| 00:00.10 | tharkun | !room |
| 00:00.10 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 00:00.31 | stew | i would guess that nautilus-share or something was missing |
| 00:00.47 | linux_direction | i have a p2 200mhz 128 ram 160gbytz hdd. and a p4 cel 1.7 ghz 512 ram 80gbytz hdd. and a lappy. i am wanting to ditch windows. and would like to migrate and learn about linux. |
| 00:01.24 | stew | linux_direction: if your goal is the learn linux, using one which is actually still supported would definitely be recomended |
| 00:01.39 | linux_direction | so i felt now's the time to move across. so i wanted to set up the p2 as a file server/storage machine. and the p4 into a linux machine. |
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| 00:02.06 | norbert | hi |
| 00:02.18 | linux_direction | i started playing around with a few flavours of linux to see which would work on the oldP2. |
| 00:02.26 | norbert | I'm trying to figure out what sound device to use to record with recordmydesktop |
| 00:02.44 | linux_direction | i also wanted to try and keep the one flavour, so i don't have to learn too many things. |
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| 00:03.39 | linux_direction | yeah i do understand that. but i first would just like to set up a what i believe to be 2 straight forward type machines. |
| 00:04.12 | scummy | did anything work on the p2? |
| 00:04.26 | ginet | xubuntu will do |
| 00:04.26 | linux_direction | a server/storage machine. and a linux machine. that i can use VMware. to play with the other linux' and to learn the linux. |
| 00:04.50 | linux_direction | puup worked scummy. as did DSL. |
| 00:05.09 | linux_direction | ubuntu 10. won't work on the p2. cmov error. |
| 00:05.23 | stew | debian still works on a 486 |
| 00:05.27 | scummy | puppy and dsl are both debian-based, right? |
| 00:05.34 | linux_direction | i tried ubu5. installed Okay, like deb5. but gae same problem as deb5. |
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| 00:05.55 | linux_direction | oh i don't know that answer scummy. i am so new o all this linux stuff. |
| 00:06.01 | stew | linux_direction: if by deb5 you mean debian, what problem do you get? |
| 00:06.13 | norbert | I'm trying to get recordmydesktop to record audio |
| 00:06.15 | linux_direction | the samba not installed problem. |
| 00:06.21 | norbert | here's what I've tried: http://recordmydesktop.pastebin.com/zeKqJdd6 |
| 00:06.23 | stew | linux_direction: what is the exact error message? |
| 00:06.48 | stew | norbert: "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and try again |
| 00:07.09 | linux_direction | ahhh man. sorry i didn't write it down. |
| 00:07.25 | norbert | stew: thanks |
| 00:07.30 | linux_direction | and i have played with other flavours since. |
| 00:07.34 | abrotman | scummy: unneeded in this case .. lenny still runs on a P1 with enough RAM |
| 00:07.57 | norbert | stew: do you know what would be a good way to get that command to run while the pc boots? |
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| 00:08.32 | karsten-nr | norbert: add the module to /etc/modules |
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| 00:09.01 | linux_direction | let me ask this question. if i was able to successfully install deb5 onto the p2. and all components were fine. |
| 00:09.30 | norbert | stew: thanks again |
| 00:10.09 | linux_direction | will the p2 be able to read/write on a windows machine on my lan. and will win and linux machines be able to read/write to a share on the p2? |
| 00:10.26 | norbert | oh, I mean... karsten-nr: thanks |
| 00:10.27 | karsten-nr | linux_direction: via CIFS (samba), yes. |
| 00:10.38 | norbert | :P |
| 00:10.39 | karsten-nr | norbert: NP ;-) |
| 00:10.47 | norbert | anyways, it works, thanks again, bye |
| 00:10.52 | linux_direction | Okay Cool. but isnt samba a one way thing. |
| 00:11.21 | linux_direction | isn't it samba that lets linux machine access windows machines? |
| 00:11.45 | ginet | you can use a client and a server |
| 00:11.48 | karsten-nr | linux_direction: There's samba, the server, and samba-client, the client. |
| 00:11.55 | linux_direction | but samba doesn't mean win machine |
| 00:12.08 | scummy | i have samba running on a lenny server in my basement, and i read/write to it from my linux desktop, and can access it from my family's mac and windows machines |
| 00:12.15 | linux_direction | oh right karsten-nr. |
| 00:12.18 | karsten-nr | linux_direction: Use samba to set up shares on the Linux box. Use samba-client to mount shares from Windows servers/workstations. |
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| 00:12.44 | linux_direction | Wow scummy. thats exactly what i am trying to do. |
| 00:13.16 | scummy | yeah, and it also prints from the windows and macs via the file server |
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| 00:13.33 | karsten-nr | linux_direction: I used samba as a domain controller some years back. XP clients. Domain logins, etc. Worked fine. |
| 00:14.06 | karsten-nr | linux_direction: So workstations would log on to the Linux-based domain controller. Also accessed file shares and print services. |
| 00:14.07 | ajikeshi | when is microsoft implementing NIS and NFS support? |
| 00:14.07 | linux_direction | thats all i wish to accomplish scummy. and this isn't a hard task right? it should be juz straight forward right? |
| 00:14.22 | Arrowmaster | ajikeshi: they already have |
| 00:14.27 | marc_ | I have no cd's on hand and would like to know how to install stable debian via USB thumb drive, any how to's anyone can point me too? |
| 00:14.29 | scummy | pretty much |
| 00:14.37 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: There are Windows implementations for NFS/NIS. They *might* be in SFU, but most I'm aware of are third-party projects. |
| 00:14.43 | ajikeshi | really O_o |
| 00:14.45 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: Sort of OT for here. |
| 00:15.09 | ajikeshi | but thanks for that information.. . unbelievable O_o |
| 00:15.22 | linux_direction | far out karsten-nr. yep. so like i said. im working with some dinosaur machines. but thats why im looking back a little in the versions of OS to put on it. |
| 00:15.28 | Arrowmaster | SFU 3.5 had NFS/NIS, for vista and higher you need to have a certain version to get it, like ultimate |
| 00:15.32 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: Stay tuned .... |
| 00:15.51 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: http://www.csparks.com/CygwinNFS/index.xhtml Cygwin NFS Server HOWTO |
| 00:15.55 | ginet | then there is also fusion |
| 00:16.05 | ajikeshi | karsten, eeeewwww cygwin |
| 00:16.14 | ajikeshi | dont like it |
| 00:16.30 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: http://microsoft-windows-services-for-unix.software.informer.com/wiki/ |
| 00:16.36 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: As I said, OT, but it's there. |
| 00:18.31 | ajikeshi | bookmarked karlpinc_ thanks for the link :) |
| 00:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | Been around since NT4 |
| 00:19.48 | jhutchins_lt | Microsoft doesn't usually innovate with things like that, it waits and if people are using some third party app for it a lot they'll absorb it. |
| 00:20.01 | ajikeshi | mhh |
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| 00:20.52 | linux_direction | well im at a bit of a cross road, as to which flavour(s) i will go with. |
| 00:21.06 | linux_direction | but you people are helping my decision process. |
| 00:21.41 | linux_direction | i might go install deb5 again and come back here during and after the install. |
| 00:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | linux_direction: There is a legacy linux project explicitly designed to run on old hardware. It's MUCH safer than running old versions of big distros. |
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| 00:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | Projects like puppy and DSL while they might lack the polish and options of Debian are better than running sarge or etch. |
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| 00:22.48 | stew | and worse than running lenny |
| 00:22.56 | jhutchins_lt | There is also emdebian, designed for embedded systems. |
| 00:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think you'll enjoy virtualization on hardware that old. |
| 00:23.55 | linux_direction | hey thanks jhutchins_lt. i do not know what embedded is. |
| 00:24.31 | jhutchins_lt | Appliances. Routers, set-top boxes, shivaplug servers. Usually has the OS stored in flash or firmware. |
| 00:24.58 | jhutchins_lt | Often alternate processors, usually very limited resources. |
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| 00:29.16 | linux_direction | oh Okay. thanks for the heads up on that jhutchins_lt. |
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| 00:29.57 | jhutchins_lt | The legacy linux project has a new name, sorry but I'm a bit befuddled tonight and don't recall it. It's aimed specifically at your situation. |
| 00:30.33 | linux_direction | thanks jhutchins_lt. i will try find out abit more about it. later. |
| 00:30.55 | linux_direction | i think i did see that somewhere on one of my searches. |
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| 00:31.14 | darkkrai | how do I get the latest wine? the packages in the squeeze repos are very old |
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| 00:34.19 | Pumba | darkkrai: install it from source, then |
| 00:34.48 | darkkrai | okay |
| 00:34.55 | darkkrai | I guess that's not too bad |
| 00:35.26 | stew | jhutchins_lt: why would you recommend "The legacy linux project" to linux_direction instead of debian lenny? you think they fixed the problem he's having with samba? |
| 00:36.13 | Arrowmaster | his problem sounded like it just wasnt installed |
| 00:36.17 | stew | darkkrai: i believe upstream provides a repository you can install pre-compiled packages from instead of compiling from source? |
| 00:36.23 | jhutchins_lt | stew: 1) It's targeted at older hardware like he has, 2) He mentioned trying to run an older version of Debian. |
| 00:36.32 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I did not review his samba problem. |
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| 00:36.56 | linux_direction | hey guys. all your suggestions have been really helpful |
| 00:37.10 | stew | jhutchins_lt: debian is targetted at older hardware like he has. debian was running fine. he was installing an older version of debian because he didn't know what to do about a samba related error message he was getting |
| 00:37.29 | linux_direction | really really helpful. and i can see where everyone is coming from. and i do appreciate it thanks peoples. |
| 00:38.09 | merlin1991 | I'm trying to get a 32 bit application running on a 64 bit lenny server, the application starts fine, but uses it's own .so libraries that are in the same folder and fails to load them, if I soflink them in /usr/lib32 the application works, is there any cleaner approach to have the libraries loaded? |
| 00:38.11 | Arrowmaster | stew: upstream wine has a MIA debian wine package maintainer just like debian does |
| 00:38.47 | stew | ok |
| 00:39.02 | linux_direction | but yeah. coz i am so new. i would like to be able to stick to one flavour.(but if thats not possible coz of the equipmnt i have. well i will need to learn a few other flavours. |
| 00:39.22 | Arrowmaster | i think a lot of debian wine users are just using the ubuntu ppa and praying for the best |
| 00:39.26 | stew | i don't see how one follows from the other, but have fun... |
| 00:39.46 | stew | oh, i missed an "if" |
| 00:40.13 | jhutchins_lt | linux_direction: debian's probably the best of the mainstream distributions at supporting older hardware, but the all feed from the same upstream sources at some point. |
| 00:40.33 | darkkrai | whats the 32 bit dev libraries? |
| 00:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | linux_direction: C'mon back if you restore lenny - I've been running samba since the 90's. |
| 00:40.55 | linux_direction | Okay jhutchins_lt. i understand. thanks. |
| 00:41.24 | linux_direction | Wow. man. i will. thanks jhutchins. and thats all i want the p2 to do. |
| 00:41.33 | linux_direction | and it won't be exposed to the net. |
| 00:43.17 | darkkrai | what package do I need to install to obtain the 32 bit dev libraries? |
| 00:44.08 | stew | darkkrai: which 32 bit dev libraries? |
| 00:44.15 | stew | darkkrai: apt-cache search -n lib32 dev |
| 00:45.53 | merlin1991 | hm I'll rewrite my question a little bit, where does the dynamic loader look for libraries on a 64 bit system when running a 32 bit exectueable? I know he checks /usr/lib32 but does he also check somewhere in the executeables folder? |
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| 00:48.04 | Makuew | Hello, whats recommended space for swap? I heard theres a rule that you should put 2x Ram. But when running 24gb ram it seems wierd to put 48gb for swap? |
| 00:48.41 | pipeline | Makuew: ideally swap should be at least 1x the size of memory |
| 00:48.47 | pipeline | Makuew: 2x is a very old rule of thumb |
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| 00:48.57 | pipeline | Makuew: you can get away with a lot less than 1x the size of memory if disk space is tight |
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| 00:49.14 | pipeline | Makuew: if disk space is not tight, I would go ahead and do e.g. 1x memory + 2G or 1.5x memory, whichever is smaller |
| 00:49.33 | pipeline | Makuew: under normal circumstances you only want swap for your crash dump :) |
| 00:49.52 | Makuew | pipeline: I see. Running 24 x 2000gb. |
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| 00:50.04 | pipeline | Makuew: yeah... 26G of swap might not be a bad choice |
| 00:50.08 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 00:50.14 | darkkrai | how do install the 32-bit development packages of Xlib/Xfree86? |
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| 00:50.42 | Makuew | pipeline: Ok, il try that. Thanks |
| 00:50.43 | pipeline | darkkrai: debian doesn't have finished multi-arch support. On amd64, there's often no 32 bit dev package available. If you want to do 32 bit development, use a 32 bit chroot. |
| 00:51.15 | darkkrai | I'm trying to compile wine 1.3.10 from source |
| 00:51.24 | darkkrai | do you know of any precompiled packages? |
| 00:51.43 | pipeline | darkkrai: you would need a 32 bit chroot to use any of the precompiled packages |
| 00:51.57 | pipeline | darkkrai: this is why I often recommend that people install the i386 version of debian and use a PAE (i.e. bigmem) kernel |
| 00:52.08 | pipeline | darkkrai: 64 bit offers no advantages to the average desktop user, but many downsides |
| 00:52.18 | darkkrai | huh, interesting |
| 00:52.43 | Arrowmaster | darkkrai: use the ubuntu ppa linked on the wine site and hope for the best, it seems to work fine even though mixing ubuntu packages with debian is highly not suggested under most conditions |
| 00:52.52 | pipeline | Arrowmaster: he's on 64 bit, no dice |
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| 00:53.07 | Arrowmaster | pipeline: im on 64bit too and it works |
| 00:53.09 | pipeline | Arrowmaster: also shadowhawk (the ubuntu maintainer for wine) makes terrible packages |
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| 00:53.49 | Arrowmaster | pipeline: i dont think the ppa is maintained by him |
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| 00:59.27 | darkkrai | pipeline, I can still utilize my processing power to the fullest, correct? including all 6gb of my RAM? |
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| 01:02.57 | pipeline | darkkrai: oh yeah |
| 01:03.05 | darkkrai | huh |
| 01:03.11 | pipeline | darkkrai: 32 bit means that an individual process, a single application running a single process, can't use more than 3G. |
| 01:03.21 | pipeline | darkkrai: if you run two processes, you can use 6G no problem :) |
| 01:03.26 | darkkrai | why am I using amd64? it just makes things more complicated |
| 01:03.29 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.30 | darkkrai | lol |
| 01:03.33 | pipeline | I have 198 processes running right now |
| 01:03.35 | darkkrai | thanks for the enlightenment >.> |
| 01:03.37 | darkkrai | lol |
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| 01:03.39 | darkkrai | nice |
| 01:03.42 | darkkrai | i386? |
| 01:03.44 | pipeline | yeah. |
| 01:03.57 | pipeline | the downside to i386 is that PAE is a performance hit, and so is i386 itself |
| 01:04.09 | pipeline | they're small performance hits, and there's the performance boost that comes by using 32 bit code (smaller) |
| 01:04.15 | pipeline | but they're still hits |
| 01:04.18 | darkkrai | hm |
| 01:04.46 | pipeline | in general i386 is the best choice, unless you have some overriding reason to use amd64 (e.g. you want to run a midsized DB server) |
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| 01:05.28 | darkkrai | i came from windows, so I always had the notion that you can't use more than 3.5gb of ram on 32 bit ANYTHING |
| 01:05.34 | darkkrai | we learn something new every day :D |
| 01:05.52 | pipeline | darkkrai: nope that's a licensing issue |
| 01:06.00 | Arrowmaster | no thats a windows only restriction, and desktop versions of windows only too, the server versions dont have the restriction |
| 01:06.01 | pipeline | darkkrai: 32 bit versions of windows can use more than 4G of RAM, just not the cheap versions |
| 01:06.09 | darkkrai | oh. |
| 01:06.12 | darkkrai | lol |
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| 01:08.49 | cairon | Q: is there any "clean"/debian way to set iptables parameters? i just call some shell script on init whichs calls iptables with parameters ... |
| 01:09.33 | cheater99 | if i cat /dev/urandom, why is the return code 130 and not 0? |
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| 01:11.33 | stew | cheater99: what is terminating the cat process? |
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| 01:12.19 | cheater99 | ^C |
| 01:12.32 | stew | i'd expect it to terminate with 1 then |
| 01:12.54 | cheater99 | and if i do ^\ then i get 131 |
| 01:13.00 | stew | certainly not 0 if it gets sigterm |
| 01:13.05 | peterrooney | I'd expect it to be non-zero for sure, as interruption is not (normally) the expected way a program ends |
| 01:14.05 | peterrooney | is now gonna be up all night wondering what program would be expected to only end with ^C |
| 01:14.50 | cheater99 | yes, but why 130 and 131 instead of just 1? |
| 01:15.35 | stew | looking at cat.c it should only be able to exit with 1 or 0 |
| 01:15.55 | stew | exit (ok ? EXIT_SUCCESS : EXIT_FAILURE); |
| 01:16.10 | peterrooney | perhaps a shell issue, e.g. not a modern bash? |
| 01:18.39 | stew | cheater99: are you sure you are getting this from cat and not from something else in a pipeline? |
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| 01:27.56 | cheater99 | stew: yes |
| 01:28.09 | cheater99 | it's in bash. i do cat /dev/urandom, then i ^C, then i do echo $? |
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| 01:32.10 | stew | oh |
| 01:32.36 | stew | right, its 130-128 = 2 meaning it was killed by sigint |
| 01:33.03 | stew | oh weird. i have $? in my prompt, and it says 1, but when I echo $? on the next command its 130 |
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| 01:33.32 | stew | (this is in zsh for me) |
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| 01:33.53 | Makuew | What does "Create a symbolic link to the current kernel image?" Actually mean when you instlal the kernel? Is it needed with grub? |
| 01:34.21 | nsadmin | no not really |
| 01:34.33 | nsadmin | see... |
| 01:35.05 | nsadmin | it installed the actual files of the images in /boot and then symlinked them from / |
| 01:35.29 | Makuew | ahh |
| 01:35.33 | nsadmin | and lilo would pick up /vmlinuz which was a link to /boot/vmlinuz-1.2.3 |
| 01:35.40 | Makuew | yeah |
| 01:35.43 | Makuew | i get it now, thanks |
| 01:35.48 | nsadmin | another link was /vmlinuz.old |
| 01:36.00 | nsadmin | but the reason you don't need those now... |
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| 01:36.25 | Makuew | okay |
| 01:36.35 | nsadmin | is grub makes boot stanzas that point directly at each kernel, and label the menu so you see what it is when you boot |
| 01:37.54 | Makuew | okay, when running raid1 should i use grub-install /dev/sda or /dev/md0 ? |
| 01:38.07 | nsadmin | with lilo you had to "install" lilo (aka write the boot sector) every time anything changed, and with grub, you do that install -once-... because grub knows how to find files by -name- |
| 01:38.19 | nsadmin | never ran raid, sorry |
| 01:38.25 | Makuew | ok |
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| 01:40.24 | yaaar | howdy |
| 01:40.41 | homie | lo |
| 01:41.00 | nsadmin | and grub just hangs tough. when you want to change something you would edit the config file and it would just work with whatever you did (assuming you did it right) |
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| 01:41.25 | yaaar | i've got a server that hangs during fsck on boot. i recognize this is likely a sign of a bigger problem, and i intend to investigate that...but i really need this thing to get up to at least limping along. is there some way to make it skip the fsck? |
| 01:41.29 | nsadmin | there's a script that reads all the kernels and writes out a config file for you called grub-update |
| 01:41.45 | karsten-nr | yaaar: is it hanging, or is it fscking? |
| 01:41.50 | yaaar | nsadmin: isn't that update-grub? |
| 01:42.10 | nsadmin | I could never remember which |
| 01:42.31 | yaaar | karsten-nr: well....fsck gets to 38% in about 10 minutes. i left it there for 30 more and it got no farther. so i'm calling that hung |
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| 01:43.19 | stew | yaaar: is there hard disk activity? |
| 01:43.40 | yaaar | stew: i don't see a light for it on this sun server |
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| 01:45.36 | Makuew | *waiting excited to see if the server boots up after debian install with raid1 true rescue mode* |
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| 01:45.39 | Makuew | :/ |
| 01:46.29 | nsadmin | stew/anyone: I have a partition with a partition table inside it... is it possible lately to access the partitions there? |
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| 01:47.47 | stew | nsadmin: sure, why not? |
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| 01:48.09 | Frenk | Hey, I have a strange issue with hostnames on debian. When I send an e-mail there is a line: Received from damdamdam.org (ip6-localhost [127.0.0.1]) but my hosts file does not have damdamdam.org ... |
| 01:48.10 | karsten-nr | yaaar: For large disks, fsck can take *hours* |
| 01:48.19 | nsadmin | stew: how would I go about it? |
| 01:48.29 | karsten-nr | yaaar: ext2/3 are particularly bad that way, ext4 is supposed to be much faster. |
| 01:48.48 | nsadmin | what are other advantages of ext4? |
| 01:49.23 | yaaar | karsten-nr: well, a)that still doesn't explain it getting to 38% in such a short time and then completely stopping, and b)i don't have hours. that's why i asked if there was a way to skip it |
| 01:49.25 | karsten-nr | nsadmin: Google will tell you. Larger filesystems (>2TB), some better journaling stuff. Fsck is a lot of it. |
| 01:49.43 | stew | nsadmin: what is the name of the parition which is partitioned? |
| 01:49.59 | nsadmin | let me see... |
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| 01:50.11 | yaaar | karsten-nr: also, as far as it being normal to take hours, that has not at all been my experience. this isn't the first time i've used fsck, and not the first time on this box |
| 01:50.12 | karsten-nr | yaaar: You can set the "skip fsck". However, if the filesystem is fscking because of errors, I'd start making time in my schedule for some storage mainteance. |
| 01:50.30 | yaaar | karsten-nr: it's not doing it because of errors....it just hit 180 days |
| 01:50.35 | karsten-nr | yaaar: How big's the drive? Hours == TB+ sizes. |
| 01:50.38 | karsten-nr | yaaar: OK. |
| 01:51.00 | karsten-nr | yaaar: I like my data enough that I prefer to let fscks happen periodically. Your choice. Got backups? |
| 01:51.10 | yaaar | yes, i've got good backups |
| 01:51.34 | karsten-nr | OK. |
| 01:51.48 | nsadmin | oh wait, it's a little different |
| 01:52.09 | yaaar | i'd love to have fsck run periodically. i just can't have this thing down all night while it does. and for that matter, i should have gone home and had a beer an hour ago...so for now i'll settle for making the darn thing run |
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| 01:52.23 | karsten-nr | Boot single-user. Set the fsck interval to 0 (skips fskc). 'tune2fs -i 0 <device>' |
| 01:52.24 | nsadmin | stew. so /dev/sdb7 has a pv that's in a vg, |
| 01:52.29 | karsten-nr | RTFM and understand the consequences. |
| 01:52.55 | yaaar | karsten-nr: excellent. thank you. i'll be sure to read that man page first... |
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| 01:53.07 | karsten-nr | yaaar: ext4 is also not supported at install by Debian unless you're running lenny with a new kernel. I had to perform some gymnastics to get it on my most recent laptio. |
| 01:53.10 | karsten-nr | laptop. |
| 01:53.12 | nsadmin | and there is one lv that covers the entire drive |
| 01:53.12 | stew | nsadmin: is the vg active? |
| 01:53.24 | stew | nsadmin: what do you mean by "drive"? |
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| 01:53.40 | yaaar | karsten-nr: if memory serves this is a pretty stock lenny install. so i'm thinking ext3 |
| 01:54.14 | nsadmin | oh, entire /dev/sdb7 partition |
| 01:54.23 | nsadmin | yes it is |
| 01:54.39 | stew | nsadmin: and you are having trouble mounting the lv? |
| 01:54.50 | karsten-nr | yaaar: Yeah. There's a different installer image I used. I manually created my filesystems during the install. Had to install w/ a newer kernel and possibly some of the FS utils stuff, don't recall off teh top of my head. It's been fine since (at least in that regard). Oh, and 128 GB SSD :) |
| 01:55.17 | stew | nsadmin: or wait, when do we get to the "partition containing partitions" part? |
| 01:55.41 | nsadmin | stew, not exactly. the lv is this pile of blocks that pretend to be a full drive, the partition table I referred to earlier is actually on the lv |
| 01:56.10 | stew | oh, there is a tool for this... |
| 01:56.31 | yaaar | karsten-nr: niiice. how do you like that ssd? i been thinking they are finally getting down to a price where i might play with them some... |
| 01:56.46 | nsadmin | so /dev/sdb7 is a partition formatted as a pv in a vg, with one lv covering the whole thing... inside that lv is a partition table and partitions |
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| 01:57.25 | karsten-nr | yaaar: time find / 1>/dev/null 2>&1 real0m6.545s |
| 01:57.29 | nsadmin | iirc, the partitions are a / partition (primary) and a pv |
| 01:57.30 | karsten-nr | yaaar: :) |
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| 01:57.40 | karsten-nr | yaaar: There's no need really for 'locate' any more. |
| 01:57.43 | stew | nsadmin: look at the kpartx package |
| 01:57.55 | nsadmin | k is kde? |
| 01:58.11 | stew | no, k is kpartx |
| 01:58.15 | karsten-nr | yaaar: Full filesystem directory scan in 5-6 seconds. |
| 01:58.54 | ajikeshi | O_o |
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| 01:59.13 | karsten-nr | Now mind: actually reading all files would take a while longer. |
| 01:59.26 | yaaar | karsten-nr: holy hell that's fast. |
| 01:59.32 | ajikeshi | karsten-nr, what do you use instead of locate? |
| 01:59.57 | ajikeshi | aaah find on a ssd? |
| 01:59.59 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: Well, locate :) Actually dlocate/mlocate are installed. |
| 02:00.13 | yaaar | oh btw that server came up just fine once i disabled the check. now i'm going to go ahead and run it manually....so i can have it in my screen session and check on it from home. thanks again |
| 02:00.44 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: thing about 'find' is that you're scanning directory entries, not the "entire" filesystem. But SSD avoids the seek overhead of jumping from directory listing to directory listing. |
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| 02:01.21 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: The actual sustained throughput is roughly equivalent to a good SATA/PATA rotational disk for sustained reads/writes. |
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| 02:01.51 | ajikeshi | karsten-nr, yes.. but the random access is much better |
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| 02:03.33 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: yes. I'm running 'cat' of all files right now. It's taking a bit longer than that find (it's been running a few minutes now): time find / -type f 2>/dev/null | xargs cat >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 02:03.55 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 02:04.07 | karsten-nr | 4 minutes so far. |
| 02:04.08 | ajikeshi | i will get myself a ssd sometime in the future as well :d |
| 02:04.25 | karsten-nr | Well, work bought this one :) |
| 02:04.46 | karsten-nr | They are very strangely addictive, however. |
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| 02:05.27 | ajikeshi | hehe |
| 02:05.43 | ajikeshi | btw.. you seem to know recent hardware... are ther consumer multi cpu mainboards around? |
| 02:05.47 | ajikeshi | i mean affordable ones |
| 02:06.05 | ajikeshi | i userd to have a dual P3 before i bought my amd64 |
| 02:06.12 | ajikeshi | and theres time for change soon |
| 02:07.08 | karsten-nr | ajikeshi: I'm sure there are. This is a thinkpad, 1 socket, 2 cores, hyperthreading (4 CPUs according to /proc/cpuinfo). |
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| 02:07.19 | karsten-nr | Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz |
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| 02:07.42 | karsten-nr | That part's pretty spiffy. WiFi doesn't work, graphics is dodgy, both of which are pretty annoying. |
| 02:07.49 | ajikeshi | no.. theyre 4 cores |
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| 02:08.00 | ajikeshi | i mean seperate cpu with own cache and socket |
| 02:08.15 | ajikeshi | like.. putting 2 or 4 cpus on one motherboard |
| 02:08.40 | karsten-nr | That's more typical of servers than consumer stuff, but yeah, both ways. |
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| 02:09.18 | un214 | who brought slashdot down? |
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| 02:12.49 | pipeline | ajikeshi: Intel and AMD both sell multi-socket boards, but the AMD stuff is *much* less expensive. No price segmentation. |
| 02:15.17 | ajikeshi | pipeline, as usual... thats y i didnt get me a p4 |
| 02:15.43 | pipeline | ajikeshi: well, at the time that the p4 was current, AMD had extensive price segmentation in multi-socket chips/boards |
| 02:16.11 | ajikeshi | mhh i used an tyan tiger back then |
| 02:16.36 | pipeline | ajikeshi: yeah, and back then, they charged a fortune extra for "Athlon MP" as opposed to "Athlon XP." |
| 02:16.52 | ajikeshi | yeah... and amd64/opteron the same problem |
| 02:16.56 | pipeline | ajikeshi: and after that, 4-socket opterons cost twice as much as 2 socket cost twice as much as 1-socket |
| 02:17.10 | ajikeshi | still the regular cpus tended to work as well in multicpu boards if youve choosen wisely |
| 02:17.16 | pipeline | ajikeshi: right now, today, with magny-cours, 1-2-4-8 socket opterons are all the same price |
| 02:17.28 | pipeline | ajikeshi: now that amd is no longer the market leader they are happy to abandon some price segmentation measures :) |
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| 02:18.26 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 02:19.00 | ajikeshi | pipeline, am3 is the current amd socket? |
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| 02:20.23 | ajikeshi | http://www.hardwareschotte.de/hardware/preise/proid_9081966/preis_TYAN+Thunder+n3600QE+S4980G2NR |
| 02:20.25 | ajikeshi | ^^ yeah |
| 02:20.28 | ajikeshi | i love that board :D |
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| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:21.31 | ajikeshi | still above 300eur for a decent board |
| 02:21.31 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:21.38 | ajikeshi | oh.. sry |
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| 02:26.37 | un214 | probably wiser not to care too much if something is rather offtopic if nothing ontopic is going on |
| 02:28.14 | stew | there is ##hardware for discussing hardware |
| 02:28.56 | stew | un214: if people want to help, they shouldn't have to wade through off-topic stuff to see if anyone needs help |
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| 02:29.54 | un214 | doesn't bother me. weird. |
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| 02:31.06 | karlpinc_ | un214: It's a lot easier to just glance at the window and pop off a quick answer than to have to scrollback and read for what's on-topic. |
| 02:31.35 | un214 | oh that's right, never bothered me if I missed one I knew the answer to |
| 02:31.42 | karsten-nr | un214: channel discipline has worked for #debian for at least a decade, and there are 833 nicks here which presumably aren't you. |
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| 02:51.35 | un214 | is there a good way to remove the kde4 upgrade account wizard? |
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| 02:57.11 | un214 | anybody know how to build firefox from source? |
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| 03:01.11 | dondelelcaro | un214: why are you trying to do that? just use iceweasel. |
| 03:01.37 | un214 | because some people don't want to believe my bug reports |
| 03:02.03 | un214 | and some websites detect firefox in a way that iceweasel doesn't pass |
| 03:03.15 | abrotman | un214: ask the FF people how to compile FF .. otherwise, use iceweasel |
| 03:04.06 | dondelelcaro | un214: and if any website is detecting FF in a way that iceweasel doesn't pass, let us know. We've pretty carefully crafted the user agent string to avoid that as much as possible |
| 03:04.35 | un214 | it's AT&T's fix your dsl password site |
| 03:04.51 | un214 | you can't get there from outside and they probably do something really stupid |
| 03:04.57 | dondelelcaro | un214: so change the UserAgent string |
| 03:05.42 | roe | is 'backup' a special user? |
| 03:06.19 | dondelelcaro | roe: see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | doesn't see what the browser UA string has to do with getting your DSL fixed |
| 03:11.11 | un214 | because if certain things are wrong you get dumped to this website that detects a few browsers specifically and if none of these you get fed an activex |
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| 03:12.49 | dondelelcaro | so tweak your UA to match, or debug the JS, or modify the JS. |
| 03:13.06 | un214 | can't debug the JS as its server side detect |
| 03:13.32 | un214 | can't look up the solution with internet down |
| 03:15.05 | un214 | so this means having FF ready beforehand |
| 03:15.28 | un214 | a downloaded copy doesn't work so -- build from source |
| 03:17.15 | dondelelcaro | still doesn't make any sense, but whatever works |
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| 03:29.55 | Arrowmaster | !ubuntu |
| 03:29.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 03:31.49 | stew | Frenk: yes, if you have the private key protected by a password, restarting the service requires someone giving it the password |
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| 03:38.48 | linux_direction | is away -[ Be Back Later ]- at 02:47:p -[ P:On / L:On ]- |
| 03:39.03 | stew | linux_direction: please turn that off in here |
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| 03:39.56 | leejongwook | How do I use wireless network ? |
| 03:40.12 | un214 | iwconfig eth1 up |
| 03:40.17 | abrotman | didn't you already tellhim to turn that off ? |
| 03:40.27 | un214 | iwconfig essid <xxxx> ap <yyyy> key <zzzzz> |
| 03:40.32 | un214 | dhclient eth1 |
| 03:40.37 | leejongwook | Thanks you :) |
| 03:41.01 | un214 | [he'll be back] |
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| 03:43.36 | JasonWoof | how can I get them to set the volume of the active output device? |
| 03:44.12 | JasonWoof | failing that, what's a commandline that will raise/lower the PA volume? (I've got xbindkeys running, so I can just add a few lines there.) |
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| 04:02.15 | nsadmin | !debootstrap |
| 04:02.15 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 04:03.52 | oOarthurOo | Can anyone maybe confirm a bug for me on Squeeze before I go report it on the bugtracker |
| 04:04.16 | oOarthurOo | on squeeze, open up Evolution, create a new appointment and then try to make it repeat every two weeks. |
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| 04:07.08 | nsadmin | oOarthurOo: (you'll have to do this for the report anyway) what is it supposed to do and what does it do instead? |
| 04:07.36 | oOarthurOo | It's supposed to let me click something in the drop box, but clicking anything causes the application to crash |
| 04:07.48 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:08.03 | oOarthurOo | Its an RC bug, which is why I wanted confirmation before bugging them. Pardon the pun. |
| 04:08.08 | Chelsea | Hi all, I would like to "alias" 'vim' to 'vim --remote', but a bash/zsh alias doesn't cover all vim calls, like mc, or mutt. How would I do that most elegant? |
| 04:08.12 | nsadmin | does the crash message reveal anything interesting? |
| 04:08.57 | oOarthurOo | nsadmin: excuse my ignorance... what crash message? |
| 04:09.30 | nsadmin | oOarthurOo: oh, right. what if you run the app from a shell command line? |
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| 04:09.59 | stew | oOarthurOo: doesn't sound like RC at all |
| 04:10.02 | nsadmin | and then try to make it crash in the same way, and if/when it does, look at the shell window |
| 04:10.10 | cdyn | Is there a small 'mailer' that one would reccomend to only send local mail? |
| 04:10.38 | cdyn | I would like cron to be able to email me (mailto=), but I don't want to install something like sendmail or exim |
| 04:12.18 | Arrowmaster | Chelsea: create ~/bin and put it on the beginning of your path and create a script called vim to do it |
| 04:12.29 | oOarthurOo | stew: Application crashing ungracefully not RC? Ok. That's... good news I guess. Causes data loss, at least of the appointment you were trying to setup. Anyway... to nsadmin |
| 04:12.34 | Arrowmaster | or put it in /usr/local/bin but that would effect all users |
| 04:13.03 | cdyn | ah ssmtp? |
| 04:13.43 | dondelelcaro | oOarthurOo: crashes are important, not RC |
| 04:13.49 | nsadmin | oOarthurOo, well the more important things to fix now are bugs whose behavior affects other packages |
| 04:14.01 | stew | oOarthurOo: if its only affecting one particular option, its minor. it would be RC if it rendered the evolution package unusable |
| 04:14.01 | oOarthurOo | nsadmin: standard debug instructions here (http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml) provide nothing, no output whatsoever when run from terminal. Installing gdb now to try and get a backtrace on it |
| 04:14.07 | Chelsea | Arrowmaster, Thanks, going to try that. |
| 04:14.12 | dondelelcaro | oOarthurOo: unless they are also security bugs or make the package unusable |
| 04:14.29 | oOarthurOo | I believe you all. Thanks. |
| 04:14.49 | stew | oOarthurOo: does it create data loss in the sense that if you have an existing saved appointments, and this would crash the program in such a way that they were no longer saved? or do you just lose the setting you were trying to make? |
| 04:15.48 | oOarthurOo | stew just the setting |
| 04:16.19 | oOarthurOo | anyway, just saw something interesting in the backtrace. Gonna change the theme engine to a supported on in the Lenny repos |
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| 04:19.57 | oOarthurOo | Yup, was the unsupported theme engine that showed up in backtrace just before the segfault. Thanks for the calm heads guys. It didn't seem plausible to me that something like this could go unnoticed for this long. |
| 04:20.27 | oOarthurOo | Switching to clearlooks engine fixed the crashing behaviour. |
| 04:21.07 | oOarthurOo | and I mean squeeze not Lenny for all of the above |
| 04:21.17 | stew | oOarthurOo: still sounds like bug to me |
| 04:21.31 | oOarthurOo | stew with the theme engine I would think. |
| 04:23.24 | oOarthurOo | Anyway... gonna logout and login to get these new engines applied and choose a new theme. Sad. Equinox was a very nice looking theme. |
| 04:23.37 | oOarthurOo | thanks and goodnight |
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| 04:28.12 | un214 | all right |
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| 04:28.34 | un214 | that right-click focus bug I reported in iceweasel definitely does not occur in stock firefox |
| 04:28.44 | un214 | now can I get some attention on it? |
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| 04:30.07 | dvs | !reportbug |
| 04:30.07 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 04:30.19 | un214 | did that, got ignored |
| 04:30.43 | un214 | was treated as though it could not be a bug in iceweasel |
| 04:31.42 | stew | un214: if you now have more information about the bug you can email it to bug#@bugs.debian.org |
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| 04:35.47 | un214 | delivery to bug603885@bugs.debian.org failed perminantly |
| 04:36.03 | stew | un214: just 603885@bugs.debian.org |
| 04:36.17 | cads | what's it take to build gnome from source and produce a .deb that'll install it as an alternative session manager? |
| 04:36.39 | cads | no reason to believe all of that couldn't be done, is there? |
| 04:36.57 | cads | I have a feeling like it would be a bit technical though |
| 04:37.09 | cads | any ideas where I'd start figuring it out? |
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| 04:37.43 | cads | the goal is to have a system for hacking on gnome automatically outputting the relevent deb for testing on debian systems |
| 04:38.07 | cads | s/gnome/gnome and |
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| 04:46.18 | dondelelcaro | cads: depends what part of gnome you're talking about. You'd probably be better of using a chroot and xnest unless you had to debug something specific about the stack |
| 04:46.40 | dondelelcaro | cads: but given the right source package, it's pretty trivial to build and install the resultant deb packages. |
| 04:47.36 | cads | d'oh, I wasn't even thinking about the source packages |
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| 05:05.20 | nsadmin | so I just mount a buncha stuff on /target, then debootstrap squeeze /target? |
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| 05:09.14 | bixgomez | say, how do you recursively rmdir in debian/bash? |
| 05:09.29 | nsadmin | man rm |
| 05:09.44 | katsrc | does Debian have an official community forum? |
| 05:09.58 | nsadmin | http://lists.debian.org |
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| 05:10.37 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: yerp, that's generally the method |
| 05:10.50 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro, ok, after I finish debootstrappin, how do I get grub to work? |
| 05:11.00 | nsadmin | it's doing it |
| 05:11.29 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: chroot, and use grub-install as appropriate |
| 05:11.53 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: you'll probably need to edit some configuration files too, but c'est la vie. |
| 05:11.53 | nsadmin | so the chroot would have grub installed |
| 05:12.02 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: if you install it, yes. |
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| 05:14.06 | nsadmin | I see... so, first I'd chroot in (it's just now done), then install grub2, then install the grub somewhere |
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| 05:15.15 | nsadmin | is there a script that does the final setup? |
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| 05:19.57 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: no |
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| 05:20.26 | dondelelcaro | (at least, there hasn't been one for a long time; maybe things have changed.) |
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| 05:26.54 | nsadmin | how do I get a uuid from a fs (like the one on /dev/sdb13) |
| 05:27.24 | dvs | nsadmin: /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 05:27.46 | nsadmin | oh, its dev isn't mounted yet |
| 05:28.03 | nsadmin | well I'll reboot into it and get it |
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| 05:30.56 | nsadmin | can I see someone's squeeze fstab? I'm looking for mounts other than the disks |
| 05:31.17 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: tune2fs -l /path/to/dev is how you can find the UUID |
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| 05:50.29 | nsadmin | I need to see how to mount /proc, /dev, /dev/pts |
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| 05:51.19 | nsadmin | actually I did /proc already by copying the current lenny fstab entry to the new squeeze entry |
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| 06:10.30 | nsadmin | what do I do about /dev in squeeze if I'm chrooting to set things up for real boot? |
| 06:10.55 | nsadmin | the fstab is almost done |
| 06:11.23 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: /dev is managed using udev; you can bind mount it temporarily |
| 06:12.05 | nsadmin | so I'd be mounting a copy of the existing /dev on (say) /target/dev? |
| 06:13.18 | nsadmin | did that. |
| 06:13.31 | nsadmin | I seem to have a /dev and a /proc |
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| 06:21.32 | Megaf | hi folks, How to install debian? |
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| 06:26.37 | Megaf | oops |
| 06:26.52 | Megaf | I mean, how to install mono? |
| 06:26.54 | Megaf | :) |
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| 06:29.27 | nsadmin | , versions mono |
| 06:29.30 | judd | Package mono on i386 -- etch: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-security: 1.2.2.1-1etch1 |
| 06:29.55 | nsadmin | mono (by that name anyway) doesn't exist past etch |
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| 06:31.57 | Megaf | aptitude install mono-2.0-devel mono-2.0-service |
| 06:32.03 | Megaf | I think this could work |
| 06:32.17 | Arrowmaster | libmono0, libmono1.0-cil, libmono2.0-cil, those are what are listed in the package i have that prevents mono from being installed |
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| 06:33.24 | Arrowmaster | oh mono-complete has EVERYTHING |
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| 06:39.13 | Error404NotFound | Hi, i am trying to setup jailed sftp using sshd on lenny, and stuck with bad permissions: http://pastebin.com/Td1c1wvX |
| 06:39.18 | xixor | Howdy folks. I was trying to move /var/log to a different drive, and made a mistake, the result and ended up copying the moved files back over /var/log without perserving permissions. The problem is that now some things are complaining, as all the files are owner/group root. Things such as logcheck are failing, etc. Just wondering if anyone can suggest a good course of action? |
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| 06:44.04 | dondelelcaro | xixor: you can force logrotate to rotate everything, and then continue on. |
| 06:44.24 | xixor | dondelelcaro: ok, good idea, I will look into how to do that |
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| 06:47.37 | Error404NotFound | any opinions on my issue :) |
| 06:49.23 | Error404NotFound | ok, got it :P |
| 06:49.27 | Error404NotFound | chmod 755 / solves everything |
| 06:51.02 | nsadmin | mine seems to be 755 too |
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| 06:55.45 | sharp | is this a support channel? |
| 06:55.59 | deepy | The one on oftc might be better |
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| 06:59.02 | sharp | hmm. well i'll ask and see what i get. i'm having trouble with nvidia's crappy driver. xorg.log says that nvidia is talking to acpid, however powermizer doesn't seem to respond when i plug in/unplug ac adapter |
| 06:59.14 | sharp | anybody familiar with this? |
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| 07:07.12 | Lantizia | I'm hearing a rumour that 6 is imminent, anything anyone else has heard? |
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| 07:09.19 | Corey | !guess the release date |
| 07:09.19 | dpkg | Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
| 07:09.31 | nsadmin | I thought 42 was imminent... 6 is a far cry from 42! |
| 07:11.03 | Lantizia | wow only 98 left |
| 07:11.39 | peterrooney | !squeeze pool 1 |
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| 07:14.06 | inSanity_ | morning |
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| 07:18.08 | talntid | Hi Guys. I have a 2TB hard drive installed, and am trying to do a fresh install. It doesn't see the hard drive, and is asking me for a driver. BIOS sees the HDD.... is this something that is a known issue? |
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| 08:50.26 | jtza8 | Is there a way to replace a package with a custom compiled package? |
| 08:50.49 | debianhobo | Hi |
| 08:50.49 | debianhobo | I have some issues. |
| 08:50.52 | dondelelcaro | jtza8: custom compile the package and install it |
| 08:50.53 | jtza8 | ERRRR NETSPLIT! |
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| 08:51.08 | debianhobo | jtza8: When I installed debian it wouldn't let me mount my home because my home is ext4. What do I do to mount and use my home? |
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| 08:51.35 | debianhobo | It's not a googleable issue I believe jtza8. |
| 08:51.48 | jtza8 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
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| 08:52.10 | jtza8 | debianhobo: You need a new kernel AFAIK. |
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| 08:53.04 | debianhobo | That doesn't sound right jtza8. |
| 08:53.13 | jtza8 | debianhobo: You need a kernel that supports ext4 |
| 08:53.34 | jtza8 | Perhaps you can load a module if your current kernel supports ext4. |
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| 08:54.23 | debianhobo | Lenny does have a very old kernel. |
| 08:54.49 | jtza8 | Lenny? Then no, you need a newer kernel. |
| 08:54.56 | debianhobo | I believe Noah used it as he organized the ark. |
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| 08:55.12 | jtza8 | debianhobo: hehe |
| 08:55.41 | jtza8 | Why Lenny then? |
| 08:55.51 | jtza8 | A server? |
| 08:56.00 | debianhobo | I did the internet install. |
| 08:56.18 | debianhobo | I want sid and I want to find a way of getting gnome-shell. |
| 08:56.57 | jtza8 | Well you could change your apt sources to the unstable version, and upgrade that way. |
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| 08:57.28 | debianhobo | volatile won't upload with sid in the sources.list line. |
| 08:57.37 | debianhobo | Hi dekar |
| 08:58.18 | jtza8 | nope, volatile isn't an option. |
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| 08:58.47 | karlpinc_ | !backports |
| 08:58.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 08:59.32 | karlpinc_ | Of course that won't work with sid either. (Sid is not a release....) |
| 08:59.53 | c0nfl|ct | bom dia |
| 09:00.01 | xiangfu | jtza8: hi what is " NETSPLIT!" how it happen? |
| 09:00.25 | debianhobo | 828 upgraded, 490 newly installed, 35 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 09:00.25 | debianhobo | Need to get 1088MB of archives. |
| 09:00.25 | debianhobo | After this operation, 1001MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 09:00.25 | debianhobo | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
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| 09:00.36 | karlpinc_ | xiangfu: It's an irc thing that means you're not talking to everybody. It goes away. Don't worry about it. |
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| 09:01.07 | debianhobo | I've typed more than that paste and it still didn't kick me. |
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| 09:01.22 | debianhobo | I'll work on this tomorrow. |
| 09:01.23 | xiangfu | karlpinc_: ok |
| 09:01.24 | krion | hi |
| 09:01.35 | debianhobo | I appreciate your help. |
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| 09:02.30 | jtza8 | xiangfu: Well, that's when freenode goes a little haywire. Not too sure about the particulars, but AFAIK it's when the freenode servers get out of sync, and people get split up because of it. |
| 09:02.53 | xiangfu | jtza8: thanks. |
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| 09:11.57 | ethanol | debianhobo, pasting is bad. |
| 09:12.23 | sander^work | Why do I get this when trying to ping out?: ping: sendmsg: No buffer space availabe |
| 09:12.39 | ethanol | why are you tying to ping out? |
| 09:12.56 | sander^work | ethanol, because my network isn't working.. |
| 09:13.10 | sander^work | ethanol, I want to fix it.. |
| 09:13.19 | ethanol | ping out has a different meaning on irc :< |
| 09:13.43 | ethanol | but I've never seen that error message |
| 09:13.51 | sander^work | ethanol, Hehe, okay. |
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| 09:14.17 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 09:14.36 | ethanol | sander^work, do you have the possibility to pastebin config from said computer? |
| 09:14.37 | sobersabre | I am on stable (lenny) |
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| 09:15.06 | sobersabre | I want to use monit package from testing (b/c it's newer and supports feature I must have) |
| 09:15.24 | sobersabre | I want to setup apt to only get monit from testing and ignore other stuff. |
| 09:15.35 | ethanol | it will do that by default I think |
| 09:15.39 | sobersabre | Is there an example on how I setup prioritie to achieve this ? |
| 09:15.55 | sobersabre | s/prioritie/&s/ |
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| 09:16.45 | Enf | is there a way to get deb packages to handle dependencies only to the base package version, eg: mypackage (= 0.1.1) |
| 09:17.06 | kgoetz | Enf: could you expand on that question? |
| 09:17.12 | sander^work | ethanol, thats not possible.. |
| 09:17.39 | sander^work | ethanol, But I can tell you that the mac adress to the gateway is "incompleate" |
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| 09:17.42 | ethanol | sander^work, why not? I have backports in my sources list. but aptitude does not use it if I do not explicitly tell it to do so |
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| 09:18.00 | ethanol | oh wait, confusing you and sobersabre |
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| 09:18.18 | sander^work | ethanol, because I don't have network on that machine. |
| 09:18.29 | ethanol | fix your network |
| 09:18.29 | Enf | kgoetz: When building my own deb package, in debian/control, I define Depends: my-other-package (= 0.1) |
| 09:18.30 | ethanol | :> |
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| 09:19.00 | Enf | kgoetz: and I do have my-other-package 0.1-1 installed, but it's simply not detecting it as being installed (complains of the dependencies issue) |
| 09:19.12 | ethanol | sander^work, wired or wireless? |
| 09:19.13 | _GeekShadow | Get a iphone4 free! http://www.hudie.in/?fromuid=136809 |
| 09:19.20 | sander^work | ethanol, wired |
| 09:19.27 | Enf | kgoetz: so my question is, is it possible for me to just have a base (upstream) version of it as a dependency? |
| 09:19.36 | ethanol | sander^work, mind moving this to a private message? |
| 09:19.49 | sander^work | ethanol, sure. |
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| 09:20.40 | kgoetz | Enf: how did you install your package? |
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| 09:21.54 | Enf | kgoetz: dpkg -i my-other-package.deb && dpkg -i my-new-package.deb |
| 09:22.40 | kgoetz | Enf: you need to run apt-get -f install (or aptitude equivilant). dpkg doesn't resolve dependencies |
| 09:23.49 | Enf | kgoetz: I'm setting the dependencies on the debian/control file so that it would be handled via apt-get on a later stage |
| 09:24.03 | Enf | kgoetz: and I was wondering if there's a way for me to depend just one version |
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| 09:24.39 | kgoetz | Enf: using (=foo) as you did |
| 09:25.10 | Enf | kgoetz: Yeah, but it doesn't seem to work when I have another revision of the package installed though.. |
| 09:26.02 | kgoetz | Enf: can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy package1 package2 |
| 09:26.08 | kgoetz | where the package1/2 are your packages |
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| 09:26.14 | kgoetz | er, *apt-cache show |
| 09:26.17 | kgoetz | show, not policy |
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| 09:36.11 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello my dear friends, i have a little question. How i can buckup partitions ( / , /home , /var ) from my system disk to shared folder on my NAS |
| 09:36.25 | ^DEMOSS^ | i use debian lenny 64 bit |
| 09:36.52 | ethanol | ^DEMOSS^, google backup? |
| 09:37.03 | ^DEMOSS^ | ??? |
| 09:37.36 | Devastator | i would use tar, then cp & paste it to my nas |
| 09:37.43 | ethanol | ewww. |
| 09:37.47 | ethanol | I would use rdiff-backup |
| 09:37.50 | Devastator | lol |
| 09:37.52 | daemonkeeper | You can. Or use rsync/rsnapshot. |
| 09:38.03 | daemonkeeper | Or bacula if you want it automated. |
| 09:38.13 | Devastator | ethanol i like manual stuff |
| 09:38.23 | ethanol | rdiff-backup is pretty manual |
| 09:38.23 | Devastator | << conservative |
| 09:38.32 | ethanol | though you can cronjob it quite easily |
| 09:38.41 | ethanol | since it's cli. |
| 09:38.45 | ^DEMOSS^ | i need do snapshot my system ( as that do acronis true image) then if anything do not working - restore buckup image |
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| 09:39.40 | JPT | do it :) |
| 09:40.25 | JPT | dd will help |
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| 09:40.48 | ^DEMOSS^ | but i dont want write many scripts and dont want install wery big pkg or large programm. easy and working... |
| 09:41.02 | JPT | dd is a very small tool |
| 09:41.02 | HackeMate | is there a way to sharre a printer via port 80? |
| 09:41.12 | daemonkeeper | Easy and working? cp -r / /home /var /your/nas |
| 09:41.13 | ethanol | rdiff-backup is small and easy, documentation is clear and easy to understand |
| 09:41.21 | ethanol | cp always works too :p |
| 09:41.31 | ethanol | I like incremental backups though |
| 09:41.40 | crashev | I'm getting (Fatal error: Call to undefined function imagefilter() in my php application). Afaik its because php5 was not compiled with bundled gd, is there version or module in debina repository that would have this function in PHP? |
| 09:41.44 | ^DEMOSS^ | have CP russian man ? |
| 09:42.01 | JPT | crashev: apt get install php5-gd? |
| 09:42.03 | ethanol | crashev, aptitude install php5-gd or imagick ? |
| 09:42.07 | daemonkeeper | You can't force people to their fortune, ethanol . |
| 09:42.16 | ^DEMOSS^ | crashev or try lenny-buckports |
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| 09:42.28 | crashev | got php5-gd installed |
| 09:42.30 | ethanol | buckports? |
| 09:42.38 | daemonkeeper | backports he means perhaps. |
| 09:42.41 | ^DEMOSS^ | or backport ) |
| 09:42.42 | crashev | imagick as well |
| 09:42.57 | ethanol | Note: This function is only available if PHP is compiled with the bundled version of the GD library. |
| 09:43.05 | ethanol | you're out of luck |
| 09:43.14 | JPT | crashev: check your phpinfo(). if gd is not listet, check /etc/php5/conf.d for the gd.ini thing... uncomment the line extension=... |
| 09:43.19 | ethanol | debian does not offer php with gd bundled |
| 09:43.25 | JPT | what? |
| 09:43.33 | JPT | aah |
| 09:43.34 | JPT | okay |
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| 09:44.00 | ethanol | you'll have to compile it yourself, or get it from one of the sources you can find using google |
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| 09:44.07 | crashev | JPT: there is gd included/loaded, however it does not have this function |
| 09:44.20 | ethanol | crashev, it is not the bundled version |
| 09:44.47 | crashev | ethanol: yes I know, so how to get version that has this function, in other words php5 with bundled gd library ? |
| 09:44.55 | ethanol | I just told you, google for it. |
| 09:45.00 | crashev | without need of manual recompilling |
| 09:45.06 | ethanol | some people will have done this already. otherwise, compile yourself. |
| 09:46.33 | ethanol | crashev, on a side note, compiling yourself is relatively easy and you could do this for future releases also: http://www.how2forge.org/recompiling-php5-with-bundled-support-for-gd-on-ubuntu |
| 09:46.47 | ethanol | that guide applies pretty much for debian too |
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| 09:48.44 | SPF | why not installing the module php5-gd? |
| 09:48.53 | ethanol | SPF, does not offer all functions |
| 09:49.20 | ethanol | SPF, this has been mentioned in several "bug" reports also already. but debian/ubuntu still does not offer php with bundled gd. |
| 09:49.29 | SPF | ah ok |
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| 09:49.44 | ^DEMOSS^ | mmm i read some info, but can chanche... bacula \ ping \ dd ( old but working, but hard to use) \ CP - can find some info or manual |
| 09:49.53 | ^DEMOSS^ | change |
| 09:50.22 | crashev | ethanol: Ok will work on something, thanks for help |
| 09:50.30 | ethanol | crashev, no problem |
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| 09:50.56 | ethanol | ^DEMOSS^, not sure what you just said.. |
| 09:51.13 | ^DEMOSS^ | ÑÑккн аÑк Ñн УТР- Ñ ÑÑ ÐºÐ³ÑÑÑÑÑ |
| 09:51.22 | ethanol | yeah not at all now. |
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| 09:51.28 | ^DEMOSS^ | sorry for my ENG, i am russian |
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| 09:53.06 | ^DEMOSS^ | i say that i read some information about this programms now, but can't change. Backula \ PING \ DD (old tool but working, but not easy to use ) / and CP - i can't find manual's |
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| 09:55.35 | ethanol | uh |
| 09:55.36 | ethanol | man cp |
| 09:55.40 | ethanol | there is your manual |
| 09:55.53 | ethanol | and ping? what? |
| 09:56.08 | ethanol | backula surely has documentation on their website |
| 09:56.21 | ethanol | man dd also for dd's manaul |
| 09:56.27 | ethanol | s/manaul/manual/ |
| 09:56.34 | ^DEMOSS^ | ) need some russian ) |
| 09:57.00 | ^DEMOSS^ | but if it is not so difficult, i think i can understand ENG doc |
| 09:57.13 | ethanol | well |
| 09:57.17 | ethanol | can you understand this? |
| 09:57.19 | ethanol | http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/examples.html |
| 09:57.22 | ethanol | :p |
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| 09:58.47 | ^DEMOSS^ | shiiitt...... it s not easy.... |
| 09:59.18 | ethanol | then I suggest you go back to school :( |
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| 10:04.43 | ^DEMOSS^ | ok... if i wanna backup "/" from dd - is it be right ( dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/mnt/(how i ccan change name or adress of nas ?)/BUCKUP/sda2-img ) |
| 10:05.34 | ^DEMOSS^ | nas folder - \\192.168.0.111\buckup\ |
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| 10:07.59 | ethanol | never used dd |
| 10:08.06 | ttiicc | this might not be debian specific but anyhow. I have configured openssh on my server and disabled the root user from being able to make ssh in to the server. And my problem is that I got this user ino which is able to become root user with the su command. wonder how I could disable him too from making ssh in to the server? |
| 10:09.57 | llutz | ttiicc: DenyUsers (man sshd_config) |
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| 10:14.43 | ttiicc | llutz: thanks for the information |
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| 10:19.16 | LoonaTick | Hi. Does anyone know if it's normal that an debian box continuously (every second) sends ARP for the broadcast address in a netwerk? ( Request who-has 10.3.255.255 tell 10.3.0.75, length 28 ) |
| 10:19.46 | bolt | it isn't |
| 10:20.10 | LoonaTick | anyone know what can cause it? the box runs iscsi with multipath on that network interface |
| 10:20.21 | LoonaTick | (iscsi client) |
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| 10:20.47 | LoonaTick | I'm investigating an issue that the machine gets packetloss timeouts on the complete interface after resetting the network interface |
| 10:21.21 | LoonaTick | it starts to send these arp requests after resetting the interface |
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| 10:23.08 | vtts | LoonaTick, you could add static entry into arp table and see if anything else is sent |
| 10:23.37 | LoonaTick | hmm good idea, thanks, I'll try! |
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| 10:24.11 | ttiicc | when I install debian I create two users, one root and then another one which we can cal Nick. Will this Nick user be some kind of administrator for the system? |
| 10:24.30 | CissWit | No. |
| 10:24.40 | ttiicc | or do we got a root user and then everybody else!? |
| 10:24.52 | CissWit | That's id |
| 10:24.56 | CissWit | it* |
| 10:25.01 | ttiicc | ahh okej |
| 10:25.43 | CissWit | you can still make Nick an administrator user, having less access that root. |
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| 10:25.50 | CissWit | sudo is a good way to do it. |
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| 10:27.08 | ttiicc | okej so the sudo module is the framework to use when you would like to give some administration right for a user |
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| 10:29.22 | CissWit | yes. |
| 10:29.50 | ttiicc | Thanks CissWit! |
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| 10:43.33 | Arrowmaster | ttiicc: when i install debian i use the expert install option (it just asks more questions) and one of the options is to set a root password or leave it blank, if you leave it blank the installer will automatically install and setup sudo for you giving admin power to the other user created during the install |
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| 10:45.05 | gyspymauro | hi |
| 10:45.38 | gyspymauro | suppose I've to deploy 10 or 20 client with debian installed, there is a way to deploy a configuration template? |
| 10:46.48 | bolt | ttiicc: careful with sudo. don't do stuff like give sudo access to "vim" :) |
| 10:46.54 | Arrowmaster | !preseed |
| 10:46.54 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 11:02.32 | tlchack5 | Hi, I have 2 questions actually. My first is: I'm trying to become intimately familiar with Debian/unix so I can begin giving back to the OpenSource/FreeSoftware/Hacker communities. I basically want to be able to do just about everything with a debian box from developing software to extending the operating system however I am a broke college student so I cant afford books (which are usually dated anyways). What would be a really goo |
| 11:02.32 | tlchack5 | d resource? |
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| 11:03.52 | ethanol | mailing lists? google? |
| 11:03.56 | bolt | tlchack5: on everything? |
| 11:03.57 | ethanol | irc? |
| 11:04.09 | bolt | tlchack5: this channel is good :) |
| 11:04.42 | bolt | tlchack5: ..but a good idea would be to narrow down what you want to do before trying to do it |
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| 11:05.27 | tlchack5 | ethanol & bolt: Lol thanks :-) Thats what I have been using, but I feel like I annoy people in here from time to time and I'm trying to become self sufficient. I want to learn how the operating system works from the time you press the power button to when you shut down. |
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| 11:06.09 | petemc | tlchack5: everything you could possibly want to know is a google search away |
| 11:06.47 | tlchack5 | haha okay thanks :-) |
| 11:06.54 | Bushmills | not much OS involved after power button ... |
| 11:06.57 | petemc | !reference |
| 11:06.57 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 11:09.27 | tlchack5 | petemc: AWESOME! This is actually EXACTLY what I was looking for but couldn't put into words lol. |
| 11:09.41 | petemc | good shit, np |
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| 11:10.44 | bolt | tlchack5: for the "after power button" part, here: http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/how-computers-boot-up |
| 11:10.52 | bolt | tlchack5: that doesn't have too much to do with the OS though |
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| 11:13.25 | babilen | tlchack5: You might also want to ask dpkg about <books> and <grounding> -- I recommend Martin's book |
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| 11:15.33 | cwickert | I am trying to reinstall postgresql, but I keep getting this error message: http://fpaste.org/uOVy/ |
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| 11:16.53 | babilen | So, does /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main exist? |
| 11:17.25 | cwickert | babilen: nope, but AFAICS the package owns it and is supposed to create it |
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| 11:19.49 | omid8bimo | cwickert: try initdb -D |
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| 11:21.31 | cwickert | omid8bimo: command not found |
| 11:21.32 | pythoned | Hi, I'm running debian squeeze amd64 and I keep getting this kernel failure which I don't know how to debug it. http://debian.pastebin.com/Mg9kJZEZ |
| 11:21.57 | omid8bimo | cwickert: try "su - postgres" then that command |
| 11:21.57 | pythoned | What seems to be the problem and why I keep getting this failures? |
| 11:22.10 | cwickert | omid8bimo: did that already |
| 11:22.23 | omid8bimo | cwickert: try /usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/initdb -D |
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| 11:23.14 | cwickert | omid8bimo: there is no /usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin |
| 11:23.42 | cwickert | omid8bimo: sorry, I was wrong, there is |
| 11:24.03 | omid8bimo | cwickert: ok |
| 11:24.30 | cwickert | omid8bimo: but it wants the location of the database cluster. what am I supposed to write? |
| 11:25.00 | omid8bimo | cwickert: go on |
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| 11:25.31 | cwickert | omid8bimo: /usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/initdb: option requires an argument -- 'D' |
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| 11:27.03 | cwickert | omid8bimo: '/usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/initdb -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main/' worked, but I wonder if this is correct |
| 11:27.14 | omid8bimo | cwickert: give it the dir path |
| 11:27.24 | omid8bimo | cwickert: oh u did. good that's correct |
| 11:29.16 | omid8bimo | pythoned: which kernel is this? also is it custom build or debian-repository build kernel? |
| 11:29.32 | cwickert | omid8bimo: now I am getting a new error: http://fpaste.org/vZPt/ |
| 11:32.25 | omid8bimo | cwickert: go to /var/lib/postgresql/x.x/main |
| 11:32.49 | omid8bimo | cwickert: there is should be a file called server.crt |
| 11:33.05 | cwickert | omid8bimo: it's not there |
| 11:33.19 | omid8bimo | cwickert: which looks like its not there. so create it by "ln -s /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem" |
| 11:33.58 | omid8bimo | cwickert: sorry! ln -s /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem server.crt |
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| 11:36.11 | cwickert | omid8bimo: thanks for your help, I managed to get it done by purging postgresql and then remove not only /var/lib/postgresql but also /etc/postgresql and /var/log/postgresql |
| 11:36.29 | cwickert | I wonder why they are still there after purging |
| 11:36.39 | omid8bimo | cwickert: that's one way to do it too :) |
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| 11:37.10 | cwickert | omid8bimo: I know it's not nice, but there was not data in the tables |
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| 11:37.38 | omid8bimo | cwickert: that's ok |
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| 11:38.19 | cwickert | omid8bimo: thanks again for all your help, I really appreciate you took the time |
| 11:38.45 | omid8bimo | cwickert: no problem dude |
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| 11:39.53 | cwickert | bye omid8bimo |
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| 11:40.39 | omid8bimo | brb |
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| 11:45.39 | Enf | guys, how do I define multiple Depends for the same package in debian/control |
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| 11:46.09 | Enf | eg: Depends: mypackage (<= 1.0), mypackage (> 2.0) |
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| 11:48.25 | tlchack5 | WOAH WTF! ZOMG THIS IS SO COOL |
| 11:48.48 | tlchack5 | wrong channel, i apologize. |
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| 11:51.58 | honeypot | I need a linux for transcoding and streaming a http MPEG2 flow... what do you suggest as a distribution please? especially for a low resources computer P4 1.6GHZ |
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| 11:53.44 | a1berto | hi guys, i like debian and ii've add this channel to my favourites. nice to meet you :-) |
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| 11:55.18 | bolt | honeypot: there should be nothing wrong with using debian to do that |
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| 11:57.15 | daemonkeeper | it should be worth noting, that video transcoding makes always heavy use of hardware resources, hence it may be run slow for every distribution, especially for a slow PC: |
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| 11:59.28 | SPF | when I do a ls -l I get a column with the date in the format 20xx-mm-dd, when I run the same script in crontab, I get the date in format MMM dd. Why is it different in crontab? |
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| 12:00.15 | tomreyn | what's the debian way to ensure that after boot something gets written to /sys/... ? |
| 12:00.28 | honeypot | daemonkeeper: this is what makes me look for a distribution with the least addons :) |
| 12:00.46 | tomreyn | i'm trying to automate the first workaround in http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#A.27clocksource.2BAC8-0.3ATimewentbackwards.27 |
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| 12:01.32 | honeypot | bolt: I'm trying to avoid a distribution with a lot of processes in the background that I never use |
| 12:01.48 | tomreyn | someone suggested adding "echo jiffies > /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource" to /etc/rc.local but I guess there can be anicer way |
| 12:01.57 | daemonkeeper | honeypot: You are running Linux. You can strip off whatever you want and don't need anyway. Debian supports your goal, as it does not even install stuff you don't need if you do a baseinstall only. |
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| 12:04.58 | honeypot | ok daemonkeeper, thank you! do you know of any info about alfa 1000mw wireless card support? |
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| 12:06.52 | daemonkeeper | No |
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| 12:07.31 | abrotman | honeypot: you need the actual chipset |
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| 12:08.05 | honeypot | ok, abrotman I will be back |
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| 12:09.08 | brabo | heya, i just installed squeeze on a box, then installed xinit and fluxbox. now when i do startx as normal user, it errors on: No protocol specified.. but when i run it as root, it starts up immediately. i must add that /home is not new and contains old files... any suggestions? |
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| 12:09.54 | honeypot | doesn't the image hold on 1 CD? how much size is the complete iso plz? |
| 12:10.02 | brabo | it ends on: xauth: error in locking authority file /home/brabo/;Xauthority |
| 12:10.13 | tlchack5 | this is going to sound like a really stupid question but I couldn't find the answer using google. I'm in aptitude on a machine that doesn't have a mouse. How do I get to the Actions/Undo/Package/etc bars at the top? I've tried tab, arrow keys,spacebar and just about every key combination that makes sense. Is the only way to memorize the shortcuts for each command? |
| 12:11.07 | brabo | nvm |
| 12:11.11 | frikinz | tlchack5: ctrl-t ? |
| 12:11.26 | brabo | i figured maybe rming .Xauthority would help, and it did |
| 12:11.32 | tlchack5 | frikinz: Awesome! thanks |
| 12:11.38 | abrotman | honeypot: there are multiple ISOs ... be more specific |
| 12:12.09 | honeypot | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:12.24 | abrotman | well, how many are there? |
| 12:12.30 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 12:12.31 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 12:12.58 | frikinz | tomreyn: that's how one normally does |
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| 12:13.29 | honeypot | abrotman: Yah I read that but I want to install it offline since I connect wirelessly to internet |
| 12:13.53 | abrotman | not sure how that matters, you still haven't given us the chipset |
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| 12:14.10 | frikinz | tomreyn: actually :) maybe in /etc/sysctl.d is nicer |
| 12:14.31 | honeypot | RTL8187L: sorry |
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| 12:15.25 | abrotman | !RTL8187L |
| 12:15.26 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B supported as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
| 12:15.37 | abrotman | you would need squeeze or the kmuto installer it would seem |
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| 12:16.02 | brabo | now, when i switch desktops in flux, any terminals open in the desktop i switch to, they refresh their contents like 4 times... suggestions? |
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| 12:16.23 | honeypot | abrotman: any main differences? |
| 12:17.06 | abrotman | yes, the kernel ? |
| 12:18.28 | honeypot | ok, and will I have to connect in command line? I'm not really sure I'll make with WPA2/AES or there will be a network manager GUI? |
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| 12:19.34 | abrotman | it depends what you install with your ISOs |
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| 12:20.50 | www | Hi all. I need to start 3 programs from which one of them (firefox) need to be started as a last one. I typed 'nautilus && thunderbird && firefox-4.0'. Nautilus starts, then thunderbird goes off but the firefox runs when I close tb. What am I doing wrong? P.S. Sorry for spelling - no time to configure irssi. |
| 12:20.56 | honeypot | abrotman: thank you so much! enough talking... I should try to know it myself :) |
| 12:21.25 | abrotman | www: did you try ; or & instead of && |
| 12:21.43 | abrotman | && isn't likely what you want |
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| 12:22.15 | www | abrotman: Thanks for suggetion, but can you elaborate. I don't knew much about bash. |
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| 12:23.31 | www | abrotman: I thought that && will pass the signal of 'i just started' which will tell another program to run. |
| 12:23.33 | abrotman | you would probably want to ask #bash or man bash .. but && is a control operator in bash, so "command1 && command2" .. command2 is only executed after command1 finishes and has an exit value of 0 |
| 12:23.55 | www | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 12:23.57 | thomaschaaf | hey I'm having trouble with http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/539 this tutorial when on the client I do "/sbin/ifup tun0" it tells me tun0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 12:24.06 | thomaschaaf | do I have to install something for this to work? |
| 12:24.12 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, then you have no tunnel device yet |
| 12:24.31 | thomaschaaf | it is not described in the tutorial or am I missing something? |
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| 12:24.50 | www | abrotman: But can you explain me one thing. Why is it that thunderbird starts while nautilus is running? |
| 12:24.53 | ethanol | don't know. I don't use ifconfig for my tunnels. I use the iproute2 tools |
| 12:24.53 | thomaschaaf | do I have to activate the tun module? |
| 12:24.59 | brahman_ | I have a box connected to a new network, there is link. I do not know what ip/broadcast to configure my box with. Can anybody think of a way to figure this out? |
| 12:25.16 | thomaschaaf | ethanol: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-01-03_2359.png is that good for this kind of thing? |
| 12:25.32 | ethanol | I use a very basic ssh tunnel |
| 12:25.40 | thomaschaaf | trying to get the connection between xen hosted and xen office |
| 12:25.42 | ethanol | use it to connect a remote server to my local server |
| 12:26.14 | abrotman | www: it may spawn a subshell, i really don't know .. |
| 12:26.55 | www | abrotman: Thank you for input. |
| 12:26.57 | www | bye |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | i didn't want to say 'bye' anyway! hrmph |
| 12:27.20 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, first I setup a ssh connection which forwards all traffic and create a tun device. then I simply use the ip tunnel, ip link and ip addr to make it work |
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| 12:27.53 | thomaschaaf | ethanol: how do you create a tun device a quick google didn't bring anthing up :( |
| 12:28.04 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, like I said, I use ssh |
| 12:28.43 | ethanol | this is the command I have in my script that makes sure it stays up (sorta) ssh -i /root/.ssh/vpnkeyfile -M -f -w $LOCAL_TUNNEL_DEV:$REMOTE_TUNNEL_DEV $REMOTE_EXTERNAL_IP true |
| 12:28.44 | thomaschaaf | hmm the tutorial is using openssh as a tunnel |
| 12:29.08 | frikinz | brahman_: maybe using dhcp: dhclient eth0 |
| 12:29.09 | ethanol | local tun device basically being a variable in this case holding 0, meaning it will create tun0 |
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| 12:29.26 | ethanol | (I have several tunnels, hence the variables) |
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| 12:30.54 | a931bw | I have problems with squeeze and sound |
| 12:31.11 | ethanol | a931bw, I have a bottle of water |
| 12:31.40 | a931bw | k |
| 12:31.41 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 12:31.44 | a931bw | Sound dissapears |
| 12:31.47 | ethanol | well, it's kinda empty |
| 12:31.50 | ethanol | my water disappeared |
| 12:31.52 | abrotman | a931bw: when playing with flash? |
| 12:31.54 | abrotman | ethanol: stop already |
| 12:31.59 | a931bw | Abortman, yeah |
| 12:32.07 | a931bw | e.g i play music in amarok |
| 12:32.13 | a931bw | and open youtube |
| 12:32.24 | abrotman | did you setup alsa correctly? load the alsa-oss emulation driveres? |
| 12:32.27 | thomaschaaf | ethanol: so how do you see if it is working? |
| 12:32.38 | a931bw | abort |
| 12:32.47 | a931bw | actually i didn't setup anything |
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| 12:32.55 | a931bw | and i believe its pa |
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| 12:33.02 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, well first I let ssh connect. then I add the tunnel, link and addr using iproute2 tools |
| 12:33.05 | brahman_ | frikinz: thanks. these are new networks, there will be not dhcp servers on there. I was thinking of Multicast ping to 224.0.0.2 but that requires a ip.... :-( |
| 12:33.07 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, then I just ping the other side |
| 12:33.22 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 12:33.33 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, but once ssh has connected the rest really is only required to get networking going. the connection is there already |
| 12:33.35 | Rienzilla | how often do dist-upgrades from etch to lenny fail? :) |
| 12:33.57 | bolt | Rienzilla: often enough for you to make a backup |
| 12:34.02 | bolt | Rienzilla: then you wont have to worry |
| 12:34.19 | bolt | Rienzilla: and also we wont yell at you for not having a backup if you do :) |
| 12:34.26 | Rienzilla | I don't make a backup before I do something, I always have backups :) |
| 12:34.36 | Rienzilla | I just don't want to break stuff |
| 12:34.49 | ethanol | nobody does |
| 12:34.52 | ethanol | but it can happen |
| 12:34.53 | bolt | Rienzilla: unless you have some weird setup, it should work fine |
| 12:35.11 | Rienzilla | ok, no it's a standard etch with only a few things installed |
| 12:35.18 | bolt | Rienzilla: it should work fine |
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| 12:35.44 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, can't really have the same networks on both sides though. makes routing complex. |
| 12:36.31 | a931bw | how do i setup alsa properly? |
| 12:37.09 | thomaschaaf | ethanol: so you are saying have one 10... for xen hosted and 192... for office? |
| 12:37.13 | honeypot | abortman: what version Kumoto is? I didn't find it here: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 12:37.46 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, not that explicit, no. but having 192.168.0.x/24 on either side will make things complicated, if not impossible |
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| 12:38.10 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, but you could go with 192.168.1.x/24 on side A, and 192.168.2.x/24 on side B for example. would be easy then |
| 12:38.24 | thomaschaaf | k |
| 12:39.52 | abrotman | !tell honeypot about kmuto |
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| 12:40.36 | frikinz | brahman_: you could try "arpwatch -p", the best being to ask your administrator |
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| 12:43.35 | ragnar_ | hi all |
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| 12:45.10 | JyZyXEL | how do you add a disk back to dirty degraded raid5? |
| 12:45.22 | JyZyXEL | when you have 2 missing |
| 12:45.39 | ragnar_ | i have a usb gamepad with a digital and two analog controllers on it and when i configure the digital controller the mouse pointer always moves to direction i have pressed. hhow can i disable this behabehaviour? |
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| 12:47.52 | nsadmin | so I got my cdrom to boot and I went ahead and replaced my debootstrapped squeeze with one from netinst. |
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| 12:48.37 | a931bw | guys, i have problem with debian and sound in flash |
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| 12:49.21 | honeypot | abrotman: kumoto are modified isos that contain extra drivers? You said squeeze might work... Will I have to install the card myself in squeeze? |
| 12:49.32 | abrotman | no idea, i don't have your card |
| 12:49.45 | honeypot | ok, I see |
| 12:49.50 | abrotman | the bot implies it should just work |
| 12:50.44 | nsadmin | I'm trying to get X going and I have this: "01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791e]" |
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| 12:51.18 | nsadmin | my uname -r: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:51.31 | nsadmin | but I want to get the bigmem one |
| 12:51.59 | tvm | install it using apt-get, then. |
| 12:52.08 | frikinz | JyZyXEL: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda (check, it's been some time I did not do raid) |
| 12:52.19 | JyZyXEL | well i did --re-add |
| 12:52.21 | nsadmin | oh, also, I have a grub installed on /dev/sda13; how can I boot it from the other (legacy) grub? |
| 12:52.38 | JyZyXEL | its still in "Not Started" state |
| 12:52.39 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, http://text.pastebin.com/EpLP5jzu very short description |
| 12:52.50 | brahman_ | frikinz: network teams are never the fastest responce. |
| 12:53.05 | JyZyXEL | ok --run worked there |
| 12:53.09 | brahman_ | frikinz: Thanks. |
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| 12:53.57 | frikinz | brahman_: then try what I gave you. but beware, if you put your interface to non-promiscous, you are running a sniffer, which is clearly forbidden (and can be detected) |
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| 12:54.03 | nsadmin | what's the difference between the normal driver and the dkms one? |
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| 12:54.28 | frikinz | brahman_: er 'to promiscuous' |
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| 12:54.43 | thomaschaaf | ethanol: is the latency big with the ssh method or should I use openvpn for it instead? do you know? |
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| 12:55.40 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, I use it for mysql replication amongst other things (also sharing some mounts). latency is the same as with any other method in my experience. just a little cpu overhead cause everything is encrypted. but most machines wont have any trouble with that. |
| 12:55.55 | nsadmin | a sniffer is promiscuous, not nonpromiscuous |
| 12:55.57 | nsadmin | just so you know |
| 12:56.03 | ethanol | nsadmin, he already corrected himself |
| 12:56.06 | thomaschaaf | ethanol: thanks I will try it now :) |
| 12:57.21 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, and of course you will have to sort out your routes/forwarding using iptables and ip route (or old route tool) |
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| 12:59.53 | ethanol | thomaschaaf, you will have to follow some of those items mentioned in the guide you had found already |
| 13:01.14 | brahman_ | frikinz: yeah no worries, I know how to use tcpdump and it's consequences. I was just trying to bypass company protocol as the network team is particularly slow at responding. A reccuring them where ever I go... |
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| 13:08.03 | frikinz | brahman_: if there's no dhcp you'll then need a fixed IP. You'll have to guess one and you might take the one of someone else which will create a big mess. So meanwhile, tell your boss your computer does not work and go fetch a coffee :) like I will do now :) |
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| 13:11.44 | Dantix | hi all, I'm in trouble with dependencies and can't figure out how exit from the vicious circle. All started when issued tasksel install desktop which ends with an error. Here the output of apt-get -f install: http://pastebin.com/SRJT1fmQ. How can I resolve it? |
| 13:12.30 | abrotman | that's not a dependecy issue, a package is failing |
| 13:12.54 | JyZyXEL | FUCK i mounted a disk to / accidentally |
| 13:12.59 | JyZyXEL | on top of the real / |
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| 13:13.24 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: and now you know why root is the only allowed mounter |
| 13:13.36 | JyZyXEL | how do i fix this |
| 13:13.44 | nsadmin | I had to reboot |
| 13:13.46 | abrotman | umount by partition, not mount point |
| 13:13.53 | abrotman | but it will probably hose the running system |
| 13:14.08 | nsadmin | if not already hosed |
| 13:14.09 | JyZyXEL | umount: /: device is busy |
| 13:14.13 | JyZyXEL | great |
| 13:14.16 | JyZyXEL | just great |
| 13:14.20 | nsadmin | reboot |
| 13:14.22 | CissWit | Just reboot |
| 13:14.26 | JyZyXEL | how the hell did it let me mount to / |
| 13:14.38 | abrotman | you told it to |
| 13:14.42 | nsadmin | imo, it shouldn't have |
| 13:14.54 | ziroux | and we miss that fun? |
| 13:15.07 | ziroux | :) |
| 13:15.09 | nsadmin | if there's something mounted there already, shouldn't allow another |
| 13:15.17 | CissWit | of course it should |
| 13:15.39 | CissWit | there's alreay my root file system mount on /mnt/usb |
| 13:15.49 | CissWit | but fortunatly, i can mount my usb there |
| 13:15.49 | omid8bimo | building custom kernel 2.6.35 |
| 13:15.54 | JyZyXEL | nsadmin: i know |
| 13:15.56 | JyZyXEL | but it still did |
| 13:16.08 | Dantix | abrotman: is gij-4.3 the problem, if yes how can I reinstall o remove is apt-get gives me errors? |
| 13:16.11 | JyZyXEL | sudo umount /dev/mapper/cryptraid why does it tell me / is busy |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | Dantix: fix the problem it is complaining about .. is this a chroot or vps ? |
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| 13:16.49 | JyZyXEL | man this is some bullshit |
| 13:16.49 | brahman_ | mount -o remount /dev/sdax / |
| 13:16.50 | Dantix | abrotman: chroot of ltsp |
| 13:17.03 | brahman_ | try that... |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | see how it complains about /proc/stat/self ? |
| 13:17.28 | Dantix | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:17.37 | JyZyXEL | brahman_: doesn't help |
| 13:17.48 | JyZyXEL | oh wait |
| 13:17.50 | nsadmin | what is the correct squeeze driver for "01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791e]" |
| 13:17.56 | JyZyXEL | it did nothing |
| 13:18.01 | JyZyXEL | it remounted it |
| 13:18.12 | JyZyXEL | GREAT now its rw |
| 13:18.15 | JyZyXEL | thanks for that |
| 13:18.22 | brahman_ | no problem... |
| 13:18.26 | JyZyXEL | fuck this |
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| 13:18.28 | JyZyXEL | im rebooting |
| 13:18.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | what's a good webbrowser on debian squeeze? |
| 13:18.55 | JyZyXEL | so fucking ridiculous it even let me do that |
| 13:18.57 | brahman_ | what do you mean it remounted? |
| 13:19.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | Iceweasle is horrible ^^ |
| 13:19.19 | nsadmin | well a good browswer can't be horrible... |
| 13:19.52 | Zharf | KaffeeJunky123, there's no such thing as a 'good browser' |
| 13:20.00 | Bushmills | links2 is quite ok |
| 13:20.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: well, anything better then iceweasle would do fine |
| 13:20.14 | Zharf | 'ok' is not 'good' :) |
| 13:20.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's horrible |
| 13:20.28 | Pumba | lynx is just perfect for simply browsing :) |
| 13:20.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | laggy scrolling etc |
| 13:20.36 | nsadmin | but anyway... knowing that iceweasel is horrible isn't anywhere near enough info to make a good guess |
| 13:20.41 | Bushmills | what does a web browser need to be "good"? |
| 13:20.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Pumba: I'll consider lynx for reading online newspapers ;) |
| 13:21.02 | nsadmin | tell ya what... design a browser... |
| 13:21.05 | ziroux | Bushmills: it should open porn ;) |
| 13:21.20 | nsadmin | and close Fox News... |
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| 13:22.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: choppy scrolling, grey squares appear every now and then, windows on top of iceweasle leave traces in the iceweasle window for several seconds etc etc |
| 13:22.09 | Zharf | adblock plus removes all those laggy elements that make scrolling laggy ;) |
| 13:22.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: I do have AdBlock Plus and NoScript installed in iceweasle |
| 13:22.36 | Burps | Hi : I have to struggle with an old machine I can't reinstall (old sarge...) : how can I know the options used to compile a debian package ? |
| 13:22.56 | Zharf | sounds like your graphics card is just super slow |
| 13:23.03 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 13:23.07 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 13:23.10 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 13:23.13 | nsadmin | look in .. |
| 13:23.16 | Zharf | aanyway, I can't recommend any other browser because none of the others have adblock and vimperator available |
| 13:23.20 | Zharf | :) |
| 13:23.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: nvidia geforce 8600 gt with 256mb video memory |
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| 13:23.40 | bolt | all browsers suck :( |
| 13:23.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: I've the most recent nvidia binary drivers |
| 13:23.44 | Bushmills | Zharf: there's an ad blocking plugin in epiphany |
| 13:23.46 | Zharf | bolt, yes they do |
| 13:23.54 | Zharf | Bushmills, but there's no vimperator |
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| 13:24.09 | nsadmin | misread that as vibrator |
| 13:24.25 | Zharf | >.< |
| 13:24.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: I just can't belive that I'm browsing the web faster an less choppy on my N900 then on my workstation ^^ |
| 13:24.42 | nsadmin | I know, right? eww :) |
| 13:25.03 | sphenxes | I have installed the driver of NVidia to my :VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1). Now i will buy a new nvidia card: Palit NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS. How can I install. Should i delete the old drivers from the kernal. or what should i do to prepare for the new graphic card (Debian: squeeze) |
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| 13:25.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: how did you install the driver? |
| 13:25.56 | Zharf | !kernal |
| 13:25.57 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
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| 13:26.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: and what driver version is it? |
| 13:26.36 | nsadmin | !room |
| 13:26.36 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 13:27.12 | Zharf | KaffeeJunky123, anyway, there's plenty of browsers in debian, apt-cache will tell you about them... there's also opera and chrome |
| 13:27.17 | sphenxes | nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 13:27.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: blasphemia!!!! |
| 13:27.44 | Zharf | KaffeeJunky123, ? |
| 13:27.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: that one should work for your new card as well |
| 13:27.58 | sphenxes | KaffeeJunky123, thanks |
| 13:27.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: you're suggesting a non-free browser |
| 13:28.09 | Zharf | KaffeeJunky123, who the hell cares about free or non-free |
| 13:28.14 | Zharf | irrelevant |
| 13:28.29 | Zharf | anyway, work day's over -> home |
| 13:28.33 | nsadmin | Zharf, some people do |
| 13:28.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | Zharf: Well, there's this guy called Richard Stallman |
| 13:29.07 | nsadmin | who is more of a KaffeeJunkie than you are :) |
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| 13:29.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | but I don't like opera anyways |
| 13:29.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | on desktops |
| 13:29.44 | nsadmin | howbout on servers? |
| 13:29.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | Operamini is the best mobile browser ever |
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| 13:30.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: why should I install a graphical webbrowser on a server? |
| 13:30.32 | nsadmin | that would leave a desktop... but I thought you just ruled that out... |
| 13:30.50 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: it's missing some stuff, but it is very nice |
| 13:31.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | I guess I could just get a real firefox |
| 13:31.30 | nsadmin | wjat |
| 13:31.36 | nsadmin | is the difference |
| 13:31.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | iceweasle is an abdomination of firefox |
| 13:31.58 | abrotman | weasel |
| 13:32.10 | nsadmin | yes, I always thought weasels were very abdominal |
| 13:32.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | and it's freezing |
| 13:32.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | hence the ice |
| 13:32.26 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: gnome? kde? |
| 13:32.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: gnome, kde is of the devil |
| 13:32.44 | nsadmin | is not :P |
| 13:32.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | it is |
| 13:33.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | he invented plasmoids to slowly drain all you resources |
| 13:33.22 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: epiphany has a webkit and a gecko mode |
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| 13:33.27 | nsadmin | oh, yeah, the booth bunnies at the last linux show were very impressed with my horns... |
| 13:33.33 | abrotman | I think there's sitll galeon also |
| 13:33.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | epiphany lacks a proper password storage though |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | nsadmin: really? seriously? |
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| 13:33.57 | nsadmin | dangit I need some help getting my x server going |
| 13:34.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: why would you want your x server to go ;)? |
| 13:34.22 | nsadmin | abrotman: no, but I noticed some supposed hawaiian ones handing out leis |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: galeon? opera? iceweasel? you're running out of options .. I use a combo of all three |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | nsadmin: knock it off .. try #debian-offtopic at least |
| 13:34.46 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: opera has apt sources if that makes it easier?! :) |
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| 13:34.55 | nsadmin | and this one gave a lei to all the bsd people who were wearing horns |
| 13:34.59 | Cim | Hi |
| 13:35.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | "rumour has it, galeon is a web browser for the <GNOME> desktop based on the Gecko rendering engine." |
| 13:35.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | interresting |
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| 13:35.56 | nsadmin | I think fireweasel is Gecko based as well |
| 13:36.01 | abrotman | galeon used to be the gnome-ish browser of choice, until they wouldn't play nice with the Gnome HIG |
| 13:36.04 | abrotman | IIRC |
| 13:36.17 | Cim | Can anyone help mi find guide to overclock i7 950 on Asus P6T Deluxe? I need it to my studies |
| 13:36.37 | abrotman | Cim: try ##hardware |
| 13:37.00 | Cim | ok |
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| 13:42.34 | Zharf | nsadmin, some people are fools |
| 13:42.56 | nsadmin | some fools are people... |
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| 13:43.19 | nsadmin | anyway my x config (one I tried) and the log from it are here: http://pastebin.com/ca7Pb4XN |
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| 13:45.21 | nsadmin | it doesn't look like there are errors... but the screen doesn't come up and ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work (ctrl-alt-Fn works) |
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| 13:47.39 | drw | I need one tip about squeeze with my laptop |
| 13:48.22 | drw | the temp is very high in my processor |
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| 13:50.17 | nsadmin | drw: and the tip you need is? |
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| 13:50.43 | wadefak | http://pastebin.com/4kphVHhS can anyone help me with this? |
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| 13:50.53 | wadefak | havent get any updates lately |
| 13:51.25 | nsadmin | wadefak: what is that link? not going there without some more info |
| 13:51.46 | wadefak | ouh dats the error for my apt-get update |
| 13:51.49 | Cim | wadefak: show your sources.list |
| 13:52.58 | wadefak | http://pastebin.com/bGRVn26V |
| 13:53.20 | abrotman | wadefak: probably should use a better mirror than ftp.debian.org |
| 13:53.27 | abrotman | and your sources are wrong anyway |
| 13:53.56 | wadefak | ahh..sorry bout that, kinda new to debian. i'm just using the defaults |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | wadefak: try these "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free", "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free", "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/ lenny/volatile main contrib non-free" |
| 13:55.01 | abrotman | those weren't the defaults |
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| 13:55.21 | wadefak | alrites. thanx m8 :) |
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| 13:56.00 | abrotman | wadefak: then "apt-get update;aptitude update" |
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| 13:57.35 | nsadmin | oh, and you might consider using aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 13:58.26 | wadefak | there's a difference eh? |
| 13:58.35 | nsadmin | bigto,e |
| 13:58.39 | nsadmin | time |
| 13:58.55 | nsadmin | it's much better at resolving deps |
| 13:59.22 | wadefak | n all this time i tot apt-get was the 'yum' of debian +_+ |
| 13:59.25 | leejongwook | [Q] Kernel module build environment not found ? |
| 13:59.30 | wadefak | thanx m8 :) |
| 13:59.45 | nsadmin | it keeps track of packages by whether you install them directly or they're installed automatically to resolve a dep |
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| 14:00.04 | nsadmin | so that if you remove a package you installed, it takes the deps with it |
| 14:00.12 | drw | about temp for processor |
| 14:00.34 | drw | is very harm 60C |
| 14:00.34 | abrotman | drw: installed acpi and friends? |
| 14:00.41 | Trewas | aptitude is not recommended over apt-get anymore, actually is the other way round |
| 14:00.44 | drw | yes, i got it. |
| 14:01.02 | nsadmin | why? |
| 14:01.03 | deepy | Trewas: how come? |
| 14:01.17 | drw | I have version kernel 2.6.32.-5 |
| 14:01.24 | leejongwook | [Q] Installing ATI driver -> log: Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module. |
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| 14:02.31 | Trewas | deepy: because aptitude's more "intelligent" dependency solver occasionally makes very bad decisions and apt-get does not miss any important features anymore |
| 14:02.50 | Trewas | "In previous releases, aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have shown to more consistently give the desired upgrade results. " <- from the squeeze release notes |
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| 14:04.44 | deepy | I see |
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| 14:05.37 | neni | hi, In what package can I find the ps command? coreutils? |
| 14:05.58 | nsadmin | , file bin/ps |
| 14:06.01 | judd | bin/ps in lenny/i386: procps: bin/ps |
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| 14:06.46 | neni | procps, thank you! |
| 14:07.13 | nsadmin | you can perform the same type of search with apt-file |
| 14:07.36 | neni | ok, thanks |
| 14:08.34 | nsadmin | does squeeze switch console font when it boots? |
| 14:10.33 | stew | Trewas: that statement is meant to indicate a preference for apt-get just for lenny->squeeze, not universally |
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| 14:11.23 | wadefak | which 1 is better, aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 14:11.58 | nsadmin | well mostly 1 is better, but I usually prefer .2 + .8 |
| 14:12.42 | JPT | just upgrade... depending on how critical it is, you should check the list of packages that get updated |
| 14:12.43 | nsadmin | they're two different functions, they're not better or worse |
| 14:13.34 | nsadmin | if you're upgrading, you should read the release notes of the version you're upgrading to |
| 14:14.28 | stew | wadefak: full-upgrade is more aggressive. it will upgrade some stuff that safe-upgrade wont because it is wiling to remove more packages, so if you use it, you'll need to pay closer attention to what exactly it is doing (it's, of course, a good idea to always pay close attention...) |
| 14:15.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: it can switch the font .. |
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| 14:16.11 | nsadmin | abrotman: can it also (on a fresh squeeze install) put a frame buffer? |
| 14:16.28 | nsadmin | out of the box, without asking to |
| 14:17.02 | nsadmin | I'm having total blockage figuring out why the x won't work in squeeze |
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| 14:21.19 | zaarg | i need to delete a file on a disk, but i can't mount the disk rw. |
| 14:21.27 | zaarg | can i access the disk directly to do this? |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: did you try the radeon driver? or vesa? look at the Xorg.0.log? |
| 14:21.42 | zaarg | like dd over the file |
| 14:22.57 | nsadmin | anyway my x config (one I tried) and the log from it are here: http://pastebin.com/ca7Pb4XN |
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| 14:23.58 | nsadmin | it doesn't look like there are errors... but the screen doesn't come up and ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work (no effect when pressed) (ctrl-alt-Fn works) |
| 14:24.44 | nsadmin | oh, vesa, what do I install for that |
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| 14:25.59 | pythoned | Hello! What is the name of the package that has all the full version of eclipse(java, php, c/c++)? I couldn't find it in Synaptic packet manager, only eclipse for java. |
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| 14:26.19 | pythoned | Or do I have to get it from eclipse.org website? |
| 14:27.00 | nsadmin | just installed xserver-xorg-video-all |
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| 14:29.25 | stew | pythoned: eclipse-cdt adds c++ to eclipse. i don't know about php, apt-cache search doesn't seem to turn up anything |
| 14:29.47 | pythoned | stew, I especially want it for c development. |
| 14:30.16 | stew | judd: versions eclipse-cdt |
| 14:30.17 | judd | Package eclipse-cdt on i386 -- sid: 6.0.2-1 |
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| 14:30.40 | nsadmin | (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 14:30.41 | stew | probably not easily |
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| 14:31.23 | nsadmin | do I not have the proper libs? |
| 14:31.36 | Iridos | mismatch between glx and video driver, probably |
| 14:31.38 | stew | nsadmin: which driver are you trying to use now? |
| 14:31.46 | nsadmin | vesa |
| 14:31.49 | Iridos | there's e.g. nvidia-glx for nvidia... |
| 14:31.58 | nsadmin | (and radeon is insmodded) |
| 14:32.02 | stew | nsadmin: are you sure? vesa shouldn't be trying to use glx |
| 14:32.43 | pythoned | stew, Is there a problem if I download the full eclipse from eclipse.org website? Can I keep it up to date from the terminal or I have to download the new updates manually? |
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| 14:33.06 | nsadmin | I won't be -sure- until it's working :) |
| 14:33.08 | stew | pythoned: i'd guess you have to download manually |
| 14:33.22 | pythoned | stew, Ok, thanks so much for the help. |
| 14:33.26 | stew | pythoned: you could look at "/msg dpkg ssb" though I doubt this would be a 'simple' backport |
| 14:33.32 | nsadmin | why would you upgrade if you get used to it? |
| 14:34.21 | nsadmin | eclipse changed a LOT between say 3.3 and 3.6 |
| 14:35.06 | nsadmin | I'd be willing to guess your productivity would go down sharply for like a week |
| 14:36.02 | Iridos | sounds like a good reason to upgrade to me |
| 14:36.19 | nsadmin | stew: well I have to ctrl-c the server every time, since ctrl-alt-bksp has no effect |
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| 14:36.39 | Iridos | re-enable it... |
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| 14:37.32 | Iridos | !tell nsadmin -about dontzap |
| 14:37.42 | stew | nsadmin: do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 14:37.46 | stew | nsadmin: can you put your log in a pastebin? |
| 14:38.09 | Iridos | hard-to-remember name for that factoid |
| 14:38.11 | nsadmin | Iridos, I did that total-beginner java/eclipse tutorial, and I was using 3.6.1 earlier, to do android stuff... it's very different |
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| 14:38.26 | nsadmin | anyway my x config (one I tried) and the log from it are here: http://pastebin.com/ca7Pb4XN |
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| 14:38.56 | nsadmin | but more recently I changed "radeon" to "vesa" to try it |
| 14:39.29 | stew | nsadmin: which driver do you actually want to use? |
| 14:39.34 | stew | nsadmin: have you tried without an xorg.conf? |
| 14:40.00 | nsadmin | yes, but radeon is still insmodded (there seem to be two related modules inserted presently) |
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| 14:40.17 | nsadmin | anything that works and doesn't flicker... I don't presently need 3d |
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| 14:40.21 | stew | nsadmin: had you installed fglrx? |
| 14:40.26 | nsadmin | I have a flat panel |
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| 14:40.27 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 14:41.02 | stew | i'd assume that is why your glx is broken |
| 14:41.14 | nsadmin | let me see if I can remove them |
| 14:41.37 | nsadmin | so if I installed the fglrx, that could break things if I try to use radeon? |
| 14:41.43 | stew | nsadmin: you could try NOT loading glx, i don't know though |
| 14:41.45 | stew | yes |
| 14:42.10 | nsadmin | ok, that makes sense... let me rmmod the radeons first |
| 14:42.15 | stew | why? |
| 14:42.26 | stew | why rmmod? |
| 14:42.28 | Iridos | I thought 'cause he's not using it |
| 14:42.38 | nsadmin | would they interfere if I try to use something else? |
| 14:42.50 | stew | he's trying to use it |
| 14:43.00 | Iridos | I thought he's trying to use vesa |
| 14:43.00 | nsadmin | or wait, am I about to install the glx libs for the radeon driver? |
| 14:43.07 | stew | Iridos: not in the logs he posted |
| 14:43.12 | nsadmin | I'm trying to get it to work :) |
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| 14:43.29 | nsadmin | stew: do you see errors in the log? |
| 14:43.43 | Iridos | you probably have fglrx-glx and are using the radeonhd driver right now |
| 14:44.08 | stew | not in the logs he posted |
| 14:44.08 | nsadmin | radeonhd? not sure my chipset is supported by that |
| 14:44.12 | Iridos | check dpkg -l \*glx\* |
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| 14:45.19 | Iridos | well, X is detecting your card as PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:791e:1043:826d ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] |
| 14:45.25 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/rrxBuKgQ |
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| 14:45.46 | abrotman | does fglrx work with the X1200 ? |
| 14:45.46 | nsadmin | Iridos: that's your dpkg run request |
| 14:46.00 | stew | does fglrx work with the radeon driver? |
| 14:46.15 | Iridos | right... you have fglrx-glx installed and you run with a radeon driver |
| 14:46.24 | stew | (II) Module glx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc." compiled for 7.5.0, module version = 1.0.0 |
| 14:46.25 | Iridos | uninstall fglrx-glx |
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| 14:47.50 | nsadmin | ok, did that |
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| 14:49.57 | Muisje | How can i combine a zip command to be executed after the previous command? |
| 14:50.11 | joltcan | foo && bar |
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| 14:50.15 | Muisje | I now use create file | key file | zip |
| 14:50.20 | joltcan | then bar will happen if foo have succeeded |
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| 14:50.26 | Muisje | so i should do: file | key file && zip |
| 14:50.28 | Muisje | ? |
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| 14:50.42 | joltcan | yeah, that works. Otherwise ";" is used to separate commands |
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| 14:51.09 | Muisje | thank you :) |
| 14:51.47 | joltcan | Muisje: ";" will run commands regardless of the exit status. But I like to use || or && (false / true) for stuff that depends on output |
| 14:52.29 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/3rq1PVzL <-- current config and log |
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| 14:56.00 | nsadmin | anyway, it's late and I have to snooze awhile. thanks very much for help so far. |
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| 14:56.32 | nsadmin | lsmod | sort |
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| 14:59.04 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 14:59.32 | joltcan | Hello moto! |
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| 15:00.19 | dury | joltcan: hi there |
| 15:00.25 | spo0nman | Hi! I'm using haproxy and all my connections time out after 5seconds. even though my timeout values are higher http://pastebin.com/DRTpaeN6 |
| 15:00.40 | spo0nman | any ideas? |
| 15:00.56 | dury | http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-magicdisc-overview.htm is there a package for debian |
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| 15:01.37 | dury | mount .iso file in debian |
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| 15:02.26 | nsadmin | mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mnt/point |
| 15:03.28 | nsadmin | you don't need magiciso, mount and loop do it |
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| 15:04.32 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 15:04.32 | dury | nsadmin: right... so I have to be sure if loop is installed... is it correct? |
| 15:04.41 | nsadmin | yes |
| 15:04.46 | joltcan | dury: loop is a kernel module |
| 15:05.11 | joltcan | dury: so modprobe loop if it isn't working |
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| 15:05.17 | nsadmin | so you'd have to make sure the module exists, which it does in debianized kernels |
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| 15:06.07 | dury | nsadmin: so.. apt-get install loop |
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| 15:08.20 | dury | joltcan: so ... apt-get install loop is that correct? |
| 15:08.35 | nsadmin | dury make sure it's in your kernel |
| 15:08.40 | nsadmin | lsmod |
| 15:08.44 | joltcan | dury: No. Loop is a kernel module. If you are running the stock kernel, its already on your system |
| 15:09.00 | nsadmin | look thru that listing (well I like lsmod | sort) |
| 15:09.09 | nsadmin | you will see if it's inserted |
| 15:09.10 | nsadmin | if not |
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| 15:09.16 | nsadmin | modprobe loop |
| 15:09.46 | dury | as root |
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| 15:11.30 | dury | it's there |
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| 15:12.11 | joltcan | dury: do you have the mount path? i.e. mkdir /mnt/point |
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| 15:16.18 | dury | joltcan: /mnt directory exist but point not |
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| 15:17.00 | DragonMaster | could someone give me some help on how to restrict user accounts to use only 1 ip and to also use so many descriptors (sockets) please |
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| 15:19.06 | dury | joltcan: is it the same in ubuntu? |
| 15:19.48 | dury | joltcan: I mean 'mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mnt/point' |
| 15:21.04 | dury | nsadmin: is it the same in ubuntu? |
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| 15:21.32 | sickn3ss | does the normal kernel for Debian squeeze come with PAE enabled ? |
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| 15:22.55 | babilen | sickn3ss: No, but the -bigmem- ones do |
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| 15:23.03 | sickn3ss | ok |
| 15:23.21 | babilen | sickn3ss: You could also install a 64bit kernel though |
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| 15:23.32 | joltcan | dury: Yes, I think all of the above is the same |
| 15:23.37 | sickn3ss | babilen, my laptop is not x64 |
| 15:23.55 | babilen | sickn3ss: Ah, I guess that rules out that option ;) |
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| 15:24.25 | sickn3ss | babilen, yea |
| 15:24.47 | sickn3ss | hey if I find the "nx" flag when I cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 15:24.53 | sickn3ss | does that mean my CPu supports hardware DEP ? |
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| 15:25.27 | dury | right |
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| 15:25.48 | sickn3ss | but that does not mean it's enabled |
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| 15:26.16 | sickn3ss | right ? |
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| 15:28.42 | ttiicc | Im right now using debian testing and would like to switch over to debain stable sqeezee. How could I be able to do this? |
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| 15:29.21 | petemc | ttiicc: squeeze isnt stable yet |
| 15:29.34 | stew | ttiicc: debian stable squeeze? stable is currently lenny and testing is currently squeeze. "debian stable squeeze" doesn't really make sense |
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| 15:31.07 | ttiicc | yes but Im willing to use testing as long as lenny is the stable one. When sqeeze is out as the stable version I would like to switch using it instead of the new testing version |
| 15:31.36 | joltcan | ttiicc: change stable to squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 15:31.57 | ttiicc | how could I confnigure my system for doing this? do you guys understad my question :) |
| 15:32.12 | Dis0 | change testing to squeeze in sources.list |
| 15:32.25 | ttiicc | Im right now on the testing version of debian |
| 15:32.32 | ttiicc | yes thanks Dis0 |
| 15:32.40 | babilen | ttiicc: You just have to make sure that you use "squeeze" instead of "testing" in your sources.list. If you haven't upgraded to Squeeze yet, follow the release notes. |
| 15:33.13 | Dis0 | np |
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| 15:34.27 | ttiicc | so as I understands it, I could right now replace testing with squeeze in my sources.list and do a dist uppgrade!? |
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| 15:35.22 | Dis0 | i dont tjink you need to dist-upgrade |
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| 15:35.32 | Dis0 | as testing=squeeze right now |
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| 15:36.06 | ttiicc | ok thanks for the replies! |
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| 15:38.22 | GREk_ | Hi. Is there a timeout option, when enstablishing a (reverse) ssh tunnel? |
| 15:39.08 | dkr | GREk_: man ssh /timeout |
| 15:41.19 | GREk_ | Err? |
| 15:41.27 | GREk_ | You mean 'man ssh | grep timeout'? |
| 15:41.40 | GREk_ | or similar? |
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| 15:41.53 | jeff_hann | GREk_, he means that '/' is the search key in man |
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| 15:42.00 | GREk_ | Anyway; there is no arguments for timeout. |
| 15:42.07 | jeff_hann | eh '/ <searchterm>' |
| 15:42.12 | jeff_hann | *eg |
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| 15:45.19 | dkr | GREk_: it means "man ssh", then type "/", then type "timeout" ;) |
| 15:46.11 | dkr | so you want -o ConnectTimeout=x |
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| 15:48.42 | crilly|w | Does Debian come with an SNMP option pre-installed or available via repositories? I'm playing around with Cacti and I'd like to monitor the interface traffic on a Debian Linu machine (we have about 7/8 Debian Linux servers that will need monitoring), but my graphs are empty for the interface datasets I've defined. This tells me SNMP isn't working. |
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| 15:49.30 | babilen | http://wiki.debian.org/SNMP |
| 15:49.46 | babilen | ,info snmp |
| 15:49.48 | judd | Package snmp (net, optional) in lenny/i386: SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) applications. Version: 5.4.1~dfsg-12; Size: 1013.2k; Installed: 1376k; Homepage: http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:50.04 | wintix | crilly|w: you need something like snmpd prior to being able to poll infos via snmp |
| 15:50.09 | crilly|w | OK cool. Let me give that a try, babilen |
| 15:50.15 | tech13 | ,info snmpd |
| 15:50.18 | judd | Package snmpd (net, optional) in lenny/i386: SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) agents. Version: 5.4.1~dfsg-12; Size: 934.3k; Installed: 1208k; Homepage: http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:50.30 | crilly|w | wintix, well Cacti is getting other information, like CPU load and memory usage, etc. |
| 15:51.07 | babilen | crilly|w: I am not sure that this is needed for Cacti though, but I guess it is worth a try. Good luck. |
| 15:51.30 | babilen | crilly|w: I would also ask in #cacti what exactly is needed. |
| 15:53.04 | crilly|w | It is working, it seems. |
| 15:53.12 | crilly|w | babilen, Cacti uses SNMP to gather the data I ask of it. |
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| 15:53.44 | babilen | great :) |
| 15:54.03 | crilly|w | (how else could it obtain it?) |
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| 15:54.32 | crilly|w | Personally, I think SNMP is potentially a massive seurity hole if you need close off what can and can't be accessed. |
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| 15:57.05 | dkr | crilly|w: snmp is just one method. it can execute any abritrarty script(e.g. one that ssh's and reads /proc) to get the data to graph |
| 15:57.06 | JuanDaugherty | I'm seeing a lot of third parties who seem to be acting as if Squeeze was the current release. Why is that? |
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| 15:57.37 | crilly|w | dkr, without credentials? how? |
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| 15:58.00 | abrotman | JuanDaugherty: they're wrong .. it doesn't matter why .. they're just wrong |
| 15:58.30 | JuanDaugherty | Eucalyptus, is the one I just saw, can't recall the one b4 that. |
| 15:59.20 | dkr | crilly|w: that was just a random example. but regarding gathering stats via ssh, the the same way you automate any remote connection - with an authorized key 9you can even limit the key to be used from just the monitring server ip and only run specific command) |
| 16:04.26 | Iridos | JuanDaugherty, it is going to release as stable "soon".... perhaps those parties are future parties |
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| 16:05.07 | JuanDaugherty | Iridos, meaning before 2011Q2? |
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| 16:05.36 | stew | JuanDaugherty: probably |
| 16:05.51 | Iridos | JuanDaugherty, probably, but as usually there's no way to know |
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| 16:06.24 | JuanDaugherty | stew, Iridos, acknowledged. |
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| 16:09.18 | Dis0 | how can i activate completion when i type sudo sthg or aptitude sthg? |
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| 16:10.46 | stew | Dis0: is the bash-completion package installed? (assuming you are running bash) |
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| 16:11.34 | Dis0 | hmm, no, thanks :) |
| 16:11.49 | Dis0 | but completion works with just one command |
| 16:12.29 | stew | Dis0: install the bash-completion package |
| 16:12.50 | Dis0 | yes, im doing it right now |
| 16:13.35 | Dis0 | wierd i looked on google but never found about this package |
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| 16:14.34 | Dis0 | it works thanks :) i was kinda tired of typing the entire commands all the time |
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| 16:19.55 | abrotman | wonders when they will add the volatile repos for squeeze ... |
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| 16:25.24 | solifugus | ok.. So I lost my root password to a production Debian server... What now? |
| 16:25.24 | Devastator | now you will be fired.. |
| 16:25.46 | tvm | single user ? |
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| 16:25.46 | stew | abrotman: already exists: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/ |
| 16:25.46 | abrotman | volatile? |
| 16:25.48 | stew | yes |
| 16:25.49 | abrotman | oh .. not what i meant! |
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| 16:41.27 | slak | me sale un error con apt-get C?mo debo solucionar este problema?? |
| 16:41.36 | dkr | jair: ##hardware |
| 16:41.47 | pipeline | sickn3ss: they're related in that no chips support NX that don't also support PAE |
| 16:42.06 | pipeline | cdog69: yep those are fine. System is under load, but not TOO MUCH load. |
| 16:42.09 | pipeline | slak: #debian-es |
| 16:42.15 | sickn3ss | pipeline, I mean you don't need PAE enabled for NX to be enabled right ? (my cpu supports both cat /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 16:42.31 | jair | dkr: I am there thank you buddy |
| 16:42.50 | pipeline | sickn3ss: I think on 32 bit, pae and nx are connected that way |
| 16:43.09 | slak | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11: cannot open shared object file: Input/output error |
| 16:43.21 | slak | o k |
| 16:43.28 | sickn3ss | pipeline, well I have "Execute disabled bit capability" Enabled in BIOS, I just don't have a PAE kernel |
| 16:43.36 | sickn3ss | should that cause some problems with NX ? |
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| 16:44.16 | pipeline | cdog69: so you don't have a load problem. You're not swapping, there's not contention for CPU time. That means that something obvious is broken: the stuff you're serving up just takes a *really long* time to serve up. |
| 16:44.40 | pipeline | cdog69: maybe you don't have enough I/O. Maybe not enough bandwidth. Maybe individual page requests just take a tremendous amount of CPU time. Hard to say. It's not a load problem, clearly. |
| 16:45.07 | pipeline | sickn3ss: like I said, I think NX depends upon PAE. With a non-pae page table I don't think there's room in the entry for an nx bit. |
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| 16:45.27 | pipeline | sickn3ss: I don't write kernel code for a living, so I can't say for sure. But that's how I THINK it works. |
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| 16:46.33 | sickn3ss | pipeline, ok one more simple question, I can see pae flag when I cat /proc/cpuinfo so that means my CPU supports it, so would getting a kernel with PAE harm my laptop ? even though I only use 2 GB ram ? |
| 16:46.52 | pipeline | sickn3ss: won't hurt a thing |
| 16:46.57 | sickn3ss | pipeline, thanks |
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| 16:47.31 | sickn3ss | pipeline, there is a kernel in the repo bigmem ? |
| 16:47.35 | sickn3ss | can I simply apt-get that ? |
| 16:47.51 | pipeline | sickn3ss: yep |
| 16:47.54 | cdog69 | pipeline: thanks for the info... we have plenty of I/O, plenty of Bandwidth, plenty of Memory... its on a dedicated server with 6Gb of RAM. Its on hosting 3 joomla websites (soon to be more). It's not taking an abscene amount of time for the pages to load... just longer than it should, especially from in my office, when the server is sitting right next to me |
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| 16:48.35 | pipeline | cdog69: make sure you have a dns server configured, could be something as dumb as long reverse DNS times |
| 16:48.42 | pipeline | cdog69: alternatively disable reverse dns in apache (google will help with that ) |
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| 16:49.24 | pipeline | cdog69: however, I'm guessing you're just doing something really silly in your PHP -- that load average, being over 1, indicates that the server is really chugging away. It's not overwhelmed, but it's working hard. IF you only have a handful of people hitting it, individual requests must be taking massive amounts of CPU time |
| 16:49.24 | kryl | does anybody use multiple bridge with xen and debian lenny there please ? |
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| 16:50.08 | karlpinc_ | !anyone |
| 16:50.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 16:50.55 | karlpinc_ | cdog69: Someone had this problem last night. Someone else suggested mysql mis-configuration. YMMV. |
| 16:51.07 | mkt- | !debian 6 |
| 16:51.29 | karlpinc_ | cdog69: First thing to do is instrument. Run vmstat. What resource is the bottleneck? |
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| 16:52.08 | karlpinc_ | cdog69: If none, it's a timeout issue. DNS or DB connections or some such. (Could be network, but nah.) |
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| 16:53.30 | stuckey | are there drivers in debian for intel gma hd graphics chips? |
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| 16:55.08 | valdyn | !gma |
| 16:55.10 | valdyn | !intel gma |
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| 16:55.36 | cdog69 | almost sounding like I need to run over to the joomla chatroom... the none joomla site I have loads quicker... maybe something in the joomla php code is messed up, maybe they have some troubleshooting ideas. Thanks again for the help all, may be back later! |
| 16:57.18 | stuckey | valdyn: it's intel-gfx |
| 16:57.34 | valdyn | stuckey: yea, i know what it is |
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| 16:58.19 | sickn3ss | pipeline, hey one question which is better to have a kernel with PAE or without ? |
| 16:58.24 | sickn3ss | I'm running with PAE now |
| 16:58.38 | valdyn | stuckey: all but gma 500 are suported |
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| 16:58.49 | slak | o k |
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| 16:59.09 | stuckey | valdyn: what about arrandale? |
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| 16:59.20 | slak | flash work not facebook then |
| 16:59.30 | slak | how? |
| 16:59.41 | DragonMaster | could someone give me some help on how to setup restrict user accounts to use only 1 ip and to also use so many descriptors (sockets) please |
| 16:59.42 | slak | farmville |
| 16:59.44 | stuckey | this is just called "GMA HD" -- the ones that are included on the i3, i5, and i7. |
| 17:00.43 | valdyn | stuckey: whatever is older than lenny cant be supported in lenny |
| 17:00.45 | babilen | huh? |
| 17:00.47 | stuckey | newer, you mean? |
| 17:00.53 | valdyn | stuckey: yea |
| 17:00.54 | babilen | most likely |
| 17:00.54 | stuckey | What about in sid? |
| 17:00.55 | marcriera | hi |
| 17:01.25 | valdyn | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:01.27 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-2; sid: 2:2.13.0-5; experimental: 2:2.13.901-2 |
| 17:02.05 | marcriera | I have a pam script from Quest software to autenticate against AD on Debian 5. But, debian never reaches this pam module , it justs asks for the password from the /etc/password . where I can change this preferences? |
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| 17:02.08 | valdyn | stuckey: look at the version numbers and see http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2010Q3.html |
| 17:02.28 | valdyn | "This release has been validated on following hardware: Intel® HD Graphics (Arrandale & Clarkdale)..." |
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| 17:03.08 | slak | permalc? |
| 17:03.24 | marcriera | slak, yes |
| 17:03.41 | marcriera | slak, who are you? |
| 17:04.14 | slak | cant tell |
| 17:04.17 | slak | umad |
| 17:04.28 | DragonMaster | thanks for the help i asked 3 times got ignored 3 times so much appreciated assholes |
| 17:04.52 | macrobat | :( |
| 17:04.56 | stuckey | valdyn: supported |
| 17:05.20 | valdyn | stuckey: i wonder if you might not need a newer kernel than the default 2.6.32 |
| 17:06.58 | stuckey | valdyn: 2.6.35 is what is listed on http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2010Q3.html , does that mean it needs it? |
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| 17:07.40 | valdyn | stuckey: nope |
| 17:09.18 | stuckey | okay so 2.13 is in sid, so I can install that via apt |
| 17:10.09 | valdyn | latest mesa is only in experimental, but that should not be needed |
| 17:10.33 | stuckey | what does mesa do? |
| 17:10.46 | valdyn | stuckey: opengl |
| 17:10.50 | stuckey | i just use this to watch h264 videos by the way -- it's going to be in a laptop. |
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| 17:11.17 | valdyn | stuckey: looks like you need mesa 7.9 then, from experimental |
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| 17:11.31 | valdyn | stuckey: or you should have it to reduce cpu load |
| 17:11.48 | stuckey | because that's what it needs to do hardware video decoding? |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | stuckey: hardware accelerateed post-processing |
| 17:12.40 | valdyn | stuckey: i have no idea if that makes a significant difference |
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| 17:12.57 | stuckey | okay -- don't know what that is. |
| 17:13.17 | valdyn | stuckey: i have no idea how players like mplayer etc support intel h.264 acceleration via libva |
| 17:13.59 | valdyn | stuckey: its what you do to movies after decoding -> putting it on the screen in certain ways, with deinterlacing or scaling or sharpening etc |
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| 17:15.18 | antonyclince | hello |
| 17:15.44 | antonyclince | i have problem installing panda3d in debian testing |
| 17:15.56 | antonyclince | can anyone helpme |
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| 17:18.16 | ubsafder | how what option can i use in the grub line to boot with a konsole only |
| 17:18.48 | sickn3ss | hey is it better to run with PAE or without PAE ? |
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| 17:19.05 | stew | sickn3ss: how much memory do you have? |
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| 17:19.22 | sickn3ss | stew, 2 GB, but I'm using PAE for the NX ... I'm on 32 bits |
| 17:19.48 | stew | sickn3ss: what is "the NX" and why would it need pae? |
| 17:20.12 | sickn3ss | stew, well some guys adviced me that NX is PAE dependent |
| 17:20.14 | sickn3ss | on 32 bits |
| 17:20.23 | stew | sickn3ss: you sholdn't need pae until you have 4gb, its a performance hit |
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| 17:21.14 | stew | sickn3ss: what do you mean by NX? |
| 17:21.22 | sickn3ss | stew, hardware DEP] |
| 17:22.01 | stew | i have no idea what that is |
| 17:22.55 | sickn3ss | stew, Data execution prevention |
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| 17:26.25 | slak | marcriera: you are joan yes? |
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| 17:27.24 | stew | sickn3ss: i'm not convinced that enabling PAE enables NX. stuff I'm reading says that you have to patch the kernel |
| 17:27.59 | sickn3ss | stew, well yea I have a Kernel with PAE enabled and NX also |
| 17:28.48 | stew | sickn3ss: in any case, you might find better help in ##kernel |
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| 17:29.26 | sickn3ss | thanks |
| 17:30.04 | stuckey | valdyn: doesn't "hardware decoding" mean that the actual data from the file is decoded on the hardware, not in the gpu -- thus it's more efficient. Right? |
| 17:30.11 | ubsafder | anyone for my grub option ? to boot without X |
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| 17:31.05 | hijam | fuck debian!!! |
| 17:31.09 | hijam | it sucks |
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| 17:33.30 | ubsafder | hijam: why are you upset ? |
| 17:33.39 | mbruins | he left |
| 17:34.15 | stew | its best not to feed trolls anyway |
| 17:34.23 | mbruins | agreed |
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| 17:34.55 | stew | ubsafder: you can setup one of yoru runlevels to not start x then pass that runlevel on the kernel command line |
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| 17:45.17 | jhutchins_lt | ubsafder: You can also boot to single user mode then selectively start whatever you need. |
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| 17:45.43 | jhutchins_lt | ubsafder: For some systems, if you disable the framebuffer at boot X won't load. |
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| 17:52.59 | cahoot | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.procmail.devel/124 ? |
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| 17:54.20 | delby | hi. i am running squeeze with gnome. is there a way to configure the panel menu bar from cmd? |
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| 17:56.14 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 17:57.04 | Dweezahr | evening |
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| 17:58.05 | convidado | What the php5 version on lenny? |
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| 17:58.37 | stew | convidado: see http://packages.debian.org/php5 |
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| 17:59.00 | convidado | And how can I force a version at command line? |
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| 17:59.12 | Dweezahr | use source, then you can choose |
| 17:59.24 | Dweezahr | debian is 5.2.6 |
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| 18:01.01 | convidado | I need downgrade php to 5.2, but the aptitude -t lenny install command do not works here |
| 18:01.34 | Dweezahr | what is happening then? |
| 18:01.36 | Dweezahr | what is the output? |
| 18:01.37 | stew | convidado: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy php5" and the output of your install command? |
| 18:02.19 | thewanderer1 | convidado: downgrading can only be done via "install php5/lenny" syntax, not "-t lenny install php5" |
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| 18:03.17 | stew | "install php5=version" should work as well |
| 18:04.36 | Dweezahr | I have a question about debian live |
| 18:04.45 | Dweezahr | I have a usb stick of 1GB |
| 18:04.58 | Dweezahr | and I am running short on disk space, the build is 70MB too large |
| 18:05.11 | Dweezahr | the command I ran was |
| 18:05.13 | Dweezahr | lb config --binary-image usb-hdd --distribution lenny --packages kde ant ant-optional openjdk-6-jdk xterm libgtk2.0-common libfuse-dev libfuse2 dmsetup |
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| 18:05.39 | Dweezahr | I need kde and jboss requirements, so all the packages, but maybe there is a smaller version of kde? |
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| 18:06.52 | thewanderer1 | Dweezahr: kdebase |
| 18:07.10 | convidado | stew: Yes, I can put here, but the thewanderer1's solution is working to downgrade, I'm testing |
| 18:07.16 | Dweezahr | will try that, I thought it was kde-core like on freebsd |
| 18:07.43 | Dweezahr | thanks |
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| 18:16.19 | pythoned | I want to install a game on debian. I marked the file run as executable but when I double click it or try to run in the terminal ./regnumonline the setup does not start. Why? |
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| 18:16.29 | pythoned | It is a native 64 linux client. |
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| 18:17.40 | convidado | thewanderer1: Thanks! Worked! The downgrade was sucessful! |
| 18:17.51 | convidado | bye |
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| 18:18.10 | babilen | pythoned: What happens? What kind of file is it? (file ./regnumonline) ... |
| 18:18.13 | thewanderer1 | pythoned: run it in console and see what it's missing... |
| 18:18.32 | thewanderer1 | (btw. Regnum Online is a nice game, indeed, it should work...) |
| 18:18.52 | pythoned | babilen, executable (application/x-executable) |
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| 18:19.22 | pythoned | thewanderer1, It just doesn't do nothing, no output...don't know why. |
| 18:19.56 | babilen | pythoned: So, what happens when you run it? Could you also paste the output of "ldd ./regnumonline" ? |
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| 18:20.41 | babilen | pythoned: It returns immediately and you have no output at all? |
| 18:20.59 | pythoned | babilen, Output to that command is : not a dynamic executable |
| 18:21.28 | pythoned | babilen, I tried to do ./regnumonline and it immediately returns with no output |
| 18:21.57 | babilen | hmm, one second please |
| 18:22.20 | pythoned | Sure, I'll wait. |
| 18:23.07 | babilen | ah, that download is a little too large for me to test now. (should have stayed@uni) |
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| 18:25.18 | sdk | Heyas all. I'm trying to move away from Symantec backup exec, but I'm experiencing a problem finding an alternative. The challenge is that we have a deeply ingrained Sharepoint server that I have to backup with granular file restore. I need suggestions from someone on a product or project that will backup a sharepoint install and be able to restore individual files. Any help? |
| 18:25.21 | babilen | any processes listed for "ps aux|grep -i regnum"? |
| 18:25.24 | sdk | Grr.. sorry for the long post. |
| 18:25.48 | babilen | no problem -- what is a sharepoint server? |
| 18:26.11 | sdk | babilen: A Microsoft product - basically a glorified database based CMS |
| 18:26.15 | pythoned | babilen, pythoned 10688 0.0 0.0 3300 760 pts/0 S+ 20:25 0:00 grep -r regnum |
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| 18:27.23 | sdk | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Microsoft_SharePoint |
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| 18:27.43 | babilen | pythoned: ok, so it is indeed not running at all. Could you run it and then run echo $? -- what is the number? |
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| 18:28.07 | sdk | I don't like it. It's a pig, a hassle to admin, and convoluted as hell, but it was here when I got here and it's entrenched. :-/ |
| 18:28.24 | babilen | sdk: What is so special about a sharepoint backup that you need a specifc program for that. And what does all this have to do with Debian? |
| 18:29.21 | Dis0 | Hey I want to install Hotot twitter client and on the website they say to add a launchpad ppa, isn't that ubuntu only? |
| 18:29.23 | pythoned | babilen, Unfortunately I didn't understood what exactly I need to do, I'm a beginner. |
| 18:29.35 | sdk | babilen: I'm running Debian servers and will be using one for the backup. It's less Debian specific and more generally trying to work to spread FLOSS where I can. |
| 18:29.46 | babilen | sdk: The best (enterprise w00t!) backup solutions I am aware of are bacula and amanda -- will they work? |
| 18:30.22 | babilen | pythoned: "./regnumonline ; echo $?" â give me the output |
| 18:30.31 | sdk | babilen: I have a call into Zamanda, but bacula is my first choice, but the documentation is less than thorough about its capabilities. |
| 18:30.51 | pythoned | babilen, Gives me the output $ |
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| 18:31.32 | stew | pythoned: what is this executable, where did you get it? |
| 18:32.04 | pythoned | stew, A game which has support for linux. I got it from regnum online official website. |
| 18:32.05 | babilen | stew: online game -- http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/ |
| 18:32.27 | stew | ahh, looks non-free |
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| 18:32.48 | sdk | I was secretly hoping that someone would have already done it and would answer 'Yes, it can be done'. :) No takers apparently. Sorry about the more or less OT. |
| 18:32.52 | pythoned | stew, It is non-free |
| 18:32.58 | babilen | sdk: Both have IRC support -- You might ask them about specific things. |
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| 18:33.41 | babilen | sdk: I can just ask again: What is so special about sharepoint that a complete (file based) backup does not suffice? |
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| 18:34.09 | jelly-hme | babilen: it can has database |
| 18:34.12 | sdk | babilen: sharepoint is a MSSql database. |
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| 18:34.55 | jelly-hme | sdk: isn't there a VSS provider for it? |
| 18:35.22 | sdk | jelly-hme: VSS? Lemme google. |
| 18:35.26 | jelly-hme | any half-decent backup app for windows has generic VSS support |
| 18:35.33 | babilen | sdk: http://www.zmanda.com/sharepoint-backup.html (you might have seen that already) |
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| 18:36.04 | jelly-hme | sdk: windows API for fs snapshots and app-specific snapshots as well |
| 18:36.49 | jordanm | jelly-hme: isn't that VSC, volumne shadow copy? |
| 18:36.51 | babilen | jelly-hme: Has that been ported to Linux/Debian ? |
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| 18:37.31 | jelly-hme | jordanm: I haven't seen anyone use "VSC" acronym, VSS is overwhelmingly used instead |
| 18:37.50 | jelly-hme | babilen: hell no |
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| 18:38.36 | jordanm | jelly-hme: oh, but we are referring to the same thing? |
| 18:38.41 | jelly-hme | jordanm: yeah |
| 18:38.54 | sdk | VSS is Volume Shadow Copy Service aka VSS |
| 18:39.01 | jordanm | babilen: it was my understanding that it just to work-around a window limitation of backing up currently open files |
| 18:39.02 | babilen | jelly-hme: How would you make use of it if you want to backup to a Debian server? |
| 18:39.53 | babilen | Sorry, I know near to nothing about Windows and Windows server technologies. |
| 18:40.07 | jordanm | I know more than I would like to know.... |
| 18:40.09 | jelly-hme | babilen: I'd use backup software that has windows agents capable of VSS. |
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| 18:41.29 | jordanm | babilen: if you are looking to backup windows -> linux, I have worked with acronis which is not bad. The windows client is exceptionally better than the one on linux (which requires a GUI for full-feature) |
| 18:41.49 | babilen | Ok, but if I understood sdk correctly he/she wants to backup to a Linux/Debian machine and can't therefore make use of MS specific software/APIs that have not (yet?) been ported to other OSs. I suggested looking into bacula and amanda and it seems as if amanda does indeed provide support for sharepoint backups. |
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| 18:42.28 | jelly-hme | babilen: "can't therefore make use of MS specific" <- wrong |
| 18:42.37 | sdk | babilen: on the nose good sir. |
| 18:42.38 | jordanm | I wouldn't see why thats a problem. you run the backup software locally on windows and just set the destination to an NFS share or something |
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| 18:42.57 | jelly-hme | babilen: typically you need a VSS capable agent on the client, server just collects data the agent provides |
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| 18:43.28 | jelly-hme | so you need to check if your software supports it |
| 18:44.09 | sdk | jordanm: can't do that, database. I'd need to have bleeding Symantec backup exec running, which defeats teh whole point of moving to Amanda or Bacula. |
| 18:44.32 | jelly-hme | sdk: er... is the backup exec for Debian? |
| 18:44.35 | thewanderer1 | doesn't the database have its own dump method? |
| 18:44.35 | jelly-hme | there* |
| 18:44.42 | thewanderer1 | like, MySQL has mysqlhotcopy |
| 18:44.45 | jordanm | well, mssql is something I don't have experience with |
| 18:44.51 | jordanm | idk how dumps are created |
| 18:45.00 | stuckey | Do I need a special version of mplayer to use the intel VA? |
| 18:45.16 | stuckey | I think for vdpau, there's a special package for mplayer with vdpau stuff. |
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| 18:45.45 | sdk | thewanderer1: No, not file by file. MS left that to their value added partners to build. |
| 18:46.16 | sdk | jelly-hme: No, I'm trying to avoid using Symantec. |
| 18:46.22 | jordanm | sdk: I would recommend asking ##windows |
| 18:46.27 | jordanm | sdk: why is that? |
| 18:47.41 | babilen | sdk: If I understood you correctly: You are looking for a backup system running on a Debian server that: 1. Enables you to ditch your symantec 2. Is able to backup sharepoint DBs and 3. Provides granular file restore. I think that Amanda can do all these things and I don't understand why we discuss Windows specific backup solutions. (Ask in ##windows for that, they might know that much better than we do) |
| 18:47.45 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: MS SQL itself has usual style dumps to file, but who knows what you need to do with the sharepoint embedded one to have a consistent copy |
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| 18:48.14 | ElDiabolo | After upgrading to squeeze/grub2 I get an "error: fd0 read error." after "Welcome to GRUB2!". The menu does however come up and the box boots. Any hints on what is happening there? The box does not have a floppy. |
| 18:48.27 | sdk | jordanm: only because I'd rather run FLOSS than proprietary. |
| 18:48.32 | Iridos | you have no floppy disk in the drive? |
| 18:48.33 | sdk | babilen: Point taken. |
| 18:48.40 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: remove fd0 entry from /boot/grub/device.map |
| 18:48.48 | jelly-hme | "there is no floppy drive at all" |
| 18:48.53 | thewanderer1 | then re-install grub |
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| 18:49.47 | babilen | sdk: Have you seen the Amanda link I gave you? Bacula (enterprise naturally) 4.0 seems to support it as well ... |
| 18:50.21 | sdk | babilen: I'm in contact with Amanda already and looking into Bacula. |
| 18:50.28 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, to my surprise there is no fd0 in /boot/grub/device.map |
| 18:50.33 | babilen | Great. |
| 18:50.37 | sdk | babilen: I appreciate your input. |
| 18:50.46 | jelly-hme | suspects a case of grub2 suckage |
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| 18:53.17 | sdk | Ok, headed to bacula's channel. Thanks all! |
| 18:53.25 | babilen | Good luck! |
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| 18:54.46 | convidado | Hello, I need install php5-ffmpeg here. But lenny version do not works. Then I'm trying install 0.6.0 version. But I'm receiving the error "ffmpeg headers not found". I have no ffmpeg-dev package here too |
| 18:55.04 | convidado | The error is while using "./configure" |
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| 18:57.38 | convidado | Finaly, found into libavcodec-dev |
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| 19:00.48 | stew | convidado: if the lenny version doesn't work, is there a bug filed about it? |
| 19:01.38 | jelly-hme | oh come on, ffmpeg is crippled in misc. ways in Debian because of patent absurdity |
| 19:02.39 | jelly-hme | !tell convidado about build-dep |
| 19:02.53 | convidado | stew |
| 19:03.17 | convidado | I discovered ffmpeg into debian is splitted in a lot of flies |
| 19:03.49 | convidado | I discovered a problem with libtool: if I update to testing or sid version, phpize don't works because a broken link. The upgrade should cause a dependency error. |
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| 19:05.48 | xand | you're not meant to install testing or unstable versions on lenny |
| 19:05.54 | xand | breakage is expected so.... |
| 19:06.44 | jhutchins_lt | It would be a lot smarter to figure out what's actually wrong with the lenny version on your system, since the lenny version works for most people and whatever is wrong is still likely to be wrong no matter what version you try. |
| 19:08.24 | stew | convidado: if the lenny version doesn't work, is there a bug filed about it? |
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| 19:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | From what I've seen it's very rare to find a package in lenny that just plain doesn't work. |
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| 19:10.26 | convidado | stew: I will fill a bug about the lenny version then |
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| 19:11.28 | jhutchins_lt | convidado: Wouldn't it be smarter to figure out why it "doesn't work" first? |
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| 19:12.10 | Geek-- | where can i see a list of supported wifi cards so i dont go out and waste my money |
| 19:12.44 | pipeline | Geek--: vendors bring out new products *CONSTANTLY*. Worse, they often name different cards with the same model name. |
| 19:12.59 | pipeline | Geek--: your best bet is either a.) buy a very expensive card that is known to work or b.) just buy something, try it, and see. |
| 19:13.07 | convidado | jhutchins_lt: Yes, I will try understood |
| 19:13.08 | pipeline | Geek--: you can rely on intel wireless working every time, but that ain't gonna be cheap. |
| 19:13.17 | Iridos | strange though, that bing to the router shows something like 11 Mbps when mii-tools says the negotiated speed is 100baseTx-FD |
| 19:13.25 | Geek-- | i dont wanna waste my money nor waste gas to find someting doesnt work |
| 19:13.28 | pipeline | Geek--: I've had pretty good luck buying things blindly off the bargain shelf :) |
| 19:13.30 | thewanderer1 | Geek--: http://wireless.kernel.org/ |
| 19:13.41 | ElDiabolo | Geek--, Which kernel version are you using? |
| 19:14.02 | pseubodot | I *really* like the new grub background and gdm background currently in Testing .. sweet. |
| 19:14.13 | thewanderer1 | Geek--: Intel and RaLink are good, Atheros is nice (used to be best...), Broadcom and Realtek suck |
| 19:14.27 | daniel__ | hi folks. i have a very big problem running a hp officejet 6500a on debian. i've already installed hplip 3.10.9, but it wouldnt find the printer. can anyone suggest the reason of my problem? (sorry for bad english by the way) |
| 19:14.38 | Iridos | you better do... as far as I know that's what squeeze will have for the next years while it's stable |
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| 19:14.57 | Geek-- | i have bcm4311 now which is gay so i bought the belkin f5d8073 which doesnt get seen nor does my dwa-125 |
| 19:15.06 | Geek-- | the dwa-125 is used on my windows desktop |
| 19:15.16 | stew | Geek--: you are going to use it with debian or ubuntu? |
| 19:15.25 | stew | Geek--: the list of supported cards would be different |
| 19:15.40 | MrFrood | daniel__: is your user in the printer group? |
| 19:16.03 | Vasistha | I installed a package, can't remember which-- perhaps it was laptop-mode-tools or acpi-support -- and now when I change the volume on my thinkpad t42, this volume bar appears in the middle of the screen. it's annoying and I would like to make it go away. any ideas? |
| 19:16.10 | Geek-- | i prefere debain :) |
| 19:16.18 | daniel__ | MrFrood, i ran hp-setup as root. have root to be in the group too? |
| 19:16.36 | daniel__ | MrFrood, i got this error-message: error: No device selected/specified or that supports this functionality. |
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| 19:17.20 | MrFrood | daniel__: you can (as root) add users to the group |
| 19:17.23 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: does the bar come from your desktop environment or tpb? |
| 19:17.44 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: desktop. I have tpb running and it's nice, not so invasive. |
| 19:17.58 | thewanderer1 | KDE or GNOME? |
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| 19:18.05 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: ah, I just discovered (by way of installing acpi-support) that that's what's causing it. KDE 3.5 |
| 19:18.07 | daniel__ | MrFrood, yes, but the printer is not even found... |
| 19:18.13 | Vasistha | erm - uninstalling, that is |
| 19:18.21 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: actually, you are changing 2 volumes :D |
| 19:18.23 | ElDiabolo | Geek--, Are you aware that there is a 2.6.32 backport for lenny. |
| 19:18.31 | daniel__ | MrFrood, i'll create a group named printer, give me a second ;) |
| 19:18.37 | MrFrood | daniel__: off the top of my head I think the command is something like "useradd -G groupname" - check the man page. |
| 19:18.53 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: you are changing hardware volume (ThinkPad is the only brand that supports this I think...) and KDE catches the keypresses and changes KMix volume |
| 19:18.54 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: uh... really?? |
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| 19:19.21 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: it's possible to change them independently if you think for a while and make up a trick :D |
| 19:19.56 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: hmm. would kde still catch it if I was sitting on a VT? |
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| 19:20.14 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: probably not... |
| 19:20.29 | thewanderer1 | but you can also mute KDE volume, then set HW volume and finally unmute KDE volume |
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| 19:20.57 | MrFrood | daniel__: the group should alread exist (or one with a similar name) |
| 19:21.07 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: indeed, you are right. Yeah, this is annoying. So I've gotta make it not send that trigger... only HW volume should be changed by the button |
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| 19:21.26 | daniel__ | MrFrood, sorry, i dont have such a group |
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| 19:21.27 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: just enter KMix preferences and disable the proper hotkeys |
| 19:21.35 | thewanderer1 | (Global hotkeys) |
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| 19:22.21 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: hmm. I see no such option. |
| 19:22.36 | SvenL-|2 | Back sorry. Did I send the message ? |
| 19:22.56 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: you should probably enter the mixer window and look in preferences |
| 19:23.12 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: ah, I found it: chmod a-x /etc/acpi/volupbtn.sh |
| 19:23.23 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: and similar for the others |
| 19:23.23 | ElDiabolo | daniel__, Why did you run hp-setup? Do you need the latest version? |
| 19:23.31 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: thanks very much for your help!! |
| 19:23.39 | thewanderer1 | Vasistha: heh, that's the crudest way of handling that, but use whatever works :D |
| 19:24.09 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, i compiled hplip myself, i need the latest version, if i trust google ;) |
| 19:24.15 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: yes, I know, but honestly... I don't want acpi to play a role here, I just want the hardware to do its thing. And it's nice that tpb can monitor it |
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| 19:24.39 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, as i say hp-setup i mean the program for installing the printer. its part of the hplip package. |
| 19:24.54 | ElDiabolo | daniel__, K, the my recommendation "stay in debian land" is useless. |
| 19:25.23 | ElDiabolo | Ah. |
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| 19:25.54 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, the version in the repos is too old. |
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| 19:27.19 | ElDiabolo | daniel__, There is a 3.10.5 backport. Did you check if there is anything useful in the cups log? |
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| 19:27.59 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, i need 3.10.9. ill check the logs... |
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| 19:29.06 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, nothing in cups log :( |
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| 19:35.41 | ElDiabolo | daniel__, did you try hp-setup with the printers IP on the command line? |
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| 19:36.06 | ElDiabolo | daniel__, or how is it connected? |
| 19:36.26 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, yes, and usb :) |
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| 19:37.11 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, but cups' webinterface knows the printer now, i'm on configuring it... hopefully, that will work now |
| 19:37.27 | ElDiabolo | gd lck :) |
| 19:37.56 | sclavvv | Good evening (in Germany) |
| 19:38.12 | daniel__ | sclavvv, schönen abend noch |
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| 19:39.02 | sclavvv | Danke, daniel__, Dir auch! |
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| 19:39.44 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, it works! |
| 19:40.00 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, im sooo happy. thank you for your help! |
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| 19:41.57 | ElDiabolo | daniel__, Your welcome, but I did not suggest anything that actually helped, did I :) |
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| 19:42.38 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, you held me away from crying by giving me hope ;) |
| 19:42.48 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, but only printing works, not scanning.. |
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| 19:43.17 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, i will check scanning tomorrow, its enough for today ;) |
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| 19:43.41 | ElDiabolo | daniel__, according to this https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/133570 scanning may not be supported yet. |
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| 19:44.41 | frikinz | daniel__: are you connected through ethernet or usb? |
| 19:45.09 | daniel__ | ElDiabolo, i read, scanning would run. |
| 19:45.26 | frikinz | daniel__: bought a printer yesterday and also 3.10.9 solved printing problems. But scanning /over the network/ is something else |
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| 19:45.48 | ElDiabolo | Any hints on why grub2 bothers me with a fd0: read error on a box without a floppy? |
| 19:45.52 | frikinz | ah usb |
| 19:46.04 | daniel__ | frikinz, through usb |
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| 19:46.44 | frikinz | hp has quite good linux suport for its printers, I'm impressed |
| 19:47.11 | daniel__ | frikinz, im afraik i have to leave now. |
| 19:47.37 | daniel__ | frikinz, ElDiabolo, thank you both for your help! good evening (in germany ;)) |
| 19:47.49 | frikinz | tchuss! |
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| 19:50.26 | Ben2 | Hello who can help me? i search the Nic for Networkcard Intel Pro/ 1000 MT Desktop |
| 19:51.24 | jordanm | e1000 or e1000e driver. may need backported kernel if running lenny for e1000e |
| 19:51.27 | jordanm | Ben2: lspci -nn |
| 19:52.03 | babilen | Ben2: Make that "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" |
| 19:55.47 | abrotman | -i net ? |
| 19:56.07 | stew | lspci -nn | grep 8086? |
| 19:56.23 | abrotman | show off |
| 19:56.33 | abrotman | though .. if it's an intel board, that will return quite a few |
| 19:56.36 | Iridos | I feel compelled to come up with even something else to grep for |
| 19:56.37 | stew | right |
| 19:57.14 | jelly-home | feels compelled to wait for the pci id |
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| 20:01.30 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 20:03.34 | Ben2 | that does not work linux hangs |
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| 20:04.01 | djura-san | rly? |
| 20:04.23 | Iridos | on running lspci? |
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| 20:05.04 | Ben2 | i use VirtualBox in version 4 on Windows 2008 with Debian 5 |
| 20:05.05 | Ben2 | no on "grep -i ethernet" |
| 20:06.04 | Iridos | that doesn't make any sense |
| 20:06.08 | abrotman | Ben2: lspci -nn .. see your network card? we only need that last line |
| 20:06.12 | abrotman | erm .. that line |
| 20:06.15 | jelly-home | Ben2: 1) Control-C will stop grep; 2) we meant lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet, not just grep by itself |
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| 20:07.14 | jelly-home | Ben2: can you tell us the [xxxx:xxxx] hexadecimal code for the lspci -nn output line denoting your network card? |
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| 20:10.33 | e-mode | does anyone know in which Debian package (if there is) I can find the GNU R statistical package "nortest". apt-cache search wasnt helpful, google neither so far. thanks |
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| 20:11.06 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/nortest |
| 20:11.10 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 20:11.14 | Ben2 | with lspci -nn i see the networkcard "00:03.0 Ethernet Controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:100e] (rev 02)" |
| 20:11.18 | jelly-home | judd: file nortest --release sid |
| 20:11.22 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 20:11.42 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 8086:100e |
| 20:11.43 | judd | [8086:100e] is '82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:100e |
| 20:12.12 | jhutchins_lt | You'll need firmware for that. |
| 20:12.17 | jelly-home | orly |
| 20:12.24 | e-mode | oh, that doesnt bode well for me... gonna download from the cran website. stupid me didnt think about searching in the packages contents. thanks |
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| 20:13.16 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Yeah, we knocked out our lug server when we upgraded to the stripped kernel. |
| 20:13.25 | jelly-home | e-mode: could it be called something else? Case sensitivity? |
| 20:13.45 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: is lenny stripped like that? |
| 20:14.24 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I think the lenny kernel may be partially stripped, with the goal to have squeeze completely stripped. |
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| 20:14.35 | jelly-home | le sigh |
| 20:14.44 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Besides which, we have a real mess of versioning on that box from when lenny was sid. |
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| 20:16.06 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: 2.6.30-2 |
| 20:16.18 | Ben2 | ok this must be right but how install this now ? with modprobe e1000 and ifconfig eth0 up its not going |
| 20:16.21 | jhutchins_lt | I should probably bump that to 32. |
| 20:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 20:17.10 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: thatsa notta lenny kernel! |
| 20:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | Nope. |
| 20:17.30 | jhutchins_lt | We have a little bit of everything on there. |
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| 20:17.55 | jelly-home | in any case, installing firmware-linux isn't that hard |
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| 20:18.03 | e-mode | jelly-home: no, that is the right name (lowercase too)... I found a cran2deb repository though that has it.. so it looks like no proper debian package for the moment. |
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| 20:18.35 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Not hard as long as you haven't rebooted the remote host to the new kerenel _before_ you figured out you needed it. |
| 20:19.00 | jelly-home | instead of, say, when the power goes out |
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| 20:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | Ben2: Did you figure out what to do there? |
| 20:21.43 | e7th04sh | Hello, I have reinstalled debian with minimum of software, and i add packages as i need them. What would you suggest for burning audio cd's from mp3? |
| 20:21.53 | e7th04sh | I'd prefer something in gnome, or for nautlius. |
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| 20:22.27 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: There are a dozen or more options. |
| 20:22.35 | e7th04sh | jhutchins_lt: what would be your favorite? |
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| 20:22.42 | jhutchins_lt | k3b |
| 20:22.52 | e7th04sh | my preferences are those lightweight things |
| 20:22.58 | e7th04sh | is k3b lightweight or bloated? |
| 20:23.10 | djura-san | jhutchins_lt: wodim and icedax? |
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| 20:23.22 | djura-san | sry jhutchins_lt that was for e7th04sh |
| 20:23.25 | djura-san | :( |
| 20:23.42 | e7th04sh | djura-san: are those things resource conservative or power hungry? :> |
| 20:23.42 | jhutchins_lt | I confess that I've never figured out burning from the console. |
| 20:24.01 | e7th04sh | i don't want to burn from console, i rarely would prefer that to gui |
| 20:24.08 | djura-san | e7th04sh: not at all :> |
| 20:24.10 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: wodim or growisofs (for DVDs) are quite easy to handle and work great |
| 20:24.25 | e7th04sh | djura-san: wait, that was a A or B question xD my english asucks |
| 20:25.10 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I may have had a bad drive last time I tried. It was on a server and I didn't want to do a whole GUI install just to burn one disk. |
| 20:25.12 | e7th04sh | wow, four options already.. so which of those would work with nautlius and minimize cpu and memory usage? |
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| 20:25.37 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Turns out that for some reason the system will no longer boot off of the internal drive, even though it can read from it. |
| 20:25.40 | wissem | hii all |
| 20:25.41 | djura-san | e7th04sh: oh wait, you need audio cd. Im not sure about that one. Wodim is great for burning but i forgot what to use for audio cd creating from terminal. It's been ages that i did it |
| 20:25.54 | wissem | i m having troubles with vlc |
| 20:26.04 | djura-san | e7th04sh: did you tried brasero? It's gnome app and it's okay i guess :) |
| 20:26.17 | e7th04sh | djura-san: i specifically want something for gnome, preferably with nautilus |
| 20:26.18 | e7th04sh | hmm |
| 20:26.21 | babilen | e7th04sh: I am not sure what nautilus uses behind the scenes, but these are alternative programs. I typically use growisofs when I burn DVDs (which I do most of the time these days if at all) |
| 20:26.25 | wissem | it doesnt support video only sound allthought i have all video codec installed |
| 20:26.28 | e7th04sh | i think i had brasero pre reinstall, it rings a bell |
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| 20:27.06 | babilen | e7th04sh: And yeah, brasero and k3b are the most frequently used GUI programs for burning witches |
| 20:27.17 | babilen | err, cds/dvds |
| 20:27.17 | e7th04sh | witches you say? :) |
| 20:27.37 | babilen | newt! |
| 20:27.37 | Ben2 | how can i install my network card ? |
| 20:28.08 | babilen | Ben2: We asked you about the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" a while ago -- please paste it in here |
| 20:28.27 | djura-san | e7th04sh: well you can use script to reate audio cd from mp3/ogg files. There are nautilus scripts for that. THen you just use nautilus cd burner and voila. Pure nautilus (minus apps used to create audio files from mp3/ogg/wma etc.) |
| 20:28.56 | e7th04sh | i'll check out brasero, if for any reason it won't do the job, i'll be back to ask further querstions |
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| 20:29.07 | e7th04sh | do i need anything else than just brasero package? |
| 20:29.33 | Ben2 | babilen: i have it "<Ben2>with lspci -nn i see the networkcard "00:03.0 Ethernet Controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:100e] (rev 02)"" |
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| 20:30.41 | djura-san | e7th04sh: just brasero. Let me check out recommended packages, maybe you need something else besides brasero |
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| 20:31.18 | Ben2 | the NIC number is now e1000 but with modprobe e1000 i have no effect |
| 20:31.23 | ElDiabolo | wissem, What kinds of files did you try? |
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| 20:32.13 | djura-san | e7th04sh: maybe gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad packages too... I guess they are used for audio conversion :) |
| 20:32.22 | wissem | ElDiabolo, all of them .avi , .mp4 etc |
| 20:32.27 | wissem | :/ |
| 20:33.39 | stew | Ben2: does "ifconfig -a" list eth0? |
| 20:34.22 | ElDiabolo | wissem, Do totem or mplayer work? |
| 20:34.39 | wissem | yes ElDiabolo it works fine |
| 20:35.02 | wissem | i did to re install vlc many times though |
| 20:35.07 | Ben2 | now it list eth2 an lo can i rename this ? |
| 20:35.13 | wissem | stiil nothing :( |
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| 20:36.38 | ElDiabolo | wissem, did you uninstall with purge? |
| 20:36.59 | wissem | no |
| 20:37.11 | xyan | im trying to embed a multiline comment using eyeD3, i prepared a file for the comment and add it using -c "$(cat file)".. however eyeD3 fails telling me UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character u'\ufeff' in position 0: ordinal not in range(256) |
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| 20:37.22 | xyan | any tips how to get it done? |
| 20:37.22 | Bop | Ben2, u can leave it as eth2 , there's no problem with that |
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| 20:38.34 | ElDiabolo | wissem, Reinstalling does not work very good on linux, apt-get remove --purge <package> will however at least remove all previous configuration. |
| 20:38.50 | babilen | !tell Ben2 -about 70 |
| 20:39.18 | babilen | Ben2: You could edit the file mentioned in the factoid dpkg just told you about or delete it altogether if you deem that the best solution |
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| 20:40.43 | Ben2 | thanks its going |
| 20:40.47 | babilen | great |
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| 20:42.15 | Ben2 | now i have a long nightwork before me |
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| 20:42.53 | babilen | passes a mug of extra strong cappuccino to Ben2 |
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| 20:43.33 | Ben2 | babilen: thank you |
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| 20:44.25 | wissem | it didnt work ElDiabolo :( |
| 20:45.45 | ElDiabolo | wissem, Never purge a database, it will remove all data (just a hint). |
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| 20:46.37 | phogg | wissem: could just be a locked audio device or an improper audio out method. Have you checked these things? |
| 20:46.40 | daemonkeeper | Although MySQL asks explicitly through debconf if I'm not entirely wrong. |
| 20:46.46 | daemonkeeper | Don't know for others. |
| 20:48.48 | stew | yes, "db_get mysql-server-5.1/postrm_remove_databases" is in the postrm |
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| 20:49.50 | stew | though it looks like postgres does drop the cluster upon purge |
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| 20:50.33 | daemonkeeper | Debian should provide a more homogenoud behaviour for such things in a long term sight. |
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| 20:54.58 | peterrooney | daemonkeeper: I suspect it's up to the individual db package maintainers; it may be a question of debconf priority |
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| 20:55.20 | peterrooney | though having similar questions be at the same priority would be a bonus |
| 20:55.31 | BluRay | hello |
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| 20:56.10 | BluRay | i have one question.. how to install debian with only boot partition to one HDD, and root directory to some else? |
| 20:56.12 | eldowan | is there a straight forward way of launching a daemon as a specific user? |
| 20:56.26 | daemonkeeper | peterrooney: No, I mean the maintainers or the QA team respectively should homogenize behaviour of similar packages, like asking the same questions for the same process. |
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| 20:57.40 | ElDiabolo | wissem, You could try starting vlc from the command line. It might give a resonable error message to stderr. |
| 20:58.29 | stew | eldowan: have a look at start-stop-daemon |
| 20:58.29 | daemonkeeper | Indeed I fixed a bug in lighttpd's postinst script not failing if another webserver is already running, where I was thinking whether I should provide this patch for Apache and nginx as well (for example). I think such things would make sense, although I', no Debian maintainer and do not know about Debian policies/QA. |
| 20:58.39 | eldowan | stew: Thanks |
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| 21:00.58 | stew | daemonkeeper: i'm not sure I agree that an init script should exit with success if it fails to start the service |
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| 21:02.09 | daemonkeeper | stew: It should not fail the entire installation process just because a configuration issue (as every web server is shipped to listen on port 80 by default). Well, it was not my bug report though - I just fixed it. |
| 21:02.27 | stew | daemonkeeper: it should fail the installation process |
| 21:02.52 | frikinz | but should an install start it? |
| 21:03.29 | daemonkeeper | I think that is Debian policy to start daemons in postinst. dh_installinit does it at least. |
| 21:03.33 | stew | frikinz: yes |
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| 21:04.13 | stew | daemonkeeper: i don't find that in policy |
| 21:04.24 | frikinz | # Set to yes to start saned |
| 21:04.24 | frikinz | RUN=no |
| 21:04.28 | lilibox | hi |
| 21:04.36 | lilibox | please some stupid noob question |
| 21:04.43 | lilibox | i wrong installed virtualbox |
| 21:04.48 | daemonkeeper | stew: I'm unsure about that, but I guess it will be conform to that as that is what dh(1) does by default. |
| 21:04.50 | lilibox | and wrong removed it too |
| 21:05.17 | lilibox | how to tell debian to try remove rest of files kept in system form such unlucky uninstalled app? |
| 21:05.28 | ElDiabolo | lilibox, What do you mean by wrong and what problems is this causing. |
| 21:06.09 | ElDiabolo | lilibox, apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 21:06.44 | stew | daemonkeeper: if its in there, i'm failing to find it. i'm pretty sure its not in there, at least not in chapter 9 |
| 21:07.09 | lilibox | ElDiabolo> thank you |
| 21:07.13 | daemonkeeper | stew: Refer to dh_inistallinit which hooks itself into postinst to start-up the daemon. Again, I'm no Debian maintainer, so I'm unsure about the underlying policy. |
| 21:07.28 | lilibox | well, i pasted something to your quere |
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| 21:07.47 | stew | daemonkeeper: it doesn't matter what dh_installinit does |
| 21:08.10 | stew | daemonkeeper: am telling you that I'm reading the underlying policy |
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| 21:08.24 | moka_ | t |
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| 21:08.59 | coreyman | If I have a user thats in a group that owns a file, shouldnt that user be able to overwrite it? |
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| 21:10.57 | peterrooney | coreyman: coreyman if that group has write permissions, sure |
| 21:11.14 | coreyman | peterrooney it only works if i set the file to 775 |
| 21:11.25 | daemonkeeper | stew: I'm reading as well. Seems as if the policy is unclear here. It neither says "yes, fire it up" or "no, don't do it". Neither in chapter 4/5. |
| 21:11.26 | coreyman | how do i give the group write permissions |
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| 21:12.31 | dkr | coreyman: to make a file writable by the group that owns it: chmod g+w file |
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| 21:13.40 | coreyman | ok so that is 775 |
| 21:13.51 | coreyman | is there any reason i shouldnt make a file 775 for security issues? |
| 21:14.00 | stew | coreyman: depending on how they are going to overwrite the file (if they are going to delete and replace) they'd need write permissions on the parent directory |
| 21:14.02 | coreyman | it is viewable over the web |
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| 21:14.16 | dkr | well, making it executable may be overkill |
| 21:14.18 | stew | coreyman: is this file an executable? like a script or a binary executable? |
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| 21:14.24 | coreyman | .php |
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| 21:14.40 | Corey | I forget offhand if those need the execute bit set. |
| 21:14.42 | stew | coreyman: do users run this script from the command line? |
| 21:14.47 | coreyman | no |
| 21:14.52 | stew | coreyman: then it doesn't need +x |
| 21:14.57 | coreyman | ok |
| 21:15.28 | Denis | Hey. What's going on? Spammers may choose nicks that look similar to those of staffers, but staffers will have a freenode staff cloak in whois and probably appear in ir clients server or status window. |
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| 21:15.54 | Corey | Denis: Apropos of nothing? :-) |
| 21:15.57 | Denis | ibot/jbot logs for 2011 |
| 21:16.19 | stew | Denis: do you mean this for #debian? or #freenode? |
| 21:16.39 | stew | Denis: are you receiving spam from someone in this channel? |
| 21:16.55 | Denis | Corey: The difference in milliseconds at which animations fire. |
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| 21:16.59 | Denis | stew: One form of spam, popular recently, claims that freenode will require sasl to connect. |
| 21:17.10 | stew | Denis: what does this have to with #debian? |
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| 21:17.34 | coreyman | I set permissions on the parent folder to 775 but I can't chmod anything inside it yet the user is in the group that owns the folder, what am I doing wrong? |
| 21:17.39 | Denis | stew: Dont trust spam to be uninstalled ata later date. |
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| 21:18.12 | jeff_hann | coreyman, maybe you want chmod -R ? |
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| 21:18.20 | dkr | coreyman: you need write permission on the file already to be able to chmod it. do the chmod as the user that owns it |
| 21:18.40 | coreyman | ok okay. |
| 21:18.42 | dkr | or with sudo/root privs |
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| 21:20.06 | coreyman | ill be back later! |
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| 21:20.22 | eshat | Hi all, is there a KDE App for checking smart status of a HDD like gnome-disk-utility does ? |
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| 21:21.57 | daemonkeeper | stew: While not explicit, section describes 9.3.3 implicitly how to deal with initscripts in maintainer scripts. Hence it should be transitively ok how dh_installinit handles it. |
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| 21:22.49 | eshat | Or is there a better way to check S.M.A.R.T. status of a HDD then using smartctl ? |
| 21:23.02 | stew | daemonkeeper: yes, i've read it a bunch. i'm just saying that it is not policy that daemons be started in postinst. policy is silent on it |
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| 21:23.33 | daemonkeeper | stew: I agree. |
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| 21:26.56 | jeff_hann | eshat, what;s wrong with smartctl? |
| 21:27.03 | jeff_hann | *what's |
| 21:27.34 | eshat | I need some more graphical feedback, like this: http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/blog-entry-20091216/smart1.png |
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| 21:28.38 | jeff_hann | eshat, gsmartcontrol |
| 21:29.11 | eshat | jeff_hann: I will check that... thanks |
| 21:29.14 | jeff_hann | or smartnotifier |
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| 21:30.16 | eshat | jeff_hann: gsmartctrl is just perfect, thank you |
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| 21:34.52 | eshat | what is the command again for "safely" delete data on a hd ? |
| 21:34.58 | thewanderer1 | eshat: shred |
| 21:35.04 | eshat | thewanderer1: that was fast, thanks |
| 21:35.14 | eshat | I couldn't find a way to remeber this name |
| 21:35.23 | eshat | maybe shredder from ninja trutles :D |
| 21:35.30 | eshat | *turtels |
| 21:35.40 | frikinz | eshat: safely delete => hammer |
| 21:36.00 | eshat | frikinz: safely delete AND sell it to someone :D |
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| 21:36.30 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 21:36.31 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 21:36.47 | frikinz | that's at least the policy a military company I worked with does.. and they know what they do.. |
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| 21:37.18 | tharkun | Gentlemen i get this email with an image attached to it is on tiff format, but clawsmail will not render it at all. It doesn't even recognize that there is an attachment. Any ideas on how to debug this? |
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| 21:38.16 | tharkun | BTW mutt recognizes the attachment and launches the correct program to view it |
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| 21:54.17 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.06 | tharkun | A nice histeresis curve will avoid that :) |
| 21:56.10 | frikinz | depends on the size of the hammer :) |
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| 22:03.55 | debianhobo | I have serious issues. |
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| 22:06.43 | debianhobo | Hi inchworm |
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| 22:09.14 | bitplane | Hi, I use Ubuntu but I've been messing with my /etc/misc/magic file. in there it says to use the debian bug report tool to submit any changes. I've added several file types to do with 3D models (from my archive of test files for Irrlicht Engine loaders). |
| 22:09.30 | bitplane | The changes are here: http://pastebin.com/uHhskAhS ... how would I go about submitting this back to Debian? |
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| 22:12.14 | debianhobo | All these people and nobody talks? |
| 22:12.26 | debianhobo | Doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. |
| 22:12.33 | phogg | debianhobo: idlers, lots of them |
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| 22:12.47 | phogg | debianhobo: also, /help me |
| 22:12.53 | debianhobo | Hi phogg cool spelling. |
| 22:13.13 | phogg | "lots of us," rather |
| 22:13.42 | macrobat | debianhobo: ask a debian-related question. maybe someone knows the answer |
| 22:13.43 | debianhobo | I got tired of Ubuntu and everyone said to get back to the source of it all. |
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| 22:14.26 | phogg | debianhobo: I presume that it all went perfectly and you're just here to tell the tale of how Debian is working just right. |
| 22:14.30 | macrobat | bitplane: report ubuntu bugs to ubuntu :D |
| 22:15.13 | debianhobo | Ok macrobat I shall. Last night I netinstalled lenny 5.0.7 and it wouldn't let me mount my home since it is ext4. I then upgraded to squeeze to get a more recent kernel which meant my home was able to be accessed. Now I can't get it to associate home with home so I don't have to use home in / . |
| 22:15.17 | phogg | macrobat: read carefully: he wants to submit something to upsteam |
| 22:15.25 | debianhobo | How do I get it to associate? |
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| 22:15.40 | karsten-nr | bitplane: I'd think that if you submitted those through Ubuntu's BTS, Debian would eventually find out about it. Otherwise, you could contact the Debian devs directly. You could also submit a patch directly to the Debian BTS: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ . See how to report a bug: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 22:15.58 | nsadmin | bitplane: on the other hand you -could- install debian if you have extra drives or space laying around, and test to see if the bug shows up |
| 22:16.17 | phogg | debianhobo: what do you mean "associate home with home"? Is the partition not referenced correctly in fstab? |
| 22:16.19 | karsten-nr | bitplane: I'd start w/ Ubuntu though. |
| 22:16.43 | macrobat | mount homepartitionname /home |
| 22:16.50 | debianhobo | I don't think so. |
| 22:16.55 | jelly-home | debianhobo: this channel is for tech support; for chit-chat, feel free to join #debian-offtopic (but it's quiet there as well, at the moment) |
| 22:16.58 | bitplane | nsadmin, I guess I should move to Debian.. don't like this whole Unity thing that is an attack on Gnome |
| 22:17.12 | bitplane | so I'll be a Debian user eventually |
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| 22:17.23 | karsten-nr | bitplane: What nsadmin said. You can do a virtual install if nothing else. Libmagic doesn't have a lot of deps (libc, zlib1g). |
| 22:17.24 | phogg | bitplane: no time like the present |
| 22:17.33 | debianhobo | How do I have it do that automatically macrobat? |
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| 22:17.36 | jelly-home | debianhobo: please pastebin the contents of your /etc/fstab file, and output of "blkid" command |
| 22:17.39 | karsten-nr | bitplane: But that's the best part! |
| 22:17.59 | karsten-nr | is still waiting for Ubuntu to come to its senses and make WindowMaker the One True Desktop. |
| 22:18.09 | xixor | howdy folks. I want to run a backup script daily. Is running the backup script as root using crontab -e still recommended? or should I create a new /etc/cron.daily file? |
| 22:18.17 | nsadmin | if you really want to report it to debian, that would be the quickest way to go... running ubuntu and having some bug in that, that wouldn't be accepted as overly valid... and the most positive reason, is they're two -different- oses (even tho they do have things in common) |
| 22:18.43 | nsadmin | you don't have to move away, you can have both |
| 22:18.44 | jelly-home | xixor: both work, so use whatever you're comfortable with |
| 22:18.45 | karsten-nr | xixor: I'd add a file to /etc/cron.daily. More obvious what's happening. |
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| 22:19.09 | jelly-home | karsten-nr: when exactly does /etc/cron.daily/ run? |
| 22:19.19 | debianhobo | http://pastebin.com/VY9Hc4PK jelly-home |
| 22:19.21 | xixor | so, if I wanted to add something to cron.daily, do you need to register it or anything? Or does it cron automatically go through that directory and run all the scripts? |
| 22:19.28 | nsadmin | daily things! |
| 22:19.55 | jelly-home | debianhobo: ok, waiting for blkid |
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| 22:20.49 | debianhobo | http://pastebin.com/CF8Jkwfm |
| 22:21.08 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: check /etc/crontab |
| 22:21.32 | jelly-home | debianhobo: is /dev/sda7 your /home partition? |
| 22:21.33 | nsadmin | xixor: ultimately it's your machine... just go ahead and do it... but remember that debian packaging won't take it into account... what you -could- do is (and this is probably overkill but) package the one script and install the package |
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| 22:21.41 | debianhobo | jelly-home: yes sir |
| 22:21.42 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: I don't know if it's bog-standard, but the daily / hourly / weekly / monthly stuff runs from there. Mine kicks at 6:47 am. |
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| 22:22.18 | xixor | nsadmin: that sounds like a slick way of doing it. I don't have much experience making .deb packages though, would be good too learn though, sounds like a handy way to do things like that |
| 22:22.25 | phogg | xixor: the scripts probably need to be executable |
| 22:22.40 | karsten-nr | xixor: Any script in that directory will be run via the "run-parts" program. RTFM for details. |
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| 22:23.12 | jelly-home | debianhobo: if it is, add to fstab a line like the one for your root partition, but put in correcy UUID=... for home, put /home as the mount point instead of /, ext4 as filesystem type, and replace 1 in the last, "pass" column with 2 |
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| 22:24.01 | jelly-home | karsten-nr: how do you tell it when exqactly to run? with user crontab, xixor can explicitely specify the time |
| 22:24.46 | nsadmin | well cron.daily is run at 6:30 am, isn't it? |
| 22:24.53 | debianhobo | please give me the example jelly-home |
| 22:24.53 | phogg | jelly-home: it comes down to whether you really care or whether you want it run at a particular time different from the other daily jobs |
| 22:24.57 | xixor | phogg: ok, good to know |
| 22:25.03 | debianhobo | I'm not doing so well jelly-home. |
| 22:25.16 | phogg | nsadmin: 6:25 for me, check your crontab |
| 22:25.21 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 22:25.25 | nsadmin | could be |
| 22:25.43 | jelly-home | debianhobo: edit your fstab file, make a second copy of the line for your / filesystem, then apply the changes I suggested |
| 22:26.01 | xixor | So, I am backing up the mysql database using automysqlbackup to an external hard drive on the system, then I encrypt it with gpg and copy it offsite to another server, then dropbox mirrors that file to a few other systems. The last thing I need to do is to copy the GPG key. Any more suggestions for being safe and secure? |
| 22:26.22 | debianhobo | I'm feeling real dumb right about now. Could you please give me the line? |
| 22:26.28 | nsadmin | I need to check my machine for basic stability... starting with a ram che |
| 22:26.30 | nsadmin | ck |
| 22:26.37 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: /etc/cron.d/ |
| 22:26.53 | jelly-home | karsten-nr: good, now tell that to xixor ;-) |
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| 22:27.02 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: Allows specifying the time for a given script. That directory is sort of the equivalent of /etc/crontab, but broken out by files. |
| 22:27.08 | karsten-nr | xixor: ^^ |
| 22:27.10 | karsten-nr | :) |
| 22:27.26 | debianhobo | please one problem at a time I'm getting confused. |
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| 22:27.45 | jelly-home | debianhobo: I won't give you the ready-made answer, sorry. I can tell you what each column in that file represents and which changes to make. |
| 22:27.56 | xixor | ok, thanks |
| 22:27.57 | nsadmin | debianhobo: well problems do tend to get discussed here :) |
| 22:28.02 | karsten-nr | xixor: If you're encrypting against a public key, that's a non-issue. That's one of the huge wins of PKI. You don't need to secure the key. Just drop it anywhere. |
| 22:28.24 | nsadmin | , versions memtest86 |
| 22:28.25 | judd | Package memtest86 on i386 -- etch: 3.2-1.1; lenny: 3.4-2; sid: 3.5-2.2; squeeze: 3.5-2.2 |
| 22:28.30 | karsten-nr | xixor: You'll need the *PRIVATE* key should you ever need to recover your system, so I'd have a few copies of that stashed judiciously in places you can recover it from readily. |
| 22:28.40 | debianhobo | I can get that much help out of the ubuntu channel jelly-home LOL |
| 22:29.07 | jelly-home | debianhobo: sorry, I only help those that try to learn something in the process |
| 22:29.09 | phogg | debianhobo: if you won't work to help yourself you won't get much help anywhere |
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| 22:29.45 | xixor | karsten-nr: I am not sure what I am doing to be honest, I am fairly new to using gnupg, reading up on it today. I created a key with --gen-key, then encrypted it using --encrypt |
| 22:29.59 | nsadmin | debianhobo, in #ubuntu they'll help you work on your ubuntu install... they don't want to have to be responsible for knowing debian there |
| 22:30.04 | xixor | karsten-nr: even if it is encrypted against a public key, don't you need the private key to decrypt it? |
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| 22:30.32 | nsadmin | on top of which, they do tend to hold your hand more |
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| 22:31.16 | debianhobo | #/dev/sda7 /home ext4 errors-remount-ro 0 1 |
| 22:31.16 | debianhobo | UUID="a39b7348-7015-4b77-b947-cf770946b49d" TYPE="ext4" /home ext4 err-rs=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 22:31.16 | debianhobo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.33 | debianhobo | fuck this is frustrating |
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| 22:31.52 | jelly-home | all the lines starting with # character are comments and can be ignored, you don't need to add any of those |
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| 22:32.26 | debianhobo | I added those to be pretty I know the # means comment out ignore something like that. |
| 22:32.26 | jelly-home | debianhobo: get rid of TYPE="ext4", there's none of that stuff in other lines. |
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| 22:33.10 | debianhobo | so is it correct once that;'s removed? |
| 22:33.30 | jelly-home | debianhobo: I don't see any doublequotes on line 6 or 8 either |
| 22:33.31 | xixor | karsten-nr: ah, I am hoping that if I need to recover the system, I can use the local backup, which is unencrypted :) the remote is in case the location burns down |
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| 22:34.14 | jelly-home | debianhobo: then you have a typo (errors=remount-ro), and you want to replace the last number, 1, with 2 |
| 22:34.23 | jelly-home | that's pretty much it |
| 22:34.55 | debianhobo | so now I save and reboot? |
| 22:34.59 | jelly-home | yes |
| 22:35.02 | karsten-nr | xixor: Well, the point with PKI and encryption is that you're going to have to make availability of the private key part of your recovery plan. |
| 22:35.11 | debianhobo | I'll brb |
| 22:35.18 | jelly-home | if the machine boots ;-) |
| 22:35.26 | karsten-nr | xixor: Alternately, you could use symmetric encryption, that is: a password that's shared by both the encrypting and decrypting process. |
| 22:35.38 | xixor | karsten-nr: yes, I am just trying to work out how I can back the keys up |
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| 22:36.08 | karsten-nr | xixor: And catching up w/ scrollback: yes, if you encrypt against a public key, *ONLY* the associated private key can decrypt that message. |
| 22:36.10 | ElDiabolo | Does anybody have an idea why in squeeze my evolution asks for a charset at evry startup. |
| 22:36.31 | karsten-nr | xixor: If I send you mail, say, encrypted against your public key, *I* can't read my own message to you. |
| 22:36.48 | xixor | karsten-nr: Hm... symmetric encryption seems like a good idea. http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2006/07/pgp-symmetric-encryption/ I didn't know gpg did that |
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| 22:37.01 | karsten-nr | xixor: (some GPG mail protocols call for self-encrypting to allow this to happen, the practice is the subject of much debate among cryptogeeks). |
| 22:37.32 | karsten-nr | xixor: That's its default operational mode. Symmetric encryption is sort of a one-off. |
| 22:38.24 | xixor | karsten-nr: so you mean by self-encrypting, you mean that the sender has a way of decrypting the message as well? |
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| 22:38.49 | karsten-nr | xixor: Erm: public key is default, I mean. I'd recommend public rather than symmetric. There's nothing on the server to cmopromise the backups that way. |
| 22:39.07 | frikinz | unstable packages (which contain rc bug) need to wait 2 days to be moved to testing ? |
| 22:39.09 | happyhobo | Thanks jelly-home you helped me but I did some of it myself and now I feel like I accomplished something. |
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| 22:39.25 | frikinz | contained* |
| 22:39.32 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 22:39.33 | xixor | karsten-nr: I am thinking that I will do a remote backup of the private key, but encrypt the private key with symmetric encryption |
| 22:39.59 | happyhobo | Ok now I have repository issues. I need the repository for multimedia and the one to get gnome shell and the one to get java. |
| 22:40.00 | jordanm | frikinz: assuming you mean "contains a fix for an RC bug", it needs to be unblocked and the time to migration depends on the priority |
| 22:41.00 | karsten-nr | xixor: You can encrypt a message against multiple keys, so that any single key can decrypt, yes. Another option is to require some number of the keys (say 2 of 3 or 4 of 10) to be able to decrypt a file. All sorts of hacks. |
| 22:41.06 | frikinz | ah yes I see, low 10d; high 2d. but what's the prio again? For example sl-modem corrected on 30th december is low prio so we need to wait 6 days still? WHAAT? ;) |
| 22:41.09 | jelly-home | happyhobo: /msg dpkg install java |
| 22:41.12 | frikinz | jordanm: ^^ |
| 22:41.46 | xixor | karsten-nr: so, with multiple keys, are the keys applied sequentially? like it encrypts against one key, then encrypts the resulting bitstream against the next key, and so forth? I ask only for interests sake, and you seem knowledgable |
| 22:42.09 | karsten-nr | xixor: I would keep the private key (password protected) on removable media in several secured locations. Locked safe or filing cabinet at the office, also remote office, and multiple systems. If this is work / business / organization, document the policy and procedure. |
| 22:42.16 | frikinz | prepares his bet to win the prize |
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| 22:42.26 | jordanm | frikinz: you don't have to wait. backport it or get your testing-unstable mix going |
| 22:42.29 | happyhobo | That didn't work jelly-home |
| 22:42.52 | frikinz | jordanm: just joking, i'm on sid since long and enjoying |
| 22:42.57 | karsten-nr | xixor: There's a book on the subject ;-) |
| 22:43.04 | karsten-nr | xixor: No, they're not sequential. |
| 22:43.09 | jelly-home | happyhobo: you didn't have a message from dpkg, the bot, perhaps in a separate tab? |
| 22:43.19 | jordanm | frikinz: have fun after the freeze is over :) |
| 22:43.40 | happyhobo | dhcppc0:/home/shane# /msg dpkg install java |
| 22:43.40 | happyhobo | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 22:43.53 | xixor | karsten-nr: I tried to read applied cryptography once... it was beyond my math skills |
| 22:43.58 | stew | happyhobo: it was meant as a command to type into irc, not into a shell |
| 22:44.21 | frikinz | jordanm: remind me again what will happen? I always forget. things are now stuck in experimental? |
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| 22:44.51 | karsten-nr | xixor: No, Zimmerman's book. |
| 22:44.57 | happyhobo | I figured that out stew Thanks. |
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| 22:45.05 | xixor | karsten-nr: ok, I will google for the book, thanks for the info |
| 22:45.16 | happyhobo | Okay I can't get it to install sun-java6-plugin |
| 22:45.21 | karsten-nr | xixor: http://www.amazon.com/Official-PGP-Users-Guide/dp/0262740176 |
| 22:45.22 | happyhobo | I need a non free repository |
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| 22:46.23 | discozohan | Hello! Can anyone say, why i am unable to create any file in "/sys" folder ? |
| 22:46.37 | karsten-nr | xixor: That's for the original PGP. GnuPG differs in some command and argument aspects, as well as some of the internals (I tracked down a few bugs between the two at one point). |
| 22:46.44 | happyhobo | jelly-home: |
| 22:46.53 | karsten-nr | discozohan: It's a virtual filesystem maintained by the kernel. |
| 22:46.55 | happyhobo | I followed the message but it didn';t work |
| 22:47.01 | f8l | It's not meant to contain normal files. |
| 22:47.18 | karsten-nr | discozohan: You can create files there by modifying kernel source, building, and running your own kernel. |
| 22:47.25 | frikinz | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg70301.html explains it a bit |
| 22:47.26 | happyhobo | sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:47.27 | karsten-nr | discozohan: /proc is the same way. |
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| 22:48.09 | jelly-home | happyhobo: I'm going to bed, it's 23:47 here and I'll turn to a gremlin if I have too much irc after midnight. Hopefully someone will step in |
| 22:48.10 | happyhobo | I have to have that plugin to play yahoo games, the generic free one won;t work. |
| 22:48.30 | happyhobo | Night jelly-home Thanks |
| 22:48.34 | discozohan | karsten-nr: hmm ... So i can't get, why people write tutorials about increasing mdadm cache size with example "echo 8192 > /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size" |
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| 22:48.40 | jelly-home | happyhobo: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 22:48.55 | nsgn | man i'm a moron. i can't figure out how to get a package from testing/unstable repos when i've installed stable |
| 22:49.02 | jelly-home | happyhobo: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 22:49.04 | Bert_2 | Hi, what key am I supposed to press in the debian installer when it gives the location list and my location is not in it ? |
| 22:49.07 | nsgn | i know i need to add it to the sources file but i cant get the right address/syntax |
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| 22:49.13 | streuner | nsgn: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:49.20 | karsten-nr | discozohan: You can modify values of existing files. You cannot create new files. |
| 22:49.33 | karsten-nr | discozohan: Generally you have to be root to write to files in /proc or /sys |
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| 22:50.00 | discozohan | karsten-nr: ok, i got it! thanks |
| 22:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | happyhobo: Are those the yahoo games that give hackers full access to your system? The ones they used to collect all those email passwords? |
| 22:50.06 | karsten-nr | discozohan: If that file doesn't exist and you expect it to be there, you probably haven't loaded the proper driver. |
| 22:50.22 | karsten-nr | discozohan: software RAID? |
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| 22:50.50 | happyhobo | probably jhutchins_lt lol |
| 22:51.19 | discozohan | karsten-nr: yes, mdadm. It seems i use new ( 3.x ) version, but example are related to 2.x version |
| 22:53.11 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mdadmin |
| 22:53.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mdadmin' was found in i386. |
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| 22:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mdadm |
| 22:53.27 | judd | Package mdadm on i386 -- etch: 2.5.6-9; etch-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo.1; lenny: 2.6.7.2-3; sid: 3.1.4-1+8efb9d1; squeeze: 3.1.4-1+8efb9d1 |
| 22:54.15 | jhutchins_lt | discozohan: So you're using a version that isn't officially released in debian yet, and you're supprized that the online advice is out of date? |
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| 22:55.43 | discozohan | jhutchins_lt: i had no idea that debian 6.0 uses absolutely new version -.- i've just realised that |
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| 22:56.07 | jhutchins_lt | discozohan: Lenny's still 2.6. |
| 22:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, yes, 6.0=testing. |
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| 22:56.49 | jordanm | which is what we would expect someone to install who is looking for filesystem redundancy... |
| 22:56.59 | discozohan | jhutchins_lt: its going to be released soon ;) i hope |
| 22:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | discozohan: We do recommend reading the release notes, they often mention these things. Not always. |
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| 23:00.34 | jhutchins_lt | There is third party documentation out there that hasn't been updated since sarge. |
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| 23:02.58 | Amacidia | Hey everyone. Anyone around with experience setting up debian on a Xserve G4 cluster node? I curious as to how people are going about installing Debian on these machines as they have no cd/dvdrom. |
| 23:03.40 | daemonkeeper | I don't know these machines, but there are several ways to install, including netinstal through PXE or any other bootable media. |
| 23:03.45 | daemonkeeper | +l |
| 23:04.25 | jordanm | Amacidia: I would expect PAE/FAI/preseeding |
| 23:04.37 | jordanm | Amacidia: they have a serial console I assume? |
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| 23:05.34 | daemonkeeper | Perhaps Amacidia could tell, what he has. |
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| 23:05.45 | SexyKen | Hey ya'll - Can anyone shed some light on how to troubleshoot this: [ 0.875512] PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:8000@d0000000 for 0000:09:01.0 |
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| 23:06.06 | Bauer | how do I find the needed package name, to run GUI apps based on ncurses? |
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| 23:06.30 | daemonkeeper | To run or to compile? |
| 23:06.34 | Bauer | to run |
| 23:06.38 | jordanm | SexyKen: looks like a hardware problem or kernel bug. also I am guessing there is more information than that |
| 23:06.58 | Bauer | daemonkeeper cmds such as make menuconfig - not sure if thats compiling.. (its source code app) |
| 23:07.13 | daemonkeeper | That requires some compilation, yes. |
| 23:07.31 | jordanm | Bauer: ncurses-dev |
| 23:07.36 | Bauer | aha, so which packages do I need? and more importantly, how to figure it out myself? |
| 23:07.36 | Amacidia | jordanm: Yup they do. What we tried last night was to hook up a firewire dvdrom but we couldn't figure out how to boot the installer via open firmware. |
| 23:07.40 | jordanm | !tell Bauer about kernel-package |
| 23:07.51 | daemonkeeper | Exactly. Though you should use Debian's way to build a kernel. |
| 23:07.54 | jordanm | Bauer: if you know the missing file you can use apt-file |
| 23:08.29 | SexyKen | Hmm, jordanm - that's all I see regarding that id...lspci shows it as my raid controller: 09:01.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec AAC-RAID (rev 02) |
| 23:08.34 | daemonkeeper | Amacidia: As suggeted, tell what you have, not what you don't have. |
| 23:08.37 | Bauer | jordanm: apt-get is only good if you know the exact package.. readme said I need ncurses, but I had no way of knowing the exact package name... |
| 23:08.53 | daemonkeeper | Amacidia: Although you can install Debian through serial port as well. |
| 23:09.04 | jordanm | Bauer: did I say apt-get? |
| 23:09.30 | Bauer | jordanm: my bad :) hmm I dont have apt-file, why? |
| 23:09.39 | daemonkeeper | ... you didn't install it |
| 23:09.40 | jordanm | Bauer: because you haven't installed it yet :) |
| 23:09.56 | jordanm | !tell Bauer about a-s |
| 23:10.06 | Bauer | daemonkeeper I would have guessted it comes built in like apt-get :) |
| 23:10.06 | jordanm | !tell Bauer about as |
| 23:10.09 | Amacidia | daemonkeeper: Xserve G4 cluster node, IDE drive, built-in nic and serial port |
| 23:10.45 | jordanm | Amacidia: there is instructions for PXE boot in the install manual |
| 23:10.49 | daemonkeeper | Amacidia: So you could install through PXE perhaps. That is probably the most easy way. |
| 23:10.56 | SexyKen | So does that error mean it can't allocate SYSTEM memory to my raid controller? |
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| 23:11.18 | Bauer | thanks guys |
| 23:11.24 | jordanm | SexyKen: it means you have a hardware problem or kernel bug |
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| 23:11.33 | daemonkeeper | Bauer: Read the error messages carefully. You will see gcc pointing out some missing files (no such file or directory). You can look after those with apt-file. |
| 23:11.49 | T-Co | I can't find anything for this: "make: egcs: Command not found" |
| 23:11.59 | SexyKen | jordanm: Interesting...I just installed from a netcd... |
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| 23:13.12 | Amacidia | Thanks for the advice everyone regarding debian/xserve. I'll try PXE installing. |
| 23:13.18 | jordanm | SexyKen: the kernel is like 10+ mil lines of code. there will always be bugs |
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| 23:15.37 | SexyKen | jordanm: Hrm...I dont want to sound like an idiot - but I haven't messed with kernels in 5 years. I get the same error on 4 CentOS machines with the same hardware setup. I'm assuming this could be the reason for my raid performance is 4mb/sec write... |
| 23:17.24 | daemonkeeper | jordanm: You are perhaps not very up to date with that estimate ,) |
| 23:17.52 | daemonkeeper | I think we're close to 15 million by now. |
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| 23:18.50 | daemonkeeper | Ok, http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-Linux-2-6-36-1103009.html?page=6 I missed roughly a million |
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| 23:19.23 | SexyKen | So - maybe I should find an old kernel? |
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| 23:19.27 | jordanm | SexyKen: we have the same upstream kernel as centos. centos's is *much* more heavily modified though |
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| 23:19.57 | antizeus | well. |
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| 23:20.04 | jordanm | SexyKen: what version of debian are you getting that on? |
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| 23:20.44 | jordanm | centos 4 is like a 2.4.x kernel. stable debian is 2.6.x |
| 23:21.45 | jelly-home | jordanm: 2.6.9 |
| 23:21.48 | SexyKen | jordanm: I'm running Debian 5, kernel is 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP |
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| 23:22.25 | jordanm | jelly-home: ah, guess I am thinking of centos 3 |
| 23:22.43 | daemonkeeper | Hadn't Centos 5 2.6.18? |
| 23:22.55 | jordanm | yes, same version as etch |
| 23:22.56 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: that's RHEL 5 (and CentOS 5.x) |
| 23:23.31 | jordanm | SexyKen: are you sure the raid card is not the problem? |
| 23:23.32 | jelly-home | and RHEL6 has .32, yay |
| 23:24.10 | jordanm | coincidence that is the version squeeze will release with? |
| 23:24.12 | SexyKen | jordanm: Well - I'd imagine that it's not...it's the same issue on 5 machines (that's 5 different raid card), and 2 different OS's (CentOS 5.5 and Debian 5.0) |
| 23:24.20 | jelly-home | their kernels are far away from vanilla though, and have lots of newer features and drivers |
| 23:25.13 | SexyKen | I just checked the messages and dmesg logs on all of them - and they all apparently didn't allocate the memory to that same IO (which is the same on each machine). |
| 23:25.19 | jordanm | SexyKen: you are saying that 5 *different* raid cards all have a memory allocation failure in the driver? |
| 23:25.26 | jordanm | SexyKen: all 5 of them use the same driver? |
| 23:25.44 | SexyKen | All 5 of the RAID cards are the same. AOC-LPZCR2 |
| 23:26.22 | SexyKen | They're all aacraid I'd imagine. |
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| 23:26.54 | jordanm | says they support RH 3 and 4... I hope they mean RHEL 3 and 4 |
| 23:27.15 | SexyKen | It's based on Adaptec 4000SAS |
| 23:27.25 | SexyKen | And that claims it supports RHEL5 |
| 23:27.49 | daemonkeeper | hehe, Red Hat 3 would be somewhat old to date. |
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| 23:29.53 | SexyKen | I'm looking at the drivers and it seems they only deliver in .rpm even the source ? |
| 23:30.19 | daemonkeeper | You may try to extract tehm or use alien. |
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| 23:30.41 | jordanm | SexyKen: its common for hardware vendors to only support RHEL |
| 23:30.50 | jordanm | SexyKen: and software vendors for that matter |
| 23:30.52 | tensorpudding | if it's a driver, claiming to support a specific version of Red Hat, and only available in .rpm, it's probable that it won't work with Debian |
| 23:30.55 | tensorpudding | even if you use alien |
| 23:31.07 | SexyKen | It's the kernel module source... |
| 23:31.17 | daemonkeeper | That's really bad. |
| 23:31.21 | tensorpudding | they put source in an rpm? |
| 23:31.24 | SexyKen | Caution: The source code is provided on an "as is" basis for building and installing the drivers on unsupported versions of Linux. |
| 23:31.44 | tensorpudding | well, if it's source it might well be tied to a specific kernel |
| 23:31.50 | jordanm | SexyKen: it sounds like the driver exits, it just has issues. what diver is it using? |
| 23:32.18 | daemonkeeper | Chances are you won't be able to build a working kernel module out of a package provided for RHEL 3/4. |
| 23:32.34 | daemonkeeper | More than that, I bet. |
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| 23:32.45 | SexyKen | http://download.adaptec.com/raid/aac/linux/aacraid-dkms-1.1.5-2442.tgz |
| 23:32.53 | SexyKen | Comes with 2 rpm's inside. |
| 23:33.07 | jordanm | if its using dkms its definately not targetting anything old |
| 23:33.28 | jordanm | !dks |
| 23:33.30 | jordanm | !dkms |
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| 23:34.11 | SexyKen | Hmm...it seems to be using that driver: Adaptec aacraid driver 1.1-5[2461]-ms That's from /var/log/messages |
| 23:34.13 | jordanm | SexyKen: anyways, dkms would be the reason its just code. its a way of easily rebuilding kernel modules when changing kernels |
| 23:34.21 | jordanm | SexyKen: lspci -k |
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| 23:35.57 | SexyKen | 09:01.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec AAC-RAID (rev 02), Kernel driver in use: aacraid, Kernel modules: aacraid |
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| 23:37.10 | jordanm | SexyKen: probably the same driver as the rpm. contributed upstream |
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| 23:37.33 | daemonkeeper | Adaptec is known to have rather good Linux support, usually. |
| 23:37.56 | SexyKen | So this would mean that the RAID card is simply ... not supported? |
| 23:38.22 | SexyKen | By the aacraid driver that both centos and debian ship with. |
| 23:38.22 | daemonkeeper | Perhaps just your kernel is too old. If it is upstream, you may try to upgrade. |
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| 23:38.49 | SexyKen | I was running 2.6.18 on CentOS and 2.6.26 on Debian. |
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| 23:38.59 | daemonkeeper | Well, we're close to 2.6.37 now. |
| 23:39.35 | SexyKen | Hmm - has to be compiled? Or there's a deb? |
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| 23:39.45 | daemonkeeper | There is backport for 2.6.32 |
| 23:40.33 | daemonkeeper | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6-686 (or whatever arch you are on) |
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| 23:41.15 | daemonkeeper | If that's not recent enough, you may give the upstream kernel a try. Nonetheless upgrade to 2.6.32 first, to avoid udev problems. |
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| 23:42.38 | SexyKen | Installing now...we'll see shortly :-) |
| 23:44.48 | SexyKen | I wonder if it's simply that the kernels are too new. |
| 23:44.59 | daemonkeeper | ... old? |
| 23:45.16 | SexyKen | Well - what if the aacraid module code is too old? |
| 23:46.14 | daemonkeeper | The module seems to be within the vanilla kernel tree. |
| 23:46.59 | daemonkeeper | So there may have been some development, perhaps merged from Adaptec into more recent versions to support your device. |
| 23:47.03 | zeitsofa | hello - did anyone knows something about disabling antispoof for xen VM's. i can't find something in my config files this activates the antispoofing iptables-rules. |
| 23:47.48 | jordanm | !tell zeitsofa about iptables |
| 23:48.51 | zeitsofa | jordanm: the problem isn't iptables. the problem are: if a vm comes up it will create a rule. and i don't like this. |
| 23:49.27 | daemonkeeper | zeitsofa: Set antispoof=0 in your network script. |
| 23:49.41 | jordanm | daemonkeeper: what? |
| 23:49.50 | SexyKen | Well I think the error may have very well disappeared...darn, still horrible write speeds tho. |
| 23:50.12 | jordanm | oh, its specific to xen |
| 23:50.28 | jordanm | SexyKen: what kind of raid? |
| 23:50.32 | daemonkeeper | jordanm: Xen provides spoof protection (if activated) from domU's for some network scripts that attach the virtual interface to the host system. |
| 23:50.50 | jordanm | daemonkeeper: thanks |
| 23:50.58 | daemonkeeper | But I see, it is explained to zeitsofa right now in ##xen as well. |
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| 23:51.14 | SexyKen | Actually - error is still there. Just different: [ 0.765332] pci 0000:09:01.0: BAR 6: can't allocate mem resource [0xd0000000-0xcfffffff] |
| 23:51.20 | SexyKen | RAID1 |
| 23:51.52 | jordanm | thats the only error? how are you testing write speed? |
| 23:52.18 | jhutchins_lt | SexyKen: That kind of error is pretty common and innocuous, not a Sign of Certain Doom. |
| 23:52.26 | SexyKen | Well - dd and iostat mainly |
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| 23:52.46 | SexyKen | I have an old QNAP nas device that cost 200 that's getting better write speed that this thing. |
| 23:53.01 | SexyKen | 50mb/sec for the QNAP, 4mb/sec for this LPZCR2 |
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| 23:54.57 | jordanm | SexyKen: I would see if the manufacturer has anything to say |
| 23:55.16 | SexyKen | jordanm: I wish they did. They seem like...idiots. |
| 23:55.26 | SexyKen | I can't imagine 5 RAID cards ALL being bad. |
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| 23:55.47 | daemonkeeper | Well, as RAID 5 is. |
| 23:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | raid5 or raid1? |
| 23:56.15 | daemonkeeper | RAID 5 |
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| 23:56.25 | jhutchins_lt | SexyKen: Or are you doing raid1 with raid5 cards? |
| 23:56.52 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: are there really "raid5 only" cards somewhere? |
| 23:56.52 | jhutchins_lt | SexyKen: Actually, if you're using real raid controllers, mdadmin has nothing to do with it, your system should see a single device presented by the card. |
| 23:56.55 | SexyKen | I'm running RAID 1 (mirroring...) with a RAID card that supports RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 |
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| 23:56.59 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: 1, see scrollback |
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| 23:57.15 | jordanm | 5MB/s is crap with any level |
| 23:57.29 | jordanm | especially if they are SAS |
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| 23:58.06 | SexyKen | Yup, 15k RPM SAS drives. |
| 23:58.16 | jelly-home | 5MB/s was crap in 2000! |
| 23:58.17 | jhutchins_lt | So these aren't actual raid controllers then, they're just multi-port cards. |
| 23:58.17 | SexyKen | The HOSTRaid does 70mb/sec ffs |
| 23:58.28 | SexyKen | They're actually ZERO PORT cards. |
| 23:58.53 | jhutchins_lt | No processor, no ram. |
| 23:59.10 | SexyKen | Actually...uhm....600Mhz, and 256MB memory. |
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