| 00:00.17 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok; that looks fine |
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| 00:02.31 | mosno | holy hell, debian has chromium -- nice. now i can run my horribly broken upstream firefox but still have debian-packaged flash |
| 00:02.35 | mosno | :) |
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| 00:05.50 | davetoo | ok, I'm not having much luck trying to do something with grub.... |
| 00:06.10 | nsadmin | then do something else with it! |
| 00:06.11 | davetoo | I want to mount the root partition "relatime,data=writeback" |
| 00:06.23 | blackshirt | davetoo: something goes wrong with your grub ? |
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| 00:06.40 | davetoo | blackshirt: not exactly |
| 00:06.46 | davetoo | something wrong with my understanding of it :) |
| 00:07.21 | blackshirt | :) |
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| 00:07.32 | davetoo | so, |
| 00:08.06 | davetoo | as a test, on a Squeeze VM on ESXi, |
| 00:08.06 | davetoo | I want to mount root as above. |
| 00:08.16 | blackshirt | any error messages ? |
| 00:08.25 | nsadmin | if that's the case, is it that you want to accomplish a specific task or learn about grub? |
| 00:08.39 | davetoo | Just adding the opts to fstab doesn't work because you can't change the data ordering |
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| 00:09.00 | davetoo | so I'm trying to figure out how to get the very first ro mount also done with 'data=writeback' |
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| 00:09.22 | davetoo | I modified /etc/grub.d/10_linux to add the option and ran update-grub |
| 00:09.30 | davetoo | doesn't work |
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| 00:11.04 | davetoo | I think the problem is that stage 0/1 (?) mounts it data=ordered so it can read /boot/grub.cfg and then it's too late |
| 00:11.54 | blackshirt | davetoo: i think you have modified it on fstab, and then remount again, or reboot |
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| 00:15.53 | davetoo | ok I found a new .. fact |
| 00:17.12 | davetoo | ah, |
| 00:17.15 | davetoo | rootflags |
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| 00:19.21 | blackshirt | yeah |
| 00:19.55 | davetoo | first time looking at Grub2. |
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| 00:19.59 | davetoo | OK, that fixed it. thank you. |
| 00:20.01 | davetoo | ttyl. |
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| 00:20.33 | Sia- | that my interface http://pastebin.com/uHRpYe1Y and error message, somebody know what is wrong? |
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| 00:24.24 | blackshirt | how ifconfig output ? |
| 00:25.36 | blackshirt | i think you have configure it |
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| 00:30.00 | Sia- | blackshirt http://pastebin.com/6DhnGEDR |
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| 00:31.43 | p3rror | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 00:31.49 | p3rror | when i run alsamixer |
| 00:31.54 | p3rror | please can you help |
| 00:32.05 | p3rror | i don't have sound in firefox two |
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| 00:33.57 | blackshirt | Sia: check your routing table, with netstat -r, or routing -n, or ip route list |
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| 00:35.09 | Sia- | blackshirt then? |
| 00:35.25 | blackshirt | Sia: your error messages indicates error on add routing |
| 00:36.04 | blackshirt | delete one, and then add correct routing ip |
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| 00:44.04 | eAndrius | who know the font (or something similar) used here please pm me http://motoko.sutas.lt/~andrew/iphone-4-pwned.png |
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| 00:51.17 | xelister | eAndrius: cool hostname. Kusanagi? |
| 00:51.25 | eAndrius | xelister: indeed |
| 00:51.28 | xelister | dad ass. |
| 00:51.32 | xelister | *t |
| 00:53.12 | xelister | eAndrius: check out http://www.dafont.com/ they have all fonts possible |
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| 00:58.16 | homushi | eAndrius: in what language is the banner on oh_the_irony.png? |
| 00:58.21 | AthomIk | bye |
| 00:58.51 | homushi | and does irony consist of it? |
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| 01:00.16 | eAndrius | homushi: ;]] it's inside joke with my friend. I believe it's in polish, but irony comes from the pattern on right |
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| 01:03.23 | homushi | ah, ok ) |
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| 01:04.04 | homushi | I thought polish used latin letters |
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| 01:06.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does KDE4 have its own package manager like gnome comes with synaptic? Or do I just install the one I want, if I want one instead of using the terminal? |
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| 01:09.58 | Talon_ | is there a similar terminal program like gnome terminal? All i'm looking for is an always visible tab bar, quite often I open at least two terminals, one su'd so i don't haveto "sudo make install" n stuff like that, i just switch tabs. anyways i'm lookin for perminant tabbed decent terminal |
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| 01:11.21 | amphi | Talon_: xfce terminal is ok, and has the advantage (for me at least) that you can have the tabs down the side, rather than along the top |
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| 01:12.20 | Talon_ | xfce4-terminal ? found that in synaptic |
| 01:12.30 | Talon_ | on n/m there it is |
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| 01:13.48 | v_v | how can i check if wheezy needs me to prepare an ext3 partition for grub to boot if the / is btrfs ? |
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| 01:15.25 | vatzec | Hey! I've ran apt-get dist-upgrade, and I'm getting the following error whenever I run apt-get -f install/dpkg --configure -a/apt-get upgrade/apt-get dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/VVRDc2Ld . Could you please take a look at it? (Some of the less relevant messages are in Polish) |
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| 01:17.52 | Talon_ | amphi: its nice but it also doesn't have a perminant tab bar |
| 01:19.06 | vatzec | The main error is this: # |
| 01:19.08 | vatzec | User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 137 |
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| 01:19.26 | userX | test |
| 01:19.39 | vatzec | userX: It works :-) |
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| 01:19.45 | userX | yes it does |
| 01:19.46 | peterrooney | Talon_: screen has similar functionality, though it's -not- point-n-click |
| 01:19.49 | userX | haha |
| 01:19.51 | vatzec | :-) |
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| 01:21.14 | userX | is Tux magazine still a good newbie resource even though it hasnt' published since 2007? |
| 01:21.50 | sysop3 | hi have a general question. I am running and running vlc serving some http streams. how can I announce them on the network locally? |
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| 01:26.15 | amphi | Talon_: what do you mean? |
| 01:26.41 | amphi | Talon_: you mean there is no tab bar if you have only one tab? |
| 01:26.48 | Talon_ | correct |
| 01:27.13 | Talon_ | i want like firefox has, always show tab bar, lil + beside the last tab for new tab |
| 01:27.52 | Talon_ | i think there was one in kde that did it |
| 01:29.12 | MrFrood | Talon_: urxvt can be set to show tabs |
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| 01:30.18 | MrFrood | though it is not the default configuration |
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| 01:31.47 | MrFrood | personally I prefer to use gnu screen |
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| 01:34.32 | amphi | Talon_: mrxvt perhaps |
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| 01:39.13 | antivigilante | does debian have a fix for the memcpy memmove glibc bug? even Linus jumped in the discussion now |
| 01:39.19 | antivigilante | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638477 |
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| 01:40.15 | antivigilante | my comp will implode if i revert |
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| 01:42.30 | Big_Brother | i need a bit of help getting this eMachines box online- the switch and nic say there's a connection but debian doesn't see a connection at all. |
| 01:42.38 | Big_Brother | debian squeeze* |
| 01:44.00 | Talon_ | Big_Brother: you su'd or have sudo installed? try ifconfig -a |
| 01:44.10 | Talon_ | should list what network controllers are installed |
| 01:45.02 | Talon_ | I went thru this gettin my wireless working. I had to "dhclient eth0" so it would connect to the network with dhcp so i could get out on the net to install my wireless drivers |
| 01:45.30 | Big_Brother | hmm |
| 01:45.58 | Big_Brother | 'ifconfig -a' gets me both 'eth0' and 'lo' |
| 01:46.02 | Talon_ | th |
| 01:46.06 | Talon_ | k |
| 01:46.11 | Big_Brother | but 'ifconfig' alone only gets me 'lo' |
| 01:46.14 | Talon_ | lo is loopback or "localhost" |
| 01:46.24 | Talon_ | cause only lo is "connected" |
| 01:46.44 | Big_Brother | ok, how do i get eth0 connected? |
| 01:46.49 | Talon_ | so, eth0 is a wired-based network that needs assigned by dhcp? |
| 01:46.51 | Big_Brother | and connected by default. |
| 01:47.06 | Big_Brother | there's no DHCP as far as i know. |
| 01:47.14 | Talon_ | you have a router? |
| 01:47.29 | Big_Brother | everything is connected through a unmanaged switch. |
| 01:47.33 | Big_Brother | for the cable? yes |
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| 01:48.20 | Talon_ | well somethings assigning ip's if your sharing the net or something, one machine/router is usually running a dhcp server to automatically assign ips to connected clients |
| 01:48.45 | Talon_ | I'd try that dchclient eth0 |
| 01:48.49 | Talon_ | err |
| 01:48.55 | Talon_ | dhclient eth0 |
| 01:49.23 | Talon_ | once your on the net, what I did was install network manager so it handles the rest for me but i'm a gui user :) |
| 01:49.49 | Big_Brother | i am too. |
| 01:50.21 | Big_Brother | but i usually use a netinst so as not to burn DVDs and have them degrade from never being used again. |
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| 01:50.45 | Big_Brother | hmm |
| 01:50.51 | Talon_ | I always install from a cd but just cause netinstall is way too slow for me. |
| 01:50.58 | Big_Brother | hoq do i install a desktop environment ? |
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| 01:51.44 | Talon_ | I've never done any net-install, maybe someone who has knows? I had the choice on the cd in both text-install and gui-install |
| 01:52.00 | Big_Brother | oh |
| 01:52.02 | Big_Brother | no |
| 01:52.08 | Big_Brother | i installed the base system |
| 01:52.33 | Talon_ | oh wow so you have like nothing :P I did that my first run |
| 01:53.08 | Big_Brother | hrmmm |
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| 01:53.39 | MrFrood | Big_Brother: when you say the base system did you tick any of the boxes for the extra bits? |
| 01:53.52 | Talon_ | best thing i could suggest is "aptitude" and look for some (i think) virtual packages |
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| 01:54.28 | Big_Brother | MrFrood, there was 'base system' and 'ssh server' only since i couldn't connect to the net initially. |
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| 01:55.25 | thepro4ever | how do i do a grep on my past commands |
| 01:55.41 | thepro4ever | i am trying to find a command i ran a few weeks ago |
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| 01:57.21 | MrFrood | you should at least select "standard" at the package selection dialog |
| 01:57.50 | Big_Brother | MrFrood, it was a netinstall without access to the internet- that option wasn't available. |
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| 01:58.34 | MrFrood | why a netinstall if you have no internet? |
| 01:58.52 | Big_Brother | how do you think i'm talking to you right now? |
| 01:58.55 | MrFrood | you need CD1 |
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| 01:59.06 | Talon_ | thats how i installed, CD1 |
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| 02:00.08 | MrFrood | CD1 is not a net install and would allow the selection the the "standard" package without the internet |
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| 02:00.52 | magizian | If you want instructions for setting up any of this stuff on debian, msg me.. stuff -> magizian.hopto.org |
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| 02:01.36 | peterrooney | Big_Brother: try running tasksel |
| 02:01.44 | MrFrood | standard, will give a command line install with all the basic tools such as dhcp |
| 02:02.16 | prince_jammys | notices that bash in squeeze has net redirections enabled, and wonders how long it's been this way. |
| 02:03.02 | MrFrood | uses ksh and wonders what this bash thing is? |
| 02:03.07 | Big_Brother | MrFrood, find me "CD1" of Debian Squeeze. |
| 02:03.09 | prince_jammys | .. though my README.Debian hasn't been updated to reflect the change |
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| 02:05.11 | MrFrood | Big_Brother: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 02:06.18 | Big_Brother | thanks |
| 02:07.30 | xk | gotta love example commands. 1) the example is incomplete 2) the example is fucked. |
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| 02:08.19 | magizian | hehe man pages don't always help. |
| 02:08.27 | xk | blog pages are the worse |
| 02:08.34 | xk | "omg, look a this example." |
| 02:09.11 | xk | like... how hard is it to setup source based routing, heh. |
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| 02:13.31 | MrFrood | xk: what are you having an issue with? |
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| 02:15.22 | xk | MrFrood: trying to formulate a set of commands that will give me source-based routing. |
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| 02:18.41 | MrFrood | xk: Something I know nothing about, but a clearly defined question is more likely to get a answer |
| 02:19.10 | xk | dont worry. i'm going back to the drawing board and ignore the crappy examples |
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| 02:23.34 | xk | woop! it works! |
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| 02:33.51 | peterS | hmmm so 'iceweasel -no-remote' says 'Iceweasel is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Iceweasel process, or restart your system.' how do I _really_ open a new instance of iceweasel? |
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| 02:34.35 | xemacs4321 | pkill iceweasel |
| 02:34.46 | peterS | xemacs4321: well, that would kill my existing instance. I don't want that. |
| 02:35.02 | peterS | I want a second instance, like what '-no-remote' is documented to do in 'iceweasel -help' |
| 02:35.11 | xemacs4321 | then use kill signal somepid |
| 02:35.24 | peterS | I don't want to kill anything. I want two instances. |
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| 02:35.49 | xemacs4321 | dont know about -no-remote |
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| 02:36.05 | peterS | xemacs4321: I don't either, except for what 'iceweasel -help' says it does |
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| 02:37.17 | Altrix | Hi guys, does debian have the same problem as ubuntu were half the updates fail? If so.. what can I use that dosn't? |
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| 02:37.41 | zen_monkey | what kind of fail? |
| 02:37.48 | peterS | Altrix: your question is too vague. my updates don't generally fail. yours might. it all depends on what you mean by "fail" and what you are actually doing |
| 02:37.58 | Altrix | 10.04 -10.10 etc.. |
| 02:38.09 | Altrix | version upgrades mainly.. |
| 02:38.16 | peterS | yeah but what does "fail" mean? |
| 02:38.18 | prince_jammys | peterS: hrm, over here (squeeze) i can open another iceweasel window just by invoking it with no otions. |
| 02:38.27 | prince_jammys | *options |
| 02:38.30 | peterS | prince_jammys: sure but it's controlled by the same process |
| 02:38.31 | Altrix | system no longer boots |
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| 02:38.37 | prince_jammys | peterS: ah |
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| 02:38.47 | Altrix | and you have to either flatten it or live cd |
| 02:38.52 | prince_jammys | peterS: -no-remote does give me the error you said |
| 02:39.09 | crapeau | Altrix: never happenned since 3.0 uot o 5.0 |
| 02:39.24 | crapeau | up to, i mean |
| 02:39.30 | Altrix | k |
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| 02:39.34 | Altrix | that's good |
| 02:40.18 | peterS | Altrix: even "system no longer boots" is vague. it can mean the boot loader fails to load the kernel, the kernel fails to mount the root filesystem, the X server fails to bring up a login screen, or many other things. |
| 02:40.38 | Altrix | kernal fails.. |
| 02:40.40 | peterS | (technically the X server failure wouldn't be a "failure to boot", but many people would refer to it as such) |
| 02:40.57 | crapeau | Altrix: how did you update, from gui or cli |
| 02:41.06 | Altrix | gui |
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| 02:41.31 | Altrix | probllem is easily fixed however just very annoying.. |
| 02:41.54 | crapeau | Altrix: so no error messages be 4 rebooting, i guess |
| 02:42.00 | Altrix | nope |
| 02:42.07 | peterS | anyway ... Debian has a better track record than Ubuntu for in-place upgrades. But whether a given upgrade will be successful still depends to some degree on how complex your system setup is and how skilled you are at noticing things that, if not fixed, will cause it to fail |
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| 02:42.55 | crapeau | Altrix: so canonical is following the same business model than m$, reinstall every 6 months |
| 02:43.23 | Altrix | just a plain system with codecs (mp3 etc), Skype, Supertu, open office and a webrowser... |
| 02:43.40 | Altrix | no customization / special requirments |
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| 02:44.46 | Altrix | yes it's very annoying, I wish they were a bit more stable :? |
| 02:44.48 | Altrix | :/ |
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| 02:45.57 | crapeau | Altrix: want stability, then go 4 Debian, unless you need bleeding edge stuff |
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| 02:46.38 | Altrix | Is ther a downlaad manager for Debian? |
| 02:47.00 | Altrix | to Download the packets on another system, then install? |
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| 02:48.10 | crapeau | Altrix: You want to download packages to a remot system and then install?? |
| 02:49.08 | Altrix | no, a local system then burn to CD/DVD |
| 02:49.30 | Altrix | as last time i looked the ISO was rather..... large.... |
| 02:49.36 | peterS | there is 'apt-zip', written a very long time ago (when zip drives were still common!), but I've never tried it. |
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| 02:49.46 | Altrix | k |
| 02:49.48 | Altrix | nm |
| 02:49.55 | Altrix | I will just wait for the ISO |
| 02:50.07 | Altrix | thanks guys |
| 02:50.15 | Tiffy | Altrix: If you can install via network the netinst image is significantly smaller. |
| 02:50.27 | Tiffy | ~150MB |
| 02:50.31 | Altrix | mm |
| 02:50.32 | Altrix | k |
| 02:50.35 | Tiffy | or even ~50MB for the smaller one |
| 02:50.49 | Altrix | wow that is small |
| 02:50.53 | peterS | looks like someone has updated the apt-zip description to mention USB drives (: so it's really just the name that is out of date |
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| 02:51.34 | crapeau | Altrix: That is the installer only, but it is sweet |
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| 03:05.41 | xk | hmm... now how to match two different destination address with iptables. |
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| 03:17.35 | pyrohotdog | It appears my radeon xpress is working http://pastebin.com/Ldsnc8Bf but I have no 3d acceleration... |
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| 03:23.23 | pyrohotdog | Can anyone offer any assistance in setting up 3d accel...? |
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| 03:24.49 | Coweater | pyrohotdog: can you pastebin the output of xvinfo and glxinfo? |
| 03:25.34 | Coweater | also make sure libgl1-mesa-dri is installed |
| 03:25.44 | pyrohotdog | http://pastebin.com/pnzAKQu5 |
| 03:26.04 | pyrohotdog | glxinfo gives me a segmentation fault. |
| 03:26.19 | pyrohotdog | sudo glxinfo gives: "name of display: :0.0" |
| 03:26.43 | pyrohotdog | libgl1-mesa-dri is installed |
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| 03:32.48 | Coweater | is dri2 being loaded by xorg? (grep -i dri2 /var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
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| 03:33.47 | pyrohotdog | Coweater: Yes it appears so. |
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| 03:37.02 | Coweater | "export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose; glxinfo" may give some clue |
| 03:37.40 | pyrohotdog | Seg fault |
| 03:37.58 | Coweater | no extra lines like "libGL error: ..."? |
| 03:38.20 | pyrohotdog | "name of display: :0.0: then seg fault. |
| 03:39.09 | pyrohotdog | Output from dmes: http://pastebin.com/6MTZLNqN |
| 03:39.29 | pyrohotdog | *dmesg Mentions libGl.so |
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| 03:43.57 | Coweater | i'm lost, is this with fglrx or radeon driver? if it's radeon and you have had fglrx installed or it was installed it may be using a wrong library |
| 03:44.55 | pyrohotdog | I'm tackling the issue after someone else, there is chance they were both installed |
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| 03:45.07 | pyrohotdog | Which one is preferred? What should I undo? |
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| 03:51.22 | Coweater | ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.*; it should be pointing to /usr/lib/fglrx/ if you're using fglrx, i'd check that and make sure there are read permissions on that file, i use radeon, works fine for compiz/video acceleration |
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| 03:54.48 | hesco | following the recipe at: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb , I am getting as far as the SYSLINUX copyright notice by booting this server from a usb thumb drive. But it is not giving me a boot prompt. A few attempts ago, it would give me a boot: prompt, but when I hit enter, it would go no further. Any idea what I might be missing here? |
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| 03:56.53 | hesco | only instead of mounting dsl, I used this image, instead: debian-6.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 03:59.48 | pyrohotdog | I've installed ATI's driver, and it went without a hitch but I still have no 3D accel |
| 03:59.52 | hesco | I need to get a 64bit OS on this server, but my desktop runs 32bit, and so I was unable to build a 64bit on a usb mounted sata drive using a virtual machine hosted by my desktop |
| 04:02.25 | Pimpy-da-Possum | grub2 does not successfully scan FFS and UFS2 systems |
| 04:03.18 | piercedwater | Can someone suggest a tool for combining various usenet parts? I am not having much luck finding stuff for Debian. |
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| 04:05.55 | peterrooney | piercedwater: you might find ubh in oldstable (lenny) |
| 04:06.12 | piercedwater | i could try to compile if i dont |
| 04:06.16 | piercedwater | thanks |
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| 04:07.50 | Coweater | pyrohotdog: check "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.*" is pointing to the /usr/lib/fglrx.libGl.so file, and then check that there are read permissions on that file, beyond that i don't know and i have to go, read over the guide here for possible problems http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 04:10.14 | gnarface | so i debootstrapped an external harddrive (now bolted internally into another machine) and remembered to put grub on the MBR but forgot to install a kernel... easiest solution for this? (live cds all fail on this particular machine) |
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| 04:11.34 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how can I enable intel-agp, I have xserver-xorg-video-intel, so which shows i915 in lsmod. Please help me put. |
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| 04:12.27 | yagoo | arvind_khadri, lazy way.. rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf_bak , temporarily stop gdm/xdm/kdm then do X -configure, use that in /etc/X11 |
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| 04:14.36 | arvind_khadri | yagoo, I dont have any xorg.conf :) |
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| 04:14.55 | yagoo | arvind_khadri, read my previous message again. |
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| 04:15.57 | arvind_khadri | yagoo, ok, brb |
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| 04:17.39 | Rusty1 | gnarface: if grub2 see if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 helps but idk tbh |
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| 04:24.21 | gnarface | ok so i figured out how to get grub2's console to recognize my usb stick, even though i can't boot from it i can load a kernel from it i think. is there an easy way to copy a kernel for the appropriate arch to a usb stick? (other than copying my own because its amd64) |
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| 04:27.31 | Delf | When I try to start a x86 program (utserver) I get this message. etc/utorrent-server-v3_0/utserver: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:27.51 | Delf | What do I do? I'm running Debian Squeeze amd64 |
| 04:29.24 | gnarface | Delf: apt-get update && apt-get install libssl0.9.8 |
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| 04:36.12 | Delf | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/Yfh54DNR |
| 04:36.25 | arvind_khadri | yagoo, I still don't see intel_agp in my lsmod |
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| 04:38.04 | crapeau | arvind_khadri: did you tried "modprobe intel_agp" |
| 04:38.54 | arvind_khadri | crapeau, yes, which leads to saying the module is not found. |
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| 04:40.15 | gnarface | Delf: looks like you don't have a problem |
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| 04:43.16 | Delf | gnarface: What do you mean? I'm still getting "error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 04:43.51 | gnarface | Delf: well did you run ldconfig? |
| 04:44.14 | Delf | gnarface: I wasn't told to. I don't know about it either. |
| 04:44.54 | Delf | I ran ldconfig and I'm still getting the same error when I try to start the program. |
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| 04:45.39 | gnarface | Delf: this problem seems weird. something else might be wrong. did you reboot for good measure? |
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| 04:46.10 | gnarface | hey people where did the debian boot floppy go? |
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| 04:47.41 | Delf | gnarface: I haven't rebooted but I will now, just to make sure. |
| 04:47.44 | MrFrood | I think the kernel got too big |
| 04:48.32 | gnarface | MrFrood: you any good with grub? |
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| 04:49.47 | Gryllida | " license ... must be compliant to all the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG) ". Is GNU General Public License compliant? |
| 04:50.17 | gnarface | Gryllida: GPL is, yea |
| 04:50.50 | MrFrood | No, I end up swearing a lot whenever I have to mess with it :| |
| 04:50.58 | gnarface | Gryllida: at least gpl v2 is. not sure about the new one honestly but i would assume so. its the weird wanna-be free stuff you gotta watch out for |
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| 04:51.31 | Gryllida | What other licenses are compatible? (If you know) |
| 04:51.42 | gnarface | MrFrood: i'm trying to install debian onto a machine that chokes on the install cd but can't boot from usb. :( if i have to i'll pull the harddrive but i'm trying to get creative |
| 04:52.27 | gnarface | Gryllida: i don't know but i would bet they're listed on debian.org somewhere. my guess is that if you have a reason to NOT use the GPL though that reason probably means your stuff isn't free |
| 04:52.33 | MrFrood | gnarface: can you swap the hd into another machine? |
| 04:52.46 | Gryllida | gnarface, ok. That answers my question. Thank you. |
| 04:53.37 | MrFrood | thinks Freedos still do install floppies :P |
| 04:53.50 | gnarface | MrFrood: i totally did that and debootstrapped a base install into it, i even remembered to install grub on the mbr but i forgot the kernel. (*sigh*) and now i'm trying to get a kernel on there without pulling the damned harddrive again. this case is a p.i.t.a. |
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| 04:54.34 | gnarface | MrFrood: so it boots to a grub console.... now i'm just trying to figure out how to make that grub console do something useful. all the info i can find online generally assumes you have a kernel on the harddrive you can point to |
| 04:54.55 | MrFrood | for next time, get the etch install floppies and then do some dist-upgrades |
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| 04:55.05 | gnarface | an interesting notion |
| 04:55.15 | gnarface | i just wish this thing wasn't allergic to the squeeze installer |
| 04:55.22 | bgat | anyone here have an Eee PC? A 1015PEM, to be exact? I can't get WiFi to work on mine, just got it today... |
| 04:55.39 | gnarface | bgat: atheros chipset perchance? |
| 04:55.45 | bgat | ralink |
| 04:56.12 | gnarface | !ralink |
| 04:56.12 | dpkg | Ralink Technology Corp. is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for most Ralink chipsets are present in mainline Linux kernels, ask me about <rt2x00>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2860sta>, <rt2800pci> (PCI devices); <rt2870sta>, <rt2800usb> (USB devices). See also <ralink firmware>. |
| 04:56.35 | gnarface | wow it worked |
| 04:56.39 | bgat | rt3090 |
| 04:56.40 | MrFrood | bgat: tthe last time I checked I think the eee-pc had a whole page to its self on the wiki |
| 04:56.40 | gnarface | just a shot in the dark |
| 04:56.53 | bgat | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models |
| 04:56.57 | bgat | I'm looking at it now :) |
| 04:56.59 | simonrvn | gpl3 is too |
| 04:57.20 | bgat | It shows the 1015PE as being fully supported, but apparently the 1015PEM is different enough... |
| 04:58.46 | gnarface | bgat: maybe you're missing firmware that's in non-free. that's usually the case with such things |
| 04:59.18 | bgat | gnarface: that's what I'm thinking right now... trying to track it down |
| 04:59.35 | bgat | now that I know what the device is, it's a little easier to google for :) |
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| 05:01.36 | bgat | hmmm.... lshw says that it's disabled... |
| 05:02.08 | gnarface | bgat: you may have to screw with bios settings or even get a fresh bios copy (not uncommon with portables) |
| 05:02.12 | bgat | wonders how to enable it... |
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| 05:02.23 | bgat | gnarface: I hadn't thought of that... |
| 05:02.30 | gnarface | bgat: or it might just be saying that because the driver failed to find the firmware |
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| 05:05.53 | arvind_khadri | Could someone please help me with intel_agp ? |
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| 05:06.22 | gnarface | arvind_khadri: the only help i can really give you is to tell you not to use it |
| 05:06.42 | arvind_khadri | gnarface, :) why so ? |
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| 05:06.51 | gnarface | arvind_khadri: its an abomination |
| 05:07.05 | Delf | gnarface: It didn't help :( |
| 05:07.17 | gnarface | Delf: did you compile that program yourself? |
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| 05:07.32 | hesco | OK, I rebuilt my boot usb, this time adapting slightly from the instructions at: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb . Instead of mv'ing isolinux/* to the root of the usb, I only copied the isolinux.(bin|cfg) files over and renamed them. still no joy. This time I see an error reading: "Could not find kernel image. vesamenu.c32". |
| 05:07.37 | Delf | gnarface: No, I didn't. |
| 05:07.50 | arvind_khadri | gnarface, ohhh, I actually wanted to have it enabled on qemu, any idea about that ? |
| 05:08.02 | gnarface | Delf: is it the debian package? what was the name of it again? maybe its a known bug. maybe you should check the bug tracker? |
| 05:08.05 | Delf | gnarface: I have tried it on lenny and it seemed to work perfectly fine. |
| 05:08.13 | gnarface | arvind_khadri: oh wow yea sorry i barely even know what qemu is |
| 05:08.14 | hesco | Investigating the iso, I find that at isolinux/vesamenu.c32 . I'm guessing perhaps I should copy that the root as well. |
| 05:08.26 | arvind_khadri | gnarface, ok :) |
| 05:08.29 | Delf | gnarface: It's utorrent server. http://utorrent.com |
| 05:08.33 | arvind_khadri | thanks, though :) |
| 05:08.54 | gnarface | Delf: its not a supported debian component. i would check with them and ask them why their shit is broken. |
| 05:08.55 | hesco | Also this time I copied everything at isolinux/ to syslinux/, just on a wild guess |
| 05:09.10 | gnarface | hesco: you're trying to boot a debian installer from USB? |
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| 05:09.30 | hesco | Anyone with the least bit more expereince with the installer who can advise would be appreciated. |
| 05:09.38 | hesco | gnarface: yes, true, I am |
| 05:10.03 | Delf | gnarface: It's since I installed Squeeze it stopped working. So, your saying it is the problem, not anything to do with Squeeze? |
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| 05:11.12 | gnarface | hesco: i'm about on the same page as you but i recently heard that if your system is capable of booting from USB disks directly, you can just copy the businesscard iso from here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and dd it onto the usb key directly. the new squeeze isos are hybrid usb/cdrom capable so there is supposedly few cases you'd need to go through all that manual usb boot disk creation stuff anymore |
| 05:11.12 | merma | is debian with latest chrome considered unstable? I looking for a rock solid stable distro but I want to run latest chrome and hopefully geany, gftp, banshee, xchat, gimp, nautilus, gnome ... currently I'm using linux mint for that but it crashes randomly. Will using Debian help me with stability? |
| 05:11.26 | gnarface | Delf: you mean you *upgraded* to squeeze? from what? |
| 05:12.14 | gnarface | Delf: all i'm saying is that i provided you with the only known fix for that error message |
| 05:12.23 | Delf | gnarface: I didn't upgrade. I have another box that I'm running lenny on. The new box I had Windows server on before I installed Squeeze. |
| 05:12.54 | hesco | gnarface: I need a 64bit installer, does the netinst provide that? |
| 05:12.55 | gnarface | Delf: so you installed squeeze and this utorrent whatever thing worked with the lenny box but not with squeeze? i'd check with them for a new copy |
| 05:13.03 | Delf | gnarface: Your help is appreciated :) |
| 05:13.12 | gnarface | hesco: yes look here under "small cds" or "smaller cds" http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 05:13.25 | Delf | gnarface: Exactly. |
| 05:13.48 | hesco | apparently so: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:14.01 | gnarface | hesco: looks right |
| 05:14.01 | hesco | thanks gnarface, if this does not work, I will try that next. |
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| 05:15.20 | gnarface | hesco: i think you can use dd, cp or cat even to copy it to the usb key but to write you the specific command i'd have to know your file locations and dev nodes. warning it will wipe out EVERYTHING on that usb key |
| 05:16.42 | gnarface | now if only someone could help me with my own problem... installing debian squeeze to a machine that is allergic to the cd (io locks instantly) and can't boot from usb |
| 05:17.11 | hesco | sorry, would not know how to help you there. |
| 05:17.33 | gnarface | i probably should just pull the drive again but i'm tired of doing that and as an academic pursuit i just really want to know how to accomplish this without that, in an age where even debian no longer has a boot floppy |
| 05:17.37 | hesco | I suspect I can figure out a dd, cat or cp command. |
| 05:17.43 | Ogmios | gnarface: try netboot with another machime? |
| 05:17.58 | MrFrood | etch floppies - standard command line install, dist-upgrade to lenny and then squeeze and then run taskselect |
| 05:18.08 | gnarface | yuck and yuck |
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| 05:18.21 | gnarface | here's what i want ideally: i want someone to tell me how to make this grub prompt do something useful |
| 05:18.23 | MrFrood | don't knock it, it works |
| 05:19.08 | gnarface | MrFrood: so does pulling out the harddrive :( as long as you remember to install a kernel before you bolt it back in... |
| 05:20.30 | gnarface | MrFrood: also one day floppies and etch will both be gone, and i will still want to shoehorn linux on to this thing |
| 05:20.51 | MrFrood | you could always just switch to freedos that way you won't have to worry about grub :P |
| 05:20.55 | gnarface | is sick of debian installs requiring a screwdriver |
| 05:21.38 | Ogmios | gnarface: netboot beats swapping drives |
| 05:21.45 | MrFrood | gnarface: the debian archives have a complete history of debian |
| 05:22.03 | gnarface | *sigh* good points |
| 05:23.39 | MrFrood | gnarface: isn't there a network install thing? |
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| 05:24.06 | gnarface | MrFrood, Ogmios you mean like pxe boot or some tftp nonsense? |
| 05:24.20 | Ogmios | pxe |
| 05:24.23 | Ogmios | yeah |
| 05:24.45 | gnarface | hate it |
| 05:24.49 | MrFrood | something like that, don't know anything about it but it rings a dim bell |
| 05:24.49 | _pingu | http://pastebin.com/hbFPFSqB What does this tell you?? It comes sometimes in a mass test. |
| 05:25.15 | _pingu | sorry, wrong channel |
| 05:26.32 | Ogmios | i have used it, even had a windows machine host and it wasnt bad. beats your alternatives, but that is of course my opinion |
| 05:27.21 | hesco | gnarface: suppose this is close? dd bs=1024k count=168 if=/home/hesco/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc1 |
| 05:27.34 | hesco | I'm unsure about the block size and count |
| 05:28.18 | gnarface | hesco: i haven't needed either for years. i just do dd if=[iso file] of=[dev node] |
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| 05:28.57 | hesco | really? ok, will try that. thanks. |
| 05:29.11 | gnarface | hesco: keep in mind that if is the full path to the file name (you got that right) but of is the usb *device* not a partition thereof (you got that wrong i think you want /dev/sdc not /dev/sdc1) since the iso contains its own partition map |
| 05:30.01 | hesco | right, thanks for noticing that |
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| 05:30.46 | Talon_ | is there a simple way to fix my grub2 boot menu? it has three choices, the first two are Debian Squeeze, (i think ones recovery or something) and the last ones "Windows Vista Loader" but its windows 7 not vista :/ |
| 05:31.01 | Ogmios | ooh ipv6, fqncy |
| 05:31.11 | gnarface | hesco: just make damned sure sdc is the right device... you don't want to overwrite one of your own drives doing this. |
| 05:31.16 | Ogmios | fancy rather |
| 05:32.09 | hesco | sweet, when I did of=/dev/sda1 it completed in 17 seconds. when I wrote to the device instead of the partition, it took 52 seconds. Both times, w/ no bs= or count= it seemed to know when to quit data dumping. |
| 05:32.52 | hesco | I did that with the thumb drive mounted, but that does not seem right for dd. Is it? |
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| 05:33.45 | gnarface | hesco: if you only downloaded the businesscard iso for example its only 40 mb... and the netinstall is only like 180... if you have usb2.0 and a non-crappy usb card i don't think that's unrealistic |
| 05:34.23 | hesco | what about whether it ought to be mounted while dd'ing to it? |
| 05:34.43 | gnarface | hesco: for example my old 2gb usb key (the HAL one from thinkgeek) only takes 30.9789 seconds to dd the businesscard iso to it |
| 05:34.49 | gnarface | hesco: oh, you should NOT be mounted |
| 05:35.40 | hesco | that is what I thought, trying this again then. |
| 05:35.53 | Ogmios | Talon_: /boot/grub/, menu is in tbere. you can edit it and then yu have to commit it |
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| 05:38.50 | hesco | any need to do the syslinux on the device when its all said and done? |
| 05:39.19 | gnarface | hesco: i would assume that is part of the iso |
| 05:39.24 | gnarface | hesco: so in other words, no |
| 05:39.55 | hesco | that went to grub on the nard drive, meaning the thumb drive did not boot |
| 05:40.27 | hesco | never mind, it booted the thumb drive apparently, on my second try. |
| 05:40.42 | hesco | I got the Debian 6 installer screen !!! |
| 05:41.05 | Talon_ | Ogmios: ah i think i found it, I have a "/etc/grub.d/30_otheros" in which it says ' menuentry "Windows Vista (loader)" { ' |
| 05:41.23 | gnarface | hesco: hooraaay! |
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| 05:41.54 | Ogmios | Talon_: is it also in /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 05:42.05 | Talon_ | i don't have a menu.lst there |
| 05:42.22 | Ogmios | oh |
| 05:42.31 | Talon_ | /exec -o ls /boot/grub/menu* |
| 05:42.34 | Talon_ | crap |
| 05:42.48 | Talon_ | ls: cannot access menu*: No such file or directory |
| 05:43.10 | gnarface | Ogmios: i think menu.lst is an old grub 1 thing. grub2 has a different config structure entirely |
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| 05:43.21 | hesco | how about you? are you pursuing that boot floppy, dist-upgrade strategy which was mentioned here a few minutes ago? |
| 05:44.06 | gnarface | hesco: i'm still trying to figure if there is a way to get grub to chainload the installer from usb, if it doesn't freeze like the cdrom then maybe i can use rescue mode |
| 05:44.07 | Ogmios | gnarface: oh, well see there. i am behind the timrs. thanks gnar |
| 05:44.45 | Ogmios | i guess i am still rolling with grub1 |
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| 05:46.25 | Ogmios | at least i wasnt giving lilo instructions |
| 05:47.30 | hesco | I'm being warned that I need tigon/tg3_tso.bin. Once I find that, how do I add that to the iso on the usb? Can I simply mount the usb and cp the missing firmware onto the disk? And if so, at what path should I drop it in? |
| 05:48.12 | Talon_ | gonna see if this changed now |
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| 05:51.57 | hesco | It vetches at me: Cannot write to `firmware-linux-nonfree_0.29_all.deb' (Read-only file system). |
| 05:52.47 | hesco | it gives me the same complaint when I try to chmod u+w on that directory |
| 05:53.06 | hesco | I'm guessing that is the iso which is the read-only file system. |
| 05:53.16 | Ogmios | did you mount it with the write flags? |
| 05:53.22 | hesco | any ideas how to get this onto the usb |
| 05:53.28 | hesco | no, I did not. |
| 05:53.37 | hesco | not sure how I would do that |
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| 05:54.00 | Talon_ | sweet, my grub menus fixed :) |
| 05:54.35 | hesco | apparently with -o rw or simply -w |
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| 05:55.44 | Ogmios | hesco: yeah |
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| 05:56.24 | Ogmios | Talon_: you just thabged that file and that was it? |
| 05:56.34 | Ogmios | changed? |
| 05:56.47 | Talon_ | yea, changed, saved, sudo grup-update and i was good to go |
| 05:57.02 | Talon_ | grub* |
| 05:57.04 | Ogmios | cool |
| 06:00.02 | hesco | Ogmios: thanks, but that did not work so well: |
| 06:00.02 | hesco | mount -t iso9660 -o rw /dev/sdc1 thumb |
| 06:00.02 | hesco | gives me same (Read-only file system) error when I run: |
| 06:00.04 | hesco | wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.29_all.deb |
| 06:00.41 | gnarface | i thought it was -o loop |
| 06:00.49 | gnarface | if you're mounting an iso from your own harddrive |
| 06:00.59 | gnarface | and you make sure you've modprobed the loop module |
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| 06:01.11 | hesco | thanks, will try that |
| 06:02.11 | hesco | gnarface: -o loop gives me same error again |
| 06:02.16 | gnarface | weird |
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| 06:02.40 | Talon_ | oh sweet, i wonder if thats a bug or something in compiz. when watching flash videos fullscreen if i switched to another program on my 2nd monitor, the video would kick out of fullscreen. now that I used compiz to play with some effects, flash videos stay fullscreen even if i mess with another app on a 2nd monitor. |
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| 06:03.06 | Talon_ | if its a bug i hope they don't fix it lol |
| 06:03.20 | gnarface | a bug in compiz and/or flash? i'm shocked i tell you! shocked! |
| 06:04.55 | Talon_ | grr, time to modify my *.policy files for polkit-1... that password crap for mounting a drive irritates me |
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| 06:11.09 | hesco | ok, I used cfdisk to add an additional partition to the usb past the iso from which I'm installing. |
| 06:11.40 | hesco | and then wget to grab the non-free firmware and put it on that disk. |
| 06:11.55 | hesco | next to figure out how to access that during the installation. |
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| 06:12.45 | Hydroxide | hesco: I think joey hess did a blog on that. (you can follow a link to his blog from http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 06:12.56 | Hydroxide | ) |
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| 06:14.39 | hesco | thanks Hydroxide. Looking for that now |
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| 06:20.27 | hesco | so I mounted my second thumb drive partition and found my non-free firware, but am told that dpkg is not available in the installer ??? |
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| 06:24.11 | Hydroxide | hesco: where are you trying to run dpkg directly? and yeah, it uses udpkg, a trimmed-down version of dpkg. you shouldn't have to install the firmware directly, the installer should notice it. |
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| 06:32.34 | mihkel | hi. how to find out what are these "default" mount options for my hdd-s |
| 06:32.35 | hesco | Hydroxide: even if I put it on a distinct partition from the usb partition where I copied the installation iso ??? |
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| 06:34.40 | mihkel | aah. cat /proc/mounts |
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| 06:36.26 | sacarasc | When adding a new repo to the sources list, do you have to do anything to make it work, or can you apt-get install straight from it? |
| 06:36.39 | hesco | apt-get update first |
| 06:36.47 | sacarasc | Thanks. |
| 06:37.12 | hesco | that will seed its understanding of what is available to it and where it can be found |
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| 06:47.41 | hesco | If I intend to run KVM and am now installing the host machine, does it make sense to install a mail server here on the host? Or should I let a guest vm handle that? I'm guessing sshd, postfix and bind might make sense on my host machine, but I have no experience with KVM and would appreciate guidance here. |
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| 07:00.50 | hesco | g'night all. |
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| 07:11.46 | paolosca | Hi... I see both openoffice and libreoffice in debian repos, which one should I install? Will openoffice be abandoned in favor of libreoffice in the future or they will be both supported? |
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| 07:14.47 | valdyn | paolosca: only debian/stable is supported |
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| 07:19.30 | paolosca | valdyn: Thanks. |
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| 07:30.50 | bolt | hesco: having a dedicated mail server makes sense to me. you often want quotas, some special hack for stuff to work, users who aren't elsewhere and such. if you're setting up a bunch of kvm machines anyway, why not take it all the way? |
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| 07:36.06 | bolt | well, "why not" anwers itself in the administration overhead, i suppose... depends what you want, really |
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| 07:44.25 | Shadur | Argh. Right now sid nvidia-glx is uninstallable due to a dependency error with the X API, but trying to get it to downgrade to testing with aptitude reinstall ~i breaks on grub-common somehow. |
| 07:46.20 | bolt | when testing is a downgrade, you're pretty much out of luck :) |
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| 07:48.58 | Talon_ | sids the new testing right? wheezy/sid ? |
| 07:49.06 | Shadur | sid is always unstable. |
| 07:49.10 | Talon_ | now that "squeeze" is stable |
| 07:49.51 | Shadur | And yeah, serves me right for trying to install sid to a brand new system when I already knew it was having some issues with nvidia-glx at the moment. |
| 07:49.52 | Talon_ | just wondering cause i run squeeze and I have nvidia-glx installed, compiz works, got both my monitors configured as a seperate x session, etc.. I had no troubles |
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| 07:50.39 | Talon_ | must be a really new nvidia card or something :) |
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| 07:52.03 | Shadur | Talon_: It's not a problem with the card. It's the problem that the current sid version of nvidia-glx conflicts with the new xorg ABI introduced in the latest xorg update. |
| 07:52.34 | Talon_ | ah |
| 07:52.56 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how can I have intel_agp? |
| 07:53.23 | Big_Brother | how would i find a keyboard on the parallel port? |
| 07:53.28 | Shadur | Right now my options are 1) reinstall to testing and try to keep as many of my settings intact; 2) manually install a bunch of packages that aren't even in experimental yet; 3) wait for them to migrate through experimental and into sid before having a working X setup again. |
| 07:53.58 | Shadur | arvind_khadri: Make sure it's included in the kernel config, either as module or builtin. If you have hardware that uses it, it should get loaded automatically. |
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| 07:54.44 | Talon_ | Big_Brother: did you ever get a GUI figured out? |
| 07:54.55 | hogren | hello world |
| 07:55.21 | Big_Brother | yes, Talon_. |
| 07:55.24 | arvind_khadri | Shadur, I have i915 running, I tried modprobe intel_agp, but it says no such module, I have tried adding it to initramfs, but doesnt help. Also I see when googling something called agpart. |
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| 07:55.46 | Big_Brother | i did as that one guy suggested and downloaded the first CD and used that.` |
| 07:56.05 | Talon_ | yea thats how i did it too |
| 07:56.45 | hogren | I have a problem : I am on a Debian (6) machine, I want to ping many windows machine (bash script) with the netbios name, but for many address, it's works, and for others, it's don't work, the error is "ping: unknown host...". Please hel me :) |
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| 07:57.49 | Shadur | arvind_khadri: agpgart is the module you need, I think. |
| 07:58.16 | Shadur | hogren: "unknown host" means that it can't resolve the hostname to an IP address using name resolution. |
| 07:58.37 | hogren | yes I supposed |
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| 07:59.05 | arvind_khadri | Shadur, I don't see it either when I do lsmod agpgart and modprobing it says module not found, I am on squeeze and have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed |
| 07:59.15 | Shadur | hogren: That means that it checked /etc/hosts, then queried the servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf and got no answer. |
| 07:59.18 | Big_Brother | Talon_, as it turns out, i did not get my networking issue fixed. |
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| 08:00.13 | hogren | wait (thx for help) |
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| 08:01.44 | Talon_ | Big_Brother: did you try what I did to get mine working? |
| 08:01.52 | hogren | files are good |
| 08:01.55 | Big_Brother | dhclient eth0 |
| 08:01.56 | Big_Brother | ? |
| 08:02.20 | Talon_ | yea to tell eth0 to attempt to find the dhcp server and get an ip assigned |
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| 08:02.29 | Big_Brother | i did. |
| 08:02.48 | Talon_ | ifconfig still showed only lo afterwards? |
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| 08:03.03 | Big_Brother | i thought it was doing something for a bit... and then succeded with no confirmation- but nothing actually happened. |
| 08:03.15 | hogren | shadur > files are ok |
| 08:03.43 | Big_Brother | actually, ifconfig shows eth0 now. |
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| 08:03.56 | Big_Brother | but i can't get online via Epiphany. |
| 08:04.15 | Talon_ | whats it report? |
| 08:04.24 | Talon_ | any rx tx packets sent/rcvd ? |
| 08:05.01 | Talon_ | does it show it having an ipv[4/6] address? |
| 08:05.04 | Big_Brother | rx:82.2KiB/tx:4.1KiB |
| 08:05.16 | Talon_ | well its communicating then |
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| 08:06.32 | Big_Brother | hm |
| 08:06.36 | arvind_khadri | Shadur, looks like a bug, even Ubuntu guys complain of it. It seems to be fixed though |
| 08:06.55 | Big_Brother | 'lo' shows 80.3KiB for both TX/RX, Talon_. |
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| 08:07.38 | Talon_ | lo is loopback, a dummy controller for anything local, like http://localhost or something similar, local requests utilize "lo" |
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| 08:11.25 | Talon_ | how does it get the net anyways? you confused me last time about just having like a hub |
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| 08:13.21 | Shadur | hogren: I'm sure the files are fine, but if the host you're trying to ping isn't mentioned in there you'll get the 'host not found' message anyway |
| 08:13.31 | Big_Brother | Talon_: computer -> unmanaged switch -> cable router/modem -> internets |
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| 08:14.16 | Talon_ | so the switch is getting the internet directly connecting to a port on the router, which should be going into the switches uplink to share to the rest of the ports? |
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| 08:15.11 | Big_Brother | uplink? |
| 08:15.26 | Big_Brother | there's no designated 'uplink' on the switch. |
| 08:15.46 | Talon_ | cat your /etc/resolv.conf, does it have any nameserver entries outside of "127.0.0.1" ? |
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| 08:16.30 | Big_Brother | no such file or directory. |
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| 08:17.12 | Talon_ | hmm |
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| 08:18.18 | Talon_ | Big_Brother: will you try http://72.14.204.103/ to test if maybe you just have no dns entries to resolve domains? that should kick you to google |
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| 08:20.13 | Big_Brother | 'Unable to load page = problem occurred while loading the URL http://72.14.204.103/' |
| 08:20.30 | Talon_ | darn, hmm. |
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| 08:22.23 | arvind_khadri | Shadur, Umm, is it bothering if I chat with you? |
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| 08:23.07 | Talon_ | Big_Brother: is the computer your using now to talk here on the same switch as your debian machine? |
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| 08:23.18 | Big_Brother | yup |
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| 08:24.16 | Talon_ | so obviously the routers handling connections from the switch.. I'm lost.. unless your lacking some kinda proprietary driver for your particular LAN's chipset which is non-free and can't be included with a distribution CD. |
| 08:25.04 | Talon_ | kinda like my wireless was and i had to get online first from my wired before i could get wireless going. |
| 08:25.38 | Big_Brother | Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ |
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| 08:26.51 | Talon_ | during your install from CD1 did it tell you about proprietary drivers needed that you could load from an alternate cd? |
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| 08:27.28 | Shadur | arvind_khadri: Yes, and it won't make me respond any quicker; I'm up to my elbows in trying to get my own system working right now so I can only spare the occasional glance here. |
| 08:27.46 | Big_Brother | no, it said i could load more stuff from other CDs at one point and that's it. |
| 08:27.58 | arvind_khadri | Shadur, oh ok, thanks anyways. :) |
| 08:29.20 | Big_Brother | i think i found a fix, brb. Talon_. |
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| 08:30.18 | Fisherman | I get this error message in update manager: "Downloading list of changes failed." |
| 08:30.38 | Fisherman | I can update and all, but I can't see what the updates are for |
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| 08:30.47 | Talon_ | any more details than that? |
| 08:31.04 | Fisherman | do you want my sources.list? |
| 08:31.11 | Fisherman | i believe it's my sources.list |
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| 08:32.07 | Talon_ | sure i'll look at it, prolly one of them are failing to resolve |
| 08:32.11 | Fisherman | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib |
| 08:32.12 | Fisherman | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free |
| 08:32.13 | Fisherman | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free main contrib |
| 08:32.13 | Fisherman | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free main contrib |
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| 08:32.16 | Talon_ | oh lol |
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| 08:32.26 | Fisherman | damnit |
| 08:32.28 | Fisherman | sorry |
| 08:32.29 | Talon_ | shoulda pastebinned it :P |
| 08:32.31 | Big_Brother | Talon_: http://www.question-defense.com/2010/06/03/ubuntu-10-4-eth0-not-available-rtl-81398139c8139c-rev-10 |
| 08:32.41 | Fisherman | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free |
| 08:32.41 | Fisherman | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free main contrib |
| 08:32.41 | Fisherman | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free main contrib |
| 08:32.42 | Fisherman | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 08:32.48 | Big_Brother | FAIL |
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| 08:33.17 | Big_Brother | Fisherman: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 08:33.17 | Fisherman | lol i suck |
| 08:33.24 | Big_Brother | before anything happens again. |
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| 08:33.41 | Talon_ | yea submit it to a pastebin and tell us the posted link |
| 08:33.44 | Fisherman | http://paste.debian.net/110836/ |
| 08:34.04 | Fisherman | dpkg said you could do /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:34.04 | dpkg | Fisherman: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:34.29 | Big_Brother | lol |
| 08:34.29 | Fisherman | I removed the comments, btw |
| 08:34.34 | Big_Brother | dat clever bot. |
| 08:35.14 | Talon_ | only thing i see that might be wrong compared to my sources.list is entry #3 |
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| 08:36.10 | Talon_ | mines deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 08:36.44 | Talon_ | same identical line if you want the deb-src |
| 08:37.34 | Fisherman | I changed the order at the end of line |
| 08:37.55 | Talon_ | and I do not have the cdn.debian.net entry, did you add that yourself? |
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| 08:38.03 | Fisherman | yes |
| 08:38.10 | Fisherman | I added all sources |
| 08:38.30 | Fisherman | because something went wrong when I installed, didnt have any sources except from cd |
| 08:38.40 | jelly-home | Fisherman: there's no need to have both cdn.* and a normal mirror line at the same time |
| 08:38.55 | jelly-home | but it shouldn't hurt |
| 08:39.23 | sidh | Greetings |
| 08:39.24 | Fisherman | ok I commented it out too |
| 08:39.40 | Fisherman | hmm |
| 08:39.42 | Fisherman | it still fails |
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| 08:39.53 | jelly-home | what exactly does? |
| 08:40.16 | jelly-home | pastebin the whole output of an aptitude update or apt-get update |
| 08:40.33 | Fisherman | aptitude update works fine |
| 08:40.47 | Fisherman | I just can't get the list of changes in update manager |
| 08:40.57 | jelly-home | oh |
| 08:41.21 | jelly-home | I cannot comment on how update-manager is buggy crap... wait I just did |
| 08:41.32 | Fisherman | hehe |
| 08:42.00 | Fisherman | Can I view changes in aptitude? |
| 08:42.02 | sidh | I've recently migrated from ubuntu to debian wheezy, and I have a minor problem : I use a french setting of keyboard and before the right alt key was the meta key, and when I pressed right alt + o i had a symbole "e in o" but now i have ô, so what do i have to configure to have the original behaviour ? |
| 08:42.05 | jelly-home | Fisherman: you can install apt-listchanges and get the same changelogs when using apt-get or aptitude to upgrade pacakges |
| 08:43.20 | jelly-home | Fisherman: you can also run "aptitude changelog packagename" regardless of whether the package is installed, available for upgrade, or not |
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| 08:44.53 | Talon_ | Big_Brother: that looks like a good read, did you try it? |
| 08:45.19 | Fisherman | thanks guys |
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| 08:50.04 | Big_Brother | yeah, Talon_- aside from setting the IP manually, i did everything there... no luck. |
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| 08:50.59 | Fisherman | I tried to install something with cabal (haskell package manager). It didnt work, it expected ghc >= 7.0 or something. Debian stable has 6.12.1 |
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| 08:51.16 | Fisherman | sometimes I hate stable for being so damn stable |
| 08:51.41 | Big_Brother | Fisherman, time to add a nail. |
| 08:51.51 | Talon_ | Big_Brother: before or after you tried dhclient eth0 ? |
| 08:52.04 | Fisherman | A nail? |
| 08:52.21 | Big_Brother | after, Talon_. |
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| 08:53.29 | Big_Brother | Fisherman, in a house, adding a nail to the wall is a big thing since it damages the wood and if enough damage is done, things could happen- like telephone poles which are abused with missing/job/ads papers. |
| 08:53.39 | Talon_ | ah, try doing a ifconfig eth0 down , dhclient eth0 (check ifconfig to see if its up and if not: ifconfig eth0 up) |
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| 08:54.20 | Fisherman | oh |
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| 08:57.04 | Big_Brother | Talon_, does 'Interrupt:17 Base address:0xb000' mean anything. |
| 08:57.33 | Talon_ | no, its more a hardware thing kinda tells you where it is |
| 08:57.39 | Big_Brother | ok. |
| 08:57.44 | Talon_ | mines Interrupt:27 Base address:0x8000 |
| 08:57.53 | Big_Brother | i see... |
| 08:58.15 | Talon_ | can i see the output of your ifconfig ? |
| 08:58.43 | Big_Brother | i'd have to retype it all. :) |
| 08:58.50 | Talon_ | nonsense :P |
| 08:58.52 | Talon_ | pastebin it |
| 08:59.03 | Big_Brother | uhh... |
| 08:59.23 | Talon_ | oh duh |
| 08:59.27 | Talon_ | lol |
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| 08:59.34 | Big_Brother | derp. |
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| 09:03.31 | Big_Brother | imma connect this bitch through USB. >:( |
| 09:04.01 | Talon_ | lol yea once you can get networkmanager in there it'll prolly do the rest :/ i'm stumped but im no expert myself. |
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| 09:06.22 | zzzzzzzz | hi! very short question: how i upgrade from lenny to squeeze ? do i need to add some repos to the sources.list ? |
| 09:06.58 | ansgar | zzzzzzzz: Read the release notes for Squeeze: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 09:07.04 | Talon_ | zzzzzzzz: tis in the topic |
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| 09:07.50 | Big_Brother | 8 |
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| 09:09.57 | zzzzzzzz | ansgar: i just wanted to know wthat repos do i have to add to my sources.list in order to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 09:10.36 | ansgar | zzzzzzzz: Which is documented in the release notes together with the correct way to upgrade. |
| 09:10.59 | jthm | zzzzzzzzz you still need to read the relase notes |
| 09:11.26 | jthm | (and follow them) |
| 09:11.57 | Big_Brother | Talon_, well... i now have an eth1. |
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| 09:13.02 | krull | anyone got apt/preferences down to a science here? I got squeeze/wheezy/sid as a 'metadebian' source here and it works like a charm for my debian desktop |
| 09:13.04 | Talon_ | with usb? |
| 09:13.06 | Big_Brother | how would i disable eth0/lo so i can isolate eth1? |
| 09:13.11 | Big_Brother | yes, with usb. |
| 09:13.17 | Talon_ | keep lo |
| 09:13.18 | Big_Brother | my modem has a usb port. |
| 09:13.25 | Talon_ | just ifconfig eth0 down to disable it |
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| 09:13.35 | Big_Brother | i used to connect my netbook to it for the lols. |
| 09:14.09 | Talon_ | afterwards an "ifconfig" should show just eth1 and lo (if eth1 is connected) |
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| 09:17.09 | Big_Brother | hmm |
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| 09:17.32 | Big_Brother | this angers me. : |
| 09:17.37 | Big_Brother | :| |
| 09:17.47 | Talon_ | what did ifconfig show? |
| 09:17.49 | Talon_ | just lo ? |
| 09:17.55 | Big_Brother | eth1/lo |
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| 09:18.07 | Talon_ | does eth1 have an ip/subnet/etc ? |
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| 09:18.19 | Big_Brother | but i have no reason why the computer won't go to google.com or anywhere else. |
| 09:18.30 | Talon_ | did you try to dhclient eth1 ? |
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| 09:18.42 | Big_Brother | yes and yes. |
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| 09:19.24 | blackshirt | Big_Brother: maybe you need your routing table |
| 09:20.58 | Talon_ | what form of ip was assigned to eth1 ? inet? inet6? both? |
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| 09:21.13 | Big_Brother | inet6 |
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| 09:22.44 | Talon_ | what kind of ip address does the computer your using have from the swtich? |
| 09:23.01 | Talon_ | prolly ipv4 |
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| 09:23.41 | Big_Brother | yeah, ipv4. |
| 09:23.52 | Big_Brother | oh wait |
| 09:24.09 | Big_Brother | from the switch itself ? |
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| 09:24.45 | Talon_ | your using a computer now plugged into the same switch, it obviously got a random ip thru dhcp, is the ip you were assigned a v4 or v6? |
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| 09:26.02 | Big_Brother | probably ipv4. |
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| 09:26.32 | Big_Brother | the router wouldn't really know what to do with an IPv6 address. |
| 09:26.49 | Talon_ | yea i figured |
| 09:27.04 | Talon_ | but you said that eth1 has an ipv6 |
| 09:27.21 | Big_Brother | inet6 |
| 09:27.32 | Talon_ | same thing |
| 09:27.37 | Big_Brother | oh, it does look like ipv6... |
| 09:27.42 | Talon_ | inet is ipv4, inet6 is ipv6 |
| 09:27.56 | Big_Brother | huh... |
| 09:27.58 | Big_Brother | strange. |
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| 09:28.04 | Talon_ | last idea I have is to restart it all |
| 09:28.09 | Talon_ | dhclient -r | dhclient |
| 09:28.24 | Hoxzer | e |
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| 09:46.17 | lorimar | where can find man-pages for Debian in audio-files? |
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| 09:59.07 | starenka__ | hi, call me idiot, but what's happening? |
| 09:59.18 | starenka__ | Resolving dependencies... |
| 09:59.19 | starenka__ | open: 25693; closed: 36695; defer: 970; conflict: 493 |
| 09:59.23 | starenka__ | (testing) |
| 09:59.55 | blackshirt | starenka: it's aptitude process |
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| 10:00.30 | starenka__ | blackshirt: yes, i know... the question would be.. what's happening to testing? |
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| 10:02.00 | blackshirt | starenka: i don't know much detail about them technically |
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| 10:04.04 | blackshirt | starenka: is it makes you in trouble ? |
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| 10:07.39 | starenka__ | yagoo: 577 now. is it sid's or experimental packages now being translated to testing? (can't find any info concerning this). i've update && safe-upgrade yesterday and it was ~5 pkgs to update... |
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| 10:16.55 | capri | hey |
| 10:17.16 | blackshirt | hey |
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| 10:18.53 | capri | i got the following problem. im using a server with fibrechannle cards. im using also multipathing activ/passiv. if im unplugg both fc cables at the same time i could work with my debian system at all, but if i want to show the multipath conf with "multipath -ll" nothing happend. and if i insert the fc cables again into the server, the system crashes |
| 10:19.18 | capri | i got a second one, on which this works perfect and im confused whats wrong |
| 10:19.21 | ectospasm | sounds like a nasty bug |
| 10:19.28 | ectospasm | ...or faulty hardware |
| 10:19.31 | ribasushi | seen Caelum |
| 10:19.40 | ribasushi | bah no seenbot |
| 10:19.45 | simonrvn | comapre kernels, drivers, configuration |
| 10:19.53 | ectospasm | !seen Caelum |
| 10:19.54 | dpkg | caelum is currently on #debian, last said: 'poisonbit: ahh great, thank you'. |
| 10:20.02 | simonrvn | ribasushi: uh, you need the trigger |
| 10:20.28 | ribasushi | not a very useful seenbot either (doesn't show "last activity" time) |
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| 10:20.59 | capri | @simonrvn, the only different between the both servers is, that the working one uses a qlogic 2300 and the other aqlogic2400 |
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| 10:21.29 | simonrvn | no need to prefix nicks with @. it's pretty useless on irc |
| 10:21.35 | ectospasm | capri: which one crashes? |
| 10:21.44 | capri | the qlogic 2400 |
| 10:21.55 | ectospasm | capri: is it the same driver for both? |
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| 10:22.35 | capri | one moment im looking for it, but i used the standard repo driver "firmware-qlogic" |
| 10:22.52 | simonrvn | that's firmware, not driver |
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| 10:23.16 | fredrika | Guys. I'm having problems with resolving local dns. Heard it's a bug. Anyone know anything about it? |
| 10:23.22 | capri | for sure my fault |
| 10:23.28 | ectospasm | fredrika: be more specific |
| 10:23.29 | vatzec | update-grub fails with exit code 137 on my box while apt-get is trying to configure a kernel image. Do you know what's going on? |
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| 10:24.07 | capri | so, both using the following driver "QLogic Fibre Channel HBA Driver: 8.03.01-k6" |
| 10:24.23 | fredrika | ectospasm: i'm connected to a local dns server. If i do a nslookup on ie foo.bar.local i get the ip, but i can not ping foo.bar.local |
| 10:24.33 | raz | hrmm.. what's a clean way to install vim 7.2 on lenny without upgrading glibc and stuff? |
| 10:24.39 | raz | i can't see that in backports |
| 10:24.49 | fredrika | ectospasm: however, resolving ie google.com works like a charm |
| 10:25.27 | ectospasm | fredrika: that is weird |
| 10:25.39 | fredrika | ectospasm: sure is. |
| 10:25.56 | capri | ok, theres a nother different! the working server 1 got a double fibrechannelcard and the other server are using two single fc cards of the same type from qlogic |
| 10:25.57 | ectospasm | fredrika: and resolv.conf contains something you'd expect? |
| 10:26.08 | ectospasm | capri: could be a driver bug, could be bad hardware |
| 10:26.18 | fredrika | ectospasm: It does. The IP of my local dsn (main and spare) |
| 10:26.21 | ectospasm | capri: I'd use the latest driver as recommended by QLogic |
| 10:26.43 | fredrika | ectospasm: I've been talkig to google about this for hours, but he does not know this, it seems.. ;) |
| 10:27.29 | ectospasm | fredrika: do you have a search domain in resolv.conf? |
| 10:27.58 | simonrvn | capri: so it's the hardware, driver, or firmware, and a combo of those that's making it crash. do you have another working card you could put in the crashing machine? i would. |
| 10:28.51 | fredrika | ectospasm: no. should i? and if i should, what should it be set to? |
| 10:28.58 | raz | sigh |
| 10:29.01 | capri | ok thanks. i would try at first new firmware and give you a feedback :) |
| 10:29.05 | capri | need some minutes |
| 10:29.09 | raz | is there an easy way to pull the src pkg for vim 7.3 (squeeze) and compile that on lenny? |
| 10:29.21 | simonrvn | raz: backport it, or update to squeeze |
| 10:29.31 | ectospasm | fredrika: whatever your local domain is |
| 10:29.40 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 10:29.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 10:29.48 | fredrika | ectospasm: trying that.. brb |
| 10:29.53 | simonrvn | raz: change s/sid/squeeze/ as needed |
| 10:30.02 | raz | simonrvn: i've done the squeeze upgrade on 3 hosts and all of them developed serious problems (up to becoming unbootable). i'll keep critical hosts on lenny until they are decomissioned. |
| 10:30.08 | HackeMate | hello |
| 10:30.16 | HackeMate | how to clean the root password |
| 10:30.22 | ectospasm | Like mine, I have my local domain to be "local", so I have "domain local" and "search local" in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:30.24 | raz | however i need at least *some* stuff (like my editor) in a half-recent version.. i'm a bit baffled there's no backport of vim (of all things) |
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| 10:30.28 | HackeMate | restart holding a key, then enter in text mode? |
| 10:30.51 | simonrvn | !ifrp |
| 10:30.51 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 10:30.53 | ectospasm | HackeMate: are you already logged in as root? |
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| 10:31.11 | raz | simonrvn: thx for the backport info |
| 10:31.19 | HackeMate | no, i opened the normal session and when i try to install a certificate for the wifi it ask for admin password |
| 10:31.21 | HackeMate | and noone know it |
| 10:31.23 | ectospasm | HackeMate: or boot into single user mode |
| 10:32.13 | ectospasm | (add "single" to the end of the boot command (instead of init=/bin/sh)"). Unless that doesn't work for Debian |
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| 10:32.24 | ectospasm | I'm really not too familiar with Debian (yet) |
| 10:32.50 | simonrvn | it does |
| 10:33.02 | raz | !bdo |
| 10:33.02 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 10:33.07 | simonrvn | it's linux (or bsd) based. |
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| 10:34.08 | fredrika_ | ectospasm: no luck... |
| 10:34.46 | fredrika_ | ectospasm: it is really strange, this one |
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| 10:34.57 | simonrvn | raz: mind sharing what was the upgrade problem? |
| 10:35.00 | ectospasm | fredrika_: is your DHCP server also your DNS? Perhaps you're not setting the domain properly from DHCP? |
| 10:35.31 | fredrika_ | ectospasm: nope, completley different |
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| 10:36.25 | simonrvn | keeps forgetting to set the seq numbers in pgsql when he migrates stuff |
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| 10:40.17 | raz | simonrvn: straightforward md-raid mirror became unbootable and required *serious* futzing to recover (the grub updater got confused, replaced device names with uuids and such). host2 was a xen kernel and lost all networking and probably more (i didn't even investigate this one, just scrapped it). host3 seems to be "relatively" well, but dumps strange udev errors, i still have to look at that more. |
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| 10:41.05 | raz | i'm most definitely not trying the upgrade on a production host ;) |
| 10:41.22 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:41.34 | simonrvn | grub1 to 2 ? |
| 10:41.51 | simonrvn | (it's rather fragile IME...) |
| 10:41.52 | raz | iirc yes |
| 10:42.29 | raz | it's been a few weeks ago, all i remember is that i tried to pick the safest options.. which turned out not safe enough |
| 10:42.45 | raz | had a not-so-funny long night with lots of initrd rebuilding and hair pulling |
| 10:42.55 | simonrvn | meh :( |
| 10:43.10 | simonrvn | had one of those last night... |
| 10:43.30 | simonrvn | though i don't pull my hair |
| 10:44.19 | raz | hm |
| 10:44.25 | raz | aptitude build-dep vim-full |
| 10:44.28 | raz | Unable to find an archive "stable" for the package "vim-full" |
| 10:44.28 | raz | Unable to find the source package for "vim-full". |
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| 10:44.29 | ethanol | http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/facilname.html which would be best to use for a init.d script for iptables? |
| 10:44.31 | raz | any idea? |
| 10:44.46 | nsadmin | !paste |
| 10:44.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:44.48 | simonrvn | change stable to whatever |
| 10:45.00 | nsadmin | there's an idea for ya |
| 10:45.06 | simonrvn | stable == squeeze right now |
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| 10:45.10 | raz | nsadmin: dude, that was 2 lines |
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| 10:45.41 | raz | simonrvn: but where do i change that? a flag to the build-dep call? (i haven't done this before) |
| 10:45.47 | nsadmin | hmm, sorry... looked like three to me... whatever |
| 10:45.52 | simonrvn | sources.list |
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| 10:46.18 | raz | simonrvn: ah.. "add ONLY" meant "remove all other lines"... hehe |
| 10:46.34 | simonrvn | no, ONLY ADD |
| 10:46.36 | nsadmin | raz: btw, wise choice to not upgrade production |
| 10:47.17 | nsadmin | "add" isn't "replace" |
| 10:47.24 | simonrvn | raz: you shouldn't have stable in there. by now the machine's probably running squeeze if you updated packages |
| 10:47.36 | raz | simonrvn: hm, sorry for being dense. what do i need to change then? |
| 10:47.41 | raz | no, i didn't upgrade anything yet |
| 10:47.51 | raz | and don't plan to |
| 10:47.52 | nsadmin | what it means is: you will be adding one line starting with deb-src |
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| 10:47.58 | raz | yes, i have that line in there |
| 10:48.00 | simonrvn | change it to lenny then, then add the squeeze deb-src |
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| 10:48.15 | Talon_ | anybody here use kde with squeeze? |
| 10:48.21 | raz | simonrvn: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 10:48.22 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:48.29 | homie | me is |
| 10:48.30 | simonrvn | no to Talon_ |
| 10:48.38 | simonrvn | raz: yes |
| 10:48.48 | raz | simonrvn: well, gives me the above error |
| 10:49.07 | Talon_ | I heard kde has better dual-screen support like abilities to assign different backgrounds to each display n stuff, just wondering if anyone else dual-monitors it and has seperate bgs under kde? |
| 10:49.09 | simonrvn | raz: did you change the stable lines yet? |
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| 10:49.23 | raz | simonrvn: also change them to squeeze? |
| 10:49.28 | simonrvn | no, lenny |
| 10:49.34 | homie | no dual head here |
| 10:49.39 | nsadmin | you're running lenny now? |
| 10:49.45 | simonrvn | simonrvn> change it to lenny then, then add the squeeze deb-src |
| 10:49.52 | raz | simonrvn: http://pastie.org/1678066 |
| 10:50.16 | Talon_ | I can do it in gnome by disabling nautilus from taking over the desktop and using compiz wallpaper, but then i lose my desktop icons :/ |
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| 10:50.41 | simonrvn | raz: yes |
| 10:50.55 | raz | simonrvn: well, having that build-dep gives me the above error |
| 10:50.57 | nsadmin | that looks good assuming you're running lenny |
| 10:51.02 | simonrvn | you might need to check /etc/apt/pereferences |
| 10:51.07 | simonrvn | pref* |
| 10:51.31 | simonrvn | that should also have s,stable,lenny, |
| 10:51.53 | h3sp4wn | Talon_: Seems pretty extreme to change your DE just for something like that |
| 10:52.03 | raz | simonrvn: http://pastie.org/1678073 |
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| 10:52.36 | simonrvn | raz: same for testing |
| 10:52.58 | raz | simonrvn: "same"? you mean remove the lenny pin? |
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| 10:53.30 | simonrvn | change the 'testing' to a release codename (lenny, squeeze, etc) |
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| 10:53.58 | simonrvn | and now i'm going to sleep |
| 10:53.59 | raz | done that, still same error |
| 10:54.31 | simonrvn | move the pref file aside, and update |
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| 10:54.56 | raz | simonrvn: still same error |
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| 10:55.37 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 10:55.48 | raz | i wonder where that "stable" is coming from |
| 10:56.00 | simonrvn | strace the bugger |
| 10:56.06 | raz | lol |
| 10:56.15 | raz | ah |
| 10:56.18 | raz | apt.conf says |
| 10:56.23 | raz | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 10:56.30 | raz | i guess that i should change to squeeze temporarily? |
| 10:56.44 | simonrvn | no, put lenny |
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| 10:57.00 | superlinux | guys. please, if you may, can you check for me if this video has voice? http://www.youtube.com/user/ranixlb#p/u/0/yX2STVqNN-4 . I have just uploaded it. |
| 10:57.01 | Talon_ | h3sp4wn: it seems gnome isn't worth it if it can't even support simplistic options like changing wallpapers per X session, if it can't do something that trivial, what else is it lacking? |
| 10:57.08 | raz | simonrvn: ahhh! |
| 10:57.23 | raz | hm ok it wants to install a lot of stuff |
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| 10:57.29 | raz | but apparently not replace anythingh |
| 10:57.45 | raz | http://pastie.org/1678100 |
| 10:57.47 | raz | looks safe, right? |
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| 10:58.14 | raz | or rather, the stuff it wants to upgrade doesn't matter to me |
| 10:58.30 | simonrvn | you updated, right? |
| 10:58.42 | raz | ran aptitude update before this build-dep |
| 10:58.48 | simonrvn | ok |
| 10:59.05 | simonrvn | looks like the build deps for vim-full to me |
| 10:59.42 | raz | yea, rolling now |
| 10:59.51 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 11:00.38 | jelly | superlinux: it does. It could use some denoising and compression. |
| 11:00.58 | raz | simonrvn: thx for your help. the build is running now, fingers x'ed. |
| 11:00.59 | superlinux | IT DOES!? i don't jelly ! |
| 11:00.59 | jelly | superlinux: (It being the audio track) |
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| 11:01.33 | superlinux | i don't hear anything |
| 11:01.58 | jelly | superlinux: note that www.debian.org now carries a link to the combo amd64/i386 netinst iso right on the main page |
| 11:02.18 | superlinux | well those are old jelly |
| 11:02.23 | superlinux | 2 years ago |
| 11:02.51 | superlinux | they were on google. now I have the chance to re-upload them on youtube |
| 11:02.53 | jelly | superlinux: your coughs are the loudest moments in the audio |
| 11:03.01 | superlinux | hehe |
| 11:03.22 | superlinux | i'll see on my other machine |
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| 11:03.36 | superlinux | maybe i should update my flash player |
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| 11:07.20 | superlinux | yeah jelly it's a low voice |
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| 11:11.39 | sveajobb | hi, if I have iface eth1 inet static \n address 192.168.88.2 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 \n network 192.168.88.0 \b broadcast 192.168.88.255 in my /etc/networks/interfaces how come eth1 is unassigned on boot? |
| 11:12.04 | petemc | sveajobb: you need auto eth1 |
| 11:12.23 | petemc | just add eth1 to the existing auto line |
| 11:12.36 | sveajobb | petemcoh ok, I do not have an autho eth0 , only auto lo and allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:13.31 | sveajobb | so I should just do auto lo eth1 ? |
| 11:13.54 | petemc | add whatever interfaces you want brought up automatically at boot |
| 11:14.07 | sveajobb | what is the difference between allow-hotplug and auto then? |
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| 11:14.31 | petemc | man interfaces |
| 11:14.42 | sveajobb | they are synonyms :) thanks for the help |
| 11:14.56 | sveajobb | oh no, misread, thanks for the protip anyhow |
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| 11:17.41 | raz | !package recompile |
| 11:17.41 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
| 11:17.52 | raz | urgh.. |
| 11:18.08 | raz | is there an easy way to change the compile opts for vim-full? it wants to pull all sorts of ruby crap |
| 11:18.19 | abrotman | why compile it at all? |
| 11:18.27 | raz | abrotman: need vim >7.1 on lenny |
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| 11:18.33 | abrotman | !tell raz about ssb |
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| 11:18.48 | raz | abrotman: yes, it's not in backports |
| 11:18.52 | abrotman | read the rest |
| 11:19.06 | raz | i'm on step 5 of the rest |
| 11:19.23 | raz | the build fails with: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.2-p136/lib/libruby.so.1.9 (used by debian/vim-gtk/usr/bin/vim.gtk) |
| 11:19.37 | abrotman | why do you have a /usr/local/rvm/ ? |
| 11:19.50 | raz | oh, nice catch |
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| 11:19.57 | raz | well, because rvm is handling the ruby mess here |
| 11:20.01 | abrotman | judd: versions vim |
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| 11:20.05 | judd | Package vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1; wheezy: 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1 |
| 11:20.13 | raz | i'll try the build again in an rvm-free env |
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| 11:22.42 | raz | generally it would be nice if there were backports for at least the core packages (such as vim..) |
| 11:23.11 | raz | perhaps someone can propose that in the debian parliarment ;) |
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| 11:27.44 | Talon_ | sweet, i found a nautilus patch and tried it out, i got different backgrounds on my monitors now without losing my desktop icons |
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| 11:30.54 | a931bw | ugh |
| 11:31.03 | a931bw | Debian Lithuanian mirror broken |
| 11:31.04 | a931bw | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.litnet.lt_debian_dists_wheezy_contrib_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 11:40.27 | MrFrood | a931bw: it happens from time to time, wait a few days or temporarily switch to another mirror |
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| 11:41.00 | gob_bluth | hi, i've got this ups application client i'm trying to install, but it's requiring some older versions of libc |
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| 11:41.20 | gob_bluth | is there a compatabililty package for libc in lenny? like libc 2.5 |
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| 11:42.35 | Gryllida | Please link me to where to submit a ItP (intent to package or similar), I'm considering packaging a program for debian but didn't find a working link to the place to submit such a request. |
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| 11:45.21 | petemc | Gryllida: thats handled through the bug tracker |
| 11:45.44 | babilen | !tell gryllida about itp |
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| 11:46.10 | babilen | gryllida: You might also want to take a look at the new maintainers guide |
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| 11:46.58 | gryllida | So that is http://bugs.debian.org/ website to submit the request. Right? |
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| 11:50.00 | stefuNz | hi, i removed some packages, which was kinda stupid ... now it gives me some errors on install php5 again (lenny): http://pastebin.com/NDRcmUpj ... can anybody help me? which packages do i need to install ? |
| 11:50.05 | babilen | gryllida: No, Debian's bug system is email based. You typically use reportbug to report bugs. |
| 11:50.13 | babilen | !tell gryllida -about reportbug |
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| 11:52.06 | stefuNz | anyone? :/ |
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| 11:55.21 | soidexe | hey there! how do I know what deb source a package comes from? |
| 11:55.45 | babilen | stefuNz: Please paste the output of "dpkg -l util-linux ucf" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:56.28 | albech | been looking for a good article on setting up bind with internal/external views.. any recommendations? |
| 11:56.46 | babilen | soidexe: Clarify please. If you want to know which particular mirror a package was downloaded from you can't AFAIK. |
| 11:56.52 | stefuNz | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110852/ |
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| 11:58.33 | babilen | stefuNz: Decided to remove util-linux? Smart move (not). What does "aptitude install util-linux" give you? You should have been warned in drastic words when you removed util-linux because it is an essential package. |
| 11:58.46 | soidexe | babilen: ok. I have python2.7 package on my desktop but on a server it isn't shown. I wanna know which source I've hot to add in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:58.59 | stefuNz | babilen: yes, that was kinda dumb of me .. wait i'll try. |
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| 11:59.28 | stefuNz | gives me some success ... hold on |
| 11:59.35 | bhodder | Morning |
| 11:59.36 | babilen | soidexe: pero? |
| 11:59.59 | babilen | stefuNz: Paste it please. |
| 12:00.02 | bhodder | which package should I download for a i486 machine |
| 12:00.29 | soidexe | babilen: what do you mean? |
| 12:00.36 | pero | hello |
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| 12:00.49 | stefuNz | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110855/ |
| 12:01.14 | babilen | soidexe: Ah, I was just explaining how to install python2.7 to a user named "pero" in #python and told her to come over here. |
| 12:01.27 | pero | him |
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| 12:01.56 | babilen | pero: Ah, sorry. Got it working? |
| 12:02.08 | pero | nope, still researching |
| 12:02.14 | pero | so, stow is the safest method? |
| 12:03.07 | MrFrood | bhodder: how much memory does your 486 have? |
| 12:03.14 | soidexe | babilen: I know how to install python 2.7. Just interesting how to get known where exactly package comes from... |
| 12:03.49 | bhodder | it has a 2GB cf card and 256MB RAM |
| 12:04.02 | bhodder | it is a soekris board |
| 12:04.04 | babilen | soidexe: Well, there are a couple of possibilities. "apt-cache policy python2.7" will show you which sources offer which package and their respective priority. "rmadison python2.7" will tell you which versions are available in *all* distributions. |
| 12:04.04 | MrFrood | bhodder: the installer need at least 48MB |
| 12:04.42 | bhodder | ok |
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| 12:05.44 | bhodder | which i have |
| 12:05.45 | soidexe | babilen: thanks a lot, that's exactly what I need |
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| 12:05.49 | babilen | stefuNz: Ok, that looks better. I see that you use packages from dotdeb. They are *not* supported in here and alternative (official) packages are available on backports. I would strongly recommend to use the packages from backports, because the dotdeb ones are known for their poor quality. |
| 12:05.56 | MrFrood | bhodder: Freedos is a good OS for older low memory machines |
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| 12:05.58 | babilen | soidexe: Wonderful :) |
| 12:06.22 | abrotman | bhodder: that would be able to run Debian |
| 12:06.36 | stefuNz | babilen: thank you for your kind support. are the backports php packages on version 5.3.* ? |
| 12:06.46 | abrotman | bhodder: it may be a bit slow when installing packages .. but i have a 486 with lower specs than that .. it still runs lenny I believe |
| 12:07.24 | babilen | pero: yes, stow is a great tool for managing locally compiles and installed software installations. It does this by seperating them into subdirectories in /usr/local, such as /usr/local/stow/python2.7, and setting appropriate symlinks. |
| 12:07.44 | nevyn | likes checkinstall |
| 12:07.46 | MrFrood | bhodder: download the i386 cd1 iso - 48mb willonly get you a command line system |
| 12:07.54 | nevyn | much as it's kinda ugly and evil. |
| 12:08.24 | bhodder | thats all I need there is no video on the machine |
| 12:08.46 | MrFrood | abrotman / bhodder the minimun for lenny is 32 MB |
| 12:08.54 | babilen | stefuNz: The packages in Squeeze are already v5.3* -- Are you using lenny? |
| 12:09.04 | stefuNz | babilen: yes. |
| 12:09.27 | bhodder | what is the min for squeeze? |
| 12:09.36 | MrFrood | 48 |
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| 12:10.54 | babilen | stefuNz: Any particular reason why you don't upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 12:11.41 | stefuNz | babilen: no, just didn't considered that... i'll try that |
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| 12:11.58 | stefuNz | babilen: i want to thank you for your great support! you really saved my day!! :) |
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| 12:12.13 | babilen | stefuNz: Ok, please follow the method outlined in the relase notes of Squeeze. Read, in particular, "What's new in Squeeze" and chapter 4. |
| 12:12.23 | babilen | !tell stefuNz -about squeeze release notes |
| 12:12.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell stefuNz about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:12.38 | stefuNz | thank you! |
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| 12:13.56 | babilen | stefuNz: The second factoid outlines the basic steps of the upgrade. I would still recommend to read and follow the release notes, because they contain a plethora of additional information and steps. |
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| 12:14.16 | babilen | stefuNz: Have fun and ask if you run into problems or if something is unclear. |
| 12:14.19 | pero | this backports/stow thing seems over my head; any chance you have any offhand resources? |
| 12:14.30 | stefuNz | babilen: what does this mean "remove volatile" ... i got some lenny/volatile sources ... just delete those lines? |
| 12:14.38 | babilen | !tell pero about stow usage |
| 12:15.14 | pero | so it's an option for make? |
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| 12:15.37 | babilen | pero: One moment please, I'll be with you in a second :) |
| 12:15.46 | pero | take your time |
| 12:16.03 | babilen | !tell stefuNz -about squeeze volatile |
| 12:16.24 | babilen | stefuNz: (Sorry for bombarding you with factoids, but these are frequently asked questions) :) |
| 12:16.44 | stefuNz | babilen: thank you ;) i really appreciate your help |
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| 12:18.58 | robbit10 | Hi. The Ubuntu channel is a total mess right now and I need help because my package manager is broken. Every time I install a package, it just hangs and does nothing and then I have to kill it manually which breaks packages causing more problems. Anyone? |
| 12:20.08 | abrotman | MrFrood: he said he has 256MB? |
| 12:20.49 | MrFrood | abrotman: just getting the info out there |
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| 12:21.00 | bhodder | I do but it is also an embeded system with no video aswell |
| 12:21.12 | abrotman | but a serial console? |
| 12:21.34 | babilen | pero: so, what you want to do in a nutshell is: 1. Create a directory for python2.7 to live in. "mkdir -p /usr/local/stow/python-2.7" 2. Configure python to install into that directory "./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/python-2.7" (make sure that you don't forget the other configure options you need/want) 3. Compile Python (that process should be outlined in the INSTALL document in the python sources) 4. Install Python "make install" 5. ... |
| 12:21.40 | babilen | ... Create the necessary symlinks with stow "cd /usr/local/stow ; stow python-2.7" 6. Make sure that "python" still gets you the default system python "rm /usr/local/bin/python" |
| 12:21.51 | bhodder | yes it has a serial console |
| 12:22.14 | babilen | pero: Note that you also need to install the build dependencies of python, but the configure script should complain about missing ones. |
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| 12:22.51 | stefuNz | sorry for asking again, but i seem to have a little problem again: "reboot: command not found" |
| 12:23.34 | babilen | pero: I would furthermore recommend to use "virtualenv" (optionally with virtualenvwrapper) for your projects that utilise python2.7. You can use pip to easily install additional python packages *into the virtualenv* without pestering/changing anything on the system. |
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| 12:24.44 | babilen | stefuNz: *sigh* -- Last line of "dpkg -l sysvinit" ? |
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| 12:25.22 | stefuNz | babilen: un sysvinit <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden) .... |
| 12:25.28 | stefuNz | installed it via apt-get :) |
| 12:25.35 | jelly | blink |
| 12:25.53 | stefuNz | reboot does work now :) |
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| 12:26.05 | babilen | stefuNz: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~E" please. Waht made you think that removing those packages are a good idea? |
| 12:26.16 | babilen | stefuNz: wait, don't reboot yet. |
| 12:26.21 | stefuNz | already did. |
| 12:26.22 | pero | k, i'll try to process that... |
| 12:26.29 | pero | thx! |
| 12:26.46 | stefuNz | when it's up again, i'll paste it. |
| 12:26.48 | jelly | it's an Essential package, removing it must have asked a scary question or two |
| 12:26.50 | babilen | pero: ping me when you need further explanations |
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| 12:26.59 | babilen | jelly: It definitely did ... |
| 12:27.01 | pero | ha, it's only a matter of time huh |
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| 12:29.51 | babilen | pero: Are you familiar with tools such as pip and virtualenv? |
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| 12:30.19 | stefuNz | babilen: [SSH] FAIL: Remote host does not respond ... doh ... |
| 12:30.26 | pero | nope not really |
| 12:30.28 | stefuNz | i guess you can't help me now ;) |
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| 12:30.35 | stefuNz | my fault. screw me. |
| 12:30.42 | pero | but i didnt know about mkdir -p either and that sounds awesome |
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| 12:31.49 | pero | what i pretty much want is for 2.7 to be the default install |
| 12:32.15 | babilen | stefuNz: Well, rebooting a system (or even closing a root shell) in that state is not a bright idea. It will probably be a lot of work now to get it into a usable state again, especially if you don't have local access. |
| 12:32.18 | stefuNz | babilen: i can recover ... phew ... wait a sec, it should go on soon ... |
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| 12:32.22 | bhodder | my problem with it is that I keep getting "undefined video mode: 314"? |
| 12:32.39 | bhodder | what would be causeing that? |
| 12:32.42 | stefuNz | babilen: apache2 with php is running, so the system is up. just openssh doesnt seem to run |
| 12:33.02 | pero | http://www.harelmalka.com/?p=159 -- i seen that, but its for lenny |
| 12:33.14 | pero | and 2.6 |
| 12:33.30 | babilen | pero: That is not a good idea, because a bunch of your system utilities rely on the assumption that the default python installation is what you get when you run "python" |
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| 12:34.02 | pero | yea i figured it wasnt; so i'm after the next best thing i guess |
| 12:34.12 | babilen | pero: Screw those instructions. |
| 12:34.22 | pero | i figured that much as well |
| 12:34.35 | pero | im trying to setup a learning environment for python |
| 12:35.06 | pero | so i'd like to not focus on the trivial incompatibility stuff that might arise |
| 12:35.23 | pero | i also would like to be as close to 3.x as possible |
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| 12:36.41 | h3sp4wn | For a lenny to squeeze upgrade is it recommended to use apt-get not aptitude ? (the examples seem to use apt-get) |
| 12:36.42 | babilen | pero: Ok, I have lunch now, but just a few more tips to digest. You can see the way python is configured in the debian packages, by taking a look at the debian/rules file in the Debian source package and the dependencies in the debian/control file. You can get hold of the Debian source file by adding a "deb-src" line for sid to your sources list and by running "apt-get source python2.7" in a empty/new directory. |
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| 12:37.26 | pero | thanks again |
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| 12:37.29 | AthomIk | hello |
| 12:37.30 | babilen | h3sp4wn: Yes. Aptitude might overthink the upgrade and get stuck. There were some reports about that, so the release notes recommend apt-get *for the upgrade* (not in general) |
| 12:37.36 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 12:37.55 | babilen | pero: Good luck, I'll be back later. |
| 12:39.14 | AthomIk | hello babilen still in office :) |
| 12:39.15 | h3sp4wn | babilen: Thanks |
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| 12:39.35 | AthomIk | now my multiseat system is good, very good |
| 12:39.42 | babilen | stefuNz: Good luck to you too. Please run "aptitude search ~E" to check the state of other essential packages. You want to make sure *all* of them are installed ("aptitude install ~E") -- Same holds true for packages with priority "important", "required" and "standard" -- You can search/select them with, for example, "aptitude search ~pimportant" |
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| 12:40.07 | babilen | !tell stefuNz -about aptitude search |
| 12:40.12 | stefuNz | babilen: thank you very much! |
| 12:40.42 | bhodder | How do you fix an undefined video mode number on debian install via console? |
| 12:41.03 | babilen | see you later o/ |
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| 13:00.23 | xk | heh |
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| 13:07.14 | xk | erp |
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| 13:15.22 | jmm_ | hello. |
| 13:16.16 | sponzor | i need to make bootable cd . http://img34.imageshack.us/i/tesst321.png/ is it posiblle? |
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| 13:17.04 | jmm_ | I've got a problem with a fiber channel connection to a SAN, I can't see hard disks, I can only see the CDROM and some 'hp enclosure'.I have no /dev/sd* just /dev/sg0 to /dev/sg3 . can somebody help me please ? |
| 13:17.12 | jmm_ | I can provide more detail if needed. |
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| 13:20.23 | Thermi | jmm_ has it worked before? |
| 13:20.38 | jmm_ | no it's the first time I setup something like that. |
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| 13:20.58 | Thermi | ok |
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| 13:21.09 | Thermi | does it work with windows |
| 13:21.12 | Thermi | ? |
| 13:21.28 | jmm_ | I don't know either, it's on a remote server. |
| 13:21.30 | jmm_ | :\ |
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| 13:21.35 | Thermi | oh... |
| 13:22.02 | jmm_ | I'm having hard times lol. |
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| 13:24.34 | jmm_ | it's the output of lsscsi -g http://paste.scsys.co.uk/93399 |
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| 13:24.42 | flo` | hi |
| 13:24.54 | jmm_ | hi flo. |
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| 13:25.15 | flo` | i've read through http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts and http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot, but i couldn't find an answer there. |
| 13:25.36 | flo` | how can i change the dependencies or X-Start-Afters etc of a certain init script? |
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| 13:26.05 | flo` | only editing the script in /etc/init.d/ seems to be not sufficient; which additional steps do i have to do? |
| 13:26.33 | themill | flo`: do you need to run "insserv" too? |
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| 13:27.14 | jblz | hi, does anyone know how to change the order than applications appear in the xdg menu, other than alphabetically? |
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| 13:27.35 | flo` | themill, i dunno if i do need it. is a simply insserv script_i_changed enough? |
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| 13:28.09 | themill | flo`: if you've read everything on those wiki pages, then you probably know more about insserv than me, at this stage.... I've not spent time learning about it yet. |
| 13:28.48 | flo` | these pages only mention insserv as tool, but don't explain what and when it does |
| 13:28.50 | DammitJim | is it normal that the icon for chromium-browser is so dull in color for wheezy? |
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| 13:33.59 | sonnie | hi there, i just plugged a QLogic QLE2460 to my debian box. firmware-qla2xxx has been installed. but `dmesg' shows: qla2xxx 0000:0e:00.0: Cable is unplugged... |
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| 13:35.04 | sonnie | debian kernel version: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 13:36.17 | DammitJim | that's more like it... that's got to be a devel icon |
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| 13:49.59 | frikinz | flo`: I just had the warning of one script not having LSB headers. The message appeared when update-rc.d was run. |
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| 13:50.57 | pinoyoragon | anyone knows a stable multimedia server? |
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| 13:51.17 | flo` | frikinz, uh-huh. and what do you want to tell me with it ;)? |
| 13:51.39 | petemc | pinoyoragon: xbmc |
| 13:53.02 | pinoyoragon | petemc: thanks, i'll look into this |
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| 13:53.43 | petemc | pinoyoragon: i use xbmc and i also run ps3 media server |
| 13:53.52 | babilen | pinoyoragon: Not yet packages for Debian though -- See #469397 |
| 13:53.59 | petemc | the latter to allow my ps3 to play different media files |
| 13:54.12 | frikinz | flo`: update-rc.d does something that regenerate the insserv tree. Not sure how to update it only. doing a update-rc. remove and then an add for example. |
| 13:54.26 | pinoyoragon | babilen: oh ic, thanks anyway |
| 13:54.46 | flo` | ah, ok |
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| 13:54.57 | ichilton | anyone familiar with syslog? |
| 13:54.59 | ichilton | I want to stop local5.* going into *.* (and filling up /var/log/syslog) - can anyone help? |
| 13:55.06 | frikinz | flo`: sorry, not a definitive answer, just my 2 cents :) |
| 13:55.27 | flo` | yeah, ok, thanks :) |
| 13:55.35 | pinoyoragon | petemc: ok... but can ps3 perform well as a server? |
| 13:55.48 | flo` | is there a way to tell debian about the importance of a init script? |
| 13:55.50 | petemc | no i use it as a client |
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| 13:56.09 | xk | ichilton: use "local5.none", delimited by ; |
| 13:56.16 | flo` | for example, starting sshd blocks my system boot a S02, which makes xorg (in S05) start later |
| 13:56.33 | xk | I am not sure if it does match first, or match any. |
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| 13:56.48 | xk | so you'd need something like this: "local5.none;*.*" |
| 13:56.59 | ichilton | xk: i've currently got: |
| 13:57.01 | ichilton | xk: local5.* /var/log/local5.log |
| 13:57.11 | flo` | what i actually want is to append a "$all" for required_start on all scripts i don't need immediately. like ssh |
| 13:57.24 | xk | and where is *.* defined? |
| 13:57.30 | flo` | but changing the init scripts is probably not very clean and will not persist across upgrades, right? |
| 13:57.34 | ichilton | xk: and by default, it has: |
| 13:57.36 | ichilton | xk: *.*;auth,authpriv.none-/var/log/syslog |
| 13:57.50 | uwe | hello, im trying to install debian on a machine with no internet connection, how can i figure out which dvd/cd has a certain package |
| 13:57.51 | xk | well, you need to add local5 nefore the none, delimited by "," |
| 13:58.03 | ichilton | I want my local5 message to only go into /var/log/local5.log |
| 13:58.13 | xk | fine. dont listen to me |
| 13:58.16 | ichilton | :) |
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| 13:58.29 | ichilton | I thought you were saying about adding it to the all :) |
| 13:58.36 | ichilton | any idea how to do it the other way? |
| 13:58.40 | pinoyoragon | petemc: can xmbc stream multimedia files? |
| 13:58.42 | xk | you're not undrestanding |
| 13:58.48 | xk | you can add logs, and you can negate logging |
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| 13:58.59 | xk | .none is negating.. which means.. "dont log X here" |
| 13:59.22 | ichilton | ah, so i'd have to add local5.none to the *.* line? |
| 13:59.25 | xk | yes |
| 13:59.27 | ichilton | ok |
| 13:59.38 | petemc | pinoyoragon: it has a built in upnp server, yes |
| 13:59.39 | xk | the inverse of local5.* is local5.none |
| 13:59.40 | ichilton | no way of doing from the local5 stuff so I can leave the rest as default? |
| 13:59.50 | ichilton | xk: someone mentioned = but I can't get it working |
| 13:59.53 | xk | ichilton: no, because *.* implies local5.* |
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| 14:00.01 | ichilton | ok, thanks |
| 14:00.22 | xk | or use syslog-ng if you want sane syntax. |
| 14:00.29 | pinoyoragon | petemc: ic thanks again |
| 14:01.30 | ichilton | xk: is that where the = comes in? |
| 14:02.24 | xk | hmm... hang on. |
| 14:02.41 | xk | = means match only that priority / level |
| 14:02.48 | xk | without means equal or higher. |
| 14:03.03 | xk | but I reckon whoever told you is wrong. |
| 14:03.32 | xk | .none is how you tell syslog not to log certain facilities. |
| 14:03.34 | ichilton | ok, ta |
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| 14:07.39 | frikinz | flo`: I'd do it like this. Manually only cause you're pretty sure to break something. Have a look at your current graph: /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order -g | dotty - (you need graphviz) |
| 14:08.24 | frikinz | wow, messy |
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| 14:09.25 | flo` | frikinz, i only get a empty window |
| 14:09.33 | flo` | i'm non-roo if that matters |
| 14:09.36 | flo` | *non-root |
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| 14:20.11 | sponzor | hi. this is rescue cd http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3256/tesst321.png and i need to make it bootable.. how to do it? |
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| 14:22.51 | petemc | sponzor: burning an iso is sufficient |
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| 14:23.22 | frikinz | flo`: did you move the scrollbars? |
| 14:23.38 | flo` | i have no scrollbars |
| 14:24.37 | frikinz | flo`: so /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order -d -g does not return a lot of output? |
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| 14:25.06 | flo` | frikinz, it does generate lots of output |
| 14:25.23 | flo` | mostly like "mountall" -> "$all"[color=blue] ; |
| 14:25.25 | frikinz | flo`: and what about dotty |
| 14:25.37 | sponzor | petemc i burned in iso and it wont boot |
| 14:26.00 | flo` | dotty does not do anything |
| 14:26.01 | frikinz | flo`: you need the leading '-' /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order -g | dotty - |
| 14:26.07 | flo` | aaah |
| 14:26.08 | flo` | oops |
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| 14:26.15 | flo` | ah, thanks |
| 14:26.18 | frikinz | flo`: anyway, you'll be scared |
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| 14:26.25 | frikinz | :) |
| 14:26.29 | petemc | sponzor: perhaps you didnt burn it correctly |
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| 14:27.13 | flo` | frikinz, i am oO |
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| 14:28.02 | sponzor | i did 10 times :P i think it needs a boot loader or something similer |
| 14:28.56 | sponzor | or i need to link bootable file.. becose magic iso is saying that it isnt bootable buth there you have option what file to link that it will boot :P |
| 14:29.22 | tic_ | what does contrib and nonfree stands for in apt sourceslist? |
| 14:29.37 | frikinz | flo`: so if you look at bootchart initscript (which needs to be run after 'everything'), there's clearly # Required-Start: $remote_fs $all |
| 14:30.13 | foetus | dpkg not responding? |
| 14:30.14 | dpkg | foetus: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:31.01 | foetus | dpkg: /msg dpkg doesnt work.. |
| 14:31.01 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, foetus |
| 14:31.20 | abrotman | dpkg: doesn't work |
| 14:31.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 14:31.31 | tic_ | ! contrib |
| 14:31.32 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 14:32.11 | tic_ | ! nonfree |
| 14:32.11 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:32.19 | flo` | frikinz, thanks ;) |
| 14:32.27 | flo` | have to leave now, my battery is getting low :/ |
| 14:32.33 | flo` | cu |
| 14:32.55 | tic_ | ahh now I know what's up with contrib! |
| 14:33.47 | panosru | Hello guys, could anyone help me with this: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported ? I have debian 6 with vmware running on 192.168.183.128 and the nfs server is in my client OSX under 192.168.1.100 in my /etc/exports I have set /Volumes/Web -rw -mapall=root -network 192.168.0.0 -mask 255.255.0.0 what am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:34.04 | foetus | but /me rocks :) |
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| 14:34.51 | foetus | but, is dpkg bot online? |
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| 14:36.31 | Shadowcat | nope |
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| 14:36.55 | Wonkietonkie | i just installed 6 -- in order to edit the interfaces/rebstart networking do i still edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart with /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 14:37.54 | frikinz | Wonkietonkie: yes, it stops all interfaces and bring back up the ones defined 'auto' |
| 14:39.05 | Wonkietonkie | hmm because it says /etc/init.d/networking restart is depreciated |
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| 14:41.41 | rem | hi. |
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| 14:42.19 | tic_ | I have been using debian as a server for a while! more precise the server for my tomcat and mysql instances! Now its gonna be the first time which Im gonna use it for developing application so this will be the first time that I use it as a desktop! |
| 14:42.23 | tic_ | I have been using debian as a server for a while! more precise the server for my tomcat and mysql instances! Now its gonna be the first time which Im gonna use it for developing application so this will be the first time that I use it as a desktop! |
| 14:42.28 | tic_ | lets hopes things goes as smooth as it has been so fare when consulting debian as a server |
| 14:42.36 | tic_ | oops sorry! |
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| 14:43.39 | babilen | Wonkietonkie: It is not really deprecated. The point is in the semantics: It brings down *all* active interfaces, but activates *only* those with "auto" in /e/n/i |
| 14:43.51 | ethanol | tic_: I wouldn't |
| 14:44.33 | frikinz | babilen: in fact the ifup man is contradicting itself. One place it says : -a Only interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces will be brought down. and later in examples "Bring down all interfaces that are currently up." :) |
| 14:44.34 | babilen | Wonkietonkie: The wording is a bit harsh. It is actualle meant to sensitise you to the fact I mentioned earlier and you *might* actually want to use "ifdown IFACE ; ifup IFACE" |
| 14:44.35 | tic_ | thanol: why not? |
| 14:44.51 | ethanol | tic_: debian is great for servers, but I _personally_ would rather run ubuntu or mint on a desktop |
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| 14:45.20 | Shadowcat | meh |
| 14:45.22 | Wonkietonkie | babilen: is the /etc/network/interfaces file still my goto file to edit the settings? |
| 14:45.23 | babilen | frikinz: I'll have a coffee now and investigate that. (check the actual scripts) We would want that (documentation?) bug fixed after all. |
| 14:45.29 | babilen | Wonkietonkie: yes |
| 14:45.38 | Shadowcat | debian is rock solid for servers, but for a desktop, let's just say I don't want to stay pinned to debian unstable all the time |
| 14:45.44 | tic_ | ethanol: but I not getting any functionality with all those new packages which you'll miss out with debian |
| 14:46.00 | ethanol | tic_: not sure what you mean by that? |
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| 14:46.46 | tic_ | ethanol: get=use |
| 14:46.48 | ethanol | tic_: I still run my testing httpd/mysqld on a debian server, not on my desktop. |
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| 14:47.20 | jthm | tic a rather pointless discussion - only you can decide what suits your needs |
| 14:47.22 | ethanol | tic_: desktop is purely for my editor and browsing/mail, dev files are mounted from test server |
| 14:47.30 | ethanol | tic_: just my personal preference :) |
| 14:47.42 | panosru | anyone that could help me with NFS issue please? |
| 14:47.59 | ethanol | panosru: we don't know if anyone can help. but you could ask a question, sure. |
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| 14:48.16 | tic_ | I'll be only using eclipse and firefox and these two packages could be contained from thier official homepages! so the onlything would be that my debian desktop would be more stable than ubuntu for example |
| 14:48.31 | panosru | ethanol: I asked already but no one talked to me :P |
| 14:48.37 | panosru | I will paste it again |
| 14:48.38 | tic_ | so considering this, then debian should be the best solution |
| 14:48.43 | panosru | Hello guys, could anyone help me with this: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported ? I have debian 6 with vmware running on 192.168.183.128 and the nfs server is in my client OSX under 192.168.1.100 in my /etc/exports I have set /Volumes/Web -rw -mapall=root -network 192.168.0.0 -mask 255.255.0.0 what am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:48.51 | ethanol | tic_: I disagree, but again, personal preference :) |
| 14:49.36 | tic_ | ethanol: yeahh |
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| 14:50.43 | Wonkietonkie | where do i put my dns servers for debian 6 to use? |
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| 14:50.55 | ethanol | Wonkietonkie: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 14:51.19 | Wonkietonkie | they are there -- but dig google.com isn't working -- but if i do dig @my.dns.server.ip google.com it works |
| 14:51.31 | ethanol | define "isn't working" |
| 14:51.41 | Wonkietonkie | not resolving |
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| 14:51.50 | Wonkietonkie | ping google.com = unknown host google.com |
| 14:52.02 | ethanol | not running any other dns software? |
| 14:52.07 | Wonkietonkie | no -- fresh isntall |
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| 14:52.18 | jelly | Wonkietonkie: please pastebin the output of "strace getent hosts google.com" |
| 14:52.48 | Wonkietonkie | strace not found |
| 14:53.14 | jelly | Wonkietonkie: is there a timeout associated with the failing DNS lookup? |
| 14:54.08 | Wonkietonkie | yes, when i do dig google.com i get connection timed out no servers could be reached |
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| 14:54.21 | Wonkietonkie | but when i do dig @my.dns.server.ip google.com it pulls fine |
| 14:54.28 | ethanol | what is your dns server ip? |
| 14:54.37 | Wonkietonkie | 68.105.28.11 |
| 14:54.41 | ethanol | and is it the same as in your /etc/resolv.conf (pastebin it please) |
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| 14:54.47 | Wonkietonkie | sure one sec |
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| 14:54.53 | jelly | Wonkietonkie: also pastebin your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 14:55.47 | panosru | please could anyone tell me what this means "mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported" ? I tried to mount into my debian installation a remove folder |
| 14:56.22 | Wonkietonkie | http://pastebin.com/neFC2KhJ nsswitch on top --- resolve.conf on bottom -- i seperated with ############# |
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| 14:56.31 | wathek | hi all |
| 14:56.32 | wathek | I got a problem with pure-ftpd it blocks after send the MLSD command and it doesn't retrieve the content of the folder |
| 14:56.39 | ethanol | panosru: you're have to pastebin all involved config files and commands issues (and the results) |
| 14:56.46 | ethanol | issued* |
| 14:57.01 | ethanol | Wonkietonkie: uh, "nameserver" infront of those ip's |
| 14:57.07 | Wonkietonkie | doh |
| 14:57.40 | Wonkietonkie | amazing -- it works lol thanks ethanol |
| 14:57.44 | panosru | ethanol: so I should paste my /etc/exports from the remote machine and the command I run to mount and the result I got? |
| 14:58.00 | ethanol | yes, and perhaps also related messages in your log files |
| 14:58.17 | frikinz | babilen: so I checked on my testing/sid and ifdown -a stops only the ones in interfaces. so the manpage could be changed from "Bring down all interfaces that are currently up." to "Bring down all interfaces defined in interfaces that are currently up". |
| 14:58.19 | panosru | ethanol: ok I will do that now :) |
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| 14:59.14 | babilen | frikinz: Ah, I was just about to have a look. |
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| 14:59.50 | frikinz | babilen: I gave up on reading the code, did a real test.. |
| 15:00.00 | babilen | frikinz: hehe :) |
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| 15:00.32 | ethanol | frikinz: eh, my ifup manpage does mention it: If given to ifup, affect all interfaces marked auto. |
| 15:00.37 | ethanol | for the -a switch |
| 15:00.58 | frikinz | ethanol: also in the example part of the manpage? for ifdown |
| 15:01.27 | ethanol | If given to ifdown, affect all defined interfaces |
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| 15:01.56 | frikinz | ethanol: EXAMPLES ;) |
| 15:02.05 | ethanol | examples extend the options |
| 15:02.06 | panosru | ethanol: where are the logs of NFS on debian? I can't see them under /var/log :/ |
| 15:02.20 | ethanol | you always skip to the final section of a chapter frikinz ? or do you read it entirely? |
| 15:02.28 | babilen | ethanol: Yeah, same here |
| 15:03.00 | ethanol | panosru: depends on what you use? if it's just mount client, could be there are only some lines in syslog or dmesg |
| 15:04.12 | frikinz | to me.. an example taken alone should have a correct description.. |
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| 15:04.36 | ethanol | frikinz: you shouldn't take it out of context :) |
| 15:04.43 | ethanol | frikinz: if you do, then yes, you should include relevant info |
| 15:04.53 | ethanol | frikinz: but as it is, all relevant info is in the manpage |
| 15:05.46 | frikinz | this sentence "ifdown -a: Bring down all interfaces that are currently up" is wrong. full stop. Anyway, I don't care :) |
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| 15:05.52 | ethanol | no it's not |
| 15:05.57 | ethanol | learn to read |
| 15:06.29 | Ongacska | Ola ikonia bruder! |
| 15:06.36 | ethanol | Ongacska: try again, in english |
| 15:06.39 | panosru | ethanol: I didn't found anything on logs so far this is all I got: http://pastebin.com/NsqM2UYc |
| 15:07.00 | Ongacska | ethanol brotha' hello. Just I said in spanish:) |
| 15:07.11 | Ongacska | Ola=Hello |
| 15:07.17 | panosru | ethanol: if you want I can add the ifconfig output from both remote and client |
| 15:07.18 | Ongacska | bruder=brother |
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| 15:07.28 | ethanol | panosru: if you can ping the host, that should be ok |
| 15:07.39 | panosru | yes I can ping both ways |
| 15:08.34 | erAbuelo | re |
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| 15:09.53 | erAbuelo | ahora vuelvo que tengo que reiniciar |
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| 15:10.28 | Eleth | I'm developing a package for local use that will configure various things. It depends on several packages. These packages use debconf to prompt the user for settings. I want to supress this as my package will be installing custom configurations |
| 15:11.15 | Eleth | I now I can set the debconf priority on the command line before installing. I need to be able to do this in my package |
| 15:11.56 | ethanol | panosru: I don't think you can map to root |
| 15:12.08 | ethanol | panosru: shouldn't you map it your local admin user? |
| 15:12.34 | panosru | ethanol: you have a point! I will try it |
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| 15:14.34 | DammitJim | what is the best remote desktop server package available for debian? |
| 15:14.47 | DammitJim | I want to "control" my debian machine from another laptop |
| 15:14.55 | panosru | ethanol: same error :/ |
| 15:15.05 | jthm | dammit ssh |
| 15:15.08 | ethanol | panosru: did you get the daemon's log on your osx box? |
| 15:15.13 | ethanol | s/get/check/ |
| 15:15.16 | AthomIk | how i can see process per core ? is possible ? |
| 15:15.18 | DammitJim | jthm, you mean ssh tunnel for X? |
| 15:15.25 | panosru | ethanol: no, will do it now |
| 15:15.28 | DammitJim | I still don't know how to do that :( |
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| 15:15.45 | DammitJim | jthm, is that what you meant? |
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| 15:16.29 | babilen | !tell DammitJim -about tightvnc |
| 15:16.44 | babilen | DammitJim: Although I typically prefer plain ssh :) |
| 15:16.46 | panosru | ethanol: the only thing I see is this: Mar 16 17:12:58 panosru-mac-2 /sbin/nfsd[34348]: unrecognized export option: rw |
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| 15:16.56 | ethanol | panosru: you might want to fix that |
| 15:16.58 | DammitJim | babilen, yeah, plain ssh is probably what I should use |
| 15:17.36 | DammitJim | babilen, do you know of a tutorial for that? |
| 15:18.31 | babilen | DammitJim: ssh? |
| 15:18.52 | DammitJim | I've done it before, just don't remember the different parameters I need to use |
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| 15:19.20 | babilen | DammitJim: Done what before? What are you trying to achieve? Are we talking about vnc or ssh? |
| 15:19.53 | DammitJim | babilen, all I want to do is be able to see my debian desktop from another debian laptop |
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| 15:21.09 | babilen | DammitJim: Yeah, VNC is the way to go. |
| 15:21.10 | panosru | ethanol: but why mapall should not be root? I mean since in my debian I run mount as root |
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| 15:21.48 | ethanol | panosru: yes, but it defines what root should be mapped to on your local system (osx) |
| 15:21.56 | ethanol | panosru: or in this case, any external user |
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| 15:22.59 | xk | hmmm baidu search engine spider is borked on my website |
| 15:23.06 | xk | keeps on scraping / every hour :) |
| 15:24.22 | panosru | ethanol: ok done the changes removed the -rw flag and changed root to panosru but still I'm getting the same issue |
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| 15:25.28 | petemc | xk: got any mp3s on it? |
| 15:26.05 | joe6 | i use the gnome workspace switcher with xmonad and I want it to show the workspace number, which it does not. |
| 15:26.23 | xk | petemc: nah, none at all. |
| 15:26.43 | joe6 | sometime ago, I knew that kde had a workspace switcher which showed the workspace number. |
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| 15:27.00 | xk | petemc: I wouldnt want to serve mp3s from my capped connection :) |
| 15:27.04 | petemc | :) |
| 15:27.05 | joe6 | Is there any other app which is better at displaying the workspace info. |
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| 15:27.36 | ethanol | panosru: try verbose mode (-v --verbose) |
| 15:27.44 | xk | and I dont want to nuke my oldschool DSL1 modem :) |
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| 15:28.06 | panosru | ethanol: on mount command or in exports file? |
| 15:28.13 | ethanol | mount command |
| 15:28.14 | xk | well... it's not oldschool.. more like midschool |
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| 15:30.00 | panosru | ethanol: http://pastebin.com/AUUVNnML on the bottom is what I got, log of "Program not registered" |
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| 15:33.40 | ethanol | I see 183.1, 183.128, and 1.100.. which is which? |
| 15:34.15 | bolt-work | DammitJim: check out x11vnc |
| 15:34.25 | DammitJim | got it bolt-work thanks! |
| 15:34.35 | DammitJim | that's what I thought I needed to use... just wasn't sure |
| 15:34.50 | bolt-work | great |
| 15:35.03 | panosru | ethanol: 192.168.183.128 is debian 192.168.1.100 is OSX |
| 15:35.05 | bolt-work | consider running it through an ssh tunnel if you're going from outside your network |
| 15:35.10 | AthomIk | ps -edfa |
| 15:35.18 | DammitJim | yes... for sure! |
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| 15:35.29 | DammitJim | I just want to use another monitor at my desk for my debian laptop |
| 15:35.41 | ethanol | panosru: 183.1 ? |
| 15:36.24 | panosru | ethanol: there isn't any 183.1 anywhere :/ |
| 15:36.52 | panosru | ethanol: ah I see |
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| 15:37.16 | ethanol | its what you're trying to connect to |
| 15:37.37 | panosru | ethanol: just ignore it it was from old network interface I will update pastebin now one sec |
| 15:37.41 | ethanol | panosru: pastebin your /etc/hosts.allow |
| 15:37.52 | panosru | ethanol: from debian or osx? |
| 15:38.13 | ethanol | both I guess :p |
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| 15:40.18 | panosru | ethanol: I don't have any hosts.allow in both machines |
| 15:40.38 | panosru | ethanol: actually in my OSX I have turned off the firewall and debian 6 is fresh install |
| 15:40.49 | ethanol | debian should have it |
| 15:40.55 | ethanol | /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 15:41.35 | panosru | ethanol: ah yes I was trying host.allow on debian by mistake, but on OSX there isn't any, I will update pastebin now |
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| 15:42.35 | panosru | ethanol: http://pastebin.com/4xVjR67D I also included ifconfig output from both machines |
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| 15:44.15 | ethanol | god I hate nfs |
| 15:44.33 | panosru | ethanol: :P |
| 15:44.34 | tolle | ethanol: howcome? |
| 15:44.47 | ethanol | the errors are so non-descriptive |
| 15:44.53 | tolle | Heh, yeah |
| 15:44.55 | ethanol | panosru: try using ip instead of hostname |
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| 15:45.32 | panosru | ethanol: I tried with ip too, same output, panosru-mac = 192.168.1.100 |
| 15:45.41 | ethanol | yeah but still, never use hostnames |
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| 15:46.29 | ethanol | I don't understand if it fails to connect at all, or if it is communication with your nfsd |
| 15:46.36 | ethanol | communicating* |
| 15:46.46 | ethanol | check your nfsd logs |
| 15:46.53 | ethanol | they should show _something_ |
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| 15:47.41 | panosru | :/ |
| 15:47.44 | ethanol | also do a ''nfsd verbose up'' |
| 15:47.46 | ethanol | so it logs more |
| 15:48.04 | panosru | should I restart after that? |
| 15:48.12 | ethanol | no |
| 15:48.15 | panosru | I mean the nfsd |
| 15:48.23 | ethanol | ''Sends USR1 and/or USR2 signal(s) to the running nfsd daemon to cause it to increase and/or decrease its logging level. (See below for details about nfsd's logging).'' |
| 15:48.23 | ethanol | so no |
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| 15:49.02 | ethanol | so increase it a few times |
| 15:49.11 | ethanol | then try to connect again, then check syslog on osx machine |
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| 15:50.47 | danilom | after a conex crash between a ssh terminal and a debian server during a aptitude instalation... now i cant use aptitude, it says that cant open /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 15:51.18 | danilom | i try using another reposit but doesn work |
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| 15:52.00 | danilom | i try aptitude clean but doesnt work, i try delete the /var/apt/list/* ando doesnt work |
| 15:52.01 | intnj | danilom: I think closing aptitude ; rm /var/lib/apt/* ; aptitude update ; will work. |
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| 15:52.36 | intnj | oops. forget my words. I was thinking of /var/cache/apt . I don't know about /var/lib/apt |
| 15:52.37 | danilom | intnj, rm all in /var/lib/apt/* |
| 15:52.47 | johndoe | how can i install libreoffice on squeeze? |
| 15:53.00 | ethanol | panosru: any succes? |
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| 15:53.32 | intnj | danilom: but it might still work. |
| 15:53.52 | panosru | ethanol: I try to search all the logs in my osx but nothing related to nfs only new this: Mar 16 17:47:58 panosru-mac-2 /sbin/nfsd[34524]: verbose level is now 1 |
| 15:54.12 | danilom | intnj, you mean delete /var/cache/apt ? |
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| 15:54.27 | ethanol | panosru: might be a connection issue then |
| 15:54.36 | intnj | rm /var/lib/apt/* ; might work |
| 15:54.39 | blackshirt | hello |
| 15:54.52 | ethanol | panosru: your nfsd should at least show some signs of an attempted connection |
| 15:55.05 | panosru | ethanol: maybe I used to have something like this in the past with vmware I will try to port the virtual machine into parallels which used to work for me |
| 15:55.07 | panosru | :) |
| 15:55.17 | intnj | What software can find archives , like tar.gz , and recompress them, as in to zip or 7z, for example? |
| 15:55.28 | Mr_Queue | intnj: 'find' |
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| 15:56.35 | ethanol | intnj: what is wrong with .tar.gz ? |
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| 15:57.04 | Mr_Queue | I myself use xz... |
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| 15:57.31 | blackshirt | xz-utils |
| 15:58.05 | tolle | why bother changing compression? |
| 15:58.06 | mutante | i need to compile something that asks for the kernel sources, i am on 2.6.26-2-amd64 on lenny. I installed "linux-source-2.6.26" but compiling fails. So i am told i need have the EXACT kernel version i am running, and i realize there are Debian patches too, so i also installed "linux-patch-debian-2.6.26". What are the steps i need to do to apply that? i saw "apply" but how? i just want the result to have something in /usr/src that is EXACTLY like the ru |
| 15:58.09 | tolle | Is diskspace that low? |
| 15:58.10 | Mr_Queue | The package atool is nice.. No need to remember each format. |
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| 16:10.46 | valdyn | mutante: youre on the wrong track, usually you need "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
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| 16:11.17 | mutante | valdyn: ah..hm.ok. thanks |
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| 16:11.49 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'm trying to setup a Squeeze virtual machine when the root host is a Lenny one (using kvm). With some servers this works, I'v one running now. But on the last one, it's freezing during the boot process at the install. It's freezing like in this screenshot: http://img838.imageshack.us/i/virtviewer.png/ and the command line used to install is like this: http://pastebin.com/BusuZdUd Any idea why this happens? |
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| 16:12.22 | yobdabr | hi all, can somebody help me about clamav-daemon? |
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| 16:12.52 | yobdabr | Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group clamav |
| 16:13.19 | valdyn | yobdabr: why is your group clamav missing? |
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| 16:14.29 | yobdabr | no missing... in /etc/group: | clamav:x:112: | amavis:x:120: |
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| 16:15.12 | mutante | valdyn: just installing the headers package, and recompiling again.. but i still get "-1 Invalid module format" when trying to "insmod" my compiled result. And the guys who made it say i am not using the exact kernel version i am running ... sigh... sigh |
| 16:15.27 | yobdabr | valdyn: group clamav is not missing, but clamav-daemon say that |
| 16:15.43 | valdyn | mutante: that doesnt make sense unless you did something bad yourself |
| 16:16.01 | valdyn | mutante: and you should *never* use insmod |
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| 16:16.31 | mutante | valdyn: how do you use "modprobe" on a local .ko file? |
| 16:16.41 | valdyn | mutante: no idea |
| 16:16.56 | jarray52 | Can debian be installed from inside another Linux distro. At the end of the process, I want a clean install of Debian. |
| 16:16.58 | valdyn | mutante: but you can always copy the file to /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and run depmod -a |
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| 16:17.41 | mutante | jarray52: http://freshmeat.net/projects/debtakeover/ might be worth a try |
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| 16:18.12 | mutante | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:18.27 | simonrvn | !debtakeover |
| 16:18.27 | dpkg | debtakeover is, like, Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/ . You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 16:18.41 | sedulous | Hello! Does anyone know how to use the "xmlrpc" program of libxmlrpc-c3-dev to connect to a UNIX socket instead of an HTTP URL? |
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| 16:19.34 | xk | lol |
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| 16:21.35 | mutante | valdyn: depmod -a -vvvv and i see how it "needs mtd.ko, chipreg.ko" .. well at least one step ahead |
| 16:21.37 | jarray52 | mutante: The script will not allow the installation of squeeze. Correct? |
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| 16:22.05 | mutante | jarray52: i dont know, but upgrading afterwards should not be the big deal |
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| 16:24.19 | jarray52 | mutante: Thanks. |
| 16:24.43 | jarray52 | simonrvn: Thanks |
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| 16:25.45 | superlinux | hi. how can I compress an ogv file into a smaller size? |
| 16:26.51 | superlinux | ok. found something online |
| 16:27.50 | xk | ok, im going to block baidu spider. it's shitting me. |
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| 16:29.42 | niglatte | is there an offtopic chat that you can actually talk on? |
| 16:29.48 | niglatte | the only one I've seen requires voice |
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| 16:45.12 | TimmyT | I wanna install/compile kmail 2 on debian 6. What is/are the package(s) I have to get and install |
| 16:45.13 | TimmyT | ? |
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| 16:46.17 | abrotman | seriously? why? |
| 16:46.42 | abrotman | wait .. nevermind .. i thought he meant kmail from kde2 |
| 16:46.49 | Talon_ | my browsers complaining about missing java, is "default-jre" the right package to install? |
| 16:47.00 | abrotman | Talon_: which architecture? |
| 16:47.05 | Talon_ | 64 |
| 16:47.15 | TimmyT | abrotman: I don't boy, kmail doesn't work in kde 4.5.5 |
| 16:47.35 | abrotman | boy? /me is done |
| 16:47.41 | TimmyT | abrotman: I want to install kmail from kde 4.6 |
| 16:48.04 | abrotman | Talon_: aptitude search openjdk |
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| 16:49.52 | jeward | Is it possible to change the default X environment for an automatic login account from the command line? |
| 16:50.05 | babilen | TimmyT: You might be interested in keeping an eye on http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/02/msg00003.html and http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:50.55 | jeward | Let me rephrase that: How do I change an autologin account from gnome to xfce? |
| 16:51.17 | jeward | From the shell. |
| 16:51.35 | karlpinc | jeward: There's a session menu if you're using gdm (and I assume gdm3) that lets you change the default. |
| 16:52.04 | jeward | karlpinc: It's remote and I don't have gui access. |
| 16:52.16 | karlpinc | jeward: I did that once, but don't remember how. Look at the config files. It's in there somewhere. Sorry. |
| 16:52.24 | jeward | Thanks. |
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| 16:55.35 | abrotman | jeward: did you check /etc/alternatives/ ? |
| 16:55.44 | TimmyT | babilen: here it says in early March. It's 16 March but nothing yet |
| 16:55.50 | jeward | abrotman: checking. |
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| 16:57.03 | jeward | abrotman: Can I just replace the symbolic link or is it more complicated than that? |
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| 16:59.24 | jeward | abrotman: I figured out "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager", but it doesn't show an auto mode like it does for gnome. |
| 16:59.32 | abrotman | jeward: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager .. for example |
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| 16:59.50 | jeward | abrotman: Is there a way to make it autologin? |
| 16:59.51 | babilen | TimmyT: Well, I guess it is bound to happen soonish then. There might be discussion about this on the debian-kde mailing list. Just wanted to give you some additional sources of information. I don't care about KDE and probably never will. |
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| 17:01.10 | jeward | abrotman: I THINK xfce picked up the autologin settings from gnome last time I swapped them out... testing. |
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| 17:01.24 | TimmyT | babilen: he he he, that was helpful, thankyou. It was just because I wanted to migrate to opensuse 11.4 just because of kde 4.6. But it seems I can wait for it on debian |
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| 17:05.50 | abrotman | jeward: gdm is the auto-login .. not xfce |
| 17:06.09 | jeward | abrotman: K, I think it picked it up. |
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| 17:08.50 | mumbles | Anyone about with an ASUS EEEPC 4G 4G-BK007 ? I am having problems installing debian onto it useing advaced install - error is installation step failed, " select and install software" |
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| 17:13.39 | abrotman | mumbles: did you try the non-expert mode ? |
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| 17:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | !eeepc |
| 17:16.37 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:18.15 | neodragon | hello all |
| 17:18.17 | cobe571 | Hello everyone I still have a problem ... iceweasel (debian 6.0.0) do not display the characters Japanese and Chinese. I installed the locales additional fonts, changed encoding to utf-8 and nothing |
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| 17:19.21 | cobe571 | there's a way to resolve? |
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| 17:22.06 | neodragon | does anyone know if debian 6 install disks support the radeon X1600 chipset. I have a laptop with that video card and I have been unsuccessful at installing several other version of linux because the install media for those no longer supports that chipset and I did not want to turn to Ubuntu |
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| 17:25.02 | karlpinc | neodragon: Do you know the pciid of the card? |
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| 17:26.28 | neodragon | karlpinc: no specifically but it is a ati radeon X1600 mobile 256MB video card if that helps |
| 17:27.14 | tolle | Shouldnt it be supported by the oss driver? |
| 17:27.19 | tolle | Heck my x800 is |
| 17:27.38 | karlpinc | neodragon: The raedonhd man page says it supports the X1600. |
| 17:27.39 | babilen | neodragon: I would expect that card to be well supported by the radeon driver |
| 17:27.53 | babilen | karlpinc: radeonhd is no longer maintained |
| 17:28.02 | babilen | !tell neodragon -about radeon |
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| 17:28.14 | karlpinc | babilen: (Maybe that's why my X does not work. :) |
| 17:29.01 | karlpinc | neodragon: The radeon man page says it supports the X1600. |
| 17:29.03 | Some_Person | Where can I find libavcodec-extra-52 for squeeze? |
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| 17:29.22 | neodragon | I know my card is supported under that driver I was just seeing if anyone knew if I might run into any issue with th debian install disks like I have with other version of linux for some reason |
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| 17:30.35 | neodragon | the only versions of linux that I have been able to use the install disk with out issue so far are only ubuntu and mint and I don't want to use either of those |
| 17:30.57 | babilen | neodragon: Ah, yes, you'll need firmware-linux-nonfree -- /msg dpkg firmware images -- Or read the installation guides on other methods to provide firmware during the installation. But you can just install it after the initial installation. |
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| 17:31.58 | neodragon | but I figured since they are based on debian I might have luck install that instead since I don't like the bloat of either of those |
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| 17:33.52 | simonrvn | neodragon: you'll need the non-free firmware like babilen said, otherwise to won't work very well. |
| 17:33.54 | vatzec | Hey, is there any wya to do a fresh grub & kernel install? |
| 17:33.58 | babilen | neodragon: Missing firmware shouldn't be a problem in general though, just cause a major drop in rendering performance. |
| 17:33.59 | simonrvn | s,to,it, |
| 17:33.59 | vatzec | I mean, on a running Debian box? |
| 17:34.19 | simonrvn | grub-install ? |
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| 17:35.07 | neodragon | ok then I will do some reading and then install debian. thanks guys |
| 17:35.08 | babilen | vatzec: "update-grub ; grub-install /dev/sdX" ? (replace X) -- Or what are you trying to achieve? |
| 17:35.23 | babilen | !tell neodragon -about ig |
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| 17:36.38 | hkm | hi, package printers name? |
| 17:36.49 | babilen | neodragon: Have fun and ask if you have further problems. *I* would recommend to *not* install the Desktop task, but to install X and the desktop environment/window manager of you choice after the basic installation is done. "/msg dpkg install x" and "/msg dpkg install gnome" (for example) |
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| 17:36.57 | babilen | hkm: What? |
| 17:37.41 | mr | hi |
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| 17:38.02 | mr | babi |
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| 17:38.08 | neodragon | thanks for the tip babilen, I am used to doing linux installs that way anyway |
| 17:38.18 | babilen | mr: its "babilen" and what can I do for you? |
| 17:38.47 | babilen | neodragon: wonderful, enjoy! |
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| 17:39.14 | mr | babi is my favarit name |
| 17:40.02 | neodragon | babilen: I normally use gentoo, but I did not want to spend the next two days compiling source code on this laptop |
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| 17:40.26 | babilen | neodragon: Yes, gentoo causes global warming. ;) |
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| 17:41.12 | Enverex | Has anyone else (using Sid) had their 2D graphics performance drop through the floor lately? I'm not sure which update did it. 3D is still fine, but 2D redraw is now incredibly slow. (causes max CPU usage, takes a while to draw windows and menus, etc) |
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| 17:41.54 | neodragon | thanks again I am sure I will be back |
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| 17:42.08 | babilen | neodragon: You are more than welcome. Have a nice day so far! :) |
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| 17:50.03 | yucatan | hello guys |
| 17:50.58 | yucatan | i try to add a script to my debian bootup but i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/110778/ |
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| 17:51.57 | babilen | !tell ws2k3 -about init script |
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| 17:52.17 | GI_Jack | could someone tell me where the snippet of code that does debians auto-MOTD generation is, setting EDITMOTD=no in /etc/default/rcS isn't working |
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| 17:52.39 | AthomIk | babilen: know you ho to see, process by cpu core ? |
| 17:52.58 | babilen | GI_Jack: Are you looking for /etc/motd ? |
| 17:53.01 | _r1_ | hi, any advice for a kvm host partition size (kvm host only)? |
| 17:53.08 | AthomIk | or i must create a script with ps and schedtool ? |
| 17:53.32 | babilen | AthomIk: Not from the top of my head, you might want to ask the channel. |
| 17:53.33 | GI_Jack | babilen: I am looking to stop autogeneration of /etc/motd on boot |
| 17:53.35 | AthomIk | _r1_: depend of system you install |
| 17:53.50 | _r1_ | AthomIk: what? |
| 17:54.15 | babilen | !tell GI_Jack -about motd |
| 17:54.15 | GI_Jack | great the man file says they took EDITMOTD out |
| 17:54.19 | AthomIk | _r1_: yes my english is strange :D what s OS ? |
| 17:54.26 | babilen | GI_Jack: Read the manpages and the bug referenced in there. |
| 17:54.44 | GI_Jack | I know that |
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| 17:54.56 | _r1_ | AthomIk: What "what's os"? |
| 17:55.01 | _r1_ | AthomIk: not my question. |
| 17:55.09 | GI_Jack | I just want to know where the code that does auto generation of /etc/motd is so I can comment it out |
| 17:55.34 | _r1_ | my question is: any idea for a minimal partition size to put a minimal kvm host. |
| 17:55.35 | Arrowmaster | GI_Jack: man motd.tail |
| 17:55.36 | AthomIk | _r1_: ok for the host, use lvm no ? |
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| 17:56.03 | babilen | GI_Jack: Read "man 5 motd.tail" |
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| 17:56.12 | AthomIk | _r1_: for kvm i use lvm, and is a good way i think, each vm have some lvm block |
| 17:56.26 | _r1_ | AthomIk: Why you are talking about LVM?... please answer the question or don't answer. |
| 17:56.54 | _r1_ | AthomIk: I'm definitively not talking about vm. |
| 17:57.06 | _r1_ | read and re-read question. |
| 17:57.21 | babilen | GI_Jack: I just wanted to spare myself the hassle of typing and had dpkg tell you about the relevant manpages. But alas, that did not work out :) |
| 17:57.30 | AthomIk | :( :D |
| 17:58.27 | GI_Jack | documentation must be off, there is no refrence to /etc/motd in bootmisc.sh |
| 17:58.51 | Arrowmaster | GI_Jack: just change the symlink to point elsewhere like the man page says to |
| 17:58.52 | babilen | GI_Jack: "A symbolic link to a different file, such as /etc/motd.static disables this behaviour." |
| 17:58.52 | themill | GI_Jack: that's why you should read what babilen had dpkg tell you. |
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| 17:59.33 | babilen | GI_Jack: And please read *all* of the referenced documents including the bug report. |
| 17:59.45 | GI_Jack | alright lets give this a shot |
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| 18:02.10 | Wiward_x | hello |
| 18:02.17 | Wiward_x | buenas tardes |
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| 18:02.36 | mchecca | who hit the SAP button? |
| 18:02.46 | mchecca | :) |
| 18:02.53 | babilen | mchecca: what do you mean? |
| 18:03.11 | mchecca | Wiward_x said buenas tardes |
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| 18:03.40 | babilen | Wiward_x: Please speak English in this channel. If you are looking for a Spanish one, try #debian-es |
| 18:04.07 | mchecca | I don't speak Spanish, just English |
| 18:04.41 | babilen | mchecca: I don't understand how "Buenas tardes" is related to the software company SAP, but this is off-topic and not a discussion worth pursuing anyway. |
| 18:04.51 | Wiward_x | sorry |
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| 18:05.02 | babilen | Wiward_x: No problem :) |
| 18:05.15 | mchecca | on your tv, the SAP button broadcasts in spanish instead of english |
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| 18:05.41 | kanneblei | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.05 | GI_Jack | ahhhh it works now |
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| 18:06.17 | Arrowmaster | kanneblei: add a file to the /etc/profile.d/ directory |
| 18:06.30 | babilen | !tell kanneblei -about mentors |
| 18:06.44 | kanneblei | Arrowmaster: My problem is that I wanted to make it portable |
| 18:06.48 | babilen | kanneblei: And yes, profile.d is what you are after |
| 18:07.04 | babilen | kanneblei: Portable among what? |
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| 18:07.49 | kanneblei | vendors. I'm doing an automated build system for deb packages for debian and ubuntu (multiple versions) and rpm packages for multiple ervsions as well |
| 18:08.12 | kanneblei | although, I suppose for the deb part I just need to be compatible among ubuntu and debian |
| 18:08.14 | kanneblei | will it work? |
| 18:08.25 | ws2k3 | babillen i have added some tags |
| 18:08.34 | ws2k3 | but how the script is executed at shutdown |
| 18:08.39 | ws2k3 | and i wanne run the start at bootup. |
| 18:08.43 | kanneblei | should I add that line on a postinst script? |
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| 18:09.29 | ansgar | kanneblei: Why do you want to add something to /etc/profile at all? |
| 18:09.41 | babilen | kanneblei: It'll work on Debian, but I can't tell you anything about Ubuntu. Channels of interest comprise #debian-mentors, #debian-ubuntu (OFTC) and #ubuntu-devel (freenode) |
| 18:10.03 | kanneblei | ansgar: I wanted to add a directory to PYTHONPATH |
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| 18:11.09 | ansgar | kanneblei: Why? For individual programs you can set it in a wrapper script if you need it (and it would then work for zsh users as well). |
| 18:11.18 | babilen | kanneblei: (#debian-python too) -- why don't you just use the normal Python infrastructure? But this is a highly packaging related problem and I would recommend to take this to more suitable channel like those already mentioned. |
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| 18:14.26 | zen_monkey | how serious is "ext3-fs error (device sdc2) ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode bloc" |
| 18:14.29 | zen_monkey | ? |
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| 18:14.41 | yobdabr | sendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody |
| 18:15.10 | yobdabr | id nobody -> uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup) csoportok=65534(nogroup) |
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| 18:15.33 | kanneblei | babilen, thank you for all the help. As I'm off-topic I took this to private. But I agree, the packaging SHOULD have been done differentely, though it wasn't so now that's that. :) I'll get around to fixing it, once I've learned more on the subject |
| 18:15.41 | yobdabr | can somebody help me? |
| 18:15.53 | kanneblei | I'm old to linux, but very new to distributing my stuff. |
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| 18:16.08 | Enverex | I'm getting insanely slow GTK redraw speeds, but 3D performance is still pretty much perfect. Has anyone experienced this lately? (I don't know if it's because of a driver updat or newer XOrg) |
| 18:16.30 | jelly | yobdabr: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:16.32 | pipeline | Enverex: maybe you're using a really badly behaving gtk engine |
| 18:16.42 | pipeline | Enverex: change your theme to something non-pixmap based and see what happens :P |
| 18:16.55 | Enverex | pipeline, It's the default Gnome them |
| 18:17.01 | Enverex | *theme |
| 18:17.06 | babilen | kanneblei: No need to take this to a private discussion when there are many skilled people around. It's just that there are other channels that are much better suited for discussion (and getting input from DDs/DMs/skilled users than this one. |
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| 18:17.49 | babilen | ) |
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| 18:19.19 | DammitJim | is urxvt a terminal emulator? |
| 18:19.26 | Enverex | pipeline, For example bringing up the Pidgin window immediately shows a grey window sized box for about 5 seconds, then draws the window properly |
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| 18:19.50 | pipeline | Enverex: that's pretty weird |
| 18:19.50 | pipeline | DammitJim: yes |
| 18:19.54 | pipeline | Enverex: proprietary drivers ? |
| 18:20.02 | Enverex | pipeline, Yeah, nVidia 270.30 |
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| 18:20.19 | pipeline | Enverex: shiiit. Try to replicate with nv or nouveau before filing a bug. |
| 18:20.21 | Enverex | pipeline, 3D is fine which is why it's odd. |
| 18:20.31 | DammitJim | or is it rxvt, pipeline ? |
| 18:20.32 | pipeline | Enverex: 3d is just one extension: glx |
| 18:20.32 | Enverex | pipeline, Those two are pretty much that slow normally! lol |
| 18:20.40 | pipeline | DammitJim: rxvt are always urxvt |
| 18:20.43 | pipeline | Enverex: nah not even close |
| 18:20.51 | kanneblei | babilen: ok, for now I think my problem is solved. Once I get around to do it properly, I'll see to it that I look for those channels. Thank you for all the help! |
| 18:21.07 | pipeline | Enverex: they're usually pretty snappy. Even nv, the dumb framebuffer driver, is pretty fast -- modern computers are stupid fast |
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| 18:21.13 | pipeline | DammitJim: rxvt and urxvt are both terminal emulators |
| 18:21.38 | DammitJim | but they are different? |
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| 18:21.40 | Enverex | pipeline, That's why it's odd, this is a quad core i7, so even if it was using software rendering it should be faster |
| 18:21.41 | pipeline | Enverex: at any rate, there are dozens of extensions involved in drawing that GTK window. GLX is the simple case. |
| 18:21.44 | pipeline | DammitJim: I belivee so. |
| 18:21.55 | pipeline | Enverex: I would try with nv or nouveau and see if you can recreate the problem. If then, report a bug. |
| 18:21.57 | DammitJim | I have a configuration file for urxvt, but I don't know if I can use it with xrvt |
| 18:22.05 | pipeline | DammitJim: couldn't tell you |
| 18:22.09 | jelly | DammitJim: rxvt does not support multibyte locales (UTF-8) properly |
| 18:22.09 | Arrowmaster | Enverex: so you installed the nvidia drivers using the installer from nvidia.com? |
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| 18:22.51 | DammitJim | seems wheezy doesn't have that package for urxvt... only rxvt |
| 18:23.04 | jelly | DammitJim: apt-cache search rxvt-unicode |
| 18:23.04 | Enverex | Arrowmaster, I used sgfxi which downloads and builds the driver assuming you're out of date. Next best thing to a package (considering how out of date the Debian packages are and my hardware isn't supported in the official packages) |
| 18:23.13 | jelly | DammitJim: or just rxvt |
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| 18:23.40 | DammitJim | jelly, I installed rxvt, but I have a config file for urxvt |
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| 18:23.51 | jelly | so install and use the right one |
| 18:24.13 | jelly | there are subtle differences in their Xresources |
| 18:24.29 | Arrowmaster | use rxvt-unicode |
| 18:24.46 | Enverex | pipeline, I'll try with nouveau and check back |
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| 18:29.35 | cobe571 | iceweasel (debian 6.0.0) do not display the characters Japanese and Chinese. I installed the locales additional fonts, changed encoding to utf-8 and nothing. some suggestions? |
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| 18:31.24 | Arrowmaster | cobe571: worked for me without having to do anything at all, sure its not the site you are trying to view that has the problem? |
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| 18:32.17 | cobe571 | Arrowmaster: no really i tried everything... google faq ect... |
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| 18:34.31 | zen_monkey | how can i run an fsck on my / drive? is behaving weird |
| 18:35.02 | babilen | cobe571: You installed the packages I mentioned earlier and iceweasel is still not working with CJK websites? |
| 18:35.03 | zen_monkey | is there a recovery mode at boot? |
| 18:35.12 | cobe571 | Arrowmaster: there's an example http://www.jnto.go.jp/ and there the way i saw that: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/9999 |
| 18:35.17 | babilen | !tell zen_monkey -about forcefsck |
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| 18:36.16 | babilen | cobe571: You restarted X (shouldn't be absolutely necessary, but can't hurt) and iceweasel after the installation? What did you install? |
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| 18:37.08 | cobe571 | babilen: yes i restarted X.. sure, but nothing. im going to be mad |
| 18:37.38 | yobdabr | how can i repair corrupted etc_user and etc_group files? |
| 18:37.41 | babilen | cobe571: You can also select different fonts within Iceweasel. Go to "Edit→Preferences→Content→Fonts→Advanced→Japanese/Chinese/Korean/ |
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| 18:38.23 | Arrowmaster | cobe571: do you have the ttf-japanese-mincho and ttf-japanese-gothic virtual packages installed? |
| 18:38.24 | yobdabr | zabbix is unmake my groups and users |
| 18:38.25 | cobe571 | babilen: its what i do.... :( |
| 18:38.27 | zen_monkey | babilen, tell wont tell :p... |
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| 18:40.24 | zen_monkey | babilen, i stand corrected, havent seen the priv :D |
| 18:40.26 | yobdabr | somebody can help me? |
| 18:40.38 | babilen | cobe571: So what did you install? What does "aptitude search '~i~nxfonts|~i~nttf-'" return? → paste.debian.net -- Here's mine: (the website you mentioned works perfectly) http://paste.debian.net/110901/ |
| 18:40.50 | babilen | zen_monkey: hehe :) |
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| 18:41.00 | Jemt | Hi. Is it possible to copy a symbolic link to a new folder, while maintaining a valid link? "cp -d myFile myFolder/myFile" will produce an invalid link |
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| 18:41.35 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.45 | Jemt | Bushmills: It is not |
| 18:42.19 | Jemt | Bushmills: I would expect cp to be able to modify the link |
| 18:42.31 | Bushmills | why should cp do that? |
| 18:42.48 | Jemt | Bushmills: Because it would make sense :) |
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| 18:43.05 | Bushmills | wouldn't be a copy, but a conversion |
| 18:43.13 | Jemt | If I move a file to a deeper location, cp could easily add "../" to the link for each folder |
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| 18:43.18 | Jemt | Bushmills: True |
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| 18:43.37 | Jemt | Perhaps another program can do what I want |
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| 18:44.39 | cobe571 | babilen: http://www.pasteall.org/19991 |
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| 18:45.43 | mee | Jemt: you can just create a new link and delete the old one. If you need atomicity, there is a slightly more complicated way to do that too |
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| 18:46.55 | Jemt | mee: I need it to adjust the link automatically. But I'll look into creating a small application that can do what I want |
| 18:46.59 | Jemt | Thanks guys |
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| 18:47.58 | babilen | cobe571: Please run "aptitude install xfonts-intl-asian xfonts-kaname ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho" and try again |
| 18:48.11 | Bushmills | i think symlinks can convert them |
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| 18:48.30 | cobe571 | babilen :) it works now! thank you thank you thank you :))) |
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| 18:49.05 | simonrvn | ,find bin/symlinks |
| 18:49.32 | Bushmills | package symlinks :) |
| 18:50.03 | Arrowmaster | babilen: i think sazanami is replacing kochi |
| 18:50.17 | Jemt | simonrvn: Cool, I'll look into it. Thank you ! :) |
| 18:50.47 | simonrvn | cool util. thank Bushmills |
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| 18:51.06 | babilen | cobe571: You are welcome. You might also want to install additional fonts. Run "apt-cache search japanese fonts" to see most of them. I would also recommend to install the ttf-arphic- packages ... but I am not a Japanese font expert because I only speak/read Chinese. Arrowmaster mentioned that you might actually want to install "ttf-sazanami-gothic ttf-sazanami-mincho" ... |
| 18:51.09 | simonrvn | i've wanted something like that for.. years? :) |
| 18:51.26 | Bushmills | http://doc.scarydevilmonastery.net/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man1/symlinks.1.gz?type=man <- man page |
| 18:51.36 | Arrowmaster | cobe571: 'aptitude install ttf-sazanami-gothic ttf-sazanami-mincho' should be enough, thats all i have and the page you linked displays fine |
| 18:52.07 | babilen | cobe571: So run "aptitude remove ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho ; aptitude install ttf-sazanami-gothic ttf-sazanami-mincho" to make the transition |
| 18:52.10 | Arrowmaster | babilen: i dont have the xfonts-* ones so they arent needed |
| 18:52.36 | Bushmills | but doesn't seem to convert relative to absolute |
| 18:52.49 | cobe571 | ill do.... thx :) |
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| 18:53.13 | babilen | Arrowmaster: yeah, not absolutely necessary, but the fonts in there might be used by applications that can't handle ttf/otf fonts. *shrug* no font installation guru, but a typeface fanatic :) |
| 18:53.17 | simonrvn | should be an option to do so.. damn |
| 18:54.03 | wormwood | greetings all, I have a few scripts lying around that I use on different machines / OS's. Prob is the executable are located in different areas *and* have different names. Was wondering what the best approach is to fix this. An install script of some sort? |
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| 18:54.26 | Miesco_ | What font can be readable and fit 160 columns on 1024 pixel screen |
| 18:54.42 | Jemt | Bushmills: Oh, it was you who suggested Symlinks - thanks :) |
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| 18:54.44 | babilen | Miesco_: terminus maybe? |
| 18:54.59 | Miesco_ | babilen: Tried, not quite, only 2 sizes |
| 18:55.01 | bsdnux | i use lvm for xen domUs (virtual machines). one vm is a hardware virtualized freebsd, so the lvm partition contains bsd slices, which in turn contain bsd partitions. i can map the "slice" (= fdisk partition) using kpartx, but is there a way to actually mount the bsd partitions inside the slice? |
| 18:55.44 | Jemt | Nope, Symlinks is sure missing an option converting an relative path to an absolute path - that would be great |
| 18:55.49 | Miesco_ | wait |
| 18:55.53 | Miesco_ | babilen: Wait maybe |
| 18:56.03 | Arrowmaster | thats only 6px per character including spacing, i dont think its possible to have a great readable font at that size |
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| 18:57.04 | cobe571 | Arrowmaster - babilen: everything its perfect now... really thank you to everyone :) |
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| 18:57.26 | davetoo | hmm |
| 18:57.54 | davetoo | I must be getting senile. I had my USB external disk mounted yesterday while I was building this new squeeze system, but I can't remember how I did so |
| 18:58.07 | davetoo | it's a VMWare ESXi guest |
| 18:58.30 | Bushmills | davetoo: avocados |
| 18:58.40 | ElDiabolo | Since squeeze its that every time I start evolution it asks for a charset. Any hints on how to stop this annoyance? |
| 18:58.50 | davetoo | guacawhata? |
| 18:58.59 | Bushmills | said to improve memory |
| 18:59.01 | davetoo | CRS remedy? |
| 18:59.02 | simonrvn | guacamole |
| 18:59.03 | davetoo | :) |
| 18:59.24 | babilen | Miesco_: inconsolata, dejavu sans mono, lucida console, bitstream vera sans mono, ... come to mind as well |
| 18:59.39 | aum | i've dist-upgraded from squeeze to sid - on starting evolution, it now just hangs there with a non-repainting window - seems to be migrating data - should it be taking several minutes? |
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| 19:00.04 | vatzec | babilen: I've tried update-grub and grub-install /dev/sda, but it results with a "unknown device type" error |
| 19:00.13 | vatzec | "Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/sda1 failed." |
| 19:00.13 | Bushmills | sid is not really "an upgrade" |
| 19:00.35 | aum | it is a dist-upgrade |
| 19:00.38 | ElDiabolo | aum, Depends on the data. Yes. |
| 19:00.41 | Bushmills | best thing to do with broken sid apps is to fix them, i suppose |
| 19:00.44 | davetoo | so what are they keywords I need to search for? :) I was at /media/usb0 |
| 19:00.47 | babilen | Miesco_: Good luck in finding a good font! I'm off, have a nice day :) |
| 19:01.00 | babilen | waves |
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| 19:05.22 | masters | Hello, I've found myself in a situation where it'd be useful for me to install Lenny 5.0 and I've tried my hardest but haven't found an ISO anywhere |
| 19:05.46 | masters | It seems that it hasn't been moved into archive.debian.org yet and it's not on the cdimage.debian.org |
| 19:06.06 | masters | I appreciate help with this matter :) |
| 19:06.21 | Jemt | Bye, thanks again, Bushmills |
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| 19:13.55 | s3a | Does anyone here know which Debian version the WM8505 installer installs?: http://projectgus.com/files/abrasive_mirror/wm8505_linux/1.0/ |
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| 19:15.22 | zen_monkey | how can i move the whole sistem to another drive? this one is going nuts :s |
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| 19:15.42 | LemensTS | Thu Mar 17 01:14:52 GMT-6 2011 <---how do i set daylight savings |
| 19:15.49 | LemensTS | its 02:14 |
| 19:16.16 | davetoo | w00t! |
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| 19:16.59 | kingsley | zen_monkey: Do you have a backup copy? |
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| 19:17.22 | Bushmills | zen_monkey: rsync may be a good tool |
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| 19:17.55 | kingsley | zen_monkey: Or are you trying to back it up now, or make a bootable image? |
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| 19:18.31 | s3a | Based on an essay I read, I came up with this summary for the Queen vs Chase case: "In 1987, he was initially convicted of sexual assault and then the conviction dropped to regular assault but then in the end, he was convicted of sexual assault because of the definition of sexual assault which says that the person must have a sexual intent. Equivalently, disrespect for human dignity and sexual integrity of the victim also constitutes sexual assault." |
| 19:18.31 | s3a | Is there anything incorrect here? |
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| 19:18.56 | Bushmills | yes. you didn't mention "debian" in it |
| 19:19.08 | s3a | oops |
| 19:19.10 | s3a | wrong channel |
| 19:19.12 | s3a | lol |
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| 19:19.27 | kingsley | Bushmills: Heh. |
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| 19:19.28 | xemacs4321 | 1 more for my ignore list |
| 19:19.30 | s3a | But can someone check out my Debian situation too :) |
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| 19:19.44 | slept | update-notifier suggests to install ubuntu-system-service , wtf ? |
| 19:20.13 | slept | I mean when installing update-notifier |
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| 19:20.36 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
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| 19:21.02 | kristian-aalborg | what is the smallest installaition of debian that will let me build a kernel.deb? |
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| 19:22.28 | kristian-aalborg | kernel is for debian, btw, but that should not matter...? |
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| 19:23.01 | xemacs4321 | kristian-aalborg, debootstap , base, (no dedsk top then add what is stays in install manual for tools , should werk |
| 19:23.10 | yobdabr | can somebody help me about corrupted etc/group, etc/gshadow and etc/passwd, etc/shadow? |
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| 19:24.05 | slept | kristian-aalborg, build-essential should do |
| 19:24.10 | slept | + base |
| 19:24.39 | yobdabr | some services error (with no user, no group messages), but thes users and groups ar defined |
| 19:25.31 | xemacs4321 | yobdabr, are the shadow files and text files properly synced |
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| 19:26.14 | yobdabr | xemacs: how? is any command? |
| 19:26.34 | kristian-aalborg | how much space would it be? |
| 19:26.39 | xemacs4321 | did you edit the text files then readd them to the real files ? |
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| 19:27.01 | Tekku | Good Night yall |
| 19:27.02 | xemacs4321 | i dont rember how there is g????command to turn off and on shadow |
| 19:27.13 | zen_monkey | kingsley, sorry, was reading... i don't have backup... it started weirding a few moments ago |
| 19:27.46 | h3sp4wn | kristian-aalborg: will you use ``make deb'' or kernel-package ? |
| 19:28.07 | kingsley | zen_monkey: Can you describe the hard drive's symptoms? |
| 19:28.13 | zen_monkey | Bushmills, i just rsync -avz to another drive and then reinstall grub |
| 19:28.13 | kristian-aalborg | h3sp4wn: probably make deb |
| 19:28.14 | xemacs4321 | kristian-aalborg, we have no idea, architecture ......, my guess would be under 5G |
| 19:28.19 | yobdabr | xemacs: i try install zabbix, and zabbix modify my user account files |
| 19:28.39 | xemacs4321 | yobdabr, i dont know that one |
| 19:28.40 | Bushmills | zen_monkey: you may want -H and -S too |
| 19:28.53 | kristian-aalborg | I have 2 gigs to spare - this is an Eee 2g surf |
| 19:28.54 | zen_monkey | kingsley, end request, i/o error, dev sdc, sector xxxxxxxx |
| 19:29.13 | Bushmills | and -x, to prevent /proc, /dev and such to be rsynced |
| 19:29.33 | xemacs4321 | kristian-aalborg that might get lil tight |
| 19:29.44 | zen_monkey | kingsley, init id 1 respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 19:30.00 | kristian-aalborg | I have Ubuntu 10.4 netinst on it now, takes up 1.2 gigs |
| 19:30.34 | kristian-aalborg | (including the somewhat too-big kernel-building deps) |
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| 19:33.57 | kingsley | zen_monkey: I would humbly only suggest that you be careful of data that mentions the name or ID of the original hard drive. I suppose if you can copy the data to a new hard drive, and boot that, error messages mentioning the name or ID of the old hard drive may have obvious fixes. |
| 19:34.11 | xemacs4321 | kristian-aalborg, ubuntu is desktop only , they do not let you install simply base text |
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| 19:34.51 | zen_monkey | kingsley, i'm confused.. what? |
| 19:34.55 | zen_monkey | lol :p |
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| 19:35.26 | kristian-aalborg | xemacs4321: yes they do |
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| 19:36.39 | kristian-aalborg | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <--- xemacs4321 |
| 19:36.39 | xemacs4321 | kristian-aalborg, there are alot of other distros, www.distrowatch.com has nice list |
| 19:37.22 | kristian-aalborg | yes, perhaps I should clarify what I'm after and then take suggestions |
| 19:37.41 | nascentmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.48 | kingsley | zen_monkey: For example, if your old hard drive is named "/mnt/hda" and the new one is named "/mnt/hdb", and if an application returns an error message like "Could not find /mnt/hda" when you using the new hard drive, maybe you should reconfigure the application to point to the new hard drive. |
| 19:37.56 | kingsley | needs to go. |
| 19:37.58 | kristian-aalborg | I have a very old laptop that I'd like a new kernel for - this laptop runs the ubuntu I just linked to |
| 19:38.09 | xemacs4321 | kristian-aalborg, i am done with you, not willing to do the leg work yourself gl |
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| 19:38.33 | kingsley | s/using/use/ |
| 19:40.02 | kristian-aalborg | I also have the Eee that I mentioned - I'd like to build on this machine with the most effective installation of whatever distro lets me build a kernel.deb - my main box (this) is a bit sick atm so it'll probably die before finishing - and I like to keep it free for surfing etc |
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| 19:40.47 | kristian-aalborg | xemacs4321: describing what you're looking to do and listen to others is not being lazy |
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| 19:42.10 | gratnam11_ | how do i check for an installed package |
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| 19:42.55 | kristian-aalborg | gratnam11_: if "aptitude search package" gives an "i". you have it |
| 19:43.14 | zen_monkey | kingsley, i got it now |
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| 19:44.20 | aum | after dist-upgrade to sid, evolution has hosed my data and now won't start |
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| 19:45.50 | eshat | Hi all, what is the way to go to restart networking on a server (configured with /etc/network/interfaces) ??? |
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| 19:46.14 | kristian-aalborg | eshat: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:46.39 | eshat | kristian-aalborg: no,... i get a message, that this is not the way to go |
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| 19:47.40 | kristian-aalborg | eshat: force-reload? |
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| 19:48.03 | MrFrood | When I run /bin/dash the message "/bin/dash: Bad substitution" is repeatedly shown |
| 19:48.06 | zen_monkey | does netinst support ppp? |
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| 19:48.16 | zen_monkey | with a 3g modem |
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| 19:48.45 | karlpinc | zen_monkey: See the install guide. It knows. |
| 19:48.48 | karlpinc | !tell zen_monkey about ig |
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| 19:49.11 | redax | hi |
| 19:49.22 | redax | is there anybody using cryptoloop? |
| 19:49.48 | eshat | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
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| 19:55.20 | pistache | pam_warn (8) - PAM module which logs all PAM items if called |
| 19:55.23 | pistache | wow, sorry |
| 19:55.35 | redax | hm. what is sfkd ? |
| 19:56.00 | kristian-aalborg | eshat: dunno, then, sorry |
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| 19:58.24 | pistache | i've got a question about pam and the $HOME environment variable, is this the good place to ask ? |
| 19:58.43 | pistache | before that, good evening, of course |
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| 20:01.05 | Rovan | Is it impossible to make a NTFS partition smaller in the installer of Debian? |
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| 20:04.51 | vatzec | Is it possible to revert an upgrade halfway through? |
| 20:04.58 | vatzec | To get back to a pre-upgrade state? |
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| 20:06.36 | xemacs4321 | valdyn, downgrades is not possible or supported by most package managers |
| 20:06.39 | jelly-home | vatzec: do you have a backup of that pre-upgrade state? |
| 20:06.52 | vatzec | Nope. I know, I know... |
| 20:07.03 | jelly-home | shrug |
| 20:07.06 | vatzec | :-) |
| 20:07.32 | vatzec | I'd better just copy all the data and install Squeeze I guess. |
| 20:08.02 | vatzec | I was trying to upgrade from Lenny, but what I got to administrate was a server that was previously managed by someone else, so I was quite confused. |
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| 20:08.23 | brmam | Is having squeeze the same thing as having stable in my apt sources list file? |
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| 20:09.20 | MrFrood | brmam: yes |
| 20:09.32 | brmam | MrFrood: Thanks. |
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| 20:10.26 | vatzec | What are the directories that can contain important files I may want to have after re-installation? Apart from /etc, /var/www and the homedirs? |
| 20:11.32 | brmam | vatzec: What other services do you run? |
| 20:12.17 | vatzec | sshd, apache2, postfix, vsftpd, mysql |
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| 20:14.25 | brmam | vatzec: Probably /var/lib and your /home if you have any keeys generated. Maybe /var/spool on the mail, not sure if that is what postfix uses. |
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| 20:14.48 | abrotman | brmam: no, it is not the same |
| 20:14.51 | abrotman | MrFrood: that's not true |
| 20:14.53 | vatzec | Oh, thanks. :-) How about the mysql databases? What's the best way to back them up? |
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| 20:15.06 | abrotman | brmam: squeeze is *always* squeeze .. stable will not always be squeeze |
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| 20:15.34 | abrotman | vatzec: mysql.com has suggested guidelines IIRC |
| 20:15.37 | brmam | vatzec: /var/lib should contain the database files, but you should run a mysqldump to back up the databases. |
| 20:15.44 | yobdabr | can somebody help me about user accounts and groups? |
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| 20:15.52 | dutchfish | *cough* /var/lib/mysql |
| 20:16.16 | yobdabr | some services can't run, because zabbix modified the users accounts and groups |
| 20:16.56 | vatzec | Alright, thanks! |
| 20:17.00 | yobdabr | clamav-daemon needed existing user group, sendmail needed existing user, etc. |
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| 20:17.49 | yobdabr | these groups and users are existing, but the services says need for running |
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| 20:18.00 | yobdabr | please help me |
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| 20:21.21 | dutchfish | yobdabr, did you try at #zabbix channel on efnet irc? |
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| 20:22.06 | yobdabr | dutchfish: no |
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| 20:24.31 | hotwings | im using "debuild binary" in debian testing to build packages for xine-lib-1.2... is it possible (and if so, how) to make debuild using all cpu cores? multi-thread compile or whatever its called |
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| 20:27.49 | MrFrood | abrotman: educate me, what is the difference now (I know there will be a difference when wheezy goes stable)? |
| 20:28.08 | abrotman | there is no difference *now* .. but there is a huge difference .. and that should be made clear |
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| 20:28.31 | abrotman | MrFrood: it's called "accidental upgrade" .. and it's a crappy thing to have happen |
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| 20:29.21 | drawks | hey all |
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| 20:29.49 | phik | lol yeah i had "accidental upgrade" |
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| 20:30.38 | phik | not a mission critical system, so i still just grab packges from stable aslong as its not linked to the newer versions |
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| 20:31.04 | MrFrood | fare point, I should of made that clear, but just to get things clear for the duration that squeeze is stable both act in the same way - yes? |
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| 20:31.08 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I clean up package information from "apt-get update", when I'm done installing packages? |
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| 20:32.05 | hotwings | i always set my apt sources to "stable", "testing", or "unstable"... i never use the toy story names.. is this a bad thing? |
| 20:32.08 | anao | apt-get clean |
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| 20:32.34 | dutchfish | hotwings, debuild -sa -j3 (where the 3 is the number of threads on a 2core system) |
| 20:33.07 | anao | now you must set squeeze or sid |
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| 20:35.26 | hotwings | dutchfish thanks |
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| 20:36.12 | hotwings | what does -sa do? didnt see anything in manpage about it |
| 20:36.24 | birdpoop | HI, can anyone help me with this error /etc/init.d/apache2: line 44: /etc/apache2/envvars: No such file or directory |
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| 20:36.33 | birdpoop | happened after reinstalling apache2 |
| 20:36.59 | birdpoop | it sais that when i try to start apache |
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| 20:37.17 | lilibox | hi |
| 20:37.27 | lilibox | i would like to know this |
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| 20:38.28 | lilibox | i am running debian in text mode, i would like to have over xterm opened firefox, what minimum to install? |
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| 20:39.08 | dutchfish | hotwings, option "-sa" to include the original orig.tar.gz source |
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| 20:39.33 | dutchfish | hotwings, -S is source -B is binary |
| 20:40.14 | dutchfish | hotwings, also see: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
| 20:41.23 | dutchfish | hotwings, also checkout dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 20:41.27 | Bushmills | lilibox: on the same computer? |
| 20:41.33 | hotwings | thanks dutchfish |
| 20:41.41 | dutchfish | yw |
| 20:41.51 | lilibox | Bushmills> no |
| 20:42.12 | Bushmills | lilibox: then you need to be more specific |
| 20:42.16 | lilibox | i need access on debian from win7 |
| 20:42.48 | Bushmills | clarify "access" |
| 20:42.53 | Bushmills | pinging is already a sort of access |
| 20:43.16 | lilibox | ok, i want call xterm on win7 machine, where i will see debian's server desktop with fire fox on it |
| 20:43.30 | Bushmills | fir a start, install ssh on debian machine, and putty on win7 |
| 20:43.39 | Bushmills | for |
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| 20:43.49 | lilibox | Bushmills> i got it |
| 20:43.53 | lilibox | i use screen also |
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| 20:44.11 | Bushmills | but to run graphical programs on debian machine, and have their output displayed on windows, you need an X server on windows |
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| 20:44.24 | lilibox | but i need to have graphics environmetn able run some basic internet browser |
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| 20:44.29 | Bushmills | alternatively, vnc server on debian, vnc client on windows |
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| 20:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: That requires a full X installation on the debian box. |
| 20:45.06 | lilibox | Bushmills> yes, but what minimum install to have desktop on server? i do not want install full KDE or similar environment |
| 20:45.12 | Bushmills | well, just stating the options |
| 20:45.30 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: I have heard that putty has an X server, or that there is a free one available (not running windows since 2004 I don't know for sure). |
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| 20:45.33 | Bushmills | no need for kde or similar |
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| 20:45.47 | lilibox | i am not linux guy, but i love debian running in text mode for its "tiny-lighting" |
| 20:45.53 | Bushmills | never heard of an X server with putty |
| 20:46.01 | lilibox | and then i do not want install and run another 200mb of ...s.. :) |
| 20:46.40 | Bushmills | lilibox: for text mode, you don't need X. sshd on debian, putty on windows, is enough |
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| 20:47.42 | lilibox | yes, but as i said, i need run and browse internet browser on debian server side |
| 20:47.47 | Bushmills | (21:44:10) Bushmills: but to run graphical programs on debian machine, and have their output displayed on windows, you need an X server on windows |
| 20:47.52 | lilibox | remotely connected from windows7 |
| 20:47.56 | Jemt | Mmm, where do apt-get store information about packages? |
| 20:47.59 | DammitJim | how do I install urxvt on debian? |
| 20:48.04 | dutchfish | lilibox, for x on windows google xwing and see: http://static.msi.umn.edu/user_support/xclient/xwin_config.html |
| 20:48.10 | lilibox | ok |
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| 20:48.57 | mee | DammitJim: aptitude install urxvt. You might also want to update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
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| 20:49.20 | dutchfish | lilibox, my mistake i meant http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ |
| 20:49.22 | DammitJim | mee, are those 2 different commands? |
| 20:49.31 | mee | DammitJim: yes, both to be run as root. |
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| 20:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | lilibox: There are text only web browsers like lynx, links, and w3m. |
| 20:50.35 | DammitJim | mee, there was no package for urxvt |
| 20:50.39 | DammitJim | but the second command let me pick it? |
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| 20:51.14 | mee | DammitJim: ah, it's called rxvt-unicode |
| 20:51.26 | DammitJim | what? it's the same thing? |
| 20:51.34 | DammitJim | OMG... why didn't the internet tell me that! LOL |
| 20:51.34 | mee | btw, I found that with 'aptitude search rxvt' |
| 20:51.40 | lilibox | jhutchins_lt> yes, i found it already, unfortunatly lot of pages use too much bitmap pictures as buttons :( |
| 20:52.10 | dutchfish | lilibox, why not simply install Debian? |
| 20:52.22 | DammitJim | that's interesting... but puzzling at the same time because I can't fix the font in it |
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| 20:55.06 | AthomIk | is complex to install wheezy per debootstrap on usb disk, and reboot on this... |
| 20:55.12 | lilibox | i use some apps created just for windows only and wine won't handle them |
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| 20:56.32 | ElDiabolo | lilibox, If they aren't games, virtualbox or kvm can probably run them. |
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| 20:57.18 | birdpoop | Hello, somehow when i do a2enmod php5 it sais Module php5 does not exist |
| 20:58.05 | dutchfish | birdpoop, is libapache2-mod-php5 installed |
| 20:58.12 | birdpoop | [yes |
| 20:58.45 | birdpoop | its installde |
| 20:59.03 | dutchfish | birdpoop, and php5-common ? |
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| 20:59.40 | birdpoop | hmm i dont think so |
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| 20:59.44 | birdpoop | lemme try that |
| 21:00.36 | birdpoop | dutchfish, its installed too |
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| 21:01.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | are you sure its called php5 not php? |
| 21:01.42 | dutchfish | birdpoop, and you are not watching old browser cache, when you check it? |
| 21:02.11 | birdpoop | im not checking it , im trying to add the module |
| 21:02.22 | birdpoop | to apache2 |
| 21:02.52 | birdpoop | then it sais cannot find module php5 |
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| 21:03.22 | dutchfish | have you installed php5 itself? |
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| 21:03.49 | lilibox | ElDiabolo> those apps are not games |
| 21:04.07 | lilibox | what about install xfce on my yet text based debian |
| 21:04.09 | lilibox | ? |
| 21:04.16 | lilibox | and use midori as browser |
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| 21:04.47 | jhutchins_lt | lilibox: You don't need xfce |
| 21:05.16 | birdpoop | yes thats installed |
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| 21:05.45 | yobdabr | Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Unknown group clamav |
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| 21:05.59 | dutchfish | birdpoop, what debian version do you have? `cat /etc/debian_version` |
| 21:06.06 | yobdabr | getent group | grep clamav -> clamav:x:120: |
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| 21:06.16 | birdpoop | 5.0.3 |
| 21:06.27 | ktwilight__ | strange bug, in sshd_config i have "PermitRootLogin no" but even logging in using ssh keys will still prompt ssh to ask for root password, why? |
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| 21:07.23 | jarray52 | The network squeeze installation CD along with other Linux installers can't recognize my DVD drive. The installers can boot since the BIOS is handling the IO, but the linux kernel drivers don't work. However, the installation CD of CentOS, FreeBSD, and ScientificLinux work since they can do a network install as opposed to using the DVD. Can a similar thing be done with Debian? |
| 21:07.24 | dutchfish | birdpoop, i have no idee at this moment, have you looked at the apche logs when it starts? |
| 21:07.37 | dutchfish | s/apche/apache |
| 21:07.45 | ktwilight__ | nevermind, am dumb. |
| 21:07.54 | lilibox | jhutchins_lt> well, my description is weak i know :(, simply on my win7 desktop i am sitting front now, i want run something like xming which will open window with debian server desktop where is running any internet browser |
| 21:07.54 | birdpoop | no i have not, how do i do this? |
| 21:07.54 | karsten-nr | ktwilight__: Explain. |
| 21:08.05 | tolle | jarray52: sata? |
| 21:08.07 | jhutchins_lt | ktwilight__: Ah, but can they log in? |
| 21:08.08 | birdpoop | but i think apache does not even try to load it |
| 21:08.19 | birdpoop | since it refuses to be added as a module |
| 21:08.40 | ktwilight__ | karsten-nr, pubkeys enabled, and user is logging in as root. |
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| 21:08.48 | lilibox | currently i have got installed just standard text base part and i want stay with it as much as possible |
| 21:09.00 | jhutchins_lt | lilibox: You don't need a desktop on the remote, you can just launch the apps via command line. |
| 21:09.31 | dutchfish | birdpoop, error.log in /var/log/apache2 |
| 21:09.33 | ktwilight__ | karsten-nr, it seems that PermitRootLogin does not adhere to pubkeys, but only to normal login method |
| 21:09.41 | jhutchins_lt | lilibox: It sounds like you haven't tried installing iceweasel yet. |
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| 21:09.45 | birdpoop | ok will check |
| 21:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | birdpoop: a2enmod |
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| 21:10.31 | Raptors | I need quick help. How do I disable GDM on boot? |
| 21:10.43 | Raptors | Nvidia drivers are screwed up and it's making it unusable |
| 21:10.51 | Raptors | I'm on ubuntu livecd |
| 21:10.52 | jarray52 | tolle: It's IDE. |
| 21:11.05 | DammitJim | how do I install the non-free firmware for gpus? |
| 21:11.12 | birdpoop | jhutchins_lt : Ta2enmod php5 gives Module php5 does not exist |
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| 21:11.44 | birdpoop | dutchfish: the log is nearly empty just an icon it cannot find |
| 21:11.48 | lilibox | jhutchins_lt> yes, installing it now |
| 21:12.09 | lilibox | and now from xming i can call it on debian server, right? |
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| 21:13.03 | lilibox | wow |
| 21:13.07 | lilibox | works |
| 21:13.09 | dutchfish | birdpoop, mmm... i have no idee |
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| 21:13.55 | birdpoop | dtuchfish: ok p ty anyway, ill keep looking |
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| 21:14.34 | kW_ | Hello! How do I tell a Debian Squeeze system to use a certain device for encrypted swap with a random key generated at each boot? |
| 21:14.41 | jarray52 | tolle: The hard drives are on SATA, but the DVD is not SATA. I believe the DVD is parallel ata(ide?). |
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| 21:15.30 | dutchfish | birdpoop, is available in /etc/apache2/mods-available ? |
| 21:15.41 | waza-ari | hey all, is there a repository conaining latest clamav / spamassassin packages for debian lenny? |
| 21:15.55 | yobdabr | postfix/pipe[4172]: fatal: get_service_attr: unknown username: vmail |
| 21:15.55 | lilibox | the last thing can you tell me briefly how to use it as screen attach/detach mode? |
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| 21:16.34 | yobdabr | groups vmail -> vmail |
| 21:16.35 | birdpoop | dutchfish : there is only mods-enabled and php is not listed there |
| 21:16.43 | lilibox | i need keep browser running just from time to time attach on it |
| 21:16.52 | lilibox | from win7 |
| 21:17.38 | dutchfish | birdpoop, then something is hosed up there should be a /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 21:18.10 | dutchfish | birdpoop, is apache2 installed and running ? |
| 21:18.13 | birdpoop | hmm i have had some apche problems, took me hours to get apache2 reinstalled |
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| 21:18.39 | birdpoop | because it wouldnt delete it properly |
| 21:19.33 | birdpoop | lol my httpd.conf is completely empty, that cant be right, right? |
| 21:20.02 | dutchfish | !tell birdpoop about confmiss |
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| 21:23.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | birdpoop: apache.conf |
| 21:24.10 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, heis running old-stable |
| 21:24.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: ah |
| 21:24.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: i'll just get back to lurking then |
| 21:25.23 | dutchfish | np, i beleive he messed up manually deleting .config files |
| 21:25.39 | birdpoop | i did rm some stuff |
| 21:25.52 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, mods-available is also missing |
| 21:25.58 | jarray52 | My DVD is recognized by my BIOS but not the Linux kernel on the Debian squeeze installation .iso. Is there a way to get around this in order to install Debian? |
| 21:26.34 | jarray52 | The installer boots but can't find the DVD from which it booted when trying to install. |
| 21:26.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: sounds like this will be a 'fun' one |
| 21:26.40 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 21:26.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | ;) |
| 21:26.52 | Bop | anyone uses vlc with dvb-t ? |
| 21:26.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | gets afk and leaves it to you :) |
| 21:27.22 | dutchfish | birdpoop, did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 21:27.28 | Bop | teletext new option makes vlc 1.1.7 crash :S |
| 21:28.17 | Bop | how can i install vlc-1.1.3-1squeeze3 beeeing on testing tree ? |
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| 21:28.41 | h2mster | hi |
| 21:29.18 | birdpoop | i read it now |
| 21:29.31 | birdpoop | im gonna try that |
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| 21:30.50 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 21:36.22 | linuxman410 | anyone know of a goo tutorial to install commandline system with acess to firefox and xchat but no regular desktop |
| 21:36.27 | linuxman410 | good |
| 21:36.30 | birdpoop | its enabled! |
| 21:36.45 | dutchfish | there you go |
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| 21:37.15 | birdpoop | dutchfish: i used the command u gave on php5 apache and libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:37.20 | dutchfish | birdpoop, never throw away .conf files if you don tknow what you are doing ;) |
| 21:37.32 | birdpoop | hehe ill remember that:P |
| 21:37.34 | karsten-nr | linuxman410: ??? |
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| 21:38.02 | karsten-nr | linuxman410: How do you plan on running firefox and xchat without a desktop (presumably: X11 session)? |
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| 21:38.37 | Bop | how can i downgrade a package ? |
| 21:38.46 | karsten-nr | linuxman410: if you want a console-only system with Web and IRC access, there are commandline web and irc clients (w3m, links, elinks, lynx, irssi ...) |
| 21:38.49 | linuxman410 | i was just talking about without lxde or gnome or kde something like that |
| 21:39.31 | karsten-nr | linuxman410: Um. So: some windowmanager _other_ than LXDE, GNOME, or KDE? Pick one, you've got plenty to choose from. |
| 21:40.09 | karsten-nr | linuxman410: ... though you'll probably find that if you're installing GUI utilities, you're going to end up with most of the KDE / GNOME / gtk support anyhow. |
| 21:40.11 | linuxman410 | is there something lighter than lxde |
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| 21:41.12 | karsten-nr | linuxman410: Yes. Generally: http://xwinman.org/ |
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| 21:41.56 | karsten-nr | linuxman410: I prefer (and am running) windowmaker. There's xfce, blackbox, fvwm2, twm/vtwm, icewm, and a ton of others. Many are no longer actively maintained. |
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| 21:44.15 | bittin | http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/2011-03-16-223016_1280x960_scrot.png |
| 21:44.45 | niko | bittin: please avoid amsg |
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| 21:45.37 | birdpoop | dutchfish: tnx for help |
| 21:45.44 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 21:45.56 | birdpoop | dutchfish: im off now see ya |
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| 21:47.16 | tux0 | :) |
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| 21:49.32 | pozic | How do I make the nvidia driver work on Unstable? |
| 21:49.38 | karsten-nr | I'm looking for a tool to plot sar output. Thought there was a utility for this in Debian but my apt-search fu is weak. |
| 21:49.50 | bittin | what thinks should you have on your Linux installation? |
| 21:50.06 | pozic | The last time I tried this there was some issue with Xorg having changed. |
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| 21:50.27 | euwsjd | Martinp23 here. Christel Dahlskjaer, the female force behind freenode, is on tough times. An old back injury got her addicted to pharmaceutical pain pills, and now without her daily dosage of oxycontin, she will go through nasty junk sickness, and eventually die. Donate £10 or more today. For just £10, Christel can stay doped up for 3 hours. All donators will get a /pdpc/pillhead cloak. Join #freenode to donate today! euwsjd TASAIRES Firestarter pozic babile |
| 21:50.56 | tux0 | pozic have you tried the packages? |
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| 21:51.09 | pozic | tux0: I tried two weeks ago. |
| 21:51.27 | tux0 | need to make sure the packages match the kernel you have |
| 21:51.28 | pozic | tux0: if anything was fixed in the meanwhile, then I could try some command which is know 'know to work'. |
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| 21:51.35 | pozic | known* |
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| 21:51.43 | pozic | !nvidia |
| 21:51.43 | dpkg | Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 21:51.56 | tux0 | pozic it seems to be on-off witht he nvidia drivers in unstable just have to wait |
| 21:51.56 | pozic | I.e., that one. |
| 21:52.28 | tux0 | pozic however if you pay attention to your kernel upgrades/nvidia drivers you shouldn't have an issue |
| 21:52.52 | pozic | tux0: I don't mind using Debian drivers. All they have to do is work. |
| 21:53.26 | pozic | tux0: by that I mean the Debian packages of the nvidia drivers, because I am not going to use the nouveau driver (because it is a joke). |
| 21:53.52 | tux0 | pozic the nvidia binary drivers in the unstable repositories seem to lag behind updated kernel packages |
| 21:54.11 | pozic | tux0: right, that is just language for 'broken'. |
| 21:54.22 | pozic | tux0: so, is there any way to get 'non-broken' Debian packages? |
| 21:54.23 | tolle | Cant use deb-src? |
| 21:54.30 | tux0 | so either wait or try building the drivers from source e.g. apt-get source <appropriate_package> |
| 21:54.33 | pozic | tolle: I can do everything. |
| 21:54.41 | simonrvn | pozic: if you think you can do better, help out |
| 21:54.44 | pozic | tolle: just name the package that will do that. |
| 21:54.50 | yobdabr | mysql restart -> Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 21:55.11 | tolle | pozic: tux0 said it |
| 21:55.11 | pozic | simonrvn: I would just write a script downloading the latest release, install that, possibly keeping track of what gets installed. |
| 21:55.23 | pozic | simonrvn: I have never had an nvidia release _not_ working. |
| 21:55.25 | simonrvn | pozic: i meant with the packaging |
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| 21:55.45 | tolle | Or dont update the kernel untill the nvidia packages are updated. |
| 21:56.11 | tux0 | pay attention to what your doing :) |
| 21:56.17 | pozic | simonrvn: what is the problem with just building a package that does what I suggested? |
| 21:56.21 | tux0 | unlike me :) |
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| 21:56.35 | pozic | simonrvn: (that will always work, AFAIK) |
| 21:56.36 | simonrvn | pozic: like i said, offer your services, ideas, etc |
| 21:56.38 | tolle | We already said it, build the package from the source using debians tools |
| 21:56.51 | pozic | tolle: which package? I.e. a name. |
| 21:57.01 | tolle | The one you want |
| 21:57.38 | pozic | If I would be responsible for Debian, I would distribute a binary by default 'fix my graphics system', which would run automatically when a 'no valid screens found' is generated somewhere. |
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| 21:57.53 | tolle | Your running unstable |
| 21:57.57 | pozic | tolle: so? |
| 21:57.59 | tolle | go figure |
| 21:58.13 | pozic | tolle: it is not as if Stable never has these problems. |
| 21:58.24 | simonrvn | pozic: expecting support here is like expecting milk from a rock |
| 21:58.28 | pozic | tolle: if Stable would be a marvelous piece of engineering, I would use that, of course. |
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| 21:58.49 | babilen | pozic: So you used the one-liner in <nvidia dkms> and have problems? What kind of errors do you experience? Are you sure your device is supported by the driver you installed? (check, e.g. on http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/README/supportedchips.html) |
| 21:58.53 | simonrvn | superiority complex, anyone? |
| 21:59.01 | simonrvn | wanders off |
| 21:59.15 | tolle | Cant fix something yourself? complain about others. |
| 21:59.16 | pozic | babilen: I did that two weeks ago, yes. |
| 21:59.29 | pozic | tolle: I didn't break it. |
| 21:59.36 | babilen | pozic: Which brings us to the second and third question. |
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| 22:00.05 | pozic | babilen: basically No screens found and yes. |
| 22:00.31 | pozic | Anyway, I think it is pretty reasonable to have one command which generates a working system for everyone. |
| 22:00.39 | pozic | Clearly, you just want to keep a broken system forever. |
| 22:00.40 | tolle | Well, if you run the development branch of something stuff might not always be flawless. |
| 22:00.53 | tolle | I wouldnt have updated the kernel when theres no drivers for my gfx for it yet. |
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| 22:01.04 | tolle | Or I would just build the stuff for the kernel |
| 22:01.07 | pozic | tolle: you are making all kinds of assumptions. |
| 22:01.09 | tolle | with the tools provided. |
| 22:01.12 | pozic | tolle: most of them wrong. |
| 22:01.13 | simonrvn | it's um, counter-productive ;) |
| 22:01.21 | tolle | Like what? |
| 22:01.27 | pozic | tolle: like that my kernel is not supported. |
| 22:01.29 | babilen | pozic: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 22:01.53 | babilen | (shall I really get involved here? does not really feel like a technical discussion) |
| 22:02.05 | tolle | Not supported by the driver? |
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| 22:02.15 | tolle | or by the package? |
| 22:02.17 | babilen | pozic: Supported by what? Which kernel is that? |
| 22:02.24 | pozic | babilen: unstable. |
| 22:02.31 | tux0 | :) |
| 22:03.17 | tolle | Does the 190 driver not support your kernel version. or is the nvidia package just built for a different kernel? |
| 22:03.19 | simonrvn | babilen: it isn't |
| 22:03.31 | babilen | pozic: Ok, yes nvidia was (is?) a bit flaky in unstable apparently. Have you tried the 260 drivers from experimental? Can you reproduce the error with the .38 kernel in experimental? |
| 22:03.43 | tolle | I'm just trying to get him to actually state what the actual problem is |
| 22:03.55 | babilen | pozic: And above all: Can you paste your Xorg logs? |
| 22:03.58 | tolle | the nvidia driver in exeperimental is 260, so that will work if he builds from that. |
| 22:04.01 | pozic | babilen: there is not even a command to install the nvidia drivers in dpkg for unstable. |
| 22:04.21 | tolle | apt-get source nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 22:04.24 | pozic | babilen: is there any supported as in 'this should work' in Unstable to install nvidia drivers? |
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| 22:04.47 | tolle | cd into the dir, fix shit if it needs fixing, dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 22:05.10 | tolle | Well he's not even answering me, hard to help then |
| 22:05.24 | babilen | pozic: Bullocks! "aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms" does that just fine. (add -t experimental if you want those, after adding exp to your sources.list) -- May I see a paste of the failed installation attempt? |
| 22:05.44 | pozic | E: Unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 22:06.00 | pozic | I did apt-get update and verified that I have the deb-src line. |
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| 22:06.04 | tolle | well its drivers |
| 22:06.13 | tolle | nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 22:06.17 | babilen | pozic: Carefully compare the package names |
| 22:06.46 | pozic | tolle: then say the correct thing next time. |
| 22:06.53 | pozic | babilen: I did not make the mistake. |
| 22:06.57 | tolle | pozic: I'm not the one with the problems |
| 22:07.03 | babilen | And *I* am talking about nvidia-kernel-dkms -- pozic confirmed that (s)he followed the "nvidia dkms" factoid. |
| 22:07.13 | tolle | "Help me!", then "Fuck off, I had to think for my self" |
| 22:07.38 | pozic | tolle: I did not build this system. The fact that it is broken is not my fault. It is a design failure. |
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| 22:08.01 | tolle | Well you dont seem like the person that should run unstable |
| 22:08.03 | tolle | just saying |
| 22:08.22 | pozic | tolle: everything before unstable is too old. |
| 22:08.24 | babilen | pozic: I don't believe that it is broken. Please follow the factoid and paste your xorg.0.log -- Try the drivers in sid and experimental. |
| 22:08.30 | tolle | To old for what? |
| 22:08.41 | pozic | tolle: for lots of libraries that I want to use. |
| 22:08.43 | babilen | tolle: to not work |
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| 22:09.16 | babilen | pozic: Broad generalising statement and nothing we can work with. Have a nice day! |
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| 22:10.02 | tolle | Libraries for what, development? |
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| 22:10.13 | pozic | tolle: yes |
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| 22:10.34 | tolle | Just smack in a chroot where you have the stuff you need for development. that way you'll keep a slick stable working environment while being able to do cutting edge stuff without breaking your system |
| 22:11.07 | Tiktalik | What window manager does Debian use? |
| 22:11.16 | mee | or if you're feeling more daring, set up linux containers |
| 22:11.22 | pozic | tolle: ok, and what happens when a new driver is released? |
| 22:11.28 | pozic | tolle: e.g. graphics driver. |
| 22:11.31 | tux0 | Tiktalik any one you want to use? |
| 22:11.37 | Tiktalik | oh cool! |
| 22:11.39 | Tiktalik | :D |
| 22:11.47 | tolle | what are you developing? |
| 22:11.49 | mee | Tiktalik: it's customizable, but you'll generally end up with whatever Gnome uses (metacity?) |
| 22:11.53 | babilen | pozic: I was under the impression that you are trying to fix the nvidia installation. There is *absolutely nothing* we or anybody can do about it if you don't give actual results (commands,output,logs) if your attemps. You are now switching the topic to something completely unrelated. I don't understand what you are trying to achieve here. |
| 22:11.57 | pozic | tolle: let's say that this driver fixed some important bug. How long do I have to wait before I can get the fixes? |
| 22:12.12 | tolle | I dont even. |
| 22:12.13 | pozic | babilen: I am building the driver now according to earlier suggestions. |
| 22:12.23 | tolle | Your rambling. |
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| 22:12.55 | tolle | We never really got to know what didnt work with the nvidia drivers |
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| 22:13.12 | babilen | pozic: Have you verified that the dkms version in sid and experimental do not work? What are the actual errors you get? yadda yadda yadda (last time I am going to repeat this) |
| 22:13.28 | pozic | tolle: I told that last time when I spend an hour here complaining about that and reporting everything. |
| 22:13.38 | pozic | tolle: I am not going to tell that twice. |
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| 22:13.56 | tolle | babilen: He just wont give us any damn info about whats wrong, just roughly whats wrong, and then gets pissed that we dont give him a magical command that fixes it. |
| 22:14.09 | babilen | pozic: Don't complain but try to work with the people who are *spending their free time* to help you. Your attitude is, well, a bit counterproductive. |
| 22:14.38 | mee | pozic: I find for complicated issues, I like to write out my problem (with notes of what I've tried) and then throw it in a pastebin for people to look at. Or, take it to a mailing list, which tend to work better for involved problems like you seem to be having. |
| 22:14.52 | AgentC | can any1 introduce me to record a video by webcam on debian/squeeze? |
| 22:15.12 | pozic | So, where does dpkg-buildpackage places its resulting packages? |
| 22:15.21 | ddan | AgentC, did you try cheese? |
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| 22:15.21 | tolle | the parent folder. |
| 22:15.39 | tolle | But well, not sure it will work since I never got to know any logs from your system |
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| 22:16.17 | pozic | tolle: thank you. |
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| 22:16.33 | tolle | It worked? |
| 22:16.44 | pozic | mee: it is a completely trivial problem. |
| 22:16.57 | pozic | tolle: the build worked. |
| 22:17.00 | tolle | We do however not know what it is. only the sympthom. |
| 22:17.13 | mee | pozic: oh, ok. |
| 22:17.24 | pozic | The problem has been caused because Debian messed things up in the first place. |
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| 22:17.35 | pozic | Then I installed the nvidia.com drivers. |
| 22:17.42 | pozic | Then Debian messed things up again. |
| 22:17.45 | tolle | Ah ok. well |
| 22:17.48 | tolle | you fucked it up then |
| 22:17.52 | pozic | No Phd required to understand that. |
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| 22:17.55 | tolle | you overwrote loads of files. |
| 22:18.02 | tolle | So you fucked it up |
| 22:18.07 | pozic | tolle: no, I did not. |
| 22:18.17 | pozic | tolle: it was impossible to install the drivers last time. |
| 22:18.29 | pozic | tolle: so, I just used the ones from nvidia.com, which did work. |
| 22:18.31 | tolle | I'd say that you did. You cant say that debian should know every single command you write and do magic based on it |
| 22:18.41 | pozic | tolle: ... |
| 22:18.46 | pozic | tolle: read again what I said. |
| 22:18.52 | tolle | I know what you said |
| 22:18.57 | tolle | What didnt work back then? |
| 22:19.13 | pozic | tolle: ah, great, errors has been found while installing... |
| 22:19.19 | pozic | er have |
| 22:19.21 | babilen | pozic: Please stop spreading FUD -- the drivers from nvidia.com are *horrible* ... You might get support from them in #nvidia -- It also does not help to make statements like "Debian messed up" -- Give *exact* errors, symptoms and your expectations. I don't have the feeling that you are actually trying to fix this with our help. |
| 22:19.58 | pozic | nvidia-glx nvidia-libvdpau1-ia32 nvidia-libvdpau-dev and lots of others. |
| 22:20.27 | pozic | So, IMHO, the Debian packages are still broken. |
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| 22:20.51 | pozic | I followed your instructions and it does not work. What else do you want to make from that? |
| 22:20.58 | Gabs | Hi all :) ... quick question if anyone knows - can Debian be installed on a Mac using Boot Camp? |
| 22:20.59 | jthm | babilen not the drivers per se? it's their method of installation that somehow breaks debian -not? |
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| 22:21.42 | pozic | I am sure that when I just wget the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com that it will work the very first time. |
| 22:21.45 | babilen | jthm: yes |
| 22:21.49 | SparFux | Hi! On a freshly installed debian slapd, there should be an admin user. Where is the credentials for this user stored? |
| 22:21.51 | ddan | babilen, how come they're horrible? i use them, should i switch to something else? |
| 22:21.59 | pozic | Why do you turn a working system (nvidia.com drivers) into something which does not work? |
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| 22:22.18 | pozic | There is nothing FUD about that. It is science. |
| 22:22.25 | babilen | pozic: If you want any help from me (and #d fwiw) remove every trace of the nvidia.com drivers from your system. Follow the "nvidia dkms" afterwards (try sid *and* experimental packages of nvidia-kernel-dkms) and provide a pastebin with the exact commands and output you executed, your xorg.0.log and the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" |
| 22:22.48 | babilen | ddan: They overwrite other files and don't uninstall cleanly |
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| 22:23.24 | pozic | babilen: considering that it is known that users 'mix drivers', the nvidia Debian package should take that into account. |
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| 22:23.52 | pozic | babilen: its post condition should be a working system, not just assuming a particular set of configurations where people never installed the nvidia.com driver. |
| 22:23.54 | babilen | ddan: They are also not automatically recompiled on kernel upgrades (in contrast to the -dkms ones) |
| 22:24.04 | tolle | Yeah they work if you put alot of work in, the nvidia-installer uninstall program moves files back, so you have to uninstall before updating anything related to the stuff that the nvidia stuff overwrites. |
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| 22:24.31 | tolle | Take that into account? |
| 22:24.33 | tolle | How? |
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| 22:25.02 | babilen | pozic: If you are installing random third-party software you *are on your own* -- Debian supports its own packages. The nvidia upstream channel is in #nvidia and they support their drivers. |
| 22:25.06 | pozic | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110915/ |
| 22:25.25 | ddan | babilen, yeah, i've to reinstall them everytime i recompile a kernel (but i do it at each kernel new version). the nvidia dkms way provides the same drivers? i've slow performances in games, so i'm worried about the fps and such things |
| 22:25.36 | pozic | babilen: that is the unstable one, and it clearly does not work. |
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| 22:25.50 | pozic | babilen: I don't see the point of distributing _non-working_ code. |
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| 22:26.03 | pozic | Just don't distribute anything at all then. |
| 22:26.14 | babilen | pozic: You seem to have made a mess of your system. Please run "aptitude search ~b" and paste the output. |
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| 22:26.50 | dondelelcaro | pozic: it's unstable. Things break, bugs get filed, they get fixed. Welcome to the real world. |
| 22:26.56 | pozic | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110916/ |
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| 22:27.06 | ddan | i guess he installed some packages from sid\experimental that now gives him broken packages |
| 22:27.16 | pozic | dondelelcaro: a working nvidia driver is kind of basic functionality... |
| 22:27.23 | ddan | s/packages/dependencies |
| 22:27.23 | dondelelcaro | pozic: not really |
| 22:27.25 | babilen | ddan: he is running sid |
| 22:27.25 | pozic | dondelelcaro: it is not some 'special' package. |
| 22:27.41 | pozic | dondelelcaro: there are only a handful drivers like that on the planet. |
| 22:27.47 | dondelelcaro | pozic: but even "basic functionality" gets broken from time to time in sid |
| 22:27.55 | tolle | Theres shitloads, you just dont know about them |
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| 22:28.13 | tolle | various wlan drivers, controller drivers, ethernet drivers and lots and lots of third party drivers |
| 22:28.16 | babilen | ddan: The nvidia-kernel-dkms packages the nvidia drivers in a sane way and makes use of DKMS (read about it on wikipedia for example) so they are automatically recompiled once you install a new kernel. The versions available in Debian differ, /msg judd versions nvidia-kernel-dkms, to learn about them. |
| 22:28.39 | ddan | babilen, thanks, i'll investigate more |
| 22:28.43 | pozic | ddan: I did not install any 'experimental' drivers. |
| 22:28.52 | babilen | !tell ddan -about nvidia dkms |
| 22:28.52 | pozic | ddan: babilen suggested that I also tried that. \ |
| 22:28.59 | babilen | !tell ddan -about xorg.conf.d |
| 22:29.17 | pozic | I don't see why experimental drivers are not pushed to unstable if the experimental ones work. |
| 22:29.25 | tolle | define work |
| 22:29.33 | tolle | your complaining about stuff not working, when its working |
| 22:29.36 | pozic | tolle: at least install without any errors. |
| 22:29.38 | babilen | pozic: You want to deal with the broken packages first before you can work on installing the dkms packages. |
| 22:29.42 | tolle | so obviously theres different definitions of working |
| 22:30.57 | babilen | pozic: A good start would be to purge the nvidia-* packages you have. But honestly, I am not really in the mood anymore to help you. |
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| 22:31.15 | pozic | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110918/ |
| 22:31.23 | pozic | babilen: that error message is just ridiculous. |
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| 22:31.32 | tolle | babilen: Might have to purge the libmesa stuff that provides libGL.so to get all the old nvidia stuff away? |
| 22:31.39 | pozic | babilen: I say I want to remove stuff and then it goes to complain that some stuff is not installed. |
| 22:31.55 | pozic | babilen: if this were a company, I would fire whoever came up with that. |
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| 22:32.06 | tolle | That would be you |
| 22:32.17 | babilen | pozic: Also remove nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32 (you want purge) |
| 22:32.31 | tolle | You've gone outside the supported spec and then complain on the guys that wrote the spec. |
| 22:32.37 | dondelelcaro | pozic: apt-get remove nvidia-glx nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32 nvidia-libvdpau-dev nvidia-libvdpau1-ia32; or similar. |
| 22:32.43 | tolle | That the spec doesnt include what you did. |
| 22:33.07 | pozic | dondelelcaro: yes, I already had it. |
| 22:33.07 | dondelelcaro | pozic: so... what's the problem now? |
| 22:33.12 | babilen | pozic: No, nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32 was missing |
| 22:33.41 | babilen | err, no not actually |
| 22:33.46 | pozic | babilen, dondelelcaro : http://paste.debian.net/110919/ |
| 22:33.56 | pozic | Really, I don't see why the machine is causing work for me. |
| 22:34.01 | pozic | I give it clear instructions. |
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| 22:34.07 | pozic | "Remove packages foo and bar". |
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| 22:34.15 | tolle | Yeah, thats due to the manual install |
| 22:34.16 | pozic | Instead it goes on and whine about unimportant things. |
| 22:34.20 | dondelelcaro | pozic: so fix the diversion... |
| 22:34.28 | tolle | use dpkg to remove them with --force-all or something |
| 22:34.37 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 22:34.49 | dondelelcaro | tolle: you NEVER use --force-all. |
| 22:34.50 | pozic | A machine should not tell me that certain things are 'not possible'. |
| 22:34.56 | pozic | Everything computable is possible on a computer. |
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| 22:34.58 | dondelelcaro | (and it wouldn't work in this case, even if you did) |
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| 22:35.20 | tolle | Well I said something, just getting a bit bored with this whole thing. |
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| 22:35.34 | pozic | tolle: then just leave, you are not contributing anything. |
| 22:35.44 | screen-x | !topic |
| 22:36.01 | dondelelcaro | pozic: that's not helpful. |
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| 22:36.08 | Guest40473 | dpkg-reconfigure has dropped me into an ncurses interface for this package, i want to back out of it, though - how can you cleanly shut down a dpkg-reconfigure that is in the middle of something? |
| 22:36.08 | pozic | dondelelcaro: what is not helpful? |
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| 22:36.23 | pozic | dondelelcaro: do you agree that one should be able to remove packages with one command? |
| 22:36.28 | of2vil | hello, i have a current running system (luks + lvm) and want to reinstall debian over it without touching the home partition in lvm - but cryptsetup seems not to come with debian6cd1? can someone tell me how i can install it while being in the debian installer? |
| 22:36.38 | dondelelcaro | pozic: you can when you haven't screwed things up, but that's orthogonal to your problem |
| 22:36.52 | pozic | dondelelcaro: what is 'screwed up'? |
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| 22:36.54 | dondelelcaro | pozic: show us the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgll-nvidia-alternatives.postinst |
| 22:37.06 | pozic | dondelelcaro: just because there are some extra files in some directory? |
| 22:37.18 | tolle | because files have been overwritten |
| 22:37.28 | dondelelcaro | pozic: you've managed to destroy the diversion by a package, which means that what the postinst script thinks is the state of the filesystem is no longer the case, so the postinst script fails. |
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| 22:37.39 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty simple |
| 22:37.41 | pozic | dondelelcaro: diversion? |
| 22:37.48 | dondelelcaro | pozic: yes, a diversion. |
| 22:38.38 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I only know diversions from strategy scenarios. 'to create a diversion'. I have no idea what you mean by that here. |
| 22:38.51 | babilen | pozic: read, for example, "man dpkg-divert" |
| 22:39.30 | pozic | babilen: ok |
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| 22:40.19 | babilen | pozic: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html |
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| 22:41.04 | diegows | hi |
| 22:42.08 | diegows | what's the best place to ask about an issue preseeding libnss-ldap pkg? I can't preseed rootbinddn and rootbindpw |
| 22:42.13 | pozic | dondelelcaro: but that is still just an excuse for the system to not do just what I instructed it to do: remove the package. |
| 22:42.21 | diegows | and do_debconf=false doesn't work |
| 22:42.23 | diegows | :) |
| 22:42.43 | pozic | dondelelcaro: it's not like I removed the package database or something like that. |
| 22:43.08 | dondelelcaro | pozic: it's impossible for the package manager and the scripts to defend against all the different kinds of craziness you could do to your filesystem |
| 22:43.23 | dondelelcaro | pozic: when they find something that is screwed up, they error out so you can fix it to avoid them actually destroying something |
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| 22:43.36 | pozic | dondelelcaro: what is wrong with rm -f list of files? |
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| 22:43.52 | pozic | dondelelcaro: that seems a simple way to remove a package. |
| 22:44.18 | cafuego | pozic: No, it's a simple way to remove files. |
| 22:44.30 | pozic | cafuego: removing a package could be implemented like that. |
| 22:44.30 | cafuego | pozic: Removing a apckage is not the same as removing files. |
| 22:44.40 | pozic | cafuego: yes, I know that. |
| 22:44.47 | pozic | cafuego: but it could work like that. |
| 22:44.53 | cafuego | pozic: I doubt anyone will rewrite the way dpkg works because you want them to. |
| 22:45.02 | dondelelcaro | pozic: in the most simple case, it does work like that. |
| 22:45.05 | dondelelcaro | pozic: this is not a simple case. |
| 22:45.17 | pozic | I don't care how it works. I just observe that it doesn't do what is completely computable. |
| 22:45.34 | simonrvn | Guest67503: esc-esc until it exits, or just ctrl-c. what's wrong with ncurses? |
| 22:45.40 | dondelelcaro | pozic: uh... no, it's not completely computable |
| 22:45.52 | pozic | dondelelcaro: so, what is not computable about it? |
| 22:46.20 | dondelelcaro | pozic: I've got better things to do than argue with you about it. If you want my assistance, do what I ask you to do. Otherwise, best of luck. |
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| 22:46.38 | pozic | dondelelcaro: fine, I can follow instructions perfectly. |
| 22:46.44 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I just didn't see any. |
| 22:46.52 | streuner | .oO (i see a new site of dondelelcaro) :-) |
| 22:46.56 | dondelelcaro | 15:36:54 <dondelelcaro> pozic: show us the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgll-nvidia-alternatives.postinst |
| 22:47.21 | pozic | dondelelcaro: doesn't exist. |
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| 22:47.42 | dondelelcaro | pozic: find the closest named file to that |
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| 22:48.19 | dondelelcaro | and/or any files named .{pre,post}{inst,rm} or .config |
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| 22:48.29 | dondelelcaro | it's probably libgl1 or something similar |
| 22:48.37 | pozic | dondelelcaro: got it |
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| 22:49.26 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/110923/ |
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| 22:51.44 | dondelelcaro | pozic: update-alternatives --list libGL.so.1; update-alternatives --list libGL.so; ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions; ls -l /etc/alternatives/libGL*; |
| 22:51.50 | dondelelcaro | pozic: and show us the complete output, please. |
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| 22:54.01 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/110924/ |
| 22:55.53 | dondelelcaro | pozic: touch /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1.2; and try apt-get -f remove nvidia-glx nvidia-libvdpau-dev nvidia-libvdpau1-ia32 lib32vdpau1 nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32; again |
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| 22:56.24 | dondelelcaro | (you'll probably get another error, but whatever) |
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| 22:57.07 | kryming | hi all |
| 22:57.12 | tux0 | hello |
| 22:57.13 | kryming | Where is the manpage of getaddrinfo_a? I'm using debian-squeeze and installed manpages and manpages-dev packages, but I can't find getaddrinfo_a manpage. help me. |
| 22:57.29 | kryming | Google can give me the online manpage of getaddrinfo_a http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man3/getaddrinfo_a.3.html |
| 22:57.34 | kryming | but I want local manpage. |
| 22:57.54 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/110925/ |
| 22:57.59 | tux0 | maybe it's in a kernel doc package? |
| 22:58.39 | simonrvn | i get getaddrinfo in 3 |
| 22:58.47 | simonrvn | no such _a |
| 22:59.02 | babilen | kryming: I don't see a pacakge that provides that manpage. Are you, perheps looking for "man 3 getaddrinfo" ? |
| 22:59.08 | simonrvn | at least not on my box |
| 22:59.44 | kryming | babilen: yes, I can find "man 3 getaddrinfo" but I'm asking for "getaddrinfo_a" |
| 22:59.46 | babilen | mine neither and no such manpage can be found with apt-file |
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| 23:01.36 | dondelelcaro | pozic: show me the output of pdate-alternatives --list libGL.so.1; update-alternatives --list libGL.so; ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions; ls -l /etc/alternatives/libGL*; again |
| 23:01.41 | kryming | short paste of my environment |
| 23:01.41 | kryming | $ grep -F 'getaddrinfo_a' -Rn /usr/include |
| 23:01.41 | kryming | /usr/include/netdb.h:692:extern int getaddrinfo_a (int __mode, struct gaicb *__list[__restrict_arr], |
| 23:01.47 | kryming | Perhaps my kernel has getaddrinfo_a. Where is manpage of iiiiiiiiiiiiiit? |
| 23:01.54 | simonrvn | ah, sid has 3.27 and that _a one i in 3.32 |
| 23:01.58 | simonrvn | is in* |
| 23:02.04 | babilen | kryming: They are (as noted on the kernel website) part of manpages versions 3.32 |
| 23:02.09 | babilen | ,versions manpages-dev |
| 23:02.10 | judd | Package manpages-dev on i386 -- lenny: 3.05-1; sid: 3.27-1; squeeze: 3.27-1; wheezy: 3.27-1 |
| 23:02.18 | simonrvn | linux manpages |
| 23:02.21 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 23:02.28 | babilen | kryming: As you can see that version has not yet been packaged. |
| 23:02.36 | simonrvn | This page is part of release 3.32 of the Linux man-pages project. A description of the project, and information about reporting bugs, can be found at http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/. |
| 23:02.41 | kryming | $ dpkg -l | grep manpages-dev |
| 23:02.41 | kryming | ii manpages-dev 3.27-1 Manual pages about using GNU/Linux for development |
| 23:02.45 | simonrvn | This page is part of release 3.27 of the Linux man-pages project. A description of the project, and information about reporting bugs, can be found at http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/. |
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| 23:02.56 | babilen | kryming: Note what simonrvn and I just said |
| 23:02.57 | kryming | simonrvn: thank you |
| 23:02.59 | simonrvn | first one from the online version, second local |
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| 23:06.11 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/110926/ |
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| 23:06.33 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 23:09.45 | dondelelcaro | pozic: touch /usr/lib32/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1.2; dpkg --configure -a; and see what the output is now |
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| 23:10.57 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/110927/ |
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| 23:13.47 | foobarius | hi, how can I rename my debian entry in grub's menu? |
| 23:14.10 | ddan | foobarius, sudo gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 23:14.53 | foobarius | ddan, lol, # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE |
| 23:14.59 | foobarius | must be some new thing with grub2 |
| 23:15.06 | foobarius | but i can take it from here :) |
| 23:15.09 | foobarius | ddan, thanks :) |
| 23:15.12 | karsten-nr | ddan: Nope |
| 23:15.13 | tux0 | why not just `dpkg --purge' the packages that are causing problems? |
| 23:15.15 | ddan | because when you update it it overwrites your changes |
| 23:16.00 | dondelelcaro | pozic: and what does ls -l /usr/lib32/nvidia/diversions/; output? |
| 23:16.08 | karsten-nr | foobarius: /etc/grub.d/ seems to be where you'd want to hunt. |
| 23:16.13 | foobarius | yep |
| 23:16.37 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/110929/ |
| 23:16.40 | karsten-nr | foobarius: I don't spend enough time looking at my grub prompts to worry about it though :) |
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| 23:17.21 | dondelelcaro | pozic: touch /usr/lib32/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.260.19.36; dpkg --configure -a; and see what happens. |
| 23:18.35 | Raptors | Hey guys. I upgraded my sid desktop and I found this bug in gnome themeing. Has anyone experienced this/know how to fix it? http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6573/screenshot82e.png |
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| 23:18.42 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/110930/ |
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| 23:28.30 | dondelelcaro | pozic: so now you've completed the install for whatever it's worth. |
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| 23:29.16 | pozic | dondelelcaro: EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 23:29.18 | dondelelcaro | pozic: you probably will need to apt-get --reinstall libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32; et al. but you can figure that out. |
| 23:29.40 | pozic | dondelelcaro: it is a 64 bits system. |
| 23:29.45 | dondelelcaro | pozic: that's because you don't have nvidia-glx installed. |
| 23:29.48 | dondelelcaro | pozic: so? |
| 23:29.51 | babilen | pozic: You might actually want to remove all that crap and start over. :) |
| 23:30.38 | pozic | babilen: which crap? |
| 23:30.47 | pozic | dondelelcaro: that also doesn't make sense. |
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| 23:31.35 | dondelelcaro | pozic: what about it/ |
| 23:31.40 | dondelelcaro | s{/}{?} |
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| 23:32.22 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I want a 64 bits driver. How do I get it? |
| 23:33.10 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 23:34.17 | dondelelcaro | pozic: you install nvidia-glx |
| 23:35.01 | pozic | dondelelcaro: which doesn't work: http://paste.debian.net/110934/ |
| 23:36.25 | dondelelcaro | pozic: so you either wait for nvidia-glx to be updated, or you downgrade the xserver, or you do one of many different things you can do |
| 23:36.36 | babilen | pozic: As said earlier: Try the dkms packages. |
| 23:36.56 | pozic | babilen: those are already installed too. |
| 23:37.07 | pozic | babilen: and that gives me No Screens. |
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| 23:37.22 | pozic | babilen: I didn't try the experimental version. |
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| 23:37.53 | pozic | dondelelcaro: but downgrading X is not a supported operation in Debian. |
| 23:38.06 | pozic | (because it is an old package management system) |
| 23:38.14 | streuner | uh |
| 23:38.26 | pozic | streuner: Nix, next comment. |
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| 23:38.39 | streuner | pozic: just show us what "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say please |
| 23:38.57 | pozic | streuner: ii libc6 2.11.2-13 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:39.31 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 23:39.32 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.11.2-11; wheezy: 2.11.2-11; experimental: 2.13-0exp4 |
| 23:39.41 | dondelelcaro | pozic: so? you're using unstable. It's not supported, either. |
| 23:39.41 | streuner | omg |
| 23:40.14 | dondelelcaro | pozic: use the aptitude curses interface to walk through the solutions, and pick one |
| 23:41.19 | pozic | dondelelcaro: where is the knob to downgrade a package in aptitude? |
| 23:41.40 | dondelelcaro | pozic: you just select the exact version you want to install |
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| 23:42.51 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ok, I have never ever seen that I could select a version. |
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| 23:43.07 | babilen | pozic: Use dpkg or just select the exact version you want. I would try to work with the -dkms packages, -glx is unlikely to give you different results. Try sid/exp and also .37/.38 kernels from sid and exp. Paste your xorg logs and so |
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| 23:45.47 | pozic | babilen: I am in aptitude on the xserver-xorg package selected, then where can I say 'install version XYZ'? |
| 23:45.54 | pozic | babilen: or 'list available versions'? |
| 23:46.03 | pozic | babilen: AFAIK, there is no such concept in Debian. |
| 23:46.29 | pozic | I can remove the package, download a bunch of deb files in an extremely slow manual process via the website, but that is it. |
| 23:46.39 | wang | the squeeze release notes recommend apt-get for upgrading from lenny. is there a recommendation for day-to-day package installation on squeeze? |
| 23:47.42 | babilen | wang: I happily and typically use aptitude. Pick whatever you are comfortable with. |
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| 23:48.17 | dondelelcaro | pozic: you select the package you want, you go down to the bottom, and you tell it to install the version you want using +. |
| 23:48.36 | dondelelcaro | pozic: or you can walk through the dependency resolution by attempting to have it install nvidia-glx. The aptitude manual covers all of this |
| 23:49.15 | pozic | dondelelcaro: only one version is listed there. |
| 23:49.25 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the one which is likely in unstable. |
| 23:49.37 | dondelelcaro | pozic: then add more entries to sources.list containing testing and/or stable. |
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| 23:55.20 | Xgates | just trying to figure out, in Debian and Debian based distros, when a user clicks on Synaptic in the menu, of a desktop and they then get a root prompt for access to it, is that root prompt brought up by 'gksu'? |
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| 23:56.19 | Xgates | I was told that gksu can mess up the env sometimes, so not sure if I want to use it, and was trying to figure out another way, if there is to get a root prompt for apps in a menu when a user clicks them |
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| 23:58.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | Whats the terminal command to report a bug on a specific package? |
| 23:59.30 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: reportbug |
| 23:59.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | TY |
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| 23:59.50 | dvs | dontbugme |
