| 23:33.59 | cvenomz | @seth_hikaru: nano |
| 23:34.04 | Seth_Hikaru | Thank you. |
| 23:34.07 | Seth_Hikaru | I spaced the name. |
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| 23:39.20 | elefant | why does debian use dash instead of bash? what is the difference between them? |
| 23:40.13 | format_c | It supposed to be faster in processing init stripts. |
| 23:40.28 | Seth_Hikaru | Is there a library for iconv? |
| 23:40.43 | Seth_Hikaru | Need it for blender. |
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| 23:45.54 | xrfang_ | I am installing debian live-cd in virtualbox, after install, I use tasksel to install graphics desktop component, then restarted. Now I still get dropped into command line, and if I use startx, it show me a blank x window. what else shall I install? thanks |
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