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| 00:29.53 | nmcbride | Can anyone give me a hand, I can't get debian to detect the teensy board at all. |
| 00:30.00 | nmcbride | I don't even see it in the logs. |
| 00:30.19 | blast_hardcheese | "teensy board" |
| 00:30.26 | nmcbride | correct |
| 00:30.39 | blast_hardcheese | k. |
| 00:30.41 | zinx | does it need external power? |
| 00:30.55 | nmcbride | no it's powered by usb |
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| 00:31.18 | zinx | do you have a firmware on it that supports USB? :/ |
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| 00:31.46 | nmcbride | on debian? |
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| 00:31.51 | zinx | on the board. |
| 00:31.57 | wisconsin | on the internet |
| 00:32.08 | wisconsin | with a computer |
| 00:32.12 | nmcbride | I would hope so since it is a usb micro controller |
| 00:32.25 | zinx | and lsusb doesn't show it? |
| 00:32.33 | nmcbride | correct |
| 00:32.46 | nmcbride | I bout one pinned and one not pinned and tried them both thinking one was bad |
| 00:32.49 | nmcbride | and neither show |
| 00:32.59 | zinx | then, 1) the board is broken, 2) your usb controller/port/internal cable is broken, or 3) your usb cable is broken/not plugged in right |
| 00:33.23 | nmcbride | tried multiple boards, tried multiple cables |
| 00:33.29 | zinx | because even without support for the device, debian will list USB devices both in dmesg and lsusb |
| 00:33.42 | zinx | nmcbride: then it's your usb controller/internal cable. sorry. |
| 00:33.56 | hansu | anyone know libusb for debian ? |
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| 00:33.59 | zinx | (assuming you haven't turned off the ehci/[ou]hci modules) |
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| 00:34.18 | nmcbride | all other usb devices i've plugged in have worked |
| 00:34.28 | zinx | nmcbride: to that port? |
| 00:34.39 | nmcbride | well i've tried 3 ports now |
| 00:34.54 | zinx | nmcbride: then it's the boards/cables :/ |
| 00:35.09 | zinx | nmcbride: or your computer isn't supplying the power needed |
| 00:35.16 | zinx | nmcbride: is it a laptop or a desktop? |
| 00:35.20 | nmcbride | well it can't be the cables because i use them with other devices |
| 00:35.25 | nmcbride | the boards show up on windows |
| 00:35.31 | zinx | nmcbride: o_O |
| 00:35.43 | nmcbride | and the board is powered and blinking as the default program in it makes it do |
| 00:35.55 | nmcbride | i normally don't come and ask questions but this had me stumped |
| 00:36.05 | zinx | nmcbride: are you using the button? |
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| 00:36.47 | zinx | nmcbride: the site says you have to reboot it w/ a button or somesuch |
| 00:37.00 | nmcbride | yes and no |
| 00:37.08 | nmcbride | you burn a program into it to run |
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| 00:37.14 | nmcbride | when you plug it in that program gets run |
| 00:37.30 | nmcbride | if you hit the button it runs the halfkay program so you can burn to it |
| 00:37.35 | nmcbride | either way it should detect it |
| 00:38.07 | zinx | nmcbride: uhm, sorry. the embedded work i've done requires your program to initialize the usb controller, and handle any events and such from it |
| 00:38.24 | zinx | nmcbride: i'm having a hard time imagining a device setup that does not have this requirement |
| 00:38.49 | zinx | nmcbride: can you try running the halfkay program? |
| 00:39.40 | zinx | nmcbride: if you don't talk to the usb controller / usb host the right way, the device may not be detected properly |
| 00:40.19 | nmcbride | i've done that |
| 00:40.30 | nmcbride | i just tried it on my archlinux box upstairs and that detected it |
| 00:40.35 | zinx | nmcbride: you've tried running the halfkay program? |
| 00:40.40 | nmcbride | yes |
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| 00:41.00 | zinx | nmcbride: i don't know. there's nothing in debian that will break it, afaik, especially if other devices are working |
| 00:41.09 | zinx | nmcbride: i have to assume it's a hardware issue |
| 00:41.27 | nmcbride | on arch it said a new uhci device was detected |
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| 00:41.47 | nmcbride | should i seed something if I do 'lsmod | grep uhci' ? |
| 00:42.22 | zinx | nmcbride: it may need to be ohci |
| 00:42.31 | zinx | nmcbride: there are two different drivers for USB 1.x devices |
| 00:42.42 | zinx | nmcbride: which one is used depends on which controller your motherboard has |
| 00:43.00 | zinx | nmcbride: also, ehci is the USB 2.x driver |
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| 00:43.47 | nmcbride | my router detects it too lol |
| 00:44.08 | nmcbride | the only ohci i have is firewire_ohci |
| 00:44.14 | nmcbride | but i also have |
| 00:44.19 | nmcbride | ehci_hcd |
| 00:44.22 | nmcbride | and usbcore |
| 00:45.01 | zinx | nmcbride: do you have uhci loaded? |
| 00:45.08 | nmcbride | if ehci is the 2.2 driver and arch used uhci am I missing some ohci module or something? |
| 00:45.11 | zinx | nmcbride: debian automatically loads the correct driver |
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| 00:45.26 | nmcbride | module uhci not found |
| 00:45.31 | zinx | nmcbride: don't load it. |
| 00:45.46 | nmcbride | nor is there an ohci module |
| 00:45.47 | zinx | nmcbride: lsmod | grep hcd |
| 00:46.00 | zinx | nmcbride: again, don't load either of them. i want to know what's currently loaded |
| 00:46.09 | nmcbride | ehci_hcd 38487 0 |
| 00:46.09 | nmcbride | usbcore 136791 3 rtl8187,ehci_hcd |
| 00:46.26 | zinx | nmcbride: ok, you don't have any USB 1.x drivers loaded for some reason |
| 00:46.37 | zinx | nmcbride: try loading uhci_hcd and/or ohci_hcd |
| 00:46.50 | zinx | nmcbride: that's very strange, though. have you done anything weird to your setup? |
| 00:46.56 | nmcbride | no |
| 00:47.02 | nmcbride | it is aptosid though |
| 00:47.04 | nmcbride | maybe they have? |
| 00:47.13 | zinx | aptosid? wtf? that doesn't sound like debian |
| 00:47.22 | nmcbride | it is :D |
| 00:47.25 | nmcbride | debian sid |
| 00:47.26 | zinx | it isn't |
| 00:47.39 | zinx | please don't join #debian asking help for "based on debian" distributions :/ |
| 00:47.50 | zinx | issues like this are very common (issues that don't happen on Debian) |
| 00:47.54 | nmcbride | lol it pulls it packages strait from debian sids repo |
| 00:50.17 | resixian | c libclamav5 ... |
| 00:50.24 | resixian | err... |
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| 00:51.31 | resixian | upgrading from lenny, dpkg -l shows 'rc libclamav5' i am new to debian upgrade and not sure if i should forcible remove this package before procedding? |
| 00:52.08 | resixian | i'm trying to follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#backup |
| 00:52.27 | wisconsin | why "icedove"? |
| 00:52.32 | resixian | aptitiude search "~ahold" shows nothing |
| 00:53.16 | nmcbride | uhci loaded but still isn't detecting it |
| 00:54.13 | babilen | resixian: 'rc' just means that you removed that package ... You might want to purge it to get rid of the configuration files. |
| 00:54.31 | babilen | resixian: "aptitude search ~c" should find all these packages. |
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| 00:55.37 | resixian | babilen: thanks, is here a way to show what configs are still about? |
| 00:56.10 | nmcbride | however it is detected in arch |
| 00:57.00 | resixian | babilen: dpkg -L says: Package `libclamav5' does not contain any files (!) |
| 00:57.00 | babilen | resixian: "dpkg -L libclamav5" maybe? Otherwise check on p.d.o |
| 00:57.54 | resixian | p.d.o. ? |
| 00:58.10 | babilen | resixian: Although I doubt that a library ships many configuration files. p.d.o == packages.debian.org |
| 00:58.35 | resixian | i suppose i could instead check libclamav6 |
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| 00:59.36 | babilen | resixian: Just purge libclamav5 -- It just ships the libraries and documentation |
| 00:59.58 | resixian | so will this always show up in `dpkg -l` ? |
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| 01:00.07 | resixian | like forever and ever? |
| 01:00.45 | babilen | no |
| 01:01.31 | resixian | ah, sorry. so i should purge it then - that would be normal practice? |
| 01:02.26 | babilen | As normal as a lot of other things you can do with your computer too. |
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| 01:03.24 | babilen | I would take a look at the output of "aptitude search ~c" and purge applicable packages. |
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| 01:06.29 | resixian | ak, just shows libclamav5. |
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| 01:13.20 | slipperz | hi |
| 01:13.28 | karlpinc | (For that matter "aptitude purge '~c'" purges them.) |
| 01:13.35 | slipperz | my ndiswrapper binary works, but it isn't loaded as a kernel module.. :S |
| 01:13.43 | slipperz | any idea what could be preventing that? |
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| 01:19.43 | jase1 | hi, i'm getting a "Error: Can't have overlapping partitions." and i was hoping someone here might of a fix besides making a new partition table. here is some fdisk output: http://pastebin.com/YfckB4gz |
| 01:19.56 | resixian | karlpinc: thx |
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| 01:21.51 | resixian | now i'm gtting this: http://pastie.org/1824256 |
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| 01:22.26 | resixian | from upgrading, '4.4.1 Recording the session' |
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| 01:22.55 | lemonchickenftl | https://gist.github.com/938098 are those 404's halting the process or did it complete? |
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| 01:23.17 | lemonchickenftl | i dont think i've configured mirrors for the package manager so where is the file for that? |
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| 01:23.59 | jase1 | lemonchickenftl, continued except for volatile. if you don't have anything you care about coming from volatile, then it's fine |
| 01:24.31 | jase1 | if you do care, then you gotta find where volatile moved. i forget the specifics myself. |
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| 01:25.02 | resixian | i just read there is no volatile for squeeze yet |
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| 01:30.54 | Nomad | hello there |
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| 01:33.32 | Nomad | So here's my question: I recently switched from Ubuntu to Debian. Does Debian tend to have less updates?? I haven't had one update since I installed. I installed April 9, 2011. |
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| 01:37.48 | Bushmills | stable receives no updates except security updates |
| 01:38.22 | Bushmills | and those you get only with a security repository line in sources |
| 01:38.28 | Nomad | I see thanks, I was getting paranoid, ha! |
| 01:38.51 | eAndrius | Nomad: in debian nothing brakes, so updates are unnecessary, HA! ;D |
| 01:39.04 | Bushmills | wouldn't be much stabler if it was updated all the time |
| 01:39.06 | Nomad | LOL that's funny!!! |
| 01:39.11 | Bushmills | stable |
| 01:39.48 | Nomad | Cool I'm glad I switched. |
| 01:40.05 | eAndrius | I never ever had any problems running unstable debian, but I almost always had problems with ubuntu's stable : ( |
| 01:41.51 | Bushmills | eAndrius: i hope your brakes never break |
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| 01:42.26 | eAndrius | so do I |
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| 01:45.42 | karlpinc | !tell Nomad about overview |
| 01:45.50 | karlpinc | Nomad: FYI, since you're new. |
| 01:45.54 | Nomad | ok overview? |
| 01:46.10 | karlpinc | Nomad: The bot should have sent you a private message. |
| 01:46.34 | Nomad | got it thanks! |
| 01:48.55 | karlpinc | babilen: Still working at figuring out this insserv stuff. |
| 01:49.15 | Nomad | thanks everyone i appreciate that, just started working on my Linux + any info helps me learn Linux :) |
| 01:49.36 | babilen | heh, you've read the thread, discussed on #d-d with steve, read multiple manpages and still? |
| 01:49.44 | karlpinc | Nomad: Be sure to read the footnotes then. |
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| 01:49.57 | Nomad | alright I will |
| 01:50.24 | karlpinc | Nomad: The good thing about Linux/Un*x is that it does not change much. A sysadmin from 1974 would be able to work today. |
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| 01:50.49 | karlpinc | Nomad: So the stuff that you learn, at least as far as the command line and config files go, will remain relevant and you won't have wasted your time. |
| 01:50.54 | Nomad | really, that's what I'm going for System Admin |
| 01:51.06 | karlpinc | Nomad: GUIs are something else. Nobody knows how to do a good one so they keep changing. |
| 01:51.22 | karlpinc | Nomad: Be sure to leave comments in the config files that say _why_ you did what you did. |
| 01:52.09 | karlpinc | Nomad: Learn vi or emacs. Read "man less" and "man man" so you know how to read man pages and "info info" so you know how to read info pages and you'll have what you need to get started. |
| 01:52.57 | karlpinc | Nomad: (I prefer emacs. Start it, read the screen, and spend at least a few minutes in the tuitorial it tells you how to start.) |
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| 01:53.54 | Nomad | Plan on coming here and learning anything I can, you people are a wealth of info, eventually I want to give back to Linux once I know what the hell I'm doing ;) |
| 01:54.13 | karlpinc | Nomad: Know how to program? |
| 01:54.16 | babilen | Nomad: FWIW - I prefer vim ... run "vimtutor" and watch these screencasts: http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/vim-novice-tutorial-videos/ |
| 01:54.26 | Nomad | even python? |
| 01:54.53 | Nomad | something more complex? C++ |
| 01:55.03 | karlpinc | Nomad: I was going to refer you to the wizard book. You can use it and run guile and work through it. |
| 01:55.05 | babilen | Python is quite complex |
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| 01:55.40 | karlpinc | Nomad: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ |
| 01:56.07 | Nomad | ok thank you! |
| 01:56.44 | babilen | sicp is a marvellous book |
| 01:57.06 | karlpinc | Nomad: See also: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/faq/guile-faq.html#How-do-I-make-foo_002escm-into-an-executable-script_003f |
| 01:57.10 | babilen | But I wouldn't necessarily recommend it if you want to be a sysad ... |
| 01:57.23 | karlpinc | I agree. It's for programming. |
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| 01:57.45 | karlpinc | babilen: But it's hard to be a sysadm without being able to program. Reading "man bash" is a hard way to start. |
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| 01:58.58 | karlpinc | Nomad: You must also learn to count in base 2, base 8, and base 16. Starting in base 5 can make this easier, then 8, then 16, then 2. |
| 01:59.19 | karlpinc | Nomad: If you want to be able to understand networks. |
| 01:59.25 | babilen | Sure, but I would argue that learning *sh (bash, zsh, dash, ..) + perl/python is a better start than SICP (which is a *great* book mind you) ... Things like: http://www.dabeaz.com/generators-uk/ are incredibly helpful. |
| 01:59.27 | karlpinc | is offtopic |
| 01:59.34 | slipperz | is it possible for me to get module assistant working under debian squeeze? |
| 01:59.39 | babilen | yeah, we are quite off topic |
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| 01:59.56 | babilen | slipperz: I would hope so. What are you trying to do? |
| 02:00.10 | slipperz | trying to get ndiswrapper installed in vyatta |
| 02:00.13 | slipperz | having a hard time |
| 02:00.34 | babilen | could you be more specific? |
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| 02:01.16 | slipperz | http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 02:01.19 | slipperz | under module installation |
| 02:01.35 | slipperz | the method for debian squeeze isn't working since apparently vyatta's headers are kept somewhere else |
| 02:01.54 | slipperz | but i heard that module assistant handles all of that for you |
| 02:02.45 | babilen | This is a strange VM from a webhoster isn't it? |
| 02:03.14 | babilen | Or what kind of hardware does "vyatta" refer to? |
| 02:03.20 | nevyn | base 5? |
| 02:03.35 | karlpinc | babilen: I would say that the right way to control daemon runlevels is to use insserv. Either insswerv -r to prevent the daemon from running or the [[/]path/to/init.d/]script[,start=<lvl1,lvl2,...>] syntax for more control. (Assuming readme.debian does not say something else.) Next up: cook up a factoid for this. |
| 02:03.49 | slipperz | vyatta is a routing distro i believe |
| 02:03.52 | slipperz | based on debian |
| 02:04.02 | nevyn | oh. |
| 02:04.07 | nevyn | yeah that sounds right. |
| 02:04.14 | karlpinc | nevyn: We should take this to #debian-offtopic. I'll see you there. Never mind. |
| 02:04.18 | nevyn | it's one of these "we're going to comodify cisco's space." |
| 02:04.30 | slipperz | heh im familiar with cisco equipment |
| 02:04.33 | babilen | slipperz: So, what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 02:04.41 | slipperz | not so familiar with *nix and vyatta |
| 02:04.42 | slipperz | well errr |
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| 02:05.01 | slipperz | im trying to get this ndiswrapper thing working...and vayatta is debian based |
| 02:05.04 | slipperz | so i figured id ask here lol |
| 02:05.08 | nevyn | oh that's bad news. |
| 02:05.24 | nevyn | vyatta is going to not like an ndis based nic. |
| 02:06.03 | matt767676 | I have two large folders(5.8GB and 3.5GB; both containing subfolders and files) in one Debian server and I would like to copy both those folders to my other Debian machine. Which protocol to use? SSH(scp), FTP or something else? |
| 02:06.25 | babilen | !tell slipperz -about based on debian |
| 02:06.48 | slipperz | heh |
| 02:06.48 | slipperz | soz |
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| 02:07.47 | carandraug | Hi! I tried to change a line on fstab so a specific partition of a external HD is not mounted automatically. I used 'none' as mount point and added the option 'noauto'. However, when I plug it in, I get an error saying that there's no mount point 'none' |
| 02:08.18 | resixian | errrors durign upgrade: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376674/ |
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| 02:10.07 | resixian | carandraug: i don't think you can specify 'none' except for swap partitions (?) |
| 02:10.35 | seven| | Hello, how do I get the java plugin in chrome? |
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| 02:11.41 | babilen | seven|: Install openjdk-6-jre and icedtea6-plugin |
| 02:11.48 | babilen | !tell seven| -about java |
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| 02:12.25 | karlpinc | matt767676: scp is easiest. |
| 02:12.41 | carandraug | resixian, hmm... ok then. How can I have a partition to not be mounted? Just the noauto option does't work, it still tries to automatically mount it |
| 02:13.42 | karlpinc | matt767676: Or tar -czf - foofolder barfolder | ssh remotehost 'tar -C bazroot -xzpf -' |
| 02:13.44 | resixian | from a gnome/kde environment it is the respective DE's automounter (gfvs for gnome and kio for kde) that are automagically moutning it |
| 02:13.50 | seven| | Thanks |
| 02:13.55 | matt767676 | karlpinc: I think I'll go with rsync as I have thousands of files in those directories and as far as i know, scp would create a separate process for each file. |
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| 02:14.28 | resixian | carandraug: but i'm of no further help there since i only use debian as a headless server |
| 02:14.43 | karlpinc | matt767676: That'll work. |
| 02:14.52 | carandraug | resixian, ok. Thanks anyway |
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| 02:15.18 | matt767676 | karlpinc: you mean what? scp for thousands of files or rsync? |
| 02:15.19 | coolguy4 | hi, I downloaded a source tar.gz that contains a directory called debian, itself containing some files and directories postinst prerm postrm and rules. Is there something I do with this to build a debian package? |
| 02:15.28 | seven| | Thanks babilen |
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| 02:15.41 | karlpinc | matt767676: The nice thing about rsync is that you can interupt and start over and it does not really matter. |
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| 02:15.47 | karlpinc | matt767676: rsync works. |
| 02:15.51 | babilen | seven|: You are welcome -- Not sure if this integrates cleanly with chrome (it does with chromium) |
| 02:16.06 | babilen | it should though |
| 02:17.30 | karlpinc | coolguy4: man dpkg. Use -b |
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| 02:20.15 | DammitJim | man, I can't mount this usb hard drive |
| 02:20.31 | DammitJim | dmesg is not giving me the device |
| 02:20.33 | DammitJim | :( |
| 02:20.45 | coolguy4 | karlpinc, thanks |
| 02:22.14 | babilen | !tell coolguy4 about package recompile |
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| 02:23.06 | coolguy4 | dpkg fails because the control script has the line "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, laptop-mode-tools" and it says "invalid package name `${shlibs:Depends}': must start with an alphanumeric" |
| 02:23.06 | dpkg | coolguy4: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 02:23.15 | JohanSJA | is there a way to get the list of all installed packages in a system? |
| 02:25.31 | ZykoticK9_ | JohanSJA, i think "dpkg -l" shows this |
| 02:26.34 | coolguy4 | aptitude search . | grep '^i' |
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| 02:27.15 | wcheng | how to open .dwg ? |
| 02:27.16 | babilen | JohanSJA: What do you want to use that list for? |
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| 02:27.37 | babilen | coolguy4: That would be "aptitude search ~i" |
| 02:27.42 | resixian | maybe i found my upgrade issue? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376678/ |
| 02:27.47 | resixian | shoudl i just install kbd? |
| 02:29.13 | babilen | pokes JohanSJA |
| 02:29.15 | karlpinc | JohanSJA: aptitude search '~i' ;# to be paranoid about ~ expansion. |
| 02:29.32 | resixian | oh, maybe its supposed to be console-tools ? looks like acpi and others depend on this |
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| 02:30.48 | wcheng | hello , how to open .dwg ? i can't find a pp |
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| 02:32.06 | babilen | wcheng: (1 second google) http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/ or install autocad on windows |
| 02:32.18 | resixian | anyone? is this a safe course of action? |
| 02:32.21 | babilen | JohanSJA: Still there? |
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| 02:35.35 | babilen | JohanSJA: If you are not dead (yet): You might be interested in "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" and dpkg --get-selections ... If you are dead: Don't worry! You are dead :) |
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| 02:36.40 | moele | what is a decent fps for glxgears to show? |
| 02:37.49 | babilen | moele: The same as your monitor refresh rate |
| 02:37.51 | JohanSJA | babilen: |
| 02:37.56 | JohanSJA | :) thanks... |
| 02:38.45 | babilen | JohanSJA: That goes along with "dpkg -l" and "aptitude search '~i'" -- Can't recommend a method as I have no idea what you need that list for. |
| 02:38.58 | resixian | ah well, i went ahead with reinstalling console-tools, then dpkg-reconfigure <all the errors> |
| 02:39.08 | karlpinc | wants the list for a T shirt. |
| 02:41.21 | JohanSJA | babilen: I am thinking of using it to compare the packages installed by default in Linux Mint Debian Edition and Linux Mint Main Edition (Ubuntu) |
| 02:42.43 | moele | babilen, so then 560fps in 5 seconds is good? |
| 02:42.44 | babilen | JohanSJA: So you are not using Debian? |
| 02:43.29 | JohanSJA | I am using LMDE currently :) |
| 02:44.49 | babilen | JohanSJA: *sigh* -- I hate it when that happens. Please ask in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for help |
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| 02:45.22 | DammitJim | how can I figure out the filesystem type of a drive that I haven't mounted? |
| 02:45.24 | JohanSJA | I just thought that it is applicable |
| 02:45.41 | JohanSJA | since this is not LMDE specific |
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| 02:46.14 | babilen | JohanSJA: Still, you are wasting my time and I have absolutely no idea what is applicable in lmde or not. |
| 02:47.20 | JohanSJA | babilen: I am sorry for that if I make you feel so |
| 02:47.48 | JohanSJA | just to let you know that the help you provided just not isn't a waste of time |
| 02:47.53 | JohanSJA | it actually helps me |
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| 02:48.56 | kristianpaul | if i have 3 nics and i wanted to set that like a LAN zone, do i need bridge each port ? |
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| 02:49.04 | babilen | Sure, but one of the (many) benefits of running Debian is the fact that you get support in here. We won't and *can't* support all the distributions that are based on Debian. Please keep that in mind the next time you seek support. |
| 02:49.39 | karlpinc | DammitJim: file -s /dev/foo |
| 02:49.50 | karlpinc | loves the magic of file |
| 02:49.53 | DammitJim | ty |
| 02:50.20 | kristianpaul | hmm, may be debian reference make some comment about use debian as a network swich.. |
| 02:50.26 | DammitJim | dammit... it says empty! |
| 02:50.31 | moele | is World of Warcraft and other windows games, only playable through an environment such as Wine? |
| 02:50.32 | coolguy4 | ok I broke dpkg, how do i fix a corrupt package? |
| 02:50.46 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: Do you really want a bridge? Do you know the difference between a bridge and a router? |
| 02:50.49 | JohanSJA | I am actually thinking of running the real Debian however afraid of the great learning curve after using Ubuntu & Linux Mint for a long time |
| 02:50.58 | babilen | moele: Not if they have a native linux version, but mostly: Yes! |
| 02:50.59 | JohanSJA | so thinking of using LMDE as a transition |
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| 02:51.48 | kristianpaul | karlpinc: i want a router, i was asking if the bridge may help caise i dont know well how it works, i guess now it join two interfaces in one? |
| 02:52.01 | babilen | JohanSJA: You don't need a transition. Just install it and use it. We are here to help (*if you use Debian*) -- It's not hard |
| 02:52.03 | kristianpaul | well i want a router, but also the other 3 nics behave as a swich.. |
| 02:52.04 | sailerboy | hey, anyone know of aria2web? |
| 02:52.17 | babilen | sailerboy: I do now. |
| 02:52.25 | karlpinc | JohanSJA: Just run Debian. I don't know those distros but I suspect the real difference is what repos are enabled by default. See the <overview> factoid. |
| 02:52.29 | karlpinc | !tell JohanSJA about overview |
| 02:52.39 | sailerboy | anyone know of why i can't seem to log onto it? |
| 02:53.26 | JohanSJA | karlpinc: how hard it would be compare to Ubuntu? |
| 02:53.29 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: One way to think of a bridge is that it a box that extends the length of an ethernet wire. |
| 02:53.47 | benzaldehyde | coolguy4: try the -P --force-depends thing |
| 02:54.16 | karlpinc | JohanSJA: I don't know Ubuntu. But see my previous comment. Did you get the private message from the bot? |
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| 02:54.38 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: Linux routers work fine. |
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| 02:55.05 | babilen | JohanSJA: Debian is *not* hard. You certainly have to learn a couple of things, but you get wonderful support in here and on the mailing lists. |
| 02:55.09 | DammitJim | how am I supposed to mount this usb drive? http://pastebin.com/Yk9ztbsz |
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| 02:55.45 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: Just turn ip forwarding on in /etc/sysctl.conf. See "man sysctl" and "man sysctl.conf". |
| 02:55.51 | babilen | night |
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| 02:56.11 | JohanSJA | karlpinc: :) ya, I got that |
| 02:58.41 | kristianpaul | karlpinc: i already did that and more http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 03:00.50 | coolguy4 | when I try to remove the package it says it is a bad inconsistent state and says I shuold reinstall it |
| 03:01.21 | coolguy4 | benzaldehyde, your suggestion didn't help |
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| 03:03.07 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: And you have separate networks on each nic? |
| 03:03.22 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: And your netmasks are right? |
| 03:04.07 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: Perhaps you should tell us what you think a "LAN zone" is. AFAIK that's not RFC terminology. |
| 03:04.37 | karlpinc | coolguy4: The debian reference has a section on what to do if you break apt. I think. |
| 03:05.20 | benzaldehyde | coolguy4: oh that i didn't realize sorry |
| 03:07.21 | coolguy4 | ok, I edited the prerm scriipt, there was a line that was failing |
| 03:07.28 | kristianpaul | karlpinc: sorry i'm not awarre of RFC terminology... but |
| 03:07.37 | kristianpaul | karlpinc: i have a soekris net 5501 |
| 03:08.01 | kristianpaul | the plan is do wan, and lan zones also wpa2 wifi AP bridged to LAN |
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| 03:08.06 | kristianpaul | plus a blog server.. |
| 03:08.18 | kristianpaul | 4 nics, used as follow: |
| 03:08.23 | kristianpaul | nic 0 wan |
| 03:08.29 | kristianpaul | nic 1-3 lan |
| 03:08.58 | kristianpaul | lan i mean those port should be avaliable for computers want to plug it and get local networking and internet |
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| 03:13.49 | DammitJim | how do I format a hard drive connected via usb? |
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| 03:15.48 | centHOGG | any tips on CLI lm-sensors config, I have it working but can it be more selective? |
| 03:16.07 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: I like the soekris boxes. Seems to me you want to route between 0 and the rest and bridge 1-3. |
| 03:18.37 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: I'd start with 0 and 1 and then bridge 2 and 3 to 1. But I don't do a whole lot of bridgeing. |
| 03:19.28 | kristianpaul | make sense |
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| 03:19.57 | kristianpaul | i was thinking creat a virtual intefrface from eth0 and bridge 3-1 to that |
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| 03:21.22 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: You're going to need to route to the wan. How would that work then? |
| 03:21.36 | kristianpaul | yeah,i alreayd started with the basic router connetivy between 0 and 1 |
| 03:21.59 | kristianpaul | route is made by iptable script added to network ifup |
| 03:22.14 | DammitJim | could it be that I formated a drive, but the partition table got lost? |
| 03:22.42 | kristianpaul | all is posible in this world DammitJim ;) |
| 03:23.04 | DammitJim | lol @ kristianpaul |
| 03:23.15 | DammitJim | how do I know if the partition table is messed up? |
| 03:23.21 | DammitJim | I know I have a device on /dev/sdd |
| 03:23.28 | DammitJim | but I can't mount it |
| 03:23.28 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: You don't need an ifup script. Routing should be automatic (if you know the default gateway ahead of time anyway.) |
| 03:23.30 | centHOGG | gparted? |
| 03:23.58 | DammitJim | centHOGG, gparted doesn't see it |
| 03:24.07 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Then it's gone. |
| 03:24.11 | ion_ | how to I know whether the entire vim is installed in my pc ? |
| 03:24.11 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 03:24.18 | kristianpaul | karlpinc: or really? just enabling ipforward on sysctl.conf? |
| 03:24.23 | kristianpaul | ahead of time.. |
| 03:24.26 | DammitJim | if I do a mkfs -T xfs /dev/sdd |
| 03:24.30 | centHOGG | when did it work right last? |
| 03:24.39 | DammitJim | that'll format the device, correct? |
| 03:24.43 | kristianpaul | well nic 0 is wan and is set to get ip from dhcp.. |
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| 03:24.49 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: If you enable forwarding routing happens. You need a default gateway set somewhere, somehow, to get to the larger world. |
| 03:24.57 | DammitJim | centHOGG, last week when someone guided me here on how to format it and partition it |
| 03:24.58 | ZykoticK9_ | DammitJim, are you sure you want the device and not a partition? rather a strange request. |
| 03:25.00 | karlpinc | kristianpaul: So it should get a gateway from dhcp. |
| 03:25.29 | DammitJim | not sure I understand, ZykoticK9_ |
| 03:25.34 | karlpinc | DammitJim: That puts a fs directly on the device, with no partition table. Which is fine if you don't want to partition the device. |
| 03:25.48 | centHOGG | yes |
| 03:26.04 | centHOGG | gparted not seeing it is a prob |
| 03:26.04 | DammitJim | oh |
| 03:26.23 | centHOGG | does your CMOS see the drive, your bios |
| 03:26.40 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You just mount the whole device at a mountpoint then. |
| 03:26.55 | DammitJim | karlpinc, if that was the case, (putting the fs directly on the device), I should be able to mount it directly, right? mount /dev/sdd /media/device |
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| 03:27.14 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Yes. And file -s should tell you the fs type. |
| 03:27.23 | kristianpaul | okay i'm heading to bed, tommroow will be other day, read you soon |
| 03:27.27 | DammitJim | the problem is that file -s is not saying anything |
| 03:27.28 | karlpinc | DammitJim: file -s /dev/sdd |
| 03:27.35 | DammitJim | /dev/sdd: empty |
| 03:27.52 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Does dmesg say that it's seen a device there? |
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| 03:28.07 | DammitJim | yeah |
| 03:28.13 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You're running file as root, right? |
| 03:28.25 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.31 | DammitJim | yes, sir |
| 03:29.18 | DammitJim | it's weird |
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| 03:30.02 | karlpinc | DammitJim: yes |
| 03:30.16 | DammitJim | yes, it's weird? LOL |
| 03:30.20 | karlpinc | DammitJim: That's the bottom of your dmesg? |
| 03:30.30 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Yes. It's weird. |
| 03:31.15 | DammitJim | what could I do? |
| 03:31.19 | DammitJim | I don't care about what it has in it |
| 03:31.59 | karlpinc | DammitJim: It worked before? |
| 03:32.11 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Feels hardware-y. |
| 03:32.12 | DammitJim | oh yeah |
| 03:32.22 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Try another usb port? |
| 03:32.26 | DammitJim | but I disconnected it the other day |
| 03:32.30 | DammitJim | and re-connected it today |
| 03:32.36 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Power cycle it. |
| 03:32.43 | DammitJim | maybe I didn't let it spin down last time? |
| 03:32.54 | DammitJim | I tried a different port and power cycled it |
| 03:32.58 | DammitJim | I even rebooted the server :( |
| 03:33.27 | karlpinc | DammitJim: file says it's empty? |
| 03:33.42 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Is it new? |
| 03:33.48 | DammitJim | ah man, mkfs -T /dev/sdd said: Device size reported to be zero |
| 03:33.59 | DammitJim | no, I re-formatted it last week |
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| 03:35.01 | DammitJim | fdisk /dev/sdd says: Unable to read /dev/sdd |
| 03:35.09 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Sounds broken. If it was new I'd feel better. New stuff breaks fast. But everything breaks eventually. |
| 03:35.15 | karlpinc | DammitJim: No errors in dmesg? |
| 03:35.44 | DammitJim | no :( |
| 03:36.00 | centHOGG | did you try it on another box? |
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| 03:36.14 | DammitJim | I'm about to do that |
| 03:36.19 | centHOGG | hw |
| 03:36.22 | DammitJim | but I connected another hard drive and it worked just fine |
| 03:36.30 | centHOGG | hw big time |
| 03:36.36 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Take it out of the enclosure. Put a partition table on it by plugging it in and see if it works that way. Then put it back in the enclosure. There may be bugs in the firmware (!?) that don't like having no partiton table. |
| 03:36.45 | centHOGG | no no |
| 03:36.53 | centHOGG | my 2c |
| 03:36.57 | karlpinc | centHOGG: ? |
| 03:37.02 | karlpinc | centHOGG: Can't hurt. |
| 03:37.09 | centHOGG | what's the drive |
| 03:37.24 | centHOGG | homemade or other |
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| 03:37.29 | centHOGG | brand name |
| 03:37.30 | DammitJim | it's a bare drive |
| 03:37.39 | centHOGG | usb? |
| 03:37.47 | centHOGG | right |
| 03:37.48 | karlpinc | DammitJim: It's a usb drive. There's a regular drive inside the case. |
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| 03:38.09 | centHOGG | sometimes if they are proprietary they do it differently |
| 03:38.20 | centHOGG | but homemade you are ok |
| 03:38.41 | karlpinc | centHOGG: He'll be able to tell if he cracks the case. |
| 03:38.57 | DammitJim | no, the drive came out of a buffalo network station |
| 03:38.58 | centHOGG | i've had a few of these usb drives flop on me |
| 03:39.06 | DammitJim | and I have a usb to sata adapter |
| 03:39.07 | centHOGG | i only like the small portable ones |
| 03:39.50 | karlpinc | centHOGG: I think the trick is to get ones with their own power. Drawing power from the usb wire is what seems to cause problems. Any thoughts? |
| 03:40.03 | centHOGG | the usb cables and chips are really cheap sometimes |
| 03:40.09 | DammitJim | this one is powered externally |
| 03:40.19 | centHOGG | yeah the external ones flopped |
| 03:40.38 | DammitJim | so, I'm dead? |
| 03:40.39 | centHOGG | <wdd passport |
| 03:40.41 | karlpinc | DammitJim: So take out the drive and see if it works. Put it back to "normal" with a partition table and put it back and see if that helps. |
| 03:40.45 | centHOGG | yes |
| 03:40.54 | DammitJim | karlpinc, put it where? |
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| 03:41.24 | benzaldehyde | http://postimage.org/image/60sz825g/ debian 6.0.1 on my ps3 :D |
| 03:41.27 | centHOGG | DammitJim: what are all the partition tools you know so far? |
| 03:41.30 | karlpinc | DammitJim: It's a sata drive? Pug it into a sata wire inside your regular computer. |
| 03:42.48 | centHOGG | i think NAS is the way to go nowadays |
| 03:43.03 | centHOGG | USB drives conk out |
| 03:44.05 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You know how to install drives into your computer, right? |
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| 03:45.52 | karlpinc | centHOGG: Depends. I have sitting next to me $400 of small computer and big usb hard drive that are both silent because they have no fans. It's backing up a computer 1,000 miles away and can plug in anywhere, world wide, and do so. Nice to put in a corner somwhere. |
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| 03:46.09 | centHOGG | a big case, lots of drives, nic & lvm |
| 03:46.28 | karlpinc | centHOGG: I've one of those too. But have to keep it in the basement. |
| 03:46.43 | centHOGG | kewl |
| 03:46.57 | centHOGG | i redid my NAS just lately |
| 03:46.59 | DammitJim | karlpinc, yeah, but it's a pain to take this asus apart |
| 03:47.11 | DammitJim | and it only has 1 port |
| 03:47.15 | DammitJim | I would have to boot from usb |
| 03:47.35 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You asked what to do next. That's what I'd do. Or just throw it away. |
| 03:47.36 | DammitJim | I just put it in a buffalo enclosure (NAS) and the freakin' thing started beeping errors |
| 03:47.37 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 03:47.50 | DammitJim | karlpinc, I will try, I appreciate the help |
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| 03:48.08 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Drive could be dead. |
| 03:48.15 | DammitJim | it sounds like it is |
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| 03:48.32 | DammitJim | and honestly, I must be doing something wrong 'cause I killed another one about 3 months ago |
| 03:48.43 | DammitJim | but I've only messed them up when using command line utilities |
| 03:48.45 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Power conditioning. |
| 03:48.50 | DammitJim | with gparted, I've never messed them up |
| 03:48.54 | DammitJim | what is power conditioning? |
| 03:49.20 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You can't break a drive by repartitioning it. (Unless it's a cf card or something like that.) |
| 03:49.32 | centHOGG | concur |
| 03:49.44 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You make sure the AC power is clean by running it through a ups or something else of good quality. |
| 03:50.05 | DammitJim | oh |
| 03:50.36 | Rusty1 | it doesnt spin up when plugged into a known powered usb port? |
| 03:50.53 | centHOGG | the cheap USB drives & enclosures fail |
| 03:50.54 | Rusty1 | is late to the thread |
| 03:50.55 | DammitJim | it spins up when I turn power on |
| 03:51.05 | DammitJim | that's ok, Rusty1 |
| 03:51.20 | centHOGG | could be the usb chip in the enclosure |
| 03:51.36 | Rusty1 | does it show up when lsub is issued? |
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| 03:52.20 | Rusty1 | lsusb |
| 03:53.45 | DammitJim | yes |
| 03:53.56 | DammitJim | I put another hdd and it worked |
| 03:53.58 | DammitJim | dammkit |
| 03:54.23 | centHOGG | so that rules out the enclosure chip |
| 03:54.50 | Rusty1 | and fdisk -l ? |
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| 03:56.10 | DammitJim | fdisk -l doesn't show it |
| 03:56.13 | DammitJim | it's a samsung, btw |
| 03:56.19 | DammitJim | HD103UJ |
| 03:56.25 | DammitJim | 1TB |
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| 03:57.00 | Rusty1 | filesystem that *supposed* to be on it? |
| 03:57.29 | DammitJim | ext3 |
| 03:57.56 | centHOGG | DammitJim: this drive, plugged in SATA, does it show up? |
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| 03:58.17 | DammitJim | centHOGG, I know I'm going to have to do that |
| 03:58.27 | centHOGG | yes |
| 03:58.38 | DammitJim | but at this point, that's almost impossible, so I guess I'll have to try it tomorrow |
| 03:58.53 | DammitJim | I would make too much noise because the only PC with a SATA interface is in a closet |
| 03:58.59 | DammitJim | and I would have to move a lot of things to get to it |
| 03:59.00 | DammitJim | lol |
| 03:59.03 | centHOGG | ok, make sure to go to samsung and ddl the diagnostics for the drive |
| 03:59.26 | centHOGG | it's what i'd do |
| 03:59.36 | centHOGG | then you would know for sure if it has gone bad |
| 03:59.40 | DammitJim | diagnostics? like some you can boot from? |
| 03:59.44 | centHOGG | yes |
| 03:59.53 | DammitJim | I'll get that now, then |
| 04:00.02 | centHOGG | usually something you can burn to a cd or put on a floppy |
| 04:00.04 | DammitJim | man, on this laptop, it did give me 1 more message: |
| 04:00.11 | DammitJim | usb 5-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
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| 04:00.25 | centHOGG | idk |
| 04:00.45 | Rusty1 | laptop got a cd-rom? |
| 04:00.45 | centHOGG | if the enclosure worked with another drive ok, it would seem to be ok |
| 04:00.58 | DammitJim | yeah |
| 04:01.39 | Rusty1 | try a live cd, knoppix or whatever and see if it sees it w/fdisk |
| 04:01.46 | centHOGG | yes |
| 04:02.05 | DammitJim | yeah, I'll just have to take the server down |
| 04:02.09 | DammitJim | and put the drive in |
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| 04:02.25 | centHOGG | good luck :) |
| 04:02.36 | billfinch | Hello everyone. |
| 04:02.39 | billfinch | I really need some help. |
| 04:02.49 | billfinch | Completely new to Linux and I feel like I'm having a panic attack. |
| 04:02.51 | billfinch | lol |
| 04:03.17 | DammitJim | that's amazing... I got a 2.2 MB iso :) |
| 04:03.19 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 04:03.34 | billfinch | Could someone please private message me to walk me through something? |
| 04:03.41 | billfinch | It's probably the most simple of questions,. |
| 04:03.50 | billfinch | But I don't know the right questions to ask to find the answers personally. |
| 04:03.54 | centHOGG | take care |
| 04:04.28 | karlpinc | billfinch: Ask the channel. Someone might know. |
| 04:04.42 | billfinch | How do I do that? |
| 04:05.18 | karlpinc | billfinch: You type your question in here. So long as you're running debian someone will likely try to help. Otherwise we'll try to redirect you to the right place. |
| 04:05.35 | billfinch | Ohhh |
| 04:05.37 | billfinch | lol |
| 04:05.39 | billfinch | okay |
| 04:05.40 | billfinch | Well |
| 04:05.48 | billfinch | I had Ubuntu installed on my computer. |
| 04:05.50 | billfinch | 10.10 |
| 04:06.01 | billfinch | My computer wouldn't run it. I need a lightweight os |
| 04:06.01 | karlpinc | !tell billfinch about enter |
| 04:06.05 | billfinch | STOP |
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| 04:06.26 | karlpinc | billfinch: ? Just telling you the etiqutte here. |
| 04:07.00 | billfinch | I'm sorry. You were just trying tell me the etiquette and I should be more understanding. |
| 04:07.18 | billfinch | Regardless, I'm trying to scrub my HD and get LXDE |
| 04:07.18 | epsilon | just write your problem in one line |
| 04:07.24 | karlpinc | billfinch: We are also short and thereby rude. It's the medium. Typing is slow. |
| 04:08.21 | epsilon | f you write only one word / line, the chat window is scrolling too fast and I have trouble reading the whole context |
| 04:08.46 | billfinch | Okay. I'm downloading debian-live-6.0.1-i386-lxde-desktop.iso. When I get this .iso and put it in my CD tray, will or can it overwrite Ubuntu 10.10? |
| 04:09.06 | karlpinc | billfinch: By default it'll overwrite all of your drives. |
| 04:09.25 | karlpinc | billfinch: You can tell it to do otherwise. |
| 04:09.35 | epsilon | it won't overwrite anything, it's just live linux and it won't touch your HD (maybe auto-mount in some kind, but nothing deleted etc) |
| 04:09.36 | billfinch | Fantastic. Will I have to go through the installed OS to get into the installation of LXDE? |
| 04:09.51 | karlpinc | Whoops. epsilon is right. I didn't see the debian-live part. |
| 04:10.10 | billfinch | What should I get? |
| 04:10.37 | epsilon | live linux is just for testing / debugging / rescue purpose (and in rare case for secure working) |
| 04:10.38 | karlpinc | billfinch: You download the debian netinstall image and install the minimal stuff. Then once installed you boot and install X and lxde. |
| 04:10.46 | karlpinc | !netinstall |
| 04:10.46 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 04:11.24 | epsilon | billfinch: you just want simple debian installation on your HD, wiping out everything on the disk? |
| 04:11.34 | karlpinc | billfinch: But feel free to boot the live cd and see how you like it, although it'll be a lot slower than something on your hard drive. |
| 04:11.37 | billfinch | Yes. |
| 04:11.56 | epsilon | billfinch: how fast is your internet connection? |
| 04:11.58 | billfinch | To Epsilon, I want a simple, light Debian install that will wipe everything out. |
| 04:12.00 | billfinch | FAST |
| 04:12.04 | billfinch | lol |
| 04:12.13 | epsilon | ok, just grab the netinstall image, matching your CPU |
| 04:12.51 | billfinch | How can I find out the CPU if I can't get into the computer itself? |
| 04:12.55 | epsilon | which CPU do you have? (intel/amd/32/64bit...) |
| 04:13.02 | billfinch | intel 3 |
| 04:13.09 | billfinch | pentium 3 |
| 04:13.26 | karlpinc | billfinch: Light is relative. Real lightweight stuff does not have a GUI interface. Lxde is nice and light. I'm wondering what browser you should use. (meamo??) |
| 04:13.28 | epsilon | classic, grab the i386 image then |
| 04:13.49 | karlpinc | billfinch: Should run fine for basic web browsing, etc. |
| 04:14.09 | billfinch | I'm really terrible at everything relating to computers, but I'd really like to learn. Is Linux really THAT hard? |
| 04:14.33 | Bus3rr0r | no, it's not |
| 04:15.01 | karlpinc | billfinch: I'm too jaded to say. What's nice about Linux/unix is the command line does not change, and you can leave yourself notes in config files. So what you learn stays relavent. |
| 04:15.20 | karlpinc | billfinch: GUIs change and you need to re-learn, because nobody knows how to do a good GUI yet. |
| 04:15.24 | epsilon | but P3 is kinda little outdated, make sure you turn off gimmicks on your KDE/gnome. And at least 256MB RAM if you want to use X smoothly |
| 04:16.08 | billfinch | Well, I won't have these specs for long. |
| 04:16.18 | billfinch | I'm kinda building it from what I consider to be near scratch. |
| 04:16.20 | karlpinc | epsilon: He's talking about using lxde, which has no bling. |
| 04:16.46 | mnszmul | you are better off learning basic OS stuff on an older machine anyhow |
| 04:16.55 | epsilon | well, using netinstall, default X desktop will be gnome using tasksel, just warning |
| 04:17.09 | billfinch | I have no idea what any of that means. |
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| 04:17.35 | billfinch | But, I'm really going to try and learn. Any essential Linux "must-read" on the internet? |
| 04:17.53 | epsilon | just install, play with linux, feel free to break it as long as you learn of it, then reinstall again |
| 04:18.04 | billfinch | :D |
| 04:18.12 | epsilon | thats how everyone's starting with linux |
| 04:18.23 | billfinch | You guys are so much more helpful than the other Debian chan. <333 |
| 04:18.36 | karlpinc | billfinch: If you install only the base system then you'll have to do "su" to become root after logging in. Then "aptitude install xorg lxde synaptic" to install the graphical interface and the window manager and the graphical package installer. You may want to write this down. I think you have to go into expert mode in the installer to install specific things during the install and you probably will find this easier. |
| 04:18.41 | mnszmul | heh...http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip read that first |
| 04:18.55 | karlpinc | billfinch: I am in the other debian channel. You went away. |
| 04:19.16 | billfinch | Yeah, just too many popups. |
| 04:19.21 | epsilon | learn how fileystem works, package management, compile kernel and stuff until the installation is broken |
| 04:19.24 | billfinch | I couldn't just communicate. |
| 04:19.30 | billfinch | Okay, wait one sec |
| 04:19.36 | karlpinc | billfinch: (It'd be easiest to just install gnome. But not if you don't have the disk space/ram to run it.) |
| 04:19.38 | billfinch | I need to go back and write some of this down. |
| 04:19.45 | karlpinc | billfinch: Those are the factoids. |
| 04:19.52 | karlpinc | They are helpful. |
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| 04:20.06 | billfinch | Root is like the admin right? |
| 04:20.12 | karlpinc | billfinch: Right. |
| 04:20.19 | karlpinc | billfinch: Here's another then: |
| 04:20.21 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 04:20.21 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 04:21.00 | billfinch | Is that .zip file a joke or real? |
| 04:21.10 | karlpinc | billfinch: ? |
| 04:21.44 | billfinch | http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip |
| 04:21.47 | karlpinc | billfinch: You need another IRC program. |
| 04:21.54 | billfinch | What do you mean? |
| 04:22.16 | karlpinc | billfinch: One that does not give you popups when you get a private message from the bot. |
| 04:22.38 | karlpinc | billfinch: What does that zip file have to do with us? |
| 04:23.24 | billfinch | Someone posted it in here. |
| 04:23.38 | karlpinc | billfinch: Ah. Now I see. |
| 04:23.51 | karlpinc | billfinch: In the beginng was the command line. Right? |
| 04:23.58 | billfinch | Yes... |
| 04:24.33 | karlpinc | billfinch: No. It's not a joke. But it's a chunk of reading that's a bit abstract and you may not want to get into it. |
| 04:24.49 | billfinch | I loved learning Command Prompt. |
| 04:24.56 | billfinch | But, it's like I'm starting completely over. |
| 04:25.05 | karlpinc | billfinch: Then you'll like linux. |
| 04:25.17 | billfinch | That's what I'm thinking. |
| 04:25.39 | billfinch | I just feel like if I could get in, I could figure it out, lol. I'm just stuck watching 4 dots turn red and white. |
| 04:25.55 | karlpinc | billfinch: Yes.... Sorta.... MS has put a lot of work into twisting existing vocabularly and doing everything else possible to enhance lock-in to their products. |
| 04:26.28 | billfinch | Yeah, that's why I want Linux. |
| 04:26.33 | karlpinc | billfinch: You will also like RFCs then. |
| 04:26.38 | billfinch | What is that? |
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| 04:26.55 | karlpinc | !rfc |
| 04:26.55 | dpkg | Request for Comments (RFC) is an Internet Engineering Task Force memorandum on Internet systems and standards. http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/ http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html . For private address ranges, see <rfc 1918>. |
| 04:27.08 | karlpinc | billfinch: It's how the Internet was designed. |
| 04:27.19 | billfinch | Oh wow. |
| 04:27.37 | karlpinc | billfinch: Was and is. |
| 04:28.51 | billfinch | So, start with this Debian min install thing? Then get LXDE live CD? |
| 04:30.05 | karlpinc | billfinch: No. Start with the mini install. Install the base system. Login. Type the commands I told you above to install lxde. |
| 04:30.17 | swilson06 | errr, it's a direction you should take when implementing things |
| 04:30.34 | swilson06 | at the point of rfc, things have generally been 'designed' |
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| 04:31.03 | karlpinc | billfinch: Then install any other software you want. Like a web browser. (The default is iceweasel. If it's too slow try something else.) |
| 04:31.12 | billfinch | Yeah, I just remembeed that |
| 04:31.17 | billfinch | *remembered |
| 04:31.21 | billfinch | if I have a connection |
| 04:31.29 | karlpinc | billfinch: Get help here. |
| 04:31.31 | billfinch | I can just get it off the internet. And sorry for the spaces. |
| 04:31.35 | karlpinc | billfinch: You have only one computer? |
| 04:31.39 | billfinch | I have two. |
| 04:31.45 | billfinch | Laptop and desktop. |
| 04:31.49 | karlpinc | billfinch: So you can use the other to get help here. |
| 04:32.04 | billfinch | The desktop is my project. It's myself forcing myself to learn computers/coding/internet |
| 04:32.07 | billfinch | Yes :D |
| 04:32.22 | karlpinc | !iceweasel |
| 04:32.23 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 04:34.49 | karlpinc | billfinch: Just be sure to use the command "aptitude" or the synaptic GUI package manager to install software. |
| 04:35.15 | billfinch | Yeah, I have all that written down. |
| 04:35.34 | karlpinc | billfinch: !ig |
| 04:35.37 | karlpinc | !ig |
| 04:35.37 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 04:35.39 | billfinch | I'm all ears here, Karl. I really just want to learn and it's great because it's totally new so I can't pretend to know stuff. lol |
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| 04:36.13 | karlpinc | billfinch: No worries. If nobody answers you question try again after some time. Or write the debian-user mailing list. |
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| 04:37.30 | karlpinc | billfinch: Or read the man or info pages ("man less", "man man", "info info" to start) or the online debian docs. As a last resort google or take advice from random web pages. Debian does the system's integration so you don't have to. You break this if you install stuff from random places. |
| 04:37.33 | billfinch | Will do. Be back shortly. About to do some eating. |
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| 04:57.39 | zgedneil | Miller42: if you're only keeping /home it would be fine, keeping /etc may or may not be ok |
| 04:58.01 | zgedneil | I think it would probably be ok |
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| 05:00.35 | zgedneil | Miller42: although you say "installing Deb over Ub", do you mean without deleting any of Ubuntu first? |
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| 05:02.31 | billfinch | lol, same question I had |
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| 05:03.27 | zgedneil | is Ubuntu suddenly unpopular for some reason? :-) |
| 05:04.45 | mtx_init | zgedneil: most people just want an OS that works and is friendly. Debian 6 is just that, so no more reason to deal with Ubuntu's bulk and release schedule. |
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| 05:05.37 | zgedneil | my take on it is that Debian isn't obviously more or less friendly than in the past, so it seems surprising to me |
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| 05:06.46 | mtx_init | it is, I could never use debian before due to it's horrific font production. Now it is comparable to Ubuntu. |
| 05:06.54 | benzaldehyde | i like to switch around a lot, i had fedora before this and ubuntu before that. ubuntu had a lof of GUI enthusiasts |
| 05:07.04 | mtx_init | or fedora, both have good font systems |
| 05:07.26 | zgedneil | mtx_init: the modern approach is pretty horrific to disable if you prefer bitmap fonts, believe me |
| 05:07.36 | ppalmes | the best is to love the CLI... then debian beats them hands down. |
| 05:07.55 | zgedneil | I had it properly disabled before, but having lost that config I can't seem to figure it out again |
| 05:08.41 | mtx_init | what I think are called libcairo2 fonts are the only fonts that work with my eyes. I cant even use osx or windows |
| 05:08.45 | mtx_init | the fonts look awful |
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| 05:08.50 | zgedneil | ppalmes: this is probably why Debian doesn't seem any different to me than it was :-) |
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| 05:08.52 | ppalmes | still likes the idea of separate modular system... separate wm, dm, etc. |
| 05:09.05 | ppalmes | zgedneil: precisely the point :) |
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| 05:09.46 | zgedneil | mtx_init: my "problem" is that anti-aliased fonts tend to give me a headache, so I need to disable that - and without that you need a much higher res than I use for scalable fonts to look bearable |
| 05:10.26 | mtx_init | so you prefer the old way? |
| 05:10.50 | zgedneil | from a personal perspective yes, I accept that the newer way is much better for most people |
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| 05:12.42 | DammitJim | weird.. the samsung utility cd didn't work... not with sata DVD ROM |
| 05:12.50 | DammitJim | tried 2 different isos |
| 05:12.59 | mtx_init | the way debian does it today is not as good as ubuntu even with the same settings, not sure why, there us still some haze. But it is good enough for me |
| 05:13.03 | DammitJim | now I'm just formatting the partition using wheezy's install |
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| 05:13.25 | DammitJim | it is @ 33%... we'll see how far we get :D |
| 05:13.40 | zgedneil | mtx_init: could be font hinting is handled differently |
| 05:14.00 | zgedneil | only a guess though |
| 05:14.46 | DammitJim | magic... it created the partition! |
| 05:16.05 | zgedneil | so you're saying it's... partition magic? |
| 05:17.44 | mtx_init | zgedneil: yeah maybe |
| 05:18.18 | royce3 | i've got a distro that's using squeezefs and aufs, but it's lacking 8139 drivers, I've gotten hold of the ko files for that kernel version, but how do I get them in the /lib/modules/2.../kernel/drivers/etc/ folder? |
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| 05:18.47 | resixian | is now running squeeze... |
| 05:19.16 | royce3 | it's HP's ThinPro which is running Debian Lenny if that helps |
| 05:22.11 | zgedneil | royce3: does it have /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
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| 05:22.47 | royce3 | yes |
| 05:23.18 | zgedneil | royce3: you should be able to just copy them into the appropriate dir for the running kernel, then add a line to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules for the driver |
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| 05:23.37 | zgedneil | then do update-initramfs to update |
| 05:23.49 | royce3 | I will give that a try, thanks! |
| 05:24.12 | Big_Brother | isn't the command for checking network connection: ifconfig |
| 05:24.12 | Big_Brother | >? |
| 05:24.27 | zgedneil | Big_Brother: problem? |
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| 05:24.58 | Big_Brother | zgedneil: the command for checking network connection is: problem |
| 05:24.59 | Big_Brother | ? |
| 05:25.03 | zgedneil | lol |
| 05:25.12 | zgedneil | no, I mean, is there a reason you're asking? |
| 05:25.23 | Big_Brother | because i would like to confirm. |
| 05:25.31 | zgedneil | but yes, ifconfig is usually a reasonable way to check |
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| 05:26.26 | Big_Brother | well ok then. |
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| 05:28.24 | ppalmes | Big_Brother: use ping or traceroute or route |
| 05:28.43 | ppalmes | ifconfig is only for configuration of network |
| 05:29.05 | Big_Brother | also tells me if i'm even connected. |
| 05:29.42 | Big_Brother | wasn't there a DVD set with non-free? |
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| 05:30.54 | ppalmes | no more i think for debian to be purely condidered adhering to FSF |
| 05:31.10 | Big_Brother | :/ |
| 05:31.39 | Big_Brother | i think my little eMachines machine needs non-free for its NIC though. |
| 05:31.54 | royce3 | i can't copy the ko files into the /lib/modules/2*/kernel/drivers/net/ folder because it's a ro squashfs filesystem. is there a way to inject the files via aufs? |
| 05:32.04 | ppalmes | you can add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:32.12 | mosno | ppalmes: the simple fact that non-free exists is enough cause for the FSF to not recommend Debian |
| 05:32.20 | Big_Brother | ppalmes, useless. |
| 05:32.39 | ppalmes | non-free is not distributed. you have to pull it. |
| 05:32.55 | ppalmes | there is a big difference between pushing and pulling. |
| 05:32.57 | mosno | ppalmes: that's besides the point |
| 05:33.09 | Big_Brother | ppalmes, if i can't get online because i can't netinst because it can't install/use the proper driver, adding anything to sources.list is a moot motion. |
| 05:33.51 | ppalmes | Big_Brother: use debboostrao |
| 05:34.14 | ppalmes | Big_Brother: using some livecd running in your emachines. |
| 05:34.31 | ppalmes | *debootstrap |
| 05:34.32 | mosno | ppalmes: http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#Debian |
| 05:34.55 | mosno | ppalmes: (note, i strongly suppport existence of the non-free repo) |
| 05:35.26 | boudiccas | test |
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| 05:35.38 | boudiccas | oh, i can post here then! :) |
| 05:35.57 | boudiccas | how do i enable the testing repo please? |
| 05:36.53 | ppalmes | mosno: no argument needed. |
| 05:37.43 | ppalmes | mosno: i know they exists... but i use only when it is really necessary. so far, i don't need them... |
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| 05:39.02 | zgedneil | what annoys me most re: non-free is the whole firmware thing, where you need to deal with binary blobs just because the manufacturers were too cheap to include a ROM chip or whatever |
| 05:39.29 | boudiccas | how do i enable the testing repo in debian 6 please? |
| 05:39.51 | zgedneil | boudiccas: you mean you want to switch to testing? |
| 05:40.18 | boudiccas | zgedneil, i dont know, i just want to see whats there |
| 05:40.20 | ppalmes | !testing |
| 05:40.20 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 05:41.27 | zgedneil | the testing security one is probably worth doing too |
| 05:41.29 | ppalmes | if you don't know testing, better try it in a non-critical systems... or maybe inside a virtual OS |
| 05:41.31 | boudiccas | ppalmes, ah thanks, i guess this box is marked as 'critical' so i'll avoid it for the time being then. thanks :) |
| 05:41.31 | zgedneil | !testing security |
| 05:41.31 | dpkg | Wheezy is unlikely to receive full security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in testing. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask me about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>. |
| 05:41.55 | mosno | ppalmes: yeah, best to avoid if possible |
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| 05:42.25 | zgedneil | boudiccas: you probably want to look for backports if there's anything specific you want, or just compile it yourself |
| 05:42.46 | ppalmes | notes that he learned a lot about debian by trying sid and testing. breaking the system is a good learning experience... just not in critical system env. |
| 05:42.48 | boudiccas | zgedneil, okay thanks |
| 05:42.52 | zgedneil | I don't think it's very different from squeeze so far though :-) |
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| 05:43.09 | ppalmes | currently, not that different. |
| 05:43.23 | simonlnu | not very much, right now. it'll start to diverge in 6 months or so. |
| 05:43.31 | ppalmes | until near the next release cycle... |
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| 05:44.13 | simonlnu | squeeze wasn't all that different from sid, until the freeze, afaict |
| 05:44.26 | simonlnu | not like lenny was |
| 05:46.51 | treebeen | i think squeeze is a step in the right direction, it's not so seriously out of date like lenny |
| 05:47.00 | treebeen | I mean at release time |
| 05:47.24 | ppalmes | treebeen: yep. the current debian mgt is right on target. |
| 05:48.01 | royce3 | i'm having some trouble with update-initramfs. root is loaded ro, so I'm loading sda1 rw at /mnt/sda1 and passing "-b /mnt/sda1/boot" to update-initramfs, but it's still complaining about ro filesystem. what am I doing wrong? |
| 05:48.14 | treebeen | but it still defaults to ext3, even RHEL 6 defaults to ext4 |
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| 05:49.20 | treebeen | royce3: you need / ro? |
| 05:49.41 | simonlnu | i switched to ext4 after it was released as a 'full' version (no ext4dev), plus a coupla months. haven't had a problem with it, ever. like the others ones, rock solid. |
| 05:49.44 | royce3 | i need /boot to be rw so update-initramfs can write the new init |
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| 05:50.25 | treebeen | royce3: sure, but why can't you just have root rw? |
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| 05:50.52 | royce3 | because my distro ( HP Thin Pro ) uses squashfs and aufs, so / is ro |
| 05:51.16 | simonlnu | what's mount and /proc/mounts say it's mounted like? |
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| 05:51.23 | royce3 | it's a great distro with the one exception that it's lacking a decent selection of nic drivers |
| 05:51.35 | simonlnu | and off-topic for here |
| 05:52.16 | royce3 | mount says: aufs on / type aufs (ro,noplink,br:/.flash/root-cow=rw:/.flash/origfs=rr) |
| 05:52.27 | zgedneil | simonlnu: apparently it's lenny more or less |
| 05:52.42 | royce3 | yeah it's lenny |
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| 05:59.31 | Sw33NY | hi all |
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| 06:03.25 | ershad | Hi, could you tell me how to disable the beep sound while shutting down debian sqeeze? |
| 06:03.50 | ershad | I'm using GNOME DE |
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| 06:08.26 | treebeen | ershad: mute the pc speaker, or blacklist the pcspkr module |
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| 06:08.49 | zgedneil | I recommend the blacklisting approach, it covers *everything* |
| 06:09.10 | zgedneil | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf is the file you want |
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| 06:10.00 | treebeen | zgedneil: no, it doesn't, some soundcards have the pc speaker mapped, unloading the module will not disable that AFAIK |
| 06:10.01 | resixian | wow, i've never even heard of the distros on the fsf's recommended list |
| 06:10.02 | zgedneil | I vaguely remember that pcspkr doesn't work for everybody though, I think there's a different module needed on some computers |
| 06:10.08 | zgedneil | there you go |
| 06:10.20 | zgedneil | I meant the module-blacklisting approach in the general sense |
| 06:10.43 | ershad | treebeen: zgedneil, the issue is that, istead of making good-been, it produces a weird sound. |
| 06:10.47 | treebeen | zgedneil: well, you wouldn't want to blacklist your soundcard :) |
| 06:10.52 | ershad | *beep |
| 06:11.00 | zgedneil | treebeen: then you would unplug it |
| 06:11.11 | zgedneil | if you can't unplug it, use a different soundcard :-) |
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| 06:11.21 | ershad | zgedneil: treebeen, I need sound for hearing music |
| 06:11.36 | zgedneil | do you really need PC speaker sound? |
| 06:11.52 | ershad | zgedneil: yes :) |
| 06:12.02 | zgedneil | uh ... are you sure? |
| 06:12.15 | resixian | zgedneil: snd-pcsp is theother one |
| 06:12.19 | ershad | zgedneil: I mean, i want to hear music |
| 06:12.20 | zgedneil | thanks |
| 06:12.29 | treebeen | ershad: open up "alsamixer" from terminal |
| 06:12.35 | ershad | ok, |
| 06:12.39 | zgedneil | ershad: ok, that's not usually PC speaker though |
| 06:13.02 | treebeen | ershad: do you have beep/speaker there? |
| 06:13.11 | zgedneil | ershad: if you really want to do it another way there are alternatives, it's just that this fixes the problem in one place for good |
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| 06:14.12 | ershad | treebeen: I'm using a Dell laptop |
| 06:14.27 | ershad | treebeen: muted pc been |
| 06:14.38 | rypervenche | I currently use Ubuntu, but am thinking of learning to use Debian. I have heard a lot of things about it. Are there any main things I need to know about it before going headfirst into it? |
| 06:14.42 | treebeen | ershad: ok, then it should be fixed |
| 06:15.03 | ectospasm | rypervenche: I'm practically in the same transition |
| 06:15.22 | ppalmes | rypervenche: try it. highly recommended. |
| 06:15.34 | ershad | treebeen: zgedneil : Thanks, Issue is solved :) Debian is really nice, I'm loving it. Nice day |
| 06:15.37 | zgedneil | ershad: you should be able to try printf \\a in a terminal to test |
| 06:15.40 | ppalmes | decide.... and then think :) |
| 06:15.40 | ectospasm | rypervenche: I'd recommend becoming intimately familiar with administration from the Linux shell (CLI) |
| 06:15.50 | ectospasm | rypervenche: like learn to use aptitude |
| 06:16.01 | ectospasm | ...from within Ubuntu if you need to first |
| 06:16.08 | ershad | zgedneil: The output is silence :) |
| 06:16.23 | zgedneil | that seems reasonable then :-) |
| 06:16.45 | zgedneil | just saying because I have a beep setting on my card here for example, but it's not actually used for anything |
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| 06:18.06 | ershad | zgedneil: I see |
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| 06:23.57 | rypervenche | ectospasm: I really enjoy using the CLI, however I am used to using apt-get. |
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| 06:24.25 | ectospasm | rypervenche: I find aptitude more full-featured, but it doesn't matter which one you use, really |
| 06:24.29 | ershad | Another doubt, could you tell me how to get autocompletion for apt-get install <pk-name> command? Like Ubuntu? |
| 06:24.31 | ectospasm | !tell rypervenche about aptitude |
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| 06:24.53 | rypervenche | The updates to desktop sessions, Unity and Gnome3 are what got me to first look at this, but now I'm thinking that stability is probably better than having my programs up-to-date. |
| 06:26.20 | ectospasm | rypervenche: I've come to value stability as well. |
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| 06:26.53 | ectospasm | rypervenche: however, if I need a feature in a particular piece of software not available on squeeze, there are methods to get it. |
| 06:26.55 | rypervenche | So for dist-upgrades it might be better to use apt-get, but for everything else, aptitude? |
| 06:27.39 | ectospasm | !tell rypervenche about why aptitude |
| 06:27.43 | ectospasm | !tell rypervenche about why not aptitude |
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| 06:28.00 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 06:28.17 | buharin | erAbuelo, :) |
| 06:30.34 | rypervenche | Ah, ok thanks. I should have fully asked dpkg questions before asking. |
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| 06:31.44 | ectospasm | rypervenche: so to recap: it looks like if you're upgrading from old stable to stable (lenny->squeeze), you should use apt-get |
| 06:31.50 | ershad | is http://iangibbs.org/howto/howToRecompileKernel.html okay to try compiling kernel in squeeze? |
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| 06:32.36 | zgedneil | rypervenche: FWIW I would say what you said is basically right, I use aptitude almost exclusively |
| 06:33.00 | rypervenche | Ok, I suppose I will learn. |
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| 06:33.46 | zgedneil | you can use aptitude as a substitute apt-get for starters :-) |
| 06:34.30 | ectospasm | ershad: that looks right to me, though some of the pathnames will change. I am no Debian expert though, so beware. |
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| 06:38.20 | ershad | ectospasm: ok. I would like to try 'wonder patch', has anyone uploaded the config file of amd64 debian ssqeeze? |
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| 06:42.39 | simonlnu | ershad: it's in 2.6.38 and above |
| 06:43.20 | simonlnu | there's a patch around. google it. |
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| 06:44.08 | ershad | simonlnu: I got the archive of 2.6.38.4, loooking ways for compiling it in amd64 |
| 06:44.46 | simonlnu | !k-p |
| 06:44.46 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 06:45.23 | ZitZ | i have an external hard drive that works fine in usb, but when i use it with esata, it is detected by the bios, but not at all in debian, it isn't even in mtab, and there is no dmesg that looks interesting |
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| 06:46.36 | simonlnu | mtab implies it's mounted. unless you mounted it, it wouldn't show up there. |
| 06:46.46 | ershad | simonlnu: Thanks! |
| 06:47.11 | ZitZ | okay, it's not anywhere, there is no /dev/sdb1 which is where it should be |
| 06:48.12 | simonlnu | check dmesg to see if it was detected |
| 06:48.23 | ZitZ | nothing in dmesg |
| 06:48.44 | ZitZ | it should say something about ata link is up, but it doesn't |
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| 06:49.46 | simonlnu | then you probably don't have the right driver loaded, or it's not supported by your kernel |
| 06:50.08 | ZitZ | it's all stock |
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| 06:51.16 | simonlnu | what's all 'stock'? |
| 06:51.30 | ZitZ | the kernel is stock debian, 2.6.38 from testing |
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| 06:52.07 | simonlnu | and? |
| 06:52.38 | ZitZ | should work, it worked before, this isn't the first time ive tried this hardware |
| 06:53.03 | boudiccas | how do i get themes for gkrellm please, there must be different 'skin's for it available? |
| 06:53.05 | simonlnu | ok, so what changed? did you plug it in beforehand, or is this hotplug? |
| 06:53.13 | simonlnu | boudiccas: google it |
| 06:53.17 | ppalmes | boudiccas: apt-cache search theme |
| 06:53.19 | ZitZ | hotplug |
| 06:53.23 | ppalmes | boudiccas: apt-cache search theme gkrellm |
| 06:53.26 | ZitZ | but it doesn't work either way |
| 06:55.14 | boudiccas | ppalmes, thanks for that, i'm slowly learning my way round apt-get and its associated commands |
| 06:55.49 | ppalmes | boudiccas: once you get used to CLI, it is way powerful than GUI in things that you can automate |
| 06:55.49 | boudiccas | simonlnu, as there arent any i'm going to have to google for it ;) |
| 06:56.28 | ppalmes | boudiccas: use apt-cache, dpkg, apt-file search, tasksel, and aptitude |
| 06:56.40 | boudiccas | ppalmes, i'm used to using yum as i come from a CentOS background which i used for four years. so far its three days on debian :) |
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| 06:57.06 | tweek_ | question: is there a way to prioritize applications over data in caching behavior? here's an example of what i mean: open iceweasel. close iceweasel. open iceweasel again, it opens fast, because it's in the cache now. open large video file. open iceweasel again: slow, because video file pushed applications out of the cache. at least that's my theory of what is happening... |
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| 06:57.18 | ppalmes | boudiccas: in a month time of CLI, you'll appreciate the power of debian package management. |
| 06:57.46 | ppalmes | boudiccas: yum was i think based on debian package management... i mean the dependency |
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| 06:58.53 | rypervenche | Is it a good idea to create a root account or should I just use sudo? |
| 06:58.56 | ppalmes | tweek_: if the data is not prioritize, are you willing to watch a video that pauses from time to time? |
| 06:59.02 | boudiccas | how do i make the command bar at the bottom of the screen in kde fatter please. its incredibly small and cramped atm? |
| 06:59.06 | ppalmes | rypervenche: sudo is better |
| 06:59.58 | ppalmes | boudiccas: use openbox and other small wm instead of kde... if you want to optimize CLI. kde is bloated for terminal CLI |
| 07:00.18 | tweek_ | ppalmes: that would not happen, because the first time i am watching it, it has to be loaded from the disk anyway, and that works too. but i don't want it to remain in the cache, because i won't need it any time soon again, unlike iceweasel |
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| 07:00.55 | ppalmes | tweek_: the reason it was loaded because the ram and the cache was replaced by the movie |
| 07:01.13 | ppalmes | tweek_: increase you RAM. |
| 07:01.44 | tweek_ | ppalmes: i have abundant ram. but as soon as i have manipulated files as big as my ram, all cached applications will be gone again, no matter how much ram |
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| 07:02.10 | tweek_ | ppalmes: to be clear, i am not talking about running applications being swapped to disk |
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| 07:02.25 | ppalmes | tweek_: precisely. your cache is part of ram. if you use apps as big as ram, whatever in the cache wll be gone |
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| 07:03.09 | tweek_ | ppalmes: so i'm afraid that cache does not differentiate between, say, iceweasel and avatar-full-hd.avi? |
| 07:04.13 | ZitZ | weird, suddenly it works inexplicably, after a couple hours of relentless yak shaving |
| 07:04.15 | ppalmes | tweek_: maybe it uses last in last out or last in last out... but it doesn't tag something and track it to do prioritization. it works i think like a stack or queue... |
| 07:04.32 | ppalmes | i mean first in first out, last in first out,etc |
| 07:04.40 | omnipotentduo | has anyone gotten this error when trying to 'make' a file? http://pastebin.com/77H63YM2 |
| 07:05.30 | ZitZ | your trying to make in the wrong directory i suspect |
| 07:05.32 | rypervenche | ppalmes: Ok, thanks. |
| 07:05.37 | ZitZ | or you didn't ./configure yet |
| 07:05.44 | ppalmes | tweek_: even if it prioritize something, if an apps request a ram as big as yours, it has to prioritize the running process and give up whatever in the cache because it has no idea how soon you will need it. |
| 07:05.54 | ZitZ | basically, for somereason there is no makefile |
| 07:06.37 | tweek_ | ppalmes: so if i want to keep an important and frequently-used application ready-to-use (= in ram), i must not close it, because in the cache it will be pushed out after a while, right? |
| 07:06.43 | omnipotentduo | so do i just ./configure? or do I need to be in a specific dir? |
| 07:06.46 | tweek_ | ppalmes: sorry, wait |
| 07:07.22 | ppalmes | tweek_: yep. what is in the cache is not running. it is dispensable as far as the OS is concerned. |
| 07:07.27 | tweek_ | ppalmes: i understand that. so if i watch a large movie, mplayer itself, as an applicationm, will request that much ram? |
| 07:07.33 | ZitZ | do an 'ls' make sure the configure script is in the directory you are in, the do ./configure and it should make a makefile |
| 07:08.17 | ppalmes | tweek_: it has to maximize what is available in the ram without slowing the entire system. you can track your mem using vmstat |
| 07:08.39 | tweek_ | ppalmes: thanks for that one, will have a look at vmstat |
| 07:08.42 | ppalmes | tweek_: but anything in the cache is replaceable by a running process |
| 07:08.54 | omnipotentduo | ZitZ: on the file i'm trying to make there isn't a ./configure |
| 07:09.20 | ppalmes | tweek_: the moment it start swapping, then most likely the cache is gone. |
| 07:09.25 | tweek_ | ppalmes: but anything in the cache will also be replaced by new cache things, even if they are less useful, because the system does not know that |
| 07:09.36 | tweek_ | ppalmes: doesn't ever swap, i have 2gb |
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| 07:10.14 | ppalmes | tweek_: yep. different folks, different strokes. the system uses simple rules like least recently used or less frequently used to replace |
| 07:10.29 | ZitZ | look around, usually in the top level of the source there is a configure script, but it does depend on what the source is, it could use autotools, or rarely it could want you to hand compile with gcc, which i haven't done in a while |
| 07:10.58 | ppalmes | tweek_: but it is expensive really to track priority particularly linux is a multiuser. what is essential to yours may not be important to others |
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| 07:11.27 | omnipotentduo | ZitZ: its a wifi driver I did ls in the top dir for the extract of the .tar.gz |
| 07:11.32 | tweek_ | ppalmes: but usually applications are always more important than mere 'files', no? |
| 07:11.47 | ZitZ | which wifi driver? |
| 07:11.50 | ppalmes | tweek_: apps load the files. without apps, files are useless |
| 07:11.57 | omnipotentduo | Zitz: realtek 8192SE |
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| 07:12.21 | omnipotentduo | Zitz: also I'm a 64bit user |
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| 07:12.53 | ppalmes | files are seldom cache. it is the apps that determines the importance of data... unless maybe in a database system where data is the main focus |
| 07:13.37 | ZitZ | i'm surprised it isn't in module assistant |
| 07:13.45 | tweek_ | ppalmes: so to be sure i understand the underlying technicalities: the caching of applications works exaclty the same way as the caching of files, it's just something from the filesystem, be it the file 'firefox-bin' or the file 'movie.avi'? |
| 07:13.47 | ZitZ | but that is a rare one i suspect |
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| 07:14.18 | omnipotentduo | ZitZ: apparently toshiba likes it, it seems only people who have toshiba sat's have it |
| 07:14.33 | omnipotentduo | ZitZ: and the occasional think pad |
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| 07:14.57 | ZitZ | it's hard for someone to explain compiling this way, unless your sitting there with the person, you have to look around for directions on compiling that |
| 07:15.12 | ppalmes | tweek_: i think apps are cache in OS, not data. OS has no idea about the data because the one using it are the apps. if the running app request a big data, OS has to release whatever in cache to prioritize the running app request. |
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| 07:15.20 | ZitZ | you could try the debian-wiki they have a good toshiba section |
| 07:15.34 | omnipotentduo | ZitZ: will take a look, thanks |
| 07:15.41 | ZitZ | a good thinkpad section too |
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| 07:17.34 | rly | Does AutoCad run in a virtual machine on Debian or does it crawl? I.e., is it useable? |
| 07:17.36 | ppalmes | even if the program is in memory, if another running app request a big data, this program will be swapped to disk to free RAM for the requesting app. so even if iceweasel is running, the moment you view big movie, possible that iceweasel will be swapped out and the next time you use it, there will be delays because it has to be loaded from vm to ram |
| 07:18.10 | ppalmes | the idea for a faster system is to invest in more RAM aside from CPU |
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| 07:20.19 | ppalmes | notes that the bottleneck nowadays is due to small RAM considering that most apps are bloated. |
| 07:20.23 | tweek_ | ppalmes: but if i watch a large movie, i don't think mplayer actually requests that much memory, but the movie fills up the 'filesystem' cache or something |
| 07:20.48 | ppalmes | tweek_: yep. possible. |
| 07:21.14 | ppalmes | tweek_: because playing movie does not require highspeed ram. just a little caching will do it. |
| 07:21.56 | ppalmes | tweek_: you can check in top and vmstat how much ram mplayer is using |
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| 07:22.53 | reber | hi |
| 07:23.23 | Gryllida | I'm looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ and not seeing how to make it impossible for users to see processes of other users. |
| 07:23.38 | ppalmes | ps ax |
| 07:23.44 | reber | what is the name of the package that shows in kde new hotplug devices ? (usb, cdrom,etc.) ? |
| 07:23.56 | ppalmes | ps axu |
| 07:24.27 | ppalmes | lspci? |
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| 07:25.39 | Gryllida | ppalmes, Yes, there's an additional argument needed to see the full list. It seems that any user can see the full list right now. I want to disable that. |
| 07:25.53 | Leoneof | hi, what's gvfsd-http ? |
| 07:26.05 | reber | you know when you insert an usb device, a window pops. any ideas please ? |
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| 07:27.29 | SparFux | Hi all. Will halevt be removed in short terms in sid? |
| 07:27.41 | ppalmes | Gryllida: hmm. perhaps selinux or grsecurity |
| 07:28.16 | ppalmes | Gryllida: processes are advertised in /proc. as long as it is viewable, you can't hide the processes. |
| 07:28.48 | ppalmes | Gryllida: you need a kernel hack for this |
| 07:29.34 | Gryllida | I'm all ears |
| 07:31.10 | ppalmes | Gryllida: use grsecurity: |
| 07:31.19 | ppalmes | Gryllida: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/selinux-vs-apparmor-vs-grsecurity.html |
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| 07:31.49 | ppalmes | Gryllida: read the description of grsecurity there which allows you to let users see only their processes. |
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| 07:34.41 | red2kic | I can see how to add the user to group 'sudo' via Users-&-Groups. -- How would I do it via CLI? |
| 07:35.06 | ppalmes | red2kic: man adduser or useradd... not sure |
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| 07:35.28 | ppalmes | addgroup |
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| 07:35.57 | ppalmes | adduser *user* *group* |
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| 07:39.26 | red2kic | ppalmes: Thank you. "adduser USER GROUP" :) |
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| 07:43.13 | Gryllida | ppalmes, I was pretty much expecting a conf edit. Is this tool secure? |
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| 08:09.02 | red2kic | Hi. How can I remove gnome-games,sound-juicer,etc? I get complains about dependencies. |
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| 08:11.03 | Bushmills | remove the dependencies along with the packages which you want to remove |
| 08:11.19 | pesadilla | hello, i have a question, a minimal installation of debian contains packages with field "Essential: yes", right? or should contains too packages with "Priority: required" |
| 08:12.05 | Bushmills | required in any case. essential too, but less required than "required" |
| 08:12.25 | pesadilla | ok thanks |
| 08:12.36 | Bushmills | you end up with about 100 packages |
| 08:13.02 | pesadilla | you're right |
| 08:13.09 | red2kic | Bushmills: I wish to keep gnome, gdebi, gnome-office (for now). |
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| 08:13.25 | red2kic | Bushmills: It would ask if I wnat to remove gnome + gnome-de |
| 08:13.27 | Bushmills | red2kic: you don't want those |
| 08:13.59 | Bushmills | yes, you want to remove gnome - that creates the dependencies on for example games, and is the reason why they are installed |
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| 08:14.11 | Bushmills | !metapackage |
| 08:14.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 08:14.30 | ppalmes | Gryllida: yep. it is linux kernel hack. you cannot simply do it in config. |
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| 08:15.03 | red2kic | Bushmills: I understand what metapackage is, but from what you're telling me. I ought to purge everything then reinstall packages (as individuals)? |
| 08:15.24 | Bushmills | no. you don't want to purge the packages which you want to keep |
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| 08:16.05 | gusteru | someone can tell me how to install php please? |
| 08:16.39 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 08:16.39 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 08:18.04 | gusteru | someone can tell me how to install php please? |
| 08:18.14 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 08:18.14 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 08:18.26 | ectospasm | !tell gusteru about aptitude |
| 08:18.29 | Bushmills | gusteru: ^ |
| 08:19.34 | rypervenche | gusteru: You should just need to install php5 |
| 08:19.47 | red2kic | Bushmills: {a},{u},{p} stands for...? |
| 08:19.51 | gusteru | rypervenche yes |
| 08:20.23 | red2kic | {a} = metapackage? {p} = package? I'm not sure what {u} is. |
| 08:20.53 | ectospasm | red2kic: {a} is probably automatic |
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| 08:21.00 | ectospasm | don't know about the others. |
| 08:21.26 | gusteru | red2kic I do "apt-get install php*" but have an error - E: Dependencias incumplidas. Intente 'apt-get -f install' sin paquetes (o especifique una solución). |
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| 08:22.25 | ectospasm | gusteru: try "aptitude -y install php5" |
| 08:22.42 | ectospasm | gusteru: aptitude is better at resolving dependencies than apt-get |
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| 08:23.13 | mzb- | 'better' is subjective, right? |
| 08:23.26 | Bushmills | red2kic: the packages which you want to keep, which are marked with "a", you want to toggle the "a" - i.e., mark them as manually installed, rather than auto installed |
| 08:23.30 | gusteru | ectospasm seems to work, thanks |
| 08:23.30 | ectospasm | mzb-: should I have said more robust? |
| 08:23.42 | mzb- | I don't believe you |
| 08:23.49 | ectospasm | mzb-: at least in *this*, it was better |
| 08:24.06 | mzb- | *this* ? |
| 08:24.08 | ectospasm | mzb-: apt-get choked, whereas aptitude resolved the dependency |
| 08:24.18 | ectospasm | er, *this* case... |
| 08:24.33 | gusteru | ectospasm Se encontraron errores al procesar: |
| 08:24.33 | gusteru | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.33 | ectospasm | YMMV as with anything |
| 08:24.49 | red2kic | YMMW? |
| 08:25.10 | red2kic | YMMV* |
| 08:25.11 | mzb- | sounds like FUD to me |
| 08:25.16 | ectospasm | gusteru: that makes no sense, I don't understand Spanish (or Portuguese, whatever it is) |
| 08:25.25 | ectospasm | red2kic: Your Mileage May Vary. |
| 08:25.28 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/dict.cgi?ymmv |
| 08:25.31 | red2kic | Ah. |
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| 08:25.44 | gusteru | ectospasm The processing of encontraron errores: |
| 08:25.44 | gusteru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:26.08 | mzb- | no empirical evidence other than "the default/bas/basic" installer didn't work for me |
| 08:26.12 | ectospasm | gusteru: guessing you have some sort of locale processing dependency |
| 08:26.13 | mzb- | == FUD |
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| 08:26.44 | ectospasm | mzb-: the empirical evidence was that gusteru (at least at first) indicated aptitude worked for it |
| 08:26.59 | gusteru | ectospasm I do not understand |
| 08:26.59 | ectospasm | !tell mzb- why aptitude |
| 08:27.01 | mzb- | evidence my backside! |
| 08:27.07 | ectospasm | !tell mzb- why not aptitude |
| 08:27.12 | ectospasm | mzb-: OT |
| 08:27.20 | mzb- | WHAT? |
| 08:27.30 | ectospasm | mzb-: off-topic |
| 08:27.33 | mzb- | this is #DEBIAN, right? |
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| 08:27.49 | rypervenche | I'm on Ubuntu, but will be installing Debian very soon. What folders/files should I back up and bring with me to Debian? |
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| 08:27.57 | mzb- | and when do you get to decide what's OT? |
| 08:28.13 | red2kic | rypervenche: /home/ & /etc? (imo) |
| 08:28.17 | ectospasm | philosophical discussions about whether aptitude or apt-get are better don't belong to this support channel, as I've been told before. |
| 08:28.26 | mzb- | the point is that apt-get is the _STANDARD_ tool |
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| 08:28.45 | mzb- | and fyi I've NEVER need to resort to aptitude |
| 08:28.56 | mzb- | so get off your high horse ectospasm |
| 08:28.57 | Bushmills | rypervenche: is there anything on your system you want to keep? |
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| 08:29.29 | ectospasm | mzb-: you're the one getting all hurt because I expressed an opinion. *YOU* fall off yours. |
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| 08:29.42 | mzb- | grow up little man! |
| 08:29.57 | ectospasm | grown. and done. |
| 08:30.14 | mah454 | How i can install group package with apt ? |
| 08:30.19 | mah454 | for example : |
| 08:30.19 | rypervenche | Bushmills: I've backed up my /home, but I suppose I'm not sure if there are config files or things that I should back up or not. Do I need the hidden files in my /home as well? |
| 08:30.30 | mah454 | apt-get install lamp ! |
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| 08:30.47 | Bushmills | rypervenche: if you want to keep your hidden files, you want to back them up |
| 08:30.51 | red2kic | rypervenche: Hidden files are per-user preferences and settings. You probably want to. |
| 08:30.55 | ectospasm | rypervenche: I would back up everything, but don't expect to restore everything to the Debian system. |
| 08:31.21 | ectospasm | rypervenche: it may not be guaranteed to be compatible with the Debian versions. |
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| 08:32.00 | mzb- | rypervenche, if you expect to BACKUP /home you _WILL_ need to include dotfiles ... so it will depend on HOW you did your backup |
| 08:32.10 | mzb- | 'rsync -a' works ;) |
| 08:32.12 | rypervenche | Well, I want to do a kind of fresh install because this is my first installation and I've screwed things up in the past. So I would like to take only what is necessary. so that would be /home and /etc? What exactly is in /etc? |
| 08:32.35 | Bushmills | system wide configuration files |
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| 08:32.45 | mah454 | How i can install group package in debian ? |
| 08:32.46 | ectospasm | rypervenche: /etc contains configuration files that don't fit anywhere else. |
| 08:32.47 | mah454 | apt-get install lamp ! |
| 08:32.49 | cahoot | not easily transplanted |
| 08:32.55 | mzb- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:33.30 | ectospasm | rypervenche: and not all files in Ubuntu /etc are valid for Debian /etc |
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| 08:34.27 | ectospasm | rypervenche: you should know what packages you've installed in Ubuntu, and (hopefully) know what configuration files you really need. If you have no clue, then backing them up would only serve posterity |
| 08:35.10 | ectospasm | I usually backup /etc just to be sure, but if you've never touched a file there there's probably little there that you'd need in Debian. |
| 08:35.15 | red2kic | No dropbox in debian? <_< |
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| 08:35.58 | ectospasm | rypervenche: one to be sure to back up is /etc/fstab, in case you want to keep your partition layout |
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| 08:36.24 | ectospasm | ...and LVM (if you set it up), but I suspect you wouldn't be asking these questions if you had |
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| 08:39.10 | user | Hello |
| 08:39.23 | user | Your torrents doesn't work :( |
| 08:40.00 | rypervenche | Ok, I guess I'll back it up, and if I need anything, I'll grab it later from the backup. Thanks :) |
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| 08:46.48 | f0x90 | hello |
| 08:47.00 | f0x90 | i switched to hdmi and everythign is off color |
| 08:47.06 | f0x90 | black is green |
| 08:47.33 | ectospasm | is the cable loose? |
| 08:47.54 | f0x90 | not at all |
| 08:47.59 | f0x90 | works normal in windows |
| 08:48.14 | ectospasm | f0x90: what kind of graphics card? |
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| 08:49.01 | f0x90 | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 760G [Radeon 3000] |
| 08:49.34 | rly | How can I see the local fingerprint of the running ssh server? |
| 08:49.37 | ectospasm | f0x90: are you using the ATI drivers, or the DFSG drivers? |
| 08:50.01 | f0x90 | whats the ebst way to check that ectospasm |
| 08:50.25 | f0x90 | because my system looks green right from the luks decryption preboot routine i think |
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| 08:51.00 | ectospasm | f0x90: I dunno. I try to stay away from ATI |
| 08:51.57 | f0x90 | driver used is radeon |
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| 08:52.47 | ectospasm | rly: if you've never connected before from this account on this system, you can type "ssh localhost" and it will tell you. Unfortunately I can't think of a better method. |
| 08:53.17 | ectospasm | none of the verbose options to ssh show the key fingerprint. |
| 08:53.47 | f0x90 | oh man ectospasm |
| 08:53.51 | f0x90 | i don't know what to do |
| 08:53.53 | f0x90 | i've googled |
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| 08:54.15 | f0x90 | this is so crappy |
| 08:55.00 | ectospasm | f0x90: if you didn't explicitly install the non-free drivers, they're probably not installed. Google for the ATI non-free drivers (if they exist, I can't remember if the open-sourced ATI drivers are mature enough for production) |
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| 08:55.16 | ectospasm | f0x90: and again, I may be talking more about the nvidia camp here |
| 08:56.07 | f0x90 | i think i did |
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| 08:56.12 | f0x90 | im using debian |
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| 08:56.16 | f0x90 | i did some kind of script |
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| 09:01.21 | ectospasm | f0x90: if you don't know what you did we can't figure it out for you. |
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| 09:01.42 | ectospasm | ...unless someone with an ATI adapter can chime in |
| 09:02.36 | f0x90 | i meant |
| 09:02.52 | f0x90 | nvm im installing the proprietary ati driver now but my ttys are green too |
| 09:02.58 | f0x90 | i don't think this will solve the issue |
| 09:03.12 | ectospasm | HDMI cable works OK in that other OS? |
| 09:03.33 | ectospasm | f0x90: is even the BIOS boot screen green? |
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| 09:04.03 | f0x90 | no |
| 09:04.06 | f0x90 | windows and cmos is fine |
| 09:04.35 | ectospasm | f0x90: maybe try wiping out your xorg.conf |
| 09:04.43 | ectospasm | ...or at least regenerate it |
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| 09:09.05 | voudras | if i ctrl^c while select and install is going for squeeze (apt-get upgrade basically) will i be able to change mirrors? |
| 09:09.31 | thewanderer1 | hi. I've got a MIT krb5 kdc and kadmin server configured (same machine), with all principals under 1 domain. do I need to do anything specific to add another domain, or can I just addprinc user@OTHERDOMAIN ? |
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| 09:09.59 | voudras | addprinc --help ? |
| 09:10.18 | voudras | i would guess there is a adddomain sorta command |
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| 09:31.28 | sinking_fish | hey there |
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| 09:34.21 | sinking_fish | i'm copying from a raid5 (mdadm) with five disks onto another single disk. when i run dstat i just get slow reading speed around 20mbyte/s. writing on the target disk is pretty fast according to dstat (~100mbyte/s). when i try to read from that raid with pv i get reading speeds around 150mbyte/s |
| 09:34.37 | sinking_fish | why is that copyingprogress that slow? |
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| 09:35.11 | sinking_fish | and how can i fasten that up of course? |
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| 10:03.10 | Selveste1 | hey |
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| 10:03.56 | Selveste1 | Is it possible to upgraqde from etch->squeesze or do I have to go etch->lenny lenny-squeeze.? |
| 10:05.22 | OutOfLine | Selveste1: i asked /msg dpkg etch->squeeze |
| 10:05.33 | OutOfLine | it says no |
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| 10:06.36 | Selveste1 | okay, thanks so I have to go etch->lenny lenny->squeeze then :) |
| 10:07.04 | OutOfLine | I think so |
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| 10:10.46 | ectospasm | Selveste1: I hope you have tested your backups. |
| 10:12.24 | Selveste1 | ectospasm: its a test system replicated from the real one, just to see if it's possible, it's the last server to runne etch, the rest is lenny and only the new installs a squeeze |
| 10:14.34 | deb|ws2k3 | hello guys i created a user in debian with a password but if i try to login with ftp.(using ftpd) but if i try to upload a file i get premission denied(i have chmod 755 on the directory) |
| 10:15.08 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: what is the ownership/group of the directory? |
| 10:15.13 | Gryllida | OK, what is grsecurity debian package name? |
| 10:15.41 | Gryllida | Is it 'gradm2'? |
| 10:16.05 | ectospasm | !tell Gryllida about grsecurity |
| 10:16.07 | deb|ws2k3 | its the home directory that i created with the user backup. i'm sorry dont know much about ownership/group |
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| 10:16.43 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: my guess is it's got a different UID. Check the output of "ls -l /home/<user>" |
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| 10:18.19 | deb|ws2k3 | ectospasm i get get : total 0 |
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| 10:18.43 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: oops, I meant "ls -ld /home/<user>" |
| 10:19.05 | deb|ws2k3 | drwxr-xr-x 2 34 users 4096 Apr 23 01:29 /home/backup |
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| 10:20.03 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: |
| 10:20.13 | deb|ws2k3 | thats my output i recieved |
| 10:20.17 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: "grep 34 /etc/passwd" |
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| 10:21.07 | deb|ws2k3 | thats the output i recieve |
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| 10:21.32 | thewanderer1 | how would I go about assigning each user who logs in (say, his bash or ssh-priv) their own cgroup, but with custom cpu units? |
| 10:21.36 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: brb |
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| 10:21.49 | deb|ws2k3 | yeah ofcrouse |
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| 10:21.58 | thewanderer1 | I don't know where I should implement this, to be honest - PAM doesn't sound like a great idea, and .bashrc is too easy to circumvent |
| 10:22.02 | ectospasm | sorry, got a phone call |
| 10:22.19 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: you don't have user 34 defined. |
| 10:22.21 | ilm | hi, i'm running a server on debian and i need to set up a ssh tunnel. is there some non-graphical ssh tunnel manager ? |
| 10:22.36 | ilm | that takes care of restarting the tunnel when connection is lost, logging the erros etc. |
| 10:22.45 | Bushmills | (which is strange, because it is one of the debian default system users) |
| 10:22.46 | lolcat | ilm: ssh? |
| 10:22.46 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: which means, the old UID on the old system where the backup came from was 34, but the new user has a different UID |
| 10:22.47 | ilm | i found the gnome ssh tunnel manager. but i dont have X installed |
| 10:22.51 | lolcat | ilm: autossh |
| 10:23.16 | ilm | thanks :) |
| 10:23.59 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: if you type "echo $UID" while logged into the machine via SSH (or direct console), you should see which UID you need to set it to. |
| 10:24.07 | Bushmills | ilm: consider to tunnel ssh - that way, reconnecting will simply continue the interrupted session |
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| 10:24.30 | Gryllida | ectospasm: ok |
| 10:24.31 | ilm | Bushmills: ? |
| 10:24.35 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: One quick way: chown -R <user> /home/<user> |
| 10:24.43 | ectospasm | Gryllida: note that I know nothing about grsecurity |
| 10:24.48 | deb|ws2k3 | do i need to be logged in as the user backup? |
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| 10:24.59 | ilm | does autossh store my password somewhere ? or should I configure password-less ssh ? |
| 10:25.32 | deb|ws2k3 | nice how i can upload again |
| 10:25.35 | Bushmills | ilm, say, your client reconnects because of change of ip address. with a tunneled ssh, your previous ssh session just continues, as if there had been only a temporary network congestion. |
| 10:26.05 | ectospasm | deb|ws2k3: the same way you've been trying should work |
| 10:26.16 | Bushmills | (means, it won't be ssh reconnecting, but the tunnel reconnects) |
| 10:26.19 | ilm | hmm, it is a tunnel from the server to some other server (fixed ip's) for buildbot. and I use ssh to tunnel it |
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| 10:26.35 | moele | whats a good fps to have with glxgears? |
| 10:26.47 | ectospasm | moele: a lot. |
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| 10:27.05 | moele | ectospasm, im getting about 12000fps atm |
| 10:27.05 | ectospasm | glxgears isn't a very good benchmark, hasn't been for some time |
| 10:27.07 | Bushmills | moele: anything at least as much as vertical video refresh rate :) |
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| 10:27.31 | ilm | Bushmills: I'm sorry, you lost me there :) but thanks for the advice, will google a bit further with what you said |
| 10:27.59 | deb|ws2k3 | ectospasm thanks |
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| 10:30.07 | Bushmills | ilm: i'm using openvpn as tunnel, for this purpose, to give you a name of a program - simplifies google search. |
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| 10:30.22 | ilm | ah |
| 10:30.28 | thewanderer1 | in PAM, upon login or SSH login, what permissions (UID/GID) does the "session" component run with? |
| 10:30.40 | Bushmills | though the benefits are more for using ssh interactively, less when ssh itself is used as tunnel |
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| 10:30.59 | ilm | ah like that. yes, i'm not using ssh to login to the console. just as a tunnel |
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| 10:31.16 | ilm | and well, ssh just works beautyfully |
| 10:32.06 | ilm | for vpn, I guess I would need to install a vpn server too on the receiving end, to which unfortunately i have no access too. but ssh is everywhere in linux land :) |
| 10:35.00 | moele | that |
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| 10:46.01 | ectospasm | ilm: which direction does the connection through the tunnel need to come from? You can do forward or reverse tunneling |
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| 10:47.02 | sjs205_ | Hello all, is there a simple way i can install a desktop env on debian but have it so that it is only invoked from the command line? |
| 10:47.25 | ectospasm | sjs205_: sure. |
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| 10:47.43 | sjs205_ | so when i log on it automatically boots to login prompt, then if i want the desktop I runa command for it |
| 10:47.49 | ectospasm | sjs205_: just don't run a display manager (like gdm, xdm, slim, etc.) |
| 10:47.55 | ectospasm | right |
| 10:48.05 | ectospasm | sjs205_: you may want to look for the command "startx" |
| 10:48.17 | ectospasm | .xsession and friends will be your friends. |
| 10:48.47 | Bushmills | sjs205_: for logging into console- or multiple X sessions, check out qingy |
| 10:48.52 | ectospasm | sjs205_: now, the actual mechanics of doing it are unknown to me, but it is possible. |
| 10:49.39 | Bushmills | sjs205_: that's a getty, with a selector what you want to login to. text console session, various X sessions. |
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| 10:50.20 | sjs205_ | ok cool.... mind you, thinking about it, even with it installed normally i'd just need to boot to runlevel 3 rather than 4 - i think that is the desktop runlevel right? |
| 10:50.48 | Bushmills | doesn't matter. 2 is i think the default, but 2..5 are all identical, to start with |
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| 10:51.09 | sjs205_ | I'll have a look at qingy... cheers Bushmills |
| 10:51.34 | sjs205_ | Bushmills, they are not identicle... 2 is single mode w/o network |
| 10:51.45 | Bushmills | sjs205_: then you're not running debian |
| 10:52.19 | sjs205_ | hmm... so what happens when you boot with the single option? |
| 10:52.46 | Bushmills | with your runlevel 2? no idea, it is your installation |
| 10:52.53 | sjs205_ | I always thought it booted into runlevel 2 and that doesn't have a desktop |
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| 10:54.32 | OutOfLine | sjs205_: there are distros that do things like that, but not Debian |
| 10:54.54 | OutOfLine | you still can configure your system to do what you want |
| 10:55.00 | sjs205_ | apologies Bushmills, i am confusing debian and fedora... |
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| 10:55.18 | sjs205_ | I am talking about my debian distro now though :) |
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| 10:56.00 | sjs205_ | So why doesn't debian utilise all of its runlevels... tis a nice system, why not use it to it's full extent... |
| 10:56.02 | sjs205_ | haha |
| 10:56.10 | sjs205_ | anyway, cheers guys... |
| 10:56.10 | pingfloyd | you can easily change that |
| 10:56.15 | ectospasm | runlevels are usually overkill IMO |
| 10:56.29 | pingfloyd | debian pretty much just has two by default that are different |
| 10:56.34 | Bushmills | because the maintainers don't press preferences on the users? |
| 10:56.37 | ectospasm | most people only need 0, 1, one of 2-5, and 6 |
| 10:56.46 | pingfloyd | rest is up to the admin to use for whatever |
| 10:56.51 | sjs205_ | I love the whole runlevel thing, esp using init 0 and init 6 to reboot or turn off system :) |
| 10:57.19 | ilm | ectospasm: server1 (running the ssh tunnel) needs to connect to server2 |
| 10:57.38 | ilm | server2 is the buildbot master, server1: buildbot slave. slave connects to master i think |
| 10:57.40 | ectospasm | ilm: and then server1 will send the connection through the tunnel to server2? |
| 10:57.45 | ilm | yep |
| 10:57.54 | sjs205_ | but yeah, i think i'll install the desktop, then play with init 2 so that when i boot into this desktop is not started... |
| 10:57.58 | ilm | server1 connects to localhost:port and that is forwarded to server2 |
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| 11:00.17 | ilm | though the tunnel works perfectly. just was annoyed as it disconnected once in a week or so (guess server2 reboots). brb |
| 11:00.17 | ectospasm | ilm: use "ssh -fN -L <port>:server2:<port> -l user server2 |
| 11:00.23 | vivanov | how to copy contents of a file to clipboard? smth easier then running $cat foo and then copying manually? |
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| 11:01.30 | poisonbit | aptitude show xclip |
| 11:01.42 | ilm | I use ssh -fNCL 9989:server1:9989 ilm@server2 atm |
| 11:01.57 | vivanov | poisonbit: thx :) |
| 11:02.00 | ilm | what's the difference with your command ? |
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| 11:02.08 | ilm | reverse/forward tunnel ? |
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| 11:02.45 | ilm | brb, will read it when i'm back |
| 11:04.19 | ectospasm | ilm: I messed up, I should have had "ssh -fN -L 9989:localhost:9989 -l ilm server2" |
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| 11:06.15 | spal | I want to see whether mrxvt is more popular or urxvt among Debian users? How can I see that? |
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| 11:07.22 | kripz | I'm having trouble updating my kernel, sub process error 1: http://pastebin.com/KLURfUGN |
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| 11:09.07 | Arrowmaster | spal: popcon.debian.org |
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| 11:11.55 | xand | of course, that shows how popular things are amongst people who choose to run popcon |
| 11:12.20 | spal | why isn't there any page for: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=rxvt-unicode-ml ? |
| 11:15.07 | Bushmills | spal: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=rxvt-unicode |
| 11:15.24 | spal | why does it not have a separate page for rxvt-unicode-ml? |
| 11:15.38 | Bushmills | because it is grouped with rxvt-unicode |
| 11:15.43 | spal | ok |
| 11:16.02 | spal | so indeed urxvt seems to be more popular than mrxvt? |
| 11:16.28 | spal | are mrxvt and urxvt both derived from rxvt or all the three are completely independent projects with no codebase in common? |
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| 11:17.56 | Bushmills | apt-file find urxvt |
| 11:18.43 | spal | no output |
| 11:19.45 | Bushmills | rxvt-unicode: /usr/bin/urxvt |
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| 11:34.53 | leafwiz | Hey, I have just been upgraded to lenny, I think.. The disk drives letters have been changed, so my md0 raid goes down. I have reassembled it, and it comes online. Only on reboot, it breaks. Even if in mdadm.conf the correct uids are listed.. |
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| 11:35.54 | leafwiz | I have tried marking the array as dirty, when reasseble it. Since my other array was fixed by this. Only it will not resync. |
| 11:36.09 | leafwiz | How can I make the array assemble at boot? |
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| 11:50.15 | Riviera | matt767676: Does the output look the same? |
| 11:51.24 | matt767676 | Riviera: no :D Sorry, I thought that are the number of processes selected the same. According to "ps -e | wc -l" and "ps -aux | wc -l" they are. |
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| 11:55.31 | unixp | i had to try installing a .sh file and i get: bash command start not found. ... what must i install? |
| 11:56.53 | Bushmills | unixp: the README file for that .sh file |
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| 12:10.15 | superlinux | hi. i am looking for equivalents to "testdisk"? |
| 12:10.35 | superlinux | please inform me of any. |
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| 12:17.01 | G0d-servant | how "http://security.debian.org/" is slow? |
| 12:17.02 | G0d-servant | i am doing update system but speed is slow. |
| 12:17.57 | G0d-servant | no any mirror for security updates? |
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| 12:25.59 | SparFux | Hi all. What happened to the xkbsel package? Or more specifically, how can I examine what happened to it. On my current sid, it isn't there anymore and the xkbsel I got is an obsolete /locally installed package. |
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| 12:29.39 | poisonbit | apt-cache policy xkbsel ? |
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| 12:30.44 | antihero_ | Howdy, using the new generated grub stuff, how would I go about increasing my terminal resolution to 1024x768 |
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| 12:34.18 | antihero_ | I don't have /boot/grub/menu.lst :S |
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| 12:34.46 | mETz | heya, I'm upgrading a machine from lenny to squeeze and although I updated both linux-image and udev before rebooting I'm now left without any working dhcp-networking |
| 12:35.18 | mETz | what to check for when dhclient prints out "Network is down"? mii-tool shows a link |
| 12:35.29 | tweek_ | if i want to bring up an ad-hoc wireless network on a machine without x, which tools should i look into? |
| 12:35.36 | tweek_ | cnetworkmanager? |
| 12:35.58 | mETz | what's also weird is that I have two NICs but ifconfig -a only shows an interrupt line on the first one (dhclient doesn't work on that one either) |
| 12:37.22 | antihero_ | How do I add the vga=773 line to the /etc/grub.d stuff, it's well confusing. |
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| 12:38.57 | SparFux | poisonbit: ok, even without aptitude, apt-cache policy xkbsel does not show from which repo xkbsel wasinstalled. |
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| 12:39.39 | SparFux | poisonbit: I wonder, why it's not in the repos anymore. xkbsel is the way to go xkb keyboard selection method, afaik. |
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| 12:42.44 | xingu | antihero_: possibly, /etc/default/grub: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ? |
| 12:43.34 | Bushmills | tweek_: there's wicd, which also has curses and scriptable front ends, if you're not into setting up the connection with iwconfig and wpa_supplicant |
| 12:44.51 | SparFux | antihero_: /boot/grub/menu.lst is for grub1 I guess. I bet you are running grub2 which is in package grub-pc in debian sid. This version uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg and this file in turn is generated by scripts. |
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| 12:45.51 | SparFux | antihero_: Yes, grub config is a bit confusing, I agree :-) As far as I remember, you have to put things into a file in /etc/grub.d and run update-grub as root. |
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| 12:49.07 | tweek_ | Bushmills: thanks, will look into that |
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| 12:51.04 | superlinux | hi. I'd love someone guide me to an alternative to the disk recovery tool "testdisk". any help is appreciated. |
| 12:51.21 | SparFux | antihero_: are you ready configuring grub? |
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| 12:52.01 | Bushmills | tweek_: O for setting up ad hoc network in wicd-curses |
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| 12:52.54 | superlinux | Bushmills, do you know any other equivalent to testdisk, my good friend? |
| 12:53.20 | antihero_ | SparFux: Okay, I added the vga=773 line in /etc/default/grub |
| 12:53.24 | antihero_ | it works fine |
| 12:53.30 | antihero_ | but says it's deprecated |
| 12:53.43 | Bushmills | superlinux: just to recover lost partitions? |
| 12:53.59 | superlinux | antihero_, it will slow down your boot up the "vga=" |
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| 12:54.33 | SparFux | antihero_: good. the configuration is complex, because it's very flexible. /boot/grub/grub.cfg is the main config file for grub, which is generated from /etc/grub.d/* scripts by running update-grub. If you change /etc/default/grub, which is a file sourced by the scripts in /etc/grub.d I think, then you need to run update-grub, too. |
| 12:54.47 | superlinux | Bushmills, no, to recover data from a reformated part by mistake . |
| 12:54.55 | antihero_ | and I have no idea how to get gfxpayload working, I saw some patch from 2009 that was to have GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD in /etc/default/grub but doing that doesnt seem to have affected anything |
| 12:55.16 | Bushmills | superlinux: why not restore from backup? |
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| 12:56.20 | superlinux | it's for a member on my arab forum, and he did a format to his home part by mistake |
| 12:56.32 | Bushmills | then restore from his backup |
| 12:56.38 | superlinux | he has no backup. |
| 12:56.53 | Bushmills | in that case, the data wasn't important. don't bother wasting time on that |
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| 12:57.20 | superlinux | Bushmills, it's really important. |
| 12:57.36 | Bushmills | no really important data isn't backupped |
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| 12:58.13 | cahoot | unless it's the first time one loses them |
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| 12:58.48 | mcbane_ | hi |
| 12:59.00 | superlinux | Bushmills, ok. no problem. but what if someone has lost his backup too somewhere, lets take it that far, what should anyone do? |
| 12:59.00 | mcbane_ | what is the default log daemon in squeeze? |
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| 12:59.06 | tweek_ | Bushmills: just to be pedantic, you can have data that you don't backup and still it may be important. we call that making a mistake. no reason not to help someone. |
| 12:59.39 | superlinux | tweek_, thanks for the support, mate |
| 12:59.53 | SparFux | superlinux: What was the exact problem the failed disk has? |
| 13:00.17 | Bushmills | tweek_: i have no alternative for restoring from backup in case of a recreated file system |
| 13:00.34 | Bushmills | "restore from backup" is the best help i can offer in that case |
| 13:01.11 | petemc | superlinux: ive had success with ontrack raw recovery before, its not free tho |
| 13:01.12 | superlinux | SparFux, just formatted a part thru a typo. imagine i typed sda2 instead of sda1 for example and pressed enter. |
| 13:01.47 | superlinux | petemc, ok. I'll see. do you have a link? |
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| 13:02.09 | ompaul | petemc: see the other land --- the ipv6 gag is there ;-) |
| 13:02.11 | petemc | no, but im sure its the first hit on google for ontrack |
| 13:02.37 | ompaul | is the partition information known? |
| 13:03.30 | superlinux | ok. i'll google |
| 13:03.46 | superlinux | Listens to cafe del mar albums |
| 13:03.48 | jacobw | is it possible to reset a package's configuration files without --purge? |
| 13:04.01 | jacobw | i.e. i don't want to download the packages again |
| 13:04.09 | cahoot | !confmiss |
| 13:04.10 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 13:04.15 | SparFux | superlinux: What kind of formatting? Did it take lots of time? Was is with error checking and if yes, with rw error checking? Of was it fast formatting? |
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| 13:04.50 | jacobw | excellent :) |
| 13:04.59 | jacobw | cheers cahoot |
| 13:04.59 | superlinux | SparFux, Ext4. I think it's quick formatting. I know that quick formatting does not harm too much |
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| 13:07.10 | pandaloun | hello world |
| 13:07.41 | babilen | pandaloun: (println "Hello pandaloun") |
| 13:07.47 | pandaloun | xD |
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| 13:08.15 | SparFux | superlinux: at least the data should still be there. But most likely the inode tables are all gone and this means, you have a puzzle of bizillion pieces and it's hard to put together. One strategy would be to determine, which parts the quick format wrote to and zero them out, then have a recovery tool search for the original fs. |
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| 13:08.58 | Wyzard | If the original fs was ext2/3/4 as well, it's likely that all its important structures were overwritten by new ones in the same places |
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| 13:09.30 | petemc | superlinux: have the person taken an image of the partition yet? |
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| 13:12.29 | Eagly | hi |
| 13:12.56 | ompaul | 'lo |
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| 13:13.14 | Eagly | how i can switch off framebuffer in debian install? |
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| 13:14.11 | Wyzard | Eagly: I think you can put fb=false on the boot options line |
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| 13:14.41 | Wyzard | That works when booting the installer, last I checked, but I'm not sure whether it works on an installed system |
| 13:14.56 | Wyzard | (but if you use it on the installer, it'll arrange for the installed system to not use the framebuffer) |
| 13:15.06 | hs1 | hi, DAE has problems to set full resolution with sandy bridge? |
| 13:15.40 | hs1 | I freshly installed debian squeeze 6.0.1, the KMS looks up but xrandr list only two resolution. |
| 13:15.53 | Eagly | now try |
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| 13:20.21 | Eagly | no, fb=false isn't solved the problem |
| 13:20.29 | Eagly | any idea? |
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| 13:22.25 | xand | hs1: right video drivers? |
| 13:22.47 | hs1 | the i915 module is loaded and the xserver package is installed |
| 13:23.00 | SparFux | superlinux: I don't know the program, but you may check ext3rminator which could maybe useful. I think if you just did the same formatting like before, the same inode size and everything, all important info on the disk to organize the data may be gone. Then only puting the puzzle pieces together manually is what is left for you. |
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| 13:23.23 | Eagly | I'm not sure about framebuffer but ubuntu netinstall running normal |
| 13:23.39 | SparFux | I don't find *any* reason, why xkbsel could be an obsolete package, which it is in my debian sid. :-\ |
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| 13:24.01 | superlinux | ok |
| 13:24.53 | petemc | SparFux: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xkbsel.html |
| 13:25.04 | SparFux | the only chance I can imagine is, finding the inode tables, but the new tables are in the way. So you would first have to zero them out. But I have no specific clue how you could easily do this. |
| 13:25.29 | ompaul | Eagly: not saying much but http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS |
| 13:25.42 | petemc | superlinux: its best to take an image of the partition and attempt recovery on that |
| 13:25.53 | superlinux | yes |
| 13:26.20 | superlinux | I am now just learning fro m you what should be done for the future |
| 13:26.42 | SparFux | petemc: omg, xkbsel is a very essential package, isn't it. And there's no maintainer for it. |
| 13:27.28 | hs1 | for some reason xorg is using vesa driver |
| 13:28.04 | hs1 | How can I force xorg to use certain driver? I notice xorg.cong is dissapeared in squeeze :| |
| 13:28.37 | SparFux | hs1: pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:29.01 | SparFux | hs1: I personally recreated an xorg.conf, because I like manually tweaking things. |
| 13:29.08 | babilen | !tell hs1 -about empty xorg.conf |
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| 13:29.14 | babilen | !tell hs1 -about xorg.conf.d |
| 13:29.29 | selbeimanti | is there any file system that is especially recommendable for ssd drives? |
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| 13:29.35 | hs1 | thanks |
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| 13:33.48 | hs1 | SparFux: http://pastebin.com/uS69044y |
| 13:34.58 | SparFux | hs1: no error at all. Are the drivers for your card installed? |
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| 13:35.36 | hs1 | lsmod returns i915 |
| 13:36.22 | hs1 | the package xserver-xorg-video-intel is intalled |
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| 13:36.35 | hs1 | no I will force xorg to use the i915 |
| 13:36.41 | hs1 | now I will force xorg to use the i915 |
| 13:36.56 | SparFux | Hey, perhaps I should try to go without any xorg.conf, too :-) |
| 13:37.25 | SparFux | hs1: yes, I'd create some config file for xorg and put the driver in there explicitely. |
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| 13:37.48 | SparFux | hs1: does dmesg give any errors? do you see the driver / device in cat /proc/interrupts ? |
| 13:38.21 | SparFux | What's an alternative for xkbsel anyway? |
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| 13:40.23 | hs1 | the dmesg looks ok. In proct/interrups i don't any references to i915 |
| 13:40.59 | SparFux | hs1: hm... I am not sure wether there has to be an irq assigned. But in my case, with nvidia chipset, it's the case. |
| 13:41.15 | SparFux | hs1: perhaps unload and load the module again and check bottom of dmesg? |
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| 13:42.37 | hs1 | ok, i will try that too. |
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| 13:43.12 | SparFux | hs1: if there is no output, I think the module gets loaded, but does not find any hardware. |
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| 13:43.28 | SparFux | hs1: and maybe try lspci -vvv and look which kind of hardware there is. |
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| 13:47.21 | ompaul | superlinux: testdisk may be useful, ask yourself this, why do you have so many problems? |
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| 13:48.08 | hs1 | maybe a progress, the screen flicker with Driver "intel" option, I gotta to rescue the system. |
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| 14:08.41 | d1b | !moo |
| 14:08.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 14:08.45 | d1b | thanks dpkg :P |
| 14:08.50 | d1b | i needed a test music file |
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| 14:11.17 | the3 | export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 causes this error: bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): No such file or directory |
| 14:11.19 | the3 | help! |
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| 15:22.04 | zero_ | hello, how can i change my grub's first OS? |
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| 15:23.44 | SYQO | how to disable auth logging? |
| 15:24.17 | d1b | SYQO: why would you want that ;P |
| 15:24.21 | SYQO | :D |
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| 15:24.45 | SYQO | hmm, can i mask sucess ip from logs? |
| 15:24.54 | d1b | SYQO: the question is why |
| 15:25.02 | d1b | you could just disable syslog and not log... |
| 15:25.24 | zero_ | i have grub 2 |
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| 15:26.02 | Th3DarKZi0N | zero_ in the grubs configuration file? |
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| 15:28.16 | zero_ | <Th3DarKZi0N> i want to change the boot order |
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| 15:29.51 | Th3DarKZi0N | open /boot/grub/grub.cfg with admin access |
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| 15:31.02 | zero_ | yes.. and? |
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| 15:32.09 | Th3DarKZi0N | wait.. |
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| 15:32.13 | zero_ | <Th3DarKZi0N> ok.... |
| 15:32.45 | Th3DarKZi0N | you want to change default entry? |
| 15:33.09 | zero_ | i want to boot ubuntu first and not debian |
| 15:33.16 | Th3DarKZi0N | ah ok |
| 15:33.21 | Th3DarKZi0N | find GRUB_DEFAULT in grub.cfg |
| 15:33.56 | antihero_ | Hi, I'm using a Toshiba Portege R100, without a GUI, but the screen brightness is too low. How do I adjust the command line screen brightness? |
| 15:34.01 | Th3DarKZi0N | you must change entry number |
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| 15:35.46 | zero_ | i cant find it.. i have grub 2 |
| 15:36.40 | zero_ | <Th3DarKZi0N>only set default="0" |
| 15:36.57 | Th3DarKZi0N | GRUB_DEFAULT can not find? |
| 15:37.07 | Th3DarKZi0N | ah ok |
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| 15:37.12 | zero_ | yep... |
| 15:37.38 | Th3DarKZi0N | ok, chage it |
| 15:37.46 | Th3DarKZi0N | change* |
| 15:38.15 | zero_ | the set default="0" ? |
| 15:39.06 | Th3DarKZi0N | yep |
| 15:39.15 | Th3DarKZi0N | see this |
| 15:39.17 | Th3DarKZi0N | http://grub.enbug.org/grub.cfg |
| 15:39.31 | zero_ | in the begining it says # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE |
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| 15:40.06 | Th3DarKZi0N | yes, because you can generate grub.cfg with grub-mkconfig |
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| 15:40.58 | zero_ | <Th3DarKZi0N>but my file isn't like this |
| 15:41.19 | antihero_ | Hi, I'm using a Toshiba Portege R100, without a GUI, but the screen brightness is too low. How do I adjust the command line screen brightness? |
| 15:41.22 | jhutchins_lt | zero_: Edit /etc/default/grub |
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| 15:43.38 | Th3DarKZi0N | <jhutchins_lt> have reason |
| 15:44.04 | Bushmills | zero_, edit /etc/default/grub |
| 15:44.21 | jhutchins_lt | zero_: Then run update-grub |
| 15:44.21 | Bushmills | ehm .. as jhutchins_lt said |
| 15:44.34 | zero_ | yes i put defult =2 now updating, thank you a lot |
| 15:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | Th3DarKZi0N: Do you actually run Debian? |
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| 15:45.53 | Bushmills | or do you simply ignore that /boot/grub/grub.cfg isn't meant for editing? |
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| 15:46.54 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Given that Th3DarKZi0N is using mIRC... |
| 15:46.55 | Th3DarKZi0N | currently no ... 6 months ago I have installed, but I had grub 2 alone for a month :$ |
| 15:47.19 | Th3DarKZi0N | yeah, im on windows actually, work reason |
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| 15:48.14 | Bushmills | thought windows was mainly used for gaming |
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| 15:48.58 | Th3DarKZi0N | and fools users... xD |
| 15:49.18 | Iridos | thought windows was mainly used for swearing at |
| 15:49.21 | thewanderer1 | guys, a PC here with Athlon64 3500+ breaks randomly with powernow_k8 loaded on Squeeze... without the module, it works quite stable |
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| 15:49.42 | Th3DarKZi0N | in my case, I am a .NET programmer... and my clients are windows users |
| 15:49.49 | optraz | i have a 64bit cpu, that is i3, what arch should i install ? |
| 15:50.02 | thewanderer1 | optraz: amd64 |
| 15:50.06 | Bushmills | !amd64 |
| 15:50.06 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 15:50.46 | SYQO | !why amd64 |
| 15:50.46 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 15:50.53 | optraz | ok.. |
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| 15:51.54 | jhutchins_lt | optraz: You can also install i386/i686, which has some slightly better code for things like Adobe flash. |
| 15:51.54 | optraz | i got from this site, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:51.57 | optraz | cant install.. |
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| 15:52.21 | Iridos | I could have ansered that... except for wondering what i3 is... ist it possible that intel naming got a bit very confusing? |
| 15:52.27 | optraz | it's only i386 and amd64 in the download page |
| 15:52.29 | Iridos | Clarkdale? Arrendale? |
| 15:52.30 | Bushmills | "build from sid" ... |
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| 15:52.43 | Bushmills | you don't want that. you want stable |
| 15:52.45 | jhutchins_lt | optraz: That is the testing version, if you intend this system to be for regular use you want squeeze/stable, not wheezy/testing. |
| 15:52.54 | optraz | yes, i want wheezy |
| 15:53.01 | jhutchins_lt | optraz: That version is for testing and developent |
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| 15:53.05 | mengu_ | hi. we have just installed debian. is there anything we should do so we can install packages in the repositories? |
| 15:53.07 | optraz | yes, i want |
| 15:53.18 | optraz | i want wheezy |
| 15:53.20 | mengu_ | because apt-get install nginx says nothing found |
| 15:53.38 | Bushmills | optraz: install stable. if you really want wheezy, upgrade to testing from there |
| 15:53.44 | Leoneof | mengu_: sudo apt-get update |
| 15:53.54 | mengu_ | Leoneof: i've done that |
| 15:53.57 | Iridos | mengu_, that's in main... "aptitude update"? |
| 15:54.03 | optraz | Bushmills: and change line by line in sourcest.list? |
| 15:54.12 | optraz | that's trouble .. why not just get the testing iso... |
| 15:54.12 | Iridos | !sources.list |
| 15:54.12 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:54.33 | Iridos | mengu_, ^^^ |
| 15:54.34 | Bushmills | optraz: because the testing installer seems to be flakey right now. several people having had problems with it |
| 15:54.43 | optraz | i seee |
| 15:54.46 | optraz | nvm |
| 15:54.49 | Iridos | you must be missing the "main" repository |
| 15:54.49 | optraz | i will run sha1sum |
| 15:54.50 | optraz | on the instlaler |
| 15:54.58 | optraz | and check if it is related to my download |
| 15:54.58 | jhutchins_lt | optraz: If you're working on testing, you should find the reason the installer fails and report it. |
| 15:55.08 | mengu_ | Iridos: http://pastie.org/private/h1q9ozrfgbbufdxzn3cbq |
| 15:55.25 | optraz | Iridos: what main repo? im download from main repo... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:55.40 | mengu_ | o_O |
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| 15:56.05 | Bushmills | optraz: "build from sid" .. sid is not testing. sid is unstable |
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| 15:56.08 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 15:56.08 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 15:56.41 | optraz | Bushmills: i want that. since when i mentioned i want sid? |
| 15:56.45 | imganquan | mengu_: try another repository? |
| 15:56.46 | optraz | i said i want wheezy |
| 15:56.59 | Bushmills | optraz: since you pasted that link |
| 15:57.13 | mengu_ | damn! |
| 15:57.23 | mengu_ | resource was not there lol |
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| 15:57.50 | optraz | Bushmills: what link |
| 15:58.25 | zero_ | it' me again! i have sound (can hear the "dup" of log in screen) but cant play music |
| 15:59.01 | Bushmills | "(17:51:57) optraz: cant install.." "(17:54:34) Bushmills: optraz: because the testing installer seems to be flakey right now." |
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| 15:59.25 | Bushmills | "(17:53:37) Bushmills: optraz: install stable. if you really want wheezy, upgrade to testing from there" |
| 16:00.03 | optraz | Bushmills: again.. since when i said or my link give u i want sid? |
| 16:00.03 | Bushmills | zero_: learn an instrument, then you can play music |
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| 16:00.16 | jelly-home | groan |
| 16:00.17 | zero_ | <Bushmills>lol, i solved it |
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| 16:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Actually, if he's going to work on testing, he should determine why the installer is failing and report it. |
| 16:00.31 | Bushmills | optraz: care to open the link you posted, and read the first line? |
| 16:00.33 | zero_ | it is sthg strange when i ask for help i solve my problem |
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| 16:00.54 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: you're right. |
| 16:01.19 | Bushmills | "(17:51:57) optraz: cant install.." figure out why, and report the problem |
| 16:01.29 | optraz | NO, it does not say it is sid. |
| 16:01.32 | optraz | it said it is wheezy |
| 16:01.38 | optraz | are you drunk? |
| 16:02.37 | SYQO | (17:24) <d1b> you could just disable syslog and not log... | How? |
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| 16:03.04 | Bushmills | optraz: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1303574567345251523d.png |
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| 16:03.24 | Bushmills | wasn't it the installer what gave you problems? and not just you? |
| 16:03.25 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, Maylaysia. |
| 16:03.34 | Iridos | mengu_, that wasn't your /etc/apt/sources.list - but anyway you seem to have some type of main. try one of the official repositories, as shown in the factoid above ( or "/msg dpkg sources.list" to have dpkg tell it to you again) |
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| 16:03.53 | debian-ar500 | Hello. What is the usual procedure to install Wireless on Debian? It seems that in the newer kernels, this would be taken care of -- swiftly. |
| 16:04.31 | mengu_ | Iridos: no problemz now |
| 16:04.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nginx |
| 16:04.35 | mengu_ | i've added the main repo |
| 16:04.36 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; wheezy: 0.8.54-3; sid: 0.8.54-4; sid: 1.0.0-2 |
| 16:04.39 | mengu_ | and got everything |
| 16:04.41 | debian-ar500 | Also, the kernel is 2.6.32.5.686 -- Do I update the kernel or I have to figure out how to fix the wireless part? (I'm stumped!) |
| 16:04.47 | optraz | Bushmills: what |
| 16:05.17 | Bushmills | optraz: it's your problem, not mine. do what you want. |
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| 16:05.43 | optraz | Bushmills: true. |
| 16:05.48 | optraz | just want to check what's wrong. |
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| 16:08.25 | jelly-home | can LVM do synchronized snapshots of multiple LVs? |
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| 16:09.34 | jelly-home | I have two LVs that should get their backup image taken at the same time |
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| 16:10.14 | debian-ar500 | jelly-home: #lvm is probably the best channel to ask. Just saying. :) |
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| 16:13.58 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 16:14.11 | ZenWalker | the kernel on testing is 100 % free ? |
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| 16:15.13 | jelly-home | no additives? |
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| 16:19.46 | optraz | well again, kernel panic |
| 16:19.50 | optraz | checked sha1sum |
| 16:19.52 | optraz | return ok |
| 16:19.59 | optraz | something is wrong on the wheezy installer. |
| 16:20.10 | GammaG | im running debian 6, im trying to find a good resource other than the manual, because i cant even get google to show how to rebuild a kernel so any users that aren't sudo, cannot see other processes, and cannot do anything outside their home directory |
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| 16:21.58 | jelly-home | GammaG: that goal cannot be accomplished by a mere kernel rebuild, it's more complex than that |
| 16:22.16 | GammaG | im running a place where only I can afford this debian server, want to give my whole dorm area of guys and finally some girls shell access, but i dont want them to be able to run anything but like compile an eggdrop or a bnc |
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| 16:22.59 | GammaG | in freebsd i change 1 line in sysctl.conf, yet debian i gotta go through a whole mess just so when they type "top" they only see their processes |
| 16:23.01 | cobra-the-joker | hey ther every one .... i want to install a newer version of pidgin ... how can i ? |
| 16:23.23 | optraz | apt-getinstall pidgin? |
| 16:23.30 | optraz | dpkg -i pidgin? |
| 16:23.30 | dpkg | removes a lung from optraz and replaces it with pidgin |
| 16:23.36 | optraz | LoL |
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| 16:24.22 | Iridos | dunno, then perhaps you should use freebsd? |
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| 16:24.38 | jelly-home | GammaG: you could go for a virtualization solution like openvz and give each their own vz environment; altenatively you could use the grsecurity patchset which provides a number of security features, limits on process viewing being one |
| 16:25.32 | cobra-the-joker | optraz , i have pidgin ... but its 2.7.3 ... i want a newer one |
| 16:25.46 | optraz | get the deb file and install using dpkg |
| 16:25.47 | optraz | ? |
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| 16:25.52 | optraz | that's not possible? |
| 16:25.53 | Iridos | judd, versions pidgin |
| 16:25.54 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.11-1; wheezy: 2.7.11-1 |
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| 16:26.02 | jelly-home | GammaG: but grsecurity won't stop them from perusing normal unix permissions they have -- you'd need to do more work than just install a grsecurity-patched kernel |
| 16:26.08 | GammaG | this server is at a datacenter jelly-home |
| 16:26.20 | Iridos | cobra-the-joker, a newer version that what |
| 16:26.20 | jelly-home | GammaG: how is that relevant |
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| 16:26.36 | optraz | cobra-the-joker: should not be that difficult yes? |
| 16:26.53 | GammaG | i need to research grsecurity then |
| 16:27.06 | cobra-the-joker | Iridos: any version behind that because of huge bug list and no file tranfer in yahoo which i use a lot |
| 16:27.16 | cobra-the-joker | optraz: where i can find that deb package anyway ? |
| 16:27.19 | Iridos | behind _what_ |
| 16:27.24 | cobra-the-joker | 2.7.3 * |
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| 16:27.59 | Iridos | also, it'd be "after", methinks |
| 16:28.15 | optraz | cobra-the-joker: you must be kidding me.. you know what version you want and have you try google with the version you want? |
| 16:28.27 | Iridos | !tell cobra-the-joker -about ssb |
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| 16:28.29 | GammaG | jelly-home, do you know of a good guide for grsecurity |
| 16:28.52 | GammaG | im a bsd guy , so i am not up to snuff when it comes to debian |
| 16:29.01 | Iridos | !grsecurity |
| 16:29.01 | dpkg | grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply. See also <kernel-package>, Debian bug #601113. http://www.grsecurity.net/ #grsecurity on irc.oftc.net, ##grsecurity on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:29.05 | jelly-home | GammaG: not really, no |
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| 16:29.38 | Iridos | jelly-home, well, I guess README.Debian should be a good start |
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| 16:29.59 | jelly-home | negative, the package in debian is useless and way too old |
| 16:30.21 | Iridos | should work with the squeeze kernel, though... |
| 16:30.26 | Iridos | else it should have been removed |
| 16:30.43 | jelly-home | I agree with the last point |
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| 16:31.24 | jelly-home | don't even bother trying making that one work; use a vanilla kernel and latest grsec patch to begin with |
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| 16:34.03 | jhutchins_lt | optraz: It would probably be a good idea to check the stable installer and see if it has the same problem. |
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| 16:36.28 | infinity0 | what's wrong with the bugtracker? |
| 16:36.37 | infinity0 | reportbug can't contact it and my mails are getting bounced? |
| 16:37.01 | lusotux | grsec rulez on debian |
| 16:37.01 | lusotux | :D |
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| 16:37.26 | romel | hi guys. I downloaded package's source with 'apt-get source' and now I want to override the default compile options. Where can I change them? After that I want to build the .deb package and install it. |
| 16:37.39 | infinity0 | romel: debian/rules |
| 16:37.43 | romel | thanks |
| 16:37.52 | infinity0 | romel: read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ for more details |
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| 16:38.18 | romel | sure, I'll read it, but now I'm in a hurry, so haven't enough time for reading :) |
| 16:38.36 | infinity0 | right ok, well if you do anything more complicated than just changing compile flags, that's where to look :) |
| 16:39.07 | romel | okay, thank you one more time, infinity0 |
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| 16:44.40 | infinity0 | oh nvmd, my mail was getting bounced because i was sending to NNN@ and NNN had been archived |
| 16:46.12 | Iridos | romel, don't forget to increase version number, else packages from the repo will have precedence |
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| 16:48.30 | infinity0 | romel: you can do that with "dch -i" or "dch -n" |
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| 16:51.18 | babilen | !tell romel -about package recompile |
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| 16:59.11 | romel | babilen: thanks. But the problem is that i want build package from lenny on the squeeze and I can't specify target-release for build-dep, so it still tries to resolve broken dependencies :( |
| 16:59.39 | babilen | !ssb |
| 16:59.39 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:59.44 | jhutchins_lt | romel: What package? |
| 16:59.46 | romel | the package is already installed with 'apt-get -t lenny install php5' |
| 17:00.01 | romel | now I need to recompile it with libexpat support |
| 17:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | oh, geez. php. The problem is that people on lenny want 5.3, and people on squeeze want 5.2, because the PHP devlopers are idiots and their code is not cross-version compatible, |
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| 17:01.06 | romel | that's right, jhutchins_lt :) |
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| 17:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | romel: Go give whoever packages whatever php crud you're trying to use hell and get them to release a 5.3 compatible version. |
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| 17:01.27 | jhutchins_lt | romel: That or run lenny. |
| 17:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | romel: There may be web guides to doing this, but it's a major pain in the, er, neck. |
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| 17:10.12 | romel | so there's no way to tell apt-get to build dependencies for package from specified release? |
| 17:10.51 | romel | like I did it with 'apt-get install', so then build the package and install it with dpkg |
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| 17:12.41 | simonlnu | you can get the build-deps manually, like say apt-get install foo=3.3.3-1 bar=1.7-2 [etc.] |
| 17:13.09 | simonlnu | php is such a pita |
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| 17:16.14 | jhutchins_lt | All the modules have to match too. |
| 17:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | !downgrade |
| 17:16.41 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:17.29 | swampy | Hi, I've compiled a kernel based on the debian 2.6.32 sources using the deb-pkg target, however the resultant /lib/modules/... is 1.4 gigabytes. For example ac.ko is 212KB while the stock provided one is ~8KB, how do I go about creating smaller modules? |
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| 17:18.47 | Iridos | strip? |
| 17:18.51 | cahoot | must be some sort of record |
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| 17:20.31 | swampy | Iridos: stock ones are not stripped btw |
| 17:20.41 | Iridos | still bit much... linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg is under half a gig |
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| 17:31.26 | selbeimanti | hi, i have a kernel panic when trying to boot a debian install partition that i put onto an ssd drive (something about "not syncing: attempted to kill init". is this more likely from the image, or from the ssd (i've never used it before) ? |
| 17:31.54 | selbeimanti | some websites say a similar error could be due to faulty ram, but i exchanged it, and it's the same. |
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| 17:36.38 | Danic | Does debian log something when cron is executed. I think something is wrong with cron. |
| 17:37.42 | petemc | Danic: yes, should be in syslog |
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| 17:38.59 | Danic | thx |
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| 17:41.19 | ksx4system | can I safely save my scripts in /opt/anything? |
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| 17:48.00 | Danic | yes |
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| 17:48.28 | jmcantrell | i don't have a debian machine in front of me. can someone please pastebin their /etc/mime.types file for me? :) |
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| 17:50.22 | bzed | jmcantrell: http://devel.recluse.de/~bzed/.publish/2011-04-23-j4AV4AdVXTE/mime.types |
| 17:50.45 | jmcantrell | bzed: thanks! :) |
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| 17:57.24 | dr_traktor | can someone help me with configuring dante-server? |
| 17:58.28 | Iridos | your mom |
| 17:59.00 | thewanderer1 | I've got a host which doesn't allow me to log onto via SSH... it closes the connection right after printing motd and lastlog |
| 17:59.32 | Iridos | faulty .bashrc can do that |
| 17:59.44 | thewanderer1 | on 2 users? |
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| 18:00.04 | Iridos | I think full disk can only give you that for logging in via X... |
| 18:00.12 | Iridos | because .Xauthority can't be stored |
| 18:00.27 | thewanderer1 | no X here |
| 18:00.48 | Iridos | just listing potential causes |
| 18:00.50 | thewanderer1 | but hey, there are some interesting failures indeed |
| 18:00.54 | thewanderer1 | reboot... |
| 18:01.05 | dr_traktor | What internal ip address belongs to the main address of a host? |
| 18:01.12 | thewanderer1 | /lib/security/pam_limits.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory this is what catches my eye :P |
| 18:01.25 | Iridos | you would see the same if root temporarily blocked access for regular users, I think |
| 18:01.31 | Iridos | heh |
| 18:01.33 | Iridos | in deed |
| 18:02.20 | thewanderer1 | I'll see how it goes after a reboot :P |
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| 18:04.07 | thewanderer1 | okay, it seems to be working now... wonder what set the funny limits :D |
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| 18:06.59 | dclarke | this is a somewhat OT question. I am running Debian Squeeze on an older Sun workstation and I need better performance. Desperately. Which should I shop for ? A Intel Core i7 system or AMD Opteron or what is best in the opinion of the gurus? hint: I need VMware Workstation to run flawlessly on this |
| 18:09.01 | bzed | dclarke: debian works well on both. whatever you prefer is up to your taste, how much you want to spend and what you need. |
| 18:09.09 | simonlnu | the one that supports virtualisation better? |
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| 18:09.45 | thewanderer1 | dclarke: I find that i3 is enough for me to run quite a few VMs in KVM... even Athlon64 X2 can run 2 or 3! no need for an overkill... also, Xeon might be a better choice than Core i7 for workstation (ECC memory) |
| 18:10.03 | bzed | i7 needs less power... |
| 18:10.04 | thewanderer1 | (I haven't tested recent Opterons so I can't really tell) |
| 18:10.22 | jelly-home | I didn't even know amd still used the Opteron brand |
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| 18:10.47 | thewanderer1 | anyway, how many VMs do you expect to run? 10? 50? |
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| 18:11.21 | dclarke | I am running an Opteron now |
| 18:11.31 | jelly-home | dclarke: a previous generation i7 should work well with squeeze; a sandybridge probably less so |
| 18:11.33 | dclarke | it is very nice .. but 5 years old, no virtualization support |
| 18:11.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I say go for 1156 i7 or 1156 Xeon (X3440 is the most cost-effective) |
| 18:12.00 | dclarke | I'd rather spend a little money .. $2000 or so and get a nice machine with NVidia Quadro graphis hdmi and such |
| 18:12.20 | dclarke | but .. stability is mnost critical |
| 18:12.40 | dclarke | see http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do;HHOJSID=lGv4NzJFNyQYLwNYvTWPbrLvSTYn1xDJ0l3XF8SzGgvG5hW8w27p!244312199?storeName=computer_store&landing=desktops&a1=Category&v1=High+performance&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/desktops/High_performance |
| 18:12.59 | dclarke | HP Pavilion Elite HPE-590t series <-- seems to have Intel i7 |
| 18:13.13 | dclarke | six core .. which it plenty .. but no dual socket option seems to be around |
| 18:13.17 | simonlnu | http://tinyurl.com/3cvyj53 |
| 18:13.20 | thewanderer1 | bleh @ home-grade glossy "desktops" - assemble your own |
| 18:13.32 | jelly-home | spent $500 on an 1156 i3 machine and is rather content |
| 18:13.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah, same |
| 18:13.43 | dclarke | well ... I have done that also but have much beetter success with a warranty |
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| 18:13.54 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and spent expensive time investigating and assembling hardware? |
| 18:14.10 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: no, chose the first at a reasonable price |
| 18:14.10 | dclarke | I'm not a PC guy .. I spend my life in Sparc servers so I have ot go with what I trust .. and I do not trust my self to built a "stable" PC |
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| 18:15.15 | dclarke | maybe .. I should just go buy a cool motherboard .. and fill it with parts .. that may work |
| 18:15.18 | thewanderer1 | dclarke: find a computer shop that will assemble the machine for you and give you warranty, and put in a dual-socket 1366 Intel mobo, a CPU (Xeon E5506 or so) and work from there |
| 18:15.42 | dclarke | thewanderer1: thanks .. that was what I was *just* thinking |
| 18:15.49 | thewanderer1 | technically a server, but who cares when you put in a GPU (look for 16x PCIe though) |
| 18:15.52 | dclarke | the trick is to pick the mobo first |
| 18:16.01 | thewanderer1 | oh, and don't go for ASUS "server" boards, they suck :P |
| 18:16.19 | mohamed-ragab | How can run script php in terminal ?? |
| 18:17.04 | thewanderer1 | mohamed-ragab: php5 -f /path/to/file.php (you need php5-cli for this) |
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| 18:18.01 | thewanderer1 | ok, something really strange is happening to the memory |
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| 18:18.49 | dclarke | thinks he will keep looking at name brand HP stuff |
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| 18:20.06 | thewanderer1 | PAM: pam_open_session(): Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session fun fun fun :) |
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| 18:24.07 | thewanderer1 | haaa. so it was a PAM module I thought should be required, but it works better as "optional" instead... |
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| 18:34.20 | lapsusbrutus | hddtemp /dev/sd? shows that 2 of 4 hds in a server are close to 50 degrees.. You think I should I install some more fans? |
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| 18:35.00 | jelly-home | lapsusbrutus: or place them for more flow above and around the HDDs |
| 18:35.21 | jelly-home | lapsusbrutus: what's the ambient temperature? |
| 18:35.57 | Mirrakor | lapsusbrutus: yeah, google airflow concepts (if you're not already familiar with this) :) |
| 18:36.09 | lapsusbrutus | ok, so 50 is generally a bit too high? ambient is now about 22 |
| 18:36.37 | Mirrakor | I think 50 is ok, let me check if I get mine |
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| 18:36.50 | jelly-home | for 24/7 usage I'd try to keep them at 45°C |
| 18:37.30 | jelly-home | /dev/sda: SAMSUNG HD204UI: 43°C |
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| 18:37.31 | jelly-home | /dev/sdb: WDC WD20EARS-00J99B0: 43°C |
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| 18:37.45 | thewanderer1 | mine are below 40... and the printer (/dev/sdc) doesn't want to talk to me :P |
| 18:38.01 | jelly-home | laptop disks can deal with more. |
| 18:38.12 | jelly-home | /dev/sdc: ST9320423AS: 48°C |
| 18:38.30 | thewanderer1 | guys, any ideas how to check what cgroup a process is in? |
| 18:38.33 | nvteighen | hi, I want to start testing Wheezy and after changing sources.list, aptitude dist-upgrade tells me that in order to resolve conflicts I have to delete a copule of critical packages: e.g. xserver-xorg-video-all. Is there a better way to upgrade? I hear some recommend apt-get for this. Thanks |
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| 18:39.08 | thewanderer1 | nvteighen: well, X11 is hardly critical if you can use the console :) |
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| 18:39.15 | Mirrakor | lapsusbrutus: what are you doing atm? Just started the PC or have you been playing/compiling/... for a while? |
| 18:39.25 | lapsusbrutus | ok, thanks for superb advice guys :) Ill try fixing it with existing airflow in cabinet, if I fail, ill start a few *noisy* fans.. |
| 18:39.40 | nvteighen | thewanderer1: ok, yes, but if I can do this with less trouble, the better |
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| 18:39.55 | thewanderer1 | nvteighen: try apt-get and see what it suggests! |
| 18:40.07 | jelly-home | nvteighen: video-all is not _that_ important if you make sure the actual driver you're using is still installed |
| 18:40.08 | epsilon | lapsusbrutus: there's actually simple rule... if you can't touch a component cause of pain caused by heat, it's overheated. |
| 18:40.33 | epsilon | so 50° is where unhealthy part for hardware starts |
| 18:40.34 | lapsusbrutus | Mirrakor: Right now server is pretty much idle'ing.. Installing a few packages and such. |
| 18:40.41 | nvteighen | jelly-home: that's what I was thinking. xserver-xorg-video-intel wouldn't be removed, apparently |
| 18:40.47 | epsilon | (at least for harddisk) |
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| 18:41.11 | Mirrakor | lapsusbrutus: hm... well then it could be a bit too warm if you let it run for a long period |
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| 18:41.47 | lapsusbrutus | reading up on airflow concepts |
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| 18:43.11 | Mirrakor | (air should come in, on one side and leave it on the other side taking the warmth with it :) (i.e. from bottom front to the top back) |
| 18:43.50 | Diytto | I have this computer that i just cleaned off and put back together, but when i turn it on the fan only does 1 rotation and the computer does nothing except turn on the green light |
| 18:44.00 | thewanderer1 | Diytto: ##hardware |
| 18:44.08 | Diytto | Orly |
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| 18:44.38 | Diytto | Thx |
| 18:45.00 | nvteighen | thewanderer1: well, apt-get shows no conflicts |
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| 18:46.55 | HackeMate | hi, what software can i use to edit m3p |
| 18:46.56 | HackeMate | mp3 |
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| 18:48.08 | dr_traktor | How can I grab a command from my command history quickly that begins with 'something' |
| 18:48.50 | MrFrood | HackeMate: care to exspand your question? |
| 18:49.04 | poisonbit | dr_traktor, ctrl + r start typing, enter |
| 18:49.37 | dr_traktor | poisonbit: awesome |
| 18:49.44 | lapsusbrutus | Mirrakor: you happen to know how to control fans? Its got a few fans installed, but I discnonected them because of serious noisyness.. Im sure it would be better if I make them work on half speed.. They are connected to the powerconnectors inside cabinet.. I guess Id have to lower voltage some way? |
| 18:49.49 | HackeMate | MrFrood: I mean edit mp3 like a super dj |
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| 18:49.56 | HackeMate | I found onecalled sweep |
| 18:50.04 | HackeMate | but i dont know if there is something more advanced |
| 18:50.11 | thewanderer1 | anyone able to help with libcgroup, or using it at all with any success? always fails for me |
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| 18:51.38 | MrFrood | HackeMate: try ardour |
| 18:52.01 | thewanderer1 | I only wonder what error code 50016 is and why it's triggered with every operation... |
| 18:52.04 | HackeMate | ok thanks, downloading |
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| 18:55.29 | NotMe | how to detect nmap scan? |
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| 18:55.41 | NotMe | of my host |
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| 18:57.36 | lapsusbrutus | NotMe: Im just guessing now, but could be in iptables logs if set to log things? I dont know really |
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| 18:58.08 | NotMe | ok |
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| 18:58.46 | Mirrakor | lapsusbrutus: sorry, I don't know a software solution for linux (have never looked for it, so there might exist some), I usualy prefer a hardware solution where you plug a resistor between the fan and the power adapter on the motherboard |
| 18:59.19 | Mirrakor | but there surely is a fan control software for linux, one just has to find it :D |
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| 18:59.22 | thewanderer1 | NotMe: try SNORT |
| 19:00.04 | NotMe | i will |
| 19:00.06 | NotMe | tnx |
| 19:00.18 | lapsusbrutus | Mirrakor: Ok, I think I happen to have a "changable resistor" whatever its called resistor somewhere, thanks :) |
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| 19:05.05 | Mirrakor | lapsusbrutus: the resistor basicly lowers the voltage and thus reduces the speed and the noise (I think 600rpm is the magical border, but you might want to google that up as well, there are some pretty interesting threads in hardware boards :) ) |
| 19:05.13 | thewanderer1 | can anyone with a stock 2.6.32-5 installed (not openvz, xen, etc.) tell me whether cgroups are enabled? (grep CGROUP /boot/config-$(uname -r) ) |
| 19:05.25 | erAbuelo | rebuenas |
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| 19:08.17 | johnnydoe | Hello |
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| 19:09.16 | Bushmills | lapsusbrutus: there is a software solution, through lm-sensors. the package name is fancontrol |
| 19:09.20 | johnnydoe | a bit off topic: I am searching for a hacking channel/website where I can learn the basics of buffer overflows and try them on small example programs. Do you know any? The only websites/tutorials I was able to find are either too undetailed or outdated. |
| 19:09.32 | Bushmills | it controls speed by pulse width modulating fan power |
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| 19:12.31 | roche | Hello I am trying to install mysql-cluster from package repositories but apt-get return an error saying mysql-cluster client is trying to overwrite "/usr/bin/mysql" that is included in mysql-client package and don't install the package |
| 19:12.44 | roche | is there a way to force the instalation? |
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| 19:13.00 | roche | I tried --force-yes but didn't work |
| 19:13.13 | daft | --force-all ? |
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| 19:18.52 | bklive | roche, make a copy of /usr/bin/mysql and then remove the old one, install mysql-clutter |
| 19:19.37 | bklive | something like 'sudo mv /usr/bin/mysql{,.bak}' then install |
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| 19:20.42 | roche | bklive, yes I did it but didn't work |
| 19:21.05 | bklive | roche, same error? |
| 19:21.16 | roche | bklive, I think the error is sent by apt and I think it is looking in its own database |
| 19:21.29 | roche | bklive, yes same error |
| 19:22.01 | bklive | roche, is mysql running in the background? it could be causing the system to register that it still 'exists' because it's in use |
| 19:22.37 | Bushmills | roche: what program are you using to install and force? |
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| 19:39.15 | bur4k | I want to allow the system-users to do everything ..... but they shouldn't be able to demage the system. E.g. they should not be able to remove files in /bin/... |
| 19:39.17 | bur4k | What can I do ? |
| 19:39.36 | Bushmills | bur4k: kind of a contradiction |
| 19:40.06 | bur4k | hm... why |
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| 19:40.21 | Bushmills | "do everything" ... "not remove files" |
| 19:40.31 | bur4k | flexibility in userland without demaging system |
| 19:40.40 | Bushmills | give them user accounts |
| 19:40.41 | afea | Does someone know if there is a way to define variables in the /etc/sources.list file? |
| 19:40.57 | bur4k | what if they should be able to use "apt-get ... " |
| 19:41.10 | Bushmills | not allowed - that may overwrite files in /bin |
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| 19:41.31 | Bushmills | give them a virtual server with root access |
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| 19:41.47 | bur4k | Bushmills: u mean chroot ? |
| 19:42.15 | Bushmills | virtual server keeps them locked in better than chroot, and allows them more "rooty" things |
| 19:42.54 | Bushmills | then they can damage their own system, but not the host installation |
| 19:43.05 | bur4k | hmm .... sounds interesting. Is the performance much slower? |
| 19:43.08 | Bushmills | no |
| 19:43.30 | bur4k | cool. Where can I read about virtualization softw for debian |
| 19:43.32 | Bushmills | depends a bit on virtualisation software. but there are some with very little performance penalty |
| 19:43.39 | Bushmills | !kvm |
| 19:43.39 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze, kvm in Lenny. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:43.43 | Bushmills | !virtualbox |
| 19:43.43 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 19:44.07 | afea | !qemu |
| 19:44.07 | dpkg | QEMU is a fast PC emulator. Lenny users, see <mmap_min_addr>. http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://www.qemu.org/ #qemu on irc.freenode.net. See also <kvm>, <kqemu>, <virtualization>. |
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| 19:48.08 | bur4k | Bushmills: thanks ;) |
| 19:48.08 | bur4k | afea: thanks too ;) |
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| 19:50.59 | bur4k | Bushmills: Do you know if can also redirect SSH to the virtual space ? |
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| 19:52.35 | sorabji52 | anyone have experience installing debian on a compaq? i can't get it to boot... |
| 19:52.40 | Bushmills | bur4k: easiest is to assign each virtual machine a different ip address, and bridge them to the physical interface. then each virtual server admin can install his own sshd |
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| 19:53.31 | thewanderer1 | sorabji52: see, I booted it on a Compaq PC with a Pentium 3 and 128 MB of RAM if that matters... worked for me. as for laptops, no idea :P |
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| 19:54.32 | bur4k | Bushmills: Can I make this on the same LAN-interface? |
| 19:54.51 | sorabji52 | it's a tower, compaq presario sr2020nx |
| 19:55.02 | ksx4system | is there any other way to get Wireshark 1.4.6 (latest stable) on squeeze than compile from source? |
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| 19:55.37 | Bushmills | bur4k: yes |
| 19:55.45 | Coweater | sorabji52: can't get the install media to boot? |
| 19:55.49 | sorabji52 | thewanderer1: install goes swimmingly as far as i can tell, the it fails to boot |
| 19:56.15 | Bushmills | bur4k: you want to assign several ip addresses to that interface, though |
| 19:56.18 | dvs | sorabji52: sounds like grub wasn't installed properly |
| 19:56.43 | bur4k | Bushmills: didn't know that it's possible ... |
| 19:56.57 | sorabji52 | hmm...grub loads up, gives me the option of kernels to boot |
| 19:57.18 | sorabji52 | after i select one though, it just dies |
| 19:57.31 | dvs | sorabji52: no messages on the screen? |
| 19:58.10 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: do you have hardware virtualisation in the CPU? without it, the VM solutions can be a PITA |
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| 19:59.17 | sorabji52 | dvs: i have it set w/ the lilo boot loader right now...it loads the kernel, then spits a lot out to the screen too fast for me to read it |
| 19:59.31 | bur4k | thewanderer1: dunno, I have a QNAP-TS119 P+ with Armel, 1.6 Ghz |
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| 19:59.37 | perlsyntax | has anyone got a android cell phone to work on debian as a modem? |
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| 20:00.33 | dvs | sorabji52: If you could somehow look at the /var/log/dmesg file, it might give you a hint. |
| 20:00.43 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: aww... qemu might be quite slow, but VirtualBox won't work and there are not many virtualisation solutions... good luck |
| 20:01.57 | selbeimanti | i've had no luck using netinstall image daily build. i've tried with a new ssd and an old ide hd, and got the same kernel error, but got until the debian install menu. |
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| 20:02.08 | selbeimanti | is the fault likely in the boot.img, or in the netinst iso? |
| 20:02.19 | oops | mrxvt consumes the Alt+<number> keystrokes to change tab. But I use it to change windows in irssi or repeat commands in the bash readline. how can I stop mrxvt from consuming Alt+<number> keystrokes? |
| 20:02.45 | sorabji52 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.58 | selbeimanti | i've been thinking of using older versions, and if it's the netinst iso, i could just copy them to the hd instead of having to install the boot.img every time |
| 20:03.28 | bur4k | thewanderer1: what about kvm ? |
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| 20:03.55 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: KVM needs Intel VT-x or AMD SVM, or it drops to QEMU as the emulator... |
| 20:04.41 | bur4k | thewanderer1: that's sad ;( |
| 20:04.51 | sorabji52 | dvs: what am i looking for in the dmesg file? |
| 20:05.23 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: what are you trying to do, actually? |
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| 20:06.24 | bur4k | thewanderer1: I want to give large flexibility to my users, but also want to protect system data like /bin/... |
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| 20:06.44 | bur4k | thewanderer1: e.g. they should be able to apt-get |
| 20:06.56 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: sudo? |
| 20:08.18 | thewanderer1 | also, see apt-daemon |
| 20:08.21 | bur4k | thewanderer1: can I configure sudo to allow apt, but reject removing files of /bin/... ? |
| 20:08.28 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 20:08.43 | dvs | sorabji52: Any error messages, particularly near the end of the file. |
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| 20:10.12 | bur4k | thewanderer1: apt-daemon is more restricted than apt-get ? |
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| 20:11.58 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but uses policykit... and sudo might be just enough if you can configure it |
| 20:13.17 | thewanderer1 | actually, I'd rather look into letting the user restore the software from a safe location than restricting what they can do with the device if I were you |
| 20:13.49 | thewanderer1 | (give them a bootable CF card, read-only by jumper setting, or sth like that) |
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| 20:16.02 | sorabji52 | dvs: three messages w/ 'Error' in the string: "PM: Error -22 checking image file", "nForce2_smbus 0000:00:0a.1: Error probing SMB1", "Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting...", and 1 w/ 'error': amb63_edac: probe of 000:00:18.2 failed with error -22" |
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| 20:17.21 | sgerbino | does anyone know how to properly stop apt-mirror? |
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| 20:20.02 | bur4k | thewanderer1: u mean I should let the users run apps from a protected are (like a read only), and shouldn't let them apt and so on? |
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| 20:20.46 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: no, you should let them do everything they want (if they are the admin, of course, supposing you're an embedded developer), and provide a restore facility to "de-brick" the device just in case :P |
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| 20:21.44 | dvs | sorabji52: No idea what it could be from those error messages. |
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| 20:23.06 | sorabji52 | dvs: any ideas where to go from here? i got a machine that just boots to a black screen |
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| 20:24.13 | thewanderer1 | sorabji52: tried booting with noacpi and friends? |
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| 20:24.47 | thewanderer1 | (also, disable KMS - I think EDAC sounds KMS-related, or graphics-related otherwise) |
| 20:25.41 | sorabji52 | thewanderer1: how do i set those options for booting? |
| 20:25.45 | dvs | sorabji52: Oh? But you do get messages scrolling up the screen while booting? |
| 20:26.10 | sorabji52 | dvs: yes, messages scroll by, then it goes black |
| 20:26.10 | bur4k | thewanderer1: hmm... so I will use sudo and backup the system files, to be able to recover them if they get damaged. That's right way? ;) |
| 20:26.11 | thewanderer1 | sorabji52: in GRUB, press e or so, and edit the boot options |
| 20:26.20 | dvs | sorabji52: Ah, then it's probably X |
| 20:26.36 | thewanderer1 | oh. right. what dvs says |
| 20:27.03 | dvs | sorabji52: What does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? Search for "(EE)" |
| 20:27.06 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: sounds much like it... no need for restrictions even, if you give your users foolproof means of restoring |
| 20:27.28 | dvs | sorabji52: (You can press Alt-Ctrl-F1) to get to a prompt. |
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| 20:28.52 | sorabji52 | dvs: Alt-Ctrl-F1 does not get me to a prompt...back to rescue mode in the installer |
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| 20:30.10 | sorabji52 | dvs: i told it not to install a desktop environment...that make a difference? |
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| 20:31.01 | dvs | sorabji52: Well, if it is what we think it is, then the desktop environment shouldn't have been installed. |
| 20:31.35 | dvs | sorabji52: If you can boot your computer then press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and you get a login prompt, then it probably is X. |
| 20:32.31 | sorabji52 | negative on getting a login prompt, and there is no Xorg.0.log file |
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| 20:33.24 | dvs | sorabji52: Then I'd try using noapic as a kernel option like thewanderer1 says. |
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| 20:38.18 | sorabji52 | dvs: how do i pass kernel options in LILO? |
| 20:39.23 | dvs | sorabji52: I don't remember. I think there is a "linux" line that has the kernel file. |
| 20:40.11 | sorabji52 | trying to edit lilo.conf...it currently doesn't give me any time to type anything in |
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| 20:41.12 | beardy | sorabji52: You just type them after the kernel to boot. 'linux OPTION="value"', if "linux" is the first one. |
| 20:41.30 | beardy | sorabji52: Hit Shift, Alt, both.. or what it was.. |
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| 20:43.23 | fbe^ | hi |
| 20:43.33 | beardy | sorabji52: If it doesn't give you any prompt that is. In the config it should be self-documented. Just 'OPTION="value"' on a single line within the kernel-section you want it in. 'man 5 lilo.conf' |
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| 20:44.12 | fbe^ | is it possible to add multiple ip addresses to one network interface configured by the /etc/network/interfaces? ip addr add x.x.x.x/xx dev eth0 works well, but how do i persist that in the interfaces config? |
| 20:44.51 | petemc | fbe^: you can do that as an up line |
| 20:46.02 | meisterdude | let's say i have an interactive cli program running in a terminal, is it possible to access it from another terminal? |
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| 20:46.19 | morn__ | meisterdude: take a look at screen |
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| 20:46.45 | beardy | fbe^: A search engine is your friend. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_assign_multiple_IP_addresses |
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| 20:47.19 | morn__ | meisterdude: run "screen" , launch your CLI program, and attach with "screen -x" from another terminal to your running CLI program session |
| 20:48.37 | sorabji52 | dvs: beardy: i got it to give me a prompt...now what parameters should i pass it? thewanderer1 mentioned noacpi and friends, and to disable KMS |
| 20:49.01 | meisterdude | thanks I'll try it. i want to get access to a running program with ssh to check up on it |
| 20:49.15 | fbe^ | merci beardy |
| 20:49.22 | dvs | sorabji52: noacpi is a start. |
| 20:49.46 | sorabji52 | dvs: just "linux noacpi" at the prompt? |
| 20:49.53 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 20:49.54 | ZenWalker | the kernel on testing is 100 % free ? |
| 20:50.05 | dvs | sorabji52: I guess. I haven't used LILO in a long time. |
| 20:50.23 | sorabji52 | dvs: should i reinstall w/ grub? |
| 20:50.34 | fbe^ | beardy: but that are virtual devices |
| 20:50.39 | fbe^ | i don't want that virtual crap. |
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| 20:50.47 | beardy | fbe^: ? |
| 20:50.55 | dvs | sorabji52: It's up to you. I rarely run into people that stilll use grub. |
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| 20:50.59 | fbe^ | beardy: eth0:0 0:1 .. |
| 20:51.05 | fbe^ | with ip addr add it's just eth0 |
| 20:51.11 | beardy | fbe^: Then you buy more interfaces. |
| 20:51.15 | dvs | I mean LILO |
| 20:51.17 | fbe^ | i think not |
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| 20:51.20 | fbe^ | i'll use post up |
| 20:51.55 | sorabji52 | dvs: grub it is then...be back in another half hour or so after the install goes through |
| 20:52.24 | sorabji52 | much thanks to everyone for all the help |
| 20:52.38 | dvs | sorabji52: I'll probably be cooking dinner by then. |
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| 20:53.09 | meisterdude | wait, I use grub. is there a better alternative? |
| 20:53.32 | nadar | just a question i didn't find answered in faq: the i386-isos are the 32-bit-versions? |
| 20:53.35 | bur4k | thewanderer1: What do you think about a chroot with a sudo which rejects commands that are dangerous to host? Can this commands be specified? |
| 20:53.43 | dvs | meisterdude: No, I meant to say "LILO" instead of grub above. |
| 20:53.54 | beardy | meisterdude: Better is debatable, No grub is what you "should" use. |
| 20:54.00 | meisterdude | oh kk |
| 20:54.04 | thewanderer1 | !tell bur4k about break out of chroot |
| 20:54.18 | thewanderer1 | oh hey, someone broke the factoid. |
| 20:54.34 | bur4k | he broke out of his chroot ;D |
| 20:54.37 | beardy | nadar: Correct. |
| 20:54.52 | dvs | arrests bur4k |
| 20:55.02 | nadar | beardy, ty |
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| 20:55.25 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: anyway, if you are root, it takes 10 lines in C to break out of a chroot, so that's a poor idea |
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| 20:56.47 | thewanderer1 | bur4k: LXC is your best bet here... maybe OpenVZ, but I highly doubt they support Arm... there was also Vserver, check that too |
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| 20:57.12 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Most distros default to grub these days. It dates back to a problem lilo had with what were large disks in the day, mostly the dawn of linux. |
| 20:57.14 | thewanderer1 | (LXC security is pretty much void nowadays too, so not much point in it unless you can configure SELinux or write your own init) |
| 20:58.07 | dvs | "the dawn of linux"? I remember using LILO for quite a bit of time. |
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| 20:58.47 | beardy | LILO was default up to sarge atleast. |
| 20:59.14 | dvs | Yeah, that's not too long ago. |
| 20:59.21 | beardy | Nope. |
| 20:59.35 | meisterdude | exit |
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| 20:59.40 | dvs | !rexit |
| 20:59.44 | dvs | !exit |
| 20:59.44 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 20:59.49 | dvs | aww |
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| 21:00.02 | erAbuelo | hasta mañana |
| 21:00.19 | ompaul | dvs: lilo was not at the dawn of linux it was there a long time and in the early days just not in the beginning |
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| 21:02.09 | dvs | ompaul: What was used "in the beginning"? |
| 21:02.20 | beardy | !pal dvs |
| 21:02.20 | dpkg | points at dvs and laughs uproariously |
| 21:02.59 | ompaul | dvs: would you believe that it was the first boot manager, just there was none in the beginning |
| 21:03.03 | Bushmills | loadlin, from msdos :) |
| 21:03.04 | llpj | after upgrading iceape-mailnews reliably hangs after a few seconds since opening the mail window (even in -safe-mode) - no error messages, just no X events being processed any more - any idea how to diagnose this? |
| 21:03.18 | dvs | oh yeah, loadlin. Forgot about that. |
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| 21:03.30 | beardy | That's what I used forst too. And an UMSDOS fs. |
| 21:03.36 | beardy | first* |
| 21:03.51 | nadar | have you already heard of the guy which has been threatened to be sued because he downloaded debian via bittorrent? |
| 21:04.05 | NightMiles | ... |
| 21:04.08 | dvs | is glad he didn't have to deal with loadlin |
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| 21:04.18 | ompaul | nadar: no, please tell us in #debian-offtopic with urls thanks |
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| 21:05.44 | jhutchins_lt | What I was saying was that the problem that lilo was known for only existed very early, possibly before it was ported to linux. |
| 21:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | Wasn't loadlin for loading linux from windows? |
| 21:06.32 | Bushmills | or from an msdos boot floppy |
| 21:06.42 | beardy | Yeah.. LInux LOader not "ported for" Linux.. no, don't think so.. |
| 21:06.46 | oops | is there a console based desktop environment? no GUI, just black console and tabs so that I can run multiple processes in foreground? |
| 21:07.03 | dvs | oops: screen? |
| 21:07.07 | beardy | jhutchins_lt: From MS-DOS yes. Nothing to do with LILO. |
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| 21:07.16 | Bushmills | oops: tmux |
| 21:07.17 | oops | dvs, screen shows tabs? |
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| 21:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | beardy: Thanks for straightening me out. I messed with loadlin for a while. |
| 21:07.37 | dvs | oops: No. |
| 21:07.59 | beardy | oops: If configured, probably. It can have status bar.. stuff atleast. |
| 21:08.27 | jhutchins_lt | oops: I think I've heard of a tabbed screen manager. Works a bit like irssi. |
| 21:08.51 | Bushmills | oops: there's also dvtm |
| 21:09.15 | beardy | oops: But why waste screenspace on tabs when the keyboard shortcuts are there to be used, and fast learnt after a little while? |
| 21:09.45 | Bushmills | and another, more window manager like, which name i forgot |
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| 21:10.08 | beardy | oops: ^a 0 to 9 to start with |
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| 21:10.31 | Bushmills | tmux also supports vertical splitting |
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| 21:10.34 | oops | beardy, because it is hard to remember which tab has got what. |
| 21:10.37 | Bushmills | i.e. tiling |
| 21:10.40 | oops | ok |
| 21:10.56 | beardy | oops: That's why you name them and use ^a " |
| 21:11.07 | oops | beardy, ok |
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| 21:11.28 | beardy | oops: :) ^a A to name it |
| 21:11.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps when i make a new terminal this pops up |
| 21:11.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | groups: cannot find name for group ID 11152 |
| 21:11.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | groups: cannot find name for group ID 11154 |
| 21:11.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | groups: cannot find name for group ID 11182 |
| 21:11.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | groups: cannot find name for group ID 11199 |
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| 21:13.34 | beardy | oops: I'm sure you can have the name overlaid aswell, in a corner, top right for instance. IIRC I've seen people having a clock there too. |
| 21:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | Eryn_1983_FL: Did you install something from a tarball? |
| 21:14.59 | oops | beardy, a clock on a screen? |
| 21:15.05 | oops | i mean the screen program? |
| 21:15.34 | beardy | oops: Have a look on http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/09/27/a-guide-to-gnu-screen/ for example. |
| 21:15.37 | Bushmills | actually, tmux shows tabs at the bottom. ^b 0...9 to switch to the |
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| 21:16.17 | oops | very interesting i'll try them all. |
| 21:16.19 | Bushmills | or ^b f to enter title to switch to |
| 21:16.25 | oops | i am assuming gnu screen is much more powerful than tmux |
| 21:16.30 | beardy | oops: Yes, in one of the screen program's screen/window/terminal |
| 21:16.59 | beardy | oops: Hmm, they're about equal. tmux-people speaks for tmux of course. |
| 21:17.00 | Bushmills | oops: screen and tmux are for similar purposes. both mainly used for detaching and reattaching to sessions |
| 21:17.16 | oops | ok |
| 21:17.34 | oops | actually i have never heard about tmux but i have heard a lot about screen. |
| 21:17.42 | oops | i am trying out tmux for the first time today. |
| 21:17.46 | lapsusbrutus | Im using gnome terminal, but would like to use something less gnomish. I like a lot of its features, e.g removing menu, scrollbar, transparent background.. But is there another one that do this I should try? |
| 21:17.50 | beardy | oops: screen does serial communication built in too.. not sure tmux does that. Screen is GNU, tmux is from the BSD world. |
| 21:18.00 | oops | ok |
| 21:18.12 | oops | what is the advantage of serial communication? |
| 21:18.49 | homie | input > output |
| 21:19.04 | beardy | oops: Serial communication as in talking directly to a serial port, if you're working with network equipment, or machines connected to serial ports. |
| 21:19.17 | homie | input > processing tree >output |
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| 21:19.36 | beardy | ..was what I meant in this case. |
| 21:19.38 | homie | the first is just compact,basic,simple |
| 21:19.48 | homie | efficient |
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| 21:20.13 | beardy | lapsusbrutus: Look at xfce-terminal, konsole, various xterms |
| 21:20.29 | oops | lapsusbrutus, I use urxvt |
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| 21:21.15 | oops | urxvt is pretty minimalistic, supports unicode, has transparency, has geeky looking ugly tabs which can be made pretty with a little configuration |
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| 21:22.28 | lapsusbrutus | thanks guys! Going to try urxvt first. Looks like a nice replacement |
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| 21:22.37 | oops | how to open a new tab in tmux? |
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| 21:23.31 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: You might want to steal a little configuration for it: https://github.com/babilen/dotfiles/blob/master/Xresources |
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| 21:24.04 | beardy | oops: The manual is probably a good read. I don't recall the default command sequence now.. possibly Alt-a n, instead of Ctrl-a that screen uses. |
| 21:24.17 | oops | so why do people look for better terminals? it seems all one needs is rxvt and screen/tmux |
| 21:24.27 | lapsusbrutus | thanks babilen :) |
| 21:24.49 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: Put that in ~/.Xresource and run "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" |
| 21:24.53 | beardy | Some hasn't found them, some prefer something else completely. |
| 21:25.13 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: first is obiously ~/.Xresources too :) |
| 21:25.19 | oops | what's the use of -merge option there. I always run xrdb ~/.Xresources |
| 21:25.51 | oops | which uses the -load option |
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| 21:26.18 | babilen | yeah, -load is fine too -- Didn't want lapsusbrutus to overwrite any carefully crafted values set before. |
| 21:26.41 | Jarvis | anyone about who has access to a wheezy install (with sqlite3 installed?) |
| 21:26.57 | lapsusbrutus | :) Do I have to compile urxvt myself? cant find it in my repos.. |
| 21:27.34 | babilen | ,versions rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 21:27.35 | judd | Package rxvt-unicode-ml on i386 -- lenny: 9.05-1+lenny1; squeeze: 9.07-2+b1; wheezy: 9.09-3; sid: 9.10-1 |
| 21:28.22 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: Ah, for the 256 colours to work you need to backport the version in sid IIRC. |
| 21:28.54 | lapsusbrutus | ohh rxvt:) of course thanks :) |
| 21:29.18 | babilen | ,versions rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 21:29.20 | judd | Package rxvt-unicode-256color on i386 -- sid: 9.10-1 |
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| 21:54.51 | Bushmills | oops: that's what many people use, actually |
| 21:55.17 | Bushmills | though, probably more "adminny" people than usery people |
| 21:55.32 | Bushmills | or is it userish |
| 21:55.43 | oops | Bushmills, which one? |
| 21:56.06 | Bushmills | screen is the traditional solution. tmux a relative newcomer |
| 21:56.15 | ompaul | admin vs users |
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| 21:56.31 | oops | ok |
| 21:56.51 | oops | what's the advantage of using rxvt-unicode-ml. rxvt-unicode seems to work just fine for me. |
| 21:57.10 | ksx4system | is it possible to install Wireshark 1.4.6 (latest stable) on squeeze without compiling from source? deb package from wheezy does not work |
| 21:57.20 | Bushmills | go-with-the-crowd and conservatismists use screen. early adopters try out tmux |
| 21:57.27 | lusotux | Bushmills, wich one would you use ? |
| 21:57.50 | Bushmills | i find myself starting tmux more frequently than screen |
| 21:57.55 | lusotux | :) |
| 21:58.23 | babilen | oops: You don't deal much with asian scripts do you? But I would still recommend to backport the rxvt-unicode-256color package from sid |
| 21:58.51 | Bushmills | i keep both installed, though |
| 21:59.02 | oops | i don't. but rxvt-unicode can't show asian scripts. why? it supports Unicode, doesn't it? |
| 22:00.21 | xand | oops: it shows them just fine for me. |
| 22:00.27 | xand | if you mean things like chinese |
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| 22:01.12 | oops | yes, hence, my question what is extra in rxvt-unicode-ml and why? if rxvt-unicode supports Unicode, then it should be able to show scritps of all languages supported in Unicode, shouldn't it? |
| 22:01.21 | oops | what is the need of rxvt-unicode-ml then? |
| 22:01.23 | xand | no idea |
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| 22:03.24 | hiroko | virsh --connect qemu:///system |
| 22:03.34 | hiroko | sry, wrong window |
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| 22:06.12 | babilen | oops: Compare the configure options: http://paste.debian.net/114916/ (I still recommend to use the package from sid) |
| 22:07.03 | babilen | oops: You might want to check the version in squeeze though. "apt-get source rxvt-unicode ; cd rxvt-unicode*/debian ; less rules" |
| 22:07.20 | oops | babilen, I use wheezy at the moment. How did you generate that output you pasted? |
| 22:07.23 | babilen | oops: That's from the version in wheezy -- Sorry, didn't think about it :) |
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| 22:08.01 | babilen | oops: I looked at the debian/rules file in the source package and checked http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/README.configure?view=markup |
| 22:08.16 | babilen | cvs :-D |
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| 22:08.42 | babilen | oops: No magic, sorry ;) |
| 22:08.59 | oops | ok :) |
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| 22:09.10 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 22:09.31 | ragnar76 | how do i find out what console font is used? |
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| 22:15.12 | lapsusbrutus | babilen: Thanks a lot for great configfile! changed font to "urxvt*font: xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=14", so now Im almost happy. You know how to make it transparent? Ive got a beautiful wallpaper and since I use tiling windows the only way to show desktop is to let it shine trough terminal :) |
| 22:16.36 | bur4k | are there any points of using LXC ? |
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| 22:20.35 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: "URxvt.transparent:true" + "URxvt.shading:20 " -- but note: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode#True_transparency |
| 22:20.54 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: And you are most welcome :) |
| 22:21.40 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: The colourscheme is "molokai" -- another colourscheme worth a look is: http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized |
| 22:22.29 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: molokai is also beautiful in vim ... But I don't know you taste :) |
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| 22:24.28 | lapsusbrutus | Yeah I did test it with vim, lovely! Thanks for the lots of good info. Im making a "howto" for next linux install now :) |
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| 22:26.02 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: You can also check my vim config on github ... Just ask if you have further questions. Enjoy and have a nice evening :) |
| 22:26.21 | lapsusbrutus | thanks :) you too |
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| 22:28.27 | bAndie9100 | hi all, i have to require your aid again |
| 22:29.22 | bAndie9100 | i upgraded from lenny to squeeze and right side of my laptop's touchpad doesnt work as mouse wheel anymore |
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| 22:29.49 | bAndie9100 | where should i seek for the issue? |
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| 22:30.40 | babilen | !tell bAndie9100 -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 22:31.12 | babilen | bAndie9100: Create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf and read "man synaptics" -- If you use Gnome take a look at "gnome-mouse-properties" |
| 22:31.23 | babilen | !tell bAndie9100 about synaptics |
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| 22:31.39 | Bushmills | bAndie9100: try multi-touch. two finger scrolling |
| 22:32.02 | babilen | bAndie9100: You are after the "VertEdgeScroll" option |
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| 22:33.00 | bAndie9100 | ok, im reading it |
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| 22:42.23 | oops | I have /etc/dhcp as well as /etc/dhcp3 on my system. |
| 22:42.33 | oops | which one's dhclient.conf should I be editing? |
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| 22:45.38 | kgoetz | oops: i don't have dhcpd installed here (to reference the file), but i suspect the one in /etc/dhcp/ |
| 22:46.08 | oops | what do I need to restart to reload the new configuration in dhclient.conf? |
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| 22:47.00 | kgoetz | i suspect its re-read every time dhclient is run |
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| 22:48.36 | oops | well, I ran dhclient, but I don't see the new domain servers getting updated in my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:49.34 | babilen | !tell oops -about override dns |
| 22:50.35 | oops | babilen, i have done that already. i want to know how to reload the new settings |
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| 22:51.04 | babilen | oops: I'm with kgoetz on that one :) |
| 22:51.17 | inthl | I just updated from lenny to squeeze .. some bashscripts do not seem to work any more |
| 22:51.24 | oops | babilen, i ran dhclient as well. nothing happened. |
| 22:51.34 | inthl | for example: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "fi") |
| 22:51.37 | oops | /etc/resolv.conf still shows the old name servers |
| 22:51.38 | kgoetz | inthl: whats their shabang line? |
| 22:51.41 | babilen | inthl: You are sure you have /bin/bash in there and not /bin/sh ? |
| 22:51.52 | inthl | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:51.57 | Bushmills | inthl: make sure that it's actually bash invoked when running those scripts |
| 22:52.18 | inthl | hm, besides that, was that error expected? I mean, was there some change in this? |
| 22:52.20 | kgoetz | inthl: then its not a bash script :) you'll need to make it /bin/bash (or change sh to be bash) |
| 22:52.41 | babilen | inthl: Well, that are not bash scripts but shell scripts which are now run with dash (posix compatible) -- Either make them posix compatible (use checkbashisms to find bash specific syntax) or use /bin/bash in your shebang |
| 22:52.47 | Bushmills | inthl: using bash features in non-bash scripts is considered an error |
| 22:53.36 | inthl | by the way, as a temporary solution, is it dangerous here now to replace /bin/sh with a symlink to bash ? |
| 22:54.05 | inthl | the issue is that several thousand bashscripts are affected, I need to do some workarounds first before updating them all |
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| 22:54.16 | Bushmills | bash when called from sh symlink will not provide all bash features |
| 22:54.30 | MrFrood | inthl: why would you want to do that |
| 22:54.46 | inthl | to avoid downtime which is currently occuring |
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| 22:55.37 | bAndie9100 | Bushmills, thanks, synclient made the opus, no X restart needed |
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| 22:55.58 | MrFrood | but why a symlink |
| 22:56.33 | kgoetz | MrFrood: why not? thats how its done by debian |
| 22:56.34 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.48 | babilen | inthl: "dpkg-reconfigure dash" -- You probably borked the update. |
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| 22:57.49 | Bushmills | problem existed before but only manifests now |
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| 22:58.05 | MrFrood | kgoetz: yes and debian has tools other than a manually set symlink to set it |
| 22:58.18 | inthl | hm, i can select "no" there, the scripts appear to work again |
| 22:58.46 | inthl | this is an old system which is going to be replaced anyway shortly, so the current solution just has to work somehow - it is nothing critical at all |
| 22:58.53 | babilen | inthl: Fix your scripts (should be easy) and run "dpkg-reconfigure dash" again |
| 22:59.09 | inthl | sure, thanks very much for the hint |
| 22:59.12 | Bushmills | is still an error, using bash specific stuff in scripts while hash-banging it to /bin/sh only |
| 22:59.31 | MrFrood | inthl: best thing would be to fix the scripts so they used the CORRECT bang styntax |
| 22:59.32 | Bushmills | regardless of what shell is actually invoked as sh |
| 22:59.50 | ragnar76 | how can i reconfigure my console keymap? |
| 23:00.02 | Bushmills | ragnar76: loadkeys |
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| 23:00.13 | babilen | ragnar76: What do you want to do? |
| 23:00.30 | ragnar76 | babilen: i have no umlauts |
| 23:00.47 | ragnar76 | babilen: just change to a font which have them |
| 23:00.51 | babilen | ragnar76: Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and take a look at /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 23:01.42 | babilen | hands ragnar76 a bunch of ö, ä, ü and ë ;) |
| 23:02.01 | Bushmills | and § and à ? |
| 23:02.21 | ragnar76 | babilen: thank you :) |
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| 23:02.28 | oops | okay, i fixed it. i had to edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and run dhclient program. |
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| 23:02.38 | oops | I am wondering then what is /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf good for? |
| 23:02.53 | babilen | oops: So, what did you do different? dpkg told you exactly that :-\ |
| 23:03.35 | oops | i added a semicolon after the prepend statement |
| 23:03.55 | babilen | good choice :) |
| 23:04.52 | oops | but surprisngly nslookup commands are still using my old DNS settings |
| 23:05.01 | oops | do I have to do a network-manager restart? |
| 23:05.05 | Bushmills | dhcp3 is - at least in wheezy - a transitional package. before, it had its config in /etc/dhcp3 |
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| 23:05.37 | Bushmills | it is now isc-dhcp instead of dhcp3 |
| 23:05.45 | inthl | hm. since the update dpgk/aptitude and even wget can not resolve hosts |
| 23:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | oops: dhclient.conf determines what parameters the client requests or requires. man dhclient.conf for details. |
| 23:05.57 | inthl | Resolving someserver.com... failed: Name or service not known. |
| 23:06.21 | inthl | what is that? I need some packages from apt/deb-sources and can't download them |
| 23:06.25 | inthl | but ping someserver.com works |
| 23:07.07 | inthl | any ideas perhaps? |
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| 23:18.12 | Bushmills | someserver.com. 3600 IN A 173.224.123.224 |
| 23:20.33 | Bushmills | no mention of debian under their free software link |
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| 23:53.58 | Lalaland1125 | How would I move the my root partition to another hard drive? |
| 23:54.24 | Lalaland1125 | I have already copied the data, and changed the settings in fstab, but it has not seemed to work. |
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