| 00:00.01 | |_ | delf set himself to boot without intelligence which boots him to a bush relative |
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| 00:01.24 | wolfric | When you normally have deb http://something/debian dist component1 component2 etc. You normally have squeeze or lenny as your dist right? Is stable (in the place of dist), just a link to which ever is the current stable package? I take it you would either need to have that or update your lenny squeeze and do dist-upgrade? |
| 00:02.09 | themill | wolfric: it's not a good plan to use "stable" there as you'll not end up with a clean upgrade from one release to the next; /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 00:02.39 | gnarface | wolfric: the answer to your question is "yes" but don't do it |
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| 00:03.04 | wolfric | why is it there? |
| 00:03.17 | wolfric | or why does it exist then? |
| 00:03.22 | claint | wolfric: so you can use it if you wanted. |
| 00:03.40 | gnarface | wolfric: fresh installs for the lazy + wreckless |
| 00:04.01 | gnarface | wolfric: (or so i would guess) |
| 00:04.58 | Delf | I'm here, I was just talking to friends on mumble. |
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| 00:05.04 | wolfric | themill: i'm afraid the dpkg explanation wasn't more than "don't do this". I don't suppose you could elaborate on what you mean "not a clean upgrade" |
| 00:05.10 | Delf | So lets see.. edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom |
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| 00:05.26 | Mad-Scientist | So now you're back |
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| 00:05.46 | Delf | So what do i do with /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom? |
| 00:06.05 | themill | wolfric: have a look at the list of steps involved in lenny->squeeze (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) and now imagine that you accidentally did half of them because you had "stable" in your sources.list. |
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| 00:06.54 | Delf | File doesn't even exist. The path is not correct. It's gdm3 |
| 00:06.56 | gnarface | wolfric: short version: when you want to stay on "stable" but stable just changed from lenny to squeeze (for example) you have to know to do dist-upgrade instead of just plain upgrade at that point. using the versions by name instead of by class avoids potentially hosing shit irreversibly if this happens before you notice |
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| 00:08.33 | wolfric | i suppose yes, because squeeze has a separate source for non free firmware. I'm not too sure i under it's explanation of the uname -r. Surely that just installs linux-image-the current version of the kernel you're already running.... |
| 00:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Pulls the correct arch. |
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| 00:13.16 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, try google see if there are instructions for enabling root login |
| 00:13.19 | Delf | The file name is not correct either. |
| 00:13.53 | Mad-Scientist | ... with gdm |
| 00:14.02 | abrotman | or do the smart thing, and don't use X as root |
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| 00:14.15 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60500 |
| 00:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: This has been a seven hour - no, make that eight hour saga now. |
| 00:15.42 | Mad-Scientist | Anyway I solved this problem, needs to disable 5 line in /etc/pam.d/gdm3:rn |
| 00:15.45 | Mad-Scientist | yep there you go |
| 00:15.55 | Delf | Indeed, I'm going to try it now |
| 00:16.03 | Mad-Scientist | You might need AllowRoot=true in addition to that |
| 00:16.03 | wolfric | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+gnome+as+root |
| 00:16.05 | wolfric | first result |
| 00:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: He does not want linux, he wants Windows with full admin privileges. |
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| 00:16.45 | Mad-Scientist | Disallowing root to login is so stupid |
| 00:16.56 | Mad-Scientist | You can login with ssh remotely but not in gdm |
| 00:17.12 | jhutchins_lt | Mad-Scientist: Stupid is running a gui as root. |
| 00:17.18 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: Why you say that, thats taboo! |
| 00:17.20 | km | where can i find an online ftp client source code files? |
| 00:17.22 | Delf | :P |
| 00:17.28 | jhutchins_lt | Mad-Scientist: There is NO reason to run a GUI as root. |
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| 00:17.42 | Mad-Scientist | It sometimes makes things easier |
| 00:17.44 | gnarface | Mad-Scientist: actually you can not log in as root by default remotely in ssh anymore on debian |
| 00:17.48 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: No reasons at all but plenty of excuses ;) |
| 00:17.52 | Mad-Scientist | And the chances of having something bad happen is really quite low. |
| 00:17.54 | capitan | there's no volatile for testing, right? |
| 00:17.55 | themill | gnarface: are you sure? |
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| 00:18.02 | themill | capitan: no, there's no point. |
| 00:18.23 | gnarface | themill: .... since late in etch, i thought... i'm not sure of anything, i've seen too much but i'm fairly sure... why? |
| 00:18.28 | jhutchins_lt | !volatile |
| 00:18.28 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 00:18.41 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: they make ubuntu for that ..have a good night |
| 00:19.00 | Delf | FINALLY! My god. It was that easy? You guys took me through hell to lecture me.. |
| 00:19.00 | themill | gnarface: see /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/README.Debian.gz |
| 00:19.43 | Delf | Unbelievable... |
| 00:19.56 | themill | it's our fault you can't use google as well now is it? great. |
| 00:20.16 | dvs | !blame themill |
| 00:20.16 | dpkg | blames Glavata and themill for all the evil in the world |
| 00:20.25 | themill | *sob* |
| 00:20.28 | Delf | themill: I didn't know it was that easy. That is why I had to ask you guys. It's my fault. I shouldn't rely on you guys. |
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| 00:20.40 | Glavata | I feel spcial |
| 00:20.43 | Glavata | :> |
| 00:20.46 | dvs | heh |
| 00:21.17 | themill | Delf: quite. You should start thinking and learning. The sooner you start learning about linux the more fun you'll have. Alternatively, you can continue to refuse to learn in which case you'll continue to be a right pain the arse for the rest of us. |
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| 00:22.14 | Delf | themill: I've no intention of being put into wheelchair. I haven't stopped thinking and learning yet. I will the moment I surrender to sudo. |
| 00:22.24 | gnarface | themill: so the readme says, root login ON by default... but maybe in expert mode installation this is an option? i can't find a single computer with it not set to "no" here but maybe i've just compulsively changed them all and the config files have not been overwritten? |
| 00:22.32 | dr_traktor | I have a newly installed Debian 6 systems with not fully known configuration. When updating files regularly through ssh (connecting, updating, disconnecting) after a couple of cycles I seemingly get banned from the server for about 10 minutes. As I try to connect I get connection timeout message. I don't know where to even began looking for the cause. Can you give me any tips? |
| 00:23.08 | gnarface | themill: i could have sworn they changed it to default no around the time lenny was going stable |
| 00:23.09 | themill | gnarface: I know I always change it out of habit (usually to force-commands or similar). I believe it's still set to "yes" by default. |
| 00:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Who configured it? |
| 00:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Seems like etch to me. |
| 00:24.04 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: The company providing the vps service. |
| 00:24.25 | dr_traktor | But it's assumed to be as close to a pure squeeze install as possible. |
| 00:24.27 | Delf | themill: I'm using a virtual machine. Security is highly overrated. |
| 00:24.29 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: maybe they changed it to 'no' for a while by default and then changed it back to match upstream? |
| 00:24.30 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: They're the ones you should talk to, this is not a default feature/behavior. |
| 00:24.45 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: All right. |
| 00:24.55 | gnarface | dr_traktor: i smell a badly behaved firewall |
| 00:24.56 | themill | Delf: so is reading and learning, apparently. Have fun with it. |
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| 00:25.24 | dr_traktor | gnarface: Maybe so. I will look around there. |
| 00:25.28 | Delf | themill: Learning and writing is better than reading and learning ;) |
| 00:25.39 | gnarface | dr_traktor: ssh has some sort of explicit keepalive option you might want to look into as well |
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| 00:26.04 | themill | Delf: as an educator, I can tell you that is incorrect, but that's going a long way outside /topic for this channel. |
| 00:26.08 | gnarface | dr_traktor: (its not enabled by default because it should only be needed when the firewall is badly behaved) |
| 00:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. It should be illegal to give minors full admin privileges in Windows. |
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| 00:26.34 | Delf | themill: Some people don't read books, they write. |
| 00:26.49 | dr_traktor | gnarface: The ssh connection should be closed at the end of each cycle. |
| 00:27.02 | gnarface | Delf: /join #bogus-motherfucking-philosophy |
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| 00:27.05 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, did you still need to put AllowRoot=true? |
| 00:27.05 | Delf | themill: Don't be angry, be happy. |
| 00:27.27 | |_ | a lil question after is a closed parts.. free bsd install how do i install X? net is on. startx wouldnt do .. is there a packetmanager present etc.. i'd like to ask in #freebsd but this |
| 00:27.36 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: As someone who's beein in the publishing industry off and on since the mid 1970's, I can assure you that successful writers read a LOT, and people who DON'T read DON'T get published. |
| 00:27.42 | |_ | is a closed party |
| 00:28.03 | gnarface | dr_traktor: i'm just hypothesizing that it might be getting closed prematurely and then the firewall might be coincidentally flagging your ip as flooding or something |
| 00:28.11 | |_ | uhh delf is still here still suiciding? |
| 00:28.15 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: Nope, I didn't have to. |
| 00:28.33 | jhutchins_lt | |_: ##freebsd |
| 00:28.38 | Delf | |_: You need me to snap your di** off? :D |
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| 00:28.59 | themill | Delf: I think it's about time you took a break from #debian, for all our sakes. |
| 00:29.13 | jhutchins_lt | themill: thank you! |
| 00:29.18 | jhutchins_lt | !beer themil |
| 00:29.18 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for themil |
| 00:29.27 | themill | Delf: In this interlude, you can experience the joys of reading. And when you come back, you'll be much more knowledgeable about linux. |
| 00:29.28 | dr_traktor | gnarface: Yes, sounds like a plausible hypothesis. |
| 00:29.39 | tgies | i had a whole office giggling themselves silly about that guy |
| 00:29.55 | dr_traktor | gnarface: The firewall is not even active though :( |
| 00:29.57 | claint | tgies: your whole office is in here? |
| 00:30.02 | Mad-Scientist | what guy? |
| 00:30.18 | gnarface | dr_traktor: there might be one at the router level between you and the server (or on the host system if it is a VPS - or even on both) |
| 00:30.30 | jhutchins_lt | Mr "this should run exactly like windows". |
| 00:30.38 | tgies | claint: over my shoulder |
| 00:30.59 | dr_traktor | gnarface: I will contact them then. |
| 00:31.08 | claint | tgies: i was about to submit an application. |
| 00:31.29 | Mad-Scientist | YOU KNOW WHAT? The current sudo method is almost completely useless too. Any program running on the computer can steal the password that you type in the terminal when you run sudo and find out what your password is |
| 00:31.29 | gnarface | dr_traktor: its still totally possible that it is due to something at your system level but statistically in my experience its the ISP running some sort of ultra-defensive firewall that they've gone too far with due to it being constantly under attack, and now it interferes with normal operations |
| 00:31.38 | tgies | haha |
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| 00:31.47 | tgies | claint: they're too busy playing minecraft to be in irc |
| 00:32.00 | claint | tgies: nvm then. |
| 00:32.15 | jhutchins_lt | Mad-Scientist: passwords are inherently insecure to local key capture schemes. If that bothers you, use keys. |
| 00:32.18 | wolfric | i'm just reading through the release notes of squeeze. What's with the new support for ldap? What's the difference between using pam and openldap in older versions and this? |
| 00:32.37 | gnarface | dr_traktor: additionally, in my experience they will ask you to try it again without admitting any fault whatsoever and it will mysteriously not happen again after that |
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| 00:33.21 | gnarface | dr_traktor: if that's not the case after you contact them come back and we'll get more invasive with diagnostics |
| 00:33.34 | dr_traktor | gnarface: That would be a lovely outcome. |
| 00:33.38 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: It also sounds like what happens when the server is set to use an encryption protocol that your ssh client doesn't default to. |
| 00:33.44 | dr_traktor | gnarface: All right. Thanks. |
| 00:34.09 | Mad-Scientist | Delf is right |
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| 00:34.27 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: So the fallbacks cause some sort of overload? |
| 00:34.39 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: They just fail to agree. |
| 00:34.42 | Mad-Scientist | Running as a normal user and having your web browser run as a normal user and then using sudo to go to root when needed won't help stop an exploit in the browser from gaining root access |
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| 00:34.59 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: But why only after a couple of successful cycles? |
| 00:35.13 | Mad-Scientist | On windows at least you can press ctrl+alt+del |
| 00:35.15 | themill | Mad-Scientist: perhaps you should try prototyping that first. |
| 00:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Ah, missed that. |
| 00:36.00 | Mad-Scientist | Is there a reason why it couldn't be done? You can attach a debugger to any process you own can you not? |
| 00:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Definitely need to ask the ISP what's going on. |
| 00:36.19 | dr_traktor | Okay. |
| 00:37.00 | themill | Mad-Scientist: have you checked to see if you own the "sudo" process? |
| 00:37.44 | Mad-Scientist | themill, I own the xterm gnometerm whatever process. |
| 00:38.25 | claint | Mad-Scientist: but check the sudo that runs under that term anyway. |
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| 00:38.48 | Mad-Scientist | I know its setuid root you can't touch it all you can do is send signals to it |
| 00:40.07 | Mad-Scientist | I have now attached the debugger to xterm |
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| 00:41.10 | claint | Mad-Scientist: and another thing to try would be have an exploit that writes itself to crontab and calls sudoed commands. but that wouldn't work either. |
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| 00:42.05 | antonyuk88 | hey guys a quick question, has anyone here do an upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 00:42.23 | dvs | !ask |
| 00:42.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:42.28 | claint | is eagerly waiting for a security advisory from Mad-Scientist. |
| 00:42.59 | Mad-Scientist | Well I would have to find out where to set the breakpoints and all that |
| 00:43.34 | Mad-Scientist | But I have the debugger attached to xterm and bash and /bin/su are running within xterm |
| 00:44.03 | Mad-Scientist | I think on Red Hat they made xterm setgid to make it impossible to attach a debugger to a terminal |
| 00:44.18 | Mad-Scientist | maybe not I don't know |
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| 00:44.51 | Mad-Scientist | claint, alias su to mybadprogram will fool a lot of people :) |
| 00:45.05 | Mad-Scientist | There was a virus what would put that in .bashrc |
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| 00:47.35 | Mad-Scientist | Breakpoint 1, 0xb734cf40 in read () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 00:48.03 | alpha^ | How can I find the real and effective group ID of a running process? |
| 00:48.16 | Mad-Scientist | probably /proc |
| 00:48.47 | alpha^ | Thanks |
| 00:49.02 | claint | alpha^: man ps |
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| 00:49.33 | Mad-Scientist | alpha^, /proc/self/status |
| 00:49.41 | Mad-Scientist | Uid: A B C D |
| 00:49.44 | Mad-Scientist | there are 4 actually |
| 00:49.49 | Mad-Scientist | Gid: |
| 00:50.40 | Mad-Scientist | I have to recompile xterm |
| 00:50.52 | alpha^ | Thanks |
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| 00:51.10 | allure | Hello... could anyone help me figure out what's going on with postfix on this log http://pastebin.com/rAEzMUr6 ? |
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| 00:52.17 | rudi_s | Mad-Scientist: Wouldn't it be easier for an attacker just to sniff the keyboard events (xinput, etc.)? |
| 00:52.29 | claint | alpha^: sorry if ps didn't give group id, i thought it did. |
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| 00:52.48 | gnarface | allure: it looks like its working fine. i don't use postfix but the only alarming thing i see in there is "# |
| 00:52.48 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.03 | Mad-Scientist | rudi_s, probably. You can ctrl left click and select secure keyboard in xterm |
| 00:53.22 | allure | gnarface: alright :) thank you |
| 00:53.27 | rudi_s | Mad-Scientist: What the result of that? |
| 00:53.49 | Mad-Scientist | It makes xterm take over the keyboard |
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| 00:54.13 | rudi_s | Mad-Scientist: So no X events anymore? Interesting - I doubt that many people use it though. |
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| 00:54.29 | rudi_s | And there's LD_PRELOAD ... |
| 00:54.55 | Mad-Scientist | You can load a library in to a running program. At least you can easily on windows |
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| 00:56.00 | dvs | yay |
| 00:57.10 | blast_hardcheese | Gah, how do you regenerate a puppet cert? I did a puppetca --clean --all, hoping to just clear out all the keys, but they got added to the reject list, which I can't find to save my life |
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| 01:01.16 | supermighty | Would anyone help me figure out how to bind two externally pingable IP addresses to a single nic. I've got it bound, but not pingable from the outside. |
| 01:01.43 | gnarface | supermighty: not a virtual machine, right? |
| 01:02.00 | Mad-Scientist | man virtual machines have certainly become popular in teh last couple years |
| 01:02.09 | supermighty | gnarface: It's hosted in a Xen VPS yes. |
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| 01:02.17 | supermighty | gnarface: I've got full root |
| 01:02.25 | gnarface | supermighty: can't help you then, sorry, but you probably need full root on the host system as well to pull this off |
| 01:02.33 | claint | Mad-Scientist: last couple? I have been using vserver for years. |
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| 01:02.46 | supermighty | gnarface: the two IPs are already assigned to my VPS, does that make a difference? |
| 01:02.59 | gnarface | supermighty: maybe but only if they did it right |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | supermighty: wait .. you want them on the same nic, but not bonded? |
| 01:03.03 | Mad-Scientist | I think CPUs are not fast enough to where VMs are usable |
| 01:03.23 | abrotman | mzad |
| 01:03.27 | supermighty | abrotman: yes, same nic, not bonded. I need it to host two different SSL sites in apache |
| 01:03.29 | gnarface | Mad-Scientist: they're not, but that's what amd's 12-core proc is for :-p |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | Mad-Scientist: keep it on topic, thanks |
| 01:04.11 | abrotman | supermighty: man interfaces eth0 and eth0:1 ? |
| 01:04.28 | gnarface | supermighty: this should work. pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file and the output of ifconfig -a |
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| 01:05.24 | gnarface | has done this dozens of times and suspects supermighty's problem is still at the xen level |
| 01:05.25 | supermighty | abrotman: I have eth0 and eth0:0 up and working and pingable from inside my VPS http://pastebin.me/e143e6dcd02d2449b860e03a6407b562 |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | ugh .. phone :( |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | supermighty: only one can have a "route" in your interfaces file |
| 01:07.04 | supermighty | abrotman: I do only have one route http://pastebin.me/e143e6dcd02d2449b860e03a6407bf35 |
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| 01:07.18 | abrotman | still on a phone! :) |
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| 01:07.39 | supermighty | abrotman: no worries, take your time :) |
| 01:07.42 | abrotman | supermighty: can you ping either ip externallt? |
| 01:08.04 | supermighty | abrotman: I can my my .46 externally, just not the .58 |
| 01:08.26 | gnarface | abrotman, supermighty shouldn't both eth0 and eth0:0 have the gateway line? |
| 01:08.41 | supermighty | gnarface: the debian wiki says no |
| 01:08.52 | gnarface | supermighty: url? |
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| 01:09.10 | supermighty | gnarface: I played with adding some routes manually to no avail |
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| 01:09.28 | gnarface | supermighty: i still suspect its your host system failing to route the new ip in |
| 01:09.30 | supermighty | gnarface: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#HowtoassignmultipleIPaddresses |
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| 01:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | supermighty: Each valid interface needs a full configuration, including gateway. |
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| 01:11.08 | jhutchins_lt | supermighty: I have done this. |
| 01:11.16 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: that's what i thought but that wiki specifically says otherwise... its confusing to me |
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| 01:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Welcome to the interwebs. |
| 01:11.45 | nsadmin | what do I need to install to start learning sqlite3? |
| 01:12.03 | rudi_s | nsadmin: sqlite3 |
| 01:12.08 | nsadmin | I've already looked thru apt-cache search sqlite and sqlite3 |
| 01:12.11 | daemonkeeper | There is not much to learn, it is a rather standard SQL dialect. |
| 01:12.20 | nsadmin | that's just the cli interface |
| 01:12.21 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions sqlite3 |
| 01:12.23 | judd | Package sqlite3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.5.9-6; lenny-backports: 3.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.7.3-1; sid: 3.7.5-1; wheezy: 3.7.5-1 |
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| 01:12.50 | rudi_s | nsadmin: libsqlite3 |
| 01:12.57 | daemonkeeper | There is no more than the CLI. Sqlite is a cli and a library, the whole data base lives in a flat file. |
| 01:13.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:13.35 | gnarface | supermighty: here's my advice. try adding the gateway to all of them. its unlikely to hurt anything even if it doesn't fix anything. if it still doesn't work after that call the administrator of your xen host and tell them to pull their head out of their asses |
| 01:13.49 | simonrvn | binary file, not flat, but yeh it's a file |
| 01:14.00 | gnarface | supermighty: er, i mean politely tell them to help you add a new ip to your vps |
| 01:14.01 | nsadmin | so after that, I want to add JNI bindings to it; how is that done? |
| 01:14.22 | supermighty | gnarface: errr.. politely :) |
| 01:14.25 | simonrvn | you'll want to load extensions; there's docs on their site ;) |
| 01:15.22 | felosis | gnarface thats not going to really work unless youre going to add metrics and routes |
| 01:15.26 | allure | I have some problem on postfix I can't figure out... Here are some info: postconf -n: http://pastebin.com/ANVf6Vh9 mail.log: http://pastebin.com/LmY0ne7U mail.info: http://pastebin.com/nKfesx3f mail.warn: http://pastebin.com/tw0Hquv6 postmaster email: http://pastebin.com/9qvKBX4Z ... could anyone please help? :) |
| 01:15.46 | felosis | gnarface all you really need to do is add routing information and follow the guide supermighty posted :) |
| 01:15.59 | felosis | supermighty ^^ |
| 01:16.26 | nsadmin | allure: before going to the pastebins, can you describe the problem you're having? |
| 01:16.33 | gnarface | felosis: lemme get this right; your'e certain the issue is NOT his xen host? |
| 01:16.41 | supermighty | felosis: Thanks, I'll try it again and contact Linode if I can't figure this out. |
| 01:16.48 | felosis | gnarface fairly certain |
| 01:16.52 | simonrvn | you don't need the gw on the :X interfaces |
| 01:17.06 | felosis | if you put a gw on 2 interfaces traffic will not pass |
| 01:17.22 | allure | nsadmin: I'm beeing flooded with postmaster emails and cant understand what they mean |
| 01:17.34 | gnarface | felosis: jhutchins_lt and i have had different experiences |
| 01:17.36 | simonrvn | better yet, he could use the up/down commands to use ip addr add nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn dev eth0 (and down it) |
| 01:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: I always did, but that was RH on real iron. |
| 01:17.48 | nsadmin | allure: can you pastebin one of those? |
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| 01:18.07 | allure | nsadmin: it's the last one, postmaster email |
| 01:18.10 | simonrvn | rh does it differently |
| 01:18.17 | felosis | redhat copes with it a bit better |
| 01:18.23 | felosis | just my experiance and $0.02 :) |
| 01:18.24 | gnarface | thought i'd done this with debian too though |
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| 01:18.34 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: The whole logic of treating a :X interface as a real interface is that it needs to be configured like one. |
| 01:18.37 | simonrvn | they use iproute2 now too ;) |
| 01:19.15 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: dpeends on use case too.. is it another nw? or the same one? |
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| 01:19.41 | gnarface | simonrvn, felosis so if the gateway has no relevance then what could he be doing wrong? did he just forget to /etc/init.d/network reload? |
| 01:19.44 | nsadmin | it's possible someone is using you as an open mail relay |
| 01:19.55 | supermighty | Is this correct: When I ping -I eth0:0 8.8.8.8 it shows the from IP as my .46 |
| 01:20.04 | simonrvn | matters only on the primary, if it's the same nw |
| 01:20.19 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: I've done both two different networks on a shared switch and two different addresses on the same net. |
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| 01:20.32 | supermighty | gnarface: can't be I've been /etc/init.d/network reload ing it |
| 01:20.37 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: yeh in that case, you'd need it |
| 01:20.48 | gnarface | supermighty: you did an /etc/network reload or restart or force-reload right? |
| 01:20.50 | allure | nsadmin: I understand... I think I have enforced authentication to send emails or mynetworks ... or am I wrong? |
| 01:20.56 | felosis | it really depends on his setup are the interfaces on different networks? are they on the same and hes trying to load balance? |
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| 01:21.02 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: What we had was two redundant servers with two networks, two intefaces, and two addresses. |
| 01:21.03 | supermighty | gnarface: restart |
| 01:21.10 | gnarface | so its' not that |
| 01:21.13 | allure | nsadmin: I though the relay was closed :( |
| 01:21.15 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 01:21.18 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: On each network, each box had a "real" address, and a virtual address that could be swapped. |
| 01:21.38 | gnarface | well here is what nmap tells me: Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -PN |
| 01:21.41 | supermighty | felosis: one nic two IPs on the same network for two SSL websites |
| 01:21.53 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: If the DB failed on one box, we swapped virtual IP's and the system came back up in five minutes. |
| 01:22.08 | felosis | supermighty the instructions you posted should work then |
| 01:22.21 | gnarface | i still think his xen host is at fault |
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| 01:22.38 | felosis | gnarface possible |
| 01:22.50 | felosis | supermighty have linode look at it |
| 01:23.39 | supermighty | felosis: Thanks, I will. Thanks everyone. |
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| 01:23.48 | gnarface | probably just got auto-blacklisted on their firewall for attempting a stealth portscan |
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| 01:24.31 | sunscreen | erm.. what is this all about : GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
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| 01:24.45 | sunscreen | trying to apt-get update |
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| 01:24.49 | joeb_ | im thinking of trying debian again 0_o |
| 01:24.57 | sunscreen | trying to actually get 'libbarrry' |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | gnarface: no, that makes a mess |
| 01:25.00 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:25.13 | gnarface | sunscreen: you just need to update debian-archive-keyring first |
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| 01:25.21 | joeb_ | witch reelase has all the stuff on it / last time i was on debian if i wanted something i had to update to a unstable / stable i was lost |
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| 01:25.28 | joeb_ | s/reelase/release |
| 01:25.32 | sunscreen | is it safe for me to get barry from sid repo? |
| 01:25.33 | daemonkeeper | Squeeze perhaps |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | not that i can open it, but probably wants to paste his route -n |
| 01:25.37 | sunscreen | libbarry.. |
| 01:25.37 | gnarface | abrotman: what wat mess did i make? |
| 01:25.48 | sunscreen | how do i do that ? gnarface |
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| 01:26.02 | abrotman | gnarface: two gateways in the interfaces |
| 01:26.11 | gnarface | abrotman: oh |
| 01:26.17 | Mad-Scientist | Can someone help me set up a watch dog system? |
| 01:26.31 | gnarface | sunscreen: hmm. maybe download it directly from the repo? |
| 01:26.48 | gnarface | sunscreen: i think there's a force option of some sort |
| 01:26.53 | joeb_ | or was that a valid question ? |
| 01:26.56 | sunscreen | how .. ? |
| 01:27.34 | gnarface | joeb_: start with squeeze it is stable now. if its missing something that isn't in unstable (sid) you probably are looking for debian-multimedia (not supported here) |
| 01:28.24 | joeb_ | gnarface- just looking for the the most stable |
| 01:28.36 | gnarface | sunscreen: go to your /etc/apt/sources.list, paste the line into your browser and start browsing |
| 01:28.54 | gnarface | joeb_: squeeze JUST turned stable |
| 01:29.00 | gnarface | joeb_: get it while its hot |
| 01:29.40 | joeb_ | gnarface- lol .. im looking for a net install cd .. currently im looking at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:29.47 | gnarface | joeb_: the best practice is to start with stable than upgrade to unstable even if you are intending to go unstable from the beginning |
| 01:30.13 | gnarface | joeb_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 01:30.17 | somiaj | the base system is small, just don't install many packages beyond the base system to minimize the amount of upgrade. |
| 01:30.24 | joeb_ | i found it |
| 01:30.26 | joeb_ | it was a torrent |
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| 01:30.35 | joeb_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent <-- |
| 01:30.42 | gnarface | whatever floats your boat |
| 01:31.05 | dvs | joeb_: what CPU? |
| 01:31.33 | joeb_ | i386 or did you want the actual specs |
| 01:31.41 | dvs | actual |
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| 01:32.00 | sunscreen | hm yeah but i can get rid of a repo |
| 01:32.03 | gnarface | joeb_: just pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:32.04 | joeb_ | dvs- |
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| 01:32.06 | joeb_ | err |
| 01:32.13 | sunscreen | which is actually causing the GPg error |
| 01:32.13 | joeb_ | Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz |
| 01:32.16 | joeb_ | yea that is where i was |
| 01:32.23 | dvs | k |
| 01:32.31 | gnarface | that's still 32-bit right, dvs? |
| 01:32.38 | dvs | think so |
| 01:32.39 | joeb_ | its a touchscreen .. does debian have the drivers ? |
| 01:32.45 | gnarface | pentium(r) == p4? |
| 01:33.02 | joeb_ | gnarface- don't know 0_o |
| 01:33.12 | gnarface | suspects that is the case |
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| 01:33.28 | joeb_ | i think the file for touchscreen is tsconf |
| 01:33.52 | somiaj | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37253 -- most pentiums are 64bit capable, that one is |
| 01:34.03 | somiaj | if you want a 32bit or 64bit os, your choice though. |
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| 01:34.24 | sunscreen | its like it totaly ignore apt.sources |
| 01:35.15 | gnarface | somiaj: ++ |
| 01:35.18 | somiaj | sunscreen: did you apt-get update (or aptitude update) after you changed your sources.list? |
| 01:35.25 | sunscreen | yeh |
| 01:35.52 | gnarface | dvs, joeb_ turns out that's actually a 64-bit processor, so joeb_ that means you DO have the option of installing amd64 from scratch instead of the i386 |
| 01:36.03 | sunscreen | it cant do it because of this W: GPG error: http://deb.playonlinux.com lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be |
| 01:36.08 | sunscreen | and that is not in apt.sources |
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| 01:36.45 | gnarface | LemensTS: did it work? |
| 01:36.50 | LemensTS | 00 22 28 3 * * rm -Rf /usr/src/dirctory <-- is that a valid crontab entry? |
| 01:36.56 | LemensTS | gnarface: Did what work? |
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| 01:37.01 | joeb_ | gnarface- its wierd cause the computer came with windows 7 64bit but all these linux installs put it as 32bit |
| 01:37.03 | somiaj | sunscreen: and you are running debian? not some derivative, because it shouldn't be trying to access sources not in your /etc/apt/sources.list file -- why not put your sources.list in a pastebin. |
| 01:37.07 | gnarface | LemensTS: splicing your phone line into your cat5 ethernet |
| 01:37.35 | joeb_ | gnarface- so is it better to go with the ia64 ? |
| 01:37.43 | sunscreen | i am using avlinux every thing was fine till i tried to add the sid repo |
| 01:37.52 | dvs | joeb_: amd64 or i386 |
| 01:37.53 | sunscreen | but yeah one moment :) |
| 01:37.56 | joeb_ | ok |
| 01:38.03 | dvs | or multiarch |
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| 01:38.22 | gnarface | joeb_: no, don't confuse ia64 with amd64, believe it or not with your chip the correct 64-bit installer is the amd64 one (yes i know thats weird) ia64 is *ONLY* for itaniums, which are a different animal |
| 01:38.41 | somiaj | joeb_: either will work, really depends on what you want to do. I would suggest amd64, but there are some issues with paticular 32bit apps running, in that case the i386 will work just fine. |
| 01:39.01 | gnarface | joeb_: but your 64-bit intel chip (like all the amd64 ones) retains compatibility for i384 binaries, so the choice is up to you |
| 01:39.01 | somiaj | yea amd64 is relly the code name fo x86_64 instructions, the ia64 was a lot different. |
| 01:39.08 | LemensTS | gnarface: Oh, i didnt see anyone reply, sorry if I did not answer. No it did not work, on a cable ~50-60ft. I plugged 1 side into a computer, and one side into a laptop. Than at the other end of the cable, one was plugged into dhcp server on one network, and other was plugged into dhcp server on another network. If I ping from laptop to dhcp server while the computer is plugged into its dhcp server, i get failed packets. As soon as I unplug the computer a |
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| 01:39.22 | sunscreen | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/zrDFbwQV |
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| 01:40.09 | LemensTS | I imagine it would work on a shorter cable. I get good 1/2 3/6 pin outs on my Cat5e tester |
| 01:40.26 | gnarface | LemensTS: cat5 was designed for this type of thing but to avoid the hystaresis (however you spell that) that is caused by cross-talk amongst the wires you have to wire the cable ends in a very specific order (or just use a cable less than 10 feet long) i even posted the order, want it again? |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | only in neon! |
| 01:40.56 | sunscreen | ah i found sources.list.d |
| 01:40.57 | somiaj | sunscreen: ewe, multiple debian versions in your sources.list, bad bad juju, though I don't see why its trying to get a repo that isn't in that list. You get that error from an apt-get update. |
| 01:41.24 | LemensTS | I used 2 of the twisted pairs for one, and the other 2 for the other, I figured that would help on signal loss. Yea im interested in what they are, I am going with a different solution though. |
| 01:41.37 | sunscreen | yeh avlinux for you .. never breaks anything though i think its a hybrid of lenny and squeeze |
| 01:42.25 | somiaj | sunscreen: oh yea, that is a place you can put files if you want to split up your sources into multiple flies...so you arne't running debian then? I would suggest running just squeeze with backports. |
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| 01:43.22 | joeb_ | ill try amd64 |
| 01:43.27 | sunscreen | think its working again |
| 01:43.29 | dvs | yay |
| 01:43.45 | gnarface | LemensTS: from my notes here is the standard order to avoid hystaresis (also necessary just for ethernet runs of longer than about 2 feet with any network faster than 10 megabits) Orange Line, Orange, Green Line, Blue, Blue Line, Green, Brown Line, Brown |
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| 01:44.13 | zhanshime-root | hello ,i have a problem |
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| 01:44.28 | gnarface | LemensTS: I believe that is when looking at the top of the cable end (opposite the clip) |
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| 01:44.30 | joeb_ | how easy is the install lets compare it to ubuntu .. is it a typical like barebones install like slackware or intuitive ? |
| 01:44.30 | gnarface | LemensTS: left to right |
| 01:44.43 | dondelelcaro | joeb_: if you read the install guide, it's pretty simple |
| 01:44.43 | LemensTS | gnarface: Yea standard 586b or whatever its called, thats how I did it |
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| 01:45.01 | somiaj | joeb_: by default it is fairly straight forward, asks you questions...you can boot the installer in a more advanced mode if you want more power. |
| 01:45.18 | gnarface | always boots the installer in expert mode |
| 01:45.18 | greenlantern | hi, i installed debian desktop environment 6.0 (squeeze), but now i want to get the netinstall how can i reduce it without desktop environment ? |
| 01:45.20 | gnarface | is a control freak |
| 01:45.30 | zhanshime-root | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.36 | somiaj | joeb_: though if your planning on upgrading to sid, say no to running tasksel and installing package bundels, just install a base system, and upgrade that (less hassle that way) |
| 01:45.38 | greenlantern | i want to make it like after the netinstallation |
| 01:45.39 | tgies | wasn't there some talk of shipping wicd as default instead of network-manager |
| 01:45.40 | greenlantern | hi, i installed debian desktop environment 6.0 (squeeze), but now i want to get the netinstall how can i reduce it without desktop environment ? |
| 01:45.44 | greenlantern | i want to make it like after the netinstallation |
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| 01:45.56 | greenlantern | how can i remove other packages |
| 01:46.01 | tgies | fsr i thought it was that way in squeeze at one point back when it was testing |
| 01:46.05 | zhanshime-root | i am using mint debian |
| 01:46.14 | joeb_ | sid has more stuff ? |
| 01:46.24 | greenlantern | zhanshime-root: how do you use mint debian ? |
| 01:46.49 | somiaj | greenlantern: aptitude remove <package name>, but you'll have to go though and remove the ones you don't want, there won't be an automatic tool to remove the last packages installed. Just becareful not to remove any core packages, usually it will warn you. |
| 01:46.56 | gnarface | joeb_: sid just has packages that are less carefully scrutinized |
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| 01:47.27 | jpgepetto | greenlantern: you are probably better off just reinstalling from the net install CD |
| 01:47.37 | somiaj | joeb_: stable is frozen, that means besides for security updates that is rarely every a reason to upgrade any of the package versions. As being frozen it is ensured to work well together and the escurity updates are to keep it secure |
| 01:47.57 | somiaj | joeb_: sid is just what ever the current version of the packages put into debian happen to be kinda mish/mashed together, sometimes things don't work because of that. |
| 01:48.01 | gnarface | jpgepetto: somiaj no there was a way to do this with aptitude, it was just ugly but someone listed the command earlier |
| 01:48.30 | greenlantern | jpgepetto: can i install the minimal/netinstallation with the lxde cd ? |
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| 01:48.31 | gnarface | it will take forever to find it in my back log |
| 01:48.33 | greenlantern | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.45 | somiaj | gnarface: some way besides just removing a list of 'core pacakages' which will take out all their dependents with it? |
| 01:48.59 | gnarface | iw as something like aptitude remove !~required !~important !~savemyass or someth9ing like that |
| 01:49.14 | somiaj | greenlantern: what is the lxde cd? is it debian or some derivative of debian? |
| 01:49.25 | zac314159 | I'm getting a "serial8250: too much work for irq17" error, lot's of them. Any ideas? |
| 01:49.34 | somiaj | gnarface: oh nice, yea i don't use aptitude much, just apt-get...nice |
| 01:49.42 | greenlantern | somiaj: debian squeeze lxde cd , |
| 01:49.57 | gnarface | somiaj: its somewhere in my scroll log but i can't find it. |
| 01:50.15 | somiaj | greenlantern: yes you should be able to install the base system with any debian cd, just say no when it asks you what additional packages you want to install. |
| 01:50.18 | gnarface | who was it who was helping out Delf earlier who listed the aptitude command for removing everything down to base components? |
| 01:50.31 | greenlantern | somiaj: ok |
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| 01:50.53 | somiaj | greenlantern: I don't know that cd, but if it uses the debian-installer it firsts installs a base system then asks you questions about other stuff on top of that. You can say NO at that point and only have a base system to install only what you want from aptitude, etc. |
| 01:51.36 | somiaj | gnarface: I'm sure you could look up the list of package classifications in the man page I'd hope, with your jist creating the command would hopefully work. (: |
| 01:51.49 | dvs | gnarface: I think it was like "!~prequired !~pimportant..." |
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| 01:52.18 | gnarface | somiaj: i'm sure i could but i'm not gonna, i'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;) |
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| 01:52.59 | somiaj | gnarface: my thoughts, though a quick search of the man page, the reader will probabaly have to go look up debian package standards to get the list of classifications to keep/remove. |
| 01:53.28 | gnarface | yes probably, and i don't know them either but the command was 3 of them |
| 01:54.10 | gnarface | oh hey look i found my scrollback log though! |
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| 01:54.43 | superstraw | i used to be able to edit the menu items of the right click menu in xfce, but I reinstalled debian to the latest one and now I can't seem to find where to edit that menu. |
| 01:54.46 | gnarface | somiaj: here's what someone said earlier: "aptitude purge '(!~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard)'" if you want to start from the beginning. (DON'T run this if you don't want to remove a bunch of things (X server for example)) |
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| 01:55.10 | jpgepetto | gnarface: good to know |
| 01:55.13 | somiaj | yea nifty, never seen that before |
| 01:55.41 | gnarface | i'd make a backup before trying that |
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| 01:55.59 | gnarface | if only because i'm not sure apt is in one of those categories |
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| 01:56.25 | jpgepetto | hopefully apt is required... |
| 01:56.39 | somiaj | it might take aptitude out with it, but apt should still be around |
| 01:56.40 | joeb_ | im trying to install debian in virtualbox .. that won't give it any justice will it ? |
| 01:56.44 | gnarface | one would think ... but with the shotgun pointing at your nuts you know.... |
| 01:56.47 | somiaj | though I think aptitude is required now days. |
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| 01:57.25 | jpgepetto | which is why i would reinstall fron the net install cd anyway |
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| 01:57.58 | gnarface | it usually does end up being faster if you're making that sweeping of a system change |
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| 01:59.09 | sunscreen | grrrr |
| 01:59.13 | sunscreen | APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 25165824. (man 5 apt.conf) |
| 01:59.29 | gnarface | ooh that looks exciting |
| 01:59.32 | gnarface | what happened? |
| 01:59.42 | sunscreen | that is when i try and add sid |
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| 02:00.20 | gnarface | sunscreen: you took out all the other repos right? (from sources.list as well as from sources.list.d)? |
| 02:00.26 | joeb_ | is aptitude required ? |
| 02:00.49 | gnarface | joeb_: it wasn't last time i installed but that doesn't mean it isn't now |
| 02:00.49 | dvs | ?? |
| 02:01.04 | gnarface | joeb_: if you don't have it just apt-get install aptitude |
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| 02:01.47 | sunscreen | no i thought they could all be together |
| 02:02.00 | sunscreen | i just want one package after all |
| 02:02.03 | joeb_ | i like aptitude :D |
| 02:02.06 | sunscreen | damn i may as well compiled it |
| 02:02.18 | gnarface | sunscreen: apt-get and aptitude coexist peacefully - is that what you're worried about? |
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| 02:02.38 | joeb_ | yea im not dong debian justice by installing it in virtualbox 0_o i need to resize my hard drive and put it native |
| 02:02.51 | sunscreen | nah i just like console and am used to apt-get/apt-cache |
| 02:02.52 | Arrowmaster | i thought that issue when having too many repositories added was fixed a few releases ago |
| 02:03.04 | sunscreen | so i figured if i add one more repo to cache it wont harm |
| 02:03.26 | joeb_ | i have another question .. currently im dualbooting ubuntu and windows .. do i have to manually update grup to see this new debian .. or will the install just see them and install its grub in place of ubuntus grub ? |
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| 02:03.59 | jpgepetto | joeb_: it should see them. |
| 02:04.30 | jpgepetto | joeb_: it will tell you at the end of the install which os's are detected |
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| 02:05.59 | joeb_ | i think i just have bare debian |
| 02:06.06 | joeb_ | i did startx at login and command not found |
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| 02:06.36 | dvs | joeb_: you installed it already? |
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| 02:06.52 | joeb_ | dvs- yea in vbox .. |
| 02:07.14 | jpgepetto | joeb_: did you use the net install? |
| 02:07.21 | dvs | joeb_: Choose an environment and install it |
| 02:08.43 | joeb_ | can i re-run setup ? |
| 02:08.56 | dvs | joeb_: tasksel |
| 02:10.03 | sunscreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.05 | sunscreen | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 02:10.05 | sunscreen | Get:1 http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/main libbarry0 0.15-1 [248kB] |
| 02:10.08 | sunscreen | heheh |
| 02:10.22 | joeb_ | i got choose software to install / sql or manual package i click on manual package and i get aptitude .. no desktop enviornment |
| 02:10.24 | sunscreen | is moon going to fall into the sun now? |
| 02:10.30 | joeb_ | i think i should re-run the setup |
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| 02:10.46 | dvs | joeb_: you had a choice of "Desktop Environment" |
| 02:11.05 | joeb_ | i think that is where i hit the button on accident and it just finished up the install |
| 02:11.14 | sunscreen | 22ed6003, RIM BlackBerry Device |
| 02:11.16 | sunscreen | nope |
| 02:11.18 | sunscreen | :::::::::::) |
| 02:11.25 | dvs | joeb_: you don't have to reinstall to get a GUI |
| 02:11.41 | sunscreen | just need to fix up the gpgg thing now if you dont mind pointing me in the right direction |
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| 02:12.06 | gnarface | sunscreen: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring didn't fix it? |
| 02:13.23 | sunscreen | sorry i forget you mentioned that before .... so have you got to do that for each repo you running actively, or all repos you are trying to use simultaneous |
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| 02:13.35 | joeb_ | dvs- i must be doing it wrong .. i did apt-cache search x11 / apt-cache search desktop etc .. still nothing |
| 02:14.07 | gnarface | sunscreen: i'm not sure because i only ever use one repo at a time. i would imagine that it doesn't change very often so is usually not a problem though |
| 02:14.08 | dvs | joeb_: What desktop environment do you want? |
| 02:14.18 | joeb_ | dvs- gnome / kde is bloated |
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| 02:14.35 | sunscreen | yeah i guess your right... not like you need to switch between the two to install a single package |
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| 02:14.37 | dvs | joeb_: sooo xfce? lxde? what? |
| 02:14.38 | CcSsNET | midori on debian 6.0 fails by default. absolute minimal installed gui, (xorg, fluxbox, midori) |
| 02:14.44 | joeb_ | i will try xfce |
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| 02:15.00 | sunscreen | as in get a lib from lenny and then install 1 from sid then install the main app from squeeze or other repo |
| 02:15.05 | dvs | joeb_: apt-get install xfce |
| 02:15.06 | sunscreen | heaha |
| 02:15.16 | gnarface | joeb_: i like e16. xorg is the metapackage for the new X11 server though, fyi |
| 02:15.19 | CcSsNET | stop using apt-get, use aptitude in place of it |
| 02:16.00 | sunscreen | awe poor apt-get .. been a good friend to me and its so quick and convenient compared to hauling all through menus and what not |
| 02:16.09 | joeb_ | dvs- yea what im saying is i can't install everything i litterally have the bare minimans of anything .. apt-get install xfce shows E: unable to locate xfce .. i used aptitutde to look for it but it can't find it |
| 02:16.23 | CcSsNET | i said in place of it... |
| 02:16.27 | CcSsNET | same damn sub commands |
| 02:16.41 | CcSsNET | aptitude install fluxbox |
| 02:16.44 | CcSsNET | for example |
| 02:16.52 | dvs | joeb_: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 02:16.55 | dvs | my mistake |
| 02:17.09 | joeb_ | dvs- can't find it |
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| 02:17.18 | gnarface | joeb_: you can pass regex patterns to apt-cache search, like apt-cache search ^xfce |
| 02:17.31 | gnarface | joeb_: just make sure you apt-get update first |
| 02:17.45 | joeb_ | yes / apt-cache search <file> or i went to aptititude .. in aptitude i did a u to update all packages |
| 02:17.54 | felosis | joeb_ what about apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ? |
| 02:17.57 | felosis | er sorry :D |
| 02:18.03 | dvs | grrrrr! |
| 02:18.14 | gnarface | oh ffs apt-get update && apt-get install e16 |
| 02:18.18 | gnarface | e16 lives! |
| 02:18.21 | felosis | rofl |
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| 02:18.52 | kpoman | hello ! guys I have a corrupted dpkg status file. how do I solve this ? |
| 02:18.53 | joeb_ | let me tell you what aptitiude has .. --installed packages 5 -- not installed 189 obsolete and locally created packages 142 -- virtual packages 83 task 5 |
| 02:18.55 | felosis | xfce4 shows up on my default squeeze install :D |
| 02:18.58 | joeb_ | i think i did something wrong during the install |
| 02:19.12 | CcSsNET | kpoman using aptitude instead of apt-get tends to avoid that |
| 02:19.29 | gnarface | joeb_: you have multiple debian versions in your sources.list file right? |
| 02:19.38 | dvs | oh geez |
| 02:19.43 | joeb_ | gnarface- the ones it comes with .. let me paste it pastebin thing |
| 02:19.53 | sunscreen | damn bb enterprise crap .. my phone got stolen/lost and now the replacement i bought is stuck on enterprise it policy |
| 02:19.58 | joeb_ | i have 2 |
| 02:20.02 | kpoman | my status file is not text, it is binary. is that possible ? |
| 02:20.11 | felosis | sunscreen that happens BES is poop |
| 02:20.33 | dvs | poop!?! |
| 02:20.34 | sunscreen | i figured barry might have something to wipe i think googles got me on a wild goose chase here heh |
| 02:20.37 | dvs | the language! |
| 02:21.04 | kpoman | CcSsNET: it is telling me I need to run dpkg --configure -a , however the command fails saying something about a colon |
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| 02:21.29 | CcSsNET | apt-get -f install, kpoman |
| 02:21.34 | sunscreen | yea it was a civilised phone when it allows you to setup msn/gmail/blackberry.com |
| 02:22.19 | kpoman | CcSsNET: please see here: http://pastebin.com/t4STJJkX |
| 02:22.22 | sunscreen | i hear there is a enter the code wrong ten times trick but i am scared to try it on os 5.0 |
| 02:22.24 | felosis | sunscreen yea you get BES in the mix and it all goes to hell |
| 02:22.43 | felosis | sunscreen that wipes the phone get jlcommander |
| 02:22.44 | kpoman | the machine rebooted while upgrading |
| 02:23.09 | joeb_ | nothing guys |
| 02:23.11 | dvs | just got os 6.0 today! |
| 02:23.16 | joeb_ | im going to restart install |
| 02:23.24 | dvs | joeb_: nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:23.27 | sunscreen | yeap i have to wait for a windows machine .. not sure i can get away with wine'ing that |
| 02:23.34 | joeb_ | dvs- nope |
| 02:23.41 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:23.47 | joeb_ | dvs- i litterally hit a button and it just finshed .. i never seen an install go that fast |
| 02:23.52 | kpoman | CcSsNET: any ideas ? |
| 02:24.33 | CcSsNET | kpoman: seems you have a common debian bug in ur grasp. ask someone if they know how to fix it, i dont. as for avoiding it. EVERYONE should stop using apt-get and start typing aptitude in its place instead |
| 02:24.33 | dvs | joeb_: Your choice |
| 02:25.04 | kpoman | CcSsNET: do you know where to search on google ? |
| 02:25.08 | sunscreen | CcSsNET, how comes ? |
| 02:25.28 | CcSsNET | aptitude does state checking on conflicting situations |
| 02:25.31 | CcSsNET | apt-get does not |
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| 02:25.59 | CcSsNET | basically aptitude doesnt destroy itself |
| 02:26.02 | CcSsNET | like apt-get can |
| 02:26.15 | gnarface | fwiw i've never seen apt-get "destroy itself" |
| 02:26.23 | CcSsNET | then u dont do much |
| 02:26.24 | CcSsNET | ;) |
| 02:26.39 | gnarface | who are you? the head coder on aptitude? |
| 02:26.43 | CcSsNET | no |
| 02:26.44 | kpoman | CcSsNET: how do I fix this ? please ! I am on the debian channel ! |
| 02:26.59 | CcSsNET | i dont even use debian anymore, im just testing out 6.0 because i wanted to see the progress |
| 02:27.11 | gnarface | CcSsNET: so then YOU don't do much ;) |
| 02:27.16 | CcSsNET | hah |
| 02:27.27 | CcSsNET | define much |
| 02:27.38 | gnarface | CcSsNET: sorry your hard-line sell just sounded like you work for them or something |
| 02:27.41 | sunscreen | LOL felosis wine runs the binary |
| 02:27.50 | felosis | NICE! |
| 02:27.51 | felosis | lol |
| 02:27.53 | sunscreen | shall i risk it? |
| 02:28.30 | sunscreen | whats the worse that can happen ... brick a 250 quid phone |
| 02:28.31 | sunscreen | not to sure |
| 02:28.37 | CcSsNET | gnarface i actually use sourcemage now a days. prior that i was a big debian fan. |
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| 02:29.08 | gnarface | CcSsNET: sourcemage? got a url for that? i've never heard of it |
| 02:29.52 | CcSsNET | sourcemage.org |
| 02:31.59 | gnarface | what is this, like gentoo for D&D fanatics? |
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| 02:32.27 | joeb_ | dvs- i found the problem .. my last install never let me choose a mirror ie ftp.debian.org |
| 02:32.30 | CcSsNET | no its only somewhat like gentoo, in my opinion far better. go read the site in depth |
| 02:32.43 | kpoman | please someone ? |
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| 02:32.46 | CcSsNET | symlink the comands to something else if u dont like em |
| 02:32.53 | CcSsNET | or alias even |
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| 02:33.18 | gnarface | CcSsNET: the notion is novel, to be sure but source-based distros are highly impractical in my line of work |
| 02:33.24 | dvs | joeb_: That's not really a mirror |
| 02:33.40 | CcSsNET | well binary distro's are highly impractical for developers imo |
| 02:33.44 | CcSsNET | so i am using that |
| 02:33.51 | felosis | sunscreen i wouldnt be afraid worst that happens is it doesnt work |
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| 02:34.17 | felosis | done prolly 15 various bb models with jlcommander |
| 02:34.20 | simonrvn | CcSsNET: so why are you here? |
| 02:34.38 | CcSsNET | eh i joined to say midori fails ^ read above |
| 02:34.50 | gnarface | CcSsNET: more power to you, but you only have to burn out ~1000$ of ram while bootstrapping a system once because someone forgot to make the installer fans on before you learn to never use that in production again |
| 02:34.58 | simonrvn | are you even using debian? is that our problem? |
| 02:35.06 | felosis | lol |
| 02:35.08 | kpoman | what kind of nightmare is this |
| 02:35.09 | CcSsNET | ... |
| 02:35.22 | kpoman | I am really disappointed, got many apt errors. |
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| 02:35.26 | simonrvn | kpoman: what's up? |
| 02:35.31 | kpoman | and all recommendations dont work |
| 02:35.56 | kpoman | simonrvn: the box rebooted when upgrading. it now complains about having to run dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:35.59 | kpoman | but that command fails |
| 02:36.04 | kpoman | saying the status is invalid |
| 02:36.07 | CcSsNET | kpoman: reinstall. and in every situation you think to type apt-get type aptitude instead |
| 02:36.12 | simonrvn | !status |
| 02:36.12 | dpkg | Since Wed Mar 9 12:05:03 2011, there have been 1 modification, 133 questions, 20 dunnos, 0 morons and 37 commands. I have been awake for 14h 31m 9s this session, and currently reference 39390 factoids. I'm using about 18012 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 68.77/4.15 child 0.01/0.02 |
| 02:36.19 | kpoman | I already copied status-old to status, and still errors like "newline in field name" |
| 02:36.21 | simonrvn | !fubar status file |
| 02:36.29 | simonrvn | sec |
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| 02:36.43 | kpoman | CcSsNET: reinstall ? are we talking about windows here ? please ... |
| 02:36.58 | simonrvn | !very fubar status file |
| 02:36.58 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
| 02:37.04 | gnarface | kpoman: give him a break, he uses a source-based distro |
| 02:37.06 | simonrvn | kpoman: ^^^ |
| 02:37.08 | kpoman | if it is so fragile I guess I'll try other distro |
| 02:37.11 | kpoman | I use gentoo too |
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| 02:37.34 | gnarface | kpoman: wait what command fails? |
| 02:37.35 | kpoman | but nevermind. I just dont understand how a package manager can do so much trouble of a little nothing |
| 02:37.50 | gnarface | kpoman: just pastebin the command and the output please? |
| 02:37.51 | simonrvn | kpoman: it's the main file, and backups are made every night |
| 02:37.52 | kpoman | gnarface: all suggested ones. apt-get update fails |
| 02:37.59 | kpoman | dpkg --configure -a also |
| 02:37.59 | dpkg | kpoman: wish i knew |
| 02:38.08 | gnarface | kpoman: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list too |
| 02:38.09 | simonrvn | please read what the bot said above |
| 02:38.11 | CcSsNET | gnarface: MyAzhaxsuggestion was on the basis that he had no idea how to fix it, and not a strategy i use for source distros |
| 02:38.21 | kpoman | I posted it here: http://pastebin.com/t4STJJkX |
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| 02:38.34 | gnarface | CcSsNET: relax i'm just giving you shit ;) |
| 02:38.37 | kpoman | gnarface: I am updating a chrooted n900 env |
| 02:38.39 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 02:38.57 | kpoman | it just rebooted while updating. now everything is broken. this is not fun |
| 02:38.59 | simonrvn | um, you have a status-old file there, use that |
| 02:39.20 | simonrvn | problem solved. next! |
| 02:39.24 | gnarface | kpoman: wtf?? parse eå' must be followed by colon/status' near line 0 what the hell does that evven mean? |
| 02:39.56 | felosis | its prolly a corrupt pkg |
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| 02:40.00 | simonrvn | hel-lo! |
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| 02:40.19 | allan8904 | hey, if i'm looking for a specific version of a debian package that isnt in the debian repository (as there is a newer version), do i have any chance of finding it? |
| 02:40.38 | kpoman | I did, then I get this problem: http://pastebin.com/8kXVY4Uu |
| 02:40.40 | felosis | kpoman i had that issue once had to do alot of dpkg --configure -a alot lol |
| 02:40.44 | gnarface | allan8904: did you ask google? |
| 02:41.00 | allan8904 | gnarface: yes i googled the package and couldnt find anything :/ |
| 02:41.02 | felosis | allan8904 build from source? (thought why would you want a old pkg?) |
| 02:41.08 | kpoman | gnarface: my status got somehow binary on it. |
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| 02:41.15 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.22 | kpoman | gnarface: status-old doesnt. then I copy it and then it fails again |
| 02:41.24 | felosis | allan8904 what pkg? |
| 02:41.35 | allan8904 | felosis: linux-source-2.6.32_2.6.32-26~bpo40+1_all.deb |
| 02:41.46 | gnarface | ah! |
| 02:41.47 | felosis | kernel.org lol |
| 02:42.05 | kpoman | gnarface: I got rid of the -e stuff too but still fails |
| 02:42.07 | gnarface | allan8904: the kernel packages in debian are now called linux-image |
| 02:42.25 | allan8904 | gnarface, felosis: doesnt the debian kernels have extra patches added to them? |
| 02:42.28 | kpoman | gnarface: I just wanna avoid reinstalling like a windows noob |
| 02:42.42 | gnarface | kpoman: something is wrong here... like you have too many or too few newlines in the first 1 or 2 lines of that file |
| 02:42.43 | allan8904 | gnarface: I'm actually after the source to recompile it, not the actual image itself |
| 02:42.59 | CcSsNET | kpoman: weight the time saved vs what u may or may not learn |
| 02:43.00 | simonrvn | kpoman: like the bot said, check in /var/backups |
| 02:43.05 | kpoman | gnarface: what does that mean ? why does it complain ? wtf is happening ? |
| 02:43.08 | gnarface | allan8904: the debian sources have extra patches that YOU WANT |
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| 02:43.23 | kpoman | simonrvn: i dont have backups there yet. fresh install |
| 02:43.29 | gnarface | allan8904: otherwise kernel.org |
| 02:43.30 | allan8904 | gnarface: awesome, thanks :) |
| 02:43.34 | kpoman | simonrvn: only have status-old |
| 02:43.36 | felosis | allan8904 apt-get linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 02:43.41 | simonrvn | then do the other one to reconstruct it |
| 02:43.47 | simonrvn | !very fubar status file |
| 02:43.47 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
| 02:43.53 | allan8904 | felosis: yeah the only problem is thats bpo5 not bpo4 :/ |
| 02:44.10 | CcSsNET | gnarface: weltalll if these patches are so important i hope there being sent to the main devs for said packages in question. and not just used here on debian |
| 02:44.12 | felosis | bpo? |
| 02:44.20 | allan8904 | felosis: revision |
| 02:44.22 | felosis | ah |
| 02:44.25 | Arrowmaster | !snapshot |
| 02:44.25 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 02:44.29 | felosis | why do you need the older revision? |
| 02:44.33 | kpoman | gnarface: any idea ? |
| 02:44.39 | Arrowmaster | allan8904: did you try snapshot.debian.net? |
| 02:44.40 | felosis | nice find Arrowmaster |
| 02:44.45 | gnarface | CcSsNET: most of them are just alterations to the default configuration options to increase platform compatibility |
| 02:44.52 | simonrvn | it's .org now |
| 02:44.53 | CcSsNET | ah |
| 02:45.10 | allan8904 | Arrowmaster: i'll give that a shot :) |
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| 02:45.39 | gnarface | kpoman: really not sure..... add a newline after the #!/bin/sh in status and make sure there isn't one before it? and i dunno... make the file executable... this is weird to me this n900 stuff |
| 02:45.44 | allan8904 | felosis: we've compiled our credit card drivers against that version of the kernel, so in order to make sure that it doestn break we'd like to stick with it |
| 02:45.46 | Arrowmaster | simonrvn: then fix the factoid, i dont remember the replacement syntax |
| 02:45.52 | felosis | allan8904 ahhhhh |
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| 02:46.06 | kpoman | gnarface: it is just a plain ARM deb |
| 02:46.07 | felosis | allan8904 should have looked into possibly holding that kerenel version in aptitude |
| 02:46.18 | kpoman | on a chrooted ext2 file fs |
| 02:46.20 | simonrvn | uh, why should i? read it again. |
| 02:46.34 | Arrowmaster | simonrvn: doh |
| 02:46.41 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:46.42 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.49 | felosis | allan8904 good :D |
| 02:46.58 | Arrowmaster | i just glossed over it looking for a url |
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| 02:48.29 | gnarface | allan8904: i used to compile kernel.org sources with custom configurations regularly for debian. you might want to look into the kernel-package package (its for automating creation of a simple kernel .deb quick+dirty from arbitrary kernel sources) but i stopped needing to ..... for the last few debian versions (since etch i believe) the stock debian kernels ran all my bleeding-edge nvidia gaming hardware relatively painlessly |
| 02:48.29 | kpoman | gnarface: I did, still the same. why does it talk about line 0 ? is it kidding ? wtf |
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| 02:49.08 | allan8904 | gnarface: i'll definately do that, thanks for your help |
| 02:49.11 | gnarface | kpoman: i'm not familiar enough with dpkg internal behavior to know... seems to me like it is not expecting a shell script file |
| 02:49.34 | kpoman | gnarface: I have another status which is binary |
| 02:49.49 | kpoman | gnarface: but hey, why the old is text and current is bin ? wtf again |
| 02:49.53 | gnarface | kpoman: what happened when you tried it instead? i wasn't paying attention |
| 02:49.54 | kpoman | what a mess |
| 02:50.12 | kpoman | both complain on dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:50.18 | kpoman | one says missing colon |
| 02:50.22 | kpoman | the other error on line 0 |
| 02:50.25 | gnarface | kpoman: rebooting it mid-install was probably not the wisest logistical decision of your life |
| 02:50.27 | kpoman | this is a joke |
| 02:50.39 | kpoman | gnarface: the phone rebooted by itself |
| 02:50.52 | gnarface | kpoman: eek! bad power supply?? what filesystem does that thing use? |
| 02:51.17 | kpoman | the debian is on a vfat 2G file formatted to ext2, I chroot on it to mount my stuff |
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| 02:51.31 | gnarface | vfat means windows fat32 to me |
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| 02:51.46 | gnarface | which is in direct contradition to the statement "file formatted to ext2" |
| 02:52.11 | kpoman | yep, the MyDocs personal folder of the phone. the easy-debian package downloads an image. it worked fine. I just wanted to update the packages. started upgrading then reboot. then everything f#cked up |
| 02:52.37 | gnarface | but either way you're not using a journaling filesystem. any chance you could get away with a fresh install on top of ext3 or xfs or jfs or reiserfs? you'd likely never have this problem again with journaling |
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| 02:53.06 | kpoman | gnarface: the partition is not a device, it is a file ... like dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/my_filesystem ... then mkfs.ext2 /tmp/my_filesystem |
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| 02:53.09 | kpoman | then mount |
| 02:53.17 | gnarface | oh god |
| 02:53.33 | kpoman | simple for a gentoo sufferer :p |
| 02:53.47 | gnarface | so your entire install always gonna be a disk image on a fat32 partition? |
| 02:54.07 | kpoman | let me try an fsck |
| 02:54.14 | kpoman | yep for now yes |
| 02:54.20 | gnarface | suddenly stopped being jealous of n900 owners |
| 02:54.26 | kpoman | it is a 2G file ... I have room on it |
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| 02:55.20 | ddilinger | i dunno ... i'm still a fan of the nokia 3000 series. Indestructable, makes phone calls |
| 02:55.31 | gnarface | kpoman: the problem is that if you aren't using a journaling filesystem on the bare metal than random power interruptions/reboots during normal disk I/O typically are prone to MASSIVE MASSIVE data loss |
| 02:55.58 | kpoman | gnarface: I am doing right now an fsck |
| 02:56.25 | gnarface | kpoman: in my experience fat32 fsck tends to be destructive not "repairing" |
| 02:57.05 | gnarface | kpoman: i wish you luck but you honestly had probably better do a fresh install from scratch or reset the device to hardware defaults or whatever you'd do with that and start over, this time with the power plugged into the wall |
| 02:57.15 | kpoman | it is just a fsck.ext2 /my/image |
| 02:57.46 | gnarface | seriously fat32 on the bare metal though? |
| 02:57.50 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 02:57.57 | kpoman | I dont really have the choice |
| 02:58.02 | gnarface | no way around it? |
| 02:58.16 | kpoman | it is a phone, with its own partitioning for other stuff to run (like maemo and its bootloader) |
| 02:58.27 | gnarface | hmm |
| 02:58.37 | gnarface | nokia used to be so smart too |
| 02:58.43 | gnarface | they really freaking screwed up this time |
| 02:58.54 | kpoman | they are going back to meego |
| 02:58.59 | kpoman | did you hear about that |
| 02:59.09 | kpoman | they are gonna have n900 and n950 meego versions |
| 02:59.23 | kpoman | until the end of the year. which is good |
| 02:59.24 | gnarface | oh? no because i heard they sold out to microsoft for 1 billion and fired all their linux devs. that's what *i* heard |
| 02:59.53 | kpoman | yep they almost sold the company but still have many good developers on it, so they decided to keep their linux effort |
| 02:59.58 | kpoman | which for the n900 is quite good |
| 03:00.20 | kpoman | maemo itself is cool, but lot of ARM apps must be run on that chrooted thing |
| 03:00.29 | kpoman | then comes apt and its annoyances |
| 03:00.42 | gnarface | well if i had an n900 the first thing i'd try to do was get a journaling filesystem onto the bare metal, and the second thing i would try to do is get a stock debian install onto the bare metal |
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| 03:01.16 | kpoman | gnarface: well I am starting to do that. one thing is that MTD have not long life |
| 03:01.28 | gnarface | that open source phone... openmoko or whatever? debian supported it, even for calls.... |
| 03:01.30 | simonrvn | jffs2 on a cf/flash device like that |
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| 03:01.38 | kpoman | so I guess they try to have the os part with a special kind of memory and user data on a cheaper one |
| 03:01.48 | gnarface | kpoman: MTD? que es? |
| 03:01.56 | kpoman | memory technology devices |
| 03:01.58 | kpoman | :p |
| 03:02.01 | gnarface | oh |
| 03:02.21 | gnarface | has seen that option in the kernel config, always disabled it along with everything else he didn't recognize |
| 03:02.39 | kpoman | ehehhe |
| 03:02.51 | gnarface | lol mtd i thought that was some out-of business ISA-bus era crap |
| 03:03.00 | kpoman | well, it is a sad story. I got too many problems with that apt thing :( I must reinstall the whole thing now |
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| 03:03.31 | kpoman | I think I will ask on maemo channel if there is a smaller debian image |
| 03:03.41 | gnarface | kpoman: without journaling that random reboot really hosed you... you might want to check your battery connections and power cable before you try again.... |
| 03:03.59 | gnarface | before journaling filesystems power supply is really your achilles heel |
| 03:04.12 | gnarface | after that its just a minor annoyance |
| 03:05.04 | gnarface | would be tempted to take a volt meter to the power connector while heavily harassing the wire |
| 03:05.11 | simonrvn | unless the psu is fubar |
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| 03:05.57 | kpoman | gnarface: I guess it did too much IO while updating and maybe some kernel panic or something |
| 03:05.57 | gnarface | always a possibility as well |
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| 03:07.28 | gnarface | kpoman: possible if the power supply is too weak to actually drive the hardware at full load, but the PPP checklist suggests its more commonly connectivity on your power cable |
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| 03:08.07 | kpoman | gnarface: the battery was almost full |
| 03:08.08 | kpoman | :| |
| 03:08.30 | gnarface | kpoman: power supply, plugs, permissions (in that order) |
| 03:09.27 | kpoman | there is a deadly silence on maemo's channel :s |
| 03:09.40 | gnarface | kpoman: batteries wear out and begin to fail in weird ways (lose amperage before they lose total run time, for example) and digital battery gauges are notoriously unreliable |
| 03:09.51 | gnarface | kpoman: that's because they've all been fired!!!! |
| 03:10.06 | kpoman | my device is quite new ! |
| 03:10.07 | gnarface | is so disappointed with Nokia right now |
| 03:10.13 | kpoman | it has 1 month |
| 03:10.22 | kpoman | I really like the phone |
| 03:10.42 | gnarface | kpoman: when you were running that update, you didn't have it plugged into the charger? |
| 03:10.49 | kpoman | I only wonder why dont they put an emulation layer or something to not having to chroot and do weird stuff |
| 03:11.04 | kpoman | gnarface: yes it was ! |
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| 03:11.40 | gnarface | kpoman: happen to know what the ambient temperature of the area it was sitting was? |
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| 03:11.51 | gnarface | kpoman: some stuff randomly reboots in response to overheating |
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| 03:12.39 | kpoman | it wasnt warm, around 35 degrees for the cpu |
| 03:12.48 | gnarface | 35 c i'm guessing |
| 03:12.52 | gnarface | does math |
| 03:12.53 | kpoman | yep |
| 03:12.56 | kpoman | hhe |
| 03:13.16 | gnarface | that's 95 |
| 03:13.31 | gnarface | that's a lot if it was ambient room temp. you're *sure* that was the cpu core? |
| 03:13.45 | gnarface | that value can change in moments... how long before the reboot had you checked it? |
| 03:14.19 | mrdebuntu | why is ubuntu's software center included in debian |
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| 03:14.32 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: shut your whore mouth |
| 03:14.46 | mrdebuntu | ? |
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| 03:15.12 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: sorry i'm excitable, what i meant was - what packages do you see that would suggest this? |
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| 03:16.41 | gnarface | kpoman: if it wasn't a hardware (power line) related reboot or a heat-related reboot i don't know what to tell you. if it does it again you might want to consider runnng your charger cable into your refrigerator or at least setting the thing in front of your air conditioner vent while you're running this or something.... mobile devices are rarely tested well for heavy load |
| 03:17.23 | kpoman | yep I'll double check temp next upgrade |
| 03:18.14 | paijo | hello.. |
| 03:18.17 | gnarface | kpoman: failing that... faulty ram as a 3rd possibility... at least that's what i've seen on PC's |
| 03:18.18 | paijo | all |
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| 03:18.38 | gnarface | kpoman: can you somehow boot a memtest boot disk on it? |
| 03:18.46 | paijo | i have intel 845 on board on my pc.. |
| 03:18.48 | gnarface | kpoman: might be worth the effort if it happens again |
| 03:19.09 | kpoman | gnarface: I dont know, the bootloader thing is an issue on this kind of device |
| 03:19.25 | paijo | but when i am using xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, it will bring me to freeze the desktop.. can someone help me ?? |
| 03:19.59 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: you're sure you don't have ubuntu repos in your sources.list? the idea that ubuntu's software center (whatever that is) is in debian is alarming to me but i suspect one of two things. either 1) its actually *debian's* software center that ubuntu inherits or 2) you've mixed ubuntu and debian sources (a common mistake) |
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| 03:21.06 | gnarface | kpoman: wish i knew more about the specifics of the device. i always wanted one but AT&T still refuses to carry it or even allow it on their network due to some shady illegal under-the-table deal with Apple |
| 03:21.21 | kpoman | pff |
| 03:21.31 | kpoman | I am in brazil |
| 03:21.32 | paijo | for now, I was forced to use vesa drivers |
| 03:21.33 | kpoman | :p |
| 03:21.43 | paijo | can somebody can help me ?? |
| 03:21.45 | gnarface | kpoman: haha lucky you. |
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| 03:22.13 | kpoman | yes, you have here an unlimited dataplan for about 35u$/month |
| 03:22.31 | kpoman | but 3g outputs about 256kb |
| 03:22.36 | gnarface | what is 35u? |
| 03:22.36 | kpoman | kilobits |
| 03:22.46 | kpoman | 35 dollars |
| 03:22.52 | gnarface | oh you mean the equivalent of 35 usd? |
| 03:23.01 | kpoman | yes, about 50 reais |
| 03:23.14 | paijo | hello |
| 03:23.27 | kpoman | I will try to do an ext3 fs now see if it helps |
| 03:23.38 | kpoman | dont know why the guy created easy debian on ext2 |
| 03:23.56 | gnarface | shit in the US we barely see even 128kbps on 3g OR 4g (regardless of what the commercials claim - in practice that shit barely stands up favorably to dial-up) |
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| 03:24.40 | kpoman | Oh I now what I am gonna do ! I am going to download on my gentoo box, mount, copy all to a new fs, get rid of every useless thing, update there, then compress and send to my phone |
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| 03:25.00 | gnarface | kpoman: probably because ext2 is faster/requires less ram. i recommend personally (though in this channel it is an unpopular option) that you try reiserfs before you try ext3 - it is optimized for small files and small directories, and takes a shit ton less ram/cpu |
| 03:25.18 | kpoman | sometimes I could get 2Mbps but most of the time it goes around 256kbps |
| 03:25.32 | gnarface | amazing |
| 03:25.34 | kpoman | reiserfs ? is that the killerfs ? lol |
| 03:25.42 | kpoman | I know, I used it lot of time ago |
| 03:25.43 | gnarface | yea that's the killerfs but i heard she was asking fo rit |
| 03:25.44 | kpoman | :p |
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| 03:25.49 | kpoman | then the guy did that shit |
| 03:25.55 | kpoman | then everything went bad |
| 03:25.57 | kpoman | :d |
| 03:26.04 | gnarface | genius & madness = very fine line |
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| 03:26.12 | kpoman | hehehe |
| 03:26.16 | dvs | knows |
| 03:26.23 | kpoman | I suppose about 90% of debian users are |
| 03:26.25 | kpoman | :d |
| 03:26.26 | mrdebuntu | debian asks for b43 firmware on usb stick, but then it cant find it in isntaller |
| 03:26.29 | mrdebuntu | what is hte matter |
| 03:26.30 | kpoman | gentoo are bit less crazy |
| 03:26.31 | gnarface | don't mistake his madness for him being incompetent as a developer. that's just simple prejudice. reiserfs does what it was designed to do VERY well |
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| 03:27.18 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: b43 firmware (just guessing here) might only be in the contrib/nonfree sources? |
| 03:27.21 | kpoman | reiserfs is still on top of the others even many years after ***that shit*** |
| 03:27.28 | kpoman | lol |
| 03:27.40 | mrdebuntu | gnarface: it just asks for it on the install stick, i say yes, and it keeps on askign |
| 03:28.02 | mrdebuntu | interesting thing is, in crunchbang, b43 was activated automatically |
| 03:28.20 | mrdebuntu | and i thought in the past b43 did not work with it, and i had to compile wl.ko |
| 03:28.54 | gnarface | ext3 and ext4 have caught up quite well and btrfs is looking very promising, but for an average file size of < 4k with directory contents of less than about 10,000 files/subdirectories each or so and where you don't do many large-file-list batch deletions (it does deletions very badly, especially with long file lists or large files) it still blows the doors off everything |
| 03:29.20 | gnarface | reiserfs that is ^^^ |
| 03:29.39 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: b43 what is that? broadcom wireless network firmware? |
| 03:29.47 | mrdebuntu | yes |
| 03:30.08 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: so its not finding it on your netboot install iso? |
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| 03:30.29 | mrdebuntu | yes |
| 03:30.44 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: so put it on there |
| 03:30.53 | mrdebuntu | what directory and what file |
| 03:31.17 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: fuck if i know. but its probably not in main, its probably in contrib or non-free |
| 03:31.44 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: which means you probably need to either try the WHOLE cd1 from the non-net install, or else modify your net install disk |
| 03:31.50 | dvs | mrdebuntu: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 03:32.05 | gnarface | dvs:++ |
| 03:32.17 | dvs | yay |
| 03:32.39 | tuxmm | hello all. Anyone can help with dvgrab capture on Squeeze? I use firewire. |
| 03:33.00 | kj4 | anyone know what happened to the the 'debian system' book, REVISED edition- i thought there was a plan for a new verion of that great book |
| 03:33.01 | mrdebuntu | that's not too helpful then |
| 03:34.18 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: why not? you can't get the file onto the disk or you really need me to go browsing the package tree in my web browser for you to find a link to the right package? |
| 03:35.44 | mrdebuntu | why is it not on the stick to begin with. it should be and probably is, but is nto finding it |
| 03:36.08 | dvs | because it's non-free |
| 03:36.24 | mrdebuntu | didnt they release a free driver now |
| 03:36.41 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: probably because its patent-encumbered cruft you should avoid buying in the first place. check here: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx for more info than i'm willing to read to summarize for you |
| 03:36.52 | dvs | it still needs non-free firmware |
| 03:37.09 | mrdebuntu | why |
| 03:37.33 | dvs | mrdebuntu: because Broadcom won't release the specs |
| 03:37.41 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: because broadcom is a bunch of greedy luddite bastards trying to sandbag back the ocean to protect their failing 1970's era business plan |
| 03:37.43 | mrdebuntu | they just did, didnt they |
| 03:38.14 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: they released a press release cleverly formulated to sound like it, but they're just pretending |
| 03:38.24 | mrdebuntu | oh i see |
| 03:38.34 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: avoid broadcom products |
| 03:38.41 | mrdebuntu | unfortunate, product boxes do not state the manufacturer of cards inside the pc sometimes |
| 03:38.56 | mrdebuntu | it is honerous to go outside to tthe internet adn find |
| 03:39.02 | dvs | but websites usually do |
| 03:39.17 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: unfortunate, indeed. what product is this and how hard would it be for you to put a standard pci ethernet card in it that has fully supported open-source drivers |
| 03:39.18 | gnarface | ? |
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| 03:39.24 | tuxmm | does anybody know how to get dv1394 loaded in squeeze? |
| 03:39.29 | mrdebuntu | its a netbook |
| 03:39.38 | gnarface | dar god |
| 03:39.43 | dvs | Apple? figures. |
| 03:39.51 | mrdebuntu | no |
| 03:40.22 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: does the harddrive come out of it? cause that's what i'd be doing - mounting it on my desktop and doing a chrooted debootstrap on the bastard |
| 03:40.31 | mrdebuntu | lol |
| 03:40.36 | mrdebuntu | never mind |
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| 03:41.26 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: maybe the full crdrom install disk 1 has the non-free firmware (possible but i wouldn't bet on it) but you should just follow the wiki instructions for getting the file from the repo and loading it manually during install |
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| 03:42.59 | mrdebuntu | im thnking its not worth it on here |
| 03:43.07 | mrdebuntu | leave gthe netbook as it is |
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| 03:43.17 | gnarface | what is it running currently? |
| 03:44.02 | mrdebuntu | 10.04 |
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| 03:44.26 | gnarface | 10.04 what? os X? ubuntu? chrome-os? |
| 03:44.34 | mrdebuntu | how can you not know what that is |
| 03:44.37 | mrdebuntu | its ubuntu |
| 03:44.47 | gnarface | i was being fasetious |
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| 03:44.51 | gnarface | however you spell that |
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| 03:45.10 | sporedi | how do i check that which are file are in use and which files are copyed /used in memory |
| 03:45.10 | gnarface | what network devices does it have? |
| 03:45.35 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: does it have any other network devices? |
| 03:46.27 | mrdebuntu | i know how to isntall it the other way |
| 03:46.53 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: the broadcom device, it is wireless, no? |
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| 03:47.39 | dvs | mrdebuntu: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 03:47.49 | Mad-Scientist | Can someone help me set up a watch dog system? |
| 03:47.50 | nvz | anyone know how I'd export an active X display over vnc from SSH? |
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| 03:48.02 | flipflop_ | hello |
| 03:48.24 | nvz | flipflop_: konichiwa |
| 03:48.37 | mrdebuntu | dvs: interesting. ok |
| 03:48.38 | Mad-Scientist | I didn't see any NMI interrupts in /proc/interrupts |
| 03:48.52 | gnarface | nvz: do you need ssh for that? i thought new versions of vnc had ssl support built-in? |
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| 03:49.18 | nvz | gnarface: uh.. I'm talking about I'm ssh'd into a remote machine that has an X display :0 running |
| 03:49.33 | nvz | gnarface: I want to view that over vnc |
| 03:50.07 | gnarface | nvz: you'd have to first activate a vnc server and then tunnel it over ssh |
| 03:50.22 | nvz | gnarface: I do not need to tunnel it I have an openvpn tunnel already |
| 03:50.41 | flipflop_ | I would include a package, but need help |
| 03:50.43 | nvz | gnarface: what I am telling you is that the machine is not here and it has a logged in x session already |
| 03:50.52 | nvz | gnarface: I want to see that logged in xsession |
| 03:50.57 | flipflop_ | the package is for mview software |
| 03:51.04 | flipflop_ | http://mview.sourceforge.net |
| 03:51.25 | nvz | gnarface: this issue has nothing what-so-ever to do with SSH other than ssh is the only access I currently have to the box |
| 03:51.26 | flipflop_ | can anybody help me? |
| 03:51.42 | nvz | gnarface: the issue is attaching VNC to the running X session |
| 03:52.39 | nvz | I know that if I could phsyically touch the box I could start vino-server |
| 03:52.52 | nvz | but I currently cannot see the X session is the issue |
| 03:52.59 | gnarface | nvz: first of all,if you have openvpn properly working you should have access to all ports on that box, not just ssh (that's what openvpn is FOR) and second of all .... i think that is what vnc *does*... attaches by default to the running x display |
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| 03:53.21 | nvz | gnarface: openvpn is setup and has been for months.. its a p2p vpn I have full access to it |
| 03:53.44 | nvz | gnarface: and no, vnc runs a new server |
| 03:53.53 | gnarface | nvz: hmm. |
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| 03:54.04 | nvz | I know because I use it all the time |
| 03:54.18 | nvz | x0rfbserv used to do what I want.. |
| 03:54.23 | gnarface | nvz: run this: apt-cache search ^vnc |
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| 03:54.34 | nvz | but "rfb" the package it was in is not in debian anymore |
| 03:54.53 | gnarface | nvz: i suspect you need a *different* vnc server instance - according to that apt-cache search x11vnc is what i think you want |
| 03:54.53 | mrdebuntu | are you running d6 with gnome |
| 03:55.27 | nvz | gnarface: yes, I think that is it.. |
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| 03:56.20 | gnarface | nvz: i just have to mention this though... you DO know that you can start individual programs remotely on that server and have their X11 display forwarded over SSH to your local X11 server without the need for VNC whatsoever, right? |
| 03:56.44 | gnarface | nvz: just want to mention that in case you're making this more difficult than it has to be |
| 03:58.20 | nvz | gnarface: I know how to do all that stuff.. I'm not trying to do any of that I want to SEE the X display that is running NOW |
| 03:58.37 | nvz | the programs I want to see are already running |
| 03:58.56 | gnarface | nvz: then x11vnc should be it, i think. read the man page and let me know how it works |
| 03:59.52 | mrdebuntu | i just dont understand why d6 would pull in software center |
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| 04:00.44 | nvz | gnarface: yeah done and done.. it even has a -auth guess option to autodetect the xauth |
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| 04:00.52 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: i still don't understand what you mean by software center, but my guess is that its due to the fact you installed as "desktop system" and it was in the list of a billion other packages installed with it |
| 04:01.13 | kevin01123 | Where do you guys store your locally compiled applications? What do you pass to --prefix? /usr/local? /opt? Somewhere in ~? |
| 04:01.32 | mrdebuntu | its ubuntu's program manager for noobs |
| 04:01.39 | mrdebuntu | its not supposed to go the other way around |
| 04:01.55 | gnarface | kevin01123: /usr/local is where the debian policy manual (and most things default to) says to put it |
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| 04:02.42 | kevin01123 | gnarface: Is it the same for source code checked out from git/mercurial/cvs? Should I git clone into /usr/local/src? |
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| 04:03.43 | karlpinc | !tell kevin01123 about stow |
| 04:03.48 | karlpinc | !tell kevin01123 about stow usage |
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| 04:05.00 | gnarface | what is stow? this is new to me. i usually just make a src in my main user's home directory and then use "checkinstall make install" to install the package into /usr/local (or wherever i set the prefix, but usually in /usr/local) |
| 04:05.39 | kevin01123 | karlpinc: Hmm, that's pretty cool. |
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| 04:06.39 | gnarface | hmm. karlpinc how is stow fundamentally different from checkinstall? or are they basically just directly competing functionality? |
| 04:06.42 | mee | How do you slow /down/ your mouse? `xset m n/d t` doesn't seem to work when n/d < 1 |
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| 04:07.16 | mee | and Option Resolution in xorg.conf doesn't seem to be supported for my mouse (driver) |
| 04:07.42 | mrdebuntu | is there any poitn to installing a 3.5 inch drives anymore, when 2.5 inch drives are common adn quieter |
| 04:07.44 | gnarface | kevin01123: i would recommend you examine checkinstall as well... that stow thing seems... policy violating to me.... |
| 04:08.14 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: 1) mounting brackets, 2) cheapness |
| 04:08.39 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: 3) some of us don't consider the primary performance benchmark of our computing experience to be "quietness" |
| 04:08.48 | mrdebuntu | it is close enough |
| 04:08.57 | mrdebuntu | im leaning to using laptop drives now in all pcs |
| 04:09.13 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: i'm sure you can duct tape laptop harddrives to the inside of your PC case lid, but your'e going to run into heat problems.... |
| 04:09.31 | mrdebuntu | no |
| 04:09.34 | gnarface | no? |
| 04:09.36 | gnarface | bullshit |
| 04:09.37 | mrdebuntu | the adapters are $5 |
| 04:09.42 | mrdebuntu | you screw it in like a normal drive |
| 04:09.49 | gnarface | and it costs twice as much as one |
| 04:09.58 | kevin01123 | gnarface: Wouldn't checkinstall be just as policy violating? Does it make a .deb according to the Debian packaging standard? Does that even matter? |
| 04:10.19 | mrdebuntu | not need extra space |
| 04:10.38 | joeb_ | question .. there a way to do a netinstall .. and once im logged in just get on wifi automatic or the first time do i have to configure wifi ? |
| 04:10.55 | mrdebuntu | configure |
| 04:10.59 | mrdebuntu | just tell it the name |
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| 04:11.02 | gnarface | kevin01123: well i've never used stow, but with checkinstall its up to whatever parameters you pass to ./configure before initially compiling the source to pick where the files go... so its up to you to make it debian policy compliant - checkinstall just makes a package based on that |
| 04:11.10 | mrdebuntu | presumign you do nto have broadcom |
| 04:11.33 | joeb_ | whats the support for broadcom drivers ? |
| 04:11.47 | mrdebuntu | manual install |
| 04:11.54 | mrdebuntu | or use the iso unofficial |
| 04:11.57 | gnarface | joeb_: broadcom is evil |
| 04:12.02 | joeb_ | gnarface- 0_o |
| 04:12.08 | gnarface | mrdebuntu: you still got that link for him for the unofficialone? |
| 04:12.10 | mrdebuntu | i always have to cmpile it to work |
| 04:12.12 | mrdebuntu | no |
| 04:12.23 | gnarface | stand by i've got a long scrollback buffer |
| 04:12.28 | joeb_ | gnarface- i have BCM4312 |
| 04:12.59 | gnarface | joeb_: is that wireless? not sure if it matters, try this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 04:13.07 | joeb_ | http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 04:14.34 | mrdebuntu | what i always do is download the sta driver, and then xzf uncompress and then run make intsall. that works if you have kernel headers installed |
| 04:14.46 | joeb_ | when did debian get a wiki |
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| 04:17.14 | mrdebuntu | lol |
| 04:17.46 | joeb_ | mrdebuntu- is that for me ? |
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| 04:18.40 | mrdebuntu | yes |
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| 04:19.08 | spal | I can't seem to find an #mrxvt channel. Can I ask my question here? |
| 04:20.05 | spal | I want mrxvt to stop eating my Alt+1, Alt+2 keystrokes so that irssi running in one of the tabs can get them. |
| 04:20.09 | spal | how do I do it? |
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| 04:25.18 | joeb_ | ok im going for it |
| 04:25.20 | joeb_ | lol |
| 04:25.29 | joeb_ | i really didn't even have anything on ubuntu |
| 04:25.34 | joeb_ | im going to rm ubuntu |
| 04:25.35 | joeb_ | bbs |
| 04:25.49 | joeb_ | err .. i need to burn this iso to a disk |
| 04:25.52 | mrdebuntu | what |
| 04:26.19 | mrdebuntu | you can also try crunchbang, which sibased on d6 and already has broadcom working out of hte box |
| 04:26.36 | kj4 | joeb_: you'll never look back |
| 04:27.30 | joeb_ | mrdebuntu- yea but it is based of ubuntu and #debian dosen't support any of those in here .. mrdebuntu i've tried crunchbang .. i want to install a os that actually has a user base that actually talk / want to help people |
| 04:27.31 | joeb_ | :D |
| 04:27.47 | mrdebuntu | yeah |
| 04:27.53 | mrdebuntu | either of those will work. they all use debs |
| 04:28.17 | joeb_ | yea |
| 04:28.28 | joeb_ | but you gt flamed asking another distro question in debian |
| 04:28.45 | mrdebuntu | understood |
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| 04:31.29 | Diytto | I am writing a script. How can i write a line that does cd to the current directory the script is in? |
| 04:31.45 | Diytto | (bash script) |
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| 04:33.51 | joeb_ | #bash ? |
| 04:34.29 | Diytto | ._. |
| 04:35.09 | joeb_ | next time you see me i should be on debian |
| 04:36.30 | gnarface | Diytto: did you try "cd ." ? |
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| 04:36.55 | Diytto | gnarface: Didnt even think of that |
| 04:36.56 | Diytto | Lol |
| 04:36.58 | Diytto | :p |
| 04:36.58 | Diytto | Thx |
| 04:38.04 | gnarface | Diytto: i honestly thought that's where bash scripts start by default though... but i always explicitly code full paths into my own bash scripts so i really don't know for sure. #bash would be of more use also relevant:http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/ (and probably the bash man pages on your install too) |
| 04:38.30 | Diytto | Kk |
| 04:38.31 | Diytto | Thx |
| 04:38.38 | kevin01123 | Wait. So is it okay to git clone as root into /usr/local/src, or is that a no no? |
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| 04:43.11 | gnarface | kevin01123: though i usually use ~/src or /usr/src i think /usr/local/src probably IS the more proper place - but since you're so serious about doing it the proper way why don't you browse through the policy manual? http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ all your questions about the intended use of different major directories are there and i'd have to read through it myself to answer your question |
| 04:44.19 | gnarface | kevin01123: i forget which section but there is one specifically that has a short list of the major ones ... you don't have to read the whole thing, you just have to find that section |
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| 04:46.19 | kevin01123 | gnarface: Thank you. I didn't know such a thing existed. |
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| 04:49.30 | gnarface | kevin01123: np, many people don't. it is one of the enduring tragedies of our time |
| 04:50.16 | kevin01123 | lol |
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| 05:27.36 | electrypnose | how to install geforce 8400 gs on debian 6.0? |
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| 05:30.33 | DogBoy | having some trouble running mplayer |
| 05:31.14 | DogBoy | I guess there is a conflict between the debian-multimedia version and the debian one |
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| 05:43.06 | slie | are gnome and gtk different? I'm looking for nice themes and i don't understand |
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| 05:48.45 | bouchard | hi |
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| 05:50.54 | bouchard | you need to install firmwaer |
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| 05:51.50 | electrypnose | how? |
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| 05:58.51 | vsk_ram21 | problem with network manager in debian while creating a wifi network.. |
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| 06:00.17 | joeb_ | so im on debian :D |
| 06:01.11 | vsk_ram21 | i am using sid with xfce.. |
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| 06:05.58 | slie | /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults: Permission denied |
| 06:06.00 | slie | why am i getting this as root? |
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| 06:11.15 | solidrock | guys, how do i enable network interface under debian 6, i've upgraded my debian 5 to debian 6 any ideas tnx |
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| 06:12.35 | joeb_ | Question .. i need to install libdvdccs i see that it is not in squeeze .. do i can i install a sarge .deb ? |
| 06:13.07 | vsk_ram21 | solidrock:http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 06:13.34 | cahoot | !tell joeb about libdvdcss |
| 06:13.54 | joeb_ | you forgot _ |
| 06:14.02 | joeb_ | !tell joeb_ libdvdccs |
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| 06:14.33 | cahoot | !tell joeb_ about libdvdcss |
| 06:14.55 | cahoot | joeb_: check your spelling |
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| 06:17.46 | solidrock | tnx for the link vsk_ram21 |
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| 06:18.29 | vsk_ram21 | solidrock: ru using network manager? |
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| 06:18.58 | nvz | am I suddely in aol chat? |
| 06:19.03 | solidrock | i'm trying to setup the network over cli |
| 06:19.16 | nvz | oooo 1337ness |
| 06:19.17 | solidrock | in debian 6 we they don't have ifup parameter |
| 06:19.36 | solidrock | in debian 6 they don't have "ifdown or ifup " command line |
| 06:19.42 | nvz | o.O |
| 06:19.49 | vsk_ram21 | solidrock : which i/f do u wanna configure.? |
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| 06:20.06 | nvz | solidrock: uh.. yes there is ifdown and ifup |
| 06:20.31 | slie | anyone know how i can install this login theme in debian? |
| 06:21.21 | solidrock | i'm configuring my network over /etc/network/interfaces. unfortunately upon issuing command ifup eth0 the system has no respond on it |
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| 06:21.44 | nvz | slie: using gnome and gdm? |
| 06:21.47 | vsk_ram21 | slie: aptitude search theme |
| 06:22.26 | slie | i have a theme package but there are no options i gound some directories to put some stuff in but i think there might be an esier way |
| 06:22.38 | nvz | solidrock: that means it worked |
| 06:22.47 | vsk_ram21 | i have problem creating a new wifi network using network manager |
| 06:22.54 | nvz | slie: are you using GNOME and GDM? |
| 06:23.08 | slie | yes i have gdm3 |
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| 06:23.19 | nvz | vsk_ram21: use wicd not network manager.. its a piece of crap |
| 06:23.23 | slie | squeeze |
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| 06:23.38 | nvz | slie: and are you using GNOME? |
| 06:23.54 | joeb_ | mind helping me install libdvdcss .. i downloaded it via svn .. i see the libdvdcss directory .. there is no ./configure .. i do a make install / it says no rules to make .. the README syas to run ./configure --prefix=/usr that dosen't wrok eaither |
| 06:24.33 | slie | nvz, i thought gdm was gnome? but gnome is my desktop interface |
| 06:24.35 | nvz | joeb_: you know there is libdvdread4 right? |
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| 06:24.55 | joeb_ | nvz- its installed yes |
| 06:25.16 | nvz | slie: System > Administration > Login Window > Local -> Add |
| 06:26.09 | nvz | joeb_: well it provides the functionality of libdvdcss2 which is no longer in debian |
| 06:26.19 | joeb_ | hmm |
| 06:26.25 | slie | nvz, System>administration> login window has no options other then to change the default user login |
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| 06:27.28 | nvz | slie: oh right.. hold on.. |
| 06:28.13 | joeb_ | nvz- i always thought libdvdccs was very very seperate from livdvdnav .. i know libdvdnav can navigate the dvd .. livdvdccs cracks the encryption |
| 06:28.48 | nvz | joeb_: well now we just use libdvdread4 which does all that |
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| 06:30.10 | joeb_ | nvz- another thing .. does debian have a multimedia repo ? |
| 06:30.20 | joeb_ | i can't even find k9copy |
| 06:30.27 | joeb_ | i found a .deb |
| 06:30.30 | joeb_ | but just wondering |
| 06:31.10 | slie | nvz, okay |
| 06:31.14 | joeb_ | i found it |
| 06:31.18 | joeb_ | http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 06:31.19 | nvz | slie: /usr/share/gdm/greeter-config/20_debian |
| 06:31.25 | nvz | joeb_: correct |
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| 06:31.53 | nvz | slie: the old gdm setup had a way to change the theme |
| 06:32.53 | nvz | slie: now apparently it has to be done manually |
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| 06:34.39 | nvz | idk wth shit like this is in the new release when its less functional than the old stuff |
| 06:34.52 | nvz | for the average user anyhow |
| 06:35.09 | slie | nvz, so can i just put my file containing all of my stuff in this folder frome what i see it all points there? |
| 06:35.10 | nvz | there doesn't even seem to be a way to change session at the login anymore |
| 06:35.45 | slie | nvz, <ctrl> <alt> tty? |
| 06:35.55 | nvz | slie: make a subdirectory in /usr/share/themes/ and put it there |
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| 06:36.37 | slie | nvz, then change my 20_debian file to say the name? |
| 06:36.44 | nvz | slie: right |
| 06:36.58 | joeb_ | nvz- it needs a gpg key |
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| 06:37.13 | nvz | joeb_: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 06:37.17 | slie | nvz, thanks |
| 06:37.18 | nvz | joeb_: then apt-get update |
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| 06:37.59 | mrdebuntu | dist-upgrade |
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| 06:40.44 | slie | nvz, do you know if it's the exact file or just the folder containing these? for the 20_debian? |
| 06:41.13 | nvz | slie: no clue I figured seeing what was already in there would give you a clue. |
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| 06:42.08 | slie | okay well i'm a bunch closer :P |
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| 06:47.47 | skyion | Hi There, in /etc/network/interfaces specifying secondary ip addresses, has anyone ever experienced them being lost, they exist and then randomly disappear... |
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| 06:47.56 | skyion | where would be the best place to start looking? |
| 06:49.25 | skyion | I know the avahi-daemon is responsible for adding them... |
| 06:49.44 | skyion | but under what circumstance would it automatically remove them |
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| 06:52.33 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Does anybody know if amd64 systems were actually affected by the exim vulnerability end of 2010? Or did the NX bit prevent this? |
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| 06:59.45 | ElDiabolo | skyion, It might help to chmod u-w it. Anything trying to change it may log an error. |
| 07:00.47 | nvz | or if you wanna use static config, do it and don't allow-hotplug |
| 07:00.53 | nvz | -> sleep |
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| 07:13.43 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 07:14.01 | man_in_ltop | i'm getting an error "No protocol specified." when i try to run X apps in a 64bit schroot |
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| 07:21.05 | man_in_ltop | ok, fixed it |
| 07:21.21 | man_in_ltop | strace revealed it as an authentication issue caused by gdm3 |
| 07:21.29 | man_in_ltop | bind-mounting /var/run fixed it |
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| 07:35.56 | vsk_ram21 | nvz : thank u |
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| 07:38.15 | kevin01123 | Does anyone here have a copy of the stock /etc/group of a debian install? |
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| 07:38.47 | blackshirt | do you mean default install ? |
| 07:39.01 | kevin01123 | blackshirt: Yes. The /etc/group from a default install. |
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| 08:10.01 | naiv | is xorg.conf obsolete ? |
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| 08:15.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
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| 08:16.07 | naiv | after an upgrade I have no more keyboard or mouse in X, that's really annoying |
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| 08:19.26 | tarzeau | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'konqueror'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 08:21.06 | AthomIk | naiv: yes xorg autodetect is strange...... |
| 08:22.01 | AthomIk | have a ps2 keyboard and loose this, if i exit my X session return at the login but without keyboard... but no probleme with usb keyboard |
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| 08:23.33 | solidrock | guys how do i remove static route done by the webmin |
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| 08:24.23 | stockholm | webmin is evil |
| 08:24.36 | stockholm | route del ... |
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| 08:25.55 | naiv | but wtf my keyboard ins't working anymore, linux always need to break things |
| 08:26.34 | AthomIk | where i can see X drivers, because Xorg.0.log say can find kbd drivers, and a wanna force drivers with xorg.conf |
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| 08:27.47 | AthomIk | naif if you install graphic card drivers, xorg.conf is create, ATI or Nvidia |
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| 08:27.56 | naiv | I swear I ran "apt-get upgrade", but I can't call what I have now an improvement |
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| 08:29.16 | slie | would anyone use emerald over gnome? |
| 08:29.28 | man_in_ltop | aptiude install xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 08:29.54 | man_in_ltop | you may also want xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 08:29.57 | naiv | we should rename that command in "apt-get --force autodestruction" |
| 08:30.08 | AthomIk | man_in_ltop: thk, :D |
| 08:30.52 | AthomIk | naiv is dist-upgrade not work somethime, if you have a lot of paquets, backports etc |
| 08:31.12 | man_in_ltop | i glad i don't have to worry about that |
| 08:31.24 | Shadur | Hokay, time to find out if I got the steps to this netinst USB stick down right. |
| 08:31.24 | man_in_ltop | hugs sid |
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| 08:33.17 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I extract/mount a LVM VG backup? `file` shows this: new-fs dump file (little endian), This dump Thu Mar 10 07:15:02 2011, Previous dump Sun Mar 6 07:16:49 2011, Volume 1, Level 1, type: tape header, Label none, Filesystem /mnt/backup, Device /dev/mapper/vg-laikina, Host x345, Flags 3 |
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| 08:33.32 | naiv | I'm trying a dist-upgrade since I can't reinstall xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
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| 08:33.57 | joeb_ | i got a question with this debian install .. when i touch my mouse it goes to the other side of the screen .. i can click on something and then boom my mouse will be on the date .. any ideas ? |
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| 08:35.26 | AthomIk | i think force drivers with xorg.conf and kill autodetection is good |
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| 08:36.05 | joeb_ | AthomIk- that for me ? |
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| 08:36.57 | sylar | I tried to upgrade yesterday, and today gnome doesn't run (I had an interruption in the middle of one of the apt-get upgrade due to failed resume from standby) |
| 08:37.02 | sylar | what should I do now? |
| 08:37.06 | AthomIk | joeb_: for a lot of people i think |
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| 08:37.35 | Shadur | ... And that's a no. Didn't boot, didn't get a syslinux at all. |
| 08:37.36 | joeb_ | AthomIk- that helps with the mouse ? |
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| 08:38.26 | sylar | (I did 'dpkg --reconfigure -a' as was suggested by 'apt-get upgrade') |
| 08:38.38 | sylar | (but it didn't help) |
| 08:38.45 | sylar | (can't get into gui) |
| 08:38.56 | Michael_Behman | joeb_, Is your mouse really sensitive that if you get your finger close to it but without touching it, it moves? |
| 08:39.05 | hXm | hello, exists a nxplayer for iphone? |
| 08:39.41 | joeb_ | Michael_Behman- not really like right now im playing with the mouse then it will jump .. takes about 2 mis or so |
| 08:40.08 | Shadur | ... But given that the partition wasn't bootable to begin with, let's try that first instead. |
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| 08:41.20 | Michael_Behman | joeb_, hmm, I have no idea, but I had the high mouse sensitivity problem before and it got fixed with the kernel upgrades. |
| 08:41.45 | joeb_ | i just installed debian .. how do i update kernel .. apt-get dist-upgrade or what ? |
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| 08:41.56 | slie | anyone know how i can get my alias to change down a dir lok cd .. when i put alias n='cd ..' it changes to root |
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| 08:42.13 | ttiicc | what does the last number stand for in debian 6.0.0? I know we had version 5.0.8 earlier in Januari! |
| 08:42.35 | Michael_Behman | joeb_, well, yeah, but only if there's a new kernel in the repository. |
| 08:42.39 | ttiicc | is it like servicepack in windows? |
| 08:42.44 | Michael_Behman | which version do you currently have? |
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| 08:43.29 | hid3 | How I do restore a backup from LVM snapshot? |
| 08:43.42 | joeb_ | Michael_Behman- inux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:43.49 | joeb_ | s/inux/linux |
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| 08:44.25 | Michael_Behman | joeb_, Squeeze? |
| 08:44.37 | joeb_ | Michael_Behman- yes is that bad or good ? |
| 08:44.42 | joeb_ | Michael_Behman- should i install sid ? |
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| 08:46.47 | Michael_Behman | joeb_, OK, I'm not sure how to answer that :). If you're not willing to live with its - every once in a while - breakage, then don't. And I'm not even sure that the new kernel will fix your problem, it's different than what I had. |
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| 08:47.59 | xyan | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 08:48.01 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; wheezy: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.37+31 |
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| 08:50.22 | joeb_ | hmm |
| 08:50.26 | joeb_ | xyan- was that for me |
| 08:50.39 | joeb_ | thta kernel looks newer then mine |
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| 08:51.18 | jkno | I've got a clean install of squeeze. I am basically trying to set a static IP. (updated the /etc/network/interfaces file and the resolv.conf) I then restart the network and manually took the ifconfig eth0 down the bought it back up and ran dhclient. But for some reason it's still using the DHCP not the Static address |
| 08:51.27 | xyan | joeb_: why do you need the newer kernel? |
| 08:51.43 | joeb_ | xyan- dunno im just trying to fix this mouse issue .. its annoying |
| 08:51.59 | xyan | whats up with your mouse? |
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| 08:52.40 | ttiicc | anyone who knows the answer for my question which I asked 10 minutes ago |
| 08:52.58 | joeb_ | ok so say i put my mouse on something .. or im about to go to a menu .. my mouse shoots across the screen to the right side .. |
| 08:53.36 | joeb_ | xyan- its jerky |
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| 08:54.30 | xyan | joeb_: did you try another mouse? |
| 08:54.37 | joeb_ | xyan- its touchpad |
| 08:55.13 | xyan | joeb_: configure it proper |
| 08:55.14 | xyan | man synclient |
| 08:55.23 | xyan | i dont think thats a kernel issue at all |
| 08:55.29 | joeb_ | xyan- most distros it just works |
| 08:55.31 | joeb_ | wierd |
| 08:55.36 | slie | anyone know how i can get my alias to change down a dir lok cd .. when i put alias n='cd ..' it changes to root |
| 08:55.38 | Shadur | ... Setting the USB partition to bootable solved that problem, but the graphical boot is crashing because it can't find the intel video module. |
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| 08:56.05 | xyan | joeb_: compare the configuration with a working dist with yours then |
| 08:56.50 | MondoBizzarro | ttiicc: it more like vista -> win 7. http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 08:58.08 | joeb_ | omg this mouse |
| 08:58.15 | joeb_ | mouse/cursor |
| 08:58.29 | ttiicc | MondoBizzarro: no I meant the last number which earlier was 8 and now is zero |
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| 09:00.17 | slie | is there a theme amanager for for squeeze |
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| 09:00.43 | xyan | ttiicc: its the number of the pointrelease |
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| 09:01.10 | ttiicc | xyan: pointrelease what does that mean |
| 09:02.06 | MondoBizzarro | ttiicc: ok, this are 'update releases' with included security updates e.g: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110122 |
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| 09:02.18 | xyan | ttiicc: whenver stable gets an important update a new pointrelease happens |
| 09:02.32 | themill | !point release |
| 09:02.32 | dpkg | Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". For Etch and prior, these were known as "4.0rX" but from Lenny onwards they are called "5.0.X" etc. See <5.0.8>, <4.0r9>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases |
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| 09:07.55 | slie | is there a theme amanager for for squeeze |
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| 09:10.31 | ttiicc | ok so it's like servicepack for windows. In which pointrelease would you guys recommend that I should update my live server from 5.0.8 to 6.0.x version? |
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| 09:18.15 | xyan | ttiicc: 6.0.x is a whole new release /msg dpkg squeeze |
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| 09:18.50 | davidjp | Hello |
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| 09:18.55 | MondoBizzarro | ttiicc: 5.0.8 is ok please read: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:19.15 | davidjp | I have a lot of packages starting with rc when I do dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
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| 09:20.08 | davidjp | How can I remove them safely ? |
| 09:20.09 | Bhavicp | Hi, I've added a second IP to my file at /etc/network/interfaces, however it doesn't seem to autostart on boot, how would i go about this? |
| 09:20.09 | project2501a | good morning #debian |
| 09:20.09 | Bhavicp | (eth0:0) |
| 09:20.09 | project2501a | Bhavicp: what do you mean, autostart? |
| 09:20.18 | Bhavicp | like, i have to manually do ifup eth0:0 |
| 09:20.19 | Bhavicp | once booted. |
| 09:20.33 | petemc | Bhavicp: add the interface name to the auto line |
| 09:20.40 | project2501a | that, too |
| 09:20.53 | Bhavicp | Ahh, the top? |
| 09:20.56 | project2501a | ya |
| 09:21.00 | project2501a | that's what "auto" means |
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| 09:21.08 | project2501a | 'bring up the interface automatically' |
| 09:21.13 | Bhavicp | Ah, i had it on another line, near the bottom of the file. |
| 09:21.18 | project2501a | harder. faster. better. stronger. |
| 09:21.24 | xyan | davidjp: dpkg -l|grep ^rc|xargs aptitude purge -y |
| 09:21.27 | jkno | How can I find out in squeeze what is managing the network config? network-manager doesn't seem to be installed off a clean install |
| 09:21.28 | project2501a | Debian. I'm just sayin' |
| 09:21.40 | xyan | davidjp: bakup any configs you think you might need again |
| 09:21.59 | project2501a | jkno: pd auxwww | grep -i dhcp |
| 09:22.08 | project2501a | jkno: pd auxww | grep -i dhcp |
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| 09:22.42 | xyan | davidjp: erm should be dpkg -l|grep ^rc|cut -d" " -f3|xargs aptitude purge -y |
| 09:22.50 | solidrock | having hard time to configure my network interface on debian squeeze |
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| 09:23.07 | davidjp | xyan thank you |
| 09:23.13 | project2501a | solidrock: what's. up. what is the issue? |
| 09:23.27 | project2501a | man i am full of caffeine |
| 09:23.33 | solidrock | there is no ifup eth0 or even ifdown eth0. I've follow the suggested link and still the issue still there |
| 09:23.42 | jkno | solidrock: that makes 2 of us. Never thought setting a static ip would be such a big issue |
| 09:24.14 | project2501a | solidrock: did you check inside /etc/network/ ? |
| 09:24.28 | solidrock | yes, i've added the address on /etc/network/interface |
| 09:24.38 | xyan | pastebin the file |
| 09:24.45 | project2501a | what xyan said |
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| 09:25.21 | davidjp | How do I set up automatic dhcp at boot ? |
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| 09:25.53 | niklaswe | davidjp: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:26.07 | project2501a | davidjp: install dhclient3 , man interfaces |
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| 09:26.29 | niklaswe | with iface <interface> inet dhcp |
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| 09:27.39 | jkno | project2501a: Does anything look out of place with this configuration for some reason my install is still using DHCP http://pastebin.com/3z66cdmb |
| 09:27.52 | davidjp | auto eth0 \iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 09:27.55 | davidjp | thank you. |
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| 09:28.39 | project2501a | jkno: yes, you need to remove those : |
| 09:28.53 | project2501a | jkno: man interfaces please |
| 09:29.10 | project2501a | not to mention you are not defining eth0 |
| 09:29.16 | project2501a | oh you are |
| 09:29.21 | project2501a | sorry, my bad. too much coffee |
| 09:29.36 | linux_probe | takes away project's coffee |
| 09:29.41 | jkno | project2501a: man intferfaces? (sorry bit of an idiot at this) |
| 09:29.41 | linux_probe | no moe for you sir |
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| 09:29.59 | xyan | lol |
| 09:30.01 | project2501a | jkno: yes, please. the man page for interfaces is very well put together |
| 09:30.05 | project2501a | rmmod coffee |
| 09:30.30 | project2501a | linux_probe: i am playing prodigy's "no good at the same time" :D |
| 09:30.41 | linux_probe | rmmod coffee-pot |
| 09:30.41 | project2501a | woooo typing at lightspeed |
| 09:30.46 | xyan | ERROR: Module coffee is in use by module brain |
| 09:30.55 | jkno | project2501a: I spent most of yesterday reading the interfaces manual ended up getting confused as hell with the changes from lenny (facepalm on the ":") |
| 09:31.41 | project2501a | jkno: i have not read the man page for interfaces in squeeze, but i figure it is highly unlikely that it changed form lenny. |
| 09:31.55 | project2501a | it would be valgrind all over again. |
| 09:32.10 | project2501a | someone would need to be brucified, taken in the back and shot. |
| 09:32.17 | project2501a | be shot, even. |
| 09:32.29 | man_in_ltop | turned into bruce? |
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| 09:32.53 | project2501a | no, brucified. as in bruce sterling of freebsd fame. |
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| 09:33.18 | man_in_ltop | oh |
| 09:33.24 | man_in_ltop | i was thinking more bruce almighty |
| 09:33.38 | man_in_ltop | where a random jerk gets turned into god |
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| 09:33.51 | project2501a | no, brucified in freebsd-kernel has a very specific meaning |
| 09:34.22 | man_in_ltop | i prefer my interpretation |
| 09:34.49 | davidjp | how to set up the time ? |
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| 09:35.03 | man_in_ltop | davidjp, date -s? |
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| 09:35.46 | davidjp | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.47 | project2501a | davidjp: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 09:35.47 | project2501a | as root |
| 09:35.47 | xyan | tzselect! |
| 09:35.55 | davidjp | but how to set up the date. |
| 09:36.01 | davidjp | Europe/Paris is UTC+1 I think. |
| 09:36.05 | davidjp | I'm still in UTC. |
| 09:36.12 | project2501a | spain? |
| 09:36.18 | AthomIk | why X can use correctly my ps2 keyboard....... |
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| 09:36.26 | davidjp | How could I start up ntpd automatically at boot ? |
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| 09:36.39 | man_in_ltop | davidjp, install it; the package does that by default |
| 09:36.43 | man_in_ltop | aptitude install ntp |
| 09:36.58 | \share | yep install |
| 09:36.59 | davidjp | but I do not see it in the pstree. |
| 09:37.15 | davidjp | wrong : I just saw it. |
| 09:37.17 | davidjp | It's ok. |
| 09:37.52 | davidjp | But there is a problem like the system thinks I'm in UTC clock on the computer or UTC clock on the system, something gets wrong. |
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| 09:38.10 | \share | hello |
| 09:38.16 | \share | is this ubuntu's father channeL? |
| 09:38.33 | Dewi | davidjp: cat /etc/timezone |
| 09:38.37 | davidjp | \share: What is UTC : 8h38 ? |
| 09:38.38 | Dewi | davidjp: is that your timezone? |
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| 09:39.04 | Dewi | davidjp: no, utc is 9:38 |
| 09:39.05 | man_in_ltop | \share, in the same way that #winehq is #cedega's father channel, or freenode is the father network of oftc, or that an apple is the father of a pear, yes |
| 09:39.06 | davidjp | I typed tzselect. It says me that UTC is 8h38. |
| 09:39.07 | \share | davidjp: if you are from france is 10.39 |
| 09:39.23 | jeybop | hi, I am looking for static photo gallery generator, managing folders as sub albums, and with theme management |
| 09:39.26 | davidjp | \share: exactly, but my system keeps saying that it's 9h38. |
| 09:39.34 | \share | davidjp: choose +2 gmt |
| 09:39.37 | man_in_ltop | davidjp, you're not passing -u to date, are you? :) |
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| 09:39.53 | man_in_ltop | also, date -u tells me current utc is 9:39 |
| 09:40.02 | davidjp | So it seems that There is a confusion somewhere between utc and utc+1. |
| 09:40.08 | jeybop | it seems that sub album is not widely available |
| 09:40.08 | davidjp | I think this is the matter. |
| 09:40.19 | Dewi | davidjp: what does date -u say? |
| 09:41.08 | davidjp | jeudi 10 mars 2011, 08:41:03 (UTC+0000 |
| 09:41.30 | man_in_ltop | davidjp, so ... your clock is an hour slow? :) |
| 09:41.48 | jkno | project2501a: the manual refers to network-manager and network/interface as legacy: I understand the whole configuring the network/interfaces and the resolv.conf but something else seems to be running instead of network/interfaces and network manager doesn't seem to be installed |
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| 09:42.36 | Dewi | davidjp: it sounds like 1) your clock is 1 hour slow and 2) your timezone is +1 when it should be +2 ? |
| 09:42.47 | davidjp | Europe/Paris is +1 |
| 09:42.47 | man_in_ltop | davidjp, maybe double-check it with ntpdate-debian (from ntpdate package) |
| 09:42.53 | Dewi | davidjp: oh, my apologies |
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| 09:43.32 | \share | oh ok davidjp |
| 09:43.36 | \share | so the time is right. |
| 09:43.38 | Dewi | davidjp: ntpd runs gradually and corrects small changes. To fix a difference as big as 1 hr, stop ntpd and run ntpdate |
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| 09:44.12 | gynter | any clues, why dpkg-reconfigure locales hangs when generating locales for any UTF-8 locale (if I remove all UTF-8 locales, then it finishes correctly). It just hangs without any error. ^C cancels the configuration process. |
| 09:44.46 | gynter | locales version is 2.11.2-10 |
| 09:44.59 | Dewi | davidjp: sudo /etc/init.d/ntp stop ; sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org ; sudo /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 09:45.34 | davidjp | ok fixed. Thank you. |
| 09:45.38 | \share | wait |
| 09:45.49 | davidjp | ntpdate-debian fixed it after I killed ntpdate. |
| 09:45.52 | \share | ntpdate[20212]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 09:46.25 | man_in_ltop | \share, you should run ntpdate-debian instead of ntpdate |
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| 09:46.36 | \share | im o ubuntu |
| 09:46.39 | \share | on |
| 09:46.48 | man_in_ltop | then go bitch to #ubuntu |
| 09:47.01 | \share | man_in_ltop: shut up |
| 09:47.04 | Dewi | why aren't people smart enough to keep quiet about that |
| 09:47.09 | \share | or i will slap you |
| 09:47.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | *snort* |
| 09:47.26 | linux_probe | loool |
| 09:47.27 | Dewi | pfft, \share, you're breaking the rules. I don't actually care, but don't advertise it |
| 09:47.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm scared *cough* |
| 09:47.38 | man_in_ltop | oh you should be, Kamping_Kaiser |
| 09:47.45 | \share | hurts man_in_ltop with a suspicious brick |
| 09:47.51 | man_in_ltop | \share, will get the INTERNET POLICE on to us |
| 09:47.53 | \share | slaps man_in_ltop around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:47.53 | Zyferus | slaps share around a bit with a large man_in_ltop |
| 09:47.53 | Zyferus | You don't like this script, don't use the generic troutslaps! Simple as that! |
| 09:47.59 | \share | slaps man_in_ltop around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:48.00 | Zyferus | slaps share around a bit with a large man_in_ltop |
| 09:48.00 | Zyferus | You don't like this script, don't use the generic troutslaps! Simple as that! |
| 09:48.01 | linux_probe | howls |
| 09:48.02 | \share | lololol. |
| 09:48.17 | man_in_ltop | hugs Zyferus |
| 09:48.25 | \share | slaps Zyferus around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:48.25 | Zyferus | slaps share around a bit with a large Zyferus |
| 09:48.25 | Zyferus | You don't like this script, don't use the generic troutslaps! Simple as that! |
| 09:48.31 | \share | funny |
| 09:48.52 | man_in_ltop | someone should write a script that if someone does that enough times they get a badn |
| 09:48.54 | man_in_ltop | *ban |
| 09:48.54 | babilen | \share, Zyferus, linux_probe: Stop it please. This is not helpful at all. \share you are using ubuntu and this is not the right channel for you. Please ask your questions in #ubuntu, thank you. |
| 09:48.59 | \share | lol |
| 09:49.12 | \share | babilen: but this is ubuntu's father channel |
| 09:49.20 | man_in_ltop | what did linux_probe do? |
| 09:49.21 | linux_probe | i get yelled at for laughing at them being morons? |
| 09:49.24 | babilen | \share: Ubuntu is not supported in here. |
| 09:49.24 | linux_probe | how nice |
| 09:49.33 | man_in_ltop | \share, in the same way that an APPLE is the father of a PEAR |
| 09:49.58 | babilen | linux_probe: I am not aware that I yelled at you. |
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| 09:50.09 | \share | 999 users |
| 09:50.09 | man_in_ltop | point: |
| 09:50.10 | man_in_ltop | <man_in_ltop> \share, you should run ntpdate-debian instead of ntpdate <\share> im on ubuntu |
| 09:50.21 | \share | lol |
| 09:50.34 | \share | around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:50.42 | \share | slaps around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:50.48 | \share | k only action |
| 09:50.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | where are the ops when you need them :/ |
| 09:50.59 | babilen | \share: Play somewhere else. |
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| 09:51.19 | \share | is scared |
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| 09:51.41 | \share | father bans the son |
| 09:52.09 | Dewi | \share: yes, adults here. Run along. |
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| 09:52.22 | man_in_ltop | just like abraham did to isaac in the old testament |
| 09:52.29 | \share | Dewi: i am 69 years old |
| 09:52.32 | \share | dont make jokes |
| 09:52.39 | jkno | Found the issue simply needed to ifup eth0 to bring up /etc/network/interfaces hopefully it will stick :S |
| 09:53.11 | man_in_ltop | i smell a typo. still, \share is a pretty good communicator for a 6-year-old |
| 09:53.18 | babilen | jkno: If you want that to happen automatically during the boot, make sure you have "auto eth0" in your /e/n/i |
| 09:53.48 | kazoo | Hello, i have a computer with a broken screen and i want to install debian via ssh, and i was wondering will it send it to an ip like 192.168.381.29 or 192.168.1.* |
| 09:54.16 | man_in_ltop | kazoo, do you have a dhcp server? |
| 09:54.22 | jkno | babilen: does it need to be anywhere specific or just in the file? |
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| 09:54.35 | ov3rmind | i am looking for debian beowulf project but the link to install and admin guide on official page has broken, anyone have any tip off any site with explain more about debian beowulf use and admin... thks |
| 09:54.37 | kazoo | yes |
| 09:54.41 | Dewi | kazoo: probably wherever you configure it |
| 09:54.46 | man_in_ltop | kazoo, ask the dhcp server what ip it gets |
| 09:55.06 | babilen | jkno: I typically plave it at the top of the file, but it doesn't really matter. |
| 09:55.08 | kazoo | i think.. |
| 09:55.27 | Dewi | !sshinstall |
| 09:55.27 | dpkg | well, ssh install is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
| 09:55.29 | babilen | jkno: One could also place it with the eth0 interface definition |
| 09:56.14 | Dewi | jkno: by default it appears before each iface definition |
| 09:56.14 | jkno | babilen: thanks much appreciated |
| 09:56.38 | babilen | jkno: You are welcome. "man 5 interfaces" might be of interest :) |
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| 09:57.22 | Dewi | well how about that. |
| 09:57.30 | kazoo | :/ |
| 09:57.35 | jkno | babilen: spent hours in that page. It's just desiphering it and not using any of the wrong bits I'm working with. Nothing like trial and error |
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| 09:57.56 | kazoo | i'm not going to be able to install it if i can't set a password, when i can't see when that comes up.. |
| 09:58.07 | ttiicc | I wonder when I should do a distro upgrade for my server which is running debian 5. Wonder if I could jump stright on 6.0.0 or if I should wait for pointrelease 6.0.1? any recommendations for liver servers? |
| 09:58.10 | babilen | jkno: Ok. The Debian reference might also be worth a look. Or just ask in here if something is unclear. |
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| 09:58.37 | Dewi | kazoo: in the first paragraph it refers you to 4.6 automatic installation |
| 09:58.50 | jkno | babilen: I like to work things out myself but after 6 hours of messing things up I thought it better to ask |
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| 09:59.37 | Dewi | jkno: it's why we're here |
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| 09:59.44 | babilen | ttiicc: Given that the point release will happen this weekend you'll probably go for that anyway. That being said: It doesn't really matter, you want to upgrade to Squeeze in the next months. The migration process is detailed in the release notes. -- /msg dpkg release notes -- Read (at least!) "What's new in Squeeze" and follow chapter 4. |
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| 10:00.46 | kazoo | !automaticinstall |
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| 10:01.10 | babilen | ttiicc: Ah, sorry. The point release is planned for 19th of March. |
| 10:01.21 | Dewi | ttiicc: recommendation - do it on a staging server first, or a VM |
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| 10:01.26 | fayas | hi |
| 10:01.37 | Dewi | ttiicc: it should be fine tho |
| 10:02.20 | fayas | Can anybody help me get a working debian lenny repository? |
| 10:02.32 | ttiicc | babilen: Im wondering if the pointreleases has smomething todo with usage for live production servers |
| 10:02.54 | fayas | I performed a CDROM install and can't install cmake. |
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| 10:03.57 | ttiicc | like the new Squeeze release would be safe for live servers once point release is 2, or if it's stable enough right away when the stable version with pointrelease 0 is out for download |
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| 10:05.25 | babilen | ttiicc: It is stable enough. It wouldn't have been released as stable otherwise. |
| 10:06.02 | ttiicc | ok so the pointreleases are only for downloading a new image and nothing elese really? |
| 10:06.21 | babilen | ttiicc: Note that Debian's understanding of stable might differ from yours though -- /msg dpkg stable -- But squeeze is also stable in the sense of "safe to run without causing mayhem or nurturing dragons" |
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| 10:07.15 | babilen | ttiicc: You just run "aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade" to update your server. |
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| 10:07.27 | ttiicc | babilen: was my last declaration about pointreleases right? |
| 10:07.30 | babilen | !tell ttiicc -about 6.0.1 |
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| 10:08.08 | babilen | ttiicc: You don't have to download an image or anyhting. You install a couple of upgraded packages with aptitude, that's it. |
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| 10:09.05 | ttiicc | yes but the increase of pointrelease number is just so that you know that the stable image is updated when you download it? |
| 10:09.28 | ttiicc | so you don't need to do alot of upgrades after the installation |
| 10:09.34 | ttiicc | right or wrong? |
| 10:09.35 | babilen | it is meant to distinguish between 6.0.0 and 6.0.1, yes |
| 10:09.47 | babilen | right |
| 10:10.04 | gynter | If I do manually: localedef -i /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_US -c -f UTF-8 -A /usr/share/locale/locale.alias en_US.UTF-8 then the result is same. It just hangs. |
| 10:10.18 | ttiicc | babilen: ok so it's more or less tagging the stable image, nothing more then that! |
| 10:10.26 | babilen | You can upgrade in place. Just like you can upgrade from lenny to squeeze or install security updates. |
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| 10:10.37 | ttiicc | ahh ok thanks then I know |
| 10:11.03 | ttiicc | the pointreleases are included when you do aptitude upgrade, right? |
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| 10:11.11 | babilen | ttiicc: sure |
| 10:11.20 | ttiicc | and that was my last question about pointreleases |
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| 10:11.33 | ttiicc | thank you for your time! |
| 10:12.05 | babilen | ttiicc: wonderful. Just to emphasize it again: Please follow the release notes during your upgrade process from lenny to squeeze. You have to be a aware of a couple of things and they are all explained in there. |
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| 10:12.17 | babilen | ttiicc: You are most welcome. May you have a nice day! |
| 10:12.22 | AthomIk | hello babilen :) |
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| 10:12.29 | babilen | AthomIk: o/ |
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| 10:15.15 | AthomIk | huummm now X use my joystick for mouse, before no..... |
| 10:15.46 | AthomIk | babilen: X autodetection is not really perfect..... |
| 10:15.58 | babilen | !tell AthomIk -about xorg.conf.d |
| 10:17.04 | AthomIk | babilen: quicky solution, nice !!! |
| 10:17.07 | babilen | AthomIk: Help it if the need is there. But note that a lot of things can be configured using the settings in Gnome, Kde, LXDE, ... or with, for example, gpointing-device-settings or so. That shouldn't prevent you to place a little Joystick snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d though |
| 10:18.00 | AthomIk | babilen: yes i have great keyboard problem, i see you response |
| 10:19.16 | AthomIk | at this time my numeric at the right of the keyboard don't work |
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| 10:20.09 | babilen | AthomIk: Give me a second, i'll be back later. You might want to ask about your keyboard in here. You can configure it in gnome (system â preferences â keyboard IIRC). gdm3 eats a couple of the settings you can set with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" #590534, but I don't know if that is your problem. |
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| 10:21.21 | project2501a | hey guys, what is the name for the item you put a hot-plug drive in? |
| 10:21.23 | project2501a | sleigh? |
| 10:21.27 | project2501a | cartridge? |
| 10:21.27 | babilen | AthomIk: I would first run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and spend some time in the gnome keyboard configuration dialogue. Make sure that you have the correct keyboard specified. You might also have a way to enable/disable the numpad |
| 10:21.28 | project2501a | bay? |
| 10:21.32 | ethanol | bay |
| 10:21.33 | project2501a | brain is not working, again |
| 10:21.33 | ethanol | tray |
| 10:21.36 | project2501a | tray! |
| 10:21.57 | ethanol | slot too, kinda generic |
| 10:22.04 | project2501a | tray works |
| 10:22.11 | babilen | project2501a: Interactive thesauri is pleased to have helped. :) |
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| 10:23.33 | AthomIk | babilen: thk i test rgb.txt xorg.conf xorg.conf_FF_OK xorg.conf.original-0 Xsession |
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| 10:24.13 | project2501a | babilen: <3 #debian |
| 10:24.46 | gucki | hi. i just installed sqeeze and aufs-tools, but cant get an aufs mount to work. i always get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock". my cmd is real simple: "mount -v -t aufs br:/a:/b /c" |
| 10:24.59 | gucki | i meant squeeze ;) |
| 10:26.11 | AthomIk | ok now i test my new X ..... but when i restart X before i loose my keyboard, only Alt+printscreen+b..... |
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| 10:27.40 | jae | $HOSTER just added IPv6 (yay).... now, it appears to be a /64 (according to the management IF) but $HOSTER claimsI have ~1e6 addresses. That's make it a /108. Does this make sense? |
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| 10:28.06 | gucki | some hints anyone? :) |
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| 10:28.57 | project2501a | wtf |
| 10:29.01 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:29.05 | project2501a | oh yeah, ipv6 |
| 10:29.18 | project2501a | man, i don't think i will ever get used to ipv6 |
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| 10:34.50 | AthomIk | well i must hack my x, because a this time, my X is egual windows 95 :( |
| 10:35.05 | AthomIk | is microsoft participate to dev xorg :D ? |
| 10:35.30 | Zao | AthomIk: There's so much wrong about your sentences. |
| 10:36.31 | ethanol | can you call them sentences? |
| 10:36.52 | aguitel | is anyway to install debian withouth grub ? |
| 10:36.57 | casts | one thing i've learned, is don't listen to ethanol |
| 10:37.05 | casts | aguitel: yes. |
| 10:37.08 | Zao | ethanol: I'm an optimist. |
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| 10:38.50 | aguitel | casts, in what step can i do that |
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| 10:39.20 | casts | aguitel: use debootstrap |
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| 10:39.22 | AthomIk | erf my keyboard is ok in console, not in X |
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| 10:41.30 | AthomIk | humm is not X, it s gnome... |
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| 10:43.59 | AthomIk | I have to watch the chicken in the oven :D |
| 10:44.06 | babilen | AthomIk: Yes, please configure your keyboard in the gnome keyboard preferences. |
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| 10:44.32 | AthomIk | babilen: this is ok |
| 10:45.16 | AthomIk | babilen: nvidia drivers add some options for keyboard or mouse, no ? |
| 10:45.58 | babilen | AthomIk: That would surprise me. |
| 10:46.14 | AthomIk | i look this in Xorg.0.log (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled |
| 10:46.22 | AthomIk | was is das :D |
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| 10:47.49 | streuner_ | crap |
| 10:47.52 | AthomIk | yes if y disable autodedect in xorg.conf, i haven't keyboard with kdb drivers..... |
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| 10:48.42 | AthomIk | this morning i use Alt+printscreen+b my vm no like this :( |
| 10:49.11 | streuner_ | Do you use the driver of nividia.org? |
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| 10:49.30 | streuner_ | s/nvidia.org/nvidia.com/ |
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| 10:52.04 | AthomIk | streuner_: yes |
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| 10:52.21 | AthomIk | because i use my tv hdmi for game |
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| 10:53.14 | AthomIk | and the bios boot come on TV :( |
| 10:53.37 | babilen | AthomIk: You installed the driver directly from nvidia.com or by using the appropriate debian package? |
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| 10:54.08 | AthomIk | babilen: i use nvidia drivers, not debian for graphics |
| 10:54.34 | AthomIk | babilen: debian package for nvidia is good for 3D ? |
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| 10:54.55 | babilen | !tell AthomIk -about nvidia |
| 10:55.13 | babilen | listkeys why nvidia installer sucks |
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| 10:55.29 | babilen | !tell AthomIk -about why nvidia installer sucks |
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| 10:56.09 | streuner_ | huges his mini-displayport |
| 10:56.14 | babilen | AthomIk: The driver from nvidia is packaged for debian. I would recommend the -dkms packages and avoid the ones from nvidia.com at all costs. |
| 10:57.04 | streuner_ | (no need for third-party drivers) |
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| 10:59.19 | fnordperfect | Hi! I have a 64bit system, and now want to run a closed-source game that is linked to 32bit SDL libraries. Do you know of a reliable repo for those? |
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| 10:59.56 | HaC|away | hi there |
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| 11:00.04 | HaC|away | does anybody know how the devices in /dev/mapper for dmcrypt on boot time are created ? |
| 11:00.16 | HaC|away | i tried to change the behaviour of /scripts/cryptroot script to first luksOpen another device... |
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| 11:00.27 | HaC|away | the device gets opened but never shows up in /dev/mapper |
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| 11:01.03 | babilen | fnordperfect: some libs are packaged in the ia32-* packages. Use apt-file to search for the ones you need. Running a 32bit chroot or VM is also an option. |
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| 11:03.40 | fnordperfect | babilen: yes, I looked at what is available as ia32-* and lib32-*. In the Ubuntu repos those lib23-sdl libraries are available, but apperently not in Debian |
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| 11:03.56 | franz007 | Hi all. Problem serving php pages over https on lenny. Followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 11:03.58 | franz007 | a2enmod ssl |
| 11:03.59 | franz007 | a2ensite default-ssl |
| 11:04.01 | franz007 | the page /var/www/index.php is blank over ssl connection. |
| 11:04.49 | babilen | franz007: You enabled php5 (a2enmod php5) ? |
| 11:05.34 | babilen | franz007: should that index.php script actually return something? What about index.html or other static html pages? |
| 11:05.34 | franz007 | I never did that, but php pages over non encrypted connections are served correctly. |
| 11:05.50 | franz007 | Static pages are fine |
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| 11:06.26 | babilen | franz007: Sorry, that more or less concludes my knowledge of PHP and its configuration in Debian. |
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| 11:06.59 | fnordperfect | would it be possible to cross-compile the libSDL-family for 32bit with something like dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 11:07.30 | franz007 | babilen: thanks anyway, I'll wait for someone else willing to help me. :-) |
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| 11:11.45 | devang | hi |
| 11:11.45 | babilen | fnordperfect: libSDL is packaged in ia32-libs -- which libraries are missing? |
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| 11:12.09 | anoob | does aptitude autoremove exist? |
| 11:12.10 | devang | I have some doubt related to network interface |
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| 11:13.04 | babilen | anoob: That is aptitude default behaviour |
| 11:13.10 | devang | If i m using interface eth0 with ip 192.x.x.x and I want to assign one more IP to same interface so how to do it |
| 11:13.33 | devang | I have used Ip alias for this but it's not working well |
| 11:13.41 | AthomIk | babilen: ok i must use nvidia debian package |
| 11:13.49 | AthomIk | but it s chicken time :D |
| 11:14.06 | babilen | devang: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html#_the_virtual_interface |
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| 11:14.52 | devang | hey I tried this option but when I activate the virtual interface my network goes down |
| 11:15.43 | anoob | babilen, but should i execute something? |
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| 11:16.07 | anoob | i've compiled a software and there are lots of packages that i don't need anymore |
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| 11:17.47 | devang | Hey wt is difference between secondary IP address given to same interface and IP alias |
| 11:17.48 | fnordperfect | babilen: all those extension libraries: libSDL_ttf and libSDL_image, ... |
| 11:18.09 | fnordperfect | I'm just looking into dpkg-buil[Cdpackage to compile these |
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| 11:18.31 | devang | bcoz my virtual IP interface is not working but using IP command I m able to add another address to same interface |
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| 11:19.09 | XEugenMayer | !debconf @XEugenMayer |
| 11:19.37 | XEugenMayer | !debconf |
| 11:19.37 | dpkg | [debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/ |
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| 11:24.44 | weedeater64 | Want to make sure, lshw first couple of lines give computer name 32 bits, below in *-cpu width: 64 bits \ |
| 11:25.35 | weedeater64 | /proc/cpu has lahf_lm at the end of flags entry. |
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| 11:25.51 | weedeater64 | This processor is 64 bit, right. |
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| 11:27.07 | weedeater64 | The uname -a only speaks to the current kernel, not the cpu right? |
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| 11:28.32 | Ticho_ | weedeater64: yes |
| 11:29.02 | Ticho_ | weedeater64: technically speaking, all userspace utilities are only speaking to the kernel :> |
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| 11:30.18 | daemonkeeper | Also, uname is no indication about the underlying CPU architecture. It is perfectly fine to install a x86 CPU on a AMD64 capable machine, uname would then display i686 (or whatever you enabled) then. |
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| 11:32.17 | weedeater64 | My lshw, and /proc/cpu results above do indicate a 64bit processor though, right? |
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| 11:33.42 | babilen | weedeater64: "grep lm /proc/cpuinfo" ? |
| 11:33.47 | Zao | weedeater64: The simplest approach is to find the name of the processor and check with the vendor. |
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| 11:34.33 | weedeater64 | lahf_lm |
| 11:34.40 | weedeater64 | in flags |
| 11:35.09 | weedeater64 | That is the teller, right? |
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| 11:35.37 | weedeater64 | And the width: 64 bit |
| 11:35.47 | weedeater64 | in lshw |
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| 11:36.43 | babilen | weedeater64: No, we are after the "lm" flag. |
| 11:36.49 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 11:36.52 | linux_probe | he's not back yet |
| 11:36.59 | babilen | linux_probe: I know :) |
| 11:37.02 | linux_probe | : |
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| 11:42.17 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 11:43.03 | MaxFrames | can you please tell me what would be the iptables rule for a debian-based NAT-router to forward a port to a broadcast address? |
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| 11:43.34 | ethanol | MaxFrames: #netfilter |
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| 11:50.21 | AthomIk | babilen: nvidia debian package = nvidia package for the 3d ? |
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| 11:53.34 | babilen | AthomIk: yes |
| 11:54.01 | babilen | AthomIk: The nvidia dkms factoid(s) have a wonderful one-liner to install and configure the drivers. |
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| 11:56.39 | MaxFrames | where does iptables log its activity by default in debian? can't find anything in /var/log/syslog |
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| 11:58.46 | Coudy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.47 | dutchfish | MaxFrames, messages but see http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/force-iptables-to-log-messages-to-a-different-log-file.html |
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| 12:00.15 | michelem | hello folks |
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| 12:00.24 | dutchfish | Coudy, isnt that handled in the config file of shorewall? |
| 12:00.47 | michelem | how can I tell which exact command is run by "ifup" for dhcp? |
| 12:00.48 | Coudy | dutchfish, ther is run at startup, but it isn't started |
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| 12:01.11 | michelem | because if I run udhcpc by hand it works, from ifup it fails |
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| 12:02.21 | dutchfish | Coudy, if this was an upgrade see the issues for /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf at http://www.shorewall.net/Install.htm |
| 12:03.28 | XEugenMayer | iam trying to use debconf for my package. I created that template according http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html, but on installation i dont get asked any questions |
| 12:03.41 | XEugenMayer | do i miss something specificaly? I created the template file in DEBIAN/template |
| 12:03.45 | XEugenMayer | *templates |
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| 12:05.29 | babilen | !tell XEugenMayer -about mentors |
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| 12:08.03 | XEugenMayer | babilen: babilen hmm did not recieve anything |
| 12:08.12 | XEugenMayer | !mentors |
| 12:08.12 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 12:08.30 | XEugenMayer | thank you babilen |
| 12:08.30 | rigved | !nmg |
| 12:08.30 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 12:08.35 | michelem | found in source. |
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| 12:08.58 | XEugenMayer | babilen: #debian-mentors is invite only |
| 12:09.05 | babilen | XEugenMayer, rigved: /msg dpkg $FACTOID -- Have fun |
| 12:09.24 | babilen | XEugenMayer: The channel is on irc.debian.org AKA irc.oftc.net not here on freenode. |
| 12:09.33 | XEugenMayer | i see |
| 12:09.41 | babilen | see you there :) |
| 12:09.46 | XEugenMayer | Moving over :) |
| 12:10.13 | rigved | babilen: oh i did that for XEugenMayer's benefit |
| 12:10.31 | babilen | rigved: Ah, sure. No worries :) |
| 12:10.57 | rigved | babilen: is that the channel for GSOC projects as well? |
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| 12:11.27 | rigved | i'll google |
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| 12:11.50 | babilen | rigved: That would be #debian-soc on OFTC |
| 12:12.02 | rigved | babilen: ahh. okk thanks |
| 12:12.35 | babilen | rigved: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2011 for more information on this years gsoc |
| 12:12.55 | rigved | babilen: checking it now... |
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| 12:17.44 | Coudy | dutchfish, it is upgrade from 4.0.6 to 4.4, I can't find solution, startup_enabled is YES in shorewall.conf |
| 12:19.59 | dutchfish | Coudy, have you tried Yes|yes not YES? |
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| 12:42.36 | xsergio | Hi, I've built a package from source, and now I'm installing it using apt... but when apt tries to configure it, it fails. But the package is working. How can I avoid apt trying to configure it? |
| 12:42.37 | CyL | Is there a way to force lvm to ignore the settings in lvm.conf? |
| 12:43.50 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes, I've tried Yes and YES and yes , but didn't help |
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| 12:47.31 | dutchfish | Coudy, is there anything in the log files that would give a clue? i am running out of options .... |
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| 12:48.11 | Coudy | dutchfish, no, nothing about start and stop shorewall at boottime, nithing in syslog or messages |
| 12:48.23 | cockroach | xsergio: the quick and dirty way would be to disable the package's post-install script (which is probably what's failing). or you could fix the package :) |
| 12:48.26 | Coudy | dutchfish, but I can run shorewall manually without problem |
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| 12:48.57 | dutchfish | Coudy, have you looked in /etc/default/shorewall ? |
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| 12:49.31 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes, and is enabled |
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| 12:50.17 | dutchfish | Coudy, and you are not running shorewall-lite? |
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| 12:51.14 | Coudy | dutchfish, no, shorewall 4.4.11.6-3 |
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| 12:52.09 | Coudy | dutchfish, in repository is other package shorewall-init which I don't have installed, should I install it ? |
| 12:52.23 | xsergio | cockroach, thanks |
| 12:52.34 | cockroach | xsergio: np |
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| 12:54.06 | dutchfish | Coudy, i believe not unless you want integration within networkmanager see: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/shorewall-init |
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| 12:55.05 | dutchfish | Coudy, are you network interfaces normal eth? |
| 12:55.16 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes, and they are up |
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| 12:56.00 | vick | Hello. I though something like cin >> x; int test[x]; is not allowed, and memory of dynamic size like that can only be allowed to be allocated on the heap.. However that compiles when i try it out... |
| 12:56.03 | dutchfish | Coudy, does /var/log/syslog say anyhting about failures of shorewall at boot time? |
| 12:56.35 | Coudy | dutchfish, no, nothing, shorewall just won't start, |
| 12:56.59 | Coudy | dutchfish, I'hev tried it to add startup with update-rc.d shorewall defaults but there is error |
| 12:57.18 | dutchfish | Coudy, i am beginning to suspect something about the changes in sysv, this is squeeze right? |
| 12:57.30 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes |
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| 12:58.39 | dutchfish | Coudy, http://www.shorewall.net/LennyToSqueeze.html |
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| 13:00.04 | Coudy | dutchfish, I have read this, but nothing about startup at boot |
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| 13:01.19 | dutchfish | Coudy, i thinking of this line in that link : "Users often complain that Shorewall fails to start at boot time because a VPN interface that is named as a masq SOURCE isn't up and configured during boot." |
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| 13:02.16 | dutchfish | Coudy, but that should have been logged i suppose |
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| 13:03.17 | Coudy | dutchfish, I don't have any VPN or tun interfaces, just eth0 and eth1 |
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| 13:03.37 | Coudy | dutchfish, are you running shorewall on debian squeeze ? |
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| 13:04.14 | dutchfish | Coudy, no, i am still on lenny with my shorewall |
| 13:04.29 | dutchfish | Coudy, i have touched it in ages |
| 13:04.35 | dutchfish | haven't* |
| 13:05.04 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes, me too, but now I can't start it on boot, |
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| 13:07.09 | dutchfish | Coudy, last q, do you have a file /etc/default/shorewall6 ? |
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| 13:07.46 | Coudy | dutchfish, I think no, because I'm not using ipv6, but I'll look, but now is server restarting... |
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| 13:08.49 | dutchfish | Coudy, i have a hunch that shorewall might get mixed up on ipv6, but thats a wild gues, you could try to disable it in the kernel to see what that brings if you don't use ipv6 |
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| 13:09.40 | dutchfish | Coudy, and do you have a stock squeeze kernel on that box? |
| 13:09.54 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes |
| 13:09.55 | dutchfish | Coudy, ie 2.6.32-5? |
| 13:10.01 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes |
| 13:10.10 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 13:12.52 | dutchfish | Coudy, is /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf present? (it shouldnt) |
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| 13:15.03 | niklaswe | hello, I using openafs and i have just read about this http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2168 and I using sqeeuze an the problem should be sloved in version 1.4.12.1+dfsg-4. but i have version 1.4.12.1+dfsg-3 installed, even when i running apt-get update and trying again i dont get the "new" version.. any idé about it. |
| 13:15.18 | Coudy | dutchfish, no shorewall6 in /etc/default and no local.conf |
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| 13:16.29 | Coudy | dutchfish, |
| 13:16.30 | Coudy | root@server:/etc/shorewall# update-rc.d shorewall defaults |
| 13:16.30 | Coudy | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 13:16.30 | Coudy | update-rc.d: warning: shorewall start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S) |
| 13:16.30 | Coudy | update-rc.d: warning: shorewall stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 6) |
| 13:16.30 | Coudy | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `shorewall' overwrites defaults (S). |
| 13:16.30 | GaLaXY_XZ | Hello, iḿ wondering is kde3 is still available in any third party repo for squeeze.. furthermore iḿ wondering if kde3 is coinstallable with kde4 without some hacking? |
| 13:16.30 | Coudy | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (S) of script `shorewall' overwrites defaults (0 6). |
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| 13:16.41 | dutchfish | Coudy, ok you can disable ipv6 like this on squeeze: open file /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf and set net.ipv6.bindv6only=0, then restart |
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| 13:18.03 | GaLaXY_XZ | kde3 has been my preferred d.e. incase i need a gui for years ;p |
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| 13:20.09 | Coudy | dutchfish, http://paste.jabbim.cz/5132 |
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| 13:21.56 | dutchfish | Coudy, its clearly dependecy booting that shorewall isnt able to handle correctly, you can however change dependecy booting |
| 13:22.09 | dutchfish | Coudy, i have to google it up a sec |
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| 13:24.27 | dutchfish | Coudy, the /etc/init.d/shorewall needs the right LSB fields; see http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot ; are you sure that the package maintainer file for this is installed, if unsure copy it out manually from the 4.4 package and place it, it could be that you still have the old /etc/init.d/shorewall file. |
| 13:25.08 | dutchfish | Coudy, if this is the correct file, congratulations, you have find a bug |
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| 13:26.17 | dutchfish | s/find/found |
| 13:26.29 | Coudy | dutchfish, yes, it is file from debian package |
| 13:26.42 | babilen | Coudy: Please compare your /etc/init.d/shorewall file to the one shipped in the package (get it with, for example, "dget shorewall", put it in a temp directory, run "dpkg -x shorewall*.deb ." and run "diff /etc/init.d/shorewall etc/init.d/shorewall") |
| 13:26.47 | Coudy | dutchfish, I'm going to download shorewall source and replace init.d file |
| 13:27.01 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 13:28.05 | joeb_ | ok now im here |
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| 13:29.06 | joeb_ | Question .. i just installed a fresh version of squeeze .. my mouse is very jerky .. i can hover over something and it jerks all the way to the right of the screen .. i can't even scrol up and down because sometimes it stays on the right side of the screen .. i have a laptop / touchpad .. any ideas ? |
| 13:29.47 | joeb_ | system > prefs >mouse did nothing |
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| 13:30.54 | Coudy | dutchfish, diff /tmp/shorewall (from shorewall_4.4.11.6-3_all.deb) /etc/init.d/shorewall > output is none, so files are identical |
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| 13:31.37 | dutchfish | Coudy, this could be a bug, could you pastebin the file? i can give it a shot .... or others could |
| 13:31.58 | Coudy | dutchfish, which file ? |
| 13:32.10 | dutchfish | Coudy, /etc/init.d/shorewall |
| 13:33.53 | Coudy | dutchfish, http://paste.jabbim.cz/5133 |
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| 13:39.37 | dutchfish | Coudy, i cant find open bug reports on it, except for shorewall-init that has one regards LSB, the file looks ok for me, but that does not mean a thing. |
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| 13:40.22 | dutchfish | Coudy, see for that http://piuparts.debian.org/sid/initdscript_lsb_header_issue.html |
| 13:40.28 | GaLaXY_XZ | I suppose i'll have to build kde3 from source in squeeze seeing there are no binaries available? |
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| 13:41.24 | babilen | !tell GaLaXY_XZ about trinity |
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| 13:41.36 | babilen | GaLaXY_XZ: But I would recommend to make peace with KDE4 |
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| 13:42.25 | joeb_ | can i build my touchpad source/package from source .. do you think that will help ? |
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| 13:43.10 | dutchfish | Coudy, this must be a bug, please report it with your latest log you did pastebin |
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| 13:43.50 | GaLaXY_XZ | babilen: trinity still has kde3? |
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| 13:45.50 | GaLaXY_XZ | babilen: I looked it up, thanks a lot ;p |
| 13:46.08 | ug768 | notebook install via syslinux usb stick,.. installer complains cd-rom "cannot be used for installation." Anyone seen this before? |
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| 13:52.30 | joeb_ | when does everyody start getting in ? |
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| 13:54.04 | fachrat | hi |
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| 13:54.28 | fachrat | is there an update guide? I only found an installation guide for 6.0 |
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| 13:55.19 | jelly | ug768: debian now has hybrid iso images, you can just dd'em onto an usb stick directly |
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| 13:55.24 | flo` | hi |
| 13:55.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell fachrat about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:56.08 | jelly | dpkg, tell fachrat about squeeze release notes |
| 13:56.15 | dutchfish | fachrat, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 13:56.18 | flo` | i'm looking for some simple tool which monitors which files are used and preloads them. |
| 13:56.48 | flo` | it would be cool if it could operate on a per-program-basis, but not neccessary |
| 13:57.34 | flo` | i know about readahead-fedora, but it cannot operate on a per-program-basis iirc |
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| 13:58.15 | gnugr | fachrat: also, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 13:59.23 | fachrat | thx, jelly dutchfish and gnugr ... I'll have a look |
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| 14:01.01 | fachrat | dutchfish, thats what I searching for |
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| 14:04.45 | bmint | I would like to download the package dependencies of a particular package. If I do apt-get install -d <pacakge> it will download the package deb file but how can I download the dependency debs for that package? |
| 14:05.09 | jkno | Is there an effective method to prevent php files on one site from accessing files from another site (include/require etc..) with mod_php on the same server or is this only viable using PHP-FastCGI? |
| 14:05.44 | justin_ | bmint: apt-zip or apt-move? |
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| 14:06.00 | justin_ | actually, just apt-zip i think |
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| 14:10.40 | Onryo | Hi guys. I need to patch a git program I pulled. How do I see what the hash of installed program? |
| 14:11.40 | cockroach | jkno: i think open_basedir should prevent that |
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| 14:12.10 | justin_ | Onryo: apt-get source program? |
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| 14:12.21 | Onryo | The patch info says "Patches produced against these FFmpeg hashes: git://git.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.git |
| 14:12.21 | Onryo | git-7d67a71" |
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| 14:13.27 | Onryo | justin no I cloned a program from git. Now I see there is a patch for that program but it only works for so-and-so hash |
| 14:13.47 | justin_ | Onryo: sounds like you should update the patch then |
| 14:14.14 | olri | Onryo: git checkout 7d67a71 |
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| 14:15.54 | jkno | cockroach: its been depreciated in PHP5.3 I don't think it was ever very effective. |
| 14:16.13 | Onryo | justin and olri I am going to include patching for a script I wrote for ffmpeg for VP8. I want to build in that into my script here. http://pastebin.com/sheBpCKe |
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| 14:16.41 | cockroach | jkno: hmm, sucks. it was quite efficient at making my life more complicated though :) |
| 14:16.47 | bmint | justin_: I don't think that will work for me bcause I don't have access to the usb or removable media on that server. Thanks though. |
| 14:17.53 | ug768 | jelly: sweet |
| 14:18.13 | jkno | cockroach: Looks like you have to either use fast-cgi or there is a module I read about but it's apparently alot slower than just using fast-cgi |
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| 14:19.39 | cockroach | jkno: sounds annoying. one of the things i used to like about php is that it's so much easier to get things working that with the alternatives. but of course full fill system access is not acceptable. |
| 14:19.44 | cockroach | s/fill/file/ |
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| 14:21.08 | jkno | cockroach: If the user apache is running under is fairly locked down I assume it would cover a few bases but cross site/dir issues can come into place |
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| 14:21.47 | jkno | cockroach: I don't mind so much with my own code but when you start installing apps such as wordpress they open up your system to a whole world of pain when a security flaw is found |
| 14:21.59 | crilly | I'm on a Debian 5 server and I'm trying to get vlan support working. I get an odd issue when trying to edit /proc/net/vlan/config - http://cl.ly/400T3m2V3F2Z2N2S240R - I need to be able to add some vlans so I can bring up subdevices (I have eth1.3, eth1.4, etc). |
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| 14:22.19 | cockroach | jkno: yes, i'm more worried about the cross site/dir issues than the rest (ok, maybe it shouldn't access /etc/passwd either, stupid users might have bad passwords) :) |
| 14:23.05 | jkno | cockroach: plesk manages to do something with the config but that may be basedir |
| 14:23.07 | cockroach | but with the averge php application being a pile of poorly-written crap i don't want it to read database passwords from all over my fs... |
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| 14:25.23 | Fossilet | I have a question regarding sort command. |
| 14:25.29 | jkno | cockroach: the problem with open source is everyone has access to the source so they can pick it to pieces and find easy ways in |
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| 14:27.01 | Ticho_ | cockroach: unless you're running some old unix, /etc/passwd doesn't contain passwords |
| 14:27.03 | cockroach | jkno: hmm, that might be true for small obscure projects - usually the advantage will be that everyone can send patches to fix the issues. of course when a project has very few users and is a collection of bad php files, nobody's going to do that :) |
| 14:27.11 | Flash_ | jkno that's also it's strength - you code better if you know that |
| 14:27.21 | uoods | Flash_ http://goo.gl/LEiWM |
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| 14:27.57 | jkno | Flash_: don't get me wrong I love open source but there's always going to be bugs/security holes especially with bit projects |
| 14:28.11 | Fossilet | http://paste.debian.net/110256/ |
| 14:28.19 | Ticho_ | like that's not a problem with closed source software |
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| 14:28.29 | Fossilet | As sort is to sort lines, why can it sort the output of ls? |
| 14:28.38 | Fossilet | of ls? |
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| 14:29.17 | Flash_ | yeah, there's arguements for and against both OSS and closed source |
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| 14:29.59 | Ticho_ | Fossilet: because output of ls consists of lines? |
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| 14:30.30 | Fossilet | Ticho_, see the link there. |
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| 14:31.12 | Fossilet | That's just one line separated by space. Why would sort sort it? |
| 14:31.16 | Fossilet | it? |
| 14:31.22 | Coudy | dutchfish, ok, I've tried to complete remove shorewall package with all config files, and then installed again, didn't help, so I'm going to fill a bug... thx for help |
| 14:31.46 | Flash_ | Fossilet, what's wrong with ls -lc ? |
| 14:32.25 | negge | I'm trying to bridge two ethernet interfaces but I can't get it to work the way I want it |
| 14:32.52 | Fossilet | Flash_, I am interesting in sort not the sorted output of ls. |
| 14:32.53 | negge | I want a bridge that uses interfaces eth0 and eth2. Eth0 is connected to the Internet so the bridge can get an IP using DHCP |
| 14:32.59 | Ticho_ | Fossilet: because ls prints stuff differently depending on where it goes |
| 14:33.02 | Fossilet | It is strange. |
| 14:33.02 | Flash_ | Fossilet, ok |
| 14:33.02 | Ticho_ | Fossilet: try ls | less |
| 14:33.09 | negge | the problem is that the eth0 interface itself becomes unusable after I bring up the bridge |
| 14:33.17 | negge | I'd like eth0 to get one IP and br0 to get another one |
| 14:33.21 | dutchfish | Coudy, ok, tho i could not help you to fix this, your welcome |
| 14:33.28 | justin_ | negge: no, that's not how bridges work |
| 14:33.47 | justin_ | negge: once you bridge them together you only have one interface |
| 14:33.51 | Fossilet | Flash_, in detail? |
| 14:33.56 | justin_ | you can add two ips using aliases, but you don't have two interfaces anymore |
| 14:33.57 | Fossilet | Ticho_, in detail? |
| 14:34.01 | negge | justin_: well yeah I know, but VMware seems to be able to do it for it's virtual machines |
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| 14:34.40 | negge | for example if I tell vmware to create a virtual interface that is bridged to eth0, my virtual machines can get an IP just like the host can |
| 14:34.45 | negge | but the eth0 interface stays untouched |
| 14:34.51 | Ticho_ | Fossilet: you do not see the difference between "ls ???" and "ls ??? | less" ? |
| 14:34.59 | Fossilet | Different for terminal or pipeline? |
| 14:35.02 | justin_ | negge: sometimes they bridge the interfaces and then rename the bridge back to eth0 |
| 14:35.02 | Fossilet | yes |
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| 14:35.27 | negge | justin_: hmm okay. I did get the bridge to work but it totally screws up my iptables rules |
| 14:35.28 | justin_ | xen used to do that.. they would rename eth0 to peth0, then create a bridge called eth0 |
| 14:35.32 | Fossilet | Is than ls's temper or bash's? |
| 14:35.37 | Fossilet | s/than/that |
| 14:35.52 | negge | justin_: I think VMware does it in a different way |
| 14:35.54 | Ticho_ | Fossilet: ls's |
| 14:36.04 | negge | guess I'll just have to edit my iptables rules then |
| 14:36.43 | Fossilet | Ticho_, thanks. |
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| 14:41.47 | tarabaz | hi all - i have problem with mta poor reputation? few domains complains about it. my domain and ip is not on any black lists |
| 14:41.47 | t0th_- | i configured my cron to send email to me but not send |
| 14:41.47 | t0th_- | why? |
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| 14:42.04 | jwaters | Why i listened to developers i'll never know, 2TB volume doing fsck after a reboot. 1hour in and only 25% done. How do you guys handle for large data needs and avoid lengthy fscks? |
| 14:42.11 | g00se | Got a very sick disk here under Live rescue. As soon as i try to do any healing i get a ton of { UNC } ata errors spewing into the console. Any ideas? |
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| 14:42.55 | cockroach | jwaters: i use XFS, doesn't seem to insist on doing regular fscks... |
| 14:43.06 | Ticho_ | g00se: try to copy whatever you can off it (with ddrescue, myrescue, etc.), and chuck it into trash |
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| 14:44.05 | jwaters | cockroach, thanks for info, i've used xfs in past but management doesn't like anything but ext3 |
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| 14:44.28 | uoods | ext4 has much much better fsck time now |
| 14:44.29 | cockroach | jwaters: hmm, management sucks then :) |
| 14:44.37 | jwaters | LOL |
| 14:45.02 | ethanol | jwaters: you handle it by making it redundant.. |
| 14:45.04 | uoods | google went ext4, why haven't you? |
| 14:45.36 | jwaters | old rhel4 box that not allowed to upgrade |
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| 14:45.48 | jwaters | bandaid ducktape until it dies i am assuming |
| 14:46.12 | ethanol | jwaters: then consider this downtime unavoidable and shrug it off. go do something else, something productive :) |
| 14:46.18 | jwaters | ethanol, what you mean by redundant? already raid5 volume |
| 14:46.19 | Ticho_ | jwaters: use it as an excuse to get either a second box for failover, or a new, replacement box |
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| 14:46.53 | cockroach | jwaters: heh, for a moment there i thought you wrote red hat 4 and had a mild heart attack... |
| 14:47.11 | ethanol | jwaters: san. |
| 14:47.32 | jwaters | yes raid group on san in raid 5 |
| 14:47.36 | Ticho_ | or even a stupid scsi jbod :> |
| 14:47.50 | ethanol | then who cares how long the fsck takes? as long as other space is available |
| 14:48.27 | jwaters | guess i'll need to change ordering boot sequence to mount up san storage at end, atleast get os booted |
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| 14:48.51 | jwaters | at moment doing fsck and not at runlevel2 yet |
| 14:48.58 | cockroach | btw, does anyone know the current way of figuring out whether your video driver uses hardware 3d acceleration? can't seem to find it on google... |
| 14:49.00 | jwaters | thanks for info all |
| 14:49.19 | jwaters | cockroach, nvidia? |
| 14:49.26 | cockroach | jwaters: ati |
| 14:49.35 | jwaters | lsmod |grep nv |
| 14:50.16 | uoods | glinfo | grep render |
| 14:50.16 | babilen | cockroach: Run "glxinfo" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please :) |
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| 14:50.33 | uoods | erm glxinfo* |
| 14:50.38 | cockroach | babilen: lol, "Segmentation fault" :) |
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| 14:51.15 | Ticho_ | cockroach: do you by any chance have /tmp mounted with noexec? |
| 14:51.23 | joeb_ | Question .. i just installed a fresh version of squeeze .. my mouse is very jerky .. i can hover over something and it jerks all the way to the right of the screen .. i can't even scrol up and down because sometimes it stays on the right side of the screen .. i have a laptop / touchpad .. any ideas ? |
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| 14:51.26 | joeb_ | can i build my touchpad source/package from source .. do you think that will help ? |
| 14:51.34 | cockroach | joeb_: no |
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| 14:51.41 | zaff | hi guys, where can I find an install cd image of debian lenny ? |
| 14:51.58 | justin_ | zaff: www.debian.org |
| 14:52.00 | zaff | it's still the version we're using in production and I need to install it somewhere to test something |
| 14:52.07 | babilen | uoods: Even if that returns "direct rendering: Yes" it might still be a software renderer. You really want to look at the complete output. |
| 14:52.07 | zaff | justin_, I can only find squeze |
| 14:52.17 | cockroach | joeb_: but i *am* using a custom kernel. might be related to that. |
| 14:52.26 | justin_ | zaff: oh, lenny |
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| 14:52.43 | joeb_ | cockroach- do you think my issue is something to do with my kernel ? |
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| 14:52.55 | uoods | babilen: it should tell you in this line "OpenGL renderer string" |
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| 14:52.57 | zaff | justin_, yes |
| 14:52.57 | cockroach | babilen: exactly, that's what i read, but i can't remember what exactly to look for. but well anyway, i guess i'll first have to get rid of that segfault. |
| 14:53.07 | zaff | anyone ? this is kind of urgent |
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| 14:53.44 | babilen | cockroach: Could you try it with a Debian kernel and make sure that you have "firmware-linux-nonfree" "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" and "libgl1-mesa-dri" installed. |
| 14:53.44 | cockroach | joeb_: ah crap, i didn't mean to write to you :) |
| 14:53.48 | dutchfish | zaff, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
| 14:53.56 | cockroach | Ticho_: no, /tmp/ doesn't have noexec |
| 14:54.23 | joeb_ | lol |
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| 14:54.40 | cockroach | babilen: sure, that'll take a couple of minutes though, have to uninstall the crappy fglrx driver first. |
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| 14:55.00 | babilen | cockroach: Ah, yes. But it should work with fglrx as well. How did you install that driver? |
| 14:55.19 | babilen | cockroach: I typically recommend (and use) the free radeon driver though. |
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| 14:55.44 | zaff | dutchfish, awesome thanks |
| 14:55.48 | dutchfish | yw |
| 14:55.49 | cockroach | babilen: through apt. but i only installed it to try something and since it doesn't compile against 2.6.37 anyway, its not in use. it's gone now, rebooting |
| 14:55.59 | babilen | cockroach: cya |
| 14:56.02 | cockroach | babilen: sure, i sincerely dislike fglrx |
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| 14:56.12 | cockroach | babilen: staying here, other machine :) |
| 14:56.12 | babilen | cockroach: or: take your time :) |
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| 14:56.35 | zaff | quick question, what's the default version of python in squeze ? |
| 14:56.47 | cockroach | zaff: 2.6 i think |
| 14:56.49 | dubcl | Hi, get this problem http://pastebin.com/WatsZ7Tg, anyone known how to solve? |
| 14:56.57 | zaff | cockroach, thanks |
| 14:56.58 | Iridos | what was the program called again that makes a debian package from the installed files? |
| 14:56.58 | g00se | Ticho_: Thanks. I'm wondering if it can be cured though ;) |
| 14:57.06 | themill | zaff: packages.debian.org/python |
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| 14:58.18 | babilen | dubcl: You might want to contact Zimbra's support. http://www.zimbra.com/support/ |
| 14:58.20 | xeneixe | hi all, in which boot is dpkg based? |
| 14:58.20 | Ticho_ | g00se: commodity hw such as broken disks is normally replaced, not repaired :> |
| 14:58.28 | xeneixe | bot* |
| 14:58.35 | babilen | xeneixe: infobot |
| 14:58.48 | Ticho_ | xeneixe: 155841 CTCP VERSION reply from dpkg: infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux |
| 14:58.53 | xeneixe | tyvm babilen :) |
| 14:59.42 | g00se | Ticho_: It's a laptop so that can be a PITA |
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| 15:00.19 | cockroach | babilen: ok, no segfault this time. here's the output: http://paste.debian.net/110260/ |
| 15:00.39 | dubcl | babilen, the question is not about zimbra, is about dpkg |
| 15:00.41 | cockroach | (using kernel 2.6.32 from testing btw) |
| 15:00.53 | babilen | cockroach: Ok, you have a software renderer. Are the packages I mentioned earlier installed? |
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| 15:01.03 | cockroach | yes |
| 15:01.09 | cockroach | babilen: yes |
| 15:01.09 | babilen | dubcl: No, their package is buggy. |
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| 15:01.42 | dubcl | but exist any way to force no check the underscore? |
| 15:01.44 | cockroach | babilen: i'll check whether unstable has newer versions, i think my card is too new. |
| 15:01.49 | babilen | cockroach: I'd like to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log in that case. Install pastebinit and run "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and give me the URL :) |
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| 15:02.00 | cockroach | babilen: is "OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer" the relevant line? |
| 15:02.13 | babilen | cockroach: That might be, could you paste "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" in here please? |
| 15:02.16 | babilen | cockroach: exactly |
| 15:02.25 | joeb_ | ok let me refersh |
| 15:02.28 | babilen | cockroach: Along with the "direct rendering: Yes" one :) |
| 15:02.43 | joeb_ | how do i find my mouse type version .. its a touchpad |
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| 15:02.59 | cockroach | babilen: "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series] [1002:68b8]" |
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| 15:04.04 | themill | dubcl: what version of dpkg do you have? (apt-cache policy dpkg) |
| 15:04.21 | babilen | joeb_: egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 15:04.36 | babilen | ,xorg 1002:68b8 |
| 15:04.37 | judd | Device 1002:68b8 is not matched by any xorg drivers in squeeze or sid. |
| 15:04.52 | Iridos | *sigh* it's called dpkg-repack |
| 15:04.55 | Iridos | that took long :( |
| 15:04.59 | dubcl | themill, Installed: 1.15.8.10 |
| 15:05.02 | cockroach | babilen: and http://paste.debian.net/110263/ |
| 15:06.05 | joeb_ | babilen- egrep and grep are the same thing right ? |
| 15:06.13 | g00se | Ticho_: But i'm wondering how i can differentiate between the drive having physical errors and data errors? |
| 15:06.39 | themill | dubcl: hmm.. I thought illegal version strings were a warning not an error with that version, but maybe that's only for when it parses the status file. You need to contact the people who made that package and tell them to not create such crappy packages. And you probably shouldn't be using a package designed for lenny with a squeeze system, either. |
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| 15:08.20 | dubcl | themill, yes, si made for lenny, but i search for any option to don't check that |
| 15:08.30 | babilen | cockroach: Look at line 360 -- Looks as if you need a newer (kernel/radeon) version or fglrx |
| 15:08.39 | cockroach | babilen: sid seems to have a newer libgl-mesa-dri, i'll try my kernel with that one and see what happens. if i start screaming it's because my box exploded. |
| 15:08.51 | XEugenMayer | !debconf |
| 15:08.51 | dpkg | [debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/ |
| 15:08.56 | themill | dubcl: but you are running squeeze. There is no option because packages aren't supposed to be broken like that. Contact the people who made the .deb. |
| 15:09.03 | cockroach | babilen: ah, true |
| 15:09.22 | dubcl | themill, ok thanks |
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| 15:10.47 | babilen | joeb_: egrep == grep -e :) |
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| 15:12.52 | jargon- | i'm installing squeeze from the network and it's stopped at 1%. i switched to console to see what's going on and say an "untrusted pkgs" warning. The options where "Yes" to continue and "No" to abort. i typed Yes and pressed enter but nothing's been happening for the past 10 minutes,now. any ideas? |
| 15:13.18 | babilen | !tell jargon- -about 5% error |
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| 15:14.08 | Iridos | 5% error? why stop at 5% when you can have up to 100... |
| 15:14.21 | Iridos | (100% error, I mean) |
| 15:14.23 | jargon- | babilen: thank u |
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| 15:15.29 | joeb_ | babilen- if though squeeze is stable is it better to update to sid ? |
| 15:15.37 | babilen | cockroach: See http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon "Latest news" |
| 15:15.56 | babilen | joeb_: Better for what? |
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| 15:16.33 | joeb_ | babilen- another kernel .. somebody earlier said that they had the same issue and they tried another kernel and it worked |
| 15:16.39 | cockroach | babilen: not sure "6 Jul 2010" qualifies as "latest news" :) |
| 15:16.55 | g00se | Ticho_: I think { UNC } possibly signifies physical. Thanks for support |
| 15:16.59 | cockroach | babilen: does this look better? http://paste.debian.net/110265/ |
| 15:17.42 | babilen | cockroach: Ah, good catch. Still, that news applies to Xorg 1.9 which is the version currently in sid (squeeze has 1.7) |
| 15:18.06 | babilen | cockroach: It does indeed. fglrx? |
| 15:18.21 | cockroach | babilen: nope, xorg, radeon driver and mesa from sid |
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| 15:18.59 | babilen | cockroach: Wonderful. I was still trying to find authorative information for your chip from upstream. |
| 15:19.20 | cockroach | babilen: ah, thanks for that anyway. also, thanks for parsing my logs :) |
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| 15:20.18 | babilen | cockroach: You are welcome :) Enjoy the rest of your day or night! |
| 15:20.36 | cockroach | babilen: will do :) |
| 15:20.51 | cockroach | (aww, stil can't play etqw, major flickering) |
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| 15:21.13 | babilen | cockroach: *sigh* -- fglrx *might* be worth a try. |
| 15:21.33 | babilen | !tell cockroach -about fglrx dkms |
| 15:21.42 | cockroach | babilen: nah, i tried that a couple of months ago and while it *did* work better, there were major issues with some of the textures. |
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| 15:22.07 | AthomIk | babilen: nvidia dkms is for sid ? |
| 15:22.11 | babilen | cockroach: Ok, Although it can't hurt to try it again. |
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| 15:22.35 | babilen | AthomIk: No, applies to squeeze as well. Make sure your card is supported and that you don't need one of the legacy ones. |
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| 15:22.41 | cockroach | babilen: hmm, imho it can. i'll have evil proprietary and poorly written software on my shiny disks :) |
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| 15:22.51 | jargon- | babilen: i tried running aptitude update on my netbook and got this error: http://dpaste.com/486308/. is that what's causing the 5% error on my box's netinstal? |
| 15:23.05 | babilen | cockroach: I agree wholeheartedly. |
| 15:23.15 | AthomIk | babilen: no i have gt 430 no on the list |
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| 15:24.00 | babilen | jargon-: Have you read the factoid? I have very little to add. :) |
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| 15:24.34 | babilen | jargon-: And yes, that is the error causing this. |
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| 15:25.35 | AthomIk | babilen: and i have a compiled 2.6.37.2 kernel, because sound hdmi is in kernel for fermi card but >= 2.6.33 |
| 15:25.46 | AthomIk | debian have 2.6.32.5 |
| 15:26.05 | jelly | AthomIk: no, Debian have something based on 2.6.32. |
| 15:26.12 | babilen | AthomIk: make-kpkg? You could use the .37 in sid or .38 in experimental. |
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| 15:26.53 | babilen | AthomIk: Or compile it yourself with make-kpkg -- up to you. I would go for .38 |
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| 15:28.32 | AthomIk | babilen: yes i have a 2.6.37,not a probleme with nvidia package dkms ? |
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| 15:29.06 | jargon- | babilen: i'm using apt-cacher-ng. is there any way to install the keys there to fix this issue? |
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| 15:30.25 | babilen | AthomIk, jargon-: sorry, afk bbl, good luck |
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| 15:31.22 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes, que se me habia olvidado xd |
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| 15:32.21 | Iridos | are you supposed to use pbuilder as a normal user or as root? |
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| 15:34.52 | Iridos | oh, all right... you use it as root and it can/will drop privileges, except if you jump through some hoops |
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| 15:38.15 | arood | hi guys, after doing an apt-get upgrade my apache/php-install lost support for utf-8 in PCRE... can someone help me figure out how to fix this? |
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| 15:40.44 | themill | arood: upgrade from what to what? |
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| 15:40.54 | AthomIk | babilen: thk |
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| 15:41.30 | arood | themill: good question, I just did an apt-get upgrade without thinking really... I might have found something interesting on google though, hold on |
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| 15:44.02 | erAbuelo | me sacan de paseo, taaaaaa lueg xD |
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| 15:50.46 | expiation | I need a program to restore a partition I accidently erased, testdisk isn't working, any ideas? |
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| 15:53.38 | Bushmills | expiation: rsync |
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| 16:01.32 | classical__ | i know there is error "ARNING: recursion requested but not available" but then why bind gives me the ns records ? :) |
| 16:01.46 | classical__ | hey guys i have allowed recursion only for specific ip range see the config: http://pastebin.com/uCLTnUZE but when im performing query from diff net it does give me the ns records http://pastebin.com/f9hZ9nFi |
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| 16:02.58 | Bushmills | classical__: NS record - wherever you got that from - would indicate what name server is authoritative. that doesn't mean that that name server will recurse for you |
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| 16:03.48 | Bushmills | in fact, that name server you're querying doesn't seem to consider itself authoritative for your request - otherwise it wouldn't try to recurse |
| 16:04.42 | Bushmills | s/try to recurse/refuse to recurse/ |
| 16:04.58 | classical__ | buntfalke, i have second dns server configured like this one but it does not shows ns records while querying |
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| 16:06.33 | Bushmills | classical__: parent zone name server is the one providing name of name server of the zone you're requesting to resolve hostname. |
| 16:07.22 | classical__ | Bushmills, i do not want my dns server to give ns record for non authoritative domains |
| 16:07.27 | classical__ | how can i disable it |
| 16:08.01 | Bushmills | seems it doesn't - it refuses recursions, which appears to be what you want now. |
| 16:08.21 | classical__ | but id does give me the ns records |
| 16:08.32 | Bushmills | don't query it |
| 16:08.42 | classical__ | i wont but other will |
| 16:09.14 | Bushmills | only for zones it is authoritative for |
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| 16:11.15 | Sushiyant | how i can fix this problem "[Firmware Bug]: Duplicate ACPI video bus devices for the same VGA controller, please try module parameter "video.allow_duplicates=1"if the current driver doesn't work." |
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| 16:12.29 | classical__ | Bushmills, there still will be waste of traffic from my dns to root name servers |
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| 16:13.12 | Bushmills | classical__: no. there won't be any, if your name server doesn't recurse |
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| 16:14.34 | classical__ | Bushmills, well from where does non-recursive dns know about facebook's ns ? from root server i guess . . . |
| 16:15.10 | Bushmills | even if there would be, querying once per day or week for TLD name servers is what root servers can handle |
| 16:15.17 | Bushmills | no |
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| 16:15.26 | Bushmills | root server don't know about facebook |
| 16:16.26 | classical__ | Bushmills, but he know com and com knows about fb |
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| 16:16.40 | Bushmills | that is right |
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| 16:17.07 | Bushmills | and once a recursive name server has queried com server for facebook, it will cache it |
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| 16:17.20 | Bushmills | for as long facebook thinks it makes sense |
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| 16:17.37 | Bushmills | only, that has nothing to do with root servers |
| 16:18.01 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
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| 16:20.26 | Bushmills | "has queried com server for facebook *name servers*", actually |
| 16:20.50 | VoxWave | um |
| 16:21.46 | VoxWave | how do I get windows to boot from grub. I just installed debian and grub wont show windows |
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| 16:22.17 | Bushmills | VoxWave: install os-prober, then update-grub |
| 16:22.27 | VoxWave | kk |
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| 16:24.42 | VoxWave | it seemed to find windows. I'll be back if it doesnt work |
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| 16:26.06 | RFleming | Greetings and Salutations |
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| 16:27.01 | RFleming | I need some help trying to figure out how Debian is configuring Pure-FTPd. I have the /etc/pure-ftpd/conf directory with all my directives, but I don't know which script is calling it. |
| 16:27.30 | valdyn | RFleming: did you look at /usr/share/doc/proftp* ? |
| 16:27.47 | valdyn | RFleming: err, the equivalent for pure-ftpd |
| 16:28.34 | RFleming | valdyn: doing that now :) |
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| 16:29.08 | daemonkeeper | Is there an official way, when using the ftpsync mirror script to limit the distributions to be synchronized as I don't need experimental and sid? |
| 16:29.30 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: why are you even mirroring ? |
| 16:29.41 | daemonkeeper | Safe bandwidth. |
| 16:29.51 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: that is not saving bandwidth |
| 16:29.55 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: use approx |
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| 16:30.17 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: or any caching proxy of your choice |
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| 16:30.54 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: if you dont have a huge heterogenous deployment then you hardly need 5% of all packages |
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| 16:31.09 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: and you dont need the source code of most of those |
| 16:31.40 | daemonkeeper | Well, archs and source can be excluded, not the dist though. |
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| 16:32.02 | daemonkeeper | I'm really convinced a proxy will solve my problem though. |
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| 16:33.15 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: if you are already using squid, you can configure it to save debian packages of any size, or just use approx. There's a few more similar tools in debian, but i only really use approx after i had a bad experience with apt-proxy |
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| 16:33.50 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: appearantly apt-proxy is gone too, thats probably good |
| 16:35.03 | daemonkeeper | Its a bit more complicated, as I have my own repository as well which should be provided along the mirror. |
| 16:35.10 | JacobF | I installed debian squeeze netinst but wireless didn't work, so I continued the install and got a commandline interface from which I installed the missing wireless driver. Now I want to continue the install, how do I do that? |
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| 16:36.31 | catsup | JacobF: that's it. just install whatever packages you want. probably you want aptitude install gnome or similar. |
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| 16:36.52 | valdyn | JacobF: you only would have seen tasksel later on |
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| 16:37.17 | valdyn | JacobF: you can install and run it, or you can just install stuff |
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| 16:38.09 | JacobF | okay cool, but I don't like have gnome in the package list, it only has the cdrom list |
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| 16:38.54 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 16:38.54 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:38.57 | valdyn | JacobF: ^^ |
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| 16:39.32 | rafkuga | hi all |
| 16:39.37 | RFleming | valdyn: figured it out. Pure-FTPd is using a special wrapper in Debian. The quesiton is, are the options in my conf directory the only ones loaded, or are there any 'defaults' that Debian uses? |
| 16:39.41 | valdyn | JacobF: cdn = your country domain name |
| 16:39.50 | rafkuga | whats the link to the debian website where the upgrade from lenny to squeeze is described? |
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| 16:40.03 | valdyn | RFleming: i think those would be in /var/lib |
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| 16:40.13 | valdyn | RFleming: i know nothing at all about pure-ftpd btw |
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| 16:42.00 | RFleming | valdyn: naw, they're not in /var/lib. pure-ftpd-wrapper just converts files in conf (say a file called ChrootEveryone with the content of Yes) to the appropriate commandline switch (--chrooteveryone) |
| 16:42.43 | JacobF | valdyn: ah I see, it says those lines were commented by the installer because they failed to verify, thanks I will take it from here |
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| 16:43.10 | Marmelade | somebody interested doing an own linux distro |
| 16:43.34 | mooglenorph | Hello. I have a BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) wifi chip in my netbook, currently using the wl binary blob from broadcom on ubuntu. |
| 16:43.53 | mooglenorph | Does squeeze support this chip out of the box with an oss driver that is less awful? |
| 16:43.58 | Marmelade | no |
| 16:44.01 | Marmelade | dont have |
| 16:44.09 | Marmelade | dont |
| 16:44.12 | Marmelade | know |
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| 16:45.13 | mooglenorph | I was trying to figure it out from the hardware support wiki, and it seems like there's a "debian way" to install the blob (props!) but I couldn't figure out if there's a better driver in the new kernel or something. If so, I'd switch in a heartbeat. |
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| 16:45.25 | cahoot | mooglenorph: the pciid is probably the best startingpoint for examining the options |
| 16:45.38 | mooglenorph | cahoot: how do I find that? |
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| 16:45.45 | themill | valdyn: I'm not sure what you were implying with "cdn = your country domain name" -- just to make sure you know, cdn should be in there as those three letters "cdn" and not replaced by the country code. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
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| 16:46.09 | MrStarbuck83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.09 | cahoot | try /msg dpkg wifi |
| 16:47.06 | valdyn | themill: ah, I didnt know that |
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| 16:47.16 | cahoot | mooglenorph: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 16:47.50 | Bushmills | MrStarbuck83: you should be able to use munin for that purpose, possibly requiring writing a plugin |
| 16:48.00 | mooglenorph | cahoot: yeah, that's the page I was having trouble reading... I think I can figure it out with the bot you sent me to though, thanks, this thing is great :-) |
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| 16:49.53 | themill | valdyn: I find it great where the local mirrors are crappy (like in .au -- cdn.d.n included a health check of the mirrors for you) or for when I'm travelling around with a laptop. Also great for #debian where we can just people a sources.list that will work "well enough" even if they could perhaps do slightly better with a different mirror. Don't use it with Google DNS though.... |
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| 16:51.32 | valdyn | themill: works great, im getting a perfect mirror |
| 16:51.59 | arvind_khadri | hi, is it possible to switch over to ZFS as a root file system after installation? |
| 16:52.12 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: you dont want to do that |
| 16:52.15 | Arrowmaster | well im using opendns i think and cdn.debian.net sent me to columbia.edu |
| 16:52.26 | babilen | arvind_khadri: If you use kfreebsd then yes |
| 16:52.30 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: unless you are talking about kfreebsd |
| 16:52.36 | RFleming | valdyn: when a process is listed as [SERVER] in ps, is there a way to find out what all of the switches were when the daemon was loaded? |
| 16:52.49 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, no am not :( |
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| 16:53.05 | valdyn | RFleming: generally - no |
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| 16:53.53 | themill | Arrowmaster: you're presumably using a reasonably local opendns server. That will work fine. When you're using Google DNS and hence google's server in California is doing the resolving, you'll get a mirror on the US west coast. Not what you planned. |
| 16:53.58 | valdyn | RFleming: the switches have to be where the daemon is started - /etc/init.d/<script> or /etc/inetd.conf |
| 16:54.10 | Arrowmaster | google dns isnt in california |
| 16:54.16 | Arrowmaster | it uses anycast |
| 16:54.21 | Marmelade | somebody interested doing an own linux distro |
| 16:54.35 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: why dont you tias |
| 16:54.58 | Arrowmaster | i did it the past |
| 16:54.59 | babilen | Marmelade: Debian is doing its own distro :) |
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| 16:55.41 | Arrowmaster | bah no rdns entries so ill have to use a geoip |
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| 16:57.27 | Arrowmaster | hmm, i swear i tested this when google dns first came out and they were using anycast but this time the geoip is telling me cali |
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| 16:57.46 | mooglenorph | Ahh sweet it is supported! |
| 16:58.02 | mooglenorph | cahoot: thanks, I get to switch my netbook to debian :-) |
| 16:58.46 | Marmelade | debian better than ubuntu ? |
| 16:58.54 | themill | Arrowmaster: "nslookup cdn.debian.net 8.8.8.8" gives US mirrors (east coast not west though); if I push that through my ISP's nameserver, I get ftp.uk without any issues. |
| 16:59.10 | themill | dpkg: tell Marmelade about why debian |
| 16:59.50 | quuxman | is there a way for xrandr to refer to --outputs as an index, instead of a name? |
| 17:00.10 | Bushmills | Marmelade: of course ubuntu is much better, that's why people here use debian |
| 17:00.11 | quuxman | like how do I set the brightness of the primary output, or the next one? |
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| 17:00.39 | classical__ | where could iptables config file located in debian 5.0.8 ? |
| 17:00.43 | arvind_khadri | Bushmills, :P |
| 17:00.51 | Bushmills | classical__: there is none |
| 17:00.51 | classical__ | its not in /var/lib/iptables |
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| 17:02.10 | quuxman | and if I can only refer to outputs by name, how do I get a newline separated list of outputs? |
| 17:02.27 | babilen | classical__: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables + http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ should get you started. You might want to consider using one of the iptables frontends like fwbuilder, shorewall or any of the ones listed on http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 17:02.28 | classical__ | Bushmills, why ? i remember it was in /var/lib/iptables |
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| 17:03.05 | Bushmills | classical__: iptables doesn't have a configuration. you add rules or you don't,. |
| 17:04.02 | classical__ | Bushmills, thats what i meant i was adding rules in /var/lib/iptables/active |
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| 17:04.45 | Bushmills | put them anywhere you want, or where it makes sense. load them when it makes most sense. interface coming up is one good place. |
| 17:04.50 | babilen | classical__: Please look at/read the links I gave you. |
| 17:04.57 | Arrowmaster | there is also iptables-persistent |
| 17:05.12 | classical__ | okay i will read |
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| 17:05.51 | babilen | classical__: Also: Why do you need/want a firewall? What do you want to use a packet filter for? |
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| 17:06.31 | jacobw | I've installed Debian and used the Guided LVM option at the partitioning stage. When I try to reboot, I get the messages similar to "LVM: Could not stop 1 volume" and "kexec: starting new kernel", and the machine does not power off. Is this normal when using an LVM? |
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| 17:06.49 | classical__ | babilen, i want to limit ssh access |
| 17:06.57 | Arrowmaster | that sounds a lot more like a kexec problem |
| 17:07.07 | Arrowmaster | jacobw: you didnt install from the livecd did you? |
| 17:07.23 | jacobw | Arrowmaster: Yes, I did. |
| 17:08.09 | jacobw | Arrowmaster: From the GUI Install boot option of the live images that is. |
| 17:08.32 | Arrowmaster | jacobw: are you aware of what kexec is? if you are not you might not want it and removing it may be best |
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| 17:08.51 | babilen | classical__: Ok, you probably want to look at libnetfilter-conntrack3 in that case. |
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| 17:10.18 | babilen | jacobw: SynrG (over at oftc) mentioned that the kexec problems should be fixed in the upcoming point release. See also #617393 |
| 17:10.32 | jacobw | Arrowmaster: I don't know what kexec is, how do I remove it? |
| 17:10.58 | babilen | jacobw: You really want to read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617393 |
| 17:11.13 | babilen | jacobw: ah, not much information there though :) sorry :-\ |
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| 17:11.44 | babilen | jacobw: "aptitude purge kexec-tools" might be what you are looking for. |
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| 17:12.27 | stack | hi, I think I'm missing some info about this but, i've removed the metapackage gnome and done aptitude keep-all forgetting that all the tree dependancy chain would be marked as manual installed, so now removing something like gnome-games doesn't marks for deletion packages that depends on that.. what is the correct way to remove meta packages without breaking this behaviour ? thanks. |
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| 17:13.17 | RFleming | Anyone? How to find process args when process is listed as (Server) in ps. Tried `ps -o pid,args -e` without success. |
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| 17:15.04 | Bushmills | RFleming: htop shows them. alternatively, look at /proc/<pid>/cmdline |
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| 17:18.34 | Arrowmaster | stack: probably something like aptitude unmarkauto '~Dgnome' |
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| 17:20.19 | Arrowmaster | no wait i think it would be '~Rgnome' |
| 17:20.25 | themill | close, you need to do it for the reverse collection of deps (and also for the recommends); e.g. /msg dkg remove rhythmbox |
| 17:20.32 | themill | yep |
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| 17:21.08 | Arrowmaster | i can never remember all the aptitude search stuff so i pulled up the reference and was just reading down it |
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| 17:23.08 | Arrowmaster | aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$' |
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| 17:32.18 | _linuxftw | Got a file in the root directory called "core", it's about 400 MB, is this a core dump? |
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| 17:36.35 | zafy | hey guys, in ubuntu in the gnome-clock applet, I also have a location section, but I can't find it in lenny |
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| 17:37.13 | Arrowmaster | zafy: ive got it in squeeze |
| 17:37.37 | Shuei | When is Squeeze EOL? |
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| 17:37.51 | Marmelade | squeeze ? |
| 17:37.55 | Marmelade | 2013 |
| 17:37.58 | Arrowmaster | a year after wheezy gets released |
| 17:38.06 | babilen | zafy: You need a newer version of the gnome-applets. I would recommend to upgrade to squeeze. |
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| 17:38.42 | Shuei | January 2013, squeeze will be end of life? |
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| 17:39.16 | jhutchins_lt | Shuei: There is no release date for wheezy yet, but squeeze will be eol one year from wheezy's release. |
| 17:39.25 | Shuei | okay |
| 17:39.40 | babilen | Shuei: And a relase date for wheezy hasn't been set yet. (And won't be for some time to come) Expect the release to happen in 1½ - 3 years. So squeeze could be EOLived in 2½ - 4 years. Note that there is also discussion to provide longer security support in the security team, so these are all random estimations. |
| 17:39.57 | jhutchins_lt | Shuei: Debian bases it's releases on the quality progress of the release rather than a rigid schedule. |
| 17:40.14 | Shuei | I understand. |
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| 17:41.30 | Shuei | If I have a debian package to which I would like to add a single patch - to produce a custom package that I can deploy to my debian systems, what is the best way to accomplish this? |
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| 17:46.26 | km | what is command to display the directory and it parent directory permission? |
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| 17:46.42 | Hoxzer | ls -l? |
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| 17:46.53 | km | eg /home/user/joe |
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| 17:47.35 | Bushmills | ls -ld ~ |
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| 17:48.59 | Shuei | you can use ls -l and pay attention to the '.' and '..' entries |
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| 17:50.03 | jacobw | babilen: Thank you, I've followed your suggestion, and rebooting is now working as expected :) |
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| 17:52.23 | stack | Arrowmaster: so I should had that command and then remove gnome metapackage? |
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| 17:56.32 | erAbuelo | re buenas |
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| 17:59.09 | Shuei | I found the maintainers guide which has answered my questions |
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| 18:02.38 | dury | hi there all |
| 18:02.51 | petergriffin | My server runs PHP 5.3 which almost all of my apps except a new one are capable of using. Is there a way to have certain apache virtualhosts use a separate PHP install (version 5.1)?? |
| 18:03.01 | Datz | Hi, is -vserver-amd64 an appropriate kernel for virtual machines? |
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| 18:04.47 | the_game | server help |
| 18:04.48 | the_game | pl0x |
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| 18:05.02 | the_game | making a debian server that'll stream media and be CLI-only |
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| 18:05.14 | the_game | anyone? |
| 18:05.15 | dury | AcTiVaTe: hi there :) |
| 18:05.28 | the_game | hello sir |
| 18:05.36 | the_game | surver halp |
| 18:05.49 | project2501a | i lost the game :( |
| 18:05.54 | the_game | XD |
| 18:06.05 | project2501a | what is the advantage of putting your clock in UTC/ |
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| 18:06.17 | the_game | brilliant name, anyone who joins n sees my post shall lose the game. |
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| 18:06.52 | the_game | besides the point though, setting up le server |
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| 18:07.04 | gnugr | who won The game |
| 18:07.16 | the_game | no one, you can never win the game |
| 18:07.20 | the_game | if you think about the game you lose |
| 18:07.24 | dury | hey guys what's this http://www.linuxcd.org/view_distro.php?id_distro=8&ref=distrowatch |
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| 18:07.25 | the_game | et cetra |
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| 18:08.48 | cahoot | !tell the_game about ask |
| 18:09.01 | obiwahn | mh is there a way to deny the creation of folders other than changeing the permission of the parent dir? |
| 18:09.30 | the_game | I asked |
| 18:09.38 | obiwahn | im not sure wich but there are programs that keeo creating Desktop and or Downloads in my home! |
| 18:09.46 | obiwahn | id love o make that stop |
| 18:09.55 | obiwahn | s/o/to/ |
| 18:10.06 | the_game | I'm trying to start a headless CLI Debian server with Squeeze and want help making it. The server is going to stream music the my PS3 and needs to be able to be controlled by a Win7 PC |
| 18:10.11 | dury | suggestions about reliable distro game |
| 18:10.15 | the_game | Can someone please assist me? |
| 18:10.19 | ikonia | the_game: whats the question then |
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| 18:10.25 | the_game | how do I make it? |
| 18:10.44 | ikonia | the_game: the first job is to install the OS |
| 18:10.47 | the_game | I'm asking for someone to hold my hand through this. never done it before |
| 18:10.48 | ikonia | the_game: that is the first task |
| 18:10.49 | the_game | I have the OS |
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| 18:10.55 | ikonia | the_game: ok, so what's the next question |
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| 18:10.57 | the_game | no GUI or anything |
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| 18:11.08 | ikonia | the_game: ok, so what's the next problem |
| 18:11.36 | the_game | I need help setting up the server. Finding something that'll stream music n movies to my PS3 and also be able to store files randomly thrown at it with my main system |
| 18:11.40 | the_game | which is Win7 |
| 18:12.02 | ikonia | the_game: ok, so what part are you stuck at ? |
| 18:12.02 | the_game | that part |
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| 18:12.02 | ikonia | which part, |
| 18:12.14 | the_game | finding something that'll stream music n movies to my PS3 that's fully CLI |
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| 18:12.28 | ikonia | the_game: ok, so what applications have you looked at ? |
| 18:12.44 | dury | http://live.linux-gamers.net/ |
| 18:12.44 | the_game | mediatomb but idk much about it n I'm not sure if it's in the repos. |
| 18:12.49 | babilen | jacobw: great! |
| 18:13.03 | ikonia | the_game: ok, first thing is to see if it's in the repo |
| 18:13.16 | ikonia | the_game: use the search tools to search the repos for it |
| 18:13.24 | the_game | fine |
| 18:13.30 | the_game | hold on |
| 18:13.35 | dury | ikonia? |
| 18:13.52 | ikonia | dury: yes ? |
| 18:14.24 | dury | ikonia: what's this http://www.linuxcd.org/view_distro.php?id_distro=8&ref=distrowatch |
| 18:14.32 | simonrvn | !search |
| 18:14.32 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
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| 18:14.41 | simonrvn | the_game: ^^ some of the tools |
| 18:14.52 | the_game | I don't see anything |
| 18:14.55 | ikonia | dury: what do mean "what is it" ? |
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| 18:15.37 | Shuei | ikonia This is totally off-topic and you may not even appreciate this but I think you are very good at support. Are you 'on duty' or just here for fun? |
| 18:15.59 | ikonia | Shuei: I'll always help if I have time/can |
| 18:16.03 | dury | ikonia: it's about to buy different kind of debians... is it correct? |
| 18:16.12 | simonrvn | Shuei: we're all volunteers here |
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| 18:16.44 | ikonia | dury: I don't know, I didn't write it, use debian's own website for factual stuff |
| 18:16.55 | the_game | hewwo? |
| 18:17.01 | the_game | I haz a prollum |
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| 18:17.04 | simonrvn | the_game: start with packages.debian.org and use key words |
| 18:17.05 | Shuei | Sure but even a volunteer can agree to do something at specific times so that, say, there's always somebody here that is willing to help |
| 18:17.09 | the_game | i did |
| 18:17.15 | the_game | didn't see mediatomb anywhere |
| 18:17.27 | the_game | I'm repeating my steps for your sake |
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| 18:17.55 | ikonia | Shuei: if I'm online and I have time, I'm always happy to help, so "yes" I'm on duty if you want to call it that |
| 18:18.10 | dury | ikonia: is there a game distribution for kids |
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| 18:18.24 | ikonia | dury: not that I'm aware of |
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| 18:18.57 | Shuei | ikonia: I mean did you agree to specific times to be online... |
| 18:19.12 | the_game | game distros...there's an ubuntu one |
| 18:19.14 | eli_ | I had windows7 installed on my comp and now that I installed debian I'm not able to boot into windows. The splash screen only list debian? how would I be able to add windows to that list to |
| 18:19.15 | ikonia | Shuei: nah, but I normally am around |
| 18:19.17 | ikonia | the_game: no there isn't |
| 18:19.28 | simonrvn | the_game: it's probably not packaged - likely for licensing reasons, or arcitectural |
| 18:19.36 | simonrvn | archi* |
| 18:19.47 | the_game | There's a distro based on Ubuntu for gaming |
| 18:19.57 | the_game | I read about it in Linux Format Mag |
| 18:19.57 | Shuei | eli_ your first step is ensuring that windows is still there (also for your own comfort) |
| 18:20.03 | the_game | and distrowatch |
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| 18:20.14 | ikonia | the_game: http://mediatomb.cc/pages/download#debian_ubuntu |
| 18:20.25 | ikonia | the_game: that shows it as part of debian since lenny |
| 18:20.29 | eli_ | Shuei: Im sure it is, since the partition is still there |
| 18:20.50 | simonrvn | Shuei: we have channel guidelines, that's all, and of course being respectful of each other, like human beings |
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| 18:21.10 | dury | ikonia: you concentrate to help about only in Debian distro, don't you? |
| 18:21.17 | ikonia | dury: no |
| 18:21.34 | the_game | so I have to get to the site thru CLI to get the package for it then install it manually in the CLI using the dpkg command and all that? |
| 18:21.55 | dury | ikonia: Linux then..? |
| 18:21.55 | ikonia | the_game: apt or aptitude is the package manager interface on the command line |
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| 18:21.59 | ikonia | dury: yes, |
| 18:22.01 | the_game | what is it? dpkg -i /home/username/mediatomb |
| 18:22.11 | Shuei | eli_ okay, good. |
| 18:22.11 | ikonia | the_game: no, use apt or aptitude |
| 18:22.18 | ikonia | !install |
| 18:22.18 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions, and ask me about <offline squeeze install>. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 18:22.24 | the_game | how am I suppoed to use apt if it's not in the repo? |
| 18:22.25 | ikonia | ahh, wrong factoid |
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| 18:22.32 | the_game | I searched packages.debian.net and didn't see it |
| 18:22.32 | eli_ | Shuei: then what to do? |
| 18:22.44 | ikonia | the_game: that sourceforge page suggests it is in the repo |
| 18:22.55 | Shuei | cfg |
| 18:22.55 | Shuei | eli_ can you find your grub.cfs file? |
| 18:23.05 | the_game | you found a debian area saying they had binaries |
| 18:23.08 | Arrowmaster | the_game: its packages.debian.org |
| 18:23.18 | eli_ | Shuei: yes |
| 18:23.21 | dury | did install debian 6.0 in a Pentium III, with LXDE Desktop Environment |
| 18:23.21 | ikonia | the_game: correct |
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| 18:23.33 | the_game | doesn't mean it's in the repos |
| 18:23.40 | the_game | that means that they made a binary .deb file for it |
| 18:23.42 | the_game | not the same thing |
| 18:23.47 | ikonia | the_game: it does when they say it's part of debian since lenny |
| 18:23.53 | Arrowmaster | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mediatomb |
| 18:24.01 | ikonia | the_game: looks like you just didn't look |
| 18:24.07 | the_game | Arrowmaster just made me look dumb |
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| 18:24.22 | the_game | I searched their packages site though and then googled "debian repo mediatomb" and stuff |
| 18:24.28 | simonrvn | told him that 5 min ago |
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| 18:24.44 | ikonia | the_game: you where told to search the archive, not google |
| 18:24.46 | Shuei | eli_ add an entry to say rootnoverify (hdX,Y) and chainloader +1 |
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| 18:25.04 | the_game | I searched google and the package site, sorry for missing it |
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| 18:25.27 | the_game | so anyone know how to set up mediatomb or an SSH or am I on my own? |
| 18:25.29 | Shuei | where X and Y define the partition windows is on |
| 18:25.57 | ikonia | the_game: ssh will setup fine as default when you install the server package |
| 18:26.05 | eli_ | Shuei: what? |
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| 18:26.11 | ikonia | the_game: mediatomb has very good decoumentation that you can ask specfic questions about |
| 18:26.36 | Shuei | eli_ do you understand how to add a new entry? |
| 18:26.40 | the_game | grrr, school bell rang |
| 18:26.44 | the_game | ill ask more questions later |
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| 18:27.24 | Shuei | first, what partition is windows on? |
| 18:28.43 | Shuei | eli_ What partition is windows on? |
| 18:28.44 | wolfric | How do you use gnome-terminal to copy? it's shift ctrl c but i can't figure out how to actually copy text. I've got the paste down though |
| 18:29.03 | eli_ | bbl |
| 18:29.04 | dury | Shuei: this is your first in GNU/Linux |
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| 18:29.37 | Shuei | wolfric: I've always used shift+delete |
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| 18:29.46 | SerajewelKS | what exactly was the rationale behind suggesting that people use apt-get for lenny->squeeze upgrades instead of aptitude? |
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| 18:30.00 | Shuei | dury: Is it? |
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| 18:30.22 | wolfric | Shuei: right but does it copy to the left or right or do you do it once at the start move the cursor and do it again to copy? or does it copy the whole line? |
| 18:30.23 | dvs | SerajewelKS: aptitude resolves packages differently than apt-get |
| 18:30.35 | dury | Shuei: I don't know I'm asking to you |
| 18:30.42 | SerajewelKS | because for me, apt-get wanted to remove half my system due to "unsatisfied dependencies" (i canceled at that point) while aptitude upgraded everything cleanly |
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| 18:30.52 | SerajewelKS | dvs: hmm. in my case differently was better... |
| 18:31.33 | dury | Shuei: Is this your first experience with Linux |
| 18:31.33 | Shuei | wolfric: oh when you select something and let go of the mouse, it immediately stops the highlighting? |
| 18:31.38 | SerajewelKS | aptitude didn't even walk me through conflict resolution |
| 18:31.48 | Shuei | that is usually a sign that automatic copy is enabled |
| 18:32.32 | wolfric | Shuei: not auotmatic copy. The "ctrl shift c" option |
| 18:32.39 | dury | Shuei: sorry dude don't misunderstand me |
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| 18:35.23 | Shuei | wolfric I should probably be quiet know, I have not used gnome in ages, so I don't understand what you mean. I mean select the text you want to copy and press shift delete |
| 18:35.25 | Rziz | Noob question; i'm trying to build the source of a NIC kmod said to be compatible with both 2.4.x and 2.6.x for use on a 2.4.x system on my 2.6.x system. I wonder if this is feasible and any pointers to the approach i should take |
| 18:35.58 | PF | Wow |
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| 18:36.15 | wolfric | Shuei: turns out you need to use the mouse :( |
| 18:36.22 | PF | hahahah |
| 18:36.24 | wolfric | Shuei: i was hoping for a terminal only option. |
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| 18:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: gdm |
| 18:37.23 | lxs-makoto | ohai. I've got a menu entry file in /usr/share/menu/terminator, if it's correctly formatted and I run update-menus, it should appear in the correct section on the debian menu, right? |
| 18:37.38 | Shuei | wolfric: you can use screen for fully keyyboard based copy and paste |
| 18:37.55 | Shuei | wolfric. otherwise you hve to select using mouse yea |
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| 18:38.25 | itchi | Hi guys :) |
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| 18:38.37 | PF | Hi, fella |
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| 18:39.00 | itchi | Using svn since a few ages now, i wonder if it's worth to move on to git. What do you think about Git in a few words? |
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| 18:40.05 | itchi | It just seems to be almost the same, except that the messaging system isn't the same, nor the revision references which i doesn't like at first aspect |
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| 18:41.10 | babilen | itchi: do it, it is fast and the branching model will change the way you develop software. (feature branches ftw) it is also nice that every checkout contains everyhting, so you never have a problem when you lose one copy. Apart from that, all this is off-topic in here and you could ask in #debian-offtopic, #workingset or #git |
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| 18:42.06 | itchi | babilen: yeah i know, kind of off-topic but yah :P |
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| 18:42.33 | RickHull | Hi, i am trying to make some more space on a 250MB /tmp parition |
| 18:42.37 | babilen | itchi: Hence my expanded "this is off topic sod off" message ;) |
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| 18:42.40 | itchi | it's that i love the advices of my dudes here :D they are the best for all, even fixing walls or whatever other activity out of computers :D |
| 18:43.01 | babilen | itchi: hehe |
| 18:43.14 | RickHull | df -h shows: /dev/sda5 274M 11M 249M 5% /tmp however, `du -sh *` from /tmp shows only: 12K lost+found |
| 18:43.14 | itchi | the debian spirit is just the debian spirit which i love since a few years now :D |
| 18:43.32 | RickHull | how is 12k lost+found taking up 11M ? |
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| 18:45.35 | babilen | itchi: But honestly: Try git! It is wonderful ... hg, bzr and darcs are worth a look too. There is also github and gitorious for git. Just try it, you will not be disappointed. Read: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html (and git-svn makes it easy to work with git locally when the code is in an svn repository) |
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| 18:45.52 | babilen | </off-topic> |
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| 18:46.38 | itchi | babilen: yeah, i think i will do some test steps :) If the good ones use it, then i guess it will be ok :) |
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| 18:47.15 | lxs-makoto | how do I add a menu entry that will show up in fluxbox when i run update-menus? |
| 18:47.26 | itchi | lxs-makoto: hmm, hold on |
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| 18:47.49 | babilen | lxs-makoto: #fluxbox ;) |
| 18:47.49 | itchi | lxs-makoto: will paste my ~/.fluxbox/menu entry |
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| 18:48.02 | wolfric | How do i set a program to run on the display of a local logged in user from ssh |
| 18:48.43 | wolfric | Let's say i wanted firefox to pop up on my local logged in session but i wanted ot do it from ssh. i thought you just put in DISPLAY=:0 and then type the program |
| 18:48.46 | wolfric | but it didn't work |
| 18:49.02 | wolfric | can't even find the right words to google for it |
| 18:49.10 | itchi | lxs-makoto: here some sample which should get you started before the move on #fluxbox :D http://pastebin.me/e143e6dcd02d2449b860e03a640c5f91 |
| 18:49.12 | babilen | wolfric: do you connect with "ssh -X" ? |
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| 18:49.20 | lxs-makoto | babilen: i would have tried #fluxbox, but there are some funny scripts that debian seems to use for menus, and i cant work them out. |
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| 18:49.45 | itchi | it's that Debian has modified slightly fluxbox, it doesn't realy work the way a prestine fluxbox should work |
| 18:49.58 | wolfric | babilen: that's running it on my own machine isn't it |
| 18:50.03 | lxs-makoto | itchi: thanks. should i forget about debian's scripts and rewrite the menus from scratch? |
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| 18:50.23 | babilen | lxs-makoto: Ah, jsut wanted to suggest a more fluxbox specific channel. :) |
| 18:50.26 | wolfric | babilen: I'm logged in on the local machine with my session open. I'm also logged in with ssh. I want to run something on that local logged in session |
| 18:50.30 | wolfric | so it pops up on the local screen |
| 18:50.31 | itchi | lxs-makoto: well no, don't, i did that a few years ago... just useless in the long run :) |
| 18:50.41 | itchi | brb, dinner time :) |
| 18:51.05 | wolfric | babilen: as far as i know, forwarding x would allow you to run programs on the server on your OWN x server locally on the machine you're sshed in with right? |
| 18:51.19 | babilen | wolfric: right, is that not what you want? |
| 18:51.50 | wolfric | babilen: think of it like running a vnc for someones logged in session to the computer, running a program and logging out of the vnc... except without vnc |
| 18:51.53 | babilen | wolfric: Ah, you want to start something on the remote host |
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| 18:52.04 | allure | Hi. All emails for my domain are being rejected. The postconf is here: http://pastebin.com/LY14E8SK , the mail.log is here: http://pastebin.com/HxJ9vMwM and the error I get back is here: http://pastebin.com/wN8QtV7j . Could you guys give me a hand? |
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| 18:52.21 | wolfric | babilen: yes and i want it to be displayed on the remote host. Someone told me the answer on one of the irc channels ages ago but i forget the command something about setting the display variables |
| 18:52.25 | wolfric | variable* |
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| 18:56.08 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: you would just need to set DISPLAY to the X display you want the program started on |
| 18:56.09 | babilen | wolfric: So what happens when you try your approach? "xhosts +" pops into my mind, but that is evil ... |
| 18:56.26 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: os if there is a display on :0, you would ssh in and run: DISPLAY=:0 someprogram |
| 18:56.47 | babilen | SerajewelKS: that is "his approach" -- I am curious what happens if executed :) |
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| 18:58.41 | SerajewelKS | of course, you will need XAUTHORITY set to the ~/.Xauthority file for the user who owns the X session, or your program will not be able to authenticate with the X server |
| 19:00.07 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, dmm seems to be off-line. |
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| 19:04.32 | wolfric | SerajewelKS: is there anyway of listing the displays? |
| 19:04.56 | wolfric | SerajewelKS: what man page would i look for for display? |
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| 19:05.41 | flam | hi, i'm sorry if this isn't the right channel, but could you recomend some uml software for linux? |
| 19:05.55 | flam | i'm using bouml but it isn't that great |
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| 19:07.10 | jacobw | flam: umbrello |
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| 19:07.31 | flam | jacobw, thanks, i'll try it out |
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| 19:09.51 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: you should just be able to list the X socket directory |
| 19:10.09 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: i forget where it is, but i know it stuffs things in /tmp too |
| 19:10.32 | classical__ | i cant find from where my iptables rules is loaded someone help |
| 19:11.10 | homie | from your firewall! |
| 19:11.42 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: ls -l /tmp/.X11-unix |
| 19:11.51 | SerajewelKS | wolfric: that'll show you running server sockets and who owns them |
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| 19:12.31 | wolfric | SerajewelKS: cheers |
| 19:13.00 | rioch | I'd like to run an address book server. Is LDAP really the best thing for this? I can't find much information on simpler alternatives. |
| 19:13.17 | RickHull | but LDAP is lightweight! ;) |
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| 19:14.04 | classical__ | homie, where is rule file located ? |
| 19:14.15 | jhutchins_lt | classical__: Wherever you put it. |
| 19:14.23 | classical__ | nowhere |
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| 19:14.34 | classical__ | i did not put it |
| 19:14.38 | jhutchins_lt | rioch: That's about the only way to do it. |
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| 19:15.00 | jhutchins_lt | classical__: Then there isn't one. |
| 19:15.16 | niklaswe | rioch: in /etc/network/ |
| 19:15.18 | romel | hi, guys. I want to reconfigure my wmaker installation (it was just silently installed without asking any options), but dpkg-reconfigure wmaker doens't say anything, debconf-show wmaker also exits without showing any information. What's wrong? |
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| 19:15.31 | niklaswe | and in firewall.conf |
| 19:15.48 | jhutchins_lt | classical__: Now if you installed some firewall package, it might have created one, and you should look at the docs for that package to see where. |
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| 19:16.27 | classical__ | jhutchins_lt, it was installed by default on debian lenny |
| 19:16.30 | rioch | jhutchins_lt: guess I have no choice then. :s |
| 19:16.57 | classical__ | if there is no rule file on my disk than its in my Ram ? |
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| 19:17.16 | jhutchins_lt | classical__: Not on any of the lenny machines I built, but ok. |
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| 19:17.38 | jhutchins_lt | niklaswe: What package sets that up? |
| 19:18.42 | niklaswe | jhutchins_lt: forgott what i said, i just remeber that i have saved my rules with iptables-save :P |
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| 19:19.50 | jhutchins_lt | iptables installed by default, but without rules that I know of. |
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| 19:21.43 | cockroach | hey. i'm trying to cross-compile latest libdrm for i386 but somehow the linker seems to not use the 32bit libraries even though i said "--libdir=/usr/lib32" - any quick ideas on how to fix that? |
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| 19:24.46 | cockroach | (output from configure: http://pastebin.com/rdbB1rex, output from make: http://pastebin.com/m9P8GXJm) |
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| 19:25.41 | DelphiWorld | hello friends |
| 19:25.47 | DelphiWorld | how do i save iptables ruls? |
| 19:25.54 | DelphiWorld | to don't lose it up on reboot |
| 19:26.11 | streuner_ | iptables-save? |
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| 19:26.47 | rioch | Anyone have any experience with apple calendar server (which also stores contacts) on linux? |
| 19:26.52 | streuner_ | amset:/tmp# apt-file search iptables-save |
| 19:26.52 | Arrowmaster | theres a package called iptables-persistent |
| 19:26.53 | streuner_ | iptables: /sbin/iptables-save |
| 19:27.00 | Datz | Hi, is there someone who could help me install perl module POE::Component::EasyDBI? I get this error: http://pastebin.com/yrX70KgS |
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| 19:27.05 | DelphiWorld | streuner_: refused bad arg |
| 19:27.36 | mister_m | can I download a directory on the web with wget and have it include all the html files, and images in that directory? |
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| 19:28.15 | thewanderer1 | mister_m: no, unless there are links to all resources you want or you supply wget with a full list of URLs |
| 19:28.32 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 19:28.46 | mister_m | thewanderer1: would it be poissible to grab everything in the directory with a different tool? |
| 19:28.57 | thewanderer1 | mister_m: HTTP doesn't have directories, so not at all |
| 19:29.21 | DelphiWorld | any idea? |
| 19:29.26 | DelphiWorld | i don't know how to save iptables |
| 19:29.49 | jhutchins_lt | DelphiWorld: Gee, I wonder if there's a manpage? Or if the posix standard --help option does anything? |
| 19:29.55 | Datz | thewanderer1: maybe this will help? http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/downloading-entire-web-site-wget |
| 19:30.02 | mister_m | thewanderer1: so no way to get everything at http//x.com/y/z/ |
| 19:30.07 | DelphiWorld | jhulst: i can't read man :( sory |
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| 19:30.13 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals iptables-save |
| 19:30.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'iptables-save' by value returned no results. |
| 19:30.18 | thewanderer1 | Datz: he was asking about a directory, not about a 'site' |
| 19:30.30 | mister_m | thewanderer1: you being pedantic doesn't help anyone |
| 19:30.36 | mister_m | thewanderer1: :( |
| 19:30.37 | DelphiWorld | in centos: |
| 19:30.38 | Datz | oh wrong nick |
| 19:30.40 | DelphiWorld | service iptables save |
| 19:30.41 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals iptables-save |
| 19:30.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'iptables-save' by value returned no results. |
| 19:30.43 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals iptables-save |
| 19:30.47 | streuner_ | argh |
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| 19:30.57 | Datz | thewanderer1: anyway, that will do the same thing |
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| 19:31.13 | thewanderer1 | mister_m: if you order it to save recursively http://x.com/y/z/, it will save that page, follow the links, save them etc. |
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| 19:31.26 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: listvals iptables-save |
| 19:31.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'iptables-save' by value returned no results. |
| 19:32.05 | streuner_ | DelphiWorld: man iptables-save exist |
| 19:32.15 | jhutchins_lt | Magical computing: repeating the same command again and again in hopes of a different result. |
| 19:32.51 | streuner_ | DelphiWorld: just create an entry in interfaces |
| 19:33.08 | DelphiWorld | streuner_: very crazy man to read :( :( |
| 19:33.53 | DelphiWorld | shit |
| 19:33.58 | DelphiWorld | streuner_: how do iexit man? |
| 19:34.06 | streuner_ | q |
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| 19:34.09 | Odaym | hello |
| 19:34.27 | Odaym | i am installing Zimbra on a Debian box, and it says that the "libgmp3" package is missing |
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| 19:34.31 | Odaym | this package does not exist |
| 19:34.48 | allisterb | hello I'm trying to update Python but emerge keeps freezing on " |
| 19:34.55 | xyan | Odaym: libgmp3c2 ? |
| 19:34.59 | Odaym | i tried libgmp3-dev and libgmp3c2, neither work |
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| 19:35.12 | Odaym | still says libgmp3 missing |
| 19:35.18 | DelphiWorld | allisterb: this is debian use apt-get no emerge |
| 19:35.33 | allisterb | oops, wrong channel sorry :) |
| 19:35.37 | allisterb | I use both |
| 19:35.47 | DelphiWorld | lol allisterb :P |
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| 19:36.38 | tnks | I've always been confused why commands like "find . -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \;" do what I want them to do, but give me a bunch of "No such file or directory" warnings. |
| 19:36.54 | tnks | I've tried to read the man page of find more closely, but I'm missing something. |
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| 19:37.05 | streuner_ | try #bash |
| 19:37.32 | babilen | Odaym: Their package is buggy and defines a dependency on a package that is not available. Aren't there alternatives for zimbra that are better supported? Can you contact their support and ask them to fix their Debian package? |
| 19:37.35 | valdyn | tnks: you need to put {} in " |
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| 19:37.46 | Odaym | ah, so it's them |
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| 19:37.51 | streuner_ | oh, you are already in #bash |
| 19:37.54 | Odaym | you've had this problem before babilen? |
| 19:38.05 | tnks | valdyn: there's a {} in there, right? |
| 19:38.11 | tnks | but I can continue this one #bash. |
| 19:38.13 | tnks | it's fine. |
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| 19:38.27 | Odaym | but hey hey, babilen |
| 19:38.29 | babilen | Odaym: Or get the source package from them, and fix it yourself. You probably want to edit debian/control |
| 19:38.30 | Odaym | i am on Squeeze |
| 19:38.36 | Odaym | they provide their Open Source version for 5 |
| 19:38.52 | babilen | Odaym: That package is AFAICT not in Lenny as well. |
| 19:38.59 | babilen | ,versions libgmp3 |
| 19:39.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libgmp3' was found in i386. |
| 19:39.01 | jhutchins_lt | !zimbra |
| 19:39.01 | dpkg | Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a <groupware> application by Zimbra Inc. ZCS Open Source Edition is not currently packaged for Debian, see http://bugs.debian.org/498316 for identified packaging issues. http://www.zimbra.com/support/ #zimbra on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:39.06 | Odaym | what is that word, babilen "AFAICT"? |
| 19:39.11 | Odaym | been hearing it often |
| 19:39.23 | babilen | Odaym: as far as i can tell |
| 19:39.26 | streuner_ | dpkg, afaict |
| 19:39.26 | dpkg | afaict is, like, As Far As I Can Tell, afaict anywayz |
| 19:39.28 | Odaym | ah ok |
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| 19:40.55 | Datz | Hi, is there someone who could help me install perl module POE::Component::EasyDBI? I get this error: http://pastebin.com/yrX70KgS/ |
| 19:41.48 | babilen | Odaym: You might want to ask in #zimbra -- Or use an alternative that is in Debian. |
| 19:42.12 | babilen | Odaym: We might be able to help you with the packaging when you can get hold of the source package |
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| 19:42.36 | Odaym | ok im asking there |
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| 19:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | !cpan |
| 19:43.42 | dpkg | from memory, cpan is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan |
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| 19:44.08 | streuner_ | Datz: many modules are already in Debian |
| 19:44.27 | Datz | streuner_: well I need at one :p |
| 19:44.35 | Odaym | i am talking to idiots in Zimbra |
| 19:44.37 | Odaym | :( |
| 19:44.37 | streuner_ | Datz: but, as already jhutchins_lt told you, you need dh_make_perl then |
| 19:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | Datz: What do you think the error message was trying to tell you? |
| 19:45.06 | PF | !Zimbra |
| 19:45.06 | dpkg | Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a <groupware> application by Zimbra Inc. ZCS Open Source Edition is not currently packaged for Debian, see http://bugs.debian.org/498316 for identified packaging issues. http://www.zimbra.com/support/ #zimbra on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:45.09 | Datz | also, jhutchins_lt sorry I missed your reply, let me look back |
| 19:45.14 | Datz | -also |
| 19:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | Datz: Look at line 40. |
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| 19:46.40 | Datz | jhutchins_lt: I have. I'm not sure what I should do though |
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| 19:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | Datz: Maybe you should install make? |
| 19:47.25 | Datz | ah, ok. I though gcc would do it. thanks |
| 19:47.35 | Datz | slaps head |
| 19:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | Datz: Now this is just the next step, it may find something else missing. You could install build-essentials, but that installs a LOT of stuff, much of which you don't need for perl modules. |
| 19:49.41 | Datz | jhutchins_lt: thanks. it seems to have installed successfully now :) |
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| 19:50.10 | houms | does anyone know when 2.6.37 will hit testing? just curious |
| 19:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | Datz: You might also file an RFP for that module, there are several requests on forums 'round the net. |
| 19:50.32 | jhutchins_lt | houms: Probably won't. |
| 19:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | houms: .38 might. |
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| 19:50.56 | Datz | jhutchins_lt: ah, yea I was surprised there was no package |
| 19:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:51.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 19:51.25 | jhutchins_lt | houms: .35 and .37 have problems. |
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| 19:52.53 | houms | .37 is in sid currently no? |
| 19:53.23 | houms | any thoughts on when .38 may hit testing? |
| 19:54.12 | bzed | houms: when .38 was released, uploaded to unstable and managed to migrate to testing |
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| 19:56.55 | simonrvn | 2.6.38-rc7 hit exp. judd is a bit out of date |
| 19:57.03 | simonrvn | s,-,~, |
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| 19:58.55 | simonrvn | tried build the linux-kbuild with the build-linux-kbuild.sh from the wiki article, and it keeps puking on me "no valid kernel" or somesuch error. |
| 19:59.09 | simonrvn | tried building* |
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| 20:03.47 | houms | ? |
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| 20:07.32 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 20:08.29 | ragnar76 | i have a very serious problem. i have deleted some files on a ntfs partiton at a usb hdd. is there any chance to get them back? |
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| 20:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | ragnar76: No. |
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| 20:10.41 | babilen | Odaym: Well, you read it. There is obviously not much we can do for you now. You'll have to wait for the release of 8.0. As they also don't seem to eager to give access to their code, there is not much I/we can do. A possibility would be to run zimbra in a lenny chroot or virtual machine until they release a version that supports Squeeze. Even another option would be to use a different groupware system and preferrably one that has already been ... |
| 20:10.47 | babilen | ... packaged. |
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| 20:11.25 | Odaym | I am already on a virtual machine that is on a server that I ssh to, so i could try installing Zimbra on it to make it a mail client |
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| 20:12.14 | Odaym | their website is so rigid and disconnected |
| 20:12.27 | jhutchins_lt | !opengroupware |
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| 20:12.37 | babilen | Odaym: What exactly do you need Zimbra for? Wouldn't exim4+roundcube be an option if all you need is webmail? |
| 20:12.52 | Odaym | i was asked to installed it on that VM, these are my orders |
| 20:13.07 | Odaym | :\ |
| 20:13.07 | jelly-home | babilen: does it do shared calendars and ActiveSync? |
| 20:13.29 | Datz | When I boot I get a "fail". 1 "The mptctl module is missing. what does this mean, and how can I fix it? |
| 20:13.47 | babilen | jelly-home: Is that a requirement? |
| 20:14.01 | babilen | what is ActiveSync� |
| 20:14.18 | jelly-home | google it. |
| 20:14.35 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Microsoft-specific sync program for WinCE devices and possibly others. |
| 20:14.38 | lxs-makoto | can anybody recommend me a music player like rhythmbox but more suitable for a 700mhz/256mb laptop? |
| 20:14.56 | jhutchins_lt | lxs-makoto: amarok |
| 20:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | lxs-makoto: mpg123 |
| 20:15.12 | amphi | no idea about rythmbox, but moc is a nice console (ncurses) player |
| 20:15.17 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Thank you. Sorry, I suck at Microsoft technology. Once again: Is that a requirement? |
| 20:15.17 | lxs-makoto | hmm |
| 20:15.55 | amphi | lxs-makoto: quodlibet is quite nice, if insist on gui |
| 20:16.00 | jhutchins_lt | One would think iCalendar would be better. |
| 20:16.05 | amphi | *if you insist |
| 20:16.07 | Datz | I also get a fail indicating that /var/log/exim4/paniclog has a non zero size. The panic log states: IPv6 socket creation failed: Address family not supported by protocol. I've disabled ipv6. is there a way to stop this logging, or should I not worry about it? |
| 20:17.09 | lxs-makoto | well, if im in gui I'm normally browsing the interwebs so i want a player thats going to be able to easily play all music from one album etc. |
| 20:17.23 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: most smartphones do activesync. |
| 20:17.26 | babilen | lxs-makoto: You might also want to investigate mpd and its various frontends |
| 20:17.37 | lxs-makoto | ah yes |
| 20:17.50 | lxs-makoto | am i right in thinking that i can stream music from mpd? |
| 20:18.26 | babilen | Odaym: Ask for a Lenny VM then and update it as soon as Zimbra v8.0 is available. |
| 20:19.58 | babilen | lxs-makoto: yes, that too. |
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| 20:21.03 | babilen | lxs-makoto: See http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Browser_Stream_Setup (inter alia) |
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| 20:23.11 | ragnar76 | ok, bye |
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| 20:23.26 | msshams | what is top 5 open source mail server for linux? |
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| 20:24.12 | fbs | postfix exim sendmail? |
| 20:24.14 | babilen | msshams: exim4, postfix, sendmail |
| 20:24.21 | simonrvn | apt-cache search mta |
| 20:24.22 | fbs | lulz |
| 20:24.32 | simonrvn | or mail-transport-agent |
| 20:24.51 | Datz | on boot I see "The mptctl module is missing" is this something to worry about? |
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| 20:26.26 | simonrvn | only if you need it |
| 20:26.43 | Datz | humm, hope not |
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| 20:27.15 | babilen | msshams: popcon might also be of interest |
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| 20:27.23 | babilen | !tell msshams -about popcon |
| 20:28.12 | simonrvn | RuntimeError: Can't identify name of tarball - even though i have the tarball there, and it's correctly named, TMK |
| 20:28.44 | simonrvn | re-post: tried building the linux-kbuild with the build-linux-kbuild.sh from the wiki article, and it keeps puking on me "no valid kernel" or somesuch error. |
| 20:28.49 | fbs | im trying to install a weekly build of debian in qemu-kvm. But during the base install i get a "file:///cdrom.../Packages.gz" was corrupt. i tried both the dvd and cd version of the iso. Sha512 & md5 of both images are ok. |
| 20:30.11 | msshams | babilen: fbs, these supports only SMTP, what is your suggest for imap, pop3? |
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| 20:31.04 | fbs | msshams: courier or smth? |
| 20:31.19 | babilen | msshams: dovecot or courier maybe |
| 20:31.24 | jhutchins_lt | msshams: I like dovecot, some people like courrier |
| 20:31.30 | simonrvn | msshams: be more specific then, in your question, next time. |
| 20:31.32 | babilen | yay redundancy! |
| 20:31.41 | fbs | msshams: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ |
| 20:31.57 | dvs | !start a mta war |
| 20:31.57 | dpkg | qmail is a spam magnet! |
| 20:32.00 | simonrvn | cyrus, courier, dovecot are ones i've tried |
| 20:32.04 | msshams | do you suggest those which has smtp and pop together? |
| 20:32.06 | babilen | msshams: I would recommend exim4 as MTA and dovecot for pop3 and imap |
| 20:32.12 | simonrvn | i like dovecot best |
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| 20:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | uw-imapd |
| 20:32.29 | simonrvn | cyrus would be 2nd choice |
| 20:32.30 | abrotman | maildir storage .. thats the real kicker :) |
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| 20:33.02 | simonrvn | i got dovecot to behave like cyrus, even ;) |
| 20:33.03 | jhutchins_lt | msshams: Only one I know that does that is Exchange. |
| 20:33.19 | babilen | yeah, +1 for maildirs! |
| 20:34.14 | simonrvn | made a short little blog post about the mail_location and namespaces the other day |
| 20:34.17 | Datz | kernel packages marked by -vserver are for use in virtual machines? |
| 20:34.24 | abrotman | no |
| 20:34.45 | Datz | to me? |
| 20:34.50 | simonrvn | they have vps enabled |
| 20:34.55 | Bushmills | vserver guests don't run an own kernel |
| 20:34.59 | simonrvn | they are not *for* vps |
| 20:35.00 | Datz | ah, thanks |
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| 20:35.15 | abrotman | no sescription? |
| 20:35.17 | abrotman | desc |
| 20:35.34 | simonrvn | no, descriptions are for people who read |
| 20:35.53 | jhutchins_lt | Can you show me a screenshot of it? |
| 20:35.53 | Datz | ubuntu makes a -virtual kernel. this debian -vserver kernel packages are different? |
| 20:36.05 | Bushmills | reading is one thing. understanding what has been read is another |
| 20:36.15 | jelly-home | Datz: we don't know what their -virtual flavor is capable of. |
| 20:36.22 | Datz | jelly-home: gotcha :) |
| 20:36.38 | Datz | I believe it lacks a lot of drives |
| 20:36.45 | Datz | to decrease the kernel size |
| 20:37.02 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 20:37.22 | Datz | *drivers |
| 20:37.32 | msshams | i'm programming a social network, in this network each user can set his domain on his profile. i want to provide a mail server so users can create, manage, and send/receive mail in my network. what is your suggestion? which mail servers is suitable for this purpose? i need a lightweight mail server, moreover with no spam :D |
| 20:37.36 | simonrvn | this isn't ubuntu, or #ubuntu. we don't know what they do, nor is it relevant. |
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| 20:38.09 | simonrvn | uh, no spam? that's up to you. |
| 20:38.58 | Bushmills | msshams: spam protection is more a matter of configuration and additional stuff, not something integrated into an MTA |
| 20:39.15 | fbs | hmm, no one on the error ? |
| 20:39.34 | fbs | i also check cd integrity |
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| 20:39.41 | Bushmills | msshams: i'd say you'll end up using either postfix or exim4 |
| 20:39.41 | msshams | Bushmills: ok, what is your suggestion for mail server? |
| 20:39.42 | t0th_- | http://hussein.com.br/ |
| 20:39.44 | t0th_- | why ? |
| 20:40.02 | fbs | could the image on the debian weekly build site be b0rked ? |
| 20:40.06 | Bushmills | my preference is postfix |
| 20:40.16 | abrotman | t0th_-: why do we care ... go away |
| 20:40.18 | cmyers | Um...so I don't have /usr/lib64/libGL.so but I *do* have a usr/lib64/libGL.so.1 symlink. The libGL.so file used to be there on Debian sarge - is it a bug that it is missing on unstable now? |
| 20:40.21 | babilen | msshams: You've been given plenty of advice already. exim4 + dovecot with maildirs seems to be the consensus |
| 20:40.29 | simonrvn | fbs: did you try starting over? also, be aware weeklies have bugs..... |
| 20:40.41 | fbs | simonrvn: yeah, 2 diff isos |
| 20:40.42 | simonrvn | fbs: did you try starting over? also, be aware weeklies have bugs... |
| 20:40.42 | t0th_- | [abrotman]: ok |
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| 20:40.49 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 20:40.50 | tharkun | msshams: i would use postfix with the aditional imap server of your choice |
| 20:40.53 | simonrvn | was lagging |
| 20:40.54 | fbs | simonrvn: i guess the weekly if broken |
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| 20:42.17 | simonrvn | fbs: i meant the install, not re-burning isos |
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| 20:42.22 | fbs | its a vm |
| 20:42.31 | simonrvn | ok, nm then |
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| 20:42.48 | fbs | i restarted like 4 times now |
| 20:42.55 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 20:43.05 | fbs | i guess the image is b0rked |
| 20:43.06 | simonrvn | so it's either a repo bug, or an image bug |
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| 20:44.00 | jhutchins_lt | msshams: For no spam, do not connect to internet. Otherwise, find a method if integrating spamassassin. |
| 20:44.18 | msshams | jhutchins_lt: :) |
| 20:44.20 | msshams | ok |
| 20:44.52 | simonrvn | or any other good anti-spam program |
| 20:44.54 | fbs | simonrvn: i can open the packages.gz without problems |
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| 20:44.57 | fbs | it doesnt seem corrupt |
| 20:45.03 | simonrvn | preferably FOSS ;) |
| 20:45.11 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:45.12 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Such as? |
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| 20:45.39 | simonrvn | well people used to rave about crm114, seen others use dspam, and spambayes |
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| 20:45.57 | simonrvn | all operate on the same algos as SA |
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| 20:47.04 | mooglenorph | Hi. I've googled for "debian squeeze netbook," because I want a decent guide for configuring my system for maximum low-power usage: i don't care about speed, just battery life. |
| 20:47.18 | mooglenorph | I couldn't really find anything. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:47.53 | Bushmills | mooglenorph: powertop can give some suggestions |
| 20:48.19 | abrotman | mooglenorph: uhm, theres a website .. lesswatts.org ? |
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| 20:50.05 | jhutchins | mooglenorph: What kind of netbook? |
| 20:50.18 | mooglenorph | A lenovo s10e |
| 20:50.50 | jhutchins | Let's see what the bot thinks... |
| 20:50.52 | jhutchins | !lenovo |
| 20:50.52 | mooglenorph | And I usually install from "minimal" image, so I only have to install the x components I want... I never want gnome or kde. |
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| 20:51.04 | jhutchins | !netbook |
| 20:51.04 | dpkg | Netbooks are small energy efficient laptops, some of which are sold with Linux pre-installed. Sites dedicated to Linux on laptops can be of help, ask me about <laptop>. See also <acerone>, <clickpad>, <eeepc>, <lt1000>, <poulsbo>. |
| 20:51.06 | mooglenorph | Is there anything I should look at besides laptop-mode-tools? |
| 20:51.32 | jhutchins | !lowpower |
| 20:51.42 | kharloss | hi. i have an issue after update my debian box ( lenny) . i use a GPL solution for manage a few websites (ispcp). everything works fine until i update my box. my login page looks strange, pictures doesn`t show up, can i show here/in private my IP ; i really apreciate |
| 20:51.47 | jhutchins | !battery |
| 20:51.47 | dpkg | 's batteries fizzle out |
| 20:51.55 | dvs | he3h |
| 20:51.55 | mooglenorph | Hah! |
| 20:52.01 | mooglenorph | Aha, it has a thing on laptop-mode |
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| 20:52.04 | abrotman | lesswatts.org |
| 20:52.06 | mooglenorph | Man, this dpkg bot is amazing. |
| 20:52.16 | abrotman | is a bot! |
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| 20:52.32 | jhutchins | The abrotman bot is amazing too. |
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| 20:53.02 | dvs | it can make beer disappear |
| 20:53.02 | mooglenorph | hah |
| 20:53.06 | Bushmills | !abrotsnack |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | dvs: oddly, currently sitting in MKE, drinking a Spotted Cow |
| 20:54.01 | abrotman | yay delayed flight |
| 20:54.03 | abrotman | ! |
| 20:54.09 | dvs | see? |
| 20:54.12 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 20:57.12 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 20:57.12 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 21:00.18 | cmyers | now that things are quieted down a bit - my question from before: |
| 21:00.28 | cmyers | Um...so I don't have /usr/lib64/libGL.so but I *do* have a usr/lib64/libGL.so.1 symlink. The libGL.so file used to be there on Debian sarge - is it a bug that it is missing on unstable now? |
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| 21:00.46 | allure | hi guys. need some help with my MTA (postfix) that is refusing to receive emails for my domain. "evidences" of the crime are here: http://pastebin.com/zJybP2Tw |
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| 21:01.00 | simonrvn | cmyers: wtf are you doing, and trying to do? |
| 21:01.22 | jelly-home | cmyers: no apps should refer to, or link against the "libGL.so" name |
| 21:01.42 | jelly-home | cmyers: so, what prompts you to ask this question? |
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| 21:02.21 | cmyers | I can file a bug report jelly-home, simonrvn I am building a project called "OpenITG", which is a fork of StepMania |
| 21:02.34 | cmyers | and apparently, it totally does. It originally built in Debian Sarge |
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| 21:02.48 | jelly-home | cmyers: it built wrongly. |
| 21:02.50 | cmyers | erm, s/I can file a bug report// |
| 21:02.53 | simonrvn | okaaaay. aaah. |
| 21:03.03 | cmyers | so I should fix it to not use that file |
| 21:03.12 | simonrvn | and i agree with jelly-home there, it's badly built. |
| 21:03.23 | jelly-home | cmyers: not at runtime, no |
| 21:03.32 | cmyers | ok, so is there a reason I can say why it should be this way? |
| 21:03.38 | cmyers | like "that is not how things should be because X" |
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| 21:03.47 | cmyers | or "things no longer work that way since change Y"? |
| 21:04.05 | jelly-home | cmyers: it shouldn't. The app and the linker should link against the actual soname (probably libGL.so.1) |
| 21:04.14 | simonrvn | yep |
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| 21:04.53 | cmyers | ok, I will take this knowledge gleaned back to the #openitg channel and see if I can figure out how to fix it, thanks folks. |
| 21:06.09 | cusco | hi |
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| 21:06.32 | cusco | I recently have seen a debian installer with ability to partition disks with software raid (md) |
| 21:06.49 | cusco | tho looking at testing debian installer now, I'm not seeing that option |
| 21:06.58 | cusco | is there a specific installer module I need to load? |
| 21:06.59 | AthomIk_ | strange i find nothing about overclocking nvidia.... nvclock is for old card..... nobody use nvidia overclocking ? |
| 21:07.18 | cusco | AthomIk_: nvidia-settings allows me to change some stuff |
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| 21:07.48 | AthomIk_ | cusco what s your card ? because for me, options Coolbits no work |
| 21:07.59 | cusco | 8800gts |
| 21:08.17 | AthomIk_ | cusco: yes it a oldy card no ? |
| 21:08.19 | cusco | if I recall you need to add that coolbits option to xorg |
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| 21:08.33 | cusco | AthomIk_: its a 8800gts, two generations back, already with a g80 gpu |
| 21:08.37 | cusco | not that old |
| 21:08.46 | Arrowmaster | cusco: try using the expert install option, i know its been available in that for a long time |
| 21:09.05 | cusco | yes Im using the expert install option and in the installer modules I loaded mdadm |
| 21:09.11 | cusco | oh |
| 21:09.16 | cusco | itx the next step, configure md devices |
| 21:09.17 | cusco | dooh |
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| 21:09.25 | cusco | I thought it was under 'partition disks' |
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| 21:09.34 | AthomIk_ | cusco yes not old, but not recent, i have small gt 430 and no Coolbits option run with last drivers |
| 21:09.46 | kharloss | hi. i have an issue after update my debian box ( lenny) . i use a GPL solution for manage a few websites (ispcp). everything works fine until i update my box. my login page looks strange, pictures doesn`t show up, there is my login page httx://89.35.227.44/ |
| 21:09.58 | cusco | AthomIk_: Im sure that coolbits option must be set in xorg.cof |
| 21:10.01 | cusco | I read it before |
| 21:10.01 | kharloss | any advices ? |
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| 21:10.21 | AthomIk_ | cusco http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?24388-Option-Coolbits-1 |
| 21:10.32 | gizmore | i did rm /etc/init.d/pureftpd* and now they seem forever gone |
| 21:10.59 | cusco | kharloss: look at image url: http://89.35.227.44/%7BTHEME_COLOR_PATH%7D/images/login/login_lock.jpg |
| 21:11.00 | gizmore | also i rm the whole /etc/pureftpd ... all files gone forever. how can i fix this? |
| 21:11.09 | cusco | kharloss: is php working? |
| 21:11.14 | cusco | that sounds like a variable |
| 21:11.14 | Bushmills | gizmore: no. rm won't delete the files from your backup |
| 21:11.25 | Arrowmaster | gizmore: purge pureftpd and reinstall it |
| 21:11.37 | gizmore | Arrowmaster: thanks, ill try :) |
| 21:11.58 | cusco | AthomIk_: ok then... you should ask support for it in nvidia foruns |
| 21:12.38 | AthomIk_ | cusco yes i try to speak on nvidia forum, all man are dead in this room :D |
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| 21:13.36 | cusco | kharloss: I noticed php is working but then some variables are not set. Dunno what that software uses for technology, you better off asking them instead |
| 21:13.38 | gizmore | Arrowmaster: thanks, it worked |
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| 21:17.56 | kingsley | The source code for the new and improved version of a programming language that was such a good tool for thought that it's author won the Turing Award has just been GPLed, and is evidently now eligible for packaging. It's the "j" array processing language. See http://www.jsoftware.com/source.htm |
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| 21:18.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | yay? |
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| 21:19.28 | marienz | running sid, I'm seeing some rather annoying screen corruption that seems to limit itself to fixed-width fonts (urxvt, emacs). See http://marienz.net/m/zalgo.png . Has anyone else seen this? |
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| 21:20.08 | jhutchins | marienz: That would be entirely dependent on your display hardware, drivers, and configuration. |
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| 21:20.23 | marienz | jhutchins: that's what I'm trying to find out (if anyone not using an r300 is seeing the same thing) |
| 21:20.31 | cusco | what gfx? |
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| 21:21.02 | marienz | radeon (r300) driver, RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] |
| 21:21.15 | cusco | using dkms? |
| 21:21.17 | marienz | if you want my Xorg.0.log or dmesg just ask |
| 21:21.24 | cusco | ow nvm |
| 21:21.24 | marienz | it defaults to kms, yes |
| 21:21.26 | cusco | dunno |
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| 21:22.56 | ctoon | is there a possibility to make write protect some selective o office spread sheet colums in a sheet ? and secondly if a cell (which is not write protected) is edited. it turns its color. ? |
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| 21:23.42 | Bushmills | ctoon: check out chattr if you're using ext2/3/4, other than simply chmod'ding the file |
| 21:23.55 | Bushmills | oh. "column"...sry |
| 21:24.07 | karsten-nr | ctoon: Ask in an OO.org channel. |
| 21:24.39 | cusco | lol |
| 21:25.01 | karsten-nr | ctoon: #Openoffice.org prolly. |
| 21:26.59 | kharloss | hi. i have an issue after update my debian box ( lenny) . i use a GPL solution for manage a few websites (ispcp). everything works fine until i update my box. my login page looks strange, pictures doesn`t show up, there is my login page httx://89.35.227.44/ any advices ? |
| 21:28.12 | cusco | kharloss: you're better off asking ispcp guys |
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| 21:30.06 | kharloss | cusco, actually just 5 members on this chan, and my problem is after i upgraded my debian ... |
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| 21:31.15 | ug768 | On squeeze, when modprobing the brcm80211 driver (for a BCM4313 chip), hard lockup, no ALT+SYSReq reboot allowed |
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| 21:34.13 | chrissbx | Wow, I've got some super weird wifi networking problem: out of the blue suddenly I just cannot make any ssh nor https connections anymore from/to my laptop. |
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| 21:34.34 | chrissbx | But http connections work just fine, and pre-existing ssh connections also work fine. |
| 21:34.40 | chrissbx | Ping normal, no kernel messages. |
| 21:34.44 | gizmore | euh, and what is the sources list for debian5.0lenny sources (need to recompile/patch pureftpd) |
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| 21:35.02 | chrissbx | I did no package installations, no iptables fiddling, nothing. |
| 21:35.53 | chrissbx | ssh connection attempts take about 1-2 minutes then say "connection closed by $ipofserver" |
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| 21:36.25 | chrissbx | Next best guess I have is that the wifi router just broke, but how weirdly. |
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| 21:37.47 | chrissbx | (I'm 1m besides the wifi router, too, so signal strenght can't be the reason) |
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| 21:42.22 | jhutchins | chrissbx: Not necessarily true, and it could be interference. Perhaps just reset the wifi? |
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| 21:43.16 | chrissbx | I've powercycled the wifi router, things are back to normal. |
| 21:43.26 | chrissbx | So yes I think the router hung itself up somehow. |
| 21:44.02 | chrissbx | (but why would it care whether the connection was http or https? heh) |
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| 21:46.18 | dbbolton | chrissbx: paranoia |
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| 21:48.12 | chrissbx | (It's openwrt, just doing bridging, only change from default config being the admin interface IP.) |
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| 21:50.36 | ug768 | does knetworkmanager manage wired connections correctly? |
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| 21:52.43 | |_ | hi |
| 21:53.14 | simonrvn | oh please, change the nick |
| 21:53.47 | mrdeb | who |
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| 21:53.58 | simonrvn | mr. |_ there |
| 21:54.18 | babilen | or mrs. |_ |
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| 21:55.26 | mrdeb | dont know |
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| 22:00.02 | mrdeb | is ext4 stable at this point? |
| 22:00.19 | mrdeb | would you trust your critical files to it |
| 22:00.24 | dbbolton | mrdeb: i wouldn't use it for a root file system |
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| 22:00.59 | |_ | i stay with ext3 |
| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | mrdeb: given regular backups and a noncritical machine like a workstation, perhaps |
| 22:01.20 | dbbolton | for one, it performs pretty terribly with small files |
| 22:01.30 | Bushmills | mrdeb: yes, as of "critical files" would exist backups anyway |
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| 22:01.57 | |_ | did the reiserfs guy really kill someone and dwells in jail? heard this times ago but never asked |
| 22:01.59 | mrdeb | and ext4 doesnt just corrupt files |
| 22:02.06 | mrdeb | and is as stable as ntfs |
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| 22:02.08 | jelly-home | mrdeb: so I would not use it as a destionation for the aforementioned backups |
| 22:02.27 | dbbolton | |_: jfgi |
| 22:02.36 | metamurks | |_: yeah. got conficetd too |
| 22:02.58 | jelly-home | |_: that's not really ontopic here |
| 22:03.09 | mrdeb | are you serious |
| 22:03.11 | mrdeb | he's in jail |
| 22:03.20 | |_ | mm sorry |
| 22:03.34 | jelly-home | mrdeb: yes. Please go to #debian-offtopic to discuss that situation. |
| 22:03.45 | Bushmills | or query google about it |
| 22:03.58 | |_ | it just came to mind upon the file-system question |
| 22:04.11 | mrdeb | jelly-home: i will close my mouth on it |
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| 22:04.40 | jelly-home | ext4 tended to spontaneously error an remount-ro for me |
| 22:04.45 | jelly-home | s/an/and/ |
| 22:05.07 | mrdeb | what does that mean |
| 22:05.16 | jelly-home | exactly what it says |
| 22:05.34 | mrdeb | you cant write to your files after? |
| 22:05.38 | mrdeb | and have to reboot? |
| 22:05.50 | jelly-home | Merely to umount and fsck. |
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| 22:06.08 | mrdeb | complicated |
| 22:06.13 | jelly-home | which can be problematic on a root fs, and ona production machine |
| 22:06.14 | |_ | i like the solaris fs a lot |
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| 22:06.29 | mrdeb | so when i tell people to switch to a deb based system |
| 22:06.43 | mrdeb | will they trust me when i say it's stable |
| 22:06.43 | mrdeb | that's why i ask about ext4 |
| 22:07.02 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a FS war |
| 22:07.02 | dpkg | Sigh, just use ext3 already. |
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| 22:07.09 | jelly-home | !botsnack |
| 22:07.09 | dpkg | aw, gee, jelly-home |
| 22:07.15 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a FS war |
| 22:07.15 | dpkg | ext4 will eat all your data!! |
| 22:07.25 | streuner_ | lol |
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| 22:07.31 | mrdeb | isnt ext4 faster |
| 22:07.36 | jelly-home | the former was an excellent answer |
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| 22:07.51 | jelly-home | "if you have to ask, use ext3" |
| 22:07.53 | wildc4rd | evenin |
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| 22:07.56 | |_ | if you had to tell people to use deb they will certainly go good with ext3 |
| 22:07.59 | streuner_ | dpkg, literal start a fs war |
| 22:07.59 | dpkg | "start a fs war" is "<reply>((UFS|FFS|XFS|JFS|ReiserFS|Reiser4|ext3|ext4|FAT|UDF|NTFS|Btrfs) (uses too much overhead!|is too slow!|will eat all your data!!)|Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency!|Sigh, just use ext3 already.)" |
| 22:08.08 | mrdeb | what makes you think ext3 is more stable? |
| 22:08.19 | |_ | unless i never tried the 2tera+ discs on it |
| 22:08.21 | jelly-home | ... |
| 22:08.34 | jelly-home | mrdeb: 11 years of experience with it? |
| 22:08.42 | |_ | i just dont collect much data |
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| 22:08.55 | streuner_ | mrdeb: i prefer JFS ;-) |
| 22:09.03 | bpgoldsb | Anyone know how to find out what package added a user to my system? |
| 22:09.10 | bgat | I have a chroot for a foreign filesystem installed in a subdirectory on my workstation; is there a way to convince my workstation's dpkg to list the chroot's package database? |
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| 22:09.16 | mrdeb | experience isnt a supportable reason though. you'd have to outline specific examples backed up by tests with file operations. i dont know if anyone has done that |
| 22:09.27 | mrdeb | no offense |
| 22:09.54 | streuner_ | bpgoldsb: hum, it should be a preinstal thingie... |
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| 22:10.21 | streuner_ | bpgoldsb: some script which did that |
| 22:10.24 | |_ | there are surely tests on that at any informatic faculty at random university .. just ask |
| 22:10.24 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: Chroot to it. |
| 22:10.52 | bpgoldsb | streuner_: I figured I could dig through the debs pretty easily, if I have to |
| 22:10.54 | |_ | it's a typical scene for a master degree work for example |
| 22:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: If those are your criteria, go forth and google them. What you'll get here is good experience. |
| 22:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: Unless you're using very large files and/or filesystems there is no advantage to ext4. |
| 22:11.41 | jelly-home | mrdeb: sure, I can do that if you pay the hours. |
| 22:11.51 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: it's a foreign filesystem. I could use qemu-arm-static, but it seems like I should be able to pass a parameter to tell dpkg that "your databases are over there, and not in the usual place"... |
| 22:11.51 | jhutchins_lt | bpgoldsb: What user? |
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| 22:12.23 | bgat | x86 workstation, armel filesystem that has the dpkg database I'm interested in |
| 22:12.40 | |_ | besides ZFS maybe |
| 22:12.43 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: If it's a foreign filesystem what does chroot have to do with it? |
| 22:13.04 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: you are the one who said to chroot to it, not me :) |
| 22:13.15 | bpgoldsb | jhutchins_lt: Users: libvirt-qemu, haldaemon, messagebus, kvm. Groups: libvirtd, messagebus, haldaemon. I certainly know what realm of packages (libvirt, dbus, hal, qemu-kvm) they come from. But I would like to pinpoint the *specific* pacakge |
| 22:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: [16:09] <bgat> I have a chroot for a foreign filesystem installed ... |
| 22:13.39 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: oops, my bad |
| 22:13.41 | bgat | blushes |
| 22:13.46 | bgat | I did say that, didn't I? :) |
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| 22:14.13 | bgat | I guess what I *meant* to say was "I have a foreign filesystem installed in a directory tree on my workstation" :) |
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| 22:14.24 | jhutchins_lt | So you didn't really mean a chroot, you meant that it's a whole system on a foreign filesystem. |
| 22:14.33 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: yep |
| 22:14.55 | bgat | ... though through the magic that is qemu-arm-static, I *can* chroot to it... kinda. |
| 22:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: dpkg would have to be able to read it, that would mean it would have to mount it. Can it be mounted? |
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| 22:15.58 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: I'm still not being clear. The filesystem started out life as a tarball, and I just untarred it onto my workstation. The "foreign" part is that all the binaries in that filesystem are armel, not x86 |
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| 22:16.24 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: Ah. So it's on your native filesystem. Ok. |
| 22:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: However, we're both pretty sure that if you chrooted a x86 kernel into it and it tried to call an armel library, hilarity would ensue. |
| 22:17.03 | bgat | yep :) |
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| 22:17.36 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: I belive you can tell dpkg that it's database root/files are in a specific location. |
| 22:17.53 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: music to my ears! can you recall the particulars? |
| 22:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: So you would tell it <alternate files> and query. |
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| 22:18.14 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: I recall that the particulars are mentioned in the manpage. |
| 22:18.17 | mrdeb | is debian 6 going to upgrade to a newer kernel eventually? |
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| 22:18.34 | jelly-home | too early to tell |
| 22:18.42 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: I'll check there again. holdonasec. |
| 22:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: There will probably be a backport, but currently there aren't any candidates. .35 and .37 both have problems. |
| 22:18.49 | streuner_ | mrdeb: sure, if you upgrade from squeeze |
| 22:19.04 | ug768 | what does this mean from "iwlist scan": "eth1 failed to read scan data: invalid argument"? |
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| 22:19.28 | streuner_ | eth1 doesnt sound like a wifi device |
| 22:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | streuner_: If he upgrades from squeeze won't he be in Debian 7? |
| 22:19.37 | streuner_ | Debian 7? |
| 22:19.43 | mrdeb | jhutchins_lt: what problems does .35 have |
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| 22:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:20.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 22:20.19 | streuner_ | ug768: it seems to me, that you dont configure wifi on your box right |
| 22:20.22 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: Note that it's no longer listed. |
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| 22:21.10 | ug768 | streuner_: I installed the wl driver which supports my BCM4313 chipset, and "iwconfig" seems to work correctly. |
| 22:21.14 | streuner_ | ug768: How did you configure wifi at all? |
| 22:21.19 | mrdeb | jhutchins_lt: then why does ubuntu for example use .35 in 10.10 ? |
| 22:21.21 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:21.26 | mrdeb | what's wrong with it |
| 22:21.29 | jhutchins_lt | ug768: Either something else is using the interface (wicd, network manager), or you don't have the right driver/firmware. |
| 22:21.31 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals bcm4313 |
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| 22:21.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bcm4313' by value (6): wl ;; brcm80211 ;; bcm4313 ;; bcm4727 ;; 4313 ;; b43. |
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| 22:21.34 | Some_Person | Is there any way to tell who sent a particular email? |
| 22:21.58 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: Because ubuntu uses unstable broken packages on a regular basis, and because the ubuntu .35 kernel is NOT the Debian .35 kernel. |
| 22:22.11 | mrdeb | what's the size of the typical desktop install with DE on d6? im working with a 4gb hdd netbook |
| 22:22.15 | streuner_ | ug768: /msg dpkg bcm4313 |
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| 22:22.28 | mrdeb | jhutchins_lt: so they modify the kernel? |
| 22:22.38 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: Yes. As do all the distros. |
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| 22:22.59 | mrdeb | jhutchins_lt: i was notaware of it |
| 22:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: Now you are. |
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| 22:23.17 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: hmmm. --admindir=<dir>? "Change default administrative directory, ... Defaults to /var/lib/dpkg" |
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| 22:23.31 | mrdeb | until i forget |
| 22:23.33 | ug768 | streuner_: I have tried the brcm80211 driver, but it immediately locks my system (with no alt+sysrq keys) when I do modprobe |
| 22:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: Both .35 and .37 had performance issues, not sure what other issues they had but they never made it out of unstable so... |
| 22:23.44 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: --root=dir. There, that's the ticket methinks. |
| 22:24.09 | mrdeb | well, i just know that .32 is slower in ubuntu than .35. the programs arent nearly as quick to respond either |
| 22:24.09 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: One or the other, yeah. I think I'd go with root. |
| 22:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | !ubuntu |
| 22:24.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:24.30 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: yep, that seems to work. Cool! Thanks!! |
| 22:24.49 | bgat | Anyone who says Linux is unsupported has never had the occasion to seek support. :) |
| 22:24.59 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: If ubuntu works better for you then by all means, use ubuntu. |
| 22:25.00 | bgat | ... Debian in particular. |
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| 22:25.12 | mrdeb | unlikely to live up to debian standards? lol |
| 22:25.15 | streuner_ | ug768: are you able to use another chipset? |
| 22:25.30 | muhoo | is there some way to force a usb 2.0 drive to connect on the usb 2.0 ehci bus? |
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| 22:25.37 | ug768 | streuner_: no. This card is built into my laptop. |
| 22:25.37 | streuner_ | ug768: or is that just a laptop? |
| 22:25.40 | mrdeb | jhutchins_lt: it works,but i like to experiment. which is why ive installed seveal distros that differ |
| 22:25.47 | jhutchins_lt | bgat: Then there are those simple questions you can never get an answer to - like "What are the actual current confiruration options for ltsp?" |
| 22:25.49 | muhoo | also, is there some way to eject/insert usb devices from software command line? |
| 22:26.07 | jhutchins_lt | muhoo: umount |
| 22:26.14 | jhutchins_lt | muhoo: mount |
| 22:26.23 | muhoo | jhutchins_lt: no, i mean detach it from the usb hub |
| 22:26.25 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: well, the fact that "ltsp" is a pretty nebulous term doesn't help... |
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| 22:26.41 | bgat | jhutchins_lt: that's kind of like asking what the current configurations are for the Linux kernel |
| 22:26.44 | streuner_ | ug768: have you tried linuxlaptops.org yet? |
| 22:26.45 | jhutchins_lt | muhoo: umount unmounts it. Physically removing it detatches it from the hub, |
| 22:26.59 | mrdeb | what are the main advantages of using debian 6 over ubuntu |
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| 22:27.06 | muhoo | jhutchins_lt: my question was/is: is ther any way to detach it from the hub without physically removing it? |
| 22:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: You get support here. |
| 22:27.17 | bgat | mrdeb: I find ubuntu to be something like debian with mittens on :) |
| 22:27.31 | streuner_ | ug768: if there arent any trics or workarounds i would just use some USB stuff about wifi |
| 22:27.34 | mrdeb | ok |
| 22:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | !why debian |
| 22:27.43 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 22:27.44 | streuner_ | ug768: which is supported |
| 22:27.44 | mrdeb | they provide support in their channel too |
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| 22:27.54 | yassine | hi folks |
| 22:28.03 | bgat | mrdeb: on the other hand, ubuntu doesn't seem to have any problems with offering the stuff that debian usually redirects to debian-multimedia |
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| 22:28.37 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: Not to feed the troll, but we constantly have ubuntu users here who can't get help in #ubuntu. |
| 22:28.44 | wolfric | What would be the difference in installing lenny fresh and upgrading to squeeze and upgrading to squeeze fresh? |
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| 22:28.52 | mrdeb | jhutchins_lt: i know |
| 22:28.59 | muhoo | freshed squeezed is tastier |
| 22:29.01 | bgat | thanks, everyone! see you later |
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| 22:29.12 | muhoo | has more pulp |
| 22:29.16 | mrdeb | all right, im gonna install d6 on here and bbl |
| 22:29.16 | wolfric | Would there be any left over files or programs that would be undeeded? |
| 22:29.22 | mrdeb | what hte heck anyway |
| 22:29.25 | ug768 | streuner_: this sucks |
| 22:29.28 | ug768 | :( |
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| 22:29.34 | yassine | anyone using dovecot here could help me identify the reason why my dovecot does consider the value set in the first_valid_uid = 1001 and complaining about the "user xx@yy not allowed to log in using too low UNIX UID 8(mail)" |
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| 22:29.38 | wolfric | not needed rather |
| 22:30.01 | jelly-home | wolfric: we don't know what's your set of needed software |
| 22:30.02 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, Ubuntu has B*I*G*G*E*R V*E*R*S*I*O*N N*U*M*B*E*R*S, so if that turns you on... |
| 22:30.03 | ug768 | Supposedly 2 drivers support my wifi card, but neither are working |
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| 22:30.39 | muhoo | how can i force a usb 2.0 device to attach to the usb 2.0 bus. it insists on attaching to usb 1.1 hub |
| 22:30.54 | muhoo | rmmod uhci, maybe? |
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| 22:30.59 | jelly-home | wolfric: _ideally_ an upgrade would keep your set of initially+manually installed packages and nothing more, but in practice a little cruft remains |
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| 22:31.05 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: The main difference would be that starting with lenny would take twice as long. Other than that, apt-get does a pretty good job. |
| 22:32.00 | wolfric | performance wise in what programs would be left running, would it be the same? |
| 22:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: If not, we'd love to have you report the difference. |
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| 22:34.21 | wolfric | jhutchins_lt: i take it then any old libraries or conf files are removed? What about old kernel modules that are in a different repository such as the ones that were put into the non free firmware |
| 22:35.06 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: As long as it's an unmolested lenny install - no moving files around or installing third-party software - it should be a clean upgrade. |
| 22:35.17 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Again, any reports of differences would be appreciated. |
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| 22:40.17 | SimonJai | hey guys |
| 22:40.43 | SimonJai | i accidently uninstalled apt =/ |
| 22:40.51 | streuner_ | lol |
| 22:40.55 | SimonJai | how do i reinstall it without formatting |
| 22:41.02 | tech13 | do you still have dpkg? |
| 22:41.02 | SimonJai | yes i know... it's really dumb |
| 22:41.04 | SimonJai | >< |
| 22:41.04 | streuner_ | good question |
| 22:41.05 | SimonJai | yes i do |
| 22:41.12 | SimonJai | luckily |
| 22:41.18 | SimonJai | but i am on .... etc |
| 22:41.20 | jelly-home | SimonJai: which debian release are you using? |
| 22:41.20 | SimonJai | etch* |
| 22:41.21 | SimonJai | >< |
| 22:41.22 | tech13 | go to debian.org, download the apt package, dpkg -i apt-package.deb |
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| 22:41.25 | streuner_ | packages.debian.org and just download it |
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| 22:41.35 | SimonJai | etch has been superceded |
| 22:41.38 | SimonJai | will it still work? |
| 22:41.46 | streuner_ | heh |
| 22:41.53 | jelly-home | SimonJai: get the appropriate .deb file from http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 22:41.55 | SimonJai | yeh i know, it just gets better |
| 22:42.00 | streuner_ | what kind of games do you play? |
| 22:42.05 | SimonJai | i was hoping you woldn't say that jelly |
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| 22:42.13 | tech13 | find an old old mirror. or I may have an old iso left over that I haven't thrown away yet. |
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| 22:42.19 | SimonJai | game is screw up a linux server and see who can make it work again the fastest |
| 22:42.29 | streuner_ | tzz |
| 22:42.32 | SimonJai | >< |
| 22:42.37 | |_ | belnet holds old files |
| 22:42.38 | jelly-home | SimonJai: okay then, find a consultant and pay them to fix your machine. |
| 22:42.41 | streuner_ | you surely have too much time |
| 22:42.42 | SimonJai | =( |
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| 22:42.57 | SimonJai | soooooo many dependencies |
| 22:43.02 | SimonJai | gonna kill my day |
| 22:43.08 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 22:43.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 22:43.37 | flo` | hi |
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| 22:43.50 | flo` | is there a way to remove a package from the database without deleting its files? |
| 22:43.58 | courpse | How do i set the s in srwxrwxrwx? |
| 22:44.00 | SimonJai | aight |
| 22:44.00 | streuner_ | heh |
| 22:44.02 | jelly-home | flo`: why do you want to do that? |
| 22:44.03 | SimonJai | let me have a look at the packages |
| 22:44.25 | chomwitt | in debian squeeze trying to install mariadb 5.2(not in official repositories) i get a conflict with mysql-core used by aconandi. what can i do? |
| 22:44.26 | streuner_ | flo`: that sounds werid |
| 22:44.34 | SimonJai | OMG |
| 22:44.36 | SimonJai | FIXED!!! |
| 22:44.42 | SimonJai | thank you jelly-home |
| 22:44.46 | SimonJai | WOOOOOOOO |
| 22:44.47 | SimonJai | I WIN! |
| 22:44.52 | flo` | i want to play around with a certain pkg without havng to fear that some upgrade breaks my changes |
| 22:45.06 | streuner_ | flo`: /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:45.09 | |_ | ftp://ftp.belnet.be/ |
| 22:45.15 | jelly-home | SimonJai: read what the bot says: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 22:45.16 | courpse | How do i set the s in srwxrwxrwx? |
| 22:45.22 | flo` | of course, a clean way would be to extract the contents and create my own package with my changes. but only for fiddling... |
| 22:45.27 | Mad-Scientist | chmod +s |
| 22:45.32 | courpse | lol? really. |
| 22:45.38 | Mad-Scientist | chmod 4755 |
| 22:45.44 | Mad-Scientist | er no |
| 22:45.46 | Mad-Scientist | I forget |
| 22:45.55 | Mad-Scientist | 4 = setuid 2 = setgid 1 = sticky |
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| 22:46.05 | jelly-home | courpse: the first letter denotes which file type the directory entry is. "-" means a normal file. "d" means a directory. "s" is a socket. |
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| 22:46.32 | courpse | yeah, im trying to set a mux file correctly. |
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| 22:47.27 | Mad-Scientist | you use mknod to make device files, but what about sockets and FIFOs ? |
| 22:47.43 | SimonJai | oh dear |
| 22:47.48 | SimonJai | no apt-get install |
| 22:47.49 | SimonJai | lol..... |
| 22:48.01 | Mad-Scientist | uh oh |
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| 22:48.05 | Mad-Scientist | do you have dpkg? |
| 22:48.10 | SimonJai | yeh i do |
| 22:48.15 | SimonJai | reinstalling it all now |
| 22:48.19 | Mad-Scientist | what happened to apt-get? |
| 22:48.26 | SimonJai | accidently uninstalled it |
| 22:48.31 | SimonJai | sick game, i know |
| 22:48.41 | jelly-home | courpse: the server app should do it. man 7 unix |
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| 22:48.47 | Mad-Scientist | dpkg --install apt-get-whatever.deb |
| 22:48.48 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Mad-Scientist |
| 22:48.57 | flo` | when i used lenny and i changed a file, the change was hold in the RAM for some seconds and then written |
| 22:49.10 | Mad-Scientist | dpkg blame Mad-Scientist |
| 22:49.10 | dpkg | blames cjns3274 and Mad-Scientist for the end of life as we know it |
| 22:49.12 | flo` | with squeeze, the write happens immediately. how can i restore the old behaviour? |
| 22:49.47 | Mad-Scientist | I think it has always been that way flo` |
| 22:49.59 | Mad-Scientist | You can run sync right after to flush it |
| 22:50.07 | Mad-Scientist | or open the file with a special flag |
| 22:50.11 | flo` | i do _not_ want a flush right after writing |
| 22:50.20 | flo` | i do have such a flush, but i want it go away |
| 22:50.27 | Mad-Scientist | So what do you want to do? |
| 22:50.48 | flo` | i want, for example, echo foo > /tmp/foo, and see my HD light NOT being active |
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| 22:50.59 | jelly-home | flo`: what are the mount options for the fs that file exists on? |
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| 22:51.13 | Mad-Scientist | Oh I see |
| 22:51.19 | jelly-home | flo`: verify there's no "sync" option, in particular |
| 22:51.27 | Mad-Scientist | There is a setting that adjusts how long things stay in ram somewhere |
| 22:51.29 | flo` | jelly-home, uhm. hard to say, it's mounted by the initramfs |
| 22:51.30 | nvz | Mad-Scientist: sockets: bind and unlink fifo: mkfifo |
| 22:51.34 | Mad-Scientist | maybe you can turn on laptop-mode |
| 22:51.38 | flo` | jelly-home, how can i find out? |
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| 22:51.48 | jelly-home | flo`: find it in /proc/mounts |
| 22:51.49 | flo` | mount only tells me rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 22:51.49 | Mad-Scientist | nvz, thx |
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| 22:52.00 | SimonJai | OMG |
| 22:52.03 | SimonJai | IT'S ALIVE!!!! |
| 22:52.04 | SimonJai | woooooooo |
| 22:52.04 | SimonJai | :D |
| 22:52.06 | SimonJai | thanks guys! |
| 22:52.10 | nvz | Mad-Scientist: fifo are also known as named pipes and there are a number of ways to do it |
| 22:52.13 | flo` | /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-squeezeroot / ext3 rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=0,data=writeback 0 0 |
| 22:52.33 | nvz | Mad-Scientist: sounds to me like you need to learn apropos.. cause something tells me you get curious often |
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| 22:52.51 | Mad-Scientist | umm yes |
| 22:52.54 | jelly-home | flo`: those won't force writes immediately to disk. |
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| 22:53.17 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, how long do you want things buffered in ram? |
| 22:53.18 | jelly-home | er. _none of_ those, even |
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| 22:53.54 | flo` | Mad-Scientist, some seconds up to 30 minutes (if the HD is powered down atm) |
| 22:54.09 | SimonJai | how do you reinstall a pcakage? |
| 22:54.17 | SimonJai | apt-get install --reinstall package ? |
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| 22:54.57 | jelly-home | SimonJai: what are you trying to accomplish, exactly |
| 22:55.04 | flo` | strange: touching a file doesn't cause immediate disk access. echoing to a file does cause access |
| 22:55.07 | SimonJai | i'm just trying to install nfs-common |
| 22:55.11 | flo` | why? and how can i turn that off? |
| 22:55.24 | jelly-home | SimonJai: so just install it. |
| 22:55.26 | SimonJai | looooong story |
| 22:55.27 | SimonJai | dw |
| 22:55.30 | SimonJai | i'll figure it uot |
| 22:55.48 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, have you tried laptop mode? |
| 22:55.56 | flo` | it's set to five |
| 22:56.23 | Iridos | dpkg, nickometer |_ |
| 22:56.25 | dpkg | '|_' is 24.000% lame, iridos |
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| 22:56.45 | Mad-Scientist | dpkg, nickometer Mad-Scientist |
| 22:56.46 | dpkg | 'Mad-Scientist' is 0.000% lame, mad-scientist |
| 22:56.50 | jelly-home | SimonJai: why do you think you need to reinstall that package? Please paste the output of "dpkg -l libc6 nfs-common|tail -2" |
| 22:56.56 | flo` | dpkg, nickometer flo` |
| 22:56.56 | Mad-Scientist | dpkg, nickometer Iridos |
| 22:56.57 | dpkg | 'flo`' is 14.000% lame, flo` |
| 22:57.04 | flo` | huh? |
| 22:57.16 | Mad-Scientist | dpkg, nickometer Iridos |
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| 22:57.17 | dpkg | 'Iridos' is 0.000% lame, mad-scientist |
| 22:57.24 | Iridos | (sorry, this really belonged in #debian-offtopic, but that doesn't have dpkg) |
| 22:57.27 | jelly-home | !msg the bot |
| 22:57.27 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help>. Browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ |
| 22:57.56 | itchi | got bells here with all that :P |
| 22:58.03 | SimonJai | jelly-home: |
| 22:58.04 | SimonJai | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:58.05 | SimonJai | ii nfs-common 1.0.10-6+etch.1 NFS support files common to client and serve |
| 22:58.09 | flo` | okay :) so b2t: why does my system sync some sort of disk-access immediately? |
| 22:58.17 | flo` | dirty_writeback_centisecs is set to 1500 |
| 22:58.23 | SimonJai | but when i try to mount... |
| 22:58.24 | SimonJai | mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs' |
| 22:58.25 | flo` | laptopmode is set to 5 |
| 22:59.11 | nvz | SimonJai: what does uname -r say? |
| 22:59.15 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, do you mean to say that with lenny when something was written to the disk it would sit in ram for a half hour? |
| 22:59.22 | jelly-home | SimonJai: if mount says unknown filesystem type, that means you're missing the /sbin/mount.FILESYSTEMTYPEHERE command |
| 22:59.25 | SimonJai | 2.6.18.3 |
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| 22:59.39 | SimonJai | so how to fix? |
| 22:59.41 | flo` | Mad-Scientist, well, yeah |
| 22:59.52 | flo` | half an hour is quite extreme, but several seconds are quite okay |
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| 23:00.07 | jelly-home | SimonJai: so, install apt-file, do an "apt-file update", then search for it, "apt-file search sbin/mount.nfs" |
| 23:00.15 | flo` | i've found that page explaining some stuff: |
| 23:00.16 | flo` | http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_vm_dirty_bytes.html |
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| 23:00.38 | flo` | however, i don't understand the sentence "If dirty_bytes is written, dirty_ratio becomes a function of its value". what does it mean? |
| 23:01.08 | SimonJai | `apt-file search sbin/mount.nfs` returns nothing |
| 23:01.26 | jelly-home | SimonJai: did you run "apt-file update"? |
| 23:01.28 | nvz | SimonJai: so you compiled your own kernel? |
| 23:01.31 | SimonJai | yes |
| 23:01.34 | SimonJai | nvz: no |
| 23:01.42 | nvz | SimonJai: the command is in nfs-common |
| 23:01.48 | SimonJai | that is installed |
| 23:01.49 | jelly-home | SimonJai: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:01.52 | nvz | SimonJai: you apparently lack kernel support for nfs |
| 23:01.58 | SimonJai | =( |
| 23:02.12 | jelly-home | oh, that's also an option |
| 23:02.20 | streuner_ | what sounds like a no default Debian kernel |
| 23:02.22 | nvz | SimonJai: well where did you get 2.6.18.3 then? |
| 23:02.22 | wolfric | What does dist-upgrade actually do? As apposed to just changing your sources to install a new dist of packages (ie change lenny to squeeze and apt-get upgrade)? |
| 23:02.31 | SimonJai | this is an old server |
| 23:02.33 | SimonJai | it's running etch |
| 23:02.35 | SimonJai | been running for YEARS |
| 23:02.40 | jelly-home | SimonJai: especially if /sbin/mount.nfs actually exists |
| 23:02.50 | SimonJai | it doesn't |
| 23:02.56 | nvz | yeah well last I checked debian has always had -arch at the end of a kernel version |
| 23:03.05 | nvz | and I've been running debian for 10 years |
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| 23:03.08 | gogogo2 | hello |
| 23:03.18 | jelly-home | SimonJai: did you, or a script, delete some of the files from the system? |
| 23:03.20 | SimonJai | `/etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh` |
| 23:03.24 | gogogo2 | hello guys. whois chanserv? he is annoying. i will ban him |
| 23:03.27 | SimonJai | not that i know of |
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| 23:03.42 | SimonJai | `/usr/lib/klibc/bin/nfsmount` |
| 23:03.48 | streuner_ | gogogo2: well, chanserv is a FN thingie... |
| 23:03.57 | jelly-home | gogogo2: ask that in #freenode, not here, please |
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| 23:04.18 | gogogo2 | ;/rm -rf jelly-home |
| 23:04.20 | gogogo2 | oops |
| 23:04.21 | gogogo2 | sorry |
| 23:04.21 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, aparently there is a package called laptop mode which does exactly what you want. You can set how much time it stores things in ram and stuff. |
| 23:04.28 | pickcoder | etch-n-half introduced the 2.6.24 kernel in v4.0, right? |
| 23:04.31 | SimonJai | jelly-home: my sources.list http://pastebin.com/4bWH89Xf |
| 23:04.36 | gogogo2 | i'm true hacker |
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| 23:04.54 | jelly-home | True Quiet. |
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| 23:04.58 | streuner_ | gogogo2: according to what you told us, you are just insane |
| 23:05.08 | themill | gogogo2: please take a break from #debian to learn a little about irc |
| 23:05.13 | wolfric | streuner_: don't feed the troll |
| 23:05.16 | flo` | Mad-Scientist, hrm, actually that should work without extra packages. but i'll try it |
| 23:06.02 | SimonJai | "* Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel." |
| 23:06.03 | SimonJai | O_O |
| 23:06.06 | streuner_ | wolfric: true, my bad, sorry |
| 23:06.07 | SimonJai | sht.... |
| 23:06.21 | jelly-home | SimonJai: uname -a? |
| 23:06.32 | nvz | SimonJai: yes, I told you that already.. you are not running a debian kernel |
| 23:06.32 | SimonJai | Linux MySQL1 2.6.18.3 #1 SMP Mon Nov 20 23:01:39 EST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:07.07 | SimonJai | screwed... |
| 23:07.14 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7539 |
| 23:07.33 | nvz | SimonJai: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 23:07.45 | nvz | SimonJai: choose an architecture appropriate debian kernel and install it |
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| 23:07.56 | SimonJai | will it break the server? |
| 23:08.01 | SimonJai | upgrading kernels seem dangerous |
| 23:08.03 | nvz | SimonJai: hopefully not |
| 23:08.06 | SimonJai | especially on a production server |
| 23:08.10 | SimonJai | i don't want to kill htis server |
| 23:08.16 | SimonJai | i think i'll leave it |
| 23:08.19 | SimonJai | nfs is not that important |
| 23:08.20 | SimonJai | O_O |
| 23:08.21 | nvz | SimonJai: you will have to reboot it though |
| 23:08.25 | SimonJai | nope |
| 23:08.26 | SimonJai | can't |
| 23:08.29 | SimonJai | impossible |
| 23:08.36 | SimonJai | nvm, it's cool.... thanks for all your help guys |
| 23:08.46 | SimonJai | i'll just leave it =/ |
| 23:08.55 | wolfric | from reading the man page on apt-get on dist-upgrade, it doesn't seem to do anything different than as if you changed the dist in sources.list to the new version yourself and did apt-get update + upgrade. Can anyone shed some light |
| 23:08.59 | nvz | SimonJai: ok well.. if you had fuse support it might still be doable |
| 23:09.00 | SimonJai | better same than sorry |
| 23:09.16 | SimonJai | nah dw |
| 23:09.18 | SimonJai | it's cool |
| 23:09.19 | nvz | though I don't know that you can do nfs via fuse |
| 23:09.19 | SimonJai | thanks again gu ys |
| 23:09.26 | SimonJai | gotta bounce to data centre |
| 23:09.34 | streuner_ | wolfric: well, dist-upgrade should use upgrade more clever... |
| 23:09.54 | themill | dpkg: tell wolfric about dist-upgrade |
| 23:09.58 | streuner_ | wolfric: in theory |
| 23:10.04 | flo` | hrm. laptop-mode-tools haven't helped |
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| 23:10.21 | flo` | i mean, all the settings should be okay. i don't understand why it keeps flushing |
| 23:10.22 | jhutchins_lt | streuner_: upgrade will only upgrade existing packages. dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade on aptitude) will remove superceeded packages, install new subsystems, and upgrade the kernel. |
| 23:10.23 | nvz | SimonJai: you could also try sshfs if you just need access to something |
| 23:10.41 | jhutchins_lt | streuner_: Sigh. wolfric rather. |
| 23:11.07 | flo` | dirty_expire_centisecs, writeback_centisecs are 60000, background_bytes, _ratio, _bytes are pretty high |
| 23:11.24 | flo` | i do not understand why it still flushes stuff immediately |
| 23:11.25 | streuner_ | using only update and upgrade, old farts die hard :-P |
| 23:11.43 | nvz | heh |
| 23:11.52 | jhutchins_lt | SimonJai: It is theoretically possible to patch the kernel in RAM without rebooting, but that's hardly something that's automated in aptitude. |
| 23:12.02 | streuner_ | nvz: s/farts/habits/ |
| 23:12.19 | nvz | streuner_: yeah I read between the lines |
| 23:12.35 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, because ext3 commits after 5 seconds |
| 23:12.48 | flo` | but my flushes happen _immediately_ |
| 23:12.56 | flo` | like in "immediately", not like in "in 5 sec" |
| 23:13.00 | Mad-Scientist | how much did you write to the disk? |
| 23:13.05 | Mad-Scientist | try writing 10 bytes |
| 23:13.07 | Mad-Scientist | cat > file |
| 23:13.08 | flo` | three bytes |
| 23:13.14 | flo` | echo foo > file |
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| 23:13.23 | pickcoder | that's not typical due to paging |
| 23:13.24 | kaeNa | is anybody here? |
| 23:13.27 | pickcoder | something else is causing it |
| 23:13.29 | flo` | this causes my disk to write down the stuff. |
| 23:13.32 | Mad-Scientist | ext3 will flush every 0 - 5 seconds |
| 23:13.36 | streuner_ | kaeNa: no? |
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| 23:13.41 | kaeNa | :) |
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| 23:13.41 | kaeNa | i see |
| 23:13.59 | flo` | it _always_ flushes immediately. it's not that sometimes the flush is after 3 sec or so. it's always immediately |
| 23:14.12 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, try running iotop |
| 23:14.17 | kaeNa | how to find botnet on computer? |
| 23:14.26 | flo` | it doesn't show me the guilty, i tried, Mad-Scientist |
| 23:14.40 | streuner_ | kaeNa: why? |
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| 23:14.46 | Mad-Scientist | So wait even if you do nothing your disk spins back up right away |
| 23:14.53 | wolfric | Just to clarify then, dist-upgrade is pretty much apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove? |
| 23:15.06 | metamurks | kaeNa: netstat. maybe ... ? |
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| 23:15.23 | bbtech | Can someone help me with this.... |
| 23:15.27 | bbtech | # mkdir |
| 23:15.27 | bbtech | bash: /bin/mkdir: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:15.39 | flo` | Mad-Scientist, well, not if i do really nothing. then nothing happens., but as soon as some program writes something, as soon as i enter the echo foo > foo, my disk writes it down |
| 23:15.45 | bbtech | ls -al mkdir |
| 23:15.45 | bbtech | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 47928 2010-09-04 03:29 mkdir |
| 23:15.58 | flo` | and the programs write stuff really often |
| 23:15.58 | pickcoder | flo`: how are you determining that a hardware write is happening? |
| 23:15.58 | bbtech | # whoami |
| 23:15.58 | bbtech | root |
| 23:16.04 | kaeNa | metamurks: no, i see that on my computer is botnet.. and i wanna know when it was installed and how to remove it |
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| 23:16.19 | Mad-Scientist | flo`, try changing your rootfs to ext2 in fstab and reboot |
| 23:16.25 | flo` | pickcoder, i see the harddisk light flash, i hear my HD head move into place, i see "Total DISK WRITE" in iotop |
| 23:16.26 | Mad-Scientist | to troubleshoot |
| 23:16.35 | metamurks | kaeNa: turn off LOIC |
| 23:16.46 | flo` | Mad-Scientist, i don't think this will help; it worked on ext3 on lenny |
| 23:17.19 | pickcoder | flo`: disable journaling on your ext3 partitions |
| 23:17.32 | streuner_ | kaeNa: if you have a botnet stuff installed, there is only one option, just reinstall |
| 23:17.32 | kaeNa | metamurks: what is LOIC and how to eat it? |
| 23:17.42 | kaeNa | full system? |
| 23:17.43 | flo` | pickcoder, why would it help? lenny also did use the same partitions with the same driver, and it worked |
| 23:17.47 | jelly-home | kaeNa: start from the top |
| 23:17.48 | streuner_ | sure |
| 23:17.56 | kaeNa | i need to define when it appeared on my computer |
| 23:19.42 | streuner_ | kaeNa: if you dont know, you can only pray and reinstall |
| 23:20.11 | flo` | hrm. it's not that important, and it's late... it's just that i'm pretty confused |
| 23:20.19 | pickcoder | flo`: changes in the file paging/caching? |
| 23:20.20 | flo` | i will investigate further tomorrow... |
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| 23:20.27 | kaeNa | streuner_: thanks |
| 23:20.29 | flo` | but thanks for the help :) |
| 23:20.30 | kaeNa | :) |
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| 23:20.34 | flo` | pickcoder, changes where? |
| 23:20.35 | pickcoder | I doubt the ext3 driver is exactly the same between etch and lenny |
| 23:20.43 | flo` | lenny and squeeze |
| 23:20.50 | flo` | yeah, maybe it's the new kernel |
| 23:20.51 | pickcoder | flo`: no idea.. a suggestion |
| 23:20.57 | pickcoder | ask in #kernel |
| 23:21.10 | pickcoder | or scan the changelog |
| 23:21.26 | flo` | btw, xfce's battery plugin also doesn't work, because it can't find the battery-related files in /sys/ |
| 23:21.32 | flo` | why can't it find these :/? |
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| 23:25.56 | flo` | are non-critical bugfixes which are guaranteed to not break stuff included in stable-updaetes? |
| 23:26.47 | jelly-home | flo`: no, only bugfixes deemed rather important (you might say, "critical") |
| 23:27.06 | flo` | jelly-home, even if i can guarantee they will not break anything? |
| 23:27.27 | flo` | it concerns the xfce-batteryplugin not displaying the correct time |
| 23:27.36 | flo` | can be fixed by changing two filenames in the source |
| 23:28.02 | jelly-home | flo`: I give 90% chance it won't be acted upon for stable. |
| 23:28.33 | jelly-home | file a bug with a patch attached and see what happens |
| 23:28.37 | flo` | pity. well, the bug is fixed upstream, i'll have to recompile the program on my own then. not a problem, but i thought others could benefit from this as well ;) |
| 23:28.44 | wolfric | In sources.list when it's htp://something/debian dist component, what can dist be here? http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList suggests it's only lenny squeeze etc but all the ones i've seen included things like updates/lenny lenny-backports. Where can i get a full list of what's available? |
| 23:28.47 | flo` | yep, i'll do this, thanks |
| 23:29.09 | flo` | is there some way to create links in the /sys filesystem? |
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| 23:30.09 | Iridos | flo`, is the kernel module that is supposed to create those loaded? |
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| 23:30.32 | Iridos | probably called... "battery" |
| 23:30.46 | flo` | Iridos, it's loaded |
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| 23:31.04 | flo` | but it creates "wrong-names" files (energy_now instead of current_now) |
| 23:31.18 | Iridos | flo`, perhaps it doesn't work with your type of battery... you can unload/load it and look in dmesg if it spits any errors |
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| 23:31.26 | Iridos | oh, ok |
| 23:31.29 | flo` | it does work, if only the correct files would exist |
| 23:31.34 | flo` | that's why i want to symlink them |
| 23:31.46 | flo` | but sysfs seems to be unable to create symlinks in it, right? |
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| 23:32.04 | flo` | this can be fixed in the xfce-plugin, which requires me recompiling it -> lots of hassle. or i set two symlinks (if that worked) |
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| 23:32.54 | jelly-home | well, if the package from squeeze fails to work with kernel from squeeze, you might argue it's completely broken ;-) |
| 23:33.32 | Iridos | it's not a real fs and the files in there aren't files, so I don't think there's any _space_ to create files (and hence no option to make them, even if they're symlinks) |
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| 23:34.11 | flo` | jelly-home, it fails to work with a squeezes kernel, yes |
| 23:34.20 | flo` | but the importance of that package is marginal |
| 23:34.32 | flo` | it's a battery monitor of a not-so-often-used desktop environment |
| 23:34.42 | flo` | and it works on half of the systems |
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| 23:34.48 | Iridos | how so? |
| 23:34.49 | pickcoder | hrm cmusieve is missing |
| 23:34.55 | jelly-home | flo`: but it's completely broken on your system |
| 23:34.58 | flo` | there are systems with current_now, and there are system with energy_now |
| 23:35.03 | flo` | yeah, correct ;) |
| 23:35.12 | jelly-home | that's a RC bug right there |
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| 23:35.15 | flo` | i'll try to get it upgraded ;) |
| 23:35.35 | flo` | well, i'll go to sleep now. it's late :) |
| 23:35.41 | flo` | cu, maybe (probably) tomorrow |
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| 23:41.57 | pickcoder | one upgrade down.. a bunch to go |
| 23:42.06 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does anybody know how I can disable ipv6 from a running system ? rmmod ipv6 tells me that the module is in use, lsmod shows this: ipv6 285920 1720 |
| 23:42.20 | pickcoder | Super_Cat_Frog: blacklist it and reboot |
| 23:42.31 | mrdeb | im on d6 now |
| 23:42.45 | Super_Cat_Frog | pickcoder: cant reboot now, its production and fallover is a manual process with this service currently |
| 23:43.08 | Super_Cat_Frog | pickcoder: but i have already blacklisted it for the next reboot |
| 23:43.08 | pickcoder | Super_Cat_Frog: you can't remove the ip6 stack unless you reboot AFAIK |
| 23:44.47 | jelly-home | Super_Cat_Frog: blacklisting may not be the correct approach, depending on your kernel/debian release. /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 23:45.14 | Iridos | mmh |
| 23:45.18 | Iridos | !disable ipv6 |
| 23:45.18 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 23:45.32 | Iridos | oh, jelly already brought it up |
| 23:45.42 | jelly-home | and now you brought it down |
| 23:45.59 | Iridos | sorry to let you down |
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| 23:46.09 | Iridos | time to pump up the jam |
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| 23:47.09 | wolfric | if i do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" does that just tell the system to drop caches currently held? Or will that stop it from caching disk caches in the future? |
| 23:47.10 | Iridos | what about /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/disable_ipv6 |
| 23:47.21 | Iridos | wouldn't putting '1' into that disable ipv6? |
| 23:47.34 | Super_Cat_Frog | Iridos: i'll give it a go |
| 23:47.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | cant hurt |
| 23:47.47 | Iridos | or am I being naïve? :) |
| 23:48.46 | pickcoder | yup that works for running setups |
| 23:48.49 | pickcoder | at least it appears to |
| 23:48.52 | ring0 | is there a way to get tabcompletition for packages when using apt-get in gnome-terminal? |
| 23:49.03 | Super_Cat_Frog | Iridos: doesn't exist |
| 23:49.13 | pickcoder | Super_Cat_Frog: for Squeeze |
| 23:49.22 | Super_Cat_Frog | oops, lenny - forgot to mention |
| 23:49.46 | engla | ring0: yes it is possible (but I seem to have lost mine :) |
| 23:49.53 | Iridos | Super_Cat_Frog, it does on a squeeze kernel... |
| 23:49.54 | Iridos | well |
| 23:50.12 | amphi | ring0: there's a bash completion package that may do that; it works here with zsh |
| 23:50.20 | pickcoder | Super_Cat_Frog: it does on my 2.6.32 kernel on Lenny |
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| 23:50.52 | Iridos | 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem here |
| 23:50.59 | Iridos | pickcoder, that's from backports, though |
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| 23:51.02 | ring0 | amphi, thanks, i'll search that package. i'm using bash here |
| 23:51.09 | Iridos | stock lenny had 2.6.18, I think |
| 23:51.11 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 23:51.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 23:51.21 | mrdeb | what do you think of fedora 14 |
| 23:51.23 | Iridos | huh, 2.6.26 |
| 23:51.29 | mrdeb | oh, sorry offtopic |
| 23:51.33 | pickcoder | etch ended with 2.6.18 |
| 23:51.46 | Iridos | oh, that's why I have that in mind... still have that on one machine, I think |
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| 23:51.53 | jelly-home | pickcoder: excluding etch'n'half |
| 23:52.14 | pickcoder | jelly-home: etch != etch-n-half |
| 23:52.20 | Iridos | ah, no, *cough* 2.4.20 *cough* |
| 23:52.41 | jelly-home | pickcoder: they are the same release! |
| 23:52.45 | pickcoder | :) |
| 23:52.55 | Iridos | wave AND particle |
| 23:53.21 | pickcoder | too much change |
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| 23:54.14 | mrdeb | exit |
| 23:55.18 | pickcoder | homeward bound |
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| 23:59.03 | ring0 | amphi, i realized tabcompletition for packages only doesn't work when logged in as root, if logged in as user it's working fine. is that by design? |
| 23:59.31 | prince_jammys | likely. see root's .bashrc |
| 23:59.36 | amphi | no; perhaps you haven't sourced the completion file as root |
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| 23:59.59 | amphi | or whatever you need to do |
