| 00:00.22 | daemonkeeper | Out of curiosity: What's the problem to update the official mirror every now and them along yours? |
| 00:00.40 | andiolsi | jhutchins_lt: i also copied a working kernel from another box, that one has the same problem |
| 00:00.53 | andiolsi | the other box uses grub-legacy, not grub2 |
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| 00:02.18 | andiolsi | but my derivated kernel with the debian .config is booting now, i guess i stripped a little too much. guess ill have to try and error until i found out what |
| 00:02.31 | _Dave123_ | does anyone maybe knows this: I run OpenVPN on a server. On the same server I have set vnc to only accept connections to vnc/localhost |
| 00:02.34 | _Dave123_ | how can I login to the vnc/localhost being on the openvpn network, is this possible some way? |
| 00:02.37 | _Dave123_ | i cannot login through ssh temp |
| 00:02.38 | andiolsi | but it has to be something basic that makes a kernel load on grub and not grub2 |
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| 00:05.58 | andiolsi | by the way, am i correct in assuming that one needs an initrd to use root=UUID=... options? |
| 00:06.22 | andiolsi | and what has to be included into initrd to get that functionality |
| 00:06.41 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: an initrd is generally a Good Thing, though I wouldn't know the specific answer to that case. |
| 00:06.58 | andiolsi | karsten-nr: what good is an initrd for? |
| 00:07.19 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: Providing your kernel with capabilities at boot which would otherwise have to be hard-compiled in. |
| 00:07.52 | andiolsi | yes but if i compile a new kernel anyway, why not hard-compile stuff in? |
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| 00:07.55 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: It greatly increases the flexibility (and configurability) of your boot process. You can update an initrd far more easily (and at lower risk) than building new custom kernels. |
| 00:08.16 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: Change one boot or hardware param, and you're up for a new kernel build. |
| 00:08.20 | andiolsi | i guess for a portable kernel with use on many different systems (like the debian installer iso) it might be helpful |
| 00:08.29 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: Initrd pretty much just hands it to you. |
| 00:09.04 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: Similarly: you can go back to defining cylinders and tracks on disk rather than using a filesystem. Depends on what your hobbies are. |
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| 00:10.13 | andiolsi | well i dont know, having never built an initrd and having almost never chaning kernels it hardly seems worth the effort :p |
| 00:10.51 | andiolsi | btw if you use the debian .config to build you own kernel WITHOUT initrd you will find yourself lacking keyboard support |
| 00:11.06 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: I've no interest in convincing you one way or the other. There's plenty of documentation on initrds and their function. Debian creates and updates them automatically. Even if you build your own kernel(s). |
| 00:11.09 | andiolsi | that one should be compiled into the kernel imho :p |
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| 00:15.23 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Initrd |
| 00:15.52 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: A few additional benefits are listed. |
| 00:16.05 | karsten-nr | andiolsi: Why _wouldn't_ you? |
| 00:16.15 | andiolsi | thanks, i really should read up on it, even if i dont neccesarily use it |
| 00:16.45 | andiolsi | karsten-nr: i guess because in 10 years i never had to |
| 00:17.32 | andiolsi | simplification ... is not really my thing unless i do/code it myself. thats why i still use debian and not *shudder* ubuntu |
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| 00:18.16 | andiolsi | although i have to say i love the idea of uuids in general, since i have to handle a _LOT_ of block devices |
| 00:20.04 | andiolsi | by the way s/^(.*)=m/# \1 is not set/ if you ever want to get a cleaner .config to start with |
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| 00:20.25 | _Dave123_ | i am root user |
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| 00:20.35 | _Dave123_ | how can i change password of my own user on system when i f orgot my login ? |
| 00:20.50 | karsten-nr | _Dave123_: passwd(1) doesn't prompt for root. |
| 00:20.57 | _Dave123_ | no i mean |
| 00:20.59 | karsten-nr | _Dave123_: Try it. |
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| 00:21.00 | _Dave123_ | I am logged in as root |
| 00:21.02 | BlackFate | _Danilo_, passwd user |
| 00:21.06 | _Dave123_ | ok thanks |
| 00:21.11 | BlackFate | damn |
| 00:21.15 | BlackFate | wrong tab :P |
| 00:21.17 | karsten-nr | _Dave123_: passwd(1) doesn't prompt for root. |
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| 00:21.46 | karsten-nr | _Dave123_: and/or RTFM :) |
| 00:21.51 | _Dave123_ | ok i RTFM |
| 00:21.54 | _Dave123_ | :p |
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| 00:28.36 | autojack | daemonkeeper: sorry, got distracted |
| 00:28.46 | autojack | daemonkeeper: the problem is that sometimes the update hangs due to a down mirror |
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| 00:29.09 | autojack | that causes automated package deploys that we do using packages in our OWN repo to fail./ |
| 00:29.44 | daemonkeeper | You could use a more reliable mirror, or your own? |
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| 00:43.04 | hap | hi. |
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| 00:44.19 | hap | anyone playing with apache/mod_rewrite/mod_dbd ? Doesn't work on my debian, I get something like : "RewriteMap: file for map myquery not found:/etc/apache2/fastdbd:SELECT...." |
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| 00:48.21 | courpse | There a quicker way than? ---> dd if=/dev/hda bs=1k conv=sync,noerror | gzip -9 > backup.img.gz |
| 00:48.28 | courpse | To backup a whole hdd? |
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| 00:48.41 | hap | looks good to me |
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| 00:49.07 | courpse | Well, to me too, but im trying to do a 200GB hdd, so i can transfer my OS to a 1TB hdd. |
| 00:49.20 | courpse | Just wondering if anyone knew of a quicker way. |
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| 00:50.59 | Ziber | courpse: why not just keep the OS on the first one, put the second HD in and use it for other things? |
| 00:51.17 | courpse | Because the first one was a loaner, else thats exactly what i'd do. |
| 00:51.25 | Ziber | ah |
| 00:52.03 | duxklr | Are both systems network connected? |
| 00:52.25 | courpse | Well, i have other comps, but the new hdd isnt in any comp. |
| 00:52.55 | courpse | I was going to to a CLI with debian install disk, and add network share of another comp with the back up img on. |
| 00:53.14 | courpse | Then restore the backup. |
| 00:55.38 | duxklr | Can you put the second disk in the computer to do the copy? |
| 00:55.45 | courpse | Yessir. |
| 00:55.54 | courpse | Hummm. |
| 00:55.55 | courpse | lol? |
| 00:56.17 | duxklr | You can follow something similar to this: http://zweck.net/txt/clone-linux.txt |
| 00:56.23 | courpse | dd if=/dev/hda bs=1k conv=sync,noerror | dd of=/dev/hdb seems more suitable? |
| 00:56.38 | duxklr | Change: root@172.16.1.33:/mnt to something like /path/to/second/drive |
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| 00:57.02 | duxklr | dd is not always the fastest tool. |
| 00:57.14 | courpse | So i found out, :/ |
| 00:57.27 | courpse | 1.5GB in 10 mins, :( |
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| 00:57.45 | duxklr | I wrote those directions up years ago, so a little has changed since then... Make adjustments accordingly. |
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| 00:58.36 | courpse | This will clone whole hdd? or only sda1? |
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| 00:59.35 | duxklr | How are you going to partition the new drive? One big root or separate file systems? |
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| 01:00.48 | f00bar | small question, I am using iceweasel and I want to install a flash player .. is there a flash player in a repo somewhere ? This is a x86_64 system and the downloads from adobe seem to only be for architecture i386 |
| 01:00.51 | duxklr | It will copy the entire drive on the source to whatever partition you mount on the destination drive. Which is OK if you have everything on a single partition. |
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| 01:02.19 | duxklr | f00bar: you can add the Debian Multimedia repository: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 01:02.31 | courpse | duxklr, I'll proberly just leave is as 1 big partition. |
| 01:02.43 | duxklr | f00bar: then search for: flashplugin-nonfree if you want the adobe one. |
| 01:03.11 | f00bar | I'll try that .. thank you |
| 01:03.26 | duxklr | courpse: then my instructions should work just fine for you. |
| 01:03.43 | f00bar | has anyone been running wheezy ? if so .. how's that going ? |
| 01:04.25 | courpse | kk, thanks. |
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| 01:18.38 | homie | fucking shit !@&%)(? |
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| 01:20.47 | homie | everytime i reload my pdf files in iceweasel, first a acroread/okular popup windows appears for a short time and then disappears, such that the file is afterwards showed in iceweasel embedded, but somehow those popup's seem like unnecessary shit ....how can one prevent that ? |
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| 01:22.04 | homie | and so it spawns acroread/okular processes for every file opened, which is a resource hog imho |
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| 01:22.55 | themill | okular has nothing to do with embedding in iceweasel, and there's no such thing as acroread/okular |
| 01:22.56 | homie | it was not related to acroread at least i found... |
| 01:23.08 | homie | read that as acroread or okular |
| 01:23.21 | homie | does not make a difference... |
| 01:23.37 | homie | as long as they both are resource hogs... |
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| 01:24.17 | themill | so what you're saying is that a particular piece of non-free, closed-source software that is not in debian (acroread) is not doing what you want. Perhaps you should tell Adobe that and not #debian. |
| 01:24.36 | homie | and what about okular then which is doing it the same ? |
| 01:25.02 | homie | don't tell me about non-free software etc... it's not related to that |
| 01:25.39 | themill | okular is opening up separate processes for each file? zomg oh noes.... all those PIDs being used up!!!one! |
| 01:25.48 | themill | Shared libraries are... shared. |
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| 01:32.36 | homie | can i restrict javascript in iceweasel say to only some pages ? |
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| 01:37.18 | WormFood | homie, try noscript |
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| 01:38.22 | WormFood | why does debian seem to break the <tab> completion in bash so frequently? Now it won't quote/escape spaces (or anything else) in filenames. |
| 01:39.08 | WormFood | I do a cd ~w<tab> (to go to my home directory), and most of the time it simply does not work anymore...it did in the past |
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| 01:40.14 | courpse | WormFood, cd ~w<tab> or cd ~<tab> ? |
| 01:40.21 | WormFood | this fuckin' shit is very frustrating |
| 01:40.54 | WormFood | courpse, ~w<tab> should complete to my directory for my wormfood account (only one starting with "w") |
| 01:40.56 | homie | WormFood: i already have noscript |
| 01:41.10 | WormFood | homie, then learn how to use it, because it will do what you want. |
| 01:41.28 | homie | WormFood: well i for example allow file:// in the positivlist |
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| 01:41.37 | courpse | WormFood, Never heard of it, cd ~<tab> completes to user account. |
| 01:41.44 | courpse | user home* |
| 01:41.53 | WormFood | it has in the past |
| 01:42.24 | WormFood | homie, are you sure you page on your hard drive isn't trying to fetch it's script from an http server you don't have access to? |
| 01:42.32 | WormFood | or is the script in the page itself? |
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| 01:44.43 | WormFood | courpse, when it works right, and you're root, you can type "cd ~w<tab>", and it will autocomplete to either ~wormfood or /home/wormfood/ (obviously my example is for my system) |
| 01:44.53 | courpse | oh, as root. |
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| 01:45.21 | courpse | noted, ~c tabs to ~courpse/ |
| 01:45.24 | WormFood | even if you're not root, it should still work if you have permission...but why in the fuck is this always broken? |
| 01:45.44 | homie | WormFood: it's only my account on youtube.com, i already placed that as well in the positivlist, but i would like to maybe set it with the rules of iceweasel if possible ... |
| 01:45.45 | WormFood | it was working great for a long time, then it stopped working fairly recently |
| 01:46.01 | homie | WormFood: i think that would be some javascript stuff itself.... |
| 01:46.18 | WormFood | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:46.27 | WormFood | copy a youtube page or something? |
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| 01:47.34 | WormFood | javascript is tricky sometimes....remember the pacman google logo....you couldn't just copy that to a file on your hard drive and use it...you had to modify it to work from your hard drive. |
| 01:47.52 | courpse | :( |
| 01:47.56 | courpse | You really tried to do that? |
| 01:48.12 | amphi | has been cursing javascript today |
| 01:48.14 | WormFood | yeah....a lot of people did |
| 01:48.20 | courpse | I know the games i play arnt that great... but pacman on that silly thing? |
| 01:48.40 | WormFood | do you know what I'm talking about? |
| 01:48.52 | courpse | I belive so, the pacman google banner? |
| 01:48.55 | WormFood | http://www.google.com/pacman/ |
| 01:49.02 | WormFood | try copying that to your hard drive and playing it |
| 01:49.17 | themill | WormFood: I know this is only a partial answer to your question, but you know that ~/ is your own $HOME and that you don't need all of ~wormfood/ to get there, aren't you? |
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| 01:49.36 | courpse | themill, He already explained he meant as root. |
| 01:49.39 | WormFood | you don't even need the trailing slash, if you just want to "cd ~", it will work |
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| 01:49.57 | WormFood | of course, if you want to reference a directory there, then you need the slash, such as "vi ~/somefile.txt" |
| 01:50.03 | themill | I would have missed that bit amongst the netsplits |
| 01:50.33 | WormFood | themill, but why is it broken most of the time |
| 01:50.41 | WormFood | it almost never works anymore, where in the past it always worked |
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| 01:51.15 | themill | WormFood: worked fine under lenny; perhaps this is a change for a new version of bash. There are a lot of knobs you can twiddle to control bash's behaviour. |
| 01:52.01 | WormFood | it seems to me that debian seems to break the tab completion quite frequently |
| 01:52.27 | courpse | duxklr, Before i start this, should i be making the other file systems as well? i have sda1, sda5 and sda6 |
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| 01:52.54 | WormFood | I feel like they're tweaking the tab completion to be more like microsoft....you know, that you (the user), is a total fuckin' idiot, and you don't know what you're doing, so we have to protect you from yourself. |
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| 01:53.26 | WormFood | like if mplayer is the command, it won't tab complete to a not video file |
| 01:53.51 | jelly-home | WormFood: that's a feature, not a bug. |
| 01:53.58 | themill | you don't have to load tab completion if you don't want it; tab completion is at fault here for tilde completion too |
| 01:54.19 | WormFood | I forget what I was doing, but I had mplayer as the command, and I wanted it to select another file, but it wouldn't do it, so I went and made the first command "ls", then it'd tab complete, and I'd delete the ls and it'd work the way I want. |
| 01:54.19 | Arrowmaster | bash finally has that feature? |
| 01:54.48 | WormFood | jelly-home, yes, I know it is a "feature"....like stopping me from doing something is a feature in Windows |
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| 01:55.08 | themill | Arrowmaster: since around potato... yes. |
| 01:55.09 | WormFood | because after all, all windows users are complete and total idiots, and they have no clue what they really want |
| 01:55.31 | WormFood | it is sad to see Linux tools take the same attitude that windows does |
| 01:55.34 | themill | WormFood: uninstall the bash-completion package and complain to /dev/null. Problem solved for all of us. |
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| 01:55.39 | Arrowmaster | guess i never noticed it before i switched to zsh |
| 01:55.52 | Joint | is there any debian sid installation ? |
| 01:55.56 | Joint | so i can install in my laptop |
| 01:55.59 | Joint | for development |
| 01:56.12 | duxklr | courpse: you will want to create and mount all the file systems that you will have on your destination drive. For example if you have root on /dev/sda1 you want to create and mount that first (mkfs.. && mount /dev/sda1 /mnt) then if you have /var on /dev/sda5 you will want to create and mount that in a similar fashion. |
| 01:56.37 | WormFood | no Joint, you can only upgrade to sid from stable or testing, unless you use an unofficial installed (which is what I would recommend, since the official installers never have firmware, which is needed by most newer network cards) |
| 01:56.54 | Joint | oh ok |
| 01:56.55 | Joint | nice |
| 01:56.56 | dvs | Joint: it's better to install stable then upgrade to sid |
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| 01:57.05 | Joint | oh ok |
| 01:57.05 | Joint | nice |
| 01:57.07 | Joint | thank you |
| 01:57.11 | WormFood | themill, I just want the bash completion to work right is all....it hinders my work for it to constantly be broken |
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| 01:57.31 | nkuttler | Joint: and make sure you have all tools you need installed before attempting the upgrade |
| 01:57.39 | Joint | yeah |
| 01:57.40 | Joint | i know |
| 01:57.42 | jelly-home | mplayer, the great productivity tool |
| 01:57.45 | jelly-home | hides |
| 01:57.47 | Joint | i am an arch developer |
| 01:57.56 | themill | Joint: running sid is not required a pre-requisite for you to do development. You'd be better of not running versions of libraries that no-one else has installed, actually, because if you do, no-one else will be able to run your code. |
| 01:58.02 | WormFood | Joint, if you're not a linux geek, and expect your system to break frequently, then I suggest you don't run sid |
| 01:58.11 | nkuttler | WormFood: you know, you can edit it or send patches.. |
| 01:58.27 | themill | WormFood: report bugs, send patches, stop whinging. You know the drill. |
| 01:58.32 | Joint | what's a good program for burning? |
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| 01:58.34 | Joint | under linux? |
| 01:58.35 | Joint | GUI? |
| 01:58.40 | Joint | for gnome |
| 01:58.43 | WormFood | Joint, nothing |
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| 01:58.52 | WormFood | everything is a front end for cdrecord/wodim |
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| 02:00.21 | jelly-home | or growisofs in dvd burning case |
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| 02:00.37 | courpse | duxklr, Makes sense, thanks. |
| 02:00.57 | WormFood | fuckin' weird....I purged bash-completion, and reinstalled it, and it seems to act right now. |
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| 02:01.20 | courpse | duxklr, All mounting all to /mnt? |
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| 02:02.00 | duxklr | courpse: yes mount / in /mnt then /boot in /mnt/boot then /var in /mnt/var (or whatever you are going to build). |
| 02:02.19 | courpse | okies, thanks. |
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| 02:13.31 | Bop_ | is there a way to suspend to ram without killing network ? |
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| 02:15.02 | s3phir0th115 | Anyone mind helping me with iptables? |
| 02:15.23 | daemonkeeper | !anyone |
| 02:15.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 02:16.09 | s3phir0th115 | Aye, k |
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| 02:18.09 | s3phir0th115 | I have "iptables -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport=6667 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.254:6667" |
| 02:18.20 | s3phir0th115 | As a port forward to allow my irc server in |
| 02:18.44 | s3phir0th115 | Problem is, when I do that, it'll allow connections in for it, but then I can't get on any IRC servers in my own network |
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| 02:19.13 | s3phir0th115 | Is there a variant I could use instead that'd only forward it like that if it was coming from the outside? |
| 02:19.34 | Bop_ | s3phir0th115, specify ethernet card |
| 02:19.45 | dvs | -i ethX |
| 02:19.54 | Bop_ | or inbound device |
| 02:20.14 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, so only add -i ethX into the command? |
| 02:20.26 | Bop_ | is your inbound ethernet ? |
| 02:20.36 | s3phir0th115 | It's ppp0 |
| 02:20.46 | s3phir0th115 | So I'd make it that I think |
| 02:20.47 | Bop_ | so specify -i ppp0 |
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| 02:22.18 | s3phir0th115 | It's saying it can't use -i with postrouting |
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| 02:22.49 | s3phir0th115 | wait, nevermind, added it where I shouldn't |
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| 02:24.29 | s3phir0th115 | Excellent, that fixed it |
| 02:24.32 | s3phir0th115 | Thanks a lot Bop_ |
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| 02:24.45 | Bop_ | ok no prob |
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| 02:25.45 | s3phir0th115 | That fixed a lot actually..... |
| 02:25.52 | man_in_shack | is numpad + in aptitude meant to turn off the automagic feature? |
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| 02:26.02 | s3phir0th115 | I had my server listening on a different port for ssh because it was forwarding it all. :p |
| 02:26.48 | man_in_shack | wait, it's not just happening on numpad + :( |
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| 02:29.45 | poopstain | hey peepz |
| 02:30.27 | poopstain | hows it goin? |
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| 02:34.05 | ratdeptrai | Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there is any revenue deal on the default search box of iceweasel as distributed by Debian? |
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| 02:46.10 | gnarface | so i'm curious about the super tiny text at the console by default in squeeze. does this mean on my (i386) pc squeeze's base install managed to auto-detect and install the appropriate framebuffer console by default? i've never had high-res text like this by default before, it always took some kernel tweaking |
| 02:46.34 | gnarface | or is it something entirely different? like a vga text mode i didn't know this video card had? |
| 02:46.46 | homie | the console ? |
| 02:46.56 | homie | you mean konsole ? |
| 02:46.58 | gnarface | no |
| 02:47.00 | gnarface | not in X |
| 02:47.03 | homie | ah |
| 02:47.04 | gnarface | no gdm running |
| 02:47.11 | gnarface | no xdm or entrance either |
| 02:47.13 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: This is evolution! |
| 02:47.14 | homie | so you mean a terminal |
| 02:47.29 | homie | well it was always high-res for me |
| 02:47.29 | gnarface | no i mean like, the boot up text output and the virtual terminal |
| 02:47.43 | gnarface | not like a terminal in a window manager |
| 02:47.48 | homie | hmm, vga=791 at least does ok |
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| 02:48.07 | homie | vga=794 is overkill here though |
| 02:48.09 | gnarface | i've messed with all kinds of vga text mode options of the like before, i've NEVER seen text this small and sexy without framebuffer drivers loaded |
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| 02:48.40 | gnarface | so i'm partially wondering what magic made this happen by default in squeeze and partially wondering what i've been doing wrong all this time to think i needed framebuffer drivers |
| 02:48.41 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: As said, framebuffer and such voodoo was yesterday. |
| 02:49.11 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: noted. can i get a sexy color penguin to go with my small text still? |
| 02:49.25 | daemonkeeper | That's the bad notice. The penguin died! |
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| 02:49.31 | gnarface | ... |
| 02:49.34 | gnarface | NOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 02:49.41 | gnarface | sobs uncontrollably |
| 02:49.43 | dvs | darn hunters! |
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| 02:51.18 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/02/msg00185.html |
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| 02:51.53 | gnarface | aah kms huh |
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| 02:52.15 | gnarface | googles kms and fails |
| 02:52.17 | gnarface | what is kms? |
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| 02:52.27 | uoods | !kms |
| 02:52.27 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 02:52.36 | Avasz | if i build a .deb package from a source in ubuntu then will it work in debian too? |
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| 02:53.36 | daemonkeeper | Avasz: Chances are, don't depend on that. |
| 02:54.01 | Avasz | daemonkeeper, ok.. so i can give a try? |
| 02:54.39 | Avasz | i will give a try |
| 02:54.43 | daemonkeeper | Avasz: Well, yes. But be prepared package dependencies can't be satisfied and/or other random mess up will occur. |
| 02:55.05 | Fudge | hi there, getting somethign on consoel when i boot along with other daemon messages, Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm3Expression 'parameters->channelCount <= maxChans' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 926 |
| 02:55.10 | Fudge | Expression 'ValidateParameters( outputParameters, hostApi, StreamDirection_Out )' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1144 |
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| 02:55.20 | Avasz | daemonkeeper, ok, thanks for the info. :) |
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| 02:55.39 | gnarface | uoods: thanks. that's interesting though... this is a nvidia card. i presume that neither the intel or radeon driver are actually doing this for me and that factoid is just out-of-date? |
| 02:56.10 | uoods | gnarface: I honestly have no clue about nvidia :) |
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| 03:00.32 | gnarface | uoods: i'm just trying to figure out how its accomplishing something that i had previously thought was beyond the physical capabilities of this piece of hardware, and doing it nicely from a fresh base install with no tweaking, no less |
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| 03:00.47 | gnarface | (agp geforce4 MX 440) |
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| 03:04.07 | uoods | I see, but without knowing how bad it was before (whether due to misconfiguring or just inherently), I don't think anyone can know for sure what improved it |
| 03:04.33 | gnarface | i'm not sure how to take screenshots at the virtual terminal |
| 03:04.51 | gnarface | i guess its not of huge importance |
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| 03:07.05 | uoods | gnarface: I think fbgrab should do it |
| 03:09.13 | gnarface | uoods: thanks |
| 03:09.31 | gnarface | ok next noob question: why doesn't ctrl-alt-backspace bail out of X anymore? |
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| 03:09.51 | moyix | gnarface: the text contents can be found at /dev/vcsX, setterm -dump N may do what you want as well... |
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| 03:10.48 | Vasistha | can anyone recommend an image viewer, which can do full screen timed slideshow, with a smooth, slow transition between slides? |
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| 03:12.38 | uoods | Vasistha: feh does fullscreen, timed slideshow at whatever time you set |
| 03:12.51 | Vasistha | uoods: thanks!! I'll check it out |
| 03:13.06 | gnarface | moyix: thanks for the info. that will be helpful in the future regardless, but i suspect both those options will not grab the graphical font size/scale etc, just the text content... or am i wrong about that? |
| 03:14.06 | moyix | gnarface: you are correct |
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| 03:14.42 | moyix | anyone know if it's possible to get debug symbols for lenny kernels? |
| 03:16.43 | moyix | (i.e., an unstripped vmlinux) |
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| 03:19.54 | homie | i don't think so |
| 03:20.25 | homie | maybe ask a debian developer... |
| 03:20.44 | homie | or compile yourself |
| 03:20.48 | homie | with -g option |
| 03:20.55 | homie | to cc or gcc |
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| 03:34.18 | Vasistha | uoods: I don't see any option for a smoothe transition... skimmed the whole manual. Do you know of it? |
| 03:35.47 | uoods | Vasistha: what do you mean by smooth transition? I guess it doesn't support it then |
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| 03:37.46 | Vasistha | uoods: I mean...fading from one image to the next. Although feh *is* better than kuickshow, which does some funky flashing thing. So I'm glad you told me ;) |
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| 03:39.12 | uoods | Vasistha: ah, so feh doesn't do smooth transition then |
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| 04:19.01 | k-man | how can i diagnose why a service in rc2.d is not starting at boot time? there is a link from rc2.d to the init.d file |
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| 04:19.45 | un214 | don't you have to run update-rc.d |
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| 04:21.28 | alexb_1 | hi all, is current version of iceweasel in lenny still 3.0.6? I've never seen any updates for it since I installed lenny 2 years ago. did i miss them or icewease didn't require not even a single bug fix? |
| 04:21.40 | man_in_shack | ok, having some trouble with approx |
| 04:21.46 | man_in_shack | it doesn't seem to be getting new packages lists |
| 04:22.16 | dvs | alexb_1: stable never gets updates, only bug fixes and security updates. |
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| 04:23.13 | alexb_1 | dvs,shoud I see security updates in synaptic? |
| 04:23.52 | dvs | alexb_1: if you have the security repo in your sources.list file |
| 04:24.07 | dvs | il |
| 04:24.14 | man_in_shack | ok, fixed it by manually deleting the Packages caches |
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| 04:25.16 | katsrc | quick question, i want to change the default port on ssh server is Port uncommented in ssh_config or left with the comment? |
| 04:25.17 | alexb_1 | dvs, it's in sources.list, but I've never seen any updates. |
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| 04:26.34 | dvs | alexb_1: If the version number has a "+lenny##" at the end, then it has a security update. |
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| 04:31.29 | alexb_1 | dvs, it says 3.0.6-3. can you take a look if you have same number ? thanks. |
| 04:31.40 | blackshirt | hay alll |
| 04:31.42 | dvs | alexb_1: I use squeeze |
| 04:32.01 | alexb_1 | ok |
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| 04:47.42 | Juv188 | anyone want in on a slice of a dedi server? 100mbit connection, your own IP, root access, ubuntu (or any debian OS) |
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| 04:48.29 | dvs | Juv188: Can you lay a cable across the lake? ;-) |
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| 05:19.55 | the|herbivore | getting 'nobody:nogroup' perms via NFS mounts after squeeze upgrade -- anyone else seeing this? |
| 05:21.56 | homie | nobody:nogroup for what ? |
| 05:22.07 | homie | for the mounts ? |
| 05:22.14 | homie | or for the daemon ? |
| 05:23.07 | the|herbivore | mounts; looks like a rpc.idmapd issue actually |
| 05:23.20 | the|herbivore | I'll do some more testing... |
| 05:23.45 | homie | ok |
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| 05:25.16 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/467631/ << interesting ... |
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| 06:00.57 | gan | how to give the grub entry to xen |
| 06:01.09 | gan | im using grub2 |
| 06:01.29 | gan | im using grub2 & debian squeeze |
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| 06:08.49 | simonrvn | you don't edit grub.cfg directly at all. |
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| 06:21.13 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 06:21.18 | WormFood | I have moved a program from an older install of debian, to a new install of debian...recompiled it without problems, but it does not work properly....had debian done something to break suid programs or something? |
| 06:21.18 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/467765/ << does this look correct? |
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| 06:21.36 | man_in_shack | it seems to me that the diversion of libGL.so.1.2 to nvidia libs isn't happening |
| 06:21.50 | simonrvn | WormFood: only thing i can think of is stack protector |
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| 06:22.23 | WormFood | I can't imagine why that would have any effect on what I'm trying to do. |
| 06:22.26 | man_in_shack | /etc/alternatives/libGL.so.1 -> /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1 << that much is correct though |
| 06:23.30 | simonrvn | WormFood: yeh, esp. since i don't know what you're doing ;p. /me has sXid progs here and they work |
| 06:23.32 | WormFood | my program is suid, so it can call a shell script with the proper uid/gid, since shell scripts are not usually allowed to be suid for security reasons |
| 06:23.51 | WormFood | it is literally a 1 line C program |
| 06:23.54 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:27.15 | WormFood | this is driving me crazy...it is preventing my mail server from working the way I want it to work. |
| 06:27.15 | WormFood | I've been fighting with this one thing for at least the last 3-4 hours....FUCK! |
| 06:27.15 | simonrvn | :( |
| 06:27.15 | WormFood | I've compared everything to my existing install that works, and everything is the same. |
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| 06:27.15 | WormFood | I can't think of anything else to check...I run my script manually, and it seems to work....will not fuckin' work from the program that is calling it. |
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| 06:28.08 | simonrvn | strace it? gdb? |
| 06:28.21 | simonrvn | seems silly, but *shrug* |
| 06:28.50 | jmarsden | WormFood: Would having the script run id and id -r show you whether the C prog is doing what you think it should with the uid stuff? |
| 06:29.37 | WormFood | well, I see on my old install the script is suid....so I'll try changing that, but I don't see how it would have any effect, since it is being called as root |
| 06:30.30 | WormFood | good idea jmarsden, I'll try that out if my next thing does nto work |
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| 06:31.02 | simonrvn | good idea indeed |
| 06:31.52 | WormFood | jmarsden, but my script immediately writes to the system log, and that is not happening, which leads me to believe my script isn't running at all....because if it was running, i would work ;) |
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| 06:34.38 | WormFood | I'm sure this is a permission or ownership issue |
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| 06:39.12 | WormFood | no, adding "id" to my scripts does not help, because the script isn't being called at all |
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| 06:39.56 | jmarsden | OK. Does the C prog check the return value of the system() or execve() or whatever call it makes? Should it? |
| 06:41.19 | WormFood | return execv(*var, var ); |
| 06:41.41 | WormFood | does not check, just returns |
| 06:42.11 | jmarsden | OK, and when you check what it returns, what value does it return? |
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| 06:43.18 | jmarsden | I'm thinking that if it returns an error code, that code might be a clue to tracking down the issue. |
| 06:44.22 | jmarsden | Ah, based on the man page, you 'll need to have it print out errno if the execv call returns non-zero to get that info. |
| 06:44.48 | WormFood | I've been running this for at least the last 4 years, without problems. |
| 06:45.14 | WormFood | now that I want to move it to a new server, it is nothing but problems. (yes, the old server is also debian) |
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| 06:48.24 | jmarsden | What that suggests is that your application as a whole is not all that portable or has a very poor/poorly documented install process :) So, stop complaining and hack the C code so you can do more debugging, instead :) |
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| 06:49.58 | gan | how to give the grub entry to xen |
| 06:50.00 | WormFood | actually, you'd be wrong about that. It is very portable, and fairly well documented. |
| 06:50.00 | gan | im using grub2 & debian squeeze |
| 06:50.09 | gan | the entries are different in grub.cfg as well it is unable to edit as like we do in grub-legacy |
| 06:50.27 | WormFood | however, I am working with a patch....but still, it works fine on my old system....won't work at all on my new system. |
| 06:50.42 | jmarsden | WormFood: OK... but if it is portable, why is it not working when ported to the new machine? :) |
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| 06:53.42 | WormFood | I don't know...that is what is pissing me off |
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| 06:54.13 | WormFood | I know how it works, what it is supposed to do....but still, it won't work for me no matter what I do |
| 06:55.50 | blackshirt | hello |
| 06:56.05 | maleserver | Hello. Under kernal 2.6.32, X refuses to start. It works fine with 2.6.26 How can I fix it? |
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| 06:57.08 | blackshirt | hmm |
| 06:57.44 | WormFood | maleserver, check you X11 logs and see what is going on |
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| 06:59.53 | jonas__ | hey , i need help with a download from a ftp backup server, it seems to big for wget /var/www2# nohup wget --ftp-user=**** --ftp-password=**** ftpback.ovh.net:all/all.tar & size when done is varying , one time 118659718 one time 118543953 |
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| 07:01.05 | man_in_shack | jonas__, transferring in binary mode? |
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| 07:02.12 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a way to tell the parallel boot that starting gdm is the number one priority? |
| 07:02.18 | jonas__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.20 | ElDiabolo | (squeeze) |
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| 07:03.42 | jonas__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.55 | jonas__ | man_in_shack: thanks for the answer:) whats your point ? |
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| 07:04.19 | RainbowW | trying to boot a gigabyte x58a-ud3r with a usb stick. it gets stuck at syslinux. where do i go to troubleshoot this? |
| 07:04.20 | man_in_shack | well, if something is causing it to switch to ASCII mode, the file sizes would be different |
| 07:04.47 | jonas__ | but not varying ? |
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| 07:05.06 | man_in_shack | no |
| 07:05.31 | jonas__ | what can that be? |
| 07:05.31 | man_in_shack | jonas__, so wget thinks it's succeeding but the filesize is wrong? |
| 07:06.16 | jonas__ | first try 118543953 second try 118659718 |
| 07:06.19 | amphi | jonas__: see if curl works any better |
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| 07:06.40 | ElDiabolo | jonas__, Is using http an option? |
| 07:07.06 | man_in_shack | amphi stole my suggestion |
| 07:07.17 | amphi | heh |
| 07:07.23 | man_in_shack | also, in a choice between ftp and http, the answer is scp :D |
| 07:07.24 | jonas__ | ElDiabolo: [07:59] <jonas__> hey , i need help with a download from a ftp backup server, it seems to big for wget /var/www2# nohup wget --ftp-user=**** --ftp-password=**** ftpback.ovh.net:all/all.tar & size when done is varying , one time 118659718 one time 118543953 |
| 07:08.14 | jonas__ | well my isp choose to provide a ftp backup server only |
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| 07:09.30 | arossouw | hi, i'm guessing that debian uses a very basic bash on squeeze |
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| 07:09.50 | man_in_shack | arossouw, /bin/sh is most likely dash, not bash |
| 07:09.53 | arossouw | if i do if [ "$VAR" == "1" ]; it doesn't work :-( |
| 07:10.02 | arossouw | ok |
| 07:10.03 | jonas__ | yay iam doing wget -c now |
| 07:10.08 | jonas__ | =] |
| 07:10.16 | man_in_shack | arossouw, == is a bashism. use = instead |
| 07:10.24 | arossouw | k |
| 07:11.04 | ElDiabolo | jonas__, If you still have both files, do a tail -c 4096 <file> | hexdump |
| 07:11.04 | arossouw | aha, thanks |
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| 07:11.23 | man_in_shack | what's the point of == anyway, i mean apart from breaking bourne compatibility? |
| 07:12.20 | jonas__ | ElDIabolo |
| 07:12.29 | jonas__ | 0000000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 * 0001000 |
| 07:12.33 | jonas__ | what does that mean? |
| 07:12.48 | man_in_shack | it means it's full of nulls |
| 07:12.55 | man_in_shack | 4KiB worth of nulls |
| 07:13.23 | ElDiabolo | to see if one has been cut off. |
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| 07:14.03 | ElDiabolo | jonas__, All zeros. |
| 07:14.25 | jonas__ | ElDiabolo: so what does it tell us ? |
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| 07:16.28 | ElDiabolo | jonas__, Very little, unfortunately. If there was something else, we could check if the file has been cut off. I would however check if these files do contain anything else but zeros. |
| 07:16.35 | ElDiabolo | Just paranoid. |
| 07:16.43 | sterna | a |
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| 07:18.05 | jonas__ | WGET ends just happily with |
| 07:18.33 | jonas__ | 118543850K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 99% 11,0M 0s 118543900K .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........100% 11,7M 0s 118543950K 100% 0,00 =5h18m 2011-03-03 01:29:42 (6,06 MB/s) - »ALL.tar« [121389004800] |
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| 07:19.18 | ElDiabolo | My tram arrives, bye ... |
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| 07:40.11 | BlackDex | hello there, i just upgraded to v6.0 |
| 07:40.20 | BlackDex | and now bind9 won't start anymore |
| 07:40.31 | BlackDex | getting: Starting domain name service...: bind9/usr/sbin/named: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libdns.so.69: undefined symbol: GeoIP_country_code_by_ipnum_v6 |
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| 07:42.07 | blackshirt | BlackDex: full upgrade ??? |
| 07:42.16 | BlackDex | yes |
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| 07:43.52 | blackshirt | BlackDex: maybe you need upgrade your libdns or compile by self |
| 07:44.05 | BlackDex | :S |
| 07:44.09 | BlackDex | what |
| 07:44.31 | BlackDex | thats not what im used to of debian :( |
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| 07:46.08 | kgoetz | BlackDex: did you install bind9 from the packag? |
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| 07:46.25 | BlackDex | yes |
| 07:46.32 | BlackDex | i even removed/installed it again |
| 07:46.38 | BlackDex | not purged, i can try that |
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| 07:48.33 | kgoetz | BlackDex: so did you reinstall libdns, or jsut bind? |
| 07:49.01 | BlackDex | both |
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| 07:49.38 | kgoetz | ok |
| 07:50.38 | jelly-home | BlackDex: dpkg -l libc6 bind9 libdns69 |tail -3 ? |
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| 07:53.18 | jelly-home | BlackDex: are versions of bind9 and libdns69 matching? |
| 07:54.57 | BlackDex | jelly: yes the are |
| 07:55.08 | BlackDex | both 9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1 |
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| 07:56.52 | iamdgp | good morning |
| 07:57.26 | cafuego | BlackDex: named is linked against geoip? wtf? |
| 07:57.31 | jelly-home | BlackDex: what about libgeoip1 |
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| 07:57.59 | jelly-home | cafuego: its not a wtf -- check any squeeze system |
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| 07:58.11 | BlackDex | 1.4.7 |
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| 07:58.43 | cafuego | jelly-home: I would, but pdo is not responding. |
| 07:58.55 | cafuego | ponders blaming ipv6 |
| 07:59.11 | kgoetz | cafuego: you don't have a mirror on your laptop? |
| 07:59.22 | cafuego | kgoetz: Ummm |
| 07:59.41 | cafuego | kgoetz: kattekrab has my laptop and the mirror won't fit on my netbook ;-) |
| 07:59.47 | jelly-home | ,depends libdns69 |
| 07:59.49 | judd | Package libdns69 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libcap2 (>= 2.10), libgeoip1 (>= 1.4.7~beta6+dfsg), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.8+dfsg), libisc62, libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27). |
| 07:59.59 | kgoetz | cafuego: hehe. guess i'll have to accept that excuse |
| 08:02.00 | jelly-home | BlackDex: that doesn't look right |
| 08:02.13 | jelly-home | ,versions libgeoip1 |
| 08:02.15 | judd | Package libgeoip1 on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.4.dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.4.7~beta6+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.4.7~beta6+dfsg-1; sid: 1.4.7~beta10+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1.4.7~beta10+dfsg-4 |
| 08:02.30 | simonrvn | ldd /usr/sbin/named: libGeoIP.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGeoIP.so.1 (0xXXXXXX) |
| 08:02.43 | jelly-home | BlackDex: it ought to be what the bot says to squeeze, 1.4.7~beta6+dfsg-1 |
| 08:02.45 | simonrvn | sid too, wheezy as well |
| 08:02.57 | cafuego | named running Ok on Squeeze here |
| 08:03.05 | cafuego | and yes, linked against geoip |
| 08:03.17 | jelly-home | not directly. libdns is. |
| 08:04.21 | BlackDex | 1.4.7~beta6+dfsg-1 is what is says here |
| 08:04.31 | simonrvn | ldd /usr/lib/libdns.so.69: libGeoIP.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGeoIP.so.1 # sid x86 box |
| 08:04.56 | jelly-home | BlackDex: pastebin the output of ldd /usr/sbin/named |
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| 08:07.29 | jelly-home | BlackDex: which architecture is the system you running? |
| 08:07.38 | jelly-home | s/you // |
| 08:07.46 | BlackDex | x86 intel |
| 08:08.31 | jelly-home | BlackDex: I mean, dpkg --print-architecture |
| 08:12.12 | ethanol | is there a lenny>squeeze factoid? |
| 08:12.23 | ethanol | I remember running into a locales issue on my test machine |
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| 08:13.06 | jmarsden | !tell ethanol about lenny->squeeze |
| 08:13.18 | BlackDex | i386 |
| 08:13.51 | ethanol | no backports yet for squeeze? |
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| 08:19.34 | BlackDex | ldd output: http://pastebin.com/j9wgRXvU |
| 08:19.34 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am having trouble with my touchpad. It stops responding suddenly, for which I need to do modprobe -r and then modprobe psmouse. I am on Squeeze, 64 bit |
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| 08:24.51 | ethanol | oef, going from lenny to squeeze will add 400mb. |
| 08:25.00 | ethanol | and I run nothing but apache and mysql :< |
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| 08:25.25 | ndnihil | heh, I went from sarge to squeeze on this machine |
| 08:25.41 | ndnihil | well, actually it's not the same machine |
| 08:25.46 | ndnihil | but same role |
| 08:25.50 | ndnihil | main workstation |
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| 08:37.31 | ethanol | oh nice, autoclean freed up 335mb |
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| 09:11.16 | alvin_rxg | hi guys, debian testing, weekly build. when installing the base system, it says: "Invalid Release file: no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages." what's up with this file? |
| 09:12.29 | kgoetz | alvin_rxg: i expect ftpmasters are playing with things atm |
| 09:12.46 | alvin_rxg | kgoetz: atm? |
| 09:13.00 | alvin_rxg | well, at the moment. :) |
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| 09:14.15 | alvin_rxg | kgoetz: 1 more question: can i first install squeeze, then upgrade to testing? |
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| 09:15.05 | kgoetz | alvin_rxg: yeah |
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| 09:15.16 | alvin_rxg | kgoetz: good. thx! |
| 09:15.19 | deever | Circuitsoft: there are several gvim desktop files, all of them execute "gvim -f %F" |
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| 09:17.58 | deever | Circuitsoft: and now, i also get this error (in .xsession-errors): |
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| 09:18.02 | deever | (xfce4-menu-plugin:19543): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: Invalid field code in Exec line: %s |
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| 09:18.29 | simonrvn | deever: it's referring to a .desktop file |
| 09:18.36 | deever | besides this one: |
| 09:18.38 | deever | gvim: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:19.04 | simonrvn | missing libgpm .. |
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| 09:19.25 | deever | although i have no %s there, only %F |
| 09:19.31 | deever | simonrvn: no |
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| 09:19.33 | simonrvn | or a dead symlink |
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| 09:20.30 | deever | ldd `which gvim` shows "libgpm.so.2 => /usr/lib/libgpm.so.2 (0x00007f71fd5f7000)" |
| 09:20.40 | deever | 2, not 1! |
| 09:20.51 | simonrvn | uh, so what's with the so.1 then? |
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| 09:21.07 | deever | starting from a terminal works correctly |
| 09:21.16 | deever | simonrvn: dunno |
| 09:21.19 | simonrvn | check your /usr/lib |
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| 09:22.43 | deever | simonrvn: is there, else gvim wouldn't start from a terminal neither..;) |
| 09:25.03 | simonrvn | is there what? see if you have a libgpm.so.1 or a symlink that points there |
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| 10:13.37 | simonrvn | deever: run gvim from a term, see what happens |
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| 10:26.19 | BlackDex | thx for the help :).. im off |
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| 10:32.15 | babilen | superdmp: hei |
| 10:32.22 | babilen | ,versions python |
| 10:32.23 | judd | Package python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.6.6-3+squeeze5; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze5; wheezy: 2.6.6-3+squeeze5; experimental: 2.6.6-11 |
| 10:32.38 | superdmp | hi - apt-get update warns: he following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
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| 10:33.23 | superdmp | apt-get updategpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 4D270D06F42584E6 - which will apprently update the keys - fails |
| 10:33.33 | babilen | superdmp: You basically have two options: You can upgrade to squeeze (the new stable that has been released some weeks ago) or install python manually to /usr/local if you want to stay on lenny |
| 10:33.55 | RichiH | how can i list all possible bind targets for xmodmap? for example, there's a XF86Favorites, but I'd like to know if there is a Shift_XF86Favorites as well |
| 10:33.58 | superdmp | babilen: the machine is a server with only command-line access - how safe is it to do that? |
| 10:34.54 | babilen | superdmp: Quite safe. The process is outlined in the release notes. What other services are running on it and are you able to schedule some downtime? |
| 10:34.58 | babilen | !release notes |
| 10:34.59 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 10:35.16 | babilen | superdmp: In particular "What's new in Squeeze" and chapter 4 are relevant |
| 10:35.21 | superdmp | just some personal sites, email, etc babilen |
| 10:35.29 | superdmp | downtime, anytime |
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| 10:35.38 | babilen | superdmp: Ok, shouldn't be problematic then |
| 10:35.50 | deever | simonrvn: it works as usual |
| 10:35.52 | superdmp | thank you, I will have a look at the notes |
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| 10:41.30 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 10:42.15 | man_in_shack | how exactly do diversions work? |
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| 10:42.58 | binarym | hi |
| 10:43.04 | petemc | man_in_shack: context? |
| 10:43.16 | blackh | I'm tearing my hair out. How do I invalidate the configure stage of a package build, so debian/rules binary will re-run the configure stage? |
| 10:43.23 | babilen | superdmp: Regarding your key problem. You want to make sure that you have the latest "debian-archive-keyring" installed. Run "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" (as root) -- If that doesn't help, you can run " gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 4D270D06F42584E6 ; gpg --export 4D270D06F42584E6 | sudo apt-key add -" to manually add it, but that shouldn't actually be necessary and I would like to know if that happens. ... |
| 10:43.29 | babilen | ... (Paste the output of the aptitude run to http://paste.debian.net) |
| 10:44.25 | babilen | blackh: Do you mean "dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGE" ? What are you trying to do? |
| 10:44.38 | superdmp | babilen: the keyserver times out (I tried that earlier) |
| 10:44.50 | superdmp | oh - it just worked this time |
| 10:45.09 | blackh | babilen: I'm developing a package, but it's huge, and I want to re-configure it. In the old days I would type 'rm configure-stamp' but there is no configure-stamp. How do I make it so that 'debian/rules binary' will cause it to run ./configure again? |
| 10:45.15 | babilen | superdmp: As I said, make sure you have "debian-archive-keyring" installed. It contains all keys that are relevant for the debian archive |
| 10:45.16 | binarym | I have a kernel package, let's call it linux-image-custom-2.6.30_1.deb. When i want to upgrade to linux-image-custom-2.6.30_2.deb, i first remove running kernel and then install new one. But dpkg complain about "You are running a kernel (version 2.6.30-bigmem) and attempting to remove the same version" and ask me if i want to abort. Is there a way to avoid this message (i want to automatize it) |
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| 10:45.43 | binarym | i used dpkg --force-all -i |
| 10:45.49 | babilen | blackh: Ah, ok. You might want to hop over to #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org for support with packaging |
| 10:45.56 | babilen | !tell blackh -about mentors |
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| 10:46.29 | man_in_shack | petemc, diversion by libgl1-nvidia-alternatives from: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 << dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 gives me that |
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| 10:46.48 | man_in_shack | but /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 and /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 are different files |
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| 10:47.59 | ProgVal | Hello |
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| 10:48.24 | babilen | welcome |
| 10:48.44 | ProgVal | When I use debmirror to update my local mirror, I get this error: "gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file" |
| 10:48.52 | ProgVal | both with ftp.fr and ftp2.fr |
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| 10:50.46 | superdmp | babilen: I have tried all those things to no avail - debian-archive-keyring is installed, but apt-get update still produces the same error |
| 10:51.01 | superdmp | even after trying to add the key manually |
| 10:51.31 | man_in_shack | petemc, so i'm wondering what the diversion actually DOES |
| 10:52.16 | petemc | dpkg-divert - override a package's version of a file |
| 10:52.20 | petemc | probably that |
| 10:52.38 | ProgVal | also sith ftp.us |
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| 10:53.38 | ProgVal | with* |
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| 10:55.18 | man_in_shack | ok, i think i get it |
| 10:55.46 | man_in_shack | my /usr/lib/libGL* are from nvidia-glx or whatever, and the /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL* are the mesa ones ... |
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| 11:13.24 | ProgVal | Ok, I had to delete .temp/ |
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| 11:20.32 | kW_ | Hello! When I execute "apt-get install tortoisehg", I get "tortoisehg : Depends: python-gtk2 (>= 2.10) but it is not going to be installed". How can I make apt-get automatically choose to install "python-gtk2"? |
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| 11:22.18 | sicksadworld | hello |
| 11:22.49 | Parsifal | kW_: Which distribution are you running? stable/testing/unstable? |
| 11:22.52 | kW_ | Because the problem goes then further, if I execute "apt-get install python-gtk2", I get "python-gtk2 : Depends: python-numpy (>= 1:1.4.1) but it is not going to be installed; Depends: python-numpy (< 1:1.5) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 11:22.57 | kW_ | Parsifal: squeeze |
| 11:23.37 | sicksadworld | what makes grub not boot if i use the root=UUID ? kernel panic & display of available partition like sda etc....with all the UUID at 00000-000000-00000-0000, but if i put root=/dev/sda1....it boot with no troubles ? |
| 11:23.46 | sicksadworld | squeeze / grub 2 |
| 11:24.50 | Parsifal | kW_: Hmm. Try "aptitude why-not python-numpy", see if there's a reason why it's not installing it. |
| 11:25.00 | Parsifal | I prefer aptitude, I don't know if there's an equivalent apt-get command to "why-not". |
| 11:25.32 | Ge0rG | hi, where can I get help regarding packaging for debian? #debian-mentors is a dead end and I'd like to get sure its not my fault before opening a bug report. |
| 11:25.41 | kW_ | Parsifal: it says "Unable to find a reason to remove python-numpy." |
| 11:26.53 | Parsifal | kW_: That's really strange. If you try installing it with aptitude, do you get the same error? If so, do you have any weird configuration options in /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 11:27.09 | kW_ | Parsifal: aptitude provides clues: "libgfortran3: Depends: gcc-4.4-base (= 4.4.5-8) but 4.4.5-13 is installed." |
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| 11:29.29 | kW_ | Parsifal: ah, I see. I've linux-headers-2.6.37-2-amd64 installed (which is from sid, which in turn makes gcc be updated, which creates this incompatibility) |
| 11:29.48 | Parsifal | kW_: Yeah, I was about to say you had a newer version of gcc-4.4-base installed than what's in squeeze. |
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| 11:30.16 | Parsifal | kW_: That's why I asked what distribution you were running -- unstable doesn't guarantee sane dependencies. :) |
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| 11:31.17 | kW_ | Parsifal: can I tell aptitude or apt-get by configuration file "Hey, if installing from stable fails, then try it from testing or unstable if this makes dependencies fit."? |
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| 11:33.32 | Parsifal | kW_: If you have the testing/unstable repos enabled, aptitude should offer to upgrade the relevant packages if it can find a solution to the dependencies. |
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| 11:34.20 | Parsifal | kW_: I'm not sure if there's a way to tell it to just do that by default, and it probably isn't a good idea anyway. Running a mixed stable/unstable system isn't recommended because they tend to drift quite far apart. |
| 11:35.24 | casts | don't even mix stable/testing... |
| 11:36.03 | kW_ | Parsifal: well, the mixing currently is restricted to the linux kernel and gcc and friends. So I'd like to stay as close as stable as possible. How can I tell aptitude or apt-get to just ignore the depencency problem "libgfortran3: Depends: gcc-4.4-base (= 4.4.5-8) but 4.4.5-13 is installed."? |
| 11:37.00 | kW_ | (Or internally change the depencency from "libgfortran3: Depends: gcc-4.4-base (= 4.4.5-8)" to "libgfortran3: Depends: gcc-4.4-base (>= 4.4.5-8)" |
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| 11:37.08 | casts | can't see things breaking at all here |
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| 11:38.25 | superdmp | is it sensible to try to install python 2.6.6 on Lenny? |
| 11:38.41 | Parsifal | kW_: Dependencies exist for a reason. There are ways to force dpkg to ignore them (e.g., downloading the package files and invoking dpkg manually with --force-depends), but you're more likely to break your system than to achieve the intended result. |
| 11:38.54 | Seb | i'd like my wifi connection to stay up when coming back from sleep mode; iwconfig and ifconfig still show it as associated and connected, but I don't have connectivity |
| 11:39.07 | Seb | is this a limitation of my driver (wl in this case) ? |
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| 11:39.51 | kW_ | (Basically, the assumption "gcc-4.4-base=4.4.5-8 vs. gcc-4.4-base=4.4.5-13 should not matter for the purposes of libgfortran3" should be encoded somewhere in the system.) |
| 11:40.35 | kW_ | Parsifal: the reason can be over-conservativism, which I want to judge differently when balancing different conservativisms ("keep the system as close at stable as possible, but allow for a libgfortran3 depencency mismatch" vs "update many core packages to unstable just to meet dependencies") |
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| 11:40.40 | hugo | hey yall |
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| 11:40.58 | hugo | whats the password algorithm used for hashing passwords in debian? |
| 11:42.34 | kW_ | Parsifal: a solution which apparently worked was to install libgfortran3 also from unstable, but the remainder from stable |
| 11:42.53 | Parsifal | I'm surprised aptitude didn't suggest that as a solution. |
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| 11:43.10 | maleserver | Which is the default kernel for squeeze |
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| 11:43.19 | joel_ | hi, i have one problem trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze it says: debian-archive-keyring E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 11:45.41 | Parsifal | kW_: In any case, you'd probably be better off running mixed testing/unstable instead of stable/unstable. |
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| 11:46.28 | kW_ | Parsifal: due to the expected smaller difference testing vs. unstable compared to the difference stable vs. unstable...? |
| 11:46.58 | Parsifal | kW_: Yes. Testing and unstable tend to have less difference between them than between stable and testing/unstable. |
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| 11:47.40 | kW_ | Parsifal: well, I hope linux-2.6.37 lands in squeeze-backports, then I can downgrade everything else to stable... |
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| 11:50.02 | jellow | running debian squeeze , I've come across an issue playing Flash videos in firefox , all the videos are pink and red , though I can play any other file ( .avi ) with vlc works fine |
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| 12:11.41 | babilen | abrotman: 92? |
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| 12:12.31 | Digdilem | 4 bits to a nibble |
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| 12:14.08 | omes- | 4 bits to a nibble? make you holla fo a dolla! |
| 12:17.27 | maleserver | I'm not actually sure if there's any one canonical definition of a "byte". |
| 12:17.47 | casts | there are 8 bits in an octet, but not always a byte |
| 12:17.51 | maleserver | Often it means the word size of the machine. |
| 12:18.12 | casts | there's good reason standards use the term octect |
| 12:18.13 | Parsifal | Well, yes. But these days, a byte is usually an octet. |
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| 12:18.32 | maleserver | Usually, yes. |
| 12:18.38 | abrotman | wonders if any of that relates to network traffic measurements .. |
| 12:18.38 | casts | and a desktop usually runs windows! |
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| 12:18.59 | Parsifal | I agree that "octet" is the more precise term. |
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| 12:27.21 | jellow | I'm having issues with iceweasle and flash , The video has display issues wrong colors also crashes with segmentaion fault when refreshed on youtube. |
| 12:27.59 | simonrvn | !flash |
| 12:27.59 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 12:28.42 | omes- | jellow: i think there's something wrong with youtube right now, I have thered colors too |
| 12:28.52 | omes- | s/thered/the red/ |
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| 12:29.04 | jellow | though crashing is that related? |
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| 12:29.20 | simonrvn | naw, flash crashes, that's what it does |
| 12:29.22 | omes- | jellow: mine crash too, but I run the devel versoin of flash so that happens every now and then hehe |
| 12:29.30 | xsergio | Hi, I have a 3g modem MSA110UP connected to a debian lenny machine. I use usb-modeswitch to switch the device and wvdial to connect. |
| 12:29.52 | omes- | s/versoin/version/ |
| 12:29.57 | xsergio | After two days, I receive "kernel: [222393.073561] option: option_instat_callback: error -84" error messages |
| 12:29.59 | omes- | spelling is bad today :P |
| 12:30.19 | xsergio | and /dev/ttyUSB1 2 and 3 are disconnected |
| 12:30.36 | xsergio | any ideas? known bug? |
| 12:30.38 | joel_ | i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze but i got this error during upgrade process: dpkg: error processing debian-archive-keyring (--configure): |
| 12:30.38 | joel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.38 | joel_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 12:30.38 | joel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.38 | joel_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 12:31.24 | jellow | omes-: Thanks we are having the problem , Mozilla Iceweasel 3.5.16 , Shockwave Flash 10.2 d161 |
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| 12:32.29 | babilen | jellow, omes: no problems with iceweasel 4.0b12 and flash 10.3 d162 here |
| 12:32.54 | babilen | Running "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" might be a good idea. |
| 12:33.47 | joel_ | http://paste.debian.net/109450/ |
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| 12:35.47 | babilen | joel_: Looks like your local installation of the readline libraries (/usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.6) is the problem |
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| 12:36.13 | jellow | babilen: in about:plugins it says I now have to plugins how do I remove the old version ? |
| 12:36.25 | jellow | ^two |
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| 12:37.17 | jellow | not sure if apt will remove the new one too |
| 12:37.21 | xsergio | sorry, debian squeeze |
| 12:37.21 | babilen | jellow: hum, not sure actually. That just upgrades the system-wide installation. Have not seen that issue before -- Do you have a manual install somewhere? |
| 12:37.50 | joel_ | babilen: and what can i do? |
| 12:38.40 | babilen | joel_: Well, one way would be to remove/rename your local libreadline installation. Why is it installed? |
| 12:39.13 | joel_ | babilen: i have no idea. Maybe it was a dependency from another package. |
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| 12:39.53 | babilen | joel_: No, it must have been installed manually as apt* will not touch/install files to /usr/local -- What else is in there? Who installed it? |
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| 12:41.15 | joel_ | babilen: i don't remember have installed libreadline manually. |
| 12:41.29 | babilen | somebody must have :) |
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| 12:43.00 | joel_ | babilen: ok, but what i want is to fix this problem. |
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| 12:44.08 | babilen | joel_: Yes, one way to deal with this is to delete/move /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.6 -- What else is in /usr/local ? Could you paste the output of "find /usr/local" ? |
| 12:46.27 | jellow | oddly In /usr/lib/firefox/plugins I can only see one .so for Flash though about:plugin says there are two |
| 12:46.47 | jellow | where else could it be hiding? |
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| 12:49.00 | babilen | jellow: 'locate libflashplayer.so' ? What about 'find /home/YOURUSERNAME/.mozilla -name "*flash*"' ? |
| 12:49.24 | babilen | jellow: You've restarted iceweasel, didn't you? |
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| 12:51.57 | jellow | babilen: yes I did , The search on /home did not return anything but on system wide search It found one hiding in /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin |
| 12:52.03 | joel_ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/109453/ i have installed matlab under /usr/local maybe that library was installed by matlab |
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| 12:56.32 | babilen | joel_: That might be. I typically use stow to manage installations in /usr/local (/msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage). It makes it easy to install/remove single packages. It might have been installed by matlab. What is the pcre stuff? Also from matlab? I would recommend to create program specific directories, such as /usr/local/stow/matlab, /usr/local/stow/readline or /usr/local/stow/pcre -- Move the corresponding files there and try ... |
| 12:56.33 | alharaka | I have had enough and need to ask: a dozen or so times I right-clicked in icedove at a bad time, and it totally shuts down without prompting. |
| 12:56.38 | babilen | ... again. I would also remove the empty python/ruby/games directories |
| 12:56.46 | alharaka | I went on the almight Google, and I do not see much about this. |
| 12:56.55 | alharaka | Does anyone know why the fsck this is going on? |
| 12:57.09 | alharaka | I have lost three or so important emails halfway through at random times. |
| 12:57.13 | alharaka | Really annoying. |
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| 12:57.58 | alharaka | I also ran it through gdb once for days. This happened and nothing abnormal showed up in the trace. So I am clueless. |
| 12:58.28 | Parsifal | alharaka: I had a lot of problems with Icedove, until I gave up and used a more lightweight and stable mail client (Claws Mail). So that's one possible solution. :) |
| 12:59.08 | jellow | babilen: Have the lastest version of flash same issue as before what do I move forward from here? |
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| 12:59.26 | babilen | jellow: Sorry, I don't understand your question. |
| 12:59.41 | Parsifal | babilen: I think he's saying that the updated Flash still has the same problem. |
| 12:59.54 | babilen | ah .. doh! |
| 13:00.10 | alharaka | Parsifal: I have been using id/tbird for years. |
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| 13:00.21 | joel_ | babilen: ok, but now what can i do, apt-get install stow create /usr/local/stow/matlab for example, then move everything to /usr/local/matlab to /usr/local/stow/matlab? |
| 13:00.23 | alharaka | This issue is fscking ridiculous. Does no one else have such a problem? |
| 13:00.26 | joel_ | this won't break my installation? |
| 13:00.34 | Ge0rG | babilen: you pointed me to #debian-mentors yesterday, but the channel is closed down without a redirections. where can I get some in-depth help regarding packaging for debian? |
| 13:00.34 | babilen | jellow: Not sure. Hard to debug flash ... Just wanted to mention that *I* don't run into this problem .. |
| 13:00.34 | alharaka | I am surrprised no one else would whine about it like me. |
| 13:00.35 | alharaka | Haha |
| 13:00.52 | babilen | Ge0rG: You tried the channel on irc.oftc.net/irc.debian.org ? |
| 13:01.25 | Ge0rG | owait. I'm on the wrong irc network? |
| 13:01.26 | babilen | Ge0rG: (Both are the same network, irc.debian.org redirects to irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:01.44 | babilen | Ge0rG: We are on freenode here, you want #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 13:01.59 | Ge0rG | babilen: yeah, I connected to irc.debian.org yesterday just to notice that my nick is already taken by me. I just mistook it for OPN instead of OFTC |
| 13:02.22 | jellow | babilen: thanks for your help I'll keep looking |
| 13:02.34 | Ge0rG | thanks for clearing up :) |
| 13:03.35 | babilen | joel_: No, you just (manually) create /usr/local/stow/matlab-VERSION, move the respective files there and could then run "stow matlab-VERSION" in /usr/local/stow (or give an absolute path) |
| 13:03.47 | babilen | Ge0rG: No problem, see you on oftc :) |
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| 13:07.05 | joel_ | babilen: it doesn't let me install stow because it says me the same error (the original one about libreadline) |
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| 13:10.39 | babilen | joel_: Yes, just mv /usr/local/lib/libreadline* somewhere else ... you don't need stow to move the installations somewhere else. The only thing stow does is to create appropriate symlinks, so you can use programs isntalled to /usr/local/stow/foo_bar-2.42 (for example) as if you've installed them to /usr/local directly. It essentially helps you to seperate manual installations that would have been lumped together if you just used ./configure ... |
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| 13:10.40 | Parsifal | joel_: Move the files into /usr/local/stow/matlab-VERSION first, then install stow. |
| 13:10.45 | babilen | ... --prefix=/usr/local |
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| 13:16.49 | maleserver | Using kernel 2.6.32 my wifi doesn't work. It works fine with 2.6.26. How can I go about fixing it? The logs give no clue. |
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| 13:19.27 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am having trouble with my touchpad. It stops responding suddenly, for which I need to do modprobe -r and then modprobe psmouse. I am on Squeeze, 64 bit |
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| 13:20.57 | abrotman | maleserver: which wifi device? |
| 13:21.29 | babilen | maleserver: It might be a firmware issue. run "modprobe -r MODULE_FOR_YOUR_WIFI ; modprove MODULE_FOR_YOUR_WIFI ; dmesg | tail -23" and paste the result. Replace MODULE_FOR_YOUR_WIFI with the applicable module. |
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| 13:21.54 | babilen | maleserver: and make that "modprobe" throughout (typo "modprove" in my command) |
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| 13:24.12 | maleserver | babilen: It's a bit difficult to pastebin, since its on the machine whose interface doesn't work. |
| 13:24.31 | maleserver | Which line(s) are of interest? |
| 13:24.36 | babilen | maleserver: Ah, ok. Does it complain about missing firmware? Which device/module is that? |
| 13:25.35 | babilen | maleserver: the PCIID in "lspci -nn|grep -i network" (the [ab23:bc42] in the end) are also of interest if it is a PCI device, or the USB ID from "lsusb" if it is a USB one |
| 13:25.43 | maleserver | No. It all seems to be fine. Its ipw2200 |
| 13:26.07 | maleserver | iwlist etc all seem to work too. |
| 13:26.14 | babilen | !ipw2200 |
| 13:26.14 | dpkg | ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:26.26 | babilen | You need firmware (see ^^^^) do you have it installed? |
| 13:26.33 | maleserver | Yes.# |
| 13:26.54 | maleserver | And like I say. Everything works fine under kernel 2.6.26 |
| 13:27.34 | babilen | maleserver: Ok, then let's start with a more thorough explanation of "doesn't work" -- Is the interface there? (ifconfig -a) Can you see it in "iwconfig"? Does "iwlist IFACE scan" report anything? |
| 13:27.57 | stew | maleserver: show us what is added to dmesg when you modprobe the driver |
| 13:28.08 | stew | maleserver: it may indicate that you don't yet have the right firmware |
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| 13:28.43 | maleserver | ifconfig -a shows the interfaces, but none of them with a configured IP (except for lo). |
| 13:29.00 | babilen | ok, that is good |
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| 13:29.12 | maleserver | iwconfig indicates "Unassociated" |
| 13:29.21 | babilen | wonderful |
| 13:30.01 | maleserver | iwlist eth2 scan shows exactly what I would expect: Details of the AP. |
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| 13:30.12 | babilen | Ok, so what exactly is not working then? |
| 13:30.27 | babilen | !tell maleserver about 70 |
| 13:31.02 | maleserver | When I do "ifup eth2" it seems never to receive any DHCP offers. |
| 13:31.05 | babilen | maleserver: You *might* want to rename eth2 to wlan0 or something like that -- See dpkg's message, but that is not necessary right now. Just something I would do later |
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| 13:32.02 | maleserver | It just says DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 |
| 13:32.02 | babilen | maleserver: What kind of network are you connecting to? You might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 13:32.20 | stew | xenoplanar: if you aren't yet associated with an AP, you'll not get any offers |
| 13:32.42 | mutante_ | /etc/debian_version = 4.0 | uname -r = 2.6.18-5-686-bigmem | when executing "top" (or some but not all other commands): Unknown HZ value! (187) Assume 100. . Yep, googled already, so it's a kernel thing. But i cant believe the "did you reboot yet, that fixes it" stuff.. that would be like Windows :p |
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| 13:33.02 | maleserver | about 6 times then gives up with "No DHCPOFFERS received" |
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| 13:33.45 | stew | maleserver: are you trying to associate with an AP with encryption? if so, which type? |
| 13:33.48 | babilen | maleserver: What kind of network are you connecting to? (unsecured/WEP/WPA) Is this a machine you don't move and only associate with a single network? |
| 13:33.51 | stew | maleserver: can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:34.05 | maleserver | Encrption is turned off. |
| 13:34.18 | mutante_ | ..and the uptime is < 1 hour ! (so nothing like that would fit this: "The recent 2.5.xx kernels should be able to handle huge |
| 13:34.21 | mutante_ | uptimes better;") |
| 13:34.23 | stew | mutante_: doesn't sound like anything is wrong |
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| 13:34.50 | mutante_ | stew: Unknown HZ values are normal now? ehhh?? |
| 13:35.40 | maleserver | babilen: Normally its associated with a single network only. |
| 13:35.48 | stew | mutante_: i'm not suprised that such an old install has trouble, but I don't see this causing a problem |
| 13:36.01 | stew | mutante_: is there a reason you are running such and old, unsupported version of debian? |
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| 13:36.16 | mutante_ | stew: i am not running it, i am just asked to explain the bug |
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| 13:36.50 | maleserver | babilen: I'll reboot to the working kernel and see if I can pastebin some things. |
| 13:37.59 | babilen | maleserver: Show us your /etc/network/interfaces please. You might want to read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tool/README.Debian or /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz -- I would recommend to use WPA on your network and wpasupplicant to configure it. See also the example on the wiki. If you want to keep in unencrypted, it should be enough to set 'wireless-essid' in /e/n/i, but I have not used this "plain" method. (I always use ... |
| 13:38.02 | mutante_ | sorry, but it's not like kernel bugs appear once the Debian version is not supported anymore.. but it might be the box has been rooted... doing the rkhunter routine now |
| 13:38.05 | babilen | ... wpa-supplicant, or actually wicd these days) |
| 13:38.18 | stew | mutante_: i don't believe this is a kernel bug but a procps bug |
| 13:39.00 | mutante_ | stew: i am now getting into this one. "The only reason you see this clue "Unknown HZ value" is because the rootkit replaces the top command (among others) with a substitute top command that will hide its processes." |
| 13:39.57 | maleserver | http://pastebin.com/A7VUQAPg |
| 13:40.02 | stew | mutante_: how does that person know that you have a rootkit and its not the well bug? |
| 13:40.25 | stew | mutante_: here's the patch, i believe: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=5;filename=60_top_nohz.dpatch;att=1;bug=495882 |
| 13:40.50 | stew | !dbugs 495882 |
| 13:40.53 | dpkg | DONE:#495882:N[procps] NOHZ idle patch (patch); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:00:01 UTC [] |
| 13:41.00 | thaiiceland | I have one question. I just installed Debian on a desktop computer. I did have a disk that I downloaded about year ago but now I have very slow connection so I didn't got the newest release. It have taken me a lot of time to first install the wireless card and then install codeck for mp3 and videos. After long time without success I decided to log in as root and then I can play mp3 and watch videos with VLC player. I am not ab |
| 13:41.01 | thaiiceland | normal login??? only if I log in as a root. What can I do to watch videos and listen to mp3 as a user?? |
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| 13:41.09 | maleserver | http://pastebin.com/j8zr1GLi |
| 13:41.11 | mutante_ | stew: thanks for the patch, well "rkhunter" reported some warnings.. checking further |
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| 13:41.27 | stew | mutante_: how did you install rkhunter? |
| 13:41.38 | mutante_ | stew: it was installed already |
| 13:41.50 | stew | mutante_: i wouldn't bother too much with a 5 year old version of rkhunter |
| 13:42.02 | babilen | maleserver: Could you try to associate manually (using iwconfig) and requesting a dhcp address (with dhclient3) ? Does that work? |
| 13:42.04 | mutante_ | stew: well, seems like it has lots to report though :o |
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| 13:42.20 | stew | mutante_: yes, that is the main reason I'd ignore it |
| 13:42.36 | mutante_ | Rootkit names : cb Rootkit, SHV4 Rootkit, SHV5 Rootkit, SHV5 Rootkit, SHV5 Rootkit, SHV5 Rootkit, SHV5 Rootkit, Possible SHV5 Rootkit, Xzibit Rootkit |
| 13:43.01 | stew | mutante_: rkhunter is good at finding things, but unfortunately, rootkits aren't one of them |
| 13:43.41 | stew | mutante_: and if you were rooted recently, the chances that it is with a rootkit that was known 5 years ago are probably small |
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| 13:43.54 | maleserver | babilen: I'm not sure how to do that... |
| 13:44.12 | stew | mutante_: and since the reason you think you have a rootkit is more easily explained by the fact that what you see is also a symptom of a known bug, its even less likely |
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| 13:44.44 | mutante_ | stew: actually,, they should just reinstall with a newer version and thats it, and we dont even have to try finding out the details..because in any case, they want newer versions and done |
| 13:45.19 | babilen | maleserver: "iwconfig eth2 essid any" (does it associate? check with iwconfig eth2) what about "iwconfig eth2 essid THE_ACTUAL_ESSID" ? |
| 13:46.05 | babilen | maleserver: See also "man iwconfig" |
| 13:46.52 | maleserver | iwconfig eth2 essid any returns zero, so presumably it works. |
| 13:47.16 | babilen | maleserver: So it associates? What do you get when you run "iwconfig eth2" ? |
| 13:47.51 | maleserver | Ha! It says "eth2 unassociated ESSID:off/any" |
| 13:48.07 | maleserver | and the rest. |
| 13:48.10 | babilen | maleserver: Ok, what happens if you specify the actuall ssid? |
| 13:48.35 | babilen | wonders where this logs to again ... |
| 13:48.43 | stew | maleserver: do an "ifconfig eth2 up" before specifying the ssid, just in case. some drivers need that |
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| 13:49.14 | maleserver | Using the actual essid looks better. |
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| 13:50.19 | babilen | maleserver: Ok, you might want to specify the actuall essid in your /e/n/i -- not sure why "any" does not work though. You could also try to a get an address manually with "dhclient eth2" |
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| 13:50.52 | babilen | maleserver: Or just run "ifconfig eth2 down ; ifup eth2" to check the settings in /e/n/i with the "any" changed to the actual essid |
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| 14:01.54 | vega- | lighttpd startup fails with: "2011-03-03 16:00:19: (network.c.358) can't bind to port: :: 80 Address already in use" and yet i have "server.port = 8181". Am I missing something? |
| 14:02.03 | maleserver | I spoke too soon. |
| 14:02.16 | maleserver | It worked once. But I can't repeat the feat. |
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| 14:05.15 | vega- | solved.. had to comment out include_shell "/usr/share/lighttpd/use-ipv6.pl" ... how intuitive. |
| 14:06.47 | khaleel5000 | hi I have HP dv5 1215tx laptop.I have sid, when I do startx it says no screens found.I did X -configure i get the error "Number of screens doesnot match number of detected devices.Configuration failed" |
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| 14:15.13 | maleserver | babilen: OK. I think it's working now. Thanks for your help. |
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| 14:20.26 | babilen | maleserver: you are welcome |
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| 14:23.10 | lexoplex | dpkg says this about amd64: "Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. |
| 14:23.10 | dpkg | lexoplex: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 14:23.34 | lexoplex | Is this still true? |
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| 14:24.35 | AndChat- | Is it possible to run fsck on an ext2 partition from Windows? |
| 14:24.40 | lexoplex | The FAQs I found are outdated, but what is the status with Squeeze? |
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| 14:27.49 | abrotman | lexoplex: yes, in general, it is .. mostly because of 3rd party binary-only software |
| 14:28.10 | abrotman | lexoplex: things like flash/skype/games/etc |
| 14:28.15 | fbs | im using x64 for years now |
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| 14:28.18 | fbs | never had big problems |
| 14:28.53 | petemc | AndChat|: probably not, and even if you could it would probably be a bad idea |
| 14:29.24 | AndChat| | Damn |
| 14:29.38 | ikonia | AndChat|: I don't like people who lie |
| 14:30.13 | jelly | AndChat|: there's e2fsprogs for cygwin. |
| 14:30.25 | jelly | AndChat|: ask in #cygwin |
| 14:30.41 | ikonia | common sense would be to boot a livecd |
| 14:31.00 | lexoplex | abrotman: I see... so there would still be some fiddling involved with those things? |
| 14:31.07 | jelly | muchly so |
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| 14:32.46 | AndChat| | ikonia: don't have one with me |
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| 14:33.37 | abrotman | lexoplex: yeah, which is why they say it's generally easier .. and unless oyu have some super large need, it's really not beneficial |
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| 14:40.47 | lexoplex | abrotman: That helps. Thanks. |
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| 14:42.55 | yakamo | i have an acer aspire 3820tg and im having problems getting my external monitor to 1920x1080 anyone point me to a good website to read |
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| 14:48.17 | RichiH | why isn't xmodmap letting me change what Hyper_L is assigned to? http://paste.debian.net/109461/ |
| 14:48.29 | Acony | can somebody suggest me a tool for gnome which can be used for "text to speech" ? |
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| 14:48.45 | Acony | i need it badly :P |
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| 14:49.28 | khaleel5000 | hi, i have hp dv5 (with nvidia 9600gt) i have sid, it was working fine, recently updated it and now I cant run X. gives error no screens found |
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| 14:49.55 | khaleel5000 | it says failed to load driver nviida (lsmod shows nvidia is loaded!) |
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| 14:54.21 | sunmao | hi |
| 14:54.48 | sunmao | where can i download the debian lenny netinstal cd because I cant find on the debian's page? |
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| 14:55.46 | petemc | sunmao: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 14:55.50 | sunmao | thx |
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| 14:56.06 | petemc | sunmao: you're aware squeeze is the new stable ? |
| 14:56.08 | sunmao | petemc: Is that working still? Can I install to server? |
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| 15:01.17 | sunmao | petemc: ? |
| 15:01.19 | neglesaks | ?q - are there anyone who have experienced that the changelist for all updates in their Squeeze update manager fails to download? I am experiencign this on all systems with 6.0 |
| 15:01.23 | petemc | i asked you a question |
| 15:01.37 | neglesaks | and for all packages. is it a mirror specific problem? |
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| 15:02.21 | petemc | sunmao: lenny still works, tho stable now points to squeeze |
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| 15:06.23 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 15:06.23 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 15:07.45 | project2501a | hey guys did the whole grub issue of detroying the windows 7 boot-loader got resolved? |
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| 15:08.17 | abrotman | uhm, it works fine for me |
| 15:08.22 | abrotman | always has? |
| 15:08.37 | sunmao | petemc: you're aware squeeze is the new stable that was a declaration |
| 15:08.38 | omes | babilen: there's definitely something wrong with google's flash player. I don't get the "red version" when I watch embedded videos ;) |
| 15:08.42 | omes | so that player is just fine |
| 15:09.02 | project2501a | i tried to dual-boot windows 7 and squeeze 7 months ago and it would destroy the windows boot loader. |
| 15:09.11 | project2501a | *shrug* i will try again. |
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| 15:10.11 | sunmao | thanks for the informations |
| 15:10.12 | sunmao | bye |
| 15:10.43 | abrotman | project2501a: i installed my laptop almost a year ago .. not a single issue (other than trying to resize things I shouldn't have) |
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| 15:11.41 | project2501a | abrotman: must habe been me, then. my bad. i will get back on it. i need a linux system, asap |
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| 15:13.38 | namidark|tux | Is there a reason I can't start lighttpd and nginx at the same time ( i have lighttpd on port 8080 and nginx on port 80 )... nginx complains about port 80 being in use but its not accessibile |
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| 15:15.58 | wm4 | how would I downgrade my installation from debian unstable to debian squeeze? |
| 15:16.14 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 15:16.14 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 15:16.26 | wm4 | also, does anyone else have a problem with ugly fonts in debian unstable |
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| 15:16.42 | wm4 | I have the feeling of going blind reading this xchat window |
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| 15:17.09 | wm4 | !unstable->testing |
| 15:17.16 | wm4 | meh |
| 15:17.37 | fr00p | muh? |
| 15:19.05 | neglesaks | wm4, check yoru appearance preferences and adjust font rendering |
| 15:19.25 | neglesaks | you can fiddle with the antialiasing and display grain |
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| 15:21.28 | khaleel5000 | hi, how do i configure my X to load nouveau ? edit xorg.conf to use " nouveau " (instead of nvidia, i have nvidia 9600gt) |
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| 15:27.01 | khaleel5000 | hi, how do you start kde4 from command line? i have sid, i am in cli login ,startx just starts a terminal emulator |
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| 15:53.35 | the_german | hi@all I am trying to get a list of files from a http file-server with wget. I have to authorize on the server. The authorization works fine when I donwload a specific file but I failes with "401 Unathorized" when I try to get all files. The command I use is "wget -r -l1 --no-parent -A.zip --http-user=blabla --http-password=blabla http://www.blabla.de" |
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| 15:58.13 | pmo | hi, i would like to know if kernel can recognize by default (as long as LVM+RAID option is not compiled as module), all lvm modules ? |
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| 16:00.07 | frostschutz | pmo: lvm needs to be set up with the userland tools, kernel doesn't set up lvm by itself |
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| 16:00.36 | khaleel5000 | hi i have debian sid when i say aptget isntall nvidia-glx it shows it depends on xserver-xorg-core (2:1.7.7_)but its ot going to be installed |
| 16:00.39 | khaleel5000 | what to do ? |
| 16:02.07 | abrotman | make sure your sources are up to date to start |
| 16:02.17 | pmo | frostschutz, thanks :( since kernel option was LVM+RAID, i had some hope it could have changed like with mdraid, but i see it didn't, thanks for your answer |
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| 16:03.14 | wm4 | it seems the ugly font rendering I was experiencing is due to a libfreetype6 update |
| 16:03.30 | wm4 | libfreetype6 in squeeze = ok, in debian unstable = looks slightly worse |
| 16:03.53 | wm4 | that slightly matters a lot to me, but might be insignificant for others |
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| 16:04.04 | pmo | in debian / broken it is even worse :) |
| 16:04.23 | wm4 | wut |
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| 16:07.40 | khaleel5100 | abrotman yeah i have updated sources |
| 16:07.46 | khaleel5100 | still i get this error |
| 16:07.53 | bolt-work | why are you using sid? |
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| 16:08.03 | khaleel5100 | no particular reason just using it |
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| 16:08.19 | bolt-work | in that case, i suggest you stop and use stable instead |
| 16:08.26 | khaleel5100 | never had a problem wint it in 2 years. |
| 16:08.41 | bolt-work | and? |
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| 16:08.59 | khaleel5100 | sid has newer packages (specially for kde4) |
| 16:09.14 | bolt-work | sighs |
| 16:09.24 | khaleel5100 | and in my experience these kinda problem witn nvidia etc arise even in stable (it did for me) |
| 16:09.46 | themill | khaleel5100: actually, sid and squeeze both had kde 4.4.5. |
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| 16:11.28 | abrotman | khaleel5100: no need to msg, but busy .. |
| 16:11.38 | khaleel5100 | themill: as i said i have been using it for 2 years , at that time there was no squeeze.i have been updating sid since then no problem, this time in recent update i had the problem if nvidia-glx and before sid, even in stable i had nvidia related issues. |
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| 16:11.50 | khaleel5100 | abrotman: accidentally did so |
| 16:12.02 | fireboot | Hello |
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| 16:13.10 | CompWizrd | khaleel5100: if it helps, there's ATI issues too in sid :) |
| 16:13.21 | fireboot | I'm trying to install openmpi on my debian server; Thus, I installed libopenmpi-dev (and its dependencies). I have mpicc (the compiler), but I couldn't find mpirun, which is needed to run mpi programs |
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| 16:14.48 | bolt-work | khaleel5000: probably, the packages the current version of nvidia-glx requires are simply not there (yet). if you try installing the version of xserver-xorg-core it wants, you can likely find out why |
| 16:15.07 | bolt-work | find out what's not there, i mean. not necessarily why |
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| 16:15.41 | khaleel5100 | bolt-work: yeah its not there. |
| 16:16.05 | bolt-work | khaleel5100: then that's why you get that error message :) |
| 16:16.30 | Mad-Scientist | It looks like a new version of grub got installed and I have NO idea how it works |
| 16:16.35 | Mad-Scientist | theer is no longer any grub.conf |
| 16:16.43 | bolt-work | !grub2 |
| 16:16.43 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (Open Firmware version). Manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:17.16 | wm4 | libfreetype6 2.4.2-2.1 versus 2.4.4-1: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8962/xchatlibfreetype624221.png http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3733/xchatlibfreetype62441.png |
| 16:17.21 | Mad-Scientist | grub 1 to grub 2 is like windows XP to windows Vista |
| 16:17.27 | wm4 | ^ which looks better? |
| 16:17.50 | cahoot | looks? |
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| 16:18.20 | khaleel5100 | bolt-work: yeah i know...oh sorry my messages were not sent properly from "khaleel5000 " its not there, so any suggestion what to do ? |
| 16:18.25 | bolt-work | wm4: 624221 imo |
| 16:18.31 | bolt-work | wm4: at least on my screen |
| 16:18.45 | wm4 | bolt-work: I agree... and it's the older version |
| 16:18.47 | wm4 | bug? |
| 16:18.47 | vivid | Mad-Scientist, boots the same way, use update-grub to update the menu list, it will automatically find any OS you have installed |
| 16:19.11 | bolt-work | khaleel5000: wait... or help out and get it there. it's sid, after all. |
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| 16:19.49 | Mad-Scientist | So the config file is no longer indented to be edited manually |
| 16:19.52 | vivid | Mad-Scientist, if you have no menu on boot, hold SHIFT read about grub 2 to learn how to manually configure it |
| 16:19.58 | vivid | not directly |
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| 16:20.03 | bolt-work | Mad-Scientist: no. there's a directory with lots of them |
| 16:20.18 | vivid | you can add files that will manually add systems, but you should read how to do it |
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| 16:20.34 | vivid | in most cases the auto feature will suffice |
| 16:20.48 | khaleel5100 | bolt-work: ok, i just asked because i expected someone else to have found out. |
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| 16:20.55 | khaleel5100 | rebooting with nouveau |
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| 16:25.32 | sedulous | Which free image viewer can handle a 500 MB greyscale TIF? I have about 5 GB of free RAM. |
| 16:26.01 | neglesaks | GIMP cant? |
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| 16:26.30 | sedulous | neglesaks: Won't GIMP use up a lot more than 500 MB? |
| 16:26.47 | MrGeneral | Check to see that the nameservers associated with ipv6.miguelsp.net have IPv6 AAAAs |
| 16:26.56 | neglesaks | sure, but the memory it cant allocate in ram, itll do in scratch disk, aka swap |
| 16:26.57 | MrGeneral | Folks,can anyone with iipv6 check this? |
| 16:27.32 | sedulous | neglesaks: there has to be a more efficient image _viewer_ than GIMP. |
| 16:27.50 | neglesaks | no doublt. i was merely makign a suggestion. |
| 16:27.58 | stew | MrGeneral: one doesn't need to have ipv6 working to check "host -t aaaa ipv6.miguelsp.net" which returns "ipv6.miguelsp.net has IPv6 address 2001:b18:4045::1" |
| 16:28.26 | MrGeneral | stew, this is for the ipv6 he certification |
| 16:28.33 | MrGeneral | its giving me a few errors |
| 16:28.35 | Corin | Hi. I seem to be having an issue with flash. When I click certain youtube links, the screen is covered by segmented red/blue lines and the background turns black. When this happens, I'm unable to really do much of anything, although the video still seems to play. lol |
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| 16:29.26 | anddam | hi |
| 16:29.44 | MrGeneral | stew, what do you think is the cause? |
| 16:29.54 | anddam | once I see in lspci output that I have a specific ethernet card where should I look to check what its kernel module is? |
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| 16:30.28 | themill | anddam: "lspci -k" will tell you |
| 16:31.15 | anddam | themill: e1000 in my case but what if there is not a module loaded? |
| 16:31.43 | anddam | I used to go in kernel source and search Documentation/ |
| 16:31.46 | anddam | back in 2.2 |
| 16:31.59 | themill | dpkg: tell anddam about pciid |
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| 16:32.28 | anddam | thanks |
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| 16:32.50 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 16:33.15 | anddam | shouldn't '/etc/init.d/networking start' enable interfaces |
| 16:33.17 | anddam | ? |
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| 16:33.28 | Bartzy | I have a weird issue with openssh server.. |
| 16:33.32 | Bartzy | I have ping to a server |
| 16:33.49 | anddam | I just connected eth0 in virtualbox (debian is guest) and 'networking restart' doesn't bring eth0 up |
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| 16:33.56 | Bartzy | but when I try to ssh to the server from a certain network it is just stuck |
| 16:34.04 | Bartzy | I can do 'telnet server 22', and it is open, but no openssh version line is shown |
| 16:34.24 | CompWizrd | sedulous: probably need a 64bit system too.. i have to work with some TIFF images at work sometimes that are 30,000x10,000 pixels.. and i quickly hit the 2 gig userland limit in 32bit |
| 16:34.29 | Bartzy | just empty.... And from other subnets SSH to that server works.. There's not limit in the firewall |
| 16:34.29 | Bartzy | no limit*( |
| 16:34.40 | CompWizrd | sedulous: does xli laugh at you? |
| 16:35.17 | devpsp | hi |
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| 16:36.16 | anddam | Bartzy: can't get the 'telnet' part, check actual sshd port and use -[v|vv|vvv] to have information on client side |
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| 16:37.08 | anddam | themill: I remember reading about networking init script having changed, is that true? |
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| 16:37.29 | themill | doesn't it tell you not to use it when you run it? |
| 16:38.40 | anddam | themill: yes, just saw it |
| 16:38.46 | anddam | I got the warning |
| 16:39.10 | DogBoy | having some trouble with iceweasel, I minimize the window and when I go back to it it's just a blank page |
| 16:39.20 | anddam | but only with the restart, I used "stop; start" before |
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| 16:40.36 | anddam | judd is nice, isn't there a deb package with same purpose? I mean rather than connecting to IRC |
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| 16:42.16 | themill | anddam: for matching pciids? You can do that yourself from the kernel's pcimap. /msg dpkg local pciid |
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| 16:46.49 | Gigs- | Why is /etc/init.d/networking deprecated and what is the new command? |
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| 16:48.14 | smacnay | Is there some special caveat to get xorg updated in sid right now. There have been xorg packages on hold for two weeks and I am starting to suspect I need to do some manual work to install the updates. Or... is xorg just not all updated in the repository? |
| 16:48.20 | fbs | Gigs-: ifdown & ifup |
| 16:48.24 | fbs | afaik |
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| 16:50.59 | Gigs- | fbs: thanks I guess... but that doesn't really make any sense. |
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| 16:52.48 | sedulous | CompWizrd: i'll try xli too, thanks. i got a 64 bit system with 6 GB RAM |
| 16:52.53 | prizm[elitter] | I'm upgrading my boz to squeeze |
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| 16:53.12 | prizm[elitter] | First attempt failed because python was dickish to apt |
| 16:53.27 | sedulous | CompWizrd: (the image in question is the highest resolution image of the moon so far, released by NASA recently: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/116932598.html ) |
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| 16:53.49 | fbs | Gigs-: afaik it just ifup $IFACE or ifdown $IFACE |
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| 16:54.39 | fbs | ifdown -a or smth |
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| 16:55.29 | anddam | Gigs-: actually it's not the script to be deprecated, only its restart option |
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| 16:55.58 | anddam | and ifup and ifwodn aren't new, I remember those having been there for several years IIRC |
| 16:56.03 | anddam | ifdown* |
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| 16:58.08 | Bartzy | ? |
| 16:58.12 | Gigs- | yeah I know they've been there, deprecating networking in favor of the old way seems like losing something pretty useful |
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| 16:59.27 | anddam | and now I wonder why udev renamed my only eth iface to "eth1"… |
| 16:59.37 | ebd | hi people, after i upgrade to 6.0 when i startx it gives me the black screen, and all the key is frozen |
| 16:59.40 | ebd | what do i do |
| 16:59.56 | anddam | ebd: do you have a xorg.conf? |
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| 17:00.16 | ebd | yes, i have anddam |
| 17:00.24 | ebd | it just broken after the upgrade |
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| 17:00.47 | anddam | try renaming it, i.e. try with autoconf |
| 17:00.48 | ebd | anddam, i need to ad something in there? |
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| 17:01.03 | ebd | ohh, they don't use xorg anymore? |
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| 17:01.16 | stew | ebd: it will if one is present, but most people shoudln't need one |
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| 17:01.20 | anddam | dpkg: tell ebd about <xorg config> |
| 17:01.26 | anddam | dpkg: tell ebd about xorg config |
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| 17:04.45 | anddam | themill: couldn'y figure pcimap, is that a map accessible from my system? |
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| 17:05.03 | anddam | themill: I asked dpkg about hcl, judd-hardware and other topics it suggested |
| 17:05.20 | themill | yes. You have to generate it for your kernel first as dpkg said though. |
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| 17:06.35 | ebd | thanks guys! :) |
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| 17:07.03 | anddam | themill: I missed the step to generate the map |
| 17:07.06 | pyrophelia | how do a transfer a large number of files/folders without having to create the remote folders for each one I want to transfer? every time I do mput 1009* it says 1009 not found |
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| 17:07.47 | pyrophelia | I want to transfer only the dirs that start with 1009 in a directory of about 70 dirs |
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| 17:08.41 | CompWizrd | i assume this is ftp? |
| 17:08.45 | CompWizrd | tried what ncftp can do? |
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| 17:08.55 | pyrophelia | yes |
| 17:08.57 | pyrophelia | sftp is too slow |
| 17:09.03 | pyrophelia | ncftp? |
| 17:09.07 | pyrophelia | no I haven't |
| 17:09.10 | pyrophelia | let me try |
| 17:09.16 | CompWizrd | command line client, but far easier than regular ftp |
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| 17:09.59 | pyrophelia | and before I get white washed for not using sftp, it's just too slow for what I need to transfer |
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| 17:10.20 | pyrophelia | I can never get a sftp transfer to send about ~12MBps |
| 17:10.32 | Gigs- | try arcfour cipher |
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| 17:10.46 | pyrophelia | believe it or not it's not the cpu wall |
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| 17:10.58 | pyrophelia | cpu util never breaks 20% on any of the cores |
| 17:11.10 | pyrophelia | i'm not sure what's going on |
| 17:11.12 | heavy_bullets | hi guys... I have a question... what aplication do I need to make a Mail Server? |
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| 17:11.19 | Gigs- | well, worth trying -c arcfour |
| 17:11.20 | pyrophelia | exim is nice |
| 17:11.25 | pyrophelia | ok i'll try it |
| 17:11.30 | Gigs- | it's a stream cipher and not block |
| 17:11.35 | pyrophelia | hmm |
| 17:11.37 | Gigs- | so it's way more efficient |
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| 17:12.12 | Gigs- | heavy_bullets: postfix is pretty good |
| 17:12.27 | heavy_bullets | thx gigs.. will investigate |
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| 17:13.00 | Bartzy | anddam: What do you mean -v|vv|vvv ? in ssh client? |
| 17:13.00 | Bartzy | anddam: Got it |
| 17:13.00 | Bartzy | anddam: this is the output of ssh -vvv maint@my_server |
| 17:13.01 | Bartzy | http://pastebin.com/zbHZz9eH |
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| 17:13.24 | laurus | Is the default window manager on GNOME in Debian Squeeze compiz, or metacity? |
| 17:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | heavy_bullets: exim4 is the default, but I run postfix myself. |
| 17:14.03 | ElDiabolo | lauri, not compiz |
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| 17:14.30 | laurus | ElDiabolo, thanks. I have been screwing around with those "dock" type things, and one of them has added shadows to my window borders. I'm trying to remove them. Any ideas? |
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| 17:14.37 | heavy_bullets | so u recommend postfix then? |
| 17:14.52 | laurus | heavy_bullets, I recommend dovecot |
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| 17:16.48 | anddam | I see two MAC address in my VirtualBox guest debian system, does persistent-net-rules remember all the devices that have been connected? |
| 17:17.38 | anddam | I'm wondering why I get two MAC address and I think it can be to VirtualBox assigning different addresses to different VM images |
| 17:18.10 | ElDiabolo | laurus, no, except deleting all .gnome* stuff in your home dir. |
| 17:18.22 | laurus | ElDiabolo, heh okay |
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| 17:20.29 | ElDiabolo | laurus, You are probably aware that this will remove almost all desktop configuration, are you? |
| 17:21.15 | laurus | ElDiabolo, I think I found the answer actually |
| 17:21.30 | laurus | It's "metacity compositing" that is causing the problem I think |
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| 17:22.52 | ElDiabolo | laurus, The window manager is controlled by update-alternatives, update-alternatives --list x-window-manager shows you the installed ones. |
| 17:23.18 | laurus | ElDiabolo, thanks. I actually found "gconf-editor" |
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| 17:24.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont think its possible to disable those window border shadows in metacity while compositing is enabled |
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| 17:24.23 | laurus | Arrowmaster, right, I'd disable compositing completely |
| 17:25.02 | laurus | Oh awesome, compositing is gone and my computer is back to normal :) |
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| 17:25.14 | laurus | So much faster :P |
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| 17:28.02 | raz | hmm. one thing that's been bothering for a decade. how do i flush the linux dns cache? |
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| 17:28.22 | stew | raz: restart the dns server |
| 17:28.24 | raz | something seems to be caching in addition to the resolver |
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| 17:28.32 | raz | stew: been there, done that, doesn't help |
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| 17:28.52 | stew | raz: then restart the individual application that is caching, there isn't otherwise a cache |
| 17:28.55 | raz | dig still returns the stale records |
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| 17:29.01 | raz | dig has its own cache? doubt that |
| 17:29.06 | stew | raz: no, it doesn't |
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| 17:29.22 | nsadmin | raz: what server does dig claim to be using? |
| 17:29.23 | stew | raz: dig talks directly to the dns servers. if you get stale information, its the fault of the dns server |
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| 17:30.00 | raz | nsadmin: to a local bind9. bind still returns the stale record after restart, if i dig @ the NS for the target domain i see the new version |
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| 17:30.30 | nsadmin | so, the dig output states it's using that server? |
| 17:30.49 | raz | ahh |
| 17:30.51 | raz | n/m |
| 17:30.55 | raz | rndc flush |
| 17:30.57 | raz | did it |
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| 17:34.14 | guisf | I'm encrypting my / partition, and don't know what I need to change in grub2 ... in grub1 it was just needed to change the /grub/menu.lst file but know things changed. Anyone can help? |
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| 17:35.02 | nsadmin | you can also see if #grub knows |
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| 17:35.09 | Circuitsoft | /grub/gurb.cfg |
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| 17:35.17 | nsadmin | but you're advised to check the docs |
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| 17:35.34 | guisf | nsadmin, good idea |
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| 17:36.14 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, With grub, the task is to find the docs |
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| 17:36.40 | Circuitsoft | Unfortunately, that is quite a trick with grub2 so far. |
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| 17:36.57 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, See dpkg -L grub-doc |
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| 17:37.18 | anddam | can I purge all MTAs or does the system need one in order to work correctly? |
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| 17:38.02 | Circuitsoft | sudo and cron both require MTAs. |
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| 17:39.05 | nsadmin | ElDiabolo: so you mean the debian packaging of grub-doc |
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| 17:39.52 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, That actually came as a surprise to me a few days ago. I did then find docs online. |
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| 17:40.18 | nsadmin | in my case I don't have that installed |
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| 17:40.49 | Circuitsoft | It doesn't exist for grub2 yet. The only version available is 0.97 |
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| 17:41.22 | nsadmin | maybe docs for grub2 are in grub-pc or so |
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| 17:42.06 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, Don't know, just wanted to point out they are at least hard to find. |
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| 17:42.08 | Circuitsoft | Just a few manpages for the install scripts and the rEADME. |
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| 17:42.25 | Circuitsoft | Even online, grub2 docs are hard to find. |
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| 17:42.43 | ElDiabolo | Circuitsoft, Which is pretty bad ... |
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| 17:42.56 | nsadmin | well there is #grub :) |
| 17:43.11 | anddam | Circuitsoft: I don't use actively cron (dunno if the system does) but I extensively use sudo |
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| 17:43.17 | nsadmin | and the tab key in grub shell |
| 17:43.19 | ElDiabolo | Circuitsoft, any idea why? |
| 17:43.56 | nsadmin | that's usually an indication they code before they document |
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| 17:45.14 | Circuitsoft | I do think debian deprecated grub1 a bit fast. I also run gentoo and still prefer grub1 there. While the architecture may be worse, it is well developed and works. |
| 17:45.42 | ElDiabolo | Yeah. |
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| 17:46.18 | guisf | Circuitsoft, I'm having a hard time with grub2 also, there are few documentation out there |
| 17:46.21 | ElDiabolo | grub2 actually required some fixing (disabling non existent floppy in the bios) |
| 17:46.24 | ElDiabolo | My tram arrives. Bye. |
| 17:46.45 | guisf | Circuitsoft, and it's a waste of time to read the whole manual, just to find out some simple thing |
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| 17:47.26 | nsadmin | I heard about an effort to make natural english scripting language... they couldn't find programmers who could write english |
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| 17:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | You can get some understanding of grub2 by scanning through the grub.d modules. |
| 17:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: That's standard procedure, isn't it? Code, adopt, standardize, document, deprecate. |
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| 17:47.30 | jhutchins_lt | "Anything in Linux that is fully documented is by definition obsolete". |
| 17:47.30 | nsadmin | Circuitsoft, what you'll find is, upstream dropped support for grub1 |
| 17:47.30 | nsadmin | like a rock |
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| 17:48.11 | Circuitsoft | guisf: Do you just need to add kernel command line options? Edit /etc/default/grub and re-run update-grub. |
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| 17:48.54 | Circuitsoft | nsadmin: Define dropped support. Do they just not develop it anymore? |
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| 17:49.19 | guisf | Circuitsoft, I just need to change the path to my encrypted /, that's all ... I need to change / to /mapper/root, but dont know where |
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| 17:49.37 | nsadmin | well #grub has more info re: the exact definition, but they won't talk to you about grub1 |
| 17:49.54 | Circuitsoft | As long as I've been using it it's been extremely stable and I haven't had problems with it. |
| 17:50.20 | nsadmin | thats a good thing, right? |
| 17:50.20 | Circuitsoft | is going to lunch |
| 17:50.49 | joel_ | hi, i'm trying to update lenny to squeeze in one machine and i receive this error: http://paste.debian.net/109486/ |
| 17:50.49 | joel_ | any ideas? |
| 17:50.49 | Circuitsoft | Basically, I'll keep using it, even if they won't develop/maintain it anymore. |
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| 17:53.57 | natefoo | 'lo all. There used to be a document to consult before retargeting sources and doing a dist-upgrade, but I can't find that doc, if it still exists. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 17:54.14 | prizm[elitter] | Holy hell, my system was upgraded to squeeze and everything is magnitudes fasters |
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| 17:54.37 | prizm[elitter] | The system snaps open in no time, it's pretty damn cool |
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| 17:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | !tell natefoo about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:56.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell natefoo about release notes |
| 17:56.10 | natefoo | jhutchins_lt: thanks. how about squeeze->wheezy? |
| 17:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:58.18 | natefoo | !squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:58.35 | natefoo | that doesn't do what i thought it might do. ;) |
| 17:59.01 | Circuitsoft | !hello |
| 17:59.01 | dpkg | Hi, circuitsoft! |
| 17:59.11 | natefoo | !tell natefoo about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:59.13 | Circuitsoft | !squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:59.18 | natefoo | yay. |
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| 18:00.06 | natefoo | haha, paraphrased dpkg: "have fun with that." |
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| 18:01.54 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg what is squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:01.54 | dpkg | Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2184 packages where changed in wheezy. That's about 14% of the archive changing.) Good luck... you're going to need it. |
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| 18:02.41 | Circuitsoft | What's likely more stable right now? Wheezy or Sid? |
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| 18:03.55 | themill | Circuitsoft: squeeze. |
| 18:04.03 | Circuitsoft | I know. |
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| 18:04.28 | Circuitsoft | I'm wondering about the comparison between brand-new testing and unstable? |
| 18:04.34 | Circuitsoft | I'm running Sid on my desktop right now. |
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| 18:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | Circuitsoft: Niether. |
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| 18:04.55 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 18:04.55 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 18:05.11 | themill | both can and will be utterly broken in various ways. |
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| 18:05.36 | Circuitsoft | I've actually been using sid for a year and a half and have been fine with all the problems that have cropped up. |
| 18:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | I'm pretty sure the Intel video drivers will have to be badly broken again before they're straighttened out. |
| 18:06.04 | natefoo | i didn't know anyone ran just sid as opposed to testing/sid. |
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| 18:06.39 | Circuitsoft | I used lenny for a few months before it was released then used sid not too long after that and haven't had problems I couldn't fix. |
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| 18:07.12 | Circuitsoft | Only issue is, right now, the nvidia drivers in the repo require an older X-abi than the current X. Drivers downloaded from nVidia work, though. |
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| 18:07.24 | Circuitsoft | Well, that's what it was a week ago. I should probably check again to see if they're fixed yet. |
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| 18:07.38 | fbs | why does gnome depend on so much *crap* ? Isnt there a way to get without evolution epiphany etc? |
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| 18:08.01 | themill | dpkg: tell fbs about install gnome |
| 18:08.05 | Circuitsoft | I think gnome is a meta-package that relies on a full-featured desktop. |
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| 18:08.34 | fbs | themill: i was talking about gnome core :) |
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| 18:08.51 | Circuitsoft | fbs: That's why I don't use gnome anymore. |
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| 18:09.01 | Circuitsoft | I've pieced together a desktop out of xfce and rox-filer. |
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| 18:09.35 | fbs | hmm, might be a bit offtopic for debian |
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| 18:16.38 | logichole | I have a vps running squeeze. When I ping the box, it responds fine. When I use mtr to inspect it though, all 'ping' packets after the first dropped, regardless of firewall status. Is this the expected behavior? |
| 18:16.55 | fbs | i guess its not debian specific? |
| 18:16.55 | themill | fbs: if you want to know why the gnome developers consider that their mailer is part of their desktop environment, then you probably should ask them |
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| 18:16.57 | ansgar | fbs: gnome-core is Debian-specific. And I believe this was discussed on debian-devel before. |
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| 18:16.59 | SerajewelKS | is there a CLI tool that will deflate a file? i have a stream that was compressed with enflate and i'd like to uncompress it, but i can't find a tool that will do this. |
| 18:16.59 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to find out the average CPU usage % of a certain process which has ran on my stystem for a while? |
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| 18:17.00 | hid3 | Let's say I have bind process running and I'd like to find out what's average cpu usage of it |
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| 18:17.00 | SerajewelKS | hid3: you can compare its cpu time to its wall clock time |
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| 18:17.00 | fbs | SerajewelKS: ar, tar ? |
| 18:17.00 | fbs | ansgar: ah ok |
| 18:17.00 | hid3 | SerajewelKS: how do I find out wall time? |
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| 18:17.00 | SerajewelKS | fbs: ar and tar are not compression programs; they have nothing to do with the deflate algorithm |
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| 18:17.19 | jhutchins_lt | logichole: Not expected, but known to happen. |
| 18:17.20 | SerajewelKS | hid3: i believe ps can display this information if you give it the right arguments. man ps |
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| 18:17.47 | SerajewelKS | and when i said i want to deflate a file, of course i meant enflate. it's been compressed with deflate. |
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| 18:18.12 | SerajewelKS | i believe that the gzip format allows deflate-compressed streams to be embedded, but the file has no gzip header, so gunzip will not work |
| 18:18.18 | ansgar | SerajewelKS: Did you dry gunzip? |
| 18:18.26 | SerajewelKS | ansgar: ^^^ :) |
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| 18:18.49 | hid3 | SerajewelKS: Thanks. Just to make sure: 1 minute od 'cpu time' it means that a certain process has used one CPU for 100% for 1 minute, right? |
| 18:18.53 | fbs | SerajewelKS: you could use tar for gzip, bzip lzma, lzo etc |
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| 18:19.20 | SerajewelKS | hid3: it means that it has used the CPU for one minute |
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| 18:19.27 | SerajewelKS | hid3: each CPU can only run one process at a time |
| 18:19.38 | ansgar | SerajewelKS: gunzip(1) claims to support files generated with compress as well (which I believe uses deflate). |
| 18:19.56 | logichole | jhutchins_lt, I'd really like to be able to use mtr to inspect the vps. Is there something I can do to stop it from dropping those packets on the floor? |
| 18:20.03 | SerajewelKS | ansgar: right, but it's dependent on the gzip header telling it which algorithm was used. since there is no header, gunzip doesn't know what to do with the stream. |
| 18:20.14 | SerajewelKS | fbs: again, tar does not do compression |
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| 18:20.34 | SerajewelKS | fbs: tar concatenates files with headers prefixed. it can use other programs to compress, but that's the extent of it. |
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| 18:21.13 | SerajewelKS | fbs: and it expects a tar stream inside the compressed data. this compressed data does not contain a tar stream, so tar is of no use to me. |
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| 18:22.08 | SerajewelKS | i suppose i could use zlib from perl to do this, i was just hoping there was already a utility to enflate a deflated file |
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| 18:22.41 | SerajewelKS | hid3: so, in other words, average CPU usage will be cputime/walltime |
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| 18:23.32 | SerajewelKS | hid3: this is measured per discrete CPU. so if a process does multithreading on a multi-CPU machine, the cputime will exceed the walltime (assuming that the program does in-process threading and not conventional linux process-based threading) |
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| 18:23.55 | themill | SerajewelKS: random suggestion.... w3m: /usr/lib/w3m/inflate |
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| 18:24.10 | SerajewelKS | themill: oooh, good find. let me give that a shot. |
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| 18:24.39 | SerajewelKS | themill: nothing like binaries in /usr/lib! |
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| 18:24.43 | fken | I've set my locales to utf8 and now it looks like my apache server is not able display utf8 data. maybe it's a simple configuration issue but I really need your help |
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| 18:24.44 | SerajewelKS | and by binaries i mean executables |
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| 18:24.55 | SerajewelKS | fken: apache doesn't display any data |
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| 18:25.11 | SerajewelKS | fken: check that your documents are being served with the correct content-type header |
| 18:25.13 | themill | SerajewelKS: well... it's intended to private so there's actually a good chance that it doesn't do what you want with a useful interface in the way you want it... |
| 18:25.46 | SerajewelKS | themill: it does though :) thanks, this is just what i was looking for |
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| 18:25.56 | themill | ahh... excellent! |
| 18:26.01 | SerajewelKS | that'll show me not to check pdo |
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| 18:26.07 | themill | apt-file ftw :) |
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| 18:26.14 | SerajewelKS | yeah i just did apt-cache search :) |
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| 18:26.34 | fken | SerajewelKS: meta are utf8, /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset contains "AddDefaultCharset UTF-8" and mysql tables are utf8 |
| 18:26.57 | fken | SerajewelKS: is it enough or should i set up something else ? |
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| 18:27.00 | SerajewelKS | fken: check with a packet-sniffer that documents are being served with 'Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8' |
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| 18:27.25 | ethanol | damnit |
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| 18:27.27 | SerajewelKS | fken: if they are served with 'Content-Type: text/html' and no charset value, then the browser is free to do whatever the fuck it wants, which usually involves heuristically detecting the character set |
| 18:27.30 | hid3 | SerajewelKS: [from last conversation] Thanks. Just to make sure: 1 minute od 'cpu time' it means that a certain process has used one CPU for 100% for 1 minute, right? |
| 18:27.32 | ethanol | cupsd is utter shit on squeeze |
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| 18:27.43 | SerajewelKS | hid3: it means that the process has used the CPU for one minute |
| 18:27.44 | themill | fken: you also need to make sure that your connection between php and mysql is using utf-8 |
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| 18:27.48 | ethanol | can I downgrade cupsd? |
| 18:27.50 | ethanol | !downgrade |
| 18:27.50 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 18:27.55 | hid3 | yeah, that's what i was thinking. Thanks! |
| 18:27.59 | SerajewelKS | hid3: only one process can use the CPU at a time, so... yes, you can think of it that way if it helps |
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| 18:28.08 | fken | SerajewelKS: I'll search for packetsniffer now |
| 18:28.13 | fken | themill: how so ? |
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| 18:28.18 | SerajewelKS | hid3: this is measured per discrete CPU. so if a process does multithreading on a multi-CPU machine, the cputime will exceed the walltime (assuming that the program does in-process threading and not conventional linux process-based threading) |
| 18:28.22 | themill | dpkg: tell fken about mysql utf8 |
| 18:28.24 | hid3 | according to my calculations, the result is 55%. It is highly possible. |
| 18:28.31 | SerajewelKS | hid3: cputime/walltime will give you an average :) |
| 18:28.33 | hid3 | No multihtreading, no SMP |
| 18:28.37 | SerajewelKS | nod |
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| 18:28.43 | hid3 | yeah, average |
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| 18:28.57 | hid3 | but highly likely to be VERY accurate |
| 18:28.58 | SerajewelKS | so just to be clear, in that scenario, 100% is one CPU/core, 200% is two cpus/cores, etc |
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| 18:29.04 | hid3 | lol, what's wrong with freenode? |
| 18:29.08 | SerajewelKS | not that this applies to you, but just FYI |
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| 18:29.16 | SerajewelKS | fken: wireshark is a good sniffer if you have X |
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| 18:29.24 | themill | hid3: bad day at the office |
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| 18:29.29 | nsadmin | they're very pingy today... I guess some kind of attack is involved |
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| 18:29.32 | SerajewelKS | fken: if not, wget *might* display the full content-type |
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| 18:29.38 | ethanol | can anyone tell me where I can find the latest lenny stable cups version? |
| 18:29.38 | SerajewelKS | fken: so you could try: wget -O /dev/null http://... |
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| 18:29.56 | SerajewelKS | fken: remember that your documents themselves can specify the content type using <meta http-equiv... /> |
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| 18:30.16 | nsadmin | ethanol: that would be the one available: |
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| 18:30.27 | nsadmin | , versions cups |
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| 18:30.28 | judd | Package cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; squeeze: 1.4.4-7; sid: 1.4.6-1; wheezy: 1.4.6-1 |
| 18:30.31 | SerajewelKS | fken: for a multi-user server with varying applications, this is the simplest way to convey a character set since it requires no special support from the httpd |
| 18:30.35 | fken | SerajewelKS: well, my documents specify meta http-equiv, yes |
| 18:30.42 | ethanol | nsadmin: where can I download the lenny one? |
| 18:30.44 | SerajewelKS | fken: then that should be sufficient |
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| 18:31.00 | SerajewelKS | fken: check that your browser is using the correct character set |
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| 18:31.14 | themill | fken: not connecting to the db with a utf-8 connection is a great way of breaking things.... do double check that. |
| 18:31.18 | nsadmin | the lenny one? it might still be in package mirrors. why, are you running lenny? |
| 18:31.25 | SerajewelKS | fken: remember that apache serves byte streams. it does not interpret character sets at all, so if something isn't encoded right it's an error with the document or script and not apache. |
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| 18:32.01 | ethanol | nsadmin: I am running squeeze. but cups on squeeze just killed my entire printing operation. so I wanna downgrade |
| 18:32.11 | fken | ok SerajewelKS |
| 18:32.21 | nsadmin | do you know why that happened? |
| 18:32.39 | fken | i've wireshark on my machine |
| 18:32.52 | SerajewelKS | fken: and yeah, what themill said :) try using wget to retrieve the document and use xxd to inspect it and look for the special characters. if you know how various encodings represent the special character that's giving you trouble, seeing the raw bytes might help you determine where the error is being introduced. |
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| 18:33.04 | SerajewelKS | fken: or wireshark :) |
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| 18:33.06 | ethanol | nsadmin: no, because it throws no errors. I have labelprinters. when I for example try to print 5 labels at once, and dont pull em out of the printer fast enough, the printer will only give me page 1, 2, 3 and 5 for example. while cups says it has printed all 5. |
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| 18:33.15 | SerajewelKS | remember to use the hex dump mode and not text if you want to see what's actually going on |
| 18:33.16 | ethanol | it never did that on lenny (I upgraded today) |
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| 18:33.58 | nsadmin | are you sure this wouldn't have happened under lenny? |
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| 18:34.09 | ethanol | yes very, been doing this for months already, day in day out |
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| 18:34.18 | kelly_s | Hi, Is it possible to view the Bacula backup console with out a Linux GUI? I am currently using Ultra VNC but I was wondering if there are any other methods? |
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| 18:34.23 | ethanol | I cannot process any orders beyond 3 labels now because I simply dont get all the pages anymore |
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| 18:35.01 | nsadmin | maybe you should wipe/format and install lenny |
| 18:35.02 | nsadmin | IOR |
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| 18:35.05 | SerajewelKS | kelly_s: if there is a command-line UI then yes, you would just use ssh |
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| 18:35.12 | ethanol | hell sometimes it even fails on one label. cups will say it has printed it and move the job to completed, but nothing comes out of the printer. |
| 18:35.13 | nsadmin | OR, get a separate machine running lenny |
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| 18:35.24 | SerajewelKS | kelly_s: check the bacula-console package |
| 18:35.26 | ethanol | I just wanna downgrade cups right now.. |
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| 18:35.40 | geekbri | anybody have any clue why start-stop-daemon tells me that no process is running for a pid in a pidfile, when that process is indeed running and the pidfile has the correct PID in it? |
| 18:35.46 | jhutchins_lt | ethanol: please report this bug. |
| 18:35.47 | nsadmin | but you're still missing a very important piece: exactly why is this happening |
| 18:36.02 | nsadmin | until you know that for sure, you can't be sure of anything |
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| 18:36.16 | kelly_s | <SerajewelKS> I can only view the report but thats it |
| 18:36.27 | ethanol | nsadmin: I just wanna see if downgrading cups will help |
| 18:36.36 | kelly_s | the general console i have to view using UltraVNC |
| 18:36.38 | ethanol | then I can be certain it is cups |
| 18:36.39 | SerajewelKS | kelly_s: the package claims to be a complete interface |
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| 18:36.55 | kelly_s | no its not. |
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| 18:37.01 | SerajewelKS | kelly_s: it's likely that there are command-line options or other tools included in the package |
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| 18:37.05 | nsadmin | when you describe what happens, it sounds like cups has done its job but communication to the printer has failed |
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| 18:37.19 | jhutchins_lt | THat or communication back from the printer. |
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| 18:37.31 | jhutchins_lt | ethanol: USB or Parallel? |
| 18:37.36 | nsadmin | nod |
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| 18:37.39 | SerajewelKS | kelly_s: which program are you running+ |
| 18:37.41 | kelly_s | ok, i will take a look online! thanks <SerajewelKS> |
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| 18:38.11 | ethanol | jhujhiti: lan |
| 18:38.14 | stephenjudkins | where can I find what the letters in the left column of the results for `aptitude search` mean? {p, i, i A, v} |
| 18:38.16 | SerajewelKS | kelly_s: man bconsole and man bacula-console |
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| 18:38.21 | SerajewelKS | kelly_s: one of those should do what you want |
| 18:38.25 | kelly_s | ok |
| 18:38.51 | kelly_s | give me 2 minutes |
| 18:38.55 | SerajewelKS | stephenjudkins: p = purged, i = installed, v = virtual package (virtual packages cannot be installed; they are provided by other packages) |
| 18:38.58 | ethanol | jhujhiti: configured them using socket:// |
| 18:39.07 | fken | SerajewelKS: the browser is using utf-8, according to firefox page information. wget -O doesnt specify any information about charset |
| 18:39.16 | SerajewelKS | stephenjudkins: i A means installed automatically, and will hence be removed automatically if nothing depends on it |
| 18:39.21 | SerajewelKS | stephenjudkins: hit ? in aptitude for a summary |
| 18:39.24 | jhutchins_lt | ethanol: That introduces a lot of variables... |
| 18:39.29 | themill | stephenjudkins: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html#figureCurrentFlag |
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| 18:39.51 | SerajewelKS | stephenjudkins: after hitting ? it's a few pages down |
| 18:40.05 | stephenjudkins | SerajewelKS, themill: awesome, thank you. |
| 18:40.24 | SerajewelKS | fken: ok. then if the characters don't appear correct, it's probably an encoding error in the document itself, or in the script that produces the document. |
| 18:40.32 | fken | SerajewelKS: and the wrong characters are like this one : é |
| 18:40.35 | ethanol | jhujhiti: I'm considering configuring them all on a windows server and just sharing them. linux and printing has been a nightmare experience so far. took me quite a while to get everything working in the beginning |
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| 18:40.57 | SerajewelKS | fken: nod. that's what UTF-8 usually looks like when it's displayed in something else. |
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| 18:41.11 | ethanol | and there is like, barely any resources out there regarding cups and properly setting things up |
| 18:41.24 | fken | SerajewelKS: the problem occurs on my debian production server but not on my gentoo development system |
| 18:41.26 | SerajewelKS | fken: it might also indicate doubly-encoded UTF-8, where a UTF-8 document is treated as though it were ISO-8859-* and encoded in UTF-8 again. |
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| 18:42.12 | fken | SerajewelKS: do you mean that the data are bad in the database ? |
| 18:42.41 | SerajewelKS | fken: that's one possibility. without having access to your code and database the number of possibilities are rather large. |
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| 18:42.55 | Fah | fken: in order to correctly display a byte stream, you have to know and use the correct encoding. If you mix and match encodings, you get 'weird' characters |
| 18:42.58 | SerajewelKS | fken: but i can tell you one thing -- it's not apache's fault :) |
| 18:42.59 | stew | fken: if you are getting this from a database, make sure that the database connection itself is utf8, and check the encoding of the table itself |
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| 18:46.53 | fken | stew: I dont remember how i did but i remember i've noticed tables encoding and collate were utf8. But i dont know if the database is well configured |
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| 18:47.28 | fken | stew: could you tell me which data i should check in order to be sure there is no issue in mysql configuration ? |
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| 18:49.39 | anddam | xorg crashed when I was installing chromium in a terminal, is there a way to check if apt is in a "clean" status? |
| 18:49.39 | anddam | I'm not sure aptitude had finished when xorg crashed |
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| 18:49.59 | stew | fken: if this is on a webpage, you can check the content encoding of the page |
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| 18:50.01 | SerajewelKS | stew: we've already been over that; he has http-equiv headers specifying UTF-8 and firefox is honoring them |
| 18:50.01 | stew | ok |
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| 18:50.02 | themill | SerajewelKS: hang on... have we actually checked that the php->mysql connection is using utf-8? |
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| 18:50.04 | SerajewelKS | themill: no, though you've suggested that plenty of times, so i would hope that fken will eventually check that :) |
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| 18:50.04 | themill | hehe |
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| 18:50.04 | themill | It's one of the most common causes of this problem |
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| 18:50.06 | SerajewelKS | i *think* that the connection collation is, by default, the collation of the first selected database, but i can't say i'm sure |
| 18:50.06 | SerajewelKS | explicitly setting it to utf8_bin is probably a good idea |
| 18:50.06 | themill | no... it's default is latin1 with a swedish collation ftl |
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| 18:50.07 | SerajewelKS | i know that's the defaut for database collations, but connections? |
| 18:50.07 | SerajewelKS | default* |
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| 18:50.07 | themill | yeah |
| 18:50.07 | SerajewelKS | yeah that's pretty sucktastic |
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| 18:50.08 | themill | oh yeah |
| 18:50.08 | SerajewelKS | IMHO, if you don't specify a collation, every operation should fail. it should require you to specify one. |
| 18:50.08 | SerajewelKS | no more of this implicit/default character set BS. this is 2011. |
| 18:50.08 | themill | s/collation/encoding/, but yes. |
| 18:50.08 | SerajewelKS | well in mysql land they're roughly synonymous :P |
| 18:50.11 | themill | ahh yes. Another master-stroke. |
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| 18:50.11 | SerajewelKS | hmm? |
| 18:50.11 | themill | </sarcasm> |
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| 18:50.11 | SerajewelKS | i figured, i'm just not familiar with the term "master-stroke" :P |
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| 18:50.11 | SerajewelKS | presumably it's pejorative |
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| 18:50.12 | SerajewelKS | but i'm a bad guesser, so... :) |
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| 18:50.12 | themill | !dict masterstroke |
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| 18:50.14 | dpkg | Dictionary 'masterstroke' an achievement demonstrating great skill or mastery |
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| 18:50.37 | SerajewelKS | anddam: aptitude -f install |
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| 18:51.05 | fken | SerajewelKS: :-# |
| 18:51.10 | SerajewelKS | anddam: if nothing happens, the package database is consistent and all dependencies are verified |
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| 18:51.27 | SerajewelKS | anddam: if action is required to fix the database or deal with dependency errors, that action will be performed |
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| 18:55.27 | fken | SerajewelKS: I checked every themill's dpkg advices and everything should be ok... but they aren't then I guess the problem comes from the data themselves |
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| 18:56.15 | fken | SerajewelKS: is it possible to make a mysqldump which would contains only the latest data? |
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| 18:57.40 | anddam | SerajewelKS: thx |
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| 18:57.56 | SerajewelKS | fken: mysqldump will contain only the data in the database, of course |
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| 18:58.19 | SerajewelKS | fken: you should specify the character set to use during the dump, of course |
| 18:58.21 | SerajewelKS | anddam: np |
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| 19:11.10 | fken | SerajewelKS: is 'mysqldump --default-character-set=utf8 europehabitat -p > temp' the good command line to make a dump with utf8 charset ? |
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| 19:16.52 | anddam | is aptitude supposed to install .desktop in /usr/share/applications ? |
| 19:17.08 | anddam | I just installed chromium-browser and enlightenment saw it |
| 19:17.27 | anddam | but it doesn't see other application I've installed, like eterm that is supposedly e-specific |
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| 19:18.30 | astrostl | if i have an unmet dependency package teed up for installation and it's blocking other apt-gets, how do i cancel that offending install? |
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| 19:19.04 | SerajewelKS | fken: probably :) |
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| 19:22.47 | fken | SerajewelKS: then the result of this dump is pretty strange: I know there are some data that should be ok but the dump display screwed data |
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| 19:23.33 | ElDiabolo | Is there a way to tell the dependency based boot that bringing up gdm is the number one priority? |
| 19:23.35 | fken | SerajewelKS: by the way, i am checking one thing now : it looks like my issue comes from concatened data only |
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| 19:24.16 | stew | ElDiabolo: no |
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| 19:25.21 | ElDiabolo | stew, thx |
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| 19:30.30 | ElDiabolo | stew, Hmmmm, a dummy init script that requires gdm and has a lot of X-Start-Befores might do it. |
| 19:30.42 | pyrony | what does it mean in aptitude when i do a search and on the leftmost column it says: "iB" or "pB" ? (instead of just "i" or "p") |
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| 19:31.12 | stew | pyrony: i'd try "aptitude reinstall packagename" or "aptitude -f install" |
| 19:31.21 | pyrony | interesting |
| 19:31.32 | pyrony | i ended up just manually installing the latest libcurl |
| 19:31.33 | stew | probably not in that order |
| 19:31.37 | pyrony | hehe |
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| 19:32.56 | blinki | is there an application to manage a bunch of debian boxes centrally in apt? |
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| 19:33.04 | blinki | not all in the same subnet |
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| 19:33.33 | fken | SerajewelKS: in fact, this has nothing to deal with concat but i realized 2 differents query which deals with the same mysql data are displayed differently even if it's displayed on the same html document |
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| 19:33.57 | stew | blinki: puppet |
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| 19:45.06 | lost_eden | I'm trying to scp a file to a new Debian 6 install but after entering my password I simply get a line of hash symbols ############### in my terminal & the file isn't copied? |
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| 19:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | lost_eden: Have you customized the shell or motd on the remote? |
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| 19:48.57 | lost_eden | jhutchins_lt: no, it's a fresh install, default sshd.conf, default motd, but customised .bashrc for the user logging in (though that hasn't been a problem before for other machines) |
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| 19:49.32 | jhutchins_lt | lost_eden: Try deactivating the .bashrc |
| 19:50.03 | lost_eden | jhutchins_lt: willdo |
| 19:51.07 | SerajewelKS | fken: that's always fun :) |
| 19:51.11 | lost_eden | jhutchins_lt: disabled .bashrc & scp is working; I haven't had a problem with my other machines with custom lines in .bashrc so I will have to investigate exactly what lines cause a problem |
| 19:51.15 | lost_eden | jhutchins_lt: thanks :) |
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| 19:51.43 | fken | SerajewelKS: when I write the query directly into mysql the accent issue is displayed then it doesnt deals with anything but mysql |
| 19:51.51 | fken | or my query |
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| 19:52.51 | SerajewelKS | fken: then it sounds like the data is not correct... |
| 19:53.01 | SerajewelKS | fken: perhaps the character set was not properly set during import? |
| 19:53.33 | ElDiabolo | stew, seems to work :) |
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| 19:55.26 | fken | SerajewelKS: what's strange is that when i send a query like select * from villes where nom like '%P%gueux'; it returns Périgueux. but when I send the other query i've Périgueux |
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| 19:59.30 | fken | SerajewelKS: it looks like the problem occurs when i make a jointure with a particular table |
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| 20:01.47 | stew | fken: is one table utf8 an the other latin1? |
| 20:02.12 | fken | stew: I am yet looking for a way to check that |
| 20:02.27 | stew | fken: show create table tablename |
| 20:02.39 | fken | thanks stew |
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| 20:05.30 | equi | HELLO! |
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| 20:06.10 | fken | stew: it's written utf8 but now i notice the issue disappear when I remove an integer data from my concat function... |
| 20:06.43 | fken | stew: i removed the integer data from the concat function when i removed the table |
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| 20:07.08 | fken | that's why i thought the issue came from the table |
| 20:07.10 | equi | is there someone who might be able to diagnose a problem with flash/iceweasel? please =D |
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| 20:07.42 | fken | equi: the problem is flsh i guess |
| 20:07.47 | fken | *flash |
| 20:08.05 | equi | i'd thought so. basically it's that youtube doesn't like me and crashes not just iceweasel |
| 20:08.12 | equi | but my entire system... it has neeever done this before. |
| 20:08.40 | equi | but yesterday it just started to get all weird. |
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| 20:08.50 | equi | completely out of the blue. no updates, nothing. |
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| 20:09.45 | equi | not sure how to only uninstall flash or something |
| 20:09.55 | equi | 'cause i'd rather like to be able to listen to music |
| 20:09.56 | equi | =3 |
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| 20:12.14 | fken | equi: i cant help you because i dont use flash with debian on my computer |
| 20:12.31 | SerajewelKS | equi: it *sounds* like perhaps there is a bug in your video display driver. i know flash supports some hardware-accelerated graphics, so maybe that layer is doing something that your display driver doesn't like? |
| 20:12.49 | SerajewelKS | equi: that seems like the most probable issue to me |
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| 20:18.35 | flargle | mumbles quietly to himself. |
| 20:18.51 | flargle | hmm.. |
| 20:19.02 | pyrony | indeed |
| 20:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | equi: Which architecture? |
| 20:19.18 | jaba | Good evening |
| 20:20.00 | flargle | jaba: Hello! |
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| 20:21.10 | gregore | hi, I did "xhost +localhost", but I still can't connect to my xserver with a different user. |
| 20:21.22 | gregore | If I do "xhost +" it works, but that's obviously not an option. |
| 20:21.45 | Jonny5^ | I am a complete linux newb. I need jabber, git, some file sharing and file management, maybe mumble, dns and vpn. I'm looking for reasons why I would choose a debian server over ubuntu. My machine is a pretty old P4 |
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| 20:22.05 | Jonny5^ | could you help me find some answers? |
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| 20:23.17 | bhodder | Hi i am trying to install debian via serial console and it hangs at the install options menu, anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 20:23.24 | gregore | "xhost +local" also doesn't work, btw. "xhost +username" also doesn't work. |
| 20:23.44 | equi | jhutchins_lt: i'm running crunchbang statler on a lenovo x100e |
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| 20:24.08 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 20:24.18 | equi | SerajewelKS: that sounds logical =D but i haven't a clue how to fix it (and thank you!). what can i do? |
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| 20:25.15 | b52 | can i tell start-stop-daemon --stop which kill signal to send? |
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| 20:26.40 | SerajewelKS | equi: hmm. if it's a kernel panic, take some logs and mail them to adobe or your driver vendor? ;) |
| 20:27.19 | equi | how can i know that? 0_o |
| 20:27.24 | jhutchins_lt | !crunchbang |
| 20:27.25 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>. |
| 20:27.29 | equi | i just wish i knew why it was shitting the bed like this |
| 20:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | equi: BTW it doesn't seem to be a problem on Debian lenny or squeeze. |
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| 20:31.15 | equi | jhutchins_lt: it's just completely random. which has me wondering wtf it is. SerajewelKS too =b |
| 20:31.54 | jhutchins_lt | equi: It's because you're running crunchbang, not debian. |
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| 20:35.35 | equi | jhutchins_lt: thanks =b but it's been so stable and sane! oh wellz. |
| 20:36.19 | bhodder | does anyone know how to pxe boot for install? |
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| 20:36.39 | abrotman | the manual covers that |
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| 20:36.39 | nsadmin | it's less about one particular thing (like stable or sane) but about who on #debian is going to say "I know enough about crunchbang to help you" |
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| 20:36.57 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. it's not going to happen here .. there's a channel for crunchbang ... this isn't it |
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| 20:37.30 | jhutchins_lt | !tell bhodder about ig |
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| 20:37.57 | equi | abrotman: i completely agree that there's a channel for #!, but given that it's a deb derivative and that it's helpful to ask lotsa people and be social, i thought i'd pop into here =) |
| 20:38.07 | abrotman | okay .. enough discussion .. have a nice day .. bye! |
| 20:38.43 | equi | was that an attempt to get me to leave? =( |
| 20:39.02 | stew | equi: feel free to stay as long as you like. please stay on topic though |
| 20:39.02 | nsadmin | this is considered a support channel... channels that are more social include #debian-offtopic and #defocus |
| 20:39.09 | abrotman | no, just to end the conversation about something offtopic |
| 20:39.18 | equi | oooh. |
| 20:39.26 | equi | gotcha. |
| 20:40.23 | nsadmin | I wouldn't say it's an antisocial channel, nor would it be correct to say that people working to support people are antisocial... |
| 20:40.41 | nsadmin | but this is not a social channel :) |
| 20:41.07 | abrotman | Move it to #debian-offtopic .. thanks |
| 20:41.32 | equi | i'm off anyway, but it was nice saying hi =) have a great day! |
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| 20:42.31 | nsadmin | any idea what "DAO UMA Graphics" are and whether squeeze supports that? |
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| 20:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: If you can get the pciid it's easier to search. |
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| 20:44.11 | abrotman | yay vesa? :) |
| 20:44.25 | nsadmin | it's a laptop I might get |
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| 20:45.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: oh .. bleh |
| 20:45.32 | koskoz | hi guys |
| 20:45.53 | koskoz | I've just upgraded my server from lenny to squeeze, and I wasn't asked to reboot it |
| 20:45.58 | koskoz | do I need do reboot it ? |
| 20:46.17 | nsadmin | prbably |
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| 20:47.27 | macrobat_ | koskoz: i guess you'd want the new kernel |
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| 20:48.21 | koskoz | ok, i'll reboot then :) |
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| 20:54.55 | t0th_- | hi |
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| 20:59.24 | filip | how can I properly update .po files in the dpkg source tree (for commit upstream)? |
| 20:59.30 | smacnay | found out that removing nvidia-glx from a working Debian sid borks it. Still not sure why xorg is on hold for updating. |
| 20:59.45 | filip | I mean the line numbers etc |
| 21:00.20 | dutchfish | filip: use the template .po file |
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| 21:00.40 | filip | dutchfish: dpkg-man.pot? |
| 21:01.11 | dutchfish | filip: i am not sure of its name, could be default or like template |
| 21:01.57 | filip | dutchfish: hm, any idea how can I rebuild it after changing the source code? |
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| 21:04.43 | yonahw | hi, I installed 6.0.0 amd64, everything went fine with install until came time to login, when I login I just get the default background and a mouse cursor. I can move the mouse but nothing else. It seems to me that gnome doesn't start a session, but I don't know all that much. Anyone here have any ideas? |
| 21:05.06 | dutchfish | filip: i believe man 7 po-debconf , would be helpfull |
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| 21:06.23 | dutchfish | filip: POTFILES.in holds all the .po files |
| 21:07.21 | filip | dutchfish: man 8 po-debconf seems debconf specific, I doubt debconf-updatepo would do a good thing in the dpkg source tree |
| 21:07.26 | filip | dutchfish: or am I missing something? |
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| 21:08.22 | filip | dutchfish: yeah, but what can use POTFILES.in? |
| 21:08.52 | dutchfish | filip: debian/rules |
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| 21:09.48 | dutchfish | filip: i am not a guru on this, if the manpage si gave don't answer it you may ask this in #debian-maintainers |
| 21:10.13 | filip | dutchfish: how about running xgettext -f POTFILES.in |
| 21:10.14 | filip | ? |
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| 21:11.37 | dutchfish | filip: When a C file is automatically generated by a tool, like flex or bison, that doesn't introduce translatable strings by itself, it is recommended to list in po/POTFILES.in the real source file |
| 21:12.08 | dutchfish | filip: is that what you meant? |
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| 21:12.38 | yonahw | so I have tried installing fglrx drivers but that hasn't helped me get anywhere either |
| 21:13.21 | filip | dutchfish: no :( |
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| 21:14.06 | filip | dutchfish: I've edited update-alternatives.c adding some translation strings and changing others |
| 21:14.10 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: What chipset? |
| 21:14.22 | filip | dutchfish: so I guess I need to make po/dpkg.pot reflect these changes. But I have no idea how to do it |
| 21:14.33 | filip | dutchfish: Makefiles don't seem to provide anything for that |
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| 21:14.58 | gregore | I, I'm trying to connect to my xserver with a different user, but it's simply not working. I tried "xhost +localhost", "xhost +local", "xhost +usermane" and nothing works. "xhost +" works but that's not an acceptable solution for me. |
| 21:15.01 | dutchfish | filip: well, actually they do; sort of: http://po4a.alioth.debian.org/man/man7/po4a-runtime.7.php |
| 21:15.02 | gregore | any suggestions? |
| 21:16.41 | dutchfish | filip: i hope those hints helped a bit; i am actually studying the nitty gritty myself ... so i am not a guru |
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| 21:17.41 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: whats the easiest way to definitively determine the chipset? |
| 21:18.15 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: lspci -n |
| 21:18.34 | dutchfish | filip: last but not least study also dh_installman |
| 21:19.00 | filip | dutchfish: geez and here I hoped that it would just be a finishing touch |
| 21:19.32 | dutchfish | filip: don't blame the messenger ;) as i said i am studying this myself. |
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| 21:19.57 | filip | dutchfish: thanks for help :) |
| 21:20.04 | dutchfish | yw |
| 21:20.24 | filip | oh, nice: config.status: error: cannot find input file: `dselect/po/Makefile.in.in' |
| 21:20.40 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: long list of numbers |
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| 21:21.52 | dutchfish | filip: mm... looks like ./configure --prefix=/myprefix | is wrong |
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| 21:22.53 | dutchfish | filip: also whats automake --version ? |
| 21:22.57 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: -n just shows numeric id's it seems |
| 21:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: Which is what? |
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| 21:25.18 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: long list of numbers~ (REV 13): |
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| 21:25.46 | yonahw | I am running an i7 and had previously been running ubuntu x64 on this machine |
| 21:26.37 | filip | dutchfish: 1.11 |
| 21:26.50 | dutchfish | filip: 1.11.1 it should be |
| 21:27.34 | filip | daaamn |
| 21:28.06 | dutchfish | filip: i hope not ;) |
| 21:28.55 | tharkun | Getlemen what program can i use to listen to the mic input signal? |
| 21:29.10 | filip | tharkun: I used to pipe arecord to aplay |
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| 21:30.22 | AgentC | can anyone help me and my friend with an audio problem on debian squeeze ? |
| 21:30.28 | filip | dutchfish: it worked with 1.11.1 :) |
| 21:30.37 | dutchfish | filip: there you go ;) |
| 21:31.17 | filip | dutchfish: yeah, and I can even rebuild the .pot file :D |
| 21:31.24 | dutchfish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.26 | filip | dutchfish: ok enough for today, again thanks for your help :) |
| 21:32.27 | filip | bye |
| 21:32.31 | dutchfish | gl |
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| 21:34.03 | AgentC | what to do when mplayer plays with half of sample-freq on normal settings ? is there a way to auto-config the sound-interfaces ? (squeeze) ? |
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| 21:35.46 | jhutchins_lt | AgentC: Has he done a full dist-upgrade to the system? |
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| 21:38.15 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: We're looking for two groups of four digits seperated by a colon - 8086:2448 for instance |
| 21:38.44 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: -nn gives both text and numeric id. |
| 21:38.54 | AgentC | jhutchins_lt: i'll advice him to upgrade now. |
| 21:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | AgentC: Best to start from a known state. |
| 21:39.23 | AgentC | jhutchins_lt: apt-get dist-upgrade, right ? |
| 21:39.49 | jhutchins_lt | AgentC: aptitude full-upgrade would be my preference. |
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| 21:40.36 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: sorry somehow that info got garbled in my typing, its 8086:3405 |
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| 21:40.41 | AgentC | jhutchins_lt: we'll try |
| 21:41.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 8086:3405 |
| 21:41.04 | judd | [8086:3405] is '5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub to ESI Port' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3405 |
| 21:41.28 | jhutchins_lt | !tell AgentC about ssb |
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| 21:42.01 | gregore | is "xhost +" safe if X is started with "-nolisten tcp"? |
| 21:42.01 | jhutchins_lt | Hey, Intel, ever hear of "backward compatibility"? Didn't Itanium teach you anything? |
| 21:43.21 | tharkun | filip: it does work despite the lack of quaility of the audio |
| 21:44.54 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: I am thoroughly confused, will that url help me? (I am running in different tty's all text with no copy paste, so don't want to needlessly write down etc) |
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| 21:47.32 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: Basically you need to backport those two kernel modules from sid, or wait a bit for the sid kernel to be backported to stable. |
| 21:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 21:47.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 21:50.43 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: and how would I backport the kernel? would changing from main to unstable allow me to install the kernel? |
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| 21:51.07 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: Yes, likely at the expense of a usable system. |
| 21:51.18 | Bas_The_Real_One | hey all, does any know how to write a driver for a soundcard which isn't supported by oss or alsa? |
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| 21:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: You don't need to backport the whole kernel, just those two modules. |
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| 21:52.42 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: I'm afraid I don't have any specific knowledge regarding backporting modules from sid though |
| 21:53.23 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: gotcha, although I have to wonder about at the expense of a usable system since current system as is isn't very usable |
| 21:53.37 | jhutchins_lt | !unstable |
| 21:53.38 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 21:53.42 | yonahw | although I guess technically I am using it right now, I'm not happy with the experience to say the least |
| 21:55.08 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: End-user satisfaction is NOT the goal of sid. |
| 21:55.11 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: thank you very much for your assistance. I'm going to try and see how much further I can get with this new found info. |
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| 21:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: The sid kernel hasn't been backported yet because it has too many problems. |
| 21:55.57 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: I understand the goal of sid and am not planning on moving to sid, my question was really just about getting the necessary modules |
| 21:56.03 | Bas_The_Real_One | hey anyone here as experience with writing drivers for linux? |
| 21:56.21 | valdyn | Bas_The_Real_One: this is off topic, this is also documented elsewhere ( use google ) |
| 21:56.31 | zinx | Bas_The_Real_One: try #kernelnewbies |
| 21:56.33 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: See if you can catch stew or themill and ask them about backporting kernel modules. |
| 21:57.12 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: thanks, I'll hang out a little and see if they pipe up |
| 21:57.53 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: why are you convinced that those missing modules are the issue? I'm trying to understand what led you to immediately asking about the chipset. |
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| 21:59.08 | jhutchins_lt2 | Actually.... you were originally asking about a video problem, weren't you? |
| 21:59.20 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw: The PCIID you posted was for a sound card |
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| 22:00.08 | yonahw | jhutchins_lt: I am indeed experiencing a video problem let me run lspci -nn and that should help me find the video card chipset |
| 22:00.16 | AgentC | jhutchins_lt: he made a full upgrade but prob is the same with std 2.6.32-5 |
| 22:01.01 | jhutchins_lt | AgentC: Ok, at least everything's current. Stuttering playback that didn't happen on lenny, right? |
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| 22:01.23 | AgentC | jhutchins_lt: something wrong with his config. on his 2.6.37.2 kernel (selfcompiled) sound if dont stotters but in too slow playback frequency |
| 22:02.22 | yonahw | ,pciid 1002:9490 |
| 22:02.22 | judd | [1002:9490] is 'RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9490 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 22:03.06 | AgentC | jhutchins_lt: he's using squeeze like me |
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| 22:04.28 | iceisfun | I'm having trouble setting up brctl bridge with arp requests not crossing |
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| 22:05.12 | iceisfun | here is what i am seeing on the bridge, http://pastebin.com/bXZwmH8u |
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| 22:05.22 | iceisfun | debian 6 with standard bridge-utils |
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| 22:06.04 | ivanberia | hello, i was wondering if anyone knew where i could find debian 5.03 |
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| 22:06.23 | dutchfish | iceisfun: Proxy-ARP |
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| 22:07.11 | dutchfish | iceisfun: something like echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ethL/proxy_arp, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ethR/proxy_arp |
| 22:07.50 | iceisfun | Right, I did that and its still just doing the same thing |
| 22:08.23 | dutchfish | iceisfun: and ip_forwarding is on? |
| 22:08.27 | iceisfun | Yes |
| 22:09.14 | dutchfish | iceisfun: well, last thingy, clear the arpcache after the bridge went up |
| 22:09.37 | dutchfish | iceisfun: the box might contain prebridge arp-cached items |
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| 22:10.34 | dutchfish | iceisfun: use arping to check stuff out |
| 22:10.39 | iceisfun | dutchfish: cleared the entire arp table and its no good |
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| 22:11.14 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 22:11.28 | iceisfun | I know.. I have two other boxes like this but they are centos and work fine |
| 22:11.33 | iceisfun | I must have missed something dumb |
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| 22:12.38 | iceisfun | the bridge itself can ping my gateway (192.168.3.1) arping can't, it shows up as ? (192.168.3.1) at 00:1b:21:54:95:e4 [ether] on BRIDGE |
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| 22:14.24 | dutchfish | iceisfun: are the bridge ends distinguishly bound the phys interface? |
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| 22:14.41 | dutchfish | (with brctl) |
| 22:14.49 | iceisfun | physical interfaces eth0 (gateway on this side) eth1 (hosts on this side) |
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| 22:19.15 | hu | Hello, I've alsa installed and I can play sounds. However, alsamixer shows no control for my device |
| 22:19.20 | hu | how can I solve this? |
| 22:19.25 | dutchfish | iceisfun: can you pastebin route -vn? |
| 22:19.34 | iceisfun | brctl shows some good stuff too |
| 22:19.46 | iceisfun | gateway mac is on port 1, hosts are on port 2 |
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| 22:20.18 | iceisfun | http://pastebin.com/JCf6ZzgY |
| 22:20.27 | solar_sea | how do I disable the ipv6 address for a given interface ? |
| 22:20.44 | dutchfish | iceisfun: well, rince and repeat then, check with route -vn that they ar ebound to the right phys interfaces |
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| 22:21.44 | iceisfun | what does the local machines route have to do with the bridge? |
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| 22:22.15 | dutchfish | the bridge is part of it |
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| 22:28.25 | johndoe | im using gnome and im wondering how can i bind an action to Ctrl+Alt+MouseWheelUp? |
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| 22:31.33 | ealexp_ | hi |
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| 22:31.42 | ealexp_ | phpmyadmin show me this message : "Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.51a differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.49. This may cause unpredictable behavior." |
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| 22:32.02 | ealexp_ | but the version of libmysqlclient16 is 5.1.49-3 |
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| 22:32.27 | ealexp_ | why ? |
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| 22:39.59 | valdyn | ealexp_: and there could be something conflicting in /usr/local/lib/ |
| 22:40.50 | ealexp_ | valdyn: there isn't anything related to mysql |
| 22:40.54 | ealexp_ | in /usr/local/lib |
| 22:40.55 | ealexp_ | root@server5:/usr/local/lib# ls |
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| 22:40.55 | ealexp_ | couchdb erlang irssi libpython2.7.a ocaml perl pkgconfig python2.4 python2.5 python2.7 python3.1 site_ruby weechat znc |
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| 22:41.22 | valdyn | judd: versions php5-mysql |
| 22:41.23 | judd | Package php5-mysql on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; sid: 5.3.5-1 |
| 22:41.49 | ealexp_ | I'm using Debian Stable (squeeze) |
| 22:45.23 | ealexp_ | valdyn ? |
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| 22:49.07 | mitch05 | hi, I'm trying to setup my scanner under debian, and while it shows up alright in sane-find-scanners, it doesn't show up at all with scanimage, or simple-scan |
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| 22:50.02 | tarzeau | mitch05: what about xsane? |
| 22:50.15 | tarzeau | mitch05: as which user? the user has permissions to the device? usb connected scanner? |
| 22:50.24 | tarzeau | mitch05: which scanner is it exactly - just being curious) |
| 22:50.28 | streuner | just get a scanner which is suported |
| 22:50.41 | tarzeau | streuner: it's probably supported, but just a permission problem? |
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| 22:50.50 | mitch05 | streuner: really? REALLY? |
| 22:50.50 | tarzeau | streuner: hej btw :) |
| 22:50.59 | streuner | nah :-) |
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| 22:51.21 | tarzeau | mitch05: what do you want to scan exactly? photos? text? |
| 22:51.24 | latsni | ealexp_: what is the output of dpkg -l *mysql* |
| 22:51.29 | mitch05 | tarzeau: streuner: yes it's usb, I'm trying as root (just to get it setup), and it's listed as "Good" on the SANE site, (Samsung) |
| 22:51.31 | streuner | mitch05: which crap did you bug? :-P |
| 22:51.49 | tarzeau | mitch05: are you sure the material you want to scan is not copyrighted? |
| 22:51.53 | streuner | s/bug/buy/ |
| 22:51.57 | tarzeau | streuner: cheapest samsung probably |
| 22:52.03 | streuner | hm |
| 22:52.05 | mitch05 | scx-4200 |
| 22:52.15 | streuner | welll |
| 22:52.19 | tarzeau | hahhahaha |
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| 22:52.24 | tarzeau | MFP crap |
| 22:52.25 | mitch05 | it worked under ubuntu, and I've used it before under debian, but this is a fresh install. |
| 22:53.13 | ealexp_ | latsni: http://pastebin.com/Y7LW5eaD |
| 22:53.28 | streuner | if it works under *bunt* it shoudnt make many problems under Debian |
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| 22:53.52 | tarzeau | streuner: that's not always the case |
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| 22:55.19 | mitch05 | I assume that It's just not configured, cause it shows up, it just doesn't show up under the scanning apps, just sane-find-scanner |
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| 22:55.37 | tarzeau | mitch05: tried running xsane? |
| 22:55.47 | mitch05 | yes, also nothing |
| 22:55.56 | tarzeau | mitch05: i'd bring it back (say it' |
| 22:56.00 | tarzeau | s broken ;) |
| 22:56.15 | mitch05 | tarzeau: it's not new, and it's a shared scanner. |
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| 22:56.36 | mitch05 | works just fine. Could it be some weird perms problem or something. |
| 22:56.50 | tarzeau | mitch05: not if you've tried as root |
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| 22:57.41 | mitch05 | it always "just worked" before... this is why we like ubuntu. |
| 22:57.52 | tarzeau | mitch05: it's not like we don't like ubuntu |
| 22:57.56 | mitch05 | if it weren't just so damn sloppy |
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| 22:58.04 | tarzeau | mitch05: ubuntu is sloppy? |
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| 22:58.13 | tarzeau | mitch05: GNOME is! |
| 22:58.26 | tarzeau | gnome is a product of ICAZA, and not GNU. that's why it's sloppy |
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| 22:58.29 | mitch05 | tarzeau: it isn't as clean and efficient as a comperable install of debian |
| 22:58.44 | tarzeau | and gtk is not the brightes thought thorougly api |
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| 22:59.00 | tarzeau | mitch05: but it can be made to be so |
| 22:59.02 | streuner | tarzeau: you waste time! |
| 22:59.21 | tarzeau | streuner: that's fine. last day tomorrow, then weekend. and i've got two wonderful weekends ahead |
| 22:59.31 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:59.33 | tarzeau | and a HELLAU tuesday afternoon/night ahead |
| 22:59.37 | mitch05 | tarzeau: I know, (actually, I didn't know it wasn't owned by gnu), but ubuntu isn't as snappy as a nice install of debian even without gnome. |
| 23:00.06 | tarzeau | mitch05: it's linux, just get rid of what makes it slow and it's exactly as efficient as debian |
| 23:00.23 | tarzeau | mitch05: both have gnu software with a linux kernel. one runs more random software that's not needed |
| 23:00.27 | mitch05 | tarzeau: with debian I don't have to ;) |
| 23:00.28 | tarzeau | mitch05: just turn those off |
| 23:00.35 | tarzeau | mitch05: so what? |
| 23:00.45 | tarzeau | mitch05: you know what i do, when i'm stuck like you? |
| 23:01.00 | mitch05 | get ice cream. |
| 23:01.06 | tarzeau | not quite. heh |
| 23:01.18 | mitch05 | ??... |
| 23:01.23 | mitch05 | do tell. |
| 23:01.24 | tarzeau | but almost. i play nethack, it's so inspiring. like in russia, problems get solved by themself |
| 23:01.34 | tarzeau | we don't have ice cream at work... |
| 23:01.46 | tarzeau | besides i'd prefer an ice cold beer instead |
| 23:01.48 | mitch05 | tarzeau: nethack, IDK which one that is. |
| 23:01.55 | tarzeau | IDK? |
| 23:02.02 | mitch05 | I Don't Know |
| 23:02.08 | streuner | dpkg, idk |
| 23:02.09 | dpkg | from memory, idk is I don't know... Do you? |
| 23:02.10 | tarzeau | mitch05: www.nethack.org |
| 23:02.18 | tarzeau | dpkg eat streuner |
| 23:02.18 | dpkg | eats streuner, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 23:02.23 | tarzeau | haha it still works. lovely |
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| 23:02.46 | tarzeau | didn't the questions pop up yet: should i take debian gnu/linux or gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 23:02.48 | exio4 | hi =) |
| 23:02.52 | tarzeau | or did i miss all the fun? |
| 23:02.58 | exio4 | me have a this problem :P |
| 23:03.00 | exio4 | E: Unable to determine a suitable packaging system type |
| 23:03.07 | exio4 | help ? |
| 23:03.21 | tarzeau | exio4: what did you do? vi your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 23:03.43 | SushiDude | tarzeau, what ever works best for you? |
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| 23:04.06 | SushiDude | tarzeau, I would go with what works the best with my hardware... |
| 23:04.08 | tarzeau | SushiDude: it wasn't an actual question of me. but thanks for the hint |
| 23:04.09 | exio4 | have a one line.. deb- http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing contrib non-free main |
| 23:04.25 | SushiDude | tarzeau, =) |
| 23:04.25 | tarzeau | exio4: with the dash right after deb? |
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| 23:04.37 | mitch05 | tarzeau: ooohhhh, it's text based, long time no see. |
| 23:04.38 | exio4 | : |
| 23:04.39 | exio4 | :P |
| 23:04.40 | tarzeau | exio4: and you probably don't want "testing", do you? |
| 23:04.43 | exio4 | a error :P |
| 23:04.44 | mitch05 | prefers freedroid |
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| 23:04.49 | tarzeau | mitch05: long time no see? |
| 23:05.04 | tarzeau | mitch05: it's GRAPHICAL! although very rudimentary |
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| 23:05.15 | mitch05 | tarzeau: a text based gui game. |
| 23:05.16 | exio4 | a error continue :( |
| 23:05.23 | tarzeau | exio4: did you apt-get update? |
| 23:06.17 | exio4 | apt-get? |
| 23:06.18 | exio4 | how? |
| 23:06.25 | exio4 | copy a result of command? :? |
| 23:06.30 | streuner | lol |
| 23:06.40 | tarzeau | streuner: what happened to here? |
| 23:06.49 | exio4 | me not say english native :P |
| 23:07.02 | streuner | tarzeau: a waste of time :-P |
| 23:07.19 | streuner | somebody who using sid and has no idea about :-P |
| 23:07.26 | tarzeau | streuner: stop telling me. same for you! |
| 23:07.46 | exio4 | ???? |
| 23:08.09 | streuner | dude, you dont know about apt-get?... |
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| 23:08.31 | streuner | you shouldnt use sid then |
| 23:08.45 | tarzeau | streuner: he had testing in his line, didn't he. but that's (IMHO) worse than sid |
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| 23:09.07 | streuner | sure, these times, sure |
| 23:09.08 | exio4 | a little :P |
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| 23:09.15 | mitch05 | tarzeau: ouch, why I'm testing? |
| 23:09.22 | streuner | testing is a nightmare these days... |
| 23:09.33 | exio4 | a apt-get update in gentoo result in E: Unable to determine a suitable packaging system type hehe |
| 23:09.34 | mitch05 | exio4: as root, type on the command line apt-get update |
| 23:09.46 | lynks | i say go experimental and hold on tight |
| 23:09.46 | tarzeau | streuner: testing always was a nightmare, if you ask me. either stick to stable or unstable |
| 23:09.47 | exio4 | me use a chroot enviroment :P |
| 23:09.58 | mitch05 | exio4: are you using debian or gentoo? |
| 23:10.19 | exio4 | debian and gentoo in chroot, in gentoo run apt-get update and this error :P |
| 23:10.25 | streuner | tarzeau: its my optinon, but most people here just shoot you :-P |
| 23:10.48 | exio4 | hehe, me are crazy :P |
| 23:10.49 | mitch05 | exio4: you shouldn't be using apt in gentoo, unless you have it (and dpkg) setup. |
| 23:11.10 | mitch05 | exio4: use emerge in gentoo |
| 23:11.10 | exio4 | dpkg and gnupg (and zlib) installed on gentoo |
| 23:11.10 | dpkg | exio4: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:11.35 | exio4 | it's a experiment |
| 23:12.06 | streuner | tarzeau: nah, its just now, testing isnt useful these days.., thats all |
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| 23:12.20 | mitch05 | exio4: you'd probably be better to go ask in #gentoo. |
| 23:12.26 | exio4 | ok, ;) |
| 23:12.34 | streuner | tarzeau: just too many headaches, but usually useful |
| 23:13.12 | streuner | tarzeau: (after stable releases) |
| 23:13.22 | mitch05 | tarzeau: on the note of GNOME being slow, I like unity a bit, look forward to trying out 11.04 next month. |
| 23:13.50 | tarzeau | mitch05: i don't really care - need it for work. personally prefer wmaker/gnustep and openstep |
| 23:14.29 | mitch05 | tarzeau: nope, too basic for me. I like E17 the best, just wish it'd get a little more, put together. |
| 23:14.47 | lynks | i always recommend fluxbox |
| 23:14.49 | tarzeau | mitch05: you know Window Maker? and GNUstep? |
| 23:15.08 | tarzeau | lynks: nobody asked you |
| 23:15.18 | mitch05 | hm, my clock suddenly things that it's almost midnight. I wonder why the sun is still out, maybe it doesn't know. |
| 23:15.37 | mitch05 | tarzeau: haven't used gnustep. think i've used wm before. |
| 23:15.43 | tarzeau | lynks: heh sorry :) slipped out my fingers |
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| 23:16.17 | lynks | you sound about 12, but if youre 12 and using debian i guess you must be an ok 12 year old :P |
| 23:17.00 | streuner | is almost 4 |
| 23:17.03 | streuner | is almost 49 |
| 23:17.09 | tarzeau | i knew you're from overseas... |
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| 23:17.29 | tarzeau | lynks: my point was that you didn't get the point |
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| 23:17.49 | lynks | im uncloaked, it doesnt take a genius to see im from the uk |
| 23:17.55 | mitch05 | brb |
| 23:17.59 | tarzeau | lynks: it's not just about window management. any window manager is pretty fast, unless written horribly |
| 23:18.08 | streuner | lynks: heh |
| 23:18.14 | ngwill | Hi, I have a PC with 2 ethernet ports. Is it possible to connect a crossover cable between the ports and ping? |
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| 23:18.28 | tarzeau | uk, us. almost the same |
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| 23:18.35 | tarzeau | lynks: you drive on the wrong side |
| 23:18.40 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:18.48 | streuner | lol |
| 23:19.05 | lynks | i landed in the middle of a conversation about window managers, nobody mentioned fluxbox, so i dropped it in because its great |
| 23:19.19 | lynks | i tend to dive on the right whenever i can |
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| 23:19.43 | streuner | (we prefer real questions here) |
| 23:20.01 | streuner | some special questions.... |
| 23:20.51 | streuner | otherwise just go to #debian-ot then |
| 23:21.09 | lynks | does the one about where babies come from count? |
| 23:21.18 | streuner | lol |
| 23:21.34 | lynks | i do actually have a question |
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| 23:22.13 | lynks | i find iceweasel to heavy, but elinks too light, is there a browser in between the two? |
| 23:22.19 | thewanderer1 | ngwill: if they are 2 network interfaces, yes. otherwise, maybe. |
| 23:22.37 | thewanderer1 | lynks: chromium-browser is lighter in many use cases than iceweasel |
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| 23:22.49 | streuner | lynks: iceweasel just sucks, but some people just need it :-P |
| 23:23.22 | lynks | im starting to realise iceweasel does suck a little, its like all the heaviness of FF without quite all the functionality |
| 23:23.25 | thewanderer1 | there's also Arora - pretty decent, if you ask me. stopped using it when Chromium appeared, but still cool |
| 23:24.07 | streuner | lynks: to tell you the truth, all modern browsers just sucks |
| 23:24.47 | lynks | i get used to the speed of a terminal browser, then when i need a proper render im depressed at how slow things are |
| 23:25.06 | streuner | lynks: its because, most websites uses modern (studip) stuff to make headaches... |
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| 23:25.23 | demetan | hi |
| 23:25.32 | lynks | haha you dont have to tell me, ive worked as a web developer - the number of times i had to convince clients NOT to use flash.. |
| 23:25.43 | streuner | lol |
| 23:26.00 | streuner | great |
| 23:26.18 | lynks | its a strange business...the demands are so out of sync with the technology |
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| 23:26.49 | SushiDude | lynks, I demand that you install IE 5 on to my computer =P |
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| 23:27.14 | lynks | :P we always tested in IE5, just to have a laugh |
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| 23:28.28 | SuperDupr | anybody here familiar with clive |
| 23:28.38 | lynks | i know a clive robinson |
| 23:28.50 | lynks | i think he may have died though... |
| 23:28.57 | SushiDude | lynks, I have IE 5 for mac.. =P |
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| 23:29.14 | ngwill | thewanderer1: They are separate interfaces. If I give them IPs 192.168.0.100(eth0) and 101(eth1) and use ping -I eth0 192.168.0.101 I get Destination Host Unreachable. |
| 23:29.20 | nasstop | Does anybody know how to get X to work with an PowerMac G4 MDD |
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| 23:30.16 | streuner | SushiDude: lol |
| 23:30.40 | SushiDude | streuner, I have it on a old mac.. it is EPIC =P... |
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| 23:31.08 | SushiDude | I find safari 1 faster then IE 5 |
| 23:31.25 | lynks | ie5 just makes arbitrary decisions about what to render |
| 23:31.52 | streuner | SushiDude: sure, but Safari is a mightmare :-P |
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| 23:32.13 | themill | #web, #debian-offtopic, /msg ... but probably not #debian |
| 23:32.30 | SushiDude | streuner, it is better then IE.. |
| 23:32.46 | SushiDude | themill, sorry.. |
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| 23:35.37 | streuner | anyway, i prefer iceweasel, in OSX those browers are just a nightmare... |
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| 23:36.29 | streuner | well, in Linux browers arent well, but more useful vs. in other OSs |
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| 23:38.32 | thewanderer1 | ngwill: routing problem |
| 23:38.38 | streuner | Safari is a nightmare, IMO |
| 23:41.07 | SushiDude | streuner, I like google chrome and chromium. |
| 23:41.34 | streuner | SushiDude: sure, they are more stable |
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| 23:42.19 | lynks | in conky, i have ${addr eth0}, but im behind a NAT, say i wanted to get the WAN ip, anyone got any ideas? |
| 23:42.24 | SushiDude | streuner, I run the dev and canary versions, I also run minefield. |
| 23:43.04 | streuner | SushiDude: hm, i used only the Debian versions.... |
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| 23:43.32 | SushiDude | is a rule breaker and is using fedora right now |
| 23:43.34 | SushiDude | =P |
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| 23:43.51 | SushiDude | streuner, I run debian on my servers. |
| 23:44.45 | streuner | SushiDude: well, the new version in sid, just cannot handle flash stuff at all |
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| 23:45.31 | robokop | lynks: wget whatsmyip.org |
| 23:45.41 | streuner | SushiDude: iceweasel and flash is a nightmare in sid |
| 23:46.09 | fken | stew: hello. I confirm you that you must add cast( INT_VARIABLE as char ) when you try to use this variable in a concat function in mysql. |
| 23:46.50 | fken | It solve one of my troubles and i'll check tomorrow if it's in relationship with my other issue |
| 23:46.56 | fken | see you |
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| 23:47.56 | lynks | robokop, sure i can grab the html and parse the ip, but how do i get a script to run from conky? |
| 23:48.30 | robokop | lynks: ${exec <cmd>} |
| 23:48.45 | lynks | ahh great thankyou |
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| 23:49.48 | lynks | before i dive into this, is there a site that will return JUST the ip, without me having to parse anything, like an api for whatismyip ? |
| 23:50.01 | klemax | hello. was assigned a ip to a container on proxmox web panel, but i cant reach the server. |
| 23:50.16 | klemax | which device should i assign ips for giving them containers? |
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| 23:51.06 | robokop | lynks: dunno, but a simple sed expression should do the trick |
| 23:51.24 | ivanberia1 | hey, does anyone know where i can find debian 5.03? |
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| 23:52.01 | streuner | sounds like lenny, why do you want lenny at all? |
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| 23:52.18 | streuner | dpkg, lenny |
| 23:52.18 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 23:52.29 | robokop | lynks: http://www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp |
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| 23:52.53 | ivanberia1 | because i'm in a competition where we have to secure a server that is running on lenny and i want to test securing it beforehand |
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| 23:53.45 | lynks | great find thank robokop, i was just googling :) |
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| 23:55.05 | streuner | ivanberia1: basically i would just use the new stable squeeze |
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| 23:55.54 | ivanberia1 | ok, though i'd prefer to use lenny since that is what i will be given there and practicing securing a newer distro with fewer holes won't be as much of a help |
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| 23:58.23 | streuner | ivanberia1: production server? i would just use squeeze |
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| 23:59.05 | ivanberia1 | ok, though i will have to work on a lenny server later and will not be able to update the operating system |
| 23:59.34 | ivanberia1 | because it won't be directly connected to the internet and upgrading it is not feasible |
