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| 00:04.04 | froggyman | how many charge/discharge cycles does it take for debian to report an estimated battery life? |
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| 00:04.49 | jordanm | would probably depend on the power management daemon.. but I would say 0 |
| 00:05.04 | jordanm | it probably calculates it based on the rate that its draining |
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| 00:05.44 | thewanderer1 | froggyman: Debian doesn't estimate battery life. programs do... for instance Intel PowerTop... and this it does based on ACPI rates |
| 00:06.14 | froggyman | thewanderer1, isn't something like that come installed? |
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| 00:06.34 | thewanderer1 | froggyman: there are many tools... GNOME has its own, KDE has different stuff |
| 00:06.50 | thewanderer1 | and PowerTop, by far one of the best, is CLI |
| 00:07.13 | froggyman | I'm running Gnome, and have a little battery charge monitor on the top panel |
| 00:07.29 | thewanderer1 | I think GNOME power applet bases its indications on earlier cycles |
| 00:08.00 | thewanderer1 | after 1 cycle you should have a rough estimate, but at least 3 varied cycles should help you produce useful results, it seems |
| 00:08.17 | thewanderer1 | at any case, it's not as accurate as one might wish anyway |
| 00:08.26 | thewanderer1 | (s/at/in/) |
| 00:09.05 | froggyman | hmm... my power has cycled competely 4 times already and I still don't have anything |
| 00:09.18 | froggyman | I was thinking that it would after the first one or two |
| 00:09.33 | thewanderer1 | try powertop |
| 00:09.38 | thewanderer1 | it should tell you sth useful... |
| 00:10.01 | froggyman | would aptitude install powertop install it? |
| 00:10.11 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 00:10.33 | raboof | powertop is very useful, but doesn't give you battery life estimations, does it? |
| 00:10.39 | thewanderer1 | it does |
| 00:11.09 | thewanderer1 | hey, what exactly does "reboot" command do? |
| 00:11.37 | thewanderer1 | it signals the init or what? |
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| 00:13.17 | raboof | thewanderer1: the manpage says it invokes 'shutdown', and the shutdown manpage tells you it does its job by signalling init |
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| 00:13.50 | thewanderer1 | raboof: thanks, I was wondering why init didn't have permissions to shutdown my sytem cleanly :P |
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| 00:14.04 | thewanderer1 | (or rather why root didn't have, when issuing reboot) |
| 00:14.17 | ex-parrot | hi all, is there any way to check /when/ a package was installed on a machine? |
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| 00:15.11 | thewanderer1 | ex-parrot: try /var/log/apt/history.log* and extract info from there |
| 00:15.18 | ex-parrot | lovely, thanks thewanderer1 |
| 00:15.20 | peterS | thewanderer1: well, you can override this, with the -f flag. If the init system is having trouble shutting down your system, that'll do it. you do lose the clean shutdown aspect that way, so you'll have to do some sort of journal replay and such |
| 00:15.31 | raboof | ex-parrot: not really reliable, but you could look at the timestamps for /var/cache/apt/archives too |
| 00:15.48 | thewanderer1 | raboof: one `apt-get clean` will make that vain :D |
| 00:15.54 | raboof | true |
| 00:15.55 | ex-parrot | raboof: I tried that already, the timestamps aren't related to when the package was installed |
| 00:16.02 | ex-parrot | because the files in there have timestamps prior to this box existing :) |
| 00:16.07 | raboof | heh |
| 00:16.17 | peterS | ex-parrot: with 'ls -lc' they will be. but in any case I prefer /var/log/dpkg.log for this stuff |
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| 00:16.39 | ex-parrot | peterS: alright I'll have a look there too. thanks |
| 00:16.42 | raboof | yeah that's better in any case ;) |
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| 00:18.57 | ex-parrot | peterS: dpkg.log seems to get rotated more aggresively by default, the apt logs had what I wanted but dpkg.log didn't |
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| 00:19.04 | thewanderer1 | hm, what should init scripts have access to? /var/run, /var/tmp, /var/log ? CAP_KILL? |
| 00:19.39 | thewanderer1 | I'm basically sandboxing /sbin/init... |
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| 00:23.25 | peterS | thewanderer1: who knows what an init script will want to use by default. Many of them will use stuff from /lib/init. many will run binaries from /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, binaries which use files from all over the filesystem. Most read files in /etc/default, and many will need to read files elsewhere in /etc, and outside /etc |
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| 00:24.32 | thewanderer1 | peterS: thanks - the binaries will be governed by their own rules, so I only have to worry about init itself it seems |
| 00:24.47 | peterS | thewanderer1: well, if you label the binaries, you may as well label their init scripts too |
| 00:25.13 | thewanderer1 | looks like I have to "label" the scripts although I'm not technically "labelling" anything |
| 00:25.20 | thewanderer1 | (!SELinux) |
| 00:25.22 | peterS | ...unless shell scripts can't be labeled the way elf binaries can. I don't know much about selinux (and its competitors), really |
| 00:26.10 | thewanderer1 | hm looks like I'm going to have to iterate through about a hundred of init scripts and write policies for them, how fun :) |
| 00:27.18 | thewanderer1 | hm... init gets signalled by what? /dev/initctl? |
| 00:27.33 | ex-parrot | thanks all |
| 00:27.35 | peterS | yeah I think so |
| 00:27.36 | ex-parrot | has work to do |
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| 00:30.05 | p3rror | hello |
| 00:30.23 | p3rror | when i run alsamixer i got |
| 00:30.41 | p3rror | this error message "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:34.44 | mactimes | Hi. Is there an option to force update-grub to use the uuid instead of the /dev/sdxy format in the menu.lst? |
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| 00:41.46 | thewanderer1 | mactimes: this should be adjustable: look for kopt= in menu.lst |
| 00:42.00 | thewanderer1 | (it's commented out and should stay as such) |
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| 00:43.10 | mactimes | thewanderer1, Yeah, I just did that. But it only works for the kernel parameter. How do I set uuid the-id-goes-here for the root (hd0,0) parameter? |
| 00:43.26 | thewanderer1 | mactimes: /boot/grub/device.map |
| 00:43.45 | mactimes | thewanderer1, I'll check that. Thanks. |
| 00:44.56 | mactimes | thewanderer1, Hummm. Not exactly what I was looking for. But thanks, I'll give it a try in another parameter here. |
| 00:45.10 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea what you were looking for, then :P |
| 00:45.39 | mactimes | thewanderer1, I'll pastebin the config I'm looking for. Just a sec. |
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| 00:48.37 | koskoz | what is the command to find where a package is installed ? |
| 00:48.45 | thewanderer1 | "where"? |
| 00:48.46 | peterS | where a package is installed? what do you mean? |
| 00:48.54 | peterS | maybe you mean dpkg -L packagename ? |
| 00:49.05 | johntramp | hi. I have a new debian lenny install and am getting a "mount: Stale NFS file handle" error when trying to mount one of my old drives. I haven't used nfs before with this drive |
| 00:49.24 | mactimes | thewanderer1, http://pastebin.ca/2033791 |
| 00:49.27 | koskoz | yes peterS, thanks |
| 00:49.32 | johntramp | it is ext4 if that makes any difference |
| 00:49.46 | mactimes | thewanderer1, There is a line with several <<<<<<< where I wrote down what I'm looking for. |
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| 00:50.13 | thewanderer1 | mactimes: and what makes you think GRUB supports that? :) |
| 00:50.22 | thewanderer1 | (at least GRUB 0.9*) |
| 00:50.53 | mactimes | thewanderer1, What makes me think grub supports that is the fact that I've been using that for some time by now, but always have to manually adjust it. |
| 00:51.08 | thewanderer1 | mactimes: GRUB2 supports this, GRUB1 does not |
| 00:51.25 | mactimes | thewanderer1, Man, than you gotta argue that with my grub1 installation. |
| 00:51.27 | peterS | yeah and we know you're using GRUB 1 because it's "menu.lst" rather than "grub.cfg" |
| 00:52.25 | mactimes | thewanderer1, I'm using that and it works. I just wanted update-grub to automatically perform it too. But if there is no option to do that, I don't mind doing it manually whenever it's necessary. |
| 00:53.18 | thewanderer1 | well, I know of no way to make GRUB1 select partitions based on UUID instead of mappings |
| 00:53.45 | mactimes | thewanderer1, Try that on a VM or any spare machine you have there. You'll see it works. |
| 00:53.53 | peterS | thewanderer1: he says he's gotten it to work - just a matter of telling update-grub to use it. and that's the rub. if update-grub doesn't support this feature, then it doesn't support this feature |
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| 00:54.26 | mactimes | peterS, Thanks. I couldn't express myself better than that. |
| 00:54.43 | thewanderer1 | well, patching update-grub seems the way to go |
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| 00:55.24 | peterS | mactimes: yeah, /usr/sbin/update-grub is in shell, it's pretty readable. grep -i uuid /usr/sbin/update-grub gets no hits, so ... that probably means what you'd think it means |
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| 00:57.48 | thewanderer1 | I didn't even notice when the uuid patch made it to Debian O.o |
| 00:58.11 | peterS | mactimes: what you're looking for is the references to grub_root_device in that script. there don't seem to be any conditionals around printing "root ..." to that file |
| 00:59.02 | mactimes | peterS, Yeah. I just took a look at that now and couldn't find it. |
| 01:00.41 | mactimes | peterS, I guess I'll keep doing it manually. It's not that often I have to do it, so it's not that painful. Just wanted to automate that. Thank you for your time and support. |
| 01:00.50 | mactimes | thewanderer1, Thank you too. |
| 01:01.39 | cahoot | seems ubuntu has used uuids since quite a few years (with grub1) look at their update-grub? |
| 01:01.49 | roylaprattep | ubuntu suck. |
| 01:01.55 | cahoot | doh |
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| 01:02.36 | Maikl27 | which repo I need add to sources list to I can install tracepath? |
| 01:02.39 | mactimes | cahoot, You're right. Good tip. I have another machine runnning several OS's and I downgraded from grub2 to grub2 and that works perfectly. I'll take a look at that. Thank you. =) |
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| 01:14.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 01:14.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to use incron to identify when a file is deleted off the samba shares |
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| 01:30.48 | mactimes | peterS, The difference really lies in the update-grub script. I just copied the ubuntu's version into root's home directory and ran it, adjusting the parameters on menu.lst to use the uuid, just like in the ubuntu version and it is just perfect now. Thank you very much for all the support and time. =) |
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| 01:32.18 | xixor | yo, is upgrading from stable to testing a.) possible and b.) a good idea? |
| 01:32.21 | peterS | mactimes: cool, glad it works. you might use 'dpkg-divert /usr/sbin/update-grub' to make sure your newly imported version doesn't get overwritten by apt / dpkg in the future. |
| 01:33.12 | mactimes | peterS, Sure will do. Thank you once more! |
| 01:33.18 | peterS | np |
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| 01:39.52 | xk | how to disable snd / soundcore from loading up unnecessarily? |
| 01:40.04 | wolfric | nvm i had to add sudo |
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| 01:41.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | but i dont know what i want it do once it finds it, perhaps make a log? |
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| 01:50.55 | NightMonkey | Ah, interfaces(5) has a bad link to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html (404'd). |
| 01:51.07 | NightMonkey | (running Squeeze) |
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| 01:53.26 | NightMonkey | I was looking for further information, so I can see how to safely add a new virtual interface after I've configured it in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 01:53.49 | NightMonkey | And hopefully not have to bring down all interfaces to add it using Debian's tools. |
| 01:55.18 | NightMonkey | (I found the doc I needed, but the 404 should probably be fixed. :) ) |
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| 01:59.59 | jordanm | NightMonkey: file a bug against ifupdown (if not already exist) |
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| 02:00.16 | jordanm | NightMonkey: also note, you can use post-up rules to call "ip" if you do not wish to use aliases |
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| 02:03.54 | iluminator101 | network manager no longer available in squeeze??? |
| 02:04.08 | allan8904 | for a debian sid installation on a PC with 2 gig of ram, what would be a good amount of swap space? |
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| 02:07.00 | froggyman | allan8904, You would probably be fine without any swap space at all, unless you plan to use hibernation |
| 02:07.19 | froggyman | If you wanted to hibernate 3GB of swap should be fine |
| 02:07.59 | allan8904 | froggyman: sweet as 3GB it is, thanks :) |
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| 02:10.59 | froggyman | allan8904, no problem. On my squeeze install, with 2GB of RAM, I don't even have a swap |
| 02:11.46 | allan8904 | froggyman: yeah i figure i probably wont ever use it...but better to be safe :) |
| 02:11.58 | allan8904 | froggyman: although hibernation nis a big plus :) |
| 02:12.00 | allan8904 | *is |
| 02:12.56 | froggyman | allan8904, well, have fun! |
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| 02:16.23 | iluminator101 | can someone pastebin there /etc/network/interfaces, mine is messed up, i want to use the eth0 and wifi at the same time |
| 02:18.17 | stew | iluminator101: "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback" but I don't see how mine helps you |
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| 02:20.14 | iluminator101 | hmm...... |
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| 02:28.05 | xk | why is snd/soundcore getting loaded? |
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| 02:38.12 | Crisco | so this is the third time I've tried to install debian... |
| 02:38.31 | Crisco | same machine |
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| 02:58.53 | froggyman | Crisco, what kind of problems have you been having? |
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| 03:02.07 | deed02392 | hi guys |
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| 03:02.52 | deed02392 | wonder if anyone can shed some light on this - I have a debian vm on openvz and every time it is rebooted all the files from the /var/run/ircd are deleted. |
| 03:02.58 | deed02392 | dirs remain there, but all the files are erased |
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| 03:06.51 | Crisco | froggyman: it's all sorted out now |
| 03:07.01 | Crisco | I got it installed |
| 03:07.10 | froggyman | Crisco, glad to hear! |
| 03:07.28 | Crisco | I was getting a bunch of segmentation faults |
| 03:07.36 | Crisco | but I just restarted and tried again |
| 03:07.39 | deed02392 | anyone have any idea why these files are being deleted? having a bit of a crisis at the moment |
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| 03:16.14 | pablo_ | hi, does anyone knows how do i list packages which are leaves on the imaginary dependency tree and which are installed on my machine? |
| 03:16.56 | deed02392 | hi guys |
| 03:16.59 | deed02392 | wonder if anyone can shed some light on this - I have a debian vm on openvz and every time it is rebooted all the files from the /var/run/ircd are deleted. |
| 03:17.13 | deed02392 | dirs remain there, but all the files are erased |
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| 03:20.01 | WaterRatj | is there a way to use ./configure and has it install lib if there needed? |
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| 03:25.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | deed02392: var/run if for tracking state |
| 03:25.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | deed02392: why are you supprised its cleared? |
| 03:25.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/state/process id's |
| 03:25.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | WaterRatj: install how? |
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| 03:28.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | deed02392: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.13.html for example |
| 03:28.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARRUNRUNTIMEVARIABLEDATA for 2.3 |
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| 03:32.09 | stlsaint | Hey folks, just wanted to know if debian can run all of 32GB RAM? |
| 03:33.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | stlsaint: a 64bit version should be able to |
| 03:33.29 | stlsaint | Kamping_Kaiser: is that without any post install mods? |
| 03:33.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | stlsaint: i'd imagine so (I don'[t hae any boxes with that much ram to test on ) |
| 03:35.04 | stlsaint | aye |
| 03:35.07 | stlsaint | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
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| 03:35.40 | deed02392 | i was surprised Kamping_Kaiser because by it's the default home dir of the irc user |
| 03:35.53 | deed02392 | and i'd never expect a home directory to clear files, leaving dir structure intact |
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| 03:36.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | deed02392: that sounds broken. is that something you've compiled and installed? |
| 03:37.10 | deed02392 | this is a virtual machine set up by my host caratnetworks |
| 03:37.32 | deed02392 | i had installed an irc bot in there run by the user `irc` |
| 03:37.46 | deed02392 | came home to find the server had been rebooted due to some memory leak caused by a bug in openvz |
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| 03:38.01 | deed02392 | now i discover all the files where the bot should be are gone, and i'm left with empty directories everywhere |
| 03:38.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | deed02392: whoever set it up has made a mistake, /var/run should never be used for storing non volatile data |
| 03:38.45 | deed02392 | but from the links you've provided me that seems like normal behaviour |
| 03:38.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | for that matter, it shouldn't be used for storing data |
| 03:38.52 | deed02392 | indeed Kamping_Kaiser |
| 03:38.59 | deed02392 | so to summarise |
| 03:39.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | deed02392: perhaps check with your host to see if its a hosting specific package, if it is they should changge the services home |
| 03:39.29 | deed02392 | you submit it's normal for files to be purged from that directory, but that it was a misconfiguration to set that directory as tthe home dir for any user? |
| 03:39.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | correct |
| 03:39.49 | deed02392 | thanks Kamping_Kaiser, i've got a support ticket with them open now |
| 03:40.09 | deed02392 | this is gutting, had recent irc logs stored in there |
| 03:40.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | deed02392: no problem, hope they are responsive for you. keep a ccopy of the fhs around incase they ask for a better place |
| 03:41.03 | deed02392 | i will do Kamping_Kaiser, thanks again |
| 03:41.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | good luck |
| 03:41.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | and no problem |
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| 04:12.56 | kenifanying | hi, how to display photo in virtual console? |
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| 04:28.22 | deeeed | hi |
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| 04:28.36 | deeeed | I am trying to mount an hfsplus hd as rw but it doesn't work |
| 04:28.44 | deeeed | it's always mounted as read-only |
| 04:29.06 | deeeed | mount -t hfsplus -o rw,force /dev/sdb1 SAMSUNG/ |
| 04:29.16 | deeeed | any idea why ? |
| 04:30.37 | ScottG | Hibernate keeps failing with an exit status of 1. How can I find out what the problem is. This seems to occur when I haven't restarted i a few days. |
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| 04:36.33 | Rusty1 | deeeed: http://raamdev.com/mounting-hfs-with-write-access-in-debian , dunno |
| 04:36.51 | deeeed | I tried |
| 04:37.00 | deeeed | it doesn't work |
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| 05:40.04 | iluminator101 | how do i enable network manager to manager my wifi in interfaces currently it says device not managed |
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| 05:59.09 | nirazio | In firefox, I try to check the box in Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General which says 'submit crash report', but everytime I close this and open it again it remains unchecked. Why is that so? |
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| 06:00.34 | fubada | i want to replace my linksys |
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| 06:12.20 | sekon | sorry |
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| 06:43.39 | nirazio | Can someone list Gnome alternatives / eqivalent for Klipper ? |
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| 06:48.50 | rigved | hi everyone |
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| 06:52.55 | rigved | i am unable to install guest additions in Debian Squeeze (on virtualbox). squeeze is unable to run the autorun.sh file in the cd (says that it is an unrecognised file). when i try to manually run the linux guest additions.run file as root, it tells me that i do not have permission to run the file. can anyone tell me what am i doing wrong here? any help regarding this woud be welcome. |
| 06:53.56 | Psi-Jack | just shakes his head. |
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| 06:54.11 | Psi-Jack | rigved: Try a stable? :p |
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| 06:55.51 | rigved | Psi-Jack: i already have lenny installed. but i wanted to try out squeeze also. anyways, thanx for your help |
| 06:56.16 | Psi-Jack | I didn't really help you besides feeding common sense. ;) |
| 06:58.16 | rigved | Psi-Jack: well you just told me that guest additions doesn't work in squeeze so that does help. :) |
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| 06:59.21 | Psi-Jack | No, I just said squeeze isn't considered stable. |
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| 07:07.34 | rigved | Psi-Jack: ok. |
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| 07:16.32 | KindOne | I just installed Debian 5 ( net install CD ) and I can not figure out the "sudo" password ? |
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| 07:19.46 | KindOne | name is not in sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 07:20.23 | cahoot | debian isn't set up as ubuntu |
| 07:20.29 | beardy | This is n.ot ubuntu. Su, root password. Set during install. |
| 07:21.34 | beardy | When or if sudo is set up, user's pass is the default. |
| 07:21.38 | KindOne | If I was using Ubuntu, I'd annoy the #ubuntu people... |
| 07:21.55 | beardy | Thank you. |
| 07:22.10 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.20 | beardy | !sudo |
| 07:23.20 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 07:34.13 | KindOne | so Ubuntu people annoy ya'll with the same question I did ? |
| 07:34.36 | cahoot | it was just informational |
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| 07:39.07 | JyZyXEL | whats the fastest way to determine how many files a directory contains |
| 07:39.11 | JyZyXEL | like a rough estimate |
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| 07:39.44 | JyZyXEL | cause du is taking foreverrrrr and it doesn't show progress |
| 07:39.51 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: find /path/to/directory | wc |
| 07:40.05 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: But find will probably take just as much time as du |
| 07:40.23 | JyZyXEL | i wish there was something that printed the progress |
| 07:40.29 | JyZyXEL | i hate waiting without any output of the progress |
| 07:40.48 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: If you have an up to date locate database then "locate /path/to/directory/ | wc" should be almost instant. |
| 07:41.18 | N2Deep | find /path/to/directory | wc > count.out |
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| 07:41.27 | N2Deep | tail -f count.out |
| 07:41.35 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if locatedb will have the structure of hundreds of millions of hard links |
| 07:43.02 | JyZyXEL | yea no |
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| 07:46.04 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: What's in this directory? |
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| 07:46.27 | guzu | hello all |
| 07:47.07 | guzu | is there a document about what to do after install to add multimedia flash etc? squeeze |
| 07:47.17 | JyZyXEL | Jordan_U: possibly >100 million hard links |
| 07:47.49 | Jordan_U | I'm more curious why you have such a directory :) |
| 07:48.08 | JyZyXEL | centralized nightly pooling backups |
| 07:48.36 | JyZyXEL | link created for each file on each computer every night |
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| 07:51.02 | debiantonio | JyZyXEL, http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x700.html |
| 07:52.30 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: Is this only hard links to files which were at least originally outside that directory, or does it have actual duplicated copies of anything? |
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| 07:54.43 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: If it's the former then you may get an idea from looking at how many files you have in the system you're backing up, then looking at a file that has been there the entire time like /etc/fstab and looking at the hard link count. Then multiply the two values. |
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| 07:55.27 | JyZyXEL | wait where do you get these values |
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| 07:56.04 | JyZyXEL | how do i see how many files my filesystem has? |
| 07:56.18 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: Otherwise your fastest answer may come from dumpe2fs. |
| 07:56.43 | JyZyXEL | the amount of "normal" files on the filsystem is nothing compared to the amount that the links add |
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| 07:57.15 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: Run "find" on the filesystem/ directory tree that is being backed up. That should be pretty quick. |
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| 07:58.23 | JyZyXEL | but the count |
| 07:58.30 | JyZyXEL | i want count not filenames |
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| 07:59.30 | JyZyXEL | does ext3 keep a number at hand of the amount of hard links its storing |
| 07:59.43 | JyZyXEL | or just number o files |
| 08:00.50 | KindOne | Why are Debian 5's packages not up to date ? |
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| 08:02.12 | Jordan_U | JyZyXEL: I expect only the number of files, but I may be wrong. Using "ls -l" on a single file though you can see how many hard links there are to that file, and again use that information to give a fairly accurate estimate of the total number of hard links in your backup dir. |
| 08:02.17 | KindOne | I have irssi 0.8.12 installed , and 0.8.15 was released awhile ago |
| 08:02.19 | cahoot | a couple of years since release |
| 08:02.24 | s3a | Hi, I'm not so smart with LVM but how do I reduce a filesystem in LVM so that I can reduce the logical volume? |
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| 08:02.39 | JyZyXEL | o_o |
| 08:03.12 | s3a | JyZyXEL, me? |
| 08:03.45 | JyZyXEL | doesn't fsck spit out the file amount number |
| 08:04.07 | s3a | JyZyXEL, are you talking to me? |
| 08:05.23 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 08:06.52 | s3a | o |
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| 08:12.04 | ali3n0 | s3a, you better snapshot/clone data somewhere and then delete/recreate a logical volume |
| 08:12.37 | debiantonio | JyZyXEL:http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x700.html |
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| 08:14.35 | s3a | ali3n0, i'm practicing in a virtual machine and i think i'm getting it right for once. i reduced home by shrinking ext3 to 1000M and reduced the logical volume to 1024M, my question is: do I need to "grow" my ext3 partition for root before increasing the logical volume or will the filesystem automatically grow? |
| 08:15.00 | ali3n0 | s3a, not sure you can shrink fs with ext3 |
| 08:15.28 | s3a | ali3n0, of course you can, i just did and without lvm i've done so many times |
| 08:15.41 | s3a | unless i misunderstood you but i don't think i did |
| 08:16.10 | ali3n0 | I thought resize2fs was meant just to extend and not to shrink, maybe I'm wrong though |
| 08:16.41 | ali3n0 | yep, man resize2fs says I'm wrong ;) |
| 08:17.09 | ali3n0 | at least you should do a fsck before shrinking lvm volume btw |
| 08:17.10 | s3a | omg tho, i'm getting so excited |
| 08:17.19 | s3a | i think it's the first time i'm getting lvm to work for me! |
| 08:17.33 | ali3n0 | uhm. what's so difficult with that? |
| 08:17.48 | ali3n0 | I mean what kind of problems did you have? |
| 08:17.55 | s3a | well it's probably the stress (when i wasn't doing it in a virtual machine) |
| 08:18.20 | s3a | the documentation is too advanced which i don't like |
| 08:18.24 | ali3n0 | I've been using lvm even on root partitions for years and never had a problem |
| 08:18.24 | s3a | i like baby steps |
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| 08:18.43 | s3a | ali3n0, ya i've been using lvm but haven't resized |
| 08:18.46 | ali3n0 | you can install you debian system using lvm |
| 08:18.51 | ali3n0 | aah, ok |
| 08:19.03 | s3a | ali3n0, i just didn't install lvm on my production computer (school laptop) |
| 08:19.05 | ali3n0 | resize is kinda cool |
| 08:19.20 | s3a | ya it is :) |
| 08:19.31 | ali3n0 | if you are really into this kind of things, have a look at the latest btrfs |
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| 08:21.09 | s3a | ali3n0, ya i heard about competition with ext4. what's so special about it? |
| 08:21.18 | s3a | apparently ubuntu is going to use it? |
| 08:21.27 | ali3n0 | not in the near future |
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| 08:21.45 | ali3n0 | is still fresh stuff |
| 08:22.17 | ali3n0 | never used it by myself but it is a "last generation" fs, so has built in feature like the ones you get from LVM for instance |
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| 08:23.01 | ali3n0 | s3a, so resizing, pooling, snapshotting, etc |
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| 08:23.36 | ali3n0 | ah, forgot, you really could use ext4 over ext3 |
| 08:23.56 | rigved | ubuntu is already using ext4 (it's selected by default. one thing is that ext3 is just ext2 with journaling. ext4 is a journaling fs. |
| 08:24.27 | ali3n0 | he was asking about btrfs I think |
| 08:24.49 | rigved | ohh ok |
| 08:25.14 | s3a | ya i was just curious as to what's special about btrfs but i think should leave this for tomorrow because it's 3:30AM approx and i need to sleep |
| 08:25.42 | s3a | ali3n0, bye |
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| 08:25.51 | ali3n0 | s3a, have a nice sleep |
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| 08:26.01 | s3a | thanks |
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| 09:07.54 | sedulous | Is dm-crypt and/or LVM capable of passing through TRIM commands to SSDs nowadays? |
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| 09:12.02 | jelly-hme | sedulous: that's an excellent question, try asking in #lvm or ##kernel as well and can you please report back if you get an answer ;-) |
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| 09:13.33 | sedulous | jelly-hme: can do. by the way, in the mean-time, there are already "wiper" scripts that do it manually: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2997551&group_id=136732&atid=736684 |
| 09:13.52 | sedulous | ^ trims LVM on dm-crypt on SSD |
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| 10:18.52 | complete | Good Morning Debian! When i type ./ and then tab, bash also suggests files that are not executable. Only in directories mounted via sshf. Any ideas, why? |
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| 10:28.27 | ethanol | because when you do ./ it just does autocomplete? :< |
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| 10:29.07 | ethanol | nevermind I take that back |
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| 10:31.55 | complete | ethanol: did you try it yourself? could it be a in sshfs? |
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| 11:09.24 | pablo_ | hi, does anyone knows how to list the leaves of the imaginary dependency tree of the packages which are installed on my machine? |
| 11:10.02 | ThePub | "imaginary dependency tree"? if they're installed, do you mean actually installed software? |
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| 11:10.47 | pablo_ | ThePub: list installed software which is not required by anyone else |
| 11:11.52 | ThePub | so you want software which has no dependencies? |
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| 11:14.03 | pablo_ | ThePub: no, software where no other software depends on it |
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| 11:16.22 | ThePub | there is the debtree package, also apt-cache has a dotty mode which could be of more use. |
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| 11:25.02 | spliffi83 | hi community, for my quarantine network I'd like to prohibit all websites except two from virus vendors. Whenever an unwanted request comes in from the clients they should be served with a certain site where they will find the 2 permitted anti virus links. Iam not sure which software I should use for that. Squid can't block all web requests (hostnames & IP based) except two, can it? The problem with iptables is, that it will block but does |
| 11:25.02 | spliffi83 | n't give a reply to the browser. Any suggestions? |
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| 11:27.11 | xingu | spliffi83: if your quarantine network is being achieved with something like 802.1x then "transparent" (really, translucent) proxying is probably what you want to do. |
| 11:27.38 | spliffi83 | I already installed squid as a transparent proxy |
| 11:28.11 | xingu | spliffi83: iptables -j REDIRECT target. |
| 11:28.17 | ThePub | may want to ask a squid channel :) it's been years since I used squid as a transparent proxy but even then it had a lot of control over the connection. |
| 11:29.00 | xingu | spliffi83: configure squid to allow your whitelist, and point the remainder at a page that serves up a http redirect. |
| 11:29.38 | spliffi83 | problem is afaik, that you specify a blacklist of sites you want to block, but I can't exclude millions of sites |
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| 11:29.55 | xingu | spliffi83: which is precisely why you whitelist rather than blacklist |
| 11:30.17 | xingu | spliffi83: permit these -> forward default to http redirect page. |
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| 11:30.43 | spliffi83 | actually I have sth like this: |
| 11:30.44 | spliffi83 | acl avira dstdomain .avira.com |
| 11:30.44 | spliffi83 | acl avg dstdomain .free.avg.com |
| 11:31.13 | spliffi83 | and further down I say allow aclnames and deny all after that |
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| 11:31.24 | spliffi83 | but sth is still wrong |
| 11:31.33 | xingu | spliffi83: squid is not an httpd |
| 11:31.46 | xingu | spliffi83: you still need to point the default case at a web page that serves up a redirect |
| 11:32.12 | xingu | (well, technically you could customise the squid error page to do the same thing, but hey-ho) |
| 11:32.35 | xingu | or use squidguard to rewrite the request |
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| 12:36.06 | Kenjiro | hello there |
| 12:36.22 | Kenjiro | can anyone tell me which is the latest KDE version on debian? |
| 12:36.56 | tvm | you can check on the debian.org website easily. |
| 12:37.06 | tvm | in packages section, of course. |
| 12:37.09 | babilen | rather packages.debian.org |
| 12:37.35 | babilen | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ provides even more information |
| 12:37.57 | babilen | Kenjiro: 4.4.5 AFAICT |
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| 12:38.49 | Kenjiro | babilen: even on the 'testing' version? |
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| 12:40.19 | babilen | Kenjiro: Yes, as you can see on the aforementioned website. Lenny (stable) ships with 3.5 and Squeeze/Sid (testing/unstable) with 4.4.5 -- The situation will not change until Squeeze is released. Newer versions might be available, but I can't tell you exactly where to get those. (Repos from pkg-kde and/or experimental come to mind) |
| 12:40.35 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 12:40.55 | Azrael_- | how long will lenny still live until squeeze takes over? |
| 12:40.58 | Kenjiro | babilen: thanks |
| 12:41.20 | babilen | !wwsr |
| 12:41.20 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 12:41.33 | Azrael_- | thx |
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| 12:45.18 | linux_probe | lol |
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| 12:49.10 | superlinux | hi all. I have questions to french people. please private me cos it's off topic. |
| 12:49.34 | superlinux | i am not looking for translations. thanks |
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| 12:59.29 | learn | i want to download and install debian linux, my CPU is intel core2duo 64bit, i want 64bit O/S, so i should choice amd64 or ia64? |
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| 13:00.12 | cahoot | amd64 |
| 13:00.19 | cahoot | if you want 64bit |
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| 13:00.40 | babilen | learn: ia64 is itanium |
| 13:00.43 | babilen | !why amd64 |
| 13:00.43 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 13:01.19 | learn | cahoot: thank. |
| 13:01.24 | learn | dpkg: thanks. |
| 13:01.24 | dpkg | learn: no problem |
| 13:01.28 | babilen | learn: And I would recommend the netinstall if you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation. |
| 13:01.36 | babilen | learn: dpkg is a bot :) |
| 13:01.59 | learn | haha oh i see is a bot :-) |
| 13:02.33 | learn | so may i ask what about if in server CPU intel should use ia64? if i want 64bit debian? |
| 13:03.19 | babilen | learn: You want ia64 for Itanium processors -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium |
| 13:04.29 | learn | babilen: ok, i note down first then will not make wrong on this... so mean if server type highend AMD processor will using amd64 right not ia64? |
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| 13:06.23 | learn | right now i am going to website:http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/iso-dvd/ why got so many ISO to download, if i just want install debian, so am i just need to download 1 DVD iso is enought? sorry i am centos guy so not know about debian??... |
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| 13:08.58 | cahoot | learn: as suggested above - get the netinst if you have a working wired connection during install |
| 13:10.39 | babilen | learn: We typically recommend the netinstall CD if you have a working internet connection during the install. I would also recommend installing Squeeze (the upcoming release) if you are installing on a privately used laptop/desktop -- Download: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:10.52 | learn | cahoot: i do not have internet connection.. :-( |
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| 13:11.08 | babilen | learn: You don't? Are you not online right now? |
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| 13:12.30 | learn | babilen: yes but i want to install on other system without internet connection, i want install server version not desktop version... |
| 13:13.14 | babilen | learn: The CD/DVD sets contain *all* packages in decreasing order of popularity. If you do not have a internet connection to download packages from the internet, you should download those. The first CD/DVD typically come with enough packages to perform a typical desktop install. (The CD images come in different flavours for Gnome (default), KDE, XFCE, LXDE, ...) |
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| 13:14.10 | babilen | learn: There is no difference between the desktop version and the server version. The difference between a desktop and a server lays in the way you configure your systems. |
| 13:14.19 | bolt | Is there a guide somewhere on how to tune debian for slow IO? I have this raid of WD Green drives, which really isn't fast in any way. How can I make the system cache more writes and continously write changes, rather than doing so in large chunks which blocks everything? |
| 13:14.38 | learn | babilen: i see, thanks your usefull information... |
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| 13:15.55 | JyZyXEL | can pvmove be done when lvm is mounted rw? |
| 13:15.57 | babilen | learn: I would strongly recommend installing the *stable* version on a server (i.e. a production system providing services to other computers) |
| 13:16.32 | learn | babilen: ok, thanks. |
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| 13:17.07 | babilen | learn: If you say that the other systems do not have an internet connection, what exactly do you mean? Don't they have a network connection *at all*? Are they just not connected to the internet? How do you plan to install and upgrade them? |
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| 13:19.05 | learn | babilen: problem is using proxy, so i do not know how to connect them throught proxy? :-( |
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| 13:22.44 | babilen | learn: You can provide proxy settings during the installation and configure your system to connect through a proxy as well. |
| 13:23.20 | babilen | learn: The latter is achieved by setting: "export http_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.net:port/" and "export ftp_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.netport/" (adapt to your companies/isp values) |
| 13:24.57 | learn | babilen: wooh thanks alot.. |
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| 13:27.01 | learn | babilen: currently official debian site debian X64 version is it name "Debian Lenny"? |
| 13:28.11 | babilen | yes |
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| 13:31.42 | linuxman410 | does anyone know when debian 6 is going to be released |
| 13:31.55 | jelly-hme | !wwsr |
| 13:31.55 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 13:32.01 | jelly-hme | !wir |
| 13:32.01 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 13:32.28 | jelly-hme | !rc bugs |
| 13:32.28 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 13:32.37 | babilen | A more specific way to set a proxy server specifically for apt-get/aptitude is explained in "man 5 apt.conf" (essentially Acquire::http::Proxy "http://[[user][:pass]@]host[:port]/"; for http ...) |
| 13:32.54 | bug2000 | Hello, which packages are required to get ipv6 via 6to4 running? |
| 13:32.55 | jelly-hme | linuxman410: when the green line on the RC bugs graph hits 0 |
| 13:33.28 | linuxman410 | do you know if it is still going to run on older hardware |
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| 13:40.48 | acperkins | any reason NetworkManager isn't showing any WiFi networks with an ath5k card? |
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| 13:45.10 | babilen | acperkins: No networks in the vicinity maybe? A not correctly installed driver, ... plenty of reasons. |
| 13:45.43 | daemonkeeper | Also a missing firmware perhaps (don't know about the ath5k driveR) |
| 13:46.30 | ajikeshi | hi... i need some advice on how to create a bootable debian netinstall image |
| 13:46.41 | ajikeshi | err... on an usb pendrive |
| 13:46.49 | ajikeshi | i tried a lot but nothing worked |
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| 13:47.42 | babilen | acperkins: Could you paste the output of both "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and "modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath5k ; dmesg | tail -n 10" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 13:48.29 | babilen | brb |
| 13:50.38 | h3sp4wn | ajikeshi: You can try - loading ath5k with - nohwcrypt=1 (see if its a bug in the hwcrypto) |
| 13:51.14 | ajikeshi | h3sp4wn, that was someone different :D |
| 13:51.26 | h3sp4wn | ajikeshi: crap sorry |
| 13:51.37 | ajikeshi | np :D |
| 13:51.37 | h3sp4wn | acperkins: You can try - loading ath5k with - nohwcrypt=1 (see if its a bug in the hwcrypto) |
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| 13:53.43 | acperkins | http://paste.debian.net/103475/ |
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| 13:54.19 | babilen | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 13:54.21 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
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| 13:54.44 | babilen | acperkins: Ok, what does "iwlist wlan0 scan" give you? |
| 13:54.58 | babilen | (as root) |
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| 13:55.26 | ajikeshi | still.. did someone create a bootable usb-netinstall pendrive? |
| 13:55.39 | acperkins | babilen: "wlan0 no scan results" |
| 13:56.13 | babilen | acperkins: Ok, that looks good. Are you sure that there should be a wireless network? |
| 13:56.48 | acperkins | yes, there are two of my own plus a few from the neighbours, and my phone could see it fine. Fedora 14 was able to see it before I installed Debian |
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| 13:58.59 | babilen | acperkins: ok, one second please. You are using lenny? (ath5k phy0: Support for RF2425 is under development.) |
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| 14:00.02 | acperkins | I am using a disc labelled 5.0.6 and i've updated it as much as I could, I can't remember what the codename for that version is |
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| 14:00.46 | babilen | Ok, that is Lenny. You might want to try a newer kernel. |
| 14:00.54 | babilen | !bdo kernel |
| 14:00.54 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly. You can then "aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian. |
| 14:01.49 | acperkins | babilen: thanks, I'll try that |
| 14:01.58 | babilen | acperkins: But if this is your personally used computer you could also just upgrade to Squeeze (the next release) following the release notes or by reinstalling your system using Squeeze's images |
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| 14:03.59 | babilen | The former is detailed in http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes and you can get the latter from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:04.19 | Iridos | right... squeeze will become stable any hour/day/year/decade/century now |
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| 14:04.55 | babilen | acperkins: I would actually recommend upgrading to Squeeze |
| 14:05.28 | h3sp4wn | acperkins: Or try wireless compat / iw from git (http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download / http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/replace-iwconfig) (wireless tools doesn't support most of the new stuff (wireless netlink I think it is) that mac80211 is best with (some cards you can only scan with wpa_supplicant otherwise (using stuff like ap_scan=1) or use madwifi (Certain atheros features are still not in ath5k) |
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| 14:06.16 | babilen | IIRC it works just fine with a newer kernel (either by upgrading to squeeze or from backports) |
| 14:06.20 | acperkins | babilen: thanks, I am upgrading to squeeze now |
| 14:06.32 | babilen | acperkins: Make sure to follow the release notes. |
| 14:07.05 | babilen | acperkins: Have fun and good luck. I'll be back later. :) |
| 14:07.26 | markit | hi, debian lenny, I need to use tcptrace in textual way (from shell in a remote host), but if I aptitude install it, it brings down a lot of dependencies that seem related to graphical output... is there a way to ignore dependencies and install the single package? |
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| 14:09.30 | tziku | hello, i have a flood attack from 94.247.76.2 on UDP/80 (2300pks/sec). I use: "iptables -I INPUT -s 94.247.76.2 -p udp -j DROP" but i still have same attack from this ip. What i can do ? |
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| 14:11.59 | rhodan | Is it Parts 1-6, Part 1-6, part 1-6, pt 1-6, pts 1-6 or pt. 1-6? |
| 14:12.28 | xingu | tziku: phone your provider |
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| 14:14.35 | Rienzilla | tziku: there is nothing you can do on a flooded host to stop the flooding |
| 14:14.49 | Rienzilla | you can drop the traffic, but it will still come in |
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| 14:17.54 | xingu | your provider on the other hand can explain why they've failed to either notice or do anything about it, and then at least stop forwarding those flows while *they* work with their upstreams to kill the command and control. |
| 14:18.11 | Iridos | !tell markit about apt recommends |
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| 14:19.44 | Iridos | those are the only ones you can skip |
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| 14:22.11 | markit | Iridos: great, thanks, aptitude rulez! |
| 14:22.39 | markit | sure, the real dependencies can't be ignored without break something |
| 14:22.56 | markit | but they were all "recomended", as far as I can see now with -R |
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| 14:37.06 | Rienzilla | xingu: I'm not sure it's my provider's task to monitor and alter traffic coming into my machine, unless I ask about it or it disturbs the other customer's connections |
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| 14:39.54 | qwd | I just bought a new hard drive and checked it with Disk Utility in Gnome. Got this http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5518/screenshot500gbharddisk.png should I be worried? |
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| 14:44.28 | raz | qwd: probably not, and you have backups anyways |
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| 14:45.55 | qwd | raz: right, so no need to return it then? |
| 14:46.16 | raz | qwd: hard to tell, smart is a bit of black magic |
| 14:46.31 | raz | qwd: do you have data on the disk already? |
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| 14:46.58 | qwd | raz: nope, I ran the test as soon as I took it out of the box. |
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| 14:47.24 | raz | qwd: i usually run a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M on new drives |
| 14:47.32 | raz | make sure sdX is *really* the drive you want to overwrite tho ;) |
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| 14:48.31 | raz | it should remap the sector when it's overwritten and *might* expose problems if there are any |
| 14:48.49 | raz | afterwards you can just re-partition and use |
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| 14:48.55 | qwd | raz: that will write 1mb blocks of zeroes on the drive? I guess I'll get an error message at the end then if something went wrong? |
| 14:49.33 | raz | qwd: yup that's what it does. if you get any errors then the drive is screwed. on such a drive you'd often also hear the "click'o'death |
| 14:49.54 | raz | furthermore smart should signal that one sector as remapped after it has been written once |
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| 14:51.17 | raz | you can watch the dd progress by using this in a second terminal: |
| 14:51.18 | raz | kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid |
| 14:51.22 | raz | where $pid is the pid of the dd process |
| 14:51.39 | raz | ehm |
| 14:51.50 | raz | while true; do kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; done |
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| 14:52.22 | qwd | raz: thanks, I'm running it now |
| 14:52.30 | raz | np |
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| 15:21.42 | pthreat|laptop | Hi, net install died on me, picked up my mirror, its been in 43% since like an hour |
| 15:21.55 | pthreat|laptop | whici process Im I looking to kill |
| 15:22.02 | deepy | reboot and retry? |
| 15:22.15 | pthreat|laptop | pffft |
| 15:22.39 | pthreat|laptop | helpful |
| 15:22.43 | fireba11 | pthreat|laptop: i'd try pulling network cable, it should notice and stop trying :-D |
| 15:22.44 | pthreat|laptop | not |
| 15:22.45 | cahoot | check the console? |
| 15:22.58 | pthreat|laptop | cahoot: yes I was checking the console |
| 15:23.08 | cahoot | no error? |
| 15:23.17 | pthreat|laptop | no error |
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| 16:00.02 | linduxed | hey guys, i was wondering if there's a way to export the wireless network passphrases stored by NetworkManager+nm-applet |
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| 16:01.06 | jelly-hme | "probably" |
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| 16:02.47 | linduxed | jelly-hme: can't figure it out so far... |
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| 16:03.36 | linduxed | i'm able to unlock the keyring in seahorse, but for some reason, you can export everything except network passphrases in seahorse |
| 16:04.31 | jelly-hme | linduxed: NetworkManager is a silly beast. Settings configured by one user in one desktop environment are stored and used just there by default. I bet those passphrases hide in plaintext somewhere under ~/.local/ or similar |
| 16:04.56 | linduxed | jelly-hme: i'll check for something like that then |
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| 16:05.30 | bolt | Is there a guide somewhere on how to tune debian for slow IO? I have this raid of WD Green drives, which really isn't fast in any way. How can I make the system cache more writes and continously write changes, rather than doing so in large chunks which blocks everything? |
| 16:06.08 | linduxed | nope, not in local |
| 16:06.21 | katsrc | hello |
| 16:06.28 | ThePub | bolt: check out man pages on mount if you're worried about disk writes |
| 16:06.37 | katsrc | are there are repos to install Iceweasel 4 beta from? |
| 16:06.40 | babilen | linduxed: The passwords are stored in gnome-keyring -- you can view (export?) them with "seahorse" for example. You might want to check how to backup/export data saved in the keyring. I would suggest asking in a more gnome related channel (e.g. #gnome here on freenode or on irc.gnome.org) |
| 16:07.27 | jelly-hme | bolt: you're going to find out that "cache more writes" is in conflict with "continuously write changes" |
| 16:07.29 | babilen | linduxed: I don't actually know how/where these passwords are stored and it would be great if you could ping me when you find a solution. |
| 16:07.48 | jelly-hme | bolt: what's the machine |
| 16:08.02 | jelly-hme | bolt: what's the machine's primary purpose? File server? Video editing? |
| 16:08.35 | bolt | jelly-hme: it is a file server and kvm host |
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| 16:10.15 | jelly-hme | ok, so it will have multiple writers to the same fs / block device |
| 16:10.21 | jelly-hme | bolt: how much ram? |
| 16:10.24 | linduxed | babilen: well you can at least see them in seahorse |
| 16:10.40 | linduxed | babilen: but as for exporting, i'm working on it |
| 16:10.41 | bolt | jelly-hme: yes. and every so often, something seems to be "flushing", causing small reads to take ages, which is horrible when my home directory is on it |
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| 16:11.07 | bolt | jelly-hme: it has 8 gigs of ram, but quite a bit of that gets eaten by kvm, depending on how many vm's i'm running |
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| 16:12.55 | karlpinc | bolt: It may be that the green drives go into low power mode and spin down. That's a complete guess. |
| 16:13.03 | jelly-hme | bolt: I'd start with limiting sysctl vm.dirty_background_ratio to some 200MB (the value is in % of total RAM, so set it to 2 or 3) |
| 16:13.19 | karlpinc | bolt: How long is "ages"? |
| 16:13.27 | babilen | linduxed: Files seem to be in ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ |
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| 16:13.44 | karlpinc | bolt: And how do you know it's "flushing"? |
| 16:13.46 | linduxed | babilen: hmmm, will have a look |
| 16:13.56 | bolt | karlpinc: like 3-4 seconds to cat my .xsession, for instance. which is mostly instant |
| 16:13.58 | jelly-hme | bolt: some of the defaults in /proc/sys/vm/ are quite horrid for file server usage |
| 16:14.15 | jelly-hme | bolt: move the homes to different disks. |
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| 16:14.37 | bolt | karlpinc: i suppose i don't *know*, but I see high "wa" in top, and the hd light is flashing like crazy when it happens |
| 16:15.17 | jelly-hme | wd green disks are _created_ to have low performance but keep themselves reasonably cool if possible |
| 16:15.27 | pthreat|laptop | Installed popularity contest |
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| 16:15.57 | bolt | jelly-hme: yep. they're also close to inaudible, which i really like. and in a raid, they perform alright most of the time. |
| 16:16.05 | karlpinc | bolt: Ok. So it's doing some IO. Who knows exactly what the lights but if it's flashing that's probably an indication there's activity. It probably is seeking. |
| 16:16.08 | karlpinc | bolt: raid1? |
| 16:16.29 | linduxed | babilen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/550101 |
| 16:16.33 | bolt | jelly-hme: it's just this thing when someone's copying a file, someone else is watching a video, a vm is starting and i attempt to read a small file. the small file doesn't get priority |
| 16:16.36 | linduxed | babilen: found that |
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| 16:16.50 | bolt | jelly-hme: if i do it at the wrong time, it'll wait for some huge write, it seems |
| 16:17.38 | karlpinc | bolt: raid1? |
| 16:17.41 | bolt | jelly-hme: also firefox causes lots of misc io. it seems to write stuff to the drive very often. i turned off its hd cache, but it's still doing something weird. i think it might be the session storing |
| 16:17.44 | jelly-hme | bolt: when dirty buffers writeout starts, it hogs the device until it's finished |
| 16:17.45 | bolt | karlpinc: 5 |
| 16:18.01 | bolt | jelly-hme: can i make that run more often and in smaller chunks? |
| 16:18.02 | karlpinc | bolt: Ah. Raid 5 writes are really slow. |
| 16:18.08 | jelly-hme | bolt: I just told you how. |
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| 16:18.23 | bolt | jelly-hme: ah. i'll try that one now. forgot about it already. sorry. |
| 16:18.26 | pipeline | bolt, jelly-hme : It doesn't really matter. Your I/O needs are so vastly larger, many orders of magnitude, than your I/O capabilities. The dirty details of the scheduling are largely immaterial. Unless your backend is a VMax or something. |
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| 16:19.21 | jelly-hme | pipeline: IME, dirty details are very important and effective |
| 16:19.46 | pipeline | bolt, jelly-hme : for perspective, on my home desktop, I can write in a straight line at about 600 MB/s. Under normal day to day use, I only have about 30 MB/s of usable disk I/O, total, across all tasks. Contention is *expensive.* It doesn't matter how large or how small that write is -- once you're out of buffer, you're out, and even a single seek operation is expensive. |
| 16:20.06 | jelly-hme | pipeline: that's why limiting the buffer size helps |
| 16:20.42 | jelly-hme | and Linux is just dumb with forced dirty buffer writeouts |
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| 16:20.56 | karlpinc | jelly-hme: That I don't understand. I'd think you want _more_ buffer so you don't run out. Or is it that the whole buffer is flushed at once so you want to keep the flush small? |
| 16:21.08 | babilen | linduxed: Yeah, I stumbled over that bug as well. I am sure that there is a way (even if that means that you'll have to write a program). Would using wicd be an option? I know that this does not answer your question, but wicd has its merits (e.g. /etc/wicd/wired-settings.conf for all your configuration needs) |
| 16:21.16 | pipeline | You want as much buffer as possible, and you want it to be continuously flushed, so that you don't end up blocking all I/O for extended periods. |
| 16:21.21 | bolt | karlpinc: that's exactly it, i think. it gets flushed at the same time, blocking everything else |
| 16:21.22 | pipeline | The default settings are actually really great. |
| 16:21.42 | jelly-hme | karlpinc: the latter. I thought the same at first and raised the numbers and it make things so much worse |
| 16:21.47 | pipeline | bolt: under the default configuration, the only reason that you would end up in that situation is that you've overwhelmed what your I/O subsystem can do for you. |
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| 16:21.59 | pipeline | bolt: ....which is very easy to do. |
| 16:21.59 | jelly-hme | pipeline: provably false |
| 16:22.42 | bolt | i tried setting the dirty ratio to 2 now. i'll see what that does for a while |
| 16:22.43 | jelly-hme | pipeline: my backup machine can how dump 150-200MB/s to tape when it used to not go above 100MB/s |
| 16:22.48 | pipeline | bolt: what is your I/O backend in this system ? |
| 16:23.17 | linduxed | babilen: i would prefer using wicd (i have used it before) but it has no integration with vpn |
| 16:23.19 | pipeline | jelly-hme: yeah -- you start tuning when your I/O demand should ostensibly meet your I/O supply, but doesn't. That's not the case in almost any desktop situation |
| 16:23.35 | karlpinc | pipeline: He's got raid5 wd "green" drives. |
| 16:23.42 | linduxed | babilen: i use openvpn frequently so i need nm-applet :-( |
| 16:23.52 | jelly-hme | I don't think raid6 and VMs are a desktop situation ;-) |
| 16:24.11 | bolt | it's not a desktop. just a server with the wrong drives :) |
| 16:24.15 | bolt | trying to make the best of it |
| 16:24.24 | pipeline | VMs are the worst-case on your I/O performance you poor bastard |
| 16:24.26 | pipeline | buy more spindles :( |
| 16:24.47 | karlpinc | bolt: You could always ditch the raid5 and use raid10. That would probably more than double the cash flush time. |
| 16:25.00 | pipeline | yeah raid5 write penalty will eat your ass on contention |
| 16:25.03 | pipeline | raid10 not so much |
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| 16:25.25 | pipeline | that '0' lets you distribute the pain of contention :P |
| 16:25.33 | jelly-hme | a hw raid controller will be helpful with that raid5/6 write penalty |
| 16:25.49 | pipeline | a little bit. |
| 16:25.50 | karlpinc | jelly-hme: Why? |
| 16:25.59 | pipeline | I haven't found performance to be much different with adaptec/lsi versus mdraid |
| 16:26.05 | pipeline | hw raid is still a big win in that it has battery-backed cache |
| 16:26.12 | pipeline | but on simple performance you shouldn't expect to win much |
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| 16:27.10 | karlpinc | Too bad there's no way to throw a ssd at it to handle "overflow". |
| 16:27.20 | karlpinc | (Or no way I know.) |
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| 16:28.08 | karlpinc | Or maybe there is. What if an ssd drive was used for the fs journal..... |
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| 16:29.36 | jelly-hme | karlpinc: that's just a larger cache useful to delay and reorder writing; if there's lots of random reading nothing helps except more platters |
| 16:30.21 | karlpinc | jelly-hme: I'm thinking that if it delay's writing long enough it'll give the reads time to finish. |
| 16:30.42 | karlpinc | s/'// ! |
| 16:31.00 | jelly-hme | if pipeline is right and there's constant pressure, they never finish (there're always new ones) |
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| 16:31.13 | jelly-hme | and you can't delay writeback forever |
| 16:31.27 | un214 | yes you can |
| 16:31.29 | bolt | are there any settings for the file system cache? if i know which files are read often, can I make those stay in there, even if another huge file is read, which would normally push the small ones out? |
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| 16:31.32 | un214 | see laptop-mode |
| 16:31.45 | jelly-hme | un214: you can also lose data. |
| 16:31.51 | un214 | yes you can |
| 16:32.17 | un214 | bolt: cp them to a ramfs |
| 16:32.29 | bolt | un214: hey. smart. |
| 16:32.46 | karlpinc | un214: I thought of that. But that does no good when they're scattered about the fs. |
| 16:33.00 | babilen | linduxed: Install "python-keyring-gnome" save http://paste.debian.net/103487/ somewhere and run it |
| 16:33.02 | un214 | what do you think symbolic link is for? |
| 16:33.27 | karlpinc | un214: Sounds awkward. |
| 16:33.33 | bolt | problem is if you want to change them then, you have to change the original, then copy them again, or make something that copies the changes back |
| 16:33.42 | un214 | yup |
| 16:33.50 | babilen | linduxed: That however does not allow to reimport the data. |
| 16:33.50 | karlpinc | bolt: The original cannot even stay where it belongs. |
| 16:33.58 | bolt | karlpinc: true |
| 16:34.38 | karlpinc | bolt: (Unless there's some fuse magic out there. In which case use a ssd instead of a ramdisk so you don't lose things on crash.) |
| 16:34.51 | un214 | if you're a real glutton for punishment you can pass them through a userspace filesystem |
| 16:35.12 | bolt | karlpinc: i was just thinking about that. something that just remounts an existing file system with some special options for stuff to keep in ram |
| 16:35.40 | pipeline | bolt: incidentally VMs and SSDs go together like bread and butter. VMs are highly concurrent, but probably not all that much write VOLUME, just a lot of SEEKING. SSDs can't handle THAT much volume, but the number of IOs per second is unmatched. |
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| 16:37.57 | bolt | jelly-hme: i haven't experienced a hangup/large flush/whatever since i put those settings in /proc. though this is hardly peak time. i'll see how it goes. thanks :) |
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| 16:38.41 | bolt | looks around for cachefs or something for fuse, just for good (bad?) measure |
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| 16:40.03 | jelly-hme | bolt: you'll have a reduction in total throughput but hopefully gain some interactivity |
| 16:40.36 | bolt | jelly-hme: that'd be good. i don't mind if huge operations take huge amounts of time, really. i just need the small ones fast. |
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| 16:41.51 | un214 | where did I put oraclefs? |
| 16:42.45 | bolt | on a somewhat related note, does noatime mount option imply nodiratime, or are both needed? |
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| 16:43.15 | jelly-hme | the former |
| 16:43.59 | bolt | great. thanks again :) |
| 16:44.32 | bolt | un214: i think there's a mysqlfs too. played around with that a long time ago |
| 16:44.40 | xingu | jelly-hme: it's not the writeouts that hurt, it's the write barriers placed after them. |
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| 16:45.14 | xingu | jelly-hme: linux will merrily write-behind until the cows come home, but if it ever ignores a write barrier, that's a bug. |
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| 16:45.45 | xingu | jelly-hme: minimising harm from *necessary* write barriers and eradicating superfluous ones is a black art and an ever-changing game. |
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| 16:49.56 | jelly-hme | it's not the write-behind, it's that (as far as I remember) all other io requests queue up when the forced writeback is triggered |
| 16:49.58 | karlpinc | bolt: I'm not reading and can't stay but I think if you made a large enough journal and put it on a ssd you could delay writes long enough for, say, the vm to finish starting and load to reduce enough that you wouldn't see delay. |
| 16:50.29 | xingu | jelly-hme: even forced writeback is ok; when a barrier has been inserted though subsequent writes can't complete until its flushed |
| 16:50.34 | xingu | jelly-hme: this is what stalls userspace |
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| 16:51.05 | xingu | jelly-hme: the twin tragedies of linux are 1/ that network and io queueing are not yet unified (so no priority-queue for low-latency io) and 2/... |
| 16:51.43 | bolt | karlpinc: thanks. i'll consider that if this turns out to not work well. |
| 16:51.44 | xingu | jelly-hme: ... that commit guarantees offered by libc/kernel to userspace *beat against* commit guarantees offered by blockdev and initiator to kernel |
| 16:52.15 | xingu | jelly-hme: it's the twin towers of stupidity and every time I think about it I wind up swallowing my own sick. |
| 16:52.26 | keith4 | is there a simple way to test if mail to root@localhost is getting relayed to me? |
| 16:52.42 | keith4 | e.g., to ensure that logwatch messages will get through? |
| 16:54.11 | xingu | bolt: even that's the wrong approach; here's a novel idea, put a battery backup into your actual host adapter (power your storage controller off lithium rather than a cheap chopper circuit), slap a polka on the jukebox, invite lucifer in, and then experiment with "nobarrier" mount opts. |
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| 16:55.30 | xingu | bolt: if userspace is incurable (it isn't, the source is free, just go on a sync squishing jamboree) then get the host adapter to lie to the block layer. |
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| 16:56.28 | bolt | xingu: i don't understand the "userspace incurable" part |
| 16:56.36 | jelly-hme | warning: time spent on diving into layers of kernel may be more expensive than a hw raid card |
| 16:56.40 | bolt | xingu: what is an incurable userspace? |
| 16:56.48 | xingu | bolt: it's userspace asking for commit guarantees that causes the stalls |
| 16:57.07 | xingu | bolt: userspace is stuck in a write-sync-busywait-write loop. |
| 16:57.31 | xingu | bolt: and the vfs is (single-threadedly) obliging because it's stupid beyond words. |
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| 16:57.57 | jelly-hme | Firefox and its sqlite storage were an example prominent in the news |
| 16:58.02 | xingu | quite |
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| 16:59.37 | xingu | bolt: if you're using ext3 you get two tiers of stupidity; the journal, and, the underlying fs; in fact if you're really lucky (version dependant) you might in addition block in the vm allocator when you blast a bunch of dirtied pages first into the journal then it empties them into the filesystem. |
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| 17:00.13 | bolt | xingu: using ext3, yes |
| 17:00.14 | jelly-hme | I'm buying a new machie at home and seriously thinking of buying an SSD first and put it in the old 2005 Celeron laptop to see if its disk backend (and Linux) really causes all the hiccups |
| 17:00.17 | xingu | bolt: xfs has always gotten that last approximately right (one of the reasons it typically drills ext3 for latency numbers); recent ext3 is better, but it's still fairly broken even in -trunkk. :) |
| 17:00.42 | xingu | bolt: the kindest thing to do with ext3 is to put the journal onto mlc flash instead of the rotational device |
| 17:01.09 | jelly-hme | xingu: and let it journal everything, including data? :) |
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| 17:01.30 | xingu | jelly-hme: that's religion rather than science, despite a decent beer I'm not going there tonight :) |
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| 17:03.10 | jelly-hme | there're hybrid devices with say 320G 2.5" disk and something like 4GB SSD, that's almost the same except the device firmware decides what to speed up |
| 17:04.28 | xingu | bolt: so in short, the simple xingu guide to turbocharging ext3 is - journal on a discrete mlc flash device, nobarrier+noatime mount opt, battery backup for the host adapter; then finally a few special touches like using the "-" prefix in syslog.conf so that it doesn't flush your /var lv every time it wakes up. |
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| 17:05.09 | bolt | xingu: i'll see what i can do :) |
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| 17:05.22 | xingu | bolt: once you get the barriers *out* of the blockdev queue fast and deep buffers will do some nice things for you |
| 17:05.36 | xingu | bolt: for instance overlapped io deduplicates. |
| 17:06.01 | jelly-hme | vfs does a decent job with those in the midlayer anyway |
| 17:06.32 | bolt | is there some special filesystem which fits vm's better than ext3? i mean, it has few, huge files, which never change in size, they're only read and written to. |
| 17:06.34 | xingu | bolt: the laptop-mode patches help with both diagnosing and eradicating unwanted queue flushing, too |
| 17:06.52 | xingu | bolt: I'd go with ext2 or xfs myself |
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| 17:07.46 | xingu | bolt: ext3's archilles heel is the design of the jbd; xfs's is the fact that it has its memory manager, which sometimes does the wrong thing. |
| 17:08.26 | Iridos | reiser, reiser... |
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| 17:08.56 | un214 | to bad there's no undo murder command |
| 17:09.02 | Iridos | well, _anyone_ can say "Jehova"... |
| 17:09.09 | xingu | Iridos: splitter |
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| 17:09.53 | xingu | bolt: the attraction of ext2 is that it doesn't try to out-clever either userspace or the lower layers |
| 17:10.16 | un214 | I'm using ext3 |
| 17:10.34 | un214 | let's just say that fsck on every crash takes too long with terabyte drives |
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| 17:11.13 | un214 | especially when most crashes leave the kernel running so wait 90 seconds for all buffers to sync and you're fine |
| 17:11.46 | xingu | assuming that "draining the journal" is equivalent to "having the filesystem in a coherent state" |
| 17:12.04 | xingu | and if you're going to ignore the dirty bit at mount time, why not just come out and say so? |
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| 17:12.45 | xingu | (ext2 can mount dirty filesystems without checking them too) |
| 17:12.52 | jelly-hme | un214: how many files do you have on those filesystems? recreating the fs with a low number of inodes may speed up the fsck. ext4 has a much faster fsck but I'm not trying it out yet |
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| 17:13.24 | jhutchins_lt | The real question is why are you crashing a system that's running terrabyte drives? |
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| 17:13.55 | xingu | jhutchins_lt: I thought it was "why do you care about a system with such little storage attached" :) |
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| 17:14.18 | jelly-hme | terrorbytes |
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| 17:16.56 | xingu | it's still highly offensive that vfs<->block interactions to this day have a single per-device pair of read and write queues |
| 17:17.20 | xingu | doubly so when you think about the paravirt case. |
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| 17:18.12 | jelly-hme | they should have a single queue instead! |
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| 17:19.05 | Iridos | arrest jelly-hme , he used the word "terror" |
| 17:19.13 | xingu | jelly-hme: the "process" container gives you a very natural way to colour io-ops |
| 17:19.43 | xingu | jelly-hme: if sqllite messes its inodes, why would vlc need to care? |
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| 17:20.13 | xingu | someone ought to invent some sort of table, for memory pages. |
| 17:20.50 | mirak | hi |
| 17:21.07 | jelly-hme | heh |
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| 17:22.09 | mirak | I have a script that creates a symlink "ln -s /dev/input/eventX /dev/input/ir" . I want this to be run before lirc is started, so rc.local won't fit. What's the best place to do that ? |
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| 17:23.04 | stew | mirak: in udev's config |
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| 17:25.27 | mirak | stew: thanks. You mean in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 17:25.41 | stew | yes |
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| 17:26.50 | stew | mirak: probably something like "SUBYSTEM=='input', KERNEL=='eventX', SYMLINK+="input/ir" |
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| 17:28.48 | mirak | stew: I get the X number from "cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep "Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146" -A 4| grep event | sed -n 's/.*event\([0-9][0-9]*\).*/\1/p' |
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| 17:29.29 | mirak | I will have to search a bit |
| 17:29.41 | stew | mirak: then instead of KERNEL= you'll probably use ATTRS{idVendor} and ATTRS{idProduct} or something |
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| 17:31.25 | mirak | stew: yep, thanks |
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| 17:34.57 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 17:35.15 | mirak | stew: about the ENV{DEVTYPE} is it necessary ? |
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| 17:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kuickshow |
| 17:46.11 | judd | Package kuickshow on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5-3etch4; etch-security: 4:3.5.5-3etch4; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo.2; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9-3+lenny3 |
| 17:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | What replaeces kuickshow in squeeze/kde4? |
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| 17:51.47 | jelly-hme | what did it do? |
| 17:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | Image viewer - replaced by gwenview |
| 17:52.44 | jelly-hme | but... gwen doesn't start with k! |
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| 18:01.18 | pyqwer | Hi, I cloned a debian Lenny from one KVM guest to another, now I need to setup grub - any clue how to do? I just started the Debian rescue system, but there's no grub-install, hmmm... |
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| 18:03.22 | jhutchins_lt | pyqwer: grub install is just a wrapper script, you can just run grub to do the install, see the man page for details. |
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| 18:04.32 | pyqwer | jhutchins_lt: Unfortuantely, no, grub is not on the rescue system, there's only something called "grub-installer", which does not work. I can manually mount my partition and call grub from there, but it fails with Error 21 |
| 18:04.51 | un214 | that's bad |
| 18:04.58 | un214 | hmmmm |
| 18:05.15 | un214 | did you bind /dev into your partition and chroot into it to call grub? |
| 18:05.26 | pyqwer | One way would be to install grub from the host system, but I have no clue how. |
| 18:05.59 | pyqwer | I did a chroot, but the device is then missing - how can I bind /dev into -> /mnt/dev ? |
| 18:06.08 | un214 | mount -o bind |
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| 18:06.23 | un214 | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
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| 18:07.19 | un214 | back in the day I used to run udev with a real /dev so /dev was still populated in situations like this |
| 18:08.10 | un214 | don't exactly know why this has fallen out of favor but it would be a royal pain in the behind to retool debian to still do that |
| 18:08.54 | pyqwer | Hmmm, how exactly is "mount -o bind" working? Something like "mount -o bind /dev/vda1 /mnt" fails (not a directory) |
| 18:09.29 | un214 | pyqwer: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 18:09.56 | pyqwer | Ah, o.k., after it is mounted. |
| 18:10.41 | h3sp4wn | Or you can install makedev and still do that |
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| 18:11.07 | un214 | h3sp4wn: huh? |
| 18:11.53 | h3sp4wn | install it do as you always did (i.e leave a full /dev populated) |
| 18:11.57 | pyqwer | Hmmm, yes, the device is there, but still the same problem - grub> root (hd0,0) Error 21: Selected disk does not exist |
| 18:12.08 | un214 | the problem is /dev is now a ramdisk |
| 18:12.45 | pyqwer | Is there maybe a way to copy grub via dd? |
| 18:12.52 | un214 | pyqwer: no |
| 18:13.23 | pyqwer | Hmmm, maybe there's a special "rescue mode", where the installed system is booted? |
| 18:13.24 | un214 | did the rescue system choose the same device nodes as the live? |
| 18:13.38 | un214 | pyqwer: yes |
| 18:13.56 | un214 | something about adding root=/dev/sdxy to the boot command |
| 18:14.21 | pyqwer | Hmmm, maybe that will work.... |
| 18:14.25 | pyqwer | trying... |
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| 18:16.00 | pyqwer | un214: Hmmm, but how could I enter this command when starting from the Debian install CD? Is there some trick? |
| 18:16.18 | un214 | dunno |
| 18:16.33 | un214 | I used debootstrap so I've never even seen a debian install cd |
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| 18:25.53 | osfd | Hi there, I have a weird problem with amarok... I launch it, runs for tens seconds and then creash... |
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| 18:27.22 | homie | what is error number 5 in Xorg ? |
| 18:27.32 | osfd | here is the log : http://pastebin.com/KJ8MwGe5 |
| 18:27.53 | osfd | homie: don't think so... |
| 18:27.54 | homie | my X crashes when i run some self compiled opengl C program |
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| 18:30.36 | un214 | ouch |
| 18:30.38 | raz | how do i install the matching kernel source *and* config for my xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64? |
| 18:30.44 | un214 | report that as a security bug |
| 18:32.02 | dvs | raz: if this is a Debian kernel, the config file should be in the /boot directory |
| 18:32.25 | raz | dvs: ah got it, thx :) |
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| 18:35.48 | raz | dvs: hmm. any idea where the source pkg for my kernel is? |
| 18:36.14 | raz | linux-source-2.6.26 doesn't seem to have the xen patches |
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| 18:36.20 | dvs | dunno |
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| 18:38.18 | mirak | stew: I can't manage to make it work |
| 18:38.37 | mirak | SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{idVendor}=="13c2", ATTRS{idProduct}=="1010", SYMLINK+="input/ir" |
| 18:39.03 | mirak | in file names /etc/udev/rules.d/80-saa7146_ir.rules |
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| 18:39.51 | eAndrius | imho: ATTRS{idVendor}=="0x13c2" and same for product |
| 18:39.52 | raz | ls |
| 18:40.00 | eAndrius | notice the "0x" |
| 18:40.02 | mirak | thanks |
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| 18:44.00 | keith4 | is pdo going to be updated to allow searching of lenny-backports-sloppy? |
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| 18:44.23 | cga | hi all, anyone can give me output of: ls -l /dev/log , thank |
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| 18:44.58 | keith4 | cga: srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2010-12-30 06:25 /dev/log |
| 18:45.13 | keith4 | (it's a socket) |
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| 18:45.49 | cga | keith4, thanks. i was worried about world permissions. |
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| 18:56.21 | cga | keith4, ls -l /etc/init.d/rc , please? |
| 18:57.20 | Jarvis | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8635 Nov 14 20:31 /etc/init.d/rc |
| 18:57.29 | Jarvis | on my system |
| 18:58.02 | cga | thanks Jarvis |
| 18:58.05 | Jarvis | np |
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| 19:05.23 | deever | hi |
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| 19:06.55 | deever | is there a way to assign multiple mac addresses to a physical interface? |
| 19:08.04 | ThePub | deever: there is a way to virtualize a physical interface to answer on multiple IP addresses, it's been a very long time since I've used it but I don't think at the time it included a mac address. You may check your kernel options though. |
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| 19:10.25 | jelly-hme | deever: to what purpose? |
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| 19:11.29 | deever | jelly-hme: to have multiple ip addresses assigned via DHCP |
| 19:11.42 | jelly-hme | deever: it can be done; vm solutions with bridged networking work that way |
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| 19:13.34 | jelly-hme | so, why do you need multiple ip addresses assigned to a single machine? |
| 19:14.25 | jelly-hme | (kernel puts the physical interface in promiscuous mode, listens for everything and the bridge driver creates outbound packets with basically arbitrary source hw address) |
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| 19:14.33 | deever | i'm playing around with vconfig (but can't then get the 802.1q header stripped again...) ;) |
| 19:14.35 | thewanderer1 | deever: you don't have to obtain multiple MAC to get multiple IP from DHCP |
| 19:14.51 | thewanderer1 | deever: by the way, assigning multiple IP addresses by DHCP is lame :P |
| 19:15.27 | deever | jelly-hme: VM solutions use virtual interfaces, not one single interface! ;) |
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| 19:15.42 | deever | thewanderer1: how can i do that? |
| 19:15.50 | jelly-hme | deever: uh.. what do 802.1q vlans have to do with multiple MAC addresses? |
| 19:15.51 | deever | (even if it's lame?) ;) |
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| 19:16.09 | thewanderer1 | deever: well, I'd start searching in the manual of a given DHCP server |
| 19:16.13 | jelly-hme | deever: what is you ultimate goal with this exercise? |
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| 19:16.36 | pthreat|laptop | jelly-hme: whats is your goal by asking him his goal |
| 19:16.46 | pthreat|laptop | s/whats/what/ |
| 19:16.51 | jelly-hme | pthreat|laptop: trying to find a simpler way to get there |
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| 19:17.08 | thewanderer1 | pthreat|laptop: what is your goal asking him what goal is his asking what is the goal? :P |
| 19:17.12 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell pthreat|laptop about xyproblem |
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| 19:17.39 | pthreat|laptop | thewanderer1: just cheking |
| 19:17.43 | pthreat|laptop | checking |
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| 19:17.57 | thewanderer1 | were you trying to induce a syntactic stack overflow? :P |
| 19:18.13 | pthreat|laptop | no? |
| 19:18.45 | thewanderer1 | well, some virtualisation solutions don't need virtual interfaces per se |
| 19:18.57 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: my stack is deeper than yours |
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| 19:19.02 | pthreat|laptop | wsnt there something like |
| 19:19.05 | pthreat|laptop | ifconfig eth0:1 |
| 19:19.08 | pthreat|laptop | or similar |
| 19:19.13 | thewanderer1 | yes, but those are interface aliases |
| 19:19.22 | pthreat|laptop | that wont get you multiple macs however you can have multiple ip's |
| 19:19.24 | jelly-hme | pthreat|laptop: that's assigning IP aliases |
| 19:19.33 | deever | jelly-hme: nothing, but i can then at least assign multiple mac addresses! ;) |
| 19:19.34 | thewanderer1 | the new way of doing this is just via `ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0` |
| 19:19.38 | jelly-hme | deever: why? |
| 19:20.12 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: ssh, debian doesn't know about that yet |
| 19:20.12 | deever | thewanderer1: unfortunately i can't change the dhcp server configuration, but thanks for the hint1 |
| 19:20.14 | thewanderer1 | deever: you can use something called macvtap to produce fake interfaces, which functionally puts your main interface in a near-promiscious mode |
| 19:20.30 | deever | s/1/!/ |
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| 19:20.45 | raz | i don't get it |
| 19:20.47 | raz | why does apt-get source xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 19:20.48 | pthreat|laptop | deever: so you want to have someone elses mac address |
| 19:20.53 | thewanderer1 | deever: then make yourself a macvtap and run several dhcp clients on multiple interfaces |
| 19:20.53 | raz | give me a kernel source *without* the xen patches? |
| 19:21.15 | pthreat|laptop | deever: really, whats your goal please stop playing the misterious h4x0r game |
| 19:21.37 | pthreat|laptop | CIA will know that you've clones your neighbours mac address ! D: |
| 19:21.45 | thewanderer1 | raz: it's documented in the Debian reference manual - basically you have to apply the patch yourself |
| 19:21.59 | raz | thewanderer1: hm and where do i get that patch? |
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| 19:22.09 | raz | i.e. the exact version that was used to build my kernel? |
| 19:22.18 | pthreat|laptop | meh Im just going to have a shower |
| 19:22.19 | thewanderer1 | raz: it's in the packages, but under a different name probably |
| 19:22.30 | raz | i'm really only trying to build a stupid realtek network driver here ;) |
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| 19:22.58 | thewanderer1 | raz: and why are only headers not enough? |
| 19:23.04 | raz | thewanderer1: hm.. can't see anything in aptitude search xen |
| 19:23.10 | deever | pthreat|laptop: hijacking someone else's mac address would not require me to have multiple mac addresses per interface |
| 19:23.24 | pthreat|laptop | deever: just get to the point |
| 19:23.36 | raz | thewanderer1: not sure.. the build thing from realtek complains |
| 19:23.37 | raz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.37 | raz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.37 | raz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.52 | jelly-hme | judd, find macvtap.ko |
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| 19:24.08 | jelly-hme | judd, file macvtap.ko |
| 19:24.10 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 19:24.17 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: it's only in very recent kernels |
| 19:24.18 | jelly-hme | judd, file macvtap.ko --release squeeze |
| 19:24.22 | raz | sorry for flood |
| 19:24.22 | judd | macvtap.ko in squeeze/i386: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen-686/kernel/drivers/net/macvtap.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/net/macvtap.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/net/macvtap.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686: |
| 19:24.24 | judd | lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/macvtap.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/macvtap.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-486: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/kernel/drivers/net/macvtap.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-vserver-686/kernel/drivers/net/macvtap.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg: (1 more message) |
| 19:25.09 | deever | thewanderer1: thanks for the macvtab hint |
| 19:25.14 | dvs | raz: what Realtek chip are you trying to use? |
| 19:25.15 | jelly-hme | it's nice, tap and bridge rolled into one |
| 19:25.24 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: not exactly :) |
| 19:25.28 | raz | dvs: RTL8101E/RTL8102E |
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| 19:25.43 | dvs | !r8169 |
| 19:25.43 | dpkg | [r8169] the Realtek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. Several r8169 bugs were corrected in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21. A MDIO timing issue affecting DHCP operation (Debian bug #583139) was fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.26-24, ask me about <5.0.5>. |
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| 19:26.05 | raz | yea.. lenny picked 8169, it loads and shows eth0, but it doesn't work |
| 19:26.11 | raz | according to google that's a known problem |
| 19:26.13 | jelly-hme | shrugs and looks at his bridge_ports eth0 vbox0 vbox1 vbox2 |
| 19:26.50 | thewanderer1 | raz: so now you're trying on 2.6.32, right? do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 19:26.52 | dvs | raz: Ah. What is it connected to? If it isn't a gigabyte router you may have to disable auto-negotiation\ |
| 19:27.21 | raz | thewanderer1: no this is still 2.6.26-2 |
| 19:27.35 | raz | don't have firmware-nonfree installed, could that help? |
| 19:27.37 | dvs | raz: definitely get 2.6.32 |
| 19:28.00 | raz | dvs: i'm not seeing 2.6.32 xen in aptitude.. also hoped i could get this NIC running without blowing up the entire xen stack ;) |
| 19:28.00 | thewanderer1 | raz: yeah get a newer kernel, fixes most hardware problems (and introduces less than it fixes :] ) |
| 19:28.32 | raz | apt doesn't show me a xen kernel newer than 2.6.26, probably because this is still lenny? |
| 19:28.33 | apt | raz: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:28.55 | thewanderer1 | xen kernel 2.6.32 is in squeeze |
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| 19:29.04 | raz | mmh.. |
| 19:29.31 | dvs | raz: backports |
| 19:29.33 | thewanderer1 | and, you see, the "installer" from realtek is nazi, similar to most vendor-provided software |
| 19:29.40 | raz | dvs: well, backports what? ;) |
| 19:29.45 | dvs | !bpo |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 19:29.59 | raz | and why on earth didn't they simply package the kernel source with patch |
| 19:30.04 | raz | or a pkg for the patch or whatever |
| 19:30.24 | thewanderer1 | raz: how did you install the source? |
| 19:30.26 | raz | i mean, i'm now running a kernel that i can't get the source for? |
| 19:30.30 | thewanderer1 | raz: no |
| 19:30.43 | thewanderer1 | raz: `apt-get source` will not get you a kernel's source with patches |
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| 19:30.52 | raz | thewanderer1: apt-get source xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 19:31.01 | thewanderer1 | raz: yeah, just what I thought... |
| 19:31.19 | raz | well, how do i get it *with* patches? |
| 19:31.21 | thewanderer1 | raz: this way you get the source package for this, which is the base linux kernel |
| 19:31.26 | thewanderer1 | hm, lemme search |
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| 19:31.47 | raz | and yes, i hate realtek with passion.. sadly it's hard to avoid their chips |
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| 19:32.40 | thewanderer1 | hmm |
| 19:32.42 | bassliner | raz: what kind you prefer? |
| 19:32.58 | thewanderer1 | first of all, xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 is a metapackage... |
| 19:33.00 | dvs | raz: yeah, Realtek is a bit of a pain |
| 19:33.11 | raz | bassliner: anything that doesn't make me hunt down crap.. the intels have never failed me (e1000) |
| 19:33.21 | bassliner | hello, for the console, i'm able to change the font from terminus to vga via dpkg-reconfigure. any hint how i could achieve this for grub and anything prior to setting it at the boot process? thanks! |
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| 19:33.34 | bassliner | raz: yeah the intels work pretty for me too. |
| 19:34.04 | raz | thewanderer1: i'm all ear :) |
| 19:34.06 | thewanderer1 | raz: have you tried to check what flavours you have included in the source tree? |
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| 19:34.16 | raz | thewanderer1: no, how do i do that? |
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| 19:34.56 | thewanderer1 | raz: just a moment, I'm apt-getting myself a Debian package of the source |
| 19:35.04 | thewanderer1 | and the mirror is slow today |
| 19:35.16 | raz | no prob, i'll be here all day ;) |
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| 19:35.50 | thewanderer1 | raz: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 19:36.10 | thewanderer1 | this is the reference I've used when building OpenVZ kernels (it failed but who cares...) |
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| 19:36.28 | raz | well, yes |
| 19:36.40 | raz | i have the vanilla kernel i guess |
| 19:36.52 | raz | but i have no idea how to figure out which version of the xen patches they used |
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| 19:37.05 | thewanderer1 | you should have the patches included, really |
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| 19:37.26 | raz | well, if you have just downloaded the xen kernel source |
| 19:37.27 | thewanderer1 | they were just at a bizarre location I can't seem to remember ("flavours" they're called) |
| 19:37.29 | raz | then run "make oldconfig" in it |
| 19:37.46 | thewanderer1 | sure, but you need to apply patches first... |
| 19:37.57 | thewanderer1 | I'll find them when apt-get installs the package :) |
| 19:37.59 | raz | nothing in my tree for "flavours" |
| 19:38.21 | raz | ah\ |
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| 19:38.24 | raz | debian/patches |
| 19:38.24 | raz | hmmm |
| 19:38.28 | thewanderer1 | yes, that |
| 19:38.51 | raz | hum |
| 19:39.01 | raz | and what's the quick way to apply all of them? |
| 19:39.02 | thewanderer1 | and how to use that, I don't quite remember :D |
| 19:39.05 | raz | your howto confuses me |
| 19:39.14 | thewanderer1 | I know, it confused me too |
| 19:39.29 | raz | target_arch_featureset_flavour |
| 19:40.06 | raz | scratches head |
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| 19:40.52 | raz | could be just me, but kernel packaging could use an overhaul, or at least documentation ;) |
| 19:40.58 | thewanderer1 | yeah :D |
| 19:41.03 | thewanderer1 | have you run fakeroot debian/rules source ? |
| 19:41.32 | thewanderer1 | this should create some tasty hierarchy of dirs... |
| 19:41.54 | raz | in a moment, still waiting for apt-get build-dep linux-2.6 |
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| 19:42.22 | raz | ok running now |
| 19:42.24 | raz | wee |
| 19:42.34 | raz | it's applying a lot of patches :D |
| 19:42.56 | raz | hmm but make oldconfig still bails |
| 19:43.13 | raz | ah..hmm |
| 19:43.14 | raz | You will then find the patched source in the subdirectories debian/build/source_arch_none (default) and debian/build/source_arch_featureset (featuresets added) |
| 19:43.34 | raz | what on earth were they smoking |
| 19:43.43 | thewanderer1 | :D |
| 19:44.01 | thewanderer1 | "want the source? here, have all versions of it" |
| 19:44.47 | raz | hm |
| 19:44.52 | raz | i'm just running fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 19:45.04 | raz | the howto claims that will "build everything" |
| 19:45.14 | thewanderer1 | it should |
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| 19:45.34 | raz | will probably take some ages |
| 19:45.44 | thewanderer1 | :D |
| 19:45.53 | raz | and i bet the realtek crap will still fail for some other reason.. |
| 19:45.56 | raz | but at least i have tried then ;) |
| 19:46.54 | raz | great.. most time seems to be spent in docbook garbage |
| 19:46.56 | raz | palms the face |
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| 20:01.08 | open | on a normal installation, what would be the path of the usb key that i just inserted into my computer... (I need to transfer some stuff to it) |
| 20:01.40 | pipeline | open: dmesg | tail -n40 |
| 20:01.54 | jelly-hme | open: last few lines of dmesg output will show the device. You might have to mount it manually |
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| 20:02.44 | jelly-hme | if it shows .... sdf: sdf1 ..., you probably want to mount /dev/sdf1 /some/mountpoint |
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| 20:03.08 | Spreadsheet | Hello |
| 20:03.51 | jelly-hme | open: if you have the default Gnome desktop environment, I believe it will mount it for you automatically somewhere under /media/ |
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| 20:04.17 | jelly-hme | open: "mount" or "df" command will list all the mounted filesystems and their mount points |
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| 20:05.24 | open | nope, it's not showing up in mount or df. I don't have gnome (it sort of stopped working), so I'm in tty. I suppose it was probably gnome that would auto-mount things when they'd be inserted |
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| 20:07.16 | thewanderer1 | any idea how I should setup LVM volumes for libvirt KVM to use? |
| 20:07.39 | rooisto47 | hello, is there any dwm user ?! just wanna know where one have to put the scripts (like the monitors script to show battery stat for example) ? |
| 20:07.57 | rooisto47 | in the dwm bar |
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| 20:11.08 | thewanderer1 | open: you need to actually mount the filesystem to use it |
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| 20:14.47 | dclarke | I am trying to run Adobe Acrobat Reader on Debian Squeeze and despite having libxml2 installed I get a error that /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 can not be found |
| 20:15.01 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:15.47 | dclarke | /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 <<--- is there a *32-bit* version avail or do I need to build that myself ? |
| 20:16.19 | jelly-home | judd: file libxml2.so.2* --release squeeze --arch amd64 |
| 20:16.22 | judd | libxml2.so.2* in squeeze/amd64: ia32-libs: usr/lib32/libxml2.so.2, usr/lib32/libxml2.so.2.7.8; libxml2: usr/lib/libxml2.so.2, usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8; libxml2-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8 |
| 20:16.29 | jelly-home | dclarke: ia32-libs |
| 20:16.43 | dclarke | ah ... |
| 20:16.51 | dclarke | so is there a package name I can install ? |
| 20:16.56 | jelly-home | that's it |
| 20:17.04 | dclarke | oh .. thats convenient |
| 20:17.05 | thewanderer1 | dclarke: do you specifically need Adobe Reader? |
| 20:17.13 | dclarke | well .. only because of a work issue |
| 20:17.17 | dclarke | otherwise .. no |
| 20:17.32 | thewanderer1 | well, you have many replacements at hand: Okular, KPDF, Xpdf |
| 20:17.37 | thewanderer1 | just saying |
| 20:17.43 | dclarke | in fact .. I am trying to get folks to just ditch a certain other OS and run Debian squeeze but you should hear the whining and crying |
| 20:17.45 | jelly-home | okular is decent for reading; not sure how well it works with forms |
| 20:18.07 | jelly-home | why? MacOSX rules! :-) |
| 20:18.11 | dclarke | so I say that just about anything in th world worth running is avail on Debian .. and that include vmware also |
| 20:18.12 | thewanderer1 | no idea either, my "e-books" don't contain forms |
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| 20:18.45 | raz | thewanderer1: any idea how to prevent "fakeroot debian/rules binary" from building the docs? |
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| 20:19.05 | raz | it's spending like an hour only building docbook stuff that i'll never read |
| 20:19.11 | jelly-home | dclarke: high praise coming from a fellow free software repo maintainer |
| 20:19.16 | thewanderer1 | raz: go to the appropriate flavour tree, then do it like usual with make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 20:19.29 | thewanderer1 | or try to read the makefile :) |
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| 20:19.51 | dclarke | you mean me ? I port to Solaris at Blastwave in a big way but Solaris should never be in front of users ... however, my love for Debian is deep and wide |
| 20:20.18 | dclarke | which reminds me .. I have to release cmake today |
| 20:20.25 | thewanderer1 | raz: besides, you really need to compile it? I thought you only needed to execute make oldconfig :P |
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| 20:20.38 | raz | yea um |
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| 20:20.42 | raz | where is that flavor tree again? ;) |
| 20:20.49 | thewanderer1 | debian/build/* |
| 20:21.01 | dclarke | oh crap .. next issue : error while loading shared libraries: libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file |
| 20:21.03 | thewanderer1 | I hope it doesn't give you lemons :D |
| 20:21.05 | raz | ah ok |
| 20:21.20 | raz | gonna try to build that realtek driver against that |
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| 20:22.09 | dclarke | jelly-home: by the way, I run Debian squeeze on AMD Opteron and Intel i7 at home with VMware Workstation 7.1 to run Solaris, RHEL and other things like that. It all just works |
| 20:23.16 | jelly-home | !flw0 |
| 20:23.16 | dpkg | < tga> -funroll-loops will fix everything < tga> oops, wrong channel |
| 20:23.41 | jelly-home | !flw |
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| 20:24.05 | jelly-home | you never say "It all just works"!!!1 |
| 20:24.12 | dclarke | jelly-home: how did you search for a file ? with judd ? |
| 20:24.31 | jelly-home | yes, /msg judd file ... works as well |
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| 20:26.42 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: lol, just found http://funroll-loops.info/ ... |
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| 20:29.19 | jelly-home | roll loops are yummy |
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| 20:30.23 | thewanderer1 | it's actually "fun roll" loops |
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| 20:31.27 | jelly-home | I thought they were fun "roll loops" |
| 20:31.37 | jelly-home | will the wonders ever cease |
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| 20:32.40 | Kzim | hi i don't understand why /etc/crontab seams to not working anymore :( any idea ? |
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| 20:33.56 | rooisto47 | no one knows where I have to put those dwm scripts (monitors' script that show battery state or time/date on the dwm bar) ?§ |
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| 20:34.01 | noa | Kzim: perhaps your crond is dead? |
| 20:34.06 | jelly-home | often the answer is "because there's a bit of an invalid syntax there", IOTW "you broke it" |
| 20:34.54 | dvs | Kzim: I think you're suppose to put your stuff in /etc/cron.d |
| 20:35.06 | jelly-home | dvs: if you package it, sure |
| 20:35.20 | dvs | oh? that's only for packages? |
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| 20:35.59 | jelly-home | it's primarily for packages, and you have to be careful not to make a filename that clashes with a package |
| 20:36.01 | dclarke | noobish question : when aptitude search foo returns "i A foo = Thy golden foo cure to infinite performance" what does the capital A mean ? |
| 20:36.47 | jelly-home | "this package has been automatically installed as a brought-in dependency for something else you installed explicitely" |
| 20:36.56 | jelly-home | aptitude why foo |
| 20:37.05 | dclarke | cool |
| 20:37.09 | dclarke | thanks |
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| 20:38.26 | Kzim | noa: i have /usr/sbin/cron running that's all |
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| 20:38.49 | Kzim | dvs: /etc/crontab worked well before :( |
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| 20:39.38 | dvs | Kzim: I think Debian overwrites that file. |
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| 20:39.59 | noa | Kzim: do you have any logging from cron in syslog? |
| 20:40.07 | noa | grep -i cron /var/log/syslog |
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| 20:41.14 | Kzim | i have some i just restarted it |
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| 20:41.26 | Kzim | look like the daily.cron and houly.cron was started .... |
| 20:41.36 | Kzim | must be my script that have a problem so |
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| 20:42.17 | noa | Kzim: if you have email configured you should get an email detailing any errors from a failed execution |
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| 20:42.35 | Kzim | that's the point, i dont get any email :( |
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| 20:43.21 | Kzim | i'll make some test and come back |
| 20:43.23 | Kzim | thx ! |
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| 20:46.17 | dclarke | oh hell ... this is the least of libs that Adobe Acrobat Reader needs : http://www.pastebin.ca/2034522 <-- where do I get all these ? |
| 20:47.07 | dclarke | is there not an option to dpkg that can search for a given file ? |
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| 20:48.17 | Jordan_U | dclarke: apt-file search |
| 20:48.42 | dclarke | oh .. thanks, figures I was using aptitude search the wrong way |
| 20:48.56 | dclarke | sudo: apt-file: command not found |
| 20:49.00 | dclarke | ummm |
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| 20:49.02 | dclarke | really ? |
| 20:49.18 | Jordan_U | dclarke: It's not installed by default. |
| 20:49.27 | catsup | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 |
| 20:49.28 | dclarke | *sigh* |
| 20:49.52 | catsup | lol |
| 20:50.01 | catsup | dclarke: it's dpkg -S |
| 20:50.06 | dclarke | thanks ! |
| 20:50.09 | catsup | recommended to use dlocate -S |
| 20:50.13 | dclarke | I knew there was an option to dpkg |
| 20:50.16 | catsup | (you need to install dlocate for that) |
| 20:50.17 | dclarke | oh ? |
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| 20:50.46 | Jordan_U | dclarke: catsup: dpkg -S only searches for files in packages that are already installed. |
| 20:50.47 | catsup | dlocate offers versions of dpkg searches indexed for speed |
| 20:51.03 | Jordan_U | Not too helpfull if you're trying to figure out what you need to install. |
| 20:51.10 | catsup | right, only apt-file will search uninstalled packages |
| 20:51.13 | dclarke | okay .. in order to keep me from going totally mad, is there an easy way for me to get a list of every package installed on a given machine such that I can then tell another machine to install that package list. the result ( desired result ) is that I have machines that have the exact same software installed |
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| 20:51.25 | lolcat^ | Hello |
| 20:51.37 | dvs | dclarke: dpkg --gel-selections |
| 20:51.40 | catsup | dclarke: dpkg --get-selections / dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:51.57 | dvs | uh... get.... that's what I meant. ;-) |
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| 20:52.38 | dclarke | dvs: just to be clear is that intented to be a pipe there and not a slash ? |
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| 20:52.55 | dvs | dclarke: catsup said that. |
| 20:53.16 | dclarke | oops .. sorry |
| 20:53.28 | lolcat^ | Is there a rolling release of debian? |
| 20:53.36 | dvs | lolcat^: testing |
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| 20:54.25 | dclarke | thinks it should be named 'razors_edge' |
| 20:54.40 | dvs | testing? no way. |
| 20:54.50 | CissWit | dclarke: if you use aptitude, you can try the command aptitude-create-state-bundle |
| 20:55.02 | CissWit | You can then install on the other machine with aptitude-run-state-bundle |
| 20:56.02 | CissWit | The advantage is that it keeps the flags set on the packages (like automatically installed) |
| 20:56.48 | dclarke | CissWit: brilliant ! |
| 20:57.06 | dclarke | hell ... how do I send money, chicks, booze and cookies to you guys ? :-) |
| 20:57.36 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 20:57.37 | jelly-home | !donate |
| 20:57.38 | dpkg | If you like Debian are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations. |
| 20:57.51 | dclarke | yep .. I put in money from time to time |
| 20:58.02 | jelly-home | is a cheapskate and doesn't |
| 20:58.05 | dclarke | I think "What would Microsoft charge me for crap?" and then I donate that |
| 20:58.37 | dclarke | I figure if I can buy a Porsche Cayman S for Christmas I can support open source |
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| 20:58.45 | dclarke | and I do |
| 20:59.28 | ajikeshi | dclarke, y do you want to buy a porsche? |
| 20:59.37 | dclarke | why not |
| 20:59.48 | dclarke | seems like a fun way to get from A to B |
| 20:59.54 | dclarke | life is short and I feel like it |
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| 21:00.14 | dclarke | even if it is made by SaaB in Finland with a transmission from Ford |
| 21:00.49 | lolcat^ | Is there a way to get rid of most programs? |
| 21:01.05 | CissWit | A funner way is to program your server running debian to driver your prosche. (This way, this conversation isn't offtopic anymore) |
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| 21:01.26 | ajikeshi | dclarke, still.. overpriced crap imo :D |
| 21:01.37 | CissWit | lolcat^: what do you mean ? What kind of programs do you want to get rid of ? |
| 21:01.39 | Jordan_U | wonders which is more likely to crash, debian or dclarke |
| 21:01.42 | dclarke | ajikeshi: they all are |
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| 21:01.50 | lolcat^ | CissWit: All that aren't strictly nececary |
| 21:01.54 | ajikeshi | right :D |
| 21:01.56 | dclarke | Jordan_U: I don't crash |
| 21:02.30 | jelly-home | lolcat^: you can remove everything but the base system, and even some parts of the base installation |
| 21:02.40 | lolcat^ | jelly-home: What command? |
| 21:02.58 | jelly-home | dunno, never had to do it |
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| 21:03.21 | lolcat^ | :/ |
| 21:03.52 | lolcat^ | Because all the debian programs are from before I was borned, and I sorta like features and the like. So Id rather remove em all and compile from source... |
| 21:03.53 | jelly-home | lolcat^: aptitude has a powerful search syntax, you can probably tell it to do it but I really can't be pressed to read the manual for you |
| 21:04.32 | Jordan_U | lolcat^: Why compile from source? |
| 21:04.35 | lolcat^ | jelly-home: So apt-get serch * then copy paste and apt-get remove whatever it outputs? |
| 21:04.56 | CissWit | dpkg: tell lolcat^ about ssb |
| 21:04.59 | lolcat^ | jelly-home: Because debian is laging 0.7 version points behind on the production programs |
| 21:05.17 | jelly-home | lolcat^: I think you meant Jordan_U |
| 21:05.23 | CissWit | lolcat^: if you don't want to use anyprogram from debian repos, i guess you shouldn't use debian. |
| 21:05.34 | jelly-home | lolcat^: what are version points? |
| 21:05.38 | lolcat^ | CissWit: I like debian, it is stable |
| 21:05.49 | lolcat^ | jelly-home: rTorrent 0.7.9/0.11.9 |
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| 21:06.06 | lolcat^ | jelly-home: rTorrent 0.8.6/0.12.6 |
| 21:06.14 | jelly-home | lolcat^: it's quite easy to backport libtorrent and rtorrent. |
| 21:06.16 | edbian | I'm going to register a domain name. What website should I go to ? |
| 21:06.19 | CissWit | lolcat^: then you should only install programs that you *really* need at the last version from source |
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| 21:07.04 | lolcat^ | jelly-home: I need it to be compiled with rpc |
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| 21:08.52 | jelly-home | lolcat^: so build it with "rpc". |
| 21:09.03 | lolcat^ | jelly-home: I will |
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| 21:09.24 | lolcat^ | But I need to reinstall my debian because it is messed up |
| 21:09.32 | lolcat^ | I have to run rtorrent as root now... |
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| 21:10.13 | jelly-home | you're jumping from issue to issue too fast for me, I'm going to let someone else talk to you |
| 21:10.31 | lolcat^ | Okey |
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| 21:10.47 | dclarke | lolcat^: go see Linux From Scratch and then you will be happy |
| 21:10.57 | lolcat^ | So the aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; |
| 21:11.05 | lolcat^ | it will make it apt-get removable? |
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| 21:13.21 | un214 | I think apt-get -b source only generates the deb |
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| 21:14.29 | dclarke | Jordan_U: 21:01 * Jordan_U wonders which is more likely to crash, debian or dclarke : me, pre race http://www.blastwave.org/man/cayman_s_prerace.jpg ( I'm in black with the Porsche hat ) |
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| 21:15.49 | un214 | I finally noticed, I removed sudo some time ago |
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| 21:24.14 | dclarke | not sure if this is a bug : I have ia32-libs-gtk installed however Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 21:24.50 | dclarke | there seems to be no 32-bit libcanberra-gtk-module.so |
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| 21:25.56 | linduxed | how do i check how much space everything BUT /home takes? |
| 21:25.56 | linduxed | note that I don't have /home on a separate partition |
| 21:26.21 | dvs | linduxed: df -m ? |
| 21:27.16 | dclarke | how do I file a bug for squeeze ? |
| 21:27.29 | linduxed | dvs: how does that help me if i don't have /home on a separate partition? |
| 21:27.36 | dclarke | there needs to be a symlink for /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so in /usr/lib32/ |
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| 21:28.48 | dvs | linduxed: well, you can use "du -sm" to see how much /home is using and subtract that from the total. |
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| 21:33.07 | KjetilK | I'm trying a lenny->squeeze upgrade now, and see this: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_20101129_amd64.deb (--unpack): unable to create `/usr/lib32/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2.dpkg-new' (while processing `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2'): No such file or directory |
| 21:33.52 | KjetilK | would that be something I should report somewhere, or is it just my dealings with non-free drivers and thus uninteresting to the rest of the community? |
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| 21:35.32 | dclarke | KjetilK: you need ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 21:35.54 | dclarke | KjetilK: I just went through similar issues |
| 21:36.14 | KjetilK | dclarke, yeah, I suspected something like that |
| 21:36.16 | KjetilK | thanks |
| 21:36.21 | dclarke | however |
| 21:36.28 | dclarke | try installing fglrx-glx-ia32 |
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| 21:36.32 | pfred1 | KjetilK when I upgraded it was a little choppy just do it a few things htings mostly sort out |
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| 21:37.07 | dclarke | KjetilK: these things may be what you need fglrx-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 and fglrx-glx-ia32: /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 21:37.24 | KjetilK | dclarke, pfred1: OK! |
| 21:37.41 | KjetilK | I plan to start using free drivers now, so perhaps I should just remove the thing? |
| 21:37.50 | pfred1 | that and the foss ati driver ain;t half bad if it keeps on working for you |
| 21:38.06 | dvs | KjetilK: if you're upgrading to squeeze, you won't need fglrx anymore. |
| 21:38.14 | KjetilK | dvs, cool! |
| 21:38.23 | pfred1 | I think it depends exactly what chip you have whi8ch is better |
| 21:38.23 | dclarke | I use the commercial NVidia drivers with no issues .. non-free sometimes, works just fine too |
| 21:38.36 | pfred1 | but some the foss one is better than the closed bin |
| 21:38.45 | dclarke | yeah .. |
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| 21:38.47 | dclarke | I agree |
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| 21:39.09 | dclarke | however there is no such thing as a foss driver for the SoundBlaster X-Fi cards .. and I tried |
| 21:39.31 | dvs | I thought that was the emu-10k2 ? |
| 21:39.40 | pfred1 | I never got my on board sound to work I just chucked in an old sound blaster |
| 21:40.00 | KjetilK | I use the non-free nvidia drivers, but I hear the free ati drivers has gotten really good recently |
| 21:40.18 | pfred1 | or the closed ati drivers just haven't gotten any better |
| 21:40.23 | dvs | KjetilK: the developers got hold of the true spec, so yeah. |
| 21:40.31 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.35 | dclarke | however |
| 21:40.51 | sechrist | is adding a user in a postinstall for a deb file common practice? |
| 21:40.59 | dclarke | the issue is that the Creative Technologies people refuse to play nice and allow a specific driver to be made for the X-Fi boards |
| 21:41.03 | KjetilK | yeah, and part of the reason why I bought the ATI card was to support ATI since they did that :-) |
| 21:41.10 | dvs | dclarke: I believe that. |
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| 21:41.25 | dclarke | and the ALSA project is fairly clear on this .. I built all of it locally here and no matter .. there is no real driver for the X-Fi |
| 21:41.27 | pfred1 | KjetilK nvidia can't because of NDAs |
| 21:42.11 | pfred1 | KjetilK but nvidia supports Linix way better than ati ever did |
| 21:42.29 | pfred1 | not that ati didn't promise the Moon at times |
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| 21:44.38 | KjetilK | pfred1, yeah, I know, but the 4770 card I currently have was a very good fit for my needs too |
| 21:45.27 | KjetilK | for my HTPC, I have a nvidia card, there is hardly any alternative to it |
| 21:45.30 | pfred1 | KjetilK I just got done fighting with a junky ati card here that ended up on my shelf |
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| 21:45.44 | KjetilK | :-( |
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| 21:46.13 | pfred1 | KjetilK well it was no great shakes I bought it for $2 at a garage sale I see why the guy got rid of it now too |
| 21:46.42 | dvs | pfred1: Huh? That must be _really_ old! |
| 21:46.47 | v_v | hello. i got trouble compiling a kernel module. TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE undeclared. i searched the include files, and TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE is not present anymore. any changelog can tell me what the new name for this TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE ? |
| 21:46.59 | pfred1 | dvs it is a pci-e card |
| 21:47.05 | KjetilK | hehe |
| 21:47.19 | pfred1 | but it also is a POS too |
| 21:47.52 | pfred1 | when I finaly got it to accelerate it was hardly stellar then it prompty stopped working as well |
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| 21:48.35 | pfred1 | I never saw a video adapter do what it did before |
| 21:48.53 | sechrist | so I've looked at several debs that have postinst code to create users -- like haproxy, but the postrm doesn't remove the user |
| 21:48.56 | sechrist | any reason why? |
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| 21:49.09 | KjetilK | ok, got through it, now apt-get dist-upgrade again |
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| 21:49.18 | masterkorp | hello i how do i "force" a command to use a specific network interface ? |
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| 21:49.30 | pfred1 | KjetilK once you've changes your sources just upgrade |
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| 21:49.50 | dvs | pfred1: No, you need the kernel first, then udev, then the rest |
| 21:50.05 | pfred1 | KjetilK that was why I went from lenny to squeeze the stuff in lenny was just too old to get video accel to work |
| 21:50.15 | dvs | !tell KjetilK -about lenny->squeeze |
| 21:50.31 | pfred1 | dvs i was running a locally built kernel to begin with still am in fact |
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| 21:50.50 | KjetilK | dvs, yeah, I got it all |
| 21:51.38 | pfred1 | dvs but my udev is still broken to this day |
| 21:52.05 | dvs | pfred1: if you have a custom kernel then there's something misconfigured |
| 21:52.37 | KjetilK | hmmm, I had a custom kernel before upgrading to 2.6.32... |
| 21:52.43 | KjetilK | well, time will show :-) |
| 21:52.51 | pfred1 | dvs possibly but it might not have anything to do with anything and I'm fairly certainthat it is configured well enough |
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| 21:53.51 | cristi8 | hi, i want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. can squeeze run with the 2.6.26-2-686 kernel that i am running now? (in case i can't get some drivers work with the new one) |
| 21:54.04 | dvs | cristi8: no |
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| 21:54.16 | pfred1 | dvs it seems my cdrom.rules file is botched in some way but I've never seen a good one so I canot be sure |
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| 21:54.46 | cristi8 | dvs: can i test the new kernel first? |
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| 21:55.02 | dvs | cristi8: yes, get it through backports. |
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| 21:56.29 | cristi8 | dvs: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 ? |
| 21:56.34 | dvs | yup |
| 21:57.32 | cristi8 | dvs: thanks |
| 21:57.44 | dvs | np |
| 21:57.51 | pfred1 | there is a bigmem one too |
| 21:58.01 | homie | do they use xen to build the kernels ? |
| 21:58.06 | pfred1 | but they're both tooold for me |
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| 21:59.12 | cristi8 | should i let linux-base auto-update disk device IDs in system configuration? ..is it safe? |
| 21:59.15 | homie | i got a "running hpyervisor on bare chip blah" something on my dmesg |
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| 21:59.32 | homie | early on |
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| 22:00.28 | masterkorp | i have to network interfaces eth0 where i have local ethernet acess and eth1 where 1 have internet acess, but i can't have internet while eth0 is up, any idea how to slve this ? |
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| 22:01.42 | pfred1 | masterkorp I had issues with hal with 2 nics at one point and messing with the hal definitions solved things for me |
| 22:01.47 | dvs | cristi8: worked for me |
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| 22:02.22 | pfred1 | masterkorp things got really weird when I pilled a nic out and still had an eth1 but no eth0 |
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| 22:03.04 | pfred1 | really hal and udev make me want to puke they cause me more grief than solve problems |
| 22:03.07 | masterkorp | pfred1: my two networks work ok, but i think my apps chose eth0 instead of eth1 for going to the internet |
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| 22:03.29 | pfred1 | masterkorp yes there is a file in /etc that deal wit hthat the name escapes me |
| 22:04.05 | masterkorp | resolv.conf ? |
| 22:04.06 | pfred1 | and network manager if you're running it and avahi are not always helpful either |
| 22:04.26 | pfred1 | no let me look |
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| 22:04.36 | masterkorp | pfred1: i don't have any network manager |
| 22:05.05 | pfred1 | masterkorp /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:05.21 | pfred1 | that file controls who does what |
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| 22:05.55 | pfred1 | masterkorp you're sure about no network manager? |
| 22:06.27 | pfred1 | it is harder to get avahi out of debian anymore than a tick out of a dog |
| 22:06.34 | masterkorp | pfred1: it's a virtual machine without any X or anything, just apacahe, mysql and mongodb |
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| 22:07.12 | pfred1 | masterkorp well have you looked at /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 22:08.17 | masterkorp | here is my /etc/network/interfaces : [#debian] yes i co |
| 22:08.28 | masterkorp | http://pastebin.com/bQVqpykk |
| 22:08.29 | pfred1 | masterkorp between that and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules should be your whole networking deal |
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| 22:09.55 | masterkorp | pfred1: is there a tag or something like that that i should mark an interface ? |
| 22:11.32 | CissWit | a/win _1 |
| 22:11.37 | CissWit | Sorry for fail :) |
| 22:11.41 | pfred1 | masterkorp I don't know it is all too dumb complicated for me today |
| 22:11.52 | dvs | masterkorp: What I think you're looking for is "ifup" and "ifdown" |
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| 22:12.49 | masterkorp | dvs: can you explain that better ? |
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| 22:13.25 | dvs | masterkorp: "ifup" brings up a network connection while "ifdown" takes down a network connection. |
| 22:13.30 | pfred1 | dvs if his ingterfaces aren't connectged to the networks he wants them to be I can't see how bringing them up and down is going to help him out any |
| 22:13.55 | dvs | pfred1: he only wants one interface active at a time. |
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| 22:14.10 | pfred1 | dvs ah ha |
| 22:14.14 | masterkorp | dvs: no i want the two interfaces active |
| 22:14.23 | pfred1 | dvs usually if I have gtwo it is because i want two but to each their own |
| 22:14.34 | masterkorp | but i have the problem that with the two interfaces up i can't aceess internet |
| 22:14.44 | masterkorp | wihc is "eth1" |
| 22:14.54 | masterkorp | *wich |
| 22:14.56 | pfred1 | masterkorp yeah I can't imagine wny anyone would have hardware and not want ot use it |
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| 22:15.19 | pfred1 | masterkorp maybe your default route is wrong? |
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| 22:16.15 | masterkorp | pfred1: where do i check that ? |
| 22:16.27 | pfred1 | something like ifconfig add default route eth0 or eth1 whichever is your internet |
| 22:16.41 | pfred1 | ah route -n ? |
| 22:16.49 | pfred1 | been a while since I've had to deal with any of this |
| 22:17.14 | masterkorp | me too, i don't use debian for a long time |
| 22:17.25 | pfred1 | well not that i don't use it but it is working now |
| 22:17.45 | pfred1 | once you wrestle it it usually keeps on workinf so I get out of practice |
| 22:18.24 | KjetilK | hmmm, I got insserv: script K65whereami provides system facility $network, skipped!, and I see that whereami (which I don't really need), hasn't been modified since lenny, so I suppose the fault is the package's |
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| 22:18.53 | pfred1 | I have a different network topography these days don't do the dual nic firewall thing in a PC anymore i let a router and a switch deal with it all for me |
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| 22:19.13 | pfred1 | works prety good too |
| 22:19.47 | masterkorp | pfred1: where it is the output : http://pastebin.com/GjHsa6U7 |
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| 22:20.46 | masterkorp | i need to remove the last route right ? |
| 22:20.55 | raz | hmm |
| 22:20.56 | pfred1 | masterkorp it is going to mean more to you than me hopefully because I don't know what you're trying to do |
| 22:21.02 | raz | what generates the rules in /etc/udev/rules.d on boot? |
| 22:21.11 | raz | it keeps sticking the wrong network driver in there |
| 22:21.18 | pfred1 | masterkorp but at least you have something to look at now right? |
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| 22:21.52 | un214 | is there a file like /etc/hosts where I can map hostnames to mac addresses? |
| 22:22.04 | un214 | the machine gets an unstable IP but I know its mac |
| 22:22.25 | masterkorp | pfred1: yes |
| 22:22.34 | masterkorp | i neeed to remove the last route |
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| 22:23.23 | pfred1 | masterkorp I always add them but well man ifconfig del probably works with it as well |
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| 22:24.38 | pfred1 | masterkorp you might have to alter your eth1 gateway |
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| 22:25.31 | pfred1 | ain't no networking wizard ... |
| 22:26.14 | masterkorp | i just need to alter some routes |
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| 22:26.34 | pfred1 | well declaring gateways for interfaces seems to acffect routes as well |
| 22:27.17 | raz | hrm.. is there a way to ask lsmod *where* it loaded a module from? |
| 22:27.25 | un214 | no |
| 22:27.28 | raz | it keeps loading the r8169 driver, even after i deleted the .ko |
| 22:27.34 | un214 | check the initrd |
| 22:27.39 | un214 | or just rebuild it |
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| 22:27.47 | pfred1 | I don't know its all kooky ther eis a few things that all have to gel in order for things to d owhat you want htem to I think you have the variables all in hand now |
| 22:27.52 | raz | ah... initrd.. |
| 22:27.58 | raz | jesus.. |
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| 22:28.15 | un214 | and if there was a way to ask lsmod it would have reported the path you just deleted |
| 22:28.33 | raz | is there an easy way to rebuild initrd without that driver? |
| 22:28.51 | un214 | mkinitrd |
| 22:29.03 | masterkorp | does anyone recomend me a book about linux networking ? |
| 22:29.10 | pfred1 | don't you have to blacklist htem odule as well? |
| 22:29.22 | un214 | he deleted the module from disk |
| 22:29.24 | un214 | so no |
| 22:29.36 | raz | un214: mkinitramfs? |
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| 22:29.38 | pfred1 | it won't pick it up from the kernel source tree? |
| 22:29.41 | un214 | ah that's what it is |
| 22:29.46 | un214 | pfred1: no |
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| 22:30.38 | pfred1 | I go through the trouble of reconfiguring the kernel and rebuilding the modules when I run into the situtation |
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| 22:30.49 | raz | meh |
| 22:30.56 | raz | in what package is mkinitrd? |
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| 22:31.12 | pfred1 | debs uses oh whats it called today? |
| 22:31.16 | pfred1 | let me look |
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| 22:32.06 | un214 | update-initramfs |
| 22:32.15 | pfred1 | update-initramf |
| 22:32.17 | pfred1 | yes |
| 22:32.31 | un214 | ls /usr/sbin/*init* yielded a very fast answer |
| 22:32.34 | pfred1 | they can't leave well enough alone now can hey? |
| 22:32.41 | pfred1 | always changing |
| 22:32.44 | raz | hrm |
| 22:32.47 | raz | any hint on the options to use? |
| 22:32.48 | raz | -k all |
| 22:32.48 | raz | ? |
| 22:32.53 | un214 | is about to try new kernel |
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| 22:33.21 | pfred1 | yeah i have a few tweaks on this one i want to try but it is working so well I never got around to it |
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| 22:34.57 | pfred1 | actually update-initramfs isn't right I read a bit further in my notes and its mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.36.1 2.6.36.1 |
| 22:35.13 | pfred1 | pr something similar |
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| 22:36.12 | sechrist | I am authoring a deb, and I get warnings like this upon removal - "conffile '/etc/init.d' is not a plain file or symlink" |
| 22:36.21 | sechrist | Is there something I'm doing wrong with my init.d script? |
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| 22:39.46 | raz | blecvh |
| 22:39.54 | raz | stuck in initramfs now |
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| 22:39.59 | raz | "giving up waiting for root filesystem" |
| 22:40.04 | raz | can someone recommend a good usb stick rescue linux? |
| 22:40.38 | raz | i saved the old initrd, but seems i can't access the disk from this busybox that i ended uyp with |
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| 22:42.34 | Jarvis | raz: if the Debian install media wont let you in, try the system rescue cd, or a knoppix live disc |
| 22:42.43 | raz | have no cdrom in that box |
| 22:42.53 | Jarvis | you can put sysrec onto a usb disk |
| 22:42.57 | raz | looking for a stick linux now, just no idea which one doesn't suck |
| 22:43.04 | Jarvis | raz: easy way |
| 22:43.08 | Jarvis | if u have another machine |
| 22:43.11 | raz | debian sys resc? |
| 22:43.12 | Jarvis | unetbootin |
| 22:43.24 | Jarvis | it'll create OS usb bootable media |
| 22:43.30 | raz | ah thx for that |
| 22:43.42 | Jarvis | for debian and quite a few other dists uurc |
| 22:43.43 | Jarvis | *iirc |
| 22:44.07 | raz | urf.. a gui tool |
| 22:44.09 | raz | facepalms |
| 22:44.15 | Jarvis | lol |
| 22:44.28 | raz | isn't there something i can just dd onto the stick |
| 22:44.50 | Jarvis | raz: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 22:44.54 | raz | i only have osx and a headless linux box here |
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| 22:46.32 | raz | ah that looks better |
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| 22:55.51 | del_diablo | I have an external HD containing my old laptop HD, i removed xserver-driver-ati and xserver-driver-radeon, but it still won't boot. What flags do I need to enter with grub2 to get it booting into proper vesa modus? |
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| 22:59.27 | laurus | Which is preferable? mbox or maildir? |
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| 22:59.58 | homie | mbox |
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| 23:00.43 | homie | if you want 1000s of files in a directory go with maildir |
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| 23:01.26 | laurus | homie, in one directory? |
| 23:01.31 | laurus | Why would there be thousands in one directory? |
| 23:02.49 | thewanderer1 | well, as far as I can tell, there *are* thousands of files in my maildir |
| 23:02.53 | thewanderer1 | but I'm fine with that :P |
| 23:03.04 | laurus | Hahahaha ok. |
| 23:03.36 | laurus | Have you ever used getmail4? |
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| 23:04.26 | HardDisk_WP | anyone know of a USB-over-ethernet solution other than usbip? |
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| 23:08.09 | Jarvis | thewanderer1: 1 corruption to your mbx = byebe mail |
| 23:08.21 | Jarvis | 1 corruption to a file in your mailbox = 1 mail affected |
| 23:08.24 | raz | most imap servers use maildir |
| 23:08.26 | Jarvis | aye |
| 23:08.52 | raz | there's not much point going mbox these days |
| 23:09.10 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: no. glad I helped ;) |
| 23:09.19 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 23:09.34 | HardDisk_WP | somehow Windows client plus debian host don't play cool with my usb drives |
| 23:09.56 | cristi8 | i am upgrading lenny to squeeze, and some package wants to overwrite /etc/login.defs , and i am ok with that, but it wants to uncomment "UMASK 022". I am now having umask 027 in /etc/profile .. what should i do? go with umask 027 in login.defs, or comment out the umask in login.defs ? |
| 23:11.31 | Jarvis | iirc the profile definition of umask , would override the one from login.defs |
| 23:11.56 | Jarvis | if i remember correctly the login.defs are the defaults? |
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| 23:14.00 | Jarvis | if u want the default to be 027, accept the replacement,and just change the default in login.defs |
| 23:14.06 | Jarvis | and drop the one from /etc/profile |
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| 23:18.28 | Jarvis | if your imaging a live FS to an image, then its best to unmount it first |
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| 23:25.14 | raz | ok, restored the box to a bootable state |
| 23:25.17 | raz | back to my original question.. |
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| 23:25.26 | raz | how do i rebuild initrd *without* rendering the box unbootable? :) |
| 23:25.39 | raz | or how else do i prevent it from loading the r8169 module |
| 23:25.52 | Jarvis | you could blacklist that module |
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| 23:26.41 | raz | ok done and rebooting |
| 23:26.42 | raz | let's see |
| 23:27.25 | Jarvis | raz: did u rebuilt the initramfs as well ? |
| 23:27.47 | raz | Jarvis: i ran update-initramfs -c -k all |
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| 23:27.49 | cristi8 | i received an error when i ran "apt-get upgrade" to upgrade packages to squeeze :-( http://codepad.org/U4h8t92R |
| 23:28.00 | raz | afterwards it for some reason failed to mount the rootfs |
| 23:28.10 | raz | blacklist didn't help |
| 23:28.20 | raz | i guess it is indeed loading that goddamn module in initram |
| 23:29.05 | Jarvis | raz: try update-initramfs -u |
| 23:29.22 | Jarvis | and where did u blacklist it? |
| 23:29.25 | raz | Jarvis: update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 has been altered. |
| 23:29.29 | raz | update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option. |
| 23:29.35 | raz | in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 23:29.44 | Jarvis | ah ok |
| 23:29.48 | Jarvis | do -t -u |
| 23:30.06 | raz | done |
| 23:30.09 | raz | anything else or reboot? |
| 23:30.11 | Jarvis | try that and see if it works |
| 23:30.21 | raz | booting :) |
| 23:31.20 | Jarvis | cristi8: use dist-upgrade to go between revisions |
| 23:31.39 | raz | Jarvis: it booted, but still has the dreaded module |
| 23:32.03 | Jarvis | what did u put into the blacklist file raz |
| 23:32.06 | cristi8 | dpkg: tell cristi8 about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:32.20 | raz | Jarvis: blacklist r8169 |
| 23:32.46 | cristi8 | oops, he told me on private. well, dpkg say to run upgrade first, and then after reboot, dist-upgrade |
| 23:33.01 | Jarvis | raz: did u edit blacklist.conf? |
| 23:33.13 | raz | nope |
| 23:33.18 | raz | where is that? |
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| 23:33.36 | Jarvis | raz: iirc the file is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 23:33.40 | Jarvis | it should allready be there |
| 23:33.44 | raz | don't have that |
| 23:33.49 | raz | only blacklist, without .conf |
| 23:33.56 | raz | <-- lenny |
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| 23:34.23 | Jarvis | ah ,1 sec |
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| 23:34.54 | raz | ahh |
| 23:35.00 | raz | http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 23:35.01 | raz | trying this now |
| 23:35.23 | raz | and booting |
| 23:35.28 | Jarvis | aha :) |
| 23:35.35 | thewanderer1 | raz: so the module compiled, actually? |
| 23:35.46 | raz | thewanderer1: yes, but load fails with some error code |
| 23:35.56 | raz | even after unloading r8169 |
| 23:36.13 | raz | so now i wanna try with r8169 never been loaded, perhaps that screws something up |
| 23:36.21 | thewanderer1 | uh. still, you might want to get a gold cup placed in a visible place... |
| 23:36.36 | raz | huh? |
| 23:36.41 | raz | arrgh |
| 23:36.46 | raz | it's *still* loading it |
| 23:36.47 | Jarvis | cristi8: upgrade before changing to squeeze yes |
| 23:36.48 | thewanderer1 | "successfully compiled Realtek drivers" |
| 23:37.03 | raz | well, currently i'm failing to PREVENT the old one from loading |
| 23:37.25 | raz | i put "blacklist r8169" in /etc/modprobe.d/r8169.conf |
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| 23:37.27 | raz | and rebuilt initrd |
| 23:37.30 | raz | still loading |
| 23:37.35 | raz | wtf |
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| 23:38.52 | muddd | is there a channel discussing telephony equipment on freenode? |
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| 23:39.02 | muddd | you evil geniuses you |
| 23:40.12 | Jarvis | ah raz for the initrd on lenny, your gonna need to put something into /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
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| 23:40.32 | raz | "something"? ;) |
| 23:40.48 | Jarvis | i'm trying to find out exactly what :p |
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| 23:42.22 | Jarvis | raz: before running update-mkinitramfs unload the module first |
| 23:42.59 | Jarvis | if i'm reading this right it bases the initramfs, on the config , and on the modules currently loaded |
| 23:43.10 | raz | done and rebooting |
| 23:43.16 | raz | wonders who thinks this crap up |
| 23:43.19 | digilink | evening... are the volatile archives available for squeeze yet? I keep reading some conflicting info.... |
| 23:43.23 | Jarvis | shrugs :P |
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| 23:43.37 | cristi8 | If i run apt-get install, i receive a more detailed error: http://codepad.org/j38B49Q4 |
| 23:44.20 | raz | still loaded :( |
| 23:44.23 | Jarvis | cristi8: run apt-get install runit |
| 23:44.28 | raz | pounds head on keyboardf |
| 23:44.29 | Jarvis | and see what you get |
| 23:45.27 | cristi8 | Jarvis: same thing (exit status 10) |
| 23:45.49 | Jarvis | cristi8: codepade everything it says when u run apt-get install runit |
| 23:46.17 | Jarvis | raz: this is a hack but you could remove the non-functioning from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 23:46.23 | Jarvis | then update the initramfs |
| 23:46.27 | cristi8 | Jarvis: http://codepad.org/Fv3Wuq9c |
| 23:46.32 | Jarvis | that'll prevent it from loading completely |
| 23:46.38 | Jarvis | but there has to be another way around :/ |
| 23:46.43 | raz | Jarvis: i *did* |
| 23:46.49 | raz | the .ko doesn't exist anymore |
| 23:46.50 | Jarvis | :o |
| 23:47.16 | Jarvis | cristi8: what happens when you do apt-get -f install |
| 23:48.36 | Jarvis | raz: try running update-mkinitramfs -u -k all -t |
| 23:48.42 | Jarvis | last ditch attempt :/ |
| 23:48.46 | cristi8 | Jarvis: same thing (exit status 10) |
| 23:49.20 | Jarvis | ok ,lets try a different way try running: dpkg --configure runit |
| 23:49.33 | raz | Jarvis: done rebooting |
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| 23:50.48 | cristi8 | Jarvis: same problem ( http://codepad.org/YxAi5OcK ) |
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| 23:51.16 | Jarvis | 1 sec im gonna check what the postinst script does |
| 23:51.47 | raz | Jarvis: that made my box unbootable again.. |
| 23:51.56 | raz | rebooting from stick.. |
| 23:52.00 | Jarvis | :/ |
| 23:52.03 | Jarvis | thats weird |
| 23:52.56 | raz | probably some issue because this is a xen kernel |
| 23:53.17 | Jarvis | Xen? |
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| 23:53.19 | raz | and, as i learned earlier, debian isn't very good with that whole kernel thing |
| 23:53.20 | Jarvis | client or server |
| 23:53.26 | raz | server |
| 23:53.29 | raz | it's a -xen kernel |
| 23:53.33 | Jarvis | k |
| 23:53.51 | raz | getting the source for that was an adventure |
| 23:54.06 | Jarvis | which kernel version ? |
| 23:54.19 | Jarvis | .18? |
| 23:54.21 | raz | 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 23:54.24 | Jarvis | ah 26 |
| 23:54.39 | cristi8 | Jarvis: here is the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/runit.postinst , in case it helps: http://codepad.org/GeoU3R3t |
| 23:54.41 | Jarvis | how did u compile the kernel , kernel-package? |
| 23:55.14 | raz | Jarvis: yes, but only in the /usr/src/linux/debian/build/whatever tree, to have something to build that realtek module against. the installed kernel is still untouched and straight from the deb |
| 23:55.46 | raz | i think i'll just order some cheap nic at amazon and forget about this realtek crap |
| 23:56.23 | Cim | Hi, I have touchpad with multitouch and when I tap one finger its like LMB but when i tap two fingers its like RMB. In ubuntu 9.04 when I tap two fingers it was 3 mouse button and it was great. Can I change it in Debian Squeeze? |
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| 23:56.56 | Jarvis | cristi8: what do u get if u run ls -l /etc/inittab* |
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| 23:57.19 | cristi8 | Jarvis: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2081 Oct 10 00:08 /etc/inittab |
| 23:58.09 | Jarvis | cristi8: ok, what about ls -l /etc/runit/* |
| 23:58.46 | cristi8 | i don't have runit under etc |
| 23:58.53 | Jarvis | ok |
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| 23:59.42 | cristi8 | Jarvis: I do however have a line "SV:(...)" inside inittab |
| 23:59.44 | raz | oh..wow |
