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| 00:20.35 | neoice | is there any way to get dmcs (the Mono2.6/.NET 4 compiler) in Debian? its not in sid or backports mono packages. |
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| 00:24.56 | dondelelcaro | neoice: the only one we distribute is smcs |
| 00:25.51 | dondelelcaro | neoice: you could certainly package it yourself, but I'm not sure if anyone is working on it for Debian. |
| 00:26.00 | dondelelcaro | (you might try asking the mono packaging group) |
| 00:26.36 | neoice | gmcs is in Lenny and there's a 2.6 version in backports and greater |
| 00:26.58 | neoice | dmcs is based on 4.0 preview, so there's no guarentee it even has the feature I'm looking for |
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| 00:30.25 | dondelelcaro | no clue; I don't work with mono at all |
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| 01:42.02 | Some_Person | My speeds when downloading the Debian Live CD have been very erratic -- not sure if it's my wifi interference issue or the server, but I'm annoyingly waiting a long time for it to finish |
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| 01:45.34 | Some_Person | It's been bouncing between about 10 KB/s and 300 KB/s |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | maybe you're sharing with other people ? |
| 01:47.34 | Some_Person | you mean on my end or the server? |
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| 01:49.03 | Some_Person | I do have wifi interference issues -- that's what you get in a large apartment complex with 13 routers detectable from my bedroom (no joke) |
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| 01:51.57 | abrotman | Some_Person: perhaps you should share :) |
| 01:53.38 | Some_Person | I want to just smash their routers -- then I'd get my full 12 mbit/s speed over wifi |
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| 01:55.19 | dondelelcaro | Some_Person: you could just switch to A instead of B/G/N |
| 01:55.30 | dondelelcaro | does that occasionally when these issues crop up |
| 01:55.56 | Some_Person | My router can't do that -- it's only b or g |
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| 01:56.27 | dondelelcaro | get a better router, or use a bridge... |
| 01:57.05 | Some_Person | I have 2 routers, and neither one helps with the problem |
| 01:59.17 | Some_Person | I've talked to the people in #ubuntu-offtopic and my compsci teacher about it, and nobody seems to be able to come up with a solution |
| 01:59.50 | Some_Person | (well, my teacher actually suggested a Faraday cage) |
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| 02:04.29 | Bushmills | turn your's off and use a neighbours' router |
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| 02:07.55 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite Bushmills |
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| 02:19.02 | Some_Person | Bushmills: I have actually broken into 2 of my neighbors' routers, but they have slower connections |
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| 02:26.59 | qiyong | gnu vs lion |
| 02:27.06 | qiyong | http://tech.sina.com.cn/d/2011-01-20/09285112351.shtml |
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| 02:30.54 | jmarsden | Some_Person: Isn't the simple solution a Cat5 cable between your computer and your router? It seems unlikely your neighbours will interfere with that :) |
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| 02:44.23 | jimcooncat | can I get a list of all commands used that depend on a DISPLAY or x-windows? |
| 02:44.37 | jimcooncat | that exist on my machine |
| 02:44.39 | reg3x | hi. can someone tell me which is the irc server where #debian-mentors is ? |
| 02:45.13 | jordanm | jimcooncat: apt-cache rdpends xserver-xorg |
| 02:45.19 | jordanm | reg3x: irc.debian.org |
| 02:45.24 | jordanm | (oftc) |
| 02:45.38 | jordanm | jimcooncat: erm rdepends |
| 02:46.22 | reg3x | thank you jordanm |
| 02:46.29 | jimcooncat | jordanm, thanks. I want to add aliases to background those programs when I type them in. Off to read man bash |
| 02:47.10 | reg3x | which port jordanm ? |
| 02:47.26 | jordanm | 6667 |
| 02:47.31 | reg3x | thanks |
| 02:48.10 | jimcooncat | must have to recurse rdepends, I don't see liferea and abiword |
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| 02:49.16 | jordanm | ,depends abiword |
| 02:49.18 | judd | Package abiword -- depends: libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a (>= 1.2.1+dev-0.12), libaiksaurusgtk-1.2-0c2a (>= 1.2.1+dev-0.12), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libenchant1c2a, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libfribidi0 (>= 0.10.9), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), |
| 02:49.19 | judd | libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeprint2.2-0 (>= 2.17.0), libgnomeprintui2.2-0 (>= 2.17.0), libgoffice-0-4 (>= 0.4.2), libgsf-1-114 (>= 1.14.8), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libloudmouth1-0 (>= 1.1.4-2), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libots0, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libpixman-1-0, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), libreadline5 (1 more message) |
| 02:49.46 | jordanm | yeah, I suppose X applications don't always depend on X |
| 02:50.17 | jimcooncat | probably don't care if there is an xserver installed, as long as there's a DISPLAY available |
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| 02:58.29 | Some_Person | jmarsden: Yes, although that would require running one across the apartment. To get it out of the way of everything, maybe 100ft of cabling? |
| 02:59.28 | jmarsden | Go for it. 100ft cat5 patch cables exist, we have a pile in our networking stock cupboard at work :) |
| 03:00.35 | peterrooney | or, by the time you've rube goldberged that in place, the main download would be finished |
| 03:00.59 | wissem | hi all |
| 03:01.00 | wissem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.29 | wissem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.30 | wissem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.10 | jmarsden | peterrooney: But that way he'll always have a decent connection to his router, and it's much cheaper than switching to 802.11a gear. |
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| 03:05.19 | SpaceAviator | does the AMD version here http://www.salineos.com/downloads.php mean its the 64 bit version? |
| 03:06.43 | man_in_ltop | is that a debian question? |
| 03:07.05 | jordanm | !tell SpaceAviator about based on debian |
| 03:07.37 | SpaceAviator | jordanm its a simple question. And I know that dpkg is telling me. |
| 03:08.34 | jordanm | SpaceAviator: ask their support or download debian instead |
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| 03:11.31 | SpaceAviator | !tell jordanm about based on debian is almost debian so it doesn't really matter. |
| 03:11.35 | SpaceAviator | Cheers to you jordanm |
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| 03:11.57 | _pw_ | hi, i am using debian squeeze, i have a wierd networking problem now. |
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| 03:12.54 | _pw_ | my debian box sit behind NAT, behind that NAT there is another suse box. |
| 03:13.37 | _pw_ | the problem is, on debian box i can't connect some site, but that's not the case on suse box |
| 03:14.11 | _pw_ | how do i paste the tcpdump output? |
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| 03:17.17 | bluegeist | _pw_ are you using iptables? |
| 03:17.26 | _pw_ | http://pastebin.com/97wb4UpX , here is my tcpdump output. |
| 03:17.53 | _pw_ | bluegeist: i am not using iptables |
| 03:18.03 | bluegeist | don't you need to use iptables? |
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| 03:19.42 | _pw_ | bluegeist: are servers behind NAT need iptables? |
| 03:21.07 | _pw_ | from the tcpdump output, is seems my debian box can't understand the SYN+ACK of the other end. |
| 03:21.24 | bluegeist | Hm. |
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| 03:22.35 | _pw_ | do i mis-configure some important network parameters? |
| 03:23.22 | bluegeist | I don't know. I use iptables for something similar... masquerading |
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| 03:23.40 | jmarsden | bluegeist: How do you think iptables on the local client will help? NAT is being done on the separate NAT box, so he doesn't need iptables to do NAT/masquerading... he has a dedicated box (router) to do that... |
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| 03:24.03 | _pw_ | jmarsden: yes, you are right. |
| 03:25.14 | BLZbubba | anyone here familiar with using hdmi audio? |
| 03:25.19 | _pw_ | I come accross this problem again and again, when i restart my debian box, it gone, after some time, it happens again. |
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| 03:26.02 | jmarsden | _pw_: There are many kernel configurable things that might affect this, syn cookies for example. Is it consistent for your Debian machine accessing one particular remote server? |
| 03:26.25 | jmarsden | Can you find a remote server that Debian will *always* fail to connect to? |
| 03:26.57 | _pw_ | jmarsden: yes, in my case, all google's site |
| 03:27.17 | _pw_ | jmarsden: for example, gmail, google search, etc |
| 03:27.56 | _pw_ | jmarsden: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 03:27.56 | _pw_ | 0 |
| 03:29.40 | jmarsden | _pw_: That's odd. You can use the pastebinit command line tool to send your tcpdump longs to a pastebin site. |
| 03:29.46 | _pw_ | i also try to echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling, still not work. |
| 03:30.07 | bluegeist | jmarsden sorry. I hadn't understood his setup. |
| 03:30.43 | jmarsden | bluegeist: No problem, I just thought for a moment you'd thought of something really deep and clever :) |
| 03:31.06 | jmarsden | _pw_: I |
| 03:31.08 | _pw_ | bluegeist: we have a route do ADSL dial-up, all other box behind that route. |
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| 03:32.28 | jmarsden | I'm not sure I'll read the tcpdump info any better that you already have, but you can do something like pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net <yourtcpdumplogfile |
| 03:32.53 | jmarsden | (this assumes your debian machine can reach paste.debian.net OK :) |
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| 03:37.24 | _pw_ | jmarsden: http://paste.debian.net/105116/ , here is my tcpdump output. |
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| 03:44.39 | jmarsden | OK, looks like the returning packets are not being seen as valid/accepted by Debian for some reason. Anything of interest in your logs when this was happening -- especially any lines in /var/log/messages tagged with kernel: ? |
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| 03:54.02 | jmarsden | _pw_: ^^ |
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| 03:54.40 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:55.04 | lkthomas | is there have opensource program which gather hardware inventory from snmp ? |
| 03:56.10 | abrotman | apt-cache search inventory ? |
| 03:57.17 | jmarsden | lkthomas: I think the newest version of OCSng does some SNMP things now. http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/ and check the 2.0rc1 release, which probably won't yet be in Debian |
| 03:57.47 | lkthomas | let me check, thanks |
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| 03:58.46 | jmarsden | There is also netdisco-* (which is in Deniab) but I think that is very Cisco-specific. |
| 03:58.54 | jmarsden | s/Deniab/Debian/ :) |
| 03:59.18 | lkthomas | if it's not using snmp, what protocol does it use to get the hardware information from servers ? |
| 04:00.36 | jmarsden | lkthomas: Before 2.0, you run an agent on the servers that send it info as XML... |
| 04:00.42 | lkthomas | WTF |
| 04:00.50 | lkthomas | so I have to install over 200 servers |
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| 04:01.39 | Some_Person | My first impressions of debian from the live CD look good |
| 04:01.56 | jmarsden | lkthomas: cfengine or puppet or whatever makes rolling out tools to many machines relatively straightforward, doesn't it? |
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| 04:02.14 | _pw_ | jmarsden: sorry for away, I have checked /var/log/messages, only 2 lines write today, [155229.659192] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions, [155547.708782] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team |
| 04:02.27 | Some_Person | It seems a lot like ubuntu, but with a lot less installed by default (assuming this live version is just like a real install would be), and also seems to perform a lot faster |
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| 04:03.34 | bluegeist | _pw_ couldn't it be a dns thing? are both machines using the same ones? |
| 04:03.47 | jmarsden | _pw_: So you *are* using iptables... have you checked you are not accidentally blocking some traffic with iptables? |
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| 04:04.16 | Some_Person | Also seems a bit less user friendly, but I'm cool with that |
| 04:05.40 | _pw_ | both use the exact same dns, `iptables -L` shows nothing. |
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| 04:07.12 | _pw_ | is there any other system log need i check? any other ideas to diagnose it? |
| 04:08.37 | _pw_ | forget to mention, i am using debian amd64. |
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| 05:43.04 | jakdarippa | if i don't install xorg, can i still watch movies? |
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| 05:43.46 | luke-jr | I was building a rescue drive on USB, but the Debian installer put grub on my friend's (Windows) laptop! |
| 05:43.50 | luke-jr | how can I reverse this? |
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| 05:46.22 | luke-jr | please tell me Debian made a backup? :/ |
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| 05:52.52 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
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| 06:08.51 | Sargun | How do I get historical sources? |
| 06:08.56 | Sargun | like this: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cloop/cloop_2.02.1+eb.10.tar.gz |
| 06:09.20 | streuner_ | judd, versions cloop |
| 06:09.21 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cloop' was found in i386. |
| 06:09.43 | Sargun | hehe |
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| 06:19.37 | streuner_ | this sources is older than trifels castle :-) |
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| 06:53.15 | jmarsden | luke-jr: You may be able to boot from the Windows install CD for the laptop and in recovery mode use fixboot and/or fixmbr (or their windows 7 equivalents) to put a new Windows-style boot loader onto it, but that's somewhat offtopic in #debian . There are threads about this around, no idea how well they work... for example http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7repair/thread/42d3f550-bf5f-459d-94ed-4cbadd7c933c |
| 06:53.39 | luke-jr | jmarsden: I don't have any Windows CDs |
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| 06:53.52 | luke-jr | offtopic? shouldn't Debian have made a backup before rudely wiping the MBR? |
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| 06:55.18 | Third3ye | Ok, so I have this server with encrypted partitions (luks so to speak) and I have a problem if the server for some reason happens to reboot or shut off because no one can write in the key necessary to open the partitions. So, what I need is a way of SSHing in to the server and writing the encryption key remotely. But wouldn't that require that I put the sshd in the /boot partition? |
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| 06:56.55 | Joe7 | hi |
| 06:57.46 | Joe7 | Could someone give me some advice on getting Mysql 5.5 installed on Debian Lenny? |
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| 06:58.48 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:59.06 | jmarsden | luke-jr: There was no prompt at all from Debian that it was installing grub? I've never seen Debian install grub 100% silently before (well, unless specially configrured by a preseed to do so). I'm trying to offer help, I didn't write the Debian installer... and yes, installing Windows bootloaders etc is off topic in #debian, more or less by definition. BTW the installer doesn't usually have anywhere it could usefully write a "backup" of anyt |
| 06:59.06 | jmarsden | hing such as a bootloader/partition table to, so I really doubt it created you a backup. |
| 07:00.16 | macrobat | the first thing to do when installing debian alongside another os is to backup |
| 07:00.54 | luke-jr | jmarsden: sure, but I assumed it meant on the same drive I was installing to |
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| 07:01.14 | luke-jr | by the time it installs GRUB, the rootfs is formatted and installed... |
| 07:01.33 | luke-jr | macrobat: I wasn't installing Debian alongside. I was installing to a USB drive |
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| 07:01.48 | luke-jr | (which I subsequently used to rescue-boot my PC) |
| 07:02.06 | luke-jr | should have rm'd /dev/hda |
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| 07:34.58 | chomwitt | hi. i have a newbie BTS question. I noticed in linux bur report logs for package linux-2.6 that the resolved bug count dropped the last two months. How could this happen? Is there another state for a bug after being resolved? |
| 07:35.07 | chomwitt | bur->bug |
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| 07:38.57 | sep | archived i think |
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| 07:45.48 | chomwitt | so archived bugs (eg: for the linux-2.6 package) are not any more accesible from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=linux-2.6 ? |
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| 07:56.18 | ov3rmind | hi to all, here (05:54 am) good morning && nice day to all ! |
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| 08:46.16 | JmZ | so when im in the partitioning section of the installer, how do i go about removing an LVM group? |
| 08:46.18 | frikinz | Hum bts unreachable for me. |
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| 08:46.50 | JmZ | the guy at the DC has set it up with an LVM partition and a /boot partition, then whatever in the LVM group, except i need to remove all those and cant because... well i dont know why |
| 08:47.38 | JmZ | its like having the ms paperclip guy, i didnt want this guy to setup anything i can do it myself |
| 08:47.47 | sep | JmZ, look above the partitions should be a configure logical volume manager or similar line up there you can select |
| 08:48.17 | JmZ | yeah i figured it'd be that but the warning that i wont be able to alter partitions afterwards steered me away |
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| 08:48.47 | sep | JmZ, or cheat : select guided one big single partition. then go back again afterwards... |
| 08:49.03 | JmZ | ooh good idea haha |
| 08:49.46 | sep | well it is that line. it gives you a interface to add/remove lv's vg's pv's |
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| 08:50.35 | JmZ | yeah that 'cheat' worked |
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| 08:52.32 | sep | JmZ, hihi |
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| 08:56.02 | wald0 | is there any good document about create and mantain debian kernels ? |
| 08:56.34 | wald0 | i would like to learn how debian makes and maintain kernels, i know make-kpkg already, but seems like different than debian makes their kernels |
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| 08:57.14 | sekon | wald0: debian has patches applied |
| 08:57.25 | sekon | wald0: dowload the source of a kernel package |
| 08:57.31 | sekon | *download |
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| 08:59.49 | wald0 | sekon: what intrigue me is how debian does for build it in multiple architectures and options... ok, it should be everything in debian/ dir, as a rules file, but how they maintains it ? there's is a tool that create these rules/templates or something like that ? |
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| 09:00.04 | babilen | wald0: Look at the linux-2.6 source package and in particular the debian/ directory. |
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| 09:02.28 | babilen | wald0: I don't know much about kernel packaging, but have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel and the mailing list. There is also an IRC channel, but I guess that they are quite busy, given that Squeeze is to be released soon. (#dbeian-kernel on irc.debian.org) |
| 09:02.39 | babilen | s/dbeian/debian/ |
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| 09:04.09 | dondelelcaro | wald0: maintainers edit things that are in the debian directory; generally speaking, every architecture builds the same way |
| 09:04.46 | dondelelcaro | the exceptions show up for odd things, like the kernel, which require architecture specific changes and alterations; those are easy to deal with in the makefile framework that is debian/rules |
| 09:06.19 | babilen | wald0: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/sid/linux-2.6/?op=log -- that should get you going (you don't have to download the complete source package, just to look at debian/*) |
| 09:07.08 | wald0 | thx |
| 09:07.31 | wald0 | btw dondelelcaro, it is not that a giant lot of work for debian kernel team ? |
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| 09:10.40 | dondelelcaro | wald0: that's why there's a team of people working on the kernel |
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| 09:11.52 | wald0 | a kernel is complex... but could be not possible to make the life more easy about such thing ? |
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| 09:13.34 | dondelelcaro | wald0: for most packages, there's no difference between one architecture and the other |
| 09:13.53 | dondelelcaro | wald0: in fact, for the simplist packages, you can get away with a minimal three line rules file |
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| 09:16.08 | obeattie | Hi, I'm having a bit of a bizarre problem with SSH. I have an authorized_keys file with hundreds of public keys in it (it's used for access control [gitosis]), but when I look at what ssh is actually doing when a client connects I see it is running the forced commands for many of these (500-ish, still not ALL the keys). Any clues as to why it might be doing this? |
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| 09:19.54 | sekon | wald0: yes |
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| 09:29.56 | AZora | I've completely failed 4 times trying to get debian testing to upgrade on a xen install. I'm at the point where I'm about to start pinning packages :/ Before I do that is there something else I should consider first? |
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| 09:33.01 | babilen | AZora: If you want us to help you, we need more information on the problems you run into. Ask dpkg about "bat" and provide the requested information and anything you deem important on http://paste.debian.net (/msg dpkg bat) |
| 09:33.03 | sep | AZora, your question have no information, so answers can only be very generic. eg: make sure you read the (unfinished) release notes properly.... |
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| 09:34.51 | AZora | No system.map device entry for /dev/sda1 but it isn't a "real disk" it is a virtual server by VPS.net. I keep killing boxes but can't see the output of dmesg so I don't know what my boot errors are, I don't know what the failure is, I just keep getting no ping after a testing fork apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:35.30 | AZora | so without an error, all I can really do is ask for generic advice on testing upgrades and I'm at the point where i'm going to start making snapshot backups, then upgrade via pinning and see if it pings afterwards :/ |
| 09:37.25 | babilen | AZora: You do run something like "apt-get update & apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update & aptitude safe-upgrade" don't you? Does this complete without errors? Which packages are upgraded? Also, do you have access to a rescue system? There is very little we can do without more information ... :-\ |
| 09:38.03 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt aware that apt pinning was part of any suggested upgrade method |
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| 09:38.58 | AZora | there is no rescue system, and I'm not going to pay $10 per output of dmesg on fail. So I'm just going to snapshot before I do an apt-get update; apt-get -y upgrade. I'm going to pin mysql-server, php, python from testing and leave the rest as plain Lenny I guess. Try to get erlang ejabberd from stable first. |
| 09:39.49 | Arrowmaster | $10 per output of dmesg on fail? get a better provider |
| 09:39.51 | AZora | Arrowmaster: right, it is NOT recommended which is why I'm asking for recommendations :/ |
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| 09:40.32 | AZora | VPS.net is what I'm looking at right now, but I control the whole box. Suggestions? they are essentially "unmanaged vps" |
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| 09:41.31 | Arrowmaster | everybody i know uses linode.com |
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| 09:43.56 | AZora | I'm reading and so far they look great. |
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| 09:46.21 | AZora | haha with VPS the boot options are "reboot gracefully", "force reboot", "delete" and "reinstall" ... and reinstall doesn't work lol |
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| 09:50.03 | DelTree | hi... |
| 09:50.54 | DelTree | why is e2fsprogs "essential" ? and maybe where should I ask that ? |
| 09:52.00 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
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| 09:52.28 | AlexC_ | I am trying to install Debian Squeeze using the RC1 installer in Virtualbox, however when selecting 'Install' or 'Graphical Install' it just hangs. Any ideas? |
| 09:52.30 | Arrowmaster | it contains binaries such as /sbin/e2fsck, those are extremely "essential" for a working system |
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| 09:54.26 | DelTree | Arrowmaster: so you think the only fs is ext* ? what if one uses reiser or xfs ? what about vservers where e2fsprogs just can't be used, unless I missed something... |
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| 09:55.42 | AlexC_ | wait ... eh, it appears my Virtualbox is only offering 32bit instead of 64bit |
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| 09:56.27 | Arrowmaster | ext* is the 'linux filesystem', 99.999% of the time it is expected that the linux system will be able to use ext* filesystems, not that it has to though |
| 09:57.20 | Arrowmaster | is there a reason you dont want e2fsprogs installed? |
| 09:58.23 | DelTree | I'm trying to narrow dpkg -l on my vservers... on that way I question everything... |
| 09:58.46 | DelTree | btw... is there a list of "essential" packages somewhere ? |
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| 09:59.29 | jelly | DelTree: e2fsprogs also contain a number of utilities universally used for any fs. You really don't want to touch the Essential packages unless you're building an embedded system. |
| 10:00.18 | DelTree | jelly: I'm just asking questions... some kind of a "good opportunity to learn"... ;) |
| 10:00.42 | DelTree | jelly: which utilities for any fs in e2fsprogs ? |
| 10:01.00 | Arrowmaster | why filesystem is your vserver using? |
| 10:01.05 | Arrowmaster | which |
| 10:01.13 | jelly | DelTree: I dont remember. It used to provide /sbin/fsck or mount. |
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| 10:01.47 | Arrowmaster | e2fsprogs has chattr and lsattr |
| 10:02.07 | DelTree | I'm using ext3... |
| 10:02.26 | DelTree | but vservers can't do fs work anyway, can they ? |
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| 10:03.08 | Arrowmaster | i thought they all did, unless you were doing something like an NFS root in a vserver which would just be weird |
| 10:04.22 | DelTree | well... looks like there's foo and bar in e2fsprogs... some "fsprogs" might be good... |
| 10:04.41 | DelTree | fsck in a vserver ? |
| 10:05.11 | DelTree | maybe I just got something wrong... |
| 10:05.23 | AZora | not every file system error is caused by disk failure |
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| 10:06.24 | AZora | and the only way your statements make sense is with that implicit assumption which is incorrect. |
| 10:06.52 | DelTree | or maybe my idea is because I'm using lvm and /dev/mapper/foo is not available in the vserver... |
| 10:07.59 | DelTree | I don't know where... but there's some mess in my ideas... |
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| 10:08.41 | Lantizia | Would you say "sudo" is a daemon or a utility? |
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| 10:09.46 | DelTree | what could I do in the vserver when I can't see the dev anyway ? |
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| 10:13.13 | babilen | DelTree: aptitude search '~E' -- http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 10:14.39 | DelTree | babilen: thanks... |
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| 10:20.24 | Creap | Hi, how come Vim 7.3 is not in lenny-backports? or am I doing something wrong |
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| 10:21.12 | themill | Creap: not all packages get backported; lenny-backports come from squeeze and vim 7.3 is not in squeeze either. |
| 10:21.40 | Creap | ok |
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| 11:08.50 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:09.06 | AlexC_ | upon doing /etc/init.d/networking restart I get a message saying it's been deprecated (Squeeze), what is the new wya? |
| 11:09.27 | Mohammad[B] | how i can resolve this problem in my debian 5.0 ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/556121/ |
| 11:09.42 | Mohammad[B] | how i can resolve this problem in my debian 5.0 ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/556121/ |
| 11:09.45 | Mohammad[B] | sorry |
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| 11:11.43 | OsRo | hi |
| 11:12.08 | OsRo | how to reconfigure xorg in squezze ? |
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| 11:14.08 | niklaswe | OsRo: X -configure |
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| 11:15.10 | OsRo | ok niklaswe i try .. |
| 11:15.15 | OsRo | thank you |
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| 11:17.24 | Jemt | Hello guys. I have chrooted into another installation in order to upgrade a lot of packages. Unfortunately I receive a lot of warnings/errors from dpkg such as "dpkg: error processing gconf2-common (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured". Another common error is this: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of XYZ: XYZ depdends on ABC (>= 2.31.1); however: package ABC is not configured yet". Is this simply because the ho |
| 11:17.25 | Jemt | environment is different from the environment in which I chrooted into? Will it render my upgraded environment buggy ? |
| 11:17.39 | Jemt | I upgraded the environment using "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 11:21.00 | babilen | Jemt: Try "aptitude full-upgrade" provide all output and "/msg dpkg bat" |
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| 11:21.51 | Jemt | babilen: Thanks, I'll try that |
| 11:22.48 | Jemt | babilen: Oh, wait. I don't have aptitude installed, nor do I want to. Can it be done using apt-get ? |
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| 11:23.27 | Jemt | dist-upgrade perhaps ? |
| 11:23.42 | babilen | wtf? No, I don't think you can use aptitudes dependency resolution in apt-get. Anyway, provide the information "/msg dpkg bat" asks you about |
| 11:23.57 | Jemt | Okay |
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| 11:24.08 | babilen | yes, and a dist-upgrade *might* be necessary. What are you doing anyway? |
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| 11:25.53 | raz0 | You don't want aptitude? Why not? |
| 11:25.55 | Jemt | babilen: I have Debian running on a ton of USB sticks. I figured it would be easier to upgrade it this way |
| 11:26.18 | Jemt | I've heard apt-get does depdendency resolution just as well as aptitude |
| 11:26.24 | babilen | upgrade from what to what? normal stable upgrades? |
| 11:26.28 | babilen | It is not. |
| 11:26.35 | Jemt | normal to normal - I just want bugfixes |
| 11:26.44 | Jemt | Debian 5 |
| 11:27.07 | babilen | Well, put as much info into a pastebin, so we can take a look. |
| 11:27.31 | babilen | And why on earth did you uninstall aptitude? |
| 11:28.06 | Jemt | Okay, I will |
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| 11:28.19 | Jemt | Not sure why aptitude is missing. I didn't create the USB sticks |
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| 11:29.04 | Jemt | I'm pretty sure it was created using apt-get. It's probably not a good idea to mix apt-get and aptitude (?) |
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| 11:35.55 | d1b | Jemt: what? |
| 11:36.03 | poelzi | ulatencyd 0.3.5 is out: https://github.com/poelzi/ulatencyd |
| 11:36.52 | raz0 | Jemt: don't think there's no harm in that. AFAIK aptitude uses apt-get internally. |
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| 11:37.27 | Jemt | Okay, good to know. Thank you |
| 11:37.55 | d1b | Jemt: / raz0 both of you google and work it out and check it |
| 11:38.07 | d1b | instead of blindly saying things |
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| 11:42.27 | babilen | raz0: It does not use apt-get, but both of them use libapt -- You might want to ask dpkg about "why aptitude" and "why not aptitude" -- I just recommended aptitude in this case, because it has indeed better dependency resolution |
| 11:42.42 | babilen | Jemt: We can't really help you without more information |
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| 11:43.49 | Jemt | babilen: Thanks, but right now I'm trying 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on one of the other USB sticks. Breaking a few of them is not a problem. I can always create new sticks using 'dd' |
| 11:44.29 | Jemt | I'll see what dpkg has to say about aptitude. Thanks for the suggestion |
| 11:44.45 | d1b | babilen: what? |
| 11:44.48 | d1b | erh woops |
| 11:44.50 | d1b | Jemt: what? |
| 11:44.54 | d1b | what are you doing? |
| 11:45.02 | babilen | :-D |
| 11:45.18 | babilen | d1b: He refuses to show us :-þ |
| 11:45.25 | d1b | babilen: i have no idea |
| 11:45.35 | d1b | i should file a debian instaler bug re the iso hybrids tho :P |
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| 11:45.45 | d1b | /dev/sda isn't the sda you are looking for! |
| 11:45.51 | d1b | installer* |
| 11:45.52 | babilen | what? |
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| 11:46.02 | babilen | !confuse d1b |
| 11:46.03 | dpkg | Yes, what is their gerbil tomorrow, d1b? Trousers of the People's Republic of Swaziland with extra cheese. |
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| 11:48.09 | AlexC_ | upon doing /etc/init.d/networking restart I get a message saying it's been deprecated (Squeeze), what is the new wya? |
| 11:49.29 | babilen | AlexC_: The reason for the message is that it won't necessarily bring up all interfaces (it depends on "auto" and "allow-hotplug" stanzas in /e/n/i) -- The non-deprecated way is to use "ifup/ifdown" directly for specific interfaces |
| 11:49.47 | dubcl | . |
| 11:49.59 | babilen | !dbugs 565187 |
| 11:50.03 | dpkg | DONE:#565187:N[netbase] netbase: Command deprecated and not explained (); Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:21:08 UTC [] |
| 11:50.11 | d1b | babilen: reported! |
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| 11:50.22 | d1b | don't you know about the new iso hybrids :P |
| 11:50.33 | AlexC_ | babilen: ifup/ifdown always seem quite old though, I've always been taught (and read online) to use the 'ip' suit of commands instead |
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| 11:50.51 | babilen | AlexC_: You are thinking about "ifconfig" vs "ip" |
| 11:50.58 | pozic | I did upgrade-from-grub-legacy and I wish to configure the boot order. Where can I do that? |
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| 11:51.04 | d1b | ifup foo |
| 11:51.06 | d1b | ifdown foo |
| 11:51.06 | AlexC_ | babilen: ah, I thought ifup/down was part of ifconfig |
| 11:51.18 | AlexC_ | ok cool, thanks :) |
| 11:51.44 | babilen | AlexC_: No, ifup/ifdown is the Debian way to handle interfaces in /e/n/i -- read the manpages |
| 11:51.47 | d1b | babilen: it is rather annoying tho, because i would like to 'restarting networking' without ifup / down :P |
| 11:51.54 | d1b | (all of them) |
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| 11:52.17 | babilen | d1b: You can still do that. Read the bugreport for the rationale behind the wording |
| 11:52.40 | d1b | babilen: well /etc/init.d/networking restart 'shouldn't run |
| 11:52.41 | babilen | d1b: If "ifup -a" brings up all your interfaces you can safe use "networking restart" |
| 11:52.46 | d1b | if it won't bring back my interfaces in any case |
| 11:52.51 | AlexC_ | also, instead of doing `/etc/init.d/apache2 restart` for example, I see people doing `service apache2 restart`, is this the new way of doing it in Squeeze? |
| 11:53.27 | d1b | i will only the warning see after i have run the command :P |
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| 11:54.09 | babilen | AlexC_: It's equivalent -- Take a look at /usr/sbin/service to see what is going on |
| 11:54.54 | babilen | AlexC_: The "service" convenience wrapper came from Red Hat/Fedora |
| 11:56.01 | AlexC_ | babilen: and taken from Ubuntu? "`basename $0` ver. 0.91-ubuntu1" |
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| 11:56.56 | babilen | AlexC_: Ubuntu and Debian work together, so it is not uncommon that Ubuntu developers contribute to Debian as well. |
| 11:57.07 | SPF | what about invoke-rc.d <service> restart ? |
| 11:57.22 | AlexC_ | babilen: ok, thanks |
| 11:57.26 | babilen | Come on, you can read the manpages yourself :) |
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| 11:59.40 | babilen | I typically use invoke-rc.d as it is the tool advocated in the Debian policy for ... well read it yourself: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html â "Running init scripts" |
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| 12:04.22 | yow | hi |
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| 12:04.25 | yow | does anyone know if most of the external usb dvd writer are incompatible with linux? |
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| 12:04.56 | babilen | https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw |
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| 12:07.16 | yow | babilen, if dvd+rw-format works on an ext. usb dvd writer but growisofs failed, do u think the writer is compatible or not? why dvd+rw-format works but not growisofs? |
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| 12:07.50 | yow | babilen, r u familiar with dvd+rw-format or growisofs? |
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| 12:08.57 | babilen | I use growisofs once in a while, but I haven't used external devices, so can't tell you much about it. ##hardware and/or #linux might b a good place to ask also |
| 12:09.11 | babilen | rarely burns DVDs these days |
| 12:09.51 | babilen | ## linux btw |
| 12:10.03 | d1b | babilen: which is the bugreport? |
| 12:10.12 | d1b | 565187? |
| 12:10.19 | yow | babilen, it seems to me not many ppl have experience with these tools, probably most ppl r more use to the GUI tools. no answer from ##lonux nor #freenode. perhaps i need to ask at different hour/time |
| 12:10.23 | babilen | d1b: yes |
| 12:10.37 | d1b | k |
| 12:10.38 | yow | babilen, anyway, thx for yourreply |
| 12:11.28 | d1b | babilen: wait |
| 12:11.29 | d1b | what? |
| 12:11.35 | d1b | auto and hotplug are gone? |
| 12:11.39 | babilen | yow: #freenode has nothing to do with it. As I said, I use wodim and growisofs for all my burning needs and they work perfectly with my internal drive in my T60 ... If you have a problem with is, check the bug reports and search for the specific errors you get. |
| 12:12.09 | babilen | d1b: What are you talking about? They are not gone .. and they don't go anywhere because they feel like it. |
| 12:12.18 | d1b | babilen: erh? |
| 12:12.52 | d1b | the man page has them --> didn't you say something above about auto and hotplug? |
| 12:13.09 | babilen | yes I did, why? |
| 12:13.37 | d1b | is trying to work out what you meant /me is also tired atm :P |
| 12:13.59 | d1b | so now i need allow-hotplug and 'auto' |
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| 12:14.05 | yow | babilen, i've been googling for 1 week or 2 but not much information found. it seems that the topic is very deep, technical-wise. i've been using cdrecord (wodim) & gowisofs to burn cd & dvd without problem too, but not this writer. seems the error code is very cryptic. r u familiar with the MMC error code? |
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| 12:15.02 | yow | babilen, i've read many articles or forum posts about different MMC error code but haven't found what i after nor are those info very useful |
| 12:15.04 | d1b | thing is last time i did /etc/init.d/networking restart --> i lost network access |
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| 12:16.08 | babilen | d1b: Marco's reply "and maybe a pony" was not very enlightening. The problem with using restart is that it will bring down all active interfaces, but will not necessarily bring up the same set of interfaces as well. Which interfaces will come up depends on their configuration in /e/n/i (auto stanzas) ... It basically runs "ifdown -a" and "ifup -a" -- if your interfaces don't come up with "ifup -a" they will not come up when you do "networking ... |
| 12:16.14 | babilen | ... restart" |
| 12:16.42 | babilen | d1b: You want to add appropriate "auto" stanzas to /e/n/i and check the device behaviour with "ifdown -a" and "ifup -a" |
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| 12:17.24 | babilen | s/device/interface |
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| 12:17.37 | d1b | babilen: well |
| 12:18.00 | d1b | babilen: there is a change from lenny iirc |
| 12:18.03 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.05 | d1b | but no auto eth0 |
| 12:18.10 | d1b | so i need auto eth0 |
| 12:18.23 | babilen | yow: I would assume that you know much more about that problem than me. ##hardware might know more or could point you to better channels. You could also try growisofs's mailing list (if it exists) |
| 12:18.34 | babilen | d1b: yes |
| 12:18.47 | babilen | is afk |
| 12:18.49 | d1b | babilen: hum but im not sure if that was the case on lenny or not |
| 12:18.49 | yow | babilen, thx |
| 12:18.51 | d1b | ok |
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| 12:21.45 | babilen | d1b: Read /etc/init.d/networking and "man ifup" â "-a" option to understand what is going on |
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| 12:23.21 | d1b | babilen: done |
| 12:23.26 | d1b | babilen: also you meant |
| 12:23.29 | d1b | man interfaces |
| 12:23.42 | jelly | yow: have you pastebinned the actual commands used and their output? I don't see it in my log. Have you tried using Schily's cdrecord? http://cdrecord.berlios.de/ |
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| 12:25.31 | yow | jelly, if u want, i can give u the pastebin urls. |
| 12:25.46 | yow | jelly, i have them ready. |
| 12:25.47 | jelly | use the channel please. |
| 12:26.37 | jelly | I suppose you've tried the obvious stuff like running growisofs as root and changing the kernel |
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| 12:27.15 | frikinz | babilen: ah so that's what the warning means about /e/i/network restart! Thanks for claryfing.. The message in the script is not really ok then. Stop means stop everything. Start means start the auo if. And restart is stop start so I don't understand this warning.. |
| 12:27.29 | yow | jelly, writing: http://pastebin.com/8f0xLvKh |
| 12:28.04 | yow | jelly, after the writing failed: http://pastebin.com/vMVcFLFU |
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| 12:29.36 | yow | jelly, the burndvd seems to have some sort of success in writing the dvd where simple growisofs commands (cf. growisofs man page) failed miserably! |
| 12:30.02 | yow | jelly, after that, the blanking failed: http://pastebin.com/wvew2SfH |
| 12:30.11 | jelly | yow: do you have anything else than dvd-rw media? Like, dvd+r or dvd-r? |
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| 12:30.50 | yow | jelly, however, the blanking is successful later, i don't know why, perhaps the laptop has been rebooted? http://pastebin.com/M542F8FW |
| 12:31.17 | jelly | yow: could be; also, ejecting and inserting in can help |
| 12:31.18 | yow | jelly, i've tried dvd+rw & dvd+r. the outcome was weird |
| 12:32.19 | yow | jelly, actually, i seem to manage to burn a new dvd+rw disc successfully yesterday, however, the speed was very very slow, from less than 0.1x to about 1.0x, very rarely go up to 2.0x. |
| 12:32.51 | yow | jelly, i've tried ejecting & re-inserting plenty of times but no use at all |
| 12:34.03 | yow | jelly, after i successfully burn about 450MB onto the dvd+rw disc using nautilus, i tried to add another session onto it (less than 50MB) using growisofs, it failed again!! |
| 12:34.34 | yow | jelly, in addition, do u know how to start the Nautilus burning GUI/software? |
| 12:35.46 | yow | jelly, i've tried both Brasero & GnomeBaker but both of them FAILED too, even by writing temporary file. |
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| 12:36.47 | foo | Anyone know of a daemon I can run that can log an rss feed? mainly want to keep a text copy of a twitter feed, for instance, so it's greppable. Looking for a daemon or something similar, thanks |
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| 12:40.53 | jelly | !test |
| 12:40.53 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 12:41.07 | d1b | !party |
| 12:41.08 | dpkg | well, party is Lego, and alcohol |
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| 13:02.27 | yow | jelly, this is how a new DVD+R disc failed: http://pastebin.com/sZU3XZDQ |
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| 13:03.10 | icesword | how did it fail you? |
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| 13:03.33 | abrotman | yow: tried a slower write speed ? |
| 13:04.14 | yow | abrotman, i've tried using 1.0x speed in growisofs but still failed |
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| 13:04.41 | yow | ice799, pls check this: http://pastebin.com/M542F8FW, http://pastebin.com/sZU3XZDQ & http://pastebin.com/8f0xLvKh |
| 13:05.07 | abrotman | yow: make sure the cables are seated securely |
| 13:05.18 | jelly | yow: you're not running it as root there. |
| 13:05.19 | yow | ice799, however, i think if i reboot the computer, the blanking worked: http://pastebin.com/M542F8FW |
| 13:06.06 | yow | abrotman, i reckon the cable is connected properly in fact, i connected the additional usb power cable attached to the asus writer too |
| 13:06.09 | jelly | yow: is there anything relevant in dmesg / /var/log/kern.log at the time of that io error |
| 13:06.28 | yow | jelly, i think i've tried running it as root and ordinary user |
| 13:06.56 | yow | jelly, yes i have them recorded too, let me see if i've pasted onto pastebin or not. 1 min... |
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| 13:10.17 | g00se | What happens when the installer finds XP installed - does it offer to dual-boot? |
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| 13:14.06 | yow | jelly & abrotman: here you are: http://pastebin.com/0xHZsV9W & http://pastebin.com/TK1stEqZ |
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| 13:14.38 | boudiccas | gp |
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| 13:14.52 | yow | jelly & abrotman, sorry for my late reply. actually, my mind is rather chaotic due to this problem, rather messed up... |
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| 13:15.49 | pozic | I ran upgrade-grub-from-legacy and now my setup has been destroyed. Thank you 'maintainer'. How can I install grub2 now (I am in a rescue environment). |
| 13:16.46 | abrotman | pozic: destroyed? |
| 13:16.53 | jelly | pozic: mount stuff, chroot, grub-install /dev/whatev |
| 13:17.15 | jelly | as is "capability to boot the OS is destroyed" |
| 13:17.18 | jelly | as in* |
| 13:17.27 | pozic | abrotman: destroyed as in: it worked before and after it stopped working. No physical destruction. |
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| 13:17.59 | yow | jelly & abrotman: i wonder if most external usb dvd or cd writers are incompatible with linux? |
| 13:18.01 | pozic | Why can't grub just always create valid entries? |
| 13:18.10 | pozic | I thought that was the point of grub2. |
| 13:18.13 | jelly | yow: which one of those dmesg relates to the dvd+r write failure? |
| 13:18.20 | jelly | yow: no, mine works. |
| 13:18.22 | yow | jelly & abrotman: how can i find out if my writer is incompatible? |
| 13:18.34 | pozic | I get Error 15 instead, so they didn't improve error messages one bit. |
| 13:18.40 | yow | jelly, wait, let me check... |
| 13:19.37 | jelly | yow: your dvd+r write was near "Thu Dec 30 23:55:27 2010" |
| 13:20.55 | Ergo^ | is there an article on debian deciding on using gnome-shell in the future ? |
| 13:21.27 | void_pointer | please don't say that ever again |
| 13:21.29 | void_pointer | thank you |
| 13:22.15 | Ergo^ | hehe void_pointer i built todays nightly and apart my open source drivers crashing every 10s (too new ati) it seems really usable interface |
| 13:22.35 | Ergo^ | (in yesterdays state , the older builds were piece of crap) |
| 13:22.47 | void_pointer | heh ok then |
| 13:23.00 | yow | jelly, do u think all the "Buffer I/O error", "Sense Key : Illegal Request", "end_request: I/O error" errors are not related to the burning? |
| 13:23.01 | void_pointer | I haven't tried it again for quite a while |
| 13:23.03 | yow | jelly, actually, im not sure if those errors are related to dvd+r, dvd+rw or dvd-rw |
| 13:23.06 | yow | jelly, there were some "unaligned transfer" errors too |
| 13:23.11 | pozic | jelly: how does grub detects Windows is also installed? (since it doesn't do that now) |
| 13:23.11 | yow | jelly & abrotman: do u know if there's any documents which lists and explains all these errors or is there any doc which describe MMC error code? |
| 13:23.19 | pozic | jelly: detect* |
| 13:23.35 | jelly | yow: I wouldn't be able to help anyway ;-) |
| 13:23.49 | void_pointer | not even debian-lite (ubuntu) uses Gnome anymore ... ;) |
| 13:23.56 | Ergo^ | void_pointer, well it was really fast for me, the problem is that my free drivers crash every 5s on it for some reason, but i got impression that this may actually work well after some more polishing |
| 13:23.57 | jelly | pozic: install os-prober package |
| 13:24.12 | Ergo^ | void_pointer, it seemed better than unity ;-) |
| 13:24.18 | pozic | jelly: I think I have that installed. |
| 13:24.19 | void_pointer | Ergo^ which ATI adapter do you have? |
| 13:24.23 | Ergo^ | 5770 |
| 13:24.27 | void_pointer | ah |
| 13:24.42 | Ergo^ | i had to get ubuntu latest ppa with trunk x related packages to get that work |
| 13:24.44 | pozic | jelly: I have that package installed. |
| 13:24.55 | Ergo^ | on "stable" drivers you cant run compiz etc. |
| 13:25.12 | jelly | pozic: are you running a custom kernel without ntfs support? |
| 13:25.18 | pozic | jelly: no |
| 13:25.34 | pozic | jelly: when I was in the chroot it couldn't find it, but now it can. |
| 13:25.40 | pozic | jelly: never mind, I understand it already. |
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| 13:26.07 | void_pointer | yeah. I have a laptop with a 5470 and have no end of problems when I get all graphic-y. Luckily most of my *nix work is by ssh/X Forwarding :) |
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| 13:26.25 | pozic | jelly: an update-grub should be enough, right? |
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| 13:26.31 | yow | jelly & abrotman, i've been googling and reading on the internet for 1-2 weeks, but it just seems to me that not much (friendly) info on the internet regarding the errors. |
| 13:26.38 | pozic | (the last time I did that I got Error 15) |
| 13:26.46 | pozic | (on reboot) |
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| 13:26.52 | jelly | pozic: you need to have /dev, /proc, and /sys available inside the chroot for grub to be able to install and detect stuff |
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| 13:27.27 | jelly | outside of chroot, mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev (etc) |
| 13:27.32 | pozic | jelly: I have now booted the real thing, and now it did work, but I am afraid that when I reboot I will be back in the broken state. |
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| 13:27.45 | jelly | pozic: so reboot it and see if it work |
| 13:27.46 | jelly | s |
| 13:27.51 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:28.01 | yow | jelly & abrotman, thx anyway, both of u have helped me a lot now & before. cheers |
| 13:28.36 | jelly | yow: I'd still try burning with schily's cdrtools to see if it makes any difference |
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| 13:29.03 | yow | jelly, ooo forgot to check out the url u gave me just now, i'll try later, thx |
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| 13:29.14 | pozic | jelly: is it possible that it was caused because I told it to boot another default entry? |
| 13:29.29 | pozic | jelly: I don't think that should be the case, but that's the only difference. |
| 13:29.34 | yow | jelly, anyway, i think probably because my writer is rather new and it (ASUS) is not linux-friendly?! |
| 13:29.39 | jelly | pozic: "another default" ? |
| 13:29.49 | pozic | jelly: 4 instead of 0 |
| 13:30.03 | pozic | jelly: it was the 5th entry in the output of update-grub. |
| 13:30.24 | pozic | jelly: but then, imho, it should still have listed the boot meny. |
| 13:30.26 | pozic | menu* |
| 13:31.04 | jelly | pozic: I don't know what the difference might be, did you show us your grub.cfg |
| 13:31.34 | pozic | jelly: I did not, but the only difference is GRUB_DEFAULT=0 |
| 13:31.36 | jelly | obviously if you chose a different kernel and initrd set, things will be different |
| 13:31.47 | pozic | jelly: versus GRUB_DEFAULT=4 |
| 13:32.15 | pozic | It also seems a rather inflexible mechanism. Why is that? |
| 13:32.48 | pozic | Why can't you just say "Boot whatever kernel has $string in it". |
| 13:33.13 | pozic | Referring to stuff by index only introduces indexing errors. |
| 13:33.25 | jelly | file a bug report. |
| 13:33.39 | Bushmills | how can something with source code available, free to modify it, be called "inflexible"? |
| 13:33.45 | pozic | jelly: it is a feature request, do you think they would care? |
| 13:33.57 | jelly | pozic: I don't know! |
| 13:34.00 | pozic | jelly: ok! |
| 13:34.04 | jelly | Bushmills: easily. |
| 13:34.55 | pozic | Isn't the issue that grub needs to operate in only a small piece of code? |
| 13:35.15 | pozic | Or does it have basically all the space in the world just before it loads the OS? |
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| 13:35.52 | pozic | Otherwise I don't see why someone thought "hey, guys, you know what would be cool, if users would have to count their kernels". |
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| 13:36.23 | kzar | I've setup a cronjob, it's listed with "crontab -l", the entry's format looks fine (matches my other one that works) and the script's path and permissions are correct BUT it doesn't seem to be running. Any ideas? |
| 13:36.51 | frikinz | pozic: I find what you mentionned a good feature request |
| 13:37.01 | kzar | (The script the cron should run works when I run it myself) |
| 13:37.25 | Bushmills | kzar: (one of) the programs called in script are not in PATH |
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| 13:39.05 | kzar | Bushmills: Ah that could be it, I'll put the full path for everything |
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| 13:40.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | hello there, could it be that the gst-vloopbacksink plugin isn't packaged yet for debian squeeze? |
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| 13:41.20 | jelly | pozic: you can try discussing it in the upstream channel, #grub, see what they feel about it |
| 13:41.25 | yow | jelly, iirc, i read an article and used cdrecord to try to burn my dvd in the past 2-3 days but failed. isn't that growisofs calls cdrecord to perform the actual (ISO9660 FS) writing on DVDs? |
| 13:41.59 | jelly | yow: nope. |
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| 13:44.40 | g00se | What happens when the installer finds XP installed - does it offer to dual-boot? |
| 13:44.52 | raz0 | it does for Windows 7 at least |
| 13:45.04 | raz0 | so good chance that it will for XP also |
| 13:45.27 | g00se | raz0: Thanks. Do you remember the kind of thing that happens? |
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| 13:45.52 | raz0 | I get an "Windows 7 (Loader)" entry in Grub. |
| 13:46.50 | g00se | Right. I wonder if it installs over the pre-existing Win loader? |
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| 13:47.24 | yow | jelly, frankly, im confused about this. i read different article stating the different things. check this: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ Search for "Do I still need cdrtools"? |
| 13:47.32 | raz0 | You'll get Grub instead, yes, but if you select the Windows entry in Grub, it'll boot the windows boot loader. |
| 13:48.47 | jelly | yow: I'm not going to check it. Schily and Linux people are at odds, that's well known. Schily can also act crazy at times. That doesn't mean his code and presumptions are unsound. |
| 13:48.56 | g00se | raz0: Grub probably goes into the mbr then |
| 13:49.07 | raz0 | Oh it does. |
| 13:49.11 | jelly | yow: it might work better in certain edge situations, which is why I suggested you try it |
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| 13:49.42 | g00se | raz0: That must have been scary when it happened for you ;) |
| 13:49.55 | raz0 | Scary? |
| 13:50.00 | yow | jelly, iirc some say groisofs is the fontend of record while others say growisofs contains the code built-in to perform the actual writing. |
| 13:50.06 | yow | jelly, ic. |
| 13:50.10 | raz0 | No, I knew it would do that. :) |
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| 13:50.19 | g00se | raz0: The prospect of win boot being borked ;) |
| 13:50.28 | raz0 | Don't you mean joy? :P |
| 13:50.39 | g00se | :) |
| 13:50.45 | raz0 | But Windows would never be borked just because MBR gets overwritten. |
| 13:50.54 | raz0 | You can always recreate it if needed. |
| 13:51.03 | g00se | Yes, but that a PITA |
| 13:51.08 | raz0 | Not really. |
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| 13:51.30 | raz0 | just 'fixmbr' in Windows recovery console IIRC. |
| 13:51.37 | jelly | yow: also, when old articles say "cdrtools" or "cdrecord", they might mean cdrtools or any fork that looks like cdrtools (ie. debian's cdrkit) |
| 13:51.44 | yow | jelly, thx for your info & explanation. i've tried cdrecord but failed, anyway, i may try again. |
| 13:52.06 | yow | jelly, oooo thx, i didn't know that |
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| 13:52.21 | raz0 | But I also knew that Grub could be made to boot Windows's bootloader, so I wasn't too concerned. |
| 13:52.31 | raz0 | Read: I could always fix it when I needed Win again. |
| 13:52.49 | g00se | Yes |
| 13:52.58 | raz0 | But gladly it autodected Win and I didn't have to worry about it. :) |
| 13:53.44 | raz0 | But I've been running Debian for so long... I don't think Windows has always been autodected. At least I remember having to do it manually way back. |
| 13:53.52 | g00se | raz0: btw, were you in any special mode (expert?) for it to do that? |
| 13:54.05 | raz0 | No it'll do it automatically. |
| 13:54.13 | raz0 | Grub does it on installation. |
| 13:54.33 | raz0 | I think it even does it every time there's an update to the Grub package :p |
| 13:54.36 | jelly | yow: it's a mess. But I'm going to try burning a DVD+R on this USB LG burner now just for fun. |
| 13:54.43 | yow | jelly, anyway, im afraid i've to leave this matter for the time being as i've spent/wasted too much time on it, i reckon either my writer is not linux friendly or my USB is faulty (hardware and/or software) |
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| 13:54.51 | raz0 | At least I get a message about it finding Windows every time there is an update to the package. |
| 13:55.12 | g00se | raz0: fyi the only reason i found out it did it all was from installing Ubuntu, where the package that does it has debian in the name iirc |
| 13:55.26 | yow | jelly, ok. pls let me know if it's a success, which i think it must be. |
| 13:55.41 | yow | jelly, as u've had no problem with it b4. |
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| 13:56.30 | jelly | I haven't used the usb thing in years. |
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| 13:58.04 | yow | jelly, ic.but i think older hardware is linux-friendlier, unless they break down :) |
| 13:58.11 | jelly | :-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error |
| 13:58.15 | jelly | :-D |
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| 13:59.04 | darkex | running ntpdate/ntpd doesn't change the sys clock, my ntp.conf is 100% correct, udp 123 is open, ideas? |
| 13:59.15 | guzu | hello all |
| 13:59.29 | guzu | how can i prevent networkmanager from starting in squeeze? |
| 13:59.35 | yow | jelly, sorry to hear that... i've come across many WRITE@LBA=xxxh error myself and on the internet but no good article explaining what they imply... |
| 13:59.58 | guzu | i believe it's the rEASON WHY AT 1 HOUR UPTIME MY NETWORK GETS DISCONNECTED |
| 14:00.07 | guzu | oh, sorry :) |
| 14:00.10 | jelly | darkex: if you stop ntpd, run ntpdate 1.pool.ntp.org as root, it doesn't modify the time? |
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| 14:00.19 | darkex | jelly, nope |
| 14:00.28 | jelly | darkex: what does it say? |
| 14:00.33 | darkex | hold on |
| 14:00.46 | darkex | lemme just hop back into my sys |
| 14:00.56 | D4rKr0W | anyone knows thedns zonefile syntax? how does a cname record look? |
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| 14:01.46 | darkex | jelly, i run it twice and the offset's still the same |
| 14:01.53 | darkex | which indicates the time isn't being touched |
| 14:02.06 | jelly | darkex: you didn't pastebin the actual output |
| 14:02.26 | darkex | 20 Jan 14:02:13 ntpdate[23566]: step time server 72.26.125.125 offset -40.706504 sec |
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| 14:03.15 | jelly | darkex: is it a real machine or a virtual environment of some sort? |
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| 14:03.33 | jelly | darkex: the latter may impose all sorts of restrictions |
| 14:03.48 | darkex | i'm pretty sure it's a real machine |
| 14:04.00 | yow | darkex, jelly is right, u need to run ntpdate as root |
| 14:04.03 | yow | darkex, i use ntpdate on daily basis as my laptop mobo is faulty. |
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| 14:04.17 | darkex | yow, i'm not silly enough not to run ntpd as root |
| 14:04.25 | jelly | yow: heh, the usb device has gone completely bonkers and doesn't want to spin down or let my disc out |
| 14:05.01 | yow | jelly, i had that problem too, after the writing failed :( :) |
| 14:05.11 | darkex | but anyway, i'm pretty sure it's a real machine |
| 14:05.16 | frikinz | guzu: removing it prevents it from starting :) |
| 14:05.33 | yow | darkex, did u stop ntpd b4 running ntpdate? |
| 14:05.37 | darkex | yes |
| 14:06.24 | yow | darkex, which time server did/do u use? |
| 14:06.33 | g00se | Thanks folks |
| 14:06.35 | guzu | frikinz, i removed it from /etc/init.d for now, because maybe, someday6 i'll need it's help for wireless :) |
| 14:06.44 | darkex | jelly told me to use 1.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:06.46 | yow | darkex, i can check it for u on my system now |
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| 14:07.23 | darkex | uh |
| 14:07.32 | yow | darkex, it works on my sys: # ntpdate 1.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:07.32 | yow | 20 Jan 22:07:08 ntpdate[15688]: adjust time server 220.130.158.52 offset -0.244924 sec |
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| 14:07.53 | darkex | 20 Jan 14:02:13 ntpdate[23566]: step time server 72.26.125.125 offset -40.706504 sec |
| 14:07.58 | darkex | so does mine |
| 14:08.04 | darkex | except when i run it again it's still the same offset |
| 14:08.47 | jelly | mysteeerious |
| 14:08.55 | darkex | yep |
| 14:09.03 | yow | darkex, my 2nd attempt yields different offset: -0.211343 sec |
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| 14:09.26 | Arrowmaster | try ntpd -q |
| 14:09.29 | yow | darkex, did u get any error msg? |
| 14:09.33 | darkex | ... |
| 14:09.41 | darkex | ntpd works fine, it just doesn't update the system clock |
| 14:09.49 | darkex | i've opened appropriate ports configged 100% properly |
| 14:09.59 | darkex | etc |
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| 14:10.33 | jelly | darkex: care to pastebin your hwclock --debug output |
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| 14:11.57 | darkex | uh |
| 14:11.59 | darkex | gotta go |
| 14:12.02 | darkex | sorry ;p |
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| 14:15.30 | anisfarhana | Hullo. |
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| 14:18.45 | anisfarhana | Anyone can advise me on the backup procedure here ? Maybe using debian as the distro. |
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| 14:28.26 | guzu | hmm, how can i reinstall the 'network' service in squeeze? |
| 14:28.40 | tvm | 'network' service being what ? |
| 14:28.43 | petemc | anisfarhana: backuppc is popular |
| 14:28.59 | guzu | tvm, the owner of /etc/init.d/network file |
| 14:29.09 | stew | guzu: why do you want to reinstall it? |
| 14:29.24 | anisfarhana | petemc: thank you will google about it now. |
| 14:29.25 | guzu | stew, i've delete it by accident |
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| 14:29.50 | dkr | guzu: the networking file is in the netbase package |
| 14:30.13 | guzu | dkr, thank you |
| 14:30.21 | stew | guzu: its the 'netbase' package. but if you've deleted a conffile, you'd need to reinstall it with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:30.44 | stew | guzu: and "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/networking" would have told you the package name |
| 14:30.59 | guzu | stew, thank you |
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| 14:34.33 | hertz | I'm trying to run compiz on debian squeeze, I read here -> http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz that I need make some change on xorg.conf, but I can't find xorg.conf on /etc/X11. I'm missing something? |
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| 14:37.49 | adb | !xorg.conf |
| 14:37.50 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
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| 14:38.48 | babilen | hertz: X -configure |
| 14:39.42 | hertz | babilen, I`ve to logout to do that? |
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| 14:42.32 | babilen | !xorg config squeeze |
| 14:42.33 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration". If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 14:42.46 | babilen | hertz: I'll just refer you to the wisdom of the bot ;) |
| 14:43.15 | babilen | hertz: You basically have to start it with a different DISPLAY (e.g. :1 or :42 if that is more to your liking) |
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| 14:43.30 | hertz | babilen, thanks ^^ |
| 14:44.06 | babilen | no problem ... I see that you already found the compiz wiki. Let me have a short look if what they suggest is still recent |
| 14:45.09 | babilen | hertz: I would actually just try it first without those modifications. Composite should be enabled by default, do you have an ATI, NVIDIA or Intel card? |
| 14:46.10 | hertz | babilen, an ATI |
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| 14:46.38 | babilen | hertz: And IMHO EXA is used by default these days instead of XAA, so i'm not sure about the XAA settings in there. |
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| 14:47.21 | babilen | hertz: Try it with recent radeon drivers and make sure to read the README.Debian of compiz as the instructions in there are more recent than the wiki page. Just saying, never used compiz, so I am not completely sure |
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| 14:47.45 | babilen | hertz: Do you actually run into problem when you run "compiz --replace" ? |
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| 14:49.51 | Cain | Hi, how can I upgrade lenny's kernel ? (i still have the 2.6.26-2-686 one) |
| 14:49.58 | babilen | !bdo kernel |
| 14:49.59 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly. You can then "aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian. |
| 14:50.13 | hertz | babilen, I got an error when I try compiz --replace |
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| 14:50.50 | kenifanying | hi everyone, I want to install Gnochm in squeeze. I try "sudo aptitude install gnochm" or "aptitude install Gnochm" nothing can be found. anyone can help me? |
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| 14:51.52 | babilen | hertz: could you paste it to http://paste.debian.net along with the output of "glxinfo" and 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg-radeon libgl*' and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please? |
| 14:52.44 | abrotman | judd: versions gnochm |
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| 14:52.45 | judd | Package gnochm on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8-1.1; lenny: 0.9.11-2 |
| 14:52.49 | abrotman | kenifanying: not in lenny |
| 14:52.54 | abrotman | erm, not in squeeze |
| 14:53.30 | abrotman | kenifanying: there is xchm and a kchm<something> .. or chm2pdf |
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| 14:54.41 | babilen | hertz: Make that: dpkg -l "xserver-xorg-radeon libgl*" (you have to quote it with "" to prevent the shell from expanding *) |
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| 14:55.15 | pozic | frikinz, jelly: the feature sortof already exists. You just have to specify an exact entry. |
| 14:55.33 | pozic | So, you do not have to refer to it by number. |
| 14:55.45 | kenifanying | I can install Gnochm in lenny, but why can't install it in squeeze? It's not a free software? |
| 14:56.12 | frikinz | pozic: ah ok. Is it documented? |
| 14:56.30 | pozic | frikinz: in a reaction on a blogpost ;) |
| 14:56.38 | babilen | kenifanying: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549036 |
| 14:56.46 | pozic | frikinz: I don't know whether it is in the official documentation. |
| 14:56.48 | hertz | babilen, one second please |
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| 14:57.19 | pozic | frikinz: grub2 is still not stable, so it might be that the documentation is also not done yet. |
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| 14:59.59 | kenifanying | babilen,thanks! |
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| 15:08.06 | itchi | Hi all, is it still not allowed to use encryption in the States? |
| 15:08.46 | itchi | I remember back these days of NON-US there or what was it... but seems things changed slightly |
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| 15:11.14 | frikinz | you are now allowed but you have to provide the key :) |
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| 15:12.48 | frikinz | itchi: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US |
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| 15:15.37 | itchi | frikinz: Thanks for this info! Cool that they changed they mind :P |
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| 15:17.01 | hertz | babilen, glxinfo -> http://paste.debian.net/105159/ and the dpkg -l "xserver-xorg-radeon libgl*" -> dpkg -l "xserver-xorg-radeon libgl*" | No packages found matching xserver-xorg-radeon libgl*. |
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| 15:19.14 | babilen | hertz: argh, stupid me ... I meant "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" :-\ |
| 15:19.26 | g105b | This may be a stupid question... but when following the ISP mail server tutorial http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny, should you be setting the addresses up with what's provided in the tutorial (john@example.org) or your own domain? |
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| 15:20.41 | hertz | babilen, it happens ^^ |
| 15:20.46 | hertz | babilen, -> http://paste.debian.net/105160/ |
| 15:20.48 | babilen | hertz: ok, glxinfo output looks OK, please show me the error you get and /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well (easier with "aptitude install pastebinit" and "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log") |
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| 15:22.31 | hertz | babilen, MUCH easier ^-^ -> http://paste.debian.net/105161/ |
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| 15:23.00 | babilen | hertz: hehe :) |
| 15:23.04 | jargon- | a safe-upgrade installed grub to a partition and not the MBR. how do i re-MBR it? |
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| 15:25.19 | babilen | jargon-: grub-install /dev/WHATEV (e.g. grub-install /dev/sda) |
| 15:25.34 | babilen | jargon-: You might want to run "update-grub" before that |
| 15:26.06 | babilen | hertz: Looks fine so far ... "COMPOSITE" has been enabled. Not sure what the compiz error might be ... could you show me? |
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| 15:26.53 | jargon- | babilen: ok trying that now |
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| 15:28.56 | hertz | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/105163/ |
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| 15:30.39 | honeypot | I need a newer version of VLC than the one from apt-get, what do you suggest plz |
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| 15:31.29 | karlpinc | ,versions vlc |
| 15:31.30 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.3-1squeeze1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze1; experimental: 1.1.5-3 |
| 15:31.52 | babilen | hertz: hum ... AFAICS you have hardware rendering enabled :-\ |
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| 15:32.13 | babilen | hertz: You might want to let the #compiz people take a look at that ... |
| 15:32.23 | hertz | what means AFAICS? |
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| 15:32.53 | babilen | as far as i can see ... |
| 15:33.12 | hertz | babilen, ^-^" thanks |
| 15:33.31 | hertz | babilen, I'll do that, and thanks again ^^ |
| 15:34.10 | honeypot | karlpinc: I have Lenny and I get 0.8.6.h-4, how can I get a newer version? |
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| 15:34.55 | karlpinc | honeypot: I'm not sure. Is there something newer in dmm? |
| 15:35.11 | karlpinc | honeypot: There's always the <ssb> factoid.... |
| 15:35.15 | honeypot | karlpinc: I think nope :( |
| 15:35.38 | honeypot | karlpinkc: what is ssb? |
| 15:35.46 | karlpinc | !tell honeypot about ssb |
| 15:36.26 | karlpinc | honeypot: "self sid backport". I don't know much about video. Perhaps if you told us why you think you need a newer version we could tell you some other solution. |
| 15:37.13 | honeypot | karlpinc: the version I have doesn't recognise new commands.... :( |
| 15:38.09 | karlpinc | honeypot: You could upgrade to squeeze. (Proposed release date is Feb 5/6, but you can upgrade now if you don't need super security support between now and then.) |
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| 15:38.28 | karlpinc | honeypot: And what's wrong with the old commands? |
| 15:38.32 | babilen | hertz: you do have libgl1-mesa-glx installed, didn't you? I would also be quite happy if you could let me know what the actual problem was, so I can give better advice the next time. |
| 15:38.43 | kenifanying | babilen, aircrack-ng is also not included in squeeze? I can't find any package named aircrack-ng or Aircrack-ng . |
| 15:39.02 | honeypot | karlpinc: I'm not accustomed with them and I'm not used to its log errors |
| 15:39.12 | babilen | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 15:39.13 | judd | Package aircrack-ng on i386 -- etch: 1:0.6.2-7etch1; etch-security: 1:0.6.2-7etch1; lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-1.1 |
| 15:39.20 | stew | !why is aircrack-ng not in testing |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=aircrack-ng |
| 15:39.29 | babilen | hugs stew |
| 15:40.04 | hertz | babilen, yes I've, sure as soon as I got it running I let u know ^^ |
| 15:40.29 | babilen | hertz: I'll idle in #compiz, fwiw |
| 15:41.10 | babilen | hertz: You might want to check their wiki/documentation as well .. have you read the README.Debian of the compiz package as I suggested before? |
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| 15:42.39 | jemadux | one question .... what version is the kernel in testing ? |
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| 15:43.02 | babilen | 2.6.32 |
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| 15:43.42 | honeypot | I'm using Lenny, how to update to squeeeze from command line karlpinc? |
| 15:43.58 | AnthLee | where can I find the driver I am currently using for graphics in Squeeze? |
| 15:44.09 | stew | honeypot: follow chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 15:44.31 | jemadux | AnthLee: what you have ? nvidia or ati or intel / |
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| 15:44.45 | stew | AnthLee: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:44.51 | AnthLee | thanks stew :) |
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| 15:45.47 | karlpinc | !tell honeypot about squeeze release notes |
| 15:46.22 | boudiccas | when squeeze is releaesed will i tbe poissible to doi a stright uograde to it from lenny? |
| 15:46.38 | dvs | boudiccas: read the release notes |
| 15:46.49 | babilen | boudiccas: Yes, the process is detailed in the release notes. (Not sure if you consider that "straight" though) |
| 15:46.59 | karlpinc | boudiccas: Sure, but see the squeeze release notes for notices of any possible problems and what to do about them. |
| 15:47.06 | boudiccas | ty all |
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| 15:47.45 | karlpinc | boudiccas: The release notes are large, but it's all "be sure to check this important thing first", etc. The actual upgrade process involves very few commands. |
| 15:48.51 | boudiccas | i'll probably need my hand held whilsty i di it due tio me being a noob on debian, but 5+ years of RH usage |
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| 15:49.25 | g105b | This may be a stupid question... but when following the ISP mail server tutorial workaround.org/ispmail/lenny, should you be setting the addresses up with what's provided in the tutorial (john@example.org) or my own domain? |
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| 15:49.56 | karlpinc | boudiccas: You'll probably do fine then. The "work involved" is that while the upgrade happens it occasionally stops and asks you about a config file that you have changed that has also had it's default config changed, so you need to resolve the differences. |
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| 15:50.40 | karlpinc | g105b: Your own domain, likely, although who know's what sort of advice is on that site. |
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| 15:51.32 | g105b | karlpinc: the reason I'm asking is because I've tried it 3 times with my own domain, and the mail isn't getting stored. (its sending fine though). |
| 15:51.43 | karlpinc | Does the upgrade process have an option to patch your changed config file with the diff between the old and new default config files? Would that be a sane idea? |
| 15:51.50 | boudiccas | ah, ty. presumably that wil make more sense when i actually come across it but i havent chnaged any coinfig files yet, still waioting to get the cta 5 cable to get ionline with it |
| 15:52.20 | ham5 | synaptic asks you each time karlpinc |
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| 15:53.06 | ddman | Can i tell someone per process or set the executable such that the brk(0) just after execve is less than some fixed address like 0x7ffffff |
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| 15:53.33 | karlpinc | ham5: ? synaptic is not part of the upgrade process. |
| 15:53.57 | dvs | karlpinc: It won't patch the config file. It will either leave the config file or put in the new config file. Either way, a copy of both config files will be left behind. |
| 15:54.50 | karlpinc | dvs: That's what I recall. Wouldn't a patch choice save some time. That's what I wind up doing a lot of the time anway, especially when the changes involve comments. (I like having the comments up to date.) |
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| 15:55.27 | dvs | karlpinc: How would the program know which part to take from which config file? |
| 15:56.42 | karlpinc | dvs: It would generate a patch by diffing the old default config with the new default and try to apply that to the, user modified, existing config file. If it applies cleanly then you'd have the choice to see the result and choose to use it. |
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| 15:57.28 | ddraskovic | hi all. How to install appropriate kernel headers ? |
| 15:58.03 | karlpinc | ddraskovic: aptitude install linux-kernel-headers At least that works in lenny. |
| 15:58.15 | karlpinc | dvs: What do you think? |
| 15:58.40 | ddraskovic | karlpinc, will it know exact version needed for my kernel ? |
| 15:59.09 | ddraskovic | or do I gave to check with uname -a, and select headers for my version ? |
| 15:59.19 | karlpinc | ddraskovic: If you're using one of the debian supported kernels it will. (It's a virtual package, and there's some magic behind the scenes.) |
| 15:59.19 | dvs | karlpinc: If it applies cleanly, sure. But chances are that it won't. |
| 15:59.41 | dvs | ddraskovic: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:00.11 | ddraskovic | dvs, too late |
| 16:00.27 | ddraskovic | dvs, how to check which virtual package was installed ? |
| 16:00.32 | karlpinc | dvs: Then no harm done. You won't even see the option. In my case often it will apply cleanly, or so I recall from the last upgrade. |
| 16:00.47 | dvs | cool |
| 16:00.56 | karlpinc | ddraskovic: aptitude search '~ilinux-kernel-headers' |
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| 16:01.16 | dvs | ddraskovic: dpkg -l linux-headers* |
| 16:01.18 | ddraskovic | karlpinc, this gives nothing |
| 16:01.59 | ddraskovic | dvs, ok |
| 16:02.02 | ddraskovic | thanks guys |
| 16:02.14 | dvs | np |
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| 16:02.29 | karlpinc | ddraskovic: Oops. it's linux-headers, not linux-kernel-headers |
| 16:02.52 | karlpinc | dvs: Ok. If I've talked you into it then I'll submit a wishlist bug. |
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| 16:09.23 | danols | I would like to create a user that can only edit website files i.e. www-data owner/group - should add them to that group or do you suggest a different appraoch ? |
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| 16:10.18 | ham5 | sounds good to me |
| 16:10.38 | stew | danols: do you need the webserver itself to be able to edit files? |
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| 16:11.42 | danols | yes |
| 16:11.49 | danols | plus it's a dev server |
| 16:12.04 | danols | but I would like to see still how to do it 'properly' |
| 16:12.08 | karlpinc | danols: (That's not a particularly good idea.) |
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| 16:12.21 | danols | karlpinc: what do you suggest ? |
| 16:12.39 | stew | danols: you have a user that needs to be able to edit the same files that the webserver itself creates/modifies? |
| 16:12.56 | danols | stew: yes I am using SQLite for most small sites |
| 16:13.01 | stew | danols: having the webserver have write accesss is what is dangerous, you should try to limit how much it can write to |
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| 16:13.25 | danols | stew: Yes I understand |
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| 16:13.36 | karlpinc | danols: Instead of having the webserver edit files you can use something like incron to run a script that checks for valid edits (or whatever) and isolates the webserver from the filesystem. |
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| 16:14.19 | danols | karlpinc: a sollution that is one level down from that complexity |
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| 16:14.25 | karlpinc | danols: You can read http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 16:14.50 | infogulch | hi guys. i'm running a debian vm and i'm trying to figure out what i installed via aptitude. is there a way to list what i installed? |
| 16:15.07 | stew | infogulch: aptitude search '~i' |
| 16:15.30 | infogulch | stew: thanks :) |
| 16:15.35 | stew | infogulch: if you don't want to include the stuff automatically installed to satisfy dependencies, "aptitude search '~i!~M'" |
| 16:15.38 | karlpinc | danols: It does not have to be complex. You just want to be sure that when you say "do this" that "this" happens. |
| 16:16.08 | danols | question |
| 16:16.13 | infogulch | awesome |
| 16:16.34 | danols | sure lets say I only chown the files that need to be edited by apache |
| 16:16.42 | karlpinc | danols: (Although I did find incron to be slightly difficult to debug, getting the $PATH it uses right and all that, because it's hard to watch what it's doing.) |
| 16:17.20 | danols | when that file is edited by our dev i.e. uploaded etc apache will loose access to it |
| 16:17.47 | karlpinc | danols: You can use ACLs. See the permissions page. |
| 16:18.18 | karlpinc | danols: You may or may not be able to use user private groups as well, depending. |
| 16:18.21 | rgr | anyone got any experience of installing squeeze on a Win 7 machine? Will Grub2 detect win 7 and add it or are there more hoops? Getting my new netbook tomorrow. Dont want to wipe win 7 since need it for certain sync apps. Im thinking boot it via external sysrescue dvd, gparted it then install debian via "whatever"? Any advice : usb or "live" possible? Basically if you have any experience comments or words of warning appreciated. |
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| 16:18.50 | danols | anyone here just assigns the users to www-data group ? |
| 16:19.07 | stew | danols: does this new user need to edit the sqlite databases? |
| 16:20.15 | danols | sure |
| 16:20.20 | danols | to change schema for example |
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| 16:20.29 | danols | on that note when I log in i also want to be able to edit files |
| 16:20.36 | danols | aside from implementing ACLS |
| 16:20.49 | danols | the only solution I see is to add us to the www-data group |
| 16:21.00 | danols | again guys this is on dev/staging server |
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| 16:21.05 | krion | how can i undo apt-get source <package> ? |
| 16:21.10 | karlpinc | danols: You could give people sudo rights to specific commands that copy files into the right location. |
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| 16:21.14 | stew | so the sqlite databases should be owned by www-data but nothing else owned by www-data, you and the new user are in the same group that owns the files he needs to edit |
| 16:21.16 | krion | i want to remove source package |
| 16:21.24 | danols | karlpinc: very very great ideas |
| 16:21.30 | stew | krion: use rm |
| 16:21.34 | danols | however to much effort |
| 16:21.49 | danols | i'm trying to K.I.S.S. |
| 16:21.57 | krion | stew: oh ok thanks but in fact it's because i'm not sure which file was installed and want to reinstall them |
| 16:22.35 | infogulch | stew: O_O i don't think the second one worked as expected... there's at least 100+ packages installed, and i *know* i didn't type that many packages in lol |
| 16:22.37 | karlpinc | danols: If you trust them, just let them become root, without letting them login as root directly. That's simple. And you'll have logs-ish. |
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| 16:23.07 | infogulch | stew: i'm trying to install the same packages on a different vm |
| 16:23.19 | stew | infogulch: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 16:24.14 | stew | krion: apt-get source fetches a .dsc file. the dsc file describes what other files are included, so open that and see what other files you have to delete. then it unpacks the source in ./ usually to a directory named packagename-upstreamversion |
| 16:27.59 | danols | karlpinc: I trust them and I just made them part of www-data group and it's all working :P thanks for the help |
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| 16:31.35 | krion | stew: ok thanks ! |
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| 16:31.57 | wissem | hello |
| 16:32.01 | wissem | how to install kde in squeeze ? |
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| 16:33.28 | stew | wissem: aptitude install kde-standard or aptitude install kde-full |
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| 16:34.01 | stew | wissem: or one of the kde-plasma-{desktop,notebook} packages perhaps |
| 16:34.05 | stew | depending on what you mean by kde |
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| 16:34.19 | wissem | stew, and which version will get ? |
| 16:34.34 | wissem | i have some problems in my gnome installation |
| 16:34.46 | wissem | so i want to install a full kde enviroment |
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| 16:35.09 | wissem | so it is aptitude install kde-full ? |
| 16:35.25 | stew | yes, its kde-full, which is kde4 |
| 16:35.46 | themill | !install kde4 |
| 16:35.46 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, "kde-standard" gets you the common set up, "kde-plasma-desktop" and "kde-plasma-netbook" provide minimal kde4 setups with respective flavouring, and "kde-full" installs everything kde4. For more details on metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html . Also read the topic in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 16:36.59 | ElDiabolo | wissem, What problems does your gnome have? |
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| 16:38.16 | wissem | after upgrading and have the menu neither the taskbar and i cant execute anything :/ |
| 16:38.36 | wissem | i tiried installing a new test user ,didnt work thought |
| 16:40.05 | ElDiabolo | wissem, The test user did have the same problems? |
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| 16:40.44 | wissem | ElDiabolo, yep it have |
| 16:41.27 | wissem | i ll give kde a try, i've been a gnome user for some time now |
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| 16:42.20 | SolomonKull | KDE is always buggy for me. |
| 16:42.25 | SolomonKull | Slow. |
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| 16:43.40 | SolomonKull | wissem: sounds like you need to load gnome via your xinit config or something. It sounds like you're booting into Xorg without a Window manager. |
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| 16:44.43 | datenritter | hi! why does it say "all rights reserved" in the "about"-menu in openoffice 3? shouldn't this contain some gpl (or whatever FOSS-license) info? |
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| 16:45.24 | wissem | SolomonKull, yes and how can i fix that? |
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| 16:46.02 | SolomonKull | you need to edit your xinitrc file, I would assume. |
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| 16:46.55 | SolomonKull | add the line gnome-session & to .xinitrc in home dir, or globally in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc (I think that's the path) |
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| 16:47.50 | SolomonKull | Or add it to the bottom of /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 16:48.42 | ElDiabolo | wissem, or just install gdm or gdm3 |
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| 16:49.11 | AZora | wow, you guys are great. All I had to do was /join #debian and my problem got solved! You didn't have to even do anything, just be here |
| 16:49.19 | wissem | ElDiabolo, i have it installed |
| 16:49.26 | babilen | AZora: magic! |
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| 16:49.31 | SolomonKull | AZora: what was the problem? |
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| 16:49.45 | AZora | and btw: thanks a ton for the Linode.com reference, it is awesome! massive performance increase and I can see what is going on with the VPS! |
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| 16:50.06 | AZora | I configured a pinning for testing, but i was requesting a package from unstable :/ |
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| 16:50.38 | babilen | AZora: Ah, I remember. So, you figured it out eventually? |
| 16:50.53 | raid93 | Hi there! Maybe someone knows what to do about that problem: Every 3 hours i get an e-mail from my rootserver with the subject "Cron <amavis@localhost> test -e /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob && /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob sa-sync" The content is always like this: "bayes: synced databases from journal in 0 seconds: 141 unique entries (141 total entries)" The number (141) changes is every mail. Server is a debian lenny with postfix and dovecot and, as u can s |
| 16:51.00 | AZora | Yeah, the hybrid works well. Mysql 5.1 and php 2.3.3 running on lenny |
| 16:51.07 | AZora | but i'm doing the same config on linode now |
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| 16:51.21 | Fratyr | Hello. I've installed tomcat5.5 from default repository, It should listen on 8180 port, as It says in /etc/tomcat5.5/server.xml but no connection from outside. How can I check what denies me? |
| 16:52.00 | SolomonKull | Fratyr: dynamic IP? |
| 16:52.03 | SolomonKull | DNS. |
| 16:52.07 | Fratyr | nope |
| 16:52.19 | Fratyr | no domain is connected, trying by using ip:port |
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| 16:53.01 | SolomonKull | Fratyr: your ISP may be blocking traffic to that port, but that would be strange. |
| 16:53.09 | Fratyr | no It isn't |
| 16:53.14 | stew | AZora: we strongly discourage doing what you are doing fwiw |
| 16:53.17 | Fratyr | anything on the server can do this? |
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| 16:54.09 | SolomonKull | Fratyr: I am unaware of the setup and ignorant of the software you mentioned, so I cannot make comments or suggestions beyond what I've already made. |
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| 16:55.00 | ElDiabolo | Fratyr, Did you try localhost:8180? |
| 16:55.09 | AZora | stew: i know :/ but i need specific features from newer code :/ If the next version goes stables soon, i'll switch |
| 16:55.10 | Fratyr | where from? |
| 16:55.14 | Fratyr | ElDiabolo: It's remote server |
| 16:55.23 | Fratyr | IP: 217.194.219.114 |
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| 16:56.08 | ElDiabolo | Fratyr, Connect via ssh and do a telnet localhost 8180 |
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| 16:56.47 | Fratyr | Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. |
| 16:57.11 | Fratyr | and then the console hangs |
| 16:57.12 | AZora | At least I get to witness the Super Cow Powers: dpkg: considering deconfiguration of libc6, which would be broken by installation of libc-bin ... dpkg: yes, will deconfigure libc6 (broken by libc-bin). |
| 16:57.14 | ElDiabolo | Fratyr, So it does listen on localhost. |
| 16:57.31 | Fratyr | ElDiabolo: maybe I need to give tomcat remote ip to listen on? |
| 16:58.11 | ElDiabolo | Fratyr, The console hangs until you do press ENTTER twice. |
| 16:58.33 | ElDiabolo | Fratyr, Probably. |
| 16:59.22 | stew | AZora: if you are going to run squeeze, just upgrade to squeeze, don't try to mix stable with non-stable |
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| 17:00.23 | thewanderer1 | what capabilities does dnsmasq require? |
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| 17:01.33 | AZora | I'll do squeeze when you guys say it is ready. I killed 4 VPS installs trying to get testing installed :/ At least this works ... *sigh* you guys do a great job |
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| 17:04.30 | ElDiabolo | bye |
| 17:05.49 | babilen | AZora: What problems did you run into with the Squeeze install/upgrade? |
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| 17:07.33 | AZora | babilen: when switching entirely to unstable, the VPS wouldn't boot and I couldn't get a dmesg report. It was with VPS.net and grub and grub-pc packages failed to install properly. I suspect their custom debian distro image wasn't configured well and nonstandard but I switched VPS providers to the recommendation |
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| 17:08.00 | babilen | not unstable! but squeeze (testing) |
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| 17:09.48 | AZora | err testing sorry |
| 17:10.16 | AZora | apt-get dist-upgrade = uber fail on VPS.net |
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| 17:10.34 | babilen | ok, have you tried the upgrade with linode? mixing release will cause you endless pain (stable+testing/unstable at least) |
| 17:10.45 | AZora | (Xen image based... xen image packages... no clues aside from grub and grub-pc complaining with System.map) |
| 17:10.56 | thewanderer1 | awwww Xen... crap |
| 17:10.57 | babilen | yeah, i've been around yesterday. |
| 17:11.10 | thewanderer1 | you should try KVM-based hosting, it doesn't use Xennish hacks |
| 17:11.19 | AZora | I'm doing stable+testing on linode right now and I'm up and working :) so i'm a happy user |
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| 17:12.45 | satellit_ | virtualbox 4 works great on OSX and Ubuntu for testing Debian squeeze running it now |
| 17:13.10 | satellit_ | installed sugar-desktop also |
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| 17:16.05 | babilen | AFAIK virtualbox is meant to be a desktop virtualisation tool and not meant for running lots of virtualised guests on a server. but who know? (you? voice your opinion!) |
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| 17:18.13 | titanio | hello... could someone please tell me if Debian Lenny = Debian 5.0.3 ? thanks |
| 17:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... lenny is 5.x.x |
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| 17:19.01 | stew | titanio: 5.0.7 is the current point release of lenny. 5.0.3 was a previous one |
| 17:19.17 | titanio | thank you very much, kind-but-with-an-scary-nickname sir |
| 17:19.29 | titanio | thank you too, stew |
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| 17:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell titanio about dibbler |
| 17:21.11 | titanio | good to know... well, have a nice day |
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| 17:27.04 | thewanderer1 | hey, I can't make KMail work on Squeeze. after launching it, I wait a few seconds, Akonadi comes up with some error "report" and when I choose to close the report, KMail closes as well |
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| 17:30.02 | tharkun | Gentlemen sorry to bother, there was a dbus update today. It broke havoc among several users of lenny |
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| 17:30.45 | ansgar | tharkun: Is your $HOME on a network filesystem? If so, see #545139. |
| 17:30.50 | ansgar | thewanderer1: ^^ |
| 17:30.54 | tharkun | It seems it broke the ability of XFCE to set things up properly. Several users configurations broke down. How do i revert, downgrade or get out of this tight spot |
| 17:31.08 | tharkun | ansgar: no their $HOME is local |
| 17:31.11 | thewanderer1 | ansgar: my home is local, but it is exported via NFS, so in the nearest future it will be on NFS |
| 17:32.22 | thewanderer1 | well... I can create sockets just fine |
| 17:32.23 | tharkun | ansgar: :D |
| 17:32.53 | f3xy | does aptitude store deb files locally? I want to view the contents of a package I installed through aptitude. |
| 17:33.06 | thewanderer1 | f3xy: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:33.07 | ansgar | thewanderer1: Hmm, I thinkt he dialog offers to save a report. In there should be more information why akonadi does not want to start. |
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| 17:33.12 | f3xy | thanks |
| 17:33.30 | tharkun | ,versions dbus |
| 17:33.33 | judd | Package dbus on i386 -- etch: 1.0.2-1+etch3; etch-security: 1.0.2-1+etch3; lenny: 1.2.1-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.2.1-5+lenny1; sid: 1.2.24-4; squeeze: 1.2.24-4; experimental: 1.4.1-1 |
| 17:33.51 | thewanderer1 | well kmail is working now, temporarily |
| 17:34.02 | thewanderer1 | but in a moment I'll receive an error... |
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| 17:35.57 | thewanderer1 | wtf, I have 2 mysql processes running |
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| 17:36.52 | thewanderer1 | both use the same data dir, but one is a child of init, while the other is a child of akonadi_something |
| 17:37.03 | thewanderer1 | so looks like one of them has detached |
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| 17:37.34 | thewanderer1 | I don't want to go back to Icedove :( |
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| 17:37.49 | tharkun | Gentlemen why would a dbus upgrade not upgrade the version number of the package? |
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| 17:38.10 | jelly | that sentence makes no sense |
| 17:38.22 | babilen | doesn't it? |
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| 17:38.31 | tharkun | jelly: mine? |
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| 17:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wouldn''t if you compiled your own dbus package of the same version |
| 17:38.59 | jelly | indeed. What does a "dbus upgrade" mean, if not changing versions of some installed package |
| 17:39.26 | tharkun | security upgrade today according to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:40.28 | stew | judd: versions dbus |
| 17:40.30 | judd | Package dbus on i386 -- etch: 1.0.2-1+etch3; etch-security: 1.0.2-1+etch3; lenny: 1.2.1-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.2.1-5+lenny1; sid: 1.2.24-4; squeeze: 1.2.24-4; experimental: 1.4.1-1 |
| 17:40.49 | stew | tharkun: the dsa says 1.2.1-5+lenny2 which is greater than 1.2.1-5+lenny1 |
| 17:40.57 | jelly | tharkun: /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 17:40.59 | babilen | tharkun: Please provide more information (respective versions, changelog, etc) |
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| 17:43.09 | tharkun | Checking wait a sec |
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| 17:45.59 | tharkun | babilen, jelly, stew: ok rechecked the dpkg -l|grep dbus and all 3 machines which are broken do have the 1.2.1-5+lenny2 package |
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| 17:46.21 | tharkun | It seems i missplaced an ssh terminal, sorry for that |
| 17:46.37 | tharkun | Question is how do i roll back to lenny1? |
| 17:47.17 | stew | tharkun: aptitude install dbus=1.2.1-5+lenny1 |
| 17:47.34 | tharkun | stew: trying it on the first candidate |
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| 17:50.02 | brugidou | apt-get or aptitude? i never used aptitude |
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| 17:50.21 | brugidou | what's your preference |
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| 17:52.29 | rava | greetings, anyone have insite into what would cause this during a dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/D1epAk2F |
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| 17:53.08 | rava | I've been googling all morning without finding much on that starting mysql db string |
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| 17:54.07 | thewanderer1 | rava: the error doesn't tell anything in particular - the ESC and numbers are just borked colour settings in Bash |
| 17:54.28 | thewanderer1 | the real error should be inferred from the logs |
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| 17:54.36 | rava | got that from the apt logs |
| 17:54.48 | thewanderer1 | well, it still is not informative |
| 17:55.03 | thewanderer1 | the mysql log should be consulted |
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| 17:55.44 | sbyrne | If I want to mirror data across 2 identical physical disks (not /, but something in /mnt/), should I use MD or LVM2 mirroring? |
| 17:55.46 | tharkun | stew: downgrading to the previous version did not fixed things. I temporarily instructed users to manually run programs. I'll further research into it |
| 17:55.51 | tharkun | any ideas where? |
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| 17:56.50 | stuckey | judd: versions vdpau |
| 17:56.52 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'vdpau' was found in i386. |
| 17:57.50 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:58.08 | tharkun | babilen: please pm where i can find your requested info. General guidelines would be appreciated. It seems today is one of those days |
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| 17:58.47 | danols | can you guys recommend a nice console ftp client (ncurses stuff) |
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| 17:59.32 | rava | thewanderer1: thanks, bloody log is empty for that day |
| 18:00.07 | stuckey | no vdpau in stable |
| 18:00.10 | thewanderer1 | danols: sorry but there are not good ncurses ftp clients, use textual interface instead |
| 18:00.11 | sbyrne | danols: ncftp |
| 18:00.31 | babilen | tharkun: Provide more information on the actual error you are getting. You might also want to check what else changed during that upgrade (and revert the udev downgrade) ... |
| 18:00.40 | thewanderer1 | oh, besides ncftp :P |
| 18:00.51 | rava | i've ruled out the upgrade failing due to the debian-sys-maint user config, perms, etc.. any clues as to what else might cause a package to download/install but remain in a half-configured state? |
| 18:01.09 | thewanderer1 | recommends mounting FTP as a filesystem though |
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| 18:05.18 | thewanderer1 | can I use byobu profiles with normal screen? |
| 18:05.45 | thewanderer1 | actually I'm on OpenBSD now but the profile was generated with Debian's byobu and the remote screen is GNU |
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| 18:08.47 | Cain | Hi again, if i have to identical servers (physically) A(with debian lenny) & B, A have a hardware failure (won't boot anymore) moving the hd from A to B without reinstalling the system should work without problem ? |
| 18:08.56 | Cain | s/to/two |
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| 18:10.54 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 18:10.58 | thewanderer1 | provided that they are really identical |
| 18:11.07 | thewanderer1 | i.e. the MAC addresses of the network interfaces are the same |
| 18:11.40 | cusco | that would not matter, I recon |
| 18:11.44 | redddo | Hello, where I can set in CUPS that when I connect to shared printer The server respond with message "The server for the <how insert this?> printer does not have correct driver....." |
| 18:11.45 | Cain | thewanderer1 : ah, it matters ? |
| 18:11.49 | cusco | I moved disks from different harwared and worked no problems |
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| 18:12.47 | danols | how do I install mysql ? |
| 18:13.00 | danols | I have installed mysql-common but it's not compelete |
| 18:13.04 | danols | mysql-server too ? |
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| 18:13.32 | Cain | !tell danols about install mysql |
| 18:15.11 | hertz | !tell hertz about install mysql |
| 18:15.16 | cusco | danols: if oyu want mysql-server then yes |
| 18:15.26 | cusco | if you want only mysql-client then, mysql-client |
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| 18:18.14 | danols | thanks guys |
| 18:18.16 | danols | that worked! |
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| 18:20.53 | elmiko | hi, i'm using the squeeze rc1 install and i'm having trouble locating a python package(PyXML) in apt, does anyone know what this would be part of? |
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| 18:23.06 | coops89 | how do I allow a a sub 1000 TCP port to be used without being root? |
| 18:23.17 | tharkun | babilen: ok, it seems that upon installation of the dbus package and its dependencies, lots of X stuff was resetted on the XFCE window manager. Also cups went haywire. Restarting the machine and making XFCE be in charge again fixed the isue. It seems it only afected X and related programs. |
| 18:23.30 | tharkun | babilen: thx for the information |
| 18:23.38 | danols | thewanderer1: can you clarify ? |
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| 18:24.01 | danols | sbyrne: which version looks like 2 has full screen but not version 3 - which one do you use ? |
| 18:24.09 | thewanderer1 | danols: hmm, on what? sorry, I was crashing KDE a few times... |
| 18:24.09 | tharkun | stew, jelly: thx for your support and time |
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| 18:25.03 | tharkun | thewanderer1: BTW the "ninja kernel killer" seems to have been a static discharge that happend when touching the machine. Changed office and it seems it is ok now |
| 18:25.22 | danols | thewanderer1: textual ftp interface |
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| 18:25.57 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: heh I somehow suspected hardware :P |
| 18:25.58 | babilen | tharkun: great, but what do you mean by "making XFCE be in charge again" ? |
| 18:26.30 | ElDiabolo | Has anybody used an ocz revodrive with squeeze? Did it "just work"? |
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| 18:27.08 | thewanderer1 | danols: oh, that. well, you can disregard that... I tend to forget about ncftp at times. or you can use FUSE with FTP file system |
| 18:27.14 | tharkun | babilen: wait a sec I'll get you the exact place where i ticked a button ;P |
| 18:27.38 | stew | elmiko: is it not integrated into python itself? |
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| 18:29.15 | stew | elmiko: ah, no, its not, and I'm not sure if it is packaged at all |
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| 18:30.38 | tharkun | babilen: main xfce menu-> configuration -> configuration managment -> desktop -> allow xfce to manage desktop (please bare the lousy translation from spanish) |
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| 18:32.05 | tharkun | That is why when the update was done on gnome and kde machines nothing broke besides cups. |
| 18:32.14 | babilen | tharkun: Ah, OK. Sorry, I don't have time to look into it right now, but I wonder why your XFCE configuration got borked by a dbus update. |
| 18:32.37 | hertz | babilen, now compiz work just fine ^^ |
| 18:32.37 | manhunter | http://www.go2linux.org/linux/2011/01/debian-squeeze-6-0-installation-screen-shots-and-review-891 |
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| 18:32.58 | manhunter | why is this ? http://www.go2linux.org/linux/2011/01/debian-squeeze-6-0-installation-screen-shots-and-review-891 |
| 18:33.10 | manhunter | it is like fedora installer window |
| 18:33.18 | manhunter | is it anaconda installer / |
| 18:33.20 | elmiko | stew: thanks, i'm guessing i'll have to manually install |
| 18:33.50 | tharkun | babilen: I understand your lack of time, everyone has to have priorities ;P BTW thx for the support |
| 18:34.12 | manhunter | wha is the default DE for the first cd ? http://www.go2linux.org/linux/2011/01/debian-squeeze-6-0-installation-screen-shots-and-review-891 |
| 18:34.15 | manhunter | gnome or kde |
| 18:34.29 | SolomonKull | manhunter: Gnome is the defualt DE for Debian. |
| 18:35.08 | SolomonKull | All I see it GTK/Gnome on that page, must be the graphical installer. |
| 18:35.08 | manhunter | SolomonKull, using the first CD ? |
| 18:35.26 | SolomonKull | manhunter: you can install ANY DE on the first CD, I assume. |
| 18:35.34 | manhunter | no |
| 18:35.39 | SolomonKull | There shold be an option for "Alternative desktop" on teh grub menu. |
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| 18:35.53 | SolomonKull | At least the netinstall disks offer that. |
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| 18:36.05 | thewanderer1 | DVD1 includes this option as well |
| 18:36.17 | manhunter | SolomonKull, no , using hte cd ,not dvd , and not installing from network |
| 18:36.34 | SolomonKull | manhunter: either way, they should all be there, and if not then Gnome is for sure. |
| 18:36.37 | manhunter | http://www.go2linux.org/linux/2011/01/debian-squeeze-6-0-installation-screen-shots-and-review-891 |
| 18:36.50 | SolomonKull | manhunter: All I see if GTK/Gnome on that page. |
| 18:36.52 | manhunter | the icon of the debian should be red circle |
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| 18:37.12 | manhunter | the second photo , the icon is other with universal |
| 18:37.14 | SolomonKull | The new artwork is space-themed |
| 18:37.25 | SolomonKull | Not using the official logo, using a logo made from stars. |
| 18:37.27 | tharkun | manhunter: check the expert install options. If i recall correctly you can install kde xfce and some other de aout of the box |
| 18:37.29 | SolomonKull | Like a spiral galaxy |
| 18:37.36 | SolomonKull | tharkun: exactly. |
| 18:37.45 | SolomonKull | expert install from the grub menu |
| 18:37.46 | jhutchins_lt | !tell manhunter about install guide |
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| 18:37.49 | manhunter | the official debian logo is better |
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| 18:38.02 | SolomonKull | manhunter: you're seriously complaining about the logo on the installer?? |
| 18:38.02 | manhunter | no need galaxy icon |
| 18:38.05 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: There is no need to keep repeating the screenshot URL. |
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| 18:38.46 | manhunter | look at the second picture |
| 18:38.55 | manhunter | at top left of the second picture |
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| 18:39.07 | manhunter | it's mixed with red circle |
| 18:39.11 | SolomonKull | So? |
| 18:39.19 | manhunter | that is not debian logo |
| 18:39.27 | manhunter | that is something else |
| 18:39.34 | manhunter | debian logo should be debian log |
| 18:39.36 | manhunter | logo |
| 18:39.41 | SolomonKull | Its a rocket spiriling in the shape of a spiral galaxy, the shape of the Debian logo. |
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| 18:39.58 | SolomonKull | I smell a troll. \ |
| 18:40.40 | manhunter | i complained it |
| 18:40.54 | manhunter | spiral red logo is better |
| 18:41.03 | manhunter | solid red spiral debian logo |
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| 18:41.13 | manhunter | any developer noticed it ? |
| 18:41.14 | guzu | hello again |
| 18:41.18 | stew | manhunter: lots |
| 18:41.44 | discozohan | Hi! Question about rsync: i have source file with chown "news:news". I am using rsync over ssh with -o and -g options applied. Why rsync doesn't want to set chown "news:news" on destination side ? |
| 18:42.17 | discozohan | it just ignores owner and group of source file, doesn't even try |
| 18:42.34 | jimcooncat | discozohan: Cpt. Obvious asks, do you have that owner and group on your destination? |
| 18:42.51 | thewanderer1 | also are you executing that as root on the remote side? |
| 18:42.56 | guzu | i'm trying to install squeeze on a system that has the inetl 100 ethernet card. it requires firmware and i have a stick with the firmware (on a subfolder). but the installer keeps probing the floppy drive and asking for the firmware. how can i add the firmware so that i can continue the netinstall? |
| 18:43.30 | discozohan | jimcooncat: yes, i have. But, for example, i don't have rights on remote side to change owner and group. But, as i suppose, rsync should say me about that .. |
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| 18:49.31 | jimcooncat | discozohan: I take it that you probably can't ssh in as "news", so I think your stuck there without admin support |
| 18:49.33 | rawtaz | hello. can someone please comment on what the right way to create a squeeze LXC container is, under a squeeze host? it appears that lxc-debian is still just lenny, and various tutorials ive read seem to indicate that just changing that to squeeze is not stable for some reason. also some use lxc-create instead. its a bit confusing. i want to create a system container. |
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| 18:50.13 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: just use debootstrap as usual |
| 18:51.02 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: build your solution on this: http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/lxc-configure-debian-lenny-containers/ |
| 18:51.09 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: hm, but that is just for placing files in the chroot of the container, isnt it? at least everywhere i have read they do both debootstrap (to pupulate the filesystem of the container) and then lxc-create or lxc-debian or such |
| 18:51.18 | rawtaz | *looks* |
| 18:51.46 | rawtaz | ah yeah |
| 18:51.47 | thewanderer1 | write the lxc config file yourself, don't be a chicken :) |
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| 18:51.54 | rawtaz | its one that ive read :) |
| 18:52.10 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: okay so lxc-debian and lxc-config is just for creating the config file for the container? :) |
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| 18:52.17 | thewanderer1 | well, looks like it |
| 18:52.34 | rawtaz | btw i did find http://blog.foaa.de/2010/05/lxc-on-debian-squeeze/ to be slightly more *apparently* up to date, or at least specifically made for squeeze |
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| 18:53.02 | rawtaz | ok well ill continue work on it. just wanted to see what ppl used because i read different info between the guides |
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| 18:53.27 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: yes, the mentioned howto says "You might have noticed that you got yourself a debian 5.0 lenny container." |
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| 18:53.34 | thewanderer1 | so it doesn't build squeeze either :P |
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| 18:53.49 | thewanderer1 | you have to do it manually... kind of like with OpenVZ, but harder |
| 18:53.53 | rawtaz | yeah. it does provide a modified lxc-debian though, but it says better not use it :D |
| 18:53.58 | thewanderer1 | also keep in mind that LXC security is void |
| 18:54.06 | rawtaz | hm, do you have a pointer for that? |
| 18:54.11 | rawtaz | sounds dangerous |
| 18:54.18 | thewanderer1 | root in container == root in host |
| 18:54.21 | thewanderer1 | lemme find that one |
| 18:54.49 | ShaunR | when i cat /etc/debian_release the version says squeeze/sid what number version is that? |
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| 18:55.15 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: http://www.mail-archive.com/lxc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00991.html this thread |
| 18:55.24 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: also read IBM's "securing containers" cookbook |
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| 18:56.27 | rawtaz | i see. thanks very much for pointing that out |
| 18:57.24 | thewanderer1 | ShaunR: it has no version - you are running a testing/unstable system |
| 18:57.43 | rawtaz | i believe the version number will be 6, when its released soon |
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| 18:58.31 | leafwiz | hey, like.. I'm starting in a new job soon, and my boss said I should think about what computer I would like to have. I can choose from dell laptops, and maybe lenovo. I would like to run Debain or Ubuntu on it. Anyone has any good recommondation. It needs to be something with solid linux hw support. So it will Just Work (TM), I'm also going to run a dualscreen , and a docking station on it. |
| 18:58.59 | thewanderer1 | leafwiz: ThinkPad X201 |
| 18:59.08 | leafwiz | I don't want any issues with sleep or hibernation |
| 18:59.20 | catsup | well |
| 18:59.40 | catsup | there might be some issues even with a thinkpad |
| 18:59.56 | thewanderer1 | I was running one and every single button, every single indicator was supported |
| 18:59.57 | catsup | you could get a laptop with linux preloaded, then you're guaranteed |
| 19:00.08 | catsup | yeah thinkpads tend to be near 100% |
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| 19:00.30 | thewanderer1 | yes, but you need to pick one from the IBM-initiated series, not the Lenovo-invented plastic crap |
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| 19:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even then... they might have loaded some proprietary stuff to support some of the hardware that you can't get your own hands on |
| 19:00.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | could it be that the vloopback from the squeeze repository is horribly outdated? |
| 19:00.59 | leafwiz | Oh, whats the initiated series. How do I know if it is ? |
| 19:01.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | and one should use v4l2loopback instead? |
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| 19:01.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | atleast I can't seem to find a working gstreamer plugin for vloopback ^^ |
| 19:01.43 | thewanderer1 | leafwiz: ThinkPad X series, T series, R series are generally fine |
| 19:01.52 | thewanderer1 | leafwiz: when in doubt, visit http://thinkwiki.org |
| 19:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, oi, these buggers are expensive |
| 19:02.17 | leafwiz | thewanderer1, aha.. okay. Yeah, my thinkpad R51 was a good trooper |
| 19:02.18 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I know, but if it's for a business laptop, better choose something of high quality that is actually workable, no? |
| 19:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, no argument there... if someone's willing to pay for it... |
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| 19:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just looking out of interest |
| 19:03.08 | leafwiz | but say I had to choose dell. I know dell used to be a bit "linuxy", are there any recommendations there? |
| 19:03.09 | thewanderer1 | older Dells were also good quality and Linux support, but it's hard to find new ones with such a good support now |
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| 19:03.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | leafwiz: take a modell that comes with a linux distribution |
| 19:03.49 | leafwiz | thewanderer1, you know of any series? |
| 19:03.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | leafwiz: wipe said distri from the hdd and install something real ;D |
| 19:04.15 | leafwiz | Like what is the R , T , and X equivalent in dell laptops |
| 19:04.17 | leafwiz | ? |
| 19:04.18 | catsup | leafwiz: check out this companY: http://www.emperorlinux.com/ |
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| 19:04.36 | catsup | leafwiz: they install linux on dell laptops. whatever laptops they use should work well, presumably |
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| 19:05.06 | thewanderer1 | leafwiz: the equivalent of X or the lighter T models seems to be the D4XX series |
| 19:05.14 | thewanderer1 | where XX are 2 digits |
| 19:05.29 | thewanderer1 | yes, try emperorlinux if possible |
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| 19:06.38 | catsup | also might want to see http://www.system76.com/ |
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| 19:10.53 | CaBa | hi |
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| 19:15.16 | leafwiz | And with monitors. are there any really good work monitors? I hear the Eizo should be good? |
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| 19:16.49 | leafwiz | I can of course google it.. But anyone had a good tip , it would be appreciated :) |
| 19:17.17 | thewanderer1 | hm, no suggestions, other than getting some decent resolution |
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| 19:17.56 | thewanderer1 | and horizontal space is not as valuable as vertical space in all cases... proportions do matter, so a screen like this [ ] is no good |
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| 19:18.38 | leafwiz | mm... why I started using a tiling manager |
| 19:18.48 | leafwiz | because of the wide screens |
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| 19:19.12 | thewanderer1 | awesome3? :D |
| 19:19.19 | leafwiz | I can recommend xmonad , easy to install and to use. |
| 19:19.28 | leafwiz | but strange config files.. >P |
| 19:19.31 | leafwiz | :p |
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| 19:19.46 | thewanderer1 | awesome3 can run (and by default does) one environment per screen, it gives you some manageability |
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| 19:20.12 | leafwiz | thewanderer1, cool.. I'll check it out |
| 19:20.30 | thewanderer1 | rather... awesome :P |
| 19:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I went to one of the big chain stores ... the LCD TVs they sold all had the same resolution... and going to the computer department, all LCDs had the exact same resolution... 19xxXsomething |
| 19:20.52 | leafwiz | 1920x1080 |
| 19:20.55 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: blame the "Full HD" crowd |
| 19:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 19:21.06 | leafwiz | yeah, it sux.. They should focus on more dpi |
| 19:21.08 | thewanderer1 | I only like 4:3 :P |
| 19:21.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's disgusting... that's hardly any sensible amount of space in the Y direction |
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| 19:21.25 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 19:21.45 | thewanderer1 | but... GOOD screens allow rotation on the stand so you can use them vertically |
| 19:21.46 | leafwiz | old monitors used to at least have 1200 y |
| 19:22.00 | thewanderer1 | so look for a rotatable one preferably :) |
| 19:22.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well 1024... but 1080 is hardly any different |
| 19:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... 66 pixel? |
| 19:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ for progress |
| 19:22.28 | thewanderer1 | 56 :) |
| 19:22.30 | leafwiz | thewanderer1, yeah, my first lcd was like that. Was nice. |
| 19:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 19:22.52 | thewanderer1 | \o/ for `echo 1080-1024 | bc -lq` |
| 19:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or calc 1080-1024 |
| 19:23.07 | CaBa | widescreens are standard for a long time now and also gui design is more and more optimized for wide screens |
| 19:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it? |
| 19:23.22 | thewanderer1 | what is GUI design? :P |
| 19:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I decided to give the dwarf or wossname a try when installing this machine |
| 19:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's a bar on top and on bottom... further reducing space in the Y direction |
| 19:24.14 | leafwiz | http://www.trustedreviews.com/monitors/review/2009/04/01/HP-DreamColor-LP2480zx---24in-Professional-LCD-Display/p1 |
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| 19:24.16 | leafwiz | :p |
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| 19:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I didn't look carefully, this monitor only has 1600x900... would be really painful if I hadn't a 2nd monitor connected |
| 19:26.08 | leafwiz | 1200 in vertical is nice. I haven't tired higher |
| 19:26.56 | danols | found a full screen FTP client |
| 19:27.02 | danols | use MC (midnight-commander) |
| 19:27.19 | danols | ncftp version 3 no longer has full screen |
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| 19:29.43 | jelly-hme | danols: lftp is rather nice even if it has no curses full screen thingy |
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| 19:30.28 | jelly-hme | parallel get, background jobs, weird protocols, mirroring both ways |
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| 19:32.02 | leafwiz | fyi, if you want a sweeeeet monitor. Go look for one with an P-IPS panel. |
| 19:33.26 | jelly-hme | has a second-hand Dell 2005FPW and it's very nice |
| 19:33.46 | jelly-hme | (S-IPS) |
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| 19:37.03 | izzyb_ | I'm trying to get ldap authentication working on a new server using data from an existing ldap server. everything seems to be working, except the passwords for some of my accounts aren't being recognized by the new server even though they work just fine on the old one. It appears the ones that are working are in crypt format, while the ones that aren't are md5. I'm puzzled as to why this isn't a problem for the old server but appears |
| 19:37.03 | izzyb_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:38.24 | jelly-hme | izzyb_: mmm... force those users to change passwords and ignore the techincal issue <g> |
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| 19:38.53 | izzyb_ | I could update all the accounts to use crypt, but it looks like ssha is the default for openldap and seems to be the logical choice if Im going to update all the passwords |
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| 19:39.35 | izzyb_ | jelly-hme: yeah, I thought about that, but I'm still puzzled as to why the old server works just fine even with the mixed password schemes |
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| 19:42.52 | grondilu | Flashplayer used to write cache files on /tmp but since I updated flash, there's nothing anymore on /tmp when I watch videos. Where is the cache now ? |
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| 19:44.20 | grondilu | it must be somewhere on disk, right ? |
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| 19:48.05 | jelly-hme | grondilu: the newer version opens the file and deletes it, you can see that with lsof |
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| 19:49.10 | jelly-hme | this isn't too hard to circumvent if you want to keep copies of the file and know a little C and make LD_PRELOAD library |
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| 19:51.51 | grondilu | ok |
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| 19:52.10 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: thank you very much again. what i gather from reading that thread and the ibm article (briefly) is that currently the namespace support isnt done, and that is the key feature that is needed for containers to be considered "secure" without using selinux or smack. using the latter looks like a little work, and admin-error-prone |
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| 19:53.20 | rawtaz | and i suppose that if you were to set up web, mail, ftp, and some other containers, its possible that a successful attack in one of them could lead to root in the container and thereby control over the whole machine (unless it has been secured with selinux and smack as per the IBM article and further work) |
| 19:53.43 | jelly-hme | rawtaz: vserver and openvz patchsets extend and complete the namespace features |
| 19:54.33 | jelly-hme | in fact that's where the features trickle into the vanilla tree from |
| 19:54.43 | rawtaz | oh.. |
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| 19:55.40 | thewanderer1 | LXC has much cleaner code than OpenVZ, though |
| 19:55.55 | thewanderer1 | but I still use OpenVZ for service separation on production machines |
| 19:56.56 | jelly-hme | my employer is deploying Parallels for webhosting |
| 19:57.21 | thewanderer1 | heh... |
| 19:57.35 | jelly-hme | how does openvz serve you (as a better chroot I guess)? |
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| 19:57.50 | thewanderer1 | it's great, besides breaking IPv6 conntrack |
| 19:58.30 | thewanderer1 | but I'm not using IPv6 on critical nodes yet, just at home |
| 19:58.45 | jelly-hme | sounds like an interesting thing to wrap exposed services in |
| 19:58.50 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 19:58.53 | cire | Hi, I am wondering when http://git.qemu.org/qemu.git/commit/?id=51ef67270b1d10e1fcf3de7368dccad1ba0bf9d1 gets into debian testing/sid. Is there a way to find out? |
| 19:58.57 | thewanderer1 | I run exactly one daemon per container |
| 19:59.01 | rawtaz | im trying to find those patches (assuming its something one can apply somewhat easily :) |
| 19:59.39 | thewanderer1 | cire: according to the uncertainity principle, the only way to know for sure is to port it yourself |
| 19:59.41 | jelly-hme | !openvz |
| 19:59.41 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level virtualization, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. Installation instructions at http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian . <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22 (BTS #585864). http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 19:59.45 | jelly-hme | !vserver |
| 19:59.46 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows creation of virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously. Comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. Deprecated in Debian (BTS #574529); ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver . See also <virtualization>. |
| 20:00.04 | thewanderer1 | VServer is not supported anymore... it's also unworkable, due to the lack of iptables virtualisation |
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| 20:00.21 | jelly-hme | well then |
| 20:00.22 | jelly-hme | !lxc |
| 20:00.23 | dpkg | [lxc] Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system, which uses kernel-level isolation. The LXC userspace tools are not packaged for Lenny. http://wiki.debian.org/LXC http://lxc.sf.net/ See also <virtualization>. |
| 20:00.29 | thewanderer1 | hmm why isn't OpenVZ mentioned in the Vserver factoid? |
| 20:00.32 | LemensTS | Do you think Debian would have any problems installing on this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6241289&CatId=2683 |
| 20:00.50 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: the factoids don't like each other. |
| 20:01.44 | thewanderer1 | LemensTS: you need non-free firmware for the 1000Mbps ethernet in Squeeze, and I don't know about the storage controller (SmartArray). other than that, Core i3 is supported perfectly |
| 20:01.56 | jelly-hme | LemensTS: Debian usually works very well on Proliants. |
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| 20:02.43 | LemensTS | thewanderer1: im fine with 100Mbps, I just use Lenny its the stable release still right? |
| 20:02.51 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: cciss (SmartArray) driver has been in there since forever, but entry level models usually use SATA disks instead of SCSI/SAS over SmartArray |
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| 20:03.24 | Operator23 | I have an instance of monit that doesn't appear to be sending mail |
| 20:03.33 | Operator23 | I can send mail from the box (with "mail", for example) just fine |
| 20:03.33 | thewanderer1 | LemensTS: yes. However, Squeeze will be released very soon (read the channel topic), so... by the time your server ships, Squeeze might be stable :) |
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| 20:03.38 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell LemensTS about proliant |
| 20:03.48 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell LemensTS about kmuto |
| 20:03.56 | thewanderer1 | and Squeeze will need non-free firmware |
| 20:04.44 | Operator23 | I'm having some trouble figuring out how to troubleshoot this |
| 20:04.48 | rawtaz | jelly-hme: im sorry, i understood what you said like that there are patches from openvz, that one can apply to the kernel or some lxc part, in order to complete the namespaces. but did you mean that those patches are already on their way upstream or even in the tree already? |
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| 20:05.21 | jelly-hme | rawtaz: No, I meant they're present in their respective trees. |
| 20:05.30 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: OpenVZ will not be in mainline, LXC UID namespace support is underway |
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| 20:05.49 | thewanderer1 | I don't think UID separation is in LXC tree yet |
| 20:05.54 | rawtaz | ok |
| 20:06.14 | rawtaz | just a bit confusing, i never deal with linux otherwise :) |
| 20:06.56 | rawtaz | by "their respective trees", do you mean openvz and vserver's own source trees, which have nothing to do with the linux kernel or lxc itself? |
| 20:07.09 | rawtaz | ie them patches are simply in those respective products :) |
| 20:07.23 | rawtaz | and if i wanted to i could maybe take them in myself and use them |
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| 20:07.34 | jelly-hme | rawtaz: the vanilla kernel is managed by very conservative people that like clean code more than features, so both vserver and virtuozzo (openvz) people built very similar features on top of Linux |
| 20:07.44 | rawtaz | yeah |
| 20:07.55 | jelly-hme | and managed them out of the main tree |
| 20:08.01 | rawtaz | amongst others some support for namespaces |
| 20:08.06 | rawtaz | or equivalent features |
| 20:08.50 | jelly-hme | namespaces are possibly the defining feature of that sort of cheap virtualization approach |
| 20:09.17 | rawtaz | mm :) |
| 20:09.44 | jelly-hme | See also: bsd jails; Solaris zones |
| 20:09.55 | rawtaz | ive actually used bsd jails a lot |
| 20:10.02 | rawtaz | and tried zones in solaris |
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| 20:11.37 | rawtaz | ok but i guess this isnt for me, at the very least i would have to figure out what patches to get in order to secure the containers, patch the kernel or whatever, and make sure i did things right :D |
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| 20:13.20 | danols | jelly-hme: I found lftp not as user friendly as ncftp - it's nice that it asks if you want to make this site a bookmark on exit |
| 20:13.39 | rawtaz | its just that bsd jails doesnt have the same features when it comes to resource management :-/ |
| 20:13.43 | danols | jelly-hme: so I decided on MC and NCFTP :P |
| 20:14.10 | cusco | lftp alows to read command scripts from text file, its great functionality |
| 20:14.43 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: I'd recommend running OpenVZ until LXC is usable |
| 20:15.07 | rawtaz | maybe thats a good option |
| 20:15.21 | thewanderer1 | there's a nice interface for it - Proxmox VE |
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| 20:15.26 | thewanderer1 | is really a Debian with an added repo |
| 20:15.32 | rawtaz | i suppose its pretty easy to migrate them, i mean the container's filesystem is just, the way it is. some config files need changing |
| 20:15.38 | jelly-hme | danols: yeah. Then again it keeps command line history and it's easy to bo add bookmarkname |
| 20:15.39 | rawtaz | oh |
| 20:15.43 | rawtaz | im gonna check it out right now |
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| 20:35.47 | rawtaz | gee. im trying to search for "openvz" at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages but it says the search term is too general. lol |
| 20:36.14 | rawtaz | i cant fine-tune it any more iwthout know the name of the packages :P |
| 20:36.49 | rawtaz | ah, aptitude works better |
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| 20:41.44 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: vzctl + linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 |
| 20:41.56 | thewanderer1 | or if you prefer lenny, it was some earlier image |
| 20:42.32 | rawtaz | no need for linux-modules-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 ? |
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| 20:43.31 | thewanderer1 | hm, isn't this a dependency? |
| 20:43.38 | rawtaz | could very well be |
| 20:43.47 | thewanderer1 | by the way since when are modules packaged separately? |
| 20:44.05 | thewanderer1 | I don't think the package exists :P |
| 20:44.30 | rawtaz | its marked with a 'v' in the aptitude search result list :) |
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| 20:44.40 | rawtaz | im trying to find what that means, i presume its virtual or something |
| 20:44.48 | Sir-Integra | is there a way to mount a LINUX share in windows? |
| 20:45.16 | Sir-Integra | example: 1tb drive on my linux box, share it and mount it on my windows server? |
| 20:45.32 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell Sir-Integra about ext3ifs |
| 20:46.05 | jelly-hme | Sir-Integra: oh, a _share_! Either use samba to create a share, or use Windows 7 NFS support |
| 20:46.23 | jelly-hme | (or get Services for UNIX for an older Windows) |
| 20:46.25 | jimcooncat | Sir-Integra: if it's a Samba share, then yes. I don't know about NFS. Another method is set up sshd on the linux box and use Dokan SSHFS in windows |
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| 20:47.02 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: would you say to use http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian as the base? |
| 20:47.32 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: I'd say to use the two aforementioned packages as base and not install anything from external repos, not a single package |
| 20:47.54 | jelly-hme | Sir-Integra: SfU won't work on Home versions of Windows. However showmount/mount nfs tools worked out of the box on Win 7 Enterprise for me. |
| 20:47.56 | jimcooncat | jelly-hme: win 7 has nfs? wow. I had a hard time to connect it to Win2000 |
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| 20:48.00 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: the templates are pretty much useless in packages, you're better off using debootstrap, and for other distros, downloading manually |
| 20:48.04 | rawtaz | yeah indeed. i will install those two, and not anything from external repos like in this article. but i mean for configuration and such |
| 20:48.05 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: out of the box! |
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| 20:48.28 | rawtaz | ok |
| 20:48.42 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: the only thing to do is put the sysctl snippet somewhere in /etc/sysctl.d/ |
| 20:48.45 | jelly-hme | basically they just put SfU in there right away |
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| 20:49.31 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: also, on all my systems, I configure /etc/vz/vz.conf to store the machines in /srv/vz - makes a nice solution for LVM storage and such |
| 20:49.57 | Sir-Integra | The box has sshd on it. So I can create one of the hdd's in my linux server to be a samba share? |
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| 20:50.18 | Sir-Integra | jelly-hme - my Windows server is Windows 2003 R2. |
| 20:50.23 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: you might as well wish to configure VZ to store the guests in $VEID/private and $VEID/root instead of private/$VEID and root/$VEID - less crap |
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| 20:50.48 | jelly-hme | Sir-Integra: you can install SfU on it but don't do it if it's a production machine. |
| 20:51.09 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: do you have one logical volume per VM? |
| 20:51.13 | thewanderer1 | heh, I had SfU running on Windows Server... quite nice |
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| 20:51.25 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: yes, but I manage that by hand |
| 20:51.45 | rawtaz | so every /src/vz/* is one LV then |
| 20:52.19 | Sir-Integra | jelly-hme - It's just for storing files/testing things really, it is a machine open to the outside network, but I could always firewall the ports it uses for internal use only. |
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| 20:53.35 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: every /srv/vz, yes, something like that |
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| 20:53.50 | jelly-hme | Sir-Integra: a windows machine on the internets? I hope you firewalled all the RPC ports (tcp/445, and other) |
| 20:53.51 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: I used to store some VZ on ZFS but the performance was rather poor |
| 20:54.16 | rawtaz | interesting :) |
| 20:54.26 | thewanderer1 | (yeah, it was zfs-fuse) |
| 20:54.26 | Sir-Integra | jelly-hme - Linux server is, so is the Windows machine, I filtered all ports except RDP, but that's firewalled for certain Ips only. |
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| 20:54.29 | rawtaz | i cant wait for btrfs :/ too bad its so far away |
| 20:54.57 | Sir-Integra | jelly-hme - I just wanted to know if there was a simple way to access my linux drive (the 1TB drive) from Windows. |
| 20:55.21 | jelly-hme | I can't wait for... well, I can wait for anything. For example, Oracle porting ZFS to Linux and changing the license. |
| 20:55.33 | rawtaz | yeah that would be a good thing meanwhie |
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| 20:55.34 | rawtaz | le |
| 20:55.42 | jelly-hme | samba is probably it |
| 20:55.52 | rawtaz | sounds like it |
| 20:56.06 | rawtaz | its made for sharing files with windows clients |
| 20:56.08 | jelly-hme | (that's for Sir Integral) |
| 20:56.45 | rawtaz | yes |
| 20:56.51 | Sir-Integra | So, could anyone point me to a guide for this? I mean, there's millions of guides explaining how to do the opposite. |
| 20:56.53 | rawtaz | was just seconding you :) |
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| 20:58.04 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: btrfs works for one development machine for me, but there are no good userspace tools yet |
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| 21:04.23 | Zharf | what was that tool called to select apt mirrors? |
| 21:04.29 | hemu | netselect-apt |
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| 21:05.23 | jelly-hme | !flw0 |
| 21:05.23 | dpkg | <gentooxxx> i'm a newb when i comes to some things like the easy stuff but then the real technical stuff i'm real good at |
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| 21:07.07 | nucks | Hi I installed squeeze as 'English UK' but now it's installed a UK keyboard map (and I, in fact, have a US keyboard) and I don't seem to be able to get rid of it. I have tried removing it in the keyboard properties in gnome and adding USA but it seems to just come back when I log out and in. Is there any way to fix this? |
| 21:08.59 | jelly-hme | !tell nucks about keymap |
| 21:09.20 | jelly-hme | !tell nucks about locales |
| 21:10.10 | jelly-hme | nucks: gnome has its own settings, I'm not using it and am not sure how you're going to fix those |
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| 21:10.26 | nucks | Hrm, thanks jelly-hme. |
| 21:10.28 | nucks | indow 10 |
| 21:10.31 | nucks | oops. |
| 21:10.55 | jelly-hme | !give nucks a /w |
| 21:10.55 | dpkg | gives nucks a /w |
| 21:11.14 | nucks | :D |
| 21:11.21 | nucks | Hrm.. Package `console-data' is not installed and no info is available. |
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| 21:14.46 | jelly-hme | nucks: which debian release are you using? |
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| 21:15.27 | jelly-hme | there are separate instructions for lenny and squeeze in that factoid |
| 21:16.06 | g105b | Can someone give me a really rough estimation of how many average websites (photo galleries, blogs, etc) can run on 256mb ram, compared to 4gb ram? |
| 21:16.37 | jelly-hme | g105b: depends on the number of visitors and how bad the apps are written |
| 21:16.45 | jelly-hme | badLY |
| 21:16.49 | Arrowmaster | nucks: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 21:17.41 | jelly-hme | g105b: could be 10, could be 100, could be one site is killing the machine |
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| 21:18.15 | jelly-hme | 10 is as good a figure as any |
| 21:18.26 | g105b | is 256mb ram too little for 10 personal websites? |
| 21:18.44 | nucks | thanks Arrowmaster :) and jelly-hme: running the RC1 of squeeze. |
| 21:18.45 | g105b | written in simple php, no bloated frameworks, but efficient code |
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| 21:19.30 | jelly-hme | g105b: if your efficient code drives away comment/account spam, you might have a chance |
| 21:20.12 | jelly-hme | found a wordpress instance using a mysql db with 45000 tables and 5GB of disk last week |
| 21:20.22 | rawtaz | wow :O |
| 21:20.26 | g105b | I'm trying to figure out how much ram to give my server ... signing up for cloud hosting, so more can be added later, but what's a good starting point? |
| 21:20.54 | g105b | I make simple personal websites for people, so they aren't going to be blockbusters |
| 21:20.59 | jelly-hme | g105b: dunno, try 256MB and see how it works |
| 21:21.03 | jelly-hme | !TIAS |
| 21:21.03 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 21:22.14 | g105b | jelly-hme: yeah, I will ... just trying to cost things out |
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| 21:23.34 | jelly-hme | I'd also try 128MB. |
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| 21:24.42 | thewanderer1 | will you be hosting dynamic websites with PHP/MySQL? |
| 21:25.19 | thewanderer1 | and do you get some swap space, or is 256MB the limit of the address space as in OpenVZ? |
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| 21:30.48 | g105b | thewanderer1: 256mb is the limit |
| 21:31.03 | g105b | thewanderer1: yeah, dynamic php/mysql |
| 21:31.55 | thewanderer1 | they are memory monsters |
| 21:32.09 | thewanderer1 | how are you going to host PHP? via what? |
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| 21:33.01 | g105b | thewanderer1: apache |
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| 21:33.23 | thewanderer1 | so... apache2+suPHP? |
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| 21:33.56 | g105b | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:34.10 | thewanderer1 | yes, but will you be hosting multiple users? |
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| 21:34.55 | g105b | thewanderer1: I'm not sure... why would I do that? (sorry for being a noob) |
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| 21:35.11 | rking | What governs the Unicode input? That is, which process catches my keypress when I hit Ctrl+Shift+u then type 271d <enter> to get something like this?: â |
| 21:35.36 | pickcoder | is it possible to configure a drbd device over an existing block device without destroying data? |
| 21:35.40 | thewanderer1 | g105b: well, I'm asking whether you will be hosting 1 site for 1 user only or multiple sites owned by different people |
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| 21:36.16 | g105b | thewanderer1: oh I thought you meant linux users ... yes I will be hosting multiple sites owned by different people |
| 21:36.25 | thewanderer1 | rking: I don't know, but apparently on my machine anarchy reigns, as the key combo doesn't work :P |
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| 21:36.45 | thewanderer1 | g105b: then how are you planning to prevent user1 from stealing user2's MySQL passwords? |
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| 21:37.51 | g105b | thewanderer1: how could user1 get access to the file system to read them in the first place? |
| 21:37.56 | Arrowmaster | rking: i cant remember but i think its the ui toolkit that does that GTK/Qt or it could be the X server itself |
| 21:38.14 | thewanderer1 | g105b: by letting them run PHP :) |
| 21:38.14 | rking | thewanderer1: Are you running Gnome? |
| 21:38.19 | thewanderer1 | rking: no, KDE |
| 21:38.25 | rking | thewanderer1: Ahh... 1 sec... |
| 21:38.46 | g105b | thewanderer1: I've secured sql injection attacks as much as possible |
| 21:39.09 | pickcoder | found my answer but it's more complicated than I expected |
| 21:39.12 | rking | Arrowmaster: Based on what thewanderer1 said I guess it's not X itself but GTK |
| 21:39.27 | thewanderer1 | g105b: do the users manage the sites, or are you the admin? can the applications manipulate files? |
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| 21:39.38 | g105b | thewanderer1: basically I'll be starting off hosting ~5 dynamic websites, low hit rate... I'd like to keep the server as small (ram and hdd) as possible to reduce costs fully |
| 21:39.48 | g105b | thewanderer1: I am the admin |
| 21:39.52 | thewanderer1 | oh, I see |
| 21:40.08 | g105b | thewanderer1: the users can edit their sites using a simple content management system I wrote in php |
| 21:40.20 | thewanderer1 | and the management system does not allow them to read random files? |
| 21:40.33 | thewanderer1 | (or worse, to write random files) |
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| 21:40.56 | themill | .oO(just what the world needed, yet another cms in php) |
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| 21:41.10 | thewanderer1 | themill: go write one in NASM if you will :) |
| 21:41.48 | g105b | thewanderer1: the cms does not have read/write abilities to files. there is no file reading/writing |
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| 21:42.06 | thewanderer1 | g105b: okay. then I recommend dumping Apache altogether and using lighttpd or Cherokee instead |
| 21:42.19 | thewanderer1 | Cherokee is the fastest and lightest of them |
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| 21:42.44 | thewanderer1 | and you can actually point'n'click the vhost configuration :D |
| 21:42.56 | g105b | thewanderer1: hmm, I will have a look into them |
| 21:43.20 | thewanderer1 | Apache often demands really much memory, so 256MB could be too little for this monster |
| 21:44.07 | thewanderer1 | the worst is with ImageMagick though - I needed to get a full GB of RAM to generate image thumbnails |
| 21:44.38 | rawtaz | isnt there some ncurses-like frontend for LVM administration under the console? i cant find it |
| 21:44.42 | g105b | thewanderer1: ahh thanks. What are the limitations to lighttpd or Cherokee? |
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| 21:45.37 | thewanderer1 | well. they don't accept Apache configuration syntax :P |
| 21:45.50 | rawtaz | nginx is nice too, no? :) |
| 21:46.09 | thewanderer1 | yes, if you speak enough Russian to read throgh the proper howtos :) |
| 21:46.13 | rawtaz | hah |
| 21:46.20 | rawtaz | yeah true. but i think there is english docs now |
| 21:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | g105b: Other packages may not recognize them as http servers for dependency purposes and/or may not work correctly with them. |
| 21:46.26 | g105b | thewanderer1: roughly how much ram per website using cherokee mysql php ? |
| 21:46.28 | rawtaz | but cherokee is probably more documented :) |
| 21:46.45 | thewanderer1 | g105b: I run my home server in 128MB with Cherokee, PHP and MySQL |
| 21:46.54 | thewanderer1 | it hosts a few very low-traffic sites |
| 21:47.10 | ElDiabolo | g105b, apache has a lot of modules and can do almost everything (e.g. apply xsl stylesheets) |
| 21:47.14 | g105b | thewanderer1: I see, that's cool... and on apache the limit of 256mb would be hit quickly? |
| 21:48.36 | thewanderer1 | not very quickly if not dealing with images, but sometimes it is a bugger |
| 21:48.47 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't fdisk allow to start a partition from sector 32 |
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| 21:49.10 | rawtaz | personally i wouldnt run apache unless i had a specific requirement that nginx or cherokee or lighttpd cant handle |
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| 21:49.22 | rawtaz | its too bloated |
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| 21:49.27 | g105b | thewanderer1: thanks for the advice, I'll try out lighttpd and cherokke |
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| 21:51.36 | rking | thewanderer1: Well, you use XIM. I'm not sure how to type Unicode code points in XIM. |
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| 21:52.29 | thewanderer1 | well, nevermind. ZażóÅÄ gÄÅlÄ
jaźŠis enough for me. |
| 21:52.49 | rking | thewanderer1: How did you type that? |
| 21:53.36 | thewanderer1 | with my very own pl_PL.UTF-8 keyboard |
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| 21:54.23 | rking | thewanderer1: Just curious... are you good enough with English phonetics that you could type up a very realistic ASCII pronunciation for that "Zazolc gesla jazn" (accents dropped out of laziness)? |
| 21:54.34 | Arrowmaster | JyZyXEL: MSDOS partition format limitation, sector 63 is the first usable one |
| 21:55.06 | rking | thewanderer1: "Yellowing Gesle self"???? |
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| 21:55.52 | thewanderer1 | rking: sorry but I don't know the IPA well enough, also the sentence is not supposed to make sense :) |
| 21:56.06 | JyZyXEL | Arrowmaster: well i just had to do 'fdisk -S 32' |
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| 21:56.47 | rking | thewanderer1: Not IPA, ASCII. Just in normal characters, like this: I would try to read it, "Zash olk guess lah jazzin'" |
| 21:59.14 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: i installed vzctl and the openvz kernel. /vmlinuz and /initrd.img have been changed by the installation, to reflect this. would you say its safe to reboot this server now, or do i need to make some more settings or such for openvz before rebooting? |
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| 21:59.25 | rking | Wow. XIM really needs to make its own Wikipedia page and Google results. It sucks. |
| 21:59.59 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: it's just a normal kernel, if you're migrating from 2.6.32 to the openvz flavour it's safe |
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| 22:00.27 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: yeah :) ok no more settings needed now hten, ill reboot |
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| 22:01.20 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: do you have any guess on the ETA of (by default) secure LXC? =) |
| 22:01.27 | rawtaz | one year? two years? |
| 22:01.31 | rawtaz | hard to tell i guess |
| 22:02.18 | thewanderer1 | well, just a rough guess, but in about a year the user namespaces should be complete... |
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| 22:10.56 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: ok cool :) will be great i think. im think thin virtualization like this really has its place and is usable |
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| 22:11.45 | rawtaz | i* |
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| 22:22.25 | rawtaz | ah dang |
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| 22:24.44 | bolt | user namespaces? |
| 22:25.15 | rawtaz | bolt: some stuff in the kernel that will allow for better isolation for LXC |
| 22:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | Won't most VMs run a standard i86 kernel? |
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| 22:26.30 | fronix | How do i config ssh to listen to two ports? |
| 22:27.00 | fronix | ah nvm |
| 22:27.09 | JyZyXEL | yeah, its that easy |
| 22:27.19 | bolt | ah |
| 22:27.31 | rawtaz | hah |
| 22:27.33 | rawtaz | :) |
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| 22:46.52 | Flimzy | I'm having trouble with the ath5k driver with linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5 on an i386 system. When trying to load the ath5k driver, I get "ath5k: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -11" (full output at http://pastebin.com/r9XdMUSg) |
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| 22:48.37 | Gnudoll | Is there a good resource for getting DRI working on an X300 (M22) chipset? |
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| 22:48.52 | Gnudoll | I have fglrx installed already |
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| 22:52.57 | pickcoder | Gnudoll: does glxinfo tell you it's a recognized chipset? |
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| 22:54.48 | Gnudoll | nevermind. . . it started working. . . |
| 22:55.07 | Gnudoll | it was not working at last boot, but it is now. . . |
| 22:55.16 | Gnudoll | bah. . . |
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| 22:56.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gnudoll: proprietary driverz, they're causing madness |
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| 22:58.03 | Gnudoll | KaffeeJunky123: perhaps, but they are working now. . . |
| 22:58.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's why I said it's madness |
| 22:58.22 | Gnudoll | and I could not find a good FOSS one |
| 22:58.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | they'll work and then without any good reason |
| 22:58.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | they'll eat you alive |
| 22:58.47 | Gnudoll | they had better kiss me first. . . |
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| 22:59.13 | Gnudoll | OK, I'm out for a bit. . . |
| 22:59.22 | Gnudoll | gotta go test this driver. . . |
| 22:59.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | bye |
| 22:59.30 | pickcoder | *boom* |
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| 23:00.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | who needs a graphical system anyways? |
| 23:01.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | I mean a wm |
| 23:01.30 | pickcoder | or a keyboard for that matter... punch cards are awesome |
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| 23:06.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | pickcoder: a keyboard is mandatory... |
| 23:06.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | pickcoder: and some device to display a shell |
| 23:07.38 | amphi | toggle switches and blinkenlights are enough for anyone |
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| 23:07.58 | pickcoder | and warmth from vac tubes |
| 23:08.57 | dsockwell | so who's expected to use popcon? |
| 23:09.26 | dsockwell | i always leave it off because i never know what i want |
| 23:09.29 | pickcoder | everyone |
| 23:10.08 | pickcoder | you can always update your info after a while |
| 23:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | Paper tape and toggle switches! |
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| 23:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | 9" round CRT for output. |
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| 23:11.49 | dsockwell | put an inline printer on your modem |
| 23:11.53 | dsockwell | use your secretary as an IPS |
| 23:12.16 | jamesbrink | anyone here have expereince with remote logging with rsyslog? |
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| 23:16.04 | tharkun | !anyone |
| 23:16.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:16.14 | pickcoder | dsockwell: if no one regularly use an app then it should (and often will) be dropped from the repos and from maintenance. If you want to make sure your fav apps have the best chance of staying in the repos then participate |
| 23:17.10 | dsockwell | pickcoder: okay |
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| 23:33.14 | tharkun | FTR todays update of dbus also borks lxde config. Although it is faster to restore than XFCE |
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| 23:35.38 | jamesbrink | anyone now how to use rsyslog to log remote hosts to their own files rather than dump into syslog |
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| 23:39.36 | Flimzy | jamesbrink: That's pretty basic rsyslog operation... you just need to read up on the rsyslog config file |
| 23:39.51 | jamesbrink | do you have a link? |
| 23:39.56 | jamesbrink | im a bit lost on the site |
| 23:40.01 | jamesbrink | http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/host-name/ i found this |
| 23:40.10 | Flimzy | Yeah, their web site is confusing as heck to navigate |
| 23:40.13 | jamesbrink | but im obviously missing something here |
| 23:40.36 | jamesbrink | last time i did this i used syslog-ng but it seems more and more people are using rsyslog |
| 23:40.38 | Flimzy | which version of rsyslog are you using? |
| 23:40.50 | Flimzy | I like rsyslog... but I hate the rsyslog web site :) |
| 23:40.59 | jamesbrink | rsyslogd 3.18.6 |
| 23:41.16 | jamesbrink | yeah im feeling the same way right about now |
| 23:42.08 | jamesbrink | im logging from a windows host right now |
| 23:42.15 | jamesbrink | sing the event to syslog app |
| 23:42.22 | surfdue | Hey I need help unzipping a large file (4 gb) |
| 23:42.30 | jamesbrink | my main goal is to pickup events for monitoring purposes |
| 23:43.10 | surfdue | http://paste2.org/p/1203007 |
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| 23:43.25 | jamesbrink | im getting all the remote messages but they are not droping into their own file, they are going into /var/log/syslog |
| 23:43.46 | Flimzy | jamesbrink: I'm looking... not finding anything useful on their site jsut yet |
| 23:43.59 | jamesbrink | well thanks i really appreciate it |
| 23:44.06 | jamesbrink | im about to just install syslog-ng lol |
| 23:44.37 | Flimzy | Here... http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/property_replacer.html |
| 23:44.40 | Flimzy | I think that's what you want |
| 23:44.52 | Flimzy | I think you want to filter on fromhost or fromhost-ip |
| 23:45.13 | Flimzy | wait, that may not be right |
| 23:45.36 | Flimzy | No, I think it is... |
| 23:45.42 | Flimzy | I think you want something like this: |
| 23:45.55 | jamesbrink | i found this doc but the samples look the same http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_templates.html |
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| 23:47.06 | Flimzy | :fromhost-ip, equals, "192.168.1.100" /var/log/host1.log |
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| 23:47.24 | Flimzy | I think that page you linked to just describes how to set up a template... IOW, the format the log lines are written in |
| 23:47.29 | Flimzy | You need to set up a filter |
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| 23:47.38 | jamesbrink | oh wow |
| 23:47.44 | jamesbrink | you know my version is pretty dated |
| 23:47.56 | Flimzy | I'm not sure... they just like to use weird version numbers |
| 23:48.01 | Flimzy | I think we're still using rsyslog 2 in some places |
| 23:48.08 | Flimzy | maybe 3, I never remember :) |
| 23:48.20 | jamesbrink | ill try your exaple |
| 23:48.31 | Flimzy | my example is completely untested, mind you :) |
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| 23:50.12 | jamesbrink | wow Flimzy i could iss you |
| 23:50.19 | jamesbrink | kiss |
| 23:50.21 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 23:50.24 | jamesbrink | =) its working perfect |
| 23:50.28 | Flimzy | good deal |
| 23:50.43 | rawtaz | can someone verify that the files in /etc/sysctl.d are read *after* /etc/sysctl.conf, and thereby takes precedence over the latter? |
| 23:50.50 | jamesbrink | thanks so much |
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| 23:50.55 | Flimzy | no prob |
| 23:51.17 | Sloyment | Good evening |
| 23:51.24 | Flimzy | jamesbrink: That may continue to log everything to the master syslog.log as well... |
| 23:51.45 | Flimzy | jamesbrink: so you may want to also add this after the line I just gave you: :fromhost-ip, equals, "192.168.1.100" ~ |
| 23:51.48 | jamesbrink | yeah looks like it is |
| 23:51.55 | Flimzy | (you'd need to put both lines near the top of your config) |
| 23:52.05 | Flimzy | the ~ tells it to filter those lines out, so they aren't logged elsewhere |
| 23:53.25 | Sloyment | I've got a problem with my framegrabber card. I've started the bttv module, but there is no /dev/video0. When I try MAKEDEV, it complains about udev. I can't find anything on google. |
| 23:53.43 | jamesbrink | much better |
| 23:54.00 | jamesbrink | im going to have to dig that out of the docs at somepoint |
| 23:54.12 | jamesbrink | becuase that is nothing like what i was finding =) |
| 23:55.01 | Flimzy | hehe |
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| 23:55.37 | jamesbrink | but anyone thanks again |
| 23:55.40 | jamesbrink | i owe you =) |
| 23:55.42 | Flimzy | jamesbrink, This is the main page about filters http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html |
| 23:55.50 | Flimzy | I'll send a bill in the mail ;) |
| 23:56.54 | tharkun | Gentlemen i installed an aditional hdd on a workstation, how do i instruct grub-pc that it can also boot from that disk. If it were grub-legacy editing menu.lst would solve the isue. But well --- |
| 23:57.50 | streuner_ | upgdate-grub? :-) |
| 23:58.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: you can add custom entrys to grub2 with those scripts in /etc/grub.d/ or something like that, but update-grub should be capable of detecting your bootable hdd |
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| 23:59.09 | tharkun | streuner_, KaffeeJunky123: update-grub utterly failed |
| 23:59.27 | streuner_ | os-probe is helpful in case you are using strange OSs... |
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| 23:59.38 | tharkun | both hdd have debian on it |
| 23:59.41 | Sloyment | okay, I'll try it on #debian.de |
