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| 00:07.21 | streuner_ | seba_: might be a good question in #debian-boot (OFTC) or/and debian-boot |
| 00:07.46 | streuner_ | seba_: debian-boot ML |
| 00:08.25 | abrotman | or jus tlook ? |
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| 00:09.23 | streuner_ | seba_: you heard what abrotman told you, why do you just not find it out for youself? |
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| 00:10.15 | abrotman | he probably missed it in all that traffic |
| 00:11.14 | seba_ | why i didn't find it out for myself how to do this? |
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| 00:11.51 | abrotman | seba_: does the installation manual say either ? |
| 00:12.15 | streuner_ | !ig |
| 00:12.15 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.7) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 00:14.11 | abrotman | thanks streuner_, the helper bot |
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| 00:16.04 | ttiicc | I want to protect my home network and would like to create a firewall in my debian OS (Im also using the same machine for backup storage and other stuff) which firewall application would you guys recommend me? |
| 00:16.58 | yagoo | ttiicc, i would checkout squid |
| 00:17.23 | ttiicc | I have heard that debian is based on iptables, is squid also based on it? |
| 00:17.43 | yagoo | ttiicc, squid is a firewall application.. it's a proxy server |
| 00:17.46 | f00li5h | shorewall! |
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| 00:18.08 | dondelelcaro | ttiicc: you can use anything from ferm to ipmasq to shorewall or whatever else you want |
| 00:18.13 | ttiicc | what would you guys say abour firestarter? I have heard alot about it when I googled |
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| 00:18.30 | yagoo | ttiicc, you may not be ready to checkout squid if you haven't touched iptables/shorewall etc.. |
| 00:18.35 | dvs | ipmasq is no more :-( |
| 00:18.57 | ttiicc | Im new considering firewalls and iptables! |
| 00:19.12 | ttiicc | what would you guys say about firestarter? |
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| 00:34.12 | yagoo | ttiicc, you'll of course as you say read up about it.. i'd suggest understanding that a 'home network' cannot be serviced without a "nat" server.. |
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| 00:34.24 | yagoo | (or nat capability) |
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| 00:42.41 | ttiicc | an GUI would make it easier to lears iptables, I could focuse on the commands later! |
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| 00:44.42 | Bushmills | ttiicc: no, it won't |
| 00:45.45 | Bushmills | the GUI either introduces a level of abstraction - in which case you don't learn a lot about iptables -, or it doesn't, in which case you could just as well set up the firewall rules with iptables directly. |
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| 00:52.03 | ttiicc | hmm thanks for the insight! |
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| 01:07.10 | xinming | When we do upgrade, It asks us for upgrade is required, and there will be a icon indicates this, How do we remove the icon? |
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| 01:10.22 | xinming | Oops, sorry |
| 01:10.42 | xinming | When we do upgrade, It asks us "the system restart" is required, and there will be a icon indicates this, How do we remove the icon? |
| 01:10.58 | f00li5h | did you try restarting? |
| 01:11.38 | kj4 | lol |
| 01:11.56 | xinming | f00li5h: I don't want to restart, Since later I'll shut my system down. |
| 01:12.10 | xinming | But I don't want to see that icon in notification area either |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | xinming: it's under /var/ |
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| 01:12.50 | abrotman | or uninstall update-manager :) |
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| 01:13.08 | amphi | or gnome |
| 01:13.09 | Sazpaimon | how do I dump the contents of a screen to a file |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | terminal or X ? |
| 01:13.40 | Sazpaimon | or say I want to log the output of a currently running screen deaemon to a textfile |
| 01:13.44 | Sazpaimon | terminal |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: man script |
| 01:14.34 | Sazpaimon | this doesnt look like it can attach to an already running screen daemon |
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| 01:16.50 | abrotman | you use it before you run the command |
| 01:17.27 | Sazpaimon | so there's no way to make it work on an already running screen |
| 01:17.35 | Sazpaimon | alright, then |
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| 01:18.16 | abrotman | you could detach the screen then reattach when running script perhaps ? |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | and no, i cannot guarantee that would work |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | though screen has a copy mode |
| 01:21.06 | Sazpaimon | found an alternate solution, ended up sshing into the box using my windows machine and putty, then having putty log all the output |
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| 01:53.11 | maveas | What's up with the site? Can't download iso nor torrent.. Getting 404 |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | the site? |
| 01:55.15 | maveas | .org |
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| 01:56.14 | abrotman | you'll have to be more descriptive, there are many different servers in Debian |
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| 01:57.11 | maveas | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:57.42 | maveas | I'll just take a mirror.. |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/ .. seems fine to me |
| 01:58.16 | dvs | 5.0.7 is out |
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| 01:59.22 | maveas | dvs: and then? (: |
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| 01:59.59 | abrotman | no and then |
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| 02:02.20 | Tekk_ | I'm trying to build expect on my squeeze install but on configure it gives the warning that it can't find my tcl configuration definitions and then doesn't create the makefile |
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| 02:02.38 | Tekk_ | but I have tcl, expect, and all the dev packages I should need |
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| 02:09.22 | Tekk_ | nvm |
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| 02:39.43 | singingBird | hi |
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| 02:42.44 | DeathWolf | does anyone know how to make sure that ext4 extents are working properly? tune2fs says they're enabled at least at fs level |
| 02:45.27 | americandave | DeathWolf: I'd assume you're seeing 'extent' in tune2fs -l /path/to/device? |
| 02:47.16 | DeathWolf | yes americandave |
| 02:47.41 | americandave | DeathWolf: per the requisite man pages, I'd say you've got extents enabled |
| 02:47.53 | DeathWolf | Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery extent sparse_super large_file uninit_bg |
| 02:48.00 | americandave | DeathWolf: also, I don't believe extents 'live' anywhere outside the FS. |
| 02:48.03 | DeathWolf | I don't need to actually mount with an option, right? |
| 02:48.15 | DeathWolf | that was the only thing I worried about |
| 02:48.25 | DeathWolf | (kernel is a 2.6.36) |
| 02:48.45 | americandave | DeathWolf: I belive it's an option that's enabled by default at creation time. May/may not be toggleable |
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| 02:51.10 | DeathWolf | mmm... does fallocate guarantee 1 extent/file if possible, or will it just lazily attempt that |
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| 02:51.36 | DeathWolf | (on ext4) |
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| 02:53.48 | americandave | DeathWolf: just tried fallocate. neat. |
| 02:55.57 | DeathWolf | I'm just puzzled, rtorrent is supposed to now use it(finally) yet it still is giving me files with dozens of extents |
| 02:56.28 | DeathWolf | aha |
| 02:56.30 | DeathWolf | it might be a flag |
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| 02:58.19 | DeathWolf | mmm, the dealloc mount flag is supposed to be enabled by default though |
| 02:58.28 | americandave | DeathWolf: whatcha downloadin'? |
| 02:58.50 | DeathWolf | just various big isos |
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| 02:59.06 | DeathWolf | but on a fairly full disk with lots of movement, so delayed prealloc is a must:) |
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| 03:01.46 | DeathWolf | actually it might be off |
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| 03:09.25 | zophy | does ext3 have any sort of history playback ? |
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| 03:13.34 | Cityscape | Hello. I'm thinking about switching to Debian 5 from Ubuntu 8.04. What would you say the main differences are? |
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| 03:15.22 | Cityscape | For example, what versions of software (VLC & Firefox) are included in debian and how fast is debian compared to Ubuntu? |
| 03:18.47 | abrotman | you can check package versions at packages.debian.org/vlc for example |
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| 03:19.49 | Cityscape | lenny (stable) (graphics): multimedia player and streamer |
| 03:19.49 | Cityscape | 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3 [security]: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
| 03:19.49 | Cityscape | 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2: mips |
| 03:20.09 | seeker7 | need refreshed on compileing a c++ program and then command line to run the a.out |
| 03:20.11 | Cityscape | so it would have version 0.8.6 then right? |
| 03:21.11 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: Version numbers don't really compare directly, because debian packages get different patches than Ubuntu in some cases. |
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| 03:21.50 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: Speed's going to be pretty much the same on equivalent hardware - there's very little real performance difference among distributions. |
| 03:22.03 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: Boot speed varies because of different start-up systems. |
| 03:22.55 | Cityscape | I have old hardware. There was a huge difference between Ubuntu 8.04 and 10.10. |
| 03:23.01 | gandhijee | hey does anyone know the openDNS nameserver IP's? |
| 03:23.13 | abrotman | Cityscape: really, you'd have to try it to see |
| 03:23.15 | Cityscape | 8.04 runs nice and 10.10 was barely usable |
| 03:23.22 | abrotman | gandhijee: 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 03:23.36 | Cityscape | but thanks for your help, I'll get Debian. |
| 03:23.46 | gandhijee | i can't get to the page because my ISP's DNS servers are being silly |
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| 03:23.46 | abrotman | gandhijee: uhm, no, that must be google |
| 03:23.56 | abrotman | 208.67.222.222 |
| 03:23.56 | abrotman | 208.67.220.220 |
| 03:24.09 | abrotman | should have just asked the bot |
| 03:24.17 | abrotman | wonders how gandhijee got to IRC |
| 03:24.23 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: Some of the things that make 10.10 run worse _are_ present in the testing release of Debian, but some of the problems are being worked out. |
| 03:24.32 | gandhijee | i was already connected before they went down |
| 03:24.34 | gandhijee | thanks |
| 03:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: There are performance differences between versions of linux components. |
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| 03:25.58 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: One of the things that's happening is that xorg is pushing graphics handling into the kernel for better 3D performance on newer hardware, and that's causing some older hardware to have serious problems. |
| 03:27.10 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: There's also the whole push for a "3D Desktop", which means the default desktops are long on "features" like jiggly windows and short on basic function, especially for older hardware. |
| 03:27.12 | seeker7 | I have used gcc filename g++ filename neither compiles my c++ file |
| 03:27.38 | jhutchins_lt | Cityscape: Debian avoids this better than some distros. |
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| 03:29.57 | jhutchins_lt | seeker7: Is this something you wrote or something you downloaded? |
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| 03:31.16 | suckme | fuck fuck fuck lalala |
| 03:31.22 | suckme | fuck fuck fuck lalala |
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| 03:31.40 | Neurotrophin_ | Is it just me or are all the links to get iso images under this site broken? http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
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| 03:32.05 | dvs | Neurotrophin_: 5.0.7 just came in |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: link? |
| 03:33.02 | abrotman | Neurotrophin_: they haven't updated the website yet, but the ftp is fine .. change the 5.0.6 to 5.0.7 |
| 03:33.26 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: N'mind, I see it's in the topic. |
| 03:33.36 | abrotman | for like the whole day! |
| 03:33.37 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:33.42 | abrotman | and there was an email about it! |
| 03:33.55 | dvs | that's how i know |
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| 03:34.18 | Neurotrophin_ | I am a little afraid to do that.. I just spent a solid week every day trying to get oracle php drivers to work.. and got it working on 32-bit debian (for x86)... but not 64-bit version.. I need to stick to exactly the version I finally got it to work on.. and try to replicate that. |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | i know because i was updated dvs's computer .. and i saw some updates that looked funny |
| 03:34.28 | Neurotrophin_ | I REALLY HATE ORACLE... |
| 03:34.37 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:34.40 | abrotman | Neurotrophin_: if you look at the release notes, PHP hasn't changed |
| 03:34.51 | abrotman | very few changes actually |
| 03:34.53 | abrotman | !5.0.7 |
| 03:34.53 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.7 was released on November 27th, 2010. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101127 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 03:34.59 | abrotman | see the ChangeLog |
| 03:35.18 | Neurotrophin_ | ok |
| 03:35.25 | abrotman | or ht efirst link has an html version |
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| 03:36.07 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: It's my day off. |
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| 03:36.48 | abrotman | so you're here? |
| 03:37.04 | seeker7 | jhutchins_lt: something i wrote i am trying to brush up on my c++ skills |
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| 03:39.03 | icesword | hi |
| 03:39.08 | Cityscape | To get a standard Debian system with all the default programs, do I need to download the CD or DVD? |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | Cityscape: the netinst is usually the preferred method |
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| 03:41.32 | icesword | how to see all free apps of debian? |
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| 03:42.01 | abrotman | the ones in 'main' ? |
| 03:42.28 | icesword | yes |
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| 03:43.03 | abrotman | get the Packages file? |
| 03:43.04 | Cityscape | abrotman: I have limited bandwidth. Does the CD have have the base system and the default applications? or do I require the DVD? |
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| 03:43.51 | abrotman | you'll use less bandwidth over all using the netinst |
| 03:44.08 | dclarke | noob question .. I just installed xtightvncviewer and would like to see all the files just addedd to the system .. is there a way to do that with apt-get or dpkg ? |
| 03:44.27 | abrotman | dclarke: dpkg -L |
| 03:44.30 | dclarke | notes that abrotman may live here |
| 03:44.34 | dclarke | thank you ! |
| 03:44.34 | icesword | nope, just name them by categories |
| 03:44.44 | dclarke | seems like whenever I fall in .. you're here |
| 03:44.50 | abrotman | sorry :) |
| 03:45.03 | abrotman | icesword: that doesn't make sense .. what are you trying to do ? |
| 03:45.21 | dclarke | abrotman: I was definately saying thank you .. in a large way |
| 03:45.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | have fun! |
| 03:45.39 | dclarke | notes to put abrotman on the company Christmas gift list |
| 03:45.51 | Cityscape | abrotman: how much for netinst? I also want to install on several PC's. I'd rather use optical media. |
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| 03:46.03 | abrotman | Cityscape: then get DVD1 .. we can't stop you |
| 03:46.26 | Cityscape | abrotman: what does the CD contain? |
| 03:47.02 | icesword | isn't there a url for that sort of thing? |
| 03:47.37 | abrotman | icesword: packages.debian.org ? |
| 03:47.39 | icesword | i don't know its location |
| 03:47.46 | Cityscape | I just want the base programs like Firefox, media player etc. , I can install the rest. |
| 03:47.48 | abrotman | Cityscape: a chunk of gnome and X |
| 03:48.00 | abrotman | Cityscape: it probably has some browser, and some media player |
| 03:48.05 | un214 | how big is all of main? |
| 03:48.20 | abrotman | Cityscape: yeah, get CD1, then get the rest from the internet .. probably better than using the DVD |
| 03:48.33 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
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| 03:48.40 | icesword | kk |
| 03:49.04 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22936 packages, 1934 maintainers, 58753 MB installed size, 20596 MB compressed size. |
| 03:50.00 | nevyn | dstats need repo size. |
| 03:50.11 | nevyn | or is that the 20gig number? |
| 03:50.18 | WormFood | !dstats sid |
| 03:50.22 | nevyn | cause I thought the repo was much bigger than that. |
| 03:50.49 | abrotman | nevyn: that's a single arch, and a single version of debian .. 20GB isn't a lot ? |
| 03:50.59 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 30548 packages, 2198 maintainers, 99084 MB installed size, 37129 MB compressed size. |
| 03:51.01 | nevyn | no sources ... |
| 03:51.22 | nevyn | abrotman: that's all archs tho right. |
| 03:51.27 | WormFood | if I don't update a sid machine a year, how likely do you think it is to break when I do upgrade it? (I expect it is very likely to break) |
| 03:51.31 | nevyn | oh one arch. |
| 03:51.44 | un214 | not all that likely |
| 03:51.46 | abrotman | WormFood: probably .. but if you haven't updated sid in a year, you've got other issues |
| 03:53.04 | WormFood | it was on my unused laptop...I just got a new laptop and copied the old drive over....*trying* to update it now... "Resolving dependencies...open: 43; closed: 41582; defer: 29135; conflict: 38" |
| 03:54.54 | WormFood | I read that squeeze was being frozen, in preparation for moving to stable....When do they release the next "testing" branch after that? (is there a web page that explains that?) |
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| 03:55.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | can somebody refresh my memory on what x means in term of permissions |
| 03:55.17 | WormFood | execute |
| 03:55.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | execute right? |
| 03:55.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | that means??? |
| 03:55.39 | WormFood | it is an executable, that you can just type in the name to run |
| 03:55.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | execute on /dir? |
| 03:55.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok how about directories with x |
| 03:56.03 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 03:56.03 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 03:56.06 | icesword | ./ name |
| 03:56.21 | Cityscape | abrotman: okay thanks a lot. where can I get Debian from? I tried here (http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/) but when I click on i386 I get an error. |
| 03:56.47 | abrotman | Cityscape: change 5.0.6 to 5.0.7 and it sohuld work |
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| 03:57.15 | rothwell | 'lo, anyone using selinux on squeeze? |
| 03:57.32 | dvs | abrotman: dont steal my line! |
| 03:57.34 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:57.51 | abrotman | okay .. have fun! |
| 03:57.56 | dvs | heh |
| 03:58.03 | un214 | I hope not |
| 03:58.37 | Cityscape | abrotman: it worked, now which is the one I should choose? |
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| 03:59.36 | abrotman | Cityscape: CD1 .. that's what you asked for |
| 04:00.16 | WormFood | Cityscape, you may want to consider a netinstall, if you're not doing your install offline. |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | we already went over that |
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| 04:02.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | execute right? d my script ty |
| 04:03.30 | WormFood | Eryn_1983_FL, yeah, you'll want to set the execute bit for scripts, if you don't want to call it with the shell (ie. "bash ./myscript.sh") |
| 04:03.59 | Cityscape | WormFood: everyone is recommending netinstall (which I don't like the idea of because I want debian on several computers). |
| 04:04.32 | WormFood | Cityscape, I also have the same issues, which is why I configure squid to be a "transparent proxy", with a large cache |
| 04:04.36 | JakDaRippa | don't know much about linux, but i just finished installing debian in an old box, plugged in my n900 via usb and...nothing. wtf??? |
| 04:04.38 | tharkun | Cityscape: netinstall + apt-cacherng and you are all set |
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| 04:05.20 | tharkun | use one machine as the caching machine and you can do multiple installs in a matter of minutes |
| 04:05.46 | Cityscape | sorry, I very new to Linux world. I'm trying to "wean" myself off Ubuntu on to a distro like debian |
| 04:06.01 | Cityscape | what your saying doesn't mean much to me |
| 04:06.12 | JakDaRippa | Cityscape, i just did a netinstall and it went very well. i don't know crap about linux |
| 04:06.23 | kj4 | Cityscape, good idea! takes some effort but it is worth it |
| 04:06.27 | WormFood | JakDaRippa, I have a N800, which is similar to the N900...and to Linux, without special software, it just looks like a USB flash drive. |
| 04:06.49 | Cityscape | But i'd rather have a CD. |
| 04:06.50 | JakDaRippa | WormFood, so what do i do? |
| 04:07.13 | tharkun | Cityscape: you get one cacher that will "cache" all packages. Meaning it has a copy of all the packages your basic install will need. Use the netinstall to begin the i |
| 04:07.19 | Cityscape | as long as the CD has Debian with GNOME and a few default programs I'll be happy |
| 04:07.33 | WormFood | kj4, how much effort did it take for you? I just installed squid and reconfigured it to cache larger items (bigger than 20 meg), and increased the size of the diskcache...then configured iptables to redirect outbound port 80 connections to squid |
| 04:07.37 | Cityscape | does the CD have that? |
| 04:08.05 | JakDaRippa | WormFood, /dev shows a bunch of usb's. how do i know which one to mount? |
| 04:08.10 | Cityscape | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/bt-cd/, which one here is the CD i need? |
| 04:08.15 | WormFood | JakDaRippa, I don't know what you're trying to do with it. Honestly, you'd probably get a better response from #maemo |
| 04:08.18 | tharkun | process and tell the machines to get the rest of the install through your cacher and you will have one heck of a fast install |
| 04:08.56 | JakDaRippa | WormFood, i'm just trying to copy some pics onto my pc and vice-versa |
| 04:08.59 | WormFood | JakDaRippa, it should mount automatically, if you did a standard install...try typing "mount", and see if it is already mounted (most likely in /mount/XX) |
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| 04:09.20 | WormFood | oops, I mean most likely in /media |
| 04:10.28 | JakDaRippa | WormFood, nope. only my 2 hdd's. no usb |
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| 04:11.08 | JakDaRippa | goin to maemo...thanx |
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| 04:11.18 | WormFood | check your kernel logs (tail -F /var/log/messages or dmesg|tail) and see if you can see the kernel recognize the usb |
| 04:11.36 | Cityscape | could someone please help me find the CD i need. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 04:12.33 | WormFood | Cityscape, do you want to do an offline install, and forget about the cache, like the rest of us suggested? |
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| 04:14.22 | dclarke | sorry to come back with another noob question .. however , I have a nexternal USB attached harddisk that was formatted on Window 7 ( ntfs probably ) thus I wonder two things (1) how do I detect the dev entry for this external disk and (2) can I mount it read only or otherwise ? |
| 04:14.55 | un214 | well it will have /sdx1 |
| 04:15.07 | Cityscape | Well I didn't really understand what you all meant. I was thinking that a CD would be best so I could install on multiple computers. |
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| 04:15.39 | dclarke | un214: well ls /dev/sd* reports a pile from /dev/sda /dev/sda2 /dev/sda4 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde /dev/sda1 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 |
| 04:15.52 | un214 | uh no check /dev/sd?1 |
| 04:16.15 | dclarke | astra:~# ls /dev/sd?1 says /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 |
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| 04:16.22 | dclarke | okay .. its one of them |
| 04:16.26 | dclarke | I guess |
| 04:16.29 | un214 | it's never sda |
| 04:16.34 | dclarke | true ! |
| 04:16.51 | dclarke | I'll use parted to check the partition tables on them |
| 04:16.56 | carandraug | dclarke, it should show up if you run "fdisk -l" |
| 04:17.13 | un214 | I like carandraug's answer |
| 04:17.27 | dclarke | carandraug: that is a beautifule tool ! |
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| 04:18.13 | carandraug | dclarke, it will also tell you whether is ntfs, fat or whatever (from your question, seems you're not sure) |
| 04:18.25 | un214 | just to note: all fixed disks and cdroms appear before usb entries |
| 04:18.46 | WormFood | Cityscape, if you want an offline copy of debian, it will take several DVDs or a spindle of CDs. |
| 04:18.47 | Cityscape | WormFood: yes, id prefer the offline CD install. Unless there is some huge disadvantag. |
| 04:18.51 | un214 | unless of course you have a hotswap sata card (most don't) |
| 04:18.51 | dclarke | see http://www.pastebin.ca/2005276 |
| 04:19.07 | WormFood | yes, there is a huge disadvantage....you have to download EVERYTHING |
| 04:19.17 | dclarke | okay .. looks clear to me now |
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| 04:19.34 | dclarke | I have to go read the man page for mount to get options for ntfs |
| 04:19.46 | carandraug | dclarke, your /dev/sdd looks a mess |
| 04:20.26 | dclarke | yeah .. that is buggered up thanks to the nice folks at HP |
| 04:20.46 | dclarke | they sell this external HP disk but it has a hard PROM based partition on it |
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| 04:21.12 | dclarke | it autoboots and acts like a CDROM with an windows autostart executable thingy in it |
| 04:21.22 | dclarke | and .. you can not change the partition table |
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| 04:21.36 | carandraug | dclarke, oh, I know. I ahve the same thing on a WD external HD. Can't get rid of it |
| 04:22.05 | dclarke | yeah .. hellish annoying |
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| 04:22.25 | dclarke | hrmmm ... I don't have parted .. this is a fresh install I wonder what package parted is in |
| 04:23.14 | dclarke | I just want to say .. debian rocks |
| 04:23.17 | carandraug | dclarke, what do you want parted for? I think the package is named parted |
| 04:23.22 | Cityscape | WormFood: really okay then I'd rather do the net install. |
| 04:23.56 | dclarke | I was running windows 7 ultimate 64-bit edition and I finally got pissed off at it and formatted this to the ground and installed lenny .. I replace what I needed with Opera browser, openoffice and a few other things and .. I'm happy |
| 04:24.07 | dclarke | astra:~# aptitude install parted |
| 04:24.10 | dclarke | got it |
| 04:24.21 | dclarke | I just want ot see the partition table on sdd |
| 04:24.43 | dclarke | Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 8225kB 319GB 319GB primary ntfs |
| 04:24.50 | dclarke | sorry .. on sdc |
| 04:24.58 | dclarke | so I have to mount sdc1 I guess |
| 04:25.31 | WormFood | Cityscape, spend the extra time to install squid, and configure your installing machines to use squid, and squid will cache what you download for you....it is the best of both worlds....you only download what you need, once |
| 04:26.52 | Neurotrophin_ | Why does apt-get purge php5 not remove /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ? |
| 04:26.59 | carandraug | dclarke, that.s right. you have to mount sdc1 as ntfs "mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /path_to_mount_point" |
| 04:27.38 | Cityscape | WormFood: I've never used Debian so i'll need someone to help me |
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| 04:27.46 | dclarke | carandraug: I was just reading the man page for the ntfs options and I'll need to set uid=value, gid=value and umask=value such that I ( as a user ) can access the files there |
| 04:28.26 | carandraug | dclarke, why not mount it simply as read only? |
| 04:28.44 | dclarke | by default the files will be owneed by root .. not me |
| 04:28.55 | carandraug | dclarke, just add the -r option "mount -r -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /path_to_mount_point" |
| 04:29.37 | carandraug | dclarke, oh! Ok, sorry. I thought your problem was the opposite |
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| 04:30.33 | WormFood | Cityscape, setup another machine with debian...do a basic netinstall, and install squid on it....then when you install your other machines, point them to the squid server you just setup |
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| 04:36.35 | dclarke | carandraug: well ... my attempt to mount he ntfs fs fails with [ 5789.285225] NTFS-fs warning (device sdc): is_boot_sector_ntfs(): Invalid boot sector checksum. |
| 04:36.40 | dclarke | lovely |
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| 04:37.05 | carandraug | dclarke, what command did you use? |
| 04:37.25 | dclarke | carandraug: mount -v -t ntfs -o noatime,noexec,nosuid,ro,uid=16411,gid=1001 /dev/sdc /mnt |
| 04:37.55 | dclarke | then bad things happen |
| 04:38.22 | carandraug | dclarke, the command is bad. It should have been /dev/sdc1 <-- you forgot the 1 |
| 04:38.47 | dclarke | face palm |
| 04:38.57 | dclarke | good catch ! |
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| 04:39.07 | dclarke | here I was thinking .. wtf did I do now ? |
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| 04:39.46 | euphoria1 | can i setup wireles connection on debian server? |
| 04:39.49 | euphoria1 | with no gui |
| 04:40.19 | WormFood | of course....you can do nearly everything on Linux without a GUI. |
| 04:40.37 | euphoria1 | how to? |
| 04:40.40 | dclarke | carandraug: beauty .. its mounted fine and all the stuff in there is owned by me as a user and not root |
| 04:40.40 | WormFood | in fact, I just setup my wireless connection in the console, before I booted x11 |
| 04:40.43 | dclarke | cool |
| 04:40.43 | euphoria1 | i need to conect to wifi spot |
| 04:41.06 | WormFood | euphoria1, wireless under Linux is fun....be prepared to read |
| 04:41.13 | euphoria1 | wii |
| 04:41.14 | euphoria1 | :) |
| 04:41.15 | euphoria1 | let me read |
| 04:41.31 | WormFood | what you need to do, depends on what type of network you're connecting to...if it is no encryption, then it is very straight forward |
| 04:41.46 | carandraug | dclarke, two things. Why didn't it mount automatically if you're using Gnome? Also, I think nowadays ntfs-3g is to be used instead of ntfs |
| 04:41.53 | euphoria1 | its encrypted |
| 04:41.54 | euphoria1 | of course |
| 04:41.55 | euphoria1 | :) |
| 04:42.19 | WormFood | if you need to connect to a wep network, it is also pretty easy, but the other methods require a little more work (not much...check out wpa_supplicant) |
| 04:42.19 | dclarke | carandraug: I'm running KDE and .. as for ntfs-3g .. I was not aware of such a beast :-\ |
| 04:42.43 | euphoria1 | wap |
| 04:42.46 | euphoria1 | its wap |
| 04:42.47 | WormFood | euphoria1, you'll want iwconfig to configure the wep |
| 04:42.49 | carandraug | dclarke, I would have guessed even KDE automounts |
| 04:42.52 | dclarke | carandraug: and I'm from the Solaris world so I'm fine with a manual mount command |
| 04:42.57 | euphoria1 | WormFood its wap security |
| 04:42.57 | WormFood | yes, you're connecting to a WAP, but is it WEP? |
| 04:43.01 | WormFood | no it isn't |
| 04:43.03 | euphoria1 | sec |
| 04:43.07 | WormFood | WAP == Wireless Access Point |
| 04:43.24 | euphoria1 | WPA |
| 04:43.25 | euphoria1 | sory |
| 04:43.31 | euphoria1 | its WPA security |
| 04:43.45 | WormFood | yes, WPA requires the use of wpa_supplicant....read up on that, and you should be online quickly |
| 04:43.56 | euphoria1 | how to be online |
| 04:43.57 | euphoria1 | ? |
| 04:44.02 | euphoria1 | when i have no internet cant be online |
| 04:44.06 | WormFood | I just connected to my first WPA network in ages, today...it was trivial....I'll explain real quick |
| 04:44.12 | carandraug | dclarke, ok then. You can install ntfs-3g and use it as argument to the -t option. It should have better support than ntfs |
| 04:44.13 | euphoria1 | ok |
| 04:45.14 | dclarke | carandraug: I don't plan to move this external HP disk around much so I may just lay down a ext3fs on it and life gets better |
| 04:45.42 | dclarke | with it mounted .. I can copy all that stuff out of it .. reformat .. then restore |
| 04:45.48 | WormFood | euphoria1, use wpa_passphrase to make your wpa_supplicant config file, for example "wpa_passphrase essid password > mynet.conf" |
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| 04:46.32 | WormFood | euphoria1, then start wpa_supplicant with that config file, for example: "wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan3 -cmynet.conf" |
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| 04:47.05 | carandraug | dclarke, that's probably best. You can have a second partition, a few MB in size with a FAT partitino where you have the drivers to mount ext on windows. Useful when you want to connect to a friends computer that still uses windows |
| 04:47.35 | dclarke | carandraug: I'm trying to convert both the hard disk and those friends over :-) |
| 04:47.38 | WormFood | euphoria1, then in your /etc/network/interfaces, you can add the line "iface wlan3 inet dhcp", then start it with "ifup wlan3" |
| 04:47.41 | miksuh | Hi. I just tried to upgrade from lenny -> squeeze, but yje upgrade fails with this deopendency error: |
| 04:47.43 | un214 | anybody got ext2 drivers for vista x64? |
| 04:47.44 | miksuh | 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-common for openoffice.org-voikko, probably a dependency cycle.' |
| 04:48.14 | miksuh | should that be reported as a bug in openoffice.org-common or openoffice.org-voikko |
| 04:48.48 | miksuh | yje = the |
| 04:49.12 | WormFood | un214, I forget what I used to read ext2 under w7-64, but google is your friend. |
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| 04:57.52 | dclarke | question .. is there a way for me to check if my system has working sound drivers ? I'm trying to figure out where the audio dev is and why there is no sound |
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| 05:04.08 | carandraug | dclarke, try aplay |
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| 05:04.55 | dclarke | carandraug: at a hunch I tried vlc |
| 05:05.11 | dclarke | carandraug: I'll try aplay and see why I get no sound thus far |
| 05:05.18 | carandraug | dclarke, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
| 05:05.35 | dclarke | k .. let me try that |
| 05:06.31 | carandraug | that's the base test for alsa (trick I learned with arch linux) |
| 05:06.39 | dclarke | carandraug: not good http://www.pastebin.ca/2005371 |
| 05:06.45 | karlpinc | !alsa checksheet |
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| 05:07.02 | karlpinc | !alsa checklist |
| 05:07.02 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 05:07.30 | dclarke | let me read that |
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| 05:10.14 | dclarke | AlsaMixer v1.0.16 says Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x809 Chip: USB Mixer looks good |
| 05:11.11 | dclarke | nope .. does not work for root even |
| 05:11.12 | dclarke | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 05:11.12 | dclarke | aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 05:11.42 | dclarke | list alsa users ? |
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| 05:13.09 | carandraug | dclarke, see "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
| 05:13.52 | karlpinc | dclarke: That <> syntax means you message the bot, in your IRC client type: /msg dpkg list alsa users |
| 05:14.23 | dclarke | carandraug: http://www.pastebin.ca/2005389 |
| 05:14.30 | dclarke | carandraug: thats looks good to me |
| 05:14.35 | stupidguide | damn |
| 05:14.46 | stupidguide | W0rmF00d how to setupit when i dont have internet connection |
| 05:15.02 | dokma | how can I tell that my kernel is utilizing multiple cores? |
| 05:15.14 | dclarke | carandraug: if anything I have too many audio cards :-\ |
| 05:15.19 | carandraug | dclarke, it shows 2 cards for sound. The error you got from aplay was complaining about not finding one of them |
| 05:15.21 | dokma | is it possible to have wrong kernel installed and use only one core out of two? |
| 05:15.33 | dclarke | carandraug: odd ... |
| 05:15.37 | karlpinc | dokma: Not that I know of. It used to be, long ago. |
| 05:15.50 | dclarke | carandraug: wound be a real sin if Windows 7 could play sound and this could not :-) |
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| 05:15.56 | dokma | ok so running 2.6.26 is certainly using both |
| 05:16.04 | karlpinc | dokma: You can use top to see usage, or cat /proc/cpuinfo to see what the kernel knows exists. |
| 05:16.27 | dokma | karlpinc: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows 2 cores but top does not |
| 05:16.32 | dokma | that's why I posted the question |
| 05:16.55 | karlpinc | dclarke: You might (or might not, I'm audio clueless) get better support from a newer kernel from backports.debian.org. |
| 05:17.07 | dclarke | carandraug: I think I need to use alsamixer -c 1 |
| 05:17.12 | carandraug | dclarke, well, I don't know much sound. The debian wiki says to run alsaconf |
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| 05:17.50 | dclarke | carandraug: oh .. I'll read man pages |
| 05:17.58 | dclarke | carandraug: I'm sure its a simple conf thingy |
| 05:18.11 | dclarke | carandraug: it is not as if I don't have the audio hardware here |
| 05:18.14 | carandraug | dclarke, alsamixer is to adjust the sound levels. You got an error from aplay so it's shouldn't be that |
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| 05:18.54 | karlpinc | dokma: man top, see '1' command. |
| 05:19.15 | carandraug | dclarke, if you have more than 1 sound card, it uses the number 0 as default. That is not always right so you need to change the order they are loaded. You can read how here http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 05:19.23 | dokma | karlpinc: ahhh ... that was it |
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| 05:19.54 | dclarke | carandraug: thanks .. you're being top notch. btw I ran alsaconf and it almost looks plug and play now |
| 05:20.17 | carandraug | dclarke, so it's working now? |
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| 05:21.49 | dclarke | carandraug: nope .. not yet |
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| 05:23.13 | carandraug | dclarke, well, no idea how to help you. Always had those built-in intel sounds cards that don't give problems so not much experience there |
| 05:23.38 | dclarke | AlsaMixer v1.0.16 now says lots of good stuff ... feels like progress |
| 05:23.57 | dclarke | Card: NVidia CK804 Chip: Realtek ALC655 rev 0 etc looks correct |
| 05:24.04 | carandraug | going to sleep, it's past 5:20am here. Good luck setting that up |
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| 05:24.49 | dclarke | carandraug: thanks for the help ! |
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| 05:46.02 | Pinchiukas | Ok, how do I change the timezone on an installed system? :) |
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| 05:46.38 | corretico | hello |
| 05:47.16 | corretico | somebody know about this error when I use vlc-nox [00000268] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `MP43'. |
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| 06:29.18 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/D75uXZmr I have this in my lighttpd error.log. that god.txt is a malicious perl script. How do I figure out how to stop this from happening? |
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| 06:47.28 | Cityscape | how easy is a netinstall for a beginner? |
| 06:48.14 | cahoot | probably doable if you have a wired netconnection |
| 06:49.01 | kj4 | Cityscape, i found it easy |
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| 06:50.32 | kj4 | Cityscape, any experience with other linux? |
| 06:50.35 | Cityscape | okay thanks |
| 06:50.47 | Cityscape | quite a bit with Ubuntu |
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| 06:56.24 | crazyjd | during installation after the installation binaries have been loaded the installation fails |
| 06:56.31 | crazyjd | I only installed the base system |
| 06:56.40 | crazyjd | and and grub |
| 06:56.48 | crazyjd | and rebooted |
| 06:56.58 | crazyjd | now my gnome and other things are missing |
| 06:57.29 | crazyjd | I gave the command apt-get install gnome on reboot but its asking for CD .. so I inserted the CD |
| 06:57.38 | crazyjd | but my Debian CD isn't being recognized |
| 06:57.47 | crazyjd | can some1 help me out here regarding this |
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| 07:03.21 | Cullz | hi |
| 07:03.54 | Cullz | regarding the repositories, are more specific repositories available as iso's? for example multimedia stuff |
| 07:04.44 | Cullz | just setting up a laptop of the pre-ethernet variety, so installing everything from cd's |
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| 07:05.56 | vtts | Cullz, apt-zip might help |
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| 07:07.39 | Cullz | thanks, i'll look for this |
| 07:07.50 | Cullz | have been using; apt-cdrom add |
| 07:07.54 | Cullz | aptitude update |
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| 07:09.07 | KindOne | I am using a shell on a debian server, I am trying to figure out the version of debian? can someone help me? |
| 07:09.17 | vtts | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:09.46 | KindOne | thank you |
| 07:10.20 | KindOne | vtts: thank you very much |
| 07:10.27 | kj4 | I did /etc/debian_version and got squeeze/sid which is it? |
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| 07:11.07 | vtts | kj4, squeeze |
| 07:11.44 | cahoot | sure? my sid expresses the same |
| 07:12.23 | vtts | well squeeze i'm using also says "squeeze/sid" |
| 07:12.27 | jelly-home | kj4: check youe /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:13.13 | jelly-home | !version |
| 07:13.14 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 07:14.30 | kj4 | lsb_release -a worked right for me (squeeze) |
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| 07:18.05 | Cullz | vtts, does apt-zip come with debian or do i need to get the .deb's and add it in? |
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| 07:20.59 | johntramp | hi. i have a dual monitor setup which was working fine the other day, but after restarting X one of the monitor's colours are all washed out. have any of you any idea what could cause this or what i can do to fix it? cheers |
| 07:22.52 | dokma | johntramp: what makes you so sure it is not hardware related? did you try to switch the monitors or plug it into another machine... |
| 07:23.10 | johntramp | it was working fine until i restarted X |
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| 07:23.54 | johntramp | i only just set up the dual monitors that day, and it was working fine when i first set it up |
| 07:24.11 | dokma | johntramp: did you change anything in the config? |
| 07:24.32 | johntramp | xorg.conf? no |
| 07:24.45 | johntramp | i have only been calling xrandr from cli |
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| 07:24.48 | dokma | did you try to reboot the machine? |
| 07:24.50 | johntramp | no |
| 07:25.09 | dokma | well.... try all that elementary stuff like cables, reboot etc |
| 07:25.10 | johntramp | do you think that is worth a try? |
| 07:25.19 | johntramp | alright |
| 07:25.23 | dokma | I just recently had one of mine monitors stop working |
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| 07:25.36 | dokma | it turned out that the power cable has 2 parts and they got disconnected |
| 07:25.40 | dokma | bizzare |
| 07:26.05 | linux_probe | >_> |
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| 07:38.01 | johntramp | dokma: haha that reboot somehow fixed it... reminds me of ms windows |
| 07:38.42 | dokma | pheewwww.... that crappy ms windows behaviour made me switch in the first place |
| 07:39.20 | dokma | thank God I did... I'd never be half the programmer I am today without the access to the code of the software I use |
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| 08:22.46 | WormFood | I had downloaded a 32-bit program, that I can't get to work under Debian. Now I was under the impression, that a vast majority of 32-bit software would work fine on a 64-bit system, as long as we had the 32-bit libraries it needed...other than software that works very tightly with the OS, under what conditions would a 32-bit program not be compatible? |
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| 08:40.21 | bolt-work_ | WormFood: what program? where did you get it from? how did you install it? how are you trying to run it and how is it not doing so? |
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| 08:41.20 | jelly-hme | WormFood: try providing more concrete data instead of a generic question. how did you verify all the required libraries were installed? |
| 08:41.35 | WormFood | bolt-work, it is a chat program, I downloaded it from the company's web site. It is a tarball, so there is no installing it, just extract and execute....and I don't have the computer in front of me, so I can't tell you the exact error message (but can probably find it in a few minutes) |
| 08:41.57 | jelly-hme | WormFood: what chat program? |
| 08:41.59 | WormFood | jelly-hme, I was looking for a generic answer. I wasn't looking for specific help with this program. |
| 08:42.02 | WormFood | jelly-hme, qq |
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| 08:42.30 | bolt-work | WormFood: the generic answer, like jelly-hme hinted at, is that you probably don't have the required libraries for it |
| 08:42.57 | WormFood | other than lacking 32-bit libraries, and software that work tightly with the kernel, what other problems would 32-bit software have running on a 64-bit system? |
| 08:43.46 | jelly-hme | WormFood: oh. Could be any number of things: missing or different libs than it was built against; missing locale settings; buggy app |
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| 08:44.06 | jelly-hme | !tell WormFood about ABI |
| 08:44.15 | WormFood | a missing locale setting would affect 32/64-bit software? |
| 08:44.23 | WormFood | I mean, affect one and not the other? |
| 08:44.25 | jelly-hme | WormFood: read the wiki page abot what ABI means. |
| 08:45.21 | WormFood | I know what ABI means |
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| 08:45.37 | jelly-hme | you don't seem to realize the implications. |
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| 08:47.22 | WormFood | obviously I don't, if a locale setting would break a 32-bit program, on a 64-bit system...that does not make much sense to me |
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| 08:47.52 | jelly-hme | that wasn't about locale settings, but libs |
| 08:48.30 | WormFood | yes, I understand the deal with libraries |
| 08:49.23 | jelly-hme | so you realize a slightly different build of same library, or a slightly different version of it, might make an old binary not work correctly |
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| 08:50.52 | jelly-hme | the library needn't be necessarily missing |
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| 08:52.45 | WormFood | yes, I'm also aware of that. |
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| 08:53.09 | jelly-hme | that's an option you didn't mention |
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| 08:54.40 | WormFood | not specifically, but I was trying to word my question to exclude library issues. |
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| 08:55.27 | Argafal | hi, I was looking for vim-spellfiles (for swedish, german and spanish). It seems they got removed at some point - can anyone recommend a trustworthy source? |
| 08:55.28 | WormFood | I said "...as long as we had the 32-bit libraries it needed..." |
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| 08:55.51 | jelly-hme | WormFood: the only way you can exclude them with certainty is if your vendor explicitely created their binary to work in Debian. |
| 08:56.08 | jelly-hme | (the same release you're trying to use) |
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| 08:56.29 | WormFood | I'm trying to understand other potential issues between 32-bit and 64-bit systems. |
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| 08:57.53 | jelly-hme | WormFood: a reasonably interesting thing to try is installing Debian i386, and booting it with an -amd64 kernel. You'll have completely 32bit userspace and a 64bit kernel. |
| 08:57.55 | WormFood | from my understanding, having the proper 32-bit libraries is probably the biggest thing to making 32-bit software work on a 64-bit system under Linux (I've had various 64-bit vs. 32-bit issues on winblows) |
| 08:58.53 | WormFood | yeah, you're right. I hadn't thought of that before, but it should work....I'm supposing that would be a good test platform for troubleshooting issues like this, you think? |
| 09:00.16 | jelly-hme | it's almost the same as having a chrooted i386 installation on an amd64 system |
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| 09:01.25 | WormFood | cool idea, thanks for the tip jelly-hme, I'll have to play around with that (probably do it under a virtual system) |
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| 09:05.24 | WormFood | and one thing that really, really pisses me off about this program I'm trying to make work, is the fact that the Winblows version of the software supports multiple languages, the Linux version is only in Chinese. |
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| 09:06.03 | jelly-hme | if it's not in Debian, complain to the vendor |
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| 09:07.15 | WormFood | of course it isn't debian......I wished it was, at least then I'd have the option to get source code |
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| 09:13.04 | Ben5 | does anyone know when stable version of squeeze will be available? |
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| 09:13.43 | Sm0ke0ut | No |
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| 09:14.18 | cydork | !wwsr |
| 09:14.18 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
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| 09:15.48 | Ben5 | 소무나! |
| 09:15.52 | Ben5 | thanks! |
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| 09:19.50 | crazyjd | during installation after the installation binaries have been loaded the installation fails. I only installed the base system and and grub and rebooted now my gnome and other things are missing, I gave the command apt-get install gnome on reboot but its asking for CD .. so I inserted the CD but my Debian CD isn't being recognized can some1 help me out here regarding this |
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| 09:21.34 | WormFood | I installed squeeze from a netinstall cd the other week, and when it first booted, it came up in a high res text screen (larger than 80x25 or 80x50)...but after that, it went back to 80x25.....how do I make it stay in that higher resolution that it initially defaulted to? |
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| 09:26.00 | macrobat | !siyh |
| 09:26.00 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 09:39.52 | macrobat | i don't know if this might be a bios or grub issue: when i plug in a new hdd, i can't boot. i get grub error 5 in stage 1.5 . i use uuids in menu.lst |
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| 09:40.19 | i0i | Hey it seems when you install php5-cgi you get two executables... /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 and /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 09:40.35 | i0i | according to diff they're different but they're the same size... no hardlink, no symlink |
| 09:40.50 | i0i | anyone know why there is two (presumably subtly different) copies? |
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| 09:42.12 | macrobat | knowing nothing about php, i would guess /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 is a library |
| 09:42.59 | i0i | macrobat: they're both EFL binaries |
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| 09:43.21 | macrobat | ok, then i know even less :D |
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| 09:48.23 | delby | hi. i just installed squeeze on a machine that already had xp and lenny. at the grub stage of the install it said it found both other operating system so i let it install grub (in effect reinstall as i already had installed from lenny). |
| 09:49.07 | delby | when i rebbot, the grub menue only shows me the new sqweeze and the boot dir. does not have menu.lst. what shall i do? |
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| 09:55.02 | at0m | delby: grub2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg and user settings are in /etc/default/grub |
| 09:56.25 | at0m | delby: grub-install checks that default/grub to make grub.cfg |
| 09:56.57 | delby | at0m: thanks. any idea why xp and lenny not showing even though it said it found them during install? |
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| 09:57.08 | at0m | delby: osprober checks for other installed OS's and adds them |
| 09:57.23 | at0m | maybe you dont have osprober installed? |
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| 09:57.33 | at0m | maybe os-prober |
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| 09:58.24 | delby | i used the netinst squeeze iso, and the prober did find them during install, just did not add them to the menu |
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| 10:00.00 | at0m | delby: you can run grub-install again as root, then check grub.cfg for the entries. if they're not showing, "aptitude install os-prober" and re-run grub-install |
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| 10:00.31 | delby | thanks. will do |
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| 10:04.40 | Oli``` | How long is a stable release supported for (new packages, security updates, etc)? |
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| 10:06.04 | zeev | Hi, I try to establish a VPN connection (pptp) using my gnome network manager - but it doesn't react when I click on the connection... does this manager has log files somewhere to see what the problem is? |
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| 10:22.51 | shalok | Why is netbeans-ide in unstable and stable but not testing? |
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| 10:25.16 | dondelelcaro | shalok: because of #506294 |
| 10:25.46 | dondelelcaro | shalok: coupled with the fact that it is currently QA maintained |
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| 10:28.07 | reber | hi. How to install a font on the system and make it available to the whole system ? |
| 10:28.38 | reber | !install font |
| 10:28.39 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy them into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
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| 10:34.48 | delby | at0m: simply running grub-update solved the problem :) |
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| 10:47.50 | ma-ks | !pl |
| 10:47.50 | dpkg | methinks pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 10:59.15 | TAsn-work | Hey guys, how do I remove a package but don't remove the packages that depend on it? |
| 11:00.07 | TAsn-work | nvm actually. |
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| 11:04.00 | tgywa | Does anyone know why this command doesn't work ? |
| 11:04.24 | tgywa | # dd if=/var of=/home/user1/var.image |
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| 11:06.18 | dondelelcaro | tgywa: because /var isn't a block device |
| 11:06.42 | dondelelcaro | (or even more succinctly, /var isn't a file) |
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| 11:07.19 | dondelelcaro | tgywa: you probably want dd if=/dev/whateverdeviceisvar of=/home/user1/var.image; |
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| 11:07.48 | petemc | or to use a more conventional method to backup var |
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| 11:08.46 | tgywa | dondelelcaro, thank u ... am checking that |
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| 11:13.15 | Vutral | hey |
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| 11:13.43 | Vutral | can someone help me finding a package which contains the modules for a special debian kernel |
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| 11:14.40 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: the kernel package itself contains the modules |
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| 11:15.33 | Vutral | dondelelcaro, i need to name of that package for debian 5.0.4 |
| 11:16.18 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: linux-image-*; |
| 11:16.53 | rozie | Vutral: http://packages.debian.org |
| 11:17.22 | Vutral | Package: linux-image-2.6-amd64 Status: purge ok not-installed Priority: optional Section: admin |
| 11:17.23 | Vutral | mhm |
| 11:17.50 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: what is your real question? |
| 11:17.59 | Vutral | well i am trapped in a rescue system |
| 11:17.59 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 11:18.00 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 11:18.29 | Vutral | i need to put a the kernel and modules of the kernel of the rescue system onto the root drive |
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| 11:18.41 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: why? |
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| 11:19.01 | Vutral | it makes it easier to fix it because i then just can pivot_root |
| 11:19.33 | Vutral | i restore the functionality of the production system and then got time to fix the problem |
| 11:19.51 | Vutral | the rescue system got an other kernel than the root drive |
| 11:20.50 | Vutral | well the root filesystem is on a linxu software raid and the bootloader failed |
| 11:21.06 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: so you're running grub? or lilo? |
| 11:21.10 | Vutral | its grub |
| 11:21.14 | Vutral | i dont got lilo installed |
| 11:21.21 | Vutral | and its a really old version of grub |
| 11:21.27 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: and does grub start loading? or what? |
| 11:21.39 | Vutral | it doesnt initialize the serial console speed |
| 11:21.43 | Vutral | even thought its written in the menu.lst |
| 11:21.48 | Vutral | so i guess there is something else wrong |
| 11:22.13 | Vutral | but i cant read it without the console speed set |
| 11:22.19 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: so you're only using a serial console? or what? |
| 11:22.27 | Vutral | i only can use the serial console |
| 11:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Vutral: do you get any output to the serial console? |
| 11:22.47 | Vutral | yes but its unreadable |
| 11:22.55 | Vutral | i cannot switch the console speed |
| 11:23.03 | Vutral | else i would have searched for the right speed on the terminal |
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| 11:35.04 | rkhshm | for dh_link .. if i specify link like this "/usr/../lib/something /usr/lib/dest.lib" will dh_link understand that ? |
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| 11:42.17 | brahman | Vutral: GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --unit=0 --speed=4800 --word=7 --parity=even --stop=1" |
| 11:42.54 | rdw200169 | headless server ftw... |
| 11:43.40 | rdw200169 | i miss the old installers that set up a serial console, so i wouldn't have to do it myself ... *grumble* |
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| 11:51.41 | ma-ks | !pl |
| 11:51.42 | dpkg | somebody said pl was polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 11:55.32 | loca|host | how can i set my startup services within each init mode ? just like chkconfing on redhat systems ? |
| 11:56.15 | cahoot | man update-rc.d |
| 11:58.50 | cahoot | ...or rcconf |
| 11:59.10 | k-man | my tv-out stopped working when i upgraded |
| 11:59.42 | k-man | and its an ati radeon rv5216 chip |
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| 12:02.15 | compaq | help, I need to make room on my disk, I have two partitions, /home and /, / is full |
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| 12:03.13 | cahoot | compaq: /var/cache/apt is emptied? |
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| 12:03.49 | masterkorp | can i make any "deep" test for my ethernet card ? |
| 12:04.22 | cahoot | compaq: /var/cache/apt/archives rather |
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| 12:04.44 | Nepherius | Hey , did anyone manage to run fulltilt poker on debian ? |
| 12:05.07 | compaq | cahoot, thanks, let me trythat |
| 12:05.19 | cahoot | compaq: just run aptitude clean |
| 12:05.21 | compaq | cahoot, although I think so, cause I did apt-get clean |
| 12:05.25 | cahoot | ok |
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| 12:07.46 | masterkorp | any sugestion ? |
| 12:07.53 | compaq | How do I run du on / with out including /home |
| 12:09.31 | compaq | can I delete kdecache? |
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| 12:11.27 | compaq | can you specify to du to show only results bigger than say 50mb? |
| 12:11.35 | Vutral | lol |
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| 12:19.00 | Bushmills | compaq: du -S | sort -n |
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| 12:22.12 | compaq | Bushmills, that shows only the big files? |
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| 12:23.05 | Bushmills | compaq: take a guess at what "sort" does |
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| 12:26.39 | Bushmills | alternatively, try du -S | awk '$1>5000000' |
| 12:27.19 | compaq | its my lib directory, that is most full, then bin and then openoffice |
| 12:27.29 | compaq | maybe I'll remove open office, cause I never use it |
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| 12:29.00 | Bushmills | check out mount --bind |
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| 12:30.49 | masterkorp | can i make any "deep" test for my ethernet card ? |
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| 12:32.29 | compaq | of I have a bunch a package marked for uninstall in Aptitude, how can I undue those marking, or how can I make no files mark for uninstall |
| 12:34.21 | Coweater | in the actions menu there's a "cancel pending actions" |
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| 12:34.50 | bolt-work | is there a debian way of compiling and installing a tar.gz (Clementine)? to generate some kind of a ad-hoc package or something to the installation can be controlled? |
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| 12:34.59 | abrotman | !tell bolt-work about stow |
| 12:35.02 | abrotman | !tell bolt-work about checkinstall |
| 12:35.36 | compaq | How do I access the Actions menu of Aptitude, what is the keystroke? |
| 12:35.39 | bolt-work | abrotman: sweet! thank |
| 12:35.41 | bolt-work | s |
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| 12:37.02 | Coweater | Ctrl-T |
| 12:37.05 | michas | Hi, is there a way to find all conffiles of a debian system, which have been changed manually after installation of the package? (At least the update scripts seem to be able to decide this.) |
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| 12:38.32 | compaq | Haha, you can just access the top menu of aptitude with the mouse |
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| 12:41.40 | Bartzy | if I have a file with du -h output (some sizes are bytes (no suffix), some are K/M/G)... how can I sort the lines from small to big ? :| |
| 12:41.50 | compaq | are there any files in root directory I can delete, cause my hardddrive if full |
| 12:42.08 | vtts | Bartzy, do not use -h |
| 12:42.09 | axelis | Since the last update (issued yesterday) i have been having issues trying to run Compiz & and an OpenGl game that used to play fine on my system. When i try to activate Compiz the frame of windows get messed up and when i try to run the game i get a "warning: The VAD has been replaced by a hack pending a complete rewrite K2 - Fatal Error: CHost::Init() - Unable to find a suitable FBConfig". Any suggestions regarding my problem ? Thank you. |
| 12:42.10 | compaq | I have two partitions, /home and /, and / if full, /home is fine |
| 12:42.25 | themill | Bartzy: in squeeze, sort has a -h option too. |
| 12:42.26 | Bartzy | vtts: But then I want to change it to -h output... |
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| 12:42.43 | Bartzy | themill: AMAZING. thanks! |
| 12:42.54 | Bartzy | I love linux |
| 12:42.54 | vtts | Bartzy, then substitute s/K/000/,s/M/000000/,... |
| 12:43.47 | themill | Bartzy: yeah, just don't get too used to all these new fangled extensions on the GNU tools and then have to deal with some ancient unix box that doesn't have them installed. It's a world of pain having to relearn everything. |
| 12:44.14 | Bartzy | themill: Sure, it's just for quick and dirty capacity planning |
| 12:44.18 | Bartzy | vtts: Thanks too. |
| 12:45.47 | masterkorp | i can't find the /dev/xxx for my sagem fast 800, i installed the firware and itr runing ok (at least is what dmesg says) |
| 12:45.58 | rozie | hello. After wajig update on one machine I get: |
| 12:46.01 | masterkorp | can anyone help me finding that ? |
| 12:46.01 | rozie | dselect: no access method is selected/configured |
| 12:46.28 | rozie | google isn't helpful in this matter |
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| 12:46.45 | rozie | on the other machines it runs fine. any ideas? |
| 12:47.14 | rozie | masterkorp: why do you want /dev/ for this modem? |
| 12:47.34 | rozie | I mean: you can make it run without such a knowledge |
| 12:47.43 | masterkorp | rozie: how ? |
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| 12:48.05 | masterkorp | i am using wvdial, but wvadialconf doesn't find it |
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| 12:48.21 | rozie | well. didn't we talk about it? |
| 12:48.24 | depesz | hi. i got "debian testing" server, and I wanted to build deb with nginx from sid. i got the 3 source files from http://packages.debian.org/sid/nginx and tried to build |
| 12:48.41 | depesz | it fails: http://privatepaste.com/f18db39a35 |
| 12:48.48 | depesz | any idea what might be wrong? |
| 12:49.11 | masterkorp | rozie: what ? |
| 12:49.15 | rozie | masterkorp: http://wonder.pl/index.php/Debian-Etch-eagle-atm (PL, use google translate) |
| 12:49.35 | rozie | this is way to get this modem running with pppd |
| 12:49.51 | rozie | no wvdial or other fancy tools, but runs... |
| 12:50.08 | rozie | masterkorp: somebody asked same question not so long ago |
| 12:50.31 | masterkorp | rozie: oh, it was me sorry, i never had tried with that |
| 12:50.50 | rozie | ;) |
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| 12:52.32 | depesz | rozie: may I ask for your eyes for a moment for my problem? |
| 12:52.34 | masterkorp | rozie: is just creating the /etc/pppoe.conf and runing your shell script right ? |
| 12:52.50 | depesz | rozie: you helped me once already, so any chance for repeat? |
| 12:52.57 | abrotman | ha! |
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| 12:54.48 | rozie | depesz: go ahead |
| 12:55.01 | depesz | rozie: have you seen my 3 lines 5 minutes ago? |
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| 12:55.26 | depesz | rozie: sumamry: nginx sources from sid on debian testing, manual "fakeroot debian/rules binary" fails with: http://privatepaste.com/f18db39a35 |
| 12:55.27 | albatrossen | Is there any ad-hoc standard for version numbers when you have both nightly builds and released versions, could not find anything on it in the version section of the debian policy manual |
| 12:55.44 | SNow | 8 |
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| 12:56.44 | rozie | depesz: are you trying to package nginx by yourself? |
| 12:57.05 | depesz | rozie: well - i'm trying to make .deb out of sources from sid. |
| 12:57.11 | depesz | rozie: major reason - version. |
| 12:57.16 | themill | albatrossen: if you last released version 2.1 and will next release version 2.2, then you could use either 2.1+svn1234 or 2.2~svn1234 for the upstream version component, depending on whether you are seeing this as an update to an existing version or a prerelease to the next version (and you are sure what your next version will be) |
| 12:57.36 | rozie | depesz: if this is only version, you can take a look on backports.debian.org |
| 12:57.55 | rozie | for building package for myself I use |
| 12:58.00 | depesz | forgot about backports. checking nginx there |
| 12:58.01 | rozie | dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:58.12 | themill | albatrossen: If you want to use something that's not going to sort nicely like a git commit id, then use ~yyymmdd-gitABCDEF or similar. |
| 12:58.26 | depesz | rozie: on backports nginx is also 0.7.x |
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| 12:59.32 | albatrossen | themill, thanks that helped me a lot; hope that info gets included in the policy manual someday |
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| 13:00.16 | themill | albatrossen: it's better for devref than for policy (and I thought it was there somewhere already). /msg dpkg devref |
| 13:00.19 | dondelelcaro | albatrossen: it's something that's more appropriate for the developer's reference; iirc, it's already there |
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| 13:00.24 | depesz | rozie: hmm dpkg-buildpackage dies on unmet dependencies. to libgd2-noxpm-dev :( |
| 13:00.48 | depesz | rozie: which I can't use, as it uninstalls libgd2-xpm-dev, which in turn is required for another package on the system |
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| 13:02.45 | albatrossen | themill, dondelelcaro : I apologize for my ignorance, I have never heard of the devref, and it didn't show up in my google searches; I'll read it right away |
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| 13:03.42 | themill | albatrossen: you might want to "/msg dpkg version compare" to check how versions are sorted. My use of ~ in one example and + in the other was entirely deliberate, btw. |
| 13:04.34 | albatrossen | yea think I saw it documented in a man page somewhere as well |
| 13:04.36 | rozie | I'd cd /usr/src/nginx/nginx-0.8.53 and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:04.37 | masterkorp | rozie: where do i install the rp-ppoe.so plugin ? |
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| 13:06.03 | rozie | depesz: I build on separate system (chroot) |
| 13:06.22 | depesz | rozie: hmm ... that makes some sense. thanks. |
| 13:06.29 | depesz | rozie: are you physically in .pl ? |
| 13:06.49 | masterkorp | rozie: where do i install the rp-ppoe.so plugin ? |
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| 13:07.37 | rozie | depesz: yes |
| 13:07.53 | krushik | how can i make my sound card to be card 0 instead of card 1? |
| 13:08.00 | masterkorp | rozie: where do i install the rp-ppoe.so plugin ? |
| 13:08.21 | rozie | masterkorp: can't remember |
| 13:08.23 | depesz | rozie: which city? |
| 13:08.28 | rozie | depesz: poznañ |
| 13:08.36 | depesz | rozie: ah. far from me. :( |
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| 13:09.18 | Bartzy | there's some tool that takes K/M/G numbers and turn them all into M, or K or just bytes ? |
| 13:09.32 | Bartzy | I want to add up a lot of those numbers... but some can be K, some M and some G |
| 13:09.35 | themill | Bartzy: just leave off -h :) |
| 13:09.51 | Bartzy | themill: I already did -h, the execution took forever.. |
| 13:09.55 | Bartzy | it's a big server :) |
| 13:10.12 | Bartzy | so I don't want to run it again if I can work with what I have |
| 13:10.37 | vtts | Bartzy, sed 's/K/000/;s/M/000000/;s/G/000000000/' filename |
| 13:10.44 | Bartzy | thanks. |
| 13:11.17 | Bartzy | and just remove dots ? |
| 13:11.24 | vtts | what dots? |
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| 13:12.16 | themill | vtts: it will currently read 2.4M etc |
| 13:12.23 | Bartzy | yep |
| 13:12.27 | rozie | depesz: where are you from (city)? and are you the one who is the magician of postgres? |
| 13:13.05 | rozie | (well whois says, that you are ;)) |
| 13:13.07 | depesz | rozie: warsaw (well, suburbs of warsaw to be exact). not sure if magician is the word, but I am often related to postgresql. |
| 13:13.57 | rozie | depesz: you can try #debian.pl on ircnet |
| 13:14.01 | Bartzy | :| |
| 13:14.11 | Bartzy | removing the dots doesn't work :p |
| 13:14.29 | depesz | rozie: not on ircnet, unfortunately, and my irc client already has too many tabs/windows. |
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| 13:26.02 | masterkorp | i can't connect using this tut (http://translate.google.pt/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwonder.pl%2Findex.php%2FDebian-Etch-eagle-atm) it gives me this output http://pastebin.com/fmJJxsFX |
| 13:26.06 | masterkorp | any help ? |
| 13:26.10 | zxd_ | why isn't output of anything in the /scripts/nfs-premount/ shown in the console |
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| 13:27.55 | aguitel | how install kernel 2-6-37-xx in squeeze ? |
| 13:28.02 | jelly | zxd_: perhaps you'll find this helpful: /msg dpkg debug initramfs |
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| 13:29.07 | aguitel | how install kernel 2-6-37-xx in squeeze ? |
| 13:29.22 | depesz | rozie: thanks a lot - did the build in chroot with required -dev, and then installed in main system - works like a charm. |
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| 13:30.48 | rozie | depesz: np ;) |
| 13:30.56 | jelly | aguitel: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 13:30.56 | masterkorp | rozie: any help ? |
| 13:31.06 | rozie | depesz: I'd stick to databases if I were you |
| 13:31.08 | rozie | ;-) |
| 13:31.23 | jelly | aguitel: read the linked factoids as well. |
| 13:31.24 | rozie | masterkorp: try harder? |
| 13:31.34 | depesz | rozie: well - got to deal with my own server |
| 13:31.37 | masterkorp | rozie: already tried |
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| 13:33.28 | zxd_ | damit |
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| 13:35.58 | edgars_ | yo |
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| 13:37.48 | aguitel | anyone installed grub-customizer in debian ? |
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| 13:38.40 | vtts | Bartzy, perl -le 'my %u=("",0,'K',3,'M',6,'G',9); print $1*(10**$u{$2})." $3" while (<> =~ /^([\d\.]+)(\w|)\s+(.*)/)' < FILENAME |
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| 13:38.58 | Bartzy | thanks :) |
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| 13:40.03 | Bartzy | vtts: Works, so cool :) |
| 13:41.46 | jargon- | i've got no menu.cfg but i need to add "acpi_sleep=s3_bios" at the kernel line in grub. where do i do this? |
| 13:42.11 | vtts | jargon-, grub2 or grub-legacy? |
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| 13:43.14 | vtts | anyway: grub2: /etc/default/grub grub-legacy: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:43.45 | jargon- | vtts: which one of these files am i to edit? http://dpaste.com/281116/ |
| 13:44.36 | vtts | jargon-: pastebin output from "dpkg -l | grep grub" |
| 13:45.22 | jargon- | vtts: http://dpaste.com/281117/ |
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| 13:47.20 | jargon- | vtts: i see i have /etc/default/grub how do i add acpi_sleep=s3_bios? just paste it in there on a new line? |
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| 13:49.38 | vtts | jargon-, add it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX |
| 13:50.04 | vtts | and then do update-grub |
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| 13:52.05 | jargon- | vtts: ok trying that now |
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| 13:54.36 | jargon- | vtts: that worked. thank u :-) |
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| 13:56.06 | BusMaster | i have an embedded mpc5200 (powerpc) processor based board which can take a compact flash card. I can already boot a kernel to the point where it panics because there is no root fs (and works with a ramdisk). My question is: How can I install debian-for-powerpc on a compact-flash card such that I can pass a root=/dev/sda1 option to my kernel and have a working debian system? I tried EmDebian, but the stuff documented doesn't actually work |
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| 13:58.33 | abrotman | BusMaster: FWIW, there is a #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:58.49 | abrotman | BusMaster: so basically, you just want to untar the root filesystem onto your flash card? |
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| 13:59.57 | BusMaster | abrotman, asking 'anyone home?' on that channel yielded no result :( Yeah, I want a working rootfs on the compact flash card (and it'd be nice to add packaged to the card when I realize that I've forgotten something) |
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| 14:00.13 | allblack | Can you recommend me an 10G ethernet card that has iscsi offloading and works ok under Debian? |
| 14:00.46 | abrotman | BusMaster: they used to have a base.tar.gz, but i don't see that anymore |
| 14:00.48 | BusMaster | abrotman, its a 4 gig CF card, I need about 2 gig free for my application.. I don't care about making a minimal system..it should fit in 2 gigs and should work. |
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| 14:01.36 | abrotman | BusMaster: the easy answer is doing it on real hardware ... |
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| 14:02.43 | BusMaster | abrotman, how? I am already at a point where I can boot the kernel with a ramdisk and mount the CF card under /mnt. Where do I go from there? Also, there is no grub (the system uses a bootloader called U-boot) how do I avoid grub? |
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| 14:03.07 | abrotman | BusMaster: i meant install it on real hardware, tar that up, copy to your flash |
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| 14:04.35 | BusMaster | abrotman, real hardware as in my own laptop? (but my laptop is amd64, not powerpc). I do have access to the CF card through a usb card-reader though..is there a way to install a powerpc distribution on the compact flash through my laptop? |
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| 14:05.23 | abrotman | qemu can emulate ppc last i knew .. not sure how well |
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| 14:09.12 | lyakh | hi, does anyone know, how I can reduce all the modern smart TAB-expansion back to plain stupid just-give-me-the-file(s)-that-begin-like-that behaviour? |
| 14:09.19 | lyakh | (in squeeze) |
| 14:09.43 | abrotman | in what in squeeze? |
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| 14:11.22 | lyakh | abrotman: in bash, sorry |
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| 14:15.31 | abrotman | lyakh: there's a bash-completion package you may want to look at |
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| 14:33.23 | Lalloso | my debian_version contains squeeze/sid |
| 14:33.35 | Lalloso | shouldn't it be just one of the two? |
| 14:33.37 | mirz | i can't believe this is lingering in Stable: bug #526398 |
| 14:34.13 | themill | dpkg: tell Lalloso about squeeze/sid |
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| 14:34.55 | lelu | ive just used aptitude to install rrdtools and cant find where it has been installed to. i was expecting it to be found in /usr/local/libs |
| 14:35.21 | themill | lelu: nothing in debian will be in /usr/local. dpkg -L $packagename |
| 14:35.28 | abrotman | mirz: which part of the bug? |
| 14:36.38 | lelu | themill: well now its saying that rddtool is not installed when i just saw it sucessfully complete the install :/ |
| 14:36.51 | themill | lelu: check your spelling |
| 14:37.12 | mirz | abrotman: the part where it mounts a dirty filesystem read/write? |
| 14:37.18 | D4rKr0W | how does debian handle cpan stuff? |
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| 14:37.28 | D4rKr0W | is it safe to cpan upgrade on lenny? |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | mirz: the bug was resolved apparently .. you could patch in the change .. or append the bug and ask why it hasn't been considered for a lenny point release |
| 14:37.55 | stew | D4rKr0W: /msg dpkg dh_make_perl |
| 14:39.25 | lyakh | hm... ok, that was exactly the time, when my DSL decided to reconfigure... has anyone replied with anything to my TAB-completion question? |
| 14:39.41 | abrotman | lyakh: there's a bash-completion package you may want to look at |
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| 14:41.10 | D4rKr0W | thanks stew |
| 14:41.45 | lyakh | abrotman: I've already deinstalled that one... |
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| 14:43.08 | lyakh | ...but the files are still there... |
| 14:43.11 | lyakh | cool |
| 14:43.48 | abrotman | fixed up ? |
| 14:43.58 | abrotman | lyakh: you probably wanted to purge the package, not just remove it |
| 14:45.20 | lyakh | abrotman: YESSS! Thanks! |
| 14:45.34 | lyakh | wow, makes life soooo much easier |
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| 14:48.31 | mirz | abrotman: i pinged debian-release@lists about it a long time ago. either i chose the wrong list or they're too busy. |
| 14:48.45 | abrotman | ask the maintainer .. |
| 14:48.56 | arcsky | guys i got here python 2.5 but i want python 2.6 and it doesnt exists in apt-get what can i do? |
| 14:49.30 | themill | dpkg: tell arcsky about python2.6 |
| 14:49.31 | nsadmin | maint can be reached at package@packages |
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| 14:53.32 | Bartzy | or if the system just served the file from the kernel cache or from the disk ? |
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| 15:06.49 | andre_pl | I'm having a heck of a time getting ssh/X11 forwarding to work and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, can anyone help me figure this out? I've enabled it in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config on BOTH machines, I tried all combos of -X and -Y, but I never get a $DISPLAY when I log intot he remote maching |
| 15:07.35 | themill | dpkg: tell andre_pl about sshx |
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| 15:07.51 | themill | andre_pl: check the list of required packages on the remote side. |
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| 15:09.18 | subsume | where does debian mount ram. I'd like to put a database file purely in ram |
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| 15:10.12 | arcsky | apt-cache search nfqueue-bindings-python i cant find it for debian |
| 15:10.18 | andre_pl | themill: xauth is installed on both ends too. |
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| 15:10.46 | bacon_ | hi there |
| 15:11.01 | bacon_ | please is there a chanel for debconf issues |
| 15:11.06 | bacon_ | and workarounds? |
| 15:12.25 | dclarke | question : is there a compviz ( sp? ) package that allows the desktop to be rotated and manipulated in 3D ? I mean for KDE . |
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| 15:13.42 | stew | arcsky: its only in testing/unstable, see /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:18.03 | dclarke | never mind .. aptitude found it neatly |
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| 15:18.11 | andre_pl | themill: I can do X11 forwarding from the same client to a different server, sot he problem must be ont he server end. One thing i"ve noticed is that the server has no .Xauthority file, and I dont see ANYTHING about xauth after logging in, I do however see that when I connect to the other remote server which CAN do 11 forwarding) |
| 15:18.44 | andre_pl | themill: xauth is installed on the server though, i can run it, though I have no idea what its supposed to do or if its doing it |
| 15:19.01 | crypted | okay superblock failed, no backup works. hdd is in good shape though. how can i get my /var/ data copied out of it? |
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| 15:23.12 | crypted | anyone? |
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| 15:24.56 | andre_pl | is it possible that someone has to be logged into X on the remote server? |
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| 15:25.35 | stew | andre_pl: no, the remote server doesn't even need x installed, just xauth |
| 15:25.48 | stew | andre_pl: i'd try /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 15:25.59 | subsume | using this fstab http://dpaste.com/281139/ I get error: mount: according to mtab, tmpfs is mounted on /lib/init/rw |
| 15:26.25 | andre_pl | stew: thanks, trying it out |
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| 15:29.39 | andre_pl | stew: when I try that i get disconnected by the remote end. |
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| 15:30.11 | andre_pl | i dont even get a password prompt, it disconnects me before that |
| 15:31.11 | rkhshm | dh_link cannot be used to create hardlinks ? |
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| 15:32.36 | subsume | Debian 'mount' shows tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) |
| 15:32.36 | subsume | . Does that mean I already have a tmpfs I can use? Can I have more than 1? |
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| 15:33.54 | stew | crypted: it cannot |
| 15:34.19 | catsup | subsume: you can have as many as you want. don't use that one. |
| 15:34.33 | subsume | catsup, thanks. should I call the next one 'tmpfs' as well? |
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| 15:35.09 | catsup | subsume: you can call it whatever you want, although 'none' is warned against, and 'tmpfs' is quite popular |
| 15:35.28 | stew | crypted: err, not you, nm |
| 15:35.28 | subsume | catsup, many thanks. I got an error saying it was already mounted but when I did it as root it was fine. |
| 15:35.31 | stew | rkhshm: it cannot |
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| 15:36.33 | Sbroker | Hi from SPain |
| 15:37.18 | catsup | subsume: oh, i didn't look at your fstab until just now. it looks ok. what's your 'mount' command line? |
| 15:37.25 | catsup | oh |
| 15:37.27 | al3s | hello there ... this is a really newbie question, but it seems that docs online doesn't help... I have a HP G42 with realtek driver with debian squeeze and I'm trying to compile but it doesn't work |
| 15:37.28 | catsup | you weren't root |
| 15:37.40 | al3s | is there other way to enable wireless? |
| 15:37.44 | catsup | another problem solved by catsup :p |
| 15:38.18 | subsume | catsup, http://dpaste.com/281148/ |
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| 15:38.41 | catsup | subsume: what's that? |
| 15:38.54 | subsume | catsup, the output of 'mount' ? |
| 15:38.59 | subsume | didn't you ask for that? |
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| 15:39.28 | catsup | no, i asked for the command line that you used to call 'mount'. but it doesn't matter, you already fixed the problem |
| 15:39.57 | catsup | al3s: are you sure the debian kernel lacks the driver? maybe it just lacks the firmware? |
| 15:40.01 | subsume | catsup, oh i did sudo mount tmpfs |
| 15:40.14 | catsup | yeah there's a problem with that too :p |
| 15:40.33 | catsup | you want sudo mount /tmpfs -- youw ant to specify the mount point when you are using a virtual device |
| 15:40.51 | catsup | otherwise, how can i ttell one tmpfs from another? |
| 15:40.55 | subsume | I used this as my fstab < http://dpaste.com/281139/ |
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| 15:41.16 | subsume | catsup, that's what I was wondering... will that do? |
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| 15:41.46 | al3s | catsup: when I'm trying to compile it theres is and error in the autorun.sh, it is about target `modules' ... |
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| 15:44.42 | petern_ | hmm, the tarball in the alsa-driver package in squeeze says it supports up to 2.6.29 |
| 15:46.10 | jhutchins_lt | subsume: Are you running debian or ubuntu? |
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| 15:46.42 | subsume | jhujhiti, deb |
| 15:46.59 | jhutchins_lt | subsume: Which kernel? (uname -r) |
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| 15:47.38 | subsume | jhujhiti, lenny |
| 15:47.46 | subsume | 2.6.18.8-linode22 |
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| 15:48.01 | subsume | jhutchins_lt, ^^ =) |
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| 15:48.51 | abrotman | neither! |
| 15:49.25 | stew | subsume: what happens when you run "mount -a"? does it get mounted? do you get an error? |
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| 15:49.56 | subsume | stew, no error this time. only when non-sudo |
| 15:50.20 | stew | subsume: so there is no problem? |
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| 15:51.04 | subsume | stew, I don't think so but I just like to be sure. |
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| 15:53.46 | shane4ubuntu | is debian stable considered a rolling release? or is that only the testing branch? |
| 15:54.12 | Vroomfondle | it's not a rolling release |
| 15:54.35 | shane4ubuntu | Vroomfondle: ok, thanks! how about the testing branch? |
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| 15:54.55 | Vroomfondle | yeah, testing "rolls" |
| 15:55.05 | Vroomfondle | as I understand it, anyway |
| 15:55.10 | shane4ubuntu | ok, thanks |
| 15:55.25 | shane4ubuntu | that was my basic understanding of it too, just wanted to confirm. |
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| 15:57.15 | shane4ubuntu | one more question, how about upgrading from the current stable to the next current stable? is that buggy or a seemless upgrade? |
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| 15:57.54 | pipeline | shane4ubuntu: upgrades from stable to stable are guaranteed to work correctly |
| 15:58.28 | pipeline | shane4ubuntu: in fact you can have it done more or less automatically -- if you put "stable" instead of a specific release name in sources.list, when the new stable comes out, off you go. |
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| 15:59.06 | Sm0ke0ut | it ofc. requires a reboot (maybe 2, depending on the changes) :-) |
| 15:59.08 | stew | you DON'T want to have 'stable' in sources.list |
| 15:59.10 | jhutchins_lt | subsume: System level changes that assume you are runnign Debian can permenently break a non-debian system. Please seek help in the support channels for your own distribution. IRC may not be helpful for smaller distributions, you will probably need to seek out the mailing lists. |
| 15:59.13 | themill | pipeline: eek. Don't do that. |
| 15:59.14 | shane4ubuntu | pipeline: really, that is very good news, in effect making the stable 'sort of like' a rolling distro, obviously not equivalent, but similar. |
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| 15:59.41 | stew | shane4ubuntu: no, you don't want to upgrade stable that way, you want to follow the procedure in the release notes when the next stable comes out |
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| 15:59.44 | themill | shane4ubuntu: oldstable→stable upgrades always require manual intervention, but a lot of work is done to keep it to a minimum. |
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| 16:00.07 | jhutchins_lt | Testing is not actually a rolling release, it is staged. Sid is "rolling", but it's not a release. |
| 16:00.21 | stew | people's definitions of rolling release differ |
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| 16:00.47 | stew | and people's definition of relelase (debian, for instance, DOES consider sid a release, even if jhutchins_lt doesn't) |
| 16:00.59 | shane4ubuntu | ok, rolling release I mean, no upgrading, packages are upgraded shortly (relative) after a new release. |
| 16:01.12 | pipeline | well it is an upgrade... |
| 16:01.17 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: And then there's backports.debian.org and volatile.debian.org, if that has not yet been mentioned. Those are for people running stable who want some newer stuff. |
| 16:01.19 | stew | shane4ubuntu: then no, perhaps testing isn't always rolling |
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| 16:01.35 | pipeline | shane4ubuntu: it's rolling only in the sense the word "stable" remains valid in sources.list after the new release. It's 100% staged. |
| 16:01.37 | stew | shane4ubuntu: since packages may take a long time to get updated in testing after a new version of the software is released |
| 16:01.56 | stew | pipeline: "stable" should not be used in sources.list |
| 16:02.22 | shane4ubuntu | stew: right, but that would be within reason, I mean, obviously you can't expect packages the next day, all is depending on the size, and dep's of a package. |
| 16:02.24 | stew | IMHO, stable should be made invalid on the debian mirrors |
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| 16:02.58 | karlpinc | stew: That would be a good idea. Perhaps a bug report? |
| 16:03.03 | stew | shane4ubuntu: you should expect many packages in testing to be perhaps six months to a year old, especially now when testing is 'frozen' |
| 16:03.10 | subsume | jhutchins_lt, I'm not using debian?? |
| 16:03.13 | shane4ubuntu | karlpinc: ok, I'm familiar with backborts, but volatile, sounds, well, volatile. :) |
| 16:03.27 | jhutchins_lt | subsume: Your kernel is not a debian kernel. |
| 16:03.28 | Sm0ke0ut | now I wonder, why not using "stable"? Even if the releasename is changing you will require to do a dist-upgrade afaik |
| 16:03.31 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: It's mostly for anti-spam rules and suchlike. |
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| 16:03.42 | catsup | shane4ubuntu: volatile is for frequently-changing packages, not unstable ones |
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| 16:03.47 | abrotman | Sm0ke0ut: because when a new 'stable' is released, bad thigns can happen to someone unsuspecting |
| 16:04.06 | subsume | jhutchins_lt, oh, I see. so I should probably check linode too. |
| 16:04.16 | shane4ubuntu | catsup: ok, thanks |
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| 16:04.37 | jhutchins_lt | !based on debian |
| 16:04.37 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:04.39 | karlpinc | Sm0ke0ut: Upgrading to a new stable can require things be done in the right order or else you lose packages and otherwise break things. |
| 16:04.41 | shane4ubuntu | so looking for more up-to-date and relatively stable, SID or testing would be OK? |
| 16:04.43 | stew | Sm0ke0ut: and an upgrade from one release to another is much more likely to be successful when you follow the procedure developed by the release managers to ensure it works. somethings there are dependencies you need to follow, like for the next one, it will be "upgrade kernel and udev, reboot, continue to upgrade..." |
| 16:05.09 | Sm0ke0ut | I see |
| 16:05.31 | Sm0ke0ut | In that case I'll update my sources.lst before something goes wrong =P |
| 16:05.42 | dkr | shane4ubuntu: testing, yes. but not sid. sid is the nickname for unstable |
| 16:05.44 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: Many find testing stable enough. Sid is probably not a good idea unless you know what you're doing. (See also: /msg dpkg sns) |
| 16:06.11 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: YMMV. But you don't get the same kind of security support in testing as you do in stable. |
| 16:06.19 | shane4ubuntu | dkr: karlpinc ahh, ok, I guess I was thinking testing was sid, not true. :) |
| 16:06.19 | karlpinc | s/kind/level/ |
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| 16:06.45 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: It's confusing, and there's more than one way to interpret it. |
| 16:06.50 | shane4ubuntu | is there a name for testing? |
| 16:07.00 | abrotman | shane4ubuntu: currently, squeeze |
| 16:07.03 | abrotman | until it becomes stable |
| 16:07.26 | stew | shane4ubuntu: currently it is squeeze, at some time soon squeeze will become stable and wheezy will become testing (and then much later in the future wheezy becomes the next stable) |
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| 16:08.46 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: I prefer stable. Becuase I want my computer to work when I sit down to work. |
| 16:08.55 | shane4ubuntu | ok, is it considered unsafe to have testing in the source.lst? |
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| 16:09.07 | abrotman | you have to understand that testing breaks from time to time |
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| 16:09.19 | stew | and it doesn't necessarily get timely security fixes |
| 16:09.22 | themill | shane4ubuntu: depends on whether you are wanting to be part of debian development or not. /msg dpkg moving target |
| 16:09.25 | shane4ubuntu | karlpinc: understood, I like a good balance between new/stable I like new. :) |
| 16:10.00 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: Backports is new enough for me. (Which also does not have the same level of security support as stable.) |
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| 16:10.31 | shane4ubuntu | my main problem is using stable, the packages are a bit old for me. and moving/transfering from my current distro to stable is a backward step. |
| 16:10.57 | themill | shane4ubuntu: just s/old/well tested/ and be happy. |
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| 16:11.59 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: You looked at backports? |
| 16:12.04 | pipeline | You can have stability and a long lifecycle, OR you can have new packages all the time. You can't have both. |
| 16:12.20 | abrotman | shane4ubuntu: but when squeeze is released, they won't be "old" anymore |
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| 16:12.25 | shane4ubuntu | karlpinc: perhaps backports is my key to the balance. |
| 16:12.36 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: (Only "middle aged". :) |
| 16:12.38 | shane4ubuntu | does squeeze have a release date? |
| 16:12.45 | karlpinc | !guess the release date |
| 16:12.45 | dpkg | i guess guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 16:13.35 | shane4ubuntu | lol, ok, I think probably squeeze would be ok for me, I don't mind a little breakage here and there, and don't mind finding work arounds. |
| 16:13.39 | abrotman | woohoo, green line going back up! |
| 16:13.46 | dkr | stable for servers and testing for workstations |
| 16:14.08 | abrotman | or stable for workstatoins, if you need them to work all the time |
| 16:14.13 | karthick87 | Is there an elegant way, other than messing with /etc/rc?.d to control the daemon loading at boot time?My personal concern is stopping Nginx from loading at boot, while setting lighttpd to do load at boot. |
| 16:14.24 | abrotman | karthick87: update-rc.d |
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| 16:14.42 | pipeline | there is also a chkconfig package for debian |
| 16:14.44 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: It's not very accurate to compare the version numbers of Debian packages with those from other distros. While they may be similar, it's possible that the Debian packages have been heavily patched and contain fixes found in significantly later versions from other distros. |
| 16:15.36 | karthick87 | abrotman: anyother way? |
| 16:15.37 | shane4ubuntu | jhutchins_lt: true, but when I backup my Evolution data, and want to transfer, going backwards is bad, tried that before. |
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| 16:15.58 | abrotman | karthick87: what's wrong with that? |
| 16:16.06 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: Depends on the Ev release I guess. |
| 16:16.39 | karthick87 | abrotman: I dont want to mess that,that's why i am asking |
| 16:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | karthick87: There's also rcconf |
| 16:16.51 | abrotman | karthick87: AIUI, it's the answer to your question |
| 16:16.55 | shane4ubuntu | jhutchins_lt: true, and that was a few years ago that I tried that, with the same distros, I guess giving it a try is about the only thing I can do, on a testing partition. |
| 16:17.11 | karthick87 | abrotman: AIUI? |
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| 16:21.08 | shane4ubuntu | ok, one more question, if I start with stable (Lenny?) and decide, I want newer, enable backports get some updates, still not content, I can then move to squeeze (testing) in my source.list is that a realistic plan? All this on a testing partition, so breakage wouldn't be of huge concern, this would be learning. :) |
| 16:21.38 | dkr | yes |
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| 16:22.06 | shane4ubuntu | and in effect only have to download one installation source, ie lenny. |
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| 16:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: Yes, that's a good plan, in fact if you upgrade to testing that's one of the tests that's needed right now. |
| 16:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: It would be nice if people could shapshot their lenny system so that if they have problems with the upgrade and the problems are fixed they can confirm the fix. |
| 16:24.54 | shane4ubuntu | jhutchins_lt: ok, if I installed on a testing partition, I could do that just for kicks. :) Ohh, right, good idea, full backup before upgrade. |
| 16:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | Running testing as a boot option is a great way to contributed. You can mount the install chroot and update it, then boot to see if your issues are addressed. |
| 16:25.22 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: (There's also lvm snapshots, but backups are safer.) |
| 16:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, two advantages, if the upgrade breaks, you fall back to functional, and you can re-run the upgrade to see if it's fixed. |
| 16:25.55 | shane4ubuntu | hmm, I like good ole tar. :) |
| 16:26.35 | jhutchins_lt | When I say snapshot I mean a full backup of a system at a point in time, often like a dd image of the unmounted partition. |
| 16:26.45 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Where to find the lenny->squeeze release notes documenting how to upgrade? |
| 16:26.47 | jhutchins_lt | Very easy to restore to exactly where you were. |
| 16:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | lessee... |
| 16:27.11 | jhutchins_lt | lenny->squeeze |
| 16:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | !lenny->squeeze |
| 16:27.36 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: thump |
| 16:27.36 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:27.41 | shane4ubuntu | ok, installation method, I don't like downloading all the cd's, can I get the net-install and then do a minimal install and chroot to finish the installation? My internet is not the fastest. |
| 16:27.49 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: May not be compiled yet. |
| 16:28.31 | shane4ubuntu | jhutchins_lt: right, I did those with something, hmm, a bootable cd that would image the partition, I forget what that was |
| 16:28.49 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: How can they be testing the procedure if it does not exist? |
| 16:28.55 | shane4ubuntu | ddrescue? or something like that, a linux backup bootable cd |
| 16:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: clonezilla |
| 16:29.57 | shane4ubuntu | yes, that was it, very nice, quick and easy. |
| 16:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Roughly replace lenny with squeeze in sources list, update, upgrade, full-upgrade, I don't know if someone has better notes yet. |
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| 16:31.17 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Ah, here: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b |
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| 16:31.39 | archman | hello |
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| 16:32.13 | shane4ubuntu | how many of the 30CD's do I really need? |
| 16:32.17 | archman | can i use the debian live cd (version 5 i think) to install debian without having to start the gnome DE? |
| 16:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: 1 |
| 16:32.40 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: I prefer netinstalls. That downloads only the actual packages you need. |
| 16:32.45 | archman | since i don't have a mouse |
| 16:32.53 | stew | archman: yes, just don't select "desktop install" when prompted, stick to 'standard' |
| 16:33.12 | shane4ubuntu | jhutchins_lt: does netinstall give me tty? I don't want to have to wait for 1GB of packages to download. |
| 16:33.29 | karlpinc | !squeeze release notes |
| 16:33.29 | dpkg | A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at http://deb.li/jUOC and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 16:33.35 | archman | stew: i have only the "live" and "live(failsafe)" options |
| 16:33.46 | archman | stew: and memtest and help too, sure |
| 16:33.48 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: The release notes are the upgrade instructions. |
| 16:33.51 | stew | archman: oh, sorry, i missed the "live" part |
| 16:33.59 | archman | ;) |
| 16:34.11 | shane4ubuntu | ok, thanks karlpinc |
| 16:34.42 | karlpinc | shane4ubuntu: Netinstall will install a minimal system, if that's what you're asking. |
| 16:35.01 | jhutchins_lt | shane4ubuntu: Kindof depends on what choices you make. |
| 16:35.26 | stew | archman: if you don't get an answer here try #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 16:35.28 | shane4ubuntu | ok, I remember doing netinstall before, and having my computer tied up forever downloading, I must have mad bad choices. :) |
| 16:35.29 | archman | it's a Debian Lenny live (20090215) |
| 16:35.49 | shane4ubuntu | thanks karlpinc jhutchins_lt much appreciated! |
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| 16:36.08 | karlpinc | archman: You can always do a ctrl-alt-f1 and get a console. |
| 16:36.36 | archman | karlpinc: smart ;) |
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| 16:38.28 | archman | karlpinc: what's the text install command? (or ncurses, if there are any) |
| 16:38.48 | karlpinc | archman: aptitude |
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| 16:41.43 | karlpinc | Is the <squeeze release notes> factoid wrong? http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b says http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes is the right url. |
| 16:43.15 | stew | dpkg: squeeze release notes =~ s,http://deb.li/jUOC,http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes, |
| 16:43.15 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:43.18 | themill | karlpinc: the URL in the factoid is regenerated daily -- I have no idea how often the one on debian.org is being regenerated. (it lacks some changes that were made yesterday, for example) |
| 16:43.29 | stew | oh |
| 16:43.34 | themill | stew: nah, leave it. |
| 16:43.51 | themill | if vorlon isn't regenerating them daily, he should be pretty soon... |
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| 16:47.56 | sec_goat | Does anyone have any experience with RDESKTOP ? I want to be able to create an icon (script?) to connect me to specific computers w/ specific parameters, how easy is this to do? |
| 16:48.41 | dkr | sec_goat: are you suing gnome? there is a "launcher" applet you can plug in any command for |
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| 16:50.06 | sec_goat | dkr: I belive I am. . Add to panel, Custom Application Launcher? |
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| 16:50.29 | dkr | sec_goat: exactly. then you just type in the command to launch as something like rdesktop -u Administrator hostname |
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| 16:51.31 | sec_goat | dkr: will that avoid the having a temrinal window open for every instance as well? |
| 16:52.06 | dkr | sec_goat: yes. unless you change that drop-down to say "app in terminal" |
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| 16:52.34 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: rdesktop customizes it's sessions through the command line, so just check the manpage for the options you want to use. |
| 16:52.40 | sec_goat | dkr: perfect, easy than I expected thankyou! |
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| 16:54.03 | Mowee | Hey :) |
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| 16:57.14 | k1ng | anyone got COD: black ops for pc? |
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| 16:57.56 | themill | k1ng: wrong channel? |
| 16:57.58 | Sm0ke0ut | I bet the stores has |
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| 17:00.00 | dkr | 1 4m leet, g1mm3 w4r3z! |
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| 17:00.53 | dkr | oops, should have gone with 31337 instead of leet for the full early 90s effect |
| 17:01.16 | sec_goat | I am trying to get Flash installed for Iceweasel, or just for Debian in generall. when i do an apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree I get this message: flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:01.16 | sec_goat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.24 | solifugus | Anyone know how to get a list of sub-domains? I don't see how using nslookup.. or dig... |
| 17:01.32 | solifugus | reading their man pages |
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| 17:01.53 | nixfloyd | solifugus: dig ALL domain.com |
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| 17:02.06 | compaq | I just did rm * rar instead of rm *.rar, and deleted some files accidentally, Anyone know how to recover? |
| 17:02.08 | nixfloyd | but it will work only if zone transfer is allowed for anyone by the dns server |
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| 17:02.15 | dkr | !tell sec_goat about dmm |
| 17:02.16 | stew | solifugus: you could try "dig domainname axfr" but not many nameservers are configured to allow that from a random ip address |
| 17:02.37 | Sm0ke0ut | in fact, none should be |
| 17:02.46 | themill | compaq: restore from a recent backup is the best recovery method. |
| 17:02.53 | karthick87 | We just got a Xerox Workcentre 3220 in the office, and the 3119 drivers keep showing "out of paper" when trying to print.Any ideas how to set this one up? |
| 17:03.05 | dkr | !tell sec_goat about adobe flash |
| 17:03.13 | sec_goat | dkr: thanks again man! |
| 17:03.26 | compaq | themill, no other way to recover. Cause, isn't it that just the inode is something is deleted, but the data is still on disk untill over ridden? |
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| 17:08.38 | Digdilem | compaq, what filesystem? ext3 or ext4? |
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| 17:09.47 | Digdilem | traditional wisdom is you can't, but i've heard mixed reports about extundelete |
| 17:10.50 | compaq | Digdilem, ext3 |
| 17:12.16 | Digdilem | prognosis ain't good, especially for rars that a crc'd. text files, but give it a try if you've backed everything else up |
| 17:12.37 | Digdilem | woo, bad sentance. i meant rars that are crc'd rather than text |
| 17:14.40 | solifugus | nixfloyd and stew: yeah.. I'm trying to get a list of sub-domains under ctsi.ufl.edu and it's not giving me anything. |
| 17:14.59 | solifugus | I am starting to think this is some security thing. |
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| 17:15.37 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Zone dumps have been mostly secured for a while now. |
| 17:15.39 | stew | solifugus: yes, its expected |
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| 17:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: Will aptitude get it for you? |
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| 17:23.11 | sec_goat | jhuntchins_lt: Once I did the Debian Multimedia package and added a non-free repositoty to my list(?) it installed no problem... well flashplayer-nonfree did not install but flashplayer-mozillaplugin or somehitng similar did |
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| 17:38.13 | Siegfried | Hi, update-grub isn't supposed to propose to create a menu.lst ? mine doesn't |
| 17:40.11 | Iridos | you might want to say what version of Debian you're talking about, mate |
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| 17:45.35 | Siegfried | Iridos, Lenny |
| 17:47.03 | Iridos | that's supposed to update /boot/grub/menu.lst... dunno about create, as that usually happens during installation - either installation of Debian or when you install grub |
| 17:48.55 | stew | Siegfried: according to the manpage, yes, it is supposed to propose to create a menu.lst |
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| 17:57.08 | karthick87 | how to reinstall removed repositories? |
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| 17:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | karthick87: How did you remove them? |
| 18:00.21 | karthick87 | from software sources |
| 18:00.52 | stew | karthick87: what repository do you want to re-add? |
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| 18:01.40 | karthick87 | stew: i wanna reset it to default.Is that possible? |
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| 18:02.31 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 18:02.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 18:02.46 | stew | karthick87: what release of debian are you running? |
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| 18:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | Standard would probably be main and security, posslbiy with contrib and/or non-free. |
| 18:03.15 | lelu | should /etc/logcheck/logcheck.conf be empty upon aptitude install logcheck ? |
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| 18:03.37 | karthick87 | stew: 5.0 |
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| 18:03.58 | stew | karthick87: then see dpkg's response above |
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| 18:04.59 | karthick87 | thank you |
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| 18:07.46 | sec_goat | I want to install EVOLUTION-MAPI so i can connect to Exchange 2007. however it "cannot find the package". I believe I need to add a repository to my list in order to download it, is that correct and if so where can I find the repository? |
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| 18:10.39 | compaq | what is the command that starts the kde panel, cause mine has disapeeared, and I don't want to log out and back in |
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| 18:11.43 | jelly-hme | sec_goat: which release of Debian are you using? |
| 18:11.45 | compaq | oh, I got it, the kicker |
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| 18:11.55 | jelly-hme | judd: versions evolution-mapi |
| 18:11.56 | judd | Package evolution-mapi on i386 -- sid: 0.30.3-2 |
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| 18:12.37 | jelly-hme | sec_goat: it seems to be only available in Debian unstable (sid) at present |
| 18:12.48 | aliudalius | how might I go about getting the 'Options' and 'Windows' keys on my new keyboard to behave like Control and Alt respectively? |
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| 18:12.56 | badzo | hello |
| 18:14.24 | badzo | i am experiencing problems with 3d acceleration. i dont have it despite glxinfo saying i have. i have ati card. what could I do? |
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| 18:15.11 | badzo | i have debian sid. |
| 18:15.30 | sec_goat | jelly-hme: oh shoot I am on Lenny Stable I think |
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| 18:17.23 | jelly-hme | sec_goat: there is however an evolution-exchange package, which it seems uses the OWA (ActiveSync?) API |
| 18:17.44 | jelly-hme | judd: versions evolution-exchange |
| 18:17.45 | judd | Package evolution-exchange on i386 -- etch: 2.6.3.dfsg-1; lenny: 2.22.3.dfsg-1; squeeze: 2.30.2-1; sid: 2.30.3-1 |
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| 18:17.57 | _habnabit | So I'm having an odd problem with debian squeeze: readline doesn't seem to echo anything at all. Every program that uses it, from bash to psql, will accept input just fine, but won't echo anything out as confirmation of what I've typed. I've tried with both TERM=screen and TERM=xterm-color, but nothing. |
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| 18:18.14 | _habnabit | It's probably something silly, but. |
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| 18:18.53 | jelly-hme | _habnabit: how do you even know your bash works if there's no prompt? |
| 18:19.01 | sec_goat | jelly-hme: the problem with that one is that it will not connect to Exchange 5.5 (2007) only Exchange 2000 or 2003 as far as I can tell |
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| 18:19.20 | _habnabit | jelly-hme, there is a prompt, and if I type commands, they get executed. |
| 18:19.26 | _habnabit | jelly-hme, but as I type, I don't see anything. |
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| 18:19.41 | lelu | should /etc/logcheck/logcheck.conf be empty upon aptitude install logcheck ? |
| 18:19.48 | jelly-hme | sec_goat: uhh... ok, except 5.5 is older than 2000 and not equal to 2007. |
| 18:19.49 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: Correct, there isn't a solution for the earlier version (except for web mail). |
| 18:19.50 | themill | _habnabit: have you tried the command "reset"? |
| 18:19.53 | lelu | sorry if anyone answered before couldnt see it in the list |
| 18:20.16 | jelly-hme | _habnabit: so it does display _something_! |
| 18:20.25 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: 5.5 was from Microsoft's "Ve vill rule the vorld!" days. |
| 18:20.37 | _habnabit | themill, odd, that fixed it. Let's see if it'll keep on working if I close and open the terminal. |
| 18:20.41 | sec_goat | jelly-hme: Oh.. hehe i just assumed 5.5 was 2007 since that is what I am trying to connect to and the error told me it would not connect to 5.5/ / / |
| 18:20.42 | _habnabit | jelly-hme, I never said it didn't. |
| 18:21.02 | stew | lelu: if it was empty before the install it should also be empty after the install. if you want to reinstall it and get all new configs (erasing any configuration you've done), see /msg dpkg confnew |
| 18:21.03 | jelly-hme | *nod* |
| 18:21.48 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: 5.5 was ~1998. |
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| 18:22.16 | _habnabit | themill, well now that's just wacky. When I open a new terminal, I get the same behavior consistently until I `reset` |
| 18:22.49 | themill | _habnabit: I guess something in your .bash_profile or similar is doing something nasty to your terminal then. |
| 18:23.12 | _habnabit | themill, I don't have a .bash_profile; I don't use bash. |
| 18:23.23 | themill | hence "or similar". |
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| 18:24.19 | _habnabit | themill, right, but this still happens if I invoke bash as a login shell instead of fish. |
| 18:24.36 | _habnabit | themill, and I don't know what profile-esque files they have in common. |
| 18:24.45 | jelly-hme | wtf's fish |
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| 18:24.54 | themill | if the terminal is already confused, then starting bash won't unconfuse it |
| 18:24.54 | _habnabit | It's a shell. |
| 18:25.16 | _habnabit | themill, no, this is when starting *a new terminal* with bash as the login shell instead of fish. |
| 18:25.27 | jelly-hme | _habnabit: does it happen with a freshly created user? |
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| 18:25.29 | themill | ,info fish |
| 18:25.31 | judd | Package fish (shells, optional) in lenny/i386: a friendly interactive shell. Version: 1.23.0-5; Size: 746.2k; Installed: 3672k; Homepage: http://fishshell.org/ |
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| 18:26.32 | sec_goat | jhutchins_lt: I am currently using web based access |
| 18:27.13 | jhutchins_lt | Iirc the pop access was pretty good, imap might work; they do allow shared folders. |
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| 18:28.12 | jelly-hme | imap is pretty fucking good in exchange 2007 |
| 18:28.25 | sec_goat | I will look at enabling Imap on our server then |
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| 18:29.18 | jelly-hme | you'll still have to manage calendars and meetings somehow |
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| 18:30.06 | jelly-hme | is doing that on his activesync phone, and the rest with a trusty mutt |
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| 18:33.08 | allure | IS there an utility to collect data from iptables and graph it? |
| 18:33.43 | abrotman | did you ask #netfilter ? |
| 18:34.22 | allure | no, sorry abrotman |
| 18:34.25 | allure | will try there, thank you |
| 18:34.34 | jelly-hme | allure: there are lots of utilities to draw graphs from numbers, like cricket. You "merely" have to provide data sources. |
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| 18:35.08 | allure | jelly-hme: yes, I meant if there was something that would work better with iptables than rrdtools or something like that |
| 18:35.15 | _habnabit | Well, stty before and after shows that it's set to -echo before for some reason. |
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| 18:38.39 | crazygir | hiya! are there any good cli-based app which would provide better details about a disks partition layout? fdisk doesn't give enough visual with layout |
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| 18:39.30 | Iridos | visual? |
| 18:39.49 | jelly-hme | "partition 2 is yay big" |
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| 18:39.53 | iulhk | when giving command "chown ~/Desktop/skype.desktop" getting this error "chown: missing operand after `/root/Desktop/skype.desktop'" ? |
| 18:39.54 | Iridos | cfdisk, gparted, gpart? |
| 18:40.16 | _habnabit | iulhk, what do you want to chown it to? |
| 18:40.19 | stew | iulhk: chown owner file1 file2 file3... |
| 18:40.21 | Iridos | iulhk, you generally want to tell who'd own it |
| 18:40.21 | jelly-hme | gparted is a GUI app. gpart is a tool to guess lots partition tables |
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| 18:40.34 | jelly-hme | lost* |
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| 18:41.00 | Iridos | oh, right, forget gpart... was confused with that |
| 18:41.10 | Iridos | jelly, what's more "visual" than a gui app? |
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| 18:41.28 | jelly-hme | Iridos: it's probably not "cli-based" |
| 18:41.30 | Iridos | (whatever "visual" is supposed to mean in this context) |
| 18:41.41 | Iridos | oh.. point |
| 18:41.56 | jelly-hme | Iridos: crazygir might have crazyrequirem! |
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| 18:42.18 | Iridos | yes... I guess my brain automatically censored parts to protect me |
| 18:42.47 | iulhk | i have file name Desktop at /root/ path ... i just want to "Add skype.desktop to Desktops - copy skype.desktop into the user(s) Desktop with the command" new to linux .. don't know how to do that ? |
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| 18:43.14 | crazygir | Iridos: I have a 20GB disk, fdisk thinks I can't create more partiions, but all of the space is not used |
| 18:43.18 | crazygir | I need to figure out where that is.. |
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| 18:43.53 | Iridos | how about you pastebin what fdisk -l /dev/yourdisk tells you... |
| 18:43.58 | re_ | I want to insert a *.jpg into a LaTeX document and don't know how. I think i must convert it to an .eps file first (?). Which program in Debian can do that? |
| 18:44.04 | Iridos | you don't have by chance 4 primary partitions on that disk? |
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| 18:44.59 | bluesword1969 | I'm seeing the following quite a lot on my workstation as of the latest dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/dQ1KyP4x |
| 18:45.00 | Iridos | re_, many... "convert" from imagemagick should be able to... also, IIRC you can use jpg if you you use pdflatex to create pdf files instead |
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| 18:46.00 | re_ | Iridos: i have tried that (pdflatex) but couldn't find out how... |
| 18:46.24 | Iridos | re_, mind, eps will be a lot bigger than jpg |
| 18:46.39 | re_ | hmm |
| 18:46.47 | stew | crazygir: can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l"? perhaps we can help you understand it |
| 18:47.38 | re_ | Iridos: can I make a dvi with pdflatex or only pdf? |
| 18:47.40 | Iridos | re_, you might also have a look at the package "rubber", with which you can automate a lot of stuff... including image conversion (although that didn't work _so_ geat when I used it last some years ago) |
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| 18:48.32 | Iridos | well, obviously pdflatex makes pdfs... but I've never used the dvi directly for anything anyway (always converted to ps or pdf), so I don't see the loss |
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| 18:50.36 | Acony | how can I see which debian version is installed on machine ? |
| 18:50.48 | jelly-hme | !version |
| 18:50.49 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 18:51.00 | re_ | think I don't have the syntax right, maybe 'man convert' is quicker for me |
| 18:51.25 | Dr_Frankenstein | crazygir: you can create 3 primary partitions, if you have windows installed it uses 2 prim parts |
| 18:52.13 | crazygir | Dr_Frankenstein: yea, I have all logical. like 8 |
| 18:52.15 | Iridos | re_, ?? "convert bla.jpg bla.eps"? Don't see what's there to get wrong |
| 18:52.16 | Acony | Linux version 2.6.32-trunk-686 (Debian 2.6.32-5) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-6) ) #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 06:32:16 UTC 2010 |
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| 18:52.27 | jelly-home | Dr_Frankenstein: hm. Windows XP and older never used more than one primary, which version does? |
| 18:52.27 | Acony | so what is this |
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| 18:52.46 | Acony | lenny, squeeze, etch ? |
| 18:52.57 | jelly-home | Acony: read the line dpkg said carefully. |
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| 18:53.27 | jelly-home | Acony: choose the commands after "Debian: " |
| 18:53.47 | re_ | Iridos: I meant the pdflatex part |
| 18:53.50 | Acony | jelly-home, ok tnx it is squeeze/sid |
| 18:54.25 | re_ | Iridos: have the .eps now, you are right, it *IS* bigger ;) |
| 18:54.28 | Iridos | re_, ah :) |
| 18:54.40 | Iridos | yes... about factor 100 or 1000, right? |
| 18:55.23 | crazygir | stew: http://dpaste.com/281201/ |
| 18:55.26 | crazygir | Dr_Frankenstein: http://dpaste.com/281201/ |
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| 18:56.28 | Dr_Frankenstein | jelly-home: preinstalled win oem have always 2.end part for backup and recover |
| 18:56.59 | crazygir | stew: 419 being the end.. is this cylinders? if so.. 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders |
| 18:57.13 | jelly-home | Dr_Frankenstein: oh, but that partition is OEM specific and not part of the OS itself |
| 18:57.14 | crazygir | so I'm confused, the space reported by df doesn't add up either |
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| 18:58.22 | Dr_Frankenstein | jelly-home: i never said os itself |
| 18:58.41 | stew | crazygir: yes, that is cylinders, so you should have cylinders 420-2434 unused |
| 18:58.48 | ice799 | Hi. This is a question about debian packaging rules/best practices. I am taking over releasing a debian package for a piece of software. I've added a new feature that adds a new dependency (if the software is built with --enable-feature). The library needed to support this feature only exists in squeeze (and not in lenny) and only for some architectures. I'm guessing since this doesnt exist for all |
| 18:58.49 | ice799 | architectures I should just have the package build by default with --disable-feature? |
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| 18:59.18 | crazygir | stew: when I try to create a new parition.. No free sectors available |
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| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | ice799: if it's a new package, you don't have to worry about lenny at all |
| 18:59.24 | crazygir | (logial |
| 18:59.31 | crazygir | * (logical) |
| 18:59.32 | stew | crazygir: what tool are you using to create the new partition? |
| 18:59.36 | crazygir | fdisk |
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| 19:00.01 | stew | crazygir: but you can create a primary partition? |
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| 19:00.45 | jelly-home | ice799: depending on how useful the feature is, you might want to build two alternative binary packages, or build with --enable-feature if available (I like features! :-) |
| 19:00.45 | crazygir | actually.. that may be the problem.. it looks like my extended partiion only goes to 419 |
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| 19:01.07 | crazygir | so I need another extended (primary, is that possible) parition to encapsulate the rest |
| 19:01.11 | stew | yes |
| 19:01.25 | crazygir | or maybe extend the size of the _existing_ extended partition |
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| 19:01.41 | crazygir | that is where parted would enter the picture, no? |
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| 19:02.30 | dfdfsdf | hi, is the current version of iceweasel in debian testing compiled with PGO ? |
| 19:02.36 | ice799 | jelly-home: This is an existing package |
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| 19:02.59 | jelly-home | ice799: it still won't get any new versions in lenny. |
| 19:03.04 | ice799 | jelly-home: lenny doesnt have a package for the library needed for this feature |
| 19:03.06 | ice799 | ah ok |
| 19:03.26 | ice799 | jelly-home: building two deb's sounds painful. |
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| 19:03.35 | stew | ice799: why would you build two? |
| 19:04.00 | ice799 | i dunno, if i build one with the feature and one without wont i need a much more complex set of garbage under debian/ ? |
| 19:04.11 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 19:04.12 | jelly-home | stew: a feature is unavailable on all arches |
| 19:04.30 | stew | ice799: you can make a dependency only exist for a set of arches |
| 19:04.37 | jelly-home | ice799: definitely yes, more garbage |
| 19:04.54 | ice799 | stew: wont work bro |
| 19:04.57 | stew | ice799: why not? |
| 19:05.08 | ice799 | stew: the binary needs to be built with either --enable-X or --disable-X |
| 19:05.11 | ice799 | i cant build it like |
| 19:05.16 | ice799 | --possibly-X |
| 19:05.18 | stew | ice799: why not? |
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| 19:05.39 | ice799 | because that is the way the code is written. |
| 19:05.42 | stew | ice799: you can check what arch you are building on in debian/rules |
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| 19:05.55 | ice799 | sounds painful. |
| 19:05.56 | ice799 | sigh. |
| 19:06.16 | stew | *shrug* then disable the feature for all arches |
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| 19:06.20 | ice799 | i think i'll just disable it for all arches |
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| 19:06.28 | ice799 | too painful to deal with otherwise |
| 19:06.36 | jelly-home | chicken, |
| 19:06.37 | stew | an if statement is too painful? |
| 19:06.38 | jelly-home | . |
| 19:06.44 | ice799 | stew: more complicated than that |
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| 19:06.50 | jelly-home | bwaak bwaak |
| 19:07.02 | ice799 | jelly-home: you can write it for me if you like and i'll pull your patch in |
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| 19:07.21 | jelly-home | ice799: if I'm using it, I might... what package? |
| 19:07.24 | ice799 | ltrace |
| 19:07.29 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 19:07.46 | jelly-home | the younger step brother of strace |
| 19:07.52 | jelly-home | or sister? |
| 19:08.05 | ice799 | not really... i'd say more like cousin. |
| 19:08.20 | ice799 | but, shrug. |
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| 19:08.40 | ice799 | amongst a large amount of other stuff i added support for libunwind. |
| 19:08.51 | jelly-home | is your tree available for public |
| 19:09.22 | ice799 | prollem is that ltrace supports N different architectures. only a subset of those N have libunwinds that work and only a smaller subset of those have debian packages in squeeze. |
| 19:09.29 | ice799 | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:09.31 | stew | ice799: how is it more complicated? |
| 19:09.38 | crazygir | is it possible to extend an existing extended partition? |
| 19:09.48 | ice799 | jelly-home: https://github.com/ice799/ltrace/tree/0.6.0 |
| 19:10.27 | jelly-home | crazygir: yes, but you'll need at mess with sfdisk numbers or fdisk expert mode or perhaps parted |
| 19:10.33 | jelly-home | s/at/to/ |
| 19:10.41 | crazygir | fun stuff |
| 19:10.44 | crazygir | ok, thakns |
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| 19:11.23 | jelly-home | crazygir: sfdisk is simple; sfdisk -d /dev/sda > sda; $EDITOR sda; sfdisk /dev/sda < sda |
| 19:11.45 | jelly-home | crazygir: if you want, pastebin the output of sfdisk -d /dev/sda someplace |
| 19:12.03 | stew | its also simple to make big mistakes, so be careful |
| 19:12.04 | TMM_ | crazygir, I'd definitely recommend parted |
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| 19:12.32 | TMM_ | crazygir, it's a user-friendly tool to muck about with partitions, gparted is even easier. It has a live-cd |
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| 19:14.44 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 19:14.51 | ROKO__ | how can install wine 1.2 in debian squeeze ? |
| 19:15.05 | abrotman | judd: versions wine |
| 19:15.07 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 19:15.21 | abrotman | ROKO__: you'd ask #winehq .. there are no 1.2 packages for debian at all |
| 19:15.26 | abrotman | or rather, not in debian |
| 19:16.18 | jelly-home | ice799: well I'm not a git user... git clone url says "fatal: https://github.com/ice799/ltrace/tree/0.6.0//info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?" |
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| 19:17.15 | ice799 | jelly-home: git clone git://github.com/ice799/ltrace.git |
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| 19:18.01 | ice799 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.04 | ice799 | jelly-home: ^ |
| 19:18.13 | ice799 | that will get you to the 0.6.0 tag |
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| 19:21.06 | kawumba | hello, i am looking for a way to get some national instruments card working on debian. NI only supplies NIDAQ packages for red hat and opensuse :( but i read one could convert those using alien and re-compile that wrapper interface to match the running kernel. but i couldn't find a (concurrent) howto how to do that :( |
| 19:21.56 | abrotman | cowers at the mention of NI |
| 19:22.09 | kawumba | abrotman: why is that? |
| 19:23.01 | kawumba | man this just sucks, my whole development and experimental environment is based on free software, but that $^#$ card just won't work. and i cannot find any OSS drivers either |
| 19:24.51 | abrotman | kawumba: old job, long ago .. SCO .. 'nuff said :) |
| 19:25.32 | jelly-home | ice799: mh, I'm unacquainted with cdbs... is that your email address in control? |
| 19:25.49 | ice799 | jelly-home: negative |
| 19:26.00 | ice799 | that is the original author maintainer who told me to do the release because |
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| 19:26.05 | ice799 | he doesnt have time to do it |
| 19:26.24 | ice799 | so i have commit access to his git repo on a debian system somewhere |
| 19:26.43 | ice799 | i've been using github as a scratch space until things are ready |
| 19:26.47 | ice799 | since i've been rebasing a lot. |
| 19:27.05 | ice799 | once i figure this part out i'm going to pull my changes from github over to the "official" ltrace repository |
| 19:27.21 | ice799 | and then nudge him to do a debian release since im not a debian developer or w/e |
| 19:27.50 | ice799 | jelly-home: i may have found some one who knows about cdbs and who may be able to help me. |
| 19:28.04 | jelly-home | that's probably a faster route |
| 19:29.34 | kawumba | abrotman: haha, all right ;) |
| 19:29.49 | kawumba | so, there's actually no OSS driver for NI cards, no? |
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| 19:30.21 | abrotman | the one i had to deal with had nothing but NT4 drivers IIRC, i can't imagine they've gotten much more open since then |
| 19:30.26 | rethus | did the files into /tmp on debian lenny removed anytime automaticly? |
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| 19:31.48 | kawumba | i wonder whether there are other manufacturers who produce similar cards, but supply free drivers or at least hardware specs |
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| 19:33.15 | ice799 | jelly-home: thanks for your help |
| 19:33.26 | abrotman | rethus: at boot time, yes |
| 19:33.30 | ice799 | i cant wait to do this release |
| 19:33.37 | ice799 | and then never do another release ever again. |
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| 19:43.38 | jelly-home | ice799: you're missing all the packaging fun! |
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| 19:44.38 | dedmagg0t | i have a quick question: how do I use cd? |
| 19:45.03 | dedmagg0t | i'm reading the docs and its saying i need to use cd to install/????/?//? |
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| 19:45.17 | dedmagg0t | and I have it already in my drive |
| 19:45.24 | woer | New Hack Tools games,linux,help,chat,windows,exploit,ssh,ubuntu on www.team3d.3xforum.ro |
| 19:45.27 | dedmagg0t | and I need to type cd???? |
| 19:45.32 | dedmagg0t | cd something something?? |
| 19:45.40 | woer | New Hack Tools games,linux,help,chat,windows,exploit,ssh,ubuntu on www.team3d.3xforum.ro |
| 19:45.43 | altimeter | man cd? |
| 19:45.47 | dedmagg0t | but won't it do it by itself? |
| 19:45.52 | dedmagg0t | since cd is already inside? |
| 19:46.07 | altimeter | cd the cd |
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| 19:46.48 | dedmagg0t | but what is the cd for if i'm going need to type cd????? |
| 19:47.20 | altimeter | What version of Debian do you have? |
| 19:47.31 | jelly-home | a trolling version. |
| 19:47.38 | dedmagg0t | i'm using ubuntu |
| 19:47.43 | dedmagg0t | but no one helps me |
| 19:47.50 | altimeter | lol |
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| 19:48.12 | dedmagg0t | i figure it was the same thing since both use apt?? |
| 19:48.19 | ice799 | jelly-home: uhh whats the deal with getting updated versions of existing packages into squeeze? |
| 19:48.22 | Hydroxide | dedmagg0t: if you want help with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu. We do not support ubuntu here. |
| 19:48.28 | altimeter | ubuntu invented apt |
| 19:48.29 | Hydroxide | dedmagg0t: there are similarities and differences. |
| 19:48.46 | pallgone | if I do 'aptitude full-upgrade' how can I see where the stuff that is upgraded is coming from? (which repository, squeeze, sid, ...) |
| 19:48.50 | Hydroxide | altimeter: we did, actually :) [debian, not #debian] |
| 19:48.50 | abrotman | and Ubuntu is offtopic here regardless |
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| 19:49.03 | abrotman | altimeter: your facts are a bit .. wrong |
| 19:49.21 | stew | ice799: only if it fixes an RC bug and has a small diff |
| 19:49.38 | ice799 | stew: :C |
| 19:49.42 | ice799 | when is the next release? |
| 19:49.46 | dedmagg0t | but ubuntu the same as debian |
| 19:49.48 | ice799 | is there a timetable or something i can look at? |
| 19:49.49 | jelly-home | stew: does "really old and needs update" excude work? |
| 19:49.59 | dedmagg0t | since both use apt |
| 19:50.01 | dedmagg0t | and a kernel |
| 19:50.27 | carandraug | ice799, it's expected for christmas but there's no deadline |
| 19:50.31 | dedmagg0t | what the differences?????? |
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| 19:50.37 | abrotman | dedmagg0t: Ubuntu is offtopic in this channel, go to #ubuntu, last warning |
| 19:50.42 | altimeter | Wikipedia said that Ubuntu had apt first |
| 19:50.47 | ice799 | carandraug: you are talking about squeeze, yes? |
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| 19:51.03 | ice799 | carandraug: thats too bad according to stew i wont be able to this updated version in for squeeze. |
| 19:51.08 | ice799 | diff is huge. |
| 19:51.18 | abrotman | altimeter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool .. try again |
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| 19:51.24 | carandraug | ice799, frezze happened on summer I think |
| 19:51.28 | ice799 | fixes piles of bugs. |
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| 19:51.33 | stew | ice799: its far too late. squeeze has been frozen since august |
| 19:51.41 | ice799 | ah |
| 19:51.46 | stew | ice799: see the lastest messages to d-d-a from the release team |
| 19:51.53 | ice799 | so d-d-a ? |
| 19:52.01 | Hydroxide | ice799: debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 19:52.06 | abrotman | lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce |
| 19:52.15 | Hydroxide | ice799: archived where abrotman said |
| 19:52.16 | stew | ice799: if you are planning to be uploading packages to debian ,you should be subscribed there |
| 19:52.22 | ice799 | stew: not me |
| 19:52.26 | stew | ice799: yes, yo |
| 19:52.27 | stew | you |
| 19:52.33 | ice799 | im gonna fix this shit and then make some other dude upload it for me |
| 19:52.38 | carandraug | ice799, you can create a debian repository for your software |
| 19:52.39 | stew | ice799: you should be subscribed |
| 19:52.44 | ice799 | some other dude who is actually a debian developer |
| 19:52.59 | altimeter | abrotman: I don't see any references |
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| 19:53.08 | abrotman | altimeter: try actually reading it |
| 19:53.18 | altimeter | I need citations before I believe that |
| 19:53.25 | ice799 | how does one queue a deb for the _next_ release? ie whatever comes after squeeze? |
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| 19:53.38 | ice799 | do i just need to upload the deb and then wait? |
| 19:53.42 | nsadmin | ice799, yes, fix... good... but, upload? you'll have to get past the ftpmaster |
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| 19:53.50 | Hydroxide | ice799: for that it's certainly not too late. is your package already in debian? |
| 19:53.56 | pallgone | what I don't understand, for a lot of smaller apps the developers usually release new versions with a lot of bugfixes, but those never get into the stable releases of debian so we live with some stuff that is full of bugs |
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| 19:54.03 | ice799 | yes package is in debian |
| 19:54.09 | stew | altimeter: run "aptitude changelog apt" and you'll see that the changelog predates ubuntu by many years |
| 19:54.12 | ice799 | it is called ltrace |
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| 19:54.26 | altimeter | stew that is a good idea |
| 19:54.28 | altimeter | :) |
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| 19:54.29 | starenka | hi can i hook script on cron events? f.e when script called by cran fails it sends email... can i hook my custom script on such event? |
| 19:54.40 | dedmagg0t | stew: ubuntu is offtopic |
| 19:54.41 | altimeter | Hopefully nobody doctored the database |
| 19:55.44 | Hydroxide | ice799: ah, useful package :) I would suggest that you either get in touch with the current Debian package maintainer or file a bug against it in the Debian bug tracking system with severity wishlist, a tag of patch, and an updated debian diff. most likely you'll just do the first one if you're not already involved in maintaining the debianizations, or the latter one if you are |
| 19:55.59 | Hydroxide | ice799: the current maintainer seems to be Juan Cespedes <cespedes@debian.org> |
| 19:56.03 | ice799 | Hydroxide: i already am in contact with the maintainer |
| 19:56.16 | ice799 | he is basically dead, as far as ltrace is concerned |
| 19:56.26 | Hydroxide | ice799: meaning what? nonresponsive? |
| 19:56.34 | ice799 | he is responsive but doesnt have time to work on ltrace |
| 19:56.39 | tsccof | pallgone: agreed |
| 19:56.45 | ice799 | hasnt merged a patch in over a year, etc etc. |
| 19:57.23 | ice799 | anywayyyyyy my plan right now is to just ghetto rig this rules file to do something that looks like it might work |
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| 19:57.34 | ice799 | then nudge the maintainer to upload the deb |
| 19:57.37 | ice799 | and then forget about it. |
| 19:57.38 | dedmagg0t | what's the difference between cd in ubuntu and debian? |
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| 19:57.50 | Hydroxide | ice799: ah. in that case, he should ask for help or orphan the package - debian has methods for both: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 19:57.55 | tsccof | dedmagg0t: one is good, the other one isn't |
| 19:58.03 | blast_hardcheese | dedmagg0t: I'd be willing to believe that Ubuntu has screwed that up as well |
| 19:58.07 | altimeter | I smell conciet |
| 19:58.11 | xiu | hi, is there anyone bored?? |
| 19:58.32 | altimeter | *conceit |
| 19:58.34 | dedmagg0t | which one is better? cd for ubuntu or debian? |
| 19:58.44 | xiu | debian |
| 19:58.46 | altimeter | ubunut's |
| 19:58.55 | djura-san | o/ ¤¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ |
| 19:59.01 | arcsky | guys cant u help me with this damn python problem... how can i delete all python files on my machine ? |
| 19:59.15 | blast_hardcheese | arcsky: Why would you want to do that? |
| 19:59.18 | ice799 | does Build-Depends in my control.in mean anything? |
| 19:59.20 | ice799 | i mean like |
| 19:59.22 | altimeter | He hates python? |
| 19:59.22 | xiu | apt-get remove python |
| 19:59.27 | ice799 | can i just ignore that or do i need to actually do something? |
| 19:59.27 | xiu | don't do it! |
| 19:59.41 | blast_hardcheese | altimeter: Seems like a good way to break a lot of things that he didn't write that were written in Python |
| 19:59.41 | ice799 | i ask because it seems like i need to conditionally specify that based on what platform i'm on |
| 19:59.44 | ice799 | no clue how to do that. |
| 19:59.52 | simonrvn | altimeter: >> "ubuntu invented apt" >> that's false |
| 19:59.54 | Hydroxide | ice799: I haven't looked at how his package works |
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| 20:00.17 | ice799 | Hydroxide: https://github.com/ice799/ltrace/tree/0.6.0/debian/ |
| 20:00.26 | altimeter | rm -rf *.py |
| 20:00.31 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:00.35 | altimeter | :D |
| 20:00.37 | Hydroxide | ice799: control.in isn't a "standard" part of building a .deb, but there are some debs that have a way to generate the control file |
| 20:00.46 | blast_hardcheese | altimeter: yeah that won't work |
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| 20:00.52 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/P0kG1G32 |
| 20:00.55 | altimeter | prove me wrong |
| 20:00.58 | arcsky | its mess |
| 20:01.02 | altimeter | about rm and apt |
| 20:01.07 | blast_hardcheese | altimeter: No thanks |
| 20:01.08 | simonrvn | and you'd want .pyc anyway... dumbass |
| 20:01.10 | altimeter | :( |
| 20:01.17 | abrotman | 0/2 so far |
| 20:01.19 | blast_hardcheese | Well, he'd want both |
| 20:01.34 | altimeter | Depends on which files he hates |
| 20:01.37 | abrotman | arcsky: why if you `aptitude install python` ? |
| 20:01.40 | stew | simonrvn: no name calling... |
| 20:01.40 | altimeter | I don't want either! |
| 20:01.50 | altimeter | He is the one that wanted it! |
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| 20:01.56 | simonrvn | altimeter: do you have a debain question, or are you here to cause problems? |
| 20:02.02 | simonrvn | debian* |
| 20:02.10 | simonrvn | stew: yes, uncalled for |
| 20:02.14 | altimeter | I wasn't asking a question |
| 20:02.17 | altimeter | I was here to help |
| 20:02.26 | altimeter | until someone started calling me names |
| 20:02.28 | blast_hardcheese | oh jeez |
| 20:02.34 | altimeter | Which would be you |
| 20:02.39 | altimeter | Are you here just to cause problems? |
| 20:02.41 | stew | altimeter: so far you've not been helpful. |
| 20:02.43 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, that's when you became a troll? |
| 20:02.43 | altimeter | Or do you have a question? |
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| 20:02.52 | altimeter | Troll? |
| 20:02.52 | stew | lets plesae just move on and keep things constructive |
| 20:02.56 | altimeter | I'm not calling people dumbasses |
| 20:02.59 | stew | altimeter: drop it |
| 20:03.05 | dedmagg0t | like it's hot |
| 20:03.18 | altimeter | I wasn't the one that brought it up |
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| 20:03.30 | altimeter | Someone should ban this simonrvn guy |
| 20:03.33 | nsadmin | altimeter: don't be a victim... why are you letting others change your mood? |
| 20:03.40 | stew | enough... eveyone |
| 20:03.44 | simonrvn | so far, i've only seen you altimeter say wrong things |
| 20:03.45 | altimeter | Good point |
| 20:03.47 | dedmagg0t | it's okay, altimeter. |
| 20:03.50 | altimeter | I'll be the better man |
| 20:03.51 | Hydroxide | ice799: looks like that file is simply listing the debian architectures which ltrace should be compiled for. most likely that list is out of date. |
| 20:03.53 | altimeter | LOL |
| 20:03.54 | dedmagg0t | stay strong |
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| 20:04.15 | altimeter | simonrvn: You should just leave |
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| 20:04.33 | stew | altimeter: take a 10 minute break please, when you return, please stay on topic, which is helping debian end-users |
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| 20:04.41 | xiu | hey, anyone bored willing to help a poor ignorant newbie to do a first install of debian on a macbook????????? :))))))) |
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| 20:05.00 | gnude | hello, i want to sort mails with amavist, but it dont work |
| 20:05.01 | xiu | whoami |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | remembers when all the cool kids had powerbooks |
| 20:05.04 | jelly-home | xiu: for free????? :))))))))) |
| 20:05.05 | blast_hardcheese | xiu: Have you googled some tutorials? |
| 20:05.05 | simonrvn | apologies to everyone from me, for calling altimeter 'dumbass', it *was* uncalled for; however, it doesn't change the fact that i haven't seen him/her be very constructive either. |
| 20:05.12 | xiu | :))))))))))))))) |
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| 20:05.37 | xiu | jelly-home: jejejeje |
| 20:05.43 | xiu | jelly-home: yeah |
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| 20:05.57 | arcsky | grr i can still not install programs with apt-get |
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| 20:06.01 | jelly-home | xiu: oh, it's going to be someone else then |
| 20:06.04 | Hydroxide | ice799: I need to head afk shortly, but you might be able to get further useful help understanding and porting forward the ltrace debian package, you can try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org aka irc.oftc.net (be patient - it's lower traffic) or debian-mentors@lists.debian.org for help aimed at that kind of purpose |
| 20:06.08 | ice799 | Hydroxide: oh right. i forgot to update that. |
| 20:06.15 | xiu | blast-hardcheese: yeah, I am just confused with so many many Cds, and kinda scared with that EFI stuff |
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| 20:06.24 | ice799 | Hydroxide: ok thanks |
| 20:06.31 | Hydroxide | ice799: good luck! I'm sure debian will want to release squeeze+1 (also known as wheezy) with newer ltrace! |
| 20:06.39 | blast_hardcheese | How does one change the key map of the currently running X server without restarting x? |
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| 20:06.43 | ice799 | wheezy, hah. |
| 20:06.45 | ice799 | funny name. |
| 20:06.50 | Hydroxide | ice799: yeah ... toy story characters, still |
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| 20:07.01 | ice799 | oh, right. i didnt realize that. |
| 20:07.05 | jhutchins_lt2 | blast_hardcheese: kde3.5 had an applet for that. |
| 20:07.07 | Hydroxide | ice799: as has been true for a while, probably ever since we had a DPL who worked for pixar at the time |
| 20:07.25 | Hydroxide | anyway, bye for now! |
| 20:07.30 | Hydroxide | & |
| 20:07.40 | blast_hardcheese | ice799: I've always been amused that Debian Unstable's code release is Sid |
| 20:07.48 | blast_hardcheese | (The evil kid who blew up toys) |
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| 20:07.49 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/n944csv5 anyone know that problem? |
| 20:08.07 | iman | i create a an extra swap sapce in sda1, but in sda1 i have windows - i can't login with windows now - how can i to do to fix this problem? |
| 20:08.24 | blast_hardcheese | Uh oh. |
| 20:08.47 | blast_hardcheese | arcsky: Have you tried aptitude install with no arguments? |
| 20:09.09 | blast_hardcheese | Run that until that stops installing packages for you |
| 20:09.12 | ice799 | blast_hardcheese: oh interesting |
| 20:09.12 | arcsky | blast_hardcheese: yes but i want also that my apt-get works |
| 20:09.15 | ice799 | yeah i didnt realize that either |
| 20:09.21 | ice799 | i never really watched toy story |
| 20:09.33 | ice799 | so i never realized any of this. |
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| 20:09.36 | jhutchins_lt2 | iman: Restore your windows backup or re-install it. |
| 20:09.46 | jelly-home | iman: you ruined parts of you windows filesystem. What jhutchins_lt2 said. |
| 20:09.50 | jhutchins_lt2 | iman: If you have booted the system to linux your windows installation is gone. |
| 20:09.52 | abrotman | arcsky: you've been mixing versions of Debian .. pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:10.25 | blast_hardcheese | ice799: You missed out, great trilogy. Amazing that not only do the sequels _not_ suck, but each is arguably better than the last |
| 20:10.32 | jhutchins_lt2 | iman: If you have _not_ booted into linux since the install, the data may still be there, depending on what you did to "create ... an extra swap space". |
| 20:10.39 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/rfMgsuLw |
| 20:10.42 | iman | jhutchins_lt2, it's not possible to delete swap space from sda1? |
| 20:11.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | iman: Yes, but the windows data is most likely over-written; when you delete the swap there will be nothing there. |
| 20:11.21 | blast_hardcheese | iman: how did you create the swap space? |
| 20:12.46 | iman | blast_hardcheese, mkswap /dev/sda1 then swapon /dev/sda1 |
| 20:13.10 | blast_hardcheese | iman: Yeah, not good. You formatted your Windows partition. |
| 20:13.15 | rozie | iman: so you don't have Windows anymore |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | arcsky: right .. you've been mixing .. you added squeeze to lenny .. you can either try to go back to lenny, or finish the full-upgrade to squeeze, your choice |
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| 20:13.46 | Bushmills | thinks a former windows partition makes a very good swap partition |
| 20:13.55 | iman | it's really terrible |
| 20:14.08 | rozie | iman: why? |
| 20:14.19 | blast_hardcheese | iman: What did you expect? "I want to use another partition as swap space... Hmm, one with data on it, that'll work!" |
| 20:14.19 | robokop | iman: do you have the ntfs-3g package installed |
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| 20:14.22 | rozie | iman: first, turn this swap off |
| 20:14.26 | iman | rozie, i can't use oracle and ipod |
| 20:14.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | iman: If you made changes to your hard drive without having a backup... |
| 20:15.08 | rozie | oracle. ipod. both proprietary and useless |
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| 20:15.45 | blast_hardcheese | rozie: Your opinion, not helpful here :\ |
| 20:15.52 | arcsky | squeeze lastest? |
| 20:15.56 | arcsky | latest* |
| 20:16.05 | abrotman | arcsky: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade .. |
| 20:16.06 | jhutchins_lt2 | rozie: Actually, there are a number of Linux programs that interface well with the ipod. |
| 20:16.11 | rozie | iman: free you ipod (and it will run on Linux) http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 20:16.14 | tp76 | I'm obviously an idiot but why does http://codepad.org/th6j6bI8 iptables script block everything but ping from 10.0.0.0/24? I thought this was supposed to only block everything from 10.0.0.1. |
| 20:16.54 | arcsky | abrotman: ok i will do it |
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| 20:17.04 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Is full-upgrade preferred to dist-upgrade? |
| 20:17.18 | stew | blast_hardcheese: they are the same thing until dist-upgrade is removed |
| 20:17.20 | rozie | blast_hardcheese: it's hard to be helpful if someone makes swap on the other system and his biggest problem is "no oracle. no ipod" |
| 20:17.28 | blast_hardcheese | Gotcha. |
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| 20:17.47 | arcsky | abrotman: do i have to reboot after ? |
| 20:17.50 | rozie | iman: install windows once again. with programs |
| 20:18.07 | blast_hardcheese | rozie: Yeah... that's true. I can only assume "no oracle" means "I lost my oracle database(s)" and "no iPod" means "I lost my music collection" |
| 20:18.10 | zinx | tp76: from that box? because you're blocking /all/ input |
| 20:18.15 | iman | who can install oracle in debian ? |
| 20:18.27 | blast_hardcheese | Oracleman! |
| 20:18.28 | tp76 | zinx: where? |
| 20:18.35 | zinx | tp76: iptables --append INPUT --source 10.0.0.1 --jump REJECT |
| 20:18.38 | tp76 | zinx: iptables --policy INPUT ACCEPT is blocking everything? |
| 20:18.38 | jhutchins | iman: You, with support from oracle. |
| 20:18.42 | abrotman | arcsky: i have no idea which packages are being updated, i'll assume so |
| 20:18.47 | zinx | tp76: you can't receive responses if you are blocking them |
| 20:18.47 | Hydroxide | ice799: still there? I just checked, and apparently there is a debian-upstream@lists.debian.org mailing list which serves as an "Upstream front desk" for upstream people who want to get in touch with Debian |
| 20:18.52 | abrotman | jhutchins: oracle doesn't support Debian |
| 20:19.02 | tp76 | zinx: of course, but adding that line also blocks access from e.g. 10.0.0.2 |
| 20:19.04 | zinx | tp76: erh, what is that box's IP? |
| 20:19.05 | abrotman | iman: i've gotten oracle installed on Debian, but it was *a long* time ago |
| 20:19.06 | jhutchins | abrotman: So I hear. |
| 20:19.07 | tp76 | zinx: which is unexpected. |
| 20:19.12 | nsadmin | iman: you, with that free acct they have where you can download it |
| 20:19.12 | Hydroxide | ice799: and I spoke with one of the people who's responsible for that, and he or someone else will help you sort things out |
| 20:19.21 | iman | jhutchins, you have to know oracle does't has any support in debian distro |
| 20:19.42 | nsadmin | iman: correct. so, you want support? |
| 20:19.46 | jhutchins | iman: I know they have linux drivers available, but since they're not OS software it's not supported by debian. |
| 20:19.51 | rozie | iman: it's not Debian's fault... |
| 20:20.18 | abrotman | doesn't recall the oracle DB itself being that hard to install .. it was the supporting apps that blew up |
| 20:20.29 | tp76 | zinx: to be clear, 10.0.0.3 is the Debian box with that iptables script. I want to deny any access from 10.0.0.1 to it but allow everything else in 10.0.0.0/24. However, running that script not only blocks 10.0.0.1 but also the rest of 10.0.0.0/24 for some reason. |
| 20:20.29 | nsadmin | support -costs-. and once they have you, they're going to continue collecting license fees |
| 20:20.32 | zinx | tp76: do you have other rules in other tables, and/or are you actually using forwarding? |
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| 20:20.46 | abrotman | iman: which version? or any version ? |
| 20:20.53 | tp76 | zinx: one NIC and the rules is as showed in the paste. |
| 20:20.54 | rozie | I guess running oracle without support is bad idea |
| 20:20.57 | iman | ok - then a normal user has to install windows or fedora or redhat or ... to install oracle and there isn't any support on debian for instlall oracle db2 |
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| 20:21.15 | zinx | tp76: iptables -t nat -L && iptables -t mangle -L |
| 20:21.20 | abrotman | IBM would help you install DB2 on Debian, if you pay them enough |
| 20:21.23 | iman | abrotman, 11g |
| 20:21.34 | jhutchins | iman: Right, it's entirely up to oracle to provide oracle support. In fact, they'll sue anybody else who tries. |
| 20:21.40 | nsadmin | iman: I installed oracle-8.1.6 on potato (where the libs were current with that version of oracle) |
| 20:21.41 | abrotman | iman: so what doesn't work? there is an oracle channel also |
| 20:21.53 | abrotman | see #oracle |
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| 20:22.24 | iman | abrotman, you can see #oracle and #oracledb no body answer to question |
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| 20:22.34 | abrotman | no, i cannot, i'm not there |
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| 20:22.52 | tp76 | zinx: http://codepad.org/zIjajhBW |
| 20:23.16 | nsadmin | iman: you -could- consider postgres as a replacement db that is free |
| 20:23.17 | zinx | tp76: no idea :/ |
| 20:23.23 | nsadmin | and you can get paid support |
| 20:23.28 | fake51 | Hi, I'm running into some problems setting up spamassassin on a debian server and am thus looking for help/pointers. I am running spamassassin with spamd - my problem is with where the bayes dbs are stored |
| 20:23.35 | fake51 | I would prefer to have the spamassassin daemon use one set of prefs only, not something per user |
| 20:23.40 | tp76 | zinx: ok, no problem. Thanks for trying. |
| 20:24.09 | zinx | tp76: make sure that rules is getting triggered (via counters) though |
| 20:24.12 | zinx | erh, that rule |
| 20:24.42 | jhutchins | iman: So: Restore your windows partition from the backup you were warned more than once to keep. If you didn't make a backup, re-install windows if you really need it. If you're interested, research and attempt to get your DB connectors and interfaces to run on Linux, possibly directly, possibly using wine. |
| 20:25.13 | tp76 | If I remove that line then the entire subnet have access. Adding that line makes it behave as just described, so obviously that line is doing *something* and apparently more that it should, AFAICT ;-) |
| 20:25.30 | tp76 | s/that it/than it/ |
| 20:25.35 | disinpho | f i delete logfiles like /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/syslog will they reapper on their own or do i need to create them with certain permissions ? |
| 20:25.42 | iman | jhutchins, thank you |
| 20:25.44 | disinpho | if |
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| 20:25.59 | nsadmin | fake51: one man's spam is another man's turkey... why tell your users they can't affect their own mail? |
| 20:26.04 | jhutchins | disinpho: Depends entirely on which program/log it is. |
| 20:26.23 | disinpho | disinpho: its openswan and it seems it stopped logging |
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| 20:26.28 | disinpho | after i deleted the files |
| 20:26.34 | disinpho | jhutchins even |
| 20:26.44 | fake51 | nsadmin, I've got only a few users and they uniformly reject the spam that's incoming |
| 20:26.51 | rozie | tp76: which line? |
| 20:26.56 | fake51 | everything scoring higher than 7 anyway |
| 20:27.06 | jhutchins | disinpho: Look in the logrotate config files to see how it handles them. |
| 20:27.09 | tp76 | rozie: http://codepad.org/th6j6bI8 line 8 |
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| 20:27.21 | jhutchins | disinpho: In the future, consider using logrotate to manage them instead of deleting them directly. |
| 20:27.26 | disinpho | jhutchins: k, where is that |
| 20:27.27 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: Just a heads-up, regarding switching keyboard layouts, setxkbmap does that. I was trying to swap Alt and Logo, my golden command was: setxkbmap -option altwin:swap_lalt_lwin |
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| 20:28.15 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: Glad you found it. I know kde had an applet, presumably 4.x still does, and presumably gnome does (I think I've heard people asking about it). |
| 20:28.24 | rozie | tp76: you want only 10.0.0.0/24 minus 10.0.0.1 have access to this host? |
| 20:28.31 | tp76 | rozie: right |
| 20:28.53 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: I run a fairly lightweight system, the heaviest thing I use is gnome-terminal |
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| 20:29.25 | rozie | set input policy to deny, reject 10.0.0.1, accept 10.0.0.0/24 |
| 20:29.39 | blast_hardcheese | (at least from gnome/kde. Sure some of the other things I run on a semifrequent basis come with more overhead than gnome-terminal, but hopefully you know what I mean |
| 20:29.44 | tp76 | rozie: any reason why the current script does not work? |
| 20:29.51 | tp76 | rozie: but sure, I'll try that, if you think it helps. |
| 20:30.08 | rozie | tp76: you block forward, not input |
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| 20:30.16 | rozie | it's not the same |
| 20:30.40 | rozie | and don't change input policy unless you know exactly what you're doing |
| 20:30.47 | tp76 | rozie: I know that, but should that line not block everything from 10.0.0.1? The default ACCEPT policy should allow everything else, no? |
| 20:30.56 | tp76 | rozie: I'm not changing input policy. |
| 20:31.17 | rozie | or you sit with keyboard and monitor connected to this box |
| 20:31.42 | rozie | tp76: look. there's input. there's forward. and there's output |
| 20:31.53 | rozie | forward is not input |
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| 20:32.03 | rozie | input is not forward |
| 20:32.21 | rozie | tp76: is this router or final host? |
| 20:32.32 | delron | hello, what is the proper way to remove a user from the /etc/group file |
| 20:32.34 | tp76 | rozie: 1 NIC host. |
| 20:32.44 | rozie | tp76: use input then |
| 20:32.58 | disinpho | jhutchins: do you know how ill get the logfiles back? i tried creating them with touch but they didnt update |
| 20:33.31 | jhutchins | disinpho: After you recreate them you'll need to at least -HUP the program, possibly stop and start it. |
| 20:34.16 | rozie | delron: you mean how to delete user from group? |
| 20:34.27 | tp76 | rozie: so, let me know if what I'm about to say is wrong: FORWARD does not matter here as it's only a 1 NIC machine. Making the INPUT policy DROP will drop all packets to this host. So to allow other hosts I have to set up -j ACCEPT rules for them, yes? |
| 20:34.30 | delron | rozie: yes |
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| 20:35.18 | delron | i accidentally did usermod <user> <group> |
| 20:35.35 | delron | ok to just edit ? |
| 20:36.01 | rozie | delron: he need to log again IIRC, but editing is fine |
| 20:36.15 | nsadmin | sure, if you understand exactly what usermod does |
| 20:36.36 | delron | okay rozie, thank you !! |
| 20:36.46 | rozie | tp76: forward is for IP forwarding. routers do this job. number of NICs has nothing to it |
| 20:37.04 | tp76 | rozie: don't you kind of need >= 2 NICs to do routing? ;-) |
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| 20:37.16 | rozie | (you can have one NIC with many IPs, or VLANs or...) |
| 20:37.26 | tp76 | yes, sure. but I don't. |
| 20:37.34 | rozie | you can still route ;) |
| 20:37.51 | delron | nsadmin: yes, i tried to solve a permissions problem incorrectly,,, ;p |
| 20:38.00 | rozie | but access to this box is INPUT |
| 20:38.06 | tp76 | Yes. |
| 20:38.19 | tp76 | So why can't 10.0.0.2 say access this box then with line 8 present? |
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| 20:41.23 | cocoadaemon | olaolaola |
| 20:41.47 | cocoadaemon | arf, sorry for that, my gui was dead |
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| 20:42.17 | cocoadaemon | I need some help with apt-get is this the right place |
| 20:42.30 | tp76 | rozie: what's more is that with this rule the other hosts can ping but no longer ssh into the host but, even more curious, I can telnet to port 22 to the host and get the ssh greeter. Sheesh ... I'm going nuts over this. It should be SO simple. |
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| 20:42.55 | tp76 | Google must be tired of me, too. |
| 20:43.21 | cocoadaemon | basically, I'm setting up a box with debian for the first time and I don't understand why some packages are not showing in apt-cache. Namely "mtr" |
| 20:43.43 | stew | cocoadaemon: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 20:43.57 | makubi | hi, I am using debian lenny and since last kernel update (did it today), it tells me "EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage". I use the kernel from "testing", 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:44.05 | stew | cocoadaemon: if you are running lenny, try "/msg dpkg lenny sources.list" |
| 20:45.18 | cocoadaemon | is this a current trouble or something ? |
| 20:45.21 | makubi | Did I do something wrong or why does this happen? I am only able to start the old kernel at the moment... |
| 20:46.00 | cocoadaemon | http://debian.pastebin.com/DSB1T6b6 |
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| 20:46.49 | jhutchins | ,versions mtr |
| 20:46.51 | judd | Package mtr on i386 -- etch: 0.71-2etch1; etch-security: 0.71-2etch1; lenny: 0.73-1; squeeze: 0.75-2; sid: 0.80-1 |
| 20:47.03 | thewanderer1 | makubi: are you using the "standard" or "targeted" initrd? |
| 20:47.06 | jhutchins | cocoadaemon: mtr might be in contrib. |
| 20:47.31 | jhutchins | cocoadaemon: There are main, contrib, and non-free sections to most debian repositories. |
| 20:47.33 | cocoadaemon | could you elaborate on contrib |
| 20:47.40 | cocoadaemon | ok |
| 20:47.42 | jhutchins | !contrib |
| 20:47.42 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 20:48.02 | cocoadaemon | alright |
| 20:48.21 | makubi | thewanderer1: sorry, but what do you mean by "targeted"? I think the standard one. I just tried to set up ssh-luks-unlock (again), because of a reinstall |
| 20:48.21 | cocoadaemon | so I should add a contrib repository to my list, that's it? |
| 20:48.38 | jhutchins | cocoadaemon: I can't guarantee it, but I think so. |
| 20:48.42 | makubi | thewanderer1: But I removed that script for now (wanted to know, if it's the kernel-update or the script) |
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| 20:48.56 | thewanderer1 | makubi: when you install Debian, you choose whether to use a customized initramfs (small) or the generic one (large) |
| 20:48.57 | jhutchins | cocoadaemon: It depends on what software you want to have available. |
| 20:49.00 | cocoadaemon | how do I know which contrib server is optimal |
| 20:49.09 | jhutchins | !non-free |
| 20:49.09 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:49.10 | thewanderer1 | and the installer does mention that the big initramfs does have problems with several bootloaders |
| 20:49.22 | cocoadaemon | contrib should fit |
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| 20:50.07 | stew | cocoadaemon: no, contrib is not what you need. you need an actual main mirror, the only one you have is cd1 |
| 20:50.20 | makubi | thewanderer1: It really does? Did I miss something? Just remeber anything about "large-memory" |
| 20:50.21 | stew | cocoadaemon: which means you only get packages on the first (of many) cds. see /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 20:50.32 | cocoadaemon | thanks a lot stew |
| 20:51.04 | thewanderer1 | makubi: try enabling the large memory option in LILO (should be commented out in config file) - make sure you know how to recover the system if it does not boot, too. |
| 20:51.10 | cocoadaemon | what would be the optimal main mirror for a french |
| 20:51.15 | makubi | thewanderer1: It IS enabled :-) |
| 20:51.16 | cocoadaemon | is there a way to know |
| 20:51.24 | cocoadaemon | a command line way |
| 20:51.24 | thewanderer1 | tried disabling it, makubi? |
| 20:51.34 | makubi | thewanderer1: Not yet, it worked before... |
| 20:51.45 | makubi | thewanderer1: right before upgrading 2.6.32-5 |
| 20:51.48 | thewanderer1 | cocoadaemon: you mean http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian contrib ? |
| 20:51.57 | thewanderer1 | err, lenny contrib, or so |
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| 20:52.06 | cocoadaemon | thanks a lot |
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| 20:52.14 | stew | cocoadaemon: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian main |
| 20:52.29 | stew | cocoadaemon: you want main for sure |
| 20:52.31 | thewanderer1 | aw, I need to read attentively :) |
| 20:53.07 | thewanderer1 | makubi: you could try disabling bigmem... also, is there a specific reason you're using LILO instead of GRUB? |
| 20:53.12 | cocoadaemon | < tried "deb" as a command line ;) |
| 20:54.17 | karthick87 | How to set the encoding and terminal encoding values to UTF-8? |
| 20:54.19 | makubi | thewanderer1: Yes, I really would like to use grub instead. When installing debian, I tried to use grub, but there was always an error. I got here 3x2TB-SATA-HDD RAID1 (boot) + RAID5 (crypt, lvm) |
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| 20:54.40 | makubi | thewanderer1: grub didn't like that and lilo recogniced /dev/md0 |
| 20:54.49 | thewanderer1 | makubi: tried GRUB2? |
| 20:54.54 | makubi | thewanderer1: I would REALLY like to use grub |
| 20:54.57 | cocoadaemon | ok so _now_ I'm forced to learn vim |
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| 20:55.28 | makubi | thewanderer1: well, some months ago, when installing it the first time, but then it didn't recognice the GPD disks (I think that was the problem) |
| 20:55.31 | thewanderer1 | cocoadaemon: you can always set EDITOR=nano and draw bewildered looks from your geek pals |
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| 20:56.09 | thewanderer1 | makubi: there is `grub-efi` |
| 20:56.21 | makubi | thewanderer1: But I really would appreciate your help for doing this :-) |
| 20:56.38 | cocoadaemon | thx thewanderer1 |
| 20:56.40 | thewanderer1 | I've never run GRUB on RAID5 |
| 20:56.50 | makubi | thewanderer1: /boot is RAID1 |
| 20:57.03 | makubi | 3x256MB ==> RAID1 |
| 20:57.14 | thewanderer1 | you could just install GRUB2 from the package I mentioned (having read the description of course) and see what it detects on its own |
| 20:57.22 | jelly-home | makubi: soft raid?\ |
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| 20:57.28 | thewanderer1 | make a backup of all LILO configs and so on |
| 20:57.29 | makubi | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:57.55 | thewanderer1 | well, GRUB2 can boot from RAID1 |
| 20:57.59 | jelly-home | makubi: which metadata version for the device that has /boot on? |
| 20:58.07 | makubi | thewanderer1: OK :-) that's right: http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnEFI ? |
| 20:58.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: depends on the md metadata version used. |
| 20:58.36 | cocoadaemon | mmm |
| 20:58.39 | makubi | jelly-home: metadata version, sorry, but what do you mean? |
| 20:58.44 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: only old 0.9 works safely |
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| 20:58.52 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: you mean mdraid or LVM? |
| 20:58.59 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I mean md. |
| 20:59.05 | rethus | did debian lenny delete the /tmp-folder automaticly in any way? |
| 20:59.09 | thewanderer1 | hm... |
| 20:59.22 | cocoadaemon | if you want to do su operations when writing a file with nano, is there a simple way |
| 20:59.22 | rethus | maybe on restart? |
| 20:59.24 | jelly-home | makubi: hwo did you create the md device for /boot? |
| 20:59.27 | cocoadaemon | or should i open administrator terminal |
| 20:59.29 | thewanderer1 | since GRUB2 uses it read-only, you could always pull the data from 1 disk partition and hope it doesn't break right between reboots |
| 20:59.39 | makubi | jelly-home: using the debian-installer :S |
| 21:00.31 | thewanderer1 | cocoadaemon: just launch nano as root |
| 21:00.40 | cocoadaemon | so sudo nano file |
| 21:00.51 | thewanderer1 | could work if you've got sudo set up |
| 21:00.52 | cocoadaemon | no way once the file is opened |
| 21:00.57 | thewanderer1 | yep |
| 21:01.00 | cocoadaemon | ok |
| 21:01.08 | thewanderer1 | you can save the file somewhere else and copy it as root... |
| 21:01.09 | cocoadaemon | deb doesn't come with sudo ? |
| 21:01.15 | jelly-home | makubi: which debian release? |
| 21:01.30 | cocoadaemon | used to OsX |
| 21:01.30 | thewanderer1 | cocoadaemon: yes, contrary to Ubuntu |
| 21:01.38 | makubi | jelly-home: lenny, I think 5.0.6 |
| 21:01.39 | cocoadaemon | glad to hear that |
| 21:01.51 | thewanderer1 | I mean sudo might be installed by default, but not configured, unless you tell the installer to do that |
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| 21:02.03 | makubi | jelly-home: mdadm.conf shows ARRAY-entries, but no metadata... |
| 21:02.12 | stew | cocoadaemon: you can install it after the install is complete. its only installed by the installer if you select a "root-less" install or something |
| 21:02.39 | jelly-home | makubi: oh, good. to verify, can you pastebin the output of say mdadm --examine /dev/sda1 (use a member of md for /boot)? |
| 21:02.45 | iman | i can see my ipod icon in desktop but i dont know where it's mount - how can i found it ? |
| 21:02.50 | makubi | jelly-home: of course, on sec. |
| 21:02.53 | cocoadaemon | apparently it's present |
| 21:03.03 | rethus | did debian lenny delete the /tmp-folder automaticly in any way? |
| 21:03.04 | cocoadaemon | but i'm not in sudoers list |
| 21:03.05 | cocoadaemon | bag |
| 21:03.06 | rethus | maybe on reboot |
| 21:03.08 | cocoadaemon | bah |
| 21:03.18 | jelly-home | makubi: if it says Version : 0.90.00, grub2 is likely to work |
| 21:03.40 | makubi | jelly-home: http://nopaste.info/536e1d186d.html |
| 21:03.47 | makubi | jelly-home: well, it does :-) |
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| 21:04.09 | thewanderer1 | iman: type `mount` in a console and you shall see |
| 21:04.15 | makubi | But I remember some problems when trying it during installation using grub-pc too |
| 21:04.44 | makubi | jelly-home: I think because auf GPT (GUID Partition Table)-disks |
| 21:04.47 | jelly-home | might need a newer grub-pc than what's in lenny |
| 21:05.00 | jelly-home | ,versions grub-pc |
| 21:05.02 | judd | Package grub-pc on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98+20100804-8; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-8; experimental: 1.99~20101126-1 |
| 21:05.09 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 21:05.23 | blast_hardcheese | What does the "O" in BPO stand for? |
| 21:05.33 | jelly-home | blast_hardcheese: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:05.37 | cocoadaemon | stew: I think I'm missing some info but I should be able to fix it |
| 21:05.57 | iman | thewanderer1, there isn't any ipod http://dpaste.com/281240/ |
| 21:06.04 | makubi | jelly-home: :-) so you think, I should try using testing? I just edited apt/preferences, I can use -t testing grub-pc ... |
| 21:06.11 | blast_hardcheese | jelly-home: Thanks; What does the "O" in BPO stand for? |
| 21:06.12 | thewanderer1 | cocoadaemon: yes, you'll need to learn a language called EBNF to write a sudoers :P |
| 21:06.21 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: backpOrts. |
| 21:06.26 | blast_hardcheese | huh. |
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| 21:06.31 | cocoadaemon | arf |
| 21:06.34 | blast_hardcheese | I see |
| 21:06.35 | jelly-home | makubi: that wouldn't end up well, you'd get other new packages |
| 21:06.49 | cocoadaemon | it's more like : I need deb and deb-src |
| 21:06.58 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: or is it backports.Org?!?! |
| 21:07.08 | cocoadaemon | lenny/volatile lenny/updates : what do these mean |
| 21:07.14 | makubi | jelly-home: I even got linux-image-2.6.32... One sec... |
| 21:07.19 | sec_goat | I went and tried to install the latest version of WINE from this page http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny, Method 2. And while it seems to have installed, I can no longer choose to "open with wine" nor can I find it in the program list under applications > system tools, any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 21:07.26 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: would that make a huge difference? backports are under debian.org now... |
| 21:07.32 | makubi | jelly-home: I have no problem using some testing-packages on this server |
| 21:07.57 | jelly-home | makubi: you don't want to use libc6 from testing, that way lies madness |
| 21:08.13 | makubi | jelly-home: :-( |
| 21:08.18 | thewanderer1 | points at 300 packages waiting to be upgraded to Squeeze |
| 21:08.42 | jelly-home | makubi: you could try the slightly-newer grub-pc from lenny-backports, first |
| 21:08.53 | thewanderer1 | linux-image-2.6.32 can be obtained from backports, too |
| 21:09.02 | rethus | Fatal Error on IRC-Chat: Did debian erase the content of /tmp-folder automaticly in any way... maybe on reboot ? |
| 21:09.18 | thewanderer1 | iman: why would you think that the iPod device would be labeled as "ipod"? :P |
| 21:09.27 | jelly-home | rethus: yes, don't expect /tmp/ to keep its contents over reboots |
| 21:09.40 | jelly-home | rethus: there's a reason why it's called that way! |
| 21:09.45 | iman | thewanderer1, so, where is it? |
| 21:09.57 | rethus | jelly-home: thanks for this answer. |
| 21:09.58 | makubi | jelly-home: Sorry, but doesn't "backport" mean go back? I am confused right now... |
| 21:09.59 | thewanderer1 | iman: I don't know, it's your hardware :P |
| 21:10.13 | iman | thewanderer1, i know it's my hardware |
| 21:10.20 | thewanderer1 | iman: you can usually inspect that by looking in /dev/disk/by-id/ and seeing where various links point to |
| 21:10.35 | thewanderer1 | the vendor ID will usually provide a hint |
| 21:10.36 | jelly-home | makubi: no. for an explanation of terminology, /msg dpkg backport |
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| 21:11.14 | makubi | jelly-home: Ok, so I just need to edit my apt-preferences and add lenny-backports, then install -t lenny-backports grub-pc ? |
| 21:11.19 | thewanderer1 | that is, unless the iPod holds a Seagate disk and you have 4 similar ones in your PC and one connected through USB adaptor :P |
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| 21:11.51 | jelly-home | makubi: you can skip the preferences, and don't forget to do an update |
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| 21:12.17 | thewanderer1 | makubi: grub-pc is for MS-DOS partition tables, mind you |
| 21:12.26 | jelly-home | is it now? |
| 21:12.35 | makubi | :o |
| 21:12.38 | thewanderer1 | what does PC stand for, after all? |
| 21:12.53 | thewanderer1 | PC/BIOS partition tables... for EFI you want grub-efi :P |
| 21:12.56 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: what does /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/part_gpt.mod stand for? |
| 21:13.20 | thewanderer1 | that is, unless you have a GPT partition table on a non-EFI hardware... |
| 21:13.42 | thewanderer1 | I somehow got the notion they were related to each other |
| 21:13.46 | makubi | thewanderer1: so... fdisk -l /dev/sda1 tells me that there's no valid partition table |
| 21:13.57 | makubi | sorry |
| 21:13.58 | makubi | -.- |
| 21:14.06 | makubi | of course |
| 21:14.08 | jelly-home | makubi: you mean, f[...] yeah. |
| 21:14.09 | makubi | fdisk /dev/sda1 |
| 21:14.10 | makubi | -.- |
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| 21:14.33 | thewanderer1 | makubi: yes, cause you are looking at a partition, you ought to look at the disk, so /dev/sda1 |
| 21:14.36 | thewanderer1 | er /dev/sda |
| 21:14.40 | cocoadaemon | ok great thanks folks |
| 21:14.40 | miasma | thewanderer1: yea, GPT is possible on a non-EFI hardware. in fact, that's what ubuntu made for me with a 2 TB disk |
| 21:14.41 | makubi | yeah, fdisk -l /dev/sda says GPT, /dev/sda1 --> System EFI GPT |
| 21:14.49 | thewanderer1 | miasma: oh, ok |
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| 21:15.00 | miasma | you need to use gdisk or gparted to access GPT partition table |
| 21:15.23 | makubi | miasma: thank, but that's not the prob I think :-) |
| 21:15.39 | makubi | jelly-home, thewanderer1: So I think grub efi is right for me? |
| 21:15.50 | thewanderer1 | er, do you have EFI, actually? |
| 21:15.59 | thewanderer1 | cause I'm not sure now... |
| 21:16.15 | jelly-home | makubi: you would know if you had EFI. Therefore you don't. :-) |
| 21:16.24 | thewanderer1 | alright, sorry. go for grub-pc |
| 21:16.34 | makubi | fdisk -l tells me it is EFI GPT but I don't think so |
| 21:17.14 | jelly-home | makubi: if your machine has a BIOS setup thingy, use grub-pc. |
| 21:17.14 | thewanderer1 | well, EFI GPT is the full name I think |
| 21:17.39 | cafuego | makubi: is that macine a mac? |
| 21:17.39 | makubi | ok, yes, I still got a BIOS, no EFI here :-) |
| 21:17.41 | thewanderer1 | the same way that Sun Java Desktop is actually GNOME (written in C) and contains no Java :) |
| 21:17.47 | makubi | cafuego: OMFG NO WHO DOES THAT? |
| 21:17.57 | jelly-home | Mac owners. |
| 21:18.02 | makubi | cafuego: I think you just used googled. |
| 21:18.07 | thewanderer1 | you mean people owned by macs |
| 21:18.12 | makubi | :> |
| 21:18.19 | cafuego | half the kernel kackers in the world |
| 21:18.30 | cafuego | um, hackers |
| 21:19.05 | makubi | However, no, I do not use a mac |
| 21:19.20 | cafuego | well then you won't have a EFI box |
| 21:19.23 | makubi | So, bottom line, I should use grub-pc from lenny-backports :-) |
| 21:19.31 | thewanderer1 | probably |
| 21:19.38 | thewanderer1 | and make a backup of lilo config |
| 21:19.40 | thewanderer1 | and of MBR too :P |
| 21:19.44 | cafuego | lilo? |
| 21:19.51 | jelly-home | makubi: you can try it, but it's not that much newer than the lenny version and might still fail |
| 21:20.24 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I was under the impression that makubi's machine doesn't boot at present anyway? |
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| 21:20.34 | thewanderer1 | it does, but with the older kernel |
| 21:20.39 | jelly-home | oh |
| 21:20.40 | makubi | jelly-home: I just wonder, why, suddenly, after one upgrade, it does not work anymore, but I think it is worth a try to use grub |
| 21:20.50 | thewanderer1 | and what I'm leading him into might result in a temporary unbootability... |
| 21:20.59 | makubi | it DOES |
| 21:21.03 | jelly-home | makubi: you might make it completely unbootable ;-) |
| 21:21.04 | makubi | but only 2.6.26 |
| 21:21.15 | thewanderer1 | makubi: LILO is not optimised for huge initramfs images |
| 21:21.21 | makubi | Got an debian-install on USB :> |
| 21:21.21 | thewanderer1 | and I've also seen that problem... |
| 21:21.37 | thewanderer1 | I settled for GRUB2 in the end |
| 21:21.50 | makubi | thewanderer1: but what do I use large-memory for then? |
| 21:21.59 | thewanderer1 | feeling comfortably? |
| 21:22.13 | makubi | So I wonder why this problem occures :-) |
| 21:22.27 | makubi | But ok, I understand, it even then can occur |
| 21:22.28 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea what purpose it has ever served besides providing a visual feedback to the user :P |
| 21:22.48 | makubi | Well :> I think I need to try grub |
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| 21:24.44 | makubi | BUT if grub does not install, I think it would tell me |
| 21:24.45 | makubi | right? |
| 21:24.54 | makubi | So before rebooting I should know if it worked or not |
| 21:25.05 | cafuego | makubi: there's a difference between installing grub and installing grub. |
| 21:25.08 | jelly-home | riight. |
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| 21:25.31 | makubi | sorry, grub-pc |
| 21:25.32 | makubi | :P |
| 21:25.59 | makubi | well ok, I just can remeber installing gentoo for the first time and rebooting 100 of times to the live-cd |
| 21:26.23 | cafuego | Quality Distro™ |
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| 21:26.41 | makubi | do I need to remove lilo first? |
| 21:26.49 | cafuego | makubi: no |
| 21:27.03 | makubi | cafuego: just do not do /sbin/lilo is fine? |
| 21:27.15 | thewanderer1 | makubi: those packages will probably conflict I think |
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| 21:27.26 | cafuego | makubi: You can install the grub package, then run grub-install to write a new boot sector with grub in it. |
| 21:27.28 | makubi | ok, but I think debian will tell me if they do |
| 21:27.38 | makubi | ok :-) |
| 21:28.03 | makubi | well, no package-collision |
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| 21:28.25 | Arrgh` | Hey, is there a dpkg equivalent to rpm's --dump/--queryformat? |
| 21:28.44 | stew | Arrgh`: what does --dump and --queryformat do? |
| 21:29.02 | Arrgh` | --dump prints out all the file metadata for a package |
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| 21:29.24 | stew | Arrgh`: what kind of metadata? |
| 21:29.45 | Arrgh` | --queryformat lets you specify what gets printed when you do a general query, i.e. if you say "rpm -q glibc" by default you get %{NAME}-%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE} but you can say rpm -q glibc --queryformat "The name is %{NAME}" |
| 21:29.51 | Arrgh` | I want it all |
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| 21:30.11 | Arrgh` | Names, dates, sizes, ideally hashes... |
| 21:30.25 | makubi | jelly-home: grub-install /dev/md0 ? |
| 21:30.40 | stew | Arrgh`: aptitude search -F "the name is %p" '~nlibc6' |
| 21:30.56 | makubi | I just got errors when using the "graphical" installer and selected all 3 devices (sda,sdb,sdc) |
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| 21:31.12 | makubi | But should I install grub to md0 ? |
| 21:31.17 | stew | Arrgh`: i'm not sure there is an equivalent to --dump |
| 21:31.38 | Arrgh` | Hmm, I found this: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/dpkg-query.1.html |
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| 21:32.14 | cafuego | makubi: "I just got errors" it not helpful information. |
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| 21:32.28 | jelly-home | makubi: no, install it to sda, then sdb, then sdc |
| 21:32.31 | makubi | cafuego: sorry, grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible! |
| 21:32.37 | makubi | grub-setup: error: Embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume. |
| 21:33.08 | stew | Arrgh`: mine is looking at the apt database instead of the dpkg database, so mine is "everything available" and dpkg-query is "everything known to dpkg" which is something like "every package ever installed" |
| 21:33.41 | makubi | jelly-home: well, I got these errors when trying it |
| 21:34.39 | jelly-home | makubi: that is unfortunate; I have no idea how to work around it |
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| 21:35.21 | ubiquitous1980 | am I to understand that dependency based boot in squeeze is 1) designed to speed up the boot as does upstart in ubuntu and that 2) it is provided by insserv? |
| 21:35.24 | makubi | jelly-home: OK :-S But thank you very much |
| 21:35.59 | makubi | jelly-home: Do I need this maybe? http://grub.enbug.org/BIOS_Boot_Partition |
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| 21:36.10 | BenBE | Hi, anyone an idea how to query the remaining battery lifetime from the console (no GUI)? |
| 21:36.31 | stew | BenBE: try acpi -b |
| 21:36.34 | thewanderer1 | makubi: to me it seems yes |
| 21:36.57 | makubi | thewanderer1: Do I need to reinstall the system then? |
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| 21:37.15 | thewanderer1 | not reinstall, merely repartition |
| 21:37.25 | thewanderer1 | a reinstall is hardly ever required :P |
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| 21:37.54 | makubi | well, I think I just need to set up /dev/sdX1 again...? |
| 21:38.01 | Arrgh` | Hmm, seems dpkg-query isn't quite what I want, at least I don't think I can get all the info I want in one command |
| 21:38.04 | thewanderer1 | so copy over the files from /boot, resize it to make some space in the beginning of the partition table, and put some GRUB space there |
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| 21:38.44 | makubi | thewanderer1: resize it? you mean "activate" bios_grub, right? |
| 21:39.24 | thewanderer1 | makubi: the wiki says: "Simply create a new partition; make it at least 31 kiB (preferably more, like 64 kiB or 128 kiB)" |
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| 21:39.38 | thewanderer1 | and before that it is stated that the partition should begin the partition table |
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| 21:40.03 | thewanderer1 | "Make sure the partition isn't being used for another purpose (e.g. a filesystem)." would tell it all :P |
| 21:40.30 | makubi | thewanderer1: well is there a better way than removing the partition and creating two new ones? |
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| 21:40.45 | makubi | I never used parted before... |
| 21:40.46 | thewanderer1 | er, no, not one that would save you any trouble |
| 21:40.59 | thewanderer1 | just copy over the files and copy them back later |
| 21:41.07 | Arrgh` | Does dpkg keep the md5sums of individual files, or just of the package as a whole? |
| 21:41.10 | thewanderer1 | and there are some friendly GUIs like qtparted or sth like that |
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| 21:41.27 | thewanderer1 | Arrgh`: it does keep md5sums as well as sha1sums of files I think - have a look at debsums |
| 21:41.27 | makubi | thewanderer1: there's no gui on that server :-) |
| 21:41.45 | thewanderer1 | makubi: aw, right. so get a man |
| 21:41.57 | thewanderer1 | like, real `man` :P |
| 21:41.57 | Arrgh` | Damn, not installed by default |
| 21:42.01 | makubi | :D |
| 21:42.12 | BenBE | Thx. |
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| 21:42.18 | stew | Arrgh`: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums |
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| 21:42.42 | makubi | so, I will have sda1 (grub), sda2 (data), sda3 (boot) ? |
| 21:43.02 | Arrgh` | Awesome, thanks! |
| 21:43.24 | thewanderer1 | makubi: well, is your first partition the data partition? |
| 21:43.29 | makubi | nope |
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| 21:43.33 | makubi | first is boot |
| 21:43.36 | makubi | second is data |
| 21:43.41 | thewanderer1 | so you'll have grub, boot, data |
| 21:43.46 | makubi | ok |
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| 21:43.52 | REx07 | hi2all! |
| 21:43.53 | makubi | so sda2 will rename to sda3? |
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| 21:44.01 | makubi | sorry, I am just wondering about that |
| 21:44.19 | thewanderer1 | hmm... about this I have no idea |
| 21:44.20 | REx07 | i build xinelib-1.2 and have a error "Requested 'libavcodec >= 51.68.0' but version of libavcodec is 51.58.0" |
| 21:44.30 | thewanderer1 | Linux has been strange about naming devices lately |
| 21:44.40 | makubi | thewanderer1: ok, do you think it is a good idea doing this while the system is running? :> |
| 21:44.43 | REx07 | how can update this package in stable ? |
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| 21:45.05 | thewanderer1 | makubi: I'd first back up the respective partion (device dump), the partition table, and umount it |
| 21:45.33 | makubi | ok... I just cp -a it over... I think this should be enough... |
| 21:45.49 | REx07 | i add testing repo, but apt-get -t testing libavcodec-dev have no result |
| 21:46.22 | stew | REx07: you should not mix testing packages into a stable install without backporting anyway |
| 21:46.27 | jhutchins | ,versions libavcodec |
| 21:46.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libavcodec' was found in i386. |
| 21:46.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins: there be numbers after the library name |
| 21:46.53 | jelly-home | ,versions libavcodec51 |
| 21:46.55 | judd | Package libavcodec51 on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny2 |
| 21:46.57 | stew | REx07: what version of libavcodec-dev is installed now? |
| 21:46.59 | jelly-home | ,versions libavcodec52 |
| 21:47.02 | judd | Package libavcodec52 on i386 -- sid: 4:0.5.2-6; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; experimental: 4:0.6.1-2; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1-0.1; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.0 |
| 21:47.21 | thewanderer1 | 51.58.0 is some alien then :) |
| 21:47.22 | REx07 | stew, 3:20080706-0.3lenny2 |
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| 21:47.31 | tvm | is 2.6.36 kernel compilation fail on lenny a known issue? |
| 21:47.44 | stew | REx07: and what are you compiling? |
| 21:47.53 | jhutchins | tvm: No, a binary is provided, clearly indicating it builds. |
| 21:47.54 | thewanderer1 | tvm: I think so, at least it failed for me on squeeze lately |
| 21:47.56 | thewanderer1 | or was it lenny |
| 21:48.09 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:48.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:48.12 | makubi | thewanderer1: well... so I need to add another raid-device? |
| 21:48.14 | thewanderer1 | you need kbuild or kernel-package from testing or sid, I don't remember |
| 21:48.18 | REx07 | i compile xinelib-1.2 from hq |
| 21:48.19 | stew | jhutchins: provided by who? |
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| 21:48.27 | jhutchins | experimental |
| 21:48.31 | tvm | hrmh. |
| 21:48.38 | stew | jhutchins: experimental buildds don't run lenny |
| 21:48.39 | kendrick | does anyone know how to install OpenOffice.org 3.2.0 locally (e.g., in my /home folder), alongside the 3.0 version that's installed system-wide? (this happens to be on Ubuntu 9.04) |
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| 21:48.45 | stew | jhutchins: i mean build against lenny, that is |
| 21:48.47 | kendrick | i'm not getting much love from "dpkg -i --root" |
| 21:48.50 | thewanderer1 | tvm: get kernel-package from sid |
| 21:48.54 | tvm | i tried to compile 2.6.37 and 2.6.36 with varying kernel configs, failing. |
| 21:48.57 | tvm | okay, will do that. |
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| 21:49.05 | tvm | and try once more :/ |
| 21:49.15 | thewanderer1 | I also have no idea how it plays with udev |
| 21:49.19 | jhutchins | tvm: We might be able to provide useful information if you said HOW it failed. |
| 21:49.30 | jelly-home | "badly" |
| 21:49.48 | thewanderer1 | makubi: if you're making RAID out of GUID partitions then yes |
| 21:50.10 | jhutchins | From my experience most kernels _can_ be made to compile on most platforms, it's just a question of holding your tongue right. |
| 21:50.11 | REx07 | what should i do, to get libavcodec >= 51.68.0? |
| 21:50.18 | REx07 | in lenny |
| 21:50.18 | dutchfish | tvm, i have succesfully build on squeeze, 2.6.36 and running it atm, the abi does not match lenny and you need gcc from squeeze |
| 21:50.25 | jelly-home | funny how kernel people were able to build .36 |
| 21:50.27 | makubi | thewanderer1: /boot uses RAID1, but I don't know if it is intelligent to do that with bios_grub... |
| 21:50.37 | jelly-home | ,versions linux-image-2.6.36-trunk-686 |
| 21:50.38 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6.36-trunk-686 on i386 -- experimental: 2.6.36-1~experimental.1 |
| 21:50.39 | thewanderer1 | yes jhutchins, but patching all makefiles and rule files would be a tedious task |
| 21:51.08 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: So run a binary. |
| 21:51.16 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Kernels aren't easy, they're not mean to be. |
| 21:51.22 | stew | jelly-home: were they able to build it on lenny? |
| 21:51.42 | tvm | jhutchins: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=55557 |
| 21:51.45 | tvm | had the same error. |
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| 21:51.59 | jelly-home | stew: they don't do that. |
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| 21:52.11 | stew | jelly-home: then why is it "funny"? |
| 21:52.14 | thewanderer1 | tvm: seen that one. get kernel-package and the build env from squeeze or sid |
| 21:52.41 | tvm | alright, thanks. |
| 21:52.55 | jelly-home | stew: someone said their build failed on squeeze as well |
| 21:53.00 | stew | REx07: backport libavcodec-dev: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:53.21 | dutchfish | jelly-home: tested it on 3 dif arches in squeeze, no problems at all |
| 21:53.23 | thewanderer1 | I did, but I wasn't trying too hard before I set up a sid build env |
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| 21:53.54 | tvm | i just hope that getting stuff from squeeze won't break anything. |
| 21:54.06 | thewanderer1 | tvm: well, it will... :P |
| 21:54.10 | tvm | maybe i'll just go squeeze with everything. |
| 21:54.12 | thewanderer1 | better afford a chroot |
| 21:54.13 | jhutchins | tvm: Yeah, it will. |
| 21:54.13 | tvm | ;| |
| 21:54.14 | REx07 | in backports not exist new version of libavcodec |
| 21:54.20 | thewanderer1 | makubi: find a way around... |
| 21:54.34 | dutchfish | tvm: you cant run 2.6.36 o lenny udev, abi among others |
| 21:54.37 | stew | REx07: yeah, that's why you should see /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 21:54.45 | makubi | thewanderer1: soo... I need to remove RAID1 for boot, then resize partition on all 3 devices and add raid functionality again? |
| 21:54.56 | thewanderer1 | makubi: I guess so |
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| 21:55.04 | makubi | thewanderer1: ok, thx |
| 21:55.30 | tvm | i'm fine with stable, i use this notebook at work and i really need stability. |
| 21:55.42 | tvm | i also need a wifi support that is not available in stable kernel. |
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| 21:56.13 | thewanderer1 | tvm: tried backports? |
| 21:56.23 | thewanderer1 | tvm: perhaps they have udev, too... or am I dreaming? |
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| 21:56.45 | tvm | thewanderer1: i don't know, looked into them a bit, but never really used them. |
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| 21:57.06 | tvm | last time i used them was with woody - to install backported kernel_image |
| 21:57.19 | thewanderer1 | I'm on a desktop-server-router machine right now and running lenny/squeeze/sid/experimental now so I can't really tell :) |
| 21:57.24 | tvm | but back then i was able to compile latest 2.4 kernel without any problems :/ |
| 21:57.55 | tvm | on a completely stock system. oh well, it will never be the same again. |
| 21:57.57 | jhutchins | tvm: mixing stable + squeeze != stable, dependable system. |
| 21:58.10 | jhutchins | tvm: Which wifi chipset? |
| 21:58.15 | tvm | yeah, that's what i want to avoid. |
| 21:59.32 | tvm | jhutchins: some brand new intel - 4239 |
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| 22:00.12 | thewanderer1 | you *could* try to backport udev and the associated stuff |
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| 22:00.23 | thewanderer1 | if it's not in backports already of course... |
| 22:00.57 | thewanderer1 | but then, I use squeeze for daily work and find it just right on the desktop/laptop |
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| 22:01.17 | jhutchins | !iwlwifi |
| 22:01.17 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:01.24 | reber | ,googleearth |
| 22:01.42 | jhutchins | tvm: iwlwifi should handle the 4239. |
| 22:01.49 | tvm | hrmh/ |
| 22:01.49 | stew | thewanderer1: udev build-deps on libc6-dev (>= 2.9) |
| 22:03.07 | ChmEarl | the 2.6.32-28 xen dom0 kernel won't shutdown for me. Can I roll this back? |
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| 22:03.15 | ChmEarl | in squeeze |
| 22:03.47 | thewanderer1 | ChmEarl: well, you can revert it to a state of shutdownness by cutting the power... |
| 22:03.58 | jhutchins | ChmEarl: Just grab your previous snapshot. |
| 22:04.36 | ChmEarl | thewanderer1, yes I do that - but I'm working away from terminal |
| 22:04.54 | thewanderer1 | you mean the kernel won't shutdown, or just the userspace? |
| 22:05.14 | ChmEarl | thewanderer1, reboot halts |
| 22:05.19 | thewanderer1 | the kernel not willing to shutdown asks for a silver bullet... |
| 22:05.24 | thewanderer1 | halts at what point? |
| 22:05.36 | ChmEarl | will now restart |
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| 22:05.44 | thewanderer1 | aww |
| 22:05.49 | thewanderer1 | sounds like ACPI |
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| 22:06.32 | dutchfish | ChmEarl: have you tried restarting acpi before rebooting/shutting it down? |
| 22:06.49 | ChmEarl | dutchfish, next thing I will try - good idea |
| 22:07.09 | dutchfish | ChmEarl: there was an update of acpi also recently .... |
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| 22:07.50 | ChmEarl | dutchfish, so perhaps rolling back kernel wouldn't help |
| 22:08.02 | dutchfish | ChmEarl: at this point its unclear |
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| 22:08.18 | ChmEarl | grabbing new acpi now |
| 22:08.30 | dutchfish | ChmEarl: check daemon logs and kernel logs to find the most likely candidate |
| 22:08.50 | dutchfish | ChmEarl: Xen can be picky about acpi |
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| 22:09.18 | dutchfish | ChmEarl: last resort is shutting acpi down, then try to reboot |
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| 22:09.52 | ChmEarl | dutchfish, ty , seems I have enought to get this working |
| 22:10.02 | dutchfish | ChmEarl: gl |
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| 22:10.50 | makubi | thewanderer1: you think I should add bios_grub to a RAID1? |
| 22:10.55 | Bushmills | ,teamspeak-server |
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| 22:11.09 | makubi | thewanderer1: this ain't a good idea, right? |
| 22:11.12 | thewanderer1 | makubi: I don't know if GRUB will be able to recognize it - perhaps just leave it as it is |
| 22:11.20 | makubi | thewanderer1: ok |
| 22:12.04 | thewanderer1 | that's what the HW raid hype is all about :P |
| 22:12.21 | makubi | thewanderer1: yeah right... |
| 22:12.47 | makubi | thewanderer1: you think that's right? http://nopaste.info/3d3864fd91.html |
| 22:13.11 | makubi | thewanderer1: well, part3 will get ext3 too |
| 22:13.24 | thewanderer1 | at least I can't see anything suspicious about it |
| 22:13.37 | makubi | good :-) |
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| 22:15.58 | dutchfish | hi, what is the preferred debian way of pointing apt to a local repo on disk: file:/ or apt-cdrom -d ? |
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| 22:20.27 | shane4ubuntu | I take it if I download the netinstall iso, and use unetbootin to put it on USB it still doesn't like it, couldn't find the cdrom. |
| 22:20.56 | kendrick | just sets up a chroot (his first!) Cya! |
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| 22:21.39 | stew | shane4ubuntu: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 22:22.02 | makubi | thewanderer1: omfg, it looks good |
| 22:22.05 | makubi | :> |
| 22:22.05 | shane4ubuntu | thanks stew |
| 22:23.54 | makubi | thewanderer1: http://nopaste.info/4cd89afab3.html If I install grub to other hdds, do I need to edit something? I think if I do grub-install /dev/sdb, sdb should be (hd0), right? |
| 22:24.08 | makubi | thewanderer1: in case one hdd crashes |
| 22:26.05 | thewanderer1 | grub-install uses the mappings from /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 22:27.07 | thewanderer1 | I think I need to get some sleep now |
| 22:27.29 | makubi | thewanderer1: ok, thank you very much, if you wait 2 mins. I can tell you if it worked |
| 22:27.30 | thewanderer1 | let's hope someone else is willing to handle this GRUBness tonight :D |
| 22:27.32 | makubi | if you wanna know :> |
| 22:27.52 | thewanderer1 | I'd rather sleep, I'm not a curious person... |
| 22:28.01 | makubi | thewanderer1: XD ok :-P |
| 22:28.14 | thewanderer1 | so see you some other time with a working GRUB2 :P |
| 22:28.32 | makubi | thewanderer1: of course, thanks again, good night |
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| 22:58.09 | ChmEarl | rolling back to 2.6.32-27 fixed acpi (reboot halt error) trouble. I found the Deb via google |
| 22:59.00 | sark_acer | Hello guys. I need some help... I've got an Acer Aspire One, and I'm trying to disable the horizontal and vertical edge scrolling on the trackpad. I've added lines to the xorg.conf to no avail. I found something about fdi files so I added lines in there to disable it too. Looking at the xorg log file, it does load the synaptics driver, but it just ignores any parameters I set. |
| 22:59.02 | ChmEarl | the affected kernel was linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 22:59.11 | ChmEarl | version 2.6.32-28 |
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| 22:59.21 | sark_acer | I'm running Debian Squeeze |
| 22:59.39 | sark_acer | (it didn't work under Lenny either though) |
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| 23:02.46 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: Amarok used to do that. |
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| 23:03.58 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: I've seen Amarok crashing once |
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| 23:45.11 | simplechat | Hey guys, just wondering if there is a betting pool as to the release date of squeeze? |
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| 23:46.33 | themill | simplechat: /msg dpkg squeeze bet |
| 23:49.47 | simplechat | cool |
| 23:50.08 | simplechat | themill, I know it was frozen in august. Is it likely to be out anytime soon? |
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| 23:50.11 | syslq | Debian |
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| 23:50.38 | themill | simplechat: probably |
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| 23:51.16 | syslq | Will debian embrace wayland too |
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| 23:54.24 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is there a way to get a server with no X and no one logged in to automatically mount removable media under /media/VOLNAME, just like a desktop does? |
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