| 00:00.16 | frikinz | but then if lenny fixed its openssl then.. remove ssh-vulnkey? |
| 00:00.25 | E-bola | hmm just purge all openssh apckages and ssh |
| 00:00.32 | E-bola | and i still got a /bin/ssh cant be right? |
| 00:00.51 | man_in_ltop | E-bola, can be right |
| 00:00.52 | themill | E-bola: it should be in /usr/bin |
| 00:01.03 | E-bola | its in /bin |
| 00:01.06 | man_in_ltop | wait, /bin/ssh? |
| 00:01.23 | E-bola | could this somehow be messed up by my dist upgrade (just upgraded to lenny from etch 60mins ago) |
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| 00:01.41 | E-bola | man_in_ltop: yes |
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| 00:02.35 | E-bola | ye just found all the ssh bins in /bin |
| 00:02.37 | E-bola | deleting them now |
| 00:02.40 | E-bola | must be leftovers |
| 00:03.20 | crazygir | yay nay? |
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| 00:03.27 | themill | they're not leftovers from any debian package (although if they have this vulnerability they originally came from a debian package....) |
| 00:03.30 | frikinz | you might also have old openssl lib in /lib then :)) |
| 00:03.30 | crazygir | is changing root's shell a bad idea? |
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| 00:03.51 | man_in_ltop | crazygir, changing it to /bin/false is a bad idea |
| 00:03.56 | crazygir | haha |
| 00:04.03 | man_in_ltop | crazygir, what are you thinking of changing it to? |
| 00:04.17 | E-bola | themill: i've never had anything but debian packages, so pretty sure they are leftovers |
| 00:04.17 | crazygir | well I ask because changing root's shell in BSD is not generally recommended |
| 00:04.28 | peterrooney | crazygir: this isn't solaris, either... |
| 00:04.31 | crazygir | causes problems when dropping to single user modde |
| 00:04.34 | crazygir | *sode |
| 00:04.37 | crazygir | gah |
| 00:04.38 | crazygir | *mode |
| 00:04.43 | crazygir | man_in_ltop: zsh |
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| 00:04.47 | unkmar | what is the proper method to disengage or disconnect USB devices? |
| 00:04.50 | themill | E-bola: perhaps someone copied ssh around so that they could use it if /usr wasn't mounted? |
| 00:04.50 | crazygir | /usr/bin/zsh |
| 00:04.55 | man_in_ltop | peterrooney, HOLY CRAP THIS ISN'T SOLARIS?!???! |
| 00:05.01 | dvs | unkmar: umount |
| 00:05.08 | unkmar | and don't tell me to simply unplug. /udev likes to hold on to things like scanners. |
| 00:05.10 | E-bola | themill: doubt it but anyway atleast now i know whats wrong |
| 00:05.14 | man_in_ltop | crazygir, depends if /usr is a mount point |
| 00:05.22 | E-bola | themill: it still generates bad keys, so i prolly need to cleanup some libs as well |
| 00:05.29 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have this url that has flash game on it is anyone capable of playing it? http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/Game.asp |
| 00:05.30 | man_in_ltop | crazygir, but typically, you should have root's shell in /bin or /sbin |
| 00:05.35 | crazygir | I believe so, and so woudl you drop to sh? |
| 00:05.37 | frikinz | E-bola: cruft might be good for you in fact :) |
| 00:05.52 | crazygir | (usr is a mount) |
| 00:06.13 | man_in_ltop | crazygir, do NOT give root a default shell that is under a mount point |
| 00:06.21 | crazygir | hahah |
| 00:06.25 | crazygir | ok, so a bad idea |
| 00:06.27 | man_in_ltop | it is a recipe for disaster |
| 00:06.41 | man_in_ltop | if you want zsh, cp it to /sbin or something |
| 00:06.47 | crazygir | so then my option would be to copy zsh and hope to remember when I update the package |
| 00:06.52 | man_in_ltop | even better, have a statically linked zsh in /sbin |
| 00:06.56 | frikinz | tharkun: yes using chrome only |
| 00:07.09 | peterrooney | man_in_ltop: there are some horror stories where I work about the day Ian changed root's shell years and years ago |
| 00:07.12 | tharkun | frikinz: 32 or 64 bits? |
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| 00:07.24 | peterrooney | man_in_ltop: on a sun box |
| 00:07.25 | man_in_ltop | peterrooney, who's ian? |
| 00:07.26 | babilen | crazygir: no zsh* in /bin? |
| 00:07.29 | man_in_ltop | ah |
| 00:07.43 | frikinz | tharkun: 32 |
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| 00:07.48 | man_in_ltop | also, solaris is fun |
| 00:07.54 | peterrooney | man_in_ltop: a previous sysadmin |
| 00:08.00 | crazygir | babilen: nope |
| 00:08.07 | tharkun | frikinz: thx It seems flash and 64 bits is a no go |
| 00:08.07 | crazygir | /usr/bin/zsh |
| 00:08.08 | man_in_ltop | especially at my uni where they use csh by default |
| 00:08.15 | babilen | ,file bin/zsh |
| 00:08.17 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 00:08.25 | frikinz | tharkun: not surprising |
| 00:08.28 | man_in_ltop | hehe |
| 00:08.34 | crazygir | babilen: don't believe me? |
| 00:08.47 | E-bola | frikinz: any idea of what other files i could delete? I just delled libssl0.9.8 and libssl 0.9.7 from /lib |
| 00:08.49 | babilen | ,file bin/zsh4 |
| 00:08.51 | man_in_ltop | crazygir, shells normally get a copy in /bin |
| 00:08.52 | judd | bin/zsh4 in lenny/i386: zsh: bin/zsh4 |
| 00:08.53 | peterrooney | starts twitching upon mention of csh |
| 00:09.19 | babilen | crazygir: I do believe you, but I wonder how you installed your zsh :) |
| 00:09.33 | crazygir | dpkg |
| 00:09.36 | tharkun | babilen: /bin/zsh is a softlink to /etc/alternatives/zsh |
| 00:09.40 | E-bola | hmm ya even after deleting the old libssl0.9.8 its still generating compromised keys |
| 00:09.42 | crazygir | zsh4 is there, that is true, I missed that |
| 00:09.51 | crazygir | tharkun: yep |
| 00:10.04 | man_in_ltop | oh that's fun |
| 00:10.07 | frikinz | E-bola: check with ldd /usr/bin/ssh-keygen |
| 00:10.22 | crazygir | babilen: and in /etc/alternatives is: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2010-12-16 00:33 zsh -> /bin/zsh4 |
| 00:10.25 | crazygir | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2010-12-16 00:33 zsh-usrbin -> /bin/zsh4 |
| 00:10.39 | themill | E-bola: check "type -a ssh-keygen" as well |
| 00:10.42 | thewanderer1 | what should I use for server virtualization on an amd64 Atom which has no Intel VT extensions? |
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| 00:11.09 | man_in_ltop | bah, zombie process |
| 00:11.22 | frikinz | time to hit the pillow. bye |
| 00:11.27 | babilen | crazygir: My point was that you should have a shell outside of /usr ... and I would have been surprised if that was not the case for zsh |
| 00:11.40 | tharkun | thewanderer1: out of the top of my mind it would be qemu or virtualbox |
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| 00:11.52 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: oh, so only the old players :D |
| 00:12.02 | thewanderer1 | qemu is... slooooooow |
| 00:12.02 | tharkun | but i haven't yet seeen an amd64 atom processor |
| 00:12.04 | man_in_ltop | hm |
| 00:12.10 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: Atom 330 :P |
| 00:12.14 | tharkun | tensorpudding: yes you are right ;P |
| 00:12.23 | jelly-home | ,info zsh-static |
| 00:12.25 | judd | Package zsh-static (shells, optional) in lenny/i386: A shell with lots of features (static link). Version: 4.3.6-6; Size: 752.0k; Installed: 1584k; Homepage: http://www.zsh.org/ |
| 00:12.30 | ohzie | Someone mentioned to me that Lenny had a mixed 64bit/32bit thing going on? I'm looking on debian.org but I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. |
| 00:12.32 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: and yes it's as slow as the i386 ones |
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| 00:12.55 | ohzie | If anyone can confirm this and possibly link me or give me a tip on what to even google, that'd be hardcore. =P |
| 00:12.56 | tharkun | thewanderer1: intel is supposed to have the virtualization flags but it does not support properly the graphical extenxionws |
| 00:13.12 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: er whaaat |
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| 00:14.04 | tharkun | thewanderer1: kvm is unable to support graphics on intel hw because it sucks |
| 00:14.18 | tharkun | (intel hw is the one that sucks) |
| 00:14.40 | spudpnds | Weird problem: server is doing like 35 inserts a second, innodb, but every now and then, one insert will stall for 2-3 minutes, looks like: ---TRANSACTION 0 47790109, ACTIVE 214 sec, process no 10092, OS thread id 1910806864 inserting, thread declared inside InnoDB 500 |
| 00:14.42 | man_in_ltop | this laptop has a core2duo in it. it has the hyperthreading flag enabled, but it doesn't actually support ht |
| 00:15.07 | spudpnds | Nothing really different about this insert, except that it's hella slow. |
| 00:15.12 | tharkun | spudpnds: #mysql would be a better place to ask |
| 00:15.13 | man_in_ltop | lol, mysql |
| 00:15.17 | spudpnds | Oh, heh. |
| 00:15.20 | spudpnds | SOrry guys. |
| 00:16.12 | tharkun | man_in_ltop: I've read a few discussions of hw that is cripled by intel no to support virtualization technologies |
| 00:17.02 | tharkun | All new hw i've authorized to buy has been amd 64 bits from desktop to servers |
| 00:17.02 | man_in_ltop | short answer: intel sucks |
| 00:17.06 | man_in_ltop | and always has |
| 00:17.06 | tharkun | yes |
| 00:17.33 | crazygir | judd: thank you! |
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| 00:18.13 | judd | crazygir: no worries |
| 00:18.20 | E-bola | themill: thanks those commands showed alot of stuff as well |
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| 00:18.31 | E-bola | man im starting to think i should reinstall this system, so much is messed up |
| 00:18.36 | E-bola | i wonder how that happened |
| 00:18.54 | man_in_ltop | hey, when did that happen? hald now refuses to start in schroots |
| 00:18.56 | man_in_ltop | awesome :) |
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| 00:21.06 | crazygir | interesting.. when running chsh as root, PAM auth always fails |
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| 00:21.52 | E-bola | Bingo, now i got news keys without complaining |
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| 00:22.26 | themill | \o/ |
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| 00:23.06 | E-bola | Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:2 |
| 00:23.12 | E-bola | now i can login, client just whines about new key |
| 00:23.22 | E-bola | but is know_hosts:2 line number 2 or 3? |
| 00:23.35 | E-bola | dunno if its counting keys or lines or starting from 0 or 1 |
| 00:23.50 | themill | from 1 |
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| 00:24.44 | themill | you can remove keys with "ssh-keygen -R" too which is quite handy for such situations |
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| 00:25.11 | E-bola | thanks :) |
| 00:25.18 | crazygir | oh fun, something is really goofed up here: debian-base % su -l Password: |
| 00:25.18 | crazygir | Cannot execute q: No such file or directory |
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| 00:26.24 | bassliner | E-bola: it is the actual line. numbering starts from 1. |
| 00:26.45 | bassliner | E-bola: you can remove a line from the file using: sed -i 2d .ssh/known_hosts |
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| 00:28.59 | bassliner | E-bola: sed -ie '2d' .ssh/known/hosts |
| 00:29.03 | bassliner | E-bola: to be exact :) |
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| 00:38.39 | tharkun | Gentlemen speaking of keys is it possible to change pass phrase to an rsa key? |
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| 00:39.54 | tharkun | rtfm and found it thx |
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| 00:44.46 | crazygir | su allows for -s to specify the shell, does this work as advertised on others' systems? |
| 00:45.21 | crazygir | debian-base % su -l -s /bin/sh |
| 00:45.21 | crazygir | Password: |
| 00:45.21 | crazygir | Cannot execute q: No such file or directory |
| 00:45.52 | nevyn | crazygir: chekc you don't have a wierd alias or something |
| 00:46.01 | crazygir | (q is in /etc/passwd) |
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| 00:46.22 | crazygir | nope |
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| 00:48.24 | crazygir | nevyn: even using -p and exporting $SHELL doens't work |
| 00:48.38 | crazygir | it always goes to the goofed entry in /etc/passwd |
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| 00:51.34 | nevyn | do you have sudo installed? |
| 00:52.18 | man_in_ltop | crazygir, checked your local man sh? |
| 00:52.20 | man_in_ltop | *man su |
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| 00:56.46 | crazygir | man_in_ltop: yes, that is where I'm getting this from |
| 00:56.58 | crazygir | is there somehting blatantly obvious that I'm missing |
| 00:57.06 | crazygir | nevyn: nope |
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| 01:32.04 | Mad7Scientst | Hey how hard is it to get a text based system running with debian and wifi support |
| 01:32.22 | zinx | not hard, i'd imagine |
| 01:32.22 | dvs | Mad7Scientst: not hard |
| 01:32.28 | zinx | especially if you use wicd or something |
| 01:32.39 | amphi | not hard at all, unless your wifi card is unsupported |
| 01:32.45 | zinx | well, that's true |
| 01:32.57 | zinx | wicd-cli - wired and wireless network manager - scriptable cli client |
| 01:32.57 | zinx | wicd-curses - wired and wireless network manager - Curses client |
| 01:33.48 | amphi | wicd works well |
| 01:34.14 | dvs | card drops out from time to time. |
| 01:35.12 | amphi | mine only does when the stupid hw rfkill switch bites me |
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| 01:40.25 | amphi | babilen |
| 01:42.15 | babilen | amphi: yes? |
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| 01:42.31 | amphi | just pokinmg your thinklight ;) |
| 01:44.20 | Mad7Scientst | amphi, isn't the wifi switch just something that tells the software to turn the radio off? |
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| 01:44.38 | amphi | Mad7Scientst: doesn't seemt to be here |
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| 01:45.25 | babilen | amphi: hehe :) |
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| 01:48.40 | spersaud | whats the channel for linuxmint-debian ? |
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| 01:49.56 | cesurasean | apt-get install firmware-nonfree, or apt-get install firmware-nonfree-linux does not seem to work. What is the correct name of this package? |
| 01:50.15 | spersaud | how do you get smoother fonts in debian ? |
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| 01:50.38 | froggyman | cesurasean, what firmware are you trying to install? |
| 01:51.27 | froggyman | spersaud, if you go to "System -> Preferences ->Appearance" You can change the fonts in there |
| 01:51.50 | dvs | cesurasean: linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 01:52.28 | babilen | !mint |
| 01:52.29 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 01:53.14 | cesurasean | dvs, E: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 01:53.46 | amphi | firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:54.10 | amphi | on squeeze |
| 01:54.29 | cesurasean | amphi, thx |
| 01:54.40 | amphi | obviously, non-free must be enabled in your sources.list ;) |
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| 01:55.28 | spersaud | froggyman: in xfce4 ? |
| 01:55.53 | froggyman | spersaud, oh. I don't think so. That was for Gnome |
| 01:56.11 | froggyman | apologizes for his misinformation |
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| 01:57.06 | Mad7Scientst | what's the URL of debian 3.1? |
| 01:57.11 | Mad7Scientst | the base URL |
| 01:58.22 | Mad7Scientst | I have |
| 01:58.49 | Mad7Scientst | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian woody main contrib non-free |
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| 02:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | I thought everybody who had run Woody was dead by now. |
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| 02:02.49 | dvs | *gulp* |
| 02:03.57 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 02:04.36 | jhutchins_lt | is actually a fossil who's first computer had a 2(?) story building dedicated to it. |
| 02:05.36 | jhutchins_lt | Mad7Scientst: The stunning silence seems to be saying that you are the lead on this one, come back and tell us how it works. |
| 02:05.36 | froggyman | wow! That would be a lot of iPods! |
| 02:08.26 | N2Deep_ | on Lenny, after executing: echo noop > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler will noop be the scheduler after a reboot? |
| 02:08.33 | Dewi | fact: James Madison used debian woody to spell-check the United States constitution |
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| 02:10.11 | jhutchins_lt | Dewi: Yes, it ran on a water-powered Babbage differential engine. |
| 02:11.01 | jhutchins_lt | Dewi: It was loaded on Jaquard punchcards. |
| 02:11.36 | Dewi | jhutchins_lt: nobody listened to Benjamin Franklin when he insisted that electric power, not water power, was the future |
| 02:12.01 | dvs | that's shocking! |
| 02:12.09 | jhutchins_lt | Dewi: I believe they were still having trouble with power spikes. |
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| 02:14.14 | jimmybgood | N2Deep_: no, add that command to /etc/rc.local |
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| 02:36.21 | jonrafkind | what sort of filename should I generate with dpkg-deb? <name>-<version>.deb ? |
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| 02:44.56 | jonrafkind | oh <name>-<version>_i386.deb |
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| 02:50.34 | babilen | !mentors |
| 02:50.34 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 03:10.27 | Gryllida | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/953363 - does this happen for you? is that proper syntax? |
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| 03:17.25 | jordanm | Gryllida: looks like rhel openvz kernel |
| 03:18.11 | jordanm | Gryllida: nothing is gained from only accept rules |
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| 03:22.30 | Gryllida | jordanm: lol. I know.. I'm wondering what to do with the two which didn't get added though |
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| 03:24.59 | docgnome | any ideas why xscreensaver isn't seeing a screensaver i installed? |
| 03:25.54 | docgnome | it's in /usr/lib/xscreensaver/ |
| 03:26.31 | docgnome | and it runs when i execute it |
| 03:27.10 | amphi | docgnome: perhaps you must add it to a list somewhere |
| 03:27.29 | amphi | ISTR a text file list - it's long since I used it |
| 03:27.55 | docgnome | hrm... any idea what it might be called? |
| 03:28.07 | amphi | no |
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| 03:28.18 | Malf | Some time ago I set up DSL on a pen drive so I could throw up linux on various machines as needed without needing a boot from USB option. I know it's somewhat off topic but I'm wondering if there's a better option to go with these days. |
| 03:28.24 | amphi | dpkg -L package_name will list files installed by a package |
| 03:28.24 | dpkg | No packages found matching package_name will list files installed by a package |
| 03:28.50 | amphi | arrggh |
| 03:29.01 | docgnome | thanks |
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| 03:35.44 | karlpinc | Malf: You could pxeboot the debian installer, or debian-live. (What other sort of advice do you expect here?;) |
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| 03:36.14 | Malf | exactly what I got from you I think |
| 03:36.19 | Malf | the right keywords to get myself on the right track |
| 03:36.32 | karlpinc | !pxe |
| 03:36.32 | dpkg | [pxe] Pre-boot eXecution Environment is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <gpxe>. |
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| 03:38.23 | karlpinc | Malf: But I don't understand. If you've got linux on a pen drive, does that not mean booting from usb? Do I not know what a pen drive is? |
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| 03:38.49 | Malf | I just remember DSL on the pen drive booting up the USB while already inside another OS |
| 03:38.56 | Malf | I think via qemu or something |
| 03:39.15 | Malf | basically I don't want to have to reboot a machine, reset the BIOS to allow boot from USB |
| 03:39.18 | Malf | and start it that way |
| 03:39.20 | Malf | that's all |
| 03:39.50 | karlpinc | Malf: I once heard there was a way to run Linux as a MS Windows screensaver.... If you want that sort of thing use something like virtualbox, a vm, and put debian/whatever on it. (Virtualbox is in debian.) |
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| 03:40.22 | Malf | yeah I suppose I could get a VM and go that way |
| 03:40.32 | karlpinc | Malf: You don't want to install, right? |
| 03:40.36 | Malf | correct |
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| 03:41.26 | karlpinc | has often thought that debian-live should put out a virtualbox image. I've no clue how feasible it is to make that work. |
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| 03:43.00 | karlpinc | Malf: The nice thing about pxeboot is that it's often enabled by default in the bios. Ever since live linux CDs came out the bioses have defaulted to hard drive, although when cds first arrived they defaulted to booting off cd. Gee, I wonder what happened. |
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| 03:44.55 | Arrowmaster | i doubt thats the reason they default to booting from harddisk over cd, if any actually do |
| 03:45.53 | Arrowmaster | would probably only be OEM machines that come with restore partitions instead of CDs, any other situation would be extremely silly as a default |
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| 03:47.43 | Gryllida | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/953363 - does this happen for you? is that proper syntax? (yes, i'm going to add drop rule later, I'm wondering what to do with the two which didn't get added though) |
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| 03:49.07 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: I can explain on #debian-offtopic if you like. |
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| 03:50.04 | Arrowmaster | Gryllida: is that using a custom kernel? |
| 03:50.29 | karlpinc | Gryllida: (I prefer something on top of iptables, like ferm or shorewall.) |
| 03:50.56 | un214 | be careful, never add the default drop rule over ssh until you know your accept rules work |
| 03:51.27 | Gryllida | Arrowmaster: no |
| 03:51.38 | Gryllida | karlpinc: I know how to use them, so I'm trying |
| 03:51.49 | Arrowmaster | looks like one, is it a debian system? |
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| 03:52.34 | Gryllida | yes, it's a Debian option, it's a VPS |
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| 03:52.58 | Arrowmaster | ah custom kernel from VPS provider then |
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| 03:56.35 | karlpinc | Gryllida: Me too, but I find it annoying to work with. |
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| 04:06.29 | vy_ | Hi! Can anybody recommend a F/OSS .PPT viewer? |
| 04:07.36 | un214 | strings |
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| 04:08.41 | boudiccas | vy, OOo |
| 04:08.53 | vy | boudiccas: Except OOo. |
| 04:09.20 | boudiccas | vy, ah, you didnt stipulate that at first |
| 04:09.38 | vy | un214: You should give "cat" a try. |
| 04:09.57 | amphi | or xxd perhaps |
| 04:10.11 | un214 | vy: I don't like nonprintable symbols on my terminal |
| 04:10.44 | amphi | xxd will not permit such an abomination |
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| 04:39.33 | Ogmios | trying to install via latests lenny install cd, how do I add boot options? |
| 04:39.47 | Ogmios | s/latests/latest |
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| 04:55.42 | LoneShadow | Hi, whats the best way to upgrade debian lenny to Squeeze (testing) without internet connection ? Using the Squeeze CD as the source for apt? |
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| 04:56.17 | iluminator101 | hey i got this error http://debian.pastebin.com/5PxHnW55 thanks in advance |
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| 05:04.16 | cantido | How does the shell decide if a "executable" should be ran with an interpreter or that it's a real binary? |
| 05:05.24 | jmarsden | cantido: It looks for the #!/path/to/interpeter stuff at the start of the file, I think. |
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| 05:06.00 | cantido | jmarsden: yeah, I was wondering how it decides it should look there.. is the first byte magic or something.. |
| 05:06.10 | cantido | pondered this in the shower a moment ago |
| 05:06.37 | jmarsden | cantido: first two bytes #! are consider a "shebang" which is treated specially, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29 |
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| 05:07.32 | jmarsden | (note, I'd suggest not reading wikipedia in the shower, though... unless you have a waterproof PC) |
| 05:07.45 | cantido | I get that.. that decides which interpreter to use. But how does the shell decide to look there.. is it just if it doesn't find the ELF magic or whatever it tries to run it as a script? |
| 05:07.49 | ubajas | Are there any advantages to 64-bit Debian (or whatever OS) beyond memory allocation? |
| 05:08.00 | cantido | ubajas: on AMD64? |
| 05:08.05 | ubajas | yeah |
| 05:08.33 | cantido | ubajas: I hate to say the magic word.. but "performance" is better for some* applications |
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| 05:09.00 | ubajas | Ok. |
| 05:09.10 | cantido | from a technical standpoint, amd64 has more registers than i386 and has lots of weird shit taken out.. whether take makes a difference to you or not though.. |
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| 05:10.01 | cantido | There aren't any disadvantages anymore atleast. Drivers seem pretty much there, stuff like flash works |
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| 05:10.40 | cantido | s/take/that/ |
| 05:11.18 | ubajas | I'd probably still stick with 32-bit for a computer with 4GB max, for paranoia's sake, but I guess 64-bit is pretty much working now, as you say. |
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| 05:12.05 | cantido | ubajas: 4GB is the complete address space in i386 though, so that includes the space allocated for PCI etc |
| 05:12.21 | ubajas | ja, and video mem |
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| 05:12.40 | cantido | so if you do have 4GB of ram running AMD64 might help.. that's if your CPU/chipset can actually address more that 4GB externally |
| 05:13.26 | Dewi | ubajas: the advantages other than memory size are fairly insignificant |
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| 05:13.50 | Dewi | ubajas: but as has been said, the disadvantages are getting very trivial now too |
| 05:14.07 | cantido | AMD64 has a wider FPU too IIRC |
| 05:14.56 | jmarsden | cantido: man execve says only " filename must be either a binary executable, or a script starting with a line of the form: #! interpreter [optional-arg]" -- it does not say how it checks that a file is "a binary executable"... |
| 05:15.32 | ubajas | That's pretty much the impression I had. |
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| 05:16.12 | cantido | jmarsden: mmm according to the ELF stuff on wikipedia.. the first 4 bytes are magic. I guess they aren't all inside the ASCII range, so the shell checks the magic against the executable formats supported and then tries to run it as a script |
| 05:16.25 | kenifanying | hi, i install the squeeze just now, then, install xserver-xorg-video-radeon but no xorg.conf in /etc/X11. what should i do? |
| 05:16.26 | cantido | jmarsden: bash will run scripts without the shebang too |
| 05:16.46 | cantido | kenifanying: you dont need xorg.conf most of the time |
| 05:17.10 | jmarsden | cantido: Yes, I think somewhere there is a list of binary formats the kernel knows about, including elf and a.out usually on Linux, but I can't find documentation to back up that very vague memory of mine :) |
| 05:18.23 | kenifanying | cantido, but my ati graphic card seems doesn't work. sorry for my english |
| 05:18.37 | cantido | mmm I might have to check my "modern operating systems".. maybe that has something |
| 05:18.59 | cantido | kenifanying: ok, can you define "doesn't work". Does X just refuse to start? |
| 05:19.00 | jmarsden | cantido: Found info at http://book.opensourceproject.org.cn/kernel/kernel3rd/opensource/0596005652/understandlk-chp-20-sect-2.html |
| 05:19.33 | AnthLee | kenifanying, use sgfxi to install the drivers |
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| 05:20.00 | jmarsden | cantido: This leads to trying ls /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/ which shows several formats ... |
| 05:20.02 | cantido | jmarsden: ah, so its a kernel thing not a shell thing? |
| 05:20.15 | cantido | jmarsden: When the kernel determines that the executable file has a custom format, it starts the proper interpreter program . |
| 05:20.35 | jmarsden | Right, because there are several binary formats on a machine, each shell doesn't want to know about them, that would be non-portable. The kernel does need to know. |
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| 05:22.06 | jmarsden | execve(2) is not a function within the shell, it is a unix syscall. |
| 05:22.18 | cantido | jmarsden: the shell could pass the check for a binary off the kernel and then decide what to do if that fails |
| 05:22.30 | cantido | jmarsden: but it makes sense that it's a kernel thing |
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| 05:22.51 | gbear14275 | Can I get wireless support with the net install iso? I'm trying to install on old hardware and the only networking connections I have are a modem and a wireless pcmcia card |
| 05:22.55 | jmarsden | cantido: Are you trying to add suport for a new binary executable file format? |
| 05:22.56 | gbear14275 | any advice? |
| 05:23.13 | cantido | jmarsden: nah, I was writing a script and I think "mmm I wonder how that actually works |
| 05:23.22 | jmarsden | cantido: Ah, OK :) |
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| 05:23.37 | cantido | It's nice to know how stuff acutally works sometimes |
| 05:23.45 | jmarsden | Agreed. |
| 05:23.49 | cantido | s/acutally/actually/ |
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| 05:23.56 | kenifanying | cantido,sorry, could you help me find some link about configure ati graphic card? my english is not so good. and it's inconvenient use lynx or w3m because i install squeeze without gnome |
| 05:23.56 | gbear14275 | I'm thinking debian over lubuntu, but am open to other suggestions... was hoping for something a little more complete than puppy, but all this machine has is 256mb of pc66 and 300Mhz |
| 05:24.20 | cantido | gbear14275: debian will run fine on that |
| 05:24.41 | cantido | gbear14275: it doesnt force you to install much above the kernel and system utils.. |
| 05:25.04 | cantido | kenifanying: < AnthLee> kenifanying, use sgfxi to install the drivers |
| 05:25.15 | gbear14275 | cantido: what about a desktop environment... this isn't for a me but for a friend who only has this computer and not any money to replace it... so trying to help them out with what they have |
| 05:25.17 | cantido | kenifanying: I'm not sure if thats right though. I'm not an ATI user |
| 05:25.37 | cantido | gbear14275: all the normal environments are there |
| 05:25.48 | gbear14275 | cantido: gnome too much for that hardware? |
| 05:25.50 | kenifanying | ok, what's sgfxi? how to use it? aptitude install sgfxi? |
| 05:25.55 | AnthLee | sgfxi downloads the binary drivers from the ATI website and goes bash happy configuring Xorg its the easiest solution |
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| 05:26.21 | cantido | gbear14275: I think the problem with gnome/kde is ram more than processor |
| 05:26.35 | cantido | gbear14275: if you disable all the effects both should work well enough |
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| 05:27.02 | nevyn | wants more ram. |
| 05:27.06 | cantido | gbear14275: there are light environments too.. but they are far from user friendly IMHO |
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| 05:27.49 | cantido | wants hardware VT |
| 05:27.51 | gbear14275 | cantido: fair enough |
| 05:27.57 | cantido | s/VT/VM/ |
| 05:28.34 | cantido | if he needs a browser install chromium.. firefox (iceweasel in debian) is painful on slower machines |
| 05:28.43 | gbear14275 | cantido: what install method would you recommend? |
| 05:28.45 | cantido | it's painful on this 1.6Ghz atom |
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| 05:29.37 | cantido | gbear14275: get the first CD just to be safe. netinst works when it works.. if you get the first CD though you will have enough to install and get enough running to fix any hardware issues |
| 05:29.53 | gbear14275 | thanks will do cantido |
| 05:30.06 | cantido | don't get all the CD's though.. |
| 05:30.31 | cantido | there are KDE and GNOME versions of CD1 to IIRC.. so get the one that has the DE you want |
| 05:31.46 | cantido | s/to/too/ |
| 05:32.36 | jmarsden | nevyn: If you have a desktop machine, 4GB of DDR3 is down around $40 now... that's what, one meal out with a friend you skip, and you can buy an extra 4GB... :) |
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| 05:35.31 | nevyn | jmarsden: the problem is 8gig dims are still too expensive. |
| 05:35.44 | nevyn | has systems with 128gig of ram. still want more. |
| 05:36.09 | jmarsden | nevyn: Ah... your upgrade budget is a little larger than mine :) |
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| 05:36.38 | nevyn | jmarsden: well they're work's systems I just run them |
| 05:36.47 | cantido | processes are still only 4GB in linux aren't they? |
| 05:36.54 | nevyn | my own systems only have 4gig but I'm not doing uber virtualisation |
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| 05:36.58 | nevyn | cantido: only on 32bit linux |
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| 05:37.11 | nevyn | cantido: on x86_64 sky's the limit |
| 05:37.20 | nevyn | well 4 EXA or something. |
| 05:37.28 | cantido | I thought the processes address space was still 4GB |
| 05:37.40 | cantido | process' |
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| 05:38.04 | nevyn | it's like 2TB |
| 05:38.09 | nevyn | not 4 EB |
| 05:42.23 | cantido | nevyn: 64-bit Linux allows up to 128 TB of address space for individual processes, -- from Wikipedia, not sure thats default |
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| 05:47.58 | peloverde | I'm having trouble mounting a Lexar usb stick automatically in squeeze (gnome tells me mount failed) but it works fine manually |
| 05:53.17 | homie | do you have usb-utils installed ? |
| 05:53.55 | homie | and libpam-usb ? |
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| 05:54.29 | homie | and maybe pmount ? |
| 05:54.33 | peloverde | I actually I just figured it out, debian-installer decided my usb drive was a cdrom :( |
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| 05:55.22 | peloverde | removing it from fstab fixed the problem |
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| 05:55.39 | homie | ah ok |
| 05:55.53 | peloverde | thanks though |
| 05:55.58 | homie | np, yw |
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| 08:33.58 | passwordoff | how to allow root login in gdm? |
| 08:35.24 | Gryllida | What do I do for an entry like ' linux-headers-2.6.35-22-generic - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.35 on x86/x86_64 ' to appear in apt-cache search results? |
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| 08:40.22 | passwordoff | .me |
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| 08:41.49 | brugidou | passwordoff: hmm why would you wanna be root from gdm |
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| 08:43.30 | passwordoff | resize fs partition. No holywar please. I need to run gparted under root, non sudo |
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| 08:44.14 | jetscreamer | why don't you ctrl alt f1 out and stop gdm |
| 08:44.49 | jetscreamer | the bot has a factoid iirc |
| 08:45.12 | brugidou | then do su |
| 08:45.15 | jelly | passwordoff: use a livecd instead. |
| 08:45.33 | Arrowmaster | gparted runs fine under sudo, theres no reason to login to X as root to use it |
| 08:45.39 | jetscreamer | oh gparted |
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| 08:45.52 | jelly | passwordoff: alternatively, just set up proper variables to make X apps running (use sux or gksudo) |
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| 08:46.35 | passwordoff | Arrowmaster: I can't unmount my home partition while I'm under user, my not bright friend |
| 08:46.53 | Arrowmaster | for that you should be using a livecd |
| 08:47.11 | Arrowmaster | never mess with the partitions of a running system |
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| 08:47.44 | passwordoff | ok. It is a good idea. I will try |
| 08:48.11 | jelly | gparted has a livecd of its own; parted magic is similar. |
| 08:48.29 | passwordoff | parted is not easy :) |
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| 08:49.12 | passwordoff | Need a hight level skill |
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| 08:52.22 | brugidou | [swift]: i don't think you can splat an argument if it's not the last one |
| 08:52.31 | brugidou | sorry wront window |
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| 08:59.00 | passwordoff | Sometimes after flashstorage plugin USB ports have switched off. Even dmesg | tail shows no reaction, and usb-mouse doesn't work. Why it could be and how to fix it? PS: reboot doesn't help. |
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| 09:08.57 | poelzi | someone interested in uploading and helping to maintain my latest project ulatencyd |
| 09:09.15 | poelzi | it is already finished |
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| 09:09.25 | AnthLee | what is it? |
| 09:10.14 | poelzi | AnthLee: it is a scriptable system optimizer for linux kernels |
| 09:11.09 | poelzi | it constantly optimizes the system for best user experience and tries to prevent thinks like swap of death |
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| 09:11.42 | AnthLee | sounds interesting |
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| 09:13.43 | AnthLee | poelzi, perhaps you should upload it to the kernel mailing list |
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| 09:16.11 | poelzi | AnthLee: i already announced it once, but not a release which i just published. do you mean the debian kernel list ? |
| 09:16.31 | AnthLee | no the kernel.org mailing list |
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| 09:36.21 | man_in_ltop | anyone know of software that can reduce the quality of images in pdfs? |
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| 09:41.10 | niklaswe | does someone know how i can see where an afs volume has live ? |
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| 09:44.34 | zaarg | okay, tihs has been bugging me. in squeeze, how is one supposed to restart networking? |
| 09:44.46 | zaarg | /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated apparently |
| 09:44.57 | zaarg | as is service networking restart |
| 09:46.22 | zaarg | as is invoke-rc.d networking restart |
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| 09:48.33 | simonrvn | do it that way and ignore it for now |
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| 09:52.20 | themill | man_in_ltop: ps2pdf can do that for you. |
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| 09:54.16 | simonrvn | is there any other php library other than adodb that does rdbms abstraction? |
| 09:54.29 | simonrvn | nm, i'll ask in the right channel |
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| 09:56.18 | adv_ | i'm using squeeze, and lm-sensors cannot detect any sensors. i5 here, how can i fix this? |
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| 10:01.46 | Bop | adv_, have u runned sensors-detect ? |
| 10:01.58 | Seb | I have a usb device that I can only access as root; knowing it's ID, how can I find out what files/dirs in /sys/bus/usb it's under ? |
| 10:02.38 | adv_ | Bop, yes sensors-detect is the one that reports no sensors found |
| 10:02.51 | Bop | adv_, i guess u'r out of luck then :s |
| 10:03.04 | adv_ | but this isnt logical |
| 10:03.16 | Bop | why not |
| 10:03.16 | adv_ | Bop, isnt there a fix? what might be the problem? |
| 10:03.27 | adv_ | because there are sensors on i5 duh :P |
| 10:03.46 | Bop | the problem is that u have some MoBo chipset that isnt supported by default lm-sensors |
| 10:03.55 | Bop | sure they have sensors |
| 10:04.12 | Bop | the problem is lm-sensors to understand it and display it |
| 10:04.20 | Bop | still , search some foruns |
| 10:04.28 | Bop | about your chipset |
| 10:04.42 | Bop | try to report at lm-sensors somehow |
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| 10:06.14 | adv_ | intel is the most mopular chipset |
| 10:06.22 | Bop | yep |
| 10:06.28 | adv_ | so? :/ |
| 10:06.41 | Bop | search on them page |
| 10:06.43 | adv_ | it seems rather unlikely to not be supported, this is a dell laptop |
| 10:06.49 | Bop | maybe report at forum |
| 10:06.52 | adv_ | how do i find the chipset? |
| 10:07.02 | Bop | dunno |
| 10:07.12 | Bop | use dmi-decode to show board model |
| 10:07.22 | Bop | dmidecode * |
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| 10:10.10 | adv_ | wtf...i5/i7 don't have thermal sensors |
| 10:10.13 | adv_ | wtf intel |
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| 10:12.52 | zorg1 | wissem where have you seen that apt-get is the recommended tool I though it was aptitude |
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| 10:20.09 | Arrowmaster | zorg1: afaik apt-get is only recommended for lenny->squeeze upgrade, all other situations aptitude is recommended |
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| 10:28.02 | stefuNz | hi. i want my server 192.168.0.55 to be resolved as "3dserver" inside the LAN... how can i achieve that? any howtos? |
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| 10:30.08 | simonrvn | /etc/hosts or DNS |
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| 10:32.34 | poggle | should i go with a passphrase key or a keyfile key when encrypting everything on disk? |
| 10:32.37 | stefuNz | simonrvn: 192.168.0.55 3dserver ... << this doesn't do the trick |
| 10:32.48 | stefuNz | simonrvn: in the /etc/hosts file |
| 10:33.47 | bzrk_ | stefuNz: you have to put it in the hostsfile of every host on the lan |
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| 10:34.19 | stefuNz | bzrk_: OK then i'll guess i need a DNS server ... do you know any howto's on this simple LAN-DNS issue? |
| 10:34.28 | Makuew | Can you use hot plug discs on a non hot plug supporting server? |
| 10:35.58 | bzrk_ | stefuNz: i suggest googleing howto dnsmasq or howto bind named |
| 10:36.16 | simonrvn | Makuew: no |
| 10:36.18 | stefuNz | thank you, i'll try that |
| 10:36.18 | bzrk_ | youll find tons of howtos and then you can select one that you like |
| 10:36.22 | bzrk_ | gl |
| 10:36.24 | stefuNz | :) |
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| 10:39.17 | Makuew | simonrvn: Does hp midline mean anything special or does the disk work with any hp server that supports 3.5 serial ata 300 ? |
| 10:40.29 | simonrvn | i don't know. read their docs. |
| 10:40.53 | johntramp | last night i had what seemed like a great idea for an alarm clock, and ran: $ (while true ; do mplayer `ls -b | sort -R | head -n 1` ; done) | at 7:30am |
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| 10:41.31 | Gryllida | someone pastebin your sources.list please, Debian Lenny |
| 10:41.31 | johntramp | which worked great, except now I can't stop it playing music. whenever i kill mplayer it spawns anew and plays another track, and restarting atd did nothing |
| 10:41.43 | petemc | johntramp: kill the parent shell |
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| 10:42.07 | johntramp | petemc: i can't find what that is |
| 10:42.16 | petemc | pstree -up |
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| 10:43.38 | johntramp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.41 | johntramp | mplayer(4928,john) |
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| 10:44.09 | johntramp | that is all i can get from it |
| 10:44.16 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.45 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 10:44.46 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:45.47 | simonrvn | Gryllida: ^^ |
| 10:45.49 | Heebie | Dell hardware comes with Broadcom NIC's, which do not have an FOSS driver, so the newer versions of Debian will not work with them and you have to manually cob the drivers into the kernel. Does anyone know of a workaround for this? (We tend to use Dell hardware, and we get some customers asking for Debian.) |
| 10:46.00 | johntramp | petemc: ah, got it. thank you |
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| 10:46.21 | petemc | np |
| 10:47.13 | Gryllida | !mirrors |
| 10:47.13 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 10:50.53 | ansgar | Heebie: I'm sure you can ask Dell to sell you hardware that works with the vanilla Linux kernel as well. |
| 10:51.42 | Heebie | ansgar: Only with add-on cards. All their motherboards have Broadcom NIC's built-in. |
| 10:52.19 | daemonkeeper | No ansgar |
| 10:52.28 | daemonkeeper | Heebie: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 10:54.34 | Heebie | Is Squeeze the latest version? |
| 10:54.39 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 10:54.55 | Heebie | Very sweet! Thank you very much Daemonkeeper! |
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| 11:02.17 | ma3x | hi what will happen if you dd if=/dev/sda1 of=backup and later you recreate the partition with larger size and dd if=file of=/dev/sda1 ? will there be remaining free space? |
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| 11:02.25 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:02.35 | AnthLee | morning |
| 11:02.43 | AlexC_ | with the Debian Installer 6.0 RC1 being released, does this also sort of mark that Debian 6.0 is at RC1 stage? |
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| 11:03.19 | AnthLee | AlexC_, Squeeze is very stable right now |
| 11:03.40 | AnthLee | its about three times more stable than most Ubuntu releases so I would not worry about using it :) |
| 11:04.21 | AlexC_ | AnthLee: for production servers I'd much rather wait until official released, was just wondering how close we actually are |
| 11:04.42 | AnthLee | AlexC_, a look at the release critical bugs shows only a handful so we are close |
| 11:05.13 | AnthLee | AlexC_, I would be surprised if it takes more than 30 days |
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| 11:05.56 | AlexC_ | ok, thanks |
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| 11:10.00 | AlexC_ | if I have 2 similar rack servers, each with hot pluggable drives - what happens if (when powered off of course), I pull the hard drives out and swapped which physical server they were in? Will Debian need to reconfigure anything or should it "just work"? |
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| 11:11.10 | babilen | AlexC_: It should work, but what is the point of doing that if they are *similar* ? |
| 11:11.13 | bint | AlexC_ imo it should work, but im not sure |
| 11:11.42 | AlexC_ | babilen: because I need to shift around which servers were using, and 1 of them is starting to develop hardware issues |
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| 11:11.57 | niklasfi | hi. i have installed an mta and a web server on my machine in the debian install assistant. is there any way to get rid of them without reinstalling the system? i have figured, that they take too much ram |
| 11:12.16 | AlexC_ | niklasfi: uninstall the packages |
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| 11:12.58 | niklasfi | AlexC_: is there a list which packages were included in that install? |
| 11:12.59 | babilen | AlexC_: Ok, issues you *will* run into are settings that are related to specific hardware. Your NICs interface names are coupled to their MAC address, so the interface name will change if you swap drives. (Or just NICs) |
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| 11:13.03 | babilen | !70 |
| 11:13.04 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 11:13.23 | babilen | AlexC_: ^^^^^ make sure you get the mapping right first, or just delete that file |
| 11:14.03 | babilen | AlexC_: There might also be other issues, but that is the only thing that pops into my mind right now. (Note that I had only one coffee yet) |
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| 11:15.34 | babilen | niklasfi: You can list the packages that were installed with "tasksel" -- Run "tasksel --list-tasks" to get a list of task names and "tasksel --task-packages TASK_NAME" to get the packages that belong to each task. |
| 11:15.38 | babilen | Uninstall as needed |
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| 11:22.44 | AlexC_ | babilen: ok, thanks |
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| 11:35.39 | man_in_ltop | hugs wget |
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| 11:39.45 | durman4eg | hi2all |
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| 12:02.35 | alsd | hi there |
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| 12:04.55 | alsd | im having trouble with a ruby on rails app (redmine to name it), which requires a ruby gem 'ruby-openid' version > 2.0.0. so i did 'gem install ruby-openid' which installed version 2.1.8. now i get an error saying "RubyGem version error: ruby-openid(2.1.8 not ~> 2.0.0) (Gem::LoadError)" which seems a bit surreal. any clue where I went wrong? |
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| 12:07.22 | babilen | ,versions redmine |
| 12:07.23 | judd | Package redmine on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.9.4-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.5-1 |
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| 12:20.26 | Gryllida | Hmm I did 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686' but 'uname -a' still contains an outdated version, what am I doing wrong here? I even rebooted, uname -a still shows the older version |
| 12:21.22 | petemc | Gryllida: is your bootloader configured to load that kernel ? |
| 12:21.40 | Gryllida | How do I find that out? |
| 12:21.53 | Gryllida | it's a VPS, cli access, I don't see grub |
| 12:22.24 | themill | Gryllida: what sort of vps is this? do you actually get to control what kernel is being run? |
| 12:23.22 | raz0 | Gryllida: Only certain VPS's allow you to change the kernel |
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| 12:23.25 | raz0 | Some won't at all |
| 12:23.32 | raz0 | Some you'll need e.g. Pygrub |
| 12:23.48 | Gryllida | I don't know, it just shipped an older kernel without modules, I see only the newer modules in apt-get search results, so I'm trying to upgrade the kernel; a way to install .18 modules would work too |
| 12:24.02 | Gryllida | 2.6.18 |
| 12:24.36 | themill | Gryllida: what does "uname -a" currently say? |
| 12:24.45 | Gryllida | eek something old, one moment |
| 12:24.51 | Gryllida | server01:~# uname -a |
| 12:24.52 | Gryllida | Linux server01 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.1PAE #1 SMP Sat Nov 27 01:42:29 MSK 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:25.17 | Gryllida | lib/modules was empty, I installed linux modules 2.6.26-2 from apt |
| 12:25.37 | Gryllida | iptabables still doesn't take those, as it looks at uname -a |
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| 12:25.39 | themill | Gryllida: that's the redhat kernel that your provider gives you. You probably can't change that. What modules are you after? |
| 12:25.41 | Gryllida | iptables * |
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| 12:25.55 | Gryllida | server01:~# iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 12:25.58 | Gryllida | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.1PAE/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.27 | Gryllida | it's not suposed to be redhat, but debian 5.0, hence I'm asking here |
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| 12:27.15 | Gryllida | apt-getting .18 modules would work |
| 12:27.38 | themill | no, probably wouldn't, actually. |
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| 12:28.04 | Gryllida | I dunno, they gave old kernel, no modules, is there anythng to do other than contact them? I have root |
| 12:28.11 | abrotman | it's a VPS ? |
| 12:28.14 | Gryllida | yes |
| 12:28.16 | themill | Gryllida: sounds like you need to talk to your vps provider here. |
| 12:28.22 | abrotman | right .. it is Debian then |
| 12:28.26 | abrotman | as much as it can bre |
| 12:28.27 | abrotman | be |
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| 12:28.48 | Gryllida | the first thing they did was enable NAT in response to my request (idk how it's related) though I pasted terminal logs to them |
| 12:29.15 | Gryllida | I've explained again, they're VERY slow to respond.. it's sad that I can apt-get and can't boot it though :-\ |
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| 12:33.37 | Gryllida | themill: and if I had that box at home |
| 12:33.49 | Gryllida | what would be the normal procedure to change the kernel to boot? |
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| 12:35.03 | themill | Gryllida: xen kernels are strange beasts; anything you know about grub and selecting kernels is meaningless. BTW are you sure it is actually xen? |
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| 12:36.14 | Gryllida | no |
| 12:36.30 | Gryllida | 'Linux server01 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.1PAE #1 SMP Sat Nov 27 01:42:29 MSK 2010 i686 GNU/Linux' is the original info |
| 12:37.27 | _linuxftw | Hi, in /etc I'm seeing a few new files appearing: shadow- and passwd-, these appear to be copies of shadow and passwd respectively. Any idea what they are? |
| 12:37.47 | simonrvn | backups |
| 12:37.49 | Gryllida | _linuxftw: maybe you opened them with nano or another editor |
| 12:38.00 | Gryllida | it made backup copy |
| 12:38.07 | simonrvn | vipw and friends |
| 12:38.14 | Gryllida | dunno, maybe system makes those too |
| 12:38.21 | simonrvn | or some packaging thingy |
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| 12:38.32 | _linuxftw | I only ever use vim, and I haven't manually edited them since I deleted shadow- and passwd- yesterday |
| 12:38.34 | simonrvn | doesn't remember now |
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| 12:39.08 | _linuxftw | gshadow and group both have copies with an appended - too |
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| 12:40.03 | simonrvn | i do believe it's part of cron.weekly stuff |
| 12:40.09 | Gryllida | what is initrd? |
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| 12:40.52 | simonrvn | 14 jan 04:34 2.9K 6 jan 03:02 - first is passwd and second is passwd- |
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| 12:41.35 | _linuxftw | huh? |
| 12:42.46 | _linuxftw | I've only got three entries in cron.weekly, I can't see anything that would be doing it |
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| 12:43.08 | simonrvn | like i said, i don't remember, i used to know :/ |
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| 12:44.40 | _linuxftw | there is a backup script called "standard" in cron.daily though |
| 12:44.46 | simonrvn | ah ok. i was right about vipw edits |
| 12:45.05 | _linuxftw | Contains lines like this: cmp -s passwd.bak /etc/passwd || (cp -p /etc/passwd passwd.bak && chmod 600 passwd.bak) |
| 12:45.18 | _linuxftw | however, I'm not seeing a passwd.bak file, only a passwd- |
| 12:45.42 | simonrvn | has to do with vipw vigr etc. |
| 12:45.52 | _linuxftw | what are they? |
| 12:46.02 | prince_jammys | editors |
| 12:46.16 | prince_jammys | well, front ends to $EDITOR |
| 12:46.55 | prince_jammys | man 5 passwd and shadow do mention the passwd- and shadow- file, but not how it's created. |
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| 12:47.51 | prince_jammys | !shadow- |
| 12:47.51 | dpkg | i guess shadow- is a backup of /etc/shadow |
| 12:48.33 | _linuxftw | could it be created when I run userdel? |
| 12:48.47 | _linuxftw | because the only difference between the backup and live copy is a user I deleted |
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| 12:50.07 | _linuxftw | yep, it is |
| 12:50.26 | _linuxftw | probably so you can recover the last user you deleted, or something like that |
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| 12:55.27 | man_in_ltop | bah |
| 12:55.41 | man_in_ltop | anyone know how to create an offline copy of a webpage using wget? |
| 12:56.05 | man_in_ltop | i have wget -k -r -p -np http://example.com |
| 12:57.02 | man_in_ltop | but it's not converting the links properly |
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| 12:59.28 | man_in_ltop | now trying -m -l |
| 12:59.31 | man_in_ltop | *-m -k |
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| 13:03.05 | AntiSociaL | good mornin good folks |
| 13:03.20 | AntiSociaL | hope you had yer coffe n smokes |
| 13:03.25 | AntiSociaL | coffee* |
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| 13:03.57 | man_in_ltop | ew smokes |
| 13:03.59 | AntiSociaL | i need a bit of help... trying to setup proftpd with mysql and im getting unknown directive |
| 13:04.08 | AntiSociaL | SQLBackend |
| 13:04.23 | AntiSociaL | lol man_in_ltop coffee for you then |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | did you insatll the proftpd-mod-mysql? |
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| 13:05.23 | redguy | hi, I have encountered a bug in lenny's ghostscript, most propably http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689150 . Squeeze version of gs seems to work fine. I tried rebuilding the newer version of ghostscript but the sources are in newer format, and require cdbs which is not available in lenny. |
| 13:05.25 | AntiSociaL | it is installed yep |
| 13:06.26 | redguy | since I can't dist-upgrade i seem to have 2 options: 1 install a squeeze chroot and use gs from there. 2. install a static version of gs. |
| 13:06.54 | abrotman | redguy: wait a bit for squeeze to release? |
| 13:07.03 | abrotman | redguy: /msg dpkg ssb ? |
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| 13:08.42 | redguy | abrotman: waiting for squeeze to be released is not really an option. |
| 13:09.00 | abrotman | and the ssb ? |
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| 13:09.37 | man_in_ltop | ok, wget -m -k is still wrong |
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| 13:11.01 | man_in_ltop | oh flibble |
| 13:11.17 | redguy | abrotman: well, I'll look into that, but I already tried rebuilding with pbuilder. |
| 13:11.28 | abrotman | probably not really the right approach |
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| 13:11.47 | pengol | hi there ... Once I was on a site with people comments on hardware but I can't remember the name ... anyone knows? |
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| 13:12.13 | skamikaze | redguy: checked backports yet? thought bout apt-pinning ps from squeeze? |
| 13:12.40 | abrotman | skamikaze: the pinning would probably fail |
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| 13:13.18 | redguy | skamikaze: did both. ghostscript is not in lenny-backports and pinning would result in half-squeeze system because of ghostscript's dependencies |
| 13:14.22 | redguy | abrotman: I'm reading into ssb |
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| 13:18.19 | stew | cdbs would probably backport easily |
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| 13:19.35 | man_in_ltop | i have learnt that if you are looking to see if a script is functioning correctly, it helps to be logged in to the right system |
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| 13:26.05 | AntiSociaL | so nobody has seen that error eh |
| 13:26.07 | AntiSociaL | :( |
| 13:26.15 | AntiSociaL | sucks fer me |
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| 13:33.28 | HackeMate | hello, I have installed the webdav server, and using cadaver i can access it |
| 13:33.45 | HackeMate | but using windows i cant reach the server usign the "connect to shared folder" |
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| 13:33.57 | HackeMate | it says doesn't exist any shared folder like this |
| 13:34.05 | HackeMate | do i need able anything i miss? |
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| 14:23.05 | wald0 | is 2.6.32 the newest kernel available for debian ? |
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| 14:24.34 | wald0 | why is this old ? because everybody is working on the stable release ? |
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| 14:26.54 | snow_man | wald0: which version of debian are you using 2.6.32 on? |
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| 14:27.14 | snow_man | I believe 2.6.32-5 is the current kernel for testing |
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| 14:32.45 | wald0 | snow_man: but kernel.org says that we are in 2.6.37 |
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| 14:32.45 | sekon | wald0: not packaged for debian officially |
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| 14:32.59 | wald0 | sekon: why not ? that's what im trying to understand |
| 14:33.03 | themill | wald0: squeeze will release with a 2.6.32 kernel. This decision was taken quite some time ago and in consultation with other distributions so that the security workload could be shared. Since that's what's going to be released with squeeze, that's all that has been uploaded. |
| 14:33.04 | wald0 | it is a big number difference |
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| 14:33.50 | wald0 | themill: ok, so nobody is working on new ones for unstable because are busy in the release ? sounds coherent... btw, what's the date for the release of the stable ? |
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| 14:34.08 | sekon | wald0: most distros agree to use a common kernel now its 2.6.32 |
| 14:34.30 | themill | wald0: when it's ready |
| 14:34.49 | stew | wald0: its not that nobody is working on new ones, its that we want a clear upgrade path through unstable to squeeze in case we need a newer 2.6.32 in squeeze before the release |
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| 14:35.27 | sekon | wald0: see http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Kernel-Log-Long-term-maintenance-for-2-6-32-util-linux-ng-extended-910616.html |
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| 14:35.43 | wald0 | i see |
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| 14:36.49 | wald0 | well, there's a release candidate, sounds like the release will be soon |
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| 14:37.41 | themill | wald0: no, there's a release candidate for the installer, that's slightly different. /msg dpkg guess the release date |
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| 14:38.19 | sekon | wald0: some people say that the debian installer is a mini distro in itself |
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| 14:46.08 | wald0 | themill: so "Number concerning the next release: 56" means the bugs remaining for that squeeze will be released ? |
| 14:46.43 | themill | yes. as long as people don't go around finding more... |
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| 14:47.48 | stew | wald0: http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/rc-stats |
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| 15:22.29 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have a debian/squeeze which has got Grub2 as a boot loader. Now I have a spare HDD and I want to clone my system to have a reserve, bootable copy of today. I cfdisk'ed and mkfs'ed the partition, mounted it and did `cp -aux / /mnt/disk2`. Now how do I make the 2nd HDD bootable? |
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| 15:24.27 | BelgaCom | Anyone know if this is the latest greatest version: http://iso.linuxquestions.org/damn-small-linux/4.4.10/ |
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| 15:24.55 | snow_man | hid3: dd would have been a better choice since it would have allowed you to really clone the drive; in your current state, assuming everything copied ok, you should be able to install grub to the root and point it to /boot/grub configs |
| 15:25.26 | snow_man | hid3: but I would never trust cp completely on a full disk copy; dd is a better choice |
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| 15:26.06 | frostschutz | hid3: copying from / is always a bad idea... better to mount / a second time in /mnt/root/ or something so you can also copy the stuff that's under the mountpoints (like standard static dev nodes which may be needed before udev starts) |
| 15:26.49 | frostschutz | dd is a bad choice if its done while the system is mounted and running, the image will be inconsistent |
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| 15:27.13 | BelgaCom | It never booting, why ? ex: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { driveready seekcomplete datarequest error} , hda: read_intr: error=0x40 {uncorrectableerror}, lbasect=63, high=0, low=63, sector=0 |
| 15:27.35 | snow_man | frostschutz: that is why dd should be used from a live image or single-user mode ;) |
| 15:27.42 | petemc | BelgaCom: possible drive failure |
| 15:27.49 | hid3 | Let's leave the good/bad things alone. Another question: how do I install MBR to a 2nd harddrive? |
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| 15:28.35 | BelgaCom | petemc, yes but, fedora 12 or fedora 14 live cd gets started with desktop and all |
| 15:29.03 | stew | BelgaCom: fedora works but you are having trouble with damnsmalllinux? |
| 15:29.25 | redguy | abrotman: ssb worked with some tweaking. thanks! |
| 15:29.54 | snow_man | hid3: you just need to reinstall grub2; I can't tell you the exact steps from memory, but you should be able to find many guides online as well as the grub2 documentation |
| 15:30.12 | BelgaCom | stew, yes |
| 15:30.19 | stew | BelgaCom: please go to #damnsmalllinux for help with damnsmalllinux |
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| 15:30.49 | BelgaCom | stew, i will not get feed for debian ? (DSL is also debian ) |
| 15:31.15 | stew | BelgaCom: DSL isn't debian, it is DSL |
| 15:31.22 | stew | BelgaCom: /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 15:31.47 | hid3 | it's grub-install probably if nothing has changed |
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| 15:33.29 | BelgaCom | stew, yes you are right, they are not debian but packages are. thanks make sense asking in there room. thanks a lot |
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| 15:41.53 | jae | (Oh, and trac-mercurial too please ;-) |
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| 15:54.45 | eldowan | I've got a hdd that I'm transferring all the data over to, and i want the complete system as a whole. |
| 15:55.22 | eldowan | I've copied all the data into the relevant partitions, but have not installed grub yet. What would be the proper method to install grub, with the correct settings, so that this drive could be used as the sole drive of the system? |
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| 15:58.21 | eldowan | I'm assuming I could rm -rf /boot; then boot into the debian install cd, and have it do the grub install process. would this be about right? |
| 15:58.50 | jelly | there's no reason to wipe /boot |
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| 15:59.31 | f8l | eldowan: Don't do that. Grub will modify /boot if needed. |
| 16:00.07 | eldowan | sweet, so just booting and installing grub would suffice? I though I needed to wipe /boot b/c the current settings may have been brought over w/ it and such. |
| 16:00.14 | jelly | eldowan: just mount your new root and /boot filesystems, chroot in there and run grub-install (after making sure /etc/fstab and grub config is correct) |
| 16:00.55 | eldowan | jelly: the issue is I only have one port for the drive, and I can't chroot from my current system. I have to shut the system down, then install the new drive. |
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| 16:01.51 | jelly | can't chroot? |
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| 16:02.26 | jelly | eldowan: oh ok. Then use a livecd and repeat the steps. ;-) |
| 16:02.49 | eldowan | jelly: sweet. livecd better than the regular debian installer? |
| 16:03.36 | jelly | a proper livecd usually has a bit more friendlier enviroment, but it doesn't really matter |
| 16:04.01 | eldowan | cool, i'm familiar w/ the deb installer and I already have that cd burned. |
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| 16:04.19 | jelly | eg. grml livecd has a wrapper for chroot that bind-mounts all the necessary virtual filesystems |
| 16:04.34 | eldowan | Thanks for all you guys help, i hope to be back in action soon w/ a new hdd in my system. |
| 16:04.41 | eldowan | oh, nice. |
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| 16:25.14 | niklasfi | is it possible to disable logging to syslog? |
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| 16:26.09 | niklasfi | i am experiencing a particular error that creates about 10k lines of log each time it occurs. and that happens about once an hour |
| 16:26.47 | stew | niklasfi: what software contains the error? |
| 16:26.55 | stew | or reports it or whatever |
| 16:27.13 | tech13 | niklasfi, there are some options in /etc/rsyslog.conf and most software has options for verbosity of the errors it creates as well. |
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| 16:28.11 | niklasfi | stew: it is some sort of i/o problem. it repeatedly states: usb1: kevenet 2 may have been dropped ... that happens a lot |
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| 16:30.36 | niklasfi | so could i just comment the syslog line out? |
| 16:31.06 | mactimes_ | Hello everyone. Is there a way I can change the default route for packages based on source ip address of hosts behind NAT on my local network? |
| 16:32.15 | mactimes_ | I currently have 2 WAN connections and would like to have the VIPs connections to go through a WAN which will be dedicated to their sole use. |
| 16:33.53 | abrotman | for packets? |
| 16:34.04 | abrotman | mactimes_: and you probably want #netfilter |
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| 16:34.50 | stew | mactimes_: you can only have 1 default route per table, so you'll have to create multiple tables, each with the different default route |
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| 16:35.13 | Third3ye | Hey folks, I've setup a nfs in /etc/exports with a specific ip and rw option set |
| 16:35.26 | Third3ye | The client is a Windows 7 desktop, and when trying to create files it says "Premission denid" |
| 16:35.29 | Third3ye | Any clues? |
| 16:35.32 | stew | mactimes_: then the easiest thing to do is to fwmark the packets in the mangle table, then ad an "ip rule" to select a routing table based on fwmark |
| 16:35.33 | Third3ye | Permission* |
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| 16:50.08 | damasceno | What means "+" at the end of permission file? When i use: ls -l, show: |
| 16:50.27 | damasceno | -rwxrwxrwx+ root root.... |
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| 16:50.56 | damasceno | I don't know what is this "+". I can't remove this file, or change the permission. :/ |
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| 16:54.08 | jhutchins_lt | niklasfi: That's probably a kernel error, and the only way to disable logging it would be to disable all error-level logging from the kernel. |
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| 16:54.29 | jhutchins_lt | niklasfi: While you can do that in the syslog config, you probably don't want to. |
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| 16:55.28 | walterheck | Hi guys and girls, I'm wanting to install rubygems1.8 from squeeze on an otherwise completely lenny/lenny-backports system without upgrading to squeeze. Is that possible? |
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| 16:56.30 | walterheck | wording that differently: I need rubygems 1.3.5, which is not in lenny or backports |
| 16:56.30 | jhutchins_lt | !ruby |
| 16:56.30 | dpkg | somebody said ruby was a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com, or http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/, or #ruby-lang |
| 16:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions rubygems |
| 16:56.51 | judd | Package rubygems on i386 -- etch: 0.9.0-5; etch-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.2.0-3; lenny-backports: 1.3.4-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.3.7-3; squeeze: 1.3.7-3 |
| 16:57.11 | niklasfi | jhutchins_lt: but then what do i do about those errors? |
| 16:57.15 | damasceno | What means "+" at the end of permission file? When i use: ls -l, show: |
| 16:57.16 | damasceno | -rwxrwxrwx+ root root.... |
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| 16:57.33 | jhutchins_lt | niklasfi: Find out what's causing the link to drop and fix it. |
| 16:57.52 | walterheck | jhutchins_lt, so how do I install a single package from squeeze or sid? |
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| 16:57.55 | petemc | damasceno: it acl stuff |
| 16:58.00 | petemc | its |
| 16:58.08 | jhutchins_lt | walterheck: Backport it. |
| 16:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | !tell walterheck about ssb |
| 16:58.22 | niklasfi | jhutchins_lt: well it got better after mounting my usb-hdd in the "sync" mode. |
| 16:59.01 | jhutchins_lt | walterheck: Modify those instructions for squeeze instead of sid as required. |
| 16:59.18 | damasceno | petemc, can you tell me more? |
| 16:59.26 | damasceno | I need remove this file. :S |
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| 17:00.00 | damasceno | but, if the file have "+" i can't :/ |
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| 17:01.23 | themill | damasceno: extended attributes, use lsattr to see them |
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| 17:01.27 | walterheck | jhutchins_lt, thanks. I'll go and fiddle with that |
| 17:01.33 | petemc | damasceno: its not something i know much about having not really used fs acls, you can yse getfacl and setfacl to view and manipulate acls |
| 17:01.35 | stew | attrs or acls? |
| 17:01.41 | stew | acls i think |
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| 17:01.51 | themill | oh... yeah |
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| 17:03.24 | damasceno | themill, show that: -----a------- |
| 17:03.33 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder who set the acls in the first place? |
| 17:03.50 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps the file is in use and locked? |
| 17:04.20 | jhutchins_lt | damasceno: What error do you get when you try to delete it? (Are you using a GUI or the console?) |
| 17:04.39 | damasceno | rm -rf teste.txt |
| 17:04.40 | damasceno | rm: cannot remove `teste.txt': Operation not permitted |
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| 17:04.47 | damasceno | And, my current user is: root. |
| 17:05.18 | themill | damasceno: as petemc said, "getfacl filename" is probably more informative |
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| 17:06.05 | damasceno | themill, ok. |
| 17:06.13 | damasceno | The own user is: root, and group too. |
| 17:06.22 | jelly | damasceno: man chattr says: A file with the `a' attribute set can only be open in append mode for writing. Only the superuser or a process possessing the CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE capability can set or clear this attribute. |
| 17:06.36 | damasceno | Yeah,, i know... |
| 17:06.39 | damasceno | i can't delete this. |
| 17:06.42 | stew | damasceno: what are the permissions of the containing directory? |
| 17:06.47 | damasceno | And now, what i need to do, to delete this? |
| 17:06.49 | stew | (and attrs) |
| 17:06.49 | jelly | damasceno: so clear the attribute first. |
| 17:06.55 | damasceno | jelly, how? |
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| 17:07.00 | jelly | damasceno: using chattr. |
| 17:07.07 | damasceno | which option? |
| 17:07.25 | jelly | I'm not going to give you the complete command. |
| 17:07.36 | damasceno | chattr - a file? |
| 17:08.03 | jae | Looking for a Trac 0.12 package for sid... anyone have an URL or any other pointers? |
| 17:08.29 | jelly | ,versions trac |
| 17:08.30 | judd | Package trac on i386 -- etch: 0.10.3-1etch4; etch-backports: 0.11.1-2.1~bpo40+2; lenny: 0.11.1-2.1; lenny-backports: 0.11.7-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.11.7-4; squeeze: 0.11.7-4 |
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| 17:09.18 | damasceno | jelly, i did use chattr -a file, and when i use lsattr show: ------------- teste.txt |
| 17:09.29 | damasceno | When, i did remove that, right? But still i can't remove the file :S |
| 17:09.33 | stew | damasceno: what are the permissions of the containing directory? |
| 17:09.42 | jelly | jae: you could try building it yourself if you feel lucky. /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 17:09.49 | damasceno | drwxrwx---+ |
| 17:10.06 | damasceno | stew, this. |
| 17:10.28 | stew | damasceno: are you the directory owner? what are the attrs of the directory? |
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| 17:11.24 | damasceno | stew, i'm with root. |
| 17:11.55 | stew | damasceno: what are the attrs of the directory? |
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| 17:12.20 | damasceno | drwxrwx---+ |
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| 17:12.23 | thewanderer1 | hi. I'm looking for a way to make a networked bridge, much like VDE2, but adding real network interfaces to it, not just virtual |
| 17:12.41 | stew | damasceno: those are the permissions not the attrs |
| 17:12.45 | damasceno | stew, and with lsattr show that: |
| 17:12.45 | damasceno | ------------- ./NPD |
| 17:12.53 | stew | damasceno: then check the ext. acls |
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| 17:13.40 | damasceno | stew, what? i'm not understanding... |
| 17:13.53 | stew | damasceno: google for linux extended acls |
| 17:13.54 | damasceno | stew, i already delete the attributes, right? |
| 17:13.58 | stew | damasceno: right |
| 17:14.07 | damasceno | And, why i can't remove the file? |
| 17:14.09 | damasceno | o.O |
| 17:14.20 | stew | damasceno: i'm guessing because of the extended acls either on the file or the directory |
| 17:15.00 | jhutchins_lt | stll speculates that permissions are not the problem. |
| 17:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | 'cause, y'know, the error message usually SAYS something about permissions. |
| 17:15.34 | jhutchins_lt | We're not dealing with selinux here, are we? |
| 17:15.43 | damasceno | no. |
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| 17:16.26 | damasceno | jhutchins_lt SELinux is disabled. |
| 17:16.35 | thewanderer1 | to delete a file, you need write permissions to its directory |
| 17:16.45 | damasceno | thewanderer1, o.O |
| 17:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | I think that the file may be locked by some process, possibly defunct. |
| 17:17.08 | thewanderer1 | well, running 'fuser -n file /where/it/is' might help track it down |
| 17:17.08 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Can you create a directory that root does not have write permissions to? |
| 17:17.30 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: not under Linux with only UNIX DAC enabled and normal filesystems - with proc and sys this is possible though |
| 17:17.33 | thewanderer1 | and with kernel modules |
| 17:17.42 | damasceno | stew, jhutchins_lt, thanks. |
| 17:17.47 | damasceno | I'll try. |
| 17:17.48 | damasceno | :) |
| 17:18.19 | thewanderer1 | btw. last time I tried, lsattr did not show ACL |
| 17:18.32 | themill | (getfacl on both the dir and that file) |
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| 17:19.19 | thewanderer1 | so they both returned no ACL's set besides DAC? |
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| 17:20.28 | thewanderer1 | damasceno: the plus (+) sign after permissions means that there ARE ACL in effect |
| 17:20.42 | thewanderer1 | so we are dealing with ACL here |
| 17:21.05 | themill | yes... we sorted that point out 20 minutes ago. |
| 17:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Means they're enabled/available, not that theyr'e set. |
| 17:22.02 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: hmm nope... ls doesn't show plus where only standard ACL entries (user/group/others) are in effect |
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| 17:23.41 | thewanderer1 | so... perhaps... remove the acls? |
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| 17:31.06 | poggle | have this machine giving me the blink of death |
| 17:31.21 | poggle | the install just finished and now the box should have beenb rebooting |
| 17:31.26 | poggle | but noooooo! |
| 17:31.38 | poggle | is it okay to just reboot manually? |
| 17:31.58 | poggle | is it a bad sign that your distro is failing before fully setup? |
| 17:32.30 | poggle | i just tapped the power button and it |
| 17:32.45 | poggle | it reboots and instantly reverts to the blinking cursor state |
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| 17:33.14 | poggle | nope |
| 17:35.05 | AnthLee | poggle, could you give me a rundown of your hardware? |
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| 17:38.15 | poggle | # Intel Dual Core Atom D525 (1.8GHz); Nvidia ION 2 graphics with 512mb dedicated video memory |
| 17:38.18 | poggle | # 12.1" WXGA (1366x768) LED screen; 2GB DDR3 RAM (2x1GB), 4GB Max |
| 17:38.26 | poggle | a netbook |
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| 17:38.58 | poggle | im going to try reinstalling, again |
| 17:39.02 | thewanderer1 | and what OS precisely are you trying to run? |
| 17:39.12 | poggle | i call it ubuntu |
| 17:39.13 | sjs205 | Can anyone tell me how to make and initrd.img file since i've compiled a new kernel from source |
| 17:39.27 | thewanderer1 | poggle: for Ubuntu problems, please refer to #ubuntu channel |
| 17:39.32 | AnthLee | then why are you looking for support in #Debian =/ |
| 17:39.52 | poggle | cause ubuntu is debians bitch |
| 17:39.57 | dvs | sjs205: update-initramfs |
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| 17:40.09 | AnthLee | Ubuntu is Debian beaten with an ugly stick |
| 17:40.10 | raz0 | bitch? |
| 17:40.23 | sjs205 | dvs, -bash: update-initramfs: command not found |
| 17:40.26 | raz0 | no need to get rude |
| 17:40.29 | AnthLee | mercilessly |
| 17:40.45 | raz0 | but Ubuntu is certainly not Debian |
| 17:41.04 | dvs | sjs205: as root |
| 17:41.09 | sjs205 | dvs, apologies... sudo :) |
| 17:41.38 | poggle | hmm. i'll try with debian this time |
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| 17:45.28 | maplebed | I'm trying to get sudoers-via-ldap set up on squeeze. it works when I have the host's real name (the A record that matches the PTR record) in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf but not when I have an alternative A record. Any ideas on how to make different names for the host work? |
| 17:46.08 | maplebed | (the reason for the multiple names is that I'm using DNS views to point different hosts at different backend servers while keeping the hosts' configuration untouched) |
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| 17:47.45 | traceto | How can I install msfonts in Debian? |
| 17:48.04 | poggle | is the uhm, debian iso 'hybridized' or whatever it's called these days |
| 17:48.14 | poggle | can i just dd the iso to a usb sticky and play from there? |
| 17:48.35 | themill | dpkg: tell traceto about ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 17:48.50 | poggle | or is the slightly more complicated procedure of having to partition and copy and whatnot still the main route |
| 17:48.51 | maplebed | traceto: "apt-cache search fonts | grep -i micros" got me ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 17:49.47 | themill | traceto: you need the package from contrib; /msg dpkg contrib |
| 17:49.58 | traceto | maplebed: oh, it says that i don't have any installation candidate... |
| 17:50.11 | dvs | poggle: they say you can dd the squeeze installer to a USB stick but I haven't tried it myself |
| 17:50.46 | thewanderer1 | dvs, poggle: Squeeze Live works as hybrid ISO and includes the installer |
| 17:51.06 | dvs | wants an electric installer ;-) |
| 17:51.24 | maplebed | traceto: pastebin the entire output of your attempt to install the package? |
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| 17:52.54 | traceto | www.pastebin.com/kPi2H0Ng |
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| 17:54.05 | traceto | maplebed: www.pastebin.com/kPi2H0Ng |
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| 17:55.33 | themill | traceto: do you have "contrib" in your sources.list? |
| 17:56.22 | traceto | themill: nope, whats that? |
| 17:57.06 | themill | dpkg: tell traceto about contrib |
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| 18:00.20 | eldowan | jelly: thanks for the help. I was able to boot a livecd and get grub installed fine. |
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| 18:01.26 | eldowan | I do have another question though. Since I was trying to clone the drive, I used a cp -x<something or other> to move all my data over from one drive to the next. On my new drive, sudo fails because it isn't setuid root. Is there a better way of copying all the data w/o using dd or anything, since the partitions are different sizes? |
| 18:02.07 | stew | eldowan: add -a |
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| 18:04.41 | flo|linux | eldowan, using the correct options ;) |
| 18:04.45 | flo|linux | like -a, yeah |
| 18:04.52 | flo|linux | or you use rsync (also with the correct options) |
| 18:04.52 | eldowan | flo|linux: thanks, you're the best |
| 18:04.56 | imganquan | !contrib |
| 18:04.57 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have non-free dependencies (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 18:05.05 | flo|linux | hrhr, stew said that before ;) |
| 18:05.34 | eldowan | stew: I thought I did use cp -xa. I guess I'll try again. |
| 18:05.50 | stew | dpkg: contrib=~s,non-free dependencies,dependencies not in main, |
| 18:05.51 | dpkg | stew: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:05.59 | stew | dpkg: contrib =~ s,non-free dependencies,dependencies not in main, |
| 18:06.00 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 18:06.02 | eldowan | I would be doing a cp -ax /path/to/oldroot /path/to/newroot correct? |
| 18:06.31 | themill | stew: dependencies not in the Depends sense? |
| 18:06.39 | Cain | Hi, Having Debian on many servers(NoGui), i'm thinking about converting my Laptop's Win7 to Debian(GUI) too, Which will be the most suitable for a laptop ? (Dell Latitude D420) Stable/Testing/Unstable ? |
| 18:06.49 | stew | themill: either sense |
| 18:06.55 | stew | themill: it has nothing to do with the freeness though |
| 18:06.55 | thewanderer1 | Cain: use Squeeze, works perfect for my friend |
| 18:07.21 | Cain | thewanderer1 : squeeze is on RC1 right ? |
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| 18:07.34 | thewanderer1 | Cain: yes |
| 18:07.39 | themill | stew: true |
| 18:07.57 | stew | themill: i mean to say, something can end up in contrib even if it doesn't depend on any non-free software, it just needs to depend on something not in debian |
| 18:08.15 | themill | yeah, with that in mind it reads fine |
| 18:08.19 | thewanderer1 | Cain: by the way, I think the Core Duo are amd64, but there are no clear benefits without VT and with little RAM |
| 18:08.24 | Cain | thewanderer1 : what was the desktop choice of your friend ? kde/gnome... ? |
| 18:08.53 | thewanderer1 | Cain: GNOME - under KDE, KNetworkManager is hardly usable and this was the only reason. I personally choose GNOME for laptops, KDE for desktops |
| 18:09.02 | Cain | thewanderer1 : the laptop is a core duo CPU (1.2Ghz) with 1GB of ram) |
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| 18:09.13 | thewanderer1 | yes, pretty typical specification |
| 18:09.45 | Cain | thewanderer1 : thx for you advice, i'll test that ^^ |
| 18:10.01 | thewanderer1 | Cain: one more thing - you'll probably need broadcom firmware |
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| 18:10.46 | thewanderer1 | Cain: those units often come with broadcom WiFi, so don't expect it to work it OOTB - enable non-free, use module-assistant to obtain the driver (broadcom-sta) |
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| 18:12.44 | Cain | thewanderer1 : sure ! i will also yell here to get it work :p |
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| 18:20.14 | siya | anyone out there who knows if there's a good was to mount smb sgares other than at boot? |
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| 18:20.25 | siya | s/sgares/shares/ |
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| 18:20.39 | hay | hi all.. I am coming from BSDish systems and when installing Debian I am confused about the partitioning scheme option "All files in one partition"... why could it be bad to select this option? thx |
| 18:21.18 | thewanderer1 | hay: this is bad for servers where users can SSH in, and fill up your / partition with lolcat pictures so that no logs get saved and the system is unusable :P |
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| 18:21.46 | siya | Running on a laptop which is regularly disconnected from the network I'd like to have an elegant way of ensuring the share is remounted once connectivity is restored |
| 18:21.51 | eldowan | or if you have multiple installs, and want to share a /home partition between them, or something |
| 18:22.05 | jordanm | hay: I have always viewed the primary advantage of multiple partitions as being able to supply different mount options. eg. /tmp is a noexec |
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| 18:22.32 | eldowan | siya: if you don't have the auto flag in /etc/fstab, I think you should just be able to mount /path/to/mount once you're ready. Assuming you have the proper permissions and all setup |
| 18:23.02 | jordanm | might need a -o remount |
| 18:23.11 | hay | thewanderer1, yes, I was thinking about such cases... anyways I am building a server that will accessable only from a special VLAN... since all the services will be available only locally I can safely assume that this option couldn't hurt me? :) |
| 18:23.13 | thewanderer1 | siya: write up a if-up.d script that mounts your share |
| 18:23.19 | siya | eldowan, I do that on servers but would like something on my laptop that doesn't require manual intervention |
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| 18:23.37 | jordanm | !tell hay about lvm |
| 18:24.01 | jordanm | hmm, that doesn't seem to explain what it is at all |
| 18:24.02 | eldowan | siya: aah. well... probably not the best option, but you could try to add a script to mount the drive when you become attached to a particular network. |
| 18:24.06 | imganquan | thewanderer1: I have a 500G hd, how's the better partition size ? I'd like 50G for "/" and the rest for /home. BTW, I use debian as desktop. |
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| 18:24.48 | eldowan | siya: heh, looks like thewanderer1 had a better answer, sooner. look at his suggestion about if-up.d |
| 18:25.10 | siya | thewanderer1, eldowan, surely there should be more user friendly ways these days? |
| 18:25.25 | hay | jordanm, thx :-) |
| 18:25.31 | eldowan | siya: duno about that. I'm still on lenny w/ kde3. |
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| 18:25.46 | thewanderer1 | siya: heh you wish. I ended up writing an if-up.d script that detects my WiFi ESSID and mounts NFS conditionally :P |
| 18:26.01 | siya | I know it'll defo work and I can do it. just getting slightly annoyed that I have to hack all the nice features while my wife (on her mac) doesn't have to... |
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| 18:26.02 | eldowan | there may be a gui app you can find to manage that for you. have you tried searching through synaptic or aptitude looking for something that will auto mount on certain conditions? |
| 18:26.11 | siya | I suppose I got what I paid for... ;) |
| 18:26.17 | siya | dinner time here |
| 18:26.20 | siya | thnx guys |
| 18:26.22 | eldowan | siya: well, you could ask for a refund... |
| 18:26.37 | siya | eldowan, LOL |
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| 18:28.58 | jordanm | siya: looks like they require sign-up for plugin downloads such as netflix |
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| 18:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | siya: The problem is that the share is unlikely to cleanly un-mount when the connection is lost. If you automatically re-mount when the connection comes back you'll have multiple mounts, some of which are not functional. |
| 18:32.39 | thewanderer1 | if possible, use NFS which is stateless |
| 18:33.28 | jhutchins_lt | ..but which has the same problem most of the time. |
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| 18:37.20 | Name141 | Hello, what package do I need to have installed to use eggdrop TCL? |
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| 18:37.34 | Name141 | tcl8.4 installed |
| 18:37.37 | Name141 | but I can't find it anywhere |
| 18:37.50 | Name141 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.50 | Name141 | tcl: |
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| 18:38.34 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-file |
| 18:38.34 | dpkg | auto-apt is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 18:38.57 | Name141 | !apt-file tcl |
| 18:39.06 | themill | ,versions eggdrop |
| 18:39.06 | Name141 | ..bbq. |
| 18:39.07 | judd | Package eggdrop on i386 -- etch: 1.6.18-1etch2; etch-security: 1.6.18-1etch2; lenny: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; sid: 1.6.19-1.2; squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2 |
| 18:39.35 | Name141 | themill: The admin didn't want to install eggdrop globally |
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| 18:39.43 | Name141 | themill: Just TCL |
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| 18:40.00 | themill | .o0(probably didn't want you running an irc bot at all) |
| 18:40.00 | Name141 | what package does he need to install for me? |
| 18:40.24 | Name141 | themill: no it's fine. He just wants to know what package it is. |
| 18:40.55 | stew | Name141: you are going to build eggdrop from source? |
| 18:40.57 | Name141 | ,versions tcl |
| 18:40.58 | judd | Package tcl on i386 -- lenny: 8.4.16-2; sid: 8.4.16-2; squeeze: 8.4.16-2; experimental: 8.5.0-1 |
| 18:41.03 | Name141 | stew: yes |
| 18:41.23 | tharkun | Gentlemen my last roll of film has been exposed. I need a new digital camera. Preferebly PS since i want something small. I've heard they come with HD video. What formats are supported on debian? What software should i download to play them? |
| 18:41.25 | stew | Name141: "apt-cache showsrc eggdrop" will list it in 'Build-Depends" |
| 18:41.47 | Name141 | stew: I'll tell'em |
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| 18:42.38 | stew | Name141: he can also just run "apt-get build-dep eggdrop" to install them |
| 18:43.04 | Name141 | stew: wouldn't that make it avalable for all users including mine? |
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| 18:43.40 | stew | Name141: that would make the build dependencies like tcl available to everyone |
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| 18:44.29 | Name141 | stew: Ok I'll tell'em |
| 18:44.29 | jae | Looking for a Trac 0.12 package for sid... anyone have an URL or any other pointers? (Yes, I could/can roll my own... but why do I then use Debian?) |
| 18:45.04 | babilen | jae: AFAICT there is no such package. |
| 18:45.09 | babilen | !tell jae -about uupdate |
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| 18:45.24 | babilen | jae: I can't tell you though if that works. |
| 18:45.36 | babilen | jae: (out of the box that is) |
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| 18:47.19 | themill | !dbugs 563391 |
| 18:47.24 | dpkg | #563391:W[trac] Package Trac 0.12 as well (help); Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:06:02 UTC [] |
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| 18:48.02 | l513 | what config is for the IP settings to be used at boot? |
| 18:48.21 | stew | l513: man interfaces |
| 18:48.29 | l513 | thanks |
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| 18:51.57 | Vardan | people how to build debian-installer? in the new version there is no installer folder. |
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| 19:05.29 | jelly | themill: what, it's only a year old! |
| 19:05.42 | jelly | wine 1.2 is older I think! |
| 19:06.02 | jelly | perhaps versions with numbers 1 and 2 are somehow cursed |
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| 19:07.02 | superlinux | hi all |
| 19:07.05 | jelly | jae: you use Debian because it's a great, stable platform upon which to build an environment that works |
| 19:07.41 | jelly | jae: that sometimes includes making own packages and building software |
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| 19:08.50 | jelly | jae: eg. my mail servers have debian stable, backported postfix, uupdated postfwd, spit and bubblegum |
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| 19:11.19 | superlinux | There is some sound plug-in that is used to match the correct Sound Equalizer settings, and is named "Match EQ plug-in". I am listening to house music now, and I knew about the plug-in thru google. the music now does give its correct identity. Well, is there a Linux equivalent plugin for any of the known Linux media players? |
| 19:11.46 | jelly | oh, backported logrotate as well, because mail.log.2011-01-18.gz is nicer than mail.log.1.gz or mail.log-20110118.gz |
| 19:12.52 | cahoot | superlinux: maybe here? http://aqualung.factorial.hu/ |
| 19:13.51 | superlinux | cahoot, thanks. and I will ask the arab linux-ers too |
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| 19:16.05 | eldowan | stew: Thanks for the help w/ cp. I guess I must have made an ID 10 t mistake when I copied everything down before. You're the best. |
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| 19:18.20 | omes | I'm installing debian on server with a braodcom netextreme NIC, debian asks for the drivers, i can't supply a usb stick |
| 19:18.41 | omes | i can however mount a disk where the driver is, how can i give this to the debian installer? |
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| 19:26.44 | soroush | which packages have build essentials an aclocal on debian? |
| 19:27.07 | WebDawg | I thought build-essentials was a package? |
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| 19:29.00 | jelly | WebDawg: no, lose the last "s" character |
| 19:29.26 | jelly | !b-e |
| 19:29.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 19:29.44 | soroush | ah! the s. thanks |
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| 19:43.27 | coolguy4 | Whenever I boot, I get the message "fsck died with exit status 6", and I have to press ctrl-d to continue the boot process. All my drives seem to be fine though, how can I get rid of the message? |
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| 19:53.27 | tharkun | Gentlemen my debian machine, just froze a few minutes ago, nothing worked. |
| 19:53.37 | thewanderer1 | well, it happens |
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| 19:54.15 | tharkun | I wasn't even able to ssh into it. syslog doesn't shown anything or any other log. It is quite puzzling. Any known bug that does that? |
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| 19:54.43 | tharkun | thewanderer1: yes i know. but it shouldn't happen on a squeeze machine with the release date so close |
| 19:54.59 | thewanderer1 | it's called "the uncatchable ninja kernel killer" (at least I call it so) and it never leaves logs |
| 19:55.06 | thewanderer1 | for me it was a hardware error |
| 19:55.08 | tharkun | lol |
| 19:55.25 | thewanderer1 | the PC was capable of crashing 20 times a day, but no memory errors, all subsystems fine |
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| 19:55.41 | ElDiabolo | tharkun, memory overcommit might be able to do that. |
| 19:55.56 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: it would leave logs, at least |
| 19:56.10 | tharkun | ElDiabolo: Well i have 2 gigs and seldomly do i use more than 335 mb |
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| 19:57.44 | tharkun | memory free 1724216 |
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| 20:01.48 | wald0 | how i can reconfigure/set my hostname in cli ? |
| 20:02.11 | thewanderer1 | wald0: edit /etc/hostname |
| 20:02.38 | wald0 | thewanderer1: i have on it my hostname name, but not looks like to work, the command "hostname" shows me localhost.localdomain |
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| 20:02.56 | thewanderer1 | wald0: `hostname -F /etc/hostname` when you have edited the file to reload it |
| 20:03.14 | tharkun | !tell wald0 about hostname |
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| 20:05.43 | thewanderer1 | how do I make a tunnel device that has a remote endpoint and acts exactly like Ethernet? |
| 20:06.02 | thewanderer1 | I don't care about encryption, security, anything - it can as well go to everyone in open |
| 20:06.29 | eldowan | thewanderer1: I know ssh can map ports, and you may be able to use stunnel. |
| 20:06.49 | thewanderer1 | isn't SSH only capable of forwarding TCP, though, not acting like Ethernet? |
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| 20:08.14 | thewanderer1 | heeey vtun package looks promising |
| 20:08.48 | TooMuchCaffeine | ello. a noob question. i installed sysvconfig package. but can't locate service script on file system =] |
| 20:10.05 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 20:10.38 | stew | what happened to that factoid? |
| 20:10.52 | thewanderer1 | TooMuchCaffeine: sysvinit-utils |
| 20:10.53 | stew | TooMuchCaffeine: instead of "service foo start" just run /etc/init.d/foo start |
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| 20:11.04 | thewanderer1 | stew: actually, service is not bad :) |
| 20:11.20 | thewanderer1 | I run it when I'm too lazy to type "/etc/init.d/kdm start" |
| 20:11.30 | TooMuchCaffeine | personally i prefer service ) |
| 20:12.01 | stew | ln -s /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d /usr/local/sbin/service |
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| 20:14.46 | TooMuchCaffeine | thx guys |
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| 20:23.06 | ice799 | Hi. I am building an application that requires newer versions of some libraries than currently exist in debian. I hope to distribute this application as a .deb for debian users. Is the only solution to statically link my application to the required versions of the libraries? |
| 20:23.45 | ice799 | afaict that is the only solution which will leave the user's system in place as they expect but also allow my application to work correctly. |
| 20:24.07 | thewanderer1 | ice799: is this a closed-source application? |
| 20:24.07 | stew | ice799: which libraries? |
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| 20:24.37 | ice799 | thewanderer1: no, not closed source |
| 20:25.12 | ice799 | stew: libevent, libpcap, libconfuse |
| 20:25.16 | jelly | ice799: not the only, but possibly the simplest for your users if you don't provide a full repo with dependencies. |
| 20:25.57 | ice799 | jelly: if i provide a full repo with dependencies how can i ensure that my newer versions of the libraries in question do not overwrite whatever the user has in place? |
| 20:26.20 | stew | ice799: libpcap0.8 ? you need them to have a newer runtime of libpcap0.8 or you need a different soname? |
| 20:26.43 | jelly | ice799: either use sonames, library and package names different from debian, or do overwrite. |
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| 20:27.08 | ice799 | i see |
| 20:27.19 | ice799 | ok i think the easiest for now will just be to statically link. |
| 20:27.23 | jelly | yes. |
| 20:28.07 | ice799 | i already have an apt repo up with package names that differ from debian but the actual packaged files might clash with something the user has on their system. |
| 20:28.52 | jelly | ice799: you might also check for matching versions of stuff in newer debian releases and provide backports compatible with what's in Debian repos. That's going to be more painful for you. |
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| 20:30.14 | ice799 | jelly: yeah |
| 20:30.20 | ice799 | ok thanks jelly stew thewanderer1 |
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| 20:30.42 | ice799 | will statically link stuff for now see how far that gets me. |
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| 20:31.15 | stew | ice799: do you need newer sonames or newer versions of the same sonames? |
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| 20:33.59 | ice799 | stew: in some cases the former and in others the latter |
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| 20:37.52 | ice799 | stew: that said the other goal is to do RPM releases in addition to deb releases |
| 20:38.20 | ice799 | so statically likning everything lets me avoiding having to worry about getting a set of shared libs working for each system. |
| 20:38.58 | ice799 | althouhgh maybe i just dont know enough about the different ways to solve this problem to be thinking about this clearly. |
| 20:39.02 | karlpinc | ice799: Either way, the reason why package management systems exist is so individual components can be upgraded separately. You don't want to have to keep track of all the bugs in all the libs you use and re-issue your package when there's security problems. |
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| 20:39.32 | siya | Anyone here who can help me figure out why kwalletmanager won't start? I used gnome but Amarok and smb4k both complain about kwallet |
| 20:39.40 | ice799 | karlpinc: well i'd only be statically linking 3 packages, but i agree with what you are saying |
| 20:39.40 | dondelelcaro | ice799: the problem is that when you statically link, you loos e some speed an dd memory compactness, and you also run into problems with security updates. |
| 20:39.48 | siya | seems it's causing a bit of system load as well |
| 20:40.48 | dondelelcaro | ice799: if it were me, I'd try to make sure the necessary packages were in backports, and that your package was there too |
| 20:41.04 | dondelelcaro | ice799: you can work with the maintainers of the necessary packages to make that the case |
| 20:41.07 | ice799 | dondelelcaro: memory compactness yes, but speed is actually the opposite on i386 systems, statically linked is faster. that said i'm not really optimizing for speed. |
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| 20:42.52 | dondelelcaro | ice799: uicdepends, actually, because cache missees adversely impact speed. it's true if your code was the only thing running, but that's almost never the case. |
| 20:43.58 | Saviq | hi, I have a problem with dpkg, I've converted dspam/lenny to source-format 3.0 (quilt) and I can't build the package, the patches are being applied twice |
| 20:43.59 | dondelelcaro | anyway, not that important; the major issue here is security fixes and ease of maintenance |
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| 20:44.08 | pielgrzym | hi, anyone knows a nice way to remove old data from server in a batch? shred plays only with files and can't be recursive :( |
| 20:44.14 | ice799 | dondelelcaro: not completely correct, but off topic for sure. |
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| 20:45.03 | Saviq | there's nothing in rules about patching, it's done by dh7 internally |
| 20:45.06 | dondelelcaro | pielgrzym: recursive in what way? you can run shred on devices if you want |
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| 20:45.30 | dondelelcaro | (you can also invoke it with xargs if you want) |
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| 20:46.17 | pielgrzym | dondelelcaro: didn't know that, thanks for metioning - I'll check the manpage :) |
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| 20:47.10 | Saviq | here's a log from dpkg-source http://paste2.org/p/1199484 |
| 20:47.37 | pielgrzym | dondelelcaro: shred - > /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 20:48.26 | dondelelcaro | pielgrzym: shred /dev/sda1; or even shred /dev/sda; assuming you aren't booting off of sda1 and really want to destroy everything on it |
| 20:48.43 | pielgrzym | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 20:48.44 | thewanderer1 | for block devices, you can decrease the number of passes, right? |
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| 20:49.06 | thewanderer1 | it's not like 25 writes are more secure than 10 for a disk... |
| 20:49.38 | ice799 | it is supposed to be more secure, yes thewanderer1 |
| 20:49.44 | ice799 | but diminishing returns, for sure. |
| 20:49.52 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: the default is 3 |
| 20:49.53 | pielgrzym | thewanderer1: so what should I use then? |
| 20:50.04 | stew | Saviq: the patching isn't done by dh7 for 3.0 (quilt), its done by dpkg-source |
| 20:50.07 | dondelelcaro | but honestly, if you're actually concerned about a determined adversary getting the data, destroy the drive. |
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| 20:50.21 | ice799 | pielgrzym: what dondelelcaro said |
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| 20:50.25 | ice799 | if you are that worried just destroy it |
| 20:50.26 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: the manpage told me the default was 25 I think |
| 20:50.33 | thewanderer1 | but yes, 3 passes should be enough |
| 20:50.39 | pielgrzym | dondelelcaro: it's 3000km away ;) and actually it's not mine ;) I'm afraid someone else will use it ;) |
| 20:50.45 | Saviq | stew: ok then, dpkg-source, why is it trying to apply it twice? |
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| 20:50.58 | Saviq | s/it/them/ |
| 20:51.13 | Saviq | or, what is trying to apply them the second time |
| 20:51.14 | dondelelcaro | pielgrzym: uh... if ti's not yours, you probably shouldn't be doing that... but it's your problem to deal with the legality and ethics of whatever you're doing |
| 20:51.26 | stew | Saviq: which patch is being applied twice? |
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| 20:51.50 | Saviq | stew: see http://paste2.org/p/1199484 ? |
| 20:51.52 | stew | Saviq: i'd guess that you have a patch for a previous version of dspam and at least some parts of that patch were applied upstream to the newer version you are now building against |
| 20:51.59 | stew | Saviq: yes, i'm looking at it |
| 20:52.06 | Saviq | stew: I've migrated the patches |
| 20:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | siya, doesn't it give you an error message that provides a hint when you start it from a shell? |
| 20:52.07 | pielgrzym | dondelelcaro: It's a dedicated server I've been renting for almost 2 years. I'm removing my data in rescue mode and I'll reinstall a clean fs later on, nonetheless ovh won't bother really |
| 20:52.10 | Saviq | with dpatch, though |
| 20:52.17 | Saviq | and wanted to switch to quilt afterwards |
| 20:52.30 | siya | CutMeOwnThroat, so much so I have no idea where to start... |
| 20:52.35 | Saviq | since dpkg-source spat out some errors about modifying the sources |
| 20:52.41 | Nadija | Is there any package to get nice syntax colors in bash? Like for example texteditors |
| 20:52.55 | Saviq | stew: make-daemon-quiet.diff is applied first by dpkg-source (line 12) |
| 20:53.00 | pielgrzym | dondelelcaro: shred won't damage the drive, will it? |
| 20:53.02 | siya | CutMeOwnThroat, "QMetaObject::invokeMethod: No such method KUniqueApplication::loadCommandLineOptionsForNewInstance()" |
| 20:53.03 | Saviq | and then again at line 22 and that's where it fails |
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| 20:53.40 | Saviq | stew: http://paste2.org/p/1199490 here's the rules file |
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| 20:53.52 | Saviq | maybe some dh_ should be removed? |
| 20:54.02 | dondelelcaro | pielgrzym: ah, cool; it shouldn't damage the drive, no |
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| 20:54.14 | dondelelcaro | pielgrzym: however, it may expose an already failing drive |
| 20:54.28 | dondelelcaro | (just by writing to bad sectors, increasing heat, etc.) |
| 20:54.41 | stew | Saviq: no, your rules is fine |
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| 20:54.48 | pielgrzym | dondelelcaro: good :) the drive should be fine then :) |
| 20:55.09 | Saviq | stew: I removed all patch-related stuff from there, as per the debmaintainers guide |
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| 20:56.04 | stew | Saviq: compare the .rej with the unpatched upstream source and see if i'm right that you are trying to apply a patch you shouldn't be |
| 20:56.21 | Saviq | stew: it applies fine on a clean tree |
| 20:56.36 | Saviq | and quilt applies the whole series just fine, too |
| 20:57.51 | Saviq | hmm |
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| 20:58.29 | Saviq | stew: scratch that, I'm having some issues with the patches when applying them in a clean tree... |
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| 20:58.49 | Saviq | I wonder why it isn't happening in the debian tree... |
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| 21:01.36 | Saviq | I must've polluted the tree somewhere along the road :/ |
| 21:03.11 | stew | yay, (likely) release date announced! |
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| 21:03.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | siya, that's the last one before it exits? doesnt look too useful |
| 21:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, which century is it in |
| 21:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 21:05.47 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> lenny (5.0.7) /msg dpkg 5.0.7 | squeeze release planned for 5th/6th Feb 2011 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
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| 21:07.53 | themill | (topicdiff: we have a planned release date for squeeze!) |
| 21:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos... does swscanner in squeeze _not_ crash for anyone? |
| 21:08.18 | lenswipe | dropbox anyone? |
| 21:08.22 | lenswipe | themill, any thoughts? |
| 21:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | the moment it finds an AP, that is... |
| 21:08.42 | themill | lenswipe: I avoid non-free crap like that as much as possible. |
| 21:08.56 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
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| 21:10.30 | acathur | lenswipe: just ask |
| 21:10.48 | lenswipe | acathur, what do you think im doing? |
| 21:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | just 'cause ... if it makes it unusable for everyone that would upgrade that bug to "grave"... |
| 21:10.58 | lenswipe | "<lenswipe> can someone help me - im trying to install dropbox on lenny stable" |
| 21:11.04 | lenswipe | acathur, id say that was asking |
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| 21:11.30 | themill | lenswipe: that you parted and rejoined will usually cause people to stop looking further back for your question |
| 21:11.45 | lenswipe | themill, i didnt part and rejoin |
| 21:11.47 | themill | (it wasn't your fault, it was nickerv's) |
| 21:11.57 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 21:12.03 | lenswipe | was there a netsplit? |
| 21:12.06 | lenswipe | i didnt see anything here |
| 21:12.33 | acathur | lenswipe: so what's the problem? i have it installed on squeeze |
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| 21:12.49 | lenswipe | acathur, im using lenny |
| 21:13.10 | stew | also note that dropbox was recently removed from debian completely |
| 21:13.20 | lenswipe | *rejoices* OH Wonderful!# |
| 21:13.43 | stew | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610300 |
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| 21:14.43 | lenswipe | stew, technically thats not a bug |
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| 21:14.55 | stew | lenswipe: yes, it is |
| 21:15.04 | stew | it's violating policy 2.2.1 which is a bug |
| 21:15.12 | acathur | lenswipe: dude, what's the problem? any error?! how did you install it? |
| 21:15.31 | jhutchins_lt | i thought there were still horrible problems with video, |
| 21:16.07 | DotHack | im using make-kpkg to do some saref pathces on debian kernel. is this a good way to do it? |
| 21:16.07 | lenswipe | acathur, i did it |
| 21:16.14 | lenswipe | stew, ....right. |
| 21:16.54 | stew | and us distributing something we can't legally distribute is certainly a bug |
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| 21:18.45 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 21:19.12 | lenswipe | stew, id say it was a licence violation |
| 21:19.24 | stew | it is, and that is a bug |
| 21:19.27 | Posterdati | please help, I'm running squeeze with kde4 and I have a problem eject dvd/cds, eject works, but the tray closed soon after it was opened... |
| 21:19.40 | Posterdati | then device notifier won't let me eject the media |
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| 21:22.40 | rmayorga | did dpkg have a factoid about the stimates dates for squeeze release ? |
| 21:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | look if/what's using the filesystem with fuser -m /path/to/your/cdrom/ as root |
| 21:22.55 | themill | !wwsr |
| 21:22.55 | dpkg | The squeeze release is planned for the weekend of 5th/6th February. http://lists.debian.org/20110118193635.GC4061@halon.org.uk . There are still some <release critical> bugs to fix, so help is still welcome. |
| 21:22.57 | bzrk_ | rmayorga: yeah it say "when its done" ^^ |
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| 21:23.29 | rmayorga | I remember some random dates provided by users, something like a guessing dates for release |
| 21:23.55 | themill | rmayorga: /msg dpkg squeeze pool |
| 21:24.01 | rmayorga | thanks |
| 21:24.28 | Posterdati | is an udftools issue |
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| 21:25.22 | kirkt | anyone knows how long it takes for NTP to make a 'gradual' clock sync? |
| 21:25.38 | pipeline | kirkt: for fucking ever. Stop ntpd, use ntpdate, start ntpd again. |
| 21:25.49 | pipeline | kirkt: ntpdate just sets the clock straight-up, it'll make your 10,000 second adjustments or whatever it needs. |
| 21:26.07 | kirkt | pipeline: i'd like to avoid radical changes since this is a server in production |
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| 21:26.25 | kirkt | pipeline: as far as i care NTP can take a week to make the sync, only that it should make it gradually |
| 21:26.42 | kirkt | i'm just interested how long it takes and whats the rules/intervals it follows |
| 21:26.45 | pipeline | kirkt: it's gradual. And it could take a week. It will seriously take ages and ages. |
| 21:26.59 | stew | its usually only a few seconds for me |
| 21:27.00 | pipeline | kirkt: you would have to check the docs. NTP doesn't like to make big adjustments. The max is really small. Seconds. |
| 21:27.02 | frikinz | what whas the parameters to udd.debian.org used here again? Seems better than the one in the release email |
| 21:27.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | restarting ntpd will resync now, ntpdate is deprecated |
| 21:27.30 | kirkt | pipeline: doesn't say in the docs. it just says 'small adjustments' |
| 21:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntpdate |
| 21:27.49 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 21:28.13 | pipeline | well there you go |
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| 21:28.30 | pipeline | ntpd apparently makes the huge dump on your clock by default |
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| 21:29.44 | simonrvn | at system boot too, there's the big adjustments made, then ntpd starts |
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| 21:31.51 | cesurasean | Can someone help me with quotas? It doesn't seem to be working on squeeze, and worked fine on lenny. - http://pastebin.com/hHg4QMNy |
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| 21:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | the first is looking for/updating quota.user, the 2nd aquota.user... should both be the latter, no? |
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| 21:47.22 | hiwk | I've installed google earth trhough the make-googleearth-package script on amd64 with nviidia card. graphics work like clockwork, but the fonts (especially the 2d interface font) is fucked up. what am I missing? |
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| 21:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, possibly |
| 21:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dpi |
| 21:48.40 | dpkg | [dpi] Your Dots Per Inch setting affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_millimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config>. http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
| 21:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a bug in google earth? |
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| 21:51.32 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: http://hiwk.se/ge.png |
| 21:52.23 | hiwk | so I doubt it is DPI settings |
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| 21:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're gone |
| 21:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought you meant they are too small/big |
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| 21:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like it's using a font there that doesn't have those characters |
| 21:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... like.. all charcters |
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| 21:57.38 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah :( sorry for not being specific enough. could this be a gtk issue? qt? missing ttf package? |
| 21:57.53 | hiwk | I'm lost, "everything else" works on this compter |
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| 21:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | only time I ever saw the same was with a windows program in wine |
| 21:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and in that case it was a problem in wine that they fixed 7 years later |
| 21:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's in squeeze or lenny? |
| 22:00.18 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: squeeze |
| 22:00.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just making the google package on i386 squeeze... lets see if that looks the same |
| 22:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | for whatever that's worth |
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| 22:04.15 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: I "solved it", so you can stop looking |
| 22:04.39 | hiwk | I stopped X, reinstalled NVIDIA drivers, started up and it was fine |
| 22:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was it, then |
| 22:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh |
| 22:04.51 | hiwk | no idea what the actual problem was |
| 22:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 22:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | on my machine the self-made googleearth package doesn't install |
| 22:05.26 | hiwk | could be some latent x glitch, don't know if I've updated stuff since I restarted last |
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| 22:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, dependency problems |
| 22:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why does it now want to install alien... |
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| 22:17.54 | cesurasean | Can someone help me get quotas installed? I'm getting installation errors... |
| 22:18.06 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/Q8GV5ksp |
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| 22:25.11 | thewanderer1 | how can I see frames which are not forwarded on a bridge? |
| 22:25.34 | thewanderer1 | I have a bridge which is spilling frames i.e. it gets them but does not forward, despite correct arp table entries |
| 22:25.39 | thewanderer1 | err mac table |
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| 22:36.33 | cesurasean | no one is alive in here? |
| 22:36.58 | simonrvn | nope, we're all zombies |
| 22:37.53 | Arrowmaster | brains.... |
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| 22:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ENOBRAIN |
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| 22:46.15 | cesurasean | yeah, apparently. |
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| 22:46.28 | cesurasean | Can someone help me out with quota being difficult on squeeze? |
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| 22:52.14 | simonrvn | what's the problem exactly? |
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| 22:53.04 | frikinz | cesurasean: dpkg-reconfigure quota ? |
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| 22:53.55 | cesurasean | how do i test if quota is up and running? |
| 22:54.03 | cesurasean | I think I've got it, somehow. |
| 22:54.29 | cesurasean | had to rename the quota files to start with an 'a'. The older ones were truncated, so it says... |
| 22:55.02 | blast_hardcheese | How does one fix this problem? I suspect the issue is actually with gnome-terminal, but I have no idea where to even start my research: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/brokenterm.png |
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| 22:57.25 | cesurasean | blast_hardcheese, just press enter, for yes. |
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| 22:57.39 | simonrvn | blast_hardcheese: font/charset |
| 22:57.46 | cesurasean | ohhh |
| 22:57.51 | cesurasean | i see the problem |
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| 22:58.04 | cesurasean | whoops, sorry |
| 22:58.07 | blast_hardcheese | simonrvn: Not termcap or whatever? |
| 22:58.26 | simonrvn | blast_hardcheese: usually no, though that could be a factor |
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| 23:01.31 | parabyte | anyone know how i can run the firefox plugins from a different machine but run a local copy on a different arch? |
| 23:01.33 | parabyte | !!!! |
| 23:01.34 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 23:01.35 | parabyte | ??? |
| 23:01.41 | blast_hardcheese | simonrvn: sorry; Would the charset be set in gnome-terminal or somewhere else? I'm getting this issue when I'm ssh'd into a different box, |
| 23:02.49 | simonrvn | ah well, then you check your locale settings over there |
| 23:03.04 | blast_hardcheese | simonrvn: Awesome, will do. |
| 23:04.31 | Pumba | parabyte: symlink the plugins directory to foreign machine? |
| 23:04.43 | Pumba | anyways, I'm off to bed. Have a nice night everyone :) |
| 23:05.03 | blast_hardcheese | Night Pumba |
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| 23:05.50 | parabyte | Pumba: i tried that with weird results due to indianess |
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| 23:11.40 | blast_hardcheese | simonrvn: Awesome. Apparently gnome-terminal bases its character encoding on the LANG envvar, which is unset on OSX |
| 23:12.19 | blast_hardcheese | I thought this was a problem with my debian server, turns out it's a problem with my x configuration on my mac |
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| 23:12.46 | blast_hardcheese | All fixed now though; I was able to test this by going in the menu, "Set Character Encoding" |
| 23:12.52 | blast_hardcheese | it was set to ascii, should have been UTF-8 |
| 23:12.58 | blast_hardcheese | Ctrl+L and all is well. |
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| 23:17.16 | autojack | at work we package our software as .debs and upload them to an internal apt repo for installation on our boxes. is there a way to run 'apt-get update' on a box and only have it update the cache for the internal repo instead of everything in sources.list? |
| 23:17.39 | autojack | we tried one way and it ended up throwing away the cache from all the other repos and ONLY keeping the cache for our internal repo. not what we want. |
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| 23:19.27 | blast_hardcheese | autojack: We had a similar situation; Our solution was to run our own debian mirror with just the subset of software that was needed; We had a couple scripts to pull down the most recent versions of things and rebuild the package index every night |
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| 23:19.50 | autojack | yeah I thought about that, it's just extra work. |
| 23:19.56 | autojack | I was hoping there was just a command line arg that I was missing :) |
| 23:20.07 | autojack | it seems like a simple feature that one would want. |
| 23:21.07 | jelly-home | if one is named autojack, sure. What's wrong with updating all the package lists? |
| 23:22.36 | jelly-home | I mean, what's the nondesirable effect of doing a normal update that you want to avoid |
| 23:23.25 | autojack | let's say we build our software and deploy it to test boxes ten times a day. |
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| 23:23.49 | autojack | that's ten unnecessary slurps of update data from ftp.us.debian.org, etc |
| 23:24.01 | themill | autojack: with pdiffs enabled, there's little harm in an update; a caching proxy would help. |
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| 23:24.21 | autojack | themill: a caching proxy was the other solution we were looking at. |
| 23:24.29 | autojack | if that's your advice, we'll go with it. |
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| 23:24.37 | autojack | I just wanted to be sure there wasn't something simpler that I was missing. |
| 23:25.06 | autojack | the problem we are experiencing is that occasionally apt-get update takes a long time, due to network latency to one of the Debian mirrors or whatever. |
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| 23:25.30 | autojack | then the deploy scripts time out, chaos ensues, dogs and cats &c &c &c |
| 23:25.32 | tlchack5 | I have a BUNCH of music in my home directory on a debian server with links to them in an FTP user directory. I have an FTP account that can upload to my user directory and they can be accessed via the anonomys ftp user. What I want to set up is a way to stream this music to a program such as Winamp so my cousin can access my music. What would the best approach be? |
| 23:25.37 | themill | autojack: ftp.us has a reputation for that, you might like to pick a specific mirror rather than using the roundrobin. |
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| 23:25.48 | autojack | aha, OK. |
| 23:26.00 | themill | autojack: you could reimplement the local repo index fetching with wget and use apt-cache gencaches |
| 23:26.18 | autojack | tlchack5: this would be the best way: http://ampache.org/ |
| 23:26.40 | autojack | themill: oh, hmmm. I don't know that apt-cache command. |
| 23:27.33 | tlchack5 | autojack: I agree, that does appear to be a kickass program. Thank you good sir |
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| 23:28.16 | autojack | tlchack5: I have used it for years, it's really cool. |
| 23:28.22 | autojack | I'm using it right this minute in fact. |
| 23:29.04 | autojack | themill: I'm not sure how to figure out what file I should be wgetting. |
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| 23:30.12 | babilen | Good evening! I decided to get rid of gnome-settings-daemon in my config and am unfortunately not able to get "ctrl:nocaps" working in X or console. 'setxkbmap -option "ctrl:nocaps"' does what I expect it to do. Further information can be found at: http://paste.debian.net/105008/ |
| 23:30.13 | themill | autojack: "apt-get --print-uris update" will list what apt would have retrieved |
| 23:30.51 | autojack | got it |
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| 23:32.08 | Varakh | hi. are there any newer kernel pkgs already build to download or do i have to build it on my own? |
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| 23:32.57 | themill | Varakh: for which release? |
| 23:33.12 | Varakh | any higher than latest stable :D |
| 23:33.21 | Varakh | like 32, 34, 36? |
| 23:33.27 | themill | ,kernel --release lenny-backports |
| 23:33.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1) |
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| 23:33.54 | Varakh | okay, so just apt-get install lenny-backports? :D |
| 23:34.07 | themill | Varakh: no, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:34.58 | autojack | themill: where are those files supposed to be placed after they're downloaded? not in /var/cache/apt it looks like... |
| 23:35.26 | Varakh | thanks |
| 23:36.08 | autojack | oops, I see. |
| 23:36.08 | themill | autojack: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 23:36.10 | autojack | yep |
| 23:36.19 | autojack | was using the wrong thing with find |
| 23:36.56 | autojack | OK, I think I see how we would do it. |
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| 23:41.45 | kingsley | What's the name of the most commonly installed package? |
| 23:42.29 | dvs | lsb-base? |
| 23:42.37 | themill | dpkg: tell kingsley about popcon |
| 23:42.43 | icebrain | hi, is there any gpg keyring manager with an ncurses interface? |
| 23:42.50 | icebrain | (in debian, of course) |
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| 23:46.27 | kingsley | themill: Great. Thanks. |
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| 23:54.04 | babilen | Good evening! I decided to get rid of gnome-settings-daemon in my config and am unfortunately not able to get "ctrl:nocaps" working in X or console. 'setxkbmap -option "ctrl:nocaps"' does what I expect it to do. Further information can be found at: http://paste.debian.net/105010/ -- Any pointers? |
| 23:54.56 | autojack | themill: 'apt-get --print-uris update' shows some things being downloaded from our repo that I can't figure out where they're stored. like the .gpg files and so on. I only see _binary_Packages and _source_Packages in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 23:56.30 | themill | autojack: Release.gpg should be in /var/lib/apt/lists/ too |
| 23:57.31 | autojack | I don't have *Release.gpg anywhere on my system. |
| 23:58.07 | amphi | babilen: you mean the setxkbmap doesn't do what you expect? |
| 23:58.52 | babilen | amphi: It does. But I don't want to run it whenever I start X and would prefer to have this setting in my console as well. |
| 23:59.33 | amphi | babilen: what's the problem with putting the command in your ~/.xsession? I still have my old xmodmap set up for doing that |
| 23:59.41 | babilen | amphi: The point is that *everything* looks like as if "ctrl:nocaps" has been recognised/activated. It just doesn't work. |
| 23:59.51 | Arrowmaster | babilen: in squeeze it should be easy to do that with /etc/default/keyboard |
