| 00:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | So they should be presenting the array as a single device, not as seperate drives that mdadmin has to assemble. |
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| 00:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | This could point to the source of the problem. |
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| 00:02.36 | jhutchins_lt | Layering two different raid systems could slow things down. |
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| 00:03.31 | SexyKen | jhutchins: I do see one drive. That's all I see. Where did mdadm come into this ? |
| 00:03.47 | jhutchins_lt | SexyKen: Mis-reading the scrollback I suppose. |
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| 00:04.41 | SexyKen | I reckon so ;-) |
| 00:05.40 | SexyKen | The HOSTRAID being faster than the dedicated raid is just ridiculously annoying. |
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| 00:19.46 | jelly-home | SexyKen: could be you need to reconfigure your cards (BIOS or a vendor-specific tool) from some conservative default value, or plug in a battery |
| 00:20.49 | jelly-home | SexyKen: what's the write performance if you create a 1-disk raid0 "array"? |
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| 00:21.38 | jelly-home | (ie. use a single disk) |
| 00:22.18 | stew | omglol raid0 isn't raid. if you lose that disk you'll lose all the data! |
| 00:22.49 | jelly-home | omglol ITS FOR TESTING |
| 00:23.27 | abrotman | thinks some sarcasm was lost ... |
| 00:23.44 | stew | abrotlol |
| 00:23.47 | jelly-home | definitely :-( |
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| 00:25.01 | jelly-home | ...disregard that |
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| 00:25.33 | SexyKen | Well, if I enable write caching (raid card doesn't have battery support)...I get a whopping 15-30mb mostly 20ish |
| 00:25.51 | jelly-home | "something is wrong" |
| 00:26.02 | SexyKen | You think? ;-) |
| 00:26.29 | jelly-home | (and wth buys 5 hw raid cards without battery backed cache?) |
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| 00:27.22 | jelly-home | ok, these days a cap and some flash can replace the battery |
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| 00:29.10 | SexyKen | Well - they didn't have the LPZCR3 at the time, which ... that has a battery backed cache. |
| 00:29.12 | jelly-home | it could really be some low-end product, what's their lspci -nn line look like? |
| 00:30.00 | SexyKen | 09:01.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: Adaptec AAC-RAID [9005:0285] (rev 02) |
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| 00:30.23 | jelly-home | ,pciid 9005:0285 |
| 00:30.24 | judd | [9005:0285] is 'AAC-RAID' from 'Adaptec' with kernel module 'aacraid' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=9005:0285 |
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| 00:32.06 | SexyKen | ..Seems it works for some people... |
| 00:32.08 | jelly-home | oh dear, there's a million products under that pciid, starting probably from the first one in 2001 |
| 00:32.19 | SexyKen | ? |
| 00:32.31 | SexyKen | According to judd, it's exactly what I have in my system. |
| 00:32.52 | himuraken | Not that it helps in this situation SexyKen, but I have had nothing but great experiences with 3ware under Debian and Linux in general. |
| 00:33.07 | SexyKen | lol - Why thank you :-) |
| 00:33.34 | himuraken | SexyKen, are all of the drives sas? |
| 00:33.53 | abrotman | as opposed to half PATA, half SAS? |
| 00:33.58 | himuraken | SATA |
| 00:34.00 | himuraken | ? |
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| 00:34.39 | himuraken | Asking, because I have seen such lack luster speeds as those above when using the WD EARS 4K drives. |
| 00:34.49 | himuraken | If not sector aligned etc. |
| 00:35.36 | jelly-home | 15krpm drives are not large enough to need 4K sectors yet |
| 00:36.00 | SexyKen | All SAS. |
| 00:36.03 | karlpinc_ | himuraken: Now that you mention it, somebody a few days ago was haveing slow write problems with wd "green" drives. That could have been sector alignment too. |
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| 00:36.19 | SexyKen | Just 2 drives, a single RAID1 mirror. |
| 00:37.09 | SexyKen | The SATA drives in my other machines perform just as poorly. |
| 00:37.27 | SexyKen | All machines are identical motherboards, raid cards, etc. |
| 00:38.39 | karlpinc_ | bolt: Was it you with the wd green raid5 array? |
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| 00:41.51 | jelly-home | SexyKen: how are you testing write throughput? |
| 00:43.31 | SexyKen | dd and iostat |
| 00:44.04 | jelly-home | dd to the device, or to a file? Which filesystem? Not that it matters much |
| 00:44.14 | SexyKen | To a file, ext3. |
| 00:44.45 | jelly-home | SexyKen: you didn't do something silly like leave the default block size? :-) |
| 00:45.04 | jelly-home | bs=1M might be nice |
| 00:45.05 | xk | how to disable init script from starting up in squeeze? |
| 00:45.26 | SexyKen | mmm - I dont think it's silly - but I did. 4k block size (what's wrong with that?) These are 73gb SAS drives ;-) |
| 00:45.30 | SexyKen | 20480000000 bytes (20 GB) copied, 925.476 s, 22.1 MB/s |
| 00:46.12 | SexyKen | Still wouldn't explain why the HOSTRaid is faster ;-) |
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| 00:47.39 | himuraken | One sec, I have a mirror of 36GB SAS on / |
| 00:47.50 | himuraken | SexyKen, paste your dd and I will run the same over here. |
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| 00:48.33 | jelly-home | SexyKen: killing GNU dd with USR1 makes it display stats and continue working |
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| 00:49.51 | jelly-home | SexyKen: have you pastebinned a couple screens of iostat -mx 1 or something similar by any chance? |
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| 00:55.36 | jelly-home | with a decent cpu bs=4k shouldn't make cpu the bottleneck |
| 00:56.30 | jelly-home | SexyKen: just for fun, pastebin also: for i in queue/hw_sector_size queue/logical_block_size queue/physical_block_size queue/optimal_io_size alignment_offset; do printf "%-30s %s\n" $i "$(cat /sys/block/sda/$i);" done |
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| 00:57.13 | jelly-home | some of those won't be available in 2.6.26 but I don't really know which |
| 00:57.54 | jelly-home | SexyKen: might want to upgrade to 2.6.32 from lenny-backports to get that data out |
| 00:58.57 | jelly-home | oops, s/;"/";/ |
| 01:00.22 | SexyKen | jelly-home: I have not... |
| 01:00.25 | SexyKen | I am running 2.6.32 |
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| 01:01.05 | SexyKen | I'm running 2x Quad Core Xeon 5430's (2.66Ghz, 1333mhz FSB, 12mb cache per core) |
| 01:01.21 | abrotman | so slow! |
| 01:01.23 | xk | per core? :> |
| 01:01.38 | dvs | olny? |
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| 01:01.42 | dvs | ha |
| 01:02.03 | xk | or per socket? :o |
| 01:02.33 | jelly-home | xk: 1333MHz _per core_ |
| 01:02.42 | xk | I mean the cache |
| 01:02.58 | SexyKen | Yes, it has 12MB cache per core. |
| 01:03.08 | himuraken | ... |
| 01:03.09 | xk | so 48MB per socket? |
| 01:03.11 | himuraken | FAIL |
| 01:03.27 | himuraken | SexyKen, can you pastebin your dd command? |
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| 01:05.22 | SexyKen | http://pastebin.com/Uh9q9zwm |
| 01:07.17 | himuraken | Try this out of curiosity: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1M count=10000 ; dd if=foo of=/dev/null bs=1M |
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| 01:08.20 | zz5-ux | i compiled glib 2.4.0 from source on debian lenny, and installed pkg-config from apt. I am getting an error when starting iceweazel now.. "Couldn't load XPCOM." |
| 01:08.45 | zz5-ux | i also have libglib2.0-0 (2.16.6-3) that was already installed, and shows with dpkg -l |
| 01:09.49 | zz5-ux | its possible that all gtk apps are now broken |
| 01:10.34 | SexyKen | himuraken: It's running. |
| 01:10.49 | himuraken | SexyKen, same |
| 01:10.56 | zz5-ux | i also installed pidgin from backports, i'm not sure if that has done this |
| 01:11.15 | SexyKen | Might be about 10 minutes. |
| 01:11.19 | SexyKen | You're running one as well? |
| 01:11.25 | himuraken | Running yours |
| 01:11.30 | himuraken | To compare. |
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| 01:11.42 | SexyKen | Gotcha. |
| 01:12.07 | SexyKen | Are you running a hardware raid with SAS drives as well? |
| 01:12.18 | himuraken | Yeah 36GB 15K |
| 01:12.23 | himuraken | You are going to fill my disks |
| 01:12.24 | himuraken | RAID1` |
| 01:12.28 | SexyKen | lol |
| 01:12.38 | SexyKen | It happens :-) |
| 01:12.49 | himuraken | I have three 300 15K and four 146 15K.... |
| 01:12.55 | himuraken | to small for home :-( |
| 01:13.15 | SexyKen | Nice...what for? |
| 01:13.17 | himuraken | Later I can rerun your test on my 6xSATAII RAID6. |
| 01:13.27 | himuraken | SexyKen, currently those drives are sitting. |
| 01:13.36 | himuraken | They are used for paper weights and dust collection. |
| 01:13.44 | SexyKen | I find that when they're sitting, is when they run the best. |
| 01:13.54 | himuraken | Couldnt bring myself to waste them for the 3-5GB Debian takes up on / XD |
| 01:14.08 | himuraken | Yeah they will never fail in their current position. |
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| 01:14.39 | himuraken | All I know is that updates, upgrades and boots are fun. I hear the grinding joyful sound of sas and its done. |
| 01:14.49 | himuraken | the SATA RAID6 is fast too, but I wish it were SAS |
| 01:15.42 | SexyKen | Ohh, got me some results. |
| 01:15.47 | jelly-home | everything's fast when you have lots of spindles |
| 01:15.48 | himuraken | spill it |
| 01:16.00 | jelly-home | ... except SexyKen's machines |
| 01:16.10 | himuraken | jelly-home, this is quite true, even better when those spindles are at 15 instead of 7.2 |
| 01:16.14 | himuraken | poor SexyKen |
| 01:16.36 | jelly-home | himuraken: 24 7200 disks beat 6 15krpm ;-) |
| 01:16.44 | himuraken | In IOPS? |
| 01:16.52 | jelly-home | maaybe |
| 01:16.53 | himuraken | Also depends on RAID level. |
| 01:16.56 | SexyKen | http://pastebin.com/F1BmikJs |
| 01:16.57 | himuraken | But for the most part, I agree |
| 01:17.33 | himuraken | So SexyKen that last bit was the read test, looks like it was cached. |
| 01:17.38 | jelly-home | amazing 27MB/s |
| 01:17.43 | himuraken | No way a RAID1 hit 2.7GBps |
| 01:17.46 | himuraken | XD |
| 01:17.56 | SexyKen | Of course, iostat is still writing to the disk. |
| 01:18.11 | SexyKen | Yes - likely was in memory (16gb - hence the previous 20GB used for testing) |
| 01:18.30 | himuraken | Yeha I normally use 2M on that test, but I am crunched for time :-) |
| 01:18.31 | himuraken | 20480000000 bytes (20 GB) copied, 367.798 s, 55.7 MB/s |
| 01:18.53 | SexyKen | Whose is that? |
| 01:18.57 | himuraken | Thats on a AMD quad with 8GB of RAM. Mine. |
| 01:19.29 | SexyKen | Hmm, you did 2M blocks, or that's an old test? |
| 01:19.44 | jelly-home | 1M, 2M shouldn't be any real difference |
| 01:19.48 | himuraken | I ran: dd if=/dev/zero of=bf bs=4k count=5000000 |
| 01:20.00 | himuraken | jelly-home, makes a large difference in this case, 10 or 20GB |
| 01:20.11 | jelly-home | himuraken: not in speed |
| 01:20.20 | jelly-home | er, throughput |
| 01:20.35 | himuraken | jelly-home, correct, just trying to be sure to defeat caching. |
| 01:20.59 | himuraken | SexyKen, I am running your test again against the raid6. Then I am running before the wife starts shooting XD |
| 01:20.59 | Bop | himuraken, hdparm -tT /dev/whatever |
| 01:21.13 | himuraken | Bop, I dont have whatever attached right now. |
| 01:21.13 | jelly-home | himuraken: oh... man proc, /drop_caches |
| 01:21.28 | himuraken | Bop, you want me to hdparm the sas raid1 or sata raid6? |
| 01:21.34 | Bop | yeah |
| 01:21.37 | himuraken | ... |
| 01:21.38 | Bop | both |
| 01:21.40 | SexyKen | Which is it? |
| 01:21.41 | SexyKen | lol |
| 01:21.48 | himuraken | Let me cancel the sexytest |
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| 01:21.54 | SexyKen | lol |
| 01:22.00 | himuraken | 17064710144 bytes (17 GB) copied, 102.791 s, 166 MB/s |
| 01:22.06 | himuraken | That was where DD was when I stopped it |
| 01:22.14 | SexyKen | lol, Should have let it finish ;-) |
| 01:22.21 | himuraken | The read on that array is something like 300 usually |
| 01:22.21 | Bop | hdparm it !! |
| 01:22.25 | himuraken | doing |
| 01:22.54 | jelly-home | hdparm... "because beginning of the paltter is the fastest part" |
| 01:23.00 | SexyKen | I have a raid10 with 4x 1TB SATA junkers from hitcahi. |
| 01:23.11 | himuraken | Timing cached reads: 6484 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3243.24 MB/sec |
| 01:23.11 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.15 | himuraken | That was sas |
| 01:23.33 | jelly-home | that's quite low |
| 01:23.36 | Bop | yeap |
| 01:23.37 | Bop | lol |
| 01:23.43 | jelly-home | like one device low |
| 01:23.46 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.46 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.51 | Bop | that's better |
| 01:23.52 | himuraken | Yeah it was reading of single |
| 01:24.04 | jelly-home | himuraken: just like md raid1 does \o/ |
| 01:24.08 | himuraken | Yep |
| 01:24.13 | Bop | 251 is good |
| 01:24.15 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.15 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.24 | himuraken | SexyKen, what drive is that? |
| 01:24.36 | SexyKen | That's the raid device /dev/sda |
| 01:24.39 | himuraken | To be fair, this isnt some space ship, its my home wkstn |
| 01:24.44 | himuraken | That seems fine then SexyKen |
| 01:24.49 | Bop | 87 is low |
| 01:24.53 | himuraken | That is decent |
| 01:24.59 | Bop | i have 65 MB with a 160 GB shitty HDD |
| 01:25.01 | himuraken | Well, 15K sas ought to be higher. |
| 01:25.13 | jelly-home | and an array of those even |
| 01:25.16 | himuraken | He is only 5 slower than mine with a similar drive |
| 01:25.34 | himuraken | It appears that SexyKen and my RAID1's are reading single disk. |
| 01:25.53 | Bop | yeah , sounds right |
| 01:25.56 | SexyKen | I can get it faster.... |
| 01:25.59 | himuraken | Got my 2900 8xSATA sitting next to me, could fire er up... |
| 01:26.10 | himuraken | stripe size SexyKen ? |
| 01:26.28 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.29 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:26.32 | SexyKen | No stripe size, RAID1 |
| 01:26.38 | jelly-home | Bop: 15k rpm drives aren't used for sequential speed, they're used for random io |
| 01:26.48 | himuraken | duh |
| 01:27.08 | Bop | ok jelly-home |
| 01:27.13 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.13 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.16 | himuraken | Thats better |
| 01:27.24 | SexyKen | That's the RAID1 SAS? |
| 01:27.26 | Bop | wich one is that ? |
| 01:27.29 | himuraken | raid6 |
| 01:27.31 | SexyKen | ah. |
| 01:27.43 | himuraken | horrible horrible seagate 1.5TB drives. |
| 01:27.49 | SexyKen | How about my little QNAP with 1TB Hitachi a7k1000 ultrastar or whatever |
| 01:27.55 | himuraken | shoot it |
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| 01:28.00 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.00 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.07 | himuraken | let me rerun the sas array |
| 01:28.07 | SexyKen | Wait |
| 01:28.10 | SexyKen | Wrong console |
| 01:28.11 | SexyKen | lol |
| 01:28.28 | himuraken | /dev/sda: |
| 01:28.28 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.28 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.35 | Bop | better |
| 01:29.01 | himuraken | /dev/sda: |
| 01:29.01 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.01 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.02 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.02 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.05 | himuraken | OK Im feeling better now |
| 01:29.16 | himuraken | So is that a double dip or one doing better? |
| 01:29.23 | himuraken | Damn this RAID1 |
| 01:29.28 | himuraken | I usually use RAID10 |
| 01:30.00 | himuraken | Hitting mid 150's now on RAID1/sas |
| 01:30.22 | SexyKen | That last one is my crap little QNAP. |
| 01:30.37 | himuraken | Better than I thought it would be. |
| 01:30.38 | SexyKen | Doing reads only a midget short of my RAID1 15k SAS drives. |
| 01:30.54 | himuraken | My old buffalo and LaCies were horrible on performance. |
| 01:31.17 | himuraken | Gotta run guys, I will check the scroll back again later. |
| 01:32.39 | SexyKen | Okie DOkie. |
| 01:34.07 | jelly-home | that aacraid.ko has quite a number of tunables |
| 01:34.24 | jelly-home | (modinfo aacraid) |
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| 01:38.41 | happyhobo | Hi jelly-home I got my home associated and I'm upgraded to sid. |
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| 01:40.01 | happyhobo | How do I install gnome-shell? apt-get installl gnome-shell doesn't work |
| 01:41.47 | abrotman | it's not in sid ? |
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| 01:45.23 | dvs | 88 RC bugs? >>>>>Yay |
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| 01:46.18 | happyhobo1 | How do I install gnome-shell? Is there a special repository? |
| 01:46.32 | happyhobo1 | So far this feels like a suppository. |
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| 01:47.00 | happyhobo1 | Hi Dis0 |
| 01:47.23 | happyhobo1 | Can I please get some help? |
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| 01:49.12 | happyhobo1 | qq-: guenter- Hi |
| 01:49.35 | abrotman | happyhobo1: gnome-shell is not in sid .. it's only in experimental .. |
| 01:50.34 | happyhobo1 | Ok how do I get the experimental repository? |
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| 01:52.30 | happyhobo1 | I could get gnome-shell with ubuntu 10.04 last April. I got tired of fighting with ubuntu to keep gnome-shell with their latest. I don't like unity, unity is awful. |
| 01:53.26 | happyhobo1 | Now I have to fight just to get gnome-shell. Linux can be so much fun. |
| 01:54.21 | happyhobo1 | abrotman: How do I get the experimental repositories? |
| 01:54.23 | jelly-home | happyhobo1: it's a half-assed never finished piece of... work, and that's the ride you signed up for |
| 01:54.40 | jelly-home | happyhobo1: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 01:56.21 | happyhobo1 | That didn't give me a repository jelly-home. |
| 01:57.43 | happyhobo1 | I'm aware that experimental is dangerous, I've used linux for 6 years. |
| 01:58.11 | happyhobo1 | jelly-home: please tell me the repository |
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| 01:58.49 | happyhobo1 | Hi Dunkan_Aidaho |
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| 01:59.50 | AgentSmith | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:00.45 | AgentSmith | is back (gone 00:00:16) |
| 02:01.43 | AgentSmith | is away: disappears for a while |
| 02:01.45 | Tramp | !tell AgentSmith -about away |
| 02:02.09 | happyhobo1 | Tramp: do you know how to get the experimental repository? |
| 02:02.50 | Tramp | !experimental |
| 02:02.50 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 02:02.54 | Tramp | that's all I know |
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| 02:03.21 | abrotman | he could have asked google ages ago .. |
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| 02:06.25 | zz5-ux | i have libglib 2.16.6-3 installed (default on lenny) and i installed glib 2.4.0 from source now all gtk apps are broken, should i ask for -reinstall of 2.16.6-3 package? or will that break it more |
| 02:06.32 | happyhobo1 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental |
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| 02:08.09 | zz5-ux | the erorr is: Couldn't load XPCOM. (from firefox) and... symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_hash_table_ref (error from pidgin) |
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| 02:10.45 | happyhobo1 | Oh no I don't like gnome-shell in its latest form, it's almost as bad as unity. |
| 02:10.59 | abrotman | all that work ... |
| 02:12.39 | beat | Any debian "salesman" that would be interested in trying to "convert" me to debian? :p |
| 02:13.12 | Roksteady | beat: What are you currently using and why aren't you already using Debian? |
| 02:14.17 | beat | Roksteady: for the past 2 years I've been using arch linux. Are you familiar with it? |
| 02:14.17 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 02:14.17 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 02:14.46 | zz5-ux | i am considering doing "dkpg --force-verwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libnss3-1d_3.12.3.1-0lenn1_i386.deb" which might fix it, but checking here first as I don't want the system to become inoperable anymore than it is |
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| 02:18.53 | beat | I know most of the arguments of why running debian and I believe in them, but there are still some things that hold me back. One of the main reasons that make me willing to switch is that debian is a major distro, it's been around for the past 15+ years and it will most likely still be around in the next 15+ years. |
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| 02:19.18 | Enf | hi all |
| 02:19.31 | beat | So, although I don't plan on being a linux sysadmin or anythin, I'd rather learn something that is widely adopted and used. |
| 02:19.31 | Enf | is it possible to upgrade a package required in dependencies instead of it being removed? |
| 02:20.29 | Enf | scenario: package1 requires package2 (< 1.0), and if I upgrade package2 to 1.1, it'll remove package1. Is there a way to ask it to upgrade package1 instead of removing it? |
| 02:20.36 | Roksteady | I think debian is superior in ideology |
| 02:20.45 | abrotman | beat: why wouldn't you want Debian .. shoulodn't we try to address that ? |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | Enf: that only works if an update is available |
| 02:21.16 | happyhobo1 | abrotman: because it gets unstable and dangerous if you want the latest packages. |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | happyhobo1: maybe for you .. many people don't have an issue, they know what they're doing |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | don't generalize |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | happyhobo1: now how about you let him answer .. your answer isn't very useful |
| 02:22.19 | Enf | abrotman: The update is available on the repo, but it's not upgrading it? |
| 02:22.28 | stew | Enf: what command are you using to upgrade package2? |
| 02:22.29 | beat | Okay, first question then. Has you might conclude from me using Arch Linux, I prefer a rolling-distro model and I also prefer bleeding edge software. I would probably run testing (or may be sid?) but I have some apprehension since it is not officialy supported. |
| 02:22.50 | Enf | abrotman: I defined it in debian/control - Depends: package2(< 1.0) |
| 02:22.58 | Roksteady | beat: Freud would describe anyone following the debian way as anally retentive, and when it comes to keeping order in a system, i think being anal is a very good quality :) |
| 02:23.00 | Enf | stew: apt-get upgrade |
| 02:23.02 | stew | beat: what is your definition of a "rolling distro"? and what do you mean by "officially supported"? |
| 02:23.04 | abrotman | beat: using testing is probably a better bet, but things occasionally get dicey .. fair warning .. and it does freeze near release |
| 02:23.09 | Enf | stew: Sorry, apt-get install package1=version |
| 02:23.29 | jordanm | stew: rolling basically means there is no stable |
| 02:23.58 | stew | jordanm: that's his definition or yours? we get differing definitions in here all the time |
| 02:24.19 | beat | stew: thats what i meant ;) |
| 02:24.19 | jordanm | stew: regular updates push things down the pipe like a default switch from python2.7->python3 |
| 02:24.29 | jordanm | stew: I believe it is everyones :) |
| 02:24.34 | stew | jordanm: its not |
| 02:24.43 | beat | abrotman: Yes I know testing is not exactly rolling as it freezes near the end of releases. |
| 02:24.54 | stew | Enf: you mean package2 i assume. you can "apt-get install package1=version pacakge2=version" you could probably "apt-get install package1 pacakge2=version" though I'd recomend just using aptitude which is smarter |
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| 02:24.55 | beat | Second question, what the hell is the deal with python? |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | beat: ? |
| 02:25.07 | stew | jordanm: there you go, testing isn't exactly rolling... |
| 02:25.12 | jordanm | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release |
| 02:25.22 | jordanm | stew: I didn't say that it was |
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| 02:25.43 | abrotman | beat: what about python? |
| 02:25.50 | beat | I come from a distro where python3 is the default (bold move i know) |
| 02:26.03 | beat | and on debian python2.7 isn't even on experimental |
| 02:26.03 | jordanm | which I just critised I think :P |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | beat: as you pointed out, testing is frozen .. so stuff is kind of at a standstill until that happens .. python3 was too new to be considered stable probably |
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| 02:26.35 | abrotman | (totally ignoring the whole maintainer issue) |
| 02:27.04 | jordanm | I haven't seen an update on that CTTE bug in a while. not since the DPL posted to it.... |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | judd: versions python3 |
| 02:27.30 | judd | Package python3 on i386 -- sid: 3.1.3-12; squeeze: 3.1.3-12; experimental: 3.2~b2-1 |
| 02:27.39 | stew | jordanm: many people would define testing as a rolling release |
| 02:28.16 | stew | judd: versions python2.7 |
| 02:28.18 | judd | Package python2.7 on i386 -- experimental: 2.7.1-3 |
| 02:28.19 | Roksteady | rolling release is the opposite of redhat |
| 02:28.24 | jordanm | stew: CUT would be, if it were implemented |
| 02:28.53 | beat | I've read about CUT, is that going to happen? |
| 02:28.54 | Enf | stew: But shouldn't it be handled automatically, instead of me having to specify the install? |
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| 02:29.03 | abrotman | beat: so you can get python2.6 and python3 in testing currently |
| 02:29.04 | jordanm | beat: hopefully, no |
| 02:29.06 | abrotman | !debian cut |
| 02:29.06 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | not much updated info since |
| 02:29.16 | stew | Enf: show me the output of "apt-cache policy package1 package2" |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | in a pastebin! |
| 02:29.28 | jordanm | beat: how does the bleeding edge python benefit you? |
| 02:29.37 | beat | jordanm: why are you against it? |
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| 02:30.18 | stew | 2.7 wouldn't make much sense as default python, 3.0 would, but not in stable currently, especially since so much has to change in so many python packages, and we're about to release |
| 02:30.35 | stew | and therefore it doesn't make sense for 3.0 to be the default python in testing or unstable currently |
| 02:30.37 | Enf | stew: http://pastebin.com/qcpEajTe |
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| 02:30.44 | jordanm | beat: I like the stable releases of debian, and I think that CUT would sort-of split the effort into debian |
| 02:30.48 | norbert | hi boys and girls |
| 02:31.00 | norbert | I currently have to choose whether or not to remove ffmpeg |
| 02:31.01 | stew | Enf: wrong channel, please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 02:31.05 | norbert | here's why http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/338/cinelerra.png |
| 02:31.08 | norbert | any ideas? |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | jordanm: did you go to the CUT talk? |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | knows stew didn't .. slacker! |
| 02:31.40 | beat | stew: I know that making python3 the default would take a lot of work. Lots of stuff to repackage. |
| 02:31.46 | jordanm | abrotman: no, but i read the write-ups after. the conference room was full by the time i got there |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | oh, that's right .. |
| 02:31.55 | stew | abrotman: :( |
| 02:31.56 | Enf | stew: but for packages, it should be similar right? |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | stew: it's okay .. we still love you :) |
| 02:32.05 | stew | Enf: i don't know, ask #ubuntu |
| 02:32.22 | beat | jordanm: I guess CUT would probably be aimed at desktop users, but I can see what you mean, extra effort would be required. |
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| 02:33.15 | jordanm | beat: stable makes an excellent desktop for those who want their desktop to work |
| 02:33.28 | stew | norbert: use apt-mark to mark the packages as not automatically installed if you want to keep them |
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| 02:35.46 | beat | jordanm: I can see what you mean but we have different opinions on that. Although I don't think running newer software necessarily means instability, I don't mind the ocasional breakage on a desktop machine. |
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| 02:37.24 | jordanm | beat: in production environments "occassional breakage" is downtime for the users.. and often a big deal |
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| 02:37.33 | jordanm | as a hobbiest I understand though |
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| 02:39.53 | beat | jordanm: okay. I'm probably not the only one trying to run a bleeding-edge debian. I guess there are a lot more people also running testing on their pc's and it's probably really stable. |
| 02:40.29 | stew | beat: note that in debian "stable" means "not changing" instead of "not crashing" |
| 02:40.30 | jordanm | beat: by debian's definition of stable, it is not at all |
| 02:41.06 | beat | I really have to get my vocabulary sorted out :p |
| 02:42.05 | SexyKen | Well, I've been bitching about my poor RAID performance write being pathetic for 3 days now and finally might have a reason. |
| 02:42.08 | beat | I definitely dont want stable then, I want things to change, but I also want things not to crash or at least not to crash too often. |
| 02:42.31 | jordanm | beat: how do you benefit from the repeat change? |
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| 02:43.15 | beat | mainly as an hobbyist, trying new things out |
| 02:44.11 | beat | and yes, I know where this is going. I probably don't need change for 99% of the packages I have installed. |
| 02:44.44 | happyhobo1 | gnome-shell was awesome and now it's beyond lame. |
| 02:44.51 | jordanm | beat: stable offers backports from testing |
| 02:45.12 | beat | I can just get testing/sid versions of maybe 10-15 packages that I may be look out and be interested in changes |
| 02:46.00 | jordanm | beat: mixing releases is rarely a good idea |
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| 02:46.20 | beat | dependencies right? |
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| 02:46.44 | ross` | where can i find the small cd iso on this mirror: http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ |
| 02:46.48 | jordanm | yes, even with proper pinnings, you could have a package pull in a chain of depends that upgrades you to the > release |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | ross`: the netinst? it's not there |
| 02:47.19 | beat | yeh, I can see that happening and screwing things up completely. |
| 02:47.29 | beat | Another question, for me one the biggest selling points in arch linux its the wiki. I wasn't able to find a similar centralised repository of up-to-date pratical information for debian. There is a lot of information on debian but pratical information seems to be scattered around the internet. |
| 02:47.35 | ross` | abrotman: what mirrors have it |
| 02:47.36 | ross` | ? |
| 02:47.44 | ross` | im getting 30 kbit off the standard debian link |
| 02:48.10 | SexyKen | Do you all think that the Intel Xeon 5430 Quad Core Xeon 2.66Ghz 12MB Cache, 1333mhz FSB CPU's are decent when paired up? |
| 02:48.11 | ajikeshi | beat, yes.. and now imagine the archlinux wiki being down... and looking for help/information |
| 02:48.12 | beat | By pratical information I mean step-by-step on doing something. Call me lazy but it is useful to have such information available and up-to-date. |
| 02:48.12 | jordanm | beat: we have a wiki, and a bot full of information |
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| 02:48.36 | ross` | or can i get a torrent file for this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/debian-507-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:48.39 | ross` | ? |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | ross`: uhm .. ftp.ch.debian.org had it last i looked |
| 02:50.07 | nsadmin | so last time I ws here, I was working on getting my X going under squeeze, which was harder than expected; still not done yet. but in the process I located some bad ram which I removed. |
| 02:50.08 | jordanm | beat: also, there is quite a bit of officially written documentation. manpages for config files, etc |
| 02:50.12 | jordanm | !tell beat about grounding |
| 02:50.32 | SexyKen | ross: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/bt-cd/debian-507-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 02:50.32 | beat | ajikeshi: didn't think about that before but it's kind of a fundamentalist argument though. from that same point of view wikipedia might be a bad thing. |
| 02:50.37 | ross` | abrotman: thta is still pretty slow |
| 02:50.38 | ross` | SexyKen: ill try that one |
| 02:50.48 | ajikeshi | beat, no... because its cached and forked... |
| 02:51.13 | jordanm | beat: gentoo at one time lost their wiki database with no backup |
| 02:51.22 | nsadmin | beat, fundamentalist sounds religious to me... what's up with that? |
| 02:51.24 | jordanm | they had to start over |
| 02:51.41 | ajikeshi | and i think.. that the wikipedia has more capabilities of making it available even with technical problems |
| 02:52.01 | nsadmin | the wiki thing on github has wikis each backed by a git repo |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 02:52.23 | beat | nsadmin: it was probably the wrong word lol i was trying to imply that it's kind of sticking to a theoretical reason, and not really pratical |
| 02:52.37 | SexyKen | ross: How's it working out for you? |
| 02:52.39 | beat | that explanation is probably also not very clear lol |
| 02:52.56 | ross` | SexyKen: Sexy :D |
| 02:53.01 | ross` | 24s rem |
| 02:53.14 | nsadmin | theoretical reasoning has grounding when it's manifest |
| 02:53.16 | ross` | thank you |
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| 02:54.00 | beat | what's the absolute initial documentation I should read for understanding the basic working of the distro? Like, package management, daemons, init. |
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| 02:54.13 | cubuanic_ | hello, i have trouble with configuring email-in.pl for bugzilla. is there someone who can help, please? |
| 02:54.13 | SexyKen | ;-) |
| 02:54.20 | jordanm | !tell beat about reference |
| 02:54.20 | ajikeshi | beat, but i think the main reason is... that more independent people are talking about debian.. and solving problems... so the information will be scattered unless someone puts it all together |
| 02:54.28 | Chelsea | Hi all, how does one set an alias from within a script? |
| 02:54.39 | karlpinc_ | beat: I'd say the link in overview, plus.... |
| 02:54.41 | karlpinc_ | !overview |
| 02:54.41 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <kmuto>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <volatile>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian-live>. |
| 02:54.42 | nsadmin | beat: what is your background? |
| 02:54.42 | ajikeshi | beat, the "linux system administrators handbook" is very nice |
| 02:54.44 | jordanm | Chelsea: use a function |
| 02:54.50 | karlpinc_ | nsadmin: Good question. |
| 02:54.58 | norbert | Chelsea: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 02:55.10 | karlpinc_ | beat: Also the "what next" chapter of the install guide. |
| 02:55.26 | nsadmin | for one thing, he's prone to intelligent discussion without fighting |
| 02:55.34 | Chelsea | norbert, no, that doesn't work in a script just from .rc files |
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| 02:56.00 | jordanm | Chelsea: use a function |
| 02:56.12 | karlpinc_ | Chelsea: You want aliases set globally? |
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| 02:56.42 | nsadmin | he expresses curiousity without inciting flamewars |
| 02:56.43 | beat | nsadmin: I've been using linux for 4 years, as my main OS. I'm not a sysadmin or anything like that but I know my way around the essentials of linux. |
| 02:56.49 | Chelsea | jordanm, how do I use a function? ;) any pointers on where to look (which documentation)? |
| 02:57.05 | nsadmin | ok, so you know your way around a shell |
| 02:57.20 | Chelsea | karlpinc_, yes... just for 1 user, but in all shells. |
| 02:57.25 | jordanm | Chelsea: function ls { ls --color=auto "$@"; } |
| 02:57.35 | jordanm | Chelsea: use just like an alias |
| 02:58.01 | jordanm | Chelsea: "man bash" perhaps |
| 02:58.04 | karlpinc_ | jordanm: Sane. |
| 02:58.05 | nsadmin | beat: ok, so you're in a position to choose what you want to learn next without being piled upon at random... so, |
| 02:58.09 | nsadmin | what do you want next? |
| 02:58.30 | rudi_s | jordanm: Better ls() { .. } |
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| 02:58.53 | jordanm | rudi_s: I thought that was the non-portable method.. |
| 02:58.53 | rudi_s | (It's more compatible.) |
| 02:58.54 | karlpinc_ | beat: I was going to say the package management page of the wiki, but the wiki does not seem to respond to me now. |
| 02:59.02 | cubuanic_ | hello, i have trouble with configuring email-in.pl for bugzilla/unstable. is there someone who can help, please? |
| 02:59.15 | beat | karlpinc_: yeh, it's also down for me, I'll check it later. |
| 02:59.19 | rudi_s | jordanm: AFAIK it's the portable one. |
| 02:59.29 | jordanm | rudi_s: yes, you are right. /bin/sh: function: not found |
| 02:59.33 | beat | I have like 10 tabs of debian documentation open now, information overload :P |
| 02:59.39 | karlpinc_ | Chelsea: You want the function in ~/.bash_profile so it only exists in interactive shells. |
| 02:59.57 | rudi_s | jordanm: But I'm not entirely sure if that'll call itself recursively or use the real ls. |
| 03:00.29 | karlpinc_ | rudi_s: You could always use the full path to ls. |
| 03:00.31 | nsadmin | beat: information overload. I can understand... maybe you could bookmark and close those tabs and decide what you want to focus on next (for me, it's how to write android apps) |
| 03:00.45 | rudi_s | karlpinc_: Yep, good idea. |
| 03:00.55 | beat | yeh, thats what I usually do ;) |
| 03:01.18 | nsadmin | write android apps?? |
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| 03:01.31 | beat | I guess it's only fair to give debian a chance. I know it's not possible to convince me over an irc conversation but I thank you all for your help :) |
| 03:01.37 | karlpinc_ | beat: You want to know the different repos available and package management. After that it depends on what you want to do. Debian specific stuff for individual packages is in /usr/share/doc/packagename.../README.Debian (or a .gz) |
| 03:01.55 | beat | nsadmin: no, I mean in general :P |
| 03:02.47 | nsadmin | one thing most people here know about me, is I don't ever try to make that argument. I think it can be damaging to do so, and would put me in a position I don't want to be in. So I won't be trying to convince you debian is the bestest evar... |
| 03:02.51 | karlpinc_ | beat: You could also read The Debian Social Contract and the policy guide. |
| 03:03.06 | nsadmin | oh, he wants to develop? |
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| 03:03.35 | Chelsea | karlpinc_, would that also work in zsh? |
| 03:03.43 | karlpinc_ | nsadmin: Maybe not, but a lot of the stuff in the policy guide has to do with what goes where and why, which seems like what he's asking. Distro specific stuff. |
| 03:04.00 | nsadmin | sounds like it |
| 03:04.05 | jordanm | Chelsea: I am betting zsh does not source ~/.bash_profile |
| 03:04.10 | karlpinc_ | Chelsea: Dunno. I've never been fond of zsh. RTFM. The'll be something similar. (~/.profile ?) |
| 03:04.23 | rudi_s | Chelsea: ~/.zprofile or ~/.zshrc |
| 03:04.24 | jordanm | ~/.profile should be sourced by all |
| 03:04.35 | jordanm | I would expect atleast... |
| 03:04.52 | karlpinc_ | beat: The social contract is short and tells you why debian exists. |
| 03:05.07 | rudi_s | jordanm: By all login shells, yes. |
| 03:05.20 | JamesM_SiteGen | anyone know why multiseat is not a package? |
| 03:05.20 | jordanm | karlpinc_: not as much as: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 03:05.24 | nsadmin | debian exists because someone started it :) |
| 03:05.54 | karlpinc_ | jordanm: Ok then, why it continues to exist. :) |
| 03:06.11 | nsadmin | heh, yeah |
| 03:06.24 | beat | Yes I also want to know how and why things happen ;) I think it's important to know the ideology that drives the project. |
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| 03:07.02 | nsadmin | well you have a few thousand maints who occasionally agree on something :) |
| 03:07.05 | jordanm | beat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1994/02/threads.html |
| 03:07.16 | jordanm | beat: devel threads from the mid 90s are good for that :) |
| 03:07.31 | beat | haha thanks :p |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 03:07.51 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 03:09.19 | beat | one thing I like so far is the attitude, no one tried to foist me debian and everyone was helpful. |
| 03:09.19 | karlpinc_ | beat: The only other thing that debian has always been good at is installing once and upgrading without re-install thereafter. I hear other distros have started to do this, dunno. |
| 03:09.45 | JamesM_SiteGen | aptitude needs ssl downloads? |
| 03:09.50 | karlpinc_ | beat: We will tell you if we think you're stupid. |
| 03:09.52 | JamesM_SiteGen | 512-bit encryption |
| 03:10.12 | beat | lol :p |
| 03:10.32 | nsadmin | oh yeah, any debian developer who says someone is stupid is -always- right... |
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| 03:10.57 | beat | note to self: debian developers are always right |
| 03:11.10 | karlpinc_ | nsadmin: No, no. Any _IRC op_ who says someone is stupid is -always- right. ;-) |
| 03:11.12 | Chelsea | my goodness, by accident I enabled a vimserver over ssh... from Ubuntu to Debian. Quite cool. |
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| 03:12.54 | nsadmin | I need to get my x going, either by accident or on purpose... be right back |
| 03:12.57 | karlpinc_ | The wiki seems to be alive again. |
| 03:13.18 | beat | Yep, I'm checking the page on openbox ;) |
| 03:14.43 | JamesM_SiteGen | ssh root@you; rm -rf /; no files found. |
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| 03:15.07 | JamesM_SiteGen | oupps frong channel |
| 03:15.31 | abrotman | JamesM_SiteGen: do you need help? |
| 03:15.47 | JamesM_SiteGen | no it was just the wrong channel that i posted to |
| 03:15.56 | abrotman | stop babbling in the channel |
| 03:15.58 | JamesM_SiteGen | and i like to watch this channel |
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| 03:17.01 | abrotman | watching does not imply speaking |
| 03:17.14 | JamesM_SiteGen | i know but in my case it sometimes does |
| 03:17.45 | JamesM_SiteGen | well with that meaning, no ones talking i start a convo for them to talk about then it goes forever :) |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | JamesM_SiteGen: do you have a Debian related question? if not, shut up |
| 03:18.05 | JamesM_SiteGen | okay |
| 03:18.47 | JamesM_SiteGen | and i did ask before, why has multiseat not become a package? and why does aptitude not have 512-bit encryption? |
| 03:20.39 | jordanm | JamesM_SiteGen: what is multisteat? you can file RFP bugs, or ITPs to package things for upload yourself. you would need to ask the aptitude maintainers why, or file a wishlist bug |
| 03:20.55 | abrotman | why the hell would it need encryption ? |
| 03:21.10 | jordanm | well, uploads need to be sponsered, but you can file the ITP |
| 03:21.26 | jordanm | abrotman: paranoia? |
| 03:21.31 | jordanm | JamesM_SiteGen: you can use it over ssh... |
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| 03:22.44 | JamesM_SiteGen | multiseat, is one computer several screens and keyboards, and mice all working together to make several seats, perfect for a school or libary, so they need less computers but more powerful |
| 03:22.53 | abrotman | judd: info apt-transport-https --release squeeze |
| 03:22.55 | judd | Package apt-transport-https (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: APT https transport. Version: 0.8.10; Size: 80.8k; Installed: 148k |
| 03:23.07 | abrotman | !multiseat |
| 03:23.19 | JamesM_SiteGen | humm. interesting |
| 03:23.21 | abrotman | people do multiseat with Debian .. does it need to be packaged ? |
| 03:23.38 | JamesM_SiteGen | yes, and have config files to make it easer |
| 03:23.41 | jordanm | !test |
| 03:23.41 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 03:23.47 | JamesM_SiteGen | its really just a majour hack now |
| 03:24.00 | cubuanic_ | is there someone who can help with bugzilla? |
| 03:24.15 | karlpinc_ | !tell cubuanic_ about anyone |
| 03:24.29 | jordanm | JamesM_SiteGen: if its just different configurations, that is not generally packaged |
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| 03:25.22 | cubuanic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.33 | karlpinc_ | Isn't it the case that if you plug in multipule video cards, mice, and keyboards you get multiseat automatically? Or does a xdm (etc) need to be put on each manually and the "multiseat" is console only? |
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| 03:25.57 | abrotman | !multiseat |
| 03:25.57 | dpkg | methinks multiseat is http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
| 03:26.47 | JamesM_SiteGen | I know about that but its not a package, only a hack |
| 03:27.02 | stew | JamesM_SiteGen: where can I get the sourcecode for multiseat? |
| 03:27.33 | abrotman | it's a hack? seems like a feature |
| 03:28.04 | JamesM_SiteGen | kindof both |
| 03:28.18 | JamesM_SiteGen | should have config files, to make it easer |
| 03:28.32 | JamesM_SiteGen | i think it had developed into a feature just no conf files to help with it |
| 03:28.44 | abrotman | it has config files .. *you* have to edit them |
| 03:28.45 | karlpinc_ | JamesM_SiteGen: Seems quite straightforward to me. If you want it to happen automaticlly you probably either want to use a distributed sysadmin tool like puppet or do something with the installer to make it happen on install. |
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| 03:29.10 | JamesM_SiteGen | dont worry |
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| 03:40.13 | mmnicolas | where do you get that ? |
| 03:40.27 | iluminator101 | google it |
| 03:40.54 | abrotman | iluminator101: there is a GNU channel, perhaps ask them? |
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| 03:45.28 | mmnicolas | they do not package it for debian as I can see |
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| 03:45.58 | spersaud | when will Squeeze be released ? |
| 03:46.08 | spersaud | it doesnt boot on my mobo |
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| 03:46.31 | mmnicolas | spersaud: why does it matter then ? |
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| 03:47.13 | spersaud | mmnicolas: we all know it matters, not sure what your point is |
| 03:47.31 | abrotman | spersaud: did you file a bug? |
| 03:47.34 | spersaud | its not stable, but I see all the bugs are down |
| 03:47.37 | abrotman | spersaud: the topic has info |
| 03:47.46 | spersaud | abrotman: no |
| 03:47.54 | stew | spersaud: it will be released when it has fewer release critical bugs |
| 03:47.56 | abrotman | so you didn't file a bug, but you want it fixed ? |
| 03:47.59 | spersaud | not sure if it boots now, thats part of polishing it up |
| 03:48.24 | spersaud | abrotman: YES! |
| 03:48.33 | spersaud | YES SIR, you're THE MAN!!??!! |
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| 03:58.08 | mrkotfw | How can I go about searching (using apt-cache) a deb-src entry? |
| 03:58.11 | mrkotfw | Say, Sid? |
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| 05:15.47 | matt868686 | I have a computer, which has Windows XP installed on. However, this Windows installation is seriously infected with virus and I would like to boot up from Linux live CD, mount Windows NTFS partitions, install anti-virus on Linux and scan the disks, but which AV under Linux checks for Windows viruses as well? Any suggestions? |
| 05:17.21 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:17.57 | matt868686 | peterrooney: no, i would like to install anti-virus on a live CD |
| 05:18.10 | peterrooney | matt868686: some people use clamav to check for existence of viruses. |
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| 05:21.43 | matt868686 | peterrooney: this one should do as well: http://www.bitdefender.com/world/business/antivirus-for-unices.html "The stand-alone scanner protects both UNIX-based and Windows-based disk partitions by scanning for viruses and spyware." |
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| 05:23.41 | iluminator101 | hi my applications tab in gnome is missing, how can i fix this |
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| 05:25.11 | PardoSandia | Tired of niggggers? Sick of their monkeyshines? Then join Chimpout Forum! We welcome anybody who isn't a fecal negroid beast! That is right! WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS; rather we are Negro Inferiorists! If you hate niggers and aren't a nigger, you can join! http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
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| 05:26.07 | iluminator101 | hi my applications tab in gnome is missing, how can i fix this |
| 05:26.37 | iluminator101 | its not missing its there but when i click on it nothing is listed |
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| 05:44.37 | t3a | Hello |
| 05:45.16 | t3a | How do I move free space from my home partition to my root partition? |
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| 05:47.23 | cullz | t3a: you can do this by changing the partitions using gparted. use caution, and backup critical data first |
| 05:47.58 | t3a | I only have the boot (sda1), sda2 and unallocated |
| 05:48.18 | cullz | which one is root and which one is home? |
| 05:48.39 | t3a | I don,t know |
| 05:49.15 | t3a | all I know is that my home folder has 7 hundred some GB of free space and my root has 66GB of total space |
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| 05:50.08 | cullz | how many operating systems on the hard drive? |
| 05:50.19 | t3a | debian and grub only |
| 05:51.58 | cullz | 66GB? or 66meg? |
| 05:52.04 | epsilon | are you familier with filesystem, partitions and tools dealing with them? |
| 05:52.11 | cullz | 66GB is heaps of free space |
| 05:53.31 | epsilon | what does df -h say? |
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| 05:54.37 | acromat | unetbootin on ubn9 is taking infinite ammount of time on /a/casper/filesystem.squashfs. I'm basing this on 30 minutes of current run time, it should finish in 5 minutes max. How do I bebug this issue? |
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| 05:58.28 | acromat | is it possible to monitor usb drive activity in paralle with a copy job? |
| 06:04.41 | omid8bimo | acromat: if you mean the in/out bytes, then yes, use dstat package |
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| 06:13.01 | norii | hello all |
| 06:13.38 | norii | can anyone point me in the right direction for a kernel boot issue |
| 06:14.08 | norii | wiped my previous grub on a encrypted lvm |
| 06:14.38 | norii | and need to get the required modules loaded into the kernel in order to boot out of initramfs |
| 06:15.34 | norii | so currently my boot hangs looking for an lvm at /dev/mapper/ |
| 06:16.02 | norii | and am getting stuck at configuring initramfs to load the required lvm and luks modules at boot |
| 06:16.24 | norii | or setting the correct grub options, whichever the case may be |
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| 06:32.18 | xixor | yo everyone, I feel stupid for asking this, but... are /etc/passwd- and /etc/group- simply backup files? |
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| 06:37.28 | peterrooney | xixor: not exactly, but related to ensuring that, upon boot, there will be sane passwd/group files |
| 06:39.42 | xixor | peterrooney: the reason I ask, is that I had a script create a user, I went and deleted the user with userdel -r, but the user still exists in /etc/passwd- and /etc/group- files |
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| 06:49.53 | GinTonic | hi guys |
| 06:51.37 | norii | holla |
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| 07:35.53 | acromat | unetbootin has been on the 'installing bootloader' step for an hour now |
| 07:36.00 | acromat | how can i just do this step manually myself? |
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| 07:43.25 | lilibox | hi |
| 07:43.46 | lilibox | i would like to know how to effective share debian's place to win server |
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| 07:44.35 | lilibox | i am trying backup some data over windows sheduler |
| 07:45.16 | lilibox | job is started on ms account |
| 07:45.38 | norii | lilibox: are you trying to backup a windows comp to your debian server? |
| 07:45.44 | lilibox | windows has mapped such debian share place over net use x: \\debian\share |
| 07:45.49 | lilibox | yes |
| 07:46.13 | lilibox | i am trying back up some data from windows to debian's share place |
| 07:46.45 | lilibox | if i will not set nobody owner to that share on debian |
| 07:47.08 | norii | is samba installed on the linux box? |
| 07:47.12 | lilibox | yes |
| 07:48.11 | norii | are you just getting stuck on what user to login to the samba share as? |
| 07:48.21 | lilibox | yes |
| 07:48.57 | lilibox | windows trying access that samba place with MSDOMAIN\user and password |
| 07:49.05 | norii | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb490717.aspx |
| 07:49.23 | norii | you have to set the user and password on your net use command |
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| 07:50.33 | lilibox | hmm then there is something strange |
| 07:50.38 | lilibox | this method works for me |
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| 07:51.12 | lilibox | if i am on such ms puter i see debian share place as regular x: maped drive |
| 07:51.22 | norii | oh then youre all set |
| 07:51.28 | lilibox | and i can write/read anywhat |
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| 07:52.06 | lilibox | but if i want run simple .bat script on it from sheduler it won't work |
| 07:52.39 | lilibox | no, i guess its my fault |
| 07:52.52 | epsilon | .bat sounds so DOS... |
| 07:53.08 | norii | ya he's working from windows |
| 07:53.17 | epsilon | ah |
| 07:54.10 | norii | lilibox: if you have it mounted and can r/w then it might be a prob with your batch file |
| 07:54.34 | lilibox | ok, i will try set rights everyone to this share place first |
| 07:54.46 | lilibox | if it will work i will ask here more |
| 07:55.02 | s1 | in windows scheduler is possible to run task from another user |
| 07:55.15 | lilibox | norii bat file is 100% ok |
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| 07:55.25 | s1 | maybe you run your task from SYSTEM? |
| 07:55.29 | norii | s1 is correct, make sure the user the bat file running under has permission too |
| 07:55.31 | lilibox | i copy the same thing to 3 different places |
| 07:55.50 | lilibox | those 3 lines of script are almost identical |
| 07:56.01 | lilibox | difference is just x: mapped drive |
| 07:56.16 | lilibox | x: z: y: |
| 07:57.47 | s1 | lilibox, check that your task running from account with mapped x: |
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| 07:58.16 | s1 | if you run it from Administrator there will be no mapped drive |
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| 07:58.41 | s1 | Of course if you mapped drive not from Administrator |
| 07:59.57 | lilibox | s1: yes, i am logged under the same account as bat is started over sheduler from |
| 08:00.30 | Shadur | Bleargh. Headache. Stupid webhosting customers and their insisting on badly configured and poorly debugged CMS systems... |
| 08:00.39 | lilibox | brb, must do services to my daughter |
| 08:01.40 | norii | lol |
| 08:01.51 | s1 | lilibox, have you tried to execute script not from scheduler? |
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| 08:04.35 | Spida | in which package is the lock/logout plasmoid of kde4.4 in squeeze? |
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| 08:09.52 | frikinz | Spida: ? plasma-widgets-workspace: /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_lockout.so |
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| 08:10.30 | Shadur | Hrm... Can I activate SuExec on a per-vhost basis and leave existing vhosts currently using standard mod_php5 unchanged? |
| 08:11.15 | Spida | frikinz: thx |
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| 08:23.05 | ethanol | mornin ircers |
| 08:23.22 | jenk | hullo |
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| 08:35.19 | Gryllida | How do I install a C compiler, as I'm getting ``configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH'' so far. If you tell me how to get version info I will. |
| 08:36.06 | lilibox | s1> not yet |
| 08:36.18 | lilibox | i will write similar with testing data |
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| 08:36.41 | SPF | Gryllida: start by installing the package build-essential |
| 08:36.41 | lilibox | i backuped soem terabytes it is hard to testing :) |
| 08:37.41 | Gryllida | E: Couldn't find package build-essential |
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| 08:38.34 | SPF | Gryllida: did you do aptitude update first? |
| 08:39.46 | Gryllida | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
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| 08:40.13 | Gryllida | apt-get install aptitude .. E: Package aptitude has no installation candidate |
| 08:40.24 | SPF | Gryllida: apt-get update |
| 08:41.04 | Gryllida | doing |
| 08:41.27 | SPF | Gryllida: when was the last time you ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? |
| 08:41.42 | Gryllida | what |
| 08:41.58 | SPF | those commands are for updating the software on your system |
| 08:42.06 | Gryllida | it's downloading from archive.ubuntu.com, maybe I shouldn't bother this channel anymore |
| 08:43.08 | SPF | you don't know if you are running Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 08:43.42 | Gryllida | no idea why it doesn't say that in uname -a |
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| 08:44.16 | Gryllida | correct, it wasn't me who installed the system |
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| 08:46.11 | daemonkeeper | uname -a tells about the kernel version. The distribution is a completely different task. |
| 08:46.23 | daemonkeeper | If you're on Ubuntu you have lsb_release -a |
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| 08:47.23 | SPF | Gryllida: you can also try cat /etc/issue |
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| 08:49.12 | guzu | hello al |
| 08:49.22 | guzu | how can i remove gnome-games in squeeze? |
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| 08:49.49 | guzu | without removing gnome |
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| 09:00.19 | Gryllida | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.12 | ov3rmind | :) |
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| 09:03.13 | daemonkeeper | guzu: I guess (as I don't use gnome) you can safely remove gnome alogn with gnome-games. The first is a meta package only depending on further gnome packages. |
| 09:03.31 | daemonkeeper | That should be similar to the KDE meta package. |
| 09:04.19 | guzu | daemonkeeper, unfortunately, if i accept removing of gnome, it wants to remove 80 packages |
| 09:05.37 | daemonkeeper | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnome That one? |
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| 09:09.55 | daemonkeeper | Do you come to troll over here now, as your job is done in #python? |
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| 09:15.42 | evilmanu | hi all |
| 09:16.12 | evilmanu | I have to do a low-level format (fill zero) hard disk, any advice? |
| 09:17.51 | guzu | daemonkeeper, yeah, something like that |
| 09:18.19 | daemonkeeper | guzu: You can safely remove _this_ package. This is a metapackage only. |
| 09:18.26 | peterrooney | evilmanu: dd if=/dev/zero of=yourdisk, and patience. |
| 09:18.39 | guzu | daemonkeeper, i'll try removing it first |
| 09:19.21 | guzu | daemonkeeper, it wants to remove all the packages on that page |
| 09:19.23 | peterrooney | evilmanu: and, what are you -really- trying to do? |
| 09:19.35 | guzu | aptitude remove gnome |
| 09:19.44 | daemonkeeper | guzu: what exactly do you remove? |
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| 09:21.17 | guzu | daemonkeeper, as i said, aptitude wants to remove all packages on the link you gave me. however, apt-get does remove only the metapackage, so it seems that aptitude is behaving differently |
| 09:21.32 | sep | evilmanu, lowlevel format is usualy only something you can do via the vendor's own tools, download from their site; fill with zero = the comannds peterrooney wrote; if you want to erase sensitive data. look at the wipe package |
| 09:21.49 | evilmanu | I'll try now |
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| 09:22.55 | guzu | evilbulgarian, what hard disk? see ubcd |
| 09:23.22 | guzu | oops, not evilbulgarian but evilmanu :) ^^^ |
| 09:23.27 | evilmanu | lol |
| 09:23.50 | evilmanu | at the m,oment loding live cd |
| 09:24.29 | guzu | daemonkeeper, however, later i removed gnome-games-data and it said that the gnome components are no longer needed and i should remove them :) |
| 09:24.34 | guzu | apt-get |
| 09:24.49 | daemonkeeper | So, do as indicated if you wish. |
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| 09:25.14 | Haryaalcar | hi |
| 09:25.35 | guzu | hi |
| 09:25.36 | bolt-work | that isn't a low level format, though, is it? |
| 09:25.53 | guzu | daemonkeeper, i already removed gnome with apt-get |
| 09:25.58 | guzu | using |
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| 09:27.23 | bolt-work | evilmanu: if you want to do a "low level format", i suggest going to the manufacturer's page and seeing if they have any tools available to order the harddrive to do so |
| 09:27.52 | evilmanu | ok |
| 09:27.54 | bolt-work | evilmanu: even then, it wouldn't really be a real low level format, but it'd be close |
| 09:27.59 | bolt-work | evilmanu: can't imaging why you'd want to, though |
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| 09:28.09 | SlayerXP | a low level format is a much misunderstood terms, and doesn't apply to any modern hard drive |
| 09:28.17 | guzu | yeah |
| 09:28.23 | evilmanu | long long story, and it's a command of my boss |
| 09:28.41 | sep | evilmanu, do you understand the intention of your boss ? |
| 09:28.45 | bolt-work | evilmanu: then wiping it with all 0's would probably be sufficient |
| 09:28.59 | SlayerXP | just use DBAN and be done with it |
| 09:29.24 | guzu | however, as western digital user tool defines it, it writes zero to surface and if necessary deallocates bad sectors |
| 09:30.30 | evilmanu | SlayerXP: have just dwnlded DBAN :P |
| 09:31.28 | daemonkeeper | Paranoid people even overwrite each block several times ... |
| 09:31.48 | guzu | uses sysresccd for dban ... |
| 09:32.06 | sep | dban is a live cd that runs wipe ? |
| 09:32.11 | sep | i just apt-get install wipe :P |
| 09:33.25 | guzu | daemonkeeper, thank you for help |
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| 09:37.30 | david00 | Hi, anyone know a good program to tell me what IPs are using the most bandwidth on my LAN? |
| 09:38.33 | peterrooney | david00: tshark, perhaps |
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| 09:39.44 | joltcan | david00: or iftop perhaps |
| 09:39.48 | k-man | how should i install a newer version of a program than is available in squeeze? i used to do it by mixing testing with unstable, but that is bad... |
| 09:40.14 | bolt | backports |
| 09:40.34 | david00 | joltcan: ah, iftop looks nice |
| 09:41.09 | k-man | squeeze is not in backportrs |
| 09:41.18 | k-man | and neither is rtorrent |
| 09:41.23 | k-man | which is the package i am after |
| 09:42.49 | joltcan | k-man: Why not upgrade your whole system to squeeze then? |
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| 09:43.31 | k-man | joltcan: sorry, my question was worded badly, i am on squeeze, but the version i want is only available in experimental afaict |
| 09:43.38 | joltcan | k-man: or just compile it yourself. Thats what I did |
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| 09:43.40 | joltcan | k-man: Ah |
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| 09:44.10 | k-man | joltcan: yeah, ill try that - i'll try compiling the experimental package |
| 09:44.31 | joltcan | k-man: yeah, there is a section on compiling for another release in the docs |
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| 09:45.01 | k-man | joltcan: oh? where? |
| 09:45.55 | joltcan | k-man: I'm trying to find it |
| 09:46.00 | k-man | thanks |
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| 09:47.42 | joltcan | k-man: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-sourcebuild |
| 09:48.17 | joltcan | k-man: oh well, that wasn't the section I was looking for, but you could always give it a shot |
| 09:48.44 | k-man | thanks joltcan, ill have a look |
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| 09:51.53 | frikinz | evilmanu: if you /really/ want to have the data not recoverable at the cost of loosing the disks (might be cheaper than other things..), i suggest a huge huge hammer. |
| 09:52.01 | Third3ye | Hey there -- got problems with setting up svn. When trying to set the /etc/apache2/mods-available/dav_svn.conf using SVNParentPath -- the error is "SVNParent Not Allowed here, failed!" |
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| 09:52.59 | daemonkeeper | Third3ye: You may ask in #httpd |
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| 09:54.12 | Third3ye | Thought it was a permission related error, but ok |
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| 09:55.36 | daemonkeeper | Third3ye: No, that is a configuration issue. You configured the "SVNParent directive somewhere, where it is not allowed. |
| 09:56.05 | dyek | Hi! Without doing an update, how can I tell if a specific version of a package has made it into Debian Testing and Unstable? I'm waiting for Linux Kernel post v2.6.37 RC to show up. I need a fix that was said to be in the fix 71d0618661f9dd531caa94ce2ce5dc919321624b. Without it, Debian Testing's Xorg kept spinning when some graphics were drawn in quick succession with the Nouveau driver and I had to reboot the computer (repeatedly -- very bad). |
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| 09:57.20 | daemonkeeper | dyek: Well, you could just look? http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 09:58.33 | joltcan | k-man: have a look at this as well: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
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| 10:03.16 | frikinz | dyek: I don't see this sha1 in linus tree rc8 or linux-next so it won't be in debian. the latest is rc7. |
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| 10:03.59 | eightcell | morning guys |
| 10:07.06 | eightcell | anyone with thinkpad battery exterience? |
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| 10:08.53 | guzu | mine is at ~ 50% . can we call it experience? |
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| 10:09.23 | jelly | eightcell: what's special about thinkpad batteries on Debian in particular? |
| 10:12.03 | guzu | are there in squeeze any proprietary drivers for ati rage 128? |
| 10:12.18 | guzu | r128 is just freezing the video card |
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| 10:13.01 | guzu | vesa works |
| 10:13.30 | eightcell | jelly: exactly |
| 10:14.14 | eightcell | jelly: i have the modules installed... tp_smapi |
| 10:14.15 | jelly | guzu: no, rage 128 is what you might describe as "fucking old" |
| 10:14.30 | eightcell | xfce with gnome battery manager |
| 10:14.41 | guzu | i can agree with that :) |
| 10:14.55 | eightcell | yet the only way i can tell power usage is with acpi |
| 10:15.15 | jelly | eightcell: first, there are thinkpads and thinkpads. Which model are we talking about? |
| 10:15.25 | jelly | and what's wrong with the acpi interface? |
| 10:15.27 | eightcell | x60 old skool |
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| 10:15.50 | eightcell | x60 with the centrino duo... not the tablet |
| 10:16.01 | jelly | eightcell: xfce in squeeze works just about fine with my Z60m |
| 10:16.09 | eightcell | emm |
| 10:16.33 | eightcell | looks like i fooked up and added lenny to my pxe boot |
| 10:17.11 | eightcell | i will bear with it for the moment and install sid on it over the weekend |
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| 10:17.22 | jelly | well, it worked last time I used the xfce battery thingy. I use xosview as an applet otherwise and it's been fixed to use the acpi interface say 6 months ago |
| 10:17.53 | eightcell | jelly: ok, thank you for your comments |
| 10:18.09 | vivek` | Hi, I just installed java with JDK 1.6.0. I use a java based application from iceweasel. But when I try to access that using the browser, it says JVM not found. |
| 10:18.49 | jelly | vivek`: how did you install that jdk? |
| 10:19.20 | vivek` | I downloaded the jdk_1.6.0_23.bin from java.sun.com and ran it from cm line. The PATH var has also been updated |
| 10:19.38 | vivek` | *cmd line |
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| 10:19.45 | bolt | whoa |
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| 10:21.05 | vivek` | jelly: What could have been the problem. I am able to run java programs from the console. |
| 10:21.33 | vivek` | jelly: BTW, I am on Lenny |
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| 10:22.06 | bolt-work | vivek`: the problem could be that you didn't install java through one of the official packages |
| 10:22.20 | bolt-work | vivek`: i have no idea what damage sun's binary would do to your system though... |
| 10:22.31 | jelly | vivek`: to make the web plugin work from the tarball you're going to have to symlink the plugin library into iceweasels plugin directory manually |
| 10:22.48 | jelly | bolt-work: it's pretty much self-contained |
| 10:22.54 | vivek` | jelly: Oh, ok. I will try that now. Thanks |
| 10:23.22 | bolt-work | why not use the official packages though? |
| 10:23.51 | jelly | vivek`: might be called something like jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so, link it into /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 10:24.16 | vivek` | jelly: Thanks |
| 10:24.49 | jelly | ,versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 10:24.50 | judd | Package sun-java6-plugin on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.22-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.22-1 |
| 10:25.11 | jelly | bolt-work: it's older! :-) |
| 10:25.35 | jelly | but yeah, for java applet usage it probably doesn't matter |
| 10:25.44 | bolt-work | i'm sure _23 has some critical features he *needs* |
| 10:25.51 | jelly | riight |
| 10:26.21 | dyek | daemonkeeper, frikinz: OK. It appears like it will be a much longer wait. I'll see if I have enough time to figure out more. Thanks. |
| 10:26.36 | vivek` | bolt-work: Actually, just installed the latest available version |
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| 10:31.16 | frikinz | dyek: ok. I see it here though http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6/commit/?id=71d0618661f9dd531caa94ce2ce5dc919321624b. git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6 |
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| 10:32.09 | efazati | when i was play video i can't see screen... all screen is black... how i can fix this problem? |
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| 10:33.53 | mcbane_ | hi |
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| 10:34.30 | macrobat | efazati: give more info like: what video player, what video format |
| 10:34.52 | benignbala | Hi, is there a way to set file associations programatically. That is, using shell scripts, Python etc. ?If so, how ? |
| 10:34.53 | mcbane_ | I am trying to use "find" to find files not belonging to a user. Like the negativ for "find . -user someuser". Does anybody know how to do that? |
| 10:35.19 | efazati | macrobat, all format with vlc / banshaee and ... |
| 10:35.21 | dyek | frikinz: Thanks for the pointer. I'm not familiar with with how these patches flow in the Linux source trees. Does this need some push to get into linus's tree? |
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| 10:35.59 | thomaschaaf | I have a problem with networking http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-01-05_1113.png is my setup now when I tracert from the virtual server host to "192.168.1.1" gets stuck on the vpn box |
| 10:36.20 | thomaschaaf | http://pastie.org/1430651 this is the routing table on the vpn box also the route on the virtual server: http://pastie.org/1430654 |
| 10:36.31 | thomaschaaf | would someone be so kind and aid me? |
| 10:36.47 | petemc | mcbane_: find -not -user |
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| 10:37.05 | mcbane_ | petemc: thanks! |
| 10:37.15 | petemc | np |
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| 10:37.49 | macrobat | efazati: what video driver/ gfx card? |
| 10:38.02 | efazati | nvidia 310 m |
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| 10:40.22 | frikinz | dyek: yes. there are some info here http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/InstallDRM. You have several solutions, you could take just the patch (cherry pick i think) or the whole nouveau kernel (command I gave) or build out-of kernel to take only the nouveau drm driver |
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| 10:41.43 | efazati | nvidia 310 m macrobat |
| 10:42.32 | macrobat | efazati: is the nvidia driver loaded? |
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| 10:43.09 | efazati | macrobat, yes and there is no problem in game and other things |
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| 10:49.28 | macrobat | efazati: i don't know, maybe some power management issue? try the debian forums |
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| 10:49.52 | efazati | macrobat, isn't about codec? |
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| 10:50.41 | macrobat | efazati: you were saying "all format"? |
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| 10:51.24 | macrobat | so if you don't have them, get the codecs and try again :D |
| 10:52.14 | johntramp | Hi. I am unable to mount one of my partitions since installing Debian. It just tells me "mount: Stale NFS file handle". I have never used NFS so I don't know how I am getting this error. Any ideas how I can fix it? |
| 10:52.23 | efazati | macrobat, how get all codec? |
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| 10:53.51 | jaollos | hi all |
| 10:54.08 | macrobat | !codecs |
| 10:54.09 | dpkg | i guess codecs is See <w32codecs>, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=19555 |
| 10:54.30 | macrobat | w64codecs if you run x86_64 |
| 10:54.34 | efazati | macrobat, thanks :D |
| 10:54.35 | jaollos | hi all |
| 10:54.50 | macrobat | jaollos: success, you are in #debian! |
| 10:55.35 | jaollos | macrobat: :D |
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| 10:57.08 | guzu | hi jaollos |
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| 11:02.04 | jaollos | I have a problem: when I try to connect to a network, initially with ifconfig eth2 I get (correctly): eth2 inet addr:192.168.1.56 .... inet6 addr: fe80:221:ff:fe96:4598/64 but after a few seconds the 102.168.1.56 disappears and after some other seconds disappears the inet6 address too.. Any possible solution? |
| 11:02.51 | ethanol | uh, 102 != 192 |
| 11:03.07 | ethanol | jaollos, wireless or wired? |
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| 11:03.16 | ethanol | jaollos, dhcp or not? |
| 11:03.47 | jaollos | ethanol: wireless without dhcp |
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| 11:04.02 | ethanol | jaollos, mac address white/black-listing? |
| 11:04.30 | jaollos | ethanol: I tried in my university and there there is the dhcp. it works for a few seconds and after it doesn't anymore |
| 11:04.31 | jaollos | ethanol: I don't think so |
| 11:04.50 | ethanol | checked syslog? |
| 11:04.54 | nsadmin | what's the squeeze package for all of kde? |
| 11:05.10 | ethanol | and did you ask the sysadmin of your uni if wifi is freely available? |
| 11:06.33 | jaollos | ethanol: the network works on windows and in other linux systems so it's only my debian configuration wrong :( |
| 11:06.59 | ethanol | jaollos, well in a dhcp enviroment it is not polite to use a fixed address |
| 11:07.07 | ethanol | jaollos, could be you're trying to claim an ip already in use |
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| 11:08.03 | jaollos | ethanol: there I configure the eth2 in order to use dhcp but here that there is static ip address doesn't work the same |
| 11:08.43 | ethanol | I think I just lost the clue |
| 11:08.47 | jaollos | *when |
| 11:08.55 | ethanol | here, there, anywhere. |
| 11:09.31 | jaollos | uhm |
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| 11:10.12 | jaollos | I know it's a bit strange.. but is it possible that I have some dhcp server enabled in my debian and it assign an address after a few seconds of every connection? |
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| 11:11.05 | nsadmin | how in sqeeze do I say "my clock is set to UTC" |
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| 11:14.48 | nsadmin | jaollos, watch your logs, that will probably tell you more |
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| 11:15.14 | jaollos | nsadmin: where can I watch ? |
| 11:15.40 | nsadmin | on your console or an xterm |
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| 11:15.55 | jaollos | nsadmin: yes but which log |
| 11:16.07 | nsadmin | don't know |
| 11:16.16 | jaollos | kk.. thx anyway |
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| 11:17.07 | nsadmin | the general principle is that when something like this comes up, a good thing to do is get more information |
| 11:17.16 | jaollos | yep |
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| 11:25.51 | e0n | Hi, I'm trying to have |
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| 11:27.33 | e0n | I'm looking for a DHCP package for IPv6. DHCPD v3 doesn't handle IPv6. |
| 11:27.41 | e0n | does anyone have a name ? |
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| 11:30.58 | petemc | e0n: isc-dhcp-server does ipv6, theres also radvd |
| 11:31.05 | petemc | which is kinda like dhcp |
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| 11:35.31 | delby | hi. is there a way to edit the gconf default settings in /var/lib/gconf/defaults/debian.defaults using Configuration Editor? |
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| 11:38.54 | e0n | petemc: radvd is not really dhcp, it can't provide DNS infos to the client. |
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| 11:39.06 | e0n | petemc: i ll take a look at isc-dhcp-server |
| 11:39.10 | e0n | thx |
| 11:39.23 | efazati | macrobat, i am install some codec but now i have trouble with avi :( |
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| 11:45.02 | rot13 | what can be done if some files in /var/lib/dpkg/info got damaged, removed or garbled? my dpkg does not configure packages like util-linux netbase cron udev and dbus. this prevents me from upgrading or working with any apt like tool. |
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| 11:46.26 | efazati | macrobat, i have show screen with avi and flv only |
| 11:46.33 | rot13 | the --force- parameters also won't get me further. |
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| 11:50.05 | macrobat | efazati: you mean that flv and avi works? |
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| 11:55.01 | efazati | macrobat, i mean flv and avi dont work |
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| 12:25.10 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:25.10 | dpkg | <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
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| 12:28.21 | psycodad | hi, doing a ls -la on /var/lib/directory i get drwxrwx---+ - can anybody tell me where to find info on what the + means ? I've never seen this before iirc. |
| 12:28.48 | abrotman | psycodad: ACLs are set IIRC |
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| 12:30.33 | frikinz | rot13: Once I lost my /var dir. I regenerated the list of installed packages from ls -1 /usr/share/doc and then "reinstalled" everything. This is hardcore but worked. Maybe someone has a nicer solution. |
| 12:30.56 | psycodad | abrotman: oh, thx. Is there a way to make them visible ? I don't use ACLs at all - I guess they have been caused by a crash and subsequent checks. |
| 12:32.01 | abrotman | do you have any acl commands at all ? |
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| 12:32.17 | abrotman | getfacl ? getfattr ? |
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| 12:41.03 | psycodad | well, on the system from which the nfs share is mounted they exist. |
| 12:41.17 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 12:41.17 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 12:42.31 | psycodad | ty abrotman ! that gets me started. |
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| 12:59.31 | jm__ | guys, installing debian right now.. should I go for ext2 or 3 for /var partition? |
| 13:00.53 | daemonkeeper | You should go for ext4 if you're on Squeeze. |
| 13:01.04 | jm__ | ok ext3 then i guess |
| 13:01.07 | jm__ | when will debian stable accept ext4? ;) |
| 13:01.27 | daemonkeeper | It does already in Squeeze. You have just to wait until it is released. |
| 13:01.51 | abrotman | jm__: when squeeze is released .. it hasn't done so yet |
| 13:01.58 | daemonkeeper | There is virtually no reason not to want a journalled file system (ext3+). If you do, you'd know. |
| 13:02.13 | abrotman | flash based storage |
| 13:02.17 | sep | jm__, if you have to ask, go with the default |
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| 13:02.24 | daemonkeeper | Yes, I said "if you do, you'd know" ;) |
| 13:02.37 | e0n | ext3, ext2 is not journalized... as i remember |
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| 13:03.30 | daemonkeeper | I do use ext2 as well for my SSD holding exactly one file. Again, cases are rare were you don't want a journal file. |
| 13:03.30 | jm__ | ok. but heard that there is no reason for ext3 in /boot, and ext2 will be |
| 13:03.50 | daemonkeeper | There is nothing to oppose against ext3 for /boot. |
| 13:04.06 | abrotman | it's just not super useful, but there's no reason not to |
| 13:04.15 | e0n | abrotman: i read some advices where people recommand ext2 because it s not journalled. make your choice. possibility to lose some data or a shorter lifetime for your flash drive |
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| 13:04.49 | abrotman | e0n: yes .. i know, that's why i said that |
| 13:05.04 | e0n | abrotman: i use ext3 on my netbook |
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| 13:05.18 | daemonkeeper | Although there are more specialized flash file systems anyway (flash not as in SSD) |
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| 13:07.14 | e0n | daemonkeeper: i m a bit confused... i don t no the difference between flash and ssd |
| 13:07.28 | frikinz | flash are sometimes anyway mounted read only so journal or not journal, don't care :) |
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| 13:08.33 | daemonkeeper | A SSD is a flash drive with a full storage controller (e.g. SATA) build around. That's somewhat different to a bare metal flash drive as you will find it for example in embedded hardware or just your USB pen drive. |
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| 13:08.57 | e0n | frikinz: i don t think his OS partition is RO ;) |
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| 13:09.16 | e0n | daemonkeeper: i see |
| 13:09.26 | frikinz | e0n: mine is |
| 13:09.37 | frikinz | not a desktop though ;) |
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| 13:10.36 | e0n | frikinz: what is it? |
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| 13:11.21 | daemonkeeper | For SSDs you can safely go with file systems developed for traditional disk drives, although you will profit from file systems and kernel knowing about special behaviour of SSDs. For pure flash drives ext would be a particular bad choice, you'd better go with JFFS2 or such |
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| 13:14.03 | frikinz | e0n: embedded system, kontron card with geode cpu running in ram. second card I try in 3 months, both works very well. 256MB Flash. 512MB Ram altough probably 128 would be enough |
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| 13:18.17 | e0n | frikinz: i play with an alix.2D3 card |
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| 13:18.39 | e0n | frikinz: in fact i d like to put a dhcp v6 on this card |
| 13:19.16 | e0n | btw is there any idea of a release date for debian 6? |
| 13:19.40 | daemonkeeper | Someone for sure remembers the command to instruct dpkg to tell about rc bugs |
| 13:19.57 | crazygir | what is the proper way to resize partitions in an encrypted LVM? |
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| 13:20.09 | crazygir | I'd like to shrink a few, and create a new one |
| 13:20.26 | crazygir | poking around google hasn't helped much |
| 13:22.15 | frikinz | e0n: ah looks quite similiar to the one next to me :) Same proc. Mine has also crt/keyboard, 4 usb, CF slot, SD slot. let me look at this one. |
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| 13:23.24 | e0n | frikinz: 3 eth interfaces, it s my FW at home. |
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| 13:24.04 | frikinz | e0n: using the 3 eth port? router like? mine has a ethernet plugged and on the usb a wifi dongle (which works very badly until people made a big hack here to power it off when I sent a special command) |
| 13:24.18 | frikinz | e0n: ok nice. DId you pentest it a bit? |
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| 13:24.34 | frikinz | e0n: in terms of performance under load? |
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| 13:26.12 | e0n | frikinz: i didn t pentest. i hope iptables is well configured. |
| 13:27.40 | frikinz | e0n: you run it as read only then with this compact flash? |
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| 13:28.11 | e0n | frikinz: the cpu is well enough for FW, VPN encryption and DHCP. it never goes over 25% (and i don t use it to connect here, don t check my public ip ;) ) |
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| 13:28.41 | e0n | frikinz: nop, rw |
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| 13:31.48 | leejongwook | [Q] What was Debian-sid(?) like Linux distro ? |
| 13:32.02 | abrotman | !unstable |
| 13:32.03 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 13:32.34 | leejongwook | It wasn't Debian but Debian based. I can't remember its name. |
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| 13:33.13 | abrotman | sidux? it's gone, has some new name .. ask google, it's not supported here, or maybe ask ##linux |
| 13:33.16 | leejongwook | I just don't have enough time to config my graphic card with Debian. I can't live without Debian. |
| 13:33.27 | leejongwook | abrotman: Thanks :) |
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| 13:34.01 | nsadmin | any way to prevent kde from ending the session when I go to a different vc (squeeze, recent) |
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| 13:38.29 | rgr | is there a "best" or "recommended" way to stop the gnome-screensaver kicking in if mplayer is running? |
| 13:39.43 | crazygir | are there any official debian guides/docs about how encrypted lvm's can be managed? |
| 13:39.45 | dkr | rgr: mplayer has a config option to disable screensaver |
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| 13:39.53 | crazygir | or any manpages I should be reading about? |
| 13:39.55 | dkr | rgr: put it in ~/.mplayer/config |
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| 13:41.43 | rgr | the neart-beat command you mean? |
| 13:41.46 | rgr | heart |
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| 13:42.39 | rgr | seems so. |
| 13:43.01 | dkr | "also see -stop-xscreensaver" |
| 13:43.15 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:43.19 | dkr | ah, heartbeat has an example for gnome though. nifty |
| 13:43.32 | rgr | yup, -p. That might be newish. Nice. |
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| 13:45.27 | crazygir | :( |
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| 13:45.48 | krion | hi |
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| 13:46.01 | krion | wondering the state of bugs 594986 |
| 13:46.25 | krion | i migrating a lenny to queeze as testinf purpose and i'm sure this would be trouble for some people |
| 13:46.27 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/594986 should tell you ? |
| 13:46.49 | krion | yes, i see the state, but in my POV the bugs still there |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | says marked closed |
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| 13:47.07 | abrotman | krion: you can ask the kernel team |
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| 13:47.26 | krion | looks like it's more related to grub stuff |
| 13:47.35 | krion | booting kernel xen without xen |
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| 13:49.40 | krion | may be this is a wanted behaviour |
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| 14:08.05 | JyZyXEL | why are do files created thru samba to a fuse filesystem have root:root permissions? |
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| 14:08.54 | ethanol | JyZyXEL, the admin knows |
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| 14:09.27 | JyZyXEL | i think fuse is overriding sambas permissions |
| 14:09.29 | HackeMate | how to disblable the check disc at boot? |
| 14:09.34 | HackeMate | aafter N boots |
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| 14:09.52 | HackeMate | i believe there is a command to modify it but i dont remember |
| 14:09.55 | HackeMate | and i dont find the info |
| 14:10.02 | JyZyXEL | since samba runs root:root |
| 14:10.05 | mplabs | Hello. Can anyone suggest me a good application to an enterprise and stock control ? |
| 14:10.11 | JyZyXEL | and fuse sees that and sets the files root:root |
| 14:10.23 | ThePub | HackeMate: using ext drives? check out the tune2fs -c and -i options. |
| 14:10.31 | philth | mplabs, stock control? |
| 14:10.45 | philth | like inventory? |
| 14:10.50 | HackeMate | no, is the maain drive, it says: /dev/sda1 was mounted X times without being checked, |
| 14:10.54 | HackeMate | then a chkdsk starts |
| 14:11.19 | mplabs | philth: to control for example how many products of one kind you have |
| 14:11.46 | ThePub | HackeMate: yes, that is a function of an ext drive. "man tune2fs" and read up on the aforementioned options. |
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| 14:12.15 | HackeMate | thanks |
| 14:13.47 | mplabs | you know, to do accounting stuff |
| 14:15.15 | dkr | HackeMate: he meant "ext filesystem" not external drive :) |
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| 14:19.47 | ThePub | dkr: I was going to correct myself but he said "thanks" indicitating he found what he was looking for. No need to say anymore or parse words at that point. |
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| 14:26.56 | frikinz | mplabs: ocs inventory, fusion inventory; glpi; .. |
| 14:28.05 | katsrc | are there any known repos for Gimp 2.7 (2.8) |
| 14:28.07 | katsrc | ? |
| 14:28.25 | mplabs | frikinz: thank you! |
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| 14:31.11 | abrotman | judd: versions gimp |
| 14:31.14 | judd | Package gimp on i386 -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1; sid: 2.6.11-1 |
| 14:31.26 | abrotman | katsrc: doesn't seem to be anywhere in debian currently |
| 14:33.24 | bolt-work | HackeMate: that check is there for a reason... |
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| 14:35.23 | HackeMate | bolt-work: yes and i like it, but i make my manual checks for a week |
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| 14:35.47 | petemc | HackeMate: tune2fs can do that |
| 14:36.03 | HackeMate | yes, it worked appareently, thanks to all |
| 14:36.27 | bolt-work | it can do weekly checks |
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| 14:39.25 | katsrc | abrotman: not even any community repos that might have GIMP 2.7? |
| 14:39.35 | abrotman | not that i'm aware of |
| 14:40.22 | katsrc | ok thanks |
| 14:40.29 | katsrc | i'll try google |
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| 14:43.41 | katsrc | abrotman: found one, hadret's PPA http://hadret.rootnode.net/ |
| 14:43.52 | katsrc | the packages seem to be in experimental... |
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| 14:44.03 | katsrc | abrotman: thanks for your input |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | PPA isn't for Debian .. enjoy the breakage |
| 14:44.22 | stew | this one claims to be |
| 14:44.41 | abrotman | he says it may or may not work on squeeze . |
| 14:44.44 | stew | but one should still expect breakage |
| 14:44.59 | stew | and its asking for more trust than getting it from debian |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | his gimp packages are also from Aug 2010 |
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| 14:45.54 | pizigou | hi guys |
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| 14:53.35 | whatsit | what prblems could i run into if i install sid? |
| 14:54.15 | catsup | A WORLD OF PAIN |
| 14:54.20 | NiLon | crashes, data loss, stuff breaking, your computer taking control of the world |
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| 14:54.58 | whatsit | thanks |
| 14:55.03 | katsrc | whatsit: running sid, it's pretty solid for desktop use, but i wouldn't want it on any servers |
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| 14:55.19 | whatsit | thanks kat |
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| 14:55.28 | catsup | i knew a guy who installed sid once. a swarm of bees exited his CD-ROM drive and went straight for his face. he was so disfigured he's been unable to leave his room for months. |
| 14:55.40 | ajikeshi | lol? |
| 14:55.44 | whatsit | ouch |
| 14:55.57 | katsrc | abrotman: the GIMP packages seem to be the latest releases |
| 14:56.12 | whatsit | problem is lenny too far behind on latest versions |
| 14:56.36 | catsup | i've had a few problems with it |
| 14:56.36 | katsrc | whatsit: what do you want to use it for? |
| 14:57.10 | catsup | whatsit: backports isn't good enough? |
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| 14:59.21 | jelly | whatsit: what features are you missing, from which software in particular? |
| 15:00.38 | abrotman | katsrc: it's your system ... i gave you my warning .. have fun |
| 15:01.31 | katsrc | whatsit: check out this article: "5 reasons why Debian Unstable does not deserve its name" http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ |
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| 15:02.16 | ttiicc | Im now booting debian in to rc 1 but from time to time I would like to login with rc2 and get use of the GUI. how could I switch to rc2 without rebooting the computer? |
| 15:02.27 | katsrc | abrotman: thanks, it's a couple of packages mostly limited to gimp |
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| 15:05.00 | abrotman | katsrc: you should also point him at why not to run unstable .. don't recommend people run unstable |
| 15:05.04 | Iridos | funny thing, what he describes actually does exactly justify calling it unstable |
| 15:05.12 | ajikeshi | hey.. i got an idea/question... are there "workshops" or tutorials that show how to create a good deb package? |
| 15:05.18 | Iridos | he == the article katsrc linked to |
| 15:05.56 | abrotman | katsrc: great .. he's giong to go run unstable, his stuff is going to break, and he's going to blame debian .. don't recommend people run unstable |
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| 15:07.09 | ttiicc | Guys I know your conversation is an interesting one, but could someone post a quick one for my question? |
| 15:07.11 | Iridos | catsup, did he salvage the honey? |
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| 15:07.50 | abrotman | ttiicc: you can just telinit 2 once you're in runlevel 1? |
| 15:07.59 | Iridos | mmh |
| 15:08.23 | catsup | Iridos: not only was the honey bitter, but it ruined the cpu fan |
| 15:08.26 | Iridos | I clicked on the gnome upgrade-icon, now it's showing a bar going from left to right and back for over 10 minutes |
| 15:08.45 | Iridos | catsup, but there was honey and he salvaged it... SO IT WASN'T ALL THAT BAD! |
| 15:08.58 | catsup | hahaha troo!! |
| 15:09.23 | lapsusbrutus | Hi guys, Just installed debian desktop system, frsh install. I cant adjust screen from the gui tool. What could be wrong? Using Mesa GLX Indirect.. glxgears sais 1000+ FPS, but outputted on screen its at best 4. :p |
| 15:09.29 | ttiicc | okej thanks, and no configuration would be damaged by that command? becase Im using that server for ETL operations so script might be processing something which has been dropped in one of the SMB folders. |
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| 15:09.44 | catsup | 10:05 <Iridos> funny thing, what he describes actually does exactly justify calling it unstable |
| 15:09.50 | catsup | ^^ and yet its name is 'sid' |
| 15:10.10 | ttiicc | In my earlier post configuration=active process! |
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| 15:11.03 | ttiicc | and I could telinit 1 with out a problem once I'm in rc2 ? |
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| 15:12.24 | ttiicc | Debian has got it's name convention from Toy Story and in that movie there's a character which tried to brake all the toys and his name is Sid. That why unstable is always called Sid! |
| 15:13.17 | ajikeshi | mhh i would prefer bill oder steve :D |
| 15:13.33 | G__81 | hi |
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| 15:15.38 | karlpinc_ | ttiicc: You can always telinit 1 to drop back to single user. (Assuming you've not broken your rc scripts.) |
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| 15:17.05 | Iridos | catsup, what ttiicc said... sid is not only mentally unstable, but also evil :) |
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| 15:19.28 | catsup | Iridos: an evil OS is what some of us prefer |
| 15:19.29 | dkr | and vicious |
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| 15:23.14 | catsup | related (it's a sid vicious cover): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oOoFw-T7Y8 |
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| 15:23.57 | sethrd | So, stupid question, but that's the kind of guy I am. I installed compiz on a new squeeze laptop, messed around with it, but really don't care for the additional resources being used up. How do I go about removing it? aptitude remove compiz removes it, but gnome still tries to use it. |
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| 15:24.52 | sethrd | I changed the entry in gconf in /desktop/gnome/session/required_components to be gnome-wm again, but still doesn't work properly |
| 15:25.11 | MyWay | hello, is there any software/script that sends mail alerts for a possible DOS? |
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| 15:25.57 | pipeline | MyWay: if you're being ddosed, you're not going to be able to send mail |
| 15:26.05 | pipeline | MyWay: you need external monitoring |
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| 15:27.17 | sethrd | Disregard. I'm a fool. Set that gconf entry to metacity instead of gnome-wm and it worked perfect. |
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| 15:27.55 | catsup | lol, jeeze, don't be so hard on yourself |
| 15:27.58 | MyWay | it's pointless an alert if I'm receiving much traffic from some IP, pipeline? |
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| 15:29.07 | pipeline | MyWay: yes |
| 15:29.16 | MyWay | ok pipeline, thank you |
| 15:29.18 | pipeline | MyWay: for one thing, a denial of service of attack is going to be distributed |
| 15:29.32 | pipeline | MyWay: there will be dozens, hundreds, or thousands of IPs. |
| 15:29.33 | MyWay | I thought it could help ;p |
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| 15:29.51 | pipeline | MyWay: what would help is external monitoring and a failover site, so you a.) know when you're down and b.) have a plan 'B' |
| 15:30.19 | pipeline | MyWay: the worst thing about a ddos is that often you can't even firewall it out |
| 15:30.37 | pipeline | MyWay: they'll have enough clients that just the packets they send, the packets being dropped by the firewall, is enough to overwhelm your firewall, your network connection, or both :( |
| 15:30.49 | abrotman | you really can't at all .. your system has already received the packets, and you're also now trying to filter them .. |
| 15:30.51 | MyWay | eheh, bad :( |
| 15:30.53 | lapsusbrutus | I just installed Debian on a docked laptop.. How to manage screens? Its connected to a 24" one.. The integrated one went black (wich is good) BUT resolution on the big one isnt as it should.. This will all be possible to fix in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 15:31.05 | MyWay | hi abrotman :) |
| 15:31.08 | pipeline | MyWay: yes. The only things you can do are external monitoring and external failover. |
| 15:31.41 | pipeline | lapsusbrutus: you can make changes dynamically with xrandr. Xrandr is a standard protocol, so there are a bunch of gui tools that do what xrandr does, but the xrandr cli tool is nearly always installed. |
| 15:32.10 | pipeline | lapsusbrutus: on my laptop, I have shell scripts that make calls to xrandr to set up my monitors in particular ways. (e.g. office.sh, internal-panel.sh, mirror-for-projector.sh) |
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| 15:33.28 | pipeline | MyWay: there are some things you can do to make denial-of-service more difficult... e.g. disable password attempt lockout in ssh (so they can't lock you out of your own server just by deliberately trying wrong passwords) and lowering the max number of http processes/clients (so a single IP address can't d-o-s you by causing your system to swap like mad.) |
| 15:33.48 | pipeline | MyWay: but when it comes down to it, with a distributed attack, all you can do is respond a dime short and a day late :( |
| 15:34.06 | MyWay | thank you very much pipeline :) |
| 15:34.29 | lapsusbrutus | pipeline: Thanks a lot for info:) You want to share the scripts with me? :D |
| 15:35.13 | lapsusbrutus | thinking of downloading intels drivers.. but also thinking that it might not be a very good idea.. |
| 15:35.20 | pipeline | #!/bin/bash -x |
| 15:35.21 | pipeline | xrandr --output DP1 --off |
| 15:35.21 | pipeline | xrandr --output VGA1 --auto |
| 15:35.21 | pipeline | xrandr --output HDMI2 --auto --right-of VGA1 |
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| 15:35.29 | pipeline | didn't think four lines would get me kicked |
| 15:35.40 | lapsusbrutus | ouch :p |
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| 15:35.47 | pipeline | I should have known better |
| 15:35.52 | pipeline | it must use a timer, not a simple volume measurement |
| 15:35.59 | pipeline | because I routinely blither on for longer than four lines |
| 15:36.44 | pipeline | at any rate the scripts are very, very simple. I just tire of sitting and clicking around in a gui tool to set up my monitors in one of a small number of configurations I use frequently. |
| 15:37.08 | pipeline | writing my configs statically into xorg.conf is a PITA to test, and needlessly complicated, since I can do it dynamically with xrandr anyway |
| 15:37.16 | yebyen | Hello, I've contributed an update to Exherbo to package the latest e16keyedit, and I've just noticed that it's not in Sid... I intend to update the .dsc and provide a patch to the maintainer, jbernard... is that anyone here? |
| 15:37.30 | lapsusbrutus | Very nice info :D |
| 15:37.41 | pipeline | yebyen: as debian maintainer he's going to have a public e-mail. Send your patch to his e-mail. |
| 15:38.06 | yebyen | pipeline: ok. i've been a debian user for ages, but I've never been through this in debian land... |
| 15:38.19 | yebyen | exherbo guys all seem to check in on IRC |
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| 15:38.44 | yebyen | they have a patch-bot called zebrapig, and you don't have to bother the particular maintainer unless it's something unofficial |
| 15:38.53 | yebyen | any dev can do it |
| 15:39.00 | yebyen | pipeline: thanks |
| 15:39.07 | stew | yebyen: the best way to do this is to report a bug against the package with reportbug and attach the patch to the report |
| 15:39.20 | yebyen | cool |
| 15:39.25 | stew | this is far better than sending email directly to the maintainer |
| 15:39.34 | pipeline | I would never have thought of that. |
| 15:39.36 | stew | (as it will be of public record) |
| 15:39.47 | yebyen | and that is really why i am asking |
| 15:39.54 | yebyen | cause i was sure there is very well established procedure |
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| 15:40.29 | yebyen | it's just a version behind, probably a simple patch... |
| 15:41.29 | yebyen | ooh, reportbug-ng |
| 15:42.01 | jelly | it's not that better from reportbug! |
| 15:42.36 | yebyen | yes, but it's a qt frontend |
| 15:42.44 | yebyen | another example of interface design to look at |
| 15:42.51 | yebyen | i'm going to have to make one of these sooner or later |
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| 15:44.16 | disposable | how do i append e.g. .com to every first word of a line in a file? |
| 15:45.15 | yebyen | disposable: i would do it using awk -F |
| 15:45.26 | yebyen | disposable: the solution would be at least a couple of lines... |
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| 15:46.16 | yebyen | really you don't need the -F if by word you mean before the first whitespace |
| 15:46.22 | pozic_ | /usr/lib/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer-0.10/gst-plugin-scanner -l uses 100% of my CPU. |
| 15:46.23 | yebyen | man awk |
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| 15:46.47 | pozic_ | Can I scan something without using that? |
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| 15:47.27 | pozic_ | (How people can build software using 100% CPU while doing absolutely nothing is beyond me) |
| 15:47.38 | yebyen | something like `awk '{ print $1 }'`... |
| 15:47.43 | disposable | yebyen: what's the regexp for first whitespace? |
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| 15:47.52 | yebyen | will give you the first field |
| 15:47.57 | dvs | tell pozic_ about Windows |
| 15:47.58 | dvs | ;-) |
| 15:48.21 | yebyen | i don't know what to do with xargs to apply something to every line, i would probably use a for loop |
| 15:48.27 | pozic_ | dvs: what about it? |
| 15:48.35 | yebyen | xargs echo {}.com, if xargs had syntax like find |
| 15:48.46 | dvs | <pozic_> (How people can build software using 100% CPU while doing absolutely nothing is beyond me) |
| 15:48.54 | tharkun | I think i found a bug in a program, Where can i report it or how do i do that? |
| 15:49.15 | yebyen | bugs.debian.org |
| 15:49.19 | pozic_ | tharkun: you execute the program called reportbug |
| 15:49.21 | skamikaze | yebyen: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 15:49.32 | skamikaze | oops sry wrong highlight |
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| 15:50.05 | pozic_ | dvs: Windows is not that bad; it has just attracted a huge number of amateur developers. |
| 15:50.15 | tharkun | pozic_: at this moment i am not on a debian running machine so the url will have to do |
| 15:50.23 | pozic_ | dvs: and it used to be a terrible system, yes. |
| 15:50.39 | pozic_ | dvs: and today to make it useful you have to install MSYS. |
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| 15:51.22 | Mikaze | Something change in apache2? Had my website up and running, and friends were accessing it, and now it's down. Didn't change anything in apache2 but a web page in /var/www/* I can still access it from my laptop via 192.168.11.100, and locally via localhost, but not by the rivensight.dyndns.org URL. Disabling Port Triggering in the router will permit the router's setup screen to appear using the domain name. Firewall off or on, the web |
| 15:51.52 | disposable | yebyen: i've done it in vim with %s/\s/.com/ |
| 15:52.20 | pipeline | Mikaze: probably a bad virtualhosting configuration, or a bad NAT on your upstream firewall. |
| 15:52.41 | pipeline | Mikaze: given the weird behaviour in the "router," gonna guess it's the latter |
| 15:52.56 | Mikaze | I'm not virtual hosting, and the firewall rules haven't changed. |
| 15:53.00 | petemc | Mikaze: works here |
| 15:53.46 | karlpinc_ | disposable: Emacs macros are painless. Awk sounds simple but requires you rtfm. |
| 15:54.01 | Mikaze | It's working? Wonder why my laptop on the same network can't access it via the domainname. |
| 15:54.09 | karlpinc_ | Mikaze: Perhaps your IP changed and dydns has not yet caught up? |
| 15:54.29 | Mikaze | Hasn't caught up for days then. |
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| 15:55.06 | pipeline | Mikaze: dyndns doesn't automatically update, iirc. I think you have to run a script that tells them when your ip changes. |
| 15:55.06 | bannas | hi all |
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| 15:55.28 | robokop | Mikaze: i get some results here, a list of links and stuff from RivenSight ent |
| 15:55.31 | bannas | I have a problem, I can't connect to a network.. here it is the syslog log |
| 15:55.39 | bannas | http://pastebin.com/u3BPAsda |
| 15:55.40 | karlpinc_ | Mikaze: Do you have the domain name defined on the LAN, which will e different than that on the net because you're natting (or you would not need dynamic dns.) |
| 15:55.45 | bannas | I have tried all |
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| 15:56.03 | bannas | I modified the /etc/network/interfaces in order to use static ip address |
| 15:56.08 | Mikaze | Okay, thank you. I guess it's the stewpid Windows laptop then. |
| 15:57.09 | Mikaze | Some really good Italian family recipes, there, btw... |
| 15:57.15 | karlpinc_ | Mikaze: More like a routing problem. Your router is not bouncing (and also natting) back into your lan. |
| 15:57.27 | lapsusbrutus | pipeline: Nothing happens when i use xrandr.. Also can xrandr fix screenresolution problems like desktop bigger than screen.. (have to move mouse around to see all desktop..) |
| 15:58.00 | karlpinc_ | Mikaze: It probably shouldn't. You need that name defined on your lan (i.e. modify your hosts file to the 192.168 address of the server and it will work.) |
| 15:58.04 | pipeline | lapsusbrutus: that's weird, that's a viewport problem... delete your xorg.conf dude |
| 15:58.11 | pipeline | lapsusbrutus: if you have intel graphics, you don't need an xorg.conf. |
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| 15:58.38 | Mikaze | K. If it's working to the outside world, that's all that counts. I can still access the thing via the local IP with the laptop to look it over. Thank you. |
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| 15:58.46 | pipeline | lapsusbrutus: I think xrandr will always set the desktop and viewport to be the same, but I don't know the details :( |
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| 15:59.05 | lapsusbrutus | hmm ok.. Using mesa (without Direct rendering..) But its a very freshly installed system.. and not done anything akward to it.. yet :p |
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| 16:00.47 | arturo393 | can i install debian with kernel 2.6.36.X ?? |
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| 16:01.06 | yebyen | why not? |
| 16:01.18 | yebyen | gotta compile it though |
| 16:01.19 | bannas | no one? |
| 16:01.23 | yebyen | or |
| 16:01.23 | karlpinc_ | bannas: And you've used ifup and ifdown to restart the interface? |
| 16:01.25 | yebyen | liquorix |
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| 16:01.37 | yebyen | arturo393: that was for you |
| 16:01.39 | bannas | karlpinc_: yes of course |
| 16:01.55 | bannas | maybe not the last time of the syslog |
| 16:01.57 | bannas | but before |
| 16:02.00 | karlpinc_ | bannas: And you can ping the assigned ip? |
| 16:02.00 | robokop | arturo393: you can even run it with 2.6.37 if you like |
| 16:02.25 | lapsusbrutus | pipeline, Thanks for advice :) Ill mess around a little. ( I got the same problem with a "Normal" Debian install without X and gnome.. AFter install I ran command: aptitude install xorg awesome .. After startx I got the problem with the "viewport".. Installed over again adding "Desktop" problem still persisted. |
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| 16:02.26 | bannas | karlpinc_: at the univeristy it works, here it doesn't |
| 16:02.51 | karlpinc_ | bannas: So you can't ping your own interface? |
| 16:02.57 | bannas | karlpinc_: here the router requires a static ip address |
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| 16:03.10 | pipeline | lapsusbrutus: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Install gdm or xdm or something. Log in. use xrandr or the gui tool or what have you to experiment. |
| 16:03.10 | bannas | karlpinc_: ah wait, my interfaces... |
| 16:03.17 | bannas | karlpinc_: wait a sec |
| 16:03.39 | karlpinc_ | lapsusbrutus: (or move xorg.conf elsewhere and keep a backup!) |
| 16:04.10 | pipeline | arturo393: recent kernels are made available in the "experimental" branch. Install a conventional debian install, then configure apt-pinning to pin experimental to a low priority, then install a "trunk" linux-image from experimental. |
| 16:04.36 | karlpinc_ | arturo393: Or use backports |
| 16:04.39 | karlpinc_ | !bdo |
| 16:04.40 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 16:04.40 | lapsusbrutus | pipeline: Ok :D Ill do that, Thanks a lot for your help and advice! Im still pretty noob on configuring video it seems :) |
| 16:04.42 | pipeline | arturo393: I wouldn't really, uh, recommend installing a bleeding-edge kernel. The kernel developers no longer maintain "stable" kernels for 2.6, preferring to push that work on the linux distributors. |
| 16:04.46 | bannas | karlpinc_: yes I can ping it |
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| 16:04.54 | karlpinc_ | arturo393: Or kmuto might be the best choice. |
| 16:04.56 | karlpinc_ | !kmuto |
| 16:04.56 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 16:04.58 | arturo393 | my problem is that i have a ext4 partition with my data and i want to mount it on the home directory but debian 5 comes with no support to ext4 . |
| 16:05.16 | karlpinc_ | arturo393: A new kernel from backports is a good option. |
| 16:05.30 | stew | arturo393: debian 5 has the userspace tools to support ext4 and will work with ext4 with a backported kernel |
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| 16:05.41 | karlpinc_ | bannas: Pastebin the output of /sbin/ifconfig |
| 16:05.59 | pipeline | unstable 2.6.32 or backports sound like WAY better plans than pulling 2.6.36 out of experimental :) |
| 16:06.11 | bannas | karlpinc_: when I press the button for the connection and I try to ping something I get connect: Network is unreachable |
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| 16:06.39 | karlpinc_ | bannas: What button? |
| 16:06.40 | bannas | karlpinc_: and the output of ifconfig changes |
| 16:06.42 | stew | aren't there issues with 2.6.36 and udev from stable? or is it the converse (of obverse or whatever) |
| 16:06.57 | karlpinc_ | bannas: Better pastebin your interfaces file. |
| 16:07.00 | bannas | karlpinc_: the networkmanager button about the connection |
| 16:07.03 | stew | perhaps the problems are udev from testing and the 2.6.32 from stable |
| 16:07.18 | bannas | karlpinc_: ok a second because is in another computer |
| 16:07.40 | karlpinc_ | bannas: Ah. I don't know anything about networkmanager. You might need help from someone else. (And it's getting to where I gotta go.) |
| 16:07.53 | bannas | karlpinc_: ah ok thanks anyway |
| 16:08.19 | karlpinc_ | stew: Dunno. Backports are _supposed_ to work with stable. :) |
| 16:08.52 | stew | karlpinc_: yeah, but 2.6.36 isn't bakcported |
| 16:08.59 | karlpinc_ | stew: *doh* |
| 16:09.01 | arturo393 | i just need the kernel to start , then i going to compile from the source. |
| 16:09.28 | arturo393 | it seems that backported images are a good option |
| 16:09.52 | robokop | why do you want to compile your own kernels, it is a real fuss to that |
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| 16:10.55 | arturo393 | robokop: is very easy and i like it. |
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| 16:23.51 | tomatto_ | hi |
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| 16:25.39 | tomatto_ | when pc with debian lost power supply, samba not start after power on, how can solve it? or how clean /var/run/ at startup? |
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| 16:28.08 | dkr | tomatto_: look at /var/log/samba to see why it failed to start |
| 16:28.53 | dkr | tomatto_: /etc/init.d/samba start to manually start |
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| 16:30.58 | [Yatta] | I'm trying toload xft fonts.... but no luck... |
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| 16:31.47 | [Yatta] | I install the fonts then run sudo fc-cache -v -f no luck... |
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| 16:32.58 | jallan | hi all |
| 16:33.05 | jallan | I get this error: connection with a self-assigned address |
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| 16:33.38 | jallan | it's like if I have some dhcp service that gives me another address |
| 16:33.47 | jallan | can you tell me how to sovlve this problem? |
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| 16:35.56 | daniel_1 | hey guys... does anyone of you experience with the hp officejet 6500 printer? i didnt get it to scan... |
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| 16:39.51 | brahman | jallan: you need to give people more information than this. 1 place to start: Application used |
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| 16:41.48 | jallan | brahman: I m using network-manager |
| 16:43.23 | jallan | brahman: it doesn't work neither with the cable nor wireless |
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| 16:46.11 | brahman | jallan: what happens if you use dhclient in a terminal to get an IP? |
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| 16:46.46 | jallan | brahman: I tried dhclient eth0 and the problem is the same |
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| 16:47.20 | brahman | can you paste the output of ifconfig eth0 in a pastebin. |
| 16:48.15 | brahman | jallan: while your at it, can you also paste /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:48.19 | jallan | brahman: the output is different before connecting to the internet and after |
| 16:48.21 | ali3n0 | jallan, try netstat -taun|grep 67 |
| 16:48.36 | jallan | ok |
| 16:48.51 | ali3n0 | and see if something is listening on UDP/67 |
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| 16:49.46 | jallan | brahman: it's in another computer I m copying and past it |
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| 16:53.43 | jallan | brahman: http://pastebin.com/ueybfhLA |
| 16:53.51 | jallan | ali3n0: now I m going to try it |
| 16:54.04 | tomatto_ | dkr: i know,how to start samba manually,in logs nothing, but debian think that samba is already started,because in /var/run/samba are pid files. debian didn't clean any pids in this directory |
| 16:54.36 | jallan | ali3n0: no output |
| 16:54.56 | lapsusbrutus | pipeline: All work now, correct "viewport", even got direct rendering to work, xrandr works and Im allowed to change resolution from debian gui tool too. Thousands FPS instead of 4(lol) on glxgears. Thanks a lot for good advice! :D Im one happy debian user |
| 16:55.00 | ali3n0 | that 169.254.71.45 is a shitty |
| 16:55.14 | ali3n0 | ip address I used to get from network manager too |
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| 16:55.55 | ali3n0 | jallan, just try to kill network-manager and run dhcpclient |
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| 16:58.02 | crazygir | I have a linux VM running a commercial backup application over an encrypted LVM volume. I am going to move the application to a separate virtual disk. Here is my question: if I encrypt this LVM (for the application), provided I know the encryption passphrase, should I be able to hook up this partition to another VM without issue? |
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| 16:58.50 | crazygir | or is there specific configuration, tied to the system the encrypted partition was setup on, that would make moving the partition to another VM troublesome? |
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| 16:59.15 | pipeline | crazygir: no problem, man cryptsetup |
| 16:59.17 | inchworm | err oops sorry |
| 16:59.29 | crazygir | sweet! a manpage :) |
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| 17:00.11 | crazygir | should have run man -l :) |
| 17:00.15 | crazygir | thanks pipeline |
| 17:00.19 | jallan | ali3n0: but why??? I am supposed to use static ip addresses |
| 17:00.43 | ali3n0 | crazygir, just be sure you're using the same kernel version, I remember I wasn't able to mount it on an different machine |
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| 17:01.14 | ali3n0 | jallan, ah sorry I thought you were going for dhcp |
| 17:02.01 | jallan | ali3n0: no, I think it's like there is another dhcp client in my debian that try to assign another ip address as soon I connect to a network.. is it possible? |
| 17:02.37 | ali3n0 | jallan, if you use a static ip, no machine is goint to assign you one |
| 17:02.49 | pipeline | crazygir: you just have to run cryptsetup to setup the plaintext dm device before you can mount. I can't tell you how to do it but it is straightforward. |
| 17:02.58 | jallan | ali3n0: yes but I get it.. |
| 17:03.24 | ali3n0 | jallan, is some network-manager crap. which gnome version? |
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| 17:03.48 | brahman | jallan: apt-get remove network-manager, or switch to KDE!!! ;-) |
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| 17:04.24 | ali3n0 | I must admit it's finally usable on ubuntu, never tried on debian though |
| 17:04.55 | jallan | ali3n0: gnome 2.30.2 |
| 17:05.15 | jallan | brahman: if I remove it how can I connect to a network.. |
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| 17:05.39 | ali3n0 | jallan, network-manager is just a frontend |
| 17:06.03 | ali3n0 | the /etc/network/interface is what you need to configure, nothing else |
| 17:06.13 | jallan | ali3n0: yep but for wireless is very annoying to use the network without it |
| 17:06.17 | maligor | it's not a frontend |
| 17:06.33 | maligor | netowork-manager is a service that configures it, it's an alternative to interface |
| 17:06.43 | brahman | jallan: you have the interfaces file.... read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 17:06.45 | jallan | maligor: and for wireless? |
| 17:06.59 | maligor | NM can configure both, wired and wireless |
| 17:07.07 | ali3n0 | jallan, but there's no trace of wireless interface on your pasted config |
| 17:07.08 | crazygir | ali3n0: that seems nuts.. |
| 17:07.46 | maligor | NM mostly makes sense for mobile systems |
| 17:07.48 | crazygir | (to require the same kernel) |
| 17:07.55 | crazygir | are you sure you didn't have some other issue? |
| 17:08.03 | jallan | ali3n0: yes you're right, I typed only "ifconfig eth0" |
| 17:08.07 | maligor | like a laptop you might want to plug into a ethernet port at home and wireless on the go |
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| 17:08.13 | crazygir | (like your new kernel not having the support you needed) |
| 17:08.21 | jallan | maligor: got it |
| 17:08.24 | jallan | thx |
| 17:08.25 | ali3n0 | crazygir, too far in the past, maybe I was trying to mount it on an ubuntu box |
| 17:08.30 | crazygir | mmm |
| 17:08.39 | crazygir | I would be attaching it to another debian |
| 17:08.46 | jallan | is it possible to temporany disable network manager? |
| 17:08.47 | crazygir | the idea is that the application is not tied to the VM |
| 17:08.55 | datacrusher | where is the procinfo file so i can see my cpu specs |
| 17:08.56 | jallan | instead of uninstalling it |
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| 17:09.00 | ali3n0 | for sure that works, I use it in that way (an encrypted usb disk) |
| 17:09.01 | crazygir | so I can test & redeploy quickly |
| 17:09.04 | jallan | because if I want it again I have to reinstall it |
| 17:09.13 | crazygir | thanks for the input |
| 17:09.42 | ali3n0 | crazygir, can't you just create an archive and decompress it into the new partition? or use rsync for instance |
| 17:10.26 | brahman | jallan: have you read the section where if you want NetworkManager to handle your wired interfaces you need to set managed=true in networkmanager.conf? |
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| 17:11.41 | belby | hi. where is the file that tells startx which wm to open? |
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| 17:12.39 | jallan | brahman: I am going to check it but the problem is not that.. because it doesn't work for wireless connection too |
| 17:13.42 | jallan | brahman: there is no /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf file |
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| 17:15.03 | crazygir | ali3n0: yes, that could be done, but I am just making sure I know what we're getting into :) |
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| 17:16.07 | brahman | jallan: Good luck. Am going home. |
| 17:16.19 | jallan | brahman: k thanks anyway |
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| 17:17.28 | ali3n0 | crazygir, userland processes should be agnostic of what sort of storage you've got under, that's kernel business |
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| 17:21.32 | katsrc | hi all |
| 17:21.45 | jallan | damn network manager ! |
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| 17:22.37 | katsrc | I was wondering what the issue was with Ubuntu's libcairo2 font patches? Is it a licensing issue that excludes them from Debian? |
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| 17:25.06 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: I don't think network manager is the problem here. |
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| 17:25.45 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: uhm, and what can it be? I' m days with this problem.. |
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| 17:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Which release? |
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| 17:28.09 | docelic | Hey folks, the Exim 4.69-9+lenny1 package (recent exim CVE), was it first uploaded to volatile-updates and then later (recently) to security-updates, or it was always in security-updates? |
| 17:28.14 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: squeeze |
| 17:28.31 | docelic | I had a system that was running cron-apt daily, and had security updates in sources.list, but it didn't upgrade this |
| 17:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Can you summarize the original problem? |
| 17:28.35 | jallan | jallan: I was using the stable one but after I made a dist-upgrade |
| 17:28.41 | docelic | until I added volatile repository and ran upgrade myself |
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| 17:29.03 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: of course, the problem is that I cannot connect neither wireless nor wired, |
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| 17:29.25 | jallan | neither with dhcp nor with static ip configuration |
| 17:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | Does ifconfig show either interface? |
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| 17:29.35 | jallan | yes |
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| 17:29.54 | jallan | now I m using static ip because my network requires it and, |
| 17:29.54 | irieKEN | Can anyone recommend a good disk testing utility that will test an entire disk without a filesystem (primarily looking for bad sectors)? |
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| 17:30.16 | zinx | irieKEN: badblocks? :/ |
| 17:30.43 | cathrin-tux | hiya. i'm a little concerned about my SMART data. i'm not sure if its good. can somebody read http://pastie.org/1431628 and confirm if I should be worried? |
| 17:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Please pastebin the interfaces file and the output of ifconfig |
| 17:30.45 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: initially I have an address (that I have set in interfaces) 192.168.1.56 but when I try to connect, if I watch it with ifconfig I get another address |
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| 17:31.05 | irieKEN | zinx: Hmmm, I'll have to look at it. |
| 17:31.08 | i2 | Hello, i know that this is the debian channel, but can you help me please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/550740/ |
| 17:31.32 | stew | i2: no, sorry |
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| 17:31.57 | cathrin-tux | i2: /usr/sbin/laptop_mode: line 1555: 100: command not found |
| 17:31.58 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: here it is (I pasted only the ifconfig eth0 and not the ifconfig -a) |
| 17:32.11 | cathrin-tux | i2: have you checked for accidental typos? |
| 17:32.30 | i2 | cathrin-tux: i will check now |
| 17:32.38 | irieKEN | zinx: Looks like exactly what I was looking for! |
| 17:32.51 | jhutchins_lt | cathrin-tux: Ubuntu support is off topic here, if you want to help him go to #ubuntu or some other channel. |
| 17:33.01 | cathrin-tux | hmm ok |
| 17:33.16 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: You didn't post the url, and I want the full output of ifconfig, not just eth0 |
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| 17:33.17 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: this is the pastebin about the relevant part of the syslog file: http://pastebin.com/u3BPAsda |
| 17:33.42 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ok wait a sec |
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| 17:37.14 | cathrin-tux | i'm a little concerned about my SMART data. i'm not sure if its good. can somebody read http://pastie.org/1431628 and confirm if I should be worried? |
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| 17:38.26 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: here it is: http://pastebin.com/UHN2AFdh |
| 17:39.02 | Ox1 | cathrin-tux: why are you concerned |
| 17:39.57 | irieKEN | cathrin-tux: Looks like you have a failing drive; disk read errors, and reallocated blocks. |
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| 17:40.30 | cathrin-tux | arrgh poop |
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| 17:40.41 | cathrin-tux | ive had the drive replaced already. |
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| 17:41.05 | Ox1 | oh, right, these errors |
| 17:41.37 | cathrin-tux | :( oh well. i guess magnetic storage media isnt what it used to be. i'll change from some weird 400gb failing thingy, to an 18gb scsi. they seem to work. |
| 17:41.54 | irieKEN | cathrin-tux: Laptop? |
| 17:42.00 | Ox1 | lol |
| 17:42.05 | Ox1 | doubts it |
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| 17:43.32 | irieKEN | cathrine-tux: I asked before you said scsi;) |
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| 17:44.28 | Iridos | there are 18GB regular disks? |
| 17:44.35 | saulus | on my freshly installed lenny I have a file "/var/logauth.log". Where may be the "/" missing? |
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| 17:44.50 | daemonkeeper | rsyslog.conf |
| 17:45.02 | daemonkeeper | Or whatever syslog you do use |
| 17:45.17 | irieKEN | Iridos: Cathrine was joking about going back to the old days, when disks would last. |
| 17:45.22 | saulus | what is standard? I dont have rsyslog.conf |
| 17:46.00 | saulus | aptitude tells me I have klogd and sysklogd installed |
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| 17:46.27 | saulus | got it! |
| 17:46.30 | daemonkeeper | Then /etc/syslog.conf |
| 17:46.31 | saulus | thanks daemonkeeper |
| 17:46.37 | Iridos | irieKEN, ah... right... remind me... when was that? Must have been before computers were invented and a "disk" was a solid thing made of bronze |
| 17:47.06 | saulus | Is it on purpose in debian that the file for auth,authpriv.* is /var/logauth.log? Or is it a mistake? |
| 17:47.27 | pipeline | Iridos: oh yeah they made 18G scsi/fc up until pretty recently man |
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| 17:48.35 | irieKEN | cathrin-tux: I was looking at the wrong column of RAW values... 8 reallocated sectors isn't too bad. |
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| 17:49.10 | irieKEN | cathrin-tux: But that depends on how long you've had the drive, and if any more start popping up. |
| 17:49.11 | daemonkeeper | saulus: It is /var/log/auth.log unless you changed it on your own |
| 17:49.33 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: is is not a network manager error what can it be? |
| 17:49.52 | saulus | daemonkeeper: thanks for the check. This debian comes from my server provider. I will report it as a provider bug. |
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| 17:52.07 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Sorry, you were pre-empted. |
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| 17:53.00 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: :D |
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| 17:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: ok, eth2 is working correctly, right? |
| 17:54.34 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: no.. |
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| 17:54.56 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: because this is the situation when I try to connect with eth0 |
| 17:55.15 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: if I try to connect with eth2 doesn't work anyway |
| 17:55.34 | jhutchins_lt | Explain "try to connect with" |
| 17:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 17:55.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 17:56.44 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Also please pastebin the contents of NetworkManager.conf |
| 17:57.15 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: can you tell me where I can find it? because it's not in /etc/NetworkManager |
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| 17:57.51 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: how many files are in /etc/NetworkManager/? |
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| 17:58.09 | cathrin-tux | irieKEN: what about Raw_Read_Error_Rate and Seek_Error_Rate, are they ok? |
| 17:58.11 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: only a folder |
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| 17:58.31 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: dispatcher.d |
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| 18:00.19 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Ok, something's fishy then. I would suggest purging network-manager. You can re-install it if you need it. |
| 18:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | What are the physical connections for eth0 and eth2? |
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| 18:01.13 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: eth0 is a cable, eth2 is wireless |
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| 18:02.37 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: However you said eth2 is not connecting, correct? |
| 18:02.52 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 18:02.53 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 18:03.02 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: yep, it's the same |
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| 18:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | Do you intend to use network-manager for the wifi, or is it going to be static? |
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| 18:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Do you intend to use network-manager for the wifi, or is it going to be static? |
| 18:05.46 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: also the wifi static |
| 18:05.53 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: my network requires static ip |
| 18:05.59 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, in that case aptitude purge network-manager for now. |
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| 18:07.37 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: I'm going to try it.. is it difficoult for the dhcp without network-manager? |
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| 18:08.41 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: No, dhcp is if you do not have static ip. |
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| 18:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: network-manager is if you change connections, like a laptop moving from one network to another. |
| 18:09.19 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 18:09.37 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ah ok.. after I will need it then.. |
| 18:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | I would also like you to disable ipv6. Let me know when your are done with nm. |
| 18:10.13 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ok I removed it |
| 18:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, as root edit /etc/default/grub. line 6 should start with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 18:11.20 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: is for me that? |
| 18:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | At the end of that line add ipv6.disable=1 |
| 18:11.27 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Yes. |
| 18:11.31 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 18:12.46 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ok done it |
| 18:13.06 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: the problem is that now if I try to do an ifup it doesn't work anymore |
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| 18:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | That's ok. |
| 18:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | need to run update-grub |
| 18:13.43 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: bullshits.. now it works |
| 18:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Getting better all the time. |
| 18:14.08 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: I made a ifdown and an ifup eth |
| 18:14.33 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: now I'm going to try it with the cable and see it |
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| 18:16.49 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: doesn't work |
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| 18:17.21 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: it says Network is unreachable when I try to ping |
| 18:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | ok, need to run update-grub and reboot the system with the cable connected, make sure that works. |
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| 18:18.50 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ok I'm going to do it.. can I ask you why I have to disable the ipv6 addresses? |
| 18:19.03 | tharkun | Sorry to bother what is the procedure to aply an upstream patch to a debian package? |
| 18:19.29 | jhutchins_lt | There are a few processes in squeeze that can be quite troublesome if an interface takes an ipv6 address but doesn't have a connection. |
| 18:19.40 | jhutchins_lt | Your eth0 is doing that now. |
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| 18:21.15 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ah ok I m going to reboot and see what happend.. should I do something like: ifup eth0? |
| 18:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Do ifconfig - it should bring eth0 up automatically on boot, and that's something we want to check. |
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| 18:22.21 | jallan | ifconfig -it ok |
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| 18:23.59 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: just ifconfig |
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| 18:24.11 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: yes it seems ok, I m going to reboot now |
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| 18:30.12 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: it seems better now |
| 18:30.50 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: I succeed to ping the router but it is not possible to surf the internet. I have modified now the resolv.conf in order to add the dns |
| 18:31.03 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: and I am going to reboot and test it |
| 18:31.39 | tharkun | Gentlemen how do i search the factoids on dpkg bot for some info on the factoid itself not the key? |
| 18:33.02 | jordanm | tharkun: listvals |
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| 18:33.35 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Nevermind the query, I mis-read. |
| 18:33.54 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: no it doesn't work |
| 18:34.06 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: explain |
| 18:34.53 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: :D |
| 18:35.01 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: I put as gateway the router (as I always did) in the resolv.conf file but I succeed only to ping the router,, I cannot surf the net |
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| 18:35.44 | jordanm | jallan: ping 4.2.2.1 |
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| 18:35.58 | jhutchins_lt | gateway goes in interfaces, resolv.conf if for the DNS config (and takes effect as soon as you save the changes). |
| 18:35.59 | saulus | hmm, using apt-reconfigure to not make user directories world readable did not have any impact. The userdirs are still generated with mask 755 and not 751. Where may be this issue to look for? |
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| 18:36.21 | saulus | hmm, using apt-reconfigure to not make user directories world readable did not have any impact. The userdirs are still generated with mask 755 and not 751. Where may be this issue to look for? I ment "apt-reconfigure adduser" |
| 18:36.41 | saulus | ...dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:37.28 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: sorry I put .11 instead of .1 now it works |
| 18:37.32 | jallan | jordanm: it worked, I put .11 instead of .1 |
| 18:37.36 | xyan | saulus: edit /etc/login.defs (UMASK) |
| 18:38.04 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: ok now it works.. so I can install again network-manager right? |
| 18:38.09 | jordanm | jallan: then use 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf |
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| 18:38.28 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Yes, What GUI do you use? |
| 18:38.30 | jallan | jordanm: it works jordanm with 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:38.35 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: gnome |
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| 18:39.02 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: sudo apt-get install network-manager? |
| 18:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: Ok, you're going to want to use the gnome applet to set it up, and I have no knowledge of that (kde here). |
| 18:39.14 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: I make a habit of using aptitude. |
| 18:39.17 | tharkun | jordanm: Do you happen to know the factoid that explains what package to use to download an upstream version of a package so it can be repackaged for debian? |
| 18:39.32 | jhutchins_lt | !ssb |
| 18:39.32 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:39.50 | laurus | aptitude is the proper one to use on Debian, right? |
| 18:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | !uupdate |
| 18:39.54 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
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| 18:40.03 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: thx |
| 18:40.08 | ericP | how hard is it to install a source deb converted from RPM? |
| 18:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: preferred. |
| 18:40.15 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: I am going to try it |
| 18:40.15 | saulus | thx xyan |
| 18:40.19 | laurus | jhutchins_lt :) |
| 18:40.24 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: thank you for all, you were very helpful |
| 18:40.28 | ericP | i'm trying with an alien'd libxml2-2.7.8-1.src.rpm and am seeing 'Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libxml2_2.7.8-2_amd64.deb"' |
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| 18:41.00 | jhutchins_lt | jallan: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 18:41.01 | xyan | saulus: thats just for the home dirs itself, if you want to change the umask for the users itself you can hack up the stuff in /etc/skel/ |
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| 18:41.36 | jallan | jhutchins_lt: cheers! |
| 18:42.01 | xyan | ericP: did you use dpkg on the resulting .deb file? |
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| 18:42.25 | jhutchins_lt | !alien |
| 18:42.25 | dpkg | [alien] a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 18:42.35 | jordanm | ericP: why not install debian's libxml2? alien should be considered a last resort for proprietary applications where the source is not available |
| 18:43.31 | jhutchins_lt | ericP: Just because you CAN install something with alien doesn't mean your system will work afterwards. Using libraries from other distributions is particularly hazardous. |
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| 18:44.18 | tharkun | !in between distros hell |
| 18:44.36 | xyan | judd: versions libxml2 |
| 18:44.37 | judd | Package libxml2 on i386 -- etch: 2.6.27.dfsg-6+etch1; etch-security: 2.6.27.dfsg-6+etch1; lenny: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3; sid: 2.7.8.dfsg-2; squeeze: 2.7.8.dfsg-2 |
| 18:44.50 | saulus | xyan: yeah, I read about it in the /etc/login.defs file. But I think this place is what dpkg-reconfigure useradd wants to change but doesnt get to. It is recommended to use pam_umask though. |
| 18:44.59 | saulus | But this is what I wanted |
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| 18:45.11 | xyan | saulus: alright |
| 18:46.03 | ericP | xyan, nope, tried aptitute: sudo aptitude install libxml2_2.7.8-2_amd64.deb |
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| 18:46.15 | jordanm | ericP: aptitude install libxml2 |
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| 18:46.48 | xyan | ericP: aptitude installs packages from the repo.. try what jordanm said, if you still need to install the alienized package for whatever reason use dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 18:46.51 | ericP | jordanm, i need to hack the source a lot to extend the xml schema validator |
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| 18:47.36 | n-iCe | hi, is there any way to give apt-get access to other user without being root? |
| 18:47.37 | jordanm | ericP: apt-get source libxml2 |
| 18:47.41 | xyan | ericP: apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage might be of interest for you then |
| 18:47.58 | jordanm | n-iCe: yes, but you might as well give them root |
| 18:48.25 | n-iCe | jordanm: HOW |
| 18:48.25 | n-iCe | :D |
| 18:48.35 | jordanm | n-iCe: /etc/sudoers |
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| 18:48.47 | n-iCe | hehe what does that mean |
| 18:48.59 | xyan | $EDITOR /etc/sudoers |
| 18:49.00 | ericP | on apt-get source |
| 18:49.03 | jordanm | n-iCe: configure sudo to allow them to run the "aptitude" command |
| 18:49.06 | ericP | tx jordanm, xyan |
| 18:49.13 | jordanm | ericP: np |
| 18:49.36 | jordanm | xyan: debian has /usr/bin/editor |
| 18:49.45 | jordanm | xyan: $EDITOR may not be set |
| 18:49.51 | ericP | what's the quick invocation for how to build up to, but not including, install with a source deb? |
| 18:50.02 | jordanm | !ssb |
| 18:50.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:50.17 | jordanm | !tell ericP about package recompile |
| 18:51.02 | ericP | ahh, looks like mr dpkg is helping me now |
| 18:51.35 | jhutchins_lt | !botsnack |
| 18:51.35 | dpkg | aw, gee, jhutchins_lt |
| 18:51.39 | jordanm | yep, our friendly kick-ass bot :) |
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| 18:56.39 | irieKEN | Anyone know how to revive an SD card that won't format via gparted (card is known to be good)? It will reformat in a camera that I have, but I'd like to be able to revive it via Linux. |
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| 18:57.39 | jordanm | recalls a slashdot post where a win mo device will cause irreversable changes to the card |
| 18:57.48 | jordanm | perhaps your camera as well? |
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| 18:58.56 | ericP | jordanm, xyan, is there a convention for enabling debugging syms when i'm about to kick off dpkg-buildpackage (which i expect will invoke ./configure)? |
| 18:59.32 | ericP | CFLAGS='-g -O0' or OPTIM='-g -O0' or the like? |
| 18:59.43 | irieKEN | jordanm: The card's good, but it's gparted won't play nice with it after running a benchmarking utility on it... However, pop it in the camera, and it comes back to life after running the camera's format utility. |
| 18:59.59 | jordanm | ericP: debain/rules is the makefile that executes the build |
| 19:00.12 | jordanm | ericP: dpkg-buildpackage calls all the targets in that makefile |
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| 19:00.24 | irieKEN | jordanm: The gparted/fdisk/etc all work fine once the camera reformats the card. |
| 19:00.27 | ssve | hi |
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| 19:01.45 | ssve | i was wondering which version of debian should i be installing now, lenny is what i had in mind and would this be the right file to download, debian-507-i386-DVD-5.iso |
| 19:01.57 | karlpinc_ | irieKEN: Some cards don't really follow the standards. Sandisk and transmeta seem to do so. You could see what dmesg says about the card and google that. |
| 19:02.18 | karlpinc_ | ssve: You want the netinstall cd. |
| 19:02.26 | jordanm | ssve: no, thats the last of 5 DVDS. netinst CD |
| 19:02.27 | ssve | i want the DVD iso |
| 19:02.39 | ssve | where is the netinstall cd |
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| 19:02.44 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 19:02.44 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:02.53 | ssve | yeah i want the dvd iso |
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| 19:02.58 | karlpinc_ | ssve: The dvd only makes sense if you don't have regular net access. |
| 19:02.58 | ssve | i read that on the site |
| 19:03.05 | ericP | jordanm, hmm, looks like it's in this bit o' make: ifneq (,$(findstring noopt,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) -- if only i knew how to influence it. i guess i can *gasp* edit the make file |
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| 19:03.09 | ssve | i do have net access but i dont want to go about updating |
| 19:03.16 | ssve | atleast not for awhile |
| 19:03.36 | karlpinc_ | ssve: It'll still be faster to install the netinstall. You don't download stuff you don't install. |
| 19:03.37 | ssve | if i do the netinstall then i'll have to update like a zillion pkgs wont i |
| 19:03.42 | jordanm | ericP: nothing wrong with editing the makefile. likely, you just need to edit DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
| 19:04.01 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Understand? |
| 19:04.14 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Also if you are new to debian see: |
| 19:04.19 | karlpinc_ | !tell ssve about overview |
| 19:04.26 | ssve | thing is i dont know what i want and what i dont, so im installing whatever there is and then as i understand it i'll remove it |
| 19:04.42 | irieKEN | karlpinc: I'll give that route another go, but I think that I ran into a wall with the dmesg errors. |
| 19:04.56 | jordanm | ssve: I would recommend just starting with "standard system" and "default desktop" from the netinst |
| 19:04.58 | ssve | ok i got the pvt query |
| 19:05.23 | ssve | are you all using lenny |
| 19:05.32 | karlpinc_ | ssve: That will get you something really fat. Eaiser to install all of gnome and kde (whichever you don't install during install.) |
| 19:05.37 | ssve | i cant see any other stable version for debian besides lenny |
| 19:05.53 | karlpinc_ | ssve: It's a matter of taste. (Lenny is it, otherwise you run testing.) |
| 19:06.10 | ssve | ok |
| 19:06.23 | ssve | but if i do the cd iso wont i be mnissing out on a lot of security patches |
| 19:06.42 | karlpinc_ | ssve: You will want to upgrade though when squeeze becomes the new stable. |
| 19:06.52 | karlpinc_ | ssve: No, the installer installs security updates. |
| 19:06.57 | ssve | oh sweet |
| 19:06.58 | rlinuxguy2 | nice |
| 19:07.03 | rlinuxguy2 | debian is nice :) |
| 19:07.04 | ssve | ok so let me get this right |
| 19:07.08 | karlpinc_ | ssve: You should make sure you do the same on a regular basis. |
| 19:07.15 | ssve | ido the netinstall |
| 19:07.39 | ssve | it installs whatever is necessary and then if i need to do more, the installer does the upgrades or whatever? |
| 19:07.58 | karlpinc_ | ssve: I like (and run) stable, becuase it never breaks. (And it upgrades to the next stable without problems so long as I follow the release notes of the new release.) |
| 19:08.12 | ssve | how do you upgrade |
| 19:08.20 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Right. |
| 19:08.27 | ssve | is it simplistic like in fedora where you just tell yum to do it |
| 19:08.30 | ssve | and it does |
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| 19:09.02 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Minor upgrades are done with "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" as are security updates. You can also press a button that shows up on the gnome desktop. Dunno about kde. |
| 19:09.14 | ssve | ok sweet |
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| 19:09.25 | ssve | now which file do i need here |
| 19:09.28 | ssve | i386 i assume |
| 19:09.33 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Major upgrades, from one release to the next, every few years, are done by following the release notes found on debian.org. |
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| 19:09.53 | ssve | ok |
| 19:10.10 | ssve | yeah but it doesnt involve having to backup and cleanup and then do an upgrade or something |
| 19:10.16 | karlpinc_ | ssve: (on the front page. You can see what's there now to upgrade _to_ lenny.) Note that most of it is verbage. There's not much to type. |
| 19:10.17 | ssve | the installer does it right away ? |
| 19:10.33 | jordanm | !install guide |
| 19:10.33 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.7) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 19:10.34 | karlpinc_ | ssve: You _always_ want backups. :) |
| 19:10.48 | karlpinc_ | ssve: "it"? |
| 19:11.00 | ssve | like for a major upgrade |
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| 19:11.28 | ssve | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.30 | karlpinc_ | ssve: There's no real "cleanup". The release notes has some suggestions about making sure you've enough disk, etc. |
| 19:11.35 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Sounds right. |
| 19:11.45 | ssve | so whats the other files? |
| 19:11.55 | ssve | there's liek a shitload of iso i386 here |
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| 19:12.10 | ssve | like from cd1 -30 |
| 19:12.23 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Stick to the software in the debian repos, what's supported by debian, and you're safe on upgrade. Install stuff from elsewhere and you're doing your own system's integration and will need to deal with breakage. |
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| 19:12.47 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Just the netinstall. Debian has a shitload of software available. |
| 19:12.51 | ssve | ok |
| 19:12.58 | ssve | so do i need the others? |
| 19:13.03 | jordanm | !dstats sid |
| 19:13.27 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Note that sometime in next few months we'll have a new stable release. You'll have a year (iirc) to upgrade before going out of security support. |
| 19:13.35 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 30627 packages, 2201 maintainers, 99318 MB installed size, 37227 MB compressed size. |
| 19:13.37 | karlpinc_ | ssve: No. netinstall downloads only what you need. |
| 19:13.58 | ssve | im lost |
| 19:14.12 | ssve | we have a yr before we lose security support? |
| 19:14.30 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Once there's a new stable release the old release has a year of security support. |
| 19:14.31 | rozie | ssve: more or less |
| 19:14.37 | ssve | oh right so in that yr if you dont upgrade, you're EOL |
| 19:14.46 | ssve | woah thatas fast |
| 19:14.49 | rozie | depends on a package |
| 19:14.49 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Stuff still works, but you could get cracked. |
| 19:15.02 | ssve | rightr right i get it |
| 19:15.15 | ssve | so for a yr im set |
| 19:15.16 | jordanm | ssve: its actually not very fast in comparison to other distros. unless you are comparing to SLES or RHEL |
| 19:15.18 | ssve | thats not too bad actually |
| 19:15.19 | karlpinc_ | ssve: There's a new stable release every few years. |
| 19:15.26 | rozie | ssve: yes, that right. but you have ensured upgrade... |
| 19:15.36 | rozie | ssve: which package bothers you? |
| 19:15.38 | ssve | jordanm: well i like it we dont have to keep upgrading and updadting like most |
| 19:15.43 | ssve | i was downloading a fedora dvd iso |
| 19:15.48 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Me too. |
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| 19:15.51 | ssve | then gave thought about debian |
| 19:15.54 | ssve | and figured i'll ask |
| 19:16.05 | ssve | cancelled that download, it was up for 4 hrs, had 2 hrs left lol |
| 19:16.09 | danols | hi all |
| 19:16.38 | karlpinc_ | ssve: But, you're coming in at the "wrong time". You could try installing testing and having it become stable (use the name squeeze) underneath you. But things may break until testing is stable. |
| 19:16.41 | ssve | rozie: i dont knwo if any will at this moment |
| 19:16.42 | danols | this is a newb queestion but how can I backup one file using tar but have it append incremental time stamp or something ? |
| 19:16.57 | ssve | this netinstall is friggin small, only 33 mnins to finish |
| 19:16.59 | danols | i'm looking at man tar and can't figure out the syntax |
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| 19:17.13 | karlpinc_ | ssve: You do also want to see the other repos in the <overview> factoid. |
| 19:17.14 | ssve | karlpinc_: im not a programmer |
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| 19:17.22 | rozie | ssve: don't worry before you have to |
| 19:17.24 | ssve | so me on testing is not exactly a great idea |
| 19:17.34 | rozie | some people have problem with php4 |
| 19:17.45 | ssve | karlpinc_: what repors |
| 19:17.47 | ssve | repos |
| 19:17.54 | rozie | well, they clients demand php4 for they broken apps |
| 19:18.02 | ssve | !overview |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <kmuto>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <volatile>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian-live>. |
| 19:18.16 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Thing is, some people don't like older stuff. firefox (aka iceweasel in debian) is 3.0.5, unless you get something newer from backports. |
| 19:18.18 | rozie | but can't recall any other package which is needed in older version |
| 19:18.32 | ssve | you cant run a newer version of firefox in stablke? |
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| 19:18.48 | rozie | ssve: yes, with backports.org |
| 19:18.49 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Sure. Get it from backports. |
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| 19:18.57 | karlpinc_ | !tell ssve about iceweasel |
| 19:19.28 | ssve | ok im lost |
| 19:19.31 | karlpinc_ | ssve: There's newer versions of most major packages. |
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| 19:19.37 | ssve | iceweasel is like firefox?? |
| 19:19.48 | rozie | ssve: take it easy. read www.debian.org... |
| 19:19.51 | karlpinc_ | !tell ssve about why iceweasel |
| 19:20.02 | rozie | ssve: yes. and: no |
| 19:20.07 | karlpinc_ | ssve: It's a legal thing. |
| 19:20.13 | ssve | ok same shit different logos ok |
| 19:20.14 | rozie | ssve: iceweasel is something like icecat |
| 19:20.23 | tdn | How do I upgrade from lenny/stable to testing so that it will become stable when squeeze is released? |
| 19:20.23 | rozie | ssve: no! |
| 19:20.28 | rozie | different license! |
| 19:20.37 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Yes, exactly the same, but debian backports security fixes. |
| 19:20.43 | ssve | ok |
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| 19:20.54 | ssve | how come fedoroa and stuff have the full thing then? |
| 19:21.03 | ssve | nvm so long as it acts lkike firefox im fine |
| 19:21.11 | ssve | and not like opera |
| 19:21.13 | karlpinc_ | tdn: You follow the new release notes for squeeze. (and use the name "squeeze) |
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| 19:21.44 | karlpinc_ | tdn: They're somewhere on the debian-installer page. I find them by a link, somewhere, from the wiki. Letssee.... |
| 19:21.50 | karlpinc_ | !lenny->squeeze |
| 19:22.00 | ssve | whats etch |
| 19:22.04 | ssve | !etch |
| 19:22.05 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 19:22.34 | karlpinc_ | tdn: Well,the factoid did not find it for me. |
| 19:22.48 | karlpinc_ | ssve: It has to do with the debian social contract. |
| 19:22.52 | ssve | so debian stable versions are based on the name and not numbering? |
| 19:22.57 | ssve | from etch it went to lenny |
| 19:22.58 | tdn | karlpinc_, release notes for squeeze? But it is not released yet, is it? |
| 19:23.11 | ssve | karlpinc_: ok |
| 19:23.15 | karlpinc_ | ssve: There's a number also. Lenny is 5. |
| 19:23.24 | ssve | how old nis lenny then? |
| 19:23.27 | ssve | 5 yrs? |
| 19:23.29 | rozie | tdn: but there are release notes |
| 19:23.33 | rozie | ssve: less |
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| 19:23.40 | rlinuxguy2 | wow |
| 19:23.41 | karlpinc_ | !release history |
| 19:23.42 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. And Wheezy after that. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html . |
| 19:23.42 | ssve | not bad |
| 19:23.42 | rlinuxguy2 | it's young |
| 19:23.42 | rozie | ssve: distrowatch.org is your friend |
| 19:23.54 | tdn | rozie, ok. |
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| 19:24.11 | rozie | tdn: not final version, but look reasonable |
| 19:24.17 | ssve | when is squeeze due to release |
| 19:24.20 | rozie | TBH, works for me |
| 19:24.28 | rozie | ssve: when it's ready! |
| 19:24.32 | tdn | ssve, when it is ready, sooner if you help |
| 19:24.35 | tdn | ssve, :) |
| 19:24.35 | rozie | (as usual) |
| 19:24.39 | rlinuxguy2 | what's it gonna have rozie |
| 19:24.46 | ssve | not like next month right |
| 19:24.54 | ssve | cause im downloading here |
| 19:25.23 | karlpinc_ | !debian social contract |
| 19:25.23 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose. See: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 19:25.40 | karlpinc_ | !guess the release date |
| 19:25.40 | dpkg | Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
| 19:25.58 | ssve | btw all that eye candy ubuntu desktop appearance stuff, can we get that in debiain |
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| 19:26.14 | ssve | does it come with the netinstall or i need to update? |
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| 19:26.38 | karlpinc_ | ssve: I'm guessing 2 months. Things always take longer than it seems. There may be a big excited push that makes the new release come out in the next few weeks. Who knows? |
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| 19:26.46 | ssve | ok |
| 19:27.04 | ssve | so then lenny would have a yr before it loses support? |
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| 19:27.17 | ssve | even if squeeze was released in 2 months |
| 19:27.22 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Right. |
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| 19:27.45 | stealth-fone | I've had an old VPS sitting around and didn't realize Etch was coming off of the mirrors. It's hosting MySQL, Apache2, and PHP... Before I make a critical mistake, is updating the source list for apt to stable and crossing my fingers on a dist-upgrade an acceptable solution to go current? |
| 19:27.52 | stealth-fone | Thanks in advance for your help. |
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| 19:28.04 | karlpinc_ | !compiz |
| 19:28.04 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:28.17 | sudoman | i'm running squeeze on a ppc machine. today, the mouse and keyboard are unresponsive. i've tried updating the system in resucue mode on lenny, but it didn't fix the issue. also i couldn't enable cltl-alt-backspace from the resuce cd |
| 19:28.21 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Compiz is where all the bling is. |
| 19:28.23 | ssve | compiz is the eye candy stuff right |
| 19:28.26 | ssve | yeah i remember |
| 19:28.26 | ssve | thanks |
| 19:28.29 | ssve | couoldnt get the name |
| 19:28.42 | ssve | compiz is available in the netinstall? |
| 19:28.46 | sudoman | ... i tried to enable the x kill to get to a terminal, but it isn't functional |
| 19:29.00 | b0x_ | i think i just locked myself out of my machine with rssh (remotely) |
| 19:29.11 | karlpinc_ | stealth-fone: Read and follow the etch->lenny release notes on the front page of debian.org. |
| 19:29.27 | Bushmills | sudoman: as root, chvt 1 |
| 19:29.33 | ssve | where can i see the pkgs for netinstall |
| 19:29.34 | stealth-fone | karlpinc_: And those will apply to a remote VPS, not a local machine? |
| 19:29.45 | ssve | is it listed somewhere |
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| 19:29.50 | karlpinc_ | ssve: Dunno. It's installable after install. The factoid says look at the wiki so that's what I'd do. |
| 19:29.53 | Bushmills | oh, unresponsive keyboard ... |
| 19:30.06 | karlpinc_ | stealth-fone: Sure. Let me think though... 2 things. |
| 19:30.20 | sudoman | Bushmills: do i do that in rescue mode under chroot? |
| 19:30.24 | ssve | yeah doing that |
| 19:31.14 | karlpinc_ | !tell stealth-fone about etch sources.list |
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| 19:31.44 | Bushmills | sudoman: no, you'd do that to change to a console if ctrl-alt-Fn doesn't |
| 19:31.48 | stealth-fone | thanks karlpinc_ ;) |
| 19:31.57 | ssve | thanks guys |
| 19:32.01 | ssve | will burn and return! |
| 19:32.03 | Bushmills | (from X, that is) |
| 19:32.06 | ssve | burn cd |
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| 19:32.16 | ssve | thanks karlpinc_ , roze., etc |
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| 19:32.35 | karlpinc_ | stealth-fone: There was a bug in the release notes..... |
| 19:32.42 | sudoman | Bushmills: how can i type that in if the keyboard and mouse aren't responsive? |
| 19:32.51 | stealth-fone | I'll read up to it, after I get my Etch current. |
| 19:33.06 | karlpinc_ | stealth-fone: Fixed. |
| 19:33.06 | stealth-fone | Glad I didn't jump into a dist-upgrade. |
| 19:33.35 | karlpinc_ | stealth-fone: It _might_ work. But generally not because apt itself changes over time. |
| 19:33.35 | Bushmills | sudoman: ssh to the machine |
| 19:33.56 | stealth-fone | For what I pay for the VPS I might just have to make Etch work for now. |
| 19:34.03 | stealth-fone | Yay for budget. |
| 19:34.27 | karlpinc_ | stealth-fone: It occurs to me that I don't know vps-s. You need root to upgrade. |
| 19:34.29 | sudoman | Bushmills: i don't think i have that enabled, unless it is by default? |
| 19:34.53 | Bushmills | it isn't |
| 19:34.58 | stealth-fone | karlpinc_: Yeah, I have root. They are virtual machines churned out with install images and this company could probably care less that Etch is outdated. |
| 19:34.59 | b0x_ | so..what am i supposed to do now? |
| 19:35.12 | b0x_ | i cannot login locally or otherwise |
| 19:35.46 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: Depends on what you did. Tell someone to reboot and will that fix it? |
| 19:35.56 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: how will reboot fix it |
| 19:35.59 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: What did you do? |
| 19:36.09 | b0x_ | rssh. |
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| 19:36.43 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: You installed that as your shell? |
| 19:36.52 | b0x_ | i guess |
| 19:37.13 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: Just installing it on the box shouldn't do that. |
| 19:37.20 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: something did something |
| 19:37.28 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: You have physical access, right? |
| 19:37.33 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: no |
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| 19:37.46 | b0x_ | something is wrong |
| 19:37.50 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: Well, what did you do? |
| 19:38.06 | b0x_ | k hold. |
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| 19:39.25 | karlpinc_ | !tell b0x_ about paste |
| 19:39.36 | b0x_ | i'm aware of it. |
| 19:39.37 | b0x_ | heh |
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| 19:41.12 | b0x_ | ok karlpinc_. this is what i did in order: aptitude install rssh. edited /etc/rssh.conf to comment out: chrootpath = "/usr/local/chroot". then useradd -m -d /home/kyle -s /usr/bin/rssh kyle. |
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| 19:41.39 | b0x_ | and then su kyle, passwd and changed it |
| 19:41.49 | b0x_ | then exited, and now i cant log back in.. |
| 19:41.54 | b0x_ | it's telling me my password is wrong |
| 19:41.57 | b0x_ | for every user i had |
| 19:42.06 | stealth-fone | karlpinc_: Thanks again for the help, I'm gonna go play russian roulette with the box now. :) |
| 19:42.51 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: You are the kyle user, right? Tried ssh-ing directly in as root? |
| 19:43.07 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: nevermind i figured out what i did |
| 19:43.11 | b0x_ | ..kill me. |
| 19:43.15 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: What? |
| 19:43.37 | b0x_ | nothing. too embarassing to admit. |
| 19:43.47 | karlpinc_ | !pbkac |
| 19:44.26 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: Sometimes it helps just to have someone to talk to. :-) |
| 19:45.21 | b0x_ | yes pebkac. |
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| 19:46.07 | mitu | !pbkac |
| 19:46.16 | mitu | :) |
| 19:48.01 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: i just want the ssh user to be 'jailed' |
| 19:48.07 | b0x_ | i figured rssh was for that |
| 19:48.08 | b0x_ | but clearly not |
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| 19:49.35 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: Define jailed. |
| 19:49.41 | b0x_ | peed |
| 19:49.49 | b0x_ | access to nothing but their home directory |
| 19:50.10 | b0x_ | can't view any other directories or even change directories to anythign lower than their home |
| 19:50.28 | b0x_ | and no access to other commands and such |
| 19:50.28 | b0x_ | ya dig |
| 19:50.41 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: I'm not up on the best way to do that. What's "other commands"? |
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| 19:51.37 | b0x_ | other commands aren't important nevermidn that |
| 19:51.46 | b0x_ | there was a script somewhere |
| 19:51.59 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: I think rssh is the right way. Does it have a README.Debian document in /usr/share/doc/rssh....? |
| 19:52.00 | b0x_ | clearly i misunderstood that 'rssh' means 'restrict ssh' ? |
| 19:52.20 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: It says you can put the user in a chroot jail with it. |
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| 19:52.55 | b0x_ | eh |
| 19:53.08 | b0x_ | where |
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| 19:53.26 | cyryczy | hi |
| 19:53.34 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: In 'aptitude show rssh', but maybe that means in addtion to it's "no-shell-ness". |
| 19:53.37 | cyryczy | how do i reset all alternatives? |
| 19:56.46 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: You can surely do things system wide with acls and/or selinux. But I don't know that that's the best approach. |
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| 19:57.25 | karlpinc_ | cyryczy: Let me know when you find out. |
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| 19:57.45 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: well how effective would rsh be |
| 19:57.51 | b0x_ | /usr/bin/rsh |
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| 19:58.44 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: That's what it's for. (But I don't know about restricting to /home/foo/) |
| 19:58.54 | b0x_ | i awnt to |
| 19:58.57 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:58.57 | mitu | I think rsh only restricts commands,but does not chroots |
| 19:59.09 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: i already told you dude |
| 19:59.37 | jhutchins_lt | rsh is inherently insecure, it's not encrypted. |
| 19:59.40 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: No, you said what you're doing to accomplish your goal. You could, instead, for example, allow users to smbmount their home directories. |
| 19:59.54 | b0x_ | ? |
| 20:00.03 | b0x_ | explain |
| 20:00.05 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: He's thinking the restricted shell. |
| 20:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | ssh chroot |
| 20:00.26 | jhutchins_lt | !ssh chroot |
| 20:00.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/ and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 20:01.10 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: so..? |
| 20:01.15 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: If they did not have accessh to login to your box, but instead exported ~ to _their_ box, via either samba or nfs or whatever, then you don't have the problem. |
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| 20:02.01 | b0x_ | nah |
| 20:02.02 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: For that matter they could use just sftp and something like fireftp and frob their home directory contents with a browser. |
| 20:02.08 | b0x_ | there's a way to do it |
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| 20:02.26 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: So, why do you want to do this? Who are the users? |
| 20:02.58 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: Probaly selinux. It's work. |
| 20:04.29 | b0x_ | nah |
| 20:05.16 | jelly-home | sftp chroot, on the other hand, is simple and useful |
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| 20:05.36 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/ |
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| 20:08.21 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: I think you're better off with a vm. Chroots are fragile. |
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| 20:08.57 | maligor | you mean chroot isn't a security feature |
| 20:09.17 | karlpinc_ | maligor: Yes. |
| 20:10.22 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: user mode linux |
| 20:10.32 | pipeline | is user mode linux still an active project ? |
| 20:11.45 | karlpinc_ | pipeline: I thought so, as a sort of lightweight vm. |
| 20:12.01 | karlpinc_ | pipeline: Could be wrong. (Or it could just be in the kernel and done.) |
| 20:12.15 | pipeline | lots of stuff hangs around in the kernel for a long, long time after it's no longer maintained |
| 20:12.26 | pipeline | for perspective, the very last, the *newest* UML box I maintained at work was Redhat 7.3 |
| 20:12.32 | pipeline | so it's been a really long time since that was a mainstream technology :) |
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| 20:13.07 | karlpinc_ | pipeline: Good thing it's not my problem. ;-) |
| 20:13.11 | pipeline | also VMs, chroots, UML, they all just *move* your security problem |
| 20:13.20 | pipeline | they don't *fix* security holes, they just move the consequences around |
| 20:14.11 | karlpinc_ | pipeline: That does not mean they can't be useful. (Although I agree.) Firewalls have the same problem. Once you've net access, anything can tunnel. |
| 20:14.39 | pipeline | shell servers are desperately, terribly insecure by design |
| 20:15.08 | pipeline | b0x_ was barking up the right tree. He probably wants either rssh or scponly... very special purpose chroots, and very achievable. |
| 20:15.27 | b0x_ | not for ..security issues per se |
| 20:15.35 | karlpinc_ | pipeline: rssh is exactly what he does not want. That's what he started with. He seems to want to allow shell. |
| 20:15.51 | b0x_ | a friend of mine. a newbie. he's learning things, i just dont want him to try to press buttons and screw shit up |
| 20:16.07 | b0x_ | he's never even heard of 'linux' |
| 20:16.20 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: If he can do that you've not got the right default permissions on your box. |
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| 20:16.41 | b0x_ | karlpinc_: winner winner, chicken dinner |
| 20:16.48 | b0x_ | that's the whole point of a chroot jail |
| 20:16.56 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: If there's secret stuff that's world-readable, fix it. |
| 20:17.38 | b0x_ | stop trolling me. |
| 20:18.42 | pipeline | b0x_: you must trust users with shell access, end of story. |
| 20:18.53 | pipeline | b0x_: there are a million ways to abuse a partly-privileged account |
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| 20:19.05 | karlpinc_ | b0x_: I'm serious. Un*x was there from the ground up as a multi-user system. Regular users should not be able to break things. If you're that worried, give him a vm to play with and tell him not to break out of it. |
| 20:19.50 | pipeline | b0x_, karlpinc_ : haha yeah, if he has an unprivileged account, he won't break anything by *accident*. It's only malicious users you shuold worry about. |
| 20:20.00 | b0x_ | hmm |
| 20:20.01 | b0x_ | good point. |
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| 20:28.09 | Bushmills | consider a box with shells and remote users compromised. |
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| 20:29.44 | stew | that means all my boxes are compromised :( |
| 20:30.04 | Bushmills | no. not that they are. just treat them as if they were. |
| 20:30.16 | b0x_ | left jesus |
| 20:30.17 | stew | so reinstall them all? |
| 20:30.18 | b0x_ | 3ir. |
| 20:30.56 | Bushmills | to make sure they aren't, and to run security-sensitive stuff, yes |
| 20:31.29 | Bushmills | to continue providing shells to users, no. but don't put security sensitive stuff on those boxes then |
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| 20:33.13 | pipeline | stew: yes, frequently |
| 20:33.39 | pipeline | also, tripwire, which I usually consider paranoid, is eminently sensible on shell servers |
| 20:33.43 | pipeline | because local root exploits are common |
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| 20:35.10 | stew | i use samhain, sure |
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| 20:37.33 | frikinz | karlpinc_: 'chroot are fragile' How? |
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| 20:38.22 | frikinz | running bind in a chroot is fragile? |
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| 20:49.27 | karlpinc_ | frikinz: It's fine as another layer of security. Particulary in a daemon. |
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| 20:52.48 | frikinz | ok :) |
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| 20:57.16 | jmeeuwen | what could be going on when dpkg -L <package> says some file is shipped with a package, but the file does not appear to be on the filesystem when (re)installing said package? |
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| 20:58.24 | Tramp | !tell jmeeuwen -about confmiss |
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| 21:00.23 | jmeeuwen | aha, so an apt-get remove && apt-get install will trigger this "you may have no configuration files unless you do a dance" |
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| 21:01.50 | frikinz | what's again this priority low/high in the PTS? Accepted 4.3.0.0-1 in unstable (*low*) . Can't find where it's explained. |
| 21:02.00 | Tramp | I doubt it, because remove will not remove configuration |
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| 21:24.20 | km | why does it hangs when run 'ls' in my home directory? |
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| 21:27.58 | james__ | will debian squeeze come with zfs or not,?? |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:28.26 | abrotman | JamesM_SiteGen: http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/about-zfs-in-squeeze-2/ |
| 21:29.13 | JamesM_SiteGen | ive read it already, but in the current kfreebsd installer it is not there. will it be in the official release? |
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| 21:29.23 | surlyjake | abrotman, is that with the kfreebsd or fuse? |
| 21:29.31 | abrotman | FIIK, RTFA |
| 21:29.37 | elgringo2000 | are any users from USA in the channel ? |
| 21:29.47 | abrotman | elgringo2000: lots, ask your real question |
| 21:29.58 | xixor | I am looking forward to updating to squeeze when it is released |
| 21:30.00 | JamesM_SiteGen | kfreebsd |
| 21:30.12 | abrotman | JamesM_SiteGen: ask the kfreebsd channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:30.21 | abrotman | i think it's #debian-kfreebsd, but don't quote me on that |
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| 21:38.18 | james__ | humm. not debian-kfreebsd |
| 21:38.57 | jelly-home | !kfreebsd |
| 21:38.57 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. The kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 architectures will be released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:40.42 | daemonkeeper | james__: Ever heard of multi-server support for your IRC client? |
| 21:41.35 | daemonkeeper | Obviously not :o) |
| 21:41.46 | abrotman | or that there is a #debian on OFTC? with a bot that has the same info? |
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| 21:41.56 | daemonkeeper | Well, or that. |
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| 22:09.51 | raz | hi guys |
| 22:09.56 | raz | is there an etch backport for the fixed exim? |
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| 22:14.16 | karlpinc_ | raz: You could look at backports.debian.org. |
| 22:14.52 | raz | karlpinc_: yea looked there but it seems they dropped etch a while ago, too |
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| 22:20.19 | ericP | what would be editing my /etc/hosts file when i plug or unplug a usb network device? |
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| 22:21.00 | xxazianxx | hi |
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| 22:27.28 | renegade001 | I keep getting this error when trying to 'apt-get' a package, E: Couldn't find _package_ |
| 22:27.30 | renegade001 | I'm a complete beginner to servers so I'd appreciate if ye could bear with me |
| 22:27.44 | ericP | renegade001, what package are you lookign for? |
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| 22:28.28 | renegade001 | I tried Apache and sudo |
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| 22:29.29 | ericP | renegade001, you probably already have sudo (wouldn't swear to it), so you probably want this: "sudo apt-get install apache2" |
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| 22:30.30 | karlpinc_ | !why aptitude |
| 22:30.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 22:30.38 | renegade001 | ericP: Althought, when I type 'sudo' I get bash: command not found |
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| 22:31.10 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: Sudo takes as an argument the command you want to run. (You may be looking for su) |
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| 22:31.34 | renegade001 | karlpinc_: Ah, I see |
| 22:31.40 | ericP | renegade001, it sounds like you don't in fact have sudo |
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| 22:31.54 | ericP | (when i type sudo and no command, i get a different error than that) |
| 22:32.18 | ericP | if you can log in as root, then yes, you'd want to type "apt-get install sudo" |
| 22:32.39 | renegade001 | I tried, thatbut it says; |
| 22:32.55 | renegade001 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:32.55 | renegade001 | Building dependency tree |
| 22:32.55 | renegade001 | Reading state information... Done |
| 22:32.55 | renegade001 | em: Couldn't find package sudo |
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| 22:33.02 | ericP | but karlpinc_ is right, you probably want to "apt-get install aptitude" and learn to use it soon |
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| 22:33.10 | renegade001 | Sorry for the paste |
| 22:33.30 | ericP | renegade001, hmm, looks like the sources.list if fouled up. how did you install? |
| 22:33.35 | vlt | Hello. What do I need to install to make "mc" able to connect to SMB servers? |
| 22:33.46 | Bushmills | renegade001: apache package name is apache2 |
| 22:34.18 | renegade001 | ericP: What do you mean? |
| 22:34.19 | tharkun | Gentlemen what lightweight email client besides claws-mail is it available on debian lenny? |
| 22:34.51 | renegade001 | I'm SSH'ing into an EC2 instance, so setup via the amazon console? |
| 22:34.57 | Bushmills | experiment with either the aptitude search command, or with apt-cache search |
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| 22:35.18 | ericP | renegade001, ahh, and it calls itself a debian box? |
| 22:35.44 | tharkun | Bushmills: I would search for what email-client and small memory footprint ? |
| 22:35.45 | renegade001 | Well, yes, Debian-lenny-something |
| 22:36.12 | Bushmills | tharkun: meant for renegade001 |
| 22:36.22 | Bushmills | tharkun: check out mutt |
| 22:36.26 | ericP | renegade001, you'll probably want to look in /etc/apt/sources.list , but it will take some communication with someone with a similar lenny box to see what should be in that file |
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| 22:36.42 | tharkun | Bushmills: sorry ;P Actually i need a gui client. I personally use mutt |
| 22:36.52 | karlpinc_ | tharkun: aptitude search ~Gmail::agent (with debtags installed) and use -F for customized output showing size. ? |
| 22:37.07 | renegade001 | ericP: Would Debian be best for webservers? |
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| 22:37.36 | ericP | renegade001, sources.list tells apt where to look for packages. without that, it doesn't know about the existence of e.g. sudo or apache2 |
| 22:37.36 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: Generally Debian stable is good for servers. YMMV. |
| 22:37.43 | vlt | I already installed smbfs and smbclient but mc doesn't list "SMB connection" in the menu. Any idea what's missing? |
| 22:38.17 | renegade001 | So, ericP, um, how do I look in sources.list? xD |
| 22:38.30 | renegade001 | karlpinc_: Would that be slightly biased? |
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| 22:38.42 | renegade001 | Well since I am in a Debian chan |
| 22:38.46 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: Sure. :) You'll not get unbiased answers here. |
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| 22:39.02 | ericP | renegade001, hmm, not sure to hit you with emacs right off... |
| 22:39.03 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: Although many have come from other distros. |
| 22:39.25 | ericP | renegade001, what happens when you type "pico /etc/apt/sources.list" ? |
| 22:39.40 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: You could use pastebinit to paste sources.list so we can see it. (aptitude install pastebinit) |
| 22:39.52 | ericP | to karlpinc_'s point, i'm running an ubuntu box right now |
| 22:40.06 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: (oops, you can't install) |
| 22:40.19 | ericP | well, we presume, given that he can't install sudo |
| 22:40.38 | renegade001 | lol, just another question, how do I sort of 'exit' things within terminal, for instance when I typed aptitude, a sort of program popped up thatI have no idea on how to get out |
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| 22:41.04 | ericP | hey, you've got aptitude? cool! |
| 22:41.15 | renegade001 | Well its seems so xD |
| 22:41.38 | ericP | type "/sudo" |
| 22:41.54 | ericP | (that's to look for sudo) |
| 22:41.55 | Bushmills | renegade001: you need to know how to exit that particular program. often q, or alt-x, or ctrl-c |
| 22:42.00 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: (ugh. I hate aptitude's interactive interface.) You type "quit" or "exit" usually. Last resort you hold the ctrl key down and press the c key. |
| 22:42.31 | ericP | for aptitude, you can type 'q' until you get the "are you sure?" prompt |
| 22:42.32 | renegade001 | Bushmills, karlpinc_ thanks :D |
| 22:43.05 | renegade001 | Yeah, I'm just after noticing that in it's interface's header |
| 22:43.10 | Bushmills | sometimes ctrl x ctrl c, or :q! |
| 22:43.51 | renegade001 | So, whats the advantage of Aptitude? |
| 22:43.57 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 22:43.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 22:43.57 | ericP | anyone here have a Debian-lenny-something box who can say what the deb line in sources.list should look like? |
| 22:44.32 | renegade001 | Rumor has it xD |
| 22:44.39 | karlpinc_ | !sources.list |
| 22:44.39 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:44.40 | ericP | renegade001, once you get your head around the somewhat arcane interface, it's a very powerful way to search for, install and manage packages |
| 22:45.02 | renegade001 | ericP: Ah, I see :D |
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| 22:45.18 | ericP | renegade001, did you get out of aptitude? |
| 22:45.24 | renegade001 | So, I just typed aptitude install apache2 |
| 22:45.25 | dvs | gives dselect to ericP |
| 22:45.30 | renegade001 | ericP: Yes :D |
| 22:45.34 | ericP | try "pico /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 22:45.37 | karlpinc_ | renegade001: Being new to debian you may want to see the available software. |
| 22:45.42 | karlpinc_ | !tell renegade001 about overview |
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| 22:47.25 | tharkun | karlpinc_: thx i haven't found anything yet but it is nice to know how to do it :D |
| 22:48.16 | renegade001 | ericP: Inside the list http://pastie.org/1432429 |
| 22:48.58 | ericP | renegade001, anyways, you might see some line which starts with "deb http://...". you probably want to replace that with "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" , then quit pico (^x) and type "apt-get update" then "apt-get install sudo" |
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| 22:49.24 | renegade001 | ericP: I'll give it a shot :D |
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| 22:51.11 | ericP | now, anyone know how i can teach NetworkManager to add an entry when it munges /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:51.39 | renegade001 | *sigh* |
| 22:51.48 | renegade001 | Running apt-get update I get this |
| 22:51.49 | renegade001 | wimt: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 22:51.49 | renegade001 | wimt: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 22:52.49 | renegade001 | ericP: Any ideas? |
| 22:52.52 | ericP | if you've already tweaked the deb line, you may be ok to proceed with apt-get install sudo |
| 22:53.24 | thewanderer1 | hey, Debian has setuid binaries while it needn't have. why is this so? I'm on squeeze and ping works with POSIX file capabilities... is there a reason Debian is using SUID binaries instead of capabilities? |
| 22:53.25 | ericP | c.f. " *Some* index files failed to download" |
| 22:53.27 | renegade001 | ericP: Wooh! Worked :D |
| 22:53.39 | ericP | apt-get install apache2 |
| 22:54.33 | ericP | if you have no users on this machine, (it seems you're logged in as root), then you won't actually need sudo, but it did serve as a good litmus for whether you could install stuff |
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| 22:54.51 | renegade001 | ericP: Getting an error of Broken Packages |
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| 22:55.38 | ericP | EC2's really giving you a fine machine i see |
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| 22:55.49 | ericP | gotta run -- good luck |
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| 22:56.11 | renegade001 | ericP: Yeah, and it's free :D |
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| 22:57.17 | phox | ahoy. still pretty new to Debian... how does one search in experimental or otherwise |
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| 23:11.35 | dwlocks | howdy! anyone know how to get a list of defined shell functions in dash? google and the manpage didn't reveal anything to me |
| 23:12.04 | Jippi_mac | Hi. apt is stuck installing foreman - how do I make apt forget it shouldn't install foreman ? |
| 23:12.28 | Jippi_mac | I'm running apt-get -f install and saying "no" to installing it just keep it in the loop |
| 23:12.49 | Jippi_mac | How do I unselect the foreman package to be installed |
| 23:13.51 | dwlocks | -f means fix broken. so foreman must be broken, eh? |
| 23:14.02 | f00li5h | git-core is marked as obsolete, how do I know what replaces it? |
| 23:14.39 | Jippi_mac | dwlocks: yeah.. it turns out I had to remove a dependency from dpkg to make the loop stop :) |
| 23:14.52 | dwlocks | I usually search apt-cache dumpavail when things go obsolete. |
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| 23:15.21 | dwlocks | is not an expert witness. |
| 23:15.38 | dwlocks | either of you know yow to list shell functions in dash? |
| 23:16.04 | dwlocks | in bash or sh you can use declare -f or typeset -f |
| 23:16.56 | dwlocks | dash has "type" but it doesn't have the -f flag to list functions only. |
| 23:17.53 | dwlocks | rephrase about "bash or sh" -> bash has and posix defines... |
| 23:18.54 | dwlocks | jippi_mac: you fixed it? |
| 23:19.02 | Jippi_mac | dwlocks: yep, thanks :) |
| 23:19.23 | dwlocks | w00t! glad I helped. |
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| 23:21.03 | ziroux | dwlocks++ :) |
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| 23:26.52 | frikinz | f00li5h: replaced by 'git' which if you have the latest git-core should have been automatically installed |
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| 23:35.48 | Spreadsheet | Is the graphical installer included on the netinst disk? |
| 23:35.55 | Spreadsheet | The full netinst disk that is |
| 23:36.29 | jordanm | Spreadsheet: yes |
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| 23:38.35 | Spreadsheet | The wiki for Xfce tells me that if I want to install Xfce on a new system, I should add desktop=xfce at the boot prompt |
| 23:38.53 | Spreadsheet | However on the installer page, it says that you should do that unless you have a special Xfce cd |
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| 23:39.06 | Spreadsheet | Is there a special Xfce cd? |
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| 23:39.19 | jordanm | Spreadsheet: you can do that with the netinst |
| 23:39.51 | jordanm | Spreadsheet: i think its acutally selectable from "advanced options" without needing to manually add the parameter |
| 23:40.00 | jordanm | perhaps that was added in squeeze d-i |
| 23:40.26 | Spreadsheet | From the graphical installer? |
| 23:40.47 | jordanm | no, from the boot menu. it might take you right to the text installer |
| 23:42.11 | Bushmills | dwlocks: had you asked for bash, i could tell you |
| 23:42.28 | dwlocks | yeah, so could I. |
| 23:42.44 | dwlocks | bash has typeset +f |
| 23:42.56 | dwlocks | or declare -f, I forget. |
| 23:43.11 | Bushmills | -F |
| 23:43.27 | dwlocks | but if you run /bin/sh on debian or ubuntu you get /bin/dash |
| 23:43.38 | dwlocks | right. -F |
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| 23:44.21 | Bushmills | you get what you run. if you run /bin/bash, you get bash |
| 23:44.34 | jordanm | current stable debian has /bin/bash for /bin/sh by default |
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| 23:45.16 | dwlocks | hmm. ok... uh, let me check.. looks like I may be making a debian vs ubuntu assumption. |
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| 23:46.04 | dwlocks | jordanm: yeah. my debian unit test pass. it's only the ubuntu ones, which use dash for sh that fail. |
| 23:46.13 | dwlocks | my bad. |
| 23:46.42 | Bushmills | don't assume bash when exec'ing sh |
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| 23:46.51 | dwlocks | however, I still need to figure out the dash thing. |
| 23:47.02 | dwlocks | I don't assume bash. |
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| 23:47.42 | dwlocks | I'm using shUnit. it's been very posix sh compliant so far. |
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| 23:48.32 | frikinz | never as bash called as sh will not parse configure files |
| 23:48.43 | frikinz | erm startup files |
| 23:49.15 | dwlocks | can you rephrase that? I'm not sure I got it. |
| 23:49.33 | frikinz | If bash is invoked with the name sh, it tries to mimic the startup behavior of historical versions of sh as closely as possible |
| 23:49.38 | frikinz | lol yes I thought so |
| 23:49.47 | frikinz | from man bash |
| 23:50.07 | dondelelcaro | "INVOCATION" is the important bit to read; it explains everything that bash does when it starts up |
| 23:50.17 | dwlocks | right. that's ok. |
| 23:50.53 | phox | how does one search in experimental or otherwise (with apt-cache presumably) ? |
| 23:50.59 | dwlocks | the problem here is that Dash does not provide typeset or declare, which is used by shUnit to find the unit tests. |
| 23:52.22 | dwlocks | and 100% clear, debian does not cause my unit tests to fail because sh -> bash; and bash does provide a typeset builtin. |
| 23:52.23 | jordanm | phox: aptitude search ~n<name>~Aexperimental |
| 23:52.37 | jordanm | phox: if yyou have the archives enabled |
| 23:52.41 | dwlocks | *and to be 100%... |
| 23:52.51 | karlpinc_ | phox: or packages.debian.org |
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| 23:54.05 | dwlocks | so... any idea who I could ask about dash? disregarding any assumptions shUnit is making. I'll submit a patch if I can find a solution to this. |
| 23:54.17 | HideMe | I did a fresh install a few weeks back. When I use aptitude to update packages, it says packages are being held in their current state even though there are upgrades. Why is that and how do I fix it? |
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| 23:54.37 | FoxM | hi all. I have noticed that when I try to play a DVD using the commmand 'mplayer dvd:// ' the message "libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd" appears. I then create a symbolic link to the real device and mplayer works, but when I restart the machine, the /dev/dvd link is gone. How can I make it permanent? |
| 23:54.43 | jordanm | HideMe: full-upgrade |
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| 23:55.32 | karlpinc_ | FoxM: It's considered bad taste to post both here and on OTFC. |
| 23:56.04 | HideMe | jordanm what is the cause though? |
| 23:56.24 | karlpinc_ | HideMe: You're not running stable, so upgrading will make changes. |
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| 23:57.41 | karlpinc_ | HideMe: Perhaps it has detected that some things will break or not work as expected when you upgrade. |
| 23:57.42 | FoxM | karlpinc_: sorry... I was having issues with my connection so I opened this channel to test it |
| 23:57.49 | HideMe | karlpinc_ I'm using 5.0.7 |
| 23:58.00 | FoxM | karlpinc_: thanks for the advice, though. |
| 23:58.01 | karlpinc_ | HideMe: That is odd. |
| 23:58.06 | jordanm | HideMe: probably not after you full-upgrade |
| 23:58.18 | jordanm | HideMe: sounds like you have mixed |
| 23:58.26 | karlpinc_ | HideMe: Have you been messing with your sources.list file or installing non-debian packages? |
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| 23:58.43 | HideMe | jordanm so if I do an apt-get full-upgrade it will fix it? |
| 23:59.00 | karlpinc_ | !tell HideMe about overview |
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| 23:59.21 | cogsu | how do i boot a ppc kernel into single user mode? |
